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mircea_popescu: the main difference here is this : mtgox and the pprocessors are all stuck with one foot in fiat.
EskimoBob: sure they are but this is another story
EskimoBob: mircea_popescu: i was laughing at your "companies worth millions, like the couple on mpex"
EmanuelDeOrtego: EskimoBob: then why bother with Bitcoin then?
mircea_popescu: EskimoBob want to sue me ?
mircea_popescu: companies worth millions, like the couple on mpex, they have a very vested interest to fight it out.
EmanuelDeOrtego: If that's the case, then Bitcoin is undervalued.
EmanuelDeOrtego: Anyways, there's 10 million dollars and a corporate interest away from a totally defunct Bitcoin network.
mircea_popescu: there's never not going to be mining. that's done. moving on.
mircea_popescu: mining had value up until last year, when this point was still being established.
mircea_popescu: wherther the network exists or not, that's no longer dubious. you understand this ?
EmanuelDeOrtego: As long as the network exists, a Bitcoin will be worth at least a nickel.
EmanuelDeOrtego: What makes and destroys Bitcoin in the end is its network.
mircea_popescu: the companies that make money no matter what are infrastructure.
mircea_popescu: you think miners are infrastructure ? bs. miners are dust. anyone can mine. mpex is infrastructure. satoshi dice is infrastructure.
mircea_popescu: what do you think "infrastructure" is ?
EmanuelDeOrtego: You can't buy out Bitcoin without owning all the infrastructure.
mircea_popescu: does not buy a tech comp.
mircea_popescu: maybe a new wife, if she's either well used up or else 2nd tier.
mircea_popescu: 10k, 50k... that buys a new car.
mircea_popescu: but at any rate, tech early stage investment is reserved for people with millions.
mircea_popescu: not you, that schmuck eskimobob
EmanuelDeOrtego: Try 20k tied up here.
mircea_popescu: money. talks. internet personalities like the ex stock broker raising 12k nut here... they don't get a voice.
EmanuelDeOrtego: Bitcoin is a little different than a tech company
mircea_popescu: i didn't make these up, it's what they are.
mircea_popescu: numbers are 15 to 20x forward PE for a successfull tech company that dominates its new niche
mircea_popescu: if people hurt when they were being ridiculous we'd run out of drugs
EmanuelDeOrtego: Mircea: Markets are based on humans and their desires
mircea_popescu: wah wah i can't do math, wah wah i have no money, wah wah take me into account wah wah
EmanuelDeOrtego: I see no reason for it. We have that BitInstant credit card and Silk Road volume keeps going up.
EskimoBob: pickett_: ltc PPT was closed last week and everyone was paid. But this was really small ppt fund one of the zeros was closed and paid too but I think they had the BTC available
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101902.20 so amusing to read the forum
mircea_popescu: maybe we'll just sit right under it for the rest of the month.
EmanuelDeOrtego: We'll be back over 10 by the end of the week
gribble: Best bid: 9.51, Best ask: 9.51989, Bid-ask spread: 0.00989, Last trade: 9.51, 24 hour volume: 282175, 24 hour low: 7.58, 24 hour high: 10.5
mircea_popescu: but anyway, i have a couple meetings to attend, catch you all in a little bit.
mircea_popescu: blue chip are these elite companies that make up the nyse stock index.
btcoin: ok, i see FAQ, looks complicated. 20BTC account fee!? OK not doing that, just wanted to buy baybe 1000 shares only. flag
mircea_popescu: brendio used to do that i think, possibly smickles too.
mircea_popescu: or else find someone who is willing to broker for you.
mircea_popescu: a ok. well in that case you'll eiher have to read the faq/make an account
btcoin: I dont normally do anything, I have no idea about any of whats going on on that page
mircea_popescu: btcoin what do you normally use to connect, pympex ?
mircea_popescu: http://polimedia.us/bitcoin/mpex.php maybe the faq helps ?
btcoin: how do you do that? Confused
bitfoo: well, I mean the first 1000 BTC
BTC-Mining: Patrick can't handle the kind of money Pirate handled tho
bitfoo: ...if it doesn't by then
bitfoo: your passthrough will probably sell out the moment pirate returns funds
BTC-Mining: I'm raraly able to get my bids filled
BTC-Mining: Although I'd prefer the first option, the second being just for the heck of it
BTC-Mining: Ah, that too maybe...
BTCHero: Well there should be like, off the book bids that don't go on until you get dividends or sell something
BTC-Mining: So I guess that would greatly reduce lack of bids
BTC-Mining: Well would allow to place as much bids as you wish based on your total amount as the max...
BTCHero: incase something sells buy this
BTCHero: oh, yeah that would be cool
BTCHero: what? do you mean like buy shares with btc that aren't in my account? I don't understand
mircea_popescu: BTCHero well soon there will be the ability to bid w/o reserve i understand.
BTC-Mining: It needs to be in 100 BTC increments however, I can only deposit/withdraw in such increments
BTC-Mining: But probably not full price, I would need to get that covered with my own BTC
BTC-Mining: Maybe I could do that, yes
BTCHero: BTC-Mining: are you going to put up a bid wall or anything to improve liquidity?
BTCHero: time to buy more kraken
BTCHero: yeah, i am out of the loop
bitfoo: oh, that's starfish bcb
BTCHero: sorry about that
bitfoo: I guess we're not talking about the same thing?
BTCHero: By default, accounts are compounding. For accounts greater than 10 BTC a weekly interest payout option is available.
bitfoo: ok, thanks
BTC-Mining: So that's what is available
bitfoo: BTC-Mining: your pass through has limited space right?
BTCHero: he said he would reasses after things settle down
mircea_popescu: i got an acct maybe a week ago, so i dunno. maybe it's new this closure.
BTCHero: so take that too
BTCHero: because i don't get paid, i just watch the balance go up :)
bitfoo: you got the hookup
BTCHero: well, i don't know what to say
BTCHero: it reinvests by default i think
bitfoo: I thought there was no reinvesting
BTCHero: im bothersome like that
BTCHero: take that
bitfoo: there were lots of people clamoring for accounts there
bitfoo: you should announce it on the kraken thread
BTC-Mining: I already have the account + capacity
BTCHero: because it sounded like he wasn't taking more btc or more accounts at the moment
BTC-Mining: On his thread
BTC-Mining: He limited it to 25 accounts for now
mircea_popescu: i thought he was.
BTCHero: he wasn't taking new deposits right???
gribble: Best bid: 9.55, Best ask: 9.63407, Bid-ask spread: 0.08407, Last trade: 9.63407, 24 hour volume: 279204, 24 hour low: 7.58, 24 hour high: 11.00382
mircea_popescu: ahahaha so that's what's going on eh
gribble: Best bid: 9.98001, Best ask: 10.11634, Bid-ask spread: 0.13633, Last trade: 9.98001, 24 hour volume: 281854, 24 hour low: 7.58, 24 hour high: 11.19796
dub: oh, is all over the place, ignore me
mircea_popescu: if you think it doesn't move you sell either/both.
mircea_popescu: if you think it goes higher you buy calls
mircea_popescu: if you think the price goes lower you buy puts
Doffx: So I basically want to buy in and hope the price goes lower
Doffx: Ok, lets see then.