ben_vulpes: hm, sorry. i'm asking the wrong question. was there ever a "reward restart" bug discovered, where the reward effectively started over after the final subsidized block?
user_999123: i jsut want to know how i can keep my voice
mircea_popescu: user_999123 get registered with assbot, get rated, then you can self-voice.
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shinohai: ^Hopefully, he will bite off Gavin's penis.
mod6: asciilifeform: ok, im finally caught up to current on that one build we've been discussing. since last time we talked, I did hook up to both: -connect=195.211.154.159 -connect=64.85.171.71
mod6: I did get stuck a few times inbetween and i had to restart bitcoind, then it kept going.
shinohai: @ asciilifeform is there a stator binary available for pogo anywhere?
shinohai: Is it ok for private testing tho?
shinohai: Searching for it now. No worries on the HD format, I'm just using a spare one with nothing else on it naturally.
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assbot: Logged on 25-07-2015 13:56:36; mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-07-2015#1212302 << taxation is first and foremost a political activity. it is an economic activity as a very distant second. the noton that "it'd ok because we;re doing productive milking" misses the point by about the same berth as the notion that "it's ok, we don't need guns because we got money". this is simply not how the car works.
decimation: policies like income & capital gains tax can be seen as a method of exhausting potential suitors to power
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trinque: motherfucker... I google this AWS issue I'm having, and find myself bitching about said problem here two months ago
☟︎☟︎ trinque: their own tools barf incomprehensibly, as though they have diverged from the API
trinque: trying to register an AMI, already have the turds and manifest.xml on s3
ben_vulpes: "boto" in particular is rife with this.
trinque: what's that, repackaged rhel?
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hanbot: 3197e61aff68e988c611b6ef4c4d7092645804a800112435089da3af1a9ef2bea8fb6198de3f0ab17483e601cc1ce1a0e0afd4132607bdc7f6ef5d08953e1f83 ak47_05243673e45fc4c4ce30467f8ffc003deec1d184.sh.sig
hanbot: 3bace2da4885b2b2558816c7bb422a5158e3b3dca7b5ae1addea00818a475edac5639e1a3fe6c398b2100e1d8f6cee0f9e15e3ec597d2a45b5defc2b14a481b2 ak47_488e72a1a0f765c614518e0ca67bd733a4117e8f.sh
hanbot: google: No results found for "gpg: fatal: zlib inflate problem: invalid literal/lengths set"
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79780 @ 0.00057085 = 45.5424 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: you want the original script or sig file?
Bingo_VACAY: Shanghai no point biting PenTagon's penis. Preservved in USG lab as complaint and not intimidating
ben_vulpes: can confirm the sig is not what i broadcast.
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ben_vulpes: methinks jurov's turdolator is mutilating.
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mod6: Have a bunch of automated tests (cucumber) that now builds the new test bundle, verify, check binary, test -connect, dumpblock, eatblock. ima post a log here in just a bit.
ben_vulpes: msdos line endings in gpg or in the mailing list mutilator?
ben_vulpes: jurov: is the thing really running on windows?
mod6: i was pretty happy with postfix when i ran an mta like a hundred million internet years ago
hanbot: well, glad this was demystified, but
hanbot glares at prospect of having to install new package --just to verify gpg sig--
mod6: whole thing takes < 30 minutes to dl, build, & test.
mod6: at some point next month, i write up a guide on how to set up cucumber as well so any one else who wants to use this can do so on their own environment.
ben_vulpes: you're probably the only person besides me to ever run it
assbot: New Patent Pool Wants 0.5% Of Every Content Owner/Distributor's Gross Revenue For Higher Quality Video - Dan Rayburn - StreamingMediaBlog.com ... (
http://bit.ly/1DG95Qh )
decimation: they claim a 50% reduction in bitrates with 'equal mos'
ben_vulpes: you're not a pete_dushenski or a hanbot, why would you
decimation: so prepare for everythining multimedia to be a little shittier and more annoying in the future
decimation: yeah, obvious business pattern is obvious
mod6: <+asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: i confess that i have not attempted to run it << i haven't had a chance either. will give it a go this week.
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decimation: apparently it's been mooted to include this new HEVC standard into HTML5 - amazingly all of a sudden "flash" has been flooded with publicized exploits
decimation: it would be just like hollywood et al to conspire to 'move content' into a box they can milk
decimation: yeah but I've noticed an uptick in stories about it recently
decimation: I think they have a non-profit free version now?
decimation: would you recommend franz over the cl with the menorah?
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decimation: unfortunately it seems that the "cl logs" are quite scattered and need to be reconstructed by a student (unlike b-a logs)
☟︎ decimation: "Microsoft, the ruling king of mass marketed trinketware, are just surfing on the same tsunami that lifted Taiwan and Hong Kong from poverty into an inflated economy that just _had_ to crash down and wash out _enormous_ values some day.
decimation: see: winblows 10 : microsoft trying to remain relevant
decimation: heh yeah I was amused by the same paragraph, where naggum predicts the fall of micrsoft, that's more-or-less playing out now
decimation: of course, it's more than just a 'marketing gimmick', microsoft more-or-less requires all hardware to be painted with its binaries
decimation: yeah, if not this usg than another one
decimation: it's kinda like expecting the king to return to minting gold after pocketing it and giving you copper coins
decimation: if not in the king's hands than at least the hooker-n-blow dealers
decimation: but you make a point - the software industry (and usg in general) has mastered the art of wasting the productivity of its population
☟︎ ben_vulpes: re previous thread: "profits of 1% on revenues of 1 billion! we're rich!"
decimation: yarvin wrote about this pattern in the policy side of usg as the smartest bureaucrats exactly cancelling each other's efforts
ben_vulpes: rentiers are extracting all of the "productivity" gains.
decimation: it's even easier to steal 'having imaginary things been stolen from'
decimation: the vaguest precedent or bureaucratic ruling sews that business up
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decimation: "Each of their [the Western government's] decisions is an atom unto itself, made through an almost ritualized process by a large number of very intelligent, talented and ambitious people, whose abilities tend to cancel each other almost perfectly, leaving nothing but a chilling bureaucratic continuity."
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jurov: "In my research, I looked to see how old the idea was that medieval Christians believed the earth was flat....No one before the 1830s believed that medieval people thought that the earth was flat."
☟︎ jurov: asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: no turdatron runs on linux. so far all the cases happened on client, i won't mind this further until you say "i have checked my outbox and it's not mutilated there"
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assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 01:26:19; asciilifeform: or don't be surprised when it formats your hd
assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 02:26:44; decimation: policies like income & capital gains tax can be seen as a method of exhausting potential suitors to power
assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 02:55:08; trinque: motherfucker... I google this AWS issue I'm having, and find myself bitching about said problem here two months ago
assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 03:43:45; hanbot: google: No results found for "gpg: fatal: zlib inflate problem: invalid literal/lengths set"
assbot: You rated user hanbot on 30-Mar-2014, with a rating of 5, and supplied these additional notes: The forum loves her a lot..
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.hanbot.5:5c7030a162ab2367b81a4db0d5ef459ecaca547660a6d5397053e0a4d1428875
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for hanbot from 5 to 5 with note: extremely productive manual tester
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assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 04:32:09; asciilifeform: seems like it inserts 0x0d before any 0x0a
assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 04:45:09; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: iirc this is standard sendmail behaviour
mircea_popescu: Making matters worse, HEVC Advance says their licensing terms [listed in detail here] are “retroactive to date of 1st sale”
mircea_popescu: anyway, just more nails in the coffin of bullshiot "higher resolution".
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assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 05:24:04; decimation: unfortunately it seems that the "cl logs" are quite scattered and need to be reconstructed by a student (unlike b-a logs)
assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 05:29:00; asciilifeform: just as was the case after the fall of ibm.
assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 05:35:06; decimation: but you make a point - the software industry (and usg in general) has mastered the art of wasting the productivity of its population
mircea_popescu: the plain sad factual truth of the matter is, that there was no manna there to begin with.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: which is why all the charade and all the dancing. and yes the various jews, selected goats, ibms m$ and usg will be beheaded for this fault "of theirs",
mircea_popescu: just as soon as we're done with the festivals dedicated to their dressing up as the sacrificial goat.
mircea_popescu: but even after their blood gurgles, the fact will stand. there was no productivity there from they one.
mircea_popescu: they're not wasting anything, they're just giving a bunch of fuctards the illusion that they actually belong here.
mircea_popescu: which is, and has been, and will forever remain the only function, the chief utility and the very point of abstractions. it allows men to survive their fears.
mircea_popescu: just like women gotta "be sluts" or else your paniced bipedal dog is too afraid of black holes to stick his wee wee into the right hole, just so microsoft must be there for a hundred milion autistic schmucks to be even able to get out of bed i nthe morning.
mircea_popescu: what do you think the "human batteries" would have done, were they not "in the matrix" ?
assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 05:35:30; asciilifeform: the world of 1985, where there were a thousand ~state-of-the-art~ chip fabs, under two+ separate civilizational systems, and running perhaps a dozen ~entirely independently developed~ toolchains - isn't coming back
assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 07:58:50; jurov: "In my research, I looked to see how old the idea was that medieval Christians believed the earth was flat....No one before the 1830s believed that medieval people thought that the earth was flat."
assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 08:04:10; ben_vulpes: lo, it is mutilated in my outbox
mircea_popescu: " If we apply an interpreter of British understatements and general vagueness in preference to precision, however, I get the impression you're trying very hard to have an opinion about another company, which _does_ have royalties as part of their business model and that you are trying to invalidate that model by implication."
mircea_popescu: for the record, the notion that some twerps may charge "per runtime" is such corrosive nonsense i have no fucking idea who or why would ever defend it.
mircea_popescu: if i buy a knife, I OWN THE KNIFE. and whether i use it fifty times or three, whether i am the most frequent user of the knife or least, whether i make most money from its usage opr least, this is entirely my business.
mircea_popescu: trhis is not even a moral issue, or some sort of bullshiot about rights. this is the nudest, rudest self preservation at work. if you wish to force (and by allowing, you force) the knife maker to have opinions of knife usage, you have created the worst sort of socialist centrally commanded economy possible.
mircea_popescu: all that remains is one single entity which starts with the grassy knoll and ends with the satellite, and you will never EVER be able to make this wholly integrated pile of nonsense compete on any sort of footing with actual capitalism
mircea_popescu: the reason being, obviously, the eternal problem of unforeseen utility.
mircea_popescu: i personally knew my father was a retard when i was about thirteen, and he threw a fit insisting i "stop using tools for other purposes than they were made".
mircea_popescu: better exam of idiocy could scarcely be had. and so here we are. no "conditional royalties", no "apple store", no "charge for runtime" and none of that jazz. not because it's wrong, or evil. because it's stupid, and because it enacts an unsustainable model.
mircea_popescu: (and yes this is why tort laws are building socialism. "we sell you the coffee - if you kill yourself with it that's your problem" is the correct position, and what the courts should, and what the b,tmsr~ courts do enforce)
mircea_popescu: anyway, i think the proper thing to do here is pay out.
solrodar: mircea_popescu: I don't want to pester the developers to deal with something they're not really interested in
mircea_popescu: specifgically i will put asciilifeform, ben_vulpes and everyone else on notice to the following fact : if you don't effectually and effectively take delivery of these sorts of things, it's not that my 1 btc or w/e is wasted. it's thjat the remainder of my stash is wasted, because lo! i can not use it to direct activity. help me help you over here wouldja.
☟︎ solrodar: 1P1oJaEySqBCXcuyVVgKSyLYF7u2zKXzhW
mircea_popescu: b6f7f5ce3ab9bddf0bf5c32ec4b01d7ac5a590396ff87ae0a846975cd5303458 solrodar. thanks for your help!
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.solrodar.1:3745ab57e08eae963b7be27ddddf5bff092c528e3a67dc4da4239834813156ae
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for solrodar with note: callgraphing work
solrodar: !rate mircea_popescu 1 accepted call graph work
solrodar: !rate asciilifeform 1 accepted call graph work
mircea_popescu: actually looking at the ratings i would guess this was actually accepted and i just didn't get the memo. all the better.
solrodar: asciilifeform didn't like the graph layout but was willing to accept it as long as I released details of how it was produced
solrodar: but then he wasn't able/willing to test it himself
mircea_popescu: "Instead of being a guarantor of stability and long-term safety that each of us cannot build or even maintain on our own, policies in the information technology industries have turned into guarantors of instability and short-term profiteering, effectively betting the future on the fun we can have today, a massive lottery where everybody loses, especially the guy who wins $25 million and discovers that everybody else ha
mircea_popescu: s to _continue_ to play (read: lose money to) the lottery for him to get monthly installments." ahaha check it out, naggum gets infinitesimaly close to comprehending the nature of the bezzle.
solrodar: so I ended up two degrees of separation away from the person paying me :P
assbot: Logged on 24-07-2015 18:13:48; mircea_popescu: so now owner of palantir goes out and buys himself fiddy million twenty dollar hookers, amirite.
solrodar: !v assbot:solrodar.rate.mircea_popescu.1:24d08c2cc7479bebd8d5e585a0d284305faa1da8102b5954bc38dcb6ac186f50
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solrodar: !v assbot:solrodar.rate.asciilifeform.1:d36a041a380ad87f0b2260df1326ad3c6b92f187ad1ba29118587390d6d22fc2
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mircea_popescu: "The software industry has turned into a pyramid game because the government valuation strategies for software have penalized longevity. It has absolutely _nothing_ to do with the so-called "rapid pace" of the technological development. It isn't rapid and I'll dispute a claim of general development, too. It's all about marketing old ideas in new and ever more shiny wrappings, and nobody does that better than Microso
mircea_popescu: ft today. Their "innovation" is _purely_ restricted to more shiny wrappings, because that is where the money is in today's market." << ahaha yeah! check it out...
mircea_popescu: why is it that the greatest republic in history uses "antiquated" software from 1990 as in the case of gpg, why are we on irc, etc etc ? because rapid pace of what ?
mircea_popescu: if the past two decades of rapidpace never happened, we'd be in a much better position, not having to waste time trying to figure out how the fuck to even get static binaries made anymore.
mircea_popescu: man has a point. there has been NO inovation worth the mention, and no "HDTV" and stupid ass bootstrap don't count.
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chetty: pdp 8, wow blast from the past
gribble: Time since last block: 10 minutes and 13 seconds
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assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 09:59:19; mircea_popescu: nobody wants it, forget it. 720px wide forever.
assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 10:31:47; mircea_popescu: the plain sad factual truth of the matter is, that there was no manna there to begin with.
assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 10:38:43; mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213025 << it never left, you know. it's still here. if you're willing to take z80 as "state of the art", the whole shebang is still here. problem is you want a different state of the art, because we actually need it, because z80 mined bitcoin can't survive in the field. and so...
mircea_popescu: and the only reason i'd go to a movie theatre is to get a public blowjob.
mircea_popescu: or i suppose for the same reason i'd visit a viking boat.
shinohai: I haven't been to theatre in forever, but I do plan on going to see Hateful Eight.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i meant "still there" in a more abstract sense. yes there's not currently hay supplies and horse barns. but if need be - they can be.
mircea_popescu: this is very much unlike the situation of say, damascus steel
☟︎ shinohai: Because DDOS is the greatest tool of todays breed of 1337 haxx0rs.
mircea_popescu: can hit refresh in the meanwhile or do something else :D
shinohai: I'm actually following asciilifeform 's excellent tea advice today while doing pogo research. On my second pot already.
shinohai: I inherited one from my grandmother, wouldn't take a bzillion dollars for it.
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assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 15:46:22; mircea_popescu: this is very much unlike the situation of say, damascus steel
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pete_dushenski: "Barack Obama told Kenyans on his first presidential trip to his father's homeland that there was "no limit to what you can achieve" but said they had to deepen democracy, tackle corruption and end exclusion based on gender or ethnicity." << lulz.
pete_dushenski: that may be your intention, but that's not necessarily what comes across
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: and some of our household poisons are ingested intentionally and measuredly
shinohai: Every build I have tried so far has been smooth *except* for the pogo, pirate warnings be damned.
jurov wonders what warning/pictogram would alf put to a code actually controlling a thermonuclear device
jurov: lol first time i saw that. they prolly knew it's not suitable in this corner of world
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trinque: lol @ smiley on the nuke button
jurov: here they just slapped on various football (read: soccer) players and shakira
trinque: how hip and relevant of them
pete_dushenski: i honestly thought it was just a response to coke's bizarrely succesful 'names' campaign
jurov: dunno, maybe shakira would be suitable pictogram for nuclear device too
pete_dushenski: i didn't get the 'emoji' tie-in till i just tried searching for images a minute ago.
pete_dushenski: seems ddg does the same stupid link stealing that goog does...
trinque: gotta snag those outbound clicks
trinque: I bothered to take the first myers-briggs test on your penultimate post
trinque: got ISTP this time, whereas in the past INTP
trinque: was interesting, I hadn't read that profile before, and it seemed to fit rather well
trinque: the difference seemed to address a need I have for picking the damn thing up, breaking it, so on, to understand fully
mircea_popescu: speaking of condoms... for many years, i was using imported magnums. broke like...i dunno, twenty over a decade ? easily 1%.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: for the past year or so, using local stuff. never broke one. went through 2-300 by now.
pete_dushenski: i dun think i ever broke more than one magnum in all my years.
trinque: I find the damn things extremely annoying
shinohai: iirc, weren't condoms formerly made of sheep intestines?
trinque: but maybe this is due to inferior american condom stock
shinohai: Well, guess I'll just rinse this out and stretch it over the end of the broom to dry ....
pete_dushenski: "we've forgotten how two women from California ran a firm that pioneered influential practices such as attention to product aesthetics, vertical integration (Vector has its own in-house software developers), and establishing training networks, providing packaged PC solutions, and treating employees like an extended family. Some of what Vector pioneered is now intertwined into the tech industry's DNA. Thanks to V
pete_dushenski: ector, the origins of the personal computer cannot be separated from the story of women in technology. The personal computer has always belonged to all of us." << speaking of women.
mircea_popescu: amusingly, anyone ever orange/lemon/etc juice on condom ?
shinohai: I haven't. Does the acid do something unique?
mircea_popescu: shinohai yeah, it ruins the polymer, you end up with a milky white, brittle thing
assbot: How Two Bored 1970s Housewives Helped Create The PC Industry | Fast Company | Business + Innovation ... (
http://bit.ly/1I2Xpsw )
trinque: every shartup in the valley has someone who thinks he's jobs
mircea_popescu: "how X did Y that they never actually did but hey, marketing!"
mircea_popescu: "how obama made sense in english" "how putin doesn't understand how the world works" "how a bored housewife discovered the secret barbers hate"
trinque: looking at where it ended up, I don't really have that much respect for Jobs
trinque: worlds most profitable toy company
trinque: his notable qualities were what, having an eye for art and being "mean"?
mircea_popescu: don't knock "being mean". it alone is enough to succeed in twerpland.
trinque: sort of what I meant by it
trinque: imagine if he'd been mean and understood a computer at the same time
trinque: come on, lets get asciilifeform a turtleneck
chetty: how many dont even care if he is alive or not?
jurov: maybe he secretly let deep froze himself
trinque: I think he saw a computer as an appliance
trinque: wanted to make sure the buttons on the thing were designed just so
trinque: the utter lack of programmability (automator? lol, fuck off) shows they did not even consider how a thinking person would use the thing
trinque: as an appliance, the thing should obviously have one button labeled "cook", and no thought required from there
trinque: so here I am in 2015 with stumpwm stapled to emacs, blood leaking from the field sutures
jurov: if only two nerds could agree on best tools and practices...imo other professions have much less fragmentation
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trinque: jurov: need an environment where the nerd can develop his own tools/practices
trinque: hooks... on goddamn everything
jurov: really, reinvent everything?
trinque: not everything; the layer commonly referred to as the user interface should be a programming interface
trinque: nothing that hasn't been said and done before
trinque: asciilifeform: indeed, you've said this well throughout
jurov: editor and user interface are actually only small part of toolset
trinque: this joke I'm working with currently is the shanty-house I cobbled together out of scrap metal
trinque: jurov: an example, I have keybindings for various stages of various workflows
trinque: wrote a shitty tool called summon which can launch things, arrange them, switch between layouts, so on
trinque: I don't wanna arrange my goddamn tools each tie
trinque: and I will never release summon, because it's a piece of shit
trinque: jurov: lets say I like this particular web site's regex tester, and I want that in a particular spot each time I am editing a regex in emacs
trinque: I want it gone when my cursor leaves, all that
trinque: I'm trumping up an example that demands composable behavior across several programs
trinque: from where I sit currently, I wouldn't even bother
trinque: far from impossible, yet cost is too damn high for me not to lose interest by the time I'm squirting JS at a browser from emacs
trinque: now sum that across my career... how many superior ways of working have I *not* developed because the time involved didn't feel worth it?
mircea_popescu: re that image, i notice i've mostly been using... nano
mircea_popescu: am i correct in reading between the lines of hanbot's efforts that in point of fact someone carefully packaged a debian/ubuntu "equivalent" of the gcc package that allows static linking which in point of fact and quite pointedly DOES NOT allow static linking ?
mircea_popescu: but making packages that purport to be equivalent and then miss parts seems a bit cosmic ray-y
mircea_popescu: not like they accidentally forgot to include nigger-super-systems
wywialm: hi, I'm sure it has already been somehow settled - what is recommended instead of debian?
wywialm: I know you once recommended debian sarge. Would you recommend wheezy now?
mircea_popescu: i just said i used to use it. and nah. i'd still recomend sarge o.O
mircea_popescu: but really, the official ba os is still an open ended question
trinque: openbsd dead yet? I just grew to like it, so I'm sure it must be
wywialm: I one got fascinated by asciilifeform's project inspired by OpenGenera - is it still active?
wywialm: perhaps I misunderstood you, but I read that you plan to design a sane os and (in other blog posts) pointed to opengenera as an example of such system
wywialm: is LoperOS project active then?
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trinque: in other news, I think the db project I've described was us inventing a shittier metaobject protocol in SQL
trinque: as it happens, I have those two books gabriel_laddel recommended on the way
trinque: I'm growing convinced that CLOS plus something intelligently mapping objects into and out of memory does everything I've ever called "database"
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 10:59:15; mircea_popescu: specifgically i will put asciilifeform, ben_vulpes and everyone else on notice to the following fact : if you don't effectually and effectively take delivery of these sorts of things, it's not that my 1 btc or w/e is wasted. it's thjat the remainder of my stash is wasted, because lo! i can not use it to direct activity. help me help you over here wouldja.
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trinque: and isn't this exactly what happens any time someone tries to make a "declarative" language
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assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 19:11:55; trinque: I'm growing convinced that CLOS plus something intelligently mapping objects into and out of memory does everything I've ever called "database"
ben_vulpes: trinque: "but single host isn't web-scale!"
gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: trinque: one *could* do some tests on manardb to see if this strategy it is speedy enough for the problems you've got
gabriel_laddel: I've a list of programmers included in the "info" tab of the program I wrote for work. The idea being that if I"m not around and something goes wrong, they contact one of these people. Let me know if you want to be on that list.
assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 02:55:08; trinque: motherfucker... I google this AWS issue I'm having, and find myself bitching about said problem here two months ago
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ben_vulpes: so long as they cough up ~.6 btc/hr, sure.
ben_vulpes: or the bezzlequivalent. i ain't picky - food credits is food credits.
ben_vulpes: "call this guy who knows thing about my codebase but probably can handle it"
gabriel_laddel: I'm mentioning this because people say it's so goddamn hard to get CL work, which I have not found to be the case.
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: i'd probably bite it off myself, simply because there isn't much by way of CL horsepower around the shop.
ben_vulpes: that said, give me six hours and i can figure out whatever's in flight and load it into someone else's head.
ben_vulpes: good way to minimize single points of failure.
ben_vulpes: it's the 'work' part you really object to, let's be honest here.
ben_vulpes: cranks need turning, no avoiding that.
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: did you see the libuv folks are colonizing cl?
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: No one ever gets called to extend a program's feature-set? Nonsense.
gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: I don't know anything aobut libuv and as such didn't comment.
ben_vulpes: the "async" cl webserver the nodebros are banging on about blocks the repl when instantiated in a cl-async 'event loop', unlike how hunchentoot starts a server and then returns on threaded sbcl.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: well the cranks that turn the cranks need to be written, and then the machine that turns the meta-cranks built.
ben_vulpes: (as:with-event-loop (as:await (sleep 3))) will indeed block.
ben_vulpes: i suspect that they're not using emacs, but rather doing the "compile, run" thing.
ben_vulpes: looks like braindamage, smells like braindamage, can't say as i care to dig further into it when there are food credits to scrape up elsewhere and the scraping to automate.
assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 22:16:44; ben_vulpes: the "async" cl webserver the nodebros are banging on about blocks the repl when instantiated in a cl-async 'event loop', unlike how hunchentoot starts a server and then returns on threaded sbcl.
gabriel_laddel: I can't wait for the inevitable blog post about how "CL isn't really all that good" and "the language has serious problems and a lack of tooling"
gabriel_laddel: Yep. Him and many others. One rubyist had a particularly entertaining one where he complained about Naggum (who had already passed) being "toxic for the community".
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ben_vulpes: (i happen to enjoy the amount of study that writing cl takes)
gabriel_laddel: "... a magnificent job. I have never seen a language description that is more complete or more precise, yet each chapter is throughly enjoyable and subtly witty. The book is absolutely indispensable for all serious LISP students and users; its high quality is a major reason why Common LISP is *the* LISP of the future" - Patrick Henry Winston
shinohai: I don't see mp as "toxic", he merely destroys the illusions people have of themselves and leaves them standing with the truth of what they are.
shinohai: Oh I know. Anything that measure up to the r/bitcoin status quo is automatically "trolling" or "toxic to the community".
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