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fractal: Anduck: No, they didn'
t the units don'
t hit 400Gh as advertised --
Anduck: fractal: they didn'
t deliver the promised hardware, yes. but they delivered the promised performance of the units
fractal: They weren'
t able to deliver this
Anduck: if he shipped GPU's, the performance (400 gh @ 400 watts) wouldn'
t be met
mircea_popescu: fractal well ya but it wouldn'
t be economically feasible to do so
Anduck: fractal: he's allowed to ship as much h-boards and m-boards needed to get the performance. it wouldn'
t break the bet.... if they would eat more watts than promised, that would be a bet-breaker
fractal: you removed the word UNIT didn'
t you??? very sneaky!
fractal: Anduck: If the bet language said "If punin can'
t make a 400Gh single device, he's allow to ship as much hardware as he wan'ts, and we'll just consider it a 'KIT' "" --- if it said that, there's no way in my right mind i would have bet NO... it would be an impossible bet to win
Anduck: a mining unit is a mining kit, isn'
t it?
kleeck: Yes. What I'm seeing is the classic, "Oh come on, we all knew the intended bet!" Which isn'
t a sound defense. The debate must center around the words used to describe the bet. If the product is a "mining unit" and meets the spec in the bet, then Anduck is correct, else fractal is correct.
fractal: Anduck: Again, the language of the bet doesn'
t match up with the fact that performance was missed on the 25Gh board,,, the fact that they got more or were satisfied is irrelevant
fractal: Anduck: Sorry, the language doesn'
t say 'KIT'
Anduck: fractal: the 25gh unit is a 25gh kit as sold for customers, doesn'
t say it must include 1 h-board.
fractal: mircea_popescu: right.... but in fairness, the bet doesn'
t say that the manufactuere can miss hashrate performance on a single 25Gh board, and ship more to make up for it!
kleeck: we certainly can'
t google this...
Anduck: and as customers weren'
t sold specifically 1 or 16 h-boards, the kits can include any amount of those.. the kits must meet the promised performance and they seem to do so
kleeck: TomServo, no, that isn'
t the question.
TomServo: I don'
t understand the debate over kit, unit, whateverthefuck. Does the 'thing' do 400GH/s @ 400W or not?
mircea_popescu: <fractal> Anduck: I came in here specifically to ask mircea_popescu and he said that a 400Gh 'UNIT' must exist --- based on the math, it can'
t <<< which snippet is this ?
fractal: Anduck: you can'
t make a vague bet, and then claim 'semantics' when you lose
fractal: Anduck: I only placed a NO bet because I didn'
t belive they'd hit 400Gh in a single unit. BFL missed, and others. The bet says that there should be a 400Gh unit shipped, and it should be under 400W.... it might be under 400W, but its not 400Gh
Anduck: but that is the statement, isn'
t it??
Anduck: that doesn'
t mean it doesn'
t meet the performance promise of the kit/unit
kleeck: I haven'
t read it yet. I will if you want. I was chiming in more to the point of "do semantics matter" - I'll read the bet.
fractal: Anduck: I came in here specifically to ask mircea_popescu and he said that a 400Gh 'UNIT' must exist --- based on the math, it can'
t fractal: Anduck: The language on the bet says it can'
t.
Anduck: who says a kit can'
t include 2 m-boards?
mircea_popescu: lol. i guess this is how a good bet works, it's totally clear to everyone except it doesn'
t match.
Anduck: all the units and devices shouldve been "kit" so there wouldn'
t be this semantics mess
kleeck: Don'
t the words comprise the bet?
Anduck: i don'
t see why it wouldn'
t be as i said.
fractal: Anduck: no they weren'
t. no 400Gh unit exists as per punin's admission --- also, thats not what the statement says.
Anduck: i don'
t really see how one could understand the wording so wrong
Rulother: Frankly I couldn'
t see a way to truly debate the acquisition without any sort of evidence
TradeFortress: mircea_popescu, ok, I guess I did a bad job explaining the changes cuz you don'
t get it
mod6: YOU CAN'
T RENT HERE ANYMORE!
mircea_popescu: ahaha scammer's response to the bitbet thing ? he doesn'
t bet on his own scam because "it would be dishonest"
mircea_popescu: So Lennay Kekua,
T-Bone, and Amina Abdallah Arraf al Omari walk into a bar and the bartender says, “Nobody is going to get this joke.”
ThickAsThieves: another performance in irony for you: "You're wasting time trying to explain anything to the average 'investor' here. They simply aren'
t smart enough to get it, though they imagine themselves to be towering geniuses. It's better if they don'
t get it, anyway. Cheaper shares for those of us who do." (labcoin)
assbot: Aren'
t those tins of tobacco right there behind you?
thestringpuller: but because the girl doesn'
t get on IRC and only exists on the forums she's "not real"
mircea_popescu: see ? you didn;'
t read it five times each day, now SUFFAR!
pankkake: also can'
t tweet the same thing twice in a row
mircea_popescu: or it might be "less than 200 but we won'
t twell you how many"
mod6: i added this part to the bot that /should/ tweet the MPEx part of assbots stream. But i keep hitting these snags with not found modules. mainly because the host it runs on doesn'
t allow me to run CPAN. So I have to drop everything in by hand lol.
mircea_popescu: KRS-1 for some reason it has failed in such a manner you can'
t just dump a hdd in the raid hotswap and repropagate
kleeck: I don'
t know, getting knocked out doesn'
t really work, it would have to be power rankings or something.
jurov: "delusional" doesn'
t quite cut it
Duffer1: samples would have to be sent to credible forum persons within 14 days, i haven'
t read anything saying they plan to do that
Rulother: I don'
t know, I've seen the 5th Element
Rulother: You almost made me feel, and I don'
t like feeling
Rulother: So many people like, don'
t you try to Iraq us again
ThickAsThieves: "That September drop you were expecting for gasoline prices? Don'
t hold your breath."
mircea_popescu: but seeing how I don'
t build the towns etc, it's mostly upon the players to pick where they want what to go.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i have this impression i don'
t understand the q. what do you mean !?
Rulother: I can'
t be up at all hours tat :P
Rulother: That's nice and all, doesn'
t change the fact I would kill for an app. Man a smartphone app that has alarms to alert you of a dump, would be amazing for a day trader like me.
Rulother: I don'
t know if I could of put "would," anymore in that sentence...
Rulother: I can'
t remember what day it was, but it was gone nearly all day
Rulother: I remember seeing this Kryptotrader site being mentioned before, but damn why didn'
t I actually check it out lol
pankkake: wow, I didn'
t know they did it already
pankkake: well, I don'
t want to deal with fiat at all (except for fixing prices *if users want to*)
pankkake: I don'
t have the chatlog but earlier some of you said you had to be the first in bitcoin
gecko_x2: AM investors are butthurt because the share didn'
t continue the straight path from lower left corner to upper right corner in a 45 angle degree
parseval: Maybe something for them to do when they are broke, so they don'
t just spend their paycheck and leave, then not come back until their next paycheck
mircea_popescu: if you don'
t get enough playerbase to catch at least one whale you make zero
VanCleef: 15yo's shouldn'
t be running security exchanges
dexX7_: hehe well, my irc client doesn'
t show the characters, but fine. frankenstein is what google tells me, too. but that sounds wrong.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves bitfury ? didn'
t they say it's 4ph or some scandalous shit like that ?
mircea_popescu: avalon isn'
t doing too well apparently, which leaves pretty much vbitfury with actual chips
mircea_popescu: here's an open secret : bitcoin is much like south africa back when it worked, an apartheid system. forumers, redditors and co are 2nd class citizens. we don'
t give a shit about them.
ystarnaud: I don'
t think its that bad... its been around 2.3-2.5 USD per LTC for the past few months
dexX7: 51 % is the absolutely worst case, but the double spending problem is fluent. if you didn'
t read it already, i highly recomment to do so:
https://bitcoil.co.il/Doublespend.pdf - it's not about "does one have enough hashing power" but "would it be ev+ with the current hashing power to try a double spend"
gecko_x2: and that won'
t necessarily mean the latest gen cips
Rulother: Hasn'
t bitfury just started shipping?
gecko_x2: don'
t get me wrong i think AM is an excellent business
gecko_x2: oh fuck this, i don'
t need this shit
San1ty-Work: Is that enough to bring the share price down to 1.8? I don'
t think so
gecko_x2: you don'
t know that it's not going to 1.8