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mircea_popescu: it all sprung out from the "how would the deedbot pizarro service look like" consideration.
mircea_popescu: i guess "this cat not worth the skinning", in general, maybe. sure, not like the current model is that broken. but if you're going to support things like #pizarro, deedbot pming new names is way the fuck better than pizarro website or sales funnel including a "and then send !!up to deebot" etc.
PeterL: at least now I can join #pizarro, but still can't talk there
mod6: Also folks, Pizarro needs to purchase some fiat, so if you're interested, can start up an auction if you like, or can do WU or whatever. Minimum $500, please. Let us know if interested.
mod6: And ya, would love to have #pizarro open and welcoming to everyone. I turned off the restrictions this AM and within 3 minutes, guy came in and shit in the foyer.
BingoBoingo: PeterL: mod6 is worried about Allah spam in #pizarro
PeterL: why is #pizarro invite only, are not potential customers pointed there by the website?
mod6: Thanks deedbot. TMSR~: The Pizarro August report is finally out, thanks for your patience with me for getting this completed.
PeterL: is there a process to get voiced in #pizarro?
asciilifeform: at some point i'd like to get a bigendian box of some description into pizarro , for such work
mod6: TMSR~ : Update on the Pizarro report for August. I have completed the Liabilities table after some discussion with ben_vulpes, and it is currently in a final-draft form. Upon approval of this draft, we will post it to the pizarroisp.net site.
asciilifeform: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-9-11#427276 << whole log of the hunt, for reference .
a111: Logged on 2018-09-11 15:37 lobbes: ftr, this was the -exact- issue I was having (403 errors on www, no ssh, but could ping fine. Whatever BingoBoingo did for me then worked like a charm though.) http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-9-11#427159 << >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-31#1846123
lobbes: ftr, this was the -exact- issue I was having (403 errors on www, no ssh, but could ping fine. Whatever BingoBoingo did for me then worked like a charm though.) http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-9-11#427159 << >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-31#1846123☝︎
mircea_popescu: do me a favour and add #Do not change this if you're not entirely sure ; talk in #pizarro to make sure ; messing up the routing will cost you your reputation.
asciilifeform: http://pizarroisp.net/pizarro-good-neighbor-policy/
mircea_popescu: so basically what's the idea here, "do not edit /etc/conf.d/net without checking with #pizarro" ?
a111: Logged on 2018-04-18 04:53 ben_vulpes: douchebag: pizarro board has serious reservations about your fucking up our honorsystem ip routing table and bringing dos/whatever hell down upon our little gated community, can i extract a commitment from you to not misbehave in my cab?
asciilifeform: nope, current pizarro policy is that users are to refrain from interfering with others.
mircea_popescu: a large portion of why people are stuck paying that $$$ ; and i guess pizarro will too ?
asciilifeform: ACHTUNG all pizarro rockchip customers ! if you modified your /etc/conf.d/net , in recent 2 weeks, plz say ! asciilifeform currently suspects that somebody munged theirs, and it may account for diana_coman's unreachable box, we may have to take the pilot plant down for maintenance and manually dig, if nobody says anyffing
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the puzzler is, how to knock out the crutch. or persuade the sufferer to part with it on own power ? pizarro is isp, not psychiatric clinic
asciilifeform: these are god's own pizarro customers. where are they.
mircea_popescu: in #Pizarro on Freenode. << link to webthing mqay help
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo : "Pizarro servers do not employ BMC, nor always-on KVM setups. We do not disassemble servers for any reason, so feel free to seal your boxes. Account management is done through RSA process, do not expect that you can sidestep loss of your key through social engineering. Burn Microshit, burn." ?
BingoBoingo: http://pizarroisp.net/pizarro-hosting-rate-sheet/ << First run at the prose
mircea_popescu: republic in being. very much the same mechanism as in "you don't need a buncha paperwork for pizarro, the forum can resolve disputes for you anyway"
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, mod6 : imho we oughta add a 'we do not use bmc's' statement to the pizarro www .
deedbot: Invoiced BingoBoingo 0.03335804 << Pizarro Invoice for Quarterly RockChip rental through December 31st 2018
mod6: !!invoice BingoBoingo 0.03335804 Pizarro Invoice for Quarterly RockChip rental through December 31st 2018
diana_coman: BingoBoingo, congrats on new position and looking forward to Pizarro's next moves to attract more customers
mod6: I'd like to commend ben_vulpes on his instructions that he gave to Pizarro for how to do the monthly report. It really got me through it -- and made it easy.
mod6: Also in the news, Pizarro has fully paid the "Wildcat Bonus" to BingoBoingo. The remainder was $2500. This has been shown on Pizarro statements in the "Fiat Liabilities" table. It will appear on the August statement as well. The payment was made September 1st. So look for that line to come off the fiat liabilities table when the September report is posted in early October.
mod6: Also, another bit of news: I've completed a draft of the Pizarro report. We're needed three more pieces of information and a second pair of eyes for review before it can be published. We're on it.
mod6: We have set a price point for the month at Pizarro as well, that price is: $6745 USD/BTC
mod6: In other news: Today is BingoBoingo's first day as Pizarro Manager. Congrats to him! We'll be working closely together to ensure a smooth transition over the next few months.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform seriously, since we're apparently not selling the rockchip plant to pizarro : how about you build it and make it a "cyberflood master 9000" ?
mircea_popescu: there's nothing saying pizarro isn't building its own dc.
asciilifeform: i do know that many people's pest control setups rely on iptables, and so all new pizarro customers will get it by default. but imho it is a bitter pill.
Mocky: I'm getting "#pizarro :Cannot send to nick/channel" so will just drop this here: I created a dir named 'wwwhabeeb' in my shared hosting account. can you set me up to have domain mockyhabeeb.com be fed from that?
mircea_popescu: moreover, success/failure yes/no is not so much the point. pizarro bought the failed remains of the previous attempt, and so on.
lobbes: however I ended up purging the znc user and all traces from the thing. Coming live now from irssi from pizarro shared hosting (used danielpbarron's spiffy guide >> http://danielpbarron.com/2018/irssi-on-pizarro-shared-hosting/)
mod6: We could do some sort of open outcry auction in here. Where Pizarro auctions off 1 BTC, and the winner send funds to specified destinations.
mod6: here's that link: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-8-31#421340
hanbot: hey mod6, all this talk about znc being a crock and so on is a little unnerving. did http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-8-30#420622 change in meanwhile? anything you'd like me to do?
diana_coman: mod6, as pizarro customer on a year-long contract I can confirm I do *not want* anything to be done; one upside of going longterm is precisely that it's set for some time and it doesn't require any additional ongoing attention essentially
mod6: Well with that, I'm glad I brought this up in here. The guidence is going to be: Pizarro won't do anything at this time for existing contracts. Upon renewal, you'll pay the posted price.
mod6: Ok, so this whole pricing thing with Pizarro. (Thread begins here: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-8-31#419975). We've been discussing this for a few days now. And anyone who has month-to-month service has been made correct in their pricing for August, as well as anyone who has established new "Shared Hosting" in August (nicoleci).
mircea_popescu: this is a terrible arrangmeent, recall the onset of the (meanwhile, botched) pizarro wire/auction was a month ago, and waited for the same thing ?
ben_vulpes: i remain available and actively supporting mod6 and BingoBoingo when they need something from me on the pizarro front
lobbes: Summary of the above threads: Edis vps finally got back to me after ~16hrs downtime with lame excuse of "we had some issues we never communicated. We identified the issue tho. Sry for inconvenience". I said "fuck em'" and will be moving logs to pizarro once done with current $unrelated-item
lobbes: I am close (hopefully by end of this weekend) to finishing the genesis for the 'logbot-command-router' (see also #t log) After which I will be migrating the #eulora logotron residing on heathen Edis vps to Pizarro shared hosting
a111: Logged on 2018-07-02 18:05 ben_vulpes: lords and ladies, june pizarro statement will be late; my wife is experiencing an all-consuming major depression that will take all of my attention going forward. i am working with mod6 and asciilifeform to ensure continuity at pizarro.
mod6: bah, #pizarro
deedbot: Invoiced trinque 0.02100855 << Pizarro Invoice for Colocation Service and Shared Shell through August 31st, 2018
mod6: !!invoice trinque 0.02100855 Pizarro Invoice for Colocation Service and Shared Shell through August 31st, 2018
deedbot: Invoiced mircea_popescu 0.00819354 << Pizarro Shared Hosting for bimbo.club through December 31st, 2018
mod6: !!invoice mircea_popescu 0.00819354 Pizarro Shared Hosting for bimbo.club through December 31st, 2018
mircea_popescu: and so, if upon seeing noob in #trilema person thinks "hey, this might've been someone interested in #pizarro", what person is really thinking is "shit, we're doing a terrible job of communicating #pizarro". because in any other case, they should've known ~already~ whether wanderer is or isn't interested.
mircea_popescu: but i'm also sure our funels are slack by that sure and unerring sign, that noobs wander in ~here~. it's 1000% easier to get someone interested in "bicoin mmo" than in terrorist organisation ; and maybe 5000% easier to get them interested in "clean reliable hosting". so if in spite of that immense differential #trilema still beats out #pizarro, it means the pizarro funel works at 0.2% efficiency at the very most. which can't
mircea_popescu: i'd love nothing more than a bunch of these from logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro !
mircea_popescu: that's all i'm saying, not that pizarro's no good or anything in the vein, but that the flow flows like it flows. republic mgiht pick some people from pizarro rooster for enoblement, not pizarro might pick some people from lordship for making a sale.
mircea_popescu: sure, in principle. but different doors, the set of considerations for "can be in #trilema" can't possibly include "pizarro might want to sell him something". it's like proposing people wandering into the white house shouldn't be kicked out because what if obama wants to give them a shoeshine ?
mod6: ok, yeah, will try to resolve all of it here tonight. #pizarro has the details of the debate.
mircea_popescu: the whole fucking point is for pizarro is to do the exact thing shinohai ineptly didn't do for the length of his tenure -- convert the innocent among the zek to republic.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-28 20:29 mod6: i.e. shell/rockchip, anything. having Pizarro linked to peeps in the wot is hard-enough, but if we can't get anyone in the wot, than that's worse.
mod6: i.e. shell/rockchip, anything. having Pizarro linked to peeps in the wot is hard-enough, but if we can't get anyone in the wot, than that's worse.
lobbesbot: mod6: Sent 14 minutes ago: <lobbes> plox to invoice me for a month of pizarro shared hosting
lobbes: just gonna relocate znc and #eulora logz (which, too, were hosted with edis) to pizarro shared hosting and be done with it. Much rather deal with humans
lobbes: !Qlater tell mod6 plox to invoice me for a month of pizarro shared hosting
lobbes coming live from newly installed znc on pizarro rockchip
trinque: np, before long this part is going to sit down at pizarro instead.
mod6: nicoleci: One of us from Pizarro ( BingoBoingo , asciilifeform , or myself ) will update you when wp-mp is all set to go for you. Stay tuned. Thanks!
mod6: Ok hang tight for a pizarro shared environment apache reload.
jurov: I'll install/configure apache on the pizarro-colocated foundation box. Want to prepare for mp-wp, anyone has handy their notes pls?
a111: Logged on 2018-08-24 00:21 mod6: Unless you want to also do us the favor of taking the additional 100mn ECU, and just !!pay'ing 1.2 BTC back to Pizarro. Totally up to you. We appreciate very much your efforts on this. I think we'll find a way eventually.
mod6: Unless you want to also do us the favor of taking the additional 100mn ECU, and just !!pay'ing 1.2 BTC back to Pizarro. Totally up to you. We appreciate very much your efforts on this. I think we'll find a way eventually.
mod6: mircea_popescu: Alright, sorry to keep you waiting here. I'd say Pizarro is fine to hang on to ECU if we can try again in the next say, 60 days. This would eliminate the step of having to buy ECU (which clearly isn't a problem anyway). Otherwise, you can just !!pay. Amount was 1.1bn ECU. I originally bought 1.2bn from dpb, and I was going to hold the remaining 100mn until the end of the year, unless we
mod6: xdeller: Hey, checkout pizarroisp.net if you want/need any hosting; we're also over in #pizarro
BingoBoingo: Congrats trinque on what appears to be the sync of your Pizarro node
deedbot: http://pizarroisp.net/2018/08/16/pizarro-statement-july-2018/ << PizzaroISP - Pizarro Statement, July 2018
mod6: Whatever we don't spend will be returned to Pizarro, or I suppose can be held in fiat if need be.
mod6: i dunno, I just put in a checkin with him in #pizarro to see about the refund. best case, he got the refund and can ship more drives, perhaps today even.
mircea_popescu: i'm not strictly against the configuration, put four large disks on it w/e. see what pizarro says too, but i'm amenable.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this box dun belong to pizarro, recall
mircea_popescu: what am i agreeing with here ? yes i agree pizarro should have on hand a dozen of each type of disk it uses, at the least. and yes as per ancient http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1825188 it seems a good move for it.☝︎
deedbot: mod6 rated mats 2 << Pizarro Client, TMSR~ things
mod6: !!rate mats 2 Pizarro Client, TMSR~ things
asciilifeform: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-8-10#412082 << adlai : folx on mircea_popescu's list of the officially sad, can't lease boxen, i thought this was clear
mod6: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-8-10#412082 ^
mod6: http://logs.bvulpescom/pizarro?d=2018-8-10#412082 ^
asciilifeform doesn't anticipate making any further changes to the pizarro rk kernel, at least while we use same iron
mod6: Lords and Ladies: We have a rockchip ready to go! Let us know if interested, details here if you didn't know already: http://pizarroisp.net/pizarro-hosting-rate-sheet/
BingoBoingo: And for activity oriented Pizarro travellers http://en.expocannabis.uy/ This year's expocannabis has been set for 7, 8, and 9 of December. Will be at LATU, corner of Bolonia street and Avenida Italia
diana_coman: I am moving my blog over to pizarro so I do need to change the ip; new ip is 161.0.121.198
ben_vulpes: anyways yes, if you want to audit the correctness of the statement against the value of cash held on behalf of pizarro, you will have to deduct your personal transactions from whatever account pizarro transactions flow in order to calculate a correct number.
mod6: it would be nice if pizarro had it's own key and could keep it's own ledger, but then who would control or hold said key, and that doesn't work either.
mod6: well, at lesat, until I send them to BingoBoingo, in which case, he might have his own subtraction he'll have to do. that's the messiest part of doing the pizarro thing through personal deedbot accounts.
mod6: it's the amount that mod6 himself had in his deedbot account before I was sent Pizarro's 6.21445021 BTC.
ben_vulpes: mod6: you may want to check your account history, BingoBoingo is also sitting on 0.2 of pizarro's btc