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mircea_popescu: phf if this is hacking btw... the girl i fucked this morning is a space shuttle.
mircea_popescu: i guess this reduces to a version of the marx sense, except exactly the one he didn't like.
mircea_popescu: so you know, guy who no-one knows, who'd damned better fit in, because nothing's ever fitting TO them. which is why all this spamolade in various flavours is so appealing to them.
mircea_popescu: (literally, this, by the way - many years ago back in cluj the local suit factory ACTUALLY made their suits after me.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform alone in the sense of fitting, how shall we put this... my shoes are made for my foot. their shoes are copied from my shoe.
mircea_popescu: wtf was it called, back in the day reddit was ~child porn and digg ruled the same space.
mircea_popescu: phf hey, there was a one quarter back years ago when this one guy made an absolute killing from some sort of "new up and coming" thing that did a social media skin over blind clicking.
mircea_popescu: i dun think i ever clicked an ad either. nowadays we have the terminology to properly formalize this : people who are so low on the wot scale of things they're used to being forever alone can not by that very fact possibly have the sort of social clout that'd allow them to control enough resources that'd make anything we care about relevant to them.
mircea_popescu: there i sat and wondered, much like you do above, who's in the target for this.
mircea_popescu: i dunno if you recall that facebook gimmick where some derp supposedly trolled his roommate by controlling his ad flux ?
mircea_popescu: by now facebook is running the same scam for a new generation of idiots, with ~ the same results.
mircea_popescu: supposedly google ads perfect for this purpose. in theory, of course. practice....
mircea_popescu: but ask 30yo ukr chix what was life like in khrakov's campus/red quarter cca 1990s.
mircea_popescu: nobody ever went broke overestimating the idiocy of the consumer. kinda why the whole charaqde has to end, idle, disinterested, ignorant stupidity on such scale can scarcely be maintained.
mircea_popescu: heck, people enter into 30 year mortgage agreements with 5 year fixed interest rate!
mircea_popescu: "what's the bargain, i lube up and you fuck me raw ?" "ayup" "where's my pen!"
mircea_popescu: i dunno if anymore, but you should have seen spammer inbox a decade ago.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i know for a fact people do. and yes it is exactly spam, and people clikc that, too.
mircea_popescu: ha! it should be exact equivalent : you know what the site sells (or it should).
mircea_popescu: try to match the results with ~any sort of online advertising approach and then we can compare what writing ten lines of bash costs vs whatever "online campaign management" set you back. lel.
mircea_popescu: and to top the irony cake - exploit traffic beats the socks off anything anyone can buy. take the very openly public literotica thing as an example, it got clicked in the 1.5% range! like it's 1996 all over again! and people comment and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: unthinkable back in the enchanted 2000, when ~any paysite had 10k pageviews and 10k revenue or 100k pageviews and 100k revenue, scaling 1:1 like glued together.
mircea_popescu: by now google is pushing for 10-25 cent clicks as a minimum, but not only are clickthroughs way down there under 0.1%, cpa/ctr relation is entirely broken. get ten million clicks and sell two garden gnomes.
mircea_popescu: part of it, of course, being that they're caught in the trap "online media" sites were caught a decade prior. back in 2005 google ads were sought out because the yahoo wannabe yahoos had ridoinculous shit like "80 bux cpm" in their "sheets", while ctrs were dropping through the 1% floor.
mircea_popescu: i was like "hey, show me some stats" "uh... i think i have some from like 2013..." "wtf"
mircea_popescu: back in 2005 everyone i knew bought google, and getting banned was like suicide. then in 2010 the lazier / older bought and the younger wolves were moving on. last year [when i was doing eulora marketing] i couldn't find anyone i knew who bought google ads.
mircea_popescu: it's one thing to have low margins, where you can barely justify the equipment and workforce. it's another to have no market.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would an advertiser pay for this i have no idea, but teh google is mining it to the hilt. and i suspect they're either going to get usg payola or start reporting ever-worsening quarters because they moneyz just isn't there anymore.)
mircea_popescu: (they're in total lulzy overdrive, by the way. system with nothing but a certain webhost cookie got shown adds for THAT webhost 975 times / 1000 and 25 times to other webhosts ; then with consumer interest single cookie (waldorf astoria) got shown 1000/1000 waldorf astoria ads.
mircea_popescu: as if redditard's notion of anonymous and google's notion of fully known are incompatible or someshit.
mircea_popescu: 2008 to 2016 is 8 years, ie, more than the "cumulative experience" of pretty much every "online team"
mircea_popescu: anyway, this anecdote certainly gives a good trashing to the whole "gotta upgrade" blabla. why, for "security" ? glhf, the log's chock full of lolz @wp blogs. for what, "looks" ? yarly, i've yet to see that many better looking blogs.
mircea_popescu: come to think of it, trilema prolly takes the cake for longevity - it's running "You are using WordPress 2.7. Please Update." bolted shut back in 2008. notwithstanding ~numerous~ attempts, never been owned, either.
mircea_popescu: yeah me either. jus' a stray thought, fully argued i'd say.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the other point being that there's no requirement for any actual heavy lifting work be done - take flask, read through it once, snip idiocies, put it in v and voila, official tmsr boost.
mircea_popescu: poorly designed, impredictable random tools actually induces similarity of behavior. it is technically speaking a free fuzzer for teh enemy.
mircea_popescu: different topics here tho. standard of behaviour is one thing ; standard of tools is another. a good set of standard tools is what allows variance of behaviour.
mircea_popescu: actually, it's not even trivial to do a count - i left out trinque and jurov for instance. that makes it 7. it's prolly more like 80% than any specific number.
mircea_popescu: anyway. tis true the web is not terribruy high priority. it's also true we use it lots.
mircea_popescu: mike_c he prolly got a version off 3.5 inch diskettes.
mircea_popescu: no but by now this jus' keeps growing, and the solutions are exactly that. trilema runs on an ancient thing called "wordpress". etc.
mircea_popescu: if i make alf spend an hour fucking around with python, that's an hour.
mircea_popescu: well the other thing is that a guy who can do a spiffy web framework couldn't necessarily do gpg arcana or c++ nonsense in bitcoind.
mircea_popescu: so far it's you, phf , ben_vulpes , mod6 , asciilifeform running sites not to mention teh bloggers.
mircea_popescu: it may be cheaper to have a coupla make a package and that's that.
mircea_popescu: course, at some point if 12 people bring up and then maintain sites,
mircea_popescu: something like phuctor runs might be packageable for instance.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, do we want to make a standard web framework ? so people can put up sites a la boost except not retarded ?
mircea_popescu: notably enough, this does not mean the converse (ie, that 44% are seen for over 5 seconds). it just means that we know for a fact 56% of online advertising budgets are wasted ; the remainder are also wasted but that fact not so easily known.
mircea_popescu: in entirely unrelated news from 2012 : "By measuring the statistics of more than 1.5 billion ad impressions per day, it was possible to understand deeply how different websites perform. Some of the high level results: 38% of the ads are never in view to a user 50% of the ads are in view for less than 0.5 seconds 56% of the ads are in view for less than 5 seconds"
mircea_popescu: who the fuck would EVER want a cache for passwd calls omfg.
mircea_popescu: 0 actuallyt crashes and burns tho ; 1 just carries on meaninglessly.