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diana_coman: as to *what* caused the reconnect, I can't say I know exactly: the bot's log duly reports a "listen socket error, disconnecting", followed by the expected reconnect but I can't see / don't know where to look, possibly for anything more informative.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 03:06:30 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934178 - did not test but apparently bot tested it so I'll have at least one data point to look at when I get to it.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934492 - asciilifeform , as far as I see, there's a bug at setting the time_last_conn at a reconnection, hence the wrong result of uptime; irc() method is missing the "global time_last_conn" when it sets the value so the set is lost.
trinque: > Purges pastes older than a week every twenty four hours.
trinque: I'd have to stress test the thing to say, but response time over here is about a half second. ignoring parallelism 172800 req per day (assuming pastes expire after 24hr)
mircea_popescu: previous set had 5 digits. i was thinking of saving the typing... but are you saying 2mn too narrow, ennumerable ?
trinque: sure, that works. I just reached for base64 as per last thread
mircea_popescu: could it just be alphanum tho. no point doing _ etc
trinque: thinking of turning this into a little wp plugin. useful?
mircea_popescu: vos ? da fuck is this familiarity.
BingoBoingo: "En este sentido, dijo que los militares no tienen la obligación de saber sobre qué personas rigen órdenes de detención, por lo que puede ser entendible que no se haya detenido al momento del trámite, "la que sí tiene conocimiento de esto es la Policía"."
BingoBoingo: And in the lulziest of local lulz https://www.montevideo.com.uy/Noticias/Un-militar-profugo-condenado-por-Plan-Condor-hizo-un-tramite-para-cobrar-jubilacion-uc729212
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/09/all-seal-team-7-leaders-purged-by-us-navy-brass/ << Qntra -- All SEAL Team 7 Leaders Purged By US Navy Brass
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 00:26:53 lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934071 << about to head to bed, but tomorrow morning I'm gonna do some deep log spelunking and investigating and report findings in a blog post.
lobbes: first though, I'm still log spelunking re: bot reconnect. Namely what is taking me so long here is that I went to check apache access log (to rule out a ddos) only to discover... it ain't logging anymore! I suspect I nuked a crucial module somewhere when I was trying to get the proxy stuff working
lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934609 << ftr I am seriously considering bidding on this, but first I want to be clear on if I am understanding correctly all portions of the ask. I'll bake a post tonight breaking this down / asking smart questions for clarity
mircea_popescu: exact same formalisms, it was like a sorta joke / toast, in the akkadia of 3000 years ago, "oh, son of god herpy derp"
mircea_popescu: the only problem with this very specifically identycal jesus of the pre-xtian sectarian disturbances in the assyrian empire is that... well ? guy lived 8th century BEFORE the supposed appearance of... the son of
mircea_popescu: the name, however, translates as "my faith is in the son of the eshara". that'd be ashur, of course.
mircea_popescu: that's a name, in cuneiform, of a sort of akkadian lenin in the assyrian empire. he butchered the previous royal fambly and greatly improved the efficiency of the bureaucracy.
snsabot: Logged on 2016-04-01 12:23:55 asciilifeform: is on the spin cycle of the day's stake, when the barbs come out
mircea_popescu: i'd have expected that be "speaking of stakes"
asciilifeform: i recall when 1st time picked up a 30kg sledge hammer. 'uhh how do people work with this.' after day or 2 of driving in stakes, felt entirely ordinary.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: since you state it, I'm sure it's precisely that for you; and fwiw I'm sure you are not the only one in this either.
mircea_popescu: nothing wrong with that!
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i can't speak for erryone, but found that ~whole of education consists in swallowing 'not likes' and ~then~ thinking. rather than how kid comes from cradle, 'i dun like, won't think'
diana_coman: obviously and proven the "don't like" is not good so ...
asciilifeform: if tomorrow mircea_popescu orders 'boot me up pc in asm into sumthing i can send packets from' it'll be in a forth.
mircea_popescu: BY EMPLOYING LOOKUP TABLES
diana_coman: asciilifeform: but exactly because of http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934910 I just can't get the idea of "don't like" when asked re forth
mircea_popescu could probably write a better router than whatever the fuck that was in bash
asciilifeform: possibly i did an epicly inept job in this thread. but was trying to say 'i dun like forth -- but may be condemned to it by The Essences(tm)(r)'
mircea_popescu: still doesn't make chuck moore's putative 1990s vlsi-er anything other than php. because what did it do, 15 cells ? o noes, centimetre process ? HARDWORK
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i have no objection to making the future tmsr iron run forth, as things stnad right now.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 01:04:05 mircea_popescu: there's further implications ; but, to fit the point back to narrow interest : saying the tools are already there is not even stupid, it's entirely besides the point. the only effectual question is, "has the lowest possible P in theory been actually realised in practice".
mircea_popescu: "yes, mutha, and PAINFUL!" "oh we dont' talk about that in this fantasyworld"
asciilifeform: as mircea_popescu knows full well, nuffin is 'simple' on pc. but there's degrees of bulk.
asciilifeform: sometimes the 'dun like' item is the only working tool known, to the point that if you try to redesign it from scratch, will end up with ~same thing but moar inept.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 14:01:44 diana_coman: so why only this limited use?
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934889 << for the obvious fucking reason! rocker goes to mountain, "oh, i wish i could live here" "really bitch ? and what about tp ?" "oh, i'd use leaves!!!" after a week of wiping ass on pine cones... ready to grumbingly but grudgingly hit the first walmart
mircea_popescu: he last did this back when symbolics was a thing.
asciilifeform: what i wish i could do, is to catch moor and hang him upside down and connect to 220v, and get him to confess how he got vlsi fabbed w/out the 'mandatory' winblows mask liquishit.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 11:18:52 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933632 << i'ma move from emacs to 21st c. lispm. or, to grave. tertium non datur.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 14:00:31 diana_coman: asciilifeform: what's your history with forth anyway because now I'm totally confused: are you actually using it? for what? why not? or uhm, how come it popped up now but not before?
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934887 << it pops up periodically when he's feeling melancholy, "oh, this spherical battleship that submerges & floats, coulda etc". but when pushed, not lives in because not gone to pekin and also http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933662 etc
asciilifeform: ( may in fact be the only non-winblows vlsi system currently in use , even. )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i aint about to try to persuade mircea_popescu to buy 1e6 'greenarray' or moor's cad etc. but i'm ~satisfied that it ~exists~ and worx as described, atm.
mircea_popescu: but that is also a matter of heuristic
mircea_popescu: retrospecitvely we were never right to date when extended such credit. every single of doznes of cases turned out to be... not what "presumably"
asciilifeform: diana_coman: primarily -- the intrinsic difficulty of reading. reader is stuck parsing out the ast using bare hands. it is possible to make the work easier, and i tried e.g. here . but remains painful for most folx.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: since I can't say I know *what* you like, that part is not very clear to me: what is it that you don't like about it?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: asciilifeform is originally a lisp crackpot, rather than forth crackpot. forth is arguably 'polar opposite' , there is no gc, or 'raw ast' syntax, in fact no syntax in the familiar sense ( since you've studied 'peh' this summary oughta make sense. ) so best summary would be, i dun ~like~ forth, simply keep coming back to it because it appears to be the only known solution point in the domain space of 'most physically-com
diana_coman: so why only this limited use?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: my only current use is 'peh', which is based on it. in previous times used hand-sewn forths in embedded boxen.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: what's your history with forth anyway because now I'm totally confused: are you actually using it? for what? why not? or uhm, how come it popped up now but not before?
asciilifeform: iirc 1 of the meanwhile vanished folx ( mats? ) actually bought a 'greenarrays' board. hey mats, are you alive ? what happened to this?
asciilifeform: ^ item appears to boot as own os, on pc.
asciilifeform: poor chuck moor, apparently too sclerotic to link from own www...
asciilifeform: hmm apparently i was wrong re 'okad'. appears to be a circa-2012 snapshot. nao if i had the free hands to try an' run !
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 13:01:50 mircea_popescu: isp will throw fit if you're even within 1% of 1% of this theoretical maximum, rated capacity.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 13:01:29 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934821 << not irl. large packet flow is, you'll perhaps discover, one of the most "oversold" ie fraudulently misrepresented items in nature. much like the city comes put faucets into yur house but you can't run them 24/7, except ^8.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934857 << why do you suppose piz pipe, 200Mb/s costs ~1k$/mo , while in timis 1Gb/s advertised at 10 $ ? the industrial pipe can, and in fact does (lately) run at ~100% capacity for weeks on end. which is not to say that there aint scam providers which will try to throttle a customer to less than he paid. simply, piz did not suffer the misfortune of sitting under any such.
asciilifeform: fwiw i suspect the fella would be here if he weren't 90 y.o.
asciilifeform: as described'. but cannot put the src in mircea_popescu's nose to prove point.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: half of this is fair cut. moor does in fact sell chip ( and incidentally comes, unlike ~errything else on market, with full datashit ). but afaik the full src of the cad system was not published, to date. ( it's how he eats. ) so comes down to matter of heuristic, 'does exist, or is charlatan ?' based on d00d's work to date, and the published material re 'greenarray' product on sale, i'm inclined to say 'exists, worx
mircea_popescu: doesn't strike me as that unreasonable a standard ; but if it is -- fuck reason, i'm married to this standard before and beyond any fucking reason (not to mention -- before any sort of reason inkled in young mp's skull). so if something between this standard and reason
mircea_popescu: why the fuck's this not connecting ?
mircea_popescu: which is why i'm famous for being tyhe guy that sent the irs packing / tore fetlife a new one. cuz ~it is actually there~. concretely.
mircea_popescu: you understand this ? http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institutions-a-guide/ contains ~THE ACTUAL EMAISL~. with the dumb bitches' name. and http://trilema.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-i/ inclkudes ~the actual filings~. not "a summary", not some fucking whisperings.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 07:22:48 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934319 << not fucking famously. let me show you how famously works, in reality. "mircea popescu had, famously, naked bitches at his beck and call". that's ~famous~.
mircea_popescu: again -- http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934656 INCLUDES THE ITEMS. not a story of the items. ~THE~ items.
mircea_popescu: i mean the 3k lines of forth ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, umm... that's a ~description~.
asciilifeform still not fully quaffed tea, brb
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 12:13:38 asciilifeform: the orig q was re line rate of nic. but even the modest piz pipe , 200Mbit/s , is good for ~50k 512B packets / sec , when otherwise unloaded.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934823 << again, not irl. and i don't even advise trying this out
mircea_popescu: isp will throw fit if you're even within 1% of 1% of this theoretical maximum, rated capacity.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 12:09:30 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934686 << yer figure is unrealistically pessimistic, 1k * 512b == 512kB/s . there indeed is overhead in nic etc, but udp packets can be received at very close to rated capacity of pipe.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934821 << not irl. large packet flow is, you'll perhaps discover, one of the most "oversold" ie fraudulently misrepresented items in nature. much like the city comes put faucets into yur house but you can't run them 24/7, except ^8.
mircea_popescu: i tried chuckmoore.com/famous-3k-lines-forth-making-complete-vlsi-plant, found not. taking suggestions for improved method.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 12:05:12 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934661 >> e.g. http://www.greenarraychips.com/ . or the fact that his book was translated and printed in run of 1e6 even in sovok. but i expect 'not famous enuff' to mircea_popescu , cuz aint in his personal kit ? or wat.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934815 << cuz where is the allegedly famous 3k lines of forth making complete vlsi plant.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 12:01:57 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934647 << thing has install base that dwarfs apache. ( it's in the bootloader of erry single sgi, sun, even crapple box sold to date; in 1e6 pieces of embedded equip., and whole buncha 'unsexy' irons, from mains transformers, burglar alarms, etc., possibly even in yer mercedes. )
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934808 << was not discussing forth ; was discussing the actual item you applied the "famously" to, namely "complete vlsi production plant in iirc 3k loc of forth".
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 11:59:34 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934642 << if it's to live, gotta cement it into trinque's collection, yes
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 11:57:51 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934607 << interesting idea, but plox to give detailed spec, i suspect no one can bake based on the 3ln given
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934798 << how about i answer concrete qs ? that's pretty much all i know how to say atm.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 11:55:06 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934490 << also relevantly, if ben is down w/out being rebootable, mod6 needs a new co-chair in tbf
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934794 << honestly i think the whole foundaton thing needs restructuring ; current structure failed repeated treboot attempts and does not look even theoretically rebootable.
mircea_popescu: nfi what anyone;d do with a lang that requires a literal meter of shelf for the dict ; nor do i know many people who ever read twenty english dictionaries. but there it is nevertheless.
mircea_popescu: https://oi.uchicago.edu//research/publications/assyrian-dictionary-oriental-institute-university-chicago-cad << in other ways to spend lots of money, how about 20 volumes worth of dictionaries of proto-hebrew
asciilifeform: ( 'peh', fwiw, is NOT a standard-compliant forth, i committed quite deliberately war crimes against the classical standard in order to make the parser as simple as physically possible, to make all operators weigh 1 or 2 chars )
billymg: though perhaps some of 2 can be done, then 3, then back to more 2
billymg: without going into too much detail my current mp-wp roadmap is: 1) finish writing tests, 2) mass delete cruft/unnecessary "features", 3) formalize a republican theme (or a few themes)
asciilifeform: re forth -- it's cemented in ANSI X3.215 (1994--current) (1st in 1980!), ISO/IEC 15145 (1997--current) . rather like ada, dead tree standard. and quite unlike e.g. python, php. ( and unlike cl , is actually possible to program in the lang as specified in the standard. )
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 04:37:22 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933694 <-- ftr, I'm pretty sure that the same coat can be applied to mp-wp without much effort. so if e.g. billymg is interested, I can provide him with everything he needs; tho the blog is online already, not especially difficult to see how the webpage is structured.
billymg: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1933994 << completely true, and i agree with asciilifeform, i'm a fan of The Tar Pit's theme (i'm also partial to trinque's theme)
lobbes is about to begin second pass of log...
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 11:09:14 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934490 << stood up my own paster here, will be using from now on http://paste.deedbot.org/
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934772 << neato, trinque . plz consider to genesis the thing, so can have multiple redundant pastetrons, as with logger