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ascii_field: the callgraph thing is
a straight 'travelling salesman' problem
jurov expects
a discovery that satoshi cast and called functions from void*
danielpbarron: on the topic of time and the pogo, I should point out that I recently had to update the time on my blue pogo (the one i'm using as
a web server / irc client) because it had drifted from the real time by as much as
a quarter hour in the few months it had been running continuously
trinque: I wrote
a thing that did
a force directed graph for an ebnf once
trinque: can change attraction params on
a node, so on
trinque: ascii_field: it's gonna take something where you can grab
a node and have it trace only that one
flabkebab: So I've been having
a go at the callgraph thing
danielpbarron: i have not noticed the "network test" except that my actual full nodes sometimes differ by (sometimes rarely) as much as
a few dozen blocks before eventually settling in on the true height. My transaction sending has been uneffected.
trinque: "Warning! this transaction is
a double spend. You should be extremely careful when trusting any transactions to/from this sender."
shinohai: Then I'll have to buy
a cow. Or marry one.
mircea_popescu: nobody realises they live in
a house of shit until they try to go out the door
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i think
a few people are trying, but yes, as trinque says
trinque: ascii_field: I spent
a good part of last evening working on it
ascii_field: because no one seems to be giving
a flying fuck
mircea_popescu: are you providing
a "mp satisfaction guarantee" with it ?
assbot: I took
a loan at 25% on prosper and put it on ltc - panic attack from the price going down : litecoin ... (
http://bit.ly/1IHx47D )
mod6: I'm currently
a bit distracted. I'll re-read all of this discussion on my way back and think about it.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: where was your article with the boy, gurl, two frag grenades, and
a length of twine ?
ascii_field: not
a bad test of how 'bulletproof' mircea_popescu's new fleet of boxes is ?
jurov: folks. "hackedteam" leak is 99% downloaded, but i don't really have
a place to publicly host it
shinohai: Was waiting on
a reply email. I filled out form but was unsure if it was accepted.
mircea_popescu: decimation that's ok, we have
a good sense of humour about it.
ascii_field: and will fail to be externally reachable at all
a good chunk of the time
mircea_popescu: o wait, that was
a DIFFERENT liberal professor bitching abotu the hell of their own making
ascii_field: may as well ask him (her!) to set up
a gentoo
mod6: maybe you set your router to respond to this? i dunno. was
a passing thought.
ascii_field: seems like
a sure way to end up with wild numbers
mod6: but... if it's behind
a NAT< then you can control the default route
mod6: it returns
a timestamp
trinque mutters about there being low-frequency radio time signals passing through his body this moment, and cannot find
a single distributor for
a sane, cheap usb receiver
ascii_field: realize, i don't have
a better solution than ntp. but it has to be done sanely (no dns; builds under musl or uclibc; doesn't introduce more than
a few dozen lines of code; and picks from $bigint ip on powerup; and sanity-checked from blockchain )
ascii_field:
a faux blockchain is considerably more of an undertaking to arrange
ascii_field: the only folks willing to sign ntp (for
a fee!) is us navy
decimation: well, it's
a separate question about signed ntp requests
decimation: might as well buy
a telescope and start with your navigation tables
ascii_field: ntp from random selection among 1,000 ip (not dns, but ip) ntp nodes, PLUS sanity check using blockchain, could be
a practical answer.
jurov: just
a ting that issues one packet, receives one and shuts itself
mircea_popescu: i;m not
a great fan either ; nevertheless i suspect it is
a marginally better solution than the current best which is "just taker block".
mircea_popescu: jurov i mean, pogo asks for ntp time, malicious server sayus "ask
a.b.c.d" pogo asks.
decimation: I guess I percieve the reliance on an ntp server for time as being
a much smaller attack surface than relying on operating bitcoind nodes for sync
mircea_popescu: what, you think 1k is
a barrier ? 1mn is
a barriere. maybe. 1k is not
a barrier.
ascii_field: the 100 usd 'pc engines' board i mentioned
a few weeks ago does.
ascii_field: without turning it into
a shittier version of the $150 box phoundation et al have
ascii_field: trinque: please understand, for this cost you can ship
a pc!
trinque: spend more on
a heavy night drinking
mircea_popescu: i don't feel too good about asking people who trust me to put
a box on the net that's open to flooding people.
ascii_field: but yes, if using block timestamps, pogos can only be mislead, cannot mislead others (unless some fool were to mine via 'getwork'-ing
a pogo!)
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: we were discussion
a variant where nodes ask one another
ascii_field: as mircea_popescu points out, 'once' is
a many-time thing here
mircea_popescu: he has
a point, he ~can~ sync like that, but only provided he actually did the measurements as to which star himself.
decimation: I can tell him that
a mutually observable passing of mercury in front of
a star will be at 6pm
mircea_popescu: there's no "truthful" means to breach
a convention by getting the REAL reality of it. just like you can't deduce
a girl out of her panties.
ascii_field: decimation measures the time, by observing
a pulsar
decimation:
a political fiction that for the time being is tied to observable astronomic phenomenon
ascii_field: realize that earth time is
a political fiction
mircea_popescu: i do not dispute they exist. what i said, again, was that if you use
a nist table you're basically querying ntp.
mircea_popescu: decimation what i said was that if you use usg-supplied cutouts for that reduction, you're just doing
a roundabout ntp call. might as well ask directly
ascii_field: don't even need hitler there. just
a kid with an sdr card
ascii_field: there is no widespread custom of isp running
a time server
decimation: well, there is such
a thing as signed ntp
BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> so now we're asking for
a non-retarded complete reimplementation of ntp. << reimplemented, can't guarentee not retarded in its own way
mircea_popescu: unless you discover
a more precise clock, and keep it from the enemy, such that you can exploit his misclicks and take his women
ascii_field: but the mystery of building
a non-usg and non-usg-pushable political clock remains, afaik,
a mystery
ascii_field: jurov: it is at least theoretically possible to build
a non-usg network
ascii_field: punkman: we were contemplating
a hypothetical clockless blockchain
punkman: mircea_popescu: this dies, because you will find
a random block which is 00000000000000000000000000000f and game over. << this is incorrect. you don't infer the target from the hash. 256bit target is included in all block headers.
mircea_popescu: no, we're friends with hilbert, and i don't think it's
a bad idea, either.
ascii_field: yes, possibly i triggered somebody's allergy by mentioning
a maths dude
ascii_field: when you ~actually~ (vs. academitard-pretend) nail something down - that is
a reduction in complexity.
ascii_field: (presently, it is
a scalar; but doesn't have to be)
ascii_field: methinks we're at the point here where one could actually build
a mathematical thing
ascii_field: could one design
a system where fucking the lizards is always +ev ?
mircea_popescu: not that bitcoin doesn't centralize,
a little. but this is criminal.