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dub: he's the kid that isnt allowed in the sandpit because he keeps pooping in the sand then eating sandy poop
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining suppose tomorrow btc is gone.
dub: midnightmagic: maged is a problem for me too
Bugpowder: It's 2 kids arguing over lunch money a recess. Not that interesting
midnightmagic: dub: The problem I have is that Maged is considering this at all.
midnightmagic: then: [06:07:41] <EskimoBob> usagi: HOW MANY TIMES DO YOU NEED ME TO TELL YOU "YES"?
BTC-Mining: But the worth has grown so much I can handle large BTC losses
dub: midnightmagic: best to let what happens in the sandpit at the special kindergarten stay there?
midnightmagic: meanwhile, out of context: [06:07:17] <usagi> Eskimobob. yes or no. final offer. Are you going to shut the fuck up about me and my businesses from now? If you agree, I'll buy you out at .53 a share. Right now.
Bugpowder: All these finance assholes chasing yield... None of them buying bitcoins. Seems like a no brainer.
BTC-Mining: Not only that, but you can make good returns trading in BTC on top of it.
midnightmagic: the "how many time do you need me to tell you yes" was a restatement of his earlier "yes"es which were his own idea of the contract.
BTC-Mining: BTC appreciates much faster than interests on fiat loans...
Bugpowder: Can we put that 5BTC joke of a discussion in a different channel?
midnightmagic: both agreeing to totally different contracts. And now you both get to argue with one another until the end of time.
midnightmagic: .. yeah, that doesn't look much like contract at all. It looks to me like "Here's the deal, i'll buy back iff" then "I send shares, you send coins" "do you agree not to shittalk me?" "yes", then "fuck off". it's wayy too slippery to state with finality. There is no agreed contract, there's interference between the action of the trade and the agreement most germane to the trade. The restatement of terms by EB means you were
Bugpowder: might be time to take some profits BTC-Mining
BTC-Mining: I have fiat loans turned into BTC =/
BTC-Mining: I definitly need to get more into Bitcoin
Bugpowder: I've heard 'they can't get lower' so many times... Long bond yields were rock bottom for decades in 30s-50s.
Bugpowder: Interesting action with TLT... QE3 comes out and TLT just keeps going up
Bugpowder: God US Treasuries are going to spike when the shit goes down
mircea_popescu: i was expecting soem dip on the sec news. but nope
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder true.
Bugpowder: I don't believe in technical analysis, but damn does the BTC/$ chart look strong.
Bugpowder: Gotta get to $2 first
Bugpowder: That is going to take some serious legal threats
dub: I'd much rather see $2.65 than $14
mircea_popescu: a ways to go
gribble: Best bid: 12.41, Best ask: 12.4102, Bid-ask spread: 0.00020, Last trade: 12.41, 24 hour volume: 23283, 24 hour low: 12.02, 24 hour high: 12.4102
midnightmagic: k, thanks EB.
midnightmagic: EskimoBob: Is there some thread somewhere that I can read without wading through a bunch of crappy garbage and whining? :)
Luceo: I suggest any doubters read the IRC log
Luceo: EskimoBob: lol? Why would I need to be told how to think? You clearly broke the agreement you made
midnightmagic: "decide this case"? Is this about a scammer tag?
Luceo: My perception isn't particularly important, Maged has ruled that you need to refund the difference
Luceo: You said that AFTER the trade finished
Lyspooner: oh no, nothing, this is fun
mircea_popescu: what was the q ?
Luceo: No, you didn't. He repeatedly added that the deal was you had to stfu
mircea_popescu: Lyspooner im sory, you got drowned in the drama
Luceo: A lot of people witnessed the implied contract
Luceo: usagi didn't just offer to buy shares at 50% above their trade value for no reason
Luceo: But that wasn't the whole contract, was it?
Luceo: No, there were no excuses. The coin and shares transferred flawlessly.
Luceo: I read that as 'for me'
Luceo: For the THIRD time
Luceo: EskimoBob: If you buy a server and a domain from me, and I deliver only the server, have I successfully traded with you or not?
Luceo: EskimoBob: Yes, did he get the other service which you sold him?
mircea_popescu: wasn't talking about you.
Luceo: mircea_popescu: I'm not abusing the bot :(
mircea_popescu: dude's not very bright is he. i take him off ignore to help him out. sigh.
EskimoBob: dude, I take you off the ignore and this is what you come up with
Luceo: EskimoBob: My rating said that you successfully traded with usagi, I can't hold that rating can I?
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. User eskimobob, rated since Sat Jun 4 09:35:57 2011. Cumulative rating -2, from 3 total ratings. Received ratings: 2 positive, 1 negative. Sent ratings: 2 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=eskimobob
EskimoBob: wtf are you talking about mircea_popescu?
EskimoBob: Luceo: thank you for showing me that your rating is meaningless
mircea_popescu: EskimoBob mostly cause i don't appreciate the bs wot abuse going on.
Lyspooner: is there a BFL type asset on the market?
FabianB: testing coinbr by trading :)
FabianB: will continue testing over next days
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user EskimoBob has changed from -4 to -4.
FabianB: heh, thanks jurov, coinbr looks great so far
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user EskimoBob has changed from -2 to -4.
gribble: You rated user eskimobob on Mon Sep 24 11:51:24 2012, giving him a rating of -2, and supplied these additional notes: broke his word on a contract. untrustworthy and a bit of a jerk..
mircea_popescu: i usually check in the web interface when i do
Luceo: mircea_popescu: Well they usually getrating in public :P
mircea_popescu: Luceo you know it works in pms with gribble too
gribble: Trust relationship from user Ignatius-otc to user luceo: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. Graph: http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=Ignatius-otc&dest=luceo
mircea_popescu: Ignatius-bot its not "infallible". its just a tool.
Luceo: mircea_popescu: The links would matter more IF people used gettrust instead of getrating
Ignatius-otc: but if we promote is an infallible thats a huge stretch
Ignatius-otc: I have no better ideas copumkin, dont misunderstand. I appreciate the wot and for me so far it has gone well, no scams
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. User pirateat40, rated since Mon Aug 1 14:18:45 2011. Cumulative rating -46, from 92 total ratings. Received ratings: 61 positive, 31 negative. Sent ratings: 65 positive, 1 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=pirateat40
Ignatius-otc: I agree most people look at the rating themselves and the raters, as copumpkin said gettrust is awesome. but to then forget that anyone can become well rated then decide to scam big time is silly, and it isnt a working system of trust
gribble: Trust relationship from user usagi to user luceo: Level 1: 5, Level 2: 4 via 3 connections. Graph: http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=usagi&dest=luceo
copumpkin: there's nothing you can do to stop false identities
rg: its creating multiple identities to rate yoursel
mircea_popescu: Luceo don't think in numeric terms. the links matter more.
rg: and the ratings will stioll be there
rg: that's why the system works
Luceo: Neither will anyone remove the +40 he's given himself
Luceo: Wont happen though
Luceo: rg: What's best for my rating is a moderator removing the -50 coolio has put on it :)
rg: but sometimes you have to suck it up and do what sbest for your rating
rg: there have been many people who tried to - me
Luceo: is going to get people scammed
Luceo: on the other hand
Luceo: The fact that he uprated himself +40
Luceo: The fact that he downrated me isn't THAT bad
Luceo: The thing is
Luceo: But gribble WOT is controlled by nanotube, and nanotube doesn't want to change it
Luceo: And then to rate after they trade
Luceo: Which requires both users to confirm a trade, and trade value BEFORE they trade
Luceo: Code an alternative to gribble WOT
Luceo: I can only suggest that everyone downrates coolio and his sockie so he cant scam anyone else
mircea_popescu: whos that ?
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Luceo!~Luc3o@gateway/tor-sasl/luceo . User Luceo, rated since Tue Jun 12 11:09:09 2012. Cumulative rating 24, from 50 total ratings. Received ratings: 44 positive, 6 negative. Sent ratings: 52 positive, 5 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=Luceo
Luceo: I've given up on the WOT :P
Luceo: I think it's pretty sad that you cant keep a bargain