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danielpbarron: ;;later tell pete_dushenski ^ nice stuff. freaky how much I can relate to the sentiment as of late.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the reason this putative is seemingly without answer is because it is castrated. what tlp would do if he realised what's wrong with his head depends on WHY HE REALISED. what would the pubescent girl do if she matured ? nothing the pubescent girl can do BECAUSE maturation is DRIVEN by the VERY DEED! once she finds a boy she loves she will both be a woman and know what to do ; once tlp ACTUALLY understands
☟︎ mircea_popescu: before that happens there necessarily isn't what either "can" do.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=28-10-2015#1309798 is a much deeper problem than realised. yes, it's true that the adolescents see themselves as peers to the adults. NOT IT IS NOT TRUE THEY ARE. yes it is this false, unfounded identification that drives both DK and the insane notions of the adolescents as to the failures of both "the world" and adults (these two aren't even really different).
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 28-10-2015 07:29:28; mircea_popescu: "This tension in anon culture, that every single person is empowered by the whole of the group and thus merits treatment as a peer, turns these individual hostile challenges into a storm of entitled demands for attention. Anons see themselves as peers to everyone, empowered by the support of the group, and thus entitled to participate in any conversation they aren’t forcibly prevented from entering."
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BingoBoingo: "Researchers also recorded how often the 699 study participants - Czech men between the ages of 35 and 65 years old - had sexual intercourse."
BingoBoingo: "The first reason was that woman's abdominal body fat decreased their own sexual desire on a hormonal level, which would hamper libido. The second reason could be that men simply found slimmer women more attractive and thus had fewer problems in the bedroom."
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 29-10-2015 01:46:22; asciilifeform: (i mean, how the hell does the quoted thread re: intel relate to any of this...?)
pete_dushenski: "the personality trait most strongly correlated with programming ability was not introversion or conscientiousness, but openness: a trait that's related to being creative and imaginative"
pete_dushenski: "A meta-analysis on 19 independent samples (total N = 1695) highlighted that programming aptitude was associated with three personality traits, conscientiousness, openness, and introversion."
pete_dushenski: "In contrast to stereotypical beliefs, programming aptitudes were not associated with socially undesirable traits such as disagreeableness or neuroticism."
assbot: Immigration policy is about barriers to entry, not fairness; or how Paul Graham thinks programmers are inventors | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... (
http://bit.ly/1MVn3kX )
mircea_popescu: this admitting there EVEN ARE 1695 programmers out there.
mircea_popescu: seems dubious. moreover what happened is, "back in 1965, people could actually code - and those people who could actually code were disagreeable neurotics. 50 years later we turned coding into a sort of welfard subdepartment of the ushs, and now those 'coders' are exactly like the rest of the welfare population : open and conscientious. which is why the line before the tsa anal fingering office consists of middleaged w
mircea_popescu: omen with their panties folded neatly in their hands."
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pete_dushenski: 'they don't have any experience but gosh darn are they qualified on paper!'
pete_dushenski: heh. jack baruth riffs off my 'middle class' article : "We inmates of the middle class envy the rich for obvious reasons but we also envy the poor, because they have freedom."
pete_dushenski: though since he's firmly in the middle class, he ends up looking down to the LOWER class in envy
pete_dushenski: upper class too inaccessible, so what's left ? down. down's what's left.
pete_dushenski: "To be in the middle class is to perennially be under threat. But to be the main character of a Dylan or Grateful Dead song is to be poorer, and lower, and free."
pete_dushenski: jack's something of a musician so he's never short of usian 60s-present musical references, most of which are lost on me, but he's still a pretty astute cultural anthropologist
mircea_popescu: don't look back in anger (look forward ; and kill someone) and don't look down in envy (look upward ; and kill someone).
phf: i believe tlp has an article on meta-analysis studies
phf: " Programming abilities were quantified using an objective performance test (e.g.,number of errors in the program code); subjective evaluations of individual’s coding proficiency were not included."
pete_dushenski: "But how can the author will a meta-analysis to show what he wants it to show? Maybe he could manipulate an individual study, wouldn't a "study of studies" be immune to his dark sorcery? Imagine a study of Prozac vs. placebo in 10000 patients, and Prozac is awesome. Imagine two more studies, each with 6 patients, and Prozac doesn't beat placebo in those. I now have three studies. My meta-analysis concludes:
pete_dushenski: "Prozac was found to be superior to placebo in only a third of studies." Boom-- Associate Professor. When meta-analyses look at only a few studies (e.g. N=4), if even one of them is a poorly designed study you can overwhelm-- or purposely extinguish-- what might actually be a real effect." << this one phf ?
mircea_popescu: phf imagine the sort of unredeemable imbecile who imagines "errors in program code" is objective measure of anything.
mircea_popescu: like, you know, programming has this closed form solution, it's like solving ax+b.
phf: includes such wonderful papers as Personality predictors of performance in an introductory computer course. (1982), MBTI personality type and student code comprehension skill., Predicting student success in an introductory programming course., The effects of openness to experience on pair programming in a higher education context., Identifying predictors of programming skill.
phf: i like this one, Personality and learning FORTRAN. (1985), i almost want to trick that one down
phf: mircea_popescu: just more academia inbreeding in this "metastudy". only time i saw fortran code is when helping computation chemistry grgrad students code up their models
pete_dushenski: vulpes_a_hopital how long's the labour been thus far ?
mircea_popescu: phf one of the numerous women i proposed marriage to was actually a chainsmoker fortran programmer.
vulpes_a_hopital: mk. well as someone who actually reviews, teaches and issues canings over code, and knows the personalities involved intimately, i'm going to not give a shit.
mircea_popescu: vulpes_a_hopital ages 5 to 7 or so, yeah. half my mother's friends!
mircea_popescu: for any 5yos reading b-a : do this. the women love it, and then later they'll be like, in your exams and shit. plus mothering the chicks you actually DONT want to marry.
phf: shoulder pads, a "perm" and yellow cigarette nails? "do you like our owl?"
mircea_popescu: but i think you'd get kicked out of the 70s if no shoulder pads.
vulpes_a_hopital: mircea_popescu: does your absurdly broad knowledge bank have anything interesting on the topic of long pregnancies?
mircea_popescu: vulpes_a_hopital you know the medieval cases of undelivered babies calcified in the woman and found at autopsy ?
mircea_popescu: she just never delivered, died 70 or w/e. who knows when she might have conceived. 20s ? 40s ?
mircea_popescu: i always had this suspicion that rabelais was not always sticking to the true objectivity of science.
mircea_popescu: although a meta-study conducted in 1999 showed him to be no worse than average
pete_dushenski vaguely recalls this telephone call on landline : "excuse me, is the master of the house in" "speaking" "oh, alright then, did you find rabelais to be objectively scientific" "oh most certainly" "aha. cheers and good evening." *click*
phf: i liked her as chani in dune
pete_dushenski: and in other news, "Walmart discontinued the sale of its "Israeli soldier kids costume" and "Sheik Fagin nose" Halloween costumes after facing widespread backlash, including boycott calls on the chain store's Facebook page."
mircea_popescu: "Real Men Don't Buy Girls" pretends to be a PSA against child sex slavery. What it really is an effort in rebranding. In this clip, you see Ashton Kutcher. If you had to find 300M Americans to be on a list of "Real Men," and every person in America except for Ashton Kutcher had been eaten by a giant squid, Ashton Kutcher would still not make that list, ever.
mircea_popescu: and I don't know any guy in the world who has an extra pack of socks available "just in case." << now you do. chicks (that don't even wear underwear!) carry spare socks and similar stuff around for my convenience. so there!
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phf: one of the quoted studies only looks at consciousness (for pair programming in class setting), and finds correlation. shouldn't that be removed from the metastudy stats on account of scewing one variable.
phf: "There are some uncontrolled variables which may have affected the validity of the experimental results. One of these was students’ previous programming experience. We noticed that some of the students who already had a few years of programming experience achieved high scores in their test, but scored somewhat low on conscientiousness. They were strong programmers with appropriate knowledge and know-how of programming as compared with
phf: other students. Being highly conscientious may not be necessarily for these students in order to obtain good academic results in this particular course."
mircea_popescu: this, as ben aptly pointed out the obvious to anyone who ever competently managed, or even sanely lived in proximity of programmers, is an outrageously clueless exercise in reductionism to the point of meaninglessness.
BingoBoingo: Oh, so it wasn't a twee portland meeting of two bicycles
mircea_popescu: "conscientiousness", really ? might as well score 19yo hussies by their understanding of the theses of the 18th congress.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: is the assassin eating cake for breakfast at 11 am with a well oiled, well cleaned rifle in his lap - that he cleans and oils properly, every time, and has, irrespective of howp his profession makes it a dispoasable item - conscientious or not conscientious ?
mod6: vulpes_a_hopital: i've been told first babys take time. hang in there :]
phf: i naively went there to see how exactly they measured "programming aptitude" expecting some bogus methodology involving bug counts, the reality is just so incredibly bad, i'm now tracking original papers purely out of morbid fascination
mircea_popescu: "if he were ~~~truely~~~ conscientious he'd take better care of himself. plus he wouldn't go around killing people." yeah im sure.
mircea_popescu: vulpes_a_hopital seriously, labour under 12 hours is not even uncommon. can start worrying next month.
mircea_popescu: what i mean is. for as long as it stays under half a day it's not even a moderately big deal.
vulpes_a_hopital: thestringpuller: howdja get to france if you couldn't make it to con3?
mircea_popescu: who the fuck takes the woman to the hospital before she floods the room i want to know!
mircea_popescu: (quote from actual father, many years ago "dude you will not FUCKING BELIEVE how much water is in there!")
vulpes_a_hopital: so riddle me this: where are the statistics for > 43 week long pregnancies
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> who the fuck takes the woman to the hospital before she floods the room i want to know! << Person who has to clean the room?
BingoBoingo: vulpes_a_hopital: Baby's prolly going to give pete's a run for the money on size, or already has mommy issues
pete_dushenski: vulpes_a_hopital i'll get you the name of the book in the morning
mircea_popescu: anyway. let it be said real women deliver around the time strip clubs close. 6am, that sorta thing
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo no. chance. ben and lady v are markedly smaller parents.
mircea_popescu: vulpes_a_hopital those don't exist. if she goes over 42.5 or so the doctors usually go in.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: But if they bake it longer
mircea_popescu: it's not his van giving birth BingoBoingo it's his wife.
BingoBoingo: I thought that was in November, pretty sure this was his van
vulpes_a_hopital: an apparently healthy baby at 43 weeks may endure labor entirely differently than the 42 weeker, much less the 40 weeker.
pete_dushenski: vulpes_a_hopital i'm missing something, not the least of which was that i read 42 and thought "oh, that's term!" lol
vulpes_a_hopital: moreover, *because* the doctors start insisting on going in at 42.5ish, there are very poor statistics on uninduced labor past 42 weeks or so.
mircea_popescu: vulpes_a_hopital do yourself a favour and read something else.
mircea_popescu: anyway. there is respectable research into this, they actually make sense, going in after 42 is the right move.
BingoBoingo: Anyways that procedure has at least two millenia of safety behind it. Some women do it to themselves
vulpes_a_hopital: feature bloat, fueled by what consumers have come to expect, << top kek
pete_dushenski: vulpes_a_hopital your hospital, canadian banks, what's next !
pete_dushenski: weird, same as my buddy at his td office in calgary....
mircea_popescu: yes. while it's true that trilema hosts one of the largest porn galleries in the western world,
mircea_popescu: your odds of finging it amonmg all the words are negligible.
vulpes_a_hopital: BingoBoingo: i think you want to insert a [sic] there and not correct the quote.
pete_dushenski: hm. i lack the words in which to cloak my true intention of spreading porn to the four corners of the digital world
BingoBoingo: it was an interview, transcription errors happen
vulpes_a_hopital: this brings up such sweet memories of wandering along the remodeled docks talking to davout about how great of a business paymium was
mircea_popescu: no, was is the right verbal form there. it's not tense, it's aspect.
vulpes_a_hopital: and perhaps a link to "so you want to start a bitcoin business" there at the end
BingoBoingo: <vulpes_a_hopital> and perhaps a link to "so you want to start a bitcoin business" there at the end << It is at the start
mircea_popescu: mpoe-pr. her stuff is still remembered long after everyone forgot wtf gavin is supposed to have done last year.
mircea_popescu: vulpes_a_hopital do you have ANY IDEA what's involved in rendering html ?
mircea_popescu: if that worked we wouldn'\t even know what "conscientious" programmer means.
fluffypony: it's annoying as fuck when github renders markdown
fluffypony: like I get that it renders README.md, but leave the rest of my files alone
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mircea_popescu: ;;google and there's nothing short as dying that's half as lonely as the south
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pete_dushenski: in other nyooz, "The police department in Anderson, north of Sacramento, announced this week that it plans to equip and train its force of 20 officers with the weapon, also called nunchuks, as a new means to detain uncooperative suspects while “limiting injuries”."
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pete_dushenski: in other nyooz that actually is, "Google has teamed up with three Indonesian telecommunications companies to expand Internet access in that country using solar-powered balloons."
pete_dushenski: maybe not what you'd want to annouce of 'dc dirigible on the loose' day
pete_dushenski: "The project sends solar-powered balloons 16,000 feet (5,000 meters) into the air to deliver Internet access through radio frequency signals to antennae connected to buildings on the ground. The balloons use algorithms to find the best winds to carry them along their charted course."
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mircea_popescu: Where have you ever heard the words, "by the power vested in me?" That's right, it's a domestic partnership, a marriage of sorts, and rather than try and un-pc figure out which one's the girl and which one's the boy simply observe that person B finds actualization by completely subsuming his own identity into the business of person A, who in turn gets the leisure time to pursue other interests (like drumming.) That,
mircea_popescu: but EXACTLY. minus, of course, the violence, the act of will. a negotiated, agreed upon, "by the power" deal.
mircea_popescu: "0. The diagnosis will make the parents want to try and help the child. This is axiomatic. No parent with access to services will be told their kid has a diagnosis of "PDD" or Asperger's and say, "not interested, let's wait a few years and see how this goes." Once a diagnosis is made, the psychiatric juggernaut is activated. " << no MOTHER.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: that's why the fuck there are two parents : so they're not both mothers, and so that one of them says exactly that, and on occasion actually prevails.
☟︎ stefek99: Why I was voiced? What does it mean?
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mircea_popescu: In every college admissions website, they are referred to as "Admissions Officers." While I didn't assume they were in the military, I suppose I did assume they were... old. er.
mircea_popescu: And some are, I guess, there's got to be an Admissions Dean in the building somewhere. But the average applicant is writing an essay that he thinks an adult with a suit and three kids would want to read. Instead, it's probably being read by someone who can't wait for the new iphone and still bites their nails. Ten grand says they think Jon Stewart is "a freakin' political genius.""
mircea_popescu: i wonder how many kids actually earnestly trying to play that lottery know this is going to be the case and write to that audience (barristas)
mircea_popescu: "hool teacher to determine the curriculum's rigor. But the samples also tell something about the readers. "I had one essay that said how awful Twilight was"--the essay was about damaging themes of female submissiveness in the series--"and I was like, 'Admit her!' " says Melissa Faulner, a 2006 grad on the committee."
mircea_popescu: so very damaging, the themes of female submission. to otherwise unemployable, wasted-life-is-only-a-matter-of-time 13yo girls trapped in 25something female bodies.
mircea_popescu: " They don't give his age, they give a physical description. Media-- and The New Yorker is probably the wost offender of this-- offers a physical description of their subject as a code about their character in exactly the way the media would never allow a regular person to do." <<< right, because it's not about anythihng but trying to misrepresent themselves as powerful. the only reason random derp can't say "nigger"
mircea_popescu: in the restaurant is so that random fishwrap can say "upscale neighbourhood" like it means something.
mircea_popescu: this is, incidentally, a fundamental point to be considered for those inclined to interact with the scum (aka, non-qntra reporters), a point which that seduction expert (i don't recall which one but was in the logs - something about how he went on a "live" show where the 5 dollar audience bood him on cue) : you do want to control their codes. because you must project your own ownership of reality, and of their sorry pe
☟︎ mircea_popescu: rsons. they might write IN the washington post, but for as long as they write ABOUT you they write FOR you. so they can write whatever they want, but they do NOT get to write "upscale neighbourhood", or, as tlp's apt example goes "If they profiled me it woudl start, "Wearing a disheveled undershirt clutching a rock..." and leave it to you to make an objective assessment (="drunkard, likely unbalanced.")".
mircea_popescu: and if they won't not let you, if they won't be EAGERLY complicit in your control of "their" codes, you punish them.
mircea_popescu: (which is code for, you publicly humiliate them. that's the worst that can happen to a wanna-be journo. and in 2015 there exists nothing other than wanna-be in that biz.)
☟︎ mircea_popescu: this one single thing is about 130% of what -the best of the best!- pr does, so let's put pete_d on notice about it.
mircea_popescu: "There is something presumptuous, not to mention deluded, about a print magazine that no one reads claiming that a movie no one will see is a peerless window into something anyone can access anytime they want."
mircea_popescu: "Ponder that flippant run-on sentence for its hidden truth. Who judges whom? What are the criteria for becoming a judge? It's not popularity; nor the sophistication of the staff and writers; or the insight of a director. In the hierarchy of authenticity and truth, which one is at the top? Why can Variety call someone "internet obsessed" but no one can call Variety a "comic book" which, as I am about to show, it is
mircea_popescu: they CAN. and they should. the reason they don't has a lot to do with that peerless question of "what would tlp do if he individuated".
mircea_popescu: stop playing with the toys ? likely, but not necessarily. stop thinking the toys were actual things ? definitely, foundationally.
mircea_popescu: while there's nothing wrong with a 20yo playing with a dollhouse in her hoisiery, there IS something very very wrong with a 20yo that actually thinks of dolls as if they were people. or that "animals have rights too!", which is exactly a proxy for that.
davout: an interenet celebraritee is me
davout: ugh, stop your micro-aggressing
mircea_popescu: until butthurt somethingawfulers add your name to the list of the various idiots you either personally sunk or otherwise frontrun the sinking of, you've not really made it!
davout: well, i do have a june something 2011 video going around where i, i essence, tell karupuresu he has no fucking clue how to run an exchange :D
mircea_popescu: but did you even get banned from fetlife irl or something ?
davout: i did get demoted by theymos from my mod position for basically calling him a derp. i think that counts!11
mircea_popescu: o wait you're no longer oppressing alt-language tards/noobs over at tardtalk ?
davout: nah, bad_duck is doing it now
davout: anyway, i had a look around yesterday about deterministic signatures, and didn't find anything regarding the official cult position
mircea_popescu: what are you trying to fix, the atrocious gpg malleability issues ?
☟︎ davout: nah, i was trying to figure out exactly, at what points should sane software accept user-generated entropy
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 20:57:58; mircea_popescu: any program which allows for the attacker to read in any sense the rng is not necessarily owning the box, but necessarily not part of the not-owning-the-box set either
assbot: Logged on 08-12-2014 23:27:03; punkman: from linked paper: "The analysis is very disturbing: it appears that the bitcoin core client has NOT yet finalized the process of several security upgrades which propose a solution to this problem (deterministic random generation) event though a first solution was already submitted in January 2013"
mircea_popescu: A LOT more research is needed before the cult will be happy with the cult's own understanding of what RNG even fucking means (ie, stands for) in a computing environment.
☟︎ davout: punkman: i shall read it, tyvm
davout: mircea_popescu: yeah well, basically, the intuitive understanding i reached, is that unless your computer is behaving like a dumb calculator, something is wrong
☟︎ davout: in the sense that, if you depend on it for 'generating' random numbers, as opposed to simply behaving like a strictly deterministic machine, you're fuxxored
mircea_popescu: yeah. you know what's wrong ? that you want to fuck it, is what's wrong. sadly, there's not going to be any solution to people wnating to fuck their computers.
davout: i want to fuck my computer?
mircea_popescu: calling a computer "a box" is perhaps the most telling of all freudian seepage ever.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: you are NOT content with it being a simple calculator. it gotta wear fucking heels and lipstick for you.
mircea_popescu: you want to fuck your computer, that's all there is to it.
mircea_popescu: the usecases for "computer" precludes the calculator model, let's put it this way.
mircea_popescu: and i'm not judging anyone for wanting to fuck their box. i understand the impulse, and hey, it beats trying to fuck your station wagon. or mains socket.
davout: you're the one doing the freudian slips tho
mircea_popescu: "not good enough". really ? not good enough for what ? "networking!!1". o ?
mircea_popescu: i got a perfectly fine thinkpad, asciilifeform doesn't think much of it as a... what's he call it, "workstation girlfriend" ?
☟︎ davout: i'm not saying that being a calculator should be the alpha and omega of computing, just that for crypto purposes it's probably better to not think of a RNG as something acceptable
mircea_popescu: well, acceptable or not im pretty much persuaded it's something that must be in there.
davout: the RNG in the computer?
mircea_popescu: but the more interesting question is twinfold : a) why would you not think of a calculator as the omega of computing and b) what would be the omega of computing then ?
mircea_popescu: b) is obviously "a girlfriend that's also god". of course.
mircea_popescu: (also, the RNG content of a computer is not strictly found in a box labeled such).
mircea_popescu: anyway, all this aside : digging out the whole rng story is a huge hot core of useful, important inquiry.
davout: i don't really see why there should be only one kind of computer
☟︎ mircea_popescu: "most hot chicks, in order to be hot, copy something a celebrity wears; remember the Rachel-do? No problem, they look hot in it; but their delusion is that they are referencing Jennifer Aniston and not the millions of other women with the exact same haircut, i.e. that they draw their identity only from the celebrity's identity-- "This look really says me!" Yet sit along the wall of the bar and the conclusion is inevi
mircea_popescu: table: yes, you're hot, but you don't look like Rachel, you look like the other hot chick right next to you. And, bafflingly, you did it on purpose."
mircea_popescu: globalization's a thing. market competition is a thing. there will be always a dominant type of anything.
mircea_popescu: the reason there existed ten thousand types of typewriter and exactly one ibm xt is that typewriters suck.
mircea_popescu: wherein tlp sides with alf in the alf-mp debate over assange/wikileaks etc, but wherein tlp also SHOWS (do, don't tell!) the fundamental weakness of that position. "oh truth without context isn't truth [and let's not mention how this is only because our science isn't actually science - if it were this problem wouldn't exist, but since it isn't then NECESSARILY wikileaks can only be true]".
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assbot: Logged on 29-10-2015 06:35:59; mircea_popescu: "conscientiousness", really ? might as well score 19yo hussies by their understanding of the theses of the 18th congress.
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2015 03:35:30; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the reason this putative is seemingly without answer is because it is castrated. what tlp would do if he realised what's wrong with his head depends on WHY HE REALISED. what would the pubescent girl do if she matured ? nothing the pubescent girl can do BECAUSE maturation is DRIVEN by the VERY DEED! once she finds a boy she loves she will both be a woman and know what to do ; once tlp AC
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2015 04:14:23; BingoBoingo: "The first reason was that woman's abdominal body fat decreased their own sexual desire on a hormonal level, which would hamper libido. The second reason could be that men simply found slimmer women more attractive and thus had fewer problems in the bedroom."
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2015 07:47:18; mircea_popescu: "0. The diagnosis will make the parents want to try and help the child. This is axiomatic. No parent with access to services will be told their kid has a diagnosis of "PDD" or Asperger's and say, "not interested, let's wait a few years and see how this goes." Once a diagnosis is made, the psychiatric juggernaut is activated. " << no MOTHER.
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2015 09:27:34; mircea_popescu: what are you trying to fix, the atrocious gpg malleability issues ?
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2015 09:30:04; mircea_popescu: A LOT more research is needed before the cult will be happy with the cult's own understanding of what RNG even fucking means (ie, stands for) in a computing environment.
assbot: Logged on 25-11-2013 03:41:29; asciilifeform: the essential, non-negotiable property of an rng suitable for crypto is that its output must not be readily available to the enemy.
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2015 09:30:47; davout: mircea_popescu: yeah well, basically, the intuitive understanding i reached, is that unless your computer is behaving like a dumb calculator, something is wrong
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2015 09:39:35; mircea_popescu: i got a perfectly fine thinkpad, asciilifeform doesn't think much of it as a... what's he call it, "workstation girlfriend" ?
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2015 09:39:46; mircea_popescu: "sure, if you're mp you can get by with this, but..."
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2015 09:59:49; mircea_popescu: wherein tlp sides with alf in the alf-mp debate over assange/wikileaks etc, but wherein tlp also SHOWS (do, don't tell!) the fundamental weakness of that position. "oh truth without context isn't truth [and let's not mention how this is only because our science isn't actually science - if it were this problem wouldn't exist, but since it isn't then NECESSARILY wikileaks can only be true]".
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2015 09:46:02; davout: i don't really see why there should be only one kind of computer
davout: "store and play the correct bach fugue depending on what emacs modeline is set" <<< i thought emacs could *generate* bach fugues
davout: vulpes_a_hopital: lol nice, the cheatsheet is like 4 pages long !1
vulpes_a_hopital: davout: learning to play that software is a pretty long journey
phf: hipster programmer, hates github, goes to github to read package documentation
phf: vulpes_a_hopital: edi weitz's code only recently got its own github repos when others took over the maintenance (mostly to ensure that it can be packaged into quicklisp). but a canonical place for cl-ppcre (and a handful of other lisp packages for doing "modern" programming) is
http://weitz.de/lisp.html assbot: Logged on 29-10-2015 14:20:46; asciilifeform: but if they do not, then the ~constellation~ of machines on which they happen, or at the very least, their control panels, are to then be called 'the workstation'.
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ascii_field: (supposing that you're not a mexican peasant who can harness them to the plough when they're six y.o.)
davout: so today, i had a customer complain by e-mail that he had trouble getting in front of everyone in the order book, and that it was a bad experience
davout: because some bot kept... getting in front of him
davout: "ohai, i'm trying to do X, and i get frustrated because someone automated X and is therefore doing it better than me, pls to change the rules accordingly"
davout: "In my humble opinion: these bots create a false market. They represent institutional greed offering no substantial increase in value per point nor do they offer any noticeable increase in liquidity. I also believe that they will chase your average human customers away, who like us, were trying to get the best price we could while at least trying to offer a better market"
☟︎ punkman: davout: do the bots rapidly cancel orders?
pete_dushenski: 'if a market isn't fair and equally distributive for all participants, it's not a market'
davout: pete_dushenski: lol, nice new pic!
pete_dushenski: davout: i think your besuited linkedin pic subconsciously inspired it
davout: #b-a is getting all corporate and shit I guess
pete_dushenski: davout: as long as we don't all have to wear ibm blue corporate suits and plain white shirts ;)
pete_dushenski: and in further 'let's all get along mkay'/'#b-a attitude is mean' news, some more lulzy comments in my direction from that (not so) random car blog :
pete_dushenski: "Pete seems to think that by attacking any and everything that many people hold dear, he is showing himself a free thinker who is exposing hypocrisy. But I think jz78817 provides a much clearer and simpler explanation of the behavior: total @ss-holeness, used as a defense mechanism for a total inability to get along with most, if not all, people."
pete_dushenski: "And if Pete’s ego gets fueled by what he might consider success in waging his “social experiments” amongst your other followers, I would expect that, like bad money driving out good, too much Pete D will result in a decline in participation by others who manage to take different viewpoints, and disagree, while not finding it necessary to insult each other, people’s countries, their religions, the attrac
pete_dushenski: tiveness of their children, and any and every other thing that might qualify as a button to press."
pete_dushenski: "To bad there isn’t such a thing as intellectual rugby…I would gladly try to field a team from people I have know, and let Pete do the same, and watch his eagle @ss get stomped into the ground before he could ever gain any altitude."
☟︎☟︎ davout: which conveniently boils down to "we need safe spaces to stop these micro-agressions"
☟︎ ascii_field: since pete_dushenski is awake, i suppose i ought to try to explain to him whatever it is that he doesn't seem to grasp re: my being a slave.
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2015 17:05:11; pete_dushenski: "To bad there isn’t such a thing as intellectual rugby…I would gladly try to field a team from people I have know, and let Pete do the same, and watch his eagle @ss get stomped into the ground before he could ever gain any altitude."
ascii_field: how did pete_dushenski arrive at the notion that i was ~not~ a slave ?
pete_dushenski: davout: lol commenter dood can't even imagine such a thing !
ascii_field: is it because i get to post weird shit on the net ?
pete_dushenski: ascii_field: never said you weren't, just that perhaps you're an upper class slave ?
ascii_field: newzflash: sometimes slaves are permitted their slave derpitudes in their cabins on plantation.
ascii_field: there is no such thing as 'upper class slave'
ascii_field: today i am permitted things, tomorrow - perhaps not
davout: ascii_field: after reading a bit about ancient rome i have to disagree
ascii_field: roman slavery has very little to do with the modern variety.
☟︎ davout: it was explicit, but i'd be curious to hear more about how it's in effect different
davout: other than today's slavery being implicit
assbot: Logged on 22-10-2015 16:54:16; ascii_field:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-10-2015#1305362 << nobody abolished slavery, ever. but a few generations of ascendant industrial degenerates ~did~ find a way to dispense with the parts they disliked - the ones where you have to actually care for your pets
davout: that doesn't mean there's no hierarchy among slaves
ascii_field: there can be no ~stable~ hierarchy among them.
ascii_field: master can lower any slave into pederasty when he likes.
ascii_field: idk, e.g., mircea_popescu's place above, e.g., mine, is pretty stable
☟︎ pete_dushenski: ascii_field: but you're not both slaves, nor both masters
ascii_field: my point is that 'anytime anywhere' is fucking nonsense
pete_dushenski: no one's saying that there isn't a fair degree of stability inter-class, rather intra-
pete_dushenski: that's a different argument than 'all slaves are low class slaves'
davout: ascii_field: you do have a fair level of control i'd say
pete_dushenski: ascii_field: you see that this would be a largely, if not completely, personal assessment ?
davout: and note that i'm extremely unqualified to speak on the subject, but it seems to me that as long as you behave, you don't get beaten up
pete_dushenski: can't-make-rent means foodstamps and midnight line-ups at walmart
ascii_field: davout: ANY TIME i can end up in the position of having to do ANYTHING, how the fuck is this so hard to grasp
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: the subtraction of EVERYTHING that you care about from your life is different from death how?
☟︎ davout: ascii_field: i guess i fail to see how, unless at gun point obv.
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: being places in a position where you can no longer meet your WoT obligations differs from death how ?!
pete_dushenski: this is no different than the position of the 'master' y'know
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assbot: Logged on 29-10-2015 07:47:35; mircea_popescu: that's why the fuck there are two parents : so they're not both mothers, and so that one of them says exactly that, and on occasion actually prevails.
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2015 08:33:50; mircea_popescu: (which is code for, you publicly humiliate them. that's the worst that can happen to a wanna-be journo. and in 2015 there exists nothing other than wanna-be in that biz.)
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2015 13:42:07; asciilifeform: yes, man doing the job of a machine because he is cheaper than the requisite machine - like the barge-men of the volga, pulling the rope with their own muscle, were cheaper than mules - needs to be 'conscientious'
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2015 13:44:50; asciilifeform:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310319 << how's this work? tlp is not a cocooned insect / teenage gurl, waiting to transform into some other type of creature, but - at least if his writing is any clue - a grown man with many-figured bills to pay.
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mircea_popescu: omaigerd anyone who would invite a 16yo into life is a psychopath!!1. which really masks "omaygerd being 16 is so fucking scary!111" which he can't confront. because 15. but maybe next summer, after camp...
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: excellent use of 'lemma' and 'palea' ;)
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: unless your intel folks told you something i don't know about tlp - his life is a pisspot because he lives and works in usaschwitz being veterinarian to the cattle, rather than because he fails to properly grasp the mechanics of 16 y.o. gurlz...
mircea_popescu: is this because i live in argentina, where no one flies ?
ascii_field: what does this 'live it' look like in practical engineering terms ?
mircea_popescu: is it because i eat the tainted food of argentines, who are the sort of people who don't fly, and probably for a reason ?
mircea_popescu: if only i had better food! like say blue food. who hid all the blue food ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field live it looks like nothing in "practical, engineering terms" of people who do not, for that very reason. what does a mechanism that will allow you to step on the moon look in practical terms, of chairs and stacking strategies ?
ascii_field: ^ this is precisely what i was trying to say !
Garmin: nope, ima human meat bot lol
pete_dushenski: Garmin: and what brings your meatness here this fine day ?
ascii_field: most recently in one with 'insanity' in the title iirc
shinohai: Don't believe him, Garmin resides in my radio
ascii_field: if i had a notable result, i might have posted it, no?
mircea_popescu: all the work and expense that goes into not saying anything at all...
ascii_field: as it is, nobody gives a fuck about 'i have done this' and this is proper.
Garmin: pete_dushenski < is tricked by shinohai meat bot AI =)
ascii_field: why share the things that compress so well with prior art.
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2015 13:57:12; asciilifeform: there is the basic truth, and there is, on top of it, a massive 'field' of exercises in self-delusion (e.g., 'whitening.')
ascii_field: (re: how rng-ness is not a mathematical property of the bits, etc.)
ascii_field: for some reason some people find the idea a very tough nut
mircea_popescu: rng is imo least understood part of the box. a sort of equivalent of magnetism in physics.
ascii_field: rng is merely ~one~ way to perform the function that it is for
ascii_field puts on sophistry gas mask with fresh canister
ascii_field: 'text' doesn't need to satisfy a compiler.
mircea_popescu: the ~ reason ~ "programming" decayed into its present shape IS THAT there is no difference to be had.
mircea_popescu: this sort of thing is what i MEAN when i say "understand rng".
mircea_popescu: nobody "in computing" seems to have understood or even wanted to think about "wtf is this text"
ascii_field: can describe 'text' as a program as well. simply with much larger valid phase space.
mircea_popescu: did you count alphs ? do you have a definition of alephs ?
mircea_popescu: do not speak to me without backing, for i will eat your words.
ascii_field: simply that is is a program for a certain kind of apparatus, where the instructions correspond to throwing glyphs on a display
ascii_field: the kind that takes octets and turns'em into glyphs ?
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2015 13:58:56; asciilifeform:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310704 << the n00b put in front of von neumann machine is told that the deterministic circuits will behave... well, deterministically. then five minutes later he learns about threads and the scheduler, and then never believes anyone again..
BingoBoingo kinda with alf in that Trilema text kinda needs compiled after reading to really be understood.
ascii_field: before any of this, it was a 'program' for an ibm selectric
mircea_popescu: what, if you arbitrarily chunk content into "humbers under 256" you've now done something ?
mircea_popescu: o i see. nominalism gonna save you from the buttrape ?
mircea_popescu: "by the power invested in me i hereby call him my 00000boyfriend! all is well now!"
ascii_field: what 'nominalism', it's a physical recipe to make the correct hammer fall
ascii_field: because apparently it is 1948 again and we need to
ascii_field: recall the thread about the line feed characters ?
ascii_field: we are still emulating the vt100, which in turn emulated this simple machine, telex.
ascii_field: though telex existed in the 30s, there are nazi examples preserved
ascii_field: so we can go there if we like. or to van kempelen's musical boxes if we must.
mircea_popescu: that's how we got in the fucking mess in the first place, if that's all you wqanna do how about we just microsoft.
ascii_field: what would a mircea_popescu-spec definition look like ?
ascii_field: and what better example can there be of illustration of the concept of 'program' than a music box ?
mircea_popescu: as opposed to illustrating what you see of the world with examples.
mircea_popescu: the problem of examples (symbols, generally, whichy is what they are) is that everyone looking at them understands their own thing.
mircea_popescu: whichy is how "EVERYONE" loved obama in 2009 and everyone hated him in 2011.
ascii_field: what's wrong with, e.g., 'program' == 'sequence of symbols, each of which corresponds to one particular action'
ascii_field: and yes, this is a kindergarten summary, and yes, if somebody pays for it, i can go and teach 'theory of computation' where we do 'symbol', 'language', 'formal automaton', etc. as rigorously as we want
mircea_popescu: again : if you're willing to do that TO BE SAVED from adversity in the field, why even bother taking the field! just continue the paradigm.
ascii_field: we can do any isomorphism we want - wanna do church numerals?
ascii_field: depends what kind of nut we want to crack, no ?
mircea_popescu: damned thing keeps changing, we started wanting to fix bitcoin
jurov: BingoBoingo: how is the batman exceptional?
jurov: the game, so it deserves qntra mention
jurov: if it had linux port, it could excessively swap or crash the kernel via gpu turd, too
jurov: so you said every failed port is now qntrable?
jurov: and saying that vuln in truecrypt management utility makes whole thing "fatally flawed to an unusable extent" is...
jurov: just an artistic licensa
mircea_popescu: mostly on the grounds of being 100% stolen from cambell and co, but anyway.
jurov: if BingoBoingo aims to demask sordid state of the IT "industry", describing the intel mandatory rootkit would do more than failed windows port of some obscure game
jurov: guess i should learn to submit such bits while they're hot myself
mircea_popescu: Campbell: "Atonement consists in no more than the abandonment of that self-generated double monster—the dragon thought to be God (superego) and the dragon thought to be Sin (repressed id). But this requires an abandonment of the attachment to ego itself, and that is what is difficult. One must have a faith that the father is merciful, and then a reliance on that mercy. Therewith, the center of belief is transferred o
mircea_popescu: utside of the bedeviling god's tight scaly ring, and the dreadful ogres dissolve. It is in this ordeal that the hero may derive hope and assurance from the helpful female figure, by whose magic (pollen charms or power of intercession) he is protected through all the frightening experiences of the father's ego-shattering initiation. For if it is impossible to trust the terrifying father-face, then one's faith must be ce
mircea_popescu: ntered elsewhere (Spider Woman, Blessed Mother); and with that reliance for support, one endures the crisis—only to find, in the end, that the father and mother reflect each other, and are in essence the same. The problem of the hero going to meet the father is to open his soul beyond terror to such a degree that he will be ripe to understand how the sickening and insane tragedies of this vast and ruthless cosmos are
mircea_popescu: completely validated in the majesty of Being. The hero transcends life with its peculiar blind spot and for a moment rises to a glimpse of the source. He beholds the face of the father, understands—and the two are atoned."
☟︎ ascii_field: jurov: intel's rootkit unfortunately in no way qualifies as nyooz
ascii_field: now, if, e.g., jurov dusted off his electron microscope & reversed the blob, ~that~ could be nyooz
jurov: oh, i have electron microscope?
ascii_field: the interesting bit is that the 'me' turd is not encrypted in the usual sense of the word
ascii_field: but merely compressed - with an unknown dictionary (the latter, in mask rom)
ascii_field: conceivably one could determine the actual instructions executed by the me coprocessor with dpa
mircea_popescu: publish that, let me get my money's forth for all the "bulletproof" bs qntra is on.
ascii_field: if someone pays for this to happen - it will happen. right here on my desk
ascii_field: but it's a bit thick for 'after dinner hack.'
jurov: what if S.NSA would wish to?
ascii_field: i'd put together a formal quote if i had the least reason to think anyone seriously were asking.
ascii_field: jurov: we're talking about 6 mo. to a year of full time wizardry.
mircea_popescu: 6 months, tax free, self directed costs more than one year, pre tax, have to commute sort of job ?
ascii_field: i must also point out, out of ordinary scientific integrity, that there could be no guarantee of finding buried treasure in that blob.
jurov: btw, sounds weird to me that no one'd pay 100k to try for such potential treasure
mircea_popescu: obviously this is a discussion at the wrong end of "everything costs more and takes longer" type of process.
ascii_field: or makes use of further, inner obfuscations yet unknown.
ascii_field: it is a discussion of a very unlikely thing. i can't picture why anybody would order this.
BingoBoingo: <jurov> BingoBoingo: how is the batman exceptional? << Dollars sunk into broken software.
mircea_popescu: you are essentially going "i wonder why nobody at the all-girls catholic school is willing to have sex in exchange of footage of other girls in the shower".
BingoBoingo: <jurov> if BingoBoingo aims to demask sordid state of the IT "industry", describing the intel mandatory rootkit would do more than failed windows port of some obscure game << This has to go "bigger"
mircea_popescu: wh ythe fuck would they ?! they need to see another cunt like you need a hair in your yoghurt
BingoBoingo: <jurov> guess i should learn to submit such bits while they're hot myself << Please do.
mircea_popescu: all the derps that this'd be interesting to are essentially on the same side of the same market : wanna make money (sex) out of their "skillz" (having a cunt)
☟︎ jurov: at least china would be doing it, no?
mircea_popescu: again - everyone to whom this would be useful has own re folks.
mircea_popescu: whether they're any good or this good or good i nany sense is aside, and really not the point.
ascii_field: and ~now~ possibly he also gets why i am chained to my meatwot
ascii_field: notice that nobody who needs something expensively reversed needs strangers for anything
ascii_field: or am i mistaken that you noticed this, earlier.
ascii_field: or possibly out of general grasp of the mechanics
mircea_popescu: see, why didn't I starve once my original meatwot gave out ?
mircea_popescu: oh i see. in a world of lizzards and wizzards, what's a girl to do!
jurov: mircea_popescu: you have had something expensively reversed?
ascii_field: but - unsurprisingly - he has his own people for this.
ascii_field: in the same way as he has the intel dept, mircea_popescucoin squad (whoever maintains that 0.6-compat. thing), etc.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field the important thing here being that it is not even expensive. it's free. for me. which is a large part of the problem - medieval knights didn't get paid in cash nor did they pay cash for the fees.
mircea_popescu: capitalism works well, but is not well suited to the tasks that feudalism requires.
ascii_field: if you ever feel like explaining, i promise to listen.
ascii_field: in case n00bz are reading this: nobody pays 100 tonnes for a reversing gig to some unknown for the same reason all 'assassination markets' are usg hoaxes
jurov: i never meant it that way
ascii_field: jurov: out of curiosity, what did you have in mind ?
jurov: i understand there must be a pool of scientists, as staff or in wot that must be reassigned to this
jurov: which pool must first exist in some form
mircea_popescu: not some form. specifically the following form : if you fail we all die.
☟︎ jurov: why it cannot happen such that mossad goes to tel aviv university and places an order?
mircea_popescu: jurov why can't it happen you go to neighbour's wife and place an order ?
jurov: how is that comparable<
mircea_popescu: not how this works. if you wanna call it nonsense, show where it doesn't work.
jurov: what you describe would be mossad going to german uni
jurov: mossad has files on all the professors?
mircea_popescu: stalker has files on all the celebs, does that mean they're sexually intimate now ?
mircea_popescu: (i suppose the deeply lame situation of secret servicemen in this regard has escape all notice prior ?)
ascii_field: jurov: one of the things to understand is that a, e.g., 100k r.e. job is really a transaction in ~silence~ far more so than in the deliverable as conceived of in this hypothetical.
ascii_field: see the old 0day market threadz, for instance.
mircea_popescu: one of the major wins of /me style b-a governance is that it actually nulls THAT ENTIRE silence cost bs. it's in the logs.
ascii_field: who the hell would pay for 100k reversing only to have the result made public ?
mircea_popescu: (and yes, cwcd, not possible w/o bitcoin, gpg, people involved, an actual infrastructure)
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i did not say nor was it implied that i'll make it public. merely that it is had.
ascii_field: you did say 'nulls the entire silence cost bs' ?
mircea_popescu: there's a difference between getting to see the koh i noor and knowing lord x owns it. or, to quote popfictionikia, "Another consideration was education. Before the late 1950s and the advent of the stately home business, very few working-class people had seen the upstairs of these great houses; those that had were there only to clean and serve, with an obligation to keep their eyes down, rather than uplift them and be
ascii_field: i'm not sure there ~is~ a difference re: e.g., an 0day
ascii_field: can't prove ownership without giving it away.
mircea_popescu: obviously no tool works for any purpose in any context.
mircea_popescu: actually, the thing is more valuable once known to exist.
jurov: i'm utterly lost on the sexual metaphor, but if mircea says no one is going to look closely to intel's silicon except under threat of death, i gotta believe him
mircea_popescu: jurov i am actually saying something very much like that, yes.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field outsiders are utterly a red herring. there exist no outsiders. reddit might as well not exist and everyone else reads the logs.
ascii_field: so idea is, mircea_popescu pays to have the koh-i-noor dug up, the fact of this matter is chronicled in the logz, and anyone who's anyone is to simply believe ?
mircea_popescu: situation a) item is shown theoretically to possibly exist ; situation b) item is alleged to physically exist in vaults of lord X.
mircea_popescu: in situation a, the value of item is to be calculated theoretically ; in situation b, the value of the item is "a little less than it costs me to get one myself". and it is VERY practical. because yes, you MUST keep up with the Xs.
mircea_popescu: and so therefore, going from a to b actually increases the market value of item. through a process known as "creating a market".
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the equivalent approach is to say item acquired a new property in going from a to b. in both it's the same thing, but in b it is also an exclusive good
mircea_popescu: whereas nobody can exclude another from possession of a theoretical item.
mircea_popescu: and now with exaples : aluminum is a theoretical metal.
mircea_popescu: the first box, gifted to napoleon, has no value (!= is worthless)
mircea_popescu: the NEXT box has a price. would napoleon have paid that for his box ? never.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: didja ever see the teaspoons ?
ascii_field: or the little Al pyramid on washington's monument?
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2015 20:43:37; mircea_popescu: well no, this is not even the angle here.
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2015 20:37:02; mircea_popescu: not some form. specifically the following form : if you fail we all die.
mircea_popescu: the angle here is that 6 months is a waste of time/resources in the present configuration to go chase that thing. pure scheduling matter, yes, it's valuable, no we can't fill the larder with brontosaurus.
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mircea_popescu: o wait, the dude that failed to get tenure at j p morgan university ?
mircea_popescu: yeah, plox to not insult the derps. gotta reference them correctly, whenever it's one of those idiots it should be "Blythe Masters, who claims to have invented Facebook", or "Erin Twinkletoss, who claims to have invented CDOs" etc.
mircea_popescu: it was erin was it ? or taylor ? what was the guy's name ?
mircea_popescu: did the cameron one get a sex change ? or is that the wachowski
mircea_popescu: could marry cameron diaz, they could go to conferences as cameron & cameron diaz-tinkletoss
mircea_popescu: "10 year study of inpatient kids: 44% got antipsychotics. Is that a lot? Yes. It's a lot."
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: what self-respecting психушка serves up something other than neuroleptic ?
mircea_popescu: You can wrack your brain trying to figure this out or blame the usual suspects, but the answer is right there in the article:
mircea_popescu: "Variables associated with antipsychotic use [included] male gender, age 12 years and under, being nonwhite, and a length of stay 13 days or longer."
mircea_popescu: You'll observe that none of those words is "diagnosis" or "severity."
mircea_popescu: The cause of these high levels of medications is so simple you'll recoil from the truth of it, but pour yourself a drink and take it like a man: the kids showed up. That's it. The kid is in front of you and you have to do something, now, that results in an acute change. Not better grades 4 years out, or less sadness over the teen years; change the sleep tonight, make the kid less hyper now, and when it "stops working
ascii_field: nobody canceled the good ol' chemical straightjacket
mircea_popescu: "When a kid is presented to a psychiatrist, the psychiatrist is pressured, obligated, to do something pharmacological. If a psychiatrist looked a single parent a joint away from a nap right in the eye and said, "nope, he's acting out because of X, Y, Z, and medications aren't going to fix this" that doctor will get his head handed to him by parent or by lawyer. Justice will be done, you negligent elitist."
mircea_popescu: i wonder how much of this is jenuine and how much mere malingering.
mircea_popescu: obviously i have no us clinical experience. i also have an apparent inability to represent how this'd work. seriously, doctor says "nope, he's acting out because of X, Y, Z, and medications aren't going to fix this" and the parent argues the point ? with the doctor ? just.... how ?
ascii_field: say a fella at butugychag stuffs his boot full of ammonal and blows off his toes, to avoid work detail in the quarry
mircea_popescu: but this isn't what this is. this is a doctor claiming he's being a contemporary rendition of fucking mengele because "the jews and the dogs expected it"
ascii_field: 'inject this blue paint in the eyes of this here 100 prisoners before you clock out'
mircea_popescu: i have no objection to anyone who ever prescribed neuroleptics in virgins to be taken straight off to death row.
ascii_field: in fact i'm pretty certain that it is happening as we speak a floor or so below where i sit
mircea_popescu: should be part of the test. no sexual history, no meds.
ascii_field: tlp's point, i think, was precisely that he isn't mengele and if he won't vivisect the screaming prisoner, he'll take his place
mircea_popescu: the mengele who knows he's doing wrong anf the mengele who "doesn't" are both mengele.
mircea_popescu: there is no "resistance through culture", you don't get to tell me "hey i knew all along X was a scam, i just promoted it ironically"
ascii_field: yes, 'following orders' defense failed at nuremberg
ascii_field: but on the other hand, they didn't hang all of germany
mircea_popescu: well most of it was dead. they however, you will note, RAPED THE REMAINDER.
mircea_popescu: the sort that go "oh wait, i was just ... being a woman"
ascii_field: point in making the distinction was to divide whom it makes sense to feed to giant squid, and whom - to 'reflash firmware'
ascii_field: this also calls to mind mircea_popescu's article about the fat train riders
ascii_field: becoming mengele's assistant, or tlp, or me - is a product of a long series of 'bad life choices'
ascii_field: none of which, taken individually, are necessarily '~the~ losing move'
ascii_field: just as no individual 'big mac' made the fat fella what he is
mircea_popescu: "so then... big macs are bad but hey i gotta eat and this one is not that bad right ?" sure.
ascii_field: a great many folks in this jail have literally no choice but to eat 'big mac' or die.
ascii_field: (it does not follow that they must eat 5,000 cal/day of them)
ascii_field: sorta what i tried to explain to pete_dushenski earlier today.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> but this isn't what this is. this is a doctor claiming he's being a contemporary rendition of fucking mengele because "the jews and the dogs expected it" << "Standard of care"
BingoBoingo: So what if the kids end up fucked in adulthood by a couple months or years of neuroleptic induced hyper-prolactinemia, telling the parents they suck would make the doctor the "uncaring monster" to the rest of the system
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no. standard of care is specificallty made to resist this, by the few people that are old enough to not want to soon have to explain it. the standard is "as practiced by reasonable minority"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Aha. You assume this is a medical system and not a medium of social control.
ascii_field: actually in usa 'standard of care' is now this.
ascii_field: has mircea_popescu ever read the memoir of general piotr grigorenko ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: prolly highest ranking псиxушка victim.
ascii_field: 'В подполье можно встретить только крыс' << mega-b00k. 'in the underground one meets only rats.'
ascii_field: aaaaanyway he describes his whole life, but i note him here for featuring the 'sane old generation' of shrinks who did not go along.
ascii_field: and in reasonable possession of most of his wits.
phf: conversation keeps arriving to the same point that the solution to local maximum is death. tlp makes those conclusions in "how to not be a narcissist", but then fails to see how it applies to himself with his own mengel situation. or to quote orr from catch-22 "How can he see he's got flies in his eyes if he's got flies in his eyes?"
mircea_popescu: i am kinda expecting to see "behavioural doping" or somesuch. if industrial pollutant is so cheap/abundant it actually creates an ecological problem, it is obviously only a matter of time before the large amts of discrete data (google db, cctv db, etc) are meshed together with substance dictionary to create optimized diets for advertising.
mircea_popescu: "we have noticed that if we spray X on Y the purchase of flat screen tvs goes up 15%"
☟︎ ascii_field: phf: i'd not be surprised if he 'solved' himself already.
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2015 20:05:19; mircea_popescu: completely validated in the majesty of Being. The hero transcends life with its peculiar blind spot and for a moment rises to a glimpse of the source. He beholds the face of the father, understands—and the two are atoned."
mircea_popescu: this is principally why women [used to] have an advantage over men. they actually experienced socially mandated death, to their benefit. it was the system which produced usable old bitties of the sort that kept say the jews alive.
mircea_popescu: kinda what the eleusine mysteries for instance tried to provide as a public good.
mircea_popescu: why the church ever caught on in god forsaken wastes such as those inhabited by the ru speaking folk. etc.
mircea_popescu: (yes there's a deep reason for the schism, no it has nothing to do with politics. the western church mostly provided laas, the eastern church baas.)
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 29-10-2015 21:42:20; mircea_popescu: "we have noticed that if we spray X on Y the purchase of flat screen tvs goes up 15%"
ascii_field: (assuming pete_dushenski is thinking of the usual formaldehyde 'smell of new car')
pete_dushenski: it's a testament to their branding efforts that sony electronics make me think only of recent james bond movies
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: when i was cleaning my shed.
pete_dushenski remembers that vintage of vaio for being incredibly spendy
phf: vaio was the last laptop you could jack into cyberspace with
pete_dushenski: this was when pentium badly outperformed ppc. intel easily had +30% clock speed.
phf: i had a picturebook, one of the c1 models
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2015 14:03:07; asciilifeform: this means a ROOM full of displays if you can swing it
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2015 16:44:39; davout: "In my humble opinion: these bots create a false market. They represent institutional greed offering no substantial increase in value per point nor do they offer any noticeable increase in liquidity. I also believe that they will chase your average human customers away, who like us, were trying to get the best price we could while at least trying to offer a better market"
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2015 17:05:11; pete_dushenski: "To bad there isn’t such a thing as intellectual rugby…I would gladly try to field a team from people I have know, and let Pete do the same, and watch his eagle @ss get stomped into the ground before he could ever gain any altitude."
Namworld: I got an email. I get it the game development has progressed
mircea_popescu: the proof that reddit is not the problem, i guess. random reddit nobody knows about waiting in the wings, to maybe one day be the reddit derps know about.
Namworld: Coinroll hasn't seen as much development as I would have liked, but jurov and wao are now on it.
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2015 17:05:20; davout: which conveniently boils down to "we need safe spaces to stop these micro-agressions"
Namworld: I don't mind testing the game whenever I have some free time.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> ... << more like "state promised us that if we smoke the pipe all will be fine. well... pipe is going out and what is this!11" << I refer to this phenomena as Shrem's Bong
Namworld: jurov, you never talked much about this
mircea_popescu: Namworld well, install it, ima make you an account then.
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assbot: Logged on 29-10-2015 17:09:03; ascii_field: roman slavery has very little to do with the modern variety.
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2015 17:13:01; pete_dushenski: there can be no stable hierarchy. anywhere.
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2015 17:13:50; ascii_field: idk, e.g., mircea_popescu's place above, e.g., mine, is pretty stable
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310888 << let me explain something to you. slave had some old bitties over for coffee, recounted the story to me. they wanted to know if she's married or has a man. she said no. i suggested she should have said he died in the war. "what war ?" "you know, the war". and then we joked about how it'd play from there, and eventually it came to me the thing to say to prevent fu
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 29-10-2015 17:17:00; ascii_field: is that you DON'T HAVE CONTROL
mircea_popescu: rther unwated inquiry is, of course, "that;s inappropriate". except... how do you say this in spanish.
mircea_popescu: answer : you do not. which takes us right to the reason most people do not learn a foreign language, or enjoy interacting with people whose language they do not speak.
mircea_popescu: as far as average person is concerned, their safety from being, eg, raped, is built entirely out of their belief in the magical power of a construct like that. it is not meaningful, but magical, in that it projects will and controls "the universe".
mircea_popescu: inasmuch as there's no spanish equivalent, what's to keep some dudes from busting into your house and taking all your holes on the kitchen table ?
mircea_popescu: same thing that prevents them anywhere else, obviously. but the subconscious does not really comprehend locks, or rifles, or anything so complex it needs a factory.
mircea_popescu: it does however understand magic. especially because magic specifically exists as a result of the subconscious' poor grasp of everything.
mircea_popescu: but other than this, to continue the prev thread, no, you do not have control, in the sense that there isn't a magical write-protect bit you set or unset at your will and unless you've unset it nothing can ever affect you.
mircea_popescu: it's often seen as a problem in idiots who imagien they can keep bitcoin at bay by saying (in some magical correct form, i guess) that "i do not agree" or "i am not inviting this devil in my house" or whatever. "that is not how debates work", what have you.
diana_coman: I'd have though it was much simpler than that mircea_popescu: most people don't like learning.
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2015 17:19:56; ascii_field: pete_dushenski: the subtraction of EVERYTHING that you care about from your life is different from death how?
pete_dushenski: even the established ~concept~ of regicide demonstrates the limited nature of 'control'
diana_coman: because they already have automated patterns ("learnt") on which they can operate in familiar situations
diana_coman: hence they don't like the unfamiliar, full stop
mircea_popescu: diana_coman quite exactly. "this wand doesn't even vibrate, what use is it!"
mircea_popescu: "well... it's not a vibrating wand, it's a firebolt wand" "CONSUMERS HAVE COME TO EXPECT!"
mircea_popescu: next thing you know you're either making your firebolt wands vibrate or go out of the mage business.
diana_coman: well, come to think about it: children ask "what is that?" all the time and guess what do they get mainly as answer
diana_coman: an explanation or experience of what the damned thing IS
mircea_popescu: they ask how babies are made, do they get a story or a demonstration ?
diana_coman: they ask what is that and what is the other
diana_coman: so they will logically derive at the same time
Namworld: I could see accidents happen with those 2 features combined
Namworld: [18:46] <+mircea_popescu> next thing you know you're either making your firebolt wands vibrate or go out of the mage business.
mircea_popescu: lol. nah, it'll just create a market for carpal tunnel potions.
Namworld: I meant a different kind of accident, but sure
mircea_popescu: iirc there was some guy burning his beard off with "revolutionary laser shaver" in the logs
☟︎ Namworld: Hmm, maybe I'm too stupid to enter a password... but this doesn't seem to work.
Namworld: I tried both email and username with that password
shinohai: !s "revolutionary laser shaver"
hanbot: Namworld btw check out #eulora
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2015 21:46:21; mircea_popescu: (yes there's a deep reason for the schism, no it has nothing to do with politics. the western church mostly provided laas, the eastern church baas.)
shinohai: thx pete_dushenski .... might buy a few hundred, duct tape them together and melt the white house
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2015 22:59:54; mircea_popescu: iirc there was some guy burning his beard off with "revolutionary laser shaver" in the logs
mircea_popescu: vaguely reminds me of the dude nubbins prosecuted, with the "hand made" laser etched wood clunks
vulpes_a_hopital: otherwise, the kids have a mother, and if she can't outperform the daycare you dun fukked up.
vulpes_a_hopital: there are seven year olds wandering my neighborhood at all hours of the day. unattended.
shinohai: In popular culture, known as "Paddy Wagons"
mircea_popescu: if i had kids there and they wanted money i would go "you can't have a penny until all those atrocities have been burned down"
shinohai: In Southern culture they use the term to exclusively refer to vans that haul off truants ....
mircea_popescu: "Scholars have questioned the validity or usefulness of the monomyth category.
mircea_popescu: According to Northup (2006), mainstream scholarship of comparative mythology since Campbell has moved away from "highly general and universal" categories in general.[13] This attitude is illustrated by e.g. Consentino (1998), who remarks "It is just as important to stress differences as similarities, to avoid creating a (Joseph) Campbell soup of myths that loses all local flavor."[14] Similarly, Ellwood (1999) stated "
mircea_popescu: A tendency to think in generic terms of people, races ... is undoubtedly the profoundest flaw in mythological thinking.""
mircea_popescu: anyone wants to know what happens if one dares END a field ?
mircea_popescu: answer : a bunch of ustards will swoop in, pretending the field didn't end and insisting field enders are badmkay and raceys on top of everything
mircea_popescu: "Others have found the categories Campbell works with so vague as to be meaningless, and lacking the support required of scholarly argument: Crespi (1990), writing in response to Campbell's filmed presentation of his model characterized it as "...unsatisfying from a social science perspective."
mircea_popescu: there's a "social sciences perspective" now, and i'm supposed to believe it is != granstmanship.
mircea_popescu: editor Alan Dundes dismisses Campbell's work, characterizing him as a popularizer: "like most universalists, he is content to merely assert universality rather than bother to document it. […] If Campbell's generalizations about myth are not substantiated, why should students consider his work?"
mircea_popescu: not unlike the ridiculous view of field grunts that hey, they know better than the chief of staff what's what, antin-intellectual "social scientists" a la dundes would like best an unsystematic AND UNSYSTEMATIZABLE "science"
mircea_popescu: because - obviously - it pays the best. from the perspective of the horde of chimps wishing to be professors of nothing in particular just as long as professors.
vulpes_a_hopital: cop stopped me and three friends skating in a church on a day off from school
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pet could just come over argue her stuff herself!
vulpes_a_hopital: and re problems in your world people can have problems for using linux
mircea_popescu: vulpes_a_hopital there's a bar cum laundromat somewhere in ohio
vulpes_a_hopital: no kid under 19 with a skateboard within twenty blocks of the thing is ever EVER bothered by the cops
mircea_popescu: there is, in this town, a place where they sell food by the pound. and you can get a pound of cooked shrimp for ~2 dollars.
vulpes_a_hopital: great pickup spot if you like socializing with people who a) do their own laundry and b) have it done somewhere far away from their place
vulpes_a_hopital: a but harnessing customers output to reduce the electrical bill has gotta be beyond any argentine
mircea_popescu: vulpes_a_hopital it'd be so great tho, Cuckolds' Gym and Hair Salon.
mircea_popescu: only accept couples, make the dudes work butt off on stationary to power wifey hair dryer.
pete_dushenski: borat over-the-shouler g-string in prison black and white stripes
mircea_popescu: a choice of either that or the same in hot pink, or rainbow.
mircea_popescu: ironically, this would prolly be a killer business in portland.
mircea_popescu: vulpes_a_hopital do what the usg does : differential leverage.
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mircea_popescu: ie, he has to provide 3% of the wattage, "we'll match your output 30:1!"