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kleeck: They don'
t? How can I be cool, then?
ThickAsThieves: When it comes to investing, it's survival of the fittest, and if the people who are wanting to invest in your bond opportunity and haven'
t done enough research to know that you can issue more at any time, and that the callback amount will never be more than 105%, that is their business and their business only."
pankkake: BF really doesn'
t inspire me confidence
freeroute: don'
t worry, I'll have pics to verify my authenticity
scrybe: they are on picostocks, I don'
t really follow it
scrybe: seagate is bribing eAsic to do something that they didn'
t think was core to their business, that's what an equity investment usually is
kleeck: eASIC is partnered with ActM, eASIC is shown as a strong vendor in cutting edge technology, ActM is recognized as making a profitable partnership - 28nm isn'
t so "ZOMG TOO FAR OFF NO WAI" anymore.
lq_: and won'
t get in teh way of each oter
pankkake: easics has many clients, amc isn'
t likely 1% of their income
kleeck: Yeah. They are under NDA, so until that is lifted and we can see the details I don'
t expect may eASIC news to make waves.
Rulother__: hasn'
t really spurred much attention for am
dandate2: it looks like the annual dividend return on asicminer-pt is 2.5x higher than the purchase price. why doesn'
t everyone buy that?
mjr_: the reasons i was skeptical, is because they didn'
t use the company name
dexX7_: it wasn'
t the first time that kinda wrong mining news were published
Canth: I agree, it doesn'
t make sense unless they are flat out betting on BTC in a major way that can'
t be done just buying it directly.
mjr_: i don'
t think the price really moved much though
Rulother__: Reinvesting at .0011 doesn'
t hurt after all
dexX7: how's it possible that they didn'
t factcheck this?
mjr_: AND they didn'
t have a quote from Yifu
jurov: yes. and it isn'
t binary bet, if diff is only 78 million, you a still get 98% back.
jurov: dandate2: yes, except when it doesn'
t dexX7: doesn'
t make much sense
Exocyst: Oh I don'
t want fiat, I just want increased BTC<-->LTC liquidity
jurov: no engine/cdn will help them when they can'
t get banking right
assbot: Um, shouldn'
t you be with your own tribe or somethin'?
laque: and shouldn'
t write tech articles again
B0g4r7: WSJ ftl if they didn'
t fact-check shit.
thestringpuller: ThickAsThieves: didn'
t realize Jurov had as much depth on these as he does
dexX7: and the new mining comps didn'
t even publish prices
dexX7: today's diff was almost known the days before, so it shouldn'
t be big news
dexX7: what? because today was a diff change (which wasn'
t unexpected) all share values go down?
dexX7: today doesn'
t look good for mining companies i guess
Menoetius: hasn'
t that already been showed to be old unrelated news with company that also was called avalon ?
dexX7: oh wait, you can'
t read the article at ef?
dexX7: if they don'
t realize their fault in the next hours, this will be all over mass media
dexX7: in case you didn'
t get the memo, there is no avalon deal
dub: I shouldn'
t need a bunker but I have land and know how to farm and hunt
thestringpuller: Bitcoin, in and of itself, is in no need of any particular government or any government at all. It doesn.
t need the Internet, as proven by the existence of brain wallets, and it doesn.
t need computers : you could do the whole blockchain thing pen-on-paper if you had the inclination. It doesn.
t even need people : it.s perfectly possible for gas molecules somewhere to play out keypair generation, hashing, blockchain creation and all that.
frb: but yeah, i rather agree with deb, i'm still sad i didn'
t buy casacius coins when they first started though :p
frb: i hope you explained what bitcoins were so she didn'
t feel ripped off
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i can'
t say it shouldn'
t, obviously. which is the similarity with ThickAsThieves' situation.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: s.mg has a lot of cash on hand despite lack of operating revenue; expenses are ridiculously low per month atm too so why shouldn'
t it trade high?
mircea_popescu: but to get back : great if they did manage it, and if they didn'
t it's still unavoidable.
dexX7: k.. "start mining today, make lots of B" isn'
t really attractive for usual people i guess
dexX7: don'
t nail me on "tv spots"
pankkake: isn'
t cost of manufacturing more important than efficiency for asics? at least right now?
dexX7: well, but you don'
t know if it would go below the ipo price
saulimus: that can'
t be right. doesn'
t that mean that there will always have to be investors holding btcgarden?
dexX7: they can'
t without new bids
thestringpuller: I would say by september xbond will finally have equidistant liquidity costs for buyers and sellers, so it seems it all works out. Kind of a butt kicker for people who didn'
t buy more during IPO
mircea_popescu: so i'm talking to an old friend, haven'
t spoken in years. he's an accountant.
thestringpuller: ;;later tell mod6 I'll send you a github message if I don'
t catch you next time you're around
ThickAsThieves: [20:32] <wavedigit> i just don'
t feel like registering at yet another exchange <<<<< but that's partly what we're going for, you signing up at Havelock too ;)
wavedigit: i just don'
t feel like registering at yet another exchange
ThickAsThieves: BFL: "Some say we have shipped very few products: If you complain that we ship little and that the difficulty is rising rapidly, you just don'
t understand how this whole BTC thing works.."
pankkake: French yougnsters don'
t eat that well
pankkake: I don'
t know if I should buy this time though
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: didn'
t the idiots emailing you about the fees without reading the faq piss you off just a lil' bit?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: All : the avatars here don.
t use gravatar, instead look for an avatar.png file in your domain. << When you got a minute could you direct me a to a faq or something explaining that?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller not necessarily, but miners don'
t have 50k spare btc laying around.
thestringpuller: you can'
t sell something you don'
t have unless someone lets you short sell :P
thestringpuller: how can you sell mining bonds if you don'
t yet own them mr. ThickAsThieves ?
kleeck: I don'
t know the details.
thestringpuller: we can hedge price, but I've racked my brain over hedging on mining and it seems the answer to the question "how do I hedge mining" is "you don'
t"
mircea_popescu: there was a mm a while back but things diodn'
t work out so well for him.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, here are your problems : put am, mpex (and used to be sdice) in there, you've got 2 mn+ btc wiping everyone else into irrelevance. you don'
t put any of them well... it's weird parade. (which is wjhy i suggested making two categories)
dexX7: i didn'
t know the dax is capped
mircea_popescu: smidge you can'
t arbitrarily cap things out, it makes no sense.
mircea_popescu: the 2nd was decided on "whether it trades or doesn'
t trade" not on whether it's 0 or isn'
t 0.
Neil_: OK, then consistency please. Either price is zero or it isn'
t. If zero, market cap is zero. If not, market cap isn'
t zero. Unless contortious logic is applied.
Neil_: OK. I can'
t help you.
mircea_popescu: well, as a matter of fact i can'
t see such a contradiction.
Neil_: mircea_popescu: If you can'
t see the contradiction in the resolution of the two bets, I can'
t help you. I've written it off. But IMO it's a black mark against the neutrality of the resolutions. I don'
t know how they were decided, but IMO the benefit of drama and 1% fees cannot be ruled out.
Neil_: Anyway, I lost money from the decision and cannot be considered unbiased, but IMO it wasn'
t "right".
Neil_: mircea_popescu: So, returning to SDICE, I personally saw contradiction in (someone)'s decision to decide that while the market cap of SDICE went to zero, the share price didn'
t. I don'
t see this as black-and-white, and that if you say the share price didn'
t go to zero, it's inconsistent to claim the market cap did. The third choice of "no meaning" would have been a more reasonable resolution IMO, but of course would have cost BB
frb: you should only gamble for entertainment, not profits. mircea_popescu shouldn'
t have to aplogize for your gambling losses
Neil_: I'm sure you didn'
t. But that's not the point. I believe you like drama, with reason.
mircea_popescu: well if it makes you feel better i didn'
t have a bet in there.
Neil_: I didn'
t like your resolution of the SDICE issues, which cost me quite some $$$, but I just sucked it up, I don'
t read it as malice.
Neil_: I like to read, from my POV most people don'
t like to be unambiguous, or worse, don'
t realize they're being unambiguous.
mircea_popescu: i mean people made a lot of hay about bfl delivery in may bet, but... bfl STILL hasn'
t delivered so.
mircea_popescu: well, the people resolving the bets are not betting. i occasionalyl make bets, but i don'
t think theres to date been an actually contentious one.