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asciilifeform: ( funnily , it appears that the normal recruiting pool for police -- burned-out iraq vets -- has dried up. nao they have booths at public markets, fairs, 'join the police dept! medical & dental!' )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: re aiming, per reports from cousins and their spawn still taught to aim. Just once they go from basic skills to small unit tactics they are taught in practice one guy in squad with .30 rifle should aim while rest make noise
asciilifeform: 99% of'em never use it, so the 'less weight on belt' aspect appeals.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in washingtonistan, police usually has the plastic austrian 'glock' or similar.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: From the local news stories I read in old country police usually took what they were given or bought what they were told with money similarly given with strings
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'teach'em to aim' went out of style in vietnam era. why, is a q for experts, i'll leave it alone
BingoBoingo suspects part of the reason it takes 250k+ rounds per us conscript kill is the magazines are too big. Fuck your supressing fire, make the first shot count!
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: conscripts, see, will use what's issued to'em. and in usa, that's whatever pads pockets of whatever 'favourite son' contractor.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: iirc some of these oddball calibres aint even made industrially , like normal people do, but instead turned on a lathe ~individually~ from larger shells
BingoBoingo: In that case why not SKS? Durable thing that required machining, but otherwise perfect conscript rifle
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: folx who mainly use the thing to hang on wall, naturally dun care if a shell costs 10 $ ea. or is sold in just 1 place in alabama or whatnot
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: There seems to be a racket where a loading with get a weird ricer name like .50 BEOWOLF or .300 BLACKOUT get some USG test firings and go on to market the round as things normally get marketed to jugalos,etc based on edgy/cool name
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: sorta how you can fiddle all you like with pc irons and will still end up with essentially same x86 box, with all the basic flaws, always
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: probably one could write entire b00k on 'ricer hardware'. i.e. where enthusiast could (and often does) fill an entire lifetime of nights an' weekends with fiddling, and spend any amt of money, but will still end up with basically same thing, if 'heavy with shit stuck to the side'.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Lettuce not forget all of the non-standard caliber uppers available for M16/AR15 which will take it from .22 rimfire through some rimless straightwall .50 rounds with all manner of niche weird in between
asciilifeform: ( and pertinently, contrary to popular delusion, usa's 'contract soldier' is psychologically still same conscript, us army is fulla folx who joined e.g. to get their teeth fixed, or simply to find any work at all, aint no work to be had in their native oklahomistan outside of meth labs )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-30 04:47:00 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1939070 << afaik 100% it. also the future borne them out, not because "nuclear war" but because yeast infection. pretty much ANY platoon will fall back in a panic if you as much as hit one guy. and we're not talking here of domestic ra-ra-ra-i'm-so-bad-i-gotta-wear-a-mask cowardlice. even "battle hardened" "afghanistan veterans" are the same shit.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939156 << this is imho an underappreciated good point. conscript dun need to be hit with rhinoceros round, he'll take any excuse to go to the rear
asciilifeform: invite an enthusiast for tea, he will tell you for two hours about titanium firing pins ( with 0 awareness of the metallurgy, of why is it that in sovok, where to this day ~monopoly on the metal, no one used ti firing pin? ) but with the deepest conviction.
snsabot: Logged on 2016-07-21 13:37:11 asciilifeform: phun phakt: for every conceivable heresy re kalash, american 'ricers' will happily sell you an aftermarket kit , to idiotate to yer heart's delight
asciilifeform: see also this old thrd. consider the most popular piece, the m16 & variants. popular specifically because comes apart into two dozen parts, for each of which there are 'ricer' aftermarket 'shit bolted to side!111' replacements, for fiddlers to fiddle with.
asciilifeform: re that 'mac-10' ( famously rejected by army commission with phrase 'this would be great for warfare inside a phone booth' ) -- americans very fond in recent decades of 'picturesque', loud, but entire impractical small arms. iirc mp even wrote a piece on subj, along the lines of tlp's 'this is not to win, but to Feel Like A Trader'.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-30 04:10:31 mp_en_viaje: so what exactly happened, how the fuck did the ~extremely civilised~ germans, who if convened today would laugh with every hole at the "washington correspondent's dinner" FOR CAUSE, end up throwing stones at people's windows that they actually very much respected privately...
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939138 << the key to the puzzler aint much of a seekrit. goebbels put it in plain text. j00z were picked as 'instigators of the war' and meat grinder ramped up in direct proportion to the obviousness of germany starting to lose. the chronology fits.
asciilifeform has nfi how this belief formed, but suspects reason -- folx still die of heat in that shithole, fan or no fan, just like right here in usa
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-30 03:35:10 mp_en_viaje: which... i mean, for most of the 90s the koreans deeply believed that if one goes to sleep with a working fan in the room, the mechanical movement will somehow magically "suck the oxygen out" of the room leading to asphyxia.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939123 << afaik they still believe.
ossabot: Logged on 2018-05-17 11:37:22 mircea_popescu: kinda why we need someone in china, to dissolve exactly this sort of "only seems to be offered in china and in container-sized min order" situation ; which arises for very good reasons to do with industrialization, and is eminently solvable -- but not by the red skins, nor from inside the reservation.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-30 07:56:16 diana_coman: afaik the need someone in China is still entirely unaddressed, is it? apparently thimbronion has newly established e-mail contact with someone living in China so maybe worth pursuing it with this goal in mind.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-30 04:50:44 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1939082 << no, because by the time the bullet's leaving, it actually has same speed as the fireball. so moar contact wouldn't have accelerated it much further.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939158 << instead of arguing the point, i'ma invite mp_en_viaje to take cheap chronograph and compare 2 barrel lengths in same caliber. ( where flash is white, gas is still pushing . is part of why folx even bother with long barrels. )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-30 04:31:40 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1939050 << pretty sure the nigger-famous macs are open bolt.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939147 << indeed they were. they demonstratively pissed on the ban, not even from 'practical' but as a stotting .
snsabot: Logged on 2017-12-07 08:52:36 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1747908 << the 1 law, where 'precedent is whatever we say it is'. sorta like 'in this germany, a jew is he who i say is a jew' in the earlier reich.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-30 04:02:09 mp_en_viaje: the very officers ranting about the evil jews wilfully respected jewish veterans, promoted jewish officers, threw a fit if they were sidelined and so the fuck on.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939132 << h. göring famously had a j00 as general under him. for entire length of the war.
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ossabot: Logged on 2018-05-17 11:37:22 mircea_popescu: kinda why we need someone in china, to dissolve exactly this sort of "only seems to be offered in china and in container-sized min order" situation ; which arises for very good reasons to do with industrialization, and is eminently solvable -- but not by the red skins, nor from inside the reservation.
diana_coman: afaik the need someone in China is still entirely unaddressed, is it? apparently thimbronion has newly established e-mail contact with someone living in China so maybe worth pursuing it with this goal in mind.
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile for the rotaku club, first serious mention of bitcoin on trilema.
mp_en_viaje: https://archive.is/VERxz/ea03d0cd7f309d68285653e8626362cd2ec2d46e.png << wtf, the verbiage to go with that is "He had a muscular body builder’s build and an attitude. His piercing brown eyes below dark bushy eyebrows and thick black mop of curly dark hair gave a clear message, “don’t mess with me.” He was quiet and intense with a masked sense of humor until provoked, and then watch out" ? wasn't my read at all.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-29 19:41:48 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: for what argentards to invade uy ? to steal the pot-flavoured empanadas ??
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1939096 << cuz it's a "large" (self-perceived, as always, an ysocialism will perceive itself as large much like every donkey will perceive its voice as melodious) failed (duh) socialism. it's what they do.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-29 19:30:51 asciilifeform: lotsa wasted joules in that fireball. the powder wants a barrel to do its thing in.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1939082 << no, because by the time the bullet's leaving, it actually has same speed as the fireball. so moar contact wouldn't have accelerated it much further.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-29 19:22:28 BingoBoingo: The NATO caliber standarding also happened during that time where the soft-serve consensus was the next fight will be nuclear so its possible there wasn't much concern over small arm supremacy
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1939070 << afaik 100% it. also the future borne them out, not because "nuclear war" but because yeast infection. pretty much ANY platoon will fall back in a panic if you as much as hit one guy. and we're not talking here of domestic ra-ra-ra-i'm-so-bad-i-gotta-wear-a-mask cowardlice. even "battle hardened" "afghanistan veterans" are the same shit.
mp_en_viaje: "oh, any man's wrist will be stiff after emptying a desert eagle magazine" "dude, if you've emptied the magazine you're a war hero, wtf, you killed two platoons" "no you don't actually hit" "what ?" "you miss, see" "why the fuck are you shooting then ?!" "isn't that what you do ?" "yes dumbo, it's what i do. it's not what you do, get lost."
mp_en_viaje: if you don't know who you're shooting at you don't have grounds to be shooting.
mp_en_viaje disdains today as always disdained the negro / usigistani notions of "spray and pray" mac-10 is da shit nonsense.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-29 19:19:26 asciilifeform: .45 is imho pretty good , of the historic calibers. usually subsonic right outta the box, even (i.e. silenceable)
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1939063 << yup, entirely wouldn't change anything about it even today. .45 is perfectly fine for standard issue / crowd control, .50 in zirconium loadout is perfect for armored / hardened targets such as any moron self-centered enough to wear a vest, helicopters / "armored vehicles" in urban settings etc.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-29 19:17:14 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the colt acp also afaik uncommon outside of north amer
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1939057 << no fucking way, most of my arsenal in the 90s was .45 and .50. "wtf is this 9mm, what are you, a cop ?"
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-29 19:13:59 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: just about 100% a basement-built , fire-from-open-bolt design ( these are Officially proscribed in usa even when half-auto , so unlikely to be industrially-baked )
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1939050 << pretty sure the nigger-famous macs are open bolt.
mp_en_viaje: 1938 okh'd have worn for cock ornaments goering an' his merry band of drunks and societal rejects inside the week, what the fuck were all these people thinking ?!
mp_en_viaje: nevertheless opt to not bring the army out and clear them off, but instead retire. he's an army fucking officer, from the prussian school, since when the fuck he opts to ~run away leaving enemy in possession~ instead of deploying ~superior force~!
mp_en_viaje: Y WERE ALL WHORES. i thought this ~because you literally said so in writing holy shit what the fcuk~
mp_en_viaje: or, for that matter, even seemingly simpler questions : why the fuck would a man who was ~faslely~ accused of THE BAD by some schmuckturds barely perceptible above that chick from fizesu' gherlii who also had prior fucked up his boss for marrying a whore -- seriously now, I THOUGHT THE
mp_en_viaje: so what exactly happened, how the fuck did the ~extremely civilised~ germans, who if convened today would laugh with every hole at the "washington correspondent's dinner" FOR CAUSE, end up throwing stones at people's windows that they actually very much respected privately...
mp_en_viaje: much like the ~same retard's "science" model produces golf clubs out of whatever you feed it.
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile the retards idly posing as scholars's naive read would readily decide "misogyny!!!" if applied to trilema.
mp_en_viaje: but it seems to the actually competent scholar self-obvious that there's equivocation in the source material : that the autors speak of "jews" in the general ~deliberately~ and ~awaredly of the fact~ that it's a pars pro toto deal and they're specifically exclusing some if not most.
mp_en_viaje: c) the jews themselves are, obviously, as inconceivably stupid as always, i won't belabour the point of these morons, who finally got to make themselves a country and made it red-tape sovok socialism atop turkish legal system ffs.
mp_en_viaje: the very officers ranting about the evil jews wilfully respected jewish veterans, promoted jewish officers, threw a fit if they were sidelined and so the fuck on.
mp_en_viaje: b) at a personal and microsocial level, jews were very well inserted, and well respected. even the most rabid of the [retrospectively read as] "antisemites" of the period make distinctions (very much on the pattern of "all the cunts are whores except for mom" ; "all tjhe jews are vermin except for my bff shclomo")
mp_en_viaje: but as factual matters : a) jews had lived for a long time in germany, and prospered there, and were throughout upstanding pillars of the community, unmistakably.
mp_en_viaje: it's not exactly clear to me what the fuck happened, to be honest. (then again i have a score of these wonderments, "why the hell did the sovok intelligentsia give up" was even aired a coupla times)
bvt: germans are taught nowadays that they were all victims of evil nazis, and imprison anyone who was close enough to KZs back in the day, but at least older generation would still tell stories about their fathers when drunk (i have only second-hand recollections though)
mp_en_viaje: at the time hitler was a struggling painter / vagabond / corporal 1st class, this guy was an aristocratic military commander, deeply respected socially.
mp_en_viaje: this i think they mostly renouned meanwhile (or stopped admitting publicly, or whatever, people are weird), and it's obviously fallacious. nevertheless, at the time it was social consensus, and therefore a very flimsy basis for either diagnosing insanity or "evil" in believers.
bvt: ah so, this is clear from the letter (and iirc you pointed it out in some of the trilema articles)
mp_en_viaje: which... i mean, for most of the 90s the koreans deeply believed that if one goes to sleep with a working fan in the room, the mechanical movement will somehow magically "suck the oxygen out" of the room leading to asphyxia.
mp_en_viaje: but actually the normal idea for the time and place.
mp_en_viaje: item is just one of the lulziest bits of a huge bundle of historical evidence deeply inconvenient to the pantsuit socialists, because it quite clearly proves hitler's purported antisemitism as not merely a received idea, which didn't belong to him personally anymore than the notion that the string "sun" is how you describe the closest star belongs to you,
bvt: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1939005 << i can see the point of 'only man can be caring' in that letter, but tbh the 'cunts/prostate' one totally elides me.
mp_en_viaje: and for the hebrew speaking club, here's a little chortle : what's a mishmishtara ?
asciilifeform: collection says moar about ameritard audience than about any given subj. there were half a dozen tomes on e.g. summoning devils, cultivation of opium, etc. for erry 1 that contained ~reality-applicable trivia
asciilifeform always wondered whether this and similar publishers, printed such marvels as 'course of cryptography' where caesar's cipher was presented as state of art, or the various 'wonderful explosives in kitchen' schemes ~guaranteed to homogenize the experimenter , at usg behest, or via the ample ameri-supply of naturally occurring idjicy
BingoBoingo: AHA, tyvm
asciilifeform: ( and, lulzily, what was 1nce '31337 w4r3z' is nao hosted by the beast itself on national archive www...