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asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it is, to use my technical term, a spittoon.
BingoBoingo: I suggest this not as a solution to the OpenSSL turdation and version hell, but as a way to identify which parts of OpenSSL turdify unforgivably
asciilifeform: aha so now we have a local fork of openssl ?
BingoBoingo naive, insufficiently initiated here, but how does 0.5.3.1 build with libressl portable 2.0 or later on a linux?
asciilifeform: but we're talking about a b0rk3d -build-
asciilifeform: but there is a Release !
asciilifeform: not same as a naked main() in c
asciilifeform: because ada spec -includes a scheduler-
BingoBoingo was going to pick up an UltraSparc box this month, but the Chimp in Chief has forced a revision of all my budget priorities
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> (assuming ordinary gcc still builds there!) << It seems they use a... modified GCC
decimation: I made a bug report on macports recently, was told to fix myself
BingoBoingo: If I want to revert to Nigbuntu or a linux, Sure I can get an Ada.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: OpenBSD does not have a working ada in its ports that I could discover
BingoBoingo: I had to replace the wifi card in this machine at a cost of $25, but that was not a dealbreaker. It's the other weird that prevents wholesale recommendation. It to asciilifeform's disappoint lacks an Ada
decimation: but that's a function of their focus
BingoBoingo: OpenBSD has been nice to me, but weird compared to linux and as a point that displeases MP poor fundraiser Bob Beck is in their WoT
decimation: although I agree with folks who assert that redhat is gov't influenced, I also think that there is something to the idea of freezing a baseline and keeping it stable
decimation: it was used in my day job, became a habit
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: without a full deturding of a stack there likely can not be a single one blessed OS
ben_vulpes: so what *is* the #b-a sanctioned os?
BingoBoingo: Oppenheimer himself was enough of a hippy to go on the "bad" list
decimation: "But enough of such simplicities, let us now turn our attention to the real headscratcher. The source of that drum was Los Alamos, which is largely – but by no means exclusively – a nuclear weapons lab. And we have someone there who apparently preferentially purchases organically. A"
assbot: Nuclear waste spill: How a pro-organic push sparked $240m blunder • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1CyZCLJ )
decimation: ntpd was a somewhat misguided attempt to turn unix into a 'scientific instrument'
BingoBoingo: <decimation> but apparently nobody gives a shit, like the open ntp ddos amplifiers << Software names make this shit weird because there was ntpd which had this problem and openntpd which to my knowledge didn't
decimation: but apparently nobody gives a shit, like the open ntp ddos amplifiers
decimation: I gather the warning means that it will probably work on the system on which it is built but if you move it to a different system (the binary) you might not be able to resolve dns properly
decimation: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2725255/create-statically-linked-binary-that-uses-getaddrinfo <glibc uses libnss to support a number of different providers for address resolution services. Unfortunately, you cannot statically link libnss, as exactly what providers it loads depends on the local system's configuration.
asciilifeform: (i sorta do this for a living. but no one should take only my word for things.)
decimation: that's a common bug
mircea_popescu: this is seriously a bigger deal than whatever obama fucking derped today.
asciilifeform: note that it died a mostly silent death, buried beneath a torrent of barf from other compiles
mircea_popescu: in general this is the golden pill to defeat "general purpose" poisoned compiler, that auto-pulls the magic diddled dependency : put a x = "hash" in the code, compile, see if it included it.
asciilifeform: cms.pod around line 474: Expected text after =item, not a number
asciilifeform: cms.pod around line 470: Expected text after =item, not a number
asciilifeform: cms.pod around line 465: Expected text after =item, not a number
asciilifeform: cms.pod around line 461: Expected text after =item, not a number
asciilifeform: cms.pod around line 457: Expected text after =item, not a number
mircea_popescu: the only reasonable way to go forward at this point would be a) edit the source of the ssl we intend to use to include a magic string ; b) make ; c) strings on the binary.
decimation: dynamic libraries are the depressing result of the c-machine's sad attempt to have a global namespace
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's not retarded having a manifest with it dood.
decimation: that's a good point, why is ld complaining
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> which is one of the penalties for going static << The most important part of a turkey sandwich is the ham
mod6: root@debian-test:~/release-test/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/bitcoin/src# readelf -a bitcoind | grep -i SSL
mod6: yeah i get nothing from these: root@debian-test:~/release-test/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/bitcoin/src# readelf -a bitcoind | grep -i ssl
asciilifeform: the only way to know what's in a static build is a disassembler, a stead hand, a thermos of coffee, and some familiarity with the constituent parts
asciilifeform: readelf -a bitcoind | grep -i ssl
mod6: asciilifeform: is there a definitive way to check the binary for which SSL is linked in?
asciilifeform: or zap it all, i'll resend in a sec
mod6: obviously, i don't have a clue as to what's going on there.
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mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/pushing-the-soft-tender-flesh-of-a-friend-against-the-sharp-rotating-blades-of-the-immutable-machine/ found for later.
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jurov: asciilifeform sigh. it expects a clearsigned text, not just attachments with detached sigs
asciilifeform: and then i put it in a tarball and signed
mircea_popescu: think of it as a cache or something.
mod6: someone also mentioned that we (the bitcoin foundation) should host the openssl, bdb, and boost libs on our website for dl. i decided against that as i like someone to feel like they're getting a copy from the originator. (this is from yesterday)
mircea_popescu: i am happy to announce that for the fy 2014 serenissima ran a whopping 5798796857967496834% deficit
mod6: i can take a look at mine in xxd, just a moment.
mircea_popescu: unless there's a magic one ?
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 i thought you tested it in vms ? << yup. one virtual box deb 6 vm, one aws deb6 AMI and a friend had a separate deb6 ami. my gentoo testing was on gentoo aws AMI also.
assbot: Yanis Varoufakis: "Greece to Adopt the Bitcoin If Eurogroup Doesn't Give Us a Deal" | GreekReporter.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1G5NtSo )
NewLiberty: April fools, or no? http://greece.greekreporter.com/2015/04/01/yanis-varoufakis-greece-will-adopt-the-bitcoin-if-eurogroup-doesnt-give-us-a-deal/
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1083026 << is this something along the lines of "nothing bad can happen to me im a nice person minding my own biznis" ?
mod6: <+ascii_field> has any of you lot checked to see that the executable resulting from this build ACTUALL contains the openssl built by auto.sh ? << i never did, this could be a problem too
asciilifeform: one without which a decent compiler is quite impossible.
asciilifeform: for all we know, 'toe jam' is a micronutrient
mircea_popescu: mod6 what i'm saying is, this stuff would not reasonably be expected by you, nor is it a function of the project.
mircea_popescu: which is a 20 year old project, and which i had been using as a reason to justify why im not taking a piss in rms' hairdo
asciilifeform: i take it mircea_popescu is a gcc-bug-virgin
mod6: i think, maybe im not the right guy for this. or at minimum, I need someone who can look over my shoulder on this. there's no way we should have these issues 5 months into a project.
mircea_popescu: by now we have a family of these monsters, which is very worrisome,.
mod6: mircea_popescu: nope. none. my deb6 environments (yes more than one) all compiled it fine with gcc 4.4.5. i didn't have problems on gentoo either fwiw. but not sure what the gentoo AMI had for a compiler. my guess is that I was fooled by gcc.
asciilifeform: will post patch for 'fix' in a spell. gotta change clothes first.
asciilifeform: mod6: read the log. i fixed it, only to reveal a mega-bug
mod6: so re: all the uint32_t, sorry that you're all having problems with this. I guess I missed a lot of stuff.
asciilifeform: even a 'fairchild' circa '70s fab.
asciilifeform: wake me up when they build a fab.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a naked woman can be taught anything if you're willing to break an uncountable set of sticks.
mircea_popescu: it is a matter of need : in order to ensure your space you must control whole chains. there's no escaping this, and so someone will have to. nobody particularly has a desire to run a cnc mill or an ic fab, but if one wants working software, one has to. and so it flows.
assbot: Logged on 01-04-2015 22:18:07; nubbins`: you don't need to own a thing for its desire to shape your set of acceptable environments
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082999 << and it's not a matter of desire, we're not discussing aesthetics here, as if we were living in a post-functional world where even bothering to think about "where does the tap water come from" is a waste of time.
mircea_popescu: anything conflicting with this chain is about as interesting as "a bitcoin" that doesn't mine off the main chain.
mircea_popescu: his desire to own a cnc mill is a result of his desire to own a nuke, which is a result of his desire to go "either you stick to this rule or i kill you"
assbot: Logged on 01-04-2015 22:17:18; nubbins`: understand that your desire to own a 6-axis milling machine directly conflicts with your ability to live happily off-radar
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082995 << no. living off radar is not a matter of vanishing yourself. it is a matter of forcing the op to turn the radar off.
mircea_popescu: in this sense, someone who has to mooch wifi and someone who "owns" a mortgage are identical.
asciilifeform: or so much as a gram of soy, that the chinese can't grow cheaper, with which to buy one.
assbot: Logged on 01-04-2015 22:14:49; nubbins`: anyway, whether or not one can survive comfortably off the radar is more a function of the route their life has taken thus far. it's not in the cards for everyone.
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082985 << no. it is strictly a function of whether they are posing a threat to the leviathan or not. strictly that. no "routes". you can only matter if you can actually blow a hole in them, and you can only blow a hole in them if you don't depend on someone's permission for your activity.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nevertheless you can still go to argentina's remote east and grow some soy for yourself << grow me a 0805 resistor.
hanbot: mircea_popescu how's a hipster blowjob go?
BingoBoingo pours a drink because cutting the liquor budget substantially for the short to medium term future.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Toned down the meta a bit.
assbot: Logged on 01-04-2015 21:43:36; nubbins`: all of a sudden the freewheelin hitchhikin hippies aren't so stupid :0
assbot: Logged on 01-04-2015 21:42:51; ascii_field: so it isn't simply a matter of physically getting out - any idiot with 1k-usd or so can do that. but you also have to completely divorce the 'legit global economy'
nubbins`: util.h:650:8: error: ‘uint32_t’ does not name a type
gribble: Error: "later_tell" is not a valid command.
BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> jurov: though BingoBoingo did 'go ferguson go' a bit << Then the peace vampires came out, like USG Informant Al Sharpton.
ben_vulpes: funkenstein_ fancies hisself a laird nao?