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asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: well, and e.g. howard hughes built the 'spruice goose', world's largest flying tub, also. i was speaking of mass products.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: sovok didn't have the magick proximity of the folx who know how to make furniture, and the old-growth timber, aha
BingoBoingo: three distinct spaces to choose from, your wedding venue, event space, or reception hall will be everything you envisioned and more."
BingoBoingo: There used to be a place in my hometown that specialized in bespoke woodwork. Pipe organs, aircraft, and cabinetry. Now: https://archive.is/flYlo "Celebrate your special event in style when you choose Olde Wicks Factory Special Event Center in Highland, IL. Our venues are located in a 100-year-old building, formerly the Pipe Organ Company, and feature stunning stained glass, exposed brick, chandeliers, and beautiful outdoor space. With
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'ikea' is mega-bestselling here. but, as you might expect, they sell such things as they can get away with to the locals, who can't tell actual wood from glue-an'-dust
mircea_popescu: lego for adults. well, "adults", like the woman in http://trilema.com/2017/the-goodbye-girl/
diana_coman: and what, ussr didn't have timber??
mircea_popescu: early ikea, had modules with fold-in table, dozen+ types otherwise
diana_coman: asciilifeform: know that but not by the name of "finnish wall" at all
asciilifeform: aha!! these
mircea_popescu: sure, had a whole room decked in that
asciilifeform: btw another things asciilifeform's ancestors had in sovok that asciilifeform can't buy for any amt of money in gringolandia -- the famous 'finnish wall'(tm) -- y'know (or maybe not know?) this thing, cabinets, glass-doored bookshelves, that fill a wall
BingoBoingo: Uruguay's are firewood and pulp grade seeing as the forests in Uruguay with few exceptions were put in due to the lack of ground sourced hydrocarbons
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Because they are good at paper and Uruguay has artificial forests to pulp
mircea_popescu: cuz they know about paper mills
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: why would finns, whose ~sole export is timber, build a paper mill in BingoBoingostan?!
diana_coman: spyked: the "broken" vdiff is possibly the issue with "exploding" because of using the initial version of keccak that stores each bit on a full octet-space?
BingoBoingo: Bigger anger may be that they'll export rather than making corrugated kraft board for their arts and crafts time
mircea_popescu: the "adults" come out of them will surely do the fucking same just as soon as they're 20% or so by social mass
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: UPM, Finish firm. THis will be their second here.
mircea_popescu: if kids in school can hate it / try and bully kids who learn in school
BingoBoingo: And that it'll eat the eucalyptus trees that don't belong here anyways
mircea_popescu: i expect this'll be the standard in socialism.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They hate that the new paper mill will *EMPLOY* people
mircea_popescu: "trabajo" si, trabajo no
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what do the orcs have against paper ?
BingoBoingo: 2. Last night police stopped an anti-papermill march that had gone hooligan with the rubber bullets
mircea_popescu: did they start feeling up poor chicks on the side of road ?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: square links only work if have the htt... prefix
BingoBoingo: 1. Yesterday the cops put themselves in front of a farmers march. The folks with tractors and horses prevailed without anything notable byeond the confrontation.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lemme guess, they ticketed a motoroller
BingoBoingo: So local news. In the past 24 hours the local cops have been involved in 2 incidents which are very oppressive by Uruguay standards and unremarkable in most other parts of the world.
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L98RF213Kc << the martian radio service grants wishes
mircea_popescu: so you mean like, the trololo guy ?! corina chiriac ?!
feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y06/09f-hunchentoot-genesis.html << The Tar Pit -- Hunchentoot genesis
diana_coman: o.O asciilifeform's sound card tunes back in space and time to sovok circa 1984 ??
asciilifeform cold, as a stone, to 'rock' and the other digestive enzymes of the octopus.
asciilifeform even as a child, was allergic, so prolly last 1 who should be asked. and in fact if could buy a martian radio that somehow tunes, back in space and time, in sovok circa 1984 -- ~would~ .
mircea_popescu: piece in short says that even the ridoinculous ufo-religions of the ustards / futurology produced things (eg, apple. or wikipedia)
mircea_popescu: ah. "rock music", right ? the culty group of the 90s ?
asciilifeform: the linked piece. i dun know the cultural refs.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 06:50:37 mircea_popescu: (this, also, before we get into "Hunchentoot talks with its front-end or with the client over TCP/IP sockets and optionally uses multiprocessing to handle several requests at the same time. Therefore, it cannot be implemented completely in portable Common Lisp. It currently works with LispWorks and all Lisps which are supported by the compatibility layers usocket and Bordeaux Threads." discussions.)
asciilifeform: apropos : http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934034 << this gripe is factual -- cl standard was written by 'tower of babel' and specifically excluded unix knobs. so all ~usable pc lisps in fact have nonstandard knobs for threads, sockets, etc. iirc this was detailed in prev. threads.
mircea_popescu: important concept of the cult!!!
mircea_popescu: byantines, successful, us about to become unsuccessful (ie, its fundamental unsuccessfulability preparing to become manifest)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, useful here is used to denote the situation where it ~actually forces environmental change around itself~. in this sense, apache is successful, but linux is unsuccessful.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 06:37:14 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934000 << i've yet to see lisp actually do anything useful, so this'd be a quindecennial first.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934022 << can't resist the bait -- neither the 3y of phf's logger, nor deedbot, 'useful' ? ( or does 'see' require that proggy is actually published ? or wat. )
asciilifeform: lobbes: i.e. what did it do for those 2h instead of reconnecting ? ( or didja have to cycle it manually..? )
lobbes: I will dig later tonight / this weekend. Will see what I can figure out
lobbes: ^ definitely some funkiness with the !e uptime reporting too (ty diana for pointing that out in #o)
ericbot: lobbes: time since my last reconnect : 1d 7h 30m
lobbes: may make that a patch in logotron... eventually!
lobbesbot: Logged on 2019-09-06 05:55:02: *** Quits: ericbot (~ericbot@208.70.251.10) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 01:34:11 lobbes: I think, in general, it makes sense for me to chew through the logotron "todo" list right now. I would eventually like to get a php version of the reader.py written for purposes of comparison.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1933983 - fwiw this sounds like a good plan to me.
spyked: in any case, I'll publish the hunchentoot genesis today, as promised. /me bbl again
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 04:29:58 spyked: hat's the usefulness in the end if I'm not gonna do anything productive with it?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 06:47:33 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934003 << i don't know if didactic's the word, rather evaluatory. we want to know what exact dragons lay there, in the general, and you declared yourself interested in lisp, so it seemed a very natural fit ; then you self-selected the task and i didnt have any objectiosn, for these reasons.\
spyked: hm, rereading http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934017 , I'm thinking I should really write a summary/post-mortem post. but more generally, I need to organize all the comments so far (and whatever's to come) and see what to make of this.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 06:57:23 mircea_popescu: i really can't atm tell the difference between gcc-in-php and hutchentoote, myself. but i am a sluggish intellect, takes me a while.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934029 <-- not sure thetarpit's current code is more than "php scripting in Lisp" either, it was written in my CL-noob years. the webpage generation bits are pretty nifty tho, on account of cl-who.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 07:01:51 mircea_popescu: (as an aside, leaving be the situation where this is entirely obscure arcana, top results on "hutchentoot" searches include 2015 tmsr logs, consider http://compgroups.net/comp.lang.lisp/scripting-in-cl-please-comment/239090 as a fine illustration, the moneyshot being macro index,pager <F7> " <enter-command> set pipe_decode=yes<enter> <enter-command> set my_wait_key=\$wait_key wait_key=no<enter> <pipe-message>/h
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934030 <-- hm. who's that? can't seem to relate it to the subj. in any way (other than the post mentioning CL)
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-05 18:08:22 mircea_popescu: 2. re lisp, i do believe finishing the hutch story is very useful.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-05 18:09:18 mircea_popescu: but imo it's folly to try and marry 1 to 2 because of what's, ultimately, merely a name coincidence.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 04:29:51 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933935 <-- not entirely. at this point, http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933934 is in the phase where "let's use these pieces we've reviewed to do some useful X", where X can be blogotron comments, logotron frontend, etc. so say I illustrate Hunchentoot through these applications; are they to be just for didactic purpose? and if yes, then w
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 06:52:48 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934000 << i've yet to see lisp actually do anything useful, so this'd be a quindecennial first.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934022 <-- hm, that's a very strong point re. this decision whether to continue or not. well, #trilema has some IRC bots powered by Lisp, so that's something.
spyked: other than that, I guess you meant "recent comments"? recent posts are on the main page; and as for title-urls, http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log-search?q=from%3Afeedbot+hunchentoot&chan=trilema works from what I see
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 06:51:30 mircea_popescu: if you never put the work in to evaluate hutch, there'd never have been any basis for [][conclusions] << my comment re "this isn't lisp" should have gone in there, but i can't fucking find it because on your blog has no recent posts nor in the logsearch because thetarp hutch return nothing becuase your blog doesn't have title-urls.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934020 <-- there's no "conclusion" post, but yeah, these oughta go somewhere. the closest thing to a conclusion is http://thetarpit.org/posts/y06/09d-hunchentoot-vib.html#selection-970.0-970.7
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 06:31:19 mircea_popescu: so technically, you'd have to clean up your articles, so they're actual articles before they can be put in the db ?
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934014 <-- more along the lines of: convert from thetarpit-format to mp-wp-format so that paragraphs, photos etc. display properly; it's not a big deal, but I expect there are a few unknowns that might require manually walking the article list. which isn't *that* big, but still.
mircea_popescu: .hyber.org/privbind.yaws][the YAWS documentation] has a comprehensive writeup on the topic." << the link is something else, its spurious whie really bolsters the useless postdoc angle.
mircea_popescu: also in the lulz, "Hunchentoot does not come with code to help with running it on a privileged port (i.e. port 80 or 443) on Unix-like operating systems. Modern Unix-like systems have specific, non-portable ways to allow non-root users to listen to privileged ports, so including such functionality in Hunchentoot was considered unnecessary. Please refer to online resources for help. At the time of this writing, [http://yaws
mircea_popescu: fancy that, useful lisp!
mircea_popescu: "Hunchentoot is (or was) for example used by <a href="http://quickhoney.com/">QuickHoney</a>, <a href="http://www.city-farming.de/">City Farming</a>, <a href="http://heikestephan.de/">Heike Stephan</a>." << forgot to put that lulz in the log somehow.
mircea_popescu: (this, also, before we get into "Hunchentoot talks with its front-end or with the client over TCP/IP sockets and optionally uses multiprocessing to handle several requests at the same time. Therefore, it cannot be implemented completely in portable Common Lisp. It currently works with LispWorks and all Lisps which are supported by the compatibility layers usocket and Bordeaux Threads." discussions.)
mircea_popescu: no, cl isn't the lang the fucktard knows best -- that's transparently excel/vb whatever. but whatevs.
mircea_popescu: i expect it's needless to say moar.)
mircea_popescu: (as an aside, leaving be the situation where this is entirely obscure arcana, top results on "hutchentoot" searches include 2015 tmsr logs, consider http://compgroups.net/comp.lang.lisp/scripting-in-cl-please-comment/239090 as a fine illustration, the moneyshot being macro index,pager <F7> " <enter-command> set pipe_decode=yes<enter> <enter-command> set my_wait_key=\$wait_key wait_key=no<enter> <pipe-message>/home/tpapp/so
mircea_popescu: i really can't atm tell the difference between gcc-in-php and hutchentoote, myself. but i am a sluggish intellect, takes me a while.
mircea_popescu: i have no strong feeling either way, it's your toy as far as i'm concerned. if you judge it's worth pushing forward by all means, let's see what comes of it, and if you judge this is just a waste of time, by all means, it can stand like that, "spyked went on lisp expedition cca 2019, upon consideration it didn't seem worth bothering with"
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 04:37:38 spyked: anyway, I guess the q is in fact whether there's any use to this entire lisp-webstuff exercise. if not, I can go back to wp and work on other stuff, there's no shortage of that.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934009 << i don't know yet ; superficially hutchentoot seems like it's python-in-lisp as a stotting exercise by the sort of sparsely-beareded / unemployable postdoc students that do this sort of dumb shit because they can (or can't get laid).
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-05 18:08:22 mircea_popescu: 2. re lisp, i do believe finishing the hutch story is very useful.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-05 18:09:18 mircea_popescu: but imo it's folly to try and marry 1 to 2 because of what's, ultimately, merely a name coincidence.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 04:29:51 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933935 <-- not entirely. at this point, http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933934 is in the phase where "let's use these pieces we've reviewed to do some useful X", where X can be blogotron comments, logotron frontend, etc. so say I illustrate Hunchentoot through these applications; are they to be just for didactic purpose? and if yes, then w
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934000 << i've yet to see lisp actually do anything useful, so this'd be a quindecennial first.
mircea_popescu: if you never put the work in to evaluate hutch, there'd never have been any basis for [][conclusions] << my comment re "this isn't lisp" should have gone in there, but i can't fucking find it because on your blog has no recent posts nor in the logsearch because thetarp hutch return nothing becuase your blog doesn't have title-urls.
mircea_popescu: consider the illustrative (is it didactic, nwo that's illustrative ?) case of alf's py logotron : NOW that he's done it, i can say things like depends what you count ; before, i couldn't very well have.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 04:29:58 spyked: hat's the usefulness in the end if I'm not gonna do anything productive with it?
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934003 << i don't know if didactic's the word, rather evaluatory. we want to know what exact dragons lay there, in the general, and you declared yourself interested in lisp, so it seemed a very natural fit ; then you self-selected the task and i didnt have any objectiosn, for these reasons.\
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-05 18:04:58 mircea_popescu: spyked, "the painstaking labour involved in moving every post to MP-WP (plus fixing the links) would take a yet-to-be-determined amount of time" << why is this to be a pain ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 04:25:25 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933930 <-- eh, when I first wrote the blog, I chose "markdown" as markup, so now would have to write some extra code to take the generated html content and add it to mp-wp db; problem is, there's the manual step of verifying that the resulting content looks okay, and e.g. the photoblog posts use thetarpit-specific css.
mircea_popescu: so technically, you'd have to clean up your articles, so they're actual articles before they can be put in the db ?
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1933996 << for all the whining re php, one thing mp-wp most definitely does right is that it separates the article from the mark-up
spyked: in other news, I'll be outta town this weekend and for a few days next week. should have a buncha photos to post afterwards
spyked is going to mull on this for the next week or so, meanwhile will prioritize vpatches he has in the queue