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ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-05 01:30:10 asciilifeform: all chans synced (was 1st class bitch, 100% bare
teeth)
mp_en_viaje: but
this isn't
the kind of
thing were
they may be permitted
to walk away without bringing money from home.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 23:47:17 asciilifeform: imho
the smart
thing
to do is
to exhaust erry possible avenue for making working silk purse from
the existing sow's ear before spinning globe.
mp_en_viaje:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940517 <<
this is reasonable. maybe once outage is actually resolved, forward
them something like "look,
this is how much i settled on my customers for outage costing, 50% discount on your bw price for next month will very much help". let
them feel
the burn of
their own idiocy in
their pocket. if
they pay, okay, if not
they clearly intend
to continue in
the same vein so what
diana_coman: I suppose my limitation/narrower viewpoint might come at
times from not really granting everything
the infinite set of axes, yes; on looking at it,
there's no reason
to limit it upfront like
this, no.
mp_en_viaje: or at least could be, or could come
to be, or be said
to be or etcetera. very greek-like approach
to
the problem.
diana_coman: but you are right in
that indeed, any distinct sets are effectively opposite with
the symmetry point somewhere in between
diana_coman: I can see it;
there's no limitation due
to axes, it's n-dimensional space so infinity of axes
mp_en_viaje: though in general conversation rather circles
the shared points problem, because obviously
two subsets of
the universe will have ~some~ shared points in ~some~ view. but
then
the invalidation of
the view becomes
the point, constructing discourse. because obviously man must pick some views.
mp_en_viaje: as far as i'm concerned, any
two subsets of
the universe
that have no shared points are in principle opposite, and
the symmetry point is
to be established
through conversation if interesting.
mp_en_viaje: your notion is exactly my notion, "subset of same set"
translates as "they're
the same
thing" as in, "measures of x coord".
then you emphasize giving
the symmetry point, where i couldn't care less. and BECAUSE your notion of opposite requires a given symmetry point,
then
therefore your notion of "what
the set may be" is limited
thereby, so it'll be
things like "measures of coordinates" or such narrow
things. whereas my set i
diana_coman: or of y or of z or of *something*
that is same
though
diana_coman: no;
they are both measures of x coordinate
mp_en_viaje: same
thing as in, "they're both numbers" ?
diana_coman: -3 on an axis is
the opposite of +3 on
the same axis
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje:
they have
the axis in common, not
the value
mp_en_viaje: but saying -3 and +3 "have 3 in common" directly leads
to nonsense.
diana_coman: because
to me no shared elements means simply distinct, not opposite
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: ah, I see; I can work with
the set-theory, just not
the one I directly reach for when "opposite"
mp_en_viaje: i use
the set-theory basis for "opposite", yes.
two subsets of a set are opposite if
they have no shared elements. i'm not entirely sure how
to construct an algebraic notion of "opposite"
that's not immediate nonsense.
diana_coman: I don't see it; owning is
the opposite of not owning; in as much as borrowing is not owning,
there's
the opposite; ducks don't enter into it
mp_en_viaje: well, are you proposing
that "owning
three ducks" and "having borrowed
three ducks
that you have
to repay" have "three ducks" in common ?!
diana_coman: uhm, opposite is same
thing, different sign, no?
mp_en_viaje: i have a lot more in common wit ha woman
than with most other
things.
mp_en_viaje: "he had it, he lost it, he never got it back". attempts
to "intelectual" himself by
the breeches, doesn't lift.
mp_en_viaje: but yes, post kill bill
tarantino ===
tarkovsky.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman,
to me it seems ~guaranteed~
to happen if
truly "exactly opposite"
mp_en_viaje: no, see on my credit pulp fiction,
true romance, both jackie brown and foxy brown (in
this order)
diana_coman: but you see,
there is precisely
that, basically what you call post kill-bill
tarantino ->
tarkovsky and it's dubious
that such
thing happens if really "totally
the opposite"
mp_en_viaje: a, no.
tarantino in my mouth strictly means pre kill bill.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, are you
talking of post kill-bill
tarantino ? because in
that we agree, i banned him.
mp_en_viaje: "oh, you'll understand by yourself" "of course i will, bitch. and i do not need you for
this, or even permit you
to live after"
mp_en_viaje: tarkovsky understands ~nothing, and
then shoots static scenes for hours.
mp_en_viaje: tarantino both understands, and
then ~perfectly~, with no remainder narrates, extremely intricate social points.
mp_en_viaje: to me
they seem exact polar opposites. consider... i dunno, consider his rendition of
the stupid white man, as seen in dennis hopper's character in
true romance. dude EXACTLY GETS IT,
there he sits, "enslaved on a continent his fathers fought
to conquer",
the moron incarnate. he "did
things his way" or whatever
the fuck it is he did, became an alcoholic. now lives in a container next
to a railway and other piled ifnrastructu
diana_coman: heh;
to me
they are really following own specific way of showing stuff; both are
to some extreme and can be labelled idiotically
mp_en_viaje: the antitarantino, literally. where
tarantino unders
diana_coman: dunno, on
the same approach I could add
tarantino really
mp_en_viaje: he's on
the same banned imbeciles index, with ben stiller and
the 80s "careerwomen quality holywood" idiots, demi more & co.
mp_en_viaje: solaris specifically, i didn't look at any others after
that.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: do you
think same of ~all
tarkovsky's films or just specifically solaris?
mp_en_viaje: like in
that solaris nonsense. i
thought it was unspeakably stupid when it came out ; i still do -- but i am starting
to suspect it's not stupid because of itself ; but instead because of
the subject matter. in itself, exact blueprint of muscovite.
diana_coman: anyway, anyone able
to actually do something useful is someone I want
to
talk
to, yes.
mp_en_viaje: atm i dunno i'd
trust anyone from russia or recommend anyone move
there.
the one
time
this happened it blowed up in such a sickly manner, i absolutely don't want
to spend
the significant resources involved in dealing with
the clean-up. as far as anyone knows, moscow's bogon-radioactive
ossabot: Logged on 2018-07-04 12:23:48 mircea_popescu: it makes a very in interesting point re "cultural wars" and "rock and roll killed
the soviet union", namely,
that cca 1950
the su was winning
the cultural war, very much so,
the larger of
the "allies",
the most accomplished, sending dogs in space and building
the new frontier
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 23:41:49 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: re ru -- also looked into. has certain problems (planet's most fascist customs; and chinese-style 'national firewall' among'em) but dunno how relevant in practice, a local with good social engineering acumen could prolly finesse,
to some degree. (problem is
that we aint got one such)
mp_en_viaje: in fairness poland rather similar,
too. but negligible gaps
there, no gaps here.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 23:37:49 asciilifeform: usa is
the 1 place where folx go around in motorized fatchairs errywhere
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 23:32:29 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: back in '17 when dulap-I crater was still smoking , asciilifeform wanted
to
try ro . but mp_en_viaje said
that it was poor site, and i'm inclined
to
think
that he had good reason
to say
this.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 23:25:03 BingoBoingo: Not Equinix, but indistinguishable
to my eyes
mp_en_viaje: ow, half a year later,
that anyone anywhere actually believes norway is a rich country. i've not encountered poverty like
that since egypt, yet people actually believe
this,
that norwegians are not
the bottom of
the desperation pile.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-02-11 23:46:30 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's dumber, schmuck's like "hi
there, i r anon please delete my name". how fucking stupid does he need
to be, "anon" is not listed
there.
mp_en_viaje: the more "advanced" "progressive" shitholes are even
trying
to ~legislate~ an
imaginary ~obligation~
to help
the deluded maintain
their delusions, spawning all sort and manner of "careerwomen", ninjashoguns etcetera
thereby.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-05 01:38:54 BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Criteria 1 was no nato, russia, or china. Asia sucked and charged incredibly for international conenctivity. Africa is Africa. Inside Latam
the options with independently owned datacenters were Brasil and Uruguay. Brasil's paperwork culture appeared even more soviet
than Uruguay's with additional visa/residency hoops.
mp_en_viaje: THEN
the correct move is
towards an ixp.
there's
thousands of
these (eg
bcnet-operated VTE).
mp_en_viaje: if indeed
the observations are
that 1. "non-nato" is meaningless, contemporary fucktard mindset is socialism anyways everywhere ; AND 2.
the
true problem for republican isp is actually clean bw, which "datacenters" fail
to provide,
mp_en_viaje: anyway,
to get back
to it : what 2 years has (perhaps) done is given us some real world data, such
that we can compare
the list of criteria we originally abstractly derived from our own imaginations and best intentions, with
the story of how well
they worked out in practice.
mp_en_viaje: this is a judgment much akin
to, "look, in your locale enel spa is
the energy provider, monopoly by law, you're buying energy from
them" "i'd have
to look for my contract" "no, actually, you don't have
to. i can
tell you from
ten
thousand miles away, on
this basis"
mp_en_viaje: i do not believe it is possible
the dc in question has any kind of alternative, on
the simple basis of
their asn being shown
to peer with nobody other
than antel, which is specifically uruguay's state monopoly on data
transport.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-05 01:27:12 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i suppose
the next step is
to go
through
the list of ixps see where you can sit.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 23:18:11 asciilifeform:
http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940478 << it's been 2+y since
the last dig.
there's gotta be ~something~ resembling competition, at
the level below
the orcish national
thing. ( fwiw
the dc routing cabinet was a glass item and
there were defo several groups of panels in it, hanging off what seems like physically distinct fibers
to street )
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 22:39:18 BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Criteria 1 was no nato, russia, or china. Asia sucked and charged incredibly for international conenctivity. Africa is Africa. Inside Latam
the options with independently owned datacenters were Brasil and Uruguay. Brasil's paperwork culture appeared even more soviet
than Uruguay's with additional visa/residency hoops.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If get into dulap
through
the shared box, .239 is available
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Can you ssh into
the shared box?
BingoBoingo: If Chile was a bit further north, and either got rid of
the Andes or found Atlantic instead of Pacific coast it could have maybe been an option.