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OneEyed: And as a (admittedly not very good) go player myself, I can't read what you're
trying
to do here since it doesn't correspond
to what you write.
Diablo-D3: I wonder which admin
thought
this was a good idea
Diablo-D3: this is seriously offtopic for
the forum
Diablo-D3: I wonder if I can automate
this with perl
Diablo-D3: theres a scammer accusations board on
the forum
OneEyed: But once again, you may not have planned
to shut down CPA, but in
this case, I don't understand why you decided for it.
assbot: CPA [1@0.1BTC] paid: 0.00569688 BTC. Last price: 0.04 BTC. Capital gain: -0.06 BTC.
Total: -0.05430312 BTC. (-54.3%)
OneEyed: usagi: from where I stand, it looks like you may have setup
this contract for
the sole purpose of
transferring money from BMF
to CPA
through
the premiums, since CPA won't go
through
the planned contract length
that you agreed with yourself upon.
assbot: Requesting data from GLBSE (might
take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc).
Diablo-D3: the cpa contract is worth zero no matter if usagi is
the best fund manager in
the world or not
Diablo-D3: usagi can accuse me of being a
troll, but its a conflict of interest
OneEyed: usagi: I'm
trying
to understand why insuring BMF with CPA was a good idea
to start with, given
that you might have known
that you would shut CPA down before paying BMF anything. I'm not in your head, so I cannot make my mind about whether you knew
that you would or would not shut down CPA.
Diablo-D3: OneEyed: I havent looked at it, but if it only covers up
to what was paid in,
then BMF has no recourse
OneEyed: usagi: you mean he wants people
to understand by
themselves?
That looks rather sane
to me, doesn't it?
Diablo-D3: OneEyed: btw,
theres also a structure of how
the CPA contract was written
OneEyed: usagi: I'm seeing
this and
try
to understand. So far, I can't understand
the CPA / BMF situation.
Jackmaninov: basically GLBSE has
turned into a minefield
OneEyed: Diablo-D3: why? When you agree
to pay a premium every week for an insurance, you
take
the duration of
the contract in account as well.
OneEyed: "Sorry guys, I've been screwed up by
this usagi person - Yours, usagi"
OneEyed: Diablo-D3:
that's where
the fact
that both are run by
the same person give it a meaning again: usagi can't say "eh, usagi said it was out of business, so I usagi can do nothing"
Diablo-D3: OneEyed: CPA is no longer in business, so
the
term uncancellable has no meaning
Diablo-D3: so
the guy
that
thought shutting down CPA was a good idea is
the same guy who runs BMF.
Diablo-D3: OneEyed: except CPA and BMF are ran by
the same guy
OneEyed: Unless BMF
thinks
that
the insurance it signed
the contract for is no longer worth
the premium
to be paid, and wants out as well :)
OneEyed: Diablo-D3: agreed. Except
that
the contract is explicitely uncancellable. So
to let CPA out of its obligations, BMF should ask for all
the premiums already paid, if not more.
Diablo-D3: to default is if I a claim was made on
the insurance and CPA paid out nothing
Diablo-D3: if I paid CPA x btc over several weeks, and
they pay me back x btc
to cancel
the contract,
they havent defaulted on
the contract
Diablo-D3: OneEyed:
the
term "contract default" doesnt have
the meaning here you
think it does
OneEyed: Diablo-D3: I understand CPA is paying out its ongoing debt,
that is contracts
that have already defaulted,
that's not
the same
thing
OneEyed: Diablo-D3: otherwise, it would be easy
to assure a default and stop right in
the middle of
the contract when you feel it may effectively default
OneEyed: Diablo-D3: so will
the 5 BTC amount payed every week
to CPA be reimbursed
to BMF?
Diablo-D3: OneEyed:
technically its a conflict of interest anyhow, so arguably
the contract was invalid
to begin with
FabianB: jurov: yay, coinbr with more
testers bugfree soon and going mainstream :)
OneEyed: Diablo-D3: I know
that. But how will
the dispute about
this contract be resolved? Who will win? CPA shareholders or BMF shareholders? Can't be both.
drekk: Cylta, like browse
the list of assets in glbse and see whether or not
they're related
to mining
drekkAFK: Cylta, on
the homepages of
the exchanges, i guess?!
Cylta: Where I can find list of assets,
that are not connected with mining?
OneEyed: assbot: if you
tried
to withdraw a large amount, it may be unavailable yet in
the hot wallet
asa1024: I guess I will email nefario and wait a few days
to get an answer - if I get one @ all.
asa1024: anyone having problems withdrawing funds from GLBSE? I withdrew some funds last night/this morning and I still have yet
to get
them @ my online wallet.
kakobrekla: aha yeah Diablo-D3
thought smth like
that
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: yeah, I dont like where
this is headed
gribble: nefario was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 15 hours, 38 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <nefario>
Those assets are not listed or
traded anymore
kakobrekla: >>Mt. Gox mobile, available from Google Play and on jailbroken iPhones using Cydia allows you
to redeem private key QR codes into your Mt. Gox account.
mircea_popescu: typical glbse business :
takes in 17k btc rfrom investors, pays 1.2k in dividends
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: yeah but
those were pregenerated and considered safe
kakobrekla: no i need
this shit for something else
mircea_popescu: so it's a business venue for someone
to provide
this service
to stores
Diablo-D3: yes but you need enough looking glasses
to do
that
Diablo-D3: if Ive figured out
the store's node network, I can spam
the
tx on
the other side of
the network
mircea_popescu: if you've gone even 1 minute w/io a competing
transaction propagating
Diablo-D3: the whole point of a qr code private key is
to instantly check out
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 so you have
to wait a moment for
the confirm wtf.
Diablo-D3: since I emitted
the
TX first, most likely mine wins
the race
Diablo-D3: I just walked out of
the store with
the merchendise.
kakobrekla: your
tx will get refused if
they got 1 confirm on it
Diablo-D3: you should already know
thats a potential double spend attack
Diablo-D3: Ive already walked out of
the shop by
the
time
they realize
they've been had
Diablo-D3: gen qr code, generate move
tx, scan qr code on other machine,
they gen move
tx
Diablo-D3: one
that can be checked instantly for validity
Diablo-D3: but on an android app,
the implication would be instant checkout
Diablo-D3: if
they wait
the usual 6 blocks,
thats fine
Diablo-D3: because you could use
that as a potential double spend attack
kakobrekla: any android app can read qr code private keys and redeem
them somehow?
kakobrekla: i guess i need
to switch
to gigabit network as well
Diablo-D3: I wonder why
they havent switched
to arm
BTC-Mining: If anyone wants
to bookmark it anyway, it's
there now
BTC-Mining: (I also love making spreadsheet
tools)
BTC-Mining: Yeah, not really hard
to calculate, but it's faster
to quickly browse all options with chart beside
mircea_popescu: (i kinda do
this in my head, i'm guessing most options people do
too)
BTC-Mining: Will be easier
to spot good contracts
to buy sell depending on what exchange rate is expected.
BTC-Mining: Not sure how
to remove
the protected range view by default
tho
BTC-Mining: If anyone want
to
try, only
the current price should be editable.
BTC-Mining: Hmm, I've made a
tool so you can check
the current value of CALL/PUT contracts