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trinque: guido built
a language for "them"
mircea_popescu: " It should be at least possible for users to start learning the basics of Python without having to first learn English as
a prerequisite (even if English remains
a requirement for full participation in the global Python and open source ecosystems)." << this is pretty retarded.
decimation: python 3 supports '
a better text model to support unicode' rather than 'posix with unicode bolted on'
decimation: although boeing is
a famous 'ada' shop. but they probably outsource that shit too
decimation: same with aircraft, etc. nobody feels the need to 'upgrade' how
a 777 works internally. you want new avionics? buy
a new plane
mircea_popescu: for that matter, gnupg 1.4.x works just fine, and come to think about it the pogos are being raped with software that's
a decade old.
decimation: well, if you can live on
a hardware baseline, then you have the luxury of clamping down on software upgrade shit
decimation: yeah this is
a good point. and it gives more ammunition to the idea that if one is using python, one should consider stepping away
mircea_popescu: anyway, i don't get it. if the language was good, who cares about
a fork ? it can be ignored like gavincoin, or burned to the ground at that. if the language sucked, then well... ?
decimation: maybe this stuff should be added to the various grounds for
a google fiduciary lawsuit
decimation: yes, the whole document reads as
a retroactive justification for guido's missteps. "no no, you see it was
a clever strategy to release python 3 in
a way that made it seem that it sucked ass."
mircea_popescu: c) if people and companies invested time in shit that doesn't offer them
a roi, this means they are stupid and should be punished. in no case does it mean they should get some compensatory candy.
mircea_popescu: b) why exactly is the expected "developing" ? afaik,
a language should be set in stone. if this is the view entertained, what "evolution" the fuck do they wish ? if this isn't the view contemplated, why are they not on 3 yet!
mircea_popescu: this reads very brokenly to my eye, for many reasons, such as :
a) people who can't afford things get no voice. this is what "financial reasons" means : shut the fuck up and go home. if you are poor, you aren't
a person.
decimation: ah but the implicit threat: "What would it take to make you change your minds about the current plan? An important thing to understand for anyone hoping to convince the core development team to change direction in regards to Python 3 development and promotion is to know that mere words aren’t enough, it’s going to take action. That action is defined in PEP 404: creating
a Python 2.8 release (under
a different name, however, since
mircea_popescu: moreover, i don't get the following sort of nonsense : "One solution is to fork Python 2.7, and continue developing the language, adding features in
a backwards compatible way so large, unportable (due to financial constraints) Python 2 applications can continue to evolve and improve and bring value to the people and companies that invested so much time developing them. "
mircea_popescu: this is
a non-issue. there's no homesteading in software. some derps using X language don't acquire some sort of "rights", just like gavin, that "bitcoin chamber of commerce" pageant chick or max keiser did not acquire any sort of property over bitcoin by derping on the margins of it with abandon.
decimation: sure, but at the pain of making himself look like
a retard when he goes off and does something retarded in the name of his domain
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes another aproach, but entirely for someone looking to sink
a lifetime into this, is examining the failures (iirc there were
a couple in there). see if any way to leverage this
mircea_popescu:
a decent approach is to compare your dataset to other datasets, especially ones obtained through different means
assbot: BitBet - Phuctor will find
a bad key :: 0 B (50%) on Yes, 0 B (50%) on No | closing in 1 week 1 day| weight: 99`996 (100`000 to 1) ... (
http://bit.ly/1JsBVH9 )
mircea_popescu: "you want to talk about X, you fail to cite and address Y, you are thereby
a kook, go away"
mircea_popescu: further in defense of the nuts : "Nick Coghlan’s document should really be
a required citation for any article advancing
a new course for Python, because nobody is going to take you seriously if you don’t address" << this is very sensible.
mircea_popescu: "“They want everything for nothing. They wouldn’t go for five seconds without being paid. And they’ll bitch about how much they’re paid, and want more. I should do
a freebie for Warner Brothers? What, is Warner Brothers out with an eye patch and
a tin cup on the street? Fuck, no."
decimation: yes, which is why any profession worth
a shit has
a comprehensive specialty dictionary for exactly this reason
mircea_popescu: at that point you are admitted as aprofessional in any discipline, when people consider that you may be trusted to never, ever, anywhere, use
a term of art improperly. this is why they do four years' law and eight years' medical school, creativity malaplied can cost lives, topple bridges, destroy destinies. IT IS FORBIDDEN.
mircea_popescu: nobody has time to read specialty text with beginner's eyes, wonderments and speed, with care and dedication and "i wonder what the author meant" every word. it's not fiction, it's not
a novel, its science, you read ten thousand pages
a year minimum.
mircea_popescu: the important bit for this convo being "nimeni nu are timp sa citeasca textele de specialitate cu ochi, uimiri si viteza de incepator, cu atentie si migala si "oare ce-
a vrut sa spuna autorul" la fiecare cuvant. Nu-i fictiune, nu-i roman, e text stiintific, si se citesc cate zece mii de pagini pe an minim. Pentru
a sustine eficienta muncii in stiinta se folosesc anumite cuvinte si structuri fixe ale caror sensuri se de
mircea_popescu:
a simple serial iteration of "x as expected y as expected" can be followed and remembered momentarily.
mircea_popescu: if the discussion revolves around
a tree five levels deep, with on average five leaves per branch, this is readily 3k items being discussed.
decimation: maybe he was only typing the letter '
a'
decimation: I submit
a human doing anything that involves any degree of thought at
a rate of greater than 10 per second is neigh impossible
mircea_popescu: yeah, im aware really good scientists can listen to
a two hour lab report, write down three lines and then reproduce it exactly.
gribble: Error: "\" is not
a valid command.
gribble: Error: "" is not
a valid command.
gribble: Error: "" is not
a valid command.
decimation: for instance, with std_vector, try resizing
a vector without initializing the elements
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron bitfinex was at no point in its existence anything but
a [very thinly veiled] scam.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes getting that shit to compile is god's work. i imagine alf's set is untouched since 1993 and probably the last tiem anyone actually compiled it was back when paris hilton was still
a virgin
assbot: Logged on 06-05-2015 21:42:45; pete_dushenski: 'gtbc' update : cantor fitzgerald has
a 100 share buy order for at $25.00. 52wk range: $37.98 - $94.86. heh.
decimation:
http://sealedabstract.com/rants/python-3-is-fine/ < nope, they are still digging their hole. "However one argument that definitely does not work is “you should work on Python 2 because that would make my life as
a commercial software developer easier”. The fact that Python 2 and commercial software developers had
a symbiotic relationship at all was
a happy coincidence, never
a goal. The goal was “produce
a language that Guido
decimation: asciilifeform: did you order up
a batch from that macrofab place?
danielpbarron: "My awesome and super-collectible Romy kit included kick-ass furniture, like this gas tube with "Mihaela" on it and 12 notches. I don't get it, Mihaela is
a Romanian female name and the guy only scored 12 of them."
mircea_popescu: incidentally, china during lu zhi is
a very interesting case study. anyone recall the episode when the much more powerful mongols sent an emissary with practically that day's equivalent of PUA wisdom,
BingoBoingo: To be fair to forum muppet he united the shovel handle stock to
a lower reciever made from the spade. At least FOR NOW the lower reciever is the purchase restricted part.
trinque: seems like this "ethnic russians" thing has been kicking
a while
mike_c: mircea_popescu: ah, yes, I added
a better page for not found users, but not on the trust page. will fix.
mircea_popescu: because why not, ssl lv3 is
a standard-as-implementred thing.
mircea_popescu: "Now after
a lot of research, it appears that there is an incompatibility between OpenSSL < 0.9.8k and OpenSSL 1.0.1."
danielpbarron: "and the file size of each block can be up to 1 megabyte." << heh. everything is
a file!
assbot: Successfully added
a rating of 1 for schmidty with note: saw
a provocative looking comment about the blocksize and is now falling down
a rabbit hole
assbot: Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 1CF87B48F45FECB1C31625988C3B6B1EED7494DF. This may take
a few moments.
pete_dushenski: "Last November, the 49-year old entrepreneur, who has no technology background, strode into
a Beijing ballroom to pitch his latest made-in-China product: SPGnux,
a Linux-based operating system he says could replace Microsoft Corp's Windows."
pete_dushenski: in other news, "Netanyahu's right-wing Likud sealed an agreement with ultranationalist Jewish Home, which advocates annexation of parts of occupied territory Palestinians seek for
a state."
cazalla: i told her in here like
a year ago
pete_dushenski: zynga lays off 364 people, loses
a penny
a share, stock up 7%. farmville bringing in 1/4 what is was 2 years ago.
ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu
a good fraction of the existing db overlaps with the first coupla-1000 of the dump
pete_dushenski: 'gtbc' update : cantor fitzgerald has
a 100 share buy order for at $25.00. 52wk range: $37.98 - $94.86. heh.
☟︎ trinque: so rolling from
a defensive use to offensive is
a matter of loading ammo, not replacing the gun
ascii_field: very easy to not give
a fuck about
a border that isn't through your house.
trinque: let rama zip through the solar system once and then ask me how much I give
a shit what the border of transnistria is
trinque: just fake
a few nuke radar signatures and boom, planet fumigated
ascii_field:
a machine that lets you detect other fella's rockets 5sec earlier, is really as much
a lethal weapon as
a nuke per se
ascii_field: thing is, 'defensive' is
a deceptive word here
trinque: more like one of those ratcheting ties for
a truck load
trinque: doesn't seem to be
a question of "ok"
ascii_field: last time cn had major shenanigans on ru border, there was
a mini-war
pete_dushenski: hm. stalin painted as being too forgiving. that's
a new one.
ascii_field: stalin was
a pathologically forgiving fella.
ascii_field: trinque: in all cases but ua, accurate. the bulk of ua, on the other hand, was created by hruschev with
a pencil
schmidty: saw
a provocative looking comment about the blocksize and i am falling down
a rabbit hole now
trinque: and what I wonder is whether to expect
a war over the partitioning of eastern europe, or whether the basic agreement on who gets what has already been made