moiety: kakobrekla: i've not seen dead man, i'm going to get it ty
kakobrekla: if you find the start of the movie grim, try to hold on, it will get better.
moiety: kk, not like me to not see a film through tbf
moiety: 92 y/o... i hope it was peaceful
artifexd: So... gmaxwell is harassing the conformal guys about how they developed btcd. It comes across as so... I don't know... petty.
artifexd: mircea_popescu: I'm starting to understand why you like these guys. Here's a quote that I find particularly compelling:
artifexd: @jy-p> it's a nice little bullshit trick that is used by people who don't get their work done
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moiety: lol i just feel there are other things they could be turning attention to
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8807 @ 0.00096456 = 8.4949 BTC [+]
ozbot: Civilization: Beyond Earth (Announcement) - YouTube
mircea_popescu: not sayin' it's bad or anything, that shit's trippy, but i think i'm missing most of it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24829 @ 0.00095198 = 23.6367 BTC [-] {3}
kakobrekla: i dunno, it has a lot of qualities i like. its indeed trippy and and well its fuckin hilarious, after about 30min in or so
mircea_popescu: artifexd course, you could say that to him rather than to me. he doesn't know it, i do.
mircea_popescu: fuckwit is actually to this day going around all convinced he's anything but slime somebody scraped off his work boot and failed to properly dispose of.
moiety: I've just started Dead Man
moiety: depps lesser known films turn out to be his best
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, you're not the only one plagued. conformal guys got their own robwizz turns out.
mircea_popescu: ima gotta have to stop mentioning people or something.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2463 @ 0.00095065 = 2.3415 BTC [-]
assbot: Voicing Azelphur for 30 minutes.
Azelphur: oh, I wasn't aware of the new channel settings
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05018656 = 0.1004 BTC [-]
Azelphur: anyway, another fun question for you, do you believe the "mtgox got hacked" crap? :P
moiety: i like the new system, have to say
Azelphur: back when I was designing your exchange I actually had a conversation with tux about security
Azelphur: so I could learn what mtgox did wrong, what they do now, that sort of thing
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: sorry, designing the frontend for*
moiety: just personal taste after the other day mircea_popescu
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: nah, remember you wanted me to open a brokerage, and I did a lot of code, but didn't release it because of the whole going to jail thing.
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: I would have if I started running a brokerage being in England ;)
mircea_popescu: dude what the fuck, i just had a coupla shots of brandy
mircea_popescu: no but i mean i sit down and nothing makes sense anymore
Azelphur: admittedly I coulda explained that better ;)
mircea_popescu: dun take this the wrong way, but i dun recall that episode. so you were going to do something like coinbr ?
Azelphur: but yea, was just curious, it's such a weird situation, and this getting hacked thing makes no sense
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: yea, I'm pretty sure I showed you the prototypes at some point
Azelphur: and I had it interfacing with GLBSE and MPEX back in the day
Azelphur: would have done it if I didn't like my freedom so much :p
[\]: people still ues eve?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 61 @ 0.00570001 = 0.3477 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: [\\\] apparently. they were doing some shit about "come have your name on a plaque on this statue we're building"
[\]: yeah, I follow bradfitz
[\]: "why use someone else's work when we can make our own?"
[\]: no wonder they dumped it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i imagine the way a large talent stable works is invariant. gotta let people do the stupid shit they wanna do to some degree
mircea_popescu: google's not about to hire chicks with whips for the devteam. cheaper to reimplement d.
mircea_popescu: inasmuch as people are involved, there's no such thing as waste.
gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is not identified.
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ozbot: NOW IT'S PERSONAL: SF Protesters Targeting Tech Execs By Name - Business Insider
mircea_popescu: and none of the named is going around calling the employers of these fuckwits with the simple message of "fire everyone or go out of business".
mircea_popescu: no but it's like... yo shithead. you make enough to buy me a tie a year and are here protesting ? you're fucked, better hope you enjoy living in a sewer.
mike_c: BI is (as usual) blowing shit out of proportion for headlines. 6 people were pissed they got evicted and made a sign. who cares.
mircea_popescu: i guess it's better for the environment than the usual crap they do (and call "art")
moiety: "...standing outside their house accusing them (falsely) of advocating sexual assault,..." wtf?!
mike_c: I just hate BI. such trash. can't decide if they're worse than gawker, but it's a close race to the bottom of the toilet bowl.
moiety: not all have windows now
mircea_popescu: go around through the dormitoirs where poor irish girls were required to sleep, compare to the contemporary black slaves' situation,
mircea_popescu: be very amused that anyone seriously thinks anyone'd believe they fought a war over that difference.
mircea_popescu: notrly. it's more of a product of the empty spaces of the colonies, and the peculiar cvasi-catholic sects they followed.
mircea_popescu: well, they didn't exist in brabant as such, nor in northern italy, nor in england
mircea_popescu: they did to some degree exist in scotland, which WAS a colony of england
ozbot: Silicon Valley Arrogance Bubble - Business Insider
mike_c: if i had one bullet, and I was in a room with gawker, BI, and bitcointalk..
moiety: i would have to go with btctalk mike_c
mircea_popescu: mike_c let's take the violence out of it. if you had one cock...
mike_c: harder to turn that upon myself.
mircea_popescu: moiety no, that's for making a woman. different sport.
moiety: i thought thats what Prince did
moiety: re ribs not making women
ozbot: Digitally Reconfigurable Mold - bengineering
ozbot: Heartbleed certificate revocation tsunami yet to arrive | Netcraft
moiety: apprently " there is no evidence of a successful rib-removal surgery in all of the Western world. "
assbot: Voicing Mats_cd03 for 30 minutes.
moiety: np, if you id with gribble you can up yourself in pm with assbot
Mats_cd03: mp: funny enough, ill be living in lowell in a few months with a friend
ozbot: Ellis Act Evictions - Anti-Eviction Mapping Project
Mats_cd03: i hear cambodian gangs roam the streets - ive never interacted with asian gangsters so this will be fun
mircea_popescu: the incentive to do it is actually negative. if you run a site as a us business, and they can directly steal your data this way, they will.
mircea_popescu: it's more expensive, so you actually don't want to run a clean system.
mircea_popescu: which is why nobody outside the us wants to use any us company fopr any purpose
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 just a buncha derpy kids. at least a decade ago
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22900 @ 0.00096282 = 22.0486 BTC [+]
ozbot: Protest Flyer At Kevin Rose's House - Business Insider
Mats_cd03: mircea_popescu: word is, theyre participating in the distribution of heroin. not kids anymore
ozbot: 6.120 billion | Next Diff in 837 blocks | Estimated Change: 7.1330% in 5d 9h 26m 5s
moiety: kakobrekla: have you seen Seraphim Falls? I think you might like it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00095824 = 16.865 BTC [-]
ozbot: Seraphim Falls (2006) - IMDb
Mats_cd03: on the subject of movies, has anyone seen sunshine?
moiety: well worth a watch, promise. i feel they are a bit similar withthe trekking and hallucinatory bits
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59799979 = 1.196 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59799989 BTC [+]
ozbot: Twitter / HistoricalPics: "Why is [country] so..." Swedish ...
bitcoinpete: kakobrekla: also, pleasantly surprised to see myself on the aristocratic side of you/assetsvoice
bitcoinpete: i've definitely been cracking a few eggs around the bitcoin expo in toronto.
bitcoinpete: there's much teaching/unteaching to do here
bitcoinpete: much bowing to the foundation/ethereum/vc moolah/blahblah
kakobrekla: i dunno if there is success to be had there
bitcoinpete: and reputation to be established when all their thingies break and they remember that this was foretold
assbot: Voicing TestingUnoDosTre for 30 minutes.
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kakobrekla: with all the account locking, i wouldnt be so surprised
mircea_popescu: khersonus wanted to do options just as the spot market is disintegrating.
cgcardona_: This is the first time I've needed to verify my identity w/ a chatroom in that way. seems like a pretty powerful idea.
cgcardona_: so what exactly is the assbot -> gribble relationship? I auth/verify w/ gribble but the assbot is the room's bot? Any reason for having two bots for that?
moiety has misplaced frustration at this film
cgcardona_: gotta geotag all your frustration. That way you'll never misplace it.
artifexd: assbot queries gribble for your ident status and gettrust relation to assbot.
mircea_popescu: the gribble-assbot relation is somewhat akin to the google-dns relation. one predates the other, and rather than it be reimplemented gratuitously, it's just used isntead.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00095349 = 12.4907 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 31 @ 0.06599982 = 2.046 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00095813 = 7.5692 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03401 = 0.1701 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31750 @ 0.0009592 = 30.4546 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0669 = 0.1338 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9027 @ 0.00096181 = 8.6823 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7883 @ 0.00096288 = 7.5904 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58805 @ 0.00096342 = 56.6539 BTC [+] {3}
jurov: imsogay, morning wood, eh?
jurov: context for poor logreaders: *** [\\\\\\\\\\\\\\] is now known as [\\\]
moiety: something up with nickserv atm?
jurov: no just imsaguy swelling and shrinking
jurov: there are helluva splits... i was here alone for half hour
[\]: jurov, it is saturday night after all ;)
[\]: jurov, we lost some hubs.
jurov: i have sunday morning
jurov: and not slept at all
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20800 @ 0.00096415 = 20.0543 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00096254 = 5.1015 BTC [-]
cgcardona_: I just shut down my client for the whole time cause I was all alone
moiety: jurov: what time is it with you? ive not slept wither, 7:09 here
moiety: dont wantto miss something at 7:35 // ahh kk why didn't you sleep?
jurov: i was nervous and could not calm down
jurov: most likely explanation is that i'm in love and wanted to be with him yest
jurov: but he had no time for completely stupid reasons
jurov: bribe someone that's in assbot's trust list?
cgcardona_: I'm still trying to fully understand the wot
jurov: it's really not so hard, just become slave to a piece of shitty code that has something to do with mpex
jurov: and then you can enjoy the privileges
jurov: wow i'm still really in bad mood.. better go retry sleep now
moiety: hope you feel better after a sleep jurov
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00096254 = 9.2404 BTC [-]
gribble: Nick 'fluffypony', with hostmask 'fluffypony!~fluffypon@geartri.be', is not identified.
moiety: nickserv is having a stroke today
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00570001 = 0.114 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00095065 / 0.00096401 / 0.00097614 (483530 shares, 466.13 BTC), 7D: 0.00095065 / 0.00097926 / 0.00101 (3222682 shares, 3,155.86 BTC), 30D: 0.00079506 / 0.00091781 / 0.00101 (23383307 shares, 21,461.45 BTC)
assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00096254 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31750 @ 0.00095984 = 30.4749 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.0009559 = 5.4008 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0347946 = 0.1044 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29597 @ 0.00096304 = 28.5031 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.00096415 = 15.9085 BTC [+]
bounce: ``[Erik Naggum] disliked C++, though not as much as he hated Perl, but he generally thought that C++ was too difficult to understand to such a degree that only about 5 people on the planet truly understood it and hence was of little value for humanity.'' (wikipedia) -- how's that for an elitist language, eh. jealous much? *gdr*
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17150 @ 0.00096456 = 16.5422 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12150 @ 0.00096123 = 11.6789 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7850 @ 0.00095332 = 7.4836 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23203 @ 0.00095249 = 22.1006 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: jurov: but he had no time for completely stupid reasons << aww!
mircea_popescu: also, fresh from the pointless factoids department: every day this week days is gonna be the same backwards. 4/12/14 through 4/19/14.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00095492 = 16.7111 BTC [+]
bounce: what silly backward country are you in, anyway?
mircea_popescu: i'll have you known that the biggest endian fail is MIDDLE ENDIAN
bounce: hence ISO8601. and yet...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 37 @ 0.06568952 = 2.4305 BTC [-] {5}
bounce: just read through defusedxml's list of things that can go wrong with xml. just have to wonder how those financial types using FIX handle this, if at all.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 63 @ 0.0055853 = 0.3519 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57600103 BTC [-]
jurov: hm, seems like mircea_popescu recently got a propensity to solutions that break under bad external circumstances
jurov: it took assbot 5 minutes to give me voice
jurov: because gribble is slow
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19200 @ 0.0009602 = 18.4358 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: it has a feel of rogirous math publication, yet it's brimming with unsolved problems
jurov: such as, turing-complete computations are bounded and paid for by "gas" allocated
bounce: but! aristocracy! can't make things too easy, don't you know.
jurov: yet i don't see a good nethod to verify gas expended without redoing whoiole computation
mircea_popescu: jurov you shouldn't have voice anyway because not enough sleep!
jurov: yea, and it strives to avoid evil ASICs but as presumably they can't think of one, it will start with a placeholder one
jurov: i did sleep some, it helped :)
jurov: *one = proof of work function
mircea_popescu: now that's a fucking accomplishment, excess flood while muted. guy prolly went all spaz
assbot: Voicing MCM-Mike for 30 minutes.
jurov: mircea u got cockblocked too or what?
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: Cockblocked
jurov: or what inspired you for that blog
mircea_popescu: i wish to see it sometime. but anyway, no, just the notion of attaching penalty to speech makes me want to attach speech to the entire matter.
fluffypony: normally when her friend/sister knows you and your reputation
fluffypony: so she hangs around whining about how much the place sucks and she wants to go home
fluffypony: and every joke you make she keeps a deadpan face and says "that isn't funny"
mircea_popescu: fluffypony this always happens. girl decides to fly over to be my slave, family hosts an intervention, we laugh at it afterwards.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: hah, interventions are for quitters
mircea_popescu: "do what a buncha dorks getting in your face tell you to"
moiety: dafuq is going in that picture?
moiety: actually i dont want to know
moiety: - 'Discipline has been good for me' -
moiety: i think they should host btctalk over in china for a bit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 18 @ 0.0075 = 0.135 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.06456009 = 1.1621 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: Voicing cedivad for 30 minutes.
fluffypony: "Why this matters. Bitcoin is powerful. Bitcoin is wealthy. We do not need to make these people our enemies."
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell cedivad to be voiced in #bitcoin-assets, first you id with gribble, then you pm assbot !up
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
assbot: Voicing CheckDavid for 30 minutes.
assbot: Voice for cedivad extended to 30 minutes.
cedivad: my lazy client is simply reconnecting automatically every time that i power it on/off... Not sure of why i should be "voiced"?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2488 @ 0.00095429 = 2.3743 BTC [-]
cedivad: well, i've nothing smart to say, i'm sorry. I've just finished to write a complaint i will send to the public inquiry unit of california, nothing interesting (hashfast sucks)
cedivad: btw i fixed the stupid bug that made bitcointa.lk lose posts every night starting from 3am
mircea_popescu: lol well you never know, maybe something smart strikes :D
cedivad: nah, i simply never received them, you know, arbitration against them, they will probably take everything they can out of the company and declare bankrupcty
mircea_popescu: o wow srsly ? i thought they were actually delivering.
cedivad: they haven't delivered shit during the last month or two; they are mining themselves probably
cedivad: and ship it as a MPP in a few months
mircea_popescu: ah so they shipped some units earlier in the year to lure more orders then just stopped basically ?!
cedivad: they are using third parties to claim to be bankrupted (using it as an excuse for the delay in shipping)
cedivad: and in the meanwhile they are selling their chips to third parties (like vmc)
mircea_popescu: basically the list of mining companies that don't also turn scams is vanishingly slow.
cedivad: nothing is scandalous anymore in the mining industry... what i would love is to see them stopped and in jail
ozbot: List of Lies - HashFast Wiki
cedivad: and what should i talk about? hashfast? :D
mircea_popescu: inconfutable isn't english. irrefutable or incontrovertible.
mircea_popescu: cedivad the reason i say blog is because you seem to have a lot to talk about. bitcointalk, hashfast, etc.
cedivad: basically by forcing them to disclose the delivery dates in the contract with TSMC you could have a smoking gun to use against them in a fraud proceeding
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4712 @ 0.00095429 = 4.4966 BTC [-]
assbot: Voicing cedivad for 30 minutes.
jurov: i don't write very often on the blog. but it's good to have.
cedivad: i actually have one, but i never really wrote about hashfast, bitcointa.lk or any other of my web-related experiences (i manage some really huge websites)...
jurov: gonna start sometime
jurov: if for nothing else, there need to be more sane voices
Apocalyptic: heh blockr.io completely bugged because of btc-e down
Apocalyptic: kakobrekla, tell your guys they can add timeouts on queries on external websites you know
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55172 @ 0.00096143 = 53.044 BTC [+] {4}
benkay: asciilifeform, mircea_popescu: google did the same thing with python. spot/coopt an emerging thingy of whatever quality, hire its writers and most active folks, all of a sudden you have access to the best talent in newlang world. speshully the young and easily bamboozled, who get to 'work' 'closely' with the designers of their language.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user HeySteve has been recorded.
thestringpuller: maybe you can help. eventually i was hoping to have a script that pulled an insult from the list...
benkay: thestringpuller: got plenty of sleep, tyvm.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00096344 = 15.8004 BTC [+]
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 413.0, Best ask: 413.71, Bid-ask spread: 0.71000, Last trade: 413.71, 24 hour volume: 5564.69687928, 24 hour low: 411.17, 24 hour high: 429.0, 24 hour vwap: 420.893588881
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.594 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.57850062 = 1.157 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57600136 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5880001 BTC [+]
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.585 = 1.17 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5809999 BTC [-]
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.585 = 1.17 BTC [-] {2}
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5809999 BTC [-]
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ozbot: Charge Your Phone in 30 Seconds? An Israeli Firm Says It Can - Digits - WSJ
ozbot: Log In - The New York Times
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.585 = 1.17 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: they're all like We now have rules that gov should report discovered flaws, but yknow, we wont report shit if we like it that way
ozbot: Andreessen: Beware Non-Silicon Valley Investors Bearing High Valuations - Venture Capital Dispatch
benkay: wish i had problems like that
gribble: Nick 'dignork', with hostmask 'dignork!~dignork@gateway/tor-sasl/dignork', is not identified.
fluffypony: [17:12:29] -NickServ- dignork has enabled nick protection
assbot: Insufficient rights, pankkake.
assbot: Voicing dignork for 30 minutes.
dignork: ThickAsThieves, sorry, the message was intended to kakobrekla, about the 30 sec message
kakobrekla: yea well of course you cant charge the battery so fast out of thin air
kakobrekla: anyway these battery 'revolutions' come once a week, for the past, i dunno, 10 years
kakobrekla: <assbot> Insufficient rights, pankkake. < cause of the split :\
pankkake: yeah, I figured, I'm auth again
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.581 BTC [-]
dignork: asciilifeform, originally they where talking about new type of battery which can be charged fast, not too amazing since there are supercapacitor batteries already.
ThickAsThieves: i was so stoked cuz i bought it with money from winning a juried art show
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.57550072 = 2.302 BTC [-] {4}
gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
dignork: asciilifeform, so the current listed is for discharge?
dignork: asciilifeform, this datasheet is horrible, looks like they list different devices, and for 10F device there is only one max resistance - 80 at 3A
dignork: asciilifeform, talking about sparcfun datasheet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8650 @ 0.00096522 = 8.3492 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.04900001 = 0.196 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.035 = 0.21 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 22 @ 0.08299776 = 1.826 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: robots use mankind as computing elements come on
dignork: kakobrekla, they use humans to solve capcha
kakobrekla: i dont think its optimal to keep the whole brain and whole human alive to compute some stuff
fluffypony: asciilifeform: yeah I remember something like that too, the battery thing was done to make it more accessible
kakobrekla: the machines surely would have figured that out
fluffypony: I don't play games often, but damn the Civilization: Beyond Earth trailer makes me want to play again
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 7 @ 0.01500001 = 0.105 BTC [+] {2}
cgcardona_: damn cryptsy is slow- withdrew 7 different coins about 24 hrs ago and the transactions are still *pending*
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5815 = 1.163 BTC [+] {2}
cgcardona_: what is the general take in here on altcoins? cool to discuss or not here?
cgcardona_: i've been pretty excited about master coin and colored coins
cgcardona_: and of course I've been dabbling in alt just cause I like the idea of cryptos in general
benkay: cgcardona_: are they actually in the memory pool or has cryptsy not broadcast them yet?
cgcardona_: it looks like cryptsy hasn't broadcast them yet. cause I created new addresses for each withdraw/coin and I'm not seeing those addresses show up on any blockchains yet
kakobrekla: asciilifeform i guess we wait until humans manage to grow functional brains on a petri dish, then the argument will be settled.
cgcardona_: i've read online that 24 hrs has happened to other people. so I'm gonna wait until later today before I contact support.
benkay: cgcardona_: altcoins are always worth talking about, although some more than others.
cgcardona_: i'm wondering how the alt coin scene will change w/ the arrival of mastercoin and/or colored coins and/or sidechains. If I understand correctly these will layer abstractions upon bitcoin which will use a satoshi as a level of abstraction to represent anything (stock option, gold bar, keys to a car, deed to a house, etc). If that's the case then all that value should be driven back into the bitcoin blockchain right?
cgcardona_: which would seemingly push the value of an individual btc highter.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 3.40455168 BTC to 8`286 shares, 41088 satoshi per share
ThickAsThieves: more likely, they will do nothing but liberate bitcoins from those who dont deserve them
cgcardona_: ThickAsThieves: can you explain what you mean by that? How will they accomplish that?
ThickAsThieves: depends on the specific case, but, for example, some of these things require you to "burn" coins, or somewhat permanently assign them
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 30 @ 0.00587346 = 0.1762 BTC [-] {5}
ThickAsThieves: the push for them comes from a desire to remove centralized exchanges for stocks or property
ThickAsThieves: but it doesnt remove the risk that the issuer is going to liberate your value
benkay: basically paper only has value if there's someone with a gun backing that statement of value.
benkay: bitcoin isn't strong enough to enforce alloidal title.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.04840019 = 0.484 BTC [-] {6}
benkay: take danielpbarron for instance
cgcardona_: ThickAsThieves: interesting points. I'll consider them.
assbot: Insufficient rights, ThickAsThieves.
benkay: dude is selling an in-game-currency 'meat' on one of the distributed exchanges
assbot: Voicing danielpbarron for 30 minutes.
benkay: nobody is enforcing he honor his contract for meats.
assbot: Voicing TestingUnoDosTre for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2000 @ 0.00013924 = 0.2785 BTC [-] {12}
TestingUnoDosTre: anyone know where the instructions are for this gpg key verification ? can't find in the log
benkay: ("Disclaimer: Blockscan is not responsible for the accuracy of the content listed here.")
benkay: what do you mean by gpg verification, TestingUnoDosTre ?
benkay: decrypting gribble's one-time-pad?
TestingUnoDosTre: no, i mean joining the wot or whatever so I don't have to get voiced up ery 30 minutes
ThickAsThieves: you need to register with WoT and register that same nick with freenode nameserv
benkay: ;;google bitcoin-otc guide wot
ozbot: Beginners Guide - bitcoin-otc wiki
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21078 @ 0.00096436 = 20.3268 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: ;;eregister <wot name> <pgp long id>
gribble: Error: 'name>' is not a valid GPG key id. Please use the long form 16 digit key id.
benkay: ;;everify <decrypted blob returned from previous command>
gribble: Error: "bg" is not a valid command.
gribble: Nick 'TestingUnoDosTre', with hostmask 'TestingUnoDosTre!472849d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.40.73.210', is not identified.
benkay: although i guess xcp is a limited time burn thing?
benkay: which is scamcoin red flag of the highest order.
cgcardona_: I just recently registered for this room. I had to register my nick w/ nickserv. Then w/ gribble i `register cgcardona_ <gpg ID>`. gribble replies w/ a challenge string which I then signed w/ my gpg key and put on to pastebin. Then to gribble I said `verify <pastebin url>` and my registration was good. Now to assbot I ca n`!up` and it works. Each time to register w/ gribble I `auth cgcardona_ ` to which it replies w/ anoth
cgcardona_: challenge string that I again sign and put on pastebin.
cgcardona_: not sure if that helps of if that's all extremely obvious for everyone in here.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 47 @ 0.59716603 = 28.0668 BTC [+] {11}
benkay: if you do ;;eauth cgcardona_ , you can decrypt the otp you get in return and then ;;everify that string
benkay: a little script that curl otp-url.php | gpg -d | pbcopy on os x is how i do things
benkay: so that i can just ;;everify (cmd p)
fluffypony: benkay: "The protocol was coded to create XCP on any address that sent less than or equal to 1 BTC to 1CounterpartyXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXUWLpVr between blocks 278310 and 283810 This was written right into the open-source code. So no individual had to be trusted to accept money then distribute a genesis block like with Next, Mastercoin, Emunie, Ethereum, Levelcoin (ipo scam), Visacoin (ipo scam)"
benkay: fluffypony: these initial burns are just as much a crime as premining.
fluffypony: benkay: I actually don't understand the point of this at all
cgcardona_: very interesting. I'd not heard that argument before.
benkay: (^^ wtf am i supposed to do? examine every thing individually??)
cgcardona_: so you're saying it's like premining in the sense that the people creating the coins which need to be burned in to are starting the game with a bunch of the new coins for themselves?
fluffypony: benkay: presumably the active ones will punt their asset?
benkay: the whole thing is a punt
benkay: look, an exchange is by definition a place people gather to exchange a thing
benkay: if i have to go to bitcointalk.org to read about your 'asset', you've failed.
fluffypony: I also don't see what's wrong (fundamentally) with an exchange being a central point of issuance/authority/failure, as long as it's not built and run like mtgox or litecoininvest or whatever
benkay: it is a time honored practice, this centralizing of important things.
cgcardona_: ok then can I spin it as all of the burn in coins will just remove btc from the blockchain thus driving value to the blockchain a la' "Lost coins only make everyone else's coins worth slightly more. Think of it as a donation to everyone."
benkay: but you just burnt bitcoins.
cgcardona_: right - and satoshi's quote says "Lost coins only make everyone else's coins worth slightly more. Think of it as a donation to everyone."
cgcardona_: my last question was partially in jest
benkay: donations to everyone are not needed.
benkay: when the world economy is denominated in btc, these pennies will not materially affect how much or less i can buy with my btc.
benkay: economy size being fixed, and my share of the pool being fixed (income aside)
cgcardona_: but who is to say it will only be pennies? What if someone were to burn 75% of all btc into other coins. that would surely affect the price of the remaining btc by more than pennies.
benkay: besides, it's a garbage example. anyone controlling significant numbers of btc won't be burning significant numbers of them. maybe the odd equivalent of a buttcoin to see some derps flail with their piggyback chains, but not a significant number.
cgcardona_: i personally agree with you. but I don't think I can speak for "anyone controlling significant numbers of btc"
cgcardona_: and we dont know what jesus coins may arrive in the future. people may be incentivized to burn coins en mass
cgcardona_: but actually I agree w/ you overall. just arguing the point for the sake of clarity
benkay: and the earth may orbit backwards tomorrow.
fluffypony: given a sufficiently powerful vanity address generator
fluffypony: you could convince people it's a burner
cgcardona_: so let me see if I understand. I tell people I'm creating cgcardona_coin and that they need to burn coins into 1cgcardonafuckingrulesAdfusd address which is actually my personal address?
fluffypony: that sentence was all wrong, but you get my drift
benkay: btw TestingUnoDosTre that OTP url is unique for the duration of your use of that key. so feel free to hard code it into any scripts you write.
fluffypony: cgcardona_: yes, that burner address was 1CounterpartyXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXUWLpVr
fluffypony: to generate that with vanitygen or oclvanitygen would take more time than there is on the sun
benkay: i've heard of mixed metaphors, but you blended that one
benkay: burning. considered stupid.
fluffypony: stumbling across a randomly generated BTC privkey that is for an address with funds is equally possible and probably more likely
cgcardona_: i had been buying into the mastercoin and colored coins hype
benkay: distributed autonomous corporations
benkay: getting a bit echo-y in here...
benkay: an individual suggesting a business could be run on algorithms is demonstrating why that person is unsuited to make claims about businesses.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75300 @ 0.00096562 = 72.7112 BTC [+] {5}
benkay: even your gambling operation will need human intervention from time to time.
benkay: unless you hook the cold wallet up to the robot too, which, anathema.
fluffypony: that's why the whole Internet marketing / Warrior Forum thing is such a clever scam
fluffypony: because they keep advertising things as "hands off"
ThickAsThieves: one day i want to grow up and be a DAC cab company owner
fluffypony: like you're just going to start this auto-blogging thing and it'll go and you won't need to touch it and the funds will just flow in
benkay: "you don't even need to know anything!"
fluffypony: passive income is not a thing unless you happen to write a massive single that will be played for the next 100 years, or write a timeless book that will be sold for the next 100 years
cgcardona_: fluffypony: more accurately if you *produce* a massive single. writers/performers get screwed as well
benkay: or 500B, live off the deflationary behavior
benkay: wow hey i just realized a thing
benkay: code tutorials with product placement
benkay: var MountainDew = "yourbutt"
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: I do peripherally - I have a Songza premium sub ($0.99 a week) and a Rdio Unlimited subscription ($10/month)
benkay: impossible to find anything on those damn services
cgcardona_: I pay for music at live shows quite often. That's where the real hustle is
fluffypony: Rdio is actually really awesome - you can "sync" stuff to mobile, which basically just downloads the songs and stores them in the app
fluffypony: so kinda like buying it and having a local copy except not
benkay: kinda almost like copying the file and putting it on a device
cgcardona_: except they can take it whenever they want!
benkay: except shittier and stupid.
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: yeah but none of them have been available in South Africa till Rdio came along
assbot: Insufficient rights, kakobrekla.
assbot: Voicing TestingUnoDosTre for 30 minutes.
cgcardona_: omg 'proof-of-burn' is actually a thing
cgcardona_: i thought that was just the greatest stoner joke ever
benkay: proof of burn is a great way to get people to buy into your thing
benkay: do it, now you have this tiny network of people who need to see the value of their coins increase. they will jump through all sorts of rationalizations as to why their burn was a good idea.
benkay: plus, you now have an entirely constricted supply.
benkay: consider a bitcoin thing; an alt chain, a piggyback thing, whatever it is.
cgcardona_: "they will jump through all sorts of rationalizations as to why their burn was a good idea." - couldn't you say the same thing about most people who have a vested interest in something succeeding?
benkay: if it throws away big important parts of bitcoin (like say distributing supply semi-randomly according to capital power, the txn processing network), it's probably fucking stupid.
benkay: cgcardona_: bitcoin especially
TestingUnoDosTre: ;;;verify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:d9e4395d378eb882437ec77d6fb080db6aedf418eb220b117fbfc9c1
gribble: Error: ";verify" is not a valid command.
TestingUnoDosTre: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:d9e4395d378eb882437ec77d6fb080db6aedf418eb220b117fbfc9c1
gribble: Registration successful. You are now authenticated for user TestingUnoDosTre with key DFBEC17DF96DFB77
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12074 @ 0.00096568 = 11.6596 BTC [+]
fluffypony: specifically you need to be in assbot's primary trust
cgcardona_: TestingUnoDosTre: so does that mean you don't have to reauth everytime you come into the room?
benkay: ;;gettrust TestingUnoDosTre
benkay: ;;gettrust TestingUnoDosTre assbot
benkay: ;;rate TestingUnoDosTre 1 an entity.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user TestingUnoDosTre has been recorded.
benkay: let the rating dilutions begin.
benkay: TestingUnoDosTre: you can now !up yourself via pm with assbot
benkay: ;;gettrust assbot TestingUnoDosTre
benkay: no, it works the other way around.
cgcardona_: so I'm able to up myself but I have no trust w/ assbot. how is that working?
benkay: ;;rate TestingUnoDosTre 1 still using a web client
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user TestingUnoDosTre has changed from 1 to 1.
benkay: ;;gettrust cgcardona_ assbot
assbot: Insufficient rights, benkay.
assbot: Insufficient rights, benkay.
assbot: Insufficient rights, TestingUnoDosTre.
benkay: you !up yourself in pm with assbot, TestingUnoDosTre
benkay: cgcardona_: can you really up yourself? would you demonstrate that?
gribble: Nick 'cgcardona_', with hostmask 'cgcardona_!~cgcardona@cpe-75-85-131-223.hawaii.res.rr.com', is identified as user 'cgcardona_', with GPG key id 0F1225CA7384131A, key fingerprint B591A80F8DF61ACAC58C806A0F1225CA7384131A, and bitcoin address None
benkay: so part and then rejoin
kakobrekla: asciilifeform what was that recent blogpost link re dont come to merrica again?
gribble: Nick 'cgcardona_', with hostmask 'cgcardona_!~cgcardona@cpe-75-85-131-223.hawaii.res.rr.com', is not identified.
gribble: Nick 'cgcardona_', with hostmask 'cgcardona_!~cgcardona@cpe-75-85-131-223.hawaii.res.rr.com', is not identified.
benkay: waiting on you, cgcardona_
cgcardona_: the time lag is that I need to reauth w/ gribble each time which takes a second.
benkay: ;;gettrust cgcardona_ assbot
benkay: kakobrekla: what's going on with cgcardona_ ?
benkay: just self-upped with no lvl2 trust to assbot.
cgcardona_: kakobrekla: gave me a little trust yesterday. i think that was sufficient
benkay: ;;gettrust kakobrekla assbot
cgcardona_: i'm still unclear on how to get trust from assbot
benkay: ;;gettrust kakobrekla cgcardona_
benkay: ;;gettrust assbot cgcardona_
cgcardona_: kakobrekla: I'm new! will rate right now (googling how)
benkay: uh so i guess this means i have to update ratings
benkay: ;;rate Ssateneth 3 good exchange
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user Ssateneth has changed from 2 to 3.
kakobrekla: at this point we will need #bitcoin-assets-support
benkay: ;;rate mircea_popescu 3 bitlord
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mircea_popescu has changed from 1 to 3.
benkay: ;;rate kakobrekla 3 such ops
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user kakobrekla has changed from 2 to 3.
benkay: ;;rate jurov 2 great to work with
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user jurov has changed from 1 to 2.
cgcardona_: ;;rate kakobrekla 1 For allowing me to have voince in #bitcoin-assets
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user kakobrekla has been recorded.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mod6 has changed from 1 to 2.
benkay: ;;rate davout 2 did not 0day me
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user davout has changed from 1 to 2.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 65 @ 0.00570001 = 0.3705 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: TestingUnoDosTre does assbot still say you are not authed?
benkay: ;;rate TestingUnoDosTre 1 #bitcoin-assets +v
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user TestingUnoDosTre has changed from 1 to 1.
TestingUnoDosTre: ;;rate dignork 1 helped me register gpg key. Bitcoin-assets support 5 stars *****
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user dignork has been recorded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.03529966 = 0.1059 BTC [+] {3}
cgcardona_: ;;rate kakobrekla 1 For allowing me to have voice in #bitcoin-assets
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user kakobrekla has changed from 1 to 1.
assbot: Insufficient rights, Anduck.
assbot: Insufficient rights, Anduck.
Apocalyptic: <Anduck> !up gribble // he's already upped... as you are
assbot: Insufficient rights, Anduck.
Anduck: i thought it was because i wasn't authed
assbot: Insufficient rights, gribble.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.00096536 = 4.3924 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: if you !up yourself via pm with assbot you get all the rights you get
Anduck: why does it say "insufficient rights"?
kakobrekla: you dont get those if you are upped by someone else or if theres a split like it was.
assbot: Voicing anduck for 30 minutes.
Anduck: well, it's not a bug but... that is a bug
assbot: Insufficient rights, gribble.
assbot: I don't do bots, Anduck.
assbot: Insufficient rights, gribble.
kakobrekla: the problem is, theres a difference between "!up Anduck" and "!up anduck"
assbot: Voicing anDuck for 30 minutes.
assbot: Voicing Gribble for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0354999 = 0.355 BTC [+]
Anduck: gribble needs permavoice, though
kakobrekla: no gribble just needs less idiots messing around with stuff
fluffypony: lol, so there's a new Japanese exchange: btcbox.co.jp
fluffypony: from reddit: "Just to clarify, this is not a new Gox. They were only here cos that fat french fuck had to run away from his previous crimes. This exchange appears to be a proper japanese exchange aimed at the Japanese people."
Anduck: haha you just called me an idiot, right? =D
bounce: timeless lessons of software engineering.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00096536 = 6.5162 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.608 BTC [+]
ozbot: My wife is complaining that the house is cold.... because we sold our bitcoin miners... : Bitcoin
ThickAsThieves: "And before she was complaining that the house was too noisy... because we had bitcoin miners...
Anduck: should buy noiseless miners
Anduck: bitfurys for example =)
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves until and unless he starts spanking her, definitely.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.03403328 = 0.2723 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06698999 = 0.6699 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: any reccommendations on what software to use to talk to gpg for automated things?
fluffypony: ¿ʇoqssɐ oʇ assbot ǝɯɐuǝɹ pןnoɥs ǝʍ ǝqʎɐɯ
benkay: hard question is how best to set up box with gpg on network and wire it to other boxen doing stuff.
mircea_popescu: why on network ? hook them up on serial cable and write your own protocol.
benkay: but thx mircea_popescu
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00096672 = 18.4644 BTC [+]
bounce: interfacing gpg is clunky to the point there's a library to make it easier, gpgme (haven't checked how much it helps, to me it's just another annoying dependency), though some programs just run the commands and look at the answer strings
bounce: though if you go (bourne, not bourne again please) script it's probably a good idea to tell the thing to use "C" for a locale, lest the thing suddenly talks french or something
FabianB: pympex and MPEx.rb use gpgme
mircea_popescu: gpgme isn't bad, there's also a gpgagent thing that seems solid
FabianB: gpgme is a library for gpg, gpg-agent just just 'remember my pw for a period of time'
assbot: Voicing dignork for 30 minutes.
assbot: Listing #bitcoin-assets rules - requested by only
assbot: - don't spam too much, it's spammy
assbot: - don't use of 'afk' or 'away' on the chan or your nick, it's spammy
assbot: - anything you say is public and can be used by anyone
assbot: - we do like bacon and eggs, even sausages most of the time
dignork: mircea_popescu, this kind of contradicts the new elitist channel model
assbot: Voicing only for 30 minutes.
only: danke mircea_popescu
assbot: Insufficient rights, gribble.
dignork: tor access seems to be horribly lagging anyway:( so even my attempt to check if grible echo hack works was pointless :(
ozbot: assbot level 2 trust | Khersonus Blog
Anduck: assbot: take your head off your ass
jurov: ;;gettrust assbot dignork
dignork: i know the drill mircea_popescu, but nobody trusts me enought anyway :)
benkay: what do we think about 1's for +v?
benkay: obvs not for robwhiz22 etc al but those who appear to be on the right track
benkay: ;;rate dignork 1 #bitcoin-assets +v
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user dignork has been recorded.
benkay: dignork: are you selling btc atm?
benkay: ;;gettrust assbot dignork
dignork: benkay, i can sell some small amount, just for kicks, why?
pankkake: dignork would have had a trust through me soon anyways
mircea_popescu: dignork why so emo srsly ? apparently tons of people were going to trust you enough
dignork: i have some trust on otc, but the group in assets does not intersects too much
pankkake: bounce: there is --with-colons. I never had to parse actual text content from GPG, exit codes etc. were enough
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00096684 = 11.6988 BTC [+] {2}
pankkake: but the state of python libs is weird… there's like at least three libs and they all suck
bounce: sure. mutt doesn't use gpgme either, IIRC
only: any tobacco smokers in here? I want a rating as well :)
bounce: ::rate -1 only unhealthy character
mircea_popescu: lol cigs for access ? this sounds like the old time clubs are here :D
pankkake: I'm thinking of hoarding tobacco, as a doomsday currency
bounce isn't too sure python doesn't secretly suck either. then again, might be I'm reading too many naggum links.
only: pankkake: good thinking
bounce: risky though. one fire and all your currency goes up in smoke.
assbot: Voicing toffoo for 30 minutes.
only: any brands in mind, pankkake?
benkay: java with less typing is all.
pankkake: no, I don't know the first thing about it. my first step would be learn how to store it so that it lasts
bounce: there's some cute things you can do with it that're less possible with java
only: pankkake: a big ass humidor should suffice
mircea_popescu: anyway, there are those who claim old tobacco properly stored is actually better than new.
assbot: Voicing omen1855 for 30 minutes.
bounce: so I rewrote that thing from yesterday in python then fixed the calculations:
http://pastebin.ca/2695668 apparently this "comprehensions" thing is a bit contagious.
jurov found some vintage "taras bulba" tobacco from 1960s.. so you say it has some value?
only: mircea_popescu: Virginias age wonderfully :)
pankkake: I love list comprehensions. I'm sure lispfags will scoff at it though!
jurov: lol... it was named after nikolai gogol's novella
mircea_popescu: is this the one with the kidnapped underage chick where the author blames the chick ?
jurov: i had not read(nor smoke) it wikipedia says nothign about chix
fluffypony: [20:24:57] <xodianbarr> fyi the prypto shares early adopter offering ends tonight. Tomorrow they will be unavailable and on Tuesday they go on bitcoinbourse. Anyone purchasing at least 1 share till the deadline gets a private share for every public share purchased and the opportunity of the private share account which gives an insight into dividend profit build up monthly.
fluffypony: another bitcoinbourse "asset" is coming
bounce: heh. so, you have to buy one sooper sekrit share now or be bereft of the company books forever?
jurov: yes, i mentioned it, "bitcoin stickers IPO"
ozbot: Prypto: Welcome to Prypto
ozbot: Why everything you think you know about DNS is entirely wrong pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu
mircea_popescu: yesterday i write, today they apply ?! gotta love these new scammers.
fluffypony: uh, but Google has stated on more than one occasion that exact match domain names are no longer relevant
jurov: whut are they gonna use? soundex?
bounce tries and fails to come up with a funny connecting "africanisation of the west" to the fail that is "black culture" in the US and bright eyed young white pasty silly vally kids
bounce is no good with drama. but hey, n'ver know what the morrow bringeth
bounce: maybe should go and look at that onion "white niggah" thing for inspiration
fluffypony: can we cast robwhizz22 as court jester?
mircea_popescu: bounce to learn a craft, you copy the masters. pick a play, rewrite it for your topic, publish your clumbsy attempt for general ridicule.
mircea_popescu: if you've a modicum of culture and read the damned things you stand some chance of at least picking the right one for the purpose.
mircea_popescu: in any event, twenty or so years later you may have become mediocre at it.
bounce: well, at least I got your unequivocal encouragement
dignork: mircea_popescu, DNS article, topic related name might get indexed by search engine in forum links etc, so they might not be a total waste of money
fluffypony: most forums nowadays are nofollow links
assbot: Voicing starsoccer for 30 minutes.
starsoccer: just did it via pm but it told me i need to auth
gribble: Nick 'starsoccer', with hostmask 'starsoccer!~starsocce@207.12.89.33', is not identified.
gribble: Request successful for user starsoccer, hostmask starsoccer!~starsocce@207.12.89.33. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:cbc86176ae8302104f5210cc34dae4fafdcb017ed3a11f33fbb95758
starsoccer: well i ussually idle in a few so it always sees me
mircea_popescu: you're on the l2 list, so after you do you can pm assbot !up and it'll permavoice oyu.
bounce: ;;gettrust assbot starsoccer
dignork: another example then: otc user shilling a service with domain name consisting of "bitcoin" and "insanity", i'll never remember the domain name, but googling these two terms kinda brings me to his site
assbot: Voicing aadeseye for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: dignork the reason you don't remember it is precisely that it had bitcoin in it and your brain spaces it out. i don't remember all the coin* shit either.
mircea_popescu: if it was some unique well chosen 5-6-7 char word you prolly would have remembered it.
dignork: mircea_popescu, yes, but in this case "google" algo kicks in, and he still gets a customer, so this dns exploits another mind bug , instead of browser autocompletion
bounce: two consonants at the start is nice for re-visits, not so much for first looks, typing from a commercial or the decals on a lorry or whatever
mircea_popescu: if you're good enough to actually get forum mentions the effect in question is comparatively weak. if you're weak and rely on trying to spam forums it won't likely get you anything anyway. at least in a high level survey sort of mindset. no denying that derping on the internet could turn your 100 bux and 110 hours a week into 1k or w/e, just... who cares about that.
bounce: and I have no idea what google is up to now. so if you do site:example.com it'll substitute that as it sees fit? -- getting results out of them is getting fuzzier and fuzzier so that's no surprise, but it is annoying for those cases where I really want this exact search query and not the "properly spelled" one or whatever those US-based barbarians think I should've typed
dignork: mircea_popescu, so to exploit both bugs, on par with bitcointicker.co I
dignork: I'd register kjwhatver to make it accessible
bounce: plenty people care about winning small in the same way that wossname home traders want to feel like a trader much more than making money trading
artifexd: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:aca8c3b4fedadc86aa1bbfe5fe456d92d8526d3b3a40225231aafe17
gribble: You are now authenticated for user artifexd with key 11D1433947A3327A
assbot: Insufficient rights, benkay.
assbot: Insufficient rights, artifexd.
assbot: Insufficient rights, benkay.
artifexd: Hmm... no self-pwning possible anymore.
kakobrekla: benkay cant down artifexd cause he upped himself
kakobrekla: ok , one that i currently intend to fix
artifexd: kakobrekla: What is that bug? For, you know, science.
Azelphur: what's the point of the whole +v for 30 minutes thing anyway?
artifexd: The point is to, eventually, increase the signal to noise ratio.
mircea_popescu: problem is 100 hours at minimum wage + your upfront would make more than the "winning in a small way"
cgcardona_: i figured forcing people to register w/ their pgp/gpg keys forces some sort of accountability for your actions/words in the room.
bounce: call it a hobby and it's win-win all the way
kakobrekla: artifexd telling would spoil all the fun.
Azelphur: I haven't bothered to talk much here any more since having to auth up and stuff, especially with the freenode splits recently
kakobrekla: actually Azelphur , stats say you were relatively most active in last week
benkay: tbh kakobrekla i thought you'd fixed that one!
kakobrekla: benkay that not a bug that just retards in the playground
Azelphur: yea, it's coincidence more than anything else, there's been a few times I've typed stuff in here, had it dropped because of +m and gone to speak elsewhere instead
Azelphur: I could understand accountability (no +v if you're not gribbled, or requirement of WoT ratings) but the messaging every 30 minutes is very bizarre.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00096536 = 19.1141 BTC [-] {2}
Azelphur: oh? I'm sure I remember it grumbling about 30 minutes or something, fair enough
kakobrekla: yeah you can up anyone here for 30 min
kakobrekla: but you can up yourself if you have wot
kakobrekla: and if you up yourself, you can up others, not otherwise
Azelphur: fair enough then I suppose, not as bad as I thought, only thing that would be nice is having it automate the entire process :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13150 @ 0.00096543 = 12.6954 BTC [+]
Anduck: i'll just irc elsewhere when i'm too lazy to do /msg assbot !up
kakobrekla: sounds like it does indeed work like it should.
gribble: Request successful for user starsoccer, hostmask starsoccer!~starsocce@207.12.89.33. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:42ade4b541beb1b9d5cd29f87d0869e645d30e8e914a85a2c3daa82a
Anduck: kakobrekla: then again, is that the purpose of this channel
ThickAsThieves: "A study in mice shows that trauma might be inherited through altered gene expression in sperm"
kakobrekla: if you dont find it worth of typing !up, the content is not worthy of polluting this chan with
ThickAsThieves: question for you guys, I have someone that never claimed their S.MG PT shares on Havelock
ThickAsThieves: i guess i could xfer some to HL and get them to coordinate, but then, really it may be easier to just buu them on HL
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.00096543 = 5.4547 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 2003 @ 0.00008 = 0.1602 BTC [+]
assbot: Insufficient rights, mircea_popescu.
Duffer1: only 11152 short of their goal
Duffer1: it's nice to see recent havelock scams falling flat on their faces
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: hehe, sort of coincidence really, but yea :)
Anduck: kakobrekla: too bad but that's a lie
Anduck: just fancy sounding words
Anduck: what you said before your last line
kakobrekla: its not a lie if i honestly believe so!
benkay: at a party last night someone said "all business transactions are fictitious" and apparently my reaction was amusing enough to justify staging a reenactment:
http://imgur.com/SdbMdMf mircea_popescu: benkay so apparently you hang out with peopple who believe whatevert they don't understand doesn't really exist
mircea_popescu: and then come up with fancy ways to dress that shit up
mircea_popescu: also omfg you & your friends may be the hipsterest people i know
benkay: well you're old thats no real surprise
ThickAsThieves: didnt people at parties look like that 10 years ago too?
ThickAsThieves: is hipsterism basically dressing like it's laundry day?
benkay: glorifying being broke?
bounce: "just look at me being a dork but I get away with it because I'm cooler than thou"
bounce: from what little I've seen the dress code is quite amazingly strict, though.
ThickAsThieves: and the reason i'm cooler is because i say so and i want to be
bounce: plenty places have their own distinct subcultures. japan seems to have fscktons of kinds of hipsters.
ThickAsThieves: i thought hipsters were dudes with mustaches & suspenders, and girls in wool dresses
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves except check this shit out : "clearly this shit works but it's a coincidence because i don't think it should or see why it would"
ThickAsThieves: "sarcastic humor, self-imposed poverty and relaxed sexual codes."
mircea_popescu: that hipster sarcasm is the worst fucking cry for help i ever heard.
mircea_popescu: it's like "please don't kick us out of here, we know we don't belong, can this count as a getoutof kicking ?"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3732 @ 0.00096536 = 3.6027 BTC [-]
bounce recalls some discussion about deep purple laughing about a bunch of others because they were so "out of tune with what was happening in londen at the time" -- due to having the wrong haircut
bounce: it's the small things that mark you part of the pack
bounce: 80s, rock, long hair. yeah, haircuts are important.
bounce: bit late to try and sell'im that advice for 54 bitcoin
bounce: s/80s/70s/ I suppose. n'mind.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0485 = 0.1455 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06278234 = 0.1256 BTC [-]
benkay: asciilifeform: which widget?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude you're incredible. why do you keep posting that stuff ?!
bounce: /ignore you MSG would do it here.
Apocalyptic: in Xchat you have to specify a mask followed by ALL if you want to block everything
mircea_popescu: i mean the original author sorta managed to get himself excreted, for this reason. what is it, like self loathing ?
benkay: asciilifeform dreams of trolling his 'real' purposes out of him.
ozbot: toxin: XChat Ignore
benkay: well it sounds as though he's progressed to calling /you/ a fraud. that's progress.
bounce: "this way to the egress"
benkay: wither the egrets though
bounce: and then they come back. regrets.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.608 BTC [+]
bounce: "es leuchtet blau" -- which for some reason is not nearly as funny in the original
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60889999 BTC [+]
bounce: and a CRT to boot. you likes dem high voltage, no?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58140023 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19165 @ 0.00096423 = 18.4795 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04808333 = 0.1442 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03549 = 0.142 BTC [+]
bounce: though shouldn't be too heavy on the SMD stuff. ie, reasonably repairable.
benkay: so i don't like crypto + aristocrat > cryptocrat
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.03548999 = 0.1065 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5940001 BTC [+]
bounce: or source a large stack of them for parts (and get money to take'em away)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20850 @ 0.00096327 = 20.0842 BTC [-] {2}
bounce: buy up the factory for a song
benkay: mircea_popescu BingoBoingo bitcoinpete cryptocrats? cryptocracy?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5874999 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: benkay: Prolly to early for a label. Wait for some lulzy incedent to reveal the proper term.
benkay: buttcoiners i guess in the meantime
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.03549 = 0.1065 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.595 BTC [+]
benkay: what do you mean by whitelisting, asciilifeform ?
benkay: do it yourself in erc?
fluffypony: benkay: didn't El Reg call mircea_popescu the Bitcoin Baron?
bounce: ircII can do that. /ignore * MSG /ignore whitelisted ^MSG
fluffypony: "Romanian Bitcoin baron 'stumps up $20k to keep OpenBSD's lights on'"
benkay: can't say as i have any intention of taking style cues from linkbait article titles.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.04979635 = 0.1992 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.034111 = 0.1364 BTC [-]
benkay: what fraction of the runup to 1200 can we attribute to the bitlocker virus?
benkay: and is it not a thing any more?
kakobrekla: haxors got goxxed, back to prepaid cards.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24403 @ 0.00096735 = 23.6062 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11097 @ 0.0009687 = 10.7497 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: anyway, assbot's 29 could be teh bitcoin barons, i see no problem.
mircea_popescu: we gotta start small, work our way up to dukery, not like some other douchebaggery, starting with dukes.
BingoBoingo: lol, I was going to say something about it, but figured it would be more interesting to see when someone else brought up the Dukedoms
ozbot: Twitter / AltcoinAce: #CAI seeks to build 'first ...
mircea_popescu: i suddenly had this vision of me being like, 75, and reading about this new, biggest, first bitcoin based exchange,
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0651124 = 0.6511 BTC [+] {2}
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user justusranvier has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell justusranvier to voice yourself in -assets you id with gribble then pm assbot !up
ozbot: 6.120 billion | Next Diff in 674 blocks | Estimated Change: 10.3317% in 4d 4h 39m 26s
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i was looking athte 9bn bet. seems a lock.
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets stats
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.00096876 = 8.7673 BTC [+] {2}
gribble: Error: 'New' is not a valid integer.
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 32 @ 0.00691276 = 0.2212 BTC [-] {4}
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
assbot: Voicing garret for 30 minutes.
jurov: oh i should update prices/dividends
mircea_popescu: stop giving the frenchie so much voice, you'll wear it out.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 20 @ 0.00710883 = 0.1422 BTC [+]
assbot: Voicing kanzure for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.58001098 = 2.32 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: Voicing AltcoinAce for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: AltcoinAce this is the bitcoin assets channel. these are the people. up there are the logs. have fun!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.57819097 = 6.3601 BTC [-] {10}
davout: i'll put it on my list
jurov: AltcoinAce you run some altcoin business?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.57500001 = 2.875 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: mostly for le vison. mireille d'arc / jacqueline monsigny
AltcoinAce: and learning before I move up to other stuff
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 114 @ 0.0055646 = 0.6344 BTC [-] {8}
AltcoinAce: but crpyto is a good market to be in right now
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1199 @ 0.00015 = 0.1799 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK:HIF] 1D: 0.00013712 / 0.00014521 / 0.00019348 (3360 shares, 0.48789385 BTC), 7D: 0.00010000 / 0.00024261 / 0.00042000 (30193 shares, 7.32523363 BTC), 30D: 0.00010000 / 0.00032505 / 0.00051299 (74487 shares, 24.21198821 BTC)
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user novusordo has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell novusordo to voice yourself in assets you id with gribble then pm assbot !up
kanzure: mircea_popescu: can you try rating me again pls
kanzure: ouch: 14:45 <assbot> You need a better WOT rating. (level 2 with assbot >0)
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user kanzure has been recorded.
jurov: ;;rate kanzure 1 i have seen your github
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
assbot: mircea_popescu, you can't do that to jurov.
kanzure: what is the type of unit for the number i provide to the rate command?
jurov: ;;rate kanzure 1 i have seen your github
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user kanzure has been recorded.
jurov: ;;rate kanzure 0.000001 i have seen your github
gribble: Error: '0.000001' is not a valid integer.
jurov: you can't have fractional trust or distrust
kanzure: so i should read this as '10 trusts'?
mircea_popescu: first off, you don't need fractions, you could just as well increase the max for same effect
mircea_popescu: second off, 10 levels is plenty. how fine can your brain work ?
bounce: pfft. and there I was, wanting to rate 3.1415927. can't doo that. boo!
jurov: kanzure: you should read the comments, numbers are just numbers
bounce: then we'll just have to stick to biblical notions of "round", no?
jurov: what's biblical notion of round?
jurov: oh that was the answer? mkay
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24050 @ 0.00096907 = 23.3061 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: "Amazing: @Chase just cancelled my debit card because a merchant may or may not have been hacked. They didn't call. Won't tell me who."
ThickAsThieves: thanks jurov, i'll keep it in mind, it's so few people/shares at this point that I doubt it'll happen much more
mircea_popescu: you know this completely blows me away. there's like... 2 assets on hl that didn't lose most of the investor's money, and the total investment in them was... bitcents ?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile all sorts of bizarre shit supposedly gets 100s of btc, if not k's.
ThickAsThieves: as suspected in the past, they may be satsisfying an urge to gamble, not invest
assbot: Voicing Tiraspol for 30 minutes.
ozbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: How's your Aurora scamcoin ...
mircea_popescu: she works for max keiser. they were pumping it together.
mircea_popescu: it's not clear if they actually owned it or just shill for pay, but after all what the hell's the difference.
mircea_popescu: sure, just as long as the scammers pushing it own 99.99% of it all.
mircea_popescu: and should anyone sell and it drop another 50%, why, they'll just hardfork it again
ozbot: cloudflare_challenge
mircea_popescu: if you're going to humiliate, might as well humiliate in detail.
assbot: Need a nickname, joecool.
assbot: Voicing urmom for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: the problem with the shadow fuhrer is that he couldn't conceivably find a reason to be bothered with actual holes.
mod6: kakobrekla: do you run blockr.io?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform think strategically. 1. "you didn't know we knew, did you ? fail" vs 2. "you didn't know we knew, did you ? OR that a website was all ready to go. just how fucking inept are you, can't find a website, srsly ?"
bounce: baking is terrism now?
mod6: ahh, im gonna write to them. my atc bot sends up
http requests to get some json back so we can do things like: last_block, diff, etc. but from time to time, my host/ip seems to get tar-pitted. even for a low threshold.
mircea_popescu: "In 2013, two men from upstate New York were arrested after building a radioactive "death ray" device and plotting to use it against Muslims"
☟︎ mod6: Wonder if they would white-list me to a higher threshold for coins.
bounce: not some shrewd 20something with a datafeed brokerage yet?
bounce: and get paid by both sides, why not
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is there any proof whatsoever this charade included anything other/different from the soviet wrecker "confessions" ?
bounce: the us "justice" system appears to be a, waht was it, chumpatron with press gangs
mircea_popescu: bounce not yet. whole shebang build to make him possible since at least 2012, yet he's not here yet.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1500 @ 0.00013181 = 0.1977 BTC [-] {7}
mircea_popescu: all sorts of fake-shrewd 20yo morons however, humping the "first best largest" delusion humptrain
mircea_popescu: from atop, it's kinda fascinating/shocking just how moronic people are.
bounce: hm. maybe I should try and fake this 20something for a bit then.
mircea_popescu: bounce easier for you to fake being 20 than for bona fide 20yos to fake having a brain
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform are they also going to launch it from their asshole, like fireworks ?
bounce: oh lookit, a stealth compliment. still, looks like work. where's me overalls?
mircea_popescu: wasn't it a 3 month training course to be cleared with those ?
bounce: strela 1: big fat rocket. strela 2: weight watchers "rocket"
mircea_popescu: widely exported, and perhaps the #1 cause of friendly fire casualties in "unorganised" conflcits
bounce: not the antitank thingy with the big head?
mircea_popescu: aren't these a bitch to properly discharge, have to handle the tube as itlaunches ?
mircea_popescu: i entirely fail to see how "combing upstate ny for hilbillies inept enough to imagine they can fire magic death upon random targets" is in any sense the business of intel.
mircea_popescu: more importantly, any intelligent people remaining have a lot of trouble continuing to do anything worthwhile in such an environment.
mircea_popescu: imagine a start-up where the entire office did nothing but play minigolf all day.
assbot: Voicing punkman for 30 minutes.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user punkman has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: there was a secret special dept in teh fsb dedicated to exactly this.
assbot: Voicing veeminer for 30 minutes.
assbot: Voicing ishauli for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: incidentally : gpg armored lends itself splendidly to stego : the payload byte is only a few bits
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3134 @ 0.00096745 = 3.032 BTC [-]
bounce: for some reason I can never actually read much of fravia.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00074988 = 0.15 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 306 @ 0.00074988 = 0.2295 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 250 @ 0.00078 = 0.195 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00096537 = 21.2381 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16756 @ 0.00096326 = 16.1404 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: Voicing Visitor_ for 30 minutes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6694 @ 0.00096109 = 6.4335 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.00096745 = 23.7993 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20680 @ 0.00096916 = 20.0422 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin network difficulty > 14Bn on Bastille day
ozbot: 6.120 billion | Next Diff in 663 blocks | Estimated Change: 9.7849% in 4d 3h 38m 22s
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10904 @ 0.00096987 = 10.5755 BTC [+]
cgcardona_: no connection to the price. all based on speculation of the future value of a coin right?
mircea_popescu: Resolution: in 3 months 2 days. that's more like 6 periods actually.
mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ not really. the relatively high pricing of the usd is based on (baseless) speculation of its future value.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00096578 = 2.1247 BTC [-]
assbot: Voicing JorgePasada for 30 minutes.
cgcardona_: this is the only room i've been in where voice actually means something.
cgcardona_: usually its the "i'm kinda in the club" flag