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decimation: I assumed it was a language 'feature' like matlab
decimation: all the examples I've found start with a 1
mats: anyway, i did say useful. night folks.
decimation: mats: I've witnessed that happening too
decimation: "Oh I'm totally an awesome diplomat, look at my years of usg experience!"
decimation: re: federal employees overpaid < I suspect the whole system operates as a net with a hole - all the talent get sucked in and immediately leaves, but the bottom suckers end up 'caught'
mircea_popescu: he just about got back out i'd guess.
asciilifeform: i mean, yes, we'll go there when time comes
mircea_popescu: <mats> i'm not certain that submission as evidence nullifies IP rights << it's a right nightmare.
thestringpuller: "When I feel like it"
mike_c: "I'll fetch when i damn well please"
mats: i'm not certain that submission as evidence nullifies IP rights
gribble: I have not seen gribble.
mats: i'm not really sure how it works
mircea_popescu: <mats> and anyway i like to see what people offended by mp are up to << lol me too. but this guy... he's not offended, he's just trying to you knwo, "make it in this game".
cazalla: thestringpuller, yeah, i was gonna write it up under heading of hundreds of paedos use microsoft products to rape kids, but actually covered the report the above article mentions back in october or november last year
thestringpuller: but this is irrelevant of execution i suppose
gribble: evoorhees was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 31 weeks, 4 days, 23 hours, 29 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <evoorhees> I need to go for now, on later
mats: and anyway i like to see what people offended by mp are up to
mats: i wanted to see if he had anything useful to say in a long form medium
mats: i spent the last ten mins reading BlueMeanie4's blog
thestringpuller: i know the script kiddies love it, but probably same reason they defend node.js
mike_c: agreed. i think rails has too much black magic
mike_c: turbogears2 looks good too.. i have some vague memory of not liking sql alchemy for some reason, but that was awhile ago and i can't remember why.
lobbes: <ben_vulpes> mostly, because it's so damn easy. << I played with lisp for a second, and even I felt like seemed way more 'intuitive'
ben_vulpes: and i speak not as a veteran here.
ben_vulpes: i'm always cautious about that line.
mike_c: ok, but i'm not going to judge by how easy it is to un-fuck a particular framework done poorly.
ben_vulpes: mike_c: keep in mind i'm approaching this from an empirical perspective.
mike_c: i don't get it. you're saying a novice can use cojure ring and not hurt himself?
jurov: pity more people don't use turbogears2. i have found it quite usable, with documentation uptodate and keeps improving
mike_c: what's wrong with django? i bit bloated, but there's a lot of good code in there.
mircea_popescu: i think it was in the logs from last time we did this
ascii_field: last i checked, php wasn't mandatory
PeterL: pete_dushenski:weird thing is: bablogs.btcscoop.com seems to have no problem with it << I forgot I had to do a funny trick with codecs to get that to work, lets see if scoopbot works now?
mike_c: sekrit php detector. i had no idea.
kakobrekla: idk if i was ever in a position where 'everything is wrong' was legit claim.
mircea_popescu: i didn't say that eh.
ascii_field: (i do have one of these, http://i.imgur.com/EuoNzHn.jpg - ~18 usd - but it suffers from lack of sata, 32M(ram) 8M(rom), and a wifi chip that cannot be disabled - built into cpu and embedded antenna)
ascii_field: (expect mircea_popescu to retort 'throw the damn thing out' but i'll note that they aren't exactly in limitless supply - nor do we yet know of an alternate box that is)
nubbins`: pret-t-t-t-t-y sure i've got an FTDI adapter here somewhere
nubbins`: so i don't need it unless i do, in other words
danielpbarron: i'll try to document what i did
nubbins`: is the serial mod necessary or can i just ssh to the silly thing?
ascii_field: all the rest of you with 'pogos', i highly recommend taking the time to do this mod
danielpbarron: do i need to modify uboot to make it send through usb?
mircea_popescu: tell me, if i burn the walmart in connecticut tomorrow, has capitalism had a setback ?
danielpbarron: ok well i got the usb thing to show up in a live ubuntu, but nothing gets sent from pogo
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mircea_popescu: i burned books myself, what of it ? they sucked.
mircea_popescu: meh i canbt find it. anyway, it was yet another of the "bitcoin has failed" but this one was because "greed made it not applaud gavin"
mircea_popescu: to illustrate what i mean, here's a quote from the mooks in question :
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel i specifically dispute the stance that we're trying "again". it's still the same one try, and it's still going oin magnificently.
gabriel_laddel: "You don't need to take my proposal seriously because it is so ridiculous that I am obviously completely out of touch with the real world. But that kite won't fly, for I know the real world only too well: the problems of the real world are primarily those you are left with when you refuse to apply their effective solutions. So, let us try again."
gabriel_laddel: I now have had my foggy crystal ball for quite a long time. Its predictions are invariably gloomy and usually correct, but I am quite used to that and they won't keep me from giving you a few suggestions, even if it is merely an exercise in futility whose only effect is to make you feel guilty."
gabriel_laddel: "So, if I look into my foggy crystal ball at the future of computing science education, I overwhelmingly see the depressing picture of "Business as usual". The universities will continue to lack the courage to teach hard science, they will continue to misguide the students, and each next stage of infantilization of the curriculum will be hailed as educational progress.
mircea_popescu: "Academic computing science is doing fine, thank you, and unless I am totally mistaken, it will have a profound influence. I am not referring to the changes that result from computers in their capacity of tools. Okay, the equipment opens new opportunities for the entertainment industry, but who cares about that anyhow. The equipment has enabled the airline industry to make its rates so complicated and volatile that you
mircea_popescu: i had forgotten just how on point dijkstra is.
mircea_popescu: "Under current circumstances I would not even attempt to promote co-operation between the academic and the industrial worlds, because it seems pointless and dangerous. I have come to the conclusion that, industrial management being what it is, it is extremely unlikely that computing science can save the computing industry. Conversely, the computer industry can severely damage computing science; it does so quite regular
mircea_popescu: besides the point. that's what being in a hurry looks like. "omfg, i wonder if there are many people following me", said that blair deffective while walking towards the elephant rifle in hand
mircea_popescu: "In the wake of the Cultural Revolution and now of the recession I observe a mounting pressure to co-operate and to promote "teamwork". For its anti-individualistic streak, such a drive is of course highly suspect; some people may not be so sensitive to it, but having seen the Hitlerjugend in action suffices for the rest of your life to be very wary of "team spirit". Very. I have even read one text that argued that uni
ascii_field: i.e. who gets to eat
gabriel_laddel: I've been having fantasies about WoT for academic matters. The ability to turn off an entire viewpoint in a graph-traversal. Ah.
mircea_popescu: " The external pressures to do the wrong thing are enormous, but yielding to them would be fatal for the academic enterprise, while resisting the pressure reinforces its strengths. The pressures are, in fact, so strong that I do not know a university where there is not some faculty or some department that has yielded, but there should be no mercy for snake oil pedlars on campus."
gabriel_laddel: which is actually why I was reading it
danielpbarron: i don't even know what that means
danielpbarron: i do not get that
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: Maybe like thestringpuller's it is missing << pete_dushenski: I think that got fixed. tumblr is lik dumb.
danielpbarron: ascii_field, when should something show up in /dev ? when i plug the usb thing in? or when the povo turns on?
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: I remember that a while ago you mentioned you lectured at local universities. Was this in Romania aor Argentina?
mats: i don't recognize any names on their about page
mats: idk. another exchange that loves bootstrap from what i see.
mircea_popescu: otherwise i'd have left them a comment.
gabriel_laddel: (allow me to retract "flip out" - they don't address any of the arguments, say that it pattern matches for 'crank'. I point out that this isn't an argument and that every sentence is clearly falsifiable. Conversation terminates.)
ascii_field: i did a good bit of supercomp heavy lifting for his eotvos thing, pro bono
danielpbarron: not sure if i did this right
gabriel_laddel: I've given a few people links to PERUSING THE LIMITS OF FAILED SYMMETRY
ascii_field: i tried and tried, without success, to get schwartz in here.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: actually my explanation is out of date, now that i think about it
mircea_popescu: i mean, just this. THIS.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller guy's just trying to matter, i wouldn't read too much into it.
ascii_field: nubbins`: where i live, the 'tuition freeze' is a total scam. they raise 'fees'
nubbins`: actually now that i think about it
mircea_popescu: in any case, it's a great system, but a) most kids have to pay and b) i forget.
thestringpuller: ascii_field: you're leaving your house quite often these days. I thought you may have developed agoraphobia.
punkman: I didn't explain well before, here's how it works: 1. last year of high school you, national exams. 2. you make ordered list of unis you'd like to study at 3. exam grades and minimum grade for each uni are published. 4. congratulations, you got your 27th choice.
ascii_field: at this point i can tell the topology being printed by the sounds, though not the geometry, and it's creating a strange picture in head
nubbins`: i saw this ridiculous youtube ad about this asshole with an obv rented lambo
mircea_popescu: ascii_field obviously not. i was asking him about his country today.
gabriel_laddel: (I googled "buffet manifest destiny")
mircea_popescu: anyway, thank god dijkstra died and i don't have to read 2014 abominations from him like i have to read 2014 "manifest destiny" abominations from buffett.
gabriel_laddel: It seems to me that again, the basic mechanism is the same. But then again, I wasn't there, and surely cannot comprehend the suit fetish in its full absurdity.
gabriel_laddel: I had that quote in the scratch buffer right along with some others prior to posting in the chat. Did read.
mircea_popescu: " (If you even wondered why I did not join Disneyland or IBM, you now know why. )" << gabriel_laddel see ? right there.
mircea_popescu: The final reason for my refusal is that the habit appeals to the quantitative mind and I come from a culture in which the primarily quantitative mind does not evoke admiration. [A major reason that we considered Roman Catholics to belong to a lower class was precisely their quantitative bent: they always counted, number of faithful, number of days in purgatory, you name it.....]
mircea_popescu: well, in THAT context his quote means substantially something else than what i took it to mean, made 30 years later.
gabriel_laddel: And also for the American Universities the tide may be turning. Traditionally they have been asked to train the work-force for the American industry, while the question of educating the industry so as to be worthy of their graduates was left untouched. But, currently, companies in Silicon Valley seem to be folding up at a higher rate than they are erected. I consider that good news because it could drive home the me
pete_dushenski: which, i suppose is what gov regulations really are
mircea_popescu: i never saw the tsa, somehow.
mircea_popescu: lol. i had suits and white shirts etc.