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asciilifeform: and 'fixed 10m pipe w/ burstings', sat for 4hrs reading various lit and still no definitive 'here's how these work' to show for it
mp_en_viaje: yes, through this avenue.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: aa, but they have claptrap re 'ddos proof'
asciilifeform: and this is merely asciilifeform's human www , which direly needs moving, not even speaking of mighty boxen w/ dozens of cpu etc
asciilifeform: still want a reach-with-hands 'postbox' tho !
asciilifeform: if this carries on , i'ma send it to maxim's
asciilifeform: 'answers' included 'i must ask the boss, thank you for patience' etc claptrap.
asciilifeform rages re the bmoar people, wtf, asked'em simple q : 'how does ddos play into yer per-packet billing scheme' prior to subscribing simple box w/ own www ; nao 3d waiting for answer...
mp_en_viaje: nfi what the fuck we'll do, but anyways. "being worked up-on"
mp_en_viaje: ideal is jam on toast. without jam, can have toast. without toast, can have oral sex.
asciilifeform: that way if dc roof caves or whatnot, and street urchings gather up the rubble...
asciilifeform: there's no beating this , tru
mp_en_viaje: sure, but a box locked by a wot man offers the golden standard.
asciilifeform: well consider, you didn't notice that he was dead. wasn't much of a runner in recent decades.
mp_en_viaje: a ? must've been a blow to the rubber chicken salesmen.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i know some ~ex~ physicists. but they're all 80yo d00dz whose 'work' mainly is to water their gardens nao.
mp_en_viaje: there's the conference remnants, greatly beloved for purely prop-qualities, hawkings et al. but no real muscle left.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, this is pretty much so. i know of no actual physicists still working.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: at this rate, the sad dc asciilifeform decided to move his www to (bmor) might be the 1st to stand up. and it's ungodly slow.
mp_en_viaje: pizarro failure hurts not merely technologically, but also custodianly.
mp_en_viaje: the one remaining major impediment to actually bringing eulora back up is that... well, gotta find actual dc. and eh... eulora being game server has all sorta code we intend to stay secret ~permanently~, it's not so simple.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: right, and worse still, not even 'reduce magnetism', but even simpler problems remain open, e.g. 'why does supercon.' simply there aint any newton-grade folx involved in the field anymoar, all that's left is the 'throw particles against wall and type output into 'ms-excel' folx.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'ma incorporate the linked items (apparently missed on 1st pass) but will wait for final verdict from diana_coman in next 2d if no one else is in a burning hurry to have recipe.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: see from there down, there's a few more, arguably more important too
asciilifeform: diana_coman: is '32' the only omission ?
diana_coman: will do it tomorrow if needed, ok.
mp_en_viaje: you can physics just fine. go, figure out magnetism. you can't, however, high energy particle physics without EITHER the high energy particles or an einsteinian knack for clueless prophecy / newtonian grasp on maths. but even if 2nd lobe, still will need 1st lobe confirmation. this is unavoidable.
diana_coman: uhm, then why did I dump changes in log, lolz.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-13 16:29:21 diana_coman: asciilifeform: at point 3-2 I started the boot partition at 32 (because lilo needs 0-31)
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-13 13:47:47 mp_en_viaje: 100% same thing or no good
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945102 - as per this and given the diff notes, still needs changes & re-deed
asciilifeform: ( other extreme, is today's 'shuddup, cern can physics and y'all go home, slice-lengthwise!11' )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: that'd be 1 tard-extreme ( illustrated by hobbes. )
mp_en_viaje: what next, "astronomy should be limited to what all men can see with own eyes", part and parcel of "service should be in whatever barbarbar my mommy spoke to me" ?
asciilifeform: such poor was the sealant, that he ended up keeping the old controversy of 'horror vacui' alive (vessel wouldn't stay evacuated)
asciilifeform: fella is today 'mega-chemist' , but he did not even publish recipe for his sealing cement (apparently used rotten cheese or some wtf) and folx were stuck reverse-engineering.
mp_en_viaje: for a period nobody could properly replicate anything. in ru this extended to like 1955
asciilifeform: d00d's air pump was worse 'craftsman voodoo' than just about anyffing today.
mp_en_viaje: there's no room for "i feel my dick should be able to go where mp's goes on the grounds of... well, it being MY dick"
asciilifeform: but the crack in the pavement apparently started w/ boyle's.
mp_en_viaje: fact of the matter is that if you wanna write about frankfrurt, you eitehr go to frankfurt or stfu.
mp_en_viaje: the french had an equiv problem, "lavoisier equipment too expensive, why tells us we are poor"
asciilifeform: i had nfi that hobbes had anyffin useful to say. but apparently did, and was actually right, that pump ended up trigger for 'need mega-funding' failure cascade leading to, arguably, today's 'eotvos' et al.
ossabot: Logged on 2017-01-09 23:11:59 mircea_popescu: is this where your hatred of cyclotrons was nursed ?
asciilifeform recently, when 'took r&r break' briefly, unearthed that apparently r. boyle was accused by t. hobbes of, essentially, of 'cyclotron', for introducing the (expensive, at the time) air pump as a centerpiece of royal society demos. pretty interesting vintage wank.
asciilifeform realizes that this is rather 'petrological' vision of knowledge. 'dinosaurs died an' liquified, nao we pump'em.' but what can do, when little in the way of new ones walking around.
mp_en_viaje: (no joke but plainest deadpan : original conception of ur-anglouniversity was attempt to read buried texts of classics)
asciilifeform: is how one gets 'a clue', neh. from them clue-mines.
mp_en_viaje: funny thing is, ~only known method to getting a clue is same.
asciilifeform: 'royal society minutes' sorta web-facing. yet not even this, i suspect, 100% read yet.
mp_en_viaje: this is also the problem -- not webfacing.
asciilifeform: ( and gauss, did not even have typewriter ! )
mp_en_viaje: i'd be curious to see what mechanical panopticons they built to help with the process, because trying to flatten the web of reference and context is quite the expexplosion.
mp_en_viaje: yah, imagine man of the futuretrying to do tlp-adnotation on trilema.
asciilifeform: there's 'bottomless' barrel there.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i tend to spend 20-30m reading old mp_en_viaje pieces when waking up
mp_en_viaje: i suspect trilema is actually my colt, retirement plan.
asciilifeform did this, when baking ' asciilifeform's gentoo ', but most of what's hanging from asciilifeform's lan is pretty slow cpuwise
asciilifeform: this is 1 of the items that actually wins from the use of inexpensive leased boxen tho. can have multiple staging units where worlds are rebuilding while other work carries on, potentially.
asciilifeform specifically omitted discussion of adjustments that would require 'world rebuilds', it would catastrophically delay diana_coman et al. but eventually will have to be discussed, in re: e.g. ssl removal.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: for given recipe, this required at the very least a rebuild world and given the goal of checking if indeed can bring up both servers, preferably sooner rather than later, I did not attempt that.
asciilifeform: ( ftr 99% of why asciilifeform ~even used~ gentoos , is the ability to ban-flag / peg versions of packages with fine grain )
mp_en_viaje: since eulora actually uses tmsr crypto anyway, imo it is worth trying an empire-crypto-less system for it.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: is why it took asciilifeform several months to derive the original set of ban flags.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: hm; some dependencies seemed to pull in some crypto; didn't fully investigate to see if they can in turn work without etc, perhaps yes.
asciilifeform: (and that's simply cpu time)
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: entirely correct. for instance, after adding a ban flag, to bring the system into conformance with it takes a 'rebuild world', i.e. 2-3 day process.
mp_en_viaje: t need even that for curl specifically. curl will work with no crypto.
diana_coman: otherwise yes, I had banned in on the previous smg test server and simply got on with libressl
mp_en_viaje: grand problem with c-anything is that there's no php-like "lulz, three stiches and a dab, you'll be done in five hours). anythng, ANYTHING, even something as simple as "make the fucking int datatypes match across the code" turn into multi-week, 100+ hour projects.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: indeed. off the shelf gentoo includes it, because mirrors tend to be sslistic
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: the problem is that the recipe makes a system on which openssl is *already installed*
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: iirc trinque had an experimental cuntoo variant that was built with '-ssh' ban flag. will see what he says when wakes up re this subj ☟︎
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-13 16:57:07 asciilifeform: did not remember that there remained projects still relying on pre-ave1 gnat
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-13 16:54:35 diana_coman: asciilifeform: for eulora I need: app-misc/screen, ftjam, net-misc/curl (that runs into the openssl shit), dev-db/mysql (5.6.39 or earlier) + cs and cal3d but those are frozen versions/not portage anyway
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-13 17:00:39 asciilifeform: really folx oughta thrust, imho, into actual cuntoo, when this is practical, rather than to persist with asciilifeform's old piece
asciilifeform: but to revisit upstack -- i pulled this item off shelf to help diana_coman , who has legacy softs that are known not to work in cuntoo. and for own needs, because my attempts to bake a working cuntoo have failed ( and take ~day or so to even fire off, so difficult so far to debug . )
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-13 17:00:20 asciilifeform: begins to suspect that he's making a 'cheap chinese cuntoo', maybe this is Wrong Thing
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945172 - asciilifeform , are you saying that you can do same with cuntoo directly?
asciilifeform: (consider the still-unresolved 'log url scheme' quandary )
mp_en_viaje: (speaking of which, isn't the select mechanism beautiful in how it ~supplants anchors~!!!)
mp_en_viaje: pretty much only thing it's for is to fish http://trilema.com/2019/sadly-frankfurts-fucked/?b=beautifully%20shaped&e=Ethiopian%20girl#select off of.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, yeah, the worthlessness of child's net aka www is well documented on trilema also.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-13 16:48:02 diana_coman: aha; I actually had the mysql precise thing in one of the backups but rather deeply burried so at the time of the test I went with this mirror; but as I was saying, by default I rather tend to unplug the network cable when installing systems.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945139 << this is golden standard anyway, recipe that dun live up to it can only really be used by bimbos for bimbo toys. not 0-value, but still.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: observe, i cooked this image 2y ago, and all of the mirrors which then were alive, today dead.
asciilifeform: mirrors suck if only by wasting time, they have life expectancy of laboratory rat
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: the mirrors are used to pull down tarballs for which in the image 'portage' already contains frozen hashes. but really these oughta be abolished, and all tarballs to be present on install stick.
mp_en_viaje: im not saying don't do it, i'm... well, im not even fucking sure what i'm saying. the thought occured.
asciilifeform: esp. these.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, any indiv binaries imo, esp discrete pieces which "so as to save hours".
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-13 16:46:20 diana_coman: asciilifeform: the mirrors I have in my /etc/portage/make.conf after getting rid of dead ones + adding at least one with required mysql: gentoo.gossamerhost.com gentoo.supp.name mirror.neolabs.kz/gentoo/pub mirrors.xservers.ro/gentoo/ gentoo/bloodhost.ru gentoo.wheel.sk bbgentoo.ilb.ru
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945135 << the risk with enumerating such is that nao any slashdot "buyer" / malware distributor has a list to work off of.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: hash of entire image, goes in the recipe (as in r4) but really any included items also oughta indiv.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: chroots are tricky , but there is a very limited use of'em in the r4 recipe (where could not avoid.)
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-13 16:45:39 asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'ma also include prebuilt kernel in this one, so that if no adjustment is req'd, the (potentially hours) taken up by build of the kernel, can be avoided in installation
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945134 << then put hashes in the deed too.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-13 16:44:55 asciilifeform: diana_coman: in the single-stick item i'm baking atm, there is a dir where all the turnable-knob configs are in , and copied to the new disk as part of install. so user can set'em up beforehand, rather than to work inside the chroot.
asciilifeform: really folx oughta thrust, imho, into actual cuntoo, when this is practical, rather than to persist with asciilifeform's old piece
asciilifeform begins to suspect that he's making a 'cheap chinese cuntoo', maybe this is Wrong Thing