1949058;1572566462;trinque;did ya try, or what
1949059;1572568217;lobbes;in other weird, I found an odd (albeit edge case) bug in the new blog selection mechanism. If you do a select that begins with "http" (e.g. "?b=http&e=#select") it will mangle the selected link in the post itself when rendered
1949060;1572568221;lobbes;[http://www.krankendenken.com/2019/10/mp-wp-bot-workplan-now-until-november-3rd/?b=http&e=#select][example from my own blog]; example from [http://trilema.com/2019/the-dazzling-array-of-angles-a-celebration/?b=http&e=#select][Trilema]
1949061;1572568229;lobbes;Since it is an edge case (and I have other pressing items) I haven't dug any deeper into it.
1949062;1572568236;lobbes;and in mp-wp bot updates: I've got the thing pretty much complete at this time. Trackbacks-from-IRC still aren't sending 100% of the time, so I need to fix this first. After that I will be doing final code cleanup, testing, and then vpatch. Still truckin' along
1949063;1572568440;lobbes;or in other words, I have proven my own earlier insanity re: 2020 estimated delivery
1949064;1572570909;lobbes;so turns out [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-31#1008365][diana_coman's whaack is already working on a solution] to the mentioned bug above
1949065;1572570909;ossabot;(ossasepia) 2019-10-31 whaack: lobbes: i am working on a solution to this http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-31#1948993 . you don't want to put any string for the b query param that is going to match a string inside of an anchor tag. this problem occurs frequently because often the same text in a link you want to select is inside of the anchor tag: i.e. for the text 'mp writes at trilema' if you try to select tri
1949066;1572576104;mod6;trinque: not yet. is your wallet stuff back up?
1949067;1572577991;BingoBoingo;Every day it sucks still more to be Argentine https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/banco-central-argentino-refuerza-cepo-para-frenar-el-dolar-casino--2019103120253
1949068;1572580051;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/11/qntra-s-qntr-october-2019-report/ << Qntra -- Qntra (S.QNTR) October 2019 Report
1949069;1572581927;trinque;mod6: I have made provisions to work around the loss of my pizarro node, yes.
1949070;1572595312;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-31#1948962 << i didn't mean physical strength (nor are women physically stronger ; men are just lazy and "unmotivated" aka hallucinatory optionality. childbearing resolves a lot of [http://trilema.com/2010/categorii-sociale/][this dumb shit] out of female heads).
1949071;1572595312;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-31 18:11:44 BingoBoingo: Even pichis carrying everything they own everywhere don't come close to the routinely heft payloads the tiny mommies tote around.
1949072;1572595318;mp_en_viaje;i meant stronger as in "a stronger play", they make better horses, how the hell should we introduce this concept.
1949073;1572595331;mp_en_viaje;i suppose we could say women make horses while men make donkeys. people have enough fucking sense to take horses to war and donkeys to church, but when it comes to the other equine they psychotically reverse for no reason.
1949074;1572595388;mp_en_viaje;and speaking of trilematic prophecy, check the shit out that 2010 article! say http://trilema.com/2010/categorii-sociale/?b=Prima%20solutie&e=evidentei#select paragraph fits the "problem" exactly like a fucking glove, holy hell what.
1949075;1572595746;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-31#1948993 << this is not a bug ; don't put mark-up in there.
1949076;1572595747;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-31 21:35:02 lobbes: in other weird, I found an odd (albeit edge case) bug in the new blog selection mechanism. If you do a select that begins with "http" (e.g. "?b=http&e=#select") it will mangle the selected link in the post itself when rendered
1949077;1572595839;mp_en_viaje;http://trilema.com/2019/the-dazzling-array-of-angles-a-celebration/?b=that%20poet&e=#select works exactly as intended ; we're here making tools to work ~with~ the user, not against the user. which is why i say it's not a bug, merely permitting the user to be stupid if he so chooses is no bug.
1949078;1572595873;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-31#1948996 << excellent!
1949079;1572595873;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-31 21:35:20 lobbes: and in mp-wp bot updates: I've got the thing pretty much complete at this time. Trackbacks-from-IRC still aren't sending 100% of the time, so I need to fix this first. After that I will be doing final code cleanup, testing, and then vpatch. Still truckin' along
1949080;1572595957;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-01#1949003 << you've made quite the conundrum for yourself. as a service operator, aesthetic rates are a serious problem, because look how you've forced upon yourself this spurious dilemma of "do my negrates not mean much, or do my negrates fuck up my business"
1949081;1572595958;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-01 01:23:32 trinque: mod6: I have made provisions to work around the loss of my pizarro node, yes.
1949082;1572596008;mp_en_viaje;traditionally the problem was resolved by getting a fool/chaplain (or both) to do the aesthetic rating for the lord running a public service of import. get yourself some pages i guess.
1949083;1572604113;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-31#1948998 - and moreover, jfw already looked deeper at it, so they'll coordinate and it will be fixed.
1949084;1572604113;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-31 22:19:53 lobbes: so turns out [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-31#1008365][diana_coman's whaack is already working on a solution] to the mentioned bug above
1949085;1572604345;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-01#1949009 - hm; now I'll have to see this in detail then.
1949086;1572604346;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-01 05:13:53 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-31#1948993 << this is not a bug ; don't put mark-up in there.
1949087;1572604394;mp_en_viaje;it could be prevented server-side at the cost of increasing code complexity, which... it's fucking php, wtf.
1949088;1572604471;diana_coman;there seemed to be a bit more to it from jfw's notes http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2019/misadventures-in-mp-wp-setup-the-sad-work-in-progress-post/?b=omfg&e=wysiwyg%20editor#select
1949089;1572604481;diana_coman;but I hadn't yet had the time to actually look at it.
1949090;1572604724;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, this seems to be re the footnotes ?
1949091;1572604774;diana_coman;the selected part? no.
1949092;1572604794;diana_coman;ah, in his notes there is that *afterwards*, yes
1949093;1572604811;diana_coman;anyways, when he wakes up I'll see what he has there exactly and will figure it out.
1949094;1572604941;mp_en_viaje;i didn't look into it ; but going by the novel symbol , i expect he did a stupid thing, equivalent to walking on a rake, by declaring the footnote separators to be tag-like, and
1949095;1572604965;mp_en_viaje;trilema uses (( and )). this is correct, too, should be 2 chars not 4, and should not use the fucking > format either.
1949096;1572605003;mp_en_viaje;most of php is actually exactly like this -- "doctor, it hurts when i do X" "don't".
1949097;1572605026;diana_coman;that is possible but an additional thing there anyway; well, in truth, ~all php hurts from my pov.
1949098;1572605040;mp_en_viaje;rakes, also.
1949099;1572605058;diana_coman;sure; an abundance of rakes even more so.
1949100;1572605084;diana_coman;I suspect he's coming from heavy-markup use habit too so probably yes.
1949101;1572605107;mp_en_viaje;the problem with automated systems is this : the moment you try to make automated systems for interacting with people, you're stuck with an unresolvable problem. i happen to prefer the scythe to the "modern" lawnmower.
1949102;1572605184;mp_en_viaje;there's a vacant lot next to my place, here. and the middle class "investor" owners of it came late summer to cut down the grass (city ordnances threatening fines no doubt impelling them), with a brand-new... wheedwhacker, they paid a hundy or two for, in tow.
1949103;1572605213;mp_en_viaje;i pulled out chairs on top balcony overlooking it and we had drinks watching the morons fight late summer banat grass with a wheedwhacker. it was better than tv.
1949104;1572605218;diana_coman;ahahaha
1949105;1572605231;mp_en_viaje;can you imagine it ? i daresay you might be able to!
1949106;1572605262;diana_coman;but honestly, this automated system that is same for *everyone* is something I just can't see; ie each can automate their own system, sure; but beyond that it gets iffy.
1949107;1572605270;mp_en_viaje;a man with a scythe would have done that plot in a few hours ; these muppets broke the tool and their hands and their hopes for a better future, while doing less damage to the field than a wild hog.
1949108;1572605312;mp_en_viaje;so, you know, php... yeah, it's inadequate for many things. most things.
1949109;1572605315;diana_coman;heh, that's precisely the image that came to mind: them fighting and breaking the tool while the grass stood the same way.
1949110;1572605322;mp_en_viaje;i daresay there exists no other system i'd trust to display my words for others.
1949111;1572605343;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: I don't know; why do you trust php?
1949112;1572605357;mp_en_viaje;because it's dumb enough.
1949113;1572605376;diana_coman;I can see the angle.
1949114;1572605392;mp_en_viaje;specifically because it ~can't~ do all sorts of "desirable" things that aren't.
1949115;1572605403;mp_en_viaje;not that the sorta people don't try.
1949116;1572605419;diana_coman;I still think it does too much, lol.
1949117;1572605438;mp_en_viaje;this is entirely possibly the case ; but i'm not rewriting the lamp stack to find out.
1949118;1572605447;mp_en_viaje;maybe one day *tm)
1949119;1572605457;diana_coman;yes, it's in *that* pile.
1949120;1572605505;mp_en_viaje;this said, a scythe is positively deadly for children
1949121;1572605525;diana_coman;eh, ~everything is positively deadly for children really.
1949122;1572605531;mp_en_viaje;it has that shape, made to fuck grass. it'll fuck simpletons just as well. hence the falx, the traditional weapon of muh ppl, the one thing the romans feared.
1949123;1572605591;mp_en_viaje;yet imo, scything is ~still~, to this day, the superior grass cutting tech.
1949124;1572605636;mp_en_viaje;there is no better alternative to however many men in the scattered line, going at it. they can cut grass at the speed of a stout walk, which nothing else can do.
1949125;1572605673;diana_coman;and up any sort of hills/uneven terrain, yes.
1949126;1572605696;mp_en_viaje;right. doesn't work for the "house on the ground" style 3sq ft spaces. but otherwise -- unbeated, ~unbeatable~.
1949127;1572605736;diana_coman;(heh, reading back in jfw quotes re footnotes, yes: he avoided (()) because of lisp-code worries so ended up on the mess).
1949128;1572605779;mp_en_viaje;so let him use you know, ^^ what of it
1949129;1572605808;diana_coman;sure, not a problem, his blog anyway.
1949130;1572605818;mp_en_viaje;~~ || [[ there's so many syntactically forbidden doublingd anyway.
1949131;1572605985;diana_coman;there's always this code-text tension that annoys me because I still read it as broken-sign: code should be text but then each time I try to get it along text, it doesn't play well, ugh.
1949132;1572606017;mp_en_viaje;no, i know. hence my comment above re people-interaction-automation.
1949133;1572606037;mp_en_viaje;and this is the irresolvable problem : by the very definition of things, i can write anything.
1949134;1572606045;mp_en_viaje;~EVEN A THING THAT CAN'T BE WRITTEN~
1949135;1572606047;mp_en_viaje;fin.
1949136;1572606055;diana_coman;heh.
1949137;1572606078;mp_en_viaje;there'll never be a better solution ; because there can't be. because there's no solution to this problem, i can write insane nonsense.
1949138;1572606080;mp_en_viaje;and do.
1949139;1572610232;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/the-sad-inscription/ << Trilema -- The sad inscription
1949140;1572614641;BingoBoingo;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-01#1949007<< Right. The tiny mommies gone beast of burden for the smaller, potential, people that fall out of em... suggest a greater capacity to adapt to task in spite of theit physiological disadvantage when it comes to packing on more muscle. Of course left on their own, eventually the tiny mommies break and go mula on a long enough timeline.
1949141;1572614642;ericbot;Logged on 2019-11-01 08:04:57 mp_en_viaje: i suppose we could say women make horses while men make donkeys. people have enough fucking sense to take horses to war and donkeys to church, but when it comes to the other equine they psychotically reverse for no reason.
1949142;1572614948;BingoBoingo;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-01#1949058 << Here the parks are usually done with the worst of the old/new combination. Gangs of people running string trimmers. Not just in the sense of "we ripped up the sod and had to let the Bermuda get tall before we dared put feet on it. It's how they do the routine mowing!
1949143;1572614949;ericbot;Logged on 2019-11-01 10:56:41 mp_en_viaje: there is no better alternative to however many men in the scattered line, going at it. they can cut grass at the speed of a stout walk, which nothing else can do.
1949144;1572619894;mp_en_viaje;fucking sad.
1949145;1572619923;mp_en_viaje;it won't last though, their arms will fall off from the vibe, and who's gonna replace ?
1949146;1572619999;mp_en_viaje;though probably http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2018-01-31#1778722 nonsense will be secreted to "replace", socialism always has at the ready "the power of scientific progress". they'll "discover" the great value aesthetic of fallow lots.
1949147;1572620000;ossabot;Logged on 2018-01-31 08:06:42 ben_vulpes: sooo, capetown to run out of water early april http://wtkr.com/2018/01/25/in-less-than-3-months-a-major-international-city-will-likely-run-out-of-water/ and so "unwashed hair is now a sign of social responsibility"
1949148;1572620763;diana_coman;ahaha, but ofc; and the [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2018-08-30#1845910][poetry of concrete]
1949149;1572620763;ossabot;Logged on 2018-08-30 15:11:10 diana_coman: except the Morandi bridge and possibly more of Italy from what I hear
1949150;1572620778;BingoBoingo;It really is. Except for the religious string trimming that leave the grass uneven with brown tips, the local parks aren't far removed from fallow. Though some larger expanses get the tractor towed mower.
1949151;1572620829;BingoBoingo;Never mind the fuckers could indigenously produces reel mowers. They have the tech for that, though prolly better to ave Brasil do it for quality control reasons.
1949152;1572620830;diana_coman;dunno, here in parks they actually have a guy that specifically *takes care of the grass* ie re-seeds it if needed, aerates the soil, etc.
1949153;1572620867;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: Some of the older, bigger plazas have structures suggesting they were once managed in that way.
1949154;1572620972;BingoBoingo;I suspect it is the local labor groups that force the string trimmer worst of all worlds solution
1949155;1572621072;BingoBoingo;Mind that aerating or power raking is an iffy proposition. Hard to tell when the soil's eroded and taken one of the plastic pipes into cutting/stabbing depth.
1949156;1572621141;mp_en_viaje;pretty sure i have somewhere on trilema a pic of the contrasting grasscutting worlds, men with scythes on one side of the road, with the gasoline 2stroke luls on the other isde
1949157;1572621219;mp_en_viaje;meanwhile, in pre-trielma diana_coman : http://ossasepia.com/2009/09/30/cum-faci-sa-afli-ceea-ce-inca-nu-%C8%99tii-ca-nu-%C8%99tii/
1949158;1572621221;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: I always imagine as a consequence the story of Death-With-A-Lawnmower at that image.
1949159;1572621282;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: ahahaha; I'm generally fine with the questions I ask, lol.
1949160;1572621288;mp_en_viaje;lol
1949161;1572621300;mp_en_viaje;(literally, "how to go about finding out what you don't yet know you don't know".)
1949162;1572621301;BingoBoingo;Outside the parks, there's the occasional patch of fescue or some other real grass that makes for quite the stark contrast.
1949163;1572622817;feedbot;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3513 << Loper OS -- TMSR North Ameristan Rack Prospectus: Second, Revised Draft.
1949164;1572622887;asciilifeform;^ plox to ignore, fixed rss.
1949165;1572628604;feedbot;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3542 << Loper OS -- The Boneyard.
1949166;1572629302;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/tara-tara-vrem-ostasi/ << Trilema -- Tara, tara, vrem ostasi!
1949167;1572632177;mod6;trinque: I was able to get a !!balance, but !!withdraw did not issue me a challenge. Here's the info, thanks in advance: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=g2BN
1949168;1572633092;mp_en_viaje;hey diana_coman : i'm trying to leave a "The keks of 2019 salute you.\n\nCum mai e pe la doctorat ?" comment on http://ossasepia.com/2009/09/27/din-transeele-doctoratului-avanpremiera/ but no matter what i do -- "
1949169;1572633092;mp_en_viaje;Looks like you tried to comment off a stale page. Reload the article, count to three and try again."
1949170;1572633120;mp_en_viaje;it's not fucking stale, i just reloaded it ; seems there's some other switch above that one with no proper error outpu tthat then just falls through here. both these issues prolly need a fix
1949171;1572633512;mp_en_viaje;also, either your archives are broken ( http://ossasepia.com/2010/10/ << missing 2nd page link on that archive, which in fact has two pages of which one can't be reached, hence why it ends on 11th ?) or else [https://dinafara.wordpress.com/2009/10/02/cum-sa-punem-intrebari-care-schimba-lumea-din-tran%C8%99eele-doctoratului-episodul-3/][some articles] are missing ?
1949172;1572633549;mp_en_viaje;an' in any case, any chance i can convert you to the title-date format for archives, like http://trilema.com/2019/ say, so i'm not stuck scrolling through miles of body if reviewing just titles ?
1949173;1572633600;mp_en_viaje;oh look at that, the trilema archive for the current years, ~titles only~ and excluding sidebars etc > 5k words.
1949174;1572634740;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: how do I convert to title-date? is there a switch somewhere?
1949175;1572634751;mp_en_viaje;i think it's a theme thing
1949176;1572634753;diana_coman;because yes, I wanted that but never made the time to dig in the mp-wp
1949177;1572634754;diana_coman;ugh
1949178;1572634758;mp_en_viaje;want my archive.php ?
1949179;1572634765;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: please.
1949180;1572634769;mp_en_viaje;1sec
1949181;1572634826;diana_coman;that thing with stale page is weird; it happened to me on trilema.com a few times too (ie had to change machine to get around it)
1949182;1572634941;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-01#1949105 - the "missing" there is on the .wordpress thing in the very beginning so yeah not in archives on my site directly.
1949183;1572634941;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-01 15:43:21 mp_en_viaje: also, either your archives are broken ( http://ossasepia.com/2010/10/ << missing 2nd page link on that archive, which in fact has two pages of which one can't be reached, hence why it ends on 11th ?) or else [https://dinafara.wordpress.com/2009/10/02/cum-sa-punem-intrebari-care-schimba-lumea-din-tran%C8%99eele-doctoratului-episodul-3/][some articles] are missing ?
1949184;1572634973;diana_coman;I suppose I could get & import those from there too, for historical reasons, why not.
1949185;1572635042;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=NAG3
1949186;1572635059;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: thanks, let me see here.
1949187;1572635059;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, prolly should yeah.
1949188;1572635111;diana_coman;eh, along that line I *did* throw away a pile of papers & letters from when I was 16 or shit, lolz.
1949189;1572635164;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, tried via rando webproxy and indeed, comment made it. nfi, must be some "optimized" reloads browser side i guess
1949190;1572635185;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, if you had them, would you read them ?
1949191;1572635286;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: and rather surprisingm when I actually took the time to look into the archive.php thing, it was as easy as snip-the-shit
1949192;1572635303;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: me? neah, I know very well what was in them, lolz.
1949193;1572635359;mp_en_viaje;a ok then :)
1949194;1572635373;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, and mazel tov.
1949195;1572635388;mp_en_viaje;this is how php ~is supposed to~ work. sometimes even does ; especially if no engineers were involved with the portion.
1949196;1572635429;diana_coman;ahaha; dunno, it was the original archive.php of that theme there and it actually doesn't look anything like your archive.php from the paste; but at least yes, it was clear enough.
1949197;1572635449;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, http://ossasepia.com/2019/page/2/ << but could it also be unpaginated ?
1949198;1572635454;mp_en_viaje;defeats the entire puporse
1949199;1572635473;*;diana_coman looks
1949200;1572635733;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: hm, it would seem this has a toggle ie from settings; atm I set it to at most 1000 so it should not bother you there but it doesn't quite solve it.
1949201;1572635750;mp_en_viaje;aite.
1949202;1572635764;mp_en_viaje;y u no write 1000 articles/year!!!1
1949203;1572635769;diana_coman;made it 10k even; if/when I write 10k posts, then yes.
1949204;1572635770;diana_coman;aha.
1949205;1572635781;diana_coman;per month, why year!!!
1949206;1572635783;mp_en_viaje;imo better large max than no max anyways.
1949207;1572635806;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, month is optional, looky : http://ossasepia.com/2019/
1949208;1572635833;diana_coman;I know it's optional but so what.
1949209;1572635896;mp_en_viaje;so per year!
1949210;1572635907;mp_en_viaje;in other news, i suspect you might be the current record holder re longest footnote.
1949211;1572635915;mp_en_viaje;with that gnarly alf irc quote thing
1949212;1572635941;diana_coman;go me
1949213;1572635948;mp_en_viaje;it's mostly him.
1949214;1572635958;diana_coman;go me @ him.
1949215;1572635992;mp_en_viaje;yeee
1949216;1572636279;feedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2019/09/05/a-summers-summary-and-next-steps-in-eulora/ << Ossa Sepia -- A Summer's Summary and Next Steps in Eulora
1949217;1572636284;feedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2019/09/02/ossabot-and-its-flask-of-python-27-on-centos-6/ << Ossa Sepia -- Ossabot and Its Flask of Python 2.7 on CentOS 6
1949218;1572636347;feedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2019/08/25/the-new-old-vilnius-of-2019/ << Ossa Sepia -- The New Old Vilnius of 2019
1949219;1572636352;feedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2019/08/12/camera-tests-of-a-sunday/ << Ossa Sepia -- Camera Tests of a Sunday
1949220;1572636405;mp_en_viaje;o.o
1949221;1572636415;feedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2019/08/07/a-visit-at-the-recycling-of-war-artefacts-museum/ << Ossa Sepia -- A Visit at the Recycling of War Artefacts Museum
1949222;1572636418;feedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2019/08/06/the-widgeting-paws-of-pointerism-notes-on-graphics-in-eulora-v/ << Ossa Sepia -- The Widgeting Paws of Pointerism (Notes on Graphics in Eulora, V)
1949223;1572636484;feedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2019/08/03/silently-unhappened-on-theodinprojectcom/ << Ossa Sepia -- Silently Unhappened on TheOdinProject.com
1949224;1572636490;feedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2019/07/29/overview-of-ffa-ch1-ch19/ << Ossa Sepia -- Overview of FFA Ch1 - Ch19
1949225;1572636516;diana_coman;ugh, wtf.
1949226;1572636540;diana_coman;ah, because of no-pages??
1949227;1572636556;feedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2019/07/24/naked-models-notes-on-graphics-in-eulora-iv/ << Ossa Sepia -- Naked Models (Notes on Graphics in Eulora, IV)
1949228;1572636562;feedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2019/07/20/the-young-hands-club/ << Ossa Sepia -- The Young Hands Club
1949229;1572636568;diana_coman;spyked, help!
1949230;1572636628;feedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2019/07/17/the-mirror-land-notes-on-graphics-for-eulora-iii/ << Ossa Sepia -- The Mirror Land (Notes on Graphics for Eulora, III)
1949231;1572636631;mp_en_viaje;!!down feedbot
1949232;1572636631;deedbot;mp_en_viaje may not $down feedbot.
1949233;1572636634;feedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2019/07/14/a-working-cuntoo-install-on-amd-fx-8350-with-script/ << Ossa Sepia -- A Working Cuntoo Install on AMD FX-8350 (with script)
1949234;1572636635;mp_en_viaje;dang, what did you do.
1949235;1572636636;diana_coman;o.O
1949236;1572636644;mp_en_viaje;gah.
1949237;1572636691;mircea_popescu;!!down feedbot
1949238;1572636716;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, did you change your url structure ?
1949239;1572636734;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: no
1949240;1572636744;mircea_popescu;weird.
1949241;1572636751;diana_coman;just 1. took out content from archives.php 2. increased limit at per page
1949242;1572636767;diana_coman;and I suspect it's that last one that triggered "new" because now different url ie no page-2 ,no?
1949243;1572636809;diana_coman;so myeah, php works like this on the spot with the usual potential side effects, ugh.
1949244;1572636815;diana_coman;anyways, my apologies.
1949245;1572636843;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, imo, no.
1949246;1572636853;mircea_popescu;what happened is the content of rss page changed drastically.
1949247;1572636876;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: ie taking out the content of the posts from rss did it?
1949248;1572636877;mircea_popescu;http://ossasepia.com/feed/rss/ << look it. feedbot skipped the one it saw, and...
1949249;1572636887;mircea_popescu;no, you removed the limit. went from 5 to 1k
1949250;1572636924;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: but so what, those 1k were still old/seen, no?
1949251;1572636929;mircea_popescu;apparently not.
1949252;1572636940;diana_coman;can't be, it spewed here relatively recent ones.
1949253;1572636941;mircea_popescu;spyked, can answer for this :D
1949254;1572636949;mircea_popescu;~relatively~
1949255;1572636973;mircea_popescu;starts with most recent 6th
1949256;1572637018;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: do you mean some very old one triggered feedbot and then it didn't check, just kept going to the end?
1949257;1572637065;mircea_popescu;i mean, your rss page was 5 items, which feedbot knew ; then your rss page had 1k items, of which feedbot knew... the first five. so listed the rest.
1949258;1572637142;diana_coman;sigh; I dunno I could have avoided this though and still switch just archives to unpaginated.
1949259;1572637238;mircea_popescu;what, free feedbot testing, what's the problem.
1949260;1572637269;diana_coman;well, flooded everyone subscribed to feedbot.
1949261;1572637363;mircea_popescu;we hang spyked for shoddy bot coding once he shows up, whynot :D
1949262;1572637379;mircea_popescu;i'm actually surprised it's not getting dc'd.
1949263;1572637406;diana_coman;iirc he set it some timer because it was getting wedged on too many so now probably that works to... keep it up, lolz
1949264;1572637678;mircea_popescu;aha
1949265;1572639344;BingoBoingo;In other news, local Navy intercepted Greenpeace derps
1949266;1572639465;mircea_popescu;any hot chicks confiscated ?
1949267;1572639574;BingoBoingo;As far as I can tell nothing notably better than the existing local assets
1949268;1572639581;asciilifeform;!!deed http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/snsa_1_nov_2019.txt
1949269;1572639585;asciilifeform;!!deed http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/piz_1_nov_2019.txt
1949270;1572639586;deedbot;accepted: 1
1949271;1572639586;deedbot;accepted: 1
1949272;1572641321;mircea_popescu;incidentally, re the greater sadness of "engineer"/fucktard mentality, i should probably translate http://trilema.com/2011/un-rasad-uscat/
1949273;1572641333;mircea_popescu;sadly i'm not equal to the task ; i have no fucking idea how that wouldsound in english.
1949274;1572641359;mircea_popescu;the fact is that a WHOLE COUNTRY, literal millions of engineers, gathered together in what was, for all practical purposes, a political party, produced... nothing, over 20 years.
1949275;1572647099;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in imperial lulz, the ministry of continued pretense has merged tumblr into...
1949276;1572647135;mircea_popescu;automattic (the alt-world mp-wp maintainer / [http://trilema.com/2015/mika-epstein-aka-ipstenu-is-a-thoroughly-clueless-poser/][saboteur] group)
1949277;1572647617;BingoBoingo;AHA http://qntra.net/2019/08/verizon-unloads-tumblr-on-automattic-after-value-collapses-under-porn-ban/
1949278;1572647970;mircea_popescu;o right.
1949279;1572647978;mircea_popescu;i apparently... forgot o.o
1949280;1572648093;BingoBoingo;Well, August feels like ancient history this November 1st
1949281;1572650943;mircea_popescu;funny how that works huh
1949282;1572651776;BingoBoingo;Indeed it is
1949283;1572651820;diana_coman;so it would seem that jfw has actually found a bug with those html chars, except it wasn't in the original mp-wp but in billymg's trimming patches so that should get fixed now.
1949284;1572651904;billymg;yeah, when originally ripping it out, my brain parsed a "if (! $richedit ) ..." as "if ( $richedit ) ..." and so removed the line
1949285;1572652167;billymg;(well, that particular line should still have been removed, but should have preserved its "true" evaluation result rather than "false")
1949286;1572652261;billymg;anyway, will have two patches up shortly, one for the fix and one for a test of that behavior
1949287;1572652439;*;billymg bbl
1949288;1572655466;mircea_popescu;ah!
1949289;1572655530;mircea_popescu;incidentally : i'm pretty suspicious of something after-i-released it, because ~my~ mp-wp doesn't do the weird thing re chars/encodings spyked & all been comp;laining about.
1949290;1572655685;mircea_popescu;or wait, this is what you were talking about huh. i c
1949291;1572658631;BingoBoingo;Apologies if anyone has a bunch of incoming pings. I ran http://trilema.com/2015/how-to-fix-your-local-trackbacks/ and the scope of things to ping expanded beyong the local trackbacks. Got a ctrl-c
1949292;1572658843;BingoBoingo;But Pingbacks, at last of the local sort now work on 'anyserver'
1949293;1572658845;mircea_popescu;i got a few from like 2013 ; approved
1949294;1572658870;mircea_popescu;anyways -- i dun think a blog should list pingbacks either in the comment rss or in the "new comments" navbar.
1949295;1572658894;BingoBoingo;Right, Clogs out the people.
1949296;1572661745;BingoBoingo;And I'm going to move the cleaning recent comments and pingbacks down the work order list
1949297;1572678409;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-01#1949195 <-- lolz.
1949298;1572678409;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-01 16:47:33 mircea_popescu: we hang spyked for shoddy bot coding once he shows up, whynot :D
1949299;1572678471;*;spyked will look at the mess in 1min and clear up the notification queue/fix other burning problems
1949300;1572678920;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-01#1949184 <-- no, it's precisely http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-01#1949191 ; feedbot looks at the rss feed and a. updates its db to reflect what's on the remote end; and b. it queues notifications for items that weren't there on the previous visit.
1949301;1572678920;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-01 16:40:13 diana_coman: mircea_popescu: but so what, those 1k were still old/seen, no?
1949302;1572678920;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-01 16:42:34 mircea_popescu: i mean, your rss page was 5 items, which feedbot knew ; then your rss page had 1k items, of which feedbot knew... the first five. so listed the rest.
1949303;1572679164;spyked;fwiw I don't believe this is flaw; the alternative would be for the bot to keep a list of all the items it's ever seen, but then it would be a list of all the items it's seen since the feed was first added to its db, which is an arbitrary cutoff point. wouldn't have prevented this spam anyway, since I've originally added the feed list to feedbot in 2018? and ossasepia's current rss goes all the way to 2017
1949304;1572679446;spyked;nyways, this sort of thing can be handled on the operator end, e.g. I can temporarily disable feeds on demand and now we know [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-01#1949134][the sort of thing] that alters mp-wp rss feeds
1949305;1572679447;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-01 16:20:22 diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: hm, it would seem this has a toggle ie from settings; atm I set it to at most 1000 so it should not bother you there but it doesn't quite solve it.
1949306;1572679572;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-01#1949218 <-- oh I see. mircea_popescu, this explains [http://thetarpit.org/2019/welcome-to-the-tar-pit#comment-129][the diff between behaviours] then. I'm running latest mp-wp press.
1949307;1572679572;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-01 20:49:54 billymg: yeah, when originally ripping it out, my brain parsed a "if (! $richedit ) ..." as "if ( $richedit ) ..." and so removed the line
1949308;1572682278;diana_coman;spyked: oh, I hadn't realised you ran into similar too, didn't quite connect and if you didn't say anything earlier...; so in the end my [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-01#1008519][investigation into this] yesterday covered more than I thought, huh.
1949309;1572682278;ossabot;(ossasepia) 2019-11-01 diana_coman: let me see now if I can in the end identify the various problems proposed:
1949310;1572682347;diana_coman;spyked: re bot, I said flaw because I don't think it should spit all entries it hasn't seen before, no; to my mind it should spit all entries *newer* than the *last one* it saw before, simply
1949311;1572682369;diana_coman;if one starts now publishing stuff in the past, that's on them, not on the bot.
1949312;1572682450;diana_coman;I'm also rather weary of manual disables and the like because 1. this never scales, it can't 2. now I need to keep a list of things for which to poke spyked to disable my feed if I as much as touch them on my own blog?
1949313;1572682597;diana_coman;spyked: btw is there a spec for feedbot?
1949314;1572682753;spyked;diana_coman, but I did mention it yesterday :D, http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-01#1008386
1949315;1572682754;ossabot;(ossasepia) 2019-11-01 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-31#1008349 <-- ftr, I also stumbled upon this: http://thetarpit.org/2019/a-guide-to-systematically-exploring-the-entrails-of-mp-wp-illustrated-using-some-weird-found-in-the-post-editor . wrapping the input field content in htmlentities did the trick for me, but otherwise I thought this is something particular to my environment
1949316;1572682834;spyked;diana_coman, depends on the definition of "new entries". what's "newer" mean here?
1949317;1572682876;diana_coman;spyked: they have the timestamp, no? and/or they come as a list anyway.
1949318;1572682900;spyked;well, nothing guarantees that rss entries come with a timestamp. afaik the only mandatory field is the guid.
1949319;1572682955;diana_coman;spyked: hm; still a list ie once it finds what it had as "the last previously announced item", why would it look further?
1949320;1572682976;diana_coman;or does the order also change?
1949321;1572682997;diana_coman;(obv, other than if I publish with messed up/changed dates)
1949322;1572683049;spyked;re. spec, I think there was an earlier trilema post on rss, I tried to dig it yesterday but couldn't find it. I think http://thetarpit.org/2019/feedbot-manual is the closest thing to a spec, but it's a spec for commands, not for other behaviours. bot behaviour is otherwise documented in http://thetarpit.org/2019/feedbot-i (and ii and iii in the same series)
1949323;1572683084;diana_coman;would help to have ...one spec, lol; at least it would help me, what can I say.
1949324;1572683311;diana_coman;ftr I do enjoy reading otherwise your crisp descriptions there but as they build up, in the end I'll still have to summarise & basically extract a "spec" out of them.
1949325;1572683347;spyked;okay, I'll post a spec sometime in the next coupla weeks. guess I didn't post one back in 2018/early 2019 since closest denominator I had was deedbot rss and just used that.
1949326;1572683400;diana_coman;spyked: no hurry now and I'd wait anyway for other people to comment on this thread too, first.
1949327;1572683694;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-02#1949254 <-- there's no considerations re. order at the moment. a feed entry/item is uniquely identified by the "guid" field (there's a similar field for atom feeds, dun recall the name) and feedbot maintains a set of items for each feed in the db, also grabbing, when present, title, link etc.. so if remote end rss operator wants to add an item without a date
1949328;1572683694;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-02 05:27:48 diana_coman: or does the order also change?
1949329;1572683700;spyked; or anything, then okay
1949330;1572683765;spyked;this could be limited to something more restrictive, but with some risk associated to breaking compatibility with feeds people might wanna subscribe to later
1949331;1572683931;spyked;altho ftr, most feeds currently handled by feedbot are wordpress rss, so if that gets declared the reference point, could use it as such
1949332;1572683994;spyked;anyway, I'll fire up the bot in a few mins and will be around for a while to check whether everything's alright.
1949333;1572684291;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-02#1949252 <-- actually scratch that, there's [https://archive.is/8q8eo#selection-829.46-829.141][*no* mandatory fields], ugh. so current feedbot code could still go nuts on some feeds.
1949334;1572684292;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-02 05:26:32 spyked: well, nothing guarantees that rss entries come with a timestamp. afaik the only mandatory field is the guid.
1949335;1572684773;diana_coman;no mandatory fields huh, what a great... standard! spyked there is though [http://trilema.com/2019/what-is-a-blog-complete-spec-inside/?b=rss&e=#select][some description inside the blog spec] and possibly that's going to be the actual spec anyway (maybe iterated if more details are needed)
1949336;1572685662;mircea_popescu;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-02#1949237 << imo the correct approach would be to try and find "what it seen" into "what it saw", and correctly recognize abc === abcdefgjiklmn
1949337;1572685663;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-02 04:24:16 spyked: fwiw I don't believe this is flaw; the alternative would be for the bot to keep a list of all the items it's ever seen, but then it would be a list of all the items it's seen since the feed was first added to its db, which is an arbitrary cutoff point. wouldn't have prevented this spam anyway, since I've originally added the feed list to feedbot in 2018? and ossasepia's current rss goes all the way to 2017
1949338;1572685690;mircea_popescu;there's an aspect under which it's currently agnostic, namely that articles come in an entropy-locked timeflow, whereas it expects to see them as random lists.
1949339;1572685728;mircea_popescu;how to do this, however, is admittedly a very hard problem, and i don't expect a solution has to be found/deployed rightnao.
1949340;1572685751;mircea_popescu;but i suspect we'll eventually need a good algo because we'll prolly keep running into this problem. it's a first class primitive, to my eye.
1949341;1572685812;mircea_popescu;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-02#1949244 << right.
1949342;1572685813;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-02 05:17:19 diana_coman: spyked: re bot, I said flaw because I don't think it should spit all entries it hasn't seen before, no; to my mind it should spit all entries *newer* than the *last one* it saw before, simply
1949343;1572686276;mircea_popescu;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-02#1949252 << i woukldn't even protest if you expected a monotonically increasing guid tbh.
1949344;1572686276;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-02 05:26:32 spyked: well, nothing guarantees that rss entries come with a timestamp. afaik the only mandatory field is the guid.
1949345;1572688204;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-02#1949269 <-- hm, I'd keep that distinct from the bot spec (which'd spec bot inputs/outputs and behaviour), but it does bring to light the question of whether feedbot should accept non-mp-wp-style feeds. on one hand I might want to subscribe to heathen feeds on the internets. on the other, the rift is growing anyway (e.g. feedbot doesn't do https), so it's pro
1949346;1572688205;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-02 05:57:45 diana_coman: no mandatory fields huh, what a great... standard! spyked there is though [http://trilema.com/2019/what-is-a-blog-complete-spec-inside/?b=rss&e=#select][some description inside the blog spec] and possibly that's going to be the actual spec anyway (maybe iterated if more details are needed)
1949347;1572688210;spyked;lly not worth supporting the current (very lax) rss spec. minimally, feed items should contain at least the stuff that's being spat currently in the chans by the bot
1949348;1572688465;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-02#1949277 <-- guids are currently arbitrary strings tho. mp-wp puts the link in ?p=postid style there iirc.
1949349;1572688465;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-02 06:22:48 mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-02#1949252 << i woukldn't even protest if you expected a monotonically increasing guid tbh.
1949350;1572688564;spyked;well, I'll ruminate a bit on the whole thing and write a proposal for the bot spec. should provide a structured starting point at the very least.
1949351;1572689584;mircea_popescu;i'm all for mp-wp rss style only, tbh.
1949352;1572689622;mircea_popescu;spyked, guids in rss are the postid, this isn't exactly arbitrary, it's a numeric gensym for the article -- guaranteed to monotonically increase over time.
1949353;1572689632;mircea_popescu;sorta the blockheight of articles, i guess.
1949354;1572689666;mircea_popescu;i'd go as far as to say that any feed without a guid is ~therefore~ broken, and any software putting out such a thing has to be fixed.
1949355;1572690082;mircea_popescu;meanwhile -- as perhaps the strangest case of sycophants & cut-throats hypnotizing the supposed mastermind in recorded history, it turns out that i... actually agree with ~everything~ everyone else said to asciilifeform (not that it's hard, the various rays being remarkably collimated, there's harmonic agreement the likes of which cultists' dreams are made of).
1949356;1572690173;mircea_popescu;minus, i guess, the lsd theory, as the one exception. i'm rather with the classical psychology camp : the fundamental breakage in cognitive development brought into view by the unyielding flow of events was probably definitively formed by age 12 ; developmental delay is sometimes recuperated in later years -- but in the ~early~ later years.
1949357;1572690173;mircea_popescu;a kid who doesn't speak by four might speak by five, and if not by five then by six. but a kid that's not spoken by twenty is not likely to speak by thirty -- the early years matter a lot more than the latter years in the natural resolution of retardation.
1949358;1572690631;mircea_popescu;i understand the more fashionable neoprotestant theory on the topic requires "i can do anything" as a hard prerequisite, and therefore "personal development" or "growth" is a boundless field of possibility. i'm... well, moderately optimistic on this topic, in the sense that i don't for a second credit such nonsense.
1949359;1572690781;mircea_popescu;i also don't subscribe to [http://trilema.com/2019/tara-tara-vrem-ostasi/#comment-132047][anon theories] re frontal lobe damage & general degenerescence. yes hoarders show very similarily impaired cognition, but they're ~old~, and old only. "engineers" occur like schizophrenia, in the 30s.
1949360;1572690826;mircea_popescu;maybe the way out is rather in the vein of handling addiction, make an Engineers Anonymous, build up a list of tenants, "i understand i have a problem, that i can't fix but i can try to manage, and by the higher power as i understand it ima try" or somesuch.
1949361;1572690867;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo, you feel like drafting an aa clone ? who knows, maybe your destiny is to run the engineer recovery castle.
1949362;1572690946;mircea_popescu;tenets* not tenants.
1949363;1572698053;*;diana_coman has somewhere an engineer diploma.
1949364;1572698326;diana_coman;I don't think it's in the engineering though; more maybe the other way around ie engineering as a result, not as a cause.
1949365;1572699806;mircea_popescu;yes, well, buboes are also not the cause ; but it's still called the bubonic plague
1949366;1572699889;diana_coman;tsk.
1949367;1572701191;mircea_popescu;but yes, people afflicted with "being an engineer", the mental disease, often end up working ~as~ engineers. it's a lot like pedophiles working as camp guides or w/e : superficially they're some of the best, most serious & dedicated etc workers in the field ; but as a group they're also pretty much the only serious danger to the field -- people will definitely stop sending their kids to camp if there's enough pedos running c
1949368;1572701192;mircea_popescu; people will give up engineering as an activity if there's enough "being an engineer" nutcases involved.
1949369;1572701221;mircea_popescu;and yes, the average person can scantly tell the difference, "the difference between pedophiles and pedagogues is that pedophiles actually like children"
1949370;1572701278;mircea_popescu;just because we have a word to distinguish pedophiles from camp guides while to date there wasn't a word to distinguish "being an engineer"s from people working in engineering dun mean it's not exactly the same fucking thing.
1949371;1572701465;mircea_popescu;(exactly the same situation, p to q as a to b, is what i mean)
1949372;1572709013;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I'll give it a thought, but I have low expectations. Also, the other side of the Late 1990's early 2000's Windows verus *nix narrative clicked in my head. The fight wasn't about the merits of any software at all. It was a fuck you to engineers in IT from Management.
1949373;1572709082;BingoBoingo;"They can read ALL of the internal parts of the LUNIX thing? Nothing will ever get done!"
1949374;1572709399;diana_coman;BingoBoingo: I can see that angle.
1949375;1572709706;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo, yup, exactly.
1949376;1572709717;mircea_popescu;the problem with the deanged is that they lie, "they don't mean to", whatever, bla bla.
1949377;1572709795;mircea_popescu;they just say words, devoid of particular notional content. "partnership", aka "that thing where i shit on every hand you extend every which way to sunday & for years, but it's okay because mommy loves me unconditionally"
1949378;1572709802;BingoBoingo;Now, Microsofts great sin is that they fed at both ends by selling MSDN subscriptions the Engineers could sell to management. Many engineers got hooked on windows internals
1949379;1572709892;mircea_popescu;so yes, they'll sit there droning about "abstract considerations", when they're, like any 9yo, simply procrastinating, instead of going to take a piss they'll tell you the theory of the parts of the kidney while wetting themselves
1949380;1572709909;mircea_popescu;"the kidney is composed of the maxint part superior, the maxint part inferior, and the lizard hitler part central"'=
1949381;1572710412;BingoBoingo;I'm not entirely unsure I don't have or in the past hed a touch of engineer bogging down my head, but not indentifying as an engineer myself... I am unsure what has to break for an engineer to get the resignation, that can build to a faith, that recovery can proceed from.
1949382;1572710699;BingoBoingo;My youngest brother, not the dentist, is an engineer of the mechanical flavor. Whatever gets other engineers focused on the internals of their computers, it never took with him. Roughly as uninterested to him as the internals of his car. When I started putting together bookshelves back in old country for something to do with my hands, he offered to help.
1949383;1572710786;BingoBoingo;His help took the form of 5-ish pages of hand written calculations covering load/span/materials etc
1949384;1572710804;BingoBoingo;Pretty sure the notes are in my briefcase
1949385;1572711061;feedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2019/11/02/come-out-of-the-shadows/ << Ossa Sepia -- Come Out of the Shadows
1949386;1572713407;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-02#1949288 << annd it is through this logline that I realize my [http://www.krankendenken.com/feed/][RSS feed] on my blog is broken in this sense. For some reason, it has been putting the permalink in the guid field instead of the post id. (curiously, this started once I migrated blog to new box). Ugh
1949387;1572713407;ericbot;Logged on 2019-11-02 10:17:14 mircea_popescu: i'd go as far as to say that any feed without a guid is ~therefore~ broken, and any software putting out such a thing has to be fixed.
1949388;1572713607;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: can I get the random-post-on-landing-page trick that trilema uses? I'm weary of just hacking it into mp-wp atm.
1949389;1572713633;diana_coman;(and I couldn't find it searching trilema.com and the logs, did I miss it?)
1949390;1572714038;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, 1sec
1949391;1572714049;BingoBoingo;In local weather the Fat Forhead vice presidential can-nag-dit, absent from the campaign trail in the run up to the October elections... Is now being loud.
1949392;1572714370;BingoBoingo;https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/villar-hay-aspectos-del-programa-del-fa-que-no-estan-en-plan-de-martinez-201911121275 << The anti-campaign
1949393;1572714568;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo, supposedly these are highly intelligent folk. supposedly the definition of "highly intelligent" is "can learn other than from bitter experience", nfi.
1949394;1572714648;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: I suspect that's more smarts than highly intelligent.
1949395;1572714660;mircea_popescu;nfi wtf, this is really uncovered ground.
1949396;1572714675;mircea_popescu;diana_coman here it is : http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=ALAE << there's two parts to it ; get_header(); is your syncing anchor.
1949397;1572714685;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: thank you!
1949398;1572714719;mircea_popescu;basicaly it 1. establishes the highest article guid ; 2. it picks a value up to that (with a lot of leverage for criteria, turns out i had a special ro-only thing made by alf's request at some point) and then requests it.
1949399;1572714728;mircea_popescu;can prolly be ran with.
1949400;1572714782;diana_coman;aha; atm I'm aiming for basic "random article out of all"; let it be in Ro if it falls that way, what's the problem.
1949401;1572714796;mircea_popescu;none whatsoever, delete as appropriate.
1949402;1572714801;diana_coman;will do.
1949403;1572714828;mircea_popescu;item is imo moderately didactic, demonstrates selection-by-enumeration & selection-by-threshold in the bundle. can do errything.
1949404;1572715630;mircea_popescu;hey hanbot how's this sound : "You, with bread and knife at hand, yet die starv't, uncomprehend't."
1949405;1572715728;diana_coman;ha, not bad.
1949406;1572715732;hanbot;interesting contractions. anyway, a fine restatement of the problem of indolence.
1949407;1572715792;diana_coman;now, is bolund ~= indolent? lolz
1949408;1572715869;hanbot;"bolund adj. nebun, smintit; nerod, prost." dex sux!
1949409;1572715961;diana_coman;by now dex sounds ~random almost, ugh.
1949410;1572715989;hanbot;synonym puddin', like nearly all dicts.
1949411;1572716092;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, nah, bolund is "madness in young men driven by females their age ensconced in bourgeois walls about"
1949412;1572716136;mircea_popescu;17yo ilona goes to work "in town", in strul the 59 yo jew's household instead of playing with ferenc at the haystack ; drives ferenc bolond.
1949413;1572716139;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: what madness? madness supposes a bit more... liveliness.
1949414;1572716157;diana_coman;hm, might be one of those that doesn't quite mean same across the mountains.
1949415;1572716157;mircea_popescu;i dunno, he threatens to burn down arad.
1949416;1572716212;mircea_popescu;it's very much a http://trilema.com/2012/ah-curvele-astea-fragededelicioase/ type affliction.
1949417;1572716302;hanbot;so can there be an...imbolunditatea?
1949418;1572716342;mircea_popescu;"Si sa-i spui lui maicata ca tu esti femeia mea si de nu vii tu acasa vine Gyuri nu te lasa. Daca nu vii tu in sura scot cutitul din centura!!!" << bolund.
1949419;1572716370;mircea_popescu;hanbot, bolunzeala, a superlative form of imbulzeala, such as eg https://www.bl.uk/collection-items/rebellion-by-london-apprentices-in-1595
1949420;1572716396;mircea_popescu;(obviously ~all imbulzeala is pullulative in nature, wtf else could it be.)
1949421;1572716616;*;hanbot sees it
1949422;1572717139;mircea_popescu;"Zici ca de m-ai fi cerut mamei tale nora-n casa, n-as fi vrut sa merg? E, lasa! Ca de-o fata cui-i pasa, nu se ia dupa parut! De-ntrebai, ai fi vazut!"
1949423;1572717157;mircea_popescu;as it happens i was just going through the complete works by cosbuc these days
1949424;1572717415;hanbot;can there be a bolunzeala of writing, then?
1949425;1572718197;mircea_popescu;most puppy love letters are, neh ?
1949426;1572721737;BingoBoingo;Lots of derps out with commie flags today, Still in the awkward between campaigns period where actors in the local democracy gotta pick up all their shit from the previous campaign or get fined to hell.
1949427;1572721927;*;BingoBoingo has a hypothesis that the politics of most local females can be discerned through the shape of their ass. Seems to have far more predictive power than skin color or any other pseudoscientific traits.
1949428;1572722027;BingoBoingo;The more of a pleasant exercised flare present, the more likely they are to be hostile to the local left
1949429;1572722366;BingoBoingo;Nothing I've associated with the local XY population seems to have the same predictive value for this other than whether or not they are dressed in the traditional manner of the local Vaqueros.
1949430;1572724215;feedbot;http://billymg.com/2019/11/bug-fix-to-preserve-encoded-html-characters-in-post-body-between-edits/ << billymg -- Bug fix to preserve encoded html characters in post body between edits
1949431;1572725733;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in [http://kolector.ro/2010/04/17/mircea-popescu-da-adunarea-pentru-bloggerii-faini-la-timisoara/][very old things]...
1949432;1572727270;mircea_popescu;hey spyked check this stuff out! http://kolector.ro/2014/12/16/marturia-unei-corespondente-necenzurate-despre-teroarea-regimului-dej/
1949433;1572727275;mircea_popescu;esp the comments
1949434;1572728901;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/11/us-meddling-provoked-defeat-of-mexican-military-police-by-commercial-enterprise/ << Qntra -- US Meddling Provoked Defeat Of Mexican Military, Police By Commercial Enterprise
1949435;1572732914;jurov;!!v 3E4257EA0CDC45FF7DFA0ACD9C6D593A85A952085F85E25134F98BCECE1C9F7E
1949436;1572732917;deedbot;jurov paid BingoBoingo invoice 16
1949437;1572732934;jurov;^ rather late, sorry
1949438;1572732942;BingoBoingo;jurov: ty
1949439;1572732994;BingoBoingo;jurov: The lateness is fine. What have you been up to recently?
1949440;1572733240;jurov;messing around with common lisp... but nothing finished, i'm hopeless tinkerer
1949441;1572733289;BingoBoingo;Did you ever end up selling that apartment?
1949442;1572733320;jurov;yep, but for fiat
1949443;1572733339;jurov;!!deed http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=vNfY
1949444;1572733341;deedbot;accepted: 1
1949445;1572767554;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/in-psychology-and-psychiatry/ << Trilema -- In psychology and psychiatry...
1949446;1572772146;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-02#1949366 <-- kinda gives me the impulse to make a pass through the whole blog. too bad he stopped posting in 2014 (minus the 2019 post on yebay)
1949447;1572772147;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-02 17:46:05 mircea_popescu: hey spyked check this stuff out! http://kolector.ro/2014/12/16/marturia-unei-corespondente-necenzurate-despre-teroarea-regimului-dej/
1949448;1572772214;spyked;one of the lulzier bits: [http://kolector.ro/2012/03/15/ceausescu-portretele-luptatorului-condamnat-la-tinerete-fara-batranete/][ceausescu, forever young]
1949449;1572772587;spyked;in other sunday rss epiphanies, I just figured out why [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-02#1949277][this] might not work while reading [http://trilema.com/2019/in-psychology-and-psychiatry/?b=The%20first%20time&e=else.#select][this]. long story short, it's (currently) not a rule that articles are published and displayed in the rss feed in the order of postids. wp lets me publish e.g. ?p=398 a
1949450;1572772587;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-02 06:22:48 mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-02#1949252 << i woukldn't even protest if you expected a monotonically increasing guid tbh.
1949451;1572772593;spyked;fter ?p=453 if I've finished writing the former after the latter.
1949452;1572772809;spyked;so far looking at the rss list-of-items as an ordered list sounds like the simplest and cleanest approach, I currently dun see any reason why the blog would change that on reconfigs.
1949453;1572772873;*;spyked bbl, gotta tend to various chores
1949454;1572776678;mircea_popescu;spyked, i think he died.
1949455;1572776782;mircea_popescu;good point re guids huh.
1949456;1572777784;mircea_popescu;in other lulz : the usaf actually paradropped some early color revolutionaries in 1953. it... [https://www.buciumul.ro/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/DSCN9792-3.jpg][didn't work out].
1949457;1572796264;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/being-an-engineer-the-mental-disorder/ << Trilema -- "Being an engineer", the mental disorder
1949458;1572797710;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/11/airstrip-one-labour-mp-keith-vaz-suspended-6-months-for-his-handling-of-coke-and-rentboys/ << Qntra -- Airstrip One: Labour MP Keith Vaz Suspended 6 Months For His Handling Of Coke And Rentboys
1949459;1572808166;feedbot;http://thewhet.net/2019/11/the-right-thing/ << The Whet -- The Right Thing
1949460;1572861029;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/closing-statement-for-no-such-labs-snsa/ << Trilema -- Closing statement for No Such lAbs (S.NSA)
1949461;1572863047;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo_, mod6 asciilifeform ^ by above item i'm to take receipt of 0.9 btc from someone there ; what's the status of pizarro liquidation ?
1949462;1572863100;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, wanna return on http://ossasepia.com/2019/10/31/working-with-ideals-and-perfections/#comment-6848 now ? tomorrow ? wed ?
1949463;1572868661;mp_en_viaje;mkay, so unless i gravely misunderstand something, there do indeed seem to be some items that may be worth something in http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-01#1949202 ; namely a coupla opteron boxes and a dozen fgs + coupla more without trims.
1949464;1572868661;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-01 17:24:31 asciilifeform: !!deed http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/snsa_1_nov_2019.txt
1949465;1572868738;mp_en_viaje;i'm thinking the correct move here is to auction the lot (specifically, items 1, 2 and 4 through 7 on that list), the buyer to arrange delivery from us and uy at his pleasure.
1949466;1572868773;mp_en_viaje;i'm further thinking this should proceed without reserve, since it's not possible they could sell for the 1.8 paperwork indicates, i can't think of some good way to obtain another value, and besides we want this to not take forever.
1949467;1572868800;mp_en_viaje;comments welcome ; as things currently stand i'm thinking a one week auction starting tomorrow is the way to go here.
1949468;1572872459;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: wed would work best.
1949469;1572872475;mp_en_viaje;aite, wed it is.
1949470;1572877515;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: Sorry, still doing the numbers and accompanying log/notes archaeology. Unless I hit a very hard problem I'm probably 12-18 hours away from pushing out a "pre-closing statement" for people to make their claims against, etc.
1949471;1572877618;mp_en_viaje;a ok.
1949472;1572877717;BingoBoingo;After some period for auctions/claims, etc, it seems like that's the time to put a nail in it.
1949473;1572877875;feedbot;http://www.krankendenken.com/2019/11/mp-wp-botkvvpatch/ << Krankendenken -- mp-wp-bot.kv.vpatch
1949474;1572878265;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, aite ; it's been what, a month already ?
1949475;1572878583;mp_en_viaje;lobbes, the excerpter seems to be pretty thoroughly broken ; other than the weird you describe, it also apparently strips spaces incomprehensibly when doing the ?b=&e= automatic population for trackbacks. (for example http://trilema.com/2019/closing-statement-for-no-such-labs-snsa/?b=overthesix&e=over#select ; as pointed out by whaack )
1949476;1572878602;mp_en_viaje;if you were to give it a looksee that'd be most helpful.
1949477;1572879105;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: Right. I expect the statement will be complete and the dispute period won't need anymore time than an auction does. The couple silent absentee customers will get their remaining customer equity pushed into their deedbot wallets. Loading the Feb/March 2018 - September 2019 stretch into the head again to make sure I'm not missing anything has been... a something.
1949478;1572881443;mp_en_viaje;i bet.
1949479;1572881720;BingoBoingo;* September 2018
1949480;1572894375;diana_coman;!!up mats hi mats, what are you up to those days?
1949481;1572894375;deedbot;mats voiced for 30 minutes.
1949482;1572894556;mats;enjoying the outdoors and new hobbies, nothing exciting
1949483;1572894584;diana_coman;mats: is being here among those new hobbies or what?
1949484;1572894891;mats;did you really up me to passive aggressively interrogate me over idling in chan
1949485;1572894944;diana_coman;mats: no; I upped you to figure out what you are actually doing since you seemed to have become again active; why does that strike you as aggressive?
1949486;1572895360;mp_en_viaje;eh, did i miss out on moar dramaz ?
1949487;1572895411;mats;im not active, ive been following the various logs for about seven years
1949488;1572895436;mp_en_viaje;incidentally, it occurs to me, bvt had [http://bvt-trace.net/2019/10/fg-fed-linux-rng/][just completed] a large pile of work re getting the fg in the kernel.
1949489;1572895443;diana_coman;mats: wouldn't you want to become active? what help do you need there?
1949490;1572895447;mp_en_viaje;what're your thoughts on that matter, m'lord ?
1949491;1572895502;mats;i want to assist, and occasionally do so when my limited ability permits, but my primary concern is building my personal wealth and leaving usa
1949492;1572895535;diana_coman;mats: there are in #o quite a few people who did that, maybe you can learn something there?
1949493;1572895582;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: fwiw I looked those last days at the fg each and every way I could and I still like it; the only difference is that now I have to figure out some time somewhere and make one with own hands.
1949494;1572895604;diana_coman;but I'd certainly want to hear bvt's thoughts on it.
1949495;1572895661;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, other than being perhaps overbulky, i can think of nothing wrong with the item.
1949496;1572895689;diana_coman;I can see the overbulky angle.
1949497;1572895690;mp_en_viaje;you gonna bid on the s.nsa auction then ? i really hope it's not gonna be a sad case of crickets.
1949498;1572895717;diana_coman;ah, hm, that's a point; yes, I think I will (though I do need to write stuff down there, huh).
1949499;1572895731;mp_en_viaje;mats, how's that coming along then ?
1949500;1572895765;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, stuff down where you mean ?
1949501;1572895905;diana_coman;ahahaha
1949502;1572895921;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: just on paper.
1949503;1572895938;mp_en_viaje;oh i c
1949504;1572896124;mats;the former is proceeding slowly and latter in fits and starts, usa has a strong gravity
1949505;1572896156;mats;still sad mpex went private
1949506;1572896170;mod6;mp_en_viaje: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=1zQF
1949507;1572896176;mp_en_viaje;finance is hard, what can i say.
1949508;1572896189;mp_en_viaje;!!up mats
1949509;1572896190;deedbot;mats voiced for 30 minutes.
1949510;1572896195;BingoBoingo;It really only seems to have that gravity.
1949511;1572896239;diana_coman;mats: so what's your concrete plan there and why is it slowly /in fits and starts?
1949512;1572896467;mats;id like to reverse programs for a living and carpal tunnel has been a physical and psychological impediment
1949513;1572896556;diana_coman;mats: isn't that something you can do from anywhere though? ie why not get out first (esp if otherwise strong pull so presumably the later you leave it the harder it gets)?
1949514;1572896575;mats;ive been at it a while, unsure whether or not to throw in the towel and go back to doing jr mgmt 'cyber' nonsense where i'd be massively overcompensated for my ability
1949515;1572896609;diana_coman;mats: isn't your main goal now to make enough to escape? logically then you should go for whatever gets you the most money faster, no?
1949516;1572896635;mats;yes, its debilitating and ive burned out before
1949517;1572896721;diana_coman;mats: which of them is that with the burned out & debilitating, the cyber nonsense?
1949518;1572896790;mats;honestly anything involving a keyboard for more than 2h a day is debilitating
1949519;1572896801;mp_en_viaje;mod6, i'm sorry, i don't have the time/patience to follow alf dramaz. re being negrated and mpex function, in general : i've always to date sent people their shit ~before~ negrating them, because indeed the substantive meaning of my negrating you is that you can't use any of mine / my friends' shit anymore. this hasn't prevented the occasional asshole from making the occasional false claims, which situation hasn't much int
1949520;1572896801;mp_en_viaje;erested me to date, nor is likely to start interesting me in the future.
1949521;1572896801;mp_en_viaje;now, more's the point, what the fuck are you planning to do such that you think you should be negrated for it, and why the fuck would you.
1949522;1572896859;mp_en_viaje;mats, that's pretty fucking terrible, 2h/day, srsly ?!
1949523;1572896909;diana_coman;mats: sucks; but dunno, maybe really you need a custom-made keyboard /mouse? afaik from others it can make wonders; if the problem is that bad something is seriously wrong there.
1949524;1572896943;mp_en_viaje;what is he, like in his 30s ? this might be the worst case of carpal i ever heard of, good grief.
1949525;1572896961;diana_coman;I don't actually know mats' age.
1949526;1572896966;mats;late 20s
1949527;1572896970;diana_coman;o.O
1949528;1572896975;mats;had it since late teens actually.
1949529;1572896984;mp_en_viaje;post-traumatic ?
1949530;1572897007;mp_en_viaje;most people have to spend 20+ years being hand loomers & such before getting crippled by it.
1949531;1572897060;*;mp_en_viaje is very ostentatious about his "carpal syndrome", which consists in some stiffness w/o loss of sensation if fucking with computers for 12+ hours straight. apparently, it's mostly imaginary irl.
1949532;1572897088;mod6;mp_en_viaje: Thank you for the response. I don't plan on doing anything to get neg-rated. Just having been in the soup, as it were, for some time. Figured, my turn is coming. But I hope I'm wrong about that.
1949533;1572897093;diana_coman;there are also exercises and all that but honestly if that's bad I can't consider the keyboard+mouse "fine"
1949534;1572897127;mats;its because of heavy chording with elaborate wow keybinds
1949535;1572897152;diana_coman;so uhm, don't do that?
1949536;1572897191;mats;i'm embarassed, and i haven't played the game in a decade
1949537;1572897232;diana_coman;mats: seriously, as aggressive as I might seem to you, maybe read the #ossasepia logs and figure some help out.
1949538;1572897255;mp_en_viaje;mod6, that's a rather weird way to think about it, don't you find ? wtf am i, the man-eating ogre ? and wtf are you, princess rapunzel, asleeep in a castle, waiting for prince to come wake you up with a kiss / eat your babies, at his options ?
1949539;1572897298;mp_en_viaje;wouldn't it be more towards this side of sanity river to actually be doing shit to crawl out of whatever bowl of soup, perhaps documenting them / working with the people specializing in helpong etc ?
1949540;1572897344;mp_en_viaje;mats, i expect over the past three decades i used computers for upwards of 50k hours. and yes, a good chunk of that was playng, but...
1949541;1572897361;mp_en_viaje;i dunno, i guess my proverbial laziness saved me, i never got into the precision orchestra raid bs. wtf am i, a concert pianist ?
1949542;1572897397;mats;i played 100% pvp, never had any interest in killing mobs for hours
1949543;1572897429;mp_en_viaje;ah ? i thought it's mostly the elaborate raiding gymnastics that do the player hands in. so... did you ever make the ladders ?
1949544;1572897481;mod6;mp_en_viaje: Well, like I was saying, the thought never entered my mind before; but figured, I'd better ask and see in case it does.
1949545;1572897516;mod6;Yeah, on the side of sanity river, these would be good starts to getting out of said hot-water.
1949546;1572897535;mp_en_viaje;what are you doing these days, anyways ?
1949547;1572897612;mats;i wasnt very good, iirc hovering around top 100 2v2, 3v3 teams on the most competitive server at the time
1949548;1572897638;*;BingoBoingo suspects his peculiar typing habits (more tuba than piano finger movements) are responsible for a lack of keyboard time to wrist pain conenction. The downside of this is a non-trivial error rate in typing.
1949549;1572897683;mats;esports players have a very high incidence of injury afaik
1949550;1572897738;BingoBoingo;Anyone who takes their pursuits to the level of "sport" have a high incidence of either injury or odd physiological adaptations deviating from normal.
1949551;1572897750;BingoBoingo;Goes with being competitive
1949552;1572897751;mp_en_viaje;now this is true.
1949553;1572897757;mats;in wow it depended on which class you played, i had arrangements like ctrl+shift+A|S|D|F, ctrl+alt+QWERTY, the dumbest ongoing error i have ever made
1949554;1572897760;mp_en_viaje;kinda wjhat "sport' came to mean, "stop having fun guys, be in pain instead"
1949555;1572897770;mats;at least rms had emacs to show
1949556;1572897788;mod6;A bunch of different things: Looking at some options for work for next year, Q1 I think. Working on a whole parade of home-related repairs/upgrades. Following on and trying to help/give advise where I can re: Pizarro. Working on getting some of my blog posts re-posted. Spent a bit of time trying to get the Foundation's ML back working -- since I had a bunch of trouble with that, I've since just posted th
1949557;1572897794;mod6;e archives. I think going forward we'll either need to get it in working order again, or find something new.
1949558;1572897808;mp_en_viaje;mats, you know, these retrospective "what have i to show" saddened all sort of great minds to date. pepys' journal is fulla "lost my work / lost my toil" etc.
1949559;1572897810;mats;thanks diana_coman, ill read the logs
1949560;1572897813;diana_coman;BingoBoingo: dunno, fwiw I rather think my previous piano-play xp actually helped a lot re typing-without-injuries.
1949561;1572897850;mp_en_viaje;mod6, so mostly what the latinos call "alma de casa" ?
1949562;1572897868;*;BingoBoingo usually does three fingers for letters, pinkies for shift&ctrl, spacebar open to being hit by whatever. Letter come out in bursts, usually no more than a couple measures at a time.
1949563;1572897873;diana_coman;mats: no problem; and do ask in #o chan if there's anything unclear in there.
1949564;1572897922;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: AHA, but I never got into piano. My fingers understand buttons from a Tuba instrument family point of view.
1949565;1572897926;mod6;mp_en_viaje: Hmm, not sure if I understand the reference exactly. But yeah, had a whole pile of repairs to do around here. Has been keeping me on my toes since late sept.
1949566;1572897960;mp_en_viaje;alma = soul, casa = home. how they call a homebody i guess or somesuch. someone whose central pursuits is the maintaining of their home.
1949567;1572898011;BingoBoingo;Here I see more "ama de casa" used by housekeepers who've had their traditional arrangements fucked to hell by the local commies.
1949568;1572898028;mod6;Well, in that case, yes, for now. I'd been pretty far behind on such things. But getting caught up. Only got like 3 more major things to complete. Only two of which will probably get done before spring.
1949569;1572898082;mod6;(On account of the weather turning sour in these recent weeks.)
1949570;1572898634;nicoleci;mp_en_viaje, oh yes you're missing out....you should see that thing! asciilifeform couldn't convincingly larp an isp, & is now going to larp - the whole orchestra instead
1949571;1572899474;BingoBoingo;nicoleci: I suspect his putting all of these things on his shoulders has the potential to be his healthiest course of action
1949572;1572899545;BingoBoingo;It's a substantial part of the sadness of the situation.
1949573;1572900082;mp_en_viaje;well, it's always good to be thorough.
1949574;1572900142;mp_en_viaje;but as far as the weather goes, this was a superb autumn in yurp, had like one day of rain in five weeks' journeys, and even now, it's just sunny and beautiful.
1949575;1572900433;BingoBoingo;Good to hear. Here it has been the RioPlatense spring mix of rain, sun, heat, and mild chill, frequently all inside the same day.
1949576;1572900632;bvt;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-04#1949422 << well, still have to do measurements (end of this week if everything goes right), then it would become possible to decide if everything works.
1949577;1572900632;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-04 15:29:03 mp_en_viaje: incidentally, it occurs to me, bvt had [http://bvt-trace.net/2019/10/fg-fed-linux-rng/][just completed] a large pile of work re getting the fg in the kernel.
1949578;1572900645;bvt;re closing of s.nsa an the related conflict, i will do a post on this (imo irc would be a bad medium for this purpose, at least for me). i can increase the priority of this post if people consider it a pressing matter.
1949579;1572900703;mp_en_viaje;i don't think it's a pressing matter ; i'll certainly read it.
1949580;1572900871;mp_en_viaje;i'm mostly trying to avoid sourness in the vein of "i was doing X then things changed from under me", like eg at some point occured re cuntoo. seems to me low volume participants are particularly vulnerable -- not that low volume is in itself any kinda crime.
1949581;1572900944;mp_en_viaje;low volume
1949582;1572900951;mp_en_viaje;low volume ~on irc~ i mean.
1949583;1572901005;mp_en_viaje;like, plainly : people who do a lot but don't talk a lot may be not talking a lot because they don't need to ; but may also not be talking for extraneous reasons, even though they do need to. it's impossible to dsicern which of the two is taking place from the other end, specifically because low volume = weak sample = no basis to guess.
1949584;1572901176;mp_en_viaje;in the terminology of [http://trilema.com/2013/youre-gonna-have-to-learn-that-variety-speak/#footnote_15_51632][turns], people who don't get their turn are more likely to also not do anything to fix it. so i'm tryin to make a point of it.
1949585;1572901183;*;mp_en_viaje will let this rest now, was beated to deth.
1949586;1572901750;bvt;i didn't think any special activity was urgently required from me, and the blogpost with my comments on the matter will come a bit later; i can see re weak sample
1949587;1572910069;hanbot;re "related confict", gotta admit i've gotten rather sad from the way it's decayed. i guess stating it as such is my attempt to let it go; i've said what i thought was relevant on thewhet and well...pfft.
1949588;1572913173;mp_en_viaje;hanbot, remarkably, diana_coman actually predicted the whole decay spiral last week. quite accurately, at that.
1949589;1572913189;mp_en_viaje;experience conquers all or something.
1949590;1572913992;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-04#1949410 << kk, I'll do some digging on it and see what's up.
1949591;1572913992;ericbot;Logged on 2019-11-04 14:46:15 mp_en_viaje: if you were to give it a looksee that'd be most helpful.
1949592;1572916148;asciilifeform;!!v 9A16F7EB27D7A42448B7161DBAF2D1628CD6CF349940ED999560A8A5A9A35B48
1949593;1572916151;deedbot;asciilifeform paid mircea_popescu invoice 2
1949594;1572917351;*;mp_en_viaje tips hat
1949595;1572930232;*;BingoBoingo going to have to sleep before publishing Pizarro accounting. On the plus side receipts I had placed in a weathered envelope labeled "Keep" have finally been found in a pristine, unlabled envelope. There will be a paddling.
1949596;1572930364;*;BingoBoingo also stood up the Pizarro www to assist checking the archaeology which is at the stage for checking instead of further digging.
1949597;1572930409;BingoBoingo;It will take a substantial interruption to not have the pre-closing statement published by midnight UTC
1949598;1572943308;mp_en_viaje;peterl & all : would you mind terribly if you referred to your articles, on your blogs, as articles ? it's what they are, i get it, you post them, but calling them "posts" makes about as much sense as calling cars "a drived" and girls "a fucked". you don't go about bars with a "hey, fucked! wanna do shots ?", do you ?
1949599;1572943327;mp_en_viaje;it's bad gtamar, to begin with, what desophistication is this!
1949600;1572943335;mp_en_viaje;gtamar = grammar*
1949601;1572943441;mp_en_viaje;otherwise, diana_coman http://peterl.xyz/2019/10/regarding-v/ << is this homework you assigned ?
1949602;1572943995;spyked;mp_en_viaje, it's "post"<->"fuck" tho, innit? so "she was a good fuck" is a closer analogy
1949603;1572944021;mp_en_viaje;heh, i guess that's true huh
1949604;1572944093;mp_en_viaje;i dunno, it fucking grates, on the level of wow kiddos saying "rouge" for rogue and midwesterner 15yos saying "scratch" for "itch".
1949605;1572944197;spyked;tbf, I can see the argument. "article" was already there, so adding the "post" slang is somewhat similar to how romanians added the new meaning for "locatie" in the lang. what's wrong with "loc" anyway
1949606;1572944201;mp_en_viaje;meanwhile in further lulz of very VERY scary mp petrifying [http://trilema.com/2019/being-an-engineer-the-mental-disorder/][engineers], http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=e8FF
1949607;1572944210;mp_en_viaje;talk about that [http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2019/the-road-to-ossasepia-part-1/?b=Republicope&e=Repu#comment-10][culture gap].
1949608;1572944241;mp_en_viaje;o btw, jfw why is your ~comment link(off of 2019-11-05 @ >>>08:38<<<) come with a select preset ?!
1949609;1572944286;mp_en_viaje;oh i see what happened, it just carried over, right right. nevermind.
1949610;1572944345;mp_en_viaje;spyked, i wouldn't say "romanians" did it. [http://trilema.com/2009/piulitia-romana/][piulitia] did it, the sort of retarded wanna-be bureaucrat goat. "extorsiunea unui degajament", exactly.
1949611;1572944561;spyked;yeah... well, somehow it stuck.
1949612;1572944594;mp_en_viaje;to whom ?
1949613;1572944639;mp_en_viaje;eg, http://trilema.com/2010/perversitatea-romanilor-studiu-etnobotanic/
1949614;1572944783;spyked;it's commonly used among orcs, even the more educated ones. and well, I tend to pester the people I care about with locatie/loc and inovativ/inovator and so on.
1949615;1572944799;mp_en_viaje;alrighty then :D
1949616;1572944812;mp_en_viaje;can add "sinistru" to the list.
1949617;1572944857;mp_en_viaje;(though, honestly, after that article the ro journo-hos took it out of the news, iirc the trend of "news reporters" calling rando events "sinistru" ended by early 2010s)
1949618;1572944921;spyked;also, "epic", e.g. "a fost epic filmul ala"; "ah, credeam ca a fost liric, bine ca nu dramatic"
1949619;1572945222;mp_en_viaje;that doth grate in romanian. in english by now it's... i guess it won. evidently [http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=epic][maddox] not that widely read / powerful linguistically
1949620;1572945384;mp_en_viaje;anyways, to fix the tard's definition, since i had to fucking link idiots : epic does not mean "massive and imposing in scale or size". i get ~why~ socialism/ourdemocracy would THINK SO, but it's still not true. epic means "a story of men". quite literally, that's what it is, the discussion of heroes in heroic terms.
1949621;1572945396;mp_en_viaje;while lyrical is a story of women -- which is why it doesn't USE NAMES.
1949622;1572945406;mp_en_viaje;drama meanwhile's what happens when the gods get involved.
1949623;1572945859;mp_en_viaje;in other lulz, hey nicoleci ! check out what i found on trilema : http://trilema.com/2011/nicias-quidam/
1949624;1572946044;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-05#1949532 - technically it was "a blog post"; going for correctness there, I would even question wtf is "blog" anyway, since I get it, binary log except I don't write in binary, what.
1949625;1572946045;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-05 04:46:58 mp_en_viaje: peterl & all : would you mind terribly if you referred to your articles, on your blogs, as articles ? it's what they are, i get it, you post them, but calling them "posts" makes about as much sense as calling cars "a drived" and girls "a fucked". you don't go about bars with a "hey, fucked! wanna do shots ?", do you ?
1949626;1572946067;diana_coman;so yeah, it is correct to call them articles and to call the "blog" a book I suppose.
1949627;1572946084;diana_coman;or what, gazette
1949628;1572946110;mp_en_viaje;what's wrong with having a blog fulla articles ?
1949629;1572946176;mp_en_viaje;moreover, what we do has so little in common with what the bleaters call posts... the [http://trilema.com/2015/heres-what-you-dont-know-or-understand-about-facebook-everything/][facebook items] are properly called posts. dozen-charactger gibberish.
1949630;1572946189;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-05#1949535 - oh boy; it's a cribbed-assignment basically, aka he talked in #o nonsense over the head of people actually committed and working on it so I told him to go write on his blog what he wants and otherwise [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-29#1007882][apply] if he means anything.
1949631;1572946190;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-05 04:49:11 mp_en_viaje: otherwise, diana_coman http://peterl.xyz/2019/10/regarding-v/ << is this homework you assigned ?
1949632;1572946190;ossabot;(ossasepia) 2019-10-29 diana_coman: PeterL: and for completion, the application 2-steps process applies to you just the same as to any newcomer (if anything, due to do-nothing history, you start with a minus compared to them).
1949633;1572946236;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, the reason i brought it up being specifically "In the past, software development could be done by applying a series of patches to arrive at a final program state. With v, the patch is replaced with the slightly different vpatch, as described below."
1949634;1572946246;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: blog is just a made up word as much as post is.
1949635;1572946258;mp_en_viaje;if indeed software could so be developed, then indeed it SHOULD CONTINUE.
1949636;1572946291;mp_en_viaje;things haven't changed because "the present" meanwhile turned into "in the past" through the unyielding workings of jesus' birth ever distancing itself from us at the rate of 1 year each easter.
1949637;1572946321;diana_coman;myeah, except I would much rather give feedback to those who committed and work themselves to use it.
1949638;1572946332;mp_en_viaje;dude doesn't understand why software development ~couldn't~ be done in the past, which'd be the only point making a discussion of v worthwhile in the fist place.
1949639;1572946338;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, fair enough.
1949640;1572946363;mp_en_viaje;and re made up words... well of course ? i mean, all words are made up, what would be the alternative
1949641;1572946439;diana_coman;yes, but "post" there for all its similarity to "to post to the blog" is just as made up, as far as I can see; a blog post, as there is a newspaper article, dunno; and in the vein of "just as much to do with what they are doing otherwise", wouldn't that hold for articles too?
1949642;1572946456;diana_coman;what, those articles they write in the new yorker or the wired or what
1949643;1572946464;mp_en_viaje;seems to me article's exactly what we're doing.
1949644;1572946485;mp_en_viaje;nah, article is a wider word than that. "articles of incorporation" predates the newspaper / tin alley morti di fame trying to steal it.
1949645;1572946504;diana_coman;ah, in that sense; yes, that would be it indeed.
1949646;1572946507;diana_coman;all right, articles it is!
1949647;1572946510;mp_en_viaje;was my thinking
1949648;1572946617;mp_en_viaje;article (n.)
1949649;1572946617;mp_en_viaje;c. 1200, "separate parts of anything written" (such as the statements in the Apostles' Creed, the clauses of a statute or contract), from Old French article (13c.), from Latin articulus "a part, a member," also "a knuckle; the article in grammar," diminutive of artus "a joint," from PIE *ar(ə)-tu-, suffixed form of root *ar- "to fit together."
1949650;1572946617;mp_en_viaje;Meaning "literary composition in a journal, etc." (independent and on a specific topic, but part of a larger work) is first recorded 1712. The older sense is preserved in Articles of War "military regulations" (1716), Articles of Confederation (U.S. history), etc. Extended meaning "piece of property, material thing, commodity" (clothing, etc.) first attested 1796, originally in rogue's cant. Grammatical sense of "word used
1949651;1572946618;mp_en_viaje; attributively, to limit the application of a noun to one individual or set of individuals" is from 1530s, from this sense in Latin articulus, translating Greek arthron.
1949652;1572946658;mp_en_viaje;in any case, the morphological description of the articulation of thought : a pile of articles, and the web of links tieing them together.
1949653;1572946713;diana_coman;yes, that would be quite it (or it should better be it).
1949654;1572947003;mp_en_viaje;aand in re http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-04#1949401 :
1949655;1572947004;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-04 08:05:05 mp_en_viaje: comments welcome ; as things currently stand i'm thinking a one week auction starting tomorrow is the way to go here.
1949656;1572947005;mp_en_viaje;!XAuction 1 168 selling items 1, 2 and 4 through 7 on http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/snsa_1_nov_2019.txt ; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
1949657;1572947009;mp_en_viaje;!xsell 1 168 selling items 1, 2 and 4 through 7 on http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/snsa_1_nov_2019.txt ; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
1949658;1572947016;mp_en_viaje;!Xsell 1 168 selling items 1, 2 and 4 through 7 on http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/snsa_1_nov_2019.txt ; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
1949659;1572947016;auctionbot;Sell order # 1063 created by mp_en_viaje: selling items 1, 2 and 4 through 7 on http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/snsa_1_nov_2019.txt ; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Opening: 1 ecu Ending: 2019-11-12 15:43:00.630180 UTC (167 hours)
1949660;1572947025;mp_en_viaje;there we go.
1949661;1572947062;mp_en_viaje;ftr, there's 10 ecu to the bitcent, meaning the above's priced at a fraction of a fiat cent currently.
1949662;1572947280;diana_coman;if they get delivered in eulora it'd be grand.
1949663;1572947304;mp_en_viaje;lol but how, they're physical itemz
1949664;1572947325;mp_en_viaje;meanwhile in back to school news, https://66.media.tumblr.com/9d4b0240a18fd120f26db20c7d0d987e/tumblr_pgxey2Hvry1xy71o1o1_500.jpg
1949665;1572953991;mp_en_viaje;spyked, weirdly enough, i've not been getting anymore feeds from feedbot since sun. is it brokt ?
1949666;1572954212;diana_coman;I do get feeds from it, got a bunch today even so it's working at least here.
1949667;1572954577;mp_en_viaje;odd
1949668;1572954898;spyked;mp_en_viaje, there are currently some pending messages to mircea_popescu, but none to mp_en_viaje
1949669;1572954908;mp_en_viaje;oh oh, fuck me. sorry, i got confused.
1949670;1572955111;spyked;hm. also, it's possible it might have missed some when I purged the notification queue following the spam this weekend. lemme know if they still don't get delivered when you go online using mircea_popescu
1949671;1572955187;mircea_popescu;aite then
1949672;1572955200;mircea_popescu;hey feedbot where's muh shit!
1949673;1572955222;mircea_popescu;worx.
1949674;1572955303;spyked;nice. there's probably more on the way
1949675;1572956732;diana_coman;lobbes: where's the help page for auctionbot these days? when I pm-ed it with !Xhelp it turned all windows-help on me: auctionbot> Default help. Known commands: help, ping
1949676;1572962166;PeterL;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-11-05#1949532 << The way I understand, on a blog (short for web log), a post refers to any item, which could be an article. Most posts are articles, I will try to refer to them as such in the future.
1949677;1572962167;snsabot;Logged on 2019-11-05 08:41:55 mp_en_viaje: peterl & all : would you mind terribly if you referred to your articles, on your blogs, as articles ? it's what they are, i get it, you post them, but calling them "posts" makes about as much sense as calling cars "a drived" and girls "a fucked". you don't go about bars with a "hey, fucked! wanna do shots ?", do you ?
1949678;1572962167;lobbesbot;PeterL: Sent 3 days, 12 hours, and 14 minutes ago: http://bingology.net/2019/could-it-be-all-anyserver-needed-to-do-trackbacks-was-a-way-to-handle-domain-names/
1949679;1572962168;lobbesbot;PeterL: Sent 2 days, 17 hours, and 3 minutes ago: http://bingology.net/2019/could-it-be-all-anyserver-needed-to-do-trackbacks-was-a-way-to-handle-domain-names/#comment-1470
1949680;1572962742;PeterL;But I wouldn't call a picture of my cat an article, even if it is a blog post.
1949681;1572963341;nicoleci;mircea_popescu, lol nice find. i remember you telling me about this.
1949682;1572963363;nicoleci;mircea_popescu, also not sure what freenode has against sluts
1949683;1572967468;mircea_popescu;engineer bois.
1949684;1572967490;mircea_popescu;the funny thing is i thought there was a chan in that vein registered already. wasn't there ?!
1949685;1572967694;diana_coman;basically sluts are ....hm, not open enough?
1949686;1572967776;mircea_popescu;lmao
1949687;1572967777;mircea_popescu;they
1949688;1572967804;mircea_popescu;re just scary, the entire existence of all these boi clubs, "open source", "being an engineer" etcetera is predicated on the conceptual treefort.
1949689;1572967822;mircea_popescu;if any girly cunt substance gets in there it permanently ruins things.
1949690;1572967831;auctionbot;Sell order # 1063: selling items 1, 2 and 4 through 7 on http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/snsa_1_nov_2019.txt ; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 1 from asciilifeform. Ending: 2019-11-12 15:43:00.630180 UTC (162 hours 13 mins)
1949691;1572967938;mircea_popescu;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-05#1949614 << which is the problem : you belong on facebook.
1949692;1572967939;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-05 10:10:53 PeterL: But I wouldn't call a picture of my cat an article, even if it is a blog post.
1949693;1572967970;mircea_popescu;intellectually, not yet matured enough to reach past infantile superficiality into adult interesting.
1949694;1572967994;diana_coman;ah, ah, the sluts are [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-05-24#1915460][too open] for open source, I see.
1949695;1572967995;ossabot;Logged on 2019-05-24 02:56:37 mircea_popescu: what do you find scarier, a mouth open so wide you can see the teeth, or a mouth open so wide you can't even see the teeth ?
1949696;1572968036;mircea_popescu;becauise i both would and do call [http://trilema.com/2009/aveam-un-motan/][a picture of my cat an article]. and in my case, it also ~is~ an article.
1949697;1572968085;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, "open as in free not as in beer and source as in [http://trilema.com/2011/o-poza-fara-sursa/][source] not as in entry!!!"
1949698;1572968741;BingoBoingo;!Xbid 1063 10mn
1949699;1572968760;auctionbot;Sell order # 1063: selling items 1, 2 and 4 through 7 on http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/snsa_1_nov_2019.txt ; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 10mn from BingoBoingo outbidding asciilifeform. Ending: 2019-11-12 15:43:00.630180 UTC (161 hours 57 mins)
1949700;1572968762;PeterL;mircea_popescu: that is an article that contains a picture of a cat. My point is that you could post something other than an article.
1949701;1572970228;mircea_popescu;yes, and you're cordially invited to do it on facebook. you could similarily cook using something other than a stove -- such as for instance, an open pit fire. you're cordially invited to do that with your berber brethren, rather than indoors. and so on.
1949702;1572970691;*;BingoBoingo has thought of a blog post as being like a fence post. A structural piece holding together the larger blog as a whole. The poor labeling argument however does carry more weight than my previously private metaphor.
1949703;1572970832;*;hanbot wonders what a writ really is, after all.
1949704;1572970986;BingoBoingo;hanbot: A writ seems like something determined important enough that the order was issued to have the matter written into a writ.
1949705;1572971041;mircea_popescu;traditionally, the notation behind legal proceedings.
1949706;1572971247;hanbot;right, but is writ:written::post:posted ? does the act of ordering scrub 'writ' of its grating-ness? or is the seemingly obvious connection between written and writ wholly imagined?
1949707;1572971541;PeterL;perhaps post (something posted) is analagous to toast (something toasted)?
1949708;1572971580;mircea_popescu;i think "despatch" is more in the vein of what happened there.
1949709;1572971720;BingoBoingo;English isn't a consistent enough language for me to want to save the noun "post" on blogs through comparison to other English language constructions.
1949710;1572971827;BingoBoingo;If it's going to be saved by comparison, I'm inclined to favor comparison to physical posts. Fence posts, mile marker posts, "woe unto he that digs into this buried gas pipe" posts, etc
1949711;1572972422;feedbot;http://thetarpit.org/2019/work-plan-vii << The Tar Pit -- Work plan for M11 2019
1949712;1572972585;hanbot;lol, it occurs to me...should mp-wp backend change to reflect post --> article?
1949713;1572972597;mircea_popescu;i thought it said "publish"
1949714;1572972620;mircea_popescu;but, yes.
1949715;1572972622;hanbot;left column, "posts", add new, etc.
1949716;1572972646;mircea_popescu;ah, yeah. indeed it should.
1949717;1572972658;hanbot;cool, that oughta cement it.
1949718;1572973215;lobbes;diana_coman: idk wtf is going on with the !Xhelp command (I'll check this out), but the help page is here if ya need it again: http://www.krankendenken.com/2018/10/auctionbot-is-live/
1949719;1572973334;diana_coman;lobbes: ah, thank you.
1949720;1572973380;diana_coman;BingoBoingo: that "physical posts" image makes me think of a sort of haphazard hut-of-a-blog, lolz
1949721;1572973728;lobbes;!Xhelp
1949722;1572973729;auctionbot;http://www.krankendenken.com/2018/10/auctionbot-is-live/
1949723;1572973749;lobbes;okay, !Xhelp fixed (got borked in the move between boxes looks like)
1949724;1572973758;lobbes;ty diana_coman for pointing out
1949725;1572973759;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: The process of construction rarely focuses on the aesthetics of process regardless of how much aesthetics factor into the final product.
1949726;1572973848;BingoBoingo;But that is a strong objection because... when is a blog ever finished?
1949727;1572974046;BingoBoingo;Anyways, articles are the future. Noun posts need actual holes dug.
1949728;1572974332;BingoBoingo;In local news: Old woman plans a rebellion https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/topolansky-si-a-la-gente-le-sacas-derechos-te-va-a-aplaudir-no-se-va-a-manifestar--201911585645
1949729;1572974917;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-05#1949577 << I'm sold on 'articles', tho it dun help the cause any that the mp-wp database uses the 'posts' terminology everywhere (posts table, post_id, post_content, etc.)
1949730;1572974917;ericbot;Logged on 2019-11-05 09:37:18 mp_en_viaje: seems to me article's exactly what we're doing.
1949731;1572975456;mircea_popescu;indeed.
1949732;1572975463;mircea_popescu;whatever, now i know i want it fixed.
1949733;1572976394;mircea_popescu;and in other importan points : asciilifeform is not a ~scientist~. asciilifeform is a scienpriest. the difference between the two is that the scientist follows some kind of meaningful structure of reality, that is communicable. "paradigm" or whatever. the scienpriest simply follows his own internal madness. there's a deep difference between the fisherman who goes fishing because there's fish to be fished, adn the primit
1949734;1572976394;mircea_popescu;ive who buries random objects a foot apart in the dirt, fish like corn cobs alike, because that's what he's doing. even if the former returns empty handed and the latter happens to strike a combination that works, nothing changes : one's human and the other not, one's rational and the other's just some flavour of [http://trilema.com/2019/so-what-is-the-man-saying/?b=problem%20of&e=technology#select][magician].
1949735;1572976427;mircea_popescu;the difference between the two readily ilustrated by the issue of recourse : if the fisherman fails to fish, he HAS recourse. if the magician fails to summon, he... has no recourse. can "try again", exactly like before. that's all.
1949736;1572977634;mircea_popescu;there is no such thing as scientist "by himself". contrary to whatever mistaken notions [http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-06#1679600][poor schooling], science is a [http://trilema.com/2017/is-it-still-rape-if-i-write-science-on-my-penis-first/][purely rational process] ; the incommunicably stubborn self-directed bullshit ain't science ~except by accident~.
1949737;1572977634;a111;Logged on 2017-07-06 15:09 mircea_popescu: which is how every god damned kid that was sexually abused through the process of socialist schooling (which is all of them -- education is education, and socialist school is definitionally sexual abuse of all children involved) ends up with the idea that newton sat down TO discover whatever he did (unimportant, really) and THEREFORE he did.
1949738;1572981953;mod6;Hi there all, here's the Foundation Report for October (posted on the website until the ML issue is resolved, or replaced): http://thebitcoin.foundation/reports/btcf_address_201910.txt
1949739;1572982124;feedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2019/11/05/eulora-smg-taking-a-different-sort-of-stock/ << Ossa Sepia -- Eulora (S.MG) - Taking a Different Sort of Stock
1949740;1572987345;mircea_popescu;trinque, you want to weigh in on http://ossasepia.com/2019/11/05/eulora-smg-taking-a-different-sort-of-stock/ btw ?
1949741;1572993624;feedbot;http://bingology.net/2019/pizarro-isp-pre-closing-statement/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Pizarro ISP Pre-Closing Statement
1949742;1572993627;feedbot;http://pizarroisp.net/2019/11/05/pizarro-isp-pre-closing-statement/ << PizarroISP -- Pizarro ISP Pre-Closing Statement
1949743;1572993636;BingoBoingo;^ Pizarro Pre-closing statement has been published. Please submit questions, comments, suggestions, objections, etc soon, but after reading
1949744;1572996216;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/11/old-woman-promises-social-unrest-consequences-for-sake-of-democracy-if-her-party-loses-election/ << Qntra -- Old Woman Promises Social Unrest, Consequences For Sake Of Democracy If Her Party Loses Election
1949745;1573001204;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/11/8chan-briefly-revived-on-bulletproof-hosting-now-offline-after-provider-put-them-on-unregistered-ip-addresses/ << Qntra -- 8Chan Briefly Revived On Bulletproof Hosting, Now Offline After Provider Put Them On Unregistered IP Addresses
1949746;1573012133;feedbot;http://bimbo.club/2019/11/brown-eyes/ << Bimbo Club -- brown eyes
1949747;1573025087;spyked;feedbot is back online, sorry for the downtime (biannual unplanned power outage at house mogosanu)
1949748;1573025160;*;spyked will be offline for most of today, so if this happens again will have to torch the local enel offices or something
1949749;1573025201;diana_coman;spyked: lol, you're setting a bounty there!
1949750;1573025419;spyked;srsly tho, I have no complaints about the service most of the time. but the few times power goes down, it has to be intermittently and with spikes
1949751;1573025430;diana_coman;with spykes
1949752;1573025444;spyked;lol :D
1949753;1573025508;diana_coman;but you know, if the "few times" when it goes down it fucks your electronics, I have no idea how you get to "no complaints"
1949754;1573025816;spyked;indeed. that happened some years ago (burned a disk), which is when I decided to at the very least ups.
1949755;1573035156;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, and in an unexpected turn of events, your pages are now inspiring trilema articles.
1949756;1573035158;mircea_popescu;kudos jfw
1949757;1573035675;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: ha!
1949758;1573035686;diana_coman;and well done jfw !
1949759;1573036318;diana_coman;he can't complain he didn't get feedback :D
1949760;1573036361;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/the-road-to-stupidity-part-0/ << Trilema -- The road to stupidity, part 0
1949761;1573036377;mircea_popescu;lol
1949762;1573036385;diana_coman;but ftr, the fact he writes those in parts is because I set him to do that (as a cure to wasting time otherwise).
1949763;1573036393;mircea_popescu;nothing wrong with that
1949764;1573036416;mircea_popescu;just drove stylistic choice of form, as it happens convenient.
1949765;1573036430;diana_coman;aha, I enjoyed the part 0 :)
1949766;1573036439;*;mircea_popescu has a ready list of many titles, none of which MEAN anything
1949767;1573036440;mircea_popescu;:D :D :D
1949768;1573048774;diana_coman;!Xbid 1063 20mn
1949769;1573048774;auctionbot;Sell order # 1063: selling items 1, 2 and 4 through 7 on http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/snsa_1_nov_2019.txt ; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 20mn from diana_coman outbidding BingoBoingo. Ending: 2019-11-12 15:43:00.630180 UTC (139 hours 44 mins)
1949770;1573052588;*;mircea_popescu waves at diana_coman
1949771;1573052719;diana_coman;oh hi
1949772;1573052745;*;BingoBoingo waves at all
1949773;1573052839;mircea_popescu;lol
1949774;1573052840;BingoBoingo;Goes with being located at an extreme point on the map. All I gotta do is wave North and everyone's covered within a reasonable margin of error, Porteños notably outside the salutation.
1949775;1573053191;mircea_popescu;so let's hear ?
1949776;1573053216;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: ah, I was waiting on you and you were waiting on me?
1949777;1573053224;mircea_popescu;apparently!
1949778;1573053265;diana_coman;as per http://ossasepia.com/2019/11/05/eulora-smg-taking-a-different-sort-of-stock/ I think there are a few points:
1949779;1573053271;diana_coman;1. OS issue/choice for S.MG
1949780;1573053281;diana_coman;2. FFA use/integration
1949781;1573053295;diana_coman;3. cumulative effect of various bits and pieces stuck/stalling
1949782;1573053332;diana_coman;4. server(s)
1949783;1573053355;diana_coman;5. concrete next steps
1949784;1573053383;diana_coman;at 4 I mean esp given the fact that the server code is sensitive
1949785;1573053425;diana_coman;this would be my list, let me know if I should detail any point in there.
1949786;1573053505;mircea_popescu;i think it works.
1949787;1573053582;mircea_popescu;are you basically spent in that you've said your piece there and you'djust be stuck reiterating ?
1949788;1573053625;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: I can add detail if/where needed but atm I don't have something I see to add there.
1949789;1573053633;mircea_popescu;aite.
1949790;1573053654;mircea_popescu;so on the 2, to start with that
1949791;1573053681;mircea_popescu;on one hand, i think it really should not be our preoccupation as s.mg. it's not actually important enough.
1949792;1573053710;diana_coman;ok.
1949793;1573053729;mircea_popescu;more broadly what i'm thinking to do is let bvt continue his work on kernelization, because a) the current kernel randomness code is pure shit and b) using a serial interface as the standard is perfectly fine
1949794;1573053751;mircea_popescu;then as need be use either the historical fg, an upgraded item, or basically speaking ~anything else.
1949795;1573053751;diana_coman;I very much like bvt's work for sure.
1949796;1573053774;mircea_popescu;once the kernel has a tty hole in the right place, and the right place is under republican control, i'd say the goal has been done well.
1949797;1573053780;mircea_popescu;unlike before, where it was done unusably.
1949798;1573053803;mircea_popescu;this leads us into 1 :
1949799;1573053813;*;diana_coman is listening
1949800;1573053843;mircea_popescu;the choice before me here is strictly to either a) tell bvt to desist, as the kernel is too cool to be touched by our derpy hands ; or else b) have some kinda process to use custom, bespoke, patched kernels.
1949801;1573053865;mircea_popescu;this is a fact, and i ain't choosing a while calling this republic.
1949802;1573053878;mircea_popescu;so in this sense s.mg will hafta piggyback.
1949803;1573053910;diana_coman;not like s.mg hasn't provided service to the republic so far otherwise.
1949804;1573053910;mircea_popescu;now practically, seems cuntoo is (by far, actually) the least mangy dog in that horse stable, so i guess we're in the business of making it a horse.
1949805;1573053939;mircea_popescu;can you actually boot the server on cuntoo as things stand ?
1949806;1573053942;diana_coman;I'm rather relieved to hear that because indeed, cuntoo is the best candidate I see so far
1949807;1573053974;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: not until I get rid of cs or move it to gnat and build it statically
1949808;1573053995;mircea_popescu;can you boot the server as things stand at all ?
1949809;1573054024;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: what do you mean exactly by "boot the server"? (and which one: production or dev?)
1949810;1573054053;mircea_popescu;well, either, both. you know, run them, what exactly could be involved here ? does your car work or is it just drawn
1949811;1573054102;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: atm as they are none will boot because none are fully statically linked.
1949812;1573054150;mircea_popescu;so even if we had hardware you couldn't bring one up ? what was the "testing" in re http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-14#1945429 ?!
1949813;1573054150;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-14 14:18:25 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945106 - got around to it and can confirm I got it working on Intel too (with minimal changes of kernel config ie selecting Intel rather than AMD flags)
1949814;1573054151;diana_coman;so if we go that route, this would be the first thing to sort out
1949815;1573054183;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: that is AMD with dulap-gentoo aka proto-cuntoo aka NOT fully statically linked
1949816;1573054195;diana_coman;are you confusing amd with cuntoo or what am I confusing here?
1949817;1573054196;mircea_popescu;ah, and it does boot on ~that~
1949818;1573054201;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: indeed it does.
1949819;1573054229;mircea_popescu;i asked if you can boot on cuntoo, you said no. i asked if you can boot at all, you said also no. i verified why no when you said yes prior, turns out you can boot at all, gotta use proto-cuntoo
1949820;1573054290;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: ah, I missed the "at all" nuance in your second question http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1949741 ie I was still in cuntoo-env
1949821;1573054290;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-06 11:31:53 mircea_popescu: can you boot the server as things stand at all ?
1949822;1573054298;mircea_popescu;aite.
1949823;1573054302;diana_coman;sorry.
1949824;1573054336;diana_coman;to fully clarify: I can boot both/either servers on dulap-gentoo on either amd or intel hardware
1949825;1573054345;mircea_popescu;and you verified you can actually deploy this proto cuntoo on various hw, so we're good here : as to 1, smg will use proto-cutnoo until can switch to cuntoo ; and meanwhile ima see what trinque has to say re cuntoo and try to get bvt to patch against it and so on
1949826;1573054421;diana_coman;yes; so we keep then to frozen proto-cuntoo with an idea to hopefully be able to move on to cuntoo when that is ready + we have everything statically linking.
1949827;1573054471;mircea_popescu;you see a better choice ?
1949828;1573054518;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: my main question here would be whether it's worth this intermediate proto-cuntoo step
1949829;1573054527;mircea_popescu;worth what ?
1949830;1573054593;diana_coman;maintaining the frozen dulap-gentoo recipe + all and deploying that + still having afterwards to make the switch to cuntoo when it's ready
1949831;1573054653;diana_coman;on the plus side, we have something that works so there's no beating that
1949832;1573054654;mircea_popescu;well... yes, but can you move cs over ?
1949833;1573054739;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: are we fine with cs as-is on client side? there are 2 aspects there: 1. dynamically linked 2. the dependency on jam/ftjam and all that
1949834;1573054753;diana_coman;if we need to move it anyway, we need to move it and so ...
1949835;1573054778;diana_coman;if we might squeeze without, it's a whole lot of effort&time not poured in there
1949836;1573054786;mircea_popescu;let's not mix the client into this just for a moment
1949837;1573054830;mircea_popescu;as far as just the server is concerned, does it even use cs for anything ?
1949838;1573054831;diana_coman;to answer your q as stated: I can move it but it will take a lot of effort and time (atm I don't have a clear estimate for it but I doubt it's less than a month given all deps)
1949839;1573054853;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: production server "uses" cs because it's intertwined with it (uses data types and the like)
1949840;1573054866;diana_coman;dev server I was gradually extracting CS out of it but I'm not done
1949841;1573054876;mircea_popescu;but it's not a proper dependency, just data types nonsense, classes etc, like with the sad "int" nonsense of yore ?
1949842;1573054898;diana_coman;and otherwise there is no point to using cs on server as far as I can see; wtf does the server need a graphics engine
1949843;1573054930;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: I would say it's a most improper dependency really
1949844;1573054957;mircea_popescu;so i suppose this is the first actionable we unveil here : ima want an estimate on a) how long to divorce dev server from cs ; and b) how long to move client cs on cuntoo.
1949845;1573054976;diana_coman;there would be perhaps some bits like movement calculation but there is no possible reason I can see for that to pull in the whole cs or something ffs; ie it can be done separately, why wouldn't it.
1949846;1573054994;*;diana_coman writing those 2 down
1949847;1573055033;mircea_popescu;but generally, http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1949763 does not to my eye come to much. certainly better than whatever multi-week adventures.
1949848;1573055033;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-06 11:41:51 diana_coman: maintaining the frozen dulap-gentoo recipe + all and deploying that + still having afterwards to make the switch to cuntoo when it's ready
1949849;1573055047;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: there is that, indeed.
1949850;1573055059;diana_coman;cs is the same btw, there is no client-cs and server-cs
1949851;1573055061;mircea_popescu;steam TO THIS DAY has recurrent bugs consisting of completely broken installs produced by failing to upgrade its own fucking lbiraries.
1949852;1573055064;mircea_popescu;they just... ignore it.
1949853;1573055070;mircea_popescu;gotta consider the environment such as it is.
1949854;1573055142;mircea_popescu;people don't like it, people come here ask how to help [trilema.com/2018/the-republic-without-mp/][like good doobies], thing's fixed in no time. otherwise people are more then welcome to go fuck their ugly mothers / cluck on facebook until they fall over.
1949855;1573055163;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, it's the same pile of junk ; but it's very different in terms of utility / justification for impac tin my mind is all.
1949856;1573055203;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: ah, I see; I suppose the thing is that cuntoo is currently a server-side system really (no X)
1949857;1573055222;mircea_popescu;i'm not even necessarily sure that i want to push it into the gfx stack.
1949858;1573055228;diana_coman;so in this sense there's currently little reason to sink time into porting cs
1949859;1573055237;mircea_popescu;god knows my being an engineer slated for that went instead to be stupid.
1949860;1573055260;diana_coman;all right; I'm all for *not* taking on yet another pile of wtf
1949861;1573055267;diana_coman;plenty of those already
1949862;1573055267;mircea_popescu;i'm also not at all sure i want to dictate os or userland/tooling for people running clients.
1949863;1573055282;diana_coman;if only people would start running their own clients!
1949864;1573055295;diana_coman;nobody would dictate them anything for sure.
1949865;1573055300;mircea_popescu;or if only people would start running in general, as opposed to the current decerebrated snailcircle. w/e.
1949866;1573055312;mircea_popescu;let's not get ourselves depressed.
1949867;1573055334;diana_coman;yes; /me read through s.nsa historical reports so got enough of that for today.
1949868;1573055347;diana_coman;anyways, so proto-cuntoo for server side and there's no futzing needed there
1949869;1573055350;mircea_popescu;so, basically, the way this is going is, server on protocuntoo for now and cuntoo in the future ; and ~demo~ client on proto-cuntoo and let the community make whatever it wants.
1949870;1573055362;diana_coman;I will however look into how long it would take to ditch cs on dev server
1949871;1573055377;diana_coman;but no real need to spend time on looking at moving cs, is there?
1949872;1573055387;diana_coman;at least not currently.
1949873;1573055404;mircea_popescu;i would still like an estimate.
1949874;1573055416;diana_coman;then on the list it goes, all right.
1949875;1573055420;mircea_popescu;the decision whether cuntoo is to be headless or x-headed has not yet been made.
1949876;1573055428;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: would the demo client be text-only then or what?
1949877;1573055436;mircea_popescu;no ?
1949878;1573055438;diana_coman;proto-cuntoo is text only and frozen
1949879;1573055441;diana_coman;how would that work?
1949880;1573055445;mircea_popescu;wait, neither cuntoo has x ?
1949881;1573055448;diana_coman;neither.
1949882;1573055452;mircea_popescu;let me restate
1949883;1573055465;mircea_popescu;so, basically, the way this is going is, server on protocuntoo for now and cuntoo in the future ; and ~demo~ client on ubuntu/whateverthefuck, dynamic hell and let the community make whatever it wants.
1949884;1573055471;mircea_popescu;better ?
1949885;1573055475;diana_coman;better.
1949886;1573055484;mircea_popescu;aite so then moving on from 1
1949887;1573055489;diana_coman;gladly
1949888;1573055511;mircea_popescu;didja have anything to say re 3 ?
1949889;1573055548;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: it might be useful to go through the list of things perhaps
1949890;1573055553;mircea_popescu;aite
1949891;1573055576;diana_coman;other than the os since that is at least decided for now, there would be:
1949892;1573055613;diana_coman;the bootstraping rsa keys
1949893;1573055643;mircea_popescu;what's the problem there ?
1949894;1573055643;diana_coman;the moving files in V
1949895;1573055648;mircea_popescu;wait wait.
1949896;1573055657;diana_coman;waiting
1949897;1573055667;mircea_popescu;what's the problem with the rsa bootstrap ?
1949898;1573055732;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: we have eucrypt that generates the rsa keys and serpent and all that client and server need; we however do not have (and it was supposedly in discussion/waiting/etc) a clear way to store them securely; let me dig log ref
1949899;1573055742;mircea_popescu;ah yes.
1949900;1573055746;mircea_popescu;don't bother, i remember.
1949901;1573055780;diana_coman;the [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-01-13#1886467][draft] is all there is as far as I know
1949902;1573055780;ossabot;Logged on 2019-01-13 09:29:50 mircea_popescu: ad interim the draft is, that the client stores all the keys (rsa, serpent, whatever) one per line, the rsa ones in republican format, the rest unspecified as of yet, in a file called keys.tmsr encrypted by the rsa key of the client.
1949903;1573055794;mircea_popescu;the way this is going is that serious player will have dedicated box for eurlora anyways. there's little diff between disk and ram for as long as one uses dedicated box.
1949904;1573055798;mircea_popescu;thus therefore, keys.txt
1949905;1573055814;mircea_popescu;any player not happy with this, can provide patches.
1949906;1573055849;mircea_popescu;whatever, key.tmsr
1949907;1573055855;diana_coman;so stored in plain text and that's that, correct?
1949908;1573055866;mircea_popescu;why can't it just use the client key ?
1949909;1573055876;mircea_popescu;NOT that it makes a difference, the client key will still be there.
1949910;1573055879;diana_coman;it can but the client key itself ?
1949911;1573055885;diana_coman;aha, that.
1949912;1573055906;diana_coman;ie why use the client key if anyway there too, not much to it
1949913;1573055916;mircea_popescu;this bitch.
1949914;1573055947;mircea_popescu;look, practically : either we ask the user to remember a password, or else we ask the user to secure a token/
1949915;1573055954;mircea_popescu;there's not a magic third way.
1949916;1573055957;diana_coman;tbh (and possibly outside S.MG's direct scope) I don't get exactly why don't we have already a command line replacement to gpg, ugh
1949917;1573055974;mircea_popescu;because great scientists are discovering great science
1949918;1573055975;mircea_popescu;with their ass.
1949919;1573055982;diana_coman;sigh
1949920;1573056003;mircea_popescu;YEARS they've been at it, and they have earned all this respect with their useful anal work.
1949921;1573056018;mircea_popescu;back to it, what'd a command line gpg do here ?
1949922;1573056068;diana_coman;my thought was that if *that* was done, the above bootstrapping thing would have ended up getting more attention and thus possibly moving on as well; but this is why I said possibly outside S.MG scope
1949923;1573056077;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1949924;1573056120;mircea_popescu;nope, bitcoin has plaintext wallet for years, something i criticized very harshly.
1949925;1573056142;diana_coman;there is that sadness too
1949926;1573056189;mircea_popescu;we'll redo that stupidity, because [http://trilema.com/2015/theres-a-one-bitcoin-reward-for-the-death-of-pieter-wuille-details-below/][the cuntheads] had other shit to do.
1949927;1573056201;diana_coman;all right; so at any rate, not an issue for S.MG, it will proceed with how things stand and that's that.
1949928;1573056203;mircea_popescu;i'm too lazy to search right now for the article where some power ranger shiothead was "offering to reimplement mpex"
1949929;1573056223;mircea_popescu;where is it, anyway. do you recall it ?
1949930;1573056234;diana_coman;not atm though it does ring a bell.
1949931;1573056269;mircea_popescu;hanbot, see if you can find it, iirc was back in mpoe-pr days
1949932;1573056303;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, people use all sorta lulz, "encrypted drives" whatever nonsense. it's a ridiculous state of affairs, but it's what we god, what can we do.
1949933;1573056331;BingoBoingo;http://trilema.com/2012/the-bitcoin-drama-timeline/ First item
1949934;1573056343;diana_coman;tbh this particular bit with the keys was/is the *main* itchy thing because it feels ridiculous really; I'm doing "encryption" there every which way and then the keys are plain text; but wtf.
1949935;1573056348;mircea_popescu;next item, moving files in v ?! WHAT THE FUCK phf fixed this as the only thing he did in like 3 years.
1949936;1573056376;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo, no, not that.
1949937;1573056396;BingoBoingo;http://trilema.com/2013/why-i-nixed-p2p-colored-coins-and-all-that-jazz/
1949938;1573056405;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: not as far as I know; it was always *not done* but always popping up in people's memory as "working"; except every time I wanted to *move* a file rather than have it del/add, it turned out that ...no.
1949939;1573056425;diana_coman;now if someone has the proof I'm being an idiot on this, please step forwards and hit me with it, I'll be very glad.
1949940;1573056446;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo, nah, 2015ish item, dork in question was very specifically asciilifeforming all over himself, "oh, will take mp out"
1949941;1573056456;BingoBoingo;AH
1949942;1573056477;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, i am greviously unprepared for this.
1949943;1573056485;diana_coman;granted, this is relatively small snag for S.MG, not like eulora can't go on without it but it's annoying esp because of this "seems to have been done"
1949944;1573056509;mircea_popescu;we will have to prorogue this issue for some log reading, because wtf.
1949945;1573056521;diana_coman;ref: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-07-21#1924105
1949946;1573056521;ossabot;Logged on 2019-07-21 08:57:32 diana_coman: hm, current vtools still don't handle move of files or what am I missing here? I made a simple test with moving one file to a different location and as far as I can see, it's still delete + create, no move
1949947;1573056543;mircea_popescu;yet i recall clearly speccing a "move"
1949948;1573056551;mircea_popescu;worked admirably well too.
1949949;1573056561;mircea_popescu;maybe i'm deluded ? will hafta review.
1949950;1573056593;mircea_popescu;for that matter, is there even an actually working vtron ?
1949951;1573056612;mircea_popescu;or the usual byproduct of the undisturbed existence of "engineer" cunts, ie, a pile of cvasi-working shitballs ?
1949952;1573056639;diana_coman;at any rate, my current understanding for S.MG is that it will proceed with what there is and as such the bulk of work stems mainly from the graphics & ironing out the smg comms + new client (plenty there to do but at least I know what I'm looking at)
1949953;1573056698;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: depends on what you mean by "vtron" ; there is http://ossasepia.com/2018/11/13/v-with-vtools-keccak-hashes-and-its-own-tree/
1949954;1573056710;diana_coman;that seems to be referenced/found by people and hence used
1949955;1573056765;mircea_popescu;aite.
1949956;1573056777;mircea_popescu;basically old mod6 v.pl with new phf vtools guts ?
1949957;1573056785;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: quite.
1949958;1573056793;diana_coman;packaged and v-treed.
1949959;1573056813;mircea_popescu;aite. we shall talk again about move later this week then.
1949960;1573056815;mircea_popescu;next ?
1949961;1573056857;diana_coman;those two were most snagging from not-directly-eulora; the rest is mainly the complexity with the graphics & cs
1949962;1573056903;diana_coman;I still had to dive into CS's "shaders" and so at least I know better what those are and how they come into play but that can be written up as it is and taken from there
1949963;1573056909;mircea_popescu;wait i said next too soon.
1949964;1573056915;mircea_popescu;there's also eg http://thetarpit.org/2019/vpl-v-patch-syncing-bug-fix isall this synced ?
1949965;1573057007;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: this is added on my tree, I didn't yet get to sign it
1949966;1573057017;mircea_popescu;aite.
1949967;1573057052;diana_coman;I don't use that init command but at any rate, it's fine as far as I looked at it first pass
1949968;1573057064;mircea_popescu;now as to 4 : i'd obviously like the server back up as soon as possibru.
1949969;1573057068;*;diana_coman takes a note to mirror spyked's sigs too
1949970;1573057092;mircea_popescu;getting a coupla boxes somewhere in the sense of amateurship so dear to the previously tolerated morons is the least of our troubles.
1949971;1573057110;mircea_popescu;is the stuff in a shape you want running publicly as we stand ?
1949972;1573057151;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: the production server has been running before and it can run again as it is; the issue there is really the one concerning access to the code if we just put it ~anywhere.
1949973;1573057167;mircea_popescu;right.
1949974;1573057190;mircea_popescu;but in principle, there's no good dev-side reason to delay.
1949975;1573057192;diana_coman;(the dev server can run but won't do anything for current client)
1949976;1573057200;diana_coman;strictly tech/dev, no
1949977;1573057204;mircea_popescu;it's not, in other worse, a case of "wait just this short interval, will do new release" etc
1949978;1573057213;diana_coman;ah, no; sadly not at all.
1949979;1573057310;mircea_popescu;aite, well, not like there's any games one can play (i fucking looked, i'm back to playing antique 2000 era stuff, steam's dead, kongregate's dead, everything's fucking dead. half the links on mmorpg.com lead to dead / domain for sale / nonsense items, the other half to steam crap, it's just... gaming's fucking dead, everyone just clucks on derpy facebook fake traffic numbers generators, as fucking if 5k reloads/second
1949980;1573057310;mircea_popescu;in some dumbphone game equate to trilema article reads)
1949981;1573057322;mircea_popescu;so im guessing we'll be bringing that up these days.
1949982;1573057333;mircea_popescu;any preferences re spec ?
1949983;1573057404;diana_coman;I'll dig them up and get them to you.
1949984;1573057427;mircea_popescu;aite.
1949985;1573057437;mircea_popescu;so that's pretty much it, then. anything left out ?
1949986;1573057453;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: just to make sure re order of my next steps here:
1949987;1573057471;diana_coman;first I'll do now the estimates re ditching cs from server (dev)
1949988;1573057482;diana_coman;then re moving cs to static build & gnat
1949989;1573057525;diana_coman;and after that I go back to client graphics & comms (+server side ofc, but that is waiting on comms protocol atm)
1949990;1573057556;diana_coman;ofc in between there will be setting the server up whenever we have where
1949991;1573057558;mircea_popescu;aite. there'll be a brief excursion in there to get the prod server back up, but yes.
1949992;1573057566;diana_coman;aha.
1949993;1573057570;mircea_popescu;aite then.
1949994;1573057573;diana_coman;all right, thank you.
1949995;1573057587;*;mircea_popescu spits once more on the fresh grave of "engineers" for good measure
1949996;1573057593;mircea_popescu;motherfucking morons.
1949997;1573057630;mircea_popescu;never, ye hear me people of the future, NEVER take the cows for people. athena made them cows for a reason.
1949998;1573057698;mircea_popescu;which leads us back to our regularly scheduled programming.
1949999;1573057761;mircea_popescu;seeing how http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-29#1948636 dun seem to be happening, i'm guessing we'll just skip the pretense.
1950000;1573057762;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-29 09:46:27 mp_en_viaje: with diana_coman as to the future strategy of s.mg (which normally'd belong in eulora, i suppose, but honestly might as well happen here, not like there's any traffic jam or anything) ; and of course with diana_coman hanbot trinque BingoBoingo lobbes spyked bvt ave1 as to what exactly we still want and we can in fact support going forward.
1950001;1573057811;mircea_popescu;so concretely, lobbes is supposed to deliver that botthing soonish ; you're doing the above, bvt is beating rng into the kernel, BingoBoingo is getting himself out of the 2nd failed reboot of isp
1950002;1573057829;mircea_popescu;trinque, i wanna talk to you about cuntoo
1950003;1573057854;mircea_popescu;lessee what [http://thetarpit.org/2019/work-plan-vii][spyked]'s doing
1950004;1573057919;BingoBoingo;BingoBoingo: Right, been managing shareholder expectations re: upcoming auctions.
1950005;1573057957;mircea_popescu;gawd, spyked, two months of irc bots till the end of the year ? srsly ?
1950006;1573058055;mircea_popescu;billymg, what's the mp-wp story, did i miss some updates ?
1950007;1573058112;mircea_popescu;hanbot, you up to date on diana_coman 's castle logs ?
1950008;1573058114;mircea_popescu;an' that leaves of the human hands ave1 an' mocky thoroughly unaccounted for.
1950009;1573058187;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: I'm still here if there's some q re #o you want me to answer
1950010;1573058227;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, rather, im thinking a backup #o might be a good idea.
1950011;1573058318;hanbot;mircea_popescu i browse, but haven't strictly "kept up". i can spend a day or two getting there tho', what's up?
1950012;1573058339;mircea_popescu;get there.
1950013;1573058353;hanbot;sure
1950014;1573058359;diana_coman;I'd be very happy to have hanbot there for sure
1950015;1573058406;diana_coman;she anyway covers better than me some areas
1950016;1573058431;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, not that she shouldn' t be in there or anything ; but there's #hanbot, might as well make two of these seeing how yours seems to work
1950017;1573058466;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: ah, I thought she already had hers but mainly aimed at a different demographic?
1950018;1573058491;mircea_popescu;ima just change the current "Nov 04 09:50:24 -ChanServ- [#trilema] To speak here you must be voiced by one of the lords. Talk to asciilifeform , BingoBoingo , diana_coman , hanbot or trinque about it." to a "see #ossasepia or #hanbot" and call it good
1950019;1573058517;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, you mean the blog, bimbo.club ? nicoleci runs that
1950020;1573058525;diana_coman;cool; I'll get around to pop ossabot into #hanbot too then
1950021;1573058536;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1950022;1573058549;hanbot;mircea_popescu & c: my channel is/was #trilema-hanbot
1950023;1573058565;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: no, I thought it was just not online.
1950024;1573058576;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, well, that's unrelated yes.
1950025;1573058589;mircea_popescu;hanbot, that works.
1950026;1573058618;diana_coman;all right, I'm sure we can coordinate anyway and it'll surely help.
1950027;1573058636;mircea_popescu;insallah
1950028;1573058765;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I'm working on a plan for #agriculturalsupremacy as a castle, but its still too raw to present as a default option on the level of what diana_coman and hanbot can offer.
1950029;1573058815;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo, besides, you'll have some full time work in actually going through dc lists etc.
1950030;1573058822;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Right.
1950031;1573058844;BingoBoingo;DC lists, other opportunities to apprentice myself into a career, etc
1950032;1573058908;mircea_popescu;word.
1950033;1573058967;BingoBoingo;Proposed Pizarro auctions will be published in a few hours with the aim of firing off auction opening commands Friday. Auction opening prices will be done with the reserve as the coin I, personally, am willing to pay for ownership of the auctioned items and lots of items.
1950034;1573059581;BingoBoingo;In other news, the legal sitation on the ground here appears to be nearing resolution.
1950035;1573060184;BingoBoingo;The mircea_popescu method works far better than what I could have done on my own. Thank you.
1950036;1573060521;BingoBoingo;Also their lawyer now isn't their lawyer I apparently mean with
1950037;1573063172;mircea_popescu;nice to hear!
1950038;1573063307;BingoBoingo;*met with. They've apparently spent much. I've spent little. The outcome is not yet clear, but the outcome space is very narrow with clear forked paths. None of these paths presents a danger to my continued presence in Uruguay if that's what the future wants me to do.
1950039;1573063365;mircea_popescu;so then good for you.
1950040;1573063394;mircea_popescu;there's some definite value in making it uncomfortably unpleasant for idiots to continue being idiotic, that's for sure.
1950041;1573063428;mircea_popescu;in fact, that alone's a sufficient winning strategy : tagging stupidity with as much cost as at all possible's all that's really needed.
1950042;1573064687;BingoBoingo;I've made it clear to the lawyers I rather don't expect they are solvent enough to collect anything when I win a suit. I'm more inclined to pass a bulletproof fraud denuncia to the Fiscalia and let them sort it out.
1950043;1573068267;feedbot;http://bingology.net/2019/pizarro-liquidation-auctions-proposal/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Pizarro Liquidation Auctions Proposal
1950044;1573080396;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/11/usg-syria-withdrawal-a-lie-as-usg-garrisons-hold-syrian-oil-fields/ << Qntra -- USG Syria Withdrawal A Lie As USG Garrisons Hold Syrian Oil Fields
1950045;1573087446;billymg;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1949939 << nothing major, a minor bug was discovered by several mp-wp users. once it was determined that it was the result of the latest patch i was able to zero in on the offending change and issue a fix plus a test http://billymg.com/2019/11/bug-fix-to-preserve-encoded-html-characters-in-post-body-between-edits/
1950046;1573087447;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-06 12:39:33 mircea_popescu: billymg, what's the mp-wp story, did i miss some updates ?
1950047;1573087582;billymg;i'm very much liking the testing framework and am glad i was encouraged to set that up. i now definitely want to finish writing the tests before working on any additional features/trimming
1950048;1573087988;billymg;i'm also optimistic about the additional attention mp-wp seems to be getting over at #ossasepia - jfw has several patches in his queue already http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/manifest
1950049;1573088087;billymg;at the moment i don't have the necessary time to be fully involved so for now i'm just happy to see diana_coman and her pages chipping away at it. but i'm very much looking forward to getting back into it once i've successfully jumped the fence
1950050;1573089027;trinque;mod6: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-31#1949000 << wallet has been up, and there are uses of it in the logs even...
1950051;1573089028;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-31 23:46:29 mod6: trinque: not yet. is your wallet stuff back up?
1950052;1573089139;trinque;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1949758 << somebody's going to have to tell me what they think is not "done" about the current item
1950053;1573089139;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-06 11:37:43 mircea_popescu: and you verified you can actually deploy this proto cuntoo on various hw, so we're good here : as to 1, smg will use proto-cutnoo until can switch to cuntoo ; and meanwhile ima see what trinque has to say re cuntoo and try to get bvt to patch against it and so on
1950054;1573089157;trinque;point-in-time gentoo snapshot is shot.
1950055;1573089173;trinque;I don't think it should be considered anything more than a liferaft
1950056;1573089185;trinque;meanwhile I've been working on a smaller item based on busybox.
1950057;1573089209;trinque;I don't think it'd be wise at all to try to own something with 900mb of dependency source.
1950058;1573089250;trinque;and if anyone considers the current cuntoo too low-level to be useful, they're not going to feel much differently about classical gentoo. the barriers to entry are the same in both cases.
1950059;1573089342;feedbot;http://bingology.net/2019/bingoboingo-after-pizarro-plans-through-end-2019/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- BingoBoingo After Pizarro - Plans Through End 2019
1950060;1573089346;BingoBoingo;trinque: Are you still inclined to completely write of your server and FUCKGOATS, or do you want me to try to recover some value from it for you and get you a pair of FUCKGOATS. I don't need an answer immediately, but would prefer one by Monday.
1950061;1573089427;trinque;do you recall if I ever bought a FG from you gents? iirc one wouldn't fit in my chassis, and I forget where we landed.
1950062;1573089558;trinque;BingoBoingo: as for liquidating my stuff, I wouldn't mind getting a FG or two out of the deal if it can be swung
1950063;1573089580;*;trinque would pay shipping
1950064;1573089633;BingoBoingo;trinque: When alf was here we put one in each hemisphere. It seems you did buy two, but the notes from the period the transaction happened are a clusterfuck.
1950065;1573089671;BingoBoingo;trinque: Shipping FUCKGOATS won't be anywhere near as awful in pricing as 1U servers.
1950066;1573089707;BingoBoingo;If you would like, I can auction your chassis on the same basis I'm auctioning the Pizarro servers.
1950067;1573089725;trinque;cool, if I own those just lmk what shipping costs. I'll gpg a destination
1950068;1573089742;trinque;BingoBoingo: works for me
1950069;1573089807;BingoBoingo;Your chassis is a bit heavier and deeper than the dulap machines, but it also has the guts of two machines inside.
1950070;1573089874;BingoBoingo;When I walk later I'll weigh what I'll stake of my own coin as the buyer of last resort on it.
1950071;1573089947;trinque;nah man, I don't want you to do that.
1950072;1573089971;trinque;unless you actually want the thing. I don't need the coin.
1950073;1573090133;BingoBoingo;trinque: I can go really low, see how little I'm valuing the switches at http://bingology.net/2019/pizarro-liquidation-auctions-proposal/
1950074;1573090165;trinque;k
1950075;1573090320;BingoBoingo;The reason to place myself as buyer of last resort is to pre-empt later objections that X item located at the ass end of the world has a concrete value. If it did the objector had the chance to bid.
1950076;1573090411;BingoBoingo;For the value of the dell badge, I will however make an earnest effort o sell the mod6/TBF server in the local market as a sorta prop that can go into a sufficiently deep wifi rack.
1950077;1573090545;BingoBoingo;The local market to buy that one is deeper for the branding than the market is for the supermicros despite the supermicros being better servers
1950078;1573090776;*;BingoBoingo back later
1950079;1573093410;mircea_popescu;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1949982
1950080;1573093411;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-06 21:00:07 billymg: at the moment i don't have the necessary time to be fully involved so for now i'm just happy to see diana_coman and her pages chipping away at it. but i'm very much looking forward to getting back into it once i've successfully jumped the fence
1950081;1573093418;mircea_popescu;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1949982 << any times for this ?
1950082;1573093418;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-06 21:00:07 billymg: at the moment i don't have the necessary time to be fully involved so for now i'm just happy to see diana_coman and her pages chipping away at it. but i'm very much looking forward to getting back into it once i've successfully jumped the fence
1950083;1573093610;mircea_popescu;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1949990 << the thing here is, minigame will need to use a os. this means a very simple binary choice : either it uses something made by us, or not. the criteria for the former is that someone's in charge ; the criteria for the latter is that it's convenient.
1950084;1573093610;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-06 21:18:49 trinque: I don't think it'd be wise at all to try to own something with 900mb of dependency source.
1950085;1573093639;mircea_popescu;since you're the ~only one here in a position to claim ownership of something like an os, i want to know if you want to do so.
1950086;1573093662;mircea_popescu;if you don't want to do so, my options are either to try and promote someone else, or else drop the whole pretense and simply use the latest whatever the fuck it is.
1950087;1573093685;mircea_popescu;which is actually what i'll do, i don't perceive the value of waiting on products while people get their shit in order.
1950088;1573093923;mircea_popescu;there's [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947838][still] zero interest in whatever flavour of the day bullshit, "liferaft" or w/e halfassery is to be called this week, "software as is" whatevers.
1950089;1573093924;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-23 13:40:36 mp_en_viaje: for as long as your mentality stays "amateur dabbler in tmsr", i stay uninterested.
1950090;1573094046;billymg;mircea_popescu: yup, the plan remains, january will be the time
1950091;1573094053;mircea_popescu;cool.
1950092;1573094815;BingoBoingo;This weekend I plan to set aside a solid block of time to give Cuntoo a fair try, but I am not in any position to claim ownership over anything like an OS. I suspect I'll be more successful than the last time I tried for having unloaded a huge ball of insanity outta my head in the interim.
1950093;1573095389;mircea_popescu;i don't think you are, no.
1950094;1573095532;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, the os portion remains a major hole in the whole architecture, because w/o os ownership pretty much all our efforts are unsustainable.
1950095;1573095616;mircea_popescu;then again, without an isp our efforts are just as unsustainable on the other end of the scale, i'm not discovering some sorta novelty here.
1950096;1573095724;mircea_popescu;paying for the sins of historical tolerance-driven complacency, without a foundation to foment the environment there's no people to fill the gaps, etcetera.
1950097;1573095767;trinque;and you have fewer men than you'd like, and I'm not going to pretend to be 20, and then cry when I fail at it. that's why I said I'm looking at kernel + busybox for my own stack. even it isn't human-sized, but it's about two orders of magnitude less twine and shit than "standard linux distro"
1950098;1573095779;mircea_popescu;trinque, i absolutely don't want you to pretend to be 20.
1950099;1573095787;mircea_popescu;dun get me the wrong way, i'm not twelve.
1950100;1573095809;trinque;then I apologize for that part.
1950101;1573095828;trinque;at any rate, you run statically compiled gnat items and a database?
1950102;1573095837;trinque;these, I'd think, would run in a very simple userland
1950103;1573095841;mircea_popescu;as a factual matter, stock'll have to be taken, we can't just pretend lalala and keep sending people to do impossible things.
1950104;1573095858;mircea_popescu;trinque, userland, as for client ? or as for server ? these are distinct concerns for s.mg
1950105;1573095876;trinque;for server, I was contemplating
1950106;1573095884;trinque;but I'm sure you mean to standardize the client too
1950107;1573095897;trinque;comes with whole raft of drivers, graphics stack, etc
1950108;1573095924;mircea_popescu;the server i'm not so desperately concerned about, because that gets baked once and is good for half a decade or more. diana_coman reported she has a running item, so that's... okay.
1950109;1573095953;mircea_popescu;i can see baking it on protocuntoo ; with a view to moving it to cuntoo, ~if cuntoo is a thing~. if it isn't... no view.
1950110;1573096096;mircea_popescu;now as to the client, that's a larger ball of yarn. if i have no serious static goal to contemplate, ima nix decrufting effort, because why bother make it static.
1950111;1573096155;mircea_popescu;indeed why bother make it anything in particular, the market standards are so low... runescape runs in a java environment that crashes 3 times an hour. steam is fucked beyond your wildest dreams. nothing works in gaming, it's a joke, there's no competition in any sense.
1950112;1573096194;trinque;yeah, it depends on whether you want the item to be a technical exemplar or an outreach mechanism, or something else
1950113;1573096214;BingoBoingo;trinque: If I do get a Cuntoo running this weekend, you can expect me to submit Cuntoo-ified versions of my desktop work tools at the speed I port them. Everything I depend on seems to have already been ported to musl based linux distributions. I can't promise doing this fast, but it can be something that would help make a noob-cuntoo image down the line.
1950114;1573096219;mircea_popescu;the client ? ideally it'll be everything ; but in practice we'll take what we get.
1950115;1573096258;mircea_popescu;anyway, any kind of cuntoo-base for client is a distant goal anyway, seeing how ... no x
1950116;1573096270;trinque;BingoBoingo: I'd be pretty stoked if somebody found the hole for new ebuilds and cut a vpatch of some useful items
1950117;1573096312;mircea_popescu;ie, contemplated os ownership is a matter of pure committment. what the world is looking for, today as in the days of the venerable bede, and then as the first day, is people. the sort who commit.
1950118;1573096331;mircea_popescu;the sort who save themselves "for later", well... i dunno what they're for.
1950119;1573096353;BingoBoingo;trinque: Provided I get it running this time I'll at a minimum try to get up to XFCE. I'll make and rate a BingoCuntooExperimenal key for the purpose of something.
1950120;1573096373;BingoBoingo;But this also depends on me getting Cuntoo built.
1950121;1573096383;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo, you're in absolutely no position to do any of this wtf. aren't you supposed to first find yourself a job ?
1950122;1573096392;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Aite
1950123;1573096398;trinque;mircea_popescu: nor I, certainly not what I'm doing. these distros are just... quite large
1950124;1573096411;*;BingoBoingo will stay in lane
1950125;1573096418;trinque;the busybox item is interesting because I have some hope of actually eating the thing.
1950126;1573096445;trinque;i.e. the *source* vpatches will actually be human-sized
1950127;1573096532;mircea_popescu;i guess.
1950128;1573097042;mircea_popescu;anyways, eventually we'll get a troop out of new kids ready and able to actually do useful & meaningful shit in computer science, and whatever, the failure of one particular generation won't look that much more remarkable than the string it's part of.
1950129;1573097125;*;lobbes is aiming to get the mp-wp bot fix out by tonight. Then needs to get the auctionbot in better shape.
1950130;1573097126;lobbes;However, after that I wouldn't mind the idea of 'apprenticing' under trinque on cuntoo related things. I could use the education to be honest, and I know he needs hands
1950131;1573097171;mircea_popescu;well... he's practical minded enough to perhaps not waste your effort.
1950132;1573097188;mircea_popescu;besides, spyked was iirc by training a systems guy.
1950133;1573097229;mircea_popescu;trinque, suppose spyked's game, and what you have to do is run the two fellows + whatever we can meaningfully accrete through the tmsr-ization of cuntoo.
1950134;1573098093;trinque;yeah, I'd be happy to talk to both fellas about the thing.
1950135;1573098113;mircea_popescu;suppose you talk to both fellas here about the thing, i wanna follow along
1950136;1573098198;trinque;totally fine by me
1950137;1573098208;trinque;and productive
1950138;1573098235;trinque;the main problem with such a project is how large it is. there were several folks on just trb, for a bit anyway.
1950139;1573098258;mircea_popescu;i expect the principal problem of trb attempt was horrid management.
1950140;1573098298;mircea_popescu;not that i blame the pm, there wasn't one. but the fundamental reason why "adding more manpower to a late project only makes it later" is that lots and lots of "manpower" is actually -ev.
1950141;1573098313;mircea_popescu;the original trb work suffered from a massive aglomeration of -ev workforce.
1950142;1573098369;mircea_popescu;at least, that's my takeaway.
1950143;1573101481;lobbes;mircea_popescu: before I commit this fix to a patch, do the excerpts on these comments look saner to you as well? http://blog.ericbenevides.com/2019/11/generic-pingback-target/#comment-134
1950144;1573101486;lobbes;the 'pingback linkback' selector is still suffering from the strip-spaces bug whaack found in the xmlrpc.php, but as that is outside of the scope of the logotron tree I figure that can wait for another day and this bot can be put to bed.
1950145;1573101495;lobbes;(plus whaack iirc has his sights on this for fixing anyways)
1950146;1573119597;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1949915 - preference is for AMD arch as easiest & more familiar to deploy on & work with; that being said, if no AMD available, will go with Intel; for concrete specs, the current server is rather undemanding and it ran fine on fx-8350 eg something like [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2018-02-05#1781846][this] should work absolutely fine.
1950147;1573119597;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-06 12:27:30 mircea_popescu: any preferences re spec ?
1950148;1573119597;ossabot;Logged on 2018-02-05 20:57:25 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo phf trinque diana_coman so i'm thinking of basically getting a dozen amd fx-8350s (because just 125w compared to say fx-9590s 220) racked in u2 mbs (say maybe ASRock 970M PRO3 ? i thinkl that fits in 2u neh ?) with 64 gb ram each and a coupla ssds ? any complaints/suggestions ?
1950149;1573119645;diana_coman;re use, the heaviest part is db queries really.
1950150;1573119829;diana_coman;I should mention that we'll possibly need to review this once we do the release (ie dev server goes into production with the smg communications protocol and hopefully decrufted of most shit otherwise)
1950151;1573120191;mircea_popescu;review as in get a new machine ?
1950152;1573120328;mircea_popescu;lobbes, the only problem is that e= is unpopulated. i'm currently using
1950153;1573120329;mircea_popescu;$select_tail = "?b=".substr(strip_tags($excerpt),0,12)."&e=".substr(strip_tags($excerpt),0,4)."#select";
1950154;1573120368;mircea_popescu;on trilema/s xmlrpc.php as a private fix (which still dun work correctly, for some yet undiscovered reason spaces get eaten), but anyways, select should output no empty e.
1950155;1573120433;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: review as in finally being able to actually benchmark the server and get some concrete idea as to what it needs ; as a result it might be a new machine, yes.
1950156;1573120488;mircea_popescu;so to be clear here, you specifically want two dc hosted machines, one dev one prod ? or are you happy with home-hosted dev ?
1950157;1573120508;diana_coman;BingoBoingo: I had the "stale page" thing on your blog ~10 times and only now (after letting it be for a while funnily enough) it went through
1950158;1573120534;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: I'm happy with home-hosted dev.
1950159;1573120546;diana_coman;just the prod needs to be on dc
1950160;1573120567;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: we will also need some lightweight place to set up the website
1950161;1573120570;mircea_popescu;in which case, should get a 8+ core amd of some kind, 32+gb and a coupla disks, raidless ok, and then review for upgrade in what, a few months ?
1950162;1573120586;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: sounds good.
1950163;1573120593;mircea_popescu;aite.
1950164;1573120621;mircea_popescu;i intend to put bimboclub, thewhet, eulorawebsite etc on the trilema backup server lobbes is comissioning.
1950165;1573120629;diana_coman;ah, ok.
1950166;1573120636;mircea_popescu;younghands/yourblog etc can also go there if you wish.
1950167;1573120690;diana_coman;I might take you on the offer there for my blog if I don't manage to scare up something locally; I have currently some guys next door that I want to talk to, they seem to be at least talkable-tio
1950168;1573120705;diana_coman;so thank you and I'll get back to you on that.
1950169;1573120712;mircea_popescu;aite.
1950170;1573120750;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: re-reading the discussion yesterday it occured to me that the loggers & irc weren't mentioned at all
1950171;1573120786;mircea_popescu;well, they were mentioned in the sense spyked apparently wants to spend the remainder of the year fucking with them.
1950172;1573120815;diana_coman;I am maintaining the logger and I intend to maintain it but any further development can happen only when I get some pages finally up to speed to help as I really don't have currently ~any time left to sink in that.
1950173;1573120826;mircea_popescu;why not just switch to the mp-wp patch ?
1950174;1573120847;mircea_popescu;i don't foresee any future for the current python-powered item.
1950175;1573120875;diana_coman;I still have to figure that out exactly what it does, how it works and so on; I'll have to look into it then.
1950176;1573120885;mircea_popescu;well, lobbes is gonna demo it soonish.
1950177;1573120907;diana_coman;looking forward to the demo.
1950178;1573120983;mircea_popescu;can you ~fucking belive~ that utterly moronic "scientist" NOT ONLY was too fucking special in his shit-for-brains mind to actually use working solutions "over all these years", but actually vomited an entire EXTRA pile of expensive yet worthless dependencies into our process ?
1950179;1573120991;mircea_popescu;the specialisation of expensive yet worthless, bloody hell.
1950180;1573121211;diana_coman;I once said something on [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-10#1001857][idealism] and I still stand by it.
1950181;1573121211;ossabot;(ossasepia) 2019-09-10 diana_coman: structure of thought first and foremost; and note that idealism is precisely the inability to see (notice+comprehend) much of the fabric of reality.
1950182;1573121229;mircea_popescu;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947539 and http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-10-28#1000723 , futu-ti gura ma-tii.
1950183;1573121229;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-22 01:58:11 asciilifeform: can persuade mp_en_viaje to xor ?
1950184;1573121229;ossabot;(asciilifeform) 2019-10-28 asciilifeform: if mp wants to throw out the people who are his hands, like used candy wrappers, it's b/w him and odin, i have no power to persuade him of anyffin. but it remains the case that i'm fully equipped to provide machine service to my l1 folx who want it. and w/ very short turnaround. all service req's are to be gpg'd to asciilifeform, and posted here. will use deedbot for so long as able, then will have to make other ar
1950185;1573121266;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, what's so idealistic about shit nobody uses because it stinks ? i dun get it.
1950186;1573121319;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: that's precisely it, the "who or if uses" does not even enter into consideration there; it's built "because it should be so according to the ideals"
1950187;1573121325;diana_coman;and that's all that matters
1950188;1573121326;mircea_popescu;idealism is one thing. the worship of "shit we know an' are used to" is not idealism. nor is it any kind of conservatism, it's crypto-stupidity ; the same sense of crypto contemplated in 1990s "crypto-communism". cryptic, hermetically sealed in the shit in one's head, outside of the reach of thought.
1950189;1573121351;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, what fucking ideals ever demand the breakage of a unusable cvasi-blog ?
1950190;1573121365;diana_coman;well, not able to notice + comprehend reality = in own head, ofc, where else remains.
1950191;1573121374;mircea_popescu;fucking infuriating.
1950192;1573121406;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: sigh; you'd be surprised perhaps but I doubt it's worth the time to describe in much more detail.
1950193;1573121416;mircea_popescu;there he sat, the fuckhead, FOR YEARS, "oh, one day will mp-wp, hurr durr". one day, rite. then, when push came to shove, DID NOT KNOW what didn't know. because hadn't done. because etcetera.
1950194;1573121432;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, nah, i'm with you, forget about it. ima go take a shit
1950195;1573121444;mircea_popescu;it'll prolly come out as a much greater addition to the world than the remainder of this discussion.
1950196;1573121459;diana_coman;I'll go and talk to those guys to see if I can get a server with them.
1950197;1573125837;mircea_popescu;lobbes, an unexpected point occurs. do you have a chatlog eater tool ?
1950198;1573125853;mircea_popescu;because i'm thinking... i should probably just import all antique logs, have them in one place finally.
1950199;1573125870;mircea_popescu;and if i do that, i'd better do it before i publish later logs on trilema, so the guids aren't in three waters.
1950200;1573126094;mircea_popescu;incidentally, when i do that, we're looking at a solid eight years aka 3k articles or so. it'll be an insane log day. i intend to publish them 15s apart or something.
1950201;1573131899;*;hanbot considers what to put on 12.5hr playlist to accompany the article-scroll
1950202;1573132770;mircea_popescu;chansons de paris!
1950203;1573132813;mircea_popescu;... un coin du vieux Montmartre
1950204;1573132906;*;mircea_popescu hums "Emportés par la foule qui nous traîne, nous entraîne nous éloigne l'un de l'autre ...Je lutte et je me débats mais le son de ma voix s'étouffe dans les rires des autres....Et je crie de douleur, de fureur et de rage, et je pleure... "
1950205;1573132934;diana_coman;even better: et je m'en fous.
1950206;1573134204;mircea_popescu;lol
1950207;1573134234;mircea_popescu;piaf period female life & drama is purely circular.
1950208;1573134267;mircea_popescu;""
1950209;1573134269;mircea_popescu;"Entraînée par la foule qui s'élance et qui danse, une folle farandole, je suis emportée au loin et je crispe mes poings, maudissant la foule qui me vole l'homme qu'elle m'avait donné et que je n'ai jamais retrouvé..."
1950210;1573136519;diana_coman;no, I know, I grew up on French, not on English really; but if it's at that, I'd go at least for jojo se prenait pour voltaire et pierre pour casanova et moi, moi qui etais le plus fier moi, moi je me prenais pour moi
1950211;1573136543;diana_coman;anyways, 6 months in france cured me of francophilie
1950212;1573140289;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: ty, will see if error.log reveals anything at a glance
1950213;1573142066;BingoBoingo;!Qlater tell trinque http://bingology.net/2019/pizarro-liquidation-auctions-proposal/#comment-1505 << Proposal for the auction of your hardware.
1950214;1573142066;lobbesbot;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
1950215;1573148131;BingoBoingo;http://trilema.com/2013/why-you-cant-invest-with-cryptostocks/ or http://trilema.com/2013/and-another-one-bites-the-dust-picostocks/ http://trilema.com/2016/fred-wilson-is-an-idiot-and-other-things/ http://trilema.com/2013/the-dork-of-the-month-award/ Candidates that clicked for the article you wanted yesterday
1950216;1573151150;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, well, vieux montmartre, not the current sadness.
1950217;1573151587;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo, none of those.
1950218;1573151591;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in historical lulz, https://www.coindesk.com/coindesks-influential-people-blockchain-2016
1950219;1573152157;mircea_popescu;meanwile in other lulz, "[https://www.islam21c.com/islamic-law/fatwa-bitcoin-cryptocurrencies/][Sh Dr Haitham al-Haddad summarises his fatwa on Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies]."
1950220;1573152223;mircea_popescu;(spoiler : just another fat dude talking into the camwhore's instrument, like every other esltarded "comedian" / "content producer" etc)
1950221;1573152295;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/of-mice-and-men-revisited/#comment-132178 << BingoBoingo check it out, "braindamage" found it. is it you ?
1950222;1573152698;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Not me
1950223;1573152757;BingoBoingo;Just returned from getting groceries and a VGA to HDMI cable to get hardware specs outta the servers for prospective buyers
1950224;1573152869;mircea_popescu;just returned from getting groceries also!
1950225;1573152892;mircea_popescu;needed three carts and two bitchez to handle it all, ended up stuffing the car with smoked salmon by the pound &cetera
1950226;1573152930;mircea_popescu;but, i must say, two-girl shopping trips are a delight. i just watch and nod while the people of walmart look from my switch to my bitch an' from my foods to my whores.
1950227;1573152973;mircea_popescu;really the supermarket was invented for men with paris of girls, it's the only way that shit works right.
1950228;1573153300;BingoBoingo;Nice. That does seem like the fix navigating the beast.
1950229;1573157457;mircea_popescu;not even so much a matter of navigation, more like loading / pushing / unloading / reloading carts.
1950230;1573157518;mircea_popescu;between the store-supplied wench running the ding machine and the home-brought wenches putting stuff on / taking it off the conveyorbelt, i daresay i run the world's most efficient supermarket operation.
1950231;1573157540;mircea_popescu;as it turns out, modern economy takes 3 women teams at a minimum.
1950232;1573162076;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in poilu france, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/41/Adolphe_Willette_-_Madeleine%2C_Monologue_et_9_dessins.jpg/800px-Adolphe_Willette_-_Madeleine%2C_Monologue_et_9_dessins.jpg
1950233;1573162375;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/11/trend-micro-staff-sold-customer-information-outside-of-management-direction/ << Qntra -- Trend Micro Staff Sold Customer Information Outside Of Management Direction
1950234;1573162536;mircea_popescu;heh
1950235;1573162631;BingoBoingo;Second time this year I caught one of those. Looking like an emerging trend afflicting large WoTless enterprises
1950236;1573163376;mircea_popescu;really hard to run a 40 thieves' cave where the lesser theives don't steal anything
1950237;1573163459;BingoBoingo;Especially if they can't shoot the lesser theives for Oslo larp reasons.
1950238;1573163716;mircea_popescu;aha
1950239;1573163817;BingoBoingo;The local commie pick for next econ minister if they win is promising "to continue increasing Uruguay's economic stability" as though stability is not the road to death and bad fruit
1950240;1573163886;mircea_popescu;lmao
1950241;1573164013;BingoBoingo;I think I've convinced a few people that "stability" is why they make more than Europeans while being poorer since... WTF can they buy?
1950242;1573164056;mircea_popescu;no fucking way tjhey make more than euros ?!
1950243;1573164167;mircea_popescu;they make the same ~500 a year bulgarians make, half a ro wage.
1950244;1573164174;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: At least for the first half of 2019 their very flat wages normalized into dollars were above much of eastern Europe. 20,000 pesos was 600 USD to 700 USD versus the holy European 500 USD
1950245;1573164193;BingoBoingo;This has since changed with the pesofall
1950246;1573164221;mircea_popescu;no dude, nobody in yurp makes 500 lol. it's 1k on the low end (ro, pl, cz, etc) to 4-5k on the high end. france makes like 3k
1950247;1573164227;BingoBoingo;Ah
1950248;1573164233;mircea_popescu;inflation, baby
1950249;1573164238;mircea_popescu;you're working on decade old figures.
1950250;1573164245;BingoBoingo;Ah
1950251;1573164260;mircea_popescu;republic of moldavia, serbia etc are in the 500 zone
1950252;1573164370;BingoBoingo;Serbia, Moldavia, Belarus seem like servicable alt-Uruguays, but I'm not really looking for another Uruguay.
1950253;1573164394;mircea_popescu;belgrade is actually great, budget vienna.
1950254;1573164449;BingoBoingo;ty, In that case I'll move Belgrade up with the first round of Atlantic Rim targets.
1950255;1573164472;mircea_popescu;certainly better fucktoys walking the street than anything on the pacific assrim
1950256;1573164618;BingoBoingo;Pacific coast has Lima, Santiago, and other second and their tier targets. Asian side of Pacific I'm not particularly interested, prioritizing on the level of western european shitholes that don't speak Spanish.
1950257;1573170145;hanbot;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1949944 < this is gonna take me an extra 24-48h; the reading's worthwhile and denser than i imagined. after which i'll publish my accumulating notes. 'til then, diana_coman graciously plonked her logger in #trilema-hanbot, and all are welcome.
1950258;1573170146;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-06 12:43:55 hanbot: mircea_popescu i browse, but haven't strictly "kept up". i can spend a day or two getting there tho', what's up?
1950259;1573170166;mircea_popescu;cool
1950260;1573176374;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-07#1950085 << I guess what I'm trying to ask is do you want me to release a separate mp-wp patch for the xmlrpc.php fixes before we deploy the bot?
1950261;1573176374;ericbot;Logged on 2019-11-07 09:55:07 mircea_popescu: lobbes, the only problem is that e= is unpopulated. i'm currently using
1950262;1573176377;lobbes;just to remind, [http://www.krankendenken.com/2019/09/mp-wp-bot-work-plan-week-4/#comment-126][it was decided] that the bot itself would be on the stan logbot tree. And indeed, that is what the current [http://www.krankendenken.com/2019/11/mp-wp-botkvvpatch/][mp-wp-bot.kv.vpatch] rests on right now
1950263;1573176383;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-07#1950107 << which relates to this; the above patched bot is still python-powered. (Granted, the flask bits have been removed, along with dependencies on things like the "Requests" library, etc.)
1950264;1573176383;ericbot;Logged on 2019-11-07 10:03:46 mircea_popescu: i don't foresee any future for the current python-powered item.
1950265;1573176391;lobbes;But still, python-istic at the core [http://www.krankendenken.com/2019/09/the-mp-wp-bot-job-offer/?b=no%20problem%20having%20actual&=python#select][(which does comply with your original spec)].
1950266;1573177334;feedbot;http://bingology.net/2019/pizarro-liquidation-auction-preview-photos/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Pizarro Liquidation Auction Preview - Photos
1950267;1573178242;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-07#1950130 << I do not. There exist both the irssi2tmsr and znc2tmsr patches to the stanlogger. In said logger, both of them convert logs to a format that is then fed to the postgres database. Conceivable to just make something similar, though, that would feed them into a mysql database
1950268;1573178243;ericbot;Logged on 2019-11-07 11:26:57 mircea_popescu: lobbes, an unexpected point occurs. do you have a chatlog eater tool ?
1950269;1573178652;lobbes;on the subject of "blog-logger" in general, I do see merits. For e.g., as a matter of course the issue of echoing log lines will need to be resolved. If that resolution ends up leveraging the server-side selection, then this opens the door to the quoting articles ~in general~ into IRC
1950270;1573178817;lobbes;another merit being redundancy; if you run a blog, you can run a log.
1950271;1573179071;lobbes;on second thought, I guess redundancy doesn't necessarily follow from "more convenient to run a logger". Okay, I restate my second merit to simply be: "convenience" (for what that is worth)
1950272;1573180654;mircea_popescu;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-07#1950193 << not necessarily.
1950273;1573180654;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-07 21:31:39 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-07#1950085 << I guess what I'm trying to ask is do you want me to release a separate mp-wp patch for the xmlrpc.php fixes before we deploy the bot?
1950274;1573180655;ericbot;Logged on 2019-11-07 09:55:07 mircea_popescu: lobbes, the only problem is that e= is unpopulated. i'm currently using
1950275;1573180683;mircea_popescu;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-07#1950195 << yeah ?
1950276;1573180683;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-07 21:31:42 lobbes: just to remind, [http://www.krankendenken.com/2019/09/mp-wp-bot-work-plan-week-4/#comment-126][it was decided] that the bot itself would be on the stan logbot tree. And indeed, that is what the current [http://www.krankendenken.com/2019/11/mp-wp-botkvvpatch/][mp-wp-bot.kv.vpatch] rests on right now
1950277;1573180711;mircea_popescu;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-07#1950196 << it's supposed to be ; the only alternative for pull-style interaction would be... bash, i guess ?
1950278;1573180712;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-07 21:31:48 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-07#1950107 << which relates to this; the above patched bot is still python-powered. (Granted, the flask bits have been removed, along with dependencies on things like the "Requests" library, etc.)
1950279;1573180712;ericbot;Logged on 2019-11-07 10:03:46 mircea_popescu: i don't foresee any future for the current python-powered item.
1950280;1573180970;mircea_popescu;i guess i didn't make myself very clear. the ~displayer~, python-based as opposed to apache based, has no future.
1950281;1573180992;mircea_popescu;the bot itself, the part that goes into channels and so on, that'll have to be something other than apache.
1950282;1573181016;mircea_popescu;practical candidates being pretty much python or perl, there's no problem with python
1950283;1573181129;mircea_popescu;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-07#1950200 << i guess i'm just going to write a converter ; which begs the question, how are we to sync our log histories here ?
1950284;1573181129;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-07 22:02:48 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-07#1950130 << I do not. There exist both the irssi2tmsr and znc2tmsr patches to the stanlogger. In said logger, both of them convert logs to a format that is then fed to the postgres database. Conceivable to just make something similar, though, that would feed them into a mysql database
1950285;1573181129;ericbot;Logged on 2019-11-07 11:26:57 mircea_popescu: lobbes, an unexpected point occurs. do you have a chatlog eater tool ?
1950286;1573181233;mircea_popescu;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-07#1950202 << this is actually a pretty great idea, bot could echo anything inside a #select-ed
1950287;1573181233;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-07 22:09:38 lobbes: on the subject of "blog-logger" in general, I do see merits. For e.g., as a matter of course the issue of echoing log lines will need to be resolved. If that resolution ends up leveraging the server-side selection, then this opens the door to the quoting articles ~in general~ into IRC
1950288;1573181260;mircea_popescu;couldja patch this in ?
1950289;1573184816;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-08#1950213 << aa okay. For whatever reason I didn't take your meaning, but now I get it.
1950290;1573184817;ericbot;Logged on 2019-11-08 02:45:51 mircea_popescu: i guess i didn't make myself very clear. the ~displayer~, python-based as opposed to apache based, has no future.
1950291;1573184822;lobbes;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-07#1950216 << Is syncing necessary with blog-log though?
1950292;1573184822;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-07 22:50:54 mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-07#1950200 << i guess i'm just going to write a converter ; which begs the question, how are we to sync our log histories here ?
1950293;1573184832;lobbes;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-07#1950221 << I don't mind setting out to do so, but I also don't want to delay the bot's deployment (I have found that I am quite slow and inexperienced still). Would you want this patch before deployment?
1950294;1573184832;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-07 22:53:05 mircea_popescu: couldja patch this in ?
1950295;1573196133;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1949938 <-- can't say yet whether that'd take 1.5 or 3 months, but... it was my understanding that http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-21#1947274 is a pretty important item. either way, as I've said before, that plan ain't set in stone, any suggestions/guidance on priorities is more than welcome. I [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#
1950296;1573196133;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-06 12:37:54 mircea_popescu: gawd, spyked, two months of irc bots till the end of the year ? srsly ?
1950297;1573196133;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-21 06:15:42 mp_en_viaje: the second, which is the hanging matter, is that i meanwhile specced a new functioning of ratings and voicing, the to-spec execution of which being the very bedrock upon which deedbot payments even work. come april or whatever, i'm not about to do the old style lordship ratings,
1950298;1573196139;spyked;1947777][did agree] to work on that tho, so would also like to hear from trinque re this
1950299;1573196176;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1949902 <-- tyvm!
1950300;1573196176;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-06 12:23:06 diana_coman: takes a note to mirror spyked's sigs too
1950301;1573196291;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1950067 <-- I'd really like to contribute to that, the only reason I didn't do it thus far being that there was always a pile of other shit to do
1950302;1573196291;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-06 23:46:53 trinque: yeah, I'd be happy to talk to both fellas about the thing.
1950303;1573196393;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1950052 <-- xfce is prolly a rabbit hole, afaik they pull in gtk3 nowadays... and even gtk2 might be difficult to link statically.
1950304;1573196393;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-06 23:17:53 BingoBoingo: trinque: Provided I get it running this time I'll at a minimum try to get up to XFCE. I'll make and rate a BingoCuntooExperimenal key for the purpose of something.
1950305;1573196735;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1950016 <-- the big risk with the latter choice is that "they" (whoever owns ubuntu or w/e nowadays) will happily steer their os towards breaking the unix standard base (ls, cp, etc. system calls, ...) in the future. systemd lies on that line at least
1950306;1573196735;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-06 22:32:10 mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1949990 << the thing here is, minigame will need to use a os. this means a very simple binary choice : either it uses something made by us, or not. the criteria for the former is that someone's in charge ; the criteria for the latter is that it's convenient.
1950307;1573196875;*;spyked bbl, will post feedbot spec later today
1950308;1573202697;mircea_popescu;fucking gtk pile of shit has to die.
1950309;1573202736;mircea_popescu;x needs it like empire paris needed the postwar moroccans & contemporary french white trash.
1950310;1573202891;mircea_popescu;"oh, we had to live somewhre... why not here ???" "go live in a fire."
1950311;1573206778;mircea_popescu;in other news, an' in preparation for http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-07#1950131 / part and parcel of my being an engineer, i'm currently restructuring my entire personal archive, which consists of moving / hashing / decrypting / unpacking various 10gb - 100gb files.
1950312;1573206778;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-07 07:29:35 mircea_popescu: because i'm thinking... i should probably just import all antique logs, have them in one place finally.
1950313;1573206833;mircea_popescu;it's quite a pleasure to watch otherwise powerful systems bogged down for hours at a time, diligently going through overpoweringly long lists of tasks in their usual, bulldozer-like systematic manner, while one twiddles his thumbs and grins.
1950314;1573206845;mircea_popescu;the formative experience of humanity, i'd say.
1950315;1573206877;mircea_popescu;but, on the good news score : this'll prolly result in the publishing of all sort and manner of historical material, trilema's gonna get red hot in november.
1950316;1573209237;mircea_popescu;lol dorion, nice pile of lulz you got there. diana_coman has the details, but in very general : gotta take it easier, man. it's just... it's the internet, you know ?
1950317;1573209265;mircea_popescu;anon rando tortard's both very abundant and systematically inconsequential, dunno how to best put this... there's nine million cul-de-sac suburban teenager cliques "taking over the world" during that summer before end of schooling and first full time job. it doesn't DO anything.
1950318;1573209281;mircea_popescu;it's a social game, some old bitty bidding three clubs at her bridge club isn't treasonable thereby
1950319;1573215884;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It's always a nice feeling to bog down a computer with your own history.
1950320;1573216125;mircea_popescu;ikr!
1950321;1573217005;BingoBoingo;Sure, the computer's normally working for you, but when else do you really get to stress the machine on something satisfying? Games bogging down the computer are frustrating, compiling is... something, but a bunch of tar commands... nice to see something made with nanometer precision and operating at gigahertz need take the time to handle shit that matters.
1950322;1573217057;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in ancient lulz, http://archive.is/4jJrs#selection-3112.25-3147.45
1950323;1573217205;BingoBoingo;Ah, Ye Olde "Hurr Durr, Imma keep incrementing version numbers and solicit support for doing so while also not testing to see if I am breaking anything by incrementing version numbers"
1950324;1573217511;BingoBoingo;In a local fuss from earlier this week, derps commissioned some of the [http://bingology.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/img_20191013_172057.jpg][murals of the sort they commision here], all of the associated commentary was... "Next week they'll just cover it with either hammers and sickles or their damned graphs"
1950325;1573217593;BingoBoingo;Because part of the local commie election propaganda is... Painting graphs on undefended walls. The sort of bad graphs that ignore inflation happened, etc
1950326;1573217670;BingoBoingo;They then pat each other on the head about how they are some sorta sophisticates for polluting the scenery with bad graphs instead of bad art.
1950327;1573217812;mircea_popescu;building the "empire of science", because what are orcs for, if not to mindlessly parrot whatever lulz [http://trilema.com/2016/to-be-clear-hillary-clinton-lost-the-presidential-election-on-june-16th-2016/][mother inca got assraped with].
1950328;1573218129;BingoBoingo;I've been taking a half hour each day to check the Commie melt down in the local papers. Central Committee had to tell their militants to stop calling the opposition "fachos, conservadores, y rosaditos" because it's sinking their own likeability. Now I may be naive, but it seems a large portion of the FA would prefer to throw the presidential race this cycle so they can derp and strike for 5 year and generally parroting the Argentines.
1950329;1573218164;hanbot;BingoBoingo are they supposedly graphs of something in particular (lemmeguess, progre-ss), or just the usual preoccupation with erection-arrows?
1950330;1573218235;BingoBoingo;hanbot: These are graph covering shit like "expenditures per child", "education funding", etc. They graphs are NOT however "education outcomes", because ~5 years ago those sunk below Para-rotary-guay's
1950331;1573218263;BingoBoingo;Despite spending per pupil more than doubling (accounting for inflation)
1950332;1573218292;feedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2019/11/08/an-appeal-for-enemies/ << Ossa Sepia -- An Appeal for Enemies
1950333;1573218409;hanbot;BingoBoingo frankly i'm surprised they've the wherewithal to label x and y. must be a little less samba north of the river
1950334;1573218421;BingoBoingo;hanbot: Their campaign logo however is a fast forward symbol in "red, white, and blue" because everyone knows those are commit colors. People put that work sticker on their fucking WORK VEHICLES (i.e. delivery motorcycles)
1950335;1573218476;BingoBoingo;hanbot: Historically over here they were proud of high "literacy" rates for dubious definitions of literacy.
1950336;1573218570;BingoBoingo;hanbot: THe graph graffiti is mostly a thing in the transition barrios, a bit around Centro, and incredibly common in the outer barrios. Here in the "go to work" barrios with comemrcial activity they stick mostly to hammers and sickles
1950337;1573218896;hanbot;ahahaha commit colors indeed. kinda interesting that "claim disused public platform" still occurs first, over "make own", even in meatspace. "it's not worth making my own thing for this half-hearted non-message" "so stfu" "can't, i'm an activist"
1950338;1573219113;mircea_popescu;oddly, it never occurs to them that all this time they spend trying to spread their hate could be better spent doing something useful.
1950339;1573219136;mircea_popescu;"oh, our hateful idiocy is not hate" "whynot ?" "because... ours" "but you're nobody" "judge things on their merits!!!"
1950340;1573219212;hanbot;useful is boring. spraypaints have VOCs.
1950341;1573219280;BingoBoingo;Well, the way the coalition is split Partido Communista is blue color workers in State enterprises, Partido Socialist is White Collar workers in State enterprises, Mujica's MPP (the largest block) is pichis and mommies.
1950342;1573219339;mircea_popescu;and everyone's supposed to not notice the miami worship / vhs america theme ? what are they gonna do fi they win, build a time machine and go eat with reagan, the last time the us mattered ?
1950343;1573219406;BingoBoingo;Explicit Miami worship is more of a thing in the old, rather dead Partido Colorado. Uruguay's original take on Tammany Hall.
1950344;1573219443;BingoBoingo;The FA groups do Miami worship while claiming Havana worship
1950345;1573219567;mircea_popescu;practically the same thing
1950346;1573219579;BingoBoingo;Except the Partido Socialista who declares Oslo worship
1950347;1573219592;BingoBoingo;But yes, same thing sloppier labeling
1950348;1573219709;BingoBoingo;The Cubans do the thing here where they send their slave doctors to compete with local medical specialists. The 45,000-ish pesos a month unspecialized primary care physicians make here is more than enough to set the bozo bit on work in the medical field.
1950349;1573219924;BingoBoingo;The hate the country has for the city's eaters here well exceeds the anomisity present in the Chicago/Illinois split
1950350;1573227090;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, in substitute-monroe-actually-delivers news, http://www.celebritying.com/sexypics/jayne-mansfield-pussy/jayne-mansfield-pussy-and-boobs-3.jpg
1950351;1573227391;BingoBoingo;Nice find
1950352;1573227493;BingoBoingo;And now to fire off the auctions:
1950353;1573227514;BingoBoingo;!Xsell 1mn 168 Selling the server formerly known as UY1 no FUCKGOATS, no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
1950354;1573227514;auctionbot;Sell order # 1064 created by BingoBoingo: Selling the server formerly known as UY1 no FUCKGOATS, no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Opening: 1mn ecu Ending: 2019-11-15 21:37:54.887600 UTC (167 hours)
1950355;1573227531;BingoBoingo;!Xsell 5mn 168 Selling the server formerly used for S.MG Testing with FUCKGOATS, no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
1950356;1573227531;auctionbot;Sell order # 1065 created by BingoBoingo: Selling the server formerly used for S.MG Testing with FUCKGOATS, no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Opening: 5mn ecu Ending: 2019-11-15 21:38:11.900525 UTC (167 hours)
1950357;1573227547;BingoBoingo;!Xsell 5mn 168 Selling the server formerly used as S.MG Production with FUCKGOATS, no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
1950358;1573227547;auctionbot;Sell order # 1066 created by BingoBoingo: Selling the server formerly used as S.MG Production with FUCKGOATS, no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Opening: 5mn ecu Ending: 2019-11-15 21:38:28.450290 UTC (167 hours)
1950359;1573227557;BingoBoingo;!Xsell 22mn 168 Server formerly used for Qntra and DNS, no FG no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
1950360;1573227558;auctionbot;Sell order # 1067 created by BingoBoingo: Server formerly used for Qntra and DNS, no FG no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Opening: 22mn ecu Ending: 2019-11-15 21:38:38.780227 UTC (167 hours)
1950361;1573227576;BingoBoingo;!Xsell 100 168 Two switches used in the late Pizarro's server rack; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
1950362;1573227576;auctionbot;Sell order # 1068 created by BingoBoingo: Two switches used in the late Pizarro's server rack; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Opening: 100 ecu Ending: 2019-11-15 21:38:56.904013 UTC (167 hours)
1950363;1573227591;BingoBoingo;!Xsell 1mn 168 Former Pizarro RockChip Plant, no used USB drives; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Notes. Tools In photo are included for scale as the plant as configured requires more than one rack unit of height to mount. Pliers not included in plant, but screwdriver is negotiable.
1950364;1573227592;auctionbot;Sell order # 1069 created by BingoBoingo: Former Pizarro RockChip Plant, no used USB drives; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Notes. Tools In photo are included for scale as the plant as configured requires more than one rack unit of height to mount. Pliers not included in plant, but screwdriver is negotiable. Opening: 1mn ecu Ending: 2019-11-15 21:39:12.652465 UTC (167 hours)
1950365;1573227603;BingoBoingo;!Xsell 55mn 168 Lot of 5 unused Samsung 1 TB SSDs; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
1950366;1573227603;auctionbot;Sell order # 1070 created by BingoBoingo: Lot of 5 unused Samsung 1 TB SSDs; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Opening: 55mn ecu Ending: 2019-11-15 21:39:24.229818 UTC (167 hours)
1950367;1573227621;BingoBoingo;!Xsell 33mn 168 Lot of 2 Unused and 1 lightly used Samsung SSDs; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
1950368;1573227621;auctionbot;Sell order # 1071 created by BingoBoingo: Lot of 2 Unused and 1 lightly used Samsung SSDs; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Opening: 33mn ecu Ending: 2019-11-15 21:39:41.809261 UTC (167 hours)
1950369;1573227636;BingoBoingo;!Xsell 1 168 Lot of 18 FUCKGOATS in anti-static bags; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
1950370;1573227636;auctionbot;Sell order # 1072 created by BingoBoingo: Lot of 18 FUCKGOATS in anti-static bags; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Opening: 1 ecu Ending: 2019-11-15 21:39:57.226390 UTC (167 hours)
1950371;1573227655;BingoBoingo;!Xsell 40mn 168 Lot of 4 FUCKGOATS used; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
1950372;1573227656;auctionbot;Sell order # 1073 created by BingoBoingo: Lot of 4 FUCKGOATS used; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Opening: 40mn ecu Ending: 2019-11-15 21:40:16.614209 UTC (167 hours)
1950373;1573227667;BingoBoingo;!Xsell 1mn 168 1U chassis with two servers and one power supply, one unused 6TB WD Red 3.5" HDD; buyer to take possession at his own expense.
1950374;1573227667;auctionbot;Sell order # 1074 created by BingoBoingo: 1U chassis with two servers and one power supply, one unused 6TB WD Red 3.5" HDD; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Opening: 1mn ecu Ending: 2019-11-15 21:40:28.384179 UTC (167 hours)
1950375;1573227720;BingoBoingo;Photo preview of the merchandise, once again lives [http://bingology.net/2019/pizarro-liquidation-auction-preview-photos/][here]
1950376;1573227799;dorion;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-08#1950249 << heh, I half expected that, thanks. I acted on bias to share the lulz and laugh now rather than be silent about something of potential importance and cry later.
1950377;1573227799;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-08 06:39:24 mircea_popescu: lol dorion, nice pile of lulz you got there. diana_coman has the details, but in very general : gotta take it easier, man. it's just... it's the internet, you know ?
1950378;1573227989;mircea_popescu;makes sense.
1950379;1573231250;diana_coman;bvt: it occurs to me that you actually added some vpatch(es?) to vtools eg [http://bvt-trace.net/2019/08/vpatch-support-for-files-in-vtree-root/][support for files in vtree root] ; do you have /mirror the full tree somewhere?
1950380;1573231333;diana_coman;my frozen snapshot in the [http://ossasepia.com/2018/11/13/v-with-vtools-keccak-hashes-and-its-own-tree/][starter_v] is a press only up to vtools_ksum and I think it's time for an updated version really
1950381;1573238495;feedbot;http://thetarpit.org/2019/feed-bot-spec-proposal << The Tar Pit -- Feed bot spec proposal
1950382;1573238559;bvt;diana_coman: setting up a mirror with everything is still in TODO for me.
1950383;1573238636;bvt;not that it takes a lot of time, i guess i just never properly noted it down. will do after the measurements
1950384;1573242858;auctionbot;Sell order # 1073: Lot of 4 FUCKGOATS used; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 40mn from jurov. Ending: 2019-11-15 21:40:16.614209 UTC (163 hours 46 mins)
1950385;1573243714;auctionbot;Sell order # 1072: Lot of 18 FUCKGOATS in anti-static bags; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 1mn from asciilifeform. Ending: 2019-11-15 21:39:57.226390 UTC (163 hours 32 mins)
1950386;1573243740;auctionbot;Sell order # 1065: Selling the server formerly used for S.MG Testing with FUCKGOATS, no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 5mn from asciilifeform. Ending: 2019-11-15 21:38:11.900525 UTC (163 hours 29 mins)
1950387;1573243747;auctionbot;Sell order # 1066: Selling the server formerly used as S.MG Production with FUCKGOATS, no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 5mn from asciilifeform. Ending: 2019-11-15 21:38:28.450290 UTC (163 hours 30 mins)
1950388;1573250166;auctionbot;Sell order # 1072: Lot of 18 FUCKGOATS in anti-static bags; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 2mn from lobbes outbidding asciilifeform. Ending: 2019-11-15 21:39:57.226390 UTC (161 hours 44 mins)
1950389;1573256449;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/11/black-colorado-state-student-persecuted-for-blackface-costume/ << Qntra -- Black Colorado State Student Persecuted For Blackface Costume
1950390;1573267439;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/the-matrix/ << Trilema -- The Matrix
1950391;1573276298;feedbot;http://www.krankendenken.com/2019/11/workplan-remainder-of-november-2019/ << Krankendenken -- Workplan: Remainder of November 2019
1950392;1573281681;ave1;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1949941, checking in
1950393;1573281682;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-06 12:40:32 mircea_popescu: an' that leaves of the human hands ave1 an' mocky thoroughly unaccounted for.
1950394;1573281708;ave1;I've been snowed under with other work
1950395;1573281748;ave1;I finally learning how to build a real system
1950396;1573281805;ave1;i.e. not software and what a start-up is / means
1950397;1573281883;ave1;it's all consuming at the moment, but so far as I can see the future should be better halfway next year
1950398;1573281972;ave1;remaining time has gone into workable genesis for gcc and trying to build a static lamp stack
1950399;1573282244;ave1;which was hard for the lam part, but seems impossible for the p part for now. Because (a) php is an interface to almost all libraries on the system and (b) the configure scripts constantly find gcc based libs on the system plus (c) it uses gnu clib specific tricks.
1950400;1573286504;diana_coman;oh hey, welcome back ave1 !
1950401;1573291886;auctionbot;Sell order # 1072: Lot of 18 FUCKGOATS in anti-static bags; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 10mn from jurov outbidding lobbes. Ending: 2019-11-15 21:39:57.226390 UTC (150 hours 9 mins)
1950402;1573295473;feedbot;http://thetarpit.org/2019/ode-to-computer << The Tar Pit -- Ode to Computer
1950403;1573297780;mircea_popescu;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-09#1950329 << ah, that's beautiful!
1950404;1573297780;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-09 02:48:57 ave1: i.e. not software and what a start-up is / means
1950405;1573297794;mircea_popescu;what i don't understand, though, is... why not talk about it ?
1950406;1573297818;mircea_popescu;odds are, there's more people here better informed about those matters than anywhere else you could have access to. why eschew all that ?
1950407;1573297884;mircea_popescu;i confess it's the most boggling aspect to me at the moment, whence this tendency to mentally compartimentalize the republic. if it's a shitty influence, why bother with it. and if it isn't a shitty influence, as it damn well isn't, then why not USE it for all it's worth.
1950408;1573297964;mircea_popescu;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-09#1950331 << good god.
1950409;1573297964;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-09 02:51:44 ave1: remaining time has gone into workable genesis for gcc and trying to build a static lamp stack
1950410;1573297990;mircea_popescu;not that i wouldn't like a static lamp stack ; but why go on solitary missions with this kinda thing ? it just makes no fucking sense whatsoever.
1950411;1573298073;mircea_popescu;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-09#1950332 << i very much would like a ~reduced~ php. the item suffers from classical millenialtards improveitis, just like everything else. it was fine in 1994, since then they've fucked into ridiculousness.
1950412;1573298073;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-09 02:56:16 ave1: which was hard for the lam part, but seems impossible for the p part for now. Because (a) php is an interface to almost all libraries on the system and (b) the configure scripts constantly find gcc based libs on the system plus (c) it uses gnu clib specific tricks.
1950413;1573298086;mircea_popescu;but no, i don't expect you to do all that by yourself. ~TALK~ to people why the hell won't you ?!
1950414;1573298282;mircea_popescu;and in other diana_coman lulz, asciilifeform now thinks somebody wants to "convert" him. hey you! you didn't fucking leave, ~you got kicked out~. for being a moron. part and parcel of the very substance of that being a moron is your utterly ridiculous relationship to reality. stop tryina fucking retcon the past into something more amenable to your howling idiocy.
1950415;1573298316;mircea_popescu;it's not the case that "mp can't have partners". it's self-obvious that mp can, and does. YOU are NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO BE ONE. it is on you, you're the bad part of the apple.
1950416;1573298398;mircea_popescu;it's not the case "mp thinks of people as furniture". mp has a lengthy history of ~permitting people to choose~. people choose, sometimes to be furniture. like you chose, systematically and repeatedly, to be furniture. as you are are still choosing, as above. it's not my fucking fault you ~aren't~ more than a sofa -- it's your elaborately constructed self-identity. stop mixing me into it, i didn't make you what you are,
1950417;1573298398;mircea_popescu; you made yourself what you are. i'm not involved by observation.
1950418;1573298496;mircea_popescu;wtf is some guy going to "convert" you into, me becoming blind ? holy shit [http://trilema.com/2014/fatlogic/][the contortions of self-defensive imbecility].
1950419;1573298610;mircea_popescu;you were never as important as you think yourself. i don't mean, here. never, anywhere, your mother didn't think you as important as you think she thought you, nobody you ever met, including the stupid cunt you're attached to
1950420;1573298613;mircea_popescu;like one of those sperm-donating [https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/5655c1fae4b0c668da44dddb/1480433498350-5W4KNPV22UW4YU6ZND3R/Female+anglerfish+with+male+attached?content-type=image%2Fjpeg][cvasi-fish] doesn't think you're nearly as important as you think she does. nobody does, because nobody can, because it's NOT POSSIBLE.
1950421;1573298640;mircea_popescu;i'm not making it impossible by observing its impossiblity ; you're making it impossible by the way you go about things, because fantasy is a poor substitute for ~anything~.
1950422;1573298814;*;mircea_popescu will eschew the "you're mammals, stop trying to mate like angler fish already, femparasite bois!" article for now, though it's becoming quite self-obviously a major part of the problem of this supposedly civilised world.
1950423;1573326318;diana_coman;!Xbid 1064 1mn
1950424;1573326318;auctionbot;Sell order # 1064: Selling the server formerly known as UY1 no FUCKGOATS, no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 1mn from diana_coman. Ending: 2019-11-15 21:37:54.887600 UTC (140 hours 33 mins)
1950425;1573326447;diana_coman;!Xbid 1072 11mn
1950426;1573326448;auctionbot;Sell order # 1072: Lot of 18 FUCKGOATS in anti-static bags; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 11mn from diana_coman outbidding jurov. Ending: 2019-11-15 21:39:57.226390 UTC (140 hours 33 mins)
1950427;1573327646;*;BingoBoingo glad to see the auctions are getting early bidding.
1950428;1573327739;*;BingoBoingo will be back, on the day's 4th change of clothes. Getting "dress for the job you want" taken care of today.
1950429;1573343824;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/11/us-impeachment-drama-continues-building-towards-implosion/ << Qntra -- US "Impeachment" Drama Continues Building Towards Implosion
1950430;1573348407;feedbot;http://thewhet.net/2019/11/reading-ossasepia-logs-or-my-jig-is-up/ << The Whet -- Reading #ossasepia logs, or: my jig is up.
1950431;1573374042;mp_en_viaje;so did http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1950066 simply decay into the game of awkwardly waiting for each other ?
1950432;1573374042;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-06 23:32:29 mircea_popescu: trinque, suppose spyked's game, and what you have to do is run the two fellows + whatever we can meaningfully accrete through the tmsr-ization of cuntoo.
1950433;1573374443;diana_coman;they had a few words in #trinque; I've sent lobbes to ask if he can help with cuntoo perhaps too.
1950434;1573374521;*;diana_coman will bbl
1950435;1573374671;mp_en_viaje;suppose we follow some kinda procedure here, there's first a leader, who commits to the damned project, and so on.
1950436;1573374681;mp_en_viaje;none of this alf-like bullcrap.
1950437;1573374855;mp_en_viaje;and in general : the commitment to escaping management is by very far the best predictor of failure history has yet revealed ; with disavowal a major compounding factor. the "being an engineer" who "is not aware" he's deliberately fucking the records etc is absolutely never going to amount to anything (and his inept hindbrain voice whispering sweet nothings in the vein of "oh, challenge accepted", "nobody can know that" an
1950438;1573374855;mp_en_viaje;d assorted brainshit being the principal reason why he won't).
1950439;1573375038;mp_en_viaje;meanwhile in great inca lulz : "In 1929, he borrowed £2,000 (equivalent to £104,247 at 2011 prices) from a patient, William Mawhood, and bought an 18-room house called Kent Lodge, in Trinity Trees (then known as Seaside Road), a select address.".
1950440;1573375038;mp_en_viaje;[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/af/Kent_Lodge_-_Home_of_John_Bodkin_Adams.jpg][this thing].
1950441;1573375038;mp_en_viaje;now how the fuck is 20k 1920s pounds "equivalent to 100k in 2011 prices", considering that in 2011 you can not even buy, FOR ANY AMOUNT OF MONEY, that 18 bedroom house there ; all that's available is this "7 bedroom" eyesore, for [https://www.zoopla.co.uk/for-sale/details/51533801?search_identifier=3b3b29304438d4936ed41ff1a36c7ebe][over half a million pounds].
1950442;1573375041;mp_en_viaje;even leaving aside the ~select address~ problem, there's nowhere in england such a thing as a select address can be had in 2020, as opposed to 1920 : the minimum price for the human dwelling'd have to be ~an interpolated~ (for lack of actual such items on the market) 1.5 to 2 million pounds.
1950443;1573375045;mp_en_viaje;unless, of course, one realises that what passes for "a bedroom" in 2020 is the 1920s notion of a closet.
1950444;1573375047;mp_en_viaje;so no, 2k in 1920 very much isn't 100k in 2011 prices. it's AT LEAST A MILLION ; and "2011 prices" is purely an academic point anyway, because the sort of thing one could trivially buy in 1920 ~DOES NOT EXIST~, and therefore can't be bought for any amount of these 2020 "money" that very well fucking aren't either money or anything remotely like it.
1950445;1573375052;mp_en_viaje;the only possible equivalent of 1920s £1 today is notional "infinity", about the same as the market price of a two inch tall naked fairy chained to a fuckstick.
1950446;1573376661;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-10#1950364 <-- http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-08#1950234 ; also, I'd still like some feedback re http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-08#1950228 ; is the new deedbot functionality still on the roadmap, or...?
1950447;1573376661;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-10 04:26:20 mp_en_viaje: so did http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1950066 simply decay into the game of awkwardly waiting for each other ?
1950448;1573376662;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-08 03:03:38 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1950067 <-- I'd really like to contribute to that, the only reason I didn't do it thus far being that there was always a pile of other shit to do
1950449;1573376662;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-08 03:00:59 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1949938 <-- can't say yet whether that'd take 1.5 or 3 months, but... it was my understanding that http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-21#1947274 is a pretty important item. either way, as I've said before, that plan ain't set in stone, any suggestions/guidance on priorities is more than welcome. I [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#
1950450;1573382355;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-10#1950368 - I'm all for it.
1950451;1573382356;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-10 04:36:49 mp_en_viaje: suppose we follow some kinda procedure here, there's first a leader, who commits to the damned project, and so on.
1950452;1573382441;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-10#1950374 - eh, nice rant and fine on money & figures; still, there are way nicer houses than that shit; "terraced" stands for shit around here but the original thing wasn't classed as terraced either so not sure why pick on that example.
1950453;1573382441;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-10 04:42:57 mp_en_viaje: now how the fuck is 20k 1920s pounds "equivalent to 100k in 2011 prices", considering that in 2011 you can not even buy, FOR ANY AMOUNT OF MONEY, that 18 bedroom house there ; all that's available is this "7 bedroom" eyesore, for [https://www.zoopla.co.uk/for-sale/details/51533801?search_identifier=3b3b29304438d4936ed41ff1a36c7ebe][over half a million pounds].
1950454;1573384806;hanbot;mp_en_viaje i kinda suspect bad writing in your excerpt..."he" borrowed 2k and bought, dun mean the thing bought was capped at 2k, who borrows the ENTIRE amount they need for purchasing real estate?!
1950455;1573384879;hanbot;diana_coman wtf does terraced even mean, as in it has one? or it's been built on a hill and spreads itself like rice paddies?! lol
1950456;1573385206;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, i picked it because it happened to be recorded.
1950457;1573385218;mp_en_viaje;hanbot, this guy.
1950458;1573385268;mp_en_viaje;kinda interesting historical character, gp and suspected (though never proven) serial killer, had coupla hundred patients die on him in a decade, of which the vast majority willed him the majority of theit estate.
1950459;1573385300;diana_coman;hanbot: I had quite a mindfuck at first re "terraced" ; from practical experience, it seems to mean "row of houses sharing walls" really; no idea where "terrace" comes into that.
1950460;1573385319;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, i do not believe the nicer houses theory. if there's a 3 level dozen+ bedroom house anywhere, it's going to be ensconced in fifty hides' land, not on a town street.
1950461;1573385340;diana_coman;and there are 2 main types, with the victorian terraces the shittiest thing possible (they were built specifically as cheap houses for newly "not-servant-but-worker".
1950462;1573385342;mp_en_viaje;which is my point here, i want a house in town not a house in the pretentious wilderness of "civilised" england
1950463;1573385359;mp_en_viaje;TOWN. it means things. things such as no uppity morons, everyone on the street can read greek, etc. town, you know, urbanity.
1950464;1573385363;diana_coman;they do manage at times to make communist flats seem great by comparison.
1950465;1573385438;hanbot;mp_en_viaje that sounds like a great place, this town, let's go.
1950466;1573385442;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: well, that urbanity doesn't exist anywhere currently, sure.
1950467;1573385459;hanbot;diana_coman oh i see, it's code for not-really-a-house
1950468;1573385474;mp_en_viaje;thus therefore, the money of today isn't money either. because that's what money is predicated on, having a town somewhere issuing it.
1950469;1573385504;mp_en_viaje;when mining colony issues it's own i-cant-believe-its-not-money scrip, the thing's called... scrip
1950470;1573385524;diana_coman;hanbot: quite; I suppose the "spreading like rice terraces " could at least be related too, lolz.
1950471;1573385528;mp_en_viaje;"what can it buy you ?" "umm... nothing anyone'd ever want"
1950472;1573385564;mp_en_viaje;re terraces : the famous mr bultitude dwelled on terraces-something. it was 1880s lingo for nouveau rich dwellings, actually.
1950473;1573385668;*;hanbot lived on "wilshire terrace", once. it was a hole in a concrete box with a street so narrow turning around in the car was 12 points, minimum.
1950474;1573385687;hanbot;not to sully the grandeur of Mr. Bultitude
1950475;1573385689;diana_coman;those must be my "other type" ie still shitty but not as shitty as the other; one the nouveau rich and the other the nouveau poor, lolz.
1950476;1573385696;mp_en_viaje;lol
1950477;1573385769;hanbot;i can see the nouveau poor having to add a d, for the past tense, to most of their things
1950478;1573385808;hanbot;terrace-->terraced
1950479;1573385922;diana_coman;lol! fwiw there is also the predictable "hierarchy" within the shit with "end of terrace" being a degree of pride and so on.
1950480;1573386088;hanbot;premium-nothing-anyone'd-ever-want
1950481;1573386270;mp_en_viaje;pretty much life as a micropayments [http://trilema.com/2016/the-eastern-rpg/][crappy mmorpg], you can "get premium" consisting of... same-crap maybe slightly earlier than you'd be getting it anyway, or packaged in a different color or such
1950482;1573386279;mp_en_viaje;but in the end, what you get is what you get, socialism only has one set.
1950483;1573390738;mp_en_viaje;ftr http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-30#1948686 item was actually http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2017-12-14#1751567 rather than the feb item there quoted, i discover preparing the smg report.
1950484;1573390739;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-30 07:17:27 mp_en_viaje: do you remember that instance i actually forbade your talking to alf ?
1950485;1573390739;ossabot;Logged on 2017-12-14 13:45:07 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-14#1751463 << it does exactly one fucking job. this one : diana_coman please don't talk to asciilifeform or take any further advice from him. total timewaste.
1950486;1573400250;BingoBoingo;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-10#1950377 << There seems to be a [http://trilema.com/2013/soft-consensus-aka-fecal-matter/][soft consensus] that had the derps everywhere stop and normalize everything at "2011 prices/dollars" for some reason. This is an endemic problem with the inter-LATAM comparative graphs. "Oh, we include data 1990 through 2018 but normalize to 2011 dollars"
1950487;1573400250;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-10 04:43:05 mp_en_viaje: so no, 2k in 1920 very much isn't 100k in 2011 prices. it's AT LEAST A MILLION ; and "2011 prices" is purely an academic point anyway, because the sort of thing one could trivially buy in 1920 ~DOES NOT EXIST~, and therefore can't be bought for any amount of these 2020 "money" that very well fucking aren't either money or anything remotely like it.
1950488;1573400316;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/minigame-smg-statement-on-q3-2019/ << Trilema -- MiniGame (S.MG) Statement on Q3 2019
1950489;1573400482;mp_en_viaje;hanbot, lol, present yourself. you mean introduce ?
1950490;1573400494;hanbot;stand and deliver! :D
1950491;1573400537;mp_en_viaje;keks
1950492;1573400579;hanbot;for the logs: he's talking about http://thewhet.net/my-channel-trilema-hanbot/ fwiw --i don't think feedbot picks up new blog *pages*
1950493;1573400603;diana_coman;hanbot: thanks, I was just greping on your blog, lol
1950494;1573400839;diana_coman;hanbot: do you have a full copy/mirror of eulorum.org?
1950495;1573400874;diana_coman;while it's been up for quite a while and supposedly it's "community-run", I don't really like referencing it anymore because I have no idea for how long it will stay up
1950496;1573400978;hanbot;hmm. no, actually; i have local copies of pages i've edited less 1-3 of the most recent edits, yeesh. i just changed the paste & wot browser links today, for instance, but didn't keep the new text locally. i'ma remedy this tonight.
1950497;1573400994;diana_coman;is your scythe that [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log-search?q=scythe&chan=trilema][scythe]? I'd link it, for context if nothing else.
1950498;1573401270;hanbot;death's scythe, given the previous line's about ego-annihilation. i don't see what linking'd hurt tho'. who knows who'll find what entry point to the logs captivatin'.
1950499;1573401313;diana_coman;well certainly, the scythe is a deadly tool, esp for grass :D
1950500;1573401323;mp_en_viaje;in unrelated great ass, http://www.hecklerspray.com/wp-content/gallery/jayne-mansfield-nude/jayne-mansfield-nude-21.jpg
1950501;1573401358;hanbot;lol sequitir curului
1950502;1573401378;mp_en_viaje;haha yea!
1950503;1573402127;diana_coman;mod6: where's that wyatt youngster, maybe point him to #o or #t-hanbot?
1950504;1573403254;mp_en_viaje;yeah, what ever became of that guy ?
1950505;1573403367;diana_coman;iirc he silently dropped from eulora, most probably not quite grokking much of it /coming at it with an oh,shiny image.
1950506;1573403376;diana_coman;but he was quite young really
1950507;1573408037;BingoBoingo;hanbot: Comment waiting in your mod/spam hopper. I suspect the quantity of log links pushed it there.
1950508;1573408194;hanbot;approved and link limit raised
1950509;1573408296;BingoBoingo;hanbot: ty
1950510;1573412203;hanbot;mp_en_viaje what do i need to do for a [http://trilema.com/2019/concedo-hoc][license] for #trilema-hanbot?
1950511;1573412235;mp_en_viaje;nothing besides the commitment to doing something with it.
1950512;1573412242;mp_en_viaje;ima issue one this coming week.
1950513;1573412334;hanbot;thank you. i'll be looking for ways to "call the ships to port" this week also.
1950514;1573413652;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-10#1950366 << fwiw I asked my q's to trinque in his [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trinque/2019-11-10][channel].
1950515;1573413652;ericbot;Logged on 2019-11-10 08:30:28 diana_coman: they had a few words in #trinque; I've sent lobbes to ask if he can help with cuntoo perhaps too.
1950516;1573413654;lobbes;( my q's were related to my own skillset and not really the project as a whole, so I specifically decided to not ask them in #t )
1950517;1573414626;feedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2019/11/10/v-tree-and-v-starter-v2/ << Ossa Sepia -- V-tree and V-starter V2
1950518;1573417150;mp_en_viaje;aite
1950519;1573417210;diana_coman;bvt: any eta for that vtools tree? I think I'll mirror it myself but I'd much rather mirror *your* sigs on *all* vpatches - can you point me to them please?
1950520;1573417960;bvt;diana_coman: i never signed all of the vtools vpatches. the only patches with my signatures are that of http://bvt-trace.net/2018/10/vpatch-replacing-mktemp3-take-two/ http://bvt-trace.net/2019/07/vdiff-vpatch-blockwise-keccaking/ http://bvt-trace.net/2019/08/vpatch-support-for-files-in-vtree-root/; the eta for a full tree can be this wednesday.
1950521;1573418153;bvt;also, update on the measurements: the rest of perf overhead was still coming from the tty driver, i had to resort a yet different fix for reading, however with keccak (i turned already present sha3 into keccak) i am currently stuck with a hand that manifests during early bootup, so i will the full writeup when i eliminate the bug; most likely, keccak would be feasible for both fast and good hashing.
1950522;1573418223;bvt;s/hand/hang/
1950523;1573419633;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/11/unrest-in-south-america-continues/ << Qntra -- Unrest In South America Continues
1950524;1573420140;BingoBoingo;^ Updated. Evo Morales resigned +/- a couple minutes from hitting the publish button
1950525;1573420200;mp_en_viaje;bvt, ok, this sounds pretty great
1950526;1573420619;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema-hanbot/2019-11-10#1000045 << lol, recall that time i showed up with a pistol atop the luggage, explained to the contradicted inspector that "it's ok, it has no magazine, see ?", which he happily accepted while that frenchwoman who had just lost however many hundreds in expensive cosmetics "omfg, can't take liquids!!!" bubbled over with rage ?
1950527;1573420619;ossabot;(trilema-hanbot) 2019-11-10 hanbot: yeah, i think the best way is just bringing them with you through airports. in my experience customs @ santamaria has no cares and no curiosities.
1950528;1573420646;mp_en_viaje;dude was totally into it, "oh, yeah, no magazine, that's all right"
1950529;1573420826;BingoBoingo;lol
1950530;1573420865;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, wikipedia dun know about the retiring yet lol
1950531;1573420920;mp_en_viaje;https://twitter.com/evoespueblo for lulz.
1950532;1573420976;*;mp_en_viaje never could stomach the dork.
1950533;1573421011;hanbot;mp_en_viaje steps for dealing with customs like mp_en_viaje: 1. be mp_en_viaje; 2. ???
1950534;1573421018;mp_en_viaje;lol
1950535;1573421019;BingoBoingo;Well he was one of those "Let's try a figurehead from the mass of the population" experiments
1950536;1573421047;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, this whole nativist "third way" socialism is pretty fucking offensive. what, everyone's tito now ?
1950537;1573421054;mp_en_viaje;tito wasn't a fucking chucka, wtf.
1950538;1573421081;BingoBoingo;Peru of all places seemed to have the best solution to this in the 1990s
1950539;1573421260;diana_coman;bvt: that sounds quite great really ! re vtools though, wouldn't you sign those other vpatches you built on top or what's the thing there?
1950540;1573421371;diana_coman;on top of*
1950541;1573421946;mp_en_viaje;o btw hanbot : http://trilema.com/2012/pentru-echipa-si-alte-abureli/#footnote_0_37518 !!!
1950542;1573422188;bvt;diana_coman: ok, this should be it http://bvt-trace.net/tree-vtools/
1950543;1573422411;hanbot;mp_en_viaje lol pea-tree! of course by now "acacia" just connotes the extra-scary spike-spined horrors from backwoods costa rica.
1950544;1573422653;BingoBoingo;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-10#1950469 << It occurs to me that this sorta aversion to the local "nativists" wanting to socialism down here spoiled the Trump "hallucinated best friend" hangers on back in old country.
1950545;1573422653;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-10 17:29:49 mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, this whole nativist "third way" socialism is pretty fucking offensive. what, everyone's tito now ?
1950546;1573422739;BingoBoingo;Weev, Anglin, the Heartiste fucker who to this day hasn't fired up his own blog after Automattic booted him... It's a gimme crowd every bit as offensive as the WIC mommies crossing the borders that they bitch about
1950547;1573423133;mod6;<+diana_coman> mod6: where's that wyatt youngster, maybe point him to #o or #t-hanbot? << ok will do for sure.
1950548;1573423167;mod6;<+mp_en_viaje> yeah, what ever became of that guy ? << I haven't heard from him in quite a long time.
1950549;1573423195;mod6;Last I heard tho, he was playing a lot of Fortnite or whatever it is.
1950550;1573423216;*;mod6 bbl
1950551;1573424198;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile in fiat governments can't actually back their claims https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/aduaneros-advierten-que-cambios-en-controles-de-contenedores-no-son-suficientes-2019119155624
1950552;1573431242;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, no shortage of the sorta derps, tbh. they're divinely inspired to do whatever the fuck infantile nonsense and "the industry" should give them delicious schnitzels or w/e. that yodopopo w/e the fuck his name was sounded exactly the same.
1950553;1573431308;BingoBoingo;AHA, that Argentine at heart pretending to be Greek fucker
1950554;1573448687;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-04#1949410 << in updates on this front: I have traced the breakage to somewhere in the "wp-includes/plugin.php". It looks like it is the "apply_filters" function that may be mangling the url. More digging to commence tomorrow
1950555;1573448688;ericbot;Logged on 2019-11-04 14:46:15 mp_en_viaje: if you were to give it a looksee that'd be most helpful.
1950556;1573449460;lobbes;or to be more exact, I believe I've ruled out 'xmlrpc.php' being the culprit. Rather, the breakage happens once the values in the $commentdata array are shipped off to the "wp_new_comment()" function in "wp-includes/comment.php" (which then makes a call to 'apply_filters()')
1950557;1573449487;*;lobbes will create an article from notes once it is nailed down
1950558;1573456734;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-10#1950475 - thank you!
1950559;1573456734;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-10 17:48:49 bvt: diana_coman: ok, this should be it http://bvt-trace.net/tree-vtools/
1950560;1573463456;auctionbot;Sell order # 1072: Lot of 18 FUCKGOATS in anti-static bags; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 50mn from jurov outbidding diana_coman. Ending: 2019-11-15 21:39:57.226390 UTC (102 hours 29 mins)
1950561;1573465783;spyked;hey trinque. reading http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1950058 followed by http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trinque/2019-11-10#1000026 leaves me a tad confused. is it that you want to pull out portage out of the existing bootstrapper recipe, or the other way around, or what's the general idea?
1950562;1573465784;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-06 23:18:58 trinque: the busybox item is interesting because I have some hope of actually eating the thing.
1950563;1573465784;ossabot;(trinque) 2019-11-10 trinque: lobbes: go ahead and get a system built from the bootstrapper I released.
1950564;1573465936;*;spyked is not entirely clear on concrete goals re. cuntoo, so in light of http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-10#1950368 thinks it would be a good idea to discuss 'em
1950565;1573465936;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-10 04:36:49 mp_en_viaje: suppose we follow some kinda procedure here, there's first a leader, who commits to the damned project, and so on.
1950566;1573487747;mp_en_viaje;meanwhile in other lulz (mostly for BingoBoingo 's civil law files) : woman here suspected her daughters might have lice, the rural school had some hygiene problems, so she proceeded to wash their hair with zootechnical tick repellent.
1950567;1573487802;mp_en_viaje;she figured out something's not right when they passed out hours later -- so she had to carry the kids three miles to the closest road to get them into a waiting cab to get them to the hospital, by which time one died, the other was comatose (died a few days later)
1950568;1573487812;mp_en_viaje;per ro law she has to be prosecuted,
1950569;1573487821;mp_en_viaje;and also per ro law the prosecution doesn'
1950570;1573487824;mp_en_viaje;t stand a chance.
1950571;1573487859;mp_en_viaje;something that rather doesn't exist in the us -- the mandatory da defeat.
1950572;1573488523;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: Reading the penal code really helped to make a lot more sense of many of the lulzier local news items for this reason. There's so many edges shit gets caught on that in the US would almost certainly result in some sorta plea, consent order, diversion programs, etc that instead have to go through the motions and fail.
1950573;1573488598;BingoBoingo;It's refreshing. Also, do they not have imidacloprid there?
1950574;1573488979;BingoBoingo;Anyways, the outgoing government here has described the resignations in Bolivia as "un Golpe de Estado" as though that is a bad thing. Yes, the government got hit. What the fuck is wrong with a government getting hit from time to time?
1950575;1573489409;mp_en_viaje;no, actgually, that's kinda the problem : they have all sorta thing and they don't know what most of it is.
1950576;1573489427;mp_en_viaje;hence very anthropologically accurate if rather historical reaction : try it on the kids, see.
1950577;1573489566;BingoBoingo;I am reminded of the couple of sickly middle aged to old folks who visited me during my garden center days, always raving about how effective the organophosphate "Anti-pest strips" they used all over their living spaces were.
1950578;1573489630;BingoBoingo;"I strongly recommend you stop doing that, and see a doctor. Take the packaging with you" "Fuck you, it works"
1950579;1573489736;BingoBoingo;Of course that wasn't the historically precendented try it on the kids. It was just dumb old fucks too lazy to clean.
1950580;1573489801;BingoBoingo;This is also the same market that buys Diquat because "Roundup causes cancer!!!"
1950581;1573489818;BingoBoingo;s/market/market segment
1950582;1573490057;BingoBoingo;"Cultural sensistivity training" start in Kindergarten and they still will not include "Read the instructions or die" in any curriculumn
1950583;1573490641;BingoBoingo;The Latina "amas de casa" have a similar fascination with bleach. Because "Agua Jane" kills germs they want to throw that shit on everything all the time, and they firmly believe they are indemnified by Señora Fatima herself that nothing bad can come from bleaching everything... except colored clothes.
1950584;1573491217;mp_en_viaje;the sore buttholes resulting from that "fuck you, it works" approach being how we ended up with being an engineers in the first place.
1950585;1573491408;mp_en_viaje;incidentally, re the organophosphate holocaust, wikipedia is typically logical : "Organophosphate poisoning occurs most commonly as a suicide attempt in farming areas of the developing world and less commonly by accident." ; "OPs are one of the most common causes of poisoning worldwide. There are nearly 3 million poisonings per year resulting in two hundred thousand deaths. Around 15% of people who are poisoned die as a re
1950586;1573491408;mp_en_viaje;sult."
1950587;1573491549;BingoBoingo;Abundance without reflection on the how or why of the abundance being brought about
1950588;1573491610;mp_en_viaje;both lobes reference ~the same "work"~, to boot! this will go down in history as "ustarded summarization", when the authors are so reliant on retarded readership, they will actually write bullet points in direct contradiction to the material with no care or concern.
1950589;1573491677;mp_en_viaje;no, most posoning ~worldwide~ is currently the result of incidental exposure of rando dorks to organophosphates in the "civilised" world. 5% of the per-capitas accounts for MOST of the occurence.
1950590;1573491745;BingoBoingo;In my observations, there are many unreported cases of chronic organophosphate poisoning case by failure to read the instructions. Old bitches don't have "idiopathic essential tremor", they decided to introduce slow release nerve gas into their habitation because they Doritos(TM)(R) in bed.
1950591;1573491995;mp_en_viaje;aha
1950592;1573492014;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: Its only incidental when the dork's agency is correctly discounted. Per their brainbox churnings, the cases I have seen are almost always intentional: "I want to spray my tree to kill bagworms" "Here is the Sevin, let me walk you to the safety glasses and respirators" Cartman: "Fuck you, It's my hot body! I do what I want"
1950593;1573492069;mp_en_viaje;then old bitches' nephew ends up with typical ustardian encephalopathy, also undiagnosed.
1950594;1573492102;mp_en_viaje;"why are these bois so useless, to the point if you surgeried them into cvasi-girls they'd actual improve ?" "umm... granma house."
1950595;1573492105;BingoBoingo;I suspect more than anything Africa started seizing the culture in the 60s for a reason.
1950596;1573492174;BingoBoingo;If you can't do mosquito control with DDT, gotta fog with Malathion, etc.
1950597;1573492225;mp_en_viaje;well, the relationship between cognitive deficit and chronic op has been known since the 70s, post vietnam human experiments
1950598;1573492444;BingoBoingo;Right, and in certain cases OP family of poisons are the best tools for their particular niches... But the Boeble... They don't care about niches, safety, of the fainest whiff of the stuff firing all the "RUN, ESCAPE NOW" neurons.
1950599;1573492559;BingoBoingo;They just don't want to see live bugs
1950600;1573492626;BingoBoingo;It's almost what toxoplasmosis tries to do to rats except... entirely self inflicted
1950601;1573494846;mp_en_viaje;ikr! i was just thinking this, "howly shit, this is like elaborately reconstructed toxoplasmosis"
1950602;1573494964;BingoBoingo;The major difference seems to be that the cat offers a more humane end to the afflicted
1950603;1573505886;BingoBoingo;lobbes: In this case, please do not extend my auctions for this auction bot outage. I anticipate folks planning to bid near the end have already cleared their calendars.
1950604;1573506155;lobbes;BingoBoingo: roger that
1950605;1573506168;BingoBoingo;ty
1950606;1573515449;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/11/uk-police-punish-237-of-their-own-for-internal-breaching/ << Qntra -- UK Police Punish 237 Of Their Own For Internal Breaching
1950607;1573515694;feedbot;http://bimbo.club/2019/11/prague/ << Bimbo Club -- Prague
1950608;1573517746;trinque;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-07#1950146 << works for me
1950609;1573517746;lobbesbot;trinque: Sent 4 days, 8 hours, and 21 minutes ago: http://bingology.net/2019/pizarro-liquidation-auctions-proposal/#comment-1505 << Proposal for the auction of your hardware.
1950610;1573517746;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-07 11:59:49 BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell trinque http://bingology.net/2019/pizarro-liquidation-auctions-proposal/#comment-1505 << Proposal for the auction of your hardware.
1950611;1573517822;trinque;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-08#1950231 << since I've got the botwork already in flight on my end, what do you say you and lobbes tackle making cuntoo into a usable item for mp_en_viaje and diana_coman ?
1950612;1573517822;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-08 03:01:05 spyked: 1947777][did agree] to work on that tho, so would also like to hear from trinque re this
1950613;1573517902;trinque;I'm thinking you and he could turn this into a proper consulting gig if they like what you produce, and I'm happy to manage / advise such an endeavor.
1950614;1573517922;BingoBoingo;trinque: Already running as S#1074 on Auctionbot with the other servers. I don't know why this gorgeous thing hasn't gotten any bids yet http://bingology.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/trinquebeast.jpg Copper Heatsinks!
1950615;1573517944;trinque;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-10#1950447 << see above. I'd like to know what folks want from the item before a single thing is done.
1950616;1573517945;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-10 15:26:33 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-10#1950366 << fwiw I asked my q's to trinque in his [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trinque/2019-11-10][channel].
1950617;1573517945;ericbot;Logged on 2019-11-10 08:30:28 diana_coman: they had a few words in #trinque; I've sent lobbes to ask if he can help with cuntoo perhaps too.
1950618;1573517960;trinque;diana_coman: this could mean getting a list of packages you need running on it, if you're willing.
1950619;1573518018;trinque;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-11#1950494 << this one's an experiment, not ready for public use, but feel free to discuss with me in #trinque
1950620;1573518018;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-11 05:55:28 spyked: hey trinque. reading http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1950058 followed by http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trinque/2019-11-10#1000026 leaves me a tad confused. is it that you want to pull out portage out of the existing bootstrapper recipe, or the other way around, or what's the general idea?
1950621;1573518227;trinque;the idea actually comes from earlier threads on infectious linux, and also on what a sane world would have instead of a web browser
1950622;1573518288;trinque;I am failing to find the appropriate links as yet.
1950623;1573529862;auctionbot;Sell order # 1063: selling items 1, 2 and 4 through 7 on http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/snsa_1_nov_2019.txt ; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 45mn from asciilifeform outbidding diana_coman. Ending: 2019-11-12 15:43:00.630180 UTC (6 hours 6 mins)
1950624;1573529962;auctionbot;Sell order # 1068: Two switches used in the late Pizarro's server rack; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 100 from asciilifeform. Ending: 2019-11-15 21:38:56.904013 UTC (84 hours 0 mins)
1950625;1573530039;auctionbot;Sell order # 1074: 1U chassis with two servers and one power supply, one unused 6TB WD Red 3.5" HDD; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 1mn from asciilifeform. Ending: 2019-11-15 21:40:28.384179 UTC (84 hours 0 mins)
1950626;1573530376;auctionbot;Sell order # 1069: Former Pizarro RockChip Plant, no used USB drives; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Notes. Tools In photo are included for scale as the plant as configured requires more than one rack unit of height to mount. Pliers not included in plant, but screwdriver is negotiable. Heard: 1mn from asciilifeform. Ending: 2019-11-15 21:39:12.652465 UTC (83 hours 53 mins)
1950627;1573531730;lobbes;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-11#1950544 << this sounds good to me
1950628;1573531731;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-11 20:22:50 trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-08#1950231 << since I've got the botwork already in flight on my end, what do you say you and lobbes tackle making cuntoo into a usable item for mp_en_viaje and diana_coman ?
1950629;1573538230;feedbot;http://bingology.net/2019/last-week-and-some-aspects-of-uruguay-in-review/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Last Week And Some Aspects Of Uruguay In Review
1950630;1573541338;auctionbot;Sell order # 1063: selling items 1, 2 and 4 through 7 on http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/snsa_1_nov_2019.txt ; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 55mn from jfw outbidding asciilifeform. Ending: 2019-11-12 15:43:00.630180 UTC (2 hours 54 mins)
1950631;1573544730;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-11#1950551 - is this going to diverge then ie there's cuntoo and then there's infectious linux and something else or what? I'm rather confused now as to directions; for that matter and for the forum, there's in principle also jfw's [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-05#1008851][Gales distro] if we are at that; I'd rather see the effort focused and coordinated by a single ...
1950632;1573544730;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-11 20:25:08 trinque: diana_coman: this could mean getting a list of packages you need running on it, if you're willing.
1950633;1573544730;ossabot;(ossasepia) 2019-11-05 jfw: Gales Linux is a new distribution, not using Portage or other sort of auto-download and dependency resolution; it's got a set of package build scripts I've developed over time based on my own needs
1950634;1573544736;diana_coman;... person (trinque?)
1950635;1573544865;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trinque/2019-11-03#1000013 - any eta on this?
1950636;1573544866;ossabot;(trinque) 2019-11-03 trinque: need to do a bit of decrufting before I post these, going to wrap it up tomorrow.
1950637;1573544885;diana_coman;I still don't really have any clear idea what trinque has done or wants to do.
1950638;1573551824;auctionbot;Sell order # 1063 has ENDED: selling items 1, 2 and 4 through 7 on http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/snsa_1_nov_2019.txt ; buyer to take possession at his own expense. SOLD to jfw for 55mn ecu. Attn: mp_en_viaje
1950639;1573555488;mp_en_viaje;that's a good price for a coupla boxes huh.
1950640;1573555510;mp_en_viaje;mazel tov
1950641;1573555590;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950564 << my only take-away is that trinque does not want to own the tmsr os. whether this is because ye olde manaloning & etc silly habits of boihood are just that hard to break, or for whatever reason. i can't quite discern, seeing how he talks little and mostly besides the point.
1950642;1573555591;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-12 03:51:20 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-11#1950551 - is this going to diverge then ie there's cuntoo and then there's infectious linux and something else or what? I'm rather confused now as to directions; for that matter and for the forum, there's in principle also jfw's [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-05#1008851][Gales distro] if we are at that; I'd rather see the effort focused and coordin
1950643;1573555634;mp_en_viaje;in any case, http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950560 << no, nothing could be further from good. you can't go about "doing the best you can" "by yourself" on a nonsense ill defined task like that. what are you trying to turn into, THEM ?
1950644;1573555635;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-12 00:14:39 lobbes: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-11#1950544 << this sounds good to me
1950645;1573555654;mp_en_viaje;let it be until such a time we can find someone qualified to own it. same place trb is waiting, and so on.
1950646;1573555875;diana_coman;fwiw my take so far is that trinque wants to provide consultancy at most.
1950647;1573555966;mp_en_viaje;whatever that may mean.
1950648;1573556101;mp_en_viaje;anyway, moving on : ave1 what's your lamp shenanigans consist of specifically ? anything substantial enough so that you can retroactively cure your failure to document it such that it might persuasively argue for your qualification to lead this effort ?
1950649;1573556175;mp_en_viaje;pretty threadbare sack at that, huh.
1950650;1573556268;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, tell me about this gales thing ?
1950651;1573556552;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: from what I talked to jfw so far (he still has to write it up but there's a long list there of write-ups for him to do!), he made his own distribution with his own scripts for package building; he has it in production in that he uses it for his clients afaik but it doesn't seem to scale well the way it is currently
1950652;1573556564;mp_en_viaje;what is "his clients" ?
1950653;1573556576;diana_coman;because any new package one wants would require someone to write the script for it
1950654;1573556580;diana_coman;and there's no X stack either
1950655;1573556581;mp_en_viaje;!!up jfw
1950656;1573556582;deedbot;jfw voiced for 30 minutes.
1950657;1573556588;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: he just went to sleep, lol
1950658;1573556593;mp_en_viaje;oh.
1950659;1573556600;mp_en_viaje;aite, send him over when he wakes, we continue this convo.
1950660;1573556608;diana_coman;yes
1950661;1573556631;mp_en_viaje;i can't imagine how tmsr-os would work such that a package one wants to import wouldn't require some diddling
1950662;1573556714;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: that's the thing, as I told him after [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-05#1008848][my initial talk on this], the trouble is that it seems to be [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-05#1008876][more of a homework exercise] than a system to have.
1950663;1573556715;ossabot;(ossasepia) 2019-11-05 diana_coman: but at any rate, what's that Gales Linux exactly and how/in what way different from Cuntoo? where/what are your problems there?
1950664;1573556715;ossabot;(ossasepia) 2019-11-05 diana_coman: but hm, that does sound overall more like your own practice room to know-more-linux than anything else
1950665;1573556731;diana_coman;some diddling is one thing
1950666;1573556739;diana_coman;having to write a full script is another
1950667;1573556796;diana_coman;I'd still have a look at it in more detail.
1950668;1573556944;mp_en_viaje;nfi what that means. echo "echo 'fuck you, world.'" > script.sh produces a script
1950669;1573556977;mp_en_viaje;not a very good one, for instance can't easily turn fuck you, world. into fuck you, world! -- but still, it's a FULL script
1950670;1573557006;diana_coman;heh, I doubt it's *that little*; anyways, I'd certainly rather see it in detail by now, yes.
1950671;1573557058;mp_en_viaje;the problem here is that EVERYTHING -- meaning, ~~~EEEEEEVERYTHING~~~ is rather a "homework" exercise than any kinda serious effort.
1950672;1573557093;mp_en_viaje;because for their sins computers were born after the capacity for serious activity died in the esltard. so it's all comicon all over, "this is some doodle i made please don't hate me" psychoweird.
1950673;1573557119;diana_coman;myeah.
1950674;1573557135;mp_en_viaje;crystal space was made in this manner. internet explorer (all versions) was made in this manner. the original firefox was made in this manner, and then retired in this manner. and everything .
1950675;1573557209;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: re "his clients", they are meant to write up and publish by this Sunday their existing business plan and whatever other related documents they have.
1950676;1573557210;mp_en_viaje;but anyway, no point in pre-discussing his. question stands as http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950585 for a reason and we see later.
1950677;1573557210;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-12 07:08:35 mp_en_viaje: what is "his clients" ?
1950678;1573557302;diana_coman;basically they still need some time to publish now what they didn't all this time and only then we can discuss in more detail really
1950679;1573557325;diana_coman;this is why I didn't mention it earlier really; because there are still some things to sort out first.
1950680;1573557440;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: re [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1949777][moving cs] I had a look in more detail at the situation there: there are 3k lines of autoconf script to start with; this looks for all sorts and takes care of various cases including differences (re where is what) between linux distros
1950681;1573557440;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-06 11:47:54 mircea_popescu: so i suppose this is the first actionable we unveil here : ima want an estimate on a) how long to divorce dev server from cs ; and b) how long to move client cs on cuntoo.
1950682;1573557487;mp_en_viaje;heck, if transition could be automated...
1950683;1573557489;diana_coman;and moreover, it checks to see which cs deps are available because part of issue with cs is that it doesn't even have a clear list of deps: it depends what plugins and what they want
1950684;1573557504;mp_en_viaje;oh nevermind, we switched to cs.
1950685;1573557521;mp_en_viaje;listen, most of that is ditch-able, because we have little intention to support open-ended "plugin" style architectures.
1950686;1573557549;mp_en_viaje;this was a horrifyingly bad idea of the "oject oriented" crowd, back in the late 90s.
1950687;1573557549;diana_coman;yes but where the fuck does one start from to figure out which parts are actually needed and how they interact?
1950688;1573557559;diana_coman;from cs code itself now or what?
1950689;1573557573;mp_en_viaje;myeah.
1950690;1573557616;mp_en_viaje;i don't imagine we'll be able to ditch autoconf in principle, until many years later, many years AFTER tmsr-os is a thing
1950691;1573557628;diana_coman;that sounds most likely, yes.
1950692;1573557707;diana_coman;the additional thing there being also that some of the deps are really system dependent at least so far so they'd need to be extracted (if possible!) as static libs themselves and bundled up and by the end of it I'll probably end up with tmsr-os I suppose.
1950693;1573558117;mp_en_viaje;i really don't currently see the payoff for putting work into making it static
1950694;1573558163;diana_coman;me neither tbh; so I'll move on then.
1950695;1573558169;mp_en_viaje;myeah.
1950696;1573559287;mircea_popescu;* pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu :is now your hidden host (set by services.) << fucken nonsense, i never noticed before tey fucked my name.
1950697;1573559393;mircea_popescu;!!invoice jfw 0.055 http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950571
1950698;1573559393;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-12 05:49:34 auctionbot: Sell order # 1063 has ENDED: selling items 1, 2 and 4 through 7 on http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/snsa_1_nov_2019.txt ; buyer to take possession at his own expense. SOLD to jfw for 55mn ecu. Attn: mp_en_viaje
1950699;1573559399;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=CWyk
1950700;1573561707;mircea_popescu;!!deed http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=XoyQ
1950701;1573561709;mircea_popescu;hanbot, ^
1950702;1573561713;deedbot;accepted: 1
1950703;1573565082;trinque;mk, "manage lobbes and spyked to make s.mg an OS" except don't do that at all, and also manalone bois and etc.
1950704;1573565161;mircea_popescu;where's the "don't do all that" ?
1950705;1573565486;hanbot;mircea_popescu huzzah, ty!
1950706;1573566680;mircea_popescu;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950636 << none of this is actually accurate. for one thing, it wasn't "manage lobbes and spyked to make s.mg an os". it was, "hey, you did some work towards something that's actually needed, namely ~a republican~ os, do you intend to continue or move on ?"
1950707;1573566680;mircea_popescu;as an aside, i very much dislike the ambiguous relationship to the republic, along the lines of "check out my son, he got 1st prize in drag racing" / "have you heard what your son's done, he got himself expelled!!!" traditional intramarital passive-agressive idiocy.
1950708;1573566680;mircea_popescu;what, it's only the republic when it pays, otherwise it's "mp's folly" or somesuch ? a lot less of this in the
1950709;1573566681;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-12 09:30:33 trinque: mk, "manage lobbes and spyked to make s.mg an OS" except don't do that at all, and also manalone bois and etc.
1950710;1573566684;mircea_popescu;sense of exactly none at all will work splendidly well, and alternatives ain't available.
1950711;1573566686;mircea_popescu;and as to the "bois etc" -- is very well fucking earned. the logs since http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1950066 ie a week ago are sorely missing a "trinque: yeah, I WILL DO THAT". or an equally clear, "no, i won't do that". this is what separates the bois from the men : FIRM committments.
1950712;1573566686;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-06 23:32:29 mircea_popescu: trinque, suppose spyked's game, and what you have to do is run the two fellows + whatever we can meaningfully accrete through the tmsr-ization of cuntoo.
1950713;1573566690;mircea_popescu;half-ass commitments, plausibly-deniable commitments & the whole charade of alfisms are no longer something i will accept -- for the sore experience of how poorly it works when i do accept them.
1950714;1573566693;mircea_popescu;so try and get off your nonsense horse for the like third time this year, learn how to meaningfully communicate AND DO IT, we might have something here. but in any case the something we will have will NOT be linear extension of the alf shit. i ain't ever again doing anything like that.
1950715;1573566697;mircea_popescu;so no, i won't sign off on these (or any other) guys' waste of time over random nonsense. because the thing that comes immediately after a putative "yes mp, ima do that then" is "make a plan, i want to read this thing", not "you lot, go do what he says". hence http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1950068
1950716;1573566698;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-06 23:47:13 mircea_popescu: suppose you talk to both fellas here about the thing, i wanna follow along
1950717;1573566701;mircea_popescu;which, incidentally, [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1950069][you agreed with then] --
1950718;1573566701;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-06 23:48:38 trinque: totally fine by me
1950719;1573566703;mircea_popescu;and [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-11#1950552][promptly shat] on your agreement immediately thereafter.
1950720;1573566703;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-11 20:26:06 trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-11#1950494 << this one's an experiment, not ready for public use, but feel free to discuss with me in #trinque
1950721;1573566856;mircea_popescu;da fuck's next, mod6 's patented "let's pass a gpg'd tarball back and forth" ?
1950722;1573566870;mircea_popescu;the point of the republic is for you to look at how stupid you are AND STOP BEING IT.
1950723;1573566925;mircea_popescu;the republic can't be used in ANY OTHER WAY. eminently, it CAN NOT be used as ANY KIND of "how to stay stupid" guide. nor will this fundamental inadherence ever be capable of being turned around, "oh, mp is a meaniehead, stupidity is where it's at". nor ANYTHING other than the intended fucking purpose.
1950724;1573567375;diana_coman;in other lolz, I contacted yet another local dc and the guy went to read my blog so I pointed him to [http://ossasepia.com/2019/10/24/a-gulp-of-filthy-isp-waters/][the rundown] on it; rather curious now what'll he do, lolz.
1950725;1573567622;mircea_popescu;should be interesting
1950726;1573587439;feedbot;http://bimbo.club/2019/11/why-everyone-hates-fetlife/ << Bimbo Club -- Why everyone hates fetlife
1950727;1573588258;jfw;Hello mircea_popescu, I'm here from http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950592
1950728;1573588259;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-12 07:09:11 mp_en_viaje: aite, send him over when he wakes, we continue this convo.
1950729;1573591704;mircea_popescu;jfw, hey
1950730;1573591797;jfw;howdy
1950731;1573591844;mircea_popescu;so, what's this gales thing ?
1950732;1573591898;jfw;It's a Linux distro I put together, in a couple stages, based on gcc 4.7, musl, busybox userland, exclusively static linking
1950733;1573591954;mircea_popescu;and so what's this customers ?
1950734;1573592024;jfw;dorion and I have a few consulting clients that are learning linux/unix for the first time. We use the distribution ourselves for niches it's able to fill, and we considered it a good learning environment due to avoiding various complexities
1950735;1573592042;mircea_popescu;so it's basically a training tool, as far as that goes, a didactic example
1950736;1573592079;dorion;mircea_popescu I'm present as well, able to fill in where needed.
1950737;1573592083;mircea_popescu;hey there.
1950738;1573592087;jfw;I've found it quite usable for things like trb node, airgapped gpg machine, basic VPS (though no LAMP stack presently)
1950739;1573592116;mircea_popescu;so how do you go about driver support ?
1950740;1573592117;jfw;so, was not originally intended as training tool I think is what I'm saying.
1950741;1573592158;jfw;I've manually done a linux kconfig, as one might on gentoo w/o genkernel
1950742;1573592165;jfw;that kinda driver?
1950743;1573592189;mircea_popescu;traditionally the problem with private distros is that one day someone tries to install int on some new hardware mix-and-match and it dun go
1950744;1573592213;jfw;indeed, we've been restrictive about hardware so far
1950745;1573592224;mircea_popescu;this is what i'm asking, what's the extension process like
1950746;1573592265;jfw;tweaking the 'menuconfig' is what that would look like as far as kernel components
1950747;1573592292;mircea_popescu;so you basically just import w/e drivers redhat or w/e is using ?
1950748;1573592337;jfw;Using stock kernel.org kernel, but sure there's RedHat code in there
1950749;1573592380;mircea_popescu;so as a purely theoretical exericse, what'd gaining x support entail iyo ?
1950750;1573592445;dorion;mircea_popescu we've been using kernel 4.9.95, which is what bvt genesis'd.
1950751;1573592446;jfw;I've built a basic X stack (no 3d accel) on dynamic-linked musl, the biggest uncertainty to me there is whether it'll work static since it's module-oriented
1950752;1573592457;mircea_popescu;dorion, for that reason, or coincidentally ?
1950753;1573592467;mircea_popescu;jfw, i am talking about 3d acceleration specifically.
1950754;1573592477;dorion;coincidentally
1950755;1573592493;mircea_popescu;dorion, interesting how these coincidences work out!
1950756;1573592494;jfw;With proprietary drivers like nvidia?
1950757;1573592504;mircea_popescu;exactly.
1950758;1573592525;jfw;I expect that'd be quite difficult, its libGL is a glibc-based .so
1950759;1573592573;mircea_popescu;but the q is, how would it go
1950760;1573592598;jfw;not sure I follow
1950761;1573592625;mircea_popescu;do i have to throw out gales if i decide to use graphics as a given necessity or don't i
1950762;1573592667;jfw;far as I know you would
1950763;1573592680;mircea_popescu;let me make a comparison here to illuminate.
1950764;1573592707;mircea_popescu;so, someone says, "i want companionship in my life". this is the general problem.
1950765;1573592726;mircea_popescu;man 1 comes and says, "hi, i have a solution to this. i call it 'dog'. it's very companionable."
1950766;1573592742;mircea_popescu;"well... but is it loyal ?" quite very loyal. "how about having children ? i think i want chilndren too".
1950767;1573592753;mircea_popescu;you can't have children with a dog, it is necessarily out of the question.
1950768;1573592772;mircea_popescu;man 2 comes and says "hullo... i have anothe rsolution. i call it 'a virgin'. she's a bitch to get along with, but..."
1950769;1573592792;mircea_popescu;"well... is it loyal ?" not really. "how about having children ?" actually, i think she might be already pregnant.
1950770;1573592804;jfw;lol!
1950771;1573592826;mircea_popescu;in case 1, you know for a fact it won't be possible to have gfx with your thing, it has to be thrown out / redone / the thing that can do gfx can't carry the same name as your thing meaningfully.
1950772;1573592832;mircea_popescu;in case 2, you don't know such for a fact.
1950773;1573592836;mircea_popescu;now, which is it. 1 or 2 ?
1950774;1573592965;jfw;I would think it's 1, as perhaps the driver could be made to work with massive compatibility layers but then the distro wouldn't look much like it does now.
1950775;1573592992;mircea_popescu;so this'd basically be a server thing, by its nature, rather than a general purpose os
1950776;1573593006;mircea_popescu;isn't it awkward to not have lamp ready in that context ?
1950777;1573593066;jfw;Yes, well server or other text-only usage. It is awkward.
1950778;1573593078;mircea_popescu;so are you working on getting lamp for it ?
1950779;1573593156;jfw;Not as yet; first priority was to make it public, see if there was any interest
1950780;1573593168;mircea_popescu;is it public now ?
1950781;1573593177;jfw;no
1950782;1573593184;mircea_popescu;how long has it been a thing at all ?
1950783;1573593225;jfw;since 2017
1950784;1573593251;mircea_popescu;so when you say customers or w/e, is this more of a manner of speaking ?
1950785;1573593320;jfw;they've paid, and I've delivered code. It's not public in the sense of not published on web
1950786;1573593344;mircea_popescu;but is this a registered corp ? or some kind of informal arrangement among friends ?
1950787;1573593389;jfw;more informal
1950788;1573593436;mircea_popescu;and so the customers who've paid and you've delivered code to, were they basically doing what's caled it consulting in the us, ie, outsourced desk jockey to skimp on the pension & benefits plan ? do they think they own the code you've delivered, for instance ?
1950789;1573593494;jfw;as I understand V, he who operates the computer owns the code
1950790;1573593517;mircea_popescu;what, you delviered to said customers a bundle of v-patches /
1950791;1573593519;mircea_popescu;?
1950792;1573593540;jfw;source tarballs, though there's a TRB too.
1950793;1573593552;mircea_popescu;so then what's v to do with anything
1950794;1573593564;mircea_popescu;i asked you if ~they think~ they own the code, not if god does.
1950795;1573593604;jfw;I see. They don't know enough about the code to meaningfully own it, and afaik they know this.
1950796;1573593647;mircea_popescu;it's not an idle question on my part. there's actually reflected in the very history of the republic as logged, the case of some dude showing up years later to push ridoinculous claims. look for grubbles sometime.
1950797;1573593673;mircea_popescu;so you know, come 2025, is there some durbles gonna show up "oh, gales was really developed by outside help for my corp!!!"
1950798;1573593754;jfw;dorion, do you recall if this is possible based on what we wrote in the consulting agreement?
1950799;1573593807;dorion;mircea_popescu at this point, we have high trust with those it's been shared with. we're young hands in part because we're unclear about to properly approach such problems.
1950800;1573593816;jfw;people can claim things, but the facts as I understand them are that I developed the system on my own, and they did not purchase any ownership in it.
1950801;1573593852;mircea_popescu;dorion, yes, well, i'm not young hands ; and i'll tell you what anyone in a similar position will tell you : code made to oder and not published is generally suspect of being, at least in the view of some party somewhere, their property.
1950802;1573593875;mircea_popescu;not that this generally does anything. but it's also never a bad idea to be plain with people.
1950803;1573593879;mircea_popescu;meanwhile : you ever looked at the cuntoo thing ?
1950804;1573593891;jfw;ty mircea_popescu, underscores the importance of getting it published.
1950805;1573593937;jfw;I looked over trinque's blog posts about it but have not looked inside.
1950806;1573593943;mircea_popescu;how come ?
1950807;1573593989;jfw;well, I already had my thing working and thought myself to have other priorities
1950808;1573594017;jfw;which was all upside-down because showing up here should have been first.
1950809;1573594022;mircea_popescu;counting ave1 s putative item, this promises to be three not-quite-usable, not-so-published identical reworks of the same damned thing.
1950810;1573594028;mircea_popescu;this strikes no one else as eminently wasteful ?
1950811;1573594061;jfw;it strikes me as wasteful.
1950812;1573594076;dorion;mircea_popescu point taken, thank you. jfw reviewing the contract, Gales Linux is described as your original software, but I don't know the legal standing of that claim.
1950813;1573594104;mircea_popescu;if there's one million engineer bois out there, and if the destiny of an engineer boi is to make an os, worth 100k man-hours, and if they never talk to each other, the result will be 7-800k empty boxes containing no os, but three to four figure wasted hours.
1950814;1573594106;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: myeah; the reason for my earlier [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950564][focused & coordinated effort] wish.
1950815;1573594107;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-12 03:51:20 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-11#1950551 - is this going to diverge then ie there's cuntoo and then there's infectious linux and something else or what? I'm rather confused now as to directions; for that matter and for the forum, there's in principle also jfw's [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-05#1008851][Gales distro] if we are at that; I'd rather see the effort focused and coordin
1950816;1573594109;mircea_popescu;it's literally a recipe for nothingness.
1950817;1573594147;mircea_popescu;kinda why i don't give the first flying fuck how many retard bois "get upset" or whatever, the demons/voices/their mom tells them to choke on chodes.
1950818;1573594174;mircea_popescu;if 1% of 1% of the million can be convinced to be fucking sane, that's already enough people to finish the damn thing already.
1950819;1573594240;jfw;I don't dispute, and am here to work towards sanity & killing stupidity.
1950820;1573594259;dorion;likewise.
1950821;1573594261;mircea_popescu;so what is your commitment towards this thing ? kinda like a fun weekend project, or what is it ?
1950822;1573594376;jfw;I've committed fully to diana_coman's mentorship, a big part of which is because I want to be useful in the republic generally.
1950823;1573594396;mircea_popescu;how long have you two known each other ? with dorion i mean ?
1950824;1573594406;jfw;since 2014
1950825;1573594415;dorion;january 2014
1950826;1573594477;mircea_popescu;well, so would an arrangement whereby you work with other people to develop a workable tmsr os work for you then ?
1950827;1573594594;jfw;My understanding from earlier cuntoo thread is someone needs to step up to *own* the project; to be clear, I doubt I'd be prepared for such a thing right now, but yes it works for me to work with other people.
1950828;1573594615;mircea_popescu;i'm trying to work something out re both ownership and manpower.
1950829;1573594625;mircea_popescu;i wasn't considering either one of you for the former
1950830;1573594810;jfw;good then. Is there a particular level of time commitment you're looking for on the OS project as far as manpower?
1950831;1573594826;mircea_popescu;i was rather gonna ask what you feel comfortable with on the mid term
1950832;1573594948;mircea_popescu;dorion, is your interest rather in the pm side of things ? or are you tryina learn how to code as well ?
1950833;1573594986;jfw;my schedule seems pretty packed at least through the end of 2019, perhaps at that point I could make something like 20 hours per week, will have to consider
1950834;1573594998;mircea_popescu;well, consider and let me know.
1950835;1573595001;mircea_popescu;did i leave anything out ?
1950836;1573595101;jfw;mircea_popescu: nothing coming to mind.
1950837;1573595174;dorion;mircea_popescu I think my strength at present it more on the pm side and communicating to non-technical people why they should take interest in sane computing. Part of my role has been bring people for jfw to teach. With that being said, I am interested in improving my technical skills.
1950838;1573595231;mircea_popescu;i think either line can be pursued, either we attach you to whoever's in charge as an administrative trainee or else you get piecemeal tasks on the tech side.
1950839;1573595311;dorion;right now I'd take the former because I think I'd be more useful in a shorter period of time.
1950840;1573595319;mircea_popescu;there;s oodlebunches of work in a large project that don't involve scrutinizing arcana
1950841;1573595330;mircea_popescu;aite.
1950842;1573595363;mircea_popescu;lobbes, how long till i get to testrun that delivery!!! i'm leaving for the orient in a few weeks you realise!
1950843;1573595373;mircea_popescu;and after that -- is this something that appeals ?
1950844;1573595380;dorion;mircea_popescu thank you.
1950845;1573595391;jfw;I do think that would play more to dorion's strengths & interests though I've certainly appreciated his efforts in learning tech
1950846;1573595398;mircea_popescu;spyked, what sorta time could you commit on a weekly basis, if this tmsr os megaproject actually gets going ?
1950847;1573595401;mircea_popescu;dorion, my pleasuee
1950848;1573595422;dorion;thanks jfw.
1950849;1573595423;mircea_popescu;jfw, hey, it's a free slavery thing, people can do their own part
1950850;1573595451;mircea_popescu;i'm not about to shoehorn him into the wrong hole if i can help it
1950851;1573595465;jfw;hehe. thanks for the time & feedback
1950852;1573595487;mircea_popescu;and both ave1 an' trinque have qs pending, so that completes tonight's session.
1950853;1573595507;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, if worst comes to worst i guess ima have you manage this for 'em.
1950854;1573595519;diana_coman;noted.
1950855;1573595579;diana_coman;fwiw I wouldn't shoehorn anyone into more tech; maybe the opposite, if anything.
1950856;1573595603;mircea_popescu;only as a temporary measure if anything. help them build a solid basis upon which to properly disdain the engineers.
1950857;1573595641;diana_coman;I can see that angle, yes.
1950858;1573595671;mircea_popescu;otherwise there's significant risk of taking the maniacs at their word.
1950859;1573595690;diana_coman;there is actually even worse, an initial "reverence" , ugh
1950860;1573595745;diana_coman;at times further fed by the sort of despicable "muh secretz" expert, ugh.
1950861;1573595788;lobbes;mircea_popescu: how would you like to testrun? If you just want to play with the demo connected to my testblog, I can simply bring the bot into #t sometime tonight
1950862;1573595843;lobbes;re tmsr os, so it seems we have manpower waiting to commit; just need someone to commit to ownership
1950863;1573595876;diana_coman;bwahaha that "just need"
1950864;1573596117;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu jfw dorion diana_coman lobbes: thank you for the clean, clear, logs
1950865;1573596146;*;diana_coman waves at BingoBoingo
1950866;1573596191;mircea_popescu;bvt, once done fixing the kernel rng, you wana join in this fray by the way ?
1950867;1573596233;mircea_popescu;lobbes, well, i dunno, how do you intend to deliver ?
1950868;1573596391;mircea_popescu;conceivablt mocky also shows up, we have a great ole party.
1950869;1573596394;lobbes;mircea_popescu: well, I was under the assumption you'd get a box with a trilema copy, and then I'd stand up bot on said box
1950870;1573596404;lobbes;but I'm open to suggestions
1950871;1573596423;mircea_popescu;ah, so is the ball in my court, am i to get the box ?
1950872;1573596454;diana_coman;it's ok, "we have" the manpower waiting to commit there and all it takes is just someone to commit to ownership.
1950873;1573596472;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, hm ?
1950874;1573596504;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: he seems to just need someone to commit to ownership of the thing he did, lolz
1950875;1573596519;mircea_popescu;lol nah
1950876;1573596524;mircea_popescu;it was the orig spec
1950877;1573596537;diana_coman;I'm just applying his previous great-sentence since it's such a catch-all, lolz.
1950878;1573596600;lobbes;mircea_popescu: I'm good to begin installation if you do get box. I'm still looking into getting proper "echo of blog lines" created, but the rest of the bot is ready
1950879;1573596735;mircea_popescu;ok. as a preliminary step, ima publish old logs on trilema, so they're in the db, so they get transferred automatically.
1950880;1573596740;mircea_popescu;now, when should i stop iyo ?
1950881;1573596749;mircea_popescu;what date, i mean
1950882;1573596837;lobbes;well, I mean the 'new' logs wouldn't start until bot is live anyways.
1950883;1573596852;mircea_popescu;you're not importing your current log ?
1950884;1573596871;mircea_popescu;you hafta, i mean... i haven't been keeping local logs since travelling etc.
1950885;1573596901;lobbes;ah gotcha, okay in that case I'll need to create some log converter
1950886;1573596918;mircea_popescu;converting between what and what ?!
1950887;1573596929;lobbes;well, my logs to the mysql db
1950888;1573596931;mircea_popescu;you ~do~ have the log atm on display no ?
1950889;1573596950;mircea_popescu;yes but how is the bot gonna post going forward ? you already have that converter don't you ?!
1950890;1573596951;lobbes;yeah, I have my logger, which goes back to (/me goes to check)
1950891;1573596984;lobbes;it posts the raw IRC lines to the blog article as it sees them, yes
1950892;1573597042;mircea_popescu;i thought we had a discussion re formats at some point, was gonna bold names and whatnot. was it in my dreams ?
1950893;1573597128;lobbes;no that is functional e.g. http://blog.ericbenevides.com/2019/11/trilema-lobbes-log-for-2019-11-10/
1950894;1573597145;mircea_popescu;right.
1950895;1573597178;lobbes;what I mean, is that output takes input directly from IRC and then does the formatting. Not like it is reading local logs I have saved
1950896;1573597196;mircea_popescu;but what is the difference lol
1950897;1573597202;lobbes;so yeah, not much work but I just need to tweak the 'conversion'
1950898;1573597209;mircea_popescu;and also... fuck. no timestamp at all, i actually came up with thsi shit ?
1950899;1573597210;lobbes;small difference ! : P
1950900;1573597228;lobbes;yeah, no timestamps in orig spec iirc
1950901;1573597238;mircea_popescu;this is stupid, if mp-wp becomes the de facto platform we'll be stuck with timeless logs. ;/
1950902;1573597246;lobbes;but I don't mind adding if you want. This is your thing afterall
1950903;1573597274;mircea_popescu;[hh:mm] prefix plox ?
1950904;1573597280;lobbes;you got it
1950905;1573597291;mircea_popescu;i don't think seconds are meaningful, irc is not resolvable to a second resolution anyway
1950906;1573597303;lobbes;oh oh , you DID add the hourly delimiters tho
1950907;1573597312;mircea_popescu;those i want kept
1950908;1573597315;lobbes;as seen in http://blog.ericbenevides.com/2019/11/trilema-lobbes-log-for-2019-11-07/
1950909;1573597316;lobbes;okay
1950910;1573597325;mircea_popescu;also, [hh:mm] plox. light colored
1950911;1573597331;lobbes;roger that
1950912;1573597362;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/11/mexican-military-plane-carrying-evo-morales-diverted-to-paraguay-after-peru-and-others-closed-airspace/ << Qntra -- Mexican Military Plane Carrying Evo Morales Diverted To Paraguay After Peru And Others Closed Airspace
1950913;1573597365;mircea_popescu;exciting
1950914;1573597368;mircea_popescu;this is really shaping up!
1950915;1573597419;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo, lol, gonna take him an interview ?
1950916;1573597492;lobbes;Alrighty, good meeting. I've my takeaways of things to knock out. Will keep mircea_popescu apprised
1950917;1573597514;mircea_popescu;cool. the only thing is... i'd like a distant server. where do you currently host ?
1950918;1573597584;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: He already became a Northern Hemisphere problem. Also landed in the other hotter, drier (zebu cattle) guay.
1950919;1573597602;mircea_popescu;ah
1950920;1573597656;BingoBoingo;If he was headed this way, Mexican embassy is close but he probably would have just stopped for asylumn here until at least March when the new government swears in
1950921;1573597663;mircea_popescu;lol
1950922;1573597679;lobbes;mircea_popescu, I'm currently using [http://www.krankendenken.com/2019/08/how-colocation-america-almost-lost-my-business-but-saved-themselves-in-the-end-for-now-at-least/][colocation america] but the jury is still out on them imo. They are very responsive and accommodating, but I'm only renting a server from them (have not tried actual colocation)
1950923;1573597705;mircea_popescu;mind renting one for trilema.org ?
1950924;1573597708;mircea_popescu;ima pay of course
1950925;1573597771;lobbes;mircea_popescu: I can't see any reasons why not. Sure thing. I'll reach out to them
1950926;1573597776;mircea_popescu;ty.
1950927;1573597789;mircea_popescu;not like you're not gonna be stuck maintaing this forever anyway, so... migh as well :D
1950928;1573597938;*;BingoBoingo can't recall a single log day with this much signal and so little noise
1950929;1573597949;mircea_popescu;pretty good day!
1950930;1573598255;mircea_popescu;lobbes, so, to be practical here : put the log you have through the works, then we can see ot ?
1950931;1573598832;lobbes;mircea_popescu: ok, is just putting it on my testblog for now acceptable?
1950932;1573598890;mircea_popescu;yuppers
1950933;1573598960;lobbes;kk, that'll be the next item I tackle then
1950934;1573598964;mircea_popescu;works!
1950935;1573600698;BingoBoingo;Aite, bunch deedbot transactions coming through!
1950936;1573600716;BingoBoingo;!!pay jurov 1
1950937;1573600722;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=azVr
1950938;1573600759;BingoBoingo;!!v A1E63C0254EB4673269DDB14077AF5BAB6A0D2D2E4393C8ACDF6000FC551E403
1950939;1573600762;deedbot;BingoBoingo paid jurov 1
1950940;1573600776;BingoBoingo;!!pay mircea_popescu 0.9
1950941;1573600780;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=Cz26
1950942;1573600797;mircea_popescu;sweet
1950943;1573600810;BingoBoingo;!!v 0E74CD863EADBE376B0DF82324C514D7FB897E0B9B4FFA571365C62877FE63FE
1950944;1573600814;deedbot;BingoBoingo paid mircea_popescu 0.9
1950945;1573600831;BingoBoingo;!!pay mircea_popescu 0.31271724
1950946;1573600837;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=mw5V
1950947;1573600885;BingoBoingo;!!v 7DE2944FC8C71AD902EF66A75BB5351839C004E0EC148A58DA6770DE77FB85AF
1950948;1573600889;deedbot;BingoBoingo paid mircea_popescu 0.31271724
1950949;1573600905;BingoBoingo;!!pay mircea_popescu 0.0072
1950950;1573600934;BingoBoingo;^ for Bimbo.club hosting
1950951;1573600958;mircea_popescu;a nice
1950952;1573600981;BingoBoingo;whenever deedbot bakes the response...
1950953;1573601037;BingoBoingo;!!pay mircea_popescu 0.0072
1950954;1573601043;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=dSSW
1950955;1573601077;BingoBoingo;!!v C486F2DD003B5208409BE9BCFB839F4B192C700D348077C65F38685A6D559BBC
1950956;1573601082;deedbot;BingoBoingo paid mircea_popescu 0.0072
1950957;1573601100;BingoBoingo;!!pay billymg 0.00629142
1950958;1573601105;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=mFVT
1950959;1573601145;BingoBoingo;!!v FF3A4C24BE08CABFA72AE36A88698B517A0D971DA68510CE50AD027F635CDA7A
1950960;1573601148;deedbot;BingoBoingo paid billymg 0.00629142
1950961;1573601175;BingoBoingo;!!pay mod6 0.11319466
1950962;1573601181;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=OsTS
1950963;1573601215;BingoBoingo;!!v 4A2F70ED9A16AD710574EE5A220938731C101EDCDACE6EF7F8702D29CE42D057
1950964;1573601218;deedbot;BingoBoingo paid mod6 0.11319466
1950965;1573601240;BingoBoingo;!!pay mats 0.0144
1950966;1573601244;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=K0ot
1950967;1573601274;BingoBoingo;!!v 27A5DAFCB2082AB824EF2C9AA6EF04FAD3BCC028ABB4610F57B950E1A9407077
1950968;1573601277;deedbot;BingoBoingo paid mats 0.0144
1950969;1573601294;BingoBoingo;!!pay lobbes 0.00964994
1950970;1573601300;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=D9NV
1950971;1573601333;BingoBoingo;!!v 1372070B7E0792CA81E7957E4F22737C278FEEE55C668727C9B6CF4C23D52D2D
1950972;1573601336;deedbot;BingoBoingo paid lobbes 0.00964994
1950973;1573601372;BingoBoingo;!!pay diana_coman 0.10491609
1950974;1573601377;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=SPCZ
1950975;1573601407;BingoBoingo;!!v B2D07EEEA73E10D2ECB97F4D5D22AD1710D19E44BEE7035EDB93BB075DAF51A6
1950976;1573601462;BingoBoingo;!!pay dorion 0.01066642
1950977;1573601467;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=xOl-
1950978;1573601514;BingoBoingo;!!v 1897FA44F14713ECC414C3A1282A4D27924BB183F0D4D437B57A3C8589377D39
1950979;1573601518;deedbot;BingoBoingo paid dorion 0.01066642
1950980;1573601557;BingoBoingo;!!pay Mocky 0.0072
1950981;1573601563;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=v3y_
1950982;1573601593;BingoBoingo;!!v 52CBF83585C07B99F1638E3B547715239673F19CDCFA1F2248329E63A477A1E3
1950983;1573601596;deedbot;BingoBoingo paid Mocky 0.0072
1950984;1573601606;BingoBoingo;!!pay cruciform 0.0072
1950985;1573601611;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=N0hA
1950986;1573601642;BingoBoingo;!!v F2865A8BE12B154DC628E5340B147D65D48555BBF67A394EA5E5DBF637E1D048
1950987;1573601645;deedbot;BingoBoingo paid cruciform 0.0072
1950988;1573601667;BingoBoingo;!!pay PeterL 0.0126
1950989;1573601673;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=NNYe
1950990;1573601702;BingoBoingo;!!v FCB6C3BF71DA7B97BD11F24F6EE3130A1B48ADA34787EAFBD06A68D15B790F16
1950991;1573601705;deedbot;BingoBoingo paid PeterL 0.0126
1950992;1573601714;BingoBoingo;!!pay Thimbronion 0.0198
1950993;1573601758;BingoBoingo;!!pay Thimbronion 0.0198
1950994;1573601762;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=EOY5
1950995;1573601799;BingoBoingo;!!v C6ED6C000F9120988018B6DD4562288BF4A16315307C99F6D4DC737FE3222B8C
1950996;1573601803;deedbot;BingoBoingo paid Thimbronion 0.0198
1950997;1573601812;BingoBoingo;!!pay whaack 0.0108
1950998;1573601818;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=o7Yu
1950999;1573601864;BingoBoingo;!!v 3A9EAAF7B26132A92029BF33278474BFC0314ABAEBA9AC4CDC0CA9B57DB78439
1951000;1573601867;deedbot;BingoBoingo paid whaack 0.0108
1951001;1573601879;BingoBoingo;!!pay danielpbarron 0.0126
1951002;1573601883;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=6LEU
1951003;1573601920;BingoBoingo;!!v 8073F56EF1BD0834545CC17FFF365EEA659693C2F989DB53E8E7A9B08E185CE1
1951004;1573601923;deedbot;BingoBoingo paid danielpbarron 0.0126
1951005;1573601931;BingoBoingo;!!ledger
1951006;1573601936;deedbot;http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=iT0M
1951007;1573602036;BingoBoingo;!!v B2D07EEEA73E10D2ECB97F4D5D22AD1710D19E44BEE7035EDB93BB075DAF51A6
1951008;1573602040;deedbot;BingoBoingo paid diana_coman 0.10491609
1951009;1573602278;BingoBoingo;^ This should cover the debts and customer equity. This leaves the auction completion and shareholder equity following from that on the to do list.
1951010;1573602329;BingoBoingo;Unless more claimants come forward by 23:59:59 UTC, November 30th, 2019
1951011;1573606732;feedbot;http://thewhet.net/2019/11/central-european-retrospective-frague/ << The Whet -- Central European Retrospective: Frague
1951012;1573606747;trinque;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950579 << what exactly do you think that word means?
1951013;1573606748;snsabot;Logged on 2019-11-12 10:51:30 diana_coman: fwiw my take so far is that trinque wants to provide consultancy at most.
1951014;1573606762;trinque;and why are you soviets so damned allergic to structuring things *like a business*
1951015;1573606780;mircea_popescu;if you're asking me, i think it means willing to do work at arm's length.
1951016;1573606820;mircea_popescu;and i dunno what the gap is! make it plain, what is it, what's the difference between whatever this is and whatever a business'd be, an' pinpoint the allergy neh ?
1951017;1573606947;trinque;I came in offering to mentor both lobbes and spyked in starting a business, and this is "omg, faggot, do actual work" ?
1951018;1573606975;trinque;and yes, I'm not doing the monastic thing. I went on about this ad nauseum with much rustling of jimmies.
1951019;1573607024;mircea_popescu;i don't think we're talking on the same basis here. i dunno how your "omg, faggot, do actual work" maps on the actual occurence.
1951020;1573607048;trinque;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950644 << the THAT is ill defined.
1951021;1573607048;snsabot;Logged on 2019-11-12 13:51:42 mircea_popescu: and as to the "bois etc" -- is very well fucking earned. the logs since http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1950066 ie a week ago are sorely missing a "trinque: yeah, I WILL DO THAT". or an equally clear, "no, i won't do that". this is what separates the bois from the men : FIRM committments.
1951022;1573607049;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-06 23:32:29 mircea_popescu: trinque, suppose spyked's game, and what you have to do is run the two fellows + whatever we can meaningfully accrete through the tmsr-ization of cuntoo.
1951023;1573607053;mircea_popescu; dunno how "much rustling of jimmie" maps on historical account.
1951024;1573607067;trinque;the last thing I said on teh subj is for those two gents to interview their potential customer and find out what they want, and report it to me
1951025;1573607068;mircea_popescu;trinque, so where did you say "i will do that" ?
1951026;1573607076;mircea_popescu;link ?
1951027;1573607201;trinque;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-11#1950544 << here and down, and they agreed, and I have not heard from them in #trinque , is where we stand.
1951028;1573607201;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-11 20:22:50 trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-08#1950231 << since I've got the botwork already in flight on my end, what do you say you and lobbes tackle making cuntoo into a usable item for mp_en_viaje and diana_coman ?
1951029;1573607209;mircea_popescu;anyways. all jobs are perpetually ill defined. that's why they need doing. if they were well defined they also would have been done, past tense.
1951030;1573607244;trinque;yes but they don't remain ill defined, lest years be spent toiling in the wrong direction, or circles.
1951031;1573607252;trinque;I am not a lazy man.
1951032;1573607258;mircea_popescu;trinque, there's large gaps between what's actually said and what you construe what's said to mean on the uptake ; and there's similarily large gaps between what you actually say and what you expect it to be taken as, on the rebound.
1951033;1573607286;mircea_popescu;i dun think you're a lazy man. currently i think you grew up in a house with a lot of door slamming as a rhetorical device, but that's really neither here nor there.
1951034;1573607429;mircea_popescu;now, as to the putative customer approach : i dun specifically want to make a new os for every single app we come up with. i'd like to make one and be done with it, such that minigame can use it, trb can use it, everyone can fucking use it.
1951035;1573607507;trinque;I didn't say sell the OS.
1951036;1573607525;mircea_popescu;well so take a minute and say what you meant to say.
1951037;1573607528;trinque;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950667 << this dude is literally taking the approach I'm prescribing.
1951038;1573607528;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-12 16:59:38 jfw: dorion and I have a few consulting clients that are learning linux/unix for the first time. We use the distribution ourselves for niches it's able to fill, and we considered it a good learning environment due to avoiding various complexities
1951039;1573607536;mircea_popescu;explicity an' at its own length
1951040;1573607682;trinque;heh, where's the quote where you say if you're worth a shit, being poor just kinda brushes off.
1951041;1573607697;mircea_popescu;i dunno, like half of trilema
1951042;1573607910;trinque;it is hard from where I sit to reconcile this "the work must be done whatever the cost" with any sense of survivability. so one says either the latter doesn't matter, or one's to fill that gap himself.
1951043;1573607927;trinque;if it doesn't matter, one needs less self-involved shits than myself.
1951044;1573607939;mircea_popescu;or one could just you know, chip at it and signal with others to help.
1951045;1573607945;trinque;if it does, I'm gonna keep going "what the hell's the plan for money coming *in*"
1951046;1573608045;*;trinque 's last signal reads " diana_coman, pls to tell me what the hell you intend to do with this thing"
1951047;1573608065;mircea_popescu;oh it did ?!
1951048;1573608113;mircea_popescu;there's two portions current minigame strat needs from os. there's a server os, which has to be static-linkable. there's a client os, which has to be portable and support gfx.
1951049;1573608122;mircea_popescu;ideally these share as much of a trunk as possible.
1951050;1573608274;trinque;obviously the latter is the ratfuck, multiplied if ya don't specify hardware.
1951051;1573608280;trinque;I'm not saying you should, just pointing at it
1951052;1573608285;mircea_popescu;well, "portable", aka everything
1951053;1573608294;mircea_popescu;but, yes.
1951054;1573608362;trinque;considered statically compiling the whole game, and letting the kids run wherever, or not desirable?
1951055;1573608376;mircea_popescu;statically compiling graphic stack is currently impossible.
1951056;1573608436;mircea_popescu;it's actually the broken glass we're trying to extract through all this process.
1951057;1573608514;trinque;yep, just enumerating. what about bundling the necessary libs alongside. afaik this is what steam does, static linking for idiots
1951058;1573608527;mircea_popescu;steam does not work.
1951059;1573608541;mircea_popescu;i don't even mean this in any kind of theoretical sense, i've been testing it.
1951060;1573608545;mircea_popescu;it's a crapshoot.
1951061;1573608562;mircea_popescu;it will half the time "upgrade" itself into unrecoverable broken state.
1951062;1573608594;mircea_popescu;ie, at any given moment some significant percentage of hw configs are unsupportable, and there's ~no way to predict which.
1951063;1573608623;trinque;I wasn't proposing using actual steam, but the approach, which probably would still suffer from what you say.
1951064;1573608649;mircea_popescu;if i knew of something giving a leg to stand on i'd push it, but atm got nothing there, so yeah
1951065;1573608773;trinque;who is the user?
1951066;1573608788;trinque;this is their first exposure to an adult operating system?
1951067;1573608802;mircea_popescu;well, vidya right
1951068;1573608821;trinque;so then oldschool boot cd, and you can play from it, and you can install if you want?
1951069;1573608828;mircea_popescu;the idea is to construct funel towards republic, so he needn't be dumb. but he might be new
1951070;1573608835;mircea_popescu;trinque, install ~on what~
1951071;1573608912;mircea_popescu;i have no problem with "Boot from it". but it hasta boot. which... is not trivial, given one wants to support 3d gfx.
1951072;1573608961;trinque;mhm, wads of firmware and drivers needed depending on gpu
1951073;1573608967;trinque;efi complicating the shit out of things these days
1951074;1573608988;mircea_popescu;and no static linkage in any case.
1951075;1573608991;trinque;taken to the sad extreme, one could argue to target the browser
1951076;1573609010;mircea_popescu;stupid idea. you just get more of the same crap.
1951077;1573609025;mircea_popescu;the notion browsers are portable is a lot like the notion women are whores.
1951078;1573609029;trinque;I'm just marking off the limits here
1951079;1573609029;mircea_popescu;~not if they can help it~
1951080;1573609191;trinque;so the target is a tower of some kind a sharp kid might have, or be able to build
1951081;1573609194;trinque;or maybe a laptop he has
1951082;1573609209;trinque;so this is nvidia, radeon, and intel drivers
1951083;1573609236;mircea_popescu;in fairness, game as it stands works fine w/o acceleration anyways. so it's a lot more portable in practice than the theoretical extension.
1951084;1573609237;trinque;walking through the list of firmware one needs for these isn't insurmountable. I've got a radeon box sitting here that runs cuntoo
1951085;1573609266;mircea_popescu;trinque, i agree ; it just needs the doing.
1951086;1573609298;trinque;I think it's beneficial to have the thing able to run as a livecd, with option to install.
1951087;1573609338;trinque;the cuntoo bootstrapper I produced was misery in that it either produced a booting drive, or fuck you peasant, learn moar.
1951088;1573609356;trinque;what is it that would even be persisted to the disk?
1951089;1573609377;trinque;gpg keys? assuming the kid gpgs on same machine
1951090;1573609426;mircea_popescu;lots would persist on the disk. keys, configs, and the data cache.
1951091;1573609429;mircea_popescu;potentially gbs
1951092;1573609459;trinque;k, so not much fun to be had in the livecd.
1951093;1573609466;trinque;meaning that you can't play in there, just install
1951094;1573609475;mircea_popescu;the idea is that the client runs on its own responsibility, asks server for all items it dun have.
1951095;1573609488;mircea_popescu;so it's a sort of perma-bootstrapper of the game
1951096;1573609852;trinque;k, so this is little else than creating a signed tarball of the cuntoo bootstrapper's output, and building a livecd/usb that can unpack that item onto a fresh system, bundled with some driver firmware and a try-all-modules kernel.
1951097;1573609880;trinque;this I am willing to actively manage spyked and lobbes to produce, if they will. others also may apply.
1951098;1573609886;mircea_popescu;not necessarily. a dvd is what, coupla gb. a recent client could just pack its data disk there.
1951099;1573609896;mircea_popescu;if you want newer gfx, install and remake dvd
1951100;1573609901;mircea_popescu;if you don't care, play from dvd
1951101;1573609963;trinque;if that's possible, it opens up kids throwing the thing into w/e school computer, like we used to do with quake back in the day.
1951102;1573609969;mircea_popescu;sure.
1951103;1573609976;trinque;same image in both cases, just one's readonly root
1951104;1573609980;mircea_popescu;i don't see why it wouldn't be possible. doesn't work atm, but yes.
1951105;1573610022;trinque;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-11#1950552 << this ftr was not some kind of alfian goalpost-moving.
1951106;1573610022;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-11 20:26:06 trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-11#1950494 << this one's an experiment, not ready for public use, but feel free to discuss with me in #trinque
1951107;1573610036;mircea_popescu;oh ? cuz it sounded just like it
1951108;1573610040;trinque;I am working on that other item, and I was telling the guys *not* to worry about it for now.
1951109;1573610050;trinque;it doesn't supplant using gentoo any time soon.
1951110;1573610075;trinque;it's a derivative of something I've used in embedded machines for a long time, and I'm seeing if it can be made into an adult OS
1951111;1573610086;mircea_popescu;aite
1951112;1573610087;trinque;if so, it'll have human-sized readable patches for every item running.
1951113;1573610096;trinque;but it's just not further than speculative, and I don't want people chasing after it
1951114;1573610113;trinque;also fuck not acting because tomorrow there'll be even better icecream
1951115;1573610120;mircea_popescu;yes, well, with all that context a whole different thing!
1951116;1573611248;trinque;lobbes and/or spyked: you around?
1951117;1573611383;trinque;I'd like to approach this in phases, documentation preceding every phase's work product.
1951118;1573611443;trinque;I'd like to chat before any of this, and come to an agreement on how we work together
1951119;1573611525;trinque;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-11#1950546 << this stands, and what I meant wasn't the bastardized american version, where you feed the client shit til he notices.
1951120;1573611526;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-11 20:24:11 trinque: I'm thinking you and he could turn this into a proper consulting gig if they like what you produce, and I'm happy to manage / advise such an endeavor.
1951121;1573611557;mircea_popescu;meanwhile the new kids got sucked into this also.
1951122;1573611607;trinque;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950667 << seems like there's a lot of overlap, yes
1951123;1573611607;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-12 16:59:38 jfw: dorion and I have a few consulting clients that are learning linux/unix for the first time. We use the distribution ourselves for niches it's able to fill, and we considered it a good learning environment due to avoiding various complexities
1951124;1573611638;trinque;sounds like not very sophisticated clients, not that I'm throwing shade at your hustle jfw
1951125;1573611639;mircea_popescu;potentially there's a good half dozen hands here, if ave1 & bvt can be seduced into it.
1951126;1573611659;*;trinque strains, yet tits do not erupt
1951127;1573611668;lobbes;trinque: I am around (and have been following the conversation)
1951128;1573611677;trinque;more the merrier, to a point. so long as it's *directed* effort
1951129;1573611696;mircea_popescu;right. directed an' structured an' documented and os on
1951130;1573611955;trinque;lobbes: do you have a machine with a decent GPU?
1951131;1573611956;lobbes;just to be clear, my I believe role in this thing (at least to start) should be at the bottom of the totem pole. I have much to learn still but am willing to work. Though I will need management on what exactly to work on. I don't think I even could have conducted the client interviews on the level trinque (or jfw, for that matter) did. I simply do not have enough experience yet
1951132;1573611995;lobbes;trinque: I might have one. How do I determine decency of gpu in this context?
1951133;1573612005;mircea_popescu;plus i don't remember you throwing a hissy fit for no apparent reason
1951134;1573612106;trinque;lobbes: if you have that GPU someone else will also, eh?
1951135;1573612248;lobbes;trinque: I'm not following you
1951136;1573612285;trinque;w/e GPU you have is fine. if it ends up not being fine, I'll just send you one.
1951137;1573612302;lobbes;kk, works well enough for me
1951138;1573612359;lobbes;and ty btw, for this opportunity
1951139;1573612601;lobbes;trinque: I also want to make sure you know that I still have some items to knock out this month before I can devote full focus, but starting in December I should be ready to roll
1951140;1573612611;lobbes;Not that I can't start chewing on things early, of course
1951141;1573612645;trinque;I don't want to burn anything out. I think it's upon me to specify this thing, receive feedback, and then delegate tasks.
1951142;1573612711;trinque;*burn anyone
1951143;1573612720;lobbes;sounds reasonable
1951144;1573612734;trinque;but I want to know who wants to eat the thing with me, and start talking to them on a regular basis.
1951145;1573612920;trinque;spyked: what about you, have a usable GPU?
1951146;1573613059;trinque;!!v E08EF01B1D517D3DE9D9A8C0688CC0EBBAE8B67C16F81B8ACE5941B4EEABC504
1951147;1573613060;deedbot;trinque rated lobbes 1 << cuntooist
1951148;1573613079;trinque;^ not being frivolous here.
1951149;1573613214;trinque;lobbes: starting when in december?
1951150;1573613547;mircea_popescu;the first lol, i'm not dragging the whole mp-wp logger on forever.
1951151;1573613734;lobbes;^ what he said
1951152;1573613909;lobbes;I'm aiming to get remainder of mp-wp logger complete in under two weeks. Then rest of Nov I want to tidy up auctionbot. So Dec 1st should be a good starting point for me
1951153;1573614291;mircea_popescu;lobbes, http://trilema.com/2019/proper-html-linking-the-crisis-the-solution-the-resolution-conclusion/#comment-132249 << in other lulz.
1951154;1573616941;lobbes;mircea_popescu: nice bug findin'. I'll make sure it is rolled into the patch
1951155;1573630816;diana_coman;trinque: ask me if there's any info you need from me; and are you going to answer this century re http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950568 ?
1951156;1573630816;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-12 03:53:35 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trinque/2019-11-03#1000013 - any eta on this?
1951157;1573630830;diana_coman;even better, just publish the damned thing already, will you?
1951158;1573630873;diana_coman;other than that, great to read a trinque-heavy log for once, ha.
1951159;1573634941;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950779 <-- around 10 hrs, plus-minus 2. it's not much time, but I aim to, as much as possible, stick to that 10hrs/week figure and properly break down/manage the tasks I can fit into this time.
1951160;1573634941;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-12 17:55:51 mircea_popescu: spyked, what sorta time could you commit on a weekly basis, if this tmsr os megaproject actually gets going ?
1951161;1573634960;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1951050 <-- this sounds more than reasonable to me
1951162;1573634960;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-12 22:22:17 trinque: I'd like to approach this in phases, documentation preceding every phase's work product.
1951163;1573635431;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1951078 <-- I have an old thinkpad with an intel 3000 (works decently for games that don't ask for the latest shaders & crap) and perhaps I could get my hands on other GPUs. the problematic point is that I'm spending a considerable portion of that allocated 10hrs in saeculum, without physical access to the hardware. so would have to work out some routine for
1951164;1573635431;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-12 22:47:54 trinque: spyked: what about you, have a usable GPU?
1951165;1573635437;spyked; testing, or maybe get some sort of remote kvm access installed.
1951166;1573635599;spyked;ftr, I was considering doing my initial cuntoo boostrapper install on a qemu. I've gotten disk images and kernels prepped for that environment in the past, it's pretty easy due to the absence of odd vendor-specific drivers. this is probably not appropriate for gfx work though.
1951167;1573635775;spyked;^ imho would be worth doing this either way, if only because my familiarity with cuntoo so far is limited to reading the bootstrapper scripts.
1951168;1573636623;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1951029 <-- just to be as pedantic as possible: plus all the deps needed to run the eulora client. from what I understand, would have to produce static builds of these, which touches new ground. not sure if e.g. http://www.eulorum.org/Gentoo is up to date, but we'd be the first to attempt doing a static build of nvidia-toolkit.
1951169;1573636623;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-12 21:56:47 trinque: k, so this is little else than creating a signed tarball of the cuntoo bootstrapper's output, and building a livecd/usb that can unpack that item onto a fresh system, bundled with some driver firmware and a try-all-modules kernel.
1951170;1573637883;diana_coman;spyked: the eulora client build guides are still up to date, yes.
1951171;1573638407;mircea_popescu;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-13#1951092 << i think it's plenty.
1951172;1573638407;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-13 04:54:57 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950779 <-- around 10 hrs, plus-minus 2. it's not much time, but I aim to, as much as possible, stick to that 10hrs/week figure and properly break down/manage the tasks I can fit into this time.
1951173;1573638436;mircea_popescu;a LOT can be accomplished in ten hours, provided one doesn't pay any being an engineer rents with them.
1951174;1573638454;mircea_popescu;most high level tasks are "5 minutes' worth of not being fucking stupid"
1951175;1573639094;mircea_popescu;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-13#1951098 << that's silly. can't jus ttake the laptop over with you ?
1951176;1573639095;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-13 05:03:13 spyked: testing, or maybe get some sort of remote kvm access installed.
1951177;1573639149;mircea_popescu;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-13#1951099 << possibly worth doing at least once anyways
1951178;1573639150;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-13 05:05:55 spyked: ftr, I was considering doing my initial cuntoo boostrapper install on a qemu. I've gotten disk images and kernels prepped for that environment in the past, it's pretty easy due to the absence of odd vendor-specific drivers. this is probably not appropriate for gfx work though.
1951179;1573639234;mircea_popescu;also, an attempt at a static nvidia-toolkit would be interesting regardless of results. afaik nobody even tried to any significant degree
1951180;1573639351;*;mircea_popescu has 0 problem saying "oh, eulora only works on nvidia" or w/e limiting in this vein.
1951181;1573639374;mircea_popescu;i'd rather it not be "only works on intel" if at all possible, but otherwise...
1951182;1573639377;diana_coman;fwiw I actually ran it without that toolkit but the resulting quality of graphics is visibly low.
1951183;1573639384;mircea_popescu;aha
1951184;1573639408;mircea_popescu;and we intend to muchly broaden the extant gfx basis anyway, hence all these self-curing client genuflexions
1951185;1573639427;diana_coman;a lot of the deps there are not fully mandatory in that if one wants, one can run the client anyway but at the extreme this goes to "well, if one WANTS TO, one can make their own bloody text client already and run that"
1951186;1573639482;mircea_popescu;right
1951187;1573640418;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, so listen, e3-1241 or e5-2620 x2 ?
1951188;1573640482;mircea_popescu;the latter has significant larger ram aperture (3x the speed, 16x the address space) and significantly more threads possibly (24 vs 8)
1951189;1573640505;diana_coman;myeah, I was just having a look at the specs
1951190;1573640530;mircea_popescu;they're intels tho.
1951191;1573640549;diana_coman;that's the thing, that I'm not sure that it makes all that big difference really esp atm.
1951192;1573640558;mircea_popescu;you gotta tell me.
1951193;1573640587;mircea_popescu;it's pretty much all e3/e5. i could perhaps squeeze a celeron if pressed, but there's no amds.
1951194;1573640613;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: hm, listen, can this wait until I meet those dc guys tomorrow?
1951195;1573640629;mircea_popescu;it can wait.
1951196;1573640635;diana_coman;at the end of the day, if I get a rack or whatevers next to me, I can just as well plonk a server in there
1951197;1573640640;diana_coman;and I can put whatever I buy.
1951198;1573640652;mircea_popescu;sure.
1951199;1573640675;diana_coman;I'll take my camera tomorrow and hopefully find some time in the evening to blog it up too
1951200;1573640681;mircea_popescu;very nice.
1951201;1573640692;mircea_popescu;ok so then ima put this on ice for a few.
1951202;1573640698;diana_coman;thanks.
1951203;1573640703;*;mircea_popescu still wants eulora prod server sorted this week.
1951204;1573640727;diana_coman;noted.
1951205;1573654512;mircea_popescu;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1951034 << the more i think about this, the less a problem i perceive. i mean, nobody even uses cd boot anymore, they do the hybrid thing so you can use the image on sticks too. well... there's 32gb sticks for ~free, you just set it with a data partition and that's that. in the very unlikely case someone actually has enough artwork to fill 32gb, um... you just tell the pl
1951206;1573654512;mircea_popescu;ayer to buy a 256gb one or w/e. or alternatively... to only save the MOST USED 32 gb.
1951207;1573654512;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-12 21:58:37 trinque: if that's possible, it opens up kids throwing the thing into w/e school computer, like we used to do with quake back in the day.
1951208;1573654516;mircea_popescu;srsly, this can't become a problem.
1951209;1573654642;BingoBoingo;Even down here the little shim for converting laptop optical disc bays into generic 2.5" SATA drive bays are common enough finding one wasn't a headache
1951210;1573655416;diana_coman;BingoBoingo: pizarroisp.net shows a lot of warrnings/errors spew.
1951211;1573655508;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: Right, I put in on the 'anyserver' but haven't done any tweaks to it other than making it clear the operation is closed/closing. I'll give it a couple minutes and see if I can silence the spew.
1951212;1573655522;mircea_popescu;hardly worth the bother huh
1951213;1573655584;BingoBoingo;Well, I didn't think so, but I'll give it some minutes now that I know someone else is trying to read it.
1951214;1573655713;BingoBoingo;And the spew's been silenced
1951215;1573655730;mircea_popescu;#nomorespew
1951216;1573655738;diana_coman;BingoBoingo: alternatively if you can point me directly to how you calculated http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950906, it would even save some time.
1951217;1573655739;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-12 19:35:26 BingoBoingo: !!pay diana_coman 0.10491609
1951218;1573655755;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, on the basis of smg experience, he prorated by time
1951219;1573655813;BingoBoingo;Rockchip 0.08691609 + Shared 0.018 on http://bingology.net/2019/pizarro-isp-pre-closing-statement/
1951220;1573655868;BingoBoingo;I split all of mircea_popescu_popescu's things for their being used for different ventures, wasn't sure if anyone else wanted that in the paying out.
1951221;1573655976;BingoBoingo;But yes, everyone got prorated by time to figure out their customer equity.
1951222;1573656017;diana_coman;it's ok, now I see where I had it wrong, got confused re start/end on the RK; it's fine as it is, thank you BingoBoingo
1951223;1573656056;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: You're welcome and thank you for checking.
1951224;1573656365;*;BingoBoingo priviledged the deedbot returned ledgers and invoice statements over the notes in mathing, though everything was math'd. Repeatedly. Still I admit the room for error to creep in when doing math on calulator and will entertain claims, but preferably sooner instead of later.
1951225;1573658043;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in commercialization lulz, https://sissybrides.com/
1951226;1573674321;BingoBoingo;In local news, the day of the last Presidential debate... The Argentina's president-elect came for a big photo shoot with Uruguay's sitting president and the Fat Forehead nominee. I am having serious trouble conceiving a situation where the commies aren't trying to throw the contest.
1951227;1573674769;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/11/medium-com-now-fetid-cesspool-of-spam-and-malware/ << Qntra -- Medium.com Now Fetid Cesspool Of Spam And Malware
1951228;1573678138;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/jasons-folding/ << Trilema -- Jason's folding.
1951229;1573682105;bvt;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950799 << yes, sure. the article with measurements will definitely come tomorrow -- most of it is written, measurents - finished, bugs - fixed.
1951230;1573682106;snsabot;Logged on 2019-11-12 22:03:27 mircea_popescu: bvt, once done fixing the kernel rng, you wana join in this fray by the way ?
1951231;1573682123;mircea_popescu;neato
1951232;1573682139;mircea_popescu;i'm really excited about this!
1951233;1573682813;bvt;ty, i guess after the article it will become possible to decide what to use for each of the hashes; after that one more patch - user-settable key for hashing, and rng work will be done
1951234;1573683019;bvt;re tmsr os - i am curious what work plan trinque will come up with, esp wrt static linking.
1951235;1573686142;mircea_popescu;bvt, me too.
1951236;1573686286;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in glorious timewastes, [http://armorgames.com/space-arena-build-and-fight-game/18286][space arena]! never was the true substance&tragedy of design as a cvasi-rational process so well captured in so little trapping! rarely will one find such a gem of a game, either! it's purrrfect.
1951237;1573725544;mircea_popescu;dorion, you know, your article skips over the most interesting parts. i can sorta-kinda fill in a sentence like "The bank prevented us from dealing directly with clients in our country of residence 2 as the brokers were never required to obtain any sort of securities license." thus curing it into standing ; but i suspect i might be the ~only one.
1951238;1573738066;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-13#1951120 - currently I would go with the e5-2620; not only on larger ram & more threads aspect but also because looking at what is available otherwise, it seems to me that this at least hits on the "widely available" even more than the e3, esp in the longer term; fwiw yest I looked at what servers I could source here as well and sourcing AMDs seems to be mainly an American thing.
1951239;1573738067;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-13 06:26:15 mircea_popescu: diana_coman, so listen, e3-1241 or e5-2620 x2 ?
1951240;1573738108;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, did the whatever you were trying locally die ?
1951241;1573738112;diana_coman;I just came back from the dc visit too; on the plus side, they are still small enough to be able to get to know them and they seem reasonably interested/able to actually have a conversation;
1951242;1573738134;diana_coman;on the negative side, they are totally married to 1. their account-on-website system because, quote "I've built the business around this"
1951243;1573738155;diana_coman;2. payment in gbp and invoicing with all their bells and whistles
1951244;1573738165;mircea_popescu;mkay.
1951245;1573738172;diana_coman;essentially I'd need to fully interface there
1951246;1573738175;mircea_popescu;stupid thing to "build a business around", but w/e.
1951247;1573738185;mircea_popescu;when i say "the great success of lamp", i mean things quite like ^
1951248;1573738257;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: myeah but what can I say; fwiw I didn't hold much back eg directly told him that ahem, I can see how it's "convenient" for them but that sort of convenience has a cost and moreover it's totally inconvenient for me.
1951249;1573738275;diana_coman;where "me" by that stage was clearly not just me personally.
1951250;1573738282;mircea_popescu;aite. i'm a get the e5 then
1951251;1573738292;diana_coman;anyways; I have pics and I'll still write up the whole thing.
1951252;1573738381;diana_coman;other than that the dc itself & tech side, it all looked quite good really; a rather pleasant thing to see all things in their place and ordered and properly provisioned and all that; but myeah.
1951253;1573738542;mircea_popescu;aha
1951254;1573739280;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-14#1951170 - I certainly couldn't fill that in and it did precisely pop up while reading, precisely this sentence; I suspect dorion needs more practice defining some manageable scope & focus for one article.
1951255;1573739280;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-14 06:05:06 mircea_popescu: dorion, you know, your article skips over the most interesting parts. i can sorta-kinda fill in a sentence like "The bank prevented us from dealing directly with clients in our country of residence 2 as the brokers were never required to obtain any sort of securities license." thus curing it into standing ; but i suspect i might be the ~only one.
1951256;1573746140;mircea_popescu;lobbes, upon deliberation, i really dun wanna get us-sider servers, fuck tghat dumb shit.
1951257;1573746154;mircea_popescu;sorry for the confounding.
1951258;1573746188;mircea_popescu;wouldja be willing to find something else ?
1951259;1573746506;dorion;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-14#1951170 << thanks for the feedback, and I wholeheartedly agree with [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-14#1951187][this point]. the initial articles I've set myself with have tended to be: go eat this elephant in one sitting with dull utensils. I end up swallowing chunks whole making digestion more expensive. I'll see what I can do to
1951260;1573746506;dorion;circle back on that article to drill down on the more interesting points in subsequent pieces, and for sure work to limit scope moving forward.
1951261;1573746507;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-14 06:05:06 mircea_popescu: dorion, you know, your article skips over the most interesting parts. i can sorta-kinda fill in a sentence like "The bank prevented us from dealing directly with clients in our country of residence 2 as the brokers were never required to obtain any sort of securities license." thus curing it into standing ; but i suspect i might be the ~only one.
1951262;1573746507;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-14 09:54:03 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-14#1951170 - I certainly couldn't fill that in and it did precisely pop up while reading, precisely this sentence; I suspect dorion needs more practice defining some manageable scope & focus for one article.
1951263;1573746599;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/of-tits-and-masks-and-other-things/ << Trilema -- Of tits, and masks, and other things
1951264;1573755375;feedbot;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3557 << Loper OS -- Rack Service Launch.
1951265;1573757545;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/11/netherland-halting-economic-activity-on-multiple-fronts-over-nitrogen-emissions-crisis/ << Qntra -- Netherlands Halting Economic Activity On Multiple Fronts Over "Nitrogen Emissions Crisis"
1951266;1573757847;mircea_popescu;pretty lulzy. "civilised world" amirite, except for the part where nobody needs them for anything.
1951267;1573757892;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo, "As documented on this blog, undertaking the remains of Pizarro has continued, as documented on this blog."
1951268;1573757970;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: ty, fxd
1951269;1573758050;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I imagine this holds for most of Northwest Europe. "Nobody in particular needs us, but we think we are far enough ahead to have an advantage if we can talk everyone else into stopping with us"
1951270;1573758099;mircea_popescu;well, the first part for sure. for all the "not racist" blather, the euro-africans literally think there's some magic in the string "netherlands" that prevents it outright from simply being zamibia.
1951271;1573758135;mircea_popescu;there's no such thing ; subsaharan africa === western europe today. pretense notwithstanding (spoiler : exactly equal amts of pretense on BOTH camps)
1951272;1573758233;BingoBoingo;I imagine their engineers in government imagine that being more Zamibia will let them carry their socialism further on stored energy. "Cheaper!!!" Nevermind Uruguay, Argentina, and Scandanavia demonstrating the opposite.
1951273;1573758251;mircea_popescu;reality doesn't matter if you don't agree to it.
1951274;1573758308;BingoBoingo;Who needs the big picture when you can hide in some details?
1951275;1573758943;feedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2019/11/14/amito-data-centre-in-reading-uk/ << Ossa Sepia -- Amito Data Centre in Reading (UK)
1951276;1573759907;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, you know it's peek not peak
1951277;1573760022;diana_coman;right.
1951278;1573760076;diana_coman;I ...know it; still mess it up repeatedly, grrr.
1951279;1573760081;mircea_popescu;lol
1951280;1573761965;mircea_popescu;in other news, i'm considering getting an upgrade for mp-wp, wherein comments marked as spam are displayed for as long as the ip they were made from is loading the page
1951281;1573762036;mircea_popescu;the drawback is that most spam ops use diff boxes for harvesting and posting, sadly.
1951282;1573762173;BingoBoingo;Seems like it may catch more simple retards than organized spammers.
1951283;1573762202;mircea_popescu;sadly.
1951284;1573762378;mircea_popescu;on some level, the obviousness of "why should i be forced to decide either all or none" grates. false dilemma. but on the other end, the practicalities of "alright... distinguish then" are insurmountable.
1951285;1573762434;mircea_popescu;then the bootstrapping problem. "suppose you let the wot work it, make trilema be gossipd, people can see the comments of people they talk to"
1951286;1573762438;mircea_popescu;well... so how do they meet then
1951287;1573762440;*;BingoBoingo also unsure about encouraging the simple retard flavor of spammer by making it seem like what they does is working.
1951288;1573762456;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo, why not ? idiots ~should~ waste themselves, it's the only point of nature.
1951289;1573762477;mircea_popescu;that's what pretty much everything existing is all about : making idiots think idiocy works.
1951290;1573762530;mircea_popescu;highly successful at it, too. in fact, the one key feature of any reality simulation. "does your terrarium make idiots think their idiocy works ?" pass/fail.
1951291;1573762557;BingoBoingo;Point taken. [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-11#1950533][Toxoplasmosis keeps reinventing itself for reasons]
1951292;1573762558;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-11 13:22:52 BingoBoingo: It's almost what toxoplasmosis tries to do to rats except... entirely self inflicted
1951293;1573762641;mircea_popescu;in the end, the tragedy of human existence is that everyone gets exactly what they thought they wanted.
1951294;1573762651;diana_coman;eh, if you can make idiots *think*, it's already something.
1951295;1573762656;mircea_popescu;lol
1951296;1573762686;mircea_popescu;constructive "think", "actively misrepresent"
1951297;1573762966;diana_coman;I suppose I'd call it along the lines of "give them hope it works"; because it's also quite the only way it can work given the other side of "make idiocy cost more" - for as long as there is hope, the cost will be happily paid.
1951298;1573762985;mircea_popescu;in the end, the doom of self-expression as a ~default~ activity, occuring ~in the absence of understanding~ ; and the power of understanding dervied thereby, to actually inhibit action very much stands as the exact definition of the tragedy of human condition. a trite point, at that.
1951299;1573763002;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, remember dr a's point, "pay idiots in lottery tickets" ?
1951300;1573763007;diana_coman;I thought that was the comedy! lolz
1951301;1573763038;diana_coman;ahahha, I don't recall it but it does fit his utterings as I got to read them otherwise, for sure.
1951302;1573763043;mircea_popescu;lemme fish it out
1951303;1573763068;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2009/romanii-si-munca/#comment-6410
1951304;1573763079;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2009/dac-as-fi-io-sef/#comment-7147 rappel
1951305;1573763090;diana_coman;come to think of it, I guess that's the root cause of my despising hope really.
1951306;1573763375;mircea_popescu;hope you can believe in!
1951307;1573763478;diana_coman;lol
1951308;1573767726;mircea_popescu;in other news : there's this dude [www.pornhub.com/model/sleepy_b][sleepy_b] uploading extremely well rendered video to pronsites. he happens to be from uy. is there any chance in hell BingoBoingo might spot him somehows ?
1951309;1573767864;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Want me to try to get him into #eulora or land him somewhere else?
1951310;1573767884;mircea_popescu;#eulora'd work well
1951311;1573767931;BingoBoingo;Aite, I'll try to make contact, get him a steak or choripan, and try to put him on the IRC.
1951312;1573767940;mircea_popescu;eat well, it's on me.
1951313;1573767985;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Some of the locals have weird, counter-quality tastes.
1951314;1573768046;*;BingoBoingo will absolutely not be taking anyone, self included to MVD's only fried chicken joint
1951315;1573768054;mircea_popescu;lol
1951316;1573768221;BingoBoingo;It... it's disgusting in ways the US trough style eateries have trouble matching. I suspect it spoiled this entire country on the idea of frying chicken.
1951317;1573770359;feedbot;http://bvt-trace.net/2019/11/benchmarking-hashes-for-fg-fed-linux/ << bvt's backtrace -- Benchmarking hashes for FG-fed Linux
1951318;1573770492;BingoBoingo;In local "memes" summarizing last night's presidential debate http://archive.is/M3Qgh
1951319;1573774876;feedbot;http://bimbo.club/2019/11/frankfurt-linz/ << Bimbo Club -- Frankfurt-Linz
1951320;1573789904;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-14#1951191 << I can take a look elsewhere, sure. Do you have a specific preference for location?
1951321;1573789904;ericbot;Logged on 2019-11-14 15:46:23 mircea_popescu: wouldja be willing to find something else ?
1951322;1573800590;auctionbot;Sell order # 1068: Two switches used in the late Pizarro's server rack; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 1mn from jfw outbidding asciilifeform. Ending: 2019-11-15 21:38:56.904013 UTC (8 hours 49 mins)
1951323;1573800845;auctionbot;Sell order # 1072: Lot of 18 FUCKGOATS in anti-static bags; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 55mn from jfw outbidding jurov. Ending: 2019-11-15 21:39:57.226390 UTC (8 hours 46 mins)
1951324;1573801045;jfw;!!received-invoices
1951325;1573801051;deedbot;http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=YVFI
1951326;1573801455;jfw;trinque, mircea_popescu: my status on settling the s.nsa auction invoice is that I haven't funded a deedbot wallet before, and the above is encrypted to a key unknown to me, so I would like confirmation from trinque that there isn't some wire crossed and when I deposit, the coin will in fact be assigned to my key.
1951327;1573803232;auctionbot;Sell order # 1072: Lot of 18 FUCKGOATS in anti-static bags; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 60mn from bvt outbidding jfw. Ending: 2019-11-15 21:39:57.226390 UTC (8 hours 6 mins)
1951328;1573805991;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-13#1951169 <-- this is pretty neat. played with it for 10mins, doesn't look very hardcore yet, but I'm guessing it's going to get better later on.
1951329;1573805991;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-13 19:10:45 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in glorious timewastes, [http://armorgames.com/space-arena-build-and-fight-game/18286][space arena]! never was the true substance&tragedy of design as a cvasi-rational process so well captured in so little trapping! rarely will one find such a gem of a game, either! it's purrrfect.
1951330;1573806021;spyked;also, from what I see, it's made by the same ppl who published infectonator. had a blast with that one (I think I also found about that from mircea_popescu?)
1951331;1573806217;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-13#1951108 <-- tried that a while ago, it's quasi-impossible to connect computers not owned by the company to the network, due to all sorts of winbloze and/or spyware requirements on the machine. imo not worth wasting hardware on that; what I'll do instead is get some work-from-home hours, which would also give me almost a full day to focus on the work. this do
1951332;1573806218;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-13 06:04:11 mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-13#1951098 << that's silly. can't jus ttake the laptop over with you ?
1951333;1573806223;spyked;esn't quite amount to 40hrs/month (10/week) though, more like 20-30, so I'll have to use the remaining time for planning/writing etc.
1951334;1573806334;spyked;and I might eventually get an nvidia desktop just for gfx work anyway
1951335;1573806728;spyked;^ inb4 "here's how spyked got into playing eulora"
1951336;1573806758;diana_coman;ahahah; but I had to make myself a new computer for working on the client!
1951337;1573806962;*;spyked has an old gtx 760 at his folks' home, it's been gathering dust for years now
1951338;1573810704;mircea_popescu;jfw BFB6E2FF vs http://wot.deedbot.org/0CBC05941D03FD95C3A47654AE0DF306025594B3.html ; and yet you somehow can self-voice. that is pretty bizarre. meanwhile in other glories of great inca infrastructure, http://archive.is/Ea1ZI
1951339;1573810717;mircea_popescu;do you mind doing a !!v here /
1951340;1573810745;mircea_popescu;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-14#1951253 << asia or latam, ideally. the current server's in moscow, so you know...
1951341;1573810745;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-14 23:57:50 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-14#1951191 << I can take a look elsewhere, sure. Do you have a specific preference for location?
1951342;1573810746;ericbot;Logged on 2019-11-14 15:46:23 mircea_popescu: wouldja be willing to find something else ?
1951343;1573810823;mircea_popescu;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-15#1951261 << yeah, how much fuck-up can fit in a 12 slot ship, given at least half is forced by module poverty. i'm currently running a wanderer to great funs, look through the later ships they get huge, 100ish slots
1951344;1573810823;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-15 04:25:58 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-13#1951169 <-- this is pretty neat. played with it for 10mins, doesn't look very hardcore yet, but I'm guessing it's going to get better later on.
1951345;1573810854;mircea_popescu;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-15#1951263 << possibru! good taste is good taste, whadda ya want!
1951346;1573810854;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-15 04:26:28 spyked: also, from what I see, it's made by the same ppl who published infectonator. had a blast with that one (I think I also found about that from mircea_popescu?)
1951347;1573811065;mircea_popescu;sadly they don't have a way to record/replay battles, which is stupid, should just have a hash url for any battle.
1951348;1573811140;mircea_popescu;unfortunately (for them!) i don't own them, nor are they in channel, meaning they haven't access to this font of "obvious, in retrospect" sense. which is the true drawback of "oh, we built our business around the convenience of a website" : it all but enforces missing out on pretty much everything.
1951349;1573811188;mircea_popescu;the moogles managed to make an internetless fakenet for themselves, basically. nfi why they call it the internet, it's like calling their sad socialisms "democracy", anachronism abuse.
1951350;1573811376;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-15#1951276 <-- oh I see. and do weapons/shields also get bigger, or do you just get moar space for fiddling with combos?
1951351;1573811376;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-15 05:46:30 mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-15#1951261 << yeah, how much fuck-up can fit in a 12 slot ship, given at least half is forced by module poverty. i'm currently running a wanderer to great funs, look through the later ships they get huge, 100ish slots
1951352;1573811383;mircea_popescu;both.
1951353;1573811397;mircea_popescu;look through the research tree, currently eg using a 2x2 shield, 500/100/500
1951354;1573811451;mircea_popescu;anyway, this is what the jr high game of battleship should have been. because wtf, we got computers, thus therefore are better than the pen-and-paper forefathers. or else, what the fuck's all the toil been for.
1951355;1573812349;diana_coman;does anyone know about/have xp with this orangewebsite provider? they are based in iceland and seem to at least 1. accept bitcoin directly 2. require only email
1951356;1573812381;diana_coman;they still "partner" with all sorts, cloudflare included, for the most obvious yuck.
1951357;1573812958;mircea_popescu;cloudflare is the internet equivalent of usg's fatca chantage mechanism. "partner" for protection or else get flooded. i wouldn't hold it against civillians.
1951358;1573813053;mircea_popescu;anyway, petty microbusiness isp, there's a derpier BingoBoingo behind the "x tb bw for dedicated" sorta nonsense.
1951359;1573813171;diana_coman;well, medium & macro businesses tend to be built around the website from what I can see; so yeah, looked at micro and kind of running out of anything to look at anyway.
1951360;1573813408;mircea_popescu;basically they're a fine opportunity to pay 2x what your getting's worth for the priviledge of supporting someone else's BingoBoingo in iceland.
1951361;1573813429;diana_coman;myeah, they do charge a lot for very little for sure.
1951362;1573813500;mircea_popescu;i don't see the merit. either it's alligned or else it's cheap, what the hell is this "pay us a premium so we can derp". i ain't ever buying "quality" outside of republic, for the obvious reason
1951363;1573813555;diana_coman;the q there was whether it's at least allignable, essentially; the reason why I took a closer look.
1951364;1573813581;diana_coman;otherwise yes, at least go for cheapest and that's that; for added lulz, that pretty much ends up in moldova anyway.
1951365;1573813582;mircea_popescu;now that i dunno.
1951366;1573813589;diana_coman;or at best bulgaria I suppose
1951367;1573813603;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, smg server's gonna be bulgaria yeah
1951368;1573813608;diana_coman;heh
1951369;1573815432;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, was it minigame.biz ? or .bz ?
1951370;1573815499;mircea_popescu;also, do you want anything on it ? centos ? debian ? ubuntu ? lolz
1951371;1573815555;mircea_popescu;(item comes with a 10GB line upgrade available ; though ima start it on a 100MB interface because seriously now.)
1951372;1573815616;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: it was minigame.biz latest (previously it used to be .bz)
1951373;1573815635;mircea_popescu;ty
1951374;1573815651;diana_coman;re OS the idea was that I'll have to install remotely the proto-cuntoo though, wasn't it?
1951375;1573815666;diana_coman;otherwise the production server could be up faster on a centos 6
1951376;1573815716;diana_coman;and yeah, 100MB interface should be plenty for now.
1951377;1573815718;mircea_popescu;aite, centos 6 it is.
1951378;1573815729;diana_coman;cool.
1951379;1573815762;mircea_popescu;do you want a raid ?
1951380;1573815849;mircea_popescu;2x half tb ssds in a raid 1 mebbe ?
1951381;1573815864;diana_coman;works.
1951382;1573815918;diana_coman;atm I don't really see the need for anything more than that anyway; I'll set up again all the data backups anyway, ofc.
1951383;1573816587;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=zUlR
1951384;1573817074;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=60Oz
1951385;1573818206;mircea_popescu;god i fucking love reading trilema
1951386;1573825760;BingoBoingo;!Xview 1072
1951387;1573825761;auctionbot;Sell order # 1072: Lot of 18 FUCKGOATS in anti-static bags; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Opening: 1 ecu Leading Bid: 60mn ecu Ending: 2019-11-15 21:39:57.226390 UTC (1 hours 51 mins)
1951388;1573825770;BingoBoingo;!Xview 1073
1951389;1573825770;auctionbot;Sell order # 1073: Lot of 4 FUCKGOATS used; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Opening: 40mn ecu Leading Bid: 40mn ecu Ending: 2019-11-15 21:40:16.614209 UTC (1 hours 51 mins)
1951390;1573825785;BingoBoingo;Maybe the used ones are more collectible?
1951391;1573826178;mircea_popescu;weird, huh.
1951392;1573826537;trinque;jfw: will look into it this evening
1951393;1573827319;diana_coman;for that matter the former smg servers contain FG too but apparently don't quite appeal.
1951394;1573829330;BingoBoingo;!Xview 1064
1951395;1573829330;auctionbot;Sell order # 1064: Selling the server formerly known as UY1 no FUCKGOATS, no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Opening: 1mn ecu Leading Bid: 1mn ecu Ending: 2019-11-15 21:37:54.887600 UTC (0 hours 49 mins)
1951396;1573829411;BingoBoingo;Less than an hour. Where the auction snipers hiding at?
1951397;1573829609;auctionbot;Sell order # 1072: Lot of 18 FUCKGOATS in anti-static bags; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 70mn from jfw outbidding bvt. Ending: 2019-11-15 21:39:57.226390 UTC (0 hours 47 mins)
1951398;1573829689;auctionbot;Sell order # 1066: Selling the server formerly used as S.MG Production with FUCKGOATS, no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 10mn from jfw outbidding asciilifeform. Ending: 2019-11-15 21:38:28.450290 UTC (0 hours 44 mins)
1951399;1573829786;diana_coman;if it weren't such a horrible mess to get them all the way to here, ugh.
1951400;1573829971;auctionbot;Sell order # 1072: Lot of 18 FUCKGOATS in anti-static bags; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 75mn from bvt outbidding jfw. Ending: 2019-11-15 21:39:57.226390 UTC (0 hours 41 mins)
1951401;1573830072;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: The Uk has one of the soviet Uruguay style customs regimes, doesn't it.
1951402;1573830158;diana_coman;BingoBoingo: more organised ie they just want you to pay & go to some dispatch post office; but it all adds up to the point that it's not really +ev
1951403;1573830506;BingoBoingo;I don't know about more organized. Just seems more centralized if the post office handles dispatch instead of the "dispachante" cartel.
1951404;1573830947;auctionbot;Sell order # 1065: Selling the server formerly used for S.MG Testing with FUCKGOATS, no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 6mn from jfw outbidding asciilifeform. Ending: 2019-11-15 21:38:11.900525 UTC (0 hours 23 mins)
1951405;1573831008;auctionbot;Sell order # 1072: Lot of 18 FUCKGOATS in anti-static bags; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 80mn from jfw outbidding bvt. Ending: 2019-11-15 21:39:57.226390 UTC (0 hours 23 mins)
1951406;1573831110;diana_coman;more centralized might be a better description I guess; I mean "more organised" in the sense that it's quite straightforward otherwise but possibly it's just as straightforward in Uruguay too.
1951407;1573831519;BingoBoingo;Well "find a member of this class of indirectly goverment employed stooges" is straightforwards, but what follows is a bunch of ugly
1951408;1573832195;auctionbot;Sell order # 1065: Selling the server formerly used for S.MG Testing with FUCKGOATS, no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 7mn from asciilifeform outbidding jfw. Ending: 2019-11-15 21:38:11.900525 UTC (0 hours 2 mins)
1951409;1573832204;auctionbot;Sell order # 1066: Selling the server formerly used as S.MG Production with FUCKGOATS, no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 11mn from asciilifeform outbidding jfw. Ending: 2019-11-15 21:38:28.450290 UTC (0 hours 2 mins)
1951410;1573832227;auctionbot;Sell order # 1065: Selling the server formerly used for S.MG Testing with FUCKGOATS, no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 10mn from jfw outbidding asciilifeform. Ending: 2019-11-15 21:38:11.900525 UTC (0 hours 1 mins)
1951411;1573832230;auctionbot;Sell order # 1072: Lot of 18 FUCKGOATS in anti-static bags; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 81mn from asciilifeform outbidding jfw. Ending: 2019-11-15 21:39:57.226390 UTC (0 hours 3 mins)
1951412;1573832236;auctionbot;Sell order # 1065: Selling the server formerly used for S.MG Testing with FUCKGOATS, no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 11mn from asciilifeform outbidding jfw. Ending: 2019-11-15 21:38:11.900525 UTC (0 hours 1 mins)
1951413;1573832253;auctionbot;Sell order # 1072: Lot of 18 FUCKGOATS in anti-static bags; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 90mn from jfw outbidding asciilifeform. Ending: 2019-11-15 21:39:57.226390 UTC (0 hours 3 mins)
1951414;1573832258;auctionbot;Sell order # 1072: Lot of 18 FUCKGOATS in anti-static bags; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 91mn from asciilifeform outbidding jfw. Ending: 2019-11-15 21:39:57.226390 UTC (0 hours 3 mins)
1951415;1573832269;auctionbot;Sell order # 1072: Lot of 18 FUCKGOATS in anti-static bags; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 100mn from jfw outbidding asciilifeform. Ending: 2019-11-15 21:39:57.226390 UTC (0 hours 2 mins)
1951416;1573832271;auctionbot;Sell order # 1072: Lot of 18 FUCKGOATS in anti-static bags; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 101mn from asciilifeform outbidding jfw. Ending: 2019-11-15 21:39:57.226390 UTC (0 hours 2 mins)
1951417;1573832280;auctionbot;Sell order # 1072: Lot of 18 FUCKGOATS in anti-static bags; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 110mn from jfw outbidding asciilifeform. Ending: 2019-11-15 21:39:57.226390 UTC (0 hours 2 mins)
1951418;1573832282;auctionbot;Sell order # 1072: Lot of 18 FUCKGOATS in anti-static bags; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 111mn from asciilifeform outbidding jfw. Ending: 2019-11-15 21:39:57.226390 UTC (0 hours 2 mins)
1951419;1573832293;auctionbot;Sell order # 1072: Lot of 18 FUCKGOATS in anti-static bags; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 120mn from jfw outbidding asciilifeform. Ending: 2019-11-15 21:39:57.226390 UTC (0 hours 2 mins)
1951420;1573832328;auctionbot;Sell order # 1064 has ENDED: Selling the server formerly known as UY1 no FUCKGOATS, no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense. SOLD to diana_coman for 1mn ecu. Attn: BingoBoingo
1951421;1573832388;auctionbot;Sell order # 1065 has ENDED: Selling the server formerly used for S.MG Testing with FUCKGOATS, no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense. SOLD to asciilifeform for 11mn ecu. Attn: BingoBoingo
1951422;1573832389;auctionbot;Sell order # 1066 has ENDED: Selling the server formerly used as S.MG Production with FUCKGOATS, no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense. SOLD to asciilifeform for 11mn ecu. Attn: BingoBoingo
1951423;1573832390;auctionbot;Sell order # 1067 has ENDED: No sale. Attn: BingoBoingo
1951424;1573832391;auctionbot;Sell order # 1068 has ENDED: Two switches used in the late Pizarro's server rack; buyer to take possession at his own expense. SOLD to jfw for 1mn ecu. Attn: BingoBoingo
1951425;1573832448;auctionbot;Sell order # 1069 has ENDED: Former Pizarro RockChip Plant, no used USB drives; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Notes. Tools In photo are included for scale as the plant as configured requires more than one rack unit of height to mount. Pliers not included in plant, but screwdriver is negotiable. SOLD to asciilifeform for 1mn ecu. Attn: BingoBoingo
1951426;1573832449;auctionbot;Sell order # 1070 has ENDED: No sale. Attn: BingoBoingo
1951427;1573832450;auctionbot;Sell order # 1071 has ENDED: No sale. Attn: BingoBoingo
1951428;1573832451;auctionbot;Sell order # 1072 has ENDED: Lot of 18 FUCKGOATS in anti-static bags; buyer to take possession at his own expense. SOLD to jfw for 120mn ecu. Attn: BingoBoingo
1951429;1573832508;auctionbot;Sell order # 1073 has ENDED: Lot of 4 FUCKGOATS used; buyer to take possession at his own expense. SOLD to jurov for 40mn ecu. Attn: BingoBoingo
1951430;1573832509;auctionbot;Sell order # 1074 has ENDED: 1U chassis with two servers and one power supply, one unused 6TB WD Red 3.5" HDD; buyer to take possession at his own expense. SOLD to asciilifeform for 1mn ecu. Attn: BingoBoingo
1951431;1573832958;BingoBoingo;Congrats to auction winners. Invoicing will be done later today. I know how jfw and asciilifeform intend to take possession of their puchases. diana_coman and jurov please let me know how you want to receive yours.
1951432;1573833037;diana_coman;BingoBoingo: what are the courier options from there to the UK?
1951433;1573833081;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: FedEX and DHL are the two big ones outbound shippers.
1951434;1573833603;diana_coman;BingoBoingo: atm I'm not sure I have many alternatives tbh; mind getting an estimate from fedex/dhl for me? I found [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-15#1945557][this estimate for the US] in the logs, but I doubt it will be similar for crossing the ocean.
1951435;1573833604;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-15 14:13:44 BingoBoingo: Fedex economy came in with an estimate a bit under 300 USD given the dulap's dimensions and bathroom scale weight without packaging. Packaging at this moment is looking like it will end up being mover's foam rolls and improvised cardboard box/wrap held together with substantial tape.
1951436;1573833847;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: I'll try to grab some estimates this afternoon. I have a tiny suspicion DHL might beat FedEX crossing the ocean in your direction.
1951437;1573833856;diana_coman;BingoBoingo: thank you.
1951438;1573834827;mircea_popescu;!Qcalc (40+120)/(4+18)
1951439;1573834863;mircea_popescu;heh, that's gone huh.
1951440;1573834952;mircea_popescu;neways, as it turns out on the autopsy table, management's plan to build perceived market value in the fuckgoats through running republican isp delivered, ~twenny bux of fuckgoats trades for about a hundy in the exact environment a nominal hundred dubaloos worth of generic hardware trades for like twenty. five this way and five that way, not half bad.
1951441;1573834980;mircea_popescu;too bad it never got implemented, might've done something for all of us.
1951442;1573836850;BingoBoingo;!Qcalc (40+120)/(4+18
1951443;1573836850;lobbesbot;BingoBoingo: Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (, line 1)
1951444;1573836859;BingoBoingo;!Qcalc (40+120)/(4+18)
1951445;1573836859;lobbesbot;BingoBoingo: 7.27272727273
1951446;1573836871;mircea_popescu;not bad at all.
1951447;1573836931;BingoBoingo;FUCKGOATS won value, hardware I didn't want lost value
1951448;1573837053;diana_coman;FGs are also way easier to ship than servers & switches.
1951449;1573837066;mircea_popescu;apparently i'm the only other party seeing value in amd processors, what can i say.
1951450;1573837132;mircea_popescu;i wasn't going to buy alf made crap to piss on it & set it on fire ; but otherwise i have dozens deployed.
1951451;1573837163;BingoBoingo;I see value in AMD, but with portability at a premium... I'm only interested in lugging so many cores around.
1951452;1573837191;mircea_popescu;there is that
1951453;1573837343;diana_coman;not sure how the "won't pay for shipping those all the way from uruguay" directly translates into no value on amd processors; not like I don't have around me mainly amd processors for that matter.
1951454;1573837382;mircea_popescu;i suppose this is a good point, yes they sold for ten bux or w/e, but in small amounts inconveniently packaged
1951455;1573837406;BingoBoingo;And the four cores in ye olde Qntra/DNS box are still AMD. Just... now I got more drives to throw in it.
1951456;1573837483;mircea_popescu;i can see it.
1951457;1573843844;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: Fedex wants 453 based on the unboxed dimensions, extra kilo or so thrown in. DHL wants what I initially thought was 436, but it could either be 436 or 536, more probably the later
1951458;1573845265;diana_coman;BingoBoingo: I suppose it will have to be Fedex unless I figure out an entirely different approach to this, huh.
1951459;1573845420;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: Well, their estimate is ~1 week which suggest they are at least flying it rather than boating it.
1951460;1573845542;diana_coman;BingoBoingo: well yes, tbh I even looked and return tickets London-Montevideo are ~1k even if bought without much time in advance; so adding customs and whatever, I suspect it ends up ~same; but travel = time and uhm.
1951461;1573845595;diana_coman;unless you want to visit London as I'd much more gladly pay your ticket than paying Fedex for that matter.
1951462;1573845688;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: The time thing kinda hits hard for either of us. At least at the price it sold for, getting exit papers for the machine will be a non-issue
1951463;1573845748;diana_coman;so then Fedex it will probably be; I'll get to sign an address and all that by the end of this week I should hope.
1951464;1573845874;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: ty, I'll try to get it robustly packaged up for shipping by the end of next week.
1951465;1573845887;diana_coman;sounds great; thank you!
1951466;1573847631;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, montevideo arguably worth viewing, for a week or two.
1951467;1573847641;mircea_popescu;not because of what's there, but becauswe of what isn't.
1951468;1573847674;mircea_popescu;gives one a good grasp of why latin america isn't a place ; and how it's perfectly possible to have millions of people not amount to a thick strand of spit.
1951469;1573847696;mircea_popescu;an experience that can't be acquired through the livresque approach
1951470;1573847891;BingoBoingo;This is a point. The effort that goes into covering for what isn't here instead of putting in the effort to have, also a thing that has to be seen to be understood.
1951471;1573847934;mircea_popescu;playing this the other way... if you're trying to make your way out BingoBoingo , this'll take you to yurp. from london you can take thr fast train to czech republic, be there in ~a night.
1951472;1573847935;mircea_popescu;free fare.
1951473;1573847973;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: This is a point I should perhaps weigh a bit more heavily.
1951474;1573847977;mircea_popescu;but yes, very much so re effort waste ; and VERY much so re how it has to be seen to be seen./
1951475;1573848049;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: not like I don't want holidays even to visit waste in faraway lands; but that would mean first waiting for the gloriously communist ro embassy to finish futzing with the paperwork and issue my new passport so it can't happen right now anyway.
1951476;1573848071;mircea_popescu;lol you still caught in that lulz ?!
1951477;1573848112;BingoBoingo;Anyways, I don't think there's anything else that'll turn the kid away from thinking marijuana could be cool than a high season visit to Montevideo.
1951478;1573848324;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: well yes, because had mine too and they can't do both at the same time and etc; around europe I don't need it/care for it but to Montevideo I'd need it.
1951479;1573848471;mircea_popescu;possibly, yeah. i dun even know anymore,
1951480;1573848603;BingoBoingo;Uruguay nominally wants at least 90 days before the passport expires, but I imagine the airline will throw a bigger fuss than Migracciones.
1951481;1573848627;mircea_popescu;now this has universally been the case.
1951482;1573848655;diana_coman;eh, last time the Lithuanian border guard was totally disgusted because "it's too old!!!"
1951483;1573848664;BingoBoingo;Migracciones loves white people, and they especially love European white people that speak English.
1951484;1573848666;diana_coman;couldn't reject it, as it was plenty valid but...tooo old!!
1951485;1573848722;mircea_popescu;wtf all these leftover jokes doing thinking they're like countries and shit.
1951486;1573848744;mircea_popescu;"oh, lithuania". bitch, nobody asked you anything, move over. it's the great wasteland, you're a country like second life's a galaxy.
1951487;1573848850;mircea_popescu;somehow the imaginary "right" of retards to tell you how you should fuck their daughter was struck, but supposedly the imaginary "right" of retards to "border" remains ? what the fuck, it's like going about in tudor style gedups, beyond ridiculous anachronism.
1951488;1573849969;mircea_popescu;i suppose the future holds a whole boatload of jerry springer shows about border patrols.
1951489;1573851156;BingoBoingo;Well, folks still costume up in anachronism to the point many of them prefer it. Kinda the whole drag/renfair/re-enactment schtick
1951490;1573851193;mircea_popescu;yeah, but they generally understand it's performative art, they don't go home as if going to sleep. they go home as if waking up.
1951491;1573851328;BingoBoingo;Well, the line for the drag folks seems to hae disappeared as the dreamer pods started filling...
1951492;1573851344;mircea_popescu;there is that.
1951493;1573851384;BingoBoingo;Not unimaginable leftover countries lean into playing Qatar hard.
1951494;1573851401;mircea_popescu;sure, not surprising at all. just fucking ridiculous.
1951495;1573851449;mircea_popescu;[http://trilema.com/2016/dark-horse/][unemployable old fat failure] also unsurprisingly propagates "dark horse" subjective fantasy nonsense. because what's the practical alternative ?
1951496;1573857049;mircea_popescu;in other household news, coupla days ago hanbot made a pot of fasole cu ciolan (ro take on franks and bean, with smoked meat instead of whatever the fuck "franks" are anymore)
1951497;1573857065;mircea_popescu;and today, i turned the remainder into ro style refried beans. which holy hell...
1951498;1573857069;mircea_popescu;they came out fabulous.
1951499;1573859218;*;hanbot echoes this verdict from beneath a sea of beans. x_x
1951500;1573860246;mircea_popescu;lol
1951501;1573863632;hanbot;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-15#1951420 << recall those several tv channels in .cz entirely dedicated to "women standing around arguing with occasional intervention from men in 'authority' uniform" (incidentally didn't you mention this somewhere? i've been trying to find it for 20mins, fucking hell)? i don't think it's so much that people even like playing the role, per se; the public has a MAJOR fetish for it. i betcha most peop
1951502;1573863632;hanbot;le actually like being probed/questioned/authoritized. means they're important and interesting enough to warrant it.
1951503;1573863632;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-15 16:20:21 mircea_popescu: somehow the imaginary "right" of retards to tell you how you should fuck their daughter was struck, but supposedly the imaginary "right" of retards to "border" remains ? what the fuck, it's like going about in tudor style gedups, beyond ridiculous anachronism.
1951504;1573863652;mircea_popescu;possibru
1951505;1573863656;hanbot;surrogate gods that'll weigh you NOW, that's all border control is.
1951506;1573863713;mircea_popescu;deliver us our daily heaven ?
1951507;1573863739;mircea_popescu;anyway, "the public". === old women
1951508;1573863756;mircea_popescu;and yes, it's very much a will to relevancy in the irrelevant.
1951509;1573863762;hanbot;old women === 99% of "the public"
1951510;1573863780;*;hanbot mulls adding another nine tenths to that percentage.
1951511;1573863808;mircea_popescu;gotta "actualize her concerns" or how the fuck tlp put it
1951512;1573863904;hanbot;i think we had this convo before in a pair of articles [http://thewhet.net/2017/01/validation-is-available-for-all-clientele-in-the-lobby/][there] and [http://trilema.com/2017/counterfictive-validation/][here] lol.
1951513;1573864033;mircea_popescu;ha! so we did.
1951514;1573895083;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/11/more-intel-data-leak-flaws-documented-this-week-situation-particulary-grave/ << Qntra -- More Intel Data Leak Flaws Documented This Week Situation Particulary Grave
1951515;1573895113;feedbot;http://thetarpit.org/2019/mp-wp-thetarpit-tweaks << The Tar Pit -- MP-WP thetarpit tweaks
1951516;1573896474;mircea_popescu;http://dorion-mode.com/2019/11/jwrd-computing-the-why-how-what-and-way-forward/ << o look, basically it's s.nsa but perhaps with a less retarded engineer.
1951517;1573897413;mircea_popescu;and meanwhile in [http://qntra.net/2019/11/medium-com-now-fetid-cesspool-of-spam-and-malware/%23comment-147049][cesspool news], every larger turd splashing in there sends all the lesser turds into a tizzy. who knows, maybe it's their time now ?!?!?! THE TURD'S TIME TO SHINE!!!!
1951518;1573897445;mircea_popescu;who knows, if it gets cloudy, foggy an' dark enough, conceivably even turd could shine ? or at least, you couldn't accuse it of not shining ? YES ?
1951519;1573897859;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-16#1951449 - with very junior management though.
1951520;1573897860;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-16 05:34:08 mircea_popescu: http://dorion-mode.com/2019/11/jwrd-computing-the-why-how-what-and-way-forward/ << o look, basically it's s.nsa but perhaps with a less retarded engineer.
1951521;1573897958;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, there was a story recorded once, of two women that were married on the same day. one of them was married to a guy who the witness deemed too young, and the other one was sterile.
1951522;1573898013;mircea_popescu;when it comes to the marital bed, young grooms can surprise. the barren do not.
1951523;1573898040;diana_coman;it wasn't a put down, no.
1951524;1573898070;mircea_popescu;aite
1951525;1573898106;diana_coman;ftr I asked him to publish that precisely as a prerequisite to come and ask for feedback & help to grow it, that's all.
1951526;1573898290;mircea_popescu;well, ima certainly read it.
1951527;1573900025;mircea_popescu;https://duckduckgo.com/?q=site%3Aossasepia.com+aspasia&t=ffsb&ia=web << aand of course, the web search doesn't do anything besides [http://trilema.com/2015/the-mp-suicide-self-evaluation-scale/#footnote_5_59975][feeding chicken pellets],
1951528;1573900026;mircea_popescu;they got a list of like 5 things, and god help you if you're trying to find something [http://trilema.com/2013/america-and-intellectual-relevance/#footnote_0_49396][other than that]. hey diana_coman, what's your article with the woman's difficulties, (sexy, smart) pick one ?
1951529;1573900208;*;mircea_popescu found it through the mp-wp process of ossasepia.com/aspa aka "put in the first few letters of title after domain, mp-wp finds for you".
1951530;1573905593;diana_coman;aha, that auto-complete of mp-wp is very useful indeed.
1951531;1573910296;mircea_popescu;dorion, turns out i needed a coupla fail tries before i could produce a lierate comment ; plox delete them
1951532;1573910627;diana_coman;ahaha, that ayn rand ref pokes the eye very first, doesn't it; lolz.
1951533;1573910636;*;diana_coman goes to read properly.
1951534;1573911412;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/the-article-that-started-out-as-a-comment-or-paptcrhur-robinson-dorion-salutem/ << Trilema -- The article that started out as a comment, or pa&ptCrhuR Robinson Dorion salutem.
1951535;1573913796;mircea_popescu;incidentally, apparently i originally published an earlier draft ; early birds might enjoy a re-read.
1951536;1573913939;diana_coman;:P
1951537;1573913942;*;diana_coman goes to re-read
1951538;1573914006;mircea_popescu;soz
1951539;1573915151;diana_coman;heh, now it has a conclusion! but gah, it ate my html!
1951540;1573915267;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: my intended comment would be this: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=37t_ ; I don't know if it got truncated or what happened (it complains of duplicate if I try it again).
1951541;1573916099;mircea_popescu;kk will check
1951542;1573916171;*;mircea_popescu is just back from the evolution of http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-15#1951430 ; which, together with terrine de canard, dijon mustard an' anchiovies became an absolutely fucking exquisite breakfast.
1951543;1573916171;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-15 18:37:16 mircea_popescu: and today, i turned the remainder into ro style refried beans. which holy hell...
1951544;1573916324;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, is available everywhere
1951575;1574012165;ave1;and has been updated in the meantime
1951576;1574012277;ave1;The version in gcc looks outdated. I can keep it for now, I agree that dropping documentation is moving in the wrong documentation (even if it is outdated)
1951577;1574012341;ave1;O, and proposal for drop also had something to do with 5 images in there. I'll just drop those, the documentation can still be read without these.
1951578;1574012354;ave1;drop those images
1951579;1574012499;BingoBoingo;ave1: Ah. Are the languages separated enough that an arrangement like ave1 signs a remove-java.vpatch and in the odd case someone wants to turn their system into a nintendo they can do a nintendoist signs a dead end restore java.vpatch? Or are the langs far too intermingled for these cuts to be some clean.
1951580;1574012596;ave1;Good point, I don't know yet. I was think to remove these before the genesis as the whole thing ways in at 300mb or so. Plus, java and go don't even work as is.
1951581;1574012838;BingoBoingo;I don't expect GCC is even the place folks would want to run these languages if they were nintendo-izing, but I do wonder how much of a rats nest gcc is.
1951582;1574013161;mircea_popescu;i really don't see the problem with taking anything besides c/cpp/ada out
1951583;1574013376;ave1;Before or after genesis. In past for other packages this has been 'before'. But it would help to not carry around a number of mb in the genesis.
1951584;1574013414;ave1;Come to think about it, it is probably better to first estimate the mbs and complexity involved before even contemplating this question.
1951585;1574013542;diana_coman;fwiw I'd rather go with only c/cpp/ada in genesis and then if someone else wants fortran/whatevers, let them patch it on top.
1951586;1574013623;diana_coman;BingoBoingo: did you get http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-17#1951493 ?
1951587;1574013624;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-17 09:55:06 diana_coman: BingoBoingo: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=00-g
1951588;1574013682;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: I did in deed, ty
1951589;1574013693;diana_coman;cool, thanks for the ack.
1951590;1574014692;ave1;hmm, upon rereading http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-17#1951516, I should have put 'after' instead of 'before',
1951591;1574014693;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-17 14:02:37 ave1: Before or after genesis. In past for other packages this has been 'before'. But it would help to not carry around a number of mb in the genesis.
1951592;1574015553;ave1;As for current status, I have a big patch file that works as part of the build scripts. So the genesis is feasible. I could also put the build scripts (and other dependencies) in the genesis but this would need to be discussed in light of the OS setup.
1951593;1574020928;trinque;ave1: I have zero use for anything other than c, c++, ada.
1951594;1574020945;trinque;much, *much* more important than cutting those out is getting deterministic binary output.
1951595;1574021118;trinque;right now I've already got a musltronic gcc, so what'd make me care very much about yours is ^
1951596;1574021200;trinque;diana_coman: btw you'll notice items filling in at trinque.org/src over the course of the day.
1951597;1574021228;diana_coman;trinque: yay! and thanks for the ping.
1951598;1574026061;mircea_popescu;ave1, probably some selection of the build scripts is a good idea. even if we end up changing them later, afaik for all the hate nobody builds shit any other way atm
1951599;1574026100;mircea_popescu;trinque, which gcc did you musl ?
1951600;1574026118;trinque;4.9.4's the one used in cuntoo
1951601;1574026134;mircea_popescu;aha
1951602;1574026183;mircea_popescu;as to fixed binary output...i expect that'll take a whole lot of doing, there's mucho "intelligence" baked in even that comparatively early gcc ver
1951603;1574026211;*;trinque believes
1951604;1574026218;trinque;even a bit of analysis in that direction would be super userful.
1951605;1574026230;trinque;iirc ave1 was already going down that path.
1951606;1574026283;mircea_popescu;it's not even clear to me, to take this as far in theory as it goes, that once we have a literal by-hand re-written compiler it'll be absolutely deterministic. at some point it becomes a question of "branch binaries by X or carry Y spare MB with each binary"
1951607;1574026304;mircea_popescu;so imo the only sane way to approach that sadness is by progressively limiting variance in binaries.
1951608;1574026333;mircea_popescu;but yes, getting an ever clearer grasp of the shenanigans is central.
1951609;1574026457;mircea_popescu;i understand the abstract appeal of, "look here, hash1=hash2". but what this means is things such as "it is not possible to have a timestamp. AT ALL." sure, in many cases timestamps are abused / fucking stupid. but this is not "many cases", this is AT ALL.
1951610;1574031985;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/11/us-court-hits-ddos-for-hire-operator-with-mere-13-months-of-incarceration/ << Qntra -- US Court Hits DDoS For Hire Operator With Mere 13 Months Of Incarceration
1951611;1574032047;BingoBoingo;^Time period this particular pest operated is a bit interesting. August 2015 - November 2017...
1951612;1574054213;feedbot;http://bingology.net/2019/what-uruguay-doesnt-have/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- What Uruguay Doesn't Have
1951613;1574055417;feedbot;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3604 << Loper OS -- Thank you, Subscriber No. 1.
1951614;1574060903;lobbes;mircea_popescu: in updates, I've got the #trilema back-logs (back to 2016-03-28) importing into my test blog now: http://blog.ericbenevides.com/2016/03/trilema-log-for-2016-03-28/
1951615;1574060912;lobbes;I'm going to let it run during the night and will hopefully wake up to 4 years of #t logs in a blog. Feel free to poke at it and lemme know if you'd like any tweaks/edits
1951616;1574060921;lobbes;I can already see that there are some odd formatting issues with the loglines sometimes overlapping the sidebar, but that may just be caused by my own wp-mp install
1951617;1574060930;lobbes;There also appears to be an issue with the [http://blog.ericbenevides.com/2016/04/trilema-log-for-2016-04-18/?b=12:47&e=#select][line ordering] in places, but I think I know where to look for that
1951618;1574060940;*;lobbes is off to get some sleep. bbl
1951619;1574074280;mircea_popescu;lobbes, cool, ty.
1951620;1574074287;mircea_popescu;and yeah, that's the point, trial by fire as it were
1951621;1574074871;mircea_popescu;later today ima put logs up to 28th march 2016 on trilema proper then, should be fun.
1951622;1574075808;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo, you know it's punitive not punative.
1951623;1574075884;mircea_popescu;think of "the punic wars". not punac, rite.
1951624;1574088147;ave1;I'am looking for a longer description of +ev and -ev. I remember reading about it either here in the log or on trilema, but so far no luck. I.E. it seems to be missing from the 2016 thesaurus (http://trilema.com/2016/republican-thesaurus-with-vocabulary-and-dictionary/).
1951625;1574088201;ave1;and I think there was an update on that list in 2018, but I'm simply not finding it....
1951626;1574088399;dorion;ave1 http://trilema.com/republican-thesaurus/ was turned into a "page"
1951627;1574088784;ave1;dorion, thx! ev is not in that list. (and so far ev together with energy, equivalent or investment all come up empty)
1951628;1574089217;lobbes;ave1: expected value. Game theory I believe
1951629;1574089263;spyked;ave1, afaik the term is game-theoretical, i.e. given some "game" scenario involving partial information, where the agent can receive some payoff depending on its actions, it can in principle evaluate an "expected" payoff for some particular actions. since the info is partial, I'm reading "expected" here as "the most likely to occur". but I'd be curious to see a formal definition as well.
1951630;1574089270;spyked;dang, lobbes beat me to it
1951631;1574089421;*;lobbes puts pistol in holster
1951632;1574090302;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-18#1951554 << nifty. Fun is right! 365 articles per year of logs... rss feed is going to get a workout
1951633;1574090302;ericbot;Logged on 2019-11-18 11:04:36 mircea_popescu: later today ima put logs up to 28th march 2016 on trilema proper then, should be fun.
1951634;1574091116;ave1;spyked, lobbes. Thx!
1951635;1574092138;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: tyvm, fxd
1951636;1574096070;mircea_popescu;ave1, ev, Expected Value.
1951637;1574096138;mircea_popescu;possibly only ever explicited in http://trilema.com/2012/and-another-one-bites-the-dust-bitmarketeu/?b=This%20is%20how&e=prove%20it#select
1951638;1574096232;mircea_popescu;but yes, it's a concept from game theory, mosty as an cybernetics application, because people writing programs to power droid fights or whatever need to put something in the if statements, and that something's better be a scalar. this makes no particular sense besides serving that need, and so it became a tongue in cheek reference for "if one had to assign arbitrary scalar values to so and so thing"
1951639;1574104466;BingoBoingo;In other news, mebbe this is that same Buttcoin "sciencehatesyou" chick from back when expanding her rounds?
1951640;1574104471;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2019/11/medium-com-now-fetid-cesspool-of-spam-and-malware/#comment-147388
1951641;1574106265;mircea_popescu;seems too industrious for that, nfi
1951642;1574106284;mircea_popescu;of course dude gives me a very romanian "intellectual" vibe tbh.
1951643;1574106370;mircea_popescu;some kinda http://trilema.com/2011/de-ce-nu-ma-place-beranger-v4/?b=Nu%20reclamele&e=Trilema#select anger, dude keeps running into my ejaculate in his princess or w/e.
1951644;1574121791;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/11/intel-continues-burning-former-selling-points-as-it-sets-to-pull-old-firmware-downloads-offline/ << Qntra -- Intel Continues Burning Former Selling Points As It Sets To Pull Old Firmware Downloads Offline
1951645;1574163169;mircea_popescu;lobbes, incidentally, re http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-18#1951547 : you are misuing the th tag. the th tag is not a kind of td, it's a kind of tr, it's supposed to be the first tr in a table (ie, the title heading).
1951646;1574163169;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-18 03:14:48 lobbes: mircea_popescu: in updates, I've got the #trilema back-logs (back to 2016-03-28) importing into my test blog now: http://blog.ericbenevides.com/2016/03/trilema-log-for-2016-03-28/
1951647;1574163180;mircea_popescu;it can't stand as you have it atm, the leftmost column throughout the table.
1951648;1574163289;mircea_popescu;also you should probably replace the current with a where x is the implicid content column width for the blog, eg on trilema 560
1951649;1574164327;mircea_popescu;in other alt-qntra lulz, instagram banned the accounts of [https://www.xvideos.com/models/riley-reid-1][riley reid] and [http://bimbo.club/][juicy bimbo]. the "ourdemocracy" efforts towards building a "free world" cuntinue!
1951650;1574168857;feedbot;http://bimbo.club/2019/11/vienna/ << Bimbo Club -- Vienna
1951651;1574169059;diana_coman;basically they ...excommunicated her ? lolz
1951652;1574170765;nicoleci;diana_coman, yup. and they went as far as blocking the IP
1951653;1574170816;diana_coman;ahahah, what did the poor IP do!
1951654;1574170938;nicoleci;diana_coman, lol you know?! poor guy
1951655;1574171279;diana_coman;by now I start thinking it would be a lot of fun to write this sort of thing in purely religious terms because it fits so well really.
1951656;1574177263;mircea_popescu;i can't even imagine what she did, tbh.
1951657;1574177325;diana_coman;oh, I can guess: she... stood out. Too much!
1951658;1574179252;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: She probably made the North African and Indian population Facebook farms their moderation derping out to uncomfortable.
1951659;1574180128;lobbes;cults of codes of conduct
1951660;1574180134;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-19#1951578 << yeaah right you are. Not sure wtf I was thinking, but I will fix
1951661;1574180134;ericbot;Logged on 2019-11-19 11:36:15 mircea_popescu: lobbes, incidentally, re http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-18#1951547 : you are misuing the th tag. the th tag is not a kind of td, it's a kind of tr, it's supposed to be the first tr in a table (ie, the title heading).
1951662;1574180135;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-18 03:14:48 lobbes: mircea_popescu: in updates, I've got the #trilema back-logs (back to 2016-03-28) importing into my test blog now: http://blog.ericbenevides.com/2016/03/trilema-log-for-2016-03-28/
1951663;1574180141;lobbes;ditto on the table width
1951664;1574180239;lobbes;oh, and the whole "text running over the sidebar" issue does indeed seem [http://blog.ericbenevides.com/2019/11/test-table-formatting/][local to my blog]. My css is probably just borked
1951665;1574200437;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, possibry
1951666;1574200453;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo, this was instagram tho
1951667;1574200566;mircea_popescu;i suppose in the end...
1951668;1574200779;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Instagram is owned by Fartbook
1951669;1574200797;mircea_popescu;i thought it was owned by yahoo
1951670;1574200806;BingoBoingo;Facebook had to buy Instagram when Facebook stopped being cool with the kids
1951671;1574200812;BingoBoingo;Yahoo bought tumblr
1951672;1574203681;dorion;!!v FEAE55E80F7299F8D94B17DC62B6C340316427F78D3AB0575F9EA92F4BEEE6F0
1951673;1574203682;deedbot;dorion rated dorion_road 1 << my key for the road, 201911-202001
1951674;1574203842;dorion;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-16#1951490 << I'm slowly crawling out, delayed a bit by travel ^ prep , but glad to be buried in meaning rather than nonsense.
1951675;1574203843;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-16 22:58:47 mircea_popescu: diana_coman, im pleased to report i buried your guy under enough material to last him the month lulz.
1951676;1574203944;*;dorion will be more active next week, headed to the woods to deer hunt this weekend.
1951677;1574204414;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/11/as-us-higher-education-bubble-bursts-doomed-schools-push-to-hide-insolvency/ << Qntra -- As US "Higher Education" Bubble Bursts Doomed Schools Push To Hide Insolvency
1951678;1574205939;mircea_popescu;ahh, that unwind'll be fun to watch
1951679;1574205996;mircea_popescu;the social gospeltards' main instrument, crumbling into the mud, spit and bullshit it was fashioned out of. and all the righteous morons running around fixing it while denying its broken.
1951680;1574206903;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Perfect storm. New monetize the data derps versus the social gospeltards
1951681;1574221785;lobbes;mircea_popescu: In trial-by-fire updates, it turns out that mp-wp appears to barf on unicode such as " 😀 "
1951682;1574221787;lobbes;Now I've done some testing, and setting both the mysql server and the table to use the utf8mb4 character set allows the eating of such uniturds
1951683;1574221797;lobbes;My question for you is, do you ~want~ the table/database utf8 charset extended to 4 bytes to store these things? Alternatively I guess I could just strip 'em out
1951684;1574226351;trinque;heh, that was me.
1951685;1574226483;trinque;nearly done with this experiment.
1951686;1574251271;mircea_popescu;lobbes, by the uselessly vague "barf" do you mean it [http://trilema.com/2013/how-to-airgap-a-practical-guide/#comment-132388][drops the remainder of the text] in whatever chunk it sees it as part of ?
1951687;1574251361;mircea_popescu;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log-search?q=%F0%9F%98%80&chan=trilema << holy crap, look at that.
1951688;1574251461;mircea_popescu;could you replace all instances of 4byte utf with [X ((Symbolic representation of Mother Goddess / Great Inca / USG's State Corporations has been removed.))] plox ?
1951689;1574252043;diana_coman;lol, the phone users.
1951690;1574261085;feedbot;http://bvt-trace.net/2019/11/some-thought-about-the-situation-in-tmsr/ << bvt's backtrace -- Some thoughts about the situation in TMSR
1951691;1574262104;mircea_popescu;myeah
1951692;1574265174;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-20#1951619 << when I make an actual post of an article, it drops the entirety of the content I was trying to post. If I'm updating an article, it drops the entirety of additional content I was adding. Looks like your comment test behaves differently. In any case, it behaves strangely
1951693;1574265174;ericbot;Logged on 2019-11-20 12:04:40 mircea_popescu: lobbes, by the uselessly vague "barf" do you mean it [http://trilema.com/2013/how-to-airgap-a-practical-guide/#comment-132388][drops the remainder of the text] in whatever chunk it sees it as part of ?
1951694;1574265176;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-20#1951621 << With pleasure. I really hate those fucking emojiis
1951695;1574265177;ericbot;Logged on 2019-11-20 12:07:50 mircea_popescu: could you replace all instances of 4byte utf with [X ((Symbolic representation of Mother Goddess / Great Inca / USG's State Corporations has been removed.))] plox ?
1951696;1574265208;BingoBoingo;bvt: comment in your moderation hopper
1951697;1574265703;mircea_popescu;cool
1951698;1574266348;bvt;BingoBoingo: published
1951699;1574266356;BingoBoingo;bvt: tyvm
1951700;1574273917;BingoBoingo;In Bolivian sadness, 3 tons of Andean snow detained in the port of Montevideo http://archive.is/4lbSe
1951701;1574280199;diana_coman;I've moved ossasepia.com to 85.25.134.66 where I hope it will stay for longer really; please update hosts files accordingly and sorry for the repeated moves; I've updated DNS records too but those might take a while, as they do.
1951702;1574284942;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/11/more-epstein-drama-lizzie-benches-duke-of-york-guards-hit-with-charges-for-conspiracy-to-slack/ << Qntra -- More Epstein Drama: Lizzie Benches Duke Of York, Guards Hit With Charges For Conspiracy To Slack
1951703;1574291995;mircea_popescu;hanbot, you know, i think that's an excellent about page.
1951704;1574297074;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-15#1951273 << just to address this, I'm in the process of provisioning a rented server in Malaysia. Some company called [https://www.shinjiru.com/][Shinjiru]. I will keep you updated on this
1951705;1574297074;ericbot;Logged on 2019-11-15 09:42:22 mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-14#1951253 << asia or latam, ideally. the current server's in moscow, so you know...
1951706;1574297074;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-14 23:57:50 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-14#1951191 << I can take a look elsewhere, sure. Do you have a specific preference for location?
1951707;1574297075;ericbot;Logged on 2019-11-14 15:46:23 mircea_popescu: wouldja be willing to find something else ?
1951708;1574323127;diana_coman;in lolz & unexpected effects of moving blog: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-21#1011018
1951709;1574323127;ossabot;(ossasepia) 2019-11-21 Jeff78: The reason I'm interested in your project is because I saw the domain eventix.de is directed to your project. I've started my own business recently after I graduated. To take it of the ground in germany I would be in need of the domain that is now pointing to your website. Would you be open to an offer from my side?
1951710;1574323607;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-20#1951637 - ugh, I have them on my list & contacted them via email but they must-account (though they did at least say they weren't all that bothered about actual address iirc).
1951711;1574323608;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-20 20:51:14 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-15#1951273 << just to address this, I'm in the process of provisioning a rented server in Malaysia. Some company called [https://www.shinjiru.com/][Shinjiru]. I will keep you updated on this
1951712;1574323608;ericbot;Logged on 2019-11-15 09:42:22 mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-14#1951253 << asia or latam, ideally. the current server's in moscow, so you know...
1951713;1574323609;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-14 23:57:50 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-14#1951191 << I can take a look elsewhere, sure. Do you have a specific preference for location?
1951714;1574323609;ericbot;Logged on 2019-11-14 15:46:23 mircea_popescu: wouldja be willing to find something else ?
1951715;1574323617;diana_coman;bot storm!
1951716;1574330623;mircea_popescu;!!xeen trinque
1951717;1574330627;mircea_popescu;!!seen trinque
1951718;1574330628;deedbot;2019/11/20 05:08:04 nearly done with this experiment.
1951719;1574330649;mircea_popescu;trinque, looky here, i have a job that needs done and a bunch of people who are interested in helpinh with it. for the past month i've been considering you to run the doing, however as i sit here i still don't know if you are or are not going to. you've not yet put out a plan for it, you've not said if you will, you've not set a date for it, you're just making occasional, impredictable and ~useless drive-bys
1951720;1574330661;mircea_popescu;this'd be the last call.
1951721;1574331301;mircea_popescu;lobbes, sweet. insallah trilema's gonna start spitting logarticles today.
1951722;1574331321;mircea_popescu;in the end the timeline is jan 12 2012 - mar 28 2016. introductory article just published.
1951723;1574331368;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, you own eventix.de ?!
1951724;1574331391;diana_coman;no, I don't.
1951725;1574331411;mircea_popescu;um.
1951726;1574331412;diana_coman;someone left some records pointing to my new IP, what can I say; I don't... mind it.
1951727;1574331426;mircea_popescu;lol poor guy. why the fuck does he think a domain does anything
1951728;1574331438;mircea_popescu;that business ain't never getting off any "ground" it imaginary finds itself on, is it.
1951729;1574331440;diana_coman;I tried to talk to him a bit but I have no idea how much got through
1951730;1574331466;diana_coman;yeah & lots more imaginary to it but ...it's a lot to hit him with in first 5 minutes anyway
1951731;1574331480;diana_coman;he at least survived some conversation, lol.
1951732;1574331532;mircea_popescu;hehe myeah
1951733;1574331547;diana_coman;but maybe this is a better plan! move my ip every few months and watch people find me!!!
1951734;1574331736;mircea_popescu;lol
1951735;1574332123;mircea_popescu;in other news : Eulora server back online, new ip is 79.124.78.188 ; players on the last client will have to edit their data/servers.xml to reflect the new ip to be able to connect. have fun y'all!
1951736;1574332247;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in fatfinger expertises, i've managed to blank my scrollback somehow, mashing keyboard. this somehow never occured before, and holy hell is it ~distressing~
1951737;1574332260;mircea_popescu;nfi why or what difference it makes, but the reptile mind perceives it very threateningly.
1951738;1574332353;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/introducing-the-logs/ << Trilema -- Introducing the logs
1951739;1574332489;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in important policy discussions : i've been thinking about [http://bvt-trace.net/2019/11/some-thought-about-the-situation-in-tmsr/comment-page-1/#comment-92][bvt's theory], and while i can't say i'm done thinking nor much hope to ever be, here's a major problem i encounter :
1951740;1574332545;mircea_popescu;it seems to me that the only possible definition of "an os" as counterdistinct from "an app" is : a ~general purpose~ collection of software tooling which ~agnostically~ as to ulterior apps exposes fundamental, inherent functionality and limitation (mostly driven by the very hardware) in an universal, principled way.
1951741;1574332632;mircea_popescu;it seems to me that "special purpose os" is a contorted circumlocution for "an app". it futher seems to me that the proposition "hey, you know how to do the thing we don't know how to do ? let's do what we know how to do instead and call it good!" is fundamentally weak, ethically (ie, that it's not driven by anything but convenience) ; and that the "make your os for a purpose" thing is undistinguishable from it.
1951742;1574332705;mircea_popescu;moreover, that the end result will be the "discovery" (which of course "nobody could have predicted", as ethical failure ever goes) of the... need for... an os, at the "core" of all these apps. basically we'd just be moving the goalposts, after spending however long making "an os, you mean an app" we'd discover all we get for our trouble is the need to rename our os an app and write an actual os, ie, back at square one
1951743;1574332705;mircea_popescu;after however long spent with it.
1951744;1574332711;mircea_popescu;comments welcome.
1951745;1574341926;diana_coman;hm, I had to read that quite a few times to stop mixing app and os and getting confused there; I tend to think that the OS should not attempt to "for a purpose" mainly because a. still can't know it in advance and no matter how one defines it, in time it will diverge from what's needed and here we go again b. I think the hardware is more of a cause to start from. I went and re-read also spyked's previous attempts at ...
1951746;1574341932;diana_coman;... [thetarpit.org/2018/what-is-an-os/][OS definition & discussion].
1951747;1574342187;diana_coman;if I'm to see it as "os for a purpose", then I go full way and it's really machine-for-a-purpose, from hardware up, everything; basically there is no universal computer at all in reality, only various degrees of trying to fit an average (at best) to all sorts of outliers.
1951748;1574345153;hanbot;inasmuch as you can't ever completely specify the future, an attempt to state the purpose of an operating system is doomed to fail either by getting something wrong, or by self-limiting solely for the sake of avoiding the first failure prong. i don't see a third path. if honestly all you wanted the os to do was peel eggs you'd make an egg peeler application, not a kitchen; an "egg peeler os" is the second failure prong, even if it's gloriously fr
1951749;1574345153;hanbot;ee of extraniety.
1951750;1574345168;hanbot;i don't know what's wrong with conceiving an os from the known universe at the time of its conception. you have a manifest of ideals and ideas in there, as you necessarily do in your head, and when it changes you're stuck patching. the os should be for a cause, then, but i don't know why the cause(s) can't be explicitly stated, and structured, so you have a tree of reason and not just results. there's no such thing as general purpose, but there i
1951751;1574345169;hanbot;s such a thing as general reason, the role of people towards machines being the translation between the two, in the first place.
1951752;1574345201;trinque;to say nothing of the actual economics of producing and maintaining such a complex item.
1951753;1574345228;trinque;mircea_popescu: it was a little over one week ago I discussed with you wtf you even want re: ^
1951754;1574345266;trinque;the thing I was doing with deedbot was getting a ticket tracker together so this could actually be managed
1951755;1574345341;trinque;you spat on my notion of consulting business, and now you spit on how fast the thing's coming together
1951756;1574345370;trinque;I'll be back whenever I'm back.
1951757;1574345878;diana_coman;trinque: nobody knew what you were doing and that's the problem as far as I see it, not the timeframe.
1951758;1574346781;BingoBoingo;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-21#1951673 << I've been trying to avoid argument by analogy and metaphor as part of [http://thewhet.net/2019/11/reading-ossasepia-logs-or-my-jig-is-up/#comment-55418][the post-sadness housecleaning], but I'm not finding a better way to describe my understanding of what an OS is outside of it being the tooling and the organization of that tooling that transforms a warehouse (the computer
1951759;1574346781;BingoBoingo;hardware) into a workshop.
1951760;1574346782;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-21 06:42:27 mircea_popescu: it seems to me that the only possible definition of "an os" as counterdistinct from "an app" is : a ~general purpose~ collection of software tooling which ~agnostically~ as to ulterior apps exposes fundamental, inherent functionality and limitation (mostly driven by the very hardware) in an universal, principled way.
1951761;1574347082;mircea_popescu;trinque, what's a ticket tracker ?
1951762;1574347144;mircea_popescu;i dunno where all this spitting's happening ; i also dunno why you're so committed to poor quality communication as an ongoing thing, but at this point whatevers. be back when you're back and all that.
1951763;1574347519;mircea_popescu;!!withdraw 23 186pzRqFXrYD5XwJ5Fh1K6twLDHSBLa5yh
1951764;1574347529;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=ZJSj
1951765;1574347688;mircea_popescu;!!v 69BD32F99C0C859DDAB983CD1DE08766C27D54F8913FE2812167BC05B20AD5CB
1951766;1574347719;deedbot;http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=u90G
1951767;1574347963;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo, hanbot the problem with your approach is actionability, i expect.
1951768;1574348263;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Yeah, leads to identifying "what an OS is" to an "I know it when I see it" situation
1951769;1574348272;mircea_popescu;something like that
1951770;1574349525;BingoBoingo;It's for sure not enough to start designing anything.
1951771;1574350899;mircea_popescu;in other wtf, awk does not have a native date increment ; people do insane shit like awk -F"\",\"" '{cmd="date -d \"$(date -d \""$0"\")+10days\" \"+%Y-%m-%d %T\"";cmd | getline datum; close(cmd); print $0 ",\""datum"\""}' test.csv > test-increment-10days.csv
1951772;1574350902;mircea_popescu;holy fuck wat.
1951773;1574356978;feedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2019/11/21/from-my-hiking-archives/ << Ossa Sepia -- From My Hiking Archives
1951774;1574358556;mircea_popescu;lobbes, [http://trilema.com/2019/introducing-the-logs/#comment-132410][arrived here], it's really high time we compared notes. i have that bash thing that takes out the relevant bits in my log format and forms proper lines out of them ; it also chunks up the file by date correctly. now, how do you do the sql etc ? you have all this already so i don't have to re-do it i expect ?
1951775;1574378079;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/11/warranty-concerns-and-contract-cruft-keep-us-military-machine-shops-idle-as-repairs-forced-through-contractors/ << Qntra -- Warranty Concerns And Contract Cruft Keep US Military Machine Shops Idle As Repairs Forced Through Contractors
1951776;1574378967;BingoBoingo;In local news, the night of November 24th, election night... Bus Driver's will be striking
1951777;1574379161;BingoBoingo;Los sindicatos de Coetc y Ucot informaran que realizarían un paro el domingo 24 en el turno nocturno por "motivos de seguridad"
1951778;1574380833;lobbes;http://trilema.com/2019/introducing-the-logs/#comment-132414 << sounds good. I'll be around tonight; available tomorrow ~same time; unavailable most of sat; available all day/night sunday
1951779;1574381805;mircea_popescu;cool
1951780;1574381810;mircea_popescu;lobbes,
1951781;1574382520;lobbes;mircea_popescu: in any case, tonight I plan to throw together a quick article of my notes
1951782;1574384835;mircea_popescu;cool
1951783;1574390471;mircea_popescu;http://www.krankendenken.com/2019/10/the-cod/#comment-151 << check out the weird spam
1951784;1574392685;lobbes;better than the usual variety at least
1951785;1574397597;feedbot;http://www.krankendenken.com/2019/11/notes-on-importing-log-archives-into-mp-wp/ << Krankendenken -- Notes on importing log archives into mp wp
1951786;1574423003;jurov;!!v 1A1A521CB99A5FC38DEFB30DA1A6193802F8EA752508F1B042947AA8853344DD
1951787;1574423015;deedbot;jurov paid asccilifeform invoice 1
1951788;1574426120;mircea_popescu;lobbes, thats true
1951789;1574426270;mircea_popescu;!!rate asciilifeform 2 if what you need done happens to be what he feels like doing that day he'll probably make you an excellent piece. if not, there's no recourse, and you can;t establish this until after the fact, he;s utterly canine in his use of language.
1951790;1574426272;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=DkrJ
1951791;1574426290;mircea_popescu;!!rate asciilifeform 2 if what you need done happens to be what he feels like doing that day he'll probably make you an excellent piece. if not, there's no recourse, and you can't establish this until after the fact, he's utterly canine in his use of language.
1951792;1574426291;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=Z8rz
1951793;1574426363;mircea_popescu;!!rate apeloyee -1 more of dat speshul manalone sauce.
1951794;1574426364;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=CZzq
1951795;1574426382;mircea_popescu;!!rate esthlos -1 more of dat speshul manalone sauce.
1951796;1574426384;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=A16c
1951797;1574428012;diana_coman;!!v 0009656644510BA7A45DA27BC6A693866E7CCDA3D87E9DAC39D82ADE4069D01D
1951798;1574428016;deedbot;diana_coman paid asciilifeform invoice 1
1951799;1574433324;feedbot;http://thewhet.net/2019/11/a-little-about-transactional-analysis/ << The Whet -- A little about transactional analysis.
1951800;1574435888;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in haremalia, "remind me when you take your muffins out of the oven, i've made brandied persimmons yesterday"
1951801;1574435970;BingoBoingo;Nice
1951802;1574445408;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/hurr-durr-derp-itty/ << Trilema -- Forum logs, 12 Jan 2012
1951803;1574463176;mircea_popescu;heh
1951804;1574463426;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-12-jan-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs, 12 Jan 2012
1951805;1574465884;hanbot;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-22#1951724 << what's canine use of language, ftr?
1951806;1574465885;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-22 08:44:59 mircea_popescu: !!rate asciilifeform 2 if what you need done happens to be what he feels like doing that day he'll probably make you an excellent piece. if not, there's no recourse, and you can't establish this until after the fact, he's utterly canine in his use of language.
1951807;1574466022;BingoBoingo;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log-search?q=beedog&chan=trilema
1951808;1574466065;BingoBoingo;particularly http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2017-04-19#1646023
1951809;1574466065;ossabot;Logged on 2017-04-19 11:33:43 mircea_popescu: the problem with this is that it won't allow you to see engineer-politicians, which is ALSO not compartimentalizable : it will force you to beedog, ie, not become as good as expression and telling women's original haircolor as you could, on the basis of your genetics say, actually be.
1951810;1574466081;nicoleci;BingoBoingo, http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=HA_C
1951811;1574466198;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/11/lizzys-queendom-defies-mauritius-and-united-nations-to-continue-illegal-occupation-of-chagos-islands/ << Qntra -- Lizzy's Queendom Defies Mauritius And United Nations To Continue Illegal Occupation Of Chagos Islands
1951812;1574466215;mircea_popescu;hanbot, a dog will agree with on the basis of how much he likes you, not on the basis of what you're saying.
1951813;1574466242;BingoBoingo;nicoleci: Could you please sign the instructions?
1951814;1574467183;hanbot;mircea_popescu there's maybe some complications in terms of how much he likes you because of what you're saying, but i see.
1951815;1574468870;nicoleci;BingoBoingo, http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=bDXK
1951816;1574469025;BingoBoingo;nicoleci: ty, give it a try
1951817;1574469198;nicoleci;BingoBoingo, tried and received the message: Agent admitted failure to sign using the key.
1951818;1574469198;nicoleci;Permission denied (publickey,gssapi-keyex,gssapi-with-mic).
1951819;1574469445;BingoBoingo;nicoleci: try again, but this time put on the command line: SSH_AUTH_SOCK=0 ssh you@serveryouaretryingtoreach
1951820;1574469586;nicoleci;BingoBoingo, got it - tyvm!
1951821;1574469723;BingoBoingo;nicoleci: You've got desktop weird intruding on your workflow. There's a helper program that was trying to be "smart" for you.
1951822;1574469830;nicoleci;BingoBoingo, ugh.. thanks for letting me know will look into the intrusiveness
1951823;1574469988;BingoBoingo;nicoleci: You probably can't afford the time to go full on ascetic putting together a "cleanest" possible linux, but the first couple things that popped up when I looked for "What causes this awful error" were all gnome related.
1951824;1574470202;nicoleci;BingoBoingo, yeah and i suppose this is actually the cost for updating ubuntu.
1951825;1574470419;BingoBoingo;nicoleci: Or for picking the flavor with Gnome as the desktop. The gnome folks drive much of the "linux gets worse every year" mess that makes a tmsr os rather high on the list of necessities.
1951826;1574470486;BingoBoingo;Or the list of faltas
1951827;1574470861;nicoleci;BingoBoingo, yes it does! i can't wait to see how progression develops/end result
1951828;1574470990;BingoBoingo;nicoleci: I've long ago settled on XFCE as my balance between "sometime point and click offload pressure on my brainbox" versus "I don't want to subject myself to engineers constantly breaking everything"
1951829;1574471151;BingoBoingo;Every linux/bsd/etc I've run it on top of works with a minimum of fiddling.
1951830;1574471297;nicoleci;BingoBoingo, ah okay - will check it out. my knowledge of what makes a proper os is still very noobish.
1951831;1574471357;BingoBoingo;nicoleci: I think Ubuntu even has a flavor that uses XFCE instead of the Gnome crap they replaced their old thing only they used
1951832;1574471475;BingoBoingo;With that you'd still have Ubuntu under the hood, but hopefully less of the stuff that gets in the way because "Gotta win the desktop for Linux by rebuilding Windows, but more broken"
1951833;1574471506;BingoBoingo;nicoleci: I recommend asking hanbot what she uses to her her boxes.
1951834;1574471514;BingoBoingo;*herd her boxes
1951835;1574471723;*;hanbot uses death rattles and mournful sighs, for the most part.
1951836;1574471749;hanbot;anyway nicoleci is on a semi-public toilet sorta scheme, iirc, as she works towards understanding why she'd rather not be
1951837;1574471768;hanbot;for which the above is a useful lesson.
1951838;1574471911;BingoBoingo;That's kinda what I figured. Now that Adobe Flash is dead and buried, is there anywhere on the toilet-web/appverse that doesn't at least appear to work on Chromium?
1951839;1574472335;hanbot;BingoBoingo I haven't touched it --possibly mircea_popescu fiddled in there during [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-06-01#1916520][his recent game box adventure], but possibly not even.
1951840;1574472335;ossabot;Logged on 2019-06-01 08:46:10 mircea_popescu: i wanted to try the outside world
1951841;1574472435;BingoBoingo;hanbot: From what I've seen the outside world seems to have shrank considerably while trying very hard to appear to have grown.
1951842;1574472808;hanbot;well it's certainly grown in terms of needlessly complex stupidity and cosmetic optionality devoid of substantial difference. it can't grow if nobody remembers what it's for and why it goes a certain way, except for a scant few with entirely other sets of problems.
1951843;1574473253;BingoBoingo;I far as I can tell the space narrowed to 1. Folks developing for fondleslabs 2. Folks developing for Chrome/Chromium/Webkit 3. Folks developing from the increasingly fractured 3Dgame/steam space and settling for whatever nintendos call themselves today
1951844;1574473663;hanbot;lol i was actually innocent of "fondleslabs". but yeah, gotta ensure mass adoption yadda yadda. i wonder if it's telling, your triad of oses-for-purposes, to go right back to http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-21#1951674
1951845;1574473664;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-21 06:43:55 mircea_popescu: it seems to me that "special purpose os" is a contorted circumlocution for "an app". it futher seems to me that the proposition "hey, you know how to do the thing we don't know how to do ? let's do what we know how to do instead and call it good!" is fundamentally weak, ethically (ie, that it's not driven by anything but convenience) ; and that the "make your os for a purpose" thing is undistinguishable from it
1951846;1574473902;BingoBoingo;hanbot: Right. And this triad is a substantial narrowing from back in the day when Macromedia/Adobe Flash/shockwave were... different things. Microsoft shat out a .Net/Silverlight/etc every other year, etc
1951847;1574474501;hanbot;honing in on the bulk of demands being "plays candy crush, orders takeout, rounds corners"
1951848;1574475481;BingoBoingo;Also the padded walled gardens that don't want juicy bimbos
1951849;1574477712;hanbot;lol those too
1951850;1574477737;*;hanbot crashing before dawn hits over here
1951851;1574493999;mircea_popescu;i guess this is a point, not so much walled gardens as padded reservations.
1951852;1574494026;mircea_popescu;as in, "do you have your reservations ?" "o boy howdy do i! i have reservations about everything!!!" "right this way please, you'll fit right in!"
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1951855;1574501244;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-22#1951764 - XUbuntu, yes.
1951856;1574501245;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-22 21:16:09 BingoBoingo: nicoleci: I think Ubuntu even has a flavor that uses XFCE instead of the Gnome crap they replaced their old thing only they used
1951857;1574501278;diana_coman;and there's a quite minimal version that I used to install without any trouble really.
1951858;1574507525;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in indian lulz, https://github.com/sLaNGjI/wp-missed-schedule/blob/master/important-warning-read-me-asap.txt
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1951864;1574517772;mircea_popescu;the horror ; it has begun.
1951865;1574517788;mircea_popescu;i expect it will be done ~tomorrow. see y'all then!
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1951914;1574522095;mircea_popescu;gah
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1951924;1574524651;mircea_popescu;aite, back on the horseback.
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1951988;1574528528;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-23-mar-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 23 Mar 2012
1951989;1574528668;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-30-mar-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 30 Mar 2012
1951990;1574528670;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-29-mar-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 29 Mar 2012
1951991;1574528672;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-28-mar-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 28 Mar 2012
1951992;1574528734;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-27-mar-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 27 Mar 2012
1951993;1574528934;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-03-apr-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 03 Apr 2012
1951994;1574528936;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-02-apr-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 02 Apr 2012
1951995;1574528938;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-01-apr-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 01 Apr 2012
1951996;1574529000;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-31-mar-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 31 Mar 2012
1951997;1574529140;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-07-apr-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 07 Apr 2012
1951998;1574529142;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-06-apr-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 06 Apr 2012
1951999;1574529144;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-05-apr-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 05 Apr 2012
1952000;1574529206;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-04-apr-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 04 Apr 2012
1952001;1574529406;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-11-apr-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 11 Apr 2012
1952002;1574529408;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-10-apr-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 10 Apr 2012
1952003;1574529410;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-09-apr-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 09 Apr 2012
1952004;1574529472;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-08-apr-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 08 Apr 2012
1952005;1574529616;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-15-apr-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 15 Apr 2012
1952006;1574529618;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-14-apr-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 14 Apr 2012
1952007;1574529620;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-13-apr-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 13 Apr 2012
1952008;1574529682;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-12-apr-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 12 Apr 2012
1952009;1574529891;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-20-apr-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 20 Apr 2012
1952010;1574529893;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-19-apr-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 19 Apr 2012
1952011;1574529895;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-18-apr-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 18 Apr 2012
1952012;1574529957;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-17-apr-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 17 Apr 2012
1952013;1574529959;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-16-apr-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 16 Apr 2012
1952014;1574530099;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-24-apr-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 24 Apr 2012
1952015;1574530101;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-23-apr-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 23 Apr 2012
1952016;1574530103;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-22-apr-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 22 Apr 2012
1952017;1574530165;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-21-apr-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 21 Apr 2012
1952018;1574530365;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-28-apr-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 28 Apr 2012
1952019;1574530367;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-27-apr-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 27 Apr 2012
1952020;1574530369;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-26-apr-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 26 Apr 2012
1952021;1574530431;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-25-apr-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 25 Apr 2012
1952022;1574530571;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-02-may-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 02 May 2012
1952023;1574530573;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-01-may-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 01 May 2012
1952024;1574530575;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-29-apr-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 29 Apr 2012
1952025;1574530856;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-06-may-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 06 May 2012
1952026;1574530858;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-05-may-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 05 May 2012
1952027;1574530860;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-04-may-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 04 May 2012
1952028;1574530922;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-03-may-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 03 May 2012
1952029;1574531058;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-11-may-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 11 May 2012
1952030;1574531060;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-10-may-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 10 May 2012
1952031;1574531062;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-09-may-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 09 May 2012
1952032;1574531124;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-08-may-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 08 May 2012
1952033;1574531126;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-07-may-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 07 May 2012
1952034;1574531335;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-15-may-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 15 May 2012
1952035;1574531337;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-14-may-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 14 May 2012
1952036;1574531339;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-13-may-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 13 May 2012
1952037;1574531401;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-12-may-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 12 May 2012
1952038;1574531541;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-19-may-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 19 May 2012
1952039;1574531543;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-18-may-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 18 May 2012
1952040;1574531545;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-17-may-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 17 May 2012
1952041;1574531607;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-16-may-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 16 May 2012
1952042;1574531808;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-23-may-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 23 May 2012
1952043;1574531810;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-22-may-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 22 May 2012
1952044;1574531812;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-21-may-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 21 May 2012
1952045;1574531874;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-20-may-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 20 May 2012
1952046;1574532014;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-27-may-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 27 May 2012
1952047;1574532016;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-26-may-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 26 May 2012
1952048;1574532018;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-25-may-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 25 May 2012
1952049;1574532080;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-24-may-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 24 May 2012
1952050;1574532289;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-01-jun-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 01 Jun 2012
1952051;1574532291;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-31-may-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 31 May 2012
1952052;1574532293;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-30-may-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 30 May 2012
1952053;1574532355;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-29-may-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 29 May 2012
1952054;1574532357;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-28-may-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 28 May 2012
1952055;1574532497;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-05-jun-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 05 Jun 2012
1952056;1574532499;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-04-jun-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 04 Jun 2012
1952057;1574532501;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-03-jun-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 03 Jun 2012
1952058;1574532563;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-02-jun-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 02 Jun 2012
1952059;1574532763;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-09-jun-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 09 Jun 2012
1952060;1574532765;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-08-jun-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 08 Jun 2012
1952061;1574532767;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-07-jun-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 07 Jun 2012
1952062;1574532829;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-06-jun-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 06 Jun 2012
1952063;1574532969;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-13-jun-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 13 Jun 2012
1952064;1574532971;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-12-jun-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 12 Jun 2012
1952065;1574532973;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-11-jun-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 11 Jun 2012
1952066;1574533035;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-10-jun-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 10 Jun 2012
1952067;1574533235;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-17-jun-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 17 Jun 2012
1952068;1574533237;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-16-jun-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 16 Jun 2012
1952069;1574533239;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-15-jun-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 15 Jun 2012
1952070;1574533301;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-14-jun-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 14 Jun 2012
1952071;1574533441;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-21-jun-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 21 Jun 2012
1952072;1574533443;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-20-jun-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 20 Jun 2012
1952073;1574533445;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-19-jun-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 19 Jun 2012
1952074;1574533507;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-18-jun-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 18 Jun 2012
1952075;1574533647;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-25-jun-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 25 Jun 2012
1952076;1574533649;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-24-jun-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 24 Jun 2012
1952077;1574533651;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-23-jun-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 23 Jun 2012
1952078;1574533713;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-22-jun-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 22 Jun 2012
1952079;1574533913;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-29-jun-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 29 Jun 2012
1952080;1574533915;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-28-jun-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 28 Jun 2012
1952081;1574533917;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-27-jun-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 27 Jun 2012
1952082;1574533979;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-26-jun-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 26 Jun 2012
1952083;1574534119;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-03-jul-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 03 Jul 2012
1952084;1574534121;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-02-jul-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 02 Jul 2012
1952085;1574534123;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-01-jul-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 01 Jul 2012
1952086;1574534185;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-30-jun-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 30 Jun 2012
1952087;1574534394;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-08-jul-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 08 Jul 2012
1952088;1574534396;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-07-jul-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 07 Jul 2012
1952089;1574534398;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-06-jul-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 06 Jul 2012
1952090;1574534460;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-05-jul-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 05 Jul 2012
1952091;1574534462;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-04-jul-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 04 Jul 2012
1952092;1574534602;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-12-jul-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 12 Jul 2012
1952093;1574534604;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-11-jul-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 11 Jul 2012
1952094;1574534606;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-10-jul-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 10 Jul 2012
1952095;1574534668;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-09-jul-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 09 Jul 2012
1952096;1574534868;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-16-jul-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 16 Jul 2012
1952097;1574534870;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-15-jul-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 15 Jul 2012
1952098;1574534872;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-14-jul-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 14 Jul 2012
1952099;1574534934;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-13-jul-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 13 Jul 2012
1952100;1574535075;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-20-jul-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 20 Jul 2012
1952101;1574535076;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-19-jul-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 19 Jul 2012
1952102;1574535079;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-18-jul-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 18 Jul 2012
1952103;1574535140;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-17-jul-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 17 Jul 2012
1952104;1574535341;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-24-jul-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 24 Jul 2012
1952105;1574535343;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-23-jul-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 23 Jul 2012
1952106;1574535345;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-22-jul-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 22 Jul 2012
1952107;1574535407;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-21-jul-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 21 Jul 2012
1952108;1574535547;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-29-jul-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 29 Jul 2012
1952109;1574535549;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-28-jul-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 28 Jul 2012
1952110;1574535551;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-27-jul-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 27 Jul 2012
1952111;1574535613;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-26-jul-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 26 Jul 2012
1952112;1574535615;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-25-jul-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 25 Jul 2012
1952113;1574535824;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-02-aug-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 02 Aug 2012
1952114;1574535826;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-01-aug-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 01 Aug 2012
1952115;1574535828;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-31-jul-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 31 Jul 2012
1952116;1574535890;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-30-jul-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 30 Jul 2012
1952117;1574536030;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-06-aug-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 06 Aug 2012
1952118;1574536032;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-05-aug-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 05 Aug 2012
1952119;1574536034;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-04-aug-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 04 Aug 2012
1952120;1574536096;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-03-aug-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 03 Aug 2012
1952121;1574536296;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-10-aug-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 10 Aug 2012
1952122;1574536298;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-09-aug-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 09 Aug 2012
1952123;1574536300;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-08-aug-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 08 Aug 2012
1952124;1574536362;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-07-aug-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 07 Aug 2012
1952125;1574536502;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-14-aug-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 14 Aug 2012
1952126;1574536504;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-13-aug-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 13 Aug 2012
1952127;1574536506;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-12-aug-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 12 Aug 2012
1952128;1574536568;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-11-aug-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 11 Aug 2012
1952129;1574536768;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-18-aug-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 18 Aug 2012
1952130;1574536770;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-17-aug-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 17 Aug 2012
1952131;1574536772;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-16-aug-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 16 Aug 2012
1952132;1574536834;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-15-aug-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 15 Aug 2012
1952133;1574536974;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-22-aug-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 22 Aug 2012
1952134;1574536976;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-21-aug-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 21 Aug 2012
1952135;1574536978;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-20-aug-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 20 Aug 2012
1952136;1574537040;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-19-aug-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 19 Aug 2012
1952137;1574537240;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-26-aug-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 26 Aug 2012
1952138;1574537242;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-25-aug-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 25 Aug 2012
1952139;1574537244;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-24-aug-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 24 Aug 2012
1952140;1574537306;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-23-aug-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 23 Aug 2012
1952141;1574537506;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-30-aug-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 30 Aug 2012
1952142;1574537508;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-29-aug-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 29 Aug 2012
1952143;1574537510;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-28-aug-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 28 Aug 2012
1952144;1574537572;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-27-aug-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 27 Aug 2012
1952145;1574537712;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-03-sep-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 03 Sep 2012
1952146;1574537714;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-02-sep-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 02 Sep 2012
1952147;1574537716;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-01-sep-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 01 Sep 2012
1952148;1574537778;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-31-aug-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 31 Aug 2012
1952149;1574537978;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-07-sep-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 07 Sep 2012
1952150;1574537980;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-06-sep-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 06 Sep 2012
1952151;1574537982;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-05-sep-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 05 Sep 2012
1952152;1574538044;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-04-sep-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 04 Sep 2012
1952153;1574538184;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-11-sep-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 11 Sep 2012
1952154;1574538186;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-10-sep-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 10 Sep 2012
1952155;1574538188;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-09-sep-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 09 Sep 2012
1952156;1574538250;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-08-sep-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 08 Sep 2012
1952157;1574538450;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-15-sep-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 15 Sep 2012
1952158;1574538452;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-14-sep-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 14 Sep 2012
1952159;1574538454;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-13-sep-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 13 Sep 2012
1952160;1574538516;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-12-sep-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 12 Sep 2012
1952161;1574538657;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-19-sep-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 19 Sep 2012
1952162;1574538658;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-18-sep-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 18 Sep 2012
1952163;1574538660;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-17-sep-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 17 Sep 2012
1952164;1574538722;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-16-sep-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 16 Sep 2012
1952165;1574538923;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-23-sep-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 23 Sep 2012
1952166;1574538925;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-22-sep-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 22 Sep 2012
1952167;1574538927;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-21-sep-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 21 Sep 2012
1952168;1574538988;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-20-sep-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 20 Sep 2012
1952169;1574539129;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-26-sep-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 26 Sep 2012
1952170;1574539131;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-25-sep-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 25 Sep 2012
1952171;1574539133;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-24-sep-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 24 Sep 2012
1952172;1574539393;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-30-sep-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 30 Sep 2012
1952173;1574539395;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-29-sep-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 29 Sep 2012
1952174;1574539397;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-28-sep-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 28 Sep 2012
1952175;1574539459;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-27-sep-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 27 Sep 2012
1952176;1574539599;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-04-oct-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 04 Oct 2012
1952177;1574539601;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-03-oct-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 03 Oct 2012
1952178;1574539603;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-02-oct-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 02 Oct 2012
1952179;1574539665;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-01-oct-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 01 Oct 2012
1952180;1574539865;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-09-oct-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 09 Oct 2012
1952181;1574539867;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-08-oct-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 08 Oct 2012
1952182;1574539869;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-07-oct-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 07 Oct 2012
1952183;1574539931;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-06-oct-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 06 Oct 2012
1952184;1574539933;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-05-oct-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 05 Oct 2012
1952185;1574540073;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-13-oct-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 13 Oct 2012
1952186;1574540075;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-12-oct-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 12 Oct 2012
1952187;1574540077;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-11-oct-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 11 Oct 2012
1952188;1574540139;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-10-oct-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 10 Oct 2012
1952189;1574540339;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-17-oct-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 17 Oct 2012
1952190;1574540341;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-16-oct-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 16 Oct 2012
1952191;1574540343;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-15-oct-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 15 Oct 2012
1952192;1574540405;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-14-oct-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 14 Oct 2012
1952193;1574540545;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-21-oct-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 21 Oct 2012
1952194;1574540547;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-20-oct-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 20 Oct 2012
1952195;1574540549;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-19-oct-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 19 Oct 2012
1952196;1574540611;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-18-oct-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 18 Oct 2012
1952197;1574540811;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-25-oct-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 25 Oct 2012
1952198;1574540813;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-24-oct-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 24 Oct 2012
1952199;1574540815;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-23-oct-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 23 Oct 2012
1952200;1574540877;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-22-oct-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 22 Oct 2012
1952201;1574541017;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-29-oct-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 29 Oct 2012
1952202;1574541019;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-28-oct-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 28 Oct 2012
1952203;1574541021;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-27-oct-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 27 Oct 2012
1952204;1574541083;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-26-oct-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 26 Oct 2012
1952205;1574541283;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-02-nov-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 02 Nov 2012
1952206;1574541285;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-01-nov-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 01 Nov 2012
1952207;1574541287;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-31-oct-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 31 Oct 2012
1952208;1574541349;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-30-oct-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 30 Oct 2012
1952209;1574541489;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-06-nov-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 06 Nov 2012
1952210;1574541491;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-05-nov-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 05 Nov 2012
1952211;1574541493;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-04-nov-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 04 Nov 2012
1952212;1574541501;jfw;mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo: trinque appears to have solved the problem with my deedbot wallet account but any previous attempts at invoicing didn't make it through. Should be clear to retry now.
1952213;1574541555;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-03-nov-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 03 Nov 2012
1952214;1574541590;BingoBoingo;jfw ty for the update
1952215;1574541764;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-10-nov-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 10 Nov 2012
1952216;1574541766;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-09-nov-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 09 Nov 2012
1952217;1574541768;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-08-nov-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 08 Nov 2012
1952218;1574541830;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-07-nov-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 07 Nov 2012
1952219;1574541970;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-15-nov-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 15 Nov 2012
1952220;1574541972;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-14-nov-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 14 Nov 2012
1952221;1574541974;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-13-nov-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 13 Nov 2012
1952222;1574542036;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-12-nov-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 12 Nov 2012
1952223;1574542038;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-11-nov-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 11 Nov 2012
1952224;1574542238;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-19-nov-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 19 Nov 2012
1952225;1574542240;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-18-nov-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 18 Nov 2012
1952226;1574542242;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-17-nov-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 17 Nov 2012
1952227;1574542304;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-16-nov-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 16 Nov 2012
1952228;1574542445;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-23-nov-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 23 Nov 2012
1952229;1574542446;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-22-nov-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 22 Nov 2012
1952230;1574542449;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-21-nov-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 21 Nov 2012
1952231;1574542511;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-20-nov-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 20 Nov 2012
1952232;1574542711;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-27-nov-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 27 Nov 2012
1952233;1574542713;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-26-nov-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 26 Nov 2012
1952234;1574542715;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-25-nov-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 25 Nov 2012
1952235;1574542777;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-24-nov-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 24 Nov 2012
1952236;1574542917;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-01-dec-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 01 Dec 2012
1952237;1574542919;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-30-nov-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 30 Nov 2012
1952238;1574542921;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-29-nov-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 29 Nov 2012
1952239;1574542983;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-28-nov-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 28 Nov 2012
1952240;1574543183;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-05-dec-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 05 Dec 2012
1952241;1574543185;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-04-dec-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 04 Dec 2012
1952242;1574543187;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-03-dec-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 03 Dec 2012
1952243;1574543249;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-02-dec-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 02 Dec 2012
1952244;1574543389;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-09-dec-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 09 Dec 2012
1952245;1574543391;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-08-dec-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 08 Dec 2012
1952246;1574543393;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-07-dec-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 07 Dec 2012
1952247;1574543455;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-06-dec-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 06 Dec 2012
1952248;1574543655;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-13-dec-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 13 Dec 2012
1952249;1574543657;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-12-dec-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 12 Dec 2012
1952250;1574543659;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-11-dec-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 11 Dec 2012
1952251;1574543721;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-10-dec-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 10 Dec 2012
1952252;1574543861;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-17-dec-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 17 Dec 2012
1952253;1574543863;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-16-dec-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 16 Dec 2012
1952254;1574543865;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-15-dec-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 15 Dec 2012
1952255;1574543927;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-14-dec-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 14 Dec 2012
1952256;1574544136;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-21-dec-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 21 Dec 2012
1952257;1574544138;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-20-dec-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 20 Dec 2012
1952258;1574544140;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-19-dec-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 19 Dec 2012
1952259;1574544202;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-18-dec-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 18 Dec 2012
1952260;1574544346;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-26-dec-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 26 Dec 2012
1952261;1574544348;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-25-dec-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 25 Dec 2012
1952262;1574544350;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-24-dec-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 24 Dec 2012
1952263;1574544412;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-23-dec-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 23 Dec 2012
1952264;1574544414;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-22-dec-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 22 Dec 2012
1952265;1574544623;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-30-dec-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 30 Dec 2012
1952266;1574544625;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-29-dec-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 29 Dec 2012
1952267;1574544627;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-28-dec-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 28 Dec 2012
1952268;1574544689;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-27-dec-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 27 Dec 2012
1952269;1574544829;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-03-jan-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 03 Jan 2013
1952270;1574544831;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-02-jan-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 02 Jan 2013
1952271;1574544833;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-01-jan-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 01 Jan 2013
1952272;1574544895;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-31-dec-2012/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 31 Dec 2012
1952273;1574545095;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-07-jan-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 07 Jan 2013
1952274;1574545097;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-06-jan-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 06 Jan 2013
1952275;1574545099;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-05-jan-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 05 Jan 2013
1952276;1574545161;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-04-jan-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 04 Jan 2013
1952277;1574545301;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-11-jan-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 11 Jan 2013
1952278;1574545303;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-10-jan-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 10 Jan 2013
1952279;1574545305;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-09-jan-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 09 Jan 2013
1952280;1574545367;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-08-jan-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 08 Jan 2013
1952281;1574545567;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-15-jan-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 15 Jan 2013
1952282;1574545569;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-14-jan-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 14 Jan 2013
1952283;1574545571;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-13-jan-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 13 Jan 2013
1952284;1574545633;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-12-jan-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 12 Jan 2013
1952285;1574545773;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-19-jan-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 19 Jan 2013
1952286;1574545775;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-18-jan-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 18 Jan 2013
1952287;1574545777;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-17-jan-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 17 Jan 2013
1952288;1574545839;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-16-jan-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 16 Jan 2013
1952289;1574546039;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-23-jan-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 23 Jan 2013
1952290;1574546041;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-22-jan-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 22 Jan 2013
1952291;1574546043;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-21-jan-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 21 Jan 2013
1952292;1574546105;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-20-jan-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 20 Jan 2013
1952293;1574546306;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-27-jan-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 27 Jan 2013
1952294;1574546308;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-26-jan-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 26 Jan 2013
1952295;1574546310;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-25-jan-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 25 Jan 2013
1952296;1574546372;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-24-jan-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 24 Jan 2013
1952297;1574546512;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-31-jan-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 31 Jan 2013
1952298;1574546514;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-30-jan-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 30 Jan 2013
1952299;1574546516;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-29-jan-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 29 Jan 2013
1952300;1574546578;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-28-jan-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 28 Jan 2013
1952301;1574546778;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-04-feb-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 04 Feb 2013
1952302;1574546780;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-03-feb-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 03 Feb 2013
1952303;1574546782;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-02-feb-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 02 Feb 2013
1952304;1574546844;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-01-feb-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 01 Feb 2013
1952305;1574546984;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-08-feb-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 08 Feb 2013
1952306;1574546986;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-07-feb-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 07 Feb 2013
1952307;1574546988;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-06-feb-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 06 Feb 2013
1952308;1574547050;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-05-feb-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 05 Feb 2013
1952309;1574547250;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-12-feb-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 12 Feb 2013
1952310;1574547252;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-11-feb-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 11 Feb 2013
1952311;1574547254;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-10-feb-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 10 Feb 2013
1952312;1574547316;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-09-feb-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 09 Feb 2013
1952313;1574547456;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-16-feb-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 16 Feb 2013
1952314;1574547458;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-15-feb-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 15 Feb 2013
1952315;1574547460;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-14-feb-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 14 Feb 2013
1952316;1574547522;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-13-feb-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 13 Feb 2013
1952317;1574547728;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-20-feb-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 20 Feb 2013
1952318;1574547730;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-19-feb-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 19 Feb 2013
1952319;1574547732;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-18-feb-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 18 Feb 2013
1952320;1574547794;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-17-feb-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 17 Feb 2013
1952321;1574547936;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-24-feb-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 24 Feb 2013
1952322;1574547938;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-23-feb-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 23 Feb 2013
1952323;1574547940;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-22-feb-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 22 Feb 2013
1952324;1574548002;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-21-feb-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 21 Feb 2013
1952325;1574548205;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-01-mar-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 01 Mar 2013
1952326;1574548207;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-28-feb-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 28 Feb 2013
1952327;1574548209;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-27-feb-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 27 Feb 2013
1952328;1574548271;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-26-feb-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 26 Feb 2013
1952329;1574548273;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-25-feb-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 25 Feb 2013
1952330;1574548405;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-05-mar-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 05 Mar 2013
1952331;1574548407;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-04-mar-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 04 Mar 2013
1952332;1574548409;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-03-mar-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 03 Mar 2013
1952333;1574548471;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-02-mar-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 02 Mar 2013
1952334;1574548671;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-09-mar-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 09 Mar 2013
1952335;1574548673;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-08-mar-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 08 Mar 2013
1952336;1574548675;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-07-mar-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 07 Mar 2013
1952337;1574548737;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-06-mar-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 06 Mar 2013
1952338;1574548877;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-13-mar-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 13 Mar 2013
1952339;1574548879;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-12-mar-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 12 Mar 2013
1952340;1574548881;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-11-mar-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 11 Mar 2013
1952341;1574548943;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-10-mar-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 10 Mar 2013
1952342;1574549143;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-17-mar-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 17 Mar 2013
1952343;1574549145;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-16-mar-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 16 Mar 2013
1952344;1574549147;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-15-mar-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 15 Mar 2013
1952345;1574549209;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-14-mar-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 14 Mar 2013
1952346;1574549349;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-21-mar-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 21 Mar 2013
1952347;1574549351;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-20-mar-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 20 Mar 2013
1952348;1574549353;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-19-mar-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 19 Mar 2013
1952349;1574549608;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-25-mar-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 25 Mar 2013
1952350;1574549609;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-24-mar-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 24 Mar 2013
1952351;1574549611;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-23-mar-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 23 Mar 2013
1952352;1574549674;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-22-mar-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 22 Mar 2013
1952353;1574549873;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-29-mar-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 29 Mar 2013
1952354;1574549876;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-28-mar-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 28 Mar 2013
1952355;1574549878;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-27-mar-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 27 Mar 2013
1952356;1574549940;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-26-mar-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 26 Mar 2013
1952357;1574550080;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-02-apr-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 02 Apr 2013
1952358;1574550082;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-01-apr-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 01 Apr 2013
1952359;1574550084;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-31-mar-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 31 Mar 2013
1952360;1574550146;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-30-mar-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 30 Mar 2013
1952361;1574550346;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-06-apr-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 06 Apr 2013
1952362;1574550348;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-05-apr-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 05 Apr 2013
1952363;1574550350;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-04-apr-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 04 Apr 2013
1952364;1574550412;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-03-apr-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 03 Apr 2013
1952365;1574550560;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-10-apr-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 10 Apr 2013
1952366;1574550562;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-09-apr-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 09 Apr 2013
1952367;1574550564;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-08-apr-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 08 Apr 2013
1952368;1574550626;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-07-apr-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 07 Apr 2013
1952369;1574550844;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-14-apr-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 14 Apr 2013
1952370;1574550846;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-13-apr-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 13 Apr 2013
1952371;1574550848;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-12-apr-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 12 Apr 2013
1952372;1574550910;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-11-apr-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 11 Apr 2013
1952373;1574551052;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-19-apr-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 19 Apr 2013
1952374;1574551054;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-18-apr-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 18 Apr 2013
1952375;1574551056;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-17-apr-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 17 Apr 2013
1952376;1574551118;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-16-apr-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 16 Apr 2013
1952377;1574551120;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-15-apr-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 15 Apr 2013
1952378;1574551262;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-23-apr-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 23 Apr 2013
1952379;1574551264;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-22-apr-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 22 Apr 2013
1952380;1574551266;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-21-apr-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 21 Apr 2013
1952381;1574551328;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-20-apr-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 20 Apr 2013
1952382;1574551531;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-27-apr-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 27 Apr 2013
1952383;1574551533;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-26-apr-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 26 Apr 2013
1952384;1574551535;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-25-apr-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 25 Apr 2013
1952385;1574551597;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-24-apr-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 24 Apr 2013
1952386;1574551797;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-01-may-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 01 May 2013
1952387;1574551799;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-30-apr-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 30 Apr 2013
1952388;1574551801;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-29-apr-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 29 Apr 2013
1952389;1574551863;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-28-apr-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 28 Apr 2013
1952390;1574552003;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-05-may-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 05 May 2013
1952391;1574552005;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-04-may-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 04 May 2013
1952392;1574552007;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-03-may-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 03 May 2013
1952393;1574552069;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-02-may-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 02 May 2013
1952394;1574552269;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-09-may-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 09 May 2013
1952395;1574552271;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-08-may-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 08 May 2013
1952396;1574552273;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-07-may-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 07 May 2013
1952397;1574552335;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-06-may-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 06 May 2013
1952398;1574552475;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-13-may-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 13 May 2013
1952399;1574552477;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-12-may-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 12 May 2013
1952400;1574552479;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-11-may-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 11 May 2013
1952401;1574552541;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-10-may-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 10 May 2013
1952402;1574552741;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-17-may-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 17 May 2013
1952403;1574552743;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-16-may-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 16 May 2013
1952404;1574552745;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-15-may-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 15 May 2013
1952405;1574552807;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-14-may-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 14 May 2013
1952406;1574552947;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-21-may-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 21 May 2013
1952407;1574552949;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-20-may-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 20 May 2013
1952408;1574552951;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-19-may-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 19 May 2013
1952409;1574553014;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-18-may-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 18 May 2013
1952410;1574553018;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/11/us-fcc-to-cut-rural-internet-funds-as-half-assed-trade-war-continues/ << Qntra -- US FCC To Cut "Rural Internet" Funds As Half Assed Trade War Continues
1952411;1574553160;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-25-may-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 25 May 2013
1952412;1574553162;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-24-may-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 24 May 2013
1952413;1574553164;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-23-may-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 23 May 2013
1952414;1574553422;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-28-may-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 28 May 2013
1952415;1574553424;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-27-may-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 27 May 2013
1952416;1574553426;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-26-may-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 26 May 2013
1952417;1574553687;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-01-jun-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 01 Jun 2013
1952418;1574553689;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-31-may-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 31 May 2013
1952419;1574553691;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-30-may-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 30 May 2013
1952420;1574553753;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-29-may-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 29 May 2013
1952421;1574553893;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-05-jun-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 05 Jun 2013
1952422;1574553895;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-04-jun-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 04 Jun 2013
1952423;1574553897;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-03-jun-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 03 Jun 2013
1952424;1574553959;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-02-jun-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 02 Jun 2013
1952425;1574554168;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-09-jun-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 09 Jun 2013
1952426;1574554170;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-08-jun-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 08 Jun 2013
1952427;1574554172;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-07-jun-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 07 Jun 2013
1952428;1574554234;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-06-jun-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 06 Jun 2013
1952429;1574554368;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-13-jun-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 13 Jun 2013
1952430;1574554370;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-12-jun-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 12 Jun 2013
1952431;1574554372;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-11-jun-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 11 Jun 2013
1952432;1574554434;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-10-jun-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 10 Jun 2013
1952433;1574554580;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-17-jun-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 17 Jun 2013
1952434;1574554582;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-16-jun-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 16 Jun 2013
1952435;1574554584;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-15-jun-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 15 Jun 2013
1952436;1574554646;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-14-jun-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 14 Jun 2013
1952437;1574554852;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-21-jun-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 21 Jun 2013
1952438;1574554854;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-20-jun-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 20 Jun 2013
1952439;1574554856;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-19-jun-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 19 Jun 2013
1952440;1574554918;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-18-jun-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 18 Jun 2013
1952441;1574555060;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-25-jun-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 25 Jun 2013
1952442;1574555062;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-24-jun-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 24 Jun 2013
1952443;1574555064;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-23-jun-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 23 Jun 2013
1952444;1574555126;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-22-jun-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 22 Jun 2013
1952445;1574555329;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-29-jun-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 29 Jun 2013
1952446;1574555331;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-28-jun-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 28 Jun 2013
1952447;1574555333;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-27-jun-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 27 Jun 2013
1952448;1574555395;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-26-jun-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 26 Jun 2013
1952449;1574555535;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-03-jul-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 03 Jul 2013
1952450;1574555537;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-02-jul-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 02 Jul 2013
1952451;1574555539;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-01-jul-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 01 Jul 2013
1952452;1574555601;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-30-jun-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 30 Jun 2013
1952453;1574555801;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-06-jul-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 06 Jul 2013
1952454;1574555803;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-05-jul-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 05 Jul 2013
1952455;1574555805;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-04-jul-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 04 Jul 2013
1952456;1574556005;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-10-jul-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 10 Jul 2013
1952457;1574556007;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-09-jul-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 09 Jul 2013
1952458;1574556009;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-08-jul-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 08 Jul 2013
1952459;1574556071;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-07-jul-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 07 Jul 2013
1952460;1574556271;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-14-jul-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 14 Jul 2013
1952461;1574556273;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-13-jul-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 13 Jul 2013
1952462;1574556275;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-12-jul-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 12 Jul 2013
1952463;1574556337;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-11-jul-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 11 Jul 2013
1952464;1574556531;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-18-jul-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 18 Jul 2013
1952465;1574556533;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-17-jul-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 17 Jul 2013
1952466;1574556535;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-16-jul-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 16 Jul 2013
1952467;1574556597;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-15-jul-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 15 Jul 2013
1952468;1574556737;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-22-jul-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 22 Jul 2013
1952469;1574556739;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-21-jul-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 21 Jul 2013
1952470;1574556741;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-20-jul-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 20 Jul 2013
1952471;1574556803;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-19-jul-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 19 Jul 2013
1952472;1574557003;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-25-jul-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 25 Jul 2013
1952473;1574557006;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-24-jul-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 24 Jul 2013
1952474;1574557007;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-23-jul-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 23 Jul 2013
1952475;1574557208;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-29-jul-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 29 Jul 2013
1952476;1574557210;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-28-jul-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 28 Jul 2013
1952477;1574557212;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-27-jul-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 27 Jul 2013
1952478;1574557274;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-26-jul-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 26 Jul 2013
1952479;1574557472;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-02-aug-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 02 Aug 2013
1952480;1574557474;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-01-aug-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 01 Aug 2013
1952481;1574557476;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-31-jul-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 31 Jul 2013
1952482;1574557538;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-30-jul-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 30 Jul 2013
1952483;1574557674;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-05-aug-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 05 Aug 2013
1952484;1574557676;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-04-aug-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 04 Aug 2013
1952485;1574557678;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-03-aug-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 03 Aug 2013
1952486;1574557930;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-09-aug-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 09 Aug 2013
1952487;1574557932;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-08-aug-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 08 Aug 2013
1952488;1574557934;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-07-aug-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 07 Aug 2013
1952489;1574557996;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-06-aug-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 06 Aug 2013
1952490;1574558184;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-13-aug-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 13 Aug 2013
1952491;1574558186;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-12-aug-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 12 Aug 2013
1952492;1574558188;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-11-aug-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 11 Aug 2013
1952493;1574558250;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-10-aug-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 10 Aug 2013
1952494;1574558442;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-16-aug-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 16 Aug 2013
1952495;1574558444;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-15-aug-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 15 Aug 2013
1952496;1574558446;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-14-aug-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 14 Aug 2013
1952497;1574558638;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-20-aug-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 20 Aug 2013
1952498;1574558640;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-19-aug-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 19 Aug 2013
1952499;1574558642;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-18-aug-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 18 Aug 2013
1952500;1574558704;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-17-aug-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 17 Aug 2013
1952501;1574558904;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-24-aug-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 24 Aug 2013
1952502;1574558906;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-23-aug-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 23 Aug 2013
1952503;1574558908;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-22-aug-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 22 Aug 2013
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1952505;1574559098;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-28-aug-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 28 Aug 2013
1952506;1574559100;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-27-aug-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 27 Aug 2013
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1952508;1574559164;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-25-aug-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 25 Aug 2013
1952509;1574559356;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-31-aug-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 31 Aug 2013
1952510;1574559358;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-29-aug-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 29 Aug 2013
1952511;1574559610;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-04-sep-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 04 Sep 2013
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1952518;1574559930;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-05-sep-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 05 Sep 2013
1952519;1574560058;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-12-sep-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 12 Sep 2013
1952520;1574560060;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-11-sep-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 11 Sep 2013
1952521;1574560062;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-10-sep-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 10 Sep 2013
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1952523;1574560316;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-16-sep-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 16 Sep 2013
1952524;1574560318;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-15-sep-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 15 Sep 2013
1952525;1574560320;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-14-sep-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 14 Sep 2013
1952526;1574560382;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-13-sep-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 13 Sep 2013
1952527;1574560574;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-20-sep-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 20 Sep 2013
1952528;1574560577;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-19-sep-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 19 Sep 2013
1952529;1574560578;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-18-sep-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 18 Sep 2013
1952530;1574560640;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-17-sep-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 17 Sep 2013
1952531;1574560772;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-24-sep-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 24 Sep 2013
1952532;1574560775;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-23-sep-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 23 Sep 2013
1952533;1574560777;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-22-sep-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 22 Sep 2013
1952534;1574560838;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-21-sep-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 21 Sep 2013
1952535;1574561031;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-28-sep-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 28 Sep 2013
1952536;1574561033;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-27-sep-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 27 Sep 2013
1952537;1574561035;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-26-sep-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 26 Sep 2013
1952538;1574561097;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-25-sep-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 25 Sep 2013
1952539;1574561289;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-02-oct-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 02 Oct 2013
1952540;1574561291;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-01-oct-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 01 Oct 2013
1952541;1574561293;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-30-sep-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 30 Sep 2013
1952542;1574561355;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-29-sep-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 29 Sep 2013
1952543;1574561487;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-06-oct-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 06 Oct 2013
1952544;1574561489;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-05-oct-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 05 Oct 2013
1952545;1574561491;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-04-oct-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 04 Oct 2013
1952546;1574561553;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-03-oct-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 03 Oct 2013
1952547;1574561745;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-10-oct-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 10 Oct 2013
1952548;1574561747;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-09-oct-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 09 Oct 2013
1952549;1574561749;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-08-oct-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 08 Oct 2013
1952550;1574561811;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-07-oct-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 07 Oct 2013
1952551;1574562003;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-14-oct-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 14 Oct 2013
1952552;1574562005;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-13-oct-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 13 Oct 2013
1952553;1574562007;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-12-oct-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 12 Oct 2013
1952554;1574562069;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-11-oct-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 11 Oct 2013
1952555;1574562201;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-18-oct-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 18 Oct 2013
1952556;1574562203;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-17-oct-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 17 Oct 2013
1952557;1574562205;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-16-oct-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 16 Oct 2013
1952558;1574562267;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-15-oct-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 15 Oct 2013
1952559;1574562459;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-22-oct-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 22 Oct 2013
1952560;1574562461;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-21-oct-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 21 Oct 2013
1952561;1574562463;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-20-oct-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 20 Oct 2013
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1952563;1574562719;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-27-oct-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 27 Oct 2013
1952564;1574562721;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-26-oct-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 26 Oct 2013
1952565;1574562723;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-25-oct-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 25 Oct 2013
1952566;1574562785;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-24-oct-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 24 Oct 2013
1952567;1574562787;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-23-oct-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 23 Oct 2013
1952568;1574562921;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-31-oct-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 31 Oct 2013
1952569;1574562923;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-30-oct-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 30 Oct 2013
1952570;1574562925;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-29-oct-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 29 Oct 2013
1952571;1574562987;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-28-oct-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 28 Oct 2013
1952572;1574563179;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-04-nov-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 04 Nov 2013
1952573;1574563181;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-03-nov-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 03 Nov 2013
1952574;1574563183;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-02-nov-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 02 Nov 2013
1952575;1574563245;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-01-nov-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 01 Nov 2013
1952576;1574563377;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-08-nov-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 08 Nov 2013
1952577;1574563379;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-07-nov-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 07 Nov 2013
1952578;1574563381;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-06-nov-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 06 Nov 2013
1952579;1574563443;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-05-nov-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 05 Nov 2013
1952580;1574563635;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-12-nov-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 12 Nov 2013
1952581;1574563637;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-11-nov-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 11 Nov 2013
1952582;1574563639;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-10-nov-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 10 Nov 2013
1952583;1574563701;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-09-nov-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 09 Nov 2013
1952584;1574563893;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-16-nov-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 16 Nov 2013
1952585;1574563895;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-15-nov-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 15 Nov 2013
1952586;1574563897;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-14-nov-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 14 Nov 2013
1952587;1574563959;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-13-nov-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 13 Nov 2013
1952588;1574564091;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-20-nov-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 20 Nov 2013
1952589;1574564093;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-19-nov-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 19 Nov 2013
1952590;1574564096;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-18-nov-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 18 Nov 2013
1952591;1574564157;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-17-nov-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 17 Nov 2013
1952592;1574564350;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-24-nov-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 24 Nov 2013
1952593;1574564352;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-23-nov-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 23 Nov 2013
1952594;1574564353;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-22-nov-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 22 Nov 2013
1952595;1574564415;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-21-nov-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 21 Nov 2013
1952596;1574564608;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-28-nov-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 28 Nov 2013
1952597;1574564610;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-27-nov-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 27 Nov 2013
1952598;1574564612;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-26-nov-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 26 Nov 2013
1952599;1574564674;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-25-nov-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 25 Nov 2013
1952600;1574564806;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-02-dec-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 02 Dec 2013
1952601;1574564808;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-01-dec-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 01 Dec 2013
1952602;1574564810;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-30-nov-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 30 Nov 2013
1952603;1574564872;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-29-nov-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 29 Nov 2013
1952604;1574565068;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-06-dec-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 06 Dec 2013
1952605;1574565070;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-05-dec-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 05 Dec 2013
1952606;1574565072;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-04-dec-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 04 Dec 2013
1952607;1574565134;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-03-dec-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 03 Dec 2013
1952608;1574565326;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-11-dec-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 11 Dec 2013
1952609;1574565328;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-10-dec-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 10 Dec 2013
1952610;1574565330;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-09-dec-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 09 Dec 2013
1952611;1574565392;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-08-dec-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 08 Dec 2013
1952612;1574565394;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-07-dec-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 07 Dec 2013
1952613;1574565526;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-15-dec-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 15 Dec 2013
1952614;1574565528;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-14-dec-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 14 Dec 2013
1952615;1574565530;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-13-dec-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 13 Dec 2013
1952616;1574565592;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-12-dec-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 12 Dec 2013
1952617;1574565784;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-19-dec-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 19 Dec 2013
1952618;1574565786;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-18-dec-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 18 Dec 2013
1952619;1574565788;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-17-dec-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 17 Dec 2013
1952620;1574565850;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-16-dec-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 16 Dec 2013
1952621;1574566042;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-23-dec-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 23 Dec 2013
1952622;1574566044;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-22-dec-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 22 Dec 2013
1952623;1574566046;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-21-dec-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 21 Dec 2013
1952624;1574566108;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-20-dec-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 20 Dec 2013
1952625;1574566240;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-27-dec-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 27 Dec 2013
1952626;1574566242;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-26-dec-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 26 Dec 2013
1952627;1574566244;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-25-dec-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 25 Dec 2013
1952628;1574566306;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-24-dec-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 24 Dec 2013
1952629;1574566498;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-31-dec-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 31 Dec 2013
1952630;1574566500;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-30-dec-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 30 Dec 2013
1952631;1574566502;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-29-dec-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 29 Dec 2013
1952632;1574566564;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-28-dec-2013/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 28 Dec 2013
1952633;1574566696;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-04-jan-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 04 Jan 2014
1952634;1574566698;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-03-jan-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 03 Jan 2014
1952635;1574566700;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-02-jan-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 02 Jan 2014
1952636;1574566762;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-01-jan-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 01 Jan 2014
1952637;1574566954;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-08-jan-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 08 Jan 2014
1952638;1574566956;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-07-jan-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 07 Jan 2014
1952639;1574566958;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-06-jan-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 06 Jan 2014
1952640;1574567020;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-05-jan-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 05 Jan 2014
1952641;1574567212;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-13-jan-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 13 Jan 2014
1952642;1574567214;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-12-jan-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 12 Jan 2014
1952643;1574567216;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-11-jan-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 11 Jan 2014
1952644;1574567278;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-10-jan-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 10 Jan 2014
1952645;1574567280;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-09-jan-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 09 Jan 2014
1952646;1574567416;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-17-jan-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 17 Jan 2014
1952647;1574567418;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-16-jan-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 16 Jan 2014
1952648;1574567420;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-15-jan-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 15 Jan 2014
1952649;1574567482;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-14-jan-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 14 Jan 2014
1952650;1574567674;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-21-jan-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 21 Jan 2014
1952651;1574567676;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-20-jan-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 20 Jan 2014
1952652;1574567678;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-19-jan-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 19 Jan 2014
1952653;1574567740;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-18-jan-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 18 Jan 2014
1952654;1574567933;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-25-jan-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 25 Jan 2014
1952655;1574567935;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-24-jan-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 24 Jan 2014
1952656;1574567936;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-23-jan-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 23 Jan 2014
1952657;1574567998;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-22-jan-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 22 Jan 2014
1952658;1574568130;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-29-jan-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 29 Jan 2014
1952659;1574568133;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-28-jan-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 28 Jan 2014
1952660;1574568135;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-27-jan-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 27 Jan 2014
1952661;1574568197;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-26-jan-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 26 Jan 2014
1952662;1574568389;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-02-feb-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 02 Feb 2014
1952663;1574568391;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-01-feb-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 01 Feb 2014
1952664;1574568393;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-31-jan-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 31 Jan 2014
1952665;1574568455;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-30-jan-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 30 Jan 2014
1952666;1574568647;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-06-feb-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 06 Feb 2014
1952667;1574568649;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-05-feb-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 05 Feb 2014
1952668;1574568651;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-04-feb-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 04 Feb 2014
1952669;1574568713;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-03-feb-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 03 Feb 2014
1952670;1574568845;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-10-feb-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 10 Feb 2014
1952671;1574568847;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-09-feb-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 09 Feb 2014
1952672;1574568849;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-08-feb-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 08 Feb 2014
1952673;1574568911;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-07-feb-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 07 Feb 2014
1952674;1574569103;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-14-feb-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 14 Feb 2014
1952675;1574569105;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-13-feb-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 13 Feb 2014
1952676;1574569107;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-12-feb-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 12 Feb 2014
1952677;1574569169;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-11-feb-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 11 Feb 2014
1952678;1574569361;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-18-feb-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 18 Feb 2014
1952679;1574569363;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-17-feb-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 17 Feb 2014
1952680;1574569365;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-16-feb-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 16 Feb 2014
1952681;1574569427;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-15-feb-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 15 Feb 2014
1952682;1574569559;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-22-feb-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 22 Feb 2014
1952683;1574569561;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-21-feb-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 21 Feb 2014
1952684;1574569563;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-20-feb-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 20 Feb 2014
1952685;1574569625;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-19-feb-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 19 Feb 2014
1952686;1574569819;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-26-feb-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 26 Feb 2014
1952687;1574569821;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-25-feb-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 25 Feb 2014
1952688;1574569823;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-24-feb-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 24 Feb 2014
1952689;1574569885;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-23-feb-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 23 Feb 2014
1952690;1574570079;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-03-mar-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 03 Mar 2014
1952691;1574570081;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-02-mar-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 02 Mar 2014
1952692;1574570083;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-01-mar-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 01 Mar 2014
1952693;1574570145;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-28-feb-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 28 Feb 2014
1952694;1574570147;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-27-feb-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 27 Feb 2014
1952695;1574570339;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-07-mar-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 07 Mar 2014
1952696;1574570341;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-06-mar-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 06 Mar 2014
1952697;1574570343;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-05-mar-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 05 Mar 2014
1952698;1574570405;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-04-mar-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 04 Mar 2014
1952699;1574570537;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-11-mar-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 11 Mar 2014
1952700;1574570539;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-10-mar-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 10 Mar 2014
1952701;1574570541;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-09-mar-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 09 Mar 2014
1952702;1574570603;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-08-mar-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 08 Mar 2014
1952703;1574570795;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-15-mar-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 15 Mar 2014
1952704;1574570797;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-14-mar-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 14 Mar 2014
1952705;1574570799;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-13-mar-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 13 Mar 2014
1952706;1574570861;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-12-mar-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 12 Mar 2014
1952707;1574571053;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-19-mar-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 19 Mar 2014
1952708;1574571055;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-18-mar-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 18 Mar 2014
1952709;1574571057;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-17-mar-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 17 Mar 2014
1952710;1574571119;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-16-mar-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 16 Mar 2014
1952711;1574571251;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-23-mar-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 23 Mar 2014
1952712;1574571253;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-22-mar-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 22 Mar 2014
1952713;1574571255;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-21-mar-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 21 Mar 2014
1952714;1574571317;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-20-mar-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 20 Mar 2014
1952715;1574571510;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-27-mar-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 27 Mar 2014
1952716;1574571511;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-26-mar-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 26 Mar 2014
1952717;1574571513;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-25-mar-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 25 Mar 2014
1952718;1574571575;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-24-mar-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 24 Mar 2014
1952719;1574571767;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-31-mar-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 31 Mar 2014
1952720;1574571770;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-30-mar-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 30 Mar 2014
1952721;1574571772;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-29-mar-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 29 Mar 2014
1952722;1574571834;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-28-mar-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 28 Mar 2014
1952723;1574571966;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-04-apr-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 04 Apr 2014
1952724;1574571968;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-03-apr-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 03 Apr 2014
1952725;1574571970;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-02-apr-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 02 Apr 2014
1952726;1574572032;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-01-apr-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 01 Apr 2014
1952727;1574572224;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-08-apr-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 08 Apr 2014
1952728;1574572226;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-07-apr-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 07 Apr 2014
1952729;1574572228;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-06-apr-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 06 Apr 2014
1952730;1574572290;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-05-apr-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 05 Apr 2014
1952731;1574572484;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-11-apr-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 11 Apr 2014
1952732;1574572486;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-10-apr-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 10 Apr 2014
1952733;1574572488;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-09-apr-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 09 Apr 2014
1952734;1574572682;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-17-apr-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 17 Apr 2014
1952735;1574572684;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-16-apr-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 16 Apr 2014
1952736;1574572686;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-15-apr-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 15 Apr 2014
1952737;1574572748;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-14-apr-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 14 Apr 2014
1952738;1574572750;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-13-apr-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 13 Apr 2014
1952739;1574572938;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-21-apr-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 21 Apr 2014
1952740;1574572940;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-20-apr-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 20 Apr 2014
1952741;1574572942;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-19-apr-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 19 Apr 2014
1952742;1574573004;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-18-apr-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 18 Apr 2014
1952743;1574573136;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-25-apr-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 25 Apr 2014
1952744;1574573138;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-24-apr-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 24 Apr 2014
1952745;1574573140;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-23-apr-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 23 Apr 2014
1952746;1574573202;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-22-apr-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 22 Apr 2014
1952747;1574573394;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-29-apr-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 29 Apr 2014
1952748;1574573396;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-28-apr-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 28 Apr 2014
1952749;1574573398;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-27-apr-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 27 Apr 2014
1952750;1574573460;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-26-apr-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 26 Apr 2014
1952751;1574573652;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-03-may-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 03 May 2014
1952752;1574573654;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-02-may-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 02 May 2014
1952753;1574573656;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-01-may-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 01 May 2014
1952754;1574573718;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-30-apr-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 30 Apr 2014
1952755;1574573850;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-07-may-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 07 May 2014
1952756;1574573852;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-06-may-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 06 May 2014
1952757;1574573854;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-04-may-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 04 May 2014
1952758;1574574106;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-11-may-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 11 May 2014
1952759;1574574108;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-10-may-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 10 May 2014
1952760;1574574110;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-09-may-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 09 May 2014
1952761;1574574172;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-08-may-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 08 May 2014
1952762;1574574360;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-15-may-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 15 May 2014
1952763;1574574362;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-14-may-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 14 May 2014
1952764;1574574364;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-13-may-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 13 May 2014
1952765;1574574426;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-12-may-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 12 May 2014
1952766;1574574618;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-19-may-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 19 May 2014
1952767;1574574620;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-18-may-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 18 May 2014
1952768;1574574622;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-17-may-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 17 May 2014
1952769;1574574684;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-16-may-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 16 May 2014
1952770;1574574816;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-07-jun-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 07 Jun 2014
1952771;1574574818;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-22-may-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 22 May 2014
1952772;1574574820;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-21-may-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 21 May 2014
1952773;1574574882;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-20-may-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 20 May 2014
1952774;1574575076;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-11-jun-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 11 Jun 2014
1952775;1574575078;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-10-jun-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 10 Jun 2014
1952776;1574575080;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-09-jun-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 09 Jun 2014
1952777;1574575142;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-08-jun-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 08 Jun 2014
1952778;1574575337;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-16-jun-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 16 Jun 2014
1952779;1574575339;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-15-jun-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 15 Jun 2014
1952780;1574575340;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-14-jun-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 14 Jun 2014
1952781;1574575403;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-13-jun-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 13 Jun 2014
1952782;1574575405;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-12-jun-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 12 Jun 2014
1952783;1574575537;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-20-jun-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 20 Jun 2014
1952784;1574575539;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-19-jun-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 19 Jun 2014
1952785;1574575541;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-18-jun-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 18 Jun 2014
1952786;1574575603;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-17-jun-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 17 Jun 2014
1952787;1574575795;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-24-jun-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 24 Jun 2014
1952788;1574575797;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-23-jun-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 23 Jun 2014
1952789;1574575799;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-22-jun-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 22 Jun 2014
1952790;1574575861;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-21-jun-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 21 Jun 2014
1952791;1574576053;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-28-jun-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 28 Jun 2014
1952792;1574576055;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-27-jun-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 27 Jun 2014
1952793;1574576057;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-26-jun-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 26 Jun 2014
1952794;1574576119;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-25-jun-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 25 Jun 2014
1952795;1574576251;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-03-jul-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 03 Jul 2014
1952796;1574576253;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-02-jul-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 02 Jul 2014
1952797;1574576255;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-30-jun-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 30 Jun 2014
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1952800;1574576317;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-29-jun-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 29 Jun 2014
1952801;1574576509;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-07-jul-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 07 Jul 2014
1952802;1574576511;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-06-jul-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 06 Jul 2014
1952803;1574576513;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-05-jul-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 05 Jul 2014
1952804;1574576575;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-04-jul-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 04 Jul 2014
1952805;1574576767;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-11-jul-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 11 Jul 2014
1952806;1574576769;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-10-jul-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 10 Jul 2014
1952807;1574576771;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-09-jul-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 09 Jul 2014
1952808;1574576833;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-08-jul-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 08 Jul 2014
1952809;1574576965;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-15-jul-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 15 Jul 2014
1952810;1574576967;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-14-jul-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 14 Jul 2014
1952811;1574576969;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-13-jul-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 13 Jul 2014
1952812;1574577031;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-12-jul-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 12 Jul 2014
1952813;1574577227;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-20-jul-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 20 Jul 2014
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1952815;1574577231;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-18-jul-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 18 Jul 2014
1952816;1574577293;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-17-jul-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 17 Jul 2014
1952817;1574577295;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-16-jul-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 16 Jul 2014
1952818;1574577427;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-24-jul-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 24 Jul 2014
1952819;1574577429;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-23-jul-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 23 Jul 2014
1952820;1574577431;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-22-jul-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 22 Jul 2014
1952821;1574577493;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-21-jul-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 21 Jul 2014
1952822;1574577685;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-28-jul-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 28 Jul 2014
1952823;1574577687;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-27-jul-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 27 Jul 2014
1952824;1574577689;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-26-jul-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 26 Jul 2014
1952825;1574577751;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-25-jul-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 25 Jul 2014
1952826;1574577943;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-01-aug-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 01 Aug 2014
1952827;1574577945;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-31-jul-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 31 Jul 2014
1952828;1574577947;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-30-jul-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 30 Jul 2014
1952829;1574578009;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-29-jul-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 29 Jul 2014
1952830;1574578141;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-05-aug-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 05 Aug 2014
1952831;1574578143;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-04-aug-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 04 Aug 2014
1952832;1574578145;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-03-aug-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 03 Aug 2014
1952833;1574578207;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-02-aug-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 02 Aug 2014
1952834;1574578399;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-09-aug-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 09 Aug 2014
1952835;1574578401;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-08-aug-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 08 Aug 2014
1952836;1574578403;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-07-aug-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 07 Aug 2014
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1952838;1574578657;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-13-aug-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 13 Aug 2014
1952839;1574578659;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-12-aug-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 12 Aug 2014
1952840;1574578661;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-11-aug-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 11 Aug 2014
1952841;1574578723;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-10-aug-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 10 Aug 2014
1952842;1574578857;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-17-aug-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 17 Aug 2014
1952843;1574578859;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-16-aug-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 16 Aug 2014
1952844;1574578861;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-15-aug-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 15 Aug 2014
1952845;1574578923;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-14-aug-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 14 Aug 2014
1952846;1574579118;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-22-aug-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 22 Aug 2014
1952847;1574579120;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-21-aug-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 21 Aug 2014
1952848;1574579121;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-20-aug-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 20 Aug 2014
1952849;1574579184;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-19-aug-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 19 Aug 2014
1952850;1574579186;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-18-aug-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 18 Aug 2014
1952851;1574579378;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-26-aug-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 26 Aug 2014
1952852;1574579380;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-25-aug-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 25 Aug 2014
1952853;1574579382;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-24-aug-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 24 Aug 2014
1952854;1574579444;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-23-aug-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 23 Aug 2014
1952855;1574579576;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-30-aug-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 30 Aug 2014
1952856;1574579578;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-29-aug-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 29 Aug 2014
1952857;1574579580;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-28-aug-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 28 Aug 2014
1952858;1574579642;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-27-aug-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 27 Aug 2014
1952859;1574579834;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-03-sep-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 03 Sep 2014
1952860;1574579836;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-02-sep-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 02 Sep 2014
1952861;1574579838;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-01-sep-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 01 Sep 2014
1952862;1574579900;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-31-aug-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 31 Aug 2014
1952863;1574580092;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-07-sep-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 07 Sep 2014
1952864;1574580094;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-06-sep-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 06 Sep 2014
1952865;1574580096;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-05-sep-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 05 Sep 2014
1952866;1574580158;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-04-sep-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 04 Sep 2014
1952867;1574580290;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-11-sep-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 11 Sep 2014
1952868;1574580292;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-10-sep-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 10 Sep 2014
1952869;1574580294;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-09-sep-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 09 Sep 2014
1952870;1574580356;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-08-sep-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 08 Sep 2014
1952871;1574580548;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-15-sep-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 15 Sep 2014
1952872;1574580550;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-14-sep-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 14 Sep 2014
1952873;1574580552;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-13-sep-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 13 Sep 2014
1952874;1574580614;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-12-sep-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 12 Sep 2014
1952875;1574580810;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-20-sep-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 20 Sep 2014
1952876;1574580812;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-19-sep-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 19 Sep 2014
1952877;1574580814;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-18-sep-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 18 Sep 2014
1952878;1574580876;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-17-sep-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 17 Sep 2014
1952879;1574580878;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-16-sep-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 16 Sep 2014
1952880;1574581010;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-24-sep-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 24 Sep 2014
1952881;1574581012;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-23-sep-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 23 Sep 2014
1952882;1574581014;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-22-sep-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 22 Sep 2014
1952883;1574581076;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-21-sep-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 21 Sep 2014
1952884;1574581268;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-28-sep-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 28 Sep 2014
1952885;1574581270;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-27-sep-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 27 Sep 2014
1952886;1574581272;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-26-sep-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 26 Sep 2014
1952887;1574581334;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-25-sep-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 25 Sep 2014
1952888;1574581466;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-02-oct-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 02 Oct 2014
1952889;1574581468;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-01-oct-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 01 Oct 2014
1952890;1574581470;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-30-sep-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 30 Sep 2014
1952891;1574581532;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-29-sep-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 29 Sep 2014
1952892;1574581724;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-06-oct-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 06 Oct 2014
1952893;1574581726;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-05-oct-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 05 Oct 2014
1952894;1574581728;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-04-oct-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 04 Oct 2014
1952895;1574581790;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-03-oct-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 03 Oct 2014
1952896;1574581982;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-10-oct-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 10 Oct 2014
1952897;1574581984;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-09-oct-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 09 Oct 2014
1952898;1574581986;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-08-oct-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 08 Oct 2014
1952899;1574582048;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-07-oct-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 07 Oct 2014
1952900;1574582180;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-14-oct-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 14 Oct 2014
1952901;1574582182;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-13-oct-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 13 Oct 2014
1952902;1574582184;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-12-oct-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 12 Oct 2014
1952903;1574582246;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-11-oct-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 11 Oct 2014
1952904;1574582438;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-18-oct-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 18 Oct 2014
1952905;1574582440;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-17-oct-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 17 Oct 2014
1952906;1574582442;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-16-oct-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 16 Oct 2014
1952907;1574582504;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-15-oct-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 15 Oct 2014
1952908;1574582699;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-22-oct-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 22 Oct 2014
1952909;1574582700;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-21-oct-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 21 Oct 2014
1952910;1574582702;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-20-oct-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 20 Oct 2014
1952911;1574582765;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-19-oct-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 19 Oct 2014
1952912;1574582899;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-27-oct-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 27 Oct 2014
1952913;1574582901;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-26-oct-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 26 Oct 2014
1952914;1574582903;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-25-oct-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 25 Oct 2014
1952915;1574582965;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-24-oct-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 24 Oct 2014
1952916;1574582967;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-23-oct-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 23 Oct 2014
1952917;1574583159;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-31-oct-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 31 Oct 2014
1952918;1574583161;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-30-oct-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 30 Oct 2014
1952919;1574583163;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-29-oct-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 29 Oct 2014
1952920;1574583225;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-28-oct-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 28 Oct 2014
1952921;1574583417;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-04-nov-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 04 Nov 2014
1952922;1574583419;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-03-nov-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 03 Nov 2014
1952923;1574583421;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-02-nov-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 02 Nov 2014
1952924;1574583483;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-01-nov-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 01 Nov 2014
1952925;1574583615;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-08-nov-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 08 Nov 2014
1952926;1574583617;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-07-nov-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 07 Nov 2014
1952927;1574583619;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-06-nov-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 06 Nov 2014
1952928;1574583681;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-05-nov-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 05 Nov 2014
1952929;1574583873;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-12-nov-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 12 Nov 2014
1952930;1574583875;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-11-nov-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 11 Nov 2014
1952931;1574583877;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-10-nov-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 10 Nov 2014
1952932;1574583939;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-09-nov-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 09 Nov 2014
1952933;1574584131;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-16-nov-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 16 Nov 2014
1952934;1574584133;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-15-nov-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 15 Nov 2014
1952935;1574584135;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-14-nov-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 14 Nov 2014
1952936;1574584197;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-13-nov-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 13 Nov 2014
1952937;1574584335;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-20-nov-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 20 Nov 2014
1952938;1574584337;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-19-nov-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 19 Nov 2014
1952939;1574584339;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-18-nov-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 18 Nov 2014
1952940;1574584401;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-17-nov-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 17 Nov 2014
1952941;1574584593;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-24-nov-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 24 Nov 2014
1952942;1574584595;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-23-nov-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 23 Nov 2014
1952943;1574584597;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-22-nov-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 22 Nov 2014
1952944;1574584659;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-21-nov-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 21 Nov 2014
1952945;1574584795;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-29-nov-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 29 Nov 2014
1952946;1574584797;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-28-nov-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 28 Nov 2014
1952947;1574584799;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-27-nov-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 27 Nov 2014
1952948;1574584861;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-26-nov-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 26 Nov 2014
1952949;1574584863;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-25-nov-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 25 Nov 2014
1952950;1574585055;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-03-dec-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 03 Dec 2014
1952951;1574585057;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-02-dec-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 02 Dec 2014
1952952;1574585059;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-01-dec-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 01 Dec 2014
1952953;1574585121;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-30-nov-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 30 Nov 2014
1952954;1574585313;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-07-dec-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 07 Dec 2014
1952955;1574585315;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-06-dec-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 06 Dec 2014
1952956;1574585317;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-05-dec-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 05 Dec 2014
1952957;1574585379;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-04-dec-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 04 Dec 2014
1952958;1574585511;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-10-dec-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 10 Dec 2014
1952959;1574585513;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-09-dec-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 09 Dec 2014
1952960;1574585515;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-08-dec-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 08 Dec 2014
1952961;1574585767;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-15-dec-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 15 Dec 2014
1952962;1574585769;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-14-dec-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 14 Dec 2014
1952963;1574585771;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-13-dec-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 13 Dec 2014
1952964;1574585833;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-12-dec-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 12 Dec 2014
1952965;1574586021;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-22-dec-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 22 Dec 2014
1952966;1574586023;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-19-dec-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 19 Dec 2014
1952967;1574586025;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-18-dec-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 18 Dec 2014
1952968;1574586087;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-16-dec-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 16 Dec 2014
1952969;1574586219;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-02-jan-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 02 Jan 2015
1952970;1574586221;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-27-dec-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 27 Dec 2014
1952971;1574586223;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-25-dec-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 25 Dec 2014
1952972;1574586285;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-23-dec-2014/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 23 Dec 2014
1952973;1574586478;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-06-jan-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 06 Jan 2015
1952974;1574586480;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-05-jan-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 05 Jan 2015
1952975;1574586482;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-04-jan-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 04 Jan 2015
1952976;1574586544;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-03-jan-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 03 Jan 2015
1952977;1574586736;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-10-jan-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 10 Jan 2015
1952978;1574586738;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-09-jan-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 09 Jan 2015
1952979;1574586740;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-08-jan-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 08 Jan 2015
1952980;1574586802;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-07-jan-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 07 Jan 2015
1952981;1574586938;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-15-jan-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 15 Jan 2015
1952982;1574586940;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-14-jan-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 14 Jan 2015
1952983;1574586942;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-13-jan-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 13 Jan 2015
1952984;1574587004;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-12-jan-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 12 Jan 2015
1952985;1574587006;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-11-jan-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 11 Jan 2015
1952986;1574587198;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-19-jan-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 19 Jan 2015
1952987;1574587200;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-18-jan-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 18 Jan 2015
1952988;1574587202;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-17-jan-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 17 Jan 2015
1952989;1574587264;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-16-jan-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 16 Jan 2015
1952990;1574587456;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-23-jan-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 23 Jan 2015
1952991;1574587458;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-22-jan-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 22 Jan 2015
1952992;1574587460;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-21-jan-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 21 Jan 2015
1952993;1574587522;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-20-jan-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 20 Jan 2015
1952994;1574587654;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-27-jan-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 27 Jan 2015
1952995;1574587656;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-26-jan-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 26 Jan 2015
1952996;1574587658;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-25-jan-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 25 Jan 2015
1952997;1574587720;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-24-jan-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 24 Jan 2015
1952998;1574587912;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-31-jan-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 31 Jan 2015
1952999;1574587914;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-30-jan-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 30 Jan 2015
1953000;1574587916;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-29-jan-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 29 Jan 2015
1953001;1574587978;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-28-jan-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 28 Jan 2015
1953002;1574588170;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-04-feb-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 04 Feb 2015
1953003;1574588172;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-03-feb-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 03 Feb 2015
1953004;1574588174;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-02-feb-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 02 Feb 2015
1953005;1574588236;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-01-feb-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 01 Feb 2015
1953006;1574588368;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-08-feb-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 08 Feb 2015
1953007;1574588370;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-07-feb-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 07 Feb 2015
1953008;1574588372;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-06-feb-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 06 Feb 2015
1953009;1574588434;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-05-feb-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 05 Feb 2015
1953010;1574588630;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-12-feb-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 12 Feb 2015
1953011;1574588632;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-11-feb-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 11 Feb 2015
1953012;1574588634;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-10-feb-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 10 Feb 2015
1953013;1574588696;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-09-feb-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 09 Feb 2015
1953014;1574588828;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-17-feb-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 17 Feb 2015
1953015;1574588830;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-16-feb-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 16 Feb 2015
1953016;1574588832;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-15-feb-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 15 Feb 2015
1953017;1574588894;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-14-feb-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 14 Feb 2015
1953018;1574589082;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-21-feb-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 21 Feb 2015
1953019;1574589084;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-20-feb-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 20 Feb 2015
1953020;1574589086;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-19-feb-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 19 Feb 2015
1953021;1574589148;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-18-feb-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 18 Feb 2015
1953022;1574589340;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-25-feb-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 25 Feb 2015
1953023;1574589342;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-24-feb-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 24 Feb 2015
1953024;1574589344;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-23-feb-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 23 Feb 2015
1953025;1574589406;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-22-feb-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 22 Feb 2015
1953026;1574589538;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-01-mar-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 01 Mar 2015
1953027;1574589540;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-28-feb-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 28 Feb 2015
1953028;1574589543;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-27-feb-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 27 Feb 2015
1953029;1574589604;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-26-feb-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 26 Feb 2015
1953030;1574589796;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-05-mar-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 05 Mar 2015
1953031;1574589798;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-04-mar-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 04 Mar 2015
1953032;1574589800;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-03-mar-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 03 Mar 2015
1953033;1574589863;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-02-mar-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 02 Mar 2015
1953034;1574590055;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-09-mar-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 09 Mar 2015
1953035;1574590057;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-08-mar-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 08 Mar 2015
1953036;1574590059;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-07-mar-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 07 Mar 2015
1953037;1574590121;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-06-mar-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 06 Mar 2015
1953038;1574590255;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-14-mar-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 14 Mar 2015
1953039;1574590257;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-13-mar-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 13 Mar 2015
1953040;1574590259;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-12-mar-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 12 Mar 2015
1953041;1574590321;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-11-mar-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 11 Mar 2015
1953042;1574590323;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-10-mar-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 10 Mar 2015
1953043;1574590517;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-18-mar-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 18 Mar 2015
1953044;1574590519;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-17-mar-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 17 Mar 2015
1953045;1574590521;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-16-mar-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 16 Mar 2015
1953046;1574590583;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-15-mar-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 15 Mar 2015
1953047;1574590775;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-22-mar-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 22 Mar 2015
1953048;1574590777;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-21-mar-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 21 Mar 2015
1953049;1574590779;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-20-mar-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 20 Mar 2015
1953050;1574590841;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-19-mar-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 19 Mar 2015
1953051;1574590973;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-26-mar-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 26 Mar 2015
1953052;1574590975;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-25-mar-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 25 Mar 2015
1953053;1574590977;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-24-mar-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 24 Mar 2015
1953054;1574591039;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-23-mar-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 23 Mar 2015
1953055;1574591231;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-30-mar-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 30 Mar 2015
1953056;1574591233;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-29-mar-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 29 Mar 2015
1953057;1574591235;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-28-mar-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 28 Mar 2015
1953058;1574591297;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-27-mar-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 27 Mar 2015
1953059;1574591489;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-03-apr-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 03 Apr 2015
1953060;1574591491;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-02-apr-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 02 Apr 2015
1953061;1574591493;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-01-apr-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 01 Apr 2015
1953062;1574591555;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-31-mar-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 31 Mar 2015
1953063;1574591687;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-07-apr-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 07 Apr 2015
1953064;1574591689;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-06-apr-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 06 Apr 2015
1953065;1574591691;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-05-apr-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 05 Apr 2015
1953066;1574591753;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-04-apr-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 04 Apr 2015
1953067;1574591945;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-11-apr-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 11 Apr 2015
1953068;1574591947;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-10-apr-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 10 Apr 2015
1953069;1574591949;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-09-apr-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 09 Apr 2015
1953070;1574592011;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-08-apr-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 08 Apr 2015
1953071;1574592205;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-15-apr-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 15 Apr 2015
1953072;1574592207;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-14-apr-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 14 Apr 2015
1953073;1574592209;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-13-apr-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 13 Apr 2015
1953074;1574592271;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-12-apr-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 12 Apr 2015
1953075;1574592405;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-21-apr-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 21 Apr 2015
1953076;1574592407;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-20-apr-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 20 Apr 2015
1953077;1574592409;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-18-apr-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 18 Apr 2015
1953078;1574592471;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-17-apr-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 17 Apr 2015
1953079;1574592473;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-16-apr-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 16 Apr 2015
1953080;1574592665;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-25-apr-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 25 Apr 2015
1953081;1574592667;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-24-apr-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 24 Apr 2015
1953082;1574592669;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-23-apr-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 23 Apr 2015
1953083;1574592731;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-22-apr-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 22 Apr 2015
1953084;1574592923;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-29-apr-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 29 Apr 2015
1953085;1574592925;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-28-apr-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 28 Apr 2015
1953086;1574592927;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-27-apr-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 27 Apr 2015
1953087;1574592989;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-26-apr-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 26 Apr 2015
1953088;1574593121;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-03-may-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 03 May 2015
1953089;1574593123;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-02-may-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 02 May 2015
1953090;1574593125;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-01-may-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 01 May 2015
1953091;1574593187;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-30-apr-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 30 Apr 2015
1953092;1574593379;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-06-may-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 06 May 2015
1953093;1574593381;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-05-may-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 05 May 2015
1953094;1574593383;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-04-may-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 04 May 2015
1953095;1574593636;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-11-may-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 11 May 2015
1953096;1574593637;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-10-may-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 10 May 2015
1953097;1574593639;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-09-may-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 09 May 2015
1953098;1574593701;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-08-may-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 08 May 2015
1953099;1574593832;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-16-may-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 16 May 2015
1953100;1574593834;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-15-may-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 15 May 2015
1953101;1574593836;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-14-may-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 14 May 2015
1953102;1574593898;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-13-may-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 13 May 2015
1953103;1574593900;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-12-may-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 12 May 2015
1953104;1574594094;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-20-may-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 20 May 2015
1953105;1574594096;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-19-may-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 19 May 2015
1953106;1574594098;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-18-may-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 18 May 2015
1953107;1574594160;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-17-may-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 17 May 2015
1953108;1574594352;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-24-may-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 24 May 2015
1953109;1574594354;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-23-may-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 23 May 2015
1953110;1574594356;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-22-may-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 22 May 2015
1953111;1574594418;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-21-may-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 21 May 2015
1953112;1574594550;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-28-may-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 28 May 2015
1953113;1574594552;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-27-may-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 27 May 2015
1953114;1574594554;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-26-may-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 26 May 2015
1953115;1574594616;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-25-may-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 25 May 2015
1953116;1574594808;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-01-jun-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 01 Jun 2015
1953117;1574594810;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-31-may-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 31 May 2015
1953118;1574594812;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-30-may-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 30 May 2015
1953119;1574594874;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-29-may-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 29 May 2015
1953120;1574595066;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-05-jun-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 05 Jun 2015
1953121;1574595068;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-04-jun-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 04 Jun 2015
1953122;1574595070;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-03-jun-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 03 Jun 2015
1953123;1574595132;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-02-jun-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 02 Jun 2015
1953124;1574595326;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-10-jun-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 10 Jun 2015
1953125;1574595328;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-09-jun-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 09 Jun 2015
1953126;1574595330;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-08-jun-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 08 Jun 2015
1953127;1574595392;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-07-jun-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 07 Jun 2015
1953128;1574595394;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-06-jun-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 06 Jun 2015
1953129;1574595528;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-14-jun-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 14 Jun 2015
1953130;1574595530;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-13-jun-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 13 Jun 2015
1953131;1574595532;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-12-jun-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 12 Jun 2015
1953132;1574595594;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-11-jun-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 11 Jun 2015
1953133;1574595786;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-18-jun-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 18 Jun 2015
1953134;1574595788;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-17-jun-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 17 Jun 2015
1953135;1574595790;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-16-jun-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 16 Jun 2015
1953136;1574595852;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-15-jun-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 15 Jun 2015
1953137;1574596044;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-22-jun-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 22 Jun 2015
1953138;1574596046;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-21-jun-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 21 Jun 2015
1953139;1574596048;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-20-jun-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 20 Jun 2015
1953140;1574596110;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-19-jun-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 19 Jun 2015
1953141;1574596242;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-26-jun-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 26 Jun 2015
1953142;1574596244;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-25-jun-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 25 Jun 2015
1953143;1574596246;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-24-jun-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 24 Jun 2015
1953144;1574596308;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-23-jun-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 23 Jun 2015
1953145;1574596504;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-01-jul-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 01 Jul 2015
1953146;1574596506;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-30-jun-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 30 Jun 2015
1953147;1574596508;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-29-jun-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 29 Jun 2015
1953148;1574596570;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-28-jun-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 28 Jun 2015
1953149;1574596572;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-27-jun-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 27 Jun 2015
1953150;1574596764;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-05-jul-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 05 Jul 2015
1953151;1574596766;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-04-jul-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 04 Jul 2015
1953152;1574596768;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-03-jul-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 03 Jul 2015
1953153;1574596830;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-02-jul-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 02 Jul 2015
1953154;1574596962;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-09-jul-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 09 Jul 2015
1953155;1574596964;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-08-jul-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 08 Jul 2015
1953156;1574596966;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-07-jul-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 07 Jul 2015
1953157;1574597028;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-06-jul-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 06 Jul 2015
1953158;1574597220;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-13-jul-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 13 Jul 2015
1953159;1574597223;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-12-jul-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 12 Jul 2015
1953160;1574597225;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-11-jul-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 11 Jul 2015
1953161;1574597286;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-10-jul-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 10 Jul 2015
1953162;1574597479;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-17-jul-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 17 Jul 2015
1953163;1574597481;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-16-jul-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 16 Jul 2015
1953164;1574597483;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-15-jul-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 15 Jul 2015
1953165;1574597545;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-14-jul-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 14 Jul 2015
1953166;1574597677;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-21-jul-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 21 Jul 2015
1953167;1574597679;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-20-jul-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 20 Jul 2015
1953168;1574597681;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-19-jul-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 19 Jul 2015
1953169;1574597743;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-18-jul-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 18 Jul 2015
1953170;1574597935;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-25-jul-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 25 Jul 2015
1953171;1574597937;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-24-jul-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 24 Jul 2015
1953172;1574597939;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-23-jul-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 23 Jul 2015
1953173;1574598001;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-22-jul-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 22 Jul 2015
1953174;1574598193;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-29-jul-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 29 Jul 2015
1953175;1574598195;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-28-jul-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 28 Jul 2015
1953176;1574598197;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-27-jul-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 27 Jul 2015
1953177;1574598259;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-26-jul-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 26 Jul 2015
1953178;1574598393;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-02-aug-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 02 Aug 2015
1953179;1574598395;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-01-aug-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 01 Aug 2015
1953180;1574598397;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-31-jul-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 31 Jul 2015
1953181;1574598459;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-30-jul-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 30 Jul 2015
1953182;1574598653;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-05-aug-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 05 Aug 2015
1953183;1574598655;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-04-aug-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 04 Aug 2015
1953184;1574598657;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-03-aug-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 03 Aug 2015
1953185;1574598849;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-11-aug-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 11 Aug 2015
1953186;1574598851;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-10-aug-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 10 Aug 2015
1953187;1574598853;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-09-aug-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 09 Aug 2015
1953188;1574598915;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-08-aug-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 08 Aug 2015
1953189;1574599101;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-15-aug-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 15 Aug 2015
1953190;1574599103;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-14-aug-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 14 Aug 2015
1953191;1574599105;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-13-aug-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 13 Aug 2015
1953192;1574599167;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-12-aug-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 12 Aug 2015
1953193;1574599359;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-19-aug-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 19 Aug 2015
1953194;1574599361;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-18-aug-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 18 Aug 2015
1953195;1574599363;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-17-aug-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 17 Aug 2015
1953196;1574599425;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-16-aug-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 16 Aug 2015
1953197;1574599617;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-23-aug-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 23 Aug 2015
1953198;1574599619;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-22-aug-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 22 Aug 2015
1953199;1574599621;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-20-aug-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 20 Aug 2015
1953200;1574599813;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-27-aug-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 27 Aug 2015
1953201;1574599815;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-26-aug-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 26 Aug 2015
1953202;1574599817;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-25-aug-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 25 Aug 2015
1953203;1574599879;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-24-aug-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 24 Aug 2015
1953204;1574600067;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-31-aug-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 31 Aug 2015
1953205;1574600069;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-30-aug-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 30 Aug 2015
1953206;1574600071;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-28-aug-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 28 Aug 2015
1953207;1574600323;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-04-sep-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 04 Sep 2015
1953208;1574600325;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-03-sep-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 03 Sep 2015
1953209;1574600327;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-02-sep-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 02 Sep 2015
1953210;1574600389;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-01-sep-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 01 Sep 2015
1953211;1574600519;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-08-sep-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 08 Sep 2015
1953212;1574600521;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-07-sep-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 07 Sep 2015
1953213;1574600523;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-06-sep-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 06 Sep 2015
1953214;1574600585;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-05-sep-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 05 Sep 2015
1953215;1574600779;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-13-sep-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 13 Sep 2015
1953216;1574600781;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-12-sep-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 12 Sep 2015
1953217;1574600783;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-11-sep-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 11 Sep 2015
1953218;1574600845;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-10-sep-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 10 Sep 2015
1953219;1574601034;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-17-sep-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 17 Sep 2015
1953220;1574601036;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-16-sep-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 16 Sep 2015
1953221;1574601038;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-15-sep-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 15 Sep 2015
1953222;1574601100;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-14-sep-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 14 Sep 2015
1953223;1574601292;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-21-sep-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 21 Sep 2015
1953224;1574601294;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-20-sep-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 20 Sep 2015
1953225;1574601296;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-19-sep-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 19 Sep 2015
1953226;1574601358;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-18-sep-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 18 Sep 2015
1953227;1574601490;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-25-sep-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 25 Sep 2015
1953228;1574601492;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-24-sep-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 24 Sep 2015
1953229;1574601494;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-23-sep-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 23 Sep 2015
1953230;1574601556;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-22-sep-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 22 Sep 2015
1953231;1574601748;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-29-sep-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 29 Sep 2015
1953232;1574601750;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-28-sep-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 28 Sep 2015
1953233;1574601752;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-27-sep-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 27 Sep 2015
1953234;1574601814;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-26-sep-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 26 Sep 2015
1953235;1574602010;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-05-oct-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 05 Oct 2015
1953236;1574602012;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-04-oct-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 04 Oct 2015
1953237;1574602014;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-03-oct-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 03 Oct 2015
1953238;1574602076;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-01-oct-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 01 Oct 2015
1953239;1574602078;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-30-sep-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 30 Sep 2015
1953240;1574602210;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-09-oct-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 09 Oct 2015
1953241;1574602212;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-08-oct-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 08 Oct 2015
1953242;1574602214;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-07-oct-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 07 Oct 2015
1953243;1574602276;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-06-oct-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 06 Oct 2015
1953244;1574602468;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-13-oct-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 13 Oct 2015
1953245;1574602470;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-12-oct-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 12 Oct 2015
1953246;1574602472;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-11-oct-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 11 Oct 2015
1953247;1574602534;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-10-oct-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 10 Oct 2015
1953248;1574602726;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-17-oct-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 17 Oct 2015
1953249;1574602728;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-16-oct-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 16 Oct 2015
1953250;1574602730;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-15-oct-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 15 Oct 2015
1953251;1574602792;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-14-oct-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 14 Oct 2015
1953252;1574602984;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-22-oct-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 22 Oct 2015
1953253;1574602986;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-21-oct-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 21 Oct 2015
1953254;1574602988;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-20-oct-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 20 Oct 2015
1953255;1574603050;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-19-oct-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 19 Oct 2015
1953256;1574603052;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-18-oct-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 18 Oct 2015
1953257;1574603188;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-26-oct-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 26 Oct 2015
1953258;1574603190;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-25-oct-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 25 Oct 2015
1953259;1574603192;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-24-oct-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 24 Oct 2015
1953260;1574603254;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-23-oct-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 23 Oct 2015
1953261;1574603446;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-30-oct-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 30 Oct 2015
1953262;1574603448;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-29-oct-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 29 Oct 2015
1953263;1574603450;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-28-oct-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 28 Oct 2015
1953264;1574603512;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-27-oct-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 27 Oct 2015
1953265;1574603704;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-03-nov-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 03 Nov 2015
1953266;1574603706;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-02-nov-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 02 Nov 2015
1953267;1574603708;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-01-nov-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 01 Nov 2015
1953268;1574603770;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-31-oct-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 31 Oct 2015
1953269;1574603902;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-07-nov-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 07 Nov 2015
1953270;1574603904;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-06-nov-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 06 Nov 2015
1953271;1574603906;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-05-nov-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 05 Nov 2015
1953272;1574603968;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-04-nov-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 04 Nov 2015
1953273;1574604162;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-12-nov-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 12 Nov 2015
1953274;1574604164;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-11-nov-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 11 Nov 2015
1953275;1574604166;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-10-nov-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 10 Nov 2015
1953276;1574604228;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-09-nov-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 09 Nov 2015
1953277;1574604230;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-08-nov-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 08 Nov 2015
1953278;1574604424;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-16-nov-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 16 Nov 2015
1953279;1574604426;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-15-nov-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 15 Nov 2015
1953280;1574604428;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-14-nov-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 14 Nov 2015
1953281;1574604490;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-13-nov-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 13 Nov 2015
1953282;1574604623;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-20-nov-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 20 Nov 2015
1953283;1574604625;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-19-nov-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 19 Nov 2015
1953284;1574604627;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-18-nov-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 18 Nov 2015
1953285;1574604688;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-17-nov-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 17 Nov 2015
1953286;1574604881;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-24-nov-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 24 Nov 2015
1953287;1574604883;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-23-nov-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 23 Nov 2015
1953288;1574604885;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-22-nov-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 22 Nov 2015
1953289;1574604947;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-21-nov-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 21 Nov 2015
1953290;1574605139;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-28-nov-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 28 Nov 2015
1953291;1574605141;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-27-nov-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 27 Nov 2015
1953292;1574605143;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-25-nov-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 25 Nov 2015
1953293;1574605335;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-02-dec-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 02 Dec 2015
1953294;1574605337;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-01-dec-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 01 Dec 2015
1953295;1574605339;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-30-nov-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 30 Nov 2015
1953296;1574605401;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-29-nov-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 29 Nov 2015
1953297;1574605589;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-06-dec-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 06 Dec 2015
1953298;1574605591;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-05-dec-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 05 Dec 2015
1953299;1574605593;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-04-dec-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 04 Dec 2015
1953300;1574605655;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-03-dec-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 03 Dec 2015
1953301;1574605849;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-10-dec-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 10 Dec 2015
1953302;1574605851;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-09-dec-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 09 Dec 2015
1953303;1574605853;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-08-dec-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 08 Dec 2015
1953304;1574605915;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-07-dec-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 07 Dec 2015
1953305;1574606049;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-15-dec-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 15 Dec 2015
1953306;1574606051;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-14-dec-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 14 Dec 2015
1953307;1574606053;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-13-dec-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 13 Dec 2015
1953308;1574606115;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-12-dec-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 12 Dec 2015
1953309;1574606117;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-11-dec-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 11 Dec 2015
1953310;1574606314;feedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2019/11/24/some-questions-for-early-mornings/ << Ossa Sepia -- Some Questions for Early Mornings
1953311;1574606316;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-19-dec-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 19 Dec 2015
1953312;1574606378;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-18-dec-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 18 Dec 2015
1953313;1574606380;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-17-dec-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 17 Dec 2015
1953314;1574606382;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-16-dec-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 16 Dec 2015
1953315;1574606569;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-23-dec-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 23 Dec 2015
1953316;1574606571;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-22-dec-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 22 Dec 2015
1953317;1574606573;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-21-dec-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 21 Dec 2015
1953318;1574606635;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-20-dec-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 20 Dec 2015
1953319;1574606829;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-27-dec-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 27 Dec 2015
1953320;1574606831;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-26-dec-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 26 Dec 2015
1953321;1574606833;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-25-dec-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 25 Dec 2015
1953322;1574606895;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-24-dec-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 24 Dec 2015
1953323;1574607027;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-31-dec-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 31 Dec 2015
1953324;1574607029;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-30-dec-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 30 Dec 2015
1953325;1574607031;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-29-dec-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 29 Dec 2015
1953326;1574607093;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-28-dec-2015/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 28 Dec 2015
1953327;1574607287;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-05-jan-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 05 Jan 2016
1953328;1574607289;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-04-jan-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 04 Jan 2016
1953329;1574607291;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-03-jan-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 03 Jan 2016
1953330;1574607353;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-02-jan-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 02 Jan 2016
1953331;1574607355;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-01-jan-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 01 Jan 2016
1953332;1574607489;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-09-jan-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 09 Jan 2016
1953333;1574607491;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-08-jan-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 08 Jan 2016
1953334;1574607493;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-07-jan-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 07 Jan 2016
1953335;1574607555;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-06-jan-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 06 Jan 2016
1953336;1574607747;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-13-jan-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 13 Jan 2016
1953337;1574607749;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-12-jan-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 12 Jan 2016
1953338;1574607751;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-11-jan-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 11 Jan 2016
1953339;1574607999;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-16-jan-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 16 Jan 2016
1953340;1574608001;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-15-jan-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 15 Jan 2016
1953341;1574608003;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-14-jan-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 14 Jan 2016
1953342;1574608255;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-21-jan-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 21 Jan 2016
1953343;1574608257;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-20-jan-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 20 Jan 2016
1953344;1574608260;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-18-jan-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 18 Jan 2016
1953345;1574608448;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-25-jan-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 25 Jan 2016
1953346;1574608450;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-24-jan-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 24 Jan 2016
1953347;1574608451;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-23-jan-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 23 Jan 2016
1953348;1574608514;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-22-jan-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 22 Jan 2016
1953349;1574608702;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-28-jan-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 28 Jan 2016
1953350;1574608704;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-27-jan-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 27 Jan 2016
1953351;1574608706;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-26-jan-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 26 Jan 2016
1953352;1574608960;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-02-feb-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 02 Feb 2016
1953353;1574608962;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-01-feb-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 01 Feb 2016
1953354;1574608964;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-31-jan-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 31 Jan 2016
1953355;1574609026;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-30-jan-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 30 Jan 2016
1953356;1574609216;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-07-feb-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 07 Feb 2016
1953357;1574609218;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-06-feb-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 06 Feb 2016
1953358;1574609220;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-05-feb-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 05 Feb 2016
1953359;1574609282;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-04-feb-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 04 Feb 2016
1953360;1574609284;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-03-feb-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 03 Feb 2016
1953361;1574609416;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-11-feb-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 11 Feb 2016
1953362;1574609418;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-10-feb-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 10 Feb 2016
1953363;1574609420;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-09-feb-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 09 Feb 2016
1953364;1574609482;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-08-feb-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 08 Feb 2016
1953365;1574609674;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-15-feb-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 15 Feb 2016
1953366;1574609676;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-14-feb-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 14 Feb 2016
1953367;1574609678;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-13-feb-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 13 Feb 2016
1953368;1574609740;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-12-feb-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 12 Feb 2016
1953369;1574609932;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-19-feb-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 19 Feb 2016
1953370;1574609934;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-18-feb-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 18 Feb 2016
1953371;1574609936;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-17-feb-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 17 Feb 2016
1953372;1574609998;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-16-feb-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 16 Feb 2016
1953373;1574610192;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-24-feb-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 24 Feb 2016
1953374;1574610194;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-23-feb-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 23 Feb 2016
1953375;1574610196;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-22-feb-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 22 Feb 2016
1953376;1574610258;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-21-feb-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 21 Feb 2016
1953377;1574610260;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-20-feb-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 20 Feb 2016
1953378;1574610394;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-28-feb-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 28 Feb 2016
1953379;1574610396;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-27-feb-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 27 Feb 2016
1953380;1574610398;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-26-feb-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 26 Feb 2016
1953381;1574610460;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-25-feb-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 25 Feb 2016
1953382;1574610652;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-03-mar-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 03 Mar 2016
1953383;1574610654;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-02-mar-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 02 Mar 2016
1953384;1574610656;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-01-mar-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 01 Mar 2016
1953385;1574610718;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-29-feb-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 29 Feb 2016
1953386;1574610910;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-07-mar-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 07 Mar 2016
1953387;1574610912;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-06-mar-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 06 Mar 2016
1953388;1574610914;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-05-mar-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 05 Mar 2016
1953389;1574610976;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-04-mar-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 04 Mar 2016
1953390;1574611108;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-11-mar-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 11 Mar 2016
1953391;1574611110;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-10-mar-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 10 Mar 2016
1953392;1574611112;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-09-mar-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 09 Mar 2016
1953393;1574611174;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-08-mar-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 08 Mar 2016
1953394;1574611366;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-15-mar-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 15 Mar 2016
1953395;1574611368;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-14-mar-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 14 Mar 2016
1953396;1574611370;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-13-mar-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 13 Mar 2016
1953397;1574611432;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-12-mar-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 12 Mar 2016
1953398;1574611628;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-20-mar-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 20 Mar 2016
1953399;1574611630;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-19-mar-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 19 Mar 2016
1953400;1574611632;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-18-mar-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 18 Mar 2016
1953401;1574611694;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-17-mar-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 17 Mar 2016
1953402;1574611696;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-16-mar-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 16 Mar 2016
1953403;1574611829;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-24-mar-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 24 Mar 2016
1953404;1574611830;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-23-mar-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 23 Mar 2016
1953405;1574611832;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-22-mar-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 22 Mar 2016
1953406;1574611894;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-21-mar-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 21 Mar 2016
1953407;1574612087;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-27-mar-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 27 Mar 2016
1953408;1574612089;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-26-mar-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 26 Mar 2016
1953409;1574612090;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-25-mar-2016/ << Trilema -- Forum logs for 25 Mar 2016
1953410;1574613363;mircea_popescu;o.O
1953411;1574613369;mircea_popescu;yay, it's done!
1953412;1574613419;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in mandatory crossposting, http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/eulora/2019-11-24#1000980
1953413;1574613419;ossabot;(eulora) 2019-11-24 mircea_popescu: "the more insane drivel I read from proponents of Free Software and Open Source, the more convinced I am that this once noble movement will go away and not even become a footnote in the history of mankind when their real goal has been achieved: the destruction of Microsoft."
1953414;1574613446;mircea_popescu;aand congrats spyked on the feedbot not falling down
1953415;1574613570;mircea_popescu;in other news, it took me 18 reloads to hit on a log article in the random trilema rotation. considering there's ~1500 of the damn things, puts its immensity well in perspective.
1953416;1574613575;mircea_popescu;#goodluckcatchingup
1953417;1574613976;BingoBoingo;That looked very smooth from here.
1953418;1574614227;diana_coman;those 2012 logs though seemed very light on content, just here and there, probably can even filter by nicks and be done with it.
1953419;1574614323;mircea_popescu;prolly.
1953420;1574614344;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo, just a lengthy pile of fiddling and whatnot, the way these format conversions usually go.
1953421;1574614356;mircea_popescu;annoying as fuck for a coupla days, but other than that... yeah.
1953422;1574614423;BingoBoingo;Once it clicked though, a nice solid stream of content once locked into a legacy format entered the format of the future.
1953423;1574614470;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, there's the occasional gem in there, you know, "oh, five bucks is way too much for a coin' "selling 200 btc" etc
1953424;1574614644;mircea_popescu;or like the naggum quotes and so on. but yeah, as far as contributions go, early 2010s period "bitcoin community" is exactly the collection of spurious & idle retards it stayed throughout.
1953425;1574614690;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/11/on-eve-of-election-uruguayan-naval-bus-attacked-by-stone-throwing-electronic-dance-militants/ << Qntra -- On Eve Of Election Uruguayan Naval Bus Attacked By Stone Throwing Electronic Dance Militants
1953426;1574614695;BingoBoingo;^ Now that logflood is over can finally hit publish.
1953427;1574614788;*;BingoBoingo missed the attack on the bus. Did check out the crowd but wrote it off as low energy.
1953428;1574615172;feedbot;http://bimbo.club/2019/11/chicago-2018/ << Bimbo Club -- Chicago 2018
1953429;1574616012;mircea_popescu;what the everloving fuck is a naval bus
1953430;1574616162;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well, navy has to move its people around. This is Uruguay, their default transportation flag is set to bus. And so the Navy shuttles its folks around on its own Navy bus line serving all 5k or so navy folks.
1953431;1574616175;mircea_popescu;keks
1953432;1574616207;BingoBoingo;Why they don't just cart them around in the back of the Prefectura Naval pickup trucks is a mystery to me.
1953433;1574616315;BingoBoingo;Around this time last year was when they started having motorcycle naval infantry start escorting the prefectura trucks to put on a show for tourists or whatever. Why the bus didn't get motorcycle marines is also a mystery.
1953434;1574616556;mircea_popescu;ahaha so 1950s midwest, motorcycle escorted bus
1953435;1574616568;mircea_popescu;could maybe find some remaindered white helmets / elbow leather gloves
1953436;1574617268;mircea_popescu;!!invoice jfw 0.055 http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950571
1953437;1574617268;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-12 05:49:34 auctionbot: Sell order # 1063 has ENDED: selling items 1, 2 and 4 through 7 on http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bones/snsa_1_nov_2019.txt ; buyer to take possession at his own expense. SOLD to jfw for 55mn ecu. Attn: mp_en_viaje
1953438;1574617273;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=TpxB
1953439;1574617755;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I suspect the Uruguayos want Montevideo to be turn of the century meatpacking boom Chicago more than they want it to be New York or Miami.
1953440;1574617865;BingoBoingo;Anyways, I'll start cranking up the pre-emptive photography on the assumption low energy crowds could be misrepresented in hostile press as pink color revolutions.
1953441;1574618080;BingoBoingo;Last night's crowd was a dense collection of bipeds with a headcount that easily exceeded the entire naval manpower of Uruguay, but... they didn't have any energy at all.
1953442;1574618136;mircea_popescu;kinda what ourdemocracy is all about, neh ? pretend large gathered crowds are enough
1953443;1574618504;mircea_popescu;oh, right, speaking of the log deluge : http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-27-mar-2016/#2067222 << last item refcount
1953444;1574619066;BingoBoingo;Well, not even that. They misrepresent what the crowds gathered for. Last night's crowd was big, but it was mostly folks tomando mate and bobbing along to some sorta faulty alt-FUCKGOATS output.
1953445;1574624025;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile in local voter fraud - http://archive.is/GwJbO Apparently Frentistas are marking voting slips in the secret ballot room with the aim of having folks trying to vote in earnest end up submitting annuled voting slips.
1953446;1574624042;BingoBoingo;Democracy in action!
1953447;1574633550;BingoBoingo;And calls among the local left to take up arms and start doing the guerilla thing are making it to their public publications! http://archive.is/000jq
1953448;1574633588;BingoBoingo;Guess I'll be seeing if the "call to arms" derpery is actually plugged into derps with arms or not.
1953449;1574634014;jfw;mircea_popescu: [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-24#1953369][this] has not gone through as yet. Possibly it's waiting on your !!v
1953450;1574634015;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-24 13:48:10 mircea_popescu: !!invoice jfw 0.055 http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950571
1953451;1574634373;mircea_popescu;it is yeah. i'll get to it later today
1953452;1574634493;jfw;ty.
1953453;1574638282;BingoBoingo;Election called seconds ago for Luis. Fireworks!
1953454;1574638697;BingoBoingo;So many fireworks. only a couple car alarms.
1953455;1574641512;BingoBoingo;And shit's gone to a "technical tie." Either this is news derps trying to goose their ratings or the Left is trying to steal the election.
1953456;1574641609;BingoBoingo;Or they want to raise the herpity derp hopes enough to maybe push them into burning shit down.
1953457;1574643662;BingoBoingo;89.6 of the votes counted 30,000 vote difference favoring Luis. May be the case the right ends up rioting and burning shit down.
1953458;1574643911;mircea_popescu;ha, ever been in a riot ?
1953459;1574644032;BingoBoingo;Not yet
1953460;1574644056;BingoBoingo;I've been near, but not inside.
1953461;1574644106;BingoBoingo;From what I understand of riots, the side with horses tends to have an advantage provided they understand the how cavalry works
1953462;1574644159;BingoBoingo;In an update to last night's mess, apparently the kids in addition to the Navy bus busted up a bunch of street parked cars a couple blocks from me.
1953463;1574644340;BingoBoingo;92.5% of circuits reporting just under 32,000 vote advantage to Luis over fat forehead. Balancing that are 125,876 blank, annuled, or observed votes which have been discarded per anti-vote buying rules.
1953464;1574650157;BingoBoingo;And the fat forehead candidate refused to concede http://qntra.net/2019/11/uruguays-electoral-court-waiting-until-next-friday-to-certify-presidental-ballot-results-after-apparent-luis-lacalle-pou-victory/
1953465;1574650238;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/11/uruguays-electoral-court-waiting-until-next-friday-to-certify-presidental-ballot-results-after-apparent-luis-lacalle-pou-victory/ << Qntra -- Uruguay's Electoral Court Waiting Until Next Friday To Certify Presidental Ballot Results After Apparent Luis Lacalle Pou Victory
1953466;1574661721;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-20#1951621 << k, I've got this [http://blog.ericbenevides.com/2019/11/trilema-lobbes-log-for-2019-11-25/#identifier_0_938][working] now.
1953467;1574661721;ericbot;Logged on 2019-11-20 12:07:50 mircea_popescu: could you replace all instances of 4byte utf with [X ((Symbolic representation of Mother Goddess / Great Inca / USG's State Corporations has been removed.))] plox ?
1953468;1574661724;lobbes;I've only a few trivial cosmetic changes to make at this point (e.g. I'm going to add those [http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-12-jan-2012/#comment-132433][reference links on the timestamps), as well as the line echo
1953469;1574661730;lobbes;I've also got the [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-21#1951637][Malaysia server] provisioned as of this time. I've ssh-ed into the box, but that is about it. I will get the remainder of the LAMP stack installed tomorrow methinks.
1953470;1574661730;ericbot;Logged on 2019-11-21 00:48:03 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-15#1951273 << just to address this, I'm in the process of provisioning a rented server in Malaysia. Some company called [https://www.shinjiru.com/][Shinjiru]. I will keep you updated on this
1953471;1574661979;*;lobbes did indeed have to do the whole 'account' thing, but will ride that horse
1953472;1574670477;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-24#1953347 <-- huh, looks like it survived the deluge indeed :D
1953473;1574670478;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-24 12:44:27 mircea_popescu: aand congrats spyked on the feedbot not falling down
1953474;1574670545;spyked;in sadder news, less than a month after [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-02#1949366][being mentioned here], kolector.ro is gone
1953475;1574670545;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-02 17:46:05 mircea_popescu: hey spyked check this stuff out! http://kolector.ro/2014/12/16/marturia-unei-corespondente-necenzurate-despre-teroarea-regimului-dej/
1953476;1574673453;diana_coman;as I was going yesterday through my blog's archives, ~all of the links to .ro are dead; life on the internets is short apparently.
1953477;1574681513;spyked;ah. at some point the ro tld provider changed the pricing model from indefinite to yearly subscription-based. so I suspect many abandoned sites went offline when their domains expired.
1953478;1574682089;diana_coman;ah, that would be very likely; not like they weren't dead, but essentially got swept up too.
1953479;1574685725;mircea_popescu;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953399 << yay.
1953480;1574685726;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-25 02:09:06 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-20#1951621 << k, I've got this [http://blog.ericbenevides.com/2019/11/trilema-lobbes-log-for-2019-11-25/#identifier_0_938][working] now.
1953481;1574685726;ericbot;Logged on 2019-11-20 12:07:50 mircea_popescu: could you replace all instances of 4byte utf with [X ((Symbolic representation of Mother Goddess / Great Inca / USG's State Corporations has been removed.))] plox ?
1953482;1574685742;mircea_popescu;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953401 << beheheautiful!
1953483;1574685743;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-25 02:09:09 lobbes: I've only a few trivial cosmetic changes to make at this point (e.g. I'm going to add those [http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-12-jan-2012/#comment-132433][reference links on the timestamps), as well as the line echo
1953484;1574686107;mircea_popescu;now in sadder news : the problem i have here is that i am traveling. i very carefully introduced stationary windows to be able to look after affairs, but we're [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-31#1948944][just about four weeks] into the current one, which is thereby drawing to a close.
1953485;1574686107;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-31 17:30:40 mp_en_viaje: well... hm. what i mean is, i'm back at eurocastle mp, rather than on the road.
1953486;1574686248;mircea_popescu;i shall be leaving for istanbul / isfahan / lebanon / cairo / tipoli / tunis etc (unless i decide to go luxor and so on from there) in another week or two. i wanted, like a sane fucking person, to have things arranged and in working order by then, and indeed -- removing logging from the inept if stupid hands of "the community" looks like it'll be done, as per above. removing coding from the inept if stupid hands of the
1953487;1574686249;mircea_popescu;community [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/eulora/2019-11-24#1001040][same]
1953488;1574686249;ossabot;(eulora) 2019-11-24 mircea_popescu: aite, this is good then.
1953489;1574686626;mircea_popescu;what's left is the one remainder in the hands of this yet-[http://trilema.com/2013/rota-post-mortem/][another] [http://trilema.com/2019/i-suppose-we-could-call-this-a-state-of-the-sadness-or-other-things/?b=Try%20and%20recall&e=stretching#select][ex]-republic (ex, through its failure, conscious even if disavowed, an' in any case vehehehery carefully constructed out of vehehehehery carefully curated [http://trilema.com/2
1953490;1574686626;mircea_popescu;009/exceptionalismul-feminin/][cuntheadedness]) : http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1950066
1953491;1574686627;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-06 23:32:29 mircea_popescu: trinque, suppose spyked's game, and what you have to do is run the two fellows + whatever we can meaningfully accrete through the tmsr-ization of cuntoo.
1953492;1574686711;mircea_popescu;seems to me today november the 25th we've not moved inch one away from [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950574][nov 12th], though it's been two weeks. i don't expect anything substantially different will occur in the remaining two, so i'll just conclude that for whatever reason trinque's not the man for this job.
1953493;1574686712;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-12 06:52:21 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950564 << my only take-away is that trinque does not want to own the tmsr os. whether this is because ye olde manaloning & etc silly habits of boihood are just that hard to break, or for whatever reason. i can't quite discern, seeing how he talks little and mostly besides the point.
1953494;1574686757;mircea_popescu;so i guess... let's try promoting from the ranks, what could it possibly hurt.
1953495;1574686774;mircea_popescu;yo dorion , you wanna head the tmsr-os project for us ?
1953496;1574686908;diana_coman;just in case he had found things moving too slowly around here, lolz.
1953497;1574686913;mircea_popescu;you know ?
1953498;1574686955;mircea_popescu;time fucking flies, dude, what the fuck can i say. it's been a month! how long am i gonna sit in this warehouse.
1953499;1574687041;mircea_popescu;i get it, the internet's best-in-the-world, whatever. i've done all the film watching an' vidya i can stomach.
1953500;1574687121;mircea_popescu;if i have to look at one more "mamaliga cu brinza" nominally, except the brinza is genuine grana padano and the trims are foie gras de canard, beluga roe, anchovies an' pickled green olives my liver's just gonna fall the fuck over.
1953501;1574687140;diana_coman;they are atm under some pressure to finish a working version of [http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2019/gales-bitcoin-wallet-status-preliminary-work-plan-and-code-dump/][a wallet] too but I'd say that is currently at a more tech stage really so the os-planning could start anyway.
1953502;1574687155;diana_coman;ahahah, make it bulz!
1953503;1574687184;mircea_popescu;i dunno, let the guy say his piece, it's [http://trilema.com/2013/youre-gonna-have-to-learn-that-variety-speak/#footnote_15_51632][how it goes].
1953504;1574687201;diana_coman;that for sure.
1953505;1574687212;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, lmao, the mythical being of gijbig would say that, "now just put it all in a pot and bring me a big spoon!"
1953506;1574687339;diana_coman;come to think of it, moving east doesn't sound all that much healthier - less fat and more sugar or what, lolz.
1953507;1574687417;mircea_popescu;but at least you
1953508;1574687418;mircea_popescu;re moving.
1953509;1574687551;mircea_popescu;anyway, i really can't complain, the weather here's a very solid late march, though it be almost december. sunny warm and pretty.
1953510;1574687569;mircea_popescu;actually, i guess ima take the bitchez out for a walk. bbl.
1953511;1574687572;diana_coman;in the warehouse? :))
1953512;1574687576;diana_coman;enjoy.
1953513;1574687581;mircea_popescu;it was a metaphor!
1953514;1574687787;diana_coman;a meta-pa&ptCrhuR
1953515;1574692363;feedbot;http://thewhet.net/2019/11/a-little-bit-of-tinyscheme-a-lot-of-cozonac/ << The Whet -- A Little Bit of TinyScheme, a Lot of Cozonac
1953516;1574693123;mircea_popescu;now that was a pleasant walk!
1953517;1574700145;BingoBoingo;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953427 << I will say, the big advantage this seems to have is diana_coman's pages are getting schooled on communication and organization. If the trend continues and this works out, could be a great demonstration on how to bootstrap people in addition to delivering an OS.
1953518;1574700146;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-25 09:06:23 mircea_popescu: so i guess... let's try promoting from the ranks, what could it possibly hurt.
1953519;1574702663;mircea_popescu;insallah
1953520;1574702732;BingoBoingo;I imagine you'll be hearing plenty of that in the coming weeks
1953521;1574703256;mircea_popescu;lol
1953522;1574706190;diana_coman;!!up dorion_road
1953523;1574706190;deedbot;dorion_road voiced for 30 minutes.
1953524;1574706240;dorion_road;ty diana_coman.
1953525;1574706296;dorion_road;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953428 << my initial bias is to say, yes I want it. Before I take the claim though, I have to better understand what the responsibility of heading the project means.
1953526;1574706297;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-25 09:06:41 mircea_popescu: yo dorion , you wanna head the tmsr-os project for us ?
1953527;1574706370;dorion_road;I don't dispute the noteed [[http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-16#1951452][junior] management status, but am keen to demonstrate the bootstrapping people process, as BB puts it.
1953528;1574706370;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-16 05:57:13 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-16#1951449 - with very junior management though.
1953529;1574706483;diana_coman;nothing better for learning than needing to do it, too.
1953530;1574706533;dorion_road;diana_coman right.
1953531;1574706725;dorion_road;I'm thinking best ot verify my understanding through conversation here, then write an article by the end of the week to solidify the priorities and goals.
1953532;1574706811;dorion_road;My first thoughts about apporaching the position are : 1) clarify the scope ; 2) clarify the priorities ; 3) assign people to execute the priorities ; 4) establish and maintain estimated timeline and stages of delivery ;
1953533;1574706913;diana_coman;dorion_road: I'm sure there will be no problem to discuss those as soon as mircea_popescu gets back to his terminal too.
1953534;1574706939;dorion_road;5) clarify infrastructure and processes for code and documentation distribution ; 6) write a plan and execute raising the quality and growing the quantity of people to get into the WoT and participate/contribute to tmsr(-os).
1953535;1574706983;dorion_road;diana_coman thanks , getting them in async while I have the voice :)
1953536;1574706997;diana_coman;sure.
1953537;1574707236;*;dorion_road has a meeting at 21:30 UTC , will keep an eye out until then and check back later this evening.
1953538;1574711807;jfw;To update on http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950766 , I would be more comfortable with 10 hours a week, at least if it's an "intangibles and goodwill" sort of deal. dorion_road was in accord if I recall. And as discussed with spyked, the limited time could provide a good pressure to keep it productive.
1953539;1574711807;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-12 17:49:00 jfw: my schedule seems pretty packed at least through the end of 2019, perhaps at that point I could make something like 20 hours per week, will have to consider
1953540;1574712028;jfw;([http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-13#1951104][ref])
1953541;1574712029;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-13 05:52:43 mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-13#1951092 << i think it's plenty.
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1953561;1574716292;mircea_popescu;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953458 << nothing new or different, same old thing management always was. write a plan, get people to ~commit~ to parts, chase the commitments, reschedule as needed and so on.
1953562;1574716293;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-25 14:32:04 dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953428 << my initial bias is to say, yes I want it. Before I take the claim though, I have to better understand what the responsibility of heading the project means.
1953563;1574716351;mircea_popescu;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953464 << just don't fucking circumvectamur amore about it, it's how all these other kids died.
1953564;1574716352;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-25 14:39:13 dorion_road: I'm thinking best ot verify my understanding through conversation here, then write an article by the end of the week to solidify the priorities and goals.
1953565;1574716408;mircea_popescu;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953471 << well, your cvasi-corp was working on this anyway, wasn;t it.
1953566;1574716409;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-25 16:03:55 jfw: To update on http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950766 , I would be more comfortable with 10 hours a week, at least if it's an "intangibles and goodwill" sort of deal. dorion_road was in accord if I recall. And as discussed with spyked, the limited time could provide a good pressure to keep it productive.
1953567;1574718187;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: Your tracking information http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=zOdZ
1953568;1574718906;jfw;mircea_popescu: a Linux distro, yes, though my understanding was that what we built there was too narrow in hardware and application support to be of more general interest
1953569;1574719092;diana_coman;BingoBoingo: got that, thanks.
1953570;1574719970;diana_coman;!!v 105ADF0B171AF3C5EB2A6BAA25F5310B05A5BFE35E79438965CFB2A5591AA050
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1953573;1574720000;deedbot;diana_coman paid BingoBoingo invoice 4
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1953575;1574720088;jfw;!!v 2A5B16166DA2BD8EEAB4E79DA04F062A64D37D7D5E585679801FEC2D58240F86
1953576;1574720092;deedbot;jfw paid mircea_popescu invoice 1
1953577;1574720094;jfw;!!v 047C12E5ABE09EE88A3F77BB77A5047FC04E62711AB9E9042D3874C4F91D171C
1953578;1574720097;deedbot;jfw paid BingoBoingo invoice 1
1953579;1574720124;mircea_popescu;jfw, maybe there's mutual parts, what the dell do i know
1953580;1574720329;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: Apparently the Chinese are doing on of their "ban, but not a ban" price manipulation ops
1953581;1574720340;diana_coman;there is that too, indeed.
1953582;1574720630;jfw;mircea_popescu: could be, indeed; I'll keep mine in the queue for publishing as that may help clarify.
1953583;1574720634;diana_coman;hm, mircea_popescu is there any Eulora coppers merchant left?
1953584;1574720668;mircea_popescu;huh, i suppose i'll have to open that up, iirc the last one was dpb
1953585;1574720680;BingoBoingo;jfw: Is the Gales thing a GCC4 toolchain?
1953586;1574720701;jfw;BingoBoingo: 4.7, the last series to not require a c++ compiler to bootstrap
1953587;1574720948;BingoBoingo;jfw: Good. I was checking out some Linux distros as part of the housecleaning, and everything later than 4 is hopeless. The chopped up 0.7.2 bitcoin client I use... sits in ~1.3 GB of RAM on GCC4 linux. Precariously sits in 4-ish GB RAM on GCC6 linux before exploding. Clang, and GCC later than 6, seem impossible.
1953588;1574721027;BingoBoingo;Worked on OpenBSD's weirdo GCC 2-ish thing back before OpenBSD got the bozo bit.
1953589;1574721109;BingoBoingo;Whatever the hell GCC wreckers were doing while they iterated their first digit up to 9 as Stallman mushroomed, there is no fucking way it can be considered improvement.
1953590;1574721121;jfw;advanced modern optimizations, eh?
1953591;1574721147;mircea_popescu;mozillations more like it.
1953592;1574721194;*;BingoBoingo also has no idea what justified version jumping from 4 to 9 in under a decade either.
1953593;1574721217;jfw;mozillations indeed.
1953594;1574721233;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo, moron's immodesty.
1953595;1574721337;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Anyways, while it's still available Devuan Jessie (systemd free Debian fork) seems the least shitty noobable distro of the day that hasn't linkrotted out of existence.
1953596;1574721442;mircea_popescu;as opposed to gentoo whatever, you mean ?
1953597;1574721453;*;BingoBoingo has collection of notes from over the years and recent weeks planned for blogbaking
1953598;1574721501;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Gentoo's problem is it doesn't have a "Gentoo X" where X is a set of reasonably standard tools amenable to documentation.
1953599;1574721538;mircea_popescu;nfi what you're doing fucking with this, seeing how you're supposed to LOOK FOR A JOB
1953600;1574721565;mircea_popescu;suppose the next blogpost is "here's the 500 dcs i talked to"
1953601;1574721581;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Job search is eating the majority of my waking hours. Aite.
1953602;1574722844;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in weird eyebrows, https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/teen-girl-thief-katie-gilsenan-17150812
1953603;1574723226;mircea_popescu;and in other anglo lulz : searches for "teen whores" return naught but, well, porn. as you'd expect. "~teenage~ whores" searches, however, return nothing but retards ranting about how their kids shouldn't suck the cock or whatever usgistani neoprotestant nonsense.
1953604;1574723241;mircea_popescu;apparently english split, "teen" vs "teenage" is how you code for real vs fantasy world.
1953605;1574724784;diana_coman;to me it sounds more like the usual "the current cool" vs "parents' ideas"
1953606;1574724792;diana_coman;ie this sort of "split" happens every generation
1953607;1574724982;mircea_popescu;possibru
1953608;1574725396;diana_coman;in wp/mpwp solved wtfs: those weirdly ordered comments of mine turned out to be the artefact of importing previously deeper-nested comments, sigh.
1953609;1574725716;mircea_popescu;aa
1953610;1574731045;trinque;best of luck to dorion_road then. last I heard neither spyked nor lobbes were free until december, and no, I'm not able to maintain the pace of engagement this appears to require.
1953611;1574732040;BingoBoingo;It's looking like I probably should have started the search with Asia... Fastest non-autoresponder response yet (notably faster than when I approached the place for a quote)
1953612;1574732133;BingoBoingo;16 minutes from my solicitation to: "Let's schedule a conference call. What time works for you?"
1953613;1574732341;BingoBoingo;I am suspecting Asia prefers Gringo employees to gringo entrepreneurs/business partners.
1953614;1574742999;lobbes;fwiw, as I understood it the plan was trinque would be managing spyked and myself on the [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-13#1951029][livecd/usb] work, starting in [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-13#1951085][Dec]
1953615;1574743000;ericbot;Logged on 2019-11-13 01:54:04 trinque: k, so this is little else than creating a signed tarball of the cuntoo bootstrapper's output, and building a livecd/usb that can unpack that item onto a fresh system, bundled with some driver firmware and a try-all-modules kernel.
1953616;1574743000;ericbot;Logged on 2019-11-13 03:01:41 lobbes: I'm aiming to get remainder of mp-wp logger complete in under two weeks. Then rest of Nov I want to tidy up auctionbot. So Dec 1st should be a good starting point for me
1953617;1574743080;lobbes;anyways, why not have dorion come in as the day-to-day manager, with trinque in a more advisory/consultant role? I thought this was more or less the original plan to begin with tbh
1953618;1574753688;diana_coman;BingoBoingo: oh hey, how did the conference call go then?
1953619;1574757258;feedbot;http://bvt-trace.net/2019/11/yet-more-thoughts-about-tmsr-os-os-making-exam-taking/ << bvt's backtrace -- Yet more thoughts about TMSR OS: OS-Making Exam-Taking
1953620;1574757903;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953525 <-- way I see it, this version numbering scheme comes as a consequence of the adoption of a "move fast and break things" ideology. it's just numbers, the guys leading those projects don't try to make any distinction between "major" and "minor" changes anymore
1953621;1574757903;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-25 18:40:23 BingoBoingo: also has no idea what justified version jumping from 4 to 9 in under a decade either.
1953622;1574758012;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953543 <-- actually I've been getting some more intimate knowledge of cuntoo in the last coupla weeks, now I have a write-up I need to do on that... a couple of them even.
1953623;1574758012;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-25 21:24:34 trinque: best of luck to dorion_road then. last I heard neither spyked nor lobbes were free until december, and no, I'm not able to maintain the pace of engagement this appears to require.
1953624;1574758044;*;spyked goes to read bvt's fresh article on this
1953625;1574763401;bvt;spyked: ftr, this is just a brain dump, i'm trying to evolve my own understanding of the problem
1953626;1574773425;mircea_popescu;trinque, not the end of the world, we see how it goes.
1953627;1574773461;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo, that sounds pretty great, actually. what's wrong with asia after all, they have tiny weird looking chicks but i guess one can always rubberband a coupla together and fuck in between the bellies. vaseline conquers all!
1953628;1574774517;mircea_popescu;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-26#1953550 << because we're trying to not be / get out of being in the business of dicking around.
1953629;1574774518;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-26 00:45:11 lobbes: anyways, why not have dorion come in as the day-to-day manager, with trinque in a more advisory/consultant role? I thought this was more or less the original plan to begin with tbh
1953630;1574774651;mircea_popescu;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-26#1953547 << the thing you're quoting doesn't match the structure of a thing that may be quoted as the basis for "i understood" in this context, because it's the innard of a loop rather than the return of the level-adequate conditional block.
1953631;1574774651;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-26 00:43:50 lobbes: fwiw, as I understood it the plan was trinque would be managing spyked and myself on the [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-13#1951029][livecd/usb] work, starting in [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-13#1951085][Dec]
1953632;1574774651;ericbot;Logged on 2019-11-13 01:54:04 trinque: k, so this is little else than creating a signed tarball of the cuntoo bootstrapper's output, and building a livecd/usb that can unpack that item onto a fresh system, bundled with some driver firmware and a try-all-modules kernel.
1953633;1574774652;ericbot;Logged on 2019-11-13 03:01:41 lobbes: I'm aiming to get remainder of mp-wp logger complete in under two weeks. Then rest of Nov I want to tidy up auctionbot. So Dec 1st should be a good starting point for me
1953634;1574774718;mircea_popescu;conversation, at least among well spoken & intelligent people and in the context of organizing work, very well resembles well written programs for well built machines for the exactly obvious reason : that's what the machine aims to be, a well spoken intelligent person.
1953635;1574774875;mircea_popescu;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-26#1953553 << countervailingly, the way i see it is that insecurity flipped once the generations changed ; the generation outgoing with the sept that never ended had a deeply rooted fear of its own inconsequence and inadequacy that manifested in a version of neoprotestant modesty whereby by the time a program reached version 2 something it had passed through three hands or m
1953636;1574774875;mircea_popescu;ore over two decades and nobody was ever gonna make a 3 again.
1953637;1574774876;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-26 04:52:14 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953525 <-- way I see it, this version numbering scheme comes as a consequence of the adoption of a "move fast and break things" ideology. it's just numbers, the guys leading those projects don't try to make any distinction between "major" and "minor" changes anymore
1953638;1574774961;mircea_popescu;whereas for the generation ingoing with the sept that never ended, their exactly just as deeply rooted precisely equal fear of its own inconsequence and inadequacy manifested as version number inflation, with which printing press to pay off on the hopes&dreams of a team of retards. simple monetization of the sacred cows of the previous generation, really, which is how neoprotestantism ever works.
1953639;1574775176;mircea_popescu;"your two hours worth of [http://trilema.com/2012/the-imbecilitarians/#footnote_7_43344][nothing in particular] still make you just as good as say that [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935137][cuck derp] dad's age -- think, he never made a major version revision, but you did! you're so cool...!!!"
1953640;1574775177;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-09 05:40:35 mircea_popescu: all sorta chuck moores, "famous" and apparently ever so good and useful, just WAITING for you to give them a chance to strangle you.
1953641;1574775930;mircea_popescu;which puts the whole "[http://trilema.com/2019/forum-logs-for-13-mar-2013#542666][power ranger]" idiocy in context : "we'll pay you in feelers!"
1953642;1574775930;mircea_popescu;(among teh great advantages of ye log import : sql search for "power" "rangers" now yields 94 rows in set, all of the Forum logs for X format. yippee! i kinda do vaguely regret however not bothering to immortalize the original gushing fan on tardstalk, "oh, you guys are like power rangers!!!" in excited response to the perceived great acumen displayed by hearn fucking up bitcoin while everyone else was watching manga)
1953643;1574776037;mircea_popescu;but anyways, a lot of this "it's just numbers" attitude since the innumerate have been "no kid left behind"'d into everyone's processes. then once cats finally join the fray as fully franchised theirdemocracy voters &c, it'll be "whatever, it's just calendars" and so on.
1953644;1574776729;spyked;mircea_popescu, that inflation isn't limited just to version numbers tho. those numbers are just the tip of the iceberg hiding underneath a whole lot of stupid changes. e.g. gcc 4.7 to 4.9 had quite a few changes (among others) to default flags, admittedly. but 4.9 to 6, ffs that broke compilation for a lot of projects.
1953645;1574776820;mircea_popescu;of course not, indeed so!
1953646;1574785028;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: Logistics between GMT-3 and apparent GMT+8 are still being arranged
1953647;1574785043;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Asia just seems a lot more alien than anywhere else.
1953648;1574786259;mircea_popescu;it does.
1953649;1574786305;mircea_popescu;bvt, in moderation
1953650;1574786912;BingoBoingo;I suppose Asian proficiency in English can't be any worse than Uruguay's alleged "Best in Latin America, though no one knows what the letters sound like" English
1953651;1574790163;feedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2019/11/26/one-month-on-stans-rockchip-requested-review/ << Ossa Sepia -- One Month on Stan's Rockchip - Requested Review
1953652;1574794693;BingoBoingo;!!up dorion_road
1953653;1574794693;deedbot;dorion_road voiced for 30 minutes.
1953654;1574794862;dorion_road;ty BingoBoingo.
1953655;1574794918;dorion_road;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953471 << yeah, to start. let's see how productive 10 hours a week can be made and re-evaluate after we gather feedback.
1953656;1574794918;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-25 16:03:55 jfw: To update on http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950766 , I would be more comfortable with 10 hours a week, at least if it's an "intangibles and goodwill" sort of deal. dorion_road was in accord if I recall. And as discussed with spyked, the limited time could provide a good pressure to keep it productive.
1953657;1574794973;dorion_road;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953494 << thank you, that I can understand and take responsibility for.
1953658;1574794974;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-25 17:18:41 mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953458 << nothing new or different, same old thing management always was. write a plan, get people to ~commit~ to parts, chase the commitments, reschedule as needed and so on.
1953659;1574795048;dorion_road;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953496 << fugit irreparabile tempus.
1953660;1574795048;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-25 17:19:40 mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953464 << just don't fucking circumvectamur amore about it, it's how all these other kids died.
1953661;1574795093;dorion_road;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953498 << Yes, we have to reconsider how cvasi-corp proceeds from here to integrate the work.
1953662;1574795094;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-25 17:20:37 mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953471 << well, your cvasi-corp was working on this anyway, wasn;t it.
1953663;1574795212;dorion_road;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953501 << well, the gcc, busybox, musl static, et cetera work you've done with Gales are all of interest to the conversation and decision making from my view.
1953664;1574795212;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-25 18:02:15 jfw: mircea_popescu: a Linux distro, yes, though my understanding was that what we built there was too narrow in hardware and application support to be of more general interest
1953665;1574795536;diana_coman;jfw should publish all that Gales work and docs too, for sure.
1953666;1574795657;dorion_road;diana_coman I agree.
1953667;1574795934;dorion_road;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-25#1953543 << Thank you for the luck wishes. What pace of engagement do you see yourself able to maintain over say, a 30-60 day stretch ?
1953668;1574795935;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-25 21:24:34 trinque: best of luck to dorion_road then. last I heard neither spyked nor lobbes were free until december, and no, I'm not able to maintain the pace of engagement this appears to require.
1953669;1574795998;dorion_road;I understand the "what you're engaging" part is important to know in deciding, but for the sake of sharing an estimate that it's work you're interested in.
1953670;1574796104;dorion_road;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-26#1953547 << I need to update myself on the livecd/usb work thread.
1953671;1574796104;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-26 00:43:50 lobbes: fwiw, as I understood it the plan was trinque would be managing spyked and myself on the [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-13#1951029][livecd/usb] work, starting in [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-13#1951085][Dec]
1953672;1574796104;ericbot;Logged on 2019-11-13 01:54:04 trinque: k, so this is little else than creating a signed tarball of the cuntoo bootstrapper's output, and building a livecd/usb that can unpack that item onto a fresh system, bundled with some driver firmware and a try-all-modules kernel.
1953673;1574796104;ericbot;Logged on 2019-11-13 03:01:41 lobbes: I'm aiming to get remainder of mp-wp logger complete in under two weeks. Then rest of Nov I want to tidy up auctionbot. So Dec 1st should be a good starting point for me
1953674;1574796164;dorion_road;lobbes Reading your [http://www.krankendenken.com/2019/11/workplan-remainder-of-november-2019/][latest plan], looks like auctionbot work remains outstanding useful. How much work/time do you estimate for the auctionbot updates ?
1953675;1574796184;dorion_road;outstanding and useful*
1953676;1574796508;diana_coman;!!up dorion_road
1953677;1574796508;deedbot;dorion_road voiced for 30 minutes.
1953678;1574796760;jfw;dorion_road, diana_coman: we're in clear agreement that I should write it up then; think I should make that a priority for this week?
1953679;1574796985;diana_coman;jfw: after the work on the wallet though, no/
1953680;1574796985;diana_coman;?
1953681;1574797199;dorion_road;jfw wallet is top priority this week. can you get a start on your Gales writing as part of the time you have allocated for writing.
1953682;1574797256;jfw;diana_coman: that needs to be done, yes; I suppose I'd have to do this as my morning writing, if you'd be ok with that
1953683;1574797279;jfw;(as dorion_road suggests)
1953684;1574797291;diana_coman;jfw: yes, it's ok.
1953685;1574797310;jfw;alright
1953686;1574797421;dorion_road;cool.
1953687;1574797575;dorion_road;lobbes the [http://www.krankendenken.com/2019/11/workplan-remainder-of-november-2019/#identifier_2_100][understanding] ebuilds self-assignment is a good starting point in the meantime as the strategy clarifies. How about you explain them to yourself in the form of a blog article(s) ?
1953688;1574797688;mircea_popescu;this chan just became an utter pleasure to read.
1953689;1574797716;dorion_road;good evening mircea_popescu
1953690;1574797723;*;jfw waves
1953691;1574797742;mircea_popescu;yee
1953692;1574798328;diana_coman;!!up dorion_road
1953693;1574798329;deedbot;dorion_road voiced for 30 minutes.
1953694;1574798329;BingoBoingo;!!up dorion_road
1953695;1574798330;deedbot;dorion_road voiced for 30 minutes.
1953696;1574798332;diana_coman;lol
1953697;1574798424;diana_coman;!!v 74578400326E684289FB746F45D5709218ADB733D509CA2E115FD2E5953392C2
1953698;1574798428;deedbot;diana_coman paid danielpbarron invoice 3
1953699;1574798432;dorion_road;ty BingoBoingo and diana_coman
1953700;1574798476;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I don't know if I've been this strictly encouraging to read since the War of Life debut.
1953701;1574798516;mircea_popescu;o hell yeah, remember those days ?
1953702;1574798528;dorion_road;I will make it clear here that I judge trinque's technical knowledge and experience to be much greater than my own, from both programming and sys admin perspective.
1953703;1574798621;dorion_road;For fundamental strategy decisions such as the [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-13#1951167][static linking] [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950691][knot], I'm really going to have to lean heavily on the technical expertise here.
1953704;1574798622;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-13 18:16:19 bvt: re tmsr os - i am curious what work plan trinque will come up with, esp wrt static linking.
1953705;1574798622;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-12 17:07:58 jfw: I expect that'd be quite difficult, its libGL is a glibc-based .so
1953706;1574798645;mircea_popescu;that's how it's supposed to work, anyway.
1953707;1574798700;mircea_popescu;a project's in some trouble when management's technically above the actual engineers for chrissakes. and yes, the whole point of even having a republic is fine high escalation, so as to be able to deal well with insanely difficult rare problems.
1953708;1574798701;dorion_road;mircea_popescu thanks, making it explicit since I'm new here.
1953709;1574808806;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/11/turkey-begins-testing-s-400-systems-us-still-pissy-over-being-spurned/ << Qntra -- Turkey Begins Testing S-400 Systems, US Still Pissy Over Being Spurned
1953710;1574808966;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-26#1953567 << sorry. I'll refrain from derailing my trains of thought into the forum going forward
1953711;1574808966;ericbot;Logged on 2019-11-26 13:29:01 mircea_popescu: conversation, at least among well spoken & intelligent people and in the context of organizing work, very well resembles well written programs for well built machines for the exactly obvious reason : that's what the machine aims to be, a well spoken intelligent person.
1953712;1574808969;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-26#1953607 << indeed still outstanding. I'll aim to get a proper estimation in hours for that work out by Saturday
1953713;1574808969;ericbot;Logged on 2019-11-26 19:26:28 dorion_road: lobbes Reading your [http://www.krankendenken.com/2019/11/workplan-remainder-of-november-2019/][latest plan], looks like auctionbot work remains outstanding useful. How much work/time do you estimate for the auctionbot updates ?
1953714;1574808976;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-26#1953620 << sounds good to me. The mp-wp bot needs to be completed/delivered this week (which I will have some extra time to do so due to upcoming US holidays). Once I get that and the auctionbot work estimation complete, I will propose a deadline for my ebuild 101 homework.
1953715;1574808976;ericbot;Logged on 2019-11-26 19:49:58 dorion_road: lobbes the [http://www.krankendenken.com/2019/11/workplan-remainder-of-november-2019/#identifier_2_100][understanding] ebuilds self-assignment is a good starting point in the meantime as the strategy clarifies. How about you explain them to yourself in the form of a blog article(s) ?
1953716;1574808989;lobbes;and with that, I'm going back to the workbench for said mp-wp bot.
1953717;1574810231;BingoBoingo;In new developments, next week will be meeting with someone from a datacenter firm that keeps POPs all all over South America when he hits Montevideo.
1953718;1574810316;BingoBoingo;Lead from expanding the search to non-Equinix, non-NTT chains
1953719;1574810407;mircea_popescu;lobbes, if you refrain you'll never know what's wrong with them eh
1953720;1574810436;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo, sweet!
1953721;1574810496;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I'm trying to get that number up to 500. Sticking with the small got a lot of the same dumb silence I met in 2017.
1953722;1574810529;mircea_popescu;aha
1953723;1574810655;BingoBoingo;Asia's delivered some fast, but dumb. I am beginning to suspect folks with heads in the DC space may have moved to doing the POP in a bunch of other people's buildings thing Pizarro was intended to grow into.
1953724;1574810760;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1953725;1574810858;BingoBoingo;Actually owning, provisioning the Datacenter more of a Burlington sorta industry.
1953726;1574811272;BingoBoingo;Anyways, they aren't paricularly looking to get more hands in Uruguay, but they are interested enough to have a get to know you sit down. I'm emphasizing my readiness to locate while moderating my expectations.
1953727;1574812872;bvt;mircea_popescu: published & answered
1953728;1574816683;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo, sounds like a plan. also don't get oneitis.
1953729;1574817105;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Right. The sweep continues.
1953730;1574817331;BingoBoingo;In unlikely local headlines seen today, ~10 million USD worth of "contraband" went from Uruguay to Paraguay contrary to everything I understand about smuggling between the Guays.
1953731;1574819358;BingoBoingo;jfw dorion_road: Do you know anything about an operation calling itself Panamaservers.com? Of particular interest, is Panama a small enough place you maybe ran into their last Customer service and support manager?
1953732;1574819797;BingoBoingo;Apartment rents in their neighborhood appear to be ~150% to 175% of similarly situated Montevideo rents, and they opened the conversation with a request for my salary expectations. I appreciated they replied, even with an opportunity other than what I approached them about... but I'd like to avoid the situation where I end up in the wrong job *and* underpaid for taking on the extra risk.
1953733;1574819930;*;BingoBoingo understands that datacenter tech is a sorta trade while customer service manager is in many cases is a sort of fall guy.
1953734;1574823647;BingoBoingo;To put the contrast differently. As a trade, datacenter tech is portable. A datacenter tech does his work and follows opportunities like an oilfield roughneck. A customer service manager enters a carrera in the Latino sense of it being a race. It's a race to either move up in the organization of move from organization to organization while staying in front of rot that accumulates in other aspects of the business.
1953735;1574855225;mircea_popescu;bvt, aite, i think we're good there.
1953736;1574855251;*;mircea_popescu keeps sitting down to write trilema articles, ends up producing full featured articles for people's blogs' comments sections.
1953737;1574855361;diana_coman;heh, what are comments if not articles-to-be, really.
1953738;1574855420;mircea_popescu;true enough
1953739;1574855430;mircea_popescu;i don't mind, that's for sure.
1953740;1574855529;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, http://www.dianacoman.com/blog/2011/06/22/labirintul-vietii/ << from your latest trackaback list.
1953741;1574855791;diana_coman;heh, got back to that due to a [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-11-25#1011333][need to change direction] .
1953742;1574855791;ossabot;(ossasepia) 2019-11-25 diana_coman: jfw: here's for you [http://ossasepia.com/2010/05/11/mica-fabula-de-kafka/?b=Ach&e#select][to change direction] then, courtesy of Kafka himself.
1953743;1574855833;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: do you know where in db are trackback's contents ? I replaced dianacoman.com in posts and in comments, apparently not in trackbacks, hm.
1953744;1574856024;mircea_popescu;update mpwp_comments set comment_author_url = whatever where comment_author_url = whatever else.
1953745;1574857150;diana_coman;ah, it's comment_author for trackback, makes sense.
1953746;1574857160;*;diana_coman adds to the list for later today.
1953747;1574863863;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in "stupid old women with no sense of humour" news, it turns out the uppity old women lobby in our failed new world colonies change what there passes for "laws" so that nobody under 21 can buy tobacco (used to be 18), and that there's dedicated tobacco-alcohol shops. which are these places wherein nobody under 21 AND OVER 12 can go in. even if accompanied.
1953748;1574863901;mircea_popescu;so in practice it's like... "hey, now you're old enough to be forbidden this great palace where all the cool shit is"
1953749;1574864394;diana_coman;well, on the bright side, there's nothing better than "forbidden!!!" to make it interesting to youth.
1953750;1574865184;mircea_popescu;ikr
1953751;1574871373;BingoBoingo;In local weather, no rioting yet. Trend this week seems to be attacks on various sorts of police functionaries in and around their homes http://archive.is/j8q0W
1953752;1574879750;diana_coman;!!up dorion_road
1953753;1574879750;deedbot;dorion_road voiced for 30 minutes.
1953754;1574879782;dorion_road;ty diana_coman
1953755;1574879824;dorion_road;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-17#1951499 << hey ave1, how goes ? has there been a delivery date set on this ?
1953756;1574879824;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-17 12:42:50 ave1: I was genesing it, and will continue to do so. But with feedback in the loop. So, for example, gcc comes with an old STL html documentation tree, can this be dropped? (I would say yes)
1953757;1574879877;dorion_road;how about you publish a review of the current status and plan moving forward on you blog ? That'll help us shorten the feedback loop.
1953758;1574879993;dorion_road;bvt, I've been reading your kernal and tmsr os articles; I must say they are a pleasure. I'm integrating many of the points you've made in the article I'm writing to clarify the plan here.
1953759;1574880164;dorion_road;jfw in your Gales Linux articles, please address bvt's question in his tmsr os [http://bvt-trace.net/2019/11/yet-more-thoughts-about-tmsr-os-os-making-exam-taking/#footnote_0_58][article] about the mb weight and contents of the bootstrapping/package management/developments tools.
1953760;1574880216;dorion_road;trinque, bvt highlighted you there as well, your input would be appreciated.
1953761;1574880292;dorion_road;bvt What is the status of the last [http://bvt-trace.net/2019/11/yet-more-thoughts-about-tmsr-os-os-making-exam-taking/comment-page-1/#comment-95][vpatch] for the RNG series?
1953762;1574880310;dorion_road;when is your estimated date of delivery ?
1953763;1574880359;dorion_road;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-26#1953645 << cool.
1953764;1574880360;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-26 19:03:23 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-26#1953607 << indeed still outstanding. I'll aim to get a proper estimation in hours for that work out by Saturday
1953765;1574880360;ericbot;Logged on 2019-11-26 19:26:28 dorion_road: lobbes Reading your [http://www.krankendenken.com/2019/11/workplan-remainder-of-november-2019/][latest plan], looks like auctionbot work remains outstanding useful. How much work/time do you estimate for the auctionbot updates ?
1953766;1574880409;dorion_road;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-26#1953647 << sounds good. gobble, gobble.
1953767;1574880410;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-26 19:03:31 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-26#1953620 << sounds good to me. The mp-wp bot needs to be completed/delivered this week (which I will have some extra time to do so due to upcoming US holidays). Once I get that and the auctionbot work estimation complete, I will propose a deadline for my ebuild 101 homework.
1953768;1574880410;ericbot;Logged on 2019-11-26 19:49:58 dorion_road: lobbes the [http://www.krankendenken.com/2019/11/workplan-remainder-of-november-2019/#identifier_2_100][understanding] ebuilds self-assignment is a good starting point in the meantime as the strategy clarifies. How about you explain them to yourself in the form of a blog article(s) ?
1953769;1574880541;dorion_road;On the ownership front, so far we have bvt on the kernel, ave1 on gcc and lobbes on ebuilds/package management.
1953770;1574880646;dorion_road;The other priority areas of ownership to clarify : c library, boot process (bios, bootloader, init), userland, install process, process supervision and logging and package management options beyond ebuilds.
1953771;1574880718;dorion_road;spyked what area(s) most interest you and you think you're a best fit for ?
1953772;1574880849;dorion_road;jfw I know you've spent a good deal of time with musl in the process of getting Gales statically linked , do you think owning the c library is a good fit for you ?
1953773;1574881360;dorion_road;To expand what I'm thinking re userland, the choice as far as I see is between stage3 via Cuntoo or [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1950030][Busybox] a la [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950665][Gales] + whatever addons are not included in Busybox.
1953774;1574881361;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-06 23:08:07 trinque: and you have fewer men than you'd like, and I'm not going to pretend to be 20, and then cry when I fail at it. that's why I said I'm looking at kernel + busybox for my own stack. even it isn't human-sized, but it's about two orders of magnitude less twine and shit than "standard linux distro"
1953775;1574881361;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-12 16:57:31 jfw: It's a Linux distro I put together, in a couple stages, based on gcc 4.7, musl, busybox userland, exclusively static linking
1953776;1574881370;bvt;dorion_road: the kernel rng vpatch will be finished on this weekend (i have all the components in the benchmarking blogpost, just need to clean things up).
1953777;1574881466;dorion_road;bvt nice, sounds good.
1953778;1574881584;diana_coman;!!up dorion_road
1953779;1574881584;deedbot;dorion_road voiced for 30 minutes.
1953780;1574881755;dorion_road;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-26#1953664 << I don't know that datacenter in particular. I can ask around though, Panama is small. I'd offer to pay a visit to their office if I was in town.
1953781;1574881756;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-26 21:56:33 BingoBoingo: jfw dorion_road: Do you know anything about an operation calling itself Panamaservers.com? Of particular interest, is Panama a small enough place you maybe ran into their last Customer service and support manager?
1953782;1574881859;dorion_road;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-27#1953703 << this is an initial list and probably needs to be extended. additions encouraged.
1953783;1574881860;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-27 14:58:06 dorion_road: The other priority areas of ownership to clarify : c library, boot process (bios, bootloader, init), userland, install process, process supervision and logging and package management options beyond ebuilds.
1953784;1574882015;diana_coman;BingoBoingo: fwiw that panamaservers thing failed my very initial filtering hence I didn't even bother jfw or dorion_road about it and the thing with customer service and support doesn't sound that great to me either.
1953785;1574882220;jfw;BingoBoingp, guessing that's panamaserver.com , panamaservers.com looks like a parked domain. I'm not familiar with them.
1953786;1574882254;jfw;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-27#1953692 - will do
1953787;1574882255;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-27 14:50:04 dorion_road: jfw in your Gales Linux articles, please address bvt's question in his tmsr os [http://bvt-trace.net/2019/11/yet-more-thoughts-about-tmsr-os-os-making-exam-taking/#footnote_0_58][article] about the mb weight and contents of the bootstrapping/package management/developments tools.
1953788;1574882761;jfw;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-27#1953705 - Could be. There's a decision that will be needed between glibc, dynamic musl, static musl, some mixture or framework with multiple options, or what. This is a part of the server vs. graphics split that bvt mentioned, or work vs. play if that's a fair characterization of
1953789;1574882761;jfw;[http://bvt-trace.net/2019/11/yet-more-thoughts-about-tmsr-os-os-making-exam-taking/comment-page-1/#comment-94][MP's affirmation of it].
1953790;1574882761;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-27 15:01:28 dorion_road: jfw I know you've spent a good deal of time with musl in the process of getting Gales statically linked , do you think owning the c library is a good fit for you ?
1953791;1574883015;jfw;My view of musl is that it's substantially smaller and cleaner than glibc, but still has a substantial rate of bugfixes mixed in with feature additions. My sense is that many of these are in the area of threading / concurrency, for which they wrote a new implementation of the userspace part, and also an area I'm less familiar with though wouldn't mind improving on.
1953792;1574883400;diana_coman;!!up dorion_road
1953793;1574883400;deedbot;dorion_road voiced for 30 minutes.
1953794;1574883411;jfw;Besides proprietary GPU drivers there are other "traditional Linux" things not likely to run on musl with any amount of futzing, such as compiled non-static binaries (proprietary apps, the Adacore GNAT distribution) and "enterprisey" thinks like authentication plugins; I can't speak to whether we should care about these.
1953795;1574883465;diana_coman;jfw: ave1 has GNAT running on musl, no need for the frozen Adacore version really.
1953796;1574883509;jfw;cool, if we gotta trust a binary anyway, probably no reason to prefer theirs to his.
1953797;1574883564;jfw;Confidence built through WoT and all.
1953798;1574883598;mircea_popescu;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-27#1953684 << happens to be the correct strategy for [http://trilema.com/2015/strategy-for-the-antisocial-struggle/][the antisocial struggle]. first you disable the "police", it's why hiv is the only infectious disease of any consequence.
1953799;1574883598;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-27 12:23:32 BingoBoingo: In local weather, no rioting yet. Trend this week seems to be attacks on various sorts of police functionaries in and around their homes http://archive.is/j8q0W
1953800;1574883726;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well the chorros had been taking guns off of girly gops walking the beat for at least a year. Now the dudes get beat. Interesting to see where this'll lead.
1953801;1574883769;mircea_popescu;~nowhere
1953802;1574883823;mircea_popescu;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-27#1953703 << what's the difference between "gcc" and "c library" contemplated here ?
1953803;1574883823;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-27 14:58:06 dorion_road: The other priority areas of ownership to clarify : c library, boot process (bios, bootloader, init), userland, install process, process supervision and logging and package management options beyond ebuilds.
1953804;1574884071;diana_coman;!!up dorion_road
1953805;1574884071;deedbot;dorion_road voiced for 30 minutes.
1953806;1574884325;dorion_road;mircea_popescu gcc refers to c compiler, ave1 said he's working on a genesis based on version 4.9.4. By c library I mean the choice essentially between glibc and musl and dynamic and static linking, e.g. http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-27#1953721
1953807;1574884326;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-27 15:33:20 jfw: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-27#1953705 - Could be. There's a decision that will be needed between glibc, dynamic musl, static musl, some mixture or framework with multiple options, or what. This is a part of the server vs. graphics split that bvt mentioned, or work vs. play if that's a fair characterization of
1953808;1574884418;dorion_road;so I am expecting whoever owns that to genesis what is chosen.
1953809;1574884465;dorion_road;mircea_popescu is that a rational cut of the work in your view ?
1953810;1574885142;jfw;The split existed historically in that they developed as separate projects; gcc works with multiple c libraries as musl works with multiple compilers. Perhaps mircea_popescu is inquiring into a deeper question of whether it's right to maintain the split (presently - I've no idea)
1953811;1574885310;jfw;there is ugly complexity in gcc to support this multitude of systems, such as 'fixincludes' and of course autoconf
1953812;1574885482;dorion_road;thanks for expanding there jfw.
1953813;1574885491;*;dorion_road back in 30 mins.
1953814;1574885733;jfw;ah, much of 'libiberty' is another thing that comes to mind there; has old and buggy implementations of things like regexp from before they were widely provided by vendors.
1953815;1574885886;BingoBoingo;!!up dorion_road
1953816;1574885887;deedbot;dorion_road voiced for 30 minutes.
1953817;1574886026;mircea_popescu;jfw, moreover, whoever makes the compiler probably has first choice.
1953818;1574886069;mircea_popescu;i'm not about to pile up compatibility hell atop that already mountaineous task, you know ?
1953819;1574886222;jfw;makes sense to me.
1953820;1574887638;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/11/apple-recognizes-russian-claim-to-crimea-still-hasnt-bought-russia/ << Qntra -- Apple Recognizes Russian Claim To Crimea, Still Hasn't Bought Russia
1953821;1574898212;feedbot;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3613 << Loper OS -- Thank you, first 'Dulap' Subscriber!
1953822;1574941815;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/the-tmsr-os-implicit-clients/ << Trilema -- The TMSR-OS implicit clients
1953823;1574956838;BingoBoingo;And in the second, definitive count of ballots... things so far look a lot more like the decisive advantage the polls gave to Lacalle Pou http://archive.is/2gOYO
1953824;1574957043;BingoBoingo;Montevideo's about half counted while everywhere else is nearly done, but it appears shennanigans may be called
1953825;1574957454;BingoBoingo;Though the Fat Forehead candidate is starting to concede. Apparently for them conceding is a process...
1953826;1574960664;BingoBoingo;This is notably a walkback from the Fat Forehead position of "We'll wait for the certified result"
1953827;1574962196;mircea_popescu;well yes it's a process, gotta build up all the "nobody could accuse" ofs.
1953828;1574962368;nicoleci;lobbes, nice tagline 'Mangled turd every single day' lol
1953829;1574966247;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I suspect a number of members of the outgoing coalition are headed to jail in a smaller version of the Brasilero carwash thing, starting with the losing presidential candidate and including everyone appointed to a position at the refined petroluem products monopoly.
1953830;1574966372;mircea_popescu;it's how banana democracies work, after all.
1953831;1574966387;mircea_popescu;beats being hauled off to the execution squad, which'd be the usual course of business.
1953832;1574966437;BingoBoingo;If they locked Mujica up after shooting him half a dozen times in the 70's they probably aren't going to start now.
1953833;1574966464;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, i'm going through archvies, knee deep in 15yo hanbot pics over here and such things.
1953834;1574966479;mircea_popescu;it's a constant "um, roxana... who the fuck's roxana. oh." "monica ?" "ah" and so on.
1953835;1574966504;*;BingoBoingo continuing the crawl while the oven works and Peruana minds the clock.
1953836;1574966506;mircea_popescu;nfi why they give them names anyway, i can usually recall on the basis of face-and-tits, but names ?!
1953837;1574966544;BingoBoingo;Names are for things that get invoked without being explicitly seen.
1953838;1574966571;mircea_popescu;also, EVERY woman looked derpier when she just met me vs when she had known me for a while. EVERY ONE. and i don't mean a little derpier, arguably derpier etc.
1953839;1574966580;mircea_popescu;as they say, the one common element of all your relationships is...
1953840;1574967193;BingoBoingo;The banana democracy thing applied to Uruguay seems to credit it, unwarrantedly with a banana capable climate it doesn't have. Uruguay's literally a moo-cow democracy.
1953841;1574970597;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/11/inclusion-collision-airstrip-one-court-chooses-homosex-over-islam-as-diversities-collide/ << Qntra -- Inclusion Collision: Airstrip One Court Chooses Homosex Over Islam As Diversities Collide!
1953842;1574972120;mircea_popescu;lulzy shit
1953843;1574972763;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/what-the-fuck-is-this-then/ << Trilema -- What the fuck is this, then ?!
1953844;1574973299;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: May they keep plopping out lulzy shit in the Queendom.
1953845;1574984289;mircea_popescu;!!up agricola
1953846;1574984290;deedbot;agricola voiced for 30 minutes.
1953847;1574984295;mircea_popescu;!!key agricola
1953848;1574984295;deedbot;Not registered.
1953849;1574984302;mircea_popescu;!!help
1953850;1574984303;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html
1953851;1574985556;agricola;!!register http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=ohKL
1953852;1574985557;deedbot;0203C6509BE27C92A0FE6F8F6BCE30E47CED1C8A registered as agricola.
1953853;1574985626;agricola;hello
1953854;1574985746;agricola;i have now registered my public key
1953855;1574986753;BingoBoingo;In local headlines: Mujica: "no ganó la oposición" sino que "perdió" el FA "que se quedó demasiado tranquilo"
1953856;1574987862;BingoBoingo;Yes, the left coalition did indeed lose more than the opposition coalition won, but it means something differed than oldgendered fellow imagines
1953857;1574990592;mircea_popescu;!!pay agricola 0.01
1953858;1574990597;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=FKiR
1953859;1574998850;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-26#1953652 << this is true. I'm wary about bringing down snr, but refraining altogether also ain't a solution I suppose. Careful derailment
1953860;1574998850;ericbot;Logged on 2019-11-26 23:23:50 mircea_popescu: lobbes, if you refrain you'll never know what's wrong with them eh
1953861;1574998854;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-27#1953702 << I like how this is shaping up
1953862;1574998855;ericbot;Logged on 2019-11-27 18:52:46 dorion_road: On the ownership front, so far we have bvt on the kernel, ave1 on gcc and lobbes on ebuilds/package management.
1953863;1574998861;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-28#1953761 << why ty
1953864;1574998861;ericbot;Logged on 2019-11-28 17:36:35 nicoleci: lobbes, nice tagline 'Mangled turd every single day' lol
1953865;1574998867;lobbes;in other news, I've got the [http://blog.ericbenevides.com/2019/11/trilema-lobbes-log-for-2019-11-29/#033049927549][blog echo complete]. Two ways to quote: 1) can use the log line reference link 2) or use a standard #select; bot will read out what is in the "" tags.
1953866;1574998878;lobbes;what's left: publish outstanding related vpatches, get base mp-wp and then the bot installed on server, import the remaining logs > 28th march 2016
1953867;1574999683;jfw;mod6, trinque or other TRB scholars: has there been progress toward raw transaction RPCs since http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/2018-April/000297.html ? I've written a getrawtransaction (in my queue to publish) but am in need of a sendrawtransaction for a split wallet I'm working on ( http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2019/gales-bitcoin-wallet-spec-and-battle-plan/ )
1953868;1575000537;jfw;Or if anyone's interested in taking that on, hit me up.
1953869;1575012262;diana_coman;spyked: doesn't feedbot report comments in order? it just reported in pm 3 comments on an article in reverse order (and a couple of hours late by the looks of it)
1953870;1575012416;spyked;diana_coman, it was down until just now. and no, it doesn't guarantee any order, though that's prolly an easy fix, should push them to the queue in the other order.
1953871;1575012507;diana_coman;spyked: comments are numbered, yes; and ah, I hadn't noticed it was down.
1953872;1575012572;spyked;well, it doesn't look at comment numbering or anything. also, it doesn't make any distinction between comments and posts, it's just feed entries, as per [http://thetarpit.org/2019/feed-bot-spec-proposal][the spec]
1953873;1575012671;*;diana_coman goes to re-read spec.
1953874;1575012677;spyked;what happened is that the comments prolly got queued as they came, then they got sent in the reverse order.
1953875;1575012902;diana_coman;spyked: ah, so you mean that the trouble is just that the message queue is lifo instead of fifo really?
1953876;1575012918;diana_coman;the spec doesn't say more than "queue" there.
1953877;1575012934;diana_coman;though it does use pop/push so yeah, more like stack.
1953878;1575012958;diana_coman;any specific reason for that ?
1953879;1575012991;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-27#1953704 <-- not sure what'd be the best fit, tbh. I'm an odd one, spent years studying the theory re os and systems in general. but as far as actual work goes, other than my [http://thetarpit.org/category/tech][public work], I've been doing mostly maintenance (bugfixing, a bit of feature development) for linux kernels driving custom hardware/schedulers/netwo
1953880;1575012992;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-27 14:59:17 dorion_road: spyked what area(s) most interest you and you think you're a best fit for ?
1953881;1575012997;spyked;rking stacks.
1953882;1575013020;spyked;diana_coman, no, not really. just didn't add the extra list reverse in the right place.
1953883;1575013092;spyked;so I'll add that bug to the todo list for fixing
1953884;1575013198;diana_coman;thanks!
1953885;1575013421;spyked;dorion_road: so I'm sort of a "master of none", I guess. but in general, I'm interested in doing any infrastructure work required to get a tmsr-os up, I think I can handle it, with probably some ramp-up time to learn the code. imho needs figuring out what's really needed tho, e.g. from [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-27#1953703][your list], what work is required for bootloaders/biosen and wh
1953886;1575013422;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-27 14:58:06 dorion_road: The other priority areas of ownership to clarify : c library, boot process (bios, bootloader, init), userland, install process, process supervision and logging and package management options beyond ebuilds.
1953887;1575013427;spyked;y?
1953888;1575013433;spyked;diana_coman, np, thanks for reporting the issue
1953889;1575013849;spyked;aaand should be fixed. will test next time notifications queue up like that
1953890;1575014063;*;spyked bbl, finishing what's now grown into a humongous cuntoo write-up
1953891;1575014840;*;diana_coman will gladly read the humongous cuntoo write-up.
1953892;1575026672;mircea_popescu;jfw, http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2019/gales-bitcoin-wallet-spec-and-battle-plan/#comment-69 << do you understsnd what we're talking about ?
1953893;1575026757;mircea_popescu;!!v 23B8488ED44C6D0D47B409A7540E6E5CB02700AF0157F03AEABC3FA1DC835C09
1953894;1575026810;mircea_popescu;trinque, weirdly, deedbot never said anything in response to me verifying http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-28#1953791 ; wasn't it supposed to ?
1953895;1575026810;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-28 21:30:44 deedbot: Get your OTP: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=FKiR
1953896;1575027107;*;mircea_popescu had some testing in #trilema-lobbes, [http://blog.ericbenevides.com/2019/11/trilema-lobbes-log-for-2019-11-29/#113330338181][fucken beautiful]. btw lobbes, you intent to implement the square brackets convention ?
1953897;1575027219;mircea_popescu;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-28#1953799 << mind that you want a post id > 100k. trilema is in the 90`000s atm. and also, how are we gonna handle the mar 2016 - today log dump ?
1953898;1575027219;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-28 23:48:45 lobbes: what's left: publish outstanding related vpatches, get base mp-wp and then the bot installed on server, import the remaining logs > 28th march 2016
1953899;1575027316;mircea_popescu;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-29#1953802 << if it sees more than one new element it reports them in the order seen, which is counter-historical because for some reason rss is newmost on top and obviously irc is newmost on bottom. imo this needs a fix, have the list reversed on feedbot end.
1953900;1575027317;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-29 03:31:50 diana_coman: spyked: doesn't feedbot report comments in order? it just reported in pm 3 comments on an article in reverse order (and a couple of hours late by the looks of it)
1953901;1575027352;mircea_popescu;it's been consistently doing this during [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-24][logday[.
1953902;1575027393;mircea_popescu;oops
1953903;1575027732;mircea_popescu;lobbes, thinking about it, this is actually just about mature enough i should forward sql dump and filesystem huh ?
1953904;1575027937;mircea_popescu;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-29#1953823 << eexcellent.
1953905;1575027938;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-29 04:01:52 spyked: bbl, finishing what's now grown into a humongous cuntoo write-up
1953906;1575028191;spyked;mircea_popescu, I pushed a fix to feedbot, lessee how it works. I expect it should send the notifications in the correct order next time
1953907;1575028543;mircea_popescu;nice. me too tbh
1953908;1575040524;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-29#1953829 << glad you like it :) And yes, I was thinking of implementing the square-bracket convention. It just seems incomplete without it.
1953909;1575040525;ericbot;Logged on 2019-11-29 11:35:36 mircea_popescu: had some testing in #trilema-lobbes, [http://blog.ericbenevides.com/2019/11/trilema-lobbes-log-for-2019-11-29/#113330338181][fucken beautiful]. btw lobbes, you intent to implement the square brackets convention ?
1953910;1575040528;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-29#1953830 << this is a point re: ids. It may make sense for me to first just import your trilema dump and then import my archives
1953911;1575040528;ericbot;Logged on 2019-11-29 11:37:28 mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-28#1953799 << mind that you want a post id > 100k. trilema is in the 90`000s atm. and also, how are we gonna handle the mar 2016 - today log dump ?
1953912;1575040529;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-28 23:48:45 lobbes: what's left: publish outstanding related vpatches, get base mp-wp and then the bot installed on server, import the remaining logs > 28th march 2016
1953913;1575040555;*;lobbes bbl in ~6 hrs
1953914;1575040591;mircea_popescu;lobbes, except if you do that, i'd rather do it on trilema.com first
1953915;1575043729;feedbot;http://thetarpit.org/2019/assorted-notes-on-bootstrapping-cuntoo << The Tar Pit -- Assorted notes on bootstrapping Cuntoo
1953916;1575044456;diana_coman;spyked: my comment is waiting your moderation.
1953917;1575044605;diana_coman;and apparently the bits and pieces known/sorted about this are not that easy to find or something, hmmm; esp the paths issue was discussed and sorted in the logs + documented at http://ossasepia.com/2019/07/14/a-working-cuntoo-install-on-amd-fx-8350-with-script/
1953918;1575044826;spyked;diana_coman, approved and ty for the link. I knew there was _some_ discussion on that, but I could not for the life of me find it at the time.
1953919;1575045020;diana_coman;hm, looking now at it, there doesn't seem to be a pingback on trinque's article from mine despite my linking it; weird.
1953920;1575045885;diana_coman;spyked: answered with one more link.
1953921;1575046390;mircea_popescu;from what I understand, it's not possible to compile Emacs using Musl << bwahahaha what the fuck
1953922;1575046696;mircea_popescu;aaaanyways. my chief takeaways from spyked 's article are that 1) a multi-gb os is a joke, no matter how you turn this. it is deeply unclear to me 1mb is a defensible amt of space for the os to occupy,
1953923;1575046797;mircea_popescu;but in any case multi-gb things can not be called operating systems nomore than run of the mill [https://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/029/367/shipment-of-fail.jpg?1318992465][failboats] can be called buttplugs. yes, even if you end up butt-impaled on one somehow ;
1953924;1575046830;mircea_popescu;and 2) really gotta genesis, both the script so people DO have a sane way to make edits, and the sources, so we don't depend on randotards keeping whatever software package online.
1953925;1575046865;mircea_popescu;this 2 really goes all the way back to the proposed portage supremacy i nixed back in 2018 or w/e it was. NO, portage is not special cuntlet, NO, portage may not be more important than any other turd. V rules, portage obeys or goes away.
1953926;1575046966;BingoBoingo;In pantsuit fail, spammers seem to have captured Central Methodist University's servers
1953927;1575047016;*;mircea_popescu now off to read spyked 's "how and why systemd has won" 2014 piece, kinda curious how 5 years aged it.
1953928;1575047025;diana_coman;tbh by now I really want to give a spin to jfw's gales thing too and actually see what's there.
1953929;1575047036;mircea_popescu;yeah huh.
1953930;1575052918;mircea_popescu;dorion, it'd prolly be a good idea to take your own trackbacks out of the (independently --VERY SHORT) recent comments toolbar. i can't tell what's going on
1953931;1575052984;diana_coman;yeah, that default is annoying, not sure *why* are they there by default
1953932;1575053068;mircea_popescu;because in pre-trilema world articles ~never referenced anything, so nobody understood what a trackback even is.
1953933;1575053140;mircea_popescu;in the original [http://trilema.com/2017/remember-the-security-hole-automattic-refused-to-fix-back-in-2014/][idiot prototype] trackbacks function as a sort of assonaut social interaction, the transcription online of the weird talking into the air eyes averted thing they do.
1953934;1575053189;mircea_popescu;at the rate of one trackback each death of a bishop's the bug was never observed.
1953935;1575053415;diana_coman;I guess so; but I meant it more as in why default in the genesised mpwp; anyways, perhaps billymg makes a patch to take those out of there and to put also trackbacks/pingbacks as last in comments (I've fixed this on my blog only a few days ago but by default they mix in comments too)
1953936;1575053465;mircea_popescu;prolly slipped in, i guess.
1953937;1575053472;mircea_popescu;!!seen billymg
1953938;1575053472;deedbot;2019/11/07 02:34:06 mircea_popescu: yup, the plan remains, january will be the time
1953939;1575053503;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, this could be a patch, no ?
1953940;1575054365;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: this what?
1953941;1575054387;mircea_popescu;the fix for sorting them at the end
1953942;1575054426;diana_coman;ah, could be but if I get to that, might as well fix the recent comments too or it ain't worth the gpged, lol.
1953943;1575054794;diana_coman;fine, let me pack both then.
1953944;1575055150;mircea_popescu;:p
1953945;1575055812;BingoBoingo;!!invoice jurov 0.0049 postage (675+750 pesos)/37 dolares/7750 BTC
1953946;1575055818;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=WS3_
1953947;1575055851;BingoBoingo;!!v 94B78EA080C693DD1713CA3557D9204C7CFEFE4C03AC417CAE00208D9D7CF611
1953948;1575055854;deedbot;Invoiced jurov 0.0049 << postage (675+750 pesos)/37 dolares/7750 BTC
1953949;1575058373;feedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2019/11/29/comments-filtering-for-mp-wp/ << Ossa Sepia -- Comments Filtering for MP-WP
1953950;1575058454;diana_coman;so in v time-costs and all that: changes took ~10 minutes including figuring out wtf to change (because I'm no expert in either mpwp or php) and then the rest up to 1 hour was making vpatch + test-press + write-up; pshaw.
1953951;1575061329;mircea_popescu;;/
1953952;1575061354;mircea_popescu;do we have a problem there, is it ?
1953953;1575063982;bvt;mircea_popescu: even bigger problem for kernel http://bvt-trace.net/2019/10/fg-fed-linux-rng/?b=Pressing&e=though#select
1953954;1575068694;jfw;mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-29#1953825 - I think I do now: the ideal node would be able to readily list outputs and thus balances, and perhaps also history, for any given list of addresses, statelessly. Like a block explorer that didn't suck.
1953955;1575068694;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-29 07:32:01 mircea_popescu: jfw, http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2019/gales-bitcoin-wallet-spec-and-battle-plan/#comment-69 << do you understsnd what we're talking about ?
1953956;1575068852;jfw;The necessary index would be large if history is included, perhaps on the order of the existing ones (blkindex.dat), but omitting it strikes me as rather a premature optimization by satoshi.
1953957;1575068989;jfw;(or whoever - I'm unclear on the early history there.)
1953958;1575069151;mircea_popescu;jfw, after all, if q = a + b and p = a + c and r = b + c then q + p - r = 2a. if as are addresses and qs are wallets, one needn't ~declare~ his wallet to count his money.
1953959;1575069191;mircea_popescu;this is lubby, at the root of it. look through the log for it, and then read the math. but it's not just math ; it's one of those places where philosophy masquerades as science.
1953960;1575069237;jfw;Luby / LT codes? Got a paper on that waiting in a nearby pile, heh
1953961;1575069252;mircea_popescu;aha.
1953962;1575069277;mircea_popescu;bvt, yes, but this was also deliberate -- i suspect current v toolset could well benefit from some hardcore usage to iron out inefficiencies, wrinkles and crumples.
1953963;1575069612;jfw;mircea_popescu: nifty, thanks. Will see if I can accomodate on this pass; otherwise what I'd be working toward is a wallet that's still "declared" but with keys not accessible to node.
1953964;1575069748;mircea_popescu;aite
1953965;1575070303;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/11/new-zealand-court-refuses-to-allow-access-to-evidence-in-kim-dotcom-case-kim-dotcom-case-still-ongoing/ << Qntra -- New Zealand Court Refuses To Allow Access To Evidence In Kim Dotcom Case, Kim Dotcom Case Still Ongoing
1953966;1575090858;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-29#1953847 << gotcha. So perhaps I can get an initial dump to you for trilema.com (with > march 2016 archives imported), then you can give the final dump to me for trilema.org?
1953967;1575090859;ericbot;Logged on 2019-11-29 15:20:21 mircea_popescu: lobbes, except if you do that, i'd rather do it on trilema.com first
1953968;1575090861;lobbes;in other news [http://blog.ericbenevides.com/2019/11/trilema-lobbes-log-for-2019-11-30/#051305895276][bracket linking] now functional in mpwp logger. Tip of the hat again to asciilifeform, as I ended up lifting his bracket linking code verbatim from the reader.py
1953969;1575090867;*;lobbes continues first thing tomorrow, but for now sleeps
1953970;1575122352;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-29#1953885 - tbh I think we do; I've been mulling this for a while ie I'm not happy with the full V setup as it is - at least as it is for me currently - but so far it never made it to the front to push for some solution.
1953971;1575122353;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-29 17:10:06 mircea_popescu: do we have a problem there, is it ?
1953972;1575131189;mircea_popescu;well, ideologically the thing stood at "let development be painful-er than entirely painless, it'll produce better code in the end".
1953973;1575131213;mircea_popescu;then again, that was pushed through in a different context, maybe needs reexamination
1953974;1575131240;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: trouble is that it's *not* development that is painful-er, not at all; it's...publishing that is painfuller and I doubt that has any merits.
1953975;1575132015;diana_coman;should add that I think the problem is relatively superficial ie one of tools as they currently stand, not one of principles.
1953976;1575133481;diana_coman;and then ofc something stares me in the face but I can't yet even fully scope it, gah.
1953977;1575133797;mircea_popescu;well, HOW was that hour spent ?
1953978;1575133842;mircea_popescu;taylorism ftw, half the time the problem's one of "you know, if you set out the tools on the bench BEFORE you got the hot piece out of the oven, rather than run around the smithy holding a chunk of red iron while looking for things..."
1953979;1575134020;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: mno, it's not just a matter of "tools were not set out properly"; tools were set out and there was no time lost gathering them or whatever; yes, there is some inevitable delay when using key, for obv reason but by now that part is as streamlined as it can currently be.
1953980;1575134066;diana_coman;sure, you can say "you're an idiot, set out your workbench better"; maybe it is that; I think there's more to it though but probably I'll have to find some time to scope it and write it down.
1953981;1575134101;diana_coman;it can be said also that "well, 2 lines of change taking 10 minutes to do should NOT HAVE BEEN a vpatch"
1953982;1575134109;diana_coman;because a vpatch comes with such a large overhead
1953983;1575134132;diana_coman;maybe that is true though I think it shouldn't be.
1953984;1575134302;diana_coman;not to mention that I specifically packed more than just the initial change that you were pushing, precisely because of this issue - the overhead on a vpatch means that small but useful changes will have to wait to accumulate.
1953985;1575134592;diana_coman;at any rate, the hour was spent: ~10 minutes figuring out the change and making it directly on my blog so that the results were clear; ~30 minutes for full vpatch process: retrieve+press current v-tree to head; make code + manifest file changes; test press of result & check + final sign; ~20 minutes for write-up + upload + overall final check.
1953986;1575134887;diana_coman;the grating thing being also that the only alternative I see would be "drop it in the logs/blog" as a clue/how-to and then keep searching for it or something.
1953987;1575135704;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/11/man-convicted-of-terror-plot-and-released-in-december-2018-shot-while-stabbing-near-london-bridge/ << Qntra -- Man Convicted Of Terror Plot And Released In December 2018 Shot While Stabbing Near London Bridge
1953988;1575135922;mircea_popescu;im not saying that lol
1953989;1575136034;mircea_popescu;honestly it doesn't seem to me the breakdown you have is unreasonable. it will take some time to write things up. this time SHOULD be taken, there's no benefit from "oh, let me mention things vaguely and anti-usefully in the log", it's worse than nothing, it's a cost upon the future.
1953990;1575136063;mircea_popescu;now, that time shouldn't be excessive ; but 20 minutes hardly strikes me as excessive, dunno, is the argument here ?
1953991;1575136147;mircea_popescu;arguably a press + vdiff + test press + sign shouldn't be half an hour, but it seems to me by now we're trying to measure the measuring tool, it's not even clear the measurement tolerance is narrower than the width of that "shouldn't". by how much shouldn't it be half hour.
1953992;1575136163;mircea_popescu;maybe the problem here is one of expectations management.
1953993;1575136167;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: no, it's neither about the write up (after all, I did it *because* I considered it needed) nor about the 20 minutes on it; it's about the fact that a vpatch containing ~30 hours worth of changes would have taken ~similar in writeup and the rest.
1953994;1575136176;diana_coman;hence the "will have to wait until they accumulate"
1953995;1575136216;diana_coman;ugh, 30 minutes not 30 hours.
1953996;1575136865;mircea_popescu;what's 30 minutes worth of changes ?
1953997;1575136979;diana_coman;code changes that took 30 minutes, lol; not sure how can one define it more precisely in the general like that, it depends on a lot of things after all.
1953998;1575137304;mircea_popescu;but maybe here's where it is buried.
1953999;1575137308;mircea_popescu;what, should there be more lines ?
1954000;1575137330;diana_coman;no, it's not about the loc and I specifically did not mention loc.
1954001;1575137339;mircea_popescu;i guarantee you it'd have taken anyone else > 30 minutes to figure the shit out. just because you have the massiva advantage of perfect familiarity doesn't mean so much,
1954002;1575137358;mircea_popescu;as the man said, "you wanted me to design a typeface, it takes 10 minutes + a lifetime dedicated to preparing for those 10 minutes"
1954003;1575137396;diana_coman;well, the way this goes then is simply this - I should have passed the vpatch making on to a more junior person then; because ok, familiarity -> figure the shit out but the fixed cost of vpatch packaging is what it is
1954004;1575137400;diana_coman;maybe.
1954005;1575137483;mircea_popescu;incidentally -- there's a divergence in your patch. on the first heading you say and comment_type = '' but on the second heading you say
1954006;1575137483;mircea_popescu;+ < ?php wp_list_comments('type=comment'); ? >
1954007;1575137504;mircea_popescu;it's really the same conditional, shouldn't it rather be and comment_type = comment' ?
1954008;1575137529;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: that's in mpwp, what can I do if it does same thing in 2 different ways?
1954009;1575137564;diana_coman;in one place it does a direct select in db ; in the other it uses its own function and that has its own parameters
1954010;1575137569;diana_coman;and yes, it annoyed me.
1954011;1575137577;mircea_popescu;you're doing the same thing in two different ways -- one place you ask for an empty type, the other for a "comment" type
1954012;1575137615;mircea_popescu;the function is just a wrapper on the exact same thing, wp_list_comments('type=comment'); is exactly SELECT * FROM $wpdb->comments WHERE comment_approved = '1' and comment_type = 'comment'
1954013;1575137644;diana_coman;it's mpwp that does same thing in two different ways; all I do is to conform to its different ways; and no; in db the comment_type is (as I checked) with 3 distinct values: empty string, "trackback" or "pingback"
1954014;1575137665;diana_coman;no "pings" for instance; but that wp_list_comments method has specific parameters at least according to docs
1954015;1575137678;diana_coman;respectively "comment" or "pings"
1954016;1575137683;mircea_popescu;no fucking wayu, really this dumb ?!
1954017;1575137689;diana_coman;so that's on mpwp not on me
1954018;1575137695;diana_coman;what can I tell you.
1954019;1575137715;diana_coman;this sort of shit is what I spent those 10 minutes on.
1954020;1575137756;mircea_popescu;pretty fucking retarded.
1954021;1575137782;mircea_popescu;anyway, this is then a mpwp guffaw, should evidently stick to one convention.
1954022;1575137786;mircea_popescu;meanwhile from the neener department : http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-30#1953933 <-> http://ossasepia.com/2019/11/29/comments-filtering-for-mp-wp/?b=And&e=I#select
1954023;1575137786;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-30 14:16:26 diana_coman: no, it's not about the loc and I specifically did not mention loc.
1954024;1575137850;diana_coman;lolz, I did not mention it referred to my answer to your question aka http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-30#1953930
1954025;1575137851;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-30 14:10:35 diana_coman: code changes that took 30 minutes, lol; not sure how can one define it more precisely in the general like that, it depends on a lot of things after all.
1954026;1575137855;mircea_popescu;:p
1954027;1575137887;mircea_popescu;im thinking... maybe the best kind of patch available is the one that takes the maker ten minutes to make.
1954028;1575137907;mircea_popescu;or in broader words : maybe we deeply misunderstand HOW to score what we do with computers. when to feel good, when not to, what to be happy or sad about
1954029;1575137936;mircea_popescu;[http://trilema.com/2015/recursive-dunning-kruger/][dunning kruger], rite.
1954030;1575137991;diana_coman;maybe it's just that I remembered why I had taken a break from computers, can be.
1954031;1575137997;mircea_popescu;lol
1954032;1575138005;mircea_popescu;why was that ?
1954033;1575138117;diana_coman;because they are sufferable only in small doses really and even then I'm not sure it's not just ..for contrast.
1954034;1575138341;*;diana_coman will bbl
1954035;1575138398;mircea_popescu;https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%22error%3A+%27thd_lib_detected%27+undeclared%22&t=ffsb&ia=web << in other lulz.
1954036;1575138419;mircea_popescu;clearly the web's such a repository of information.
1954037;1575146515;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-01#1949228 - since this came up in #o recently - I can see the point of taking trackbacks out of the comments rss too but at the same time I *want* to know of new trackbacks to my blog - how would that happen exactly?
1954038;1575146515;ossabot;Logged on 2019-11-01 22:46:01 mircea_popescu: anyways -- i dun think a blog should list pingbacks either in the comment rss or in the "new comments" navbar.
1954039;1575146537;diana_coman;at moderation time only?
1954040;1575146637;diana_coman;and more to the point: trackbacks *are* conversation namely via articles so I'd rather see also trackbacks to other blogs that I follow, hm.
1954041;1575158179;mircea_popescu;i have trackbacks in trilema rss
1954042;1575158186;mircea_popescu;it's nice to have imo
1954043;1575158348;mircea_popescu;in other news, this was trilema's biggest month this year, readership-wise. so was october, back then, and september... it's been crawling monotonically all year.