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cazalla: tandacoin, you run that site with microguy, the goldcoin scammer?
mats_cd03: cazalla is a little heavy handed with the criticism
kakobrekla: no time for being soft, time for pokemon!
mats_cd03: works better to educate, then drop the bombs after it fails
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> "this is actually the only cockroach in this soup". <<< lel
nubbins`: "press any button you want except for the one that breaks it"
cazalla: mats_cd03, not reary, the guy was only trying to get an article up on qntra to pump his own site in all likelihood
adlai: "our planes may be old, but they're also uncomfortable"
nubbins`: "which button is that?" "it varies"
mats_cd03: too quick to burn bridges is all i'm saying
adlai: depends what's on the other side, or worse yet, partway across
mats_cd03: the number of newcomers that have become regulars has dwindled massively
☟︎ mats_cd03: i feel this encourages an echo chamber as it continues
assbot: Logged on 30-11-2014 23:54:29; tandacoin: ive used them for ages and hashstaker is going to make so much money it sold out in hours
mats_cd03: you'll never get a writer that reads chinese and wants to write for qntra at this rate :p
assbot: Logged on 01-12-2014 00:21:33; mats_cd03: the number of newcomers that have become regulars has dwindled massively
kakobrekla: the general discussion here also changed a lot over last years
kakobrekla: but i dunno, who joined in last few months that is not worth keeping?
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jurov: ;;later tell mircea_popescu withdrawals pls
thestringpuller: last time I tried to sync blockchain, the thing just blew up
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'm glad you're here to hold our feet to the fire.
ben_vulpes: i am familiar with this metaphor of yours.
ben_vulpes: overhauling the engine consists of a myriad of turdlets.
ben_vulpes: boring cylinders, flushing tubes, checking elasticity of remaining o-rings...
ben_vulpes: if the barbarian opens the hood and immediately disassembles the engine, what can we expect to happen?
ben_vulpes: similarly, there must be a garage, white sheet on the ground, binder for part numbering and notes.
ben_vulpes: this is not cargo cult deconstruction - this is taking the time to do a thing correctly.
kakobrekla: one step at a time, those will be going to people who run winblows and possibly a webwallet
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: no you don't understand unless it's a perfect solution it's entirely worthless
kakobrekla: we just dont understand how the world works
kakobrekla: <asciilifeform> if you are pwned while using 'brainwallets', simply shows that your brain is defective < no need to test this hypothesis the result is known
kakobrekla: i will not tell them "this is 100% secure"
punkman: asciilifeform: you got their website and download signed firmware, which is then pushed to device by way of browser plugin
punkman: all kinds of madness in there
kakobrekla admits it hasnt gone beyond asking jurov if its simple enough for my mom
kakobrekla: unless i already melted into the box here
kakobrekla: well ill attach a note, never upgrade.
punkman: they did ship buggy firmware before
ben_vulpes: presumably the upgrade can be forced upon one by nef4ri0s micr0
kakobrekla: myea its worse than it thought this. a well, lucky for them btc has no chargeback!
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kakobrekla: still i kinda think its a tad better than plain webwallet
kakobrekla: is there some physical button to enable upgrade ?
punkman: I don't get their whole recovery seed, pin codes, password mess
punkman: asciilifeform: doubt they will open source it
kakobrekla: well you can enter your own private key in trezor and null it after done
kakobrekla: hm what happend to that guy that was last here arguing about random from ram and temp n shit
kakobrekla: yes but i cant recall what were they doing
kakobrekla: aha seems they are selling the product.
kakobrekla: wait whut, they diss usb but support wifi ?
adlai: why does chromium need to be incognito if it's an offline thingy
adlai: "Secure Bitcoin Live USB key for offline transactions" (I didn't click the link, just reacting to the title)
adlai: you must really love mycelium entropy
kakobrekla: adlai there are pages of bashing of that thing in logs
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assbot: Proof That Mycelium Knows How To Make A Better RNG For Its Entropy Dongle. And Isn't. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... (
http://bit.ly/1y61MkH )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9646 @ 0.0003455 = 3.3327 BTC [-]
adlai found it already from search.b-a, reading
kakobrekla: fuck that search, it finds too many things!
adlai: maybe my priorities are misplaced, but one huge problem I saw with the whole entropy thingy is... the printer
kakobrekla: well you get a new one without the wifi and when done printing blend it with Blendtec and throw dust in magma
kakobrekla: in 3 different vulcanos, just in case.
adlai: amazingly, it looks as though these dongles are NOT encrypting the keys before sending them to the printer, so my fears aren't totally crazy
adlai has () instead of <>, in dvorak, aka qwerty's WE
adlai: oh you'd actually rearrange the keys?
adlai learned dvorak on a rollup keyboard that couldn't be rearranged
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adlai: the macbook pro I used at my last office job still boots into dvorak and has to manually be switched to qwerty, last I checked
decimation: re: Opera << i use the webkit based one, probably offers little protection against firefox based attacks
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah I said systemd was a fungus. I agree, I don't see how this kind of thing is tolerable. Politically, I think Linus is up against a wall to some degree, because he knows redhat, inc pays for most of the kernel 'zeks'
cazalla: if you have full blown autism, nintendo run the best events, you don't have say shit or look at anyone to collect the promo items they give away
decimation: nintendo has pretty much gone downhill since the 'NES'
cazalla: decimation, what's that? a clear no btw
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18150 @ 0.00034456 = 6.2538 BTC [-]
cazalla: decimation, why would you ask me if i went there? i don't get it
decimation: well, I guess I assumed you went to some kind of trade show with nintendo present.
cazalla: mats_cd03: too quick to burn bridges is all i'm saying <<< i gave him the opportunity but then he started with the gaw miners, altcoins are legit cause he made money with it
cazalla: dunno why they even had reps there, gameboy picks up the items automatically over wireless, they could've just left their gameboy on the counter and had customers walk up to it, do a 360 and then walk out the shops
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51300 @ 0.00034592 = 17.7457 BTC [+]
cazalla: gameboy app tells me there were 9 people there but i only saw the reps so like i said, it's an autists dream come true
ben_vulpes: is the dosser of the uncloaked still around?
decimation: apparently our friend's promise to 'move on' was not to be taken seriously
ben_vulpes: promises by someone out of the wot are to be taken seriously? :P
kakobrekla: apparently thing doesnt jump anymore but spreads bw
kakobrekla: as far as i gathered it was ddosing one at a time before ratpoison - it jumped to the last one joining. now it just adds to stack.
kakobrekla: these are my findings from very short time of fiddling with the thing so i may be off.
adlai types too fast to have written that bet
kakobrekla: Shabnam Ansar i don't understand a lot of stuff you say, nevertheless i read them all... you are just so amazing n my role model
kakobrekla: Dear Shabnam Ansar: galdgtaglkg kglafk alfalfkfkfkfkfka
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cazalla: pete_dushenski, ya didn't know this?
cazalla: there is talk of raising it due to budget shortfalls despite the government that brough it in promising the legislation would never allow for such a thing to occur
cazalla: yeah, stamp tax, land tax, fuck you for even being born tax type shit
pete_dushenski: i was reading up on the russian tax code this weekend and it's completely fucking reasonable.
decimation: cazalla: do you have to pay income tax too?
cazalla: and then your local council strong arms you on top of all that as well
pete_dushenski: decimation show me a country with no income tax that's not in affrica
decimation: that's hardcore, what are the marginal rates?
decimation: some us states charge upwards of 10% 'sales tax'
decimation: well, those are high income brackets though
cazalla: defence and welfare are the two biggest costs
pete_dushenski: russia has other taxes, like vat of 18% and a special welfare tax of 25% on first $14k earned
decimation: so anyone who isn't 'living on welfare' in australia is a government employee
decimation: I'm okay with a high VAT/GST/sales tax if it comes with no income tax
☟︎ cazalla: decimation, something like 1 in 5 aussies gets some type of welfare, you can get disability for a sore foot if you are determined
decimation: cazalla: I assume they all have gov't paid pensions too right
assbot: Agency Goes To The Active, Or How Putin Doesn’t Understand How The World Works. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... (
http://bit.ly/1FH7jyF )
pete_dushenski: keep in mind i'm but a lowly observer... from the clouds
pete_dushenski: basically goes over the many ways putin has figured out capitalism better than almost anyone else.
pete_dushenski: and how to align himself with a religion, and how to politik, and how to generally run a nation state (at least one full of russians)
cazalla: decimation, of course, meanwhile they upped the pension age to 70 from the year 2035, of course, no money for pensions will be available to pay such a thing by then
decimation: well to be fair, putin can live off of massive mineral wealth to some degree
decimation: of course with the price of oil tanking...
pete_dushenski: but he's still king of the roost. low debt, plenty of other coal and gas to offset oil, gold
pete_dushenski: decimation but he's definitely in a fortunate position to start with
decimation: actually I was thinking while gasing up my car today... if you add up the fact that usg is funded to a big degree by printed dollars, and that now opec has decided to flood the market with oil to kill off drilling in north america, you realize that you have 'oil printing' vs. 'dollar printing'
decimation: well, it's hard not to be 'fortunate' when you own like 11% of the world's land
pete_dushenski: canada is in a similar position in the sense of resource wealth
decimation: if he just manages to keep territory, he wins
pete_dushenski: and canada has far more debt, more tax, but more "services"
decimation: well, russia is beating back canada's claims to the arctic, and seemingly doing a good job at it
decimation: heh yeah. I think they give guns to some of the eskimos too
pete_dushenski: the northwest passage is russia's or china's for the taking
assbot: The next big court event is in Hong Kong. If we win my legal team will seek $2billion in damages for the unlawful destruction of /hashtag/Megaupload?src=hash
decimation: don't get me wrong, lee-enfields are fine guns, but canada has the skills and money to invest in a more modern arctic gun, and apparently they can't afford it or don't want to
decimation: I've seen something that is supposed to be like it when I was in hawaii
decimation: they had 'dances from around greater polynesia'
decimation: yeah the most unusual part is the tongue-work
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pete_dushenski: canada also relies largely on southern neighbour's big stick
pete_dushenski: "A US man has been handed a US$500,000 fine for selling the StealthGenie malware in the first prosecution of a mobile spyware slinger. Police collared Hammad Akbar, 31, in September after he allegedly sold the malware to an undercover agent in 2012."
pete_dushenski: i wonder what they're going to slap the dogecoin android miner guy with. 1 trillion doge!
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decimation: my point was less about the enfields and more about the 'barely-exists' nature of canada's military, when compared to potential rivals in the arctic
pete_dushenski: the area to be protected is simply too large given the population of the country
decimation: well, because maybe they can charge gst on chinese tankers or whatever
pete_dushenski: or canada can choose not to spend a dime protecting it
pete_dushenski: and charge china gst for as long as china wants to play nice.
decimation: yeah, it will be interesting to see how that all ends up
decimation: at any rate, I'm off to bed, night all
pete_dushenski: canada is just choosing the path of least resistance and will continue to do so
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assbot: Evry btc company needs a /VitalikButerin or /gavinandresen . /Cancoin has /lastcanal , lead architect & heady genius single handedly winning
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.00035053 = 7.5714 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25311 @ 0.00034181 = 8.6516 BTC [-]
assbot: Bosnian community in St. Louis outraged over fatal hammer attack in Bevo Mill neighborhood : News ... (
http://bit.ly/1HQzS0t )
BingoBoingo: ^ “I don’t know why this is happening to Bosnians. We could go around and shoot people, too, but we just want peace.”
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77700 @ 0.0003476 = 27.0085 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: BitBet - Silver to fall under $15/oz before December 27th :: 8.63 B (52%) on Yes, 8.08 B (48%) on No | closed 3 hours 31 minutes ago ... (
http://bit.ly/12cCAxh )
cazalla: prolly shitcan the coinroll advert
mircea_popescu: yeah, as a general policy it's ok to take per-conversion deals with things that for whatever good reason sell themselves.
mircea_popescu: but with stuff in oversaturated novelty markets... let em pay cpm.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, no, about 1/2 the month if that
cazalla: was the 20th so not even 2 weeks but still
mircea_popescu: so wait, out of the 10k uniques quantcast reports for a whole month that leaves like 4k people, of which ~80 clicked ?
mircea_popescu: are you fucking shitting me, you're getting 2% ctrs ?!
mircea_popescu: this is what, 100x gawker ? jesus this thing is sweet.
cazalla: pssh, some of my adsense sites did way better than that but every fkn link was adsense
cazalla: i know but point is, CTR could be 100% but who cares if it didn't convert to a paying customer, total revenue this month = 0
cazalla: yes, so i vote we remove the advert and offer spots per cpm
mircea_popescu: you want to be on qntra, you pay to be on qntra. let all the coin* sites have the "we'll do your job for you" deals.
mircea_popescu: i don't think we even bother selling it until it shows great numbers and they come bangin' on the door.
mircea_popescu: course that raises the problem of wtf are great numbers.
cazalla: just charge in proportion to current numbers, increase as great numbers arrive
cazalla: maybe i'll whack up a sponsorship page outlining the demographics per quantcast
mircea_popescu: problem is like this : advertising is association. think of it like a woman (the publisher) getting married (the advertiser).
mircea_popescu: now, the time flows inversely, because these things improve with age
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, take a case like eva peron : prostitute at 15, singer/dancer at 17,
cazalla: 6 months in BA and you're singing don't cry for me Argentina
mircea_popescu: these people are beyond fucking clueless btw, im half tempted to write an article.
cazalla: i was going to attribute traffic drop to 2014 being somewhat of a write off but ccn is up and up so perhaps some penguin/panda styled penalty on coindesk, who knows
cazalla: yeah, various authors so there is your cheap content to publish constantly
cazalla: so what is the solution/plan, the site is going into its third month, it would be nice to generate some revenue even if it is only a small amount
mircea_popescu: what i mean specifically : the site is generating excellent revenue as it is. none of which is monetary.
mircea_popescu: the conversion is very expensive, and not really necessary, so why bother.
cazalla: because there comes a point where i can make more working mcdonalds and using mcbucks to buy btc instead of qntra to btc for my efforts
cazalla: it's not an immediate need, looking more towards long term, do i look back after a year and think yes, on a per hour basis, this earned more btc than turning my mcbucks to bitcoin
cazalla: that's like sacrificing long term for right now though
mircea_popescu: what i mean is : qntra is a bitcoin property. if bitcoin does well and qntra does well, it's not possible in a year for it to not be worth btc.
mircea_popescu: if you seek insurance against bitcoin doing well but qntra doing poorly, you can rebalance your shares-btc holdings proportions
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mircea_popescu: “The theft of Sony Pictures Entertainment content is a criminal matter, and we are working closely with law enforcement to address it,” a Sony spokeswoman said in a statement to Variety.
mircea_popescu: apparently mpaa is doing so well in its war with the internet, it reminds one of the glory of the us military in the middle and far east.
BingoBoingo: Totally, and this is who the MPAA is losing to.
mircea_popescu: not even, they got raped by some script kiddy group lol.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38000 @ 0.00034145 = 12.9751 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: Sure in this latest loss, but they can't even win against the derps they catch.
mircea_popescu: "He said the US had refused to supply the content of the electronic communications on which many of the allegations were made."
mircea_popescu: can i now impeach obama on the basis of some sex tapes in which he's fucking his daughters ?
mircea_popescu: im not releasing the tapes btw. so when's the impeachment ?
BingoBoingo: Once the new congress comes in in January they'll probably find something to latch on to.
mircea_popescu: the proper way to say it about a negative is "this excludes" or "this accounts for". so which of the two ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35500 @ 0.00034219 = 12.1477 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66309 @ 0.000341 = 22.6114 BTC [-]
cazalla: mircea_popescu, it means i have already deducted what needed removing
cazalla: mircea_popescu: the proper way to say it about a negative is "this excludes" or "this accounts for". so which of the two ? <<< will keep in mind for december
mircea_popescu: it's so disonant for me, fucking summer over here. xmas is coming ? hum.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30155 @ 0.00034016 = 10.2575 BTC [-] {2}
cazalla: still not a peep out of bitpay despite their promise that this years bitcoin black friday would be bigger than previous year
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65316 @ 0.00033898 = 22.1408 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46450 @ 0.00034602 = 16.0726 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: supposed to be winter here, a balmy 24 C
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70939 @ 0.00033872 = 24.0285 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26900 @ 0.00033857 = 9.1075 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00015 / 0.00015 / 0.00015 (297 shares, 0.04 BTC), 7D: 0.00015 / 0.00015 / 0.00015 (297 shares, 0.04 BTC), 30D: 0.00013514 / 0.00013792 / 0.00015 (4411 shares, 0.61 BTC)
mircea_popescu: and one of those rare situations where there's more buyside than the whole equity, by a wide margin. even if you discount the penny offers.
cazalla: can't remember my tardstalk account pwd
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7389 @ 0.00034622 = 2.5582 BTC [+]
cazalla: not much considering i'm still waiting to be unbanned for making violent threats which i did not even make
cazalla: least they can do is unban, allow me to make threats, reapply ban
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45500 @ 0.00034543 = 15.7171 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 01-12-2014 04:41:18; decimation: I'm okay with a high VAT/GST/sales tax if it comes with no income tax
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38154 @ 0.00034079 = 13.0025 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18011 @ 0.00034622 = 6.2358 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so i was thinking, aren't these dating sites and dating generally completely inequitable ?
mircea_popescu: why should companies not be allowed to only hire white people, but dudes dating be allowed to only date women ? or straight people ? or w/e ?
mircea_popescu: i hope the rainbow party doesn't stop with the gay marriage victory and goes to the core of the problem.
adlai: "this is not even my final form!" - socialism
mircea_popescu: one shouldn't be rejected merely because he is allegedly of the wrong gender.
adlai: it's funny/perfectlylogical how the biggest dating site is also the biggest gun running site
adlai: well, maybe not gun *running*, but it's definitely a brisker trade than SR
mircea_popescu: "feds close down 5 dedicated bitcoin-based drug trading sites, accounting together for <1% of online drug trade. the principal drug trading hub online, facebook, remains unaffected"
mircea_popescu: cazalla ^ perspective for teh next time lol. it didn't occur to me back then
punkman: topix is pretty big with drug sellers
mircea_popescu: so they even know about, just, won't mention the bezzle corps.
mircea_popescu: stil lthis entire "pills are drugs nao" online kiddie kick ?
adlai: iirc pain pills are the most-addicted-to drug in bezzland, followed by mood pills
mircea_popescu: Topix's main user base consists of posters from small cities and towns in the United States, particularly those with several thousand or hundred residents. Few people from major American cities use Topix. Topix has a large following in Appalachia, rural areas in the Southern United States, and the Ozarks. Discussions that traditionally took place in person in rural areas began to be posted on Topix. Chris Tolles, the c
mircea_popescu: hief executive of Topix LLC, said that Topix is very popular in "the feud states".
mircea_popescu: adlai i have nfi how you can be "addicted" to oxycodone.
adlai: same way you can be "addicted" to heroin?
punkman: those idiots actually try to smoke or IV pills
adlai: you don't have to own a needle or a crack pipe to be an addict
punkman: or all the retarded kids that crush up ritalin and snort it
mircea_popescu: the oxycodone aka heorin argument sounds to me like a hipster's bike aka armored persone carrier argument
mircea_popescu: punkman back when i was that age, idiots snorted powdered sugar, to pretend like they're whatever.
cazalla: i'll stick to nutmeg and banana skins
mircea_popescu: cazalla you know most of not-totally-poor africa makes brisk trade in fake papyrus made out of banana peels ?
mircea_popescu: they paint that shit and sell it to idiot whitey by the barge.
cazalla: i would not know this, i thought jenkem was only export
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> adlai i have nfi how you can be "addicted" to oxycodone. <<< uhhhh.... o.O
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nubbins`: "once the initial buzz or hit has worn down, most addicts report that their is little to no difference between H or Oxycodone"
mircea_popescu: what do these holy users of all-knowing importance report of the difference between windows and ubuntu ?
mircea_popescu: i totally care what a bunch of fucktards report, it's like, tantamout to science this.
adlai: well being addicted to the rush is a whole separate beast
mircea_popescu: "most people report sun and moon visibly the same size to naked eye"
adlai: "most people blinded by mysterious occurence at noon. more news at 1pm"
mircea_popescu: wait, no, i got better. "most eaters report no substandial difference between i-cant-believe-its-not-butter and butter"
nubbins`: you have no fucking idea how people can get addicted to snorting opiates, compressing a controlled 24-hour release into about half an hour?
nubbins`: their is three errors in this sentance
mircea_popescu: oxycodone is an "opiate" in the sense your average 300 lb social sciences postgrad is a "woman"
adlai: what are we even arguing about though?
adlai: there are still poppy tea addicts today, too
nubbins`: would you call morphine an opiate?
nubbins`: suppose i told you that oxycodone is 1.5x the strength?
mircea_popescu: i definitely can see how one can be addicted to morphine.
adlai: probably binding affinity?
nubbins`: i've erased enough chem from my brain to not be able to definitively say "yes" to that, but i mean 10mg of morphine = 6.67mg of oxy
mircea_popescu: nubbins` they're rather close anyway, so mass works nearly good enough
nubbins`: anyway, with orally-taken morphine as a "1"
nubbins`: oxys are a 1.5, IV/IM morphine is a 3
adlai: these are child opiates though, let's compare them to fentanyl
mircea_popescu: anyway, that's more of a cargo-cultapproach to this science ("i know it's strong because this is how the doctors use it")
nubbins`: fentanyl is in the 50-100 range
mircea_popescu: as best i can see, oxycodone is more like codeine than heroin.
nubbins`: i can only imagine there are endless clinical trials behind these numbers
nubbins`: people get addicted to oxy like nothing else
mircea_popescu: yes, but geared towards a different set of objectives.
nubbins`: it's available everywhere -- WAY more readily so than street opiates
mircea_popescu: let me put it this way : make a buffet with 10 lb bowls of pure powder.
mircea_popescu: how many people will be snorting your oxycodone when heroin directly available right next to it ?
adlai: can we fill the third bowl with salvinorin B?
adlai: *ethoxymethyl ether
nubbins`: mircea_popescu sure, but this is not an argument against oxy's addictive qualities
nubbins`: people will choose filet mignon over a big mac, doesn't mean they're not picking up mcd's every day on the ride home
mircea_popescu: "i'm in love with X, manifested by the fact that whenever there's no naked swimsuit models splayed on my bedspread, i fuck X"
mircea_popescu: nubbins` so then are they fucking addicted to the big mac lawl.
adlai: there are also reasons outside pharmacology
nubbins`: ^ (let's see what tangent this spawns)
adlai wouldn't be surprised if many americans addicted to oxy, never took a "real drug" before
nubbins`: most of the addicts here are on pharms
adlai: it's the gateway pill!
mircea_popescu: "oxycodone : how the idiot generation is getting all the drawbacks of opioid dosing with none of the benefits"
mircea_popescu: so much of contemporary us is all about being incredibly stupid...
nubbins`: i mean, sure, if you're a musician
nubbins`: take up heroin, you'll make your best work
mircea_popescu: nubbins` and if you're not a musician NOBODY WILL HEAR ABOUT IT
mircea_popescu: still your best work, just, shitty & obscure. like you.
adlai: "I think the dark side of the moon is worth 100 dead kids" - maher
nubbins`: adlai incidentally i was in a buyer's club for salvia for a period of time
punkman: adlai: kratom's pretty interesting
mircea_popescu: shall there be no end of this "i smoke oregano the older kids sold to me as a mockery BECAUSE I ENJOY IT!"
nubbins`: srsly, lighting plants on fire and breathing the smoke? ;/
adlai has never tried verified salvia, the one time somebody brought over "salvia" it was more similar to expired mint leaves, and about as potent
nubbins`: "Kratom behaves as a μ-opioid receptor"
adlai: that's nothing, i had two in my white house
nubbins`: also incidentally, salvinorin is a kappa-opiod agonist
adlai: salvia is like an anti-opiate
punkman: nubbins`: cup of kratom tea, great substitute for coffee
adlai: you take one hit bro and you're not addicted anymore, man, you can do anything you want
nubbins`: punkman: hit of 10x salvia extract, great substitute for a ten-strip of owsley acid
adlai: how is a cup of a mild opiate a great substitute for a mild stim
adlai: too much logic in here
punkman: adlai, it's also a stimulant in small doses
nubbins`: iirc salvinorin is actually the most potent naturally-occuring drug
adlai: "TV is the first electric drug... somebody else's trip, plus advertisements" - mckenna
nubbins`: my cells are screaming in pain ironically
adlai: addiction is brilliant, for the plants
mircea_popescu: nubbins` they pretend like it's painful... but it's not.
adlai: your brain cells LOVE addiction
adlai: maybe a few don't, but nobody listens to them anymore
adlai: I guess nobody listens to you anymore! :P
nubbins`: i'd paint it more as intensely bizarre
nubbins`: it's wholly unlike anything else
mats_cd03: felt like needles on my skin and dying
nubbins`: i experienced complete synesthesia once on it
nubbins`: classical hallucinogens like lsd, psilo, etc will fuck with / change / alter your perceptions
nubbins`: "the carpet is moving" "the walls are bleeding" etc
nubbins`: salvia just drops you into another place entirely. you're not sitting on your bed looking at your bedside table, you're in the produce section of the grocery store watching people smell your colors
nubbins`: or you're a sheet of wallpaper in a strange room
nubbins`: i didn't grok "weird" until i tried salvia
mircea_popescu: takes a very impressionable sort. it's more you than it's it
punkman: was a long time, but I can attest to that
nubbins`: mircea_popescu i vehemently disagree
mircea_popescu: and for that money, you could probably have the same results if you just sat on your back and watched the clouds go by long enough
mats_cd03: ive never felt that fucked up on anything other than salvia
mats_cd03: and it will only be that one time in high school
nubbins`: mircea_popescu while i can't quantify my "impressionability", you're so far off-base here that i don't know where to begin
cazalla: i took 2 aspirin instead of 1 once upon a time
nubbins`: salvia puts you on fucking mars.
cazalla: i watched some guys have awful trips on salvia on youtube, you couldn't pay me to smoke that
punkman: can be hard to get the right dose
nubbins`: mircea_popescu the vaporization point of salvinorin is far higher than the temperature of the cherried, smouldering plant. you can quite easily "smoke it wrong".
nubbins`: correct method is to blast it with a butane torch while inhaling
mircea_popescu: some people get really elated watching theatre. heck, most 9yos spend the rest of the day doing weirdo dance move things after their first action movie experience.
nubbins`: otherwise, little to no effects, mostly uncomfortable physical feelings
nubbins`: if i'm parsing this correctly, you're equating a salvia high to a form of elevated excitement
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mircea_popescu: seems to me if high temperature is required the correct approach is not a butane torch but a thermostat hotplate.
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mircea_popescu: nubbins` im merely bringing the argument that an inclination to be impressed with what one sees and a tendency to get excited about what's directly seen is more a thing of youth than a thing of humanity.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: certainly, and there's no argument on that point.
mircea_popescu: in the same vein with "i won a million bucks in the reader's digest mailing, look!"
nubbins`: however, i'd taken relatively large doses of several different hallucinogens by the time i discovered salvia
mircea_popescu: well if there's no argument on that point, then there's no argument on the "watch the clouds" point either
nubbins`: and i knew precisely what hallucination vs impression/excitability was
nubbins`: and i'm telling you that about 20 seconds after you inhale a lungful of salvia smoke, everything you see and hear and feel around you is just GONE and replaced with something else.
mircea_popescu: "i know exactly how garza scams, having watched a number of his scams in trhe past, and i can assure you this one's legit"
nubbins`: but "o, i am physically in a different place"
nubbins`: or "o, it feels like my jaw has detached from my head and is wrapping tightly around my neck, coil after unending coil"
nubbins`: or "o, how long was i out? who broke all this glass?"
nubbins`: well i guess you don't need to smoke salvia
nubbins`: hyperbole aside, i actually cannot recommend that anyone try smoking salvia
nubbins`: i don't want the responsibility
mircea_popescu: "you forgot your panties in my bed" "but i don't wear panties ?" "oh shit... um..."
nubbins`: <+nubbins`> i didn't grok "weird" until i tried salvia
danielpbarron: felt like i became the hardwood floor i was lying on
punkman: someone sent mp some salvia :P
nubbins`: <+nubbins`> or you're a sheet of wallpaper in a strange room
nubbins`: he's a grown-up, he can buy his own ;p
nubbins`: i guess it's probably still legal in .ar
nubbins`: the concentrates are better / easier
nubbins`: plain leaf requires the inhalation of plumes of smoke
nubbins`: you need an impossibly small amount
nubbins`: 5 minutes later, wiping tears off their face
punkman: I got a bunch of now respectable people, drooling like idiots on video
nubbins`: *sluuurp* i've never had a buzz *sluuuurp* like this bef......
danielpbarron: salvia does kinda feel like an anti-opiate; it feels like the opposite of comfortable
nubbins`: if it grew in another part of the world they woulda called it soma
nubbins`: punkman massiva salivation and internal organs being pulled to one side
nubbins`: is generally how the come-up was for me
nubbins`: then generally the room/space/forest/whatever would fill with a heavy static buzz, upward from the ground
nubbins`: man. this was like ten years ago.
punkman: first time wtih 5x, I remember having a 20min conversation with my keyboard
nubbins`: it's burned into my fucking brain.
nubbins`: my first time with 5x i had a mental conversation in a language i didn't speak with an old woman
nubbins`: who happened to be standing in my bedroom. which was actually a farm.
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nubbins`: "Based on my own experiments using an adjustable thermocouple-controlled heat gun, I found that the ideal airstream temperature for vaporizing salvinorin A from dried leaves is approximately 277° C"
punkman: nubbins`: did you ever try a tincture? I always wondered how that worked
nubbins`: i suppose if i set it to broil it'd get however hot
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punkman: well maybe I'll give it a shot after a decade
punkman: *another decade, not keen on smoking salvia any time soon
nubbins`: it does not lend itself to addiction
nubbins`: i guess i should be binding books
nubbins`: we actually sold out on saturday and now there's like 25 on backorder
punkman sneaks off to order some mitragyna speciosa
assbot: Logged on 01-12-2014 13:09:41; mircea_popescu: so this is the drug of dog ?
punkman: nubbins`: pretty expensive
nubbins`: was surprised to see them still running
nubbins`: i think i bought some HBWR seeds from there
adlai: well erowid doesn't accept btc in the same way as those guys :)
nubbins`: oh hey, the EU banned 25I-NBOMe in september
adlai: this is a bit of an extreme example, and some people would claim that humans get something out of the relationship, ie, psychoactive plants are symbiotic, not parasites
nubbins`: fwiw i think psychoactives are more denfense mechanisms than anything
nubbins`: show me an animal (besides your dog) that eats weed plants
punkman: adlai, Michael Pollan et al?
adlai: my dog eats weed!?
nubbins`: adlai, only when you're not looking.
nubbins`: not too surprising from a creature that will greedily eat feces without compunction
adlai: he puked a turd a few days ago
adlai: to his credit, of all the dogs I've met, he's got the best grasp of newtonian mechanics
adlai: there is no fooling him
nubbins`: bit of a wash with non-newtonian tho hey?
adlai: yeah he was so confused after interstellar
nubbins`: well don't ever buy him any silly putty
punkman: I've seen dog enjoying beer as well
adlai: or rather, he's only looking at one *psychoactive* plant, and he's looking at it from the plant's perspective
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adlai: i'm also suspicious of any researcher who's named after his subjects' gametes
nubbins`: there are species that still imitate the appearance of their once-favoured pollinators, now long extinct
adlai: mircea_popescu: graphs on mpex have been wonky today
adlai: they don't all display on the main page, sometimes all do, sometimes one or two missing. sometimes they're missing from the asset page too.
adlai: right now S.WOL is missing
adlai: it has already been established that you sabotage your own uptime to test our attentiveness...
adlai: well, earlier mpoe was missing
adlai: first time I didn't mention it, second time I mentioned it but it was back by the time you asked "wonky how"
adlai: why would you have a "featured in" section with images of newspapers, but no links to the actual article!?
adlai refuses to link the site because they don't deserve the publicity of getting laughed at
adlai: suffice it to say that it's one of the zillion worthless "bitcoin startups"
mircea_popescu: or more likely, because the theme they ripped came with the icons.
adlai: "Tech, 24.87832294 BTC" awfully specific...
mircea_popescu: kinda no practical way to make these not relate to one another
adlai: !s definitive advertising network
adlai: mircea_popescu: why does it want an extra 35.56b
mircea_popescu: anyway, that was the van network, it was actuve for like a month.
adlai: "Please send exactly 0.01003556 BTC to 1btcaddressblabla"
adlai mutters something about the benefits of address reuse
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adlai: one address per customer makes it easier to tell which payment comes from which customer
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 50 @ 0.10745861 = 5.3729 BTC [+] {9}
mircea_popescu: it also happens to be the wrong thing. it makes it easier for ~everyone~, which is bad for user privacy. it requires more complexity, which costs money and opens the door to errors
adlai: and this can't happen with a shitty implementation (or user error) of discrimination based on dust-level change?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile using a single address has no cost associated, other than you know, one particular string of eight digits as opposed to another particular string of eight digits.
mircea_popescu: adlai anything can happen, but if you don't need a database you have less exposure to the things that can happen.
adlai: you don't need a database to associate pending payments to their dust amount?
adlai: what if shit happens between invoicing and payment?
adlai: server restarts for whatever reason, first thing it sees on startup is a payment with some amount of dust. how does it know which customer was issued that specific dust request, before the reboot?
mircea_popescu: you're aware that when you make an order you get sent an email. right ?
adlai doesn't have dementia, yet
mircea_popescu: so it looks if it sent a mail for that amount. if it does and the recipient correctly hashes to it, it sends it an email with teh code.
adlai: "recipient correctly hashes to it" missing piece of the puzzle
mircea_popescu: srsly nao, isn't it obvious by now, whenever immutability is achieved without a db, a hash was involved ?
adlai suspected something of the sort, but hasn't yet received his jump-to-conclusions mat
adlai: and when you're high enough, what's hashing if not a lookup in the database of MATHEMATICS ITSELF
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44225 @ 0.00035046 = 15.4991 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: anyway, as a general point : breaking the address <-> user relation is the most important thing to do for bitcoin's success on an individual level.
adlai: too many negatives there... you're saying that reusing addresses makes them more ambiguous?
nubbins`: it makes the use thereof more ambiguous
mircea_popescu: not reusing addresses is a bad idea ; reusing them makes them more ambiguous, which is good.
adlai: how? reuse ties two transactions together as having been signed by the same entity. this is OK for eg a business wanting to operate transparently, but less so for an individual wanting privacy
☟︎ adlai: Alice wants to pay Bob a bitcoin. She has one address with 2btc, so she creates a transaction sending bob one bitcoin, and one bitcoin change back to her own address. it's trivial to tell which bitcoin is alice's, and which is bob's.
adlai: scenario 2 - alice creates a transaction paying 1btc to one address, and 1btc to another. it's not trivial to tell (just from the transactions) which address belongs to whom.
adlai: lots more work for Eve
nubbins`: i think you are both using different concepts of "reuse"
adlai: nubbins`: possibly, i'm against concept reuse :P
mircea_popescu: "adlai, you are charged before this court with high crimes of having derped on the internet in a forbidden manner"
nubbins`: secnario 3: adlai and nubs each send a tx to 1mpexblahblah. they send their change wherever they like.
mircea_popescu: the key to escaping responsibility if being one of a group that did whatever. the way to implement this in bitcoin is through address reuse.
nubbins`: "but if all the movies go into the bin behind the movie return slot, how will they know who is returning their movies?"
adlai: "this address, which has previously been associated with you, made on of those transactions"
mircea_popescu: once this one use per address thing goes away, "associated" is a lolzword.
adlai: "you paid for your 1000btc porsche from it"
adlai: "kept the change, then paid address X later on"
adlai: ok, let's take the porsche then cuz it's evidently not yours!
nubbins`: adlai this is an argument against payout address reuse by individuals
nubbins`: mpex situation is accounts receivable address reuse
mircea_popescu: bitbet does the same thing, it reuses addresses liberally.
assbot: Logged on 01-12-2014 14:37:30; adlai: how? reuse ties two transactions together as having been signed by the same entity. this is OK for eg a business wanting to operate transparently, but less so for an individual wanting privacy
nubbins`: adlai i mean obviously buying $100k of btc from a government-approved exchange, immediately purchasing a porsche with it, keeping change in same address, buying H from silk road, keeping change in same address, buying mpex shares, etc etc
adlai: well it also gives transparency, as long as the people looking in trust that the business uses only those addresses
nubbins`: but does this really need to be stated? :S
nubbins` puts on a t-shirt with his home address and times when he will be away from his house, then goes to buy drugs w/ gold coins
adlai: don't forget to label your keys too
nubbins`: address reuse also thwarts phishing attempts
mircea_popescu: and in so doing provides the perfect pill against the hearn idiocy of "let's import heardbleed into btc
nubbins`: the forum is riddled with stories of scammers preying on group buys by PMing people saying "hey its me, adlai`, plz to send btc to 1Scamblahblah"
adlai: nubbins`: aka the idiot tax
adlai: as slimy as phish may be, it's a key part of our survival as a species
adlai actually heard the words "they said it in the factory tour, so it's probably true" a few days ago
nubbins`: key part of our survival as economic creatures
adlai won't look at those until they're on bloomberg (due to customer demand)
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jurov: !s oral from:mircea_popescu
adlai: it'd be kinda cool to work for nsa or whoever have !s over everything everybody has ever said
jurov: !s oral to:mircea_popescu << nanotube this should be implemented
mircea_popescu: nubbins` can you appreciate how damned rare it is, a few occurences over tens of thousands of LINES ?
adlai: probably the lizard schutzstaffel
punkman: adlai, anything interesting about that besided being lisp?
adlai: punkman: it seems to overlap, to some degree, the goals of the deeds project
punkman: adlai: how does it not destroy coins?
nubbins`: or i guess !s jacking off, more accurately
adlai: punkman: "Assuming each of these transactions includes a miner fee of 0.1 mbits (millibits), this would cost the proprietor 36.5 mbits a year."
mircea_popescu: adlai what i don't get is : some group is trying to do something punkman already did, and we're using.
nubbins`: if you want it spit instead of typed
mircea_popescu: why are you telling him about them ? tell them about him.
punkman: also, do you see any benefit in including previous metablock hash in next metablock?
adlai: how do you know I haven't told them about him?
adlai: availability. punkman is right here, pasting links cost nothing...
mircea_popescu: so either they're dumb or you've not told 'em and they're dumb.
mircea_popescu: yeah, but abusing availability is how availability goes away eh ?
punkman: while we're on the topic, I want to make a service that fetches a URL, hashes contents, and then bundles and notarizes those. thoughts?
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mircea_popescu: it'd be a great thing, page verification, but so many things can fuck it up. like, any page that includes the current time. a theme upgrade.
punkman: mircea_popescu: yeah but also other options. screenshots or WARC can also be done.
punkman: mircea_popescu: why's that a problem?
adlai: the page will never verify
mircea_popescu: yeah, it'll be rare that it verifies so impossible to put to practical use.
adlai: if the data you hash includes a timestamp
nubbins`: which rendering engine will you use?
punkman: the service would notarize the fact that on X date, the contents were something that hashes to Y hash
nubbins`: how about pages that generate different html based on browser capabilities?
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adlai: this could work better in tandem with something(s) that archives the page itself
mircea_popescu: there are incredibly many problems with this. kinda why html is so hated
punkman: I've considered fetching from multiple geographical locations
mircea_popescu: there's a reason the wayback machine is run as charity.
nubbins`: you're going to hash a session id?
adlai: what about contents?
nubbins`: you and i pull down a website right now using the same browser on the same hardware, we're getting different content
adlai: let the user (who requests hashing site content) specify somehow the part of the site they want hashed
nubbins`: let the user copy and paste it
adlai: then your hash confirms that this site contained a certain text
mircea_popescu: pretty much the only way to do this is with sworn testimony.
mircea_popescu: you basically have to ask someone to go there confirm your screenshot is correct.
punkman: nubbins`: preview before bundling, so you make sure it didn't need JS enabled when you only asked for HTML
nubbins`: let the user open element inspector, change the headline on aljazeera.com to say "adlai sniffs farts", hash that and send it off
nubbins`: it proves they ran the article
adlai: that wouldn't work unless I could change the document that punkman's bot fetched
mircea_popescu: adlai what if i select every 6th letter and it spells out "i did your mom"
nubbins`: punkman's bot fetched a document, right?
adlai: nubbins`: think what through? you can change whatever you want in your own browser, but you can't change the communication between bot and server without compromising somethnig
mircea_popescu: actually... sure you can, but let's not get into the entire mitm
http story.
adlai: don't kick the baby
nubbins`: i can also hash a html document by hand and send dust to it
nubbins`: "hey man the bot didn't pick up my file"
mircea_popescu: no, because something you can't verify isn't something, it's chtulhu.
adlai: no, that's "I created some file, and the bot isn't agreeing with it"
adlai: nubbins`: the bot's signature on a file isn't proof-of-existence, it's proof-of-that-server-said-this-to-me-at-that-time
adlai: back in basic training this one drill sergeant said some words that have echoed with me to this day... "If you ever start thinking something, just stop."
nubbins`: no, it's proof that the bot hashed a string of text and sent dust to the address
adlai: the whole point is that you trust that the bot only does that for text that it fetches from URLs
nubbins`: or are we taking the bot on blind faith now?
mircea_popescu: btw, it occurs to me, the one thing qntra would really need would be a resident business/finance analyst.
adlai: punkman: either nubbins` or I are kinda missing the point, can you explain it again pls?
nubbins`: so we trust that the bot fetches text from a website and doesn't alter it and hashes it and sends dust to the address
nubbins`: but there's no way to verify it because we'll never get the same hash
nubbins`: so we actually have to visit the site at the time the bot archives it
mike_c: limited, but I could handle something.
nubbins`: to verify with our own eyes that that's what the site said
adlai: which is why you give the bot a URL and an xpath (or regex, or whatever you like for specifying a part of the document)
nubbins`: and then make a note of it for future reference
adlai: so the bot doesn't say, "the entire document fetched from <url> hashed to <hash>"
adlai: it says, "the document fetched from <url> contained a section, located at <path>, hashing to <hash>"
mike_c: you looking for somebody to analyze btc businesses? that's a tough task with the limited information they usually provide.
punkman: you also get the contents the bot fetched so you can download for safekeeping
mircea_popescu: mike_c lemme value proposition you : if you're going to work now and again, it may work much better to be a qntra star analyst and get shares for that work, than sorta be stuck with a solo blog.
adlai: that's working in tandem with an archive, with crowdsourced archives :)
mike_c: yes, but qntra posts don't have graphs
mike_c: maybe i could fix that.
mircea_popescu: tandacoin: i have read logs of bitcoin assets but i'm not sure how to get word of trust << o.O the cuteliest!
gribble: tandacoin was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 15 hours, 20 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <tandacoin> you guys have no idea how to do business or journalism, im not going to waste my time with u
mike_c: this is perhaps a good idea. i gotta run for a bit. but I think you're right.
adlai: nubbins`: "you can't not communicate". that would say that either the owner of that domain is a liar, and said at that time that he hates newfies, or that bot has become unreliable.
adlai: how is journo formed??? how page get views?
nubbins`: i pronounce u as "oo" in my head
adlai imagines that the author is french and forgot the t
mircea_popescu: Yoco sounds like a future artist / sextape protagonist
mircea_popescu: cazalla: tandacoin, stick around, i need to finish current article and then head off to a pokemon meetup << bwahahaha
mircea_popescu: im saving this one in a special compartment, it's too good.
mircea_popescu: no but imagine, perez hilton comes here to get my take on shoes
mircea_popescu: "tandacoin:we get 4k pageviews a day how muh do you get?" ahahah this was so great.
adlai: that awkward moment when you say bye, then realize that your friend is also going to pokemon
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mircea_popescu: fwiw : qntra.net us alexa rank 165,888 ; altcoinpress.com us alexa rank 227,200. (larger is worse).
mircea_popescu: well yeah, about on par with random derp calling ourpages();
mircea_popescu: "And indeed, the output of the CPRNG is very biased. The output of each step of the CPRNG is a number from 0 to 25; you would expect successive outputs to be the same around one time in 26, but my experiments show that the frequency is closer to 1/22.5." <<< shcneier made a cypher. heh.
adlai: how is alexa formed? how does blog get viewy?
kakobrekla: so qntra is actually doing worse idiotwise than that other thing
adlai: what ever happened to backroom deals with ISPs
adlai: they need to learn from nielsen
adlai: they don't have to cost money if you can dress it up as a service you sell the ISP
adlai: for example: you've got the data, we've got the scientists
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03: i feel this encourages an echo chamber as it continues << this is prolly true. on the other hand, most of the intelligent people that were ever going to hear about bitcoin have by now.
adlai has met a few intelligent people who have heard about bitcoin but are taking their time learning about it
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: the general discussion here also changed a lot over last years << i'd loive to hear your take on that ?
adlai: it seems that the general cycle is that these people hear about bitcoin, learn a tiny bit about it, and park it in the back of their mind for a few years
mircea_popescu: "Name Most Important. But it was quite unexpected that the name of the coin does play the most important role over the long term, since it’s the only one thing from the five features, mentioned above, that cannot be changed, or significantly improved."
adlai: I guess tacking an X on the end is an insignificant improvement?
mircea_popescu: "So let’s try to build a rating of the cryptocurrency names of real coins, based on various criteria: Brightness. Seriousness of name (as a currency, the name shouldn’t be fun). Whether the name is conceptual (makes sense, dedicated to ideas), or not."
mircea_popescu: so bizarre this. deconstructing it, pretty much the only takeaway is whoa, check out the puritans!
mircea_popescu: some esl kid on the fringe of culture nevertheless believes that "as a Category", X "shouldn't be fun".
mircea_popescu: "Does it have money or financial mental associations, or even slight links, for example, Luckycoin is for luck, that is necessary to become rich, Mooncoin means Moon, and the Moon drives ocean waters and financial flows (as assumed in financial astrology) plus ‘to the moon’ means also price growing process… And MEOW, or BBQ coins have no these associations at all)."
adlai: apodiction breeds apodidaction
mircea_popescu: "Dick Valis. Dick is an altcoin enthusiast and student of philosophy. He enjoys writing about cryptocurrencies and spending his time exploring reality and searching for truth."
adlai: that's philip k dick
adlai: apo+dictic = away from speech, unquestionable
adlai: autodidact = self-taught
adlai: cross the two and you get an unteachable idiot
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: the undoing of C.. due to its memory unsafety they must decide to either bloat the kernel or suffer the overhead << entirely spurious argument advanced << no but address the actual point rather than the idiots putting it forth.
jurov: ;;isup deeds.bitcoin-assets.com
gribble: deeds.bitcoin-assets.com is down
mircea_popescu: adlai speaking of which, i wonder how many people who use "i have no words" in their apology realise the irony.
adlai: apodidaction = away/apart from the process of teaching
mircea_popescu: moar like "taking away from teaching". apodidactic, "which is away"
adlai is not enough of a classics scholar to debate this much further
adlai: let's just settle on quidquid latine dictum sitis, altus sonator
mircea_popescu: they didn't use to teach monkeys and donkeys letters back then, for one.
kakobrekla: i'd loive to hear your take on that ? < well my take is that i used to be one of the smart people on the chan and now im one of the stupid
adlai: so THAT'S why you brought me in here!
mircea_popescu: you;'re smart, the problem with you is that you don't know much.
adlai: iirc it was Dennett who said that ignorance should not be seen as an insult
mircea_popescu: well... someone fishing for insults in b-a would get well fed in short order. but no, it's not an insult.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: no you don't understand unless it's a perfect solution it's entirely worthless << lawl.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform keeping the old MIT spirit alive. "what's the most important thing to remember about this great achievement ?"
adlai: my problem with me is that I don't know what I want to learn next
adlai: so I flutter about, dabbling in this and that, and never really going anywhere
mircea_popescu: the only way a good intellect can be used is through achieving excellent depth in one field, that can then be leveraged in all fields. otherwise, if you never anchor, it'll just mush around
adlai: at least you've got strength going for ya
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64648 @ 0.00035361 = 22.8602 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: <asciilifeform> if you are pwned while using 'brainwallets', simply shows that your brain is defective < no need to test this hypothesis the result is known << all brains are defective, is the thing.
adlai: mircea_popescu: "excellent depth in one field" << what's yours?
mircea_popescu: "Les deux pieds contre la mureille et la tete sous le robinet." << :D
adlai: that's like "i work with computers"
adlai: excellent depth in physics can mean so many totally different things
mircea_popescu: yeah but it doesn't actually matter which specifically it means.
adlai doesn't see "work with computers" as a good candidate for excellent depth
mircea_popescu: no, but any of the toipics that often come up here could make it up.
adlai: seems more of a tool for digging into other fields, whether a "hard" science, or just making impossible things hard in other endeavors
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83550 @ 0.0003445 = 28.783 BTC [-] {7}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: the beautifully dark cream-your-pants future of 'shall be delivered' is not attainable until folks learn to remember serious keys (yes, remember. with head.) << this is like saying the frankish empire has to wait for people who can make swords. by hand!
mircea_popescu: no it doesn't. charlemagne wasn't a blacksmith, and a thousand years later the orleans that WAS a blacksmith made a shitty king
adlai: well, any advice on how to pick a field is welcome. picture a highschool dropout with centipede's dilemma about where to start fixing his ignorance
jurov: asciilifeform's argument fits better when it's about wielding the sword, not forging it
adlai: this is an answer on several levels... music plays a rather large role in my life, although the ratio of consumption/production has been too high lately;
adlai: and the second level - this is a song about a lawnmower who gets pushed to do fancier things, but he just likes pushing a lawnmower around
mircea_popescu: has nothing to do with fancy. contrary to what the uncultured imagine, there's nothing fancy about the products of the spirit.
mircea_popescu: no fancier than dung, at any rate, and the results of the same biology.
adlai has been thinking a lot lately about generative music
adlai: most music (increasingly so for more popular music) is incredibly formulaic
mircea_popescu: adlai go read say 1700s treatises on music for a while. either french, italian or german, whatever you speak.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: the 'do-ocracy' does what it does best: does. << haha buncha progres.
adlai: all this talk is silly, though. the simple answer is to study math, and the real problem is lazyness, rack of dishiprin, etc
adlai: math is totally a thing!
adlai: math is more of a thing than most other things
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, other users of 'opera' - which one do you use? the 1990s close-source turd? or the 'new, impr0v3d' idiocy that uses 'webkit' (chrome) rendering engine ? <<< they only moved to webkit last year, version 15 or something. afaik the last usable versions are 10 something.
mircea_popescu: very much like bitcoin stuff, there's a 7-10 space where the thing's useful.
empyex: jurov: Proxies: mpex.ws mpex.biz mpex.co mpex.bz mpex.coinbr.com Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91
empyex: jurov: MPEx-Status: mpex.bz (97 milliseconds), mpex.biz (98 milliseconds), mpex.ws (116 milliseconds), mpex.co (217 milliseconds), mpex.coinbr.com (451 milliseconds)
empyex: jurov: Health-Indicators: Homepage: √ MK Depth JSON: √ VWAP JSON: √
adlai slinks off to splash about in the depthless swamp of website construction
jurov: apparently mpex.ws can't be resolved
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16097 @ 0.00035396 = 5.6977 BTC [+]
jurov: at least from somewhere
jurov: i never seriously used it yet
assbot: Logged on 30-11-2014 20:23:56; nubbins`: but FYI, i'm negotiating a price with a buyer now for my genesis block newspaper (the times jan 3 2009)
jurov: mytrezor.com under linux got broken so i filed it under "fuck that"
jurov: dunno if there's bip32/trezor support in any noobish standalone client.. last i checked electrum was under development
mircea_popescu: Headlines Tesla Stock To Lift Off After Battery Rechargeat Forbes(Mon 1:05AM EST) Demand For Tesla Is Not The Problem, Switching The World To Electric Cars Isat Forbes(Sun, Nov 30) TeslaInvestor's Business Daily(Fri, Nov 28) NVIDIA wants to increase its presence in big data through TeslaMarket Realist(Fri, Nov 28) Tesla Is On The Right Track To Doubleat Forbes(Fri, Nov 28)
mats_cd03: seems two days ago musk announced tesla "will not initiate patent lawsuits against anyone who, in good faith, wants to use our technology."
mircea_popescu: cazalla: there is talk of raising it due to budget shortfalls despite the government that brough it in promising the legislation would never allow for such a thing to occur << typical of ALL TAXES EVER
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski: decimation show me a country with no income tax that's not in affrica <<< easy, that.
mircea_popescu: argentines are striking against the INTRODUCTION of income tax.
mircea_popescu: the arabs have an equivalent of the serenissima tax tho
pete_dushenski: so argentina has never in its long history had an income tax eh?
nubbins`: wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit, says 9-35%
pete_dushenski: and after seeing what it's done to the rest of the world, they kinda have to strike
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski lulzy the confused reaction of a social media dude taken out of the eco chamber.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43700 @ 0.000354 = 15.4698 BTC [+] {2}
pete_dushenski: right. just a new update and all that goodness is out the window or what?
adlai: !s TSLA from:adlai
ben_vulpes: re qntra advertising: advertising is downright wacky. the numbers say "don't do it" and yet people are constantly doing it.
adlai: fb's "Promoted Stories" are but a step towarsd the inevitable endgame: kickbacks for product placement in casual conversation
adlai: we've got quite a bit of escalation to go in this arms race
nubbins`: was lacoste's inevitable endgame paying people to wear shirts with little alligators?
adlai: they "pay" them by letting them associate with the brande
mircea_popescu: adlai anyway, it's bnot going to be run as an actual market, because cattle. so it will be run as a star market.
mircea_popescu: "tell your friends about budweiser's greatness in narrative form for a chance to win a can of beer"
adlai: I doubt people would be proud of such kickbacks, but shame doesn't stop people from peddling shit from carts in malls all over the world... this is just a few steps further, a few degrees further on the frog-boiling scale
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16872 @ 0.0003471 = 5.8563 BTC [-]
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 380.02, Best ask: 380.87, Bid-ask spread: 0.85000, Last trade: 380.86, 24 hour volume: 5838.62655680, 24 hour low: 373.03, 24 hour high: 382.31, 24 hour vwap: 377.722924571
PinkPosixPXE: 17:31 #bitcoin-assets: <+ben_vulpes> PinkPosixPXE's downright neat <<< Thanks! You are awesome as well, and thank you for the rating! :) I'm really glad my contribution helped out, happy to help any time :)
pete_dushenski: maybe in the sense that brains aren't rational computers of ev ?
mod6: ;;rated PinkPosixPXE
gribble: You rated user PinkPosixPXE on Wed Oct 22 13:06:41 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: Helped me out testing ben_vulpes install script..
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user PinkPosixPXE has changed from 1 to 2.
mod6: No problem. Thank /you/ for putting that together. :]
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform to the extent that the vast majority fall into one of those two camps, maybe that'd be the defective element
adlai: brains are definitely shitty entropy sources
adlai: but they can work fairly well for storing it
kakobrekla: if you take out convenience factor completely theres is plenty of solutions
adlai: you know it's a srs display when chickens and dogs join in
adlai: uhoh, site affinity for reddit.com is 51.2x!
kakobrekla: meh reddit... 'reddit police' ddosing bbet, 'reddit bitcoin' retweeting bitbet tweets at same time
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user mod6 has been recorded.
kakobrekla: love it or hate it ? make up your goddamn mind.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user ben_vulpes has been recorded.
mod6: PinkPosixPXE: tyvm!
rithm: ;;ratingsystem getrating mod6
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask mod6!~mod6@unaffiliated/mod6 . User mod6, rated since Mon Oct 10 16:26:38 2011. Cumulative rating 46, from 25 total ratings. Received ratings: 25 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 28 positive, 0 negative. Details:
http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mod6 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35300 @ 0.00035408 = 12.499 BTC [+]
rithm: ;;rate mod6 1 Deserves a token rating even though bitcoin foundation sucks
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mod6 has been recorded.
kakobrekla: oh this is gonna cause so much confusion.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1580 @ 0.001245 = 1.9671 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: i see, two soldiers from opposing foundation forces find themselfs in a pitch dark room.
kakobrekla: one hears something moving, points the gun in the dark and asks "who are you? are you with the bitcoin foundation?"
kakobrekla: then they proceed to shooting each other.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74666 @ 0.00033987 = 25.3767 BTC [-] {2}
adlai: kakobrekla: cf "allied athiest alliance"
adlai: there are probably better ways to watch that clip/episode, but I definitely can't send you a url to an external HD that isn't even connected
adlai: tl;dw: three competing organizations wage endless war in the distant future: Allied Atheist Alliance, United Atheist Alliance, and Unified Atheist League
kakobrekla: aha but srsly i dont think that rithm thinks what he thinks he thinks
gribble: User 'rithm', with keyid None, fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1FmiRARq96daxufSYKQM6SHDjwagV1J5XN, registered on Tue Apr 1 16:20:33 2014, last authed on Wed Jul 16 11:52:05 2014.
http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=rithm . Currently not authenticated.
adlai: Dawkins... thought the future war among the different atheists sects, which he felt had "a certain amount of truth in it"... reminded him of the Judean People's Front and the People's Front of Judea
gribble: User 'jcpham', with keyid C71FB5ED6ACE04AF, fingerprint F7299BD73879E866613EAB24C71FB5ED6ACE04AF, and bitcoin address 157CrafPv8oGC7f5vVFuLnE1BgDYUND4hq, registered on Fri Nov 11 12:21:29 2011, last authed on Mon Dec 1 10:26:41 2014.
http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=jcpham . Currently authenticated from hostmask rithm!~rithm@unaffiliated/rithm . CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick.
mod6: ah. ok. rithm, you do realize that gavin & the power-rangers derpation thingy is different than ours tho right?
kakobrekla: <rithm> ;;rate mod6 1 Deserves a token rating even though bitcoin foundation sucks
kakobrekla: <rithm> ;;rate mod6 1 Deserves a token rating even though bitcoin foundation rocks
rithm: ;;rate mod6 1 Deserves a token rating even though bitcoin foundation rocks the cocks
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mod6 has changed from 1 to 1.
rithm: this will never work because it's all plain text
rithm: at least use bottstrap
kakobrekla: idk what easier to remember the raw ip or that url
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 915 @ 0.00124945 = 1.1432 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65700 @ 0.00033897 = 22.2703 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 800 @ 0.00126967 = 1.0157 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22549 @ 0.00034725 = 7.8301 BTC [+]
adlai: global allied bitcoin allianca!
adlai: ;;isup deeds.bitcoin-assets.com
gribble: deeds.bitcoin-assets.com is down
adlai: hang around bitcoin for long enough and you realized that around these parts, "enhance" is pronounced "hash"
adlai: best part is when they fucking rotate the picture, I mean... did nobody in the film crew ever hold a fucking camera in their life!?
adlai: 1:10 in the linked video
adlai: just... just watch it
rithm: therealbitcoin.org is easy enough to remember
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00033858 = 5.248 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform << elaborate plz << what's to say really ? brains aren't made for thinking specifically anymore than html is made for the web. they just got pressed into this service.
mircea_popescu: it's a perpetual and uphill battle to keep them more or less in line with logic
mircea_popescu: and that's taking a very lax view of "line" and "logic".
mircea_popescu: according to whatever indexes they keep, qntra is above average is all.
mircea_popescu: like, if out of the 1bn people on the internet 100mn have kids, and out of the 1000 people on qntra 103 have kids.
adlai: it's an index relative to the internet average
mike_c: yes, and it's 97% certain to be within +- %50 of what it says.
mike_c: 11% to 60% of the time
mircea_popescu: anyway, the "no black people" thing was funny. i guess cazalla's putting something in the water.
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> love it or hate it ? make up your goddamn mind. << what mind ?
mike_c: looks like volume is in the gutter though.
assbot: BitBet - icbit.se exchange will shut down in 2014 :: 0.06 B (31%) on Yes, 0.14 B (69%) on No | closed 1 month 1 day ago ... (
http://bit.ly/1FHZxVg )
mircea_popescu: <adlai> oooh why was I never pointed at << no actually i think you were, like eartly on
BingoBoingo: Is the new scamzor MO, "STFU we outlasted the BitBet Bet?"
mircea_popescu: and ima put a hold on it because srsly it does not seem to exist anymore.
mike_c: i am glad i'm not a mod. "out of business" is not so clear in btc-land..
mircea_popescu: mike_c fortunately total interest is like a quarter, so nobodu's losing any sleep over it.
assbot: BitBet - icbit.se exchange will shut down in 2014 :: 0.06 B (31%) on Yes, 0.14 B (69%) on No | closed 1 month 1 day ago ... (
http://bit.ly/1FHZVTz )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83434 @ 0.00035558 = 29.6675 BTC [+] {3}
adlai: mpex chart dead again
adlai: aha, it's only dead on .ws
kakobrekla: too much shit when you google their name so they switch my guess
dub: ignant mafakas in dis #ferguson
kakobrekla waits the day bitcoin foundation puts out a warning about bitcoin foundation
mircea_popescu: "Over the past few days we have noticed a significant uptick in complaints directed at our help desk about a fraud being perpetrated upon innocent Bitcoin users."
mircea_popescu: where did they find a pretentious noob blogger to write this typical sort of pretentious noob blogger shit
rithm: favorite quote so far: "That's enough money to create a small industry of people whose sole work is just sort of talking about bitcoin all the time."
adlai: if a scammer runs, but nobody in #bitcoin-assets lost money... did it even happen?
rithm: losing time might be more precious than time in some circumstances
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54250 @ 0.00034363 = 18.6419 BTC [-] {3}
adlai: this is true, it's quite distressing, this lack of fungibility... I can pay somebody else for their time, but I can't buy mine back
adlai: although I guess retiring is a form of buying your own time
mircea_popescu: adlai you ever heard of patrick harnett's bitcoin bank etc ?
rithm: i would regret allowing myself to listen to the scammer in the first place, more than the money, it's a gut feeling thing
adlai: the name rings a bell, I'm sure google can deliver, if it's really relevant that I know this particular scam (it was a scam, no?)
rithm: the misprioritized time would be devastating
mircea_popescu: kept making all sorts of idiotic claims, giving "ratings" and the whole shebang
rithm: did the starfish pull an exit scam also
mircea_popescu: then i lent him some btc he couldn't repay, specifically for this purpose
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, you lent like 200 btc, right ?
mircea_popescu: kinda shocking for the idiots at the time, because before i did that, everyone just schmoozied with the scamers
cazalla: does qntra's november report not verify? is that what davout is saying in his comment? if someone can check, would appreciate
mircea_popescu: as in, you know, rather than book a loss, pretend like it never happened. because if you don't agree it happened, it didn't really happen.
rithm: if you didn't blink an eye and give it two seconds thought, who is to say it happened
adlai has all kinds of things to say about giving 200btc to such a person, although they're founded on initial impressions so he'll keep them to himself
rithm: unless you spent a lot time cementing it into your relaity
mircea_popescu: cazalla : the problem is that wordpress fucks up the dashes
mircea_popescu: money well spent, because it resolved a particular set of otherwise very pernicious claims.
adlai: the guy welshed for $500!?
adlai: ok, let's say you weren't the only mark... still
rithm: mircea_popescu did better at "more than a car, less than a house" than me
rithm: unsecured loans are not a good idea, people.
mircea_popescu: adlai not what it was. more of a "couldn't really refuse" sort of thing.
assbot: Logged on 27-11-2014 12:56:26; nubbins`: mircea_popescu:well if he did nubbins has some 'splainin' to do lol. <<< nope, in fact, i am also mildly perturbed by the fact that i mailed over $4,000 of goods to the guy and we didn't even get a couple measly pictures out of it
mircea_popescu: yeah, it cost me some money, but it also established a point. to my benefit, and of course to anyone else's who's paying attention, but that's a freebie for small fish.
cazalla: ;;later tell davout fixed formatting, you should be able to verify now, ty for headsup
mircea_popescu: also kinda why any kind of non-regressive taxation is bullshit.
mircea_popescu: the small players always benefit more from the big players than the reverse.
cazalla: don't go putting my name in the logs lol
adlai: too late, it's there alongside robby
mircea_popescu: i'm sure anyone who cares enough could as well have folloed the gpg sig ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, who here wants to go to the next porn conference ?
rithm: me me me me i like pron
rithm: i'm bringing weed, crown royal, lots of blow, and not one change of clothes
cazalla: step foot on american soil? i'm good
BingoBoingo: Looks like a job for asciilifeform or ben_vulpes
rithm: i have people i can stay with in vegas
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm closer than alf further than vulpes
mircea_popescu: anyway, i need someone to go there and bring me a coupla affiliate managers.
rithm: serp has struck again
rithm: and scooped the bitcoin world
rithm: apparently circle has something called circle red, they've just emailed people, and the checkout allows bitcoin
rithm: also coinbase lists "square" as a customer
rithm: so you just got scooped
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21530 @ 0.00033358 = 7.182 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: Happens, dunno how much news square can be though. Aren't they the derpy tablet dongle company?
rithm: something like that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61195 @ 0.00033254 = 20.3498 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2006 @ 0.00115549 = 2.3179 BTC [-] {14}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34700 @ 0.00034428 = 11.9465 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1399 @ 0.00115 = 1.6089 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84700 @ 0.00033097 = 28.0332 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1105 @ 0.00115 = 1.2708 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20942 @ 0.00035277 = 7.3877 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "In investigating these claims, BitBeat viewed a bitcoin address at Blockchain.info that was cryptographically proven to belong to GAW and in which almost 28,000 bitcoins"
BingoBoingo: Well, note that they express reservation on the point where GAW never showed them any "virgin" coinbase transactions
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23536 @ 0.00033806 = 7.9566 BTC [-]
cazalla: "single Bitmain order to GAW worth 5 petahashes per second." <<< he twisted this as their latest order, it was their first because hey, gotta scam the funds first
cazalla: 28k bitcoin yet can't point out a single block they've mined
mircea_popescu: 5ph = ~ 10k antiminers. they never made that many did they ?
rithm: lol at what cazalla said
rithm: generation address pretty easy to prove for a mining op
rithm: idk anything about it, I'm scamfree since 2012
rithm: new coin generation not something to be obscured though, that's for sure for a mining op, huge red flag
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I dunno much other than they seem to ship something.
rithm: but iff all they have is a bunch of miners that doesn't imply new coin generation or a pool
rithm: just means they have a lot of miners mining away
rithm: obv you'd want to run your own block source and clustered hashing for failover purposes
rithm: or new coin generation
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58200 @ 0.00034106 = 19.8497 BTC [+]
gribble: diana_coman was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 7 weeks, 5 days, 6 hours, 54 minutes, and 28 seconds ago: <diana_coman> I'm to blame for Sweete__ being here, since he pm-ed me about trading and I asked him why wasn't he in here if he was a trader
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021745 B (Total: 475.53 B). Delta: 0.52 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000195 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.000195 / 0.000195 / 0.000195 (4601 shares, 0.90 BTC)
nubbins`: so apparently the paper that we're using for the book covers is being discontinued
nubbins`: if any of you live in major metropolitan centres in north america and want something in return for your time, pm me
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52741 @ 0.00033646 = 17.7452 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo omfg check this out, pravda lying about what the un said.
mircea_popescu: why history repeats itself so much! boring history! bad history!
nubbins`: boston, seattle, annapolis on the hunt already ;p
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, it's why we needed a qntra to serve as the billboard next to the city's gates. Gotta put indictments somewhere.
BingoBoingo: But... can only trust the pravda so much. Prolly from when Obama's great grandfather was sent on a secret mission to assasinate the great reptillian
mircea_popescu: "DAWKINS: No, never. But suppose an intermediate species hadn’t gone extinct. Suppose relict populations are discovered in the African jungle. In order to deny chimpanzees rights, you would have to set up apartheid-like courts to decide whether this individual counts as human. Because it’s a continuum. As a practical matter, the intermediates haven’t survived, so it’s possible to give humans basic rights and gi
mircea_popescu: ve chimpanzees none. But I think it’s a worthwhile argument."
mircea_popescu: it's a worhtwhile argument that the only reason blacks aren't chimps is that some middle links died off ?!
mircea_popescu: dude this playboy interview is one of the stupidest things i ever read.
gernika: Anyone who has travelled to Buenos Aires have some recommendations for getting pesos once there? I assume the airport kiosks are total ripoff.
danielpbarron: how convenient, the intermediate species don't exist... but the Bible is still wrong because science!
gernika: mircea_popescu: Calle Florida. Got it. Thanks.
undata: danielpbarron: the bible can be wrong all on its own, though science can help
undata: As far as *why* there aren't intermediate species left, there are plenty of possible answers. One of them might be that early human populations were into cracking competing skulls
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gernika: danielpbarron: What are the criteria for something to be an intermediate species? How long does something have to have been around and how large does the population have to be for it to be classified as such? Seems like for populations that were at no time higher than the hundreds of thousands it would be very unlikely to expect to find fossils. Google tells me the peak population of neanderthals