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hanbot_abroad: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-02-18#1958312 << wait, wouldn't this family name be "melter"?
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2020/are-you-a-sovereign-citizen/ << Trilema -- Are you a sovereign citizen ?
mircea_popescu: so what's the point, casual usage of the word sin is triggering ?
jfw: trinque: hm, I thought you had implemented selection there but doesn't appear working.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-18 19:33:08 tecuane: which is weird af when you consider the second line of the first link on your ml post: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/r08ACagY/image.png
jfw: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-02-18#1958204 - I'll be so kind as to fix the reference for him; I suppose raster graphics must seem as good as text when your alphabet is unbounded: http://trinque.org/2019/12/29/a-republican-os-part-2/?b=The%20English&e=.#select
mircea_popescu: i can kinda see it in their eyes of the mind.
mircea_popescu: anyways, contrary to the purportings and pretences traditionally required by their culture, i do kinda suspect ye pantsuit gets pretty well overwhelmed in this here copacetic copse of #trilema
mircea_popescu: i guess they'll have their own cristian topescu. it's unavoidable.
mircea_popescu: anyways, ff they had known they might have found a world of joy... but as they lived on the midnight side of the mountain...
diana_coman: the things I still...know; lolz.
diana_coman: I winced at cristian topescu recollection as I can still hear the descriptions of figure skaters' costumes, colours included, argghhh.
mircea_popescu: but i hope that she's regarding her death with the requisite superior detachement, feigned as it may be. "well... that didn't whelm!"
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, but she died BY HERSELF, among 50 dogs, and nobody found her for a week. none of those thousands of facebook friends.
mircea_popescu: rade, as part of being independent liberated woman etc -- as a colt she wished something or the other re "oualelor de paste" which is an impossible construction derived off romanian ou ie egg by someone who doesn't understand how difficult genitives form. so she was celebrated for an april in song and lulz
mircea_popescu: incidentally, cristina topescu died recently, as in, over xmas (this was the daughter of just such a wonder, the ONLY romanian sports commenter, one cristian topescu. socialist romania had one of everything, you knew what panties the girl has on before looking and you knew who was gonna narrate the game on the radio while you're looking). the chick was only famous for once on tv -- because hey, she followed the famlby t
diana_coman: I honestly thought he meant whelp!
jfw lmao, was trying to figure out if it was over or under that he wasn't whelmed
mircea_popescu: but then again i suppose that's what an expert polyglot is all about : one who speaks fifty languages in one, by inventing an imaginary "whelm" and perhaps typesetting everything in japanese.
mircea_popescu: at least the original soviets had the werewithal to laugh at it on their own power, didn't need foreign polyglots to "not whelm" by pointing and laughing.
mircea_popescu: the only problem is the very lulzy soviet-style gerontocracy involved. i mean, they've nobody but 90yos left to "leadership" them, and if they need somebody to star in a tv production it's gonna be a dude born in the 50s ?! still, today as in 1970, as in 1980, as in forever, the heroes of socialist labour are the same exact physical items ?
mircea_popescu: fry and laurie was this long running british tv show made to fill the hole left by monty python. it was rabidly socialist to an utterly offensive degree, and made the popularity of both faggots involved (among the uk bernie sandals crowd)
diana_coman: iirc he worked as an ok Wooster, seemed to fit fine.
diana_coman: I am still shocked at the idea that ...uhm, was Laurie...hot? as in ..ever?
jfw: a productive evening then!
mircea_popescu: anyway, at least i found out there's nothing on tv without having to buy one.
mircea_popescu: yes, but this situation was arrived at with a lot of posturing and labeling and such nonsense.
jfw: funny how mircea_popescu probably speaks more languages than half the musl-using population combined...
tecuane: this was less whelming than i expected
tecuane: welp my time is up and i didnt really learn anything i already knew apart from mircea_popescu likes using the synonym feature of microsoft word a bit too much and the dislike of translations is actually just not liking other languages as opposed to "there might be bugs"
mircea_popescu: wtf, they've run out, next big thing on tv is going to be... mr bean.
mircea_popescu: o god, this is the funniest thing i heard all day.
mircea_popescu: there's this retard who became "hot" because he was in some medical drama
jfw: mircea_popescu: not sure what you mean, I don't think clooney's involved
mircea_popescu: jfw, is this the clooney vehicle ?
mircea_popescu: no dood, they're just fucking stupid. i watch 1970s adriano celentano made-for-tv movies recently tho, so it's pretty much the same thing.
jfw: (from the very little I saw.)
jfw: US medical drama with lead who says Mean Things but actually solves problems
tecuane: tv show but you probably dont watch those
mircea_popescu: i'd ask what's house md, but you've such a terrible record answering these.
tecuane: it feels like you watched House MD one too many times and thought "lmao thats a really good personality trait"
mircea_popescu: i keep slavegirls dood, wth are you talking about.
tecuane: is your gf imaginary too or does being cold hard and full of reason make you Max Chadders
mircea_popescu: i don't particularly care if you put a "you're beautiful today" motd in your libc. but i also can't use such a libc, so i'll have to fork it if i want to use it. which is the whole point here.
mircea_popescu: the latter tend to want to take crap out, the former tend to want to put crap in.
mircea_popescu: did you ever do any work in an actually secure environment ? because there's a difference of perspective, you realise, between hipster doofuses trying to impress imaginary girlfriends with their code-inclusiveness, and people who write systems that do not lose other people's money.
tecuane: probably not because i dont spend my time coming up with cool linguistic comebacks in the shower in my downtime from removing other languages from my libc tbh
mircea_popescu: you'll look up "foutez" and "camp" and decide what, "fuck me the field" is a french idiom ?
jfw: The OO discussion must make us class-ists too I suppose!
tecuane: this behaviour explains the operating system thing so much
mircea_popescu: tecuane, your notion of what words mean is inadequate. you can't "look up a word" in this sense, because natural languages do not admit strict equivalency.
mircea_popescu: a polyglot is someone who speaks multiple languages. this state doesn't take the "expert" tag.
tecuane: even if they were in a different language
tecuane: imagine if you could use a service to look up a word
mircea_popescu: but, be that as it may, "popularity", especially as perceived by people not instrumented to measure anything, is no kind of basis for reason.
tecuane: as an expert polyglot im sure you are the absolute benchmark for what is and is not "good code"
mircea_popescu: well yeah, that's the sort of sentiment that's necessarily mutual.
tecuane: i see it absolutely plenty in code that isnt mine
tecuane: i feel like that may be the other way around
mircea_popescu: i suspect you might have been somewhat isolated for a few years, but i have no way to answer your "in what universe" q, for lack of an indexing mechanism. in not-yours ?
tecuane: it hasnt even faded from popularity let alone been relegated to the trash
tecuane: mircea_popescu: in what universe has oo been "put in the bin" ever
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, i thought you were just a biorobot.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: you know, I was trying to not shock tecuane with this notion that it being a public chan there are actually *other* people reading and talking and generally participating.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, can tell you some joys of oo-idiocy and the sorta lulz it drives.
tecuane: oo didnt get put in the bin lmao
mircea_popescu: it was a worse fucking idea than "object oriented", and it's high time it got marked as such and put in the dustbin where it belongs.
mircea_popescu: in fact, i would say unicode is the poster child for what broken code even means.
mircea_popescu: at no point in its short, tortured existence has unicode worked fine
tecuane: "not how it works" is a weird descriptor for something that has worked just fine for kinda a long time imo
mircea_popescu: some people wanan make their imaginary race about using square wheels, that's their fucking problem.
mircea_popescu: everyting can seem so, including supporting the japanese nonsense.
tecuane: jfw: it seems like a weird thing to be concerned about 2bh
mircea_popescu: is it a term of art ?
tecuane: you talk like someone on the fence about it
mircea_popescu: aite, so you two carry on in pm, i have no objection.
tecuane: its not fair to bring The Riddler to a conversation
mircea_popescu: that's not exactly what's jhappening lol. the republic's an actual thing, distinct from i.
tecuane: i didnt realise i would also be talking to someone who writes in riddles and screeds, using the royal "the republic" instead of "i"
mircea_popescu: well, he voiced you, so i guess that's what he meant.
tecuane: "come to this channel and pm me and we can discuss it"
jfw: tecuane: I have no problem at all with what languages people represent on their computer, the more the merrier; I very much have a problem with extra code (+ potential bugs) being added to my computer to support it in core system utilities
mircea_popescu: this means private libcs, there's a coupla flavours.
mircea_popescu: tecuane, the republic is currently maintaining static linked os, yes.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-18 15:58:41 ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-04 22:40:07 mircea_popescu: jfw, re the whole musl & locales issue, it might be an idea to signal to them, "look, we use musl, and we don't think this is a good idea". irrespective of whether it does anything, at least that way they can't say they didn't realise "unanimity" is hallucinated etc.
mircea_popescu: tecuane, i suppose you read my pov re the issue you're discussing. there's a log : http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-02-18#1958186
tecuane: beyond yayposting on the mailing lists
mircea_popescu: tecuane, the problem with supporting non-alphabet approaches to an alphabet is that you get the worst of both worlds.
ossabot: Logged on 2018-01-09 18:48:52 phf: mule is probably part of the greater concern within the overal situation which was japanese and unicode
mircea_popescu: ll be personally impacted by not being able to represent the "japanese current era" -- something i'm apparently able to represent right now, without using unicode for it (so perhaps, i'm saying, the problem is in the schmuck in question's own head). that'd be it really, do your best under the constraints as they are."
mircea_popescu: anyway, your statement is i guess something along the lines of "look, good fellows, your theory as to how users matter is not an argument in the direction you wish to construe it, but exactly opposite. the republic specifically does not want there to be unicode support. if you implement it, that means the republic will fork and maintain your thing pre-implementation. if you do not implement it, some schmuck somewhere wi
tecuane: which is weird af when you consider the second line of the first link on your ml post: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/r08ACagY/image.png
tecuane: apart from using "considered harmful" which is unilaterally considered the most dumbass way to get a point across
jfw: hi tecuane, I understand you're here about musl translations
jfw: !!up tecuane
jfw: mircea_popescu: ha, good point. It's their email list
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: to my mind the "no one user matters more than another" means of course "no user matters at all" ; because it follows by necessity.
mircea_popescu: jfw, what chan is this anyways ?
mircea_popescu: how is the "no one user is more important than another" nonsense an argument for their position ? user q wants y, user w wants there not to be y, "no one user is more important than another" =necessarily> no y.
jfw: matters more than another"