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ben_vulpes: Adlai, asciilifeform: are the commercial lisps worth paying for?
ben_vulpes: trinque and i were wondering about their CLIM implementations, and if documentation etc was better on the closed-source side of the world
Adlai: who needs documentation when you have live support
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00031613 = 2.4026 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20400 @ 0.00031125 = 6.3495 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00030903 = 1.1434 BTC [-]
decimation: re: gold standard doesn't work < yeah this might be the case, but nearly all of the criticisms offered would apply equally to bitcoin
decimation: asciilifeform: maybe one solution to the 'bastard transmitter' problem would be to make an irc/gossip/udp net that requires proof of wot membership to join
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21425 @ 0.00031002 = 6.6422 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35900 @ 0.00030874 = 11.0838 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00031006 = 6.7283 BTC [+]
Adlai: i've heard they're great for hammering in nails
Adlai: you aren't dreaming big enough
Adlai: both are too heavy to wield manually but electron microscopes, unlike the boeing, lack self-propulsion
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21217 @ 0.00031018 = 6.5811 BTC [+] {2}
decimation: asciilifeform: forgive my ignorance, but there's a single valid path through the blockchain
decimation: why does every node need to reverify it?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00030846 = 5.4289 BTC [-]
decimation: yeah, but there's a difference between "here's our history; you verify" and "pls to give transactions"
mod6: I should have put in a line maybe about "encouraged to read the submitted emails" or something, but perhaps I just thought it was implied.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> our ver. of bdb actually lacks the set_memory_max << OH. ok did not realize that. damn. well, i'll mention this fact in next months letter. should hvae asked.
decimation: asciilifeform: I'm using the auto.sh build
mod6: well, if one starts with the v0.5.3.1-RELEASE built with auto.sh, then BDB 4.8.30 will be built with it.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> not 100% certain that we're all using same bdb... << but anyway, yeah, I'll check anyway. there is a chance that we could be looking at two seperate versions.
mod6: yeah, its not in there.
decimation: asciilifeform: I see lots of std::vector and associated bs in your igprof stuff
decimation: do you think it's possible that C++ is 'helpfully' holding on to allocated memory?
decimation: I guess I'm saying: did satoshi fail to clean up clutter as he went along?
decimation: right. and one thing that infuriates me about std::vector - for instance - is that it's not exactly clear when free() is gonna be called
decimation: stroustrup gonna be dug up and hung in effigy?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22550 @ 0.00030846 = 6.9558 BTC [-]
decimation: yeah but folks don't realize the crime yet, apparently
decimation: heh yeah when reading that bastards section I ran into "CCriticalSection" stuff - which apparently all came from mfc shit
decimation: well, because what do they have? excel?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56815 @ 0.00030835 = 17.5189 BTC [-] {2}
decimation: it could be rebuilt, but not without the resources of a rich prince
decimation: what ever came of that startup that is re-writing bitcoin in go or whatever
assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 20:00:50; mircea_popescu: "TLDR I ran afl-fuzz against libbitcoinconsensus to discover interesting Bitcoin scripts and used them to search for Bitcoin reimplementations vulnerable to forking. This discovered two bugs in btcd by Conformal. See the bitcoinconsensus_testcases repository for the discovered Bitcoin scripts."
assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 06:54:48; mircea_popescu: the idea here being that people wouldn't pay for a sane os for the same reason they won't payfor the sun.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35989 @ 0.00030647 = 11.0295 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 06:59:41; mircea_popescu: people do buy chemicals, but they don't buy "chemistry"
assbot: Logged on 22-05-2015 06:59:49; mircea_popescu: if th efield had needed such a thing, it wouldn't exist at all.
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah it's true that 'selling os' is a terrible business
decimation: some people like to live in a civilized place, as opposed to barbarous
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: yea pretty much usg cardano, just didn't know if it had been discussed. now it has.
decimation: asciilifeform: note that usg doesn't really need to be 'good', it's just that there's no credible alternative
Vexual: none of this shoehorn a shit onto your shit
Vexual: so you might tread thru shit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.0003118 = 1.5902 BTC [+]
Vexual: i assumed vault was just a word that presumed they were better than apple at storing nudes, so i didnt look
mircea_popescu: <Adlai> who needs documentation when you have live support << what's this, camwhoring for geeks ?
Vexual: sd card is the only hole on a google netbook?
mircea_popescu: country of fat stupid people with government issued money. of course everything will end up marketing.
mircea_popescu: the entire french language is, in the us, a sort of marketing ploy.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90856 @ 0.0003196 = 29.0376 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: bwahahaha wait, there's derps actually writing on tardstalk like all seriously and naively and whatnot ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40750 @ 0.0003293 = 13.419 BTC [+]
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mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149352 on one hand, they're talking to a crowd, and for that particular crowd talking sense means you lose. why the fuck they imagine against plainly obvious reality that it still matters or can help them is besides the point here. on the other hand, they don't want to help. formulating cogent criticisms is helping.
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 01-06-2015 02:54:08; asciilifeform: imho one of the most perplexing things about 'anti-bitcoin' agitators is how they all - to a man - miss the most cogent argument against bitcoin: it being, how it is implemented
assbot: Logged on 01-06-2015 02:55:51; asciilifeform: most folks have had some (albeit unconscious) encounters with it - riding airplanes, etc
assbot: Logged on 01-06-2015 02:59:32; decimation: certainly not by hobbyists
decimation: that's a point, but there's a world of difference between a flying bicycle and a fancy jet
mircea_popescu: "In a short notice published last month, the National Institute for Standards and Technology (NIST) announced it was retiring a number of Federal Information Processing Standards (FIPS) because they were obsolete. Notably, that list of retirements includes FIPS-185."
mircea_popescu: and someone somewhere still naively proposes the nist be taken as anything but the goskomstat ?
mircea_popescu: decimation the jet is merely a derivative work off hobbysts stuff
decimation: in fact if you would have zapped an f-35 back to kitty hawk, nc the wright brothers would have just given up
decimation: 'derivative' in the sense that the wright flyer had almost zero in common, other than they were both flying things
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45900 @ 0.00033067 = 15.1778 BTC [+] {2}
decimation: the wright brothers almost immediately began selling to usg
hanbot: hey mod6 well done on the foundation report. clearly & intelligibly conveys the ample and useful work being done.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50232 @ 0.00033596 = 16.8759 BTC [+] {2}
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.00034015 = 7.1432 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40900 @ 0.00034015 = 13.9121 BTC [+]
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liquidassets: ;;rate BingoBoingo leader of men, helped me get started with gpg, knows how to write a headline!
gribble: Error: 'leader' is not a valid integer.
liquidassets: ;;rate BingoBoingo 1 leader of men, helped me get started with gpg, knows how to write a headline!
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58900 @ 0.00033992 = 20.0213 BTC [+] {2}
liquidassets: chalbersma mining is foreign to me, do you make the nodes? how do you become a client?
chalbersma: So with P2Pool the idea is that you will run a mining "pool" that share's it's load with other mining "pools". There a cryptographic chain keeping track of work so that you can't cheat or mine a block and then keep it. So in the end instead of having one centralized plae where all the mining work is kept you get the benefits of the pool with bitcoin like decentralization.
chalbersma: Think is I don't think that anybody is actually using ATC P2Pool implementation anymore. The contract for the build had 1 month of runtime and then MP and Ragnar I believe ran the p2pool node for a while. But ATC didn't seem to catch on that much.
chalbersma: Yes at the time they had a big problem with the network effect. Difficulty had skyrocketed because of some market movement that made it (temporarily) more profitable to mine than bitcoin.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33674 @ 0.00034015 = 11.4542 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Well, it was just the difficulty cycling. For a while it was manageable, but eventually swings were uncontainable
liquidassets: thanks for sharing, so what was unique about the fork, just the interface?
BingoBoingo: Oh it was pretty much just bitcoin with some different numbers
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.0003333 = 2.8664 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00034015 = 1.9048 BTC [+]
punkman: asciilifeform: decimation: if you didn't verify the entire blockchain from end to end, you aren't a node! << this will be fun to do because of all the different openssl versions that have shat on the blockchain. iirc the thing skips verification of whole blocks and then relies on verifying a single (checkpoint) block.
☟︎ punkman: and when I tried to verify all of them, it blew up before block 150k
☟︎ cazalla: what.. one million isn't reasonable for that?
BingoBoingo: In this part of USia a freestanding house of that size would more prominently be advertsising... vast tracts of land...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71250 @ 0.00034042 = 24.2549 BTC [+] {3}
cazalla: prob isn't working class people buying it but the chinese.. a lot of foreign investment of aussie housing is coming from china past few years, thought is that they dont mind paying huge premiums just to get their money outta there
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15723 @ 0.0003333 = 5.2405 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39550 @ 0.00032904 = 13.0135 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8126 @ 0.000329 = 2.6735 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00032819 = 6.4982 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12801 @ 0.00032835 = 4.2032 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29750 @ 0.00033038 = 9.8288 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021372 B (Total: 467.36 B). Delta: 0.18 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.000206 / 0.00020666 / 0.000207 (89560 shares, 18.51 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35813 @ 0.00033192 = 11.8871 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4507 @ 0.00033192 = 1.496 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45908 @ 0.00032898 = 15.1028 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52792 @ 0.00033607 = 17.7418 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41521 @ 0.00033616 = 13.9577 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39500 @ 0.00034236 = 13.5232 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00032481 = 2.6634 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78250 @ 0.00034005 = 26.6089 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: same thing i did about doge, keisercoin, auroracoin, younameitcoin
mircea_popescu: bitcoin has no shortage of satoshi impersonators trying to push scamcoins.
assbot: Logged on 01-06-2015 07:22:44; mats: i miss assbot titles
assbot: Logged on 01-06-2015 09:10:39; punkman: asciilifeform: decimation: if you didn't verify the entire blockchain from end to end, you aren't a node! << this will be fun to do because of all the different openssl versions that have shat on the blockchain. iirc the thing skips verification of whole blocks and then relies on verifying a single (checkpoint) block.
mircea_popescu: but they were disallowed from actually taking the next step, ie, make blocks unverifiable.
assbot: Logged on 01-06-2015 09:11:43; punkman: and when I tried to verify all of them, it blew up before block 150k
assbot: Logged on 01-06-2015 09:40:31; cazalla: prob isn't working class people buying it but the chinese.. a lot of foreign investment of aussie housing is coming from china past few years, thought is that they dont mind paying huge premiums just to get their money outta there
punkman: mircea_popescu: atm the whole chain still verifies if you care to. << has anyone actually accomplished this? verify every single transaction and block to date?
punkman: my test was with foundation bitcoind before the release though
punkman: maybe I had wrong openssl version, dunno
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30100 @ 0.00034289 = 10.321 BTC [+]
punkman: I think I put in all the patches currently listed on thebitcoin.foundation front page, except perhaps static-makefile.tar.gz. And used whatever openssl etc that was present on my debian7 system.
punkman: 0.5.3.1-RELEASE doesn't verify everything, needs removal of the conditional that skips blocks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38003 @ 0.00032128 = 12.2096 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20447 @ 0.00031823 = 6.5068 BTC [-]
shinohai: mod6 when you return, wanted to let you know I built without the irc peer discovery and it works nice.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Is the qntra server under DoS?
mircea_popescu: 256 requests currently being processed, 0 idle workers
mircea_popescu: RWWRWCRWWWRWCWWRCWCCCWWCWRRRCWWWWWCCWCCCWWCRCWWWWCCWRWWWRRWCRRWC
mircea_popescu: RWRWRWWWWRRRRCWWWCCRRWCWWWRRWRRWRRWCWCWRWWRRWRWRRWRRCWRCRWCCWRRW
mircea_popescu: CWRRCWRWRCRRWRWWWWWCCCWRCWWWWWWRWCRWWCRRWCRRWCWWWRWRCWCRCCWCRRWW
mircea_popescu: RWWWRWWRWRRCWCRWCWWWCCWRWRWCCWRCWWRCWWWRWWRRWWCWWCRCRWRWRCCWCCCW
mircea_popescu: and besides... servers made for workin neh ? 100% capacity ftw.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67550 @ 0.00031817 = 21.4924 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Logged on 01-06-2015 13:55:14; shinohai: mod6 when you return, wanted to let you know I built without the irc peer discovery and it works nice.
shinohai: No one has given me any "trusted" nodes yet.
shinohai: I know it was removed, but when I last spoke to mod6 I think he told me to just connect normally for now
shinohai: To whatever peers it connects to instead of specifying ip's
shinohai: But yes, I see the point. Perhaps irc is the best way to find non-gavinized nodes.
shinohai: So is it possible to change the *network* it connects to, to one under your control ?
shinohai: I have that same line already ?
shinohai: Twas a theoretical question, supposing the original network is spammed/compromised.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54624 @ 0.00031571 = 17.2453 BTC [-] {3}
jurov: williamdunne: it can perhaps accept multiple urls
jurov: mod6, good job with the report!
jurov: "This is to certify that any person with a WoT account in assbot's L2 list that can show proof their property was confiscated through the direct or indirect workings of the soi-dissant "Executive Order" issued April 1st, 2015 by the criminal group illegally misidentifying itself as "government of the United States" will receive a 1 (one) Bitcoin compensation on the spot
jurov: and as progressing confiscation and dispossession of real estates, chattels and intangibles currently held without right by the aforementioned criminal group allows, further compensation to satisfy at least five times the value of property lost at the time the loss occurred.
jurov: !up referredbyloper
Relos: how do you guys propose to increase the node count?
davout: Relos: you have some log reading to do obviously
jurov: Relos are you aware of pogoplug development?
davout: Relos: come back when you've investigated that
Landgull: Thanks. So is someone seriously trying to DDOS a philosophy blog?
Landgull: Isn't that, essentially, an admission that you're right?
jurov: davout hasn't waken up well?
jurov: williamdunne: sorry, mixed it up
davout: jurov: no no, it's just some guy that was asking questions about "what's mpex proposing regarding block size", told him to come ask, now he has some elements of answer
jurov: Landgull don't feed mircea's ego, it's big enough already :DD
Landgull: Hey, I didn't say he was right - just that someone with a botnet thinks he's right.
Landgull: Also: Remarkably apropos that such an executive order would be on April 1st...
jurov: "Could not connect to the database: User 'scimag_read' has exceeded the 'max_user_connections' resource (current value: 40)"
mod6: <+shinohai> To whatever peers it connects to instead of specifying ip's << hi! glad you're having some success,.. I thought we added ascii's dns snip patch? Or did I mis-remember that? you did have to use "addnode=" in your bitcoin.conf right?
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: Landgull the internet consists among other things of millions of unparented children.
mircea_popescu: they still need parenting, even if nobody can be arsed to provide for them. so they beg as best they can.
mod6: eh, i must be stale again
Landgull: Well sure, but kids don't waste their time on things they don't care about. You don't see them pulling pigtails because they think a girl is ugly.
mircea_popescu: i would guess it'd depend just how desperate they are.
Landgull: Eh, anyone who has tried to censor tends to find themselves outlived by the works they're trying to censor, if history is any guide.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 168 @ 0.006 = 1.008 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: it figures it owes it to itself to come sniff you because hey, IT EXISTS!!1
mircea_popescu: did you think it didn't exist ? don't you DARE THINK IT DOESNT EXIST OMYGAWD!!1
Landgull: At any rate, I've been reading the logs for a bit and I like the kind of discussion that seems to happen in here, so I thought I'd say hi.
shinohai: This is about the only place that isn't an echo chamber anymore sadly.
☟︎ Landgull: Mmm, echo chambers only matter to politicians pandering to votes, though. Or 50%+1 attacks via democracy, I suppose.
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00033088 = 6.1875 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48750 @ 0.00033145 = 16.1582 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00030494 / 0.00032685 / 0.00034289 (2527042 shares, 825.98 BTC), 7D: 0.00027782 / 0.0003109 / 0.00035229 (23430932 shares, 7,284.73 BTC), 30D: 0.00019511 / 0.00026678 / 0.00035229 (133425037 shares, 35,596.45 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 193141 @ 0.0003399 = 65.6486 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17459 @ 0.00034373 = 6.0012 BTC [+]
Landgull: So why is it that all of the sudden I'm hearing about people wanting to put everything and their cat in the blockchain? Is it actually a good idea, or is it just a way to attack/overwhelm the network?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42403 @ 0.00032996 = 13.9913 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6297 @ 0.0003243 = 2.0421 BTC [-]
trinque: Landgull: dunno about everything and their cat, but putting cryptographic hashes in the blockchain is a marvelous idea
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7819 @ 0.00033413 = 2.6126 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: the redditards are clusterfucking into a pitchfork mob now?!?
BingoBoingo: nah, they are pitchfuckingforks into a clustermob.
williamdunne: They're square-jerking circular-pitchforks in the middle of a Block Chain authenticated cluster-chain
shinohai: Just a random user that has chosen his side on this silly BS increase war.
shinohai: I like to be prepared for all contingencies.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79500 @ 0.00031865 = 25.3327 BTC [-] {4}
shinohai: qntra.net is back up for me \o/
danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.shinohai.1:90bf716226dda3c5a21ef3c856b0cbdefbf7e153a88a194e3cfcce9da785f377
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for shinohai with note: fresh meat bitcoind hacker
williamdunne: You're now in L2 of Assbot and can !up yourself
jurov: shinohai: don't forget other goodies like put deeds, send email to btc-dev mailing list (once it syncs with assbot)
assbot: Logged on 01-06-2015 14:53:54; mod6: <+shinohai> To whatever peers it connects to instead of specifying ip's << hi! glad you're having some success,.. I thought we added ascii's dns snip patch? Or did I mis-remember that? you did have to use "addnode=" in your bitcoin.conf right?
shinohai: np jurov, I signed up for mailing list last week
assbot: Logged on 01-06-2015 14:53:54; mod6: <+shinohai> To whatever peers it connects to instead of specifying ip's << hi! glad you're having some success,.. I thought we added ascii's dns snip patch? Or did I mis-remember that? you did have to use "addnode=" in your bitcoin.conf right?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes heh just you wait till kid actually showis up.
mod6: Then it was working well as far as I know.
ascii_field: mod6: i was simply pointing out that it is not, afaik, part of the official therealbitcoin tree as of yet.
mircea_popescu: nobody's fault you don't matter, peeps. talk to urmoms.
jurov: whole r/bitcoin is like let's move to bitcoin-xt
thestringpuller: yea. everyone is lining up to suck Gavin's dick more eagerly.
ascii_field: let'em move to gavincoin, dogecoin, feathercoin
mod6: <+ascii_field> mod6: i was simply pointing out that it is not, afaik, part of the official therealbitcoin tree as of yet. << ahh corret.
mircea_popescu: "let's make web interface for luser home routers a thing for servers"
williamdunne points at cpanel, sorry Mr.Popescu, your billion dollar idea has already been done! Its magical!
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: it's a mandatory usg rapehole; the remote admin thing is just a way to squeeze a bit of marketing juice out of it, since it is already there
ascii_field: try buy intel box with ecc support (read: xeon) without it.
mircea_popescu: what's wrong with colocate box with the thing smashed.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: recent 'xeons' won't init unless thing is on the bus and functioning
williamdunne: Couldn't this be partially solved with a rather stringent firewall policy (off-machine ofc)
ascii_field: not to mention the fact that it hijacks your nics
ascii_field: and that it is far from certain what precisely the magic packet looks like
mircea_popescu: if you have one not running thre same shit just run that then
jurov: williamdunne: it could accept perfectly ordinary tcp packet
williamdunne: Hardware firewall doesn't run web servers too well..
ascii_field: jurov: sure. i was trying to point out that the answer 'well firewall it off' is not a pill against this kind of thing
ascii_field: williamdunne: afaik they are not sold to public.
williamdunne: Hence "For discussion of the bitcoin-xt potentialt"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50667 @ 0.00031932 = 16.179 BTC [+] {2}
williamdunne: Its really amazing what we can do with proper scientific procedures..
williamdunne: "And the ‘stinkiest’ people in Europe are French
williamdunne: A new study has officially proved that French are smelly and Dutch, Germans and Scandinavians are the cleanest ones."
☟︎ jurov: lol they prolly didn't do the study in central/eastern eu
jurov: "All the emails you receive from Facebook will be protected with encryption, ensuring that no one — even NSA or any other spy agency — can read the content of the messages without the access to your private key." rofl
trinque: so facebook is a keyserver now
mats: USG discovers american citizens involved in foreign, would-be coup, decides to sell them out to local security rather than dealing with it themselves
ascii_field: mats: i distinctly recall hearing of this before
ascii_field: in one of the old 'failed micronations' threads
ascii_field: usg reserves some of its fastest and least-bureaucratized immune reactions for mutinies which might attract u.s. 'men of action'
williamdunne: Keyserver thing could be ...kinda useful I guess?
williamdunne has just been flagged to NSA by facebook as someone who uses PGP
trinque: williamdunne: holy lol @ the idea that them encrypting email to me does *anything*
jurov: mircea_popescu: it's same lulzy "protection" as the facebook gpg stuff
trinque: what they don't have a database now?
williamdunne: trinque: IKR? Pretending that the NSA isn't already embedded 12 inches in their rectum
trinque: bullshit factory produces bullshit, more at 11
trinque: and then google chrome ships a diddled gpg plugin
trinque revels in this new watershed of freedom post-lapse of the patriot act
trinque: of course the browser will need the private key
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trinque: d-did the jews do facebook?
trinque: well now it all makes sense
williamdunne: USG already pays good money to dell and the likes for information on who buys what from them, and what bitcoin addresses are involved in the transaction
williamdunne: So wouldn't be surprised if they just outright buy facebook's data
trinque: why wouldn't they? isn't that what facebook's business is?
trinque: gather sheep, whore them out?
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williamdunne: ECUREX bragging about being FATCA compliant, top kek
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jurov: mircea_popescu: i see eulora moving, can we talk about release engineering reward?
jurov: putting together somehow mostly-reliably working binaries
williamdunne: Someone is trying to crowdfund £150,000 to open an airport
jurov: 0.5BTC or 5000 shares per version per platform (linux, osx, windows)
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mircea_popescu: easier to give you btc i think. which windowses can you do ?
mircea_popescu: which windowses are even around anymore ? brb looking.
jurov: i don't think win compatibility is major problem
jurov: (xp's are really old, tho)
chetty: >>> doubts it will run on xp at all
jurov: will ask my dude what would entail xp compatibility
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Biggest thing in their favour is that it was an airport that was closed, doesn't need 100% rebuilding
williamdunne: Also, who is involved and how the hell are they qualified to run an airport?
williamdunne: Seems unlikely that someone who wants to run a social-enterprise is qualified to do anything more than make coffee
jurov: mircea_popescu: looks like it can be snow leoprd and newer
flyplymouth: there has already been pledges of funds £20m to date but this cannot e accessed without the business plan being stress tested. We have done this already but has to be stress tested to Heathrow / Gatwick standards to access serious money (e.g Government etc)
flyplymouth: Ha ha. Social Enterprises take a lot of rap.
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jurov: 7.x is powerpc era :) that would be like another platform completely
flyplymouth: Stress test the business model to see if passenger numbers stack up and ticket prices.
mircea_popescu: jurov ok, so then osx 10.10, win 7 and win 8.1 to start ?
jurov: and 64bit linux, no?
williamdunne: flyplymouth: In comparison to Exeter how big was Plymouth? Exeter is kinda shit. I prefer just to go to London something
mircea_popescu: 64/32 bit linux later for the noobs, but give sane people a chance to make their stuff first.
jurov: 1AByKSJ5JUPDhq19xYehNixB1RoM75UX93
flyplymouth: The business model is completey different from Exeter. To be fair Exeter do quite a good job for its size. We'll be smaller planes as a 'connecting airport' so you won't initially get many holiday destinations but it would connect into key cities and hubs.
williamdunne: flyplymouth: Key cities in.... UK or abroad? Tourism isn't much of a concern
flyplymouth: Also we will have some Fixed Based Operators onsite which absorb alot of the running costs.
williamdunne: flyplymouth: And I know business model is different, I meant more along the lines of bandwidth, plane size etc
mircea_popescu: i still don't understand what stress testing a business plan involves.
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flyplymouth: Business Model so far works on Manchester, London, Glasgow, Dublin (connect to us), Amsterdam. We have submitted 10 destinations for passenger numbers which come back viable.
flyplymouth: Where Plymouth got into trouble in the past was it was reliant on BA flights. We'll set up the flights directly
williamdunne: flyplymouth: Not sure how that works, so I won't comment. Anyhow. How do you stress test a business plan?
williamdunne thinks bringing a business plan here is the best stress test available
mircea_popescu: flyplymouth so wait you're going to be like, an airline with an airport ?
williamdunne: More like an airport with a pet airline I think
flyplymouth: In aviation terms, they will review passenger journeys to see how many people travelled from Plymouth to the destinations, they will look at plane types and prices paid and give you a report back on whether your calculations make sense.
assbot: Landgull is not registered in WoT.
Landgull: Do I need to re-register with assbot?
mats fires up the gas grill
williamdunne: flyplymouth: So, why do you need funding to do this?
jurov: Landgull if you regged with btc addy, assbot did not pick you
flyplymouth: Before you can attract airlines you need to demonstrate passenger demand. There are models used around the UK which almost charter planes to use as an airline. If you have demand / good seat occupancy it works well. This happens in a lot of airports around the UK but planes are badged with other airlines.
williamdunne: flyplymouth: And do you not think you could attract some actual investment if this wasn't a social enterprise?
flyplymouth: If you are using your own money to reopen the airport, you can just go ahead and open it. But to access money which is not repayable, whether it from Government or otherwise, they have to see that it stacks up over the long term and importantly that it has a wider benefit to the local / regional economy
flyplymouth: The social enterprise model doesn't prohibit us from attracting private investment.
williamdunne: flyplymouth: You didn't answer the question at all
Landgull: So you're relying on government money?
williamdunne: flyplymouth: You said you don't want to make money for shareholders
trinque: he's talking about some govt funding program for public benefit
flyplymouth: not at all social enterprises can now attract investors
trinque: does "social enterprise" have a UK legal definition?
Landgull: Or rather, my question would be: How much of the actual investment/operating capital needs to come from private sources, after you've satisfied the nonsense of central planner stress testing.
mircea_popescu: flyplymouth so let me see if i understand. you're trying to get a small sum together to pay for various studies that then you can turn around and give the british government which will spend a lot of its own money to do the thing you came up with ?
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williamdunne: trinque: There are a couple of legal structures for it, like a community corporation or something of similar name
flyplymouth: As you will have seen in news of late, Transport Secretary and others have said it can reopen, the question is who opens it. We want to safeguard the airport for the long term.
chetty: why would someone invest in something not intended to make money?
williamdunne: flyplymouth: Its not about if you're legally allowed to do it, its more I'm a billionaire, why the fuck do I give you money for a social program? While it can work with a small homeless shelter, you're talking about an airport. Not like there is one landlord who owns half of Plymouth and the surrounding area who wants to increase property values.
flyplymouth: It will make money, social enterprise and charity are compltely different. Social Enterpise makes profit for purpose, where as Charity is not for profit
flyplymouth: In terms of social enterprise, most of our transport infrstructure is based on social enterprise model
williamdunne: flyplymouth: Most of our transport infrastructure is government owned
williamdunne: flyplymouth: Anyhow, Social Enterprise makes profit but pays no dividends
flyplymouth: If you are a billionaire, then there are options for private investment.
williamdunne: Have you spoken to Plymouth's sole billionaire?
flyplymouth: it also depends on how they choose to invest equity/ fixed return etc.
Landgull: Plymouth, what people are asking you is why a billionare would rather put his money with you than either 1) putting it in some blue-chip stock, or 2) directly giving it to a charity that they care about.
williamdunne: flyplymouth: I doubt Chris Dawson is too bothered about having to go to London to catch a flight
Landgull: You need to have a better risk-adjusted return than 1, or a better cause than 2.
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williamdunne: "Mr Dawson said it was a Budget for everyone, that the prices of food and fuel had come down, and that thanks to the Budget he yesterday signed off a deal with a European country to build factories.
williamdunne: But speaking about NHS staff unhappy at their low wages, Mr Dawson suggested they could retrain and work in another industry."
flyplymouth: why would a billionaire invest in an airport? If they want to develop and grow Plymouth whilst also generating a good return. Recent studies from aviation industry have said that Plymouth Airport could add 240 jobs to local economy and £20m a year to wider economy. It also helps having one of the largest naval bases in Europe in Plymouth, which attracts manufacturers and business to visit the area
williamdunne: flyplymouth: How would they generate returns? This is what we're asking. You can't pay dividends so..?
flyplymouth: divdends are not the only way to generate a return. Bonds / Investment Agreements.
flyplymouth: Bonds and loans are not techically the same thing.
Landgull: Ok, what kind of rate could you sustain on your bond, and what exactly are your creditors entitled to seize?
williamdunne: flyplymouth: Promise of interest in return for money today, I'm not too bothered by technicalities
williamdunne: flyplymouth: Everyone on this channel understands what bonds are, dw about that
jurov: mircea_popescu: got it
williamdunne: flyplymouth: So once you've "stress tested" this business plan, rather than going for government money, why don't you become the first CIC to issue publicly traded bonds?
williamdunne: flyplymouth: Certainly talking about enough money to justify it..
flyplymouth: if you want to chat more about investment, you best contacting us direct
williamdunne: danielpbarron: Shhh, don't tell her we've seen it!
williamdunne: flyplymouth: Why? Anything I want to talk to you about I will talk to you about here
Landgull: Dude, if you don't have a good answer, you're a lot better off just admitting it and asking for advice. Not just with finance, but in life as a whole.
williamdunne: flyplymouth: A bond is something that people with actual money can get behind
williamdunne: Lol, their testimonial is one of their employees saying how he is properly worked
flyplymouth: If you want talk serious finance then you need to talk to FD.
trinque: little guy seems to be doing alright
☟︎ trinque: I haven't had to hit it with a wrench in a bit
williamdunne: flyplymouth: Whats his number, I'll try and get him on here.
flyplymouth: if you want to talk serious then I can set it up
williamdunne: Worth noting, I have no idea who any of you are. Missing from your website.
flyplymouth: media@flyplymouth.com drop me a line and I'll connect you.
Landgull: I don't think he liked the results of the stress test.
williamdunne: No, nor the advice "Social Enterprise is stupid" is the only thing I think he heard
williamdunne: The idea I think is actually ok, Plymouth does need to be better connected, but they're definitely derping around with it
Landgull: They need to stop talking about what they need and start talking about what they will do for their investors.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: what they will do for their investors?
williamdunne: ben_vulpes: Not just airplanes, a whole airport
Landgull: I think they should take the 150k, buy a cessna, and ferry people around as a social enterprise.
ben_vulpes: but let's start with the "how is anyone involved qualified to derp near expensive-ass capital equipment"
Landgull: Well, they wanted 150k for a stress test.
williamdunne: Something something statistics something something customers something something viability
Landgull: My guess is, you pay a bureaucrat to tell you that your made up numbers look like his made up numbers.
williamdunne: For reference, this is what they're talking about
ben_vulpes: that's what it meant in the context of the us banking retardation
ben_vulpes: and what world is this where scammers take cash to build out a model and then verify it with bureaucrats?
williamdunne: Thought they were derpy so wanted to discuss it on a public forum
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williamdunne: Maybe they can do more crowdfunding with the latest Havelock IPO?
ben_vulpes: FLYPLYMOUTH has developed a plan to reopen Plymouth airport, reintroducing aviation services and air passenger services that is stepped and incrementally profitable at each stage. We believe that this objective is deliverable in two to three years and that by working together with the City around a demonstrably credible plan supported by independent feasibility analysis Plymouth will be able to benefit from new job creation and better
ben_vulpes: mk well they're even tapping into the local welfare spigot
williamdunne: If it was 5 miles to the left of its current position they could massively tap into European welfare spigots, which is even more hilarious
williamdunne: Take it back, about 7 miles to the West for Euro welfare
thestringpuller: i really wish it was practical to just kill the redditards
diana_coman: hello, could I please have an eulora account?
jurov: diana_coman: you managed to compile the new ver already?
diana_coman: jurov not yet, as I just saw the post on trilema, but I will get onto it as soon as possible and I have some experience...
mats: ranger school: churning out a cripple for every leader
assbot: Logged on 01-06-2015 15:08:46; Landgull: Mmm, echo chambers only matter to politicians pandering to votes, though. Or 50%+1 attacks via democracy, I suppose.
mats: i've observed folks in various, interesting pipelines -- BUD/S, JTAC, SFAS, ...
mats: the number of broke dicks getting churned out of ranger school is a leadership failure not a fact of life
mats: the navy doesn't see nearly the same level of folks going to medical discharge boards
☟︎ pete_dushenski: in the leadership failure aspect, not the medical aspect.
mircea_popescu: jurov if you have one precompiuled it takes all of 10 minutes
mircea_popescu: btw in case anyone's missed it - eulora! ask for accts.
jurov: yes but it picked up misc system crud
davout: mircea_popescu: acct pl0x
davout: Godefroy de Montmirail
mircea_popescu: screww that im not gonna keep asking. calling everyone their nick.
jurov: i had to: ./configure --with-cs-prefix=/path/to/cs --without-mysqlclient --without-sqlite3 --without-postgresql --without-hunspell
pete_dushenski: mats universities as businesses, which is what they've certainly become with their 20th century 'mass adoption' approach to education, couldn't possibly lead their students to be anything other than broke dicks anymore than apple can with the kids who buy their iphonez
jurov: nemtudom, as i said.
pete_dushenski: universities as places of higher learning for the already learned, different story.
chetty: love the char name davout
davout: mircea_popescu: just call me ";drop database `eulora`"
pete_dushenski: the same approach to flatness leads to failure in the military.
ascii_field: 'Senior officers live in large houses, travel on their own planes and oversee whole continents with little direction from Washington.'
pete_dushenski: "One reason to support increasing the block size: Luke-Jr is against it." << lulz via redditards.
davout: this blocksize drama will end up spontaneously reinventing dogecoin
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: aha, run moar winblows (TM)
assbot: Logged on 01-06-2015 18:04:15; mircea_popescu: i didn't find a supplier.
mircea_popescu: davout it's kinda amusing to see just how butthurt "social media" gets when it turns out nobody cares what they think / nothing they could do makes any difference.
ascii_field: are we even seeing actual butts or astroturf
ascii_field: 'The exorbitant membership fee, 30 BTC, coupled with the fact that their twitter account hasn’t been touched since last June, suggests that the exchange is defunct, or at least no longer being actively promoted.' << tungsten, it melts in your mouth!
pete_dushenski: heh, it's the one year anniversary of aantop's murder !
mike_c: jurov: not to be an ass since you just took the job, but do you have an idea for ballpark on binaries? my ubuntu box has trouble running eulora due to gfx card issues.. just wondering if it's days, weeks, or months.
☟︎ pete_dushenski: doubt anyone will bother to show up at aantop's gravestone with oranges and braided bread for provda
mircea_popescu: mike_c i put nvidia drivers in the binary bundle just in case.
jurov: mike_c: best if you compile yourself then
assbot: Logged on 01-06-2015 18:37:26; williamdunne: A new study has officially proved that French are smelly and Dutch, Germans and Scandinavians are the cleanest ones."
mike_c: i tried to compile windoze version, didn't go so well
jurov: mircea_popescu: that's not nvidia drivers, but some library crystalspace depends upon
mike_c: mircea_popescu: didn't know that, i could try that
pete_dushenski: the frenchies (lausanne in particular) were coming up with all sorts of creative ad campaigns to encourage people to pick up their fucking trash
jurov: also, my windows/osx dude said he's away till 12th. so the position is in fact open
jurov: diana_coman will try on windows, too
jurov: i'll forward or return the funds when someone picks up
mike_c: mircea_popescu: yeah, i saw that. still not so easy without a clean box to get all those specific versions on
chetty: for the record I have gotten it to run on a laptop, but its very slow
mircea_popescu: i actually got it to run on an old laptop too, but it was like 2 fps
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Lol, yeah. Apparently they hedge theirs though rather than bear the risk
williamdunne: You may be wondering why we’ve been so quiet lately.
williamdunne: We started Sand Hill Exchange as a fun game to let people bet on startup valuations. It is an enjoyable experience, but when we pushed aggressively to monetize we received a cease and desist from the SEC.
williamdunne: We never had any intention of operating in a regulated industry, nor do we have the resources required to do so. We reached a settlement agreement with the SEC and are reverting to the uncontroversial free version of Sand Hill Exchange.
williamdunne: Sand Hill Exchange has always been strongest as a site focused on education and community. The paper trading version of our site preserves these values while providing a safe, fun experience.
williamdunne: For full details on everything that transpired please check our blog.
williamdunne: Press release says they were fined $200k, email subject says $20k
williamdunne: They're doing it by issuing smart contracts so they're not the issuers technically, supposedly
chetty: williamdunne, it best if you compile yourself from the source, but its a breeze on ubuntu
williamdunne: "25 days into our experiment, activity on the site was parabolic. Users were writing their own algorithmic traders. On most days, Sand Hill Exchange saw more trading volume than the New York Stock Exchange (circa 1840). Behind the scenes, we mapped out technology infrastructure to decentralize the exchange."
williamdunne: "That’s when we received an inquiry from the SEC. And then a subpoena demanding a court appearance and all our documents and communications since the beginning of last year.
williamdunne: We had less than $10,000 in the bank. We had no legal counsel to speak of."
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williamdunne remembers why he only uses languages with package management systems
williamdunne: And more recently Meteor, although thats not a personal choice (but does have a great package manager)
thestringpuller: i'm quitting the code life soon to pursue my dream of being a rapper
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menahem: what do you guys think of this tee ?
menahem: debating if i should add a quote to it
menahem: "this Bitcock ain't gonna suck itself."
danielpbarron already has the b-a official t-shirt thanks to nubbins`
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williamdunne: Well I think the essence, is if what you're currently doing isn't working, fucking change it
danielpbarron: ;;later tell nubbins` could you make a few dozen business cards for me and have them arrive at my house by the 20th of this month? and what would that cost?
BingoBoingo: Landgull: Dude, if you don't have a good answer, you're a lot better off just admitting it and asking for advice. Not just with finance, but in life as a whole. << Wait, there is now an aeronaut ninjaspamzor???
decimation: mats: the us military likes to keep its elborate hazing rituals
decimation:
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/05/cybersecurity-and-tylenol-murders < "Yet none of the proposals now in Congress are aimed at actually increasing the safety of our data. Instead, the focus is on ?information sharing,? a euphemism for more surveillance of users and networks. These bills are not only wrongheaded, they seem to be a cynical ploy to use the very real problems of cybersecurity to advance a surveillance agenda, rather th
mats: gas grills are an amazing invention
decimation: usg actually should subsidize rather than punish hackers. Like terrorists, they provide the perfect excuse to expand state power with little opposition
mats: nommin on ma homemade white wine and shallot pork sausages
decimation: BingoBoingo: one wonders how much 'high brow' trolling/bullshit has been incorporated into wikipedia
BingoBoingo: decimation: I imagine that's what most of it is
mats: decimation: were that only the case... imo its a holdover from a different, 'harder', era
decimation: mats: note that militaries have had hazing rituals since time immemorial
mats: my syntax is terrible
mats: "white wine, shallot, and pork [sausage]"
mats: it all goes into one casing, the pork is braised in the wine
decimation: the 'liquid' is a combination of sugar water and yeast shit
mats: shallots are in the onion family
decimation: although in most european style wines the sugar is mostly gone