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mircea_popescu: hey, good thing it was in here years ago, that way they could digest it in time for 2018!
ben_vulpes: even the economist has finally cottoned on to how fragile the us navy is in this brave new world: https://www.economist.com/news/science-and-technology/21736498-their-small-size-and-large-numbers-can-overwhelm-defences-home-made-drones-now
ben_vulpes: it's so pleasing to watch all of these golden toilet tekmologies fall to basic 'wasp'tech.
ben_vulpes: usg cops slowly cottoning on to the fragility of their position: http://abcnews.go.com/US/women-dead-cop-injured-dangerous-ongoing-barricade-situation/story?id=53017623 "death toll could have been much higher", also garage countermeasures finally gaining traction among le resistance; dood lit fires inside the house i imagine to foil the IR cameras
ben_vulpes: subject of correctness, /me has been using "hugs" in place of "shit people from shithole countries". the lefty brainfry this induces is spectacularly hilarious; "i know you're using good words to mean bad things but but but!"
asciilifeform thickens the weights in his mircea_popescutronic neuralnetwork, it hath done well
asciilifeform: somehow i knew mircea_popescu would say this!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite so. except what's hoarded here is the pennies of "correctness", and what's foolishly thrown away is the pounds sterling of hours and minutes.
mircea_popescu: a deeply felt notion that death's too harsh to properly speaking exist results necessarily in wasting one's life.
mircea_popescu: rather similarily to how the "human life is worth more than what mp would pay to fuck the item chained to a wall" leads to impossibility (not difficulty -- outright impossibility) of allocating healthcare dollars, just so...
mircea_popescu: in spite of all overwhelming evidence. because who knows, right ? science hasn't discovered everything, and it has all the time in the world! ☟︎
asciilifeform: seems to me like mircea_popescu described an ideal miser, who hoards forever 'for later' and dies on a mattress fulla benjies, rather than 'neet' redditus
mircea_popescu: and so there it is, waiting to have its idiocy proven wrong to itself at an arbitrarily strong standard. because who the hell knowns what it could miss out if indeed it WERE a woman, somehow.
mircea_popescu: however, the distortion this wreaks is that if a indeed were infinite, since the possible value of any possible configuration is always epsilon rather than zero, it is suddenly apparently worth it to consider that "well, maybe if the ice state is in the shape of the Pantsuited Abominartion herself, then IT WILL WORK?!?!?!".
mircea_popescu: something in the vein of "1. people dying is something too harsh for [my meagre powers] to consider ; 2. if something is hard it is ok to not do it ; 3. things that are not thought of do not properly speaking exist. therefore from 1-2-3 we have proven a is infinite".
mircea_popescu: HOWEVER! because a+b summing to something finite implies mortality, which is to say, that the almighty narcissist anal child eventually ends, and what's worse, the film he blessed with his heroic centrality ends with him... it THEREFORE FOLLOWS a must be infinite.
mircea_popescu: because there's a list of possible questions organised in a question tree ("should i figure out glass or metal ? if i figure out metal, should i figure out sheets or rails ? and so on ad infinitum) it soon becomes apparent that no, it very much isn't worth it to evaluate arbitrarily complex ice sculptures for their possible fit to be used in castlemaking.
mircea_popescu: now then. if phase a takes a time, and phase b takes another time, then you have a value function implicit.
mircea_popescu: think of it as a tower defense game, cuz it's exactly the only model the imbecile spawn of esltarded women even have. that's ALL the business, strategy, everything.
mircea_popescu: let's model it thusly. in the mmorpg called "life" the rules say there's two phases. phase a, where you figure out how to build a castle, and out of what, and so on. and phase b, where you sit in that castle and get GOODSTUFF, function of how well it was made. say fame or esteem or communication with god^H^H^H resplenduminous etcetera.
ben_vulpes: thing is proven to be worth 0 in the future after much self delusion, rather than 0 now.
ben_vulpes: i don't follow the logic behind the valuation of the castle at t->inf. once proven wrong, whatever bastion was defended is overrun and so worthless.
mircea_popescu: you follow the logic or should i delve ?
mircea_popescu: got all the time in the world, consequently the capital cost of wasted time is 0, consequently it is "worth it" to defend any nonsense beyond any possible limit. "eventually" (ie at t->inf) they will be proven wrong, and consequently the value of their eventual (at t -> inf) castle will be that much greater.
mircea_popescu: just the usual delusions of immortality.
ben_vulpes: something is seriously awry in that head.
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/12/the-story-of-a-storefront/ << Bingo Blog - The Story Of A Storefront
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in today's late breakfast suggestions, leberwurst geraucht with green olives on homemade bread, and a sizable helping oh holsteiner fasskraut on the side.
mircea_popescu realises this is possibly the worst bait and switch ever. but i swear, unintentional!
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/the-negotiations-of-terms/ << Trilema - The negotiations of terms
BingoBoingo: I will add it to the list of shortcomings.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you can add that to the list, by the way. a tendency to take what you hear as "what is" dun work irl! you know what i mean ? just cuz some chick said it from behind a desk dun make it worth two shits.
mircea_popescu: HOWEVER, the result of that isn't taken as "this is reality". the result of that is judged and its shortcomings fixed.
mircea_popescu: anyway, that said there's nothing wrong with applying for some, as a political choice.
asciilifeform: seems like fish is what they dun have over at this-here fish counter.
mircea_popescu never applied to "authorities", nor would. because why the fuck.
asciilifeform: 'On 10 June 2014, LACNIC announced that it had reached one /10 block of remaining addresses and IPv4 can now be considered exhausted in its service region. LACNIC will continue to distribute IPv4 addresses, but at a greatly reduced rate according to policies developed by the LACNIC community.'
asciilifeform: why do you have to deal with the idiots.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i did, and walked away moar puzzled than before. for instance, why is it impossible to buy ips secondhand ? ( is it ? )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Have you looked at the LACNIC IP allotment application and requirements yet?
asciilifeform: iirc there was a (lizard-declared) 'ipv4 shortage' that supposedly accounted for what-mp-got vs what-BB-got
mircea_popescu: but this is a self-inflicted misery. do not take the republic seriously, get what you get for it.
mircea_popescu: yes, i agree it is a very sad reality that everyone seems to be playing catch-up with the absolute minimum bar of "marginally retarded" rather than creating novel and interesting things.
asciilifeform: i built (with several other people) a system like this, in past life, it was used for crapware analysis
asciilifeform: this is true: could, and could even have'em netboot
mircea_popescu: the problemis not that -- the problem is he got less ips for a whole rack than i have for single machines.
mircea_popescu: why ? you could just have them live all the time.
asciilifeform: let's also mention for completeness the cost-competitive alternative to vps : the use of miniature machines ( e.g. apu1 ) . but this involves manual shuffling on the part of hands ( BingoBoingo ) for every new customer. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: "if mp built his back-to-back toilet, how could you ~using software only, mind!~ ensure the piss of his slavegirls doesn't mix ?" ☟︎
mircea_popescu: ram isolation is the ~only concern. of couse.
asciilifeform: but contrary to mircea_popescu's intuitions, the cpu slicing is not the hardest puzzle piece.
mircea_popescu: which is why the deductive-rational process is actually irrational.
asciilifeform: entirely troo.
mircea_popescu: that's the skill involved here : reality consists of endless matrices, that for any practical purpose have to be heuristically collapsed, as they can't actually be calculated.
mircea_popescu: whatever it'd be, i can promise you a) it does not work out of the box and b) you will want >25 years to fix it.
asciilifeform: afaik nothing else is known to reliably work.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it'd have to be xen
asciilifeform: i for instance do not buy vps. and so not in a position to say who does, or how to persuade'em to part with precious coinz.
mircea_popescu: and besides, there's not even software to do it with.
asciilifeform: the other item -- and asciilifeform scours the logs, and finds nuffin -- is whether BingoBoingo ( or anybody tuned in ) at any point had any concrete idea of to whom (other than l1) to market the vps product, and how.
mircea_popescu: that was a fabulous bit of JIT channeling btw! i'm finally fucking done with this monster article.
asciilifeform: if 'what's x, and what's y, and turns out x > y' is not a rational process, than apparently i do not know what is.
mircea_popescu: your output is not "i don';t have the money", read above.
asciilifeform: what did you expect it to be ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'useful' output is 'i dun have this money'
mircea_popescu has long suspected meditation is not nearly as useful as practitioners credit it to be. like is the case with all arts.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-11 16:34 asciilifeform is not asleep, but in fact still calculating whether he has enuff fuel to take, theoretically, BingoBoingo's rocket to orbit, or only to make larger crater on the ground
mircea_popescu: so would it be fair to say that 24 hours of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-11#1783278 produced absolutely nothing useful, and you find yourself for the "calculation" at the exact same position you'd have been without it ? ☝︎
asciilifeform: as i understand this is not yet a solved problem.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you would have to come up with a method ( i don't particularly care what kind ) for converting the coinz to food.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i can pay the rack vendor already. the issue is your own food. ☟︎
BingoBoingo: instructions. BingoBoingo is offered some sort of incentive structure to remain in Montevideo for more time as hired hand rather than equity figure. On the plus side for alf, if he brings his own foreign corp with bank he has vehicle for making payments.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo , et al : have i missed anything obvious here ? << The deal with mircea_popescu was mircea_popescu bankrolls BingoBoingo builds isp for BingoBoingo with mircea_popescu as honored investor. For asciilifeform or whoever else may take an interest in taking over, the deal that interests me is BingoBoingo remains in Montevideo to help asciilifeform/alfteam/etc build themselves an isp taking clear
asciilifeform: ( we already have FG customers on the record as having paid similar amt for border taxes as for device itself )
asciilifeform: well this is moar flood than meteorite, but yes.
mircea_popescu: this is similarily true of your current situation, or any other. also, meteorites.
mircea_popescu: yes, if one day the gauls invade you will discover business is not something that can be done.
asciilifeform: esp if the border monkeys decide to help themselves to some iron.
asciilifeform: simply noting that if this supposition is mistaken, it is a quite expensive 'surprise', would easily dwarf the cost of everything else summed.
asciilifeform: let's suppose this works. ( already supposed in the 'submarine' example.)
mircea_popescu: "here are the numbers written down". that's how this goes.
asciilifeform: fwiw i do not know the answer, and therefore assume the worst
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: of the 400 that it costs among sane people, or the 6000 that it costs in monkeylandia, is the (potential) problem
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude, you're talking around the point. the scam is simple enough : here mr taxman, is a box, of chassis motherboard cpu.
asciilifeform: not being able to nail down that param makes all of my engineering whiskers stand on end
asciilifeform: i do not know how the south amer monkeys do their taxation, if it's anything like how the british taxed FUCKGOATS...
a111: Logged on 2018-02-12 15:57 mircea_popescu: but if you notice memory is 60% of the price and ~nobody knows wtf is going on... you get taxed on a third at most.
asciilifeform: briefly upstack to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-12#1783327 : it matters 'a third' ~of what~ . if it's of the 15k list price of the box when it was new ( asciilifeform would be using the type of machines previously prepared for mircea_popescu , they are THE most economical in re bux:horsepower ) then it comes to quite a sum ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i think your numbers are within a x2 / x.5 ballpark, which is about where it's been for a while. proceed.
asciilifeform: ( to power the system with said btc, at the very minimum BingoBoingo will need bank acct , but this is possibly yet another subthread )
asciilifeform: so upstack : to keep the system floating, the client base would ( at current heathenbux rate ) have to supply no less than half a btc per mo of revenue
asciilifeform: 12 incidentally is arbitrary number, they could just as readily be installed 'on-demand', N machines at a time (where N is determined by the type of transportation used)
asciilifeform: right, mircea_popescu even already commissioned 3, they are right here
mircea_popescu: and yes i pay in coin, if that wasn't by nao obvious >:)
mircea_popescu: well, i was going to take five for myself ; and was willing to even pay for them.
asciilifeform: let's suppose for gedankenexperiment that i could borrow mircea_popescu's nazi submarine and ship'em in duty-free. that still leaves 12*1600 == 19200 heathenbuxxorz for basic vps ( rented, presumably , to heathens, who will somehow agree to part with coin? but this is separate thread..)
mircea_popescu: then again, this does require competent rather than bumbling courriering, so i suppose ima let it rest.
mircea_popescu: but if you notice memory is 60% of the price and ~nobody knows wtf is going on... you get taxed on a third at most. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: you just have to plan for it.
asciilifeform: then will get taxed neh