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ben_vulpes: lobbes: for so long as a customer is paying pizarro is the intention
mircea_popescu: hey, i got good news for you : a) BingoBoingo escaped to uruguay on the strength of pizarro ; and diana_coman started her s.mg career as an effectual player.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-20 19:49 mircea_popescu: ~technically~ pizarro is blocked (rather, protected) from the need to act by, indeed as pointed out, i having rented it in my own name. "for him" or not, pizarro's not held to care. but this was a palliative in place specifically because i expected something in this vein, the fellow is very phenomena-driven, sorta like the brains of frogs only work when there's ligjht bombarding the retinas and thereby powering the rest of th
a111: Logged on 2018-05-20 18:48 lobbes: mod6: re pizarro wot policy: so you're saying positive lordly ratings do not cancel out negative lordly ratings? i.e. rule is simply: "any lordly negrate disualifies?"
mircea_popescu: ~technically~ pizarro is blocked (rather, protected) from the need to act by, indeed as pointed out, i having rented it in my own name. "for him" or not, pizarro's not held to care. but this was a palliative in place specifically because i expected something in this vein, the fellow is very phenomena-driven, sorta like the brains of frogs only work when there's ligjht bombarding the retinas and thereby powering the rest of th
a111: Logged on 2018-05-20 18:01 mod6: mircea_popescu: how should Pizarro handle this, in your opinion, given the last conversation about this?
mod6: let's take the rockchip discussion into #pizarro
mod6: So, what we're saying then is, if someone rents a box for someone else, and that someone else gets neg-rated, then it's up to the renter to figure it out? What if the renter says, "hey fuck what pizarro and its customers think". Does Pizarro not have a say in it's own customer usage then?
mod6: Pizarro shall follow the rule and remove access to that scammer. Simple as that.
diana_coman: mod6, my reading is that pizarro does business with mp here though, not with douchebag
lobbes: mod6: re pizarro wot policy: so you're saying positive lordly ratings do not cancel out negative lordly ratings? i.e. rule is simply: "any lordly negrate disualifies?"
trinque: and douchebag, sounds like you have another lord from whom to ask forgiveness; pizarro account is still in peril
lobbes: re wot: I mean, the serenity of leveraging the wot, imho, is that it is a purely individual-to-individual thing by design. In this case, you have Pizarro (P) who has customer relationships with MP and D. D has been negrated by T on the basis of Tx. MP can either decide 1) Tx means enough to request P get rid of D, in which case P now determines if it values MP or D moar, or 2) MP decides Tx does not mean enough to request P get rid of D.
mod6: Was just trying to avoid (perhaps stupidly) some Pizarro gyrations.
douchebag: I already have a webserver running on my pizarro box. I just don't know how I'm supposed to unpack mpwp
mod6: mircea_popescu: how should Pizarro handle this, in your opinion, given the last conversation about this?
mod6: This is not a negotiation. Just asking what the deal is. Cause Pizarro is going to end up removing him from the hardware.
deedbot: Invoiced ben_vulpes 0.6076 << http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-5-18#358430
BingoBoingo: !!invoice ben_vulpes 0.6076 http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-5-18#358430
lobbes: This I am not sure of. My gut says a small percentage of each sale, but I've no idea what constitutes a "standard percentage" here. I am also a) inexperienced in sales, and b) motivated on the basis that the tmsr crisis isn't really over until a profitable Pizarro exists, so I'm pretty open on terms >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-17#1814925☝︎
lobbes: lol, so he does >> http://personajeshistoricos.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Francisco-Pizarro-13.jpg
lobbes: I slapped together the following if you'd like to use: http://lobbesblog.com/static/pizarro_demo_logo1.png, http://lobbesblog.com/static/pizarro_demo2_logo2_w_sword.png >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-18#1815212☝︎
asciilifeform: mod6, ben_vulpes : maybe odd q, but do we have a pizarro logotype ? i'd like something in the vein of http://nosuchlabs.com/fg/snsa.jpg to put below same on phuctor www
a111: Logged on 2018-05-17 20:56 BingoBoingo: mod6: Well pizarro got billed for the dentist. The doctor is out of my pocket. Part of the idea is getting these things off of Pizarro's line and into my own.
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> yeah, it's fuckin tricky, though. i'm trying to estimate what could reasonably be packed into uy1 from a shared shell and ftp perspective, but i think 20 shell accounts and 100 lower-end ftp-only accounts is probably the max that box can carry without overbooking it, and if we can get to that point within a year i'll be pleased as punch, as it'll cover a significant fraction of the whole pizarro operation's << Sweet
ben_vulpes: yeah, it's fuckin tricky, though. i'm trying to estimate what could reasonably be packed into uy1 from a shared shell and ftp perspective, but i think 20 shell accounts and 100 lower-end ftp-only accounts is probably the max that box can carry without overbooking it, and if we can get to that point within a year i'll be pleased as punch, as it'll cover a significant fraction of the whole pizarro operation's
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-17 21:23 BingoBoingo: <mod6> And the per-diem money, if we can get it to "reasonable bump" per month, is a done-deal in my opinion. << I am willing to table the future incentive so you can come up with something more favorable to Pizarro than 1 integer BTC.
BingoBoingo: <mod6> And the per-diem money, if we can get it to "reasonable bump" per month, is a done-deal in my opinion. << I am willing to table the future incentive so you can come up with something more favorable to Pizarro than 1 integer BTC.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: elaborate re what's wrong with normal btc ( you can sell it now, or later, or convert to whatever suits you ) << Normal BTC is fine for this, but for pizarro's sake I am denominating this in Dosiedoes
a111: Logged on 2018-05-17 20:40 BingoBoingo: mod6: The core components I am looking for are 1) A lump sum now or in the near future so that when http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-17#1814853 comes I am not caught horribly undercapitalized. 2) an increase in the daily per diem to an amount that includes breathing room 3) Something sort of future award contingent on staying here. And apartment was not figured into that because it is unclear if Pizarro wants to get an apartment or if
BingoBoingo: mod6: Well pizarro got billed for the dentist. The doctor is out of my pocket. Part of the idea is getting these things off of Pizarro's line and into my own.
BingoBoingo: Pizarro wants to get BingoBoingo an apartment.
BingoBoingo: mod6: The core components I am looking for are 1) A lump sum now or in the near future so that when http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-17#1814853 comes I am not caught horribly undercapitalized. 2) an increase in the daily per diem to an amount that includes breathing room 3) Something sort of future award contingent on staying here. And apartment was not figured into that because it is unclear if Pizarro wants to get an apartment or if☝︎
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: look back to the thread where i gave the current shared-box scheme: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-3-22#317360
ben_vulpes: hostingdiscussion.com at least has a user-enumerable db, but i don't know if an automated approach would get pizarro blacklisted, or even if we care, right? can make another account and pick up where left off.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo, why do you suspect pizarro can pay something like that ? << The idea is that there is a path for pizarro to get revenue. If pizarro can´t afford something closer to that than the current arrangement, I suspect they can't afford to keep someone in Uruguay.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, why do you suspect pizarro can pay something like that ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sure, but to approach them on behalf of Pizarro, Pizarro's gotta have something for me to ask of them.
BingoBoingo: If you are looking for a temporary liquidity source though, have you considered pete_dushenski? He might be interested in the opportunity to buy BTC from Pizarro.
BingoBoingo: put some of my idle time into compiling reports on Pizarro's options for accomplishing certain goals (getting a UY corp, etc) I can do that. I need clarity of instructions.
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-17#357607 << if this is in reference to my and BingoBoingo's warrants from the first month of operations, pizarro covers BingoBoingo's rent and fodder, and doesn't pay me at all; it is a trade of cash for equity.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-17 06:25 mircea_popescu: mod6, anyway, to answer some angle of the question asked, rather than "the question read between the lines" -- pizarro wirh 8 something btc in cash whatever it is does not specifically require more cash to confront a 1.x expenditure and some months of .5 each overhead or w/e it is. the fact that you two are committed to further putting money in as need may be is utterly sufficient, as far as i can discern. ymmv, but you asked.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-17 05:56 mircea_popescu: now currently you're engaging in a boatload of pussyfooting around the fact that pizarro doesn't need more capital as it is ; and the only conceivable function more capital could possibly serve as things stand is to give you some other excuse to not get sales going.
mircea_popescu: mod6, anyway, to answer some angle of the question asked, rather than "the question read between the lines" -- pizarro wirh 8 something btc in cash whatever it is does not specifically require more cash to confront a 1.x expenditure and some months of .5 each overhead or w/e it is. the fact that you two are committed to further putting money in as need may be is utterly sufficient, as far as i can discern. ymmv, but you asked.
mircea_popescu: now currently you're engaging in a boatload of pussyfooting around the fact that pizarro doesn't need more capital as it is ; and the only conceivable function more capital could possibly serve as things stand is to give you some other excuse to not get sales going.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 16:35 mircea_popescu: so agree that you'll each add another 5btc as circumstances merit ; then pizarro has all the backing it needs and a clear path to success. and if the circumstances "merit" in the sense that it needs rescuing rather than it's expanding, you can fire the management and get someone else or w/e.
mircea_popescu: and yes, pizarro can issue bonds in general. who buys them depends on who pizarro wants to sell them to.
mod6: This is something that would be figured out at some later date (the conversion rate). However, can Pizarro issue bonds just to me? Or does there need to be a tranche of them offered otherwise?
deedbot: http://danielpbarron.com/2018/irssi-on-pizarro-shared-hosting/ << Daniel P. Barron - irssi on pizarro shared hosting
mircea_popescu: so agree that you'll each add another 5btc as circumstances merit ; then pizarro has all the backing it needs and a clear path to success. and if the circumstances "merit" in the sense that it needs rescuing rather than it's expanding, you can fire the management and get someone else or w/e.
mircea_popescu: the fact that pizarro is actually well supported is the principal part, for its commercial credit. otherwise, it can't well spend even the 10 it has so far, 1.5 or so go to the rockchips, then it's all "get sales going".
mircea_popescu: well then pizarro is doing fine!
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6, you see holes in ye logic ? << Sounds good. I think that s.nsa building the chassis then we do it as stated is fine. (unless I misunderstand). Pizarro will pay for these in cash. I agree too on staying away from the equity buys as well.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have nothing against 's.nsa owns 10%' scenario, early in the game it was a much-needed breathing room for pizarro. but would like to avoid the situation of the well-known children's physics demo, with the two connected balloons.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, anyway, an' ftr, if your concern is that you're underweight pizarro, you can just as well do a second round. see if mod6 wants to either a) give it more btc or else b) move into a minority position. pizarro would certainly benefit from a larger piggy giving it more solidity etc, so you can do another 10-20 round either by yourself if mod6 is agreeable or else match together or any which old way. this isn't an u
mircea_popescu: or else universe 2, whereby chassis for pizarro is produced by you as free agent. in this world we have to now explain what nsa actually is, which becomes a rather difficult task, and pizarro will have to sell its bonds on market, to whatever discount.
mircea_popescu: practically the situation here is this : we can either live in universe 1, whereby chassis for pizarro is produced by you for nsa, and sold by nsa to pizarro. in this world nsa stays what it always was, as above, and pizarro can (at practically your option, as i can go either way) pay with undiscounted bonds for cash-equivalent mateirals ;
asciilifeform: the 'i dun like the endgame' observation was specifically in re the scenario where s.nsa ends up swallowing pizarro.
asciilifeform: this isn't actually the problem, pizarro ( and other l1 folx ! thank you ! ) supplied asciilifeform in recent times with 100% of the btc-buying opportunities he can digest
mircea_popescu: well how much pizarro has in the way of cash isn't changed by ooooh i see the problem, you hafta recirculate this is it ?
asciilifeform: i will admit however that i dun particularly like the endgame i see in this, where let's say s.nsa sponsors, produces, and sells to pizarro the iron for shares, ends up owning ~100% of pizarro, and asciilifeform doesn't see a dime of profit until ( merely for starters ) he can even afford mpex acct ( which is a major if, rather than a when, it is quite possibly that neither i nor anyone else will ever actually earn 50 btc , and this
mircea_popescu: yes, but what's the significant problem with nsa selling pizarro custom built chassisen ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: idea is that a working ( built out, and populated ) pizarro, could , in principle, eventually free asciilifeform from the unspeakable nonsense on which he burns most of his time currently.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-16 05:03 mircea_popescu: incidentally asciilifeform is nsa fabricating chassisen for pizarro ? or is asciilifeform of his own independent self ?
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-16 02:22 lobbes: but yeah, I'm almost always interested if pizarro needs some lulazon materials ordered
mircea_popescu: incidentally asciilifeform is nsa fabricating chassisen for pizarro ? or is asciilifeform of his own independent self ?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: for the love of all that is holy i hope you mean "pizarro bought all teh extant fg" and not "all the fg that will ever be already are"
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-16 02:22 lobbes: but yeah, I'm almost always interested if pizarro needs some lulazon materials ordered
trinque is willing to buy btc via pizarro again, as he has already.
lobbes: but yeah, I'm almost always interested if pizarro needs some lulazon materials ordered
lobbes: mircea_popescu, well, optimally I'd be buying a little btc every certain frequency. Just converted some fiat a month or so ago though buying for pizarro
mircea_popescu: you think amazon doesn't have exactly the same problems as pizarro ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, might be an idea to put the fellow on the pizarro warrants list, considering impact.
mircea_popescu: mod6, one way of looking at it is, "pizarro finds l1's in exile". you know ? "<h1>Pizarro</h1><h3>Welcome Home.</h3>"
mod6: I'm just trying to figure out if Pizarro has enough cash to get 48 of these down there.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi how this works, but pizarro seems to be getting ever less for ever more money.
asciilifeform: fact of the matter is, for the price of pizarro rockchip, heathen can get 5x the cpu with 10x the bandwidth in heathendom. how to persuade him to instead buy this ?
mircea_popescu: the problem as far as i discern it is, "not only there's no conversation going, but the mutism threatens to entrench itself as a 'way to be', and it's not sustainable". when's the last time pizarro talked to anyone ? gotta talk to people, somehow, somewhere. silence is a first approximation of death.
mod6: I believe this is probably a good way to get Pizarro into better financial shape, but it's hard for me to imagine how this works.
mod6: And I guess, it is not up to me how Mr. Vulpes wants to track these things for Pizarro, however, if I'm asked to make decisions, I EXPECT that these things are clear, in plain language.
ben_vulpes: i'm going to do it in postgres; should be a lot easier to get php to do both the mysql for the pizarro mpwp and the postgres for deedbot than to port deedbot to mysql
ben_vulpes: mk, makin some progress on the pizarro accounting/assettracking db
mod6: not even seems like, did report errors. see #pizarro.
mod6: (all the details are in #pizarro)
ben_vulpes: i crunched some numbers, and i think it's going to cost around 3 btc to put the production rockchip plant together and get it down south, all based on 4 2U's with 24 rockchippen each, transpo of ~2.5kusd and per-chassis fab costs of ~800usd. i think with the outrageous success of the rockchip pilot plant pizarro's in a *great* spot to refinance per mircea_popescu's suggestion, to provide for the production
mod6: asciilifeform: I did bring back tb0t here. I think I just forgot to restart it after some planned downtime on my host. Anyway, if we wanted to use it for Pizarro, I'm open to that but it may need some alterations.
ben_vulpes: user decrypts, leaks, their problem. set a session key, broadcast data unencrypted, leak is pizarro's fault
asciilifeform: and ditto if you have a rsa key, and a set of captured outputs of www....pizarro/$fp/ , you can match'em up
asciilifeform: ( if you have a set of $fp values, you can enumerate which have acct at pizarro )
asciilifeform: pizarro/$fp leaks just the same, neh?
ben_vulpes: but, and many details not designed at this rate since you press me, something along the lines of pizarro/$fp/ renders an encrypted account status including support tickets
asciilifeform: well it wouldn't be a pizarro wot identity ( multi-owner privkeys are problematic ) but rather a ' ben_vulpes-pizarro '
ben_vulpes: i've been thinking about a pizarro wot identity, yes
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if $luser won't irc, how is he to access pizarro for support/maintenance/payment q's ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: prospective pizarro user gets into wot. so there's the key.
ben_vulpes: http://pizarroisp.net/index.php/2018/05/04/pizarro-statement-april-2018/ << updated
BingoBoingo: !Q later tell pete_dushenski I forgot to ask... Did you want to rack a time standard of some sort with Pizarro? A lot are already 19in 1U rackmount. Can plug it into a rockchip.
mod6: Who wants to rent the last Rockchip available rockchip @ Pizarro? Let us know! First come, first serve.
BingoBoingo: But yeah, in the Pizarro rack would be insanity. For miners in Uruguay to work it would be necessary to take the dam at Salto and mine with the power that would have gone to the Argentine side.
danielpbarron: i just gave a shoutout to pizarro on l0de