Namworld: Regarding dragonflies... When doing canoe/kayak on a river and being pestered by large black flies. It's fun to watch dragonflies sweep in and catch the flies in flight.
assbot: Dragonfly Slow Motion - YouTube
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17383 @ 0.00075125 = 13.059 BTC [-]
cazalla: damn, leo treasure got ganked for 750btc
assbot: Early Bitcoin Adopter Calls for Multi-Sig Solutions After 750 BTC Theft
cazalla: every time i've seen him on tv it's because he's been scammed
dub: yeah, 750 should be nothing in teh grander scheme of his losses
kakobrekla: former computer science student and bitcoin entrepreneur from Perth, Australia, told CoinDesk he was traveling in Bali and didn’t think connecting to public Wi-Fi could be a security issue as his bitcoins were stored locally.
dub: wait his handle is Treasure?
Vexual: i don't think multisig is the sultion to his error
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18975 @ 0.00075068 = 14.2442 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: <fluffypony> please don't link to Die Antwoord, nubbins` << oh ho why is that?
ben_vulpes: wow what the fuck is wrong with you Vexual
ben_vulpes: is there a lunar eclipse wherever you live and you can get out of the coffin out of schedule?
Vexual: oh i was talking about leo treasures misfortune
Vexual: and how having another key on that fat wallet migth have brought more misfortune
Vexual: "first time in bali?" is always like the first or second question
nubbins`: "Treasure’s remaining coins are in multi-sig wallets and Casascius physical coins. "
nubbins`: thickasthieves was saying something about this the other day
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2014 17:12:58; ThickAsThieves: well, i think of the added force the impose to not sell your coins
dub: Vexual: no shit, always a good idea to carry $.25m on your person where the locals would gut you for a bowl of rice
gribble: leotreasure was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 0 weeks, 6 days, 12 hours, 56 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: <leotreasure> they're in the final process
mircea_popescu: Multi-sig addresses, he wrote are “the only viable solution for securing bitcoins”. <<< pushing this shit incredibly hard are we.
mircea_popescu: "The standard model is to require two out of three keys to spend from a balance – of those keys, one goes to the user, one to the service (exchange or wallet) provider and another to a trusted third party." << how the fuck is this going to help anything for crying out loud
mircea_popescu: cazalla listen, we need someone to make a proper bitcoin news venue.
mircea_popescu: instead of linking to a coindesk piece, just rewrite it so it's no longer FUCKTARDED, publish it and link that.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, i looked elsewhere but it seems he spoke to them about it
mircea_popescu: only reason anyone's speaking to them is because of this false perception of "leadership"
assbot: Coindesk is deleting comments that question the validity of their articles. : Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: it's a shithole of the first degree, and it only continues to exist because everyone's like... meh, whatever, ragazines.
cazalla: is that an endoresment to start one?
mircea_popescu: it wasn't so bad back when the bitpay & co set of scammers that had stolen bitcoin magazine were still hoping that brand's not now dead,
mircea_popescu: im sick of reading fucktarded goop because that's where people link for a story like that because apparently nobody else wrote it.
mircea_popescu: it's like having all fruit glacee'd in shit. how about someone start a greengrocer already, we don't need any of this glacee business.
kakobrekla: mostly only people who already know the real story are interested in it, not your avg reader
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla the average reader'd be interested in where his butthole is, if he could strain his brain enough to learn he even has one.
kakobrekla: i think the question 'who are you writing for' is in place
mircea_popescu: problem is if you let this shit continue indefinitely you'll have an endless stream of idiots with firmly entrenched idiocies.
mircea_popescu: "99% don't give a shit about gavin's latest stupidity, but this is not a signal to stfu and go home"
mircea_popescu: "before than, 99% didn't give a shit about bitcoind 0.7 or .8 or .9, but CORE DEVS!!!"
BingoBoingo wonders where a managing editor might be found. Experience with this seems to be the scarce piece.
mircea_popescu: well done, core devs for a project that massively ignores you.
mircea_popescu: what's needed is someone willing and able to put 16 hour days into this for years.
mircea_popescu: an arrington is what's needed in this space. and by god this is the chance for someone like that to become something like that.
Vexual: i know little enough to edit
dub: what we really need is btc onion
kakobrekla: if you let this shit continue < way too much stuff continues to continue and noone can do shit.
cazalla: i'll have a think about it, i don't want to say yes unless i'll actually commit to it and have a plan of attack
TheNewDeal: where is the btc onion? I would like a link
mircea_popescu: and none of the fucktarded retardation of that guy what's his name, the wanna-be competition for coindesk and co,
mircea_popescu: the guy that was here for five minutes but then concluded he has better things to do
mircea_popescu: with the same stupid head that then generated that entire "taking full responsibility" fiasco.
assbot: Let's Get Meta with Site Ownership via Token - Coin Fire
mircea_popescu: it's been going to shit ever since the guy ran out of his 6 months of time and "had to make revenue"
mircea_popescu: his attempts are so naive and idiotic it pains. definitely sunk the modicum of credibility he had amassed within two weeks.
mircea_popescu: which is what i mean. no movements like that. you run into management problems, come here and ask.
mircea_popescu: and it's unfortunate, too, because all that was easily avoidable.
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kakobrekla: you defo need a few persons for this and compensated for
mircea_popescu: you can just exploit the current idiots. read and rewrite coindesk and co.
cazalla: that would be enough to get it off the ground until it has traction
Vexual: that huffington lady got richer with her news aggregator than she did maring into shipping
mircea_popescu: cazalla exactly. and you'll know you got the traction cause they start bitcoing.
mircea_popescu: and it'll be a fine thing too. hurting stuff like coindesk is worth it just on that basis alone.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo to add salt to the cuts you can do a weekly roundup and mock their unpublishable shit.
cazalla: i would want to run something like that by myself at first and bring people in later, too many chefs and all that
Duffer1: what would be written about that isn't already covered by bit-ass?
BingoBoingo: cazalla: I'd be up for some story authoring, contributing to the cause. The too many chefs problem isn't about having too many people so much as a shitty heirarchy.
mircea_popescu: cazalla BingoBoingo has it i think. just don't try and run "teams" you'll be fine.
BingoBoingo: It's the editors/writers problem that among other shit killed Coinfire.
BingoBoingo: Like the Chefs/Cooks problems that makes most people's restaurant dreams fail
assbot: LibreSSL: More Than 30 Days Later
Vexual: i spent 2 hours of my life wathcing huffingtons interview on abc, it was interesting
decimation: I've looked into the numbers and it is pretty much impossible to verify that total
decimation: but it's also impossible to account for the dollar at all
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Coinfire is this site that was promising for a week and a half then turned full derp
decimation: it's safe to say that usg has a present liability of at least all assets in the entire world, possibly more
mircea_popescu: decimation all that really matters is that the us has underwritten liabilities that exceed its ability to pay.
decimation: yes, the evidence for that statement is quite strong
assbot: Logged on 30-09-2014 02:12:18; mircea_popescu: cazalla see inf danielpbarron feels like it.
mircea_popescu: and there's no court in the world that can absolve it through a bankruptcy. whether they try to run one or not. kinda the fundamental reason it ended.
decimation: its choice is to either renig or go broke, it's that simple
mircea_popescu: it's choice is to start sucking cock or try a totalitarian state play.
Vexual: funnily space missions aren't insured generally
assbot: Brooklyn Existentialism - YouTube
Dimsler: disprove all the theories of idiotic englightenment thinkers
Dimsler: those are provided for you in the actual discussion
Dimsler: if you bother to listen to it
decimation: "Other concerns he and others have raised relate to the lack of whistleblower protections in the new laws, which jail those who "recklessly" disclose intelligence information. That would include journalists, bloggers or officials, who could be jailed for 10 years"
Vexual: yep united states sandbox
cazalla: no more waltzing matilda for me
decimation: I like the "recklessly" in quotes, because they really wanted to say вредительство
decimation: "wrecker", but hearkening back to RSFSR penal codes that allow anyone to be jailed because they were found to be thwarting the great leader's plans
Dimsler: the term means to sabotage a political insititue
cazalla: interestingly, google image search for вредительство shows wrecking balls
mircea_popescu: the term means to pose a threat to the delusions of sovereignity of one less powerful.
decimation: in pratice, anyone who was 'volunteered' to go to the gulag by someone who wanted to 'prove' how powerful they were
decimation: mircea made some good points on this subject but I think the logs were lost
TheNewDeal: dimsler, are marx and freud considered enlightenment thinkers to you?
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7015 @ 0.00074936 = 5.2568 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: decimation im sure i still have them, somewhere. i dun recall this discussion tho.
decimation: you wrote about how those who went to the gulag were volunteers (or volunteered) by people who wanted to be somebodies
assbot: Logged on 07-07-2014 10:46:38; mircea_popescu: well... the gulag wasn't avoidable, not practically.
thickasthieves: <+mircea_popescu> cazalla listen, we need someone to make a proper bitcoin news venue. /// seems like these things never last though, the talent scatters so quickly these days. i'm into the idea though
mircea_popescu: amusingly, gulag references are very sparse in the year before stan showed up
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves which is why drive's what's needed yeah
thickasthieves: just make the b-a blogroll into a magazine ans we can appoint an editor for choosing which stories are big on th ehomepage :)
decimation: as I recall assbot was down when the conversation I recall happened - or I could be wrong
Vexual: sounds like hungarian stew to my ear
thickasthieves: they called it "american chop suey" in my elementary school
TheNewDeal: dimsler, despite the disagreement on who are Enlightment thinkers, this video has been six sigmas above the average quality of youtube content
cazalla: most importantly, do i name the site prefixcoin.com, coinsuffix.com or perhaps even bitsuffix.com
cazalla: blockchaim.com seeing it's all jews
punkman: cazalla: or you could have neither bit or coin, you know something different
decimation: someone should apply for the .coin tld
cazalla: punkman, i was being facetious, from memory trilema recommends domain with first 2 letters unique to other sites one visits
punkman: I grabbed a .company, to be revealed
punkman: I vote for chumpatron.whatever
Vexual: if it doesnt, it shoudn't
assbot: Dissociated press - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Vexual: hes all business this cunt
assbot: Millennial Men's Fashion Retailer Frank And Oak Raises $15 Million - Forbes
punkman: "We love commerce, especially new forms of e-commerce which are mobile first,"
thickasthieves: let's make Ernest Hemingway a metrosexual! great idea, here's $15m!
Vexual: thats like 7/10ths of asicminer
TheNewDeal: nothing must be a better bubble predicter than the success of usian fashion businesses
assbot: Nordstrom Will Pay $350 Million for Trunk Club | Re/code
Vexual: nice first exit; i like the style
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves> just make the b-a blogroll into a magazine ans we can appoint an editor for choosing which stories are big on th ehomepage :) <<< nah the problem is that ba blogs are author driven, and authors can't generally be arsed to discuss events like leotreasure getting stolen from.
mircea_popescu: this is why a newspaper is not just editors. gotta have someone out there on the beat, too
mircea_popescu: <thickasthieves> call it The Biz <<< this is a great idea.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes. people wanna talk about these, and so coindesk ends up linked.
punkman: mircea_popescu: planning for that coin I mentioned
JuliaTourianski: mircea_popescu you know coindesk does not pay their writers in btc? also, they change 90% of their writers' articles without conscent.
punkman: JuliaTourianski: do you know what they pay per article?
JuliaTourianski: mircea_popescu and to answer your question, I'm posting things like this: "If you're gonna off yourself because of the bitcoin 'price crash', do us all a favor and turn off your mining operation first." because i mean it.
cazalla: JuliaTourianski, do you mine?
cazalla: why would you want them to switch off before offing themselves?
cazalla: JuliaTourianski, i have a miner but it's really just for fun
punkman: JuliaTourianski: it's good for you when other's lose their coins
JuliaTourianski: cazalla one of the contributing factors is the hash rate deviating away from the price point, so if they're so upset about price crash, at least stop mining.
gribble: Current Blocks: 323135 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 1440 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 10 hours, 17 minutes, and 8 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 32430956879.6 | Estimated Percent Change: -6.43502
punkman: are we betting against difficulty yet
cazalla: only once and i won that bet, never again
punkman: I'm guessing the big miners can keep the lights on for a while
cazalla: actually that's not right, i've won no a few times
decimation: people are paying to rent above what they can find mining (in btc)
The20YearIRCloud: Well, it seems my wife is in for labor, and not the fake labor
The20YearIRCloud: And interestingly enough, there's multiple contraction timers for android
dub: just stopped to tell the internet
cazalla: just cut it out, over in 15m
cazalla: downside is i had to do everything for like 6 weeks
The20YearIRCloud: Although my brother's wife was into it , and she had to end up being rushed to the hospital
The20YearIRCloud: The recovery for C-Section is much longer, and risk of infection is much higher
The20YearIRCloud: Hospitals certainly are nice, the thing I hate about some of them though is how un-clean their rooms are
The20YearIRCloud: But thankfully the one that's near us has a specific wing for only birthing, nothing else
ben_vulpes: good grief gmail now shows a link to "view pull request in webview"
ben_vulpes: pretty sure this must be old as i don't really gmail too much
ben_vulpes: well, "view pull request" in list view of mails
cazalla: how many kids ya got The20YearIRCloud
cazalla: know what you're having this time?
gribble: Nick 'Vexual', with hostmask 'Vexual!~amnesia@gateway/tor-sasl/vexual', is not identified.
Vexual: 20 year, think you might wanna warm the engine and check the fluids?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13317 @ 0.00075139 = 10.0063 BTC [+] {2}
The20YearIRCloud: I could throw her in a wheelbarrow if I had to i guess and wal kthere
dub: thats what got him into this mess
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11813 @ 0.00075151 = 8.8776 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10352 @ 0.00075272 = 7.7922 BTC [+]
assbot: gordonwritescode/cointract.me GitHub
punkman: color made me think it was python for a sec
Vexual: ne sweat, jusy keep being the boss
assbot: Cointract.me - Do work. Track time. Get coins.
Vexual: you'll be my go to guy
ben_vulpes: punkman: " built in Laravel or another OOP PHP framework"
punkman: oppressed.me is a lulzy domain
assbot: Cointract.me - Do work. Track time. Get coins.
punkman: "user can choose to pay a bit extra to receive a notarized document attesting to the science and accuracy of the upload that should hold up in court without having to hire a Bitcoin expert. "
Vexual: time not important, only results
assbot: Mastodon "The Motherload" (Official Music Video) - YouTube
Vexual: big bada boom in the cab
assbot: If you are going to sell 0 day (which I don't recommend), using a convicted felon as a broker seems unnecessarily risky.
mircea_popescu: <JuliaTourianski> cazalla one of the contributing factors is the hash rate deviating away from the price point, so if they're so upset about price crash, at least stop mining. << this is like the first clever thing i recall you saying
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud> Well, it seems my wife is in for labor, and not the fake labor << mazel tov
mircea_popescu: dub> just stopped to tell the internet << the wot dood. tis important.,
mircea_popescu: <punkman> color made me think it was python for a sec << lol colorcoded codes ?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: re commits, if an individual copied and pasted a block of code, i'm going to have a hard time believing that they actually understand it.
Vexual: i wonder if mircea_popescu knows how fortuitous it is for a dragonfly to collide with a dragons head
mircea_popescu: when people repeat what the priest tells them to say ?
ben_vulpes: copy pasted code in my experience is rarely understood.
ben_vulpes: what is a marriage? what does the priest have to say matter a whit?
ben_vulpes: i don't understand all of the rules i'm bound by under the contract i've entered into with usg and lady v
ben_vulpes: what i do understand are the rules that bind her to me.
ben_vulpes: that's the point i'm making - i copy pasted that code, so to speak, without understanding it.
ben_vulpes: shit's going to get messy w/r/t taxes etc
Vexual: you tell em yuo live in the volcano in balinese, you'll soon know if theyre from java
ben_vulpes: (on another topic, i concede that you're right as always about plagiarised commits: the signature only implies responsibility for the contents)
ben_vulpes: under lawcode, i cannot actually know what i'm bound by.
ben_vulpes: this is derived from your "no groups, only individuals" theories.
Vexual: i know what your grandmother knows instills more frear than i know what you dont know
punkman: ben_vulpes, why marry in lawcode then?
Vexual: its better to say no and smile ho
Vexual: even better, dont bring a macbook with a million bucks and a bitcoin tshirt, the shit will dissapear before the chloroform kicks in
ben_vulpes: punkman: transfer of ownership, so to speak.
punkman: ben_vulpes: bencode don't do that?
ben_vulpes: assuredly does, but what machines run that code?
ben_vulpes: punkman: v machine: of course. k machine: indubitably. f machine? not so much. usg machine? not in my wildest dreams.
punkman: well the two machines that matter run it
dub: Vexual: cialis brother, valium, viaaaaaggar
punkman: ben_vulpes: the more the merrier of course :P
gribble: Error: "gogle" is not a valid command.
Vexual: extacy is called barney coz of the previous
Vexual: an dso is the affect of the colony petey
Vexual: you can check that on eatabilty
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: then buy the t-shirt << cardanomerch is going to be as popular as sumerian urmerch. but hey, nonzero!
Vexual: hell do any dye you liek
gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: everyone got some. derps couldn't even fire them, stuffed pants << "honey, is that a revolucion in your pocket? or..."
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: 'time was flowing at a constant rate of one second per second!'
Vexual: will you eat bacon in australie pete?
Vexual: it's kinda becoming a thing lately
mircea_popescu: punkman> ben_vulpes, why marry in lawcode then? << lawlcode :D
Vexual: somethong missing from taht version is the cadillac bit
Vexual: its like the prche bit, but more american
pete_dushenski: nao it's bacon-flavoured toast, coffee, pizza pops, you name it.
Vexual: youll go better with my itinery
pete_dushenski: plastic dough wrapped around plastic cheese and pseudomeat
Vexual: thats my little brother right there
Vexual: all on js and erything else
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Vexual: ill reiterate my sydney itinery with |more info if u like pete
Vexual: the ferry will cure your ails
Vexual: the boss at doyles will tell you every shit happening noetjh of the river
punkman: I accidentally bought a thing of "yoghurt-like dessert", they were hiding it among the real yoghurt
xanthyos: the microwaveable fleshlight is called the bagel
punkman: not sweetened or anything, why do they call it dessert
mircea_popescu: you can call stuff scraped off the sidewalk "dessert".
assbot: Epic Meal Time - YouTube
punkman: and "frozen dessert" for all packaged ice cream
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: you can call scraped from the pond "escargot" too
pete_dushenski: though i suppose that's a little more tightly regulated
punkman: suggestion: escargot fried in olive oil with rosemary and bacon
punkman: if only I could get some decent bacon
Vexual: theres a place for escargot in wooloomaloo
Vexual: good wine list for luch
pete_dushenski: not entirely my cup of tea but if they can do escargot properly i'm sure it ain't all bad
Vexual: i dont eat snails either
Vexual: dunno where hes from, mental case
Vexual: prolly trolly you if yu o just want wine for lunch
Vexual: i go to syney for work sometimes and i like alcohol frriendly places
Vexual: i saw angelina jolie one time, and she dint ven connect my wifi
gribble: ุ ₍˄.͡˳̫.˄₎ ุ ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew*
mircea_popescu: as i'm sure cazalla will appreciate, trilema main page now only loads randomly english articles.
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mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol in english. there's like 5k or so in romanian
RagnarDanneskjol: Oh, well it would seem worth publishing the first 1k into hardback version. yes definetly should
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RagnarDanneskjol: that many. I have lotta reading to do. the translations are pretty rough
Vexual: all kinda girls devo, dont discount the romainian angle
punkman: mircea_popescu: dump them in mthreat's thing so we can search
punkman: you just get a snippet and link, credits as usual
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> as i'm sure cazalla will appreciate, trilema main page now only loads randomly english articles. << I guess Imma have to get reading practice from footnotes nao...
Vexual: imma take yo to the ballet bb
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you could also use the archive, it's by month/year
BingoBoingo: <Vexual> imma take yo to the ballet bb << You don't need to use code words for strip club here
pete_dushenski: thickasthieves: <+jurov> thickasthieves: my area TAs are saying it will keep getting down to last year's $100-150 // tis possible << she floats like a duck, burn her!
Vexual: i talk too mxch therwe too
Vexual: never felt alspeep yet tho
punkman: !s from:mircea_popescu fuck google
mircea_popescu: !s from:mircea_popescu i love google and want to have its babies
assbot: FireChat Messaging App Gains Users During Hong Kong Protests - Digits - WSJ
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Vexual: this is why kong kong apot petey
pete_dushenski: "The app is very good. The concept is also genius. What I don't care for are ma lot of people who aren't nice, or whose language isn't adequate to use when there are minors online. It's almost as if it needed a moderator in some of the chat rooms. Don't take me wrong p, I like the App a lot and that's why I gave it four stars."
mircea_popescu: and on that note ima be off. laters all! see you @500 tomorro!
Vexual: im still liquidatinbg assets
assbot: /hashtag/sibos2014?src=hash cliff notes: finance movers & shakers love the blockchain & /VitalikButerin; shit on /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash the currency.
Vexual: no shit, you only jave to learn to dump shit once
pete_dushenski: more to the point, assbot can't make heads or tails of twobitidiot
Vexual: are you referring to me and asking for resturant advice?
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pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: "before than, 99% didn't give a shit about bitcoind 0.7 or .8 or .9, but CORE DEVS!!!" << sometimes the unbathed masses find glimmers of light shining through from under the door. most of them are happy to have any light at all, not even noticing that there's a door handle hitting them in the forehead. a few will see the door handle at all. fewer still will give it a twist... and end up here.
dub: sydney? eat at Mr Chows in the rocks then drink at stitch or mojo
dub: dont bother with the baxter
Vexual: seems veryone loves the glittert city
assbot: Australias Options as It Seeks to Douse House Prices - Real Time Economics - WSJ
pete_dushenski: Reserve Bank of Australia Governor Glenn Stevens, a long-term critic of so-called macroprudential policies aimed at dousing house prices, did an about-face last week, indicating for the first time that they may have a place. “It’s a worth a try,” Mr. Stevens said last week. “The worst that could happen is that it doesn’t have any effect.”
pete_dushenski: ^ because adverse effects are impossibru when you also control the stats dept
Vexual: dont let nobody tax youy
cazalla: property is so fucked here
cazalla: cost is too high so every cunt is subdividing and building even more sardine cans
Vexual: try commerical if they dont like the lightwitch you gotta change it
Vexual: enhancing criminal intent
cazalla: having steak and salad, gonna put some meat through the mincer so little one can have his first try of red meat
Vexual: its fail but delicious
cazalla: he can't, almost 9 months and no teeth yet
cazalla: nah, i want to get some red meat into him
cazalla: no, none yet, seems like he has been teething for months but nothing has come through yet
cazalla: not so bad, missus complains he bites the titty, having teeth would make it worse
cazalla: put it through mincer, can give him small spoonfuls at a time
Vexual: dont blame me if it somees out a furry
cazalla: see coinjar.com will be charging 10% gst on bitcoin from 3rd next month
assbot: How the New ATO Guidance Affects CoinJar Users | CoinJar Blog
Vexual: i sold some coin thru coinjar, they took twice what i staked
Vexual: took em a week to solve it, never again
assbot: Buju Banton - Untold Stories - YouTube
cazalla: you 2 and your nignog tunes
Vexual: itll get worse before it gets better
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assbot: FOE - A Handsome Stranger Called Death (Com Truise Remix) - YouTube
Vexual: you know cazalla a lot of that huffington interview is a bout guinea pigs and how to dispactch dem
cazalla: guinea pigs euphemism for?
Vexual: eat tehm replace them, the wholew nine kards
Vexual: i understand the concept
cazalla: Vexual, you been drinking all day?
cazalla: do you know your boi bangs Vexual
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MolokoDesk: deedBot is ready for another stress test. if someone wants to /invite deedBot we can give it a go.
Vexual: toothless fans liivin in vans
deedBot: time=1412067497 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412064000 elapsed=3497
deedBot: DEEDBOT_CHAN=#bitcoin-assets ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (no pending deeds.)
MolokoDesk: that only has to be done once. in the future it won't have to be done at all. (make #bitcoin-assets the home channel)
deedBot: deedBot BTC available balance: 0.00297000 in wallet 1NTSD9jVvumurTotaW7Crqe5DfRxBrJzqu
assbot: test deeds with TJ bogosity - Pastebin.com
deedBot: deed 72F18AA55B8D4EBE not trusted.
deedBot: deed 35D2E1A0457E6498 RagnarDanneskjol with 1 signature valid in next bundle
deedBot: deed 35D2E1A0457E6498 RagnarDanneskjol with 1 signature valid in next bundle
assbot: test deeds with TJ bogosity - Pastebin.com
MolokoDesk: just missed the hour mark. I see it's announing null bundles.
assbot: deedbot test 9.26.14 - Pastebin.com
deedBot: deed B98228A001ABFFC7 asciilifeform with 1 signature valid in next bundle
deedBot: deed 35D2E1A0457E6498 RagnarDanneskjol with 1 signature valid in next bundle
assbot: deedbot test 9.26.14 - Pastebin.com
assbot: testing - Pastebin.com
deedBot: deed B98228A001ABFFC7 asciilifeform with 1 signature valid in next bundle
deedBot: deed 35D2E1A0457E6498 RagnarDanneskjol with 1 signature valid in next bundle
assbot: testing - Pastebin.com
MolokoDesk: assbot doesn't enjoy the recapitulation of the URL
MolokoDesk: it has unicode in the ---BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE--- header
assbot: test deeds with TJ bogosity - Pastebin.com
MolokoDesk: so it's not a valid signed message block.
MolokoDesk: let me check the trust metric on that.
MolokoDesk: there's one test file that has the unicode issue. I see what you mean though here.
MolokoDesk: gribble's claiming there's no such user for that key
gribble: Error: "gribble" is not a valid command.
assbot: #bitcoin-otc gpg key data
MolokoDesk: wondering if assbot will ignore url's without the
http ... pastebin.com/gQpeau7E
MolokoDesk: ok. I'll re-announce them without the protocol prefix
RagnarDanneskjol: actually - it seems to w/
http half the time.. ses vexual's youtube pastes no, mine yes
MolokoDesk: not all web pages have a description meta tag.
RagnarDanneskjol: s'ppose you could sign the git commits smartly and deed them. would like to see how it reads the hub
MolokoDesk: it's a pgp encrypted message, not a clearsigned document
punkman: was clearsigned a requirement?
MolokoDesk: trying to mess with the file size limit.
deedBot: time=1412069094 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412067601 elapsed=1493
deedBot: DEEDBOT_CHAN=#bitcoin-assets ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (6 deeds 4005 bytes in next bundle)
deedBot: deedBot BTC available balance: 0.00297000 in wallet 1NTSD9jVvumurTotaW7Crqe5DfRxBrJzqu
MolokoDesk: there's kind of a lame way to vandalize this... just keep feeding deed files from the deed registry back into it.
MolokoDesk: I should wait 30 days before disclosing exploits?
assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 NO CONSPIRACY AT ALL 1 36 3 - Pastebin.com
assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 NO CONSPIRACY AT ALL 1 36 3 - Pastebin.com
deedBot: deed 33588BE08B232B13 punkman with 1 signature valid in next bundle
assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 NO CONSPIRACY AT ALL 1 36 3 - Pastebin.com
Vexual: all the ladies in washington are scrabl,ing to get outta town
Vexual: better roll your aeroplane down
punkman: does it detect duplicates?
MolokoDesk: that could be an issue if the contracts have no unique identifier in the text.
MolokoDesk: "see? you sold me 500 shares instead of one"
RagnarDanneskjol: whats with those conspiracy numbers punkman, any clues - i am bad at these
deedBot: 1 + 36 + 34 + 33 + 2 + 3 = 109
deedBot: 9 + 14 + 25 + 24 + 11 + 29 = 112
MolokoDesk: rows and columns add up to ascii characters?
MolokoDesk: or a random set of numbers masquerading as an enigma.
deedBot: deed 33588BE08B232B13 punkman with 1 signature valid in next bundle
deedBot: Total[arithmetic progression | 1 to 36 | step size | 1] = 666
MolokoDesk: those calculator things are the only two non-deed functions in the bot.
Vexual: ;;calc ultimate sperpant
gribble: Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (<string>, line 1)
gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
deedBot: Number of the beast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
MolokoDesk: .calc speed of light in rods per fortnight
deedBot: the speed of light = 7.21047 × 10^13 rods per fortnight
Vexual: am i talking to a realbot?
MolokoDesk: the module is external, it's Tao_Jones
deedBot: time=1412070227 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412067601 elapsed=2626
deedBot: DEEDBOT_CHAN=#bitcoin-assets ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (9 deeds 4005 bytes in next bundle)
Vexual: okay, if those two sommets connected by ice det too clode to su which way they spin?
MolokoDesk: is this some quantum Shakespeare thing?
Vexual: no its an astro science thing
MolokoDesk: oh the dumbell-shaped comet pair with the ice isthmus. Yeah, they could blow apart from vapor pressure or tidal forces.
MolokoDesk: they're co-orbital though and would probably collide again.
MolokoDesk: two sonnets connected by in circuit emulator determinants to the algebraic group su, what't their quantum spin?
MolokoDesk: collisions like that are generally how planets form.
Vexual: one goes one way, and one goes a ltiile diff
MolokoDesk: you could set up a betting pool on this.
MolokoDesk: they're gravitationally bound to each other though. the solar wind and vapor pressure would have to exceed their mutual escape velocity.
MolokoDesk: there's at least one known asteroid with a moon.
MolokoDesk: yeah the gravity would be fairly low. But I think gravity between ball bearings on a lab desk has been measured.
Vexual: what commet ar eyou commenting?
deedBot: 243 Ida | mass = 4.12×10^16 kg (kilograms) = ~~ ( 0.008 ~~ 1/125 ) × Earth's atmosphere mass ( 5.1441×10^18 kg )
deedBot: (no apparent answer for: mass of dactyl)
assbot: deedBot/test deed at master RagnarDanneskjold/deedBot GitHub
assbot: deedBot/test deed at master RagnarDanneskjold/deedBot GitHub
MolokoDesk: I wonder if it's not url-decoding that.
deedBot: time=1412070908 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412067601 elapsed=3307
deedBot: DEEDBOT_CHAN=#bitcoin-assets ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (9 deeds 4005 bytes in next bundle)
MolokoDesk: 5 minutes to bitcoin spend of bundle to blockchain.
deedBot: deed B98228A001ABFFC7 asciilifeform with 1 signature valid in next bundle
deedBot: deed 35D2E1A0457E6498 RagnarDanneskjol with 1 signature valid in next bundle
MolokoDesk: $url=urlencode(urldecode($px[4])); this fixes that.. it was urlencoding it without decoding it first.
Vexual: let me tell you a little bedtime story
MolokoDesk: I have to write specials for each non-raw conversion at a dropsite.
deedBot: time=1412071265 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412071216 elapsed=49
deedBot: DEEDBOT_CHAN=#bitcoin-assets ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (no pending deeds.)
MolokoDesk: period instead of comma in a regular expression.
MolokoDesk: tracking will pick up where it left off.
MolokoDesk: pending bundles survive and are retained.
deedBot: time=1412071472 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412071200 elapsed=272
deedBot: DEEDBOT_CHAN=#cex-squawk ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (no pending deeds.)
deedBot: (switching DEEDBOT_CHAN from #cex-squawk to #bitcoin-assets)
Vexual: do you need a databse?
deedBot: BUNDLE_SPENDING_INTERVAL = 900 seconds.
Vexual: well i could recommend a format
MolokoDesk: nah, it puts files into a directory and deals with them as needed.
Vexual: did i say you could such your penis yet?\
MolokoDesk: i used sqlite3 the other day to pillage the bitcoin-otc web of trust database files and hammer them into a brief form used by the bot. just the trust metrics indexed by KeyID for people that can use assbot.
MolokoDesk: or we could see what it does when there are no deeds.
MolokoDesk: re-using that raw item with the %20 in it would test something.
punkman: did my UTF8 message survive?
deedBot: time=1412071894 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412071200 elapsed=694
deedBot: DEEDBOT_CHAN=#cex-squawk ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (no pending deeds.)
deedBot: (switching DEEDBOT_CHAN from #cex-squawk to #bitcoin-assets)
deedBot: BUNDLE_SPENDING_INTERVAL = 1800 seconds.
deedBot: BUNDLE_SPENDING_INTERVAL = 1200 seconds.
deedBot: deed B98228A001ABFFC7 asciilifeform with 1 signature valid in next bundle
deedBot: deed 35D2E1A0457E6498 RagnarDanneskjol with 1 signature valid in next bundle
MolokoDesk: gribble still updates the trust database though.
deedBot: time=1412072123 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412071200 elapsed=923
deedBot: DEEDBOT_CHAN=#bitcoin-assets ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=1200 (2 deeds 1201 bytes in next bundle)
deedBot: Bundled: 0ce703c75d190e72652c15649a71a97c4e676c1022eb66367b73b2546040ea09-14ZCTfozD6UhTSyz5hMiBKo5RE6Gqu34i6.txt
deedBot: time=1412072554 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412072409 elapsed=145
deedBot: DEEDBOT_CHAN=#bitcoin-assets ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=1200 (no pending deeds.)
deedBot: BUNDLE_SPENDING_INTERVAL = 3600 seconds.
assbot: When all cigarette packs look the same, fewer people buy them - The Washington Post
punkman: Vexual, no branding on your cigarettes?
punkman: Ragnar, look for my UTF message, that's why it should accept compressed messages
punkman: (gpg --sign --armor that is)
punkman: it's signed and compressed when you don't --clearsign
RagnarDanneskjol: right, but remember mp describing this at one point. trying to find it
assbot: $ gpg -v -v gpg: Go ahead and type your message ... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESS - Pastebin.com
Vexual: i smoke white owl and old port after noon
assbot: Scientists make droplets move on their own
Vexual: science in chech is like what heroin emema?
chetty: Just the title of that article is enough for a chuckle, imo
Vexual: ya they love a droplet in prague
MolokoDesk: (ok. I have deedBot installed to re-start on server reboots or deedBot terminations, it's home channel is set to #bitcoin-assets)
assbot: Manufactured insecurity and the issue of control pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: had he not made me read that thing, i wouldn't have the tool ready for like the best reference this week.
MolokoDesk: (you won't see deedBot in other chan without an invite or join directive)
MolokoDesk: deedBot is resonably terse and bulletproof now.
MolokoDesk: switched to using the 15 minute updated gribble database files.
MolokoDesk: it's tracking transaction IDs now. doesn't terminate.
mircea_popescu: nanotube is your preferred avenue for people needing to frequently query the db to check relation that they ask gribble each time or that they download the backups every 15 minutes ?
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk what do you save this way, like 1 query out of 3 ?
MolokoDesk: gribble is completely out of the loop. the logic is linear no queues or state machines needed. Nothing stops if something else doesn't complete.
MolokoDesk: splitting incoming files, verifying signatures, bundling are a single pass operation.
MolokoDesk: it's just a lot easier and more predictable.
MolokoDesk: side effect is that a json digest of the assbot trust web is available.
MolokoDesk: assuming anyone would use something compiled by a 3rd party.
mircea_popescu: well it adds to central security if there's some catastrophe.
mircea_popescu: well ok. if it's too much we'll fiddle with it or something. it is better code.
Azelphur: speaking of assbot trust levels, what does it take to get into assbots l1 trust?
assbot: The Bitcoin Lordship list, first revision pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: generally, people hafta be impressed with how worthy of being ennobled you are.
MolokoDesk: probably #bitcoin-assets watching it work long enough for you to take delivery of it.
MolokoDesk: also it's not registered with gribble/WoT
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk okay, what's your gameplan here, do you want to also run this as a going concern ?
MolokoDesk: the logic for handing an ;;eauth challenge is already in. when it logs on and identifies to freenode it issues an ;;eauth deedBot to gribble and picks up any challenge response, decrypts the item and does the ;;everify
punkman: hashing spec would be nice
MolokoDesk: so I guess gribble is still in the loop, but not as part of the bundling process.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk well sure. gribble can't be permaout of the loop :p
MolokoDesk: the hashing spec is just SHA256 of the file converted to a bitcoin address.
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: I'm sure I'm worth ;)
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol you're paying for that. it's a worthy cause :)
Vexual: whats it do? can i sell a shopping centre without getting sober?
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: fair enough, yea I'm not too active here
MolokoDesk: now that the architecture and methods and algorithms are worked out it should be faster to complete.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk question was whether you want ot be the one running this or not.
MolokoDesk: it'd be ok with being the on-going bot op here. we'd have to work something out.
MolokoDesk: well, what's the attention span of a bot op adquate to service the trading/contract flow here?
MolokoDesk: I noticed that some people responded immediately by hand to stuff I sent to their bots.
RagnarDanneskjol: whats your expectation for response time mp? on any bot maintenance
mircea_popescu: from experience you get pinged within 5 minutes of it dieing
Vexual: cant even sell a playstation
mircea_popescu: well something reasonable, nothing set. if you're in the hospital and take half a week nobody's gonna sue.
MolokoDesk: if something breaks, it's mission-critcal and I stop what I'm doing and fix it now.
MolokoDesk: there'd be some way to send a message to my phone or desk.
MolokoDesk: yeah, no rush on decisions about that.
MolokoDesk: ok. well that time frame is casual. it would be fixed at my earliest convenience same-day.
mircea_popescu: it's not mission critical, it's in the "can wait a day can't wait a week" pile.
MolokoDesk: it's likely that deedBot degrade gracefully. if any process in the chain stops things still get set up for the next bundle.
mircea_popescu: honestly i don't expect anything to break, since php is so stable and everything.
MolokoDesk: yeah, the program flow is sufficiently linear that it's not going to halt if something 500 server errors out at the API level.
MolokoDesk: running out of BTC would make it stop registering to the blockchain and the result might be one big giant deed bundle whenever that was remedied.
assbot: Truthcoin: Trustless, Decentralized Bitcoin Prediction Marketplace | Hacker News
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the yc bitbet thread ? where is it ? "o, let's ignore and pretend that means we can stay relevant"
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk ima sent it a btc right now, actually. what was its wallet ?
MolokoDesk: I've always been intrigued by prediction marketplaces. The theory is that markets efficiently integrate all available information, so the price reflects some sort of best-estimate of the probability of the predicted events.
MolokoDesk: so far nobody has the passphrase or keys or passwords but me.
MolokoDesk: just change the API key and "secret" to spend.
MolokoDesk: yeah, we decided the wallet is disposable, all of the security is in the signatures and blockchain.
MolokoDesk: it doesn't matter how the BTC is spent.
MolokoDesk: the spend address/hash is also a locus of security.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk well so then i'd better only send .1 or something ?
gribble: You have not yet rated user MolokoDesk
MolokoDesk: it's secure enough that nobody would spend time trying to hack it for $20
mircea_popescu: which brings us to the nextr q : would you like to develop a payments extension for this ?
MolokoDesk: however. if you had access to the source code, which is stored outside of webspace, you'd have enough info to spend the wallet using the API.
MolokoDesk: the source on the private GITHub has stubs for that info.
gribble: Nick 'MolokoDesk', with hostmask 'MolokoDesk!~moloko@cpe-70-117-68-131.austin.res.rr.com', is not identified.
MolokoDesk: laptop must have gone into sleep mode earlier.
MolokoDesk: other point of security would be the keyring for ;;eauth
mircea_popescu: fluffypony dude look at that jimothy guy still fightin' the good fight, one year and a half later, 2.x k posts in.
assbot: View the profile of jimmothy
MolokoDesk: payments extension: what is that about?
MolokoDesk: if there's serious btc flow through a payment system I'd think we'd want to put this on a dedicated server instead of the virtual machine where it is now.
MolokoDesk: or on a server instance where that's the only thing running there.
assbot: .balance Your balance with me is XXX. [If balance over X btc] This is excessive - Pastebin.com
deedBot: deedBot BTC available balance: 0.00275000 in wallet 1NTSD9jVvumurTotaW7Crqe5DfRxBrJzqu
MolokoDesk: I do so much stuff on this VM ... my dev activities are probably the biggest risk.
MolokoDesk: if I put something up elsewhere on the same server that's just another exposure risk
deedBot: deedBot BTC available balance: 0.00275000 in wallet 1NTSD9jVvumurTotaW7Crqe5DfRxBrJzqu
MolokoDesk: there's a low balance message that's never been activated yet.
gribble: Nick 'MolokoDesk', with hostmask 'MolokoDesk!~moloko@cpe-70-117-68-131.austin.res.rr.com', is identified as user 'MolokoDesk', with GPG key id C58B15FA3E19CE9B, key fingerprint 4D4769A7EF6BB23D399DAA7BC58B15FA3E19CE9B, and bitcoin address None
deedBot: 1 / (0.00011 * 24) = 378.787879
MolokoDesk: 1 btc is good for over a year at full capacity 1 bundle per hour.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate MolokoDesk 2 b-a deedsbot dev. AAA would hire again.
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate MolokoDesk 2 b-a deedsbot dev. AAA would hire again.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user MolokoDesk has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol i dun gas when, he did it before the end of the month.
MolokoDesk: subjective recursion, self-commentary...
MolokoDesk: we're still trying to break deedBot, but I think it passes.
assbot: .balance Your balance with me is XXX. [If balance over X btc] This is excessive - Pastebin.com
deedBot: deedBot BTC available balance: 0.00275000 in wallet 1NTSD9jVvumurTotaW7Crqe5DfRxBrJzqu
MolokoDesk: you're talking abut the unicode dashes in the PGP signed message delimiters?
assbot: .balance Your balance with me is XXX. [If balance over X btc] This is excessive - Pastebin.com
deedBot: deedBot BTC available balance: 0.00275000 in wallet 1NTSD9jVvumurTotaW7Crqe5DfRxBrJzqu
punkman: MolokoDesk: no, unicode in the message
MolokoDesk: ok. uh, where does that happen, just a report from deedBot?
MolokoDesk: bot trigger collision may need some work. laff.
punkman: oh never mind, browser didn't know it was utf
MolokoDesk: yeah, I can do that. it's not clear how i'd store the accounts yet. Probably an SQL database, but if it's storing pooled funds in a single wallet that's kind of an unsound practice.
MolokoDesk: authing people to make payment on the cred of their freenode nick, I guess that works if you trust gribble's data.
mircea_popescu: use a single inbound address, pay out from it as directed.
MolokoDesk: if people are comfortable with the size of their deposits at risk, and the risk level that's doable.
mircea_popescu: you're taking a sizeable bite here, if you manage to run all this for a while and not get hacked you'll have all the cred you could possibly want
MolokoDesk: heh and get hacked... negative cred, maybe.
MolokoDesk: ok. I'll look into this. I'm not a security guy and linux admin is not something I do regularly, just as needed for my own projects.
MolokoDesk: I know you've noticed the criticism A.Andropoulos has been getting.
MolokoDesk: and I think he has a stronger background in security than I do.
MolokoDesk: his customer service dept let a security hole slide unfixed.
MolokoDesk: after being repeatedly informed of it.
mircea_popescu: this is like complaining that the decals didn't fix the engine.
bounce: what, decals don't fix engines? news to me.
MolokoDesk: yeah, he's kind of verbal intervention and keynote speaker. Not sure what his early role in bitcoin is. I think he may have been in the first round bitcoin foundation group.
MolokoDesk: but then Mark Karpeles was in that too.
bounce: it's called "best current practice" and the industry is full of it.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk his early role in bitcoin was being a derp.
MolokoDesk: usually CSO isn't an honorary title. oh well.
MolokoDesk: anyway, I know how startups are. they do anything to make their "forward-looking statements" remain plausible for as long as possible.
MolokoDesk: put people with high profiles on their boards of directors that do nothing but waive attending the annual meeting.
MolokoDesk: why? vocabulary? jadedness? polymath symptoms?
mircea_popescu: because i am trying to determine whether telling you to stfu and learn some unix admining is a good policy or not
MolokoDesk: or are you asking whether I grasp the troll aesthetic?
mircea_popescu: mkay. if you're under 30 stfu and learn some unix admining, it can't hurt you. if over 30 you probably have a point focusing on other things.
bounce: you lack "answer the question" skills, eh. well, not the only one.
bounce can't get recruiters, hr peeps, or even first line support idjits to f'n answer their emails.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk if you're wondering, the entire line was prompted by <MolokoDesk> ok. I'll look into this. I'm not a security guy and linux admin is not something I do regularly
MolokoDesk: it's not so much not knowing, it's having to do it constantly.
MolokoDesk: yeah, I think that was a symptom of long-term interests in other things.
mircea_popescu: well, good code means you won't have to do it constantly, cause good code never breaks :D
MolokoDesk: I'm thinking more of operating system updates, security patches, surveillance.
mircea_popescu: bounce the motherfucking answer! is the reason face to face productivity is better, btw. as expensive travel is, sometimes it's unavoidable, as people will mousy over emails for a year if given the chance
mircea_popescu: and so management has to fly people all over back and forth all day.
MolokoDesk: as 'security' best practices is mostly don't use certain language constructs, or coding practices that allow exploits from web input.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk these days, security mostly relies on not updating to the newest set of bugs.
MolokoDesk: for example I deleted wordpress from this VM. I don't use it and didn't even want it there.
mircea_popescu: get a secure system, bolt it down and forget about it.
bounce: this isn't usually a problem among the, let's call them "usenet crowd". people who're reasonably good at discussing more than one thing per email and are technically minded so don't take it too personally when asked to answer a technical question.
mircea_popescu: don't even get me started on the topic of wordpress lmao. fucktards put a ddos hole in their xmlrpc
mircea_popescu: you can use any wp installation to basically probe for free or whatever else.
MolokoDesk: well, I can write the payments extension but deciding where to run it may be a different issue.
bounce: heroku and google apps both, "for the resiliency"
bounce: well, how can it be if I get called to explain the joke?
bounce: so much for "leveraging the synergy"
gribble: Current Blocks: 323195 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 1380 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 7 hours, 9 minutes, and 51 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 33160433493.3 | Estimated Percent Change: -4.33044
mircea_popescu: it HAD to ruin the 31bn bet, and then die right after ?
MolokoDesk: just realized that Tao_Jones has a "joke" payment system in it called luzcoin it's not a real coin, it just keeps accounts for people in one IRC channel elsewhere and they mess about with it rhetorically. it has a mining back end that increments the accounts in a sporadic lottery.
deedBot: time=1412080043 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412079612 elapsed=431
deedBot: DEEDBOT_CHAN=#cex-squawk ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (no pending deeds.)
deedBot: (switching DEEDBOT_CHAN from #cex-squawk to #bitcoin-assets)
deedBot: deed B98228A001ABFFC7 asciilifeform with 1 signature valid in next bundle
deedBot: deed 35D2E1A0457E6498 RagnarDanneskjol with 1 signature valid in next bundle
jurov: RagnarDanneskjol: assbot has vexual in ignore
deedBot: time=1412081247 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412079612 elapsed=1635
deedBot: DEEDBOT_CHAN=#cex-squawk ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (2 deeds 1201 bytes in next bundle)
deedBot: (switching DEEDBOT_CHAN from #cex-squawk to #bitcoin-assets)
MolokoDesk: ok, for the payment system, it would create accounts based on wallet of origin of incoming payments. those would be the same wallets registered in web of trust/gribble, I presume.
MolokoDesk: random payments from unregistered wallets would sit in an account with no owner until someone registered them, but that's not a sound practice.
MolokoDesk: they'd be sent back to the originator or just forfeited.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk nah, create accounts based on person's wot id.
MolokoDesk: ok. so they don't need to register a wallet ID with WoT?
MolokoDesk: how do you know who pays into an account?
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> kakobrekla aren't you glad you closed pritni. < is not that simple.
mircea_popescu: Send X Bitcoin to Y address. [Use last 4 decimals encoding to identify owner] <
MolokoDesk: right. how does one put money into the account in one's nick.
MolokoDesk: so all you really now is that some wallet somewhere sent you btc.
mircea_popescu: ~~~ [Use last 4 decimals encoding to identify owner]~~~
MolokoDesk: so they just say "that wallet was mine"?
mircea_popescu: Hi MP. Please send to 1blabla make sure last 4 digits are 1944
MolokoDesk: they send you a microchange digit set and you confirm on that.
mircea_popescu: no need for any of that. you just use a hash of their userid to generate a 4 digit pin, and credit to their acct all deposits to your address that have that pin for last 4 digits.
MolokoDesk: I guess one presumes nobody wants to give people money at random.
gribble: mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 days, 15 hours, and 10 seconds ago: <mike_c> (j/k)
mircea_popescu: one doesn't presume anything. this is how the system works.
MolokoDesk: "oh gosh, that guy revealed the check digits of his paymet.. I'm going to make a payment to the same person for no reason with THE SAME LAST DIGITS!" = not likely to be motivated by anything.
mircea_popescu: and you only have one address in your wallet, and pay from it whenever someone asks and that's that.
mircea_popescu: hardened systems means among other things breaking the convenient assumptions of the enemy.
MolokoDesk: ok. with two audit trails that should be bulletproof, if it's all done in this channel the published channel logs are a matter of record. the payment extension also keeps an audit trail and a database.
MolokoDesk: uh, what chance of two people randomly choosing the same 4-digit deposit suffix?
MolokoDesk: I was still back on 'depositer declares digits' not "bot declares digits"
MolokoDesk: 10k transactions. oh. each user has a unique 4-digits always the same. their "account number" sure.
mircea_popescu: and if it becomes a problem we move to 6 or w/e. not that any irc chan ever had 10k members online.
MolokoDesk: I haven't slept recently if I'm seeming dense.
MolokoDesk: what's the likely volume of the pooled wallet for what... 50 people?
bounce: you start having problems well before 10000, that with hash collissions and everything
mircea_popescu: easy enough for anyone to test it, send 10k satoshi see if you get it.
mircea_popescu: bounce actually hashing isn't even the right approach, should serialize.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk maybe instead of hashing,keep a serial of when people go .deposit and use that,
bounce: then you have an arbitrary cookie and might as well use separate payment addresses
mircea_popescu: bounce notrly. you use a single address chiefly because that way mitm is pointless.
nanotube: mircea_popescu: re db queries - depends on frequency of gribble queries. if you'd be querying gribble more than once per 15 min, get the db.
bounce: now I wonder, if you provide an oracle that combines a programmatically generated key from (secret) seed and (public) user number, would that be enough to recover the secret?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12658 @ 0.00075221 = 9.5215 BTC [-]
bounce: s/key/payment address/
bounce: s/combines/spits out/ (from the combination, etc.)
punkman: btw unnamed source says coindesk pays around $90 per article
bounce: sounds like easy money.
mircea_popescu: $90 buys you an hour's work of a professional. their articles are 15 minute jobs by 3rd worlders. 9 bux is a gross exaggeration.
mircea_popescu: (easy to arb, too, go on fiverr, have 20 people write articles, get 2 accepted by coindeks, profit)
bounce: ebay to spin out paypal again. huh.
mircea_popescu: bounce omidyar has figured out paypal / website payments are dead in the water, selling it while he's ahead of the curve.
bounce: only after icahn badgered them to do it for months
bounce: of course not. even so.
RagnarDanneskjol: uhh, thought some person needs to secure keypair for anygiven bot - like I assume kako has assbot's
mircea_popescu: giving it a gpg sig is a handwave anyway, whoever controls it can make it sign anything anyway. not like it's a creature in itself.
bounce: for freenode, whoever has access to the backend and can fix it if it goes amok
mircea_popescu: and yes, freenode policy is to cloak bots by maintainer.
teward: mircea_popescu: unless #bitcoin-assets is its own Group Registration, it falls in the #bitcoin* namespace
teward: mircea_popescu: first GRFs are closed
teward: mircea_popescu: secondly you run into namespace issues
teward: (#bitcoin-* is typically considered #bitcoin, like #anything-* is #anything)
teward: mircea_popescu: GRFs been closed a while, but point still stands, namespace issues
mircea_popescu: you don't have to name the group = the channel do you.
mircea_popescu: "freenode group registration is currently suspended, as the group registration process became significantly backlogged to the point that it was not viable to continue taking new registrations. This is an unfortunate side-effect of the combination of the following"
mircea_popescu: fucktards. they fail to list "we suck to the degree we will die of self imposed attrition. we don't even talk to people wh owant to give us free servers anymore"
bounce: needs a bit of a crew, some buy-in from a few groups, and so on, to get the thing started
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kakobrekla: you want some b-a.com a record for the deed thing
jurov: <Vexual> ya they love a droplet in prague << no they're just world experts on alcohol
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla and does that come with some server space ? :)
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk aite once you wake up, kako's going to set you up with a deeds.bitcoin-assets.com zone and a server login.
mats_cd03: ;;later tell BingoBoingo if you want to read something on HeinOnline, LexisNexis, Westlaw let me know
RagnarDanneskjol: mircea_popescu - I seriously doubt he'll see that. will send him an email
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell MolokoDesk aite once you wake up, kako's going to set you up with a deeds.bitcoin-assets.com zone and a server login. an wipe the test bundles when you do it too.
mats_cd03: well... if you're in assbot's L2 i guess i could do that.
mircea_popescu: how the hell else will he know the bot's tits up anyway
punkman: turns out deedbot burns the coins
punkman: mircea_popescu: private key can't be recreated
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk: I should block that. << i wouldn't worry about vandals at the application level. if they do it they may get devoiced which is enough deterrent.
punkman: mircea_popescu: because it goes from file hash to pub address
punkman: it picks a random bitcoin address instead of generating the private key for one
punkman: (by random I mean based on the bundle hash)
RagnarDanneskjol: we discussed this at one point and determined this was the best approach - as alternative to millibtc to be recovered from a multitude of pregenerated addresses
mircea_popescu: anyway, the state in my head is that th bundle gets hashed into a pubkey which is where dust is sent.
bounce: of course, assets.com is squatted. wonder what they'll ask for it.
MolokoDesk: (we've never really discussed the intent of compensation for work here. It matters to me because I have to make a living, so I have to be able to bill at US-livable rates. I'm not sure how people work in #bitcoin-assets... it may be that everyone is developing "for free" because they are stakeholders in keeping the exchange going so they can use it, or the utility value of contributiing is worth it, or they're used to doing
mats_cd03: fun fact: the Bluetooth Low Energy spec has three key exchange mechanisms. 2/3 "do not provide any passive eavesdropping protection" (as per spec).
bounce: depends on where you are. in the big blue room, the sky is the limit.
mats_cd03: so, since out of band key exchange is difficult, most BLE devices can be construed as selectively backdoored.
MolokoDesk: (oops. missed mp, who is the person I should talk with this about)
dub: aside from possibly a handfull paid to run mp's questionable meta-investment-vehicles I think -assets labour is expected to be free (as in beer)
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk people in bitcoin are as a rule filthy rich, which means they do whatever the fuck they feel like doing, which is why coming up with things that are actually worth doing is so important and getting people to adhere to trhe highest standards so easy.
dub reserve the right to be entirely wrong
mircea_popescu: as far as your own case is concerned however, iirc you wanted some bitcents to cover for september, which you got, which is where we're now.
assbot: Logged on 30-09-2014 11:35:08; mircea_popescu: talk to me.
mircea_popescu: people are getting paid to flash their tits, what're you talkin' aboot.
dub: i was thinking mpif ops, but yeah, sticking shit up your ass is another earner
assbot: Logged on 30-08-2014 01:57:51; mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk block-and-address.
mircea_popescu: dub don't forget all the trolls i pay to bother random anons that forgot to take their pills on random forums nobody reads.
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol what's that to do tho ? i mean, this is merely how to index things on the site.
mircea_popescu: and he changed from the block thing to the tx thing which is fine.
RagnarDanneskjol: I'm just addressing punkman's issue regarding coins spent to random addresses
bounce: on that note, how's the bitcoin f0ne going?
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol but how do you figure this does that ?!
MolokoDesk: ok. I'm not sure the entire content of my conversations during 'recruiting' were relayed. I usually take and advance or progress payment on staring a project, and the rest of the comp on delivery to satisfaction of the person who wanted the work. There's no way I could have done this for the initial payment.
MolokoDesk: However, I'm aware we never discussed final comp. so.
bounce: cards in the mail to all the rich and powerful. "call our bitcoin f0ne!"
MolokoDesk: I'd usually bill low 4 figures for something like this USD.
bounce: for the blogposts. what else?
MolokoDesk: you'll get this regardless. I'm just saying this isn't what I had in mind.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk well that's why it's very important to be loud and clear about what you have in mind.
dub: mircea_popescu: I thought they were teh same person
bounce: anyway, just wondering really
dub: or, idk im out of the loop
mircea_popescu: why the hell does everyone think everyone's the same person as everyone else.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19850 @ 0.00075258 = 14.9387 BTC [+] {4}
bounce: a secret wish for a simpler world
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk don't be shy about it, we're all assholes anyway.
dub: its teh internet and 'they' are female, there can't be more than one
MolokoDesk: ok, guess, we should talk about what adding a payment option to this and maintaining the bot long term are worth in terms of comp.
mircea_popescu: heck, there's not so many ugly women in btc. which makes one think... what if there's more to hotness than usually thought ?
MolokoDesk: can I make the btc equivalent purchasing power of USD $1200 per month doing this?
MolokoDesk: writing software and maintaining it on a priority level.
mircea_popescu: derping around with bitcoin can in principle be very lucrative, but in practice it depends what you do.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk retainers are useful where work is abundant and workers scarce. this is not the case in coding,
mircea_popescu: which is why things like linux can exist in the first placew.
MolokoDesk: linux has a lot of ancillary work it creates by people versed in the field and who know it's internals or can modify it. So the people working on it are contributing to it because besides being generallly useful and having the political influence it does, they make a lot of money on it.
mircea_popescu: <MolokoDesk> or for whom you do it. << well, yes, plenty of idiots manage to cosy up with the clueless and live decently in the process. not rly my cup of tea, but th world's full of tims and andreases.
MolokoDesk: there's kind of an odd hybrid type of open source made by companies like Rackspace. they give the stuff away for free because it generates enormous amounts of work for them.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk among other things bitcoin is not very friendly to the fiat world model of work for hire. it very heavily favours the linux style of doing things.
MolokoDesk: well, increasing the number of stakeholders would make sense.
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MolokoDesk: if the only people who care about developing bitcoin are stakeholders, then having more stakeholders means more development and more likelihood that bitcoin in particular and decentralized cryptocurrencies in general will be around in the desired form in the long run.
MolokoDesk: right now bitcoin has a spendability problem, along with the disincentive to spend created by the expectation of deflation.
mircea_popescu: bounce wait wtf, german telecom wants to charge users for being spied ?!
MolokoDesk: there's also the volatility issue, but that may smooth out under certain conditions.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk the thing is, bitcoin isn't trying to make friends.
mircea_popescu: it's offering a narrow window for people to be friendly, is all.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk in the sense the sun is "trying to survive".
MolokoDesk: well. cryptography is a mathematical fact.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21479 @ 0.00075304 = 16.1745 BTC [+] {2}
MolokoDesk: he epiphenomena that grow out of that may not be.
kakobrekla: sun is "trying to survive". < remember the matrix clouds
kakobrekla: sun is just fine, earth on the other hand, fucked.
dub: thats actually not far from reality
MolokoDesk: there's a notion called non-entailment. it describes the non-predictability of evolving systems that lose backward-linked information as they evolve and for which there are a large number of adjacent states for which the fitness landscape is unknown or unknowable.
mircea_popescu: anyway, this philosophical arcana aside, i can see that people got bills to pay and so on, so. no argument from me.,
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk that's not an adequate model for things such as gravity.
MolokoDesk: ok. what happens if someone spends 12 million BTC to a non-stakeholder, someone who wants to use it as general purchasing power.
mircea_popescu: it's not like the future of the theory of gravity is uncertain. it's quite certain.
mircea_popescu: the future of any group of people is not certain, but nor does it matter so much,.
dub: one of the proposed climate hacks is block out the sun with sulfur
MolokoDesk: well, general relativity isn't an adquate model for nonlinear systems.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk as to your what happens : he becomes a stakeholder. there's a nice little fable re the nsa stash in the logs relating to this.
MolokoDesk: something we may agree on is that equlibrium models in macroeconomics aren't particularly descriptive, things like keynsian macroeconomics.
assbot: Logged on 02-02-2014 18:18:59; mircea_popescu: today at nsa headquarters, "sir, i would like to apply for permission to spend 10bn usd dollars in btc equivalent by dumpting our stash"
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk only thing i can agree about re keynesianism is that it's retarded
mircea_popescu: i'd rather discuss actually self-aware religions than bizarre cults that claim they're not.
MolokoDesk: ok. we're in the same book there if not the same page.
MolokoDesk: economics as a persuasive force is intriguing. the way the statistical distribution of ideology follows various market forces.
mircea_popescu: but as a great man once said, "it is forbidden to teach nonsense. but the study of nonsense, that's scholarship"
chetty: <dub> one of the proposed climate hacks is block out the sun with sulfur// I think Iceland is taking care of that
mircea_popescu: chetty fortunately for all of us, the sulphur lobby ain't got money,
mircea_popescu: i miss the old days when us people were still living in africa where they belong and they fought "climate change" by digging holes in their labia.
mircea_popescu: the current masquerade is not unlike that famous monkey
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MolokoDesk: I suspect they're trying to apply a watershed management model to the atmosphere.
bounce: internet-of-things mirror
thestringpuller: who other than a nice person would sacrifice their sanity to try an educate lemmings for a paycheck?
mircea_popescu: bounce "idiots seldom differ" is apparently a natural law, not merely a clever theorem.
mircea_popescu: or otherwise, an underpaid public worker. like you know, a schoolteacher.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk you know thinking about it... you're very likely exactly correct.
mircea_popescu: first explanation i ever heard that fits the observable data and doesn't require active malice.
mircea_popescu: which, contrary to what people think, is extremely expensive and thus quite a rare thing.
bounce: one might surmise that greatness of mind is orthogonal to what minds think about
bounce: wtf is this watershed management model thing?
mircea_popescu: and ftr, watershed management is, if somewhat staid, perfectly valid agriculture
mircea_popescu: which is a sort of engineering, for people thatdidn't get into metals scohol.
mircea_popescu: sure, but it's easier to teach someone math than to teach someone to be effectually malicious
bounce: disagree. for malice you need a certain amount of cunning. if you have that, it's easy. if not, it's hard.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're basically looking at the cables. the cables aren't a machine, the transistors are th machine.
bounce: cunning and disregard for consequences or at least disbelief in your own responsibility
mircea_popescu: the nonlinear junction is the machine. and nonlinear junction is expensive.
mircea_popescu: bounce no see, the brain is not an abstraction, it's an evolved mechanism. thus it has some channels which work a certain way to maintain it alive. malice requires your ability to isolate super processes from micro processes, so to have the former work backwards.
mircea_popescu: hence the "conscience", a pop reference to that fixed cost.
bounce: without conscience there's no cost
mircea_popescu: no, the cost is there. conscience is just the name for it.
bounce: not everyone is actually burdened by such a thing. there's a reason petty crooks end up in the slammer time and again: inability to own up to their own misdeeds, to admit it was them that dunnit.
mircea_popescu: to bluntly simplify, what's good for the cell is good for the organ is good for the organism is good for the group is good for the world. and that's how it naturally acts.
mircea_popescu: if you actually flip a bit in there, you'll need a shitton of boundry tests to not kill yourself with it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23350 @ 0.00075219 = 17.5636 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: they're not like 10x more difficult to catch each pass, are they ?
bounce: most of the time not of their own volition.
mircea_popescu: not in one way, but who says that's got to be the way.
bounce: then they get out, and are unburdened again. and right out after the easy low fruit they're not supposed to take again.
mircea_popescu: they get out, still burdened by the ill effects of their mismanaged flipped bit
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: no way! and yo upaid for the lemmings to be educated. that makes you a saint possibly.
mircea_popescu: which is how they get caught. because the code is broken
mircea_popescu: and it's broken because malice is expensive to write in software.
bounce: uhm. the expense is in the disagreeability of the rest of society, in fact it's the totality of society that bears the cost
mircea_popescu: the expense is in that it's fucking hard to have asm instructions add one way
mircea_popescu: let me go into details here, make a full model, save you some effort.
mircea_popescu: suppose we live in a fully defined world with a fully exposed api consisting of two functions
mircea_popescu: cell gets low on adp. cell calls rightthing() gets more energy.
mircea_popescu: body gets low on glucose. pancreas calls rightthing() releases some glicogen from liver
mircea_popescu: now, obviously, person could also call wrongthing() steal bounce's sandwich.
mircea_popescu: but the intricacies of calling wrongthing() in such a way as to not break the entire fucking stack are staggering.
mircea_popescu: brain is a repeating mechanism. next time person is in situation he may call wrongthing() again at a wrong time.
mircea_popescu: but if anyone's looking for intricate ways to waste their time, feel free to model a 5 layer system of successive binary calls like that, see how it affects population survavibility and how much space you need to be able to safely fire off both kinds.
mircea_popescu: should take care of about a year's worth of your time.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22694 @ 0.00075144 = 17.0532 BTC [-]
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bounce: it seems to me that the prevalence of crime even in an otherwise well-run system would indicate that this model of implied excessive cost isn't representative
mircea_popescu: anyway, the implications of a call aren't always obvious, which is a point well understood by security analysts, especilally with all the practice of late, and also how we ended up with all that sweet greek mythology about fate.
bounce: .oO( efficacy of greek mythology vs. computer security, discuss in a ten page essay )
mircea_popescu: im saying routers are expensive, you're saying there's a lot of internet traffic.
bounce: there's plenty routers that do mostly the right thing but then subtly the wrong thing in some cases, and the costs doesn't show up as prohibitive
bounce: (there's this example of big brand name (cisco, forgot the model) routers taking ttl 0 packets and sending them out again with ttl 255)
mircea_popescu: where do you suppose it's more likely for a suprlus to accumulate, urban or rural setting ?
bounce: surplus in what sense?
kakobrekla: urban = surplus of garbage, rural = surplus of garbage disposal area
bounce: well, I'd imagine that food surplusses are more likely in rural settings, and surplusses of "unwanted things" would be more likely in urban areas
mircea_popescu: if i show you two people that's all you know about em.
kakobrekla: can you dig infinite amount of holes? no.
mircea_popescu: bounce also, postmodernism is fucking with me. pretend the year is 1950.
mircea_popescu: back when urban and rural even meant something anymore.
bounce: there'll be yokels and fat farmers just like there'll be city bums and rich city folk. though I suppose the city folk might be more likely to have opportunity to amass riches.
mircea_popescu: aand where's malice going to be found as an art for its own sake ?
bounce: well, you won't find cattle rustlers in the city
mircea_popescu: the "good hardworking type" myth is exactly that, too fucking exhausted to be evil.
mircea_popescu: bounce yes, you will. spending their cattle rustling money trying to impress the wenches.
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mircea_popescu: and since we're on it, the "keep her busy" ideology of metastatic xtianity is exactly the same. "no time to think evil." they actually go out and say it.
mircea_popescu: and here we make the junction with how lying is an expensive activity - you gotta keep track of all the lies.
bounce: though I'll grant that mobsters risk stomach ulcers more than most other people
thickasthieves: <+mircea_popescu> thestringpuller it just makes me rich enough. // is there a difference, maybe a saint was "rich" enough too
mircea_popescu: bounce never knew one that had ulcer. plenty of govt drones did, tho. fancy that.
bounce was referring to some scientific study or other. says something about gov't dunnit guv
mircea_popescu: uhm. enough to pay girlies to show their tits ? i dunno.
bounce: though the expense of lies is exactly in the tracking to try and keep'em straight. in some circles the lies fly so thick that everybody knows there's lots of lying going on, so there's very little point in keeping'em straight
thickasthieves: when you are rich enough to do wtf you want, you can practice sainthood and all kinds of "expensive" behavior
bounce: does mean a lot of arguing and "convincing" and other crap. doesn't mean the cost keeps on going up; at some point the belief just stops.
mircea_popescu: exactly, an abundance in practice does not speak as to how the behaviour is expensive.
bounce: practicing for sainthood isn't that expensive really.
thickasthieves: sainthood might even be one of the most expensive things
mircea_popescu: i'm with him. telling an asshole to go fuck himself is hands down the hardest thing for people.
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thickasthieves: telling an asshole to go fuck himself isnt that expensive, but getting him to agree and understand is
bounce: go on, you know you wanna
mircea_popescu: fucking oneself ain't all that it's cracked up to be anyway.
bounce: quick, cracked on reddit
bounce: geddit.com, all the jokes from reddit
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bounce: wonder if you can quantify the damage to society by things like that month in jail for essentially no reason
chetty: the fear of it is a lot bigger problem
chetty: per trilema latest article ...insecurity
bounce: the fear of it and the government losing legitimacy, yes. wasn't thinking just the economic side of things.
mircea_popescu: bounce it's not the month in jail, just like the problem with stealing isn't really that omg, someone's going to miss what you stole.
mircea_popescu: it's the fact that she now can't plan, because lo and behold, randomly sent to jail.
mircea_popescu: so why even bother with those violin classes she was saving up for ?
mircea_popescu: it's deeper than the govt legitimacy problem, too. it's the conventional nature of it that's the major destructive factor.
mircea_popescu: were she mauled by a savage beast, while unfortunate, it is quite natural.
mircea_popescu: but this is conventional and as such brings into question convention altgoether, as a device.
mircea_popescu: which is a lot more than the statal excrescency on human society.
chetty: (we leave out the month she probably ought to get for eating that crud, but I digress)
mircea_popescu: bounce to rehash a limb of the previous discussion, you maybe heard that the best way to sink a good start-up is a bad revenue source early on. same thing with your thief : the opportunity cost of being a criminal is major in that you don't feel as much pressure to develop more useful traits.
mircea_popescu: for instance, hand't i been a gangster when i was in my teens, i could have gone to school, where i'd have learned many valuable skills and in time maybe even ended up a major revolutionary entrepreneur.
mircea_popescu: the moral of this koan being that nothing is quantifiable, except for the things which are already : energy and matter. not space, not time, not the chain of causality.
bounce: well, if you go there I say "uncertainty principle" and energy and matter go out the window too
mircea_popescu: the uncertainity principle is exactly due to their being quantified
bounce: or we could consider that accounting seems pretty solid on the outside but then proceeds to consist of lots and lots of handwaving. "what's this worth? well, uhm... how about $thismuch?"
bounce: so the question is more of a "can we put some numbers on this?", of about the same accuracy as typical economic numbers like GDP
chetty: accounting, also know as legerdemain
bounce: could even work out what's supposed to be the optimal speed through the system and so what the size of the various budgets like for forensic labs should be
mircea_popescu: suppose you tell me what number you'd like put on it and we can both go home having recreated the entire us state in five minutes.
bounce: doesn't say what the bond was set at
bounce: 4 is random enough for me, thanks
mats_cd03: i could not ascertain whether 'ashley huff' is a common name for whites or blacks through research
mats_cd03 trying to evaluate likelihood of being detained over meth spoon
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Dimsler: looks like 91 / 92 was the ashleys
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00075111 = 10.6658 BTC [-]
mats_cd03: my research suggests it is a predominantly white surname.
mats_cd03: >> white last names with greatest likelihood: Yoder 98.1% Krueger 97.1% Mueller 97% Koch 96.9% schwartz 96.8% novak 96.8% schneider 96.7% schroeder 96.7% haas 96.7%
Dimsler: well huff might be some form of bastardization
Dimsler: could have been huffington
thickasthieves: yeha huff sounds like some euro name that got chopped during immigrations
mats_cd03: i have met people with all of those surnames
Dimsler: lol those are all predmoninatly german / jew
mats_cd03: being born a german jew would probably be equivalent to living life on easy mode
mats_cd03: oughta develop a dope addiction. balance things out.
bounce: that really doesn't make sense
bounce: rode to school in the warped bus, eh
chetty: hahahaha: tweet: There's not much room left under the Obama bus.
mike_c: ;;later tell hanbot it's working now. looks like it was a problem talking to bitbet server. improving the error message is on the todo list. thanks for the bug report.
mike_c: and for the record, moving sucks.
bounce: on that note, next after obamaman will be what, a republican, maybe a tea-partier, and he'll go make war on whose asses?
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 pretty much central europeans are the us repository of whiteness.
mircea_popescu: bounce nah, democrats never lose an election again, for as long as the pretense of a usa is maintained hence.
bounce: yet another "yes we can"-campaign then?
mircea_popescu: maybe you get to have some actual fun and the same candidate is endorsed by both caucuses
bounce: won't happen. this schizophrenic one party system has a serious aversion to truth in politics.
bounce: and it'd fsck with the sport of brinkmanship
mircea_popescu: usians are notoriously idiotic in that they act all smug about how they're special to have had an axe handle shoved up the butt.
mircea_popescu: so maybe we get to see the first one party system in history where people enthusiastically support the idea.
bounce: (which is the only things that counts. provincials.)
mircea_popescu: you could say that before angie duff of derpytown, montana thought to dress in a sheet for her school play role as a roman matron
mircea_popescu: nobody even knew that's how the roman matrons dressed.
assbot: Germany plans tougher controls on would-be jihadists
bounce: let'em go and never let'em return
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punkman: "nine technical leaders wrote a report, entitled IEEE CS 2022, surveying 23 innovative technologies that could change the industry by the year 2022" < didn't mention bitcoin, because what is a computer and how do I even use it
assbot: Harvest for the world: France's army of grape-pickers in pictures | Art and design | The Guardian
assbot: The hot new ‘consent’ app, Good2Go, is logging the name and phone number of everyone you have sex with - The Washington Post
assbot: /bruces Nobody wants to see Buffet naked.
assbot: Do You Want Your Bitcoin Stolen? - YouTube
hanbot: punkman that good2go piece reads like advertising
hanbot: let's leave out the question of whether you should fuck if your decision making relies on a dumbed-down cosmo quiz and pepper the name of the thing with "hot" and "trendy"
hanbot: all while catering to what insecure users would actually like, which is broadcasting their conquests, real or imagined, to the world.
assbot: Can Someone Just Invent an 'I Consent to Sex' iPhone App Already? - Hit & Run : Reason.com
punkman: "The legislature is telling state universities to more aggressively involve themselves in their students' sex lives."
punkman: I think the university should just film everything, help them pay off that debt
bounce: "help them"? it'll claim the rights and fsck the students.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.0007503 = 11.4046 BTC [-]
hanbot: lol punkman. financial aid dorm, now with free cams.
dignork: punkman: not sure about legality, but there is a cypherpunk solution: video recording crypted by 3 keys (Shamir's scheme), 2 keys needed to decode, 1 key at court, 2 other keys are of the involved parties
dignork: doesn't scale to group sex though
hanbot: asciilifeform> unfortunately the only pill against the problem is: suitcase, airplane, new (non-usaschwitz) passport << which is why using app as palliative is particularly heinous (or particularly attractive depending on user sanity)
bounce: so, where do I pull me some new non-tainted passports out of the passport dispenser?
hanbot: why not the debate regarding whether people drowning in puddles should be given a swat?
hanbot: never been stuck in a gravity well, but i find escape from most anything hinges on ability to recognize and part with things that aren't needed. escape based on what one'd rather keep/is fond of mostly consists of waiting afaik.
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 390.04, Best ask: 391.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.96000, Last trade: 391.0, 24 hour volume: 15803.69862757, 24 hour low: 366.0, 24 hour high: 393.8, 24 hour vwap: 378.10556746
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15775 @ 0.00075285 = 11.8762 BTC [+]
punkman: from over here, it looks to me like half of you wannabe escapees just love murica too much to leave
hanbot: <asciilifeform> -- also you will need to remove little embedded shrapnel of X from inside your head. this may be the hardest part for some people << always a bitch. the good kind, tho'.
hanbot: food and shelter are a lot easier to acquire when you let go of stuff you don't need. that latter part tends to be harder.
hanbot: well naturally varies from one person to the next. if there were an omnipotent list it'd effectively remove the likely most widespread item: fear.
hanbot: in terms of physical stuff i left the us with a suitcase. more important imo was actually letting go of the place itself and one's place within it --possibly never to be reunited.
hanbot: kinda like getting served a bad meal at some restaurant and deciding you're not going there anymore, whether it's the only restaurant in town or not, whether that's where all your friends go, etc.
hanbot: eh, it's hard for people not to take it personally. i won't eat their sammiches, ergo i despise them!
hanbot: and it may not be the place per se, love for a certain avenue or whatnot, but fear of what's left when x certification or y language mastery doesn't matter so much anymore.
hanbot: hehe how's one supposed to do such rational calculations from inside a closed box?
punkman: so it's a rationalizing calculation :P
hanbot: well if you can and want to use assumptions about the space outside, that works. the problem is those assumptions may well be poor given data collection capabilities from inside the box, and for all you know you're being fed data to make you toil over impossible suits for the purpose of keeping you inside.
punkman: asciilifeform: what the hell do I know, I'm far away
bounce: thou shalt consuuuuuuuuuume
bounce: the state religion for domestic consumtion (the pun is mandatory, citizen). the one for export is called "democracy". and the motivation is "let's find us something to make war against"
bounce: apparently that's all they need to keep ticking.
hanbot: asciilifeform well that's cool, gotta work with what you've got and all. if what you've got is profession-dictated structure, then sure, i can see it. it's an uncomfortable thought but at some point it may become necessary to weigh the importance of that structure against the importance of freedom.
hanbot: which reminds me, recall mircea_popescu's bit with the captured mouse in the jar?
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell mats_cd03 I'll prolly have a list soon
hanbot: soft nose ---> sharp metal points repeatedly probably not in his manual
bounce: the state doesn't seem quite dead yet. crumbling, grasping, but not quite dead yet.
xanthyos: ;;later tell davidldubuc glad you dug your private key out of that train station dumpster.
hanbot: ah, so not an issue of "can't" then, but of not being worth it? well that's perfectly sound. most people i talk to about leaving the us are on the "can't" wagon.
hanbot: yes, but in their own minds. they'll contract flesh-eating muggerbugs or w/e and not be able to find any toilet paper.
xanthyos: omg danielpbarron is speaking to me
xanthyos: and only then be able to receive the msg
xanthyos: someone on tinychat tried to sell me btc, i set a price 5% under spot and was ready to buy, thesy stlled me out for hours, then said they changed their mind
danielpbarron: i don't think the price will go much lower than 380
xanthyos: i can afford to go bust, i'm not going all in
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xanthyos: haven't heard from stander since nitrogensports.eu opened and had a promised 5 btc freeroll on opening night, then was conveniently ddossed, and promises a 10 btc freeroll that has yet to be scheduled
xanthyos: basically i think they never intended a 5 btc freeroll, they were hoping to sign up a lot of a ccounts in the run-up to a big freeroll, and hope that some account generators would then deposiot
hanbot: asciilifeform incidentally this has left me wondering what free time is worth if you don't perceive that you're free. if you can still do all you want to do, though, great!
atcbot: No data returned from X-BT.com
xanthyos: so now any future freeroll will be from the rake they've generated and they can promote it without risking any overhead btc
danielpbarron: i like being tired at the end of the day; it's the all-year-long monotony of "conventional" jobs that I loath
hanbot is attempting to sort out the transactional mess here
bounce was just reading a text about buddhism, from some tibetan guy went and lived in the yoosah. said it was all about freedom. and that it's all in your mind. that's right, freedom in your mind. -- maybe this'll go over better if actually imprisoned in the yoosah, maybe.
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 170 Ask: 266 Last Price: 180 24h-Vol: 100k High: 198 Low: 180 VWAP: 192
mats_cd03: so lets cut to the chase. do you have a number for your 'fuck you money'?
hanbot: so if i'm condensing this correctly, you want time in which to not be told what to do (free time), for which you must pay with an overarching adherence to what you're told to do (living in us)?
thickasthieves: if you could do anything anytime, you might do nothing all the time
hanbot: asciilifeform: indeed. does thermodynamics preclude there being moar options besides submission to big bad or nothing, tho?
thickasthieves: the problem i have is that i think it's okay to be free enough to do nothing all the time
thickasthieves: so work specificlaly isnt exactly better, but it is liberating
thickasthieves: we're like babies making sure the edge of the womb is within reach
hanbot: godspeed freedom cheetah
thickasthieves: in the end yeah, many such conservations even have tours...
hanbot: did the ELF never steal a cheetah?
hanbot: eh i guess they didn't (searching turns up some delightful headlines however, incl. "Rx Generic Viagra - The Parrot Liberation Front"). anyway, i suppose he's free to die trying.
bounce: just dying isn't really allowed, no
BingoBoingo: mats_cd03: >> white last names with greatest likelihood: Yoder 98.1% Krueger 97.1% Mueller 97% Koch 96.9% schwartz 96.8% novak 96.8% schneider 96.7% schroeder 96.7% haas 96.7% << I've met 8 of these surnames
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 170 Ask: 266 Last Price: 180 24h-Vol: 100k High: 198 Low: 180 VWAP: 192
nubbins`: to be fair, that's an unusually large pole
nubbins`: this is a trial run, wanted to make sure the guy didn't suck before i get him to post larger ones
bounce: where is this? they have underground buses!
nubbins`: bounce lives in a city without tunnels 8)
nubbins`: BingoBoingo: "BREAKING NEWS: Ebola stocks surge"
nubbins`: you should see the rest of the pictures the guy took. not sure if drunk or couldn't find flash button
mircea_popescu: punkman: "nine technical leaders" <<< ahahaha just this.
atcbot: [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 170 Ask: 266 Last Price: 180 30d-Vol: 252k 30d-High: 266 30d-Low: 170 30d-VWAP: 191
nubbins`: just think, all cohen wanted people to do was light a match
nubbins`: now you gotta have a cell phone contract if you wanna play!
assbot: The next version of Windows will be… Windows 10 | Ars Technica
mircea_popescu: hanbot: punkman that good2go piece reads like advertising << duh. how do you think the pretense of "media" is preserved ? edvertising!
nubbins`: man i'm reading this article about cohen now and the asshole who wrote it seriously just referred to federico lorca as "gabriel garcia lorca"
mircea_popescu: punkman: I think the university should just film everything, help them pay off that debt <<< you sound like motherfucking mp.
mircea_popescu: hanbot: lol punkman. financial aid dorm, now with free cams. << shit, didn't i come up with that idea like 5 years ago ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> punkman: I think the university should just film everything, help them pay off that debt <<< you sound like motherfucking mp. << Upgrade the dorms to... STUDIOS!
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> don't be the person that you came with! << !
nubbins`: BingoBoingo so what's the actual version number? 6.3?
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03: not just usa. ask mr. assange <<< no, it;'s just the usa
nubbins`: heaven forbid they commit one way or the other
mircea_popescu: that's why getting him there was so important for the swedish collaborationists.
test___: Hi. Just checking out this channel.
mircea_popescu: that's why their failure to do so collapsed the whole thing.
mircea_popescu: "when one peers into the void, the void peers right back"
nubbins`: BingoBoingo one guy: "Windows X.11 for workgroups"
bounce: not quite the void, but lots of peering
mircea_popescu: dignork: doesn't scale to group sex though <<< course it does.
nubbins`: everything scales to group sex
bounce: windows for groupsex? o_O?
nubbins`: mircea_popescu i'm in my prime, i generally sound like that 8)
test___: *everything scales to group sex* Will keep an eye to this channel to confirm that!
nubbins`: wait, i get it. they skipped windows 9 because 7 8 9 :(
nubbins`: funnier if you say it out loud
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Microsoft's next release is XWindows
dignork: mircea_popescu: with group sex, let's say you had 4-way, so you get 5 signatures with at least 4 to redeem, but only one claims rape against another one - you don't have enough keys
mircea_popescu: you suppose naming your kid gamble is likely to give him a head start in lif ?
mircea_popescu: best scam ever would be for this priest in this small village to register births under arbitrary names
BingoBoingo: I just like how XWindows was annouced the day ebola was annouced in the US
bounce: why'd he bother? they're his anyhow.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> best scam ever would be for this priest in this small village to register births under arbitrary names << Isn't this why you commishun'd Deedsbot?
mircea_popescu: maybe he's impotent and jealous on all the other priests ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> because people who have sigs really need names << Not to register people's names, but subjects names
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: 'usaschwitz' should be understood to mean all of nato and quasi-nato u.s. colonies. << subtle difference between cccp and warsaw pact.
mircea_popescu: bout the same relationship between us and the swedish government say.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: -- also you will need to remove little embedded shrapnel of X from inside your head. this may be the hardest part for some people. visit, e.g, Brooklyn, New York to see what failure looks like here. << very true, but wtf, why brooklyin ?!
mircea_popescu: hanbot: hehe how's one supposed to do such rational calculations from inside a closed box? << ha! she got you there.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Pretty much nothing but strip clubs, fun town.
mircea_popescu: twenty years ago brooklyn still rocked. decay noticeable in the air, like dogs can smell snow. but it still rocked.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: hanbot: sometimes, calculation is fairly simple. you're in a box. outside - vacuum of far space. <<< dude get out, people live everywhere people live.
mircea_popescu: xanthyos: basically i think they never intended a 5 btc freeroll, they were hoping to sign up a lot of a ccounts in the run-up to a big freeroll, and hope that some account generators would then deposiot << what a great way to start something
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: hanbot: you were not mistaken in figuring that i'm one of the people weighed down by addiction to luxuries. but the only luxury i really give a damn about is free time. <<< this is so funny.
mircea_popescu: i've never seen anyone with more free time than south americans.
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: we're like babies making sure the edge of the womb is within reach <<< yes. but devoid of the conveniently muscled uterus and its precise timers.
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nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> i've never seen anyone with more free time than south americans. << lel
nubbins`: when i was in colombia, i had dinner with a german scuba instructor. he said "if you needed to study and pass a test to be a boat captain in Taganga, there would be no boat captains in Taganga"
jurov: <hanbot> which reminds me, recall mircea_popescu's bit with the captured mouse in the jar? << actually, if rats are given transparent lid they go into full learned helplessness
jurov: and won't try to jump off even after lid is taken away
jurov: there was plenty of research
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.00074865 = 7.3742 BTC [-]
hanbot: <mircea_popescu> hanbot: lol punkman. financial aid dorm, now with free cams. << shit, didn't i come up with that idea like 5 years ago ? << but you forgot to make intellectual property dorm :D (srsly tho, i'd forgotten meanwhile)
hanbot: jurov will the rats starve in there? or given food & reasonable temps etc?
jurov: she's showing off trezor
mircea_popescu: ppl stealing my ideas is what open source is all about.
jurov: hanbot yes they were fed, researchers were mostly interested in resulting depression
hanbot: jurov and i thought cosmetics testing was sad
assbot: U.S. News 12/2/96: Weapons Bazaar
jurov: A free-programming language is available for generating custom procedures.
BingoBoingo: jurov: All of those cages seem small for mice of interesting size...
jurov: i refuse to investigate further
cazalla: JuliaTourianski, gee you really upset reddit
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm guessing she returned here and continued conversation
mircea_popescu: incidentally, re jurov's rats : i wonder what happens once "they" finally figure out a) how to induce headaches with RF economically and b) get the social media profiling fine enough. search for bad words on google ? headache, stfu.
kakobrekla: watch out for ddos police with liabilities
assbot: "Don't trust circle. Keep your own private keys" : Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla btw, im working on an article that'll put that entire thing into quite the lulzy monture.
cazalla: BingoBoingo, still trying to think of a name
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Weren't there like 50 yesterday? Make an executive decision.
assbot: Logged on 30-09-2014 03:05:00; thickasthieves: call it The Biz
cazalla: drop the the, just call it facebook
BingoBoingo: cazalla: You forget autocomplete, call it Qiz
BingoBoingo: Oh, I thought you were going to do something annilingus related there
BingoBoingo: Facebutt is pretty much the recipe for tossed salad
ben_vulpes: <bounce> michele vs. hillary << kirchner's in the usa!
ben_vulpes: ms clinton's eligible for the presidency in another year
ben_vulpes: clinton (8) + obama (8) + clinton (8) = 24
nubbins`: why are we adding these numbers?
ben_vulpes: hillary rules for eight, michelle for eight, chelsea for eight, melia is now eligible for presidency.
nubbins`: feet (2) + ballhair (800) + ...oh, i see.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: You forget a third Bush... For the pretense of a second Party
ben_vulpes: 'swing yer partner round and round...'
BingoBoingo: You know it has been a while since a Roosevelt, but maybe we finally call in a Rockefeller off of the bench