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ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-13 16:43:57 asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'd like to put as much as possible correct config in the tarball, rather than have user '1st fix a, then fix b, etc'
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945131 << this is a sound principle anyways.
diana_coman: well, I'd love to get at some point to static-only, so ...
diana_coman: so I don't see a big problem with including a gnat in the canister
asciilifeform: this requires a certain amt of user fiddling tho.
diana_coman: ie set first in path the desired one and that's it
asciilifeform: diana_coman: it is. i have 4 diff gnats on the box where now sitting.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: as far as I recall though, choosing the gnat is just a matter of setting PATH, isn't it?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: possibly i oughta refrain from sealing in a gnat then, it could interfere with your process
diana_coman: possibly I'll have to hammer it into static at some point but not yet there (it's a ball of ifdefism among other things)
asciilifeform did not remember that there remained projects still relying on pre-ave1 gnat
asciilifeform: diana_coman: do we want ave1's last gnat in the canister ?
diana_coman: for eulora dev and therefore next, there is also gnat, ofc.
asciilifeform: curl oughta be put in the sealed canister imho.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: for eulora I need: app-misc/screen, ftjam, net-misc/curl (that runs into the openssl shit), dev-db/mysql (5.6.39 or earlier) + cs and cal3d but those are frozen versions/not portage anyway
asciilifeform: diana_coman: python selector is also set in r2 tar, plox to confirm.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: fwiw i used network in testbed solely to get shell on the box, did not 'emerge' etc. anyffin.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-13 16:42:11 asciilifeform: diana_coman: this i fixed in the r2 tarball's /etc/lilo.conf
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945126 - confirmed, this is indeed fixed in r2.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: lemme know if the r4 recipe is in fact insufficient for the current smg process , i'ma then revise. otherwise i'ma proceed with the streamlined 1stick thing, it will be tested later in the wk , w/ own hands and anyone else who wants this type of sys.
diana_coman: aha; I actually had the mysql precise thing in one of the backups but rather deeply burried so at the time of the test I went with this mirror; but as I was saying, by default I rather tend to unplug the network cable when installing systems.
asciilifeform: ideally ( as said already by diana_coman in #o ) we abolish the req for external mirrors.
diana_coman: I think this last russian one had the mysql/I quite distinctly remember adding it
asciilifeform: ty diana_coman , i'ma include these in place of the dead.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: the mirrors I have in my /etc/portage/make.conf after getting rid of dead ones + adding at least one with required mysql: gentoo.gossamerhost.com gentoo.supp.name mirror.neolabs.kz/gentoo/pub mirrors.xservers.ro/gentoo/ gentoo/bloodhost.ru gentoo.wheel.sk bbgentoo.ilb.ru
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'ma also include prebuilt kernel in this one, so that if no adjustment is req'd, the (potentially hours) taken up by build of the kernel, can be avoided in installation
asciilifeform: diana_coman: in the single-stick item i'm baking atm, there is a dir where all the turnable-knob configs are in , and copied to the new disk as part of install. so user can set'em up beforehand, rather than to work inside the chroot.
diana_coman: it might belong there also, sure; still, I'd rather have it in recipe too; for that matter there is still the companion thing, might need to add a note at the very least
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'd like to put as much as possible correct config in the tarball, rather than have user '1st fix a, then fix b, etc'
diana_coman goes to check lilo.conf
asciilifeform: diana_coman: good point (tho that part imho really belongs on FG www page; sadly it is lost at sea atm)
diana_coman: asciilifeform: I'd still rather put the content than just the link, why make the recipe utterly dependent on the logger being up, anyways? eg at 3-29, put in the reference but also just the required option
asciilifeform: diana_coman: this i fixed in the r2 tarball's /etc/lilo.conf
diana_coman: asciilifeform: at 3-20, this wasn't true: there was still the change from linear to lba32
diana_coman: asciilifeform: at 3-19, argh, put in there the exact place of pl2303 in kernel, it was annoying enough to have to track it down once.
diana_coman: for that matter, there's 3-9 missing, lol
diana_coman: asciilifeform: between 3-8 and 3-10 I needed the obv mkdir /mnt/usb
diana_coman: asciilifeform: at point 3-2 I started the boot partition at 32 (because lilo needs 0-31)
ossabot: (ossasepia) 2019-10-12 asciilifeform: tried even last night several usb kbd, all worked.
ossabot: (ossasepia) 2019-10-12 diana_coman: I looked about, changed the one for my usual kbd (the emergency ps kbd is not that comfy on fingers) and otherwise looked around but I didn't see something directly needed/to change
asciilifeform: so far only oddity reported seems to be where diana_coman had a keyboard that wouldn't go , tho asciilifeform could not reproduce .
diana_coman: that was test no 2 yest
ossabot: (ossasepia) 2019-10-11 diana_coman: wtf can't quite find the thing; the motherboard is Asus M5A78L-M PLUS/USB3 HDMI Motherboard; the cpu is AMD FX-8350 Eight Core to 4.2GHz
asciilifeform: the item strictly-as-given is expected to function on any 64bit amd ( asciilifeform's test bed was a 'e350', circa 2010 . )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: should need adjustment only in kernel flags : no amd-exclusive cpu instrs were used in building the binaries (given the vintage of the cpu targeted, none exist such that would fall into this trap)
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i'ma mechanize as much of the process as is practical, but wanted to get the hand-cranked ver. out for review/test asap. hence the 'nao add 3 spoons of sugar' etc. headaches.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: re intel, I have an old intel excavated out and waiting to have this set on it, if I get around to do it.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: yes; I'll check it against my notes too.
asciilifeform: this is good point mp_en_viaje , i'd like to know if something omitted before others (e.g. BingoBoingo) attempt to fire the thing.
mp_en_viaje: 100% same thing or no good
diana_coman: indeed; I'll check today after a bit of a needed break.
mp_en_viaje: if we have to fix in say 18 months, we'll spend days in this "oh god damned recipe is not useful" vicious circle
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, important to make sure there's no splits whatsoever, now, when fresh in memory
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: lol 'leak ip', how about 'civilize barbaric voodoo into published tool'
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: I'll have to check, since he deeded now I think "latest version"; previously I used his deeded version + tweak for fuckgoats & my kbd
mp_en_viaje: i'm sorry that emergency continuation required you to leak most of the ip you built for pizarro.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: if you need an intel version, plz lemme know, i in fact excavated a 'xeon' recently on which can be tried.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: I have on my list to attempt recipe on intel too - if I find some time for it; it wasn't burning and it's one of those "only if deemed worth to know"
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, was the item you applied actually and formally the item deeded ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: with 5-6 flags in the kern conf, item could stand on even intel boxen. ( asciilifeform simply boycotts intelism ) . the other item to add is that i'm making a single-usbstick installer, also supporting serial console, for to simplify installation on leased machines ( typically telekvm permits use of ~one~ 'virtual' disk. )
mp_en_viaje: ok so basically we answer the original q with "well, we're married with amds and using above deeded recipe" ?
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: can report that dev server is also built and had a test run locally with dev client; compilation there messier because of the whole stuff with gnat.
asciilifeform: ^ latest draft of recipe, as tested by asciilifeform and then diana_coman .
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-13 06:42:11 mp_en_viaje: in other lulz, i suspect about half of the ru ip space is "soft" banned in germany, constant "inexplciable" service interruptions etc. can't eg load archive.is most of the time, and so on
bvt: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945073 << the only problem i ever encountered is project gutenberg blocking germany, but no problems with archive.is
bvt: hi. i intend to finish the kernel rng work end of next week - then will do a dissection-writeup on what i did + vpatch. i also have to setup mpwp somewhere - this may take a bit of additional time.
spyked: mp_en_viaje, lobbes: re. digging into mp-wp coad, it happens I have an article in the works on exactly that (emerging from the editor weird). /me will try to get it done tomorrow
mp_en_viaje: in other lulz, i suspect about half of the ru ip space is "soft" banned in germany, constant "inexplciable" service interruptions etc. can't eg load archive.is most of the time, and so on
mp_en_viaje: i think a lot's been gained here.
mp_en_viaje: no longer merely "do not use shitlangs, they rot the brain" but rather the much more refined "do not use shitlangs as langs, they're not that, and don't swallow, either".
mp_en_viaje: specifically : the public statues are sufficiently elaborate, the public stellae high enough, in any case our notions and conceits sufficiently advanced to support (in my judgement) revisiting of the shitlangs, with clear deliniation as to why and what and wherefore.
mp_en_viaje: aaand in other MAJOR http://trilema.com/2018/how-things-have-changed/ developments, http://www.krankendenken.com/2019/10/mp-wp-bot-workplan-now-until-november-3rd/#comment-133 stands like an absolute milestone. there's also a cultural aspect to contend with now!
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, i wouldn't worry THAT much about the materials, even a 5lb hammer and a chunk of rock will be sufficient.
mp_en_viaje: so if anyone's into instagram talk to her
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile i moved the bimbo from fetlife work to instagram work yest, on the groudns that "what the fuck, all these uppity gorgons, go talk to pretty girls at least"
mp_en_viaje: and ty asciilifeform !
BingoBoingo: hanbot_abroad: In the next 24-36 hours I hope to have access to pass out. Once I wake up I'll run to the market where folks lay out their weird for sale looking for some things to help the coming disk clean up. Then it'll be back to knocking 'anyserver' into an interim place for blogs to see some light again.
BingoBoingo: Aite, 'anyserver' has the right versions of apache and php finally built and working together.
asciilifeform: ( 'this' == the old gentoo )
asciilifeform: i'ma put in deedbot the final cookbook for this, when i wakeup.
diana_coman: all those installation notes from past times came in extremely handy indeed; a few hurdles existed, quite as expected with respect to finding again various precise versions of stuff so from now on I'll have to backup *that* too.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje production server & db successfully running on my local test-setup so that part at least seems all right; tomorrow I'll look at the dev server too.
mp_en_viaje: makes me think of http://trilema.com/2012/ziarul-gratuit-din-orasul-inutil-sau-invers/ sadly enough
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/sadly-frankfurts-fucked/ << Trilema -- Sadly Frankfurt's fucked.
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: sadly that doesn't seem to be going anywhere indeed, the crowncloud guy lingers in #o but doesn't answer any q so it probably won't come to anything.
BingoBoingo: But apparently there's isn't much left of the world to be had.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-10 11:32:38 mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, aite. ill cover w/e you paid, lump it with the drive incinerations and w/e else such odds and ends.
BingoBoingo: In erred in interpreting http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-10#1944577 as leading to some other arrangement being preferable
BingoBoingo: hanbot_abroad: I'm about to dive into the CentOS anybox again now that I've sourced a bunch of inexpensive diamond grind/cut bits and have them in hand.
hanbot_abroad: yeah. the surrounding artefacts are still there! just...kinda sadly muffled from beneath the surface, unable to be relevant in the context of the overpopulated stupidities that surround them.
diana_coman: hmm, I can see how that can end up the same actually, yes; the absence is the same after all, regardless of path to it and even of surrounding artefacts I suppose.
hanbot_abroad: you know? and yet, overtolerance and complacency end up lookin' the same anywhere, like a semi-opaque film.
diana_coman: ahahah, that's hard to quite picture a deutch-latino mixture
hanbot_abroad is gravely behind on logs, having been wringing germany out in the bathtub to see if a drop of sanity is left here somewhere.
hanbot_abroad: BingoBoingo did y'all manage some sort of UY1 interim access scheme? can i ssh thar now/sometime soon?
asciilifeform: ( full thrd in #o , for anyone else requiring this item ; tho iirc no one but diana_coman & asciilifeform used )
asciilifeform: update re that gentoo : appears to meet req ; will deed updated recipe after item fully put through paces on diana_coman's side .
asciilifeform: e.g. the logger, already transitioned from 'hold-up wall' to 'wall', ideally erry useful product similar.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: aside from 'help diana_coman get smg despite isp lost at sea' in general , not being a latech, asciilifeform wants to make proper 'walls', rather than ' asciilifeform holds up the wall ' walls. in the spirit of 'publish fg schems' etc.
asciilifeform finally fixed that gentoo, and while it uploads to snail box...