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trinque: shinohai: obama will surely pardon ulbricht after enough awareness is raised by these freedom fighters.
shinohai: Maybe if we get enough upvotes guise, the Judge will feel remorse and overturn the sentence!
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trinque: thestringpuller: why isn't this guy here?
trinque: I'd have said I wanna smoke a blunt with him even if he didn't call his site "dankwiki"
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thestringpuller: trinque: cause he's elusive as fuck. I'd have to track him down between his meth binges in New York.
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 00:59:09; mircea_popescu: the real question is why the fuck would she want to go back.
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trinque: thestringpuller: with a little more meth in the WoT we might get that #b-a distro done!
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Yeah, the proto-form of their "less unofficial" distro
trinque: shame that this "linux distro" work is expected to be free
trinque: I'd pay a guy like the gentleman that used to package Slackware a reasonable fee per release
trinque: I guess he still does, actually.
trinque: perhaps you could do a bidding system whereby packages are bid into the next release
trinque: heh, starts to look sort of like the blocksize thing and transaction fees
trinque: you could sell options.. perhaps someone wants to know he can get his package into the 3rd quarter release when it comes around, but his release date might slip
trinque dreams of market forces in computing again
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trinque: asciilifeform: meaning how do you price that guy's hour vs this guy's, or something else?
trinque: how else do you get someone to spend all their time on something than paying them?
trinque: I would agree it makes little sense to "maintain" a package for only a short duration contract
trinque: would take a longer interval of pondering to dream up a contract that'd work
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trinque: that a company exists which sells contracts to maintain packages on a certain distro
trinque: there's some market within which to purchase and trade this company's time
trinque: lets say for nginx; I would pay 1k/yr
trinque: building it against libressl on #b-a linux and expedient building and backporting of fixes
trinque: or whatever the conditions may be
trinque: could start with maintenance of the "ebuild" and nothing further; it really depends on the revenue
trinque: and I don't see this working for a vast number of packages
trinque: asciilifeform: funneling upstream's work into released packages on #b-a linux
trinque: does this require a musl patch? does this ...
trinque: if that's the cost, a contract to do the work would have to reflect it
trinque: and then if nobody buys it, doesn't get done
trinque: yes, though I do continue to wonder how it'd do with an actual *market*
trinque: can't compare the cost of edible food with the turd
trinque: anyhow, perhaps someone will offer to sell his time maintaining something through the deedbot- buy/sell board I'm hacking on at the moment
☟︎ trinque: haha! well I know how to write a contract
trinque: and I don't pay kids up front
trinque: maybe anton_osika wants an honest way to earn back his 3 BTC, lol
trinque: one thing that clearly would not work is this sort of decentralized micro-payments bullshit I've heard proposed before
trinque: "gittip" or things in ideological proximity
trinque: because you're right, somebody doing a drive-by on nginx for a week is more harm than good
trinque: but without a market we have no fucking clue what the cost of this work is
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phf: pkgsrc is another option, besides ebuild. they have some equivalent of use flags. i used it to run a unix stack on mac os x (fvwm, firefox, x11 emacs, etc.)
phf: a low hanging fruit that still satisfies ascii's requirements of 50000 package dependencies would be to build a linux substrate with a sane .config and userspace, which has all the necessary components to host pkgsrc
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cazalla: ya gonna have to get in the wot Vexual, no longer am i doing this pm and !up business
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 03:41:50; trinque: anyhow, perhaps someone will offer to sell his time maintaining something through the deedbot- buy/sell board I'm hacking on at the moment
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shinohai: Visual representation of how XT works?
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punkman: Reporter: I feel like I ruin the IT guy's day every time I have to ask for something. Editor: No, all his days are like that.
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mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: So the people in #bitcoin-xt have <<< i'm like wtf, srsly ? /join #bitcoin-xt turns out there's one other guy there and williamdunne made the chan. lol. mkay.
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273847 << cuz at the time it wasn't exactly clear how this'd work (as the contract is a future on a yet nonexistent pair) and cuz i wanted it to be a negotiable instrument rather than a specified thing, specifically because that sort of vague future deal requires some room to wiggle.
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 16:23:57; thestringpuller: why not just build delivery into the contract as a fail-safe...
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 16:27:56; shinohai: fluffypony: "Seriously, wtf. even a retard can put the wallet.dat on DropBox and be 99% safer than this." <<< LOLZ
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 16:32:52; shinohai: I wish I had known about this place during the TradeFortress brouhaha. I called that one 6 months prior.
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 16:55:40; ascii_field: (or, for that matter, ~before~)
mircea_popescu: usg is roughly in the position of the guy lost on a deserted island, who comes out of the closet, toi the rocks and the palm trees.
mircea_popescu: much to his surprise, the blowback is significantly less thgan what he had expected!
mircea_popescu: [by virtue of nobody else being on that same island] apparently nobody wants to burn him at the stake!
mircea_popescu: bwahahaha that came out great. in romanian must = pre wine (stum).
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 05:03:12; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski !לשׁנה טובה
mircea_popescu: and if it can't drive a 10,000 x 5,000 pixel array at reasonable frame rate << how did you get the numbers asciilifeform ? for instance, shouldn't it be 16:9 ? so then why not 16000 : 9000 ? 8000:4500 ?
☟︎ pete_dushenski: it's just a bit of desert tribe scribblies, nothing to fear
pete_dushenski: i dunno where the el apostrophe comes from, to be honest
pete_dushenski: "L'shanah tovah tikatevu" means "May you be inscribed for a good year"
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pete_dushenski: i obviously care neither for moyle nor two sets of dishes, but plenty of people believe in childish fractals
pete_dushenski: til : In many parts of the English speaking world (UK, Ireland, Australia, Canada, and South Africa) “practice” is the noun, “practise” the verb.
pete_dushenski: i was toiling under the impression that it was the 's' was the british spelling and 'c' the american
pete_dushenski: americans will use 'c' for both noun and verb, brits differentiate
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 17:06:01; ascii_field: something that, were it to exist, would let #b-a folks set the bozo bit on the rest of the so-called linux komyooniti
mircea_popescu: it does not need to serve any practical function other than, allowing people so willing to set the bozo bit on the idiot club.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: not eating with the animals is a very important health practice
mircea_popescu: the difference between "at mercy of parasites" and "reasonably healthy" is strictly predicated on "not commensal with beasts of the field"
pete_dushenski: i knew that public health training was going to come in handy, but i didn't expect that it be on computers !
mircea_popescu: i dunno that anyone but anthropologists even conceptualize interspecies commensalism.
mircea_popescu: but there was a time, people and jackals ate the same three day old carcasses.
mircea_popescu: there was a time, actually, botulism killed more people than disentery.
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pete_dushenski: well botulism isn't hard to acquire when you're stuffing umbilical cord stumps with dirt
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mircea_popescu: (unlike adults, infants do not have a means of protection and so the bacterium can inhabit their gut and poison them.)
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 13:44:58; mircea_popescu: it does not need to serve any practical function other than, allowing people so willing to set the bozo bit on the idiot club.
mircea_popescu wouldn't mind using that on a few skulls, so. progress!
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 13:33:33; mircea_popescu: and if it can't drive a 10,000 x 5,000 pixel array at reasonable frame rate << how did you get the numbers asciilifeform ? for instance, shouldn't it be 16:9 ? so then why not 16000 : 9000 ? 8000:4500 ?
mircea_popescu: "unless it runs 10k x 5k i won't use it, except i do".
mircea_popescu: aha. this, incidentally. it's fucking medieval, you know, for man to work a day and at the end of it to have less than a day's work to show for it.
mircea_popescu: the fucking idea is to get POSITIVE leverage for crying out loud
mircea_popescu: the notion that "study is just another kind of work" belongs in the same burning pile with "paper is just another kind of money"
mircea_popescu: study is just another kind OF PLAY ; and paper is just another kind of TP.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the point of study isn't "memorize this list of bugs"
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 13:10:44; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well yes, i ended it.
mircea_popescu: which leaves phuctor in dire need of a new home. unless anyone comes forward with something (hey jurov what's the word there ?) i guess ima get another box at another dubious provider
☟︎ mircea_popescu: nah, no us, no china, no russia. let the non-idiots have a chance.
mircea_popescu: not the sole, but a significant one with very modest expense for the lolz.
mircea_popescu: (if i actually lived there and was doing a dc business, 100% what i'd call it.)
mircea_popescu: except of course if one's the sort of sexually frustrated guy that lives on a boat with a broken down engine
mircea_popescu: a) sexually interesting ; b) sexually active ; c) very stupid. to life-threatening levels.
mircea_popescu: a bimbo is the sort of woman that will drop a hot cast iron pot on your foot sending you to hospital for six weeks because you offered her flowers.
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 01:27:15; mats: howbout reasons why win10 ain't so bad as win7, 8, 8.1.
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 01:27:35; mats: not because i'm trying to convince anyone to use it, but maybe, zoological purposes
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: and you watched married with children ?? they showed this in romania ?
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 17:06:56; ascii_field: debian was never it.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski wouldn't go as far as watched, but it was immensely popular and i am culturally aware.
mircea_popescu: at the time it looked like they might go somewhere with it.
mircea_popescu: but read the fucking old ml, nobody goes "here, try this binary", it's always "add this, recompile, say what happens"
mircea_popescu: heck, are the mls even still visible from this ever-so-useful www
mircea_popescu: and forgets to mention where he got the idea. and OF COURSE to no very constructive end.
mircea_popescu: " I readily understand the vanity involved, nevertheless let me point out to you that it's actually to your detriment to attempt to separate yourself from the source of things you like. "
mircea_popescu: finding el dorado and RUNNING OFF with a chunk of gold you found in the street is NOT how you get rich.
mircea_popescu: it's how you make yourself poor against god's patent will.
mircea_popescu: italy found america first, never told anyone, was rich
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 17:13:08; ascii_field: assuming my hardware RAID cards continue to work
mircea_popescu: contrary to the more or less agreement seems to be (video) i suspect raid may be a worse tarpit.
pete_dushenski: "Last year I intended to transfer £760 from the Halifax to my Nationwide account. Unfortunately, I mistyped a digit of the account number and the money went to a stranger." << another anton
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski that never fucking happens. it's rank nonsense.
mircea_popescu: in my entire busienss experience something of that description happened exactly once ; it was a customer of MY SAME BANK using the short form slips they have (not the full iban, just the acct #) and sent money to me instead of his intended recipient. the bank asked me if i am releasing it, which i did, and it was done the same day.
pete_dushenski: maybe 'the guardian' just wants to inform more tards of their unpreparedness for crypto. not a bad service, i guess (tm)
mircea_popescu: but as it is, the payment won't clear (ie, won't leave sending bank to go to receiving bank) unless the name and number match.
mircea_popescu: (which is chiefly why they give you a slot to put an intended name in)
assbot: I have lost £760 by mistyping a single digit … and Nationwide won’t give it back | Money | The Guardian ... (
http://bit.ly/1OUcFMH )
mircea_popescu: and whenever a new ditz was hired to do paperwork, and she fucked this up, the bank rep would call me to fix it.
pete_dushenski: and $1k is news because it caters to the masses of improverished minds and souls
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 06:27:51; mircea_popescu: "Fractal -- from Wolfram MathWorld mathworld.wolfram.com/Fractal.html A fractal is an object or quantity that displays self-similarity, in a somewhat technical sense, on all scales. The object need not exhibit exactly the same structure ..."
pete_dushenski: no information is provided, nor is not to be obtained by digging.
kakobrekla: >slot to put an intended name in < i can put a space in that field when in online bank as it should not be blank - and it works. i wonder if this would pass a bank worker. "no no, i did write empty spaces there"
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 17:15:09; ascii_field: this, incidentally, is ~the~ bar for formalization. IFF you can do it on a computer, then ~possibly~ you really have a formal handle on the mechanics. but NOT before then.
pete_dushenski: both of which (guardian+pamers) provide a panem et circenses effect. period.
mircea_popescu: obviously the fact that the road is observably long and the first steps haven't been made is somewhat concerning
mircea_popescu: but it is concerning asto the sanity of the would be "travellers"
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 13:35:26; pete_dushenski: l'shana tova : happy new year :)
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla lol you can leave it blank, i occasionalyl did, but you really shouldn't.
mircea_popescu: because odds are you'll go back to the clerk to fix it for you and he'll be... WELL WHY THE FUCK DID YOU NOT USE THE SAFEGUARD
mircea_popescu: (in practice he'll warn you this makes it a bearer instrument. which is not technically correct, but conveys the point.)
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pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: plz no more links to 'the guardian', i'm begging you. you post something, i start digging, and i end up woefully riled up at the rampant and despotic idiocy of that once fair island
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 17:18:08; ascii_field: ~i~ can. trinque apparently can. mircea_popescu iirc was not able to. and hanbot also did not.
pete_dushenski: this is perhaps a personal and public castigation of myself, and a reminder to future me not to click on the clickbait!
mircea_popescu: or w/e it is. trinque where does the recipe or whatever it is live ? link ?
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski i used to follow the "press" links in here. now i mostly ignore them. shit's unreadable.
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 17:20:33; ascii_field: trinque: my understanding is that mircea_popescu would like a linux that is analogous to what we did with therealbitcoin. where the tree is frozen, all arguably-superfluous things are jettisoned, and any further changes must come from wot folk.
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 17:22:28; kakobrekla: imma guess we are phucked without standard hw. also phucked with (for other obvious reasons)
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 17:45:06; ascii_field: trinque: if i wanted to build things by hand, and resolve dependency hells by hand, i'd be using buildroot linux.
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 17:45:47; ascii_field: trinque: for the 50,000 or so packages which i use ?!?!!
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 17:46:37; thestringpuller: need more cult members
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 18:01:16; ascii_field: and it takes a dozen runs or more, to arrive at a usable chip.
mircea_popescu: it's true that organic complex systems take a number of tries to arrive at a result. but that sort of failure rate is not seen in nature - woman doesn't abort 10 for every one it carries to term. aborts less than half.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, in engineering people obviously went from building bridges that sometimes stood up to building bridges that almost always stay up.
mircea_popescu: however, back in the day when 9 oiut of 10 bridges DIDNT stay up, there didn't even exist bridgebuilding as a distinct and named activity.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: yet somehow the proposition is that "usg" has a sort of control over an activity which generally fails.
mircea_popescu: so, perhaps cheaper than "make your own si fab" : make one that works, eat their pie.
☟︎ kakobrekla: > building bridges that almost always stay up. < this is due to chinafication. need it as cheap and as fast as possible, other parameters irrelevant.
mircea_popescu: (china wasn't invented yet, but yes, cheap fast nevermind school of engineering)
kakobrekla: at least thats what i get from my contacts in the bezzle.
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 18:09:08; ascii_field: but it is very clear, from their www, that it is a 'if you have to ask for prices, you can't afford this' affair.
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 18:14:25; ascii_field: MICROSOFT HAS CONFIRMED that Windows 10 is being downloaded to computers whether or not users have opted in.
mircea_popescu: yes, you will download Derpy Adventures 17 whether you intend to watch it or not!
shinohai: "My gf said she was bad and needed to be punished, so I installed Windows 10 on her laptop."
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 13:59:06; mircea_popescu: study is just another kind OF PLAY ; and paper is just another kind of TP.
funkenstein_: I speak physics however: play is work. Energy expended = force * distance = work.
mircea_popescu: Energy expended = force * distance = lucru mecanic. not just work - "mechanical work", aka, that fiction.
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assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 19:22:25; BingoBoingo: Spare bedroom, pull up carpet, make vestibule, vacuum obsessively, start negative pressure fans, vacuum some more, find iso guides to class your new cleanroom.
mircea_popescu: a mini-cleanroom is to be made in your yard out of shipping containers.
mircea_popescu: lol that entire convo was entertaining. "they snuck in the clean room and made out!!1"
mircea_popescu: anyway, very fucking unclear what it'd be useful or usable for, past emergency field surgery.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> anyway, very fucking unclear what it'd be useful or usable for, past emergency field surgery. << Any other pursuit that fits the space and makes messes.
BingoBoingo: But I guess shipping container would be much cheaper
BingoBoingo: Of course so long as you want it to stay a clean room, but eventually gotta end the cleanroom some way.
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 19:51:41; phf: anton_osika thread reminds me of thomas jefferson arguing for debt relief while heavily indebted, he also uses "this is best for the people" argument, with the main difference that the debt question was at the time open, where's what osika is arguing against is the core idea of gpg contracts. the point of the thread has been fully answered in gpg contracts article and with a poetic take in hanbot's story, both
mircea_popescu: which, considering it goes with the rest of the "people are too stupid to own real guns, real computers, etc" trend
mircea_popescu: im kinda surprised it's not here yet. but perhaps the roll up of the "college debt" nonsense will come to that : people get auto-ressetting debt on a 7 yo period.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: and then one needn't explain why interest rates are 20-50% pa for some schmucks, and yet "0.0%" for thje fed.
mircea_popescu: this connection between one interest and another interest is most embarassing to the usg, in the way it keeps exposing the hush hush inflation problem.
mircea_popescu: (inflation being, of course, just the monetary equivalent of "stealing the having been stolen from". people do a pretty decent job of managing to forget their parents lived better than they will.)
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 21:24:02; phf: i suppose one half of b-a should start on a linux distro and the other work on cl-emacs naggum always wanted *ducks*
mircea_popescu: if there's a good argument against suicide, naggum-b-a might be it.
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 21:29:46; gernika:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272365 << Incidentally I attempted to look up Mr. Blair in the 1958 ed. of Encyclopedia Brittanica and could find nothing on him. Apparently he was not yet notable by then. Would love to know what the editorial verdict would have been.
mircea_popescu: (for the record the book isn't very good, but hey. pulp fiction._
funkenstein_: On the literature tip, /me wonders if any RU speakers have tried Звенящие кедры России
gernika: He must have been *something* of a thing to have been assigned reading pre-internet. Also there was the well known MacIntosh commercial. I must admit to being completely unaware of his internet cachet.
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gernika: I probably just liked it because of the sex.
gernika: Girl gave me henry miller 4 years later :(
mircea_popescu: incidentally, heh, the days ridley scott was directing jobs' signle shot ad campaigns.
mircea_popescu: i maintain that apple's exactly ONLY know how was "how to get roi on advertising".
mircea_popescu: that's all they ever did right. not a tiny thing, either, but has exactly 0 to do with tech.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: (the chick in that ad, btw, Anya Major, is probably best known to the audience as the russki chick in elton john's stupid nikita thing)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2915 @ 0.00076036 = 2.2164 BTC [-]
analmaster: oh nevermind i thought that said penis injector
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 14:53:38; mircea_popescu: so, perhaps cheaper than "make your own si fab" : make one that works, eat their pie.
ascii_field: see the old chemical sim discussion for some of the reasons why
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 14:52:55; mircea_popescu: however, back in the day when 9 oiut of 10 bridges DIDNT stay up, there didn't even exist bridgebuilding as a distinct and named activity.
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 15:30:36; mircea_popescu: (inflation being, of course, just the monetary equivalent of "stealing the having been stolen from". people do a pretty decent job of managing to forget their parents lived better than they will.)
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 15:38:30; mircea_popescu: if there's a good argument against suicide, naggum-b-a might be it.
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 16:11:49; mircea_popescu: that's all they ever did right. not a tiny thing, either, but has exactly 0 to do with tech.
ascii_field: yes, some of us know how to make unix workstation out of dirt
ascii_field: like that fella who knows how to make a working kalash from a shovel
ascii_field: at one point there was hp, sgi, sun, buncha others now forgotten (sony NEWS ! yes) but today it's apple.
gribble: (later tell <nick> <text>) -- Tells <nick> <text> the next time <nick> is in seen. <nick> can contain wildcard characters, and the first matching nick will be given the note.
assbot: Jarryd Hayne's debut as seen in Australia: a fumble, flags and breaks – as it happened | Sport | The Guardian ... (
http://bit.ly/1KkN3EF )
BingoBoingo: "Kaepernick goes wide. And there’s another break. Everyone has a drink. My, there are some breaks. More breaks than Alcatraz."
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Move laterally on the field away from the central disputed territory so that you might catch the pass away from defenders
BingoBoingo: Or Rush down the center (done while carrying a ball handed to you)
BingoBoingo: At least half the time thrown footballs don't get caught anyways
ascii_field: as it is, you gotta understand that yields are nowhere near 100% and especially not in a discount factory primarily used by students graded on a curve.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00076036 = 11.8616 BTC [-]
ascii_field: gotta love the spin, 'free content illegal'
ascii_field: whereas just as factually it is 'charge for some bytes but not others'
BingoBoingo: The more I play with TI-92 the more I wish it was still more of a "desktop" calculator with keyboard, mouse, and montior
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: download the rom (see logs) and run the emulator.
BingoBoingo wonders if TI-92 ROM can be made to boot on old Macintosh
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: it will not boot a mac. not only entirely different peripherals, but slightly differing cpu
ascii_field: but it will run beautifully on emulator. of which there are at least a dozen.
BingoBoingo actually wondering if a "coldfire" board can be used to make such a machine
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37100 @ 0.00076036 = 28.2094 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: But not interested in computer that runs calculator software so much as calculator that scales up to computer.
mircea_popescu: in the "all leaks are catastrophic leaks" school of cryptoplumbing
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> unpredictable, largely unpreventable, and very high failure rate. << there is no such thing.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: go and grow perfect si crystal, and do a perfect litho on it, and come back ?
ascii_field: collect the remaining riches of the world.
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> naggum ~had~ something like #b-a - comp.lang.lisp. very similar mix of brain. << not unlike saying you have si in your fridge. there's bottles there, very similar "mix of atoms".
BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> mircea_popescu: go and grow perfect si crystal, and do a perfect litho on it, and come back ? << ANd biology isn't relevant to Bitcoin?
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: biology is terrible example here
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i don't need to lay an egg to tell you this one's rotten.
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Nah, you gotta understand when Intel goes bust USG will have monsanto to fab chips
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: intel will go bust shortly after the mongols water their horses in the potomac
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21324 @ 0.00076905 = 16.3992 BTC [+] {3}
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: true. but si fab is not 1 in 10k either.
mircea_popescu: <deedbot-> [BitBet Bets Bets] 11.28000000 BTC on 'No' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 << whoa that's some decent bang for a buck. ty internets.
assbot: BitBet - Rand Paul will get less than 7 minutes in Sept. 16th Republican debate :: 5.04 B (94%) on Yes, 0.31 B (6%) on No | closed 17 hours 23 minutes ago ... (
http://bit.ly/1KkQ9bU )
BingoBoingo: But would still need to improve over his last round with another minute and a half
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: they make great bureaucrats, aha
mircea_popescu: "And that simply raises the question, how far will this Internet content standard go? What kinds of business practices that innovative new competitors might want to introduce might be frowned upon by the FCC?” << superlulzy, because the behaviour discussed is deeply un-innovative. in fact, it's strictly monopoly milking.
gernika: A mobile phone company I worked at recently was fully indianized.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: there is nothing a telco does which is ~not~ in some way monopoly-milking
mircea_popescu: funny how every two bit scammer/fraudster/rent seeker is quick to misrepresent himself as "innovative" "competitor" "entrepreneur" and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field well yeah. being that the state had to get involved into it.
ascii_field: he set the mega-example for others to follow.
mircea_popescu: Starting in 2016, the IRS will no longer accept checks for $100 million or more because the equipment at the Federal Reserve Bank that processes checks can’t handle checks for more than 8 digits. Checks larger than that have to be processed manually by hand, which, according to internal memos obtained by the Associated Press, could increase “the risk of theft, fraud and errors.”
mircea_popescu: according to new research by Gavin & Mike, in 2020 that number will reduce to 4 digits, and then continue to halve every few years!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18076 @ 0.00077357 = 13.9831 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 21:46:56; mats: fun fact: gpg's serialization layer uses s-expressions rather than asn.1 and as a result, despite being hand-rolled in C, there doesn't appear to be any memory corruption in canonical mode
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1324 @ 0.00076036 = 1.0067 BTC [-] {2}
williamdunne sends check to federal reserve for $214,748,364.78
mircea_popescu: just fucking burn it down already. there's absolutely no reason to continue the charade. "law abiding" = terrorist.
mircea_popescu: it's the people burning shit down that are the true law abiding folk.
gernika: Was there ever a check on nonsense rulings like this and recent Supreme Court decisions?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: it's a straight usg colony
ascii_field: it'll be grounds for expedited shipment to gitmo
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 15:29:21; mircea_popescu: im kinda surprised it's not here yet. but perhaps the roll up of the "college debt" nonsense will come to that : people get auto-ressetting debt on a 7 yo period.
mircea_popescu: kinda weird they missed the great 2008 opportunity for that, was expecting more lively action on that.
ascii_field: debt (of the idiot credit card kind! not even houses/cars/tuition) is ~the~ collector
mircea_popescu: "Then, the patient gradually became more alert with an increased ability to follow commands over the next evening and was at baseline 38 hours after presenting to the hospital. The patient did have significant associated morbidities including 3 thoracic spine compression fractures, a comminuted humeral head fracture likely secondary to seizures and requiring arthroplasty, and multiple rib fractures secondary to CPR. Sh
mircea_popescu: e was discharged home on hospital day 3 with a sodium level of 133 mmol/L and baseline mental status."
mircea_popescu: "we broke her ribs and other things, but hey, she responds to commands now"
mircea_popescu: and all this because they wanted her to dedicate her entire fucking day to taking it up the ass for the great god of colonoscopy.
assbot: Federal Court Invalidates 11-Year-old FBI gag order on National Security Letter recipient Nicholas Merrill | The Calyx Institute ... (
http://bit.ly/1KkUcF0 )
ascii_field: 'The ruling marks the first time that an NSL gag order has been lifted in full since the PATRIOT Act vastly expanded the scope of the FBI’s NSL authority in 2001.'
mircea_popescu: hey, at least they admit the nsl was there before 2001.
ascii_field: 'The Court observed that, according to the government, Mr. Merrill would only be allowed to discuss the kinds of records the FBI demanded in “a world in which no threat of terrorism exists, or a world in which the FBI, acting on its own accord and its own time, decides to disclose the contents of the Attachment.”'
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i dunno why old people put up with it, seriously. << Took grandpa until halfway to his eigth decade to take a stand on no more fingers and scopes up the butt and no more needles in the eye.
kakobrekla: >The ETH scam won't see 2016 < isnt this a negative bet?
mircea_popescu: "Asked how often investigations are stymied by encryption, Kiran Raj, a senior counsel of the Department of Justice, responded with a non-answer. “It is an important point that you make, that we have to provide the sense of a scale,” he said."
mircea_popescu: listen up raj your mother-s a whore go back to india : you don't fucking get to score the questions
mircea_popescu: nobody cares what some anon goat fucker thinks on any topic. on your knees, answer humbly and move on.
mircea_popescu: you are a SERVANT. nothing more. just like your mom used to be, minus the assfucking.
ascii_field: what army, exactly, will put him on his knees ?
mircea_popescu: "Hess said that data currently available on investigations, including the annual wiretap report indicating that agents encountered encryption only a handful of times during the course of the year, is simply wrong." << it is simply wrong, because it never figures in court matter, because they parallel construct to all hell and don't know how to do it well
mircea_popescu: (lying, of any kind it might be, always takes more clever than speaking the truth. it also always enbds up taking more cleverf than is available, but that's secondary here.)
mircea_popescu: anyway, anyone know this Jenna McLaughlin chick ? invite her over.
☟︎ ascii_field: they are rescued by the complete lack of any consequences for story which does not hang together (e.g., '9/11' details, or the 'how they found ulbricht' story, etc)
ascii_field: a parallel-constructed nsa tap is just another 'anonymous tip' to these folks.
mircea_popescu: "how" they found ulbricht = "we discovered this github post" or what was it ?
ascii_field: my point was that usg is not burdened with the need to lie ~plausibly~.
mircea_popescu: and with the force the 4th guy... the whole thing looked more like turf war between rival drug lords, on of which being the usg, than anything legitimate.
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 18:04:38; mircea_popescu: anyway, anyone know this Jenna McLaughlin chick ? invite her over.
mircea_popescu: but yes, trivial to find this sort of shit once you got the guy
punkman: well he made way too many mistakes too count
punkman: we'll never know that of course
assbot: [MPEX] [S.QNTR] 35150 @ 0.00040884 = 14.3707 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26762 @ 0.00076006 = 20.3407 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19086 @ 0.00076579 = 14.6159 BTC [+] {3}
punkman: "Life is short, sell your 0days" << good slogan for exploit-ebay
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00075915 = 12.4501 BTC [-]
ascii_field: punkman: i don't think this is actually possible. see log.
assbot: Logged on 30-05-2015 17:38:54; asciilifeform: think of it this way (possibly paraphrasing old thread.) imagine you discovered a cache of plutonium bricks in your back yard. (rtg in space probe fell apart?) would you let them go to a scrap dealer for 100 usd each? knowing that they are worth millions, and at the same time risking your arse by revealing that you ever had them to begin with? or would you say 'fuck you' and dig a deeper hole?
williamdunne sees no reason why most people would need to directly touch a blockchain
ascii_field: williamdunne: thread in question was about the impossibility of selling exploits
ascii_field: (you may have been told that people are doing it, and yes, there are people who think they are doing it. but they are being scammed. often, on both sides of the table simultaneously...)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00075885 = 11.3828 BTC [-]
ascii_field: genesis at the bottom, and nothing else colinear with it;
ascii_field: the next level of descent, one notch above it;
mod6: ah. yeah, i'll have to play around with the format, etc. we'll see if i can make it happen. maybe?
mats: is it a scam if you sell a commodity for 1/10 of what its worth, knowing you could not move it for market value anyway?
ascii_field: mats: seller, for instance, can disclose the patch immediately after sale
mod6: as far as the 'experimental' patches, i agree about the 'maxint_locks' patch.... maybe there's a better word than experimental. and, anyway, this will all change soon anyhow, so not sure how urgent it is.
mats: sure, its highly asymmetrical, all parties involved know this
ascii_field: mats: and yes, i have something that i know is worth $10M but since i don't have blue blood i can only get a hundy for it, i would MUCH prefer to burn it.
ascii_field: and i am certainly ~NOT~ risking gasenwagen to get that hundy.
mats: more like 20k instead of 10mn.
ascii_field: and it isn't like a schmuck from the street can get 20k as it is now.
mats: 20k in buttcoins, mate
mats: someone who isn't me.
mats: a fella you own, of course
ascii_field: and what is ~his~ assurance that i won't immediately pastebin the goods
mats: none at all. isn't it exciting?
mats: when i'm in a different jurisdiction, yes, will be exciting
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11864 @ 0.00075899 = 9.0047 BTC [+]
gernika: mircea_popescu just recieved exact same email
ascii_field: mats: if caching 0days were as easy as you suggest, there is no reason why you ought to be stuck in usaschwitz. go, move in next door to mircea_popescu ?
mats: i don't have any 0days.
mats: i know a broker with buyers, however...
assbot: The pseudo-Bitcoinsphere feels just as squishy-poo as the Romanian pseudo-blogosphere felt five years or so ago. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... (
http://bit.ly/1Y9f9Nm )
mircea_popescu: ascii_field> and what is ~his~ assurance that i won't immediately pastebin the goods << you ever heard of teh wot ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: you ever heard of the-transaction-cant-be-public ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Will look into it, but there has been "masquerade" spamming lately. Hard to tell if actual impersonation though or plausible deniability scam
ascii_field: otherwise i would have to include the cost of an army in my price
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.000777 = 15.54 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i'm not sure why such a concern would be of any interest. this "fund" is not represented in the wot. consequently, any piece of email purportying to be from them ACTUALLY IS every time that is detrimental to them
shinohai: "Si te sientes guapa" <<< LOL that's all it takes ....
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Just that lingering doubt is why I'm going to keep digging for other stuff to consider qntra-ing up
mircea_popescu: ascii_field couldja for five minutes stop with this "i know how things are in direct proportion of how little i know about them" ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field what part of wot requires any deal be public!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Anyways last week there was nearly identical spam floating around under Pantera Capital's name. Spam's not really news.
ascii_field: let's say it does not. so i renege and pastebin the exploit i just sold. vendor negrates me: '-10, poopyhead, can't say why publicly'
ascii_field: so i generate a new key. but, you will say, next buyer will not deal with a nobody ? then why would they have dealt with me earlier ?
mircea_popescu: for all you know it can literally say "i don't trust him".
ascii_field: so now we have 'you gotta associate your existing identity with selling 0days'
ascii_field: humour me, say i want to sell an 0day today.
mircea_popescu: and by uncomfortable i mean, the places where yo ususpect the solution may lie.
mircea_popescu: suppose someoine who isn't us registers 0day_bourbaky in the wot.
mircea_popescu: yes it works once. how many times do you want it to work.
ascii_field: will you rate the 10,001st one when 10,000 renege ?
ascii_field: in this example, i'm just an earthworm. watching.
mircea_popescu: stop trying to force the inept mental jump on me. i am neither inept nor am i making it.
mircea_popescu: seller has a minimum of two 0 days. he creates a wot account for the purpose of selling these and future ones indefinitely. seller publishes one freom that account as a proof, announces he has more, explains what it costs. sends it encrypted once gets paid. gets rated. what's the big deal.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: understand, if i'm merely thick and you can describe a working mechanism, people ~will~ use...
mircea_popescu: and if seller doesn't want to burn one, seller can just ask (PRIVATELY) friends to rate it.
mats: this is how i imagine it would work
mircea_popescu: but the caveat being that if seller has exactly one, and no reason to suspect he will ever have more, this entire thing is a wot. aka, waste of time.
mircea_popescu: and he should just play the good researcher and publish it.
ascii_field: give the plutonium away for free to the first idiot pastebin reader who comes along, aha.
ascii_field: why bother digging it out of the ground to begin with ?
mircea_popescu: it's provably the best usage, if you don't secrete it.
mircea_popescu: mno. words have meanings. " no reason to suspect he will ever have more".
mircea_popescu: this precludes any bothering. because bothering is a thing of work, which is a reason to suspect.
mircea_popescu: either he can make them, at some rate whatever it may be, but nonzero (even if it's so low in the end it ends up being 0), and then he has a business being a seller.
ascii_field: it is entirely possible to find a potential exploit in the course of unrelated work. developing it into an ACTUAL exploit takes sweat.
ascii_field: mats will understand what i speak of here.
mircea_popescu: or else he can not make them, just found some meteor, in which case he has no business being a seller. because nobody may sell what he can't make.
ascii_field: i think it is necessary to put on magic glasses, which i don't have, to see 'poor inheritors'
ascii_field: because afaik most of the serious money is in the hands of inheritors even now.
ascii_field: also saud et al will beg to differ that 'you cannot sell what you do not make'
mircea_popescu: apparently the web doesn't have the quote. something like "my dear, i'm going out to find my pride. and if i ever find it, we'll see if it's still worth a damn to either of us."
mircea_popescu: ascii_field they can beg all they want, it's adequate to them.
mircea_popescu: what you can not make you can only give away. never sell.
ascii_field: so what, saudi golden toilet is leaden somehow ?
ascii_field: because on the planet where i live, the richest folk, as far as naked eye can see, are resource extractors
mircea_popescu: anyway. this entire "if you only got one and don't know how you got it, either - you therefore must publish" thing is exactly because that's how one learns.
mircea_popescu: for as long as you don't have a method to make them laugh, you're not to epxect to be paid for your "Comedian services".
ascii_field: saudi brass spend a million usd like i spend a dollar in a coke machine. and i know this through degree-1 meatwot.
mircea_popescu: you're to tell your jokes freely as much as possible, so as to learn how it works.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field are you in a position to negrate this "degree-1" "meatwot" ?
mircea_popescu: for that matter, i spent a million like you spend a dollar in a coke machine.
mircea_popescu: and coke was "degree-1" involved, iirc buffett still owns lots of it.
mircea_popescu: shit, you actually do that every day ?! IT'S BAD FOR YOU
mircea_popescu: just saying, expenditure's not the measure of the world. but anyway.
ascii_field: but there was a time when i got caffeinated goop from vending machines, at uni.
ascii_field: was trying to point out that the folks who 'make nothing' (true!) have pretty much infinite money.
ascii_field: and access to 'turkeys' approximately as fast as they can be produced.
ascii_field: re: meatwot, all i meant was that i personally know a fella, who i trust to describe what he saw, who saw the palaces and ludicrous 'stotting'
thestringpuller: re: meatwot, don't think one exist since memory if fallible
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: re: repeated sales of exploits, there are also opsec considerations.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: it is possible sometimes, from the overall flavour of the items, for hitler to ferret out whom to shoot.
ascii_field: (as may have been the case with 'snowden-2', though these were not exploits in the sense meant in this thread)
thestringpuller: otherwise drug dealers wouldn't actively snitch on each other
ascii_field: thestringpuller: as mircea_popescu pointed out, i am abusing the term to refer to meatspace business circles
mats: what exactly precludes a meatwot from existence?
thestringpuller: mats: in my perspective it seems the meatwot is more easily susceptible sybil attacks than one enforced with the principle governing gpg contracts
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 14:01:15; mircea_popescu: which leaves phuctor in dire need of a new home. unless anyone comes forward with something (hey jurov what's the word there ?) i guess ima get another box at another dubious provider
mats: canonical meatwot should involve gpg.
mats: otherwise it'd be meatfacebook
ascii_field: mats: how often do your friends get physically replaced with impostors ?
mats: hasn't happened yet
thestringpuller: ascii_field: because niggas be forgetful and shit. if you're just saying "Well i trust this nigga cause of xyz" it's by word of mouth i.e. memory rather than something digitally recorded
ascii_field: thestringpuller: if you deal with sufficiently many people that your memory cannot fit them perfectly, your wot is not strictly a meatwot.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44050 @ 0.00077718 = 34.2348 BTC [+] {3}
thestringpuller: sure if six niggas is like "Yo i saw this nigga do some hood shit at my buddy moes"
thestringpuller: ascii_field: and it's not just my memory. it's whether memory of even occurred and is easily verifiable
ascii_field: ;;later tell mod6 a more readable graph could omit genesis node.
anton_osika: mircea_popescu: I re read the contract you wrote
anton_osika: I have proof of being the long party as specified
ascii_field: 'The verification relies on the credibility of a group of well reputed people, or a “bank” if you have to call it that: Kraken.com. The statement states what identity made the transaction to your account.' << this is a problem.
anton_osika: asciilifeform: Depends on what the contract is saying.
anton_osika: Such a thing is not a problem in any serious contract that I would write in a business situation.
ascii_field: but i know enough to say that it will be a problem here.
anton_osika: Either you actively distrust Kraken.com and make ~no~payment. Or you fulfill your part of the contract as well as possible.
ascii_field: mod6: this is beautiful and ought to be on the www.
ascii_field: see if you can make the patch names clickable links
anton_osika: mircea_popescu: could lose some lifetime trust on this one however.
☟︎ shinohai: asciilifeform: If you have time later, would appreciate assistance with the key issue you brought to my attention last week.
anton_osika: By the people who understand the situation.
ascii_field: shinohai: didn't somebody walk out with your key ?
mod6: <+ascii_field> see if you can make the patch names clickable links << i'll see what I can do. thx.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26136 @ 0.0007652 = 19.9993 BTC [-]
shinohai: ascii_field: no one walked out with it, just wasn't self-signed? Was using old email.
punkman: shinohai: your master key hadn't signed the subkeys? how does that happen?
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 19:57:21; anton_osika: mircea_popescu: could lose some lifetime trust on this one however.
ascii_field: anton_osika: ever read the story (or watch the film based on it) - 'the cold equations' ?
BingoBoingo: anton_osika: That doesn't seem to solve the problem of inability to sign a delivery address with that public key, even if Kraken attests to it.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: just saw a commercia for ETrade creating a browser only platform for trading. Made me laugh outloud here in the airport cause, well is etrade et. al. going to become the new play exchanges?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25100 @ 0.00076416 = 19.1804 BTC [-]
shinohai: punkman: trust me, being here opened my eyes to how inept I was with gpg
BingoBoingo: anton_osika: And further to the point, I don't think Kraken is in any position to attest to anything seeing how it is the USG appointed tool for distributing MtGox's carcass
BingoBoingo: At least anton_osika In the even you manage to uncorrupt your backup Kraken is no longer in a position to take deliver in your place by signing from the outgoing BTC address.
mats: if you image the device, i'd be happy to attempt recovery for a modest fee if i'm successful
anton_osika: BingoBoingo: Depends on what the contract should constructively be interpreted by. Unless MP stands by his word and take the one and only claimed deposit address (by the freenode authed antonosika as well as the holder of the bitcoin wallet) mircea_popescu will lose credibility by people who agree to my interpretation of what the cause of a future delivery
anton_osika: and this is a piss in the ocean for upholding ones credibility for mircea_popescu .
ascii_field: anton_osika: iirc mircea_popescu explained specifically, earlier, that he would lose credibility among the people who matter if he ~did~ pay.
shinohai: And how exactly is your credibility worth more than mircea_popescu 's?
anton_osika: mircea_popescu wrote the contract for the cause of delivery, right?
anton_osika: I am the long party and have independent verification of this by others with recognised trust.
anton_osika: ascii_field: I do not need any trust at all to damage MP:s trust.
mats: that's not how the wot works
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> who saw the palaces and ludicrous 'stotting' << sure, i'm privy to teh arab wastage.
mircea_popescu: <mats> otherwise it'd be meatfacebook << lol. it's either pgp or meat, baby.
anton_osika: mircea_popescu: I re-read the contract, and the system of trust should prevent egoistic interpretations of contracts.
anton_osika: There is a Kraken PGP key here that a lot of people that hold their trust (even in forms of assets) dearly to it . Those people would forever lose some of the trust for you.
mircea_popescu: o wow check it out, he actually managed the level enforcement. nice stuff mod6 !
mircea_popescu: <anton_osika> By the people who understand the situation. << by the who ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: aha - isn't it beautiful? it looks exactly like the graph in my head when i wrote 'v'
mircea_popescu: dun tell me there's some dudes right over the horizon ganging together to beat me up ?
mod6: mircea_popescu: thanks :]
anton_osika: mircea_popescu: I tried to prevent a situation like this...
shinohai: But the contract wasn't between kraken was it?
mircea_popescu: because the thing shows some very promising AI in arranging the boxes.
mircea_popescu: dude he could be a us secretary or something this guy. incredible how the same verbiage flows from the same circumstances.
assbot: Logged on 02-08-2015 16:00:48; asciilifeform: can give the 'atoms' electrostatic-style charge, so they repel, and the bonds - 'strain', so they contract
mod6: only one part that could be automated i think; just dumped out the graphviz config to file, and then tweeked the `rankdir' to 'BT' for (bottom=>top) by hand. then just gotta run dot to generate the image.
anton_osika: Seriously mircea_popescu. You wrote the contract - it has a cause and you have got the invoice paid.
mircea_popescu: see ascii_field ye olde "bitcoin perverts nsa" thing ? cuts both ways. finding oneself in the sort of situation the usg finds itself ALSO perverts.
mircea_popescu: anton_osika what's "egoistic interpretations of contracts." ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: aha! recall how you once observed that it is astonishing that i, in particular, manage to think about anything at all ?
mircea_popescu: mod6 does it actually attempt to minimize line length ? ascii_field you realise this is a complete problem yes ?
mod6: so this can be automated, but some cleanup required. im just read that you can make clickable links -- gonna give it a shot.
mod6: mircea_popescu: it might. im not exactly sure how graphviz does its magic.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: np-complete does not mean unsolvable ! just means that not solvable efficiently if the data set is at all large
mircea_popescu: ah i thought it was something you brewed. somehow i thought graphviz won't do it.
ascii_field: or rather, not that, either. but in bean counter terms
ascii_field: but in point of fact, this is a very favourable data set for plotting
mircea_popescu: we are contemplating rather large datasets. but yes, so far.
mod6: yeah, i re-wrote v in perl, and it does all the traversing etc, then i build the graph with recursion and the Graph::Easy mod.
mircea_popescu: "time only flows one way because god got fucking sick of debugging bidirectional graphs"
ascii_field: graph::easy has the killer feature of ascii output!
ascii_field: almost considered rewriting in perl myself, just to use it
mod6: that's why i initially liked it too! but alas, if you can't grow TB or BT, then it gets hairy at 80 cols.
mod6: there might be a way to do this still, just might be a bit deeper than i'ev looked so far.
shinohai: Please send 0.05 BTC to 1nu11ampgw1GKrZSgn2q3JS8kZE88n6d5 if you want voice from me anton_osika
mircea_popescu: srsly, try to be interesting anton_osika ppl are getting sick of it.
anton_osika: mircea_popescu: you wrote the contract - the "long party" is the payer of the invoice". Nowhere does it state that the "long party" will need a PGP signature for payment. This is solely interpretation - and you are NOT paying for a future delivery contract. Do you have any rationale for this?
☟︎ anton_osika: You are in the position of having a very big impact on my view on how to act in this world.
mats: party A's rating of B has no value if both A and B are not in my L1
anton_osika: it is not exceptional. it is about interpreting contracts constructively or egoistically.
anton_osika: I kind of take it that you are quite constructive seeing what you create...
mircea_popescu: shinohai how the hell did she get that butt with the antiwalker device!
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: it takes tremendous athleticism to actually ride that thing
shinohai: Lots of beans and corn tortillas is my guess.
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mircea_popescu is starting to think about this seriously. get the girls unicicle rides
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anton_osika: mircea_popescu: Is there anything that would make you pay the invoice?
shinohai: Well anton_osika threats didn't work ...
anton_osika: mircea_popescu: you wrote the contract - the "long party" is the payer of the invoice". Nowhere does it state that the "long party" will need a PGP signature for payment. This is solely interpretation - and you are NOT paying for a future delivery contract. Do you have any rationale for this?
anton_osika: I would be honoured by a letter stating so.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00076166 = 13.4814 BTC [-]
anton_osika: If you have time to add it, also stating when you might be visiting Sweden teaching a physics student things about life he would not learn otherwise.
anton_osika: aka. what one learns talking to these people here..
gribble: Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is not identified.
funkenstein_: Will the real anton_osika please stand up, please stand up, please stand up.
thestringpuller: funkenstein_: that song was about slim shady not being a real person btw.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21672 @ 0.00076143 = 16.5017 BTC [-] {2}
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http://gribble.sourceforge.net/ shinohai: ;;later tell davout btcjam kinda touchy aren't they?
mircea_popescu: "Website Screenshots provider, Snapito, was acquired by ShrinkTheWeb"
mircea_popescu: im sure this is a "transaction" and tax is assessed and some bean counter counts beans under "us industry"
mircea_popescu: wow did disney actually make a "two lesbians" movie with the gypsy chick and a snow-white knockoff in which the male lead is this evil dude with "burn for your witchcraft" ?
funkenstein_: "fuck it, let's all stand up" thanks thestringpuller, I never had grokked it fully
funkenstein_: wait, lesbians? I'm gonna go watch a Disney movie now for the first time in like forever.
thestringpuller: funkenstein_: yea, as mircea_popescu once said. "A lot to be learned on the street"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00075835 = 10.0102 BTC [-] {2}
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ascii_field: mats: consistent with 'controlled chaos' hypothesis.
☟︎ mats: I dunno that the west can control this chaos
mats: overplayed this one
ascii_field: mats: i will agree when there are isis patrols in washington.
ascii_field: and as i stand in the impalement queue, yes, i might agree
ascii_field: but the degree of control usg actually wants or needs is minimal.
ascii_field: does an arsonist need to precisely specify the shape of the flames ?
☟︎ mats: yes, in the sense that arsonist doesn't set fire to all routes of own escape
ascii_field: again, i'm not seeing any beheadings out my window.
mats: isis doesn't need to destroy usg to survive
ascii_field: then in what sense is it a failure of controlled chaos doctrine ?
mats: their wealth, influence, and manpower is transnational, transcontinental, requires no fuel from usg to exist
ascii_field: 'radical islam' is a usg golem created to diddle ru
☟︎ mats: how is this a problem for ru? ru is largely ethnically and culturally homogenous, no?
☟︎ ascii_field: how the fuck did you get the idea that it was ?!
phf: russia is all white men wearing fur hats
mats: I frankly don't see how muslims are a problem for moscow.
mats: ru has no problem dispensing as much lead into muslims as can be extracted from siberia
ascii_field: mats: tell this to the corpses of ru folks who used to live in chechnia
ascii_field: or the people killed in bombings in moscow
ascii_field: plainly, there ~were~ problems dispensing the lead.
ascii_field: the reason for this is that ru could not take the standard euro approach of extermination, because it is not how it works. it absorbs.
trinque: seems quite clear that the encirclement strategy never ended
trinque: instead of NATO to the south, fires
ascii_field: ru natural resources are the west's sole chance of prolonging the party.
mats: yet ru still properly stands, and chechnya bends the knee
ascii_field: mats: the degree to which it bends has been exaggerated for pr
ascii_field: they sometimes die, yes. but regenerate much faster than euro people.
ascii_field: it is signed with one of the new keys promulgated
ascii_field: where is the evidence that the author of this message ever possessed the keys claimed as compromised ?
ascii_field: the signature belongs to 0x4918FA4ED87D436C.
trinque: gotta wait till $tardInt wraps
ascii_field: srsly, is it an impossibility to have a 'cryptome'-like site run by thinking folks ?
ascii_field: iirc mircea_popescu hosted some of the leaked u.s. telegrams at one point
☟︎ ascii_field: i had the thought once that gossipd would make this item quite trivial to implement
BingoBoingo: Perhaps some sort of spinoff related to qntra
ascii_field: look what happens to a box that is even mildly interesting.
ascii_field: now imagine if it were hosting leaked launch codes.
mats: the net's a vast place. so long as leaks are properly hashed, signed, and available in a public place, where it lives can be numerous
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assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 21:28:51; mats: the net's a vast place. so long as leaks are properly hashed, signed, and available in a public place, where it lives can be numerous
ascii_field: the curator is what distinguishes an interesting leak site from a public toilet.
punkman: I guess opening all those pdfs on windows machine paid off
ascii_field: curator not only selects interesting material but rejects obvious forgeries, etc
mats: qntra doesn't have to host the files, merely clearsig with hash
ascii_field: mats: in practice, if something is not immediately available, it is not part of the conversation.
☟︎ mats: mebbe can be accompanied with yandex search query of hash. and 1000 toilets with file.
ascii_field: mats: this only works when a turd is famous
ascii_field: sometimes, not then, either (how many people are publicly hosting the hackteam dump ?)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41300 @ 0.00075996 = 31.3863 BTC [+] {3}
punkman: anton_osika: you are better off focusing on fixing the broken backup
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anton_osika: mircea_popescu: Hola. I have never had the E4BC29F7 key. What is up with that letter.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00075743 = 13.7852 BTC [-] {2}
phf: oh pff, i might've done some ... questionable things in the past
ben_vulpes: > we had a ruby script that would use the rb-appscript gem to interface with Apple Terminal and run all of the dependencies in different terminal tabs.
ben_vulpes: why fork when you can automate the UI?
phf: right right, i missed that part (1am here should probably be sleeping)
mircea_popescu: anton_osika obviously it'd be encrypted to 71A1EC4E1B6C7DD853FD856C86AC5789F93ED2E7. i thought that was you.
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 20:57:17; ascii_field: mats: consistent with 'controlled chaos' hypothesis.
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275353 << you are not proposing "an arsonist". there isn't another place for the us to go. you are proposing the arson school of home improvement. this, i've yet to observe in practice. outside of pashtuns taken into city dwellings forcibly, or, as the case may be, ustards forced into civilisation against their will.
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 20:59:46; ascii_field: does an arsonist need to precisely specify the shape of the flames ?
mircea_popescu: think that hitler didn't manage to give democracy such a pair of black eyes as the us populace did.
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 21:08:37; ascii_field: 'radical islam' is a usg golem created to diddle ru
mircea_popescu: for one thing, radical islam predates russia, which incidentally in this sort of historical context is the kiev duchy not the moscow duchy.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: leaving aside the truly junior partner in any serious discussion
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assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 21:09:14; mats: how is this a problem for ru? ru is largely ethnically and culturally homogenous, no?
mircea_popescu: in about 500 years or so of looking through doorcrack at table.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5936 @ 0.00076416 = 4.5361 BTC [+]
ascii_field: it is in his dead tree, 'grand chessboard.'
mircea_popescu: looky. you familiar with that theory that you can't have a fighter jet as a birthday present ? same principle. hypothesis only exists as part of a triad : phenomenon under examination (or set of constraints ; or again paradigm or w/e) + hypothesis + prediction set.
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 22:11:43; mircea_popescu: for one thing, radical islam predates russia, which incidentally in this sort of historical context is the kiev duchy not the moscow duchy.
mircea_popescu: seems to me to be entirely contiguous with pre-ottoman times even.
ascii_field: hypothesis, correctly formulated, is 'u.s. is following mr b's 'grand chessboard'.'
mircea_popescu is more than happy to give credit where credit is due but this doth not constitute an item.
shinohai: I should make a lulz bot to archive the "best of"
mircea_popescu: let us explain. in physiologically normal adult human females, the thighs touch but for a narrow space around the outer labia. it has a very specific shape that's pretty invariant across the ethnic groups.
mircea_popescu: so no, it's not "in between the thighs". it's in between the cunt and the thighs.
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275370 << o hey, we actually get to that. anyway, it's not so terribly different from how rome was a "nation". various actual nations in various states of digestion, also in various states of dependency, and an originator preserved in name only. the original latins were a tiny spec also.
☝︎ BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> so no, it's not "in between the thighs". it's in between the cunt and the thighs. << I think it started off as a tublr meme, small part optical illusion created by a slight leaning forward of the torso allowing the feet to be parted and looking as though standing up, because... ;tldr
mircea_popescu: mnah. stand the girl up knees touching. you should be able to insert two fingers in the space right under her slit. that's all.
mircea_popescu: (it's also how things like thigh fucking got started, which is how people "fuck" very young girls to this very day.)
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 21:15:04; ascii_field: well, it and cold fusion.
shinohai: The Kardashians are also developers now, so I guess that makes me one too.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> mnah. stand the girl up knees touching. you should be able to insert two fingers in the space right under her slit. that's all. << Of course, but in the selfie era people find ways to photographically exagerate ala the FGAS
ben_vulpes: was that fox or colbert's satire routine?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes isn't that guy's name fox ? hence fox news ?
ben_vulpes: don't put it past fox, ofc, but...that guy's a 'comedian'.
mircea_popescu: but he's the guy with all the idiotic "jokes" built around thinly veiled if deeply stupid agenda ?
shinohai: Joe Biden jokingly offered to be his veep if he runs for prez
mircea_popescu: that then spawned an entire school of "humorists", like you know, the equivalent of the nazi party agitprop folks,
mircea_popescu: who also thought they were pretty fucking cool and hip and whatnot.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> but he's the guy with all the idiotic "jokes" built around thinly veiled if deeply stupid agenda ? << That's the Oliver guy
pete_dushenski: oliver is a branch on the john stewart tree, same as colbert
mircea_popescu: how about we just call the generic type fox and then i can think fox news was named for him and we move on ?
trinque: that colbert guy gave biden a lavish dick polishing on CBS recently
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 21:20:27; ascii_field: can has a cryptome NOT run by tards ?
mircea_popescu: in either case one should prolly regard the site as an entirely new thjing.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: "is remoted access to networks protected?"
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 15:03:06; shinohai: "My gf said she was bad and needed to be punished, so I installed Windows 10 on her laptop."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12708 @ 0.00076725 = 9.7502 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 21:21:53; ascii_field: iirc mircea_popescu hosted some of the leaked u.s. telegrams at one point
trinque: deedbot- barfeth what deedbot- muncheth
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.00076569 = 19.0657 BTC [-]
mats: bet still reads 'ETC' in description
mats: >Irrespective of traded price, this bet resolves as Yes if the total traded ETC/BTC volume ...
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 21:39:07; ascii_field: mats: in practice, if something is not immediately available, it is not part of the conversation.
mircea_popescu: the only immoral thing in this world is a derp that has things.
mircea_popescu: o hey, apparently ethereum had a "people can remotely take your eth from your wallet" bug sometime in late august ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00076735 = 9.8988 BTC [+]
shinohai: Yes I remember that, they were upset that I mocked them for it and said it was really a feature or something.
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punkman: I saw a dog steal an unopened bag of cheetos while I was buying some tobacco from a kiosk couple days ago. guy inside shrugs "what am I gonna do, chase the fucking mutt". I wonder if some bum trained the dog, it was wearing a length of string as a collar.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: Nah punkman, If I were a bum training dogs I'd train him to steal the tobacco
punkman: tobacco is kept inside though
punkman: dog was pretty sneaky in his approach too
BingoBoingo: What can be done with cheetos? They aren't food. Can't imagine they would ferment to something drinkable.
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mircea_popescu: remember how you never heard of X idiot until one day he's apparently a big deal and putting some real pro effort into it ?
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mircea_popescu: and you can convince me it's a natural process by showing me naturally occuring steel lattice girders and meteors in the shape of chicken wire.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: lol, This is not biology. Si Fab is closer to biology than this.
ben_vulpes is reading the 2013 pynchon—pretty lulzy lambasting of the dotcom shitshow + the idiocy of nyc immediately before the jetfuelcantmeltsteelbeams incident
ben_vulpes: Among the mystery vendors discovered by the resourceful Eric Outfield down in the encrypted files of hashslingrz is a fiber brokerage called Darklinear Solutions.
ben_vulpes: Who in their right mind, you wonder, would go into fiber these days, given the huge decline in new installation since last year? Well, back during the tech bubble, it seems so much cabling was put in that now miles of existing fiber are just sitting there what they call “dark,” and the result is that outfits like Darklinear have come swooping down on the carcass of the business, scouting out overinstalled, unused fiber in otherwise
ben_vulpes: “lit” buildings, mapping it, helping clients put together customized private networks.
ben_vulpes: What’s puzzling Maxine is why hashslingrz’s payments to Darklinear are being kept hidden when they don’t have to be. Fiber’s a legitimate company expense, bandwidth needs at hashslingrz more than justify it, even the IRS seems to be happy. And yet, just as with hwgaahwgh.com, the dollar amounts are way too big, and somebody’s putting up password protection out of all proportion.
ben_vulpes: ("Hey, We've Got Awesome And Hip Web Graphix, Here")
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> and you can convince me it's a natural process by showing me naturally occuring steel lattice girders and meteors in the shape of chicken wire. << And now that we are making fun of Lopp'd off his penis qntra is being DDoS
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mod6: i think there is also some sort of mechanical way I can walk through my validated seals hash and perhaps somehow label the node who whom has signed.
mod6: i dunno, gotta think on it a bit on how that would look -- might just be a mouse-over or "alt" type of attribute.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.00076735 = 19.3372 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: client security wants to know if we do risk analysis on "emerging mobile code"
ben_vulpes: myeah because coffeescript on node.js with mongodb and a half-baked orm wasn't considered a risk
trinque: what in the fuck is emerging mobile code
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 23:33:35; mircea_popescu: remember how you never heard of X idiot until one day he's apparently a big deal and putting some real pro effort into it ?
BingoBoingo: <trinque> what in the fuck is emerging mobile code << Gentoo mobile
trinque babbles incoherently about trigger warning
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> he was trotted out during a commentary broadcast re: the 2004 election << 2004 during that Senate primary East Saint was covered in signs for the "heritage" anglo candiate for that seat. Literally every boarded up window had a sign. Obama still won.
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 22:58:21; mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275427 << this is a good chunk of what i meant above about "the general public". fuck them, srsly, i should spend as much as a byte's bandwidth to provide derps things so what, derplife doesn't suck so bad ?
BingoBoingo: BLAIR HULL, that's the cracker who had the signs
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> givin' out bytez for PHREE!!!! << But they offer PHREE humiliation to the public