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fractal: mircea_popescu: maybe the deciders will read these logs and the conversation on the page and be influenced
Anduck: mircea_popescu: yeah, true. but that the bet shouldnt be failed due that.. they're all same modular cards that the mining unit is built from
fractal: mircea_popescu: which I think would make it a conflict of intrest for him to debate it -- I think 3rd parties who are neutral should strictly look at the language -- otherwise he can just say 'oh, thats not what i meant!' and fuck over the NO bets ;(
fractal: mircea_popescu: he claimes he wrote it
Anduck: mircea_popescu: what if nobody ordered one?
Anduck: mircea_popescu: how about if a 400gh unit was shipped this week but not delivered?
Anduck: mircea_popescu: true
Anduck: mircea_popescu: 25gh or 400gh
fractal: mircea_popescu: so you suggest cancelling bet buy betting on the other side ... the weight is too low though ;) i dont have enough BTC ;(
Anduck: mircea_popescu: true. but we don't know was the first orders (that were shipped this week) including a 400gh miner. but it's proven that it does work if one actually bought one
Anduck: mircea_popescu: 25gh sold for 1000 euros
Anduck: mircea_popescu: there is an example of 400 ghash unit but it was a demo, not delivered unit. but that can be delivered if anyone bought it. it's the same m-boards and h-boards.. just enough of them to make the hashrate of 400gh
fractal: mircea_popescu: i'm reading the bet cancellation policy link now... thanks
fractal: jborkl: I asked mircea_popescu this question , in the logs he said he'd like to see proof of a 400Gh unit as well as a 25Gh unit ... i dont have logs tho
Anduck: mircea_popescu: can the bets be canceled, then?
fractal: mircea_popescu: no, i'm not..... can both sides agree to cancel the bet?
ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdiv61SY3E1qksua0o1_500.jpg
fractal: Anduck: if i recall logs correctly, mircea_popescu stated a 400gh device would have to be proven.... i'll have to check logs again tho.
Anduck: mircea_popescu: the thing bfsb sold
Anduck: mircea_popescu: will there be needed a 400 gh unit delivered?
Anduck: mircea_popescu: it doesn't really matter since the customers get what they were promised. and in the future they might be able to turn their miners for even powerful miners with software update
Anduck: mircea_popescu: theyre underhashing most likely due to the quality of the fab and software
Anduck: atleast my 68 ghash at 53 W _from the wall_
Anduck: well mircea_popescu.. wasn't that kinda clear? if there's no cap of s.dice at mpex, it's same as zero cap
Anduck: mircea_popescu: when s.dice dropped out of MPEX, the value was considered zero?
Anduck: mircea_popescu: that log you linked is about the s.dice vs s.mpoe bet?
fractal: mircea_popescu: becaucause he could ship as much hardware to make up for it -- provided the power usage was low enough.... but I placed the bet based on Power usage AND hashrate in a single self-contained UNIT
kleeck: mircea_popescu, I rather enjoy what is coming of it.
fractal: mircea_popescu: right.... but in fairness, the bet doesn't say that the manufactuere can miss hashrate performance on a single 25Gh board, and ship more to make up for it!
fractal: mircea_popescu: yeah thats it...
mircea_popescu: Aug 27 17:28:43 <fractal>mircea_popescu: just double checking.
mircea_popescu: Aug 27 17:28:25 <mircea_popescu>fractal seems pretty clear cut neh ?
mircea_popescu: Aug 27 17:26:54 <mircea_popescu>(25 GH/s unit 40W, 400 GH/s unit 400W)
mircea_popescu: <fractal> Anduck: I came in here specifically to ask mircea_popescu and he said that a 400Gh 'UNIT' must exist --- based on the math, it can't <<< which snippet is this ?
fractal: Anduck: I came in here specifically to ask mircea_popescu and he said that a 400Gh 'UNIT' must exist --- based on the math, it can't
kleeck: I disagree mircea_popescu. I understand that there are situations, like this one, but there are ways of being more clear and less clear. Therefore clearity exists even if on a spectrum..
fractal: Anduck: yes. What the bet actaully SAYS matters more then statement -- I specifically came in here 2 days ago to ask mircea_popescu specifics about this
Anduck: if the _bet_ itself is a clear thing how it should be understood
Anduck: mircea_popescu: just a question, how much do the semantics affect the bet outcome?
fractal: Anduck: not according to mircea_popescu's comments 2 days ago.
Anduck: the customer promises _are_ met 100%
fractal: Anduck: mircea_popescu himself stated that it needs to be 400Gh AND under 400W. I have chat logs. it was from 2 days ago.
fractal: Anduck: Words are words. No 400Gh miner exists. mircea_popescu stated that one has to be posted to the forums as a confirmed delivery. the only way this bet can be a yes at this point is for someone to lie --
Anduck: and their kits deliver the _promised performance_ that the bet was about
fractal: mircea_popescu: the bitbury architecture is modular -- inside the 400Gh miner case, there is a M-board with 16 slots on it -- each M-board is only hashing around 20Gh, as per punin's admission. ... therefore the maximum hashrate inside a single self-contained unit, or device, is 320Gh.
fractal: mircea_popescu: can you fwd a link for that? nobody on the forums has a single board above 25Gh.. they're all running around 19-20Gh.
fractal: mircea_popescu: If noone posts evidence of a 400Gh unit then the bet is a NO. correct?
TradeFortress: mircea_popescu, ok, I guess I did a bad job explaining the changes cuz you don't get it
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: what's ETA on trilema going back up?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: is that in your link?
ThickAsThieves: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23886031#sa-ns_mchannel=rss&ns_source=PublicRSS20-sa
thestringpuller: the funny thing mircea_popescu is people believe you exists on the forums, even though you never post there
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: are you kidding? I would tap a 35 year old over a 20 year old any day of the week.
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mircea_popescu: gecko_x2 trilema has 50% moar.
daybyter: mircea_popescu: java rules...
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu hey this is unprecedented
jurov: ;;later tell mircea_popescu idea for next year conference :D http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_d%C3%A9jeuner_sur_l%27herbe
Duffer1: oh mircea_popescu you have Diablo-D3 on ignore :P
jborkl: mircea_popescu ping
kleeck: Still has it: http://www.bohomoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/article-2283997-1841356E000005DC-746_634x822.jpg
kakobrekla: O_o
johnnyfootball: http://www.ebay.com/itm/USSR-Soviet-Russian-Military-Ferrite-Core-Memory-Stack-Cube-MANUAL-QUITE-RARE-/150928595047?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item23240b9867
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "skin it and make yourself a nice invisible helmet (or perhaps a kettle shaped cod piece) to proudly wear while promenading around the only tree."
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu it's neat but how will models be deployed to clients
mircea_popescu: dexX7_ some complaint about someone answering a phone
dexX7_: Ukyo: http://www.btcpie.com/blog_2013/08/bitfunder%ef%bc%88weexchange-%e6%b3%a8%e5%86%8c%e5%8f%8a%e5%85%85%e5%80%bc%e6%8c%87%e5%8d%97 some chinese guys created a tutorial on how to register @ bf, maybe this is useful for you
ystarnaud: mircea_popescu: I meant according to forums haha
ystarnaud: mircea_popescu: yeah exactly
San1ty-Work: gecko_x2: Atleast have a reasoning behind it...
San1ty-Work: gecko_x2: Why is that? They'll be selling their old blades like hot cakes now and deploy new asics to continue mining?
dexX7: gecko_x2: did you watch? did the big selloff start before swedes "no-update"-update or after?
mircea_popescu: incidentally, http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/00/Transistor_Count_and_Moore's_Law_-_2011.svg
taub: mircea_popescu: WAR PROFITEER
kakobrekla: O_o
dub: mircea_popescu: heh, your article posted in AM thread, crash ensues
benkay: oh, c'mon mircea_popescu. she *had* to finish her term, it's how the establishment legitimizes its selection of minorities to hide their nefarious backroom dealings.
jurov: http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinStocks/comments/1l7rd1/the_analysis_of_a_failure_asicminer/cbwk0ti lol who is this?
mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinStocks/comments/1l5ng1/im_new_to_bitcoin_how_does_bitcoin_stocks_work/cbw02vu that was pretty good actually.
dub: mircea_popescu: you're wrong
pankkake: http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinStocks/comments/1l5ng1/im_new_to_bitcoin_how_does_bitcoin_stocks_work/cbw02vu
jurov: http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinStocks/comments/1l7rd1/the_analysis_of_a_failure_asicminer/
ThickAsThieves: mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=125629.msg3019912;topicseen#new
ThickAsThieves: http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMining/comments/1l5oz5/kansas_ag_replied_to_my_consumer_protection/
Rulother: <mircea_popescu> here's a lol : http://mileycyrusnude.org/ <<
thestringpuller: no on mircea_popescu site
fractal: mircea_popescu: and if noone posts them?
fractal: mircea_popescu: "Devices must meet advertised performance (25 GH/s unit 40W, 400 GH/s unit 400W) " will people have to post kill-a-watt readings to confirm this?
fractal: mircea_popescu: ok thanks.
fractal: mircea_popescu: " will ship their 25 and 400 gigahash mining units before september 1" I take this to mean that if only 25GH units are shipped, or vice versa, the bet will end in NO, correct?
jcpham: mircea_popescu MURICA about to regulate the shit out of the bitcoin
fractal: mircea_popescu: hahah
fractal: mircea_popescu: you'll lose idiots as customers
fractal: mircea_popescu: right. So, a big red sign that says 'expected payout if the bet were to close now'
fractal: mircea_popescu: we'll know after the fact, if what i said above actaully happens. ;)
fractal: mircea_popescu: and then there's this... "Atleast 5 deliveries confirmed by respected members of the community required." who arbitrates who is 'respected', and are we talking about bitcointalk users? thanks.
fractal: mircea_popescu: just double checking.
topace: mircea_popescu: that "there will be blood" bet started, AFTER, the 1 year birthday for havelock :p so already 1/3 of the result is known :p
mircea_popescu: gecko_x2 you're not qualified to judge evidence.
ThickAsThieves: <gecko_x2> just that one should have some evidence before accusing people of fraud <<< what evidence is missing?