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mircea_popescu: lmao how did you get that one ?
mircea_popescu: no, i was rich long before btc.
kdomanski: I stand corrected
mircea_popescu: http://www.iambetterthanyourkids.com/images/inspirational/be_so_happy3.jpg << the main difference between russians and us people ? observe how evstafiev holds the woman's hand.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: even worse than bitter is a sour espresso << i think coffee tastes sour at a certain point of sweetening it.
nubbins`: i recall giving a presentation at the place i had a work term once
mircea_popescu: like, it's bitter, add sugar, less bitter, less bitter, wow sour, not bitter, a little sweet, sweeter etc
nubbins`: in the brief introductory bio my manager asked me to provide, i said i planned to retire by age 35
nubbins`: everyone had a nice lel
nubbins`: i wondered why ;0
mircea_popescu: nubbins` it's not all it's cracked up to be. i spent a while with old farts in costa rica, they bored me stiff.
mircea_popescu: there's just so much bridge a person can play.
nubbins`: ehh, retirement doesn't mean you stop working, just means you don't have to
mircea_popescu: no, that's not retirement, that's being alive.
dub: http://i.imgur.com/vKy5j.jpg
nubbins`: don't tell me, tell the people who lelled at my plan
mircea_popescu: hello people that lelled at ~leel@stjhnf0157w-142163081094.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOP.nl.bellaliant.net
mircea_popescu: dub well she did say she was a stripper.
mircea_popescu: !up Guest55668
mircea_popescu: fu assbot.
mircea_popescu: !up
mircea_popescu: !up mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: diametric: mircea_popescu, asciilifeform: http://www.seeedstudio.com/wiki/FST-01 << ima let teh tech comment.
assbot: FST-01 - Wiki
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: if you can recommend a shop and they give you a cutback on the order "finders fee" or something i would consider <<< what you're contemplating is actually fraud, and a hanging offense you know.
mircea_popescu: punkman why was tramadol supposed to be natural ?!
mircea_popescu: natural in what sense, it exists or what.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: this is an easy way to create a fraudulent scenario. <<< i can actually confirm this. clueless intern paid .2 btc coinbase invoice, had to be slapped across head. the bitcents are and have been in limbo since friday.
kdomanski: I suspect natural the way THC is natural and LSD is not
mircea_popescu: PeterL: where did you get 100M shares from? << the confusion is mostly because originally F.DERP was going to have 10x as much money, but then i cut back because nobody was buying the derps, much to i guess no one's surprise.
mircea_popescu: kdomanski turns out it was urine polution. you know, the way us males get estrogen in the drinking water from all the pills chicks take to not make more kids.
peterl: I see. I guess you can't go back and change it, what with signatures and such
kdomanski: mircea_popescu: yup, I read it
peterl: If you had started on havelock you could switch it and nobody would know
mircea_popescu: uh da fuck
mircea_popescu: dude i can't believe this thing i edited one place but not the other and signed it like that o.O
mircea_popescu: now the reports and the contract are fucking diverged and jurov has legitimate complaint #873
mircea_popescu: thanks for saying something o.O
mircea_popescu: PeterL: not usually explosives, but I have had a few things go up in flames (note: dumping pyrophoric powder into a container of flammable liquid is a bad idea) << one of my favourite "experiments" as a 12 yo with a chemistry lab was setting on fire a mix of potassium chloride and sulfur powder, with various metals mixed in for coloration.
nubbins`: thestringpuller shirts finally arrived, printing films; your design doesn't have text converted to outlines ☟︎
nubbins`: so now i have a large Arial TM in the middle of your image, instead of (probably) a tiny fun TM in the corner somewhere
mircea_popescu: "This summer the insurgent group ISIS captured the Iraqi city of Mosul—and along with it, three army divisions’ worth of U.S.-supplied equipment from the Iraqi army, including Humvees, helicopters, antiaircraft cannons and M1 Abrams tanks."
mircea_popescu: here's an idea for a kill switch : everyone in the pentagon is hanged.
mircea_popescu: treason.
mircea_popescu: !up notsakamoto
mircea_popescu: grrr
mircea_popescu: !up
mircea_popescu: !up mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: comment << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2014#829589 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2014 18:06:25; asciilifeform: diametric: an adequate trng is incredibly easy to build. but don't use adc noise on a general-purpose micro - is heavy on quantization bias, and easy to nudge from outside.
mircea_popescu: !up notsakamoto
notsakamoto: sup
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ah yea i see.
asciilifeform: and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2014#829585 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2014 18:04:31; asciilifeform: diametric: FST-01 << useful for many purposes, but not crypto. on account of being reflashable via usb.
asciilifeform loves the log, friend of the lazy man
ben_vulpes: fuck. you. freenode.
mircea_popescu: kdomanski i have nfi how they presume to act as if the tanks are the problem. no, the us general staff, from the chief to the cleaning lady are the problem. hanged all of them.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ikr ?
ben_vulpes: *months* of uptime and then what is this?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes this is a soft system being attacked.
notsakamoto: rumor has it ethereum selling 1/2 their holdings to pay for dev. 15,000 btc hitting market soon
nubbins`: ben_vulpes get what ya pay for ;)
mircea_popescu: rumor has it that the scam in question only exists as an attempt to pull this sort of manipulation.
mircea_popescu: nobdy here gives a shit, on account of us being both richer and more powerful than the usg.
ben_vulpes: ah that's awesome
ben_vulpes: three hundred dollar coins by the end of summer?
notsakamoto: mp; u think its scam? unlikely. vitalik is trustworthy
ben_vulpes: no he's a moronic kid
nubbins`: 300? pricey
mircea_popescu: notsakamoto don't be a fuckwit and read the logs.
ben_vulpes: and a worse programmer than i
mircea_popescu: !down notsakamoto
nubbins`: dat down
mircea_popescu: minimum effort bs.
mircea_popescu: i miss the days of spring, back when they were paying romanian loser starvation wages to try their noob psychology on here.
ThickAsThieves: viva la serenisima!
mircea_popescu: yeah well, when someone takes three divisions worth off tanks from my own hands we can revisit this topic.
mircea_popescu: the us is by now that loser kid everyone "borrow" things from, and he doesn't mind if you'll just be his friend.
mircea_popescu: THAT is hitting the market soon. gl with the nasdaq.
ThickAsThieves: wall st took nice dump today
ThickAsThieves: TSLA down 9%
mircea_popescu: no dude, tesla is trustworthy.
BingoBoingo: https://atc.blockr.io/tx/info/9b05a3c067c172fb44c563b0fb1e203e929081f945a47245ec1c0b6a967ec21a
nubbins`: heh
mircea_popescu: maybe they hire butterdik
BingoBoingo: ^ P2Pool mined an ATC Block
ThickAsThieves: Musk was repeatedly telling people the shit is overpriced
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo is it its 2nd ?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yeah musk is actually remarkably clean for the shit he's in.
BingoBoingo: Well First on this instance, but yeah, second overall I believe
ben_vulpes: "shit he's in" << what shit is this? bed with the USG?
ThickAsThieves: car biz
nubbins`: ^
mircea_popescu: well yeah, selling stuff on glbse, selling stuff on wallstreet, what the hell's the difference.
nubbins`: cars are greasy, it comes off on your hands real easy
chalbersma: https://atc.blockr.io/block/info/45165 was the earlier one but we reset all the p2pool data in earlier testing.
ThickAsThieves: he's also in solar, which is a quiet little goldmine these days
ThickAsThieves: he's South African, heh
chalbersma: https://atc.blockr.io/address/info/1Kz5QaUPDtKrj5SqW5tFkn7WZh8LmQaQi4 is forrestv's address and all p2pool block send at least 1 satoshi to his address. Someone apparently had a p2pool instance going earlier (or was randomly transfering him 1 statoshis.
mircea_popescu: who is forrestv ?
BingoBoingo: Oh lulzy site notsakamoto had in his hostmask http://blackcoinsquare.org/
assbot: Home | BlackCoin BLKFeed - BlackCoin Digital Current Information HQ
BingoBoingo: Blackcoin moon spaceship apparently next year
chalbersma: He's the guy who created p2pool.https://github.com/forrestv/p2pool
ThickAsThieves: how will all the anonycoins fit in one moonship tho?
nubbins`: trailers
mircea_popescu: i can't fucking believe scientificamerican seriously is advocating making tanks run windows.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is wrong with that country already
BingoBoingo: I thought they already ran Windows CE or some shit.
kdomanski: mircea_popescu: wat? URL?
chalbersma: Well if they ran FreeBSD they'd never breakdown.
chalbersma: :)
ThickAsThieves: sometimes i feel like unconvertible Excel files are the only reason MS still exists
mircea_popescu: kdomanski your own link from earlier.
mircea_popescu: "timed expiration" and such bs. "let's make it work more like windows me"
kdomanski: oh that
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves nah, the vast and growing population of useless office drones is the reason. they can be kept busy doing nothing which is the point.
ThickAsThieves: well can we at least convert them to ChromeOS or someshit
mircea_popescu: javatank
ThickAsThieves: i guess theyll all be in iOS soon
mircea_popescu: that'd be some awesome battlefield.
BingoBoingo: Ubuntank
ben_vulpes: BSDank
chalbersma: Introducing iTank! The most friendly and easy to use Tank every invented. Just take civillians put them infront of the intiutive iTarget system and choose the enemy to iKill.
mircea_popescu: iKll
chalbersma: *Occassionaly spits out naked photos of Jennifer Lawerence*
mircea_popescu: short for not really killed because killing is bad mkay
kdomanski: mircea_popescu: the article's author is a lawyer specializing in technology law and a member of Senate Whatever Comittee of Inteligence, go figure
mircea_popescu: kdomanski yeah, he's so clearly doing one of those faux-editorial advocacy pieces where some captured "intellectual" is workign to cover the scandalous govt acquisition from some company
mircea_popescu: you can tell them from a mile away. mostly because while they make no sense, they proceed liniarly in a way that's not warranted by their internal logic.
ThickAsThieves: wag the dog
mircea_popescu: yeah.
mircea_popescu: "this is a plant made out of cells that could not stand on their own, and if they did would form a circle pattern. it's macropattern is linear. clearly there's something external hodling it all in place"
ThickAsThieves: i have some cows that shit circles
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo so what is this forrestv thing, does the guy have like a little leak programmed into the code ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: X-Rob: I've rented hash and pointed it there for 48 hours. Hopefully this drives the pool diff up or... << i don't get it, the pool diff can't be arbitrarily set ?
chalbersma: @mircea_popescu let me see if I can find an explanation of it.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I think it is just the guy who developed this thing hardcoded donations to himself.
mircea_popescu: o.O
mircea_popescu: wtf bs code is this.
BingoBoingo: Which at 1 satoshi per block seems largely symbolic and unspendable
mircea_popescu: that's not the point. the point is that if we discover this sort of shit by running it, who the fuck knows what else is in there
mircea_popescu: and moreover, i'm not promoting this sort of behaviour.
chalbersma: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=18313.150;wap2 Here's an explanation of it. His address is in the code manually for donations.
assbot: [3500 TH] p2pool: Decentralized, DoS-resistant, Hop-Proof pool
mircea_popescu: chalbersma so why did you leave that in there ?
chalbersma: I added the minimum to make the code work. It can be changed in the future.
mircea_popescu: you added the minimum what ?
ThickAsThieves: change the payout to something cooler
nubbins`: effort
ThickAsThieves: b-a doesnt have a proper nonprofit to give to
ThickAsThieves: asbbot i guess
ThickAsThieves: or b-a.com
mircea_popescu: chalbersma did you know about this originally or did you discover it through reading up on it once people spotted it earlier ?
BingoBoingo: Bitbet Donations...
chalbersma: Noticed it with the first block and looked it up. 1 satoshi per block seemed harmless enough.
mircea_popescu: chalbersma always a good idea to say, and to ask.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the forum says .25 donated by default. did you change that or what ?
ThickAsThieves: lol traders blaming BTCUSD price on United Way now
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 467.02, Best ask: 468.37, Bid-ask spread: 1.35000, Last trade: 468.4, 24 hour volume: 6783.74875283, 24 hour low: 465.31, 24 hour high: 479.62, 24 hour vwap: 473.493207448
chalbersma: Only if you leave the default donation is the .25 per block given. I've set the manual donation to 0.
asciilifeform: hardcoded 'donation' << lulz. it's 2011 again!
mircea_popescu: ic.
ThickAsThieves: whats the difference between hardcoded donation and bitcoin wallet hacker virus?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform birdy in my ear whispers there's a legitimate reason for that thing. specifically, division errors.
ThickAsThieves: documentation?
mircea_popescu: if you have to split 5 apples equally between tim and mary easiest approach is to eat an apple.
asciilifeform: the original 'salami slicer' thief, if i recall, stole the rounding error at a large bank.
mircea_popescu: yup.
mircea_popescu: course that was 2 digit rounding error, not 8 digit.
kdomanski: <ThickAsThieves> b-a doesnt have a proper nonprofit to give to << how about Electronic Frontier Foundation?
ThickAsThieves: they havent passed my sniff test
mircea_popescu: actually, there's going to be the deeds registrar faucet
kdomanski: I see
mircea_popescu: there's also kako's beer fund
mircea_popescu: and if/when we make our own freenode there's going to be that
ThickAsThieves: that sounds like a good fund
asciilifeform contributed
ThickAsThieves: Free Freenode!
mircea_popescu: so save up the pennies, charitable charities coming soon
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BingoBoingo: !b 3 ✂︎
ThickAsThieves: i liked the vanads project, but in reality i find myself being quite preoccupied with removing advertising from my life
ThickAsThieves: gos bless america
ThickAsThieves: d
nubbins`: all about the posters
ThickAsThieves: posters i still enjoy
mircea_popescu: myeah, humane ads are like humane rape. a tough sell in the best of cases.
ThickAsThieves: i'm such an old man about it too, we were in the plane and the screen on the seat just starts playing video ads
ThickAsThieves: i was all offended
ThickAsThieves: we're waiting to take off and they are milking me?
ThickAsThieves: fukn hell
mircea_popescu: at some point in tm they tried to introduce ad screens in cabs.
nubbins`: keep turning em back on when you put the brightness all the way down too
mircea_popescu: i stopped the car, got out and spent the next hour screaming at people on the phone.
ThickAsThieves: in NY the cabs all have "news" playing
mircea_popescu: it... never took off.
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ThickAsThieves: 817? weird
ThickAsThieves: kis that what it was last xmas?
ThickAsThieves: nope
mike_c: this one is 1,164. http://bitbet.us/bet/1033/btc-tops-all-time-high-before-christmas/ feels redundant.
assbot: BitBet - BTC tops all time high before Christmas :: 0.3 B (8%) on Yes, 3.42 B (92%) on No | closing in 2 months 3 weeks | weight: 84`293 (100`000 to 1`000)
BingoBoingo: http://www.gomerblog.com/2014/09/amantia/
assbot: Super Mario in Critical Condition, Mistakenly ate Amanita for 1-UP Mushroom - Medical Satire - GomerBlog
mircea_popescu: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=buzzfeed << we continue our maddox appreciation day.
asciilifeform: 'buzzfeed' ?? << no idea what it is/was, but can't escape images of folks being slowly fed into buzzing woodchipper
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BingoBoingo: !b 1 ✂︎
asciilifeform: and, also related, 'kill switch' must only be a switch that kills someone when pressed.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform buzzfeed is hot topic for the web.
asciilifeform: just as, in the words of an old sage, 'a kill file is simply a file containing list of people you are going to have killed.'
mircea_popescu: at least that's how i use it.
mircea_popescu: not to be confused with a bucket list.
asciilifeform: list of persons to be drowned in bucket ?
mircea_popescu: a bucket list being the list of things the assholes in question were hoping to do before i got to them.
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asciilifeform: !b 3 ✂︎
mircea_popescu: "TGI Friday's (often shortened to "Friday's" in most countries, previously stylized as "T.G.I. Friday's", and stylized "FRiDAY'S", or "T.G.I.s" in Ireland and the United Kingdom) is an American restaurant chain focusing on casual dining."
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is "asual dining"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Fast Food, but they make you wait for it.
mircea_popescu: bwahaha
BingoBoingo: McDonalds Food, but in a venue purporting to be a restaurant
mircea_popescu: but... why ?
mircea_popescu: location and tabletime costs more than fucking food.
mircea_popescu: why not go the other way wtf is with this puritan hate of pleasure and enjoyment for crying out loud.
BingoBoingo: Well, America hasn't had a Rochester yet.
mircea_popescu: yeah, yet. totally, that's happening.
BingoBoingo: So we're still stuck with Cromwell's legacy
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: eat an american bar of chocolate.
mircea_popescu: noty.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: or better, pay some wretch to eat it
mircea_popescu: hershey won't even kill dogs.
asciilifeform: erzats.
mircea_popescu: it's ersatz unless you're hungarian
BingoBoingo: !s New Reno
assbot: 2 results for 'New Reno' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=New+Reno
mircea_popescu: hungarians are allowed to sz zs all over the place
asciilifeform: now, having done step 1 (american chocolate) - step 2 is to eat some 'premium' american chocolate.
asciilifeform: notice that it is almost exactly the same substance.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform us "belgian" chocolates are pretty awful too.
asciilifeform: them, yes
asciilifeform: specifically.
mircea_popescu: i suspect they're about as belgian as haagen dasz
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-07-2014#762111 << You said yourself you were planning a trip eventually ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 20-07-2014 08:41:26; mircea_popescu: maybe i visit after the fall. play fallout in new reno irl or some4thing.
asciilifeform: and when you understand why, will also understand why 'casual dining' is a thing
asciilifeform: the consumer - demands.
mircea_popescu: demands my foot. nobody demands bad chocolate.
asciilifeform: these people - do.
mircea_popescu: i will not believe.
asciilifeform: go ahead, catch one, try to feed it actual chocolate.
mircea_popescu: the power of savarin compells you
mircea_popescu: QUIT THIS BODY!
mircea_popescu: choxorcism.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i srsly never met a us born/bred woman that had trouble with good chocolate.
mircea_popescu: even the more exotic 92% dark romanian stuff
mircea_popescu: (it's bitter)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: your filter is working correctly, then.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's ersatz unless you're hungarian << or russian... >> эрзац.
mircea_popescu: dude you got colonised by hungarians
mircea_popescu: what's wrong with эрсац
mircea_popescu: ;;google эрсац
gribble: No matches found.
mircea_popescu: o.O
asciilifeform: see.
asciilifeform: hell, try jp., where president. Biru Kurintonu.
mircea_popescu: nowai, it exists. http://www.kleo.ru/webboard/wifeschool/archive-2005-10/davajte-pogovorim-o-prekrasnom-2958551.shtml
assbot: ))) | |
mircea_popescu: lol picassbot
ben_vulpes: <ThickAsThieves> we're waiting to take off and they are milking me? << lol you should hear lady v on the topic
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes your filter is functioning correctly.
mircea_popescu: (let's play your filter is functioning correctly tag)
asciilifeform: yfifc.
mircea_popescu: ;;ud yfifc
gribble: Google found nothing.
mircea_popescu: http://www.yfyfc.org.uk/ :D
assbot: Yorkshire Federation of Young Farmers' Clubs - Yorkshire Federation of Young Farmers' Clubs
asciilifeform: 'what's yer little ship's name?' 'the hero.' 'ain't ever been such a ship.' 'ain't been - will be now.'
ben_vulpes: what is this reference mircea_popescu ?
mircea_popescu: like ten lines up in the log.
mircea_popescu: but basically, chocolate and womenz.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00075138 = 3.2309 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: subject of women
ben_vulpes: the office brides have asserted that "retarded" is not okay
ben_vulpes: assert*
ben_vulpes: so to pique them we now say "poorly engineered"
ben_vulpes: frequently with a...pregnant pause.
asciilifeform: office brides ?
mircea_popescu: why would you say something longer ?
asciilifeform: !up DiabloD3
DiabloD3: okay so
DiabloD3: office brides?
mircea_popescu: seems to me "female" is a good substitution for "retarded" for the company of females that think retarded's retarded.
ben_vulpes: to pique irk and troll
DiabloD3: Im thinking, like, the 50s style office maidens
DiabloD3: that brought you coffee and donuts and blowjobs
mircea_popescu: generally, whenever someone complains whatever they complain about should be replaced by something that's about a degree of magnitude more likely to bother them personally.
ben_vulpes: yeah but only when the contractors arent around
DiabloD3: before all this fucking "women's rights" shit ruined it for everybody
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: that's the point of using "poorly engineered"
mircea_popescu: aok
ben_vulpes: they know we're saying the same thing.
DiabloD3: seriously, I know women who would be fired for sexual harassment of men
DiabloD3: and it'd be a legitimate firing
mircea_popescu: hai DiabloD3
DiabloD3: the upper brass would just shut that whole thing down
DiabloD3: so to tell me women aren't willing participants in the whole office thing is bullshit
DiabloD3: there are many women who get off on men with power, and it is not our right as a society on who is allowed to get off on what (outside of bestiality and pedophilia and catholics
DiabloD3: )
mircea_popescu: was this a prepared statement ?
DiabloD3: no
DiabloD3: its a work in progress
ben_vulpes: grains?
mircea_popescu: there also little girls who get off on men with power.
mircea_popescu: anywhere between all and each and every last one of them.
Diablo-D3: there are also men who get off on women with power
Diablo-D3: and thats totally okay too
Diablo-D3: everyone should know what they get off to, and get off to it frequently
mircea_popescu: actually a lot of men get off on not getting to get off frequently
mircea_popescu: or at all.
nubbins`: wat
mircea_popescu: nubbins` more cock cages sold last year than iphones.
ben_vulpes: bs
nubbins`: ehh, more farts than kisses
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes how would you know ? you don't check people's peckers do you ?
mircea_popescu: IMBATABLE ARGUMENT!!! ty homophobia!
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BingoBoingo: !b 5 ✂︎
BingoBoingo: Wait, now we know how MP retired the first time with all the money.
mircea_popescu: we do ?
nubbins`: yeah, PR wrote a tell-all book
mircea_popescu: my pr back then could benchpress a car.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You sold all of the cock cages
mircea_popescu: and im pretty definitely certain wrote no books
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 155 @ 0.01039978 = 1.612 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: this country has the world's stupidest mosquitoes.
mircea_popescu: by the way : chloroform can be trivially manufactured out of either acetone (nail polish remover) or ethanol through addition of chlorine bleach.
ben_vulpes: wow!
mircea_popescu: it is difficult to store, because if air gets to it they make phosgene and hcl ; however it can be trivially washed in a solution of baking soda, which removes the decomposition products safely.
mircea_popescu: lethal dose is 45 grams, which is just about 1 mol, or ~22 liters of pure, unconstricted gas.
mircea_popescu: mmm no. it's like 120g/mol. 1/3 of a mol, like 7 liters.
chalbersma: mp. I've been looking at the bit that donation transaction that generates the donation to forrestv's address. I've found one alternative p2pool implementation that had a different coinbase script but I'm not sure how to generate it. I'll have to look more into it tomorrow.
kdomanski: s/unconstricted/1 atm. pressure/
mircea_popescu: ;;tslb
gribble: Error: Problem retrieving latest block data.
mircea_popescu: kdomanski well yeah.
mircea_popescu: someone has to explain to me why both coinbase (10 minute) and bitpay (15 minute) use this idiotic "expiring invoice" model.
mircea_popescu: what is it supposed to do ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Craetes room for them to be scammy fucks
mircea_popescu: well that yes
mircea_popescu: but i mean, bitbet works just fine without expiring addresses
BingoBoingo: Do they needs another reason?
mircea_popescu: yet there's a whole collection of reddit wailers derping about how bitbet is a scam and ty bitpay for having fixed your X error that cost me my business you're such a great company.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is wrong with people.
chalbersma: It gives the donation address a satoshi and any leftover satoshi's after dividing between the active shares to that address too.
chalbersma: I think.
mircea_popescu: chalbersma suppose you just re-write it so it gives that to the highest ranking address.
mircea_popescu: it's nice supporting foss authors and everything, but i doubt the guy can or would spend atc.
decimation: diametric: I agree with asciilifeform re: that FST-01 device for TRNG - there are just too many potential gotchas with a low-quality ADC, why bother when a much simpler circuit would suffice?
decimation: also if you are using an adc you are going to want careful signal separation and shielding like asciilifeform implied.
decimation: random pcb hanging off a usb shell does not qualify
decimation: all that being said it looks like a fun little toy
asciilifeform: decimation: scores of similar toys (usb plus cheap micro on a 'keychain') exist.
asciilifeform: why that particular one is being pushed 'for crypto!' - mystery.
chalbersma: mp I'll take a look at it but I'm not entirely sure how to do it. I'll have to read more into the procedure of generating that coinbase.
mircea_popescu: it is after all a learning exercise.
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah if one is going to play with uC on a usb stick, might as well hack a usb storage card use the controller, because cheap
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> but i mean, bitbet works just fine without expiring addresses < cause bb has to do with fiat as much as well.. with fiat.
asciilifeform: decimation: cheap but i/o-poor.
decimation: but storage rich :)
kakobrekla: dunno why that needs to be pointed out.
asciilifeform: and afaik there's exactly one brand known to work for that experiment
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla the implication being that what exactly ? your weight is their fiat.
mircea_popescu: what of it ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.0103 = 0.515 BTC [-]
decimation: asciilifeform: I suspect nearly all brands have such controllers, the fun part is learning how to access backdoor
kakobrekla: well, its hard to pay for 90% of the car
chalbersma: Indeed it is a learning exercise.
asciilifeform: decimation: a good deal of the really dirt-cheapo chinese stuff has mask rom.
mircea_popescu: "here is the address to pay to. if you pay in the next 10 minutes, you need to pay this much. if you don't and the price moves in your favour expect change in your originating address ; if it moves against you expect a new invoice generated for the difference"
mircea_popescu: does not take any genius
mircea_popescu: then you can just send 1 even for a .75 invoice if you absolutely must have it filled, and take .2whatever in change when it happens
kakobrekla: too complicated for _people_, better to take the exchange risk for a few min
mircea_popescu: and supposedly these things hire engineers and have ceos and market value. psssssst
decimation: asciilifeform: with pictures! http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=2946
assbot: Where USB Memory Sticks are Born « bunnie's blog
asciilifeform: yes that one.
mircea_popescu: yeah right, too complicated, let's make it not work.
mircea_popescu: relying on a 10 minute interval when blocks are routinely a half hour, help me rwanda.
kakobrekla: also bitbet addresses expire after 3 days if unused or when bet is closed.
mircea_popescu: sure.
mircea_popescu: 3 days, you know what i'm saying ?
kakobrekla: no
mircea_popescu: brothel1 : if you fail to spend in 10 minutes, there's a surcharge. brothel2 : if you fail to spend in 3 days, there's a... nevermind.
mircea_popescu: we just give you the girl.
kakobrekla: but they wait zero conf
mircea_popescu: even better o.O
mircea_popescu: basically they picked a solution that fell out of the fail tree and hit every branch down
kakobrekla: i dont see it as much problematic
mircea_popescu: and they BOTH did it, hurray for us-style "competition" ==== "industry best practices"
decimation: re: microsoft paying $2bn for mojang: I saw the news this morning and lol'ed. $3.2 bn for nest, $2bn for mojang; only $3 bn for high-power specialty manufacturer that has $1bn in revenue per year
kakobrekla: they sell coins on bitstamp
kakobrekla: when 0 conf hits the shit
kakobrekla: if its not confirmed
kakobrekla: buy coins back
mircea_popescu: not really my problem, they'll learn some lessons in fragility once anyone gives enough of a shit.
mircea_popescu: and they won't be able to get out of it by aggitating the "us legislation" dog, nobody cares.
mircea_popescu: this isn't fiatbankland.
asciilifeform: decimation: nest:
asciilifeform: !s merit wash
assbot: 7 results for 'merit wash' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=merit+wash
asciilifeform: decimation: don't 'confuse the warm with the soft.'
mircea_popescu: decimation that's not even the problem. all those together ? worth half a watsapp.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is that thing even
asciilifeform: decimation: very different purposes for the two kinds of purchase.
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah agreed. Although to mojang's credit they apparently make $240 mn per year. Yeah I forgot whatsapp
asciilifeform: in one, they actually buy something vaguely useful. in another - launder usd.
asciilifeform: somebody's idiot yacht-sailing son needed an extra $B.
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu 99% of online betting/shopping volume doesnt know what 'originating address' could possibly be.
kakobrekla: and this wont change
mircea_popescu: yes, it would change, if "industry best practices" were aimed at best
kakobrekla: not drastically
mircea_popescu: rather than at worst.
mircea_popescu: but no, why not try and microsoft all over bitcoin and then wonder why people hate you.
kakobrekla: which people
kakobrekla: not the one i mentioned before
mircea_popescu: "we're a bitcoin company that's trying to make bitcoin work as badly as possible, and fail that as closely approximative of fiat as possible. because reasons. please invest."
decimation: it would be nice if each dollar 'committed' in this spending were marked with the number of hands that held the dollar since being printed by the Fed
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i was using the term people in the limited sense of "people in bitcoin", not in the general sense of "mouthbreather kept on life support by usg"
mircea_popescu: my bad.
kakobrekla: bb is not a sheep company. bitpay is a sheep company. there are more sheep around than non sheep. by count, sheep company is hated less.
mircea_popescu: look, your whole argument is based on the entirely insane proposition that "people could never know what an originating address is"
mircea_popescu: they managed to not delete their wallet, right ?
kakobrekla: only a few.
mircea_popescu: yes well.
kakobrekla: from a group that is already small as it is.
mircea_popescu: nonsense. there is absolutely no reason to cater to idiocy.
mircea_popescu: the argument that "people demand" is fallacious,.
mircea_popescu: people would still demand huts and saddles if anyone asked them.
mircea_popescu: there's no intrinsic reason to buy soap, nor any good reason not to eat the soap you bought, on the strength of this approach.
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> nonsense. there is absolutely no reason to cater to idiocy. < broad statement. totally depends what ones goal is
mircea_popescu: the only reason "people demand" pop music and buzzfeed derpage is because that's what mtv and buzzfeed want to sell.
decimation: "my customers would have wanted a faster horse"
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yes. if one's goal is not to shit where one eats, then there's no incentive to cater to idiocy. if on the contrary, then on the contrary.
mircea_popescu: the bitpay/coinbase invoice model is basically doing everything from the perspective of "what's the most we could do so bitcoin never works"
decimation: http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/15297-if-i-had-asked-people-what-they-wanted-they-would
assbot: Quote by Henry Ford: If I had asked people what they wanted, they wo...
kakobrekla: yeah well those cars werent much better
mircea_popescu: decimation note the change of apple, from the ipad 1 "fuck you, it's not going to come in white" to the ipad 6 "we're doing what the customers think they want"
decimation: kakobrekla has a point, he did make shit cars
mircea_popescu: it narrowly maps the makeover from "a good place to invest" to "a good thing to short"
decimation: on the other hand, what has happened to apple is clearly the result of one man passing
mircea_popescu: not just one man. the man with something to say. there was never anything of any value or utility come from listening "to people" and "their needs"
mircea_popescu: the fuck do people know what their needs are, you might as well be the veterinarian that offers pet-managed pet care.
decimation: the third estate was represented by the bourgeois lawyers who were 'of the people'
decimation: another rambling example: http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2014/09/14/roger-martin-how-the-talent-turned-into-vampires/
assbot: Roger Martin: How 'The Talent' Turned Into Vampires - Forbes
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> the fuck do people know what their needs are, you might as well be the veterinarian that offers pet-managed pet care. << Time to go long on bacon as dogs move over to a diet of pork and more pork
decimation: the forbes 'article' (forbes < daily mail) is an example of a blind man feeling the bloated government elephant and declaring it to be a large plum
mircea_popescu: who's roger martin
decimation: no idea
nubbins`: james bond
mircea_popescu: i remember a time when newspapers were worth reading, they came in wet ink and you knew the names of the editors.
decimation: "These questions are being raised, not in some anti-capitalist rag from the extreme Left, but in the staid pro-business pages of the Harvard Business Review, in a seminal article by Roger Martin, the former dean of the Rotman School of Business and the academic director of the Martin Prosperity Institute: “The Rise and (Likely) Fall of the Talent Economy.”"
decimation: I skimmed that paragraph apparently
decimation: as if Harvard has anything to say about how actual (non-bezzle) business is run
mircea_popescu: wasn;t that lead by the very picturesque Richard Florida ?!
decimation: heh maybe, he's all about derping on homosexual urban planning
kakobrekla: also imho over 50% of bitcoin users do not even have access to their own private keys.
mircea_popescu: guy being well tied into theatlantic and all that.
mircea_popescu: you've stumbled on the very heart of the somethingawful forums over there.
kakobrekla: means no return payment possibru.
kakobrekla: unless you complicate it further, like bb does.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla acting as if this is a thing makes it a thing. not a good idea.
decimation: http://www.theatlantic.com/richard-florida/
assbot: Richard Florida - Authors - The Atlantic
mircea_popescu: so, yes, quite as anticapitalist rag as it gets
asciilifeform: death of apple << obligatory crackpot rant >> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=132
assbot: Loper OS » Non-Apple’s Mistake
decimation: "Moreover in a recent report from the Aspen Institute, which convened a cross-section of business thought leaders, including both executives and academics, the most important finding is that a majority of the thought leaders who participated in the study, particularly corporate executives, agreed that “the primary purpose of the corporation is to serve customers’ interests.” In effect, the best way to serve shareholders’
decimation: interests is to deliver value to customers."
kakobrekla: good or bad it takes the pain away for the _people_. and _people_ will always chose pleasure over pain.
mircea_popescu: no, it doesn't.
mircea_popescu: !up boolrap
kakobrekla: less brain is used, therefore it does.
boolrap: hi
TheNewDeal: hedge funds extract value. gotta be shitting me
asciilifeform: boolrap: damn it find your key
TheNewDeal: one of the few industries where your pay is truly related to your success
boolrap: well i know where it is
boolrap: its just too far away
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla how is less brain used ?
asciilifeform: boolrap: buried it in the garden ?
boolrap: nope
boolrap: im at the place with real internet
asciilifeform: ahaha
mircea_popescu: how the fuck are "academics" thought leaders
mircea_popescu: what thefuck fantasy land is this.
kakobrekla: more brain is needed to complete a bb payment than to bpay payment. im to lazy to list all the details, but its there.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla not true.
mircea_popescu: with bb, you need the address, send the payment, are done.
mircea_popescu: with cb/bp you need the address, then you need to watch it make sure it went through
mircea_popescu: then you need to write support in the 50% of cases it did not go throught
mircea_popescu: 10x as much brainpower wasted.
kakobrekla: you need to select between 2 options. now you need to understand both and on top make a decision. if you opt for the second one, you also need to fetch the return address, since you dont understand what originating fucking address is.
decimation: asciilifeform: re: apple phone clones << still no qwerty-keyboard phone released recently as far as I know
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you can safely ignore all that
mircea_popescu: after your first payment fails for whatever reason, you get a full node client, pre 0.7 and run that.
mircea_popescu: takes you 20 minutes, helps the network, all further thinking is not needed.
kakobrekla: 20 min + 10 days
mircea_popescu: it's not the case anymore
mircea_popescu: try it sometime.
TheNewDeal: why does cb have to watch the address
TheNewDeal: just send and forget
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal tis in teh log
TheNewDeal: !s teh log
assbot: 35 results for 'teh log' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=teh+log
kakobrekla: i hear from people who i sent to use the thing
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i hear from people "using" coinbase.
mircea_popescu: so do you.
mircea_popescu: that spring water has complaints does not mean sprite doesn't have 500x that many complaints.
mircea_popescu: "Florida's theory asserts that metropolitan regions with high concentrations of technology workers, artists, musicians, lesbians and gay men, and a group he describes as "high bohemians", exhibit a higher level of economic development."
mircea_popescu: this guy is fucking epic.
mircea_popescu: "move to florida, people live longer there"
boolrap: so if there are more gays and lesbians the GDP will be huge?
mircea_popescu: it's not that the lesbians flock to the places where rich people live, because they need that trickle down effect to survive in their incredibly inefficient lifestyle.
decimation: he's communist who is a living mockery of communism
mircea_popescu: boolrap well, you could export all the pronz the chinese could ever want
mircea_popescu: in exchange for the dildos used in the making of.
boolrap: thats alot of dildos
mircea_popescu: "With the rise of Google, the gurus of Web 2.0, and the call from business leaders (often seen in publications such as Business 2.0) for a more creative, as well as skilled, workforce, Florida asserts that the contemporary relevance of his research is easy to see."
mircea_popescu: this guy is basically a 9gag meme.
decimation: mircea_popescu: there's a whole 'gentrification theory' based on gays moving to a neighborhood full of swarthy thugs and making it 'safe' for women and children
mircea_popescu: seriously, gurus of web2.0 ?
mircea_popescu: decimation looking forward to the special cosplay division of the nypd
mircea_popescu: "catching bad guys through wearing spiderman suits"
boolrap: yeah i heard that before
boolrap: how if you have a gay uncle you are more likely to do well and reproduce because its like having another mom around.
decimation: it's a classic case of cum hoc ergo propter hoc
mircea_popescu: without even any cum
decimation: heh
mircea_popescu: boolrap more moms around are a benefit now ?!
boolrap: im not sure
mircea_popescu: i seriously never met anyone who regretted not having more mom.
mircea_popescu: as far as i know, 99% of it is "i wish i had a dad"
boolrap: haha
boolrap: i think ur dad is more likely to take you out and get u killed.
mircea_popescu: either for not having one at all, or for having had one that was too close to a mom
mircea_popescu: and as far as womenz are concerned, they generally wish they had no mom at all anyway.
boolrap: why
boolrap: i dont see this.
mircea_popescu: ask a teenager sometime.
boolrap: well
boolrap: they grow out of it
mircea_popescu: not the point now is it.
kakobrekla: there are also psychological effects - i wonder if we would see a diff if i added a fake 5 min timer at the last step of the bet address request.
kakobrekla: prolly too much noise.
mircea_popescu: even bob florida will eventually grow out of it, mostly by being dead.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla prolly, but meh. asshole move.
TheNewDeal: ;;lastblock
gribble: Error: "lastblock" is not a valid command.
TheNewDeal: ;;timesincelastblock
gribble: Error: "timesincelastblock" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: ;;tslb
mircea_popescu: and it's broken
boolrap: so speaking of women
boolrap: what kind of cake
boolrap: are you eating tonight
gribble: Time since last block: 7 minutes and 17 seconds
decimation: lol Florida: "Washington’s economy has clearly prospered from federal spending; lobbying and government contracts are significant sources of its wealth. But its economy is not entirely or even predominantly parasitic. "
boolrap: mircea_popescu: what % of your womens time is spent for meals?
mircea_popescu: say about 45 minutes a day ?
mircea_popescu: mebbe an hour, make it round
boolrap: hrm
boolrap: do they all prepare meals together?
mircea_popescu: and mind you i have exactly no appliances here.
boolrap: what do you mean no appliances, you have to make a fire to cook your meals?
mircea_popescu: boolrap depends. but in general, unless you're making something like strudel it doesn't take that long to fix a meal.
mircea_popescu: boolrap well obviously, i mean, no kitchen robots and the like.
hanbot: kakobrekla how about people who need a timer don't get to bet
boolrap: no blenders?
hanbot: otherwise you'll end up sewing bitbet seatbelts and gluing do not eat labels and...
boolrap: how is the food over there?
mircea_popescu: pretty great.
boolrap: whats in season right now, its spring time soon ?
mircea_popescu: and no, no blenders, handmade mayo, etc.
boolrap: right, the way it should be
mircea_popescu: the winter rarely frosts, so really everything's in season.
boolrap: i see
boolrap: yeah i could not live there, i need winter time
boolrap: to be harsh
boolrap: not terribly harsh just, several blizzards every year would be great.
decimation: I wonder how many folks 'commute' between hemispheres to avoid winter
boolrap: i think if you do it 10 times you get transported to another world
mircea_popescu: decimation it's not really worth it. plenty of places where there's no winter. go to san jose, cr, problem solved.
mircea_popescu: commuting gets obnoxious.
decimation: true. travel wears a man down
kakobrekla: hanbot sure one can be like that. but dunno how can we be so naive, if you read logs you must be aware ascii listed countless superior tech solutions that ended up in the trash bin or forgotten.
mircea_popescu: there's a difference between the babies dead of neglect in 1905 and the baby dieing of neglect right now.
mircea_popescu: this one audibly screams.
kakobrekla: dunno, 'right now' is totally biased.
mircea_popescu: true.
mircea_popescu: decimation http://www.weather.gov.hk/wxinfo/climat/world/eng/s_america/mx_cam/san_jose_e.htm << there you igo.
assbot: Climatological Normals of San Jose
mircea_popescu: land of perpetual spring.
mircea_popescu: varies from 21.2 to 23.0
decimation: sounds like tyrannical sameness to me
mircea_popescu: minimums 17ish, maximums 28ish
mircea_popescu: well, no winter.
mircea_popescu: always spring.
mircea_popescu: it's quite lovely, especially if you feel like ruining spring for yourself.
mircea_popescu: by the principle "for every incredibly hot woman there's at least one guy totally sick of her ass"
decimation: perhaps the best climate is the most random one
boolrap: yeah i like something a bit more exciting
mircea_popescu: everyone vouches for whatever they were born in.
mircea_popescu: siberia or sahara, best is in the butt of the bestholder.
decimation: it would be interesting to analyze weather data with this in mind
decimation: yeah, I think the conditions of weather, population density, living arrangements, etc imprint themselves during childhood
mircea_popescu: something about tits.
decimation: !up boolrap
boolrap: tyty
mthreat: Top Gear is filming in Bariloche, Patagonia starting this week - http://autoblog.com.ar/2014/09/top-gear-argentina/
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decimation: clarkson needs to get off his lazy ass and make more episodes
mircea_popescu: mthreat you going ?
kakobrekla: my closing point is, its not enough to have 'the best product'. history is full of such examples.
TheNewDeal: better to have apple
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla true, depends in whose hands it is.
mthreat: mircea_popescu: we're going to patagonia, but in October....
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mircea_popescu: im sort-of thinking about it, but more like december
mircea_popescu: atm pleasantly cool here.
mthreat: ya. december and january are very hot here, and the "cortes de luz" (power outages) were a pain last year. Best time to get out in my opinion.
mircea_popescu: supposedly macri fixed everything
mircea_popescu: and he's going to run a budget without taxation or inflation too
mthreat: tempting to do a BitBet on that...
mthreat: "Dolarblue will reach 20 pesos by ...."
mircea_popescu: not a bad idea.
mircea_popescu: actually when is the election again ?
mthreat: 2015 right, for presidente
mthreat: not sure which month
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mircea_popescu: oct, not decided yet
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mircea_popescu: http://dolarblue.net/historico/
assbot: Precio Historico
decimation: nubbins`: lol
cazalla: mircea_popescu, i had planned to forum post past weekend, came down with flu so didn't get the chance, fever is the worst
mircea_popescu: sucks man.
cazalla: i'll get back to it once i'm better, prob a few more days
mircea_popescu: aite,
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you know i don't get this general conspiracy to stuff monkeys down kids' throats
mircea_popescu: there is little in nature more objectionable than a live monkey of any kind
mircea_popescu: but especially so a chimp.
nubbins`: sure, but the abstract idea of them is nice
mircea_popescu: i have no idea why they're not yet extinct, but it's right there on my list after mosquitoes.
nubbins`: look at how cute their tails are!
mircea_popescu: what's the abstract idea of them ?
mircea_popescu: hm.
nubbins`: a furry shape
mircea_popescu: so they did it for the cosplay ?
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BingoBoingo: !b 2 ✂︎
nubbins`: hey now
penguirker: New blog post: http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/hot-slanted-bets/
mircea_popescu: woot btcalpha is not dead
mircea_popescu: ok this is pretty cool.
mike_c: worth the wait
mircea_popescu: no way the 15% is hottest at 3 btc past 3 days ?!
mike_c: it was until 5 minutes ago
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/1043/bitcoin-817-or-above-before-christmas#b4 < over 3 just there
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mike_c: now it's second
mircea_popescu: o stale data ?
mike_c: no, that's the hottest on the analysis page. it just missed the publishing deadline.
mircea_popescu: aha
TheNewDeal: thanks to this guy
mircea_popescu: still, here's a q. Hot Bets ends around .1
mircea_popescu: Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment got .3 and isn't on there ?
mike_c: yeah it is
mike_c: in the middle
mircea_popescu: o was looking for .3 nm
mike_c: close bets is broken on that page atm.. will be fixed shortly. some fucking python 2.6 decimal bug.
mircea_popescu: pretty epic shit.
asciilifeform vaguely recalls the zoology lesson - if condemned to choose what animal to be locked with unarmed, and choices are chimp and, e.g., grizzly, or lion - pick the mega-carnivore. at least quick death.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'd choose the chimp and fucking maul it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nontrivial - chimp has >2x the strength of a man gram for gram (muscle fiber quirk. they get greater synchronicity in fiber motion in place of our precision.)
mircea_popescu: so ?
asciilifeform: so, to him we're sorta like plasticine.
mircea_popescu: since when the strong troglodyte got a chance ?
mircea_popescu: for one thing, he's the size of a 9 yo boy.
mircea_popescu: for the other thing, does it even know what a choke hold is ?
asciilifeform: http://ask.metafilter.com/146862/Could-anyone-beat-a-chimp-in-a-fight << 'debate'
assbot: Could anyone beat a chimp in a fight? - martial arts | Ask MetaFilter
asciilifeform: bear doesn't know what chokehold is, either...
mircea_popescu: "Back in the early half of the century, circuses used to hold fights between apes and the strongest men in the town they were touring through. The men were generally knocked unconscious just a few seconds into the fight, after the first blow from the ape."
mircea_popescu: !ape
mircea_popescu: wtf already.
asciilifeform: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/03/090330200829.htm
assbot: The Secret To Chimp Strength -- ScienceDaily
[]bot: Bet created: "Dolar Blue over 20 Argentine Pesos on or before Feast of the Immaculate Conception (Dec 8th)" http://bitbet.us/bet/1044/
asciilifeform did not personally measure chimp strength, cannot guarantee results.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform fun fact : the carpathian brown bear is just about human range. you'd get about one boy per generation per village that could wrestle a bear.
mircea_popescu: "And I bet that Mr. Lee can hit pretty hard. I'm wondering if his ability to block/dodge/fend off the chimpanzee would give him the advantage."
mircea_popescu: these people are idiots. why would i hit it.
asciilifeform digs for ancient report of zoologies who lost fingers, toes, nose, ears, eyes, cock to chimps in one evening. beasts he worked with for a decade, who decided to have some sudden fun.
asciilifeform: *zoologist
decimation: it seems the human's advantage in such a fight would be to rely on tools
mircea_popescu: ima eat the fucking monkey stop pestering me.
asciilifeform: tools >> good rifle.
mircea_popescu: i shook hands with chimps, they're not THAT strong for crying out loud.
decimation: precisely. or a shotgun if too close
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decimation: http://m.gazette.com/poachers-sought-in-death-of-bear-near-canon-city/article/1537586
assbot: Poachers sought in death of bear in Caon City | gazette.com
mircea_popescu: mthreat ^ if you care.
decimation: "Wildlife officials are offering a $2,000 reward for information leading to the capture of the poacher or poachers responsible for killing a black bear with a series of arrow strikes."
asciilifeform: 'stole this bear from the People of the State of Colorado.'
asciilifeform: lol!
decimation: asciilifeform: it's well settled in common law that the wildlife belongs to the king
asciilifeform: naturally.
mircea_popescu: good thing the bison was free game then
asciilifeform: and vox populi, vox Führer, at the risk of mixing things up a bit...
decimation: of course, in England the king could assign ownership of animals to the local barons
decimation: no one in the us is equal enough for such a privilege
mircea_popescu: fun fact : romanian baron (ion tiriac) owns hunting domain in romania, holds invite-only yearly event
TheNewDeal: canon city is where i go rock climbing ery yeare
mircea_popescu: romanian hipsters are enraged every year, pen poisonous op pieces for mags and rags
mircea_popescu: nobody cares.
mircea_popescu: i kinda like the guy for this reason alone.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ro brought back titles !?
mircea_popescu: nah, just the domains.
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: ;;google ion tiriac domeniu vinatoare
gribble: Comuna Balc, Bihor - Wikipedia: <http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comuna_Balc,_Bihor>; Vânătoarea de la Balc, organizată de Ion Ţiriac - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl_tyweEQGE>; Tiriac cumpara 3500 de hectare pentru vanatoare in Bozovici CS ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw5LZFESoDw>
mircea_popescu: and they kill shit too, tons of everything.
TheNewDeal: saw a black bear there 2 years ago, was a small one that was up in a tree, just about broke the branch it was on while reaching for some food
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: who complains? vegetarians ?
mircea_popescu: unlike the god forsaken plains to the south, romania has a great hunting history
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, town hipsters. the sort of kids that'd be on reddit if they could comprehend english
mircea_popescu: "creative" peoples.
mircea_popescu: web 2.0 gurus
mircea_popescu: that sorta crowd.
asciilifeform: lol!
decimation: ie those that eat meat but have never slain an animal
mircea_popescu: ^
mircea_popescu: and btw, the guy's right consists of his ownership of the land and the beasts in question
mircea_popescu: that is all.
decimation: he doesn't get any pr staff position in the ro government?
mircea_popescu: notrly.
mircea_popescu: his son was caught with a load of cocaine once
mike_c: ok, stupid bug squashed, close bets list working.
mircea_popescu: if you've seen true romance, something like that scene
mircea_popescu: but he got out on general barony privilege
mike_c: ;;later tell kakobrekla http://www.btcalpha.com/bitbet/
assbot: BitBet Overview - Btc Alpha
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: why'd they bring back baronies? 'fuse' ? (i.e. somebody for the next set of bolsheviks to guillotine, so normal people might escape ?)
mircea_popescu: no, just an earnest belief in feudalism.
decimation: relatedly, elsewhere in colorado the barons who own Anheiser Bush/InBev decided to purchase a town for their own amusement: http://blogs.denverpost.com/thespot/2014/09/15/bud-light-posts-first-whatever-usa-ad-youtube/112778/
assbot: Bud Light posts first Whatever USA ad on YouTube
asciilifeform vaguely recalls that firm was bankrupt not long ago ?
decimation: "Anheuser-Busch paid the town $500,000 to transform the mountain community into a Budweiser paradise as part of the beer giant’s “Up For Whatever” ad campaign."
decimation: Busch was bought out by euro-brewer InBev
asciilifeform: decimation: 500k buys a small house here where i live...
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah it's amusing how cheap/poor people are in the middle of nowhere usa
decimation: TheNewDeal: i've heard that black bears aren't so aggressive as long as you don't corner a cub
asciilifeform: middle of nowhere usa << antarctica, even cheaper.
TheNewDeal: We were playing games at night as a child, someone mistook a small bear cub for me, got real close, but nothing came of it
TheNewDeal: decimation ever seen pictures of that guy who would let a bear wrap its jaws around his head?
decimation: when I was a boy scout in my youth I went hiking up in Philmont in northern new mexico - they told horror stories of bears ripping open tents and mauling inhabitants because they could smell food or hygiene products
TheNewDeal: I've heard the same, or even women's menses
decimation: http://amarillo.com/stories/2000/07/26/usn_black.shtml "Drought has forced the bears to look for food at some of the ranch's backcountry camps used on hiking treks by Boy Scouts from across the United States."
TheNewDeal: damn
TheNewDeal: "The bear continued to roam around the campground. It was shot later that morning by a ranch employee." Nice transition
decimation: reminds me of that Herzog documentary "Happy People". One of the men they follow is a trapper who spends the Siberian winter alone in the taiga trapping animals. He said "I used to raise cattle, and I could never bring myself to slaughter them. Because there is, say, a bull. You raise him for two years. It comes to you expecting you to show affection or give it some treat and instead he gets a bullet in the head. In the taiga, the
decimation: wild animal knows that no good can come from me, from a man. He tries to escape. Here, it’s about who outsmarts whom."
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decimation: so the solar flare last week produced a coronal mass ejection that hit the earth and did not cause The End of Days, but it did make pretty aurorae in Norway http://spaceweathergallery.com/indiv_upload.php?upload_id=101723
assbot: Auroras
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BingoBoingo: %p
BingoBoingo: %d
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atcbot: [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.89 TH/s
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 291449.55 in 1111 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -84.48
BingoBoingo: !up themediator
BingoBoingo: !up Molten_Sea
Molten_Sea coughs
BingoBoingo: Hello Molten_Sea
Molten_Sea: hello
BingoBoingo: Whay brings you around these parts?
Molten_Sea: no reason
BingoBoingo: Cool
BingoBoingo: Enjoy
Molten_Sea: actually know that you mention it i wanted to share this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1wYl5v3w2k&feature=player_embedded#t=57
assbot: Burmese python eat big rabbit - YouTube
BingoBoingo: Sweet
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: "go to san jose" << har dee har har
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.19499999 = 0.585 BTC [+] {2}
RagnarDanneskjol: https://github.com/Exa-Networks/exabgp
assbot: Exa-Networks/exabgp GitHub
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.194 = 0.582 BTC [-]
punkman: 'ello
RagnarDanneskjol: howdy
punkman: !s warpwallet
assbot: 0 results for 'warpwallet' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=warpwallet
punkman: 20 BTC for breaking this js wallet: https://keybase.io/warp/warp_1.0.6_SHA256_e68d4587b0e2ec34a7b554fbd1ed2d0fedfaeacf3e47fbb6c5403e252348cbfc.html
assbot: WarpWallet - deterministic bitcoin wallet generator
RagnarDanneskjol: ooh
RagnarDanneskjol: oh yea - I seen that one - its just straight carbonwallet fork I thought
RagnarDanneskjol: I believe this is rather impossible to break
punkman: well if anyone's inclide to try, should probably start here: https://github.com/keybase/triplesec
assbot: keybase/triplesec GitHub
punkman: *inclined
RagnarDanneskjol: hmm neat
punkman: and here's another puzzle: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=766000.0;all
assbot: New Bitcoin ARG, The legend begins here.... 4.33 BTC BOUNTY!!!
RagnarDanneskjol: ha - derps are setting up shop in BA: http://bitcoinmagazine.com/15576/bracing-bitcoin-buenos-aires/
assbot: Bracing for Bitcoin In Argentina
punkman: sounds more like a coworking space than embassy
punkman: BitPay, BitPagos, CoinMelon setting up offices there. Prime target for some unscrupulous folks?
RagnarDanneskjol: sure
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kdomanski_: I'm suprised to see there aren't any bets related to what Russia is doing
mircea_popescu: there was one iirc. but really hard to have them resolvable
mircea_popescu: decimation: TheNewDeal: i've heard that black bears aren't so aggressive as long as you don't corner a cub << bears generally aren't aggressive at all. felides&canides are aggressive if very hungry or during mating season, but otherwise you can get out and people have for ages. animal aggressivity is a cost/benefit consideration, they';re not the convenient antichrist retarded human shamans preach.
mircea_popescu: they're not an anthropo thing. they're animals. doing their own thing.
mircea_popescu: decimation: when I was a boy scout in my youth I went hiking up in Philmont in northern new mexico - they told horror stories << re retarded human shamans : here they tell horror stories about muggings. i have, in months, observed exactly one attempt, and it was a clearly us bum trying to pass himself as belgian and doing the talking business. clueless enough to not even fucking spot me, the idiot. but otherwise : ever
mircea_popescu: y argentine will warn you to "be careful with your belongings!111eleventy", they have special implements in many restaurants to hook&tie your purse to the table, they go as fucking far as to wear backpacks in front, and many kids with it in the back had this mental issue where they reached back and touched the zipper every 30 seconds.
mircea_popescu: because they've convinced themselves this happens. meanwhile, it never does. walk queens you'll see a mugging every day. walk chacarrita and glty, you got better chances to see a comet.
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 320978 | Current Difficulty: 2.9829733124040417E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 322559 | Next Difficulty In: 1581 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 8 hours, 31 minutes, and 14 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 33058442115.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.82379
los_pantalones: mircea_popescu i couldn't believe how many people came up to me
los_pantalones: to tell me to put away my cell phone
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones ikr ?!
los_pantalones: not one person ever looked at me funny
mircea_popescu: to me too. and i got a 100 pesos samsung dumbphone. it's light, i couldn't care less if someone steals it. ☟︎
los_pantalones: but ppl would come running in a panice
los_pantalones: PUT IT AWAY
mircea_popescu: in fact, i might enjoy the sport of it
los_pantalones: as opposed to las ramblas in barcelona
mircea_popescu: as opposed to anywhere in "the civilised" world.
los_pantalones: where 50% of the ppl there are just a network of pickpockets
mircea_popescu: and this isn't even all of it. when i left for mexico everyone in the us was like "pack tp"
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, the bus stations in fucking rural mexico are airport-clean, you can eat off the floors.
los_pantalones: haha, yes
mircea_popescu: go check out greyhound station in mobile sometime
mircea_popescu: not even the streetwalkers hang there.
los_pantalones: US gas station bathrooms are the worst
los_pantalones: driving through rural turkey was better
mircea_popescu: basically the various govts have pulled the trick of all time : convinced the people living in the shithole of the world they're living in the only livable tip thereof.
mircea_popescu: if only the soviets had such pixie dust
los_pantalones: ha, didn't they just run out of it?
mircea_popescu: yeah and vice-versa. speaking in english to womenz in romanian cabs, driver picks the idea i'm like from boston
mircea_popescu: and so he starts telling me all about how they die of hunger over there and how bad romania is
mircea_popescu: im like... you're such a fucking retard, i live here for the food motherfucker.
los_pantalones: hahaha
mircea_popescu: because srsly, it is the best place in the world for food.
mircea_popescu: i don't mean other places don't have good food, but if you're european/(french-italian branch), there's just nowhere to go.
los_pantalones: romanian specifically or east europe ?
mircea_popescu: maybe you get a ny deli with decent stuff most of the time, maybe you're willing to drop 20k euro a month to eat properly in paris,
mircea_popescu: but then again maybe you don't.
los_pantalones: bulgarians are fanatics about their tomatoes
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones romania specifically, from timisoara/oradea to brasov.
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones yes but they don't do salt pickles. which... romanians end up importing the gherkins and pickling locally.
los_pantalones: i'll be in bucharest next summer for a bit, i'll report on the veracity of your claims
mircea_popescu: bucharest is shit.
mircea_popescu: if you look at a map, it's outside the perimeter i described :)
los_pantalones: pickles are such an art form
mircea_popescu: totally.
los_pantalones: so bad in the US
mircea_popescu: bucharest is like trying to eat in washington dc.
mircea_popescu: they eat tax money there, not food.
los_pantalones: maybe i'll bring the family and we'll venture out
mircea_popescu: you coming to the conference btw ?
los_pantalones: yessir
mircea_popescu: dun forget to pay before it hikes!
los_pantalones: kk
mircea_popescu: i have nfi what to do here, i mean the town is hooker central, but i don't imagine people would much like the italian arrangement
mircea_popescu: (seat people with wife on right, whore on left)
mircea_popescu: i guess ima run a poll see if people want fambly friendly or what.
los_pantalones: my vote for not
los_pantalones: biz trip
mircea_popescu: last time i tried to do it "bring your gf" but mostly ppl didn't.
kakobrekla: shame on you lampelina .
mircea_popescu: by the way, BitBet announcement : the contract specifies 30% of shares are sold on a increasing schedule, after their being sold me and kako each get 10% into our accounts.
kakobrekla: 10 + 10 = 30 ?
kakobrekla: ;;calc 10+10
gribble: 20
kakobrekla: no.
mircea_popescu: seeing how it's been about two years and the 30% still ain't all sold, and given that the contract was made at a btc of like 15 so it significantly misjudges things, and seeing how us having 0 shares in hand is inconvenient because we want to do things like give mike some shares cause he keeps doing cool shit
mircea_popescu: i am unilaterally modifying that thing, and will release the 10% blocks to our accounts later this week.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla well it's 30% on sale and 10% a head held in reserve making for 50%
kakobrekla: hrm?
kakobrekla goes to reread the contract
mircea_popescu: hrm? is a very bad error message!1
kakobrekla: lol
mircea_popescu: MiniGame announcement : i received sketches for 36 itams, ofwhich 24 animals and 12 plants, from jason juta (the wizards of the coast guy) who's worked with us before and i was very satisfied.
mike_c: sweet. i think any changes that involve giving mike some stuff is a good idea.
mircea_popescu: ima be scoring them and getting the fully painted things later this month, and we will proceed having them modelled then.
mircea_popescu: mike_c lol
mircea_popescu: no but it is getting ridiculous, wanted to do this after the bitbet ads thing but o noes, contracts.
mircea_popescu: eventually i had enough.
kakobrekla: 3. (f)Of the remainder 5`000`000 (five million) shares, 3`000`000 (three million) will be used as described in paragraph (b) above. The proceeds of those sales will go to the two individuals named above, alternatively for each block, starting with Matic "kakobrekla" Kočevar for the first block. Thirty days after the completion of the IPO as described in paragraph (b) above the remainder 2`000`000 (two million) shares will be distributed e
kakobrekla: among the two named individuals, each receiving a block of 1`000`000 (one million) shares.
mircea_popescu: right, which 1mn = 10%
kakobrekla: this is the clause? has it been 30 days already sheesh.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla well completion of ipo as in, them selling.
kakobrekla: a right.
mircea_popescu: which.. you know. but anyway, lessons learned galore from that 1st try. it's time to release the undead hold.
kakobrekla: so basically a hardcoded date should be a fix for this
mircea_popescu: many different fixes for many different aspects. either a fixed date, not such large blocks on sale, not such strictly fixed prices etc.
mircea_popescu: it was one of those bright engineering ideas what does in fact work as intended, but causes such a pile of unintended consequences as to wipe out any benefit.
mircea_popescu: so... reiteration!
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol: ha - derps are setting up shop in BA << it's a big town
mircea_popescu: "After a brief introduction to some of the building’s chief organizers, along with a tour of the facility, I was a fellow citizen in good standing, in the world of Bitcoin. "
mircea_popescu: in your dreems, punk.
mircea_popescu: jeez why the fuck am i reading bitcoinragazine.
RagnarDanneskjol: sorry - thought you needed to know the enemy is in yur backyard
mircea_popescu: lol what enemy
mircea_popescu: kids hanging out are no one's enemy.,
RagnarDanneskjol: well - they aren't allies, so
mircea_popescu: but anyway, it's a big city, 20mn or so, plenty of room for derpage here.
RagnarDanneskjol: ha
mircea_popescu: you should hear the whores thinking outloud.
RagnarDanneskjol: hmm
mircea_popescu: mike_c btw, make yourself a banner for the thing, you get a month.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4771 @ 0.00075359 = 3.5954 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://asfutecevanou.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/IMG_5427.jpg << remember the 50s ? back when WE were the muslims ?
mike_c: <+mircea_popescu> mike_c btw, make yourself a banner << hm? a banner for what?
mircea_popescu: for the new tool
mike_c: ah, k.
mircea_popescu: i figure the best audience for it is bitbet itself
mike_c: yup, makes sense
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5jnk7VS-Ko << bitcoin company ceo negotiates.
assbot: Wow Mom tells kid no more World of Warcraft Gold Guide - YouTube
pete_dushenski: to all: wd on the logs, this fine morning.
fluffypony: pete_dushenski: NOW READ
fluffypony: and bask in the glory of 0 lines from me
fluffypony: muhaahahahahahaaha
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: no, that's not retirement, that's being alive. << la vita bella, to be sure
pete_dushenski: fluffypony: well nao you have… 3 lol
fluffypony: hah hah
fluffypony: how goes it, pete_dushenski ?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony what are you up to anywya
wyrdmantis: hi pete
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski they weren't COMPLETELY bare were they ?
pete_dushenski: fluffypony: i'm pretty stoked that my latvia post beat yours ;)
fluffypony: hah hah
fluffypony: too much to do, too little time
pete_dushenski: wyrdmantis: howdy.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: you think i make joke? the logs are really quite splendid this 16th of september
mircea_popescu: aok :p
mircea_popescu: here at house of b-a no joke sir. no joke at all.
pete_dushenski: then what of that cia joke a week ago that made me lol so?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: now the reports and the contract are fucking diverged and jurov has legitimate complaint #873 << c'est possible!
pete_dushenski: notsakamoto: rumor has it ethereum selling 1/2 their holdings to pay for dev. 15,000 btc hitting market soon << that's some diamond encrusted dev work right there
mircea_popescu: in other news, i'm selling louisiana to pay for haircuts.
mircea_popescu: if you live in louisiana you should be worried, isis is the top bidder so far
BingoBoingo: There once was a mayor named Ford, of wood he cut a full cord. Twas his abode! Oh how he felt like a chode. And then there was another Mayor named Ford.
mircea_popescu: the fundamentalist mormon state a distant second
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i can't fucking believe scientificamerican seriously is advocating making tanks run windows. << i read this as "building tanks with windows for looking out of." funnily, they may just replace seeing windows with mircoderp windows
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski tanks haven't had plain optics for a while now. too hard to shield.
mircea_popescu: much cheaper to just put ten thousand cams on the body of the thing
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: a didn't know this was fait accompli
pete_dushenski: that's even better then
pete_dushenski: "we miss our windows!" cried the generals
pete_dushenski: "here, take these. they'll keep you warm at night"
pete_dushenski: ThickAsThieves: sometimes i feel like unconvertible Excel files are the only reason MS still exists << xls has no problem being turned into google docs. though that may be about as big a difference as bush and obama.
kdomanski: mircea_popescu: I don't know about the cams, but the driver's front window is an array of mirrors, usually
los_pantalones: anyone in here ever met / dealth with zooko wilcox-o'hearn ?
thestringpuller: good morning/afternoon/evening all
punkman: pete_dushenski: tabular data can be easily exfiltrated. Problem is when you have multiple sheets, VB scripts and other custom derpage.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: the original 'salami slicer' thief, if i recall, stole the rounding error at a large bank. << as seen in canonical movie "office space" (1999(
thestringpuller: (given everyone is in ridic different time zones)
pete_dushenski: punkman: fair point. excel is still full fat. google docs is spreadsheet lite.
punkman: pete_dushenski: in all fairness, Excel is the only viable GUI for big spreadsheets
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i stopped the car, got out and spent the next hour screaming at people on the phone. << nao there's a man who doesn't take shit from people who are used to giving it all day.
ThickAsThieves: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 33147848402.3 based on data since last change | 33410380121.3 based on data for last three days
ThickAsThieves: :)
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: "TGI Friday's << they actually had one of these abominations in riga
pete_dushenski: ThickAsThieves: double :)
pete_dushenski: ;;nethash
gribble: 239164465.973
pete_dushenski: i think the only time i've been to a tgif was in nyc in 2000. i'll never forget it because it was the first time i saw a menu with a whole page for "the atkins diet"
pete_dushenski: it was pretty much just bacon cheese steaks
pete_dushenski: and that's when i learned about fad diets
ThickAsThieves: atkins diet is very shit-restaurant friendly
thestringpuller: ;;seen arij
gribble: arij was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 22 weeks, 5 days, 22 hours, 48 minutes, and 50 seconds ago: <arij> pLambert, yes, pm me
ThickAsThieves: you want a pile of cheese and meat? you got it!
ThickAsThieves: free celery stick incl
pete_dushenski: ThickAsThieves: gluten free menu only slightly trickier to manage
pete_dushenski: often many poorly concocted substitutions
mircea_popescu: <punkman> pete_dushenski: tabular data can be easily exfiltrated. Problem is when you have multiple sheets, VB scripts and other custom derpage. << vb scripts being untranslatable because of just how retarded vb is
mircea_popescu: <punkman> pete_dushenski: in all fairness, Excel is the only viable GUI for big spreadsheets << wtf are you talking about ?!
punkman: mircea_popescu: you ever try to open 500mb spreadsheet in LibreOffice or whatever?
mircea_popescu: well, an old open office, yes.
mircea_popescu: because at some point a bunch of derps in an office "we dunno why our computers are all borkt we had ppl repair them 5x but not able to fix"
wyrdmantis: pete_dushenski: i was wondering... would you give me a little loan, to improve my WoT? there are better ways?
ThickAsThieves: google docs has an obnoxiously low limit on size too
mircea_popescu: so i wiped a laptop, installed ubuntu, installed open office and had it load the thing and cut out the spurious data.
pete_dushenski: ;;gettrust wyrdmantis
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask wyrdmantis!9740323c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.151.64.50.60. Trust relationship from user pete_dushenski to user wyrdmantis: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=pete_dushenski&dest=wyrdmantis | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=wyrdmantis | Rated since: Mon Aug 11 07:05:19 2014
mircea_popescu: this was cca early 2000s tho, no idea meanwhile
punkman: I made a lot of the open source ones crash last year, client was fine with his Excel
pete_dushenski: wyrdmantis: got any skills? writing, researching, coding, etc.?
mircea_popescu: maybe excel picked up in the meanwhile, but last i saw of it it was ridiculous.
mircea_popescu: i suppose they musta done a full 64 byte rewrite of the engine or something
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski he's an economist actually
mircea_popescu: wyrdmantis this loan for wot business is dimly regarded, but your best avenue would perhaps be to intern with mike_c for btcalpha.
mircea_popescu: win-win, you both get something from it.
mircea_popescu: i think he's looking for more ppls to do econometric type of work
wyrdmantis: pete_dushenski: researching, i have PhD in communication, highly informed on bitcoin topic
wyrdmantis: pete_dushenski: and i've started study coding... but the topic is huge... maybe with a little guidance...
kakobrekla: first econometric task could be to measure the circumference of a bitcoin
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> atkins diet is very shit-restaurant friendly << mystery solved. i had nfi why people still reference that idiocy after all these years.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla that's not econometry you hater you :D
mircea_popescu: ow shit, here i go confusing wywialm with wyrdmantis
mircea_popescu: sorry both of you. wy collision in my head.
wyrdmantis: lolz does not matter
BingoBoingo: Of course it matters! Wy collisions are messy!
BingoBoingo: What if Wyoming were to become involved
wyrdmantis: yeah wyoming, nice place, never seen it
mircea_popescu: "one wy entry should be enough for everyone"
wyrdmantis: lol
pete_dushenski: wyrdmantis: o they matter. collisions were the catalyst for pete_d rather than bitcoinpete
pete_dushenski: wyrdmantis: and i'm sure something will come up soon. stayed tuned :)
mircea_popescu: what's to come, wywialm is the guy';s name
wyrdmantis: pete_dushenski: what this means? is it something about security?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: not just one man. the man with something to say. there was never anything of any value or utility come from listening "to people" and "their needs" << the apple watch is past the inflection point. a point that was, in my estimation, the iphone 5's 4" screen
pete_dushenski: 24 months ago...
pete_dushenski: prior to that, it was "fuck you, 3.5" is perfect" and they were right
ThickAsThieves: i'm no sure i agree on that one point
pete_dushenski: then apple recognized its competition as such, rather than as inferior pretenders, and it's been downhill since
kakobrekla: the bigger the screen the bigger the sales, with iphone.
mircea_popescu: i didn't reallt follow apple, so i dunno.
pete_dushenski: wyrdmantis: not a security thing, no.
pete_dushenski: ThickAsThieves: how do you see it?
ThickAsThieves: personal bias probly
ThickAsThieves: i dont keep a real cell phone, just a 7" tablet with data plan
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla honestly, my thinking was, "either apple actually comes with holodisplays for a 2015ish horizon, or it won't matter by 2020"
ThickAsThieves: love it
ThickAsThieves: i also dont like talking on the phone
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves hard to do since irc huh.
ThickAsThieves: the idea of being immediately available to anyone irks me
pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: which is of course coincides with entering china and shit
ThickAsThieves: other than my fambly i guess
kakobrekla: china got other iphones
ThickAsThieves: and they know to email
pete_dushenski: ThickAsThieves: no disagreement there, but where do you see apple's decline commencing?
pete_dushenski: if not the iphone 5
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu i dont see why they wouldnt
ThickAsThieves: oh i wasnt meaning to comment on that aspect so much as that i think it's no biggie to have 2 or 3 sizes avail
ThickAsThieves: people come in all shapes and biases
pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: they do nao that they've had a few years to copy the original. but the fruit brand is still the fruit brand. lv is still lv
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla because if you have a lot of money and not much thought leadership you will be scammed.
ThickAsThieves: apple died when it went ALL in on design and walled garden
ThickAsThieves: it's just like MS going all in on locking people into Office/Win
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski lv is actually about 35% lv
mircea_popescu: the rest are undetected fakes.
ThickAsThieves: cant be sustained
kakobrekla: pete_dushenski heard of xiaomi?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: lol!
pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: def
kakobrekla: apl cant do shit against that.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla what is it ?
pete_dushenski: ThickAsThieves: apple has always been "all in" on design. though the walled garden is an ios thing
pete_dushenski: ;;google xiaomi
gribble: Xiaomi: <http://www.mi.com/sg/>; Xiaomi: <http://www.xiaomi.com/>; Xiaomi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiaomi>
kakobrekla: supposedly a quality iphone lookalike that runs some android for much less dorra
ThickAsThieves: by all in, i mean they made it their gimmick more than their charge
pete_dushenski: and sends plaintext data to people's servers
ThickAsThieves: they leveraged it
ThickAsThieves: and now post_jobs crew is harvesting it
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: xiaomi has people hooked with, get this, weekly software updates
ThickAsThieves: crop wont be there next time
pete_dushenski: it's like digsec hell
pete_dushenski: ThickAsThieves: agreed.
mircea_popescu continues to not get it
kakobrekla: china is very different. so same tricks do not work as on mericans.
mircea_popescu: i guess im old.
ThickAsThieves: the watch was a bad idea
ThickAsThieves: so bad
pete_dushenski: horrendous
ThickAsThieves: they couldve showed some grace by bowing out on the wearables garbage
ThickAsThieves: nothing feels more douchey than wearing a wearable
pete_dushenski: nao we know they've got no grace left in the tank
mircea_popescu: google glass will own the watch on basic "wearables" and even google glass seems to lose the wider socioacceptance war, what with all the glasshole sites and whatnot
ThickAsThieves: both will gloriously fail
mircea_popescu: if the bitchez dun think glass is cool, the nerds don't buy glass, and the whole story collapses
ThickAsThieves: glass already has really
thestringpuller: two bit idiot needs to just die
ThickAsThieves: itll be a pro security tool or such maaaaybe eventually
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller until you said something i had thought he had.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves that existed for a while now, and better adapted for the job.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i'm not sure that bitz think any new tech is cool on guys
pete_dushenski: though they certainly like their own megaphones
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski dunno man, they loved the condom.
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pete_dushenski: !b 4 ✂︎
mircea_popescu: they also loved the car, and the bike
ThickAsThieves: another prob with iwatch is it requires iphone
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: ok ok
ThickAsThieves: once user boots both up and diddles with em in public, they will feel that nice rush of emarassment
ThickAsThieves: b
pete_dushenski: gurlz also loved airplanes and zeppelins and catapults
thestringpuller: apparently people are now paying him to ramble about bitcoin?
thestringpuller: when did he become an expert on the subject....
pete_dushenski: ThickAsThieves: as so many samsungtards have already discovered
ThickAsThieves: there's a cool short about wearables in The Black Mirror
ThickAsThieves: all 3 eps are pretty cool
ThickAsThieves: if you havent seen em
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pete_dushenski: ThickAsThieves: have not. but i'm off to the races. chip chip cheerio!
thestringpuller: ThickAsThieves: are you going to start that record label?
ThickAsThieves: not anytime soon
thestringpuller: whats the key component of a label? i originally thought distribution but i'm certain i'm wrong
ThickAsThieves: i have some decent ideas about music thingies but my right left says no
ThickAsThieves: that's the key component of a distributor ;)
thestringpuller: XD
ThickAsThieves: a label can be any subset or all services required to have a music business
thestringpuller: distribution seems moot in light of ticket sales on tours (if the artist has that kind of pull on fans)
ThickAsThieves: mgmt, booking, pr, dist, merch, legal, etc
ThickAsThieves: i think there's something to applying crowdfunding concepts to music biz
ThickAsThieves: might be where it's going
ThickAsThieves: like memberships, buffet subscriptions, preorder stretch goals and shit
thestringpuller: what about acquiring fans tho?
thestringpuller: like for instance Jay-Z can announce a concert and it sales out
ThickAsThieves: these days, that's the artist's problem
thestringpuller: Beatlemania in the 60's
thestringpuller: etc.
thestringpuller: has it always been the artist's problem?
ThickAsThieves: broadly yes
ThickAsThieves: not in the 90s/00s tho
ThickAsThieves: maybe not 80s either
kakobrekla: jesus
thestringpuller: so this is a recent development?
kakobrekla: you need to 'register for a flash sale' to get these
kakobrekla: http://gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/news/40000-redmi-1s-smartphones-gone-in-34-seconds-xiaomi-592701
assbot: 40,000 Redmi 1S Smartphones Gone in 3.4 Seconds: Xiaomi | NDTV Gadgets
kakobrekla: 350k registration, 40k phones
thestringpuller: kakobrekla: i heard those aren't ready for production tho. very buggy.
ThickAsThieves: the talent market is much more commoditized now
ThickAsThieves: easy to find decent bands, so easier to focus on ones that already have some traction
ThickAsThieves: look at macklemore, he did it without signing to anyone
ThickAsThieves: so he says at least
thestringpuller: i wonder how fans select someone to follow in critical mass
ThickAsThieves: same as always
ThickAsThieves: friends and media
ThickAsThieves: and pandora
ThickAsThieves: :)
thestringpuller: like Kesha sucks tho
ThickAsThieves: sure
thestringpuller: but she still sells out venues
ThickAsThieves: thats why 80s-00s ruined shit, they made music a business model, all they needed was a husk amd some writers
ThickAsThieves: 80s not as bad i guess
ThickAsThieves: indie music kinda jived with pop music back then a bit
ThickAsThieves: wtf is with this Disney Frozen popularity
ThickAsThieves: i tried watching it
ThickAsThieves: so badf
ThickAsThieves: like i thought it was a joke
ThickAsThieves: the singing and lyrics are written for a 3yo retard
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker btce
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message)
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker btc-e
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message)
ThickAsThieves: bleh
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market btce
gribble: BTC-E BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 456.8, Best ask: 457.999, Bid-ask spread: 1.19900, Last trade: 457.999, 24 hour volume: 3155.73003, 24 hour low: 456.15302, 24 hour high: 470.0, 24 hour vwap: 463.07651
ThickAsThieves: thx
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 467.74, vol: 5787.99807629 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 457.999, vol: 3155.73003 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 468.72, vol: 3843.13517769 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 467.173526, vol: 15446.36720000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 482.0, vol: 2.09625389 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 478.05505, vol: 54.60290031 | Volume-weighted last average: 466.498196454
ThickAsThieves: now i get the switches
BingoBoingo: Wait is Adrian Petersen here already?
thestringpuller: ThickAsThieves damn that's depressing. rather than discovering talent, we try to manufacture it?
ThickAsThieves: or at least, deliver via husks rather than actual creators
ThickAsThieves: but i'm not sure that happens as much anymore
ThickAsThieves: either way, i simply dont have the passion for it right now
thestringpuller: seems moot. i'm interested in show biz but yes the passion...
thestringpuller: not there.
thestringpuller: thanks for the talk ThickAsThieves
ThickAsThieves: np, take it fwiw, i'm just one opinionated dude, probly wrong about half what i said
mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> when did he become an expert on the subject.... << you mean in his own head or irl ?
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> 350k registration, 40k phones << i gotta partner with these poeple somehow.
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> or at least, deliver via husks rather than actual creators << dude, nobody wants to spend 3 minutes watching a "creator" that's not female, not properly jugged and not properly skinned.
mircea_popescu: they're not husks, they're what people want to look at. women with the udder bulding out.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: he is apparently speaking at MIT as an expert and giving away prizes to the freshman...
thestringpuller: i will find you link
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller a better question is who DIDNT speak at mit.
mircea_popescu: max tucker spoke at mit.
mircea_popescu: that lesbian author/activist whatever her name is spoke at mit
mircea_popescu: all it takes to speak at mit is a pulse.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/WorldBitcoinNet/status/511645219306356736
assbot: Speaking live in about an hour at MIT http://t.co/qJ1lq7q7Pv, as the first event to introduce the lucky undergrads to their $100 of bitcoin
mircea_popescu: heh k. do the lucky undergrads have to write anything on their tits ?
thestringpuller: i should go to MIT and start a drug business with bitcoin since they've already seeded the coins
thestringpuller: or underage alcohol acquisition
thestringpuller: and no allt he lucky undergrads have to do is be at MIT
thestringpuller: ...
asciilifeform: all it takes to speak at mit is a pulse << nah. yours truly, for instance, has pulse, but will not be invited to speak there. etc
mircea_popescu: you don't understand. A PULSE. that's it.
mircea_popescu: your problem is the excess.
asciilifeform: lol
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mircea_popescu: so here's a clients from hell idea. art guy sent me proofs for eulora flora/fauna, i could send him an email going
mircea_popescu: "people around the office have seen your drafts, and they have proved very divisive. people can not agree on which are good or better and there have even been arguments. this sort of subversive activity is completely inappropriate for an office setting. i would like you to complete a sensitivity training course for art people."
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> <kakobrekla> 350k registration, 40k phones << i gotta partner with these poeple somehow. < just learn their sekrits
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ok, teach me obikako
kakobrekla: 1. weekly updates.
kakobrekla: i dont need to go to nb 2 eh
kakobrekla: but seriously, its cheap, for the masses as they stupidly want.
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kakobrekla: like discussed earlier.
kakobrekla: > there was never anything of any value or utility come from listening "to people" and "their needs" < does not out by itself, you need to extract the value out
mircea_popescu does the international jewish hand gesture.
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kakobrekla: you asked .
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
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ben_vulpes: when's this ether dump?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yeah i know. ftr, i dun really believe that's why. cum hoc etc.
mircea_popescu: ;;google i will gladly repay you on thursday for an ethereum today
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mircea_popescu: how quickly pop culture forgets.
kakobrekla: its not the whole receptive, but key ingredient.
kakobrekla: eh
kakobrekla: recepie
kakobrekla: autowrong.
mircea_popescu: recipe :D
kakobrekla: not if its for a pie
mircea_popescu: which reminds me, this is the XXVIIIth edition of our show, How Romanian Is Better Than You! Welcome! today, the word tiz.
mircea_popescu: in romanian, all people with the same first name share a relationship. they're each other's tiz (read exactly like tease).
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, all people fucking the same woman also share a relationship. they're sogori
mircea_popescu: so there's a town of sogortiz.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: people fucking the same woman also share a relationship << 'milk brothers' where i come from
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, those are the people who suckled the same teat as infants.
mircea_popescu: as opposed to blood brothers, people that did this bizarre knifeplay thing in adolescence
mircea_popescu: or i guess prison.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: according to mother and school - yes. but the term got recycled for that other thing.
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> kakobrekla yeah i know. ftr, i dun really believe that's why. cum hoc etc. < you know, just ask the chumpatrons.
mircea_popescu: well blood brothers got recycled for gayzors too, but hey. we're purists over here at HRIBTY!
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla problem is all failed chumpatrons claim to have been successful.
mircea_popescu: before it went under, myspace was like whatever, ah so powerful.
kakobrekla: an eagle may not learn from the crow, but humans have learned from others better.
mircea_popescu: a decade ago digg was doing everything reddit is doing today and "winning"
mircea_popescu: etc.
mircea_popescu: i dun particularly wish to learn how to give a very convincing representation of success for a very brief interval.
kakobrekla: since when are we on 'representation'
kakobrekla: also
kakobrekla: how do you measure success ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i know ;/
ben_vulpes: just look at how dissimilar those under measure are from me
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes hm ?
ben_vulpes: bah nm
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: people fucking the same woman also share a relationship << 'milk brothers' where i come from << Around these parts the term Eskimo Brother is used
mircea_popescu: oh, also, let's do a Romanian Surprisingly Sucks! show. so, romanian does not distinguish between niece (nepoata) and grand daughter (nepoata).
mircea_popescu: nor between throat (git) and neck (git). nor between fingers and toes.
mircea_popescu: it does distinguish underage or unexcited cock (puta) from proper cock (pula), but it does not distinguish underage cock from underage cunt.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: russian - leg==foot, finger==toe
mircea_popescu: romanian tries this foot = laba piciorului, ie leg's paw
mircea_popescu: but in practice it's too long for anyone to bother
mircea_popescu: technically arm = brat ; hand = mina but in practice nobody even knows what brat is
kakobrekla: as sad as it might be, i dont think a nice package ever hurt a good product?
mircea_popescu think
mircea_popescu: how about the early macs ?
mircea_popescu: good product, nice package, went nowhere
midnightmagic: Is the language falling into disuse then in its complexities? Like is it simplifying over time?
kakobrekla: cause of package?
kakobrekla: maybe the package wasnt nice?
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic this is a universal phenomenon, since the media heavily favours the more easily influenced members of a population, and they tend to be young, the media discourse then tends to focus on the linguistic abilities of noob speakers.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla better than competitors at time im sure.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: It is universal; some languages are resistant to it, for various reasons. There are some theories on that based around a language's resilience and flexibility, but I thought the population speaking Romanian was large enough to preserve it. It's pretty unfortunate if that's not so. :(
mircea_popescu: romanian is the most flexible language i've ever heard.
mircea_popescu: its defense comes from exactly this flexibility, it's basically a hardened whore. you can abuse it any way you please, for as long as you please,
mircea_popescu: in the end it'll be just fine.
mircea_popescu: takes a shower pretends to be 16 again.
kakobrekla: asciilifeform , expert in this field, did early macs suffer because of their supposed nice package?
mircea_popescu: i thought diametric was teh expert in early macs :D
midnightmagic: Ah. So you're just complaining about how nobody's learning and using its (still-preserved) complexities these days because $stupid_youth..?
rithm is an expert at the apple II/e, the last Apple product he owned
kakobrekla: well then diametric can answer.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic i just made a passing remark :) the way the stupid youth ends up apt is through running into these scattered about.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: package being what? ui? in a way, they did. recall why ibm pc - similarly costly - ran over the early macs, despite technical inferiority in every sense.
BingoBoingo: http://espn.go.com/page2/s/thompson/010918.html
rithm: my ubuntu desktop just took a total shit from 12.04 to 14.04 and do-release-upgrade
rithm: if that's remotely topical
rithm: macs suck
kakobrekla: i wouldnt limit it to ui but ill take the answer.
mircea_popescu: even the physical machine was nicer
mircea_popescu: in a "better design" sense
kakobrekla: still we are at one, potential case here.
mircea_popescu: early pcs were a nightmare
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla all i need to dispel a universal negative is one example :)
mike_c: BingoBoingo: is this a new discovery for you? I used to love it when HST was writing for page 2
mike_c: there was another good guy who died.
rithm: i know how to open terminal on a mac, though...so that's one thing it has going for it
mike_c: ralph wiley i think
BingoBoingo: mike_c: It's a discovery that ESPN still has this stuff online.
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu dont worry, the next question is did it hurt more than half.
mike_c: page2 used to be really good. then the good writers died and it turned to crap.
asciilifeform: rithm: mac in question here is circa mid-1980s. different animal.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: I see. Just curious. I know nothing about Romanian, sadly, but I love the weird incompatible concepts that seem to pervade languages like tlingit..
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla what is this supposed to be, business ?!
kakobrekla: i thought it was guessing games.
rithm: i only had the II/e
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic but you speak french ?
rithm: never an actual macintosh with tetris
rithm: we had those in high school
asciilifeform: rithm: II/e - not a mac
rithm: they were good for tetris iirc
rithm: the actual macintosh classics
rithm: it was the original .ru socialist teris too
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mac did not fit the cargo-cult spec - defined by ibm, naturally - of 'feeling businessy' - and therefore yes, did suffer from 'nice package.'
mircea_popescu: which is the substance of the disagreement with kako i suspect.
mircea_popescu: i am not willing to allow the "feeling usg-y, feeling fiat-y" package no matter the cost.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: I can speak it well enough to order a beer, buy groceries, and insult the locals, with a halfway bastardized accent between parisian and quebecois, and I can hear it enough to get about 70% of radio broadcasts and conversational (polite) parisian french, and about 30% of slangy quebecois..
mircea_popescu: they have to start feeling bitcoin-y if i have to personally strangle every single andreas out there.
rithm: i'm only about 25% french reading and hearing
midnightmagic: can I pay to watch that?
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic so then you know a lot about romanian, same latin structure and very close use of voice
rithm: je n'aime pas le poisson
midnightmagic: ah, cool then.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic you don't have to pay to be on b-a yet.
kakobrekla: also the problem with apple example: bitcoin had a market cap of only a few grand or w/e in 2011. despite being the superior tech solution.
mircea_popescu: why is 2011 the cutoff ?
kakobrekla: why is early mac cutoff?
mircea_popescu: and in 2011 bitcoin was the superior tech solution to a wet sock.
rithm: 2012 was more fun
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i was discussing the actual product, not the company.
kakobrekla: meh, take the current mkt cap for all i care
kakobrekla: still peanuts.
mircea_popescu: for all i care you can take early macs marketshare in 2011 if it pleases you
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, kakobrekla: it is important to remember that mac product actually died. it is deader than many other dead things, even, because got hollowed out and taxidermied.
kakobrekla: bitcoin is a product as early mac is a product
kakobrekla: none of those are a company
mircea_popescu: not really.
mircea_popescu: electricity isn't a product even if it isn't a company.
rithm: but like bitcoin 2011 is like mac classic and 2012 is like imac
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is a natural phenomenon.
kakobrekla: but you can measure bitcoin in sold units
mircea_popescu: you can measure love in sold units as well.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, kakobrekla: current 'mac os' product is actually 'nextstep' with a new graphical skin.
kakobrekla: asciilifeform the UI lived on right ?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: i (and perhaps BingoBoingo) would argue that ui disappeared.
mircea_popescu: no, i'm with you, that ui died.
mircea_popescu: and it didn't die because it was either a bad product or badly packaged.
kakobrekla: ok then, no ui, <mircea_popescu> in a "better design" sense
kakobrekla: that.
mircea_popescu: it died for the exact reason the usg will die, no matter how it packages itself, no matter how it argues for its own goodness.
BingoBoingo: The original Mac UI died before even Hypercard
mircea_popescu: it will die because the people that matter dun like its mug.
asciilifeform: /me confesses that he liked it. and recently dug up a mac laptop circa 1999, and enjoyed playing with it.
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mircea_popescu: germany is such a hellhole for monopolistic cab practices
mircea_popescu: kinda why i never lived there, actually.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Did you have the chance to play with "At Ease" on your Mac?
mircea_popescu: some competition'd be spelndid for them
mircea_popescu: "Generals and military scholars will tell you that eight or 10 years is actually not such a long time in the span of human history -- which is no doubt true -- but history also tells us that 10 years of martial law and a war-time economy are going to feel like a Lifetime to people who are in their twenties today. The poor bastards of what will forever be known as Generation Z are doomed to be the first generation of Am
mircea_popescu: ericans who will grow up with a lower standard of living than their parents enjoyed."
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: that drughead is remarkable in that while being wrong on each and every twist and turn, he's globally right with clockwork regularity.
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> no, i'm with you, that ui died. < well every ui so far died. gui however did not.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: There probably a label used for that condition somewhere in the USG, something as an analogue to the soviet "Slowly Progressing Schizophrenia"
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla depending what you mean by "gui" in that snese, cli is a gui. itdoesn't make beeps after all.
kakobrekla: you browse web with lynx?
kakobrekla: bah bad example, that is too much gui
mircea_popescu: bitbet is totally gui for that matter.
mircea_popescu: to the degree someone had to make a proper nongui interface.
kakobrekla: proper cause?
mircea_popescu: but anyway, the solution to the "gui problem" is not to resolve the gui problem but to let it resolve itself. whoever wants a different gui should be supported to make it. skins are too little too high up, but still the right idea.
kakobrekla: how do you measure properness?
mircea_popescu: everyone his own gui is how nature works
mircea_popescu: the interface is called interface for a reason, and to specify it as part of the product is akin to the peacock coming with a set of eyes to look at it with.
mircea_popescu: bring your own eyes.
mircea_popescu: browsers are notably going very far on this basic line, with a "your css" rather than "website's css" approach
BingoBoingo: http://proxy.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?id=1016761
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The20YearIRCloud: is there a bitbet yet for more NFL beatings?
mircea_popescu: doubt it
ben_vulpes remembers when macos skinning was a thing
ben_vulpes: barely
kakobrekla never has apple product
kakobrekla: has ? had.
kakobrekla: nor did any of my ex gf
kakobrekla: such turnoff.
The20YearIRCloud: i had a iphone for about a month
The20YearIRCloud: sold it for double what i paid, so I was happy
kakobrekla: you should ipo or something
mircea_popescu: i actually got an ipad for checking their market
mircea_popescu: the thing is such a waste. if it weren't made by idiots it could have been surprisinglky cool.
mircea_popescu: honestly i think tablets will suffer a foss revival much like the pc did.
mircea_popescu: (i don't mean the techs that made it were idiots, they were competent. i mean their managers were idiots)
kakobrekla: if mp were the manager, the thing would be surprisinglky cool, no colors supported, cost 18k usd and sold 88 pcs.
kakobrekla: this thing is not made by stupid managers, its made for stupid people.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla if the thing were made by me you wouldn't have the retarded "this is facebook running on javascript" game market, and the "this is unextensible" view.
mircea_popescu: make the tablet so you can hook it with any number of tablets and watch a film with your friends.
mircea_popescu: not so hard.
mircea_popescu: 4 people, flatscreen tv
mircea_popescu: make the tablet so you can put it into a robot. make your own dog, make your own buzz lightyear, make your own fucktoy.
mircea_popescu: the tablet being basically a portable head to attach to anything you want.
kakobrekla: yeah, pretty much what i said.
mircea_popescu: serve the deeply seated human thirst for anthropomorphising
mircea_popescu: and it wouldn't cost 18k either.
mircea_popescu: it'd cost the same 500 or w/e.
hanbot: ipad's just an ebook reader imo
mircea_popescu: the actually functioning touchscreen is the big challenge there, and they solved that. the rest is just trims.
mircea_popescu: hanbot yes, because managerial incompetence.
mircea_popescu: "o, we're going to change the world, watch us make gunpowder fireworks that change the world oooohhh"
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mircea_popescu: the moral being, beat your children. if they don't know how to hate they don't know how to matter.
kakobrekla: 200+ million ipads sold, such poor managers.
mircea_popescu: listen here, you know what else sold 200mn ? that shitty japanese electronic toy thing.
mircea_popescu: you know which ?
mircea_popescu: me either.
ben_vulpes: tamagotchi?
ben_vulpes: :P
mircea_popescu: gotchi.
kakobrekla: dat thing is rad.
mircea_popescu: toothbrushes sell by the billion. what sort of argument is this.
ben_vulpes: i want a portable compute object that plugs into the work station, home station, robot-grocery-carrying-thing
hanbot: mircea_popescu i don't think it's that simple, most people "beating their children" would likely result in the kids hating their parents rather than hating fucking up
mircea_popescu: i imagine 50 million billion trillion chickpeas sold since the dawn of agriculture.
hanbot: not much of a lesson there.
mircea_popescu: hanbot just as long as it's something.
kakobrekla: yes totally poor managers.
hanbot: yeah, well, ipad is *something*, like i said :D
mircea_popescu: the chickpeas you mean ?
kakobrekla: toothbrush and chickpeas are actually useful and needed
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes and that has a very faint but almost identifiable personality.
kakobrekla: you cant mix it all in one bag
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla sale volumes are no indication of management competence.
kakobrekla: well it could suck 200 mio more.
mircea_popescu: how are chickpeas needed anyway. you ever ate any ?
hanbot needs chickpeas
kakobrekla: see
mircea_popescu: well yes you. but i am asking him
mircea_popescu: i bet you he doesn't even know what they are :D
kakobrekla: but i also dont use apples.
mircea_popescu: or girls
mircea_popescu: :D
hanbot: they're wrong potatoes improperly fried, right?
mircea_popescu: hanbot no that's papafritas.
mircea_popescu: these are garbanzos
mircea_popescu: $conference
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hook it with any number of tablets and watch a film with your friends << verboten, order of usg dept. of copyrasty (riaa/mpaa/etc)
mircea_popescu: who asked them anything.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: who asked them << presumably, apple corp. legal dept.
mircea_popescu: yes well. i am not interested in buying technology made by legal depts.
mircea_popescu: unfortunately the way this works, just exactly when apple grew big enough to fight and win,
mircea_popescu: jobs died.
mircea_popescu: had he not died, he'd have been old and by then formatted.
mircea_popescu: but 1965 jobs'd have said exactly the above.
mircea_popescu: instead he wasted his time fighting idiotic union wars.
mircea_popescu: "o let's push bezos into not paying engineers we shouldn't have hired salaries they shouldn't get anyway"
mircea_popescu: instead of selling diy robots and wall attachment accessories, they tried to make money selling a longer proprietary power cable.
mircea_popescu: ridoinkulous.
mircea_popescu: there should not have existed a raspberry pi if apple had a twinkle of a clue.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: bad example, 'pi' is a pseudo-open turd
mircea_popescu: and the cardano should have been implemented on the apple ipad. "just make sure you run it on battery"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: the pi as it claims, i mean, not the pi as it is
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ahaha
mircea_popescu: if you keep laughing at me ima summon pesto.
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gVurt8TjeA << this is pesto.
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: steve jobs - as described in my 'hypercard' piece - was a master of chumpatronics, not of electronics. when he returned from exile, he zapped pretty much all r&d personnel, killed every project, smart or foolish, replaced all apple tech with repainted 'next'.
mircea_popescu: put it in context.
mircea_popescu: the incredibly cheeky engineers in question had the unmitigated audacity to outs him from his own company because "they're merituous"
mircea_popescu: i'd have fired them all too, and impaled a few, extra.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: herr jobs is credited with resurrecting the company, but he actually strangled it and turned the taxidermied skin into a kind of animatronic dinosaur.
mircea_popescu: moral being, tech nec ultra keyboardam
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ousted by engineers? afaik it was his immediate subordinates who coordinated his ouster, a la khruschev
mircea_popescu: breaking the barrier between "what we're doing" and "how we're doing it" is unhealthy in all cases
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but they were engineers weren't they ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: engineers? on the board ?
asciilifeform: historical: http://www.forbes.com/sites/randalllane/2013/09/09/john-sculley-just-gave-his-most-detailed-account-ever-of-how-steve-jobs-got-fired-from-apple
assbot: John Sculley Just Gave His Most Detailed Account Ever Of How Steve Jobs Got Fired From Apple - Forbes
mircea_popescu: twasnt the board, wasn't it bitching about how the office was going to be ?
mircea_popescu: well sculley is making it all about himself, but no, my (not necessarily very valuable) understanding is that endless friction with various engineering teams over the 80s eventually bubbled up into it
BingoBoingo: I was under the impression the board wanted to turn "IBM" hence a few years of Sears selling "Mac Clones"
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: that came later.
mircea_popescu: that was more like "ok we're screwed, how do we pretend this wasn't a terrible mistake"
BingoBoingo: Sure, but cum follow desire
mircea_popescu: !up qq1932
qq1932: hi, mircea
mircea_popescu: ello
qq1932: I asked you to self-qualify on a basic physics level in PM. Depending on your answer, may have an interesting proposition for you. Unlike the two outside ventures, I am acutally prepared to share 100% of this (privately, due to IP considerations) because it is a discretionary project for me.
mircea_popescu: that's ok, i don't do private anything with people i don't know.
asciilifeform: welcome back mr. spam!
fluffypony: qq1932: make him sign an NDA
fluffypony: otherwise he'll steal your idea and enrich himself and his cronies
mircea_popescu: i only sign nda's with blonde german chicks.
fluffypony: true story
fluffypony: :-P
qq1932: There is no spam here. I have a remarkable discretionary project. It is open to people who self-qualify as understnading enough high-school physics that, for example, they could have understood the steam engine in 1500. (Or the Watt engine in 1700, 70 years earlier.)
mircea_popescu: and i mean literally. i place a bunch of blonde krautzettes in the shape of my signature on a lawn in which the nda was cut.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm going to infer Angela was the blond
qq1932: Note that energy is a RIPE field for actual scams. This is open to someone self-qualifying as having enough basic high-school physics understanding to see the distinction.
The20YearIRCloud: qq1932: does your project involve time travel?
BingoBoingo: qq1932: Is this the flappy plane idea?
qq1932: No. It involves literally no unusual principles.
mircea_popescu: qq1932 dude, there's a major difference between "highschool understanding" of any topic and fundamental understanding of such outstanding quality as to recognise fundamentally correct but contemporaneously obscure advances.
fluffypony: is this a lubrication project?
kakobrekla: The20YearIRCloud that actually works.
mircea_popescu: this is why fundamental mathematics only started in 1800.
mircea_popescu: ie, ten fucking millenia after it begun its journey
The20YearIRCloud: he has time travel that works? THen really, really sign me up
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud tthe problem with it is that it only works one way, and at a fixed speed.
fluffypony: I'm interested in this self-qualification
fluffypony: does it involve hookers and / or blackjack?
fluffypony: because I can do either
punkman: do they still have physics in US high schools?
The20YearIRCloud: yes punkman
mircea_popescu: punkman it's women's physics nao.
BingoBoingo: qq1932: Why do you need a new nick everytime you come here?
qq1932: mircea, excuse me, I was in PM with BingoBoingo briefly.
mircea_popescu: make sure you let me know if you pee, too.
fluffypony: I was in a pm with BingoBoingo briefly too
fluffypony: but it didn't work out
fluffypony: it's not him, it's me
mircea_popescu: !up flibbr-dev
mircea_popescu: fluffypony maybe you were in pms with bb
fluffypony: heh
qq1932: mircea_popescu: I disagree with you that it always takes much more than "highschool understanding" of any topic to recognize fundamental innovations that eluded people. In fact, this is the reason a lot of people think the "obvious" bar is too low and no patents should be granted . I had someone tell me that there is no fundamental innovation of any kind in the past 200 years that was not "obvious".
mircea_popescu: good for that someone.
fluffypony: my rap music isn't obvious
fluffypony: mostly becuse it doesn't exist
fluffypony: yet.
The20YearIRCloud: lots of people are like that qq1932 , those are the people that rarely amount to anything
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, the time honored tradition of con artistry is to flatter people who are too stupid to understand how stupid they are by making this confusion, between "highschool understanding" as required to understand well known and widely understood topics, and extremely advanced fundamental understanding required to understand similarly just as simple, but not widely known topics.
qq1932: mircea_popescu: I can understand this but in this particular case the principles are no more advanced (by comparison) than the Watt steam engine at the time. It's a different field, this is an analogy.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the time honored tradition of con artistry << i call this '10th dimension-ism' in honour of a particularly egregious web-based psycholoscamz0r.
qq1932: mircea_popescu: I agree with what you're saying, and most innovations in, e.g. battery technology, or fusion reactor design, and so forth, are far too difficult for anyone other than a non-expert to evaluate.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform worked on the same premise ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: precisely same. diddles the mark's 'feeling educatickled' receptors.
qq1932: Basically, I agree with you. At any rate anyone who is interested in hearing in this needs to self-qualify as having enough understanding of basic high-school physics that they actually could have understood the Watt steam engine 70 years early, if Watt had described it. If you self-qualify (it sounds, mircea_popescu, that your answer is no) we can discuss. This is a totally discretionary project.
mircea_popescu: works really well picking up women, fwiw.
mircea_popescu: qq1932 what is a "discretionary project" ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: works well << yes! 'tell me again about the waters of your homeworld.' ('Dune'.)
mircea_popescu: :D
qq1932: mircea_popescu: I have not committed any resources to it, and cannot commit to full-time work on it; I have two major existing outside commitments. I may not do the project at all.
mircea_popescu: uh.
qq1932: mircea_popescu: this means, however, that I am at liberty to share 100% of it within hte limits of what IP law permits (as this is a licensing play, like Watt's engine).
qq1932: mircea_popescu: there is no "secret" component to this, I don't need to hold anything back. Of course, that only matters to those self-qualifying as having enough understnading to discriminate between the Watt's steam engine 70 years early (1700) and snake oil.
mircea_popescu: dude, let me tell you something to help your head calibrate yourself. i recently wrote to a famous illustrator, whose work is celebrated by an actual fanbase and included in successful franchises. he committed, on the basis of that conversation, and the whole thing is costing me bitcoin fractions so far.
mircea_popescu: you are not in the position to even remotely as a joke consider anything but slavish 100% dedication 16 hours a day with no sundays
mircea_popescu: for no pay whatsoever.
mircea_popescu: maybe, and i say MAYBE jobs can come up with "o i dunno, mebbe i feel like working on it" sorta deals
qq1932: mircea_popescu: well, I am not in a position to drop my other projects to pursue this discretionary project.
mircea_popescu: so then your problem's solved right there.
qq1932: mircea_popescu: the other projects hvae employees, progress, etc.
mircea_popescu: to put it in other words : harems are for lords.
bounce: pfft. guys, youse got it all rong
mircea_popescu: plebs get one wife, and love her to death.
mircea_popescu: and that IF they're lucky.
mircea_popescu: now s/woman/idea and you get the idea.
bounce: this project needs self realisation. with, of course, copious fees to dear supplicant to make that all happen.
qq1932: mircea_popescu: I realize that you have self-qualified above with "no". I do not want to convince you based on appeals to authority, collaborators, third-party things, etc. This is a suitable partnership with someone who would self-qualify as 'yes' to the above question. Thank you however.
mircea_popescu: bounce you got previous exposure ?
bounce: it's just updated for the modern age with some ancient-sounding modern physics. best of all worlds, see?
bounce: fuck no, I just got bored of the repetetetetetetetetive sales pitch.
kakobrekla: there are more groups trying to build that scam than there parts needed to supposedly make it.
mircea_popescu: qq1932 i didn't selfanything dood. this ain't about me.
qq1932: mircea_popescu: I don't know how else to put this. I want to pitch just someone who has the level of physics understanding that they would have understood and funded the Watt engine (as an IP play, which is what it was) in 1700 (70 years early.)
bounce: show of hands. is anybody amused by the pitch? does it anything for you at all?
qq1932: There is no pitch so far ,sorry.
punkman: reminds me of broken bird
mircea_popescu: this is like free talk therapy.
mircea_popescu: i would submit that the worst invention of the 20th century was not the a bomb, nor the concentration camp, nor statal racism
kakobrekla: if only you could harvest the energy of people trying to make this happen.
mircea_popescu: but the god damned idea that politeness is something that may be afforded to the horde.
qq1932: It might not be the right audience. I've had interest in other places, but they did not have money. However, I would not like to refer to them, I would really only pitch this specific project, in full, to someone who thinks they have the background, specifically in basic physics.
bounce: .oO( spinning dead energy generation )
mircea_popescu: now they're all going about calling each other sir and acting as if they're fucking people. it's a sickening display.
mircea_popescu: then a generation down the road, you get this derpage.
qq1932: Would anyone else self-qualify as yes to my question?
bounce: much misreading of audience. wow.
RagnarDanneskjol: yes
qq1932: People can decide who they are and what they're interested in.
mircea_popescu: i'm off to read romanian seduction websites, bbl.
kakobrekla: (in a gui)
los_pantalones: so is this non-pitch pitch gonna happen or it's only private shows ?
fluffypony: I was hoping for dinner and a show
fluffypony: but alas
qq1932: los pantalones - I'm afraid nobody has self-qualified as yes to this, so it is not.
qq1932: but thank you for your time guys.
los_pantalones: RagnarDanneskjol did
qq1932: oh, I thought he was agreeing with bounce.
los_pantalones: suppose that's possible as well
RagnarDanneskjol: I know physics sure. whatchu got man
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00075058 = 7.0555 BTC [-] {3}
qq1932: here's the deal guys. if you google >patents public disclosure< you will see that there are limits to what can be said in a public channel, since I do not plan on entering the manufacturing field of the project. privately after a brief agreement I can and am happy to share 100%. tihs is part of why I need someone who would self-qualify as being able to discriminate and, e.g., understand the Watt steam engine in 1700.
bounce: too indirect, sorry.
los_pantalones: pass
qq1932: This project is discretionary for me and if I don't find a backer based on this pre-qualificaiton then it is not happening. I have two other outside commitments that are very serious.
bounce: then it isn't happening. not impressed. sorry.
RagnarDanneskjol: i'll pass thanks
qq1932: it's okay. Nobody has self-qualified. Without the self-qualification, it 100% sounds like a scam. But then, so would the Watt steam engine.
mircea_popescu: http://arsekick.blogspot.com.ar/2010_07_01_archive.html << this is actually not bad.
assbot: Daily Arse Kick: July 2010
RagnarDanneskjol: !down qq1932
mircea_popescu: "Guilt is sexy. You can really only talk dirty to a person if you have been blessed with guilt."
bounce: also, you're now thoroughly in the "waste of time" bucket by saying the same vapid things five times in a row. of course, our fault. so sorry.
nubbins`: thestringpuller
thestringpuller: ground control to major popescu
thestringpuller: ground control to major nubbins`
thestringpuller: lolol
nubbins`: did you get my message re: shirts?
thestringpuller: did not
bounce: yeah uh, where's the protein pills?
nubbins`: ah.
thestringpuller: one second
nubbins`: the fonts in the .ai file weren't outlined, and i don't have the fonts on my system
nubbins`: so your trademark "TM" thing shows up as Arial, dead-center
nubbins`: which i'm assuming is not what you want
nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2014#829917 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-09-2014 00:24:55; nubbins`: thestringpuller shirts finally arrived, printing films; your design doesn't have text converted to outlines
mircea_popescu: "I had this notion that it would be interesting to meet people from all around the world and show them Galway, but most of the visitors we got were extremely boring eastern Europeans who kept their food in a separate plastic bag and got up early to do yoga."
mircea_popescu: apparently couch surfing isn't all it's cracked up to be
thestringpuller: nubbins` yea i can't get in contact with the designer. He's being really sensitive right now.
thestringpuller: So can you put production on pause for 48 hours?
thestringpuller: until I can resolve this?
nubbins`: no rush on my end :)
thestringpuller: of course :)
thestringpuller: but there is on mine as I might be able to get these into Zumiez
nubbins`: nod
nubbins`: anyway, we're ready whenever. shirts are here, films are printed. should be in the mail within 24h of getting the graphic sorted
nubbins`: i also emailed your buddy the same info fwiw
thestringpuller: yea the buddy is annoying me
thestringpuller: kinda wants to put up a silent treatment and waste my and your time ;)
thestringpuller: when did you email him btw?
mircea_popescu: re kako's "cost 18k usd" thing : a financial economy has one benefit exactly, and that is, making the price point not a consideration anymore.
mircea_popescu: in point of fact people can and do spend 18k just on financing for a car they don't need (either because they live in ny, or because it'd be the 3rd family car etc)
mircea_popescu: the only consideration is if the thing actually costs 18k to make (cars don't really, but the mess of "safety" and "environmental" regulations make the "car" as defined actulaly cost a lot to make)
mircea_popescu: in fact items as expensive as 50k are consumer products just fine, because of the finance economy.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.195 = 0.78 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: all you really need to do is make life appear unworth living without your 18k tablet, for guaranteed sales well north of 1.8 trillion
asciilifeform would much rather see computer cost (and worth) 50k then wheeled coffin
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform definitely, i'm not saying barriers must go.
mircea_popescu: the problem of course is the converse situation : products like the btc, wot or gpg, without which life ACTUALLY IS not worth living
mircea_popescu: but which SEEM exactly the contrary.
asciilifeform catches up with log, reads the latest mr. spam, and wonders if he's the only one here familiar with traditional 'агентурная работа' tradecraft. i.e. why the bugger wants you (for some value of 'you') alone, in dark alley, and feeling warm & special & 'pre-qualified.'
asciilifeform: and what his plan is for the recruited chump.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform atm just unit testing, im sure.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so classic and textbook, though, it's riotously funny
bounce: no idea about the (probably) cyrillic, but the tactic was pretty obvious down to boring me to tears
bounce: would 'pre-approved for self-qualification' make a decent shirt somehow?
asciilifeform: bounce: the term 'agent work.' refers to how traitors are traditionally recruited by the masters of the 20th century - totalitarian intelligence agencies. (and, arguably, every intelligence worker since cave man)
mircea_popescu: bounce : agenturnaya rabota
mircea_popescu: suddenly transparent
mircea_popescu: russians having invented robots, they get the benefit of seeing things like "worker worker" whenever someone has a worker robot in a game or somewhere.
asciilifeform: czechs.
mircea_popescu: same difference. small small russians right ?
mircea_popescu: ukrainians ^ -1
bounce: on the note of nigerian scammers deliberately writing horrible ingrish to filter out the chumps... what'd the successful scam ratings do if the regulars in -otc would manage to write well-punctuated correct english?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in exactly same sense clit is micropenis
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's your idea of teh bohemian kingdom ?
mircea_popescu: bounce make a new -otc
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: habsburg affair, doesn't smell very slavic to me
mircea_popescu: because the current one "wrongly vaporized" or w/e was gmaxwell's expression.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well what, germans ?!
bounce: o_O?
asciilifeform: germans.
mircea_popescu: in that case lombards are germans too ?!
mircea_popescu: your idea of germanity is perhaps very similar to napoleon's
mircea_popescu: "well they're not corsicans, i'll tell you that! so..."
asciilifeform: orcs vs humans!
bounce: cheesy argument
asciilifeform: agenturnaya rabota >> in english lands, called, afaik, 'HUMINT.'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform funny linguistic trainwreck : during the early 1990s, the leftover us derps tried to organise the maidan thing in romania too. it was called "miscarea piata universitatii", dunno why the fixation on "plaza" in the name.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: simple heuristic. folks who incorrigibly piss in apartment lobbies, elevators - 'orcs.' those who don't - 'humans', or 'germans' if you like.
mircea_popescu: it failed horribly, the cryptocommie in charge brought some miners from mining country to beat the shit out of the "intellectuals" and assorted aggitators
asciilifeform: aha 'colour revolution.'
bounce: HUMINT is anything to do with running human agents
mircea_popescu: but, on his tv address, he blamed "foreign agenturas", ie, agenturile straine
asciilifeform: bounce: yes.
bounce: google books really excels in being fscking useless
mircea_popescu: which is ridiculous, because in romanian that says "the russians" which were his backers mostly.
asciilifeform: bounce: but before you can 'run' them, have to recruit.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform your pissing theory is weak because singapore went from one to the other over one generation.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not necessarily a zapped theory, just needs a little 'epicycle.' that being: orc and human exist in dynamic equilibrium; 'orcish' land has a trace element of 'human' and vice versa
asciilifeform: so they can in principle flip.
asciilifeform: even without an anthropological 'cleaning' (read megadeath)
RagnarDanneskjol: ha
mircea_popescu: same people tho.
chetty: asciilifeform, whats the russian word for germans actually mean?
mircea_popescu: basically it masquerades as an ontology when it's merely phenomenology is my objection.
mircea_popescu: nemtzi ?
asciilifeform: chetty, mircea_popescu: 'the mute people'
chetty: :P
asciilifeform: think origins of word 'barbarian'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw, as far as romanians are concerned, russians (muscali) have tails.
mircea_popescu: ;;google muscali cu coada
gribble: Calare pe melc: <http://calarepemelc.ro/>; Prea multe urlete Mercantia 2014- vlog ! - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilLxHrZJ8sU>; Dan Constantin Soroiu | Facebook: <https://ro-ro.facebook.com/danconstantin.soroiu>
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: москали, lol
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the ukrs lifted it, too
asciilifeform: but it also is used by provincial folks to gripe about the capital & the central gov. in general. approx. 'damned muscovites'
asciilifeform: same as how many people in usa refer to usg tentacle monster as 'washington'
asciilifeform: even though in reality it is reasonably spread out geographically
mircea_popescu: maryland doesn't have the same ring to it
mircea_popescu: and it'd be hostile to women
chetty: I suppose we are doing the same thing with things like libtards
mircea_popescu: similarly to how noobs and "journalist" derps talk of wall street
mircea_popescu: when it's really connecticut and hampton
bounce: "liberal" sounds right-wing to me, as in non-labour. but then, us politics are right-shifted compared to pinko-commie treehugging yurpeen politics.
mircea_popescu: my peen is righter shifted than your peen
bounce: (how ironic that the USA effectively has a single party left. alright, two names and a dissident faction, but the politics are still muchly one party.)
mircea_popescu: not particularly ironic
mircea_popescu: all places devoid of property end up with a state-party system
asciilifeform: ;;google palace economies
gribble: Palace economy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palace_economy>; "Palace economy" In: The Encyclopedia of Ancient History: <http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/9781444338386.wbeah06237/pdf>; Redistribution in Aegean Palatial Societies | American Journal of ...: <http://www.ajaonline.org/forum/905>
mircea_popescu: such a primitive arrangement even keynesianism is an improvement
chetty: <mircea_popescu> such a primitive arrangement even keynesianism is an improvement//cough cough choke
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: civilopaedia! 'you have developed Monarchy! can now move on from Despotism.'
bounce: what makes a palace economy? >50% of the population on the dole?
mircea_popescu: that end up is not even correct. they are. pretense to the contrary won't long endure.
mircea_popescu: bounce know anyone that did fundamental research on his own account since ww2 ?
asciilifeform: bounce: palace economy is any system where the crown is the (or even 'a') first-class financial, economic, cultural - player.
asciilifeform: but literally - anywhere goods are delivered mainly to - and distributed mainly from - the palace.
bounce: wikipedia says we left the last of those behind in the bronze age. so if the argument goes those things are still around (and they could well be, the eu likes this too for one) then we still need a useful classifier
BingoBoingo: bounce: Well, who feeds the wikipedos?
bounce: little wikichildren nobody thinks about
BingoBoingo: No, that's what they are fed.
BingoBoingo: ;;google wikipedia "Suite A"
gribble: NSA Suite A Cryptography - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_Suite_A_Cryptography>; Suite - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suite>; Suite (music) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suite_(music)>
bounce: oh, our physics peddler is taking it to -otc
kakobrekla: from blockr guys under coinbase; http://blog.coinbase.com/post/97671295752/introducing-toshi-an-open-source-bitcoin-node-for
assbot: The Coinbase Blog Introducing Toshi - An Open Source Bitcoin Node For Developers
BingoBoingo: Interesting kakobrekla
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kakobrekla: good part: works w/o bitcoind
BingoBoingo: Yeah. Also it seems to not have its own wallt implementation, or at least the press release doesn't mention one which is a plus.
kakobrekla: no wallet.
BingoBoingo: Always nice to have more node options that don't care where the transactions they push come from
thestringpuller: "nodes without wallets"
thestringpuller: like "reporters without borders"
kdomanski: ;;ud sneaky rafiki
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Sneaky%20Rafiki | Jan 6, 2008 ... Guy 1: Dude I gave Jess a sneaky rafiki last night! Guy 2: ...... That's fucked up man.. *gives huge high five*. by dirty old man dan March 18, ...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 275 @ 0.00196998 = 0.5417 BTC [-]
jurov: <mircea_popescu> ... make your own fucktoy << you know,this reviled IBM PC was practically opensource and fully extensible hardware
jurov: even the most complicated part of it , the [234]86 was independently replicated
jurov: you see for youself what happened to it anyway.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00074945 = 11.8413 BTC [-]
jurov: 'the mute people'<< same here, additionally "šváb" (Swabian) and "rus" (Russian) are both widely names for cockroach species
jurov: *widely used
jurov: Swabians vaguely means Germans
jurov: lol actually there is more
kakobrekla: švab is german here also.
jurov: Šváb obyčajný = Blatta orientalis
jurov: Rus domový= Blatella germanica (wtf)
jurov: and of course Šváb americký = Periplaneta americana
jurov: so, both east (near and far) and west got equal recognition.
TheNewDeal: curious to see if anyone knows how http://bitcoincharts.com/ calculates network hashrate. Looked around a little and couldnt find the answer
assbot: Bitcoin Charts