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mircea_popescu: i probably exaggerated ; but carry on in
teh spirit an godspeed
to you.
a111: Logged on 2018-03-07 19:21 mircea_popescu: now less excuses, none of
this "my pantsuit existence comes before
the republic" ever again and more productivity. MUCH more productivity.
mircea_popescu: in
these
terms
the infantile "i only want
to solve problem Y defined as 80% of
the actual problem" readily shows its infantilism. good and well
that you want
to build an os without a socio-political model ; but what you want dun enter into
this.
mircea_popescu: the architectural model is particularly useful : building 80% of an arch, or in general whatever sub-unitary percent of
the arch will not result in something
that stays up.
the span must be exactly covered, because a sub-span arch, no matter how well done in
the parts
that are in fact done, will nevertheless collapse under
the weight of
the absent portion.
mircea_popescu: this
then induces
two possible errors in aproach.
the situation where
the solution is over-span, which we generally call "overengineered" ; and
the situation where
the solution is under-span, which is pluriously referenced as jwz's error, but is not substantially different from
http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=spreading+works or
the airplane
that can
take off, and flies well, but can't land.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, mazepath.com is certainly something for
the archiving.
mircea_popescu: honestly i'd re-read it, showed
the signs of a great novelist in
the rough. rather clemens-like.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-30 04:22 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform who had
that great story about
the
three dorks in a garage inventing a super-efficient engine over 20 years of playing around
throiugh
the process of miss-measuring
torque ?
a111: Logged on 2018-03-08 19:32 asciilifeform: was actually quite a feat, all of
the various compilers were able
to freely exchange data structures
mircea_popescu: he was young, sent
to write some article or w/e.
the salient points were
that
this was a 2 stroke engine, and
the doods were inferring power on
the basis of
torque but measured on a different circumference.
mircea_popescu: they have a book on
torque measurements an' errything.
mircea_popescu: uncle al even has a portrait of
three of
these, making a super-unitary efficiency engine.
mircea_popescu: yes, but
this "poor mastery of book learnin', relying on endless
tomes of
tico brache measurements"
thing -- very much what
the engineer started off as.
mircea_popescu: you know, incidentally, what is
the old word for "' people
to be ~instantly recognizable (from
their output)" ?
a111: Logged on 2016-01-21 13:29 asciilifeform: 'if i make it what i
think is
the right size, it crashes!111'
mircea_popescu: notably,
the question of "no wheelies on black ice without helmet" isn't decided on
the basis of whether you survived ; but on
the basis of whether anyone didn't.
a111: Logged on 2018-03-08 19:27 asciilifeform:
to learn per se is harmless, supposing you're decently good at mental compartmentalization. asciilifeform for instance worx with high-pressure liquishit from undocumented guts of winblowz kernel, ~daily. perhaps it is lethal eventually, but observe, not yet dead. ( would you say it has visible effect on style of asciilifeform's publications
to date ? would you know, re
the winblowz, if asciilifeform did not confess it ? )
mircea_popescu: ave1 i will say
the "test harness for rsa/etc" is a very solid usecase for file-fed fg-emu.
mircea_popescu: but if you can't even answer "who's
the java guy" gives it little hope.
a111: Logged on 2018-03-08 19:08
trinque: not
that
the world gives happy endings down any branch; we'd perhaps be loathing what lisp might've become as much as java, had it "won"
mircea_popescu: in
this view,
that you can
teach parrot "to speak" and it ALSO eats fruit... well... not coincidental.
mircea_popescu: the alternative explanation being
that preditor eats protein, herbivore carbs. brains work on carbs.
mircea_popescu: (horse also more intelligent
than dog, in
turn because auroch more intelligent
than old wolf, and in general,
the herbivore
than
the preditor. somehow.)
mircea_popescu: you definitely can
train mouse. it's, very amusingly, more intelligent
than cat.
mircea_popescu: if i ask hanbot 's pitts anything
they always say "woof", also. great pits
they are.
mircea_popescu: and i very much suspect any man who ever answered a why with "so
that...". because really now.
ave1: asciilifeform, yes I concur. Will work more on it
tomorrow... (now back
to reading)
mircea_popescu: mind
that
there's
two classes of response
to "why ... ?" : one is "because..." and
the other is "i never
thought of
this before...".
there's no "topurpose..." in
there notably,
there's just
the
two, and one of
the
two will always be
the case.
mircea_popescu: but
they missed
the opportunity
to make sense of
themselves, for
themselves. and if
this specifically didn't kill
them,
the root it belies i reckon nevertheless did.
mircea_popescu: "they did not make a standard ffi; and
thereby perished." , no purpose involved, forget "to",
there's no
to.
mircea_popescu: note
that biology isn't "explaining bacteria
to itself"
mircea_popescu: the
task isn't
to
tell black chick how
to code, but why she can't.
mircea_popescu: it's not a matter of articulating c "in such a way as
to make it a civilisation", it is a matter of articulating WHY it isn't.
mircea_popescu: when i respond
to random idiots in here i don't do so ~because of
the idiots~. i do so because
the statement is valuable and important
to people who aren't
the idiots. much like flint makes fire not because of
the shitty whatever
that hits it, but because ~IT~ is flint.
a111: Logged on 2018-03-08 19:02 asciilifeform:
the only 'common language' one can find
to
talk
to bacteria -- is bleach.
a111: Logged on 2018-03-08 16:33 mircea_popescu: ave1 is your dancing around
the entropy problem with files etc driven by
the fact you don't have a fg, incidentally ?
trinque: I can see
the merits of
the latter, and why it ends up winning.
ave1: The discussion revolved around
the functions
that use
the random number generation code in eucrypt.
trinque: asciilifeform: I don't
think you
take my meaning. Killing bacteria is a fine
thing if you do it;
the lisp guys didn't. Another strategy is engulfing bacteria and making it part of your digestive process, with all
the added complexity and risk
that entails.
ave1: I've just read it,
the function in
the eucrypt code works similar
a111: Logged on 2018-03-08 15:46 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787216 << it seems rather,
that first you should evaluate
the
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787207 and see if indeed it makes sense, or it's just
the proverbial "first notion
that formed in head upon quarter seccond's apprehension of $item" ; if indeed it is needed, legitimately,
then
the next step is
to make a file handler
that eats your file as you want it on one hand and emulates fg
ave1:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787233, good point, I have been
thinking of other ways.
The basic use case is
to have a way
to
test
the key generation (and other operations) in a repeatable way. With a live random generator
this is impossible. Also
time is a factor here, with a correctly primed file, I can generate a key in a second, without it can be a process
that
takes from 6 seconds
to an hour (empirically determined)
☝︎ trinque: apparently low enough
to learn c++, which I refused
to lift into my head nearly all my career until
trb.
trinque: not
that
the world gives happy endings down any branch; we'd perhaps be loathing what lisp might've become as much as java, had it "won"
☟︎ trinque: a sort of allergic refusal
to engage
the world strategically as it is, battle already won in mind.
trinque: or what was it, of USA,
the world, something
trinque: sounds like
the way you end up Emperor Norton of California
mircea_popescu: contrary
to
the claims "lisp is not a perl, commonlisp is a specification not an implementation" in
thee 1984-1994 interval lisp was exactly a perl. it didn't have
to be a perl,
though, it could have been well specificed from
the beginning.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-31 14:37 mp_en_viaje:
there's absolutely no cause oher
than historical accident
that real ended at 16 bits.