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gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: but goddamnit I need interns. I got maxima loaded into my master lisp proc over the weekend and I'm going to play around with that whenever I have free time. ☟︎

gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: I should actually be cutting out options right now, but I'm instead drinking and browsing the net

gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: I did the project, they thought it had "too many options" so I'm cutting some out

BingoBoingo: <trinque> spamassassin raping my VPS << I don't find email important enough to not outsource

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BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> whatever, the point is that the structure is available for me to make arbitrary computations against << FYIAD, I don't need structure: I eat, hang, and burn

BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> "I don't want to see people who cite XYZ" << No who cites XYZ is how you make rope to hang

gabriel_laddel: "I don't want to see people who cite XYZ"

BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> trinque: I have a listing of programs associated with my PGP identity, you can make references to them, and people will be able to see them (or not) based on my trust relationship with them... << It is essential for WoT to exist that I can safely point at the enemy's words and bury them in sulfur

gabriel_laddel: it will evolve out of whatever the "networking" substrate ends up being and tbh, I don't see what the big deal is?

gabriel_laddel: trinque: I have a listing of programs associated with my PGP identity, you can make references to them, and people will be able to see them (or not) based on my trust relationship with them. Your "references" can be any arbitary computation, buut probably some standards will evolve (e.g., we don't check sexprs who pass some test of being a plist of the structure (:name ... :version ...)).

trinque: and I want to make reference to that, not copy it

trinque: yep, and I wanna poke someone's data set with something that specific

mircea_popescu: 50 times a day i go for it on random sites and they're too web 0.5 for it

mircea_popescu: tbh this extended hypertext thing i got on trilema kicks all imaginable butt

BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> I don't see how you'll be able to reference things on WoTnet further than "the joe I know with this pub key" << Publication. Paper and film only have the problem that they are slow and take too much volume for their information density. Why should machines not offer a path at least as safe.

trinque: mircea_popescu: indeed! I don't think gabriel_laddel sees what hypertext is

gabriel_laddel: I don't see how you'll be able to reference things on WoTnet further than "the joe I know with this pub key"

trinque: I want to make reference to your information, not host it

trinque: yep, that's sort of how I see them; this interface is butts, I would like to pretend it is not

gabriel_laddel: trinque: Right now I can press C-t m, pull up a "map" of all "research nodes" and "lessons" and right click to get a menu from which I can run the associated program.

assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 05:05:13; trinque: I've only so far written macros to deal with the hair of someone else's shit

trinque: gabriel_laddel: how do I refer to your CLOS object which represents a paper you have written? I would like to direct people to it from my CLOS object representing a blog post.

pete_dushenski: i think the rice was paper now

mircea_popescu: i'd expect.

mircea_popescu: saddest waste of a log reading ever i swear.

gabriel_laddel: ^ quote I was looking for

BingoBoingo: I have not seen a graphical WWW browser other than Dillo that does not execute any documents.

trinque: BingoBoingo: yeah I recall it

trinque: and that I can see is readily built on a proper lisp system

BingoBoingo: <trinque> anyhow, I have made myself sleepy. I think most here would be satisfied with a simple hypertext system to replace the JS monstrosity of today. << Gopher is beautiful

trinque: anyhow, I have made myself sleepy. I think most here would be satisfied with a simple hypertext system to replace the JS monstrosity of today.

gabriel_laddel will find nano LoC stats *after* I find the quote I am looking for.

BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> dunno what I'm missing here << All of the shit you want to hinge on this

BingoBoingo: <trinque> I am trying to make a point of BingoBoingo's lamentations << I grad school I was in serious discussions where we lamented fiber optic was not used for project film over hundreds of miles. ☟︎

gabriel_laddel: dunno what I'm missing here

gabriel_laddel: "Do I like this string, would I like more from the identity that produced it?"

trinque: I am trying to make a point of BingoBoingo's lamentations

trinque: why should I have to run a program *of yours* at all to get certain information from you?

trinque: gabriel_laddel: if I don't know you, I may still want to listen to you for a moment, to see what you're about

trinque: though I guess that's getting them into the assassination gig

trinque: I count that under "ad company"

trinque: surveillance apparatus as far as I can tell

pete_dushenski: “Some of them, really, is un-rapeable. I look at them and go, ‘No, you don’t want that.'” “If it was my daughter, then I would have killed Bill Cosby. But sitting back looking at it, I think it’s a money hustle.”

pete_dushenski: "[Damon] Wayans defended [Bill] Cosby. Among his comments: “I don’t believe he was raping. I think he was in relationships with all of them.” “If you listen to them talk, they go: ‘Well, the first time.’ The first time? Bitch, how many times did it happen?”

BingoBoingo: AND I am the one using ambiguous metaphores???

BingoBoingo: For a while I did girls for money, was a huge hassel, not worth it, because the girls were huge. Giggolo is a dead end.

gabriel_laddel: I fucking write "apps" for it now, for money.

trinque: ^ guy is just more interested in his lisp system than a particular app on it. I contend the mega-app on any computer now and in the future will be a hypertext system.

gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: I do?

mircea_popescu: if i want it to be able to do things with the text, then yes i want full ast bla bla.

assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 04:51:28; punkman: gabriel_laddel: I get your point but also, this kinda sounds to me like "don't use math symbols, write it all with the full power of english"

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267251 << moreover, if gpg messages were code rather than data i'd have gpg rewritten to a thing that keeps messages strictly as data. BingoBoingo exactly has it : there is no room nor need for every bit of text to be "really code". i want my nano to be UNABLE to do anything whatsoever with the text. which is why i use nano rather than emacs. ☝︎

BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> trinque: I don't see how this is a problem? << I am a librarian, a collector. I want to collect information without collecting a bunch of executable rat turds

gabriel_laddel: trinque: I don't see how this is a problem?

trinque: I see what's asked for there.

mircea_popescu: also i would like to point out that sex needs no pr.

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> it spills trans. << I though that was called prison???

trinque: meaning. today I google some nonsense and google gives me my propagandized results

trinque: how did I know I want your program?

gabriel_laddel: Sure, I send you a sexpr containing a program you can load.

trinque: so no, I don't think "run lisp program and open socket" is enough

gabriel_laddel: I don't get why I need another language?

gabriel_laddel: but I want the AST!

punkman: I think youtube-dl has the right idea. https://github.com/rg3/youtube-dl

trinque: I'm actually on-board that hypertext shouldn't specify executable code within

gabriel_laddel: unless I'm missing something big

trinque: BingoBoingo: he's talking about in the sort of XUL layer, if I understand firefox

punkman: gabriel_laddel: well even if you can translate all the worl'ds js to lisp, I still don't want any JS

BingoBoingo: trinque: Than do as I do, and don't run it.

trinque: BingoBoingo: I would much rather download someone's signed lisp program and run that locally than have this horrible half-creature that grabs code from everywhere, tries to "sandbox" it, and runs without so much as a gpg fart in the wind ☟︎

BingoBoingo: punkman: I'm liking Dillo a lot.

BingoBoingo: trinque: I may be drunk so I may not have started my objections at the right place. Whatever code you privately jizz onto servers is yours. Code you try to make other people execute is a crime.

trinque: punkman: yeah well I don't start with boil the ocean

trinque: but I've written some parenscript and it worked fine, and kept my brain from having context-switch fatigue

BingoBoingo: I'm not about to feed nytimes.com into anything that would do other than discard its JS

trinque: I tend to lean the way deedbot.org looks

BingoBoingo: trinque: I am referring to the latter in reference to gabriel_laddel's assertion javascript should be parsed at all.

trinque: I would agree that where the written word is concerned, please do not give me a single-page JS app

gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: I swear to you that you can input arbitrary strings in LISP.

gabriel_laddel: I cut 3 paragraphs from that quote, which are quite relevent to this conversation.

BingoBoingo: <trinque> XML syntax is a heinous misstep that affords little, demands much << It is, and When gabriel_laddel talks massamune unfortunately I read XML or XML with paren

gabriel_laddel: "On the historical evidence I shall be short. Carl Friedrich Gauss, the Prince of Mathematicians but also somewhat of a coward, was certainly aware of the fate of Galileo —and could probably have predicted the calumniation of Einstein— when he decided to suppress his discovery of non-Euclidean geometry, thus leaving it to Bolyai and Lobatchewsky to receive the flak. It is probably more illuminating to go a littl ☟︎

trinque: I've only so far written macros to deal with the hair of someone else's shit ☟︎

trinque: BingoBoingo: I would say mr gabriel_laddel has it, that all syntaxes can be done within the lisp system, and simultaneously you find that the vast majority aren't necessary ☟︎

gabriel_laddel: trinque: I got maxima loaded into my master lisp proc

trinque: BingoBoingo: not sure I hear the question

trinque: I taught someone a bit of scheme recently (alongside SICP) and used roughly that approach.

gabriel_laddel: trinque: at the beginning of (I'd assume "A Realistic Solution to the Education Problem" but don't see it there)?

gabriel_laddel: because you can always "open up" any "structure" and are guaranteed to get more of the same i.e., lisp, i.e., sexprs ☟︎

gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: meh, I'm done here, read more or something

punkman: gabriel_laddel: I haven't because I don't wanna emacs

punkman: gabriel_laddel: I get your point but also, this kinda sounds to me like "don't use math symbols, write it all with the full power of english" ☟︎

BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: If I want to print pretty papers I don't need, want, or desire turing complete postscript

BingoBoingo: I'm just wondering who at all should have to eat javascript asbestos to become a Great Red Dragon of the Information age.

BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: You have to understand I am appraoching this as a trained Librarian. Scripting is at best a form of highlighting (never a reason for broswerscript or postscript to be turing complete) Everything else it does is vandalism

gabriel_laddel: I don't know wtf textbook highlighting has to do with anything

gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: it is quite obvious that I've poorly expressed exactly why the web interface for Masamune exists.

gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: because I want your information pl0x and I'm not going to ask nicely.