asciilifeform: iirc not inline with text?

asciilifeform: it was really killed by 'i want graphical snatch'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if that were enough, gif would have died

asciilifeform: so it pulled in the whole shebang.

asciilifeform: was sorta stuck with it, because the rfc4880 parser was a python lib, and i did not have time to write one from scratch.

asciilifeform: aha, i used it

asciilifeform: (per http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504493 ) ☝︎

asciilifeform: 'MIT researchers devise a secure anonymity network that’s 10x faster than Tor' << FASTER!11111 so that you can broadcast your keystroke timings!!

asciilifeform: now this, yes.

asciilifeform: i was specifically speaking of schema design.

asciilifeform: Framedragger: this may very well turn out to be an ai-complete program, because most gigantic db have various optimizations for speed, that do not map in a straightforward way to display.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it doesn't matter what you hang off pci, there is a ~10x variance of front-side vs back-side bus

asciilifeform: ^

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ~1 order of magnitude diff.

asciilifeform: the more i think about it, the more the static thing seems like the correct pill.

asciilifeform: my best thought so far is the nightly static html thing.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: seeking. but really i'd rather optimize the proggy than add to the (already gigantic) recurring cost.

asciilifeform: in some ways it was closer to the hypothetical item in this thread than any variant of www.

asciilifeform: anyone ever tempted to revive gopher ? ☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: trinque: which it ?

asciilifeform: browser is profoundly brain-damaged by design.

asciilifeform: even if you expel the vermin, the medium is still verminiferous.

asciilifeform: this is almost the c machine thread again.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i will note that this was theoretically the promise of ~every 'framework' ever published, but each and every single one cancerously deviated from it

asciilifeform: shinohai ^

asciilifeform: 'the meaning DAO's contract' --> 'the meaning of DAO's contract' ??

asciilifeform: it pulls in the crud and lacks anything like 'USE' flags to kill it

asciilifeform: unlike gentoo.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've not yet succeeded in setting up a 100% de-drepperized openbsd.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm not convinced of this

asciilifeform: http://weitz.de/hunchentoot

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: afaik the lisp folks here are all using hunchentoot

asciilifeform: but i'm not averse to doing the chore when it comes time.

asciilifeform: well i've no reasonable os to plant it in, that would justify it

asciilifeform: www server doesn't do much.

asciilifeform: it is probably the ~least~ complicated piece, actually.

asciilifeform: lel

asciilifeform: i doubt that apache will fare any differently.

asciilifeform: so far every rock i turn over has 10,000,001 worms under it.

asciilifeform: for some reason we went for 25 years and no such thing ever appeared...

asciilifeform: without my or anybody else having to sit there and write a table shitter

asciilifeform: the ~sane way to do wwwtronics would be a thing that would, when given a db made with particular constraints, cleanly present it wwwtronically.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu et al are invited to make an actual list of urgent missing knobs

asciilifeform: i dun like state.

asciilifeform: so we lose the realtime display.

asciilifeform: GB-sized csv ?

asciilifeform: and to have the ability to introduce new ones quickly.

asciilifeform: for instance, one of my 'wish list' features is to have separate exhibits for different kinds of braindamage - mirror, nonprime e, etc

asciilifeform: i would say that in the case of phuctor, they are not.

asciilifeform: processing and dissemination are not always separable.

asciilifeform: a whole gallery of same.

asciilifeform: and more of these, later, in l0gz.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: buncha machines, NOT on same subnet.

asciilifeform: during a run - most of it.

asciilifeform: in straight c.

asciilifeform: aha separate proggy.

asciilifeform: i need the memory for the gcd.

asciilifeform: (other than rss)

asciilifeform: and atm nothing is sorted.

asciilifeform: Framedragger: it is reasonably tuned.

asciilifeform: consider, rsa keys vacuumed up worldwide since... first clinton term

asciilifeform: with whole galley of interns to massage it.

asciilifeform: probably custom db, clusterized, etc. ☟︎

asciilifeform: i'll admit that i've wondered for a while, what the ft meade version of phuctor looks like. ☟︎

asciilifeform: it is also miserably slow and sequentially-blocking.

asciilifeform: still.

asciilifeform: afaik reiser is the champ.

asciilifeform: *algo is

asciilifeform: bernstein's also is, what was once called 'embarrassingly parallel'

asciilifeform: (16 cpu)

asciilifeform: of cpu also, but the box is well-equipped in that respect

asciilifeform: 'moral' of this thread is - phuctor stretches the limits of disk, fs, db, various shoddy duct tape that makes up modern kompyooooting shitsoup

asciilifeform: lolk

asciilifeform: goodnight Framedragger

asciilifeform: this made backups unmanageably slow.

asciilifeform: in old ver of phuctor they lived on fs;

asciilifeform: they live in db.

asciilifeform: they are not.

asciilifeform: EVERY time.

asciilifeform: if you want ZERO corruption, you gotta regen ALL state.

asciilifeform: this is the v state thread all over again.

asciilifeform: jurov: it does if i want a zero chance of corruption.

asciilifeform: nor am i interested in waiting for months for the conversion.

asciilifeform: i know of no file system that would not choke. ☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: because this would entail a page for EVERY key and fp

asciilifeform: problem is, phuctor unfortunately cannot be made 100% static

asciilifeform: well i ain't appending to anything

asciilifeform: trinque: sure

asciilifeform: EVERY 4 HRS.

asciilifeform: jurov: understand, there has to be a db, because ALL mods get bernsteined against ALL mods AND the 8ball.

asciilifeform: thing has cache right now but it is good for 10 min. / page.

asciilifeform: staticly.

asciilifeform: namely, all of the .html will be generated nightly.

asciilifeform: at a certain point i'ma have to make it a batch thing

asciilifeform: which is an order of magnitude slower than simply 'from hd'

asciilifeform: from db jurov

asciilifeform: trinque: the only one i know of that runs continuously without blackhole or other hiccup.

asciilifeform: linked from faq.

asciilifeform: (uses about 3-5% of ram)