nubbins`: oddly, i haven't received any more PMs since casually mentioning WC's actual job in a post
nubbins`: 5/5 would help design packaging for
mod6: i'll have to pick one up when I get a chance...
mircea_popescu: mod6 yeh just as soon as bitcoind-unbraindamaged is ready... in it goes!
mod6: that shouldn't be a huge problem. bbiab -- we can talk about that part a bit more.
trinque: I've found ntpd to be a pain on such devices; I just cron a call to rdate instead
trinque: ntpd can apparently be told to always update, never give up when skew is huge, but *shrug* never worked for me
phillipsjk: running NTP more than once lets you compute clock drift.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> (why ever run it more than once? leap seconds?) << One of those coming up soon
phillipsjk: I suggest pool.ntp.org for NTP servers that work reasonably often.
phillipsjk: Bitcoin tolerates time-stamps off by an hour anyway since a certain popular OS did not support hardware UTC until recently.
trinque: asciilifeform: ah I glossed over "why more than once"
trinque: in my experience the rpi skews clock as some function of cpu load
phillipsjk: Cheap is my Pentium-II-350 still in service. (also with 256MB or RAM)
phillipsjk: yeah, had to move it yesterday. revised the weight estimate up from 50lbs to 60lbs to 70lbs.
phillipsjk: I recommend 2GB or RAM for running a node. sounds like you are trying to get that number down.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> phillipsjk: neither fanless, nor pocket-sized, nor still in production. << The trifecta of want
phillipsjk: Hmm Freicoin is apparently using only like 36MB of RAM at the moment.
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mircea_popescu: bitcoin is bitcoin. no need to give bitcoin a special name just because some derps are derping.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: was 0.5.3.1 an actual release?
ben_vulpes: mkay, well i published a patch that bumps to 0.5.3.1, don't know if you saw that
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, et al: missing ingredient - armv5 build of bitcoind 0.5.3 with necessary patches - that is, 100% therealbitcoin-controlled seeds. << pretty neat
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: unstable configuration?
ben_vulpes: anything interesting in the logs today?
mod6: <+asciilifeform> call it whatever name, but assigning a version equal to ancient phoundation release is foolish. << foolish because of nodes that wont talk with < 0.8, or foolish another reason? i've always detested version numbering because of "marketing"
mod6: so it seems to me, the most logical thing to call this is v0.5.3.1
phillipsjk: I take it the female population in this channel is low then.
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk basically sanity split from idiocy in bitcoin on the topic of porn, back in 2012.
decimation: re: ntp server < to do a good job, you really need a dedicated server to host
decimation: yeah, you would probably want to average a few blocks & get system time
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> it's the only way to do time. << i've been saying there's no such thing as time for a while now, only the length of the longest chain...
decimation: asciilifeform: what stuff needs clock? filesystem timestamps? logging?
decimation: why does system need correct time between bootup and say two live observations of blocks?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> it is then tempting to omit ntp entirely... << i have no idea why it'd have been included.
mircea_popescu: and it DID have the correct time once. comes preloaded with the timestamp of say when we started this discussion. or w/e.
BingoBoingo: <mod6> <+asciilifeform> call it whatever name, but assigning a version equal to ancient phoundation release is foolish. << foolish because of nodes that wont talk with < 0.8, or foolish another reason? i've always detested version numbering because of "marketing" << Propper solution is counting down from 9000
mod6: ya, kalvin has been discussed too
mod6: i kinda like the notion.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> can't use time of last block then << that's where i caught
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform guy wasn't some sort of bright young thing
mircea_popescu: hard to know what exactly happened there. however, there's little doubt this was a ss job.
mircea_popescu: whether the woman was involved or wasn't, the ss should get beheaded and well shook up after this.
mircea_popescu: that's the facts of the matter : spy agency is inept (practically) and missaligned (ideally). it has to get gutted.
mircea_popescu: now, wehther the woman ordered them to do a job knowing they'll bothc it, or
mircea_popescu: whether some 'enemies' were inept enough to do all this and just land it in her lap,
ben_vulpes: <coderwill> there were promises of equity but nothing official that i saw (other than verbal) << how does this fly with you people - verbal contracts for a thing with nothing written. when you sign the paper that says "i will work for thus and such" do you not stink the place up for lack of options?
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: the private spy networks are probably much more frightening compared to say the CIA
ben_vulpes: i suppose you people also don't ask to see the cap table, and when told "that's privileged" don't turn around and walk out.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's not even the problem. the problem is that argentina has no school, and so either it uses us educated iditos, or else what, get the russians in ?
mircea_popescu: you can't find five argentines to rob a bank with, let alone do actual work.
mike_c: ben_vulpes: option grants must be approved by the board.
mike_c: the company has to do a 409a valuation to set the price
mike_c: their coming, we promise.
ben_vulpes: oh the board doesn't have their shit together with regards to the employee pool?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: d00d, there are 0 ride or die niggas in Argentina?
mircea_popescu: mike_c ben_vulpes it's a thoroughly broken, dysfunctional and nonsensical model, andja know it.
ben_vulpes: at least they're serious about not trying to recruit the "best! brightest!"
mike_c: certainly. just saying, that's how they avoid granting them on day 1 of employment.
mircea_popescu: mike_c amusingly enough, it's exactly the same process (dressed in different words) that your average romanian inkeep uses to keep the average romanian wench working under the table.
mike_c: i believe it. welcome to life under a thumb.
mircea_popescu: moar like, "welcome to we also use windows, because stupidity doesn't stink, nor hurt."
mike_c: it does smell to some.
ben_vulpes: <trinque> #btcd tells me I'll eventually be able to query address balance with just btcd and btcctl... seems like keeping its own count is fine, no? << key word - "eventually"
TheNewDeal: Universe would be too logical if a foul fecal odour were emitted in proportion to the idiocy of a statement emitted by a person
thestringpuller: TheNewDeal: lol, people have organ that makes them fart when they act like idiots
trinque: ben_vulpes: eventually is also when I'll have a fully synced blockchain
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ben_vulpes: one of the ohians renting squats to derps
ben_vulpes: as experiment, go try getting a randomly selected semi technically savvy person to take a bitcoin.
ben_vulpes: everone else...gives zero fucks. and will continue to give zero fucks until usd/btc bubbles up again.
ben_vulpes: hey mats, how're the massachusets sluts today?
mats: indoors awaiting the snowpocalypse
mats: hell of a grade school
ben_vulpes: every bubble's going to bring more into the fold. hurt more when it pops.
ben_vulpes: and also "take"? nobody was offering. selling, maybe.
ben_vulpes: can't say as i get it. either one owns btc or one doesn't.
BingoBoingo: The spanish pendejo sounds similar. Not sure if phonetic accident or otherwise.
mod6: and im wondering, if we use kalvin, and start at 9000 (it'll result in v0.0.90-beta) how we can ensure that other nodes won't think we're on < 0.8
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mod6: so my point here is, without a bigger overhaul to the versioning system; one would have to set 90000 to be v0.9.0, or 9000000 to be 9.0.0, but then what? because we should be counting down. and at some point, we'll cross the threshold of < 0.8
mod6: anyway, i like the kalvin thing. but that'll have to be something to think about later.
mircea_popescu: mod6 a) lord kelvin! there's no kalvin. an' b) just forget about this entire vanity version thing, why do you want to hardfork the versions now ?!
mod6: i was pretty set on v0.5.3.1 until ascii tells us that we might not be able to be talk to anything < 0.8 -- which to me seems weird.. because i've fully syncd a dozen times, and done send/receive np
mod6: we're getting close to wrapping up a first cut of this thing. so i want to nail down any changes before we get start to roll one.
mod6: any *last minute* requirements
mircea_popescu: anyone's more than welcome to run their own blocklists, which some people do. but the entire network's built on the premise that you can'trealy isolate nodes.
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> everone else...gives zero fucks. and will continue to give zero fucks until usd/btc bubbles up again. << at the time it was 50-70bux or so.
mircea_popescu: go break into one of these low income households, rape the women, kill the men, ransack the drawers.
mircea_popescu: see how many COUPONS you find. to "save" generally 5-10 bux.
decimation: re: version numbers: what about the knuth model of approching pi or something?
decimation: ben_vulpes: technically pointy sticks are already outlawed in most us states
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> fellow using webwalled - is quite like above illustration. << pretty good one. especially because it happened
mod6: decimation: got a link to something about that, not seeing anything relevant
mod6: decimation: they just outlawed sledding too
decimation: or were you talking about pointy sticks?
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> can't say as i get it. either one owns btc or one doesn't. << one either owns real estate or doesn't. where does that leave the teenagers, inhabiting comfortable middle class homes they can't afford, and not even having to suck cock for it, like they will a decade down the road ?
mod6: decimation: i mean the pi versioning.
decimation: so the idea would be you approach some irrational number with each improvement (add a digit)
mod6: so like: a]: v3 b]: v3.1 c]: v3.14 ... ?
decimation: of course one could just store the number of digits too
ben_vulpes: have the discussion sometime when we're not trying to do whatever we're trying to do this week, mk?
ben_vulpes: introduction of a new versioning system should not be an ad hoc thing.
decimation: re: ntp & bitcoind << actually, it would be possible to get ntp to 'listen' to bitcoind to keep track of time
decimation: ntp will use its own math to average & filter time
BingoBoingo: Just have to remember that carelessly configured ntp accessible on the network is one of the DoS amplification venues we hate
decimation: no, in this case there would be no reason for ntp to be network accessible
decimation: it is only used to filter incoming timestamps & maintain the system clock
BingoBoingo: Just have to make sure the toy node ntp implementation actually holds to that.
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mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes> introduction of a new versioning system should not be an ad hoc thing. << or a thing at all.
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mircea_popescu: myeah. groupon being an effort to make this into a BILLION DOLLAR COMPANY
decimation: asciilifeform: 'kernel space' < do you mean the shared memory api?
TheNewDeal: didn't realize it, but apparently it's possible to declare a snow emergency in the euniched states and make it illegal for anyone other than police and medical personell to use the streets
mats: I'm disappointed that The Imitation Game didn't go with the murder theory
decimation: asciilifeform: doesn't bitcoind occasionally need wallclock time for its orphan & 'peak' algorithms?
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal how about that! i knew katrina was a floor not a top.
decimation: asciilifeform: I suppose just setting the clock based on the timestamp of the last block seen on bootup isn't such a bad idea
decimation: asciilifeform: how does bitcoind maintain a wallclock without the kernel's clock?
decimation: yeah that's much simpler than gluing ntp centrifugal governor on top :)
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TheNewDeal: Mircea are you referring to the hurricane?
decimation: asciilifeform: re: $10-per-month-internet < yeah, except it's even more insideous - if you are the 'right kind of people', you get the deal, otherwise you get the full monopoly
TheNewDeal: Somehow that flew over my head, not sure if it was because I'm thinking floor(x), ceiling(x)?
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mircea_popescu: first time the bs "state owns the road" started afaik.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform usg still working on hardforking the internet, huh ?
decimation: note that usg accomplishes bifurcating the internet without actually writing down any law
decimation: 'they will do it if they know what's good for them'
decimation: they all exist under the heading of some usg fiat or another, mostly from fdr days
decimation: asciilifeform: not only that, lexis nexis (and like entities) even 'own' most legal codes in the us
decimation: your local city or state pays them to publish
mod6: We regret to inform you that your republic has termites.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: afaik Westlaw/Lexis actually hire minions to go to the courthouses to pickup and scan paper records
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re the "private", chris ballas had an excellent piece.
decimation: I was talking with a guy who was in korea in the early 90's. at that time, you could easily find someone to custom tailor your entire wardrobe for a low $$ price. he recently returned there and found no one bothers with that anymore
decimation: similarly, usg civil servants don't find much reason to bother with actual work, when coolies will do - often for free
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That's not burning man, that is clearly the middle west.
mircea_popescu: "The system not only pays poor people, it employs lots and lots of almost poor people. I'm not saying this is a good thing, or a desirable thing, I am simply stating a fact. Some of these are direct government jobs (e.g. staff down at the SSI office) and some are pretend private sector jobs. If you're a psychiatrist at an inner city clinic, you may think you're an independent contractor, but you're really working for T
☟︎ mircea_popescu: he Man (but with no pension.) That's the system. Cut SSI payments and those docs-- and nurses and etc-- don't get paid."
TheNewDeal: bingo are you saying middle west because of the woman's size, or the foliage?
trinque: could be louisiana... could be florida...
trinque: it's not as though they confine those things to a single state
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: foilage, trashiness of the dudes, vehicles, and woman's size.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Not sure, but seems more civilized.
decimation: m. danton's sans-culottes didn't need laws or instructions to know who their enemies were and what to do
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal most of what the man ever writes is golden. and unlike derps like moldbug or orlov, he a) isn't putting annoyingly self-advertising and b) doesn't actually have a pro-state agenda
mircea_popescu: decimation on one hand yes they did, on the other hand they fucked it all up.
TheNewDeal: Is this the same programmer guy who had psychiatric problems?
mats: i was under the impression most here believed the fracture of the Internet as it is now is inevitable
TheNewDeal: I remember someone giving a blog before that was almost always on psychiatric issues
TheNewDeal: I even remember some of the memorabilia on his website that had some catchy pschiatric puns on them
TheNewDeal: BingoBoingo do you have any clue what blog I'm talking about? You may have referenced him before
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Not at the moment. Maybe you can be more specific.
TheNewDeal: The guy had some of the most advanced discussions on anti-depressants and anti-psychotics that i'd seen before on a blog
mircea_popescu: well i only paid attention for a shoirt time and late on
decimation: because it's quite possible to graduate from high school in the us without actually learning anything about civilization or languages
mircea_popescu: "So it is inevitable that a deal will be struck by August 2, because that deal doesn't actually mean anything. This a is husband and wife arguing about rebalancing the household budget, each pretending they aren't going to pay the electric until he's agreed to cut back on beer and she's agreed not to be such a bitch. Whether they do it or not is irrelevant, the electric's still getting paid. The electric always gets
TheNewDeal: hmm it's not looking entirely familiar but I'm going to have to page through it.
mircea_popescu: reading that whole site's never been a bad use of anyone's time
decimation: I remember when moldbug put up his first 'begging' post - it was obvious the gig was up
mircea_popescu: most of the women i pick up manage to live their lives and pay their rents without any dotcom gifts or "speculation".
mircea_popescu: this entire discussion is about 50k worth of wood pulp ?!
decimation: well, buying real estate near san francisco was probably his first mistake
mircea_popescu: i thought we were discussing an abstract model of "the cultured man"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i doubt the man decided anything in there.
mircea_popescu: odds are, woman decided to have children, his choice was whether to pay a lawyer AND the woman orjust the woman.
TheNewDeal: BingoBoingo this definitely is one of the article I was reading > I remember seeing the receptors lined up as a fountain
mircea_popescu: generally, the sort of overgrown boy that doesn't shoot his own horse is in no position to pick anything. woman picks like at the fair.
BingoBoingo: The Rum fountain. No author appears to be a forensic pyschiatrist as he self describes.
mircea_popescu: by the way : is the vc circus of the belief that the well proven, on the courthouse record, role of one of the "big four" accounting companies in asset inflation and bubble pumping has been forgotten ?
mircea_popescu: rethorical question, not for they present, but for the absent if avid readers.
decimation: lol even in ohio a place near civilization is around $1000
decimation: asciilifeform: you can go down to the library of congress physically
decimation: heh do they even allow cameras? or do you have to be sneaky?
mircea_popescu: so, if "cultured man" is some sort of scholarly gentleman, then one needs some rather commonly available books.
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decimation: asciilifeform: for 'passive investments' available to the public, that implies a net worth of > $3 mil
decimation: of course, in an account that isn't locked away by some deal with usg re: taxes
mats: BingoBoingo: at a later date, i'd like some assistance with reviewing and rating materials from the courts-circus project. would you be interested?
BingoBoingo: mats: Maybe. Still experiencing brainrot for IRL reddit this weekend so am hesitant to make commitments atm.
decimation: asciilifeform: does it have a header already installed (v4)?
BingoBoingo: mats: I'll probably be amenable to assisting though.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> but not typical. << so much bs. looky here : henry miller did just fine, bumming bowls of soup.
mircea_popescu: because back then the average american understood himself as a peniless tramp, that's fortunate to even be allowed in europe at all.
mircea_popescu: seems a lot more productive. the exiled russian thinkers did pretty good in ny. a lot better, at any rate, than the nysu "professors"
mircea_popescu: so the problem here is thjat some peniless tramp gave himself a lordship that he then couldn't finance ?
mircea_popescu: mats: its hilarious that anyone wanted to pay so much as 1mn for blockchain.info << you are thinking money as in, someone earned / saved these. that's not what's happening there : they're spending money that was simply created by yellen / conjured up by accounting fraud / etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that is where we differ. i would live like no man, and i would impale anyone trying.
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mircea_popescu: yeah but the problem is still exposed : to live like one pleases specifically can not carry a rider of time limited.
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decimation: oil is a terrible store of value - it halved in only a few weeks! it's a good idea though, I'm going to wait for the next generation of chemical energy movement & storage
decimation: re: lifetime < 'My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
decimation: Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the whole piece is a neat summary of just how idiotic the demo is.
mircea_popescu: shut up and pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
decimation: well, there was a time for getting out of Paris
mircea_popescu: like a discussion among 12 yo boys about what makes women sluts.
decimation: asciilifeform: do you think that 'actual rich' don't get ideas from film too?
decimation: heh yeah might as well buy personal town for his toys
decimation: actually compared to 'rich men' of the past, folks with mere $ billions are rather poor
decimation: j.p. morgan singlehandly bailed out banking ca. 1907
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2015 04:45:19; mircea_popescu: decimation it's as fucking unbriliant as a lump of coal. at the end of the week, instead of having a decent steak and a game of bridge with intellgient people,
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2015 04:45:31; mircea_popescu: you're stuck hiding in your gated compound from imaginary niggers.
decimation: right. w.r.t. stuff, we are 'rich', but w.r.t. people, we are all poor
decimation: even if herr koch wanted to create a 'functional german hamlet' from ukraine, (for instance), how could he possibly do it without making it like disneyland?
decimation: I suspect 'rich in bezzlars' will not convey post-usg sovereignty
decimation: aye, m. danton-style. the trouble is, there's always herr guillotine waiting for yezhov
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 'the actual rich' as a monolithic whole is, i dare say, a fictional trope as well << what, and i suppose the island of beautiful women doens't exist, either ?!
mircea_popescu: decimation> j.p. morgan singlehandly bailed out banking ca. 1907 << nah, it was more like teh mp effect.
mircea_popescu: generaly confidence crises can be unwound by a party universally trusted that's techniocally competent
mircea_popescu: that's kinda how the notion of the central banker was born. it does make economic / financial sense.
mircea_popescu: (the college professor also makes intellectual sense, but the current day implementation has nothing to do with the thing that makes sense - "why is he a professor ? " "because all these people know him, respect him and wish to be his studends" vs "why are you his student ?" "because hes the professor"
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 'progressives' like to trot out examples of 'the people of the past could not buy an ipNohe for any price' << except current folk can not get stuff like... tomatoes, for any price.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> i do not know enough about koch to say < i do. he's old. this is a game for men, not for codgers.
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punkman: "blocked from the network by their peers for as a little as a day for minor infractions such as slowing down SNet with file-sharing outside prescribed hours, with lifetime bans for violations like distributing pornography."
mircea_popescu: "We don't mess with anybody. All we want to do is play games, share healthy ideas. We don't try to influence the government or what's happening in Cuba ... We do the right thing and they let us keep at it."
mircea_popescu: speaking of the derps behind the derpage : "Sara Miller McCune was born into a middle-class Jewish family in Manhattan. She was international president of B'nai B'rith Girls at the age of 19, and has spoken of the importance of tzedakah."
mircea_popescu: anyway, if you want to hang someone for the horrible state of publishing and/or us business culture these days, she's as good as anyone.
fluffypony: have we discussed the Croatian president yet?
mats: itsa winter wonderland!
mats: i am disappointed the snow is not piled higher. this is not the apocalypse i was promised!
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mircea_popescu: mats: i am disappointed the snow is not piled higher. this is not the apocalypse i was promised! << usg makes a habit to overpromise and underdeliver.
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BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> the only kind of animal in a disneyland is - stuffed. << Plenty of cats to eat the mice and rats.
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mircea_popescu: veronique Loquet - AL'X Communication vloquet at alx-communication.com << she found it.
TomServo: Ha, wouldn't that be something.
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trinque: asciilifeform: I'm considering jumping ship to a BSD soon as I feel like it's an informed decision
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trinque: former, neh, mountain of complexity lenovo laptop
trinque: later neh, only compiled stuff
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trinque: asciilifeform: I've got 150 packages in world; still have no idea how this system works
trinque: dunno what chance I have of feeling that I do on say OpenBSD either..
trinque: why the fuck for example do I have some daemon running for accessibility
trinque: seems to be related to running anything gtk
Apocalyptic: trinque, quick fix: nuke X-server and all gui-related stuff
trinque: I could get away with nothing-but-emacs in a vt for most of what I do
trinque: should probably just delegate web browsing to another device
trinque: then I'll just start bitching about the hardware complexity next
trinque: actually happened to a dell p4 whatever after it overheated for the last time
punkman: yeah I wonder why I can't find a laptop that doesn't overheat
trinque: Unexpected failure when checking for existing inventory during inv message processing: open /mnt/mainnet/blocks_leveldb/902277.ldb: input/output error << 1800 computer
trinque: has serious hardware issues
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: my theory is too difficult/much effort to make their own alt + (shit MP said about altcoins being worthless), so they will just fork bitcoin and try and steal it.
trinque: lenovo is supposed to be sending me a box to ship it back... I'll unmount and re-mount the usb drive and it'll work fine
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jurov: mo6 ben_vulpes asciilifeform was the version debate concluded somehow?
mod6: we're using v0.5.3.1
mod6: i think he's trying to make a v6 addr
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lobbes: and then just apply patches, correct?
jurov: i need to try it myself
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mircea_popescu: so i find that veronique chick as the first source of the ghost vulnerability, im all about to go into a rand as to how see, THIS is the sort of actual women in actual tech
mircea_popescu: except it turns out that she's just doing pr, and wasn't actually involved in the tech
mircea_popescu: except it turns out she actually fucked up the embargo, and the coordinated release became uncoordinated half hour after her stupid foot in her dumber mouth.
mircea_popescu: as more an' more cases of idiot women "in tech" blowing things up float to the surface like as many turds, the actual women in actual tech have increasingly more problems they don't actually need.
mircea_popescu: so dear stupid women : the best thing you can do for women in tech is STAYING THE FUCK AWAY FROM IT.
mircea_popescu: let the smart ones find their own way in, and if there's a grand total of three of them worldwide that'll be fine.
mircea_popescu: but in other news, i've had actual sysadmins thank me for the tip. made my fucking day. danke davout :D
mircea_popescu: assbot: Bitcoin and the dangerous fantasy of ‘apolitical’ money <<< title has a point. there is no such thing as "apolitical" money. bitcoin is quite very political.
jurov: i didn't read all the slides, sry
mircea_popescu: "During a conference call with reporters Monday, Fed staffers were asked why the paper made no mention of Bitcoin. They responded by saying that they plan to monitor developments with digital currency, and that later, as those technologies mature, regulators will possibly have a different strategy."
mircea_popescu: soo... their inept influence agents got murdered by a guy we won't name, and so we won't name the thing they were try9ing to influence either ?
mircea_popescu: yo yellen! at least gavin has the ballsack to carefully come here when i'm not around, you know ?
mircea_popescu: "Without a CEO in charge of the currency or anyone to subpoena, how do you control the bitcoin economy? The law is designed to deal with centralized institutions in which identifiable managers are deemed responsible for an organization's conduct."
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> derp. << /me is working on this with regard to the Derpoplis who went from maximizing arcade revenue to becoming "finance minister"
mats: i never felt so depressed as when i did 'missionary work' as a young man in Quezon City
trinque: danielpbarron: incredible..
mats: the second checkpoint i hit after leaving Manila, the church van i was in got shaken down by cops for cash
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mats: two kids i played ball with and taught spanish to died when a few shacks collapsed
mats: people shitting and pissing in chamberpots and what not, emptying the contents into the streets...
mats: hell on earth, and there i was, doing religious tourism.
mats: shortly after i came back, i left the faith. if god is real... i would seek him out and kill him.
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trinque: mats: hell of a disillusionment tale
BingoBoingo: jurov: imagine the camp Kyriarchy could have built
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: would you rather have a dick sized nipple, or a nipple sized dick?
trinque: thestringpuller: you can cut off the nipple... can't uncut the dick
BingoBoingo: Given the common internet saying, I'm assuming the dick nipple must also engage in shitting?
trinque shakes his fists at an uncaring sky
mats: run it in a sandbox
trinque: sites trying to DRM still tend to use it
mats: i resolved that day to become god, so i would never have to see anyone die again
mats: unless i wanted to.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform check it out : that guy wanted the stuarts, this guy is "return of kings", mayhap there's soemthing here.
trinque: mats: interesting actually, to think of god as a human aspiration
mircea_popescu: "Most cultures worldwide are patriarchal – to find examples of successful matriarchal societies you either have to turn to ancient history, remote outskirts of the world or feminist fiction. "
mircea_popescu: however, this MAY be like saying that illiterate cultures are the norm, and to find successful literate cultures you either have to turn to ancient history, remote outskirts or capitalist fiction.
danielpbarron: he blames capitalism for producing feminism in the linked article at the bottom
mircea_popescu: anyway, the main factor destroying that experiment is that they don't allow violence.
mircea_popescu: the nine women - three men island + slavery would have probably icmb'd the other one within a few generations.
mats: trinque: its the dream of every living creature. to grow until all the space you can see is a part of you. the desire for greatness...
mircea_popescu: mats actually this is a mental condition in humans, and the desire of squids and generally cephalopodes exclusively.
mats: there's two ways to do it: to kill anything that is not yourself, until nothing is left to oppose you.
mats: you say to all the universe, only I will be great, and to make room for me the rest of you must give up even what you already have, and become nothing
mats: i'm quoting heavily from a book that was influential in my youth.
trinque: you need some of that other stuff to exist
mats: some metaphysical nonsense... but i still think about it from time to time.
trinque: I think one's dominion whereas the other's destruction.
trinque: to own something means you can destroy it, not necessarily that you will
mircea_popescu: "MOSAC - a charity which supports the non-abusing parents and carers of abused children - says a third of all calls to its helpline are from women who believe they have been groomed into conceiving a child."
mircea_popescu: i wonder how prevalent this actually is. as opposed to interested parties trying to create a niche for their ngos.
trinque: mats: what was the second thing?
trinque: mircea_popescu: they can't whip up satanic cult hysteria anymore... pedos are second best?
mircea_popescu: trinque: why the fuck for example do I have some daemon running for accessibility << generally that's because if you need it you can't turn it on, so it has to be on by default. you can turn it off obviously.
trinque: mircea_popescu: wasn't started by openrc, nor .xprofile, just spawned off by gtk I think... ?
mats: trinque: an exercise for the reader
trinque: when I find out how to kill it I will
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's how the accessbility stuff sails in.
trinque: also get an adult! one with functioning limbs/eyes/etc
trinque: I'm sure this accessibility crap can remote control any gtk app
trinque: asciilifeform: notably -dbus did nothing
trinque: seems like the libraries using this stuff take it upon themselves to spawn the thing they want?
mircea_popescu: guy's obviously got his own agenda, but hey, won't be able to say he wasn't exposed to the sane set of ideas.
jurov: it's the very first chicken versions
jurov: will add 0.5.3.1 tmrw or so
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform tornade ? sounds like toynode, except also descriptive.
jurov: just have an ebuild for it? or it ought to produce identical binaries no matter what?
jurov: and name, bitcoinator?
jurov: er.. there's tor too
trinque: mircea_popescu: between the CVEs and your links this room pays for itself
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: kings << that one, and $maxint others, are 'moldbuggian' blogs that appeared in imitation, nth generation copies of nth generation copies, etc. << Less pseudoliteracy, more literacy as archeaological artifact there. Seems distinct off shoot of Moldsphere. Far greater focus on expatriation.
mircea_popescu: re thye whole "Source Code Similarities Between NSA Malware and 'Regin' Trojan " : the cause is quite obvious but somehow not found by the ever-brighter hn collective. that is : nsa outsourced the production. the way that ball got dropped is embarassing to them, and its very existence even more embarassing.
mircea_popescu: but then again, i don't know anyone but asciilifeform to both honestly and seriously propose viewing the nsa as aserious endeavour, and even he's been kinda shaken latelyt.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell teward * teward has quit (Quit: ERROR: Segmentation Fault in ZNC: admin.so: 56)
mircea_popescu: there's also the secret service dudes, guarding your tungsten bars an' sheit
thestringpuller: i thought they just protect obama and slap around counterfeiters
trinque: seems a place for rot to accumulate, not coherent action
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: this is why I think private spy agency with $maxint budget are more efficient than any USG version.
jurov: lolwut? znc announces its segfault so?
BingoBoingo: And after the toy drone incidents trap shooting is going to have become part of the standard marksmanship bar to pass, if actual lizard hitler.
mats: na, 'exploding drones' doesn't seem like a good way to kill a protected person
thestringpuller: You kidnap someone and claim you're CIA or some agency but really not (You're some shadowy private spy agency). So then when the "investigation" begins the dozen or so spy agencies point fingers at each other and unknown private firm continues to hide in shadows
mircea_popescu: much like the pacepa defection proved the end of the romanian thing.
thestringpuller: I'm certain this is not recent theory as its pop culture by now.
mats: they routinely deploy jammers, set perimeters, and have trained designated marksmen... learned their lessons in trashcanistan et. al
trinque: asciilifeform: it's that coherence bit that I think is important. An N1 rocket has plenty of power at its disposal
trinque: ends up turning the launch site into an inferno to match
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BingoBoingo: RE: KGB - Tom Clancy novels were right except "Jack Ryan" was russian and manifests IRL as Putin.
mats: asciilifeform: max altitude of 'Raven' is about 150m
mats: and good luck getting that high with a meaningful payload
mats: i think the WASP is a more economically feasible approach
mats: RQ-11 backpack drone.
mats: you have a point...
mircea_popescu: tbh, if you're going this avenue you're better off firing a home made sol-sol missile at the target than hitting them with a homemade drone
mats: i'd like to take this moment to affirm that this is purely speculative, and i have no intention of being so much as within the city limits of POTUS...
mats: Secret Service has no humor about this sort of thing.
mats: why would you want to buy a fucking raven anyways?
mats: we had a few in my intel section while i was in, fucking things would fall out of the sky a quarter of the time, 20 mins into flight
trinque: rc plane with a gopro... definitely deserves 20 years in prison
mircea_popescu: the sad fact of the matter is that the same general development that allows derps like yanis souflakis to pretend like "he can distinguish inflation from product improvement" also allows anyone who isn't a redditard and has a day's leisure to build a missile ; and anyone that isn't iran and so mentally retarded to build a nuke.
mircea_popescu: these aren't hard problems in any sense anymore. they're onyl still hard for retards. otherwise, the safety of "designated importants" ios a matter of public mercy
mircea_popescu: i wonder how long until it sinks in, with the mostly empty head of obama, with the mostly empty head of blasio, with the mostly empty head of everyone else in that group of derps : that they're still alive because nobody could be bothered to kill them yet.
mats: the SS certainly doesn't have a good record
trinque: mircea_popescu: perhaps when the state tucking them in at night fails to do so for a sufficient number of days
trinque: I expect a collective mental breakdown followed by wailing and gnashing of teeth instead
trinque: this and the inability of the NSA to act coherently I think come from the same dead culture
mircea_popescu: trinque i suspect they actually understand this pretty well, which is why the vehehehery gingerly treatment of actual powers that be, and the very loud derpage around idiots asking for a cock in their ass, like schwarz.
mircea_popescu: "Please take Econ 1. When the Federal govt prints more money and spends, you do not get much inflation when there is massive unemployment. The extra $ the government prints and distributes is spent, increasing demand for goods and services. If the govt then KEEPS increasing the money supply, THEN you get inflation."
trinque: mircea_popescu: maybe when they're all in chains they can dig holes then fill them back in for a while
mircea_popescu: nah. i happen to know what they'll do. sadly it's all in romanian, but there's dozens of articles detailing the "what do idiots who thought they were right and in power do once it comes out they were wrong and never really in power".
mircea_popescu: it's a lot of... welll.... actually it looks a lot like liberal-radical-on-reddit, in the early stages.
trinque: mircea_popescu: congregate and resolve to be bad at new-ruling-ideology to make a point?
trinque: portland business owners enrage me for that reason
trinque: the idea that being embarrassed about discussing money for example makes them a good communist
mircea_popescu: im kinda curious who will be claimed as the evil foreign invader.
mircea_popescu: there's always one of these, that came in and ruined "a good thing". prollly the chinese i gues, tho you never know.
trinque: if it swings "tea party" everyone brown
trinque: I don't know; thinking about this runs into the inability to coherently do anything
trinque: what does the tea party "do" now? make tshirts?
trinque: hm so maybe that's what lingers, the delusional faux-doing
trinque: makes me think of either you or asciilifeform talking about concentration camp inmates pretending to be guards, making fake uniforms
trinque: vs say mats experience of "fuck god, I am god"
trinque: seems like there are a few ways a mind can break