WillTablet: keep your btc
benkay: hang on WillTablet i have a book for you
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform eu : we will say all sorts of things in no relation to what we actually do. it's what built rome.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.0008724 = 14.0456 BTC [+]
benkay: WillTablet: there are two books for you to read before you put any money into the market
WillTablet: Okay
benkay: The Intelligent Investor by Benjamin Graham
pankkake: ThickAsThieves: yeah, it's a high level of full of shitness. I hope nothing comes out of it, because the real motives probably aren't good
WillTablet: Are they heavy reading?
benkay: and Buffett - the Making of an American Capitalist
mircea_popescu: hey not bad.
mircea_popescu: krugman approved reading.
benkay: yup.
Duffer1: ha
benkay: if you can't make it through them, you're not ready for the markets.
WillTablet: Might get the pdf as parents would probably be like wtf investing
benkay: mircea_popescu: you have recommendations?
benkay: WillTablet: yeah get u some pdfs
benkay: WillTablet: learning is free these days. take advantage of it.
benkay: WillTablet: far more difficult than when we were taught, but hey this is the real world.
mircea_popescu: benkay i dun see a problem.
Mats_cd03: books are for nerds
mircea_popescu: so is your girlfriend.
WillTablet: benkay: does it involve anything more that grade 10 maths?
benkay: nope.
WillTablet: Good
Mats_cd03: i pray to god for investment purposes
WillTablet: Then I should be fine
Mats_cd03: my homeboy jesus knows whats good with k street
mircea_popescu: if you gotta pray to god for investment purpoises better make sure you pray to the god of the jooze.
benkay: the most complicated thing you'll ever encounter in most practical investment problems is time discounting of money WillTablet
benkay: WillTablet: have you worked with exponentials?
mircea_popescu: either that or set theory.
WillTablet: Sort of
benkay: ^1/5 etc?
benkay: e^-iπ?
WillTablet: No
benkay: it's not that bad :)
WillTablet: shouldn't be too bad, no
benkay: and you won't need it to learn the important stuff about not losing your shirt.
benkay: but kid listen
benkay: sit on your butts
benkay: acquire more, don't burn the ones you have.
Mats_cd03: buy some atc, its the hot new thiing
Mats_cd03: in fact... trade all your buttcoins for atc
benkay: yeah hey mircea_popescu give the kid some atc
mircea_popescu: what am i, made of money ?
ThickAsThieves: WillTablet go here and install the wallet www.therealaltcoin.org
WillTablet: The kid
ThickAsThieves: i'll give him some
kakobrekla: Willy The Kid
mircea_popescu: WillTablet he's trying to be me, don't take it to heart.
WillTablet: Sorry, I am on an android ATM
WillTablet: Will google
pankkake: https://x-bt.com/markets/atcbtc trades happenin!
ozbot: X-BT - The new marketplace for trading Bitcoin with Litecoin, Namecoin and Altcoin
benkay: so how do we get the atc ticker in -assets?
mircea_popescu: Learn your Atc Btc Ctcs!
mircea_popescu: mebbe if we .bait assbot
Duffer1: .bait brought to you by Altcoin
WillTablet: ThickAsThieves: could you do so tomorrow maybe? I'm supposed to be in bed ATM, and am
benkay: .bait
ozbot: http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2unva3IM91r3drngo1_500.jpg
Mats_cd03: lols
Bugpowder: ThickAsThieves: I got my dad in at $20, he exited at $80, happy to make $60k.
pankkake: well, x-bt API is annoying. need an api key even to get trades
Vexual: http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=0eb0fad
ozbot: Image View - TIS
Apocalyptic: pankkake, yeah, a public API is under construction
Bugpowder: I knew I should have bought on the dip below $600...
Bugpowder: Just added a bit at $625.
Bugpowder: Where is the alt faucet?
asciilifeform: "came to drakula two catholic monks, from the hungarian lands, pittances to collect. he ordered them brought apart, and called up one, pointed to the yard, where one could see many sat upon stakes, or on wheels broken. he did ask: 'was i just? and who are these people, sitting on stakes?' answered the monk, 'no, lord, you do evil, killing without mercy; a lord must be merciful. and those sat upon the stakes - a
asciilifeform: re martyrs!' drakula called in the other monk and asked him same. he did answer: 'you, lord, are called by god to put to death evildoers and reward the virtuous. as for those upon the stakes, they wrought evil and were justly punished.' drakula spoke again to the first monk, 'why did you leave your cloister in the monastery and walk about the courts of great lords, if you know nothing of the world? you said you
asciilifeform: rself, these people are martyrs. so i wish to make you a martyr, be in the company of your fellows.' and ordered him sat upon a stake, but the other monk, sent with fifty golden ducats back to the hungarian borders, 'you are a wise man.'
WillTablet: Wonder what they mean by virtually priceless?
benkay: it's nice seeing y'all hash through the requirements of launching an altcoin
WillTablet: Does that mean worthless?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00087198 = 3.3135 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform :)
mircea_popescu: help create the world you wish to live in.
asciilifeform: circa 1486. "Сказание о Дракуле-воеводе." translation mine.
mircea_popescu: benkay it's not really belonging on the list. let people do their own charity personally.
pankkake: well, it doesn't even werk. or I'm using my client wrong …
mircea_popescu: curious what cads reads off that story :D
benkay: i hear and obey
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG.F2] 2 @ 2 = 4 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: many hurias await thee in the land beyond the wobbles.
mircea_popescu: hm i guess in english it actually is houries
benkay: save the houries for chaang-noi
mircea_popescu: i doubt he gets any.
cads: hmm, what is this land beyond the wobbles?
ThickAsThieves: <WillTablet> ThickAsThieves: could you do so tomorrow maybe? I'm supposed to be in bed ATM, and am /// yes just find me whenever
mircea_popescu: he'll prolly have to fuck cockroaches for all eternity.
asciilifeform: 'came once from the hungarian lands a merchant to the city of drakula. and, as is custom at his court, left his cart on the city street in front of the house, and his wares - on the cart, and himself went to sleep in the house. and someone did steal from the cart 160 gold ducats. the merchant came to drakula, spoke to him of the missing gold. drakula answered, 'go, this same night you will have your gold again.
asciilifeform: ' and ordered that in the whole city the thief be sought, 'should you fail to find him, the city shall perish.' and ordered the same night his old gold placed on the cart - with one added duacat. morning came, the mechant counted the gold, and counted again, then exclaimed: 'i have my gold again, but a ducat is extra!' and then the thief was caught, and the stolen gold brought. spoke drakula to the merchant th
asciilifeform: us: 'go with peace. and had you not spoken to me of the ducat, you would sit on this same stake as the thief.'
WillTablet: ThickAsThieves: yes
mircea_popescu: cads you know monty python ? the "there goes the neighbourhood" sketch ?
WillTablet: I have my PC on, since I am remarkably bad-ass
cads: :D
cads: ah, I haven't seen it
cads: is it john cleese making the speech about the wobbles?
mircea_popescu: see, romanians are uncultivated.
ThickAsThieves: <Bugpowder> Where is the alt faucet? /// is this needed for proliferation you think?
mircea_popescu: no, it's a cartoon
benkay: asciilifeform: what is this from which you're quoting?
ThickAsThieves: <WillTablet> Wonder what they mean by virtually priceless? /// so do we
WillTablet: Ah
asciilifeform: benkay: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2014#509711 ☝︎
WillTablet: Are yoy trying to make a point here? That altcoin is just another random coin that will never be used?
benkay: asciilifeform: context?
asciilifeform: benkay: scroll up.
ThickAsThieves: that's not the point
WillTablet: What is the point?
ThickAsThieves: that there doesnt need to be one for everything to change
WillTablet: One what?
ThickAsThieves: point
WillTablet: Uhhhh-uh
ThickAsThieves: it's heavy shit
WillTablet: ThickAsThieves: I don't follow this
cads: asciilifeform: hah, awesome stories
Chris_Sabian_: TAT - so the only thing different about Altcoin is the name?
WillTablet: However, I'm guessing the altcoins were a lie
kakobrekla: WillTablet its the 15th standard.
ThickAsThieves: youre trying too hard to fit it into a box, but it is a box
benkay: the coin is a lie
kakobrekla: the cake is a bill
cads: asciilifeform: are there more in the collection?
mircea_popescu: the little boy was a slice of cake!
asciilifeform: cads: tons.
WillTablet: ThickAsThieves: not helping that much
cads: :D
Chris_Sabian_: there are people buying altcoin for 350 - 500 satoshi on 2 exchanges
mircea_popescu: Chris_Sabian_ your mistake here is to proceed on the wholly prepasterous cads worldview, whereas that which matter doesn't matter, and that which is left once you're done ignoring what matters can then be counted.
ThickAsThieves: all these coins are just coins, and what makes them different is how people use them, whether they use them, etc
mircea_popescu: and who uses them, and for what.
ThickAsThieves: yep
mircea_popescu: because, yet again, people aren't interchangeable.
mircea_popescu: and there's no such thing as "views".
WillTablet: So any investment is just defined by how its used? Like if all pound coins but one in the world was destroyed, the one pound would become worth more than jhst a pound?
mircea_popescu: so you are, you'll be forever remembered as the goldstain of some views you didn't even hold.
mircea_popescu: (consciously)
mircea_popescu: in a sense, you're being raped.
ThickAsThieves: no Will
mircea_popescu: s/goldstain/goldstein
WillTablet: If confusing teenagers is this fun, I can kinda see why teachers do it
ThickAsThieves: coins arent exactly investments
mircea_popescu: yw.
benkay: goldstain was pretty good
ThickAsThieves: they are vessels
WillTablet: ThickAsThieves: so in order to make a good decision one has to look at what other people do and where that got them?
ThickAsThieves: hey!
kakobrekla: sounds like something desirable, goldstain.
mircea_popescu: WillTablet as the girl explains. didja read it ?
ThickAsThieves: good thougth
ThickAsThieves: thought*
mircea_popescu: spicasspielers can't speal.
WillTablet: mircea_popescu: where?
ThickAsThieves: i can spell just fine, it's my fingers that never graduated
mircea_popescu: ;;google mpoe-pr personal responsibility and the ponzi scam
gribble: Personal responsiblity and the Ponzi scam. - Bitcoin Forum: <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=106391.0>; How Pyramid Schemes and Ponzi Schemes are Prosecuted in the ...: <http://kschang.hubpages.com/hub/How-Pyramid-Schemes-and-Ponzi-Schemes-are-Prosecuted-in-the-US>; Domestic Taxation - LEHMAN TAX LAW: <http://www.lehmantaxlaw.com/category/domestic-taxation-2/>
mircea_popescu: 1. Learn the pecking order. All opinions are not equal. Some people are to be respected. Learn who. Some people are irrelevant and easily ignored. Learn who. More importantly than the who, learn why. Is it just because "everyone else seems to think so"? That's no good, forget it. Is it because they were right when everyone else was wrong? That's perfect, especially if it occurs with any sort of consistency.
mircea_popescu: 4. Step outside of your ideology. You might have been brought up in a very repressive social milieu in which some particular ideological slant was drilled into you. This is working to your disadvantage, get rid of it. Are you sticking up for your friends because they're your friends rather than because they have a point? Great for facebook, horrible for BTC. You will lose money. Are you following the crowd like a welfa
mircea_popescu: re state lemming? Great for the white collar slave, horrible for BTC. You will lose money. Do you think form is above content and as such it's okay to invade foreign countries and slaughter civilians just as long as nobody says shit, piss, fuck, cunt, cocksucker, motherfucker or tits on TV? Great for being an American, horrible for the free world. You will lose money.
mircea_popescu: etc
benkay: welfare state lemming.
benkay: yummy.
mircea_popescu: i hear people actually eat lemming
mircea_popescu: never had one myself.
benkay: shoes too, some of 'em.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves probably cause while you were in school, they were cutting class into the schoolmates.
WillTablet: Right
WillTablet: Maybe I get this
WillTablet: Idk
mircea_popescu: what's the rush anyway.
benkay: WillTablet: you're probably young enough for it to make sense the first time you read it. consider it a blessing!
WillTablet: Seriously, prolly having some form of ASD is taking its toll hear
WillTablet: *here
WillTablet: Can someone just explain what they mean
mircea_popescu: what's the asd/atc rate ?
benkay: maybe, but channel that into focus on important things and learn how to handle humans. it /is/ a learnable skill.
WillTablet: Oh and my altcoin client says no block source available
Duffer1: pankakke have an addnode list?
mircea_popescu: wasn't it on the forum ?
Chris_Sabian_: you need to add a node
asciilifeform: 'came once to drakula an envoy from the great hungarian king mathias; a noble baron, of polish birth. and drakula did sit and dine with him among the corpses. and the envoy saw before him on the ground, a thick and gilded stake, and then drakula asked of the envoy: 'tell me, for what have i prepared this stake?' fear took hold of the envoy, who thought a while, and spoke: 'seems to me, my lord, that someone amo
asciilifeform: ng the noble has dealt with you unjustly, and for him you have prepared a death more stately than for others.' drakula answered, 'you speak the truth. here you are - an envoy of a great lord, a kingly emissary, it is for you that i have crafted this stake.' answered the envoy, 'lord, if i have wrought an injustice worthy of death - do with me as you will. you are an impartial judge - it is not you who shall be
asciilifeform: to blame for my demise, but i alone.' drakula laughed, and spoke thus, 'had you not answered as you did, you would have sat down upon this stake.' and the lord ordered the envoy honoured, and gifted, and sent off in peace, with the words: 'you may walk as an envoy from great lords, to great lords, because you know how to speak to great lords; while others ought not even try, but let them first learn how to spea
asciilifeform: k to a great lord.' such was the custom of drakula: when an inexperienced envoy came to him, from a king or an emperor, and could not answer the wily questions of drakula, he would be sat upon a stake, drakula saying to him this: 'not i am to blame for your demise, but your lord is, or perhaps you are. for if your lord knew that you are unintelligent and inexperienced, and still sent you to me - a wise lord, yo
asciilifeform: ur own lord has slaine you. if you yourself had decided to come, with your own hand you have slain your own self.' and thus did the lord prepare for an emissary a tall gilded stake, and sat him down upon it, and to his lord he would send a message praying that in the future he not send to the wise and learned ruler a stupid and unlearned envoy.'
mod6: Need to add a node to altcoin.conf: Nodes:,,,
WillTablet: Yuhuh
WillTablet: So does this advice have anything to do with the offer of atc
mircea_popescu: what offer of atc ?!
WillTablet: Does the offer somehow make a point or do the points somehow make the offer
mircea_popescu: who's offering atc!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform going a little too far isn't it ?
kakobrekla: the round rocks beneath the ground have spoken through the fire
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 30 @ 0.12278 = 3.6834 BTC [-] {4}
Bugpowder: MPEx should have an ATC futures market, with delivery.
Duffer1: I believe I recall TaT offering ATC
mircea_popescu: nobody really has enough atc yet
WillTablet: I don't gave an altcoin.conf
Bugpowder: Maybe ATC.DIFF?
WillTablet: *have
Duffer1: it's just a .txt you create yourself and drop in the wallet folder
Chris_Sabian_: you need to make one
Bugpowder: We need some way to get in the ATC game. Why can't MPEx provide it?
kakobrekla: its not a .txt its a .conf!
Duffer1: er yea
benkay: Bugpowder: maybe an alt PMB
Duffer1: use notepad, add your text, name the file altcoin.conf
Apocalyptic: heh
Chris_Sabian_: you create a .txt file with the info in it and then remain it as .conf
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder what's wrong with just populating the spot on apocalyptic's thing
kakobrekla: why dont we just call pirate do do another round of trust
Chris_Sabian_: path in windows: C:\Users\[username]\AppData\Roaming\Altcoin
pankkake: kakobrekla: niggers.conf
Vexual: .dubstep
Duffer1: lol
kakobrekla: ithink its more beautysalon.txt
pankkake: the node I'm running is and it's in the source code, if you built from it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 19 @ 0.19376446 = 3.6815 BTC [+]
Apocalyptic: Bugpowder, they're waiting for you @ https://www.x-bt.com/markets/atcbtc
kakobrekla: if you had to put css on it, at least make it look rite
Bugpowder: Do you have charts? I need charts to do TA.
pankkake: doesn't even have working api!
WillTablet: So I put this in the altcoin.conf?
WillTablet: Nodes:,,,
Apocalyptic: no charts, pankkake lies
kakobrekla: kako doesnt!
kakobrekla: WillTablet the third book is the book of assets log
mod6: WillTablet no
mod6: needs to be:
mod6: addnode=<IP>
WillTablet: Okay
kakobrekla: just do it in console
kakobrekla: simpler.
mod6: and as much as i lothe btctawk, read through this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.0;all
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00087211 = 16.0468 BTC [+]
WillTablet: Got it
WillTablet: Might take a while to sync
mod6: werd
Bugpowder: I need to setup my miner
Duffer1: how many mb is the altcoin blockchain up to?
WillTablet: I have a feeling this might take a while
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 100mb overhead and like 750 bytes of txn
Duffer1: did you guys ever get the source?
mircea_popescu: the most inefficient way to process information ever invented.
cads: hey guys, lemme offer my apologies for stirring up the channel last evening
cads: I was a trollish ass
WillTablet: So what exactly is special about ATC? What does priceless even mean?
Bugpowder: I am willing to buy 10BTC worth of ATC, OTC... pm me.
mircea_popescu: cads that's the point of life dood.
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder at what price ?
nubbins`: to drink good wine before one's time?
Vexual: troll your pancreas
WillTablet: So this is still 2 weeks behind, no progress
WillTablet: Should I have added more nodes?
Bugpowder: 250 satoshi / ATC
mod6: Bug: I didn't have much luck with an order on the book for a week. Try x-bt, market seems to be between 400-500 satoshi
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder i doubt that many atcs exist yet even
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 10*10**8 / 250
gribble: 4000000
Vexual: nope
kakobrekla: Coins in circulation: 8,735,232 of ~268 Million (3.25%)
WillTablet: I feel so fucking stupid
Bugpowder: People said dogecoin was a joke, but ended up being very profitable for me. Altcoin's great benefit is optionality (look it up, I mean the technical finance term).
WillTablet: Ermahgerd
mod6: I got scammed out of 44k ATC @ openex so beware.
mircea_popescu: wow how ?
Vexual: how scammed?
Chris_Sabian_: mod6: there is an admin online on openex so you can be able to chat
mod6: they banned my account for no apparent reason, and haven't processed my last withdrawl.
WillTablet: Though doing cpu mining with altcoins and then buying BTC seems more profitable
Bugpowder: gox strat
mircea_popescu: outrageous.
mod6: So, it's kinda a wait and see situation. Ihave an email into their admins. Will give update when they make good.
Bugpowder: WillTablet: Depends on where you are on the adoption curve
WillTablet: Well, I am just burning up free azure credit
Chris_Sabian_: if anyone wants to make an altcoin p2p pool with bfgminer, that would be great
Vexual: mod6, they pay a lot of admins, i wonder what they do all day?
mircea_popescu: doesn't the current one support bfg ?
Chris_Sabian_: cgminer
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.06720001 = 0.2688 BTC [+]
mod6: Looks like x-bt did process my withdrawl today.. so far so good. Thx to Apoc.
benkay: also WillTablet you're going to want to ditch that Microsoft habit. gonna get you in trouble.
WillTablet: benkay: how so?
Bugpowder: ATC needs a killer app though. Has anyone talked to dooglus about ATCdice/
Bugpowder: ?
mod6: Vexual: they just ban accounts apparently.
pankkake: Chris_Sabian_: http://coinminer.net:19982/static/ is a p2pool
Chris_Sabian_: mod6: was that your 20k alt sold?
mod6: for no gd reason
mod6: Chris:that was a buy
benkay: no time to explain. ask the channel.
Chris_Sabian_: how can I pm on here?
WillTablet: So why must I quit this Microsoft habit?
mircea_popescu: /query name
jborkl: Bitcore library made all that much easier
WillTablet: So is altcoin a joke or a deliberately bad example?
mircea_popescu: it's a deliberately bad joke.
Chris_Sabian_: but it is a bad joke that is selling for 350 satoshi each
mircea_popescu: amusingly, i bought a bunch for a third of that two weeks ago
Bugpowder: https://www.bitcoinbuilder.com
mircea_popescu: i guess this makes me like one of the early atc success stories / nouveau riches.
Vexual: bc is oldmoney now huh?
mod6: ^^^
WillTablet: mircea_popescu: so should I just play along?
WillTablet: And be like oh yeah I knew it
WillTablet: Actually, I don't think I have time in life for BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20528 @ 0.00087172 = 17.8947 BTC [-] {2}
WillTablet: I mean, I haven't even figured out my intense social problems, nor stopped procrastinating
nubbins`: lel
Chris_Sabian_: right now altcoin has a market cap of ~30 btc
WillTablet: Well, procrastination I'll figure out tomorrow
BingoBoingo: WillTablet: First work on kicking the MS habit.
WillTablet: Okay, what's the problem with it?
WillTablet: It isn't losing me momey
WillTablet: *money
benkay: not yet
mircea_popescu: WillTablet not really. just give yourself time to understand stuff.
WillTablet: But it stops when the credit runs out
BingoBoingo: WillTablet: If you have intense social problems there are few better things to do anyways than pick up a *nix habit.
kakobrekla: not sure if bashable
WillTablet: *nix
WillTablet: ?
cads: :D
cads: +1
BingoBoingo: WillTablet: Linux, Unix, BSD, Solaris, Plan 9
WillTablet: Oh the server is ubuntu
WillTablet: My PC dual boots lm
mircea_popescu: you know it occurs to me oses are really like altchains
WillTablet: Which I use 50/50 with windows
mircea_popescu: and it's incredible there's no titsos yet
cads: oh hey, that reminds me
cads: has anyone applied portfolio theory to the bitcoin/altcoins system?
Bugpowder: Sure.... see https://twitter.com/trengriffin
BingoBoingo: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=39
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets bash
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder what's he written on the topic ?
pankkake: no titsos, but http://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/
mircea_popescu: meh, loli os
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 60 @ 0.0055 = 0.33 BTC
pankkake: which was followed by the more serious http://lwn.net/Articles/565844/
benkay: Q : How/why did you make such a great OS?
benkay: A : I thought - what would attract young users to Linux? So I created this idea after a lot of reading and work.
benkay: such work
benkay: much readong
mircea_popescu: who the fuck is rebecca black
benkay: ahahahaha
cazalla: gotta get down on friday
benkay: today in -assets, mircea_popescu catches up to 2012
pankkake: poor girl ending up as a meme
Chris_Sabian_: ...just dont go there
Duffer1: ^
cads: "Manfred drops in at his hotel suite, unpacks his Aineko, plugs in a fresh set of cells to charge, and sticks most of his private
cads: keys in the safe. Then he heads straight for the party, which is currently happening at De Wildemann's; it's a twenty-minute
cads: walk, and the only real hazard is dodging the trams that sneak up on him behind the cover of his moving map display.
cads: Along the way, his glasses bring him up to date on the news. Europe has achieved peaceful political union for the first time
cads: ever: They're using this unprecedented state of affairs to harmonize the curvature of bananas. The Middle East is, well, it's
cads: just as bad as ever, but the war on fundamentalism doesn't hold much interest for Manfred. In San Diego, researchers are
cads: uploading lobsters into cyberspace, starting with the stomatogastric ganglion, one neuron at a time. They're burning GM
cads: cocoa in Belize and books in Georgia. NASA still can't put a man on the moon. Russia has re–elected the communist
cads: government with an increased majority in the Duma; meanwhile, in China, fevered rumors circulate about an imminent
cads: rehabilitation, the second coming of Mao, who will save them from the consequences of the Three Gorges disaster. In
cads: business news, the US Justice Department is – ironically – outraged at the Baby Bills. The divested Microsoft divisions have
cads: automated their legal processes and are spawning subsidiaries, IPOing them, and exchanging title in a bizarre parody of
cads: bacterial plasmid exchange, so fast that, by the time the windfall tax demands are served, the targets don't exist anymore,
cads: even though the same staff are working on the same software in the same Mumbai cubicle farms.
cads: Welcome to the twenty-first century."
mircea_popescu: omfg we'll have to put dpaste.com in the fucking topic of the fucking channel because all the fucking noobs can't find it on their own.
cads: - snip from Accelerando
cazalla: hello again cads, how are you today
cazalla: can't use pastebin or say hello? you are rude aren't you
cads: yeah, sorry guys, I was expecting it to be two or three lines
Bugpowder: mircea_popescu: Nothing that I have seen. Just likes to blather on about theory of alt coins and bitcoins and VC shit. The whole Andressen Horowitz Twitter axis does it (Chris Dixon, Balaji Srinasivan, and Marc) Not a bad follow though
Bugpowder: Twitter exclusively from what I've seen.
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder no argument, i just thought he actually published something useful / put some work into actually applying it or w/e.
Bugpowder: Oh hey this is kinda interesting.... Almost all NEW bitcoins are spent. http://www.technologyreview.com/graphiti/524796/show-me-the-bitcoins/
assbot: 123!
BingoBoingo: Bugpowder: Because pools have to pay their hashers.
Bugpowder: Although, do they count pool payouts as "being spent"
Chris_Sabian_: spent just means sent to a different address
Bugpowder: Yup
Chris_Sabian_: some new users could use a tumbler
cads: Bugpowder: I figured it be strange for miners to predominantly sell at the market price
mircea_popescu: someone mining on their own will still use a pool.
cads: exactly
mircea_popescu: set to private.
mircea_popescu: the block rewards will be sent to some sort of storage, even if it's just a cold wallet.
mircea_popescu: consequently, derpy article about no subject.
cads: so the news is just telling us the majority of new bitcoins are mined by the pools
pankkake: actually, some pools pay with the block reward
mircea_popescu: cads except it doesn't even do that. all it says is what i said above,
mircea_popescu: "past a certain hash even solo mining uses a private pool"
pankkake: so you can know, for those pools
pankkake: but for the others, you can't
Chris_Sabian_: how about this one: https://blockchain.info/charts/n-transactions-excluding-popular?timespan=all&showDataPoints=false&daysAverageString=1&show_header=true&scale=1&address=
Bugpowder: Why is intelligent coverage so hard to come by? Are they actually stupid or are they just building a narrative that is catchy but they know actually false?
pankkake: answer is in the question
Bugpowder: Jonah Lehrer and Gladwell should collab on a bitcoin book.
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder because "views".
mircea_popescu: if you optimise for the largest possible counter of "views" it is antieconomical to actually publish intelligent coverage.
Bugpowder: This is the problem with scientific publishing too
mircea_popescu: indeed.
mircea_popescu: publishers should be rewarded by indingnance.
mircea_popescu: the more pissed off more people are, the more dough they get.
Bugpowder: For example, the recent dip cells in acid and they become super stem cells paper in Nature... Bullshit
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder aww and i was eating all these oranges trying t oturn my stomach into an octopus!
Bugpowder: Post pup peer review ongoing... nobody can replicate it, now irregularities being discovered in the gel blots...
Bugpowder: http://www.ipscell.com/stap-new-data/
Bugpowder: But the narrative is so sexy... Nature publishes
mircea_popescu: i imagine it'll be a good day when most of the people commenting on Nature are going "hey guise Nature is nasty I am ignoring it hahaha!"
Bugpowder: See also "Arsenic DNA"
Vexual: hey if it gives a viable story for where the stem cells came from in future findings, it can only be good for science
Bugpowder: mircea_popescu: That's the way it is on Twitter
cads: hmm, I might have an example of convenient narrative. I read an article of a blogger hyping maxcoin. She claims something about the mtgox situation that I can't quite understand, but seems to level the accusation that mtgox was engaging in fractional banking.
mircea_popescu: twitter is really very fragmented.
mircea_popescu: lots of idiot tribes.
Bugpowder: Vexual: Not if its total bullshit. It is negative for science, as that Nature slot is not used for something real.
cads: I don't know enough or care enough about mt gox to know what is going on there, but there was no mention of the bug or the millions lost
cads: and it seemed contrived, meant to attract money market types to maxcoin
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't go as far as to say it's bad for science, but it definitely is inconvenient for anyone not an idiot with a nature subscription.
Bugpowder: Nature guarantees that your work will be read and discussed by many scientists. We have limited bandwidth, must use it optimally. (like hanging in bitcoin-assets)
mircea_popescu: cads was it also a rewrite of the trilema gox article ?
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder obtaining cvorum on a definition of optimality however...
mircea_popescu: i mean this channel was fundamentally born out of some clueless noobs' inability to grok that intelligent discussion is more important than avoiding displays of cunt.
mircea_popescu: that and a practical smattering of impudent cockletry with delusions of hitlerism, but anwyay.
cads: my though was that if money and fund types hear there was a bug that let criminals make off with millions they'd be unlikely to even consider what maxcoin has got going on that makes it 'even better' than bitcoin
cads: but if they hear that what's going on is that a trading house is doing a fractional banking scam, that's something that appeals much more to their refined palates
mircea_popescu: nobody asked the fund types.
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BingoBoingo: Fucking Guinea wops http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-16/money-launderer-until-proven-innocent-italy-imposes-20-tax-withholding-all-inbound-m
mircea_popescu: bitcoin will prevail in spite of the current hierarchy.
mircea_popescu: whether elements contribute or don't contribute has no systemic impact
mircea_popescu: as the sine qua non for contribution is abjuration.
BitcoinPropagand: We make free bitcoin advertising-posters-wallpapers for non-crypto users, take a look: http://bitcoinpropaganda.blogspot.com If you like what you see pls donate!
mircea_popescu: BitcoinPropagand hey, you the guy with the posters ?
BitcoinPropagand: yes
mircea_popescu: do you actually print and glue those things or just design them ?
BitcoinPropagand: just design and give them for free why?
mircea_popescu: because i'd be interested in supporting a program of propaganda against us banking interests signed MPEx/BTC
benkay: ship some to me
benkay: i'll go bike around town wheatpasting 'em
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BitcoinPropagand: interesting
benkay: i need something btc to do that's not this damn parser
mircea_popescu: but the facebook angle of "here's some pdfs of stuff we made in illustrator" has little adherence.
mircea_popescu: they'd have to be posted, and the postings photographed and so on.
mircea_popescu: lot of work on the ground.
Duffer1: billboards even
BitcoinPropagand: where can i see some of that?
mircea_popescu: they want to run illiterate articles in their bullshit rags nobody reads anyway, fine, let's put some paper on their limos.
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 no, specifically not billboards.
mircea_popescu: BitcoinPropagand http://trilema.com/2013/snsa-cardano-pricing-other-statements/ for instance
mircea_popescu: or http://trilema.com/2013/rng-board-is-here-cute-shirts-bonus/ if you prefer women.
mircea_popescu: i did the exact thing with Trilema posters in Romania five years ago, country was fucking full of stickers and whatnot.
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BitcoinPropagand: the t shirt of the woman is too short
mircea_popescu: that's a new one.
benkay: au contraire, not nearly short enough
cads: http://therealasset.co.uk/bitcoin-maxcoin/ okay here's the article -- the first paragraph in the section "trouble at mt gox" gives a summary of the mt gox problems - glitches in gox + a bug in bitcoin + trade halt at gox + double counting.
asciilifeform: can't resist asking, why no billboards.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In the US CBS owns them all and fuck CBS.
cads: The it does this: "In effect, Mt Gox had left themselves wide open to any accusation that they were no different to any other system operating on a fractional reserve basis."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform roughly for the same reason you don't come to the global warming protest in your car.
asciilifeform: haha
cads: It reduces the (essentially context free) summary to that single rhetorically charged statement.
cads: first of all I just have to ask, 'wtf'?
mircea_popescu: cads why does some clueless piece in an irrelevant venue merit this much of your time ?
benkay: i'm pleased that 'fractional reserve' is now an insult.
mircea_popescu: now this is a good point.
benkay: 3!
cads: I was wondering about Bugpowder's earlier statement. Is this writer an idiot or a smooth PR savage?
mircea_popescu: useful idiot
mircea_popescu: covers everything.
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mircea_popescu: i'm kind-of surprised there isn't a localbitcoins but for activists.
mircea_popescu: a central exchange where people can trade their deeds.
mircea_popescu: decentralised, of course.
benkay: people who can build web applications while derpy as fuck are significantly less derpy than people who burn their hours trying to fix the world.
benkay: in that the former chase profit and the later abhor it.
mircea_popescu: well seems like a bug more than a feature, this.
cads: mircea_popescu: did you ever hear of the 'Freicoin' demurage currency formulated by some of the occupy wallstreet people?
benkay: except that fixing the world is impossible except randomly from time to time as in the satoshi case.
mircea_popescu: cads yes, at the time.
mircea_popescu: and yes, i thought it's a good match, it's about as misguided as the people that came up with it.
asciilifeform: freicon! arbeit macht frei.
asciilifeform: i still don't get how that was supposed to work. 'eat shit! it tastes just as good as food! trust us'
BingoBoingo: freicoin removes Bitcoin's biggest market driver - "store of value"
mircea_popescu: benkay "being rich" is also impossible, how about that.
cads: The Freicoin website says, "Freicoin's parameters are carefully chosen to eliminate the basic interest component of investments, called the liquidity premium by economists. Usurious non-zero basic interest distorts the free market, incentivises poisonous greed, excess, and short-term thinking, and perpetuates a vicious cycle of boom/bust recessions."
BitcoinPropagand: Whos ur target, what's ur budget?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because if you really really will something, that'll matter. in that your imagination has some bearing on reality.
benkay: you and i are both using "impossible" in the sense of "impossible for you or most other people"
benkay: mircea_popescu ^^
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mircea_popescu: benkay no, it's just self-defeating. the previous fixage becomes the baseline for the new brokedness
mircea_popescu: the richness of yesterday is merely poverty now.
benkay: except in bitcoin, mircea_popescu
cads: mircea_popescu: the market cap of freicoin is an initial jump followed by an absolutely perfect exponential decay: http://coinmarketcap.com/frc_90.html
benkay: the richness of today is the more richness of tomorrow
mircea_popescu: maybe.
cads: mircea_popescu: freicoin ain't going to inspire no greed, no sir!
mircea_popescu: cads you grossly misrepresent "greed".
cads: arguably their mission is complete :)
cads: mircea_popescu: I'm mostly laughing at freicoin.
mircea_popescu: BitcoinPropagand my budget is for the purpose of this discussion unlimited, but it is also unfortunately useless.
mircea_popescu: i could have just bought out the damned billboards if that was the angle i wanted.
asciilifeform: http://furtherglory.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/arbeit_macht_frei.jpg
mircea_popescu: cads o i missed a sarcasm there.
cads: I heard about it from, get this, a grungy muddy finance grad student living with two other grungy dudes in a 300 tent colony that had sprung up in one of the main parks in the center of atlanta
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6338 @ 0.00087376 = 5.5379 BTC [+] {2}
cads: living cramped in a tent*
mircea_popescu: were they confused as to the whereabouts of wall street ?
asciilifeform: i still don't grok this. did anyone actually wish to use freicoin? or merely for others to use it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that question cuts to the heart of the matter.
cads: mircea_popescu: no no, to the left and the right and the north and the south towered the enormous buildings of the billionaires
mircea_popescu: does the "feminist" not wish to wear slutty clothes herself,
cads: laughing at them
mircea_popescu: or for other girls stop doing it ?
cads: boxing them in :D
mircea_popescu: lol
cads: it was funny because there were business men filing nervously past the tents every day
mircea_popescu: you know, i'd have gone to work early and hung out with the bums half an hour.
cads: on the camp ground there was hustle and bustle and optimism and the undeniably knowledge that they were DOING SOMETHING.
mircea_popescu: why pay for entertainment.
asciilifeform: 'less world, more bank!'
cads: they had, get thiss
cads: runners
cads: runners that would run between camps in the city
cads: and spread news :D
mircea_popescu: i'd have been all like "but yo, if there's no more banks, were'd you check your privilege ?"
mircea_popescu: so good for them. running is quite healthy for young men.
benkay: you keep it in your encrypted privelege wallet
cads: the dialog of privilege had not been opened in the public yet
cads: the key meme was the rhetoric of the "one percent"
mircea_popescu: i'd have had my printer print special PRIVILEGE CHECKs
mircea_popescu: and distributed them.
cads: haha
cads: maybe that's all white people have to do
benkay: privileged to rape one feminist?
mircea_popescu: and the kids' be all "but we don't have an account"
cads: well come on to the MP bank!
cads: and sign up!
mircea_popescu: and i'd have been all like a well.
mircea_popescu: nah.
benkay: "it's just a fantasy, office! this is totally consensual!"
cads: "free checking and savings for students"
mircea_popescu: mp bank prolly charges 100k to open an acct anyway.
KRS-One: heh
benkay: it's really a membership fee to the cigar and wine vaults
BingoBoingo: The original 1%'ers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outlaw_motorcycle_club#One_percenter
benkay: banking's just a side-bennie
mircea_popescu: i wonder what'll happen once teh bitcoin forum crowd finds out there actually are plenty of irl banks that work exactly this way.
asciilifeform: i actually entertained myself at the wash. d.c. 'occupy' regularly, until it finally croaked. got GBs of video of these folks clowning around in a thousand riotously inane ways.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu:because i'd be interested in supporting a program of propaganda against us banking interests signed MPEx/BTC
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform did you pick up ?
nubbins`: ^ you know, that's not an entirely difficult task to pull off.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` provided enough people think with their heads, yes.
asciilifeform: it wasn't like they quizzed you for redditard orthodoxy at the door (what door)
asciilifeform: lots of idlers, in nice suits or otherwise, came to gawk.
mircea_popescu: ha!
mircea_popescu: so i wouldn't have been the only one huh,
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nubbins`: mircea_popescu: any decent-sized city likely has a number of print shops that would happily churn out and slap up posters
mircea_popescu: srsly, if the ny mayor had any sense he'd have passed an ordinance saying that kids are allowed to camp indefinitely oly for as long as they're naked, also get three meals a day courtesy of the city.
nubbins`: you could even get some of the big names to do some designs, get a bit of momentum behind it
mircea_popescu: then pass clothes dump trucks to collect the textile contraband, and beat the shit out of any dressed kids left.
asciilifeform: here, eventually the city confiscated their latrines.
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: You don't want to hit the big cities. Go for the select suburbs and exurbs where they actually live.
asciilifeform: some found their way into restaurant shitters, others did what they will where they stood
asciilifeform: eventually health inspectors condemned the tents.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.19376446 = 1.3564 BTC [+]
BitcoinPropagand: I need to know more about that program of propaganda
mircea_popescu: http://thehill.com/blogs/global-affairs/asia-pacific/198506-report-spies-watched-us-lawyers-in-trade-deal
nubbins`: BitcoinPropagand: what's to know? make posters and hire kids to put 'em up. this is how shows are advertised all across north america
benkay: mircea_popescu: that's what made me think about cold-calling DC intl law firms.
ThickAsThieves: dammit i'm missing good conversations
ozbot: US law firm ensnared in spying by NSA ally | TheHill
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform new york missed a huge opportunity to start the largest fuckfest/rave in the history of the us.
mircea_popescu: could have eaten rio's festival tourist trade right off.
benkay: what do you call 8 bankers jumping out of a plane?
asciilifeform: they sorta did
benkay: scuse me 8 programmers
asciilifeform: but with genuine bums in the mix, it was 'acquired taste' rather than 'general interest' kind of affair.
ThickAsThieves: <Bugpowder> Do you have charts? I need charts to do TA. /// http://atc.blockr.io
benkay: "air pollution"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you mean all the waspish wallflowers weren't about to take smelly bum cock ?
asciilifeform: sumthinglikethat
mircea_popescu: bs.
mircea_popescu: they'd have been all over that.
ThickAsThieves: <WillTablet> Though doing cpu mining with altcoins and then buying BTC seems more profitable /// yeah but nubbins might call you a scammer
asciilifeform: evidently not enough.
mircea_popescu: only because of the ny mayor missing some very reasonable measures.
ThickAsThieves: <Bugpowder> ATC needs a killer app though. Has anyone talked to dooglus about ATCdice /// has he made alt versions before?
mircea_popescu: if they did what i propose you'd have a baby boom on your hands atm
asciilifeform: at any rate, the politically-aspirational academtards who were the 'krysha' of occupy eventually pulled the plug
asciilifeform: after der fuhrer's re-election was clinched
benkay: last thing we need is more 99%ers
mircea_popescu: myeah.
ThickAsThieves: <WillTablet> I mean, I haven't even figured out my intense social problems, nor stopped procrastinating // dont confuse procrastinating with not wanting to do stupid shit
mircea_popescu: benkay more children is a time-tested solution to any social problem.
Bugpowder: ThickAsThieves: doge-dice has huge volume
Bugpowder: I had to add it to my hosts file
Bugpowder: along with just-dice
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://eurasian-law-breaking-news.blogspot.ro/2011/11/abramovich-explains-krysha-concept-to.html for lelz.
KRS-One: i took just-dice money and they arent getting it back
asciilifeform: as if it needs much of an explanation beyond simple translation in the anglo world.
BingoBoingo: KRS-One: Move it into BitBet
asciilifeform: (or elsewhere for that matter)
KRS-One: i will
ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> lots of idiot tribes. // you owe Seth Godin royalties now
BingoBoingo: KRS-One: What bets are you looking at atm?
Bugpowder: benkay: If you want, my good friend is a DC associate at said international law firm.
KRS-One: havent looked for the last week or two
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves right, the dood contributed.
Bugpowder: don't exactly understand why you want to contact them
cazalla: check your bitcoin privilege
benkay: sell 'em cardanos, Bugpowder
benkay: plus "how to keep comms secure" lessons
kakobrekla: O_o
benkay: oh you no cardano?
benkay: homie you behind the times like whoa
benkay: ;;google cardano
gribble: Gerolamo Cardano - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerolamo_Cardano>; Cardano: <http://www.cardano.com/>; Cardan biography: <http://www-history.mcs.st-andrews.ac.uk/Biographies/Cardan.html>
benkay: ;;google trilema cardano
gribble: S.NSA - Cardano pricing, other statements pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: <http://trilema.com/snsa-cardano-pricing-other-statements>; Unsorted collection of various Cardano related updates + ... - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/2013/unsorted-collection-of-various-cardano-related-updates-spurious-pics/>; S.NSA, January 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: (1 more message)
benkay: (first (second %))
BingoBoingo: KRS-One: Take 'NO' on this one http://bitbet.us/bet/281/btc-usd-at-mtgox-will-be-above-150-on/
mircea_popescu: from the random herp with mental issues and lulzy url department : http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/archives/10482
KRS-One: hmm
KRS-One: why is everyone yes?
KRS-One: mostly ys
BingoBoingo: KRS-One: You know it will be an interesting sweat.
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> i mean this channel was fundamentally born out of some clueless noobs' inability to grok that intelligent discussion is more important than avoiding displays of cunt. < not really, was just to impress girls.
mircea_popescu: that too
Bugpowder: sounds good
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sikjs9Jl_tg
Bugpowder: BingoBoingo: weighting sux
mircea_popescu: look at that, benkay may have actually got himself rich.
ozbot: Sam Simmons Problems 'Daddy wants a biscuit' - YouTube
Bugpowder: cardano... looks legit!
BingoBoingo: Bugpowder: Not really given where Gox is going.
Bugpowder: BingoBoingo: I think there is an 80% chance that resolves as yes.
BingoBoingo: Oh, ye of excessive faith.
BingoBoingo: KRS-One: A decent second choice would be to start a BitBet.
BingoBoingo: South Syndney Rabbitohs to win the NRL regular season.
cazalla: up the tigers
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ThickAsThieves: i took no on that bet
Bugpowder: BingoBoingo: If you feel so strongly, why not buy the O.USD.P500T @ 1.500 BTC
ThickAsThieves: just in case
BingoBoingo: Bugpowder: I'm tied up in other things atm.
ThickAsThieves: well, for fun
KRS-One: That gox bet stinks, if they arent insolvent I'm sure they will be above $150
BingoBoingo: Well it depends on how long they can play pretend.
ThickAsThieves: well thats the bet at this point
KRS-One: They can get bought out too before anything drastic happens, I'm sure.
BingoBoingo: KRS-One: How much BTC are you looking to Bitbet, enough to play both sides?
KRS-One: There is a bit of goodwill with the mtgox brand..its been around a while.
KRS-One: Heh interesting
KRS-One: u can play both huh
Duffer1: brand presence sure but i wouldn't really call it goodwill :P
BingoBoingo: KRS-One: Playing both sides is often the best way to BitBet
KRS-One: goodwill is also negative
KRS-One: just the fact the brand is well known is what counts and even adds to balance sheets
Duffer1: ya
mircea_popescu: KRS-One you're wrong on that score.
mircea_popescu: mtgox is widely known for being shit.
mircea_popescu: this makes it a net negative, like bfl.
mircea_popescu: anyone seriously thinking of running their business would immediately rebrand.
mircea_popescu: not that anyone seriously is thinking of running their business.
ThickAsThieves: rebrand by pissing on it
KRS-One: goodwill whether negative or positive is accounted for on balance sheets
Duffer1: ohh i see like trilema asset reports
nubbins`: at this point trading magic cards would add legitimacy to their operation
Vexual: ^^
Duffer1: i took that to mean something else...
BingoBoingo: I still have no answer to my wondering if maybe Mark Gox has a touch of Downs.
KRS-One: so even though mtgox has a negative reputation, most publications reference them..is that a bad thing to a new company trying to acquire the brand?
KRS-One: publications are always quoting prices from mtgox
KRS-One: and they've had a bad rep for years
BingoBoingo: KRS-One: Unless you are fiat capitalized out of the wazoo.
mircea_popescu: KRS-One it is, yes.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is not a mass venture. this isn;'t trying to bring about the next britney spears.
KRS-One: Im not making an argument for that really but i dig.
mircea_popescu: that aside "publications" are about as relevant as mice.
mircea_popescu: mice have been trying to eat cheese for millenia. does this mean cheese is a bank ?
KRS-One: Started out as bitbet wheher gox will go out of business.
mircea_popescu: should i plug my keyboard into a large block of cheese ?
KRS-One: Happy Birthday dude..not sure what the whole thing is on birthdays anyway..I passed the last 3 without any fanfare.
kakobrekla: happy bingo birthday
BingoBoingo: Thank you. I already had the delicous birthday dinner. Roast beef tongue.
ThickAsThieves: kinky
mike_c: gratz bingo. make a bet today. b-day bets are always lucky.
BingoBoingo: mike_c: I made the unluckiest bet of all. I bought a lottery ticker with my vodka from the Arab store.
mike_c: hah. might as well swing big
BingoBoingo: Well it was for the little lotto so I have a 1 in 500,000 chance of winning.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17819 @ 0.00087615 = 15.6121 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: If I win though, I'll probably add 50 BTC to my holdings.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if one must play lotto, why the fiat variety, and not xxx-dice?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Lotto has a longer lead time until chance renders its verdict. I like to savor the tension.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.115 = 1.38 BTC [-]
pankkake: yeah it feels weird for lotto chances of winning
BitcoinPropagand: nubbins` 1st you need to have the right message otherwise you will pass unnoticed
nubbins`: no need to tell me that!
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Well another upside to the lotto is most of my losing ticket I can know goes to miseducating the children.
BitcoinPropagand: what's the concept then?
nubbins`: no concept
pankkake: I've only bet 3×0.01BTC at 0.0099% chance
nubbins`: just talking hypotheticals
BitcoinPropagand: i see.
pankkake: BingoBoingo: your sentence does not compute
pankkake: at least in my head
nubbins`: another upside to X is that Y goes to Z
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Maybe you are Sparc, while I am still 68k
nubbins`: Y being bingo's wasted money
nubbins`: Z goes to reading wallabee entrails
nubbins`: wallaby
nubbins`: w/e
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: I'm not an Aussie. Wallabee would be too expensive to fly out just for that.
nubbins`: why do i think you are?
nubbins`: i think it's your nick
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.07001 = 0.9801 BTC [-] {2}
Vexual: of the extra hydroxyls
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Prolly cause I'm awake when the Aussies are.
pankkake: this chan has weird sleep patterns
pankkake: I guess it's why I got sucked into it!
nubbins`: it's 11:36pm
pankkake: it's 4:06 am
nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=470165.0
nubbins`: it's a new type of win
ozbot: [BOUNTY] Need a logo and slogan for new hybrid exchange
KRS-One: I still think even though there are companies with bad reputations that buying the brand is still worthwhile and even adds to the balance sheet.
BingoBoingo: It's 8 minutes after the hour
BingoBoingo: Sometime you suckers will abandon days and learn to embrace living by the hour
KRS-One: I'd have to disagree with mircea_popescu. I mean look at K-Mart it was bought by sears and nobody liked K-Mart.
nubbins`: heh.
KRS-One: A lot of money was involved with that.
KRS-One: I learned a little something in college.
KRS-One: between parties
KRS-One: and work and goofing off
kakobrekla: yes, time is arbitrary. i have been saying this for years now.
nubbins`: what are numbers, anyway?
BingoBoingo: Nobay likes sears either KRS-One
kakobrekla: and with that, im leaving cause its fukken late!
nubbins`: i'm leaving because i'm listless
KRS-One: yeah and they didnt change the kmart brand
KRS-One: point is, even though there are people who might not like the brand, its well known.
KRS-One: it can be improved
KRS-One: try starting up a compnay with some new name that you just pull out of your ass
BingoBoingo: No, K-mart has been doomed since Rosanne took its guns
KRS-One: even shitts companies make sales
KRS-One: *shitty
BitcoinPropagand: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=102333.40
KRS-One: im not saying they are doing well just the fact that iwas a big aquisition and they didnt change the brand
BitcoinPropagand: is he/she always like this?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00087601 = 8.5849 BTC [-]
ozbot: Here's where I spew my accusations against MPOE. All are welcome.
BingoBoingo: BitcoinPropagand: That thread is an excellent exercise in separating soil from shit.
BitcoinPropagand: idk i'm just a tourist
BingoBoingo: BitcoinPropagand: No, that's my line.
the20year1: taking guns from retailers in teh US always has a negative effect on business. Men hate to shop, by selling guns they bring in men
Bugpowdurr: Goat needs to get his Lambo repo'ed and hauled off to jail.
BingoBoingo: BitcoinPropagand: Take some time and read. Everyone expects everyone else to try for six months on the reading anyways.
BitcoinPropagand: i just did it
BingoBoingo: The full six months?
BingoBoingo: How many BTC for your time machine?
BitcoinPropagand: read
KRS-One: ozbot just give my my bait
KRS-One: .bait
ozbot: http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8ga3op0ir1rs2jpso1_1280.jpg
ThickAsThieves: i thought that butt was gold for a second
pankkake: gold butts are only for bitcoin conferences
pankkake: when's the altcoin conference?
pankkake: and altcoin foundation
Vexual: know any cool catacomb clubs?
BingoBoingo: Vexual: Maybe if you offer evidence of not being a cop.
mircea_popescu: Bugpowdurr whats your story with goat ?
mircea_popescu: pankkake you should prolly be doing the altcoin conference.
pankkake: last time I presented something in public, no one understood what my project was
Vexual: perfect
nubbins`: that's because you're not supposed to take your cock out on the bus ;(
mircea_popescu: pankkake now you see my wisdom.
pankkake: not really
mircea_popescu: "He had a 4.0 GPA in English (and English fluency-required) classes throughout high school and college" < lol
mircea_popescu: pankkake nobody understands wtf atc is also.
benkay: goat on the forum today
benkay: re mpex
benkay: "sooner or later greater fools will run out of money"
benkay: s/money/btc
mircea_popescu: lol ok.
mircea_popescu: amusingly, he's been derping this since 2011
mircea_popescu: in the interval, he ran out of "investor's" money 3x
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.11403333 = 0.6842 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12820 @ 0.0008765 = 11.2367 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: here's something to consider : ancient china had FOUR beauties. that's it. four.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the us has had four "major" singer-songwriter chicks this week
Mats_cd03: beauties?
mircea_popescu: and bitcoin has had at least fourty-four greatest businesses last half hour.
mircea_popescu: in any field oif "business" one might be interested.
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 ya. beauties.
pankkake: I'd think it's mostly because information flows faster. and there's almost unlimited bandwidth
pankkake: more crap now!
Mats_cd03: what do you mean beauties
the20year1: greatest businesses?
mircea_popescu: and because since they're all ugly and stupid, how are you to even distinguish.
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 the plural of the noun beauty. like a beauty, two beauties.
mircea_popescu: the20year yes. like these dorks https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=465334.msg5143475#msg5143475
asciilifeform: the four uglies. one entices rocks to float. one enwings bricks. one puts out the sun, who refuses to illuminate her face. one wilts flowers.
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: "turns rocks to turds"
asciilifeform: amazing! rock converter.
Vexual: is she a volcano?
mircea_popescu: judging by the hydrogen sulfide...
asciilifeform: Vexual: nah, merely an anti-Midas.
Vexual: can't smell it, just lit my philospohy pipe
Bugpowdurr: <mircea_popescu> in the interval, he ran out of "investor's" money 3x Nothing personal. Just one of the scammers that hasn't been shut down yet.
mircea_popescu: he has, tho.
mircea_popescu: it's just... he has not much better to do with his time anyway, so he keeps coming back.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: So far the altcoin trading isn't going bad.
mircea_popescu: cool.
Bugpowdurr: I really do want some ATC.
BingoBoingo: Bugpowdurr: Buy at market on x-btc
Bugpowdurr: I think it could really appreciate in value and I could flip it for 10x
BingoBoingo: Sorry x-bt
Bugpowdurr: given the trajectory
mircea_popescu: what value ? and why would it appreciate in price anyway ?
Bugpowdurr: Can one deposit to ATC
mircea_popescu: sure.
BingoBoingo: Bugpowdurr: x-bt.com is the least scammy ATC exchange.
Bugpowdurr: Collective delusions cause price increases all the tim.
BingoBoingo: Bugpowdurr: Buy all of my asks
Bugpowdurr: What makes ATC any different from 10s of 'mining stocks' or other alt coins? Nothing essential
Vexual: its the only altcoin and it has a philosophy club
BingoBoingo: Bugpowdurr: Because defining is has continued longer than any meme has in history.
Bugpowdurr: It has at its core, the same driver of price as any other one of these.
Bugpowdurr: doge is the biggest winner in that fiedl
mircea_popescu: doge is in a mudslide all of its own.
mircea_popescu: no fields.
nubbins`: ooh, 'fi' looks gross in this font
Bugpowdurr: The enthusiasm level on the street is palpable.
KRS-One: Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCCkDQ6gbg4
Bugpowdurr: You might not see it over in RO, but in Santa Monica meet up, people were pumped about doge.
Bugpowdurr: PRE price runup
mircea_popescu: lmao.
mircea_popescu: what runup, afair it was going down
mircea_popescu: anyway, the reason i put zero stock in whatever the us folk get "pumped up" about is because that's what they do for the sake of doing it. they have nothing to talk about so they tell each other how excited they are about random, unremarkable stuff.
BingoBoingo: Doge just had a halving didn't it and it still trades below ATC?
ThickAsThieves: Doge is basically the social media of altcoins
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo doge basically runs a dump and dillute, to extract five bux a head from the starbucks crowd in santa monica
ThickAsThieves: a fukn scourge
mircea_popescu: in this sense it makes zero difference to count "halvings" and whatnot
mircea_popescu: they just change the pow whenever to inflate it all away.
BitcoinPropagand: my favourite altcoin: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=458860.0
mircea_popescu: and honestly, if i wanted fiddy grand out of a bunch of cali retards a) i wouldn't spend 80 grand to get it and b) i wouldn't bother this many people with the nonsense.
mircea_popescu: but then again that's me.
ThickAsThieves: Altcoin is worth more than AKC
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And thousands of penny stocks have done that before. It is why wops that don't read are doomed to repeat history, because Ponzi was a fucking Guinea.
Bugpowdurr: It went from 25 to 290 satoshi... I had 20M I bought low and sold at 50 to rebuy on a dip. Felt like I had been unfaithful and was punished.
ThickAsThieves: BitcoinPropagand -> www.therealaltcoin.org
Bugpowdurr: Case in point - Tweeter
Bugpowdurr: TWTRQ
mircea_popescu: yes dood, and some twerps made a "brand" out of some youtube video.
mircea_popescu: the word is epiphenomena.
Bugpowdurr: I respect the position of not wanting to participate in epiphenomena, but this attitude is exactly the same as what Joe Phil Morgan types use to talk themselves out of making bitcoin investments. Or Tren Griffin into thinking that alt-coins are where its really at.
mircea_popescu: no argument.
BitcoinPropagand: ThickAsThieves there's a exchange for that?
mircea_popescu: i was entirely at risk of missing bitcoin entirely, if it weren't for all teh people screaming at me,
BingoBoingo: BitcoinPropagand: x-bt.com
mircea_popescu: so it's a street not a fence.
ThickAsThieves: ^
Vexual: BingoBoingo, did you buy some half decent vodka for your birthday?
BitcoinPropagand: looks interesting this is yours?
BingoBoingo: Vexual: No. I made a point to get the cheapest.
mircea_popescu: and with that i bid you all a very good time and you can call me asleep.
BingoBoingo: BitcoinPropagand: It is Apocalyptic's exchange
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 320 @ 0.00297498 = 0.952 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/02/police-arrest-a-woman-for-failing-to-return-9-year-overdue-j-lo-vhs/
ozbot: Police arrest a woman for failing to return 9-year-overdue J-Lo VHS | Ars Technica
Vexual: shes luck it wasn't my j-lo tape
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dly6p4Fu5TE&feature=kp
ozbot: Jennifer Lopez - Jenny from the Block - YouTube
BingoBoingo: Vexual: You know what would be nice?
Vexual: whats that friend?
BitcoinPropagand: a billion dollars
BitcoinPropagand: gtg too
BitcoinPropagand: my twitter: btcpropaganda
BitcoinPropagand: nice to meet u guys
Vexual: link tat propa
BitcoinPropagand: lol https://twitter.com/btcpropaganda
BitcoinPropagand: bye
BingoBoingo: Vexual: Imagine Niki Minaj's ass adapted to J-Lo's frame
Duffer1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_66jPJVS4JE
ozbot: Jennifer Lopez - Waiting For Tonight - YouTube
KRS-One: j-lo boooooty
KRS-One: .bait
ozbot: http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8ga3op0ir1rs2jpso1_1280.jpg
KRS-One: .bait
ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbza4usTFL1ra0n5co1_500.jpg
KRS-One: Mmmm nicew
Vexual: how u do that?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9699 @ 0.00087647 = 8.5009 BTC [-]
KRS-One: eh
MisterE: morning guys
Vexual: -booty
MisterE: I'm starting to think this Manu Sporny fellow is quite the tool
KRS-One: type: .bait
MisterE: from his twittwe
MisterE: and turn on inline images
MisterE: Twitter*
MisterE: .bait
ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_madfh1X9GG1qap4tbo1_1280.jpg
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kGvlESGvbs
ozbot: Jennifer Lopez - Love Don't Cost a Thing - YouTube
Duffer1: oh nice i totally forgot about that one
Jere_Jones: In a currency pair, one of them is called the "Base Currency". WTF is the other side of the currency pair called? Does it even *have* a name?
Vexual: other
Jere_Jones: Seriously?
Vexual: u new?
Jere_Jones: I have not the knowledge of someone experienced and often ask stupid questions.
Jere_Jones: I have been encouraged to do so. :)
BingoBoingo: Discuss https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/435267161267773440
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 105 @ 0.00290432 = 0.305 BTC [-] {2}
Vexual: Jere_Jones, have some cake and finish your blog later
BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: Ask your question better.
Jere_Jones: I don't blog
Vexual: context?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2850 @ 0.0008765 = 2.498 BTC [+]
Jere_Jones: "There are two hard problems in computer science". The second problem.
Jere_Jones: BingoBoingo Vexual's answer was surprising but it was a good enough answer for my purposes.
Vexual: i just repeated what you said
BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: Maybe blogging is your answer
cads: what the fuck
cads: martingales are really simple
BingoBoingo: cads: martingales suck.
cads: they seem surreal
BingoBoingo: What works better than martingale is full orderbook comination with a wide bid-ask spread
pankkake: lol
BingoBoingo: Or betting on sporting events with certain outcomes against brain damaged handicappers.\
BingoBoingo: Right now Olympic hockey is quite the honeyhole
cads: I'm not sure how martingales relate to trading strategies yet, I'm talking about martingale measures in the mathematical probability
cads: I'm trying to build up to stochastic integrals
BingoBoingo: cads: The problem is the problem you identified is too broken to solve.
BingoBoingo: Stochiastic shit works in chemistry when mistakes == death from poison gas.
BingoBoingo: In BTC/(rando alternative) idiots happen though.
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE3_6CUMpYY
ozbot: D'Angelo - Untitled [How Does It Feel] - YouTube
BingoBoingo: If you want to plate the hood and trunklid of your car in rhodium sulfate idiots generally won't interfere.
BingoBoingo: If however you try to make some sort of market trade... Idiots emerge to gum the gears of efficiency
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y4K0J3fPmw
ozbot: Cody ChesnuTT - Look Good In Leather - YouTube
BingoBoingo: Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gs-jpA97Wyw
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rDWEMZG0lE
ozbot: The Roots _The Seed HD+lyrics. - YouTube
Jere_Jones: AHA! "Quote Currency"
KRS-One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O20Sljxmy9M
ozbot: Quincy Jones - The Streetbeater aka Sanford & Son Theme - YouTube
cads: BingoBoingo: idiot percolation theory :)
cads: like holes in a semiconductor
BingoBoingo: cads: Not quite percolation
cads: regulation of idiot flows with subtle currents
cads: :D
cads: BingoBoingo: indeed, a lot less predictable
Mats_cd03: dongs basically
Vexual: fuck thats funky
BingoBoingo: 12 minutes left in my birthday. WHo wants to level up some cunts 1LvCuntsJyFFQsLuJhBXBPokbQa7SAyMr4
Vexual: you conna spend it on dimitri?
BingoBoingo: Proceeds go to the keep me out of jail for this disorderly conduct charge fund.
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl83mI69nX4
ozbot: Lupe Fiasco - Kick Push (Video) (Album Version) - YouTube
Vexual: do your month
BingoBoingo: They see me rollin' They hat'in but they don't cat me ridin BTC.
BingoBoingo: Every month they delay. My defense gets funded, and the prosecution gets sequestered.
BingoBoingo: But shit is the way BTC works.
BingoBoingo: St Clair County had its chance to catch me with my pants down like a fairy, but nao...
BingoBoingo: Imma bigger than them.
KRS-One: You have a right to a speedy trial.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3548 @ 0.00087669 = 3.1105 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: KRS-One: Maybe I want a slow sensual trial, because BTC puts me at an advantage?
BingoBoingo: At the start of the ordeal I had a lawyer.
KRS-One: "I know my rights! I'm entitled to a phone call and a strip search!"
KRS-One: I dig, then stroke the courts.
BingoBoingo: Nao I have a lawyer acting as a paralegal and two appelate court barred lawyers as a safety net.
BingoBoingo: If this shit doesn't get dismissed my warchest is aimed at defending my position that disorderly conduct is a moral fucking imperative.
KRS-One: ya thats some shit
BingoBoingo: Advice neither good nor attrocious http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/02/how-to-run-your-own-e-mail-server-with-your-own-domain-part-1/
BingoBoingo: moiety: Trade some ATC, because birthday.
moiety: happy monday
moiety: it's your birthday today?
moiety: :D happy birthday *hugs* as in sunday or monday
BingoBoingo: moiety: For another 4o minutes
moiety: kk, have you had a good birthday?
BingoBoingo: Actually 5 hours and 40 minutes
moiety: yay heaps of time
BingoBoingo: moiety: A great one. I had delicious beef tongue for dinner.
moiety: oh my mum really likes that
BingoBoingo: Honestly when roasted it is the best tasting part.
BingoBoingo: Much flavor
moiety: bit creepy when you find it in the fridge aged 7 or w/e
Bugpowder: @pmarca is going off on bitcoin right now.
BingoBoingo: moiety: Maybe?
BingoBoingo: Maybe the parents in that scenario were bad.
moiety: lol no just me being easily creeped i reckon
moiety: anyways, did you family today
BingoBoingo: Yeah.
BingoBoingo: Saw the brother and his heifer's awesome dog.
BingoBoingo: Dog ate so many carrots.
moiety: and his heifer lol
moiety: mum's dog liked tomatoes
BingoBoingo: Brother's wife is kinda thick with it.
moiety: fuck you ars, they just run artcile today http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/02/how-to-run-your-own-e-mail-server-with-your-own-domain-part-1/
moiety: too late!
BingoBoingo: Before the wedding I offered counsel against that, but.
BingoBoingo: moiety: What's the probem?
moiety: if your brother is happy, that's the main thing
moiety: my pi is now a server for my email and a page! :D *beams*
BingoBoingo: How did you fit that all in your pie?
moiety: with help
moiety: http://ely.ag/ look!
BingoBoingo: moiety: Is this a sign you are abandoning node.js based trash?
moiety: no this is my page
moiety: like just me
moiety: BUT look how cool my email is gayle@ely.ag
moiety: fucking so pleased there are no words
pankkake: :)
moiety: i think i will use moderncuriosity for my business plan
moiety: hi pankkake :D
Jere_Jones: http://www.secureworks.com/assets/pdf-store/white-papers/wp-enterprise-best-practices-for-cryptocurrency-adoption.pdf
BingoBoingo: moiety: What is your newest plan?
moiety: its meant to have a picture of rome come up too but that wont work
moiety: BingoBoingo: i'm honing the stamping plan
moiety: i was thinking, even with 100 orders in one day, still doable, they don't take long to complete each item
BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: The dell logo makes me want to not read. Give me a reason to continue.
pankkake: moiety: replace "scr" by "src" in the img tag ;)
moiety: how do you know that pankkake
BingoBoingo: O, replace scrote with source.
Jere_Jones: There's nothing of surprise in there except under the "Best Practices For Exchanges" section.
pankkake: because view source
moiety: oh!
BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: Read, article is only 3 years behind.
moiety: omg omg omg ok go again!
moiety: editing via ssh too you know :D
BingoBoingo: moiety: Too much vatican, not anough Rome
Jere_Jones: BIP70 is only 6 months old.
BingoBoingo: BIP 70 is also mistake
moiety: BingoBoingo: first one was better.. will swap to that one
Jere_Jones: Can you elaborate?
BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: I will give you time to read and correct yourself. I'm kinda drunk.
moiety: so am i! lol ok my pic works now
moiety: favoured pic*
BingoBoingo: Better
BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xRXiwqHLUY
ozbot: Fuck U Betta (Live) - Neon Hitch - YouTube
moiety: even added my key :D
BingoBoingo: She can fuck you good, but I can fuck you betta.
BingoBoingo: moiety: Add a blog to it.
BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj7jSnOxOck
ozbot: Gym Class Heroes feat. Neon Hitch - Ass Back Home (Live on Today 02-03-2012) [HD 1080p] - YouTube
Jere_Jones: Attempt #1 and correcting myself: BIP70 is evil because it, without encryption, would be vulnerable to MITM attacks. BIP70 specifies usage of a central authority for verification of the public keys encrypting/signing the request. That puts control/power in the exact hands that Bitcoin, as a philosophy, is trying to remove it from. A payment request protected by a WoT key would be less
Jere_Jones: objectionable.
moiety: i haven't heard these folk BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: ALmost there.
moiety: and i don't think a blog would work with me. i'm the only one interestedin what i have to say lolol
BingoBoingo: moiety: The redhead is a scott
BingoBoingo: moiety: No one seriously blogs for other people other than incidentally
moiety: she looks it in the face
BingoBoingo: A blog is simply the part of the notebook you feel is safe in public
pankkake: I like to read my won blog
pankkake: own*. and I never had more than 20 readers at a time. and yet, I wouldn't regret it at all
pankkake: I mean regular readers
pankkake: even met some, so.
BingoBoingo: I've had 35K readers in one day...
moiety: was that the slashdot day
pankkake: not regular readers
BingoBoingo: Yeah
BingoBoingo: Neglecting the blog for a week I can't drop lower than 30 a day
pankkake: how, now FeedBurner only reports 7 subscribers :/ I've sunk a lot
pankkake: wow*
pankkake: but I have 75 on another place. so. :)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: fat lot of good 'subscribers' do.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well the only ones I care about read the niggers.txt
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i've ~1k 'subscribers', 997 are silent or, far worse, detectably stupid
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I've seen that on your blog.
BingoBoingo: You have so many clojure fags
BingoBoingo: Imagining you are on their side
moiety: asciilifeform: i has a page! https://ely.ag go see go see! AND hosted on my own server! AND look at my email address! AND also home-hosted *beams*
BingoBoingo: moiety: Skip the flash
Jere_Jones: BingoBoingo The rest would be that BIP70 is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist and thus completely unnecessary?
BingoBoingo: moiety: Only use parts of HTML 5 that are contextual.
moiety: oh aye i abandoned the flash page bingo, i got flash block myself lol
BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: Read moar. You seem to underestimate my hatorade.
BingoBoingo: moiety: I mean flash as in styling term.
asciilifeform: moiety: have some medieval strange. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2014#509702 and below.☝︎
asciilifeform: (translation mine)
moiety: is this my reward?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7326 @ 0.00087647 = 6.421 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That alost mtouches into the earlier half country stuff.
BingoBoingo: But... Terps are Big 10 nao
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ?
asciilifeform: what's a halfcountry
BingoBoingo: Romania versus hungary, Canada versus US. Half countries dominate -assets
asciilifeform: nothing 'half' about vlad tepes's kingdom.
asciilifeform: hard to cut myth from reality though.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: And that is why S.Time would make BTC so much better.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2014#509816 ☝︎
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: What about a rewrite without the dracula name? Consider the mess between Caligula and the well hung Assirians of the old testament.
asciilifeform: historic dracula
BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0Zb8G8rE1g
asciilifeform: not the 19th c. fictional personage.
asciilifeform: 'son of dragon.'
BingoBoingo: I'm a brain damaged 'Murican
ozbot: Neon Hitch - Fuck U Betta [Explicit Version] - YouTube
BingoBoingo: Oh, Bruce Lee
asciilifeform: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad_tepes
ozbot: Vlad the Impaler - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
moiety: proper drakula
BingoBoingo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yersinia_pestis A real dragonborn
ozbot: Yersinia pestis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
BingoBoingo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ross_(Cherokee_chief)
BingoBoingo: 'Murica used to be such an easy target.
ozbot: John Ross (Cherokee chief) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
BingoBoingo: ;;ident BingoBoingo
gribble: Nick 'BingoBoingo', with hostmask 'BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo', is identified as user 'BingoBoingo', with GPG key id 309BB8D7F3251143, key fingerprint ADD7A9A28F85E5EF1F51904F309BB8D7F3251143, and bitcoin address None
BingoBoingo: truffles, Namworld, nubbins' You have until the 28th of February to take this chess tournament to tiebreakers or I am withdrawing my pledge to the pot.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 200 @ 0.0005101 = 0.102 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: deanclkclk: How goes your "exchange"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 4680 @ 0.00051 = 2.3868 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: KRS-One: You still online?
moiety: kickstarter been hacked??
BingoBoingo: moiety: Old ns
BingoBoingo: http://www.dumbingofage.com/2014/comic/book-4/01-the-only-dope-for-me-is-you/weeenus/
ozbot: Dumbing of Age - Weenus
BingoBoingo: http://www.shortpacked.com/
ozbot: Shortpacked by David Willis
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 925 @ 0.00087647 = 0.8107 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9780 @ 0.00087727 = 8.5797 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Jacqueline was seventeen, Working on a desk, When I peered above a spectacle. 0.01 BTC to fucker who names the song, cause it is always better on holliday,
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1125 @ 0.00087501 = 0.9844 BTC [-]
Jere_Jones: Damn you BingoBoingo. My search for what is wrong with BIP70 has led me to way too much good stuff to read. I have code to write damnit!
BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: All code is worthless without good implementations.
BingoBoingo: Don't AMir this shit.
Jere_Jones: "AMir"?
BingoBoingo: Taaki, nigga
BingoBoingo: Don't do him
BingoBoingo: Do shit right or GTFO
BingoBoingo: Unless tits, in that case show them and GTFO
BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: Who do you work for anyways who would have you write code for Bitcoin purposes without knowing this shit?
Jere_Jones: I don't work for anyone that has me write bitcoin code.
Jere_Jones: I write bitcoin code because I want to. Or, at least, I will.
BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: To do something as idiotic as take BIP 70 seriously you must have some dark master. I merely would like an introduction.
Jere_Jones: I didn't say I took it seriously. I only said it was 6 months old when you said that dell doc was 3 years out of date.
BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: I am just saying. I had my 28th birthday, and too little to show for it.
Jere_Jones: Shit man. On my 28th birthday, I was still in the Navy and had not yet met my wife-to-be. 28 is young as fuck.
BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: BTC is a thing though. I feel like a poor as hoobajew
Jere_Jones: In 10 days I will have my 39th birthday. In my 39 years I have learned that I am damn good at writing code. Yet, I haven't created anything that is worthwhile in a "greater scheme of things" sense.
Jere_Jones: I don't want to hit my 44th birthday and have that statement still ring true.
BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: Have you tried amphetamines?
BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: You seem to be seriously behind
Jere_Jones: Probably. But being behind is not going to get me to give up.
BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: You need to kick your own ass and learn to lisp
Jere_Jones: <insert joke about a speech impediment>
Jere_Jones: Unless "lisp" was a typo and didn't actually refer to the language.
BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: How you read it is your choice
Jere_Jones: Then I choose to say "huh?" and ask for clarification.
Jere_Jones: Not on the first part. I understood that.
BingoBoingo: Jere_Jones: ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((())))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
BingoBoingo: Those are weapons of a moar elegant age.
BingoBoingo: Come on dance with me Micheal
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.0008778 = 12.2892 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00087871 = 16.1683 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: I am afro man, Running through the forest with the Ku Klux Klan
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07103799 = 1.0656 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00088009 = 5.8966 BTC [+] {2}
moiety: i think steve needs a new client or soemthing
BingoBoingo: Does anyone in -assets have a line to paul graham
BingoBoingo: benkay I know you mention people being too stupid for that
BingoBoingo: I am ready to whore myself out cheap for one honest business (the rest of them don't need whores)
BingoBoingo: 100 BTC can keep my attention for one year.
mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones the pair is formed out of the base and the counter.
moiety: to do what bingo?
mircea_popescu: o look it's a moiety.
moiety: mircea! how's you? i has a page naos! http://ely.ag/
moiety: not excited or anything
mircea_popescu: god forbid you be excited, this is puritania, all excitement is punished by nipple excision
mircea_popescu: or incision
mircea_popescu: or w/e.
mircea_popescu: haha nice page.
mircea_popescu: has everything it needs to have, gpg key, email, etc.
mircea_popescu: lol cads discovering martingales. cute.
mircea_popescu: "hey guise! beer! w00t!"
moiety: look at me, i'm growing! i think bingo may have passed out
mircea_popescu: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/02/15/bitcoins-largest-exchange-is-dying-heres-why-thats-not-a-problem-for-bitcoin/
ozbot: Bitcoin’s largest exchange is dying. Here’s why that’s not a problem for Bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: check out tim lee changing his mind.
BingoBoingo: I am so full of hate.
mircea_popescu: wha happened ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: High School fucks want favors out of my sweet nothing.
mircea_popescu: so fuck them.
BingoBoingo: Oh, too late ofr that.
mircea_popescu: never too late.
moiety: all this energy could be better spent elsewhere
BingoBoingo: Maybe for them. I remember though the time I tried to buy coke and got gyp'd into ketamine.
moiety: like turning me into a chess grandmaster or something
BingoBoingo: In 2009
BingoBoingo: moiety: That would ne cleaner that me collecting from all my nigs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07349999 = 0.147 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: pankkake: how, now FeedBurner only reports 7 subscribers :/ I've sunk a lot << see that's why i prefer talking to max keiser. he has a lot of subscribers. this makes a difference. /sarcasm
BingoBoingo: Fuck, 7 is a lot of subscribers?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00087567 = 12.6096 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: (The hatorade builds)
mircea_popescu: "Jere_Jones:BingoBoingo The rest would be that BIP70 is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist and thus completely unnecessary?" lol checxk him out, at this rate by the end of the year he's rewriting trilema :D
moiety: if i ever blog, will you guys subscribe so i don't feel bad?!
mircea_popescu: nope.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: On BIP 70 he doesn't make it that far
mircea_popescu: well maybe if tits.
mircea_popescu: what's in a subscription.
BingoBoingo: moiety: I'll sunscribe if you say something good.
mircea_popescu: maybe someone'll serbscribe...
moiety: supscript, i just say hi daily
mircea_popescu: lol
BingoBoingo: BE aware. As much anger as I have, there are moar people I'd like to kill than subscribe to.
mircea_popescu: so you;d subscribe to their funeral ?
BingoBoingo: Yeah.
mircea_popescu: best oration ever. "Dear people, I am here because I really wanted this fucker dead, and now he is."
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That is pretty much my legal defense.
BingoBoingo: For that nasty disorderly conduct charge.
mircea_popescu: sounds like it'd go over better in a las vegas strip club than in a chicago court.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Who said chicago. This goes to cour in East St Louis.
BingoBoingo: Because Niggers.txt.
BingoBoingo: I like some dark chocolate pussy, but not at the cost of my freedom.
mircea_popescu: you know he has a point. 28 is young as fuck, and i don't even comprehend wtf this notion is that twennysomethings should have like careers and moneyz and womenz and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: live a little.
mircea_popescu: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/02/16/republicans-obama-is-violating-constitution-but-little-can-do/
mircea_popescu: republicans : "nine out of ten participants to a gangbang really enjoy the experience"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Shhhh...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.072 = 0.144 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: I miss occupy WTF, because that was some easy tang.
BingoBoingo: BTC is a thing that exists nao though.
BingoBoingo: Dun dun dun dun. Stupid fucking mongoloids.
mircea_popescu: so am i the only one for whom the https://bitcoinaverage.com/ site simply loads nothing ?
mircea_popescu: dumbass bootstrap javascript etc.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That side loads a full Usagi for me
mircea_popescu: prolly attempts to load some blocked script and fails to degrade.
BingoBoingo: Shit\
BingoBoingo: I dumped a bunch of cigs on my lap
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13550 @ 0.00088021 = 11.9268 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: I howeveer an still willing to coach Paul Graham and be his Nick Saban for 100 BTC/year
moiety: works ok for me
BingoBoingo: moiety: Maybe harass him a bit with your vagina?
moiety: lol harass who and why?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo eh you're coming on too strong, and to the wrong people.
BingoBoingo: I want those assholes to learn to learn
mircea_popescu: paul graham is dead, or at any rate old enough he might as well be.
mircea_popescu: find some unheard of upstart.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I think too stong to the right people.
moiety: i'm not even sure how one harrasses with on'es vagina to begin with
mircea_popescu: for anyone into celebration : Tue, 13 May 2014 16:53:20 GMT will be unixtime 1400000000
mircea_popescu: that aside, we doing anything for 1600000000 ?
BingoBoingo: Mircea No big BTC hollidays untile next year
mircea_popescu: (which, incidentally, aslo falls on a 13)
BingoBoingo: Any niggas here know a winkelvii?
mircea_popescu: https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/t1/1011280_3925436269695_899022348_n.jpg
BingoBoingo: I can't pull that... again
moiety: you know you get virtual assistants? do you think bitcoin secretaries would be of any use?
BingoBoingo: moiety: Move to Timisoara already
mircea_popescu: bitcoin secretaries would be of plenty of use, if they're very good at what they do.
moiety: where is that and why do i know that name
mircea_popescu: and they don't end up working for george.
moiety: and who is george
BingoBoingo: George is the otheer nigga in timisoara
mircea_popescu: moiety http://www.seinology.com/scripts/script-95.shtml grep fro "feasible"
mircea_popescu: im sorry, doable not feasible
mircea_popescu: forgot for a moment this show was intended for a us audience
mircea_popescu: must use dblplusgood speaks and stuff.
BingoBoingo: I hold out for Paul graham for one reason.
BingoBoingo: niggers.txt.
moiety: aha! seinfield. I keep meaning to watch it, so many people reference it
BingoBoingo: Some dude though wanted me+him to be the StL BTC meetup.
BingoBoingo: Told him to fuck off.
BingoBoingo: Nao he works for Bitpay.
moiety: lol harsh
BingoBoingo: Told him an hour ago to fuck off harder
BingoBoingo: moiety: This is how business happens though
BingoBoingo: Especially since Charlie SHrem was Bitpay's BTC Jesus too.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 12000 @ 0.0002 = 2.4 BTC [+]
moiety: lets get drunk today, seems the best road for monday
BingoBoingo: Nevar has anyone in the history of wealth held so little and done so much.
BingoBoingo: 'Cauuse Plato was wrong, nigga
moiety: what happened to shrem?
BingoBoingo: moiety: He owned a bong in 'Murica?
moiety: found Timisoara, i know it from here. that's where you live mircea, right?
BingoBoingo: This is prolly still true http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=54
BingoBoingo: moiety: That isn't where he lives, That is where he thrives.
moiety: wiki has a lovely picture of the square at night in winter
moiety: why can't we have leds all year round
moiety: youre very very drunk huh bingo
BingoBoingo: moiety: If you think this is very drunk, I dun want to know what you imagine sober is
BingoBoingo: moiety: Even if there is worse, I swear I am not the worst.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00087499 = 8.9249 BTC [-] {2}
moiety: sober is when you don't talk to me
moiety: smahed is when you end up in court
moiety: smashed
moiety: i think we are in between just now :P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00088027 = 21.3025 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Moiety ther is plenty of room to refine that spectrum
moiety: lol
BingoBoingo: Smashed is what I still defend in court, for justice.
moiety: february is next bit isnt it
BingoBoingo: Smashed is what I still defend in court, for justice. Moiety it is a bit too late your you
moiety: understandation incomplete. please try again?
BingoBoingo: Suppose again?
moiety: whats too late forme?
moiety: im a lost cause in general, i thought we clarified that
BingoBoingo: moiety: I am loster
moiety: you feel more lost than you are BingoBoingo. i just think youre looking for something.
moiety: http://www.cairnomohr.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Scottish-Strawberry-Wine.jpg i found this however gorgeous
BingoBoingo: moiety: Of course I am lost, I am 'Murican
BingoBoingo: You have been trying for a niche too long. Do you want an expert or not; challenge posed t Mr Graham
moiety: did you just say that to him?
BingoBoingo: moiety: TO Graham, yes
moiety: you are one of the more enlightened 'muricans though bingo
BingoBoingo: moiety: I know
BingoBoingo: And people who ignore that will pain
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00088058 = 9.9946 BTC [+] {3}
moiety: this is why you need a bitch man, you need someone to sit on your phone in these times to create a line you cant go over
mircea_popescu: mkay, i see moiety has the situation in hand hiar.
moiety: dont leave us!
herbijudlestoids: hullo kids
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: chess?
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: the song is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AogtividIuk
moiety: herbi!
moiety: herbi herbi I've been at my pi again! It now looks after my email AND http://ely.ag/ *beams*
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Not nao when the laptop is a traitor
herbijudlestoids: moiety: got er goin 24/7? https://www.mailpile.is/ is something i heard about yesterday
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: :( ok
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Black or white?
herbijudlestoids: haha are we playing?
herbijudlestoids: heads
herbijudlestoids: ;;coin
gribble: tails
BingoBoingo: Why cause my lappy has the twitch?
herbijudlestoids: i came on just for a game!
BingoBoingo: I coughed on the lappy and nao it is angry
herbijudlestoids: alright, enjoy the song ;)
BingoBoingo: I am so full of hate
BingoBoingo: can't click
BingoBoingo: such pain
moiety: oooh herbi thanks for the mailpile link
moiety: lol i love how bingo's speech becomes more and more dogelike the more and more vodka-filled he is
BingoBoingo: moiety: i NEVER KNEW A dOGE WHO TALKED LIKE ME.
BingoBoingo: Maybe Doge means different things though.
moiety: i dont know anyone that talks like you dear
moiety: thats a good thing
moiety: are yous playing chess?
BingoBoingo: moiety: Mouse ain't working right, so no, night night
moiety: nanight BingoBoingo sleep well, hope you dont feel rough when you get up
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00087554 = 8.2301 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.574999 BTC [+]
moiety: is selling domains on btctalk a hideous idea?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12074 @ 0.00087496 = 10.5643 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2700 @ 0.00087493 = 2.3623 BTC [-]
WillTablet: Hello
cazalla: depends, most people selling domains there are selling utter junk
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.57844999 = 3.4707 BTC [+] {6}
WillTablet: Heh if anyone wants dickfun.com for the rest of its term they can have ir
jurov: https://twitter.com/ConanOBrien/status/435273030927802368 << mircea_popescu
ozbot: Twitter / ConanOBrien: Wow. Strippers get angry if ...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.58400221 = 6.424 BTC [+]
moiety: -strippers get angry if... they aren't spray painted gold first
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.58400221 = 1.168 BTC [+]
moiety: hey, steve, please turn off your laptop!
moiety: or not
moiety: cazalla: mine is a bitcoin domain, just unsure what to list for
cazalla: moiety: obviously but 99% of them are total shit
moiety: yeah ive just been having a look at other listings for reference cazalla i see what you mean
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.19376446 = 1.5501 BTC [+]
Namworld: https://www.mtgox.com/img/pdf/20140217-Announcement.pdf
Namworld: "With this new system in place, MtGox should be able to resume withdrawals
Namworld: soon. At the beginning we will do so at a moderated pace and with new daily/
Namworld: monthly limits in place to prevent any problems with the new system and to take
Namworld: into account current market conditions. "
Namworld: market... conditions... right, whatever that is supposed to mean.
davout: also how is an e-mail telling you someone logged in to your account a security measure
CiPi: Is crap.
CiPi: They lie again.
CiPi: That fat mark liar.
davout: that's just letting you know you're being buttraped faster but doesn't really help...
davout: "hey, someone is currently performing surprise butseks on your account, since they'll probably change your password right away you're fucked nonetheless"
CiPi: I`m glad that i don`t have coins there.
CiPi: I just identified a jew, nkuttler...a big one...
jurov: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 286340 | Current Difficulty: 3.1295731745222874E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 288287 | Next Difficulty In: 1947 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 22 hours, 31 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3607442252.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 15.26946
jurov: oh it did already change again
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3150 @ 0.00087503 = 2.7563 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 43 @ 0.06720002 = 2.8896 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.06437499 = 0.515 BTC [-] {5}
davout: !t m x.eur
assbot: [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00218173 / 0.00218173 / 0.00218173 (450 shares, 0.98 BTC), 7D: 0.00194567 / 0.00201007 / 0.00218173 (3800 shares, 7.64 BTC), 30D: 0.00166114 / 0.00178039 / 0.00218173 (15250 shares, 27.15 BTC)
Willdude123: Are all this bitcoin stocks actually legal?
KRS-One: hah
Willdude123: IKR legal is so 2013
davout: Willdude123: define "legal"
Willdude123: In keeping with financial tax, regulation and investment law
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4000 @ 0.0002375 = 0.95 BTC [+]
random_cat: in what locale?
random_cat: for the buyer or the seller?
davout: Willdude123: "teh law" is something relative to where you live, so unless you specify *which* law it is impossible to go further
davout: bitcoin stocks are perfectly compliant with the laws of gravity
Willdude123: Loads of exchanges tell people not to trade if they're in the US. What laws apply if they are offshore but primarily serving Americans?
davout: Willdude123: i didn't really investigate the subject of the application of american regulations to non-US bitcoin stock exchanges, but it seems the SEC does have an opinion, not that it really matters that much though. you should ask nefario about it, he used to run glbse that allegedly closed down due to some sort of SEC-indeuced legal pressure
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 83 @ 0.0055 = 0.4565 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7904 @ 0.00087503 = 6.9162 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.129 BTC [+]
Namworld: [06:30] <davout> bitcoin stocks are perfectly compliant with the laws of gravity
Namworld: ah
random_cat: *which* laws of gravity? Newton, Einstein, or something newer?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.19376446 = 1.5501 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.12 = 0.96 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: i called it! "With this new system in place, MtGox should be able to resume withdrawals soon. At the beginning we will do so at a moderated pace and with new daily/monthly limits in place to prevent any problems with the new system and to take
ThickAsThieves: into account current market conditions. "
ThickAsThieves: [16:54] <ThickAsThieves> so any predictions what gox will announce?
ThickAsThieves: [16:55] <ThickAsThieves> i'm going with "btc withdrawals are now partially open, so we can monitor the situation"
Willdude123: Hey ThickAsThieves
Willdude123: I was thinking I could learn more programming and do that for BTC
ThickAsThieves: go for it
ThickAsThieves: just dont be a flaky knowitallthatknowslittle programmer
ThickAsThieves: we have enough of those
Willdude123: So someone who's just like ooh programming I can get $$ for this
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.07777002 = 0.3111 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21850 @ 0.00087482 = 19.1148 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25254 @ 0.0008755 = 22.1099 BTC [+] {2}
moiety: any men online just now??
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 400 @ 0.00087467 = 0.3499 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.129 = 0.258 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: yes, men online just now.
moiety: lol sorry realise how that sounded
moiety: ignore me, i had a situation
Willdude123: Men in your area
Willdude123: Looking for fun :P
kakobrekla: men just want to have fun
KRS-One: Woo! Lets party
KRS-One: Who wants to cyber?
KRS-One: .bait
ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/4a52a4e5ccfe25e254cce8995ea87410/tumblr_mooo4un2LE1r6rxajo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: simona halep is now #9 wta! ha!
kakobrekla: ;;google cyndi lauper just want to have fun
gribble: Cyndi Lauper - Girls Just Want To Have Fun - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIb6AZdTr-A>; Girls Just Want to Have Fun - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girls_Just_Want_to_Have_Fun>; Cyndi Lauper – Girls Just Want to Have Fun – Listen and discover ...: <http://www.last.fm/music/Cyndi+Lauper/_/Girls+Just+Want+to+Have+Fun>
mircea_popescu: lol jurov
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 500 @ 0.0002375 = 0.1188 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: whoa simona has big lungs
mircea_popescu: not anymore
mircea_popescu: she used to.
ThickAsThieves: ah
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.571 = 1.713 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07349999 = 0.3675 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.061 = 0.122 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.13 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0735 = 1.47 BTC [+] {2}
moiety: sorry guys, what happened was i went outside and my pet i just buried had been uncovered and was missing, i just didn't know what to do and i got a bit upset. apologies
mircea_popescu: so was it a fox ?
moiety: maybe, or dog or something
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07349999 = 0.735 BTC [-] {2}
moiety: the stuff i had wrapped the pet in was all over thegarden :(
moiety: and im scared to find parts of my pet, you know?
mircea_popescu: sucks ;/
mircea_popescu: why did you bury it shallow ?
moiety: i didn't think it was shallow
moiety: and its a private garden
mircea_popescu: how deep was it ?
moiety: thinking on it, about a foot?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0735 = 0.735 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: that makes no difference, ownership is a people thing not a nature thing.
mircea_popescu: ever heard the "seven feet under" expression ?
ThickAsThieves: sixfeet in US
ThickAsThieves: we even have a TV show
moiety: it was just really hard digging a hole with a spoon on my own, i was a bit upset when i was doing it
mircea_popescu: yes well.
mircea_popescu: didja put anything over it ? like a plank or something ?
Willdude123: ThickAsThieves, can I ask you a question regarding B.MINE and B.SELL?
ThickAsThieves: you should ask the guy who runs it
moiety: yeah, i put wood planks that were outside over her to keep her safe
mircea_popescu: what did you bury ?
moiety: please don't laugh, she meant a lot to me
moiety: hamster
mircea_popescu: it was a cat.
mircea_popescu: cats will dig about a foot
ThickAsThieves: you think?
mircea_popescu: defo.
moiety: i think that makes sense
mircea_popescu: next time get a shovel eh. just because it's a tiny pet doesn't mean it can't get a manly burial.
moiety: there isnt that much of a mess for a dog to have been digging
kakobrekla: well, you did provide some cat a meal, thats a good thing.
moiety: i learned big lesson today mircea_popescu
ThickAsThieves: i'd guess another critter
moiety: i guess kakobrekla i know its all circular, its just a bit upsetting when its right in front of you
ThickAsThieves: like raccoon
mircea_popescu: she's in scotland
moiety: no racoons in scotland!
mircea_popescu: they have raccoons now ?
ThickAsThieves: oh
ThickAsThieves: lol
moiety: :D
moiety: but hey! you stopped me crying lolol
ThickAsThieves: maybe the cat needs a home
Willdude123: ThickAsThieves, is he on here?
ThickAsThieves: will, i dont think so, but he is responsive in his fporum thread
kakobrekla: wtf is this shit now
kakobrekla: supernode changed his name
moiety: im a bit scared to search the garden but i feel i should just in case theres bits i could rebury
kakobrekla: he is now >
kakobrekla: "rpietila, the Vassal of the Mighty Goat"
ThickAsThieves: cats dont leave bits
ThickAsThieves: they transport
mircea_popescu: yeah it probably put the thing's head on a pike somewhere.
ThickAsThieves: it's probablt on the cat owner's steps
kakobrekla: did the chang goat get him or what
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla sort-of old news actually.
kakobrekla: well im out of the loop apparently
moiety: poor wilma :(
ThickAsThieves: nice name
mircea_popescu: why does wilma care whether it's eaten by fungus or mammals ?
moiety: I care. i feel she deerved better
kakobrekla: well, i vouch taht rodents dont care if they are eaten
Willdude123: I wonder if I could somehow time lock my btc. So make it such that I can't touch them for 6 months
moiety: i couldn't bury her for ages you see, I just couldn't do it. so its worse that when i finally managed to bury her, she gets eaten a day later
kakobrekla: Willdude123 there are several ways of doing that
mircea_popescu: Willdude123 yeah. by not touching them for 6 months.
Willdude123: heh
mircea_popescu: moiety ahahaha you're such a twerp.
mircea_popescu: why not ask a day before rather than a day after teh failburial ?
kakobrekla: in some cultures that i didnt bother to remember, they un-bury the dead every few years
kakobrekla: clean the bones up
moiety: i didn't realise it had failed until about 20 minutes agp
kakobrekla: pack it back down.
moiety: ago
mircea_popescu: moiety but it was the first time you did it right ?
mircea_popescu: what made you think you're a qualified undertaker.
moiety: yep
moiety: oh lol not a single thing aside from not having any other option
mircea_popescu: so maybe next time ask the internets before devirginizing.
mircea_popescu: the internets know all.
kakobrekla: Willdude123 its possible to make a tx in such way it will be valid after n time, or just use bitbet.
moiety: yeah I usually am a lot more efficient when not bereaved
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yeah, like in romania.
mircea_popescu: 7 years, wash bones in wine, rebury.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5750 @ 0.00087554 = 5.0344 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla wow that's true... bitbet can lock oyur dough for X time np./
kakobrekla: you know that already.
ThickAsThieves: thats one of the excuses i give myself for betting
kakobrekla: i didnt know romanians do that shit, its retarded.
moiety: only the first 7 mircea_popescu ?
moiety: or every 7?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla well it's done in the east (moldavia), where the retarded romanians live.
mircea_popescu: first 7.
moiety: k, thx
mircea_popescu: i think the next is 42 or 49 or somesuch
ThickAsThieves: however long til the bones are no longer drunk
mircea_popescu: lol
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mircea_popescu: it's actually useful in places where you need to reuse the ground
mircea_popescu: take the bones out, bury someone else.
mircea_popescu: this is practiced extensively, just, you don't know about it.
moiety: you know, there is a park where i usually bury my small pets... im thinking others have probably been uncovered and i just havent seen it...
moiety: mircea_popescu: but don't they go looking ofr the missing (buried) person?
kakobrekla: yes its logical when you need some space, first thing it to come to mind - poke dead people
moiety: for*
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.55 = 2.75 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: moiety who, they ?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla romania is a country with ~20mn people alive and ~150 bn people dead.
ThickAsThieves: romanians leave no witnesses
mircea_popescu: you want the entire country to be a cemetery or something ?
kakobrekla: burn to ashes
kakobrekla: takes less sapce
mircea_popescu: for that matter, visit rome. they have osuaries.
kakobrekla: space
mircea_popescu: how do you think they got THOSE bones ?
kakobrekla: why would you want to look up after rome!?
mircea_popescu: pretty much all xtian monasteries did this.
mircea_popescu: i didn't say you'd want to, just that people do.
moiety: are osuaries those places with the wee slots for peoples remains?
mircea_popescu: ;;google santa maria della concezione dei cappuccini
gribble: Santa Maria della Concezione dei Cappuccini - Wikipedia, the free ...: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Maria_della_Concezione_dei_Cappuccini>; Santa Maria della Concezione Crypts | Atlas Obscura: <http://www.atlasobscura.com/places/santa-maria-della-concezione>; Santa Maria della Concezione - TripAdvisor: <http://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g187791-d246183 (1 more message)
moiety: ty!
kakobrekla: well, italians have issues.
moiety: this reminds me of the place in paris
mircea_popescu: ;;google douaumont
gribble: Douaumont - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douaumont>; Fort Douaumont - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Douaumont>; Douaumont ossuary - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douaumont_ossuary>
kakobrekla: >The construction work for Fort de Douaumont started in 1885 and the fort was continually reinforced until 1913.
kakobrekla: >and due to French unpreparedness, the fort was easily captured by a small German raiding party.
kakobrekla: #win
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: "then it was filled with like 100k skeletons"
moiety: yes! thats the one!
mircea_popescu: moiety douaumont is not in paris, it's at verdun
moiety: it's the catacombs im thinking of
kakobrekla: but but france is in paris
mircea_popescu: and for that matter,
kakobrekla: so it makes it ok!
mircea_popescu: ;;google czermna
gribble: Skull Chapel, Czermna - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_Chapel,_Czermna>; Czermna, Lesser Poland Voivodeship - Wikipedia, the free ...: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czermna,_Lesser_Poland_Voivodeship>; Kaplica Czaszek: The Chapel of Skulls | Atlas Obscura: <http://www.atlasobscura.com/places/kaplica-czazek-chapel-skulls>
moiety: my gosh there is loads of these places
mircea_popescu: toldja.
moiety: quite impressive how neatly they can be stacked
moiety: have any of you ever visited any of them?
mircea_popescu: moiety you sure you weren't thinking of the actual catacombes de paris ?
mircea_popescu: sure.
moiety: i think i was mircea_popescu
moiety: might seem a strange question, but is there a smell to these places? i would imagine there would be
mircea_popescu: not really.
moiety: apparently you can get lost in the catacombes
davout: moiety: yeah, if you ever go there go with someone who knows
moiety: i really want to but i think i would get creeped at the entrance on my own davout! lol
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moiety: so many things to see in this world, i want eyes on legs
mircea_popescu: moiety chained nude somewhere in the depts of it, where nobody ever goes.
mircea_popescu: there, fixed your nightmares for you.
davout: the catacombs in paris aren't really filled with bones and stuff tho, they were originally places where people would get rocks from, don't know the word in english for it
ThickAsThieves: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/02/15/bitcoins-largest-exchange-is-dying-heres-why-thats-not-a-problem-for-bitcoin/ <<< if anyone is in the mood to laugh at current WP commenter ignorance
mircea_popescu: davout quarry ?
davout: mircea_popescu: exactly, ty
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moiety: lolol yep, good job mircea, now im thinking on the person that locks the chains *scared*
davout: so they were originally quarries, and a part of them was used to put bones away when paris cemetaries were getting filled up
moiety: i love that washington post uses wordpress
mircea_popescu: wow, apparently other people had this filled cemeteries problem too!
mircea_popescu: check it out kakobrekla, other countries are like... you know, inhabited
mircea_popescu: with populations and everything.
moiety: lol you have to book your spot here in advance, theres so little space
kakobrekla: sarajevo had the same problem
kakobrekla: anyway the problem is that people dont want to burn bodies to ashes
mircea_popescu: Sarajevo (Cyrillic: Сарајево; pronounced [sǎrajɛʋɔ]) is the capital and largest city of Bosnia and Herzegovina, with an estimated population of 291,422
mircea_popescu: fucking epic.
moiety: i would prefer that to rotting in the ground
kakobrekla: well the problem there was war and they were locked in there
kakobrekla: with lotsa bodies
mircea_popescu: yea
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00087538 = 8.4474 BTC [-]
moiety: it's a real shame there just now too
kakobrekla: yeah
kakobrekla: as someone famous said
kakobrekla: the balkans produce more history than they can consume
mircea_popescu: ha!
mircea_popescu: now that's a good saying.
chetty: http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/02/14/health-department-launches-new-look-for-nyc-branded-condom-larger-kyng-size/
ozbot: Health Department Launches New Look For Branded Condom, Larger Size « CBS New York
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.062 = 0.93 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: why is the Kyng size smaller looking?
ThickAsThieves: and why the Y?
chetty: I was hoping you guys could explain.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 700 @ 0.0002375 = 0.1663 BTC [+]
moiety: is this an extremely poor pr tack??
moiety: as in everything new york gets NYXX treatment. this is a very bad play on that?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 78 @ 0.02467669 = 1.9248 BTC [-] {12}
moiety: either waym they just look like kanyedoms
moiety: who is failcoin on twitter?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 54 @ 0.0055 = 0.297 BTC
moiety: whoops! http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2014/02/08/national/tepco-no-1-plant-readings-probably-too-low/#.UwIjymJ_us9
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57984176 BTC [+]
jurov: sigh, what did the world come to
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.062 = 0.62 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07101101 = 0.3551 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: 'when the king freed [exiled] drakula from the dungeon, he lead him to buda, and gifted to him a house in pest, opposite buda, but to his court not yet permitted him. and then it happened that some fleeing rogue ran into drakula's manor and took refuge there. the pursuers sought the rogue there and found him. then drakula lept up, snatched his sword, ran from his quarters and beheaded the constable who had caug
asciilifeform: ht the rogue - and released the rogue. the other constables took flight, and, when they came to the judge, spoke to him of this. the judge and his horsemen went to the king with complaint of drakula. the king a messenger to drakula, to ask, 'why have you wrought this evil?' he replies thusly, 'no evil have i wrought, but the constable has slaine himself with his own hand: such shall be the demise of any who, li
asciilifeform: ke a rogue, storms into the home of a great lord. had he come to me and spoke reason, i would have found the rogue in my home and either given him up, or asked for his reprieve.' the king was told of this. and he laughed, and marvelled at drakula's approach.'
jurov: nothing unusual
jurov: hungaruan kings always had problems with local warlords
jurov: *hungarian
jurov: i'd say marvelled is just a bad translation
asciilifeform: try this one on for size then. 'once drakula proclaimed: let it be known throughout all of his lands, that all who are old, or invalid, or diseased, or poor, shall come to him. and so came to him an untold multitude of beggars and vagabonds, awaiting generous alms. he ordered them all brought to a house for this purpose built, and had food and wine brought to them. they feasted amidst great merriment. drakula t
asciilifeform: hen came to them in person, and asked 'what more do you wish?' they answered thusly: 'it is known only to god, lord, and to you: do that which god commands you.' he asked further of them: 'do you wish me to make you happy in this world, wanting for nothing?' they, awaiting from him great generosity, replied in unison, 'yes, we do want, our lord!' and then drakula ordered the house sealed and put to the torch, a
asciilifeform: nd the alms-seekers did burn. and spoke drakula to his nobles thusly, 'do you know why i did this? firstly, let them no more pester people, and let there be no more beggars in my lands, and all shall be wealthy; secondly, i have set them free; let them suffer no more upon this earth from poverty or illness.'
jurov: and then gets invited to buda by king. poor lady bathory should have known better.
jurov: but she decided to slaughter young girls instead
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00087516 = 15.4903 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 305 @ 0.00083781 = 0.2555 BTC [-] {2}
deadweasel: ;;later tell mircea_popescu no no, I just enjoyed their hometown cuisine with sake, nothing more. hometown cuisine is not a euphemism.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
moiety: asciilifeform: i'm going to collect it all together
asciilifeform: moiety: might wanna look for a respectable translation of the whole manuscript.
asciilifeform: i've shat out maybe half, and not especially well.
moiety: i like yours.
asciilifeform: 1486. "Сказание о Дракуле-воеводе." (tale of drakula, the chieftain.)
asciilifeform: (prince? warlord? воевод doesn't translate well.)
asciilifeform: (for the uninitiated: not to be confused with the fictional 19th c. undead fellow.)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 456 @ 0.00023101 = 0.1053 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 30 @ 0.0055 = 0.165 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07349999 = 0.147 BTC [+]
chetty: asciilifeform: воевод = Governor, but big chief or warlord is probably
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15350 @ 0.00087568 = 13.4417 BTC [+]
moiety: chetty: so, drakula the big chief?!
moiety: or if written in Hackney, Guv
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 35 @ 0.07349999 = 2.5725 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.12 = 0.6 BTC [-]
mike_c: i guess people either don't think JD is correct, or are just deliberately giving their money away. this guy is firing off 100 bets per minute. i mean, that is just the astoundingly worst way to bet possible.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13685 @ 0.00087455 = 11.9682 BTC [-] {4}
mike_c: 2000 btc wagered in last few hours, and not surprisingly given how he is betting, he is down 23 btc, almost right on EV.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.06528571 = 0.457 BTC [+] {4}
asciilifeform: chetty: literally, 'he who leads us into battle.' the modern english word 'governor' has rather different connotations.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.067 = 0.134 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: e.g. modern russia fields a ballistic missile titled 'voevod.' can you picture naming a rocket 'governor' ?
ThickAsThieves: Lawsky wants to do an AMA https://twitter.com/BenLawsky/status/435244370510749698
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.123 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.00550239 = 0.1321 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8850 @ 0.00087468 = 7.7409 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 163 @ 0.005497 = 0.896 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 84 @ 0.005497 = 0.4617 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1245 = 0.249 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0709894 = 0.4259 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.541 = 1.082 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 28 @ 0.5378722 = 15.0604 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.53557516 = 6.9625 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.53462825 = 6.4155 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.13 = 1.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 32 @ 0.52354646 = 16.7535 BTC [-] {8}
asciilifeform: and now for something completely different.
asciilifeform: [5760131.063368] bitcoin-msghand[23369]: segfault at 0 ip 000000000048bd21 sp 00007f55d1759800 error 4 in bitcoind[400000+303000]
bones`: no more drakula? I was enjoying that
asciilifeform: third time in the past year or so.
asciilifeform: and always at 0x48bd21, too.
asciilifeform: this being the 'reference client'
asciilifeform: on a 64-bit linux box.
asciilifeform: crash, evidently, is in 'ThreadMessageHandler'
asciilifeform: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/net.cpp
asciilifeform: gentlemen start your engines.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 610 @ 0.0002305 = 0.1406 BTC [-] {5}
ThickAsThieves: i'm too ignorant to know what this means
ThickAsThieves: halp?
mike_c: oh no. that's a lot of globals..
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: it means a potentially-exploitable boojum.
asciilifeform: in the reference client.
asciilifeform: (bitcoind)
asciilifeform: probably naturally-occurring crash, given as the canary coin that lives on that box is still present.
jurov: interesting. i never had such crash, and running it 24/7 too
asciilifeform: also 24/7.
asciilifeform: 3 of these in the past 16 months or so.
mike_c: without having a repo, it doesn't seem hard to crash this if a null node gets in the node vector.
jurov: it is the same address despite there were updates?
jurov: or running some old version?
asciilifeform: only got dumps for the last 2 times,
mike_c: do you have symbols? I bet on this line: if (pnode->fDisconnect)
asciilifeform: version 0.8.6
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.54346587 BTC to 1`921 shares, 80347 satoshi per share
asciilifeform: no symbols.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13554 @ 0.00087358 = 11.8405 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] [PAID] 46.37370840 BTC to 1`921 shares, 2414040 satoshi per share
mike_c: you have the code though, right? you could build symbols and use them to analyze the dump
mike_c: i mean, you know, if you didn't have anything else to do
asciilifeform: haha
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 100 @ 0.00494209 = 0.4942 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.11149999 = 0.7805 BTC [-] {3}
mike_c: i'm not going to look at that code anymore because I will have to renege on everything i said the other day and agree that a new reference build is high priority.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2500 @ 0.00022801 = 0.57 BTC [-] {9}
asciilifeform: if bitcoind were written in common lisp or an equivalent (?) system, i'd be looking at an exact, human-readable and resumable-on-repair (!) halted daemon right now.
asciilifeform: see http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?CommonLispConditionSystem
asciilifeform: (and http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Common_Lisp/Advanced_topics/Condition_System)
mike_c: you can edit-and-continue with some c++ debuggers. it even works 30% of the time.
asciilifeform: haha
asciilifeform: that's like welding a torn hair back together. sure, it's possible...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 45 @ 0.16230094 = 7.3035 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.09500001 = 0.285 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.095 = 1.045 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.16230094 = 1.2984 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.095 = 0.855 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.067 = 0.134 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.0002256 = 0.2256 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.095 = 0.38 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00087424 = 13.6381 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 33 @ 0.16230094 = 5.3559 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 866 @ 0.000225 = 0.1949 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.02421 = 0.1453 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.0634 = 0.951 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.096 = 0.288 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 18 @ 0.062 = 1.116 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.09386249 = 1.1263 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 72 @ 0.16230094 = 11.6857 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 37432 @ 0.00021764 = 8.1467 BTC [-] {16}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 72 @ 0.062 = 4.464 BTC [-]
cads: ahaha
cads: hey asciilifeform, so you were translating those stories from earlier?
asciilifeform: cads: yeah
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.0735 = 1.1025 BTC [+]
cads: Where from? They were pretty good.
cads: It wasn't romanin, was it?
asciilifeform: nope
cads: darn
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2014#511321 ☝︎
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
asciilifeform: (scroll up for 2 more.)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9600 @ 0.00021515 = 2.0654 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 600 @ 0.00020689 = 0.1241 BTC [-] {5}
cads: haha, nice
cads: hey, so you guys think mt gox has earned too many strikes to keep playing?
cads: or has it just fallen into second place
mike_c: goxbux are worth less than 0.5 btc now..
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9827 @ 0.00019425 = 1.9089 BTC [-] {10}
cads: what do you mean, it seems like if you had 300 dollars in a gox account now you could buy coin and jump out
ThickAsThieves: except you cant
cads: oh, right, that's what 'halted withdrawals' means
ThickAsThieves: if you are maybe lucky you can maybe jump out on Thursday
cads: woo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18450 @ 0.00087389 = 16.1233 BTC [-]
cads: this is like a full speed freight train that's been magically teleported 2 miles up into the sky
cads: above a residential area :)
cads: hurling wreckage
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.092 = 0.276 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.0001906 = 1.906 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.064 = 0.384 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0965 = 0.193 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: does anyone here have more than a 'purely zoological' interest in what happens to gox?
asciilifeform: because i sure don't.
mike_c: i think we all do in the same way we had an interest in SR failing. good for btc.
asciilifeform: one chump magnet dies, another takes its place.
asciilifeform: or ten others.
deadweasel: the dodo told everyone it could fly, when in fact it had never even sold a magic card...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.064 = 0.128 BTC [+]
jurov: you think anyone here will admit it has something there?
asciilifeform: i'll extend mp's thesis and conjecture that it died from, rather than in spite, of, the mountain of free advertising in u.s. mouthpiece media 'mtgox, the largest exchange, today, ... etc'
asciilifeform: do herds of chumps bring into existence chumpmeisters, or the other way around?
mike_c: well, it died from incompetence. herds of chumps is the only reason we are talking about them.
jurov: does anyone have a competence growing btc/fiat exchange
jurov: from 0 to 100000 users in few years?
jurov: i guess much better people than karpeles would get burned
asciilifeform: when you get 100,000 users, does satan appear before you and command you to 'take the exchange fractional' ?
jurov: they would still have to deal with banks. and they can be worse than satan.
asciilifeform: hence the question of whether an honest btc/fiat exchange is possible even in principle, without the cooperation of a sovereign.
mike_c: jurov, 0 -> 100k in a few years isn't that hard with appropriate resources (which they had)
mike_c: well, they had monetary resources. not talent resources.
asciilifeform: i think the implication might have been that 100k users turns you into a 'person of interest' for the vultures
asciilifeform: and then 'you can also have problems.'
jurov: dunno if sovereign changes anything. vatican supposedly has banned all electronic money transfers
jurov: *is banned from
wao-ender: is it? v0v, didnt know
jurov: nto even tourists can use ATMs there last time i heard
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.098 = 0.196 BTC [+]
mike_c: second market is legally & reliably exchanging bitcoin. who needs an exchange for HFT quants? nobody.
jurov: what is second market?
mike_c: http://www.bitcointrust.co/
wao-ender: jurov: https://www.secondmarket.com/company/bitcoin-investment-trust
ThickAsThieves: https://www.secondmarket.com/
ThickAsThieves: bleh
ozbot: SecondMarket - Simplified Transactions for Private Companies and Funds.
asciilifeform: mike_c: trololol
mike_c: what? you disagree?
jurov: that does not look like something for retail
mike_c: it's not. $25k minimum.
copumpkin: well
copumpkin: and accredited investor
copumpkin: which is uncommon
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4931 @ 0.00087455 = 4.3124 BTC [+] {2}
copumpkin: also, those fees are ridiculous
mike_c: as opposed to gox's "we keep your bitcoin" fee :)
copumpkin: no, as opposed to buy your own coins and sit on them
jurov: ok, but we were talking about building exchange for 100k chumps
copumpkin: and pay no fees
copumpkin: and also, lots of people have $25k who aren't accredited investors
mike_c: well, i guess i'm saying an exchange defined as "hft enabled" is not necessary. just a place to buy/sell.
asciilifeform: the other crap aside, a service where you do not get to take btc 'home' at the end of the day ought not to be called a btc exchange.
asciilifeform: call it something else.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 13 @ 0.09384531 = 1.22 BTC [+] {6}
mircea_popescu: A bug in Google's Chrome web browser enables malicious websites to activate your microphone and spy on conversations that happen next to your computer, even after you've left the website.
mircea_popescu: o yeah, using a browser made by a search engine was such a brilliant idea.
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: little bug closer to home: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2014#511355 ☝︎
asciilifeform: when using a machine with hardwired cameras/microcrophones/anal probes, always smile and speak very politely.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform voievode, whats wrong with that ?
mircea_popescu: gotta allow at least some of the ingredients' flavour into the finished dish.
asciilifeform: haha
mircea_popescu: mike_c there's always been (since inception) a set of people who believed it is thus exploitable.
mircea_popescu: whether this is like the set who still believes the ufos have landed or moreover like the set that does government's banking is hard to say
mike_c: well, this guy just spent 50 btc looking. he hasn't found it yet :)
asciilifeform: btc can be sent to look for vulns on its own? that's news to me.
asciilifeform: had no idea.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually that'd be duke, dux in the latin space.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: exactly.
asciilifeform: perhaps btc also knows how to bake cakes.
mike_c: spent. with a P.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.0735 = 1.323 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: it is very easy to spend MAXINT coin, dollars, walnuts, etc. with no result.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/435481204867866624 :D
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you got some old/bad libraries. i have a reference running since 2011 that never crashed.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.099 = 0.198 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7855 @ 0.00087531 = 6.8756 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: lol @mike_c . head in sand eh ?
mike_c: buried.
asciilifeform: this is a box devoted to running the 'current' branch.
asciilifeform: with updated libs, etc.
mircea_popescu: cads> or has it just fallen into second place << the "it may continue in 2nd place" was april 2013.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 96 @ 0.00516082 = 0.4954 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.099 = 0.297 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> or ten others. << ten are better than one. like phone numbers.
kakobrekla: as long as its over mininum
mircea_popescu: mike_c> (which they had) << this is arguyable. the thing run in the red for most of its lifetime, and in a dubious field. they always had trouble finding investors, and the investors they did find were mostly of the imbecile sort. if you want i can dig up the trilema discussion re investors and why they suck, but you'll end up with more shit to translate as a result.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3946 @ 0.00087389 = 3.4484 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00510478 = 0.2042 BTC [-] {2}
mike_c: it just doesn't take that much capital to scale to 100k. one good engineer is sufficient given the timeframe.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i never heard of anyone running a current branch of anything that didn't crash.
mircea_popescu: what drakula'd do to the so called "programmers' doing this is left as an exercise to the current voievodes.
mircea_popescu: mike_c yeah, just like linux is sufficient for hijacking nuclear warheads in flight.
asciilifeform: imho gilged stake is too good for these folks.
mircea_popescu: maybe spiked stake.
mircea_popescu: http://www.polythene-sheeting-and-tarpaulins.com/acatalog/5inchbarb.jpg
asciilifeform: by some accounts, spikes (well, splinters) were considered a mercy, and used in extenuating circumstances, while grease on a smooth stake was used in aggravating ones.
asciilifeform: (unfortunately lack the 'citation needed' here)
mircea_popescu: this is possibly true.
asciilifeform: i suggest 'teflon' for the case at hand.
mircea_popescu: while i slept i dreamt about these two womenz having an argument which ended by leaving the other tied to a tree in the wild somewhere with her rectum stretch-filled with fresh mud.
asciilifeform: bonus of easier cleaning
mircea_popescu: the reasoning being that the shit'll dry and that's that.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 50 @ 0.0048923 = 0.2446 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.064 = 0.128 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if i recall, one of danzig baldaev's comics had this exact scene in it.
mircea_popescu: it did ?
asciilifeform: (he is often said to have spiced things up a bit. so take with a grain of salt.)
mircea_popescu: mebbe i should check out this thing then
asciilifeform: https://www.google.com/search?q=danzig+baldaev&source=lnms&tbm=isch
asciilifeform: if anybody has a warez copy of the whole 130+ set, drop it here.
mircea_popescu: da fuck is lnms and isch btw ? google couldn't just put a ?t=pix or some shit like normal people.
mircea_popescu: o no. gotta be isch and derpyderp and etc.
mircea_popescu: o wait this is the camp guard that documented the tattoos is he ?
asciilifeform: not only tattoos
asciilifeform: a real hieronymous bosch, this fellow.
mircea_popescu: http://observatory.designobserver.com/media/images/Pic4_women.jpg
mircea_popescu: look at that, the maddona-whore complex, in russian.
asciilifeform: SOP.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 318 @ 0.00083559 = 0.2657 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: this has got to be marginal, is it ?
asciilifeform: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_TnAcMqiBxug/TNrnuS_wugI/AAAAAAAAWnU/VA7gQGvFpGc/s1600/File0007.jpg
asciilifeform: 'i am an english, french, american, japanese, italian, german, and some other kind of spy...'
mircea_popescu: heh.
asciilifeform: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61ZVAeJ9qUL.jpg
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re the women specifically, is that nonsense a mainstream representation afayk ?
mircea_popescu: seems to me more like an import.
asciilifeform: depends, 'mainstream'
mircea_popescu: myeah.
asciilifeform: 'the slaying by a convict of a 'bullock' during an escape from camp.'
asciilifeform: 'convicts, during escapes from far nothern camps of gulag lured with them (due to the impossibility of gathering adequate provisions while imprisoned) other inmates, who would be killed en route. such victims of cannibalism were known in convict argot as 'bullocks.' how many 'bullocks' were eaten up, is unknown.'
mircea_popescu: more interesting, how many troops of bullocks successfully took over the escape and ate the smartasses.
asciilifeform: never know who the bullock is until, well, bullock time
mircea_popescu: because without a 50-50 distribution cads mat has damned serious problems enacting his imagined polity into reality.
mircea_popescu: mat stands, of course, for may. rather than cunt.
mircea_popescu: i wonder if the old "each table has a sucker or it wouldn't be a table. if you don't know who then well..." into a "each escape has its bullocks, and upon the eating of the first one you'll know whether you count with him by whether you're invited to dine."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: found your dream's woman. (warning to folks with weak nerves - medieval/inquisitory!) http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WPS03cv5PlA/T6QfShY0W6I/AAAAAAAABAE/Ekx87gH6pXA/s1600/BaldaevGulag20_.jpg
mircea_popescu: not so by an ymeans.
mircea_popescu: atm trying to discern if indeed the left side girl in the earlier pic is or only resembles.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's the caption say ? my russian is too sucky.
asciilifeform: which one?
asciilifeform: ant girl?
mircea_popescu: yeah
asciilifeform: 'some demented people in gulag during the years of the cult, for their amusement, would select women from the contigent of 'enemies of the people' and for 'some sin' sit them down upon anthills.' bottom: 'young women who refused to become lovers of their executioners in gulag would be sat upon anthills, tied to trees, 'for the mosquitoes and ants.' sometimes a pipe would be inserted, made from a reed or a birc
asciilifeform: h 'flute', a rolled up tube for the ease of entry of ants. to the legs would be tied a 'spreader stick.' often the executioners were helped by female 'vor' ['thief-in-law'] inmates.'
asciilifeform: baldaev got quite a lot of shit for these, many folks insisted that he simply drew his fantasies (during his employment as a prison guard)
asciilifeform: the compendium is now a best-seller.
asciilifeform: incl. in american bookstores.
mircea_popescu: oic
mircea_popescu: many folks = the anthropologically challenged.
asciilifeform: some scenes are a little bit stretching historical credibility, like this slave ship loading: http://cs409231.vk.me/v409231196/594d/FWKahJoz4aM.jpg
mircea_popescu: врагов enemies rather than devils
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually, the allies used that principle in places during the dunkirk rescue.
mircea_popescu: wild times.
asciilifeform: caption notes that 'nets were eventually replaced with cages holding fifty men, due to high rates of trauma.'
mircea_popescu: when it's a case of "got five hours to get as many men on the boat as you can, and whoever's left gets to meet herr drakula"... trauma starts looking like cake.
Apocalyptic: for anyone interested the ATC ticker is up @ https://www.x-bt.com/api/atcbtc/get_ticker
asciilifeform: here, author is almost certainly satisfying his own desires: http://actualhistory.ru/app/var/pub/files/86/41776_image_large.jpg
asciilifeform: (i could translate caption but it's more or less self-explanatory)
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic add some vwap stuff to it ?
kakobrekla: and vol
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, added on my todo list
asciilifeform: rectomurine cryptoanalysis.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol, momsoup ?
mircea_popescu: so why "almost certainly" ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13050 @ 0.00087627 = 11.4353 BTC [+] {3}
asciilifeform: 'in one cellar...' '...tire pump, soldering iron, bottle, ... rat, bucket on hotplate.'
mircea_popescu: the objection being that such a diverse collection of items could not be found in the same one cellar ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.062 = 0.372 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: no serious objection on my part, just that the author has a reputation as a teller of embellished tales.
asciilifeform: a herodotus of sorts.
mircea_popescu: but was this reputation been built by reddit or by vory.
asciilifeform: hard to say. plenty of folks wrote that 'i did time, saw no such things'
asciilifeform: as you might expect.
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: many women could say "i've been around the block, there's no mp"
mircea_popescu: especially to their mothers.
asciilifeform: many arguments were against the 'political' slant of the book, rather than the facts. 'some english chick is sitting on a rat pot right now, but where's the book, hah.'
mircea_popescu: i doubt she is, tbh.
mircea_popescu: the main problem of the west is impotence.
mircea_popescu: what was cat again ? thief ?
asciilifeform: recidivist.
asciilifeform: russian blogger, circa '04: 'have you ever beaten a man? had you done so, you would know that it is hard work. no less arduous than turning a meat-grinder. how often do you wake up to the urge to crank a meat-grinder? every day?'
mircea_popescu: "many english girls will have their cute recidivist tattoos fed to them should they ever end up in kresty
punkman: cat is thief, goat is snitch
mircea_popescu: punkman there's some ethnic and geographic variation to it.
asciilifeform: historians divide the tats into two basic types, 'voluntary' and 'forcible.'
punkman: well yeah, you wouldn't tattoo snitch on your forehead
asciilifeform: ex. of the latter: a devil stoking a furnace (drawn around actual arse, it being the furnace)
punkman: heh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 30 @ 0.0243 = 0.729 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: anyone interested in this subject can find all the reading material he wishes.
punkman: I got a couple books with tattoos, these russian books seem like a good addition
asciilifeform: by some accounts, the old traditions have died, and the days when a man would be severely punished for an 'unearned' tattoo are gone.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re the meatgrinder thing ; it's well documented that people doing time get bored.
asciilifeform: right
mircea_popescu: if you had the option of running on a stairmaster or turning the meat grinder, what'd you take ?
mircea_popescu: and incidentally : http://www.velona.com/about/chris3.html
asciilifeform: the man i quoted re: the meatgrinder was employed as a detective embedded in a prison, in what was then leningrad. he had an interesting take: much of what the rubes think of as 'the cruelty' was simply administration of justice among the convicts
asciilifeform: for real, as well as imagines, slights.
mircea_popescu: this would be true.
mircea_popescu: as best one can discern anyway.
asciilifeform: the most mortal sin was, as one might expect, snitching, followed by welching on debts.
mircea_popescu: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-iXSddXHNoPg/TbxlRoB9dTI/AAAAAAAAAHk/CT0fRQTE0fo/s1600/lifeingulag-53%255B1%255D.jpg
mircea_popescu: i'd say that's the most improbable of the lot, actually.
asciilifeform: how's that
mircea_popescu: completely contradicts all notions of ritual purity. they'd have cut his head outside and behind
mircea_popescu: (ie, not by the door, by the opposite wall)
asciilifeform: this one is actually plausible. may be taking place in a barrack belonging to 'lower order' convicts
asciilifeform: (that is, 'political' types)
asciilifeform: cleanup left for them.
mircea_popescu: or like that i guess.
mircea_popescu: tho the people look comfortable
mircea_popescu: ie, not like they're visiting.
asciilifeform: true.
mircea_popescu: it's little things like that that grate. otherwise arguing against the message...
mircea_popescu: hard tack.
mircea_popescu: http://www.freebook.com.br/Imagens/produtos/28/9780955006128/9780955006128_Detalhes1.jpg < wtf is the fucking thinking here.
mircea_popescu: i'll show you i'm a convicted whore but hide my nipples and wear a slip!
asciilifeform: http://img15.nnm.me/7/b/8/5/d/8d654b1e70e9d5e656fcfb5dfbf.jpg
asciilifeform: 'when we clean out his starfish, quickly he'll remember how he undermined soviet power and the party in his research institute with his cybernetics, this scoundrel...'
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: this one's pushing it a bit
mircea_popescu: i agree.
asciilifeform: not because of the red hot poker, either.
mircea_popescu: this seems more like prospective than descriptive
mircea_popescu: if i may be pardoned the pun
asciilifeform: incidentally, few modern armchair generals seem to know that the forbidden 'cybernetics' had nothing to do with the construction of calculating machines
asciilifeform: but rather the glass bead game pushed by half-educated fans of norbert wiener & co. at the time.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it COULD have had something to do with calculating machines
mircea_popescu: or with breaking up the rain pattern
mircea_popescu: or with giving stalin colics.
asciilifeform: we may yet live to see boschean marvels like this one drawn about modern folks.
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asciilifeform: and sold in 'history for kidz' sections of trendoid bookstores.
asciilifeform: where i in fact saw baldaev.
mircea_popescu: sukas are modern, certainly.
mircea_popescu: when's your modernity start, last week ?!
asciilifeform: timeless.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but as you observed, the age of the impotent. whose doings perhaps will not make for good pictures.
mircea_popescu: impotence never lasts.
mircea_popescu: it's a self-limiting condition.
mircea_popescu: there's only so much occupy bs the girls can put up with before eviscerating the doofus troop with their bare hands.
asciilifeform: then, pictures.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0735 = 0.735 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: but not before.
mircea_popescu: true, that.
mircea_popescu: i would guess your gb worth of footage is by and large worthless. curb your enthusiasm level.
asciilifeform: it certianly is.
asciilifeform: hence, not posted anywhere.
mircea_popescu: myeah.
Mats_cd03: dongs
mircea_popescu: then again : http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/60/《喜溢秋庭图》静贵妃部分.jpg
mircea_popescu: derpage abounds in history.
mircea_popescu: and from the same period : http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8f/《玫贵妃春贵人行乐图》.jpg
mircea_popescu: who the fuck would want two concubines dressed in exactly the same cut out of slightly different colored material but otherwise same textile,
mircea_popescu: with identical earrings outside of minor variations
mircea_popescu: and equally stupid hats.
mircea_popescu: clearly there's no cock involved in this entire thing at any juncture.
asciilifeform: in an account of turkish concubines, a venetian envoy noted that cucumbers were served to them pre-sliced...
Mats_cd03: thats my fetish
mircea_popescu: well yeah... ?
mircea_popescu: i had lunch today, the salad had cucumbers, they were pre sliced
asciilifeform: well, noted specifically that they were permitted through the gate only upon slicing.
mircea_popescu: oh
mircea_popescu: do you suppose the concern was they may enjoy them through both ends of the digestive canal
mircea_popescu: or that they may contraband unapproved earrings in them, much to the anger and envy of all the other bored womenz ?
asciilifeform: presumably
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6047 @ 0.00087661 = 5.3009 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: incidentally, how many people know of the war debt carusel in the context of the 1929 crisis ?
mircea_popescu: as in, all through the war the british were sucking captial out of the us, first in the form of cashing out their massive investments, then in the shape of borrowing.
mircea_popescu: this was being repaid after the war, principally from german reparations, which principally consisted of us loans to germany.
mircea_popescu: the entire thing ended in the 30s as perhaps the first major fiasco of the government-owned financial system.
asciilifeform: arse-mouth system.
asciilifeform: i though everybody knew.
asciilifeform: *thought
mircea_popescu: well, that's the problem with ww1, for the first time in history governments became a majority of the gdp,
mircea_popescu: basically the bolsheviks won anyway.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, we're talking 10 to 20 1930 bn dollars worth here.
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 30 @ 0.09999995 = 3 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5499999 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: that'd be roughly 30 to 50 or so thousand tons of gold, at the time
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1200 @ 0.00087393 = 1.0487 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: ww1 zapped the wealth, the rest, funny bookkeeping to cover for it
mircea_popescu: i wonder if germany is/will be told "fu, we're keeping the gold cause ww1"
asciilifeform: (not like they could've brought it back)
asciilifeform: gold for safekeeping, haha
asciilifeform: stalin, during famous party plenum, re: spanish civil war gold:
asciilifeform: 'these fellows won't see it again like they won't see their ears [without mirror].]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform romania sent about a billion trillion tons of gold and shit back when russia was run by the tsar (and close ally / relative of the romanian king)
mircea_popescu: quoty Kosighin "what gold ? we have never heard of such a gold"
mircea_popescu: quoth birladeanu "here's in the soviet archives lenin recorded speaking of it"
mircea_popescu: "o... hm.... uhhhh"
mircea_popescu: the next day "clearly, you misunderstood something"
mircea_popescu: "the whites took it"
mircea_popescu: http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2023140,00.html < economic crisis starts sort-of just as germany is done paying its 1953-reinstated, ww1 bonds.
ozbot: How Germany Ended Its World War I Reparations Payments - TIME
mike_c: more JD stats you are all dying to know: ROI on money invested last July and left alone since then: 14.5%
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 12 @ 0.16230094 = 1.9476 BTC [-]
jurov: lol and did you hear what italy just did?
mircea_popescu: jurov ayup.
mircea_popescu: mike_c whoa.
kakobrekla: is not bad
jurov: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-16/money-launderer-until-proven-innocent-italy-imposes-20-tax-withholding-all-inbound-m
mircea_popescu: that is actually the most suspicious thing from all you've dug up so far.
mike_c: hehe
asciilifeform: why not 100%.
ozbot: "Money Launderer Until Proven Innocent" - Italy Imposes 20% Tax Withholding On All Inbound Money Tra
jurov: but it needs better source, it's based only on google translate
kakobrekla: why is it suspect
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla because it matches other numbers
asciilifeform: what's the laffer curve for dekulakization anyway.
kakobrekla: ah you are trolling.
mircea_popescu: i r srs.
mike_c: that's an exclusive. nobody else haz that data
davout: greetings asseteers
kakobrekla: lol
mircea_popescu: heya davoutee
kakobrekla: mike_c exclusive is what asseteers are about, we exclude.
mike_c: except we publish the logs. gotta fix that.
kakobrekla: myea
mircea_popescu: nah, gotta keep publishing the logs to be just like the paris club or w/e.
kakobrekla: fuck the logs, carpe diem, sieze the day, miss it, fuck you.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1005 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.06742857 = 0.472 BTC [+] {5}
mircea_popescu: In 1924, an American banker named Charles Dawes outlined what came to be known as the Dawes Plan — a new reparations agreement under which U.S. banks such as J.P. Morgan issued bonds to private investors on behalf of Germany, which agreed to pay them back when the money became due. Dawes won the 1925 Nobel Peace Prize for his work on this plan. But when the first batch of bonds came due in 1928, Germany again default
mircea_popescu: ed. So in June 1929, a new plan was enacted, floating more U.S.-backed bonds and reducing Germany's payments to $28 billion paid out over 59 years.
r3wt: How do i join the WOT
mircea_popescu: totally worth a nobel prize for going "hey guise, wouldn't it be better if we ipo that shit ???"
r3wt: for ATC
mircea_popescu: r3wt hi there.
mircea_popescu: ;;help
gribble: The bot responds when you start a line with the ! character. A good starting point for exploring the bot is the !facts command. You can also visit the bot's website for a list of help topics and documentation: http://gribble.sourceforge.net/
jurov: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Using_bitcoin-otc
ozbot: Using bitcoin-otc - bitcoin-otc wiki
jurov: ^ r3wt
mircea_popescu: that prolly better.
kakobrekla: and if that is too much you can noob it out with ;;google bitcoin otc youtube
kakobrekla: or some shit
r3wt: jurov: thank you much my friend
r3wt: i was invited to join the WOT, i had never heard of it before now
mircea_popescu: gotta be in the wot.
r3wt: i was told to come here
mircea_popescu: which nobel prize story inspires me. shouldn't we have a yearly prize of some sort for some thing ?
kakobrekla: you came to the right church.
mircea_popescu: the #bitcoin-assets economic prize of economy ?
Apocalyptic: r3wt, I hear some people are waiting 2 days, maybe even more for withdrawals from openex, what's wrong ?
davout: kakobrekla: mass is in french
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu i think you would have hard time finding the nominees
asciilifeform: if people want to hand out prizes for whatever, nothing's stopping them?
r3wt: Nothings wrong. i registered the llc and some of the staff didn't want to abide by the legal requirements and left. i've been afk, so withdrawals tend to pile up with no one to confirm them
benkay: 14.5% on jd investments eh?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kakobrekla no but hear me out :
r3wt: other than Dogecoin everything is good
mircea_popescu: we collect a pot by donation, whoever wants to contribute. then the pot is on a fixed date distributed to one recipient.
mike_c: benkay: yeah. not bad for 7 months.
r3wt: but i'm not saying its not my fault because it sort of all falls on me in the end
mircea_popescu: all we need is to agree on some gross criteria, then people construct a nominee list and all contributors vote on it
mircea_popescu: proportional to their contribution.
r3wt: just try to understand where i'm coming from if you can
mircea_popescu: open source nobel prize.
mike_c: wouldn't that recipient have already amassed quite a sum by doing whatever he won the prize for?
mike_c: we're not exactly acadmeics here
mircea_popescu: r3wt well being here works wonders to defuse such tension.
mike_c: hehe. academics
mircea_popescu: otherwise people get antsy
mircea_popescu: mike_c you say that like it's a bad thing.
r3wt: we do have something very cool in the works. i'm sure no one will see it coming either.
mike_c: i don't! point being that the prize would be dwarfed by the recipients already worthy rewards from winning in the marketplace.
mod6: are you from openex, r3wt?
r3wt: mod6: yes sir
mircea_popescu: this is supposed to work so as to humble the nobel idiocy, not necessarily as to make the recipient rich.
mod6: ahh ok. ima pm u.
r3wt: you can tell me why im here?
mircea_popescu: after all, someone winning the nobel prize for actual merit is already independently well paid anyway.
mircea_popescu: take obama, he's not rich because he melted down the peace gold medal, he's rich because he bleed dry a quarter billion idiots.
mike_c: and he writes good books
mircea_popescu: definitely.
mircea_popescu: i don't remember seeing such penmanship since britney spears bio
mircea_popescu: aptly titled "stakes"
Mats_cd03: merr
mircea_popescu: so looking in the deep of the deepest of your soul!! and such, what would be the criteria one'd actually meet you'd respect
mircea_popescu: for their economics contributions.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.1 = 0.2 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: if anyone can vote to according to their btc deposit weight then we can end up with completely different game where mp always wins.
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't deposit so much as to fuck things up
kakobrekla: how much is that much?
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i'm definitely supporting this but more like a matching thing.
mircea_popescu: what's even reasonable ? less than a third i guess
jurov: what if someone makes 51% attack and takes the pot?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5257 @ 0.0002149 = 1.1297 BTC [+] {6}
mircea_popescu: i'll just deposit moar and fuck them ?
kakobrekla: that is what i was saying
mircea_popescu: i think it's defensible tbh.
mircea_popescu: suppose you have to be in our wot to contribute.
mircea_popescu: w don't want any random tard's calls and notions anyway.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2800 @ 0.00021498 = 0.6019 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1 = 0.3 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: given your confidence i could rob you of all your btc in that way if i gather > than you
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.098 = 0.686 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: well obviously we can't let this run as a dollar auction.
mircea_popescu: it has to be a gentleman thing.
mircea_popescu: which is kind-of the point of it in the first place anyway.
asciilifeform: prize for what, again?
kakobrekla: ok can you give me 5 possible candidates for this ? i cant think of two.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 700 @ 0.00021499 = 0.1505 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "for outstanding contributions in the field of economics"
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i dunno, nick szabo.
Mats_cd03: lol...
mircea_popescu: just to pull out of my ass.
asciilifeform: is herr szabo in the wot?
mircea_popescu: there's hundreds to pick from, and none of them EVER make it on the libertard-run nobel rolls
mircea_popescu: because those are too busy giving the prize to retarded monkeys.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the recipient wouldn't have to be in the wot,
mircea_popescu: the sponsors (ie, members of the academy) would have to be.
asciilifeform: you'd need an equally-reliable way to pin a public key on him
mircea_popescu: he can post an address on his blog.
asciilifeform: ('do business with keys' formula)
mircea_popescu: ;;google nick szabo gpg fingerprint
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mircea_popescu: i guess not.
mircea_popescu: definitely herbi or mike_c could get one if they keep with their blogs.
asciilifeform: hundreds to pick from?
mircea_popescu: what's to keep them from it ? let the entire rest of the world learn what it has to do in the nwo.
mircea_popescu: drop all the rest, do this or perish.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform defo.
mike_c: hehe. me and nick szabo. no contest, he hasn't done anything in years!
mircea_popescu: easy win right ?
mircea_popescu: plus you're buddy-buddy with the entire fucking academy.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's that retard someone was recommending buying puts on the stock indexes for 10 years, showing like -5% on his hedge funds lol
mircea_popescu: i could see him on the nominees list.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.098 = 0.294 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: so we're doing both 'ignobel' and nobel?
mircea_popescu: nono, just, i wouldn't vote for him
mircea_popescu: but i can see how someone'd recommend him.
mircea_popescu: gotta have disagreement and scream at each other to end up with a good prize.
mircea_popescu: im just trying to export my boardroom into your lives over here. i tell you, it works!
asciilifeform: if we do it with some fancy multi-keyed crypto widget, it'll double as a tontine...
mircea_popescu: may be a good idea, tho i fear automated trust systems may be hijacked in the way kakobrekla describes.
mircea_popescu: a mechanical turk you can have, an automated gentleman you can't have.
asciilifeform: truly.
mircea_popescu: so srsly, no trolling, try and come up with a broad criteria. like a sentence or something, a paragraph.
asciilifeform: and then we do physics, chemistry... ?
mircea_popescu: cads herbi and whoever else this goes for you too, even if you're poor.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform maybe. i mean... you know, do whatever we want to do.
mircea_popescu: that's why godoshi has given us the concept of altcoins.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1497 @ 0.00021499 = 0.3218 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: if ppls wanna do physics too we do physics too. with a focus on rocketry or w/e interests us.
mircea_popescu: the fact remains that whatever interests us is what matters in the world henceforth, and whatever interests whoever else, seven billion anon rats, is not worth a cigarette butt.
benkay: i nominate portland state aerospace society for their open source rocketry work
mircea_popescu: o hai.
mircea_popescu: if nothing else we'll at least get to find out about shit everyone else thought we knew about (tm)
mircea_popescu: such as for instance right now.
benkay: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAnPtbYMA8o&list=PL9498DE35E817D50C&index=1
benkay: built a roll control unit, doing cool stuff with imus and measurements
ozbot: LV2.3 October 2010 IMU Data - YouTube
benkay: rocket is a hilarious hog
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.00087567 = 21.8042 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: lol
benkay: basically built by ee's as a flight platform for their electronics
benkay: but its got some sweet mechanics too, you'll note that the fins spin independently of the rocket body
benkay: we reverse engineered that from other rockets controlled with canards
mircea_popescu: not bad
mircea_popescu: a you're part of it ?
benkay: cut, hardened and packed our own bearings
benkay: was at one point
benkay: it's a "student group" mostly made up of area professionals
benkay: big fucking bearings too
benkay: like
benkay: 6" id if i recall correctly?
mircea_popescu: wait on a rocket for fin control ?!
benkay: it prevents control inversion
mircea_popescu: how much do 6" hardened steel bearings weigh ?!
benkay: tiny small control surfaces at the top
benkay: har not a consideration for this hog
benkay: and the bearings themselves are actually pretty small - they're just races attached to the frame
benkay: anyways, it's required because you have these tiny little control surfaces that swivel around up at the top of the body
mircea_popescu: aha
benkay: they induce airflow in a helix around the body, which when it impacts the giant stablization foils at the bottom
mircea_popescu: unrelatedly, it occurs to me that bitcoin makes th ebest fucking prizes you can give :
benkay: on the first run this lead to an inversion of control, and eventually just crazy roll rates
mircea_popescu: the longer you go w/o spending it, the more your prize turns out to be.
benkay: then we decoupled the fins from exerting torque on the rocket body
benkay: problem solved
benkay: now the fins spin, and the rocket goes straight!
mircea_popescu: pretty cool idea.
benkay: at which point i was sucked off the rocket team and into the quadrotor team
benkay: carbon fiber airframe design!
mircea_popescu: 3d printer rocket battery.
benkay: i designed a regen motor for printing
mircea_popescu: now that's a fucking nightmare.
benkay: too scared to ever test it
benkay: but ah hang on
benkay: ha yes
benkay: http://rocketmoonlighting.blogspot.co.nz/
benkay: this gentleman chose gox/propane
benkay: not your best ISP, but definitely your best bet on fuel choices that aren't lethal without millions of USD in support staff and infrastructure.
benkay: defo my mistake in designing my regen motor: going for Isp and not testability.
mircea_popescu: you mean Isp ? impulse ?
benkay: specific impulse, yes
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07378 = 0.2213 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: yeah that'd be a strategic mistake.
mircea_popescu: you need management :D
benkay: i have learned this
benkay: i now have some
mircea_popescu: mazel tov
r3wt: gribble;;
r3wt: ;;gribble
gribble: yes I am gribble. why do you keep bothering me?
r3wt: ;;gribble register
gribble: yes I am gribble. why do you keep bothering me?
mircea_popescu: ;;register
gribble: (register <nick> <keyid>) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a random passphrase to clearsign with your key, and submit to the bot with the 'verify' command. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.
r3wt: ;;register
gribble: (register <nick> <keyid>) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a random passphrase to clearsign with your key, and submit to the bot with the 'verify' command. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.
pankkake: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Main_Page
ozbot: bitcoin-otc wiki
r3wt: hey gribble i want to register but don't want to use GPG
pankkake: r3wt: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Bitcoin_address_authentication
pankkake: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/GPG_Identity_Protocol wow this is awesome
ozbot: GPG Identity Protocol - bitcoin-otc wiki
punkman: pankkake: related, https://keybase.io/
mircea_popescu: pankkake it is.
pankkake: punkman: well the idea is interesting, but seems to rely on their website. also node.js :(
pankkake: meanwhile namecoin actually allows you to do this: https://nameid.org/?name=pankkake
mircea_popescu: yeah, the idea is not interesting.
mircea_popescu: "let us inject our stupid website spuriously" is not much of an ide.a
punkman: pankkake: I don't like that part either
punkman: but we can fix that
mircea_popescu: punkman you running it ?
punkman: I have nothing to do with it
pankkake: anyway, this gpg identity thing allows me to do what I've always wanted to do, a secure way to link profile together
mircea_popescu: a ok
TomServo: ✓ signed by maria
TomServo: ha
r3wt: ;;bcregister r3wt 1337xmR8JRzwKonFgd17dhVo9NHQiP7875
gribble: Request successful for user r3wt, hostmask r3wt!add82c3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:ce803449b5f0c7085754f6594074cab76dcd45e0e6f813b45c5d79f9
pankkake: nice address
mircea_popescu: not bad.
mircea_popescu: r3wt another thing you may consider is registering with nickserv. if your name is important to you.
r3wt: ;;bcregister HIshZU1IeW5WrBqteNtqDEHN1P9cbAgcjUQLv5QAfx7retsTPh6tVjQC3LL4UOE0th2/PP/4xPM9eoR5Mf1c2lA=
gribble: (bcregister <nick> <bitcoinaddress>) -- Register your identity, associating bitcoin address key <bitcoinaddress> with <nick>. <bitcoinaddress> should be a standard-type bitcoin address, starting with 1. You will be given a random passphrase to sign with your address key, and submit to the bot with the 'bcverify' command. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.
r3wt: ;;bcverify HIshZU1IeW5WrBqteNtqDEHN1P9cbAgcjUQLv5QAfx7retsTPh6tVjQC3LL4UOE0th2/PP/4xPM9eoR5Mf1c2lA=
gribble: Registration successful. You are now authenticated for user 'r3wt' with address 1337xmR8JRzwKonFgd17dhVo9NHQiP7875
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 65 @ 0.0055 = 0.3575 BTC
r3wt: ok, it says registration successful. so i'm in?
mircea_popescu: yup
r3wt: hmm, i think i forgot the irc commands
r3wt: ./msg NICKSERV IDENT
r3wt: right?
davout: pankkake: the address is not really impressive, having the firstbits would be
mircea_popescu: something like that.
TomServo: r3wt: register and then ident, iirc
r3wt: in my dreams
davout: r3wt: isn't it /msg nickserv identify <pass>
r3wt: i'm already ident though
r3wt: says i'm already logged in as r3wt
mircea_popescu: davout when did firstbits become a thing ?
r3wt: they've always been a thing for superfags
mircea_popescu: i can't see how it's anything but a stupid idea.
mircea_popescu: perhaps a benign novelty of no use at the best.
davout: they're like vanity plates
davout: not useful, but nice gadgets
WillTablet: TomServo: how's that working for you?
WillTablet: (Mining altcoins)
TomServo: WillTablet: it was a paste from the keybase.io page
r3wt: i'm in the WOT now yes?
mircea_popescu: TomServo is that the maria ?
mircea_popescu: r3wt yes.
TomServo: mircea_popescu: Yep
mod6: weird, no keyid or fp though?
mircea_popescu: seems apropriate.
mircea_popescu: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewgpg.php?nick=r3wt
r3wt: what is the WOT exactly? some type of bitcoin cult?
jurov: hahahahaha
ozbot: #bitcoin-otc gpg key data
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00087636 = 8.0625 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: ;;gettrust r3wt
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask r3wt!add82c3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Trust relationship from user jurov to user r3wt: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=jurov&dest=r3wt | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=r3wt | Rated since: never
jurov: r3wt ask your users to rate you
mircea_popescu: r3wt pretty much, yes.
r3wt: so i just say, go rate my otc profile?
mike_c: hmm, better process withdrawals first
Apocalyptic: ^
r3wt: already done.
mircea_popescu: r3wt https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=110861.msg1227871#msg1227871 < there, it's explained.
jurov: and maybe some day someone whom i trust will rate you too, so i'll know we can do business
mircea_popescu: its a tool to allow you (and us) to evaluate the credibility of agents.
r3wt: only one withdrawals sitting on the books, and it can't be processed yet. waiting on doge.
jurov: or not
r3wt: there is no trust in business. only money and contracts
mircea_popescu: yes. this would be the contracts part.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.07105642 = 1.4211 BTC [-] {7}
r3wt: jurov: you should never trust me in the first place.
Apocalyptic: r3wt, i know of at least 3 different people waiting on withdrawals
jurov: r3wt to put *coins into your thing some rudimentary trust is necessary
r3wt: Apocalyptic: are they foreighn? alot of times foreign people put their username or wrong addresses on withdrawals and they just bounce back into their account
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 19 @ 0.095 = 1.805 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: lmao you don't log when someone inputs malformed address?
skinnkavaj: vc
punkman: damn foreigners!
Apocalyptic: heh
davout: some trust is also required for business, at least that the other the party will hold up to their part
r3wt: @jurov: yes its logged, but only from the queue. if people wanna be clowns then they can pay the price
r3wt: for whatever reason, i haven't been able to get validate address to work correctly.
r3wt: maybe its just php, i'm not sure. hopefully it works better in LUA
davout: r3wt: you have trouble validating bitcoin addresses?
jurov: i think now i know everything i need about you
mircea_popescu: you mean the checksum ?
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=9838.0 ?
ozbot: javascript address validation? 0.2 BTC bounty (bounty paid)
mircea_popescu: people apparently paid 0.2 btc bounties in may 2011.
mod6: r3wt: thanks for sending. all is good now!
r3wt: no prob
r3wt: @dav, yeah probably something i overlooked. when i print the returned info its fine,b ut when i try to use if($row["isvalid"]) === "false") it fails
r3wt: so probably something i just need to go back to the drawing board on, but i'm not really interested in working on the php version anymore. there is literally no point in doing so
r3wt: anything i change now will be temporary
davout: r3wt: i know nothing of your code, but aren't you trying to test strict equality with a string when the value is a boolean?
mircea_popescu: seems like it
mircea_popescu: try ==
r3wt: i tried == to i believe.
davout: why not if($row["isvalid"])
davout: if it's a boolean that should be enough
mircea_popescu: you mean ! ?
r3wt: because it will return the trow anyway?
r3wt: when you rpc call it returns an array
mircea_popescu: r3wt is this thing you're using documented anywhere ?
davout: r3wt: using bitcoind right?
mircea_popescu: bitcoind in php ?
davout: mircea_popescu: why not?
mircea_popescu: uh
davout: just tried it, it returns a bool
mircea_popescu: no reason i guess.
kakobrekla: its not "false" but false
davout: so drop the whole equality test and i assume it should work
r3wt: http://pastebin.com/NqHHnKtg
mircea_popescu: with a !
davout: mircea_popescu: oh yes
ozbot: [PHP] function isValidAddress($idtw,$address) { $wallet = new Wallet($idtw); - Pastebin.co
r3wt: no, we wrote custom wallet wrapper/object with modified bitcoinrpcphp
mircea_popescu: they see me sayin', they ignorin'.
davout: r3wt: so your wrapper converts a nice boolean into a cumbersome string?
davout: mircea_popescu: lol
benkay: i love the javascript "no, really: are these things equal or not?" ===
benkay: javascript: equality?!?!
pankkake: php has the same
r3wt: lol, no you seem to misunderstand
davout: if everyone misunderstands i guess it cancels everyone out
r3wt: https://github.com/r3wt/openex/blob/master/models/class.wallet.php
r3wt: the files are out of date, but thats basically the class/wrapper
davout: r3wt: looks to me like the JSON is simply parsed so you should end up with a bool from validateaddress, no.
davout: ?
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mike_c: so you don't all think JD is just crapping money: ROI from july -> november = 0% all the gains have been since then.
r3wt: no it just returns the array.
r3wt: as far as i'm aware.
r3wt: you could be right and i'm just a dumbass overcomplicating things. i'll try your way and see.
benkay: pankkake: the same craaaaaazy equality operations?
pankkake: yeah, really horrible behaviors
davout: r3wt: if it parses the json it returns a hash, or a dictionary, whatever you call it in PHP, with the "isvalid" key pointing to a bool
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davout: r3wt: test it out i guess
kakobrekla: >if($row["isvalid"]) === "false")
kakobrekla: "false" is not a bool
kakobrekla: did ya fix dat noobery
mike_c: which noobery? using php?
kakobrekla: he pasted that line here
mike_c: sorry, just had to get a php crack in there
davout: dear god, please let this not degenerate into a language fight
davout: :)
mod6: flame flame
mike_c: i held my tongue for like a whole page
davout: OH FUCK IT, IT'S ON
mike_c: rabble rabble PYTHON rabble rabble
r3wt: you can have your jabs now. in a few weeks you will have a mouth of crow
benkay: now now
benkay: make something useful out of php and nobody bats an eye
r3wt: HINT HINT: We rewrote the exchange in something special
kakobrekla: yeah but you got the crow now
davout: r3wt: in lisp?
benkay: Lua you said?
Apocalyptic: can't wait
r3wt: yep LUA
jcpham: rabble rabble
Apocalyptic: does LUA have the === operator ?
r3wt: actually not even lua really, just some home brewery with lua
benkay: no seriously, is it equal?
r3wt: just use ~=
Apocalyptic: just wondering
r3wt: !=
r3wt: so in lua its
davout: Apocalyptic: maybe it has the NOT_EXACTLY_SURE_WHAT_I_M_DOING operator
r3wt: ~=
mike_c: and the ever famous !==
r3wt: lol
davout: =~ is actually awesome
jurov: don't forget <>
mircea_popescu: import languages.
davout: lol
kakobrekla: benkay php is like real world, some are more equal than others.
Apocalyptic: r3wt, you should rewrite it in bitcoin script
davout: kakobrekla: lmao
Apocalyptic: now that would be a challenge
pankkake: =~ is for using regular expressions?
mircea_popescu: i like the >=< operator.
mircea_popescu: kinda covers everything
davout: pankkake: yeah, checks for regexp match
mircea_popescu: which kind ?
davout: mircea_popescu: the infamous "figure-it-out-yourself" operator
pankkake: and I suppose you can use it for replacements too. that's one of the things I miss in Python, direct regexp access
mircea_popescu: uh python does not have regexp ?!
davout: pankkake: i don't think you can
jcpham: MPEX FAQ #42: Figure it out yourself.
r3wt: ah, now i see what i did wrong. i'm asking if a function is a boolean when it already returns one
pankkake: mircea_popescu: it does. but it's just a module, there's no quick access operator
mike_c: re.sub("php", "bugridden")
davout: r3wt: yeah, pretty much what i was yelling at you :-)
r3wt: nope, still didn't fix it
kakobrekla: no he is aksing if a fuction is a string "false"
Apocalyptic: *if a function returns
kakobrekla: ye
kakobrekla: lets broke it
r3wt: i was asking if a string in an array was false within the original function, then i was asking if the function was a boolean
r3wt: so get it right
r3wt: was the string false**
mircea_popescu: <r3wt> ah, now i see what i did wrong. i'm asking if a function is a boolean when it already returns one << pretty good this.
kakobrekla: double false.
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, indeed
kakobrekla: i guess that makes it true
mircea_popescu: r3wt so i guess now you have the answer : wot is the church of bitcoin miracles.
mircea_popescu: it fixes your code.
davout: "if($row["isvalid"]) === "false")" <<< array, where?
r3wt: mircea_popescu: if anything its a good place to learn
kakobrekla: is the array containing string "false" ??
r3wt: yes, the row in the array will say "true" or "false"
r3wt: depending on if the address is valid or not
kakobrekla: but (i hope) its a bool ??
Apocalyptic: davout, in PHP a dictionary is an array
Apocalyptic: that's one of the beauties
davout: Apocalyptic: lol, why don't they call things by their names
Apocalyptic: "An array in PHP is actually an ordered map. A map is a type that associates values to keys. This type is optimized for several different uses; it can be treated as an array, list (vector), hash table (an implementation of a map), dictionary, collection, stack, queue, and probably more"
davout: "and probably more" <<< lmao
mircea_popescu: i like the "probably more" part.
Apocalyptic: cause you know, it's tedious to call things right
mircea_popescu: should be a php operator this.
Apocalyptic: haha mircea
mircea_popescu: >~
pankkake: it's worse. lists and dictionnaries are both arrays
mod6: things can be other things
Apocalyptic: yeah pankkake, everything is an array !
mircea_popescu: mod6 like urmom!
r3wt: the adults are talking
mod6: haha
pankkake: and thus, if you export to json, empty "arrays" can end up as lists when you wanted dicts
mike_c: i like how it is "optimized" for all those things
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kakobrekla: ' == false ' < - comparing bool, ' == "false" ' <- comparing string
pankkake: lol
r3wt: yea i know the difference lol
davout: mircea_popescu there you go, PHP is the perfect randomness generator
kakobrekla: dafuq you comparing a string then for
pankkake: I remember once when I had to do a replace of '[]' by '{}', to fix the php json export
mircea_popescu: davout only for applications where it's not useful.
r3wt: because json rpc returns an array, not a boolean
mircea_popescu: is a boolean an array ?
r3wt: the class is the wrapper
mircea_popescu: it should be i reckon
kakobrekla: array can be anything
Apocalyptic: lemme check
r3wt: oh my god
r3wt: array("somekey" => "somevalue");
davout: mircea_popescu: guess you have a point
mircea_popescu: if $row["hello"] ~= "false[$world]"
mircea_popescu: waitno
r3wt: how can you have a boolean in an array?
mircea_popescu: worldends.jpg
davout: derp
r3wt: it would be a string right? or i'm just stupid?
pankkake: also sometimes, php dicts are forced into lists, if you have only numeric keys or something
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, $ php -r "var_dump(is_array(false));"
Apocalyptic: bool(false)
mircea_popescu: r3wt by making it a double.
kakobrekla: like $array['key'] = false
mircea_popescu: then all the bits in it are boolean.
davout: r3wt: why would it have to be a string??
r3wt: the array returns a string?
mircea_popescu: speaking of "all the bits in it" : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M68GeL8PafE
kakobrekla: do a var_dump($array)
kakobrekla: see what is what
Apocalyptic: r3wt, the array returns crazy things
Apocalyptic: be carefull with those
r3wt: ./altcoind validateaddress alfdjkaslflakdfja { "isvalid" : false }
r3wt: damn, it does return a bollean. you smart mofo
davout: it does, doesn't it
kakobrekla: i told you 356 lineas ago
davout: drop your equality test and keep the if
davout: kakobrekla: no, me
kakobrekla: fuck you ill edit logs
davout: LOL
davout: i yield
r3wt: $address = mysql_real_escape_string(strip_tags($_POST["recipient"])); $wallet = new Wallet($idtw); $validity = $wallet->validate($address); if($validity == false) { $errors[] = "Not a valid address"; $error = true; }
mircea_popescu: lmao
davout: r3wt: listen to what kako said goddommot
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mircea_popescu: i can hear the collective multifacepalms of log reader ppl already.
mircea_popescu: hello multifacepalming logreader people. your facepalms have been foretold.
mike_c: seriously... if (!$validity)
davout: then it has to be $validity = $wallet->validate($address)["isvalid"]
Apocalyptic: you can't do that in PHP
mircea_popescu: php does not allow things.
Jere_Jones: 5.4 does
davout: Apocalyptic: yeah, sorry, i guess i'm used to my language being insecure, not dumb
pankkake: hahaha
mircea_popescu: davout dumb is secure.
mike_c: please don't call php secure
mircea_popescu: to prove this : consider cheating wives. the dumb ones don't.
mircea_popescu: qed.
pankkake: simple is secure, not dumb
davout: pankkake: word
mircea_popescu: simple is doumbly secure.
davout: PHP burns my eyes
Apocalyptic: so does Perl
mircea_popescu: mike_c what's so insecure about php anyway. it securely failed the === "orly" test
mod6: na, perl?!
kakobrekla: <?php print('so basically you are unable to read this davout?'); ?>
davout: kakobrekla: not too long, my eyes are only partly melted
mircea_popescu: is there some system call construct in php ?
mod6: haha
mike_c: mircea_popescu: here's one reason: "PHP is built to keep chugging along at all costs."
mircea_popescu: run("hello i am running strings on your stack");
mike_c: http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/#philosophy
mircea_popescu: mike_c that's not automatically insecure.
ozbot: PHP: a fractal of bad design - fuzzy notepad
Apocalyptic: kako, real PHPers use echo instead of print
mike_c: you don't see other languages accidentally crapping the source code all over the web when something goes wrong
davout: "PHP takes vast amounts of inspiration from other languages, yet still manages to be incomprehensible to anyone who knows those languages." <<< truth
mike_c: it's not automatically insecure, it just tends that way. which is bad.
mircea_popescu: well sure.
Apocalyptic: http://phpsadness.com/sad/1
mircea_popescu: i still don't believe there's anything that even comes close to php for as long as what you're doing is basically... a blog.
davout: thank god nobody relies on a programming language for actual security
mircea_popescu: or w/e, a digital scrapbook for the information superhighway
ozbot: Unexpected T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM - PHP Sadness
mike_c: but he is not building a blog, he is building an exchange
mircea_popescu: this is what he thinks.
kakobrekla: Apocalyptic fortunatley being real phpers is not something to brag about
mircea_popescu: imagination has no impact on realitah still.
Apocalyptic: true
kakobrekla: echo that motherfucker.
peterl: who is building an exchange in php?
mike_c: r3wt. but don't worry, he's converting it to a custom lua engine
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mircea_popescu: wasn't lua supposed to be a scripting language ?
mike_c: it is. but node.js says that don't matter. you can build with anything.
mircea_popescu: ‣
mircea_popescu: Weak typing (i.e., silent automatic conversion between strings/numbers/et al) is so complex that whatever minor programmer effort is saved is by no means worth it.
mircea_popescu: see, this i will dispute.
mike_c: hah. please do.
r3wt: php is shit. i will always like it because its my first thing i learned but even i can realize the problems it has
mircea_popescu: 10mn people wrote === false code that worked.
mircea_popescu: that's like 100k man-hours.
mircea_popescu: the time thus spent resulted in at least 3k babies,
davout: if (x === true) { return true; }
mircea_popescu: out of which there were maybe even 2 actual programmers.
jurov: 100k manboobs
mircea_popescu: now show me any other language which actually MAKES programmers.
pankkake: http://phpsadness.com/sad/1 => blame the jews
davout: sorry if (x === true) { return true; } else { return false; } <<< i've actually seen this
ozbot: Unexpected T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM - PHP Sadness
Namworld: === in PHP? What the heck does that do? Can't recall ever using 3 =
mike_c: it means "equal in type and value"
mike_c: double equal means "almost everything is equal"
davout: how the fuck could it have the same value if it's not the same type
mike_c: seriously
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mircea_popescu: == is useless.
mircea_popescu: ‣
mircea_popescu: It’s not transitive. "foo" == TRUE, and
mircea_popescu: "foo" == 0… but, of course,
mircea_popescu: TRUE != 0.
mircea_popescu: ahahaha this is some epic shit
kakobrekla: ok so:
kakobrekla: 2
kakobrekla: what did i just type
davout: ==> "is this cube equal to this sphere?" sure, they're both made of wood!
kakobrekla: is it int or str
mike_c: int. no quotes.
davout: PHP looks like the language of choice for quantum physics
davout: "not sure, maybe we'll see at runtime"
mircea_popescu: so according to php is "1" = 1 evaluated to 1, 0 or what ?
kakobrekla: but i typed a str
Apocalyptic: <davout> ==> "is this cube equal to this sphere?" sure, they're both made of wood! // sure, because maleability
mike_c: wait, isn't mtgox written in php? case closed.
blg: mtgox also uses tcp/ip case closed
mircea_popescu: == converts to numbers when possible ( 123 == "123foo"… although "123" != "123foo"), which means it converts to floats when possible. So large hex strings (like, say, password hashes) may occasionally compare true when they’re not. Even JavaScript doesn’t do this.
KRS-One: qbasic?
davout: mike_c: no, because frameworks
mircea_popescu: this is so great.
mike_c: yes, drupal will save us
davout: also midas
mircea_popescu: For the same reason, "6" == " 6", "4.2" == "4.20", and "133" == "0133". But note that 133 != 0133, because 0133 is octal. But "0x10" == "16" and "1e3" == "1000"!
davout: i don't want to live on this internet anymore
mike_c: kako, defend that. "133" == "0133"
kakobrekla: same amt of btc.
mike_c: lol. true.
mircea_popescu: Amen to the cavalier attitude. You know about PHP's Javascript-esque === operator? (that's the one with three equals signs). That got designed on the spot in an IRC session with Zeev and some other devs. Because I actually had to explain to these folks what the concept of "object identity" was, i.e. what lisp does with 'eq', python does with 'is', and Javascript does with ===. Yes, because PHP's is different. Not only
mircea_popescu: does === fail to do object identity testing, it's simply '==', does all the "deep comparison" of ==, but also bothers to compare the type.
mircea_popescu: http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=204433&cid=16703529
ozbot: PHP 5.2.0 Released - Slashdot
mircea_popescu: In other words, I was unsuccessful in explaining this rather basic concept. They got it blisteringly wrong, and hacked this wrongness into the language for all time. I attempted to explain (much more patiently than here) that no, this is not what === is supposed to do, but I wasn't heard. Not by Zeev, not by anyone else on channel. No one got it at all.
mircea_popescu: I passionately hated PHP for a long time after that, but it's just not relevant enough to my work anymore to hate.
r3wt: so i should be learning python and lisp or what?
mike_c: sounds like a kindred spirit doesn't he mp?
peterl: python is great
mircea_popescu: mike_c it was an enjoying read. i am a sadist :D
davout: r3wt: tbh i think what matters most isn't the language, is to strive to understand exactly what's hapenning
r3wt: that is a tough task for me. i find myself doing alot of reading and then some trial and error
davout: but wanting away from PHP sounds like a sane thing if you're going to be programming moar
mircea_popescu: learning more languages never heart anyone, be they computer or natural.
r3wt: well this is my first project but i can already see that i do not want to do php forever.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, absent any effort for deep understanding of meaning and grammar, no actual language learning takes place.
davout: r3wt: what makes a language hard to me is the lack of internal consistency it can have
pankkake: my innefiencies with php was mostly… looking up the order of function arguments, as they were so inconsistent
Apocalyptic: ^
mircea_popescu: pankkake i was just reading that
mircea_popescu: http://phpsadness.com/sad/9
ozbot: Order of arguments (array/string search) - PHP Sadness
pankkake: "implode() can, for historical reasons, accept its parameters in either order"
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r3wt: yeah, php is an odd language im not sure why i learned it other than there is just alot of info on it out there and it seemed easy for me to learn
mircea_popescu: lol historical reasons
Apocalyptic: pankkake, now that's insane
davout: also easiest to get started with
davout: procedural is easiest to comprehend
mircea_popescu: so TIL that bitcoinaverage uses a ton of fictitious volume from crap like bitfines.
mircea_popescu: bitfinex
mircea_popescu: "volume_btc": 17716.99,
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mircea_popescu: how the fuck is one to trust an avg which includes > 25% pure unadulterated crud.
mircea_popescu: herpderp we've taken out mtgox, but we count bitfinex.
pankkake: r3wt: an advice for your current php code is not to use mysql escapes directly, but use http://php.net/PDO especially prepared statements. that way, you have less chance to forget an escape
davout: working out at bitfitness, bitches don't know bout my volume
mircea_popescu: 23293.31 from bitstamp, 17237.53 from btc-e, basically this is a joke.
mircea_popescu: there's officially no bitcoin average price signal out there.
mircea_popescu: "volume_percent": 30.15
mircea_popescu: gimme a break.
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mircea_popescu: theres' ANX.HK Justcoin and a bunch of other crap with < 10 btc volume
mircea_popescu: why would anyone include this.
r3wt: pankkake: should i waste my time with that or should i continue writing ssl sockets for LUA?
peterl: mircea_popescu: could you publish your own average bitcoin price?
ThickAsThieves: my openex withdrawals are done, the delay was partially due to Chrome autofilling my username into the address field
mircea_popescu: peterl i could. and then my own bitcoin and my own planet
mircea_popescu: seems to be exactly counter to what im trying to do tho
Apocalyptic: ThickAsThieves, it's ok you are a foreigner
pankkake: r3wt: just keep in mind if you write more php. almost all other languages have libs in the style of PHP PDO
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you know that's pretty serious an issue.
nicknock_: mp: whats wrong about bfx?
r3wt: btw, openex lua is done man, it is a complete rethink. i would have a few days of moving/converting the db to the new structure but it is basically all done except for sockets and the migration of the db structure
FabianB_: coindesks bitcoin price index might be an option, but with only stamp and btce it's a joke too
pankkake: autofill is evil
mircea_popescu: nicknock_ see mpoe-pr's scamthread
peterl: don't most exchanges publish volumes and prices, shouldn't getting an average be pretty easy?
mircea_popescu: omg they have localbitcoins
mircea_popescu: so basically i can just put the price anywhere by reporting trades on localbitcoins
Apocalyptic: ^
mircea_popescu: "Rock Trading"
mircea_popescu: wait, that's still in business ? didn't it turn scam a while back ?
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mircea_popescu: Vircurex doing an epic 2.13 btc
davout: mircea_popescu: you'd be paying them fees for this
davout: not saying it wouldn't be possible tho
mircea_popescu: davout i pay localbitcoins a fee to trade locally ?
mircea_popescu: how does that work lmao
Apocalyptic: yes mircea you do
Apocalyptic: 1%
davout: i don't, know, isn't that their business model?
mircea_popescu: i have no idea they even had a business model.
mircea_popescu: basically it's a site to meet federal agents posing as people who are trying to buy bitcoins to pay for stolen cards, rite ?
davout: check-out this faggotry, visit the link bitcoincentral.com
kakobrekla: i was expecting kraken
davout: kakobrekla: lol
mircea_popescu: kraken is doing like 40 btc total.
kakobrekla: they also squated that much worth of domains
davout: somehow, two minutes after i tell lb owner about it my ip gets blocked, and the domain only works from my cell disconnected from wifi
mircea_popescu: who was arguing for the good idea=ness of using dead brands ?
mircea_popescu: there you go person : someone resurected the kraken harnett & co shat all over in 2012.
mircea_popescu: apparently it wasn't SUCH a good idea.
mircea_popescu: davout about what ?
davout: what about what?
mircea_popescu: "owner about it my ip"
ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> hello multifacepalming logreader people. your facepalms have been foretold. /// as a mostly not programmer this aint so bad so far!
mircea_popescu: <php echo "okthen ThickAsThieves;">
davout: mircea_popescu: i told the owner, the kangasbros guy that bitcoincentral.com redirected to localbitcoins.com, a minutes after it gives me a blank page and starts working again as soon as i change IP
benkay: davout o.0
mircea_popescu: i may be in my slow mode, but i dont follow teh implicashionz.
mircea_popescu: why are you redirecting to him or what ?
davout: it's not mah domain
davout: mine is with a dash
davout: bticoin-central.net/com
benkay: that's a good squat
mircea_popescu: o o o so he's squatting is what you mean
mircea_popescu: lolzy
benkay: what's better is his response to davout saying "hey squatter"
mircea_popescu: hahaha businessmen of egypt class of 2004
davout: benkay: denies at the same time, anyway
mircea_popescu: i suppose this is what is meant by the beetleman metaphore.
mircea_popescu: people with very flat profiles pushing very determinedly.
mircea_popescu: jurov here's the funny math on the topic : he could identify davout in his logs.
mircea_popescu: guess how much traffic he gets
benkay: sad trombone
mircea_popescu: to defray his $10 a year "investment" in "internet" "business"
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mircea_popescu: It’s not even consistent: NULL < -1, and
mircea_popescu: NULL == 0. Sorting is thus
mircea_popescu: nondeterministic; it depends on the order in which the sort algorithm happens to compare elements.
mircea_popescu: aahahaa what
mircea_popescu: null srsly < -1 ?
davout: SQL?
mircea_popescu: php
mircea_popescu: what, sql does that ? nowai.
benkay: but if you just avoid all those things you can write rock-solid code, mircea_popescu.
pankkake: http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/ is the best on the subject, I found
mircea_popescu: benkay either that or discover more things.
mircea_popescu: i don't imagine that list came prepopulated.
davout: no no no, NULL < -1 in SQL would result in NULL
ozbot: PHP: a fractal of bad design - fuzzy notepad
mircea_popescu: pankkake i was quoting from there
pankkake: oh :)
pankkake: it's actually a good resource if you want to *learn* php
mircea_popescu: some of this shit is pretty impressive.
mircea_popescu: ?: is left associative
ThickAsThieves: "we learn that Italy has just ordered banks to withhold a 20% tax on all inbound wire transfers: a decree which on to of everything will apply retroactively to February 1" i missed the retro part initially ... wtf?
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mod6: You pull out the hammer, but to your dismay, it has the claw part on both sides. << lmao
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i can do you one better : romania passed an organic law saying that the tax code can not be altered mid exercise
mircea_popescu: because the govt kept doing this.
mircea_popescu: the next year the tax code was altered mid exercise, and to be applied from the beginning of the exercise.
ThickAsThieves: can italy even keep up with verifying claims of exemption?
davout: lol
mircea_popescu: further improvement : the people who obeyed sucked it
mircea_popescu: the people who told them to fuck off got to get away with it.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves that's planned to become delayed.
davout: in france we have invented something marvelously cynical : "l'abus de droit"
ThickAsThieves: also does Italy not want money coming there anymore?
davout: in other words, if you use the law to your advantage too much, govt gets to fuck you
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves italy thinks money has no choice
mircea_popescu: because all moniz lead to rome
mircea_popescu: or some retarded shit
mircea_popescu: (really, it doesn't want rich foreigners coming in scooping their shit country for cheap)
ThickAsThieves: lol
ThickAsThieves: well, bitcoin!
ThickAsThieves: sry Italy
mircea_popescu: davout romanian courts are like something from 1400 HRE.
mircea_popescu: i don't think any government in the world gets so badly raped in the courts as the romanian one.
davout: "HRE" <<< ?
ThickAsThieves: are bitcoin exchanges going to even be legal next year?
mircea_popescu: good illustration of this principle
mircea_popescu: holy roman empire.
davout: oh
benkay: mircea_popescu: that's the point. avoiding "all of those things" is an impossible task.
mircea_popescu: a state agency created to herpderp about us crapola fined a popular tv station for saying nigger or some such shit.
davout: ThickAsThieves: who knows... as usual, wear a condom and don't leave money on exchanges
mircea_popescu: the station sued the agency. the court ordered the agency stfu and pay the stations' lawyers
mircea_popescu: the agency was not built with a lawyer budget, so it couldn't pay
mircea_popescu: another court said stfu and pay or else we take your computors
mircea_popescu: and sell the employees into slavery.
davout: computors, who would've thought in 1900 that janitors would be humans in 2000 and computors machines
mircea_popescu: srsly.
benkay: neat to note how the spin is changing: http://bitcoinmagazine.com/10165/floridas-bitcoin-sting-cast-doubt-law-enforcements-priorities-money-laundering-laws/
benkay: originally "these horrible credit card fraudsters"
benkay: now it's "they're just moving too much money. you're not allowed to move more than 30K without our permission."
mircea_popescu: myeah.
mircea_popescu: the sides are stiffening, we shall have battle.
mircea_popescu: Including a file dumps its variables into the current function’s scope (and gives the file access to your variables), but dumps functions and classes into global scope.
mircea_popescu: so php does not actually have scope for anything but variables ?
benkay: stahp stahp stahp
benkay: leave poor php alone
benkay: you just don't understand!
mircea_popescu: well i guess why would anyone ever want function scope
davout: it would be so cool to have a consistent language where everything is an object that you call methods on
mircea_popescu: unless they were going to do something evil with it.
mircea_popescu: davout asm ?
davout: nah, i think it's named sapphire or sthg
mircea_popescu: Using a variable as a function name, or variable name, or class name. (silent)
mircea_popescu: for the record, mysql is equally idiotic about this.
davout: classes, functions, w/e they're all objects!
mircea_popescu: ppl spent half a day debugging bizarre eulora errors only to discover the name of a variable happened to be a language construct and those you have to quote a CERTAIN way
davout: mircea_popescu: well that's kind of like mpex, "here are the rules; like it or not, but its how this thing works"
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mircea_popescu: i guess so.
benkay: what's eulora built in?
mircea_popescu: benkay php.
mircea_popescu: srsly : it's largely c++
Jere_Jones: mircea_popescu And THAT is a beautiful language.
mircea_popescu: there are some ad-hoc scripting things we're fighting with atm
mircea_popescu: i'm still waffly whether the entire thing should be torn out and re-written (which you know, 16th standard problem as well as joel's netscape objections)
mircea_popescu: or just try to live with the idiocy of nonsensical xml horror.
mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones sure, for the first 1k lines.
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Jere_Jones: I enjoy it.
mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones the kids don't seem to, which means you'll probably have your work cut out for you until you fall over
mircea_popescu: seeing how most everything that actually works is actually c
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Jere_Jones: If I'm lucky. :)
mike_c: i hope eulora isn't rolling its own xml encoder/decoder. that sounds painful.
mircea_popescu: mike_c whatever's in the code is currently xml-ish.
mircea_popescu: if it rolls its own it ain't gonna be xml.
mike_c: xml-ish :)
mircea_popescu: but probably... lua. i guess.
benkay: HA
mircea_popescu: which will make r3wt's exchange implementable as a crafting station in eulora
mike_c: sounds like.. html!
asciilifeform: anyone remember the multi-MB nsa turd in lua?
mircea_popescu: mike_c do you know of any implementation of xml that is actually not xml-ish ?
mircea_popescu: i mean in some sort of application with some other function or destination than showcasing xml
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform vaguely.
mike_c: xml is just a data format. if it's not being handwritten why not be strict?
mircea_popescu: mike_c but as to the practical question...
asciilifeform: http://blog.malwarebytes.org/intelligence/2012/06/rats-of-unusual-sizes/
mike_c: not sure i follow. you mean like soap?
mircea_popescu: i mean like a cheese grater or a rocket designing gui
mircea_popescu: that for some reason included a xml parser
mircea_popescu: and the thing was actually xml as opposed to xml-ish
mike_c: i would say any website service that uses soap to communicate.
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mircea_popescu: http://pic.dhe.ibm.com/infocenter/radhelp/v8/index.jsp?topic=%2Fcom.ibm.webservice.doc%2Ftopics%2Fcore%2Ftwsicomply.html
mircea_popescu: first fucking thing. "You can choose to make your Web service compliant or non-compliant, depending on your needs."
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ozbot: Help - Rational Application Developer
mircea_popescu: atrocious fucking site ibm has too
mike_c: hm, well, can you provide an example of a reason you would need to not be compliant?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so the lua relation seems merely happenstance
mircea_popescu: mike_c none. but im just saying practically, people do what they do.
Jere_Jones: It isn't a matter of needing to be non-compliant. It would be a matter of not needing to be compliant.
Jere_Jones: Compliant requiring more resources.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there was genuine lua in the turd
asciilifeform: or did you mean something else
mircea_popescu: i mean " multi-MB nsa turd in lua" shoud have read "the lua in the multi-MB nsa turd"
asciilifeform: ah well yes.
asciilifeform: the art of turdcraft has really gone down hill, people write shit in vb even.
mircea_popescu: The White Hat RAT – A legitimate network administrator needs to quickly perform updates or solve problems for numerous users, so he has a legitimate reasons to install a remote administration tool on all of the systems under his supervision. This would allow him to make changes and/or catch people going against the companies computer use policy for all of the users without leaving his desk.
mircea_popescu: you have to be completely broken i nthe head to imagine there is such a thing as a legitimate rat.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: remember 'back orifice' ?
asciilifeform: what it was named after.
mircea_popescu: well ya, but nevertheless.
asciilifeform: yeah i never understood the appeal of giving slaves actual computers. give them graphic terminals and be done with it
mircea_popescu: no computers for slaves.
mircea_popescu: if you need the admin to fix your computer you may not use one.
mircea_popescu: back in the day a man became eligible for marriage once he could fix his own fucking cart.
asciilifeform: http://threatpost.com/large-list-of-ftp-credentials-for-sale-in-underground-forums/104275
asciilifeform: someone still uses ftp!
mircea_popescu: “Hacker’s cannot usually upload information to a website,
mircea_popescu: srsly, 7800 fpt servers, what is this, noob tv ?
asciilifeform: stoopid folks are stoopid, news at 11
asciilifeform: who the hell pays for trojans, also
asciilifeform: i never understood
mircea_popescu: Guy eating in an elegant restaurant in Montreal leaves his table to use the men’s room and comes out screaming.
mircea_popescu: “Monsieur! Monsieur! What is wrong?”
mircea_popescu: “I used the faucet for cold and the hottest water came out.”
mircea_popescu: “Ah, Monsieur “c” is for chaud, which means hot in French.”
mircea_popescu: “But the other faucet has a ‘c’ on it too.”
mircea_popescu: “That ‘c’ is for the English word cold.”
mircea_popescu: “That’s crazy.”
mircea_popescu: “No, sir, not crazy” said the maitre d’, “We are a bilingual city.”
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mircea_popescu: http://www.correctionalassociation.org/news/new-law-bans-shackling-of-incarcerated-women-in-labor
mircea_popescu: interesting what they need laws for.
ozbot: New law bans shackling of incarcerated women in labor » Correctional Association of New York: Corre
BitcoinPropagand: http://www.coindesk.com/italian-amendment-treat-bitcoin-like-cash/
asciilifeform: re: 'keybase' link: brilliant honeypot
benkay: am i supposed to read this florida thing to imply i can move 20k+ but but 20k-??
mircea_popescu: "The first time I went to jail I was 18 years old. I had gone AWOL from the navy, was living with 3 prostitutes, and befriended an older Marine. The Marine and I decided to pull an armed robbery of a small convenience store. A policeman happened to be in the area, and after a long chase we were arrested and went to jail."
asciilifeform: '...certain crypto actions (signing and decrypting) are limited to users who store client-encrypted copies of their private keys on the server, an optional feature we didn't mention above...'
mircea_popescu: omfg
asciilifeform: '...co-founder of OkCupid and Keybase.'
asciilifeform: 'famed artist & designer'
mircea_popescu: name ?
asciilifeform: scroll to bottom
mircea_popescu: i dont have the shit loaded
asciilifeform: keybase.io
mircea_popescu: sigh
blg: benkay: are you referring to the secret service arrests of localbitcoin users?
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benkay: blg yup
asciilifeform: Max Krohn
asciilifeform: co-founder of OkCupid and Keybase
asciilifeform: keybase.io/max
asciilifeform: MIT Ph.D., PDOS Group
asciilifeform: Chris Coyne
asciilifeform: co-founder of OkCupid and Keybase
asciilifeform: keybase.io/chris
mircea_popescu: ;;rate Chris Coyne Max Krohn Caroline Hadilaksono - 10 fucktards
gribble: Error: 'Coyne' is not a valid integer.
asciilifeform: chriscoyne.com
asciilifeform: Caroline Hadilaksono
asciilifeform: famed artist & designer
asciilifeform: keybase.io/chadilaksono
asciilifeform: www.hadilaksono.com
asciilifeform: hard-working public servants!
mircea_popescu: send the fingermen.
asciilifeform: the fucktards are the lusers.
asciilifeform: hell, it's exactly as dumb as 'online wallets'
asciilifeform: let's store private keys on this other fellow's box!
asciilifeform: what could go wrong.
asciilifeform: embrace & extinguish (TM)
mircea_popescu: no cause they're encrypted you know.
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: anyway, the positive here is that all these fucktards are rapidly giving old style fiat credentials a bad name.
mircea_popescu: o, you're from X company ? so you're too stupid to live, right, just like the geniuses that founded okcupid, facebook, whatnot.
asciilifeform: channelling herr moldy and orlov: '...it's not clear that you'll want the old world on your resume.'
mircea_popescu: definitely clear you don't.
mircea_popescu: kinda funny how the stupid work for the smart whether they like it or not.
punkman: keybase.io wants people's private keys? lulz
davout: wai
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asciilifeform: can't believe nobody noticed that tidbit
davout: srsly?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're the first one that read the site
mircea_popescu: probably since its inception
asciilifeform: i always think, 'scroll down to where the bastard wants your keys'
davout: i skimmed over it and concluded, maybe too fast, that it was just syntactic sugar around the gpg binary or sthg
asciilifeform: the less dour the presentation, the more childlike the graphics, the more guaranteed.
punkman: I just liked the command line utility, I want to associate nicknames to keys
mircea_popescu: punkman what's wrong with, you know, the wot ?
davout: punkman: you don't have autocomplete for key names?