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shinohai: @ ben_vulpes when you have time some evening I have
a very crude bash script I would like you to help me improve.
ben_vulpes: adlai: i dun much care one way or t'other, but if you don't want to get null-routed you're going to have to give more of
a shit about how the other people here judge your 'psychobabble'.
adlai: damnit mod6, isn't that
a fiat thing? someday trb should fix the calendar, too
adlai: ben_vulpes: so, see, that's
a tricky question. some people have told me that small offers are noise, and i intend to do roughly zero to address that complaint, because mpex accepts them, so they're signal. if you're asking about psychobabble - of course, although i'll use my judgement, which has been known to differ from that of other people.
adlai: danielpbarron: do you think online poker's target market overlaps this WoT? i'm trying to guage viability... plaintext WoT poker is
a weekend project, for me or any lurker looking for one.
adlai: ben_vulpes: no, i have
a death wish and can't translate sarcasm into text.
danielpbarron: there is plenty of online poker going on, it just isn't in
a WoT
adlai: "most" poker players will lose money, and that's fine. but the few that win it, will have no noobs to fleece, if nobody shows up after
a couple games.
adlai is not talking about collusion, but the reason people play poker to begin with: to feel like
a poker player (leaving aside the money aspect)
ben_vulpes: more relevantly to the problem, how would
a webpoker designer address collusion?
☟︎ adlai: still, even for people you know personally. isn't computerized interaction too low-dimensional to allow for interesting leakage in
a poker game?
☟︎ danielpbarron: coppers can be turned into satoshi, although it's not really worth making
a transaction over 0.0001 worth
adlai: for the purposes of this discussion, anything webby/graphic short of
a pgp-signed livestream is roughly equivalent to plaintext
assbot: Successfully added
a rating of 3 for mod6 with note: co-chair of trbf. gentleman.
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: b-
a became shark tank around the time kevin o'leary left cbc's dragon's den :P
adlai: the planet as
a whole is positive sum, except for brief instances that give enough of an artistic experience that they're worth more than the sunlight they obscure
adlai: but they're all positive-sum, because "feel like
a trader"
ascii_rear: adlai: there are no 'positive-sum' things on planet3, you gotta burn something (or push somebody out of
a sunbeam) to run
adlai: but i lack experience in both fields to make
a stronger statement.
ascii_rear: (the standard among connoisseurs appears to be - keyboard you can break
a skull with. but i say you oughta be able to break
a DOOR)
adlai: this is
a blog post, dissertation, or life's work... not ten hundred words on irc.
mircea_popescu: this is
a common delusion of the young. you will notice, nevertheless, that in general funds underperform.
adlai: hmm. honestly, i'm not enough of
a poker player to tell (see what i did there?) how this extends to card games.
adlai is not talking about 'manipulation', which doesn't exist anyway... that's
a fiat fiction
adlai has Come To Expect (tm) that nobody here shares any of the context which he relies upon, and henceforth [tries] to say pure signal, supported by maximal context, devoid of humor... it's less fun but let's give it
a try
adlai: (nor "dope", but that really is too long
a story, and resides "in another castle")
adlai: perhaps "depression" or "vexual" are not as monochrome as prices on
a ticker.
assbot: Logged on 20-12-2015 19:04:29; asciilifeform: 'every morning, when you wake up, look in the mirror; if you notice that you are not
a mircea_popescu,
ascii_rear: well for
a long time he posted interesting lispisms, etc. and then it was suddenly... Vexual
adlai: i'd put
a youtube link to "ideas are bulletproof", but conjuring assbot is noisier than letting people google/recall for themselves.
adlai: there is also miscommunication, exacerbated by the limitations of ascii (give or take
a unicode page)
mircea_popescu: anyway, perhaps because i've broken the stupid in too many slavegirls, or perhaps for whatever other reason, but the pattern's obvious to me. guy gets
a shot at working on mpex, blows it, out of dedication to protecting
a certain identity flaw. has shot at b-
a voice, blows it, out of same. will continue to blow everything in same manner for same reason indefinitely.
ascii_rear: but adlai is
a literate fella and seemingly oughta know better
ascii_rear: i see this mainly among folk who never learned to interact with their environment in
a mechanical way, and are stuck playing strictly by talking to people
adlai is not
a fan of directed acyclic graphs, where humans are concerned... age has improved his patience, but teen-adlai was really bad at this
mircea_popescu: so much fucking packaging and meta-packaging for, in the end, ~
a hundred pounds of organic turd.
ascii_rear: what happens to
a fella who 'experimentally verifies hierarchy' there
mircea_popescu: you happen to be the sort of misfortunate fucktard that grew up among idiots rather than parents, and as
a result are way too fixated on experimentally verifying this hierarchy thing and way too fascinated by the female "oh may gawd what if i sell myself short".
ascii_rear:
a boatload of folk are paid for, more or less, just this
adlai: let's say there's
a channel, #bitcoin-words, where blocks are broadcast stegodoodically. freenode lets it live. ditto for the hashtag, and the subreddit... but facebook suddenly closes down accounts that spam such words, even in private groups.
adlai: think of
a public btc stegotron as
a probe for "safe space"
adlai: ascii_rear: oh wait. remember "reveal themselves as tyrants"? that is the value of
a ~public~ btc stegotron, esp. one which flows through 'media'
adlai: anybody making half
a bitcent on bitbet knows this.
adlai leaves it there. someday if he picks up the meth pipe instead of the tankard, he'll whip together
a PoC... or if he found the shot glass instead, he'll find his way to
https://xkcd.com/simplewriter/ and tell people how he thinks they should build the system for passing computer money through the words that are said most often.
ascii_rear: standardized/public stego scheme is merely
a waste of bandwidth.
adlai repeats, for the less-alert lurkers: my +v is
a testament to the fact that money can be made on mpex.
adlai: what do i look like,
a bunch of text? i have eyes as well.
adlai: (also, an exercise in financial mathematics, for the truly alert lurker - how many times larger
a bankroll than $mpexRegistrationFee-$mpexReferralFee do you need for registration to be rational?)
ascii_rear: ergo
a 'canary' fueled with 0.5 btc is an exercise in self-delusion
ascii_rear: (how many times can you use, e.g.,
a pill against rsa ?)
adlai: hm. maybe i do? yeah... i was misinterpreting it as
a weapon which reveals its usage. headful of canaries...
ascii_rear: adlai:
a glass cannon is
a proverbial weapon that can be used exactly once.
mircea_popescu: the only thing that'd be interesting there is discovering
a supply chain attack.
adlai has typed
a btc hotwallet password into ssh-o-ssh, for canarification
ascii_rear: even keyed ssh often includes
a password
mircea_popescu: i dunno who'd use password-based ssh. then again that paper is from
a decade ago.
ascii_rear: as in, where you pass terminal input to
a process on
a remote box
mircea_popescu: who the fuck sends passwords over the wire one character at
a time is beyond the scope of this discussion/
ascii_rear: 'It is widely believed that 0.1 seconds is about the limit for the response time for
a user to feel that the system is reacting instantaneously [32]. Therefore in practice, the window size will have to be smaller than that. Our own experience with the Keyboard JitterBug shows that 20 ms is
a perfectly acceptable window size and this amount of added lag for each keystroke is effectively unnoticeable by the user.'
ascii_rear: dollars to doughnuts you will find
a signal at some point.
ascii_rear: ty mod6. re: 'jitterbug', could be interesting to wire up some consumer keyboards to
a thing that fakes
a press for each key and determines time-to-signal-on-the-wire.
ascii_rear: r link is encrypted. Our experiments suggest that simple Keyboard JitterBugs can be
a practical technique for capturing and exfiltrating typed secrets under conventional OSes and interactive network applications, even when the receiver is many hops away on the Internet.'
ascii_rear: Keyboard JitterBug that solves the data exfiltration problem for keystroke loggers by leaking captured passwords through small variations in the precise times at which keyboard events are delivered to the host. Whenever an interactive communication application (such as SSH, Telnet, instant messaging, etc) is running,
a receiver monitoring the host’s network traffic can recover the leaked data, even when the session o
ascii_rear: 'This paper introduces JitterBugs ,
a class of inline interception mechanisms that covertly transmit data by perturbing the timing of input events likely to affect externally observable network traffic. JitterBugs positioned at input devices deep within the trusted environment (e.g., hidden in cables or connectors) can leak sensitive data without compromising the host or its software. In particular, we show
a practical
ascii_rear still thinks it could be interesting to set up
a number of publicly identifiable (version patch) nodez and watch the enemy reaction
ascii_rear: nobody other than mircea_popescu (and napoleon?) ever rode on
a horse in egypt ?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: thestringpuller you hafta understand this "X is
a scammer" bullshit is pretty much ALWAYS some sort of entrenched structure trying to wash its sins on the cheap. oh, "madoff" scammed ? Really ? HE diod it ? not the 1k+ "experts" that recommended him to his clients etc ? not all the various "supervisors" and "authorities" ? it was... maddof ? << this is why goat et. al pumping pirate have vanished from existence.
adlai: hmm. is there
a way to `!rated somebody me` so assbot tells how they rated me?
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: Mebbe if you WoT'd the guy actually talk to him before joining
a rate frenzy? << I rated him based on multiple btc purchases, all of them went smooth. I haven't seen/talked to him for many moons. People change.
pete_dushenski: mod6: cheers. i'll give trinque's
a shot since i haven't started the build just yet. just populating .wot atm.
adlai: it's
a pink floyd thing
adlai: mircea_popescu: how many times do i have to tell you, dad, stop treating me like
a child!
shinohai: Also, thanks mod6 for help with signing script the other day, works like
a charm now.
assbot: Logged on 31-12-2015 19:00:53; adlai: re:litecoin and our dearly departed aryan posterchild for bitcoin entrepeneurship... "It has
a little value purely as
a backup blockchain in case some critical flaw destroys Bitcoin's blockchain (assuming the same flaw doesn't affect LTC)."
mod6: pete_dushenski: ah ok. cool then, but yeah, shinohai was right, there /are/ i386/i686 steps available - although, i think I haven't updated them since V became
a thing.
pete_dushenski: mod6: looks like that's what i WAS doing. taking
a crack from another angle now (debian 8 x86_64 bit)
assbot: Logged on 11-11-2015 17:42:47; ascii_field: 'Now the Sirens have
a still more fatal weapon than their song, namely their silence. And though admittedly such
a thing has never happened, still it is conceivable that someone might possibly have escaped from their singing; but from their silence certainly never.' (ol' franz k.)
mircea_popescu: the actual crystal ball involved is just
a bauble. could have been any random other item,
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller you hafta understand this "X is
a scammer" bullshit is pretty much ALWAYS some sort of entrenched structure trying to wash its sins on the cheap. oh, "madoff" scammed ? Really ? HE diod it ? not the 1k+ "experts" that recommended him to his clients etc ? not all the various "supervisors" and "authorities" ? it was... maddof ? fuck that.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i was thinking the other day. bitcoin just has scammers. just as the world is filled with worms. pirateat40 was very low IQ scammer. then mt. gox tried to hide
a little better not by alot.
shinohai: pete_dushenski: is this
a 32 bit machine?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller> BitGo says: "My personal view at this point is that it's more important that we successfully accomplish an intentional hard fork" << yes, it would be important for their self-validaiton. just like every pimply teenager is right in suspecting that the most important thing they could be doing for their own maturity is actually bedding
a woman already.
assbot: Logged on 22-12-2015 04:58:44; mircea_popescu: anyway, for pete_d and anyone else who might have encountered difficulty with trb or fears they might : it's actually rather painless. 1. you create an account on
a server ; 2. you cd /home/account_name ; 3. you create
a .wot directory (mkdir .wot) ; 4. you put the pubkeys of people you trust in there as name1.asc, name2.asc etc ; 5. you download the rotor script (curl deedbot.org/build-bitcoind-9999
adlai half-continues the altkoin thread: "Rejection reason: Coinmarketcap is not
a usable resolution source. Please resubmit with
a reliable source for such data if you can." << does anybody nominate more reliable sources?
adlai: ie, it has zero value as
a backup blockchain, because it's all the same code, only with fewer fixes and more "it wasn't broken, why did you fix it?"
adlai: re:litecoin and our dearly departed aryan posterchild for bitcoin entrepeneurship... "It has
a little value purely as
a backup blockchain in case some critical flaw destroys Bitcoin's blockchain (assuming the same flaw doesn't affect LTC)."
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