asciilifeform: jurov: because ~we don't have a workable scheme~ for pogo
asciilifeform: punkman: we already know that it is a monstrous perversion that has approximately same relation to bitcoin as american 'chocolate' does to chocolate
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: machine with no keyboard, or display, or presumption of literate owner
asciilifeform: additional hw could be acceptable if we find somebody selling usb clocks, battery included, for a few bux
asciilifeform: for folks who are seriously working on the problem: i presently suspect that the solution will resemble some mix of 'lamport clock' and 'the firing squad problem'
asciilifeform: letting nodes set own clocks based on what they can see on the net is rather like the train pushers.
asciilifeform: i will leave this with one more analogy: why did marching armies use drummers, instead of having each man push the next fellow, like in a crowded train ?☟︎
asciilifeform: because this is a truly dire problem, it cannot be waved away.
asciilifeform: i shall be doing the equivalent, this week
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu find the time to visit 'arkakao' and load up on the highest octane sugar-bomb you can! and try to conceive of a solution to this mega-conundrum
asciilifeform: because the only alternative is retardation
asciilifeform: but it will have to come out of somebody's arse
asciilifeform: i do not at present know of a non-retarded solution
asciilifeform: in the worst case, converting them to sybils in the service of the enemy.
asciilifeform: in that extreme dysfunction could actually frag the net
asciilifeform: the behaviour of these boxes ~actually matters~
asciilifeform: try to remember that we are talking about deploying potentially thousands of these
asciilifeform: whereas if you rely on blocks, rather than nodes, you are permitting miners to induce clockdriftforks!
asciilifeform: this is a potentially catastrophic situation
asciilifeform: (depending on how the clock sync is done)
asciilifeform: drift by more than 2h and you're not only fucked, but will mislead others☟︎
asciilifeform: the other thing about the whole 'let's piss on the bitcoin protocol and let blockchain move the clock' thing is that it does ~NOT~ guarantee the required accuracy!
asciilifeform: (...and then someone has to set the fucking clocks and wrap them back in the crate? who will it be? you? me? mircea_popescu?)
asciilifeform: but again, having this done would not only multiply the cost of the unit but add many times its cost in logistics to wherever this is done and then again to the destination.
asciilifeform: the point which i am trying - and apparently failing - to make, is that the bitcoin protocol as we know it requires time to be an invariant, by which blocks are judged
asciilifeform: with no display, keyboard, or setup ritual
asciilifeform: the thing is supposed to be solidly automatic.
asciilifeform: decimation: once we are in the position of trying to 'identify bullshit' we're lost in the sea.
asciilifeform: i can feed you easy blocks from the past and move the average wherever i want
