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trinque: asciilifeform: do you use a hardened toolchain?
asciilifeform: unless a patent is so poorly constructed as to be thrown out immediately, any patent litigation in usaworld is a contest of bank accounts.
mircea_popescu: seeing how you called whatever phrase a mpism
asciilifeform: anyway patents are a passenger on the burning atomic dirigible of usg
trinque: this prior art thing if it actually worked would burn like a grease fire through 99.9% of software patents
asciilifeform: trinque: you need at least a basic troll-grade patent for that
trinque: sure that and dragging every entity smaller than a billion plus in revenue into court to die by starvation
trinque: there's a patent on having a database of products and modifiers which dates to 2000s sometime
nubbins`: not a bad read
asciilifeform: aslr is sorta like building a labyrinth in your house to slow burglars
asciilifeform: mats: is it just me or do 'aslr' and related items give a feeling of 'plugging the wrong end of the funnel' ?
nubbins`: asciilifeform then a couple thou years from now you've got people taking guesses as to the True Name of mrc ppsc
asciilifeform: anyway, for the record, my experiment concerned the question of how to create a mapping between a source tree and sections of resulting bin
mats: found yerself a greater fool eh
asciilifeform: holy everliving phuck, is auditing a cpp-built bin a pain.
asciilifeform: i'd like one for a quick experiment.
nubbins`: saw this on a wall in a "love park" in lima, stays with me: http://imgur.com/2smAiq6
nubbins`: while i'll advance that it was "good", peruvian standard is to beat any steak with a maul before grilling
asciilifeform: 'The one L lama, he's a priest The two L llama, he's a beast ...'
nubbins`: unless you replace the two L's with a J
mircea_popescu: cause lo siento means sorry, but it also means i hear you in a very unspanish ethymological approach
BingoBoingo: jurov: BingoBoingo: interested in "Weekly #b-a"? i need at least someting useful to come out of this << I see no reason why not
mircea_popescu points out that his entire life he's been a transaltor, and perhaps the most successful/best paid/dearliest loved translator ever. started off translating the law to a bunch of burly dudes, then later translated romania to foreigners, then later translated psychiatry to engineers
asciilifeform: assumed that apparatus for delivering fresh spoodge into a lesbian is necessary
asciilifeform: 'build me a harness for efficiently tossing nun from helicopter.' -- 'what size nun?' -- 'a number-five.'
mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as an engineer that's not a psychiatrist.
mircea_popescu: there's a reason stuff must be ipad even if crapple does not work : orc wants things it can carry
mircea_popescu: there's a reason you can't have a roomsized machine.
mircea_popescu: http://www.demotivation.us/media/demotivators/demotivation.us__ENVY-It-Wears-a-Coat-and-Hides-in-Hallways-1.jpg
asciilifeform: envy that wears a coat and hides in the hallways works << also wai wat
nubbins`: i'm gonna pretend that wasn't a typo
mircea_popescu: imagine there was a breed of marginally intelligent rabid dogs, and they attacked cars
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it could be packaged in a large suitcase, containing a reel of hose.
mircea_popescu: i don't think you exactly understand how envy that wears a coat and hides in the hallways works.
asciilifeform: but set up with a wall, or else what is the point
asciilifeform: also i predicted a very different machine, that would include the chinese donor 'milking' box in the next room
trinque: jurov: I have a pogo here
mircea_popescu: wait he's dressed in a pastry ?
nubbins`: <+punkman> " balaclava-clad goon attempts to burn a fire-resistant EU flag" <<< protip: spray paint the corner of the thing before lighting
asciilifeform: i'd rather not put a multigig turd on my puny hostatron
mircea_popescu: a) put the fucking history in and b) fix your 404 scheme
bitstein: mircea_popescu, mod6: The deed link at the bottom of http://thebitcoin.foundation/declaration.txt redirects to a weird domain registration site.
asciilifeform presently lightly occupied with a couplea unrelated things
mircea_popescu: but then I GOT CAUGHT IN A BA CONVO
ben_vulpes: naw, you're too old to be a noob anymore.
asciilifeform: there breatheth a man who has not heard of 'qemu' ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes that's only because you're a young fox.
jurov: BingoBoingo: interested in "Weekly #b-a"? i need at least someting useful to come out of this
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=1181853joe_sacco_buffoons_tale.png << l33t w4r3z scan. this comic was probably not intentionally about the collapse of fiat world, but is a good parable for it regardless.
punkman: " balaclava-clad goon attempts to burn a fire-resistant EU flag"
asciilifeform: and ahahaha we know, it was because it lacked a 'big daddy' to cry to
nubbins`: hahahahaha is he holding a fucking pint of draft?
nubbins`: imagine, future-proofing a video game console in 1983 :0
nubbins`: back then, yeah. a rarity.
nubbins`: my atari 2600 one had a switch for CH 2/3
asciilifeform has not been to a tv store in a very long time
asciilifeform: or it would be a joke
nubbins`: jurov openbsd keeps a room of shit hardware because it's expected to run on that shit hardware in the real world
asciilifeform: jurov: openbsd is solving a rather different problem, 'waltzing' it on variety of archs
asciilifeform: i am also open to using a bsd of one kind or another
asciilifeform: jurov: clearly this is part of the spec, it must build for a) self b) other archs
nubbins`: my path forward is prolly gonna be (a)gxemul (b) gentoo on same (c) 0.5.3.1 on same
nubbins`: do a run-through (or 10) of getting gxemul set up, and make a guide
asciilifeform: but is a more complex beast
asciilifeform: and mips is a very simple and well-defined cpu arch.
nubbins`: cross-compile failing would probably be a canary
asciilifeform: if the cross-compile is failing because it's a cross-compile << cross-compile is the gold standard for correctness
nubbins`: i fear this'll add complexity from the start because you won't know if the cross-compile is failing because it's a cross-compile or because the code's borked
asciilifeform: not stuck. just gives a golden reference
asciilifeform: only a textbook 'ideal' mips cpu that never existed
mod6: i dont want to rely on an emulator if possible. i'd like to have: a URL to an ISO of gentoo that's "acceptable", a script that pulls down tar balls of required tools and builds them
asciilifeform: but a 'textbook' mips plus bitmap graphics
asciilifeform: it is a simple enough beast
asciilifeform: the only -canonical- parent of a given build on my box is my particular hardware plus my particular disk contents
mod6: ok. im not sure if we have a way forward on this project. or if there is, I don't know what it is.
asciilifeform: let's rephrase a bit
asciilifeform: mod6: i want a script that will build all of the "accepted"/"blessed" versions << notice that this is where we were with bitcoind ?
asciilifeform: mod6: say i publish a recipe for constructing said image (runs on, e.g., qemu-system-mipsel). and then you do it, and we learn that your disk image differs from mine which differs from nubbins` which differs from mircea_popescu's etc
mod6: i want a script that will build all of the "accepted"/"blessed" versions of the things it needs; gcc, etc, etc, etc.
mod6: i don't want a binary.
asciilifeform: try to understand why i am hesitant to put out a binary image for folks to run
nubbins` has a virtualbox .VDI with gentoo installed
asciilifeform: regardless of whether you have a 'pc' or 'elbrus'
asciilifeform: no, it would have to be a disk image for an emulated machine
mod6: What I was hoping for is maybe a build script. Would that be muti-gig?
asciilifeform: but do folks really want to pass a multigig bag of shit around ?
mod6: asciilifeform: can you make a repeatable build environment for The Foundation to use going forward? Something put together by you, blessed by you, so we're all building/testing/using something that "fits in head"?
asciilifeform: general rule is that i should be able to at least obtain the build target using -the compilers i presently have- and a set of sourceballs.
mod6: yeah, I believe I did. But I can't find a build log for it.
nubbins` has a suspicion that this is somehow related to 32bit vs 64bit libs
thestringpuller: rich boy sellin' coin broke niggaz wanna jack this just bought a debian "THROW SOME SYSTEMD's on dat bitch"
ben_vulpes: ('here, let me duct tape a bunch of libs together so you get emails when your derps break the cpp compiled into the android code')
ben_vulpes: oh yeah. i did a continuous integration thinger for an android project recently.
ben_vulpes: anyways, we need a build target. one. not the accidental build target of debian 6 that fell out of my archaeology project.
nubbins`: gentoo is ostensibly used by alf because it's the sanest. the fact that bitcoind doesn't compile on it doesn't necessarily mean that the OS is the problem, nor does it mean a turd should be adopted as the OTBT
ben_vulpes: if it doesn't work how is it a candidate now?
mats: For example: the most significant issue in the Truecrypt report is a finding related to the Windows version of Truecrypt's random number generator (RNG), which is responsible for generating the keys that encrypt Truecrypt volumes.
danielpbarron: A problem in Truecrypt is that in some extremely rare circumstances, the Crypto API can fail to properly initialize. When this happens, Truecrypt should barf and catch fire. Instead it silently accepts this failure and continues to generate keys.
assbot: A Few Thoughts on Cryptographic Engineering: Truecrypt report ... ( http://bit.ly/1P2GLiM )
asciilifeform: because it was given the local ssl as a search path, yes