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mircea_popescu: so what's
the point, casual usage of
the word sin is
triggering ?
jfw: trinque: hm, I
thought you had implemented selection
there but doesn't appear working.
mircea_popescu: anyways, contrary
to
the purportings and pretences
traditionally
required by their culture, i do kinda suspect ye pantsuit gets pretty well overwhelmed in
this here copacetic copse of #trilema
mircea_popescu: i guess
they'll have
their own cristian
topescu. it's unavoidable.
mircea_popescu: anyways, ff
they had known
they might have found a world of joy... but as
they lived on
the midnight side of
the mountain...
diana_coman: I winced at cristian
topescu recollection as I can still hear
the descriptions of figure skaters' costumes, colours included, argghhh.
mircea_popescu: but i hope
that she's regarding her death with
the requisite superior detachement, feigned as it may be. "well...
that didn't whelm!"
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, but she died BY HERSELF, among 50 dogs, and nobody found her for a week. none of
those
thousands of facebook friends.
mircea_popescu: rade, as part of being independent liberated woman etc -- as a colt she wished something or
the other re "oualelor de paste" which is an impossible construction derived off romanian ou ie egg by someone who doesn't understand how difficult genitives form. so she was celebrated for an april in song and lulz
mircea_popescu: incidentally, cristina
topescu died recently, as in, over xmas (this was
the daughter of just such a wonder,
the ONLY romanian sports commenter, one cristian
topescu. socialist romania had one of everything, you knew what panties
the girl has on before looking and you knew who was gonna narrate
the game on
the radio while you're looking).
the chick was only famous for once on
tv -- because hey, she followed
the famlby
t jfw lmao, was
trying
to figure out if it was over or under
that he wasn't whelmed
mircea_popescu: but
then again i suppose
that's what an expert polyglot is all about : one who speaks fifty languages in one, by inventing an imaginary "whelm" and perhaps
typesetting everything in japanese.
mircea_popescu: at least
the original soviets had
the werewithal
to laugh at it on
their own power, didn't need foreign polyglots
to "not whelm" by pointing and laughing.
mircea_popescu: the only problem is
the very lulzy soviet-style gerontocracy involved. i mean,
they've nobody but 90yos left
to "leadership"
them, and if
they need somebody
to star in a
tv production it's gonna be a dude born in
the 50s ?! still,
today as in 1970, as in 1980, as in forever,
the heroes of socialist labour are
the same exact physical items ?
mircea_popescu: fry and laurie was
this long running british
tv show made
to fill
the hole left by monty python. it was rabidly socialist
to an utterly offensive degree, and made
the popularity of both faggots involved (among
the uk bernie sandals crowd)
diana_coman: iirc he worked as an ok Wooster, seemed
to fit fine.
diana_coman: I am still shocked at
the idea
that ...uhm, was Laurie...hot? as in ..ever?
jfw: a productive evening
then!
mircea_popescu: anyway, at least i found out
there's nothing on
tv without having
to buy one.
mircea_popescu: yes, but
this situation was arrived at with a lot of posturing and labeling and such nonsense.
jfw: funny how mircea_popescu probably speaks more languages
than half
the musl-using population combined...
tecuane: this was less whelming
than i expected
tecuane: welp my
time is up and i didnt really learn anything i already knew apart from mircea_popescu likes using
the synonym feature of microsoft word a bit
too much and
the dislike of
translations is actually just not liking other languages as opposed
to "there might be bugs"
mircea_popescu: wtf,
they've run out, next big
thing on
tv is going
to be... mr bean.
mircea_popescu: there's
this retard who became "hot" because he was in some medical drama
jfw: mircea_popescu: not sure what you mean, I don't
think clooney's involved
mircea_popescu: no dood,
they're just fucking stupid. i watch 1970s adriano celentano made-for-tv movies recently
tho, so it's pretty much
the same
thing.
jfw: (from
the very little I saw.)
jfw: US medical drama with lead who says Mean
Things but actually solves problems
tecuane: tv show but you probably dont watch
those
mircea_popescu: i'd ask what's house md, but you've such a
terrible record answering
these.
tecuane: it feels like you watched House MD one
too many
times and
thought "lmao
thats a really good personality
trait"
tecuane: is your gf imaginary
too or does being cold hard and full of reason make you Max Chadders
mircea_popescu: i don't particularly care if you put a "you're beautiful
today" motd in your libc. but i also can't use such a libc, so i'll have
to fork it if i want
to use it. which is
the whole point here.
mircea_popescu: the latter
tend
to want
to
take crap out,
the former
tend
to want
to put crap in.
mircea_popescu: did you ever do any work in an actually secure environment ? because
there's a difference of perspective, you realise, between hipster doofuses
trying
to impress imaginary girlfriends with
their code-inclusiveness, and people who write systems
that do not lose other people's money.
tecuane: probably not because i dont spend my
time coming up with cool linguistic comebacks in
the shower in my downtime from removing other languages from my libc
tbh
mircea_popescu: you'll look up "foutez" and "camp" and decide what, "fuck me
the field" is a french idiom ?
jfw: The OO discussion must make us class-ists
too I suppose!
tecuane: this behaviour explains
the operating system
thing so much
mircea_popescu: tecuane, your notion of what words mean is inadequate. you can't "look up a word" in
this sense, because natural languages do not admit strict equivalency.
mircea_popescu: a polyglot is someone who speaks multiple languages.
this state doesn't
take
the "expert"
tag.
tecuane: even if
they were in a different language
tecuane: imagine if you could use a service
to look up a word
mircea_popescu: but, be
that as it may, "popularity", especially as perceived by people not instrumented
to measure anything, is no kind of basis for reason.
tecuane: as an expert polyglot im sure you are
the absolute benchmark for what is and is not "good code"
mircea_popescu: well yeah,
that's
the sort of sentiment
that's necessarily mutual.
tecuane: i see it absolutely plenty in code
that isnt mine
tecuane: i feel like
that may be
the other way around
mircea_popescu: i suspect you might have been somewhat isolated for a few years, but i have no way
to answer your "in what universe" q, for lack of an indexing mechanism. in not-yours ?
tecuane: it hasnt even faded from popularity let alone been relegated
to
the
trash
tecuane: mircea_popescu: in what universe has oo been "put in
the bin" ever
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: you know, I was
trying
to not shock
tecuane with
this notion
that it being a public chan
there are actually *other* people reading and
talking and generally participating.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, can
tell you some joys of oo-idiocy and
the sorta lulz it drives.
tecuane: oo didnt get put in
the bin lmao
mircea_popescu: it was a worse fucking idea
than "object oriented", and it's high
time it got marked as such and put in
the dustbin where it belongs.
mircea_popescu: in fact, i would say unicode is
the poster child for what broken code even means.
mircea_popescu: at no point in its short,
tortured existence has unicode worked fine
tecuane: "not how it works" is a weird descriptor for something
that has worked just fine for kinda a long
time imo
mircea_popescu: some people wanan make
their imaginary race about using square wheels,
that's
their fucking problem.
mircea_popescu: everyting can seem so, including supporting
the japanese nonsense.
tecuane: jfw: it seems like a weird
thing
to be concerned about 2bh
tecuane: you
talk like someone on
the fence about it
tecuane: its not fair
to bring
The Riddler
to a conversation
mircea_popescu: that's not exactly what's jhappening lol.
the republic's an actual
thing, distinct from i.
tecuane: i didnt realise i would also be
talking
to someone who writes in riddles and screeds, using
the royal "the republic" instead of "i"
tecuane: "come
to
this channel and pm me and we can discuss it"
jfw: tecuane: I have no problem at all with what languages people represent on
their computer,
the more
the merrier; I very much have a problem with extra code (+ potential bugs) being added
to my computer
to support it in core system utilities
mircea_popescu: tecuane,
the republic is currently maintaining static linked os, yes.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-18 15:58:41 ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-04 22:40:07 mircea_popescu: jfw, re
the whole
musl & locales issue, it might be an idea
to signal
to
them, "look, we use musl, and we don't
think
this is a good idea". irrespective of whether it does anything, at least
that way
they can't say
they didn't realise "unanimity" is hallucinated etc.
tecuane: beyond yayposting on
the mailing lists
mircea_popescu: tecuane,
the problem with supporting non-alphabet approaches
to an alphabet is
that you get
the worst of both worlds.
ossabot: Logged on 2018-01-09 18:48:52 phf: mule is probably part of
the greater concern within
the overal situation which was japanese and unicode
mircea_popescu: ll be personally impacted by not being able
to represent
the "japanese current era" -- something i'm apparently able
to represent right now, without using unicode for it (so perhaps, i'm saying,
the problem is in
the schmuck in question's
own head).
that'd be it really, do your best under
the constraints as
they are."
mircea_popescu: anyway, your statement is i guess something along
the lines of "look, good fellows, your
theory as
to how users matter is not an argument in
the direction you wish
to construe it, but exactly opposite.
the republic specifically does not want
there
to be unicode support. if you implement it,
that means
the republic will fork and maintain your
thing pre-implementation. if you do not implement it, some schmuck somewhere wi
tecuane: apart from using "considered harmful" which is unilaterally considered
the most dumbass way
to get a point across
jfw: hi
tecuane, I understand you're here about musl
translations
jfw: mircea_popescu: ha, good point. It's
their email list
diana_coman: mircea_popescu:
to my mind
the "no one user matters more
than another" means of course "no user matters at all" ; because it follows by necessity.
mircea_popescu: how is
the "no one user is more important
than another" nonsense an argument for
their position ? user q wants y, user w wants
there not
to be y, "no one user is more important
than another" =necessarily> no y.
jfw: matters more
than another"