1939534;1569889854;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/10/qntra-s-qntr-september-2019-report/ << Qntra -- Qntra (S.QNTR) September 2019 Report 1939535;1569913490;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939329 & http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939330 - lol, the easy part! though for proper corridors I suspect I'll need to build the building too. 1939536;1569913490;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-30 18:54:01 mp_en_viaje: o look at that, diana_coman needs a princess dresstrain now with all them pages! 1939537;1569913491;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-30 18:56:47 BingoBoingo: Also corridors for note running and other forms of paging 1939538;1569913560;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939429 - you told it to me in pm once; I don't recall reading it somewhere else. 1939539;1569913561;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-30 20:05:21 mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, not much more than, my grandmother was school mistress, participated in 1950s ro campaign to likbez ("liquidate analphabetism"), various dudes begged to plox, can't just work the school fields in lieu of sit in class ? will fix fence ? door ? anything ? 1939540;1569923025;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, oh, really ? 1939541;1569923035;mp_en_viaje;can ye fish it out lol 1939542;1569923135;mp_en_viaje;an' holy shit i slept till noon. the slaves dun fled the coop, i'm left with plushy toys an' whips behind. WUT DO!!! 1939543;1569924561;diana_coman;either plush the whips or whip the plushes by the sounds of it; lemme fish that out though iirc it was ~what you said to BingoBoingo yest, not much more to it 1939544;1569924873;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: found it; for bonus points it's in Romanian too, ofc 1939545;1569924892;mp_en_viaje;keks mkay. 1939546;1569925410;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: http://ossasepia.com/2019/10/01/din-discutii-cu-bataie/ 1939547;1569925491;mp_en_viaje;why ty! 1939548;1569925531;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: enjoy! 1939549;1569925540;diana_coman;lol, poor asciilifeform will have to re-sync snsabot 1939550;1569925548;mp_en_viaje;keks i was just thinking 1939551;1569925571;feedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2019/10/01/din-discutii-cu-bataie/ << Ossa Sepia -- Din discutii cu bataie 1939552;1569936222;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/and-on-to-vienna/ << Trilema -- And on to Vienna... 1939553;1569940300;BingoBoingo; an' holy shit i slept till noon. the slaves dun fled the coop, i'm left with plushy toys an' whips behind. WUT DO!!! << Probably the move is give the plushes the whips and arrange them into a party. 1939554;1569941194;*;asciilifeform synced , by hand, log 1939555;1569941272;*;asciilifeform aboutta reset bot, to eat new config, expect 45s of dead time 1939556;1569941338;asciilifeform;there we go. 1939557;1569941524;asciilifeform;[http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=C27i][the botlog barf, for enlightenment of others]. 1939558;1569941652;*;asciilifeform abolishing the use of the dnsistic rotator in his bot. recommends to others to do same, and actually use the bot's rotator w/ known-good fleanode noads (granted there aint many) 1939559;1569941722;asciilifeform;currently set it to the 1 where lived for 40+ days. would say which, but would rather not have erryone hang from same 1 1939560;1569941836;*;asciilifeform brb:teatime 1939561;1569944419;diana_coman;wouldn't it be great if we had already own irc node, huh 1939562;1569945179;asciilifeform;net. 1939563;1569945223;asciilifeform;(just 1 noad aint gonna do anyffin useful in re seaworthiness, need at least 2) 1939564;1569945513;diana_coman;that's like saying neah, still better swimming the ocean naked than having a boat, what's a boat gonna do, need at least 2!!1 1939565;1569945532;asciilifeform;diana_coman: irc net w/ 1 noad is moar like half a boat imho. 1939566;1569945546;asciilifeform;for same reason as when there was only 1 logger. 1939567;1569945590;asciilifeform;but tbf i dun see why making 2nd,3rd, irc noad, would be any harder than when we did 2nd, 3rd... logger. 1939568;1569945611;diana_coman;ok, /me promises to let asciilifeform enjoy the salty water and not invite him to half-a-boat; makes some sense since admiral of half a boat is a bit silly, true. 1939569;1569945634;diana_coman;aha, precisely; but dunno why you got at first stuck on the number, lol. 1939570;1569945642;asciilifeform;diana_coman: well i did invite folx to my half boat (august logger) so let's similarly. 1939571;1569945664;*;asciilifeform admits that when thinks 'half boat', thinks of herodotus's 'scaphism' punishment 1939572;1569945685;diana_coman;asciilifeform: all right! 1939573;1569945780;asciilifeform;diana_coman: wasn't intended as an objection to the idea. simply that in asciilifeform's head, the main open q re irc noades is , how well does the 'net split' sync mechanism in existing servers, worx 1939574;1569945849;asciilifeform;(to experiment with this, need at least pair.) 1939575;1569945859;diana_coman;we shall find out; when we have nodes; still starts with...1 node. 1939576;1569945883;asciilifeform;diana_coman: anyone has the 1 yet ? or still in the worx 1939577;1569945912;diana_coman;lolz; not yet. 1939578;1569945916;asciilifeform;aite 1939579;1569946211;asciilifeform;grr diana_coman my comment was eaten 1939580;1569946217;asciilifeform;( i think because stray > ) 1939581;1569946233;asciilifeform;diana_coman: plox to nuke, i'ma repost 1939582;1569946281;*;asciilifeform still thinks it aint right that can't use e.g. '<<' in a wp comment . 1939583;1569947824;diana_coman;asciilifeform: nuked as requested; and answrt. 1939584;1569948293;BingoBoingo;Of mebbe historical interest to show the damaging effects of socialism https://i.redd.it/hdhrl6bfgyp31.jpg << Fireman's plaza 1934. Top left in the background is Palacio Salvo. To the right, Cerro and its fortification. 1939585;1569949442;asciilifeform;ty diana_coman 1939586;1569950336;mp_en_viaje;so.many.pictures. 1939587;1569950908;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: re that [http://trilema.com/2019/and-on-to-vienna/#comment-131622][12mn schloss] -- is that supposed to be a 'bargain' price ? i have nfi what these usually cost 1939588;1569950937;mp_en_viaje;i expect about fair, slightly overdone 1939589;1569950991;asciilifeform;( and, is it the kind mp_en_viaje described in old thread, where you gotta drill 3 metres of stone to put in toilet ? or already plumbed ) 1939590;1569951093;mp_en_viaje;https://www.sothebysrealty.com/eng/sales/detail/180-l-83027-ghgew9/fairytale-castle-tradition-meets-modernity-other-lower-austria-la-4101 << specific item 1939591;1569951120;mp_en_viaje; 43 Bedrooms 45 Full Bathrooms 5.8349 Acre(s) 1939592;1569951136;asciilifeform;nifty. 1939593;1569951178;mp_en_viaje;very likely will sell it in bitcoin if anyone cares enough to lean on thwem 1939594;1569951233;mp_en_viaje;now if you do the math, it comes to about same per bedroom-bathroom as the uruguay horrorshow 1939595;1569951345;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: what's austria like in re ameritardation ? ( iirc not yet in nato; but in practice, does it resist [http://qntra.net/2018/05/us-kangaroo-court-issues-conviction-for-kidnapped-antivirus-operator/][the usual idjicy] ? ) 1939596;1569951378;mp_en_viaje;nope 1939597;1569951400;mp_en_viaje;i mean... there's pic of me smoking indoors. is that enoguh answer ? 1939598;1569951468;asciilifeform;2km from asciilifeform's chair there's an indoor smokery. so that dun 100% answer. but otoh there's gotta be a reason why mp_en_viaje not already bought coupla austrian schlossen 1939599;1569951496;mp_en_viaje;da fuck do i want them for ? 1939600;1569951536;mp_en_viaje;they're not particular good deals, they're simply fair "waterlevel" so to speak. useful as a comparison point if one's confused. 1939601;1569951538;asciilifeform;nfi. but apparently did bother to window shop, neh 1939602;1569951539;asciilifeform;a. 1939603;1569951551;mp_en_viaje;was just continuing the uy real estate discussion 1939604;1569951559;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/10/trend-platforms-losing-free-labor-amid-political-pronoun-wars/ << Qntra -- Trend: "Platforms" Losing Free Labor Amid Political Pronoun Wars 1939605;1569951561;mp_en_viaje;happen to pass by, wasnt seeking it out 1939606;1569951594;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: iirc there were places with even cheaper schloss than ro, austria, etc. e.g. india. (but w/ the obv. problems) 1939607;1569951650;BingoBoingo;I suspect something like the schloss takes ~1 girl/year a week to clean (give or take factor of 2 maybe 3 margin of error). 1939608;1569951657;mp_en_viaje;nfi how you reason. 1939609;1569951668;mp_en_viaje;if india has schloss then washington has engineering experts, whynot. 1939610;1569951692;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, well, 45 bathrooms. 1939611;1569951740;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: well if a schloss aint a schloss unless built by at least a kurfurst -- then of course 0 in india. or cr. 1939612;1569951808;mp_en_viaje;right. 1939613;1569951833;mp_en_viaje;a) built at least by a kurfurst and b) within miles of A-1. 1939614;1569951846;mp_en_viaje;i ain't talking about bullshit rural nonsense, i want to get there at 120mph 1939615;1569951871;mp_en_viaje;if not possible, then a) not schloss and b) 50% discount indisputably 1939616;1569951909;*;asciilifeform pictures mp_en_viaje sizing up a flakturm for eurobase 1939617;1569951969;asciilifeform;they've convenient flat tops, too, could prolly get to it at 300mph in chopper.. 1939618;1569952083;asciilifeform;returning to BingoBoingo's q tho, just how many hands does it take to fully crew a 40room thing ? 1939619;1569952109;mp_en_viaje;afaik only a dozen or so of those were ever built 1939620;1569952152;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, from experience, an item like depicted would take about a baker's dozen to dozen-an-half slavegirls dedicated to the premises. 1939621;1569952159;*;asciilifeform would expect it'd need at least dozen pairs of hands to keep from looking like tutankhamon's dusty tomb. but not expert 1939622;1569952164;asciilifeform;a. 1939623;1569952199;mp_en_viaje;if you're entertaining though, you'll need cooks, scullery maids, fluffers, cocksuckers, bedwarmers an' everything else. 1939624;1569952213;asciilifeform;aha. i was thinking of even skeleton crew. 1939625;1569952233;mp_en_viaje;which is part of the problem -- such an item is a terrible design for a working lordly manor, because very ineptly tiered to an overtly equalitarian flatworld. 1939626;1569952235;asciilifeform;prolly needs dozen+ just to maintain as a passable museum 1939627;1569952246;mp_en_viaje;you'd want dungeons, you'd want communal quarters for the plebs, you'd want all sorts of things. 1939628;1569952253;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: it's roughly same problem as crewing a surplus sovok submarine 1939629;1569952261;asciilifeform;(where'll you get the deck hands?) 1939630;1569952265;mp_en_viaje;and as you can see from the shots, all the furniture can simply be thrown out, who the fuck wants a tub looks like an overlarge vase. 1939631;1569952287;mp_en_viaje;not at all, submarine's tight and unpleasant because NECESSARILY flat. 1939632;1569952330;asciilifeform;not that flat (assuming comment is re org chart) , there's traditionally no fewer than 3 level 1939633;1569952345;asciilifeform;( in ww1 germany -- even 4 ! ) 1939634;1569952367;mp_en_viaje;imo ideal design is more like 7 floors, going -3 dungeon -2 storage -1 garage 0 receiving 1 master's bedrooms 2 harem 3 servants 4 pools and amenties / terrace 1939635;1569952376;asciilifeform;aa, physical levels. 1939636;1569952400;mp_en_viaje;re submariens, no, i meant flat as in social hierarchy. commander's quarters aren't 100x the surface of midshipman. 1939637;1569952461;mp_en_viaje;these schloss things are more like overgrown bed&breakfast in practice, and i don't intend to run a motel. 1939638;1569952628;asciilifeform;e.g. sovok 'type 941' is almost what you'd want (iirc 7 decks) size-wise. but prolly bad deal for same reason as the austrian thing. 1939639;1569952819;BingoBoingo;I suspect the reinforced concrete mid-rise tower would make decent bones for a near-ideal design. I've been watching one of these go up in the backyard. It's just a shame the floors always get divided in such equalitarian manners. 1939640;1569952852;mp_en_viaje;to be fair my design is so early i don't even have anything definite worth the mention. so perhaps. 1939641;1569952940;BingoBoingo;The actual ferrocement structural components aside from the elevator shaft don't seem to be particularly limiting with respect to the floor layouts. 1939642;1569952973;mp_en_viaje;anyway, re typhoons : they're a 23x12meter oval 170ish meters long. this is fucking tiny wtf. 1939643;1569952992;mp_en_viaje;and a third of it has to be a nuclear reactor. i don't fucking want to have to operate a (marine!) nuclear reactor. 1939644;1569953032;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: came with 4 diesels , and i dun suppose the reactor gets sold at any rate. but if mp_en_viaje says 'too small', then too small, who am i to say. 1939645;1569953055;mp_en_viaje;your total usable floor space is not going to be over 500 sqm or so. 1939646;1569953076;asciilifeform;well asciilifeform never 1ce lived in anyffing remotely approaching 500 sqm, so possibly aint one to talk. 1939647;1569953081;mp_en_viaje;and meh diesels, if you don't nuclear why submarine, buy a boat. 1939648;1569953109;mp_en_viaje;my cr place is about there. it's not THAT big. 1939649;1569953159;*;asciilifeform aint by any rights qualified to design a schloss, cuz 'never inverted 10k x 10k matrix' 1939650;1569966606;BingoBoingo;A bit more than an hour remains before te first Uruguayan presidential debate in 25 years. 1939651;1569968959;feedbot;http://bingology.net/2019/10/01/overview-of-local-politics-as-the-election-approaches-pre-debate-edition/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Overview Of Local Politics As The Election Approaches Pre-Debate Edition 1939652;1569968993;BingoBoingo;^ Obligatory unbounded symbol warning for asciilifeform 1939653;1569972222;mp_en_viaje;http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/09/mp-wp-bot-work-plan-week-4/#comment-125 << this is not even altogether a meritless issue, "how and when to rationally merge trees" 1939654;1569979580;lobbes;!Xview 1061 1939655;1569979581;auctionbot;Buy order # 1061 has ENDED: 1209 Wired Filthy Fiats, WU is fine but not preferred SOLD by bvt for 161mn ecu. Attn: BingoBoingo 1939656;1569979581;auctionbot;Buy order # 1061: 1209 Wired Filthy Fiats, WU is fine but not preferred Opening: 161mn ecu Leading Bid: 161mn ecu Ending: 2019-10-02 05:55:34.297573 UTC (16 hours 17 mins) 1939657;1569979593;lobbes;er okay some buggage I've found 1939658;1569979732;lobbes;ah shit, I know what happened; bot dropped but backend kept going, and sent the "END" message to the outbox table. I need to remember to clear that before brining bot back online after outages 1939659;1569979819;lobbes;in any case, auction 1061 NOT ended, but [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/pizarro/2019-10-01#1000223][extended 18 hours] to make up for outage time 1939660;1569979819;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-01 17:20:15 lobbes_field: I can extend the auction for the downtime. Will make note not to charge for downtime hours as well (even though auction billing is still in suspended state) 1939661;1569979874;lobbes;ugh now I need to update by ericbot to asciilifeform's new patch. Above echo from #pizarro ^^^ 1939662;1569979907;lobbes;bot hell today! /me goes off to apply latest stan-logotron patch 1939663;1569983861;lobbes;!e version 1939664;1569983862;ericbot;I am bot version 596907. 1939665;1569983927;lobbes;k, got the latest logotron patch applied. asciilifeform: I've also read through and [http://lobbesblog.com/src/logotron/sept_fixes.kv.vpatch.lobbes.sig][signed said patch] 1939666;1569994745;mp_en_viaje;meanwhile, in things chinese thought, "Reading this proclamation, I have concluded that the Westerners are petty indeed. It is impossible to reason with them because they do not understand larger issues as we understand them in China. There is not a single Westerner versed in Chinese works, and their remarks are often incredible and ridiculous. To judge from this proclamation, their religion is no different from other small, bigoted sects of Buddhis 1939667;1569994745;mp_en_viaje;m or Taoism. I have never seen a document which contains so much nonsense. From now on, Westerners should not be allowed to preach in China, to avoid further trouble." 1939668;1569996596;diana_coman;hm, ossabot is stuck with "WARNING [Errno 106] Transport endpoint is already connected" 1939669;1569996599;diana_coman;gah 1939670;1569997440;bvt;diana_coman: this should have been fixed here: http://bvt-trace.net/2019/09/logotron-active-disconnect-vpatch/ , please give it a spin; iirc it did not get into sept_fixes vpatch 1939671;1569997671;diana_coman;bvt: ah, I had this niggling thought that there *was* some patch I missed somehow; asciilifeform what was it with this/why didn't it make it into the sept vpatch? 1939672;1569997711;diana_coman;bvt: ty, I'll give it a try. 1939673;1569998756;bvt;it will need regrind now though 1939674;1569999326;diana_coman;bvt: no worries; I'll first just make the changes, deploy and see how it keeps on; though it took ossabot ~10 days before it fell down at all. 1939675;1569999926;diana_coman;and deployed; ossabot now running with bvt's fix for socket-trouble. 1939676;1570001520;mp_en_viaje;ya srsly, why did that get by the wayside. 1939677;1570001758;spyked;hm, earliest I see on that is asciilifeform's http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-13#1935924 1939678;1570001758;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-13 11:21:57 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-13#1935883 << bvt you will need to regrind, you left out [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-12#1935847][yesterday's patch] from yer sequence 1939679;1570001777;mp_en_viaje;tsk, misgrind cascade! 1939680;1570001829;mp_en_viaje;bvt, regrind it on the current head plox, and before someone comes up with another patch so you get the first signature on your own thing plox 1939681;1570002501;bvt;spyked: that was for the pre-writeup vpatch release, the one published with a writeup was reground to the head of that time 1939682;1570002668;bvt;will regrind once again later today 1939683;1570009373;mp_en_viaje;damn. 1939684;1570017994;diana_coman;bvt: ping please when you regrind as I will sign it and mirror it too, thank you. 1939685;1570019753;diana_coman;who even is dllud? 1939686;1570020251;auctionbot;Buy order # 1061: 1209 Wired Filthy Fiats, WU is fine but not preferred Heard: 155mn from jurov outbidding bvt. Ending: 2019-10-02 05:55:34.297573 UTC (4 hours 59 mins) 1939687;1570021347;auctionbot;Buy order # 1061: 1209 Wired Filthy Fiats, WU is fine but not preferred Heard: 151mn from bvt outbidding jurov. Ending: 2019-10-02 05:55:34.297573 UTC (4 hours 40 mins) 1939688;1570026580;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/drei-hacken-undt-hings/ << Trilema -- Drei Hacken undt Hings 1939689;1570027665;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, nfi 1939690;1570028565;BingoBoingo;In local stories of national import eclipsing debate the "bocas de drogas" have been obsoleted by "PorritosYa", https://www.montevideo.com.uy/Noticias/Sospechan-que-grupo-narco-instalo-delivery-de-drogas-en-pleno-centro-de-Montevideo-uc731479 1939691;1570029101;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-02#1939614 << coarse error of pilotage on my part. was convinced it was in my sequence, even thought 'oh hey reconnect nao actually worx' the other day. 1939692;1570029102;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-02 03:13:54 diana_coman: bvt: ah, I had this niggling thought that there *was* some patch I missed somehow; asciilifeform what was it with this/why didn't it make it into the sept vpatch? 1939693;1570029219;asciilifeform;will wait for [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-02#1939625][bvt's] reissue, otherwise tomorrow will do it with own hands. 1939694;1570029220;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-02 04:37:11 bvt: will regrind once again later today 1939695;1570029295;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-02#1939617 << this is how i ended up with an almost entirely broken reconnector for 40d, lol 1939696;1570029295;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-02 03:41:29 diana_coman: bvt: no worries; I'll first just make the changes, deploy and see how it keeps on; though it took ossabot ~10 days before it fell down at all. 1939697;1570029366;*;asciilifeform has meanwhile written most of a semi-auto syncer 1939698;1570034679;asciilifeform;ACHTUNG, panzers! piz pipe down ?! 1939699;1570034843;*;asciilifeform recyned via diana_coman 1939700;1570034850;asciilifeform;loox like ~1min outage. 1939701;1570034864;asciilifeform;hey BingoBoingo didja ever get an answer outta'em re the last time ? 1939702;1570035007;asciilifeform;*resynced 1939703;1570035821;mod6;Hey all, here's the Foundation statement for September: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2019-October/000339.html 1939704;1570035978;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-02#1939628 << seems to lurk in #a too. perhaps the current enemy spy, i have nfi 1939705;1570035978;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-02 09:21:57 diana_coman: who even is dllud? 1939706;1570036000;asciilifeform;( hey spies, y'know you can simply read the log ? ) 1939707;1570036116;asciilifeform;i suspect they've a ms-excel plugin for irc , but not for log parsing, or somesuch lul 1939708;1570036290;asciilifeform;mod6: re tbf : the '833 TMSR BTC' thing has cost 400+ usd to date, but seems to never have been used. do you want to keep it up ? 1939709;1570036309;asciilifeform;mod6: cuz if so, i'ma start invoicing for it, the price keeps steadily creeping up 1939710;1570036360;asciilifeform;wb trinque 1939711;1570036761;mod6;asciilifeform: I don't see a reason to keep it up, because it isn't being used. Let's let mircea_popescu weigh in on this though. Anyway, I'm totally fine if you want to invoice the foundation for what you spent on it. 1939712;1570036781;mod6;Invoices to be directed to jurov, he pays them out. 1939713;1570038028;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: They are watching the situation going to poking again now 1939714;1570038469;asciilifeform;mod6: o 1939715;1570038470;asciilifeform;k 1939716;1570038514;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: aite, lemme know if there's update , and keep prodding'em 1939717;1570045205;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-02#1939609 << dug up a [https://archive.is/zFlpH][source] this this and it's pretty interesting. apparently the papal idjits lost china very similarly to how lost japan. 1939718;1570045206;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-02 02:25:07 mp_en_viaje: meanwhile, in things chinese thought, "Reading this proclamation, I have concluded that the Westerners are petty indeed. It is impossible to reason with them because they do not understand larger issues as we understand them in China. There is not a single Westerner versed in Chinese works, and their remarks are often incredible and ridiculous. To judge from this proclamation, their religion is no different from o 1939719;1570045223;asciilifeform;* for this 1939720;1570045632;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-02#1939633 << [https://archive.is/scs37][in related dope oddities] : 'Thomas Jefferson was a drug criminal. But he managed to escape the terrible sword of justice by dying a century before the DEA was created. In 1987 agents from the Drug Enforcement Agency showed up at Monticello, Jefferson's famous estate. Jefferson had planted opium poppies in his medicinal garden, and opium poppies a 1939721;1570045632;asciilifeform;re now deemed illegal. Now, the trouble was the folks at the Monticello Foundation, which preserves and maintains the historic site, were discovered flagrantly continuing Jefferson's crimes. The agents were blunt: The poppies had to be immediately uprooted and destroyed or else they were going to start making arrests, and Monticello Foundation personnel would perhaps face lengthy stretches in prison...' 1939722;1570045632;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-02 11:48:49 BingoBoingo: In local stories of national import eclipsing debate the "bocas de drogas" have been obsoleted by "PorritosYa", https://www.montevideo.com.uy/Noticias/Sospechan-que-grupo-narco-instalo-delivery-de-drogas-en-pleno-centro-de-Montevideo-uc731479 1939723;1570049205;asciilifeform;wb jurov 1939724;1570049353;jurov;hello asciilifeform 1939725;1570049458;jurov;!!v 30E7EE37BEDFA7633B95DD4E5C2A5A247379B2A7FFCBD5C1850932E73113185C 1939726;1570049462;deedbot;jurov paid BingBoingo invoice 16 1939727;1570050781;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/10/airstrip-one-begins-judicial-bitcoin-and-crypto-auctions/ << Qntra -- Airstrip One Begins Judicial Bitcoin And "Crypto" Auctions 1939728;1570052155;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Issue with an upstream switch is the report. 1939729;1570054118;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: reported fixed ? 1939730;1570055040;BingoBoingo;Reported fixed 1939731;1570059175;bvt;diana_coman, asciilifeform: [http://bvt-trace.net/2019/09/logotron-active-disconnect-vpatch/][post] with vpatch updated 1939732;1570059195;asciilifeform;bvt: ty! will eat 1939733;1570059286;bvt;yw 1939734;1570059922;asciilifeform;ACHTUNG, panzers : about to rotate in new bot ; expect ~45s of dead time. 3... 2... 1.. 1939735;1570059968;asciilifeform;!q version 1939736;1570059968;snsabot;I am bot version 596907. 1939737;1570059988;asciilifeform;lol bvt you fughot to turn the version knob 1939738;1570060054;asciilifeform;bvt: canhaz regrind ? 1939739;1570060068;asciilifeform;otherwise i'ma fix , but not until next patch 1939740;1570060164;*;lobbes wonders if it is worth it in next patch to have bot.py simply parse the MANIFEST.txt for version number emitting 1939741;1570060181;asciilifeform;lobbes: i deliberately did not put it in config ! 1939742;1570060218;asciilifeform;lobbes: imho it really aint too much to ask, for folx to mark version in the piece being altered, considering that bot has own version (changes moar rarely than reader) 1939743;1570060697;lobbes;oh, so the intention is to update that version # only if changing the bot.py? I assumed it was to be updated even if just changing the reader.py, for e.g. 1939744;1570060703;asciilifeform;nope 1939745;1570060721;asciilifeform;lobbes: it aint a replacement for the manifest knob. specifically wanted mechanism where can ask bot whichthefuck bot it is. 1939746;1570060730;asciilifeform;bot, specifically. 1939747;1570060733;lobbes;ah okay, now I see. makes sense 1939748;1570060752;asciilifeform;lobbes: it seems useless nao, but when we do autosyncs, will be important. 1939749;1570064725;lobbes;!Xview 1061 1939750;1570064726;auctionbot;Buy order # 1061: 1209 Wired Filthy Fiats, WU is fine but not preferred Opening: 161mn ecu Leading Bid: 151mn ecu Ending: 2019-10-03 05:55:34.297573 UTC (16 hours 37 mins) 1939751;1570064735;lobbes;back up; auction extended so it ends at roughly same time tomorrow as it should have ended today. 1939752;1570070552;feedbot;http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/10/auctionbot-full-patch-list-and-bootstrapping-guide/ << lobbesblog -- Auctionbot: full patch list and bootstrapping guide 1939753;1570071334;asciilifeform;lobbes: pretty neat. ( and you could prolly shorten it substantially by replacing the old cl bot with mine, but iirc you have a full plate w/ mp's wptronic item atm ) 1939754;1570071385;asciilifeform;( might want to do this eventually -- the old bot jams ) 1939755;1570071655;lobbes;asciilifeform: yeah, I'm seriously considering swapping the "base" bot with yours at some point. Reconnect issues are a veritable plague for running an auction house (refunds are one thing, but in BingoBoingo's case, for e.g., I know he's depending on auctions closing on schedule in order to pay bills) 1939756;1570071674;lobbes;In the meantime I stopped by spyked's castle to see if maybe he has a pill I'm not aware of for the cl-bot, since I'm pretty unversed in all things lisp 1939757;1570071766;lobbes;but indeed, top priority for me right now is getting mircea_popescu's bot complete. Hopefully fleanode weather + data center gnomes will be kind in the meantime 1939758;1570081327;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-02#1939649 << maybe shit's just too incredible to be taken on faith, gotta sit here see the magic happen to believe. 1939759;1570081327;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-02 13:52:44 asciilifeform: ( hey spies, y'know you can simply read the log ? ) 1939760;1570081467;feedbot;http://thetarpit.org/posts/y06/0a4-targoviste.html << The Tar Pit -- Trgovite 1939761;1570081468;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-02#1939654 << sorry, what ? did i miss something here ? 1939762;1570081468;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-02 14:05:26 mod6: asciilifeform: I don't see a reason to keep it up, because it isn't being used. Let's let mircea_popescu weigh in on this though. Anyway, I'm totally fine if you want to invoice the foundation for what you spent on it. 1939763;1570081545;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-02#1939660 << for my own archival needs i am satisfied the pope didn't so much "lose" china as... got to keep italy (and most of the old spanish possessions). 1939764;1570081546;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-02 16:26:10 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-02#1939609 << dug up a [https://archive.is/zFlpH][source] this this and it's pretty interesting. apparently the papal idjits lost china very similarly to how lost japan. 1939765;1570081589;mp_en_viaje;think for the sake of argument how "not losing" china'd have looked : 2/3 of cardinals born over there within less than a century ? last italian pope in 18th century ? last euro pope so long ago nobody over here even remembers it ? 1939766;1570081647;mp_en_viaje;it was, amusingly, the chinese emperor who lacked subtility ; not that i fundamentally disagree with his first pass evaluation. but it is he that's the simple native in the relationship, on last examination. 1939767;1570081734;mp_en_viaje;japan nonsense immensely less defensible on these same lines, of course/ 1939768;1570081950;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-02#1939685 << which makes it easy to forget (not that i'm defending it). 1939769;1570081951;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-02 20:36:24 asciilifeform: lobbes: imho it really aint too much to ask, for folx to mark version in the piece being altered, considering that bot has own version (changes moar rarely than reader) 1939770;1570082047;mp_en_viaje;the one advantage of http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-02#1939683 as a general policy of the republic would be that it'd permit more meaningful / informative version reports. ie, "snsabot bot I am bot version 596907, "added mustachios and removed pistachios", by dillaudildo." in lieu of "snsabot bot I am bot version 596907." 1939771;1570082047;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-02 20:35:30 lobbes: wonders if it is worth it in next patch to have bot.py simply parse the MANIFEST.txt for version number emitting 1939772;1570082071;mp_en_viaje;!q version 1939773;1570082072;snsabot;I am bot version 596907. 1939774;1570082170;mp_en_viaje;took me a while to figure out wtf there's a spurious "bot" in there. honestly asciilifeform i don't think adding text after the name is acceptable. maybe a [B] prefix for the name ? ie instead of "snsabot bot I am bot version 596907." do "[B]snsabot I am bot version 596907." 1939775;1570082450;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-02#1939700 << yeah! 1939776;1570082450;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-02 23:48:52 lobbes: but indeed, top priority for me right now is getting mircea_popescu's bot complete. Hopefully fleanode weather + data center gnomes will be kind in the meantime 1939777;1570084247;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939703 << seems rather likely the derivation's similar to miriste (which yes, from mir, "world") 1939778;1570084248;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-03 02:30:34 feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y06/0a4-targoviste.html << The Tar Pit -- Trgovite 1939779;1570084371;mp_en_viaje;same story with n-iște f-iște [cine] etc. 1939780;1570084844;mp_en_viaje;as always, romanian "dictionaries" made by [http://trilema.com/2010/hai-sa-studiem-gramatica-impreuna/][tards], deeply unqualified to be away from munca de jos : https://dexonline.ro/definitie/miri%C8%99te quotes some imaginary bulgarian "мерище", that aside from not actually existing in bulgarian (there exists a town in Країна Хорватія whose name's thusly spelled IN UKRAINIAN though, of course, of course), can't even possibly be 1939781;1570084844;mp_en_viaje; the root, seeing how me ain't EVEN CLOSE to mi. not AT ALL, not even vaguely how these things work whatsoever. 1939782;1570085113;mp_en_viaje;anyways, the etymologically closest english for miriste would perhaps be "real estate". it derived through different paths and ended up co-opted into different usages by a very differently built up imaginarium ; nevertheless it's what it is : cunt in [https://sexhd.pics/gallery/eroticax/mia-malkova/enhanced-creampie-jpg/mia-malkova-1.jpg][its used up state], the world autumnal. 1939783;1570085216;mp_en_viaje;anyway, tirgoviste, "marketness". what both london and washington ever aspired to be, yet never figured out how to state. 1939784;1570085666;*;mp_en_viaje very much protests re http://thetarpit.org/uploads/2019/10/targoviste-04-thumb.png creepy designation. not creepy at all, just... [http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/radu_gyr.jpg][has had a hard life], but nevertheles... is [http://trilema.com/2013/a-story-of-a-boy-and-a-tree/?b=I%20am%20sorry&e=dew#select][very happy to see you]! 1939785;1570086085;mp_en_viaje;re Vlad IV, one notable aspect could be that he was at least 70yo when he died. puts things in perspective, doesn't it, to think that he was certainly alive by 1425 and yet only ascended in the 80s. supposedly this sorta longevity wasn't supposed to be possible, at the time, at the margins. 1939786;1570086118;mp_en_viaje;dude died of natural causes while everyone else around him mexican standoff'd each other. 1939787;1570086359;mp_en_viaje;thar shit about the turks cruelties and barbarities whereby they came by the hundred to "kidnap" a woman and some children (ie, her owner reclaimed her) and otherwise stole some bees and ~THREATENED~ to rustle cattle (who the fuck warns of this, srsly now)... 1939788;1570087651;spyked;mp_en_viaje, must admit to not having read most of the chronicles of the time, but still irked by locals' attempt at turning voivods into national heroes. "mihai had the purpose of reuniting romanian principalities" my foot. 1939789;1570087714;mp_en_viaje;yes ; but in blank wholesale countermanding of rural naivity one doesn't end up with a nuanced worldview. ends up with symmetrical rural naivity. 1939790;1570087780;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939727 <-- really liked the house, but dunno why current owners decided to put a scarecrow (scarehuman?) at one of the windows. prolly because largely abandoned? there were similar houses in town in top shape. 1939791;1570087781;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-03 03:56:24 mp_en_viaje: very much protests re http://thetarpit.org/uploads/2019/10/targoviste-04-thumb.png creepy designation. not creepy at all, just... [http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/radu_gyr.jpg][has had a hard life], but nevertheles... is [http://trilema.com/2013/a-story-of-a-boy-and-a-tree/?b=I%20am%20sorry&e=dew#select][very happy to see you]!  1939792;1570088007;mp_en_viaje;it's somewhat a pity he was born before they figured out how to make houses, thus he's just as useless in practice as yest's discussed schloss. 1939793;1570088011;spyked;mp_en_viaje, /me hoped to find moar about these in the museum of history. unfortunately museum had trouble keeping the lights on, let alone present interesting deeds of vlad iv. and it was like this most places, they simply kept lights off until we showed. 1939794;1570088013;mp_en_viaje;but what can you do. 1939795;1570088037;spyked;*showed up 1939796;1570088049;mp_en_viaje;anyway, vlad 4 aka"the monk" seems rather like a local stoic, in the aurelian tradition. 1939797;1570088080;mp_en_viaje;but data is scarce (mostly becayse rotards too stupid to learn turkish, go to istanbul, read archives ; and nobody else gives a shit so far) 1939798;1570088116;mp_en_viaje;but above recipe could readily make an ACTUAL romanian scholar, whom the rest of the rotards could pretend doesn't exist and "be surprised" etcetera, like they do. 1939799;1570088383;spyked;lol. at least they have a phd at sorbonne. 1939800;1570088605;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939722 <-- huh, indeed. niște/fiște didn't pop out, /me went straight to miriște/bobiște/cânepiște 1939801;1570088614;spyked;woops 1939802;1570088900;mp_en_viaje;now you've dunit 1939803;1570089237;*;spyked apologizes to diana_coman for the upcoming headache 1939804;1570091222;diana_coman;fixt! 1939805;1570091289;diana_coman;at least bot reconnected properly so I didn't http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-02#1939638 1939806;1570091289;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-02 12:16:49 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-02#1939617 << this is how i ended up with an almost entirely broken reconnector for 40d, lol 1939807;1570091289;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-02 03:41:29 diana_coman: bvt: no worries; I'll first just make the changes, deploy and see how it keeps on; though it took ossabot ~10 days before it fell down at all. 1939808;1570092747;bvt;asciilifeform, diana_coman: i have reuploaded the reground vpatch with version in bot.py set correctly 1939809;1570095241;diana_coman;bvt: thank you! signed and mirrored: http://ossasepia.com/reference-code-shelf/?b=active_disconnect&e=#select 1939810;1570096369;diana_coman;and bot re-deployed, pressed to latest head (aka bvt's vpatch) 1939811;1570096373;diana_coman;!o version 1939812;1570096373;ossabot;I am bot version 597604. 1939813;1570096435;diana_coman;I agree with the [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939717][spurious "bot"] though; now it reads "ossabot bot", ugh. 1939814;1570096436;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-03 02:58:08 mp_en_viaje: took me a while to figure out wtf there's a spurious "bot" in there. honestly asciilifeform i don't think adding text after the name is acceptable. maybe a [B] prefix for the name ? ie instead of "snsabot bot I am bot version 596907." do "[B]snsabot I am bot version 596907." 1939815;1570109819;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939717 << this is bug, i'ma take a look shortly ( and bots already were marked in grey, no need at all for any other marking ) 1939816;1570109820;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-03 02:42:17 mp_en_viaje: took me a while to figure out wtf there's a spurious "bot" in there. honestly asciilifeform i don't think adding text after the name is acceptable. maybe a [B] prefix for the name ? ie instead of "snsabot bot I am bot version 596907." do "[B]snsabot I am bot version 596907." 1939817;1570109878;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939704 << q was re the tbf telephone thing. 1939818;1570109878;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-03 02:30:35 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-02#1939654 << sorry, what ? did i miss something here ? 1939819;1570109903;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939706 << this is a point 1939820;1570109903;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-03 02:31:53 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-02#1939660 << for my own archival needs i am satisfied the pope didn't so much "lose" china as... got to keep italy (and most of the old spanish possessions). 1939821;1570112070;asciilifeform;fixed!! in current copy; will cut patch shortly 1939822;1570112085;asciilifeform;literally single-digit typo 1939823;1570112124;*;asciilifeform will give it another read before patching.. 1939824;1570112900;asciilifeform;ACHTUNG, PANZERS! [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3452][logotron www updated] ! 1939825;1570112928;asciilifeform;'sept_errata.kv.vpatch' fixes the barf detailed earlier . 1939826;1570112949;asciilifeform;active_disconnect_r3.kv.vpatch , + asciilifeform's , bvt's, diana_coman's, sigs, mirrored. 1939827;1570112988;asciilifeform;i find it interesting that folx immediately assumed the bug were a feature, lol. 1939828;1570113152;asciilifeform;was in reader, rather than bot; lobbes , diana_coman , no need to reset bots. 1939829;1570113182;asciilifeform;( tho i'ma reset mine later today, to display correct ver ) 1939830;1570113282;asciilifeform;!q version 1939831;1570113282;snsabot;I am bot version 597604. 1939832;1570113285;asciilifeform;^ done 1939833;1570113311;asciilifeform;ok, whole thing nao current . 1939834;1570113511;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939720 << this possible; but alternatively via мера (measure, via μέτρον naturally) 1939835;1570113511;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-03 03:16:55 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939703 << seems rather likely the derivation's similar to miriste (which yes, from mir, "world") 1939836;1570113597;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939703 << ftr there's at least 1 торговище town in ru . 1939837;1570113598;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-03 02:30:34 feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y06/0a4-targoviste.html << The Tar Pit -- Trgovite 1939838;1570113679;asciilifeform;via slavic торг , trade ( торговец -- trader ) 1939839;1570113759;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939728 << the old libertard trick of presenting life expectancy as a scalar is as elementary as '3 card monte', ~nobody falls for it unless 'wants to' 1939840;1570113760;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-03 03:47:32 mp_en_viaje: re Vlad IV, one notable aspect could be that he was at least 70yo when he died. puts things in perspective, doesn't it, to think that he was certainly alive by 1425 and yet only ascended in the 80s. supposedly this sorta longevity wasn't supposed to be possible, at the time, at the margins. 1939841;1570113790;*;asciilifeform brb:teatime 1939842;1570114182;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939760 << oh, well, i figure the people not calling won the stalemate with the people not making a foundation -- so no further use for it. if we re-do it later it'll be a different number for a real foundation 1939843;1570114182;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-03 10:24:07 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939704 << q was re the tbf telephone thing. 1939844;1570114307;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939777 << a "me" will not be imported as "mi", because of complicated ethophonetic considerations that are directly and easily explained by reference to uncanny valley. man might take mulatto wife, but will not take corpse wife. even if was white in life, and gray is closer to white than chocolate. 1939845;1570114308;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-03 11:24:40 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939720 << this possible; but alternatively via мера (measure, via μέτρον naturally) 1939846;1570114715;mp_en_viaje;deretica (prob ultimately from de-radicare) not diretica ; descurca not discurca (even through very likely from incolicare -- because conflict with discourse) ; melc not milc ; jertfa not jirtfa while sila not sela ; veac not viac ~even though pronounciation is almost there, writing still has not followed~. and so ongoing. 1939847;1570114747;mp_en_viaje;there is literally no case of consonant-e- root from slavic that became consonant-i in ro. 1939848;1570116308;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i'ma have to buy, cuz unequipped to comment in detail just yet 1939849;1570116456;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939785 << not even to disagree w/ mp_en_viaje's comments, but hey mod6 there's an even moar elementary problem : ben_vulpes went to bottom of the sea, and you haven't filled his throne yet (per charter, oughta) 1939850;1570116456;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-03 11:35:51 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939760 << oh, well, i figure the people not calling won the stalemate with the people not making a foundation -- so no further use for it. if we re-do it later it'll be a different number for a real foundation 1939851;1570116744;asciilifeform;!Qlater tell trinque do you think you can get ben to reappear for long enuff to properly appoint tbf successor ? cuz imho a heavy bag o'coin attached to a beheaded tbf is unseemly and the orig charter offers no gc mechanism for it 1939852;1570116744;lobbesbot;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1939853;1570116901;*;asciilifeform wonders whether bvt , trinque , hanbot, or spyked might want the job 1939854;1570116995;*;asciilifeform reminds readers that he is not in any capacity in tbf and cannot formally nominate anyone . matter is entirely in hands of mod6 , tho he'd be wise to consult mp re wat-do imho. 1939855;1570117423;asciilifeform;in apropos sovok folklore : 1939856;1570117463;asciilifeform;once upon a time, a drunken construction crew left behind a welder's hat. a little boy picks it up and puts on; 1939857;1570117499;asciilifeform;he walks along the street. suddenly a van stops, and inside there is pedofag , 'hey boy, like candy?' boy -- gets in. 1939858;1570117539;asciilifeform;boy still wearing the helmet. driver asks, 'kiddo, do you know what the penis is ?' boy, puzzled, 'no sir' 1939859;1570117578;asciilifeform;asks again : 'boy, do you know what is to cum?' boy, again, 'no sir' 1939860;1570117612;asciilifeform;asks again, 'boy...' finally boy takes off helmet and utters : 'sir, i fess up, i dun know these things, cuz i aint a REAL WELDER!!!' 1939861;1570118168;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939730 << i thought turks mainly picked up youngest-sons for the yenicheri corps 1939862;1570118169;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-03 03:52:06 mp_en_viaje: thar shit about the turks cruelties and barbarities whereby they came by the hundred to "kidnap" a woman and some children (ie, her owner reclaimed her) and otherwise stole some bees and ~THREATENED~ to rustle cattle (who the fuck warns of this, srsly now)... 1939863;1570118204;asciilifeform;( and chix, but from designated breeding grounds which afaik at no pt included wallachia & co ) 1939864;1570118450;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939710 << funnily enuff, the crypto-christians left behind in jp after missionaries expelled, mutated into such a bizarre fork chain that modern church does not recognize'em as anyffin at all ( they mutter unrecognizable chants , which at some pt in 17th c were latin , from phonetic crib sheets to this day... but elsewise resemble 'insular buddhist sect' very closely ) 1939865;1570118450;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-03 02:35:01 mp_en_viaje: japan nonsense immensely less defensible on these same lines, of course/ 1939866;1570118498;asciilifeform;there's of course a set of much later converts there, via the usa conquest, but these have sumthing like proper translations. 1939867;1570124629;auctionbot;Buy order # 1061 has ENDED: 1209 Wired Filthy Fiats, WU is fine but not preferred SOLD by bvt for 151mn ecu. Attn: BingoBoingo 1939868;1570125527;*;lobbes pats auctionbot 1939869;1570125529;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939767 << nifty! I will apply patch later today (submerged in saecular liquishit atm) 1939870;1570125530;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-03 14:30:00 asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, PANZERS! [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3452][logotron www updated] ! 1939871;1570125657;*;lobbes thanks bvt for his regrinds and efforts 1939872;1570129757;asciilifeform;folx w/ mathematical inclinations, invited to comment re [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-03#1004466][auto-sync algo described in #o] . 1939873;1570129758;snsabot;(ossasepia) 2019-10-03 asciilifeform: diana_coman: this is correct, and in fact is moar serious, from mathematical pov, problem , than appears at 1st glance 1939874;1570130256;diana_coman;asciilifeform: better state it here though 1939875;1570130413;diana_coman;asciilifeform: why use timestamps rather than log lines number though? I don't get how is that better at all; ie give syncer "last known ok line", should drop anything with id > that for the chan; then import everything with id > that from the reference 1939876;1570130414;asciilifeform;diana_coman: aite. proposed algo , is a manually-triggered item that 1) takes a 'breakage point', i.e. last known correctly logged line represented by tuple [chan, index] . 2) finds its timestamp 3) drops errything in db postdating said timestamp 4) walks list of peer loggers, fetches for each enabled chan, errything from last-known-idx i to i+500 5) 4 is repeated until returns <500 6) then takes the ~longest~ such result, from the s 1939877;1570130414;asciilifeform;et of loggers that returned valid outputs 7) eats. 1939878;1570130437;asciilifeform;diana_coman: idea is to sync all chans , rather than having to fire per-chan. 1939879;1570130461;diana_coman;ah, you mean the timestamp as cross-chan reference point locally 1939880;1570130464;asciilifeform;correct. 1939881;1570130558;asciilifeform;so, to complete the picture, this algo is guaranteed to work correctly if a) one of the peers actually contains the complete log segment for time T .. present b) no one speaks in the interval while it operates c) the timestamp T correctly represents the cutoff 1939882;1570130591;asciilifeform;(c) in particular [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-03#1004471][may be violated] if there are recently imported (from peer loggers) lines in the db . 1939883;1570130592;snsabot;(ossasepia) 2019-10-03 asciilifeform: diana_coman: there is 1 potential point of danger re the described syncer -- if the 'break line' chosen was ~itself~ imported from another bot, it may result in unwanted droppage ( there is no guarantee of monotonicity of timestamps except as written by ~one particular~ bot, atm ) 1939884;1570130606;asciilifeform;(b) may potentially be violated during any given shot . 1939885;1570130627;asciilifeform;(a) may be violated if one of the loggers is not merely missing lines but is in some way broken . 1939886;1570130640;diana_coman;in principle if one runs it with bot *disconnected*, a talk within the sync interval simply requires a re-run rather than breaking anything, no? 1939887;1570130650;diana_coman;or hm, the "longest sequence" may be misleading 1939888;1570130666;asciilifeform;diana_coman: entirely correct, re disconnected bot ; though someone may speak ~as it reconnects~ 1939889;1570130694;diana_coman;true; honestly, the only reasonable sync that I can see is literally bots talking to one another ie ...gossipd, no? 1939890;1570130707;asciilifeform;diana_coman: if one or more of the peers contains the truthful record of the interval, the 'longest' algo will select that peer. 1939891;1570130714;asciilifeform;trouble starts if ~all~ are broken. 1939892;1570130724;asciilifeform;diana_coman: ultimately yes 1939893;1570130743;asciilifeform;tho even then you would have to impose conditions re what happens when 2 or more peers disagree. 1939894;1570130781;diana_coman;asciilifeform: my point re misleading longest sequence was if new talk in between getting sequence from a and from b, causing b to be longest just because latest retrieved; anyway, I don't think it can be done a whole lot better at this level really. 1939895;1570130790;diana_coman;ie for what it is, it's fine. 1939896;1570130814;asciilifeform;diana_coman: hence why i will not propose it as a fully automatic mechanism, i.e. part of bot reconnector. 1939897;1570130902;asciilifeform;if diana_coman et al know how to turn this algo into one suitable for automatic operation, i'ma take off my hat, and write it. 1939898;1570130949;diana_coman;asciilifeform: no, I don't think it can safely be fully automatic or not at this stage at least. 1939899;1570130960;*;asciilifeform agrees 1939900;1570131103;asciilifeform;re 'b may be longest because it heard N+1st line before others' is entirely valid point btw. 1939901;1570131138;asciilifeform;if someone speaks while this algo is carried out, correct result can ~not~ be guaranteed. 1939902;1570131218;asciilifeform;it is given strictly as a mechanized version of the thing we do presently when a bot falls. 1939903;1570131341;diana_coman;aha; and as such, it should ask for operator confirmation before delete + insert 1939904;1570131345;asciilifeform;aha 1939905;1570131349;asciilifeform;absolutely must ask. 1939906;1570131374;asciilifeform;and atm there is no way to weasel out of the work of manually checking the result against yer personal running session. 1939907;1570131457;asciilifeform;( it's the only way to avoid missing a line that was 'in flight' as the proggy ran, elementarily ) 1939908;1570131466;diana_coman;tbh that's the main reason why I didn't reach for "automate it" - because a lot of it still remains manual; it's more this multiple-chan the trouble perhaps than anything else. 1939909;1570131485;diana_coman;anyway, I'll read & try if you publish it 1939910;1570131486;asciilifeform;diana_coman: even if only had 1 chan, same fundamental problems apply. 1939911;1570131505;asciilifeform;( aside from the timestamp thing ) 1939912;1570131540;diana_coman;asciilifeform: I meant that multiple-chan is the part where automation wins here; otherwise retrieving the lines + drop/insert is anyway semi-automated at best for the above reasons. 1939913;1570131600;asciilifeform;atm the hand-operated sync only feels practical because there is very little traffic in most of the chans. if all 6 were burning hot 24/7 , could take many hrs of frustrated cranking to actually sync'em all. 1939914;1570131661;asciilifeform;incidentally, lobbes seems to have made a 7th ? 1939915;1570131686;asciilifeform;lobbes do you want it logged by the orchestra ? 1939916;1570131794;*;asciilifeform must go to meat, bbl 1939917;1570132052;diana_coman;asciilifeform: true re very little traffic in most chans as only reason why one can still sync manually, yes. 1939918;1570132941;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939858 << hm, that channel is/was intended to serve as my cvasi-castle. Registered it some time ago and copied the naming format ala "#trilema-mod6" 1939919;1570132942;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-03 19:43:07 asciilifeform: lobbes do you want it logged by the orchestra ? 1939920;1570132946;lobbes;however, I'm considering simply registering a "#lobbes" in its stead. However, haven't yet gotten to it due to the need to go through the rigmarole of registering it with fleanode, setting all my bots to +o, etc. 1939921;1570132970;*;lobbes may just bite the bullet and do this tonight, actually 1939922;1570133059;lobbes;once I make that switch, I would not mind it being logged if folx are willing to log it 1939923;1570135909;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/10/dutch-bulletproof-host-down-eurocops-plea-mirai-botnet/ << Qntra -- Dutch "Bulletproof" Host Down, EuroCops Plea "Mirai Botnet" 1939924;1570138785;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2019/10/dutch-bulletproof-host-down-eurocops-plea-mirai-botnet/#comment-142060 ftr. 1939925;1570138826;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: ty 1939926;1570139213;asciilifeform;lobbes: i dun have any problem w/ including your castle ( is it properly proclaimed castle via mp yet ? btw ? ) -- tho may have to fiddle w/ the htmlism so all 7 actually fit in the header . lemme know when yer ready to deed a signed copy of the archival log for it, to be eaten. 1939927;1570139289;asciilifeform;sumthing clever ~will~ have to be done w/ the header , 7 might even fit right nao, but 8 defo won't.. 1939928;1570139323;asciilifeform;even the 6, i found will spill on some very small screens 1939929;1570140664;asciilifeform;lobbes: #lobbes is imho preferable to the other. (seems to be the de-facto standard presently) 1939930;1570140701;asciilifeform;lobbes: if you want to emphasize that it's a mp-endorsed castle, put the deed in the chan subjline like in #a. 1939931;1570145878;lobbes;asciilifeform: yea, I think I'ma gonna register a new channel with fleanode (#lobbes). As such, no need for archive import (there wasn't much in the old one either save for testing of various things). I'll let you know once it is live 1939932;1570145894;lobbes;still ain't a mp-endorsed castle either. I figure that time may come one day, but that time isn't now as far as I can tell. 1939933;1570148397;trinque;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1937851 << so here's an idea. suppose you could define a ttl on your voice tokens, i.e. "worx until block x". then folks could pile them up for travels. 1939934;1570148397;lobbesbot;trinque: Sent 8 hours and 47 minutes ago: do you think you can get ben to reappear for long enuff to properly appoint tbf successor ? cuz imho a heavy bag o'coin attached to a beheaded tbf is unseemly and the orig charter offers no gc mechanism for it 1939935;1570148398;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 08:36:01 mircea_popescu: who else wants travel keys tehn ? 1939936;1570148429;trinque;asciilifeform: yeah, I'll ask him about it. 1939937;1570148436;asciilifeform;ty trinque ! 1939938;1570148446;trinque;mod6: have you sent him anything re ^ 1939939;1570148481;*;trinque eating rest of logs 1939940;1570148959;trinque;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1938022 << if you're hardening against the unreliability of freenode, why use freenode as your sync transport? 1939941;1570148960;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 20:02:13 asciilifeform: was thinking re how oughta do auto-syncs. one possible method, is for bot to take command via pm, e.g. !q sync 1000 http://logs.ossasepia.com ; would then walk last N (here, 1000) ln, and offer 'identical', 'diverges prior', or 'diverges at I', I is index, and offer alignment, operator (set in config who) can then confirm or reject 1939942;1570149080;asciilifeform;trinque: actually i have a draft ready to review 1939943;1570149084;asciilifeform;will post in coupla min 1939944;1570149119;trinque;deedbot also has logs, just not surfaced. I'd be interested in reading. 1939945;1570149128;trinque;(every line it ever saw is in db) 1939946;1570149325;asciilifeform;trinque, diana_coman , et al : [http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=VNUi][draft!!!] of semi-auto sync mechanism. is only ~demo~, it cannot write to a db, only proposes changes. 1939947;1570149401;asciilifeform;there is yet no eater for these outputs (tho will not be difficult to write, i suspect) 1939948;1570149506;asciilifeform;^ implements [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939819][algo discussed earlier today with diana_coman] . 1939949;1570149506;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-03 16:06:25 asciilifeform: diana_coman: aite. proposed algo , is a manually-triggered item that 1) takes a 'breakage point', i.e. last known correctly logged line represented by tuple [chan, index] . 2) finds its timestamp 3) drops errything in db postdating said timestamp 4) walks list of peer loggers, fetches for each enabled chan, errything from last-known-idx i to i+500 5) 4 is repeated until returns <500 6) then takes the ~longest~ s 1939950;1570149541;asciilifeform;absolutely NOT ready for battlefield, requires tests (using eyes and hands.) 1939951;1570149582;asciilifeform;i considered to make it shit out edible sql dump; but then realized that i have nfi how to guarantee sanity re uniturdism in these. 1939952;1570149646;asciilifeform;instead picked a reasonable format where 'DEL;chan;idx;' proposes the removal of a line; 'ADD;chan;...' (with ... as in traditional raw dumps currently) proposes an import ; and # signifies comment until newline. 1939953;1570149684;asciilifeform;output seems to behave correctly in re uniturds but this again needs careful test. 1939954;1570149717;asciilifeform;output also contains comments to show where begin blocks of proposed discards ; where -- imports (and from what peer, to what chan.) 1939955;1570149745;asciilifeform;to stdio is written the progress of loads from peers (incl. how many lines of 'tail' obtained from each.) 1939956;1570149787;asciilifeform;if two peers offer the same length of tail, the peer with the higher priority (indicated by order of mention in config) is chosen. 1939957;1570149829;asciilifeform;no attempt is yet made to determine if two peers offer same tail (they will differ, guaranteed, in timestamps, but ought not elsewise. but this is not touched yet.) 1939958;1570149870;asciilifeform;( a 'tail', if this is not clear from thread, refers to a set of lines offered by a given peer for a given chan from a particular starting index, to the present time. ) 1939959;1570149940;asciilifeform;folx having a few spare min and a logotron staging box, are invited to experiment (oughta be safe even on a production box, this proggy does not write to db.) 1939960;1570150004;asciilifeform;this is all that asciilifeform presently has to say on the subj. 1939961;1570150037;asciilifeform;nitpicks, barfologies, welcome. i'ma bbl:meat. 1939962;1570150080;lobbes;asciilifeform: neato, I will give it some testing this weekend 1939963;1570150616;lobbes;about to switch over ericbot to new patch; about 30 seconds of downtime 1939964;1570150679;lobbes;!e version 1939965;1570150680;ericbot;I am bot version 597604. 1939966;1570150733;lobbes;alrighty, http://logs.ericbenevides.com/ are current with the other two stan-loggers in terms of version 1939967;1570150890;lobbes;asciilifeform, diana_coman I also have #lobbes registered with fleanode and live. Feel free to include in your loggers if you want. No archives to snarf really 1939968;1570151492;trinque;^ was not able to connect to uy1 until just now 1939969;1570151510;trinque;outage of approx 2-3min 1939970;1570151803;asciilifeform;piz pipe outage!!! 1939971;1570151954;asciilifeform;outage apparently over, but, annoyingly, bvt's patched bot did NOT correctly detect the disconnect. 1939972;1570151959;asciilifeform;i'ma have to reset it manually & sync, brb 1939973;1570152056;asciilifeform;aaand there it goes again 1939974;1570152074;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i'ma ask that you put a flame to the necessary arse tomorrow 1939975;1570152269;asciilifeform;... still dead. longest one yet 1939976;1570152288;mod6;trinque: no, I haven't spoken to him about that. 1939977;1570152377;asciilifeform;i find it mighty 'coincidence'(tm) that for year+ we get 24/7 pipe, and then put a logger and nao dulap-I treatment. 1939978;1570152439;feedbot;http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/10/stan-logotron-lobbessig-list/ << lobbesblog -- Stan Logotron: lobbes.sig list 1939979;1570152518;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo there's gotta be a human in there, day or night, give him a ring 1939980;1570152595;*;asciilifeform will bbl in ~1h, if pipe is standing will sync logs, until then errybody to diana_coman's 1939981;1570152746;mod6;wb 1939982;1570152946;asciilifeform;well, alive, & synced 1939983;1570152959;mod6;nice 1939984;1570153036;*;asciilifeform genuinely bbl 1939985;1570153043;mod6;kk 1939986;1570153867;BingoBoingo;Datacenter has been contacted. Going to visit the rack. 1939987;1570153892;trinque;sorry for the gagged deedbot meanwhile; that outage caught me in the middle of a multi-channel experiment 1939988;1570154101;asciilifeform;aand dead again, just as i was syncing.. 1939989;1570154582;asciilifeform;cycled bot, synced. i suspect this circus will continue after i goto bed tho. 1939990;1570154659;asciilifeform;unrelated (or is it? ) diana_coman what do you think happened here : http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939877 << >> http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939877 ? 1939991;1570154659;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-03 21:21:59 lobbesbot: trinque: Sent 8 hours and 47 minutes ago: do you think you can get ben to reappear for long enuff to properly appoint tbf successor ? cuz imho a heavy bag o'coin attached to a beheaded tbf is unseemly and the orig charter offers no gc mechanism for it 1939992;1570154659;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-03 21:06:09 snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-25 08:36:01 mircea_popescu: who else wants travel keys tehn ? 1939993;1570154702;asciilifeform;these actually display as same line in readers 1939994;1570154801;asciilifeform;that is, when selected from the page 1939995;1570154816;asciilifeform;aah, nm, ordering variance. 1939996;1570154824;asciilifeform;annoying but already known. 1939997;1570154913;asciilifeform;all chans synced. as of just nao. 1939998;1570154919;*;asciilifeform bbl:meat 1939999;1570155501;lobbes;asciilifeform: for when circus festivities end, [http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/10/stan-logotron-lobbessig-list/][I have three sigs for the three latest patches to the logotron] 1940000;1570155554;*;lobbes also bbl 1940001;1570158386;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: They're wrestling with international carrier. Will let you know when there's news. 1940002;1570159775;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: seems alive atm 1940003;1570159785;asciilifeform;lobbes i'ma mirror your sigs when i wake up 1940004;1570159853;asciilifeform;meanwhile in the analogue room -- asciilifeform already found a logical boojum in [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939889][sync demo] -- will not fetch tails for chans where nuffin was proposed to drop. ( easy to fix, but i've not enuff wake-hours atm to do it just nao ) 1940005;1570159853;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-03 21:21:37 asciilifeform: trinque, diana_coman , et al : [http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=VNUi][draft!!!] of semi-auto sync mechanism. is only ~demo~, it cannot write to a db, only proposes changes. 1940006;1570159902;asciilifeform;!q uptime 1940007;1570159902;snsabot;asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 0d 1h 29m 1940008;1570160051;asciilifeform;further re syncer -- it oughta warn if logic proposes a non-empty drop set but peers fail to offer fill which covers at least it. 1940009;1570160090;asciilifeform;when wake up, may find other omissions. 1940010;1570160124;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The complaint is still escalated with emphasis on the pipe not having been near this unstable in the past 1940011;1570160144;asciilifeform;ty BingoBoingo , broadcast the barf as it comes in 1940012;1570160153;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile in local news, meat https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/el-mercado-ganadero-se-recalienta-y-el-novillo-especial-llego-a-un-record-de-us-4-15-2019103221458 1940013;1570160269;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: ftr none of the pipe deaths so far have been long enuff to murder my 24/7 shell. but still annoying in re bot. 1940014;1570160307;asciilifeform;fleanode will reliably throw if 1+min of 0packet. 1940015;1570160373;asciilifeform;come to think of it, the syncer oughta have a timeout , for when a peer is in connectivity limbo 1940016;1570160420;*;asciilifeform expects that 'adult' synctron will be nearly as complicated as the logger per se... 1940017;1570160612;*;asciilifeform bbl:meat refuel. 1940018;1570172188;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939794 << this is a problem ; probably the best solution's some kind of receivership. 1940019;1570172188;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-03 12:18:34 asciilifeform: !Qlater tell trinque do you think you can get ben to reappear for long enuff to properly appoint tbf successor ? cuz imho a heavy bag o'coin attached to a beheaded tbf is unseemly and the orig charter offers no gc mechanism for it 1940020;1570172206;mp_en_viaje;on the flimsy grounds that worked ok last we tried it, if naught else. 1940021;1570172278;mp_en_viaje;not even a matter of "want the job". we've nobody even remotely capable of running such a thing, thereby the job is "accrete more people, especially non-male, non-engineer, non-maleengineer-retarded types" 1940022;1570172426;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939803 << ahahahaha ok this is fucken perfect. 1940023;1570172427;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-03 12:33:01 asciilifeform: asks again, 'boy...' finally boy takes off helmet and utters : 'sir, i fess up, i dun know these things, cuz i aint a REAL WELDER!!!' 1940024;1570172441;mp_en_viaje;yes, precisely as in story -- the subject of self-delusion AND HIM ONLY goes about the world "under spell" of "the spell". 1940025;1570172525;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939804 << by now year is 1800++, turks failed to conquer vienna but succeeded in becoming even more polite than the vienese. 1940026;1570172525;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-03 12:42:18 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939730 << i thought turks mainly picked up youngest-sons for the yenicheri corps 1940027;1570172588;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939806 << are you kidding me, vlach chicks a++ grade, very in demand. 1940028;1570172589;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-03 12:42:53 asciilifeform: ( and chix, but from designated breeding grounds which afaik at no pt included wallachia & co ) 1940029;1570172669;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939807 << i beleive the ~self-petrification~ they invented on the basis of their understanding of saintly behaviours virtues and outcomes is discussed in the logs somewhere. 1940030;1570172669;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-03 12:46:59 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939710 << funnily enuff, the crypto-christians left behind in jp after missionaries expelled, mutated into such a bizarre fork chain that modern church does not recognize'em as anyffin at all ( they mutter unrecognizable chants , which at some pt in 17th c were latin , from phonetic crib sheets to this day... but elsewise resemble 'insular buddhist sect' very cl 1940031;1570172970;diana_coman;meanwhile an [http://thimbron.com/2019/10/wip-irc-takeover-initial-findings/][initial look at irc networks] suggests they might be ~all about as lively as a corpse really; but anyways, oftc, undernet, espernet and dalnet seem to have made it to the top to be contacted in the coming days. 1940032;1570173167;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939815 << how's this for a proposedly "better" algo : 1. syncer is given target T ; 2 sincer loads tip of T (as the whole day page, DP), compares to its own record ; 3. if comparison results in any difference, syncer produces list L in the format of #count, own line, T line and moves to 4. which consists of repeating algo for DP-1. 1940033;1570173167;mp_en_viaje;then once this is done syncer spits out paste consisting of aggregate L in response to command given in 1, and accepts as response a succession of bits (0, 1) telling it which to take where. 1940034;1570173167;mp_en_viaje;in this manner all-1 operator response will result in the behaviour you specced ; and anything else will result in finer control (at the obvious added cost of bothering to paste a buncha 1's in a paste). 1940035;1570173168;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-03 15:55:27 asciilifeform: folx w/ mathematical inclinations, invited to comment re [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-03#1004466][auto-sync algo described in #o] . 1940036;1570173169;mp_en_viaje;imo is better because at least creates ~a record~ of the type of problems we're solving which not only might spark refinements downstream, but will also constiute a phenomenologically blessed test set for any such refinements, permitting ~RATIONAL~ acception or rejection if/when it comes to. 1940037;1570173203;mp_en_viaje;this is not usually given enough thought (in the sense of, any, for the scope of "free and open" shitsource) -- but the most important part of software development is the construction of the rational basis of merge decisions. 1940038;1570173282;mp_en_viaje;the rms/ers/retardsonwheels brushing it under the rug, "oh, you'll know when you see it" is probably the chief idiocy ensuring their loud, miserable, [http://trilema.com/2016/gawker-media-group-gmg-vs-arbeitsgemeinschaft-versuchsreaktor-avr/][pollutant-ladden] failure. 1940039;1570173307;mp_en_viaje;pro-environment ecologically-minded left, amirite, in all times and places the principal producer of pollution in this world. 1940040;1570173323;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, excellent news! 1940041;1570173535;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939818 << i agree with this, make the index loglines if your whole thing is trying to order sets of lines by cardinal. 1940042;1570173536;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-03 16:06:23 diana_coman: asciilifeform: why use timestamps rather than log lines number though? I don't get how is that better at all; ie give syncer "last known ok line", should drop anything with id > that for the chan; then import everything with id > that from the reference 1940043;1570173566;*;mp_en_viaje is not necessarily convinced that this is important or necessarily a goal ; but seens nothing wrong whatsoever with the attempt as such and has no objection to helping. 1940044;1570173747;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939824 << b specifically may be "the one girl with the one pubic hair with one crabs egg on it" sorta item, as it seems to carry the capacity to bring the whole system to criticality. 1940045;1570173748;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-03 16:08:48 asciilifeform: so, to complete the picture, this algo is guaranteed to work correctly if a) one of the peers actually contains the complete log segment for time T .. present b) no one speaks in the interval while it operates c) the timestamp T correctly represents the cutoff 1940046;1570173936;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939856 << you will notice that the whole echafaudage is specifically design to keep the world-elements at a low roar. if everything ran hot 24/7 i'd be seen in corner sharpening axe for imminent beheadings of misbehaving lords that failed to produce castles or w/e it is they failed to do -- in any case the situation's failure. 1940047;1570173937;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-03 16:26:11 asciilifeform: atm the hand-operated sync only feels practical because there is very little traffic in most of the chans. if all 6 were burning hot 24/7 , could take many hrs of frustrated cranking to actually sync'em all. 1940048;1570174064;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939858 << lol no, you should ask him if i gave him a فرمان 1940049;1570174065;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-03 16:27:36 asciilifeform: lobbes do you want it logged by the orchestra ? 1940050;1570174086;mp_en_viaje;if you don't put any teeth behind the whole thing it'll collapse into chaos. 1940051;1570174222;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939865 << lol no, you're supposed to ask for one of those deed things 1940052;1570174223;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-03 16:50:29 lobbes: once I make that switch, I would not mind it being logged if folx are willing to log it 1940053;1570174299;mp_en_viaje;wut is all this awkwarding anyways! 1940054;1570174329;mp_en_viaje;you have the "awkward"ness cutter, fucken use it, wtf are you trying to recreate esltard existence ? 1940055;1570174454;mp_en_viaje;"oh let's go to lunch" "okay..." "where'd you like to go ?" "oh i dunno... anywhere i guess" "is steak'n'sheak okay?" "oh i dunno... shall we ask sarah too?" holy shit enough. 1940056;1570174551;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939870 << so add the first however many fit by last-updated in there, and permit "hacked" url notation anyway. eg right now "trilema" as listed links http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema ; but http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/xxx works in any case, whether it's listed or not, so all's good. 1940057;1570174551;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-03 18:34:20 asciilifeform: sumthing clever ~will~ have to be done w/ the header , 7 might even fit right nao, but 8 defo won't.. 1940058;1570174617;mp_en_viaje;alternatively, charge a fee for listing, by adding a small "be here" link, leading to a page, explaining that everyone there is there by ahving paid, and if you pay more than the one who paid least you get the top spot for as long as that lasts. 1940059;1570174631;mp_en_viaje;and list how much the current listed paid you, which'd be as it stands 0. 1940060;1570174696;mp_en_viaje;(this multi-slot auction mechanism as described is actually a lot smarter than maybe realised at first sight, it does exactly what leftards claim capitalism can not do.) 1940061;1570174812;mp_en_viaje;but then again there's a reason they came up with an euphemistic name for their idiocy in the first place. leftards claiming capitalism doesn't work is like oligophrens "preferring to be called" beautiful lip people, pretending speech doesn't work. 1940062;1570175227;mp_en_viaje;one final thing : it's not clear to me exactly if img.inline { margin: 0.5em auto 1em auto; display: block; border: 1px solid black; width: 34em; } is how you opted to specify the header for the logger site. if so, it's dumb for the following reasons : 1. that it's not called anything like that, or even anything arbitrary, but something mechanically-ineptly der 1940063;1570175227;mp_en_viaje;ived from something it very much is not making identification a lot more doubtful than they need to be, it's like nominalist sabotage ; 2. you specify a fixwidth, in FUCKING EMS. wtf, ems are for glyphs, it's like giving your height in delta-pascals. 1940064;1570175322;mp_en_viaje;in any case, it's narrower than the actual log on my screen. imo the " that's why I didn't really bother re cloak because the ip is public anyway << Even the most trivial barrier does something, like prevent lurkbots from harvesting addresses as they connect. 1940180;1570204598;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i doubt any of this has anyffin to do with cheapo lurkbots or any similar 1940181;1570204606;feedbot;http://thetarpit.org/posts/y06/0a5-work-plan-vi.html << The Tar Pit -- Work plan for M10 2019 1940182;1570204661;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I don't see a simpler narrative for why diana_coman's bot went down too. 1940183;1570204727;diana_coman;fwiw, it may well be, sure. 1940184;1570205457;diana_coman;ddos attack seems to be. 1940185;1570206213;asciilifeform;piz pipe still dead. 1940186;1570206243;asciilifeform;( and seems like ddos is only half the problem , the other half is pipe vendor's immunocascade ? ) 1940187;1570206480;diana_coman;moldavians seem to be doing fine so far ie attack still on from what they say but not making it through. 1940188;1570206492;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: through what are you connected ? whole piz house seems to be unplugged 1940189;1570206579;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I am presently connected through not a bouncer 1940190;1570206623;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: what's the plan on latech co's side ? we pay'em and they give us a pretend-pipe ? 1940191;1570206668;asciilifeform;and in turn, piz subscribers are also paying for pretend-boxen ?! 1940192;1570207010;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: "The attacks are moving on the range. It started with .97, then move to .99, then to .200 and so on." This supports lazy attack targeting uncloaked irc connections. 1940193;1570207089;BingoBoingo;The omissions strongly suggest uncloaked IRC connections drew the aggro 1940194;1570207098;asciilifeform;i suppose this could explain what [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-02#1939647][these] are for 1940195;1570207098;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-02 14:08:12 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-02#1939628 << seems to lurk in #a too. perhaps the current enemy spy, i have nfi 1940196;1570207159;BingoBoingo;The cloak is not perfect protection, but it does frustrate the lazy sort of attack we appear to have been struck by 1940197;1570207424;BingoBoingo;I suspect what happened is a long stretch of relatively calm weather got a lot of people complacent on the matter of IRC cloaks. 1940198;1570207509;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i still dun see the matter of 'from where' as settled -- it aint as if the addrs of tmsr www boxen are anyffin but public 1940199;1570207563;diana_coman;BingoBoingo: are you saying that "have a cloak -> no problem" or what exactly? 1940200;1570207605;BingoBoingo;I am saying have cloak, ever so slightly more protected in theory yet substantially more protected in practice 1940201;1570207632;diana_coman;ok but the problem is still there, only ...better hidden, no/ 1940202;1570207663;asciilifeform;it does seem that the box where 'uncloaked' lobbesbot connects from , was on the nuke rotation, whereas e.g. asciilifeform's local pipe -- not 1940203;1570207681;BingoBoingo;Well, now with cloaks attacker HAS to reveal that they are targeting 1940204;1570207685;asciilifeform;this supports BingoBoingo's hypothesis of 'shrapnel addressed to occupant' (vs 'bullet w/ name on it') 1940205;1570207750;asciilifeform;incidentally iirc fleanode only supports cloaks if user connects sslistically. which asciilifeform's bot does not. 1940206;1570207864;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It does appear the SSLism for cloaks is still optional, but a delay needs to be inserted between authentication and joining channels 1940207;1570207884;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: there is already such delay. 1940208;1570207919;asciilifeform;and no, per the docs, not optional, i.e. the naked ip is broadcast ~unless~ you log in 'in one shot' via their ssliquishit. 1940209;1570207978;asciilifeform;see also [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/pizarro/2019-10-04#1000272][this] 1940210;1570207979;ossabot;(pizarro) 2019-10-04 thimbronion: fwiw my bouncer (running on non-pizarro box) was disconnected yesterday, and a few days prior, and although I have a cloak, it does not get applied before bouncer rejoins channels. 1940211;1570208062;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: at the risk of repeating, what's yer plan for getting the pipe back ? 1940212;1570208189;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I trying to start by getting the portions of the range without known, uncloaked IRC bouncers opened up again. From there we continue trying to open things up. 1940213;1570208888;asciilifeform;soo, open all but the actually used boxes , lol ?? 1940214;1570209038;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: We have to start from somewhere 1940215;1570209074;diana_coman;BingoBoingo: asciilifeform eulora server unreachable; my blog idem. 1940216;1570209113;asciilifeform;diana_coman: they're both in piz house neh 1940217;1570209121;asciilifeform;whole thing is offline 1940218;1570209124;asciilifeform;for hr+ nao 1940219;1570209210;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i guess this is an illuminative experiment re the q of what it is we actually get for that ( pretty hefty, quite enuff to keep three bus-fuls of orcs in empanadas erry month ) pipe fee. turns out not 200Mb/s , but 'what we feel like aint too hard' ?? 1940220;1570209221;asciilifeform;what, i wonder, would a '200Mb/s or we-pay-you' cost. 1940221;1570209525;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: We have an asymmetrical pipe. The 200Mb/s is traffic going out of the rack 1940222;1570209558;asciilifeform;even so, if incoming e.g. 50, that 50 oughta consist of a random sampling of the incoming. not 0. 1940223;1570209755;BingoBoingo;It seems to depend on how big the incoming crapflood is and how far upstream they have to go to find a sufficiently wide pipe to cut off the crapflood. 1940224;1570209772;diana_coman;asciilifeform: yes re piz house; I was just noting that those have nothing to do with cloaks and irc at any rate. 1940225;1570209814;asciilifeform;diana_coman: well since latech appears to have in fact pulled our plug, it is no surprise that they're unreachable ~nao~ 1940226;1570209823;asciilifeform;what condition they were in prior to this event, i do not know 1940227;1570209870;diana_coman;o.O they mitigated by unplugging the paying customer, I see. 1940228;1570209882;asciilifeform;diana_coman: indeed they did, i thought it was clear from last hr of #t 1940229;1570209912;*;diana_coman had to follow quite a few things at the same time during this last hr so didn't focus on pizarro specifically. 1940230;1570210021;asciilifeform;diana_coman: seems to be that 'unplug customer' is the only way anybody mitigates ddos. 1940231;1570210043;diana_coman;dunno, moldavians managed to mitigate it sanely without unplugging my logger 1940232;1570210115;asciilifeform;diana_coman: moldavia has advantage of not being on monkey continent and not relying on single pipe to civilization, i suspect 1940233;1570210188;asciilifeform;diana_coman: that being said, i also suspect that yer box is only standing because piz is taking 90% of the fire 1940234;1570210249;diana_coman;asciilifeform: uhm, how does that reasoning go? they fire less at my box because one box or what? anyways, is there at least any concrete communication from piz's data centre re what they are doing otherwise exactly? 1940235;1570210263;asciilifeform;diana_coman: if latech is to be believed, it's a rotating ddos 1940236;1570210288;diana_coman;asciilifeform: ok, but the point here is that moldavians managed to mitigate it while under fire. 1940237;1570210301;diana_coman;not that "oh, so currently not under fire because they are firing at piz" 1940238;1570210305;*;BingoBoingo headed to the rack 1940239;1570210306;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: plox to post the next despatch from latch in cleartext, i see no reason to whisper these 1940240;1570210324;diana_coman;works in #pizarro, I'll go and read 1940241;1570210339;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i expect that before this is through, we'll find out just what tonnage of liquishit the moldavian folx are able to digest 1940242;1570210348;diana_coman;can't hurt either 1940243;1570210511;asciilifeform;mp's www fwiw doesn't seem visibly affected. so prolly not included on the magick list. 1940244;1570210546;asciilifeform;( either that, or simply outlandish margin of spare pipe bought from last time when he ~was~ included ) 1940245;1570210614;asciilifeform;asciilifeform's www ( still parked on ancient heathen hoster atm ) also not visibly dinged. 1940246;1570210655;asciilifeform;does give a little support to the hypothesis that original demasking signal was via irc. 1940247;1570210785;asciilifeform;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940177 << i oughta expand re this. ddos is cheap but not free, if the 1e6 or whatnot winblowz boxen were evenly split to piss into 20 diff addrs, would not amount to much effect. so traditionally rotates, e.g. 3min to 1, then to next, and so on, in circle. 1940248;1570210786;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-04 17:32:32 diana_coman: asciilifeform: uhm, how does that reasoning go? they fire less at my box because one box or what? anyways, is there at least any concrete communication from piz's data centre re what they are doing otherwise exactly? 1940249;1570210903;asciilifeform;incidentally, anyone else think [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939866][this] is not entirely accidentally coinciding with the start of the festivities ? 1940250;1570210903;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-03 17:53:51 feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/10/dutch-bulletproof-host-down-eurocops-plea-mirai-botnet/ << Qntra -- Dutch "Bulletproof" Host Down, EuroCops Plea "Mirai Botnet" 1940251;1570210936;asciilifeform;'свято место пусто не бывает'(tm)(r) 1940252;1570213776;asciilifeform;!!up BingoBoingo 1940253;1570213777;deedbot;BingoBoingo voiced for 30 minutes. 1940254;1570213800;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: ty in the basement on junkyard wars connection 1940255;1570213926;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i thought whole cage were nullrouted ? 1940256;1570213948;BingoBoingo;I have stopped irissi, weechat, and znc services on the shared machine. I am about to request the portion of the IP space not known to be running uncloaked bouncers is restored shortly. 1940257;1570213959;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: This terminal is on a radiomodem atm 1940258;1570213962;asciilifeform;a 1940259;1570213990;mp_en_viaje;so did you folk get a banhammer smack or something ? 1940260;1570214017;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: whole thing in log ( diana_coman's and lobbes's, naturally ), it's reasonably compact 1940261;1570214029;mp_en_viaje;a ok, ima get to it then 1940262;1570214032;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: Got flooded, appears to have been one of the lurkers havesting uncloaked ips and shooting 1940263;1570214035;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: summary : rotating ddos, not even limited to piz 1940264;1570214044;BingoBoingo;brb 1940265;1570214045;mp_en_viaje;oh, that old thing 1940266;1570214063;mp_en_viaje;amusingly, muh thing here unmolested apparently, i got complete scrollback even 1940267;1570214097;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: seems like only folx regularly throwing ips in the log, affected. 1940268;1570214113;mp_en_viaje;im not cloaked am i ?! 1940269;1570214163;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: nope. but iirc you're on a phased array of euro pipes, not individually routable to from outside also eh 1940270;1570214185;mp_en_viaje;um. gotta be routable or else how would interwebs werk 1940271;1570214239;mp_en_viaje;what is this [http://trilema.com/2014/mircea-popescu-is-an-asshole/][halfass cvasi-dos] ffs, i thought we're talking srs bzns 1940272;1570214273;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: it's a small ddos, as they come, but compounded by the hamfistedness of piz upstream. BB is in the cage atm bazaring w/em 1940273;1570214319;*;asciilifeform meanwhile wrote patch for bot to make it actually detect disconnects. is in staging box locally. 1940274;1570214320;mp_en_viaje;i c 1940275;1570214332;mp_en_viaje;aite, ima brb writing article then 1940276;1570215303;asciilifeform;ACHTUNG, panzers! [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3452][logotron tree updated] w/ [http://www.loper-os.org/pub/logotron/detect_disconnect.kv.vpatch][detect_disconnect.kv.vpatch] . << lobbesbot , diana_coman 1940277;1570215353;asciilifeform;tested (by setting absurdly small interval; throws, reconnects, as expected; then by setting 3min -- operates normally, pings typically come erry 45s or so) 1940278;1570215392;asciilifeform;if deploying, make sure to see readme & example config re knob. 1940279;1570215436;*;asciilifeform would deploy nao, if had a working box to deploy to... 1940280;1570215498;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: you had some a++ q's re syncism etc, but i'ma answer'em after piz not on fire . 1940281;1570215512;mp_en_viaje;no roosh. 1940282;1570215516;asciilifeform;aite. 1940283;1570215531;diana_coman;asciilifeform: thanks, I'll have a look; fwiw so far bvt's fix actually worked well for ossabot 1940284;1570215557;asciilifeform;diana_coman: the old one worx a++ on 'organic' i.e. fleanode-initiated disconnects. but sadly not on pipe death 1940285;1570215581;diana_coman;it did reconnect properly the times when it just lost connection; hm, the log I saw for when unreachable, it was trying to connect 1940286;1570215599;asciilifeform;diana_coman: the new one simply demands that ~something~ come down the pipe erry disc_t seconds. recc'd value 180 . 1940287;1570215625;asciilifeform;(at the very least, when live conn, will have pingism from fleanoad erry ~45s ) 1940288;1570215645;asciilifeform;and yes bvt's reconnector worx a++. 1940289;1570215651;asciilifeform;tested just nao w/ this item. 1940290;1570215708;asciilifeform;i noticed last night that on none of the piz outages did the thing actually realize it's dead. hence this patch. 1940291;1570216030;asciilifeform;'To disable forced disconnects, set disc_t to zero' is wrong btw. will give actual off switch on next patch. 1940292;1570216085;*;asciilifeform has internal policy of not regrinding a patch for mistakes in comments; folx oughta read the actual proggy before connecting to live missiles 1940293;1570216706;asciilifeform;ftr i did not put this in genesis because naively supposed that ordinary workings of tcp will in fact throw a connection if the pipe were to unplug. but apparently this aint so 1940294;1570217155;mp_en_viaje;oh, your logger's down huh. 1940295;1570217182;asciilifeform;indeed 1940296;1570217191;asciilifeform;along with errything else in that cage. 1940297;1570217219;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939920 << i don't get it, what is the coincidence ? 1940298;1570217219;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-03 22:28:19 asciilifeform: i find it mighty 'coincidence'(tm) that for year+ we get 24/7 pipe, and then put a logger and nao dulap-I treatment. 1940299;1570217231;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, cool, hanbot was gonna write an article lmao. 1940300;1570217349;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940091 <<->> http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940092 those be some pretty lulzy timestamps then 1940301;1570217349;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-04 11:59:44 diana_coman: all 3 loggers seem synced atm; ossabot is back too, though still waiting to find out wtf happened exactly. 1940302;1570217349;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-04 11:35:37 asciilifeform: piz pipe down !! 1940303;1570217976;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: timestamps (both current & historic) are all over the place. cuz clocks are shite. 1940304;1570218000;asciilifeform;( and to add insult to injury, when importing logs externally, the peer's times are eaten ) 1940305;1570218249;mp_en_viaje;keks 1940306;1570218319;asciilifeform;given how pc clock worx, and the existence of multiple loggers, timestamps in log are somewhere between 'mildly informative' and 'screamingly useless' imho 1940307;1570218402;asciilifeform;when i wrote 1st draft of logotron, i initially made mistake where lines were displayed in order of timestamp. even very old logs became an adventure in wtf upon reading 1940308;1570218503;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940139 << it's not altogether clear what is here meant by "attack". 1940309;1570218503;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-04 13:41:24 BingoBoingo: The cloak is not perfect protection, but it does frustrate the lazy sort of attack we appear to have been struck by 1940310;1570218550;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: it's described further downlog -- appears to be the traditional rotating ddos 1940311;1570218550;mp_en_viaje;i was under the impression you're buying dedicated pipe. 1940312;1570218567;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: per the letter of the contract, we are.. 1940313;1570218567;*;mp_en_viaje continues reading 1940314;1570218650;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940146 << wut ? 1940315;1570218651;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-04 13:50:07 BingoBoingo: Well, now with cloaks attacker HAS to reveal that they are targeting 1940316;1570218698;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940148 << not afaik the case, mircea_popescu never used ssl. though that may be a grandfathering thing, dunno 1940317;1570218699;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-04 13:51:15 asciilifeform: incidentally iirc fleanode only supports cloaks if user connects sslistically. which asciilifeform's bot does not. 1940318;1570218752;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: possibly grandfathered. when asciilifeform experimented w/ no-sslism connect via own (cloakistic) nick, ended up w/ displayed ip. 1940319;1570218778;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940155 << it's very fucking weird to me, all this "trying" and "attacks" and nonsense. did ~you~ ask them to null route your ips is the idea ? 1940320;1570218778;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-04 13:58:34 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I trying to start by getting the portions of the range without known, uncloaked IRC bouncers opened up again. From there we continue trying to open things up. 1940321;1570218807;bvt;asciilifeform: on the non-logging bot.py i used for testing my vpatch, i got pings from freenode only every ~140 seconds -- not 30-45 definitely 1940322;1570218808;asciilifeform;lol why would BingoBoingo ask for such thing 1940323;1570218818;mp_en_viaje;well then wtf. 1940324;1570218832;asciilifeform;bvt: 180 appears to work (tested for coupla hrs) but may need empirical test. 1940325;1570218834;mp_en_viaje;anyways, in trying to evaluate... duration... i look at http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940161 and wonder... how long since this "nao" ? 1940326;1570218834;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-04 14:14:09 asciilifeform: for hr+ nao 1940327;1570218865;mp_en_viaje;ie was about 4 hours ago ? 1940328;1570218917;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: 10:48 new york time . 1940329;1570218926;asciilifeform;per asciilifeform's local scroller. 1940330;1570218952;bvt;well yes, 180 > 140; also freenode declares clients dead after ~250 secs of silence, so 180 should work 1940331;1570218953;mp_en_viaje;it's like 4pm now, so 6 hours ? 1940332;1570218961;asciilifeform;indeed! 1940333;1570218974;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo are you alive in there ?! 1940334;1570218974;mp_en_viaje;haha, your "isp" was offline for 6 hours because "attacks" ?! 1940335;1570219051;asciilifeform;the idjicy of the upstream piper seems to weigh 9000x what 'attack' weighed. 1940336;1570219057;mp_en_viaje;the problem here'd be that there's only four quarters in each day and with barely thirty days in a month, your uptime comes to... two nines, o rmore precisely 119/120 1940337;1570219109;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/can-you-imagine-what-a-panorama-fartd-be/ << Trilema -- Can you imagine what a Panorama Fart'd be ?! 1940338;1570219123;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940166 << but there's so far no numbers, just epithets. what "big" ? "attacks" is not big. 1940339;1570219123;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-04 14:24:41 BingoBoingo: It seems to depend on how big the incoming crapflood is and how far upstream they have to go to find a sufficiently wide pipe to cut off the crapflood. 1940340;1570219210;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: indeed. i'm relying on BB to get some fucknig answers (and the pipe, forfuxxsake) 1940341;1570219218;mp_en_viaje;o wb BingoBoingo 1940342;1570219224;*;asciilifeform brb 10min,teatime 1940343;1570219248;mp_en_viaje;did you actually get hit with some kind of notable something or wth happened ? 1940344;1570219263;*;mp_en_viaje keeps diligently reading, and will continue, but so far can't say gleaned much from the exercise. 1940345;1570219317;mp_en_viaje;so far the only constructions seems to be "gringos started asking questions about our shitty uptime, let's nullroute their boxes for a day or so and see". 1940346;1570219330;mp_en_viaje;to which the only possible response would be "hasta la vista, tardsteins" 1940347;1570219483;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940176 << was this "fire" presented in any sense ? do you have a packed dump, anything ? 1940348;1570219483;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-04 14:31:54 asciilifeform: diana_coman: that being said, i also suspect that yer box is only standing because piz is taking 90% of the fire 1940349;1570219495;BingoBoingo;I just got off the phone, the are working on getting the upstream to remove the block. Should call back in half an hour. 1940350;1570219517;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940178 << this does not actually mean anything. "as far as the doctors can tell it's humoral imbalance". wut ? 1940351;1570219518;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-04 14:33:09 asciilifeform: diana_coman: if latech is to be believed, it's a rotating ddos 1940352;1570219538;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, who is this upstream i don't get it ? are we not actually renting space from a dc ? 1940353;1570219549;mp_en_viaje;or is the theory that THE WHOLE DC got cut off, supposedly ? 1940354;1570219591;*;mp_en_viaje flicked through the news, no "uruguay offline as result of '''rotating dos''' " items caught my eye. 1940355;1570219600;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: They say this happened with their international carrier. 1940356;1570219635;BingoBoingo;Their description makes it sound like the whole datacenter was disrupted by the DDoS 1940357;1570219655;mp_en_viaje;http://www.latechco.com/en/data-center.html << 404 of all things 1940358;1570219706;BingoBoingo;http://www.latechco.com/index.php/en/data-center.html loads 1940359;1570219707;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, what's the asn for this dc anyways ? 1940360;1570219720;mp_en_viaje;they don't seem to have the sense to put it on the page 1940361;1570219738;mp_en_viaje;52241 ? 1940362;1570219836;mp_en_viaje;https://www.robtex.com/as/as52241.html#asnr << not that greatly peered, basically antel. 1940363;1570219853;BingoBoingo;AS61442 1940364;1570219887;mp_en_viaje;o ? 1940365;1570219928;mp_en_viaje;https://www.robtex.com/as/as61442.html << same story, minus the (~worthless) claro peerage. 1940366;1570219930;BingoBoingo;Outside the WTC "Free Zone" their official registered Uruguay corp goes by PASWER INTERNATIONAL S.A. 1940367;1570219984;mp_en_viaje;okay, so basically the most favourable idea is uruguay's state monopoly nulled your ips block for you 1940368;1570220339;asciilifeform;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940295 << the sea cable doesn't literally terminate in our cage, sadly 1940369;1570220340;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-04 20:07:21 mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, who is this upstream i don't get it ? are we not actually renting space from a dc ? 1940370;1570220444;BingoBoingo;I'm feeling rather sore. http://btcbase.org/log/2019-10-04#1940367 << The other grating idea is they nulled the block at Latecho's request 1940371;1570220444;a111;Logged on 2019-10-04 20:13 mp_en_viaje: okay, so basically the most favourable idea is uruguay's state monopoly nulled your ips block for you 1940372;1570220454;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: any word from these ? even so much as a timetable for getting the service we're paying for ? 1940373;1570220465;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: phf's logger dun echo. plox to use diana_coman's or lobbesbot 1940374;1570220487;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940186 << i dunno there's any basis for this dreamy alt-logic. 1940375;1570220487;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-04 14:37:17 asciilifeform: mp's www fwiw doesn't seem visibly affected. so prolly not included on the magick list. 1940376;1570220529;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: plox to share the 'undreamy' straight-logic then ? 1940377;1570220535;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, in all honesty, so far i can't in the slightest distinguish the spew from the alleged dc from the spew of "virtual server, fiddy bux" provider. 1940378;1570220574;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo: any word from these ? even so much as a timetable for getting the service we're paying for ? << Their estimate to call back was half and hour issued 16 minutes before the question 1940379;1570220579;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, the fact that trilema doesn't really suffer from "rotating ddos" aka, some dork with a wp list &c, is that trilema is an adult service, rather than a flavour of above mentioned, "virtual server, fiddy bux" 1940380;1570220630;mp_en_viaje;otherwise, there's a script kiddy / week or thereabouts, coming to nigh on a thousand by now. 1940381;1570220660;mp_en_viaje;eg, last when i pissed on [http://trilema.com/2019/what-amused-me-last-night-selected-romanian-ruralia/][the rotards' collected heads]. 1940382;1570220697;mp_en_viaje;they don't mention this, of course, "haha, we're fucked in the head, so loser, totally stupid, tried to ddos trilema but it did not werk, we will now give up everything and dedicate remainder of lives to glorification of this our superior" 1940383;1570220739;mp_en_viaje;but nevertheless, the logs, i have. which is kinda the distinguishing factor between man and child in this sense. if real ddos, there's packet captures. if derpitude, there's words. 1940384;1570220784;*;asciilifeform had just about same [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940162][observation] as in above, but currently at a loss for actionable idea short of buying a trawler and laying own fibers 1940385;1570220785;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-04 17:15:13 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i guess this is an illuminative experiment re the q of what it is we actually get for that ( pretty hefty, quite enuff to keep three bus-fuls of orcs in empanadas erry month ) pipe fee. turns out not 200Mb/s , but 'what we feel like aint too hard' ?? 1940386;1570220814;mp_en_viaje;speaking of which, hanbot check out this fucktard : https://tmblog.ro/rahatul-pe-care-l-consumam/#comment-1213 1940387;1570220818;mp_en_viaje;HE STILL DIDN:T GET IT. 1940388;1570220954;mp_en_viaje;actually, i guess it's lulzyrelevant. the "Eh, dar dacă pun un articol cu o țâță, cu o bucă, cu o tipă îmbrăcată sumar sau, cum a fost ultimul, cu 2 tipe plimbate în lesă prin oraș…pac, 10.000 de vizite în primele 3 ore, de m-au sunat oamenii de la firma de hosting că ce se întâmplă, că le pun serverele în cap!" passage roughly translates to a) obscure idiotic blog organised by the remnants of [http:// 1940389;1570220954;mp_en_viaje;trilema.com/2009/progresam-maria-ta/][obscure idiots from timisoara] "had 10`000 visits in the first three hours" on meta-piece discussing muh whores (which he doesn't realise YET, such an informed moron he is), and the dc called him because of SERVERS (plural). 1940390;1570220964;mp_en_viaje;such delightful fictive world like one could never invent. 1940391;1570221125;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940190 << look, the sort of shit here discussed is https://www.bootyou.net/ sorta ~nothing. if it actually does put you on the fritz, and the hoster starts whining about "attacks" and whatnot, you just need a real hoster. 1940392;1570221125;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-04 14:41:51 asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940177 << i oughta expand re this. ddos is cheap but not free, if the 1e6 or whatnot winblowz boxen were evenly split to piss into 20 diff addrs, would not amount to much effect. so traditionally rotates, e.g. 3min to 1, then to next, and so on, in circle. 1940393;1570221125;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-04 17:32:32 diana_coman: asciilifeform: uhm, how does that reasoning go? they fire less at my box because one box or what? anyways, is there at least any concrete communication from piz's data centre re what they are doing otherwise exactly? 1940394;1570221149;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: couldja share what it was you said to the latech derps ? cuz i'm getting the impression that you left'em with impression that it is somehow acceptable to nullrout a paying customer's ip block. 1940395;1570221243;BingoBoingo;I'm going to draft an inquiry for the business side contact asking what can be done to keep routine internet weather from incurring a reaction far more destructive than the weather. Will post for review before issuing. In the latest news from the tech team http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=QSzj 1940396;1570221314;mp_en_viaje;they are working with isp huh. aite. 1940397;1570221340;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i've had the suspicion since august that these people are overselling their bw. 1940398;1570221342;mp_en_viaje;in other minutia, since i'm using diana_coman 's logviewer i notice that ancient behaviour of, if you click on a link on the page page is reloaded came back. asciilifeform 's viewer does not do this for some reason. 1940399;1570221369;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: artifact of browser possibly ? 1940400;1570221387;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, so far thing doesn't seem all that kosher. i dunno wtf sense this makes, but a sit down with them will hafta happen cuz obviously pizarro's dead in the water like this 1940401;1570221396;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, possibly. why would it behave differently tho 1940402;1570221443;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: heavy page, low mem ? cannot say, but doubt that it is connected to which logotron ( diana_coman's box is running same item as mine was when went down ) 1940403;1570221466;mp_en_viaje;can't be exactly same wtf ?! 1940404;1570221480;mp_en_viaje;yours does not reload the page on clicking a link ; hers does 1940405;1570221488;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: does lobbes's same ? 1940406;1570221495;*;mp_en_viaje looks 1940407;1570221531;mp_en_viaje;um... doesn't seem to load. is this affected by pizarro ? 1940408;1570221549;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: lobbes's ? loads here. ( not housed in piz ) 1940409;1570221570;mp_en_viaje;test 1940410;1570221579;mp_en_viaje;does not reload page. 1940411;1570221600;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: not only mp_en_viaje has point, and yer gonna have to talk w/ latech , but is high time to find out what other dc exists in that orcistan, lt's can't be the only 1 ( if it were, would be dangerously close shave in itself, to be had over a barrel ) 1940412;1570221621;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, there's a state monopoly on data transfer. can't have meaningfully diff dcs. 1940413;1570221625;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i've yet to witness this oddity, where page reloads when link clicked 1940414;1570221627;mp_en_viaje;not from this pov at any rate. 1940415;1570221653;mp_en_viaje;test 1940416;1570221656;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: this may be, but asciilifeform does not yet know on what level of the idjit pyramid took place this particular idjicy. 1940417;1570221685;mp_en_viaje;hm... apparently diana_coman 's doesn't either. i guess i must've caught self in own fingers somehow 1940418;1570221761;mp_en_viaje;aite well... i guess ima bdsm partay nao. best of luck to the beached galley crew! 1940419;1570221765;*;asciilifeform had similar wtf coupla yrs ago, ended up tracing it to bug in the oddball ~keyboard~ controller he was using 1940420;1570221770;asciilifeform;why ty mp_en_viaje . 1940421;1570221913;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I intend to pointedly ask what other carriers might be more responsive. 1940422;1570221933;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: see mp_en_viaje's point above. i suspect he's right 1940423;1570221965;asciilifeform;( evidently somewhere do exist 'serious adult' carriers, i.e. where mp_en_viaje parks his box. but for some reason he sent BingoBoingo to uy, and not to there ) 1940424;1570222037;BingoBoingo;I still have to ask what other carriers are available. 1940425;1570222061;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: btw still waiting for call ? 1940426;1570222089;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Recieved http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=QSzj instead of call 1940427;1570222124;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: keep the heat on the arse. 1940428;1570222213;asciilifeform;dulap was reachable for <1min lol 1940429;1570222526;asciilifeform;... still dead 1940430;1570222774;BingoBoingo;Most of Pizarro is back. Now we have to figure out how to bring 2 Rockchips and dulap back without them autoconnecting to Freenode cloakless 1940431;1570222788;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: dulap aint autoconnecting. still has old bot. 1940432;1570222830;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Aite 1940433;1570222843;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: is it unplugged atm , or wat ? 1940434;1570222851;asciilifeform;was up for <1min then dead again 1940435;1570222863;asciilifeform;e.g. qntra loads 1940436;1570222876;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: it's still nullrouted atm, will poke them. 1940437;1570222916;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: listen, the whole 'oh but uncloaked' thing is ridiculous. what, this is isp that falls down when a sparrow farts on it ?! 1940438;1570222947;asciilifeform;what will happen when 7 sparrows fart ? 1940439;1570222993;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: There are 2 problems here. 1. ISP falls over 2. Uncloaked bouncer means sophisticated attacker can masquerade as lazy sparrow farting attacker 1940440;1570223034;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i aint about to use sslism. 1940441;1570223128;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Per their docs it should work without sslism per http://archive.is/dm0Z0#selection-181.30-191.59 1940442;1570223180;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: this is how the current bot logs in. however it dun work with cloaks (except apparently for old accts, e.g. mp's) 1940443;1570223253;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: you do understand that even if your idea re 'it's a irc ddos bot' is factual , it aint any kind of solution to ddos ? 1940444;1570223449;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i would also like to find a solution that is cheaper than 'switch continents' . but 'cloak bots and pray to satan that enemy doesn't realize that he already knows the piz ip range' aint any kind of solution !! at all 1940445;1570223470;BingoBoingo;There doesn't seem to be any non-Gossip protocol solution to DDoS. As far as I can cleave the problems right now Latcho/Antel's inept handling of DDoS is one problem. Denying cheap cover to DDoS'r is other problem. 1940446;1570223482;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje somehow solves, neh 1940447;1570223521;asciilifeform;it is difficult to argue with his example. his box -- stays up. 1940448;1570223690;BingoBoingo;I suspect 1. blip in Pizarro network causes big batch of IRC reconnects, 2. Pretext to walk IPs emerges, hitting ips from /join messages during window 1940449;1570223702;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: can you drive through the thick heads that 'getting ddos' aint a violation of the service terms, and that the fuckers are obligated to provide service, on whatever level available ?! what is this nullrouting bullshit anyway? 1940450;1570223775;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I'm working on putting together a draft for that. Before I send it, I will paste it in channel because I would like serious feedback to make sure I am putting the right questions and pressure on them. 1940451;1570223785;asciilifeform;if qntra loads, dulap should be reachable, basta 1940452;1570223798;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: aite, will read 1940453;1570223939;asciilifeform;http://thewhet.net appears to load. hanbot can write that article nao... 1940454;1570224099;BingoBoingo;!Q later tell billymg You seem to have a naked bouncer running on your Rockchip. Let me know how you want to move forward with getting the machine back online. 1940455;1570224099;lobbesbot;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded. 1940456;1570224108;BingoBoingo;!Q later tell lobbes You seem to have a naked bouncer running on your Rockchip. Let me know how you want to move forward with getting the machine back online. 1940457;1570224108;lobbesbot;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded. 1940458;1570224577;asciilifeform;baitbot (~baitbot@pool-108-31-170-3.washdc.fios.verizon.net) has joined #trilema << asciilifeform requests fire on own position!!1 1940459;1570224662;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i'm starting to suspect that your theory re irc bots dun hold water 1940460;1570224678;asciilifeform;asciilifeform oughta be drowning in liquishit just about nao, neh 1940461;1570224765;asciilifeform;hrm, lemme put it in all the usual chans & reset. 1940462;1570224800;asciilifeform;there. 1940463;1570224900;asciilifeform;0 flood. 1940464;1570224948;asciilifeform;so BingoBoingo , can put that hypothesis to rest finally ? 1940465;1570225024;BingoBoingo;We can put to rest the idea that was done in a completely automated way corresponding cleanly to joins 1940466;1570225041;*;asciilifeform groans 1940467;1570225103;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: is dulap the last 1 left in the cold ? what's the obstacle to gettin' it plugge in atm ? 1940468;1570225166;asciilifeform;e.g. http://ossasepia.com loads.. 1940469;1570225170;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Duplap and three Rockchips including mine are left in the cold atm. 1940470;1570225200;asciilifeform;what's the answr to the 2nd half ? 1940471;1570225226;BingoBoingo;I keep playing this fucking game of telephone with Latecho/Antel 1940472;1570225276;asciilifeform;i'ma take a walk an' come back. 1940473;1570225340;*;BingoBoingo going to keep compiling the pointed questions 1940474;1570229519;BingoBoingo;http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=MHHw << Here is a draft of what I have so far to send. asciilifeform mp_en_viaje I would like your input. Please let me know if anything is missing. 1940475;1570229638;BingoBoingo;I also just received http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=4nFG "We can have a call next Monday, if that is OK with your schedule. We think that a firewall will help you with this type of problems." 1940476;1570231567;*;lobbes coming live from a fresh ZNC install on another box... goes to catch up on logs 1940477;1570232286;asciilifeform;omfgholufuq the idiocy. what 'firewall' . the only ddos problem we have is THEM!! 1940478;1570232307;mp_en_viaje;what's a firewall gonna do in this context ?! 1940479;1570232313;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it's ok-ish but what's prominently missing is PLUG DULAP BAKC IN OMFG 1940480;1570232317;mp_en_viaje;was their concern that your boxes were catching on fire ? 1940481;1570232447;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940398 << this would be auctionbot. I dun presently have a cloak for it, so feel free to just kill the process (it is running in sbcl) and that should prevent any naked joins. I can move bot to a non-piz box in the interim 1940482;1570232447;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-04 21:23:32 BingoBoingo: !Q later tell lobbes You seem to have a naked bouncer running on your Rockchip. Let me know how you want to move forward with getting the machine back online. 1940483;1570232509;asciilifeform;lobbes: the cloaks thing is 100% red herring, i have a deliberate bait [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-10-04#1000622][running for 2+h nao] naked, and 0 floods 1940484;1570232510;ericbot;(asciilifeform) 2019-10-04 baitbot: asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 0d 2h 8m 1940485;1570232528;asciilifeform;it's sitting in all 6 chans, too 1940486;1570232744;lobbes;asciilifeform, heh I saw. Though I'm just a customer; I'll respect BB's wishes if he wants to ban naked joins for the time being 1940487;1570232745;lobbes;in any case, no live auctions atm. I can let it sit for a minute 1940488;1570232805;lobbes;in other lulz, my VPS that hosted the old #e logs is finally back up; [http://logs.minigame.biz/2019-10-04.log.html][connectolade city] 1940489;1570232838;BingoBoingo; what's a firewall gonna do in this context ?! << I have no idea wtf a firewall is supposed to do against an inbound DDoS 1940490;1570232948;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: erry letter to latech, starting with this 1, oughta start with equiv of 'NO NULLROUTE FOR ANY REASON' omfgalready 1940491;1570233016;BingoBoingo;http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=maNq << Second draft reflecting the receipt of the offer for a firewall phone call 1940492;1570233052;asciilifeform;ffs BingoBoingo . does that looklike a 'NO NULLROUTES' and 'PLUG IT THE FUCK BACK IN' to you ? 1940493;1570233067;asciilifeform;that last para should be 1st. 1940494;1570233314;BingoBoingo;Take 3 http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=kojY 1940495;1570233369;asciilifeform;much better. 1940496;1570233449;asciilifeform;unless mp_en_viaje contributes an idea for moar bite, let's send this. 1940497;1570233597;asciilifeform;this was ( and continues, dulap still dead ) a maddeningly sovokesque experience, where we pay vendor for fish 'that's what they don't have at the fish counter' but short of borrowing mp_en_viaje's freighter and laying own fiber i can't presently think of a final solution to it 1940498;1570233704;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: and we'll have to credit subscribers for the lost time. with substantial adjustment. 1940499;1570233774;asciilifeform;i've had industrial pipes cut out for whole biz day on acct of backhoe. but this aint a backhoe, backhoes make some sorta sense. this dun make sense. 1940500;1570233998;mp_en_viaje;Oscar helpfully shared graphs showing particular IP addresses being hit << were these in here and i missed ? 1940501;1570234014;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: ^ can haz these plox ? 1940502;1570234022;mp_en_viaje;wtf is "apparently hostile", what gave the appearance ? was it the coloring ? something else ? 1940503;1570234025;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: I did not post the graphs yet, will post 1940504;1570234470;BingoBoingo;http://pizarroisp.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/image1.png and http://pizarroisp.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/image2.png 1940505;1570234512;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: in what units is the vertical in the 1st pic ? 1940506;1570234527;BingoBoingo;Sarcasm with respect to the graph's utility may have been a bit too subtle 1940507;1570234580;asciilifeform;2nd pic dun look like any kinda ddos at all, simply saturated incoming pipe, happens erry single time anyone uploads a coupla GB of db dump or whatnot 1940508;1570234657;asciilifeform;presently i suspect that we would not have even ~noticed~ this nonsense if they hadn't unplugged 1940509;1570234675;BingoBoingo;I have no idea what te vertical represents 1940510;1570234810;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: didja send that reply or still waiting for sumthing ? 1940511;1570234817;*;asciilifeform has to go eat soon 1940512;1570234847;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I fired it off 1940513;1570234852;asciilifeform;aite 1940514;1570234878;asciilifeform;ftr this is longest dulap outage since dulap-I was blackbagged. 1940515;1570234969;*;asciilifeform goes to eat, bbl. 1940516;1570235327;mp_en_viaje;so basically, 20mbps sustained over... looks like 10 minutes or so = too much ? 1940517;1570235445;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, if you're gonna send as is anyway, why the fyuck am i reading it 1940518;1570235465;mp_en_viaje;the reason i asked about the graphs was because, eg, "Oscar helpfully shared graphs showing particular IP addresses being hit with substantial, apparently hostile incoming traffic with targeted at a few IPs in the IP range." is entirely false. 1940519;1570235486;mp_en_viaje;not helpful, not showing, not subsyantial, not apparently or otherwise hostile. 1940520;1570235505;mp_en_viaje;"I would like to know what options are available going forward" is about 500 words too many for the simple concept of 1940521;1570235515;mp_en_viaje;"either you get your shit together or i move on, pick exactly one." 1940522;1570235557;mp_en_viaje;3. What carriers run fiber to the datacenter? I would like to know what all the connectivity options available are. << dawg ffs, i showed you them. 1940523;1570235893;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: Thank you. I am wondering if there's any questions I missed short of going straight to http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940463 1940524;1570235893;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-04 21:34:03 mp_en_viaje: "either you get your shit together or i move on, pick exactly one." 1940525;1570236244;mp_en_viaje;nevermind questions. 1. i am stuck with customers correctly pointing out that my uptime this month will ~maybe~ reach two nines. it'll be a wonder if this outage doesn't put me entirely out of business. 2. do you have any actual substantial anything to point to, because brandishing about "hostile" and "attack" and etcetera empty wordage isn't doing anything for me. in particular 20mbps for a few minutes doesn't even register 1940526;1570236244;mp_en_viaje; on any kind of radar, i feel like an idiot showing people a trival example of a saturated pipe and pretending like they should be impressed. 1940527;1570236244;mp_en_viaje;so far the situation here is that you stumbled on the cable and took half a day to plug it back in. got anything that can actually move us past this ? 1940528;1570236288;mp_en_viaje;problem is that after you sent the previous yokel text, there's nothing that you can say to deyokel self. 1940529;1570236294;mp_en_viaje;kinda the wisdom of not doing that. 1940530;1570236786;BingoBoingo;Thank you. I guess I'm going to have to do the only things I can right now. 1. eat some food 2. Take a walk, etc and try to have burned more calories in activity today than stress 3. Go to sleep sober 1940531;1570237127;mp_en_viaje;sounds like a plan. 1940532;1570237149;mp_en_viaje;it's not like ~you~ did it , you know. take it easy. 1940533;1570237184;*;mp_en_viaje personally has no intention of pulling the plug over diana_coman 's inability to do smg work today because of this for instance ; 1940534;1570237215;mp_en_viaje;but you also can't continue in this vein, what, whenever random internet dork sends half a quarter of an eight gbps your way you're croaked for the evening ? tis ridoinculous. 1940535;1570238379;feedbot;http://thewhet.net/2019/10/wednesday-in-wien/ << The Whet -- Wednesday in Wien 1940536;1570238728;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, i suppose the next step is to go through the list of ixps see where you can sit. 1940537;1570238935;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940365 << i don't even recall now how uy was picked. must've been a lsit and some sorta process 1940538;1570238936;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-04 17:48:11 asciilifeform: ( evidently somewhere do exist 'serious adult' carriers, i.e. where mp_en_viaje parks his box. but for some reason he sent BingoBoingo to uy, and not to there ) 1940539;1570239430;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: Criteria 1 was no nato, russia, or china. Asia sucked and charged incredibly for international conenctivity. Africa is Africa. Inside Latam the options with independently owned datacenters were Brasil and Uruguay. Brasil's paperwork culture appeared even more soviet than Uruguay's with additional visa/residency hoops. 1940540;1570239786;BingoBoingo;Some insane criteria lead Amazon to announce a future Argentine datacenter this week https://archive.is/s0809 1940541;1570239941;*;BingoBoingo hasn't given thought to an alternate universe where Cambodians respond to commercial inquiries in at least a year 1940542;1570240251;BingoBoingo;A number of Hong Kong operations ended up appearing to be the same operation, while another's major branding was hosted software for the Chinese laundry industry. 1940543;1570241539;*;asciilifeform back at console, where dulap still not reachable; eats log 1940544;1570241763;asciilifeform;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940478 << it's been 2+y since the last dig. there's gotta be ~something~ resembling competition, at the level below the orcish national thing. ( fwiw the dc routing cabinet was a glass item and there were defo several groups of panels in it, hanging off what seems like physically distinct fibers to street ) 1940545;1570241764;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-05 01:27:12 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i suppose the next step is to go through the list of ixps see where you can sit. 1940546;1570241848;asciilifeform;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940481 << the basic headache with these seems to be that to distinguish sane from batshit pipe provider requires to bake a BingoBoingo , populate a rack, and run for yr+ 1940547;1570241848;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-05 01:38:54 BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Criteria 1 was no nato, russia, or china. Asia sucked and charged incredibly for international conenctivity. Africa is Africa. Inside Latam the options with independently owned datacenters were Brasil and Uruguay. Brasil's paperwork culture appeared even more soviet than Uruguay's with additional visa/residency hoops. 1940548;1570241976;asciilifeform;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940483 << iirc last go around BingoBoingo found that asia has laffably narrow pipe to rest of planet. ( which makes a sort of sense, when's the last time you reached for a www on a vietnamese box ? chinese ? ) 1940549;1570241977;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-05 01:47:24 BingoBoingo: hasn't given thought to an alternate universe where Cambodians respond to commercial inquiries in at least a year 1940550;1570242058;*;BingoBoingo as he waits a few more minutes for the rain to stop before taking a walk anyway feels he has to interject that at least Cambodia's Soviet wears a uniform advertising his Sovietness 1940551;1570242089;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: outta curiosity, didja in fact discover that a dc exists in cambodia ?! 1940552;1570242135;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: In the second scrubbing of Asia, they advertised datacenters turned out to be NTT, an international thing 1940553;1570242142;asciilifeform;aa, these. 1940554;1570242175;BingoBoingo;Not Equinix, but indistinguishable to my eyes 1940555;1570242245;BingoBoingo;And doesn't change their lack of response to inquiries 1940556;1570242268;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: imho we oughta try e.g. 2nd pipe, before airlift to ambodia. cheaper. 1940557;1570242272;asciilifeform;*cambodia 1940558;1570242621;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: back in '17 when dulap-I crater was still smoking , asciilifeform wanted to try ro . but mp_en_viaje said that it was poor site, and i'm inclined to think that he had good reason to say this. 1940559;1570242769;BingoBoingo;Only one site in Serbia responded to the initial solicitation and failed to follow up 1940560;1570242772;*;asciilifeform bungled the expedition and still owes mp_en_viaje coin 1940561;1570242862;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: ro was to at least host the fiatola-interface end of the affair (rather than machines) at that pt. 1940562;1570242905;*;BingoBoingo suspects Montevideo has forever spoiled BingoBoingo on the http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-27#1938739 axis 1940563;1570242905;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-27 19:53:18 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-26#1938406 << in positive news, this is possibly the best thing for a human. each year with >500 miles on the odometer under age 50 adds 6 months of ~mobile~ life after age 70. 1940564;1570242923;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: eh, that's in erry orcistan 1940565;1570242942;asciilifeform;usa is the 1 place where folx go around in motorized fatchairs errywhere 1940566;1570242981;*;asciilifeform walked coupla 100 km in timis & bucharest , in wtf 1940652;1570265353;mp_en_viaje;a, no. tarantino in my mouth strictly means pre kill bill. 1940653;1570265383;diana_coman;I'll have to watch some of that then. 1940654;1570265442;diana_coman;but you see, there is precisely that, basically what you call post kill-bill tarantino -> tarkovsky and it's dubious that such thing happens if really "totally the opposite" 1940655;1570265445;mp_en_viaje;no, see on my credit pulp fiction, true romance, both jackie brown and foxy brown (in this order) 1940656;1570265454;mp_en_viaje;then present the bill. 1940657;1570265473;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, to me it seems ~guaranteed~ to happen if truly "exactly opposite" 1940658;1570265484;mp_en_viaje;but yes, post kill bill tarantino === tarkovsky. 1940659;1570265500;diana_coman;really? next you'll become a woman because exactly opposite or what? 1940660;1570265505;mp_en_viaje;"he had it, he lost it, he never got it back". attempts to "intelectual" himself by the breeches, doesn't lift. 1940661;1570265515;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, how is a woman exactly oppposite ?! 1940662;1570265520;diana_coman;hm; will have to watch to see. 1940663;1570265535;mp_en_viaje;i have a lot more in common wit ha woman than with most other things. 1940664;1570265576;diana_coman;uhm, opposite is same thing, different sign, no? 1940665;1570265586;diana_coman;not "nothing in common with" 1940666;1570265614;mp_en_viaje;well, are you proposing that "owning three ducks" and "having borrowed three ducks that you have to repay" have "three ducks" in common ?! 1940667;1570265665;diana_coman;I don't see it; owning is the opposite of not owning; in as much as borrowing is not owning, there's the opposite; ducks don't enter into it 1940668;1570265678;mp_en_viaje;i use the set-theory basis for "opposite", yes. two subsets of a set are opposite if they have no shared elements. i'm not entirely sure how to construct an algebraic notion of "opposite" that's not immediate nonsense. 1940669;1570265714;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: ah, I see; I can work with the set-theory, just not the one I directly reach for when "opposite" 1940670;1570265734;diana_coman;because to me no shared elements means simply distinct, not opposite 1940671;1570265734;mp_en_viaje;but saying -3 and +3 "have 3 in common" directly leads to nonsense. 1940672;1570265748;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: they have the axis in common, not the value 1940673;1570265756;mp_en_viaje;but the axis they do not have. 1940674;1570265760;diana_coman;ie they represent the same sort of thing 1940675;1570265763;mp_en_viaje;axis pre-exists them, not theirs. 1940676;1570265771;diana_coman;-3 on an axis is the opposite of +3 on the same axis 1940677;1570265774;diana_coman;not of any +3 1940678;1570265784;mp_en_viaje;same thing as in, "they're both numbers" ? 1940679;1570265801;diana_coman;no; they are both measures of x coordinate 1940680;1570265812;diana_coman;or of y or of z or of *something* that is same though 1940681;1570265819;mp_en_viaje;i see the difference now. 1940682;1570265891;mp_en_viaje;your notion is exactly my notion, "subset of same set" translates as "they're the same thing" as in, "measures of x coord". then you emphasize giving the symmetry point, where i couldn't care less. and BECAUSE your notion of opposite requires a given symmetry point, then therefore your notion of "what the set may be" is limited thereby, so it'll be things like "measures of coordinates" or such narrow things. whereas my set i 1940683;1570265892;mp_en_viaje;s always "the universe" 1940684;1570265942;mp_en_viaje;as far as i'm concerned, any two subsets of the universe that have no shared points are in principle opposite, and the symmetry point is to be established through conversation if interesting. 1940685;1570266026;mp_en_viaje;though in general conversation rather circles the shared points problem, because obviously two subsets of the universe will have ~some~ shared points in ~some~ view. but then the invalidation of the view becomes the point, constructing discourse. because obviously man must pick some views. 1940686;1570266128;diana_coman;I can see it; there's no limitation due to axes, it's n-dimensional space so infinity of axes 1940687;1570266167;diana_coman;but you are right in that indeed, any distinct sets are effectively opposite with the symmetry point somewhere in between 1940688;1570266191;mp_en_viaje;or at least could be, or could come to be, or be said to be or etcetera. very greek-like approach to the problem. 1940689;1570266244;diana_coman;I suppose my limitation/narrower viewpoint might come at times from not really granting everything the infinite set of axes, yes; on looking at it, there's no reason to limit it upfront like this, no. 1940690;1570266257;mp_en_viaje;well, probably expedient most of the time 1940691;1570266264;diana_coman;certainly. 1940692;1570266782;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940517 << this is reasonable. maybe once outage is actually resolved, forward them something like "look, this is how much i settled on my customers for outage costing, 50% discount on your bw price for next month will very much help". let them feel the burn of their own idiocy in their pocket. if they pay, okay, if not they clearly intend to continue in the same vein so what 1940693;1570266782;mp_en_viaje;possible use could they be ? 1940694;1570266782;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-04 23:47:17 asciilifeform: imho the smart thing to do is to exhaust erry possible avenue for making working silk purse from the existing sow's ear before spinning globe. 1940695;1570266812;mp_en_viaje;but this isn't the kind of thing were they may be permitted to walk away without bringing money from home. 1940696;1570267332;mp_en_viaje;judging by http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940527 | http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940531 you managed it in negatgive time, ridin' on a tachyon beam 1940697;1570267332;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-05 00:01:54 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: nighty 1940698;1570267332;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-05 01:30:10 asciilifeform: all chans synced (was 1st class bitch, 100% bare teeth) 1940699;1570267349;mp_en_viaje;ah no, i just misread. 1940700;1570267436;mp_en_viaje;meanwhikle in random trilema, [http://trilema.com/2011/avem-mema-si-avem-sare/][bread with kalash in the background] 1940701;1570267816;mp_en_viaje;http://thetarpit.org/posts/y06/0a5-work-plan-vi.html << if you care for w43 suggestions, the one [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2018-10-31#1868072][most painfully outstanding] mp-wp item is the multi-image uploader. 1940702;1570267816;ossabot;Logged on 2018-10-31 19:16:55 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-31#1867924 << ikr, multi-upload has been on the wishlist for mp-wp ever since... hey hanbot how long's it been now ? 1940703;1570283724;diana_coman;hanbot you need to turn off that comment-pagination thing on your blog as it's messing up your recent comments links e.g. http://thewhet.net/2013/09/your-feelings-are-out-to-get-you/comment-page-2/#comment-55392 1940704;1570289338;asciilifeform;!q uptime 1940705;1570289339;snsabot;asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 0d 11h 1m 1940706;1570289407;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940545 << will buy this 1940707;1570289407;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-05 04:49:08 mp_en_viaje: this is a judgment much akin to, "look, in your locale enel spa is the energy provider, monopoly by law, you're buying energy from them" "i'd have to look for my contract" "no, actually, you don't have to. i can tell you from ten thousand miles away, on this basis" 1940708;1570289543;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940547 << needs several things, e.g. locking cage, clean bw, sane upstream, reasonably habitable locale, a BingoBoingo to inhabit it, a userbase that adds up to > the cost of operation... 1940709;1570289543;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-05 04:51:37 mp_en_viaje: if indeed the observations are that 1. "non-nato" is meaningless, contemporary fucktard mindset is socialism anyways everywhere ; AND 2. the true problem for republican isp is actually clean bw, which "datacenters" fail to provide, 1940710;1570289586;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940548 << afaik these are closer in cost to 'lay own oceanic fiber' than to current item 1940711;1570289586;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-05 04:55:19 mp_en_viaje: THEN the correct move is towards an ixp. there's thousands of these (eg [https://www.bc.net/service-catalogue/transit-exchange][bcnet]-operated VTE). 1940712;1570289643;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940564 << always wanted to see vienna. and budapest. ( and 'not on a tank, like grandfathers' !11 ) but dun expect to ever afford it 1940713;1570289643;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-05 05:18:07 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940507 << you should actually see vienna. all i used to know about how "things are" from my days in olde yurp, 100% confirmed, just as i was starting to doubt. 1940714;1570289643;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-04 23:37:49 asciilifeform: usa is the 1 place where folx go around in motorized fatchairs errywhere 1940715;1570289672;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940567 << vodka. 1940716;1570289672;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-05 05:22:08 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940510 << problem is we did have one such, and he decided the best thing to do to himself is be as utterly stupid as possible. i very much suspect the actual driver behind http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2018-07-04#1831652 mystery is the fucking air, or something, makes the locals subtly suicidal. 1940717;1570289672;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-04 23:41:49 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: re ru -- also looked into. has certain problems (planet's most fascist customs; and chinese-style 'national firewall' among'em) but dunno how relevant in practice, a local with good social engineering acumen could prolly finesse, to some degree. (problem is that we aint got one such) 1940718;1570289672;ossabot;Logged on 2018-07-04 12:23:48 mircea_popescu: it makes a very in interesting point re "cultural wars" and "rock and roll killed the soviet union", namely, that cca 1950 the su was winning the cultural war, very much so, the larger of the "allies", the most accomplished, sending dogs in space and building the new frontier 1940719;1570289723;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940572 << dunno that anyone's at risk of moving there. it's a maybe 9 of 10 on difficulty level. 1940720;1570289724;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-05 05:23:04 mp_en_viaje: atm i dunno i'd trust anyone from russia or recommend anyone move there. the one time this happened it blowed up in such a sickly manner, i absolutely don't want to spend the significant resources involved in dealing with the clean-up. as far as anyone knows, moscow's bogon-radioactive 1940721;1570289795;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940634 << incidentally BingoBoingo is outage 100% over ? dulap is connected, anyone still out ? 1940722;1570289795;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-05 05:59:20 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940517 << this is reasonable. maybe once outage is actually resolved, forward them something like "look, this is how much i settled on my customers for outage costing, 50% discount on your bw price for next month will very much help". let them feel the burn of their own idiocy in their pocket. if they pay, okay, if not they clearly intend to continue in the same ve 1940723;1570289795;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-04 23:47:17 asciilifeform: imho the smart thing to do is to exhaust erry possible avenue for making working silk purse from the existing sow's ear before spinning globe. 1940724;1570289858;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940637 << this is reasonable but will point out that we dun have a spare uruguay , a spare BingoBoingo , or budget to start from 0 with a new cosmonaut. 1940725;1570289859;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-05 05:59:50 mp_en_viaje: but this isn't the kind of thing were they may be permitted to walk away without bringing money from home. 1940726;1570289917;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940638 << was aboutta rage re timestamps but nope, they're correct. at least in that segment. 1940727;1570289917;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-05 06:08:31 mp_en_viaje: judging by http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940527 | http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940531 you managed it in negatgive time, ridin' on a tachyon beam 1940728;1570289918;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-05 00:01:54 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: nighty 1940729;1570289918;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-05 01:30:10 asciilifeform: all chans synced (was 1st class bitch, 100% bare teeth) 1940730;1570290152;asciilifeform;meanwhile, a bot that autosyncs. but needs moar test. 1940731;1570290169;asciilifeform;(defo not fit for battlefield yet) 1940732;1570290232;*;asciilifeform bbl:meat systems. 1940733;1570290320;BingoBoingo; http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940634 << incidentally BingoBoingo is outage 100% over ? dulap is connected, anyone still out ? << Two Rockchips, sent the order to open the pipe to them few minutes ago. 1940734;1570290321;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-05 05:59:20 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940517 << this is reasonable. maybe once outage is actually resolved, forward them something like "look, this is how much i settled on my customers for outage costing, 50% discount on your bw price for next month will very much help". let them feel the burn of their own idiocy in their pocket. if they pay, okay, if not they clearly intend to continue in the same ve 1940735;1570290321;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-04 23:47:17 asciilifeform: imho the smart thing to do is to exhaust erry possible avenue for making working silk purse from the existing sow's ear before spinning globe. 1940736;1570293768;*;mp_en_viaje waves 1940737;1570293991;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940652 << they don't necessarily cost anything, peering is called that because free. they MAY costr something uf you're small, but guaranteed less per terabit than anythingelse. 1940738;1570293992;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-05 12:35:17 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940548 << afaik these are closer in cost to 'lay own oceanic fiber' than to current item 1940739;1570293992;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-05 04:55:19 mp_en_viaje: THEN the correct move is towards an ixp. there's thousands of these (eg [https://www.bc.net/service-catalogue/transit-exchange][bcnet]-operated VTE). 1940740;1570294052;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: do you know where is freenode's "won't federate answer"? I can't seem to find it at all; there's the initial talk in #freenode and then [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/eulora/2017-10-01#965007][follow up in #eulora] but nothing after that 1940741;1570294052;snsabot;(eulora) 2017-10-01 mircea_popescu: kline this presupposes all people are equal. this isn't much regarded in the republican ideology. properly speaking someone worth 1mn speaking one line in ngins is more than a thousand worth 10bux each speaking a line each in same nginx. 1940742;1570294095;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, i offered them a server back in 2011 ; and then throughout cca 2014. they never took me up on it, and eventually sold out to usg agency 1940743;1570294190;diana_coman;k, thanks. 1940744;1570294216;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940666 << this is sad, but unrelated. you drop the hand when you establish it can't win, not when you decide you "can afford to lose" your imaginary share of the value of the pot. 1940745;1570294216;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-05 12:39:49 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940637 << this is reasonable but will point out that we dun have a spare uruguay , a spare BingoBoingo , or budget to start from 0 with a new cosmonaut. 1940746;1570294217;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-05 05:59:50 mp_en_viaje: but this isn't the kind of thing were they may be permitted to walk away without bringing money from home. 1940747;1570294347;mp_en_viaje;the end result of "null-routed ip space for half a day whenever someone decides to spend 10 bux on '''ddos'''" is reproducible via 50 dubaloos/month in hand of any rando nobody/[http://trilema.com/2015/internoc24-llc-aka-internoc24com-is-a-scam-or-how-milan-dragan-slatjovic-stole-700-euro-from-me/][scammer] off sitepoint forums ; no need to buy whole c blocks if they just null-route by the c-block like inconceivably cheeky b 1940748;1570294347;mp_en_viaje;astards ; no need to pretend like you buy bw by the four digit dubaloos/mo and all that. 1940749;1570294384;mp_en_viaje;who the fuck even heard of this, you have a whole block, they nulled the whole block ? it's cheekiness beyond any measure of cheek 1940750;1570294602;mp_en_viaje;without actual packet captures, showing convincingly significant flood on EACH INDIVIDUAL IP, there's no way they're walking out of paying for the damage, and it'd better come with apologies at that. 1940751;1570294694;BingoBoingo;And the last two IPs are released, much faster than before. I am going to arrange a sit down with Latecho folks next week. 1940752;1570294713;mp_en_viaje;aite. 1940753;1570294821;mp_en_viaje;hanbot_abroad, you know i changed my mind, bring the camera over 1940754;1570294835;hanbot_abroad;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940645 << thanks, oughta be fixed. first time i've had enough comments to notice, i think! :D 1940755;1570294835;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-05 10:41:44 diana_coman: hanbot you need to turn off that comment-pagination thing on your blog as it's messing up your recent comments links e.g. http://thewhet.net/2013/09/your-feelings-are-out-to-get-you/comment-page-2/#comment-55392 1940756;1570294842;hanbot_abroad;mp_en_viaje kk 1940757;1570295124;billymg;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940396 << ty BingoBoingo for restored service! 1940758;1570295124;lobbesbot;billymg: Sent 19 hours and 43 minutes ago: You seem to have a naked bouncer running on your Rockchip. Let me know how you want to move forward with getting the machine back online. 1940759;1570295124;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-04 18:23:45 BingoBoingo: !Q later tell billymg You seem to have a naked bouncer running on your Rockchip. Let me know how you want to move forward with getting the machine back online. 1940760;1570295125;lobbesbot;billymg: Sent 17 hours and 1 minute ago: Please send my an SSH public key. I will set up an account on the shared server for you from which you can access your Rockchip 1940761;1570295177;BingoBoingo;billymg: ty for your patience, but please temper your thanks to me. So far I handled this clumsily. 1940762;1570295184;billymg;ah, i missed the second message about a key for a shared server, is that still needed? 1940763;1570295194;BingoBoingo;billymg: It is not. 1940764;1570295314;billymg;no worries, i was keeping up with the logs during the whole episode. seems quite unfortunate that even the datacenter hosting piz suffers from http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940547 but i certainly don't put this on you 1940765;1570295314;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-05 05:07:28 mp_en_viaje: if indeed the observations are that 1. "non-nato" is meaningless, contemporary fucktard mindset is socialism anyways everywhere ; AND 2. the true problem for republican isp is actually clean bw, which "datacenters" fail to provide, 1940766;1570295314;*;BingoBoingo has been trying to think of ways to generate value in Uruguay outside of ISP'ing. Beyond getting land and some champion merino or Angus genetics... Mebbe marching locals nude through various plazas for the cameras on the road to producing art has potential. 1940767;1570295380;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, you pretty much would rather stay than move ? 1940768;1570295462;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: I'm giving the matter a think. 1940769;1570295546;mp_en_viaje;aite 1940770;1570295940;BingoBoingo;Uruguay isn't without its charms, and it may be time to let another lord the opportunity to claw their way out of the zone. I woke up today with the oddly relaxing freedom that comes from not knowing what the immediate future holds, even if last night I put a good number of kilometers on the odometer in the drizzle loosening the big ball of stress I'd been trapped in. 1940771;1570296205;mp_en_viaje;this is true 1940772;1570296224;mp_en_viaje;there's certainly worse fates than living in uy 1940773;1570296315;BingoBoingo;If another lord wants to step up and try Vienna, Portugal, Minks, etc... I don't know that "Señor (Herr?) Rogier hopped on a plane to a strange land before" should necessarily block someone else from the opportunity. 1940774;1570296606;mp_en_viaje;quiye 1940775;1570296737;BingoBoingo;Trinque's [http://trinque.org/2019/09/02/quetiapine/][recent post] had me reevaluating the dietary situation and adjusting. I'd been taking it for granted Milk is rich in Vitamin D, etc only to discover... The locals throw some folic acid in flour y Ya! After making some dietary adjustments the last few weeks of winter were less "blah" burdened than te preceeding. 1940776;1570297098;BingoBoingo;Of course there's also the chance something works out to extend Pizarro's life in Uruguay, but I'm going to look for some Qntra fodder, maybe put together a blog post, and see what Sunday and then later Monday hold. 1940777;1570297222;mp_en_viaje;alf has a point in that not done ~yet~ 1940778;1570297225;*;BingoBoingo is also a bit curious about what Trishopping involves 1940779;1570297393;BingoBoingo;Not done yet, going to make efforts to save it, but dammit Imma bask in this liberating uncertainty about my future for at least another couple hours. 1940780;1570297649;mp_en_viaje;ha. 1940781;1570297660;mp_en_viaje;well, ima sleep for a coupla hours, much whoring scheduled for sat nite 1940782;1570297670;BingoBoingo;Enjoy 1940783;1570299725;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940693 << it is good to have my blog back. ty BingoBoingo 1940784;1570299726;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-05 16:59:59 BingoBoingo: And the last two IPs are released, much faster than before. I am going to arrange a sit down with Latecho folks next week. 1940785;1570300202;lobbes;BingoBoingo: Do I have the okay to bring an uncloaked auctionbot online? 1940786;1570300234;BingoBoingo;lobbes: Go for it. billymg's return didn't end the world. 1940787;1570300941;lobbes;k 1940788;1570301383;mp_en_viaje;hanbot_abroad, check this out : for f in *.JPG ; do ((cnt++)); convert "$f" -resize 1024 albertina-"$cnt".jpg ; done 1940789;1570301441;lobbes;master of the bash 1940790;1570303318;mp_en_viaje;beats their havng to do it by hand keks 1940791;1570303613;hanbot_abroad;omg ir so obsolete! 1940792;1570303628;hanbot_abroad;excellent news. 1940793;1570303665;mp_en_viaje;270 pics article brewing, tho prolly not tonight. 1940794;1570306606;BingoBoingo;In local news, the local police have been finding [https://archive.is/xBt7d][substantial amounts of cocaine] recently. Very different headlines from not that long ago becoming the norm http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2018-10-05#1858552 1940795;1570306606;snsabot;Logged on 2018-10-05 12:43:43 BingoBoingo: In other local news: drug gang slowly took over public housing complex, used it to "warehouse" trivial quantity of drugs https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/desarticulan-clan-narco-que-tomo-complejo-de-casas-2018104203434 1940796;1570307664;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/10/nato-ally-turkey-to-begin-independent-syria-ops-due-to-usg-unreliability/ << Qntra -- NATO Ally Turkey To Begin Independent Syria Ops Due To USG Unreliability 1940797;1570337314;BingoBoingo;Hitting the same 4 ip addresses 1940798;1570337494;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: two emails in the last ~30 minutes http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=fWlq 1940799;1570337552;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: you know what very well what to answr. 1940800;1570337816;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: apparently the latech folx were dropped as babies, so you may have to draw'em a picture. explaining that if they continue in this vein, and we leave, they will not be paid. 1940801;1570337905;asciilifeform;and dun fughet to mention that they are in breech of contract. 1940802;1570337961;BingoBoingo;I take these as orders to go to sleep and see what the morning holds. 1940803;1570338000;asciilifeform;no. first you send'em a FuCkNO 1940804;1570338009;asciilifeform;wtf srsly 1940805;1570338028;asciilifeform;no. consent. to. ip. blackholes. 1940806;1570338072;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: They received an order not to do that yesterday as you read. 1940807;1570338078;asciilifeform;do i have to draw ~you~ a picture, BingoBoingo ? stop enabling the derps by nodding along 1940808;1570338087;asciilifeform;they'll take silence as nod 1940809;1570338183;BingoBoingo;After how long? 1940810;1570338191;asciilifeform;bot already missing lines. will fix tomorrow, supposing can even connect. 1940811;1570338211;asciilifeform;errybody plox to use the working bots. 1940812;1570338278;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: seems to me that the latech people need regular reinforcement, like rug pissing dog. ( ideally -- shock collar ) 1940813;1570338379;*;asciilifeform with massive headache, goes to lie down 1940814;1570351418;mp_en_viaje;the whole uruguay thing not going all that great, huh. 1940815;1570351585;mp_en_viaje;hm, http://thewhet.net/ loads, http://qntra.net/ loads, http://bingology.net/ doesn't, http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log doesn't... are you two being aggravated over there ? 1940816;1570351789;mp_en_viaje;meanwhile in other news hey lobbes http://blog.ericbenevides.com/2019/10/trilema-lobbes-log-for-2019-10-03/ an' the rest look exactly right 1940817;1570351948;mp_en_viaje;neways, i guess it's high time i edit the "logs" link on trilema sidebar 1940818;1570351985;mp_en_viaje;anyone i'm missing besides http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema an 1940819;1570352053;mp_en_viaje;hmmm hey lobbes : http://www.ericbenevides.com/ ? 1940820;1570352135;mp_en_viaje;ah yes http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log there we go. 1940821;1570356209;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/albertina-hurr/ << Trilema -- Albertina hurr 1940822;1570361728;mp_en_viaje;meanwhile in redditard contemporary fiction, "Havin’ kids is a bitch. It’s like slammin’ the fucking breaks on every hope, dream & aspiration you’ve ever had in your entire life, simultaneously, unless of course you’re like most women and having kids was your only & every hope, dream & aspiration you’ve ever fucking had since the second you came out of the last woman with the exact same original fucking epiphany, 1940823;1570361728;mp_en_viaje; but for A Real Man who intends on being fucking present for his child’s childhood, or someone with a sincere desire to accomplish something truly unique, unlike bringing another 18 year contractual obligation into the world, like say, inventing electricity, writing one of the greatest books in the history of mankind or building an empire from scratch, it’s like hitting a fucking brick wall with your face at a 100 miles 1940824;1570361728;mp_en_viaje;per hour on a fucking bicycle, which could have easily been avoided entirely by simply tapping the brakes, unlike getting a woman pregnant which unfortunately, there are no brakes for, only propellants and accelerants to the tune of jet fuel and C4 and most rational people would opt out of plowing teeth first into cinder block." 1940825;1570361777;mp_en_viaje;apparently every demented fuck, unfit to be a waiter / plumber / whatever servile profession, nevertheless readily gratulates self with REAL manhood and "building empires from scratch". 1940826;1570362440;diana_coman;I wish they'd start with inventing at least a less predictable rant really; just as warm up for all those electricities they'll surely invent. 1940827;1570362564;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1940762 - if you want specifically trilema, it should be /log/trilema without it you'll get to whichever chan is first in the list but there's no guarantee that won't change, in principle 1940828;1570362564;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-06 05:57:50 mp_en_viaje: ah yes http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log there we go. 1940829;1570362623;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, okay, just for you, the next paragraph : 1940830;1570362646;mp_en_viaje;(are you ready ?) 1940831;1570362649;mp_en_viaje;Oh sure, you can wear a condom or cum in her mouth, as long as she doesn’t poke a fuckin’ hole in that bitch or spit the contents out through a fucking Krazy Straw, directly into her own gash. She can even be on birth control, if she fuckin’ takes it. She could give you a hand job in a parking lot behind a convenience store on a warm sunny day, just make sure to cut off her fucking hand once she’s done. As far as I k 1940832;1570362649;mp_en_viaje;now there are only 3 possible ways not to get a girl pregnant in America today. A, never fucking meet her, 2, never, ever let her touch your dick and Charlie, fuck her exclusively in the ass, never allowing her grab your pecker except with the inside of her sphincter, using a condom, spermicide and flushing her out with a God damn fire hose when you’re done and finally, but most importantly get a fucking vasectomy now boy! 1940833;1570362650;mp_en_viaje; “A Real Man always uses birth control, by shooting his fucking loads in the back of their throats and watching them fucking swallow it.” 1940834;1570362686;mp_en_viaje;and yes, that's right : redditard.ARealMan gotta have a vasectomy. realization through derealization &c. 1940835;1570362913;mp_en_viaje;https://archivebox.io/ << this interesting to anyone btw ? since apparently we're doing a whole lotta python nao ? 1940836;1570362996;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: by that point I suspect it's the fantasy of a fantasy in a fantasy really. 1940837;1570363017;diana_coman;ranting at a hypothetic result of a dreamed encounter and so on. 1940838;1570363035;mp_en_viaje;wen that azn tard hurr-durred about butterflies dreaming we thought it was cute. meanwhile... 1940839;1570363063;mp_en_viaje;"Being an asshole and being proud of it, never fucking a girl off video and getting a vasectomy have been the 3 pinnacle factors that have saved me the most amount of trouble and aggravation since my divorce and with any luck, they’ll do the same for you." 1940840;1570363079;mp_en_viaje;you know, i once knew a girl made by one of these. she was... pretty well traumatized. 1940841;1570363144;mp_en_viaje;"Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying I don’t love you son, I love you more than I ever thought I could possibly love anyone or anything, including myself, which I’ve done plenty of, I’m just saying that having you wasn’t a fucking choice, it wasn’t my God damn choice anyway and because that fucking choice was made for me without an ounce of God damn consultation or input from me whatsofuckingever, in spite of th 1940842;1570363144;mp_en_viaje;e fact that I was going to have to pay for all of it, welcome to ‘Merica, I had to make a couple of hard fucking choices on my own. At the time, I was finished with the military, or better yet, the politics of the assholes I got stuck working with in the service and my marriage and I was ready to get fucking divorced and start my whole fucking life over, again, from fucking scratch, again, but if it weren’t for bad luck, 1940843;1570363145;mp_en_viaje; I wouldn’t have any God damn luck at all, so that was the exact fucking moment in time when your mom, my very fucking soon to be ex-fucking-wife, got fucking pregnant with you and extended my sentence and community service for another twenty God damn years." << o look, military dood too, to no-one's surprise. 1940844;1570363283;mp_en_viaje;"As a man with a fucked up childhood myself, not wanting to genocide yours, therefore breaking the unbreakable pattern that selfish pricks like my parents never even attempted to break, I decided to jump in on this whole parenting thing head fucking first with both fucking feet. “A Real Man always takes his responsibility as a parent seriously, even if it fucking ruins every other aspect of his life.” 1940845;1570363283;mp_en_viaje;Hi, I’m John D., your father and in this episode of Rated ARM TV, I’m gonna tell you the story of how I personally dismantled my own already incredibly awesome life in an attempt to give you, my one and only son a much better one than I had as a child, why it had to be done, and why this type of sacrificial behavior is one of the main ingredients of being A Real Man." 1940846;1570363289;*;diana_coman still receives on various profiles all sorts of invites with pics that ~always are here-s-my-military-uniform-and-look-money 1940847;1570363307;mp_en_viaje;ok, ima stop doing this now. john d. picasso can wait for albertina do display his hankies. 1940848;1570363317;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, lol srsly ?! 1940849;1570363338;diana_coman;yeah, I don't think it has anything to do with anything ie it's just another sort of spam. 1940850;1570363390;mp_en_viaje;it's pretty lulzy how the https://gastatic.com/digest/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/fat_hairy_guy_on_bed_with_guns.jpeg portion of the "oh, women only want to become mothers" binome is always very... discreetly passed over in silence in these "awakening" manalone wankterials. 1940851;1570363423;mp_en_viaje;but it takes two to make a mittelamerica marriage, and the "look, military uniform and roasted ham" portion's just as much involved. 1940852;1570363498;mp_en_viaje;the part where his inner thighs are shades of brown giving way to shades of yellow is presumably supposed to pass in silence because look, hairmop ? 1940853;1570363499;mp_en_viaje;something like that at any rate. 1940854;1570364013;mp_en_viaje;"Choice # 1, I could’ve been your average selfish prick, divorced your mom, stayed put & rode that motherfucker out till the wheels fell off, that being my insanely successful burgeoning radio / nightclub & mobile DJ careers which would’ve immediately brought me mountains of money, piles of pussy and lasting local fame and God only knows what else in the long run. I gotta admit, that was a pretty sweet fuckin’ option." 1940855;1570364075;mp_en_viaje;the extremely successful (past tense) burgeoning (future expectation). since he was pretty confident in the future yesterday, it therefore follows that today he's not merely the man of yesterday, but rather, the man of today. with yesterday under his belt, he can safely belch like he's old money, and why the fuck not! 1940856;1570364108;diana_coman;he'd probably have got the piles, have to grant him that. 1940857;1570364132;diana_coman;that lasting-local-fame is a thing. 1940858;1570364168;mp_en_viaje;it's called il capitano for a reason, i guess. 1940859;1570364192;mp_en_viaje;but it's pretty fucking hysterical, what these dorks imagine they should be imagining. 1940860;1570364354;mp_en_viaje;"Choice # fucking 2, shitcan my entertainment journey to get your seriously medically challenged mother back home, 4000 fucking miles away from all my success, close to our useless fucking families to help us raise you, so you manage to make it to your first fucking birthday, in a place where I didn’t have a single fucking contact and even if my father who acted like he owned that whole fucking town he’d lived in for 20 1940861;1570364354;mp_en_viaje;fucking years had one, wouldn’t pick up the God damn phone to help me if his life fucking depended on it." 1940862;1570364583;mp_en_viaje;it's like reading the [http://trilema.com/2011/studii-longitudinale-pe-prosti/][romanian] [http://trilema.com/2010/nsfw-mosu-cu-joarda/][retard] [http://trilema.com/2011/pentru-ca-zmeul-de-internet-e-prea-zmeu/][club] of 2011 exactly, holy shit already. how can the united states survive & exist only as a belated copy of really fucking stupid inconsequential idiotic romanian tards ?! 1940863;1570364651;mp_en_viaje;they're building the 1980s socialism for themselves 2020, they're "discovering" successful burgeoning careers in the style of rotards' last decade now... what the fuck already, how, just HOW can the whole fucking euro colony of north america be on par with the eastern outskirts of the habsburg empire, only later ?! 1940864;1570364777;mp_en_viaje;"And finally choice # 3 fuck her and fuck you, stay put, ship you both back home so I can keep doing my fucking thing and make something, anything other than what I’ve become, an old, angry, broke, business owner, still fucking chasing my dreams of entertaining people by speakin’ my fuckin’ mind." 1940865;1570364823;mp_en_viaje;i suppose the manner in which the insanity survives is that it comes with a built-in indirection layer aka "romanul poate face misto de orice". 1940866;1570365065;diana_coman;possibly decay all goes ~same way; for all one knows, romanians of '80s were just a belated copy themselves and so on. 1940867;1570365139;mp_en_viaje;to be honest, the romanians of the 80s were a sad copy of german imperialism cca 1800s. got even a sorta-colony in congo, recall the paperwork wherein ceausescu whines bogota won't play its age of sail role ? 1940868;1570365153;mp_en_viaje;kept trying to do this, carol 2 was ~same also. 1940869;1570365209;mp_en_viaje;meanwhile girl in tall hat came in, "i come bearing many shishkebaps and things", so ima brb. 1940870;1570365325;diana_coman;heh, enjoy! 1940871;1570369948;mp_en_viaje;"Eventually as with everything else, all good things, come to an end to include one of the best DJ joints I’ve ever had. At first, after a year of totally transforming their clientele as they had requested, they started cutting back my nights. When I started there, the place was overrun by niggers, not black people, niggers. You know the kind of fucking animals that shoot up the place or stab a motherfucker on a packed dan 1940872;1570369948;mp_en_viaje;cefloor totally surrounded by eye witnesses. Well as a professional DJ for many, many years I have often been hired specifically to drive out the niggers by multitudinous club / bar owners and each and every single time this request was made, I always asked whatever dumbass drug dealer / pimp on the side nightclub / bar owner, are you sure, because their money’s is just as green as everybody else’s and once you have a re 1940873;1570369949;mp_en_viaje;putation for being a nigger club, there’s no fucking way you’re turnin’ that shit around, unless you nuke the place with said niggers inside it and once I get the niggers out, which I will, who are you planning to replace them with, because if you think all of a sudden all the hot white girls of the world gonna start showin’ up in droves, you’re seriously out of your fucking minds. Their response, and I quote, “y 1940874;1570369954;mp_en_viaje;ou just get the niggers out, not tonight, not immediately, but slowly and we’ll worry about the hot white bitches when the time comes”. Ok, it’s your God damn funeral." << pretty lulzy but actually remarkably accurate ; it's a wonder he needed 50 pages to finally say something even remotely in touch with reality. 1940875;1570369985;mp_en_viaje;lotta tumblr-minded club owners out there, srsly imagine there's this vast untapped potential of girls like their mother thought girls should be, floating around somewhere in the aethers. 1940876;1570376084;asciilifeform;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1940757 << rerun of 2d ago. dozen shitfloods which took out whole pipe for ~10 of ~20min ea., followed by [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1940740]['ohai you'd surely like to be unplugged wouldntcha'] 1940877;1570376084;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-06 08:48:11 mp_en_viaje: hm, http://thewhet.net/ loads, http://qntra.net/ loads, http://bingology.net/ doesn't, http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log doesn't... are you two being aggravated over there ? 1940878;1570376084;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-06 04:53:21 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: two emails in the last ~30 minutes http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=fWlq 1940879;1570376230;asciilifeform;observe that BingoBoingo's bouncer is still cycling. 1940880;1570376340;BingoBoingo;No new information from them since since http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1940740 1940881;1570376340;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-06 01:53:48 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: two emails in the last ~30 minutes http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=fWlq 1940882;1570376375;asciilifeform;btw my suspect list re ddos includes latech itself. possibly ploy to upsell on pipe. 1940883;1570376500;asciilifeform;i still dunget why the 4 target addrs and not 5 or 1, each flood seems to take out whole pipe anyway 1940884;1570376534;asciilifeform;even if BingoBoingo succeeds in negotiating 'no moar plug pulling, wtf already' this is not tenable. 1940885;1570376620;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: dulap has been unreachable 100% of time since [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1940740][exactly then] . 1940886;1570376621;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-06 04:53:21 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: two emails in the last ~30 minutes http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=fWlq 1940887;1570376666;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Did you manage to assign it .239 as an alternate address? 1940888;1570376722;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: nope. but this is not a solution, given that whole pipe shuts down ea. time 1940889;1570376743;asciilifeform;it's only a solution to a problem we ought not be having at all, in re the latech retardation. 1940890;1570377414;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Can you write out, on the blog or somewhere else in one olace, 1940891;1570377425;asciilifeform;re ddos ( supposing to take latech's word for the assertion that it ~is~ a ddos , rather than pipe provider playing dulap-I-style games ) -- fact of the matter, it dun cost very much to saturate a 200Mb/s pipe. 1940892;1570377426;BingoBoingo;the proposed sane solution 1940893;1570377458;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: sadly mp_en_viaje already wrote an article re sane solution ( gossipd. ) 1940894;1570377463;asciilifeform;i dun know of others. 1940895;1570377599;asciilifeform;he had also [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940548][this] idea but it will have to be done by someone else, asciilifeform already spent most of what he had on the attempt to build piz. 1940896;1570377599;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-05 08:10:45 mp_en_viaje: THEN the correct move is towards an ixp. there's thousands of these (eg [https://www.bc.net/service-catalogue/transit-exchange][bcnet]-operated VTE). 1940897;1570377650;BingoBoingo;And I am stuck between a rock and a hard place, between Gossipd and Latecho's proposed BGP block, this time limited to the target addresses. 1940898;1570377706;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: we have 2 separate problems. ddos and latech. 1940899;1570377725;asciilifeform;for ~4hrs last night, had just the former. but it was enuff to make the pipe ~unusable. 1940900;1570377733;BingoBoingo;We appear indeed to have two problems 1940901;1570377814;asciilifeform;ddosism i suspect will follow all attempts to build republican isp. and will appear at the maximally effective time, i.e. when resources have already been sunk into buildout, long-term contracts with pipe seller signed, etc 1940902;1570377953;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: this is why enemy picked piz to start with, rather than e.g. lobbes's heathenisp box ( which cost him 0 aside from monthly cost and can simply move , erry day if he likes ) or mp_en_viaje's (which is 9000x oversupplied with pipe and he can also move at very little loss to whatever new isp) 1940903;1570377998;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: what's being attacked is the very idea of tmsr isp, rather than a particular box. 1940904;1570378030;BingoBoingo;As it stands, despite having vacant ips for folks to move to... the refusalt to try a targeted BGPD mitigation appears to have denied us the oppotunity to have any nines of uptime in September. 1940905;1570378045;asciilifeform;bgpd? 1940906;1570378064;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The blackhole the target ips thing 1940907;1570378118;BingoBoingo;For all I know the DDoS is done by the Cloudflare sales department 1940908;1570378141;asciilifeform;dun particularly matter, atm, by who. 1940909;1570378183;asciilifeform;could even be by a current or potential subscriber, to test whether we even have shit together before agreeing to colo a box. 1940910;1570378207;asciilifeform;if it's an exam, we aint passing 1940911;1570378261;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: do you imagine that folx will subscribe to a 'you might have to flip your ip erry 4hrs' isp ? 1940912;1570378515;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: make it clear when you talk to latech, that if we cannot get a civilized solution and a guarantee out of'em, we're through. and will have to start evacuation of boxen. (not that there's anywhere to put'em, or likely to be any time soon.) 1940913;1570378599;asciilifeform;a 'civilized solution', to be absolutely pedantic , includes both 1+2. i.e. nomoar blackholing, AND pipe that is reasonably weather-resistant. 1940914;1570378607;asciilifeform;without 1+2 we aint got an isp. 1940915;1570378643;*;asciilifeform brb,tea 1940916;1570379485;BingoBoingo;In the interim, before the sit down... http://archive.is/qoXuE http://archive.is/ekeej The online BGP tools appear to be showing no no blackholes of our space 1940917;1570380819;*;asciilifeform back 1940918;1570380846;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: elementarily suggests that it wasn't done via bgp. 1940919;1570380883;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Well it suggests we are presently unreachable for reasons of DDoS rather than BGP blackholing as before 1940920;1570380925;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: mno. during ddos, whole pipe was dead. whereas atm e.g. uy1 loads, ditto ossasepia, but not dulap or qntra 1940921;1570380964;asciilifeform;before [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1940777][this] escapes >> read it, and looked useful, until got to the part where python3. 1940922;1570380964;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-06 11:57:00 mp_en_viaje: https://archivebox.io/ << this interesting to anyone btw ? since apparently we're doing a whole lotta python nao ? 1940923;1570381072;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo: mno. during ddos, whole pipe was dead. whereas atm e.g. uy1 loads, ditto ossasepia, but not dulap or qntra << Ah, here I was trying to load qntra 1940924;1570381155;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: if we were hosting gossipd nodes instead of public www's and irc bots, then indeed wouldn't matter that 90% of our ip block at any given time is awol. could simply walk it until connects to noad via the remaining. but we aint.. 1940925;1570381180;asciilifeform;'if wishes were horses'(tm) 1940926;1570381573;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: imho, BingoBoingo oughta carefully discuss w/ mp , ~before~ (and not as last time, after) talk w/ latech. 1940927;1570381676;asciilifeform;and ftr asciilifeform suspects that this story will end with mp_en_viaje asking asciilifeform to hand in his bicord. wat good is an admiral w/out a fleet ? like miklos horthy ? 1940928;1570381684;asciilifeform;*bicorn 1940929;1570381798;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Well, as of right now, what does a Pizarro airlift look like? 1940930;1570381817;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: fedex ? 1940931;1570381828;asciilifeform;+ BingoBoingo's parachute, if he decides . 1940932;1570381836;BingoBoingo;To where? 1940933;1570381848;asciilifeform;to where each subscriber says, how else 1940934;1570381889;asciilifeform;a set of broom closets in their houses, i expect. 1940935;1570381955;BingoBoingo;Aite, what does pizarro airlift look like if we find an IXP 1940936;1570381979;asciilifeform;this , i won't speculate about, will leave it to who has the capital to finance such an experiment. 1940937;1570382032;*;asciilifeform asciilifeform does not expect that anyone will want to ask for his advice re how to do a 2nd isp, if we cede this stalingrad. 1940938;1570382185;asciilifeform;[http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2016-11-18#1570104][see also.] 1940939;1570382185;ericbot;Logged on 2016-11-18 16:41:26 mircea_popescu: nah, there's the retiring kind and the executed kind of admiral. 1940940;1570382325;*;BingoBoingo suspects naively that airlifting to an IXP will push us towards Austria/Turkey/Poland/Belarus/etc on the other side of the Atlantic. On this side of the Atlantic mebbe Fortaleza, Brasil/Venezuela/Mexico/Panama but I suspect Panama is an awful choice 1940941;1570382331;BingoBoingo;For political reasons 1940942;1570382377;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i'm not even convinced that there ~is~ a 'sane choice of location' . 1940943;1570382456;asciilifeform;in fuckholistans, the boxen will be electrically molested ; in 'civilized' -- physically. 1940944;1570382485;asciilifeform;conceivably, in the 'borderlands' -- both. 1940945;1570382926;BingoBoingo;Another, uglier option, is we either keep latecho for the cage and power or move to an Antel datacenter, explicitly become an Antel reseller where each box gets its own incoming line. I fail from this chair to see substantial increase in leverage from this route. 1940946;1570382959;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: what means 'own incoming line' here ? 1940947;1570383045;asciilifeform;it does appear that we're currently 2, rather than 1 , steps down from the orcistani national pipe. 1940948;1570383077;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: may be worth to find out, if it can be done quickly, what would cost to hang directly from antel. 1940949;1570383083;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It would mean Antel provides the RJ45 for each box, each RJ45 billed seperately. This would increase the complexity of administration and billing, but I don't know materially different it could be from the current situation in practice. 1940950;1570383130;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: were you able to determine whether the blackholing is perpetrated by latech or antel ? 1940951;1570383161;asciilifeform;( antel, by request of latech, for our purposes counts as 'by latech' ) 1940952;1570383201;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It seems the blackholing happens at the Antel level by request of Latecho 1940953;1570383218;asciilifeform;then to hang directly off antel may be the ticket. 1940954;1570383241;asciilifeform;then will actually fulfill mp's orig spec of 'own fucking line, with no one to say 'we pulled you to protect our other derps' ) 1940955;1570383274;asciilifeform;cuz , as mp_en_viaje observed, it's a 'cheap' ddos, given that BingoBoingo is still able to use net from his flat in the same town 1940956;1570383303;asciilifeform;if were 'expensive' ddos , so as to saturate whole fucking oceanic pipe, would not have , elementarily. 1940957;1570383404;asciilifeform;currently it seems to asciilifeform that we did a shoddy job in setting up the orig arrangement. and lived with it as long as did because 'appeared to work', just like we lived with phf's logger 1940958;1570383462;asciilifeform;( granted this setup was complete ~before~ asciilifeform picked up this grenade. but at the same time it was still a waiting bomb. ) 1940959;1570383535;asciilifeform;( readers may recall that asciilifeform did not put BingoBoingo in montevideo, or the rack on latech ) 1940960;1570383660;asciilifeform;all shoddy jobs, are paid for eventually. with interest. 1940961;1570383701;BingoBoingo;It is appearing that is the case. It seems Latecho is creating our pipe by using a router that splits our bandwith from a bigger Antel pipe coming into Latecho. Rather than having acquired a line for the purpose of serving us, it appears from this crisis and their reaction that they simply contracted more bandwidth to a pipe they already had. 1940962;1570383722;asciilifeform;see, BingoBoingo , if we had pipe from antel, perhaps could buy additional capacity on temporary basis as ddosism ebbs and flows. like adults. 1940963;1570383872;asciilifeform;i dun even disagree with mp_en_viaje's [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940686][drop if you can't win] -- but the flip side is that must NOT surrender if still could. 1940964;1570383872;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-05 16:52:01 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940666 << this is sad, but unrelated. you drop the hand when you establish it can't win, not when you decide you "can afford to lose" your imaginary share of the value of the pot. 1940965;1570383872;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-05 12:39:49 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940637 << this is reasonable but will point out that we dun have a spare uruguay , a spare BingoBoingo , or budget to start from 0 with a new cosmonaut. 1940966;1570383900;asciilifeform;see also stalin's 'order # 227', 28 june 1942. 1940967;1570384018;*;mp_en_viaje waves 1940968;1570384024;*;asciilifeform waves back 1940969;1570384027;mp_en_viaje;hows the headache alfie 1940970;1570384028;BingoBoingo;Well, from the progre horde's perspective things may look more like Mao's "Problems in China are big, but they become very small when you divide by the [http://trilema.com/2016/give-computers-the-vote-theyre-cheaper-than-women-even/][chinese people]] 1940971;1570384044;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: throbbing, genuine physical headache 1940972;1570384050;mp_en_viaje;sux. 1940973;1570384085;mp_en_viaje;nsa still down huh. ouch. 1940974;1570384094;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: 'all's fair in war', i enlisted for this headache, no one forced. 1940975;1570384101;*;BingoBoingo has an asshole so sore in the metaphorical sense that he's contemplating a donut pillow 1940976;1570384136;mp_en_viaje;it's funny how this shit works, we had single logger for years, then when there's finally redundancy, bang. 1940977;1570384150;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: diana_coman's & lobbes's work a+++ 1940978;1570384219;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i dunthink enemy gives rat's arse re loggers. objective was to take out piz. 1940979;1570384240;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1940824 << the part where the bs started the day after "hey, what's with your shit bw" inquiries certainly points a hand/. 1940980;1570384240;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-06 12:41:52 asciilifeform: btw my suspect list re ddos includes latech itself. possibly ploy to upsell on pipe. 1940981;1570384253;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: ikr ? 1940982;1570384259;asciilifeform;i dun come up with these from thin air.. 1940983;1570384259;mp_en_viaje;yes. 1940984;1570384386;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1940834 << in practice, there's the following practical solutions : 1. you folk move on to an ipx. this requires exactly the skillset you don't have, wherein you don't sit on ass 2y talking to an "oscar" who couldn't give shit about you (after however long failing to produce any modicum of insertion that led to the original blowup / massive investor haircut pizarro came out of 1940985;1570384386;mp_en_viaje;), but instead you use 2week term to produce oscar that'd rather cut own throat than inconvenience you. 1940986;1570384386;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-06 12:59:23 BingoBoingo: the proposed sane solution 1940987;1570384448;mp_en_viaje;2. you folk move on to simply hiring space from 500+ random internet isps, and snowshoe your load around. this requires a lot more technical acumen than i've seen so far, seeing how you've not as much as managed to implement in practice bash scripts given on trilema for mass-interneting, the level of avg 12yo script kiddie. 1940988;1570384483;mp_en_viaje;there'd be also a theoretical 3, where you move to different dc because this one specifically wasn't good ; but considering you didn't discover on own feet the not-goodness, but had to wait for events, thisis purely a theoretical alternative. 1940989;1570384513;asciilifeform;dafuq would be the point of (2) ? that aint a locking cage, colo'd FG, etc. who the fuck needs intermediary for this, anyone can get rando heathen isp right nao. 1940990;1570384533;mp_en_viaje;over all these possibilities, your entrenched, utter inability to actually produce business sits as a complete smog cover. i had been harping about how you have a limited time to life and either you use it to live or die for years because o fexactly this reason : now when the push comes to shove, who exactly is the lifeblood we're talking about ? 1940991;1570384540;mp_en_viaje;if pizarro is here rather than not, what's lost ? 1940992;1570384568;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, supposedly because you have good automated fallbacks people can't be bothered to write themselves. sorta early handcranked UCI. 1940993;1570384599;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: how does an automated fallback work w/ physical welded machine ? it sprouts wings and flies itself between dc's ? 1940994;1570384615;mp_en_viaje;no, you keep 100 servers in 50 locations and whenever one dies you just reroute. 1940995;1570384640;mp_en_viaje;needs mchanized acquisition / dealing with "oscars" etc. 1940996;1570384655;asciilifeform;i.e. build clone of 'amazon' using loose change budget ? 1940997;1570384671;mp_en_viaje;i dun recall what pizarro budget was, but six digits iirc ? 1940998;1570384693;mp_en_viaje;is it pretty much cash-broke by now ? 1940999;1570384730;BingoBoingo;http://pizarroisp.net/2019/09/18/pizarro-isp-august-2019-report/ << Not broke 1941000;1570384758;mp_en_viaje;45k, buys 1k months of commodity vps. 1941001;1570384786;*;asciilifeform doesn't want 'commodity vps' even for free 1941002;1570384802;mp_en_viaje;hey, as long as we're doing wants i have a list right here. shall i go through it ? 1941003;1570384828;*;BingoBoingo suspects we need a species of cosmonaut better than BingoBoingo to have a working Pizarro. 1941004;1570384859;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, it beggars belief that after two years on the ground, your relationship to the derpy orc dc consists of form letters and usual arby's runaround. 1941005;1570384876;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: and a different asciilifeform , who has infinite money and can locate on side, and not be constrained in iron buildout by flow of usd from day jobs, etc 1941006;1570384883;asciilifeform;*on site 1941007;1570384904;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, i don't believe the iron buildout was actually an asset for pizarro, business wise. 1941008;1570384916;mp_en_viaje;in practice, it mostly worked as a convenient excuse for entrenched sales failure. 1941009;1570384924;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: there wasn't what to sell ! 1941010;1570384931;asciilifeform;what to sell if iron is packed ? 1941011;1570384980;mp_en_viaje;yes, but looky : for this to be a business rather than a dream, it has to be construed, and managed, as a business. 1941012;1570385022;mp_en_viaje;on the green side, you have 0 business you can point out to as acquired because specific iron configuration, in preference of random "vps" ; on the red side, you have plenty of loss you can point to as lot because same iron arrangement. 1941013;1570385027;mp_en_viaje;this makes it a liability for the business. 1941014;1570385037;asciilifeform;the rk people are specifically there because they do not want 'rando vps'. 1941015;1570385042;mp_en_viaje;who ? 1941016;1570385051;asciilifeform;diana_coman , for instance. 1941017;1570385061;mp_en_viaje;all republicans are here because republic, let's not get silly. 1941018;1570385079;asciilifeform;likewise , mp_en_viaje's smg specifically landed there because wanted FG colo'd (in fact before asciilifeform had anyffin to do with the proj) 1941019;1570385092;mp_en_viaje;that part is true, fg ver ymuch is asset. 1941020;1570385115;asciilifeform;and yes, republicans are there because republic. if republic wants isp, will have to devise how, out of what. 1941021;1570385118;mp_en_viaje;never managed to be much sold, but yes, it generated perhaps as much as 40% of the business 1941022;1570385164;*;mp_en_viaje is not exact on numbers, having followed this only on the "when brought to trilema" level of detail. 1941023;1570385187;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: shall i post'em ? i dun think was ever fully laid in public 1941024;1570385193;asciilifeform;( re FG ) 1941025;1570385204;mp_en_viaje;sure, why not. 1941026;1570385239;mp_en_viaje;at the very least both smg servers need it, which is what, 2 out of 5 colo'd machines, with the rk making up another 1/3 of pizarro business ? 1941027;1570385308;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: we made 2 parties of 100 , net 200 . 1st party sold immediately to dpb. 2nd sold to a variety of people, leaving the 36 that went to piz and a half dozen emergency spares kept in asciilifeform's desk. 1941028;1570385323;mp_en_viaje;ah, from that side. what's the relevancy here ? 1941029;1570385330;asciilifeform;~none. but mp_en_viaje asked. 1941030;1570385351;mp_en_viaje;i asked from the pov of pizarro ; what % of its business is related to fg deployment. i guessed a bout 40%, could be wrong, maybe it's only 20%, w/e. 1941031;1570385369;mp_en_viaje;seems fg was asset. exotic iron was never asset, arguably promised to be, but never made it. 1941032;1570385369;asciilifeform;i think moar than 40 1941033;1570385375;asciilifeform;there's several people on rk who have FG. 1941034;1570385401;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: the more 'exotic' iron is the fact that all of the iron lives in a cabinet operated by BingoBoingo , and not touched by unknown apes. 1941035;1570385415;mp_en_viaje;and to continue that list : the "not nato" line in the original spec defo not asset. we ate the cost of orcistan, but gained (through whoever's fault, leaving this aside) no upside from orcistan. we have no priviledged connection past what somone off the street yesterday would have, but we do have massive headache with eg supplies. 1941036;1570385417;BingoBoingo;3/6 Rockchips have FG 1941037;1570385463;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i know you don't liek to read castles, but [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-27#1004175][this] thread b/w asciilifeform and diana_coman's heathen isp man is pertinent. 1941038;1570385463;ossabot;(ossasepia) 2019-09-27 maxim_mivo: We don't offer a KVM service since all our servers are equipped with an OOB Managment module (iDRAC, IPMI, iLO, etc.) 1941039;1570385463;mp_en_viaje;as it turns out, it's a hollow spec, entirely holy water dousing. the orcs are just as pantsuit as the zeks, they're just too stupid to express it in specific forms, but otherwise will pantsuit reliably anyways. 1941040;1570385473;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, aite, ima read. 1941041;1570385497;mp_en_viaje;anyway, one possible continuation is to install resident in say budapest, have him colo boxes in each dc from portugal to moldavia, implement an upgraded version of point 2 above. 1941042;1570385550;asciilifeform;and when a disk needs swap ? he flies ? 1941043;1570385594;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-27#1004197 << i am with you here, there doesn't seem to be a problem ? 1941044;1570385595;ossabot;(ossasepia) 2019-09-27 asciilifeform: maxim_mivo: very good. i will open an account . my pgp public key is in http://www.loper-os.org/pgp.asc . 1941045;1570385602;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, yes, he flies. airfare in yurp is in the 50euro range. 1941046;1570385648;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: oddly enuff, this scheme is ~exactly asciilifeform's orig. alternative when objected in '17 to mp_en_viaje's 'we need whole isp, with whole cage' 1941047;1570385663;mp_en_viaje;link for muh own memories ? 1941048;1570385669;*;asciilifeform digging 1941049;1570385691;*;mp_en_viaje is not particularly proud of scheme described, hence "one possible continuation". we evidently didn't get what we want, or anything even remotely like it. 1941050;1570385734;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2017-10-06#1721722][this]. and ftr i still think it would have been mistake. just a different mistake. 1941051;1570385734;ericbot;Logged on 2017-10-06 12:07:30 asciilifeform: re colocation, i have 1 positive answer from india; 0 from ru ( apparently ru folx are decent XOR likedoingbusinesswithforeign ? ) 1941052;1570385742;mp_en_viaje;it'd have been much better if resident in small orcistan ended up with strong local presence to the point of running in local elections etc. 1941053;1570385843;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, did i miss something in there ? seems to me that "this alternative is unrelated to a proposal by asciilifeform back in 2017 when he couldn't get anyone to usefully answer from ru or india" would be a much closer summary. 1941054;1570385843;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: my current take, is that any adventure in republican isp, regardless where located , is a [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1940885][walk between scylla and charybdis] . 1941055;1570385843;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-06 17:22:43 asciilifeform: in fuckholistans, the boxen will be electrically molested ; in 'civilized' -- physically. 1941056;1570385880;mp_en_viaje;nope. the only possible take is that ineptitude doesn't fix itself, either you fix it or it stays. 1941057;1570385920;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2017-10-06#1721753][there, also] , and where mp: 'we'll have 25 locations, 25 racks' etc 1941058;1570385920;ericbot;Logged on 2017-10-06 12:16:07 asciilifeform: eggs/basket 1941059;1570385961;mp_en_viaje;i don't get wtf you're saying here. 1941060;1570385984;asciilifeform;which here 1941061;1570386047;mp_en_viaje;you said something that doesn't read but nevertheless implies "oh, this multi-dc thing is what i proposed and you rejected in 2017". then upon review it comes out i never rejected. then you link somewhere else where we discuss how, if pizarro ever manages to get any business, it can grow. 1941062;1570386065;mp_en_viaje;none of this is contentions, or that relevant. yes, if pizarro had 5k customers paying it 50k/mo it could've conceivably had the 25 boxes in 25 dcs. 1941063;1570386085;mp_en_viaje;it evidently did no such thing. IT did no such thing. this has no bearing on "how boxes are diddled" etcetera. 1941064;1570386094;asciilifeform;right but elementarily did not have the capital or the manpower to start with other than 1 rack and handful of irons. 1941065;1570386100;mp_en_viaje;pizarro failed to sell, and failed to get localized in the one location it decided to care about. 1941066;1570386105;mp_en_viaje;TO START. 1941067;1570386111;mp_en_viaje;that was years ago. 1941068;1570386130;mp_en_viaje;it didn't get past the starting, by specifically avoiding any sort of sales. in three instantiations. 1941069;1570386165;asciilifeform;it takes a year to get handful of boxes built and carried in. because in uy. (where, again will remind, asciilifeform had no part in putting it) 1941070;1570386179;mp_en_viaje;imagine, you've been at this for years, some rando moldavian looks pretty good by offering what you were supposed to offer, on your own turf. is this only ridoinculous to my eye /! 1941071;1570386199;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, are you implying that you were forbidden from deciding to take it out or what is it ? 1941072;1570386200;asciilifeform;he's peddling stock 'dells' with mandatory ipmi. 1941073;1570386209;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, no, i know. 1941074;1570386212;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i haven't the capital to take it out, or a where-to. 1941075;1570386215;mp_en_viaje;... 1941076;1570386230;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: recall how asciilifeform ended up with the job to start with ? 1941077;1570386309;mp_en_viaje;a brief history of pizarro would be, that after a lot of me haranguing over how the republic will cease without isp, BingoBoingo volunteered to go somewhere. the whole affair was very open handed, with him given a budget and a task. he picked uy, went there, failed to do a number of specific things, which resulted in me pulling the plug and selling the thing off 10cents to the dollar or somesuch. 1941078;1570386324;asciilifeform;correct 1941079;1570386352;asciilifeform;mod6 (at first as an act of tbf, but then bought back personally) + asciilifeform , bought, 50/50 1941080;1570386364;mp_en_viaje;mod6 + benvulpes bought it iirc, and they did ~same for a while, then eventually you reorganized it as a venture that's specifically not to include my say lest i wreck it, which incidentally i've respected to date, notwithstandin gall sorts of incidental ineptitudes baked in all through. 1941081;1570386381;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: it was 50/50 tbf / asciilifeform . 1941082;1570386390;mp_en_viaje;aha. 1941083;1570386415;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: nao, fast-fwd, mp_en_viaje in effect owns piz (there's ~no piz if mp_en_viaje & co not subscribed, working pipe or not ) . 1941084;1570386421;mp_en_viaje;anyways, there were then protracted derpings with the transfer, took like 6 months for you folk to (maybe ?) disentangle screamingly idiotic business practices including large encrypted scratch files etc. 1941085;1570386443;mp_en_viaje;then took about a year for you folk to unconvincingly maneuver in the general direction of maybe any day now imminently starting a sales process 1941086;1570386444;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: dun fughet where bv ended up delivering a crate for the cost of 3 1941087;1570386449;mp_en_viaje;and then the pipe went sour. 1941088;1570386461;asciilifeform;again what sales process, when naught to sell. 1941089;1570386468;asciilifeform;can't sell boxen that aint there. 1941090;1570386478;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, i don't know why you keep saying that. sales is neither an optional nor a coinditional part of business. 1941091;1570386490;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i dun have any experience selling phantoms 1941092;1570386493;mp_en_viaje;sales is ~the whole thing. 1941093;1570386501;asciilifeform;and having ~what~ to sell 1941094;1570386507;mp_en_viaje;either you sell or else, sooner or later, you discover your infrastructure rotted. 1941095;1570386526;asciilifeform;there were ( BingoBoingo may have exact # ) several people queued for rk. 1941096;1570386549;asciilifeform;which was being built ( on asciilifeform's desk , needs still the ssds ) but now nowhere for it to live. 1941097;1570386554;mp_en_viaje;my (admittedly distant) metric is "count of canditates to lordship who made contact through pizarro contract" 1941098;1570386576;mp_en_viaje;for as long as that's 0, meh. no working sales funnel over at pizarro. 1941099;1570386606;asciilifeform;the rk was the 1 product where demand outstripped supply consistently. 1941100;1570386612;mp_en_viaje;exact same for a putative bitcoin foundation, together with a "count of donated bitcoins from the wider community" 1941101;1570386621;mp_en_viaje;and so following. 1941102;1570386626;asciilifeform;( hence why asciilifeform set to work to build a 15 unit 2nd rk plant ) 1941103;1570386638;mp_en_viaje;doesn't seem we're making contact here. 1941104;1570386639;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: thimbronion is in line for a rockchip. First contact was as gernika where he killed his GPG key by signing "I agree" 1941105;1570386666;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i aint actually disagreeing in re 'must sell'. but pointing out that also must have ~what~ to sell. 1941106;1570386690;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2016-03-31#1443159 ? 1941107;1570386690;ossabot;Logged on 2016-03-31 18:48:02 gernika: asciilifeform: fyi I made a trip to eetools HQ today and came back home with a curiosity: EmMax plus rom emulator - connects to LPT port - comes with console app. It does *not* however appear to support dos - win95 is as far back as it goes it seems. 1941108;1570386721;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: he's the renamed d00d. iirc was originally this, aha 1941109;1570386730;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, sure, but that's unrelated. "i had not what to sell" is not acceptable answer to "why not sold ?" much like "maybe it just dissapeared" is not acceptable ansser to "what happened to content of safe", as per prior discussion re tech and magic. 1941110;1570386752;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, as there was no pizarro in 2016, i dun think this has any bearing ? or wha tare we talking about ? 1941111;1570386776;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform wanted to know the folks in line for Rockchip 1941112;1570386785;mp_en_viaje;a 1941113;1570386905;*;asciilifeform currently forming impression that mp_en_viaje dun even wants to wait for latech call, or e.g. [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1940896][these] , and that time to evacuate ? 1941114;1570386905;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-06 17:35:49 asciilifeform: then will actually fulfill mp's orig spec of 'own fucking line, with no one to say 'we pulled you to protect our other derps' ) 1941115;1570386911;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1940981 - fwiw I think this is true 100%. 1941116;1570386912;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-06 15:13:21 mp_en_viaje: as it turns out, it's a hollow spec, entirely holy water dousing. the orcs are just as pantsuit as the zeks, they're just too stupid to express it in specific forms, but otherwise will pantsuit reliably anyways. 1941117;1570386941;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, i already said that fuck 1941118;1570386943;mp_en_viaje;hey diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log-search?q=i+don%27t+intend&chan=trilema 1941119;1570386992;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, i already said that http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940475 ; this hasn't changed notwithstanding it seems the one day is turning into a long weekend. 1941120;1570386992;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-04 22:01:52 mp_en_viaje: personally has no intention of pulling the plug over diana_coman 's inability to do smg work today because of this for instance ; 1941121;1570386998;asciilifeform;a 1941122;1570387021;mp_en_viaje;im trying to provide you folk with what i expect you want (or else nfi why you're discussing it here), ie an experienced sounding board for your business 1941123;1570387036;asciilifeform;at this pt i'ma take whatever advice mp_en_viaje offers , re how to work these. 1941124;1570387064;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, is pizarro smg server farm even accessible atm ? 1941125;1570387125;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: it is, yes. 1941126;1570387128;mp_en_viaje;a cool then. 1941127;1570387140;*;asciilifeform goes to lie down for a spell, is feeling ill, brb. 1941128;1570387169;mp_en_viaje;poor alf ;/ 1941129;1570387240;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: From what I can see it looks like they went ahead and blackholed a portion of the IP space. half the rockchips, dulap, and another IP 1941130;1570387266;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, did you ever get a packet dump btw ? 1941131;1570387271;BingoBoingo;I did not 1941132;1570387284;mp_en_viaje;in fairness, it's entirely possible they don't even know what it is / how to make one. 1941133;1570387342;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1941060 - > http://logs.ossasepia.com/log-search?q=%22I+don%27t+intend%22&chan=trilema apparently ' is trouble 1941134;1570387342;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-06 15:38:00 mp_en_viaje: hey diana_coman http://logs.ossasepia.com/log-search?q=i+don%27t+intend&chan=trilema 1941135;1570387361;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, iirc asciilifeform fixed this and i think also issued vpatch 1941136;1570387471;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: hm, my deployed code is pressed up to active_disconnect; I'll check the following 2 1941137;1570387577;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1940843 << it's very difficult to evaluate key metrics because of the extrmely poor quality of available data. a certain amt of "ddos" is ~extremely~ common, and in no way or manner related to anything or to any degree intentional. i periodically published on trilema lists of what'd qualify as "ddos" by 1999 standards say. let me fish some out, why not. 1941138;1570387577;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-06 13:05:51 asciilifeform: ddosism i suspect will follow all attempts to build republican isp. and will appear at the maximally effective time, i.e. when resources have already been sunk into buildout, long-term contracts with pipe seller signed, etc 1941139;1570387671;mp_en_viaje;http://trilema.com/2017/remember-the-security-hole-automattic-refused-to-fix-back-in-2014/ forinstance. 6x ~100kB/s = 4.8Mbps. "ddos". 1941140;1570387704;mp_en_viaje;trilema.com/2018/totally-legit-traffix-sir/ ~same, 3mbps or so 1941141;1570387809;mp_en_viaje;http://trilema.com/2019/i-dont-get-it/ 21217 / 12 / 3600 = .5/s sustained over half a day, with a normal distribution reasonably peaked at 8 or so /s, ie another 6-7Mbps item. 1941142;1570388019;mp_en_viaje;http://trilema.com/2019/trilema-images-no-longer-showing/#comment-127686 item resulted in... umm... 2tB/day = 2×8×1024^2÷86400 = 194Mbps SUSTAINED AVERAGE for that day. 1941143;1570388239;BingoBoingo;Oscar sent this graph last night http://pizarroisp.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/recentgraph.png I suppose I can ask again for a packet dump or some sort of information on the origin of the traffic. 1941144;1570388284;mp_en_viaje;and so following, i could keep quoting these, from http://trilema.com/2016/the-internet-of-shit/ to whatever, http://trilema.com/2017/remember-the-security-hole-automattic-refused-to-fix-back-in-2014/?b=the%20live&e=log#select shows, specifically, 202136 hits between 05:56:35 and 06:01:56, that's then 1k connections/second or thereabouts... 1941145;1570388300;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, do you see the difference between my cascade of links and that ? 1941146;1570388305;BingoBoingo;I do 1941147;1570388462;mp_en_viaje;but the overarching point : a certain amount of toy "ddos" is ~GUARANTEED~. carries no meaning, attaches to no identity, has nothing to do with you in any way. it's like "a certain level of hardship is guaranteed outdoors", unfucking avoidable. 1941148;1570388956;mp_en_viaje;the [http://trilema.com/2016/the-internet-of-shit/?b=7007&e=245#select][7007245] hits for 24 days of june (2016!) ~averages~ to almost 300k a day, meaning it peaks above that, meaning etcetera. ima stop quoting these, but the idea is : i can't even currently guess whether your contact deems 1 connection/second a ddos. maybe it does, nfi, no way to tell from those derpy graphs. is it 10 ? 100 ? dude has no fucking idea either 1941149;1570388956;mp_en_viaje; by all appearances, a waiter could do just as well in his job. 1941150;1570388965;mp_en_viaje;so i can't really say anything intelligent on THAT score. 1941151;1570389128;mp_en_viaje;"here's the 5k packets you received during 10 minutes, LISTED. we can't handle over 10/s, sorry" is one thing. "here's some colors" is... another thing. 1941152;1570389709;BingoBoingo;"Can I get a packet dump from at least one of the floods before sitting down and discussing options for moving forward. The graphs seem to show when activity is happening, but they lack information that could be used to put together a mitigation strategy. Is the incoming traffic UDP, TCP, ICMP, etc? Is there any information that suggests an origin or origins. Hay una falta de información forense que pueda ayudar a evaluar lo que est? 1941153;1570389709;BingoBoingo;? sucediendo." << Is this the sort of response I should send before scheduling a sit down? 1941154;1570389730;mp_en_viaje;nor is the situation looking any better from the converse end. was eg http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-08-30#1932422 ever followed up on ? can you folk answer whether you're 1% or 99% saturated during normal course of business ? maybe you just hit the upper bounds on bw and this is how it looks ? 1941155;1570389730;ossabot;Logged on 2019-08-30 14:20:19 asciilifeform: piz has a 200Mb pipe, and on some days it is quite crowded. 1941156;1570389826;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, what's wrong with "i will absolutely need a proper packet capture here, the colorful graphs and choice epithets don't help. can you send the relevant .pcap files over please" 1941157;1570389956;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-08#1935050 << for historical sentiment. 1941158;1570389956;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-08 11:31:29 asciilifeform: i vaguely suspected btw that all the major bugs in bot would be found in disconnect handling. piz pipe is so stable that not seen naturally-occurring disconnect yet... 1941159;1570390039;mp_en_viaje;anyway, the naive impression was that the (~deliberate~) upside of "[http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-12#1935791][kolhoz-style]" is passive "ddos" mitigation, whereby pizz pipe absorbs individual hits in this manner. was this intended function ? was it ever measured/monitored ? did it critically fail, what happened ? 1941160;1570390040;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-12 12:47:56 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: atm we still have 'kolhoz' bandwidth, i.e. 'all you can eat', but i expect if we put up an image paster it'll saturate the pipe 100% . ( naturally if mircea_popescu wants to make arrangements to get monster pipe specially for this experiment, i'ma work with him to make it go. but promises to be costly. ) 1941161;1570390044;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: Aite, Imma send your text over 1941162;1570390056;mp_en_viaje;there's extremely little anything to go on, and it's not ALL the fault of some dude named oscar 1941163;1570390066;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, don't have to do it right now, let your boss wake up, why not. 1941164;1570390075;BingoBoingo;Aite 1941165;1570390264;asciilifeform;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1941071 << loox like. 1941166;1570390264;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-06 18:42:28 BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: From what I can see it looks like they went ahead and blackholed a portion of the IP space. half the rockchips, dulap, and another IP 1941167;1570390327;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1941077 - I don't see it in either of the last 2 vpatches; fwiw I looked in the reader's code too: the tokenizer treats the ' as start of a quote and then fails for not having the end ' it expects 1941168;1570390328;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-06 15:44:59 mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, iirc asciilifeform fixed this and i think also issued vpatch 1941169;1570390331;asciilifeform;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1941077 << looks like this bug i ~introduced~ in [http://www.loper-os.org/pub/logotron/sept_fixes.kv.vpatch]['sept_fixes'], not fixed 1941170;1570390331;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-06 18:44:29 mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, iirc asciilifeform fixed this and i think also issued vpatch 1941171;1570390341;mp_en_viaje;oh. 1941172;1570390363;asciilifeform;will have to revert it by removing the double-quote support and making from scratch, asciilifeform tried, like complete chump, to use a built-in py knob for it 1941173;1570390405;asciilifeform;the 'shlex' thing. 1941174;1570390406;diana_coman;I wanted to say that I read a bit around the shlex python thing too but I never used it before so still unsure re direct fix 1941175;1570390410;asciilifeform;turns out it's 100% broken 1941176;1570390419;asciilifeform;diana_coman: it has to come back out. 1941177;1570390452;asciilifeform;diana_coman: it was on asciilifeform's chalkboard, but in the cacophony of disconnectism etc neglected it . 1941178;1570390479;asciilifeform;if diana_coman or lobbes get to this 1st, i will later sign & mirror the patch . 1941179;1570390498;asciilifeform;atm asciilifeform is without capability of deploying or even properly testing logotron patches. 1941180;1570390528;asciilifeform;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1941098 << yes !! 1941181;1570390529;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-06 19:25:34 mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, what's wrong with "i will absolutely need a proper packet capture here, the colorful graphs and choice epithets don't help. can you send the relevant .pcap files over please" 1941182;1570390564;*;asciilifeform was in the midst of setting up a (dulap-side, hence would say nuffin re ~total mass~, but at least sumthing re ~type~) probe , but did not live long enuff to finish. 1941183;1570390570;mp_en_viaje;and in general, you knwo, move to reduce unknowns.\ 1941184;1570390572;asciilifeform;( when dulap last was up, meant ) 1941185;1570390708;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Aite sent. 1941186;1570390725;asciilifeform;ty BingoBoingo . re the rest , mp_en_viaje has it 100% , atm we dun even know wtf this was 1941187;1570390765;BingoBoingo;Yesterday's liberating sense of uncertainty solidly replaced today by dreadful sense of uncertainty. 1941188;1570390780;diana_coman;meanwhile production Eulora server unreachable; fwiw the testing server is still reachable. 1941189;1570390812;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: plz equip diana_coman w/ wahtever spare ips available. 1941190;1570390916;diana_coman;asciilifeform: trouble with production server is that people connect to known IP; can't quite ask players to change IP 1941191;1570390925;asciilifeform;this is tru 1941192;1570390939;*;asciilifeform goes to horizontal again, must bbl 1941193;1570391057;mp_en_viaje;yeah, it's not in principle possible to run a game server "with secret ip". moreover, all domain names always resolve to an ip as well, the whole "cloak" bs is ... well, you know. 1941194;1570391305;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: If you find the proposition useful take .230 through .235 for the eulora server 1941195;1570391768;diana_coman;BingoBoingo: sadly for production server I don't think it's useful to change the IP; I suppose we are lucky in that it's now rather than after eulora release. 1941196;1570391821;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1940849 << this is, ultimately, about even odds. 1941197;1570391822;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-06 13:10:55 BingoBoingo: For all I know the DDoS is done by the Cloudflare sales department 1941198;1570391836;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, have we been down since fri basically ? 1941199;1570391856;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: no; it has been up; it failed now when I reported it 1941200;1570391871;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, understand, pre-distributed clients connect to specified ip. there's no easy way to change the ip, as it lives in a config file on player side. 1941201;1570391877;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, ah i see. 1941202;1570391934;mp_en_viaje;well... there's 0 chance anyone connected to irc from THERE, so... 1941203;1570391958;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: DDoS was a thing before Cloudflare, but I don't recall random i.e. without explicit demand DDoS being a thing until Cloudflare came around. 1941204;1570391997;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1940852 << but all life's exam. 1941205;1570391997;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-06 13:12:24 asciilifeform: if it's an exam, we aint passing 1941206;1570392090;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1940853 << this is funny because you're the only one here who had, for years, hosted your blog thus. but yes, untenable in practice. 1941207;1570392091;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-06 13:13:18 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: do you imagine that folx will subscribe to a 'you might have to flip your ip erry 4hrs' isp ? 1941208;1570392222;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1940863 << yeah, wtf can you do. 1941209;1570392222;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-06 13:58:21 asciilifeform: before [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1940777][this] escapes >> read it, and looked useful, until got to the part where python3. 1941210;1570392222;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-06 11:57:00 mp_en_viaje: https://archivebox.io/ << this interesting to anyone btw ? since apparently we're doing a whole lotta python nao ? 1941211;1570392368;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1940879 << i honestly don't think specific derpitude in uruguay is the problem. sales is the problem, and has been, and i expect shall remain. 1941212;1570392368;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-06 14:16:09 asciilifeform: asciilifeform does not expect that anyone will want to ask for his advice re how to do a 2nd isp, if we cede this stalingrad. 1941213;1570392566;diana_coman;now ossasepia.com seems to be down too; is latech again just nullrouting everything or what? 1941214;1570392575;mp_en_viaje;ie, if you had a healthy customer base built in the intervening peacetime, this wouldn't even be much of a problem, per se. and if you don't build same, nothing else will be any kind of solution, no matter what it is, up to and including god's own hand coming down from heavens above holding a shimmering rjack finished in pure samite. 1941215;1570392764;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, listen, take the weekend off / do some writing / whatever you don't need the pizmess for. 1941216;1570392779;mp_en_viaje;there's nothing to be gained by you manning the f5 galley on top of everyone else. 1941217;1570392790;diana_coman;will do. 1941218;1570392829;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: The DNS server IPs are now both down. Shared server is still up. 1941219;1570392882;diana_coman;BingoBoingo: that makes younghands.club up at least; good to hear, thanks. 1941220;1570392926;mp_en_viaje;no, keks. hey hanbot_abroad your blog is down wtf sorta operation are you running there !!eleventy11 1941221;1570392936;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: Not if you are using the qntra name servers instead of a host file to resolve 1941222;1570392978;diana_coman;fuck; those guys were meant to publish their plans+ reviews today, ugh. 1941223;1570393017;mp_en_viaje;heh 1941224;1570393062;mp_en_viaje;pizarro not only failed to bring new blood, but effectually killed other people's efforts at same!!!! 1941225;1570393167;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1940895 << you know, this really should have been discovered and handled at any prior time than when it became a "if quickly" sorta matter. 1941226;1570393167;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-06 14:35:55 asciilifeform: then to hang directly off antel may be the ticket. 1941227;1570393339;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1940903 << this is dubious. no actual data to go on but the generals : there's obviousl;y ganged multi-gb megaswitches available, in actual places where actual transit happens. say frankfurt. i doubt obscure antel of nowhereland has ZERO 100mb lines, and thus in order to get 200mb you have to cut down a 1gb line. seems rather the 100mb is made by welding two 100mb lines togeth 1941228;1570393339;mp_en_viaje;er. 1941229;1570393339;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-06 14:43:59 BingoBoingo: It is appearing that is the case. It seems Latecho is creating our pipe by using a router that splits our bandwith from a bigger Antel pipe coming into Latecho. Rather than having acquired a line for the purpose of serving us, it appears from this crisis and their reaction that they simply contracted more bandwidth to a pipe they already had. 1941230;1570393367;mp_en_viaje;similarily, the routes they (latechco) advertise are discrete at the c-block level, meaning pizarro's allocation is ONE WHOLE ITEM, not a fraction. 1941231;1570393390;mp_en_viaje;thus logically, you have "1 of this and 2 of that", not "1/256 of this and 1/5 of that". 1941232;1570393418;mp_en_viaje;so the notion that "latechco is protecting other derps" can't possibly hold any water : you're the only derps on the two 100mb lines and the one c-block route you pay for. 1941233;1570393422;mp_en_viaje;and if not... wehelllll. 1941234;1570393445;mp_en_viaje;you should in principle should [have been] able to see this, in the fucking dc, as it's visibly self-evident. 1941235;1570393519;mp_en_viaje;if indeed they just hitched you to an existing pipe and pretended, it's time to serve them papers registered with the whatever local intendencia handles business fraud. 1941236;1570393554;mp_en_viaje;claim 2x what you paid during the entire history, let the judge sort it out. 1941237;1570393562;mp_en_viaje;or w/e, their legal dept settle it out. 1941238;1570393595;mp_en_viaje;take out advertising in local paper as to how they defraud businesses, which is perfectly legal if plain statement of claims in ongoing legal proceeding, and there you go. 1941239;1570393656;mp_en_viaje;if not -- not. but YOU'RE THE ONES THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO KNOW THIS. cuz you're the ones fucking living there, whose business this is, and etcetera. wth already. 1941240;1570393753;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1940905 << sure. but it all necessarily starts with at the very least knowing what the fuck world you live on, which planet, what year it is. something! 1941241;1570393754;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-06 14:46:49 asciilifeform: i dun even disagree with mp_en_viaje's [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940686][drop if you can't win] -- but the flip side is that must NOT surrender if still could. 1941242;1570393754;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-05 16:52:01 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940666 << this is sad, but unrelated. you drop the hand when you establish it can't win, not when you decide you "can afford to lose" your imaginary share of the value of the pot. 1941243;1570393754;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-05 12:39:49 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940637 << this is reasonable but will point out that we dun have a spare uruguay , a spare BingoBoingo , or budget to start from 0 with a new cosmonaut. 1941244;1570393781;*;BingoBoingo to walk, visit servers, contemplate failure to grow in the necessary line, search out food, and return to figure out wth else can be done today before going to bed sober again. 1941245;1570393819;mp_en_viaje;enjoy. 1941246;1570396148;mp_en_viaje;http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/todays-ddos.svg << here, for BingoBoingo 's convenience, is today's trilema "ddos" histogram. 1941247;1570396211;mp_en_viaje;this is a very slow day as far as these go ; notwithstanding i just publisjhed a massive, 300 pic, 30mb article yesterday. "ddos" has ~no connection in observed practice to any such practical details, it'll happen whenever some moron / machine gets an erection, not when "you did this or that". 1941248;1570396339;mp_en_viaje;nevertheless, i think it well evinces the "normal traffic" vs "wanna-be retard" disctintion. now what if i were to take ever single graph-obvious ding as a ddos ?! i mean, count them, there's dozens just today -- again, a ~very slow~ day as these go 1941249;1570396592;mp_en_viaje;notice in particular the peaks specifically taylored to 12.5 MBps (aka 100 Mbps, ie what the smallest line is) 1941250;1570397815;lobbes;http://trilema.com/2019/albertina-hurr/ << a++ photos btw. If I weren't so poor I'd suspect I'd move to Vienna today. 1941251;1570397819;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1940758 << nice to hear! I finally got the timestamp delimiters working near the [http://blog.ericbenevides.com/2019/10/trilema-lobbes-log-for-2019-10-06/][end of the log for 2019-10-06] 1941252;1570397819;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-06 08:51:35 mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in other news hey lobbes http://blog.ericbenevides.com/2019/10/trilema-lobbes-log-for-2019-10-03/ an' the rest look exactly right 1941253;1570397825;lobbes;(No selection working on above test blog, so can't link to portion specifically. Though folx can laugh at my solipsistic rantings as they scroll toward the 03:00 mark I suppose) 1941254;1570397832;lobbes;since my [blog.lobbesblog.com][main blog] is stuck in the latech mire atm, I will give my unofficial 'mp-wp-bot week 5 workplan' in the logs: I have virtually all of [http://archive.is/tlh0K][week 4's] work complete, save for the piping in of needed values from the mp-wp-config bits, which I may be able to complete tonight. 1941255;1570397843;lobbes;Week 5 will consist of tying off any loose ends, and continued testing. I also will need to start 'pre-grinding' the code I currently have to 'fork' from the [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3452][direct_disconnect.kv.vpatch] 1941256;1570397847;mp_en_viaje;lobbes, it's ~moderately expensive, but nothing like say san francisco. 1941257;1570397862;lobbes;that is nice to know, actually 1941258;1570397878;mp_en_viaje;eg, going into that museum was 50 euro for 3 1941259;1570397916;mp_en_viaje;cabs are like 2.something euro/km, but EXTREMELY efficient and pleasant, only place in my current travels where cab service was actually on par with cluj in the 90s. 1941260;1570397972;mp_en_viaje;3 day subway pass like 25 euro or so. but the subway here kicks ass, possibly best subsystem anywhere in white folk world. for one thing : NEVER CLOSES. all day, every day, same schedule, many lines, very well distributed, many trains, well signalled, fucking pleasure. 1941261;1570398008;mp_en_viaje;no bums, no garbage, no busking, no great crowding, no complaints even if i went looking for some. 1941262;1570398076;lobbes;it certainly looks clean from the photos. And no bums just sells it more for me 1941263;1570398077;mp_en_viaje;if you have other metrics you use to rank expensiveness lemme know, can prolly fill in. 1941264;1570398117;mp_en_viaje;zek flat in zek zone ~1-1.5k eur/sqm, usually in the 100ish sqm range. 1941265;1570398167;lobbes;problem with der osterreich last time I looked into it, though, was that they required something like 8 years of living to get permanent residence or somesuch. But this was some time ago when I looked into it 1941266;1570398178;mp_en_viaje;why do you care ? 1941267;1570398234;lobbes;guess I can't think of a reason why I would, tbh. Really all I need is an income with what to feed myself. 1941268;1570398257;mp_en_viaje;you're not thinking this right. bratislava is across the water, 30km or so. 1941269;1570398278;mp_en_viaje;3 mo there, 3 mo here, wth, you need paperwork like you need fake tits. 1941270;1570398391;lobbes;this is a point, huh 1941271;1570398401;mp_en_viaje;throw in a belgrade or w/e i fit gets boring. 1941272;1570398422;mp_en_viaje;guaranteed the local cunt beats ~anything you can find in the us, even if you compare escorts only. 1941273;1570398461;mp_en_viaje;but in any case the obesity trend not yet caught on here. 1941274;1570398504;lobbes;I am getting quite tired of the ameri-cunt in general 1941275;1570398538;mp_en_viaje;well, if you live in what was it, west carolina ? north virginia ? 1941276;1570398559;lobbes;exactly... 1941277;1570398576;mp_en_viaje;vienna is more like you know, frisco. 1941278;1570398597;mp_en_viaje;except way better and definitely cheaper. and with an actual history and actually functional and etc. 1941279;1570400942;mp_en_viaje;http://archive.is/HG1yh#selection-23089.0-23103.1 in other lulz. 1941280;1570418410;BingoBoingo;http://archive.is/1sMEN << Exercises in blogging gymnastics 1941281;1570426115;feedbot;http://bingology.net/2019/10/07/i-sit-i-weigh/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- I Sit. I Weigh. 1941282;1570429859;diana_coman;upon asking my moldavian ISP for the data re attack on my server, they sent over a .pcap file + a .pdf file with an analysis; it says max 1.5Gbits/s on Oct 4th; the whole thing seems to be coming in from 8 IPs; I still have to look at the .pdap in detail 1941283;1570430102;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, honestly i ddin't want to use them because moldavia right next to ru geograpically, but i guess they're making it strictly impossible not to. i will have to sit down lobbes' thing somewhere as per our contract, and considering it's been a fucking month ALREADY i'd rather not have it waited, especially indefinitely. 1941284;1570430143;mp_en_viaje;lobbes, when is it you'll need a server to sit down orchestra on ? 1941285;1570430215;mp_en_viaje;meh, http://bingology.net/2019/10/07/i-sit-i-weigh/ not accessible, and i'm guessing was accessible for too short an interval for lobbesbot to archive it, as not avail there either. 1941286;1570430299;mp_en_viaje;o wait, it was given as such. wtf, archive.is is retarded, can't find it by search ? 1941287;1570430308;mp_en_viaje;ooooh i see, dns is down, page saved by i see , i see. doh. 1941288;1570431311;mp_en_viaje;"I volunteered for the Uruguay mission to save Qntra" << i remember that part 1941289;1570431314;mp_en_viaje;man, crazy times. 1941290;1570431668;mp_en_viaje;"the body of work I have written for Qntra" << it is pretty fucking good. i usually read it as it comes out ; but it IS news, so i also read it [http://trilema.com/2011/cum-citesc-eu-ziare/][like i read news], six months to a year+ later. 1941291;1570431668;mp_en_viaje;i can say definitely that outside of ancient newspapers of very narrow scholarly interest [http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-12#497634][eg] and REALLY old versions of europapers ([http://trilema.com/2019/can-you-imagine-what-a-panorama-fartd-be/?b=Frankfurter&e=Zeitung#select][eg]) nothing reads even remotely as well as qntra. 1941292;1570431668;a111;Logged on 2014-02-12 03:05 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'm waiting for the day when one becomes vragnaroda for owning a collection of unexpurgated kvant 1941293;1570431668;mp_en_viaje;the terseness is a restrospectively evident winning principle ; and your handling of the labels-and-references indirection layers just fine. 1941294;1570431756;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941225 - I know. 1941295;1570431756;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-07 03:37:23 mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, honestly i ddin't want to use them because moldavia right next to ru geograpically, but i guess they're making it strictly impossible not to. i will have to sit down lobbes' thing somewhere as per our contract, and considering it's been a fucking month ALREADY i'd rather not have it waited, especially indefinitely. 1941296;1570435586;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo_, i tell you i don't comprehend this defective approach, as seen in "I don't know if I can continue to make camp in Uruguay on Qntra alone or in combination with the local economy of faltas. Maybe I breed rabbits" and elsewhere. 1941297;1570435586;mp_en_viaje;so, you take job running isp, have some time there, do not spend that time to acquire the things someone running isp has and you do not. then later, you're doing whatever it is you're doing for pizarro, it's not clear to me (or, i suspect, to them), but you don't actually acquire ~any~ kind of skills involved. 1941298;1570435586;mp_en_viaje;you're, for the experience, not now an experienced, seasoned dc technician. i was waiting for the word "pcap" to come out of you, as a token show of even having a clue what the fuck this all is -- zilch. 1941299;1570435587;mp_en_viaje;you're, for the experience, not now an experienced sales guy. what are you ? what were these months spent doing ? 1941300;1570435590;mp_en_viaje;you dropped your life to move there, physically, yes. the distance is good, the environment stable, all the conceivable prerequisites for undisturbed, uninterrupted study in place. but have you studied ? what have you studied ? 1941301;1570435594;mp_en_viaje;the days seem to pass like for women, as if the passage itself is a gain alone, as if some kind of implicitly valuable thing is growing in your viscera by itself, in the dark, unknown and incomprehensible, allthewhile all you have to do is keep stuffing food down one end of a digestive tube and evacuate out the other at regular enough intervals -- mariahilf will provide for the rest, for all the rest. 1941302;1570435599;mp_en_viaje;are you pregnant with pizarro, is that the idea ? it's not gonna happen by itself, you know, it has to be ~made~. built, like a thing, product of ~man~'s industry, out of all the parts, individually, each made correctly and exact, all put together as is proper. interesting things are never born, they're always ~made~. 1941303;1570435605;mp_en_viaje;if tomorrow republic declared you a gunsmith, would you put up a shingle reading TMSR Gunsmith and then sit indoors in the dark until kicked out ? [http://trilema.com/2016/the-story-of-elliot-rodger-by-elliot-rodger-adnotated-part-sex/?b=meditating&e=rooftop#select][meditating], maybe ? 1941304;1570435609;mp_en_viaje;for things to exist they have to be made. for things to be made you must know what things there are and how they are made. 1941305;1570435612;mp_en_viaje;did you build yourself the list of all the parts of the thing, and then the complete details of each and every single one of them, that ever historically existed, and the practical dexterities of making them all and so on ? 1941306;1570435615;mp_en_viaje;did you spend your time poring over "how does networking work ?" "what is connectivity ?" how many dc maps did you review, how many dc people did you talk to and what about, did you bother to learn the global connectivity map by heart, just as a fuckyou to the darkness, "look, i can trace all the main lines people spent millions / meter to even lay in the first place, you can't even draw the fucking planisphere and i can dra 1941307;1570435620;mp_en_viaje;w it with the threads of connectivity, because you're not fit to be a citizen of the 1950s when they put the man on the moon and i belong, i firmly and substantially belong in the 2000s, when we have undersea cables" ? 1941308;1570435623;mp_en_viaje;if i show you that indeed peering arrangements are trivially reviewable over the internet you then apply it, that's fine, but why do I have to show you, you were there for all these years and never did it occur to you to look ? why not ? you did not know dcs peer, for instance ? it never occured to you that they must ? why not ? what's needed, other than me showing you specifically, for it to occur ? 1941309;1570435628;mp_en_viaje;there's ten thousand details, just like that, and you can eat or try to eat or byte or whatever a few each day, and more each week, and then week after week after week you eat the whole thing. this is how the world was built, because no part of it was yet borne by woman, all was built, by men, laying brick on brick and rivet on rail and each and every part individually without exception all the way from the bottom to the ver 1941310;1570435635;mp_en_viaje;y tip. 1941311;1570435637;mp_en_viaje;nor is this disease of passivity yours alone. asciilifeform is in the ~same position, at some point he became the manager of a venture ? whatevs. how and what did this alter in his life ? ~same as for the "[http://trilema.com/2016/asscience/][surprised by wealth]" tard, he was surprised by management, it became ~an attribute~, like alopecia, or a skin tumour. he worries about it, sometimes, especially when i say mean, hurtfu 1941312;1570435642;mp_en_viaje;l things and toxicfacts. then he feels better about it, later. 1941313;1570435644;mp_en_viaje;he's studied ~nothing, he's changed to no degree, he's just waiting for it to come out of his fucking birth canal already so his ankles unswell and he can walk without a swaddle again. of course, they'll probably impregnate him again later, they, the unknown, the unspeakable fates, these shadowy men he doesn't know the name of nor can even look in the face of, they just come at night and fuck him pregnant, and then he's stuc 1941314;1570435649;mp_en_viaje;k for another however long with some incomprehensible thing he's really trying to insulate his own identity from. 1941315;1570435652;mp_en_viaje;if you don't study and practice to be a manager, you will never be one, except in contexts such as "a disappointing manager". if you don't study and practice to be a dc tech, you will never be one either. nothing you will be, unless you study and practice that thing, and these are not idle words, they're day after day and hour after hour ~actual~ activity. 1941316;1570435669;mp_en_viaje;so you're going to... raise rabits ? what possible sense can this fucking make, it's this concept of the failure personified, instead of raising above the minimum bar you plan to entrench it as an insuperable maximum ? 1941317;1570435749;mp_en_viaje;is this some kind of failure worship, you get a scholarship to go to university, do not meaningfully show up to any class, then when they come to evict you from your dorm room you "figure out a way" to hang a rainproof sheet from the fire hydrant, "make yourself a shelter", "hey, it's a skill also" ? 1941318;1570435810;mp_en_viaje;it's not a fucking skill, surviving through ad-hocisms is not manly. it's the exact equivalent of becoming a transvestite, except not bothering with the exterior aspect of the matter, a woman trapped in a man's body slightly differently than the twinks. 1941319;1570435927;mp_en_viaje;you're going to be the guy who went to uruguay to establish republican isp who instead started subsistence farming ? the man from the future turned into the dead of the past ?! become a fucking guarani now ?! 1941320;1570437664;mp_en_viaje;anyways, im traveling today, so shall bbl. 1941321;1570450650;mp_en_viaje;o hai 1941322;1570450662;*;mp_en_viaje is en route to linz no less. all hail modern technology. 1941323;1570451906;mp_en_viaje;also i've been trying to read [http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks03/0300441h.html][shaw's attempt] at a charles play. 1941324;1570451964;mp_en_viaje;i can follow along with the man, "hey, restoration comedy as a vehicle for the trade in meats, yet another-eth attempt at selling whatever young cunt's hips, thigs, waist and tits under the flimsy pretext & distraction of "being" moll whatever is outstandingly uninteresting 1941325;1570452063;mp_en_viaje;it is, i'm with him. there;s also no need to keep pretending "new titles" for porn films. you need... i dunno, mAAAAybe a few dozen, [http://trilema.com/2016/what-is-the-leyla-black/][pre-given] and fixed forever ; then keep re-shooting them ~as such~ every time there's a new cunt comes off the highschool benches juicy enough to justify the effort. 1941326;1570452147;mp_en_viaje;"class of 2019 does the [http://trilema.com/2016/just-call-me-annah/?b=Then&e=behind#select][soubrette presentation]" is legitimate pron ; and naught else really is. 1941327;1570452197;mp_en_viaje;which yes, liberates threatre itself from the directly munane requirements of the trade in meats. if you want to get a better price for the prize heifer you raised, get her a "leaked tape", don't try and put her in a play. alright, all good. 1941328;1570452239;mp_en_viaje;then he moves on to point out that the only source of interest is... encounters. meeting. "what if newton knew charles ?" is the mother of all theatre. i can see this, it makes perfect sense, and it's the exact sort of stroke of utter genius that makes shaw have a name in the first place. 1941329;1570452340;mp_en_viaje;oedipus rex is nothing else and naught besides "what if jocasta met oedipus". that they coincidentally did meet, whereas newton and charles coincidentally didn't meet is irrelevant. it's the lot of the greeks to only write a bout encounters that took place, through lack of correct numeration system to permit them egress from their simple naivity. but we have better representation systems, so we can write better thestre. 1941330;1570452344;mp_en_viaje;excellent, i'm with him. 1941331;1570452352;mp_en_viaje;"and then," he follows, "george fox was great". 1941332;1570452372;mp_en_viaje;as a factual matter, george fox was an offensive good for nothing know it all whose memory is not wort hpissing on. 1941333;1570452385;mp_en_viaje;essence of old woman what the fuck! 1941334;1570452398;mp_en_viaje;and THEN, to balance out the political unbearable idiocy, he wants to also add an artist. 1941335;1570452402;mp_en_viaje;who does he want to add ? 1941336;1570452440;mp_en_viaje;fucking hogwash, of "a rake's progress" and "marriage a la mode" fame. 1941337;1570452454;mp_en_viaje;motherfucker, is this thing written by bowdler himself or what the fuck ?! 1941338;1570452517;mp_en_viaje;then his idea of showing just how brilliant newton is, is to add logarithms to do multiplications and to tell some eager barrista her lifetime in seconds. because TOTALLY, this is exactly NOT historical newton, but an insulting parody made by the illiterate, with no fucking point of contact ewith actual reality besides the name. 1941339;1570452566;mp_en_viaje;if newton was dumb enoguh to approach 3*7 via log and "antilog", he'd never have been "known by the claw", because no fucking claw here. in point of fact, the man was specificaslly famous for NOT doing the equivalent of the log detour, in situations where nobodyu else knew the direct route. 1941340;1570452633;mp_en_viaje;and then, inverosimilously, his housekeeper, who memorized 3*6 and 3*8 as such, as pure symbols, "why 2 schillings and not 9 glubghsh?" does not know 21. because what the fuck, she's only been doing this for decades and it just didn't stick in her mind. she's a 6yo 50yo very respecable moron. 1941341;1570452649;mp_en_viaje;and THEN charles is this guy who;s gonna pick up any maid he sees, because totally. 1941342;1570452670;mp_en_viaje;i fail to see the difference between this shaw and yesterdays moron with the vasectomized real men. i do. it's not fucking present 1941343;1570452673;mp_en_viaje;motherfucker. 1941344;1570452827;mp_en_viaje;i've over the years reviewed a lot of widely distant grant proposals and then deliveries on those proposals ; but shaw's play here discussed is by very far the most disjunct. i feel defrauded. 1941345;1570452883;mp_en_viaje;and THEN he has newton go into fucking monologue, like wanna-be shakespeare, "oh i am so and forth and my parents and my curse", what is he, fucking bastiano ? 1941346;1570452890;mp_en_viaje;god damn it all to heck 1941347;1570456035;mp_en_viaje;aite well, hello linz, and bbl again. 1941348;1570458870;*;asciilifeform wakes up, tests, dulap still lost in space . 1941349;1570459092;asciilifeform;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941224 << can i persuade diana_coman to share that pcap ? dulap ended up unplugged just before i could set up tcpdump on it . 1941350;1570459092;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-07 06:32:48 diana_coman: upon asking my moldavian ISP for the data re attack on my server, they sent over a .pcap file + a .pdf file with an analysis; it says max 1.5Gbits/s on Oct 4th; the whole thing seems to be coming in from 8 IPs; I still have to look at the .pdap in detail 1941351;1570459145;asciilifeform;and holyfuq, just 8 ?!!! and the fucking orcs put ~destination~ in blackhole, and not the 8 sources?!!! 1941352;1570459181;asciilifeform;i'm persuaded that the latech dummkopfs ~also~ have nfi what is pcap. 1941353;1570459274;asciilifeform;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941240 << this is entirely good q. 1941354;1570459275;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-07 08:08:16 mp_en_viaje: you're, for the experience, not now an experienced sales guy. what are you ? what were these months spent doing ? 1941355;1570459550;asciilifeform;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941252 << [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-08-24#1930645][ asciilifeform is not the manager , even if has been forced to pick up the grenade ] , BingoBoingo is still in that chair. and as mp aptly observes, asciilifeform is approx same grade of manager as he is violinist. 1941356;1570459550;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-07 08:09:06 mp_en_viaje: nor is this disease of passivity yours alone. asciilifeform is in the ~same position, at some point he became the manager of a venture ? whatevs. how and what did this alter in his life ? ~same as for the "[http://trilema.com/2016/asscience/][surprised by wealth]" tard, he was surprised by management, it became ~an attribute~, like alopecia, or a skin tumour. he worries about it, sometimes, especially when i say m 1941357;1570459550;ericbot;Logged on 2019-08-24 13:08:36 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: more like 'if colonel aint answering, major will have to act on own position w/out answer!' 1941358;1570459803;asciilifeform;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941254 << asciilifeform also not wwwist, but had to pick up e.g. the logotron, because no one else stood up. this is what happens when dire shortage of manpower. 1941359;1570459803;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-07 08:09:13 mp_en_viaje: he's studied ~nothing, he's changed to no degree, he's just waiting for it to come out of his fucking birth canal already so his ankles unswell and he can walk without a swaddle again. of course, they'll probably impregnate him again later, they, the unknown, the unspeakable fates, these shadowy men he doesn't know the name of nor can even look in the face of, they just come at night and fuck him pregnant, and the 1941360;1570459881;asciilifeform;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941253 << this, however, mistake. does not 'feel better'. asciilifeform in fact maintains a list of various where mp told him 'yer incorrigible idjit and hands grow from arse', it is quite long. 1941361;1570459882;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-07 08:09:11 mp_en_viaje: l things and toxicfacts. then he feels better about it, later. 1941362;1570460048;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941290 - you know, I *want to* publish it but I have no working blog. 1941363;1570460048;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-07 11:40:34 asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941224 << can i persuade diana_coman to share that pcap ? dulap ended up unplugged just before i could set up tcpdump on it . 1941364;1570460049;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-07 06:32:48 diana_coman: upon asking my moldavian ISP for the data re attack on my server, they sent over a .pcap file + a .pdf file with an analysis; it says max 1.5Gbits/s on Oct 4th; the whole thing seems to be coming in from 8 IPs; I still have to look at the .pdap in detail 1941365;1570460082;asciilifeform;diana_coman: hrm last i was at console, ossasepia was reachable. but nao indeed not!!! 1941366;1570460092;asciilifeform;ditto qntra 1941367;1570460107;asciilifeform;apparently whole orchestra dead in water? BingoBoingo are you alive in there ? wtf ? 1941368;1570460123;diana_coman;it's been unreachable since yesterday evening (or at least that's when I checked and found out nope) 1941369;1570460163;asciilifeform;grr 1941370;1570460230;asciilifeform;unsurprising tho, ddostron likely switched to the remaining working ips, and the latech derps added them also to blackhole. 1941371;1570460254;diana_coman;asciilifeform: re data in any case, it's the initial incident, I didn't specifically ask them for *all requests to my server*; I asked them exactly for "attack", apparently some 8 minutes on Friday before they updated their rules and got rid of it pretty much. 1941372;1570460278;asciilifeform;diana_coman: right 1941373;1570460316;asciilifeform;exactly as latech would have if it were run by people and not monkeys 1941374;1570460413;asciilifeform;diana_coman: if BingoBoingo is in the cage nao, bazaring w/ latech, as was proclaimed ( and not, saw, cowering in a hole ) i expect today we'll get something resembling an answer. 1941375;1570460421;asciilifeform;* not, say 1941376;1570460421;diana_coman;asciilifeform: tbh that's the mind-boggling thing ie what exactly are/were latech doing; and I'd say BingoBoingo_ goes there with a flamethrower and doesn't leave until he finds out. 1941377;1570460439;diana_coman;hopefully. 1941378;1570460544;diana_coman;wb BingoBoingo 1941379;1570460549;asciilifeform;atm it seems that not 1 single box is reachable. 1941380;1570460554;*;asciilifeform waves to BingoBoingo 1941381;1570460654;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: In the morning's hopper http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=Xr-u 1941382;1570460715;asciilifeform;'We are working on that with the ISP.' << who's 'the isp' ? antel ? can we cut out the layer of 'we' who 'are working with isp' ?! 1941383;1570460742;asciilifeform;cuz that 'we' dun seem to be worth a dime 1941384;1570460800;asciilifeform;( why was diana_coman's 'we' able to digest the whole thing in <10min, and our 'we' takes 4days and still aint digested ? ) 1941385;1570460876;asciilifeform;hey BingoBoingo they have an office in there, don't they ? why are you stuck waiting for email replies ? go there 1941386;1570460890;diana_coman;BingoBoingo: can you actually talk directly to anyone there and find out exactly, specifically, concretely just *what* they have been doing, step by step, since Friday attack-time until now? 1941387;1570460960;diana_coman;because so far from the info coming out they have been doing just one thing, namely nullrouting your IPs and precisely nothing else. 1941388;1570460966;asciilifeform;^ 1941389;1570461005;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Phone call this morning, waiting on a call back 1941390;1570461020;diana_coman;BingoBoingo: did they not even answer or why call back 1941391;1570461021;diana_coman;? 1941392;1570461022;BingoBoingo;No .pcap 1941393;1570461035;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: how come it has to be via phone ? i was in that thing, there was a glass box with bipeds in it 1941394;1570461036;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: Someone is in a meeting/wants to talk to me 1941395;1570461067;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Lower bipeds on pyramid of pretense in glass box 1941396;1570461097;asciilifeform;and how about the actually in-command bipeds ? they are in brazil or where ? why can't get to'em in person ? 1941397;1570461100;diana_coman;so they should get out of that "meeting" and talk already; you've been waiting *since Friday* for them to "talk to me", don't take anymore waiting because you really don't have much time left for waiting 1941398;1570461157;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: They are either in the freezone nearby or aguada park on the other side of time 1941399;1570461161;BingoBoingo;town 1941400;1570461184;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: dun tell me you dun even know where?! 1941401;1570461191;asciilifeform;find where. and go there. holyfuq. 1941402;1570461254;asciilifeform;or wat, we're paying $maxint, and this doesn't come with a fucking door to bang on?! 1941403;1570461274;BingoBoingo;But we do have Oscars: "We are working on that with the ISP. As soon as we get the information we will send you." showing they in all likelyhood don't know what pcap is 1941404;1570461316;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The freezone office is door, behind a couple doors I don't have keys too 1941405;1570461362;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: so, you show up there with a copy of the fucking signed contract, and 0 doors will open?! 1941406;1570461376;asciilifeform;what kinda africa is this?! 1941407;1570461530;BingoBoingo;Aite, I have paper contract in hand 1941408;1570461531;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: seems to me that we're being elementarily defrauded, and that the very next thing to do will be to get whatever passes for attourney in that shithole. 1941409;1570461579;asciilifeform;megabux -- in, bullshit -- out. this is actionable even in zimbabwe. 1941410;1570461620;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: now, find that door. and if phone rings while yer fighting the guards, you can pick up. 1941411;1570461653;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Going towards door 1941412;1570461658;asciilifeform;aite. 1941413;1570461663;*;asciilifeform going towards tea, brb. 1941414;1570463965;*;asciilifeform back. 1941415;1570464063;*;asciilifeform waits for word from the front. 1941416;1570464266;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941226 << The 'first chunk' which spits lines into the mpwp db should be complete by the end of this month (as in patched and ready to go). That's a conservative estimate as well; hopefully sooner. 1941417;1570464266;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-07 06:37:31 mp_en_viaje: lobbes, when is it you'll need a server to sit down orchestra on ? 1941418;1570464269;lobbes;The second chunk, which includes the searching and pingbacks portion, I am not sure yet. 1941419;1570464444;lobbes;not sure if you want to wait for whole thing to be done to sit it down, or will want to deploy piecemeal as well 1941420;1570464745;lobbes;in other news, yesterday afternoon my right eyelid inexplicably became very swollen. Woke up today and it is even worse. Slightly concerning; may need to seek doctor. Made log reading a challenge this morning at any rate 1941421;1570464749;*;lobbes bbl 1941422;1570464792;diana_coman;lobbes: any chance some spider/insect simply bit you? it can get very spectacular but nothing to do with the eye itself. 1941423;1570464819;asciilifeform;diana_coman: happens to asciilifeform regularly, in this swampy penal colony. 1941424;1570467031;asciilifeform;meanwhile, diana_coman , lobbes , i'ma have to regrind the latest patch, it is defective (and not simply on acct of the double quotes thing) , apparently in 'a' of diff had wrong copy of MANIFEST . 1941425;1570467169;diana_coman;asciilifeform: I have pressed only to active_disconnect, not further 1941426;1570467171;lobbes;asciilifeform: roger that. I've yet to deploy latest patch anyways, so this'll work out 1941427;1570467179;asciilifeform;this is why no one complained 1941428;1570467208;asciilifeform;it's braindamaged tho and i'ma have to do it again, made coarse error of pilotage when vdiffing 1941429;1570467232;asciilifeform;will make the removal of the broken doublequote thing a separate patch tho. 1941430;1570467301;asciilifeform;or hm i ought to check again for 3rd time 1941431;1570467363;asciilifeform;ok i was wrong, in fact was missing 'sept_errata' in the test press. 1941432;1570467369;asciilifeform;'detect_disconnect' is a valid patch. 1941433;1570467386;asciilifeform;(however does not include removal of the doublequote thing, will be in next.) 1941434;1570467388;asciilifeform;false alarm. 1941435;1570467397;lobbes;kk 1941436;1570467411;*;asciilifeform was quite ready to believe that he fucked even this, after last coupla days 1941437;1570467441;lobbes;in that case I will deploy detect_disconnect tonight methinks. The mp-wp bot will probably end up forking from this point in the logotron tree as well 1941438;1570467455;asciilifeform;tips for fyooyoor vtronicists : if press barfs that cannot find antecedent, use the 'o' (origin) knob on the unfound hash. will say if is even in tree anywhere 1941439;1570467487;asciilifeform;lobbes: the autodisconnector in fact was thoroughly tested, while dulap was 'half alive' on sat. 1941440;1570467525;asciilifeform;i had a chance to deploy right before the pipe's last epileptic fit . 1941441;1570467558;lobbes;asciilifeform: aha, I did notice it detected the disconnects like a champ 1941442;1570467607;asciilifeform;lobbes: it's a very simple mechanism. could probably be made moar sensitive ( turn knob down from 180 ) but it'd create a risk of spurious disconnects. 1941443;1570467624;asciilifeform;so far 180 seems like entirely reasonable value to asciilifeform . 1941444;1570467700;asciilifeform;hrm i prolly oughta patch vtron so that actually gives detailed barf when encounters an apparently 'martian' antecedent, and for ~all~ such encounters in full list. 1941445;1570467706;asciilifeform;( but when will get to do this, do not know atm ) 1941446;1570467761;asciilifeform;( atm the barf you get if you , like asciilifeform , hamhandedly forgot to include a patch in 'patches' , is cryptic ) 1941447;1570467795;asciilifeform;a press that stops on 'MANIFEST' is dead giveaway tho. 1941448;1570468010;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941363 << could be insect (def. buggy here much like asciilifeform-istan). Though there are no visible 'bumps' that would indicate a bite. I've been prone to "styes" before as well, but in this case it is a more uniform swelling of the entire lid vs a stye which tends to be focused on one area. 1941449;1570468010;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-07 16:15:02 diana_coman: lobbes: any chance some spider/insect simply bit you? it can get very spectacular but nothing to do with the eye itself. 1941450;1570468019;lobbes;Though, now that I think of it, I may have just inadvertently scratched the inside of my eyelid the other day while rubbing it; irritation seemed to begin after that event. I'll let it alone and give it until tomorrow in any case before seeing doctor (perhaps save some time/money this way) 1941451;1570468053;*;lobbes back to saeculum for a spell 1941452;1570468839;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Back. I went to the freezone office, persisted at Latecho's intercom lock long enough to discover Maximiliano and Oscar together in the Tower 4 datacenter which houses our rack. Unlike the couple times last night where I visited a cool datacenter, it was hot and loud with the noise of angry fans. They declared that this isn't normal and that they had tried a routine "maneuver" with the air conditioners which failed. After 1941453;1570468839;BingoBoingo;they washed their hands we proceeded the quieter coffee shop one floor up for the breaking of the balls. On the way up I mentioned how a client's other datacenter in "third world moldavia" managed to sent .pcaps and detailed information. I was told the files they have are not .pcaps but "huge", I told them I want them anyways, that more than anything I need all the information because 'this first week of October has already settled that 1941454;1570468840;BingoBoingo;there will be zero nines of uptime for October.' That point kept being repeated... (coffee shop continuation next message) 1941455;1570469098;BingoBoingo;I paid for my own coffe drink called a 'lagrima' in cash and waited as they fiddled with the Pasawar Intl billing information to order their drinks. Oscar did seem inclined to forward information, but Maximiliano, like his predecessor Rodrigo interjected a couple times that he wants the information passed when "the situation is resolved". Each of these interjections was answered with "I am running a business" and repetition of the point 1941456;1570469098;BingoBoingo;that there will be no nines of uptime this month. (there's more) 1941457;1570469457;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: let's have the more 1941458;1570469496;asciilifeform;'maneuver with air conditioners?' what is this, chernobyl reactor 4 ?! 1941459;1570469497;BingoBoingo;They were pressed several times on the BGP question and Antel's listing as their major peer. They denied Antel and instead repeatedly claimed they hired our pipe out to "Dedicado" (Local firm mostly sells radio point to point IP connections in areas without Antel) and that Dedicado's upsteam CENTURYLINK!!! was not being very helpful in responding to Dedicado or their requests. They declared "Century Link is the Biggest Global ISP, the 1941460;1570469498;BingoBoingo;only other non-Antel option they could have pursued in country is Telefonica/Movistar. Maxi boy appeared legitimately shocked when I pointed out Telefonica was shopping their Uruguay operation Pretrobras style and looking for an exit. Maximiliano said he was unfamiliar with that news. He his face contorted like an injured child's when I told him the news was in the local papers recently (there's more) 1941461;1570469532;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I am submitting this testimony as I recollect it while it is fresh. 1941462;1570469540;asciilifeform;aite, won't interrupt 1941463;1570470013;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: plox to continue ? 1941464;1570470036;BingoBoingo;They did mention they and dedicado were looking into "Arbor", this suggest that they googled DDoS mitigation. Maxi offered 1 MONTH as the timeframe to implement a reasonably stable solution other than blackholing. I responded that if that is the case, I am going to need ALL the information and I am going to need it now. There were deflections to Century Link and the wait there, and I responded with CenturyLink's notoriously poor 1941465;1570470037;BingoBoingo;customer service and that their ASN's BGP declares Pasawar Intl peers with Antel. When pressed on what would happen if this was Antel I received a lot of "I dunno" and head hanging. (there's more) 1941466;1570470134;BingoBoingo;At one point they did ask IF I HAD ANY INFORMATION! I responded no. I received no ransom notes or anything that suggests an attack. (there's more) 1941467;1570470426;BingoBoingo;After leaving with Oscar's assurance informaiton will be sent and with the final request that I do receive everything, I swung by Tienda Inglesa and bought a hand truck because I'll probably need one. I arrived back at the desk to see one email from Maxi asking if I could send him my phone number again because my Movistar Uruguay phone number doesn't appear to be a Uruguay phone number. I have yet to receive a datadump or link to a data 1941468;1570470426;BingoBoingo;dump from Oscar. (now to answer asciilifeform's first question in as much detail and context as I can) 1941469;1570470577;asciilifeform;the other q , BingoBoingo , is : who the hell is maximiliano ? is he the chairman of latech ? ( cuz if not, what happened to [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941351][this] ?? ) 1941470;1570470578;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-07 15:22:09 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: now, find that door. and if phone rings while yer fighting the guards, you can pick up. 1941471;1570470591;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Just as concerning as the Airconditioner fuckup is who was addressing it. When you were here, you met Joaquim who is(was?) the guy in the glass box. He did glass box stuff. I have no earthly idea why Maxi the sales manager and Oscar the Telecom manager were THE PEOPLE to be fucking with the air conditioners. 1941472;1570470638;BingoBoingo;There was a poor miserable looking girl in the glass box as a the receptionist. 1941473;1570470640;asciilifeform;fucking orcs. they went to sabotage the heat exchanger so could then blame delay on 'cooling problem', didnt they. 1941474;1570470646;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Maximillian is the sales manager. 1941475;1570470793;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: for the handtruck there will be time later, when folx actually start to demand evacuation. presently you ought to be visiting 1) chairman's office, w/ contract in hand, and ready to explain exactly what will happen if service not restored (and compensation paid ). 2nd stop -- http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1941177 , 3rd -- law office . 1941476;1570470793;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-06 20:27:07 mp_en_viaje: if indeed they just hitched you to an existing pipe and pretended, it's time to serve them papers registered with the whatever local intendencia handles business fraud. 1941477;1570470855;BingoBoingo;I suspect Latecho's situation degraded substantially and recently within the past month. It appears the folks who could run things quit or were chased out. Despite a recently installed giant multirack cage I assume is some streaming cache in the datacenter, Latecho does not appear healthy. 1941478;1570470886;BingoBoingo;And yes, It appears it is time to start shopping the case for litigation 1941479;1570470935;asciilifeform;it won't surprise me if turns out that latech is actually bankrupt. 1941480;1570470959;asciilifeform;that dc was less % full than our rack. 1941481;1570471038;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: are you ready to execute 1->2->3 ? 1941482;1570471079;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Recently it filled up big. Someone put in a huged controlled access fence taking up 1 new aisle of Tower 4 and their racks are full. But yes I suspect they may be bankrupt/insolvent. 1941483;1570471093;asciilifeform;[http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941338][ diana_coman was entirely right ], there is no moar time for waitings, BingoBoingo . 1941484;1570471093;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-07 15:13:29 diana_coman: so they should get out of that "meeting" and talk already; you've been waiting *since Friday* for them to "talk to me", don't take anymore waiting because you really don't have much time left for waiting 1941485;1570471110;asciilifeform;no moar 'they will call me whenever, nfi when' 1941486;1570471185;asciilifeform;time now , is for counterattack. 1941487;1570471276;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I am ready to get rolling on 2-3. I suspect the target of 1 is in hiding. The contract was on the table as we discussed at the coffee shop. They looked at it and apeared to recognize what it was. I did not reference it or its text, but it was visible. 1941488;1570471345;BingoBoingo;Before I get rolling on that I do want to address something up log. 1941489;1570471518;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: target can be in hiding all he likes, if he continues when the papers are served, we get default judgement neh. 1941490;1570471527;asciilifeform;ianal but even in fucking ru this is open&shut case 1941491;1570471899;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-10-07#1941319 << I didn't manage to find the Trilema I wanted to link on that point. In the line I wanted to link you said something to the point of "raise rabbits, or do anything", I intend to litigate the Latecho issue, get more involved in National Party politics, etc. I wanted to honestly capture the despair my failure wrought on myself for myself and to read myself. And I feel less pregnant and more 1941492;1570471899;a111;Logged on 2019-10-07 08:12 mp_en_viaje: you're going to be the guy who went to uruguay to establish republican isp who instead started subsistence farming ? the man from the future turned into the dead of the past ?! become a fucking guarani now ?! 1941493;1570471899;BingoBoingo;married with respect to Pizarro. Yes I can see my approach as defective. I may need to do remedial work in Diana's schoolhouse. 1941494;1570471983;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I suspect mp may have something useful to weight in with respect to knocking on chairman's door with contract first, or knocking on chairman's door with service papers first. 1941495;1570472117;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: well mp's giving a meat violin concerto or the like atm. and time is of the essence. so i will say, chairman 1st, for so long as BingoBoingo knows the obvious thing to say (i.e. pointedly NOT 'pleez dear sir can haz pipe back' but instead 'this is about the continued solvency of your company, the next conversation will involve barrister, now let's have working pipe, guarantees, and compensation' ) 1941496;1570472224;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I do not know how wise it is to tip the litigation hand and giving them warning. 1941497;1570472257;BingoBoingo;Warning with which they could use to rush their probably inevitable bankruptcy filing 1941498;1570472281;asciilifeform;well atm the fucker thinks he is stomping a defenseless insect. important to convey that he is mistaken. 1941499;1570472332;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: let'em file. BingoBoingo will be in the courthouse with the other creditors. 1941500;1570472780;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: understand that waiting will accomplish nothing. even supposing the mario & luigi derps come back and 'we fixed pipe, promise it won't happen again' it WILL happen again. week, month, year, later, and whole story will repeat. 1941501;1570472824;asciilifeform;atm we dun have a working isp, BingoBoingo . we MAYBE will have with what to build one, if the culprits are made to pay. 1941502;1570472894;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: didja ask , btw, that monkey, who said 'month', what we are expected to do for 'month' ? suck thumbs ? 1941503;1570472921;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: At this point, based on the previous conversation, there seems to be in no person at Latecho or Dedicado who can get us pipe. I am inclined to begin auditioning commercial litigation folk this afternoon. 1941504;1570472940;asciilifeform;they're in breach of the contract BingoBoingo . elementarily. we've been paying for pipe, and aint getting no piping !! 1941505;1570472944;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I did. His face went dumb 1941506;1570473042;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: They are, they are not sharing information in line with the industry standards they are expected to perform to, and we need to extract compensation from them from which to build euro-ISP or whatever. 1941507;1570473046;asciilifeform;hm BingoBoingo what does that radio pipe cost ? 1941508;1570473056;asciilifeform;i was able to get '3g' gsm in that bunker. 1941509;1570473065;asciilifeform;from where was it ? 1941510;1570473081;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: They run fiber to the DC, but radio is what they provide to consumers and small businesses in remote areas. 1941511;1570473307;BingoBoingo;I would like to spend the rest of this afternoon productively setting up lawyer auditions with my copy of the contract and the local Código de Commercio 1941512;1570473312;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: wasn't suggesting this as a long-term connectivity. but atm we even lack means of seeing wtf is happening in the cage. 1941513;1570473337;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: aite. watch for mp waking up, i expect he'll have what to add to this . 1941514;1570473373;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Last night the machines were cool and accessible locally on the switch. Today they are probably still hot and angry. 1941515;1570473426;asciilifeform;( after he's done w/ the current session of 'both of you have arse for a head and i oughta have thrown you into sea like two-headed kittens long ago' but expect will have what to add ) 1941516;1570473469;BingoBoingo;I am too dumbfounded by what I heard today to believe any hard won minutes of uptime is going to be more revealing than working to begin litigation and forcing them to divulge in court. 1941517;1570473501;asciilifeform;there is no moar avoiding of the law office an' the court, BingoBoingo 1941518;1570473502;BingoBoingo;Especially when diana_coman's moldavian ISP offered .pcap showing 8 IPs while Oscar said thousands. 1941519;1570473512;asciilifeform;unless they somehow find money in sofa cushion to settle 1941520;1570473537;BingoBoingo;All of them doing TCP SYN without getting my dumps requested in person ours ago. 1941521;1570473564;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Then we recoup value for yourself and mod6 from which to sprinboard next thing. 1941522;1570473601;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 1st we hear from mp ; then to start taking reqs for evacuations. 1941523;1570473649;asciilifeform;asciilifeform does not have anyffin personally owned in the cage. there is snsa iron, mp will be who decides when to evacuate. others -- themselves, ditto. 1941524;1570473707;asciilifeform;same i believe goes for smg. 1941525;1570473717;asciilifeform;trinque, mod6 , i think are the remaining. ^ 1941526;1570473718;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Aite. I'm going to give my mind digest and re-read time and then head out to knock on a couple doors to see who is hungry. 1941527;1570473735;asciilifeform;aite. 1941528;1570473793;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo 1 moar thing : 1941529;1570473812;asciilifeform;get the sealed FG stockpile outta there, and into somewhere well-hidden. 1941530;1570473864;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I am going to be headed in the datacenter direction. Will make sure nothing's on fire and rescue those irreplaceables. 1941531;1570473869;asciilifeform;ty BingoBoingo . 1941532;1570474708;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: About to head out the door. Orders have been issued to the Venezolanas to probe their networks for independent abogado/as with a manner uncommonly agressive for Uruguay with time to dedicate to a case pursuing maximum damages under the comemrcial and criminal codes for selling a faulty product advertised as first class for which just under 3000 USD a month has been paid the past 21 months. Going now to knock on a few 1941533;1570474708;BingoBoingo;doors with the same pitch. 1941534;1570474793;asciilifeform;goodluck BingoBoingo 1941535;1570475001;BingoBoingo;I want blood. You want blood. It's time to find some vampires to expedite the harvest. Morcilla is on the menu. 1941536;1570477290;*;asciilifeform tested, for good measure, pipe, 100% stone-dead, incl. uy1. 1941537;1570477843;asciilifeform;wb mp_en_viaje 1941538;1570477849;mp_en_viaje;heya 1941539;1570477900;mp_en_viaje;o noes, original logger still dead ? 1941540;1570477925;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i rec to eat log ( via diana_coman or lobbes ) in 1stpass 1941541;1570477938;asciilifeform;logger aint the only thing that's dead. 1941542;1570477951;mp_en_viaje;im doin' just that. 1941543;1570477955;asciilifeform;ty mp_en_viaje 1941544;1570478143;mp_en_viaje;meanwhile apropos of nothing, https://i.pinimg.com/736x/72/11/52/7211525863efabfe9f1b7bb3c2b91842--human-cow-cow-girl.jpg 1941545;1570478173;asciilifeform;ty again mp_en_viaje , needed 1 of these . 1941546;1570478314;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941290 << she was gonna, but then... SHE DIDNT HAVE WHERE 1941547;1570478314;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-07 11:40:34 asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941224 << can i persuade diana_coman to share that pcap ? dulap ended up unplugged just before i could set up tcpdump on it . 1941548;1570478314;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-07 06:32:48 diana_coman: upon asking my moldavian ISP for the data re attack on my server, they sent over a .pcap file + a .pdf file with an analysis; it says max 1.5Gbits/s on Oct 4th; the whole thing seems to be coming in from 8 IPs; I still have to look at the .pdap in detail 1941549;1570478343;mp_en_viaje;my whore spent a day crying in linz station. she'd also have penned a piece, who knows, mayhap master reads ? but, blog unavailable. 1941550;1570478365;mp_en_viaje;by now the pile of fucked things is pretty consistent. 1941551;1570478385;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: plox to eat that 1stpass. nuffing's available. 1941552;1570478418;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941292 << the 8 were hers not yours tho. 1941553;1570478419;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-07 11:41:27 asciilifeform: and holyfuq, just 8 ?!!! and the fucking orcs put ~destination~ in blackhole, and not the 8 sources?!!! 1941554;1570478490;asciilifeform;^ entirely tru. but whothefuq even does ddos for ~anyone~ with 8 ? and how would these even be detectable as ddoslike. 1941555;1570478521;mp_en_viaje;i dunno such detection happened, dude was asked weird q, sent over a capture, "closest item to what you ask for". at least was my read. 1941556;1570478535;asciilifeform;entirely possib 1941557;1570478536;mp_en_viaje;i did ~same, discussed as such, last night. 1941558;1570478543;asciilifeform;aha 1941559;1570478547;mp_en_viaje;"o, look, i got '''ddos''' graphs also". 1941560;1570478555;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941296 << wait, how did you reason ? 1941561;1570478555;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-07 11:48:13 asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941252 << [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-08-24#1930645][ asciilifeform is not the manager , even if has been forced to pick up the grenade ] , BingoBoingo is still in that chair. and as mp aptly observes, asciilifeform is approx same grade of manager as he is violinist. 1941562;1570478556;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-07 08:09:06 mp_en_viaje: nor is this disease of passivity yours alone. asciilifeform is in the ~same position, at some point he became the manager of a venture ? whatevs. how and what did this alter in his life ? ~same as for the "[http://trilema.com/2016/asscience/][surprised by wealth]" tard, he was surprised by management, it became ~an attribute~, like alopecia, or a skin tumour. he worries about it, sometimes, especially when i say m 1941563;1570478556;ericbot;Logged on 2019-08-24 13:08:36 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: more like 'if colonel aint answering, major will have to act on own position w/out answer!' 1941564;1570478586;mp_en_viaje;in my book you were the boss, he worked for you. 1941565;1570478622;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-08-24#1930640][he took the job] ( with encouragement of mp_en_viaje et al ) 1941566;1570478622;ericbot;Logged on 2019-08-24 13:05:31 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and remember that yer the current chairman. dun let yerself get incapacitated, asciilifeform is not expert in chairmaning , but someone has to actually fucking steer the thing, or we're sunk, irons or no irons 1941567;1570478645;mp_en_viaje;can has link to said encouragement then ? 1941568;1570478649;asciilifeform;asciilifeform, formally , is technical vizier, responsible for creation, maintenance, and sometimes emplacement, of irons. 1941569;1570478667;mp_en_viaje;this is new to me. 1941570;1570478694;asciilifeform;[http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2018-07-15#1834856][where accepted] 1941571;1570478694;ericbot;Logged on 2018-07-15 15:28:56 mod6: In other news, BingoBoingo has accepted the position as Pizarro Manager, and officially will take over in this role after the August Statement is published in the first few days of September. Congrats to BingoBoingo! 1941572;1570478716;mp_en_viaje;oh ? 1941573;1570478731;mp_en_viaje;i guess i've not been paying close enough attention to this then. 1941574;1570478749;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2018-07-13#1834407 thrd. 1941575;1570478750;ericbot;Logged on 2018-07-13 22:36:05 mircea_popescu: 2. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-02#1831375 STILL didn't get a direct answer, two weeks later. this "withdraw into busywork" reaction to uncomfortable realities may work (it doesn't work, but subjectively may seem to work) in lines typically well fit to the autistic. but as things stand here it's at least mildly insulting to BingoBoingo, that he's the dood on the ground and you're somehow looking right throguh 1941576;1570478763;asciilifeform;^ where nominated. 1941577;1570478799;mp_en_viaje;nfi why i ended up with the idea he worked for you. 1941578;1570478807;asciilifeform;because at one time he did. 1941579;1570478841;mp_en_viaje;aite, well. evidently i wasn't watching all that closely. good there's a record. 1941580;1570478852;asciilifeform;agonizingly detailed record. 1941581;1570478876;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941301 << so do you feel monotonically worse since we met ? 1941582;1570478876;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-07 11:53:44 asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941253 << this, however, mistake. does not 'feel better'. asciilifeform in fact maintains a list of various where mp told him 'yer incorrigible idjit and hands grow from arse', it is quite long. 1941583;1570478876;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-07 08:09:11 mp_en_viaje: l things and toxicfacts. then he feels better about it, later. 1941584;1570478899;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: yes, but given that asciilifeform aint a gurl, it has 0 impact on operations. 1941585;1570478915;asciilifeform;i aint in the biz to 'feel better', ftr. 1941586;1570478950;asciilifeform;if i wanted 'feel better', i know where the dope dealers live. 1941587;1570478954;mp_en_viaje;so basically bingo was manager since last year, quietly "managed" "as best could", namely... 1941588;1570478978;asciilifeform;loudly. erry fart is in the logs. 1941589;1570478985;asciilifeform;( which imho is as it should be ) 1941590;1570479118;asciilifeform;observe the chronology; at the time of asciilifeform's expedition, management still formally consisted of mod6 & ben_vulpes. 1941591;1570479152;mp_en_viaje;you know, something is starting to come into focus. basically, republic is very effectual slut shredder. it massively attracts this sort of pleaser, who really really wants to be good. and then... ends up with tasks. and the tasks are... well... not actually designed, but simply what needs to be done. and sooner or later but sure as you'd like, the poor slut is on [http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/drei-hacken-36-56 1941592;1570479152;mp_en_viaje;0x840.jpg][the rack]. 1941593;1570479280;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: some amt of this is prolly not escapable in a mission like piz, which consisted largely of reconnaissance-by-fire. but yes this is likely the cardinal sin of ~erryone 1941594;1570479368;mp_en_viaje;fundamental problem with any attempt at management is that you either discuss failure, or else BECOME failure. it's inescapable. 1941595;1570479395;mp_en_viaje;but slut never wants to delineate failure, because in part well hammered into skull that "this isn't what pleasing is" through social milieu of ~shit ; and in part because just comes naturally. 1941596;1570479412;mp_en_viaje;mix these two together, get things like we see. 1941597;1570479518;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: Bingo for his part seems to be headed to lifetime of penitence in monastery or the like (tho i'd rather he grew skin like rhinoceros and fought an' won, perhaps still will) 1941598;1570479631;mp_en_viaje;eh, anyone's entitled to a day of thinking thinks through, what. 1941599;1570479653;asciilifeform;asciilifeform, otoh, did the equiv of when folx w/ no medical education attempt a tracheotomy on choking patient. cuz nobody else was about to. 1941600;1570479708;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941311 << here's the problem : if every time some dork puts out 10k packets / 10 minutes the "isp" turns off an ip for a whole day, the piddly packet pissant is being amplified 24 * 6 = 144 by the "isp" 1941601;1570479708;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-07 11:59:32 asciilifeform: unsurprising tho, ddostron likely switched to the remaining working ips, and the latech derps added them also to blackhole. 1941602;1570479721;mp_en_viaje;ie, this isn't ddos, it's ispdos. 1941603;1570479725;asciilifeform;^ 1941604;1570479765;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: this was multilayer shit sandwich -- turned out the pipe was so threadbare, that even just the mini-ddos was enuff to make it ~unusable 1941605;1570479784;asciilifeform;then, then, 'ispddos'. 1941606;1570479786;mp_en_viaje;it's really no great philosophy to put out something like that, can prolly be done on ~free by finding say a weak pw wifi 1941607;1570479814;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: no one (at least not asciilifeform) was marvelling at the magnitude of the ddos or the ingenuity of the shooter 1941608;1570479817;mp_en_viaje;in fact, by this standard trilema can leisurely ddos whoever the fuck. 1941609;1570479834;mp_en_viaje;d^Hispdos i mean 1941610;1570479897;*;asciilifeform still suspects that there wasn't even ~this~ ddos -- e.g. phuctor erry day got hrs of 1000+/reqs/sec from idjit search engines, not only pipe but even ~it~ never fell 1941611;1570479909;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941312 << regularly these aren't even attacks, just monumentally ill set up spamatrons and the like. i linked examples, dude buys "out of the box" "solution", installs on "beefiest server available", has nfi what he's doing. 1941612;1570479909;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-07 11:59:57 diana_coman: asciilifeform: re data in any case, it's the initial incident, I didn't specifically ask them for *all requests to my server*; I asked them exactly for "attack", apparently some 8 minutes on Friday before they updated their rules and got rid of it pretty much. 1941613;1570479913;asciilifeform;they're playing fucking games 1941614;1570479925;mp_en_viaje;where was phuctor again ? 1941615;1570479929;asciilifeform;dulap 1941616;1570479934;asciilifeform;same place as logger 1941617;1570479967;asciilifeform;dulap also served e.g. the rk example image, 2.5GB, downloaded by lotsa people w/ no ill effect on pipe 1941618;1570479993;mp_en_viaje;all this at pizarro then ? 1941619;1570479998;asciilifeform;yes! 1941620;1570480042;asciilifeform;asciilifeform operates exactly 1 machine at piz, dulap, under banner of snsa, since the asciilifeform expedition flight when was installed. 1941621;1570480042;mp_en_viaje;o wait, my plaintext ip address is being ddosed!!! 1941622;1570480050;mp_en_viaje;hm, no, nope, false alarm :D 1941623;1570480052;asciilifeform;lol 1941624;1570480053;mp_en_viaje;keks. 1941625;1570480062;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i've been tryin' to get mine in that ddos hopper since fri 1941626;1570480064;asciilifeform;no dice so far 1941627;1570480071;asciilifeform;let's reset it, lol, again... 1941628;1570480124;mp_en_viaje;i had just loaded a webpage and got excited. 1941629;1570480130;asciilifeform;a. 1941630;1570480132;mp_en_viaje;O LOOK MARGE!!! THEMS BYTES!!! 1941631;1570480135;mp_en_viaje; /sarcasm 1941632;1570480344;asciilifeform;baitbot is a working logger btw (on the latest patch). just aint of any practical use, it's a fire magnet is all. 1941633;1570480371;asciilifeform;( cuz asciilifeform's torture room, unlike evidently uruguay, is set up for pcap etc ) 1941634;1570480545;mp_en_viaje;well, here's the secret : usually 0-ips aren't allocated, because... umm... people run loggers and things on those. 1941635;1570480602;mp_en_viaje;so... yeah, whatever, if you operate your own ip space you should always have the damned thing at the ready. 1941636;1570480675;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941342 << umm... not usually how this works, is it. 1941637;1570480675;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-07 12:15:33 asciilifeform: find where. and go there. holyfuq. 1941638;1570480676;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: it was in fact 'ready to fire' on dulap , but not kept running eternally (a tcpdump of ERRYTHING slows box to a crawl and will eat yer ssd in ~week) 1941639;1570480710;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, afaik usually set to headers only, and yeah generally not ssd but spinners set for it. 1941640;1570480759;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: spinner is substantially slower than the firehose from where cometh. but yes normally one does headers-only. 1941641;1570480804;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941343 << not to bring a crass hickup to the choir here, but iirc you were paying a month about what my hotel costs / night ? it's not precisely maxint, not that i'm proposing anyone merits no value for money or anything like that. 1941642;1570480804;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-07 12:16:36 asciilifeform: or wat, we're paying $maxint, and this doesn't come with a fucking door to bang on?! 1941643;1570480845;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: yer hotel costs 2+k usbux / night ? impressive. 1941644;1570480884;asciilifeform;( didja rent entire hotel ?! rather than room ? ) 1941645;1570481048;mp_en_viaje;eh wth. 1941646;1570481074;asciilifeform;i've never been in a 2100/night hotel. must be quite sumthing. 1941647;1570481591;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, here : http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/ho-tel.jpg 1941648;1570481611;mp_en_viaje;now divide the slut herd by two, add one for me, multiply result by whatever eur:usd is these days and... there you go. 1941649;1570481618;asciilifeform;hrm seems to redir to antispam 1941650;1570481666;mp_en_viaje;curl -e "http://trilema.com" 1941651;1570481670;asciilifeform;but i entirely believe that it is possible 1941652;1570481729;*;asciilifeform loaded, sees 379 e / night for the max highend item . 1941653;1570481760;mp_en_viaje;what's a room gonna do ? 1941654;1570481761;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje mentioned 2 pets , but some of the illustrations seem to include a 3rd, so will have to suppose used 3 rms. 1941655;1570481775;mp_en_viaje;well, i don't sleep with the womenz, for one thing. 1941656;1570481778;asciilifeform;right 1941657;1570481789;asciilifeform;so 1 for mp_en_viaje , 1 for pet 1+2, 1 for 3 1941658;1570481800;asciilifeform;but i have nfi and will believe . 1941659;1570481803;mp_en_viaje;but be all that as it may -- while certainly a respectable sum, by any measure, maxint it is not. 1941660;1570481841;mp_en_viaje;not that it should be or anything. but hysteria self-lathering also doesn't help anything, how shall i put this, tryna walk the line here. 1941661;1570481842;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: it's a considerable sum for cage even in usa, fwiw. 1941662;1570481855;mp_en_viaje;yes, you definitely should receive value for money. 1941663;1570481859;asciilifeform;i haven't tried the germanies and etc. but know the prices here. 1941664;1570482055;mp_en_viaje;so, to circle back to it : it is conceivable that management may not immediately drop anything and cook a pot roast for you at their family home. 1941665;1570482069;mp_en_viaje;that has no bearing on how... well... they'd better fucking run their affairs such that they don't need to, either. 1941666;1570482156;asciilifeform;we're 1 rack, of perhaps 20 that had any occupants. so equiv. to passenger on a bus where 20 riders. nevertheless if driver of bus throws a paying passenger from window, this is to be paid for, notwithstanding that he is only 1 of 20 and paid only 1/20th of what was in the till. 1941667;1570482200;asciilifeform;the passenger may not have expectation to 'pot roast', but imho is justified in expectation of not flying from window. 1941668;1570482201;mp_en_viaje;but in the most practical of terms : if you send your guy there with a flamethrower, at the cost of about 3k for the tool + whatever in fuel you use, you will obtain a jailed man costing you 100x that to bust back out. a [http://trilema.com/2011/cel-mai-adevarat-in-gangsta-rap/?b=Problema%20a%20doua&e=suntem#select][terrible deal]. 1941669;1570482249;asciilifeform;well so far sent him to get barrister (sumthing that really oughta have been done aeons ago) rather than petrol. 1941670;1570482298;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, i am at no juncture proposing that you shouldn't get what you paid for. i am however disputing the somewhat ill considered view whereby the reasonable escalation for your sandwich coming out wrong is [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0p6QVBqAXA][calling the cops]. 1941671;1570482330;asciilifeform;well so far we're a reseller of sandwich and in latest incoming crate they're fulla maggots. 1941672;1570482332;mp_en_viaje;i seem to remember lawyer was on the original list of requisites he didn't get, back in the day. understand how this works : either you have ~from before~, or you... well, do not use. 1941673;1570482335;mp_en_viaje;thats how this works. 1941674;1570482367;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: what wouldja have him do ? 1941675;1570482383;asciilifeform;asciilifeform fwiw is following the 'what learned from mp_en_viaje' notebook. 1941676;1570482460;mp_en_viaje;i'm not against his trying, but i am encouraging you to moderate your expectations. if he couldn't find legal support when he didn't need it, how likely is it he'll find it now ? 1941677;1570482461;asciilifeform;latech wrecked piz. (i find it difficult to picture that will be 'un-wrecked') . what would mp_en_viaje do in such case ? there's a clearly identifiable party in breach of (even orcish) contract . 1941678;1570482469;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i dun have high expectations. 1941679;1570482479;mp_en_viaje;very similar to getting laid : if you couldn't make any female friends in general, how likely is it you'll make some while holding your erection ? 1941680;1570482511;asciilifeform;Bingo seems to be in agreement w/ asciilifeform's direction, 'fight way out of encirclement while you still have ammo' 1941681;1570482516;mp_en_viaje;in general, this barrister thing is a guy you get at the onset. 1941682;1570482591;asciilifeform;iirc BB actually tried at onset, found his lang skill insufficient at that juncture. 1941683;1570482598;asciilifeform;but i'ma let him answer when comes back. 1941684;1570482722;mp_en_viaje;understand something : the very absurdist style of unbounded exaggeration [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1940773][currently fashionable] is quite unhelpful in crisis situations. all it practically does is stress out the crew. 1941685;1570482723;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-06 08:53:05 mp_en_viaje: Oh sure, you can wear a condom or cum in her mouth, as long as she doesn’t poke a fuckin’ hole in that bitch or spit the contents out through a fucking Krazy Straw, directly into her own gash. She can even be on birth control, if she fuckin’ takes it. She could give you a hand job in a parking lot behind a convenience store on a warm sunny day, just make sure to cut off her fucking hand once she’s done. As far 1941686;1570482815;asciilifeform;woah, mp_en_viaje concerned with stress of crew ?!!! ~nao~ i must ask, mp_en_viaje are you mp_en_viaje right nao or is hanbot filling in at console ( check out, also forgot that phuctor lived in dulap ? ) plox to fess up!111 1941687;1570482853;mp_en_viaje;yes, it's bad that pizarro-upstream link is via email through indian call center. but the solution to this bad is not "afterwards, send someone to manager's home, in a clown car". the solution is in the past : should've made better contacts. 1941688;1570482877;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, wait, she's the nicer one of us ?! 1941689;1570482884;mp_en_viaje;but no, it's actually me. 1941690;1570482890;*;asciilifeform will buy 1941691;1570482906;mp_en_viaje;nor can anyone else log into trilema to upload pics, for that matter. 1941692;1570482912;*;asciilifeform will also buy 1941693;1570482970;mp_en_viaje;i dunno if i'm getting my point across here. 1941694;1570483127;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: was the point strictly that asciilifeform's output to BB, low snr , and needlessly stresses crew ? or that he oughta be doing something else than where i sent him ? or both ? neither ? 1941695;1570483187;mp_en_viaje;the former, i read something about maxint, something about flamethrower, then something about ~stalking some randos that don't even know you... 1941696;1570483200;mp_en_viaje;what is this, a comedy show ? 1941697;1570483355;asciilifeform;latech was eating the lion's share of piz operating cost. and delivering, as turned out, pipe made of wet tissue. finally said tissue dissolves. BingoBoingo goes on careful fact-finding, finds monkeys making monkey noises re 'wait a month, maybe we'll fix' . can call comedy, tragicomedy, whichever. 1941698;1570483374;mp_en_viaje;i was discussing your output, not that. 1941699;1570483420;asciilifeform;asciilifeform is operating already outta the green on his tachometer and perhaps oughta stfu, unless mp_en_viaje or BB have specific qs today. 1941700;1570483434;mp_en_viaje;you told him to do three things (incomprehensible, i thought he was the manager) none of which he can safely do or are liable to help anything if done. 1941701;1570483452;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: sitting still also not 'safe to do' 1941702;1570483455;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, alternatively you could you know, just take a chill pill, keep talking like normal. 1941703;1570483479;asciilifeform;aite, i'ma get some air, brb 1941704;1570483480;mp_en_viaje;there's nothing wrong with blowing off some steam, but why direct it at him. 1941705;1570483965;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941357 << i meant the whole thing, when you're ready to make delivery and i hafta have a server ready for you to do this on. 1941706;1570483965;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-07 13:06:49 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941226 << The 'first chunk' which spits lines into the mpwp db should be complete by the end of this month (as in patched and ready to go). That's a conservative estimate as well; hopefully sooner. 1941707;1570483965;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-07 06:37:31 mp_en_viaje: lobbes, when is it you'll need a server to sit down orchestra on ? 1941708;1570484003;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941360 << i ain't got the resoruces to multi-derp this. one shot, pass or fail, and ideally pass. 1941709;1570484003;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-07 13:09:47 lobbes: not sure if you want to wait for whole thing to be done to sit it down, or will want to deploy piecemeal as well 1941710;1570484041;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941361 << night time spider byte ? 1941711;1570484041;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-07 13:14:48 lobbes: in other news, yesterday afternoon my right eyelid inexplicably became very swollen. Woke up today and it is even worse. Slightly concerning; may need to seek doctor. Made log reading a challenge this morning at any rate 1941712;1570484845;mp_en_viaje;o hai BingoBoingo 1941713;1570484867;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941400 << top keks of all time, go to uruguay to "non-nato", end up plugged into ~equiv of sysco. 1941714;1570484867;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-07 14:34:01 BingoBoingo: They were pressed several times on the BGP question and Antel's listing as their major peer. They denied Antel and instead repeatedly claimed they hired our pipe out to "Dedicado" (Local firm mostly sells radio point to point IP connections in areas without Antel) and that Dedicado's upsteam CENTURYLINK!!! was not being very helpful in responding to Dedicado or their requests. They declared "Century Link is the Bi 1941715;1570484949;BingoBoingo;I am back. Nothing lit on fire. Now for mission report. 1941716;1570484967;BingoBoingo;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941621 << I will be sitting down with them tomorrow. I've been knocking doors to see if there's a hungrier, more aggressive model. 1941717;1570484967;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-07 18:11:00 mp_en_viaje: in general, this barrister thing is a guy you get at the onset. 1941718;1570484996;BingoBoingo;asciiilifeform: The packaged FUCKGOATS are out of the cage. They managed to restore air conditioning though a few consumer model personal air conditioners were chained together in a gang occupying a portion of the front hallway. The normal airconditioners were indeed operational. 1941719;1570485022;BingoBoingo;This datacenter mission I did get a chance to talk to Oscar alone. He was more informative without Maxi present. Pressed on whether Joaquim and other named folks I was acustomed to dealing with were still employed by Latecho he responded in the negative. Oscar also showed me his whatsapp conversations where he was begging with upstream folks. This supports the morning's hypothesis Latecho recently decerebrated while installing a bunch 1941720;1570485022;BingoBoingo;of fancy new cages. 1941721;1570485038;BingoBoingo;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941537 << I don't know about lifetime, but some sort of produtive, structured penance is in order. I do feel much less despondent after making two adult age males go pale. 1941722;1570485039;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-07 17:21:01 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: Bingo for his part seems to be headed to lifetime of penitence in monastery or the like (tho i'd rather he grew skin like rhinoceros and fought an' won, perhaps still will) 1941723;1570485052;BingoBoingo;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941608 << I am convinced burning it down will do nothing other than incur more costs. 1941724;1570485052;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-07 18:05:45 mp_en_viaje: but in the most practical of terms : if you send your guy there with a flamethrower, at the cost of about 3k for the tool + whatever in fuel you use, you will obtain a jailed man costing you 100x that to bust back out. a [http://trilema.com/2011/cel-mai-adevarat-in-gangsta-rap/?b=Problema%20a%20doua&e=suntem#select][terrible deal]. 1941725;1570485103;mp_en_viaje;in principle, there's strictly no defense from "partner sold out to sysco, new "careerwoman" dumb cunt installed in charge of it wrecked it". hapened to hp, can happen to you. 1941726;1570485111;*;BingoBoingo to start scheduling auditions 1941727;1570485143;mp_en_viaje;for as long as usg.dubaloo still deemed money, such nonsense can occur. 1941728;1570485463;BingoBoingo;ISPddOs aside, Latecho does not appear to be anywhere near as healthy as they were when I arrived. The sales manager was on airconditioner duty. I strongly suspect the Freezone conversation happened through the intercom because they didn't want to reveal their falta de recursos humanos. 1941729;1570485495;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941414 < you know, it may not all be about you. conceivably. 1941730;1570485495;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-07 14:53:03 asciilifeform: fucking orcs. they went to sabotage the heat exchanger so could then blame delay on 'cooling problem', didnt they. 1941731;1570485536;BingoBoingo;Their problems seem to go beyond their ability to serve us. 1941732;1570485549;mp_en_viaje;from what i've been reading 1941733;1570485686;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941420 << well, the whole personel turnover thing is rather characteristic of imploded tech co, yes. 1941734;1570485686;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-07 14:57:58 asciilifeform: it won't surprise me if turns out that latech is actually bankrupt. 1941735;1570485807;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941430 << i think your ideas as to how "roman law" systems work in ex spanish colonies are ... a little [http://trilema.com/2015/argentina-for-business/?b=Suppose%20you%20rent&e=now#select][off kilter]. 1941736;1570485808;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-07 15:07:41 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: target can be in hiding all he likes, if he continues when the papers are served, we get default judgement neh. 1941737;1570485846;mp_en_viaje;the majority of the leverage there was the public shaming ; if ~bankrupt that's not much leverage. 1941738;1570486179;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941439 << i... i jsut can't even. this thing became painful to read. 1941739;1570486179;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-07 15:21:16 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: let'em file. BingoBoingo will be in the courthouse with the other creditors. 1941740;1570486344;BingoBoingo;The courts here do handle evictions far more quickly than across the river. Other than the former tax shelter reasons Argentines prefer property ownership in Uruguay because the courts do move (speed may vary when a Soviet monopoly is involved). Following some sit downs I hope to have a better picture on the chance to recover something, but I do want redundancy here. I've learned at least that much. 1941741;1570486439;mp_en_viaje;nothing wrong with that. 1941742;1570486584;mp_en_viaje;i expect the roadmap asciilifeform paints (sue in uy, win, actually get paid, use proceeds to produce euro isp) is unlikely, if nothing else then because dockets routinely run multi-month in civil court, appeals are common, expense while not maxint also not trivial, and failure to pay civil judgements in corporate world a regular occurence. 1941743;1570486586;BingoBoingo;Based on the new enclosed aisle, I suspect there is the possibility there aren't entirely bankrupt. They may be ineptly pivoting to dumb provision of space for local heathen caches. 1941744;1570486619;mp_en_viaje;possibly. 1941745;1570486698;*;asciilifeform back 1941746;1570486710;mp_en_viaje;i entirely see no problem with you continuiong on this course, as a training exercise, for you. i do not have the expectation it will make money, your case is not actually that strong. 1941747;1570486754;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: it isn't that asciilifeform is convinced 'oh we'll win a suit and roll in dough' but that i haven't other constructive idea. ( to tell BingoBoingo 'hey get 2wks head start on rabbits and drinking to death' imho not constructive. ) 1941748;1570486773;mp_en_viaje;"your honor, we rented a fucktoy" "when ?" "two years ago" "and ?" "last month it sprung a leak" turns to other party, "what do you have to say ?" "fuck them" turns back to you "okay... and what do you want ?" "we want money" "how's last month's sound ?" "umm" "so ordered" 1941749;1570486821;mp_en_viaje;at his point you have a civil judgement worth what was it, TWO nights hotel stay, and whatever legal fees. and now have to get it fulfilled, will need to find an executor or w/e, sheriff. 1941750;1570486841;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: If I planned to drink to death, I wouldn't have done a moral inventory last night. 1941751;1570486842;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: to picture for a moment that the action were in 'civilized' rather than orcistani court -- if warehouse springs leak, and rain pours through it for week, and five customer's worth of wheat dissolves, i expect > 'month' would be owed. 1941752;1570486860;mp_en_viaje;no argument, if you know all the tricks of the trade six months down the road yo ucan sit down to a juicy aged angus steak out of their money. 1941753;1570486861;mp_en_viaje;but... 1941754;1570486874;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, you have to read more commercial contracts. 1941755;1570486888;mp_en_viaje;if fire in hotel burns down my stashes of euros in the hotel safe, they're not liable. 1941756;1570486916;mp_en_viaje;notwithstanding its their fucking safe for the express purpose etcetera. 1941757;1570486940;asciilifeform;well in usa, matters even moar simple , dun even need to read that the fella with the weightier bank balance is 'innocent' and the 1 with the lighter -- 'liable', ~100% of the time 1941758;1570486944;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, people who drink to death rarely plan to. 1941759;1570486960;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: I am familiar with that as well. 1941760;1570487023;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: there's a lulzy era1 thread where asciilifeform had to, for salt mine reasons, lease a bank box, and read the contract.. 1941761;1570487024;mp_en_viaje;anyway, the reason i mentioned that yest was as a pressure tactic, not as a revenue generator. 1941762;1570487041;mp_en_viaje;it doesn't seem, taking BingoBoingo 's description at face value, that pressure's likely to deliver much. 1941763;1570487090;mp_en_viaje;either because indeed, some ustard bought them out, thinking to cut down 90% of expense ie personnel and keep 50% of income by moving away from dc business to netflix cache 1941764;1570487110;mp_en_viaje;or because whatever, owner had aneurysm, looted corp payroll and ran off to hooklandia 1941765;1570487122;mp_en_viaje;or for any other reason -- dead horse will trot no miles. 1941766;1570487204;mp_en_viaje;but in principle this is not actionable, in any practical case not very far, where "i bought milk each day from milk shop" "And ?" "now it wants to sell out, become dildo shop" "so ?" "so wherre do i get my milk ?". 1941767;1570487224;mp_en_viaje;all sort & manner of tards keep trying this tack, resulting in "anti-gentrification" and assorted bla bla, but it is a seed born dead. 1941768;1570487254;asciilifeform;if they simply closed down, would then match this description. but instead started delivering milk that's 50% baccilae 1941769;1570487270;mp_en_viaje;seems to me your ips are in fact closed down. 1941770;1570487299;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: without a 'we terminated yer contract as of thursday' to go with it, tho 1941771;1570487322;mp_en_viaje;true enough. whic hyes, leaves some room. but it'll not make you significant dough in context. 1941772;1570487329;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo when last paid'em ? 1941773;1570487353;mp_en_viaje;possibly most important thing right now is to image all customer data. 1941774;1570487354;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Last bolus went to them early september 1941775;1570487364;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: not to mention iirc there was a security deposit 1941776;1570487367;mp_en_viaje;because if tomorrow you also can't get into cage, and anyone's not got bakcups, you'll have a much worse problem. 1941777;1570487372;asciilifeform;which they owe . 1941778;1570487374;asciilifeform;and yes, as mp_en_viaje said. 1941779;1570487396;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: any reason not to physically evacuate all of the iron stock, and not simply back up ? 1941780;1570487397;mp_en_viaje;do you have some offsite backup scheme in place, asks mp, fully dreading the obvious "um...." answer. 1941781;1570487406;mp_en_viaje;as thing stand i can't think of one. 1941782;1570487406;*;asciilifeform does , but cannot speak for others 1941783;1570487412;asciilifeform;backups that is 1941784;1570487413;mp_en_viaje;not like you can't put it back in, at moderate cost 1941785;1570487427;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, not " asciilifeform as asciilifeform ". pizarro as pizarro. 1941786;1570487429;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo seems already bought the wheelbarrow. 1941787;1570487446;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: all piz-specific soft afaik is backed up . 1941788;1570487451;mp_en_viaje;... 1941789;1570487454;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo anything i'm missing on this score ? 1941790;1570487455;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: Aite, tonight I will grab user data and databases off of the shared server. 1941791;1570487459;mp_en_viaje;are you deliberately thick or just naturally ? 1941792;1570487468;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: piz aint a tea&lemons provider, customers RESPONSIBLE FOR OWN BACKUPS 1941793;1570487483;mp_en_viaje;yes. and you think this is a reason to not do it ? 1941794;1570487486;BingoBoingo; mp_en_viaje: any reason not to physically evacuate all of the iron stock, and not simply back up ? << Because it tips the hand. If you want to litigate... 1941795;1570487497;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: go then, to backup. 1941796;1570487501;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, who the fuck's gonna notice, receptionist girly ? 1941797;1570487514;mp_en_viaje;from your story everyone too busy doing the plumbing with own hands. 1941798;1570487522;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the stock of spare ssds should suffice to grab errything. 1941799;1570487572;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: At this hour no one. I will go and grab backups. 1941800;1570487575;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: lemme know if you need helping hand (tho will be limited in what i can do w/out a working pipe straight to machines.) 1941801;1570487603;mp_en_viaje;why limited ? you could indicate which local houses to burn down from the flamethrowing helisub. 1941802;1570487611;asciilifeform;lol 1941803;1570487694;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: plox to plug a ssd into dulap when yer done. grab in the morning. ( would like a fresh copy if possible ) 1941804;1570487705;asciilifeform;or grr nm 1941805;1570487709;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I know. Once things are collected I will need a working ftp server somewhere to park customer data GPG tarballs. 1941806;1570487718;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: shut down dulap & pocket the drives. 1941807;1570487742;asciilifeform;(dun fughet to label'em) 1941808;1570487780;BingoBoingo;Will label everything I take out. 1941809;1570487784;asciilifeform;ty BingoBoingo . 1941810;1570487823;asciilifeform;drives imho oughta be evacuated (1st to BingoBoingo's flat, then, at option of customers, fedex) prior to and posted separately from machines per se. 1941811;1570487852;mp_en_viaje;well, we can get one in moldavia 1941812;1570487869;asciilifeform;for instance. 1941813;1570487983;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941454 << the ganged ac thing was a lulzy epic story 1941814;1570487984;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-07 15:38:37 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Last night the machines were cool and accessible locally on the switch. Today they are probably still hot and angry. 1941815;1570487988;mp_en_viaje;can sneak some pics at all ? 1941816;1570487997;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I would like to wait for customer instructions on how they would like their drives handled before pulling everything. 1941817;1570488004;asciilifeform;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941658 << i was aboutta ask !! holyshit, where did they put the hot exhaust ? 1941818;1570488004;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-07 21:51:46 BingoBoingo: asciiilifeform: The packaged FUCKGOATS are out of the cage. They managed to restore air conditioning though a few consumer model personal air conditioners were chained together in a gang occupying a portion of the front hallway. The normal airconditioners were indeed operational. 1941819;1570488012;asciilifeform;straight back into the hall ?! 1941820;1570488015;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: At this point I don't see why not. 1941821;1570488020;mp_en_viaje;hit it then. 1941822;1570488034;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It looks like they exhausted to the parking garage 1941823;1570488047;asciilifeform;through what? door propped with brick?! 1941824;1570488072;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Well... door propped open with prop 1941825;1570488072;asciilifeform;i dun recall seeing arrowslits reserved for konsoomer window ac in there 1941826;1570488074;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941455 << i dunno why this is so [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1940869][dramatique] all the time. not like we didn't know you two have no fucking clue what you're doing going in. 1941827;1570488074;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-07 15:39:30 asciilifeform: ( after he's done w/ the current session of 'both of you have arse for a head and i oughta have thrown you into sea like two-headed kittens long ago' but expect will have what to add ) 1941828;1570488074;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-06 14:10:13 asciilifeform: and ftr asciilifeform suspects that this story will end with mp_en_viaje asking asciilifeform to hand in his bicord. wat good is an admiral w/out a fleet ? like miklos horthy ? 1941829;1570488074;asciilifeform;lol! 1941830;1570488088;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: fairnuff 1941831;1570488118;BingoBoingo; i dun recall seeing arrowslits reserved for konsoomer window ac in there << Consumer standup portable A/C 1941832;1570488126;asciilifeform;wow. 1941833;1570488128;mp_en_viaje;you know, the WARMERS 1941834;1570488130;BingoBoingo;Plugs into exhaust tube 1941835;1570488160;BingoBoingo;Aite, back to the dungeon. 1941836;1570488383;asciilifeform;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941653 << funnily , 1 of the places asciilifeform wanted to try parking dulap in '17 , was a (largely empty) telco exchange 2km from house. reputedly, gives a locking rebar cage for <1.5k/m . and in the heart of the beast. the thing, i suspect if had done this, it'd still be there, working.. 1941837;1570488384;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-07 21:49:37 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941400 << top keks of all time, go to uruguay to "non-nato", end up plugged into ~equiv of sysco. 1941838;1570488384;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-07 14:34:01 BingoBoingo: They were pressed several times on the BGP question and Antel's listing as their major peer. They denied Antel and instead repeatedly claimed they hired our pipe out to "Dedicado" (Local firm mostly sells radio point to point IP connections in areas without Antel) and that Dedicado's upsteam CENTURYLINK!!! was not being very helpful in responding to Dedicado or their requests. They declared "Century Link is the Bi 1941839;1570488408;mp_en_viaje;and how much for the pipe ? 1941840;1570488426;asciilifeform;( never went even as far as asciilifeform getting through door, cuz landed in a snake pit of 'maximilianos' each of whom claimed 'oh noez this dc is nao owned by X' for 3 circling values of x ) 1941841;1570488433;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: pipe incl. iirc 1Gb/s. 1941842;1570488438;asciilifeform;but this was a dud. 1941843;1570488438;mp_en_viaje;understand the weakness in these "still be there" : a month ago, you were complaining pizarro pipe is too stable. these things are always fine until not anymore, and never before. 1941844;1570488449;asciilifeform;this applies to errything. 1941845;1570488454;asciilifeform;old man's heart ticks until not. 1941846;1570488459;mp_en_viaje;right. 1941847;1570488555;mp_en_viaje;anyway, to set a matter of record straight : it is not ~necessarily~ the case oscar is lying re "dedicado"->centurylink. that's why man on the ground / contacts beats remote in these things. there's half a dozen way the peering data can be fudged into unreliability 1941848;1570488680;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941458 << it's incomprehensible to me why you compare these two as such. it almost reads as if you imagine some dude in moldavia somehow captured packets on YOUR interface in uruguay at diana's request and then misrepresented it to her as her own. wtf ?! 1941849;1570488680;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-07 15:40:45 BingoBoingo: Especially when diana_coman's moldavian ISP offered .pcap showing 8 IPs while Oscar said thousands. 1941850;1570488719;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: it's unproven, but imho not baseless, theory, that both were targeted using same net 1941851;1570488739;mp_en_viaje;"i went to herpetologist for my snake and my cousin went to hematologist for her blood, and my snake's tooth count came way smaller than her platelets. wtf medicine is a scam" 1941852;1570488758;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, it's deeply unlikely, seeing how... by the same logic your fuckbot was also targetted by same net. 1941853;1570488775;mp_en_viaje;so thousands, 8, 0 ? wtf set of data is this. 1941854;1570488776;asciilifeform;lesse whether mp_en_viaje still holds this pos, when there's >1 tmsr box in that moldavia and it gets 1tb/s sustained. 1941855;1570488803;mp_en_viaje;is the idea pizarro boxes were hit with 1tb/s for a while ? 1941856;1570488808;asciilifeform;nfi 1941857;1570488815;mp_en_viaje;then why not 1pb/s ? 1941858;1570488817;asciilifeform;it is impossible, from the shit drippings coming from latech, to say 1941859;1570488826;asciilifeform;point is that there's no actual limit to these 1941860;1570488837;mp_en_viaje;i don't understand what you;re saying. 1941861;1570488860;asciilifeform;that ddos of almost arbitrary size is comparatively cheap, vs the defense. 1941862;1570488880;mp_en_viaje;do we by "the defense" mean not giving a shit, or do we by "the defense" mean nullrooting ips ? 1941863;1570488889;asciilifeform;meant, actual defense . 1941864;1570488900;asciilifeform;where you can carry on to sit and notgiveashit. 1941865;1570488904;mp_en_viaje;i recall at least one instance where trilema was down and my defense of not giving a shit for a week or so came remarkably cheap to me. 1941866;1570488920;mp_en_viaje;cca 2015 maybe ? 1941867;1570488964;asciilifeform;incidentally [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940193][quite respectably sized chumpnet was recently abruptly changed owner.] 1941868;1570488965;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-04 14:43:49 ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 17:53:51 feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/10/dutch-bulletproof-host-down-eurocops-plea-mirai-botnet/ << Qntra -- Dutch "Bulletproof" Host Down, EuroCops Plea "Mirai Botnet" 1941869;1570488992;mp_en_viaje;sadly... i can't read it. 1941870;1570489015;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: https://archive.is/0NcnD 1941871;1570489021;mp_en_viaje;a ty 1941872;1570489051;mp_en_viaje;watrevs, 5 machines dun figure in anything. 1941873;1570489081;asciilifeform;which 5 ? 1941874;1570489113;mp_en_viaje;the confiscated machines. what, is the idea they cc'd the whole thing ? 1941875;1570489123;asciilifeform;is claimed. 1941876;1570489133;mp_en_viaje;not afaik how mirai/any current botnet works. 1941877;1570489143;asciilifeform;and i won't dismiss out of hand, people continue (why? dunno) to make pyramidally-shaped botnets. 1941878;1570489152;asciilifeform;and mno, is how most of'em still work. 1941879;1570489165;mp_en_viaje;maybe "people" who key in stuff they read on cca 2002 edition of slashdot / 1941880;1570489174;mp_en_viaje;most by count or most by what ? 1941881;1570489175;asciilifeform;mno. the current crop. 1941882;1570489178;mp_en_viaje;hm 1941883;1570489180;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: by mass. 1941884;1570489192;mp_en_viaje;i have trouble believing/. 1941885;1570489229;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i also had trouble believing, before working as pro exterminator for these in '12-15. (possible that sumthing has changed since, but from what i presently know -- has not.) 1941886;1570489241;mp_en_viaje;but that is a decade ago 1941887;1570489262;mp_en_viaje;im talking 2019, post bitcoin-ransoms, post ddos-for-hire etc. 1941888;1570489267;mp_en_viaje;not 2012 ffas. 1941889;1570489268;asciilifeform;the only step to 'p2p'ism that has become moar common, is the use of 'randomly generated domain using time of day where to look for command' ('dga') but even this not universal. 1941890;1570489323;mp_en_viaje;yup, sha(unixtime(hdmy).salt).org for sure. 1941891;1570489366;asciilifeform;at any rate, for our purposes afaik dun matter what kinda botnet. nor have i a connection to draw from that point to what we've got. so will leave subj alone for nao. 1941892;1570489473;asciilifeform;( the other connection, naturally, is -- per the snowden dox -- usg never throws away botnet, when finds, but uses always . ) 1941893;1570489496;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941464 << was it snsa owned a machine and smg another one, and renting a 3rd ? i thought we had mostly sold all iron to piz, will have to look through all these. 1941894;1570489497;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-07 15:44:10 asciilifeform: same i believe goes for smg. 1941895;1570489526;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: the primary smg machine is still owned by smg. 1941896;1570489536;asciilifeform;was to be sold, when replacement delivered. 1941897;1570489549;asciilifeform;BB will correct me if i'm wrong on this pt. 1941898;1570489567;mp_en_viaje;none of this needs to take up cycles nao 1941899;1570489579;mp_en_viaje;it's all in the logs, not going anywheres anyway 1941900;1570489580;asciilifeform;aite. 1941901;1570489600;asciilifeform;might make a diff re where to evacuate irons to, when this time comes. 1941902;1570489646;asciilifeform;incidentally, mp_en_viaje , all the irons that asciilifeform personally worked on, have his seals on'em, and these should still be intact. 1941903;1570489671;mp_en_viaje;well, if they're not, we'll sue. 1941904;1570489689;asciilifeform;hm i thought 'suing orcs dunwork' 1941905;1570489694;mp_en_viaje; /sarcasm 1941906;1570489698;asciilifeform;lolk 1941907;1570489714;*;asciilifeform cleans his sarcasm sensor w/ freon can 1941908;1570489738;mp_en_viaje;anyway, i imagine most iron is headed for the local reseller, used hw prolly not worth shipping OUT of orcistan 1941909;1570489813;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i can't speak for others, but anyffing i touch will be hosted on this same type of opteron, and with same raid, and w/ same FG . 1941910;1570489835;mp_en_viaje;ah, so you rather want them back / 1941911;1570489838;mp_en_viaje;? 1941912;1570489843;asciilifeform;snsa's -- indeed 1941913;1570489868;mp_en_viaje;aite, well, instead of going to deliver boxes, can go to... retrieve. make point of showing to customs, "see ? told you it's for fair!" 1941914;1570489884;asciilifeform;and to smg i'd also recommend to use the same, but is decision not for me but for mp_en_viaje & co, if they'd rather host on intel w/ ipmi and intel rng, is not my biz 1941915;1570489889;asciilifeform;lol 1941916;1570489900;asciilifeform;i expect fedex will get'em out to wherever for 1-2 hundy. 1941917;1570489911;asciilifeform;orc customs is an 'in' problem rather than 'out' afaik. 1941918;1570489926;mp_en_viaje;well muh dear space-admiral & mars mission commandant... it dun seem to be so much a question of what i'd rather. does it. 1941919;1570489952;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: we're all still stuck with a different set of 'rathers' . 1941920;1570489960;asciilifeform;for each -- his own. 1941921;1570489994;mp_en_viaje;but i suppose this is not entirely without merit -- diana_coman see next you talk to that guy whether he also colos boxes ? 1941922;1570490004;asciilifeform;he does, or so told asciilifeform (see linked thrd) 1941923;1570490011;mp_en_viaje;i'd say "call him over here", but the problem is i'm traveling, can't keep this always on and watched. 1941924;1570490012;asciilifeform;i was actually preparing a modest box to go there 1941925;1570490034;asciilifeform;fella even offered serial port via temp box, given that i refuse to ipmi 1941926;1570490042;mp_en_viaje;a right. i recall now. 1941927;1570490047;asciilifeform;( he's got no kvm ) 1941928;1570490050;mp_en_viaje;well, why not, can send the smg there then i guess. 1941929;1570490099;asciilifeform;could. 1st must ask BB for favour , to prepare it to talk on serial console if it doesn't already. 1941930;1570490249;mp_en_viaje;anyway, see what diana_coman thinks also. what's your idea re phuctor iron ? 1941931;1570490257;asciilifeform;already said, neh 1941932;1570490287;asciilifeform;i built it out of waht i built it, for a reason, and if disappeared would build again outta same. so yes would like it back. 1941933;1570490294;asciilifeform;and rehomed whenever find to where. 1941934;1570490307;asciilifeform;ea. of these is equipped w/ 2 FG btw. 1941935;1570490312;asciilifeform;internally. 1941936;1570490362;asciilifeform;( this is also where was the snsa logger . ) 1941937;1570490383;mp_en_viaje;that's what i was asking about, rehomed where 1941938;1570490404;asciilifeform;so far the moldavian is looking good. 1941939;1570490409;asciilifeform;certainly compared to our deceased horse. 1941940;1570490447;*;asciilifeform apprehensive about re-creating a piz-style 'target rich envir.' in moldavia, but all of asciilifeform's attemps to find reasonable hosters ended in broken teeth 1941941;1570490452;mp_en_viaje;maybe bb could move to moldavia, take employment with same lolz 1941942;1570490464;mp_en_viaje;"hi mr. we want to colo these boxes and this son" 1941943;1570490471;asciilifeform;lol 1941944;1570490481;*;asciilifeform in fact speaks both of the langs spoken in moldavia... 1941945;1570490512;asciilifeform;it's terra incognita tho, tbf. 1941946;1570490519;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, come to think about it, see if guy is avail for a conf tomorrow morning say 10 to 11 osterreich time ? 1941947;1570490564;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, my first http://trilema.com/2009/nsfw-topless/ was in moldavia. 1941948;1570490585;asciilifeform;neato. 1941949;1570490617;asciilifeform;afaik they've a nicely deadlocked gov, too, with a putin prime minister and a usg parliament. 1941950;1570490661;*;asciilifeform does not know if that pencil balanced on its point is any kind stable state. but last i knew, was such. 1941951;1570490824;mp_en_viaje;nfi, haven't been there in 20+ years 1941952;1570490832;asciilifeform;what we won't have, in moldavia, is obv. (unless he in fact does go there) a BingoBoingo to swap disks, inspect seals, move hoses around in <1hr on request, and such nice things. but what can do. 1941953;1570490868;mp_en_viaje;it was cheap, had nice wine, and idem girls. possibly still. 1941954;1570490896;asciilifeform;if BB becomes new rezident, can enjoy the gurlz (tho prolly oughta leave the wines) 1941955;1570490917;mp_en_viaje;when i landed in chisinev, mid 90s, it had just came out as law or somesuch apparently that all cunts must wear miniskirts with pantyhose. dedicated sellers of pantyhose on all street corners and not a single warm blooded xx humanoid in any other garb. 1941956;1570491095;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: so, let's put on record properly, evacuation officially on ? BingoBoingo to send word to latech to stop charging for pipe, they've breached contract ? or are we to hold out for some unlikely concession 1941957;1570491139;mp_en_viaje;i thought consensus among you two was that pipe's not coming back on. he said "nobody there can turn it back on" and you said "even if they did, i wouldn't trust it" 1941958;1570491142;mp_en_viaje;this not so ? 1941959;1570491168;asciilifeform;it ~could~ come back on. but this won't fix structural problem imho. ~might~ give time to negotiate a straight-from-antel, in theory. 1941960;1570491190;asciilifeform;supposing subscribers not already set bozo bit . 1941961;1570491216;mp_en_viaje;allow me to quote chapter and verse then. as to 1 : http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941443 ; as to 2 : http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941440 1941962;1570491217;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-07 15:31:05 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: At this point, based on the previous conversation, there seems to be in no person at Latecho or Dedicado who can get us pipe. I am inclined to begin auditioning commercial litigation folk this afternoon. 1941963;1570491217;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-07 15:28:43 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: understand that waiting will accomplish nothing. even supposing the mario & luigi derps come back and 'we fixed pipe, promise it won't happen again' it WILL happen again. week, month, year, later, and whole story will repeat. 1941964;1570491227;asciilifeform;right 1941965;1570491246;mp_en_viaje;i have not what to argue with this ; nor any reaso nto argue. seems to me the one remaining thing to protect is the physical machines. 1941966;1570491252;asciilifeform;seems so. 1941967;1570491263;mp_en_viaje;well then that's what it is. 1941968;1570491287;asciilifeform;( secondarily, the remnant of the acct balance at latech, but i honestly dun expect to see it again 'like own ears w/out mirror'(tm) ) 1941969;1570491360;mp_en_viaje;you have a balance ? 1941970;1570491365;mp_en_viaje;i thought you owed ~now. 1941971;1570491380;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: mno, there was a security deposit, + remnant of month afaik. 1941972;1570491395;mp_en_viaje;when is your month end with them ? 1941973;1570491406;mp_en_viaje;don't tell me "the exact day before ispdos started" ? 1941974;1570491417;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: a q for BingoBoingo when he wakes up. 1941975;1570491425;mp_en_viaje;i thought he was over at dc 1941976;1570491435;asciilifeform;oh yea 1941977;1570491440;*;asciilifeform would like to give BingoBoingo room to try maneuvers involving 'the other dc' or whatnot, but at his option, and in consultation w/ subscribers . 1941978;1570491500;mp_en_viaje;i believe it is unwise to build floors atop chairs. usually chairs atop floors. 1941979;1570491509;mod6;asciilifeform: The tbf box in the rack would be nice to be backed up -- I believe, from memory, this is a raid configuration in there. If the drives are pulled and not numbered correctly, probably can't re-create. 1941980;1570491522;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: remains , imho, to be seen, whether 'floors' even exist. 1941981;1570491533;asciilifeform;possibly -- chairs all the way down. 1941982;1570491545;mod6;It serves two functions: 1. tbf website, 2. trb node. 1941983;1570491562;asciilifeform;mod6: i didn't build your box, but if it's a '3ware', order dun matter 1941984;1570491569;mp_en_viaje;be that as it may, "ima try to start isp while these people are waiting to get plugged back in" is like "ima try to build restaurant in front of queue of hungry people". the correct way is to build first and then queue. 1941985;1570491571;asciilifeform;so long as you actually get ~your~ drive set and not someone else's mix. 1941986;1570491579;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje this is so. 1941987;1570491591;mod6;Ah, ok. I can't be certain it is a 3ware. Maybe BB can check inside the box. 1941988;1570491597;mp_en_viaje;mod6, i never ran into this order problem in a raid before ? 1941989;1570491616;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: fact of the matter is, the nearest restaurant is across atlantic, will take time to get to it in any case. 1941990;1570491625;mp_en_viaje;(admittedly because back when people did, i didn't need nor could afford such things) 1941991;1570491640;mod6;I'd like to see the whole box backed up, but really, (iirc) the /var partition holds the website data. The node chain is less important. 1941992;1570491657;asciilifeform;mod6: chain is cheap as dirt. 1941993;1570491657;mp_en_viaje;well... it is your chain. 1941994;1570491665;asciilifeform;but if you want it, mod6 , will have to get it 1941995;1570491672;asciilifeform;i expect BingoBoingo will help. 1941996;1570491673;mod6;mp_en_viaje: Fair enough, I seem to remember this as a problem with striping.. like a RAID 5. 1941997;1570491701;asciilifeform;mod6: if it was '3ware' or similar respectable card, it writes drive # to 1st block. 1941998;1570491702;mod6;asciilifeform: that'll suffice. will work with BB as needed. 1941999;1570491714;mod6;asciilifeform: ah, ok, good to know. 1942000;1570491724;asciilifeform;i do not know what mod6 had tho, it was his own iron. 1942001;1570491742;asciilifeform;ditto trinque . 1942002;1570491797;mod6;gotta run out for some meat. will be keeping up on logz tho. ttyl. 1942003;1570491805;asciilifeform;laters mod6 1942004;1570491836;asciilifeform;incidentally network is down to 3, maybe 4, working trb noades, such as are known to asciilifeform . 1942005;1570491862;mp_en_viaje;i guess ima put a node on the new trilemabot machine too, why not. 1942006;1570491902;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform was provisioning a noad-capable box too, for moldavia test . 1942007;1570491910;asciilifeform;( 1tb 'samsung pro' ) 1942008;1570491928;mp_en_viaje;trb node very fine tester indeed. 1942009;1570491963;asciilifeform;as stands, noad needs at least 2GB dedicated ram, and tb of ssd is known to live for >2y . (not counting fill, which will fill in ~4y guaranteed as the chain marches) 1942010;1570492021;*;asciilifeform nao stuck figuring out what to do with 15 rk's... 1942011;1570492037;asciilifeform;16 really, 1 was spare. 1942012;1570492056;asciilifeform;( what do do with the 6 at piz, will be for the shareholders to ponder ) 1942013;1570492090;*;asciilifeform not invoiced BingoBoingo for the 16 , or their chassis/etc 1942014;1570492120;asciilifeform;generally i dun invoice until box is assembled, tested, and flown. 1942015;1570492416;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: if pipe is in fact restored, will make easier for folx to backup. but other than that i think is curtain call. 1942016;1570492549;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i'ma point 'nosuchlabs.com' at yer www again, like during last exile in the desert, if you dun object. (plox to say if ok w/ this and then which ip prefer) 1942017;1570492566;asciilifeform;so happens that i renewed it last wk for next 9 years. 1942018;1570492582;mp_en_viaje;well i mean, it was lulzy on friday. by the time sunday rolled into monday which is now solidly tuesday as i write this... hypocalcemic syncope is one thing, but if she's not back on her feet by next week... 1942019;1570492599;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, i don't object, but does it do anything/need me to do anything / 1942020;1570492604;asciilifeform;nope. 1942021;1570492608;mp_en_viaje;not very convenient to fuck with root right now 1942022;1570492611;mp_en_viaje;aite. 1942023;1570492643;asciilifeform;i'm ok that it goes to random mp_en_viaje page . ( can't point at own www yet, it's still on that heathen random-ip-of-the-week thing ) 1942024;1570492651;mp_en_viaje;keks 1942025;1570492675;mp_en_viaje;well, if you didn't move it for pizarro, maybe now to moldavia :D 1942026;1570492677;asciilifeform;was actually why asciilifeform took an interest in the moldavia fella. was thinking 'can finally put asciilifeform's blog' 1942027;1570492694;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i specifically did not want it in piz, cuz already had dark thought re target-rich envir. 1942028;1570492705;asciilifeform;'3 smoking from same match' 1942029;1570492751;mp_en_viaje;aha 1942030;1570492799;asciilifeform;will switch it tomorrow . 1942031;1570492924;*;asciilifeform wonders what is his remaining use on battlefield. e.g. snsa is approx as alive as piz... 1942032;1570492990;asciilifeform;nao i haven't even a logger . 1942033;1570493003;asciilifeform;to others, goes the torch of logotron . 1942034;1570493020;asciilifeform;diana_coman and lobbes . 1942035;1570493085;asciilifeform;fallen is phuctor. (it was gonna get fatter disks, in resupply crate, so can actually go through those ssl dumps , to date has been doing 'random sample' of'em erry wk ) 1942036;1570493157;asciilifeform;i'ma carry on w/ peh (needs keccak) , perhaps mp_en_viaje & co will still find use for it . 1942037;1570493226;mp_en_viaje;well, we can talk about nsa later this week, ima have to write report anyways. one thing at a time neh ? 1942038;1570493240;asciilifeform;aite. 1942039;1570493269;*;asciilifeform will complete 'peh' even when exiled to pluto, imho it needs doin' 1942040;1570493288;asciilifeform;i dun expect it will make riches tho. 1942041;1570493295;mp_en_viaje;piling everything together, "my car got a flat tire, and come to think of it my wife is annoying also" is a great way to find suicide appealing and naught much else. not exactly rational review. 1942042;1570493302;asciilifeform;tru 1942043;1570493317;*;asciilifeform also dealing with a possibly-imploding salt mine, for extra kicks 1942044;1570493331;mp_en_viaje;things should be reviewed on merits, and periodically, but on merits and periodically, not whenever got a paper cut. 1942045;1570493357;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, from experience, all possibly imploding salt mines are in fact imploding. Mocky_ 's experience is iirc in the logs as current-most-recent. 1942046;1570493371;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i can't say i've much to claim as 'merits' in recent time. 1942047;1570493393;mp_en_viaje;isn't that a sobering thought. 1942048;1570493401;asciilifeform;if were japanese prolly already would have appointed kaishakunin and bought white sheets etc. 1942049;1570493433;mp_en_viaje;white sheets are always good to have in any case. 1942050;1570493438;asciilifeform;put full throttle since late may into piz & logger. nao have neither. 1942051;1570493467;mp_en_viaje;well, actually, your logger is widely distributed and you have it, except for not atm on a box. 1942052;1570493468;asciilifeform;( e.g. [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3420]['m'] also was for piz. came to 0. ) 1942053;1570493470;lobbes;logger vpatch still exists because asciilifeform tho 1942054;1570493487;lobbes;mp-wp bot couldn't be a thing without it, for example 1942055;1570493491;asciilifeform;lobbes: nao time for the young heroes. 1942056;1570493510;mp_en_viaje;i daresay most of the benefit of pizarro was in training you inept tards to some (probably minuscule) degree. 1942057;1570493516;mp_en_viaje;that, you also carry with you. 1942058;1570493547;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: before piz lost shirt twice. so far most of what learned is 'electrified fence around zone, hurts' ) 1942059;1570493575;mp_en_viaje;"not talking to many people you don't know ~= suicide" might've been more productive a lesson. 1942060;1570493599;mp_en_viaje;but ultimately, the reason experience's so painfully expensive, is that nobody takes so much from it ever. 1942061;1570493670;mp_en_viaje;pizarro had a decent run in spite of management ; that it came to an end... it ran for 20+ months neh. plenty of time. 1942062;1570493675;asciilifeform;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1941985 << fwiw i've never worked anywhere that didn't eventually die. even that usg army lab -- closes. 1942063;1570493675;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-08 00:11:07 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, from experience, all possibly imploding salt mines are in fact imploding. Mocky_ 's experience is iirc in the logs as current-most-recent. 1942064;1570493678;asciilifeform;*closed 1942065;1570493700;mp_en_viaje;right. 1942066;1570493747;asciilifeform;last go around, asciilifeform was stuck in 'butugychag' (physically commuted-to hellhole) for 6+mo. 1942067;1570493755;asciilifeform;~0 useful output. 1942068;1570493768;asciilifeform;was also when lost good % of net worth in the alphago thing. 1942069;1570493790;mp_en_viaje;which was this ? 1942070;1570493800;asciilifeform;was in the last days of bitbet. 1942071;1570493809;mp_en_viaje;oh oh, google go bot 1942072;1570493811;asciilifeform;aha 1942073;1570493831;mp_en_viaje;lol, remember the 1k btc berkshire bet ? 1942074;1570493847;*;asciilifeform actually followed the last convulsions of bbet, and the end of era1, on hidden terminal in a snakepit fulla unspeakable usg stooges 1942075;1570493860;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: of course remember 1942076;1570493901;mp_en_viaje;good times. 1942077;1570493937;asciilifeform;all times eventually remembered as 'good times', is how the meat worx 1942078;1570493943;asciilifeform;'we were younger then'(tm)(r) 1942079;1570493979;mp_en_viaje;in my case it's more a case of "oh, remember when the old shcmucks srsly thought they stand a chance ?" 1942080;1570493981;asciilifeform;!o seen Mocky 1942081;1570493982;ossabot;Mocky last seen here on [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933761][2019-09-04 22:48:05]: I fell down a rabbit hole 1942082;1570493990;mp_en_viaje;but anyways, having now read this 771 line / 19k words log twice, ima to bed. 1942083;1570493992;asciilifeform;!o seen-anywhere Mocky 1942084;1570493992;ossabot;Mocky last seen in #trilema on [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933761][2019-09-04 22:48:05]: I fell down a rabbit hole 1942085;1570493993;mp_en_viaje;take it easy all. 1942086;1570493999;asciilifeform;goodnight mp_en_viaje 1942087;1570494111;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941645 << at my current rate of developing the thing, I will give a tentative estimate of Jan 1st 2020 as delivery date of whole enchilada. I will update this deadline quickly if I see it threatening to be pushed 1942088;1570494112;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-07 21:34:35 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941357 << i meant the whole thing, when you're ready to make delivery and i hafta have a server ready for you to do this on. 1942089;1570494112;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-07 13:06:49 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941226 << The 'first chunk' which spits lines into the mpwp db should be complete by the end of this month (as in patched and ready to go). That's a conservative estimate as well; hopefully sooner. 1942090;1570494112;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-07 06:37:31 mp_en_viaje: lobbes, when is it you'll need a server to sit down orchestra on ? 1942091;1570494140;asciilifeform;lobbes: i expect there'll be a where-to-park then. 1942092;1570494196;lobbes;seems like folks are aiming towards diana_coman's contact huh 1942093;1570494210;asciilifeform;lobbes: afaik the only promising parking atm. 1942094;1570494225;asciilifeform;remains to be seen how will behave on battlefield, but so far could be worse 1942095;1570494243;asciilifeform;d00d seems willing to colo, gave price. 1942096;1570494255;asciilifeform;( iirc diana_coman took a leased stock machine rather than colo ) 1942097;1570494261;lobbes;willing to gpg and accept btc too, it seems 1942098;1570494268;asciilifeform;looxlike 1942099;1570494279;asciilifeform;this in itself is rare. 1942100;1570494297;lobbes;I may look into getting another box from them myself; gonna need another home for blog / auctionbot and would rather not hang everything on my usg hoster 1942101;1570494305;asciilifeform;not 1 of the fucktards i abortively talked to in '17 was willing to eat btc. 1942102;1570494347;*;asciilifeform might be unusual, but often prefers to pay in orc scrip because sitting on a vehehehery modest and rapidly dwindling pile of btc 1942103;1570494385;lobbes;that was why I went with orc scrip with my current hoster. I also have small pile 1942104;1570494398;lobbes;even worse, I dun even have a working trb node 1942105;1570494410;asciilifeform;lobbes: i had enuff for maybe 1 moar refuel of piz and then fat zero. 1942106;1570494463;asciilifeform;piz was also my last working means for buying coin . 1942107;1570494531;lobbes;same, I'm glad I bought little bits when it was alive at least. I'll miss those auctions 1942108;1570494533;asciilifeform;~100% of the coin asciilifeform ever had, in fact came from the people here. 1942109;1570494614;lobbes;I bought my first coin for ~$20 back in 2013 or abouts, then hung onto it for dear life. Almost lost it in a tardstalk scam, but luckily read hanbot's ancient writings; found this place in time 1942110;1570494706;asciilifeform;lobbes: i mined (yes) 1st, on the pile of [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=797#selection-1259.0-1259.11][junkyard fpga] i happened to have surrounded self with at the time . 1942111;1570494720;asciilifeform;did not want to deal with the 'btc komoyooniti', found it repulsive. 1942112;1570494736;asciilifeform;eventually bought a little from 'gox' right before it chernobyled. 1942113;1570494762;asciilifeform;then only had from friends, all of whom incidentally still here . 1942114;1570494802;asciilifeform;also at one point [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1352][sold a mythical kingdom] to some unknown fella for a little. 1942115;1570494809;asciilifeform;that's pretty much it. 1942116;1570494850;lobbes;lolwut duckdom 1942117;1570494869;asciilifeform;!o s urbit 1942118;1570494871;ossabot;[http://logs.ossasepia.com/log-search?q=urbit&chan=trilema][121 results for "urbit" in #trilema] 1942119;1570494912;asciilifeform;lobbes: nao-forgotten d00d wrote a sort of early premined shitcoin, 'urbit', and asciilifeform won one as a prize in a contest he had. is what this was. 1942120;1570494994;asciilifeform;point being, in asciilifeform's eyes only makes sense to spend personal coinz if can buy it back ~immediately at same or better price. which is difficult to do. 1942121;1570495008;asciilifeform;so normally i see it as 'non-renewable resource', like to sell organs. 1942122;1570495068;asciilifeform;as it is, asciilifeform was building boxen, so managed to not only burn most of coin stash on it, but fiatola saving also. 1942123;1570495093;asciilifeform;( asciilifeform cannot safely receive fiatola from humans. so that's where got with what to build. ) 1942124;1570495122;lobbes;ah okay, so you arbitraged a shitcoin in a sense 1942125;1570495134;asciilifeform;it will be a while before asciilifeform can again participate in building anything that material costs more than electrons . 1942126;1570495139;asciilifeform;or to go overseas etc. 1942127;1570495170;asciilifeform;had reserved for resupply crate and its contents, tho. 1942128;1570495879;asciilifeform;lobbes, diana_coman : [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3452][logotron tree updated], removed 'shlex' , tested with bare hands on local staging box ( baitbot ! ) , can be used . 1942129;1570495961;asciilifeform;lobbes: i was sadly unable to mirror your patches, as they lived in piz. when you find new home for your www, i will mirror. (otherwise feel free to paste as comments, and i'ma try and parse'em out) 1942130;1570495965;asciilifeform;sigs, that is 1942131;1570495973;asciilifeform;iirc lobbes had sigs for existing patches. 1942132;1570496018;asciilifeform;bot is unaffected by [http://www.loper-os.org/pub/logotron/shlex_removal.kv.vpatch][this patch], diana_coman & lobbes can emplace w/out reset . 1942133;1570496248;lobbes;asciilifeform: ack re: sigs. I'll let you know once I have new blog home. Going to order a leased stock box from that moldavian hoster nao methinks 1942134;1570496310;lobbes;and neato re: patch. I still need to apply the detect_disconnect patch as well. Will do that tonight before bed 1942135;1570496319;asciilifeform;lobbes: i expect if we all park in same cage , will end in same tears . 1942136;1570496337;asciilifeform;i suspect is is a fundamentally bad idea . 1942137;1570496435;asciilifeform;that being said, i dun exactly have a list of 9000 cages that known to work. 1942138;1570496538;asciilifeform;lobbes, diana_coman , can take the piz banners off yer log www's, they dun go anywhere no moar... 1942139;1570496665;lobbes;asciilifeform: this is a point re: parking in same cage. Perhaps couldn't hurt to do some more charting. 1942140;1570496789;*;asciilifeform will miss the golden time of when could put a box in a locking cage where only l1 human , rather than dirty paws of heathens, will lay on it 1942141;1570496829;asciilifeform;lobbes: if you colo boxen, i rec to take a weekend to learn to use a spot welder 1942142;1570496852;asciilifeform;they're inexpensive . 1942143;1570496917;asciilifeform;naturally a welded tin can aint a 100 tonne safe . but will be equally impossible to get inside w/out leaving obv. marks. 1942144;1570496929;asciilifeform;if yer good about photographing before sending off. 1942145;1570497766;*;asciilifeform off to pet pets. bbl. 1942146;1570497804;lobbes;enjoy! 1942147;1570498691;*;BingoBoingo back at terminal. Shared machine user data backed up along with databases. asciilifeform Dulap powered down, drives removed 1942148;1570498696;*;BingoBoingo eats log 1942149;1570499057;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-10-07#1941897 << S.MG was to buy the two machines through payment of machines in kind 1942150;1570499057;a111;Logged on 2019-10-07 23:05 asciilifeform: BB will correct me if i'm wrong on this pt. 1942151;1570499151;asciilifeform;wb BingoBoingo 1942152;1570499162;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: plox to use the echatronic loggers 1942153;1570499188;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: apologies. Got a tab open for each logger atm. 1942154;1570499205;*;BingoBoingo off to quickly acquire some nutrition 1942155;1570499218;*;asciilifeform also 1942156;1570502208;BingoBoingo;Oscar did send some new graphs. One seems to show a lot of traffic hitting Latecho near, but not inside out block. https://ibb.co/MBCdf6X https://ibb.co/4NdZGcV https://ibb.co/0K2Z4TK https://ibb.co/zQHs76v 1942157;1570502293;BingoBoingo;mod6: To take any backups of your machine, I will need some sort of credentials to log in. 1942158;1570502452;BingoBoingo;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941999 << I feel this sting. 1942159;1570502452;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-07 21:15:20 mp_en_viaje: "not talking to many people you don't know ~= suicide" might've been more productive a lesson. 1942160;1570503099;lobbes;BingoBoingo: fwiw, I think you did better at this venture than I imagine I ever would have. It took balls to take that initial leap over the wire and bootstrap the thing. 1942161;1570503115;lobbes;tmsr is all about embracing one's failure and learning from it, if I've learned anything from being here 1942162;1570504136;lobbes;it is easy to look at, say MP, and go "well I'll never even be close to doing the things he does", but to me BingoBoingo's story is uniquely inspirational in that folx like myself can go "well, he made the jump into uncharted waters. He built *something* even if the resistance of the medium won in the end. Why couldn't I also build something?" 1942163;1570504141;lobbes;Not sure what I'm trying to say exactly, other than perhaps "there's many ways to make a mark in history". Idk, I'ma shut up as my inspirational speeches seem to have a history of turning people off rather than inspiring 1942164;1570504159;BingoBoingo;lobbes: Leaping over the wire was the easy part. Letting ritual complexity explode early by not objecting to the GPG note passing thing was a failure. The big failure was marketing, not having a private message churner or selling anyone on the idea of getting one together for Pizarro and fast. The thing about failures is that over time their consequences accrete. Over time these accretions build up and generate inertia. It is like a 1942165;1570504159;BingoBoingo;weight. 1942166;1570504236;lobbes;this is true about the accretions of failure. A lesson for all of us, I reckon. Makes me take a hard look at my own failures I may be missing 1942167;1570504365;lobbes;on the bright side, tho, now you have real world experience for someone else that starts an endeavor of the sort. It is expensive to get that experience, and you own it in a way no one else does 1942168;1570504372;BingoBoingo;To put together a Qntra I might read five to ten takes from raw sources before I can collapse the story into condensed, journalistic text. 1942169;1570504550;BingoBoingo;To put together another Pizarro from nothing, Even with the past two years there are other hard edges I have not mastered that I know would be necessary, and the tissue paper pipe problem can happen again. 1942170;1570504742;BingoBoingo;I don't in this moment feel as portable as I did in 2017 because now there's the Peruana. I'm rather fond of her, but she loves me. 1942171;1570505083;BingoBoingo;She's been working on getting some English language, but ripping her out of the Spanish language space and bringing her to eastern Europe and Slavic languages to get colocated with me near another datacenter... When the necessity of spreading seems to have been one of the lessons... It seems a bit much. 1942172;1570505436;lobbes;well, as diana_coman once told me *sustainable* growth is the key. From my chair at least, it doesn't seem like taking time to regroup is a necessarily a bad thing 1942173;1570505447;lobbes;but I'm no growth expert! 1942174;1570505569;BingoBoingo;I am inclined to make somewhere in Latin America, even if not Uruguay work. Bingoboingo the journalist loves this country. Bingoboingo the retarded datacenter tech/mongoloid startup manager hates this country. 1942175;1570505680;*;asciilifeform waves 1942176;1570505702;*;BingoBoingo waves 1942177;1570505704;lobbes;heya asciilifeform 1942178;1570505871;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: seems that you do not want to be evacuated yourself ? asciilifeform is ready to carry out this duty if BingoBoingo wishes. 1942179;1570505896;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i will buy personally for you a ticket to anywhere on planet3. 1942180;1570505941;asciilifeform;( what to do there, is separate q, if i knew i'd buy for self also ! ) 1942181;1570506011;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Not looking to evacuate immediately. 1942182;1570506017;asciilifeform;aite. 1942183;1570506030;asciilifeform;but there's orcbux in reserve for this. as was sworn. 1942184;1570506105;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: If you do make it back to the Oriental Republic, however... I am willing to drop everything to make a potroast. 1942185;1570506176;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i'ma come if it somehow turns out to be impossible to send the irons as freight, but otherwise must pass. 1942186;1570506227;BingoBoingo;That I guessed from the logs. 1942187;1570506239;asciilifeform;fwiw i still have the transportation gear, the sacks, paddings, etc. 1942188;1570506307;asciilifeform;the specific flavour of x86 boxen asciilifeform is partial to, has become a rarity, and imho worth to recover all of it for reuse. 1942189;1570506420;BingoBoingo;Those servers are a treasure. 1942190;1570506440;asciilifeform;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942089 << if neither mod6 nor mp ( the other shareholders ) disagree , i'd like all of the piz irons to be sold for modest cost to the current tenants, who can then use . 1942191;1570506441;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-08 01:46:08 BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-10-07#1941897 << S.MG was to buy the two machines through payment of machines in kind 1942192;1570506447;asciilifeform;incl. rk. 1942193;1570506493;asciilifeform;nuffin should be left to the orcs if it can be helped. 1942194;1570506531;lobbes;interesting. I would entertain the idea of buying the rk I am renting (depending on cost of course) 1942195;1570506651;asciilifeform;snsa bought its share of piz for FG crate + 2 boxen ( the very smg boxen in fact ) , perhaps mp will accept these back . 1942196;1570506714;asciilifeform;imho castle mpstein would be a proper home for the remaining FG's, asciilifeform does not know how long has 'until sepsis' . 1942197;1570506998;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: If you want to do a slow growth thing and try to recoup some Bitcoin, I don't see what is keeping you from finishing your second RK plant and finding it a lower cost basis/better value pipe eurocolo. 1942198;1570507044;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: cuz i cannot in good conscience try to peddle a chunk of a colo to which some derp has the keys and i'm 10,000km away. 1942199;1570507079;asciilifeform;( and can't move self. i'm a pauper and my pauperty's here . ) 1942200;1570507086;asciilifeform;how the fuck do i even say pauperty in eng 1942201;1570507097;asciilifeform;y'know, the designated spot where a pauper paups. 1942202;1570507144;asciilifeform;паперть . 1942203;1570507165;BingoBoingo;Back when england was a thing they tried to keep those from accumulating. 1942204;1570507169;asciilifeform;might be false cognate actually. 1942205;1570507180;asciilifeform;паперть is the roofed spot in front of church. 1942206;1570507259;BingoBoingo;The stoop 1942207;1570507275;BingoBoingo;Or on a church the stoople 1942208;1570507285;asciilifeform;that. 1942209;1570507300;asciilifeform;apparently false cognate tho, the eng is from the latin. 1942210;1570507418;BingoBoingo;Of the the places in Uruguay that could draw urban campers... Churchfronts tend not to. 1942211;1570507431;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: slavic / orthodox church thing. 1942212;1570507446;asciilifeform;the churchgoers were expected to put coin into designated paupers. 1942213;1570507487;BingoBoingo;Here they have Catholic, Anglican, Several different kinds of jew, Mormon, the "Christ Scientists" have a giant one... 1942214;1570507520;BingoBoingo;Have yet to encounter a distinctly orthodox presenting church in the city. 1942215;1570507528;asciilifeform;the big ortho cathedral in timis had a proper pauperty. oddly, no paupers tho. 1942216;1570507634;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: fwiw piz was to be also asciilifeform's escape tunnel, but dug not even 1% of it, so is the smallest loss. 1942217;1570507689;asciilifeform;i still think that e.g. lobbes could escape. 1942218;1570507721;*;lobbes is currently in own state of 'regroup', but does have eye on escape eventually 1942219;1570507813;*;asciilifeform no longer has anything resembling a realistic picture of escape. perhaps could sign on as swabbie on mp's submarine when he buys 1... 1942220;1570508121;lobbes;bot going down for a few seconds to apply latest two patchen... stand by 1942221;1570508361;asciilifeform;wb ericbot . 1942222;1570508371;lobbes;!e version 1942223;1570508371;ericbot;I am bot version 597858. 1942224;1570508376;lobbes;there we go 1942225;1570508402;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: At least you don't have the children burden that seems to have claimed so many. 1942226;1570512075;asciilifeform;'on each camel god will put his own sort of load and a straw to break his back' or how did it go. 1942227;1570517382;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941886 - I'll fire him an email in a bit; thing is I'll be at console some 10 minutes past the austrian-10am 1942228;1570517383;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-07 20:24:24 mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, come to think about it, see if guy is avail for a conf tomorrow morning say 10 to 11 osterreich time ? 1942229;1570517388;*;diana_coman is still eating the logs 1942230;1570517865;diana_coman;email sent, will continue reading the logs 1942231;1570522090;diana_coman;!!up maxim_mivo 1942232;1570522091;deedbot;maxim_mivo voiced for 30 minutes. 1942233;1570522126;diana_coman;maxim_mivo: you can !!up with deedbot yourself and then it's permanent rather than in 30min slots 1942234;1570522708;maxim_mivo;Diana, thanks, done. 1942235;1570522850;diana_coman;still waiting for MP atm. 1942236;1570522905;diana_coman;maxim_mivo: do you offer colo in Chisinau only or in Romania too or where? 1942237;1570523068;maxim_mivo;diana_coman: we offer colocation in Chisinau only. 1942238;1570523081;maxim_mivo;Except colocation, all our services are available in Romania, Iasi. 1942239;1570523154;diana_coman;mivocloud.com seems to say moscow & oregon too - is that outdated ? 1942240;1570523202;maxim_mivo;We provide virtual servers also in USA (Oregon, Missouri) and Moscow 1942241;1570523226;diana_coman;maxim_mivo: but do you have infrastructure there ? 1942242;1570523237;maxim_mivo;No 1942243;1570523268;diana_coman;ok; so you have the infrastructure in Chisinau only; correct? 1942244;1570523294;maxim_mivo;We have our infrastructure in Chisinau and Iasi 1942245;1570523300;diana_coman;ah, good. 1942246;1570523322;maxim_mivo;Both DCs are interconnected 1942247;1570523403;diana_coman;maxim_mivo: do they have any separate net pipes? or is it basically the same if I get a server in Iasi or in Chisinau? 1942248;1570523413;*;diana_coman waves to mp_en_viaje 1942249;1570523425;maxim_mivo;Separate uplinks 1942250;1570523429;diana_coman;not bad 1942251;1570523448;mp_en_viaje;heya! 1942252;1570523456;mp_en_viaje;hi maxim_mivo , thanks for showing up. 1942253;1570523481;maxim_mivo;Hi mp_en_viaje, you're welcome. 1942254;1570523492;mp_en_viaje;so do you have any idea what ~any of this is or notrly ? 1942255;1570523521;maxim_mivo;FIY: i speak romanian, but if other people read this, it's ok to continue in english. 1942256;1570523583;mp_en_viaje;yes, lots of people read it. and good for you, i also speak romanian. and spanish. and well.. a few langs. testament of an active intelligence. 1942257;1570523642;maxim_mivo;mp_en_viaje: so do you have any idea what ~any of this is or notrly ? What do you mean ? 1942258;1570523643;*;diana_coman would really rather not talk data centre stuff in Latin 1942259;1570523671;mp_en_viaje;maxim_mivo, i mean, you're here. where is "here" ? you're talking to some people. who are they ? that sort of thing. 1942260;1570523759;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, apparently my questions get ever better in terms of wtf factor as time goes by huh. 1942261;1570523803;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: kind of how it goes, ~always; there's more actual history accumulated, after all. 1942262;1570523812;mp_en_viaje;true 1942263;1570523963;mp_en_viaje;maxim_mivo, you're not required to ad-hoc research lol, if you say "no" i'll just give you a summary you can fill out later if/when 1942264;1570524010;maxim_mivo;I don't any searches. Just waiting for questions. 1942265;1570524043;maxim_mivo;I have 20 more minutes to stay with you here guys. 1942266;1570524065;mp_en_viaje;alight, let's make it short then. 1942267;1570524077;mp_en_viaje;the top node is the most serene republic, which is a sovereign. like say the country of romania. 1942268;1570524103;mp_en_viaje;this is its forum, the people-who-matter meet here to discuss things-that-matter. like say the parliament of romania. 1942269;1570524161;mp_en_viaje;as it happens the republic ran an isp out of a datacenter in uruguay, which recently imploded. this means we have a bunch of boxes that need a new home, and some people who possibly need a new job. 1942270;1570524193;mp_en_viaje;so the questions to you will come on three lines. 1 as to colocation and related ; 2 as to human resources and related, and 3 as to interoperation with republican systems and practices. 1942271;1570524236;mp_en_viaje;so let's get to them in order : we have specific boxes configurations, including custom-made hardware such as the fg. i understand you can actually colocate these ? 1942272;1570524257;maxim_mivo;What does "fg" mean ? 1942273;1570524281;mp_en_viaje;it's a hardware rng. i'd link you the specsheet / pics etc but atm its site is down 1942274;1570524316;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: maxim_mivo there's at least the pic lol http://trilema.com/2017/fuckgoats-unboxing-of/ 1942275;1570524319;mp_en_viaje;http://trilema.com/2016/fuckgoats-first-batch-assembles-successfully/ << here's some more yeah 1942276;1570524331;maxim_mivo;Should we know what that boxes do ? 1942277;1570524342;mp_en_viaje;nsa, short for No Such lAbs, is the republic's electronic mfg. 1942278;1570524375;mp_en_viaje;maxim_mivo, all sorta thing, there's a mmorpg game server, there's a bunch of complciated math machines (ever heard of phuctor ?), there's blogs, irc loggers, 1942279;1570524393;mp_en_viaje;all sorta shit people do / need / built over time. 1942280;1570524467;diana_coman;maxim_mivo: the fg is a hardware rng and it can be connected to any USB port but for colocated machines it will most likely be inside already ie not an external thing 1942281;1570524556;maxim_mivo;OK, got it, we can colocate them. 1942282;1570524644;mp_en_viaje;now, for the sake of saving time, let's dump questions : 1942283;1570524645;mp_en_viaje;1. boxes take ~250W peak iirc, and are 1U form. there's prolly gonna be 3-4 to start with. can you host these, how do you need to receive them (fedex to whom/where specifically ?), what sorta pipe can you plug into them and for what costs. 1942284;1570524645;mp_en_viaje;2. do you want another employee ? he's hardworking and learns fast if not particularly well versed right now ; some kind of apprenticeship is probably on the table. 1942285;1570524645;mp_en_viaje;3. will you be able to invoice me via deedbot's sytem ? do you understand what the wot is and how it works etc ? 1942286;1570524700;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, will you want the boxes shipped over to you first to inspect seals and so on ? 1942287;1570524916;maxim_mivo;1. We can host them. You'll have to send them to our business address (i'll provide it), declare the customs price and pay the taxes for our customs. The colo price includes 100mbps internet with unlimited bandwidth. 1942288;1570525015;maxim_mivo;2. We don't hire remote workers. Plus every our employee must speak english, russian and romanian. Basicaly every IT man here in Moldova speaks that languages. I assume your doesn't. 1942289;1570525048;maxim_mivo;3. What payment method will you use ? 1942290;1570525106;mp_en_viaje;maxim_mivo, wouldn't be remote, he'd move there. speaks english an' spanish. 1942291;1570525154;mp_en_viaje;all payment in bitcoin, it looks like this : http://logs.ossasepia.com/log-search?q=!!pay&chan=trilema 1942292;1570525164;maxim_mivo;Sorry, russian, english and romanian are a must. 1942293;1570525169;mp_en_viaje;alright. 1942294;1570525199;mp_en_viaje;never thought i'd live to see the day speaking romanian's a bar to anything o.O 1942295;1570525267;maxim_mivo;Our romanian and moldovan customers don't speak in english with us. 1942296;1570525285;mp_en_viaje;well yes, but conceivably being an internet business you might benefit from wider language cover. 1942297;1570525291;mp_en_viaje;i dunno, your castle, run it as you please. 1942298;1570525317;diana_coman;maxim_mivo: deedbot does more than just voice in chan; specifically here, it provides a wallet service for people in the wot; ie you can deposit/withdraw bitcoin from/to any address you want + you can invoice & pay invoices between wallets directly for any amount. 1942299;1570525328;diana_coman;ofc the help page is on trinque.org that seems also down, ugh. 1942300;1570525336;mp_en_viaje;was trinque in uy too ?! 1942301;1570525344;mp_en_viaje;i recall him not wanting to eggbasket 1942302;1570525364;diana_coman;I thought he wasn't but atm I can't access trinque.org nor http://deedbot.org/help.html 1942303;1570525366;mp_en_viaje;http://wot.deedbot.org/ << no, it's up 1942304;1570525376;diana_coman;that one yes; the help though not. 1942305;1570525380;diana_coman;or not from here at least 1942306;1570525389;mp_en_viaje;http://deedbot.org/help.html 1942307;1570525392;mp_en_viaje;i see it. 1942308;1570525406;diana_coman;so then it's only me, ok. 1942309;1570525410;mp_en_viaje;http://archive.is/1ydLc << fresh copy anyways 1942310;1570525425;maxim_mivo;Sorry, guys. I don't have time to read all your WoT things (no offense). 1942311;1570525441;mp_en_viaje;maxim_mivo, no problem. 1942312;1570525461;mp_en_viaje;http://trinque.org/wp-content/themes/trinque/style.css << i see the problem now. your browser prolly hangs on this diana_coman ; i have ly set to just ignore 1942313;1570525469;maxim_mivo;Does your wallet support to transfer funds to a BTC address ? (i saw on the link you provided it transfers to nicknames). 1942314;1570525487;mp_en_viaje;maxim_mivo, yup, !!withdraw 1blablabla 1942315;1570525500;diana_coman;maxim_mivo: yes, it does; you can withdraw the funds to any btc address; ie you receive it in your own deedbot wallet and then you can !!withdraw to anywhere 1942316;1570525510;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log-search?q=!!withdraw&chan=trilema << looks like that. 1942317;1570525535;maxim_mivo;When paying the invoice, you'll see a BTC address where you have to transfer the payment. 1942318;1570525538;mp_en_viaje;it also has built-in accounting (!!ledger) etc. it's quite useful, and in any case better than some website whatever. 1942319;1570525558;mp_en_viaje;maxim_mivo, specifically what i'm asking is if you'll do it here rather than have me load some website. 1942320;1570525594;maxim_mivo;I don't think that's possible. 1942321;1570525598;mp_en_viaje;aite well. 1942322;1570525601;mp_en_viaje;thanks for your time. 1942323;1570525640;maxim_mivo;Is there anything more i can help you with ? 1942324;1570525651;mp_en_viaje;i don't think so, nope. 1942325;1570525667;maxim_mivo;OK, it was a pleasure to talk to you. Have a nice day. 1942326;1570525795;*;diana_coman goes back to searching for isp 1942327;1570525816;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1942033 << maybe. nfi why people are so married to their ad-hocisms, but as a factual matter -- they are. 1942328;1570525816;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-07 21:25:55 asciilifeform: lobbes: afaik the only promising parking atm. 1942329;1570525853;diana_coman;quite possibly because of uninterrupted bad-experience with anything else previously really 1942330;1570525861;mp_en_viaje;quite possibly. 1942331;1570525921;mp_en_viaje;or if not, because internet age has dawned this solispsistc, single-player-WoWoW thing, "we shall make some statements and proclaiments and expect THE WHOLE WORLD to submit". 1942332;1570525931;diana_coman;what boggles the mind though is that he'd go to the trouble of coming here for 1 hour or even more if asked; but he would turn down several colo boxes rather than set a guy to do !!withdraw 1942333;1570525941;mp_en_viaje;you see it in rando cuntlets too, "this is not how i stated i wish to be used". 1942334;1570526006;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, the fissure axis seems to be "who's in charge". came here tarabostes wasn't about to walk away knight. reminds me of douchebag dood also 1942335;1570526016;diana_coman;well, some lines in the sand are perhaps even sane to have; but there doesn't seem to be any re-evaluation or anything, extremely rigid in weird places. 1942336;1570526043;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: ah, that myeah; it did quite start like that indeed. 1942337;1570526054;mp_en_viaje;o look, http://trilema.com/2011/romanul-si-marea/?b=Ce%20face&e=lumea#select is in romanian even! 1942338;1570526076;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, how to re-evaluate tho if no time to read ? it's a chain. 1942339;1570526088;diana_coman;had yest in #o a funny guy (not romanian though) who was so very busy studying 20 languages (very rigid program!!!) that he didn't have any time for...communicating 1942340;1570526091;mp_en_viaje;"no time to read" implicitly includes "i'm done re-evaluatin ganything" 1942341;1570526140;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: indeed; though it was that "your stuff"; pretty much "rigid study languages, no time to communicate" just here it's rigidly sticking boxes in racks, no time to know wtf 1942342;1570526160;mp_en_viaje;i mean... come, come now, who above me can claim "no time to X" ? here i sit, [http://trilema.com/2019/a-nickels-worth-of-clues/#comment-130687][like last time], in a bed surrounded by mirrors, MAKING time. 1942343;1570526186;mp_en_viaje;cuz, elementarily, if i didn't make it, i wouldn't have it. i can certainly eat, drink and make merry back to back for the remainder of my days wut. 1942344;1570526231;mp_en_viaje;but i have time to read shaw's deeply inept attempt, like i have time to all sorta things. not because "there's nothing else on tv" anyway, wtf, there was literal parade of sluts, came naked through hotel to see maybe i have time for kitty ? as it happens i didn't. will, later, defo. what can you do. 1942345;1570526234;mp_en_viaje;MAKE time or no time. 1942346;1570526291;diana_coman;that much though is true for anyone; ie either they make time for x or they..don't have it ; and yes, they can eat and drink until they die (though as the line goes, that'll come quickly) 1942347;1570526304;mp_en_viaje;but i don't deem the people with no time as having a life. because wtf life is that, circumvectamur amore. 1942348;1570526353;mp_en_viaje;o hai there hanbot_abroad 1942349;1570526404;hanbot_abroad;howdy. voiced to say you make time for what's important; nothing's important in a system devoid of meaning because everything from god to a cheeseburger has the same weight and emotional relevancy and etc. 1942350;1570526421;mp_en_viaje;this'd be so. 1942351;1570526430;mp_en_viaje;no hierarchy -> no time, just as elementarily. 1942352;1570526456;mp_en_viaje;implicitly what i aimed to resolve with my structured summary in the introduction. but, self-evidently, if no hirarchy -> no meaning -> no possible introduction etc. 1942353;1570526485;hanbot_abroad;unfortunately also --> no regrets, which means no change, and meanwhile i walk away from reading that convo with the sole conclusion people oughta lose a toe at the start of discussions. 1942354;1570526492;mp_en_viaje;whatever, http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942236 rules all things. 1942355;1570526492;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 06:03:58 mp_en_viaje: i dunno, your castle, run it as you please. 1942356;1570526512;mp_en_viaje;goes deeper than oft realised, you've got a life, that's all you get, do as you will, gl&all that. 1942357;1570526529;*;mp_en_viaje is not particularly keen to look back however many years hence "fuuu... if only i had time!". 1942358;1570526553;hanbot_abroad;sure sure, run it as they please, but don't call it something it's not. plenty of grottenbahnschlossen scattered around not calling themselves Serious Businesses. 1942359;1570526561;mp_en_viaje;hanbot_abroad, historical mafia came up with ~same conclusion. 1942360;1570526749;diana_coman;it would be the keks of time if now the singaporean very-tightly-process-no-idea-outside guys actually manage to pass the hurdle and accept payment via deedbot 1942361;1570526753;diana_coman;by now I'll try it anyway 1942362;1570526754;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1942040 << to be clear, i'm not against this or anything. it doesn't solve my problem, but that doesn't mean it can't solve anyone else's. 1942363;1570526754;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-07 21:27:22 lobbes: I may look into getting another box from them myself; gonna need another home for blog / auctionbot and would rather not hang everything on my usg hoster 1942364;1570526774;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, do. 1942365;1570526840;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, how does it feel btw, to watch guys supposedly so far ahead in the race it brings tears to a man's eyes, nevertheless stumble over such "nothings" ? 1942366;1570526849;diana_coman;fwiw re moldavians, I intend to keep the logger there; they *did* shoot themselves in the foot and so I won't add to that what I planned, but I won't move it away either. 1942367;1570526893;mp_en_viaje;yet this is how business, and for that matter adult life, goes. ALL the fucking time, i saw people much smarter than me, richer than me, taller, prettier, whatever you will, " driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women etc" because of this and naught else. 1942368;1570526904;diana_coman;the way I see it, atm a logger is just about what they can handle anyways. 1942369;1570526938;mp_en_viaje;besides, why deny ourselves the benefit of diversity just because definitionally diversity not homogenuous ? it'd be folly writ large. 1942370;1570526957;mp_en_viaje;"i want a diverse bevy of nubile young sluts looking just like this one" 1942371;1570526961;diana_coman;yes, the need for diversity lends them a good hand currently. 1942372;1570527063;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1942049 << haha woot! well done. to think... that worked out better than "buying house" then! 1942373;1570527064;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-07 21:32:39 lobbes: I bought my first coin for ~$20 back in 2013 or abouts, then hung onto it for dear life. Almost lost it in a tardstalk scam, but luckily read hanbot's ancient writings; found this place in time 1942374;1570527182;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1942059 << wasn't early. "solidcoin" lulz was early, this dude was with the "ehtereum"/mit labs crew. 1942375;1570527182;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-07 21:37:37 asciilifeform: lobbes: nao-forgotten d00d wrote a sort of early premined shitcoin, 'urbit', and asciilifeform won one as a prize in a contest he had. is what this was. 1942376;1570527219;mp_en_viaje;anyoen recall the solidcoin btw ? such fucking great early-usg retardation, it was phenomenal. the empire of idiots is really following in some glorious footsteps with their genius "ideas". 1942377;1570527293;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1942061 << this is not even far off ; much like saying "the cost of eating fastfood as a teen is the health bills as an older adult, not the 99 cents they charge at the clown's mouth" 1942378;1570527293;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-07 21:39:13 asciilifeform: so normally i see it as 'non-renewable resource', like to sell organs. 1942379;1570527426;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1942062 << the uy nonsense caught you just right huh! 1942380;1570527426;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-07 21:40:13 asciilifeform: as it is, asciilifeform was building boxen, so managed to not only burn most of coin stash on it, but fiatola saving also. 1942381;1570527525;diana_coman;o.O there's at least one isp in bucharest actually offering an AMD Opteron dedicated ; take that asciilifeform ! 1942382;1570527542;mp_en_viaje;ha! 1942383;1570527563;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1942075 << this is kinda why before the "we can't talk to people" fire started raging, the design for pizarro was to do multiple dcs. 1942384;1570527563;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-07 22:01:04 asciilifeform: lobbes: i expect if we all park in same cage , will end in same tears . 1942385;1570527588;mp_en_viaje;but yes, in general, dumping everything into one rack is unsanitary. 1942386;1570527618;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1942080 << hey, i'm already missing it. 1942387;1570527618;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-07 22:08:54 asciilifeform: will miss the golden time of when could put a box in a locking cage where only l1 human , rather than dirty paws of heathens, will lay on it 1942388;1570527680;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1942085 << hanbot_abroad check it out, this got a plural meanwhile. 1942389;1570527681;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-07 22:25:11 asciilifeform: off to pet pets. bbl. 1942390;1570527715;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1942089 << ah so basically, pizarro owns the two smg machines. yes, this checks out with our accounting here. 1942391;1570527715;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-07 22:46:42 BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-10-07#1941897 << S.MG was to buy the two machines through payment of machines in kind 1942392;1570527758;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, do we have backups or do we need them ? if we need them ima have the disks mailed, but if not, i'd much rather have BingoBoingo destroy them. 1942393;1570527842;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: before asking to destroy, I'd much rather go through the steps of actually restoring from existing backups though; ie yes, backups we certainly have but I wouldn't push destroy button just yet if it's not burning hot. 1942394;1570527922;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1942095 << holy shit wtf muppetry is all this already. https://ibb.co/0K2Z4TK screenshot of a java-run console emulator wtf omfg kill it with fire. AND the unquotable line shows... exactly what we were discussing. they capped out at 4Mbps and thassit. 1942395;1570527922;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-07 23:39:14 BingoBoingo: Oscar did send some new graphs. One seems to show a lot of traffic hitting Latecho near, but not inside out block. https://ibb.co/MBCdf6X https://ibb.co/4NdZGcV https://ibb.co/0K2Z4TK https://ibb.co/zQHs76v 1942396;1570527949;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, not burning hot, i just want to help him disentangle as much as possible as fast as possible. when can you give an ok here ? 1942397;1570527985;mp_en_viaje;anyways, ima get some bfast here, we can continue this in a few. 1942398;1570529152;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: my latest db backup on production server is from Saturday (5th October); apparently the Sunday one didn't make it through. 1942399;1570529181;diana_coman;I doubt it makes any difference though ie it was just me and dpb connected and neither of us active otherwise. 1942400;1570529222;diana_coman;the website's backup is fully fine (ie from the shared pizarro machine nothing's needed for smg) 1942401;1570529301;diana_coman;both test and production servers backups seem fine and up to date at a minimal inspection; full test means setting them up and there's the involved issue of full environment for them (versions of everything and so on); for this reason I'd say end of this week (Sun 13th) rather than "today" 1942402;1570529815;diana_coman;BingoBoingo: my younghands.club backups are fine too so I can confirm I don't need anything from the shared machine re younghands.club either. 1942403;1570543483;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942101 << notwithstanding the resistance of the medium always wins in the end, i'm sure you could. 1942404;1570543483;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 00:11:21 lobbes: it is easy to look at, say MP, and go "well I'll never even be close to doing the things he does", but to me BingoBoingo's story is uniquely inspirational in that folx like myself can go "well, he made the jump into uncharted waters. He built *something* even if the resistance of the medium won in the end. Why couldn't I also build something?" 1942405;1570543673;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942110 << hey, the week after being threatened with being left behind in her streetwalker outfit for failing to read cyrillics, bimbo got in trouble for not knowing german. 1942406;1570543673;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 00:27:09 BingoBoingo: She's been working on getting some English language, but ripping her out of the Spanish language space and bringing her to eastern Europe and Slavic languages to get colocated with me near another datacenter... When the necessity of spreading seems to have been one of the lessons... It seems a bit much. 1942407;1570543704;mp_en_viaje;asking too much of your women is not nearly as bad as not asking enough. 1942408;1570543843;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942119 << i loled. 1942409;1570543843;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 00:41:26 asciilifeform: ( what to do there, is separate q, if i knew i'd buy for self also ! ) 1942410;1570543934;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942127 << nothing wrong with that. 1942411;1570543934;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 00:47:33 asciilifeform: the specific flavour of x86 boxen asciilifeform is partial to, has become a rarity, and imho worth to recover all of it for reuse. 1942412;1570543976;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942129 << wait, wtf, i'm a shareholder now ? when the fuck did that happen, i have no record of owning any equity 1942413;1570543976;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 00:49:46 asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942089 << if neither mod6 nor mp ( the other shareholders ) disagree , i'd like all of the piz irons to be sold for modest cost to the current tenants, who can then use . 1942414;1570543976;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-08 01:46:08 BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-10-07#1941897 << S.MG was to buy the two machines through payment of machines in kind 1942415;1570544055;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942135 << well, i don't particularly wanna ship these to cr ; i suppose we're uncovering a storage problem here ? 1942416;1570544055;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 00:54:20 asciilifeform: imho castle mpstein would be a proper home for the remaining FG's, asciilifeform does not know how long has 'until sepsis' . 1942417;1570544077;mp_en_viaje;is the idea you're actually packing to move out of us or what exactly is the underlying unspoken content ? 1942418;1570544223;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942140 << who designated it anyways ? 1942419;1570544223;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 01:00:43 asciilifeform: y'know, the designated spot where a pauper paups. 1942420;1570544372;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942155 << yeah, was remarkably slow. you're a master at discounting time-cost and time-risk, but consider : the probability of something like latechco weird occuring JUST AS you were preparing a supply run increases linearily with the amount of time you spend in that phase. 1942421;1570544372;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 01:09:40 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: fwiw piz was to be also asciilifeform's escape tunnel, but dug not even 1% of it, so is the smallest loss. 1942422;1570544380;mp_en_viaje;which here was about six months ? a year ? 1942423;1570544645;mp_en_viaje;you're quick to remember eg http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1941028 but not similarly quick to remember how exactly that came to be, namely that we had a supply run all scheduled and you twattled and twittled for SO FUCKING LONG it missed the window. remember, phf was gonna go, etc ? 1942424;1570544645;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-06 15:29:42 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: dun fughet where bv ended up delivering a crate for the cost of 3 1942425;1570544698;mp_en_viaje;sure, "not 1% dug". if you take forever to do anything, you'll never have done anything at any point, it's the way this works. gotta move fast and act decisively to get anywhere ; and no, this comes with no guarantee you'll get anywhere you wanted to go in the first place. 1942426;1570544790;BingoBoingo;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942304 << It's almost Rioplatense 1942427;1570544790;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 06:29:47 mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, how does it feel btw, to watch guys supposedly so far ahead in the race it brings tears to a man's eyes, nevertheless stumble over such "nothings" ? 1942428;1570544796;BingoBoingo; http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942315 << Scammed really early. Remerged sometime after I showed up with an EXCHANGE for his vaporware coin. SOLD his exchange on "written in C++ 1942429;1570544797;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 06:36:07 mp_en_viaje: anyoen recall the solidcoin btw ? such fucking great early-usg retardation, it was phenomenal. the empire of idiots is really following in some glorious footsteps with their genius "ideas". 1942430;1570544828;mp_en_viaje;you never know what you get. BingoBoingo went to uy to make a dc and apparently wants to stay for some chick ~from peru~ (who guaranteedly didn't go there to meet a gringo from the greater chicagoland areamasssurface) ; i [http://trilema.com/2014/on-the-superiority-of-monarchy-or-adnotations-to-why-the-worst-get-on-top/?b=I%20went%20to&e=things%20change#select][i went to costa rica for pride and stayed for the climate], etcetera 1942431;1570544852;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, yes but his whinings were the stuff of legend. "SOLIDCOIN WIL LTAKE OVER!!!" 1942432;1570544902;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: AHA, During both of his appearances 1942433;1570544908;mp_en_viaje;ye 1942434;1570544958;BingoBoingo;All caps, all the time, 1998-2005-ish "Real ultimate Ninja" style copy all the time 1942435;1570544978;diana_coman;after going through ~30 pre-selected ISPs and getting more of a headache than anything useful out of it, I'll take a break and a deep breath; at this rate I'll end up going to datacentre ~1km from here and at least talk to some idiots face to face rather than via email/chat/whatever. 1942436;1570544980;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942166 << seems this worked out alright in the end! 1942437;1570544981;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 03:52:09 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941886 - I'll fire him an email in a bit; thing is I'll be at console some 10 minutes past the austrian-10am 1942438;1570545009;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, and we just make the republic girl-only at that juncture also ? 1942439;1570545041;diana_coman;I keep hoping not... 1942440;1570545071;diana_coman;but atm I need a home for ossasepia.com and one for younghands.club and Maxim rather pissed me off 1942441;1570545071;mp_en_viaje;whodda thunk the problem of gender in tech is how to actually get any boys in at all. 1942442;1570545077;mp_en_viaje;lol why ? 1942443;1570545108;diana_coman;it's one thing to say he can't this and that; it's another thing to piss on business, dunno. 1942444;1570545144;mp_en_viaje;i dunno dood, nobody's obliged to take money. 1942445;1570545145;diana_coman;and at any rate, I clearly need to have stuff in more than 1 place, it's not sane to pile it all up in Chisinau as it's not sane to pile it all up anywhere else really 1942446;1570545155;mp_en_viaje;this is likely. 1942447;1570545162;diana_coman;sure; but then what, am I going to run after him with more money, wtf. 1942448;1570545176;mp_en_viaje;basically, failure of republic as such to have isp now forced all lords to have private isp, for more cost and more wasted effort and etc. 1942449;1570545177;mp_en_viaje;what can you do. 1942450;1570545230;diana_coman;quite so, yes. 1942451;1570545265;*;diana_coman will take a break and bbl. 1942452;1570545314;*;asciilifeform eats, slowly, log 1942453;1570545490;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942340 << works for me. 1942454;1570545490;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 07:10:49 diana_coman: both test and production servers backups seem fine and up to date at a minimal inspection; full test means setting them up and there's the involved issue of full environment for them (versions of everything and so on); for this reason I'd say end of this week (Sun 13th) rather than "today" 1942455;1570545519;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, will you be able to photodocument the destruction of said drives once you get the ok, currently some point soon after sun 13th ? 1942456;1570545671;mp_en_viaje;ima of course pay for the damage 1942457;1570545672;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942374 << this ftr isn't even that terribru an idea, if my amusement overwhelmed the substance. 1942458;1570545672;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 11:32:06 diana_coman: after going through ~30 pre-selected ISPs and getting more of a headache than anything useful out of it, I'll take a break and a deep breath; at this rate I'll end up going to datacentre ~1km from here and at least talk to some idiots face to face rather than via email/chat/whatever. 1942459;1570545720;asciilifeform;diana_coman: where's your current 'here' ? scotland ? 1942460;1570545793;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: I will photodocument destruction of everything with destruction requested 1942461;1570545820;mp_en_viaje;coo 1942462;1570545843;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: see if you can get some magnesium to shave.. 1942463;1570545882;asciilifeform;put in a pot, take to the hinterlands, strip off the plastics, roll camera, light. 1942464;1570545970;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942212 << [https://archive.is/oH9Xz][last snapshot] of it. 1942465;1570545970;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 05:47:08 mp_en_viaje: it's a hardware rng. i'd link you the specsheet / pics etc but atm its site is down 1942466;1570546026;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942259 << damn, broke teeth. was wondering if he would. 1942467;1570546026;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 06:09:01 maxim_mivo: I don't think that's possible. 1942468;1570546073;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942304 << asciilifeform dungetit , d00d doesn't like money or wat. 1942469;1570546073;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 06:29:47 mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, how does it feel btw, to watch guys supposedly so far ahead in the race it brings tears to a man's eyes, nevertheless stumble over such "nothings" ? 1942470;1570546108;mp_en_viaje;no, simply thinks theres things moar important than money. 1942471;1570546121;mp_en_viaje;ideological allignment is no hollow word. it's a thing. 1942472;1570546130;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942313 << ended up in it ( where imho he belongs ) but started out a disconnected crackpot in the wild, which is how asciilifeform started reading him then 1942473;1570546130;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 06:35:29 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1942059 << wasn't early. "solidcoin" lulz was early, this dude was with the "ehtereum"/mit labs crew. 1942474;1570546157;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: indeed a thing, and is why republican-biz is different from arbitrarily 'clever' and 'flexible' etc heathen 1942475;1570546173;mp_en_viaje;myeah 1942476;1570546208;BingoBoingo;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942335 << ty 1942477;1570546208;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 06:48:16 mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, not burning hot, i just want to help him disentangle as much as possible as fast as possible. when can you give an ok here ? 1942478;1570546278;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, specifically re urbit, it is very much mit media lab vintage. what blowhard [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1940787][internet media empire] antics he indulged before are imo unrelated (and also quite irrelevant) 1942479;1570546278;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-06 09:03:39 mp_en_viaje: Hi, I’m John D., your father and in this episode of Rated ARM TV, I’m gonna tell you the story of how I personally dismantled my own already incredibly awesome life in an attempt to give you, my one and only son a much better one than I had as a child, why it had to be done, and why this type of sacrificial behavior is one of the main ingredients of being A Real Man." 1942480;1570546399;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: the 'corporate' product was 100% mitistic aha. i tuned in when was 1 d00d. [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1390][chronicle piece re subj] for anyone who cares. 1942481;1570546409;asciilifeform;ancient history. 1942482;1570546549;mp_en_viaje;i [http://trilema.com/2013/mencius-moldbug-adnotated/][still] don;t perceive the difference between above quited john d. and historical curtis y, or [http://trilema.com/2014/yo-trilema-fratires/][tucker m.] or etc. this may be a failure of my differentiator, but w/e. 1942483;1570546554;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942320 << if they're un-fritzchipped (i.e. pre-2014) opterons, and sans-ipmi, i'ma be impressed. but even any kinda opteron offer -- rare nowadays . 1942484;1570546554;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 06:41:12 diana_coman: o.O there's at least one isp in bucharest actually offering an AMD Opteron dedicated ; take that asciilifeform ! 1942485;1570546617;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942351 << snsa's share . 1942486;1570546618;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 11:15:24 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942129 << wait, wtf, i'm a shareholder now ? when the fuck did that happen, i have no record of owning any equity 1942487;1570546643;mp_en_viaje;i am vaguely miffed in that i gave the dood his real name back and he never as much as acknowledged this service ; but then again such idiocy is [http://trilema.com/2015/the-harry-potter-challenge/][typically common] for the cuckbois. 1942488;1570546659;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Since Intel own-goaled on the optimizations thing and Intel lost the speed war, the NuOpterons have been selling 1942489;1570546670;mp_en_viaje;at least girls have enough sense to "oh, thank you for making me go naked the first time, AND THEREBY GIVING ME MY OWN BODY BACK" 1942490;1570546680;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: afaik selling mostly in konsoomer space. i've yet to see'em offered in racks. 1942491;1570546684;mp_en_viaje;but it takes about three and a half females to centrifuge enough stupid to make one makle. 1942492;1570546732;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, how did snsa end up owning part of pizarro ? 1942493;1570546752;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: FG crate + 2 machines (the very smg machines in fact) were the payment. 1942494;1570546775;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Not equity. S.NSA holds pizarro debt for the FG and machines 1942495;1570546776;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: do you have the log piece handy ? 1942496;1570546778;mp_en_viaje;either you provide some link or ima have to go fishing for wtf happened here. 1942497;1570546790;*;BingoBoingo to fish 1942498;1570546799;mp_en_viaje;ah yes, they do owe us some money, but i wasn't converted afaik. 1942499;1570546812;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942354 << i dun mind storing'em, just like didn't mind before they went to BingoBoingostan. they occupy only a briefcase. but also imho would be a shame to lose'em just because asciilifeform is gassed. ( and at some pt ~will~ be gassed, does not have a plan for to escape ) 1942500;1570546812;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 11:16:43 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942135 << well, i don't particularly wanna ship these to cr ; i suppose we're uncovering a storage problem here ? 1942501;1570546847;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, they will be gassed with anyway, ima just have to have someone else remake 'em. 1942502;1570546849;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942357 << in the olden days, priests designated. today/usa moar complicated, but very similar process. 1942503;1570546849;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 11:19:31 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942140 << who designated it anyways ? 1942504;1570546874;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, so if your top nodes are designated by w/e priests, what are you bothering me for ? 1942505;1570546878;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: you've the complete plans, so can remake. but is fiddly process, likely to take a while. 1942506;1570546887;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i dunget ? 1942507;1570546894;mp_en_viaje;which part ? 1942508;1570546901;asciilifeform;'top nodes..' 1942509;1570546911;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-25#1785997 1942510;1570546911;a111;Logged on 2018-02-25 16:38 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes how about you lot take three dozen FGs at .45 ? (cash ; or at your option .5 BTC worth of convertible bonds for s.nsa). 1942511;1570546920;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: echoing loggers pleeez 1942512;1570546926;mp_en_viaje;you said "my place is ordained here" i asked who ordained. you said "priests". this begs the question, why are you here ? 1942513;1570546964;mp_en_viaje;if your lookup system includes a different top node, then why bother with this ? 1942514;1570546999;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform described before, that does not know a profession that would allow him not only to eat, but sufficient dough+time to do anyffing meaningful, in arbitrary island. 1942515;1570547006;mp_en_viaje;this has no bearing. 1942516;1570547020;BingoBoingo;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2018-02-25#1785997 1942517;1570547020;ossabot;Logged on 2018-02-25 11:38:23 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes how about you lot take three dozen FGs at .45 ? (cash ; or at your option .5 BTC worth of convertible bonds for s.nsa). 1942518;1570547030;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, indeed. 1942519;1570547121;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942359 << what would a full crate delivered to a dead cage have done ? ( other than to make asciilifeform completely, rather than near-completely, broke ) ? 1942520;1570547121;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 11:22:00 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942155 << yeah, was remarkably slow. you're a master at discounting time-cost and time-risk, but consider : the probability of something like latechco weird occuring JUST AS you were preparing a supply run increases linearily with the amount of time you spend in that phase. 1942521;1570547210;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, look, when discussion re "why don't you sell" is brought, you run under http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1941047 ; but when discussion is brought to how "you were prepping this what to sell for 1yr+, of course something was bound to happen in that sorta interval", you aim to run under "what was i gonna do, something eventually did happen" 1942522;1570547210;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-06 15:33:24 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i aint actually disagreeing in re 'must sell'. but pointing out that also must have ~what~ to sell. 1942523;1570547219;mp_en_viaje;sure, eventually did happen. 1942524;1570547234;asciilifeform;would've made 0 diff in re the specific bullet. 1942525;1570547250;asciilifeform;other than 3x moar pissed off subscribers. 1942526;1570547268;mp_en_viaje;how long have you "not had what to sell" ? 1942527;1570547283;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: since last rk sold. which is iirc august. 1942528;1570547293;mp_en_viaje;and before that, had one rk ? 1942529;1570547309;asciilifeform;aha ( BingoBoingo , say if this correct ) 1942530;1570547350;mp_en_viaje;well, either one or the other of the statements is false. either you did not sell because idiots ; or else did not sell because had not to sell. if the latter's the case, you had not to sell because you took your sweet time. 1942531;1570547379;asciilifeform;'took sweet time' lol. asciilifeform -- is inmate, in fucking gulag. gets 2w of leave / yr . 1942532;1570547387;mp_en_viaje;but be all this as it may, not like you're not paying for it : the longer you spend prone, the likelier you get hurt. 1942533;1570547413;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: not disputing the general principle. but finding it difficult to see how would have made a diff re the latech thing. 1942534;1570547416;mp_en_viaje;jaywaling in 3 seconds is a lot more feasible than jaywalking in 3 days -- even the most deserted roads get a coupla cars / week 1942535;1570547496;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942369 << BingoBoingo correct if wrong , but asciilifeform's impression is that BingoBoingo wants to stay not 'for chix' but simply not wants to go back to gulag. which imho is entirely reasonable . 1942536;1570547496;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 11:29:36 mp_en_viaje: you never know what you get. BingoBoingo went to uy to make a dc and apparently wants to stay for some chick ~from peru~ (who guaranteedly didn't go there to meet a gringo from the greater chicagoland areamasssurface) ; i [http://trilema.com/2014/on-the-superiority-of-monarchy-or-adnotations-to-why-the-worst-get-on-top/?b=I%20went%20to&e=things%20change#select][i went to costa rica for pride and stayed for the cli 1942537;1570547502;BingoBoingo;In fiatardation and "targeted sanctions": Adobe canceled their software subscriptions to all customers with Vzla billing addresses, no refunds. 1942538;1570547518;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: someone in that orcistan ~paid~ for adobe?! 1942539;1570547521;mp_en_viaje;keks, because "not a country no more" ? 1942540;1570547528;asciilifeform;whythefuck would anyone ~pay~ for it 1942541;1570547538;asciilifeform;it's like paying for winblows 1942542;1570547551;asciilifeform;ever met anyone who paid for winblows?! 1942543;1570547566;mp_en_viaje;sure. 1942544;1570547581;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Mostly don't want to go back to the Zone. Chick is a part that weighs in favor of LATAM as preferred area out of zone. 1942545;1570547591;asciilifeform;asciilifeform -- met, but never imagined anyone outside of usatardia 'corporate' ever has. 1942546;1570547632;mp_en_viaje;im sure all the miamists in shitole, anywhere buy apple whatever. 1942547;1570547656;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: if you get chance to take up ex-sovokistans , i recc to take it. they're a higher cut of orc imho . 1942548;1570547659;mp_en_viaje;pretty sure i put this in the log somewhere, about how all the bums collect artefacts, even if broken, to stroke their spurious feelings of belonging 1942549;1570547674;mp_en_viaje;i wouldn't agree, having been there recently. 1942550;1570547675;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: you had a piece with gypsy sewer bunker and old sovok phone. 1942551;1570547700;mp_en_viaje;ex sovok slightly lower cut of orc than ex-spanish empire. 1942552;1570547700;*;BingoBoingo remembers seeing Windows 95 rollout at the local walmart. People saying "Oh, this is going to be like cars with new models denominated always and forever by model year" 1942553;1570547703;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i liked ro moar than uy but possibly am alone in this. 1942554;1570547728;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, sovok world is belarus, ukraina, kazahstan etc 1942555;1570547765;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: formally yes. i'm counting all the places where father parachuted tho. 1942556;1570547783;mp_en_viaje;sure, mitteleuropa not bad. 1942557;1570547812;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942387 << this indeed so, and dark age returneth. 1942558;1570547812;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 11:35:25 mp_en_viaje: basically, failure of republic as such to have isp now forced all lords to have private isp, for more cost and more wasted effort and etc. 1942559;1570547835;mp_en_viaje;whatevs, just raises the bar to lordship some more. 1942560;1570547870;*;asciilifeform aint even sure if he 'believes in isp' any moar. there may not be such a thing as a 'safe basket for 9000 eggs' 1942561;1570547924;BingoBoingo; ex sovok slightly lower cut of orc than ex-spanish empire. << The diversity of Latin folk here creates spaces where not everything is pure resistance all the time. 1942562;1570548123;mp_en_viaje;i was deeply unimpressed with the rusland orclettes. yes, tall and slender, but no tits no ass, dumber than fucking rocks in any case. latinas at least have some vague notions of functional social insertion, but the radiocontaminated remnants of that fallen empire are pretty much exactly the [http://trilema.com/2016/tangerine/?b=The%20third&e=self#select][white trash] except vastly pretentious and deeply unexperienced with what be 1942563;1570548124;mp_en_viaje;ignm as poor as they are actuallty means in practice 1942564;1570548138;mp_en_viaje;because stronger fambly insulates them as its ~only output. 1942565;1570548183;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje's reqs might differ from BingoBoingo's , but i've nfi 1942566;1570548214;mp_en_viaje;i guess. 1942567;1570548226;*;BingoBoingo notices Uruguay selects for immigrants willing to at least physicly separate from extended family constraint 1942568;1570548232;asciilifeform;probably to ask asciilifeform 'where good orcistans' is like to ask dog re what good to eat. asciilifeform liked even argentina . 1942569;1570548271;*;BingoBoingo has met sufficient Porteños to support MP's damnation of Argentina. 1942570;1570548289;mp_en_viaje;anyway, point being, i wouldn't buy a truckload of sovok importa for ten dollars. 1942571;1570548295;mp_en_viaje;imports* 1942572;1570548297;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: naturally i believe mp_en_viaje, who did 2+yr tour. speaking of only what saw with own eyes. 1942573;1570548365;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, the problem with pollution is such, that any movement is helpful -- the great boon from escaping the toxin cocktail you're already overthelmed by will overpower on the short term any shortcomings 1942574;1570548375;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i buy this 100% 1942575;1570548389;mp_en_viaje;man who came in from the cold might even think zyklon "showers" pleasant smelling for a spell 1942576;1570548402;asciilifeform;simply coming out of the gulag is unspeakable 'trip', aha 1942577;1570548449;asciilifeform;if asciilifeform had sat in e.g. argentina long enuff to need, say, a tooth fixed, prolly would have immediately seen same light that mp_en_viaje saw 1942578;1570548533;mp_en_viaje;anyway. i shall bbl 1942579;1570548534;asciilifeform;some places immediately seem broken tho. e.g. asciilifeform only needed a day in bucharest to understand that would not want to live there. 1942580;1570548585;asciilifeform;( it wasn't any worse than usa's chicago tho. ) 1942581;1570548996;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942327 << sometimes there is cat. 1942582;1570548997;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 06:43:48 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1942085 << hanbot_abroad check it out, this got a plural meanwhile. 1942583;1570549078;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942344 << lol, i thought you didn't let'em off leash until they knew local lang 1942584;1570549078;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 11:10:21 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942110 << hey, the week after being threatened with being left behind in her streetwalker outfit for failing to read cyrillics, bimbo got in trouble for not knowing german. 1942585;1570549166;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: seems like the FGs will be going here, plox to obtain a suitable crate, i'ma gpg addr later today 1942586;1570549191;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: come to think of it, better 2-3 crates than 1. 1942587;1570549219;asciilifeform;eggs/baskets. 1942588;1570549344;*;asciilifeform also bbl. 1942589;1570551762;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942225 << dulap -- yes, would like to spend some time w/ it ( it needs new disks, and prolly ducts to be cleaned ) but as for the other boxen, oughta ask their operators where they want'em to go. 1942590;1570551762;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 05:54:07 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, will you want the boxes shipped over to you first to inspect seals and so on ? 1942591;1570551830;asciilifeform;esp. since the moldavian fella's candidacy fell down. may be a while before a destination is found . 1942592;1570551907;*;asciilifeform again experimenting w/ 'what if within physical range of asciilifeform ?' but does not expect fat return. granted these wouldn't in a million years eat btc, but w/ mp's agreement, asciilifeform could feed it orcbux and eat btc . in principle. 1942593;1570551957;asciilifeform;i would not propose to attempt 'isp' in the heart of mordor, but possibly could house a box or two that way. 1942594;1570552029;asciilifeform;the smg boxen (already FG'd etc) i expect diana_coman will want sent straight to where they are to live again. and meanwhile they will go under BingoBoingo's bed or similar. 1942595;1570552045;asciilifeform;re mod6's and trinque's , is necessary to ask'em , meanwhile also with BingoBoingo . 1942596;1570552353;asciilifeform;re smg again -- if diana_coman wants cleaning/redisking/inspection, i'll do it , but oughta keep in mind that if they visit usa there is moar likely to be what to inspect for in 1st place, obv. 1942597;1570552406;asciilifeform;as i understand, diana_coman has asked for the old disks to be cremated, so the smg boxes will need redisking, but potentially this could be done on-site where they are to go 1942598;1570552522;asciilifeform;the spread of the impi retardation among heathens is potential problem: would have to either swallow it (i disabled in all of these) or find someone who , like the moldavian, is willing to serialport ( dun solve the problem of os installation tho, to such a place would have to ship'em with disks containing something resembling os ) 1942599;1570552596;asciilifeform;in piz, we solved this by having kvm device in the rack. apparently heathens no longer keep these around, near as i can tell. 1942600;1570552618;asciilifeform;( 'just use ipmi, what are you, terrorist ? ' etc ) 1942601;1570552641;asciilifeform;[http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-27#1004175][see also] . 1942602;1570552642;ossabot;(ossasepia) 2019-09-27 maxim_mivo: We don't offer a KVM service since all our servers are equipped with an OOB Managment module (iDRAC, IPMI, iLO, etc.) 1942603;1570552683;asciilifeform;maintenance (of e.g. box that somehow got misconfigged and can't sit down on net) via serial plug is possible , but not os install. 1942604;1570552706;asciilifeform;for os, we had a BingoBoingo who physically soldiered in the rack w/ boot sticks etc. 1942605;1570552869;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo have you thought about where to put qntra ? i already miss qntra . 1942606;1570552876;asciilifeform;would like to see it return asap. 1942607;1570552952;asciilifeform;nao, to continue the funeral, at some pt shareholders will have to decide what-do re the remaining pieces, incl. coin. specifically, how much to burn on attempting orc lawsuit etc. 1942608;1570552980;asciilifeform;and BingoBoingo will have to decide wat-do re the crater. at the very least must get out of the latech contract, or may have to evacuate on short notice . 1942609;1570553323;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: customers will have to get pro-rated refunds, iirc buncha folx refueled just week ago. 1942610;1570553433;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: rk's i suggest to be offered to their current inhabitants for cost of postage. ( and if anyone would rather have the disk stick cremated, oughta indicate, and it then added to the pyre ) . the rk's per se have no writable storage aside from the sd & stick . 1942611;1570553554;asciilifeform;folx who want live disks mailed, are to understand that the integrity of their contents cannot be guaranteed. 1942612;1570553568;asciilifeform;raid arrays (e.g. asciilifeform's) i recommend to be mailed in N separate envelopes. 1942613;1570553607;asciilifeform;a 'last hurrah' of the raid5 functionality. 1942614;1570553636;asciilifeform;anyone who has something other than a raid5 and wants disks mailed, plox to indicate. 1942615;1570553981;asciilifeform;as for why anyone would want an rk back -- potentially could colo'em , if you buy a 19in box (20bux or so) . most colo outfits dun give a damn what you colo so long as it hangs on the rail . 1942616;1570554014;asciilifeform;will of course cost like any other box . 1942617;1570554081;asciilifeform;they have quite respectable performance, for e.g. blog; and nuffin intelistic inside'em. Gb nic, too. 1942618;1570554151;asciilifeform;storage aint restricted to thumb-sized stick, either -- at least 1 subscriber iirc had a full-sized 'samsung' ssd plugged in via snake. 1942619;1570554468;asciilifeform;iirc at least 1 had a trb noad going on rk . 1942620;1570554830;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Aite, I acquired ratcheting straps for the hand truck. About to get some boxes out. 1942621;1570555206;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: use that suitcase you had as cushion (or i suppose could take cab) 1942622;1570555230;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: if you roll'em 'naked' on a wheelbarrow, are likely to suffer the fate of harrison's 1st chronometer. 1942623;1570555459;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Will use some sort of cushion. The full sized boxes are too large for any suitcase I brought to Uruguay. Hence the value of your ancient giants. 1942624;1570555927;asciilifeform;aite. 1942625;1570555933;asciilifeform;i rec cab for movement of these. 1942626;1570555938;asciilifeform;rather than wheelbarrow 3km. 1942627;1570556132;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Reasonably smooth .6 km path. Will cab if proceeding delicately on foot is unfeasible. 1942628;1570556187;asciilifeform;aite. would be a shame to lose opterons on acct of skimping 5 $ of cab tho. 1942629;1570556371;BingoBoingo;Aite. 1942630;1570556631;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942333 << ftr i found it impossible to determine ~anyffin from the given photos. 1942631;1570556631;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 06:47:49 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1942095 << holy shit wtf muppetry is all this already. https://ibb.co/0K2Z4TK screenshot of a java-run console emulator wtf omfg kill it with fire. AND the unquotable line shows... exactly what we were discussing. they capped out at 4Mbps and thassit. 1942632;1570556695;asciilifeform;seems like (supposing it even makes sense to discuss the output of muppets as if it were a measurement) represents the intake ~after~ it has gone through latech. i.e. the 'they blocked us upstream' story of theirs dun check out. 1942633;1570556720;mod6;BingoBoingo: Working on some login info for you here... 1942634;1570556795;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: These per the narrative I was given were passed by dedicado suggesting we are several layers deep in unsustainable sysco weird. 1942635;1570556874;BingoBoingo;Hanging off of predictably unresponsive Centurylink, who the probably selected on the basis of "biggest, etc" along 1942636;1570556882;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: from what was given, impossible even to say ~how many~ layers ! 1942637;1570556892;asciilifeform;much less ~what~ layers 1942638;1570556892;BingoBoingo;Indeed 1942639;1570556897;*;BingoBoingo about to roll 1942640;1570556918;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: laters then 1942641;1570558158;mod6;BingoBoingo: http://www.mod6.net/4bb/bb_tbf_piz.txt.asc 1942642;1570558220;*;mod6 will bbl 1942643;1570560044;BingoBoingo;mod6: ty 1942644;1570560061;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Dulap and two S.MG machines extracted 1942645;1570560093;asciilifeform;a++ BingoBoingo 1942646;1570560164;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Only folks who said anything were the ones at the building door. Instructed me to use a different exit next time. 1942647;1570560642;mp_en_viaje;omfg salzburg is a piece of shit 1942648;1570560707;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1942027 << this strikes me as utterly insane, for a spot of work that in my book counts to about 5 man-hours. 1942649;1570560707;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-07 21:24:16 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941645 << at my current rate of developing the thing, I will give a tentative estimate of Jan 1st 2020 as delivery date of whole enchilada. I will update this deadline quickly if I see it threatening to be pushed 1942650;1570560708;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-07 21:34:35 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941357 << i meant the whole thing, when you're ready to make delivery and i hafta have a server ready for you to do this on. 1942651;1570560708;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-07 13:06:49 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941226 << The 'first chunk' which spits lines into the mpwp db should be complete by the end of this month (as in patched and ready to go). That's a conservative estimate as well; hopefully sooner. 1942652;1570560708;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-07 06:37:31 mp_en_viaje: lobbes, when is it you'll need a server to sit down orchestra on ? 1942653;1570560714;mp_en_viaje;but, whatevs, what can i do. 1942654;1570560852;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942517 << yeh, bucharest is detroit level broken, glassing would improve. 1942655;1570560852;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 12:31:23 asciilifeform: some places immediately seem broken tho. e.g. asciilifeform only needed a day in bucharest to understand that would not want to live there. 1942656;1570560942;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942531 << why not, specifically ? what are they going to do, at the worst, else/dffferent from orctards in ~selected~ orcland ? 1942657;1570560943;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 13:28:26 asciilifeform: i would not propose to attempt 'isp' in the heart of mordor, but possibly could house a box or two that way. 1942658;1570561009;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: point! difficult to picture how could worse than uy orcs 1942659;1570561025;mp_en_viaje;right ? 1942660;1570561038;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942530 << i don't see a problem with it, provided it doesn't become a complicated game of not enough coin etc. 1942661;1570561038;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 13:27:36 asciilifeform: again experimenting w/ 'what if within physical range of asciilifeform ?' but does not expect fat return. granted these wouldn't in a million years eat btc, but w/ mp's agreement, asciilifeform could feed it orcbux and eat btc . in principle. 1942662;1570561136;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i'ma then investigate . 1942663;1570561164;mp_en_viaje;at the worst they're giing to "omfg, child porn". which 100% maps to "ddos", orcs just went dumb. 1942664;1570561183;mp_en_viaje;does anyone give the first shit whether the wardrums go ooga booga or oo-aa ? 1942665;1570561206;mp_en_viaje;either they behave or they misbehave, how they explain it to themselves is not even interesting to "their' women. 1942666;1570561324;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: advantage of local orcs, supposing can agree on price, is that if their park suxx, can walk over and remove in half hr 1942667;1570561331;asciilifeform;rather than freight mails. 1942668;1570561337;mp_en_viaje;right. 1942669;1570561461;asciilifeform;so far seems that signif. higher cost in northern idiotistan, if only on acct of 'buy 1 hole' vs cage . tends around 300-400 $ per . 1942670;1570561608;asciilifeform;i dunno who these people think they are, to ask for half the cost of a whole flat, for 1u. but so far these. 1942671;1570561615;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942537 << i suppose this'll take moar thinking huh 1942672;1570561615;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 13:39:05 asciilifeform: in piz, we solved this by having kvm device in the rack. apparently heathens no longer keep these around, near as i can tell. 1942673;1570561642;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: one simple pill is to colo a kvm. but obv. 1) costs 2) someone has to agree to operate. 1942674;1570561688;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: fwiw the 1 i purchased for piz, didn't even occupy a rack slot, it was ultracompact matchbox-cum-wires thing 1942675;1570561760;mp_en_viaje;there's no real reason it should take a u rly. 1942676;1570561779;asciilifeform;well that 1 didn't. and only occupied a switch hole even when was operating. 1942677;1570561789;asciilifeform;( there's 0 reason to leave these hanging 24/7 ) 1942678;1570561828;asciilifeform;ftr i did ~not~ like that kvm tho, needed toilet computer to operate (java shitware client) but exhaustive market survey yielded ~only~ that 1942679;1570561956;asciilifeform;was used only coupla times, to fiddle bios configs when baked new raid arrays . 1942680;1570561994;asciilifeform;( for machine setups, preferred to use BingoBoingo as living kvm... ) 1942681;1570562189;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942598 << ftr asciilifeform can afford to feed a 3-4hundy cow. but so long as in fact gives milk. and still seems steep imho . 1942682;1570562189;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 15:59:48 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942530 << i don't see a problem with it, provided it doesn't become a complicated game of not enough coin etc. 1942683;1570562213;*;BingoBoingo stretching a bit before I roll again. Tweaked hip a bit unloading cart 1942684;1570562222;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: don't break yerself 1942685;1570562276;BingoBoingo;!o seen trinque 1942686;1570562277;ossabot;trinque last seen here on [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939930][2019-10-03 22:53:34]: sorry for the gagged deedbot meanwhile; that outage caught me in the middle of a multi-channel experiment 1942687;1570562316;asciilifeform;!o seen-anywhere trinque 1942688;1570562317;ossabot;trinque last seen in #trilema on [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939930][2019-10-03 22:53:34]: sorry for the gagged deedbot meanwhile; that outage caught me in the middle of a multi-channel experiment 1942689;1570562349;asciilifeform;fella's gonna come back to a 2MB log read, it seems 1942690;1570562363;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: He had a bouncer on UY1 1942691;1570562370;asciilifeform;i recall 1942692;1570562387;asciilifeform;his www too . 1942693;1570562496;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: For the next three extractions I am leaning towards taking mod6/BTF, trinque, and the shared leaving Qntra/DNS, Rockchip plant, S.NSA vacant, switch, and the bilge box to be extracted 1942694;1570562537;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: do the vacant -- last, but otherwise ok 1942695;1570562576;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: switch similarly last. 1942696;1570562595;asciilifeform;boxen belonging to not-piz oughta be rescued 1st. 1942697;1570562656;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i assume already extracted all easily-removable disks ? 1942698;1570562704;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Right. The ones I haven't yet taken are coming out next trip. Had to get more labeling tape 1942699;1570562848;asciilifeform;aite. 1942700;1570562857;*;BingoBoingo will probably have to use duffel for RKplane given it's delicacy seems incompatible with ratchet straps and ride 1942701;1570562871;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it weighs what, kg. 1942702;1570562877;asciilifeform;can carry in lappy bag. 1942703;1570562973;BingoBoingo;Well, the width makes it a challenge for that. Back bag only so tall. Strongly disinclined to leave it open an take the astronomicly small chance pichi blazed out on pasta base gets unusually curious/bold. 1942704;1570563018;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: can retrieve it last, if you must. get the disks labeled and out 1st, they ought fit in pocket. 1942705;1570563078;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: rk per se is perhaps the least expensive piece in there, asciilifeform for instance is sitting on a crate of 16 new ones right here and presently nfi what to do with'em 1942706;1570563094;BingoBoingo;Aite 1942707;1570563118;asciilifeform;important to get the disks tho, the rk people may want'em. 1942708;1570563184;asciilifeform;wb mp_en_viaje 1942709;1570563199;mp_en_viaje;aite well, shall be off for the night. 1942710;1570563204;asciilifeform;goodnight mp_en_viaje 1942711;1570563208;mp_en_viaje;:p 1942712;1570563209;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: Enjoy 1942713;1570563211;diana_coman;asciilifeform: dunno, maybe s.nsa could sell hardware including rk plants? for me asciilifeform-seal is worth something really. 1942714;1570563298;*;diana_coman goes to eat some log 1942715;1570563352;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i'd happily sell. but who to buy... 1942716;1570563382;asciilifeform;and ty diana_coman , i did not know that you esteemed the seal. 1942717;1570563404;*;asciilifeform will happily build any kind of box for diana_coman's works. 1942718;1570563446;asciilifeform;if diana_coman & co need cyclotron -- will build cyclotron. 1942719;1570563523;diana_coman;asciilifeform: I somehow think I might not be the only one valuing your seal; but anyway. 1942720;1570563538;asciilifeform;btw diana_coman there is [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1942068][bug fix] , in case this was lost in the chaos . 1942721;1570563539;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-07 21:53:44 asciilifeform: lobbes, diana_coman : [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3452][logotron tree updated], removed 'shlex' , tested with bare hands on local staging box ( baitbot ! ) , can be used . 1942722;1570563583;diana_coman;asciilifeform: I am slowly digesting log (because I ate too much ips-talk today really) but I'll get to that too, thank you. 1942723;1570563606;asciilifeform;ty diana_coman . 1942724;1570563630;asciilifeform;nuffin catastrophic in that patch, simply cures the single-quotes thing. 1942725;1570563691;diana_coman;I got to the point where I'm firing them emails ~ can I order that or the other *without* your "account" that I utterly don't need; and similar. 1942726;1570563728;asciilifeform;diana_coman: anyone got past this just yet ? 1942727;1570563739;diana_coman;some are at least...looking to see if they can 1942728;1570563745;diana_coman;some are yet to wake up and answer 1942729;1570563799;diana_coman;fwiw romanians are *still* the most responsive for some reason; and honestly, I even tried to steer away from ro. 1942730;1570563841;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Off to roll and disk 1942731;1570563857;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: a++ 1942732;1570563920;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i currently do not know why mp [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940500][fatwa'd ro], but must assume it was not because flag is wrong three colours 1942733;1570563921;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-04 23:32:29 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: back in '17 when dulap-I crater was still smoking , asciilifeform wanted to try ro . but mp_en_viaje said that it was poor site, and i'm inclined to think that he had good reason to say this. 1942734;1570563977;diana_coman;it *is* poor site; but a. still better than no site b. for diversity/maybe finding some actual people it may still work 1942735;1570564002;asciilifeform;hell i'm even considering the swamp an' digging for offerings there. 1942736;1570564002;diana_coman;ie it's one thing if you look at it to make an isp and another if not 1942737;1570564021;asciilifeform;for 'expendable' parking spot, almost anyffin is worth a test, imho 1942738;1570564031;diana_coman;but yes otherwise and moreover, it's no diversity if I don't go with moldavians but I go with Bucharest; 0 diversity in that really 1942739;1570564100;asciilifeform;diana_coman: if yer box is in a place you can potentially physically get to -- the reqs for the innkeeper are much looser potentially 1942740;1570564134;asciilifeform;( in re such things as [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942611][this] ) 1942741;1570564134;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 16:09:51 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: one simple pill is to colo a kvm. but obv. 1) costs 2) someone has to agree to operate. 1942742;1570564148;diana_coman;myeah but a bit too many potentially + having to get to it is yet another thing on top of a huge pile 1942743;1570564168;asciilifeform;diana_coman: it isn't as if you rebuild os from empty disk erryday. 1942744;1570564185;asciilifeform;to drive a coupla km once in a leap year is perhaps tolerable. 1942745;1570564206;*;asciilifeform brb,tea 1942746;1570564608;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942398 -neah, Reading near London; there are a few data centers right next door, it's a rather active area in this sense. 1942747;1570564608;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 11:44:28 asciilifeform: diana_coman: where's your current 'here' ? scotland ? 1942748;1570565190;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942657 << fwiw in most cases re: hardware I'd value asciilifeform's seal more than I'd value my own 1942749;1570565190;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-08 19:40:36 diana_coman: asciilifeform: I somehow think I might not be the only one valuing your seal; but anyway. 1942750;1570565358;lobbes;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942586 << I anticipated this response, but not sure how you figure utterly insane. I'm not asciilifeform nor diana_coman for e.g.; I'm still pretty "green" at programming and need to research each design phase and thoroughly test my implementations as I go to make sure it is correct. Oftentimes discover "shit, I fucked up, need to redo this part". I.e. learning as I go 1942751;1570565358;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 15:54:16 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1942027 << this strikes me as utterly insane, for a spot of work that in my book counts to about 5 man-hours. 1942752;1570565364;lobbes;Add in the feedback cycle, digging into mpwp mysql guts, new additions to spec tacked on (here I would link to various documented pieces on blog, if I had a working one) and I don't come anywhere close to 5-hours. It will be serving Trilema, and it is needed to be correct in one go; no do-overs. My reputation's on the line here. Spot of work my foot! 1942753;1570565465;diana_coman;asciilifeform: from bucharest with amd-love: amd opteron x2150 apu 4 cores 1.5GHz 8 GB ddr3, centos7 1942754;1570565505;diana_coman;but no, they called 3 dudes to talk to me and still can't get over this outlandish idea that I do.not.want.to.make.account.with.them 1942755;1570565937;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Was instructed to ask Latecho to add the handcart door to my card to use the hand truck again. Going for all disks, all I can carry without wheels trip. 1942756;1570565964;asciilifeform;diana_coman: it's still neato. wonder if they'd cut out impi, emplace raid, FG . 1942757;1570565975;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: what means 'add handcard door to card ?' 1942758;1570565981;asciilifeform;*handcart 1942759;1570566033;diana_coman;asciilifeform: while they were willing to talk/ask someone else to come and talk to this weird woman, they were utterly shocked at ~any request; to the point of 4min silence followed by a total change of subject 1942760;1570566065;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Apparently they don't want wheels scuffing up the floors of the lobby, hence have to use service entrance 1942761;1570566065;asciilifeform;diana_coman: sounds like the typical 'leper's bell' of 'we do only what's in this here 3ring binder' 1942762;1570566070;diana_coman;I suppose I'm so outside of their corporation worksheet that they just blink for 4 minutes and reset to next point on the checklist 1942763;1570566102;asciilifeform;diana_coman: 'blink for 4min and reset' is very apt summary, sounds like what BingoBoingo's latech grunts did last night when asked 'wtf' 1942764;1570566121;diana_coman;so despite the lovely amd, I think I can't currently stomach its masters. 1942765;1570566142;asciilifeform;diana_coman: sorta why i dun even look at other than colo anymoar 1942766;1570566144;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Everytime we did this with the wheeled luggage, the WTC people wanked the same wank, but with the luggage we always did that in one shot and non-issue. Card works normally for normal doors. 1942767;1570566165;asciilifeform;diana_coman: it ~always makes moarsense to physically send in a box, esp. if you have box already. costwise too. 1942768;1570566211;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: seems like 9000x greater concern for their (indeed mirror-smooth, i nearly slipped on it) marble floor , than for working dc!! 1942769;1570566220;diana_coman;asciilifeform: atm I don't have box ready for this (I wasn't actually prepared for pizarro death, what can I say) + I'd rather know a bit more about those to whom I'm sending boxes, dunno. 1942770;1570566224;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: hey did they ever fix that button in the lift ? 1942771;1570566286;*;asciilifeform in piz tower pushed what looked like button in the lift, it fell N stories down, and hole -- razor-sharp 1942772;1570566350;asciilifeform;diana_coman: perhaps you will want to locate several boxes , in diff. parks. moar resistance to sudden deaths. 1942773;1570566471;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942688 << lobbes , i am prolly the slowest pair of hands here, mp never once misses a chance to remind of this... 1942774;1570566471;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 17:11:48 lobbes: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942586 << I anticipated this response, but not sure how you figure utterly insane. I'm not asciilifeform nor diana_coman for e.g.; I'm still pretty "green" at programming and need to research each design phase and thoroughly test my implementations as I go to make sure it is correct. Oftentimes discover "shit, I fucked up, need to redo this part". I.e. learning as I go 1942775;1570566546;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Ah, sí they fixed that number light thing 1942776;1570566567;lobbes;asciilifeform: I dunno, you got that logotron out at breakneck speedz ( I know you recycled phuctor's www chunks, but still ) 1942777;1570566571;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: lol naturally, can't have broken lamps!111 or smudged floor! who needs a working cable!1111 1942778;1570566594;asciilifeform;lobbes: if asciilifeform appears to do sumthing quickly, it is only because was simple job. ( or terrible kludge piece. ) 1942779;1570566625;lobbes;asciilifeform: I guess that was my point; what is simple for you ain't so simple for me 1942780;1570566641;lobbes;not yet at least 1942781;1570566660;asciilifeform;lobbes: i suspect that you will find certain things very simple, that asciilifeform has not strength to even attempt of yet. 1942782;1570566672;asciilifeform;this was tru for e.g. BingoBoingo . 1942783;1570566698;asciilifeform;lobbes ever heard of kuklachev ? 1942784;1570566705;asciilifeform;fella ran a circus in moscow. with housecats . 1942785;1570566712;lobbes;lol, btw, at dc where we learn marble floors > working dc and lifts that don't have booby traps 1942786;1570566736;asciilifeform;they were thought to be untrainable. but turned out that erry cat had a performance that he's willingly do. was matter of finding. 1942787;1570566762;asciilifeform;lobbes: re dc and floors, this is i suspect typical . 1942788;1570566809;asciilifeform;they , like erry scamatron, are more interested in getting new rubes to sign fat contract than to actually service existing. ( esp. if 'new contract' is 'netflix cache' etc ) 1942789;1570566880;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Brb, disk run 1942790;1570567099;lobbes;asciilifeform: interesting re: kuklachev (I had never heard of him). And I see what you mean, though even when found what a certain cat is willing to do, still must train that cat. I do enjoy what I do/have done here so far, just... I still have much to learn 1942791;1570567123;asciilifeform;naturally 0 cat will perform immediately when plucked from alley. 1942792;1570567126;asciilifeform;still trained. 1942793;1570567221;*;asciilifeform will be the last 1 who is to be asked re training critter, must leave the subj to folx w/ actual high pilotage under their belt, mp & co 1942794;1570567398;asciilifeform;lobbes: speaking strictly for self -- 'quick' jobs are quick because they (incl. 'fit problem in head' phase) can be fit into a single slot in b/w salt mine idjicies. whereas things large enuff as not fit, much moar friction. (erry time must load it in... again, again, ... ) 1942795;1570567529;asciilifeform;lobbes: items like [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3420][this], or [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2875][this], asciilifeform was able to pull off by burning 'vacation days' . 1942796;1570567540;asciilifeform;ditto phuctor, FG, etc 1942797;1570567733;asciilifeform;which is why when i encounter a fella like shinohai, who has 100% of his time, it boggles my mind that he hasn't built a thermonuclear dirigible simply as a side effect of basic fucking metabolism 1942798;1570567779;asciilifeform;picture, to be able to actually think about something uninterrupted for 3, 4, 10, 100 days!! 1942799;1570567842;diana_coman;asciilifeform: you see the problem on "uninterrupted" but others see it on "think about something" , you know 1942800;1570567905;asciilifeform;diana_coman: this is tru, when i was 7yo also 'had time to think for 100d' but what resulted in was of course not worth to print anywhere ('a good bear but not a good dancer', who wants a 7yo's home-baked diode? ) 1942801;1570568079;diana_coman;asciilifeform: did you actually check/press to that last shlex_removal? 1942802;1570568103;asciilifeform;diana_coman: lemme see, 1s (pretty sure i did) 1942803;1570568186;asciilifeform;diana_coman: loox like did. and just nao did again, it presses 1942804;1570568194;asciilifeform;diana_coman: why , didja get eggog ? 1942805;1570568233;diana_coman;asciilifeform: nm, found the trouble, it was corrupted sig file on my end; sorry about the trouble, it's been a long day here. 1942806;1570568268;asciilifeform;hrm, paste.deedbot seems to be dead. ( was it on piz?? i didn't think it were ? ) 1942807;1570568277;asciilifeform;diana_coman: ok 1942808;1570568304;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i made same mistake the other day, was convinced i had made a broken patch 1942809;1570568398;diana_coman;asciilifeform: re paste.deedbot it might be ~ http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942251 1942810;1570568398;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 06:06:48 mp_en_viaje: http://trinque.org/wp-content/themes/trinque/style.css << i see the problem now. your browser prolly hangs on this diana_coman ; i have ly set to just ignore 1942811;1570568408;asciilifeform;a. 1942812;1570568676;*;asciilifeform sat down to read some ossasepia while waiting for a compile, and then 'damn, it was on piz!', and qntra, it's like having 4+ phantom limbs... 1942813;1570568814;asciilifeform;'Нынче вырвалась, будто из плена, весна, / По ошибке окликнул его я: / - Друг, оставь покурить! - А в ответ - тишина: / Он вчера не вернулся из боя.' (tm)(r)(v. vysotsky). 1942814;1570569220;diana_coman;!o version 1942815;1570569221;ossabot;I am bot version 597858. 1942816;1570569259;diana_coman;bot & reader deployed to latest head (aka no shlex-mlex mess); searches with ' should not fail anymore 1942817;1570569269;diana_coman;thank you asciilifeform for the vpatches. 1942818;1570569275;asciilifeform;yw diana_coman . 1942819;1570569313;asciilifeform;now i also wish that could give working boxes, as easily as patch... 1942820;1570570170;asciilifeform;( oblig drumhead translation : 1942821;1570570172;asciilifeform;'lately spring broke, from cold, / like from prison, once more, / by mistake once i let out a word: / 'friend, leave a little to smoke!' / silence -- was all i heard, as he never returned from the war.' 1942822;1570570173;asciilifeform;) 1942823;1570570339;*;asciilifeform bbl. 1942824;1570570400;diana_coman;and ukrainians (or so it seems) with servers around europe do not list opterons but are amenable to offer it if one asks. 1942825;1570570588;asciilifeform;diana_coman: know that not in erry box can one even put FG, even if orc willing to open it -- needs a pad of space. asciilifeform deliberately chose such boxes as had this space. 1942826;1570570596;*;asciilifeform genuinely bbl, in a bit 1942827;1570571123;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform and everyone else: All disks are out of the rack with the exception of the RockChip kernel SD cards. Maybe a couple of unused RK spare are hiding in the bilge box. A variety of miscellaneous was recovered as well including the KVM, a couple handfuls of USD ttyls, the unsealed FUCKGOATs that were plugged into RockChips, and for sentimental value the Qntra/DNS server I flew into the country with because it's tiny ass fit in 1942828;1570571123;BingoBoingo;the duffel. Some other bilge ware was recovered. 1942829;1570571770;BingoBoingo;!Qlater tell mod6 I apologize, but I have not yet backed up your server. I will return with the disks, power it on again, and see what I can do with the credentials you passed. 1942830;1570571771;lobbesbot;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded. 1942831;1570571936;BingoBoingo;When I went earlier and wheeled out the three servers, there were two receptionist girls in the glass box. When I returned on disk mission, there was no one in glass box well before normal departing time. 1942832;1570575238;mod6;Thanks BingoBoingo. If it proves difficult to get logged into the server with the disks in the enclosures; perhaps don't worry about it, can just ship the disks back. But while you're at it, it may be pretty helpful if you pull out the raid card and drive cables to the card and send that along as well. 1942833;1570575238;lobbesbot;mod6: Sent 57 minutes ago: I apologize, but I have not yet backed up your server. I will return with the disks, power it on again, and see what I can do with the credentials you passed. 1942834;1570575335;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: got it. what remains in the cage ? 1942835;1570575360;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: and, any final gasps from latech & co ? 1942836;1570575384;asciilifeform;( the latter largely 'academic' curiosity , but curious ) 1942837;1570575418;asciilifeform;mod6: why wouldja want the raid card but not the whole box ? 1942838;1570575526;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform mod6: I plan to return and SSH into the box. 1942839;1570575653;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: What remains are all the rails, misc unused adapters and more USB TTYLs, The Rockchip plant, a small mountain of power and network cables, the rackmount power strip, the two switches, and the following 1U servers that will need wheeled out: 1942840;1570575720;BingoBoingo;TBF/Mod6, Trinque, UY1/Shared Hosting, S.NSA vacant 1942841;1570575848;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: try to get the machines out. errything else after. don't break yer back tho. 1942842;1570575975;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: until what day exactly is the rack paid up ? 1942843;1570576208;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It should be paid up through the end of this month per my notes. Then there's + 7 business days, etc, etc per the contract. 1942844;1570576305;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: ok. next wheelbarrow plox to rescue trinque and mod6 . then the rest, when you can. 1942845;1570576308;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo: try to get the machines out. errything else after. don't break yer back tho. << Three machines in one trip with wheels went well enough 4 should not be a problem. Without wheels, I am contemplating the logistics as we speak 1942846;1570576388;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the sooner you officially stop the service, the moar likely can recover sumthing from the orcs. tho , as mp pointed out, it is difficult to picture that we'll see a penny 1942847;1570576430;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Next dive I want to recover mod6's data, whatever fits in the mochila that isn't the switches or power cables. Then I plan to ask for access to the door for wheels. 1942848;1570576483;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: bring the gurl or somebody trusted and hand-carry'em if you must. 1942849;1570576514;asciilifeform;nuffin in that rack weighs moar than a roman legionary's kit. theoretically even 1 can carry. 1942850;1570576795;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Tonight it is too late to get the cardless girl into the building, but yes I am trying to think of something that will make the servers ergonomic enough to carry. Legionaire's kit is meant to be worn. Server meant to be densly racked. The potential to drop a chassis more than anything is what gives me pause. 1942851;1570576796;asciilifeform;diana_coman: [https://archive.is/ESUyf/7cb5764ab58ee0c2c3b608cacbad28d61be385a6.jpg][here is how FGs went in machine], if this helps. if that space aint there (and in most boxes, in asciilifeform's experience, it aint) then can only put'em by e.g. forgoing raid card and using that space. or in 5in. disk slot (which most also lack.) 1942852;1570576842;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: aite. but ideally all the irons will be safely under BingoBoingo's bed tomorrow. 1942853;1570576969;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Ideally tomorrow they will all be in the habitation module. If recovering the boxes is hindered, THAT, the hindering, is actionable. 1942854;1570576985;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: seems liek already been some hindering today ? 1942855;1570577003;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: if busibodies pop outta that woodwork to hinder, get'em on camera. 1942856;1570577017;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Latecho hasn't done any hidnering today. Just the lobby tile police. 1942857;1570577075;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i fully expect that when you show up to tear up the contract, they'll try to cook up some bullshit re the cage being in arrears . hence wai important to empty it. 1942858;1570577178;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: dun have to answer this if aint ready yet, but have you had chance to think , where BingoBoingo will go next ? 1942859;1570577239;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Per the contract the cage would have to be in arrears 30 days or longer before they can suspend service, deny access, etc 1942860;1570577256;asciilifeform;well, per the contract there was also gonna be a working pipe! 1942861;1570577308;asciilifeform;seems that contract atm is in '1 direction' mode, american-style, where 'you owe, and we -- uhm, nuffin' 1942862;1570577434;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: also you'll want to at least attempt to get that security deposit back. 1942863;1570577671;asciilifeform;!Qlater tell mod6 you presently majority shareholder. asciilifeform -- minority. ( mp is [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942437][owed] and also rightfully has a say. ) let's discuss asap the lawsuit. 1942864;1570577671;lobbesbot;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1942865;1570577672;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-08 15:01:51 mp_en_viaje: ah yes, they do owe us some money, but i wasn't converted afaik. 1942866;1570577730;asciilifeform;ftr asciilifeform is in favour of using as much of the remaining piggy as BingoBoingo sees fit , in taking it as far as it can be made to go. 1942867;1570577831;asciilifeform;at the VERY least oughta recover the week+ of dud service + security dep. 1942868;1570577897;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Per my records in the months after they said to stop sending more money for a while, after MP's big incoming wire via Mocky, we spent down much of the security deposit as BTC price was low. 1942869;1570577916;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: what means 'much' ? i.e. all ? 1942870;1570577944;*;BingoBoingo goes for the statement 1942871;1570578110;asciilifeform;(re piggy -- dun fughet, BingoBoingo , that we also will have to issue refunds to people who had refueled and then had ??? instead of reachable boxes for week+ ) 1942872;1570578141;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Right, that's customer equity 1942873;1570578317;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: 1538.58 1942874;1570578329;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: spent ? or remains ? 1942875;1570578359;asciilifeform;this re sec deposit ? 1942876;1570578380;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It's the odd balance that remains from security deposit/mega bolus going into the datacenter last fall 1942877;1570578396;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: that's genuine money. 1942878;1570578445;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: And it is to be pursued. 1942879;1570578486;asciilifeform;re customers, yes [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2018-07-24#1837596][would rather give'em working boxes], but will have to be refund. 1942880;1570578487;ericbot;Logged on 2018-07-24 12:38:09 asciilifeform: oblig su joak : division commander notices that maxim gun emplacement has fallen silent. he walks over , 'comrade gunner, why is your maxim silent' gunner : 'comrade lieutenant, i've run through my belt' lieutenant : 'BUT YOUR ARE A COMMUNIST!' ... the maxim promptly begins to chatter again ! 1942881;1570579133;mod6;<+BingoBoingo> asciilifeform mod6: I plan to return and SSH into the box. << Thanks BB! 1942882;1570579133;lobbesbot;mod6: Sent 24 minutes ago: you presently majority shareholder. asciilifeform -- minority. ( mp is [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942437] [owed] and also rightfully has a say. ) let's discuss asap the lawsuit. 1942883;1570579134;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-08 15:01:51 mp_en_viaje: ah yes, they do owe us some money, but i wasn't converted afaik. 1942884;1570579229;BingoBoingo;mod6: If you can give me guidance on what directories you want, that will be helpful. Even downloading straight from the local switch, the whole blockchain is going to take time, and space. 1942885;1570579240;mod6;<+asciilifeform> mod6: why wouldja want the raid card but not the whole box ? << Perhaps a bit premature to ask for this. Let's see if BB can get the back up completed, then will decide on whether to sell the box or have it shipped back whole, or parts. 1942886;1570579266;asciilifeform;mod6: yer unlikely to get ~anyffin for it if sold in orcistan. 1942887;1570579272;mod6;BingoBoingo: The directories are listed in my pgp msg. 1942888;1570579290;mod6;asciilifeform: fair enough. we'll see, one step at a time. 1942889;1570579296;asciilifeform;mod6: if you paid moar than coupla hundy for it, prolly worth to get it back via the post. 1942890;1570579313;asciilifeform;can then colo somewhere, in the new era of 'erry man for himself' colos. 1942891;1570579346;BingoBoingo;mod6: Aite, I see it now. 1942892;1570579353;mod6;*thumbsup* 1942893;1570579376;mod6;asciilifeform: werd. 1942894;1570579397;asciilifeform;btw if anyone doesn't want his box, i'll buy it (undisked naturally) for cost of postage. 1942895;1570579430;asciilifeform;i suppose oughta proper auction. 1942896;1570579435;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: His is not of you're preferred type of box 1942897;1570579444;asciilifeform;supposing in fact someone decides to jettison a box(s) . 1942898;1570579453;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: even so. 1942899;1570579461;asciilifeform;orc market aint payin' squat for boxes, i suspect. 1942900;1570579481;mod6;re: lawsuit, i've been following along here since the onset of this. I get the overall sense that not much may come of it, and similar to what MP was saying, would have been helpful to have some attourney long ago, as opposed to now. Especially regarding the fact that we've been getting screwed for years. A judgement might only consist of some repayment for recent month. 1942901;1570579530;mod6;However, I'm not closing the door on the whole thing. We'll have to evaluate our liabilities to our customers, cash on hand, who would be owed what, etc. 1942902;1570579536;asciilifeform;mod6: orc attourneys i suspect dun charge megabux. but imho worth to find what'd cost. perhaps even 1 would work on contingency, and then only costs to feed BingoBoingo . 1942903;1570579580;mod6;It may not be a bad idea to look into. I just, for what its worth, have my doubts that much comes of it. 1942904;1570579599;asciilifeform;mod6: i also doubt. but imho worth to at least find what'd cost . 1942905;1570579663;BingoBoingo;On some level once the auditions to see if any lawyers are hungrier than present counsel are concluded, if a suit isn't feasible counsel may be necessary to cleanly send the contract to /dev/null should latecho get combative 1942906;1570579688;asciilifeform;^ 1942907;1570579747;BingoBoingo;Even though the contract nearly made it to term, it's still a liability attached to my name personally. 1942908;1570579754;asciilifeform;mod6: since BingoBoingo apparently wishes to stay in uruguayistan, gotta cleanly nuke the contract. 1942909;1570579754;mod6;Well, so the way I see it: On the off chance that we'd win some sort of judgement, even if the courts are expedient, and I doubt that they are; We should continue on our current path. Pay what ever we need to pay back to customers out of what we have on-hand, make shipments, what have you. Then if there is cash left over, make a decision at that time. 1942910;1570579783;asciilifeform;mod6: i dun expect that postage for boxen, or 1wk of refund, will eat anywhere close to whole piggy. 1942911;1570579789;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I've still not had time to contemplate anywhere that might be better in the near to mid term. 1942912;1570579799;asciilifeform;mod6: and the sooner contract is finished with, the moar will remain. 1942913;1570579835;mod6;asciilifeform: that's decent news. but still, we should proceed with our customers needs first. then, possibly, see what we can do for Pizarro. 1942914;1570579856;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: dun panic. asciilifeform simply would like to apply the necessary heat so as e.g. the sec deposit dun evaporate . 1942915;1570579873;asciilifeform;i agree re mod6's '1st evacuate boxen'. 1942916;1570579901;BingoBoingo;Now, one thing we do need is some sort of ftp server we can use to get shared hosting customers GPG'd tarballs with their files and databases 1942917;1570579953;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i'd offer to host , but, lol, haven't where 1942918;1570579969;BingoBoingo;I imagine RockChip customers as well may need some files 1942919;1570580000;asciilifeform;if no one comes up with where, i'ma get hold of a cheap heathen thing, they're gpgballs, ought not matter where to put. 1942920;1570580105;asciilifeform;mod6: currently i'm thinking, we do not need 'liquidator' a la bbet. we, ourselves, can properly play the orchestra as the ship goes down. 1942921;1570580108;BingoBoingo;On the plus side we do have everyone's ssh pubkeys so we don't have to put up for all comers even though GPG'd 1942922;1570580135;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i'd rather not put those on a heathen hoster, but let's ask the affected folx 1st. 1942923;1570580232;mod6;asciilifeform: Well, that ~might~ be true. We ought to proceed though with careful steps to ensure we don't overlook something; we need to ensure that everyone is settled correctly, accurately. Having some oversight from mircea_popescu on this will be good. 1942924;1570580245;asciilifeform;seems like the only 1 who hasn't yet come up for air is trinque . 1942925;1570580272;asciilifeform;mod6: mp has been providing a++ guru meditation. i expect will say moar. 1942926;1570580290;mod6;for sure, glad he's been able to give his guidence. 1942927;1570580313;asciilifeform;and yes errybody is to get back 1) data 2) coin 3) iron, in that order. 1942928;1570580342;mod6;i'd say that's the correct approach. 1942929;1570580382;asciilifeform;fwiw asciilifeform had a heathen isp close on him 2y ago. had no (3) personally owned in it, but never saw an lick of (1) or (2) . 1942930;1570580397;asciilifeform;we are to set a proper standard, imho, for seppuku. 1942931;1570580465;mod6;the latter half of that previous line didn't quite parse for me. care to expand on that a bit? 1942932;1570580494;asciilifeform;mod6: clean unwind is sumthing the heathens dun know how. 1942933;1570580505;asciilifeform;they tend to leave disgusting messes. 1942934;1570580507;mod6;ah, gotcha. but 3 people, or 3 boxen? 1942935;1570580520;asciilifeform;(3) i.e. irons 1942936;1570580522;mod6;ah, i see. 1942937;1570580527;asciilifeform;it was a leased irons isp rather than colo 1942938;1570580573;asciilifeform;dc was bought out (presumably 'to make netflix cache' tho i dun specifically know its fate) and all subscribers hung to dry. 1942939;1570580588;mod6;ugh. :/ 1942940;1570580705;mod6;One sec, brb. 1942941;1570581001;mod6;aight. 1942942;1570581146;asciilifeform;mod6: it presently seems that we do not disagree . 1942943;1570581182;mod6;yeah, seems like we're on the same page. 1942944;1570581212;mod6;was just looking for trinque's last transmission. seems like it was the 4th. 1942945;1570581221;asciilifeform;but, mod6 , if at any point you find that you take a difference to [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941539][ asciilifeform's method of conducting the orchestra ] plox to asap say . 1942946;1570581221;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-07 20:22:43 asciilifeform: asciilifeform, otoh, did the equiv of when folx w/ no medical education attempt a tracheotomy on choking patient. cuz nobody else was about to. 1942947;1570581241;asciilifeform;!o seen-anywhere trinque 1942948;1570581242;ossabot;trinque last seen in #trilema on [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939930][2019-10-03 22:53:34]: sorry for the gagged deedbot meanwhile; that outage caught me in the middle of a multi-channel experiment 1942949;1570581245;asciilifeform;^ indeed 1942950;1570581252;asciilifeform;hopefully comes in soon . 1942951;1570581288;asciilifeform;( 3rd, 4th, whothefuck knows what the clock's set to on any of these ) 1942952;1570581309;mod6;asciilifeform: will do. i think when '1,2,3' (above) are done, we can re-visit and see what makes sense. 1942953;1570581318;asciilifeform;ty mod6 . 1942954;1570581322;mod6;and, yah, maybe we ought to send him an email? 1942955;1570581352;asciilifeform;mod6: i expect he'll come back from sea or wherever he is before week is out, seems to do so regularly nowadays. 1942956;1570581367;mod6;fair enough. 1942957;1570581650;asciilifeform;mod6: unrelatedly, were you able to make contact with ben_vulpes at all ? 1942958;1570581651;asciilifeform;re tbf 1942959;1570581753;mod6;He asked us to leave him dead, so I've been respecting that. Until like 3 minutes ago. I just tried to poke him re: trinque. 1942960;1570581776;asciilifeform;mod6: this is problem. per [https://archive.is/VVEFU][charter] . 1942961;1570581795;mod6;If/when I get a chance to discuss tbf with him, I'll see what he has to say. But my guess is he'd probably just like us to replace him as needed. 1942962;1570581900;asciilifeform;incidentally i dun agree w/ mp's verdict that tbf is somehow broken (aside from 1 of the 2 chairs having gone awol.) charter reads, clearly, 'This charter establishes the existence of a virtual organization whose mission is to maintain the Bitcoin reference implementation.' this was carried out . 1942963;1570581936;mod6;We'll really need to discuss the whole thing at length too. It's not yet fully determined what'll happen to tbf. But mircea_popescu has thrown out a few ideas. I doubt I'll be involved in whatever comes next for it though. 1942964;1570581950;asciilifeform;there is nuffin in the charter regarding e.g. carrying out propaganda, or even the building of noades. (tho both imho are Right Thing) 1942965;1570582004;asciilifeform;mod6: why not want to be involved ? 1942966;1570582044;asciilifeform;maybe i'm alone in this, but i don't hold against mod6 that he was breaking his back in a salt mine. 1942967;1570582077;mod6;Well, correct, I've stated that I think I've done the duty as spelled out in the Charter. It's well impressed on me that tbf needs new direction and new blood. 1942968;1570582141;asciilifeform;nao asciilifeform is no one in tbf. but will be sad if it comes to be the case that there is no tbf to fund emplacements of noades, curation of the ref. trb (incl. mod6's very fine build system) . 1942969;1570582180;asciilifeform;imho these are the fundamentals, without which all other adventures pertaining to trb (e.g. propaganda) are meaningless. 1942970;1570582252;*;BingoBoingo to the basement on the mod6 mission 1942971;1570582281;mod6;I would like to see trb carry-on indeed. Now, perhaps, more than ever, is needed as a check against wild shitcoiners out there. 1942972;1570582287;mod6;BingoBoingo: cheers! 1942973;1570582321;asciilifeform;mod6: imho it is only because we have trb, that other meaningful work has what to breathe. 1942974;1570582338;mod6;But alas, The Foundation has some greater goals than simply trb itself. TRB can be one facet of this, but new blood will need to take the ship in a direction of outreach. 1942975;1570582355;asciilifeform;mod6: new blood imho ought to then amend the charter. 1942976;1570582383;mod6;I agree, there should be a new one drawn up for whomever should take the helm. 1942977;1570582390;asciilifeform;( maybe only i take these seriously ? but imho such documents ought to represent reality ) 1942978;1570582407;mod6;For me, I won't have a fief to preside over, but maybe I'll still submit trb related work. 1942979;1570582435;asciilifeform;mod6: i'ma submit for so long as anyone cares to read. 1942980;1570582474;asciilifeform;mod6: for instance, i have a gnatistic o(1) block db thing, that's a gnat bugfix away from battle tests. 1942981;1570582475;mod6;I have a whole list of things I wanna do; actually. Like, finally spend the time I need on all things FFA. 1942982;1570582498;asciilifeform;mod6: as i understand you recently escaped gulag. so perhaps nao can do. 1942983;1570582540;asciilifeform;mod6: if you start to study ffa, dun hesitate to ask asciilifeform to help as you go in. 1942984;1570582563;mod6;There is a lot of work re: trb that does need to be done too. Another thing that was nagging at me... if we're to have a "university", we also need materials. And technical materials can be 'trb' coad itself; however, it might be cool to have an annotated source. 1942985;1570582570;mod6;Maybe even in book form some day. 1942986;1570582579;*;asciilifeform himself 'studying ffa' , [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942732][load it again into head] ! 1942987;1570582580;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 17:45:48 asciilifeform: lobbes: speaking strictly for self -- 'quick' jobs are quick because they (incl. 'fit problem in head' phase) can be fit into a single slot in b/w salt mine idjicies. whereas things large enuff as not fit, much moar friction. (erry time must load it in... again, again, ... ) 1942988;1570582601;mod6;Not committed or married to the idea, but I've been trying to think about what I might want to spend my time on. 1942989;1570582602;asciilifeform;mod6: annotation of trb is a+++ Right Thing imho. 1942990;1570582619;asciilifeform;esp. in such a way as to produce a spec that can then be worked from. 1942991;1570582642;asciilifeform;the heathens sorta tried to do this, but in the usual heathen way simply shat in their pants. 1942992;1570582686;mod6;Yeah, for TRB/TRBi to improve, or take form, one needs to fully comprehend what it is we have, this thing called 'bitcoin'. 1942993;1570582731;mod6;Materials for study are necessary, and the logs yield quite a tale, but something consolidated would help. 1942994;1570582745;asciilifeform;mod6: i dare to say that no one 100% comprehends (not the protocol per se, i comprehend) but the entire behaviour space of the proggy per se. 1942995;1570582796;mod6;I would agree with you on that. In this chamber, I do find quite a depth of knowledge. It is, however, spread across a handful of people. 1942996;1570582797;asciilifeform;to take 1 example, is there a max reorg depth that still worx as expected ? 1942997;1570582811;asciilifeform;no one presently knows afaik. 1942998;1570582823;mod6;Right, it's a old question, and a good one. 1942999;1570582850;mod6;Lot's of questions need to be asked such as this, and their answers, ugly or not, need to be found. 1943000;1570582873;asciilifeform;or, to take another, what will happen if a 'nonfinal' tx is again mined ? 1943001;1570582882;asciilifeform;or... i've a bunch of these. 1943002;1570582894;mod6;lol, werd. it's all important, indeed. 1943003;1570582917;asciilifeform;mod6: importantly, tho, most of this horror aint relevant to 'trbi' 1943004;1570582922;mod6;Heck, write 'em down and post 'em for future review. 1943005;1570582931;asciilifeform;is only relevant to people who want to build trb-compat. mechanism from ground. 1943006;1570582976;asciilifeform;for this, the biggest afaik hole in what is known, is how the idjit ssl-guts crypto stack operates. 1943007;1570582993;asciilifeform;even the 'der' parser, i presently have nfi how worx. 1943008;1570583011;mod6;yeah, it's a shitshow 1943009;1570583025;asciilifeform;but again this is only interesting if one's building a '100% trb-compat' in e.g. ada. 1943010;1570583042;asciilifeform;for a novel 'trbi' is entirely uninteresting what or how did fucking openssl. 1943011;1570583390;mod6;<+asciilifeform> mod6: if you start to study ffa, dun hesitate to ask asciilifeform to help as you go in. << will do! 1943012;1570583459;asciilifeform;mod6: incidentally imho diana_coman 1) understands it about as well as asciilifeform 2) is a+++ pedagogue . 1943013;1570583513;mod6;Yeah, she's pretty deep into the chapters iirc. 1943014;1570583530;asciilifeform;i do not know whether diana_coman is still taking people into her school, but for a ffa n00b it is imho a very desirable school. 1943015;1570583543;asciilifeform;mod6: diana_coman has eaten all of the material to date. 1943016;1570583788;mod6;Ah! Tight. 1943017;1570583798;mod6;Also, told bv to tap trinque on the shoulder. 1943018;1570583836;mod6;And mentioned that if he wants to, he can stop by for a nomination to the co-chair. 1943019;1570583851;asciilifeform;perhaps he still has a pulse, might answer. 1943020;1570583873;mod6;We'll see 1943021;1570583877;asciilifeform;but even if not answers, no pulse, 'the spice must flow'(tm) 1943022;1570583887;mod6;THE SPICE MUST FLOW 1943023;1570583899;mod6;I'm totally in the middle of Dune. 1943024;1570583906;*;asciilifeform liked. 1943025;1570583936;mod6;Was previously actually looking for a Kynes quote... 1943026;1570583964;asciilifeform;imho it was a much better 'have-read' world to play in head with, than 'to-read' per se, 1 of those. 1943027;1570584094;mod6;"'To the working planetologist, his most important tool is human beings,' his father said. 'You must cultivate ecological literacy among the people.'" 1943028;1570584173;mod6;This I've sort-of applied to the sense that for actual humans, which we can sift-the-sand for, tbf/tmsr can cultivate bitcoin literacy. 1943029;1570584343;asciilifeform;mod6: imho this , important -- what good is 'ref impl.' if no one understands it, or why even exists. i dun actually disagree w/ mp re 'needs public tentacles'. 1943030;1570584379;mod6;*nod* 1943031;1570584385;mod6;one sec, brb. 1943032;1570584444;asciilifeform;but imho if actually maintaining the proggy dun come 1st, then what may end with is item resembling the pseudofoundation, which has lengthy tentacles but 0 grasp of the orig. item (not even enuff grasp to do seriously complex evil, for the most part.) 1943033;1570584855;mod6;Both are important, ofc. 1943034;1570584915;asciilifeform;mod6: imho this is 1 of those cases where [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935210]['the spring is no good w/out the ratchet, or the ratchet -- w/out the spring'] . 1943035;1570584916;ericbot;Logged on 2019-09-09 14:59:45 asciilifeform: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wDESvyj1qo][vintage illustration] . 1943036;1570585043;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1942833 << btw, I've snagged another leased server from some singapore heathen hoster. Once they provision the thing and give login info then auctionbot will live again. However, if it is desperately needed in the meantime I can slap it up on the usg hoster as a stop-gap measure 1943037;1570585043;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-09 00:05:43 asciilifeform: i suppose oughta proper auction. 1943038;1570585192;asciilifeform;neato lobbes 1943039;1570585216;asciilifeform;lobbes: afaik auctionbot contains no seekritz (other than fleanode pw for itself) so in principle could live ~anywhere 1943040;1570585296;mod6;Alright folks, I gotta get some meat going here. But I'll be checking back if you need me. Otherwise, will be back around tomorrow. 1943041;1570585301;asciilifeform;goodnight mod6 1943042;1570585305;mod6;o7 1943043;1570585310;*;asciilifeform will bbl, also meat. 1943044;1570585341;lobbes;enjoy the meats fellas 1943045;1570585667;lobbes;asciilifeform: main reason for not wanting to host it on usg box is mainly because logger is also running on there and a) don't want too many eggs in one basket and b) don't want too many things interfacing with same postgres database (since actionbot is on top of logbot which also logs every line, and I dunno if this will slow things down or what. I like the idea of segregating them in this sense) 1943046;1570585675;lobbes;And the rest of my boxen are VPSen, which just suck in general for most things 1943047;1570585713;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1942856 << in my case, I *think* I have all the backups I need. I had the presence of mind to run my backup script of auctionbot data and blog dump when I logged in for final time. There is always a chance I forgot something or dump is corrupt, etc. Will find out in the coming days once heathen replacement comes online 1943048;1570585713;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-09 00:14:42 BingoBoingo: I imagine RockChip customers as well may need some files 1943049;1570587405;trinque;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942955 << still very much alive, and have been following along. 1943050;1570587406;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 22:19:09 mod6: Also, told bv to tap trinque on the shoulder. 1943051;1570587485;trinque;if indeed we're scuttling piz, BingoBoingo may have the hardware I sent on bv's run as a gift. 1943052;1570587491;trinque;it can be sold, scrapped, w/e makes sense. 1943053;1570587561;trinque;I'd like a final backup of my uy1 web dir, blog and w/e else is in there. 1943054;1570587568;trinque;I can arrange to have an sftp destination for the contents. 1943055;1570587684;trinque;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940717 << I never noticed I was depressed from the lack until the lack was satisfied for the first time. I think this is general wisdom. 1943056;1570587684;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-05 14:34:28 BingoBoingo: Trinque's [http://trinque.org/2019/09/02/quetiapine/][recent post] had me reevaluating the dietary situation and adjusting. I'd been taking it for granted Milk is rich in Vitamin D, etc only to discover... The locals throw some folic acid in flour y Ya! After making some dietary adjustments the last few weeks of winter were less "blah" burdened than te preceeding. 1943057;1570587842;trinque;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942747 << yep, I pulled in the stylesheet from my blog on several other items. I'll get it backed out if I can't get the latest copy of my blog soon. 1943058;1570587842;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 18:02:28 diana_coman: asciilifeform: re paste.deedbot it might be ~ http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942251 1943059;1570587934;trinque;brb, moving my bouncer to another box. 1943060;1570588181;BingoBoingo;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942223 << It's been a busy day, but thank you mp for asking if I forgot to issue thanks before 1943061;1570588181;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 05:53:12 mp_en_viaje: 2. do you want another employee ? he's hardworking and learns fast if not particularly well versed right now ; some kind of apprenticeship is probably on the table. 1943062;1570588363;BingoBoingo;Rest of the usb-ttyls out along with misc adapters 1943063;1570588935;asciilifeform;ty BingoBoingo . and wb trinque 1943064;1570588947;trinque;evening asciilifeform 1943065;1570588961;BingoBoingo;Evening trinque 1943066;1570588982;trinque;hey BingoBoingo, how are you holding up? 1943067;1570588986;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: trinque's box contains FG. look up whether personal ( in which case must be posted to him ) or piz's plox 1943068;1570589033;BingoBoingo;trinque: Not as bad as Sunday. It's a different stress, but its been a fairly productive stress. 1943069;1570589059;trinque;I've been part of plenty of failed business ventures, know the burn. 1943070;1570589131;*;asciilifeform [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1941998][also] 1943071;1570589131;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-08 00:14:17 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: before piz lost shirt twice. so far most of what learned is 'electrified fence around zone, hurts' ) 1943072;1570589150;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Will do the lookup. That information's going to be in what survives of the ancient GPGmessNotes 1943073;1570589191;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Will do that lookup however, later 1943074;1570589198;asciilifeform;ty BingoBoingo . can also look up by what his price was, if it's == colo + fg, then was our fg. 1943075;1570589210;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: plz sleep, aha 1943076;1570589221;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: He's been billed straight colo. His FUCKGOATS 1943077;1570589252;trinque;I wouldn't mind having the fg when it can be arranged, actually. 1943078;1570589256;asciilifeform;aha ha. then trinque plox to gpg re where it wants to live. 1943079;1570589258;trinque;the rest isn't worth the cost of shipping out 1943080;1570589283;asciilifeform;then to auctionblock re the rest of it. but fg to trinque . 1943081;1570589289;trinque;drives kind of suspect after any deployment, etc 1943082;1570589292;trinque;ty, will do 1943083;1570589295;asciilifeform;trinque: want disks cremated ? 1943084;1570589303;asciilifeform;there's a crematory list 1943085;1570589317;trinque;can, or trashed. I don't tend to put sensitive items on webservers. 1943086;1570589320;BingoBoingo;!Qlater tell mod6 http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=8O_Y << Notes on the recovery 1943087;1570589320;lobbesbot;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded. 1943088;1570589357;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: He's got two crematory type disks and to spinning rusts along with a spare spinning rust 1943089;1570589369;asciilifeform;ok trinque . then dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/... and iron auctions. ( after all else finish ) 1943090;1570589425;trinque;blog tarball can be had? eta? 1943091;1570589465;asciilifeform;trinque: BingoBoingo spent day w/ wheelbarrow to remove irons from meltdown zone, i expect soon will have tarballs. 1943092;1570589479;trinque;cool, thanks BingoBoingo 1943093;1570589480;BingoBoingo;trinque: working on a place to put tarballs. If you have a place you want me to sftp it, I can GPGgram my ssh pubkey 1943094;1570589512;trinque;how much space do you need for the whole drop? 1943095;1570589515;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: This little machine will take time to produce the tarballs. 1943096;1570589523;trinque;I could host on deedbot 1943097;1570589540;trinque;for others also, I mean. 1943098;1570589586;asciilifeform;oh neat, ty trinque . will depend on how much folx weigh. may have to do 1-2 at a time. 1943099;1570589608;BingoBoingo;trinque: Not including the databases, it was around 35 GB iirc. Will go down with tar.gz, but uncertain how much 1943100;1570589795;BingoBoingo;trinque: ssh key http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=hDe2 1943101;1570589911;trinque;ack, got it 1943102;1570590131;*;BingoBoingo to take a short walk with the back unloaded before turning in. 1943103;1570590143;asciilifeform;goodnight BingoBoingo 1943104;1570590162;asciilifeform;ty BingoBoingo for the sweat. 1943105;1570590206;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Thought popped in on getting the handcart in and out without asking for the special cart door priviledge, but will have to wait for daylight. 1943106;1570590237;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: dont break yourself. i strongly suspect the contents will be there still tomorrow. 1943107;1570590285;asciilifeform;seems like all the primo irreplaceables -- already out , and in BingoBoingo's hands nao. 1943108;1570590318;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: asciilifeform Well there's the FG inside whatever boxes have them 1943109;1570590334;asciilifeform;get'em tomorrow. nao rest. 1943110;1570590507;mod6;BingoBoingo: Got your message, thanks for your work. Yeah, go get some rest, I'll msg ya again tomorrow. Cheers! 1943111;1570590508;lobbesbot;mod6: Sent 19 minutes ago: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=8O_Y << Notes on the recovery 1943112;1570590541;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: One last thing. We had a neighbor installed later than us. That rack is now all air dams without boxes. 1943113;1570590558;*;mod6 afk also 1943114;1570590714;trinque;BingoBoingo: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=sGFv 1943115;1570590739;trinque;feel free to dump the whole uy1 wad there, and I can get folks ssh access to their stuff. 1943116;1570590745;trinque;lmk if it doesn't work. 1943117;1570590761;trinque;make sure to encrypt to their key and sign with yours, of course 1943118;1570592591;*;asciilifeform asked for quotes in a dc in darkest afri^H^H^H^Hbaltimore. will see what comes out. 1943119;1570592663;asciilifeform;all dc in immediate 50km around asciilifeform , appear to have gone 'usg-only'. 1943120;1570592858;*;asciilifeform to bed. 1943121;1570602275;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942950 - ty asciilifeform ! 1943122;1570602276;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 22:13:30 asciilifeform: mod6: incidentally imho diana_coman 1) understands it about as well as asciilifeform 2) is a+++ pedagogue . 1943123;1570602613;diana_coman;ftr I consider FFA mandatory for #o & rather entry level at that but so far people still need to excavate selves to get to that entry level even. 1943124;1570603666;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942922 - certainly need materials and yes, I think mod6 would do a great job annotating the trb code and generally getting it moving again. 1943125;1570603666;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 21:58:34 mod6: There is a lot of work re: trb that does need to be done too. Another thing that was nagging at me... if we're to have a "university", we also need materials. And technical materials can be 'trb' coad itself; however, it might be cool to have an annotated source. 1943126;1570613352;diana_coman;guten morgen mp_en_viaje 1943127;1570613355;mp_en_viaje;hola! 1943128;1570613417;diana_coman;berlin? 1943129;1570613485;mp_en_viaje;near frankfurt 1943130;1570613494;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942134 << thinking of this, on one hand i dislike the informalism. it's not "mp will accept these back", s.nsa is an actual person, exactly as much as you are, and doesn;t suddenly dissolve just because you don't particularly like the way things played out. the whole story of "oh, do X or you'll die" was, throughout, backed by exactly this backstop. this is the piper, this is how you 1943131;1570613494;mp_en_viaje; atone for your sinful behaviour of yore. 1943132;1570613494;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 00:53:16 asciilifeform: snsa bought its share of piz for FG crate + 2 boxen ( the very smg boxen in fact ) , perhaps mp will accept these back . 1943133;1570613561;mp_en_viaje;it's not "s.nsa is a thing for as long as i can carry on doing what i fucking feel like i doing, but should that become untenable it can just dissipate into thin air". 1943134;1570613625;mp_en_viaje;and in general, this purely latino whore style of "i don't mind what they call it for as long as i can keep doing exactly the fuck it was i was gonna do anyway" dun werk. 1943135;1570613665;mp_en_viaje;it did not work for the original latino whores ; it did not work for dpb, "oh, ima call myself a republican but really, what i'm interested in is remarkably stupid sterlie shit". not worked for phf idem exactly, and will not work fucking generally. 1943136;1570613882;mp_en_viaje;so the discussion will absolutely be carried in terms of "is this generating value for nsa shareholders", not "will mp be persuaded". 1943137;1570613929;mp_en_viaje;what value does it generate ? is it a good deal for nsa, to trade half a bitcoin for a coupla used dc machines, even leaving aside how these eminently constitute what asciilifeform knows to be called "surplus", through the process he oft described in logs of buying stuff for pennies ? 1943138;1570614075;mp_en_viaje;more importantly, what the fuck, we paid DC prices to rent machines so that pizarro could have a book, now we also buy them back so pizarro doesn't have a downside ? what the fuck is this, training for failure ? 1943139;1570614095;mp_en_viaje;this is why renting costs more than ownership, precisely and specifically this : that the owner's stuck with the risks of owning. 1943140;1570614330;mp_en_viaje;i'm not against nsa paying fair market value for the things, if you want them ; but fair MARKET value, not alf-value where he insanely calls things maxint and worthless according to the elucubrative needs of his deranged mental processes, which somehow manage to produce http://archive.is/qLu5P time and time and time again (and even notices this), but [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942450][no substantial change]. 1943141;1570614331;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 12:04:34 mp_en_viaje: you said "my place is ordained here" i asked who ordained. you said "priests". this begs the question, why are you here ? 1943142;1570614530;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942651 << this is a thing we considered before even. the fundamental problem with it is that it's phd-assemblyline essentially, the work is worth 10 bux an hour but can only be done by like... one guy in the werld. i think it rather a pitfall. 1943143;1570614531;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 16:36:01 diana_coman: asciilifeform: dunno, maybe s.nsa could sell hardware including rk plants? for me asciilifeform-seal is worth something really. 1943144;1570614574;*;mp_en_viaje would also pay something for spinoza-polished lenses ; but because i'm perverse not because they're worth it. 1943145;1570615009;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942663 << at this juncture perhaps i should share this tidbit : http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=t7-3 1943146;1570615010;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 16:44:01 diana_coman: I got to the point where I'm firing them emails ~ can I order that or the other *without* your "account" that I utterly don't need; and similar. 1943147;1570615080;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: actually I woke up to a bunch of emails saying "you do need an account BUT no need to fill in any info really, just email plz" 1943148;1570615081;mp_en_viaje;this is what they do, what they all do : "hey, would you like to be [http://trilema.com/2018/how-do-you-like-being-a-twerking-wigger-slave-on-my-internet-lulzcow-farm/][a twerking wigger slave on my internet lulzcow farm]" ??? 1943149;1570615097;diana_coman;but still, need "account" 1943150;1570615101;mp_en_viaje;just that, no more, merely repeated over and over AND OVER again. who knows, maybe if you ask the same dumb question enough times the answer changes/ 1943151;1570615143;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, maybe the right move here is to construct a little counter, you know ? "i'd like to use your services, this is what you have to do". 1943152;1570615179;diana_coman;for extra lulz had some swiss guys too: I asked them 4 questions even numbered; they took 1 day to come back with a reply that sort-of and without referencing, covered maybe 2; I replied and pointed out that an aswer that doesn't answer makes for funny reading so will they answer questions 1 and 4 now? they came back answering only 1. 1943153;1570615205;mp_en_viaje;nobody could accuse him of not handling that inbox. 1943154;1570615233;diana_coman;you mean like "data centres wanting to actually do business, here's what you need to do" ? 1943155;1570615274;mp_en_viaje;yup. 1943156;1570615292;mp_en_viaje;"you have to register your gpg key, and issue me invoices thus and following". make it short clear and complete, and that's that. 1943157;1570615315;diana_coman;re their handling of inboxes, my best explanations is http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942700 1943158;1570615316;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 17:23:40 diana_coman: I suppose I'm so outside of their corporation worksheet that they just blink for 4 minutes and reset to next point on the checklist 1943159;1570615334;mp_en_viaje;i don't expect they will, but why not match idiocy with idiocy ? every time they send an ill thought out, wetware-shannonized piece of idiocy about how "hey, would you like to be [http://trilema.com/2018/how-do-you-like-being-a-twerking-wigger-slave-on-my-internet-lulzcow-farm/][a twerking wigger slave on my internet lulzcow farm]" ??? you send one right back. 1943160;1570615347;mp_en_viaje;get one of those machines-gangsaying-machines thing going, what can possibly be hurt. 1943161;1570615354;mp_en_viaje;surely better balanced than imbalanced. 1943162;1570615390;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: can't hurt for sure. 1943163;1570615563;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942670 << because http://trilema.com/2011/webfactor-procedurile-si-idiotenia/ ; and because many numerous such detailed in detail back when i wrote in romanian. things might've changed in the intervening years, though i do not have any faith in the tards. seems the only true capacity of the romanian is for the above "ima just sit here doing what i'm doing and wait for everyone to get 1943164;1570615563;mp_en_viaje; tired". 1943165;1570615564;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 16:47:50 asciilifeform: diana_coman: i currently do not know why mp [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940500][fatwa'd ro], but must assume it was not because flag is wrong three colours 1943166;1570615605;mp_en_viaje;which worked ok for them, historically : they started the game ~same century as germany, and have bucharest to show for it. 1943167;1570615835;mp_en_viaje;(this is a literalism : it is likely caesar's original target, to "plunder something and get out of debt" was dacia not gaul ; but dacia too strong for him at the time) 1943168;1570616476;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942688 << yes, we are saying the same thing here. "insane" as in extremely large, "nine months is an insane interval to make an omlet". "well... first i gotta find a chicken" 1943169;1570616477;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 17:11:48 lobbes: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942586 << I anticipated this response, but not sure how you figure utterly insane. I'm not asciilifeform nor diana_coman for e.g.; I'm still pretty "green" at programming and need to research each design phase and thoroughly test my implementations as I go to make sure it is correct. Oftentimes discover "shit, I fucked up, need to redo this part". I.e. learning as I go 1943170;1570616520;mp_en_viaje;"sure, most people specializing in serving breakfast for a fee can produce omlets in about ten minutes. but they start with a ready kitchen, which already contains eg eggs" 1943171;1570616592;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942692 << you really have to get specific, "this is what you must do". 1943172;1570616592;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 17:14:15 diana_coman: but no, they called 3 dudes to talk to me and still can't get over this outlandish idea that I do.not.want.to.make.account.with.them 1943173;1570616607;mp_en_viaje;it's not even untenable to pay a little extra for it, i guess. 1943174;1570616674;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942698 << lmao wtf novel concept 1943175;1570616675;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 17:23:34 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Apparently they don't want wheels scuffing up the floors of the lobby, hence have to use service entrance 1943176;1570616703;mp_en_viaje;these people have no floorwashing crew where they live ? 1943177;1570616712;mp_en_viaje;considering they're all fucking glorified floor washers... 1943178;1570616797;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942706 << oh, it's one o fthose orcmiami-wannabe "tower" things, isn't it. 1943179;1570616798;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 17:26:00 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: seems like 9000x greater concern for their (indeed mirror-smooth, i nearly slipped on it) marble floor , than for working dc!! 1943180;1570616840;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942709 << wait, what ?! 1943181;1570616840;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 17:27:16 asciilifeform: in piz tower pushed what looked like button in the lift, it fell N stories down, and hole -- razor-sharp 1943182;1570616904;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942714 << yes, he's a 2-takt engine, dither and do. in the do phase he's pretty good, but in the dither phase he's phenomenal. 1943183;1570616904;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 17:31:57 lobbes: asciilifeform: I dunno, you got that logotron out at breakneck speedz ( I know you recycled phuctor's www chunks, but still ) 1943184;1570616992;mp_en_viaje;and the whole delco assemblage for it seems to be a single internally represented bit. whether he feels like he can do it / it could be done / should be done / the priests approve, nfi. 1943185;1570617057;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943109 - fwiw, I *did* tell them what I wanted, specifically; that's when they went blink-blink-blink and then... do you need gpu? 1943186;1570617057;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-09 07:25:45 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942692 << you really have to get specific, "this is what you must do". 1943187;1570617101;mp_en_viaje;meanwhile in other lulz, https://www.delcotimes.com ; 451: Unavailable due to legal reasons, the web went [http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/?b=Another%20one%20of&e=them#select][exactly where you'd expect]. 1943188;1570617109;diana_coman;I suppose next time I'm in Bucharest, if I *really* have nothing to do, I'll go and visit data centre, make them call one another until the room is full and keep them going blink-blink 1943189;1570617115;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, all im saying is, have a ready sheet somewhere. 1943190;1570617134;diana_coman;yes, I need to write it down ready for paste, indeed. 1943191;1570617139;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, or alternatively, could just go to vienna instead, have cup of coffee 1943192;1570617157;diana_coman;austrians know how to make proper hot chocolate! 1943193;1570617173;mp_en_viaje;anyway, not like i forbade ro dc. i merely observed that very likely not worth anyone's time, an observation anyone's welcome to dispute, why not 1943194;1570617204;diana_coman;so far they failed spectacularly in my books, what can I say; malaysians might do better. 1943195;1570617211;mp_en_viaje;for instance, on basis of pizarro experience, mp currently thinks latam is a joke technologically, similarly. 1943196;1570617238;mp_en_viaje;can't source parts, can't wash floors, what is it for, "gimme" ? 1943197;1570617255;diana_coman;it's for "s-avem si noi falitii nostri" 1943198;1570617343;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942715 << i was thinking exactly that, incidentally. this picture in my mind of orc-borg assembly, perceiving readily the problem with the hole in elevator wall. it is CLEAR what it is, so need to fix is perceived etc. 1943199;1570617343;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 17:32:01 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lol naturally, can't have broken lamps!111 or smudged floor! who needs a working cable!1111 1943200;1570617376;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2016-05-04#1462484 1943201;1570617377;ossabot;Logged on 2016-05-04 10:59:33 mircea_popescu: how did that george costanza quote go, "but mr tuttle, consider i'm in the smaller office!" 1943202;1570617435;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942724 << yes ; this being very much NOT what training is. 1943203;1570617435;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 17:34:46 asciilifeform: they were thought to be untrainable. but turned out that erry cat had a performance that he's willingly do. was matter of finding. 1943204;1570617451;mp_en_viaje;training is making the kitty do what she doesn't do, not what she was waiting to do all along. 1943205;1570617695;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942736 << it's approx what i do. though still interrupted, which is the principal function of the harem in fact. but i'll point out that it is fallacy of naive linear extension to imagine "3, 4, 10, 100 days" works quite like that. yes uninterrupted slots are good, but not experimentaly useful past a few hours. yes the knowledge, certified by experience, that "can get back to this wh 1943206;1570617695;mp_en_viaje;enever" is even more useful. but uninterruptedness per se breeds insanity. 1943207;1570617695;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 17:52:09 asciilifeform: picture, to be able to actually think about something uninterrupted for 3, 4, 10, 100 days!! 1943208;1570617751;mp_en_viaje;in fact, i currently suspect the principal avenue through which the marginally retarded / autistic "engineer" bois of contemporaneity are built is through parents ineptly failing to recognize these children's preference for non-interrupting as a disease symptom, and catering to it. 1943209;1570617793;mp_en_viaje;rather than "it's something in the water" etc. the wankasteries are built by overgrown bois who were permitted to live as uninterruptedly as they pleased, age 4.5 to 7ish. 1943210;1570617943;mp_en_viaje;then of course the fantasy becomes unsustainable once school starts, so they acquire as a bonus on the side all the desocialization brought by being morosely aloof and ineptly derpy [http://trilema.com/2011/importanta-parintilor-pentru-copiii-lor/][instead of vital]. and from there on... you got pretty much the whole enchilada, aged 10 or so the boi's already useless, THROUGH TRAINING. and will likely stay useless his whole lfie. 1943211;1570618227;mp_en_viaje;in other news, spessart in the fulda gap is beautiful in the autumn. 1943212;1570618234;*;mp_en_viaje recommends. 1943213;1570618687;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942759 << "A spring broke loose today, from frost like from jail. In the confusion I called out -- "old friend, leave the smoke!". But the answer came silent, as yesterday's spring never returned from the war. " rather. 1943214;1570618688;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 18:32:02 asciilifeform: 'lately spring broke, from cold, / like from prison, once more, / by mistake once i let out a word: / 'friend, leave a little to smoke!' / silence -- was all i heard, as he never returned from the war.' 1943215;1570618849;mp_en_viaje;the true disadvantage of old age is that the spring outside's never the spring you befriended, and knew. 1943216;1570619175;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942779 << what sorta weight did you have there after all ? in excess of 100kgs is it ? 1943217;1570619175;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 20:06:39 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: try to get the machines out. errything else after. don't break yer back tho. 1943218;1570619197;mp_en_viaje;could be a good idea for isps of the future to keep ~weight~ accouintancy as well. you never know. 1943219;1570619390;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942800 << certainly. a good time to threaten, "if you don't pay me now you'll have to pay 2x + legal fees in a few months, and i will take out newspaper publicity on your name," 1943220;1570619390;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 20:33:05 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: also you'll want to at least attempt to get that security deposit back. 1943221;1570619454;mp_en_viaje;this makes one feel great when "it works", but experimentally it almost never does anything -- hurts their feelings if they were going to pay anyway, and otherwise god himself can't squeeze blood out of stone. 1943222;1570619465;mp_en_viaje;but, the feelings of idiots should be hurt as a matter of course. 1943223;1570619515;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942801 << fwir pizarro is solvent, so nsa needn't have any say, it'll be paid what's owed and that's that. 1943224;1570619515;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 20:37:02 asciilifeform: !Qlater tell mod6 you presently majority shareholder. asciilifeform -- minority. ( mp is [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942437][owed] and also rightfully has a say. ) let's discuss asap the lawsuit. 1943225;1570619516;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-08 15:01:51 mp_en_viaje: ah yes, they do owe us some money, but i wasn't converted afaik. 1943226;1570619557;mp_en_viaje;nothing wrong with talking to a local legal guy, see what he says in any case. 1943227;1570619576;mp_en_viaje;no point in trying to optimize early / hammer down details before that though. 1943228;1570619723;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942824 << really ?! whenever i needed something there, it was either at a premium on their local shitlist (mercado something) or else (more commonly) not even available, had to be courriered in. 1943229;1570619723;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 21:03:37 asciilifeform: mod6: yer unlikely to get ~anyffin for it if sold in orcistan. 1943230;1570619767;mp_en_viaje;and the premium was something insane like 150-200% half the time. not to mentio nthe conditions mindblowing -- three week delays "perfectly acceptable, no refunds need be offered" on items promised for overnight delivery etc. 1943231;1570619788;mp_en_viaje;i can't conceive why the fuck you'd not get 50% over list value merely for the thing being in uy already. 1943232;1570619848;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942832 << wtf sense does this make ? you'll buy it "for cost of postage" and nsa will buy boxes for quarter btc a pop ? 1943233;1570619849;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 21:05:48 asciilifeform: btw if anyone doesn't want his box, i'll buy it (undisked naturally) for cost of postage. 1943234;1570619863;mp_en_viaje;list the shit up for sale on their ebay clone and see wtf. 1943235;1570619885;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942837 << motherfucker how does that brain work ? 1943236;1570619885;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 21:06:52 asciilifeform: orc market aint payin' squat for boxes, i suspect. 1943237;1570619936;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942840 << and this suspicion is based on your never talking to any or what ? 1943238;1570619936;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 21:08:07 asciilifeform: mod6: orc attourneys i suspect dun charge megabux. but imho worth to find what'd cost. perhaps even 1 would work on contingency, and then only costs to feed BingoBoingo . 1943239;1570620044;mp_en_viaje;i seem to recall this other attorney that didn't charge megabux (in fact, like a hundy or so per month) that i've surprise-discovered in your wake and on which you've been owin me for like a year now. i'm starting to think it'll get discharged "for cost of postage" also, just as soon as i'm ready ? 1943240;1570620146;mp_en_viaje;just how, HOW the fuck does the noggin work on your shoulders, dude ? you think paying a coupla grand a month for dc pipe is maxint while you think dc hardware you carried through customs at great expense and is locally irreplaceable has no resale value, you think lawyers will be cheap while you don't pay lawyers that were cheap, you think lawyers could help you but lawyers with proven track record of helping you ~screamingly~ misma 1943241;1570620146;mp_en_viaje;nage into the ground... 1943242;1570620165;mp_en_viaje;it's not JUST that you fucked up your most recent venture by brushing hair while the barn burned. 1943243;1570620221;mp_en_viaje;its that every single fucking item in your life is this exercise in imaginary minimaxing, the burning sulphur and frogs rain outside is "not too bad" but the vcr clock not being set is "intolerable and requires your immediate attention" and so in this vein until the three legged half-sphere cows come home. 1943244;1570620226;mp_en_viaje;at which point it's "the priests". 1943245;1570620282;mp_en_viaje;every time im talking to you about anything touching business it's like talking to a literary character. 1943246;1570620471;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942843 << combative doing what the fuck exactly ? you owe no property, as far as i recall didn't even manage incorporating an actual business. they'll what, send some pichi to wait by your door and "por favor, una moneda por latechco" every time you go in or out ? 1943247;1570620472;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 21:10:14 BingoBoingo: On some level once the auditions to see if any lawyers are hungrier than present counsel are concluded, if a suit isn't feasible counsel may be necessary to cleanly send the contract to /dev/null should latecho get combative 1943248;1570620551;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942846 << if that's what you wanna do, it's much likelier to be cheaper to pay than to litigate. 1943249;1570620552;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 21:11:45 asciilifeform: mod6: since BingoBoingo apparently wishes to stay in uruguayistan, gotta cleanly nuke the contract. 1943250;1570620715;mp_en_viaje;be that as it may : one particularly inept internet provider in costa rica (whom i suspect by now is just a local-dressup verizon or coxco or somesuch rural midwestern bs) failed to deliver to spec ; were warned to either immediately remedy or else (which they ignored) ; were ordered to close the contract (which they claimed they did) ; sent a further bill, which was returned with lolz (they responded by pointing out that contract c 1943251;1570620715;mp_en_viaje;an't be cancelled). were sent to /dev/null henceforth. 1943252;1570620775;mp_en_viaje;i still have somewhere in the basement all of their gear, which i have no intention of returning ; for their side they sent however many REALLY IMPORTANT notices, then started sms-ing the phone about imaginary "court cases" and then started offering "settlements". and then nfi, i hadn't followed, the humor value ran thin. 1943253;1570620874;mp_en_viaje;the moral being that contrary to what the pantsuit dweebery dept may be trying (and occasionally succeeding) in imprinting upon midwestern helicopter moms, the recourse of 3 ring binder corp putting forth claims upon its failure to service contracts is exactly nil. 1943254;1570620933;mp_en_viaje;they can suck it up and like it very much, or else drop the "corporate policy" and [http://trilema.com/2014/namecheap-goes-off-the-deep-end-anyone-know-a-decent-domain-registrar/?b=What%20pays&e=nonthink#select][start sucking cock], whatever comes first. 1943255;1570620961;mp_en_viaje;but in any case i'd say it's immoral to give the latechco idiots more money ; and stupid to burn good money chasing out imaginary obligations according to idiots. 1943256;1570620980;mp_en_viaje;and, ethically speaking, if this means you hafta leave uruguay, leave fucking uruguay, because ~IT IS BROKEN~. 1943257;1570620991;mp_en_viaje;unlikely as that may be. 1943258;1570621125;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942858 << liquidators become necessary if there's open conflict among principals. not seems to be the case. 1943259;1570621125;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 21:17:35 asciilifeform: mod6: currently i'm thinking, we do not need 'liquidator' a la bbet. we, ourselves, can properly play the orchestra as the ship goes down. 1943260;1570621151;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942860 << the ~pub~keys ? 1943261;1570621151;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 21:18:06 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'd rather not put those on a heathen hoster, but let's ask the affected folx 1st. 1943262;1570621252;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942868 << this'd be a great outcome, as far as such are available, defo. 1943263;1570621253;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 21:22:28 asciilifeform: we are to set a proper standard, imho, for seppuku. 1943264;1570621313;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942876 >> pity you didn't documnt this at the time, it'd have made great reference point here, instead of vague nothings. 1943265;1570621313;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 21:25:23 asciilifeform: dc was bought out (presumably 'to make netflix cache' tho i dun specifically know its fate) and all subscribers hung to dry. 1943266;1570621362;mp_en_viaje;like http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940689, you know / 1943267;1570621362;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-05 13:54:38 mp_en_viaje: the end result of "null-routed ip space for half a day whenever someone decides to spend 10 bux on '''ddos'''" is reproducible via 50 dubaloos/month in hand of any rando nobody/[http://trilema.com/2015/internoc24-llc-aka-internoc24com-is-a-scam-or-how-milan-dragan-slatjovic-stole-700-euro-from-me/][scammer] off sitepoint forums ; no need to buy whole c blocks if they just null-route by the c-block like inconceivab 1943268;1570621476;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942900 << depends what you mean by "maintain". 1943269;1570621476;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 21:47:31 asciilifeform: incidentally i dun agree w/ mp's verdict that tbf is somehow broken (aside from 1 of the 2 chairs having gone awol.) charter reads, clearly, 'This charter establishes the existence of a virtual organization whose mission is to maintain the Bitcoin reference implementation.' this was carried out . 1943270;1570621503;mp_en_viaje;but no, it's not actually in breach of its charter. it's just fucking dead inthe water, what. 1943271;1570621538;mp_en_viaje;what maintain, nobody even fucking heard of it. it's not like rando walks in here to sell me his dc / sister and when i ask "you know what all of this is" he goes "well, i know about tbf..." 1943272;1570621710;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942902 << foundation charters are drawn narrow to permit them to do fucking work. arguing "o look, copy of some bits on my pc in mom's basement means foundation exists, (and so does [http://www.hentai-foundry.com/pictures/user/Synthean/686242/Before-and-After---Morgraine][morgraine], my favourite comics character)!!" is childish at best. 1943273;1570621710;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 21:48:21 asciilifeform: there is nuffin in the charter regarding e.g. carrying out propaganda, or even the building of noades. (tho both imho are Right Thing) 1943274;1570621931;mp_en_viaje;you know what stanford's charter is ? here : "First, the Nature, Object, and Purposes of the Institution Hereby Founded, to Be: Its nature, that of a university with such seminaries of learning as shall make it of the highest grade, including mechanical institutes, museums, galleries of art, laboratories, and conservatories, together with all things necessary for the study of agriculture in all its branches, and for mechanical train 1943275;1570621932;mp_en_viaje;ing, and the studies and exercises directed to the cultivation and enlargement of the mind: Its object, to qualify its students for personal success, and direct usefulness in life; And its purposes, to promote the public welfare by exercising an influence in behalf of humanity and civilization, teaching the blessings of liberty regulated by law, and inculcating love and reverence for the great principles of government as derived fro 1943276;1570621932;mp_en_viaje;m the inalienable rights of man to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." 1943277;1570621979;mp_en_viaje;according to this charter, Fayetteville State University just as "fulfills". 1943278;1570622001;mp_en_viaje;heck, even pizarro delivers uruguay dc services to its customers even today. 1943279;1570622048;mp_en_viaje;(btw : Fayetteville State University is 2/3 female, and worst crime rate in the state. because that's what happens when you mix inclusivity with female-friendliness, you build a rape shack.) 1943280;1570622112;mp_en_viaje;https://www.wral.com/news/local/story/102922/ lulz 1943281;1570622276;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942903 << because he has exactly none of the skillsets involved in running anything even remotely like a useful foundation, and no interest in acquiring them (or perhaps no capacity for acquiring them) as proven by years of practical measurements. 1943282;1570622277;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 21:49:15 asciilifeform: mod6: why not want to be involved ? 1943283;1570622386;mp_en_viaje;this aren't fucking onorifics, i dunno how to put it in some form comprehensible to the morgraine fans. these are opportunities to do work. "doing something" is not doing work. 1943284;1570622436;mp_en_viaje;if the thing dun work -- you've not been working, there's no subjective-standard basis for arguing this, "oh look how much i sweated" or anything like that. shit gotta work for activity to be called work. 1943285;1570622618;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942906 << don't be an idiot, http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-08-31#1932784 ; not to even look into "[http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942900][oh but mp, foundation didn't actually have to do anything, as per my inept read of its charter]" lulz. what, it says "emplace noads" in there now ? 1943286;1570622618;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 21:51:32 asciilifeform: nao asciilifeform is no one in tbf. but will be sad if it comes to be the case that there is no tbf to fund emplacements of noades, curation of the ref. trb (incl. mod6's very fine build system) . 1943287;1570622618;ossabot;Logged on 2019-08-31 19:15:27 asciilifeform: will put in l0gz, ftr : the only nodes that gave >100 blox of the 46115 : 1943288;1570622618;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 21:47:31 asciilifeform: incidentally i dun agree w/ mp's verdict that tbf is somehow broken (aside from 1 of the 2 chairs having gone awol.) charter reads, clearly, 'This charter establishes the existence of a virtual organization whose mission is to maintain the Bitcoin reference implementation.' this was carried out . 1943289;1570622639;mp_en_viaje;"oh, it'll be sad to not have a thing we don't have, to do things it didn't do anyway that i just argued i tshouldn't have been doing in any case". 1943290;1570622641;mp_en_viaje;what is this! 1943291;1570622709;mp_en_viaje;yes, it'd have been perfectly fine to say, YEAR+ AGO WHEN THIS CAME UP, "well mp, maybe we don't do other things, but we have a donations program that's growing an average 0.2% per month, predicated on building trb nodes, which we do built, at the rate of ~one per quarter". 1943292;1570622730;mp_en_viaje;this -- was not said, then. don't fucking cpome to me with your insulting infantile narrative bullshit today, as if i've fucking forgotten,. 1943293;1570622794;mp_en_viaje;they sat on ass and sucked each other dicks about how important they are for bitcoin "Because mp says so" while bitcoin went exactly by them, like all other [http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-in-argentina-exactly-nothing-to-do-with-the-derps/][plowing flies]. but like EXACTLY. 1943294;1570622833;mp_en_viaje;this ground was covered already, and in the exact terminology, of "your whole relevancy to this space is my say so, you've built nothing out of it, and if tomorrow i do not say you do not fucking exist, idiots". 1943295;1570622861;mp_en_viaje;attempts to re-approach this without addressing the central fucking problem will result in what pantsuitism always results in -- ima fucking cut the involved heads and move on. 1943296;1570622929;mp_en_viaje;no outreach = no foundation. forget about it. 1943297;1570622936;mp_en_viaje;no outreach = no business. forget about it. 1943298;1570622960;mp_en_viaje;no foundation, no business, there may be a MINOR place for castrated bois on the farm, but it's in the barn not in the house. 1943299;1570623126;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942907 << the EXACT other way around. 1943300;1570623126;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 21:52:11 asciilifeform: imho these are the fundamentals, without which all other adventures pertaining to trb (e.g. propaganda) are meaningless. 1943301;1570623314;mp_en_viaje;everything you do, each day, is meaningless and stays meaningless. you even understand this yourself, in [][a different compartment] of the stupid head. 1943302;1570623346;mp_en_viaje;meh, i'd have linked the "oh, nobody reads these" plaintive from before, including with the very nice article if yielded on diana_coman 's site, but of coruse one too old the other not routable, what can i do. 1943303;1570623384;mp_en_viaje;the shit you do isn't ~the basis~ for outreach. outreach is the basis for the shit you do, which is why and wherefore you've been productive since the republic and depressed prior. 1943304;1570623414;mp_en_viaje;stop confusing cause and effect, stop looking up the wrong name server roots, stop minimaxing randomly about, it's the stuff of insanity. 1943305;1570623515;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942909 << /me waves his hand disgustedly. 1943306;1570623515;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 21:53:52 mod6: I would like to see trb carry-on indeed. Now, perhaps, more than ever, is needed as a check against wild shitcoiners out there. 1943307;1570623536;mp_en_viaje;sure, anytime someone;s ready to do some useful shit there's a shitton of useful shit that's needed. 1943308;1570623593;mp_en_viaje;meanwhile the MOMENT something buds, it's not even actually waited until it buds, just as soon as it's NAMED -- whopeee, everyone's happily checked out again, flipped off the switch, their work here's done, let the name and inertia carry on through the ages. 1943309;1570623616;mp_en_viaje;erryone got some figurines to paint in the den. 1943310;1570623707;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942922 << no danger of that. but yes, if we ever get a church we're gonna need some prettily carved steeple decorations eventually (or not), best set to it rightnow! 1943311;1570623707;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 21:58:34 mod6: There is a lot of work re: trb that does need to be done too. Another thing that was nagging at me... if we're to have a "university", we also need materials. And technical materials can be 'trb' coad itself; however, it might be cool to have an annotated source. 1943312;1570623727;mp_en_viaje;if the church not ever built, they can nicely decorate your underbed o w/e, it's been done before. 1943313;1570623760;mp_en_viaje;them figurines tho, that's the thing. 1943314;1570623788;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942924 << i'm glad to hear you've gained ~nothing for this experience, either. 1943315;1570623788;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 21:58:50 asciilifeform: himself 'studying ffa' , [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942732][load it again into head] ! 1943316;1570623829;mp_en_viaje;go, why not, retrace old ground, maybe you could start work on re-writing a lisp interpreter also. or who knows. something impractical in any case. 1943317;1570623914;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942940 << no you dorks, it's all deeply unimportant, and you're exactly not called to touch any of it. 1943318;1570623915;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 22:04:05 mod6: lol, werd. it's all important, indeed. 1943319;1570623934;mp_en_viaje;it works just the fuck fine, and i wouldn't have a buncha morons that can't get a biplane off the ground touch it in any case. 1943320;1570623995;mp_en_viaje;first, make some real world shit work. then, MAYBE. though, honestly, i'd much rather have bitcoin work done by other people, while you spend the rest of your lives seling aluminum siding door to door and eating a machine sandwich each other day. 1943321;1570624024;mp_en_viaje;"oh hurr durr, everything we touch turns to shit, let's fix bitcoin herp" 1943322;1570624123;mp_en_viaje;it's not "i can't do my job, therefore i have more important things to do". there's no fucking refuge available in hallucinaria, "more important" things you self-declare yourself apt for. 1943323;1570624165;mp_en_viaje;you'te not fucking apt for anything, if yo ucan't run a foundation, something any middle aged sad female abandoned by her offspring manages just fine, if you can't manage a cozy isp with a bunchload of friendl contracts, it's not because "you're dragons called to plough", 1943324;1570624242;mp_en_viaje;it's because you're a bunch of mangy old asses that are NEVER going to be asked to fly or spit fire. 1943325;1570624278;mp_en_viaje;check it out, the pompous donothings, here we sit like it's 2011 still and herpy derp's good enough, say two hail marys and al will work out. 1943326;1570624375;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942956 << and why could he possibly not want to, I WONDER 1943327;1570624375;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 22:19:47 mod6: And mentioned that if he wants to, he can stop by for a nomination to the co-chair. 1943328;1570624494;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942970 << exactly zero chance of that (not that you're not trying to recreate the power ranger ecosystem in your own likeness), because the structure's correctly set. 1943329;1570624495;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 22:29:55 asciilifeform: but imho if actually maintaining the proggy dun come 1st, then what may end with is item resembling the pseudofoundation, which has lengthy tentacles but 0 grasp of the orig. item (not even enuff grasp to do seriously complex evil, for the most part.) 1943330;1570624519;mp_en_viaje;wouldn't survive all of ten minutes in your golum hands, of course, to everyone;s great sadness. but while it stands it won't permit the idiocy. 1943331;1570624681;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942989 << hopefully to slam against head periodically, like the monk procession in ye olde days apud monthy python. 1943332;1570624681;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 23:20:36 trinque: if indeed we're scuttling piz, BingoBoingo may have the hardware I sent on bv's run as a gift. 1943333;1570624788;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942998 << sadly it didn't pan out ; i still believe this is probably the absolute best path for you. 1943334;1570624788;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 23:32:12 BingoBoingo: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942223 << It's been a busy day, but thank you mp for asking if I forgot to issue thanks before 1943335;1570624826;mp_en_viaje;good skill/personality fit to the demands, well paid in demand job, you could prolly excel at it. 1943336;1570624929;mp_en_viaje;if i had to guess, my guess as to your best course atm would be to try and find an on-site dc tech job somewhere. pretty much no matter where, just as long as it's genuine work rather than makework wank. 1943337;1570625245;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943057 << what's the use of a dc that far ? 1943338;1570625245;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-09 00:46:55 asciilifeform: all dc in immediate 50km around asciilifeform , appear to have gone 'usg-only'. 1943339;1570625284;mp_en_viaje;but yes, obviously w'ere losing a window. having to start from scratch years later means we're starting in a more hostile enviroment, of course the internet is closing up etc. 1943340;1570625297;mp_en_viaje;wasted time's never free. 1943341;1570628391;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943108 << I see your point. fwiw I'd be willing to give a chicken-finding discount once all is said and done 1943342;1570628392;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-09 10:23:54 mp_en_viaje: "sure, most people specializing in serving breakfast for a fee can produce omlets in about ten minutes. but they start with a ready kitchen, which already contains eg eggs" 1943343;1570629180;*;asciilifeform eats log, w/ high-quality mp flames etc, may take while 1943344;1570629392;asciilifeform;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943068 << is person? or is mp_en_viaje, a pile of homeless irons, and a gagged asciilifeform tied to firing squad post ? 1943345;1570629392;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-09 09:33:28 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942134 << thinking of this, on one hand i dislike the informalism. it's not "mp will accept these back", s.nsa is an actual person, exactly as much as you are, and doesn;t suddenly dissolve just because you don't particularly like the way things played out. the whole story of "oh, do X or you'll die" was, throughout, backed by exactly this backstop. this is the pip 1943346;1570629392;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 00:53:16 asciilifeform: snsa bought its share of piz for FG crate + 2 boxen ( the very smg boxen in fact ) , perhaps mp will accept these back . 1943347;1570629578;asciilifeform;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943075 << seems like mp intends on answering this q solely from own head. ( and relatedly asciilifeform would like to establish whether asciilifeform is , in eyes of mp, a human, or a tin soldier . ) 1943348;1570629579;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-09 09:40:42 mp_en_viaje: what value does it generate ? is it a good deal for nsa, to trade half a bitcoin for a coupla used dc machines, even leaving aside how these eminently constitute what asciilifeform knows to be called "surplus", through the process he oft described in logs of buying stuff for pennies ? 1943349;1570629637;asciilifeform;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943080 << does mp believe in market economics ? how is in it possible that 'can be done by 1' at same time 'worth 10/hr like broom sweep' ? 1943350;1570629637;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-09 09:50:44 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942651 << this is a thing we considered before even. the fundamental problem with it is that it's phd-assemblyline essentially, the work is worth 10 bux an hour but can only be done by like... one guy in the werld. i think it rather a pitfall. 1943351;1570629637;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 16:36:01 diana_coman: asciilifeform: dunno, maybe s.nsa could sell hardware including rk plants? for me asciilifeform-seal is worth something really. 1943352;1570629728;asciilifeform;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943101 << the heathen dc q imho resolves to 'best horses in glue factory'. so far seems 100% tards. nao, which tard do you want to do biz with ? 1943353;1570629728;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-09 10:07:57 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942670 << because http://trilema.com/2011/webfactor-procedurile-si-idiotenia/ ; and because many numerous such detailed in detail back when i wrote in romanian. things might've changed in the intervening years, though i do not have any faith in the tards. seems the only true capacity of the romanian is for the above "ima just sit here doing what i'm doing and wait 1943354;1570629729;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 16:47:50 asciilifeform: diana_coman: i currently do not know why mp [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940500][fatwa'd ro], but must assume it was not because flag is wrong three colours 1943355;1570629758;asciilifeform;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943116 << it was, literally, a 2/3 scale model of u.s. wtc. 1943356;1570629758;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-09 10:28:31 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942706 << oh, it's one o fthose orcmiami-wannabe "tower" things, isn't it. 1943357;1570629758;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 17:26:00 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: seems like 9000x greater concern for their (indeed mirror-smooth, i nearly slipped on it) marble floor , than for working dc!! 1943358;1570629815;asciilifeform;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943118 << this actually happened as described. actually bloodied the 'button' hole. and had to hunt for disinfectant in the orc shops. 1943359;1570629815;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-09 10:29:13 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942709 << wait, what ?! 1943360;1570629816;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 17:27:16 asciilifeform: in piz tower pushed what looked like button in the lift, it fell N stories down, and hole -- razor-sharp 1943361;1570629864;asciilifeform;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943133 << this isn't wrong at all 1943362;1570629864;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-09 10:35:25 mp_en_viaje: for instance, on basis of pizarro experience, mp currently thinks latam is a joke technologically, similarly. 1943363;1570629983;asciilifeform;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943147 << mp achieves what aristotel could not : overpowering fundamental contempt for not only physical labour, but intellectual ( of anyone other than mp's , naturally. newton -- autistic fucktard!1 thinking -- aint thinking, but 'autistic spin' unless done by mp over weapons-grade coffee in vienna on table made of three gurlz , etc ) 1943364;1570629983;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-09 10:45:07 mp_en_viaje: rather than "it's something in the water" etc. the wankasteries are built by overgrown bois who were permitted to live as uninterruptedly as they pleased, age 4.5 to 7ish. 1943365;1570630014;asciilifeform;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943153 << this , so 1943366;1570630014;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-09 11:02:43 mp_en_viaje: the true disadvantage of old age is that the spring outside's never the spring you befriended, and knew. 1943367;1570630058;asciilifeform;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943154 << errything i personally carried summed to 100kg (and in fact weighed.) but no i did not order BB to disconnect the installed customers so that i could weigh'em 1943368;1570630058;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-09 11:08:08 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942779 << what sorta weight did you have there after all ? in excess of 100kgs is it ? 1943369;1570630058;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 20:06:39 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: try to get the machines out. errything else after. don't break yer back tho. 1943370;1570630088;asciilifeform;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943161 << how much is owed ? 1943371;1570630088;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-09 11:13:49 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942801 << fwir pizarro is solvent, so nsa needn't have any say, it'll be paid what's owed and that's that. 1943372;1570630088;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 20:37:02 asciilifeform: !Qlater tell mod6 you presently majority shareholder. asciilifeform -- minority. ( mp is [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942437][owed] and also rightfully has a say. ) let's discuss asap the lawsuit. 1943373;1570630089;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-08 15:01:51 mp_en_viaje: ah yes, they do owe us some money, but i wasn't converted afaik. 1943374;1570630146;asciilifeform;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943175 << extrapolation from mp's description of argentine attourneys, in fact. could be entirely off . 1943375;1570630147;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-09 11:20:50 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942840 << and this suspicion is based on your never talking to any or what ? 1943376;1570630147;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 21:08:07 asciilifeform: mod6: orc attourneys i suspect dun charge megabux. but imho worth to find what'd cost. perhaps even 1 would work on contingency, and then only costs to feed BingoBoingo . 1943377;1570630225;asciilifeform;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943178 << it ~could~ have resale value, and i dun particularly care ~where~ sold. this is last step of the disassembly, to be done only after the data recoveries, refunds, evacuations . 1943378;1570630225;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-09 11:24:19 mp_en_viaje: just how, HOW the fuck does the noggin work on your shoulders, dude ? you think paying a coupla grand a month for dc pipe is maxint while you think dc hardware you carried through customs at great expense and is locally irreplaceable has no resale value, you think lawyers will be cheap while you don't pay lawyers that were cheap, you think lawyers could help you but lawyers with proven track record of helping you 1943379;1570630341;asciilifeform;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943177 << the 'master attourney' who mp billed as 'will use gpg' but never heard of any such thing ? him ? yes i'ma pay what mp billed for this 'service' . 1943380;1570630341;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-09 11:22:37 mp_en_viaje: i seem to recall this other attorney that didn't charge megabux (in fact, like a hundy or so per month) that i've surprise-discovered in your wake and on which you've been owin me for like a year now. i'm starting to think it'll get discharged "for cost of postage" also, just as soon as i'm ready ? 1943381;1570630400;asciilifeform;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943186 << pay for what ? for empty rack until may ?! 1943382;1570630400;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-09 11:31:05 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942846 << if that's what you wanna do, it's much likelier to be cheaper to pay than to litigate. 1943383;1570630400;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 21:11:45 asciilifeform: mod6: since BingoBoingo apparently wishes to stay in uruguayistan, gotta cleanly nuke the contract. 1943384;1570630449;asciilifeform;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943194 << imho it IS broken, and BingoBoingo oughta pack. for somewhere else. 1943385;1570630450;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-09 11:38:14 mp_en_viaje: and, ethically speaking, if this means you hafta leave uruguay, leave fucking uruguay, because ~IT IS BROKEN~. 1943386;1570630460;asciilifeform;if he stays there, will break also. 1943387;1570630486;asciilifeform;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943198 << this is point. asciilifeform -- misread. 1943388;1570630486;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-09 11:41:05 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942860 << the ~pub~keys ? 1943389;1570630486;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 21:18:06 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'd rather not put those on a heathen hoster, but let's ask the affected folx 1st. 1943390;1570630593;asciilifeform;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943233 << is tbf 'person' ? or also tin soldier, i.e. fights while mp moves it on game board, dies when he knocks it over ? 1943391;1570630594;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-09 12:09:35 mp_en_viaje: attempts to re-approach this without addressing the central fucking problem will result in what pantsuitism always results in -- ima fucking cut the involved heads and move on. 1943392;1570630667;asciilifeform;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943254 << i dun get it, do you want the item properly completed or not ? 1943393;1570630667;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-09 12:25:43 mp_en_viaje: go, why not, retrace old ground, maybe you could start work on re-writing a lisp interpreter also. or who knows. something impractical in any case. 1943394;1570630735;asciilifeform;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943258 << so , sack erryone, bring in these mythical 'other people' , why wait ? why mp surrounds himself with 'retarded bois' ? 1943395;1570630735;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-09 12:28:29 mp_en_viaje: first, make some real world shit work. then, MAYBE. though, honestly, i'd much rather have bitcoin work done by other people, while you spend the rest of your lives seling aluminum siding door to door and eating a machine sandwich each other day. 1943396;1570630785;BingoBoingo;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943154 << All together 100 kg +/- 20% sounds about right 1943397;1570630785;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-09 08:08:48 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942779 << what sorta weight did you have there after all ? in excess of 100kgs is it ? 1943398;1570630798;asciilifeform;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943263 << check it out, asciilifeform is 'pompous do-nothing', and not the fella on a 9mo vacation who never so much as tied shoes with own hands 1943399;1570630798;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-09 12:33:12 mp_en_viaje: check it out, the pompous donothings, here we sit like it's 2011 still and herpy derp's good enough, say two hail marys and al will work out. 1943400;1570630848;asciilifeform;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943275 << it's a 40min drive. 1943401;1570630848;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-09 12:49:19 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943057 << what's the use of a dc that far ? 1943402;1570630849;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-09 00:46:55 asciilifeform: all dc in immediate 50km around asciilifeform , appear to have gone 'usg-only'. 1943403;1570630929;BingoBoingo;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943166 << The local MercadoAmaBay thing is probably going to take time but have the best chance at getting value out of servers. 1943404;1570630930;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-09 08:17:56 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942824 << really ?! whenever i needed something there, it was either at a premium on their local shitlist (mercado something) or else (more commonly) not even available, had to be courriered in. 1943405;1570630958;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: there, and in parallel w/ proper auction on auctionbot . 1943406;1570631092;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It's not an auction thing. It's a classified ad thing. If we want to do both we'll probably have to auctionbot with a floor, then give them some time on OrcadoLibre, then when patience or reason runs out second auction on auctionbot is what I'm thinking. 1943407;1570631115;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: you'll go to the mercado, establish the floor for auctionbot . seems elementary. 1943408;1570631202;BingoBoingo;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943194 << If it comes to that, yes 1943409;1570631203;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-09 08:38:54 mp_en_viaje: and, ethically speaking, if this means you hafta leave uruguay, leave fucking uruguay, because ~IT IS BROKEN~. 1943410;1570631231;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: ftr i think he's right, and you gotta get out if you want to keep yer head. the radiation will getcha. 1943411;1570631278;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: eventually will come the day when the behaviour of e.g. the latech people, seems ~normal~ to BingoBoingo . 1943412;1570631344;BingoBoingo;But, the day to get out of Uruguay is not today, or tomorrow, or this week. 1943413;1570631363;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: but not 'next year' or there'll be no one to evacuate, BingoBoingo . 1943414;1570631374;asciilifeform;there'll be a BingoBoingo-shaped shell. 1943415;1570631432;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: mp for instance seems to think that asciilifeform -- already a shell. and i'm not even 100% certain that he's wrong. 1943416;1570631451;BingoBoingo;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943274 << Once the fires and tamped down, I can start a search along these lines. 1943417;1570631451;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-09 09:44:43 mp_en_viaje: if i had to guess, my guess as to your best course atm would be to try and find an on-site dc tech job somewhere. pretty much no matter where, just as long as it's genuine work rather than makework wank. 1943418;1570631505;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i dun expect that you'll listen, but imho you oughta pick a coordinate from mp's globe and take that evacuation, as soon as the reactor's properly quenched. 1943419;1570631529;asciilifeform;and ~there~ can look for work. 1943420;1570631710;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Picking a coordinate on a timeline spec'd with "as soon as" seems like a rush if the circumstances aren't forcing it. 1943421;1570631730;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: you'll be selling own coin to eat soon. so best not to delay. 1943422;1570632000;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: pretty interesting thread tho, aint it ? we make 2y of isp from a crumpled wad mp threw in the trash, and we're all 'autistic castrato bois' 1943423;1570632032;BingoBoingo;The last thing I want to do is pick a spot on the globe and go there with even less of idea of "Wat do" than was present when I picked Uruguay. 1943424;1570632069;asciilifeform;the BingoBoingo of 2y ago would not have said this, tho ! 1943425;1570632076;BingoBoingo;But his description of the childhood, it seemed to hit the mark. 1943426;1570632103;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i won't repeat again, to keep up snr, but get outta there while you can. the atmosphere already eating you at the edges. 1943427;1570632106;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: 2 years ago I was in the zone. Now I am out of the zone in an area populated by one kind of tard. 1943428;1570632130;BingoBoingo;MP's informative tour writeups suggest all the world is mostly populated by tards of some sort. 1943429;1570632228;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: maybe at some pt he'll turn up that shangri-la that's populated by Actual People, i.e. mp-grade, and we can all go 'slice lengthwise' . 1943430;1570632267;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: If everyone clusters in the same hole, however nice, there will still be colorrevolution tards. Them's the brakes. 1943431;1570632384;BingoBoingo;And speaking with other small business folks on the Monday lawyer/networking walk suggests Uruguay may see a cascaded of non-farm business failures in near future. This may or may not be an interesting watch. 1943432;1570632389;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i dun expect that he'll find it tho. cuz he's trapped on this hell planet where there's 1 actual-person and 1e10 tards. 1943433;1570632428;mp_en_viaje;lobbes, i don't need it, nor want it, nor does it help anything. 1943434;1570632450;mp_en_viaje;what i need, and want, and would help plenty, would be more competent people who can AND DO solve the relevant problems. 1943435;1570632483;mp_en_viaje;such that for instance, when i say "well, convert your namecheap membership into an irc bot, and open it to the republic then", people don't go "omfg mp, what unthinkable thing, let me spend now 6 years '''meditating''' in my wankastery". 1943436;1570632503;mp_en_viaje;but you deliver it in a fortnight and then i can hang everyone who doesn't similarly, for being a wayward dick-in-hands. 1943437;1570632521;mp_en_viaje;and presto, solution to pantsuit websitization and accountization in hand. 1943438;1570632553;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: where's the gallows where you hanged all the fellas who didn't write logger in august ? 1943439;1570632567;mp_en_viaje;you saved them. 1943440;1570632574;asciilifeform;damn, i did ?! 1943441;1570632578;mp_en_viaje;you did. 1943442;1570632635;*;asciilifeform didn't know. 1943443;1570632642;mp_en_viaje;good thing you asked then. 1943444;1570632642;asciilifeform;perhaps some of'em will return the favour.. 1943445;1570632662;mp_en_viaje;well for one BingoBoingo selflessly saved everyone from having to confront the "wtf are you doing" thing for a year or two. 1943446;1570632687;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: not necessarily a win. perhaps we oughta have sank long ago. 1943447;1570632688;mp_en_viaje;but yes, the whole fucking concept's that perhaps pooling salvation might work. 1943448;1570632693;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, this is so. 1943449;1570632846;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: ftr i dun think yer wrong, that we're all charlatans. if i knew where the 'competent people who solve problems' live, would show to mp_en_viaje , and go off to the bar where phf is working on his cirrhosis . 1943450;1570632869;mp_en_viaje;why does it always have to be someone else ? 1943451;1570632898;mp_en_viaje;don't tell me "priests", please, for love of my sides. 1943452;1570632922;asciilifeform;screw priests, i've a whole pope on the line here 1943453;1570632970;mp_en_viaje;hm ? 1943454;1570633025;asciilifeform;well for instance i reloaded recently into head, latin, so could read mp_en_viaje's . 1943455;1570633066;mp_en_viaje;and i fixed some ru verse. this is like complaining about chocolate. 1943456;1570633075;asciilifeform;i aint got complaint. 1943457;1570633089;mp_en_viaje;but im just saying, gotta stretch the mind, can't always to the same shape 1943458;1570633100;asciilifeform;on acct of mp_en_viaje asciilifeform learned coupla new langs. 1943459;1570633119;asciilifeform;incl. ones mp_en_viaje dun even use. 1943460;1570633145;mp_en_viaje;what, elvish ? 1943461;1570633149;asciilifeform;e.g. jp 1943462;1570633153;mp_en_viaje;ah 1943463;1570633174;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: why do you think asciilifeform comes to mp_en_viaje to be beaten with ramrods ? 1943464;1570633217;asciilifeform;it's good for health . 1943465;1570633269;mp_en_viaje;yes but 1943466;1570633321;mp_en_viaje;just the beatign by iself ain't gonna do much. 1943467;1570633541;diana_coman;younghands.club is back online at its new IP 185.163.47.240 restored from existing backups, apparently without data-loss. 1943468;1570633572;asciilifeform;neato diana_coman . BingoBoingo has the last-alive copy tho, if it is needed. 1943469;1570633653;diana_coman;fwiw the bitch was making sure I have latest mpwp; because shit, hanbot's site is down, billymg's site is down and yes, I had backups of the db and www but not of all software too, sigh. 1943470;1570633732;*;asciilifeform brb,tea 1943471;1570633957;mp_en_viaje;lmao 1943472;1570634157;mp_en_viaje;i guess we're gonna have to get a "all v-trees everywhere" program going systematically 1943473;1570634197;BingoBoingo;On top of every lord their own isp 1943474;1570634231;mp_en_viaje;myeah 1943475;1570634299;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: myeah, I had the ref code page on ossasepia.com ; ofc; of fucking course. 1943476;1570634312;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943281 << i'm reading samuel pepys. an excellent read, to wash out the shaw & other intellectual warts and clots. 1943477;1570634313;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-09 10:55:34 asciilifeform: eats log, w/ high-quality mp flames etc, may take while 1943478;1570634363;mp_en_viaje;in fact, have been using him like this for years ; and amusingly last night fell on passage, "Thence I after dinner to the Duke of York's playhouse, and there saw "Sir Martin Mar-all;" which I have seen so often, and yet am mightily pleased with it, and think it mighty witty, and the fullest of proper matter for mirth that ever was writ; and I do clearly see that they do improve in their acting of it. " 1943479;1570634383;mp_en_viaje;which is funny, because story in a story, look that what he says of his life's my life's usage of his. 1943480;1570634460;diana_coman;anyway, for now I think it won't hurt to put up a page with vpatches on younghands.club too 1943481;1570634464;diana_coman;mirroring ftw 1943482;1570634477;mp_en_viaje;yeah. 1943483;1570634816;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943287 << it's possible, it's possible. consider the value of your unpublished sex tape. as such, can be done by exactly one at a time -- if you're not in it, it's not your sex tape. 1943484;1570634817;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-09 11:03:11 asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943080 << does mp believe in market economics ? how is in it possible that 'can be done by 1' at same time 'worth 10/hr like broom sweep' ? 1943485;1570634817;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-09 09:50:44 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942651 << this is a thing we considered before even. the fundamental problem with it is that it's phd-assemblyline essentially, the work is worth 10 bux an hour but can only be done by like... one guy in the werld. i think it rather a pitfall. 1943486;1570634817;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 16:36:01 diana_coman: asciilifeform: dunno, maybe s.nsa could sell hardware including rk plants? for me asciilifeform-seal is worth something really. 1943487;1570634845;mp_en_viaje;however, sex tapes are worth minwage, and only because that's what minwage means (in socialism), the arbitrary value of hour of sweat 1943488;1570634914;mp_en_viaje;(its value, incidentally, is positive also because of the market effect -- if retard was there doing that therefore was [http://trilema.com/2009/omul-inutil-sau-pledoarie-pentru-protectie-sociala/][not somewhere else doing something else], and the value of the spurious man not hindering the actual humans is positive always. 1943489;1570634925;mp_en_viaje;in this sense, minimum wage is a substitute for the capital cost of having the moron shot. 1943490;1570635044;mp_en_viaje;now, to continue the analogy -- certain people prefer certain people's sex tapes, very drastically, in that will buy no others. 1943491;1570635072;mp_en_viaje;but the market still is what the market is -- unless you can convince ~a whole group~ to apply the above algo, you've got nothing. hence the importance of outreach. 1943492;1570635134;mp_en_viaje;which sums up to, there are TWO key ingredients in getting paid. work that not many can do ~and that many want~. 1943493;1570635214;mp_en_viaje;work that not many can do that not many want is exactly the [http://trilema.com/2016/the-bizarro-world-of-camwhoring/][stupid girl] trap. alf's highly dramatized whinings about tin soldiers aside, i'd very much like to protect my household, however construed, from such wasteful fate. 1943494;1570635247;mp_en_viaje;which is both why a) my girls, while required to perfrom ~just as well as whores~ nevertheless aren't on sale with the other whores and b) i don't see the wisdom in trained-monkey-alf-business. 1943495;1570635693;mp_en_viaje;consider also that, as far as anyone knew, working pizarro was ~only avenue of resolving the "by large group" issue. yes, if pizarro became 2020s digitalocean, then surely the demand on alf-sealed hw would have become such that alf... what ? 1943496;1570635707;mp_en_viaje;if then million people want your hand-made linzer torte / apfelstrudel / whatever, what do you do ? 1943497;1570635734;mp_en_viaje;all the strudel in austria and bavaria was SHAITE incomprehensible. it was called that, it came from there, it was not worth the eating. 1943498;1570635771;mp_en_viaje;because obviously, how the fuck are they gonna mass-market the definitive lordly product, strudel existed back in the day when the consumers were few, not many. 1943499;1570635815;mp_en_viaje;takes a lot of actual work to make properly, who's gonna do it 1943500;1570635847;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943290 << well, i nearly did with the one with a gpg key. 1943501;1570635848;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-09 11:04:42 asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943101 << the heathen dc q imho resolves to 'best horses in glue factory'. so far seems 100% tards. nao, which tard do you want to do biz with ? 1943502;1570635848;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-09 10:07:57 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942670 << because http://trilema.com/2011/webfactor-procedurile-si-idiotenia/ ; and because many numerous such detailed in detail back when i wrote in romanian. things might've changed in the intervening years, though i do not have any faith in the tards. seems the only true capacity of the romanian is for the above "ima just sit here doing what i'm doing and wait 1943503;1570635848;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 16:47:50 asciilifeform: diana_coman: i currently do not know why mp [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940500][fatwa'd ro], but must assume it was not because flag is wrong three colours 1943504;1570636085;asciilifeform;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943433 << asciilifeform [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942653][said exactly this] to diana_coman . 1943505;1570636086;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-09 15:43:27 mp_en_viaje: consider also that, as far as anyone knew, working pizarro was ~only avenue of resolving the "by large group" issue. yes, if pizarro became 2020s digitalocean, then surely the demand on alf-sealed hw would have become such that alf... what ? 1943506;1570636086;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-08 19:37:44 asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'd happily sell. but who to buy... 1943507;1570636103;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943301 << you know who did a lot of thinking ? Karl Philipp, Fürst zu Schwarzenberg. alledgedly, at least to hear the austrians, this dood did a whole lotta thinking. so much and so hard he thought, he even had a special thinkery where he hand-picked other thinkers to supplement the thinkers the kaisrin provided out of her own tinkerbands. 1943508;1570636104;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-09 11:08:57 asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943147 << mp achieves what aristotel could not : overpowering fundamental contempt for not only physical labour, but intellectual ( of anyone other than mp's , naturally. newton -- autistic fucktard!1 thinking -- aint thinking, but 'autistic spin' unless done by mp over weapons-grade coffee in vienna on table made of three gurlz , etc ) 1943509;1570636104;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-09 10:45:07 mp_en_viaje: rather than "it's something in the water" etc. the wankasteries are built by overgrown bois who were permitted to live as uninterruptedly as they pleased, age 4.5 to 7ish. 1943510;1570636120;mp_en_viaje;so much fucking thinking these people did, the whole empire ended as a going concern, and germany was made arounf austria. 1943511;1570636231;mp_en_viaje;now fucking spare me with "intellectual work" of the ilk and on the level of "noli turbare circulos meos!!1" 1943512;1570636245;mp_en_viaje;it got archimedes killed, you know ? 1943513;1570636305;asciilifeform;archimedes was already dead man when his wunderwaffen fizzled. 1943514;1570636311;mp_en_viaje;not so. 1943515;1570636319;mp_en_viaje;lotta whores survived charles in veneto. 1943516;1570636320;asciilifeform;i mean, walking-dead 1943517;1570636341;mp_en_viaje;and, consider even : he spoke LATIN! wasn't even his native lang, he had the wherewithal to address the roman in his own tongue 1943518;1570636346;mp_en_viaje;just... knew not what to say. 1943519;1570636387;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: what he oughta have said ? what was there to say ? 1943520;1570636417;mp_en_viaje;there's nothign "to say" in general and from outside like you propose. 1943521;1570636469;asciilifeform;why talk to -- death ? schrodinger by all rights oughta have been nailed when he went to lick hitler's boot, would've served him right. 1943522;1570636578;mp_en_viaje;there's not "[http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1939110][the thing to say to girls, volume X]" 1943523;1570636579;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-29 20:55:50 asciilifeform: many of'em had a distintly [http://trilema.com/2013/how-to-enter-failville/][la delle] flavour. but for archaeologist not entirely uninteresting . 1943524;1570636628;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, there was no ideological difference at work there. the schroedinger case is irrelevant (and, rather, herr s should have been hanged not when went to hitler, but when failed to say "yes i live with two women, so should you, shut it" 1943525;1570636648;mp_en_viaje;by comparison to that poltroonism, errything else peanuts. 1943526;1570636689;asciilifeform;depending on who's to be believed, hitler was fucking 2-3 inpatients. 1943527;1570636718;asciilifeform;eva + the secretutes. 1943528;1570636812;mp_en_viaje;i don't expect he was fucking anyone really. but, hey, diff it makes. 1943529;1570636853;asciilifeform;per the teachings of mp_en_viaje's , as i understand it makes diff, 'aint a man unless harem' neh 1943530;1570636866;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943305 << yes, well, can also weigh when putting in, no need to kill anyone to weigh spleen. 1943531;1570636867;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-09 11:10:12 asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943154 << errything i personally carried summed to 100kg (and in fact weighed.) but no i did not order BB to disconnect the installed customers so that i could weigh'em 1943532;1570636867;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-09 11:08:08 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942779 << what sorta weight did you have there after all ? in excess of 100kgs is it ? 1943533;1570636867;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 20:06:39 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: try to get the machines out. errything else after. don't break yer back tho. 1943534;1570636884;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, we're here living under impression hitler was all that much of man ? 1943535;1570636900;asciilifeform;asciilifeform is not equipped to answer. 1943536;1570636930;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943308 << i didn't actually review these, but wasn't it half a coin that pizarro owed nsa, as a convertible bond nsa never converted ? 1943537;1570636931;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-09 11:10:42 asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943161 << how much is owed ? 1943538;1570636931;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-09 11:13:49 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942801 << fwir pizarro is solvent, so nsa needn't have any say, it'll be paid what's owed and that's that. 1943539;1570636931;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 20:37:02 asciilifeform: !Qlater tell mod6 you presently majority shareholder. asciilifeform -- minority. ( mp is [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942437][owed] and also rightfully has a say. ) let's discuss asap the lawsuit. 1943540;1570636932;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-08 15:01:51 mp_en_viaje: ah yes, they do owe us some money, but i wasn't converted afaik. 1943541;1570636969;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: we'll review the logs; half a coin -- then half a coin. 1943542;1570636993;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: to be paid as coin, or as mp_en_viaje chooses, e.g. coin and FGs, etc. 1943543;1570637036;asciilifeform;( half-a-coin seems low, i thought was moar actually ) 1943544;1570637062;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943317 << looky, among other things that dood did, was invent a whole new category of greencard for chet when i needed it. it involved suing the ro govt successfully, undder my management yes but he did the courtroom litigation and managed all the prepwork for it himself ; the end product was an item NOBODY ELSE, in the whole world ever had, a unique artefact of a permanent, court-or 1943545;1570637062;mp_en_viaje;dered green card (all others have expiration date). 1943546;1570637063;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-09 11:14:55 asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943177 << the 'master attourney' who mp billed as 'will use gpg' but never heard of any such thing ? him ? yes i'ma pay what mp billed for this 'service' . 1943547;1570637063;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-09 11:22:37 mp_en_viaje: i seem to recall this other attorney that didn't charge megabux (in fact, like a hundy or so per month) that i've surprise-discovered in your wake and on which you've been owin me for like a year now. i'm starting to think it'll get discharged "for cost of postage" also, just as soon as i'm ready ? 1943548;1570637075;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i believe ! 1943549;1570637083;mp_en_viaje;and, for that matter, to this very day i hold ro id issues by ~the county~ of timis ; all others, in all history, issued by ~a city~. 1943550;1570637084;mp_en_viaje;and so on. 1943551;1570637111;mp_en_viaje;if you lease champion stallion and fail to make it across the river on its back, it is not going to retrospectively anull the animals' achievements. 1943552;1570637118;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: if you told me he's the man who got o. j. simpson to walk from electric chair, i'd also believe. but gpg -- he had 0 idea about. 1943553;1570637153;mp_en_viaje;i described the adventures of some girl who had no idea about public nudity last week, i think. 1943554;1570637173;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: It's 0.9 Pizarro owes S.NSA http://archive.is/wQWcU 1943555;1570637199;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, was a .4 from prior to the .5 indeed ? 1943556;1570637229;mp_en_viaje;i had vague memory of this. 1943557;1570637239;asciilifeform;i also, hence 'half sounds low' 1943558;1570637272;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: Will have to dig deeper. I plan to to the full notes and accounting autopsy this weekend. ATM preparing the shared customer backups for uploading to deedbot. 1943559;1570637315;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, aite. no real ememrgency with the paperwork, ended up being discussed because alf being ridiculous, don't take his squirmings in all directions as some kind of "omg, now mp desperately needs accounts". 1943560;1570637329;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: ty 1943561;1570637331;mp_en_viaje;i don't fucking need your latest accounts to hit his head against the rock, so put them out when they come. 1943562;1570637365;mp_en_viaje;otherwise, if you two(/three, whatevs) decide you absolutely not want to sell boxes locally (preferably after having considered the matter, rather than some inept guesswork in the blind), sna can take gear in lieu of cash, but not at arbitrary rates of nonsense. 1943563;1570637420;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i've no opposition to sale of gear to locals, to martians, to trump, wherever. 1st would have to find out who wants to keep his gear tho, and who -- instead jettison, and ask for coin (and if so at what weight of coin to gear.) 1943564;1570637423;mp_en_viaje;the only reason i'd prefer not to is that it'll then go on the nsa books ; and the reason i don't really want to do THAT is not that it costs me anything to keep copy/pasting a line over the however many reports ; 1943565;1570637448;mp_en_viaje;but the full expectation that it'll just sit there as an elevator button for alf to cut his arm into later, where he won't have them or who the fuck knows what happens. 1943566;1570637460;mp_en_viaje;but that protective conservatism is ~all my concern in the matter. 1943567;1570637473;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, well here discussed were pizarro owned items. 1943568;1570637495;mp_en_viaje;you're not held to do marketing for other people's colocated gear, returning that's a-ok. 1943569;1570637510;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: any gear we buy back as snsa by all rights gotta return to asciilifeform's torture chamber rack, at least until there's where else. that way no 'wont have or who thefuck knows' neh. 1943570;1570637528;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, ideally. 1943571;1570637537;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje already well made the point that he didnt sign up to warehouse anyffin. 1943572;1570637572;mp_en_viaje;actally, i had a crate of something or the other at some point, heh. or multiple. 1943573;1570637592;asciilifeform;indeed mp_en_viaje has crate ( arm boxen ) 1943574;1570637596;mp_en_viaje;pretty sure i currently have over 10sqft of storage taken up by assorted nsa/etc detritus in cr as it stands, maybe a buncha pogos ? 1943575;1570637597;asciilifeform;funnily enuff i also nao do 1943576;1570637636;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: iirc you have 20 'pogo' . ( not aware of other 'detritus' ) 1943577;1570637662;asciilifeform;unless to count a 2013 prototype rng, the size of postage stamp. 1943578;1570637663;mp_en_viaje;i dun feel like looking through inv bills rightnao. 1943579;1570637677;mp_en_viaje;nah 1943580;1570637687;*;asciilifeform pictures inv bill for storage of 1x1cm rng 1943581;1570637709;mp_en_viaje;well, the problem is, if you ever want to get it back out, you'd better knwo where the fuck to get it back out of. so, yes. 1943582;1570637718;asciilifeform;this indeed so 1943583;1570637722;mp_en_viaje;(bill here means, list, not invoice) 1943584;1570637727;mp_en_viaje;like ladding bill for ships. 1943585;1570637743;*;asciilifeform took this to near-pathological extent, still in fact has all of the parts for attempt at pick-n-place machine etc 1943586;1570637750;mp_en_viaje;i don't invoive myself for my own basement just yet 1943587;1570637760;asciilifeform;( even tho mp_en_viaje already wrote'em off . might need'em ! ) 1943588;1570637782;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, i recall at some point you were gonna make and publish an inventory of your kunstkammer 1943589;1570637806;mp_en_viaje;back when sterile discussion that came to nothing re adding a hardware trade shop to pizarro was going, maybe early 2018 1943590;1570637830;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i've been getting rid of the obv. dross , 1st.. 1943591;1570637840;mp_en_viaje;how did that die, anyway ? might've paid enough to permit bb to stay, if ever actually started as opposed to talked about 1943592;1570637863;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: died when discovered that to get even m3 screws into fuckingmonkeystan takes a courier with suitcases 1943593;1570637879;mp_en_viaje;but ~same is true of everyone else neh 1943594;1570637895;asciilifeform;not north idiotistan 1943595;1570637909;mp_en_viaje;but people in uy who buy things, have to buy from someone who did ^ 1943596;1570637916;asciilifeform;i get whatevers from moscow, pekin, berlin, in <4days. 1943597;1570637921;asciilifeform;0 tax. 1943598;1570637932;mp_en_viaje;you werent going to sell to ~you~, so lay off a second. 1943599;1570637941;asciilifeform;tru 1943600;1570637956;mp_en_viaje;pedro pococitos of cerito has to buy from someone who brought shit to cerito, he dun go t oberlin. 1943601;1570637983;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, you recall ^ ? 1943602;1570638046;*;asciilifeform cannot categorically say 'impossible to make moneys smuggling comps into fuckholistan' but prolly possible for suitcase man who knows how to get >100kg in for 2k $ trip, rather than <100 1943603;1570638057;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943319 << yes, it will likely be cheaper to pay for empty rack until may than to pay a lawyer+court assemblage to officially declare you don't have to. 1943604;1570638058;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-09 11:15:54 asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943186 << pay for what ? for empty rack until may ?! 1943605;1570638058;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-09 11:31:05 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942846 << if that's what you wanna do, it's much likelier to be cheaper to pay than to litigate. 1943606;1570638058;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 21:11:45 asciilifeform: mod6: since BingoBoingo apparently wishes to stay in uruguayistan, gotta cleanly nuke the contract. 1943607;1570638078;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: Contract only runs to feb 1st 1943608;1570638084;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i suspect that you'll turn out to be right, which is why BingoBoingo you gotta pack yer suitcases 1943609;1570638113;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, yes dude, all life's possible for they who know how to live. a life of eating bugs is possible for frog, a life of eating shoots is possible to the deer, at the end of the day you're to come with some kind of life you can live or else join the foliage. 1943610;1570638125;asciilifeform;at this pt the retardation of uruguay seems to be a bottomless blackn hole. if we couldn't fill it then, why to think that can fill it nao ? 1943611;1570638143;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: errybody joins the foliage at some pt. 1943612;1570638276;asciilifeform;imho the most valuable surviving component of piz is BingoBoingo , and would suck x9000 to lose him to the black hole. 1943613;1570638329;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: And yet I don't want to end up in deeper black hole for prematurely landing at some other spot on globe. 1943614;1570638341;asciilifeform;irons, can [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942440][make again], anyone can make, but where they make new BingoBoingo ? 1943615;1570638341;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-08 15:02:39 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, they will be gassed with anyway, ima just have to have someone else remake 'em. 1943616;1570638428;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it took asciilifeform 25y to turn into sea anemone , but you seem to be eager to break record, and do it in 2y ?! 1943617;1570638579;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Where to next if anywhere is background question versus the immediate concern of cleaning up the Pizarro remains. 1943618;1570638602;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: aite, i'ma lay off until reactor's quenched. but the q of where goes BingoBoingo aint 100% irrelevant to the quench process. 1943619;1570638605;asciilifeform;as mp_en_viaje pointed out. 1943620;1570638657;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i'ma also lay off 'tin soldiering' BingoBoingo , he's an a++ meat soldier and seems to be handling the evacuation 100% properly with own head. 1943621;1570638790;diana_coman;if anyone needs them, the [http://younghands.club/v-trees/][mpwp V tree] is live on younghands.club 1943622;1570638803;asciilifeform;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943512 << nao i'm wondering whether 'pogos' somehow breed... the suitcase was <4 sq.ft. 1943623;1570638803;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-09 16:15:10 mp_en_viaje: pretty sure i currently have over 10sqft of storage taken up by assorted nsa/etc detritus in cr as it stands, maybe a buncha pogos ? 1943624;1570639242;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943548 << what "nao" ? i'm asking him retrospectively, so as to try an' make sure no droplet of experience elixir he fucking paid for gets lost on the sands. 1943625;1570639242;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-09 13:24:39 asciilifeform: at this pt the retardation of uruguay seems to be a bottomless blackn hole. if we couldn't fill it then, why to think that can fill it nao ? 1943626;1570639256;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: re other-people's gear -- aint exactly, as you suggested, 'interchangeable sex tape that can be made with any tard', see e.g. [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942763][1], [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942789][2] . 1943627;1570639257;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-08 21:38:21 asciilifeform: diana_coman: know that not in erry box can one even put FG, even if orc willing to open it -- needs a pad of space. asciilifeform deliberately chose such boxes as had this space. 1943628;1570639257;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-08 23:21:49 asciilifeform: diana_coman: [https://archive.is/ESUyf/7cb5764ab58ee0c2c3b608cacbad28d61be385a6.jpg][here is how FGs went in machine], if this helps. if that space aint there (and in most boxes, in asciilifeform's experience, it aint) then can only put'em by e.g. forgoing raid card and using that space. or in 5in. disk slot (which most also lack.) 1943629;1570639279;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, i suspect you're missing the finer point here. 1943630;1570639287;asciilifeform;aint 'phd' either. but not quite 'buy from any flea market, wtf, phd assembly line, derp' 1943631;1570639299;mp_en_viaje;yes, angela mcspeshulface's sex tape can only be made by angela mcspeshulface. 1943632;1570639331;asciilifeform;but for what need angela, monica worx same ? 1943633;1570639336;mp_en_viaje;and yes, people who are into her face can only be satisfied by her 1943634;1570639354;mp_en_viaje;but because they who are so requiring ARE FEW, the aggregating effects of mass market STILL apply. 1943635;1570639357;*;BingoBoingo gets that a point that seems to be datacenter tech'ing is the one of the few things for which Republic needs meat soldier 1943636;1570639367;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: indeed they do 1943637;1570639373;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, wasn't what i was saying here. 1943638;1570639393;mp_en_viaje;i think ~for you, personally~, such as you are and irrespective of outside considerations, dc tech may be the best career path. 1943639;1570639400;BingoBoingo;ah 1943640;1570639411;mp_en_viaje;i can go into detail if you wish 1943641;1570639421;asciilifeform;it beats rabbit farming , imho 1943642;1570639430;BingoBoingo;If you go into detail I will appreciate and read. 1943643;1570639436;mp_en_viaje;alright, let's see. 1943644;1570639482;mp_en_viaje;the difference between dc tech and barrista is that dc tech MUST show up EVERY TIME. can't hit the snooze. is rather like surgeon in this respect. this -- you do. 1943645;1570639526;mp_en_viaje;the difference between dc tech and oncologist is that what dc tech must know is 1/100 the volume. very similar sort of inexpressible minutia, but not requires 15+ years of direct practice. bright student can catch up in 6 to 9 mo 1943646;1570639572;mp_en_viaje;the difference between dc tech and platoonleader is that dc tech need not situational awareness, possibly your weakest spot. has a boss, who tells him exactly what to do EACH time all the time no exceptions forever. 1943647;1570639633;mp_en_viaje;these for the positive. for the negative, you managed to live in dc without hamhandling any cables / runing things with hooves / etc. 1943648;1570639663;mp_en_viaje;this is pretty much the whole bar. i can think of no other professional line where this particular mix of dedication, greenishness and blindsidedness is equally adequate. and certainly of no better paying one. 1943649;1570639821;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: Thank you 1943650;1570639838;mp_en_viaje;the only other similar thing is trucking, but imo that's poison for you, because too many people do it so it's been well colonized by specific preditors that are effectual enough. 1943651;1570639902;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: gotta ask, why couldn't he, e.g. fix motorcycles ? also work for good hands, and unlike salaried tech ( asciilifeform did a 2y+ tour of duty as just-this when was starving ) open-ended vol. of biz 1943652;1570639933;mp_en_viaje;because he'll make some idiot friends and start doing stupid shit instead. 1943653;1570639938;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Motorcycles are a dying niche on the high end. Low end is all products of india. 1943654;1570639945;BingoBoingo;Also that 1943655;1570639947;asciilifeform;but won't make idjit friends in a dc ? 1943656;1570639955;mp_en_viaje;won't make any, i don't expect. 1943657;1570639958;*;asciilifeform pictures BingoBoingo conscripted into latech 1943658;1570639990;mp_en_viaje;the ONE important thing is to latch on a dc that's run by a guy, quite like that mivo dude, and not by a retarded ugiistanism, "corporation" 1943659;1570640012;asciilifeform;btw is it known that maxim of mivo actually runs the dc ? 1943660;1570640038;mp_en_viaje;makes little diff, just the personality signature's right. like that douchebag dood or w/e, if trinque ran a dc i'd pack you tonight. 1943661;1570640046;asciilifeform;re 'run by a guy' -- these dun seem to exist in uy 1943662;1570640072;mp_en_viaje;well, if they did was his job to find on your/my dime prior, in any case. 1943663;1570640078;asciilifeform;it was ! 1943664;1570640119;asciilifeform;fwiw i'm satisfied that there's moar buried nazi gold to be found in uy than dc-run-by-guy but if mp_en_viaje not convinced , i haven't a counter 1943665;1570640132;mp_en_viaje;i believe. 1943666;1570640136;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: By all appearances Latecho can't pay Uruguayos, and I did make their surviving sales and telecom managers pale this week. Guy seems to have gone oldgendered coverting Latecho to low investment netflix box pension 1943667;1570640215;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i strongly suspect that that dc got 'colour revolution'-d but this not directly pertinent to thrd. 1943668;1570640548;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: imho mp_en_viaje has strong point. 1943669;1570640560;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje has sold me that datacenter tech is probably best career for me as I am today. Next obstacle is does any datacenter have the brains to take mp_en_viaje's recommendation with the necessary gravity. 1943670;1570640561;asciilifeform;but afaik, you can't do this in uy. 1943671;1570640563;mp_en_viaje;in any case, i can appreciate your wanting to stay, but it is possible uruguay not very good spot for you. could alternatively build that list of ixp's, start emailing cvs to all of them asking for employment. if get one, just tell the girl to come, odds are she will. 1943672;1570640609;mp_en_viaje;vancouver is cold, but the pay's also better than whatever uruguay has to offer. rents&cost of living also higher, but odds are she doesn't comprehend that. 1943673;1570640611;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: Right. asciilifeform: The place to be emailing ISPs would be Uruguay or WTF? Imma pack twice? 1943674;1570640627;BingoBoingo;IXPs 1943675;1570640639;mp_en_viaje;you can mail from your current chair, what's the impediment 1943676;1570640674;asciilifeform;afaik the only ixp in uy is antel. but mp_en_viaje has it 1943677;1570640678;mp_en_viaje;can also be frank with them, "look, i came to uy to get isp going, worked ok for 3 years, dc died from under us, i got a girl and must relocate asap" 1943678;1570640716;mp_en_viaje;you'll get a lowball offer which you take and then pivot later. 1943679;1570640724;BingoBoingo;ty 1943680;1570640750;BingoBoingo; you can mail from your current chair, what's the impediment << Just trying to squash the earlier "evac nao" hysterics 1943681;1570640806;mp_en_viaje;"fuck you guise, i;m otta here" is for the sort of mobster-looking dude with a 10k usd brick in a steel clip in his pocket and iron packing escort grinning from over his shoulders. 1943682;1570640817;mp_en_viaje;you'd better plan your jumps. 1943683;1570640853;BingoBoingo;Indeed 1943684;1570640885;mp_en_viaje;unless your style is "go to that store, bring me one of everything", "get in the car, we're going" isn't the way to go. 1943685;1570640985;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: possibly asciilifeform has simplistic model of BingoBoingo -- i.e. ' BingoBoingo -- parachutist. what's a 2nd, 3rd, ..., jump, to parachutist !' 1943686;1570641093;mp_en_viaje;let's call it simplistic and leave it at that. 1943687;1570641165;asciilifeform;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943410 << before this escapes -- imho this is Right Thing 1943688;1570641165;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-09 15:17:51 mp_en_viaje: i guess we're gonna have to get a "all v-trees everywhere" program going systematically 1943689;1570641168;mp_en_viaje;(to clarify : build ipx list, because it lists live active dc/isp operatoons. you're not likely to get to work for the ixp directly as these are usually ~foundations, nonprofits) 1943690;1570641169;BingoBoingo;Working parachutist generally doesn't jump without some sorta plan. 1943691;1570641279;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: Right, gotta map the space and then fire the marketing payload. 1943692;1570641284;mp_en_viaje;right. 1943693;1570641286;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: didn't propose 'spin globe randomly' but [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943356][approx what mp_en_viaje in fact gave] . 1943694;1570641286;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-09 14:33:39 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i dun expect that you'll listen, but imho you oughta pick a coordinate from mp's globe and take that evacuation, as soon as the reactor's properly quenched. 1943695;1570641298;mp_en_viaje;amusingly, a very remedial sort of exercise anyway. 1943696;1570641308;BingoBoingo;lol, right 1943697;1570641389;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, prolly will have to be an extension of logger bots, where they also act as vpatch registrers 1943698;1570641396;mp_en_viaje;~similar to deed thing 1943699;1570641421;mp_en_viaje;but you know, first, gotta see lobbes mp-wp combo, THEN 1943700;1570641518;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943328 << it failed to live, is its whole problem. it was made to live, stayed wooden. 1943701;1570641518;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-09 11:19:08 asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943233 << is tbf 'person' ? or also tin soldier, i.e. fights while mp moves it on game board, dies when he knocks it over ? 1943702;1570641518;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-09 12:09:35 mp_en_viaje: attempts to re-approach this without addressing the central fucking problem will result in what pantsuitism always results in -- ima fucking cut the involved heads and move on. 1943703;1570641704;mp_en_viaje;all things that do this will eventually be garbage collected, because wtf, we'll just drown in figurines otherwise. 1943704;1570641733;mp_en_viaje;if it ain't growing, it's reaperfodder. 1943705;1570641779;asciilifeform;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943635 << so happens that this very thing was asciilifeform's just about last request to phf . ( never birthed, tho ) 1943706;1570641779;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-09 17:18:23 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, prolly will have to be an extension of logger bots, where they also act as vpatch registrers 1943707;1570641804;mp_en_viaje;it'll get done, just, you know, in 2026 by currnet schendulling 1943708;1570641821;asciilifeform;like the logger!111 1943709;1570641932;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943330 << my problems right now is that while we diddledaddled at "isp", the world changed. i dunno if you understand this or not, observe if yourself or not, but it doesn't fucking matter. 1943710;1570641933;mp_en_viaje;people, generally, ineptly failing to make ~good~ websites back in 2001 meant, necessarily, that the space'll eventually be taken up by "platforms". foss retards failing to make useful software back in 2006 meant, necessarily, that the space'll eventually be taken up by ubuntus. similarly with dcs, the "vibrant market" for many independent people's boxes is being eaten by netflix in the wake of googleamazon ops, and has been. 1943711;1570641933;mp_en_viaje;if we 1943712;1570641933;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-09 11:20:21 asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943254 << i dun get it, do you want the item properly completed or not ? 1943713;1570641933;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-09 12:25:43 mp_en_viaje: go, why not, retrace old ground, maybe you could start work on re-writing a lisp interpreter also. or who knows. something impractical in any case. 1943714;1570641942;mp_en_viaje;wait for long enough, there will not be any fucking place to isp at, either. 1943715;1570641969;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: yer right tho 1943716;1570641979;mp_en_viaje;because this is what the socialist golum does : at first it is taken aback by new open field, "who knows, this could be ANYTHING". but then it starts weighing, and soon enough discovers a 1-2% cut of the field which "satisfies" 80% or so of the usage 1943717;1570641985;mp_en_viaje;and when that happens, the field's fucked. permanently. 1943718;1570642004;asciilifeform;!o s good cakes are 1943719;1570642007;ossabot;[http://logs.ossasepia.com/log-search?q=good%20cakes%20are&chan=trilema][6 results for "good cakes are" in #trilema] 1943720;1570642032;mp_en_viaje;entrenching resistence to this only works if yo uwork it -- there's eg excellent cheese available today (but only in yurp -- and trump banned, also, as part and parcel of PRACTICAL governance, because the wal doesn't matter but the fact ustards have ~noyhing to offer in counterparty for the fine euro cheese DOES matter) 1943721;1570642063;mp_en_viaje;there exist good cheeses now because (mostly french) many anon farmers produced the structure to protect them. 1943722;1570642072;mp_en_viaje;this wasn't A LOT of work, nor that hard to do. but it HAD TO BE DONE. 1943723;1570642091;mp_en_viaje;there's not going to be eg computing, because "intelligent" bois of 0 value aren't any match for 1970s french farmers. 1943724;1570642107;mp_en_viaje;i'm not making this shit up because i hate you. it's pre-made, and waiting. 1943725;1570642122;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: ftr i wasn't under the impression that you were. 1943726;1570642149;mp_en_viaje;so no, i couldn't give less of a shit as things stand right now if ffa is "properly completed" or not ; nor if "more material" is made available as unqualified scribbles on trb code. 1943727;1570642157;mp_en_viaje;what i give a shit about is the things i keep yelling about. 1943728;1570642166;mp_en_viaje;again -- not because i hate you, but because things are what they are. 1943729;1570642248;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: orig. asciilifeform's counter to 'internet is disappearing' was 'let's make mp_en_viaje's gossipd'. but then, like idjit, went to try an' make isp purse from sow ear. 1943730;1570642264;mp_en_viaje;this is not correct summary. 1943731;1570642297;mp_en_viaje;correct summary was, "alf thought he came up with solution that avoids work ; mp pointed out to not do that ; alf tried to avoid work while doing thing closer to actual solution, and succeeded -- at avoiding work" 1943732;1570642314;asciilifeform;there's no way to avoid work. 1943733;1570642331;mp_en_viaje;no amount of "we finely carved this clump of gpg wood" will substitute for a single grain of "we did the outreach". 1943734;1570642346;asciilifeform;'дурная голова --c рукам работа' 1943735;1570642353;asciilifeform;* рукам работа 1943736;1570642389;BingoBoingo;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943654 << For all the 80's/90's Ruh Ruh USA!!! wank I grew on on... Things seem indistinguishable from a world where the soviets wom. 1943737;1570642389;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-09 14:28:55 mp_en_viaje: because this is what the socialist golum does : at first it is taken aback by new open field, "who knows, this could be ANYTHING". but then it starts weighing, and soon enough discovers a 1-2% cut of the field which "satisfies" 80% or so of the usage 1943738;1570642405;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: no amt of spring does anyffin w/out ratchet. or ratchet, w/out spring. 1943739;1570642413;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, well, because they did. socialist reinterpretation of capitalism is still socialist. 1943740;1570642424;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, sure, but atm we have plenty of springs. 1943741;1570642446;asciilifeform;atm yes. cuz asciilifeform , 'idiot, wasted time', dug the ore an' forged them springs. 1943742;1570642455;mp_en_viaje;no, that part is fine. 1943743;1570642473;mp_en_viaje;the not fine part is -- asciilifeform idiot, instead of loading sprins on truck, let truck leave empty, spent time digging more ore. 1943744;1570642508;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: 'spring' does need the keccak tho. then can actually rsapad. 1943745;1570642510;mp_en_viaje;i get it, you enjoy that part. nevertheless, you can't cook me a 2nd breakfast instead of serving me the first because you enjoy cooking more than serving. 1943746;1570642538;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: atm haven't even made for you the 1st breakfast tho. 1943747;1570642549;mp_en_viaje;let me be the judge of that. 1943748;1570642599;*;BingoBoingo has shared server backups loading up to trinquebox. About to prepare for hardware recovery mission. 1943749;1570642619;mp_en_viaje;isn't it fun, actually doing something rather than sitting twiddling thumbs worrying... 1943750;1570642679;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: It's a stress, but as I'm sure I mentioned before... a productive stress. Beats the hell out of persistent stagnant dread-stress. 1943751;1570642712;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: fwiw lotsa folx in june '41 said also this. 1943752;1570642827;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: In a world where no one is shooting at Google, this may just as well be a more desperate situation than June '41 with respect to shaping the future. 1943753;1570642879;BingoBoingo;The Chinese hadn't even gone through their backyard furnace experiment yet 1943754;1570642927;BingoBoingo;Today, Germany sits driving Europe despite 1939-1945 playing out as they did. 1943755;1570643176;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: germany got its 'win via separate-peace w/ usa' after all. just took half century, vs. himmler's desired 2weeks. 1943756;1570643232;BingoBoingo;Today for two years having passed since the 2017 state of necessity was declared... mp_en_viaje's evalution that for the time passing, the future of the internet seems darker... I can't dispute it. 1943757;1570643343;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: imho mp_en_viaje was in fact right in 2015, when wrote that working internet can only be built w/ constellation of machinery on old one, where if can connect to 1 noad, you get republican net, and the bits ~will~ go where they're addressed for so long as there's physically via what. 1943758;1570643380;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The thing is... The old one is being consumed. 1943759;1570643385;asciilifeform;it is. 1943760;1570643390;asciilifeform;aint much left of it, tbh. 1943761;1570643446;asciilifeform;i suspect that mp_en_viaje will yet have occasion to say 'thank you' to asciilifeform for having 'wasted time' discovering how to undetectably and reliably shortwave. 1943762;1570643513;asciilifeform;( which -- did. but that's story for another time ) 1943763;1570643613;asciilifeform;[insert here oblig thrd where mp: 'you think i actually NEED the net? well, i can just as readily rule via camel couriers!11' ] 1943764;1570643613;mp_en_viaje;just as soon as we get enough aluminum siding salesmen together to actually make something of it. 1943765;1570643692;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: you have entirely fair point, 'gun that no one aims an' pulls trigger on dun fight' 1943766;1570643707;mp_en_viaje;myeah. 1943767;1570643825;mp_en_viaje;meanwhile i have the serious problem that my girls, who didn't feel "the need" to produce any articles for week upon week UPON WEEK of pizarro working fine, now have major backlogs that can't get published 1943768;1570643851;mp_en_viaje;considering the beatings it took, them as apparently everyone else, human retardation is fucking insuperable, to start doing this at all, i can't imagine anything more fucking annoying. 1943769;1570643861;mp_en_viaje;wtf am i gonna do here ;/ 1943770;1570643866;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i was wundering where newton's royalsociety thing went.. 1943771;1570643918;mp_en_viaje;it's just... 1943772;1570644039;mp_en_viaje;either way whichever direction i turn, nothing but smooth wall of self-supporting "humans are imbeciles, born imbeciles, will stay imbeciles, fuck you mp". what should i do, ~temporary~ arrangement ? so the imbecile within can be "oh, so much trouble to keep moving this, let's not write" ? 1943773;1570644066;mp_en_viaje;or what the fuck exactly. god damn it i'm sick of the permanent precise well-oiled functioning of the idiocy machine. 1943774;1570644132;mp_en_viaje;or what, "hey, instead of sucking my toes & finding whores / palaces to hang out with, i'll pay for hotel rooms so you can sit and nerd out, find new hosts, install mp-wps, all that" ? 1943775;1570644158;mp_en_viaje;or maybe, "you know what, write offline, just don't publish". 1943776;1570644179;mp_en_viaje;so many excellent solutions delivering in the end nothing but an entrenchment of some kind of the exact thing i was trying to stamp out in the first place. 1943777;1570644198;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: for some reason i thought you had'em write into a queue always 1943778;1570644203;mp_en_viaje;nope. 1943779;1570644215;mp_en_viaje;on the exact contrary. 1943780;1570644221;*;asciilifeform 's father made him do it when was small . 1943781;1570644225;mp_en_viaje;and i had you & all also quit with the fucking queues. because they're stupid. 1943782;1570644317;asciilifeform;i'm still not 100% convinced that it was stupid. even if erryone is too weak. 1943783;1570644322;mp_en_viaje;is there some way the orig pizarro shared blog box can be mirrored ? 1943784;1570644387;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: there is ! i.e. get heathen machine, and unroll the backup to it. 1943785;1570644413;asciilifeform;alternatively colo hole and the actual uy1 to be placed there. ( but this latter, slower ) 1943786;1570644427;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: Every shared hosting customer's home directory and databases are being uploaded to trinque's deedbot box now as gpg encrypted tarballs. 1943787;1570644458;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i think he's asking re 'when the fuck can thewhet et al be standing again asap' 1943788;1570644473;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje already knows that we have backups. 1943789;1570644477;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, im thinking of just getting a machine 1943790;1570644508;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: it doesn't even need to be unusually heavy machine 1943791;1570644528;mp_en_viaje;yeah, and ima ask people to ad-hoc isp for me now. god damned it. 1943792;1570644530;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje Aite. I've not yet shredded the pre-GPG'd backups anticipating the possibility of such an ask. 1943793;1570644541;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, ty, hold on to them a little bit. 1943794;1570644555;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: Will do. 1943795;1570644577;mp_en_viaje;if anyone turns up a host they wanna try, getting this up for me together with a promise to cleanly move it if/when you move gets me to pay for your first 3 mo service. 1943796;1570644578;*;asciilifeform in talks with a bmore machine park, not expecting massive win. but possibly can house sumthing at sumthing resembling a human price. 1943797;1570644600;mp_en_viaje;ideally the next few days, also, dun want this in 2020. 1943798;1570644605;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: didja know there are 0 in washingtonistan ?! 1943799;1570644610;mp_en_viaje;yes. 1943800;1570644611;asciilifeform;such that take humans. 1943801;1570644620;*;asciilifeform did not know. 2y ago there still were.. 1943802;1570644629;mp_en_viaje;yeah well. hence the earlier talk of darkening. 1943803;1570644635;asciilifeform;verily it is so. 1943804;1570644686;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, what sort of weight are we talking here ? 1943805;1570644817;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: I will weight the hole orchestra, but one of the supermicroservers came in at just under 15kg on the scale. 1943806;1570644829;*;asciilifeform raging atm re the apparent depth of the bmore tards' retardation, but will elaborate later 1943807;1570644843;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, nono i mean re the shared server 1943808;1570644904;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: all tarballed up just under 14 GB, before tarballing ~35-ish 1943809;1570644980;mp_en_viaje;aite, wouldja mind as part of pizarro continuancy plan getting a shared server ~anywhere online, and bringing the piz shared back online ? 1943810;1570645010;mp_en_viaje;it really doesn't matter so much where as it matters getting this back online already, it's just too crippling every which way 1943811;1570645091;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: Aite, with all this stuff offline I've been feeling like an amputee too. 1943812;1570645094;*;asciilifeform got call w/ bmoreistan scheduled for 1.5h from nao, to haggle. 1943813;1570645124;mp_en_viaje;aite. 1943814;1570645166;*;asciilifeform also in favour of mp_en_viaje's 'rebuild uy1' idea , it is smart. 1943815;1570645243;asciilifeform;imho e.g. bmore is only good (IF at all usable) for physical boxen to live, where asciilifeform can pasture'em with own hands ; would have to be barking mad to ~lease~ a box there 1943816;1570645324;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: do you find it entirely unacceptable to use someone like the moldavian d00d , if someone volunteers to 'cutout' (i.e. pay him and pasture him, on command) ? 1943817;1570645498;mp_en_viaje;no ? i even said http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942301 1943818;1570645499;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 06:28:21 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1942040 << to be clear, i'm not against this or anything. it doesn't solve my problem, but that doesn't mean it can't solve anyone else's. 1943819;1570645529;asciilifeform;aite. cuz i suspect it's 'moldavia all the way down'. 1943820;1570645842;mp_en_viaje;all that orc's refusal to humanity does is put a human atop him in a saddle is all. 1943821;1570645873;mp_en_viaje;i imagine plenty of horses were in fact produced through the process of 6yo boy "you have to brush teeth, go to school, practice curves" "hell no i won't go" 1943822;1570645876;*;BingoBoingo would much prefer not to be in this species of saddle again 1943823;1570645886;mp_en_viaje;a boy that's no good might as well be made a horse. 1943824;1570645891;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i dun think there's any way to avoid riding'em 1943825;1570645899;asciilifeform;1 horse shot out from under human, gotta get another. 1943826;1570645945;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, the last time this preference against riding worked out was https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/93/Siege-alesia-vercingetorix-jules-cesar.jpg 1943827;1570645998;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: Aite 1943828;1570646091;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I do not want to end up in the saddle of another ad-hoc'd together Pizarro indefinitely dependent on a single orc or golem being ridden until they exhaust. 1943829;1570646129;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: we'll be ridin' them horsies. cuz aint got shortwave net yet. 1943830;1570646159;asciilifeform;and ideally yes, not glued to 1 horse again. 1943831;1570646164;asciilifeform;cuz that was -- mistake . 1943832;1570646191;asciilifeform;the correct way to do ~errything is the way how we did the logger. 1943833;1570646220;BingoBoingo;Except still more distributed and MARKETED\ 1943834;1570646264;mp_en_viaje;there;s a reason horses are saddled not stitched to rider's groin 1943835;1570646269;asciilifeform;marketed, or even 'uci'-d . 1943836;1570646417;BingoBoingo; there;s a reason horses are saddled not stitched to rider's groin << This is rather what Pizarro felt like. I have no intention of getting sewn to a working beast of burden again. I can try riding, but I'd rather not get SEWN because "you're already on the ground and we all got bored/spawned/bumbled etc." 1943837;1570646446;mp_en_viaje;i can see it. 1943838;1570646491;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: MARKETED because otherwise no matter how clean and sanitary, without marketing its jsut us derping in a small clean room about how clean it is while AmaGoogFlix eats all! 1943839;1570646536;BingoBoingo;Even a uci would need marketed 1943840;1570646575;BingoBoingo;If all we are is clean we're just compulsively grooming in a population sink experiment 1943841;1570646622;diana_coman;fwiw I don't mind it if anyone actually wants to ride maxim but note that their "uptake" of anything proved indeed 1mm deep; just yest I had to ask *again* for the same thing I had previously asked 1943842;1570646632;diana_coman;so need a serious whip too or on-repeat 1943843;1570646772;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, you got anyone shortlisted you wanna try ? 1943844;1570646826;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: so far sadly none that I want to try at all; and yes, I've been looking & talking to idiots precisely because I *need my blog* back online already 1943845;1570646846;mp_en_viaje;aha 1943846;1570646899;diana_coman;I've recovered and parked younghands still in Chisinau because I can't keep those guys in #o doing nothing, it's worse enough as it is 1943847;1570646916;diana_coman;but I won't put my blog there too, just no. 1943848;1570647027;*;BingoBoingo headed out the door finally with the wheels after very IRC/Log heavy start to the day 1943849;1570647035;diana_coman;the dc around here are just about as idiotic as last time I looked, at least via email; ie the only dim possibility might be if I get to visit at some point and somehow find some human in there but I'm not giving it many chances and so I can't spend current limited time on this. 1943850;1570647054;*;asciilifeform elbowed a key and mp_en_viaje's caesar ended up where the front sector camera running image normally is on asciilifeform's left-lower lcd. asciilifeform sees, and goes 'wtf' before realizes 1943851;1570647077;mp_en_viaje;"worse enough" is quite the coinage 1943852;1570647105;diana_coman;well, it's not just "bad enough", no. 1943853;1570647111;mp_en_viaje;evidently. 1943854;1570647198;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: are the people where you put your www at all usable ? or only worx when mp_en_viaje's in saddle ? (or not on table cuz 'eggs/basket' ? ) 1943855;1570647229;mp_en_viaje;yeah, that's the last thing we need, have a proper outage next time. 1943856;1570647235;asciilifeform;thought so. 1943857;1570647263;mp_en_viaje;so let's say a selection of all. 1943858;1570647286;*;asciilifeform thinks 1 'all the general staff in 1 trench' episode is enuff 1943859;1570647444;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: as side note, 'horse' prolly belongs in that glossary of yours. 1943860;1570647452;mp_en_viaje;heh 1943861;1570647691;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i can get [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-08-19#1929695][~horrible~] but working hosting in ~hour if you want . 1943862;1570647692;ericbot;Logged on 2019-08-19 16:36:37 asciilifeform: oook here's an experiment : asciilifeform set up a mirror of the logotron on a cheap heathen host. ( one of the most rubbish hosters known, lulazon's . hence cannot in fact stand up copy of bot there, fleanode bans conns from it unless sslized. but the db is current. ) 1943863;1570647709;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943366 << this is likely. so far outside of costa rica vienna (and to lesser but still palpable degree warsaw) were remarkable in the positive, but no kind of shangri la. they do have the advantage you don't have to be already rich to enjoy, tho. 1943864;1570647710;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-09 11:44:44 BingoBoingo: MP's informative tour writeups suggest all the world is mostly populated by tards of some sort. 1943865;1570647738;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, tomorrow if nothing yields by then, yes. 1943866;1570647742;asciilifeform;aite! 1943867;1570647786;mp_en_viaje;(in the sense can get job, not in the sense not need money) 1943868;1570648044;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943371 << this incidentally was re [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943279][discount offer]. 1943869;1570648045;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-09 11:49:43 mp_en_viaje: lobbes, i don't need it, nor want it, nor does it help anything. 1943870;1570648045;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-09 10:42:25 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943108 << I see your point. fwiw I'd be willing to give a chicken-finding discount once all is said and done 1943871;1570648045;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-09 10:23:54 mp_en_viaje: "sure, most people specializing in serving breakfast for a fee can produce omlets in about ten minutes. but they start with a ready kitchen, which already contains eg eggs" 1943872;1570648303;mp_en_viaje;obv if i wanted to pay less i'd have made the award less. i don't, not because "it's what it's worth" (which very eminently isn't, true market value of the item's prolly in the $70-$150 range, depending where you buy it) but because tryina prime the pump, so people can go "hey, we made something out of crumpled wad!", why not. 1943873;1570648404;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943405 << wd. 1943874;1570648404;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-09 12:08:15 diana_coman: younghands.club is back online at its new IP 185.163.47.240 restored from existing backups, apparently without data-loss. 1943875;1570648908;mp_en_viaje;o look, caught up with log. 1943876;1570648914;mp_en_viaje;feats of strength&fortitude 1943877;1570648945;mp_en_viaje;only 20k words today in 800 lines, what, a novel/day 1943878;1570649065;*;asciilifeform orc bazar in 5m 1943879;1570650682;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje, BingoBoingo , et al : bmore orcs actually pretty cheap , comparatively . promised written quote later today. 1943880;1570650769;asciilifeform;for physical slots, that is, cheap. bw -- less cheap. they want 50 $ (usa) per 10Mb-sustained. ( and in fact boxen get plugged into a Gb/s port , and expected to ration selves , erry 10Mb/s/mo costs 50 , if somehow eat 100Mb/s/mo or equiv. weight, costs 500 ! ) 1943881;1570650794;asciilifeform;holes sold by 2u; each 2u comes w/ 320watt (at 220v) 1943882;1570650832;asciilifeform;racks are kolhoz, if one buys less than whole rack, a d00d with a camera stands there while you fiddle in it. 1943883;1570650872;asciilifeform;2u hole costs per se 100 / mo (just mains current an' physical space) , net pipe is on top of this. 1943884;1570650911;asciilifeform;ergo, minimal cost to house a single machine running at sustained 10Mb/s (very thin imho) is 150 $ us / mo ( + orctax ) . 1943885;1570650920;asciilifeform;to open acct costs 125 . 1943886;1570650953;asciilifeform;thing is in 1 of those concertina wire forts in bmore. 'expedient' corp. (never 1nce heard of it, but apparently nao monopoly in this fuckhole.) 1943887;1570651033;asciilifeform;finally, there is no contract, it's a monthly thing. 1943888;1570651050;*;BingoBoingo back with the 4 1 servers. Oscar ended up walking me out and asking if I'd checked that the IPs were opened back up again some time today.... to the powered down diskless rack. No notice had been provided that the IPs were restored. Told him I'd return and check from the one of the microservers. Will try to do so when I return to fill bags again. 1943889;1570651076;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, honestly this sounds like a pretty decent deal. 1943890;1570651081;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: wd. ( yer gonna have to break the news to'em at some pt tho ) 1943891;1570651091;mp_en_viaje;ration selves is the ~only other commercial version you'll find besides "oh ddos" latech style 1943892;1570651093;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: it's 'bout 3x less than i expected it'd cost 1943893;1570651101;mp_en_viaje;5k/gb seems very reasonable. 1943894;1570651102;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: appears to be. 1943895;1570651110;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The news seems pretty broke already. 1943896;1570651116;asciilifeform;also asciilifeform'd get ip via arin. 1943897;1570651122;mp_en_viaje;also nice. 1943898;1570651129;mp_en_viaje;so what do you dislike about it ? 1943899;1570651130;asciilifeform;0 charge 'per ip', could house e.g. rk orchestra. 1943900;1570651149;mp_en_viaje;get a coupla c blocks to start with, distinct, and "raid" them. 1943901;1570651151;mp_en_viaje;or more if possibru 1943902;1570651152;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: dunno, i'm simply still not recovered from allergic choke from last go. 1943903;1570651157;diana_coman;fwiw I just made my stock email telling them what I want and now sending it around with way less filtering (because there isn't much to filter); I expect there'll be some emails waiting for me tomorrow but dunno if anything positive. 1943904;1570651160;asciilifeform;but seriously considering bmoreistan. 1943905;1570651189;mp_en_viaje;do they have half or mini racks ? 1943906;1570651190;asciilifeform;a:'how long would take for arin bureaucracy' bmore:'~week' 1943907;1570651200;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: sold by 2u increment, hundy per. 1943908;1570651210;asciilifeform;but full cage goes for 750. 1943909;1570651212;mp_en_viaje;yes but to get whole cabinet. only full us ? 1943910;1570651223;mp_en_viaje;so get a cage, ideal, can lock it. 1943911;1570651241;asciilifeform;fella said it's expandable in get 24 u and a up to gb for 5k/mo, put allthe iron you have in there and there you go. 1943979;1570652215;mp_en_viaje;< 1943980;1570652226;asciilifeform;where is asciilifeform to get 5+k/mo ? 1943981;1570652233;mp_en_viaje;a coin's worth two of those. 1943982;1570652247;asciilifeform;missed http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943904 ? 1943983;1570652247;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-09 20:14:01 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i dun know how to turn btc into us-cc. 1943984;1570652259;mp_en_viaje;look, paying 5k for gbps is not substantial. much like paying 1mn for 300 working mercedeses not substantial. 1943985;1570652267;asciilifeform;no i get it, it's ~market rate. 1943986;1570652271;mp_en_viaje;so figure it out, make yourself useful. 1943987;1570652272;asciilifeform;it aint a bad price. 1943988;1570652280;mp_en_viaje;lobbes, can you help this fellow out of paper bag ? 1943989;1570652295;mp_en_viaje;or whoever lives thereabouts and not yet beheaded ? afaik lobbes last head left attached. 1943990;1570652320;asciilifeform;if lobbes knows how to do this, i'ma take off hat and do it w/ lobbes . 1943991;1570652345;mp_en_viaje;and make a fucking inventory already, "alf's list of the most-likelky-to-be-worth-racking 24 u items currently in his warehouse" 1943992;1570652360;mp_en_viaje;actually make it ~36 or so u long, so there's some choice. 1943993;1570652367;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: the only rackable i have in stock here is the rktron. 1943994;1570652375;mp_en_viaje;... 1943995;1570652385;mp_en_viaje;really ? 1943996;1570652399;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: lol unless you want some 486 racked.. 1943997;1570652419;mp_en_viaje;so you don't actually have electronics besides vintage/garbage about ? 1943998;1570652432;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: in your conception of 'electronics' -- apparently not 1943999;1570652440;asciilifeform;what , did mp_en_viaje think asciilifeform was sitting on top of a dc ?! 1944000;1570652444;mp_en_viaje;"my conception" ie, rackworthy ? 1944001;1570652484;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: it'd depend what's rackworthy ! but in asciilifeform's eyes, not errything with a cpu in it is 'rackworthy' 1944002;1570652501;asciilifeform;just like not erry tub in kitchen is 'seaworthy' 1944003;1570652504;mp_en_viaje;yes, honestly, i had formed the impression that after years of perusing the penny-to-dollar electronic surplus stores you amassed a large collection of perfectly serviceable parts, that could in a pinch produce a cabinets worth of servers. i did. 1944004;1570652522;mp_en_viaje;and that this pile, inter alia, is why you're stil lthe fuck there in the first place. 1944005;1570652525;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: 'unsexies' e.g. oscilloscopes, do 0 for racks 1944006;1570652555;mp_en_viaje;so you're more of an electrician than a computer scientist, the bulk of your garbage trove is in fact unrelated to computing as such 1944007;1570652569;mp_en_viaje;you have textile looms and period exhaust pipes from the carbureted days of yore. 1944008;1570652590;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: depends, do items like [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1887][this] -- 'electrician' or komoyooting ? 1944009;1570652597;mp_en_viaje;an earlier inventory could've saved me the internal misrepresentation. 1944010;1570652613;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: you think i'd sit on a rack's worth of comp and not say ? 1944011;1570652614;mp_en_viaje;aite, so if you're not in the business of being in business, you're not, what can i tell you. 1944012;1570652620;mp_en_viaje;this'd have been excellent op to recapitalize. 1944013;1570652671;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i dun have a surgical theatre either. nor milking machines. i was never attempting to fill a dc, until piz. 1944014;1570652706;mp_en_viaje;i thought you jsut bought shit because it was cheap / you liked it, in lieu of saving or w/e. nfi what the fuck you're doing, i confess the more i talk to you, the less i understand. 1944015;1570652724;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i have a www. since '07. was even under impression that mp_en_viaje occasionally read it. 1944016;1570652729;mp_en_viaje;sure. 1944017;1570652737;asciilifeform;what is pictured there ? 'my dragon hoard of dc-waiting-for-rack' ? 1944018;1570652744;mp_en_viaje;in so many words, yes. 1944019;1570652752;*;asciilifeform boggled. 1944020;1570652758;mp_en_viaje;what can i tell you. 1944021;1570652807;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: worse, all of this aint even the hard part, in usa can get any kinda rackables for ~lunchmoney 1944022;1570652813;mp_en_viaje;anyway, the proposition of buing new, off eggazon w/e, to fill a rack significantly less appealing. 1944023;1570652823;mp_en_viaje;here he goes again. 1944024;1570652824;asciilifeform;i never bought'em new. 1944025;1570652834;mp_en_viaje;i suspect the problem is your constant confusion between "could" and "did" 1944026;1570652843;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, you just said you never bought AT ALL. 1944027;1570652850;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: bought the piz inhabitants, neh. 1944028;1570652856;mp_en_viaje;okay... 1944029;1570652861;asciilifeform;(didn't pull'em from arse, no) 1944030;1570652873;mp_en_viaje;i also thought you pulled those from warehouse, myself. 1944031;1570652887;mp_en_viaje;not 100%, but a majority. 1944032;1570652888;asciilifeform;srsly?! 1944033;1570652890;mp_en_viaje;yes. 1944034;1570652907;asciilifeform;mno, was discussed in painfully pedantic detail, compl. w/ links to the people from whom bought. 1944035;1570652915;asciilifeform;were 1-1.5k ea. 1944036;1570652932;asciilifeform;(1.5 incl diskage, disks bought new cuz wtf, used toothbrushes) 1944037;1570652945;mp_en_viaje;so let me get this straight. you do not in fact own 100k worth of rackable motherboards + cpu assemblages ; but you do all the while own ~20k worth of legacy symbolics hardware. 1944038;1570652976;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: 5 of bolix (not partic. relevant, does someone want ~that~ racked?!) 1944039;1570652984;mp_en_viaje;can i get yes/no ? 1944040;1570653004;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i dun own 100k of anyffin, dun think. 1944041;1570653008;asciilifeform;not even organs. 1944042;1570653011;mp_en_viaje;... 1944043;1570653016;mp_en_viaje;so let me get this straight. you do not in fact own 100k worth of rackable motherboards + cpu assemblages ; but you do all the while own ~20k worth of legacy symbolics hardware. 1944044;1570653035;asciilifeform;1) defo nope 2) 1 single bolix. 1944045;1570653058;mp_en_viaje;i thought you had multiple chips + boards + other junk related. 1944046;1570653122;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: 16 ( 17, incl desk test bed ) rk. + a room fulla laboratory gear, such as is kept by fella who never even in nightmare pictured to run a dc. 1944047;1570653130;mp_en_viaje;dude nevermind. 1944048;1570653151;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i aint got a comp warehouse ! and moreover have nfi why mp_en_viaje thought -- did. 1944049;1570653168;mp_en_viaje;do you or do you not currently posses and are the owner of a number of cpus made by defunct symbolics co ; a number of pcbs made by defunct symbolics co ; a number of other just as useless paraphenalia made by just as defunct same co 1944050;1570653169;asciilifeform;i dun warehouse wheels of cheese either 1944051;1570653201;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: handful of said cpu + 1 working machine is all i got re these. 1944052;1570653216;mp_en_viaje;and the market value of this handful of cpus + working mchine comes to ? 1944053;1570653241;asciilifeform;what's useless , and what aint, depends from who pov. for building a piz-style dc -- 100% useless. and btw asciilifeform already, i thought, killed 1 dc, why would mp_en_viaje even consider to put'im in another. 1944054;1570653269;mp_en_viaje;yes, yes. but the dollar value of said arguably useless or not useless pile of old junk you can't currently use would be... 1944055;1570653272;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i'd say nomoar than 5k will be paid for it at the auction when im hanged. 1944056;1570653288;mp_en_viaje;nevermind that. if you put it on amazon today you'd BIY for... 1944057;1570653295;asciilifeform;5. 1944058;1570653297;mp_en_viaje;5k ? 1944059;1570653301;asciilifeform;aha 1944060;1570653310;mp_en_viaje;multiple symbolics cpus, i thought those went for 2-3k ea. 1944061;1570653321;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: you already said 5x 'useless', can say 6 if you like, but i get 1944062;1570653328;mp_en_viaje;whole bolix, i thought that's more like 7k+ these days. 1944063;1570653390;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: whole bolix cost me 5. cpu was briefly sold for 450/ea, nao absent entirely from market. 1944064;1570653394;mp_en_viaje;whatevers. my question will stand as "so you do not in fact own 100k worth of rackable severs, but you do own 20k worth of unrackable memorabilia, which you inexplicably misvalue at 5k for some reason that's obviously this conversation and the outcomes yu want to see from it". 1944065;1570653431;mp_en_viaje;whatever. all this begs the question "how the fuck did you get your inventory manager to approve this insanity of outlay". with the self-obvious answer that "i am said manager myself, and i am known for my managerial acumen" 1944066;1570653446;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: why it is even interesting to ask about what unrackables asciilifeform owns ? my toyota also aint rackable. 1944067;1570653469;asciilifeform;equally 'useless'. 1944068;1570653478;mp_en_viaje;anwyays. people judge likeliness by some sort of grille. mine comes pre-populated with sanity promoting assumptions that are build through interacting with business not with collectors. consequently, all sort of conclusions can be derived that evidently do not bear out in practice. 1944069;1570653520;mp_en_viaje;but no small part of why i thought you had so and so is because you have others thus and following. i expect the man with 100k worth of car to have 1k worth of gas, i expect the man with egitheen slavegirls to have 20+ rooms, that sorta thing 1944070;1570653530;asciilifeform;how about man with 1k of car ? 1944071;1570653544;mp_en_viaje;i dunno, 20 bucks of gas and an outstanding speeding fine. 1944072;1570653564;asciilifeform;i think i figured it out, mp_en_viaje still thinks asciilifeform is seekritly loaded and simply intransigent 1944073;1570653583;mp_en_viaje;100k of gear in your life-dedication field is very far from loaded. 1944074;1570653604;mp_en_viaje;i'd also expect 30yo boat-lifer to own ~100k worth of boat. and 30yo golf pro to own ~100k worth of golf gear. 1944075;1570653606;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform might be intransigent, but aint a liar. i dun got 100k of any. 1944076;1570653634;mp_en_viaje;and 30yo concert musician to own, if not necessarily 100k worth of violin, then definitely 100k worth of violin if HE PLAYS THE VIOLIN, and twice so if he has a collection of antique panflutes. 1944077;1570653643;asciilifeform;why would even pile up dc-style boxes in fucking hovel?! what good they do there ?! 1944078;1570653653;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, i believe. now you believe me when i say your household is grossly mismanaged. 1944079;1570653668;asciilifeform;if mp_en_viaje says -- then perhaps is, who am i to say. 1944080;1570653678;asciilifeform;perhaps if were well-managed, would consist of tractors an' rabbits 1944081;1570653684;mp_en_viaje;capital is to be deployed certain ways, not fucking randomly, neh ? 1944082;1570653704;asciilifeform;'i dun understand this fucking martian' != 'random' 1944083;1570653780;mp_en_viaje;hm. 1944084;1570653820;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje et al : http://www.loper-os.org/pub/baltimoristan.jpg for anyone who cares . 1944085;1570653839;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, it is not interesting to me because well... 1944086;1570653843;asciilifeform;right. 1944087;1570653852;mp_en_viaje;i am interested in something like that next to someone who makes sense, though. 1944088;1570653882;asciilifeform;luckily mp_en_viaje has battalion of people-who-make-sense next to reasonably-priced-dc then.. 1944089;1570653895;mp_en_viaje;i dunno, maybe something comes up. 1944090;1570653922;mp_en_viaje;anyways, ima be off. laters all! 1944091;1570653927;asciilifeform;nighty mp_en_viaje 1944092;1570653956;asciilifeform;a+++ mp_en_viaje karateka today btw. 1944093;1570653957;asciilifeform;enjoyed. 1944094;1570654146;diana_coman;in unexpected idiotic failures, monovm's automated system replies to my email to inform me that they won't look at it because I'm not registered with them. 1944095;1570654166;asciilifeform;diana_coman: apparently even bmore loox good compared to some of'em 1944096;1570654184;asciilifeform;diana_coman: took me all of 20m of phone to get the troof outta'em 1944097;1570654186;BingoBoingo;http://archive.is/3nQJt << Argentina is fatwah'd and even more isolated than Uruguay from an internet perspective, but here's what they offer for 2U 10mbps burstable symmetric (LACNIC so IP address poor). If Gbps can reasonable be had in Baltimore... 1944098;1570654192;diana_coman;asciilifeform: as I was saying, now I don't bother to filter them anymore; they will filter themselves, as above. 1944099;1570654202;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i think mp_en_viaje will sooner eat glass than go argentine 1944100;1570654230;diana_coman;BingoBoingo: fwiw I even emailed some brazilians, will see if/what they reply. 1944101;1570654233;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i aint about to question your methods. 1944102;1570654240;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Right. It's just if you set the bar low... You get Argentines outbidding themselves to be lowest 1944103;1570654244;asciilifeform;diana_coman: 'email errybody' is Right Thing 1944104;1570654255;diana_coman;asciilifeform: better email them too or something, there are so many, it's not like I can cover all anyway 1944105;1570654262;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo:wouldja argentina even for 1cent ? 1944106;1570654266;asciilifeform;consider what you'd get. 1944107;1570654280;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: No. I would not Argentina. 1944108;1570654298;asciilifeform;see, 'i would not, could not, in the zoo...' 1944109;1570654401;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It may be worth working with lobbes/trinque to see if a BTC/Dubloo circuit in the zone can be established. The one thing the US has is cables everywhere. Argentina hangs off of the "Tannat" cable still further from Fortaleza than Uruguay 1944110;1570654436;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: if mp_en_viaje were interested, would. but he thinks asciilifeform is lunatic. so what'd be the use. 1944111;1570654474;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: apparently he also thought that i kept 15 spare piz's under my bed. 1944112;1570654514;*;asciilifeform swears on mpkoranbbq that he doesn't 1944113;1570654615;asciilifeform;diana_coman: so far emailing the places can physically reach. returned 1 output. but if you're overwhelmed, pgp piece of victim list and what-do-demand and i'ma help. 1944114;1570654620;BingoBoingo;Well, how much does a dulap spec machine run for on the market atm, and are there any indications as to how deep the market is. You did say earlier that they are getting rarer 1944115;1570654643;asciilifeform;imho there aint much point in putting inside usa if not asciilifeform , lobbes , trinque , can physically reach, usa is overpriced 1944116;1570654665;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: ~1k. but limited availability ('depth') in market. 1944117;1570654680;asciilifeform;see mp_en_viaje's point about the whore angela. 1944118;1570654756;diana_coman;asciilifeform: atm I don't think it matters where if they do as told and come register and invoice with deedbot etc. 1944119;1570654764;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: if yer ~leasing~ a box, will get what the people have, not what you want. even in that ukr thing diana_coman found that supposedly opterons. they'll be with ipmi etc. this is inevitable. 1944120;1570654801;asciilifeform;diana_coman: this promises to be uphill battle. i at least did not demand 'oh hey , only dc in 400km radius, will ya register w/deedbot ?' 1944121;1570654807;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: Maxihost was pretty retarded with their formalism last time I searched in depth. Maybe someone else in Brasil is more responsive? 1944122;1570654810;diana_coman;asciilifeform: you know, there were at least *some* in the whole list saying kvm; and I'm pretty sure I don't have a full list anyway. 1944123;1570654822;asciilifeform;diana_coman: that's pretty good (rare) . 1944124;1570654844;diana_coman;asciilifeform: I *am* asking them precisely that and nothing less. 1944125;1570654869;asciilifeform;diana_coman: my approach was to find a ~reasonable~ dc to which can get with own hands. and to fall on the grenade of paying it from pocket. but i can see wai mp_en_viaje barfed. 1944126;1570654876;diana_coman;if it's not that, I can go anywhere for same thing,not worth all the time. 1944127;1570654889;asciilifeform;right 1944128;1570654976;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i assume you read the discussion re [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943754]['horse'] ? 1944129;1570654976;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-09 18:23:58 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: do you find it entirely unacceptable to use someone like the moldavian d00d , if someone volunteers to 'cutout' (i.e. pay him and pasture him, on command) ? 1944130;1570655014;diana_coman;asciilifeform: even replied to it http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943779 1944131;1570655014;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-09 15:46:17 diana_coman: fwiw I don't mind it if anyone actually wants to ride maxim but note that their "uptake" of anything proved indeed 1mm deep; just yest I had to ask *again* for the same thing I had previously asked 1944132;1570655020;asciilifeform;ah yes. 1944133;1570655053;asciilifeform;apologies , diana_coman , looong day. 1944134;1570655060;diana_coman;they are quick and they will do as told just as long as it doesn't take it out of the pen, that's about it. 1944135;1570655073;diana_coman;no worries, I'm not exactly fresh myself either 1944136;1570655158;asciilifeform;diana_coman: if you need a 2nd pair of hands, i'ma follow your instruction to look for 'human'. but atm strongly suspect that we will have to ride horses. 1944137;1570655180;asciilifeform;and to get good at riding. 1944138;1570655195;diana_coman;asciilifeform: go ahead and ride it, really; do it well and it's worth it, what. 1944139;1570655219;asciilifeform;diana_coman: apparently i'm too stupid to ride properly. 1944140;1570655229;asciilifeform;was gonna get a 2u. 1944141;1570655240;asciilifeform;(or could even 4) 1944142;1570655252;diana_coman;asciilifeform: so get them already. 1944143;1570655260;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje said 'no pasaran' 1944144;1570655314;BingoBoingo;Well, you can't expect real time answers with IRC. See what the other folks in the zone say when they wake up as far as BTC conversion. 1944145;1570655334;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: if e.g. trinque wants in, perhaps mp_en_viaje will consider. 1944146;1570655347;asciilifeform;iirc trinque hungers day an' night for coin to buy. 1944147;1570655374;asciilifeform;then we can get cabinet and a thick pipe etc. 1944148;1570655375;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Or lobbes since lobbes does seem to be documenting his housecleaning efforts well. 1944149;1570655379;asciilifeform;( or even trinque in trinqueistan ) 1944150;1570655387;asciilifeform;or lobbes. 1944151;1570655418;diana_coman;asciilifeform: converting btc is anyway useful, I'd say; dc or no dc, I really don't see why *not* do it. 1944152;1570655434;bvt;asciilifeform: you can get 2u for yourself - you'd still run logger somewhere, no? 1944153;1570655444;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the thought of filling a 42u in usa still makes me queasy. 1 day i'ma show up there and it'll be empty, 'oops' 1944154;1570655489;asciilifeform;bvt: it's overkill 'for self', i aint mp, not loaded. 1944155;1570655521;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i dun dispute that it's useful. but i do not know how to do it reliably. 1944156;1570655536;asciilifeform;and e.g. racks, gotta be paid on time erry single time. 1944157;1570655589;asciilifeform;potentially it could be done the way BingoBoingo did it. but the metered bw thing makes me ill, it's an open-ended liability 1944158;1570655716;asciilifeform;and incidentally when they empty that 42u, i'ma have even less recourse than BingoBoingo against latech. i can't afford even hour of usa attourney i suspect . (not that it'd do much good) 1944159;1570655789;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: At some point the queasyness has to be balanced against the opportunity to gain some leverage. 1944160;1570655832;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje sometimes seems to think that asciilifeform is a 1/32th scale model of himself. but no, asciilifeform is a pauper, and not even grade-a pauper . 1944161;1570655874;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i'll fall on whatever grenade , but only makes sense to do if it does some good. 1944162;1570655881;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: my the lack of recourse against latecho is dwarfed by latecho and "dedicado"'s lack of recourse against centurylink. 1944163;1570655997;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: does idea of errybody in 1 cage again seem smart to you ? 1944164;1570656000;asciilifeform;cuz to asciilifeform , does not. 1944165;1570656019;asciilifeform;not even mattering where is this cage. 1944166;1570656063;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It doesn't. But we are going through a forced diversification movement anyways. 1944167;1570656154;asciilifeform;indeed we are. 1944168;1570656178;asciilifeform;the 1 good imho that could even come outta it, is to make deadly sure we dun ever end up all in 1 dead cage again. 1944169;1570656205;asciilifeform;speaking of 'expensive lessons'. 1944170;1570656311;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: my notion was to get a coupla holes and serve as 'horse rider' to 2-3 people. at same time topping off slowly own meagre coin sack, at the rate permitted by asciilifeform's pauperty. 1944171;1570656376;asciilifeform;this naturally does ~not~ give same 'bang for buck' as 'whole cage, motherfucker!' and mp_en_viaje -- barfs predictably. tho i was under impression that diana_coman also shopping for less than whole cage. 1944172;1570656390;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: This is admirable, but even with them rating the ports as "burtable"... I suspect mp's inclination to get a full Gb pipe up front is how to keep the same sort of network farting from trashing the operation. 1944173;1570656403;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: bmore actually gives Gb pipe. 1944174;1570656407;asciilifeform;simply charges for mass. 1944175;1570656423;asciilifeform;you can run it all day at Gb if you like, simply will pop when the bill comes. 1944176;1570656448;asciilifeform;they offload ddos filtration on the tenant. 1944177;1570656453;asciilifeform;you get arin ip's etc. 1944178;1570656468;asciilifeform;essentially same thing as 'if BingoBoingo on antel' 1944179;1570656488;asciilifeform;mains current, oddly, not metered. 1944180;1570656502;asciilifeform;( simply 1.2amp fuse per 2u holes ) 1944181;1570656563;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i spoke with their fuhrer. (monkey was unable to answer all) , fella explained that 'customer must throttle himself, we just bill' 1944182;1570656631;BingoBoingo;!Qlater tell trinque Backups have finished uploading to the deedbot server. 1944183;1570656632;lobbesbot;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded. 1944184;1570656666;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: at any rate quote is valid for 2wks, if mp_en_viaje parachutes in 'someone who aint a tard' asciilifeform will get cage etc. when given marching order. 1944185;1570656734;asciilifeform;then can come back to subj. 1944186;1570656779;asciilifeform;i'ma get a 2nd quote for 'all cage' in case. 1944187;1570656888;asciilifeform;( quotes dun cost anyffin but wear on asciilifeform's kbd ) 1944188;1570656945;*;asciilifeform bbl, meat. 1944189;1570657208;BingoBoingo;Anyways from an architecture point of view one big weakness of LACNIC countries (and Asia it seems as well) is IP poverty. For all the disadvantages of North America, it has IP space to spare. 1944190;1570657831;*;BingoBoingo brb, supply run to keep the biologics going 1944191;1570657906;diana_coman;ftr, if no human can be found, I'll lease a server in turkey and be done with it. 1944192;1570658116;diana_coman;done for today, will see what emails await me tomorrow. 1944193;1570660024;*;lobbes back from mines; resumes eating log 1944194;1570660959;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1944081 << i said, "so why are you discussing it here". go, get, do, wth. 1944195;1570660959;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-09 18:10:16 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje said 'no pasaran' 1944196;1570660983;mp_en_viaje;i can't imagine you need my approval or for that matter oppinion for getting yourself a box. go, get, what. 1944197;1570661005;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1944082 << there 1944198;1570661005;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-09 18:11:10 BingoBoingo: Well, you can't expect real time answers with IRC. See what the other folks in the zone say when they wake up as far as BTC conversion. 1944199;1570661035;mp_en_viaje;s nothing to fucking consider, man. if i have to buy the hardware, proximity to you is an anti-issue, you can't do x, can't do y, you're anti-useful. 1944200;1570661065;mp_en_viaje;if i have to buy the hardware i'll simply lease whatever random dorks have ready and be done with it. 1944201;1570661171;mp_en_viaje;what exactly did you imagine you'd be bringing to the table, anyway ? some manner to make any possible deal as complicatedly untenable as it could conceivably get ? 1944202;1570661494;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1944122 << nah, if/when someone sane is found, can just get this next to them instead, easier. 1944203;1570661494;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-09 18:33:42 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: at any rate quote is valid for 2wks, if mp_en_viaje parachutes in 'someone who aint a tard' asciilifeform will get cage etc. when given marching order. 1944204;1570661930;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943810 << I think I get this now, and it fits with the theme of today's logs of the republic *taking ownership of a space* before the orcs do their thing. In this instance, it is the blogification of irc, and if it takes until 2020 than we've already lost the plot of the job in the first place 1944205;1570661931;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-09 19:13:37 mp_en_viaje: obv if i wanted to pay less i'd have made the award less. i don't, not because "it's what it's worth" (which very eminently isn't, true market value of the item's prolly in the $70-$150 range, depending where you buy it) but because tryina prime the pump, so people can go "hey, we made something out of crumpled wad!", why not. 1944206;1570661934;lobbes;So I agree now that 2020 delivery is, in fact, utterly insane. Fire has been lit under arse; I will kick this into higher gear 1944207;1570662010;mp_en_viaje;well it'll be key infrastructure in any case, if it eventually permits irc-isation of "login" web idiocy. 1944208;1570662217;lobbes;interesting, so like, instead of posting via a web login, just submit a post via bot? 1944209;1570662272;mp_en_viaje;no, instead of interfacing with whatever idiotic pantsuit outfit via their website, you just do it through their bot they don't even have enough sense to have written themselves. 1944210;1570662413;lobbes;aha, I see. Has applications way beyond blogging alone 1944211;1570662588;mp_en_viaje;nothing keeps you from having a simple !f nc f <25 bot for public usage except for your not having thought about it and me talking in a vacuum on trilema and in general. but the [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2018-03-07#1787186]["system"] was long ago raped wide open, all it needs is proper interfacing 1944212;1570662589;ossabot;Logged on 2018-03-07 19:20:48 mircea_popescu: sooo... big deal, 1 sent girl to buy a bagful of phone numbers. they cost, no joke, $2.5 here. EXCEPT, of course, they want your "cedula", you know, "por activacion". 1944213;1570662606;mp_en_viaje;which obviously will happen when i breadcrumb, 5+years after, whatever. what can i do. 1944214;1570662661;mp_en_viaje;but ultimately, the bot's supposed to count for a small to medium sized corp all by itself, do the job of 500 or so of the useless fuckheads calling themselves "employees" in pantsuitistan 1944215;1570662748;mp_en_viaje;think about it, if clucker can "make website account", why exactly can't lobbesbot ? outside of "because lobbes hasn't written that part yet" 1944216;1570662800;lobbes;this makes a lot of sense 1944217;1570662804;mp_en_viaje;all the needful things that were supposed to have well been done by hand by now so we know how to code them by the sort of self-sufficient cocksuckers who won't do things for love or money still need to be done, and then once done automated, and so following. 1944218;1570662896;mp_en_viaje;sure, at the rate we're so far going we'll have nothing never, but i'm not married to the crew, i'm married to performance. 1944219;1570662943;lobbes;well, then I need to make sure I'm on the performance end of the stick 1944220;1570663014;mp_en_viaje;regardless, http://trilema.com/2014/spamming-reddit-an-experiment/ still stands : by the time we're done, empire won't be able to distinguish its meatsacks from bots. end of story, let it send lobbesbot get-out-[http://trilema.com/2016/give-computers-the-vote-theyre-cheaper-than-women-even/][the-vote] cards. 1944221;1570663021;mp_en_viaje;each 5mn "profiles" of it. 1944222;1570663135;*;BingoBoingo returned from overdue grocery run. Peaked at headlines and feels incredibly handicapped with current Turkey/US/NATO/Trump lolz happening and Qntra dark. Going to the basement to check pipe. Sky and forecast are hinting rain so any extraction further extraction tonight is going to be limited to rails and cables/whatever fits under raincover 1944223;1570663222;BingoBoingo;Peeked, though headlines seem to be peaking. Trump ordered US to stop human shielding Kurds, informing minimum of personel in doing so before announcement. Now Turkey is doing their long desired Syria ops freely. 1944224;1570663265;mp_en_viaje;the "global superpower" days well over. 1944225;1570663334;BingoBoingo;Predictably the usual congress critters are calling for Turkey's NATO expulsion despite NATO fiatpapers not having any provisions for expulsion 1944226;1570663401;mp_en_viaje;lol, if they expel turkey they disintegrate, it can just about counter them alone. 1944227;1570663460;mp_en_viaje;turkey evidently doesn't want to outright quit but wouldn't mind being expelled, then it can pretty much sell europe to the russians like a common whore, by the night or by the hour, by the hole or by the pair. 1944228;1570663510;BingoBoingo;Right. I wouldn't be surprised if Turkey/Russia end up sharing Europe. 1944229;1570663528;mp_en_viaje;will force germany to rearm. 1944230;1570663551;mp_en_viaje;should be lulzy to see the anglo-franco-italian lulzchorus once that happens, as they couldn't possibly. 1944231;1570663583;BingoBoingo;But rearm who? The German folk from your description seem to require some rapid hardening. 1944232;1570663625;BingoBoingo;!q asciilifeform Were you going to pick up an "anyserver" to get the blogs back online or should I do it when I get back from basement mission? 1944233;1570663665;mp_en_viaje;well... i guess we see. 1944234;1570663708;BingoBoingo;Anyways, Muscovite/Ottman Europe may or may not be the anti-Mandarin language retardation counter the world needs. 1944235;1570663776;mp_en_viaje;who knows 1944236;1570664367;mp_en_viaje;in other keks : https://cand.pglaf.org/germany/index.html 1944237;1570664378;mp_en_viaje;apparently this only works half the time, didn't see it before. 1944238;1570664709;BingoBoingo;lolAlemania 1944239;1570664731;BingoBoingo;Back massaged, brb from the rack when I get there if IPs were indeed released 1944240;1570664756;mp_en_viaje;http://www.gutenberg.org/files/44877/44877-h/44877-h.htm << meanwhile linking actually works fine 1944241;1570664759;mp_en_viaje;such lulz 1944242;1570664918;asciilifeform;grr apparently asciilifeform is sclerotic , because : 1944243;1570664929;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i missed a crate when inventoried x86 boxen. 1944244;1570664963;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: contains, fwiw, a 'xeon' (intelism) 2x cpu. 2 5in. bays, some form of raid (will have to boot up if interested.) 1944245;1570664964;asciilifeform;1u. 1944246;1570664998;mp_en_viaje;lol, as common of paupers, to mislay their absent wealth by the crateful. 1944247;1570665024;asciilifeform;so, [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943931][this] was lie, and i apologize. 1944248;1570665024;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-09 20:21:21 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: the only rackable i have in stock here is the rktron. 1944249;1570665039;asciilifeform;nao, does anyone want such a thing racked ! 1944250;1570665049;mp_en_viaje;s'okay, i take the main thrust of the thing. 1944251;1570665078;*;asciilifeform nao gettin' spamola from orcs, 'pleez dear sir rack sumthing?' 1944252;1570665105;asciilifeform;i suspect they're ~empty like Bingo's people 1944253;1570665209;asciilifeform;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1944144 << ftr i actually agree with mp_en_viaje , it's, wat, a 100ln proggy?! 1944254;1570665209;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-09 23:00:49 lobbes: So I agree now that 2020 delivery is, in fact, utterly insane. Fire has been lit under arse; I will kick this into higher gear 1944255;1570665250;mp_en_viaje;it's mostly needlework, like the old 1990s computing olympiad problems, "do all these many things". 1944256;1570665265;asciilifeform;~all programming's needlwurk, mp_en_viaje 1944257;1570665272;mp_en_viaje;but not heavy nor subtantial. 1944258;1570665292;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, well no, phuctor-likes are claw work, very different thing. 1944259;1570665294;asciilifeform;even 'heavy' isjust heavy needlework. 1944260;1570665295;asciilifeform;a 1944261;1570665306;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: but ya didnt ask him to bake a phuctor. 1944262;1570665311;mp_en_viaje;did not. 1944263;1570665328;mp_en_viaje;and finally, billy's thing is more scrape work, also different. 1944264;1570665339;asciilifeform;hm. 1944265;1570665340;mp_en_viaje;there's different kinds, not all programming's needlework. 1944266;1570665394;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i cleaned the intel box in case end up asking for it if not turks. 1944267;1570665412;mp_en_viaje;noty. 1944268;1570665415;asciilifeform;aok. 1944269;1570665546;asciilifeform;( since was asked for inventory : there are 3 'apu1' amd machines, w/out ears. an' a set of ears. ) 1944270;1570665591;*;mp_en_viaje to bed. 1944271;1570665597;asciilifeform;goodnight mp_en_viaje 1944272;1570665714;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1944047 << if this were to be done I'd say trinque probably better fit for the role. While I am always hungry for BTC, my orcbux stash took a hit while jettisoning dependopotamus. I'm currently regrouping financially speaking, and while my monthly cashflow should be increasing by ~ $1k in the coming months, I'll still be at 'pauper' level in real terms. Consumption continues to be slashed, howe 1944273;1570665714;lobbes;ver, which is very nice 1944274;1570665715;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-09 20:55:15 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It may be worth working with lobbes/trinque to see if a BTC/Dubloo circuit in the zone can be established. The one thing the US has is cables everywhere. Argentina hangs off of the "Tannat" cable still further from Fortaleza than Uruguay 1944275;1570665806;asciilifeform;lobbes: mp dun want that one, tho, cuz ' you can't do x, can't do y, you're anti-useful ' etc, who am i to argue 1944276;1570665904;asciilifeform;lobbes: it could be revved up in day or 2 but all i got here on desk to fill with is the listed items atm. 1944277;1570665913;asciilifeform;lobbes: why, do ~you~ want it ? 1944278;1570665917;asciilifeform;i.e. for own purposes ? 1944279;1570665962;asciilifeform;just cuz mp dun want to inhabit it dun mean it could not be inhabited. he did not say 'i'ma excommunicate anyone who lives there' just yet. 1944280;1570666096;asciilifeform;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1944153 << this is a point -- why couldn't bot control www standups. 1944281;1570666097;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-09 23:14:23 mp_en_viaje: think about it, if clucker can "make website account", why exactly can't lobbesbot ? outside of "because lobbes hasn't written that part yet" 1944282;1570666173;asciilifeform;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1944167 << bundeswehr not armed yet ? 1944283;1570666173;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-09 23:27:23 mp_en_viaje: will force germany to rearm. 1944284;1570666203;asciilifeform;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1944170 << he did say 'do it tomorrow if i dun find a proper' neh. 1944285;1570666203;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-09 23:29:00 BingoBoingo: !q asciilifeform Were you going to pick up an "anyserver" to get the blogs back online or should I do it when I get back from basement mission? 1944286;1570666432;asciilifeform;wb BingoBoingo 1944287;1570666531;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I am presently inside the rack. It appears once everything went dark they decided to unblock the IPs as reported. Or the did it when they saw I was wheeling out the last 1U servers and warned them I'd be back to check 1944288;1570666569;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: we discussed this, neh. they'll 'fix' and it'll go until again breaks. 1944289;1570666616;BingoBoingo;Well last eta to restore something resembling a service was 1 month 1944290;1570666650;BingoBoingo;And Imma do a test 1944291;1570666682;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the subscribers who are jettisoning their iron may want it plugged in until last day, let'em say. 1944292;1570666707;asciilifeform;oughta keep in mind that live disks could fall into hands of enemy then. 1944293;1570666787;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: With the 1Us out I am not inclined to plug anything back in unless explicitly requested by the customer 1944294;1570666814;asciilifeform;i dun expect that anyone'll request, but see no reason to refuse if specifically requested. 1944295;1570666835;asciilifeform;so long as $subscriber understands what he's getting into. 1944296;1570667191;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: you can try plugging qntra in, if you dare. 1944297;1570667236;asciilifeform;( iirc lived on BingoBoingo's personal iron ) 1944298;1570667281;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It came out in duffel run. Was on tiny box I flew in that held first pizarro www and dns server along with first pizarro trb node 1944299;1570667311;asciilifeform;aha i recall 1944300;1570667374;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: can plug it in, just be prepared to lose the box if the orcs lock you out 1944301;1570667399;asciilifeform;it's a , wat, 100bux box ? 1944302;1570667408;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: They seemed very disinclined to lock out seeing as I wheeled out the last 1Us today, stated my intention to empty cabinet, etc 1944303;1570667427;asciilifeform;well it's paidup through end of oct neh. 1944304;1570667488;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: All in it came under 500 USD. One of the AMD mobile processors on ITX board in iirc 10-ish inch deep rackmount case 1944305;1570667502;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: if you wanna plug it in, it's b/w you and odin. 1944306;1570667554;asciilifeform;whothefuckknows, maybe somehow latech obtained, from martians, proper net pipe in last 2d. 1944307;1570667645;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I'd only plug it in to see if it draws the aggro, and no. They simply unblocked the IPs per Oscar's report. Oscar is candid when the salesorcs aren't around. But... He's in a position where he's the telecom manager by title and has not the telecom to manage 1944308;1570667682;asciilifeform;so they simply recocked the 'if ddos, unplug'em' pistol, eh. 1944309;1570667690;BingoBoingo;Right 1944310;1570667749;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: that thing's prolly destined for the scrapyard, so wainot, plug in, see for own curiosity what happens to it. 1944311;1570667772;asciilifeform;it's yer box. 1944312;1570667793;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It's portable enough it could make fine desktop machine. 1944313;1570667807;asciilifeform;then not. as you like. 1944314;1570667820;asciilifeform;( 500 seems steep for such a thing, btw, imho. ) 1944315;1570667894;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I assembled it from parts. RAM, SSD, etc add up. Did not come from a surplus pile. 1944316;1570667902;asciilifeform;even then. 1944317;1570667911;asciilifeform;where didja buy them parts, BingoBoingo , at airport ?? 1944318;1570667954;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Newegg. SSD and a power supply in the right form factor for the case were iirc the big expenses 1944319;1570667983;BingoBoingo;It didn't seem to make sense to scrimp on the power supply or disk. 1944320;1570668013;asciilifeform;all them folx who think ' asciilifeform's machines expensive, why need angela when can monica ' oughta try buyin' from 'folx who do x, who do y', see how they sing. 1944321;1570668116;asciilifeform;equiv. of e.g. uy1 'new, on newegg' easily 25k usd. 1944322;1570668180;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: observe that in 2y of piz, not 1 'ew, he buys old irons' component failed. 1944323;1570668207;asciilifeform;why ? cuz asciilifeform tested'em. incl. ps, with meters. an' scrubbed, etc. 1944324;1570668251;asciilifeform;an' 'burn-in' . 1944325;1570668300;asciilifeform;but! asciilifeform apparently charlatan. rent, why not, some piece of even older junk in turkey, wainot. 1944326;1570668444;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Power for dollar, you do seem to have a knack for buying machines. As I'm digesting the day's conversation the objection from mp seems to be the mindset which produces this frugality is handicapping when extended to other areas. 1944327;1570668457;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: am i wrong btw ? did even 1 fail ? 1944328;1570668494;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Not one of them failed, and I can very much see why you are inclined to rehome them. 1944329;1570668764;asciilifeform;bbut, BingoBoingo ! 'who needs fucktarded angela when..'! wainot, go, pay 25k for box that asciilifeform sews for 1k. 1944330;1570668815;asciilifeform;[http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2017-02-18#1615434][see also.] 1944331;1570668816;ericbot;Logged on 2017-02-18 22:54:14 asciilifeform: (iirc we had a thread where i described how corporate ameritards, if given a problem like phuctor, would happily soak up a few $mil and megawatt of iron) 1944332;1570668956;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: maybe FG also just a fashion accessory. whocares whether installed, aha. 1944333;1570669040;asciilifeform;it's a wonder, BingoBoingo , that anyone came to piz. did they just take pity on us rubes or wat. 1944334;1570669140;*;lobbes liked dealing with humans, of course 1944335;1570669154;lobbes;In related leased server news, turns out the [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942974][singapore] hoster was more trouble than worth; communication impossible (all emails met by automated "ticket" creation followed by 5+ scripted spam responses) and they wanted scanned driver's license + credit card. Told 'em noty 1944336;1570669154;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 22:39:54 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1942833 << btw, I've snagged another leased server from some singapore heathen hoster. Once they provision the thing and give login info then auctionbot will live again. However, if it is desperately needed in the meantime I can slap it up on the usg hoster as a stop-gap measure 1944337;1570669154;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-09 00:05:43 asciilifeform: i suppose oughta proper auction. 1944338;1570669160;lobbes;Ended up just calling my current usg hoster I use for the logs; they said no problem and would get a second server leased and provisioned 'today' (albeit I was told this 12 hours ago) . I'll say one thing, at least this particular usg hoster is responsive. 1944339;1570669204;asciilifeform;lobbes: the usa hosters that deal w/ humans, are pretty starved for biz & eagertoplease. they're dying under lulazon and other 'i can't believe it ain't hosting!' 1944340;1570669273;asciilifeform;the people who 'Just Want'(tm)(r) 'a box, 24/7, dun want to swap raid disks, or keep a greasy asciilifeform around to voltage test ps' etc. are all nao in 'cloud'. 1944341;1570669323;asciilifeform;it's the logical conclusion of JustWantage. 1944342;1570669340;lobbes;Dreamin' in the Clouds 1944343;1570669347;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-10#1944215 << not really, tbh. Would rather not be chained to the zone for any longterm. Medium term plans include sitting tight while I save up a sizable wad of fiatola (now that I *can* actually save) and sort through the crap I've accumulated; sending unessentials to /dev/null 1944344;1570669347;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-10 00:07:08 asciilifeform: lobbes: why, do ~you~ want it ? 1944345;1570669348;asciilifeform;an' it's sold by the pound. interchangeable, predictable, exactly like 'serious biz' folx luvv so Much. 1944346;1570669416;asciilifeform;lobbes: 100% of dc in asciilifeform's immediate 50km radius, nao host ~just~ lulazon. 1944347;1570669429;asciilifeform;it's squeezed out the actual-people rack-a-box biz. 1944348;1570669474;lobbes;I believe it. Most big corps also bought into "cloud" marketing 1944349;1570669486;asciilifeform;even usg.cia nao on lulazon. 1944350;1570669507;asciilifeform;they have an entire shitfarm not far from here. aint even seekrit anymoar where. 1944351;1570669509;BingoBoingo;Maybe they did? Anyways what I read this afternoon was MP opening up the chance to start deploying S.NSA funds to rent and give pipe to a rack, that while in hostile lands is near-ish to asciilifeform who seems married to the same lands. When faced with this offer the reflexive response was to terminally stall on the fiat/BTC conversion problem. You did not propose investigating or collaborating with other folks still stuck inside the 1944352;1570669509;BingoBoingo;wire on solving the fiat/BTC conversion problem. From there things went downhill. 1944353;1570669535;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i dun force-feed people , it dun work. 1944354;1570669620;asciilifeform;also, BingoBoingo , even if he had asked for the rack, we cannot teleport the boxen, it wouldnot satisfy the 'omfg want uy1 NAO!!' req. 1944355;1570669715;asciilifeform;right-NAO! can only be done via diana_coman's method . 1944356;1570669772;lobbes;I mean, wasn't the UY1 nao problem already [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943803][solved] earlier in the convo with stop-gap measures 1944357;1570669773;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-09 19:04:12 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, tomorrow if nothing yields by then, yes. 1944358;1570669794;asciilifeform;lobbes: that'd be (see thread) lulazon. 1944359;1570669834;lobbes;right, temporary solution. I.e. didn't seem germane to 'can't teleport boxen' point re: the rack convo 1944360;1570669834;asciilifeform;btw just as mp_en_viaje said 'orc dc is at least just as terrible, turns out, as usa dc' i'm quite convinced that 'lease rando box from turks' aint any 'cleaner' than 'ask asciilifeform for lulazon aws in 15min' 1944361;1570669914;asciilifeform;lulazon , for all that i spit on it, worx. like a well-cleaned airport toilet in munich . 1944362;1570669931;asciilifeform;if one dun give a damn whether to live in a public toilet, it's ~the~ public toilet. 1944363;1570669959;asciilifeform;iirc it even knows how to eat btc ( tho ftr i never once considered to try ) 1944364;1570670038;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Well it'd take ARIN a week or so to get your IPs which would make for a tight schedule even FedEx'ing or couriering boxes, but the lockup on fiat/BTC interfacing so early and definitively... 1944365;1570670050;asciilifeform;i've had a certain piece of shit running there for 5y, lobbes . and it stayed up 24/7/365. 1944366;1570670121;asciilifeform;'the customer', BingoBoingo , 'is always right'(tm)(r) . 1944367;1570670157;asciilifeform;you oughta know that. 1944368;1570670158;BingoBoingo;lobbes: Part of the UY1 problem is solved. Backups are on a machine awaiting trinque making them available. Other part of UY1 problem is standing up an "anyserver" to get some blogs up and running again. 1944369;1570670208;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I can't help it if no one finds the US safe and rich enough to do bicycle cash deliveries 1944370;1570670219;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: mp asked for x. upfront i told that can only produce y. he said 'no ty' and i respect. 1944371;1570670240;asciilifeform;if i had x up my sleeve, i swear, would not lie, would pull it out. 1944372;1570670276;asciilifeform;i aint about to try to convince that x == y when it != . or that i can bake an x outta toothpicks in 3days.or whichever. 1944373;1570670324;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: cash delivery would do 0. 1944374;1570670345;BingoBoingo;Aite, I'm going to stop sitting on the DC floor, put some cables in the bag and hope it isn't raining when I reach the surface world 1944375;1570670354;asciilifeform;goodnight BingoBoingo . 1944376;1570670360;asciilifeform;i'ma have to liedown soon. 1944377;1570670370;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Bike guy also does bank wires 1944378;1570670381;asciilifeform;except for the day he doesn't. 1944379;1570670397;asciilifeform;or the day is fbi stoolie. 1944380;1570670400;asciilifeform;etc 1944381;1570670411;BingoBoingo;Well, that's what less eager fellow who wants BTC is for 1944382;1570670427;asciilifeform;and on top of it all, that rack aint doin' anyone any good when asciilifeform gassed. 1944383;1570670435;asciilifeform;which i suspect is at least part of the reason mp didnt want it. 1944384;1570670441;asciilifeform;and is fair. 1944385;1570670459;asciilifeform;wb trinque . 1944386;1570670460;BingoBoingo;wb trinque 1944387;1570670469;*;BingoBoingo to return to surface world 1944388;1570670513;lobbes;In unrelated news, I turned 32 today (yesterday?). Death clock keeps ticking. 1944389;1570670515;lobbes;On that note, I'm off to sew mp-wp bot before we all die of old age 1944390;1570670519;asciilifeform;happy bd lobbes 1944391;1570670521;lobbes;ty 1944392;1570670532;asciilifeform;lobbes you might be the youngest among us ship o'fools. 1944393;1570670567;trinque;evening all 1944394;1570670567;lobbesbot;trinque: Sent 3 hours and 52 minutes ago: Backups have finished uploading to the deedbot server. 1944395;1570670576;asciilifeform;goodevening trinque 1944396;1570670622;trinque;BingoBoingo thanks, saw, now getting ssh access set up for them. 1944397;1570670960;asciilifeform;trinque is my memory playin' tricks or do you in fact run a dc in texasistan ? 1944398;1570670978;trinque;nah, I don't 1944399;1570670981;asciilifeform;a. 1944400;1570671010;asciilifeform;trinque: ever wanted to ? 1944401;1570671318;trinque;can't say that I do. 1944402;1570671351;asciilifeform;trinque: all you'd have to do, is convert arbitrary tonnage of btc to usd, pick an' lease a rack, fill it with irons, y'know, replace asciilifeform and the other charlatans who previously did this. 1944403;1570671419;asciilifeform;oh and of course visit it erry coupla days, clean it, put in os for people, etc. 1944404;1570671477;trinque;no startup is an every couple days affair. it's an every waking moment affair, and it redefines waking without your asking too. 1944405;1570671490;asciilifeform;i'm not even making a joke against mp , perhaps he's right that somewhere there lives the hero with 8 hands who can do all of this on spec. 1944406;1570671501;asciilifeform;trinque: indeed it does. 1944407;1570671538;asciilifeform;trinque: i had dulap scroll to a physical screen 24/7, for instance. 1944408;1570671546;asciilifeform;and even in other rooms of house ditto. 1944409;1570671572;asciilifeform;when uy1 was suspected of overheat, had its thermometer displayed also where could see it, even when eating. 1944410;1570671763;*;asciilifeform very tired, goes to horizontal pos. 1944411;1570672537;trinque;recall I offered to redo your website (as a first step into your having any marketing effort whatsoever) 1944412;1570672600;trinque;I don't know if the soviets invented some kind of circumcision that removes the "and then you persuade people to give you their money for the thing you have" 1944413;1570672605;trinque;or what 1944414;1570672763;trinque;anyhow that copy I wrote for your wacky larping index page never went up. I don't beg my way into other people's struggling businesses. 1944415;1570672823;trinque;at any rate, I don't take pleasure in pissing on failure. it's a weakness I have, so lets leave it at that. 1944416;1570673470;trinque;lobbes: you around to confirm ssh access to the box with uy1 backups? 1944417;1570673784;lobbes;trinque, sure I can test. 1944418;1570674069;trinque;lobbes: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=TQln 1944419;1570674100;trinque;should be same ssh key they had. 1944420;1570674130;lobbes;kk, testing nao 1944421;1570674186;lobbes;trinque: hmm port 50022 still? 1944422;1570674188;BingoBoingo;trinque: Thank you for helping with the cleanup. 1944423;1570674223;lobbes;trinque: ah okay, worx. I am in 1944424;1570674229;BingoBoingo;lobbes: no, at least not when I uploaded 1944425;1570674269;*;lobbes goes to grab tarball 1944426;1570674286;lobbes;ty for backup BingoBoingo, and for hosting it trinque 1944427;1570674298;trinque;glad it worked 1944428;1570674310;BingoBoingo;lobbes: Did you want your Rockchip drive backed up as well? 1944429;1570674331;BingoBoingo;Or did you want it mailed 1944430;1570674463;lobbes;BingoBoingo: I have (I think) recent backups of that already, but I would love it mailed if that is being offered. I can pay for postage ofc 1944431;1570674541;BingoBoingo;lobbes: Please check and let me know 1944432;1570674601;*;lobbes goes to confirm 1944433;1570674816;lobbes;BingoBoingo: confirmed. I have both recent blog dump and auctionbot postgres dumps. I should be good to go for the time-being 1944434;1570674833;BingoBoingo;lobbes: ty 1944435;1570675104;trinque;bvt, cruciform, danielpbarron, hanbot, lobbes, mats, mocky, mod6, nicoleci, peterl, thimbronion, whaack : http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=LxFh 1944436;1570675566;*;BingoBoingo has pulled the trigger on a heathenbox. Hopefully will get to setting it up soon. 1944437;1570675607;BingoBoingo;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1944320 << Death comes for everyone. Your micro/macro risk calculation organs are calibrated in a way that all to frequently weighs in favor of the perfect at the expense of the possible and at times the necessary as well. I am trying to take Señor Popescu's lessons and if he thinks I ought to apprentice as a datacenter tech in an actual employement role... I'm going put myself out there 1944438;1570675607;BingoBoingo; and not limit the search to Vienna, Warsaw, and Anatolia simply because more civilization survives there than apparently anywhere else. 1944439;1570675607;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-09 22:23:04 asciilifeform: and on top of it all, that rack aint doin' anyone any good when asciilifeform gassed. 1944440;1570675645;BingoBoingo;With respect to keeping anything powered on in the rack serving anything, it damages the case that "we might have a stable connection in a month" is unacceptable. 1944441;1570675785;trinque;speaking of larping, what's this "gassed" thing? 1944442;1570675792;trinque;"daddy pls hurt me" ? 1944443;1570676226;trinque;BingoBoingo: man I hardly think perfect's the word here. it literally means complete! 1944444;1570676283;trinque;the honest assessment is y'all didn't have a man onboard that wanted to do the business part of the business. 1944445;1570676306;BingoBoingo;trinque: Well that's kind what the loper-os vision of computing is. Compare to MP's I'll buy it but it better work or I'll break it. 1944446;1570676324;BingoBoingo; the honest assessment is y'all didn't have a man onboard that wanted to do the business part of the business. << This seems very accurate. 1944447;1570676389;BingoBoingo;"Server for sale, in Uruguay" seems like the Pizarro version of "Baby shoes, never worn" 1944448;1570676751;asciilifeform;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-10#1944352 << this is actuallly good q, BingoBoingo why didntcha put it in 1944449;1570676751;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-10 02:01:18 trinque: anyhow that copy I wrote for your wacky larping index page never went up. I don't beg my way into other people's struggling businesses. 1944450;1570676769;BingoBoingo;When the Bitcoin declaration of independence went around gathering signatures in 2014, it was enough to dislike the USG and want to see the USG done. Now, for the failures of marketing outside of the MP household... much of the language about the Republic seems larpish, except when he says it because... He's been a battleship before Bitcoin. 1944451;1570676795;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It went in late, which in retrospect is as good as never. 1944452;1570676806;asciilifeform;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-10#1944353 << just think, how much couldve pissed, if we went down with 40 riders instead of 7 ! 1944453;1570676807;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-10 02:02:18 trinque: at any rate, I don't take pleasure in pissing on failure. it's a weakness I have, so lets leave it at that. 1944454;1570676917;asciilifeform;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-10#1944379 << 'gas' is a 'when', not 'if', it aint a 'ohai i'ma coward'. refs to well-known hazards of living in totalitarian shithole. 1944455;1570676917;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-10 02:51:40 trinque: speaking of larping, what's this "gassed" thing? 1944456;1570676953;asciilifeform;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-10#1944385 << 2yo shoes, lol 1944457;1570676953;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-10 03:01:45 BingoBoingo: "Server for sale, in Uruguay" seems like the Pizarro version of "Baby shoes, never worn" 1944458;1570677009;*;BingoBoingo to take unwinding unloaded walk and then bed. 1944459;1570677023;*;asciilifeform to genuine bed. 1944460;1570677047;BingoBoingo;Sleep well 1944461;1570677121;trinque;it's not coward; it's narcissism 1944462;1570677125;trinque;*cowardice 1944463;1570677136;trinque;they don't know who the fuck you are 1944464;1570682160;lobbes;in other news, I have knocked out all items in [http://archive.is/tlh0K][week 4 mp-wp work plan]. Next on list is: the search blog portion, and the sending pingbacks from irc portion 1944465;1570682165;lobbes;turns out, btw, that the whole "detect permalinks structure" thing wasn't even needed... the "guid" field does not represent, as I erroneously thought prior, the absolute path to the post. mp-wp just puts the absolute path in there "by default" as the guid. Saved a lot of time by realizing that 1944466;1570682330;lobbes;mp_en_viaje: I meant to ask earlier, do you want the logged lines on the blog to be linkable ala the standard logger? 1944467;1570682337;*;lobbes to bed 1944468;1570682661;lobbes;I mean to say above: do you want the links appearing in the log lines to be enclosed in tags 1944469;1570689054;diana_coman;in early morning crop, only 4 replies: 1 is "please hold on, will enquire"; 2 is "invoicing is a problem because local laws bla" (I've replied to them with simple solution aka their person comes and interfaces); 3 is can't do + we are obnoxious and you do as we say (south koreans too!) 4. is again "help, please hold, will ask boss" 1944470;1570689113;diana_coman;there should be more coming as I've contacted yest ~30 new providers. 1944471;1570693445;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1944210 << nobody's talking to you as some sort of established pile of wonder, where what you ~have~ is interesting. i'm sure it's not. the idea is whether what you ~do~ can be interesting. if you're leaving for thailand, it's one thing, 1944472;1570693445;mp_en_viaje;but if you're staying put, can you at least master the btc to dubaloo interfacing in your area ? can you be [http://trilema.com/2013/what-the-drug-trade-is-how-the-drug-trade-works-and-why-silk-road-didnt-work-and-didnt-matter/#identifier_2_49796][a useful someone], rather than alf-style loud someone ? 1944473;1570693445;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-09 21:04:31 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1944047 << if this were to be done I'd say trinque probably better fit for the role. While I am always hungry for BTC, my orcbux stash took a hit while jettisoning dependopotamus. I'm currently regrouping financially speaking, and while my monthly cashflow should be increasing by ~ $1k in the coming months, I'll still be at 'pauper' level in real terms. Consumption c 1944474;1570693445;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-09 20:55:15 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It may be worth working with lobbes/trinque to see if a BTC/Dubloo circuit in the zone can be established. The one thing the US has is cables everywhere. Argentina hangs off of the "Tannat" cable still further from Fortaleza than Uruguay 1944475;1570693517;mp_en_viaje;if i reside in a location (which i do, multiple) i can answer a number of questions. "where's the best restaurant", i can answer, and if i like you it'll even be "i'll take you there". "are there any hot whores ?" i can answer, and if i like you i can even send you some. "do you know a lawyer ?" i can answer, and so following. 1944476;1570693577;mp_en_viaje;when i returned to timisoara i moved into a place my left-behind man on the ground got for me, when phf showed up in minsk i took him to places my advance team either researched or actually scouted, these are things. 1944477;1570693585;mp_en_viaje;ownership of a place is a thing. 1944478;1570693716;mp_en_viaje;so the question actually was, "any chance you'd extend your presumed ownership of georgia-carolina-tenesee" into the tri-state area such as to cover this inept schmuck, who can't apparently get out of the house, and help him out do basic self-support tasks ? 1944479;1570693749;mp_en_viaje;because this is what you're supposed to fucking do, being our man in amsterdam means you can answer questions about amsterdam. 1944480;1570693855;mp_en_viaje;that's what BingoBoingo_ was to do in uruguay, and did as-best-he-could which didn't get accepted as acceptable, let alone very well, this is what mocky went to do in qatar -- figure out if it's worth doing at all, this is what life is. 1944481;1570694066;mp_en_viaje;and that's the expectation, whoever;s resident answers questions. "i need a car" here you go. "seems this deal's going south" "i know this lawyer", "we want to X" "you'll have to p q and r, ima send guy over to talk to you about p, no problem, q you do thus and following, r is iffy, becayse s and t considerations, ima see what can be done". 1944482;1570694143;mp_en_viaje;that's the format, and that's even the fucking reason of existing. if this isn't what you do, in what sense are you even a person, what the fuck, you're somebody's maid, ploughssharer, tavern wench, whatever it is you think you appear or attempt to say you're at no risk of being taken for a gentleman. 1944483;1570694302;mp_en_viaje;in any case, if you want to sell one or ten or a hundred bitcoin in budapest i can tell you where ; or in kiev, or in munich, or in i dunno if i make myself clear here, but this vegetative state where you can do nothing, you know no one etcetera is not fit for independent living. if you're going to live like that you must live in the household of another, as a servant. 1944484;1570694336;mp_en_viaje;to live independently you must master your environment sufficiently so as to warrant it. 1944485;1570694473;mp_en_viaje;the very fucking point of [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943659][structure] speaks directly here. to be in the republic ~you must not be in pantsuit~. living the life of the atomized powerless pantsuit ~necessarily~ means you can't be in the republic. 1944486;1570694474;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-09 14:30:18 mp_en_viaje: there exist good cheeses now because (mostly french) many anon farmers produced the structure to protect them. 1944487;1570694674;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1944255 << dude, stfu, srsly. 1944488;1570694674;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-09 21:41:08 asciilifeform: where didja buy them parts, BingoBoingo , at airport ?? 1944489;1570694743;mp_en_viaje;he;s gonna fill up the channel with idiotic old woman wailing now, on top of ten thousand lines of being hysterically useless. 1944490;1570694810;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1944264 << every heuristic is potentially useful while gripped firmly in your hand, and damaging if it takes over the head. 1944491;1570694811;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-09 21:50:00 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Power for dollar, you do seem to have a knack for buying machines. As I'm digesting the day's conversation the objection from mp seems to be the mindset which produces this frugality is handicapping when extended to other areas. 1944492;1570694937;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1944283 << if you continue in this vein of stupid, stroking your hurt ego by knocking down straw dollies you imagined, ima simply devoice you. 1944493;1570694937;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-09 22:05:05 asciilifeform: an' it's sold by the pound. interchangeable, predictable, exactly like 'serious biz' folx luvv so Much. 1944494;1570694953;mp_en_viaje;you're not fucking useful. learn to be useful or get the fuck lost, it can't be any plainer than that. 1944495;1570694971;mp_en_viaje;your self-permitted "oh, i can't do x, but that's ok" went as far as it did, ~tolerated~, not accepted. 1944496;1570694985;mp_en_viaje;it'll never be accepted, because stupid is stupid, and "i can't do x" is never anything but stupid. 1944497;1570695261;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo_, is in on the carpet over not managing to magic over workable orcs in the south american outback over a coupla years ? he got there he didn't even speak the fucking language. 1944498;1570695281;mp_en_viaje;meanwhile you've been sitting on your dumb ass for fucking decades, telling me you can't handle half a coin like you're fucking proud of it ? 1944499;1570695311;mp_en_viaje;i'd rather deal with amazon than with red stapler idiot bullshit each day of the week, who the fuck do you think gives a shit about your elaborate list of can't do's ?! 1944500;1570695408;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1944292 << these are fucking unrelated. 1944501;1570695409;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-09 22:09:37 asciilifeform: also, BingoBoingo , even if he had asked for the rack, we cannot teleport the boxen, it wouldnot satisfy the 'omfg want uy1 NAO!!' req. 1944502;1570695441;mp_en_viaje;you make a big noise, oh, "i like this, oh i do that", people end up imagining inside the noisecloud there's some substance. 1944503;1570695478;mp_en_viaje;yes, on the basis of the pompous bullshit you keep spitting into the logs i had formed the impression that you're sitting on a large stash of assorted hardware, which is a major factor of your manifest refusal to leave the washington swamp. 1944504;1570695563;mp_en_viaje;and yes i had thought that offering you the opportunity to at least rack some of that, thereby liquidating it without losing ownership, would be exactly the pill to resolve [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942318][the cash flow woes] of an otherwise useful and intelligent gent. 1944505;1570695563;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 06:39:33 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1942062 << the uy nonsense caught you just right huh! 1944506;1570695643;mp_en_viaje;because that was the structure of THAT conversation, actually, irrespective what the shit between your ears may have misrepresented it as : i noted you got your fingers caught, and then i pointed out [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942471][WHY you got your fingers caught], and then took the first opportunity to offer some slack to extract yourself. 1944507;1570695643;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 12:12:42 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: not disputing the general principle. but finding it difficult to see how would have made a diff re the latech thing. 1944508;1570695672;mp_en_viaje;which you promptly took and hung self with, which is fucking fine. 1944509;1570695761;mp_en_viaje;not even half year ago you were here making a big noise about your x-ray machine and how to adapt microscopes and shoot nonpareils out of your asshole. 1944510;1570695803;mp_en_viaje;not even a week ago you were grumbling about how you want whatever opterons "you sealed" back, as if you're some kind of fucking actor, maybe you own 10% of the remaining stock of opterons, who the fuck knows. 1944511;1570695842;mp_en_viaje;then it turns out you've been talking out of your ass. 1944512;1570696038;mp_en_viaje;i can't even be arsed to distinguish whether it's the case that some weirdo is in fact SO weird as to actually have an xray machine, microscopes etcetera but 0 boxes, or rather the case some fifteen yo is just talking along with the crowd, a sort of [][zelig], becoming overweight when talking to overweight people about their obexsity and growing a beard when hanging out with rabbis. 1944513;1570696716;mp_en_viaje;cuz that's what i fucking needed, you know, not -- god forbid -- a working isp, oh no, not that. i wanted some fucking kitchen xray shots of some long dead gramophone. THAT is what was needed, it'll make the apotropaion of alf, when the darkness comes we just show it that and it walks away. 1944514;1570696720;mp_en_viaje;fucking idiot. 1944515;1570696752;mp_en_viaje;you're poor because you're stupid. and you'll stay poor for as long as you stay stupid. that's the whole fucking story. 1944516;1570697003;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1944321 << yes, sure, in some complexly contorted re-interpretation it could be said that i don't want it because someone inept enough to have a problem with the bitcoin is probably just as inept in other places and will do something stupid enough to be a danger of life and limb. 1944517;1570697004;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-09 22:23:12 asciilifeform: which i suspect is at least part of the reason mp didnt want it. 1944518;1570697066;mp_en_viaje;similarily, if i was hiring and this engineer dude showed up, passed the quals, and then explained that he must have limo service from company, because he can't drive and is affraid of trams and the bus driver is mean to him, i'd hve similarly said no thanks. because, again, some dude too inept to have mastered transportation is not qualified to play the engineer, irrespective of what the paperwork girlies say. 1944519;1570697156;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1944326 << happy bday then 1944520;1570697157;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-09 22:24:30 lobbes: In unrelated news, I turned 32 today (yesterday?). Death clock keeps ticking. 1944521;1570697389;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1944350 << actually that was the whole idea. the entire concept of a socialist economy is that market communication is spurious because somehow everyone inherits [http://trilema.com/2014/the-problem-of-ideal-social-systems-reprint/][the perfect knowledge] of the planners. 1944522;1570697389;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-09 22:59:18 trinque: I don't know if the soviets invented some kind of circumcision that removes the "and then you persuade people to give you their money for the thing you have" 1944523;1570697426;mp_en_viaje;this is ~precisely~ the economic proposition of classical socialism, that by saving all the money "wasted" on marketing, packaging, advertising etcetera, it can pass those savings on to the customer, ~and they'll amount to something meaningful~. 1944524;1570697501;mp_en_viaje;thus they indeed built a drab gray world, with no instagram sluts vying for a chance at being the next "avon ambassador", no twerking girlies tryna "make it in dis biz" of "rap" which consists of dudes vying for a chance of being the nike ideal salesman, whose paper icon is in every nike shop so the actual shoe salesman can hide after this nike jesus and sell from behind the mask 1944525;1570697525;mp_en_viaje;and for that matter no cosmetics -- if girl at home ain't tryna immitate the girl selling news on tv, what need for rouge ? 1944526;1570697644;mp_en_viaje;and similarily [http://trilema.com/2011/voi-ce-ati-facut-in-viata-asta-ba/?b=unei%20gagici&e=vai#select][military/penitentiary underwear] universally, and [http://trilema.com/2010/piinea-amara-a-baietasilor-de-cartier/?b=Sutien&e=mami#select][the yearning] for something, ANYTHING else that goes with it. 1944527;1570697673;mp_en_viaje;and then "inexplicably" they just fucking ended. because, apparently, meaning is not independent of the means to meaning, and if you don't manage to produce meaning you don't manage to produce anything. 1944528;1570697722;mp_en_viaje;notwithstanding objectively the milk was better, and the only chocolare available better than the mode, and the mean, let alone average chocolate available in "democracy", and in general yes, an "objective dollar" / pound of silver DID, indisputably, buy more in socialism than "capitalism". 1944529;1570697732;mp_en_viaje;except, of course, nobody fucking wanted it. but other than that -- yes. 1944530;1570697838;mp_en_viaje;precisely and exactly and the problem is, most people don't understand anything therefore the rake's still there to step on. over, and over, and over again. 1944531;1570697915;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1944352 << well, in socialism you universally end up having to, because there's going to be a pompous whiny idiot there who's spent all the time fucking everything up. 1944532;1570697915;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-09 23:02:01 trinque: anyhow that copy I wrote for your wacky larping index page never went up. I don't beg my way into other people's struggling businesses. 1944533;1570697989;mp_en_viaje;through the holy trifecta of http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943242 ; and who wants to be friends ; and who wants you to certify his self-given immunities, oh he doesn't suck cock and that's ok. "how the fuck could it be okay, the cock's right there. suck it, bitch" "oh, noes..." 1944534;1570697989;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-09 09:19:28 mp_en_viaje: stop confusing cause and effect, stop looking up the wrong name server roots, stop minimaxing randomly about, it's the stuff of insanity. 1944535;1570698148;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1944347 << dude, the problem's not your doing of the things you do. the problem's your not doing of the things you do not do. 1944536;1570698148;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-09 22:42:09 asciilifeform: when uy1 was suspected of overheat, had its thermometer displayed also where could see it, even when eating. 1944537;1570698215;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1944353 << nobody fucking does, but what the fuck can you do, if nobody says anything the chitlins will die stupid. 1944538;1570698215;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-09 23:03:00 trinque: at any rate, I don't take pleasure in pissing on failure. it's a weakness I have, so lets leave it at that. 1944539;1570698371;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1944374 << sweet. 1944540;1570698371;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-09 23:48:44 BingoBoingo: has pulled the trigger on a heathenbox. Hopefully will get to setting it up soon. 1944541;1570698736;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1944377 << best of luck, and don't forget to describe it in detail! that's what the blog is for after all. 1944542;1570698737;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-09 23:49:24 BingoBoingo: and not limit the search to Vienna, Warsaw, and Anatolia simply because more civilization survives there than apparently anywhere else. 1944543;1570698906;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1944379 << the counterwright for his mechanism of nonsense. in practice it works as a [http://trilema.com/2019/trilema-goes-dark/#comment-130823][scummy attachment strategy], in that it readily passes filters as "playful talk", the man's making a joke, see, it's double-entendre, like a clever use of language, oh, exaggeration, we get it. 1944544;1570698907;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-09 23:52:22 trinque: speaking of larping, what's this "gassed" thing? 1944545;1570698939;mp_en_viaje;then after it passed it becomes this perpetual self-reference basis, and who knows, maybe everyone's dumb enough to actually start taking it seriously seeing how it got repeated over and over again after having not been laughed out of court outright. 1944546;1570699103;mp_en_viaje;in this alt-world he's a moron-hero who can't as much as leave the house but [http://trilema.com/2011/cred-ca-pe-alocuri-se-exagereaza/?b=Dar%20de-aici&e=mie#select][is besieged by armed hordes] nevertheless. so you can't say that he's wasting his time watching a termometer [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2016-12-01#1575987][instead of eating], because there's snipers on every roof! and you can't laugh at him fucking with xra 1944547;1570699104;mp_en_viaje;ys of his toe jam instead of getting his business of the ground, because, you see, THEY GAS PEOPLE!!! 1944548;1570699104;ossabot;Logged on 2016-12-01 15:37:35 mircea_popescu: A student told his friend, "My teacher has amazing powers. He moves a pen in the air and characters appear on a piece of paper held on the other side of the river. What does your master do?" His friend replied "My great master follows Zen. When he is hungry, he eats and when he is tired he sleeps." 1944549;1570699194;mp_en_viaje;"they" do. 1944550;1570699346;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1944381 << flawless is the word. 1944551;1570699346;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-09 23:59:43 trinque: BingoBoingo: man I hardly think perfect's the word here. it literally means complete! 1944552;1570699374;mp_en_viaje;whioch isn't even universally a bad approach, most tools are to be made to the flawless standard. which is why when he's in there gunsmithing his gun, he turns out very good work. 1944553;1570699465;mp_en_viaje;the problem is that most of life consists of dealing with born, not made systems and structures. [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-08-14#1928517][selected not designed]. and in dealing with that, he is TERRIBLE. he's not even at the level of a 3yo, which'd be complete martian naivite. he's in fact numerously and profoundly counter-trained, he does things that specifically ensure failure. 1944554;1570699466;ossabot;Logged on 2019-08-14 03:52:49 mp_en_viaje: it's not there because it was designed ; it's there because it was selected, which is a different thing. selection [http://trilema.com/2015/quantum-mechanics-today-a-machine-to-turn-penis-projectile-vibration-into-eyelash-flutter/][produces things that work], definitionally, that's what it is. not well or correctly or properly but AT ALL. 1944555;1570699484;mp_en_viaje;perhaps because failing early is how he managed to get away from it and move back to the other lobe as a child, or for any other reason. 1944556;1570699551;mp_en_viaje;the fundamental problem is that polishing a lens until it's flawless is hard but attainable ; but polishing a fishery until the water's perfectly flat is NOT attainable. 1944557;1570699567;mp_en_viaje;people fish with the water not being flat, notwithstanding bumpy lens surface is hardly worth using. 1944558;1570701581;diana_coman;o.O meanwhile london-based director "looked up who I am" and thinks it might be possible 1944559;1570701605;diana_coman;and I was just finishing the bashing-email, now need to tweak a bit; because he still has funny ideas. 1944560;1570701632;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-10#1944385 << were worn, in all fairness, but certainly see the flavour. 1944561;1570701632;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-10 00:02:27 BingoBoingo: "Server for sale, in Uruguay" seems like the Pizarro version of "Baby shoes, never worn" 1944562;1570701661;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, report on blog later too i imagine ? 1944563;1570701678;mp_en_viaje;excellent inaugural of new host, "my shit got fucked here's what i did about it", come to thinl of it. 1944564;1570701684;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: I'm amassing here a long list of stuff to report, myeah 1944565;1570701702;diana_coman;but let's see if this works out because so far he's still deluded on some aspects 1944566;1570701721;mp_en_viaje;and who isn't. 1944567;1570701722;diana_coman;and I think he took me for some swiss coman shmidt diana academic, lol 1944568;1570701736;mp_en_viaje;i discover aspects i was deluded on pretty much weekly. 1944569;1570701794;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-10#1944390 << nope, exactly opposite. 1944570;1570701794;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-10 00:09:24 asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-10#1944353 << just think, how much couldve pissed, if we went down with 40 riders instead of 7 ! 1944571;1570701794;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-10 02:02:18 trinque: at any rate, I don't take pleasure in pissing on failure. it's a weakness I have, so lets leave it at that. 1944572;1570702109;diana_coman;there are some guys from the netherlands too who were very humbly apologizing that they can't do it; at least not obnoxious like south koreans I suppose; but anyway, this is better on a blog for sure. 1944573;1570702132;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-10#1944404 << whichever way is the easier. 1944574;1570702132;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-10 01:41:28 lobbes: mp_en_viaje: I meant to ask earlier, do you want the logged lines on the blog to be linkable ala the standard logger? 1944575;1570702165;mp_en_viaje;i don't need it, seeing how selection mechanism, but i certainly won't make you rip it out. besides, perhaps more convenient for peeps used to it. 1944576;1570702218;mp_en_viaje;this logging in the car business kicks ass. 1944577;1570702579;diana_coman;apparently it occasionally kicks the can too, lolz. 1944578;1570702699;mp_en_viaje;a derp it died 1944579;1570702730;mp_en_viaje;well, it's easy enough to bounce back in, but yes, spessart forest kicks butt as a forest, but not the greatest for signl 1944580;1570702904;diana_coman;well, I'm still trying here to get on top of the logs but between emails/isps/ixps lists & all that, it's not going that fast and I'm not even in the forest. 1944581;1570704007;mp_en_viaje;well, it's easy enough to bounce back in, but yes, spessart forest kicks butt as a forest, but not the greatest for signl 1944582;1570704011;mp_en_viaje;aand multi-km worth of trucks traffic jam, ftw. i betcha someone crashed. 1944583;1570704046;mp_en_viaje;in any case, it turns out radio links don't work so well throyugh major traffic jams .meanwhile satlinks don't work so great in thick cloud cover such as can be had in autumnal fulda gap. 1944584;1570704050;diana_coman;apparently the london guy is asking for a rider too, pretty much. 1944585;1570704054;mp_en_viaje;who knows how the fuck do go about anything ;/ 1944586;1570704089;diana_coman;how was it? "flawless" - that thing that never works that well irl 1944587;1570704109;mp_en_viaje;uh huh! 1944588;1570704152;mp_en_viaje;in fairness, zee germans are a pleasure to be stuck in a stau with, such as it is. literally 1k semis orderly to the side of the road so light traffic can make it through, these folk are fuckien dsciplined. 1944589;1570704192;mp_en_viaje;but also, LOTS of fucking crashing on the autobahn, this'd be the 3 major in a piddly 500 mile stretch we did so far. i'd guess half a dozen dead total, too. 1944590;1570704198;mp_en_viaje;i mean wtf, it's a little rich, 1944591;1570704267;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-10#1944406 << ah, i thought you meant the clickable timestamp. uh, tbh the answer stays the same : whichever works easiest. 1944592;1570704268;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-10 01:46:59 lobbes: I mean to say above: do you want the links appearing in the log lines to be enclosed in tags 1944593;1570711158;diana_coman;and after all the time-wasting, london-guy fails; at least it's consistent with expectations. 1944594;1570711251;diana_coman;they claim they accept payment via bitcoin to direct address though so if anyone wants their details, let me know; their datacentre is in London but I won't have anything further to do with them. 1944595;1570712361;diana_coman;!!key crowncloud 1944596;1570712362;deedbot;Not registered. 1944597;1570713011;diana_coman;!!key Metronix 1944598;1570713011;deedbot;Not registered. 1944599;1570713806;asciilifeform;!Qlater tell mp_en_viaje if you think [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-10#1944450][ asciilifeform is liar], then per the [http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/][mp's operating instruction] you have wrong sign bit on asciilifeform's rating. i'ma take that -9 nao. 1944600;1570713806;lobbesbot;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1944601;1570713806;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-10 08:29:13 mp_en_viaje: i can't even be arsed to distinguish whether it's the case that some weirdo is in fact SO weird as to actually have an xray machine, microscopes etcetera but 0 boxes, or rather the case some fifteen yo is just talking along with the crowd, a sort of [][zelig], becoming overweight when talking to overweight people about their obexsity and growing a beard when hanging out with rabbis. 1944602;1570714028;asciilifeform;this goes for errybody else. whythefuq are you keeping a http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-10#1944432 around. 1944603;1570714029;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-10 08:11:09 mp_en_viaje: you're not fucking useful. learn to be useful or get the fuck lost, it can't be any plainer than that. 1944604;1570714059;diana_coman;asciilifeform: mind answering in #o for a bit; there's an indonesian isp guy that might do some work. 1944605;1570714104;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i'ma answer, 1s 1944606;1570714864;asciilifeform;diana_coman et al : all further q's for asciilifeform , in castles plox. here i'ma answer if invoked by mp and not otherwise. 1944607;1570714894;diana_coman;asciilifeform: as you wish. 1944608;1570716000;diana_coman;!!key Metronix 1944609;1570716002;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/85DCAC7D458D11E6E30C9468FD285473CC93194C.asc 1944610;1570717262;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: oh, hi 1944611;1570717282;diana_coman;I got an australian-with-dc-partner-in-US to register with deedbot 1944612;1570717286;*;mp_en_viaje waves 1944613;1570717287;lobbesbot;mp_en_viaje: Sent 58 minutes ago: if you think [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-10#1944450] [asciilifeform is liar] , then per the [http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/] [mp's operating instruction] you have wrong sign bit on asciilifeform's rating. i'ma take that -9 nao. 1944614;1570717287;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-10 08:29:13 mp_en_viaje: i can't even be arsed to distinguish whether it's the case that some weirdo is in fact SO weird as to actually have an xray machine, microscopes etcetera but 0 boxes, or rather the case some fifteen yo is just talking along with the crowd, a sort of [][zelig], becoming overweight when talking to overweight people about their obexsity and growing a beard when hanging out with rabbis. 1944615;1570717306;diana_coman;he has intel machines only but at least can invoice via deedbot apparently 1944616;1570717315;diana_coman;so tbh I think I'll get one to get my blog online already 1944617;1570717318;diana_coman;wtf else can I do 1944618;1570717320;mp_en_viaje;nice. here ? 1944619;1570717324;diana_coman;lemme bring him over 1944620;1570717339;*;mp_en_viaje cuts through thick wall of latertold drama to emerge on to business. 1944621;1570717393;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo_, did you get a thing going for shared clone yet ? or should i just get this guy to provide a box ? 1944622;1570717441;diana_coman;!!up crowncloud_ 1944623;1570717441;deedbot;crowncloud_ voiced for 30 minutes. 1944624;1570717444;mp_en_viaje;hi crowncloud_ 1944625;1570717449;crowncloud_;hey 1944626;1570717450;*;diana_coman hasn't yet got around to rate crowncloud_ ; will do 1944627;1570717476;mp_en_viaje;ok, so our uruguay dc just imploded, and there's some stuff to relocate asap seeing how whatever, people's blogs are offline 1944628;1570717484;diana_coman;crowncloud_: answered my email by coming and registering with deedbot ; he's from crowncloud.net 1944629;1570717488;mp_en_viaje;what do you recommend for basicaly a buncha personal sites / blogs and so on ? 1944630;1570717497;mp_en_viaje;in terms of dedicated machines 1944631;1570717515;crowncloud_;what was the configuration of the previous server? 1944632;1570717531;mp_en_viaje;dang. good q, lessee if i can fish it out 1944633;1570717534;mp_en_viaje;1s 1944634;1570717594;crowncloud_;sure 1944635;1570717740;mp_en_viaje;crowncloud_, https://archive.is/mllUr#selection-51.0-93.102 << found it 1944636;1570717740;diana_coman;!!rate crowncloud_ 2 Australian ISP with US dc-partner; can invoice via deedbot. 1944637;1570717742;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=QTbE 1944638;1570717766;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: You can have him go ahead. I pulled the trigger on the purchase, but haven't done setup yet. It's one of those fast delivery CentOS things, hard to tell if actual physical box or virtualized cheat box. It's an "any" box. If this service has a guy to show up, its a better option 1944639;1570717797;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, aite. ill cover w/e you paid, lump it with the drive incinerations and w/e else such odds and ends. 1944640;1570717829;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: I'll just throw a BTC node on it and maybe keep it if it doesn't suck. 1944641;1570717833;mp_en_viaje;meanwhile in trips down memory lane, http://archive.is/S2GEb 1944642;1570717843;crowncloud_;This site can’t be reached / archive.is refused to connect. 1944643;1570717846;diana_coman;!!rate Metronix 2 Indonesian ISP with 10 years close connection to local ISP; can invoice via deedbot; currently out of capacity for colo. 1944644;1570717847;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=K9nh 1944645;1570717897;mp_en_viaje;crowncloud_, that's weird. ok, lemme see here 1944646;1570717934;mp_en_viaje;UY1: » 128 GB ECC RAM » 2x 16-core AMD Opteron 6376 (2.3 GHz) (32 Cores) » Reserved Space, Just for you on a 1.7 TB RAID 10 Array composed of Samsung Solid State Drives » Apache, MySQL, PHP 5.6 » Located in safe and politically stable Montevideo, Uruguay outside of NATO or other belligerent states 1944647;1570717948;mp_en_viaje;obviously the last point is a bridge too far for england, but the rest :D 1944648;1570718099;crowncloud_;Hmm, let me check what can come close to that config 1944649;1570718108;crowncloud_;any idea how much RAM was used of that 128G ? 1944650;1570718118;mp_en_viaje;fwiw it was iirc <10% used anyway, so not the end of the world. 1944651;1570718155;mp_en_viaje;luxurious old boys club sorta setup, wat can i say. 1944652;1570718188;mp_en_viaje;speaking of which, man this penthouse apt is nice. best view of frankfurt, i had forgotten how pleasant these superlative views from on top of the city are. 1944653;1570718197;mp_en_viaje;makes one feel pretty good just like that. 1944654;1570718205;BingoBoingo;Most of the boxe's power ended up simply being a sort of "fleet in being" reserve. 1944655;1570718227;mp_en_viaje;aha. 1944656;1570718308;mp_en_viaje;i wonder why archive doesn't load for him, incidentally. it loads for you hmmm wtf happened to diana coman 1944657;1570718311;mp_en_viaje;o there she is. Guest23498 ^ 1944658;1570718326;BingoBoingo;Maybe Centurylink cut off England now? 1944659;1570718355;mp_en_viaje;nah, item's in russia. 1944660;1570718691;diana_coman;!!v A1B52FE1392A081098D1D1863E47DC17C27FA62EB883E12045F84165C3625703 1944661;1570718692;deedbot;diana_coman rated crowncloud_ 2 << Australian ISP with US dc-partner; can invoice via deedbot. 1944662;1570718708;diana_coman;!!v 8C614463FB2BF748EA00DA9E0ACBB7D18CF0C6DC7CC551D783379E4DA0964112 1944663;1570718708;deedbot;diana_coman rated Metronix 2 << Indonesian ISP with 10 years close connection to local ISP; can invoice via deedbot; currently out of capacity for colo. 1944664;1570718732;diana_coman;done; and drat re lost conn. 1944665;1570718824;diana_coman;was there anyone close to either LA or Atlanta? apparently that's where crowncloud_ has datacenter space for colo. 1944666;1570718854;mp_en_viaje;so i log into trilema after a coupla days of walking through forests etc, and i find... 58 comments in queue. so im like wtf, fucking hell, the spam thing finally croaked. 1944667;1570718864;mp_en_viaje;as it turns out, no, just spyked sent a buncha trackbacks 1944668;1570718868;diana_coman;ahahaha 1944669;1570718877;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, i thought he's from london 1944670;1570718881;diana_coman;trackbacks while walking through the forest 1944671;1570718905;mp_en_viaje;but that don't mean my eyes will soon be turning red... 1944672;1570718910;mp_en_viaje;trackbacks are falling on my head... 1944673;1570718916;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: no; the london guy failed as per http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-10#1944531 1944674;1570718917;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-10 09:41:58 diana_coman: and after all the time-wasting, london-guy fails; at least it's consistent with expectations. 1944675;1570718927;mp_en_viaje;a ok. seems i got confuseled. 1944676;1570718961;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: well, in the end the london guy wasted my morning; after which I have 2 people actually showing up; what can I say. 1944677;1570719021;diana_coman;speaking of which: crowncloud_ I'll take that intel in atlanta whatevers, I need my blog up; put centos 6 on it and invoice me via deedbot. 1944678;1570719060;diana_coman;this is how ossasepia is moving to the US, pfft. 1944679;1570719120;mp_en_viaje;heh 1944680;1570719144;crowncloud_;sec sorry had got disconnected off znc 1944681;1570719178;mp_en_viaje;crowncloud_, http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-10#1944584 << logs 1944682;1570719178;diana_coman;crowncloud_: the chan is logged at http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema if you missed anything 1944683;1570719178;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-10 14:34:11 mp_en_viaje: UY1: » 128 GB ECC RAM » 2x 16-core AMD Opteron 6376 (2.3 GHz) (32 Cores) » Reserved Space, Just for you on a 1.7 TB RAID 10 Array composed of Samsung Solid State Drives » Apache, MySQL, PHP 5.6 » Located in safe and politically stable Montevideo, Uruguay outside of NATO or other belligerent states 1944684;1570719184;diana_coman;or that, lol. 1944685;1570719187;mp_en_viaje;lol 1944686;1570719214;crowncloud_;just checking into invoicing via deedbot -- we usually handle support/invoicing etc all via our client area (helps keep track of invoices/updates the customer on any network maintanence etc) 1944687;1570719231;diana_coman;crowncloud_: via deedbot please. 1944688;1570719272;mp_en_viaje;!!up crowncloud_ 1944689;1570719273;deedbot;crowncloud_ voiced for 30 minutes. 1944690;1570719347;crowncloud_;let me see -- i mean, for support etc as well, it would be very useful if via the client area, because we have different staff on rotating shifts, so someone or the other would be available to help you out rather than waiting for me to come online :P 1944691;1570719374;diana_coman;crowncloud_: they can come online too, no? have them reg a key each and leave a znc on, what 1944692;1570719418;crowncloud_;hmm issue is, not all staff have access to the datacenter stuff (for security reasons) so there's a internal escilation for such tasks via support tickets 1944693;1570719452;diana_coman;so they can escalate it internally in any way; the point is: one contact here and then that contact can escalate and do whatever in your system 1944694;1570719477;mp_en_viaje;it's not really gonna work to try and get the republic on website. 1944695;1570719496;diana_coman;that is not going to work at all. 1944696;1570719589;crowncloud_;hmm 1944697;1570719648;BingoBoingo;crowncloud_: In my experience serving these clients they practicly support themselves most of the time. Very tech literate. The few things they ask however, they need. 1944698;1570719716;crowncloud_;Yup -- just trying to see how to make it best possible, because I don't want to leave anyone hanging for support and at the same time, for billing as well. I don't usually want staff to interact with customers as it leads to a very "mixed" of experience 1944699;1570719773;BingoBoingo;crowncloud_: I understand that. Last datacenter had much of their staff disappear sometime after 8 September this year. 1944700;1570719791;crowncloud_;oh 1944701;1570719816;crowncloud_;hmm would support/invoicing etc work via EMail ? 1944702;1570719825;crowncloud_;the same ID to/from which you sent us an email earlier today ? 1944703;1570719826;BingoBoingo;And by "much of their staff" I mean my point man with a good head. 1944704;1570719827;mp_en_viaje;what do you have against irc anyway 1944705;1570719882;crowncloud_;nothing against IRC 1944706;1570719891;diana_coman;crowncloud_: that was my email, lol; it won't really work for everyone anyway; and really, what's against irc? it's ok, we don't bite the unexperienced. 1944707;1570719920;diana_coman;crowncloud_: and I get what you say re mixed, not like I didn't talk to...ahem, quite a lot of isp employees those days. 1944708;1570719957;diana_coman;crowncloud_: basically establish a presence on irc too, they'll probably even train up while at it, if anything. 1944709;1570719964;crowncloud_;na nothing against IRC really, its just that the panel handles it all for us, bills are auto-generated on the due date, support alerts go to all members so everyone on-shift is alerted of whatever issue etc so they can all provide you updates as we get them from the datacenter side 1944710;1570719983;mp_en_viaje;so basically he needs an irc bridge for his backend 1944711;1570719989;diana_coman;ahahaha; quite 1944712;1570719993;mp_en_viaje;you know ? 1944713;1570720052;diana_coman;ikr. 1944714;1570720064;mp_en_viaje;not like pizarro wrote itself one, for all the aferations of intensive care etc. 1944715;1570720084;mp_en_viaje;the pizarro irc isp suite'd have been quite useful right now, "here, use this" 1944716;1570720113;diana_coman;crowncloud_: as mp_en_viaje says, in time you could bridge this over with custom software too but for the moment just a person to do the bridging (or 2-3 on shifts, whatever); you know what'd work 1944717;1570720138;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: now you released the trackbacks and feedbot is foaming with them, lolz 1944718;1570720148;mp_en_viaje;lol siz 1944719;1570720150;mp_en_viaje;soz* 1944720;1570720192;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: and yes, irc isp suite would have been great; I'm quite sure it would have made my search way more fruitful too really. 1944721;1570720226;mp_en_viaje;i wonder why it never occured. 1944722;1570720287;crowncloud_;let me see, I'll have a chat with my boss and see how it goes, I'll drop a reply to the email ? or ? 1944723;1570720301;mp_en_viaje;here. 1944724;1570720314;crowncloud_;sure 1944725;1570720315;mp_en_viaje;you can voice yourself now, 1944726;1570720321;crowncloud_;aha ty :) 1944727;1570720326;mp_en_viaje;just say !!up to deedbot in pm and then !!v the otp it gives you 1944728;1570720330;mp_en_viaje;since diana_coman rated you 1944729;1570721350;mp_en_viaje;hanbot_abroad nicoleci https://archive.org/details/RoBalaicaGRimm/page/n5 << the sisters marrying bear story. 1944730;1570726938;BingoBoingo;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-10#1944498 << Servers worn yes. Was counting on "in Uruguay" to convey the sadness. 1944731;1570726939;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-10 07:03:11 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-10#1944385 << were worn, in all fairness, but certainly see the flavour. 1944732;1570732706;asciilifeform;!!deed http://www.loper-os.org/pub/dulap_construction_kit.txt 1944733;1570732708;deedbot;accepted: 1 1944734;1570732712;asciilifeform;^ on request of diana_coman . 1944735;1570737891;BingoBoingo;ATTN ALL: Latecho has silently disabled my access to the datacenter. All that remains in the rack per my last survey are 1. Switch for the incoming connection 2. less sophisticated switch serving RK plant 3. RK plant (minus drives) 4. Rails 5. A small mountain of network and power cables 6. Many Racknuts, mostly unsused 7. One platic tote box, empty 1944736;1570738204;mp_en_viaje;ahahaah they actually stoled it ? good thing you got the shit out 1944737;1570739594;BingoBoingo;Seriously. Glad I didn't warn then before wheeling out the last 1Us. Still between then and this afternoon's visit to SWEEP AND CLEAN while packing... I was still able to get in last night. WTF sort of delay is that. 1944738;1570739939;BingoBoingo;Anyways, they've captured 1. weird switch any prospective or current customers are going to "brand fag" about being offered 2. Commodity switch already plentiful on local market 3. some single board computers 4. rails, cables, and other shit it would have been nice for them to have Jan/Feb 2018!!! 1944739;1570740158;BingoBoingo;Anyways, after taking care of some other things Imma draft a "Let's get this liability of a contract off both of our books and cleanly and inexpensively as possible" letter. Will not fire off without getting some reads here of the draft. 1944740;1570740277;mp_en_viaje;nah, just complain your key don't work. 1944741;1570740282;mp_en_viaje;play dumb, what do you care. 1944742;1570740344;BingoBoingo;Aite. Will play dumb and let them accumulate breaches. 1944743;1570740447;BingoBoingo;Also visited the commercial shippers today. Going to have to get my own boxes and will probably be headed to the networking hardware store tomorrow to see what they got. 1944744;1570741761;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: Aite, dumb played. 1944745;1570742004;BingoBoingo;The sutures holding my scrotum to this horse feel substantially less tight than they did even this morning. 1944746;1570742083;mp_en_viaje;cool deal 1944747;1570742163;BingoBoingo;Anyways, I'm pretty sure even though I wheeled out servers with a hand truck earlier, doing so yesterday while someone was paying attention... was probably a shock. Especially in light of the pseudo-classism thing that goes in in this part of the world. 1944748;1570742204;BingoBoingo;"Colocates servers, why wouldn't he hire a 'fletes' to do the manual labor?" 1944749;1570742696;BingoBoingo;Anyways, despite the signs of unwellness, it would still be surprising if I don't have access because they don't have access either. 1944750;1570744647;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-10#1944537 << i don't think you're a liar. i think you're a https://i.ytimg.com/vi/QO6WLGB4RBU/maxresdefault.jpg ; and as your misfortune would have it very few interesting or important things in this world can be done single handedly. 1944751;1570744647;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-10 10:26:06 asciilifeform: !Qlater tell mp_en_viaje if you think [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-10#1944450][ asciilifeform is liar], then per the [http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/][mp's operating instruction] you have wrong sign bit on asciilifeform's rating. i'ma take that -9 nao. 1944752;1570744647;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-10 08:29:13 mp_en_viaje: i can't even be arsed to distinguish whether it's the case that some weirdo is in fact SO weird as to actually have an xray machine, microscopes etcetera but 0 boxes, or rather the case some fifteen yo is just talking along with the crowd, a sort of [][zelig], becoming overweight when talking to overweight people about their obexsity and growing a beard when hanging out with rabbis. 1944753;1570744669;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, would also be lulzy. 1944754;1570746028;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: Not outside the realm of possibility, but yes. Would be surprising. Then again there was no one in the glass humans box yesterday at an hour 1. Well after local lunch hour and a half concludes 2. Well before local workday concludes. Fellow who walked me out had to come from one of the two other datacenters (the other two are under different S.A. corp for Freezone purposes, maybe more solvent?) 1944755;1570746065;mp_en_viaje;wait, walked you out ? i thought the keycard thingee just quit 1944756;1570746084;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: Yesterday I had to use the service enterance because wheels. 1944757;1570746090;BingoBoingo;Keycard did just quit 1944758;1570746090;mp_en_viaje;oh oh 1944759;1570746099;mp_en_viaje;and you figure that gave it away ? 1944760;1570746105;BingoBoingo;But never worked for the honest wheels door 1944761;1570746159;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: I would have thought first batch of wheeling would have, but apparently neither receptionist cared that day nor does anyone appear to mid the security cameras at the enterance. 1944762;1570746256;BingoBoingo;But during the conversation never said anything definitive as to my future operations rather than my clients'operations, but did emphasize the difficulty of continuing as is. This may have baited the keycard. 1944763;1570746273;BingoBoingo;And yet I was in the rack last night many hours after the wheeling out. 1944764;1570746332;BingoBoingo;But the lack of anyone in the humans box seems to be a strong "less than skeleton/prize crew at the helm" situation 1944765;1570746408;BingoBoingo;Empty humans box during business hours has been the exception in the past. Consistently seeing it when never seeing it before... 1944766;1570746422;BingoBoingo;not at this frequency 1944767;1570746498;mp_en_viaje;a well 1944768;1570746524;BingoBoingo;Anyways. Having everything but the one switch powered down when the network doesn't work seems like the only sane response to walking into the Monday Air conditioner disaster. 1944769;1570746637;BingoBoingo;Also not a necessary leaving tell when people other than HVAC folk were seen trying to fix HVAC crisis. It's a natural equipment preservation move. 1944770;1570746736;BingoBoingo;"Yes, despite paying for powered rack... Running machines that may become surprise uncooled when they don't even network access is a great risk/reward calculation. 1944771;1570747080;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/the-famous-schlob-and-other-stories/ << Trilema -- The Famous Schlob, and other stories. 1944772;1570747618;mp_en_viaje;heh 1944773;1570749976;billymg;hey all 1944774;1570750088;billymg;BingoBoingo: i took a snapshot of my blog db when piz briefly came back after the unexpected outage, and i have local copies of my patches (i see diana_coman mirrored the mp-wp patches, but i also have the mp-wp-tests patches) 1944775;1570750122;billymg;it would still be nice to get a copy of some of the directories on my old rk if i'm not too late 1944776;1570750129;BingoBoingo;billymg: Aite, I have your Rockchip drive. GPG me what you want 1944777;1570750203;billymg;sure, one sec 1944778;1570750253;*;BingoBoingo going over local contract law again. Tristan Narvaja produced some gems. Art. 1273. La violencia moral no afectará la validez del contrato, sino cuando por la condición de la persona, su carácter, hábitos y sexo, pueda juzgarse que ha debido naturalmente hacerle una fuerte impresión. Tampoco afectará la validez de los contratos el mero temor reverencial. 1944779;1570750516;lobbes;pretty lulzy re: keycard BingoBoingo. Good thing you grabbed irons indeed 1944780;1570750851;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-10#1944415 << I see what you mean, and this makes sense. In that case, I must confess I have not spent my time here in carolinastan taking ownership of the place. Certainly have not made and BTC/fiat interface contacts, which I do see now as foolish. 1944781;1570750851;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-10 07:48:20 mp_en_viaje: ownership of a place is a thing. 1944782;1570750853;lobbes;I fell into ill thinking in which I reasoned that since I don't want to live here ~forever~ and that I don't really like the place that I am content with being a hermit for the time being. 1944783;1570750860;lobbes;But this is faulty reasoning; e.g. mp_en_viaje sure as fuck didn't like Argentina yet knew that place inside and out (which is how he even came to the conclusion that it sucked so hard in the first place) 1944784;1570750896;billymg;BingoBoingo: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=WBGH 1944785;1570750916;billymg;BingoBoingo: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=XjKL < and the key 1944786;1570751048;billymg;lobbes: yeah, this resonated with me http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1941999 1944787;1570751049;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-08 00:14:45 mp_en_viaje: "not talking to many people you don't know ~= suicide" might've been more productive a lesson. 1944788;1570751107;billymg;i've been so lost in corporate world these past few years it's all i know, and vow not to make the same mistake once i jump the fence 1944789;1570751182;BingoBoingo;billymg: Aite. I'll try to have these tarballed GPG'd and uploaded within the next 24 hours. Will let you know if I have any issues. 1944790;1570751189;lobbes;billymg, right? Ditto, though I ought to start talking to more people regardless of where I am. Sure it is 'easier' to just not talk to people, but the easy things are easy for a reason 1944791;1570751197;lobbes;in other news, my second server is finally provisioned. I'm off to resurrect auctionbot and blog! 1944792;1570751335;billymg;lobbes: i don't know if this is any defense but i find when try to talk to people here i'm met with http://63.80.184.72/blog/influence.html 1944793;1570751359;billymg;anything i _want_ to talk about, they absolutely _do not_ want to talk about 1944794;1570751370;billymg;it's very discouraging 1944795;1570751416;billymg;BingoBoingo: ty, and no rush 1944796;1570751427;billymg;i'm gonna be out all next week 1944797;1570751643;lobbes;billymg: oya, I encounter that as well, which is what leads to my hermit behavior I find ("meh, I don't even enjoy hanging with that guy; would rather just be alone"). But part of networking I suppose is just dealing with it and making the effort. Not like BingoBoingo had to be best buds with his bicycle guy contact, either 1944798;1570751718;billymg;yeah, for sure 1944799;1570751851;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-10#1944720 << the correct reasoning is to observe that since you don't intend to stay, therefore mistakes are cheap. 1944800;1570751851;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-10 20:43:35 lobbes: I fell into ill thinking in which I reasoned that since I don't want to live here ~forever~ and that I don't really like the place that I am content with being a hermit for the time being. 1944801;1570751868;lobbes;this is a golden point I hadn't considered 1944802;1570751874;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-10#1944721 << this is so. 1944803;1570751874;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-10 20:43:42 lobbes: But this is faulty reasoning; e.g. mp_en_viaje sure as fuck didn't like Argentina yet knew that place inside and out (which is how he even came to the conclusion that it sucked so hard in the first place) 1944804;1570751958;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-10#1944716 << o ya, the attempt of the roman law folk to make sense out of the world, their structure of terms of art etc, lulzy goldmine 1944805;1570751958;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-10 20:33:35 BingoBoingo: going over local contract law again. Tristan Narvaja produced some gems. Art. 1273. La violencia moral no afectará la validez del contrato, sino cuando por la condición de la persona, su carácter, hábitos y sexo, pueda juzgarse que ha debido naturalmente hacerle una fuerte impresión. Tampoco afectará la validez de los contratos el mero temor reverencial. 1944806;1570752027;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-10#1944732 << it's why the ~many~ is in there. 1944807;1570752027;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-10 20:52:13 billymg: it's very discouraging 1944808;1570752156;billymg;as in, gotta talk to 1000 to find the one human? 1944809;1570752245;mp_en_viaje;yeah, say hi to 1000 to find 100 to ask how their day;s been to find 10 to ask a 2ns question to to find one... 1944810;1570752277;mp_en_viaje;you ever read http://trilema.com/2019/get-lost-dumbo/ ? 1944811;1570752295;billymg;makes sense 1944812;1570752301;billymg;yeah, pretty sure at some point i did 1944813;1570752310;*;billymg re-reads 1944814;1570752321;mp_en_viaje;mkay, how discouraging is it ? 1944815;1570752343;mp_en_viaje;why the fuck would it be discouraging, it's not like i went in caring about the retards 1944816;1570752353;mp_en_viaje;i went in trying to figure out if i care or not. 1944817;1570752539;billymg;ah yeah, i remember this one now, lots of good lulz in there 1944818;1570752646;billymg;i see what you're saying, and it's not fear of rejection or anything like that, it's sadness. like when i realize that even my own family/close friends will never get it 1944819;1570752664;billymg;and not just never get it, but never even want to 1944820;1570752707;mp_en_viaje;why should they ? 1944821;1570752749;billymg;because isn't that the point? try to figure out how the world works and get it to work for you 1944822;1570752776;mp_en_viaje;ok, for you. but why should ~they~ ? 1944823;1570752893;billymg;well, because some of them actually seem very intelligent, and seem like they'd be pretty good at it, if they cared 1944824;1570752912;billymg;for the majority, sure, play with iphone all day 1944825;1570752945;mp_en_viaje;so why don't they care then ? 1944826;1570752981;billymg;comfort, i think they know what it means to care, and it means a loss of comfort 1944827;1570753006;mp_en_viaje;well so why should you want intelligent people to be uncomfortable. 1944828;1570753138;billymg;selfish reasons i suppose. that they might enlist and help the republic shape the world into what it should be 1944829;1570753156;mp_en_viaje;moreover, why should you be discouraged at intelligent peoples' comfort. 1944830;1570753196;billymg;it's not their comfort that's discouraging, it's their ranking of it above all else 1944831;1570753206;mp_en_viaje;well, do you ? 1944832;1570753225;billymg;rank comfort above all else for myself, personally 1944833;1570753228;billymg;? 1944834;1570753231;mp_en_viaje;yeah 1944835;1570753276;billymg;perhaps higher than i should, but it's never been at the top 1944836;1570753283;mp_en_viaje;seems to me a lot like being discouraged in a fine pint of dark stout that some people drink budweiser. i never heard of this. 1944837;1570753302;mp_en_viaje;"oh, but this is bitter" yeah "we like sweet beer ourselves" ok so have some. 1944838;1570753400;billymg;aha 1944839;1570753415;billymg;if that's their preference, don't waste the energy or the thought on it 1944840;1570753437;billymg;find those whose preferences align with yours, more productive 1944841;1570753449;billymg;or don't, continue to enjoy your dark stout regardless 1944842;1570753514;mp_en_viaje;i mean, you know, it's one thing to say "dude, you're wasting your mouth with that swill, try some beer". but if they don't like it, why can't they just carry on with whatever, what diff could it possibly make. 1944843;1570753537;billymg;true 1944844;1570753801;mp_en_viaje;much easier to seek than to fix. digging through millions may seem discouraging, on the surfce, because it takes months. 1944845;1570753801;mp_en_viaje;but fixing humans takes decades. 1944846;1570754082;*;billymg nods 1944847;1570757650;lobbes;http://trilema.com/2019/the-famous-schlob-and-other-stories/#footnote_0_88237 << heh, when I go to lookup "deluvional" the top result in duckduckgo is... [http://trilema.com/2019/luci-del-varieta/][another trilema] 1944848;1570759162;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile in regional church happenings 1944849;1570761312;lobbes;BingoBoingo: your link did not make it through 1944850;1570764000;BingoBoingo;lobbes: You are going to have to return a more specific error. 1944851;1570764255;BingoBoingo;Specifically, you are going to have to link a more specific label than "link" to you you need. Also what did the link not make it through? 1944852;1570764699;lobbes;BingoBoingo: I should have entered verbose mode. I assumed your line "Meanwhile in regional church happenings" was meant to be followed by some link to regional lulz 1944853;1570766867;BingoBoingo;ah http://archive.is/vnVgC ty lobbes 1944854;1570766892;BingoBoingo;Apparently there is still one thing Paraguay produces in a more traditional manner than Uruguay 1944855;1570769357;lobbes;lol, the magic omnibus 1944856;1570776656;lobbes;!Xview 1061 1944857;1570776656;auctionbot;Buy order # 1061: 1209 Wired Filthy Fiats, WU is fine but not preferred Opened at: 161mn ecu Winning Bid: 151mn ecu [Closed] 1944858;1570776668;lobbes;auctionbot lives again 1944859;1570779056;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-10#1944605 <-- lol. these should be all of them for now. will have to fix the local trackbacks next, which will result in another deluge, this time on own blog. 1944860;1570779056;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-10 11:50:25 mp_en_viaje: as it turns out, no, just spyked sent a buncha trackbacks 1944861;1570779183;spyked;in related news, thetarpit.org will soon point to the same site as wp.thetarpit.org ; I'll temporarily disable thetarpit's feedbot feed while sorting this out, so I avoid any potential spam while at it 1944862;1570779327;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943410 <-- imho that's a great idea, I'll make it a task for myself to mirror vpatches and seals 1944863;1570779327;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-09 12:18:31 mp_en_viaje: i guess we're gonna have to get a "all v-trees everywhere" program going systematically 1944864;1570779529;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940643 <-- I'll look into this as soon as I finish publishing the current mpwp work. though by the looks of it, the [http://trilema.com/2019/albertina-hurr/#footnote_0_88217][scp] method works also works fine. fwiw I've been using it since 2013. 1944865;1570779529;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-05 06:32:26 mp_en_viaje: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y06/0a5-work-plan-vi.html << if you care for w43 suggestions, the one [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2018-10-31#1868072][most painfully outstanding] mp-wp item is the multi-image uploader. 1944866;1570779639;*;spyked bbl, saeculum and afterwards will write this week's report. 1944867;1570785422;girlattorney;Hi, would you consider colo in north brazil? 1944868;1570785460;diana_coman;!!reputation girlattorney 1944869;1570785460;deedbot;http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=QCLU 1944870;1570785512;diana_coman;girlattorney: are you based in north brazil? do you know them there or what are you offering exactly? 1944871;1570785711;diana_coman;girlattorney: to put it plainly, from my pov there is currently nothing wrong as such with north brazil but nothing particularly right either; if you want to interface with some dc there, go ahead. 1944872;1570785747;girlattorney;i don't think it would be appropriate, it's a very home made facility 1944873;1570785756;girlattorney;i know a friend that has a premise in his own fazenda with barb wire and a "shared" private guard, he should also have contacts with a local ISP to get fiber / radio backup 1944874;1570785784;diana_coman;girlattorney: so have him come over, register a key, talk to people, why not 1944875;1570785792;diana_coman;presumably he is trying to grow a business there or what? 1944876;1570785818;diana_coman;that shared private guard is the lulz of time; how does that work? 1944877;1570785827;girlattorney;there are 3 fazendas 1944878;1570785874;girlattorney;everyone with cameras and barb wire, still, thugs are a real thing, so these 3 fazendas have a single guard that live there and control the zone 1944879;1570785880;diana_coman;so it's compound-guard rather than private 1944880;1570785944;diana_coman;is he trying to build a business or is this just his private server or what? 1944881;1570786031;girlattorney;private server, depending on POV, the good or bad thing is that there is no state, bribery is the gold standard with authorities, and basically if it wants to build another facility in his area, he hasn't too much hassles with permissions 1944882;1570786063;diana_coman;that is not a problem in itself; I was just trying to figure out what he's trying to do there, that's all. 1944883;1570786077;diana_coman;girlattorney: best to get him register a key and come and talk really. 1944884;1570786111;girlattorney;i'll try to register him, is not very good with english. two negative points: hot as fuck and logistic is quite complicated 1944885;1570786150;diana_coman;well, if he is willing to handle all the local stuff, weather & logistics included, why not. 1944886;1570786189;girlattorney;i'll first ask how much costs a dedi link per mbit, as i suppose you are looking for at least 100 mbit, right? 1944887;1570786203;diana_coman;if on the other hand he is busy with something else, there's no need to bother, let him do whatever he is busy with. 1944888;1570786315;diana_coman;girlattorney: the main thing is re interoperation with republican systems and standards 1944889;1570786338;diana_coman;if he can't/won't do that, then the rest doesn't matter, there's no need to waste time 1944890;1570786383;girlattorney;ok, got it, will check 1944891;1570786386;diana_coman;pretty much the first hurdle is [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942224][wot and invoice via deedbot] 1944892;1570786386;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-08 05:53:12 mp_en_viaje: 3. will you be able to invoice me via deedbot's sytem ? do you understand what the wot is and how it works etc ? 1944893;1570786466;diana_coman;girlattorney: maybe pop over in #o for a bit 1944894;1570786521;girlattorney;what's the purpose of o? 1944895;1570786587;diana_coman;girlattorney: younghands.club has it in the about page really; the thing is that this is not really the best place for any & all talk. 1944896;1570786817;diana_coman;girlattorney: for that matter you can see the logs of the chan too on any of the working loggers. 1944897;1570790845;mp_en_viaje;aand in other news, my interface is indeed being ddos;d, and defo related to irc 1944898;1570790924;mp_en_viaje;Oct 11 12:41:55 http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-10#1944785 << in the manner or of the kind of a deluge. 1944899;1570790924;mp_en_viaje;Oct 11 12:45:59 * mp_en_viaje has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 1944900;1570790924;mp_en_viaje;never made it in 1944901;1570790924;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-10 22:36:52 lobbes: http://trilema.com/2019/the-famous-schlob-and-other-stories/#footnote_0_88237 << heh, when I go to lookup "deluvional" the top result in duckduckgo is... [http://trilema.com/2019/luci-del-varieta/][another trilema] 1944902;1570790975;mp_en_viaje;this is supposedly resistant, let's see how well it holds up. 1944903;1570791110;mp_en_viaje;aww, holding up just fine ? but son... i r disappoint. 1944904;1570791196;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-11#1944795 << ok, that was lulzy. 1944905;1570791197;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-11 03:53:40 auctionbot: Buy order # 1061: 1209 Wired Filthy Fiats, WU is fine but not preferred Opened at: 161mn ecu Winning Bid: 151mn ecu [Closed] 1944906;1570791246;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-11#1944800 << good idea. 1944907;1570791247;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-11 04:38:11 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943410 <-- imho that's a great idea, I'll make it a task for myself to mirror vpatches and seals 1944908;1570797934;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-11#1944811 << so why isn't the friend you know here ? 1944909;1570797934;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-11 06:25:21 girlattorney: i know a friend that has a premise in his own fazenda with barb wire and a "shared" private guard, he should also have contacts with a local ISP to get fiber / radio backup 1944910;1570797940;mp_en_viaje;and in other morning lulz, oh look! "ddos" failing both the d- and the -dos portions! YOU KNOW IT IS SUPPOSED TO DENY SERVICE RITE 1944911;1570797965;mp_en_viaje;dork. 1944912;1570798245;mp_en_viaje;spyked, you know, still getting trilema trackbacks from your articles ; i suspect you prolly still haven't sent all. 1944913;1570798390;spyked;hm... I thought the trackback sender just picks the links (when pressing "update post") and sends 'em, but it might have some timer or something. I'm doing local trackbacks as we speak and some trackbacks to my own posts arrive immediately, while some not 1944914;1570798436;mp_en_viaje;the trackbacking thing prolly deserves rewriting, it proved very friable in practice. 1944915;1570798446;mp_en_viaje;the only fire-sure way i know is to use the bash extractor 1944916;1570798498;mp_en_viaje;http://trilema.com/2015/how-to-fix-your-local-trackbacks/ << item produces a complete list of all possible trackbacks, one per line in a self-contained bash command. 1944917;1570798517;mp_en_viaje;this means that simply iterating through the list will reduce the holes and in a finite number of steps have sent all. 1944918;1570798538;mp_en_viaje;but i still beleive the trackback system's broken (actually -- i believe the existence of the bash proves it must be) 1944919;1570798646;spyked;mp_en_viaje, I looked at that, but since I had links in the old format (e.g. /posts/y01/some-post.html), I also have to update those for local trackbacks to be accepted. then I'll use the trilema script for the second pass, altho... yeah, normally that wouldn't be necessary 1944920;1570798731;spyked;I'm at least curious to determine what trackbacks it hasn't sent. or whether xmlrpc.php responded with some error message. as it is, I don't know what's happening there 1944921;1570799078;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/the-slut-and-the-whore/ << Trilema -- The slut, and the whore. 1944922;1570800559;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-11#1944842 << wai lulzy? (it was responding to my !Xview command, btw. as demonstration that alive again with original data) 1944923;1570800560;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-11 10:55:14 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-11#1944795 << ok, that was lulzy. 1944924;1570800560;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-11 03:53:40 auctionbot: Buy order # 1061: 1209 Wired Filthy Fiats, WU is fine but not preferred Opened at: 161mn ecu Winning Bid: 151mn ecu [Closed] 1944925;1570800564;lobbes;anyhoot, light logs this morning. Good thing there's a trilema to read with breakfast 1944926;1570800722;mp_en_viaje;spyked, would be interesting to know what it doesn't send or why, but from decade experience it leaves some behind 1944927;1570800734;mp_en_viaje;lobbes, well because menawhile thing got evac'd. 1944928;1570802051;lobbes;aa 1944929;1570802301;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: what shall we do with the s.mg servers hw+system-wise? 1944930;1570802310;diana_coman;to give an idea of what's the issue here: 1944931;1570802333;diana_coman;1. we don't actually have a running and tested + everything needed Cuntoo yet 1944932;1570802361;diana_coman;2. current production server will NOT run on cuntoo either, even if available (because still needs dynamic + CS & Cal3d that are iffy) 1944933;1570802392;diana_coman;3. for as long as CS esp is not yet *fully* excised out of the dev/test server, that might *also * need non-Cuntoo 1944934;1570802412;diana_coman;4. previously, with pizarro, BOTH servers essentially ran on very specific, alf-made hardware + system 1944935;1570802420;mp_en_viaje;i tell you i don't fucking know. 1944936;1570802447;diana_coman;so while I have backups of both production and test systems and code and all that, I don't really know what to aim for here exactly 1944937;1570802479;mp_en_viaje;to try and separate the skeins of the problem : 1944938;1570802493;mp_en_viaje;1. it seems to me that as a matter of principle, and for all its supposed benefits touted by the so inclined, custom hardware is not a practicable course in business. 1944939;1570802518;diana_coman;I suppose in the best-ideal-great path, I could say : map all dependencies and make the move to cuntoo but this is essentially taking on another mountain of work with unclear everything. 1944940;1570802532;mp_en_viaje;sooner or later the proponents will discover "they're poor" or however this is called more generally, and "they were only advising" or whatever you'd phrase it, "they were just saying in principle". 1944941;1570802570;mp_en_viaje;i see a very thick red line uniting my experience buying a case of very valuable and very needed items that turned out to be entirely useless and practically worthless, and my experience of not being able to actually provide eulora public service. 1944942;1570802622;mp_en_viaje;alf's own "i bought symbolics gear" fits right in here, just because the crap seems, or may be made to seem, important or relevant through discourse does not make it either actually important or actually relevant. 1944943;1570802745;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: tbh the way I see it is that commercial enterprise may rely on "custom-made" only to the extent that it owns that production line since otherwise sooner or later it's bound to find itself stranded as far as I can tell. 1944944;1570803048;mp_en_viaje;so as my current thinking goes, attemptingto run business on anything other or besides commodity hardware is ~= editing locally saved copies of websites. it works fine enough -- until you reload. 1944945;1570803307;diana_coman;darn 1944946;1570803498;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, as far as any practical concern goes, we owned pizarro just fine. ownership is not the problem ; but customization puts undue power in the hand of the "Craftsman", who will imediatelly turn around to fuck you over. 1944947;1570803498;mp_en_viaje;because he has sexier things to do than what you need ; and, importantly, because this is WHY he wanted to be a "craftsman" in the first place, and why attempted to scam you into buying custom, rather than standard items : so as to fuck you over by doing "sexier things", because in his broken mind the very thing that impels the "craftsman" misbehaviour also looks at your damage as implicit justification -- in that you're hur 1944948;1570803499;mp_en_viaje;t by buying into his idiocy, therefore he believes "nobody could accuse" his idiocy of not having any substance, and therefore (he reasons), clearly his idiocy was in fact sexy. 1944949;1570803502;mp_en_viaje;if instead of doing business with a business that supposedly retained / was run by / whatever, expert craftsmen, we just hired them ourselves, we'd have been in the same exact posture. just like the man opted to not do the work of his business he'd have opted to not do the work of his employment -- arbitrarily, unreviewedly, disavowedly, and if you want ten volumes or ten shelves' worth of cover-up whine, you may be provided. 1944950;1570803515;mp_en_viaje;what you WILL NOT be provided with, however, come hell or high water, is actually reliable custom solutions. they'll only appear to be working for as long as it takes you to swallow the hook, and not any longer. 1944951;1570803528;mp_en_viaje;also, this luzyiness -- so my pipe occasionally saturates, which may make a freenode ping not make it through, which is ENOUGH 1944952;1570803541;mp_en_viaje;dumbest design i ever heard of, freenode service can be denied notwithstanding my pipe is fucking fine. 1944953;1570803570;mp_en_viaje;"as long as you don't get this one magic packet in a stream, connection's dead". 1944954;1570803607;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: (very good flame, btw, the arms pic, i've no counter) but you haven't actually been 'fucked over by craftsmen' yet re FG, not only asciilifeform can make for you as many FG as you want, but so can successors, item is 100% documented. 1944955;1570803667;mp_en_viaje;i can't bring up eulora. 1944956;1570803704;asciilifeform;cuz asciilifeform too stupid to run a piz. but can have all the parts you need, w/ worldwide deliv, at cost. 1944957;1570803710;mp_en_viaje;as things stand right now, in point of fact as diana_coman might well point out, the ~one argument available from strict minigame pov as to why even get test server there was "save on the hassle of trying to reproduce env". 1944958;1570803740;mp_en_viaje;and, as a general point, living in environments this elaborate is expensive and dangerous. 1944959;1570803745;asciilifeform;yest. put in [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-10#1005241][documentation] for 100% of the 'evil custom env.' 1944960;1570803746;ossabot;(ossasepia) 2019-10-10 asciilifeform: diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-10#1944670 . 1944961;1570803768;asciilifeform;hrm wrong link 1944962;1570803787;asciilifeform;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-10#1944670 . 1944963;1570803787;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-10 18:40:22 asciilifeform: !!deed http://www.loper-os.org/pub/dulap_construction_kit.txt 1944964;1570803809;diana_coman;asciilifeform: yes, but I need to get precisely same hardware too, that opteron etc. 1944965;1570803834;asciilifeform;diana_coman: nope. all you need is a box with empty space, for instance ~any 2u. 1944966;1570803860;asciilifeform;evidently i bungled even this doc. ( what other docs that i published, apparently made 0 sense ? ) 1944967;1570803872;diana_coman;asciilifeform: eh, recompile kernel to fit that, at the very least, no? 1944968;1570803886;asciilifeform;diana_coman: if intel then recompile . if amd, will run as given. 1944969;1570803933;diana_coman;hm, I suppose now I'll have to test it on various amd I have around 1944970;1570803935;mp_en_viaje;this is certainly worth checking to exhaustion, because, obviously (and if not obviously, stated above), pizarro's failure is not merely a business matter, but also has serious intellectual repercussions. 1944971;1570803963;asciilifeform;what type of machine mp_en_viaje et al use, is b/w him and odin. and i object to the implication that 'scammed' him into using particular type that is 'magically sauced'. at any pt mp_en_viaje was free to reject asciilifeform's rec and demand a different type. 1944972;1570803964;mp_en_viaje;so, i guess 1 can lay pending for a while, see what comes of this test. 1944973;1570803979;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, yes, but the problem is with "specified type". 1944974;1570803992;mp_en_viaje;not with the this-or-that. 1944975;1570804037;mp_en_viaje;IF one buys on the principle of customization, rather than commodification, THEREFORE one also buys the downstream. and, upon examination rather than theory, the downstream shows itself more expensive than thought, and may yet show itself more expensive than humanly sustainable. 1944976;1570804045;diana_coman;asciilifeform: if I got this straight, you say the "specific" here is simply "any amd" , right? 1944977;1570804049;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: the 'specified' describes strictly asciilifeform's judged machine. it is not anywhere proclaimed that 'must ONLY' on such machine. i've FG plugged into a toshiba 586 here. 1944978;1570804056;asciilifeform;diana_coman: the config as given is amdistic correct. 1944979;1570804112;mp_en_viaje;i had no objection to the run -- and paid for it ; pizarro failed. the expectation that this may be sustained in the general will need more bones and tears than mere "oh, socialism good idea poorly applied" level nonsense. 1944980;1570804179;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: again, if 'customization is dangerous b/c may end up having to physically ship irons rather than lease 'amazon'' then yes. but you knew this going into FG. but the implication that 'he scammed me into building FG' is disingenuous, FG built before piz, w/ mp_en_viaje's expert judgement & consent, and at no pt was there problem in supplying mp_en_viaje or 50+ other folx w/ it on sched. 1944981;1570804231;mp_en_viaje;i was not discussing fg specifically nor do i intend to in this context. 1944982;1570804249;mp_en_viaje;now, to continue the original diana_coman q : it seems maybe we don't have to answer this in any definitive sense just yet 1944983;1570804263;mp_en_viaje;so let's revisit it once more when you have an answer to the above. 1944984;1570804266;diana_coman;now ofc how the fuck to "test to exhaustion" here, not like I have the full range of amd and I'm not living in a dc either, ugh. 1944985;1570804324;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i was commenting primarily re the 'opteron', to point that you do not in fact ~must~ ('scammed by evil craftsman') use the particular machine ! can use 9000 diff machines. simply bother to inspect for physical space 1st. 1944986;1570804331;mp_en_viaje;your extaustion not its exhaustion. 1944987;1570804339;asciilifeform;none claimed. 1944988;1570804412;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, that work ? 1944989;1570804543;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: I am hesitating re my exhaustion because I'm not sure that is much of a measure otherwise; sure, I can and will try it at least on what I already have and if it works, there is at least that data. 1944990;1570804859;mp_en_viaje;dia i don't propose you should die with that horse. give it a fair run down, and report. 1944991;1570804859;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-11#1944894 << until you'll be too old to move ? like it was the case of symbolics folk ? 1944992;1570804859;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-11 11:24:30 asciilifeform: cuz asciilifeform too stupid to run a piz. but can have all the parts you need, w/ worldwide deliv, at cost. 1944993;1570804864;asciilifeform;if mp_en_viaje , diana_coman , et al, ran the risk/roi calculation and it only came out in favour of FG vs. intel rng because thought that piz could never die or that iron can be teleported , but w/ dead piz and realization that cannot be teleported -- goes other way, then so wills allah -- but asciilifeform objects to the accusation of 'scam'. erryone knew for what signed up. 1944994;1570804896;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: you've the compl. pcb masks etc. , anyone with basic 10 grade education can make FG . 1944995;1570804900;diana_coman;asciilifeform: why do you keep going on about the FG. Nobody said the FG were the trouble, wtf. 1944996;1570804913;mp_en_viaje;incidentally, this "ping" design whereby ONE PACKET stands for the connection, and if it is lost you're dc'd is so fucking dumb 1944997;1570804926;mp_en_viaje;i hope it will die with irc/freenode and not be perpetuated. 1944998;1570804926;mp_en_viaje;hear ye hear ye. 1944999;1570804955;asciilifeform;diana_coman: it was brought up and i'm answerable for it, by oath. 1945000;1570804999;mp_en_viaje;so my megapipe is occasionally overwhelmed. so what. "oh, if you're receiving 2Gbps just when freenode decided to issue ping, you've a 50-50 shot at an exact equialent of latechco technology of blackholing, you have to remake the whle fucking connection" holy shit where the fuck do they crawl from 1945001;1570805001;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: loox like hooligan might be sending forced tcp close in 'your' ip . 1945002;1570805009;asciilifeform;doesn't even need 1mb/s 1945003;1570805030;asciilifeform;*forged 1945004;1570805046;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, no, it's a simple statistical thing, occasionally manages to spew out enough junk so that the magic freenode packet is in the left out part of the spew 1945005;1570805059;mp_en_viaje;because obviously can't make 2gb fit in a 1gb slot 1945006;1570805082;mp_en_viaje;everything would be absolutely fine, if not for freenode misdesign, giving a damned ping packet too much power 1945007;1570805104;asciilifeform;tcp 'ftw' 1945008;1570805127;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: I'll run it, as promised on all amd around, at the very least; will at least have *something* to say after that, I guess. 1945009;1570805139;mp_en_viaje;even tcp'd have been ok by itself. the "pingpacket" thing is dumb. 1945010;1570805140;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, aite. 1945011;1570805153;mp_en_viaje;this weekend ? 1945012;1570805161;diana_coman;this freenode-issue is to my eyes quite close to the isp-issue really 1945013;1570805181;mp_en_viaje;aha. 1945014;1570805185;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: yes; I'll start today and hopefully it won't take *that* long (no real idea though). 1945015;1570805211;mp_en_viaje;it's a broken fucking mindset keeps producing the same type of error, "oh, we blackholed it". duh. because why, because in the imaginary world they live in, the cost to that is arbitratrily and self-allotedly 0. 1945016;1570805226;mp_en_viaje;aite. 1945017;1570805413;BingoBoingo;So after playing dumb with the keys recieved [http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=mr-W][this]. After the running around part of the day's tasks plan to assemble something quoting chapter and verse while at the same time requesting we both work out a way to take this mess of a contract off our books in an amicable manner without making things more expensive than necessary. In no hurry to send anything off yet. 1945018;1570805421;BingoBoingo;But still no word on WTF with the keys 1945019;1570805427;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-11#1944931 << i didn't sign up for pizarro service for a coupla years. i singed up for permanent, and built business around that assumption/ 1945020;1570805427;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-11 11:43:50 asciilifeform: if mp_en_viaje , diana_coman , et al, ran the risk/roi calculation and it only came out in favour of FG vs. intel rng because thought that piz could never die or that iron can be teleported , but w/ dead piz and realization that cannot be teleported -- goes other way, then so wills allah -- but asciilifeform objects to the accusation of 'scam'. erryone knew for what signed up. 1945021;1570805442;mp_en_viaje;now i am forced to rebuild, around new assumptions. 1945022;1570805442;mp_en_viaje;and i'd like to get the new assumptions -- if not correct ; at least closer to. 1945023;1570805458;asciilifeform;btw i agree w/ mp_en_viaje's larger pt, if folx dun get up off arse and ~use~ asciilifeform's published instructions to actually replicate his 'magical' irons -- then yes will die of bolix plague ! 1945024;1570805491;asciilifeform;dun rely on 1 d00d w/ short life expectancy , like on phf. the instructions are there, and are to be used. 1945025;1570805556;mp_en_viaje;eventually ima hve to rely on something. 1945026;1570805569;mp_en_viaje;somewhere, down the line, eventually. 1945027;1570805610;BingoBoingo; eventually ima hve to rely on something. << In light of the current mess, probably a lot of somethings available readily in volume. 1945028;1570805610;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, lmao, so they don't answer re your key but whine about your contract ? 1945029;1570805629;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, sadly ; hence the opening of the discussion. 1945030;1570805664;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: Indeed. It's like... WTF they don't expect folks to do their own manual labor and their don't expect folks to do their own reading either 1945031;1570805703;mp_en_viaje;"Inasmuch as my key doesn't work and you seem dedicated to ignoring even the lowest level of service coinceivable, I'm guessing my contract ends through your egregious breach and ends up litigated as fraud ?" 1945032;1570805855;mp_en_viaje;neways, ima bbl 1945033;1570805866;BingoBoingo;enjoy 1945034;1570805903;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: I'm still inclined to assemble chapter and verse before firing off anything. Not like another up to 48 hours of their sweat is going to damage anything. 1945035;1570808065;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile 34 KKKalifornia counties are going to lose power for up to 5 days in the name of safety. As the driving rain continues outside. 1945036;1570809362;feedbot;http://thetarpit.org/2019/welcome-to-the-tar-pit << The Tar Pit -- Welcome to The Tar Pit! again. 1945037;1570826404;BingoBoingo;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-11#1944969 << Fired off variation of this. Changed breach to breaches. 1945038;1570826404;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-11 11:57:49 mp_en_viaje: "Inasmuch as my key doesn't work and you seem dedicated to ignoring even the lowest level of service coinceivable, I'm guessing my contract ends through your egregious breach and ends up litigated as fraud ?" 1945039;1570826474;BingoBoingo;Likely going to end up having to fabricate boxes fot the servers requesting shipping, aside from the "phd assembly line" aspect doable. 1945040;1570826671;BingoBoingo;Fellow in the local network has offered to make some introductions with respect to some potential future work oportunities in country. 1945041;1570834949;*;BingoBoingo received a response http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=ASca Note 1. In some of the useless graphs they shared, it appeared IPs outside the pizarro range though inside the latech range had been targeted. Note 2. All that had been said before with respect to CenturyLink is that CenturyLink wasn't answering inqueries from either Dedicado or CenturyLink 1945042;1570836652;asciilifeform;'if your infrastructure team have been designed a more robust security solution, that why the only solution that we found, was send your IPs to a black hole' << reads like fucking pinoy tards 1945043;1570836845;mp_en_viaje;doesn't seem like it needs an answer tbh. 1945044;1570837034;mp_en_viaje;maybe, i guess, something like "I'm happy you understand the significant financial liabilty your misbehaviour over the past week exposes you to. We may consider a significant compensation offer ; but in principle we'd much rather pursue the matter through the legal system, so as to bring you as close to never being able to perpetuate such in the future as at all possible." 1945045;1570837101;mp_en_viaje;and, i suppose, file a complaint for theft with your local police station, listing what you recall of what they made off with "and others", and whatever, $10k or w/e the aggregate cost fairly was. 1945046;1570837141;mp_en_viaje;or just walk away from it altogether, if you don't feel like dedicating however many weeks/months of your future life to raming the baton up some anon idiots' asshole. 1945047;1570837524;BingoBoingo;Well, they can sweat this weekend. I would rather not dedicate my life forever to ramming the baton up the assholes, but delivering the breaking of the balls this week... It's been more than cathartic. My parents dun went and raised me wrong. 1945048;1570838214;mp_en_viaje;sure. 1945049;1570840839;BingoBoingo;I'm going to start shifting gears towards other parts of the cleanup while they sweat. 1945050;1570841119;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Since this collapse started and this Maxi fellow appeared... Based on the Monday sit down Maxi would be a walking talking tort generator in a common law jurisdiction. Here in this Roman law jurisdiction he seems to be actively generating breaches, non-performance, and faltas. He's been shooting from the hip and clearly been a detriment to his apparently absentee boss. 1945051;1570841155;mp_en_viaje;basically place got its careerwoman/retard, they tend to ruin things in exactly this manner. 1945052;1570841164;BingoBoingo;By contrast Based on the Monday sit down, if Oscar was empowered to act as a telecom manager in the way his title suggests... Maybe the week could have played out differently. Then again if I had a magic clicker that reset time back five minutes every time I clacked it, I may have never made it past age 5 or 13 much less 30 due to juvenile min-max attempts. But hypotheticals are hypotheticals. 1945053;1570841173;mp_en_viaje;inflexible self-righeous stupidty or however you'd call it 1945054;1570841196;mp_en_viaje;precious cuntlet-ism 1945055;1570841198;BingoBoingo;The remaining months of the contract, if they'd performed would have grossed for them maybe enough for them to get an ancient VW "Kombi" in the local automotive market that may or may not run. Maxi's "we want to work in an amicable way to finish this contract" sounds a lot like they want to say "please pay us to term even though we have become non-performant" while at the same time betraying the lack of balls and/or justification for 1945056;1570841198;BingoBoingo;them to be paid. 1945057;1570841262;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, nah, it reads like "legal told us we'll prolly end up paying through the nose and we told them we know better an' now gonna prove it! PEOPLE DO ANYTHING WE TELL THEM TO!!!" 1945058;1570841357;BingoBoingo;Maybe I'm projecting too much from having seen his face go pale, but... my Maxi simulator with its admitedly small data set... it reads hedging and fear. 1945059;1570841370;mp_en_viaje;exactly. 1945060;1570841510;BingoBoingo;At some point earlier I did name drop Doctors Tristan Narvaja and Eduardo Acevedo Maturana as the authors of some good prose. The local civil code is the first guy's work. Local commercial code a collaboration, but mostly the second guy. 1945061;1570841662;BingoBoingo;I suspect they do not have a legal department at their present staffing level. 1945062;1570841688;BingoBoingo;They almost certainly depend on outside counsel. 1945063;1570842371;BingoBoingo;I've been sent uniformative graphs that list IPs suggesting that whatever happened to the network, it didn't happen to my portion of Latecho's range alone per addresses printed on the graphics they sent. Here in the dark, hypotheses were made, but no useful information was ever delivered. 1945064;1570848357;asciilifeform;!!deed http://www.loper-os.org/pub/dulap_construction_kit_r2.txt 1945065;1570848362;deedbot;accepted: 1 1945066;1570848408;asciilifeform;^ mainly for diana_coman . physically tested on a 'e350' amd, excavated for the occasion. req'd 0 changes to kernel config !! 1945067;1570849063;asciilifeform;if diana_coman et al ask , i'ma make a 1-stick mechanized installer for this . presently is hand-cranked recipe . 1945068;1570849075;*;asciilifeform to bed. 1945069;1570858407;lobbes;in other news, I have resurrected mah blog. Now with new name: http://www.krankendenken.com/ (208.76.255.66) 1945070;1570858409;lobbes;("blog.lobbesblog" was indeed [http://www.krankendenken.com/2019/09/in-which-orphan-eric-learns-the-value-of-negotiable-instruments-and-saving-in-capital-goods/#comment-107][clunky] so I figured I'd take this opportunity to rebrand) 1945071;1570858416;lobbes;likewise, I've got a RedirectMatch set up that is pointing all old blog.lobbesblog links to the new url (assuming I don't change my permalink structure). Everything seems to be functional (server-side select, footnotes) except for the archives dropdown, for whatever reason. Not very pertinent though, so I'll worry about that later. 1945072;1570858456;lobbes;spyked: speaking of, would you be able to update feedbot for new feed? http://www.krankendenken.com/feed/ 1945073;1570866199;diana_coman;asciilifeform: can happily report success on the very same amd fx ! 1945074;1570866224;diana_coman;so at least one amd successfully en-dulapped 1945075;1570867303;spyked;lobbes, all done! new feed looks in order from this side, lemme know if you notice anything wrong 1945076;1570867644;diana_coman;ah, krankendenken got switched in place in private subscribes too, yee; thank you spyked. 1945077;1570868091;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, your tireless effort to help bridge minigame over is indeed quite touching. 1945078;1570869691;diana_coman;asciilifeform: python version on dulap is 3.5.4 though or what happened here?! 1945079;1570870076;diana_coman;fwiw: eselect python list shows 3.5 in use and indeed a 2.7 as fallback. 1945080;1570873572;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/why-the-females-of-any-sexuate-species-are-necessarily-going-to-be-lazy-stupid-and-annoying/ << Trilema -- Why the females of any sexuate species are necessarily going to be lazy, stupid and annoying. 1945081;1570880497;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: in evil-saboteur-craftsman guild, we have this custom. not done yet tho, apparently even this recipe contains mistake. currently vivisecting. 1945082;1570880707;mp_en_viaje;for some reason the detergent here smells like bubblegum, i smell like i've spent yesterday evening knee deep in thirteen year old and trying to re-collect all my shit strewn all over the place is like looking for car playing card things 1945083;1570880743;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, custom nothing, it's on the list of your very personal peculiarities, if it ever was a custom it went out with the divine right of kings 1945084;1570880798;mp_en_viaje;even as we speak the dumb cunts over at uruguay are "trying to resolve amiably" through the age old process of "we fuck shit up and you agree with us it's okay" 1945085;1570880817;asciilifeform;well mp_en_viaje works on bringin' back kings, i'ma meanwhile this. brb, sawing apart testbed. 1945086;1570881145;mp_en_viaje;aite, ima bbl. 1945087;1570888485;*;asciilifeform finally fixed that gentoo, and while it uploads to snail box... 1945088;1570888564;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: aside from 'help diana_coman get smg despite isp lost at sea' in general , not being a latech, asciilifeform wants to make proper 'walls', rather than ' asciilifeform holds up the wall ' walls. in the spirit of 'publish fg schems' etc. 1945089;1570888578;asciilifeform;cuz 'builder holds up walls' is retarded. 1945090;1570888703;asciilifeform;e.g. the logger, already transitioned from 'hold-up wall' to 'wall', ideally erry useful product similar. 1945091;1570897007;asciilifeform;update re that gentoo : appears to meet req ; will deed updated recipe after item fully put through paces on diana_coman's side . 1945092;1570897061;asciilifeform;( full thrd in #o , for anyone else requiring this item ; tho iirc no one but diana_coman & asciilifeform used ) 1945093;1570897260;lobbes;ty spyked 1945094;1570910243;hanbot_abroad;good evening, you chaps. 1945095;1570910310;hanbot_abroad;BingoBoingo did y'all manage some sort of UY1 interim access scheme? can i ssh thar now/sometime soon? 1945096;1570910432;*;hanbot_abroad is gravely behind on logs, having been wringing germany out in the bathtub to see if a drop of sanity is left here somewhere. 1945097;1570910976;diana_coman;hanbot_abroad: heh, how many drops came out of ze germans? 1945098;1570911133;hanbot_abroad;ein: nur fur brezeln. ;/ 1945099;1570911203;hanbot_abroad;it's like...deutschentina over here. 1945100;1570911326;diana_coman;ahahah, that's hard to quite picture a deutch-latino mixture 1945101;1570911526;hanbot_abroad;you know? and yet, overtolerance and complacency end up lookin' the same anywhere, like a semi-opaque film. 1945102;1570911724;diana_coman;hmm, I can see how that can end up the same actually, yes; the absence is the same after all, regardless of path to it and even of surrounding artefacts I suppose. 1945103;1570911980;hanbot_abroad;yeah. the surrounding artefacts are still there! just...kinda sadly muffled from beneath the surface, unable to be relevant in the context of the overpopulated stupidities that surround them. 1945104;1570912840;BingoBoingo;hanbot_abroad: I'm about to dive into the CentOS anybox again now that I've sourced a bunch of inexpensive diamond grind/cut bits and have them in hand. 1945105;1570912921;hanbot_abroad;cool 1945106;1570913070;BingoBoingo;In erred in interpreting http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-10#1944577 as leading to some other arrangement being preferable 1945107;1570913070;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-10 11:32:38 mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, aite. ill cover w/e you paid, lump it with the drive incinerations and w/e else such odds and ends. 1945108;1570913129;BingoBoingo;But apparently there's isn't much left of the world to be had. 1945109;1570913401;diana_coman;BingoBoingo: sadly that doesn't seem to be going anywhere indeed, the crowncloud guy lingers in #o but doesn't answer any q so it probably won't come to anything. 1945110;1570914415;mp_en_viaje;meanwhile in brazil, http://img2.nudedworld.com/201405/31/2116059726.jpg 1945111;1570914618;mp_en_viaje;whereas in romania, http://img2.nudedworld.com/201405/31/1750480129.jpg 1945112;1570915846;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/sadly-frankfurts-fucked/ << Trilema -- Sadly Frankfurt's fucked. 1945113;1570919483;mp_en_viaje;makes me think of http://trilema.com/2012/ziarul-gratuit-din-orasul-inutil-sau-invers/ sadly enough 1945114;1570922936;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje production server & db successfully running on my local test-setup so that part at least seems all right; tomorrow I'll look at the dev server too. 1945115;1570923061;diana_coman;all those installation notes from past times came in extremely handy indeed; a few hurdles existed, quite as expected with respect to finding again various precise versions of stuff so from now on I'll have to backup *that* too. 1945116;1570935774;asciilifeform;congrats diana_coman ! 1945117;1570935789;asciilifeform;i'ma put in deedbot the final cookbook for this, when i wakeup. 1945118;1570936046;asciilifeform;( 'this' == the old gentoo ) 1945119;1570936073;*;asciilifeform to bed. 1945120;1570938491;BingoBoingo;Sleep well. 1945121;1570947525;BingoBoingo;Aite, 'anyserver' has the right versions of apache and php finally built and working together. 1945122;1570947542;lobbes;congrats! 1945123;1570947894;feedbot;http://www.krankendenken.com/2019/10/mp-wp-bot-workplan-now-until-november-3rd/ << Krankendenken -- mp-wp bot workplan: Now until November 3rd. 1945124;1570948385;BingoBoingo;hanbot_abroad: In the next 24-36 hours I hope to have access to pass out. Once I wake up I'll run to the market where folks lay out their weird for sale looking for some things to help the coming disk clean up. Then it'll be back to knocking 'anyserver' into an interim place for blogs to see some light again. 1945125;1570951399;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, splendid! 1945126;1570951406;mp_en_viaje;and ty asciilifeform ! 1945127;1570951421;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, yay! 1945128;1570951467;mp_en_viaje;meanwhile i moved the bimbo from fetlife work to instagram work yest, on the groudns that "what the fuck, all these uppity gorgons, go talk to pretty girls at least" 1945129;1570951479;mp_en_viaje;so if anyone's into instagram talk to her 1945130;1570951530;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, i wouldn't worry THAT much about the materials, even a 5lb hammer and a chunk of rock will be sufficient. 1945131;1570952480;mp_en_viaje;aaand in other MAJOR http://trilema.com/2018/how-things-have-changed/ developments, http://www.krankendenken.com/2019/10/mp-wp-bot-workplan-now-until-november-3rd/#comment-133 stands like an absolute milestone. there's also a cultural aspect to contend with now! 1945132;1570952568;mp_en_viaje;specifically : the public statues are sufficiently elaborate, the public stellae high enough, in any case our notions and conceits sufficiently advanced to support (in my judgement) revisiting of the shitlangs, with clear deliniation as to why and what and wherefore. 1945133;1570952587;mp_en_viaje;no longer merely "do not use shitlangs, they rot the brain" but rather the much more refined "do not use shitlangs as langs, they're not that, and don't swallow, either". 1945134;1570952628;mp_en_viaje;i think a lot's been gained here. 1945135;1570959554;mp_en_viaje;in other lulz, i suspect about half of the ru ip space is "soft" banned in germany, constant "inexplciable" service interruptions etc. can't eg load archive.is most of the time, and so on 1945136;1570961392;spyked;mp_en_viaje, lobbes: re. digging into mp-wp coad, it happens I have an article in the works on exactly that (emerging from the [http://thetarpit.org/2019/welcome-to-the-tar-pit#comment-130][editor weird]). /me will try to get it done tomorrow 1945137;1570962636;mp_en_viaje;cool 1945138;1570973141;bvt;hi. i intend to finish the kernel rng work end of next week - then will do a dissection-writeup on what i did + vpatch. i also have to setup mpwp somewhere - this may take a bit of additional time. 1945139;1570973230;bvt;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945073 << the only problem i ever encountered is project gutenberg blocking germany, but no problems with archive.is 1945140;1570973231;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-13 06:42:11 mp_en_viaje: in other lulz, i suspect about half of the ru ip space is "soft" banned in germany, constant "inexplciable" service interruptions etc. can't eg load archive.is most of the time, and so on 1945141;1570982343;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: yw ! 1945142;1570982349;asciilifeform;!!deed http://www.loper-os.org/pub/dulap_construction_kit_r4.txt 1945143;1570982354;deedbot;accepted: 1 1945144;1570982382;asciilifeform;^ latest draft of recipe, as tested by asciilifeform and then diana_coman . 1945145;1570984522;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: can report that dev server is also built and had a test run locally with dev client; compilation there messier because of the whole stuff with gnat. 1945146;1570984709;mp_en_viaje;aha 1945147;1570984711;mp_en_viaje;but yay! 1945148;1570984750;mp_en_viaje;ok so basically we answer the original q with "well, we're married with amds and using above deeded recipe" ? 1945149;1570984874;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: pretty much, yes. 1945150;1570984881;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: with 5-6 flags in the kern conf, item could stand on even intel boxen. ( asciilifeform simply boycotts intelism ) . the other item to add is that i'm making a single-usbstick installer, also supporting serial console, for to simplify installation on leased machines ( typically telekvm permits use of ~one~ 'virtual' disk. ) 1945151;1570984910;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, was the item you applied actually and formally the item deeded ? 1945152;1570984932;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, sounds like a good idea yeah 1945153;1570984949;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: I have on my list to attempt recipe on intel too - if I find some time for it; it wasn't burning and it's one of those "only if deemed worth to know" 1945154;1570984974;asciilifeform;diana_coman: if you need an intel version, plz lemme know, i in fact excavated a 'xeon' recently on which can be tried. 1945155;1570984993;mp_en_viaje;i'm sorry that emergency continuation required you to leak most of the ip you built for pizarro. 1945156;1570985015;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: I'll have to check, since he deeded now I think "latest version"; previously I used his deeded version + tweak for fuckgoats & my kbd 1945157;1570985016;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: lol 'leak ip', how about 'civilize barbaric voodoo into published tool' 1945158;1570985024;mp_en_viaje;als 1945159;1570985026;mp_en_viaje;o 1945160;1570985050;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, important to make sure there's no splits whatsoever, now, when fresh in memory 1945161;1570985066;mp_en_viaje;if we have to fix in say 18 months, we'll spend days in this "oh god damned recipe is not useful" vicious circle 1945162;1570985072;diana_coman;indeed; I'll check today after a bit of a needed break. 1945163;1570985075;mp_en_viaje;kk 1945164;1570985088;mp_en_viaje;100% same thing or no good 1945165;1570985093;asciilifeform;this is good point mp_en_viaje , i'd like to know if something omitted before others (e.g. BingoBoingo) attempt to fire the thing. 1945166;1570985129;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: yes; I'll check it against my notes too. 1945167;1570985134;mp_en_viaje;cool 1945168;1570985234;diana_coman;asciilifeform: re intel, I have an old intel excavated out and waiting to have this set on it, if I get around to do it. 1945169;1570985237;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i'ma mechanize as much of the process as is practical, but wanted to get the hand-cranked ver. out for review/test asap. hence the 'nao add 3 spoons of sugar' etc. headaches. 1945170;1570985273;mp_en_viaje;ic 1945171;1570985281;asciilifeform;diana_coman: should need adjustment only in kernel flags : no amd-exclusive cpu instrs were used in building the binaries (given the vintage of the cpu targeted, none exist such that would fall into this trap) 1945172;1570985336;asciilifeform;the item strictly-as-given is expected to function on any 64bit amd ( asciilifeform's test bed was a 'e350', circa 2010 . ) 1945173;1570985414;asciilifeform;diana_coman's was a [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-11#1005653]['fx'] . 1945174;1570985415;ossabot;(ossasepia) 2019-10-11 diana_coman: wtf can't quite find the thing; the motherboard is Asus M5A78L-M PLUS/USB3 HDMI Motherboard; the cpu is AMD FX-8350 Eight Core to 4.2GHz 1945175;1570985444;diana_coman;asciilifeform: I've set it up also on another fx (slightly diff number) on a gigabyte board 1945176;1570985454;diana_coman;that was test no 2 yest 1945177;1570985463;asciilifeform;aa, neato 1945178;1570985616;asciilifeform;so far only oddity reported seems to be [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-12#1005902][ where diana_coman had a keyboard that wouldn't go ] , tho [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-12#1005937][ asciilifeform could not reproduce ] . 1945179;1570985616;ossabot;(ossasepia) 2019-10-12 diana_coman: I looked about, changed the one for my usual kbd (the emergency ps kbd is not that comfy on fingers) and otherwise looked around but I didn't see something directly needed/to change 1945180;1570985617;ossabot;(ossasepia) 2019-10-12 asciilifeform: tried even last night several usb kbd, all worked. 1945181;1570985654;*;asciilifeform bbl:meat 1945182;1570994782;diana_coman;asciilifeform: at point 3-2 I started the boot partition at 32 (because lilo needs 0-31) 1945183;1570994926;diana_coman;asciilifeform: between 3-8 and 3-10 I needed the obv mkdir /mnt/usb 1945184;1570994941;diana_coman;for that matter, there's 3-9 missing, lol 1945185;1570995065;diana_coman;asciilifeform: at 3-19, argh, put in there [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-12#1005940][the exact place of pl2303 in kernel], it was annoying enough to have to track it down once. 1945186;1570995066;ossabot;(ossasepia) 2019-10-12 diana_coman: ah, found it; it's in device drivers/usb support/usb serial converter support/usb prolific shit 1945187;1570995412;diana_coman;asciilifeform: at 3-20, this wasn't true: there was still the change from linear to lba32 1945188;1570995553;asciilifeform;diana_coman: this i fixed in the r2 tarball's /etc/lilo.conf 1945189;1570995557;diana_coman;asciilifeform: I'd still rather put the content than just the link, why make the recipe utterly dependent on the logger being up, anyways? eg at 3-29, put in the reference but also just the [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2018-08-01#1838781][required option] 1945190;1570995557;ossabot;Logged on 2018-08-01 12:53:52 asciilifeform: dwc_otg.speed=1 on kernel param line. 1945191;1570995604;asciilifeform;diana_coman: good point (tho that part imho really belongs on FG www page; sadly it is lost at sea atm) 1945192;1570995610;*;diana_coman goes to check lilo.conf 1945193;1570995658;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i'd like to put as much as possible correct config in the tarball, rather than have user '1st fix a, then fix b, etc' 1945194;1570995683;diana_coman;it might belong there also, sure; still, I'd rather have it in recipe too; for that matter there is still the companion thing, might need to add a note at the very least 1945195;1570995716;asciilifeform;diana_coman: in the single-stick item i'm baking atm, there is a dir where all the turnable-knob configs are in , and copied to the new disk as part of install. so user can set'em up beforehand, rather than to work inside the chroot. 1945196;1570995760;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i'ma also include prebuilt kernel in this one, so that if no adjustment is req'd, the (potentially hours) taken up by build of the kernel, can be avoided in installation 1945197;1570995802;diana_coman;asciilifeform: the mirrors I have in my /etc/portage/make.conf after getting rid of dead ones + adding at least one with required mysql: gentoo.gossamerhost.com gentoo.supp.name mirror.neolabs.kz/gentoo/pub mirrors.xservers.ro/gentoo/ gentoo/bloodhost.ru gentoo.wheel.sk bbgentoo.ilb.ru 1945198;1570995813;asciilifeform;ty diana_coman , i'ma include these in place of the dead. 1945199;1570995818;diana_coman;I think this last russian one had the mysql/I quite distinctly remember adding it 1945200;1570995841;asciilifeform;ideally ( as said already by diana_coman in #o ) we abolish the req for external mirrors. 1945201;1570995903;diana_coman;aha; I actually had the mysql precise thing in one of the backups but rather deeply burried so at the time of the test I went with this mirror; but as I was saying, by default I rather tend to unplug the network cable when installing systems. 1945202;1570995996;asciilifeform;diana_coman: lemme know if the r4 recipe is in fact insufficient for the current smg process , i'ma then revise. otherwise i'ma proceed with the streamlined 1stick thing, it will be tested later in the wk , w/ own hands and anyone else who wants this type of sys. 1945203;1570996073;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945126 - confirmed, this is indeed fixed in r2. 1945204;1570996074;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-13 16:42:11 asciilifeform: diana_coman: this i fixed in the r2 tarball's /etc/lilo.conf 1945205;1570996106;asciilifeform;diana_coman: fwiw i used network in testbed solely to get shell on the box, did not 'emerge' etc. anyffin. 1945206;1570996239;asciilifeform;diana_coman: python selector is also set in r2 tar, plox to confirm. 1945207;1570996296;diana_coman;asciilifeform: for eulora I need: app-misc/screen, ftjam, net-misc/curl (that runs into the openssl shit), dev-db/mysql (5.6.39 or earlier) + cs and cal3d but those are frozen versions/not portage anyway 1945208;1570996309;diana_coman;asciilifeform: python selector fine, confirmed. 1945209;1570996345;asciilifeform;curl oughta be put in the sealed canister imho. 1945210;1570996362;asciilifeform;(i snapshotted dulap even before emerged curl!) 1945211;1570996362;diana_coman;for eulora dev and therefore next, there is also gnat, ofc. 1945212;1570996378;asciilifeform;diana_coman: do we want ave1's last gnat in the canister ? 1945213;1570996389;asciilifeform;(say in e.g. /opt/gnat) 1945214;1570996393;diana_coman;asciilifeform: iirc last gnat is static-only, isn't it? 1945215;1570996404;asciilifeform;it is. and so oughta work 100% . 1945216;1570996415;diana_coman;which is nice and fine but sadly crystalspace is a mess and won't compile static only just yet :( 1945217;1570996419;asciilifeform;aaa. 1945218;1570996448;*;asciilifeform did not remember that there remained projects still relying on pre-ave1 gnat 1945219;1570996478;diana_coman;possibly I'll have to hammer it into static at some point but not yet there (it's a ball of ifdefism among other things) 1945220;1570996506;diana_coman;asciilifeform: I still use ave1 gnat, just not latest/static-only 1945221;1570996507;asciilifeform;diana_coman: possibly i oughta refrain from sealing in a gnat then, it could interfere with your process 1945222;1570996509;asciilifeform;ah 1945223;1570996554;diana_coman;asciilifeform: as far as I recall though, choosing the gnat is just a matter of setting PATH, isn't it? 1945224;1570996567;asciilifeform;diana_coman: it is. i have 4 diff gnats on the box where now sitting. 1945225;1570996571;diana_coman;ie set first in path the desired one and that's it 1945226;1570996576;asciilifeform;this requires a certain amt of user fiddling tho. 1945227;1570996580;asciilifeform;and yes. 1945228;1570996587;diana_coman;so I don't see a big problem with including a gnat in the canister 1945229;1570996595;asciilifeform;then will include. 1945230;1570996606;asciilifeform;vtron imho also oughta go in. and gpg 1.4.10 . 1945231;1570996620;diana_coman;well, I'd love to get at some point to static-only, so ... 1945232;1570996630;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945131 << this is a sound principle anyways. 1945233;1570996631;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-13 16:43:57 asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'd like to put as much as possible correct config in the tarball, rather than have user '1st fix a, then fix b, etc' 1945234;1570996641;*;asciilifeform begins to suspect that he's making a 'cheap chinese cuntoo', maybe this is Wrong Thing 1945235;1570996661;asciilifeform;really folx oughta thrust, imho, into actual cuntoo, when this is practical, rather than to persist with asciilifeform's old piece 1945236;1570996669;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945133 << problem with "work inside chroot" is well documented in a meanwhile lost hanbot articler 1945237;1570996669;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-13 16:44:55 asciilifeform: diana_coman: in the single-stick item i'm baking atm, there is a dir where all the turnable-knob configs are in , and copied to the new disk as part of install. so user can set'em up beforehand, rather than to work inside the chroot. 1945238;1570996705;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945134 << then put hashes in the deed too. 1945239;1570996705;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-13 16:45:39 asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'ma also include prebuilt kernel in this one, so that if no adjustment is req'd, the (potentially hours) taken up by build of the kernel, can be avoided in installation 1945240;1570996708;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: chroots are tricky , but there is a very limited use of'em in the r4 recipe (where could not avoid.) 1945241;1570996745;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: hash of entire image, goes in the recipe (as in r4) but really any included items also oughta indiv. 1945242;1570996762;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945135 << the risk with enumerating such is that nao any slashdot "buyer" / malware distributor has a list to work off of. 1945243;1570996762;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-13 16:46:20 diana_coman: asciilifeform: the mirrors I have in my /etc/portage/make.conf after getting rid of dead ones + adding at least one with required mysql: gentoo.gossamerhost.com gentoo.supp.name mirror.neolabs.kz/gentoo/pub mirrors.xservers.ro/gentoo/ gentoo/bloodhost.ru gentoo.wheel.sk bbgentoo.ilb.ru 1945244;1570996781;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, any indiv binaries imo, esp discrete pieces which "so as to save hours". 1945245;1570996786;asciilifeform;esp. these. 1945246;1570996794;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: honestly, ~any mirror is dog-food 1945247;1570996799;mp_en_viaje;yeah. 1945248;1570996814;mp_en_viaje;im not saying don't do it, i'm... well, im not even fucking sure what i'm saying. the thought occured. 1945249;1570996823;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: the mirrors are used to pull down tarballs for which in the image 'portage' already contains frozen hashes. but really these oughta be abolished, and all tarballs to be present on install stick. 1945250;1570996831;mp_en_viaje;eys. 1945251;1570996844;asciilifeform;mirrors suck if only by wasting time, they have life expectancy of laboratory rat 1945252;1570996885;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: observe, i cooked this image 2y ago, and all of the mirrors which then were alive, today dead. 1945253;1570996905;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945139 << this is golden standard anyway, recipe that dun live up to it can only really be used by bimbos for bimbo toys. not 0-value, but still. 1945254;1570996905;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-13 16:48:02 diana_coman: aha; I actually had the mysql precise thing in one of the backups but rather deeply burried so at the time of the test I went with this mirror; but as I was saying, by default I rather tend to unplug the network cable when installing systems. 1945255;1570996921;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, yeah, the worthlessness of child's net aka www is well documented on trilema also. 1945256;1570996985;mp_en_viaje;pretty much only thing it's for is to fish http://trilema.com/2019/sadly-frankfurts-fucked/?b=beautifully%20shaped&e=Ethiopian%20girl#select off of. 1945257;1570997006;mp_en_viaje;(speaking of which, isn't the select mechanism beautiful in how it ~supplants anchors~!!!) 1945258;1570997026;asciilifeform;anchors barely worked at all 1945259;1570997044;asciilifeform;(consider the still-unresolved 'log url scheme' quandary ) 1945260;1570997119;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945172 - asciilifeform , are you saying that you can do same with cuntoo directly? 1945261;1570997120;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-13 17:00:20 asciilifeform: begins to suspect that he's making a 'cheap chinese cuntoo', maybe this is Wrong Thing 1945262;1570997182;asciilifeform;but to revisit [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945173][upstack] -- i pulled this item off shelf to help diana_coman , who has legacy softs that are known not to work in cuntoo. and for own needs, because my attempts to bake a working cuntoo have failed ( and take ~day or so to even fire off, so difficult so far to debug . ) 1945263;1570997183;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-13 17:00:39 asciilifeform: really folx oughta thrust, imho, into actual cuntoo, when this is practical, rather than to persist with asciilifeform's old piece 1945264;1570997196;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945145 << you can install curl without ssh/ssl ; and use it without also (curl --k) 1945265;1570997196;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-13 16:54:35 diana_coman: asciilifeform: for eulora I need: app-misc/screen, ftjam, net-misc/curl (that runs into the openssl shit), dev-db/mysql (5.6.39 or earlier) + cs and cal3d but those are frozen versions/not portage anyway 1945266;1570997245;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945156 << we're moving off of it, but it is a LARGE spot of work. 1945267;1570997246;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-13 16:57:07 asciilifeform: did not remember that there remained projects still relying on pre-ave1 gnat 1945268;1570997264;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: iirc trinque had an experimental cuntoo variant that was built with '-ssh' ban flag. will see what he says when wakes up re this subj 1945269;1570997271;asciilifeform;err, -ssl 1945270;1570997272;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: the problem is that the recipe makes a system on which openssl is *already installed* 1945271;1570997293;asciilifeform;diana_coman: indeed. off the shelf gentoo includes it, because mirrors tend to be sslistic 1945272;1570997297;mp_en_viaje;grand problem with c-anything is that there's no php-like "lulz, three stiches and a dab, you'll be done in five hours). anythng, ANYTHING, even something as simple as "make the fucking int datatypes match across the code" turn into multi-week, 100+ hour projects. 1945273;1570997304;diana_coman;otherwise yes, I had banned in on the previous smg test server and simply got on with libressl 1945274;1570997317;mp_en_viaje;don 1945275;1570997327;mp_en_viaje;t need even that for curl specifically. curl will work with no crypto. 1945276;1570997334;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: entirely correct. for instance, after adding a ban flag, to bring the system into conformance with it takes a 'rebuild world', i.e. 2-3 day process. 1945277;1570997337;asciilifeform;(and that's simply cpu time) 1945278;1570997368;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: hm; some dependencies seemed to pull in some crypto; didn't fully investigate to see if they can in turn work without etc, perhaps yes. 1945279;1570997386;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: is why it took asciilifeform several months to derive the original set of ban flags. 1945280;1570997399;mp_en_viaje;since eulora actually uses tmsr crypto anyway, imo it is worth trying an empire-crypto-less system for it. 1945281;1570997422;mp_en_viaje;not necessarily right nao, but as a design principle. 1945282;1570997427;asciilifeform;( ftr 99% of why asciilifeform ~even used~ gentoos , is the ability to ban-flag / peg versions of packages with fine grain ) 1945283;1570997435;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, i can see it. 1945284;1570997444;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: for given recipe, this required at the very least a rebuild world and given the goal of checking if indeed can bring up both servers, preferably sooner rather than later, I did not attempt that. 1945285;1570997453;mp_en_viaje;yeah. 1945286;1570997490;*;asciilifeform specifically omitted discussion of adjustments that would require 'world rebuilds', it would catastrophically delay diana_coman et al. but eventually will have to be discussed, in re: e.g. ssl removal. 1945287;1570997577;asciilifeform;this is 1 of the items that actually wins from the use of inexpensive leased boxen tho. can have multiple staging units where worlds are rebuilding while other work carries on, potentially. 1945288;1570997625;mp_en_viaje;forinstance. 1945289;1570997643;*;asciilifeform did this, when baking ' asciilifeform's gentoo ', but most of what's hanging from asciilifeform's lan is pretty slow cpuwise 1945290;1570997655;mp_en_viaje;god i fucking love my blog. i get lost in here, for hours, reading old articles. 1945291;1570997663;mp_en_viaje;i suspect trilema is actually my colt, retirement plan. 1945292;1570997680;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i tend to spend 20-30m reading old mp_en_viaje pieces when waking up 1945293;1570997699;asciilifeform;there's 'bottomless' barrel there. 1945294;1570997719;mp_en_viaje;yah, imagine man of the futuretrying to do tlp-adnotation on trilema. 1945295;1570997744;asciilifeform;hey archaeologists aint even done ~reading~ e.g. k. f. gauss, last i knew 1945296;1570997752;mp_en_viaje;i'd be curious to see what mechanical panopticons they built to help with the process, because trying to flatten the web of reference and context is quite the expexplosion. 1945297;1570997766;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, aha. mostly gave up afaik. 1945298;1570997774;asciilifeform;( and gauss, did not even have typewriter ! ) 1945299;1570997784;mp_en_viaje;this is also the problem -- not webfacing. 1945300;1570997805;asciilifeform;'royal society minutes' sorta web-facing. yet not even this, i suspect, 100% read yet. 1945301;1570997810;asciilifeform;esp. by folx w/ a clue. 1945302;1570997823;mp_en_viaje;i expect not/ 1945303;1570997839;mp_en_viaje;funny thing is, ~only known method to getting a clue is same. 1945304;1570997852;mp_en_viaje;hence ~reading~ at oxford. 1945305;1570997875;asciilifeform;is how one gets 'a clue', neh. from them clue-mines. 1945306;1570997886;mp_en_viaje;(no joke but plainest deadpan : original conception of ur-anglouniversity was attempt to read buried texts of classics) 1945307;1570997903;asciilifeform;nobody cancelled it.. 1945308;1570997944;*;asciilifeform realizes that this is rather 'petrological' vision of knowledge. 'dinosaurs died an' liquified, nao we pump'em.' but what can do, when little in the way of new ones walking around. 1945309;1570998111;*;asciilifeform recently, when 'took r&r break' briefly, unearthed that apparently r. boyle was accused by t. hobbes of, essentially, of [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2017-01-09#1600186]['cyclotron'], for introducing the (expensive, at the time) air pump as a centerpiece of royal society demos. pretty interesting vintage wank. 1945310;1570998112;ossabot;Logged on 2017-01-09 23:11:59 mircea_popescu: is this where your hatred of cyclotrons was nursed ? 1945311;1570998197;asciilifeform;i had nfi that hobbes had anyffin useful to say. but apparently did, and was actually right, that pump ended up trigger for 'need mega-funding' failure cascade leading to, arguably, today's 'eotvos' et al. 1945312;1570998202;mp_en_viaje;the french had an equiv problem, "lavoisier equipment too expensive, why tells us we are poor" 1945313;1570998221;asciilifeform;100y after, aha 1945314;1570998232;mp_en_viaje;fact of the matter is that if you wanna write about frankfrurt, you eitehr go to frankfurt or stfu. 1945315;1570998238;asciilifeform;but the crack in the pavement apparently started w/ boyle's. 1945316;1570998257;mp_en_viaje;there's no room for "i feel my dick should be able to go where mp's goes on the grounds of... well, it being MY dick" 1945317;1570998260;asciilifeform;d00d's air pump was worse 'craftsman voodoo' than just about anyffing today. 1945318;1570998271;asciilifeform;for a period, ~nobody could properly replicate. 1945319;1570998288;mp_en_viaje;for a period nobody could properly replicate anything. in ru this extended to like 1955 1945320;1570998304;asciilifeform;fella is today 'mega-chemist' , but he did not even publish recipe for his sealing cement (apparently used rotten cheese or some wtf) and folx were stuck reverse-engineering. 1945321;1570998379;asciilifeform;such poor was the sealant, that he ended up keeping the old controversy of 'horror vacui' alive (vessel wouldn't stay evacuated) 1945322;1570998387;mp_en_viaje;what next, "astronomy should be limited to what all men can see with own eyes", part and parcel of "service should be in whatever barbarbar my mommy spoke to me" ? 1945323;1570998424;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: that'd be 1 tard-extreme ( illustrated by hobbes. ) 1945324;1570998432;mp_en_viaje;myeah 1945325;1570998476;asciilifeform;( other extreme, is today's 'shuddup, cern can physics and y'all go home, slice-lengthwise!11' ) 1945326;1570998476;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945102 - as per this and given the [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945120][diff notes], still needs changes & re-deed 1945327;1570998477;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-13 13:47:47 mp_en_viaje: 100% same thing or no good 1945328;1570998477;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-13 16:29:21 diana_coman: asciilifeform: at point 3-2 I started the boot partition at 32 (because lilo needs 0-31) 1945329;1570998512;asciilifeform;diana_coman: can you post your amended ver. plox ? i'ma diff, read, sign . 1945330;1570998555;diana_coman;uhm, then why did I dump changes in log, lolz. 1945331;1570998571;mp_en_viaje;you can physics just fine. go, figure out magnetism. you can't, however, high energy particle physics without EITHER the high energy particles or an einsteinian knack for clueless prophecy / newtonian grasp on maths. but even if 2nd lobe, still will need 1st lobe confirmation. this is unavoidable. 1945332;1570998571;diana_coman;will do it tomorrow if needed, ok. 1945333;1570998577;asciilifeform;diana_coman: is '32' the only omission ? 1945334;1570998592;diana_coman;asciilifeform: see from there down, there's a few more, arguably more important too 1945335;1570998599;*;asciilifeform loox again 1945336;1570998666;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i'ma incorporate the linked items (apparently missed on 1st pass) but will wait for final verdict from diana_coman in next 2d if no one else is in a burning hurry to have recipe. 1945337;1570998686;asciilifeform;as it is i've abused deedbot . 1945338;1570998707;diana_coman;asciilifeform: ok. 1945339;1570998795;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: right, and worse still, not even 'reduce magnetism', but even simpler problems remain open, e.g. 'why does supercon.' simply there aint any newton-grade folx involved in the field anymoar, all that's left is the 'throw particles against wall and type output into 'ms-excel' folx. 1945340;1570998835;mp_en_viaje;the one remaining major impediment to actually bringing eulora back up is that... well, gotta find actual dc. and eh... eulora being game server has all sorta code we intend to stay secret ~permanently~, it's not so simple. 1945341;1570998849;mp_en_viaje;pizarro failure hurts not merely technologically, but also custodianly. 1945342;1570998870;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: at this rate, the sad dc asciilifeform decided to move his www to (bmor) might be the 1st to stand up. and it's ungodly slow. 1945343;1570998878;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, this is pretty much so. i know of no actual physicists still working. 1945344;1570998902;mp_en_viaje;there's the conference remnants, greatly beloved for purely prop-qualities, hawkings et al. but no real muscle left. 1945345;1570998907;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i know some ~ex~ physicists. but they're all 80yo d00dz whose 'work' mainly is to water their gardens nao. 1945346;1570998913;mp_en_viaje;right. 1945347;1570998915;asciilifeform;h died. 1945348;1570998932;asciilifeform;( last yr iirc ) 1945349;1570998952;mp_en_viaje;a ? must've been a blow to the rubber chicken salesmen. 1945350;1570998975;asciilifeform;well consider, you didn't notice that he was dead. wasn't much of a runner in recent decades. 1945351;1570999048;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: 'stay seekrit 4evah' coades prolly oughta run from ramdisk, imho. 1945352;1570999056;asciilifeform;( feed it in when box powers up. ) 1945353;1570999087;mp_en_viaje;sure, but a box locked by a wot man offers the golden standard. 1945354;1570999105;asciilifeform;there's no beating this , tru 1945355;1570999117;asciilifeform;( but ideal, 'wot man' + 'from ramdisk' imho still. ) 1945356;1570999132;mp_en_viaje;sure. 1945357;1570999138;asciilifeform;that way if dc roof caves or whatnot, and street urchings gather up the rubble... 1945358;1570999154;mp_en_viaje;ideal is jam on toast. without jam, can have toast. without toast, can have oral sex. 1945359;1570999171;asciilifeform;'without mouth...' 1945360;1570999186;mp_en_viaje;nfi what the fuck we'll do, but anyways. "being worked up-on" 1945361;1570999503;*;asciilifeform rages re the bmoar people, wtf, asked'em simple q : 'how does ddos play into yer per-packet billing scheme' prior to subscribing simple box w/ own www ; nao 3d waiting for answer... 1945362;1570999549;asciilifeform;'answers' included 'i must ask the boss, thank you for patience' etc claptrap. 1945363;1570999580;asciilifeform;if this carries on , i'ma send it to maxim's 1945364;1570999602;asciilifeform;still want a reach-with-hands 'postbox' tho ! 1945365;1570999651;asciilifeform;and this is merely asciilifeform's [http://www.loper-os.org/][human www] , which direly needs moving, not even speaking of mighty boxen w/ dozens of cpu etc 1945366;1570999707;mp_en_viaje;what do you mean "how does it play into" ? it' 1945367;1570999710;mp_en_viaje;s self evident, you pay. 1945368;1570999720;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: aa, but they have claptrap re 'ddos proof' 1945369;1570999733;mp_en_viaje;yes, through this avenue. 1945370;1570999756;asciilifeform;and 'fixed 10m pipe w/ burstings', sat for 4hrs reading various lit and still no definitive 'here's how these work' to show for it 1945371;1570999772;mp_en_viaje;you can ask for burst to turn off. 1945372;1570999781;mp_en_viaje;all this is pretty standard fare in the biz. 1945373;1570999787;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: even 'ha, you pay' comes in 2 variants, 'you get bill for $bil' and 'your acct empties in 5sec' , would at least like to know which before signing. 1945374;1570999802;mp_en_viaje;this is much better q, no need to wait 3 day for answer. 1945375;1570999806;mp_en_viaje;see how magic works ? 1945376;1570999808;asciilifeform;ikr! 1945377;1570999825;asciilifeform;and i asked'em in this very wording. and 'pleez sir have patience..' was output. 1945378;1570999828;mp_en_viaje;ask adequate qs, get faster answers ; ask self-world q, get time-wait penalty. 1945379;1570999834;mp_en_viaje;ah ? then dunno. 1945380;1570999839;asciilifeform;fuckinsnails. 1945381;1570999872;asciilifeform;'crawl, crawl, snail, on mt fuji, till you reach the very top...' (jp, 15th c.) 1945382;1570999936;mp_en_viaje;re the ddos thing of http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-11#1944835 : i believe it likely ~same dork who started original pizarro troubles ; whatever birthday hundy his mommy gave him was enough for occasional 2Gbps bursts, sub-minute in length, and otherwise 4-5Mbpm sustained over a few mins, and otherwise whole fuel tank good for ~half a day or so. 1945383;1570999936;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-11 07:50:10 mp_en_viaje: aand in other news, my interface is indeed being ddos;d, and defo related to irc 1945384;1570999963;mp_en_viaje;unmolested hence, very much 100% redditard fare. 1945385;1570999970;asciilifeform;i cannot blame woodpecker, for cardboard house. 1945386;1570999978;asciilifeform;woodpecker -- part of landscape. 1945387;1570999981;mp_en_viaje;so it is. 1945388;1571000002;mp_en_viaje;but is now in the record, i do believe original item did exist, pizarro didn't end up plugged out of thin air. 1945389;1571000013;mp_en_viaje;was, actually, one woodpecker. 1945390;1571000013;*;asciilifeform buys 1945391;1571000020;asciilifeform;!!up baitbot 1945392;1571000021;deedbot;baitbot voiced for 30 minutes. 1945393;1571000022;asciilifeform;!q uptime 1945394;1571000023;baitbot;asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 6d 0h 25m 1945395;1571000026;asciilifeform;^ this still lulzy. 1945396;1571000033;diana_coman;heh, asciilifeform, lemme replay here my note that yes, it's easy to block them and they won't come back with reply either because http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-12#1005834 1945397;1571000034;ossabot;(ossasepia) 2019-10-12 diana_coman: asciilifeform: no, the point is *before* anything; because they won't quite want to say/admit "yes, you pay for us to disconnect you" but onth if they say "no, we don't", they are in a bigger pickle when they do so... 1945398;1571000039;mp_en_viaje;pretty sure it was to large degree handcranked / eyes supervision. 1945399;1571000044;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: likely. 1945400;1571000085;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i wonder whether my entire inquiry hit the dustbin cuz mentioned 'ddos' at all. 1945401;1571000120;asciilifeform;'this d00d is ddos magnet ? do we want this' 1945402;1571000262;mp_en_viaje;quite likely, yes. 1945403;1571000268;diana_coman;I have to admit that after a while I had at least fun asking them this sort of direct questions with no-possible-reasonable-answer-oh-noez 1945404;1571000279;mp_en_viaje;"this dood seems tirekicker on low budet who now says deadwords." 1945405;1571000317;asciilifeform;naturally they'd prefer folx who walk in with 10k/mo and not ask difficult q's.. 1945406;1571000376;diana_coman;given how many there are though, I can't quite imagine this mythical "so many customers, can afford to turn down this one who says she wants several boxes, possibly rack"; nevertheless... 1945407;1571000402;mp_en_viaje;anyway, unrelatedly : for the folk awaiting trilema publication of divers reports, as were implicitly due for q3 sometime early october : i had every intention of doing them, if not by the 5th day as trad. absolute value at least sorta by 15th (as scaled value, 3x the months, 3x5 days) or something. but then, whole pizaro debacle, adding to the fact that i'm traveling and that's never so fixed a schedule (for instance, i was orig supposed to be in m 1945408;1571000402;mp_en_viaje;unchen till yest etc) resulted in a delay. 1945409;1571000412;mp_en_viaje;i still intend to publish, tentatively set for early nov. 1945410;1571000416;asciilifeform;diana_coman: this partic. shop appears to be a monopoly in ~400km radius of asciilifeform's chair. ( all the other dc, serve only lulazon, usg, etc ) 1945411;1571000427;mp_en_viaje;apologies to anyone's inconvenience from this. 1945412;1571000521;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, not problem of so many customers, but of so few. remnant poblems, see. 1945413;1571000735;*;asciilifeform was mildly surprised to have unearthed ~even that~ 1 dc 1945414;1571000751;asciilifeform;it's like they all died of plague in last decade. 1945415;1571000820;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940120 << is this when pizarro became inaccessible ? or more like late 3rd ? i seem to recall 1945416;1571000820;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-04 12:59:53 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Someone appears to be hopping around and hitting addresses. DDoS is an unsolved problem. 1945417;1571000851;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, they pretty much did. 1945418;1571000857;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: went down for-good on 6 oct. 0130 hrs (nyc time) . 1945419;1571000869;mp_en_viaje;yes but i mean start, not end. 1945420;1571000887;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: 'bumps' in the pipe began full week prior. initially latech 'explained away' as 'problem w/ upstream router', recall. 1945421;1571000923;asciilifeform;[http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-02#1939671][when.] 1945422;1571000923;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-02 18:37:50 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Issue with an upstream switch is the report. 1945423;1571000926;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940121 this pair seems the earliest actual report 1945424;1571000926;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-04 12:59:53 asciilifeform: atm that meter's fucking running but the taxi aint movin'!! 1945425;1571000935;mp_en_viaje;anyways. 1945426;1571000966;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1937934][1st swallow of spring] , there . 1945427;1571000967;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 16:55:08 asciilifeform: achtung panzers! piz pipe down ?! 1945428;1571001001;mp_en_viaje;depending how deeply one searches, there were scattered reports for 6week+ of short blinks (which eventually drove an inquiry into latech etc) 1945429;1571001023;asciilifeform;indeed. iirc that ^ 1 was the 1st long enuff to throw the logger on dulap tho . 1945430;1571001030;mp_en_viaje;aha 1945431;1571001050;asciilifeform;prev. outages, evidently, <30s ea. 1945432;1571001061;asciilifeform;no one even knows how many of those. 1945433;1571001076;asciilifeform;logger is 'canary in mine'. 1945434;1571001076;mp_en_viaje;more like 2-3 s yeah 1945435;1571001130;asciilifeform;those, asciilifeform naively wrote off as 'congestion' , aha 1945436;1571001245;mp_en_viaje;http://trilema.com/2019/naked-sluts-in-hotel-rooms-a-frank-discussion-of-harem-sexuality-the-warm-pubic-reception-of-the-general-public-and-other-typos/?b=this%20here%20is&e=now%20on#select other reference, for completeness 1945437;1571001295;asciilifeform;to complete the chronology : the 1st outage long enuff to nuke asciilifeform's monitor shell (i.e. >5m) was [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940113][on oct 4] . 1945438;1571001295;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-04 12:53:20 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: aaand my shells finally fell. 1945439;1571001352;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, i think we see ~same thing, yeh. 1945440;1571001355;asciilifeform;aha 1945441;1571001380;asciilifeform;( before there was a asciilifeform logger, the 'mine canary' was that shell, scrolling stats 24/7 since asciilifeform got off plane from pizistan ) 1945442;1571001419;asciilifeform;continuously, discounting that 1 episode w/ elbows. 1945443;1571001432;asciilifeform;until sep 25 . 1945444;1571001646;mp_en_viaje;meanwhile in enduring argentina lulz : bitcoin trading now illegal in germany, as per some derpy "state" "authority" of theirs. 1945445;1571001694;asciilifeform;lol! are they tryin' to set up a 'chinese' 'ban on tuesday, load up at discount, unban on thursday, unload on friday, repeat' 4cycle engine ? 1945446;1571001747;mp_en_viaje;possibly 1945447;1571001797;asciilifeform;germany's the arkansas of eu, innit. errything banned there... 'wolfenstein' prolly still banned. 1945448;1571001802;mp_en_viaje;what else is [http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-make-money-on-the-internet-while-pretending-you-know-what-youre-talking-about-and-accumulating-a-legion-of-mindless-followers-for-fun-and-profit/][a following] for, if not tryina arbitrage it against the only eternal thing ? 1945449;1571001810;asciilifeform;iirc even vitamin c demands doctor's orders to buy there. 1945450;1571001829;mp_en_viaje;there is necessarily no difference between ANY pretend-sovereign and any other, angela merkel ==== usagi, theresa may === kludge etc etc. 1945451;1571001877;asciilifeform;well like in other nuthouses there's the 'quiet' tards an'the 'loud' tards. but beyond that, aha, what diff can there be 1945452;1571001908;mp_en_viaje;every instagram whore's gonna try and trade "followers" for [http://trilema.com/2019/sadly-frankfurts-fucked/?b=They%20overcooked&e=my%20steak#select][a steak] at my table, it's the nature of female youth. 1945453;1571002011;*;asciilifeform bbl:meat exercises. 1945454;1571002516;mp_en_viaje;in other lulz, apparently trilema more widely read in argentina than uruguay 1945455;1571002527;mp_en_viaje;rather proportional to their 10:1 population, actually. 1945456;1571002550;mp_en_viaje;must suck to read trilema from "Argentina is highly urbanized, with 92% of its population living in cities" 1945457;1571002567;mp_en_viaje;if pigsties were called cities, pigs would be just as "highly urbanized" 1945458;1571003625;BingoBoingo;I am not sure that what has come to be Urbanity in 2019 is not exactly exercises in swine keeping. 1945459;1571005181;BingoBoingo;Also Kurds announce deal with Assad. Couple dozen US troops apparently trapped between Kurds/Assad and Turks. 1945460;1571007297;mp_en_viaje;ahahaha 1945461;1571008227;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: in last weeks of dulap log , there were moar 'humanlike' activity on its www from argentines than ~anywhere else ; incl. folx grabbing FG test dumps etc. i had and still have nfi who , why. 1945462;1571008307;asciilifeform;iirc coupla people there even bought'em. ( tho the only 1 i recall definitively, was that 1 which ~came back~ 'unsigned at post' , wtfpeople ) 1945463;1571008384;asciilifeform;for what do south-chukchas use fg ? ( maybe, ar is simply where them redditi keep 'vpn proxies' naodays ) 1945464;1571008463;asciilifeform;iirc mp_en_viaje at one time advertised his www on lamp posts in buenosaires. maybe, worked ? (for some value of 'worked'..) 1945465;1571009707;BingoBoingo;It's possible more recently layers of lamppost flyer crust recently fell 1945466;1571009748;BingoBoingo;*more recent layers 1945467;1571009806;BingoBoingo;It is election season. I imagine the derps over there are going wild with their contact cement buckets and spray paints 1945468;1571010166;*;asciilifeform purchased some moar fresh 1tb ssd. newly-assembled asciilifeform flotilla will go to colo -- somewhere! wherever is least screamingly retarded. remains to be seen where. 1945469;1571010246;asciilifeform;fuckin sovok rations. apparently ~impossible to get >3 to 1 addr in 1 shot, today just like 5y ago. 1945470;1571013593;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, neither rank very high, middle of country list sorta thing 1945471;1571013633;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, >3 what ? 1945472;1571013923;*;mp_en_viaje was gonna quote "* channel_still_al (4fc3564e@p4FC3564E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #eulora" from old lobbes logger for eulora for wtf factor, but that's gone huh. 1945473;1571013947;mp_en_viaje;what am i redirecting http://logs.minigame.bz to ? 1945474;1571014155;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: > 3 oem pieces of 'samsung 860' if can believe. still 'cartel' rationed, apparently. 1945475;1571014236;mp_en_viaje;heh. and spanish war telephone tax still on, aha 1945476;1571014252;asciilifeform;not only on. goes up with regularity. 1945477;1571014271;asciilifeform;them spanish iguess not 100% defeated. or sumthing 1945478;1571016710;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/dark-passage/ << Trilema -- Dark Passage 1945479;1571017430;asciilifeform;btw diana_coman , forgot to mention a detail that perhaps obv., but maybe not, and may prove useful in your 'make fleet o'boxen' : 1945480;1571017497;asciilifeform;diana_coman: to ~make~ a tarball that can be used in place of 'r2', using a working install w/ whatevr customizations in it, mount the fs at a /mnt/gentoo and then e.g. tar pcvfz diana_coman-gentoo.tar.gz /mnt/gentoo . this snapshot can then be used to replicate $box to whatever others. 1945481;1571017537;asciilifeform;( still gotta e.g. set up ssh keys , hostnames, etc. in post-install but no reason to e.g. 'emerge' packages x,y,z 9000 times to make 9000 boxen ) 1945482;1571017666;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: lemme know btw if you want this thrd moved back to #o , rather than to put kilometres of gentoo cruft here. 1945483;1571017689;mp_en_viaje;prolly. 1945484;1571017732;asciilifeform;aite; i'ma then put only shovel-ready recipes here , minutiae - there. 1945485;1571022599;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-14#1945410 << logger still alive, though ip only atm http://192.121.170.137/2019-10-13.log.html 1945486;1571022600;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-14 00:47:27 mp_en_viaje: was gonna quote "* channel_still_al (4fc3564e@p4FC3564E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #eulora" from old lobbes logger for eulora for wtf factor, but that's gone huh. 1945487;1571022610;lobbes;my guess is that logs.minigame.biz is using qntra dns maybe? Also, don't forget to use ".biz" and not ".bz" 1945488;1571023412;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/dance-flick/ << Trilema -- Dance Flick 1945489;1571071797;BingoBoingo;Update on anyserver. Currently recreating accounts for Pizarro shared hosting users whose blogs have not been brough back online. Due to the differences in where Pizarro's shared 'UY1' and this 'anyserver' live I will not be uploading any user files beyond authorized_keys unless doing so is explicitly requested. 1945490;1571072008;BingoBoingo;The apache version on anyserver from the 2.2 line which means mp-wp Deny, Allow statements in .htaccess will work as opposed to needing 'Require' statements as per UY1's apache 2.4 1945491;1571073321;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945106 - got around to it and can confirm I got it working on Intel too (with minimal changes of kernel config ie selecting Intel rather than AMD flags) 1945492;1571073322;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-13 13:50:13 diana_coman: asciilifeform: re intel, I have an old intel excavated out and waiting to have this set on it, if I get around to do it. 1945493;1571073449;asciilifeform;diana_coman: afaik it'd do no harm to enable both sets of flags ; simply makes for a slightly moar 'obese' kernel. 1945494;1571073636;*;asciilifeform ftr , originally wrote the dulap kern config with philosophy 'cut errything that's defo not in my irons' 1945495;1571087956;asciilifeform;meanwhile, dig update : found a smaller isp literally 5km from my chair, 300/mo (us) for 22u half-cab, 100Mb/s unlim.; asked re ddos, d00d answr'd 'multiple balanced pipes, and we dun block, eat.' no contract commits. will be goin' there tomorrow to see with eyes before buying. ( fella pleasant enuff, offered to broker a /24 from arin , '5-6k', i said '1st lesse' . w/out arin, 2.50 $ / ea. ip from shop. ) 1945496;1571087987;asciilifeform;locking, btw, claims, halfcab. 1945497;1571088039;asciilifeform;the bmore people, otoh, ~still~ chewing their cud, meanwhile. 1945498;1571088512;diana_coman;asciilifeform: that smaller isp actually sounds human-like 1945499;1571088657;asciilifeform;it did. which is why i'ma take the half hr to go there an' recon. 1945500;1571088668;asciilifeform;(set for tomorrow afternoon.) 1945501;1571088673;*;asciilifeform bbl,meats 1945502;1571090024;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: ty for the gooder news 1945503;1571090449;*;BingoBoingo similarly to collect meat. After return if should be time to start breathing life into some webs 1945504;1571097072;BingoBoingo;Aite, one blog is up. The LAMP is lit. 1945505;1571097113;BingoBoingo;bvt: Do you want me to stand up an instance of your blog from the UY1 backup? 1945506;1571097354;feedbot;http://bingology.net/2019/07/13/forward-looking-statement-week-28-2019-the-auctions-thing/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Forward Looking Statement Week 28 2019 - The Auctions Thing 1945507;1571098119;lobbes;wb bingology.net 1945508;1571098873;BingoBoingo;lobbes: I've got more to bring back. 1945509;1571099047;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile in local news, the fellow who identifies as an economist thrashing about his Party's collapse under him https://www.montevideo.com.uy/Noticias/Talvi--El-FA-uso-el-aparato-del-Estado-para-intentar-destruir-al-Partido-Colorado--uc732566 1945510;1571100546;asciilifeform;wb BingoBoingo's www ! 1945511;1571100685;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Other www's are getting ready to come up as well. hanbot's and nicoleci's have been requested. Waiting for others to explicitly request theirs given this is 'anyserver' rather than 'UY1 that bingo sees, touches, and locks' 1945512;1571100707;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 1 nitpick -- for links that are in fact in 'era 2', i rec to point to the loggers maintained by the living. i've nfi where is phf and for how long his ghost ship will stay afloat. 1945513;1571100769;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: For some reason feedbot pushed a July post. 1945514;1571100772;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i expect to very soon have a 'touchable' cage. unless i turn up something truly outrageous tomorrow at the site visit. 1945515;1571100785;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: proprietor seemed vehehery eager to sell. 1945516;1571100793;BingoBoingo;Sounds promising 1945517;1571100797;asciilifeform;'pay, get keys' etc 1945518;1571100877;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: pretty interesting, imho. the people with 5x the price, take their sweet fucking time, as if dun really like money at all 1945519;1571100907;asciilifeform;meanwhile this one here called in <5min after email. 1945520;1571100994;BingoBoingo;Well, in the smaller op the benefit he gets from 1 more customer probably more tangibly motivating 1945521;1571101109;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it aint 'properly' small tho. seems to be owned by some conglomerate. [https://www.coloco.net/]['coloco']. 1945522;1571101139;asciilifeform;full rack btw goes for ~500 there. 1945523;1571101163;asciilifeform;dunno wai so cheap, and difficult to overcome the 'gut' suspicion that 'there is catch.' but gotta be tried. 1945524;1571101194;asciilifeform;( that 500 rack comes w/ Gb/s , supposedly. ) 1945525;1571101369;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: lol, asciilifeform apparently not awake at all, ~just now~ understood that was reading a july piece. 1945526;1571102124;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: These sorts of things happen 1945527;1571102143;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 'coloco' fella asked if i had any personally-owned ip chunks. ( asciilifeform does not . ) but iirc mp did. if this machinepark turns out to be worthwhile, and mp ends up sending in a box(s) , he could actually use own ips there. 1945528;1571102233;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Depends on the regional registry, but yeah. One of the early headaches down here is that LATAM is IP space poor. 1945529;1571102301;BingoBoingo;traceroute between the chair and 'anyserver' includes a 112 ms hop from brasil to ny 1945530;1571102314;asciilifeform;notbad 1945531;1571102375;BingoBoingo;16 hops, most of which are frontloaded antel to antel 1945532;1571102486;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i'm thinking, the $14 (12 if full-cab) per u , is even cheaper than maxim's. there's gotta be some reason... 1945533;1571102500;asciilifeform;(maxim wanted 35 eu. per u) 1945534;1571102522;asciilifeform;( i.e. 39 us $ atm ) 1945535;1571102678;BingoBoingo;Maybe trying to compete with US-Pacific Coast prices? 1945536;1571102694;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i do not presently know what costs there. 1945537;1571102698;asciilifeform;on pacific. 1945538;1571102717;*;asciilifeform not even had occasion to go there, just yet. 1945539;1571102782;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Everynow and then offers from there hit the circular file. Apparently Oregon, Washington, etc have space around that price for full racks 1945540;1571102793;asciilifeform;notbad 1945541;1571102796;*;BingoBoingo has not looked at those offer in detail recently 1945542;1571102801;asciilifeform;( if only ben were still alive... ) 1945543;1571102811;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Well he moved to Texas 1945544;1571102814;BingoBoingo;iirc 1945545;1571102822;asciilifeform;a 1945546;1571102946;*;asciilifeform actually unearthed ~several~ poorly-advertised dc's in reasonable proximity to hovel, not only this 1. but none of the others 'eager beaver' , no word from'em just yet 1945547;1571103021;asciilifeform;my orig. method of search, was braindamaged. did it from 0 again, properly. 1945548;1571103305;BingoBoingo;Anyways, my CentOS 6 review: It's like Gentoo in that you end up building all of the moving parts. It differs from Gentoo in not having a portage full of recipes for doing so. 1945549;1571103314;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: already purchased another 'octeon' to set up the entrance router + switch for wherever new asciilifeform cage built. and will start by emplacing apu1's & rk's , then anyone who has the courage to put box in heart of reich. 1945550;1571103469;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: dulap-I was iirc a centos6 box. it is possible to live in it. but you dun get the fine-grained scalpel that gentoo folx are accustomed to. 1945551;1571103508;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: not even directly comparable, imho, centos packages are binariolade balls 1945552;1571103568;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The packages are worthless. Sure, they are old versions of software, but they are the wrong old versions. 1945553;1571103609;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: dunno, i was able to stand up phuctor. ( and , not long ago, diana_coman -- logger . ) but then again these aint the 'hungriest' known proggies re deps. 1945554;1571103691;BingoBoingo;Well, the LAMP thing has three moving parts that gotta talk to each other. mp-wp seems happier on apache 2.2 than the 2.4 UY1 had. But, that means cleaning up all sorts of version to version nitpicky breakages. 1945555;1571106451;BingoBoingo;!Qlater tell hanbot_abroad http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=lXMx 1945556;1571106451;lobbesbot;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded. 1945557;1571106514;BingoBoingo;!Qlater tell nicoleci http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=rrJN 1945558;1571106514;lobbesbot;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded. 1945559;1571106659;*;asciilifeform meanwhile single-stick installatron for dulap-gentoo; will test tomorrow 1945560;1571106724;asciilifeform;console via rs232 , to make the apu1's live. 1945561;1571107711;*;BingoBoingo moving on to dns daemon setup. This time once its set up it should probably get replicated to actual diverse boxes and locations. 1945562;1571109135;BingoBoingo;!Qlater tell trinque Were you wanting a blog set up on the 'anyserver' as well? 1945563;1571109136;lobbesbot;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded. 1945564;1571109965;BingoBoingo;!Qlater tell mp_en_viaje Whenever you can make it to the namecheap panel I've got an authoritive nameserver ready on some ips for ns1.qntra.net through ns4.qntra.net http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=yhHl 1945565;1571109965;lobbesbot;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded. 1945566;1571128213;feedbot;http://thetarpit.org/2019/a-guide-to-systematically-exploring-the-entrails-of-mp-wp-illustrated-using-some-weird-found-in-the-post-editor << The Tar Pit -- A guide to systematically exploring the entrails of MP-WP, illustrated using some weird found in the post editor 1945567;1571130730;diana_coman;ftp://logs.ossasepia.com/ - I've setup a ftp mirror for asciilifeform as he currently has only the slow loper-os; he already uploaded the dulap tarball; it has anonymous read-only access for anyone interested/having trouble with loper-os. 1945568;1571141196;mp_en_viaje;aand gmornin' lords an' ladies! 1945569;1571141196;lobbesbot;mp_en_viaje: Sent 8 hours and 40 minutes ago: Whenever you can make it to the namecheap panel I've got an authoritive nameserver ready on some ips for ns1.qntra.net through ns4.qntra.net http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=yhHl 1945570;1571141208;diana_coman;morning mp_en_viaje 1945571;1571141210;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo_, hopefully later today. 1945572;1571141247;mp_en_viaje;meanwle im here on the highway, major todo, three police cars opening the way for thsi coupla 7ton trucks with some tarps thrown over them, and s buncha escorts 1945573;1571141255;mp_en_viaje;i guess it's either gold or corpses, what's anyone thing ? 1945574;1571141257;mp_en_viaje;thinl* 1945575;1571141297;mp_en_viaje;oh, and a flock of fucking deer in the cultivated field just like that, by the side of the road 1945576;1571141299;diana_coman;I can't quite imagine they'd have *that much/many* of either tbh 1945577;1571141323;*;diana_coman had a fox staring from the garden, only yest 1945578;1571141339;mp_en_viaje;back to nature! 1945579;1571141378;mp_en_viaje;anyway, ima get back to writing this megapiece im working on 1945580;1571144173;diana_coman;mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000160.html and similar gives 403; did those move somewhere else? 1945581;1571149962;asciilifeform;ty diana_coman for ftp! 'warm lamp sound!' it worx. 1945582;1571150018;diana_coman;asciilifeform: thanks for the check&ack! 1945583;1571150066;asciilifeform;diana_coman: ~2MB/s download. a++ 1945584;1571151006;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-15#1945518 << it was a piz box. ( BingoBoingo is it being moved to 'anyserver' ? ) 1945585;1571151007;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-15 09:59:22 diana_coman: mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000160.html and similar gives 403; did those move somewhere else? 1945586;1571151414;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I can probably move it over if mod6 asks, in the case of the mailing list I will have to dig at what it needs to stand on. Because of what 'anyserver' is I am not at all inclined to put things there unless folks request it. 1945587;1571151519;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: ty 1945588;1571152847;*;BingoBoingo suspects mailing list probably ought not to be on a blog box, even if it isn't intended to send outgoing dispatches. 1945589;1571153503;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it's pretty strange that the url leads to anyffin at all, if it hasn't yet been moved 1945590;1571153780;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: iirc mod6 and ben colo'd a second box in a different rack somewhere. 1945591;1571153802;asciilifeform;ah. evidently it's broken tho. 1945592;1571155190;asciilifeform;meanwhile in minor noose, asciilifeform found that [https://www.atpinc.com/products/industrial-ssds-usb-drive][one vendor still makes] usb stix (for routers etc) w/ single-layer nand flash. claims operation to +85C and 60,000 rewrites per block. 1945593;1571155279;asciilifeform;( what practical impact from this ? for instance, finally canhaz entrance router that actually logs events. instead of running from readonly squashfs as is usual. ) 1945594;1571158215;mod6;diana_coman: Yeah, thanks. BB made me a backup before the drives were pulled. I've placed all of the tbf website files back onto the original vps that used to host the site. So far, seems everything is working ok (as far as I can tell), other than the Mailing List. 1945595;1571158263;mod6;I spent a fair amount of time yesterday trying to get Mailman working, which was frustrating, but no luck yet. If nothing else, I think I'll just ensure that all of the archives are visible somehow. 1945596;1571158264;asciilifeform;mod6: confirmed; errything nao loads but the ml 1945597;1571158293;diana_coman;mod6: ah, I see; yes, just the archives accessible and it will be great. 1945598;1571158374;mod6;Regarding the foundation's two boxen: One was in .uy, the other was supposed to go down there, but is still in the possession of ben_vulpes. I communicated with him last week regarding the box, he'll be sending it to me as soon as I get him the deets. 1945599;1571158448;asciilifeform;mod6: i'ma be inspecting and possibly leasing a rack today. if this goes properly, mod6 can consider installing $box there . 1945600;1571158463;mod6;Yeah, not sure if we care about the ML any more as far as a communication tool for development or what not. So getting the archives back up is a decent start. 1945601;1571158507;mod6;asciilifeform: Yeah, not sure how that would work exactly. Since I don't have $$$ for racking such things, unless your dc is gonna take btc? 1945602;1571158510;asciilifeform;mod6: it's a usa rack, but (supposedly) locking, and in 20min range of asciilifeform , who will be gardening it personally 1945603;1571158520;asciilifeform;mod6: ~asciilifeform~ will eat btc. 1945604;1571158530;mod6;Ah, well then! 1945605;1571158580;mod6;I'll wait a bit to see how things progress on that matter, and if all good, maybe will have bv just send the box directly there. Would save me a bunch of shipping fees. 1945606;1571158591;asciilifeform;i'ma 1st get the rack tho, and its ~exact~ cost, and ~then~ come up with prices. ( will be cheaper than piz, cuz elementarily , in a quite high-risk location , not to mention the rack per se is 5x cheaper per u ) 1945607;1571158664;asciilifeform;mod6: expecting to charge (in coin) equiv. of 20-30 $ u.s. per 1u, presently. 1945608;1571158687;asciilifeform;'gardening' included. 1945609;1571158709;mod6;Oh, that's very reasonable. Thanks for finding the place. 1945610;1571158723;asciilifeform;mod6: 'bear found but not yet killed' but yw. 1945611;1571158758;mod6;Aight, ima keep working on this website thing here. Will write in when the archives are at least visible. 1945612;1571158946;asciilifeform;mod6: think about whether it may be good idea to try an' structure asciilifeform's , diana_coman's , other folx, rack efforts, as a continuation of piz. ( rly oughta ask mp whether this makes sense , tho ) . otherwise can operate as 'errymanforhimself'. 1945613;1571159098;asciilifeform;mod6: at the very least, imho the purely piz-owned irons oughta live in new racks asap rather than go through the cycle of sell-for-penny-on-dollar-to-orcs etc. but no such thing will be done w/out agreement of shareholders ( and mod6 is majority holder. ) 1945614;1571159137;asciilifeform;mod6: BingoBoingo appears to have prelim. data re the cost of transporting'em, it seems to be +ev. 1945615;1571159155;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo plox to comment re ^ when you get a chance. 1945616;1571159243;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: +EV for some, maybe. The TBF box with its dell badge is probably going to get its greatest return on the local market where folks pay to posture. Haven't yet dig into seeing much in the way of what the supermicros might return with some small amount of patience. 1945617;1571159267;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: do you recall the estimate for 'crate from BingoBoingostan to usa' ? 1945618;1571159280;asciilifeform;simply to put reasonably accurate picture in log 1945619;1571159434;BingoBoingo;Fedex economy came in with an estimate a bit under 300 USD given the dulap's dimensions and bathroom scale weight without packaging. Packaging at this moment is looking like it will end up being mover's foam rolls and improvised cardboard box/wrap held together with substantial tape. 1945620;1571159513;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: my current thinking is, to usa, to move the beefier (24, 32 cpu) boxen -- +ev ; but to europistan , where i expect would cost 1.5x-2x, + oddball europistani taxes, may not be, if anyone contemplating the latter, oughta do separate estimate 1945621;1571159540;BingoBoingo;DHL offers a more predictable per kilogram pricing model versus the FedEx black box, but they supposed just under 450 figuring an extra kilogram of packing. 1945622;1571159602;asciilifeform;for boxen owned by subscribers, is to be left 100% to subscriber. but will need to consult w/ mod6 re piz-owned irons in particular. 1945623;1571159678;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i wanted the ballpark figure (ty) in log so that subscribers can start making decision 'i'ma ship' or 'i'ma make own new from 0'. 1945624;1571159719;BingoBoingo;Also anything going to with a declared value of 200 USD or above needs some export paperwork done. The past few months have seen rather large outbound cocaine busts bound for Europe, so the export inspection folk that haven't been arrested are likely a bit on edge. 1945625;1571159779;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: find out what this involves. could 'make or break' the calculation. 1945626;1571159937;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Aite. It involves retaining a customs dispatcher. I'll see what they want to produce this type of paperwork. 1945627;1571160532;mod6;Alright, I've got the ML archives back up. http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/ and http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/ 1945628;1571160547;mod6;Should do the trick, let me know if you see something wacky (there certainly might be). 1945629;1571160570;asciilifeform;ty mod6 ! seems to work. 1945630;1571160639;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i expect you still have the ~import~ receipts from the boxen that ben botched. that oughta do ~sumthing~ ? try an' find out. 1945631;1571160743;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I do. Will use if necessary. 1945632;1571160770;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: if the orcs double-taxation thing appears to make transportation impractical, we may want to consider a pickup flight by asciilifeform . can remove 4u of boxen for ~2k (us) total . for certain machines even this may be +ev. 1945633;1571160781;asciilifeform;( not to mention custody of FG etc ) 1945634;1571160839;asciilifeform;mp actually suggested this last week, as a possible backup for ordinary post if the degree of retardation involved in the latter is beyond what can be digested 1945635;1571160859;mod6;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-15#1945550 << In my opinion, Pizarro is done, and should be liquidated. Whatever the next isp-like-item that comes up should be a new thing of its own. 1945636;1571160859;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-15 14:05:36 asciilifeform: mod6: think about whether it may be good idea to try an' structure asciilifeform's , diana_coman's , other folx, rack efforts, as a continuation of piz. ( rly oughta ask mp whether this makes sense , tho ) . otherwise can operate as 'errymanforhimself'. 1945637;1571160879;asciilifeform;mod6: prolly Right Thing. 1945638;1571160914;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Right. This is not Argentina, so there should not be any export taxes in the reading I've done so far. Anyways priced per rack unit, it may vale la pena for the custodial benefit if you can make it down. 1945639;1571160950;asciilifeform;mod6: on top of this, imho the '20 boxen w/ no hot spares'-in-one-cage thing oughta be avoided . it tempts fate. 1945640;1571160974;mod6;Very true. 1945641;1571160994;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i'ma leave it 1) up to indiv. subscribers, for subscriber-owned boxen 2) mod6 for piz boxen. if 1+2 add up to 4, then it is worth for asciilifeform to physically pick up. otherwise not. 1945642;1571161064;asciilifeform;per my reading of last wk's log, to mod6 is also left the fate of the piz FG's (mp asked to be repayed in coin, rather than iron, as i parsed it) 1945643;1571161157;mod6;If the FG's (28 or so??) were purchased from nosuchlabs via the .9 BTC worth of investment agreement, then yeah, should be repaid in coin. 1945644;1571161161;asciilifeform;for thread-completeness, there is also a possible variant where 4 boxen need pick up, but want to go to somewhere other than asciilifeform's. this is to be left to the owners, if indeed 4 boxen, and their owners want to move'em. 1945645;1571161176;asciilifeform;mod6: 36 . 1945646;1571161225;mod6;Ah, ty. Yeah, and if Pizarro paid in the form of debt, then the debt will be paid in coins. 1945647;1571161231;*;asciilifeform rereads thread... 1945648;1571161272;asciilifeform;[http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943500][ mp actually left the q 'in what pay' open until liquidation set up. ] but imho oughta ask him again , if we're actually considering a transport run . 1945649;1571161273;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-09 13:12:00 mp_en_viaje: otherwise, if you two(/three, whatevs) decide you absolutely not want to sell boxes locally (preferably after having considered the matter, rather than some inept guesswork in the blind), sna can take gear in lieu of cash, but not at arbitrary rates of nonsense. 1945650;1571161321;*;BingoBoingo brb meat and errands 1945651;1571161363;mod6;asciilifeform: Ah, ok. Sounds like we can work it out with mp then, one way or anohter. 1945652;1571161384;asciilifeform;ftr asciilifeform opposes the sale of remaining FG stockpile to orcs at flea market. but mod6 is majority holder, and so will mention even this, for thread-completeness strictly. 1945653;1571161540;mod6;I'm not sure how it'll work out exactly, but somehow not selling the very finite resources of working/tested FGs to orcs would be in the best interest of the Republic. 1945654;1571161548;asciilifeform;imho yes. 1945655;1571161573;asciilifeform;mod6: i mention because it appears that BingoBoingo cannot simply put'em in 1-2 crates and mail, may trigger 'export' wank. 1945656;1571161648;asciilifeform;nao ideally i am mistaken about this, and can simply be posted. 1945657;1571161668;asciilifeform;( along w/ anyffin else that the owners decide to move. ) 1945658;1571161690;mod6;Yeah, let's see what we can find out there. But let's not put the cart before horse. Let's first get all the customers situated with irons and whatever remittance is required via liquidation. 1945659;1571161708;mod6;Then we can tackle the other questions of what remains. 1945660;1571161788;mod6;(Please say if I'm not making sense.) 1945661;1571161836;asciilifeform;mod6: i bring up subj only to avoid possible recursive dependencies ( i.e. for some subscribers, whether to transport box or bake new , may depend on the costs -- and time involved ; and this in turn has effect on what's left to liquidate, etc ) 1945662;1571161871;*;asciilifeform would at least like to settle the q of whether even makes sense for anyone to fetch boxes, and if so, which 1945663;1571161953;mod6;Fair, we should be looking into that part for sure. 1945664;1571162102;mod6;As far as the foundation is concerned... I was thinking, originally, that I would have the whole box (with drives) shipped back from .uy. Then could be re-racked somewhere. But now, with the possibility that there might be some new rack space available, maybe the foundation should just have the drives shipped back, to be used inside of the 2nd box, currently not in use. 1945665;1571162183;mod6;Then could have the drives emplaced, racked, and off we go. Could simply sell the old box in .uy to orcs. 1945666;1571162223;asciilifeform;mod6: didja ever get an output from ben re his replacement in tbf ? afaik any possible transmutation of tbf requires at least a nod from the fella, given as he seems to be alive, and not yet formally drummed out 1945667;1571162225;mod6;I haven't made a final decision yet though. 1945668;1571162317;asciilifeform;mod6: imho mp is right re tbf btw. it's a stone chained to leg of mod6 and dragging it isn't producing detectably useful output presently imho . 1945669;1571162329;mod6;asciilifeform: He said 'he wouldn't know who to nominate.' I'm sure we'll dig into what do re: foundation when the Piz stuff is settled. 1945670;1571162354;asciilifeform;aite. it's b/w mod6 , ben, mp, & odin. 1945671;1571162358;BingoBoingo;mod6: Be aware your box down here is heavier and longer than any other. Shipping the whole box in you case is likely to be the lowest return way to handle your. 1945672;1571162374;*;BingoBoingo brb 4 real 1945673;1571162394;mod6;BingoBoingo: Good to know, thx. 1945674;1571162407;mod6;Sounds like shipping just the drives back might be the best way. 1945675;1571163130;*;asciilifeform going to machinepark in <1h 1945676;1571166265;mp_en_viaje;hi all! 1945677;1571166838;mp_en_viaje;hot damn, again with the bs ? 1945678;1571166864;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/how-germany-got-itself-banned-and-western-europe-altogether-isnt-all-that-far-behind/ << Trilema -- How Germany got itself banned, and Western Europe altogether isn't all that far behind. 1945679;1571166905;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-14#1945425 << aha, this'll be it. was using the right tld, but ... yeah 1945680;1571166905;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-14 00:13:11 lobbes: my guess is that logs.minigame.biz is using qntra dns maybe? Also, don't forget to use ".biz" and not ".bz" 1945681;1571166939;mp_en_viaje;also, dear rando "ddos" schmuck : it ain't working, it ain't gonna work, give up, you fail at this like everything else in your life, oookay ? 1945682;1571166991;mp_en_viaje;and in other news, holy hell prague's into bon jovi. wtf happened here 1945683;1571167036;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-14#1945429 << win. 1945684;1571167037;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-14 14:18:25 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945106 - got around to it and can confirm I got it working on Intel too (with minimal changes of kernel config ie selecting Intel rather than AMD flags) 1945685;1571167043;mp_en_viaje;ahh, what a pleasure with these logs already! 1945686;1571167101;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-14#1945433 << sounds pretty sweet tbh, 1945687;1571167101;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-14 18:22:21 asciilifeform: meanwhile, dig update : found a smaller isp literally 5km from my chair, 300/mo (us) for 22u half-cab, 100Mb/s unlim.; asked re ddos, d00d answr'd 'multiple balanced pipes, and we dun block, eat.' no contract commits. will be goin' there tomorrow to see with eyes before buying. ( fella pleasant enuff, offered to broker a /24 from arin , '5-6k', i said '1st lesse' . w/out arin, 2.50 $ / ea. ip from shop. ) 1945688;1571167123;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-14#1945437 << defo buy the guy lunch. 1945689;1571167124;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-14 18:34:02 asciilifeform: it did. which is why i'ma take the half hr to go there an' recon. 1945690;1571167355;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-14#1945465 << i'd rather delegate wholesale than create a bits-and-pieces madness. 1945691;1571167356;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-14 22:18:49 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'coloco' fella asked if i had any personally-owned ip chunks. ( asciilifeform does not . ) but iirc mp did. if this machinepark turns out to be worthwhile, and mp ends up sending in a box(s) , he could actually use own ips there. 1945692;1571167563;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-14#1945485 << ideally document both lobes on own blog article, like sane civilised ppls. 1945693;1571167563;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-14 22:33:27 asciilifeform: my orig. method of search, was braindamaged. did it from 0 again, properly. 1945694;1571167709;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-15#1945502 << i expect to be ble to put these in within ~hour. 1945695;1571167709;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-15 00:29:12 BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell mp_en_viaje Whenever you can make it to the namecheap panel I've got an authoritive nameserver ready on some ips for ns1.qntra.net through ns4.qntra.net http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=yhHl 1945696;1571167713;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: are comments closed on trilema? 1945697;1571167724;mp_en_viaje;nope ? 1945698;1571167748;mp_en_viaje;da fuck, 1sec 1945699;1571167759;diana_coman;hm, let me try from somewhere else; atm it says "Both comments and pings are currently closed." on http://trilema.com/2019/how-germany-got-itself-banned-and-western-europe-altogether-isnt-all-that-far-behind/ 1945700;1571167791;mp_en_viaje;nfi whatsoever what might've caused that. 1945701;1571167796;mp_en_viaje;looking 1945702;1571168024;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, fixed ; nfi how it got set up that way. 1945703;1571168048;mp_en_viaje;the joys of modern computing, do the exact same thing 10k times, get different results 0.02% of the time 1945704;1571168076;diana_coman;lolz, the unpredictable script 1945705;1571168189;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-15#1945531 << not bad. 1945706;1571168189;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-15 13:04:29 asciilifeform: ( what practical impact from this ? for instance, finally canhaz entrance router that actually logs events. instead of running from readonly squashfs as is usual. ) 1945707;1571168300;mp_en_viaje;from bitter root experience of failure comes renewed effort to do shit right, i take it ? 1945708;1571168428;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-15#1945550 << it only makes sense if you'll actually do it. 1945709;1571168428;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-15 14:05:36 asciilifeform: mod6: think about whether it may be good idea to try an' structure asciilifeform's , diana_coman's , other folx, rack efforts, as a continuation of piz. ( rly oughta ask mp whether this makes sense , tho ) . otherwise can operate as 'errymanforhimself'. 1945710;1571168970;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-15#1945586 << the question keeps shifting, seeing how originally discussion was re coupla servers, not 28 fgs. in any case, the answer was then just as what is now : nsa will take .9 btc as it's owed in either cash or some other thing of equal value, for pizarro's convenience. 1945711;1571168971;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-15 14:44:22 asciilifeform: [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943500][ mp actually left the q 'in what pay' open until liquidation set up. ] but imho oughta ask him again , if we're actually considering a transport run . 1945712;1571168996;mp_en_viaje;there won't be a yes/no until there's a specific list of what pizarro actually proposes. 1945713;1571169955;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, the above is now done, in the sense that http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=yhHl are being announced ; mind though that you're not supposed to have all these in the same c block ideally. 1945714;1571170664;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: ty. Once more friendly boxes start getting stood up I'd like to start meaningfully speading the DNS around. Different c-blocks, different continents, etc. 1945715;1571170686;mp_en_viaje;cool. 1945716;1571171232;*;BingoBoingo has a couple requests for blogs to stand up on 'anyserver' to attend to. 1945717;1571171502;mp_en_viaje;meh, apparently half an article made it in wtf is this 1945718;1571171730;bvt;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-14#1945443 << please proceed with the installation 1945719;1571171730;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-14 20:54:58 BingoBoingo: bvt: Do you want me to stand up an instance of your blog from the UY1 backup? 1945720;1571171753;BingoBoingo;bvt, ty I'll get yours lined up. 1945721;1571173675;asciilifeform;so, achtung, panzers ! asciilifeform -- signed up for rack. 1945722;1571173695;asciilifeform;22u (2 occupied by power an/ net panel) so yields 20 holes. 1945723;1571173754;asciilifeform;took a while to go over the contract, cross out things i didn't like , etc. but all eaten. rack people took the dough, promised keys on friday (apparently needs day to clear cheque and day to run wire.) 1945724;1571173773;asciilifeform;also came back with some photos (unlike latech, these people not allergic, apparently, to photo), will post. 1945725;1571173818;mod6;cool, ty alf 1945726;1571173881;BingoBoingo;ty for the good news 1945727;1571173925;asciilifeform;pretty fancy house, btw, vs. latech's. 1945728;1571173986;asciilifeform;unmarked bldg, in the middle of nowhere. inside, tho, resembling hybrid of dc and lobby of 5star hotel, flunkies bring coffee etc. 1945729;1571174054;diana_coman;oh hey, well done asciilifeform ! 1945730;1571174134;diana_coman;and I still want to take a rk there, as soon as it's available really; atm my sad pile of isp idiots is only growing ,with not much useful to show for it. 1945731;1571174147;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i'ma start fillin' it as soon as get keyz 1945732;1571174175;asciilifeform;and all l1 people are invited. (at some point l2 ditto, after erryone in l1 who wants in, is in.) 1945733;1571174267;asciilifeform;will write a photops0t right after tea, re: what i found inside. 1945734;1571174340;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i hesitate to say 'a+++ machinepark' until i've, lol, actually plugged sumthing in. but by all indications promising, in-biz since '94 and claims 0 outage complaints to date. sits on regional backbone. 1945735;1571174371;asciilifeform;has amenities i had nfi even existed in dc -- dock and crane for loading irons, and hydraulic cranes on wheels for insertions of boxen. 1945736;1571174380;asciilifeform;all w/ 0 surcharge for use. 1945737;1571174415;asciilifeform;2 battery rooms & 4 megawatt diesels. 1945738;1571174432;asciilifeform;and all this, for a pittance. 1945739;1571174537;diana_coman;asciilifeform: fwiw, ~all the isps in the US that I even looked at were significantly cheaper than similar eu-based ones (which in turn cheaper than some more exotic locations) 1945740;1571174543;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-15#1945645 << this ! 1945741;1571174544;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-15 16:41:31 mp_en_viaje: from bitter root experience of failure comes renewed effort to do shit right, i take it ? 1945742;1571174563;diana_coman;the eu-cheap usually means they have a dc in moldova/ro/bulgaria, lolz. 1945743;1571174564;asciilifeform;diana_coman: apparently we found ~1~ thing that's cheap in usa.. 1945744;1571174624;*;asciilifeform had a very 'you get what pay for' upbringing so hesitant to 'get excite'. but it's by all indications a genuine rack, in genuine dc, and dirt cheap. we find out moar by actually pluggin' in... 1945745;1571174645;diana_coman;asciilifeform: so you know, maybe worth actually to http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-15#1945646 1945746;1571174645;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-15 16:43:38 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-15#1945550 << it only makes sense if you'll actually do it. 1945747;1571174658;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i'm for. q then for mod6 . 1945748;1571174812;asciilifeform;diana_coman: place seems to have a++ service , asciilifeform was sat in the board room in the throne and treated like royalty. fwiw. 1945749;1571174827;*;asciilifeform brb,teatime 1945750;1571176357;*;asciilifeform writes ps0t... 1945751;1571176951;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3478 << ding 1945752;1571176954;*;asciilifeform waves to mp_en_viaje 1945753;1571177075;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-15#1945630 << to answer this good q : 'braindamaged' search used search engines ; less-braindamaged turned out to be to walk local biz directories in search of anyffin appearing to offer colo. 1945754;1571177076;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-15 16:29:13 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-14#1945485 << ideally document both lobes on own blog article, like sane civilised ppls. 1945755;1571177130;feedbot;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3478 << Loper OS -- An Inexpensive Machine Park, of Yet-Indeterminate Quality. 1945756;1571177796;asciilifeform;^ article will disappoint folx who wanted to see the coffee, board rooms, other 'imponade', these can show later if anyone gives a shit. so far just the goods. 1945757;1571177804;*;asciilifeform brb,meats. 1945758;1571178619;BingoBoingo;!Qlater tell bvt http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=_klh 1945759;1571178619;lobbesbot;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded. 1945760;1571180673;*;asciilifeform back. 1945761;1571180928;*;asciilifeform goes to read mp re how germany sux. 1945762;1571181569;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-15#1945643 << bought, btw, if wasn't clear from thrd, it's goin' in the switch. 1945763;1571181570;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-15 16:39:39 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-15#1945531 << not bad. 1945764;1571181620;asciilifeform;wb trinque 1945765;1571181671;trinque;good evening asciilifeform 1945766;1571181671;lobbesbot;trinque: Sent 20 hours and 8 minutes ago: Were you wanting a blog set up on the 'anyserver' as well? 1945767;1571181706;trinque;BingoBoingo: no thanks, I'm going to take the opportunity to simplify my server situation a bit and consolidate. 1945768;1571181771;trinque;stood up another bouncer now, so I should be more reachable. 1945769;1571181787;*;trinque goes to eat log 1945770;1571182009;asciilifeform;trinque: quick q for when you have 5m : do you know how to 'bless' usb stick into bootability ? for some reason stuck on this ( machine is known to boot stix, boots the heathen gentoo 'live' thing. but not mine, tho is set up exactly like the hdd from earlier test w/ diana_coman ) 1945771;1571182018;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-10-13#1945268 << nah, what I did was replaced with libressl, which is only infinitesimally less evil 1945772;1571182018;a111;Logged on 2019-10-13 20:07 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: iirc trinque had an experimental cuntoo variant that was built with '-ssh' ban flag. will see what he says when wakes up re this subj 1945773;1571182059;trinque;asciilifeform: hm, boot flag on partition's set? 1945774;1571182065;trinque;also mbr and not gpt? 1945775;1571182088;asciilifeform;has to be mbr ? 1945776;1571182132;trinque;iirc gpt incurs efi bullshit to be bootable 1945777;1571182178;trinque;can't recall what. w/e it was, I did it on the two-headed server in uy to use the larger disks 1945778;1571182187;trinque;BingoBoingo: do you have a disk cremation plan btw? 1945779;1571185216;asciilifeform;trinque: i'ma retry it w/ mbr, i dun have a >2tb usb keychain that'd justify gpt and dun expect anybody else does 1945780;1571185236;asciilifeform;( simply was hoping to use same recipe for 'infecting' usb stix as for normal installs, is all ) 1945781;1571185298;asciilifeform;trinque: currently this is for asciilifeform's pre-cuntoo gentoo, but i expect the method can be later transplanted to cuntoo. 1945782;1571185383;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-15#1945710 << was, fwiw, set, it's set in the published recipe. 1945783;1571185383;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-15 20:30:50 trinque: asciilifeform: hm, boot flag on partition's set? 1945784;1571186541;BingoBoingo;trinque: ty for letting me know. 1945785;1571186596;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: btw interesting similarities in that dc thing to your 'cowork'. there's toilets, showers, kitchens, workshops w/ antistatic desks etc. 1945786;1571186618;BingoBoingo;trinque: I do not have a concrete cremation plan yet. Magnesium blocks are not as ubiquitous here as in old country. Will be hitting up large 'big box' type operation tomorrow shopping packing supplies and will check their outdoors section. 1945787;1571186655;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: hit the sunday market and buy 1 of those crates of old photoflash cubes i saw there, if found. otherwise what you said. 1945788;1571186656;BingoBoingo;trinque: As it stands the plan is destructively decap and then abrade chips before hammering. 1945789;1571186684;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: AH, ty. 1945790;1571186763;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: whichever method of execution is used, make sure whole thing caught on camera. will be likbez for others. 1945791;1571186776;BingoBoingo;I focused my search too much Sunday on the camping firestarter blocks. 1945792;1571186789;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: lol, dun let this become a life-consuming project 1945793;1571186795;asciilifeform;oughta be pretty quick thing. 1945794;1571187012;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I'll try not to let this consume too much time, but the destructive abrasive decapping of at least some of the NAND should be informative. Should be able to jump from 80 grit to take the plastic off to the diamond bits to ruin the lithography. 1945795;1571187260;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: if the shithole is so impoverished that ~nuffin can be had, an oxypropane torch will work just as well. 1945796;1571187271;asciilifeform;over here they're fiddibux. look in orc shoppe. 1945797;1571187313;asciilifeform;( i assume BingoBoingo has enuff sense not to need reminder to do it under open sky, far from nosy parkers etc , is obv. ) 1945798;1571187413;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The logistics of that will be the last thing worked out. 1945799;1571187639;*;BingoBoingo this week at the feria ended up walking out with just some arepas and one of those nylon web belts with the friction buckle 1945800;1571190291;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: meanwhile , kindergarten arithm: in machine rack (22u) 1 hole occupied by patch panel (1u), power strip (1u), then will need 1u moar of mains sockets , 1u for switch, 1u for shelf (entrance router, apu's) , 1u asciilifeform will reserve for own www box, leaving 16 holes ; in 1 , rk plant will live. 15 for the courageous among l1 . 1945801;1571190346;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: can you side mount more sockets? 1945802;1571190384;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: they dun seem to have side holes, but may be able to 'cheat' and bolt to rear of shelf. if it actually comes that i have a packed booth. 1945803;1571190429;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i expect that will fill pipe and mains (10 ampere) before i physically fill halftower. 1945804;1571190464;BingoBoingo;AH 1945805;1571190486;asciilifeform;the full tower comes with 10x (not misprint) pipe, 1GB. 1945806;1571190506;asciilifeform;guaranteed, supposedly, for 24/7 at full tilt. 1945807;1571190561;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: other nice thing, apparently 'if dun like -- can spit and leave'. month-to-month subscription. 1945808;1571190598;BingoBoingo;That's nice 1945809;1571190615;asciilifeform;after latech, was pleasant surprise. 1945810;1571190684;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i even asked 'where is the display/kbd cart', it was wheeled to me to inspect. 1945811;1571190716;asciilifeform;cart and hydraulic crane is shared, 1 of each per hall, there's 2 halls. 1945812;1571190810;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i inquired whether dc is primary line of biz in that shop. seems that it is not, they bolt together and sell 1 of those 'disk array' things, petabyte ea. there's a factory floor of sorts. 1945813;1571190877;BingoBoingo;Interesting. Sound like when they went shopping they were looking at buildings and the datacenter already happened to be there. 1945814;1571190940;asciilifeform;nao, i do not yet know whether these people are Officially 'ixp'. but appears that serve a similar function, several regional isp are tied together there, and they can process bgpism, service client-owned ip real estate etc 1945815;1571190964;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: dc originally belonged to brit telecom co. 1945816;1571190986;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile in Uruguay: https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/presidenta-del-inisa-propuso-servicio-militar-obligatorio-a-los-18-anos-20191015171111 1945817;1571191013;asciilifeform;lol, draft card for BingoBoingo ? 1945818;1571191029;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Too old. Not (yet) a citizen. 1945819;1571191033;asciilifeform;a. 1945820;1571191106;BingoBoingo;And the military pay here is... Abysmal. By Uruguay standards. Director of the Hospital Militar makes 70,000 pesos a month, because that what his rank gets him. 35+ pesos to the dollar... 1945821;1571191132;asciilifeform;seems ~on-par with e.g. ru. 1945822;1571191156;asciilifeform;( in usa also mil pay is nuffin to brag about. full colonel makes ~same as programmer. ) 1945823;1571191166;BingoBoingo;Privates/sailors get around 10,000 pesos a month which is below the minimum for any other activity in the country at 15,000 pesos 1945824;1571191185;asciilifeform;lol sailors, 3-boat navy 1945825;1571191234;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Well the Armada is also the coast guard. Lots of small boat for that. Also a Naval Infantry that does the motorcycle escort thing. 1945826;1571191315;BingoBoingo;How they keep folks in though is they have a relatively lavish and unfunded "caja militar" for retirement 1945827;1571191318;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 1 more lul re dc expedition -- saw same thing as in uy, some folx have old pentium towers in'ere , plugged into white konsoomer mains strips. apparently this not only in orcistan. 1945828;1571191357;asciilifeform;'how does that fella clean that bottom 'dell' in there?' 'ask him, not us' 1945829;1571191360;BingoBoingo;Well, legacy systems 1945830;1571191752;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: last detail, ips are 2.34 $ ea. ( unless e.g. mp lends piece of ip . [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-15#1945628][mp do you want] ? what wouldja like in exchange ? ) and 2 come 'phree' w/ the basic halftower. 1945831;1571191752;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-15 16:25:46 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-14#1945465 << i'd rather delegate wholesale than create a bits-and-pieces madness. 1945832;1571191878;asciilifeform;asciilifeform asked 'what if i want to buy own'. was shown jawdropping lulz where arin wants not only 'get on wait list' but 1000+ / yr in 'organizational maintenance fee' and +150/yr for each contig. block maintained etc. 1945833;1571191931;asciilifeform;'they also want justification' 'this means what?' 'that you actually use' 'how they verify?' 'that they ping' 'mmok' 1945834;1571191967;asciilifeform;'grandfathered-in' owners apparently pay ~0. 1945835;1571191980;asciilifeform;( i dun expect mp is having to pay, having bought in 'golden age' ) 1945836;1571192012;asciilifeform;lacking a working time machine, asciilifeform did not hurry to buy ip tract, just yet. 1945837;1571192036;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: LACNIC does something similar, but LACNIC headquarters is also ~8 km away from chair for some awful reason. 1945838;1571192091;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: for thread-completeness, they 'if you want'em RIGHT NAO' 'we can hook you up with broker' 'howmuch' '6k for /24' 1945839;1571192111;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: AHA, I just peaked. Some /19s for sale apparently 1945840;1571192122;asciilifeform;peeked? 1945841;1571192183;asciilifeform;sumthing, somewhere, BingoBoingo , is always! for sale. i went to buy 1st small cage, tho, not whole planetoid. planetoid maybe -- later. 1945842;1571192185;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Indeed. 1945843;1571192242;asciilifeform;1st to test that a cage in world's most batshit jurisdiction is actually livable. 1945844;1571192344;*;asciilifeform bbl:moarmeat. 1945845;1571200306;*;asciilifeform purchased metered pdu for cage an' other misc. related necessities. 1945846;1571203900;lobbes;in logotronics news, I discovered a tiny bug in bot.py's debug toggle (of all places). the "if irc_dbg == 1" should be "if int(irc_dbg) == 1" 1945847;1571203903;lobbes;(i.e. it wasn't parsing the "1" from the config, as it was reading it as a string. Thus couldn't properly toggle to debug mode.) 1945848;1571203908;lobbes;Small fix, so I'll probably release a vpatch tomorrow for it. (about to fall asleep right now) 1945849;1571210518;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-15#1945691 << you are completely fucked in the head ; and it's evidently not something anyone can fix. 1945850;1571210518;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-15 19:07:46 asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-15#1945630 << to answer this good q : 'braindamaged' search used search engines ; less-braindamaged turned out to be to walk local biz directories in search of anyffin appearing to offer colo. 1945851;1571210537;mp_en_viaje;listen to this inept shit : "Currently I will not mention the vendor by name here, as I do not yet know the quality of the service" 1945852;1571210570;mp_en_viaje;your article has no LENGTHY EXPLANATION of the important fucking subject, "how the fuck i unfucked my head and stopped using google because google does nothing and here's what does and why and wherefore and what it means" 1945853;1571210583;mp_en_viaje;you just make a throwaway side comment in log WHEN PROMPTED 1945854;1571210608;mp_en_viaje;what the fuck is wrong with you, that your entire life must always hang on the most idiotic, immaterially irrelevant and utterly unrelated conditionals ? 1945855;1571210647;mp_en_viaje;why thr fuck can't you just live ? why can't you be ? why does it always have to hang on whether the planets allign and the socks discolor into the right hue of pink and the tree leaves fall into your drink at the right time ? 1945856;1571210667;mp_en_viaje;can't you just fucking do ANY THING without five hand holdings and nine proddings and what the fuck already. 1945857;1571210698;mp_en_viaje;you've supposedly been reading each trilema article just as it came off the presses for YEARS, yet you're still doing the exact fucking opposite, both of what you see, of what you claim to like, and what you know to work. 1945858;1571210710;mp_en_viaje;is this what, you got a hole in your head, are you reverso-doomed ? 1945859;1571210750;mp_en_viaje;put the damn name in there, if nothing else it'll help you evaluate them. put everything in there. all the time. IT IS WHAT IT IS FOR. 1945860;1571210777;mp_en_viaje;god gave you endless paper and you for your sins and to your detriment aim to economize it ? IT IS FOR WRITING UPON, WRITE UPON IT 1945861;1571210824;mp_en_viaje;be explicit. 1945862;1571210881;mp_en_viaje;i lose nothing for http://trilema.com/2019/how-germany-got-itself-banned-and-western-europe-altogether-isnt-all-that-far-behind/?b=Ram&e=cunts#select ; you lose the world for http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3478#selection-5.65-5.166 1945863;1571211139;mp_en_viaje;i would be much surprised if indeed a full ONE PERCENT of the dependencies you perceive/imagine/hallucinate are actual bona fide legitimate dependencies. you live your life in the http://trilema.com/2014/ubuntu-is-a-worse-piece-of-shit-than-ms-dos-ever-was/ style ; naming some outfit doesn't depend on whether they're good, it depends on whether they're important, which they are already since you drove there. explaining what you did and why you did 1945864;1571211139;mp_en_viaje; it is important because look at all the fucking morons who apparent;y can't do it. etcetera, stop hanging everything on unrelated nothing, it's the death of you. 1945865;1571211207;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-15#1945694 >> motherfucker. 1945866;1571211207;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-15 19:19:48 asciilifeform: ^ article will disappoint folx who wanted to see the coffee, board rooms, other 'imponade', these can show later if anyone gives a shit. so far just the goods. 1945867;1571211230;mp_en_viaje;you mentioned them. TWICE -- once because ~they were important enough to show~ and then ONCE MORE to excuse the not showing. just how fucked in the head are you, srsly. 1945868;1571211410;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-15#1945725 << fwiw i had dozens of sticks hammered into inexistence. you want a 3-5kg hammer, the first 2-3 hits expose the chips no matter what, the plasticovers fly like insect elitrae. then the chips become dust in 2-3 more hits, can count 3-5 sticks dead / minute in qualified hammerer hands. 1945869;1571211410;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-15 21:47:28 BingoBoingo: trinque: As it stands the plan is destructively decap and then abrade chips before hammering. 1945870;1571211470;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-15#1945732 << fire makes too much fumes. srsly now, hammer one for your information, then see. 1945871;1571211471;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-15 21:57:32 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if the shithole is so impoverished that ~nuffin can be had, an oxypropane torch will work just as well. 1945872;1571211592;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-15#1945751 << really sounds like a pretty good deal. i'm sure without asking you are still imbecile, eschewed my suggrstion of buying guy lunch. 1945873;1571211592;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-15 22:58:52 asciilifeform: nao, i do not yet know whether these people are Officially 'ixp'. but appears that serve a similar function, several regional isp are tied together there, and they can process bgpism, service client-owned ip real estate etc 1945874;1571211637;mp_en_viaje;then will systematically eschew building relationships for 1-2-3y however long this lasts, through combination of above-examined "dependopotamacy" in your head, natural shyness and paranoia, and assorted other warts ; then when they implode it'll be pizarro all over again, no options and no clue. 1945875;1571211650;mp_en_viaje;because why the fuck like some man you meet or buy a steak for some man you like or anything in the vein of life. 1945876;1571211663;mp_en_viaje;gotta wait for hilary's second coming first, and THEN 1945877;1571211778;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-15#1945764 << and, i suppose, "pics if anyone asks hurr durr" yes ? oh, good. 1945878;1571211778;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-15 23:05:11 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 1 more lul re dc expedition -- saw same thing as in uy, some folx have old pentium towers in'ere , plugged into white konsoomer mains strips. apparently this not only in orcistan. 1945879;1571211823;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-15#1945767 << i would like you to get all the disparate c blocks he's willing to sell you ; and to stop being what you call "conservative" and which only can be called being an idiot. 1945880;1571211823;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-15 23:12:24 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: last detail, ips are 2.34 $ ea. ( unless e.g. mp lends piece of ip . [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-15#1945628][mp do you want] ? what wouldja like in exchange ? ) and 2 come 'phree' w/ the basic halftower. 1945881;1571211898;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-15#1945774 << that's ok, my prague hotel across the street from radio free europe / radio liberty / etc hq 1945882;1571211898;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-15 23:17:08 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: LACNIC does something similar, but LACNIC headquarters is also ~8 km away from chair for some awful reason. 1945883;1571212104;mp_en_viaje;anyway, ima take the sluts for breakfast. 1945884;1571212157;mp_en_viaje;o no wait, i mean, ima go check the third decimal of my laser-temperature measurer, if it happens to be nine ima go walk up and down the hallway for exactly 4 minutes 44 seconds, if i count exactly 395 paces THEN ima tqake the sluts for breakfast. 1945885;1571212164;mp_en_viaje;otherwise they can just fucking starve. 1945886;1571212169;mp_en_viaje;alflogic. 1945887;1571215109;mp_en_viaje;ahhh. 1945888;1571215203;mp_en_viaje;so im sitting there in the buffet breakfast area, with two girls standing on either side ready to serve, enjoying my tomcat perch, shooting gazes at all the other dudes, "oh, joe, no suit ?" "oh moe, where's YOUR slavegirls ?" until everyone's just eating with their head bent to the degree their face and their egg are contiguous media. 1945889;1571215204;mp_en_viaje;go me. 1945890;1571215299;mp_en_viaje;TWO valets, WITH tits. a standard never before deployed in the history of feudalism. a duke might, MAYBE, get two pages, but that'd be just about it. 1945891;1571215301;mp_en_viaje;GO ME. 1945892;1571226399;mp_en_viaje;in other sads, ~all of the czech republic has a massive connectivity issue ; no fucking internet in prague's worth the mention, my remote-over-telco links are just as bad because it's not tcp/ip level but actually telco level, and for some reason satcover here is shit right no 1945893;1571226414;mp_en_viaje;nfi wtf, but horribru connectivity every which way, you'd think i moved to alaska. 1945894;1571231184;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945788 << i copied directly from diana_coman's [https://archive.is/j7DES]['no free advertising for new park until at least ~tested~'] . ordinarily would have immediately named... wai no flame for diana_coman's piece ? 1945895;1571231185;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-16 04:25:30 mp_en_viaje: listen to this inept shit : "Currently I will not mention the vendor by name here, as I do not yet know the quality of the service" 1945896;1571231313;asciilifeform;think, suppose i brag about 'ooh i leased a rack, such great doors and coffees' and then week later not plugged in. or entirely scamola. 1945897;1571231373;asciilifeform;in the ~logs~ incidentally , [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-14#1945459][said which firm exactly] , ftr . 1945898;1571231373;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-14 22:01:35 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it aint 'properly' small tho. seems to be owned by some conglomerate. [https://www.coloco.net/]['coloco']. 1945899;1571231500;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945804 << i'ma be goin' there ~daily in short order, will have all the photographies and minute-by-minute writeups anyone can stomach. atm trying to actually equip the cage, remember that it has to be done w/ hands, and the irons purchased. i dun have slaves to do it. 1945900;1571231501;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-16 04:37:03 mp_en_viaje: you mentioned them. TWICE -- once because ~they were important enough to show~ and then ONCE MORE to excuse the not showing. just how fucked in the head are you, srsly. 1945901;1571231582;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945809 << lunch actually set for when pick up keys. and asciilifeform never 1nce had a landlord who wouldn't spend evening with him , or 7y later wouldn't beg to stay . 1945902;1571231582;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-16 04:43:05 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-15#1945751 << really sounds like a pretty good deal. i'm sure without asking you are still imbecile, eschewed my suggrstion of buying guy lunch. 1945903;1571231729;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945811 << unlike piz, i'ma not only cultivate this 1 fella, and personally, but intend to find a hot spare. cuz they actually exist. and yes will chronicle how unearthed. atm occupied w/ actually having what to go in that 1st cage when it goes live. 1945904;1571231729;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-16 04:43:50 mp_en_viaje: then will systematically eschew building relationships for 1-2-3y however long this lasts, through combination of above-examined "dependopotamacy" in your head, natural shyness and paranoia, and assorted other warts ; then when they implode it'll be pizarro all over again, no options and no clue. 1945905;1571231863;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945816 << in that shop, they dun ~sell~ blocks, but lease by the single ip. what was offered , is to connect with broker who sells. i inquired, min. purchase is /24 from their broker, at 6k usd. imho oughta comparison-shop before shelling out, price seemed astronomical ( am i rube ? always 6k ? ) 1945906;1571231864;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-16 04:46:56 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-15#1945767 << i would like you to get all the disparate c blocks he's willing to sell you ; and to stop being what you call "conservative" and which only can be called being an idiot. 1945907;1571232078;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945831 - uhm, let me cite from footnote 1: "I can't really give their name since they don't yet have an identity really, seeing how they don't have anybody with a registered key" 1945908;1571232078;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-16 10:09:39 asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945788 << i copied directly from diana_coman's [https://archive.is/j7DES]['no free advertising for new park until at least ~tested~'] . ordinarily would have immediately named... wai no flame for diana_coman's piece ? 1945909;1571232113;diana_coman;ie no identity, not "not enough testing"; and I promptly added their name as soon as maxim registered the key. 1945910;1571232134;asciilifeform;diana_coman: the way i read it, it was on acct of both 'not yet key' and 'not yet known whether worx' 1945911;1571232216;asciilifeform;diana_coman: not to mention, yest. diana_coman did not say 'idjit, why not named vendor immediately' ? why waited for mp to barf ? 1945912;1571232260;diana_coman;asciilifeform: dunno if that footnote sentence can be any clearer really; and re ^ uhmm, what?? 1945913;1571232326;diana_coman;asciilifeform: fwiw yes, reading it I had this moment "wtf doesn't he name them" but no, I don't *always* shout, lol. 1945914;1571232358;asciilifeform;ok on reread , seems that i posted init. chronicle after diana_coman already asleep. so fair point. 1945915;1571232392;asciilifeform;i'ma amend the article. 1945916;1571232763;diana_coman;asciilifeform: anyway, since you are asking for it: what's with this "oh, but X also did it !!!" approach? it's unpleasantly reminiscent of primary school not to say worse. 1945917;1571232781;*;asciilifeform amended [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3478][orig '1st hour' chronicle piece w/ name of vendor], per mp and diana_coman's criticism. 1945918;1571232823;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i suppose is what i get for cribbing from people w/out thinking. 1945919;1571232998;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i'ma ask the crew if they'd like to be personally pictured in the next phototour, also. they had some strange fixation re 'if you sublease space, plz dun use our brand', so left'em out of the pic. 1945920;1571233048;asciilifeform;( they were in branded livery ) 1945921;1571233284;diana_coman;asciilifeform: why not invite the main contact to meet in town out of office hours, what 1945922;1571233307;diana_coman;he'll be out of livery so no brand too, plus can talk like normal people, can take picture etc 1945923;1571233344;asciilifeform;diana_coman: friday. and right, i expect he'll be in civ clothes. 1945924;1571233366;asciilifeform;exactly as you said. 1945925;1571233407;asciilifeform;diana_coman: his assistant apparently reads my www. him also. 1945926;1571233455;diana_coman;ha; so invite him to come on irc too, in #a or in #o if you prefer, what's the problem 1945927;1571233539;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i fully intend to attempt to turn the 2 into 'people' (vs 'horse') but would like to avoid having'em stampede away immediately like your various vendors galloped. ( will just as readily 'ride as horse' if must, the bloody rack is so cheap as 'almost free', i've been paying almost half of that sum for the retarded hoster where my www is currently ) 1945928;1571233575;diana_coman;asciilifeform: this is why I said invite them to irc rather than directly ask them to register key, lol; but sure, it's your show entirely 1945929;1571233651;asciilifeform;diana_coman: so far only had <2h w/em, and largely occupied w/ formalities. 1945930;1571233742;diana_coman;fwiw data centres here will rent lockable quarter/half/full racks from ~240, 350, 600 gbp, respectively; the saddest part being anyway the fact that they are still all quite same regimented style otherwise as far as I can see. 1945931;1571233764;asciilifeform;that sounds peculiarly costly. do these at least come with Gb/s ? 1945932;1571233779;asciilifeform;wb mp_en_viaje 1945933;1571233798;mp_en_viaje;heya! 1945934;1571233802;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: fair cop btw. i amended the article. 1945935;1571233835;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, good for you. and bear it in mind, you know ? there's nothing you can possibly say you'll regret later. the regrets always from not saying. 1945936;1571233863;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: yer right tho. i can always 'un-advertise''em laters, if the thing's a dud. 1945937;1571233873;diana_coman;asciilifeform: usually they do, yes; and willing to eat ddos or so they claim 1945938;1571233886;mp_en_viaje;in other news, ima spend the long weekend in budapest, after which ill be in prague all next week, if someone feels like dropping by the hotel's on me. 1945939;1571233903;diana_coman;the one hotel in prague? lolz 1945940;1571233906;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i was fwiw shown a room fulla round-the-clock fiddlers who supposedly handle ddos. 1945941;1571233930;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, precisely ; and even if you're scammed, or anything else. what, so you were scammed, who's gonna hold it against ~you~. as long as you behave rationally documentation's your friend. often, your only friend. 1945942;1571233936;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: is jurov alive ? iirc he's in prague 1945943;1571233958;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, just about, actually. i swear to god, this place is something else, wonderful night life, accomodation starvation. 1945944;1571233963;mp_en_viaje;oh is he ? yo jurov 1945945;1571233970;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: entirely so. and i'ma chronicle the thing properly, get the photo-shy people into the photos if at all possible. 1945946;1571233997;mp_en_viaje;cool. 1945947;1571234160;asciilifeform;diana_coman: 600gbp for Gb/s and full tower is only 1.5x what 'coloco' asks for same. probably inescapable given the expense of errything brit, and not necessarily bad deal if it's a cage that can get to with own hands. may be worth 2nd look 1945948;1571234174;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945842 << at some point it was a few bux for lifetime, coming to like maybe 1k for cblock (256 ips nominally in a c block) 1945949;1571234174;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-16 10:20:58 asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945816 << in that shop, they dun ~sell~ blocks, but lease by the single ip. what was offered , is to connect with broker who sells. i inquired, min. purchase is /24 from their broker, at 6k usd. imho oughta comparison-shop before shelling out, price seemed astronomical ( am i rube ? always 6k ? ) 1945950;1571234201;mp_en_viaje;but i suspect this discussion is a lot like "is bitcoin worth it". if you can get one, in the sense of, yours, you want one. if you already have one not necessarily, but if you already have 0 then yes necessarily. 1945951;1571234221;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: apparently arin [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-15#1945769][put in 'maintenance fees'] and various fascism for new buyers. 1945952;1571234221;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-15 23:14:30 asciilifeform: asciilifeform asked 'what if i want to buy own'. was shown jawdropping lulz where arin wants not only 'get on wait list' but 1000+ / yr in 'organizational maintenance fee' and +150/yr for each contig. block maintained etc. 1945953;1571234232;mp_en_viaje;idea is to buy an "old" thing somehow. 1945954;1571234239;asciilifeform;i'ma have to get the word from horse's mouth tho, and haggle directly. 1945955;1571234247;diana_coman;asciilifeform: supposedly can get to it with own hands, yes (or possibly someone else using severed hand since "key + biometric") 1945956;1571234250;*;diana_coman will bbl 1945957;1571234253;mp_en_viaje;most serious outfits have dedicated ip wizard / greybeard, because it's arcana by now. 1945958;1571234267;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, traditional method is people buy the shell of co with reg and naught else. 1945959;1571234280;mp_en_viaje;there's other alternatives and etc, it's srsly a whole cant. 1945960;1571234285;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: seems to be how 'coloco' acquired their. 1945961;1571234291;mp_en_viaje;i expect 1945962;1571234298;asciilifeform;ate corpse of british telecom co. 1945963;1571234327;mp_en_viaje;the one point i'm making here is that this is worth having if one's serious about their own ontology. 1945964;1571234336;mp_en_viaje;hence the 0-1 bitcoin comparison. 1945965;1571234374;asciilifeform;it's defo worth having. and i'd like to buy a quantity, but 1st to investigate whether even possible w/out selling organs. 1945966;1571234383;mp_en_viaje;leave your mark in this world. kill some of the boys born the same as year as you. hurt some of the girls. make a dent. 1945967;1571234450;asciilifeform;( even if i'd dropped immediately that 6k on the table, apparently takes weeks, rather than 'RIGHT NAO' , so will have to start with certain # of plebian leased ips . ) 1945968;1571234472;mp_en_viaje;yeah, there's no rush. 1945969;1571234594;asciilifeform;(speaking as almost complete ignoramus re subj) : mp_en_viaje do you know how 'well-behaved' is arin ? i.e. do they routinely confiscate ip blox from 'undesirables' the way the dns people do ? 1945970;1571234629;asciilifeform;( cuz if not : where do their auction-block ips come from ? i was told 'ipv4 is full' etc ) 1945971;1571235023;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945892 << here btw also 'tea ceremonies' w/ fingerprint doors etc. they dun even need 'severed hand', there's a well-documented process using piece of sausage and gelatin etc. it's a theatrical furniture, these . 1945972;1571235023;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-16 11:00:42 diana_coman: asciilifeform: supposedly can get to it with own hands, yes (or possibly someone else using severed hand since "key + biometric") 1945973;1571235181;asciilifeform;here they even had 'face reader' etc. stage props. i did not find it interesting, considering who it is who actually steals boxes in practice, none of these do a lick of good (or harm, really) afaik. 1945974;1571235286;asciilifeform;...fwiw i've never 1nce heard of anyone other than landlord ( either at behest of officious snoops or on own initiative ) pinching a racked box. 1945975;1571235407;*;asciilifeform brb:tea 1945976;1571235575;mp_en_viaje;fucking czech internets holy shit. 1945977;1571235604;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945906 << i don't specifically know ; there's precedent saying old owners actually own the numbers in question which so far has been upheld 1945978;1571235604;mp_en_viaje;might eventually reverse, all it takes is one senate wank. 1945979;1571235604;mp_en_viaje;item in question (from NSF General Counsel Lawrence Rudolph ) : NSF transferred a ‘thing of value’ to the awardee under the NSF-NSI Cooperative Agreement, and that awardee in turn gave it to you. …we [NSF] know of no provision under the Cooperative Agreement which would have authorized the awardee (NSI) to unilaterally reclaim IPv4 number blocks, once distributed. 1945980;1571235604;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-16 11:06:29 asciilifeform: (speaking as almost complete ignoramus re subj) : mp_en_viaje do you know how 'well-behaved' is arin ? i.e. do they routinely confiscate ip blox from 'undesirables' the way the dns people do ? 1945981;1571235604;mp_en_viaje; The NSF has never had a cooperative agreement, or any other agreement, with ARIN or any other similarly situated entity. In short, NSF does not believe that ARIN, or for that matter any other organization, could retroactively affect property and rights distributed to you (or any other recipient) by awardee NSI under its Cooperative Agreement with the National Science Foundation. 1945982;1571235609;mp_en_viaje;pretty sure i have the whole thing somewhere, could fish it out and upload if you want. 1945983;1571235611;mp_en_viaje;anyway, john curran & co whined long and hard about it, and will continue to do so until arin dissolved. 1945984;1571235756;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: ty, making sand with a 5lb hammer sounds like the right thing. Also fun. 1945985;1571235785;mp_en_viaje;cheap and easy, why bother with complex 1945986;1571235829;BingoBoingo;Right. Also fast and sand spreads well. 1945987;1571235835;mp_en_viaje;i did say 3-5kg as those are all i ever tried ; but a ladies' 5lb version prolly just as good, w=mv^2 after all 1945988;1571235885;mp_en_viaje;in other horrors, i'm sitting here watching this other box literally cycle through interfaces. NOTHING WORKS. every 3-5 mins, reconnects to somethingelse. 1945989;1571235913;mp_en_viaje;it's like the whole country's on dial-up, howthe fuck could they botch comms so badly these people. 1945990;1571235920;BingoBoingo;I'll probably see what the 12 ouncer I flew in does outa curiosity. 1945991;1571236340;BingoBoingo;Apparently ARIN on occasion gets pissy about the IPv4 brokers http://qntra.net/2019/05/violence-today-modern-democracy-bringing-misery-to-indonesia-arin-iran-and-bolton-watch/ 1945992;1571236361;mp_en_viaje;o woot qntra agains 1945993;1571236375;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, arin's bidniss is to get pissy, in fact 1945994;1571236394;mp_en_viaje;they're like the eu parliament, kiddy/toy "institution" for no purpose than the having 1945995;1571236408;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: Still have to start producing new qntras, but indeed lives 1945996;1571239090;asciilifeform;wb qntra ! 1945997;1571239164;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945916 << this is approx what asciilifeform expected ( wai would 1 usg committee be magically different from others in this respect ) 1945998;1571239164;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-16 11:23:19 mp_en_viaje: might eventually reverse, all it takes is one senate wank. 1945999;1571239207;asciilifeform;the 1 thing, i suspect, that keeps the show going, is the reich's desire to prevent e.g. ru, cn, from forming own 'arin' and properly splitting off. 1946000;1571239246;asciilifeform;( i.e. similar to what kept the 'swift' organization pretending to neutrality, until recent yrs , as i understand it ) 1946001;1571241001;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945928 >> interestingly, linked piece paints a somewhat cheaper picture than earlier thrd : 1946002;1571241002;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-16 11:35:35 BingoBoingo: Apparently ARIN on occasion gets pissy about the IPv4 brokers http://qntra.net/2019/05/violence-today-modern-democracy-bringing-misery-to-indonesia-arin-iran-and-bolton-watch/ 1946003;1571241003;asciilifeform;'Despite their current market value of between $13 and $19 per IP addresses, ARIN continues to provide IP addresses to its "members" for no direct cost, a holdover from the early days of the internet when IP allocation was literally a free-for-all. Depending on the size of a company, you pay ARIN an annual membership fee that starts at just $250. Members then pay between $100 and $500 for an address block with an annual maintenance f 1946004;1571241003;asciilifeform;ee of $150 per block.' 1946005;1571241042;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Well, it is a moving situation. 1946006;1571241049;asciilifeform;then again asciilifeform was told 'fee went up very recently', will have to investigate. 1946007;1571241155;asciilifeform;'Officially, companies are not allowed to sell their IP addresses but in practice that rule is widely flouted by peddling them through brokers and then putting a transfer through ARIN's systems. ARIN is, of course, aware of the black market in addresses, but decided, after long debate, not to change the fundamental way it distributes and shifts them. It does, however, scrutinize transfers, and in this case an error in one of Golestan 1946008;1571241155;asciilifeform;'s transfer requests caused ARIN to take a closer look.' 1946009;1571241192;asciilifeform;pretty great, you buy, and then mebbe later they 'oops, this wasn't legit'. 1946010;1571241202;asciilifeform;sounds moar like e.g. usa real estate, than btc. 1946011;1571245633;asciilifeform;diana_coman: you mentioned rk ; i've prepared an rk for you, using same type of ssd as prev. lemme know if you want a different type. it will be installed as soon as i get keyz to the magick door and have the entrance router configged (it arrives, loox like, on fri. also) 1946012;1571245719;asciilifeform;diana_coman: if you'd like an exact image copy of your old rk, we can work with BingoBoingo , could gpg . otherwise will be 'virginal' as described in [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2295][my 'gentoo for rk' cookbook.] 1946013;1571245828;*;asciilifeform still not calculated what to charge for these, and must do so quickly. i'ma give folx month 'test drive' tho, given the untestedness of the whole orchestra . 1946014;1571245868;asciilifeform;will guarantee that will cost less than previously, however. they dun need to be flown across whole planet anymoar.. 1946015;1571245888;diana_coman;asciilifeform: an exact image copy of my piz rk would be great (saving the reinstall of all sorts) 1946016;1571245944;diana_coman;tbh it did its blog-host job perfectly fine so far 1946017;1571245946;asciilifeform;aite, let's ask BingoBoingo to dd if=/dev/thatstick | gzip > diana_coman.img.gz and then gpg to asciilifeform . i'ma modify it strictly as required to sit down on new ip and naught else. 1946018;1571245954;diana_coman;asciilifeform: thank you 1946019;1571245960;asciilifeform;np! 1946020;1571245991;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform diana_coman: Aite, I'll put it on the list. 1946021;1571246021;asciilifeform;ty BingoBoingo . i purchased exact same ssd stick as used prior, so oughta sit down cleanly. 1946022;1571246026;diana_coman;BingoBoingo: thank you! 1946023;1571246048;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: copy the sd also ( they oughta be standard, but iirc diana_coman may have modded the kernel, and i'd like it carried over guaranteed ) 1946024;1571246125;asciilifeform;in re 'when' : if coloco folx told the troof re 'key on friday', i expect oughta have this in by mon. 1946025;1571246125;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Getting the sd will require re-opening the conversation with the Latecho folks. 1946026;1571246153;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: not essential, then will put standard asciilifeform-rk kernel , and correct if necessary. 1946027;1571246237;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: what's your current war plan re that circus tho ? 1946028;1571246680;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I'm thinking I propose we sign some text to end the contract by mutual consent, this leaves open the opportunity to pursue damages for the breaches unless they start negotiating some compensation. At this point though I'm inclined to just get the stitches attaching my scrotum to them cut, but if you really want me to pursue damages I can try that but it will require as MP pointed out... time in to Uruguay to continue 1946029;1571246680;BingoBoingo;pushing people, places, and things. 1946030;1571246691;BingoBoingo;That and picking a date to get the rest of the stuff out. 1946031;1571246725;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: you were gonna get an estimate from the abogato, neh ? re feasibility/times/costs. 1946032;1571246787;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: as discussed prev., if latech won't 'amicable' yer gonna need 1 anyway. that, or parachute. 1946033;1571246849;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The one affiliated with the accountant has been busy with some sort of other litigation, and cleaning up the other things has slowed the search for alternatives. 1946034;1571246883;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: They have been silent, presumably sweating since Friday. 1946035;1571246904;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: when init stages of cleanup op done, this oughta be 1st thing to do imho. 1946036;1571247000;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I've got a small pile of contact information to churn through. Challenge so far has been carving out concrete time to take conversations further than gathering contacts. 1946037;1571247281;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i dun expect it is possible to get serious damages outta the latech corpse. but if you botch this basic step entirely, i expect uy will become a very hot bath for BingoBoingo . 1946038;1571247373;asciilifeform;mod6 not yet spoken, but asciilifeform 100% opposes any further movement of any kinda moneys ~into~ latech from piggy , on any pretext whatsoever. 1946039;1571247426;BingoBoingo;I concur with no further money into their piggy bank. 1946040;1571247435;asciilifeform;it's 'out' or nuffin. 1946041;1571247535;asciilifeform;to lawyer -- maybe. if mod6 concurs. to get BingoBoingo out ? any day of week, and i promised to personally extract him if needed. but to latech, no pasaran. 1946042;1571247611;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: so, as i understand, you have 2wks for to figure this item out. 1946043;1571247848;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-11#1944995 << I informed then in writing that they are in breach. Maxi's weasle response and their silence suggests they are aware expecting to receive notice of a suit. 1946044;1571247849;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-11 21:50:30 mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, nah, it reads like "legal told us we'll prolly end up paying through the nose and we told them we know better an' now gonna prove it! PEOPLE DO ANYTHING WE TELL THEM TO!!!" 1946045;1571247943;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: likely 1946046;1571248032;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i'm 100% in favour, ftr, of suit. but before can use the piggy , must get prelim data and for mod6 to concur . 1946047;1571248096;asciilifeform;the piggy aint the only resource, btw, being wasted, if there's 0 chance of a win, there is also BingoBoingo's time . 1946048;1571248695;BingoBoingo;I'm thinking something like: I propose we mutually end this contract. Here's a draft termination agreement for your consideration: [very basic mutual termination letter notably omitting any waiver holding them harmless for their breaches while including a waiver of all claims they may have/invent against me] and ask them what language and terms they want to include in the agreement to avoid "[http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10 1946049;1571248695;BingoBoingo;-11#1944982][pursue the matter through the legal system, so as to bring you as close to never being able to perpetuate such in the future as at all possible]" 1946050;1571248707;BingoBoingo;And remind them: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-11#1944993 1946051;1571248707;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-11 21:49:27 BingoBoingo: The remaining months of the contract, if they'd performed would have grossed for them maybe enough for them to get an ancient VW "Kombi" in the local automotive market that may or may not run. Maxi's "we want to work in an amicable way to finish this contract" sounds a lot like they want to say "please pay us to term even though we have become non-performant" while at the same time betraying the lack of balls and/ 1946052;1571248732;asciilifeform;i'd comment, but this is squarely a q for actual abogado, and/or mp , quite above asciilifeform's grade . 1946053;1571248750;BingoBoingo;But they can sweat a few more days. 1946054;1571248871;BingoBoingo;Anyways, they have less time on their clock than I do. 1946055;1571248967;BingoBoingo;And whatever "Force Majure" they try to claim with respect to internet weather can't indemnify them against their agents saying stupid and dishonest things. 1946056;1571249118;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i'd imagine so; but given mp's reminder that 'yer in a ~lawless orcistan' ' what asciilifeform imagines ' aint worth the electrons, i suspect 1946057;1571249207;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: If this were a truly lawless orcistan there'd be more pichis squatting in poured concrete structures and less camping outdoors 1946058;1571249227;asciilifeform;not all pichis squat in concrete, apparently some (pretend-to) run dc's... 1946059;1571249272;BingoBoingo;The civil and commercial codes were produced in a time when this country still had men and read thusly. 1946060;1571249357;asciilifeform;this is where i admit that i've nfi what sorta judges, etc. in that orcistan, and what e.g. latech is counting on when goes around scamming BingoBoingos. ( inaction of victim ? or connivance of judge ? or what is their krysha ? etc ) 1946061;1571249428;BingoBoingo;They seem to be counting on resignation and illiteracy. 1946062;1571249466;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: if that's genuinely ~errything~ they've going for'em, then BingoBoingo oughta win. 1946063;1571249654;BingoBoingo;The defensive reply from Friday suggests that is all. The man the put in charge of communicating with me has been neither candid nor honest. They also had the great misfortune of my walking in last Monday to see servers cooking, an incident that indicates they are not in fact running a datacenter by any recognized standard. 1946064;1571249680;BingoBoingo;Or definition of datacenter. 1946065;1571249726;*;asciilifeform brb:meat. 1946066;1571249844;feedbot;http://www.krankendenken.com/2019/10/debug_toggle_fixkvvpatch/ << Krankendenken -- debug_toggle_fix.kv.vpatch 1946067;1571249855;lobbes;achtung panzers: ^ above vpatch for debugger toggle only. (No pressing need to update your bot.py right now unless you plan to debug it in the near future.) 1946068;1571249957;mod6;<+asciilifeform> mod6 not yet spoken, but asciilifeform 100% opposes any further movement of any kinda moneys ~into~ latech from piggy , on any pretext whatsoever. << Yeah, no more money for them. 1946069;1571250047;mod6;I feel like the best we can hope for here is to tear up the remaining part of the contract, which, iirc, continues through the end of Feb. 2020. 1946070;1571250071;mod6;Which, may be useful to have representation for such a discussion with the tards. 1946071;1571250557;BingoBoingo;http://bingology.net/2019/10/16/reasonable-lamp-setup-for-mp-wp-on-centos-6-and-anyserver-terms-of-use/ << bvt hanbot nicoleci peterl Please note that anyserver is not the place to put IRC bouncers 1946072;1571250585;BingoBoingo;At least not without askign 1946073;1571250646;feedbot;http://bingology.net/2019/10/16/reasonable-lamp-setup-for-mp-wp-on-centos-6-and-anyserver-terms-of-use/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Reasonable LAMP Setup For MP-WP On CentOS 6 (And 'anyserver' terms of use) 1946074;1571266970;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/10/what-happened-when-qntra-was-down-again/ << Qntra -- What Happened When Qntra Was Down (Again) 1946075;1571269593;lobbes;you can't keep a good qntra down 1946076;1571269596;lobbes;mp_en_viaje: re: mp-wp bot's [http://www.krankendenken.com/2019/10/mp-wp-bot-workplan-now-until-november-3rd/?b=bot%20will%20spit%20out&e=#select][spitting of the files], do you want some automated cleanup of said directory at every Nth file, or fine to just leave them be? Also, are you fine if they are static php files or is html (with teh embedded php) an absolute must? 1946077;1571270211;asciilifeform;mod6: right 1946078;1571270250;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1946003 << genuine bug, and ty lobbes , eagle eyes. 1946079;1571270251;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-16 15:20:41 feedbot: http://www.krankendenken.com/2019/10/debug_toggle_fixkvvpatch/ << Krankendenken -- debug_toggle_fix.kv.vpatch 1946080;1571270366;*;asciilifeform reserving 3 whole u for rk (up to 48 will fit...) in experimental cage. and folx encouraged to install e.g. 'bouncers' -- the sooner find out what kinda flood this thing will eat, the better imho 1946081;1571270491;asciilifeform;!!up baitbot 1946082;1571270491;deedbot;baitbot voiced for 30 minutes. 1946083;1571270493;asciilifeform;!q uptime 1946084;1571270493;baitbot;asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 9d 3h 33m 1946085;1571270500;asciilifeform;^ the ddos people are sleepin' on the job tho 1946086;1571270607;asciilifeform;it can't all be reserved just for mp's dish modem, can it.. 1946087;1571270954;feedbot;http://bingology.net/2019/10/17/some-uruguay-pictures/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Some Uruguay Pictures 1946088;1571271230;BingoBoingo;In other local news court issued a restraing order against the outgoing President and his cabinet forbidding their continued use of the Presidential web to spread election propaganda. 1946089;1571272521;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Maybe give it a reset? 1946090;1571272535;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: wainot 1946091;1571273546;feedbot;http://bingology.net/2019/10/06/i-sit-i-weigh/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- I Sit. I Weigh. 1946092;1571273560;BingoBoingo;^Restored post from archive.is 1946093;1571273564;BingoBoingo;Not a new one 1946094;1571282903;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/10/python-runtime-differences-across-platforms-do-different-math/ << Qntra -- Python Runtime Differences Across Platforms Do Different Math 1946095;1571283351;lobbes;BingoBoingo: the archive.is (http://archive.is/GONGW) link in the above Qntra goes to a "not found" (at least on my end) 1946096;1571283427;BingoBoingo;lobbes: ty, changed it to link about the think instead of the thing. 1946097;1571284347;trinque;BingoBoingo: looks like anyone that cared grabbed their backup from me already. 1946098;1571284368;trinque;do you have the originals in case someone wakes up after I delete? 1946099;1571284688;mp_en_viaje;jeez, spent the night with a bottle and a gaggle o' sluts at the strip club, slept for a few hours and i'm like... up. 1946100;1571284701;mp_en_viaje;what the fuck is going on with me, i'm morphing into the borg over here 1946101;1571284780;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945947 << the idea wasn't that it's "like bitcoin" functionally, ie, works the same way. the idea was that it's like bitcoin substantially, ie, IS the same thing. 1946102;1571284781;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-16 12:56:37 asciilifeform: sounds moar like e.g. usa real estate, than btc. 1946103;1571284804;BingoBoingo;trinque: I do have the original .tar.gz.gpg files, yes. Also have a server now. 1946104;1571284832;mp_en_viaje;you gotta have some of everything to be. this is the bar. as a schoolchild in sovok, gotta have a slingshot, and a tube for shooting paper cone things, and i dunno, a depeche mode casette tape or w/e the fuck you faggots did back in the day. 1946105;1571284871;mp_en_viaje;very similarily, to be person must have a few senators, a few houses, a few cars, a few women etc etc. either you have a few of all the kinds of things that exist or you're not a person. 1946106;1571284918;mp_en_viaje;the "oh, we're about to replace ye olde internet anyways" works as an argument against TRYING TO CORNER THE MARKET. that's a very different thing, you might say "i don't intend to own a quarter of all ips because tmsr's gonna replace the dumb shit anyways". 1946107;1571284927;mp_en_viaje;you can't say "i'm not going to own ANY". 1946108;1571284954;mp_en_viaje;it's a thing, and as long as it's a thing you own some ; dun even matter what you think about it, you can deem it as evil as you wish ; as long as it's a thing you get yourself some. 1946109;1571287238;mp_en_viaje;motherfucker, it ate my last line. sorry, my internet is so shitty ima have to go into async mode here. offline block below : 1946110;1571287239;mp_en_viaje;and that http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-16#1936667 discuission dovetails RIGHT [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-17#1946045][in here], too. this is why that. 1946111;1571287239;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945955 << this incidentally is a great service! 1946112;1571287239;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945965 << i would suggest you ask for money. you really have ~0 incentive to let them walk. you don't have to pursue anything specifically for this, either. 1946113;1571287239;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-16 05:59:44 mircea_popescu: that's what you do with every dime you can save : you buy your own tools! to become journeyman! 1946114;1571287239;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-17 01:05:53 mp_en_viaje: it's a thing, and as long as it's a thing you own some ; dun even matter what you think about it, you can deem it as evil as you wish ; as long as it's a thing you get yourself some. 1946115;1571287239;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-16 14:15:50 diana_coman: asciilifeform: thank you 1946116;1571287239;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-16 14:27:56 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm thinking I propose we sign some text to end the contract by mutual consent, this leaves open the opportunity to pursue damages for the breaches unless they start negotiating some compensation. At this point though I'm inclined to just get the stitches attaching my scrotum to them cut, but if you really want me to pursue damages I can try that but it will require as MP pointed out... time in to U 1946117;1571287240;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945974 << practically : a) they may offer a little for you to go away, but this is unlikely because, principally, ustarded 3-ring binder "corporation" bullshit ; as evinced many other places, usgtarded precious cuntlets (which is 100% what usgistani "corporations" are anymore, since they started hiring the stupid cunts, and then gave "hr" and "corporate" bla bla over to them) would rather starve to 1946118;1571287240;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-16 14:37:57 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i dun expect it is possible to get serious damages outta the latech corpse. but if you botch this basic step entirely, i expect uy will become a very hot bath for BingoBoingo . 1946119;1571287245;mp_en_viaje; death than go on their knees begging. 1946120;1571287247;mp_en_viaje;though it's thoroughly fucked that erstwhile "richest country in the world", they're [http://trilema.com/2015/very-bad-things/?b=not%20to%20be&e=Kyle#select][not ordinary, kyle], and none of this can't possibly be happening to them, and surely if they just close their eyes harder and wish stronger-er the cock's going away, [http://trilema.com/2016/the-humiliation-intensifies/][believe]. girlihood problems. also, uruguay poor, as a 2nd consideratio 1946121;1571287252;mp_en_viaje;n there. 1946122;1571287254;mp_en_viaje;b) it is unlikely any lawyer you don't previously know will treat this as anything but a meal ticket. much like usg doctors don't treat the underlying condition in the sense of getting rid of it, but treat it as a cash cow, in the sense of maximizing their own income from it, the whole fucking point of knowing lawyers ~prior~ to needing them rather than once you need them like the retail-buying schmuck is so as to be able to authoritatively answer 1946123;1571287261;mp_en_viaje; re the above, "no he won't". 1946124;1571287263;mp_en_viaje;i dunno if i make myself clear on this fucking obvious score, because it's never easy to guess when the obvious has been belaboured enough for they for whom it wasn't, somehow, obvious -- but please ask q's [http://trilema.com/2012/lets-cook-shrimp-and-pasta/?b=quantum&e=sufficit#select][qs]. 1946125;1571287267;mp_en_viaje;c) you're thinking too cleanly, which is adequate for republican work but inadequate to interfacing work (a point somewhat reminescent of [http://www.krankendenken.com/2019/10/mp-wp-bot-workplan-now-until-november-3rd/#comment-133][this php discussion]). it's the empire of shit for a reason, let it have it. 1946126;1571287271;mp_en_viaje;the fact that you don't "close the contract cleanly" is a cost to them and them alone, it affects you exactly not at all. let them pay for the service if they wish to have the service -- says the man who'd bill the US congress appearance fees to testify before it, like any other TV network. 1946127;1571287275;mp_en_viaje;in any case, the universal basic wisdom of people interacting with [http://trilema.com/2018/democracy-sucks-the-two-thousand-four-hundred-and-change-years-old-version/][the empire of stupid], from old us army hands to the days samuel pepys was tryna get a navy going / mind the business of his lord sandwich (not [http://trilema.com/2010/contele-de-mare-sandwich/][that one], another one) is -- put things in there to have what to cut off. why exactly 1946128;1571287280;mp_en_viaje; would you renounce your own claims by yourself, what are you, minced meat ? 1946129;1571287282;mp_en_viaje;now all'o this said, it's still your show, run it as you please, i'm not about to hold that against you. but i also can't pass all this in silence, take it if it's useful or leave it if not as all advice ever. 1946130;1571287285;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945985 << alternatively, go to police station, file simple theft compaint, as per http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-11#1944983 and let them figure it out ; it'll be something a lot like http://trilema.com/2019/how-the-good-folk-at-kj%C3%B8lberggata-29b-0653-oslo-norway-dba-variously-as-central-city-apartments-kampenhotellno-reise-byra-bala-suman-balasundaram-etcetera-attempt-to-scam-me- 1946131;1571287285;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-16 15:01:31 BingoBoingo: I'm thinking something like: I propose we mutually end this contract. Here's a draft termination agreement for your consideration: [very basic mutual termination letter notably omitting any waiver holding them harmless for their breaches while including a waiver of all claims they may have/invent against me] and ask them what language and terms they want to include in the agreement to avoid "[http://logs.ossasepia 1946132;1571287286;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-11 20:41:09 mp_en_viaje: and, i suppose, file a complaint for theft with your local police station, listing what you recall of what they made off with "and others", and whatever, $10k or w/e the aggregate cost fairly was. 1946133;1571287292;mp_en_viaje;we/?b=Part%20II&e=sures#select (certainly inasmuch there's no fee). 1946134;1571287294;mp_en_viaje;needless to say, the sum doesn't need to be exact, it needs to be ~defensible~, by the empire's specifically typical "nobody could accuse me" omnistandard. wink wink. 1946135;1571287297;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945992 << "force majeure" does not apply to events ordinary in the course of business. 1946136;1571287297;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-16 15:06:03 BingoBoingo: And whatever "Force Majure" they try to claim with respect to internet weather can't indemnify them against their agents saying stupid and dishonest things. 1946137;1571287300;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1946013 << php is perfectly fine. there should be a counter somewhere keeping a "max disk size" setting, an inventory of total bytesize, and that deletes oldest-first when the former exceeds the latter. 1946138;1571287300;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-16 20:49:54 lobbes: mp_en_viaje: re: mp-wp bot's [http://www.krankendenken.com/2019/10/mp-wp-bot-workplan-now-until-november-3rd/?b=bot%20will%20spit%20out&e=#select][spitting of the files], do you want some automated cleanup of said directory at every Nth file, or fine to just leave them be? Also, are you fine if they are static php files or is html (with teh embedded php) an absolute must? 1946139;1571287305;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1946023 << fwiw, none of this is anything like that. 100% insane czech 1990s internet over here, i can't comprehend wtf they are doing. then again, the road south is about 50% "men at work" holes by mass (looks like they're making it 3-lane), so i guess once they're done with that maybe they build their comms infrastructure too ? pretty ridoinculous situation tbh. 1946140;1571287305;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-16 21:06:45 asciilifeform: it can't all be reserved just for mp's dish modem, can it.. 1946141;1571287316;mp_en_viaje;~fin~ 1946142;1571287678;mp_en_viaje;in today's keks : hey lobbes, if i try to add "/me nods along benevolently." as a comment it says "stale page", but if i remove the leading slash it doesn't anymore 1946143;1571287686;mp_en_viaje;looks quite like a bug, is it in mp-wp ? 1946144;1571287720;mp_en_viaje;http://trilema.com/2019/dance-flick/#comment-131835 << i guess not. 1946145;1571287999;mp_en_viaje;in continuing lulz : http://bingology.net/2019/10/16/reasonable-lamp-setup-for-mp-wp-on-centos-6-and-anyserver-terms-of-use/#comment-1385 went through as such, but originally read you break it -- you buy it, which led to stale page. 1946146;1571288013;mp_en_viaje;i thinj you folk might've fucked your installs in some manner, for srs. 1946147;1571288080;mp_en_viaje;i mean no leading slash is one thing, but no dbl dash within at all ?! that's nuts, how do you even do http://trilema.com/2015/open-deed-system-for-bitcoin-assets-updated/#comment-111524 ? 1946148;1571288130;mp_en_viaje;neways, ima go try and catch some more zzzs, this is fucking ridoinculous already. 1946149;1571288845;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-17#1946083 << hmm, when I did my recent blog resurrection I used [http://thewhet.net/2018/06/mp-wp-genesis-regrind/][hanbot's mp-wp genesis] 1946150;1571288845;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-17 04:55:44 mp_en_viaje: i thinj you folk might've fucked your installs in some manner, for srs. 1946151;1571288848;lobbes;but I think I forgot to re-apply the [http://thewhet.net/2019/03/mp-wp-patch-for-enabling-html-comments/][later hanbot patch for html in comments]. Possib. BingoBoingo also forgot. 1946152;1571288855;lobbes;I will apply said patch tomorrow and see if that fixes things 1946153;1571288968;lobbes;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-17#1946074 << excellent. It shall be done 1946154;1571288969;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-17 01:44:58 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1946013 << php is perfectly fine. there should be a counter somewhere keeping a "max disk size" setting, an inventory of total bytesize, and that deletes oldest-first when the former exceeds the latter. 1946155;1571288983;lobbes;and with that, I'm also off to sleep 1946156;1571324829;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-17#1946045 << i entirely buy the argument. and will also buy ip -- when either asciilifeform figures out how to do it for 'toyota' rather than 'boeing' budget, or -- larger budget ; 1946157;1571324829;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-17 01:05:53 mp_en_viaje: it's a thing, and as long as it's a thing you own some ; dun even matter what you think about it, you can deem it as evil as you wish ; as long as it's a thing you get yourself some. 1946158;1571324862;asciilifeform;currently seems like the [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945895][method mp mentioned] is the only way to weasel out of the massive 'yearly maintenance' extortions, there. 1946159;1571324863;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-16 11:01:02 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, traditional method is people buy the shell of co with reg and naught else. 1946160;1571324981;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-17#1946065 << exactly. gotta make the attempt, BingoBoingo, mod6 . 1946161;1571324981;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-17 01:44:38 mp_en_viaje: would you renounce your own claims by yourself, what are you, minced meat ? 1946162;1571325038;asciilifeform;even considering [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-17#1946059][this] , imho oughta be tried. 1946163;1571325038;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-17 01:44:12 mp_en_viaje: b) it is unlikely any lawyer you don't previously know will treat this as anything but a meal ticket. much like usg doctors don't treat the underlying condition in the sense of getting rid of it, but treat it as a cash cow, in the sense of maximizing their own income from it, the whole fucking point of knowing lawyers ~prior~ to needing them rather than once you need them like the retail-buying schmuck is so as to 1946164;1571325107;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-17#1946072 << the derps will prolly try to argue that 'extraordinary ddos' at which pt BingoBoingo will pull out those garbage charts they sent in. 1946165;1571325108;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-17 01:44:55 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945992 << "force majeure" does not apply to events ordinary in the course of business. 1946166;1571325218;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-17#1946050 << there will be a set of 'din rails' for expandable-on-demand, properly ventilated rk plant. already purchased . 1946167;1571325219;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-17 01:43:57 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945955 << this incidentally is a great service! 1946168;1571325412;*;asciilifeform will photo-chronicle , in case e.g. diana_coman wants similar item in that british rack 1946169;1571325486;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-17#1946076 << ha, and i thought all of europistan had ultramodern net pipe 1946170;1571325487;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-17 01:45:03 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1946023 << fwiw, none of this is anything like that. 100% insane czech 1990s internet over here, i can't comprehend wtf they are doing. then again, the road south is about 50% "men at work" holes by mass (looks like they're making it 3-lane), so i guess once they're done with that maybe they build their comms infrastructure too ? pretty ridoinculous situation tbh. 1946171;1571325558;*;asciilifeform brb:tea 1946172;1571325634;diana_coman;asciilifeform: thank you, that might be useful indeed; it does seem to me that I might not really have many choices other than picking at least a dc within short distance and getting space there + searching them thoroughly for some human; but atm I'm under such a pile of work on all directions that it's not going to happen tomorrow or next week yet. 1946173;1571328329;asciilifeform;diana_coman: likely mine will be the 1st to stand up for service, then. but imho really oughta have multiple people willing to do these, otherwise 'fall into sin' and 'whole generalstaff in 1 trench' again . 1946174;1571328984;asciilifeform;diana_coman: have you ever had occasion to run a rack before ? 1946175;1571329013;diana_coman;asciilifeform: no. 1946176;1571329039;asciilifeform;diana_coman: it aint 'phd-grade' work, but will take a little learning. 1946177;1571329071;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i'll help , to the extent this is possible across ocean. 1946178;1571329106;asciilifeform;diana_coman: and perhaps if you end up with a full booth and lotsa irons, can even hire BingoBoingo . 1946179;1571331190;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje lobbes: The comment thing is going to take some digging. Will probably end up pressing mp-wp again. 1946180;1571332619;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: can you make [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945954][this] happen by saturday ? would like to get diana_coman's rk standing up immediately when router, hoses, etc. emplaced. 1946181;1571332619;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-16 14:15:42 asciilifeform: aite, let's ask BingoBoingo to dd if=/dev/thatstick | gzip > diana_coman.img.gz and then gpg to asciilifeform . i'ma modify it strictly as required to sit down on new ip and naught else. 1946182;1571332672;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It's gzipping at the moment. Prolly a few more hours until done baking. 1946183;1571332677;asciilifeform;ty BingoBoingo ! 1946184;1571332740;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: GPG'ing will probably be under an hour. Then uploading will take time. 1946185;1571332746;asciilifeform;right 1946186;1571334196;asciilifeform;mod6: lemme know if you want that box of yours housed here, i'ma gpg the postage addr. 1946187;1571334233;asciilifeform;mod6: [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945950][this] applies (and to errybody) 1946188;1571334234;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-16 14:13:44 asciilifeform: still not calculated what to charge for these, and must do so quickly. i'ma give folx month 'test drive' tho, given the untestedness of the whole orchestra . 1946189;1571334605;*;asciilifeform presently puzzling over where to get exchange rate for pricing; prolly will have to lift from BingoBoingo's auctions, for so long as they're happening with reasonable regularity . 1946190;1571334809;*;asciilifeform considered 'what if priced FG-style, as fixed constant in btc?' but this would prolly result in outrageous overprice that few would be willing to eat. 1946191;1571335064;asciilifeform;aim is, squarely, to 'price to sell'. 1946192;1571335375;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/10/youth-in-us-increasingly-decide-life-not-worth-living/ << Qntra -- Youth In US Increasingly Decide Life Not Worth Living 1946193;1571337452;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-17#1946114 - noted, thank you. 1946194;1571337453;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-17 13:21:12 asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'll help , to the extent this is possible across ocean. 1946195;1571337489;*;asciilifeform is buyin' servers ! found new dealer, selling 'dulaps' . 1946196;1571337575;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Good news! 1946197;1571337594;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-17#1946115 - hopefully he has already a job by the time I get to move anything; I still work full time for s.mg and I fully intend to get eulora off the ground. 1946198;1571337594;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-17 13:21:47 asciilifeform: diana_coman: and perhaps if you end up with a full booth and lotsa irons, can even hire BingoBoingo . 1946199;1571337638;diana_coman;asciilifeform: ha, congrats! honestly, by the sound of it, once you got moving, you found everything needed! 1946200;1571337643;*;BingoBoingo hoping and preparing to act along the same lines 1946201;1571337701;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i'm a miser. but, cage is there, gotta fill. i expect there will be inhabitants. 1946202;1571337741;diana_coman;asciilifeform: for that matter as far as I know , even hardware is actually cheaper in the USA than in Europe. 1946203;1571338087;asciilifeform;diana_coman: usually is. 1946204;1571338155;asciilifeform;2 dulap-style boxen set to arrive by end of next wk. 1946205;1571338185;diana_coman;asciilifeform: how much do you pay for a dulap-box anyway? 1946206;1571338221;asciilifeform;diana_coman: not incl. ssd disks, presently ~700 (u.s. $) from this new shop. 1946207;1571338271;diana_coman;not terrible really; I don't think I saw any similar < 1k, last time I looked 1946208;1571338273;asciilifeform;these are w/ 256G ecc ram, and (slightly faster than the prev. but still pre-fritz) 2.5GHz, 2 x 16core . 1946209;1571338276;diana_coman;in Europe I mean 1946210;1571338287;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i think you have some moar taxes there, in europistan 1946211;1571338292;diana_coman;myeah 1946212;1571338424;asciilifeform;diana_coman: these (lesse how they work..) boxen are nominally same type, and incl. double redundant ps and my favourite raid5. 1946213;1571338452;*;asciilifeform all boxen asciilifeform installs, subj. to 'torture test' before battlefield use 1946214;1571338544;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i'ma test w/ own disks, and purchase fresh ones when there are takers 1946215;1571338589;diana_coman;asciilifeform: mind publishing a torture test with pics and all that too? 1946216;1571338594;asciilifeform;of course. 1946217;1571338603;diana_coman;nice; I'll read. 1946218;1571338672;*;asciilifeform intends to properly document 'how to bake rack' . cut out the voodoo... 1946219;1571338797;asciilifeform;mp's 'make it an engineered, not shamanic, product' crit is valid. 1946220;1571338884;asciilifeform;diana_coman: filling a rack, asciilifeform-style, is entirely doable w/out megabux , it costs roughly like those old mercs mp buys. ( at least until one tried to buy ip... ) 1946221;1571338937;diana_coman;asciilifeform: the big expense here is the rack space esp since recurring; and yes, where was it: will end up paying for racks more than for living quarters, lolz. 1946222;1571338990;diana_coman;then again, I wouldn't quite want to *live* in a dc either and computers seem to multiply in my house as it is so probably not much choice there in the end anyway. 1946223;1571339645;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i'm beginning to suspect there are folx ~actually~ living in that 1 dc. ( or else wai is there exercise hall, showers... ) 1946224;1571339723;asciilifeform;diana_coman: the rack space is recurring cost, but feels considerably less 'bite' to asciilifeform when he tallied up what currently pays for sad hostings elsewhere 1946225;1571339933;asciilifeform;diana_coman: how many racks are you getting ? 1946226;1571340105;diana_coman;asciilifeform: lolz, not yet; I still need to schedule a meeting with at least a few dc-s within reachable distance; then I'll see; fwiw though atm I don't have any rack-irons anyway 1946227;1571340156;diana_coman;asciilifeform: trouble is that I'll still pay for sad hosting elsewhere because there's still the need for diverse locations. 1946228;1571340223;diana_coman;asciilifeform: anyway, it's one of those things that has to be done and that's it. 1946229;1571340326;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i intend to move some , but certainly not 100% , of own items, into this cage, aha 1946230;1571340712;*;asciilifeform recommends to diana_coman & other 'rack bakers' to invest in inexpensive [http://www.loper-os.org/pub/coffin.jpg]['coffin' transportable rack] -- makes desk testing / transport of stacks of boxen rather less painful . 1946231;1571341089;asciilifeform;diana_coman: inquire w/ BingoBoingo re transport of irons. my understanding is that still cheaper (if slower) than to bake new. 1946232;1571341147;diana_coman;asciilifeform: for one thing I did not own any irons with pizarro; for the other, I seriously doubt it's cheaper because of the import whatever. 1946233;1571341175;asciilifeform;diana_coman: this naturally depends on whether you're already doomed to import. but worth making the calculation. 1946234;1571341192;asciilifeform;diana_coman: see what you can source locally ; compare . 1946235;1571341225;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: acquired substantial virgin bubble wrap and clean virgin cardboard yesterday. Today found "protector poliestileno" for the corners. 1946236;1571341258;BingoBoingo;Materials are here to ship. 1946237;1571341261;asciilifeform;a++ BingoBoingo 1946238;1571341277;asciilifeform;diana_coman: usa has no 'import vat', 1 of the few pluses of sitting there, afaik. 1946239;1571341448;asciilifeform;diana_coman: per my notes, smg was gearing to purchase its inhabited irons (pending delivery of replacements) , this fell down when the rack fell down. i expect if it comes out as +ev , and estimate of time for transportation aint outrageous, mp may want to proceed with said purchase and grab the irons. worth to ask. 1946240;1571341514;asciilifeform;( remember that if you're baking new ones, this also will take time. so entirely q for smg people, and the numbers could come out in either direction ) 1946241;1571341640;asciilifeform;additionally , if smg would like to operate 1 or moar boxen here in asciilifeform's cage, i'ma happily service, either on transported iron, or on own stock, either worx . 1946242;1571341721;*;asciilifeform does not know whether smg has the provisions to operate ~simultaneous~ mirrors , but if does, may be good idea to sit in 2+ racks 1946243;1571341853;asciilifeform;incidentally, if anyone wants to live in asciilifeform's rack and to do so on custom iron, asciilifeform will assemble, for reasonable cost, such iron. 1946244;1571341897;asciilifeform;sorta is the point of colo -- to get ~exactly~ what you want, rather than crude approximation. 1946245;1571341963;asciilifeform;asciilifeform's rack is intended to at first house strictly l1 (+ l2 if approved by particular l1) folx. so i dun expect serious congestion of pipe, in near term. 1946246;1571342072;*;asciilifeform is setting up a thing where invid. inhabitants could even reserve % of pipe for exclusive use. can discuss cost if anyone seriously interested in such variant. 1946247;1571342077;asciilifeform;*indiv. 1946248;1571342188;*;asciilifeform intends to squeeze max use from the fact of rationally planning the build from 0, and personally config w/ own hands 1946249;1571342209;*;asciilifeform bbl:teatime. 1946250;1571348655;*;asciilifeform took delivery of 1st batch of crates for cage build : slide shelf, pdu, switch, cabling, squarenuts, ssds, several other necessaries. 1946251;1571349827;asciilifeform;meanwhile in rackables : 2 'apu1' w/ 1tb 'samsung' in ea. ( asciilifeform-gentoo or other filling at customer's option ) will be standing up. and available to sit on. 1946252;1571350074;asciilifeform;these, notably, run 'coreboot' and [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1887][have probe jacks] and thereby can have , optionally, kernel burned into bios . 1946253;1571350139;asciilifeform;fanless, 2-core 'amd g-series' box , vendor publishes 100% electric schematic . runs 100% blobless. 1946254;1571350155;asciilifeform;( iirc trinque uses a few internally in castle trinquestein ) 1946255;1571351288;*;asciilifeform uncrated just nao the ssd for diana_coman's rk, and the mount. it'll be the 1st box going in. 1946256;1571351401;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo lemme know if you'd like similar for your qntra. ( and anyone else? plox to write in. ) 1946257;1571351528;asciilifeform;qntra is a mp-powered system, btw, so he may want to weigh in 1st re where plugged in. 1946258;1571351548;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I don't know about moving blogs right away, but I am interested in a something to spread out the DNS record serving 1946259;1571351568;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: does this require any peculiar magicks ? 1946260;1571351597;asciilifeform;as far as i'm concerned , a box is a box, you can set it up how you like. 1946261;1571351653;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It requires very little of anything. It si something that could probably fit on pogo if pogo wasn't physically bulkier than RK 1946262;1571351677;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i actually have a pogo in stock, if you like just-for-you it can be plugged in. 1946263;1571351699;asciilifeform;there is to be (just nao uncrated it) a 36in shelf for 'nonrackable rackables'. 1946264;1571351793;asciilifeform;shelf is nominally 1u, but i'ma set it up under the slot holding the 6in-deep pdu , so effectively 2u of height avail. for what's on that shelf. 1946265;1571352012;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: for thread-completeness -- by my current reckoning, i can get away with charging <1/2 of what piz cost for colo ; so errybody who lived in piz, oughta be able , for same price, to keep ~2~ (or moar) boxen, e.g. 1 here and 1 in diana_coman's , or even 1 in ea. + barebone in heathendom. 1946266;1571352141;asciilifeform;maybe even a hero will stand up who opens a 3rd, even-cheaper rack. (i'll be surprised tho) 1946267;1571354895;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Is the pogo 128 or 256 mb of RAM? 1946268;1571358491;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 256 ( i dun recall there ever being a 128 ? ) 1946269;1571358516;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: can't fathom wai you'd want it instead of rk, tho, unless want gigantic sata disk 1946270;1571359012;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: No particular reason to do it really. 1946271;1571359239;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-17#1946089 << on initial testing, the re-application of said vpatch [http://www.krankendenken.com/2019/10/mp-wp-bot-workplan-now-until-november-3rd/#comment-139][seems to have done the trick] 1946272;1571359239;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-17 05:09:47 lobbes: I will apply said patch tomorrow and see if that fixes things 1946273;1571360983;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in heathendom lint traps, [https://archive.is/u1wgP][new lolz] from a very old [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1390][lolcow] . 1946274;1571362221;*;asciilifeform meanwhile making new attempt at the auto-installer for asciilifeform-gentoo, this time using trinque's method . 1946275;1571362297;*;asciilifeform needs fully mechanized process for these, or bringing up rack fulla'em will be 1st class bitch. 1946276;1571362735;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo plox to ping when diana_coman's contents are ready for dload ; the box to receive'em is prepared (on desk) . 1946277;1571363236;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: upload still has time left. 1946278;1571363240;asciilifeform;aite. 1946279;1571363242;BingoBoingo;Will ping when ready. 1946280;1571363252;asciilifeform;ty BingoBoingo . i'ma to meat soon, so may have to wait until wakeup. 1946281;1571363284;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: No problem. You have time. 1946282;1571363343;asciilifeform;hopefully it aint a multi-day download, lol 1946283;1571363420;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Just multi hour from Uruguay to get the tar.gz.gpg on the server 1946284;1571363427;asciilifeform;a. 1946285;1571363475;asciilifeform;wait why's it a tar.gz ? oughta be straight gz of the stick image 1946286;1571363512;asciilifeform;per the [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945954][recipe] . 1946287;1571363512;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-16 14:15:42 asciilifeform: aite, let's ask BingoBoingo to dd if=/dev/thatstick | gzip > diana_coman.img.gz and then gpg to asciilifeform . i'ma modify it strictly as required to sit down on new ip and naught else. 1946288;1571363579;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Sorry .gz.gpg 1946289;1571363583;asciilifeform;ok 1946290;1571363662;BingoBoingo;I've been paying more attention this week to checking the last extension triplet than the preceeding file name parts. 1946291;1571363769;*;BingoBoingo to meat a bit 1946292;1571363776;*;asciilifeform also to meat. 1946293;1571368321;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=8KTC 1946294;1571374195;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: lol you fughot sumthing important in there 1946295;1571374205;asciilifeform;plox to resend. 1946296;1571374374;*;asciilifeform back to bed for nao. 1946297;1571379243;mp_en_viaje;goood mornin' 1946298;1571379454;diana_coman;morning mp_en_viaje 1946299;1571379523;mp_en_viaje;such relief, to be back on hungarian internets. 1946300;1571379830;diana_coman;fwiw on irc-project, thimbronion contacted at least [http://thimbron.com/2019/10/irc-diplomacy-oftc-undernet-espernet-dalnet][oftc, undernet, dalnet] and [http://thimbron.com/2019/10/espernet-2nd-chance/][espernet] but because 1. he has to improve there 2. they are all into this wank of "us big networkz, no need serverz" , I'll have him get some proper data and write it up to have it in clear: set up some bouncers and log for a while all chans, 1946301;1571379917;diana_coman;I rather expect it will be quite lulzy too to see the actual output of thousands of userz but at any rate, if by some mysterious working there is something alive in there, it should be found too. 1946302;1571380430;mp_en_viaje;aite. i shall read ; atm buried under a pile but yes 1946303;1571380477;mp_en_viaje;wtf are they thinking it's anyone's guess (besides, of course, the fact that they've all been pizarro-ing the bed, the usercount has been dropping for 2 decades now, while the internet has been growing) 1946304;1571380494;mp_en_viaje;they're big networks in the sense bizantium was a big city cca 1000ad 1946305;1571380809;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: but they are happy as they are!!11 1946306;1571380824;mp_en_viaje;obviously. 1946307;1571380856;mp_en_viaje;this is the fucking problem with the "progressive" claptrap : it is the only cure democracy/retardation has yet come up with to deal with these other morons. 1946308;1571380928;mp_en_viaje;if you don't change for change's sake then you're happy with everything as it is, if hilary didn't give you your rights then pangloss gave you the best possible world, god fucking love 'em with a sharpened stick already. 1946309;1571384369;mp_en_viaje;http://jswin.github.io/javascript-window/jquery-thickbox-fullscreen-iframe.html http://jquerythickbox.com/thickbox-not-working-with-firefox.html check out these fucking idiots, 1990s era url keyword stuffing, works a-ok in 2019 google (just as long as what it's pushing is its shitty jquery infection vector) 1946310;1571384435;mp_en_viaje;http://jswin.github.io/ meanwhile 404s ; i'm sure this is totally how github works yes. 1946311;1571394700;mp_en_viaje;trinque, you about ? 1946312;1571399395;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-17#1946093 << aite. 1946313;1571399395;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-17 12:10:30 asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-17#1946045 << i entirely buy the argument. and will also buy ip -- when either asciilifeform figures out how to do it for 'toyota' rather than 'boeing' budget, or -- larger budget ; 1946314;1571399776;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-17#1946112 << nor do i really want her to. 1946315;1571399777;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-17 13:20:14 diana_coman: asciilifeform: no. 1946316;1571399849;mp_en_viaje;to be perfectly clear, nfi why this keeps gettting forgotten, and thereby needs to be reiterated : the problem of pizarro was NOT!!!! anything even vaguely or remotely similar to "general staff in same trench". in part because eg, i resisted moving trilema whenever you asked, in part because trinque similarily, and so on. we had EXCELLENT partition of services, and principally because you weren't involved with doing it. 1946317;1571399863;mp_en_viaje;the problem of pizarro was, 100%, your joint an' several failure to build it a customer base. 1946318;1571399941;mp_en_viaje;stop tryna fix imaginary problems as a transparent cover-up for not fixing existing problems. it's transparent and it'll stay transparent, disavowing it'll NEVER work 1946319;1571401708;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-17#1946126 << wait, how are those to continue ?! 1946320;1571401708;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-17 14:53:27 asciilifeform: presently puzzling over where to get exchange rate for pricing; prolly will have to lift from BingoBoingo's auctions, for so long as they're happening with reasonable regularity . 1946321;1571401790;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-17#1946136 << yup, and once he chases a different skirt in a week or two again, "problems" again and so on. 1946322;1571401790;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-17 15:44:00 diana_coman: asciilifeform: ha, congrats! honestly, by the sound of it, once you got moving, you found everything needed! 1946323;1571402016;nicoleci;mp_en_viaje, http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=mIkH 1946324;1571402016;lobbesbot;nicoleci: Sent 3 days, 10 hours, and 5 minutes ago: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=rrJN 1946325;1571402026;mp_en_viaje;oh, is this the slutfare ? 1946326;1571402038;nicoleci;mp_en_viaje, yess it is 1946327;1571402048;mp_en_viaje;a cool! let's put this in then 1946328;1571402144;mp_en_viaje;no it's not, dorkster. too short. 1946329;1571402673;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-17#1946178 << probably. 1946330;1571402674;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-17 16:50:42 asciilifeform: additionally , if smg would like to operate 1 or moar boxen here in asciilifeform's cage, i'ma happily service, either on transported iron, or on own stock, either worx . 1946331;1571402833;mp_en_viaje;in the end i suppose whether build new or buy pizarro's comes down to what it costs. what does pizarry want for the two boxes used to run smg servers before ? 1946332;1571402859;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-17#1946179 << definitely, i'd buy in all republican dcs. which so far has been one. 1946333;1571402860;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-17 16:52:03 asciilifeform: does not know whether smg has the provisions to operate ~simultaneous~ mirrors , but if does, may be good idea to sit in 2+ racks 1946334;1571403023;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-17#1946199 << the spirit of service-eagerness is fine, but you're going overboard with the options. no, he doesn't want a pogo, simmer down. 1946335;1571403024;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-17 19:38:00 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i actually have a pogo in stock, if you like just-for-you it can be plugged in. 1946336;1571403185;nicoleci;mp_en_viaje, sorry about that. here it is https://privatebin.net/?6e4559a5dd8cd7a2#9MsAxE4i6grdfKGKMPz39mbmnApRZNMnLUxSQqRQFBD (couldn't if it on deedbot, conn dies). 1946337;1571403217;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-17#1946210 << that ignoble schmuck's just never gonna quit following around what we do, monkeying it in his retarded style, is he. 1946338;1571403217;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-17 22:13:06 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in heathendom lint traps, [https://archive.is/u1wgP][new lolz] from a very old [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1390][lolcow] . 1946339;1571403253;*;mp_en_viaje foresees a whole fucking ocean of these before we're done, much like the few good rockbands of the 70s had an entire fucking ocean of morons with guitars trying their best to choke them out 1946340;1571403259;mp_en_viaje;nicoleci, aty 1946341;1571403312;mp_en_viaje;nicoleci, that shit dun work, "curl: (35) error:1407742E:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:tlsv1 alert protocol version" 1946342;1571403314;mp_en_viaje;try something else. 1946343;1571403554;mp_en_viaje;Ahnberg in #ahnberg heh. orc castles! 1946344;1571404805;nicoleci;mp_en_viaje, well i don't atm know what to do. basically there's 6.6mb i'm trying to send you. i tried split -n5 and deedbot's paste still spits (1.3mb chunks, so the limit is only 1mb ???) 1946345;1571404820;nicoleci;what am i going to do, copy/paste by hand byte by byte over here? 1946346;1571404843;mp_en_viaje;that blows 1946347;1571404917;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: should I set her up with a ftp account on logs.ossasepia.com? 1946348;1571404927;mp_en_viaje;i guess so yeah. ty 1946349;1571404935;diana_coman;kk, give me 10 min 1946350;1571404968;mp_en_viaje;hey trinque, you about for entitrely unrelated issues from a few hours ago ? 1946351;1571405158;mp_en_viaje;[10:24:32] Hey Ahnberg I'm coming from TMSR (http://logs.ossasepia.net). << wtf is wrong with this guy ? 1946352;1571405218;mp_en_viaje;i really can't read this nonsense ; it's fucking painful. 1946353;1571405326;mp_en_viaje;no more timbrion-style "diplomacy" plox ; not from him nor from anyone else, it's too much like three stoges religious service. 1946354;1571405641;mp_en_viaje;[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuXxIrarHEc][it's llike watching silviu gherman] pick up chicks. "hi i am from the dick people" 1946355;1571405814;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, i got it fixed meanwhile ; ty. 1946356;1571405931;diana_coman;ah, kk. 1946357;1571406229;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: and yes re painful + it was worse; no idea why is it so hard apparently to actually talk to people on the internets. 1946358;1571406238;*;asciilifeform waves to mp_en_viaje & diana_coman 1946359;1571406246;diana_coman;hi asciilifeform 1946360;1571406258;mp_en_viaje;nfi. 1946361;1571406569;mp_en_viaje;but he's certainly made it more difficult for anyone coming after him. which is the exact fucking opposite of helping. 1946362;1571406725;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: well, there was the naive assumption on my part that "how hard can it be"; fwiw though I rather doubt it really makes a difference simply because there is no real interaction from the other side either. 1946363;1571406772;mp_en_viaje;why is everyone SO FUCKING WEIRD 1946364;1571406772;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946268 << BingoBoingo is working on a detailed quote ( transportation cost is the unknown; and appears that meat-powered transport may actually be cheapest. ) 1946365;1571406773;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-18 09:50:40 mp_en_viaje: in the end i suppose whether build new or buy pizarro's comes down to what it costs. what does pizarry want for the two boxes used to run smg servers before ? 1946366;1571406791;mp_en_viaje;holy fuckingshitsticks. how hard is it, you talk to someone, ABOUT THEM. 1946367;1571406807;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, aha 1946368;1571406928;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946274 << seems that they have a new schmuck. ( old one -- [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-01-15#1887316][retired] ) 1946369;1571406928;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-18 09:57:03 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-17#1946210 << that ignoble schmuck's just never gonna quit following around what we do, monkeying it in his retarded style, is he. 1946370;1571406929;ossabot;Logged on 2019-01-15 13:04:09 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in a quite hilarious conclusion to the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-15#1887012 saga : http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1390&cpage=1#comment-19775 << yarvin throws in the towel. 1946371;1571406954;mp_en_viaje;pond also has a new frog 1946372;1571406987;asciilifeform;lolyes 1946373;1571407067;diana_coman;asciilifeform: I'm really in no hurry re pizarro but since there's the talk re how much for the s.mg servers and so on - is there some concrete plan on how will this and all the rest be determined to tidy it all up? 1946374;1571407165;feedbot;http://bimbo.club/2019/10/missed-connections/ << Bimbo Club -- Missed Connections 1946375;1571407317;asciilifeform;diana_coman: atm plan is to properly handle all evacuations ( data, afaik, evacuated, BingoBoingo uploaded gpg'd backups, yours is afaik done but BingoBoingo forgot to send me login to fetch it before went to sleep ) ; after this, publication of cost for evacuations of irons ; after this , auctions of jettisoned irons, liquidation ; then to pay mp_en_viaje , he is owed ; then BingoBoingo returns output re cost of action vs latech ; t 1946376;1571407318;asciilifeform;hen mod6 (maj holder) + asciilifeform (min holder) to decide re remaining piggy , how much, if any , to spend on suit (supposing latech not surrenders) ; then potentially evacuate BingoBoingo , unless he actually finds ecological niche in uy 1946377;1571407320;asciilifeform;in that order. 1946378;1571407516;asciilifeform;( which is why i suspect there will be at least 1 new (if smaller) [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946256][auction] . or >1, if, pessimistically, BingoBoingo runs for a spell on personal battery while searching for work ) 1946379;1571407516;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-18 09:31:54 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-17#1946126 << wait, how are those to continue ?! 1946380;1571407643;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: concretely re irons -- BingoBoingo is getting quotes from carriers. 1946381;1571407646;asciilifeform;err, diana_coman ^ 1946382;1571407784;asciilifeform;diana_coman: there's apparently customs nonsense threatening to get in the way. however ~absolute~ ceiling for removal cost is 500 per 1u (u.s. $) , asciilifeform can physically extract 100kg of iron for a ~2000 cost. ( this however would require 4 u worth of iron evacuation request, to be practical. ) BingoBoingo will say moar when wakes up. 1946383;1571407882;diana_coman;asciilifeform: by the sounds of it though it would anyway be cheaper for s.mg if putting them in your rack to just buy the servers in the us and ship to your door, no? 1946384;1571407883;asciilifeform;^ above 500 also is only, obv, correct for irons going strictly to usa ; to send elsewhere, would cost moar , potentially -ev. main appeal of 'meat transport' is that could also cleanly move the FG crate. 1946385;1571407952;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i've purchased new boxen, because 'time is money' and not yet even known what costs removal. but potentially +ev to remove, req's data from BingoBoingo re carriers, customs shamanics. 1946386;1571408136;mp_en_viaje;honestly, we prolly dun wanna wait, better to re-make the servers starting this weekend than to wait for w/e 1946387;1571408148;asciilifeform;diana_coman: quickest way to put a smg box in asciilifeform's rack is to put to use the new 'dulaps' (due in at end of next wk). however you may find it +ev to get the piz boxen sent to england, this depends on exact outputs of BingoBoingo . 1946388;1571408176;asciilifeform;( given http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946269 ) 1946389;1571408176;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-18 09:51:05 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-17#1946179 << definitely, i'd buy in all republican dcs. which so far has been one. 1946390;1571408255;asciilifeform;there is a stockpile of emergency spare FG here. will install on request of mp_en_viaje , there is enuff for 3 boxen w/ paired sets. 1946391;1571408293;diana_coman;asciilifeform: the part I can't see is how can they end up better shipped from Uruguay than just bought in the US and shipped to you; re the rest I got it and it can wait; onth s.mg servers better online asap since uhm, so far had to even tell new players that [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/eulora/2019-10-18#1000140][no server] 1946392;1571408294;ossabot;(eulora) 2019-10-18 mp_en_viaje: chickachew, atm the server's offline ; long story, our uruguay dc died an unseemly death and in the process of moving atm 1946393;1571408399;asciilifeform;diana_coman: right, i see it as unlikely (but afaik still possible) that the old boxen are worth picking up. which is wai i did not wait for output of 'what costs pick up' ; loading up on habitable irons already . 1946394;1571408430;asciilifeform;diana_coman: the 1 irons that absolutely must be retrieved, imho, is fg. 1946395;1571408472;diana_coman;asciilifeform: fgs certainly. 1946396;1571408553;asciilifeform;diana_coman: if you already set up mirror on leased heathen box, i expect you'll keep it, will bridge interval b/w nao and when proper fgistic, human-built irons are operational. 1946397;1571408660;asciilifeform;diana_coman: if diana_coman & mp_en_viaje would like to set up smgtron on 1 of the new boxen, plox to let asciilifeform know asap, so can purchase the desired type and qty of disks. there are 4, as before , disk rails in ea. 'dulap'. 1946398;1571408744;diana_coman;asciilifeform: no smg server on heathen mirror, no. 1946399;1571408746;asciilifeform;also available for purchase is the actual, entire box, which i'ma value at 1k usd (not incl. of disks) . then will live at colo rate. 1946400;1571408819;asciilifeform;(however if new owner, then responsible for transportation cost, should new owner wish to move it later out of usa. and also for cost of any disk swaps.) 1946401;1571409045;asciilifeform;diana_coman & co can make this decision at leisure, after e.g. properly evaluating performance of rack ( and asciilifeform as rack gardener ) for the prev.-announced phree month of service. 1946402;1571409078;asciilifeform;until satisfied -- no cost. 1946403;1571409205;asciilifeform;it is my current understanding, tho, that smg mandates cremation for all disks that it has used ; therefore disks must be owned by smg, and i'ma buy the exact type requested & invoice immediately. 1946404;1571409240;asciilifeform;( asciilifeform cremations are carried out with thermite. ) 1946405;1571409733;asciilifeform;diana_coman: to return to subj of boxen trapped in uy -- these can be transported for 500/ea ( asciilifeform goes with own hands ) and is +ev for so long as there are exactly 4 to be carried, and that they then to go in asciilifeform's rails. ( and at same time can retrieve all FG, incl. customer-owned, they can be mailed anywhere in world, but apparently uy has customs idjicy if mailed ~from~ uy.) this may be worth considering. all 1946406;1571409733;asciilifeform;such boxes would be housed at colo rate. 1946407;1571409762;asciilifeform;however -- slow. 1946408;1571409859;asciilifeform;if no one can stomach such delay, what will happen is that asciilifeform bids on the iron auctions, and may go anyway at own expense to retrieve irons if wins . 1946409;1571409992;asciilifeform;to continue in the spirit of [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-17#1946156]['fucking document the how-why'] -- to asciilifeform , thoroughly battle-tested 'dulaps' are actually worth 1.5x of 'fresh' . the type of defects that occur in these, follow 'bathtub curve.' 1946410;1571409993;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-17 16:03:19 asciilifeform: mp's 'make it an engineered, not shamanic, product' crit is valid. 1946411;1571410656;asciilifeform;wb mp_en_viaje 1946412;1571410687;mp_en_viaje;so as i was saying... 1946413;1571410727;mp_en_viaje; asciilifeform, you're burning steps here. 1946414;1571410727;mp_en_viaje; no, i'm not interested in sending you a harddrive so maybe you'll do something whatever in your garage. 1946415;1571410727;mp_en_viaje; this sorta-kinda-and-i-do-what-i-please thingee is of no value and no interest. if you're seruous about committibng the rest of your life to running an isp, we can talk about some business. 1946416;1571410727;mp_en_viaje; if you're just looking for a coupla week's amateur entertainment, i got a whole line of hookers looking for same pounding down my door. 1946417;1571410783;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i intend to run the cage indefinitely (will house own www also.) and properly. 1946418;1571410808;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/the-fuck-republic/ << Trilema -- The Fuck Republic 1946419;1571410811;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: plox to point to missing pieces, lately have been occupied with the actual bringup of the physical plant. 1946420;1571410841;asciilifeform;( already diana_coman requested rk. so must fill. ) 1946421;1571410940;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=5Wip 1946422;1571410942;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform arrived already at conclusion 'must run isp for rest of life', apparently is the only way to get proper isp is to physically build. 1946423;1571410944;asciilifeform;ty BingoBoingo 1946424;1571411075;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, same missing pieces as before, what's "properly 1946425;1571411076;mp_en_viaje;" ? 1946426;1571411126;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: 'properly' == 'delivers what's printed on the box' and +ev so can be carried on in fact indefinitely. 1946427;1571411204;mp_en_viaje;well, so therein lies the problem : your margin must >= your living expenses, else the "dedicate life" is a sorta joke. a coupla boxes from me won't ever support such a margin, so what's missing is what you intend to do about this. 1946428;1571411267;mp_en_viaje;what sorta margin do you need, what sorta margin do you intend to charge per box, how many boxes that comes to and how do you intend to scare up. 1946429;1571411269;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: actually 6 users at ~40usd ea. already put asciilifeform into profit. asciilifeform was paying >100 for sadhostings, and can finally stop. 1946430;1571411270;mp_en_viaje;scare them up* 1946431;1571411279;mp_en_viaje;don't fuck with me. 1946432;1571411329;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: what, exactly, do you want ? 1946433;1571411375;mp_en_viaje;let's reread together : http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946352 1946434;1571411375;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-18 12:02:14 mp_en_viaje: this sorta-kinda-and-i-do-what-i-please thingee is of no value and no interest. if you're seruous about committibng the rest of your life to running an isp, we can talk about some business. 1946435;1571411401;mp_en_viaje;it's not "im going to do this for rest of life." it's "this is what i'm gonna do with myself, for rest of life". 1946436;1571411432;feedbot;http://thetarpit.org/2019/mp-wp-v-patches-markdown-plugin-and-the-tar-pit-lbs-post-importer << The Tar Pit -- MP-WP V patches: Markdown plugin and The Tar Pit LBS post importer 1946437;1571411585;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: can haz concretely ? 'i won't subscribe until this idjit shows how can actually afford to run working isp' is faircop. but am i even parsing mp_en_viaje's objection correctly ? 1946438;1571411598;mp_en_viaje;you aren't. 1946439;1571411604;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It's going to need the mechanized contact churner Pizarro never got. Even doing this in the reich with cheaper cages and more fiber, the thing has to grow to survive. 1946440;1571411624;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i have no intention of housing heathens. specified right off the bat, l1+l2. 1946441;1571411636;mp_en_viaje;so you intend to grow the l2 ? 1946442;1571411641;asciilifeform;indeed 1946443;1571411657;mp_en_viaje;how, what expected velocity, why is expected, by when, etc. 1946444;1571411721;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: is this actual q, or simply constructed to give asciilifeform a banana to slip on ? 1946445;1571411740;BingoBoingo;If this thing grows and you fill cages upon cages, it survives. It it doesn't grow, when shit happens instead of being an ISP you end up with your upstream deciding you are a "problem customer" 1946446;1571411742;asciilifeform;if you as matter of principle dun want to use an asciilifeform isp, plox to say so right off, rather than 'play with food' 1946447;1571411745;mp_en_viaje;it's not merely an actual q, it's a universal, fixed-for-all-time and long long ago standard q. 1946448;1571411817;mp_en_viaje;the whole tree is given there, too : 1. to dedicate life to X, X must cover your living. this is true today as it was always true, monastery provided monk wioth food enough to live, so as to make "dedicate life" possible. because, elementarily, if no food life ends, even if the monk stubborn enough to not move to greener pastrues. 1946449;1571411842;mp_en_viaje;2. X being a commercial enterprise, will have a very clearly specified margin. "we charge 20%". 1946450;1571411861;mp_en_viaje;3. you being a fortunately specified thing, will have also clear needs. "i want 50k/year" 1946451;1571411871;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: propaganda/l2 growth is ~the~ project. and req's asciilifeform's 'weak arm' to properly exercise. which is 1 of the reasons i took up 'bake isp again'. but presently weak arm. intent is to use strong arm to build exercise machine for weak, among other. 1946452;1571411889;mp_en_viaje;2+3 produce 4 : to make 50k / year at 20%, one must generate 20k/month in sales 1946453;1571411931;mp_en_viaje;and from there on, "we aim to sell ~20 or ~200 or whatever item, therefore so many of them, and to get to that we do this" and on and on and on. 1946454;1571411948;mp_en_viaje;the narrative of business was definitively complete cca 1700, it's like any other folk tale, always goes the exact same way. 1946455;1571412013;mp_en_viaje;whereas the narrative of amateurship, also well standardized by now, is rather novel ; completed by about 1880s or so. "this is a thing i do ; but i am not this thing i do". 1946456;1571412038;mp_en_viaje;very boring story imo, but for its flatulent tedium popular. 1946457;1571412098;mp_en_viaje;i for one have entirely no problem with asciilifeform run isp ; but i have major problem with github-isp, like with github anything else. 1946458;1571412098;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: there's 2 separate qs.: a) whether it is possible to run a comfortably +ev miniature isp for use of l1/l2. b) is how to run large isp, hosting 1000 heathens, to make 100k's. presently it would be a lie if asciilifeform said that knows how to (b) , and suicidal if tried to (a) + (b) simultaneously right off . 1946459;1571412116;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, suicidal in what way ? 1946460;1571412132;asciilifeform;weak arm -- still weak. 1946461;1571412156;asciilifeform;would like, tho, to train it. 1946462;1571412191;mp_en_viaje;now look at the thing from the other side. what am i getting here ? 1946463;1571412229;asciilifeform;inexpensive site mirrors ; boxen w/ FG ; l1 maintainer . 1946464;1571412261;mp_en_viaje;but in a coupla years if the dc implodes and you decide you still can't move, i'll ??? 1946465;1571412293;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: in fact i'm continuing the dig for spare dc's. cuz this is the obvious, kindergarten problem. 1946466;1571412309;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: fill 1, go +ev, get 2nd, get 3rd.. 1946467;1571412328;mp_en_viaje;and if in three weeks this "is solved" in the sense of no longer getting a lot of loglines, and you happen to see a teledildonic telescope on sale, and you buy that, i 1946468;1571412330;mp_en_viaje;ll ? 1946469;1571412350;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: my current understanding is that yer done w/ '1 cage' regardless, asciilifeform's edifice is to house mirrors, spares ? 1946470;1571412365;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i dun anticipate buyin' anyffin but rackables until further notice, lol 1946471;1571412394;asciilifeform;will keep spares around, likewise, ate mp_en_viaje's flame re 'what kinda tard are you, no spare irons?' 1946472;1571412394;mp_en_viaje;can you appreciate the "wtf were these two doing, sat on isp while playing with xray machine" ? 1946473;1571412425;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: can appreciate 9000 things. which is wai show up to mp_en_viaje's whipping post. 1946474;1571412435;asciilifeform;it's where subj is taught, it was not taught at uni, no. 1946475;1571412464;mp_en_viaje;as i was saying earlier in the proceedings, nsa could very well support this effort ; but it has to be fucking serious not penny ante flavour-of-the-week amateur show. 1946476;1571412489;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: mp_en_viaje is my sole tutor for 'how to serious'. 1946477;1571412525;mp_en_viaje;well, so do you have some kind of bridge for the gaping void of btc-dubaloo conversions for instance ? i remember that was one of the original wtfs. 1946478;1571412555;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i determined that dc knows how to eat wires. when comes the time to expand the tower, will run BingoBoingo-style auction , to fill this. 1946479;1571412578;asciilifeform;presently i wish to 'buy' some coin personally however. 1946480;1571412588;mp_en_viaje;is this adult bank wire ? or the mickey mouse what are they, "send money back to nicaragua" things ? 1946481;1571412596;asciilifeform;proper wire. 1946482;1571412615;asciilifeform;they even eat 'paypal'ism. 1946483;1571412622;mp_en_viaje;that helps considerably. 1946484;1571412641;asciilifeform;1 of asciilifeform's longer aims is to teach the proprietor to eat coin. but presently i'd like to eat some meself. 1946485;1571412643;mp_en_viaje;might be a good idea to open yourself a tab with them, too. 1946486;1571412655;asciilifeform;opened already 1946487;1571412706;mp_en_viaje;i mean financed. eg when i logged into dns thing a few days back at BingoBoingo 's request discovered i have like 1k usd rotting in there. and that place takes bitcoin, too. 1946488;1571412712;mp_en_viaje;but you know, dun wanna find onself shorta cash. 1946489;1571412727;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: already made arrangements to park arbitrary sums in'ere. 1946490;1571412740;mp_en_viaje;good. 1946491;1571412740;asciilifeform;the proprietor is cooperative, for him it is pure win. 1946492;1571412750;mp_en_viaje;indeed. 1946493;1571412762;mp_en_viaje;aite, so then, what's your plan, get a rack and start racking ? 1946494;1571412782;asciilifeform;rack gotten. was promised tonight keys. 1946495;1571412797;mp_en_viaje;alright, so what specifically do you need ? 1946496;1571412797;asciilifeform;also acquired all of the basic essentials for filling. 1946497;1571412805;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: inhabitants ! 1946498;1571412816;asciilifeform;diana_coman already requested rk, it will be installed immediately when get key. 1946499;1571412886;mp_en_viaje;i see. ok, so what'd the charge be for the building of two clones of the smg machines + 1 clone of the pizarro shared server and for a year's hosting ? 1946500;1571412910;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: do you wish to purchase the irons or to lease ? 1946501;1571412915;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, you happy with that design btw ? would prefer something else ? 1946502;1571412934;mp_en_viaje;lobbes i'm thinking of cloning the pizarro shared for sitting down your thing on ; but comments welcome. 1946503;1571412944;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: let me go back through the whole log because honestly, I'm having a problem with asciilifeform's frenzy-spitting in the logs 1946504;1571412955;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, i think i'd rather lease, do you have a preference ? 1946505;1571412966;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, kk 1946506;1571413067;*;asciilifeform thinks 1946507;1571413094;mp_en_viaje;well, is your policy to stockpile irons for ye olde bitcoin insurance theory or is it to not ? 1946508;1571413108;asciilifeform;it is 1946509;1571413160;mp_en_viaje;a corp with significant dubaloo-denominated capital goods and bitcoin earnin gpower is like the golden boy of bitcoin finance. 1946510;1571413376;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946438 - 2 clones of the smg machines ie dev and prod server works; the website used to be on the shared server but tbh it's both the lightest and the least sensitive part, it can live ~anywhere. 1946511;1571413377;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-18 12:38:42 mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, you happy with that design btw ? would prefer something else ? 1946512;1571413413;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i propose price : equiv of 100 orc$ per mo per such leased machine, inclusive of full service . to be paid either monthly, quarterly, or yearly, as customer so wishes. 1946513;1571413443;asciilifeform;( piz colo , for comparison , was 141.7 u.s.$ / mo, for empty hole, machines were moar ) 1946514;1571413486;mp_en_viaje;this is not how you propose prices dude. it's by bill of parts, with margin at bottom. 1946515;1571413565;mp_en_viaje;a car will take 4 wheels 10 bucks each + 1 chasis 80 bux + 9 windows 2.20 + 1 engine 115 and our margin 20% comes to (4*10+1*80+9 *2.20+1*115)*1.2 = 305.76 1946516;1571413571;mp_en_viaje;you never saw the eulora logs at all ? 1946517;1571413581;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i'ma post the exact breakdown momentarily 1946518;1571413583;*;asciilifeform slow 1946519;1571413618;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/eulora/2018-07-21#982282 1946520;1571413618;ossabot;(eulora) 2018-07-21 mircea_popescu: !Qcalc 1*24+2*25+19*21+120*20+1*12+4936*20+23*12+4*12+25*18+1300*20+9*11+4*3+17*21+69*20+1017*20+1470*23+1962*21+350*22+3*22+72*20+77*23+3*21+75*15 1946521;1571413640;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/eulora/2018-07-22#982543 1946522;1571413641;ossabot;(eulora) 2018-07-22 Birdman: !Qcalc (54*.32*10*1000)+(378*.37*10*964)+(180*1.35*1000) 1946523;1571413646;mp_en_viaje;there's ten thousand of these. 1946524;1571413647;diana_coman;at which point I realise I miss eulora playing too. 1946525;1571413653;mp_en_viaje;it fucking sucks! 1946526;1571413690;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/eulora/2018-06-02#970126 << there 1946527;1571413690;ossabot;(eulora) 2018-06-02 diana_coman: !Qcalc 5411*(18*0.99+13*0.13+200*0.01+277*0.14+13*0.13+327*0.15+9*0.96) 1946528;1571413879;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: 100 is a rounded-off output of complicated arithmetic similar to ^ including cost of cage, % of max amperage eaten by $box at peak load, cost of ip, amortization of iron. i'ma post for criticism after tea. 1946529;1571413882;*;asciilifeform brb 1946530;1571414011;mp_en_viaje;hopefully on your blog! 1946531;1571414012;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946300 - meanwhile after reading a translation of some chinese dude's similar attempts to "communicate", I start suspecting that everyone's chinese!! but after this experience, I'll add to #o curriculum documented interactions with unknown people to be done until result is judged acceptable. 1946532;1571414013;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-18 10:56:18 mp_en_viaje: why is everyone SO FUCKING WEIRD 1946533;1571414051;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, i should prolly have that god damned youtube translated, it's just TOO fucking archetypical. 1946534;1571414351;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946447 << i honestly dunno wtf to do about that, 1946535;1571414351;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-18 12:46:23 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946438 - 2 clones of the smg machines ie dev and prod server works; the website used to be on the shared server but tbh it's both the lightest and the least sensitive part, it can live ~anywhere. 1946536;1571414378;mp_en_viaje;perhaps should lay into asciilifeform to offer a shared of their own and we move all the stuff off BingoBoingo 's continuity bridge in there within a month or two ? 1946537;1571414556;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: that makes sense as a direct replication of previous setup; I don't really see anything wrong with it either; alternatively I suppose I can always set it up even on a vps with maxim or whatevers, it's literally "don't care where", all of it is public and fixed and should just be accessible for people to download stuff. 1946538;1571414586;mp_en_viaje;i suppose. i have so many of these by now tho... 1946539;1571414725;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: I am all for hosting it with asciilifeform but tbh I would very much want him to publish an actual business plan on his blog. 1946540;1571414766;mp_en_viaje;myeah. 1946541;1571416346;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje, diana_coman : i'ma have to re-do the whole numeric orchestra, and write proper summary, w/ rationally-founded constants and at length. will need , potentially, entire day. ( still guarantee cost less than piz, however, for analogous machines. ) 1946542;1571416363;mp_en_viaje;so take the day. 1946543;1571416379;diana_coman;asciilifeform: take your time. 1946544;1571416416;asciilifeform;for today also, grr, are scheduled the physical maneuvers. but indeed i cant expect anyone to subscribe unless it is made known to what they're subscribing. 1946545;1571416616;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946473 << this is good idea. i'ma obtain the necessary physical pieces for ~that~ after properly serviced existing queue ( diana_coman's demo rk ; correct and rational price summary ) 1946546;1571416616;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-18 13:03:05 mp_en_viaje: perhaps should lay into asciilifeform to offer a shared of their own and we move all the stuff off BingoBoingo 's continuity bridge in there within a month or two ? 1946547;1571416673;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo : at earliest chance, plox to calculate necessary machine resources for piz-style shared box. 1946548;1571416719;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: and, and, what you want in exchange for your participation. given as this op is not a continuation of piz proper. 1946549;1571416781;*;asciilifeform off to do queued works, but will answer q's if needed. 1946550;1571418276;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I'll work on a shared server how-to with hardware resources necessary. I can tell you now such a machine is going to want all the RAM it can get. On 'anyserver' MySQL's RAM consumption has been stable and depended so far on how many blogs it has been fed. Apache however benefits tremendously from spinning up new workers and there isn't another httpd worth messing with for the purpose. 1946551;1571418350;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: ty, seems that we'll want a 'dulap-type' for this. i'ma 1st handle the outstanding reqs tho. 1946552;1571418540;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I'll bake a blog post architecting what an ideal shared host machine involves based on the lessons of UY1 and anyserver. 1946553;1571418746;mp_en_viaje;cool. 1946554;1571418757;BingoBoingo;http://bingology.net/2019/10/16/reasonable-lamp-setup-for-mp-wp-on-centos-6-and-anyserver-terms-of-use/ Leaves out the directory structure figuring someone may want to use the instructions for their own use rather than necessarily bringing up a shared machine. 1946555;1571418787;mp_en_viaje;incidentally, how about you offer l2s, new or otherwise, a year of free hosting ? i'ma throw in a free domain registration with it on my own account, and there you go, novice welcoming package. 1946556;1571418814;BingoBoingo;tyvm 1946557;1571418838;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: this is very smart imho. it shall be done. 1946558;1571418898;mp_en_viaje;cool. and i agree with him -- one thing you most want is ram 1946559;1571418915;mp_en_viaje;if you can cram 1tb in there you won't regret it, basically. 1946560;1571418920;BingoBoingo;Second is big SSDs in a RAID 10 1946561;1571418925;asciilifeform;logical. and anticipated, which is why buying min. of 256GB for ea. 'dulap. 1946562;1571418931;asciilifeform;(they can eat up to half tb) 1946563;1571418941;asciilifeform;ecc. 1946564;1571418975;mp_en_viaje;i dunno if ecc is that important in context, but... 1946565;1571418988;mp_en_viaje;what's a failed read do, dirty a cache page ? hurr, workers abound. 1946566;1571419015;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i only buy ecc, last thing i need in list of headaches is neutron . have enuff headaches. (ftr asciilifeform detects 2-3 ecc corrections each yr. per box.) 1946567;1571419054;mp_en_viaje;if your machine mostly serves web, it loses an estimated 20-25 ppm to web being made of shit. meanwhile 2-3 per year comes to sub 1 ppq. it just doesn 1946568;1571419056;mp_en_viaje;t show up. 1946569;1571419063;asciilifeform;( rk, however, lacks ecc. but also much smaller footprint for particle. ) 1946570;1571419100;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: moar concerned with 'box goes down' or 'writes garbage to disk' or 'permits login from rando' than 'garbage www output'. 1946571;1571419103;mp_en_viaje;running a business is all about doing math. "am i willin gto pay 1.5% more for a box to reduce losses by one in five million ?" 1946572;1571419127;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: this is valid but cost differential for 'dulap'-types is negligible . 1946573;1571419193;mp_en_viaje;it's all a numbers game ; and [http://trilema.com/2017/the-boundless-burden/?b=Numbers%20don&e=lie#select][numbers don't lie]. 1946574;1571419212;*;asciilifeform cannot dispute. 1946575;1571419219;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, i'm not hell bent on saving the % either ; just making the general point. 1946576;1571419236;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i also like the thermal margin offered by ecc. but the point is made. 1946577;1571419260;mp_en_viaje;for that matter, for all i know $1k worth of ecc now will be worth 50% more than that 1k worth of non-ecc in two years, whatever. 1946578;1571419295;mp_en_viaje;they don't lie ; but there's [http://trilema.com/2010/statistica-resurselor-umane/][so very many of them.].. 1946579;1571419718;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: it would appear that you're correct re 'hold value', at the very least : death of 'moor's law' is palpable. 1946580;1571419732;mp_en_viaje;myeah 1946581;1571419948;BingoBoingo;Hardware wise UY1 left little to nothing to nitpick. Dulap type machine lots of ram, lots of fast disk, plenty of cores, hard to have too much of any of these things when shitting pages from public facing port. The room for improvement is in the stack and its management. 1946582;1571420040;*;BingoBoingo brb. Interfacing with meats. 1946583;1571420090;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i will be speaking in person to proprietor to help fill in all of the constants for numerics ( in particular, the cost of additional amperage, when required ; and the stability of the (suspiciously low) price , in particular re desirability of locking it in through advanced payment . ) 1946584;1571420110;mp_en_viaje;aite. 1946585;1571420125;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: meanwhile 5min ago i was informed that the leased ips (initially, 6) are prepared. 1946586;1571420144;asciilifeform;and that my key to the grounds is being readied. 1946587;1571420204;mp_en_viaje;with bitcoin this low, advance payment's prolly the least of your worries 1946588;1571420240;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: my principal ill feeling is re the price, it is suspiciously small. 'there has to be catch'. 1946589;1571420268;mp_en_viaje;i dunno that there's an objective floor on dc costs. 1946590;1571420297;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: presently i suspect there is a glut of supply in this geography. 1946591;1571420311;mp_en_viaje;dcs are not that geograpgically bound. 1946592;1571420330;asciilifeform;apparently moar bound than rube-asciilifeform prev. thought. 1946593;1571420458;asciilifeform;'coloco' co. made the (so far , i've nuffin to dispute it with) claim that it's a regional nexus w/ 4 separate fiber hoses in 4 compass directions to 4 peers, 2 power grids, etc. 1946594;1571420542;asciilifeform;diana_coman: meanwhile, i've successfully decoded and unpacked your rk backup. it will go into brand-new rk today. 1946595;1571420561;asciilifeform;ty BingoBoingo for setting this up . 1946596;1571421294;diana_coman;asciilifeform: yeee, thank you; and thank you BingoBoingo ! 1946597;1571421303;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i took a naive stab at calculating the 'floor' for this locale. the util co charges presently 7.83 cents per kW/hr. the halftower is supplied with a 1.2kW baseline . 24*30*0.0783*1.2 ~= 70 $ of mains current ; warehouse sq. metrage goes for ~30 / m^2 here, this yields 100; and the remaining unaccounted for portion of price is then 295 , which presumably includes net pipe , upkeep of the grounds (maintenance, cooling, sla 1946598;1571421304;asciilifeform;ves) , and geschäft . 1946599;1571421492;asciilifeform;can make this moar exact floor : the kWatt costs ~same to remove as to emit. therefore cooling can estimate also as 70. 1946600;1571421501;asciilifeform;( not inclusive of maintenance. ) 1946601;1571421523;asciilifeform;but i'ma leave off , it is difficult to produce solid figure w/out moar data, for above . 1946602;1571425562;trinque;mp_en_viaje: around briefly, but away from fortress for a few days 1946603;1571425618;mp_en_viaje;trinque, is there some way to make deedbot wallet work within ~hour rather than ~days ? is there some way to make paste more like 20mb limit than the current wha tis it 2 ? 1 ? 1946604;1571425650;trinque;deedbot wallet is cold storage, and exiting the cold storage requires my involvement 1946605;1571425662;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, presumably if you actually eat 1.2kw you may hear some more about it. 1946606;1571425682;mp_en_viaje;trinque, iirc there was a scheme discussed year or two ago re small sums and a definition thereof ? 1946607;1571425959;mp_en_viaje;in practical terms -- i can use deedbot just fine for in-l payments ; but it is currently not usable for out-of-l payments because of the delay. 99% of those payments are tiny, why leave it on the table. 1946608;1571426029;trinque;yeah, it's doable. it's also a http://btcbase.org/log/2019-10-10#1944404 1946609;1571426029;a111;Logged on 2019-10-10 01:37 trinque: no startup is an every couple days affair. it's an every waking moment affair, and it redefines waking without your asking too. 1946610;1571426092;trinque;I've just watched these other guys shred their savings making a notbusiness and then apparently going to do the same thing in another spot, because the last one was cursed with the "locals are subhuman" or w/e, and having not to do with themselves 1946611;1571426117;trinque;what other payment throughput is there to make the thing revenue, and if not, I can't spend my time like that. 1946612;1571426270;trinque;I took a few passes at them to help with the business too, and this twat (yes you, alf) dares try to w/e, get me to take up the broken business or imitate it in same vein only after he's shat his pants. 1946613;1571426403;mp_en_viaje;trinque, tbh i don't get what you're saying. 1946614;1571426469;mp_en_viaje;is the idea that you're not interested in developing bitcoin things because you don't perceive there's a way to benefit from it ? 1946615;1571426691;trinque;I think it's hard to see the market, but in the last thread about the hardware RSA device it was clear I wasn't talking about market the same way as you, and that's where the clarity ended. 1946616;1571426718;mp_en_viaje;which thread was that even ? 1946617;1571426766;trinque;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934363 1946618;1571426766;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 22:36:09 trinque: that thing has a market. everyone knows tls is a lie. 1946619;1571426789;trinque;and then to http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934677 1946620;1571426790;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 08:46:23 mircea_popescu: market schmarket, markets are created not identified. 1946621;1571426850;diana_coman;trinque: are you saying that "I watched pizarro failing because they didn't bring people in the wot; so not worth dev the wallet because not enough people in wot" ? 1946622;1571426888;trinque;somebody has to have what to process for processing fees to feed the bot 1946623;1571426899;trinque;not even saying somebody else here. 1946624;1571426914;trinque;and I'm fed just fine, but businesses also need fed. 1946625;1571426932;mp_en_viaje;meanwhile in unrelated lulz, https://cryptonewsmonitor.com/2019/10/16/transylvania-crypto-conference-2019-the-transition-to-bitcoin-only/ << rotards trudge forward, on ~[http://trilema.com/2019/what-amused-me-last-night-selected-romanian-ruralia/][same legends] 1946626;1571426935;diana_coman;trinque: but if you make a business out of it then part and parcel is precisely bringing people in to use it ie create the market, no? 1946627;1571426954;trinque;its like selling condoms if no one's fucking. 1946628;1571426969;mp_en_viaje;trinque, tbh, i started this discussion from the grass roots, "of my so many past txn, X% went through my friend trinque and Y% through rando retards ; why should Y >> X ?!?!?!" 1946629;1571426994;trinque;thing is, I'll even build it for you, but I need to get this aired too. 1946630;1571426994;mp_en_viaje;now, this may morph into a very different, from the top down discussion, okay, if you will. but then let's carry it properly, neh ? rather than mix everything in there. 1946631;1571426999;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: you know, I paid maxim not-from-wallet for same reason... 1946632;1571427017;*;diana_coman will step back from it. 1946633;1571427024;mp_en_viaje;or if not, let's dispose of the raisins first. what is your beef with the pizarro folk, they lost their own money, being derpy. you donated them some boxes, iirc 1946634;1571427051;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, no, i know. and ima eg buy bimbo some instagram followers, cuz w/e, teenybopper interests, wants to instagram. and so on. 1946635;1571427072;trinque;diana_coman: why step back 1946636;1571427108;trinque;mp_en_viaje: one is going to have to figure out to get fed post-apocalypse, or ever larp in the grand shadow of mp 1946637;1571427145;trinque;the latter is all these fucks have been doing, "if I tell these UYians my cock is 7ft, they'll line up at feet just like mp's girls" 1946638;1571427177;mp_en_viaje;do you perceive the whole adventure is actually a grand scam, in the sense that what i claim is whatever, business republic bitcoin etc, but what i'm ~really~ looking for is people to prop up my ego somehow, like an elaborate social dance ? cuz i know full well success is impossible or something ? 1946639;1571427180;trinque;I even told alf I had the cash to do an experimental run of the RSA chip, and he ignored, because why have friends 1946640;1571427192;trinque;nah, I think you are not at fault here 1946641;1571427227;trinque;and if the chip is mp's that's fine too, but my trust of these other chaps is at nil. 1946642;1571427241;mp_en_viaje;the whole "i tell these fucks about my cock" became painfully evident reviewing the whole [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946291][earlier nuttery]. 1946643;1571427241;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-18 10:37:28 mp_en_viaje: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuXxIrarHEc][it's llike watching silviu gherman] pick up chicks. "hi i am from the dick people" 1946644;1571427296;mp_en_viaje;well so what are you saying then, "i dun wanna be myself/my work associated with the rest of l1" ? 1946645;1571427365;mp_en_viaje;if you're interested in my (allegedly clueless, as it periodically is) understanding of the matter, alf wasn't interested in baking you a rsa chip because the item is not currently feasible. it specifically requires an object not yet known to exist, the extremely long mult'er. 1946646;1571427451;mp_en_viaje;i would certainly not mind it being baked, and i dunno, i'd have thought the pizarro history shewed clear enough i also don't mind people doing things on their own at all. you can make it if you want, that's not an issue. but you won't be able to make it as things stand, not anymore than you'll make a useful electric car. a central needed thing's not there. 1946647;1571427720;trinque;the particular item might not be possible yet, maybe there are experiments leading up, maybe not yet. 1946648;1571427826;trinque;but if others are going to keep bankrupting themselves for honor (or because they'd rather will the dicksucking rather than work like I'm certain mp did to have the money), we're just going to be boo-hooing that mp wont give us some of his coin. 1946649;1571427829;trinque;I do not wish to be that. 1946650;1571427889;trinque;so if there's something that will get more people using the wallet, and thus make the wallet viable (i.e. I can pay someone to improve it, and do so without it being charity out of my own pocket), I will have to think of that thing. 1946651;1571427921;mp_en_viaje;i dunno how up to date on subatomic physics you are ; but the problem is just as fundamental as the energy-density problem (for which the link to the great log discussion escapes me now) of car batteries : at 4000 units wide, the noise well exceeds the signal. 1946652;1571427999;mp_en_viaje;trinque, factually, everyone bankrupts himself for honor. consider this thoroughly if you will. someone just posted what turns out to be zuckerberg's ugly gf on trilema ; they "pledge to donate 99% of facebook" bla bla. why ? 1946653;1571428029;mp_en_viaje;some guy arms a ship to whatever, discover uraniumgold. why ? "to discover" my foot, it's for honor equally so, he figures the goal's respectable. 1946654;1571428052;mp_en_viaje;all you do, in the end, is honor-driven not otherwise ; may be justified otherwise, but at the root and at the core, the quantum of deed runs on a dropplet of honor. 1946655;1571428121;mp_en_viaje;the "i'm not quite sunken low enough to eat here" coming before my leaving some shitty joint and the "i think nsa might finance a serious attempt" before, what, they're based on money ? not directly. the first node's honor. 1946656;1571428146;trinque;sure, if money were root, I'd just get really good at sucking dick, but if honor were everything I'd not also eat. 1946657;1571428149;mp_en_viaje;an' i defy you to give me an example of any business decision, you or anyone ever made, which didn't root in honor. 1946658;1571428167;mp_en_viaje;trinque, considering you are not, currently, eating... 1946659;1571428181;mp_en_viaje;by and large, on a reasonable timespan, man on average does not eat. 1946660;1571428227;mp_en_viaje;(and yes, if honor's not root people do end up with direct equiv of sucking cock real good, which usually comes as crystal meth, or some other instant reward pathway chaser) 1946661;1571428263;mp_en_viaje;(hence my point, the whole underlying mechanism of savings and investing's naught besides delayed gratification as a behaviour, which is how biologists call honor) 1946662;1571428313;trinque;I don't disagree on any of these points. 1946663;1571428330;mp_en_viaje;right. all that said, one still has to do it sensibly. 1946664;1571428337;mp_en_viaje;question is, why aren't you ? 1946665;1571428593;trinque;what do you see as the sensible method here? 1946666;1571428599;mp_en_viaje;how the fuck do i know! 1946667;1571428623;trinque;then we agree there too, lol 1946668;1571428635;trinque;I've been cooking a few videogame ideas though 1946669;1571428640;mp_en_viaje;you're the lord, i've no doubt you're smart an' possessed, you come up with it! i'm more than willing to sound it for you, but what, i'm togive you detailed marchong orders ? 1946670;1571428658;trinque;certainly not looking for that 1946671;1571428661;mp_en_viaje;i wouldn't do that for BingoBoingo either, arguably who needed it more and asked more pointedly. 1946672;1571428694;mp_en_viaje;why videogames specifically ? 1946673;1571428713;*;asciilifeform (will leave trinque alone for nao) but must report that the cage has been made ready, and installation of gear is to commence tonight . 1946674;1571428785;trinque;because of the need for outreach, and because the time is ripe for satire. 1946675;1571428818;mp_en_viaje;to circle back to the method : it's evident that reducing friction's universally a major goal. so it seems to me. thus things like the orig line that started the discussion. it further seems to me that talking to people's the other major goal. 1946676;1571428832;mp_en_viaje;leaves two things to do, out of the three. high quality products, that we do quite well, i am well satisfied of this. 1946677;1571428858;mp_en_viaje;trinque, i wouldn't even mind smg publishing for you, in some sane arrangement. 1946678;1571428886;trinque;it'll take some time for that to be worthwhile to ya, but I appreciate it. 1946679;1571428938;mp_en_viaje;to be quite frank, i wish for my sins i could be persuaded by the gloom and doom, "everyone's here idiots, will never do or amount to anything" and so on. i truly do, because my life'd be a whole lot simpler. but... it's not there, here's a group of people which over years not decades got a LOT of shit together. as far as making quality products this hole's unparalleled. 1946680;1571428973;mp_en_viaje;and i do not say this idly ; i have made my own experiments as well as seen others', very EXPENSIVE, experiments in the same vein all over the world. people regularly sink billion+ in "tech incubator" producing nothing comparable. 1946681;1571429003;trinque;I did not say everyone. 1946682;1571429022;mp_en_viaje;now, how to keep tmsr from being another xerox parc / symbolics / etc is, and has been a major thing on my forebrain. 1946683;1571429028;trinque;that. 1946684;1571429040;mp_en_viaje;because yes, it seems producers are blessed with fucking stupid by aunt nature. 1946685;1571429041;trinque;and I'm not the polymath nor the monk 1946686;1571429065;trinque;whether this leaves anything is for whomever to say 1946687;1571429073;mp_en_viaje;trinque, you're actually the one that gets in ~least trouble for being fucking weird. almost on girl level. 1946688;1571429132;trinque;lol 1946689;1571429169;mp_en_viaje;the reason i asked "why videogames" was because, oddly, that's the one field i feel like i've a good grip on/. 1946690;1571429195;mp_en_viaje;of course, it's taking its god damned sweet time, and ppl keep waylaying diana_coman with weird, but... 1946691;1571429197;trinque;yeah, isn't for lack, just ideas started flowing, and I've got an artist streak 1946692;1571429235;trinque;wouldn't be the first time I said fuck it, grabbed guitar and joint, and said "that's enough money for now, bbl" 1946693;1571429240;mp_en_viaje;cool, now two or three dozen more of that'd be pretty useful. 1946694;1571429437;mp_en_viaje;the "artist" idiocy is prolly the most annyoing part of it all, all these people just want to make ONE commission and run off, zero interest in anything besides masturbation, "art" is just pretense. fundamentally they're still http://trilema.com/2018/and-in-todays-lulz-the-obnoxious-cocksucker/ ust in a different line of wank. 1946695;1571429454;trinque;yeah, I was just thinking of that nazi girl's nice tits. 1946696;1571429457;mp_en_viaje;over the years i think i had at least 12 of these nibble and runoff idiots. 1946697;1571429463;mp_en_viaje;which one ? 1946698;1571429467;trinque;she oughta be the current john k 1946699;1571429480;trinque;the one with the wannabe ren-and-stimpy plus swastikas schtick 1946700;1571429489;trinque;came through a while back 1946701;1571429502;mp_en_viaje;o yeah, remember ? i wasn't even counting the 100 or w/e topless girls. 1946702;1571429535;mp_en_viaje;some dude draw me as hitler ; some other dude (quite good, too) drew eulora's splashscreen (and some kid another) and jesuis, what 12, there's a bunch more. 1946703;1571429556;mp_en_viaje;but it's quite manifest, their principal fear/problem/goal is to AVOID investment. 1946704;1571429575;mp_en_viaje;then maybe their "real" life hasn't really started yet. 1946705;1571429590;trinque;definitely there's this, the atomization 1946706;1571429635;mp_en_viaje;so you know, maybe you're the merchant who went to town to talk to the lord, to ask his question, "your grace, how the fuck do i keep my shop open when it's raining sulphuric acid" 1946707;1571429652;mp_en_viaje;and the lord answered "i don't know, my good man. for, you see... it is raining. SULPHURIC ACID." 1946708;1571429717;trinque;yeah I get it 1946709;1571429850;mp_en_viaje;i have been keeping a (quite public, at that) log of a wide reaching "where is it not raining" research project. expensive enough, too, i've been burning 4 figures/day, every day, since ~april. not that the point is how to make it cheapest or anything 1946710;1571429879;mp_en_viaje;the kids have issues, it's a fact. 1946711;1571429938;trinque;yeah, I've been reading along. 1946712;1571430010;trinque;re: atomization, girl got in big trouble recently for dealing with people at concerts incorrectly 1946713;1571430032;trinque;she's tiny, had hindbrain fear turning her into a bitch at strangers 1946714;1571430055;trinque;told her she was being an idiot, and you make them your friends, and then tell them to make space for the dance party 1946715;1571430068;trinque;I couldn't fucking believe this had to be explained, not just to her, but to everyone there 1946716;1571430105;trinque;"what they're scared animals too; tell them what they're doing there, it's not like anyone knows" 1946717;1571431280;mp_en_viaje;ikr. 1946718;1571432227;BingoBoingo;So in today news found a responsive lawyer interested in the case. As our conversation started http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=1YXH hit my inbox 1946719;1571432306;BingoBoingo;As though "strange cause" can indemnify his own dishonest communication 1946720;1571432307;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946571 - mainly because it was mp_en_viaje & you conversation; and you keep yourself quite private otherwise so I don't really know how much/where from you want any feedback. 1946721;1571432307;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-18 16:34:40 trinque: diana_coman: why step back 1946722;1571432368;mp_en_viaje;did you file that report yet ? 1946723;1571432410;mp_en_viaje;because that'd be the correct answer at this juncture, "here's my copy of police report" 1946724;1571432567;BingoBoingo;I have not yet. This arrived minutes ago. 1946725;1571432794;mp_en_viaje;so i guess you still have a little time. 1946726;1571434764;BingoBoingo;Well, most recently recommnded lawyer so far is responsive, fellow who recommended him has actually used him as a lawyer rather than merely an acquintance. 1946727;1571438294;BingoBoingo;Anyways, only 4 mentions of "causa extraña" in the entire civile code. Two involve liability in construction. One involves the operation of depositories. Then there's: El deudor es condenado al resarcimiento de daños y perjuicios, sea en razón de la falta de cumplimiento de la obligación o de la demora en la ejecución, aunque no haya mala fe de su parte, siempre que no justifique que la falta de cumplimiento proviene de c 1946728;1571438294;BingoBoingo;ausa extraña que no le es imputable. (*) 1946729;1571438346;BingoBoingo;Except they've shown bad faith several times this month. 1946730;1571438775;BingoBoingo;"mala fe" appears 34 times in the Codigo Civil. I yet to eat them all. 1946731;1571440184;BingoBoingo;And another lawyer has jsut set a date for Monday. 1946732;1571442461;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform mod6: Update. As of the most recent communication from the datacenter, it seems they want to be sued. You have this weekend to think this matter over. There is the chance they may be pushed into settling. Based on their response and the fact they pushed it through Maxi, I suspect they ended their week of sweating by deciding to bluff. First sit down with counsel scheduled for 8pm UTC Monday. Another sitdown may be 1946733;1571442461;BingoBoingo;scheduled still earlier with another barrister. 1946734;1571442725;mod6;Thanks for the update BingoBoingo. I'm a couple of days behind on logz here; I've been horribly ill for the last 3 days. I'll start catching up, bbl. 1946735;1571442961;BingoBoingo;Anyways http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-17#1946062 was all too prophetic when it came to dealing with the survivors. They will be fed shit! 1946736;1571442961;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-17 01:44:25 mp_en_viaje: c) you're thinking too cleanly, which is adequate for republican work but inadequate to interfacing work (a point somewhat reminescent of [http://www.krankendenken.com/2019/10/mp-wp-bot-workplan-now-until-november-3rd/#comment-133][this php discussion]). it's the empire of shit for a reason, let it have it. 1946737;1571447643;BingoBoingo;Number of auditions has grown to 3. 1946738;1571450801;BingoBoingo;!!up ascii_rack 1946739;1571450801;deedbot;ascii_rack voiced for 30 minutes. 1946740;1571450835;ascii_rack;ty BingoBoingo 1946741;1571450864;BingoBoingo;ascii_rack: Good to see you have keys. 1946742;1571450904;ascii_rack;reporting from cage. 3h of grrr later, switch, 2ndswitch, shelf, hoses, installed ; and nao: 1946743;1571450912;ascii_rack;welcome diana_coman , 1st test pilot. 1946744;1571450957;ascii_rack;diana_coman: your box is sitting on the ip given in #o earlier. pings, but no www, iirc you had manually-controlled www revvup on that rk. 1946745;1571451073;*;ascii_rack will lock up the chest and bbl, deadly tired. 1946746;1571451081;BingoBoingo;ascii_rack: Safe travels 1946747;1571451086;ascii_rack;ty BingoBoingo . 1946748;1571456059;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946439 << I see no issues with this as long as the bot will have permissions to write files to the 'mp-wp root directory'. I'm not very familiar with the old UY1 mp-wp setup and permissions setup so I couldn't say for sure (I used the rockchip for my bloggin' with piz) 1946749;1571456059;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-18 15:37:49 mp_en_viaje: lobbes i'm thinking of cloning the pizarro shared for sitting down your thing on ; but comments welcome. 1946750;1571456064;lobbes;And in terms of delivery, the omelette is still on track to reach your table by November 1946751;1571456116;lobbes;In other news, I'll be spending next week visiting old friends and family up north in Mass so I'll be less frequent in the forum (though reading logs). I'll make sure to take some pics to feed blog. 1946752;1571456123;*;lobbes still has yet to obtain the recommended dsc-rx100, so shots will be taken on [http://www.krankendenken.com/2019/09/to-ohio-and-back-again-a-photo-journey-with-cat-pics/][battery chugging turd camera] 1946753;1571456692;BingoBoingo;lobbes: Who can write where is all users and permissions. Giving the bot such powers is possibile. 1946754;1571456796;lobbes;BingoBoingo: ah perfect, ty. In that case it looks like we are solid 1946755;1571456990;BingoBoingo;lobbes: I still gotta write a post for asciilifeform on what a shared hosting stack should look like. It may also be the case that the bot would be better with its own 'dulap' type server. I have not had time to sit down and catch up completely with the conversation surrounding this bot. 1946756;1571457308;lobbes;in a nutshell, the primary domains of the bot are a) interfacing with IRC b) connecting to a running mp-wp mysql database c) writing (and deleting) files in a sub-directory of the mp-wp install directory 1946757;1571457410;lobbes;oh, and also d) the sending of trackbacks, which right now looks like it'll involve using some curl-isms 1946758;1571457736;BingoBoingo;I'm going to get some sleep, I suspect others here are better qualified to eyeball this. 1946759;1571457756;lobbes;nn BingoBoingo 1946760;1571457760;*;lobbes also to sleep 1946761;1571457945;trinque;BingoBoingo: make sure you actually file the report, per mp. name of the game is increasing the perceived cost of dealing with you vs settling sensibly 1946762;1571457968;trinque;and let me remind you of something else mp said, that I've lived. 1946763;1571458015;trinque;litigation is often vastly more expensive than w/e return you think you might achieve. 1946764;1571458043;trinque;I've tossed 150k+ down this hole, hurt the other guy, great. I can't spend his hurt. 1946765;1571458082;trinque;so, exert maximum pressure *now*, and then bend them to a settlement and be done. 1946766;1571458137;trinque;in my case a chap stole from me, gave to an enemy. I was enraged. 1946767;1571458151;trinque;all I did was piss my money away, and the idiot's still an idiot doing idiot things. 1946768;1571458229;trinque;and you know, these are the things friends discuss rather than stotting before eachother playing at greatness. I should hope we are that, and I am disappointed when we aren't. 1946769;1571458350;trinque;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946557 << no, worthwhile instead to start a party first, as you are in your own hall, and then build items for the party. 1946770;1571458350;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-18 16:30:57 diana_coman: trinque: are you saying that "I watched pizarro failing because they didn't bring people in the wot; so not worth dev the wallet because not enough people in wot" ? 1946771;1571458600;trinque;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946656 << eh, we're too polite of each other's egos. say, and I'll be glad someone said honestly. 1946772;1571458600;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-18 18:01:55 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946571 - mainly because it was mp_en_viaje & you conversation; and you keep yourself quite private otherwise so I don't really know how much/where from you want any feedback. 1946773;1571458997;trinque;oh and by the way, "making them sweat it" is not maximum pressure. it's avoidance behavior, the same as "tomorrow I'll be sober/file police report/make a 'conversion engine'" whatever the fuck. 1946774;1571459048;trinque;let it be plain that I hate most of you. and you should hate me back. I don't want to hear another dipshit that can't find his way into a 50k/yr business call himself lord. 1946775;1571459203;trinque;so now, you attack my flaws. I attack yours. and out of that, republic. or nothing, in which case who cares. 1946776;1571460346;trinque;!!v 8E85DF82D4C0583A3001522D05A214B6403605B4EC556663F714AFA322BB47B5 1946777;1571460346;deedbot;trinque unrated asciilifeform. 1946778;1571460348;trinque;!!v 52B71898375D2BF73D594BD6A86B869FEEB0934D01D6B7AC54F0F215437CE9F9 1946779;1571460349;deedbot;trinque updated rating of BingoBoingo from 3 to 1 << Loyal to the end. 1946780;1571460350;trinque;!!v 6AA1430294A52BAA12EF4B7B4FBE6E50E8AB780368F5571A8EE901F48A545C6D 1946781;1571460351;deedbot;trinque unrated veen. 1946782;1571460352;trinque;!!v 0B08266B80A97404E9E4FBFDD1C8AE98B24EE6D5CDF903659537A7E52DEC70C7 1946783;1571460353;deedbot;trinque unrated lobbes. 1946784;1571460354;trinque;!!v DAC25C1424D6FC2477869E1BE516FFE782ED6DEF2FF395A9992539D77D42AEDF 1946785;1571460355;deedbot;trinque updated rating of mod6 from 2 to -1 << Makes sounds thought noble about nothing. 1946786;1571460356;trinque;!!v 5D7221B9601479E2FCCCD5802BA01FC9CDF804697AD70789224184CDD8F59BC4 1946787;1571460357;deedbot;trinque unrated ben_vulpes. 1946788;1571461708;lobbes;trinque: I invite you to attack my flaws, btw. (this is why I stuck around here in the first place; to expose my own weaknesses and grow stronger). What prompts the unrate? 1946789;1571461785;lobbes;and I do believe the general approach to this is sound; the enemy will not give a shit about one's ego. Best to attack them here 1946790;1571463797;lobbes;anyways I'll start it off: you could stand to be more explicit in your communication. As it stands now I'm stuck assuming what you consider my flaws. From my perch I'm *doing more* now than I was in 2017 when you rated me at 2, so it makes little sense to me. And since I truly hate assuming, instead I won't even bother wasting further cycles until I hear more. 1946791;1571463802;lobbes;point being that if you were explicit from the get-go, then I'd have that much more time to *do something* about any identified flaw, instead of waiting until next week or whenever you decide to return 1946792;1571464474;lobbes;speaking of wot cleanup, I may as well cull mine while quiet: 1946793;1571464479;lobbes;!!v 7A939D3E1839E8B881C880542690B6D85C4BFAA15E033B4240C7951372EA456E 1946794;1571464480;deedbot;lobbes unrated pankkake. 1946795;1571464485;lobbes;!!v E7D0EC16176D8E09637FC96F12D04CD91E0E436D9F1094E58A1EA99753DCA7BF 1946796;1571464486;deedbot;lobbes unrated douchebag. 1946797;1571464491;lobbes;!!v 9F50A2A2EA94477C9E71D594720B62702DB5ED6658E91DD4B0E229B7AFA4930A 1946798;1571464492;deedbot;lobbes unrated sturles. 1946799;1571464497;lobbes;!!v 6EA15251850F05F186FC23FD5B3FD2032337F66F3E5E93A7E1FAB8B27120BC02 1946800;1571464497;deedbot;lobbes updated rating of danielpbarron from 2 to 1 1946801;1571464505;lobbes;!!v EB3D5AEF276775E9A45F85A2AB9979DE290B629AA989D0857C6BA3CEAFBC89A1 1946802;1571464506;deedbot;lobbes unrated esthlos. 1946803;1571464513;lobbes;!!v 06ED193558213AEE7964841CD341151E6E77F9BDC706BF18CB73593F59D567F4 1946804;1571464513;deedbot;lobbes unrated Birdman. 1946805;1571464522;lobbes;~fin 1946806;1571467021;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946705 - so what is the party you are making there in your hall? because so far the ~only visible part has been deedbot-related + unpublished code on it -> deedbot is the seed of trinque's party; now you say it isn't and 1. why isn't it? 2. what exactly is then? 1946807;1571467022;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-19 01:16:00 trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946557 << no, worthwhile instead to start a party first, as you are in your own hall, and then build items for the party. 1946808;1571467061;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946707 - gladly. 1946809;1571467062;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-19 01:20:10 trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946656 << eh, we're too polite of each other's egos. say, and I'll be glad someone said honestly. 1946810;1571467966;diana_coman;trinque: you keep silent though, there's nothing concrete coming out of you for months neither here nor on the blog and then you explode with stuff like http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946710 ; personally I don't mind it, have fun and all that but this sort of secretive-working-on-his-greatness is just as much avoidance as you note in others; [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946711][attack my flaws] my foot; y 1946811;1571467966;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-19 01:27:38 trinque: let it be plain that I hate most of you. and you should hate me back. I don't want to hear another dipshit that can't find his way into a 50k/yr business call himself lord. 1946812;1571467966;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-19 01:30:13 trinque: so now, you attack my flaws. I attack yours. and out of that, republic. or nothing, in which case who cares. 1946813;1571468234;diana_coman;trinque: and no, I won't spend my time "hating back" the silence. 1946814;1571468386;diana_coman;in more productive news: ossasepia.com is back at new IP 205.134.172.6 ; many thanks to asciilifeform for setting it up and to BingoBoingo for making the very smooth transfer possible! 1946815;1571468513;diana_coman;and ugh how horrible that theme is. 1946816;1571469641;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946746 - you also expect everyone else to hunt you in the dark and come all the way to texas just for the pleasure of finally seeing those delicious flaws, or what? 1946817;1571469641;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-19 03:56:17 diana_coman: trinque: you keep silent though, there's nothing concrete coming out of you for months neither here nor on the blog and then you explode with stuff like http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946710 ; personally I don't mind it, have fun and all that but this sort of secretive-working-on-his-greatness is just as much avoidance as you note in others; [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946 1946818;1571469705;diana_coman;(the above was the continuation that my shitty client here ate; will have to fix this too) 1946819;1571470173;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946684 << not discussing here the software ; just the hw. 1946820;1571470174;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-19 00:37:48 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946439 << I see no issues with this as long as the bot will have permissions to write files to the 'mp-wp root directory'. I'm not very familiar with the old UY1 mp-wp setup and permissions setup so I couldn't say for sure (I used the rockchip for my bloggin' with piz) 1946821;1571470174;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-18 15:37:49 mp_en_viaje: lobbes i'm thinking of cloning the pizarro shared for sitting down your thing on ; but comments welcome. 1946822;1571470185;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, irssi ? 1946823;1571470250;mp_en_viaje;i keep going to sleep in these humongous beds, in these tomb-silent rooms behind half-inch thick blockout curtains, dead tired. and when i wake, it takes three, four passes to even reconceptualize where the fuck i am. 1946824;1571470608;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946703 << this is the fundamental problem with the whole damn thing, "oh, we want to be safe". "how the fuck are you going to [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945903][LIVE] then ?!" "no matter". 1946825;1571470608;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-19 01:12:41 trinque: all I did was piss my money away, and the idiot's still an idiot doing idiot things. 1946826;1571470608;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-16 11:02:58 mp_en_viaje: leave your mark in this world. kill some of the boys born the same as year as you. hurt some of the girls. make a dent. 1946827;1571470696;mp_en_viaje;sounds easy enough at the entrance gate ; but once inside it becomes obvious that where can't live, can't live. my constant "either help me build something, help the idiots be idiots, or be sad in a corner -- there's no other option" is, similarily, insistently perceived as so much empty bravado at the gate. but, in reality, as time goes by... 1946828;1571471149;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946704 << one day, a fish read a story about a sheep learning the torah, so it decided to learn to walk on land. it waited patiently for the rabbi to show up by the shore with a line, and caught itself in the hook. the rabbi held his head, rolled his eyes, cursed in the winds but the fish practiced diligently and in a short time was able to take half hour walks around the shore, 1946829;1571471149;mp_en_viaje;enjoying the light breeze. 1946830;1571471149;mp_en_viaje;one day as the fish was resting by a rock, under a willow, a man went by, and saw it, and said to his mates "let's go away, what stench here, of rotting fish". yet how did the man smell the rotting of the living fish ? what was it that he smelled ? was it his memory ? was it his imagination ? if the fish isn't rotting on the shore, can a man smell the stench of rotting fish ? 1946831;1571471150;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-19 01:13:59 trinque: and you know, these are the things friends discuss rather than stotting before eachother playing at greatness. I should hope we are that, and I am disappointed when we aren't. 1946832;1571471612;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946707 << it's like this : she doesnt' want to talk over you, especially as you're usually shy, or at the least come off as shy, because she figures (correctly) that there'll be time enough for that, later. the way she conceptualizes it, if she says something now that blocks something you were gonna say, that's lost, as it'll probably never get said, but like wood splinters, will 1946833;1571471613;mp_en_viaje; get skinned over, and rot there, to be revisited at best again in a painful supuration if at all. whereas if she lets you speak and says whatever later, exactly nothing's lost, not like she's about to forget her mind overnight. 1946834;1571471613;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-19 01:20:10 trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946656 << eh, we're too polite of each other's egos. say, and I'll be glad someone said honestly. 1946835;1571471955;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946702 << let it be observed, since we're here, the INTRICATE way in which socialism perpetuates itself. by getting you to believe the whole "intelectual property" claptrap, it gets you to ~volunteer~ for tax in one of its principal tax halls. and it's not even the money tax that's interesting, all the personal service tax, where you pay homage and pay court upon a bunch of socia 1946836;1571471955;mp_en_viaje;list tards & [http://trilema.com/2018/scar-tissue-where-law-used-to-be/][precious cuntlets]... 1946837;1571471955;mp_en_viaje;do you realise all the dumb cunts "working in the court" "having a career in law" etc would be at home confronting the suck cock or die starving dilemma, if it wasn't for your gullibility, buying into the socialist fiction enough to [http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/?b=then%20go%20work&e=here%20for#select][pay them what they ask] for them to [http://trilema.com/2010/aventurile-zilei/?b=Si-am%20ajuns&e=revoluti 1946838;1571471956;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-19 01:12:27 trinque: in my case a chap stole from me, gave to an enemy. I was enraged. 1946839;1571471958;mp_en_viaje;e#select][do what they want] ? 1946840;1571471997;mp_en_viaje;it's this intricate ball of self-supporting yearn ; and it's by no means trivial a job to identify which node supports which strand ; or how. 1946841;1571472059;mp_en_viaje;why can't all those careerwomen go the way of lobbes 's girlfriend, exactly ? what's keeping them "busy" ? 1946842;1571472130;mp_en_viaje;belief, rite. [http://trilema.com/2018/patriarchy-vs-matriarchy-the-straight-dope/?b=for%20as%20long%20as%20you%20think%20mating%20in%20terms%20of%20female&e=island#select][for as long as you believe]... 1946843;1571472252;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946705 << how are the people coming to this party supposed to find it ? every other empty hall looks like any other, how are they to ~recognize~ the right one ? see ? 1946844;1571472252;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-19 01:16:00 trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946557 << no, worthwhile instead to start a party first, as you are in your own hall, and then build items for the party. 1946845;1571472262;mp_en_viaje;it's not so easy as all that, "turn this lever now there's light". 1946846;1571472389;mp_en_viaje;yes, when the party was now in #trilema, something nobody had even heard of, everyone could recognize it, on the basis of "mp saying so", but that basis was built in turn, out of other things. it's a fully dynamic thing, you can't arbitrarily static-ize "JUST THIS ONE" node and then archimede all over the place, 'by this fixed point i therefore move earth and sky'. there's no fixed point, and no matter which one you choose there 1946847;1571472389;mp_en_viaje;'s not gonna be one, this game of chasing "credibly defensible" "just this one, just this once" etc is doomed. 1946848;1571472587;mp_en_viaje;in fact, that's precisely what "jwz" means an' refers to : the intuitively persuasive but utterly untenable belief that one could find the just-right-one static point to prop the lever against, and then instead of 1946849;1571472631;mp_en_viaje;all that trouble with [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log-search?q=ratchet&chan=trilema][ratchets] could use the incomparably cheaper and easier lever machine. it makes less noise, it needs no grease, it doesn't wear out nearly as much and etcetera. oh if only. 1946850;1571472735;mp_en_viaje;dun fucking work, it'd be nice if we could fix cracked cylinders with MAOAM, but it dun work, and not because haven't found the right flavour. it'd be nice if you could cure stupidity with massages and syphilis with needless, but it dun work, and not because haven't found the exact spot yet. and so following. 1946851;1571472758;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946758 - myeah, I keep forgetting to put that longlines script in autorun on new setups. 1946852;1571472758;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-19 04:33:16 mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, irssi ? 1946853;1571472906;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946709 << this is so. 1946854;1571472907;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-19 01:26:47 trinque: oh and by the way, "making them sweat it" is not maximum pressure. it's avoidance behavior, the same as "tomorrow I'll be sober/file police report/make a 'conversion engine'" whatever the fuck. 1946855;1571473024;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946721 << i don't understand what this means, gramatically. is it "makes those sounds which he thinks noble, but without any actual real anything to go with them" ? 1946856;1571473025;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-19 01:49:25 deedbot: trinque updated rating of mod6 from 2 to -1 << Makes sounds thought noble about nothing. 1946857;1571473090;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946710 << bwahahah lmao 1946858;1571473091;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-19 01:27:38 trinque: let it be plain that I hate most of you. and you should hate me back. I don't want to hear another dipshit that can't find his way into a 50k/yr business call himself lord. 1946859;1571473313;diana_coman;I hope it's 50k btc / yr at least . 1946860;1571473354;mp_en_viaje;gotta start somewheres. 1946861;1571473453;*;mp_en_viaje also suspects trinque had the help of a whole regiment of little johny walkers to pierce through what he perceives, mostly of his own conception, the highly dangerous and difficult to cross dielectric insulation. 1946862;1571473474;mp_en_viaje;not from a good life, this perception. but what can you do... 1946863;1571475094;mp_en_viaje;so looking for where the fyuck i explain whence and wherefore i've seen more preteen cunt than ~anyone outside of maybe a few forensic gynecologists, which of course i can't fucking find, i instead found http://trilema.com/2011/cosmin-gusa-este-pericolul/ 1946864;1571475136;mp_en_viaje;ie, YET ANOTHER trilema prophetic piece, the schmuck in question hit the nat'l stage a few years later and then... i dunno, i think he's being searched for by the interpol now, unless they found him ? i 1946865;1571475141;mp_en_viaje;ve not been following. 1946866;1571476767;hanbot_abroad;BingoBoingo : i'd like access on UY1 but via this travel key. 1946867;1571476767;lobbesbot;hanbot_abroad: Sent 4 days, 6 hours, and 51 minutes ago: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=lXMx 1946868;1571476779;hanbot_abroad;!!gettrust hanbot_abroad 1946869;1571476779;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections. 1946870;1571476875;hanbot_abroad;hrm. http://wot.deedbot.org/21407B3B5FB85C255DBFE463615BE7B45FE6A04F.html 1946871;1571478123;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/the-three-kinds-and-the-two-kinds/ << Trilema -- The three kinds ; and the two kinds. 1946872;1571478786;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman: trinque: [...] this sort of secretive-working-on-his-greatness is just as much avoidance as you note in others; attack my flaws my foot; [...] << this is certainly so. 1946873;1571479337;mp_en_viaje;oh hanbot_abroad such travel, so fast, hungary, austria 1946874;1571479369;mp_en_viaje;lajos salutes you! 1946875;1571482728;diana_coman;hanbot_abroad it's !!reputation hanbot_abroad you want there. 1946876;1571482760;diana_coman;gettrust is for rep from deedbot itself. 1946877;1571491174;trinque;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946726 << rating isn't a reward. I was using it improperly. and unrate isn't a punishment. 1946878;1571491174;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-19 02:46:47 lobbes: anyways I'll start it off: you could stand to be more explicit in your communication. As it stands now I'm stuck assuming what you consider my flaws. From my perch I'm *doing more* now than I was in 2017 when you rated me at 2, so it makes little sense to me. And since I truly hate assuming, instead I won't even bother wasting further cycles until I hear more. 1946879;1571491297;trinque;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946742 << I shall be dedicating more of my time *here* to my hall, on your and mircea_popescu's example, and less time on monastisolipsism "for the archeologists" as asciilifeform puts it so often. I am loudly proclaiming my own stupidity to date, what's not to understand. 1946880;1571491297;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-19 03:40:32 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946705 - so what is the party you are making there in your hall? because so far the ~only visible part has been deedbot-related + unpublished code on it -> deedbot is the seed of trinque's party; now you say it isn't and 1. why isn't it? 2. what exactly is then? 1946881;1571491495;trinque;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946746 << there's nothing secret. asciilifeform bitches about being poor, I tell him I have a 100k or so on a prototype run of his (apparently not yet design-complete, so w/e) RSA item, this passes in silence. 1946882;1571491495;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-19 03:56:17 diana_coman: trinque: you keep silent though, there's nothing concrete coming out of you for months neither here nor on the blog and then you explode with stuff like http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946710 ; personally I don't mind it, have fun and all that but this sort of secretive-working-on-his-greatness is just as much avoidance as you note in others; [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946 1946883;1571491559;trinque;the mention of the money isn't even virtue signaling. all the steps on the ladder past the first involve *investment* and not *behold how many arms come out of my ass* 1946884;1571491597;trinque;one can't just do all the work himself forever; that isn't a house, and it isn't *because* it's not growing 1946885;1571491796;trinque;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946752 << scared of a little fun in the dark or what. but no, I don't know why you're coming to the defense of the larpers here. if you count me among them, that's exactly what you should say. 1946886;1571491796;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-19 04:24:12 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946746 - you also expect everyone else to hunt you in the dark and come all the way to texas just for the pleasure of finally seeing those delicious flaws, or what? 1946887;1571492162;trinque;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946767 << bahaha this is some master-level mockery I didn't even grok, so I'm-a just sit here and "yes this is dog" 1946888;1571492162;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-19 04:49:21 mp_en_viaje: one day as the fish was resting by a rock, under a willow, a man went by, and saw it, and said to his mates "let's go away, what stench here, of rotting fish". yet how did the man smell the rotting of the living fish ? what was it that he smelled ? was it his memory ? was it his imagination ? if the fish isn't rotting on the shore, can a man smell the stench of rotting fish ? 1946889;1571492298;trinque;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946774 << indeed, and exactly what I was driving at. zombie pizarro and the uy-IT-bois are making coy noises that sound like the beginnings of a contract enforcement suit. I'm saying scare them now, head it off, and cut rope. 1946890;1571492298;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-19 05:02:46 mp_en_viaje: do you realise all the dumb cunts "working in the court" "having a career in law" etc would be at home confronting the suck cock or die starving dilemma, if it wasn't for your gullibility, buying into the socialist fiction enough to [http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/?b=then%20go%20work&e=here%20for#select][pay them what they ask] for them to [http://trilema.com/2010/aventurile-zilei/?b=Si-am%20a 1946891;1571492300;trinque;or not, w/e 1946892;1571492500;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946815 - now, that's clear; (and it wasn't before, or at least not to me, no). 1946893;1571492500;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-19 10:25:09 trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946742 << I shall be dedicating more of my time *here* to my hall, on your and mircea_popescu's example, and less time on monastisolipsism "for the archeologists" as asciilifeform puts it so often. I am loudly proclaiming my own stupidity to date, what's not to understand. 1946894;1571492576;trinque;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946779 << gonna go fishing for artists around my fort a bit, see what I turn up, and will write about it soon as I put my blog back on old DC 1946895;1571492576;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-19 05:07:43 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946705 << how are the people coming to this party supposed to find it ? every other empty hall looks like any other, how are they to ~recognize~ the right one ? see ? 1946896;1571492588;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946821 - no, I'm not at all coming to their defense; I am just noting that at least until now you've been practicing avoidance just as much as they did; perhaps in a different flavour, sure. 1946897;1571492588;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-19 10:33:28 trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946752 << scared of a little fun in the dark or what. but no, I don't know why you're coming to the defense of the larpers here. if you count me among them, that's exactly what you should say. 1946898;1571492647;trinque;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946795 << I used the common denomination intentionally. 1946899;1571492647;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-19 05:25:24 diana_coman: I hope it's 50k btc / yr at least . 1946900;1571492664;trinque;also lmao @ topic! 1946901;1571492750;trinque;diana_coman: I don't dispute that. 1946902;1571492947;mp_en_viaje;apparently if you remove power brick from laptop to have it cloned, the laptop left behind eventually loses power. who knew! 1946903;1571492997;mp_en_viaje;trinque, wait, wait, so you're making artist castle ?! holy hell, please. 1946904;1571493004;diana_coman;cool then; looking forward to the more visible trinque. 1946905;1571493006;mp_en_viaje;walk of deviantart or ? 1946906;1571493327;trinque;that might be one ocean to filter. 1946907;1571493338;trinque;there are also a few operating dens in austin corporeally yet 1946908;1571493407;trinque;maybe somebody wants rent. I used to fuck nothing but tattooed punk chicks with canvases before I became a laptop creature for the money. this isn't such a stretch. 1946909;1571494860;mp_en_viaje;trinque, i wish you punkspeed 1946910;1571496225;hanbot_abroad;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946810 << lol, that asshat. 1946911;1571496225;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-19 07:06:20 mp_en_viaje: lajos salutes you! 1946912;1571496261;hanbot_abroad;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946721 << this makes me sad, both 'cause i rather like mod6, and 'cause the comment rings rather true. i hope whatever's bogging him down, stops. 1946913;1571496262;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-19 01:49:25 deedbot: trinque updated rating of mod6 from 2 to -1 << Makes sounds thought noble about nothing. 1946914;1571496271;BingoBoingo;hanbot_abroad: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=EX0X 1946915;1571496356;hanbot_abroad;tyvm BingoBoingo. 1946916;1571496383;BingoBoingo;hanbot_abroad: You are welcome. Apologies for the travel key confusion. 1946917;1571496470;hanbot_abroad;no worries, i'd rather make odd requests specifically when i have 'em, than have 'em anticipated! 1946918;1571496637;BingoBoingo;hanbot_abroad: Let me know if your use of the LAMP discovers any weird, hard corners, etc. .htaccess for classic mp-wp rules works. No more weird apache 2.4 require statements. Good old allow, deny works 1946919;1571496650;hanbot_abroad;ah cool 1946920;1571496786;BingoBoingo;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946697 << I'm going to find which of the local prefecturas is responsible for the scene of the crime, assemble supporting docs, etc, and try to have this done by opening of business hours Monday morning 1946921;1571496787;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-19 01:09:16 trinque: BingoBoingo: make sure you actually file the report, per mp. name of the game is increasing the perceived cost of dealing with you vs settling sensibly 1946922;1571496997;BingoBoingo;After the last [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946654][communication] I will take a generous settlement and the copy I have been soliciting lawyers with includes that as the desired outcome. 1946923;1571496997;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-18 18:00:35 BingoBoingo: So in today news found a responsive lawyer interested in the case. As our conversation started http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=1YXH hit my inbox 1946924;1571497044;BingoBoingo;http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=JCaO << The section of my solicitor solicitation concerning outcomes and my preferences for them. 1946925;1571498470;BingoBoingo;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946485 << Weighing this some sort of stock warrant, percent of shared hosting revenue, or combination of the two will probably work. It depends on how active you want me to be in administering the shared server, but I don't want to burden you with a fixed commitment up front. Also, I'm not the one baby sitting the rack this time. 1946926;1571498471;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-18 13:42:06 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and, and, what you want in exchange for your participation. given as this op is not a continuation of piz proper. 1946927;1571498851;*;asciilifeform finally ate entire log 1946928;1571499001;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: you could actually get 100% of the shared hosting revenues -- in exch for colo rate for the req'd machine, if you like. ( asciilifeform still baking the entire thing, as specced by mp_en_viaje , doing a 'measure 7 time, cut 1nce' but no one will be invoiced for anyffin until passes criticism. ) 1946929;1571499137;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: At this stage of the game I don't want to deny you the potential income on what could be your high margin offering. 1946930;1571499146;asciilifeform;naturally in this variant, BingoBoingo would be responsible for 100% of the programmatics; asciilifeform -- for physical/electrical maintenance. 1946931;1571499201;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: alternatively i'ma supply the machine and roll it into the operating expense, and BingoBoingo does same, for 1/2 of the sharedhosting rev. 1946932;1571499234;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: think about this today, i'ma need the answer for the calculation. 1946933;1571499489;asciilifeform;re trinque's dialogues -- if trinque wants to unrate folx, it's b/w him and odin, as all ratings. and same re checking out to be an artist etc. was hoping to see e.g. [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-22#1937510][this] come outta him before he checks out, rather than leaving wot, deedbot, wallet, to be rewritten hastily, like phf left the logger, but what can do. at least he, unlike phf, gave advanced warning. 1946934;1571499489;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-22 00:12:52 trinque: I'll genesis the wotcode after this is complete. 1946935;1571499515;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Will do 1946936;1571499829;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/praecipe-epops/ << Trilema -- Praecipe epops 1946937;1571499885;*;asciilifeform brb,tea 1946938;1571500047;trinque;it's weird, I check in, and you say it must mean I'm checking out. 1946939;1571500122;trinque;and sure, shall publish. I have never held anyone hostage in my operations of the wallet, and this flows from fundamentals. 1946940;1571500160;trinque;I agree that there shouldn't be a "the" wallet, too. 1946941;1571500534;BingoBoingo;trinque: While the thread is still fresh, thank you for the well honed edge your criticism cuts with. 1946942;1571501299;lobbes;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946813 << gotcha, and ty. this makes sense 1946943;1571501299;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-19 10:23:06 trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946726 << rating isn't a reward. I was using it improperly. and unrate isn't a punishment. 1946944;1571501302;lobbes;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946755 << got it. In that case I have nothing to add re: hw specs 1946945;1571501303;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-19 04:33:04 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946684 << not discussing here the software ; just the hw. 1946946;1571501570;feedbot;http://thewhet.net/2019/10/a-black-forest/ << The Whet -- A Black Forest 1946947;1571502168;hanbot_abroad;in other indechipherable languages that shouldn't exist, liszt in hungarian = flour. but buzaretesliszt = grits! and incidentally i learned you can, in fact, make bread outta grits. it's...edible. 1946948;1571502326;BingoBoingo;hanbot_abroad: AHA, kind how cornbread works applied to a different cereal 1946949;1571502438;BingoBoingo;Except... with a lot more protein to work with 1946950;1571502648;hanbot_abroad;a lot more protein and a lot more syllables lol 1946951;1571503132;BingoBoingo;Holy shit! The local Codigo Penal is short. 1946952;1571503820;asciilifeform;ftr asciilifeform was not able to locate [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946575][this] in the logs. where did it happen ? 1946953;1571503821;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-18 16:36:28 trinque: I even told alf I had the cash to do an experimental run of the RSA chip, and he ignored, because why have friends 1946954;1571504441;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946581 << it's presently impractical, but not for the reason stated here. in e.g. 35nm, ~could~ fit a [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934386][fast] 4096x4096 multer. but ~riotously~ expensive , very high risk (any given production run, even with simulations and 'measure 7777 times, cut 1nce' , can produce a dud) ; wholly unknown prospects for earning back the spent 1946955;1571504441;asciilifeform;dough; and , to make matters worse, req's several sets of (literate) hands . 1946956;1571504442;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-18 16:39:33 mp_en_viaje: if you're interested in my (allegedly clueless, as it periodically is) understanding of the matter, alf wasn't interested in baking you a rsa chip because the item is not currently feasible. it specifically requires an object not yet known to exist, the extremely long mult'er. 1946957;1571504442;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 22:52:32 asciilifeform: ( btw , for thread-completeness -- you need 4096 modexp in < 3.8 ~microsecond~ to eat GB at line-rate. ) 1946958;1571504647;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946583 << 100% of the req'd algos & proofs for same, published on asciilifeform's www. trinque in fact could attempt the item with own hands, if he wishes, w/out asking anyone's permission , if he thinks it can be done w/ his avail. resources. 1946959;1571504647;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-18 16:45:28 trinque: the particular item might not be possible yet, maybe there are experiments leading up, maybe not yet. 1946960;1571504790;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: dun let [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946659][this] wait. it'll take, what, coupla hr ? get it going, wtf 1946961;1571504790;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-18 18:03:38 mp_en_viaje: because that'd be the correct answer at this juncture, "here's my copy of police report" 1946962;1571504848;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I'm eating the criminal code now to make sure I can offer all the potential aggrevating circumstances 1946963;1571504881;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946701 << afaik he's right 1946964;1571504881;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-19 01:11:32 trinque: so, exert maximum pressure *now*, and then bend them to a settlement and be done. 1946965;1571505333;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946746 << since apparently 'open season' -- fella had 2 posts in 2+y , 1 (imho quite interesting) about getting dr.mengele'd , the other, incomplete cuntoo draft 1946966;1571505333;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-19 03:56:17 diana_coman: trinque: you keep silent though, there's nothing concrete coming out of you for months neither here nor on the blog and then you explode with stuff like http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946710 ; personally I don't mind it, have fun and all that but this sort of secretive-working-on-his-greatness is just as much avoidance as you note in others; [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946 1946967;1571505427;asciilifeform;'mote in his eye, log in my eye'(tm) or how did it go? 'these lamers can't run a biz' but how about run a blog ? 1946968;1571505646;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946767 << from asciilifeform's homeplanet, similar parable : j00 abramovich invites friend's family to dinner. next day calls him: 'our silver spoons, they are missing, how couldja!' friend:'dafuq yer talking about' a:'thief! i never want to see your face again'. next day, a calls him : 'we, uhm, found those spoons.' him : 'so, let's have dinner next week?' a: 'no! THE STAIN, IT REMAI 1946969;1571505647;asciilifeform;NS!' 1946970;1571505647;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-19 04:49:21 mp_en_viaje: one day as the fish was resting by a rock, under a willow, a man went by, and saw it, and said to his mates "let's go away, what stench here, of rotting fish". yet how did the man smell the rotting of the living fish ? what was it that he smelled ? was it his memory ? was it his imagination ? if the fish isn't rotting on the shore, can a man smell the stench of rotting fish ? 1946971;1571505840;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946817 << if trinque thinks can produce useful ic of whatever variety for <=100k, oughta do it himself and make fabulous dough , and put entire current set of practitioners outta biz. 1946972;1571505840;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-19 10:28:27 trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946746 << there's nothing secret. asciilifeform bitches about being poor, I tell him I have a 100k or so on a prototype run of his (apparently not yet design-complete, so w/e) RSA item, this passes in silence. 1946973;1571506107;asciilifeform;doubly so if indeed [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946821][ trinque is the only genuine article besides mp, errybody else -- charlatans ]. wai involve charlatans ? do w/ own hands. 1946974;1571506108;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-19 10:33:28 trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946752 << scared of a little fun in the dark or what. but no, I don't know why you're coming to the defense of the larpers here. if you count me among them, that's exactly what you should say. 1946975;1571506274;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946848 << mod6 does seem to have contracted some kinda passivity-inducing brain fungus. asciilifeform hopes that curable, but prognosis for these is generally poor. threatens to hamstring the piz windup, too, sadly. 1946976;1571506275;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-19 11:47:54 hanbot_abroad: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946721 << this makes me sad, both 'cause i rather like mod6, and 'cause the comment rings rather true. i hope whatever's bogging him down, stops. 1946977;1571506311;asciilifeform;!o seen-anywhere mod6 1946978;1571506311;ossabot;mod6 last seen in #trilema on [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946670][2019-10-18 20:55:34]: Thanks for the update BingoBoingo. I'm a couple of days behind on logz here; I've been horribly ill for the last 3 days. I'll start catching up, bbl. 1946979;1571506670;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946890 << so then EXACTLY for the reasons stated. stop being retarded and read what's written 1946980;1571506670;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-19 14:04:14 asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946581 << it's presently impractical, but not for the reason stated here. in e.g. 35nm, ~could~ fit a [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934386][fast] 4096x4096 multer. but ~riotously~ expensive , very high risk (any given production run, even with simulations and 'measure 7777 times, cut 1nce' , can produce a dud) ; wholly unknown prospects for e 1946981;1571506683;*;mp_en_viaje didn't appreciate the butchery of his parable, either. 1946982;1571506699;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i like yours moar, actually, will refer to it henceforth 1946983;1571506714;mp_en_viaje;it's different subject!!11 1946984;1571506722;asciilifeform;it is ? 1946985;1571506779;mp_en_viaje;yes! 1946986;1571506790;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: re ic , it aint clear that we disagree. mp: 'req'd component dun exist' a: 'here's why dun exist' but point taken 1946987;1571506816;mp_en_viaje;it suggests he might be misinterpreting events on the basis of his experience with more common representatives of the genus. there's nothing like this in the orig jewish fable. 1946988;1571506827;asciilifeform;hm. 1946989;1571506839;mp_en_viaje;and no, i said "dun exist BECAUSE STRUCTURE TOO FINE FOR AVAIL MEDIA" 1946990;1571506914;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946903 << keks. it sticks. 1946991;1571506915;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-19 14:20:40 asciilifeform: 'mote in his eye, log in my eye'(tm) or how did it go? 'these lamers can't run a biz' but how about run a blog ? 1946992;1571507113;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946911 << i thought he was getting himself out of whatever swamp. 1946993;1571507113;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-19 14:34:48 asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946848 << mod6 does seem to have contracted some kinda passivity-inducing brain fungus. asciilifeform hopes that curable, but prognosis for these is generally poor. threatens to hamstring the piz windup, too, sadly. 1946994;1571507150;mp_en_viaje;then again i've been thinking this for years+ for many others, and generally tend to think thus, so it;s not exactly a reliable explanation. more like my null hypothesis for some incomprehensible reason. 1946995;1571507151;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939278][said], at least. 1946996;1571507152;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-30 14:06:42 mod6: Hai all, it's been a pretty intense month - lot going on here. I've left my 9-5 job! 1946997;1571507157;mp_en_viaje;evidently they never do, thought same of phf, and so on 1946998;1571507334;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946750 << wb ossasepia ! btw. and yw diana_coman . service is phree until 1month after : cost sheet posted (i expect mon. 21 oct) and passes rigorous mp_en_viaje crit . 1946999;1571507334;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-19 04:03:16 diana_coman: in more productive news: ossasepia.com is back at new IP 205.134.172.6 ; many thanks to asciilifeform for setting it up and to BingoBoingo for making the very smooth transfer possible! 1947000;1571507388;asciilifeform;diana_coman presently has 100m pipe all to own self. 1947001;1571507444;*;mp_en_viaje shall take the girls on the town, bbl / tomorro. 1947002;1571507450;asciilifeform;enjoy mp_en_viaje 1947003;1571507479;*;asciilifeform back to work. 1947004;1571507802;mod6;asciilifeform: what are you waiting on from me? 1947005;1571507921;asciilifeform;mod6: formulated like this, the q has no answr. rather, q is , wai is it that it was asciilifeform who had to prod BingoBoingo each time he req'd a prod ? while mod6 logged in maybe 1/wk... 1947006;1571507974;mod6;You guys have been running the ship for like, what, 14 months? Didn't think you needed my prods. 1947007;1571508038;mod6;Anyway, as far as litigation and things, basically I'd like to see if we can save some money. How much money? Well, I'm trying to dig up the costs we spend on that thing per month... 1947008;1571508066;BingoBoingo;mod6: http://archive.is/wQWcU Last monthly statement before the closing one. 1947009;1571508074;mod6;ok 1947010;1571508108;mod6;Sum the amount of money we would still owe through the end of the contract, specified via the letter the idiots sent you yesterday please. 1947011;1571508161;mod6;(in usd, plz) 1947012;1571508270;BingoBoingo;mod6: They've been evasive on that, expressed willingness to offer a "discount". They offered no exact sum. The range any sum they are capable of asking would fall into is enough to maybe or maybe not buy one of these http://archive.is/hdzCy 1947013;1571508285;mod6;What, that's like: 2835+2835+2835+2835 for oct+nov+dec+jan = 11,340? 1947014;1571508327;BingoBoingo;Shave off a month. Ceiling is around 8000 USD 1947015;1571508338;mod6;Ok, so oct is paid already then? 1947016;1571508393;BingoBoingo;By my accounting payment made for october is a floor on the damages to pursue. 1947017;1571508452;BingoBoingo;Their only defenses to collect on the remainder of the contract are active ones that don't apply with the bad faith they have demonstrated. 1947018;1571508528;mod6;I'd like to see pizarro save some money on the total $11,340 that would normally owe through the end of the contract, since yea, from what I've read in here, seems like they've screwed us over. 1947019;1571508545;BingoBoingo;No lawyer that bit yesterday's pitch wants any money for the initial sit down to talk about the case. The water here is rich with blood the doesn't taste like mine. 1947020;1571508593;mod6;And if we can get, apparently 3, different lawyers to look at our case (are we interviewing them for free, or is there a retainer for each? if so, how much?). please write down what they say, if they think we have a good case, etc. 1947021;1571508615;BingoBoingo;mod6: I am interviewing 3, none so far are asking for money. 1947022;1571508652;BingoBoingo;The case as it is, as it has been pitched to them appears very clean under the local laws. 1947023;1571508718;BingoBoingo;This is so because Maximiliano, the sale manager who Latecho has handling communications with me is a walking disaster for them. 1947024;1571508726;mod6;Well, talk to each, take notes, let us know how it goes with each. Get their billing rates. 1947025;1571508797;mod6;Maybe we can get them to the table and we can negociate something better for us. I guess, worst case, pizarro ends up paying the remaining money. 1947026;1571508803;mod6;Please correct me if I'm wrong here. 1947027;1571508869;BingoBoingo;mod6: Paying the datacenter more money when they are in flagrant breach of contract is immoral, even with my scrotum stitched to broken as hell contract, I am ruling it out. 1947028;1571508921;BingoBoingo;mod6: Please read http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=JCaO which is the outcomes I am telling the lawyers I want. 1947029;1571508923;mod6;Well, it may be immoral, right. I don't want to pay them another cent, bit cent or otherwise. But, we'll see what happens, no? 1947030;1571508929;asciilifeform;i thought mod6 [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1946005][already agreed] re 'nomoar, basta' 1947031;1571508930;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-16 15:22:33 mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6 not yet spoken, but asciilifeform 100% opposes any further movement of any kinda moneys ~into~ latech from piggy , on any pretext whatsoever. << Yeah, no more money for them. 1947032;1571509044;mod6;Here's what you should do, perhaps beforehand; pay back the debt holders. Pay S.NSA, pay the foundation; any others. 1947033;1571509081;mod6;Or at least subtract it from the cash total we're sitting upon. Then we'll also have a better idea of what we're working with in case this thing goes to #2. 1947034;1571509101;asciilifeform;mod6: the very idea of continuing to sell coin from piz piggy in order ton pay extortion to a scam latech, is batshit beyond contemplation. if BingoBoingo bungles lawsuit and we gotta evacuate him so he aint sold for organs -- then evacuate. but wtf already, nomoar to latech, can this q be settled definitively 1ce and for all time ? 1947035;1571509109;asciilifeform;* to pay 1947036;1571509148;asciilifeform;from prev. thread w/ mod6 , i thought ~this~, if nuffin else, is settled matter 100%. 1947037;1571509153;mod6;We did settle this. Why are you saying I'm holding you back? 1947038;1571509186;asciilifeform;mod6: am i parsing [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946965][this] incorrectly ? 1947039;1571509187;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-19 15:18:56 mod6: Well, it may be immoral, right. I don't want to pay them another cent, bit cent or otherwise. But, we'll see what happens, no? 1947040;1571509202;BingoBoingo;mod6: I'd like to get a plan of action up soon with a timeline. As a Roman law country this is a much clearer case than it would be in US court. I do however want estimates from the vampires I am assembling before doing anything definitive. 1947041;1571509234;mod6;Alright, BingoBoingo. 1947042;1571509290;mod6;asciilifeform: I do not want to pay them any more money, no. At the same time, I don't want BingoBoingo ending up in some sort of personal litigation down there, if they come after him personally. 1947043;1571509314;mod6;I'm not going to hang him out to dry, especially since it seems like he wants to say there. 1947044;1571509321;mod6;*stay 1947045;1571509322;BingoBoingo;I have my doubts the case will be taken on a strictly contingency basis, but as continued communications from latecho have further opened their breaches.. it may be possible to get a lawyer who wants to do this on contingency. 1947046;1571509338;BingoBoingo;mod6: Staying or not staying is still up in the air. 1947047;1571509393;mod6;So, look. Just proceed as you are. Find out what the options look like. We'll go from there. 1947048;1571509401;mod6;That sound ok to you asciilifeform, BingoBoingo ? 1947049;1571509405;BingoBoingo;mod6: ty 1947050;1571509410;asciilifeform;mod6: the prev. agreed-upon solution to 'savages come after BingoBoingo' is evacuation. not 'burn whole piggy'. (if he ends up besieged by pygmies, no amt of piggy will necessarily suffice) 1947051;1571509438;mod6;asciilifeform: fair enough. 1947052;1571509451;asciilifeform;then seems agree. 1947053;1571509454;mod6;BingoBoingo: is that what you're ok with? 1947054;1571509525;BingoBoingo;mod6: In the absolute worse case I can hike to Argentina while developing further evacuation plans. This absolute worst case is very unlikely. 1947055;1571509541;mod6;alright then. 1947056;1571509549;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: or even brazil, say. 1947057;1571509563;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Nah, everyone there talks like faggots. 1947058;1571509580;BingoBoingo;Also Brasil border is more malarial 1947059;1571509587;BingoBoingo;And further 1947060;1571509593;*;asciilifeform worked w/ brazilians for yrs, buys. 1947061;1571509601;mod6;<+asciilifeform> mod6: am i parsing [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946965][this] incorrectly ? << Just weighing all of the possible outcomes here, really. That's all. 1947062;1571509602;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-19 15:18:56 mod6: Well, it may be immoral, right. I don't want to pay them another cent, bit cent or otherwise. But, we'll see what happens, no? 1947063;1571509750;mod6;asciilifeform: re: foundation box to your new rack; yes. Thank you, I'll get that info together in the next two days and get back to you. That ok? 1947064;1571509779;asciilifeform;mod6: also ok ; and if you want to pause until price sheet posted an' approved by mp_en_viaje , also ok. 1947065;1571509784;mod6;Like I said, was horribly ill this week, a bit behind still. 1947066;1571509809;asciilifeform;mod6: if you send it in nao, i'ma emplace it on same arrangement as w/ diana_coman . (if want it back later, costs -- postage strictly.) 1947067;1571509810;BingoBoingo;mod6: Anyways, if there is anything clean up related you are not up to speed on please let me know. I know the logs do build up fast. I will try my best to offer you relevant lines. 1947068;1571509814;mod6;Alright, well, let us know as soon as you know. 1947069;1571509852;mod6;Thank you BingoBoingo. 1947070;1571509884;mod6;Gents I need to run for a bit here. But should be around tomorrow and so following. 1947071;1571509889;BingoBoingo;One thing I have learned this week is that when I let my inner MP simulator handle heathen interactions instead of the Rube that is myself, things tend to work better. 1947072;1571509917;mod6;Nice :] 1947073;1571509925;mod6;Keep with it then. 1947074;1571509938;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: currently asciilifeform suspects that BingoBoingo's 'mp simulator' is better than asciilifeform's; if it were used moar, we'd have better results. mine still needs work. 1947075;1571509988;*;asciilifeform on that note, must genuinely bbl, megatonne of loose ends to tie. 1947076;1571509998;mod6;BingoBoingo: if I think of any other questions or clairification points, I'll ask. 1947077;1571510003;BingoBoingo;ty 1947078;1571510005;mod6;ty 1947079;1571510007;*;mod6 bbl 1947080;1571531435;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-10-19#1946971 << the figure of 1-300k came from you. you're mentally ill. 1947081;1571531435;a111;Logged on 2019-10-19 17:24 asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946817 << if trinque thinks can produce useful ic of whatever variety for <=100k, oughta do it himself and make fabulous dough , and put entire current set of practitioners outta biz. 1947082;1571531443;trinque;feh. 1947083;1571531466;trinque;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946907 << ^ 1947084;1571531467;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-19 14:27:33 asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946817 << if trinque thinks can produce useful ic of whatever variety for <=100k, oughta do it himself and make fabulous dough , and put entire current set of practitioners outta biz. 1947085;1571532514;BingoBoingo;Aite, I picked up a cheap (US like price) printer as the hours for the hire a printer shops have passed. Doing another round of proofreading and sanity checking, then printing, then off to the prefectura. 1947086;1571532635;trinque;nice 1947087;1571532911;BingoBoingo;Shoebox size HP laser thing. 125 with a ream of paper. I hoped to never need to own a printer again, but I also don't want to lose the legal race for being too cheap to get a damned printer. 1947088;1571542644;BingoBoingo;And I have my stamped copy of the police report. My that was an incredibly pleasant experience. 1947089;1571542815;BingoBoingo;No waiting in line. My report was taken with gravity. Another sectionnal will be covering the investigation because I went to the one that covers my domicile rather than the scene of the crime. 1947090;1571542900;BingoBoingo;The whole thing took 30 or 40 minutes even with the officer's pained typing. Local police roll their IT on Ubuntu... 1947091;1571542921;BingoBoingo;And, most surpring of all coming from the US... The police were polite. 1947092;1571543336;BingoBoingo;The seccional covering the most most populated Barrio of the city at midnight on a Saturday... Was quiet 1947093;1571555757;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-20#1947023 - good to hear that! 1947094;1571555757;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-20 00:41:00 BingoBoingo: And I have my stamped copy of the police report. My that was an incredibly pleasant experience. 1947095;1571556066;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946955 << this is actually pretty neat. talk to all of them, it's basically free business training for you, worth 1-2 months of us "college education" per sit. 1947096;1571556066;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-19 15:12:39 BingoBoingo: No lawyer that bit yesterday's pitch wants any money for the initial sit down to talk about the case. The water here is rich with blood the doesn't taste like mine. 1947097;1571556074;mp_en_viaje;you just don' throw that kinda thing away. 1947098;1571556165;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946968 << for some reason i thought the foundation had equity. 1947099;1571556165;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-19 15:20:58 mod6: Here's what you should do, perhaps beforehand; pay back the debt holders. Pay S.NSA, pay the foundation; any others. 1947100;1571556218;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946970 << yes, yes, it's settled, it's settled. mod6 is just doing his trademark wanna-be friends to all things, running in all directions at once sorta deal. 1947101;1571556218;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-19 15:21:55 asciilifeform: mod6: the very idea of continuing to sell coin from piz piggy in order ton pay extortion to a scam latech, is batshit beyond contemplation. if BingoBoingo bungles lawsuit and we gotta evacuate him so he aint sold for organs -- then evacuate. but wtf already, nomoar to latech, can this q be settled definitively 1ce and for all time ? 1947102;1571556249;mp_en_viaje;he just wants everyhing to be well, which, other than not ever working in practice is a great idea in theory. 1947103;1571556503;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946981 << if by contingency basis you mean, lawyer makes his end out of whatever settlement / judgement he manages, this is not what you ever want. i am aware personal injury cases in the us notoriously work in this manner -- but this is because the object of personal injury cases is the same moron that's also the object of the [http://trilema.com/2013/fried-chicken/?b=bail%20bon 1947104;1571556503;mp_en_viaje;ds&e=man#select][paycheck cashing]/advancing "business", the lottery scratch ticket, and etcetera. 1947105;1571556503;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-19 15:25:35 BingoBoingo: I have my doubts the case will be taken on a strictly contingency basis, but as continued communications from latecho have further opened their breaches.. it may be possible to get a lawyer who wants to do this on contingency. 1947106;1571556555;mp_en_viaje;it;s like hiring a plastic surgeon to fill up your tits and promise to pay him a % of all the money you realise sucking cock thenceforth. no prostitute, however slow, is dumb enough for that deal, it takes a male to do something quite as dumb. 1947107;1571556640;mp_en_viaje;lawyer's skilled labour, like the barber or the gardner. you don't pay the gardner 1 night/month with your wife in exchange for the roses he gave you to give her on your first date ; you don't pay the barber one in twelve chicks you pick up in bars with his haircut, what the fuck. fair rate for fair labour and that's that -- and if it's not worth paying, guess what ? it's also not worth doing. 1947108;1571556774;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946982 << you know, as a general point and not necessarily presented as a consideration here -- uprooting her life is the pons asinorum for whoredom in females. if she's not willing to leave everything behind and follow, naked to the ends of the world, [http://trilema.com/2019/the-slut-and-the-whore/][she's a mommy] not a whore. 1947109;1571556775;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-19 15:25:51 BingoBoingo: mod6: Staying or not staying is still up in the air. 1947110;1571556899;mp_en_viaje;following the logic, if what you're trying to do is build something, a mommy's about as useful to you as a dude. think it through, you can fuck the dude in the ass just as well as her -- better, allegedly, though i've never tried the fags do claim once you go boybutt you don't go back. and just as allegedly it's a lot more fun to suck dick than clit -- which incidentally i can well see, theoretically, there's more to it if nothi 1947111;1571556899;mp_en_viaje;ng else. 1947112;1571556931;mp_en_viaje;dude tryna build things entourage-ing self with mommies is dumber than the faggots, no doubt about it. 1947113;1571557073;mp_en_viaje;meanwhile if you aim to simply dissolve back into the background radiation, by all means, latch on to one -- doesn't even matter which, anyways, the workings of the genetics involved are [http://trilema.com/2015/the-genetics-of-intelligence/][too complicated] for whatever analysis you could come up with -- and there you go, [http://trilema.com/2012/cine-se-casatoreste/?b=cine%20se%20casatoreste&e=mici#select][done]. 1947114;1571557230;mp_en_viaje;but, suffice it to say there's a very good reason i picked nicole up naked at the airport in a country she never heard of before, and that reason ain't my jollies. not that it hurts the jollying any, but i'm way too modest and wary of vainglory to make my enjoyment the center of policy. 1947115;1571557688;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946993 << bwahahaha. its true, too. 1947116;1571557688;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-19 15:29:36 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nah, everyone there talks like faggots. 1947117;1571558114;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1947007 << shocking! 1947118;1571558114;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-19 15:35:03 BingoBoingo: One thing I have learned this week is that when I let my inner MP simulator handle heathen interactions instead of the Rube that is myself, things tend to work better. 1947119;1571558159;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1947010 << you just love your inner rube more, is all. keep getting seduced off road. 1947120;1571558159;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-19 15:35:52 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: currently asciilifeform suspects that BingoBoingo's 'mp simulator' is better than asciilifeform's; if it were used moar, we'd have better results. mine still needs work. 1947121;1571558225;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1947022 << man, i've not owned a printer in YEARS. it's so fucking great! almost as good as being rid of email. 1947122;1571558225;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-19 21:58:46 BingoBoingo: Shoebox size HP laser thing. 125 with a ream of paper. I hoped to never need to own a printer again, but I also don't want to lose the legal race for being too cheap to get a damned printer. 1947123;1571558341;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1947020 << you know, i just went hands in pockets. you really don't need the papering of police at this stage in any strict sense. i suppose it saves on handwriting. 1947124;1571558341;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-19 21:52:09 BingoBoingo: Aite, I picked up a cheap (US like price) printer as the hours for the hire a printer shops have passed. Doing another round of proofreading and sanity checking, then printing, then off to the prefectura. 1947125;1571558478;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1947016 << man, transforming what alf says back into what he's talking about is serious arcana, what the hell, his output is only english in the sense | base64 is plaintext. 1947126;1571558479;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-19 21:34:10 trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-10-19#1946971 << the figure of 1-300k came from you. you're mentally ill. 1947127;1571558568;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-20#1947023 << hey, wd! 1947128;1571558569;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-20 00:41:00 BingoBoingo: And I have my stamped copy of the police report. My that was an incredibly pleasant experience. 1947129;1571558621;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-20#1947027 << you see the things you learn, once you start working the street ? getting out of the house's a winning move, for srs. 1947130;1571558621;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-20 00:52:31 BingoBoingo: The seccional covering the most most populated Barrio of the city at midnight on a Saturday... Was quiet 1947131;1571563734;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-20#1947048 << to likbez this matter : in terms of the human herd's diversity, variety, marginal furtherance of the exploration of the available genetic space, interestingness, quality, however you'd call it -- the marginal quantum produced by the average father is about the same (really, slighty under) the marginal quantum produced by the average wayward proton. 1947132;1571563734;mp_en_viaje;(we're not counting truly powerful things like [http://trilema.com/2017/hela-matter/][viruses and such] here because, well... how the fuck are you gonna compete with that. they invented the fucking mitochondrion for crying out loud, what the fuck have you done.) 1947133;1571563734;mp_en_viaje;to put it in the plainest terms : your deciding to be a father, and a proton's hitting earth are very comparable in terms of productivity. they'll do about as much, one as the other, just like "deciding" to be a beautician and "choosing" a career in waitressing will result in very comparable yearly tax returns. 1947134;1571563734;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-20 04:41:30 mp_en_viaje: meanwhile if you aim to simply dissolve back into the background radiation, by all means, latch on to one -- doesn't even matter which, anyways, the workings of the genetics involved are [http://trilema.com/2015/the-genetics-of-intelligence/][too complicated] for whatever analysis you could come up with -- and there you go, [http://trilema.com/2012/cine-se-casatoreste/?b=cine%20se%20casatoreste&e=mici#select][done 1947135;1571563737;mp_en_viaje;the average energy of such a proton is well measured, they peak around 0.3 GeV, which is to say ~5e−11 J, or in more everyday terms 0.0000000000000000139 kWh. 1947136;1571563742;mp_en_viaje;that's the average value of fatherhood, in the grand scheme of things : the kWh retails for a coupla cents, meaning your contribution's roughly whatever you get once you're done dividing two cents to seventeen zeroes. 1947137;1571563745;mp_en_viaje;that's the budget available ; balance that out with whatever it's costing you, and there you go. women do it because, generally, it costs them a negative. you do it when your subjectively expected lifetime value comes under a quadrillionth of two cents. 1947138;1571567720;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/liget-jo-legosszetettebbszohosszusagvilagrekorddonteskenyszerneurozistunetegyuttesmegnyilvanulasfejleszthetosegvizsgalataitokrol/ << Trilema -- Liget, j ? Legsszetettebbszhosszsgvilgrekorddntsknyszerneurzistnetegyttesmegnyilvnulsfejleszthetsgvizsglataitokrl! 1947139;1571568569;mp_en_viaje;oh, and to spell out that other thing : re http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-20#1947023 your principal gain is that when you go to sit down with laywers later, and you tell them what happened and what you did so far, on that basis your odds of being taken for a rube drop from the usual 80% ot well under 1% 1947140;1571568570;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-20 00:41:00 BingoBoingo: And I have my stamped copy of the police report. My that was an incredibly pleasant experience. 1947141;1571568587;mp_en_viaje;in this as in all other things, 2nd order effects and indirect results well overthelm the direct. 1947142;1571568662;mp_en_viaje;this also has entirely nothing to do with it being "the correct thing to do" in the terms bois represent correctness, "does SHE want me to go there say hi to her" / "is it correct in the system's own view" bla bla. 1947143;1571568687;mp_en_viaje;it works because it's the correct thing to do from the subjective perspective ; and that always betrays a certain thing to the observer. 1947144;1571577052;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: Well they didn't take what I printed. I printed because while my Spanish is much stronger, I wanted precision. And based on my previous interactions with Uruguayos at desks, I had rather low expectations. 1947145;1571579192;*;BingoBoingo should also be picking up business cards Monday. The variants with and without phone number both include a GPG keyid line. 1947146;1571579359;BingoBoingo;I will say yesterday the phrase "man of the future" was bouncing around in my head quite a bit. 1947147;1571580117;BingoBoingo;The printing however did serve. I underplayed my confidence with the spanish language at the police station so that someone would read the whole narrative of suckage and understand something reportable is occurring. 1947148;1571580215;BingoBoingo;Either theft under art 340 or theft of things of minor value under art 342 because I did observe servers running in an uncooled datacenter hall, an event that provides knowledge leaving me incapable of saying certainly whether the severs have any remaining value or not even if they do appear to function. 1947149;1571580292;BingoBoingo;And I emphasized the totality of events demonstrating the basement closet, as they operate it, is an unfit place to keep IT equipment. 1947150;1571580407;BingoBoingo;It isn't the one failure they want to hide behind. It is the several failures. 1947151;1571580657;BingoBoingo;Police station even had a random old man civilian chilling in the lobby 1950's style. Story is he's someone's dad, but the chitchat really helped the couple minutes of wait pass while someone of sufficient rank to take a report was found. 1947152;1571582185;BingoBoingo;Anyways, just fired off the dispatch to the derps: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=MOUg << attn mod6 asciilifeform 1947153;1571582715;BingoBoingo;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-20#1947038 << Point taken 1947154;1571582715;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-20 04:31:59 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946981 << if by contingency basis you mean, lawyer makes his end out of whatever settlement / judgement he manages, this is not what you ever want. i am aware personal injury cases in the us notoriously work in this manner -- but this is because the object of personal injury cases is the same moron that's also the object of the [http://trilema.com/2013/fried-chicke 1947155;1571582814;BingoBoingo;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-20#1947043 << She is amenable to having her life uprooted. The next few days/weeks are going to determine how I feel about Uruguay in the mid term, which is less important than whether or not a datacenter is found that bites on my pitch for a technician gig. 1947156;1571582814;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-20 04:36:31 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946982 << you know, as a general point and not necessarily presented as a consideration here -- uprooting her life is the pons asinorum for whoredom in females. if she's not willing to leave everything behind and follow, naked to the ends of the world, [http://trilema.com/2019/the-slut-and-the-whore/][she's a mommy] not a whore. 1947157;1571584205;BingoBoingo;The prospect actually excites her. But when the time to actually do it comes, we'll see. 1947158;1571585081;BingoBoingo;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946864 << asciilifeform: Before I delay on this any further, how about 25% of shared revenue to me. You commit implement my account setup recipe as a bash script. You commit to a timeline for producing a mechanical contact churner. You make yourself available to do shared setups when I am not available so I do things like take the occasional weekend off to go to the woods. You produce a 1947159;1571585081;BingoBoingo;press of current mp-wp for comparison to the one I produce and commit to offering it for download on the main site for your venture in at from at least one page describing the shared hosting offering. 1947160;1571585081;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-19 12:33:34 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you could actually get 100% of the shared hosting revenues -- in exch for colo rate for the req'd machine, if you like. ( asciilifeform still baking the entire thing, as specced by mp_en_viaje , doing a 'measure 7 time, cut 1nce' but no one will be invoiced for anyffin until passes criticism. ) 1947161;1571585092;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I want you to get most of the shared hosting gravy and I propose the incentives bring your superior tech talents to target gathering the gravy. Whether you go to a full cabinet quickly or not, I would like to see you explore getting the 1 G pipe sooner rather than later if the current intro pipe performs. 1947162;1571585908;*;asciilifeform ate log. will skip the flamebaits, but answer pressing q's, hands still quite full. 1947163;1571585999;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i expect i'll get full tower sooner rather than later, it's still ridic. cheap for what it is. started with half strictly because unsure re who/how many will dare to live there, and asciilifeform needs rack space for self regardless. 1947164;1571586012;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: congrats on getting that rubber stamp btw. 1947165;1571586068;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: proprietor informed that upgrade of tower is logistically painless, simply will give key to the upper half. 1947166;1571586191;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-20#1947087 << loox proper to asciilifeform ; but before sending, let mp weigh in 1947167;1571586191;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-20 11:40:04 BingoBoingo: Anyways, just fired off the dispatch to the derps: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=MOUg << attn mod6 asciilifeform 1947168;1571586200;asciilifeform;oh nm, sent already 1947169;1571586219;*;asciilifeform goes for 2nd pass of log, and tea 1947170;1571586297;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-20#1947093 << BingoBoingo , iirc i already said, this is strictly l1/l2 setup. (and i'm in favour of mp's 'give noobs phree year' ftr. but they gotta get in wot.) 1947171;1571586297;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-20 12:28:19 BingoBoingo: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946864 << asciilifeform: Before I delay on this any further, how about 25% of shared revenue to me. You commit implement my account setup recipe as a bash script. You commit to a timeline for producing a mechanical contact churner. You make yourself available to do shared setups when I am not available so I do things like take the occasional weekend off to go to th 1947172;1571586528;*;asciilifeform to genuine tea, brb 1947173;1571588043;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I understand the gotta get in the WoT aspect. There's also the gotta expand the WoT aspect as well. 1947174;1571589989;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: so far asciilifeform is a certified f-grade dunce at 'expand wot', repeatedly sent back to kindergarten. still it gotta be expanded. 1947175;1571590056;asciilifeform;( are any of asciilifeform's prev. wot inductees still alive ? looking at notes, seems they all flunked. e.g. laddel. ) 1947176;1571590159;asciilifeform;( before [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946723][this] slips into the sands -- is pretty interesting... the 2 fellas broke off entirely ? ) 1947177;1571590159;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-19 01:49:27 deedbot: trinque unrated ben_vulpes. 1947178;1571590203;BingoBoingo;Still this is going to be the step requiring action. If you can put something like the fetlife crawler together, I am willing to help with the payload, and I suspect other folks are as well. 1947179;1571590416;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: imho this oughta be done -- but ~after~ the subset of l1 that wants in, is properly serviced and housed; and then i get that Gb/s pipe. 1947180;1571590481;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: ftr asciilifeform's next agenda item, after cost sheet , is to put the logger back into service. 'ddos magnet', get some genuine picture of what this pipe can stand. 1947181;1571590482;BingoBoingo;Well, kind why I want a timeline. Even if you put its operation X months out, I want to see it in the plan. 1947182;1571590539;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i'ma publish plans and put to criticism. ( also have buncha photographies in queue for likbez promised to diana_coman , 'how to rack' . ) 1947183;1571590557;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: ty 1947184;1571590634;asciilifeform;btw likbez note for other rack people -- it is ~very~ difficult to rack anyffin large/hefty w/out 2 pairs of hands. 1947185;1571590677;asciilifeform;even w/ that forklift they had, it dun actually make so much diff 1947186;1571590688;BingoBoingo;I was about to ask... 1947187;1571590781;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i ended up using the lift as a lappy table, and instead gurl as extra hands, worked 9000x better than 'alone + lift' 1947188;1571590829;*;BingoBoingo did read, reread, cut, and reread dispatch to derps before sending. At this point though it seems everything to be said has been said. Maximum pressure to derps, a case where the initiative is already in hand to the lawyer folk. 1947189;1571590865;trinque;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-20#1947111 << not at all. I like the fellow very much. 1947190;1571590866;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-20 13:52:57 asciilifeform: ( before [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946723][this] slips into the sands -- is pretty interesting... the 2 fellas broke off entirely ? ) 1947191;1571590899;trinque;I am however going forward with a strict interpretation of my ratings as my routing table, and fella doesn't want to engage himself in the republic. I'm just reflecting that fact. 1947192;1571590930;trinque;flipping it around, otherwise I'm saying "go see this fella about republican matters" and then ??? 1947193;1571590941;*;asciilifeform respects trinque's 'my, fuck y'all, wot' . 1947194;1571590982;trinque;or take asciilifeform. I respect him greatly, but I understand him zilch. maybe later that changes, but for now, honesty uber alles 1947195;1571591004;asciilifeform;trinque: this is exactly per wot usermanual, i've no disagreement . 1947196;1571591086;BingoBoingo;trinque: This is understandable, and seems a very meausured application of WoT. My outgoing ratings are probably overdue for another read and revision soon. 1947197;1571591190;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: re meatspace propagandism -- my 1st 'victim', sales critter, skipped out on 'date'. i'ma retry w/ his younger assistant, he seemed quasi-enlightened 1947198;1571591450;BingoBoingo;Well you can only hook the fish that bite. 1947199;1571591524;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: maybe it is brazen of asciilifeform , who caught 0 edible 'fish', to start w/ giants of the ocean depths, but i really want'em in. even 1. 1947200;1571591539;BingoBoingo;Even if you are engaged in Missouri style "noodling" where you shove your hand in the fish's mouth until it is sufficiently subdued to become filets. 1947201;1571591593;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: didja at any point try to induct the less-retarded latech folx (who nao gone) ? 1947202;1571591742;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-20#1947073 << i cannot resist to ask : hungarian kbd lacks space bar ? or they missed out on that great 12th c. invention, the whitespace ? how did this happen, mp_en_viaje ? 1947203;1571591743;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-20 07:38:57 feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/liget-jo-legosszetettebbszohosszusagvilagrekorddonteskenyszerneurozistunetegyuttesmegnyilvanulasfejleszthetosegvizsgalataitokrol/ << Trilema -- Liget, j ? Legsszetettebbszhosszsgvilgrekorddntsknyszerneurzistnetegyttesmegnyilvnulsfejleszthetsgvizsglataitokrl! 1947204;1571591753;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I got interest but not commitment. Your visit and the alien qualities that made hardware desirable or useless to us got some interest. In retrospect it seems to have never escaped the chitchat loop which is a stong insulating force among the locals. 1947205;1571591794;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: american folx get so readily wedged in 'chitchat loop' , it boggles the mind. 1947206;1571591811;asciilifeform;'tell me again about the waters of your home world!'(tm)(r)(f. herbert) 1947207;1571591919;BingoBoingo;Folks from Venezuela seem capable of breaking out momentarily and digesting that socialism wrecks everywhere, simply at different speeds as places fall from different heights. 1947208;1571591944;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 1 other find : the dc has, apparently , a scrap/graveyard. which consists mostly of... working irons. and apparently they've no ready buyers for it, nor stoop to using by own self. i'ma discuss it at the next meat session. 1947209;1571591975;BingoBoingo;Bicycle guy suggested I "Just go home", Explained the US isn't any better. It just sparkles more as it falls. 1947210;1571592064;asciilifeform;'how coudlja not want to return to holy miamistan!' ? 1947211;1571592070;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: With the scrapyard thing you probably want to have the list of what in particular interests you, lest you end up receiving constant junk offers. 1947212;1571592114;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 'junk offers' is least on list of prospective headaches. 1947213;1571592116;asciilifeform;let'em offer. 1947214;1571592183;BingoBoingo;Well, maybe one of the uncommon last print DEC Alphas is in the pile. 1947215;1571592215;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i did not get chance to study the pile in detail, but it was of quite respectable size, easily coupla tonnes. 1947216;1571592315;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i dun see wai they wouldn't let it go if i were to offer moar than the gold extractors pay; but this is presently in back of queue . 1947217;1571592370;BingoBoingo;In the US, my suspicion is that if they don't want to part with them it is for accounting/tax reasons. 1947218;1571592377;asciilifeform;will find out. 1947219;1571592386;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: oddly i dun recall seeing anyffin similar at latech. 1947220;1571592447;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: They apparently had some machines trapped in the Freezone regime operation. Impossible to extract without customs wank. 1947221;1571592489;mp_en_viaje;oh god. 1947222;1571592490;BingoBoingo;Because the space inside the freezone wank regime is at the same time Uruguay and not Uruguay. 1947223;1571592498;mp_en_viaje;what a great relaxing day, i'm fucking exhausted. 1947224;1571592510;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: Very good to hear 1947225;1571592522;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: prague ? 1947226;1571592531;mp_en_viaje;not yet 1947227;1571592673;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: a++ camera btw. imho considerably + vs prev. 1947228;1571592716;mp_en_viaje;yeh, i agree. they retail for ~same 500 bux, but i'd say this is 2x the other 1947229;1571592729;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: what does it weigh ? 1947230;1571592736;mp_en_viaje;exactly same, within 1% 1947231;1571592752;mp_en_viaje;pretty much same chassis, same battery/sd card assemblage, altogether very similar object 1947232;1571592766;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i got last yr the (also sony, i like'em) 'a6000', but it aint quite pocket-sized 1947233;1571592797;mp_en_viaje;smaller sensor therefore more optics is the tradeoff (elementarily if your final image is 50 rather than 100 m2, then in the same m3 volume you can fit ~1.5x the lenses) 1947234;1571592822;mp_en_viaje;i suspect the ultimate driver being that this smaller sensor is actually way the fuck denser than the other larger. 1947235;1571592839;mp_en_viaje;they figured out how to layer the photodiodes by frequency or some shit, nfi, but it works evidently. 1947236;1571592842;asciilifeform;( 'a6000' in fact goes in adult pocket if one unscrews the lens, but it's headache . the plus is that can use adult lenses. ) 1947237;1571592888;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, i dunno that web publishing drinks even 33% of the well of compacts. to go dslr... well... so you get an image 3x as good say, which once scaled for web becomes... same thing. 1947238;1571592898;mp_en_viaje;if i dtpd or something, if trilema was an old school paper mag... 1947239;1571592930;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i usually put out 640x480, lolyes. but find it useful to have from what to cut, hence moar pixels aint necessarily imho a waste. 1947240;1571592965;mp_en_viaje;i am using atm a 1024px format which is autoscaled for 560 wide inline ; but i suspect people like to be able to click the inlines for 4x size 1947241;1571592993;mp_en_viaje;another nice thing is that ye olde rx was really 16:9 ; now we're back to 4:3, which imo a gain. 1947242;1571593004;*;asciilifeform often looks at mp_en_viaje's fullsize photos, read restaurant menus etc 1947243;1571593099;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-20#1947092 << word. 1947244;1571593099;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-20 12:13:44 BingoBoingo: The prospect actually excites her. But when the time to actually do it comes, we'll see. 1947245;1571593159;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, for me, personally, the ubiquity and accessibility of the item are 99% of its utility. if it were even slightly bulkier i'd prolly opt out of 50% or more of the pics i take. 1947246;1571593183;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: you're entirely right : i find myself still using the old soapbox to this day 1947247;1571593189;mp_en_viaje;before had actually half-weight, 70% volume even tinier thing. fit in a trained asshole. 1947248;1571593200;asciilifeform;the '6000' mostly lives in its tripod, in torture room, sadly. 1947249;1571593235;mp_en_viaje;only reason i finally broke down and got a tripod was that it was cheap, and i already have a pile of car platform machinery, so what's it hurt. 1947250;1571593244;mp_en_viaje;curious how long till i actually use it. 1947251;1571593270;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: ever try using that riding crop as monopod ? 1947252;1571593282;mp_en_viaje;um... how ?! 1947253;1571593316;asciilifeform;they sell clamp thing that goes around arbitrary stick. 1947254;1571593326;mp_en_viaje;but i mean, it's a crop. it's flexible. 1947255;1571593331;asciilifeform;oh hm. 1947256;1571593335;*;asciilifeform did not know this. 1947257;1571593338;asciilifeform;then nm. 1947258;1571593564;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-20#1947134 << not brazen. 1947259;1571593565;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-20 14:15:43 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: maybe it is brazen of asciilifeform , who caught 0 edible 'fish', to start w/ giants of the ocean depths, but i really want'em in. even 1. 1947260;1571593583;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-20#1947137 << agglutinative language ; this is what you get. 1947261;1571593584;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-20 14:19:21 asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-20#1947073 << i cannot resist to ask : hungarian kbd lacks space bar ? or they missed out on that great 12th c. invention, the whitespace ? how did this happen, mp_en_viaje ? 1947262;1571593586;asciilifeform;unrelated q for iptronix gurus : wai does traceroute to diana_coman's www , show a long-dead rubbish domain on last hop ? ( netsideproductions.com ) ? is this config issue somewhere ? (afaik harmless, but i'd like to know why it happens) 1947263;1571593632;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, there's no relation between machine names (what you see in traceroute) and websites as such. 1947264;1571593648;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: right, but seems like there's an ancient never-flushed cache somewhere ? 1947265;1571593670;mp_en_viaje;people ~never change the machine names ; websites come and go. so i'd say 1/3 to 1/2 of the internet's like that. 1947266;1571593676;asciilifeform;[http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=LaP3][item.] (from asciilifeform's desk) 1947267;1571593829;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: re agglutinatives -- turks, jp, also, but they have human-sized words.. 1947268;1571593841;mp_en_viaje;yeswell 1947269;1571593865;mp_en_viaje;all words are human sized 1947270;1571593872;mp_en_viaje;for some human sizes 1947271;1571593905;*;asciilifeform never did hungarian yet, but suspects it is pronounced jp-style, i.e. that megalith turns into what white man would think of as words. 1947272;1571593920;mp_en_viaje;as hanbot_abroad aptly put it, "these people belong with a snaggletooth and a viking helmet, holding an axe, wtf are they doing pretending to like, euro dress and shit, it's the joke of all time" 1947273;1571593954;mp_en_viaje;i truly can't imagine why fantasy writers keep "inventing" derpy orc langs and shit. could very well just use hungarian. 1947274;1571593960;asciilifeform;^ 1947275;1571593977;*;asciilifeform cannot help but respect some the hungarians, they fought like berserkers even after berlin fell 1947276;1571598336;feedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2019/10/20/how-my-blog-moved-north-to-the-usa/ << Ossa Sepia -- How My Blog Moved North (to the USA) 1947277;1571598454;*;asciilifeform grabs that pcap 1947278;1571598728;diana_coman;asciilifeform: see at the bottom some speed tests re current ossabot location too 1947279;1571598737;*;asciilifeform still reading... 1947280;1571598747;diana_coman;re pcap honestly, that's not much of an attack as far as I can tell but anyways. 1947281;1571598757;asciilifeform;diana_coman: verily 1947282;1571598766;asciilifeform;i was curious of-what it was made tho. 1947283;1571598818;diana_coman;sure + at any rate, it belongs published, why not; ftr gathering all links and everything after this time ate up quite a few hours, ugh. 1947284;1571598853;*;diana_coman eyes the pile of isp-talks-emails that will take even longer to write-up 1947285;1571598885;asciilifeform;diana_coman: before you go back to these -- is there a large file i can wget-test with from here , in ossasepia ? i'm curious re whether oceanic pipe is limit, or the speed of the rk ssd 1947286;1571598914;diana_coman;asciilifeform: larger than the 86MB I used for testing? 1947287;1571598952;asciilifeform;is this 1 publicly httpized on ossasepia.com ? 1947288;1571598966;diana_coman;asciilifeform: yep; it's http://www.ossasepia.com/available_resources/bac_data_2004-2010_summer.zip 1947289;1571598973;asciilifeform;danke schon diana_coman 1947290;1571598975;*;asciilifeform tests.. 1947291;1571598977;diana_coman;yw 1947292;1571599030;asciilifeform;2.90 MB/s from my desk. 1947293;1571599043;asciilifeform;this appears to be rate-limited by rk ssd. 1947294;1571599069;asciilifeform;i'ma put in 'apu1' w/ primo samsung msata later this wk, for logger, will make it available for similar test. 1947295;1571599149;diana_coman;asciilifeform: hm, I suppose given the sad state of arm-as-testing-ground, I should even re-think whether rk is best home for blog; though honestly for what I need it so far strictly re blog it wasn't any particular trouble otherwise 1947296;1571599185;asciilifeform;diana_coman: didja ever make a note of what sorta throughput same item had at piz ? 1947297;1571599212;diana_coman;asciilifeform: no, I didn't; (and yes, I should have written it down). 1947298;1571599240;asciilifeform;on a good day i got ~2MB/s from dulap. (peak). 1947299;1571599284;BingoBoingo;Commie scum are out on the street in force today. 1947300;1571599300;asciilifeform;i'ma carry out test where iron can be ruled out as limiting reactant, as soon as i get chance. 1947301;1571599822;asciilifeform;diana_coman: currently your box [http://www.loper-os.org/pub/colo/pilot.jpg][looks like this.] it'll be sat down on iron DIN rail w/ additional forced air when i put this in, it is still snailing its way through the mails. 1947302;1571599880;diana_coman;asciilifeform: heh, the cute&lonely rk that could! 1947303;1571599889;asciilifeform;diana_coman: the move will involve ~30 seconds of down time, we will schedule it together prior to any movement. 1947304;1571600053;asciilifeform;diana_coman: that thing is on insulator pedestal, under it is a 3mm steel sliding plinth. the temp in the dc is a comfortable ~20C when i last measured. (surprisingly, very quiet vs latech's, they have civilized freon cooling, entire back lot fulla chiller towers. and, interestingly, coupla thou. litres of genuine pre-ban halon 1301 for fire suppression.) 1947305;1571600144;diana_coman;works; for now I'd say the main focus is on that [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946476][business plan] ; fwiw I would totally pay asciilifeform for the hosting right from the start, can calc what it amounts too once the data is published and plan is made. 1947306;1571600145;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-18 13:08:52 diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: I am all for hosting it with asciilifeform but tbh I would very much want him to publish an actual business plan on his blog. 1947307;1571600158;asciilifeform;diana_coman: presently occupied with ^ . 1947308;1571600220;mp_en_viaje;trinque, so for all the discussion of the past few days, i still don't have basic answers here. can i send hour-ish small payments via deedbot now ? if not know, do i know starting when ? 1947309;1571601747;mp_en_viaje;in other news i might run the blog with the most linguistically varied spam. 30+ diff langs, i think of those i speak or visited only latin's missing. 1947310;1571601754;mp_en_viaje;i wonder if anyoen gets latin spam. 1947311;1571602058;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: if the "lorem ipsum dolor..." counts, then yes. 1947312;1571602071;mp_en_viaje;i suppose that should count huh. i got latin also ;/ 1947313;1571603924;*;BingoBoingo hasn't seen Thai language spam in quite a while 1947314;1571607717;mp_en_viaje;ลงประกาศ ลงประกาศฟรี โฆษณาฟรี โฆษณาสินค้าฟรี โฆษณาของมือสอง ประกาศขายของมือสอง ประกาศขายสินค้าฟรี บริการลงประกาศฟรี โปรโมทสินค้าฟรี คลิกที่นี่ลงประกาศ 1947315;1571607717;mp_en_viaje;ฟรี ลงโฆษณาฟรี โฆษณาสินค้าฟรี โฆษณาของมือสอง ลงประกาศขายฟรี ประกาศขายของมือสอง ประกาศขายสินค้าฟรี บริการลงประกาศฟรี โปรโมทสินค้าฟรี คลิกที่นี่ << just for you BingoBo 1947316;1571607718;mp_en_viaje;ingo 1947317;1571607761;BingoBoingo;lol 1947318;1571608815;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/in-a-dead-end-world-in-an-erthetetlen-town-west-end-girls/ << Trilema -- In a dead-end world, in an rthetetlen town... West End Girls. 1947319;1571611651;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/10/airstip-one-begins-implementing-no-deal-brexit-plans/ << Qntra -- Airstip One Begins Implementing "No Deal" Brexit Plans 1947320;1571629112;trinque;mp_en_viaje: I haven't built any hot-wallet features to date aside the stuff running deedbot's !!deed, parts of which can be repurposed for what you want. 1947321;1571629155;trinque;I'm willing to do that because mp_en_viaje is cool, even though I don't think otherwise said item will have enough throughput for a % to be worthwhile 1947322;1571629196;trinque;to make this happen, I need to replace some infrastructure I had in UY (the boxes down there weren't idle entirely) 1947323;1571629208;trinque;this will take at least a few weeks 1947324;1571629232;trinque;and yes, this means after the UY collapse !!deed does not currently work 1947325;1571629259;trinque;I've got things in motion to spin up my old dc. 1947326;1571648791;diana_coman;morning highway-mp_en_viaje 1947327;1571648806;diana_coman;!!up mp_en_viaje 1947328;1571648806;deedbot;mp_en_viaje voiced for 30 minutes. 1947329;1571648810;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-21#1947260 << alright. to catch back here, after a lengthy interval of low thoroughput resulting obviously in some desyncing : to my mind there's three items outstanding. 1947330;1571648811;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-21 00:44:41 trinque: I've got things in motion to spin up my old dc. 1947331;1571648811;mp_en_viaje;your self-interest one is the perfecting of in-channel payments, such that deedbot can be used not merely as the processor of republican record, but also as the everyday support of commerce. 1947332;1571648811;mp_en_viaje;this'll require managing small payments on an hourly rather than day+ timeframe. it was specced back in 2017 or some shit, and i deliberately did not push the issue on the expectation and implication that you're sitting there responsibly and effectually, like a lord, 1947333;1571648811;mp_en_viaje;not angstily and spinningly like a spinstress, thus therefore progressing daily towards a goal, rather than wasting time "[http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2017-04-07#1640167][being worried]" or whatever the hell. 1947334;1571648811;ossabot;Logged on 2017-04-07 14:24:31 mircea_popescu: no, let's also de-equivocate think. there's two kinds of think, one's a forge/reflow/examination of trees resulting in analytical consumption of inputs with actionable outputs guaranteed ; the other is a neurotic behaviour perhaps best described as spinning, whereby specific emotional triggers / detriggers are visited in succession. the prussian model was never concerned with the former in any sense, but merely 1947335;1571648813;mp_en_viaje;there's an important difference here : that deedbot is the payment processor of record is a ~priviledge~ i grant you, precisely in the manner and of the nature of my saying you now own county devon. 1947336;1571648816;mp_en_viaje;whether you manage to produce five billion pounds of silver by running county devon or five hundred pounds of debt is a reflection on you, not on the county devon. how great a lord you are entirely rests on what great things you can accomplish on how little in granted priviledges -- and this for the very simple and utterly unmissable reason that another lord Devon there will be ; but another county Devon never, and therefore 1947337;1571649119;mp_en_viaje;any mismatch will have to be fixed on the fixable side. see ? 1947338;1571649119;mp_en_viaje;so as the matter stands, you're currently eating the priviledge to no great productivity, and not doing your own interest, which is in itself ludicrous. hate the other folk doing exactly the same as much as you want -- nobody hates anybody ever but for the reflection of himself he perceives in them. 1947339;1571649119;mp_en_viaje;the second, which is the hanging matter, is that i meanwhile specced a new functioning of ratings and voicing, the to-spec execution of which being the very bedrock upon which deedbot payments even work. come april or whatever, i'm not about to do the old style lordship ratings, 1947340;1571649120;mp_en_viaje;meaning that i'll be confronted with a very http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-08-02#1926167 situation in six months' time, something that's evident to ~anyone paying any attention at all, and so liable to eschew mention. 1947341;1571649120;ossabot;Logged on 2019-08-02 02:14:00 mp_en_viaje: o look at that, phf logger also quit sometime last night. hey! 1947342;1571649124;mp_en_viaje;i'm mentioning it specifically because hey, why not, but normally wouldn't have, again on the expectation that "his lordship" is not hollow pretense, but actual and factual description. this is what it describes : a man who needn't be told the obvious. naught else, it's all it is. 1947343;1571649129;mp_en_viaje;finally, the third, which is the small matter, is that currently attempting to paste things back and forth is being disrupted by [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946284][arbitrary nonsense]. i'd very much like (not so much for myself, heh, but for the glory and heathen-perceived might of this our here republic) to be able to get strip club footage via a transparently logged process showcasing the great practical 1947344;1571649129;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-18 10:25:23 diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: should I set her up with a ftp account on logs.ossasepia.com? 1947345;1571649133;mp_en_viaje;value and utility of gpg ; but we've currently missed out on capitalizing on that particular one opportunity -- which opportunity, again, [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946645][costs money], and which opportunity, evidently, can't actually even remotely be replicated by anyone else -- because hurr durr, something's saved by capping pastes at XXX rather than YYYY. help me out here, what's the cost versus whats t 1947346;1571649134;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-18 17:20:58 mp_en_viaje: i have been keeping a (quite public, at that) log of a wide reaching "where is it not raining" research project. expensive enough, too, i've been burning 4 figures/day, every day, since ~april. not that the point is how to make it cheapest or anything 1947347;1571649138;mp_en_viaje;he benefit of me, you or anyone else being able to show some self-important rando that logpoint years hence ? 1947348;1571649141;mp_en_viaje;that'd be where we stand, now i want to hear sense from you back. 1947349;1571649155;mp_en_viaje;and holy shit crappy internet's annoying. bbl, checking the logs, whether my say got reflected now, fucking timewaste 1947350;1571649581;mp_en_viaje;aite, that's checked and a-ok. 1947351;1571649599;mp_en_viaje;the experience of travel certainly informs how a better ircd would work, i can say that much. 1947352;1571649627;mp_en_viaje;it's evident the orig item was designed by pantsuits, 0 respect for the importance of the connection baked in everywhere. 1947353;1571649655;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: 0 notion of that I would say, what respect 1947354;1571649660;mp_en_viaje;ircd exists not as much as support for great mighty lords and their sayings ; but as the central star of individually worthless masses of zeks 1947355;1571649687;diana_coman;that brings to mind those trivia irc -chans, lolz. 1947356;1571649690;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, myeah. it's funny how universal, and how hard-core, if "subtle" the political choices one makes shape the output. 1947357;1571649728;mp_en_viaje;the belief that individuals are entirely devoid of value or importance, mere interchangeable pieces "for a greater goal", ie nude and rude fascist socialism, is all over ircd. 1947358;1571649788;diana_coman;in fairness, most encountered, are exactly that; and I suspect that's where/how it even happens. 1947359;1571649977;mp_en_viaje;prolly. 1947360;1571649991;mp_en_viaje;buncha cosmic ray emulators. 1947361;1571650345;mp_en_viaje;(incidentally, the historical dukes of devon were the cavendish family, with salisbury an' derby together the main three) 1947362;1571651116;diana_coman;I read salisbury and derpy :D 1947363;1571652263;mp_en_viaje;lol 1947364;1571656793;feedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2019/10/21/and-i-wont-save-you-from-the-rats/ << Ossa Sepia -- And I Won't Save You from the Rats 1947365;1571666197;BingoBoingo;And this morning I have emails from Oscar (NOT Maxi) asking pretty please, when do I plan to come pick up my stuff. 1947366;1571669703;BingoBoingo;Anyways this DKIM anti-spam thing that never worked as anti-spam apparently is actually useful for asserting "Yes, this email really did come outta your server" 1947367;1571670597;mod6;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-20#1947033 << Ah, yes Sir. This seems correct by looking at the latest Piz Liabilities table. 1947368;1571670598;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-20 04:26:22 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946968 << for some reason i thought the foundation had equity. 1947369;1571670797;trinque;mp_en_viaje: bumped the max upload to 40M for ya. on the other two points, I said I'd do these, but I'm also being plain about my intent to run castle trinque as a net-positive entity. I'll figure that part out myself. 1947370;1571670853;trinque;I thought it unwise to have torched 4-5k following piz, to say nothing on this and move forward smiling. 1947371;1571670884;trinque;torching 4-5k here and there for honor is a great way for a man who just stepped into capital to promptly step back out. 1947372;1571670964;trinque;on that subj, if there's someone interested in paid work on deedbot, see me! I'm not very good at growing arms. 1947373;1571671510;BingoBoingo;trinque: Deedbot's a lisp thing right? I suspect spyked may be a capable pair of hands for the task if he is available. 1947374;1571671735;trinque;correct 1947375;1571671894;BingoBoingo;trinque: And thank you for pushing me into activity on the matter of applying maximum pressure. 1947376;1571671963;trinque;get 'em! 1947377;1571671965;trinque;bbl 1947378;1571673872;feedbot;http://thetarpit.org/2019/the-tar-pit-mp-wp-theme << The Tar Pit -- The Tar Pit MP-WP theme 1947379;1571675100;*;asciilifeform meanwhile cooked up the spreadshits ; tonight after salt mine will write article re costs. 1947380;1571675185;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-21#1947300 << BingoBoingo was that an unconditional capitulation?! or attempt at himmler-style 'separate peace' ? plox to fill in. 1947381;1571675185;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-21 11:00:22 BingoBoingo: And this morning I have emails from Oscar (NOT Maxi) asking pretty please, when do I plan to come pick up my stuff. 1947382;1571675301;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/10/china-condemns-foreign-backed-color-revolutions-around-the-world/ << Qntra -- China Condemns "Foreign" Backed "Color Revolutions" Around The World 1947383;1571675365;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-21#1947275 << [http://trilema.com/2019/trilema-goes-dark/#comment-130688][see also.] 1947384;1571675365;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-21 06:15:43 mp_en_viaje: meaning that i'll be confronted with a very http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-08-02#1926167 situation in six months' time, something that's evident to ~anyone paying any attention at all, and so liable to eschew mention. 1947385;1571675608;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-21#1947289 << irc protocol is dried chewing gum, imho difficult to make case that it 'was designed for' anyffin at all. 1947386;1571675609;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-21 06:24:43 mp_en_viaje: ircd exists not as much as support for great mighty lords and their sayings ; but as the central star of individually worthless masses of zeks 1947387;1571675989;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It is their addressing the potential criminal complaint in the police report. 1947388;1571676025;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: lol, maybe 1% of it ( what was left trapped in that chest ? coupla rk ? ) 1947389;1571676044;BingoBoingo;I suspect Maxi boy is under strict orders not to contact me further in light of the liability he constantly generates, provided he is still employed by Latecho. 1947390;1571676058;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Switches, rails, rockchips, and oh so many cables. 1947391;1571676097;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: ianal -- but seems like admission of invalidity of contract. if they intend to persist in the claim to the oct-feb moneys, would then logically continue to sit on the irons, neh 1947392;1571676170;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I replied that I will set up a retrieval appointment at a later date when the chance of rain is low to non-existent, and that the noc@ email address they want me to coordinate through rejects my messages as spam. I attached the rejection email as a .txt with full headers. 1947393;1571676219;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: since you have a printer, may be worth sending same to their snail addr. notarized. 1947394;1571676229;asciilifeform;then cannot make excuse 'oh, spamfilter ate.' 1947395;1571676231;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Well meeting with lawyers later. 1947396;1571676247;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The last email sent to the noc@ address was October 5th 1947397;1571676251;asciilifeform;a. 1947398;1571676269;BingoBoingo;And the rejection was specific to the noc@ address 1947399;1571676282;mod6;Thanks for the update BB. 1947400;1571676321;BingoBoingo;Maximum pressure to Latecho. Minimumal punch list for the lawyers. 1947401;1571676418;BingoBoingo;I do know going in, that with the big pile of emails in English... if this goes to court licensed translator or translators will have to bill for the translation. 1947402;1571676476;BingoBoingo;Thanks to the DNC email server thing in 2016, that DKIM establishes non-repudiation is fairly common knowledge 1947403;1571676536;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: wai would that necessarily hold in orcistans ? 1947404;1571676537;mod6;Take good notes, get the billable hourly rate from each prospective lawyer. Thx. 1947405;1571676579;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It's headline news about a property of email protocols. 1947406;1571676601;BingoBoingo;mod6: Well, I am going to be bringing good notes. 1947407;1571676651;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: US precedent doesn't apply here. In Roman law however facts are very important. 1947408;1571676686;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: (again ianal) but afaik 'facts' are what the local apparatus decides were facts, an' not otherwise 1947409;1571676713;BingoBoingo;In jurisprudence here, the courts investigate the facts and apply them to cookie cutter of the legal code. 1947410;1571676733;*;asciilifeform pictures orc judge trying to unravel dkim etc hairball 1947411;1571676749;BingoBoingo;That's what lawyers are for if it gets that far. 1947412;1571676777;BingoBoingo;The skilled work of presenting facts in a way judges are capable of digesting. 1947413;1571676785;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: if this were in usa, would already smell of 6fig of 'expert witness' bill, that 1947414;1571676829;BingoBoingo;This is not the US. 1947415;1571676861;asciilifeform;tru. 1947416;1571676878;*;BingoBoingo brb, picking up business cards and other pre-meetings prep work. 1947417;1571677068;*;BingoBoingo suspects if anything invitation to datacenter was bait for premature enforcement of contract suit service. 1947418;1571677256;BingoBoingo;For the curious the filter I am applying to actions and timing at the moment is the idea of "tiempo" from chess. At the moment I have it an advantage of at least one in hand, and will not cede it for free. 1947419;1571677771;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 'sente' among 'go' players. 1947420;1571688612;mp_en_viaje;howdy 1947421;1571688657;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-21#1947300 << so set a date this week, and send your liason at the police preceinct news that they contacted you and thanks. 1947422;1571688658;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-21 11:00:22 BingoBoingo: And this morning I have emails from Oscar (NOT Maxi) asking pretty please, when do I plan to come pick up my stuff. 1947423;1571688715;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-21#1947304 << tyvm ; and definitely. i would love nothing more than for model castle to pop up, net-positive and everything. so i'll do all possible to help you out there. 1947424;1571688715;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-21 12:17:01 trinque: mp_en_viaje: bumped the max upload to 40M for ya. on the other two points, I said I'd do these, but I'm also being plain about my intent to run castle trinque as a net-positive entity. I'll figure that part out myself. 1947425;1571688895;mp_en_viaje;easily the worst part of my example is the "und die hundert millionen in meinem schatz" / "money is no object" "battleship mp" part. 1947426;1571688910;mp_en_viaje;self-sufficiency always beats out great wealth on the long term. 1947427;1571688994;mp_en_viaje;or, to quote the lulziest group in all england, "When I first came here, this was all swamp. Everyone said I was daft to build a castle on a swamp, but I built in all the same, just to show them. It sank into the swamp. So I built a second one. And that one sank into the swamp. So I built a third. That burned down, fell over, and then sank into the swamp. But the fourth one stayed up. And that’s what you’re going to get, Son, the strongest cas 1947428;1571688994;mp_en_viaje;tle in all of England." 1947429;1571689102;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-21#1947305 << absolutely. 1947430;1571689102;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-21 12:17:58 trinque: I thought it unwise to have torched 4-5k following piz, to say nothing on this and move forward smiling. 1947431;1571689135;mp_en_viaje;waste is universally a bad idea. 1947432;1571689150;*;asciilifeform polishing off the scientific cost analysis piece, but grr prolly wont finish until after mp_en_viaje asleep... 1947433;1571689161;mp_en_viaje;i don't sleep. 1947434;1571689162;mp_en_viaje;i wait. 1947435;1571689164;asciilifeform;a++ 1947436;1571694521;feedbot;http://bvt-trace.net/2019/10/fg-fed-linux-rng/ << bvt's backtrace -- FG-fed Linux RNG 1947437;1571696299;*;BingoBoingo back from lawyer meeting #1 1947438;1571696312;BingoBoingo;Productive, going to blog notes. 1947439;1571696479;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: Will set that pick up date and thank the local cops. 1947440;1571696504;BingoBoingo;Apparently telegrams are a thing here, and sending one is the next step. 1947441;1571696631;BingoBoingo;What happens after that depends on how good Latecho is at math given all of the correspendence between myself and latecho is in English. 1947442;1571703346;*;asciilifeform writin' wwwistic calculator to go w/ the cost article. 1947443;1571704584;BingoBoingo;Welcome back billymg, your datas are ready. 1947444;1571707183;billymg;hey BingoBoingo, tyvm 1947445;1571707211;billymg;sorry about the join/part, bit of bouncer issues 1947446;1571707251;billymg;just got back from cr, am now land owner 1947447;1571707270;BingoBoingo;Congrats 1947448;1571707311;billymg;thanks, it was quite a process, but glad now that it's done 1947449;1571707311;BingoBoingo;Plantation? Game reserve? Hobby farm? 1947450;1571707417;billymg;yeah, ranch, not too far from the beach. multiple structures so there are rental / bnb opportunities 1947451;1571707471;billymg;very nice safe house overall 1947452;1571707530;BingoBoingo;Is it a working ranch with livestock or gotta bring your own? 1947453;1571707617;billymg;some existing cows that belong to the groundskeeper, a native tico who's been on the property for even longer than the previous owner 1947454;1571707687;billymg;the previous owners ran it as a bnb, have some existing relationships that carry over as well (outside any platform sites) 1947455;1571707724;billymg;plus some long term renters (expats) in one of the houses 1947456;1571708177;billymg;i took some photos on this trip as well, plan to do a post about the experience (once i get my blog back up) 1947457;1571708352;billymg;speaking of, BingoBoingo, asciilifeform, it sounded like there was an option for some interim shared hosting. i would be interested in that if available. then when i'm on the ground i will look around for a local DC 1947458;1571708535;BingoBoingo;billymg: Sure thing. Just please see http://bingology.net/2019/10/16/reasonable-lamp-setup-for-mp-wp-on-centos-6-and-anyserver-terms-of-use/ 1947459;1571708553;BingoBoingo;The interim server is only supporting www, no bouncers. 1947460;1571708578;asciilifeform;billymg: i've a rack, and about to post very pedantic analysis. so i dun need temp host, but ty. 1947461;1571708579;BingoBoingo;Don't plan to run it as interim hosting more than 3 months, etc 1947462;1571708850;*;asciilifeform finally, posted draft. 1947463;1571709043;feedbot;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3486 << Loper OS -- TMSR North Ameristan Rack Prospectus: Initial Draft. 1947464;1571709067;asciilifeform;^ mp_en_viaje , diana_coman , & all other panzers, achtung! 1947465;1571709129;*;asciilifeform goes to fix the inescapable typos 1947466;1571709267;asciilifeform;^ a mechanized price estimator is included . 1947467;1571709704;asciilifeform;all prospective inhabitants , invited to comment. 1947468;1571709772;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i omitted discussion of shared hosting strictly because the provisions do not yet exist. but it should be simple to compute the cost of emplacing the necessary machine, via this draft. 1947469;1571709938;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: With that margin, you certainly are going to want to sell the shit of of shared for some gravy. 1947470;1571710012;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: certainly. 1947471;1571710058;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i'ma stfu tho until mp has chance to comment, it seems likely that i made a coarse error of pilotage somewhere. 1947472;1571710076;asciilifeform;( the #s -- correct; but re the logic. ) 1947473;1571710131;billymg;asciilifeform: np, ty 1947474;1571710176;billymg;BingoBoingo: space on anyserver would be much appreciated, and the terms seem fine 1947475;1571710195;*;BingoBoingo returns to typing up meeting notes. 1947476;1571710206;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: my intention is to fully supply the needs of l1, in a sustainable scheme, prior to any mega-expansions. 1947477;1571710217;BingoBoingo;billymg: Did you successfully ssh in yet? 1947478;1571710235;asciilifeform;(because of the very aggressively low price of the upsteam, this is imho practical.) 1947479;1571710237;billymg;yup, grabbed my backups, tyvm 1947480;1571710311;BingoBoingo;billymg: Just going to run an mp-wp site? 1947481;1571710339;billymg;yes, i'll sadly stick to this lulazon box for my bouncer until i get something else figured out 1947482;1571710347;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: my other intention is to demonstrate that i can actually run a satisfactory ( to the standard of mp & co ) rack. 1947483;1571710361;billymg;anyserver would be only for billymg.com and nothing else 1947484;1571710402;BingoBoingo;billymg: upload your site's files an a .sql dump. Once that's done ping me and I'll breath life into it. Probably tomorrow. 1947485;1571710433;billymg;excellent! will do 1947486;1571710668;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it is interesting that you think the margin is small. i was thinking it is rather fascist. 1947487;1571710707;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I do suspect you gravely underpriced the Rockchips for their share of the pipe if nothing else. At just under 9 USD, that's probably going to make any shared price point impossible. 1947488;1571710726;asciilifeform;( earlier was wondering, how the moldavian d00d charges 35eu per 1u. but [http://ossasepia.com/2019/10/20/how-my-blog-moved-north-to-the-usa/][ diana_coman's bandwidth tests ] seem to suggest the answer. 1947489;1571710728;asciilifeform;) 1947490;1571710766;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: shares-of-pipe are to be handled as described under 'physical space & energy' # III . 1947491;1571710852;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i did not want to start right off the bat w/ explicit pipe rationing, because it in itself imposes some loss of total capacity. but the provisions for rationing are in place. 1947492;1571710918;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: as for rk vs shared hosting, i actually prefer that folx live in rk, it is considerably easier to administer , each user gets actual physical machine where can do as he pleases. 1947493;1571710944;asciilifeform;incl. 'bouncers', i want that 'ddos proof' claim tested sooner rather than later. 1947494;1571710987;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: for l2 n00bs can do shared hosting , per '1y phree' scheme suggested earlier by mp. 1947495;1571710999;asciilifeform;so we'll defo want the provisions for it. 1947496;1571711055;*;asciilifeform spent 4d nao thinking about 'how to price', 'what to price', and head hurts. 1947497;1571711070;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The actual physical machine aspect and the potential frustrations involved in the detailed fingerwork of handling RK drives and cables, suggests a price floor may be in order. 1947498;1571711097;BingoBoingo;But the shared machine will have an advantage for hosting www in that www benefits from having all the ram possible 1947499;1571711104;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i think you know, i had rk provisioning ~100% automated. 1947500;1571711129;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: this is so. the current standard rk contains 2GB ram. 1947501;1571711177;asciilifeform;a 256G 'dulap' potentially could house ~128 users at similar ram apportionment (but only 8 if each were to be allotted 4 cores as present in rk.) 1947502;1571711188;BingoBoingo;Even with the lessons learned. Drives die, etc. 3 year depreciation may make sense for a dulap, but on a rockchip even with forced air...We had a Rockchip die 1947503;1571711204;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: indeed we did 1947504;1571711211;asciilifeform;hence 'this document aint final' 1947505;1571711227;asciilifeform;i expect mp will have other, harsher crit, also. 1947506;1571711275;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: observe that i allotted 50/mo of catch-all overhead. this i expect will mostly go to maintenance of rk plant. 1947507;1571711304;asciilifeform;and the purchase of spares. 1947508;1571711479;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i'd like to keep prices 'as low as possible, but not lower'. heathendom offers much lower, theoretically, prices, than what is seen in this prospectus . and not erryone agrees ' asciilifeform's hands worth added 50/mo ', so keeping the greed to a min. 1947509;1571711614;BingoBoingo;Is there anywhere leasing singleboard arms, hosted for under 10 USD monthly? 1947510;1571711640;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: funnily enuff the upstream provider colos (not leases) 'raspberries' for 10. 1947511;1571711649;asciilifeform;i dun like 'raspberries' tho. 1947512;1571711695;BingoBoingo;raspberries are a lower end product 1947513;1571711707;asciilifeform;they also dun specify what happens when ssd croaks etc 1947514;1571711720;asciilifeform;'toy' market. 1947515;1571711741;*;asciilifeform has no intention of attempting gentoo port to 'raspberry' or any other 'boot blobs'-laden arm machine 1947516;1571711783;asciilifeform;asciilifeform-rk hosting is a 'turn-key' product, incl. gentooism, maintenance, debuggery as-req'd, etc 1947517;1571712096;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: re 'fingerwork' -- i've dismounted the rk's for the 1u earlier built for transport to piz , and they will live in a 'DIN' 2u subrack. so no moar finger gymnastics. 1947518;1571712120;asciilifeform;each will sit on individual rail clamp. 1947519;1571712155;asciilifeform;( full disclosure : [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-20#1947236][this is not installed just yet] ) 1947520;1571712156;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-20 16:34:01 asciilifeform: diana_coman: currently your box [http://www.loper-os.org/pub/colo/pilot.jpg][looks like this.] it'll be sat down on iron DIN rail w/ additional forced air when i put this in, it is still snailing its way through the mails. 1947521;1571712171;*;asciilifeform puts down the microphone, and goes to meat. bbl. 1947522;1571712887;mp_en_viaje;dawg what a productive monday everyone's been having 1947523;1571713066;mp_en_viaje;in other news, czechs have this "rebel" tv station. lotta pantera / ancient metal , modern sad lulz both local and int'l, and all sorta pink flamingo-likes. 1947524;1571713141;mp_en_viaje;the lulziest wanna-be punk bullshit, filmed out of a $200 potato by a few retards / "custodians" / graveyard shit workers still beats the shit out of the overproduced wanna-be pop of the usgistani "i wanna fuck latina teens" wasptard lobby. 1947525;1571713230;mp_en_viaje;Crashdïet, who the fuck ever heard of this ridiculous nonsense, metalaut went out with the fucking berlin wall 1947526;1571713324;mp_en_viaje;o wait, their production dept reads the logs, now switched to aerosmith (falling in love) and following led zeppelin. aite, aite, your channel's pretty cool, chillax folks. 1947527;1571713438;mp_en_viaje;can't even watch this shit with the lights off, too much lumvariance holy hell. 1947528;1571713634;BingoBoingo;Many sectors of the Fat Forehead party are using potato footage in their ads. Can't even spec spammy blowjob footage quality Xiaomi or Huawei cameras that happen to have radios. 1947529;1571714390;mp_en_viaje;nuts. 1947530;1571714959;BingoBoingo;Well, biggest offender is the local Communist Party. Misallocation of resources comes with the turf. 1947531;1571715004;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-21#1947360 << a large part of this problem, should be prolly mentioned retrospectively, is that aquila non capit muscas / whales don't eat peanuts by the nut (even if elephants do). when i raped the "bitcoin cash" nonsense, for instance, i burned the idiots for thousands upon thousands of bitcoin at a time, as some here involved in the transfer may remember. easy to keep it net positive by frenzy feedi 1947532;1571715004;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-21 17:18:41 mp_en_viaje: easily the worst part of my example is the "und die hundert millionen in meinem schatz" / "money is no object" "battleship mp" part. 1947533;1571715005;mp_en_viaje;ng like that now and again and meanwhile leaking thousands o' dubaloos daily. 1947534;1571715053;mp_en_viaje;just because mp income is not particularly visible dun mean it dun exist ; misinterpreting it as "mp just burns money" is therefore temptingly trivial, but about as wise as "mp doesn't understand computers" or w/e, "can't fucking add". 1947535;1571715179;mp_en_viaje;soros similarly never made a salary, and so on. past a certain size income's whenever you run into a new planetoid to accrete, not every morning with the dew. 1947536;1571715291;*;asciilifeform waves to mp_en_viaje 1947537;1571715303;mp_en_viaje;hola. 1947538;1571715344;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: how's czechia ? 1947539;1571715351;mp_en_viaje;fucking great, actually. 1947540;1571715366;mp_en_viaje;only onther place i currently know competition-capable with costa rica. 1947541;1571715394;*;asciilifeform moar or less 100% able to eat written czech. spoken, diff matter 1947542;1571715396;mp_en_viaje;vienna also nice, but that's 2nd tier. 1947543;1571715428;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, that's ok, czech speakers 100% able to eat mp. yum! 1947544;1571715477;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: do you address'em in deutsch, so to instantly trigger lordosis ? 1947545;1571715493;mp_en_viaje;english, french, even italian! 1947546;1571715515;asciilifeform;lol, dafuq are they doing speaking eng 1947547;1571715530;mp_en_viaje;everyone does fwis. 1947548;1571715554;asciilifeform;nuts. 1947549;1571715571;mp_en_viaje;funny breed of russky-kretuzes, too. big tits on slender waifs. 1947550;1571715671;BingoBoingo;Nice 1947551;1571715922;billymg;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-21#1947419 << files are in place 1947552;1571715922;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-21 23:17:09 BingoBoingo: billymg: upload your site's files an a .sql dump. Once that's done ping me and I'll breath life into it. Probably tomorrow. 1947553;1571715924;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-21#1947381 << o hey, good for you. blog article ? pix ? 1947554;1571715925;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-21 22:24:38 billymg: just got back from cr, am now land owner 1947555;1571715959;billymg;mp_en_viaje: yes! blog post and pics coming 1947556;1571715964;BingoBoingo;billymg: ty, putting finishing touches on the lawyer notes 1947557;1571715965;mp_en_viaje;nice. 1947558;1571716100;mp_en_viaje;exciting. 1947559;1571716193;billymg;thanks, yeah it's a good feeling 1947560;1571716233;mp_en_viaje;do you intend to continue using it as a bnb sorta thing ? 1947561;1571716257;mp_en_viaje;or kicking everything out, installing own harem in there, castle billy mountain goat & his merry ewes ? 1947562;1571716320;billymg;first the former, until i get myself oriented 1947563;1571716350;billymg;and then i suppose i'll have to see how much i have in me wrt the latter 1947564;1571716419;mp_en_viaje;hey trinque, you feel like taking the tiny concert goer over to cr for a coupla weeks ? you pick up your own airfare ima cover your stay with the fellow. 1947565;1571716431;billymg;it's all a huge departure from show up at office terminal, collect bezzle -- so i'm expecting a learning curve 1947566;1571716490;mp_en_viaje;billymg, i believe. 1947567;1571716701;billymg;mp_en_viaje: you read my mind, was thinking it could serve as a lord's retreat spot. trinque or anyone else in l1 would certainly be welcome 1947568;1571716772;mp_en_viaje;billymg, ima prolly be in africa/middle east this winter ; but defo coming back to cr prolly spring / summer at the latest, i dun so much like summer in yurp. 1947569;1571716802;mp_en_viaje;at which point i'll defo come check it out. 1947570;1571716828;billymg;sounds good, i hope to be there late january myself 1947571;1571716867;mp_en_viaje;works. 1947572;1571717001;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, is there on edge of the seat, falling asleep, waiting for me to get to his calculator thing. THE SHOE IS ON TEH OTHER FOOT NAO, HUH!!! you're gonna be asleep before i'm done with all this other stuff, huh! HUH! 1947573;1571717367;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-21#1947428 << irc bouncers utterly ideal for this job, they attract the sorta [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-11#1944848][limp dick "ddos"] that separates the latechcos from the adults. 1947574;1571717367;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-21 23:26:11 asciilifeform: incl. 'bouncers', i want that 'ddos proof' claim tested sooner rather than later. 1947575;1571717368;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-11 09:48:26 mp_en_viaje: and in other morning lulz, oh look! "ddos" failing both the d- and the -dos portions! YOU KNOW IT IS SUPPOSED TO DENY SERVICE RITE 1947576;1571717537;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-21#1947432 << don't be an idiot and think WELL and CORRECTLY about the one guy with extensive tmsr dc experience here present is saying. are you SURE it's correctly priced ? 1947577;1571717538;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-21 23:28:17 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The actual physical machine aspect and the potential frustrations involved in the detailed fingerwork of handling RK drives and cables, suggests a price floor may be in order. 1947578;1571717746;BingoBoingo;I felt less tension and stress every time I racked and unracked a 1U server solo versus any time I touched the Rockchip plant. I trust his new layout is better based on the picture and his experience being frustrated with the pilot plant, but once it fills... I suspect asciilifeform suffers from the same disease I do where I've consistently failed most of my life to assign value to my time and taken what was offered from the menu. 1947579;1571718545;*;asciilifeform in fact still awake -- if not for much long 1947580;1571718603;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: it's strange, i was convinced ~errybody~ would flame re 'outlandish prices' 1947581;1571718613;mp_en_viaje;that's because you're an idiot. 1947582;1571718618;asciilifeform;evidently 1947583;1571718632;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: how come moldavia 35eu tho.. 1947584;1571718647;mp_en_viaje;never you mind that part. 1947585;1571718838;*;asciilifeform will rewrite, after processing all barf from the experts. sorta what 1st draft is for. 1947586;1571719044;feedbot;http://bingology.net/2019/10/22/notes-from-the-first-meeting-with-counsel/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Notes From The First Meeting With Counsel 1947587;1571719046;BingoBoingo;^ With the late hour something has to suffer and what will suffer is proofreading. This is the Nth consecutive day I am ending exhausted and I like it. 1947588;1571719061;*;asciilifeform reads 1947589;1571719076;BingoBoingo;There's a few pictures for the looking too 1947590;1571719270;BingoBoingo;Also meatspace deedbot promotion 1947591;1571719394;*;asciilifeform deadly tired, will process all queued i/o when wakes up. bbl 1947592;1571719409;BingoBoingo;Sleep well 1947593;1571719580;trinque;mp_en_viaje and billymg, thanks for the offers! I just got in from a vacation, so I'll need to attend to things a while before another. but would love to! 1947594;1571719612;trinque;in other and related news, ressurected trinque.org . will get the url rewriting fixed tomorrow 1947595;1571719621;trinque;night all 1947596;1571719777;mp_en_viaje;kekekekekex 1947597;1571719786;mp_en_viaje;yo asciilifeform : i hit the comment, your blog says "Wrong" 1947598;1571719799;mp_en_viaje;fucking lost it, ima wake up prageu laUGHING, what the fuck is wrong with you 1947599;1571719838;mp_en_viaje;o fuck me, the idiotic "captcha nonsense". 1947600;1571719866;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=QGNb << there you go. 1947601;1571720028;*;asciilifeform wakes up briefly 1947602;1571720048;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: for my debuggification, what was the xor prompt when got 'wrong' ? 1947603;1571720057;mp_en_viaje;nfi, i never fill those in. 1947604;1571720063;asciilifeform;can persuade mp_en_viaje to xor ? 1947605;1571720068;mp_en_viaje;no! 1947606;1571720104;mp_en_viaje;i'm one hair away from buying fucking ww2 de-mining tank, to fuck up all the "speed bumps" i run into, also. 1947607;1571720117;asciilifeform;aite, will then post mp_en_viaje's crit manually when wake up. ( and eat into draft 2, lotsa good point ) 1947608;1571720128;mp_en_viaje;fucking bullshit, i should have my shocks fucked because someone else ~might~ speed over your children. go talk to that someone else, not to me. 1947609;1571720259;*;asciilifeform returns to horiz. pos. 1947610;1571720467;*;BingoBoingo omitted from the notes post that I did during the closing chit chat bring up that "folks from my part of the US have a reputation for naivety, to the point some go so far as to call us rubes" as we discussed the insanity of common law systems. 1947611;1571721722;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, sounds like you're rapunzel over there, woke up as if from spell. 1947612;1571721724;mp_en_viaje;good for you! 1947613;1571721781;*;mp_en_viaje woke up early to publish trilema article, ended up reading other people's articles for 3 hours, not even done. lessee bvt's now! 1947614;1571721944;mp_en_viaje;http://bvt-trace.net/2019/10/fg-fed-linux-rng/ << the most important q here is, are we going to mandate serpent ? or are we going to permit legacy sha1/chacha ? 1947615;1571721963;mp_en_viaje;plox to weigh in. 1947616;1571722080;mp_en_viaje;imo doing 3.2:1 is seriously problematic 1947617;1571722120;mp_en_viaje;i also kinda like the idea of permitting each user to pick his own rng-hash-crypto key. 1947618;1571722136;mp_en_viaje;sorta gives meaning to computer identity, which... i dunno, seems nice. 1947619;1571723708;mp_en_viaje;and thanks bvt, megaworks there. 1947620;1571733303;diana_coman;wow, nice work bvt! I'll need to re-read it a few times though. 1947621;1571733741;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: why mandate a specific hash function (esp given that there isn't any clear way to base such mandate on "this is best hashing")? 1947622;1571734981;diana_coman;asciilifeform: the monthly overhead at $50 seems rather low to me - did you do any sort of estimate re how much of your *time* this will eat? (only considering that you'll spend 40 minutes just going back and forth each time you need to physically go there and that probably assuming good traffic etc) 1947623;1571735181;diana_coman;asciilifeform: since 1 IP per rack anyway, I don't quite see the sense in keeping this all the time separate and then pushed in as an add-on etc. I'd calculate the Te to include IPs enough for a full rack and that's it; sure, additional IPs are additional and then naturally add-ons but that's separate anyway. 1947624;1571735270;diana_coman;asciilifeform: nice to see the calculations for sure; let me add though that this draft is still not [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946476][a business plan] 1947625;1571735270;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-18 13:08:52 diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: I am all for hosting it with asciilifeform but tbh I would very much want him to publish an actual business plan on his blog. 1947626;1571736056;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, a) to avoid the sha1-powered contraction ; b) to reject, discontinue and clearly mark as untenable pantsuit heritage ; c) to disrupt any possible legacy of usgistani shenanigans in the output ; d) to give meaning to the notion of computer identity ("a computer's key is the hash of the sig it uses to serpent its rng code") and e) for simplicity (one mechanism instead of two as now) 1947627;1571736268;mp_en_viaje;b in any case is a central point of republican policy, as per both http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2018-07-14#1834692 and http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2016-10-05#1553287 (there's plenty other minor examples0 1947628;1571736269;ossabot;Logged on 2018-07-14 21:30:25 mircea_popescu: notice as in, you know, actually notice, "omfg i can't believe what a shithead i am, missed out on the financial bitcoin train and then on the political too, i truly am too stuipid to fucking live" and subsequently blow their brains out, as any sort of rational process absolutely dictates... 1947629;1571736269;ossabot;Logged on 2016-10-05 13:08:17 mircea_popescu: which is the point here : using ANYTHING made by usg.vc.* is risky, and opens one to various liabilities downstream. including among them - that you will be unwound. 1947630;1571736451;mp_en_viaje;incidentally, mylord verschlimmbessert : how's the http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947499 notion sound ? either take a girl from home, have her do some nude work on the world's greatest beaches to spiffy up your blog illustration-wise ; or else i guess something can be provided locally. 1947631;1571736451;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-22 00:57:27 mp_en_viaje: hey trinque, you feel like taking the tiny concert goer over to cr for a coupla weeks ? you pick up your own airfare ima cover your stay with the fellow. 1947632;1571736506;mp_en_viaje;!Qlater tell bvt http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947565 1947633;1571736506;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-22 06:31:20 mp_en_viaje: incidentally, mylord verschlimmbessert : how's the http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947499 notion sound ? either take a girl from home, have her do some nude work on the world's greatest beaches to spiffy up your blog illustration-wise ; or else i guess something can be provided locally. 1947634;1571736516;mp_en_viaje;hm how the fuck did that work 1947635;1571736547;mp_en_viaje;lobbes, hey bot ded ? 1947636;1571736859;mp_en_viaje;and since doing this, hey spyked ? you ever been across ocean ? 1947637;1571736959;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947561 - I can see that; my thinking was not towards using sha1 but more towards permitting other-than-serpent mainly because 1. serpent is still snake-oil and only adopted-for-lack-of-better option afaik b. maybe tmsr makes its own hash function next year or something (ha!) 1947638;1571736959;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-22 06:24:44 mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, a) to avoid the sha1-powered contraction ; b) to reject, discontinue and clearly mark as untenable pantsuit heritage ; c) to disrupt any possible legacy of usgistani shenanigans in the output ; d) to give meaning to the notion of computer identity ("a computer's key is the hash of the sig it uses to serpent its rng code") and e) for simplicity (one mechanism instead of two as now) 1947639;1571736976;mp_en_viaje;and if it does it can also make a vpatch 1947640;1571736988;diana_coman;indeed. 1947641;1571737003;diana_coman;and wtf did I do there 1 & b, ugh. 1947642;1571737018;mp_en_viaje;ikr :D 1947643;1571737119;mp_en_viaje;anyway, i suppose the logical next step is for the remarkably productive bvt to do some benchmarking re speed of possible candidates (a list including atm the chacha and serpent -- knowledgeable folk feel free to propose more candidates) so as to have some practical basis. 1947644;1571737136;mp_en_viaje;the fast hash has to be FAST ; while the good hash has to be GOOD. this trumps e) in any case. 1947645;1571737188;diana_coman;keccak I suppose 1947646;1571737194;mp_en_viaje;we know that's ~slow 1947647;1571737202;mp_en_viaje;but yeah, why not benchmark. 1947648;1571737202;diana_coman;for "good" + list. 1947649;1571737241;diana_coman;there is no good hash though, only not-known-yet-as-bad 1947650;1571737329;mp_en_viaje;sadly that'll stay so 1947651;1571746205;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/the-spitroast-cheap-whore-storage-the-lonely-tower-winter-skies-gashcz-and-the-peach-juicer-you-sort-it-out/ << Trilema -- The Spitroast, Cheap Whore Storage, The Lonely Tower, Winter Skies, Gash.CZ and The Peach Juicer -- you sort it out. 1947652;1571749532;mp_en_viaje;(speaking of which, the misadventures of young Rıza Sarraf might be of some amusment to republican readership) 1947653;1571750363;*;asciilifeform waves 1947654;1571750393;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3486&cpage=1#comment-19833][sewed in your commentary re costs] by hand. 1947655;1571750568;*;asciilifeform will write brief nitpick, but most of it 100% agree, and will go into draft 2 1947656;1571751265;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3486&cpage=1#comment-19834][nitpick to commentary] posted. 1947657;1571751314;*;asciilifeform eats log... 1947658;1571751472;asciilifeform;other omissions in the draft include FG -- i dun presently have a 'equip erryone who asks' supply of'em here. can equip mp_en_viaje & co, but others will have to wait for wat-do re recovery of FG from piz crater 1947659;1571751777;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947549 << asciilifeform is partial to serpent , but strictly because [http://www.loper-os.org/?cat=51][actually had a chance to do some analysis of it] ; and dislikes sha for the obv. reason, and chacha ditto for the reason of originating from post-brainrot bernstein. but theoretically all of these snake oils are equally snake oils, and difficult to argue against the standard 'drink t 1947660;1571751777;asciilifeform;he cheapest' formula. 1947661;1571751777;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-22 02:29:31 mp_en_viaje: http://bvt-trace.net/2019/10/fg-fed-linux-rng/ << the most important q here is, are we going to mandate serpent ? or are we going to permit legacy sha1/chacha ? 1947662;1571751874;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947552 << imho this is a+++ idea. tho as i understand all of the prngism applies strictly to /dev/urandom and so not particularly important how it is wired, no one in his right mind will use urandom for anyffin serious 1947663;1571751874;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-22 02:32:27 mp_en_viaje: i also kinda like the idea of permitting each user to pick his own rng-hash-crypto key. 1947664;1571751970;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947557 << the idea was that time is amply compensated by the margin. (certainly w/ mp_en_viaje's 45% figure, it will be!) 1947665;1571751971;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-22 06:06:50 diana_coman: asciilifeform: the monthly overhead at $50 seems rather low to me - did you do any sort of estimate re how much of your *time* this will eat? (only considering that you'll spend 40 minutes just going back and forth each time you need to physically go there and that probably assuming good traffic etc) 1947666;1571752231;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947558 << i considered pre-ordering ( it'll be 62, 14 for 1us and 48 for rk plant, i.e. a /26 ) but that'd be 200/mo vs the current baseline 25, and hesitated to do this until rack actually populated by paying customers, it is steep cost for an empty-for-indefinite-time rack. 1947667;1571752232;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-22 06:10:10 diana_coman: asciilifeform: since 1 IP per rack anyway, I don't quite see the sense in keeping this all the time separate and then pushed in as an add-on etc. I'd calculate the Te to include IPs enough for a full rack and that's it; sure, additional IPs are additional and then naturally add-ons but that's separate anyway. 1947668;1571752376;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947559 << diana_coman what, in your pov, is missing, that mp_en_viaje did not mention ? ( and incidentally did e.g. trinque ever publish biz plan / expense sheet for walletron? ) 1947669;1571752376;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-22 06:11:38 diana_coman: asciilifeform: nice to see the calculations for sure; let me add though that this draft is still not [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946476][a business plan] 1947670;1571752530;asciilifeform;and typically elaborate biz plans are written for ~investors~ rather than customers, afaik. imho it is reasonable for folx considering to park expensive irons to ask for 'how you plan to remain solvent', hence this thread. but 'how you plan to become rockefeller' is imho tall order. esp. since [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-21#1947411][i've atm no plan to become rockefeller via this work.] 1947671;1571752531;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-21 23:13:53 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: my intention is to fully supply the needs of l1, in a sustainable scheme, prior to any mega-expansions. 1947672;1571752564;asciilifeform;that being said, if diana_coman has specific 'what about x', plox to comment, i'ma address in 2nd draft along w/ mp_en_viaje's crit. 1947673;1571752743;asciilifeform;i'ma rewrite that thing until it actually satisfies all of the prospective inhabitants, would like to start the commercial life of the thing asap. 1947674;1571752784;asciilifeform;if it takes 5 writes -- than 5 writes. 1947675;1571752789;asciilifeform;*then 1947676;1571752919;diana_coman;asciilifeform: what does it take for you to stop once and for all the "but x ALSO didn't /did Y"? sure, bash the x who did/didn't if they deserve it, by all means, but that is on them and nothing to do with you, ugh. 1947677;1571752982;asciilifeform;diana_coman: it's simple logical consistency. why apply 1 standard for rack where park 0.1btc of box, and an entirely diff for wallet where park dozens of btc ? 1947678;1571753030;diana_coman;asciilifeform: no; it's simple focus of ONE discussion: why do you care whether X got his bashing yet or not; how is that relevant to what people are asking of you? 1947679;1571753063;diana_coman;asciilifeform: for that matter how do you know "dozens of btc"; and maybe I just love trinque, what. 1947680;1571753071;asciilifeform;diana_coman: if it wasn't clear from thrd, i intend to give the askers what they are asking. 1947681;1571753080;asciilifeform;but will have to be specific crit, like mp_en_viaje's. 1947682;1571753165;asciilifeform;'this is rubbish, not a proper plan' is not an eggog that i can work from, diana_coman . need detailed 'why, idjit, didntcha explain x?' 1947683;1571753287;diana_coman;asciilifeform: re why "for customers", it's a matter of continuity mainly ie how do you plan to actually make this solvent & grow; or don't you plan this? (related: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946258) 1947684;1571753287;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-18 09:33:16 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-17#1946136 << yup, and once he chases a different skirt in a week or two again, "problems" again and so on. 1947685;1571753339;diana_coman;asciilifeform: mk: what do you plan to do to fully populate the rack and over what timeframe? 1947686;1571753396;asciilifeform;the 'solvent' part imho is satisfied by even draft 1. the 'expand' i think deserves more space. 1947687;1571753444;diana_coman;asciilifeform: and if it's not clear, this is not about my rk, the tiny-worth, no; it's mainly because I really don't want to move about s.mg servers again, it's been quite an intense week that post-pizarro implosion one. 1947688;1571753452;asciilifeform;well yes. 1947689;1571753537;diana_coman;take all the space you need, sure; I just want to see it or whether there will be any of it. 1947690;1571753563;asciilifeform;diana_coman: 'fully populate' i expect will happen quickly when l1 finds prospectus satisfactory. e.g. 4 'dulap'-type boxen and 1 shared-www per BingoBoingo's schematic already exhausts the energy supply. at which pt i'ma expand to full tower. and diana_coman is right imho, this oughta be detailed in 2nd draft. 1947691;1571753580;diana_coman;asciilifeform: please do, thank you. 1947692;1571753683;asciilifeform;diana_coman: re rk -- i included rk plant from the following logic : 1) it was best-selling product in era of piz 2) i am sitting on a crate of brand-new rk that did not get invoiced to piz or get to fly 3) pre-existing interest ( e.g. diana_coman's ) in inexpensive www mirrors. 1947693;1571753761;asciilifeform;on top of this, i have a gentoo for'em; an automated system for provisioning; and rk is 'most cpu for the watt' box that i'm currently aware of, is imho excellent fit for a wattage-constrained initially small tower. 1947694;1571753950;asciilifeform;diana_coman: moar in brief re expansions (will address pedantically in draft 2) -- they will have to be financed by actual revenue, and BingoBoingo-style auctions, i do not have massive capital (and what i have, is earmarked for physical irons, already ordered 'dulaps' and will be purchasing yet-moar of'em once it becomes clear that asciilifeform won't live alone in the rack) 1947695;1571754276;diana_coman;I'll wait patiently for draft 2, there's no need for sneak previews in the logs or anything. 1947696;1571754282;asciilifeform;aite. 1947697;1571754313;asciilifeform;would like to accumulate all possible nitpicks of 1 before setting out tho. 1947698;1571754575;asciilifeform;diana_coman & mp_en_viaje are the king/queen of the prospective customer base, by weight, and so if no one adds anyffin in next few hrs, i'ma work w/ what's been given so far for draft 2. 1947699;1571756356;asciilifeform;tangentially, other mp_en_viaje point -- anyone readily recall how to banish mutilation of quotes from wp? ( aka 'microshit quotes' ) 1947700;1571756378;asciilifeform;i'd like to finally patch mine 1947701;1571756421;asciilifeform;( will guess that it's 1 line somewhere in that war crime.. but where? ) 1947702;1571756507;asciilifeform;fwiw i dun enter text via the 'pretty print' wp editor, but as raw htm paste, so it prolly aint the editor that mutilates 1947703;1571756543;*;asciilifeform writes all articles by hand, tags an' all 1947704;1571756605;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: https://subinsb.com/how-to-remove-smart-quotes-from-posts-in-wordpress/ << Your version of Wordpress may vary 1947705;1571756788;asciilifeform;ty BingoBoingo , i'ma look 1947706;1571756853;BingoBoingo;mp-wp kills em already, and Qntra-wp code hasn't much changed since the cazalla days 1947707;1571756990;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i expect to move entirely to mp's wp when i get to moving www finally. but atm hands quite full. ( it'll be somewhat tricky, will have to port the coad printer extension thing to it, and various other things i changed over 12yrs+ of my www) 1947708;1571757055;asciilifeform;the human-readable urls thing in particular, in mpwp, is quite appetizing. 1947709;1571759429;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: ty, that actually worked. ( tho, funnily, i had to [http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=6Cb6][correct] the author's own piece, on ~his~ wp evidently did NOT work, his contained microshit-quotes!! ) 1947710;1571759454;BingoBoingo;lol, I suspect an "update" killed his fix 1947711;1571759502;asciilifeform;hell knows. seems to remove the mutilation tho, w/out breaking anyffin (if anyone sees a breakage from this patch on my www, or remaining mutilated quotes -- plox to write in) 1947712;1571759744;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Well, the way wordpress updates, if soemthing gets updates whatever files you customized get replaced. Same if the theme "updates" 1947713;1571759972;BingoBoingo;Pre-V software revisions and errata are barbaric 1947714;1571761231;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: on acct of [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933951][how asciilifeform sewed his wp], it has never 'auto-updated' nor could it, lol 1947715;1571761231;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-05 20:04:50 asciilifeform: back in '07 sewed his php wp with 'fascism' , it can only write to db, not to disk directly ; so was never able to use the bitmap processing , www uploader, related, features 1947716;1571761270;asciilifeform;it's a manually gardened wp (if not as elaborately cultured as mp's) . 1947717;1571761328;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/10/kkkalifornia-freshman-pantsuit-congresswoman-caught-breaking-new-house-no-sex-with-staff-rule/ << Qntra -- KKKalifornia Freshman Pantsuit Congresswoman Caught Breaking New House "No Sex With Staff" Rule 1947718;1571761359;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Your way is a clean way to handle WP given you have had other things you'd rather do than clean the messes, a product of its time. 1947719;1571761449;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: my wp is squarely a 'legacy system', analogous to e.g. 'mpb'. i dun propagandize its use, nor intend to separately genesis it, imho mp has the wp question 100% covered . 1947720;1571761536;asciilifeform;fwiw it has never been detectably vandalized, to date. 1947721;1571761566;asciilifeform;( 2007 -- present ) 1947722;1571761598;asciilifeform;the carrier where it lives, however, is terminally retarded, and it's to be moved as soon as i have a free hand. 1947723;1571761624;BingoBoingo;Qntra-wp similarly legacy system, trapped for the substantial overhead necessary to port the database holding the content. Qntra however is less blog and more wire service. 1947724;1571761649;asciilifeform;( how retarded? [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-07-18#1923435][see also thrd.] ) 1947725;1571761649;ossabot;Logged on 2019-07-18 21:21:31 asciilifeform: sooooo... loox like all things die. and [http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=nearlyfreespeech][nfs hosting co] finally went fullbore stupid. asciilifeform's www is hosed, they 'upgraded' php forcibly. 1947726;1571761899;asciilifeform;when moved, will finally have that static ip... 1947727;1571762164;*;asciilifeform found that there ~remain~ 'microshit quotes' in certain posts, where text had evidently been pasted from wp output. will have to write a sqlism to remove'em, but prolly not today an' not this week. 1947728;1571762357;asciilifeform;DanielBTC (~macaxeira@unaffiliated/danielbtc) has joined #trilema << anyone know whothefuq that is ? 1947729;1571764391;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947653 << ftr would have fixed, that wasnt the issue; simply wasn't literate enuff in phpism to do a proper cleanup. ( arguably still even nao , php to asciilifeform is ~= cobol ) 1947730;1571764391;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-22 13:26:30 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Your way is a clean way to handle WP given you have had other things you'd rather do than clean the messes, a product of its time. 1947731;1571765612;*;asciilifeform will begin proper rework of costs draft #2 tonight. prelim. spreadshit however suggests that w/ 45% margin, three leased 'dulaps' already would bring in enuff to upgrade the tower (+20u, 10x pipe, 2x amperage) ~and~ remain in the black... 1947732;1571765720;asciilifeform;( in the black revenue-wise, that is; to cover the outlay for the machines per se would take at that rate 10y, supposing an improbably static btc exch rate ) 1947733;1571765833;asciilifeform;i'ma have to recalculate w / machine-amort. as separate figure. 1947734;1571766008;asciilifeform;( elementarily, the irons ~must~ amortize in the given time spans, to cover cost of maintenance/replacement ) 1947735;1571766260;*;asciilifeform will post in #2 example scenarios for 'full occupancy' and what is required to permit expansion of plant. 1947736;1571766378;asciilifeform;( ^ in the simplest formulation, a full occupancy that brings in net >200 $ (the added expense of upgraded tower) w/out eating into irons amort. budget. ) 1947737;1571766503;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo and mp were right, btw, it appears that a well-populated rk fixture (and, possibly, shared-machine) are the only way to actually cross that bridge w/out further raising subscriber colo charge. 1947738;1571766540;asciilifeform;( and right in re rk in draft 1 being catastrophically underpriced ) 1947739;1571766685;*;asciilifeform wonders if he's thinking about this backwards, and oughta instead model the upper half of (expanded) tower as a separate numeric system, w/ same constants but Te == 200. 1947740;1571767199;asciilifeform;for intervals of expansion : would also help if had any way to gauge demand. ( atm i have 1 ~maybe~ dulap-install being considered by diana_coman & mp. anyone else ? ) 1947741;1571768071;asciilifeform;w/ the new philosophy of tmsr iron being spread out worldwide, i dunno what kind of occupancy can expect in the immediate term. which is why began with dwarf rack rather than shelling out for the full orchestra immed. 1947742;1571768152;asciilifeform;( all folx considering emplacing ~anyffin~ in asciilifeform's rack -- plox to write in. no commitment is implied, would like to simply gauge the immediate prospects. ) 1947743;1571768491;mod6;asciilifeform: I think it sounds like a good place to rack the foundation's server (as previously discussed). 1947744;1571768510;asciilifeform;mod6: ty, noted 1947745;1571768535;asciilifeform;mod6: didja get a chance to read draft 1 btw ? 1947746;1571768584;BingoBoingo;mod6: Did you get a chance to read the lawyer meeting notes yet? 1947747;1571768594;mod6;Yes, to both. 1947748;1571768616;asciilifeform;mod6: plox to do BingoBoingo's 1st, his fire is moar immediately hot 1947749;1571768634;mod6;Thanks for posting BingoBoingo. 1947750;1571768687;mod6;It totally agree that costs will soar if this thing goes to court. 1947751;1571768724;mod6;Do we have a specific budget in mind here for what we're willing to spend? Because, for me, it's not very high. 1947752;1571768810;asciilifeform;mod6: imho makes sense to spend a sum that is strictly < than the cost of evacuating BingoBoingo . but not moar. 1947753;1571768855;*;asciilifeform pictures latech reading the l0gz, and thinking 'haha, suckers, we'll spend N+1' 1947754;1571768872;mod6;asciilifeform: that's pretty much where I was at as well. .25 BTC to evac. which is about ~$2k in today's prices. 1947755;1571768921;asciilifeform;mod6: i'd even be ok w/ spending a larger (so long as ~bounded~) sum, if we had some notion re the prospects 1947756;1571768930;asciilifeform;but the decision is ultimately on mod6's desk 1947757;1571769022;BingoBoingo;The damned's budget is 8k USD or less unless they suck at math. Their spending increases faster than ours because up until this enters the courtroom /me is an active legwork participant. 1947758;1571769044;BingoBoingo;This contains our billable hours. 1947759;1571769063;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: explain how you obtained a cap for ~enemy~'s budget ?! or do i misread ? 1947760;1571769103;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The cap on their budget is bounded by their maximum upside by repairing the contract. 1947761;1571769105;asciilifeform;8k granted may be their budget for fighting plain termination of the contract 1947762;1571769109;asciilifeform;but if damages ? 1947763;1571769153;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: This is why I remain open to settlement while applying maximum pressure. 1947764;1571769175;*;asciilifeform suspects that settlement is the only way this could come out +ev 1947765;1571769188;asciilifeform;but does req. a credible threat 1947766;1571769214;asciilifeform;( iirc mp already detailed this. ) 1947767;1571769220;mod6;I'll have to admit, I don't care about all the rest of the noise, or whatever, my singular goal is to avoid paying out the rest of the contract. 1947768;1571769228;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Even the less than full press in the consumer protection docket, which is less expensive piles costs on them faster than myself as its a mostly diy job. 1947769;1571769273;BingoBoingo;Ending up in the consumer protection docket at all imposes long term costs on them. 1947770;1571769310;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: supposing they give rat's arse re 'longterm', i suspect latech is in the 'take the money & run' phase of scamlifecycle 1947771;1571769315;BingoBoingo;I do have a meeting with different counsel tomorrow afternoon as well. 1947772;1571769446;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Further action in that direction by the damned leads to the accumulation of criminal fraud charges. 1947773;1571769491;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: while it'd be quite satisfying to see the derps jailed, it dun do much for the filling of our crater afaik 1947774;1571769652;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Well, the Fiscalia spends to prosecute that beyond the initial complaint. 1947775;1571769759;BingoBoingo;And derps still spend in their defense 1947776;1571769784;BingoBoingo;They have clearly constrained upside and very unbounded potential costs. 1947777;1571769807;BingoBoingo;Not including any potential judgment. 1947778;1571769823;BingoBoingo;The damage a judgment does would be constrained in the local environment. 1947779;1571770046;BingoBoingo;The primary ground for damages in the local legal environment once again, are based on my lost income which... not going to generate an incredible huge number. 1947780;1571770159;BingoBoingo;If they don't settle at all they next course is weighing which action imposes the most cost on them at the least expenditure. 1947781;1571770659;*;BingoBoingo also still not at all inclined to evacuate without a better landing place. 1947782;1571770760;*;mod6 bbs, f00d 1947783;1571771083;*;asciilifeform meanwhile opened crate fulla ecc ram. 1947784;1571772192;bvt;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947549 << i certainly liked serpent most, because it went through at least some of form republican investigation, but decided not to hurry too much putting it everywhere. 1947785;1571772193;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-22 02:29:31 mp_en_viaje: http://bvt-trace.net/2019/10/fg-fed-linux-rng/ << the most important q here is, are we going to mandate serpent ? or are we going to permit legacy sha1/chacha ? 1947786;1571772221;bvt;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947551 << well yes, sha1 is making FG bottleneck much worse. 1947787;1571772222;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-22 02:31:48 mp_en_viaje: imo doing 3.2:1 is seriously problematic 1947788;1571772249;bvt;some thoughts: currently feeder app takes 3% CPU @ ~2.4 kb/s when feeding data into O through HG, because the bottleneck is in FG reading, and lots of overhead seems to be coming from retarded tty interface, which forces reading of individual bytes. 1947789;1571772286;bvt;but how much of cpu percentage would we want to dedicate to good hashing? if e.g. keccak is in place, what could happen (but only experiments will show) is that the bottleneck would be in the CPU -> if the system runs low on entropy somehow and self-hashes (which goes through the HG now, should it go through HF? (would also make sense from Size/2 decision rule)), we'd have an easy DoS vector against the 1947790;1571772292;bvt;system. 1947791;1571772312;bvt;ftr diana_coman's keccak is 1.7 MB/s on my machine @ 100% CPU utilization. 1947792;1571772339;bvt;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947552 << this is a nice idea, i will implement it 1947793;1571772339;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-22 02:32:27 mp_en_viaje: i also kinda like the idea of permitting each user to pick his own rng-hash-crypto key. 1947794;1571772361;bvt;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947554 << and ty, mircea_popescu, diana_coman! 1947795;1571772361;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-22 02:58:56 mp_en_viaje: and thanks bvt, megaworks there. 1947796;1571772388;bvt;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947556 << well, as long as selection procedure is rational, can always explain why have chosen this one and explicitly say that this is not an endorsement. 1947797;1571772389;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-22 05:46:09 diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: why mandate a specific hash function (esp given that there isn't any clear way to base such mandate on "this is best hashing")? 1947798;1571772411;bvt;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947572 << allowing arbitrary hash functions would create more bloat -- either i'd have to use some generic crypto abstractions, or hack up the build system and unconditionally enable all the accepted crypto algos at build time to use them directly. it's only chacha and sha1 that are located among e.g. memcpy in lib/ and available uncoditionally. the rest 1947799;1571772412;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-22 06:39:48 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947561 - I can see that; my thinking was not towards using sha1 but more towards permitting other-than-serpent mainly because 1. serpent is still snake-oil and only adopted-for-lack-of-better option afaik b. maybe tmsr makes its own hash function next year or something (ha!) 1947800;1571772417;bvt;require more involvement. 1947801;1571772462;bvt;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947578 << yeah, i will definitely test, including keccak (can pick c impl. for tests) 1947802;1571772462;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-22 06:42:27 mp_en_viaje: anyway, i suppose the logical next step is for the remarkably productive bvt to do some benchmarking re speed of possible candidates (a list including atm the chacha and serpent -- knowledgeable folk feel free to propose more candidates) so as to have some practical basis. 1947803;1571772673;BingoBoingo;!Qlater tell billymg http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=9r9U 1947804;1571772673;lobbesbot;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded. 1947805;1571773097;bvt;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947565 << ty for offer, unfortunately something like this would be possible for me only in feb. 1947806;1571773098;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-22 06:31:20 mp_en_viaje: incidentally, mylord verschlimmbessert : how's the http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947499 notion sound ? either take a girl from home, have her do some nude work on the world's greatest beaches to spiffy up your blog illustration-wise ; or else i guess something can be provided locally. 1947807;1571774212;BingoBoingo;bvt: I'm sure they can try to work something out aroung your schedule. 1947808;1571779527;asciilifeform;hmm mp ddosated again ? 1947809;1571780305;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947675 << gauge nothing. glaringly absent from your alleged plan is the 200 hour / month time allocation for creating that demand, with clear by day of week scheduling. is it gonna be 8am to 5pm on tuesdays and 4pm to midnight on wednesdays or what ? 1947810;1571780306;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-22 15:03:50 asciilifeform: for intervals of expansion : would also help if had any way to gauge demand. ( atm i have 1 ~maybe~ dulap-install being considered by diana_coman & mp. anyone else ? ) 1947811;1571780311;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947723 << imo 3% is already exaggerate. i'd be thinking more like a half percent, ideally. 1947812;1571780311;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-22 16:28:01 bvt: some thoughts: currently feeder app takes 3% CPU @ ~2.4 kb/s when feeding data into O through HG, because the bottleneck is in FG reading, and lots of overhead seems to be coming from retarded tty interface, which forces reading of individual bytes. 1947813;1571780317;mp_en_viaje;so i guess that tty interface will have to be fixed ? or wtf ?! 1947814;1571780324;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947731 << i do not believe this actually does anything. you can for the same money chant above the creampie, it'll do exactly as much. 1947815;1571780324;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-22 16:30:20 bvt: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947556 << well, as long as selection procedure is rational, can always explain why have chosen this one and explicitly say that this is not an endorsement. 1947816;1571780353;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947743 << to olazy to look, maybe just shitty internets. 1947817;1571780354;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-22 18:29:18 asciilifeform: hmm mp ddosated again ? 1947818;1571780451;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: not done w/ the 2nd set of numerics yet, but seems i may have ~opposite~ problem atm 1947819;1571780897;asciilifeform;( concretely : 4 'dulap'-style units , while (w/ mp_en_viaje-corrected set of constants) putting op +240 in +ev, in fact exhausts the energy allotment (not overruns, but leaves room only for rk plant.) and there already were requested, counting everyone who answered, tentatively 4 dulap's worth . (5 if counting shared-box) . ) 1947820;1571780908;asciilifeform;will detail this in rewritten piece . 1947821;1571781039;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: re those '200 hrs' , if there are actually 200hr/mo required for any part of this, i'ma have to hire ( BingoBoingo ?? ) an assistant. i dun have 200h/mo hidden up sleeve. 1947822;1571781472;asciilifeform;and incidentally, if asciilifeform cannot actually supply the service mp_en_viaje needs (e.g. if he needs a 24/7 staff of 4 working in shifts ) would rather know about it sooner than later. 1947823;1571781739;asciilifeform;( 'do you expect me to...' 'no, mr. bond! we expect you to DIE!!!!'(tm)(r) ) 1947824;1571785417;billymg;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947738 << BingoBoingo: got it, thanks 1947825;1571785418;lobbesbot;billymg: Sent 3 hours and 32 minutes ago: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=9r9U 1947826;1571785418;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-22 16:35:04 BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell billymg http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=9r9U 1947827;1571787650;BingoBoingo;billymg: ty 1947828;1571788725;*;asciilifeform discovered today -- similarly to [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-20#1947200][earlier find] -- that his new ip range once housed a (long-dead) 'nudecelebritease.com' . 1947829;1571788726;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-20 14:51:29 mp_en_viaje: people ~never change the machine names ; websites come and go. so i'd say 1/3 to 1/2 of the internet's like that. 1947830;1571794961;asciilifeform;ladies & gentlemen, please welcome back the designated ddos magnet, snsabot . 1947831;1571794980;asciilifeform;( and naturally his http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log . ) 1947832;1571795126;*;asciilifeform [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-20#1947115][promised] to put this right after 1st cost draft ; nao onto 2nd... 1947833;1571795127;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-20 17:58:20 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ftr asciilifeform's next agenda item, after cost sheet , is to put the logger back into service. 'ddos magnet', get some genuine picture of what this pipe can stand. 1947834;1571795133;asciilifeform;mebbe whole thing falls apart nao !1111 1947835;1571795190;asciilifeform;this 1 is on a rk. so e.g. search is palpably slower. but (presently) worx. 1947836;1571813768;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/margaret-cavendish-retard-of-newcastle-upon-tyne/ << Trilema -- Margaret Cavendish, Retard of Newcastle-upon-Tyne 1947837;1571815819;*;spyked back for air, almost done processing l0gz 1947838;1571816076;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947571 <-- haven't been anywhere west of paris yet and of course would like to. I'm considering the possibility of spyked in cr 2020 1947839;1571816076;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-22 06:38:08 mp_en_viaje: and since doing this, hey spyked ? you ever been across ocean ? 1947840;1571816224;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947642 <-- eh, not that much work. it took me like a week, and all this proceeding from custom-baked lisp blog 1947841;1571816224;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-22 12:13:40 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i expect to move entirely to mp's wp when i get to moving www finally. but atm hands quite full. ( it'll be somewhat tricky, will have to port the coad printer extension thing to it, and various other things i changed over 12yrs+ of my www) 1947842;1571816593;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-21#1947307 <-- defo interested and my [http://thetarpit.org/2019/work-plan-vi][schedule] is open for changes/amendments come november. I am currently working a full-time saeculum gig, so I wouldn't be able to take this as a full-time thing, but I could do this in small weekly/monthly pieces, as with previous published work. so if you think this works and I'm th 1947843;1571816593;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-21 12:19:48 trinque: on that subj, if there's someone interested in paid work on deedbot, see me! I'm not very good at growing arms. 1947844;1571816599;spyked;e right man for zee job, let's discuss a timeline. 1947845;1571816692;spyked;and regardless, I'd like to at the very least see the deedbot sources published, so lemme know if I can do anything to help in that direction 1947846;1571817300;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947621 <-- from my (most likely naive, since I've got 0-experience on the business side of things) the concerns seems to be rather re. your expectations of staying afloat, i.e. sales, revenue, how many clients you expect to get in what timeframe and how that'll cover your expenses. there might be some of that info in the logz, but imho this is worth includi 1947847;1571817301;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-22 11:13:46 asciilifeform: the 'solvent' part imho is satisfied by even draft 1. the 'expand' i think deserves more space. 1947848;1571817306;spyked;ng in plan and expanding on 1947849;1571817363;spyked;also, I think this is useful as a feedback/reflective instrument. if you make expectation for next 3 months, then in 3 months you have something clear to eval, adjust etc. otherwise it's just ??? 1947850;1571817469;spyked;from my read of the post and discussion, that is 1947851;1571818087;spyked;asciilifeform, btw, how much money+time did you invest in this so far? and how much of that went on e.g. iron? this kind of stuff is useful first and foremost for you to review, but e.g. if I decide to start something similar in bucharest 1yr from now, it'd be hugely useful as a comparison point 1947852;1571818173;*;spyked bbl, blogpost and diving back into saeculum 1947853;1571818571;bvt;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947746 << meanwhile figured out how to read from tty correctly, the updated number is 1.3% 1947854;1571818571;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-22 22:42:23 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947723 << imo 3% is already exaggerate. i'd be thinking more like a half percent, ideally. 1947855;1571818571;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-22 16:28:01 bvt: some thoughts: currently feeder app takes 3% CPU @ ~2.4 kb/s when feeding data into O through HG, because the bottleneck is in FG reading, and lots of overhead seems to be coming from retarded tty interface, which forces reading of individual bytes. 1947856;1571823201;feedbot;http://thetarpit.org/2019/vpl-v-patch-syncing-bug-fix << The Tar Pit -- v.pl V patch syncing bug fix 1947857;1571834198;diana_coman;spyked: ha, that vpatch is interesting, I never really used the init part. 1947858;1571834959;spyked;when I first looked into it, I found it a little odd myself, since it expects a particular URL structure, e.g. mp-wp/v/{patches,seals}. but then I got used to it and even adjusted my [http://lucian.mogosanu.ro/src/][v mirror] to match. afaik v.pl is the only vtron that comes with this functionality 1947859;1571836721;diana_coman;spyked: I think it was initially tailor-made for trb really, hence the odd stuff. 1947860;1571836735;diana_coman;!!v 18779896B0CEDC6A551886AAA53DCD69A9E374A62070031D467E894273BE635D 1947861;1571836735;deedbot;diana_coman rated jfw 2 << my pageboy; writes at http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com 1947862;1571838685;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947775 << i'ma do it whether takes little work or much, my wp is obsolete . suspected that 'much' simply because i have custom renderisms in mine, for the 'peh' examples. 1947863;1571838686;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-23 07:36:55 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947642 <-- eh, not that much work. it took me like a week, and all this proceeding from custom-baked lisp blog 1947864;1571838686;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-22 12:13:40 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i expect to move entirely to mp's wp when i get to moving www finally. but atm hands quite full. ( it'll be somewhat tricky, will have to port the coad printer extension thing to it, and various other things i changed over 12yrs+ of my www) 1947865;1571838748;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947781 << atm writing lengthy piece re subj (expecting to post fri/sat) and would rather not clutter the log w/ figures until then 1947866;1571838749;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-23 07:54:52 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947621 <-- from my (most likely naive, since I've got 0-experience on the business side of things) the concerns seems to be rather re. your expectations of staying afloat, i.e. sales, revenue, how many clients you expect to get in what timeframe and how that'll cover your expenses. there might be some of that info in the logz, but imho this is worth includi 1947867;1571838749;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-22 11:13:46 asciilifeform: the 'solvent' part imho is satisfied by even draft 1. the 'expand' i think deserves more space. 1947868;1571839092;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947784 << will say this : several folx expressed interest. but presently i do not know if will have ~any~ takers: for instance mp & diana_coman have very specific reqs that i dunno if can in fact fill. they might have to make own, heavy-industrial hosting system. all depends there on outcome of the costs-draft-then-flame process. i do not want to somehow bamboozle folx into buying pr 1947869;1571839092;asciilifeform;oduct that they will come to see as inadequate. 1947870;1571839093;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-23 07:55:54 spyked: also, I think this is useful as a feedback/reflective instrument. if you make expectation for next 3 months, then in 3 months you have something clear to eval, adjust etc. otherwise it's just ??? 1947871;1571839331;asciilifeform;spyked: the flip side of this, is that my rack is ~cheap~. so cheap that my ~post box~ at the post office costs almost half of it . its expense is somewhere b/w my water bill and mains current bill. i picked it up with the knowledge that if i am unable to make satisfactory arrangements to sell space in it to respectable folx, it can indefinitely serve as personal net hosting yacht for asciilifeform (who was paying through the nose fo 1947872;1571839332;asciilifeform;r shite hosting in number of places, and nao dun have to..) 1947873;1571839448;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947786 << there was a 295 (u.s. $) deposit at the colo house , but the rest ( will detail in new article ) -- went for iron . ( even if had no rack -- it's time to replenish my depleted stock of iron. ) 1947874;1571839448;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-23 08:07:58 spyked: asciilifeform, btw, how much money+time did you invest in this so far? and how much of that went on e.g. iron? this kind of stuff is useful first and foremost for you to review, but e.g. if I decide to start something similar in bucharest 1yr from now, it'd be hugely useful as a comparison point 1947875;1571839528;asciilifeform;in re time, most of it went into the 1st draft of costs article ; in the rack itself so far spent 3h (5 if including going there and back; 7 if including initial tour & haggle. ) 1947876;1571839619;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947786 << i'd luvv to see an l1 rack in ro, spyked ! keep in mind tho that asciilifeform 'cheats', has long existing experience buying irons, automated filler for rk's, many yrs in salt mines where set up, maintained, racks of irons, networkisms. 1947877;1571839619;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-23 08:07:58 spyked: asciilifeform, btw, how much money+time did you invest in this so far? and how much of that went on e.g. iron? this kind of stuff is useful first and foremost for you to review, but e.g. if I decide to start something similar in bucharest 1yr from now, it'd be hugely useful as a comparison point 1947878;1571839741;asciilifeform;( on costs piece however, spent no fewer than 11h! so asciilifeform is turtle. but sometimes turtle -- outruns achilles? maybe this will be the time? ) 1947879;1571839950;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947792 << i also never used. in my eyes it smacked of 'svn', 'git', similar barbarisms; imho vpatches oughta be downloaded by hand, carefully, rather than to rely on mechanical 'load'em all' tricks. 1947880;1571839950;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-23 12:36:29 diana_coman: spyked: ha, that vpatch is interesting, I never really used the init part. 1947881;1571840090;asciilifeform;fwiw a mp-wp extension that lets folx 'download these-here patches' imho may be useful. but really ought not to be ~in vtron~ . 1947882;1571840139;asciilifeform;asciilifeform's orig. vtron did not make use of the net at all, runs a++ on boxes w/out nics, and imho this is Right Thing. 1947883;1571840382;asciilifeform;in unrelated noose, asciilifeform's [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-23#1007389][logz auto-syncer] worx. will go in vpatch later. 1947884;1571840383;snsabot;(ossasepia) 2019-10-23 asciilifeform: guten tag diana_coman . you may have noticed, i put back the bot . it was synced with the new autosyncer that was to get deployed right before piz burned down. i'ma put it as vpatch, but prolly wont get chance this wk, hands full w/ 2nd draft of ispism. 1947885;1571840627;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947796 << interesting read ( fella had his own ersatz-cuntoo ?! ) 1947886;1571840627;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-23 13:18:47 deedbot: diana_coman rated jfw 2 << my pageboy; writes at http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com 1947887;1571842328;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: iirc the point version your wp split from automattic shit-wp is very close to where mp-wp split from shit-wp. 1947888;1571842910;diana_coman;asciilifeform: yes, he has *something*; it's still on the to-figure-out list just what and so on; I'll update if/when something useful but not earlier and there's still quite a lot to clarify there even before spending any time on any code. 1947889;1571843818;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i did not get chance to actually read any of it, and dun know when will, atm. comment strictly re interesting titles.. 1947890;1571844177;diana_coman;asciilifeform: probably for the best too! this is on *him* to spend more time on before it can be of any use (if it can be of any use), not on you; and pretty please, don't go "shiny!!" at it, it's not helping him either. 1947891;1571847297;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i promise -- not to. 1947892;1571847323;*;asciilifeform hasn't any time presently for 'shiny' 1947893;1571848343;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947756 << you've got your priorities fucked up, evidently enough, which was [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946351][the original problem] ; and while you've been making [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946388][disingenuous claims] throughout, your dedication is still to protecting statu quo. 1947894;1571848344;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-22 18:54:30 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: re those '200 hrs' , if there are actually 200hr/mo required for any part of this, i'ma have to hire ( BingoBoingo ?? ) an assistant. i dun have 200h/mo hidden up sleeve. 1947895;1571848344;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-18 12:02:14 mp_en_viaje: no, i'm not interested in sending you a harddrive so maybe you'll do something whatever in your garage. 1947896;1571848344;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-18 12:21:18 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: propaganda/l2 growth is ~the~ project. and req's asciilifeform's 'weak arm' to properly exercise. which is 1 of the reasons i took up 'bake isp again'. but presently weak arm. intent is to use strong arm to build exercise machine for weak, among other. 1947897;1571848363;mp_en_viaje;those 200 hours / month come before the 30 or w/e you expend in the eating of food. 1947898;1571848383;mp_en_viaje;they're the first allocation of any conceptual month's 720 hours. 1947899;1571848398;mp_en_viaje;anything else -- if there's time. this, however, unconditionally. 1947900;1571848557;mp_en_viaje;~this~ is [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946381][the discriminant] ; it's not a matter of how great you can do at the hobby of this, when "real life" permits. it's not how impressive, or above-others, or anything else your amateur effort might come to be. 1947901;1571848557;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-18 12:18:47 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: is this actual q, or simply constructed to give asciilifeform a banana to slip on ? 1947902;1571848566;mp_en_viaje;it's whether you're going to be a professional. 1947903;1571848600;mp_en_viaje;for as long as your mentality stays "amateur dabbler in tmsr", i stay uninterested. 1947904;1571849090;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: uninterested -- then uninterested. and i'd rather find out nao, than later, so ty. i dun have the capital to spend fulltime, and find it odd that mp_en_viaje only nao realized this. 1947905;1571849162;asciilifeform;when , incidentally, will set the bozo bit on [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946616][all the other useless dabblers] ? throw out , for consistency, 'v', deedbot, auctionbot, all sewed by also folx who work for a living and managed to steal some time in which to do sumthing useful. 1947906;1571849162;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-18 21:06:21 mp_en_viaje: and i do not say this idly ; i have made my own experiments as well as seen others', very EXPENSIVE, experiments in the same vein all over the world. people regularly sink billion+ in "tech incubator" producing nothing comparable. 1947907;1571849221;mp_en_viaje;isn't that a pretty weird approach to your problem ? what are you, a woman ?! 1947908;1571849252;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947757 << quit squirming and making up bullshit. i don't need even the one full time guy ; YOU do. 1947909;1571849253;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-22 19:01:43 asciilifeform: and incidentally, if asciilifeform cannot actually supply the service mp_en_viaje needs (e.g. if he needs a 24/7 staff of 4 working in shifts ) would rather know about it sooner than later. 1947910;1571849262;asciilifeform;i do ?? 1947911;1571849282;mp_en_viaje;yes. 1947912;1571849296;asciilifeform;for what, exactly ? to meet the spec of a fella who aint even subscribing ? 1947913;1571849388;mp_en_viaje;looky, you were a [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-08-20#1929901][beardless] 20yo at some point, but that's normal in boys. meanwhile you've made 30, and that's iffy. soon you'll be 40, just as boyish faced, and bitter-er for having watched all the others grow beards betimes all around. 1947914;1571849389;ossabot;Logged on 2019-08-20 21:05:03 asciilifeform: ( recently, asciilifeform's brother : 'know what, mr p could design an os; you can't' a: 'why's that' b: 'he has the beard' ) 1947915;1571849418;mp_en_viaje;you have the great advantage of being able to "sprint" more than most, and do a lot of the homework "without even trying". but this is also readily a disadvantage. 1947916;1571849442;*;asciilifeform actually had > beard in 20 than nao but dun want to ruin mp_en_viaje's flamemetaphor 1947917;1571849557;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947779 << this might even make the first time anyone was hired to do lisp work in like... fifty years. 1947918;1571849558;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-23 04:47:13 spyked: e right man for zee job, let's discuss a timeline. 1947919;1571849591;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: in reality i dun think ever had this experience of 'do w/out trying', i suspect mp_en_viaje is drawing from own biography. asciilifeform was not 'child prodigy' and never had this . 1947920;1571849619;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947788 << a there you go. now within what my notes claimed. still would like to minify it, but at least you know, livable. 1947921;1571849620;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-23 05:20:05 bvt: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947746 << meanwhile figured out how to read from tty correctly, the updated number is 1.3% 1947922;1571849620;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-22 22:42:23 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947723 << imo 3% is already exaggerate. i'd be thinking more like a half percent, ideally. 1947923;1571849621;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-22 16:28:01 bvt: some thoughts: currently feeder app takes 3% CPU @ ~2.4 kb/s when feeding data into O through HG, because the bottleneck is in FG reading, and lots of overhead seems to be coming from retarded tty interface, which forces reading of individual bytes. 1947924;1571849781;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947796 << while all the other chicks from her hometown were busy [http://ossasepia.com/2019/10/21/and-i-wont-save-you-from-the-rats/][mommyblogging]... diana_coman 's been... doing other things, check her out lol. 1947925;1571849781;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-23 10:22:51 deedbot: diana_coman rated jfw 2 << my pageboy; writes at http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com 1947926;1571849862;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947800 << /me shall read this sunday, then. 1947927;1571849863;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-23 10:56:24 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947781 << atm writing lengthy piece re subj (expecting to post fri/sat) and would rather not clutter the log w/ figures until then 1947928;1571849863;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-23 07:54:52 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947621 <-- from my (most likely naive, since I've got 0-experience on the business side of things) the concerns seems to be rather re. your expectations of staying afloat, i.e. sales, revenue, how many clients you expect to get in what timeframe and how that'll cover your expenses. there might be some of that info in the logz, but imho this is worth includi 1947929;1571849864;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-22 11:13:46 asciilifeform: the 'solvent' part imho is satisfied by even draft 1. the 'expand' i think deserves more space. 1947930;1571849986;asciilifeform;why ty mp_en_viaje . ( i appreciate the tutoring even if mp_en_viaje dun want to subscribe ) 1947931;1571850420;mp_en_viaje;now do me a favour and don't turn into the bush that grew up fast in the clearing, but for being just a sad sorry bush found itself soon enough overtaken by the actual trees. 1947932;1571850470;mp_en_viaje;life forms have no option re their genetics ; but man has all the option conceivable re the makeup of its mind. can use any dna just as well as any other, not stuck with the parents' like in the other case. 1947933;1571850557;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947816 << well, in practice vtron will come bundled with toolkit, what can do. 1947934;1571850557;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-23 11:18:46 asciilifeform: fwiw a mp-wp extension that lets folx 'download these-here patches' imho may be useful. but really ought not to be ~in vtron~ . 1947935;1571850707;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947839 << bullcrap, as per >> http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946412 1947936;1571850708;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-23 13:48:47 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: uninterested -- then uninterested. and i'd rather find out nao, than later, so ty. i dun have the capital to spend fulltime, and find it odd that mp_en_viaje only nao realized this. 1947937;1571850708;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-18 12:31:11 mp_en_viaje: as i was saying earlier in the proceedings, nsa could very well support this effort ; but it has to be fucking serious not penny ante flavour-of-the-week amateur show. 1947938;1571850952;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: plox to elaborate ? 1947939;1571851090;asciilifeform;grr again ddos?! 1947940;1571851112;asciilifeform;can i persuade mp_en_viaje to take a (pro bono!) bouncer rk in asciilifeformstein ? 1947941;1571851125;*;asciilifeform dun expect he will, but it'd be a++ ddos litmus... 1947942;1571851294;*;asciilifeform so far saw a few udp farts on the line but nuffin that detectably affected bot 1947943;1571851328;*;asciilifeform later will set up publicly-viewable meter for these 1947944;1571851640;mp_en_viaje;eh this is fucking ridiculous already. 1947945;1571851643;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, what am i elaborating ? 1947946;1571851668;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: let's come back to this after article, with your permission. 1947947;1571851674;mp_en_viaje;sure. 1947948;1571851692;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: meanwhile does mp_en_viaje believe in bouncers ? could have 1 within 3h if you want. 1947949;1571851766;asciilifeform;i'd have already smashed my desk if i had to live with irc conn like mp_en_viaje's 1947950;1571851978;asciilifeform;eh. 1947951;1571852031;mp_en_viaje;i honestly dun thinj ddos ; seems just shitty czech internets this time ; but sure, by all means, set it up ima try it out! 1947952;1571852070;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: welcome aboard then, test pilot ! i'ma bake it. 1947953;1571852100;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: plox to gpg ssh key you want to use (or otherwise i'ma gen random pw and gpg to mp_en_viaje , and he can put in at leisure ) 1947954;1571852590;asciilifeform;for mp_en_viaja, i have the choice of 1) standard rk, cum znc 2) apu1 w/ 1gb samsung ssd, cum znc, and in fact prepared trb on it also. 1947955;1571852596;asciilifeform;*mp_en_viaje 1947956;1571852603;asciilifeform;*1tb 1947957;1571852607;asciilifeform;grr too many kbds 1947958;1571852646;asciilifeform;apu1 equipped w/ 4GB ram and 2 cores of opteron. 1947959;1571852662;asciilifeform;'coreboot' bios. 1947960;1571852712;asciilifeform;i'ma set up both, in case takes him a while to beat modem into submission an' answer... 1947961;1571853898;asciilifeform;oook no answer, fella's getting the spiffier box! (can downsize later if wants.) 1947962;1571853902;*;asciilifeform off to cage. 1947963;1571858504;*;BingoBoingo has returned from second lawyer's audition. 1947964;1571858535;BingoBoingo;I learned things like "Dedicado" is Latechco! 1947965;1571858550;diana_coman;BingoBoingo: ahahaha, how is that? 1947966;1571858610;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: Holding company shennanigans, these folks failed to put Latecho out of business 4 years ago. 1947967;1571859101;BingoBoingo;Full report getting blogged. 1947968;1571859172;diana_coman;I'll read. 1947969;1571861914;*;asciilifeform prepared pilot box for mp! nao will smoke test & he can pick up when ready 1947970;1571863410;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/prague-comes-for-you-all/ << Trilema -- Prague comes for you all! 1947971;1571865792;mp_en_viaje;hi again! 1947972;1571865850;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, i honestly dun see any ddos as such. i suspect it's interplay of friable freenode with shitty czech tubes. 1947973;1571866409;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: prepared, however, box, if still interested. runs trb and znc ( the latter w/ default config, presently logs into fleanode as 'pilotplant' and joins #a , can fill in yerself or switch off by removing the crontab ) on boot. 1947974;1571866419;asciilifeform;is plugged in & going. 1947975;1571866856;asciilifeform;[http://www.loper-os.org/pub/colo/mp_pilot.jpg][oblig photo.] 1947976;1571866928;*;asciilifeform loox at what the heathen noad registry thinks the domain is... and [https://bitnodes.earn.com/nodes/205.134.172.4-8333/][lolwtf] 1947977;1571867044;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, aite, so how do i use this ? 1947978;1571867058;*;mp_en_viaje has no problem giving some data re potential ddos in any case 1947979;1571867058;asciilifeform;aa, 1s 1947980;1571867272;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=J_sR 1947981;1571867391;mp_en_viaje;wrpmg key 1947982;1571867404;asciilifeform;hm? 1947983;1571867410;asciilifeform;oooh 1947984;1571867413;asciilifeform;!!key mp_en_viaje 1947985;1571867414;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/208FE107E970F53262C4951232992F13CFA6CD06.asc 1947986;1571867421;asciilifeform;1s 1947987;1571867486;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=n75d . 1947988;1571867723;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: item is general-purpose pilot box, plz feel free to mutilate any way you like. the trb is a copy of 'zoolag', can replace w/ own favourite build, or switch off, etc. there is a nearly full chain. znc is set to smoketest knobs, if using , must reconfig. 1947989;1571867779;asciilifeform;the os is the current draft of 'asciilifeform-dulap' as earlier provided to diana_coman . 1947990;1571868429;*;asciilifeform bbl,tea. ty mp_en_viaje for taking up test pilotage. 1947991;1571869657;mp_en_viaje;well, so far nano /home/znc/.znc produces a new buffer for some reason. 1947992;1571869684;mp_en_viaje;anyway, amusingly the momment in logged into the thing the interface collapsed. 1947993;1571870042;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, i really dun have the timeslot here to much fuck with rando systems, diddle configs, set up whatevers. 1947994;1571870042;mp_en_viaje;i'm not against zncing through your own machine so you can piggy-back test on what you suppose is ddos (but isn't) ; but the utility to me just about zilch -- for one thing if czech tubes take a break, i'll lose the znc connection just as well as i lose the direct. i suppose it'd save on revoicing, but honestly i have that setup to be entirely painless as it is, 1s op. 1947995;1571870042;mp_en_viaje;so the only way this can happen is if it can happen with a coupla edits, five minutes sorta thing. 1947996;1571870215;mp_en_viaje;(i do note that your 400byte letter omitted the string 65:75:33:c8:8d:95:9f:78:75:0e:06:d3:50:cd:21:71 or anything like it, which is plain silly ; but anyways. srsly now folks, do insert the fps, it hurts nothing aite) 1947997;1571871284;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: very good pt re fp! i'ma put it in the standard preflight checklist. 1947998;1571871350;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: if after all you dun need a znc , leave the thing switched on, i'ma reformat when next test pilot volunteers, until then will run trb , i want proper test of trb perf on apu1. but if you decide you want a znc, su znc ; znc -c will run promptistic configurator. then reboot, and you'll have it. 1947999;1571871447;asciilifeform;re ddos -- possibly there aint any ddos : 1948000;1571871449;asciilifeform;!q uptime 1948001;1571871449;snsabot;asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 0d 21h 15m 1948002;1571871476;asciilifeform;( ddos got tired, went home ? nfi ) 1948003;1571871621;BingoBoingo;Dubya style "Mission Accomplished?" 1948004;1571871630;asciilifeform;lol 1948005;1571871678;BingoBoingo;There is the very live possibility after today's meeting that the internet weather had nothing to do with us as a primary target. 1948006;1571871715;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i dun recall seeing any hard evidence that it did, aha 1948007;1571871731;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Some of the graphs hinted at this, but... 1948008;1571871788;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: iirc the earlier dpb ddos was genuine. oughta have properly turned on the heat then, thinking about it. 1948009;1571872102;BingoBoingo;Maybe? Maybe the happy accidents that followed would have never happened. 1948010;1571872152;BingoBoingo;The happy accidents being the managerial shitshow with the cooling, etc 1948011;1571872231;asciilifeform;reminds me, i have a still-sealed crate w/ temperature logger... 1948012;1571874683;feedbot;http://bingology.net/2019/10/23/notes-from-the-second-meeting-with-counsel-or-what-i-have-come-to-expect-from-urugauyos-in-offices/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Notes From The Second Meeting With Counsel Or What I Have Come To Expect From Urugauyos In Offices 1948013;1571874708;BingoBoingo;^ asciilifeform mod6 et al. Note screw has been now been turned using lawyer interviewed Monday. 1948014;1571874775;BingoBoingo;At this point we are not bound to any further legal expenses yet. 1948015;1571877268;mod6;thx BingoBoingo: will read. 1948016;1571877975;BingoBoingo;mod6: ty 1948017;1571887495;asciilifeform;aaand that noad ( 205.134.172.4 , mp's demo box ) synced. 500+ blox in <5h, notbad. 1948018;1571887655;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: pretty interesting post. seems to be exactly as mp predicted. 1948019;1571899978;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947931 - this is something I end up asking for ~each time I get a new server; not sure why it's always forgotten. 1948020;1571899979;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-23 19:40:53 mp_en_viaje: (i do note that your 400byte letter omitted the string 65:75:33:c8:8d:95:9f:78:75:0e:06:d3:50:cd:21:71 or anything like it, which is plain silly ; but anyways. srsly now folks, do insert the fps, it hurts nothing aite) 1948021;1571900117;diana_coman;BingoBoingo: fwiw those new lawyers sound worse-than-useless to me, the type that will do their fixed and ineffective act but on your money. 1948022;1571903420;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947811 <-- me too, though not sure when (if) that's going to happen. fwiw, I'm also using current saltmine to steal experience standing up systems, though that practice is slowly on its way to getting killed here as well, as intelisms (on the hw side) and kubernetes (on the sw) start gaining ground 1948023;1571903421;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-23 11:10:55 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947786 << i'd luvv to see an l1 rack in ro, spyked ! keep in mind tho that asciilifeform 'cheats', has long existing experience buying irons, automated filler for rk's, many yrs in salt mines where set up, maintained, racks of irons, networkisms. 1948024;1571903421;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-23 08:07:58 spyked: asciilifeform, btw, how much money+time did you invest in this so far? and how much of that went on e.g. iron? this kind of stuff is useful first and foremost for you to review, but e.g. if I decide to start something similar in bucharest 1yr from now, it'd be hugely useful as a comparison point 1948025;1571903742;spyked;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947814 <-- not sure what's gained by this, other than making sure that the [http://thetarpit.org/2019/vpl-v-patch-syncing-bug-fix?b=mind-boggling&e=weirdness#select][mind-boggling weirdness] doesn't occur. v.pl init downloads patches and seals, so the verification process still relies on the keys already being there. tho I'll admit, wget -r is not the best 1948026;1571903743;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-23 14:12:22 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947792 << i also never used. in my eyes it smacked of 'svn', 'git', similar barbarisms; imho vpatches oughta be downloaded by hand, carefully, rather than to rely on mechanical 'load'em all' tricks. 1948027;1571903749;spyked; tool for this either way 1948028;1571903768;spyked;mornin' mp_en_viaje 1948029;1571903771;mp_en_viaje;heya spyked 1948030;1571903853;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947933 << meanwhile did a 2nd pass, the result thereof should hit the rss feeds in a few mins. but yes ima leave it switched on. 1948031;1571903853;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-23 19:59:48 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: if after all you dun need a znc , leave the thing switched on, i'ma reformat when next test pilot volunteers, until then will run trb , i want proper test of trb perf on apu1. but if you decide you want a znc, su znc ; znc -c will run promptistic configurator. then reboot, and you'll have it. 1948032;1571904116;mp_en_viaje;re http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947933 leaving aside how it belonged in the orig thing, not as an afterthought, and focusing on the znc -c thing : there is a GREAT advantage of www-for-config over command-line-for-config that can not be underscored enough : 1948033;1571904116;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-23 19:59:48 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: if after all you dun need a znc , leave the thing switched on, i'ma reformat when next test pilot volunteers, until then will run trb , i want proper test of trb perf on apu1. but if you decide you want a znc, su znc ; znc -c will run promptistic configurator. then reboot, and you'll have it. 1948034;1571904145;mp_en_viaje;www permits you to select, visually, a few target spots in a sea of possible target spots with default populations ; command line takes you through a serialization of the same thing. 1948035;1571904249;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947852 <-- quite. I did a search for cl jobs a coupla years ago and... [http://archive.is/gRu6M][derp] (wtf, it took 10 mins to archive this) 1948036;1571904250;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-23 13:56:34 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947779 << this might even make the first time anyone was hired to do lisp work in like... fifty years. 1948037;1571904313;mp_en_viaje;it can be argued that this is the ~principal~ utility of www in the first place, that it permits things such as "reading trilema" only as a 2ndary bolt on. what it's for is to turn a [thewhet.net/2019/03/hanbots-cuntoo-bake-test-notes-part-iv/?b=pedantic&e=white-knuckling#select][half hour trudge] into a five second job. 1948038;1571904329;mp_en_viaje;spyked, i suspect archive.is may be going south. 1948039;1571904428;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947756 << lest this passes forgotten into the logs : other people are ~other people~, not supporting cast for your insanity. "hiring" is not this process whereby you scare up a scapegoat for later, what, you'll "hire" him for the job of being later "promoted in the field" to do a job you don't know how to do and are too petrified to try, child toeing the water from the safety of the shore ? 1948040;1571904428;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-22 18:54:30 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: re those '200 hrs' , if there are actually 200hr/mo required for any part of this, i'ma have to hire ( BingoBoingo ?? ) an assistant. i dun have 200h/mo hidden up sleeve. 1948041;1571904499;mp_en_viaje;delegation works on tasks you've mastered, not on tasks you've no fucking idea how to do. there's a great component of "get hired aka apprentice with masters" in tmsr, don't fuck it up with dumb lazy [http://trilema.com/2019/margaret-cavendish-retard-of-newcastle-upon-tyne/?b=Here&e=another%20example#select][precious cuntlet antics] 1948042;1571904513;mp_en_viaje;hire someone when you're excellent at the job, not when you have nfi how to do it. 1948043;1571904575;spyked;mp_en_viaje, it does this once in a while: the archival job is placed in a wait-queue and takes a while to process. problem is that this worked only on the 2nd try, 1st one returned a 503. so prolly they're overloaded or something. 1948044;1571904602;mp_en_viaje;possibly. it's been underperforming systematically and ramping up to my eye. 1948045;1571904856;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/how-what-not-to-do/ << Trilema -- How what not to do. 1948046;1571922012;feedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2019/10/24/a-gulp-of-filthy-isp-waters/ << Ossa Sepia -- A Gulp of Filthy ISP Waters 1948047;1571928042;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: ty, baking a reply to the comment. I was not entirely without that suspicion. They just hit so many of the local "Flavor of Aunt dumb filters" that the tone of the brain dump was overpowered by that. 1948048;1571929232;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-24#1947954 << always forgotten ? or only i forgot. ( looked in archive, and in fact when mp gave me boxes he always remembered to fp. it's quite necessary. ) 1948049;1571929232;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-24 06:52:51 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947931 - this is something I end up asking for ~each time I get a new server; not sure why it's always forgotten. 1948050;1571929232;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-23 19:40:53 mp_en_viaje: (i do note that your 400byte letter omitted the string 65:75:33:c8:8d:95:9f:78:75:0e:06:d3:50:cd:21:71 or anything like it, which is plain silly ; but anyways. srsly now folks, do insert the fps, it hurts nothing aite) 1948051;1571929591;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-24#1947965 << [http://trilema.com/2019/how-what-not-to-do/#comment-131941][answr'd] . 1948052;1571929591;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-24 07:57:25 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947933 << meanwhile did a 2nd pass, the result thereof should hit the rss feeds in a few mins. but yes ima leave it switched on. 1948053;1571929592;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-23 19:59:48 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: if after all you dun need a znc , leave the thing switched on, i'ma reformat when next test pilot volunteers, until then will run trb , i want proper test of trb perf on apu1. but if you decide you want a znc, su znc ; znc -c will run promptistic configurator. then reboot, and you'll have it. 1948054;1571929830;diana_coman;asciilifeform: yes, mp always remembers it; he's been so far the exception though ( I had to ask for the fp from pizarro; I had to ask for it from mivocloud etc); still unclear how is this detailed account relevant but anyways. 1948055;1571929889;asciilifeform;diana_coman: how which relevant ? 1948056;1571929945;diana_coman;asciilifeform: the exact list of who forgot when or if "only i forgot". 1948057;1571930054;*;diana_coman will bbl 1948058;1571930208;*;asciilifeform admits that slightly surprised that neither mp_en_viaje nor diana_coman made the yet-darker criticism, i.e. 'what is even the use of ssh fp on box w/out trng' 1948059;1571930497;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-24#1947977 << this holds in context of apprenticeship, but where else ? hire auto mechanic only if you are auto mechanic yourself ?! 1948060;1571930498;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-24 08:08:26 mp_en_viaje: hire someone when you're excellent at the job, not when you have nfi how to do it. 1948061;1571931040;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-24#1947981 << i admit that actually surprised that none of'em (at least as chronicled) answered diana_coman with 'just how many boxes are you planning to buy, that you are also asking us to convert to new religion ?' 1948062;1571931041;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-24 13:00:05 feedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2019/10/24/a-gulp-of-filthy-isp-waters/ << Ossa Sepia -- A Gulp of Filthy ISP Waters 1948063;1571931242;asciilifeform;fwiw when heathens are asked to do the things they actually advertise, sometimes very good service. e.g. asciilifeform asked coloco at 0hrs to fix [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947763][this] [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947911][nonsense] , and by 0300 hrs they ~did~ fix. genuine 24/7 repair, i was impressed. 1948064;1571931243;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-23 01:02:38 asciilifeform: discovered today -- similarly to [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-20#1947200][earlier find] -- that his new ip range once housed a (long-dead) 'nudecelebritease.com' . 1948065;1571931243;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-23 21:42:00 asciilifeform: loox at what the heathen noad registry thinks the domain is... and [https://bitnodes.earn.com/nodes/205.134.172.4-8333/][lolwtf] 1948066;1571931243;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-20 14:51:29 mp_en_viaje: people ~never change the machine names ; websites come and go. so i'd say 1/3 to 1/2 of the internet's like that. 1948067;1571931332;BingoBoingo;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-24#1947956 << This is incredibly common among the local shingle hangers. Kinda why despite seeming to care more for the damned's interests that my own... I wanted other folks to read that into the situation before saying the words myself. 1948068;1571931333;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-24 03:59:17 diana_coman: BingoBoingo: fwiw those new lawyers sound worse-than-useless to me, the type that will do their fixed and ineffective act but on your money. 1948069;1571931459;BingoBoingo;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-24#1947953 << 3 to 4 years is an extreme outlier locally, would require marching through all the appellate courts with an intensity normally only PIT-CNT (Local Labor Mother Organization) and foreign (i.e. with money) investors have the endurance for. 1948070;1571931459;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-24 00:31:34 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: pretty interesting post. seems to be exactly as mp predicted. 1948071;1571931618;BingoBoingo;Surveying the local lawyers, most... to the extent they specialize stick to the popular bread and butter of family law, criminal defense, real estate (construction and rental as sub specialties), and the most routine sorts of contracts. 1948072;1571931773;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: mp did warn, that the only way to get ~genuine~ (vs 'meal ticket') legal service is to retain and groom for loyalty a trusted specialist for yrs. 1948073;1571931931;asciilifeform;and this still only worx if sumthing like sane jurisdiction, ~and~ troo specialist, ~and~ actually loyal... 1948074;1571932011;asciilifeform;...and if you actually have the budget to even try. 1948075;1571932073;*;asciilifeform brb,tea 1948076;1571932325;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I came into the first one through having paid them for sit down to discuss the residency process. Things never got further than paying fot the sit down in that case as their rate for help with places I have to go myself anyways was rather rich for the task, but they were incredibly responsive and un-Uruguayo. I hope I left them with the impression that I pay for value. 1948077;1571932444;BingoBoingo;Other than the offering of coffee from one of those pod-machines, the office cultures observed could not be more different. 1948078;1571932497;BingoBoingo;Then there's the specialist gringo/Brit firms advertising to the "escape out of the US for the Switzerland of the Americas" scam crowd. 1948079;1571932526;BingoBoingo;Which are different and unsuited to any actual task, the want more for even less than the Uruguayos. 1948080;1571932658;BingoBoingo;The impression I got from the guy Monday is that he, personally, was bored for a want of interesting work. 1948081;1571933242;BingoBoingo;And he seems to have a motivation to perform to spec in order to get more business referred to him. 1948082;1571933426;BingoBoingo;As I was saying, very un-Uruguayo office culture. It's not as ideal as a cultivated relationship with an independent, but for my failure to have that... this seems to be the next best option for having leverage. 1948083;1571933863;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-24#1947996 - that would have been such an outlier reply that I'd have at least taken the time to both talk in more detail to the guy AND report it for sure; can confirm: no, nobody came anywhere close to replying such a thing. 1948084;1571933864;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-24 12:34:42 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-24#1947981 << i admit that actually surprised that none of'em (at least as chronicled) answered diana_coman with 'just how many boxes are you planning to buy, that you are also asking us to convert to new religion ?' 1948085;1571933864;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-24 13:00:05 feedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2019/10/24/a-gulp-of-filthy-isp-waters/ << Ossa Sepia -- A Gulp of Filthy ISP Waters 1948086;1571933933;diana_coman;I really suspect this would have been an asciilifeform-like reply only, though. 1948087;1571933987;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-24#1947998 - yes, sometimes namely when it fits/is easy given their current setup and so on; certainly. 1948088;1571933987;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-24 12:38:04 asciilifeform: fwiw when heathens are asked to do the things they actually advertise, sometimes very good service. e.g. asciilifeform asked coloco at 0hrs to fix [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947763][this] [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947911][nonsense] , and by 0300 hrs they ~did~ fix. genuine 24/7 repair, i was impressed. 1948089;1571933987;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-23 01:02:38 asciilifeform: discovered today -- similarly to [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-20#1947200][earlier find] -- that his new ip range once housed a (long-dead) 'nudecelebritease.com' . 1948090;1571933987;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-23 21:42:00 asciilifeform: loox at what the heathen noad registry thinks the domain is... and [https://bitnodes.earn.com/nodes/205.134.172.4-8333/][lolwtf] 1948091;1571933988;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-20 14:51:29 mp_en_viaje: people ~never change the machine names ; websites come and go. so i'd say 1/3 to 1/2 of the internet's like that. 1948092;1571934736;mod6;BingoBoingo: Caught up on the comments from yesterdays post. Does seem like the 1st guy is the better option here. 1948093;1571934752;BingoBoingo;mod6: Overwhelmingly so. 1948094;1571934773;mod6;If I read between the lines, sounds like the telegram has been sent? Or am I mis-reading what "screws" means? 1948095;1571934798;BingoBoingo;Second set of stooges present themselves as good as aligned with the enemy. 1948096;1571934801;BingoBoingo;mod6: Yes 1948097;1571934806;BingoBoingo;Sent 1948098;1571934860;mod6;What does the first guy think the next steps should be here? 1948099;1571934943;BingoBoingo;Continue being a model plaintiff while standing in front of the arrayed tools which are absolutely ready to disproportionately impose costs on the damned faster than they are acrued. 1948100;1571934949;BingoBoingo;On my end. 1948101;1571935006;mod6;It sounds like you have formally retained the 1st guy as our lawyer, is this correct? 1948102;1571935015;asciilifeform;^ was how i read it also 1948103;1571935016;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-24#1947996 - also, wouldn't this have belonged as a comment there really? or some reason to comment on... feedbot's announcements? 1948104;1571935017;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-24 12:34:42 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-24#1947981 << i admit that actually surprised that none of'em (at least as chronicled) answered diana_coman with 'just how many boxes are you planning to buy, that you are also asking us to convert to new religion ?' 1948105;1571935017;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-24 13:00:05 feedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2019/10/24/a-gulp-of-filthy-isp-waters/ << Ossa Sepia -- A Gulp of Filthy ISP Waters 1948106;1571935027;BingoBoingo;mod6: Retained no. It is a pay as needed situation. 1948107;1571935045;mod6;Ok, but he knows that he's basically our guy now? 1948108;1571935065;asciilifeform;diana_coman: do you have feedbot-comments set up ? ( i for instance do not, yet, tho afaik after recent fix my www supports comment-rss ) 1948109;1571935112;BingoBoingo;mod6: He knows I was/am auditioning other counsel too, but is willing to act in order to preserve my advantage in tiempos. 1948110;1571935125;mod6;Gotcha. 1948111;1571935151;diana_coman;asciilifeform: no, but why not just comment there? 1948112;1571935184;diana_coman;I'm just puzzled by the choice, nothing more. 1948113;1571935194;asciilifeform;diana_coman: noted, henceforth will comment there. ( in asciilifeform's pov is easier to follow comments in log, but really decision of author ) 1948114;1571935199;mod6;So it sounds like the third group is more in the audit business; are there other 'auditions' already setup, or a few that you are in discussion with currently, or have targeted for discussion? 1948115;1571935223;diana_coman;asciilifeform: uhm, do you mean that blog-comments belong in the #t logs? 1948116;1571935237;BingoBoingo;mod6: The third one fell apart when they mentioned they were audit specialists and got very Uruguayo. At this moment I have no other auditions lined up. 1948117;1571935253;mod6;Alrighty. 1948118;1571935314;diana_coman;asciilifeform: ah, and now I think I got what you meant earlier re feedbot-comments and yes: I have feedbot announcing to me in private the comments on my blog too, certainly; works great, too! 1948119;1571935320;BingoBoingo;I am confident that if the first guy was in the US, his hourly... would be far higher. 1948120;1571935341;asciilifeform;diana_coman: typically (esp. folx who can't be arsed to xor 2 #s..) comment re my own text in log, rather than on www. so got habit of this. but yer right, comments oughta go on orig piece. 1948121;1571935372;asciilifeform;!Qlater tell spyked can you add my www to feedbot-commentism roster plox ? ty 1948122;1571935373;lobbesbot;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1948123;1571935395;mod6;So while you're just 'continuing to be a model plaintiff...', is the idea that our lawyer is going to review the facts from the compiled case-file/complaint that you've gathered while he gets his complaint strategy in order? As my assumption is that he'll want to have a meeting with 'the damned' and their lawyers before filing a motion with the court? 1948124;1571935443;asciilifeform;mod6: afaik (ianal!) is how settlements are made, by 'meeting with the damned' 1948125;1571935445;diana_coman;asciilifeform: all you need to do is to tell feedbot !1 follow loper-os/comments/feed or whatever the rss is; re your blog I suspect the comments-in-here is precisely because of the xor hurdle. 1948126;1571935510;asciilifeform;diana_coman: will do. ( as for spam trap, until i actually get chance to move my www to mp's wp system, the spam trap stays, i dun have slaves to filter the 400+ spamolas was getting erry day prior to installation of traps ) 1948127;1571935532;mod6;asciilifeform: werd, just trying to get clairification on what's expected, next steps. Perhaps we can continue to clean up Piz while BB may have some laywer-downtime for a few days. 1948128;1571935552;BingoBoingo;mod6: His mission in communicating with the damned is making the hopelessness of their situation clear. To this end his is to use every tool available to make it clear that no matter what, the damned will pay far more than the remainder of the contract. After that... you know what they say about plans and contact with the enemy... 1948129;1571935567;diana_coman;asciilifeform: mah, I got that wrong, it was !1 subscribe not follow. 1948130;1571935621;asciilifeform;diana_coman: ty. ( further re traps, imho e.g. python -c "print 11 ^ 77" aint much of hurdle ) 1948131;1571935665;mod6;BingoBoingo: What does his timeline look like on this, did he give you any kind of estimate to when he would begin 'communication with the damned'? 1948132;1571935672;BingoBoingo;mod6: If the damned refuses to settle costs WILL be imposed on them. How many and what kind depend on how annoyingly they continue to demonstrate badfaith. 1948133;1571935681;BingoBoingo;mod6: With the telegram he opened communications 1948134;1571935697;BingoBoingo;Much of the timeline depends on how dumb and bad at math the damned is. 1948135;1571935699;mod6;I see. 1948136;1571935753;mod6;Thanks for the info. Sounds like he'll be letting you know, updating you on a regular basis as to what he's hears, etc. 1948137;1571935753;BingoBoingo;Contact with the enemy and all that. Anyways, there are ways to inflict costs on the damned without actually suing over the civil matter. Like a criminal fraud complaint. 1948138;1571935761;BingoBoingo;mod6: Very much so. 1948139;1571935783;mod6;*nod* gotcha. 1948140;1571935795;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: if the inflicted-costs aint even detectable except over geological timespam, tho, it dun do much for us 1948141;1571935802;asciilifeform;*timespan 1948142;1571935838;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Second order effects. Very relevant to the damned, and they will accrue costs very quickly. 1948143;1571935884;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: and iirc you already filed the fraud complaint, neh ? 1948144;1571935908;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I filed the police report for the apparent theft. The officer read the potential for fraud into my narrative. 1948145;1571935962;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: but the fraud wasn't actually in the text of the 1st ? so then gotta file 2nd 1948146;1571936037;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: All that went into the first "hecho policial" was what the officer read out of mine narrative, not what I actually wrote. The second, far more damaging to the damned complaint comes if they refuse to deal and contain their liability. 1948147;1571936122;BingoBoingo;If the truly damaging denuncia is filed before they can sit down... kinda spoils the sitting down. Once a denuncia is filed it goes to the local prosecutors office. 1948148;1571936138;asciilifeform;a, logical. 1948149;1571936283;BingoBoingo;The Monday guy, through his holding down the Montevideo outpost of an international... He benefits from big firm forced professional development. He know the ways Uruguay sucks compared to the outside world and the ways it doesn't because he's been forced to travel. 1948150;1571936372;BingoBoingo;The meeting with him also opened with a FAR harder grilling than the meeting with apparently opposition counsel did. 1948151;1571936547;mod6;Would this be a good time to calculate, then refund Piz customers who've paid in advance? 1948152;1571936559;mod6;As well as S.NSA? 1948153;1571936622;BingoBoingo;mod6: This weekend I hope to get the opportunity to sit down and do the accounting. Last weekend my hope to do so was beaten by time consuming yet time sensitive legaling. 1948154;1571936656;mod6;Sounds good, take the time you need to review it all, etc. Seems sensible. 1948155;1571936703;BingoBoingo;Pretty sure I said this before, but is was nice to be able to read the whole of this country's penal code in a few hours. 1948156;1571936724;asciilifeform;mod6, BingoBoingo : afaik the refund for subscribers is the 1 equation w/out any unknowns. so oughta happen as soon as BingoBoingo is ready. 1948157;1571936740;mod6;asciilifeform: Ya. 1948158;1571936743;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/10/iraq-pleas-for-international-assistance-removing-us-troops-following-syria-withdrawal/ << Qntra -- Iraq Pleas For International Assistance Removing US Troops Following Syria Withdrawal 1948159;1571936745;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The refund for subscribers is their customer equity. 1948160;1571936759;mod6;BingoBoingo: yeah, I recall you finding that part refreshing (re: penal code) 1948161;1571936776;BingoBoingo;Civil code longer, but it also holds all the family law. 1948162;1571936790;BingoBoingo;And most of the construction code. 1948163;1571936911;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo, mod6 : thinking about it, i realized i have nfi what the priority order of creditors is. thought, 'customers go 1st' strictly from example of bitbet unwind. 1948164;1571936948;mod6;I'm not 100% positive either, but if feels like that's the right thing. 1948165;1571936951;mod6;*it 1948166;1571937189;mod6;I'm sure MP will be instructive on this part. 1948167;1571937350;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I will get the numbers, but my naive understanding is debt before equity. Customers before other equity. But first I have to do the numbers. 1948168;1571937390;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: do the books, but imho oughta get mp's pov before actually paying anyone. 1948169;1571937395;BingoBoingo;Right 1948170;1571937399;mod6;Yeah, correct. 1948171;1571937533;*;BingoBoingo prepping to go work the legs 1948172;1571937553;*;mod6 food time. bbl. 1948173;1571939743;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i rewrote comment and posted where belongs. 1948174;1571940458;asciilifeform;unrelatedly : seems 213.109.238.156 is new trb noad, in kiev ? who built? seems to actually work, a++ 1948175;1571943088;diana_coman;asciilifeform: thank you, that comment certainly works better there (and answered!); no idea re node in kiev. 1948176;1571946088;asciilifeform;also unrelatedly, but imho interesting : apparently [http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=I9i-]['mivocloud' hangs off a euro branch office of same carrier as asciilifeform's chair.] 1948177;1571946166;asciilifeform;( just who owns cogent co ? anyone know ? ) 1948178;1571946239;*;asciilifeform meanwhile found a : 'Cogent Communications is a public company trading on the NASDAQ under the symbol CCOI. Cogent is headquartered in Washington, D.C., United States of America.' from horse's mouth. 1948179;1571946313;asciilifeform;aand 'Although debuting at the height of the telecom industry, Cogent soon found vast market wealth eradicated and many other ISPs thrown into a state of turmoil. In a survival of the fittest competition, Cogent became the consolidator in a consolidating market. Over three brief years, Cogent completed 13 acquisitions of other flailing providers. Whether it was an entire company or just select assets, Cogent was able to acquire valua 1948180;1571946313;asciilifeform;ble network assets, customers, peering relationships and building access agreements for pennies on the dollar.' 1948181;1571946345;asciilifeform;apparently loox like 1 of those 'usg rolls up hp, sgi, cray, and gives their shredded bones to intel to eat' affairs. 1948182;1571946379;asciilifeform;i.e. how at&t came about 100y prior. 1948183;1571946580;asciilifeform;[https://archive.is/BmT5q][source.] 1948184;1571948529;bvt;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-24#1948109 << it's mine, installed in my ancestral home (and not kiev, no). it switched from -connect to independent mode only yesterday, so i'd let it work for at least a month before advertising it as a stable node. 1948185;1571948530;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-24 18:07:31 asciilifeform: unrelatedly : seems 213.109.238.156 is new trb noad, in kiev ? who built? seems to actually work, a++ 1948186;1571948876;*;BingoBoingo had a productive day. So far. Sat down with the fellow who recommended yesterday's audition. Told him that I was letting him know as a courtesy that after the meeting I developed the strong suspicion that the recommended fellow was the other party's counsel. That I don't know how good his relationship with the fellow is, but that I do not mind, and it may even help me if he warns the fellow that in the case I have been 1948187;1571948876;*;BingoBoingo deceived... I intend to pursue the revocation of his law license through the relevant authorties. 1948188;1571949036;BingoBoingo;I was thanked for letting him know. 1948189;1571949049;BingoBoingo;All of the pressure on all of the avenues. 1948190;1571952326;*;mp_en_viaje had a great fucking time tonite. 1948191;1571952345;asciilifeform;wb mp_en_viaje 1948192;1571952347;mp_en_viaje;also look at this, "ddos". all cz interfaces are dead, solid. 1948193;1571952371;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i'm pretty much sold on 'aint no ddos, but only sad czechs' item. 1948194;1571952374;mp_en_viaje;the ddos consists of the same exact substance highway of traffic jams -- czech republic's always "ddosd" late evening 1948195;1571952390;mp_en_viaje;aha. 1948196;1571952404;mp_en_viaje;meanwhile routing through austria is, well... laggy. 1948197;1571952406;mp_en_viaje;cuz like 45 hops 1948198;1571952440;mp_en_viaje;satlink even worse. in fact, satlinks are a major pain in the fucking ass, i have nfi why even bother 1948199;1571952470;mp_en_viaje;"oh, clouds" "bitch, what ?! it's fucking clear" "oh no, no, ~ionospheric~ coulds" "fuck your mother,. 1948200;1571952491;*;asciilifeform knows folx who use'em, but is strictly because they live in the middle of woods, or at sea, where 0 other choice but to suck thumb. no one actually ~likes~ sat modem 1948201;1571952520;mp_en_viaje;i thought it was cool, last time i seriously tried one, which was like... many years ago. 1948202;1571952577;mp_en_viaje;it's not fucking cool, it's the death of a thousand cuts. 1948203;1571952625;asciilifeform;imho it's 'cool' in only the sense e.g. halon system is 'cool'. i.e. when ~need~ and nuffin else will do. at all other times horror. 1948204;1571952785;mp_en_viaje;myeah. 1948205;1571952856;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-24#1947994 << i do. 1948206;1571952856;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-24 12:25:39 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-24#1947977 << this holds in context of apprenticeship, but where else ? hire auto mechanic only if you are auto mechanic yourself ?! 1948207;1571952856;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-24 08:08:26 mp_en_viaje: hire someone when you're excellent at the job, not when you have nfi how to do it. 1948208;1571952883;mp_en_viaje;but in context of tmsr. again -- because there;s a heavy undertone here of "hire yourself out as apprentice" which i don't particularly want fucked. 1948209;1571954646;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: makes sense. 1948210;1571954752;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-24#1948009 << it's always a crapshoot. you can get counsel worth millions through springing for a $500 nothing. eminent lottery ticket, only comparable to picking up girlfriends. famously (if fantastically) frank sinatra picked up [http://trilema.com/2012/some-came-running/][the woman that died for him] through buying her a ten dollar bus ticket. 1948211;1571954752;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-24#1948056 << he's not adding it, you add it, gotta subscribe to the feed. dunno about your own setup but on mp-wp it's something like !1subscribe http://thewhet.net/comments/feed/ or such. 1948212;1571954752;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-24#1948101 << i'll sort it for you if you have a specific set that needs sorting. i dun wanna make general pronouncements, more trouble than worth. 1948213;1571954753;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-24 12:50:53 asciilifeform: ...and if you actually have the budget to even try. 1948214;1571954753;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-24 13:46:54 asciilifeform: !Qlater tell spyked can you add my www to feedbot-commentism roster plox ? ty 1948215;1571954753;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-24 14:17:11 mod6: I'm sure MP will be instructive on this part. 1948216;1571954757;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-24#1948112 << lizards & pension funds. 1948217;1571954757;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-24 16:46:49 asciilifeform: ( just who owns cogent co ? anyone know ? ) 1948218;1571954759;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-24#1948116 << ayup, precisely, usg [http://trilema.com/2015/okcupidcom-the-dating-site/#identifier_2_64404][paper asset thing], holding up a notional market. 1948219;1571954759;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-24 16:49:48 asciilifeform: apparently loox like 1 of those 'usg rolls up hp, sgi, cray, and gives their shredded bones to intel to eat' affairs. 1948220;1571954839;mp_en_viaje;neways, ima to bed. megapost tomorrow sometime, if i can dig myself out of the slutpile. have a great time erryone & all! 1948221;1571954847;asciilifeform;goodnight mp_en_viaje 1948222;1571974424;trinque;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947777 << awesome, pop into #trinque and we'll talk about it 1948223;1571974425;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-23 04:47:07 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-21#1947307 <-- defo interested and my [http://thetarpit.org/2019/work-plan-vi][schedule] is open for changes/amendments come november. I am currently working a full-time saeculum gig, so I wouldn't be able to take this as a full-time thing, but I could do this in small weekly/monthly pieces, as with previous published work. so if you think this works and I'm th 1948224;1571989498;spyked;trinque, aite 1948225;1571989498;lobbesbot;spyked: Sent 15 hours and 2 minutes ago: can you add my www to feedbot-commentism roster plox ? ty 1948226;1571989618;spyked;asciilifeform, btw, did subscribing to feedbot work? lemme know if it's giving you trouble. 1948227;1571995535;mp_en_viaje;ahhh, the fogs of prague. i'm so happy i came here in autumn, fucking beautiful. 1948228;1571995928;diana_coman;if only they also had internet in autumn ? 1948229;1571996421;diana_coman;keks 1948230;1572012986;feedbot;http://thetarpit.org/2019/decoupling-mp-wp-post-editing-from-the-www-interface << The Tar Pit -- Decoupling MP-WP post editing from the WWW interface 1948231;1572014773;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, eh, i don't think they have it any season tbh. 1948232;1572015247;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-25#1948161 << it needs another fix on my end, is going on conveyor. 1948233;1572015249;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-25 07:46:52 spyked: asciilifeform, btw, did subscribing to feedbot work? lemme know if it's giving you trouble. 1948234;1572015267;*;Bingoboingo will be attempting equipment removal today. 1948235;1572015312;Bingoboingo;This morning I had in my inbox from Maxi of the damned: "Buen día. Está bien por mí. No hay problema en proceder a dicho retiro. Ello no implica renuncia o dispensa de la obligación de cumplir plenamente la obligación de pago prevista hasta la finalización del contrato." 1948236;1572015389;mp_en_viaje;Bingoboingo, they'll prolly show up to pester you about nonsense, feel free to shrug. 1948237;1572015393;Bingoboingo;I replied by stating my lone intent today is peacefully retrieving my things, and that it seems in everyone's best interest to allow our legal empires the opportunity to discuss the other matters. Included the contract information of muh boy for their convenience and cc'd them 1948238;1572015397;asciilifeform;Bingoboingo: it's pretty strange, at least by human standards ( usually dc tried to impound gear if it thinks yer in default ) 1948239;1572015402;Bingoboingo;cc'd te attorney 1948240;1572015420;Bingoboingo;asciilifeform: Their contract lacks a retention clause. Also I am not in default with them 1948241;1572015434;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, their legal is outsourced shit, can't deal with the police report and so... they;ll takr their losses. 1948242;1572015435;asciilifeform;ah right, not for another 6d 1948243;1572015455;mp_en_viaje;which is the position here : you can shrug, you can just as well laugh in their faces. they've been bitched, it's done. 1948244;1572015457;Bingoboingo;Per the contract language on late payment this time next month would still merely be late rather than default 1948245;1572015466;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: right, seems like they're on 'indian call center' level 1948246;1572015484;mp_en_viaje;the things diana_coman was saying re dc isn't JUST dc 1948247;1572015502;mp_en_viaje;can very well walk into house of "leader of the house" in washington, piss in his plate, and "lessee what you can do, big man ?" 1948248;1572015509;Bingoboingo;My impression of their counsel is differently pinoy 1948249;1572015512;mp_en_viaje;he'll call a call center. just like any pleb upset at his washer/dryer. 1948250;1572015560;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/kotelna/ << Trilema -- Kotelna 1948251;1572015584;Bingoboingo;Just in case I will be bringing my receipt from making the "hecho policial" and the laywer's card so I can make a phone call if they are dumb enough to do something REALLY stupid. 1948252;1572015611;mp_en_viaje;it'll prolly work ~same as "free condo florida vacation", dweeby dude there in polyester shirt talking your ear off 1948253;1572015629;mp_en_viaje;orcs do a lot of thse "copies of human land extremities as ordinary business" 1948254;1572015676;Bingoboingo;Well due to orc tower hosting among other things on other floors, small country embassies... there's almost always one officer on site during business hours. 1948255;1572015716;mp_en_viaje;unless they hit you in the head with a power supply or something, you dun have what to talk about with the local cops. 1948256;1572015722;Bingoboingo;Right 1948257;1572015726;mp_en_viaje;if they don't let you go in, just go back to original sectional. 1948258;1572015736;Bingoboingo;But with the dump I've seen from them... 1948259;1572015742;Bingoboingo;*dumb 1948260;1572015754;mp_en_viaje;you don' tsign anything, or even care, feel free to disdain the rats if you like that, they might as well feel the burn of their inconsequential arrangements, 1948261;1572015771;mp_en_viaje;man willing to die for his 3 ring binder should feel the burn, not merely "conceptual death" 1948262;1572015806;mp_en_viaje;basically, they're one of those dudes with no gf tryina talk to you at the swing club. "find a hand somewhere, talk to that" 1948263;1572015869;Bingoboingo;Wait, they let those in?! 1948264;1572015953;Bingoboingo;I expectd the rule with those places to be "No pussy, No pass" 1948265;1572015961;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/kotelna-36.jpg << holyfuq, 36u rackmounted chix 1948266;1572016075;Bingoboingo;And if they guys aren't bringing pussy, I don't expect they'd be micro-MPs exempt from the rules 1948267;1572016564;mp_en_viaje;neways, i shall be off to town nao 1948268;1572016599;mp_en_viaje;Bingoboingo, they sure let them in frankfurt. socialism kills. 1948269;1572017999;Bingoboingo;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-25#1948177 << To be clear they wrote their contract in a way that allows then to charge interest specifically LIBOR + 12% on late payment rather than declaring immediate default and suspension of service. 1948270;1572018000;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-25 14:57:09 asciilifeform: ah right, not for another 6d 1948271;1572020681;Bingoboingo;Meanwhile in other local wonderings https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/-que-puede-pasar-con-el-dolar-luego-de-las-elecciones--20191024182617 1948272;1572032136;Bingoboingo;Everything is out of the cabinet in WTC 4. Uneventful other than I was received by a new face. Heavier, ginger bearded fella that had a private security/investigator look. 1948273;1572032311;Bingoboingo;There was an east indian fella working on a 1/2 cabinet. He borrowed my pliers to cut something. Did not ask why I was emptying a cabinet. 1948274;1572033391;asciilifeform;congrats Bingoboingo 1948275;1572033459;Bingoboingo;All that's left in the cabinet is their gray C13/C14 power cable 1948276;1572033501;*;asciilifeform wonders if they'll have the 'chutzpa' to 'hey, there were 14 m2 screws when you moved in and now there are 13!' etc 1948277;1572033503;Bingoboingo;And the patch panel 1948278;1572033551;Bingoboingo;asciilifeform: If that happens I will have them fedex'd or DHL'd around the block. 1948279;1572033653;Bingoboingo;And no m2 screws at all. Just oodles of my black #3 philips bolts the rack nuts eat. Rack nuts stripped as well so they can put their plastic airflow strips in. 1948280;1572033689;Bingoboingo;Rails came out MUCH easier than they went in. 1948281;1572033696;asciilifeform;Bingoboingo: interestingly, mine came w/ buncha square nuts but all for some peculiar/nonstandard screw, had to take'em all out. 1948282;1572033717;Bingoboingo;asciilifeform: This may be the same screw. I got them with the nuts. 1948283;1572033733;Bingoboingo;Or they came with the switch, QntraCase, etc 1948284;1572033751;Bingoboingo;But every single one a #3 philips 1948285;1572033768;asciilifeform;Bingoboingo: also came w/ a pdu but with 1 of those 30amp ameriplugs (90 degree prong) and could not be plugged into the new meter'd pdu, had to mothball 1948286;1572033787;asciilifeform;( why 30amp plug, when 10amp feed ? no one knows ) 1948287;1572033824;Bingoboingo;Probably because if you ask they'll wire you for 30 amps 1948288;1572033834;asciilifeform;asked about it, 'this was the prev fella's, take it' 1948289;1572033842;Bingoboingo;Ah 1948290;1572033876;asciilifeform;Bingoboingo: they only do 10a per halfcab (i.e. 20 for full), apparently . 1948291;1572033938;Bingoboingo;The 9" needle nose also is THE tool for the retaining tabs on the supermicro rails. I imagine Linesmans would also work in a pinch, mebbe 1948292;1572033943;asciilifeform;the sad dc i talked to earlier, was same. i suspect is how they meet thermal density spec. 1948293;1572033969;Bingoboingo;Well cooling makes or breaks their tier 1948294;1572033994;Bingoboingo;The wheeling back was much more challenging than either 1U trip 1948295;1572033995;asciilifeform;Bingoboingo: fwiw the place was comfortably cool, and, more unusually, quiet (i.e. could have conversation standing 2m apart) 1948296;1572034102;asciilifeform;Bingoboingo: another ameri-dc oddity -- they dun seem to have a one standard voltage. the bmore people offered strictly 208v (where else in usa 208 ?!) 1948297;1572034112;asciilifeform;coloco -- standard usa 120 1948298;1572034119;Bingoboingo;Some of the other racks in that basement closet just spit heat 1948299;1572034192;asciilifeform;erryone here seems to offer same watt/m^3 density, i suspect comes from fire code. 1948300;1572034300;Bingoboingo;asciilifeform: The damned's other halls you didn't have the chance to visit, also loud 1948301;1572034329;Bingoboingo;Basement spaces 1948302;1572034348;asciilifeform;Bingoboingo: here, 3 halls, 1 packed, 2 ~half-full, none was anywhere as hot or loud as latech at the time i went there 1948303;1572034412;Bingoboingo;asciilifeform: I expect your new home is far more resistant to fraud complaints concerning their failure to actually be a datacenter 1948304;1572034505;Bingoboingo;Judging from the size of the crowd in the humans box today, I suspect offering them contact information for the counsel I did was a surprise. 1948305;1572034614;Bingoboingo;I suspect they anticipated I would have been dumb enough to declare their boy as counsel or invite a nagfest despite... Their receipt of a certified telegram from muh boy. 1948306;1572034647;Bingoboingo;Anyways, this shit is for the blog 1948307;1572037618;asciilifeform;Bingoboingo: fwiw i was entirely fooled by latech's dressing up as 'actual datacenter', so cannot say 'yes, indeed, this is surely it'. but fwiw very diff. picture than what saw there. (e.g. each of the 3 halls is fully 4+x the size of latech's 1, and inhabited mostly by actual comps, not old 'dell's stacked in a heap, tho at least 1 halfcab in fact contained those). only time/actual usage can tell the diff b/w sham and troo dc, afai 1948308;1572037618;asciilifeform;k. 1948309;1572037768;mp_en_viaje;well the downside of al lthe travelblogging is that trilema's bustin' at the pipe seams again, da fuck i'm gonna do 1948310;1572037769;asciilifeform;Bingoboingo: the diff b/w 'troo' and untroo is in ~heads~, not irons, imho. any idjit can buy spiffy-looking irons, classy fire extinguishers, other costume props. 1948311;1572037819;Bingoboingo;mp_en_viaje: Oceanic cable? Sell "peering" relations? 1948312;1572037832;mp_en_viaje;heh 1948313;1572037835;*;asciilifeform would offer to mp_en_viaje another pilot, w/ properly written instruction manuals, but sadly cannot yet, the 'dulap' crates aint here yet, grr 1948314;1572037844;mp_en_viaje;idiots fucked tumblr now everyone's reading trilema to get their jollies off 1948315;1572037863;Bingoboingo;Well, "own goal" in sporting terms 1948316;1572037864;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, sokay, i dun intend to become youtube2 anyways. 1948317;1572037884;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: aite. but if you did, a mp_en_viaje mirror would be a++ test of pipe. 1948318;1572037965;Bingoboingo;asciilifeform: Mebbe if you were starting with more pipe 1948319;1572037985;Bingoboingo;Those photos, they add up 1948320;1572037989;asciilifeform;Bingoboingo: even the baseline pipe, came with all sortsa fancy guarantees. i'd like to find what they're actually worth. 1948321;1572038057;Bingoboingo;asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje doesn't have the problem of derp weather. He's got the problem of actually moving data. 1948322;1572038066;asciilifeform;Bingoboingo: for both. 1948323;1572038180;asciilifeform;!q uptime 1948324;1572038180;snsabot;asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 2d 19h 34m 1948325;1572038192;asciilifeform;^ too early to talk of 'unsinkable pipe' there 1948326;1572038222;asciilifeform;esp. given that there aint much load atm 1948327;1572038250;asciilifeform;( there's diana_coman , ersatz-dulap hosting http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log + bot, and a trb . ) 1948328;1572038307;asciilifeform;the trb's been keeping up better than any i've operated to date, but would be unscientific entirely to say that 3d of it mean anyffin. 1948329;1572038721;asciilifeform;the 2nd ed. of 'costs' piece is still on track for oct 27. but currently asciilifeform's conscience torments him, feels wrong to actually charge anyffin until i know whatthefuck it is that the upstream is worth. would like to persuade folx to test, like diana_coman . 1948330;1572038781;mp_en_viaje;nonsense. 1948331;1572038795;mp_en_viaje;you keep coming up with completely idiotic, spurious dependencies. 1948332;1572038876;asciilifeform;would rather read mp_en_viaje gripe about idiot dependencies than set up another titanic tho. 1948333;1572038909;mp_en_viaje;you're setting up another titanic every time you build one of these towers of non-committal. 1948334;1572039106;diana_coman;asciilifeform: you know, I already told you that I [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-20#1947240][*want to pay you*], no free testing, all right? 1948335;1572039106;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-20 16:39:24 diana_coman: works; for now I'd say the main focus is on that [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946476][business plan] ; fwiw I would totally pay asciilifeform for the hosting right from the start, can calc what it amounts too once the data is published and plan is made. 1948336;1572039204;asciilifeform;diana_coman: right, but mp_en_viaje is also right, i dun have a heavy-industry grade operation atm. possibly after successfully serving blog-grade rk's etc such as yours, for a while, can build 'tower of go-for-broke'. 1948337;1572039237;mp_en_viaje;you can say ~whatever it is, he'll listen patiently, not along, and switch right back to his one track. 1948338;1572039269;mp_en_viaje;it's like talking to one of the website process dcs, just different 3ring contents 1948339;1572039319;diana_coman;ouch 1948340;1572039431;mp_en_viaje;nod* 1948341;1572040080;asciilifeform;piz died on asciilifeform's operating table, and its corpse aint even cold yet. that's what's in asciilifeform's '3ring'. 1948342;1572040097;*;asciilifeform bbl, to get some night air. 1948343;1572045931;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/10/only-anti-war-us-presidential-candidate-in-contested-primary-quits-congressional-race-despite-long-odds/ << Qntra -- Only Anti-War US Presidential Candidate In Contested Primary Quits Congressional Race Despite Long Odds 1948344;1572050383;*;lobbes is back at home base terminal; has kept up with logs 1948345;1572052838;BingoBoingo;lobbes: Welcome back 1948346;1572053716;lobbes;ty BingoBoingo 1948347;1572062137;feedbot;http://bingology.net/2019/10/26/the-final-evacuation-of-equipment-from-premises-of-the-damned/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- The Final Evacuation Of Equipment From Premises Of The Damned 1948348;1572063203;BingoBoingo;^ asciilifeform mod6 et all 1948349;1572083151;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/the-squares-and-the-holes-2/ << Trilema -- The squares, and the holes. 1948350;1572084873;mp_en_viaje;lol BingoBoingo dc performance artist 1948351;1572085198;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, so you're actually more interested in specializing as latino paralegal ? 1948352;1572085251;mp_en_viaje;that's also a practicable avenue, erryone eg owning property will need one, the paralegal's the natural budding form of everything paperwork related, from real estate administration to govt lobbying, and the law's ~same from ag to cr. 1948353;1572085266;mp_en_viaje;ie, this is also a practicable avenue for you, if the dc thing doesn't sound out. 1948354;1572090094;diana_coman;it does sound like BingoBoingo enjoys paralegal more than datacentres at least. 1948355;1572101005;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: The prospect does seem interesting. I'd need to actually apprentice, but so far it seems paralegal may be a great fit which could keep me in LATAM. I do feel more effective in LATAM than I would anywhere the derps *have to* English 1948356;1572101471;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: It hard for me to tell at this point if that is because the sort of work in this environment is new. There may also be an element of "these derps went from freely spreading their derpligion to forming a crowd and hiding in a glass box. 1948357;1572102980;BingoBoingo;I also seem to have cut the number of meat-WoT seperating myself from legislators of various sorts 1948358;1572103056;trinque;perhaps those legislators would like to know how hard their countryman derps are making it to do business in uy 1948359;1572103145;BingoBoingo;trinque: The sort of nodes leading here that I've been cultivating are of the sort that want to open the foreign money floodgates by cutting old woman wank out 1948360;1572103164;trinque;as they should 1948361;1572103255;BingoBoingo;trinque: Well, why would I close the gap with Commies, socialists, Maoists, and Pol Potists when there's a servicable party which is both "Orgulloso blanco" and nationalist 1948362;1572103397;BingoBoingo;My routine when encountering new folks distributing national party voting lists that aren't bored kids working for Sartori is 1. They offer me their list. 2. I flash the 404 list "Ya tengo, pero gracias porque estas ayudando el paisito" 1948363;1572103403;BingoBoingo;Conversation happens from there. 1948364;1572103537;BingoBoingo;It slows down getting from point A to point B, and this mostly puts me in contact with older 40 to retired-ish folks. However, the big effect is it sucks all the energy out of the nearby socialists trying to hand out their lists. 1948365;1572103715;BingoBoingo;Now, pamphleteers from the various commie groups along with the dying "Colorado" party get the flash 404 list "Ya tengo" routine as well. Monday and Wednesday they got it all the way from the old city to Montevideo Shopping. 1948366;1572103985;BingoBoingo;trinque: Now the big problem Uruguay's had is that the Fat Foreheads are a coalition. This means that while each constituent sector has socialisms they want to push and areas they want to give room for takeable money to build up, the coalition aspect and retard bias towards hugging means that when they go to deal... Internally as a coalition they sacrifice the breathing room for business entirely and instead do a little bit of each kind 1948367;1572103985;BingoBoingo;of evil socialism. 1948368;1572104277;trinque;this doesn't shock me terribly. 1948369;1572104314;BingoBoingo;I don't expect it can 1948370;1572104448;BingoBoingo;Anyways, I've been feeding folks here the idea "It must be very bad for business if the Government has to make deals with big companies individually. Imagine all the small and medium businesses that can not y will not bring jobs because the Fat Forehead government would have to negotiate individually y vivimos en el paisito. 1948371;1572105040;BingoBoingo;trinque: I want to thank you again for the kick into action a week ago. I have had limited direct contact with damned this week, but it seems that Yesterday is the day it clicked for them as to just how absolutely fucked they can be. 1948372;1572105070;trinque;if we don't learn from each other, what republic 1948373;1572105187;BingoBoingo;Thanks to the papers left with their apparent counsel on Wednesday they have the long narrative I brough to the police which was summarized into the officer's much shorter "hecho policial." A narrative in which I spent hours making absolutely sure I did not perjure myself, referencing our correspondence and their marketing materials thoroughly. 1948374;1572105282;trinque;cool, if they have any sense they won't want to duke it out over a few months of 1 rack. 1948375;1572105326;trinque;not that you should assume sense will suddenly flower in, as you put it, the damned. 1948376;1572105348;BingoBoingo;trinque: Their pretense to that seems empty at this point. The question seems to be more along the lines of what they will pay to not have a ready baked fraud case delivered to the local prosecutors. 1948377;1572105519;BingoBoingo;My only reservation about defending against a potential suit from them is locating a very traditional, Southern, and genteel seersucker suit to wear while vamping about the courtroom. 1948378;1572105811;trinque;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946771 << just remember, the "court" is itself an extraction machine. 1948379;1572105812;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-19 08:01:31 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946702 << let it be observed, since we're here, the INTRICATE way in which socialism perpetuates itself. by getting you to believe the whole "intelectual property" claptrap, it gets you to ~volunteer~ for tax in one of its principal tax halls. and it's not even the money tax that's interesting, all the personal service tax, where you pay homage and pay court upon a 1948380;1572105812;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-19 01:12:27 trinque: in my case a chap stole from me, gave to an enemy. I was enraged. 1948381;1572105870;trinque;probably best outcome is to bring it quickly to a close, and then see if you can work for the best of the lawyers you met. 1948382;1572105911;BingoBoingo;trinque: It is indeed. As mentioned in the post however, defending a very unlikely suit from them would be very inexpensive in monetary terms to me. Pursuing a suit is the expensive direction. 1948383;1572105925;BingoBoingo;At least here. 1948384;1572105997;BingoBoingo;Before the actual suits hit the docket there's a mandatory arbitration attempt stage where their suit would almost certainly die. 1948385;1572106113;BingoBoingo;"Qué significa 99.98 y 99.99 en minutos de falta cada mes? En estes correos donde Ustds. mostraron "buene fé?" And from there on stay attached to the neck by the teeth. 1948386;1572106194;BingoBoingo;50/50 chance it gets dismissed right there and 1/2 to 3/4 of their potential maximum upside by pursuing action has been blown then and there. They have to be extraordinarily bad at math. 1948387;1572106260;BingoBoingo;Also once the suspicions about the Wednesday meeting are confirmed, an attack on licenses is also practically free except for my time. 1948388;1572106329;trinque;I'm familiar with this "practically free" so from this point forward I'm going to popcorn and cheer you on. Just remember when to pull out, lest ya spurt in the wrong bitch. 1948389;1572106354;trinque;meant to *not familiar, but it works both ways. 1948390;1572106403;BingoBoingo;If I fuck up too bad LATAM is a big place. One of the dictatorship/military fellows facing "Operation Condor" charges from the 1970s routinely goes in and out of the country much to the chargrin of local competent authorities. 1948391;1572106461;BingoBoingo;I have low expectations of anyone's ability to be compelled into paying here. Inflicting costs however is the pressure avenue. 1948392;1572106726;trinque;right. my experience has been that the poor will, failing all else, shit themselves if it gets shit on you also. 1948393;1572106778;trinque;like any other animal 1948394;1572106889;BingoBoingo;I am confident their spending in legal costs and their own payroll hours has already crossed into the low 4 figures. The expenses related to the ginger if hired from outside their own organization was at least 150 US for the time I was there. He wasn't the typical Securitas et al put on a uniform and walk around or sit in a guard booth type. 1948395;1572107008;BingoBoingo;This week money going to counsel for their time, the telegram, and VAT summed to 167 USD. 1948396;1572107066;BingoBoingo;Which means counsel in this case so far is within about 20-25 ish percent of what was spent on a laser printer 1948397;1572107171;BingoBoingo;To this point, costs have been very asymmetrical. 1948398;1572107178;trinque;maybe this case will be instructive for me in how much more wasteful common law systems are compared to Roman law. willing to observe and learn. 1948399;1572107257;BingoBoingo;trinque: Actual court workings are likely similarly insane, but the law itself is much more clear. The entirety of the criminal code was read last Saturday. 1948400;1572107329;BingoBoingo;Only parts of it are still loaded into the brain, but doing that was a big Holy Shit moment. 1948401;1572107501;BingoBoingo;The Civil Code may be a man clumsily trying to make sense of the world, but it was the work of one man living in a country that had a population under 100,000. Previously dispute resolution happened through dueling and feuding. 1948402;1572107572;*;asciilifeform expects to spend most of today writing, but following thread 1948403;1572107604;BingoBoingo;Common law systems allow entering precendent all the way back to when the Anglo fuckers on retard island decided to make their law a sort of talmudic type study done sloppily. 1948404;1572107611;asciilifeform;( unrelatedly, noticed this morning that (for 1st time?) all the trb noades known to asciilifeform , are properly synced ) 1948405;1572107677;BingoBoingo;For that practicing in common law means the law itself is at least as ambiguous as the facts of the case through history rapidly increasing the complexity as they system is used. 1948406;1572107727;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: afaik, anglo 'law' is ~100% [https://archive.is/llNDU][this]. ( and, as superset, [http://trilema.com/2013/the-sops-or-what-might-you-expect-from-government-clerks/][mp's description.] ) 1948407;1572107777;BingoBoingo;In the roman law system the law is clear, and more time can be spent on the facts. There are appelate courts to consider corner cases and weird not contemplated or ambiguously handled by the codes, but... the incentive to derp your way into rewriting law in a particular case is nearly non-existent. 1948408;1572107878;BingoBoingo;Yes, this does mean the bureaucrats and stamp affixing class gets more relative weight in the Roman Law system. In absolute terms though their weight appears to remain the same while the common law derpery is just morbidly obese in general. 1948409;1572107962;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: In this system "escribano", notarization is its own law course of roughly the same duration and intensity as the lawyering one. 1948410;1572107975;BingoBoingo;They do take the stamping and rituals seriously 1948411;1572108026;asciilifeform;strong sovok flavour. 1948412;1572108060;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Based on MP's survey the world's remains all stink of Sovok or worse today. 1948413;1572108082;*;asciilifeform recalls as a 3yo playing w/ grandfather's set of rubber stamps; no fewer than dozen, and in astonishing variety of shapes/sizes 1948414;1572108241;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: At some point I will have to check the Rockchips for casualties. The load shifting on the way out of Latecho had the RK plant take some paint off of the smaller switch which had served it. 1948415;1572108252;BingoBoingo;But RK health seems a low priority at present 1948416;1572108278;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: they were the cheapest thing in there, right after screws and hoses, dun worry about'em. 1948417;1572108437;BingoBoingo;I suspect most of the cabling including the surprisingly cheap for their weight C13/14 power cables will be disposed of via the "Free to a good home" device more commonly used with puppies 1948418;1572108595;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it's prolly -ev to even spend 5min thinking about what to do w/ those. 1948419;1572108673;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: unless that pile actually occupies considerably space in your quarters, and you find yerself tripping over it -- just hold on to'em, you never know when need to tie a suitcase etc. 1948420;1572108679;asciilifeform;*considerable 1948421;1572108858;BingoBoingo;At present they are contained in the hard plastic former bilge box exerting a kilo or two of pressure against the boxes closure tabs. It kinda seems like a waste of perfectly good box. 1948422;1572108924;BingoBoingo;Maybe keep a couple just because, but... 1948423;1572109332;BingoBoingo;No way in hell are all those flying anywhere. 1948424;1572110310;trinque;brb, moving weechat to new home. 1948425;1572110932;BingoBoingo;Welcome back trinque 1948426;1572110997;*;trinque tips hat 1948427;1572125088;*;asciilifeform meanwhile took delivery of 40kg crate containing 2 'dulap'. won't touch'em tho until wrap up current article. 1948428;1572125307;BingoBoingo;Nice 1948429;1572125463;asciilifeform;irons, BingoBoingo , are the easiest part of all of this. 1948430;1572125484;BingoBoingo;In your location they are indeed. 1948431;1572125493;asciilifeform;i suspect even in other locations. 1948432;1572125564;BingoBoingo;Down here the easiest part was visiting the irons... while that lasted 1948433;1572125609;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: seems to take asciilifeform approx same time to get to/from his rack as did for BingoBoingo to his 1948434;1572125666;*;asciilifeform has been getting acquainted, slowly, w/ the dc crew, incl. the night shift people 1948435;1572125756;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Retrieval mission was ~12 minutes from my door to the tower door. Unusually favorable stop light luck. 1948436;1572125771;asciilifeform;there's people there at all hrs, apparently. last time asciilifeform went to set up that box for mp, the liveried 'coloco' limo was in fact running and standing by front door, opened up, and driver was waiting for somebody... 1948437;1572125846;*;asciilifeform presently dun know why there is a limo, or for that matter the similarly painted apc. they normally live in the parking lot, and each eats 6 spaces... i assumed they were props, engineless. evidently not 1948438;1572125921;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: ~6mi drive, here. takes 15-25min depending on the hour of day/night. 1948439;1572126041;BingoBoingo;That's... a slow drive. In my part of old country the mile a minute rule of thumb held for most drives of an hour's length. 1948440;1572126071;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: there's 5 lights and 'i90' in'ere. 1948441;1572126084;asciilifeform;tryin' various paths, maybe 1 faster. 1948442;1572126141;BingoBoingo;Seasonally tractors towing field equipment that doesn't nicely fold up at 2x walking speed was a hazard 1948443;1572126141;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: so far my least favourite piece in the tea ceremony is the door locks -- there's 4 of'em and the 1st requires key, pw, finger, and... face. there's a hole into which face. 1948444;1572126206;asciilifeform;never saw a theater like that, even in depths of usg. 1948445;1572126303;BingoBoingo;Well, they gotta sell and the folks selling weirdlocks have their own pitch on how weirdlocks help them sell. 1948446;1572126340;asciilifeform;also anyffin that dun fit in a knapsack is decreed to go through the dock. which means ordering the crew to unlock the gates, takes 10min or so on top. 1948447;1572126388;asciilifeform;there's a dock valet 24/7 tho, apparently. 1948448;1572126434;*;asciilifeform bbl, back to work 1948449;1572132365;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/10/us-defense-department-picks-microsoft-over-amazon/ << Qntra -- US "Defense" Department Picks Microsoft Over Amazon 1948450;1572139570;feedbot;http://www.krankendenken.com/2019/10/the-cod/ << Krankendenken -- The Cod 1948451;1572167738;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-26#1948372 <<< hey, one time this week, coming out of a cafe after a day's walk and gaze an etc, i spotted an old limo mercedes gold car and instead of getting a cab, i just paid the fellow to take me to the hotel. 1948452;1572167738;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-26 18:41:41 asciilifeform: presently dun know why there is a limo, or for that matter the similarly painted apc. they normally live in the parking lot, and each eats 6 spaces... i assumed they were props, engineless. evidently not 1948453;1572167743;mp_en_viaje;the staff is by now inured anyway. 1948454;1572167851;mp_en_viaje;now i dun even remember who the fuck is krankenwhatevs 1948455;1572167876;mp_en_viaje;must be lobbes i guess huh 1948456;1572168689;feedbot;http://thewhet.net/2019/10/untimed/ << The Whet -- Untimed 1948457;1572172899;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: yeah, it's lobbes' [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-12#1945008][rebranded blog] 1948458;1572172900;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-12 02:36:19 lobbes: ("blog.lobbesblog" was indeed [http://www.krankendenken.com/2019/09/in-which-orphan-eric-learns-the-value-of-negotiable-instruments-and-saving-in-capital-goods/#comment-107][clunky] so I figured I'd take this opportunity to rebrand) 1948459;1572172966;diana_coman;onth krankenwhatevs sounds even better to me. 1948460;1572173718;mp_en_viaje;lol 1948461;1572190155;*;asciilifeform still proofreading and correcting article, but the [http://www.loper-os.org/pub/colo/calc_v2.html][2nd draft of price calculator, which includes all standard options for irons, is posted] for those interested. 1948462;1572190355;asciilifeform;(among other things, full BOMs for the irons (as per mp_en_viaje's crit) are given in the article.) 1948463;1572191790;BingoBoingo;So, voting here consists of putting pre-printed "lists" in envelopes. No marking answers to dozens of questions, and folks are generally expected to bring their own damned lists. Motherfuckers are still standing in lines that have formed to do the voting! 1948464;1572191907;BingoBoingo;This was routinely a sub-10 minute affair in my part of old country. These people manage to form lines with half hour to several hour waits to stuff envelopes with either their chosen lists to vote or sliced deli meats to annul their vote 1948465;1572201214;feedbot;http://bingology.net/2019/10/27/annotating-british-state-broadcasters-preview-of-todays-uruguayan-election/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Annotating British State Broadcaster's Preview Of Today's Uruguayan Election 1948466;1572201519;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/10/argentina-and-uruguay-go-to-the-polls/ << Qntra -- Argentina And Uruguay Go To The Polls 1948467;1572202975;*;mp_en_viaje waves 1948468;1572202994;mp_en_viaje;check it out, now that i'm leaving finally fixed this shit up lmao 1948469;1572203180;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: Funny how that shit works out 1948470;1572203494;mp_en_viaje;ikr 1948471;1572206467;asciilifeform;hmm, feedbot wedged ? 1948472;1572206480;asciilifeform;[http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3513][2nd draft of 'costs'], for those interested, posted. 1948473;1572206497;asciilifeform;( warning : looong. and 3rd i expect will be longer. ) 1948474;1572209529;*;asciilifeform finally fixed, i think, all the typos. 1948475;1572214087;diana_coman;asciilifeform: do I understand correctly that you do not plan to actively expand that operation? ie you are doing there contingency planning for the unfortunate case that you have too many customers to fit in the current rack rather than business plan to get customers, is that it? 1948476;1572214234;asciilifeform;diana_coman: all of the expansion plans for which i have concrete #s, rather than 'wishes', are summarized. but 1st priorities are 1) service asciilifeform 2) service l1 (such that want in) followed by 3) all other forms of expansion. 1948477;1572214311;asciilifeform;diana_coman: as i specifically wish to operate with no external capital, this is the only possible scheme. 1948478;1572214364;diana_coman;asciilifeform: the $ is fine, yes; the q is how/whether you actually plan *anything* to get new customers? 1948479;1572214373;asciilifeform;diana_coman: this is strictly re the ~number~ of subscribers. if you were speaking of ~physical~ expansion, the plant could be doubled in size overnight if someone were to put in an order for such a thing. 1948480;1572214439;diana_coman;asciilifeform: no, my question is: are *you* going to actively look for that someone to put in an order for such a thing or are you just waiting for them if/when they come? 1948481;1572214440;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i do not currently have a concrete scheme for 'expand l1, l2' that would rise to the level of a plan. (and i've permanently 0 interest in servicing heathens, i.e. those not in wot at all.) 1948482;1572214480;asciilifeform;diana_coman: presently i look among the l1. (unsurprisingly no one yet hurried to buy 20u or 2kwatt). 1948483;1572214541;diana_coman;rise to plan or not, at least a draft to publish there, maybe it gets some feedback to make it rise slowly? 1948484;1572214565;asciilifeform;diana_coman: my focus to date has been 1) obtain and assemble the basic physical plant; 2) offer service to l1. 1948485;1572214591;diana_coman;I know. 1948486;1572214620;asciilifeform;a 3) 'expand the republic' presently takes more brain than i have, to offer concrete idea. but will write on the subj, as soon as i have half a clue (and ftr, imho sending spam is ~not~ a practical plan for expanding republic.) 1948487;1572214768;asciilifeform;ftr i do not in fact disagree with mp's 'expand the republic, you maggot' . but i also have a principled objection to selling things that dun physically exist, and rely on unknowns in order to come into existence. ( recall, i refused to offer FG for pre-order until it was in fact rolling off conveyor at factory.) hence i built multiphase rocket, that does not ~hard-depend~ on a rate of expansion in order to stay alive. 1948488;1572214809;*;asciilifeform will bbl, deadly tired. 1948489;1572216357;BingoBoingo;Polls are closed. In the past 40 minutes all the flags attached to cars disappeared. Folks walking around with flags are similarly gone 1948490;1572216799;BingoBoingo;I did see the economist identifying candidate riding around the neighborhood in a compact car followed by a motorcycle news team 1948491;1572216913;BingoBoingo;As the results are awaited: https://www.montevideo.com.uy/Noticias/Algunas-aclaraciones-sobre-el-video-viral-de-un-votante-de-Cabildo-Abierto-en-Lavalleja-uc733924 1948492;1572223311;BingoBoingo;At this point nothing is final, but I am looking to be more right than the BBC. 1948493;1572223491;BingoBoingo;The Colorados and other minor parties are pledging allegiance to the White Nationalist party in their concesion speeches. Fat Forehead sitting under 40% 1948494;1572223838;BingoBoingo;brb, going to it the streets in search of commie tears 1948495;1572228034;BingoBoingo;So far quiet. some youth without obvious affiliation gathered on the Rambla as they tend to do, tomando mate. Some fireworks (not a metaphor) on the beach. A *very* few cars with flags of varying sizes making rounds. 1948496;1572228322;BingoBoingo;First meme found in local noise holes https://i.redd.it/x6b58fltq6v31.jpg 1948497;1572229383;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/Wgnln << Raw incoming results 31.2 White Nationalists 36.2 Fat Forehead with 38.4 percent of the ballots counted. The projections the lcoal media is running because they won't show anything other than "projections" are 29 White Nationalist 38 Fat Forehead. 1948498;1572234246;BingoBoingo;Across the river http://archive.is/qjcnO 61/65 official versus 72.5/75.5 blue 1948499;1572236821;BingoBoingo;http://archive.is/nw7Oq << lol, shitheels 1948500;1572254857;mp_en_viaje;afaik that was always the case, argentines couldn't buy dollars ; but then again it was there mostly for their own psyche wound protection -- they COULDNT buy more anyway. they just love to pretend. 1948501;1572254881;mp_en_viaje;and in other news /me shall be going to budapest soon, plan to catch up with logs &all in the car. 1948502;1572255635;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, why is it just so hard for theses folks ? check this shit out : http://younghands.club/2019/10/28/jfw-plan-week-of-oct-28/?b=Inves&e=#comment-59 1948503;1572255666;mp_en_viaje;now, i can't take out the old style js-select, because i have a bunch of these that haven't been altered out yet ; but why the hell do they not use the new style, and why the hell do they create monsters when told to ? 1948504;1572255687;mp_en_viaje;!1 help 1948505;1572255687;feedbot;http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/081-feedbot-manual.html 1948506;1572262474;mp_en_viaje;9s lag holy crap 1948507;1572262546;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-27#1948412 << alright, well, i guess we're just talking talks here, coulda said you were gonna be stupid from the get go saved everyone the hassle. 1948508;1572262547;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-27 19:16:12 asciilifeform: diana_coman: as i specifically wish to operate with no external capital, this is the only possible scheme. 1948509;1572262720;mp_en_viaje;i expect the http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945345 batch with include the s.nsa closing statement ; asciilifeform an inventory of whatever hardware / items said corp still has in your hands will therefore be helpful to have on hand then for liquidation. 1948510;1572262720;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-13 18:03:01 mp_en_viaje: anyway, unrelatedly : for the folk awaiting trilema publication of divers reports, as were implicitly due for q3 sometime early october : i had every intention of doing them, if not by the 5th day as trad. absolute value at least sorta by 15th (as scaled value, 3x the months, 3x5 days) or something. but then, whole pizaro debacle, adding to the fact that i'm traveling and that's never so fixed a schedule (for inst 1948511;1572262783;mp_en_viaje;normally i'd recommend either a lord take you in or, in the case of more retarded, that they themselves find a lord to take them in. in your case though, i don't tjhink there's any point in wasting anyone's time, you're just getting washed out and that'sthat. 1948512;1572267528;asciilifeform;hm thought already 'washed out' in june ? 1948513;1572267630;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-28#1948442 << i dunget: per mp's lights it was shoddy isp. but he wanted to buy it ? 1948514;1572267631;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-28 11:35:44 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-27#1948412 << alright, well, i guess we're just talking talks here, coulda said you were gonna be stupid from the get go saved everyone the hassle. 1948515;1572267631;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-27 19:16:12 asciilifeform: diana_coman: as i specifically wish to operate with no external capital, this is the only possible scheme. 1948516;1572269612;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: why not detail what you had in mind, before we do the mutual -10 / declaring each other traitors thing. 1948517;1572269829;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: fwiw, afaik all of the iron that's actually on the books, with the exception of 4 very worn 256G ssd (~50 $ if were new) that i had BingoBoingo mail , is at piz. so you can liquidate even nao if you like. 1948518;1572273274;asciilifeform;ftr asciilifeform [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946395][does not know] how to build (and in usa no less!) an isp that reliably brings in, ~from l1/l2~, and on top of other expenses, the 1-1.5btc/mo that would be req'd to feed asciilifeform. and refuse to scam anyone into thinking that i know how. if ~this~ is hard requirement, then yes, asciilifeform oughta be drummed out. 1948519;1572273275;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-18 16:25:05 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: there's 2 separate qs.: a) whether it is possible to run a comfortably +ev miniature isp for use of l1/l2. b) is how to run large isp, hosting 1000 heathens, to make 100k's. presently it would be a lie if asciilifeform said that knows how to (b) , and suicidal if tried to (a) + (b) simultaneously right off . 1948520;1572273891;asciilifeform;would req literally 1000+ subscribers. ( are there even 1000 total ~people~ in l2 ? ) 1948521;1572274715;asciilifeform;not many dc can even ~house~ 1000+. was mp also proposing to build a dc ?! ( if so, why specced 'rack' ? ) 1948522;1572274819;asciilifeform;'make me a can opener.' 'here's a can opener, mp' 'fuck you tard, where's the steel mill and coal, iron mines, to go with that!?' 1948523;1572275877;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Even the most independent "muh seeds, muh land, muh guns" farmers know they can't completely cut themselves off from outside capital. They might not like taking debt, but they gotta be open to the possibility. If the neighbor's farm fall due to low commodity prices, as a farmer you have to at least try to buy his fields for the scale as your position isn't much better without growing. 1948524;1572276031;BingoBoingo;No outside capital until the hereto unmapped phase 5 is one thing. No outside capital ever... that position will trap your operation at hobby shop scale. 1948525;1572276377;BingoBoingo;Now "I refuse to take outside capital until the rack's current cost basis is covered and a conversion engine is running" is a different position. 1948526;1572276656;BingoBoingo;Going from one occupied rack operating in the black to the next phase, 5 in you chart is going to be an expensive jump but if there is an outreach engine running investors or creditors may be interested in something like hiring lobbes to make camp in Iberia and service the racks you rent at all of the cable landing points. 1948527;1572276734;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-28#1948448 << we're back at this http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946353 http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947835 etc 1948528;1572276735;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-28 10:04:55 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-28#1948442 << i dunget: per mp's lights it was shoddy isp. but he wanted to buy it ? 1948529;1572276735;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-18 12:02:14 mp_en_viaje: if you're just looking for a coupla week's amateur entertainment, i got a whole line of hookers looking for same pounding down my door. 1948530;1572276735;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-23 13:39:53 mp_en_viaje: ~this~ is [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-18#1946381][the discriminant] ; it's not a matter of how great you can do at the hobby of this, when "real life" permits. it's not how impressive, or above-others, or anything else your amateur effort might come to be. 1948531;1572276735;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-28 11:35:44 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-27#1948412 << alright, well, i guess we're just talking talks here, coulda said you were gonna be stupid from the get go saved everyone the hassle. 1948532;1572276735;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-27 19:16:12 asciilifeform: diana_coman: as i specifically wish to operate with no external capital, this is the only possible scheme. 1948533;1572276753;mp_en_viaje;half dozen fucking statements of ~same~ thing within the past ~two weeks. 1948534;1572276874;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-28#1948460 << i'm not interested in "patching over", it'll just be another version of ye perennial "what's the absolute minimum i can do so as to just barely squeak by the standard without actually doing it". 1948535;1572276875;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-28 12:30:42 BingoBoingo: Now "I refuse to take outside capital until the rack's current cost basis is covered and a conversion engine is running" is a different position. 1948536;1572276914;mp_en_viaje;tyvm, five years of it are good enough. asciilifeform can do whatever the fuck he feels like while waiting for his real life to really begin, dun need me or anyone else for any of that. 1948537;1572276916;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: With the level of repeating involved I had suspicions. 1948538;1572276918;mp_en_viaje;which, after all, is the point. 1948539;1572277030;mp_en_viaje;"phase 5", help me rwanda. if you buy 5 it'll be 5 and if not it'll be 625 or 32598049853049 phases. just as long as it dun involve any eh what the hell's the point, it;s been talked to death already. 1948540;1572277207;asciilifeform;ohai mp_en_viaje 1948541;1572277219;mp_en_viaje;hi 1948542;1572277251;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: didja barf before or after reading ( [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947861][as promised] ) 2nd ed of #s ? 1948543;1572277251;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-23 16:57:34 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947800 << /me shall read this sunday, then. 1948544;1572277252;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-23 10:56:24 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947781 << atm writing lengthy piece re subj (expecting to post fri/sat) and would rather not clutter the log w/ figures until then 1948545;1572277252;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-23 07:54:52 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947621 <-- from my (most likely naive, since I've got 0-experience on the business side of things) the concerns seems to be rather re. your expectations of staying afloat, i.e. sales, revenue, how many clients you expect to get in what timeframe and how that'll cover your expenses. there might be some of that info in the logz, but imho this is worth includi 1948546;1572277252;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-22 11:13:46 asciilifeform: the 'solvent' part imho is satisfied by even draft 1. the 'expand' i think deserves more space. 1948547;1572277364;mp_en_viaje;i barfed at the line quoted ; the loper-os page is still loaded in the browser but i guess ima get to it in a year or w/e. like with newspapers, you know, antiquarian interest. 1948548;1572277545;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: can persuade to read ? can then barf correctly. ( the #s dun lie, in fact show what intake can expect per subscriber, etc. ) even if you build own isp, the ~same mechanics will apply. 1948549;1572277791;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The lesson of this month is that the non-performance of the derps in the basement didn't have to be a fatal blow to Pizarro. Our failures to sell and find some leverage in the selling by expanding the l2, created the conditions that turned into into a coup de grace. 1948550;1572277796;mp_en_viaje;i'll read it eventually ; but there's no interest now, as there was no interest then, in following your amateur exertions, so assumed. 1948551;1572277815;mp_en_viaje;nor is there much cause to keep up the s.nsa pretense, it is, by your own words now completing your own actions, a hollow shell. 1948552;1572277837;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: might want to let diana_coman know, to 'stop follow the amateur exertions', she's been assigning e.g. 'v.py' as homework. 1948553;1572277854;mp_en_viaje;to whom ? 1948554;1572277865;*;asciilifeform remembers that mp_en_viaje dun read #o 1948555;1572277878;asciilifeform;to students. 1948556;1572277939;mp_en_viaje;she conceivably assigns demosthenes of rhodes to some children, doesn't now mean ima partnership in geometry with early greeks 1948557;1572278378;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: re snsa, it was always yours to do with as you wanted, was structured in such a way (w/ the e.g. 'mpex fee' exponential growth) that asciilifeform was guaranteed never to see a bitcent from it. ( and knew this; worked w/ mp_en_viaje strictly outta principle. ) 1948558;1572278481;mp_en_viaje;right right. 1948559;1572278494;mp_en_viaje;now make that inventory and be done with it. 1948560;1572278510;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: the inventory's in piz. 1948561;1572278563;mp_en_viaje;to put it plainly, apparently your ferrocranium's particularly truculent this evening : if you do not fucking produce it, i will simply say you ran off with the gear. are we clear or wtf ? 1948562;1572278757;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: explain what diff it oughta make to asciilifeform whether gets fraudulent '-10 : ran off with the gear' or '-10 : ferrocranium refused to go on isp suicide mission' from mp_en_viaje ? 1948563;1572278879;asciilifeform;that being said, let's make it faster , iirc mp_en_viaje valued the snsa gear at piz at 0.9. invoice asciilifeform for 0.9, i'm already warming up cold wallet to pay mp_en_viaje the earlier 0.3 invoice . 1948564;1572279095;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: also plox to generate an addr where you want it, and sign. ( i dunno if will be able to operate deedbot after we're through and asciilifeform is unplugged in #t. ) 1948565;1572279353;asciilifeform;as for [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-28#1948482][this] -- can read nao, or never, or year later, will still be there, when asciilifeform operating the only 'gossip' hosting backbone-sitting isp, and mp_en_viaje excommunicated 5 moar people for failing to lay atlantic fibers for him, and still has none. 1948566;1572279354;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-28 15:42:42 mp_en_viaje: i barfed at the line quoted ; the loper-os page is still loaded in the browser but i guess ima get to it in a year or w/e. like with newspapers, you know, antiquarian interest. 1948567;1572279386;mp_en_viaje;yeah, that'll be a sight to behold, the only gossipd node. 1948568;1572279390;mp_en_viaje;at least it'll keep good time with itself. 1948569;1572279393;asciilifeform;lol 1948570;1572279414;mp_en_viaje;now lay of le dramatique, and go back to waiting for your real life to begin, i've no further interest. 1948571;1572279490;asciilifeform;'real life to begin' ? 1948572;1572279629;*;BingoBoingo will get an inventory published today. 1948573;1572279652;asciilifeform;moar alive nao than ever. as for mp_en_viaje , plox to post the signed addr. piz liquidators, plox to take proceedings to #p. folx who intend to continue to crib off asciilifeform's work, which continues, or want functioning hosting : to #a. (which i'ma take is no longer official mp castle, i'ma take off the sign shortly.) next gen of FG will still be produced, on asciilifeform's dime ( and i'ma respect mp_en_viaje's wishes if he wan 1948574;1572279653;asciilifeform;ts it renamed ) , all other asciilifeform agenda items will continue even if errybody joins in the firing squad. 1948575;1572279976;mp_en_viaje;alright, so all the better then, unfettered soar and there you go. 1948576;1572280228;*;BingoBoingo has been so occupied with cleanup that forgot Qntra crossed into 5 years of, not interupted, operation on the second of this month. 1948577;1572280553;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: plox to gen an' sign that addr. otherwise if there aint a hole into which asciilifeform can pay, i suspect even the still-hypnotized folx won't buy then 'ran off!111' . 1948578;1572280896;mp_en_viaje;look, you either produce an inventory or don't produce an inventory. stop whining about it. 1948579;1572281904;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: there are 4 FG here; 12 spare analogue boards. at piz there is a http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2018-02-05#1781749 , a http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2018-02-05#1781753 , and 34 FG (that were sold to piz, and i have still nfi whether mp_en_viaje wanted'em back physically or as coin.) there also were 4 x 256GB mostly spent ssds, they are in the mail and i've nfi whether will see'em again, neither correo.co 1948580;1572281904;asciilifeform;m.uy nor usps seem to know where they are ; 1948581;1572281904;snsabot;Logged on 2018-02-05 19:42:57 asciilifeform: (1) 2.3GHz x 32core (Opteron 6376) RAM Installed: 256G RAM Max: 256G 1948582;1572281904;snsabot;Logged on 2018-02-05 19:43:20 asciilifeform: (3) 1.9GHz x 24core (Opteron 6168) RAM Installed: 24G RAM Max: 256G 1948583;1572281929;asciilifeform;all pre-april2017 inventory, [http://trilema.com/2017/no-such-labs-snsa-april-2017-statement/?b=write&e=off#select][mp had written off] . 1948584;1572281934;asciilifeform;this afaik completes the list. 1948585;1572281964;mp_en_viaje;the logs is your venue ? 1948586;1572281978;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: do you want this as a signed text ? 1948587;1572281990;mp_en_viaje;you could publish the damned thing on your own blog, like a sane person. 1948588;1572281997;asciilifeform;the blog mp_en_viaje dun read? lol 1948589;1572282010;mp_en_viaje;why the hell does everything with you haver to be done soddily, half way, ill considered, as best fits immanture momentary convenience and so on ? 1948590;1572282022;mp_en_viaje;do you aim to become the avatar of earthy laziness or something ? 1948591;1572282023;asciilifeform;i could ask same of mp_en_viaje 1948592;1572282054;mp_en_viaje;write an item, "this is what s.nsa owns in my hands as things stand", puybluish it , in one piece, somewhere you can answer for being accesdsible in a few weeks and there you go. 1948593;1572282059;mp_en_viaje;why's none of this self-obvious ? 1948594;1572282078;asciilifeform;asciilifeform worx 14h+ days. mp_en_viaje sits in cabaret and smokes 100$ bills. but somehow the former is 'avatar of lazy', eh. 1948595;1572282092;mp_en_viaje;yes. 1948596;1572282113;asciilifeform;anyways after BingoBoingo counts , i'ma post signed text where mp_en_viaje asked, so long as he gives his word that will actually read it. 1948597;1572282125;asciilifeform;i am unable to physically count objects in uy from desk. 1948598;1572282131;mp_en_viaje;certainly, i'll be in the closing papers. 1948599;1572282147;mp_en_viaje;i'd much rather not have to link a logline -- or five. 1948600;1572282346;asciilifeform;y'know, [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-28?ss=1948514&se=1948519#1948519][link to multi lines] worx fine. but will put in what format you like. 1948601;1572282346;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-28 17:01:31 asciilifeform: this afaik completes the list. 1948602;1572282548;mp_en_viaje;your kneejerk responses take ammendments six cases of seven or thereabouts also. 1948603;1572282587;mp_en_viaje;now take all that effort wasted in the protection of a futile self-image, and put it in the making of a proper thing you can live with for years to come, namely the closing inventory of s.nsa 1948604;1572282598;mp_en_viaje;because, like everything else, once i sit down to write it, it's written. 1948605;1572282640;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: the only missing piece is BingoBoingo's count of the items currently in his flat. after it matches mine, will sign. 1948606;1572282695;asciilifeform;also i hate to piss on mp_en_viaje's freudian parade, but i haven't got 'self image' or whatever other nonsense phlogistons tlp et al persuaded mp_en_viaje of existing. 1948607;1572282721;mp_en_viaje;then what are we talking about here ? 1948608;1572282776;mp_en_viaje;a derpy "corporation' that's been trying to rest on laurels for 50 months ? some child's inept toyplay "parents & school permitting", we'll play datacenter this fri after school ? 1948609;1572282785;asciilifeform;inventories of old gear, i thought, is what we were talking about. 1948610;1572282796;asciilifeform;something i've no objection to, the gear belongs to the people to whom it belongs. 1948611;1572282805;mp_en_viaje;aite, so then that's done. 1948612;1572283029;asciilifeform;re 'play dc', asciilifeform's 'evil, useless dc' will be there 1y, 2y, from nao. and open to anyone of asciilifeform's l1 who wants, even mp_en_viaje. 1948613;1572283108;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: if you intend to fatwa all properly orthodox folx from subscribing, plox to let diana_coman know, give her time to find new blog host. 1948614;1572283146;asciilifeform;last i knew, she agreed on the price and was intending to pay. 1948615;1572283492;mp_en_viaje;are you so ahead in the management of your own affairs you now wish to undertake a portion of mine, or what exactly is it ? 1948616;1572283526;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i'm hosting a demo box for diana_coman , so it aint purely 'your' . 1948617;1572283544;asciilifeform;fwiw mp_en_viaje made it quite clear in june '19 that he intends to close snsa. and this was part of the reason why i set up private rack, it will host phuctor in-exile, asciilifeform's www, and anyone else who has the courage and dun insist on marionette control of the entire thing simply as condition of hosting a box or 2. 1948618;1572283616;mp_en_viaje;not exactly what happened, but w/e. 1948619;1572283628;asciilifeform;was q of when, not if. 1948620;1572283641;mp_en_viaje;if the father tells his drunkard son that he's getting cut off unless he stops drinking, the father's not telling the moron he's getting cut off. 1948621;1572283648;mp_en_viaje;even if the moron's decided he will drink self to death. 1948622;1572283658;asciilifeform;'drinking' == made it clear that can't live off tree bark ? 1948623;1572283666;mp_en_viaje;you're not at liberty to remove my ifs as to best serve, again, your self-image. 1948624;1572283703;mp_en_viaje;now stop hussling me, it ain't gonna deliver any kind of payoff. 1948625;1572283706;asciilifeform;again with the phlogistons eh. 1948626;1572283720;asciilifeform;aite. when BingoBoingo returns w/ his count, will talk. 1948627;1572288234;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-28#1948437 - oh boy; because he didn't read properly how the thing works, obviously; at any rate, he'll fix it, read the manual and stop doing the shit, yes. 1948628;1572288234;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-28 06:44:58 mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, why is it just so hard for theses folks ? check this shit out : http://younghands.club/2019/10/28/jfw-plan-week-of-oct-28/?b=Inves&e=#comment-59 1948629;1572289213;BingoBoingo;Apologies for the delay. I had to step away from the inventorying task to pick up a telegram at the Cowork. Dated Friday 18:16 hours... They want money and they want it on a schedule incompatible with the contract they've breached to hell! This is going to be very fun! 1948630;1572289255;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: I suspect the lack of pings is a shortcoming of the way I set up the LAMP on the lifeboat. I will investigate it, probably later this week. 1948631;1572289326;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-28#1948511 - oh hey, happy belated bday qntra! and congrats BingoBoingo on it! 1948632;1572289326;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-28 13:34:53 BingoBoingo: has been so occupied with cleanup that forgot Qntra crossed into 5 years of, not interupted, operation on the second of this month. 1948633;1572291873;mp_en_viaje;man what a day. 1948634;1572291893;mp_en_viaje;breakfast in prague, lunch in vienna, and in time for coffee & deserts in budapest. 1948635;1572291899;mp_en_viaje;truly an european existence. 1948636;1572291920;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: I went to make child's passport - also a sort of ..european experience!! 1948637;1572291936;mp_en_viaje;haha. how did that go ? 1948638;1572292109;diana_coman;it's a romanian example of applying eu rules I suppose; I guess I'll have to write-it up as it's too surreal, only the old italian-embassy experience beats it. 1948639;1572292154;mp_en_viaje;o, you got it in romania ?! 1948640;1572292182;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: no, in london but the romanian consulate is 200% a piece of romania indeed 1948641;1572292192;mp_en_viaje;kid's not uk citizen ? 1948642;1572292194;diana_coman;if one is nostalgic about anything, they should go there 1948643;1572292207;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: no, he's not because neither parent is uk citizen 1948644;1572292219;mp_en_viaje;not born there tho ? or that's no longer the criteria. 1948645;1572292257;mp_en_viaje;neways, the rotards are something the fuck else. i had to sick my people on them, because otherwise they have this nominally "passport in 2 weeks, no need of ye olde expediency fees", to be in line with the eu ; but then... waiting lists for the 2 week term to start, stretching like 3 months. 1948646;1572292263;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: not the criteria by itself anymore at the time he was born,no; it was some additional years 1948647;1572292284;mp_en_viaje;magically got the "appointment to apply" or w/e the fuck the next day, but in general... 1948648;1572292320;mp_en_viaje;working really hard at earning a bad name for romania, what. 1948649;1572292346;diana_coman;aha; and here appointment online but then queue anyway... outside the building too and a guy giving frantic directions, it was something. 1948650;1572293421;mp_en_viaje;in unrelated news, after week+ of cluelesness i finally comprehended the fucking intended usage of my new cam (as it happens, by watching teeny monkey at work) -- the rabatable viewport IS THERE SO YOU CAN TAKE YOUR OWN PICTURE 1948651;1572293433;mp_en_viaje;would prolly not have occured to me in another six months 1948652;1572301477;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-28#1948564 << lol wait, you got served meanwhile ? was it by the very auditioning firm for maxlulz ? 1948653;1572301477;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-28 16:04:39 BingoBoingo: Apologies for the delay. I had to step away from the inventorying task to pick up a telegram at the Cowork. Dated Friday 18:16 hours... They want money and they want it on a schedule incompatible with the contract they've breached to hell! This is going to be very fun! 1948654;1572301705;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: Not service. Bluster of the "do what we say" flavor. 1948655;1572301726;mp_en_viaje;so extralegal telegram, like happy bday ? 1948656;1572301780;BingoBoingo;Basically. Bluster, threats, etc 1948657;1572301811;diana_coman;possibly they expect it's scary enough if it's "telegram!!!" 1948658;1572301904;mp_en_viaje;so post it. 1948659;1572302053;BingoBoingo;Will do 1948660;1572302575;BingoBoingo;"Rechazamos el TCCPC recibido el 22/10/19 y las imputaciones alli realizadas. Asimismo, intimamos pago de pago de precio convenido segun clausula 8 y anexos del contrato marco de servicios de technologia,"... Wank, wank, wank they want paid on a schedule now FASTER than spec'd in the contract for not doing what they promised in the contract. 1948661;1572302597;mp_en_viaje;i meant take a pic of the artefact 1948662;1572302621;mp_en_viaje;you know, like a sort of contemporaneous archeology. 1948663;1572302623;BingoBoingo;Will do and append to the inventory post. 1948664;1572302637;BingoBoingo;Or give it a post of its own 1948665;1572302653;mp_en_viaje;wtf's a TCCPC anyways 1948666;1572302716;BingoBoingo;It's apparently how Antel refers to certified telegrams. Derps had to use Antel for this because they apparently aren't a sufficiently complete telecom to have their own telegraph service. 1948667;1572302983;mp_en_viaje;meanwhile in other lulz, http://ligadeamasdecasa.com.uy/preguntas-frecuentes/ << the syndicate of housewives, consumers an' users of the oriental republic has complex rules an' notions. 1948668;1572303098;BingoBoingo;lol, there's a bunch of these piled up derpations 1948669;1572303132;mp_en_viaje;who the fuck in his right mind would report this, what the fuck. what next, register your mistresses with the national prostitution... orifice ? 1948670;1572303277;BingoBoingo;No one does outside of some retards. There's a whole bunch of cancer that made it in print that might as well come off because... Really? 1948671;1572303879;BingoBoingo;What seemed to have happened after that turd got passed was a lot of live in domestic servants got kicked into the street if their employer wasn't fucking them. Derps who could afford it instead went to cleaning agencies. A handful of folks who aren't braindamaged simply have more girlfriends. Overall the number of bipeds getting compensation for doing something dropped. 1948672;1572304056;mp_en_viaje;as usual. 1948673;1572304131;BingoBoingo;"No nos vamos a perder lo mejor" was the losing campaign slogan. 1948674;1572304185;BingoBoingo;Because the meddling commies destroying opportunity to make the poor poorer was "lo mejor" 1948675;1572317160;feedbot;http://bingology.net/2019/10/29/preliminary-inventory-of-items-once-hosted-by-pizarro-and-presently-in-my-care/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Preliminary Inventory Of Items Once Hosted By Pizarro And Presently In My Care 1948676;1572317230;BingoBoingo;^ photograph of weird uruguayan birthday telegram included 1948677;1572318268;*;BingoBoingo to walk a bit 1948678;1572322673;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/10/woman-resigns-from-us-congress-over-sex-scandal/ << Qntra -- Woman Resigns From US Congress Over Sex Scandal 1948679;1572324910;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-28#1948610 << lol, BingoBoingo teaching by example. somewhat reminiscent of a fantastical counterpoint to the traditional ro "ionica cel prost", "here, coz, how fucking goes" 1948680;1572324910;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-28 23:50:28 feedbot: http://bingology.net/2019/10/29/preliminary-inventory-of-items-once-hosted-by-pizarro-and-presently-in-my-care/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Preliminary Inventory Of Items Once Hosted By Pizarro And Presently In My Care 1948681;1572324965;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: Thank you very much 1948682;1572332915;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, you about ? 1948683;1572332953;mp_en_viaje;nm foundit meanwhile. 1948684;1572338921;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/i-suppose-we-could-call-this-a-state-of-the-sadness-or-other-things/ << Trilema -- I suppose we could call this a State of the Sadness ; or other things 1948685;1572339821;diana_coman;heavy reading. 1948686;1572339979;mp_en_viaje;a ? trilema's supposed to be light reading, i must've done something wrong! 1948687;1572340079;diana_coman;must be the lightness of nothing that weighs too much, yes. 1948688;1572340140;mp_en_viaje;bah, and back to the "closed comments" bs i see, wtf. brb gotts fix this 1948689;1572340352;mp_en_viaje;aite, article fixed & checked. 1948690;1572340438;mp_en_viaje;as it turns out, mp-wp has a ... well, i dunno, i hesitate to call it a bug. it has the following issue : if the publishing of an article (which is itself handled as a http post) gets interrupted for whatever reason (such as the connection dying, the closing packet being waylaid, anything), the article will still be publioshed, partially, ie what made it there ; however because various settings (notably, whether comments etc) ar 1948691;1572340438;mp_en_viaje;e open or not come AFTER the body of the article, and as the default is closed...welll... they'll thus be closed. 1948692;1572340452;mp_en_viaje;and then there's ~little other than directly editing the db that the author can do to un-do this setting. 1948693;1572340569;mp_en_viaje;so, if you ever end up publishing half an article because your connection died mid-publish for w/e reason, and as a result your article's comments are closed -- the one pill is to edit the db, set comment_status & ping_status to "open" again. 1948694;1572340593;diana_coman;ugh; good to know at least but shouldn't the default status be open for comments? 1948695;1572340640;mp_en_viaje;i have nfi where it's even set ; god knows the db itself defaults to open. 1948696;1572340661;mp_en_viaje;will take some spelunking, but i suspect further unhappy interactions among the tower of shit leading to the result. 1948697;1572340839;diana_coman;most likely, yes. 1948698;1572342537;mp_en_viaje;off to breakfast, will bbl 1948699;1572352835;mp_en_viaje;the [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-29#1948620][heaviness of nothing] notwithstanding, it is self-evident we'll have to carry some conversations in the coming days : with BingoBoingo re the future shape of qntra (which iirc was sorta-open but then put into what at the time was intended to be a brief abeyance) ; 1948700;1572352835;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-29 06:08:11 diana_coman: heavy reading. 1948701;1572352917;mp_en_viaje;with diana_coman as to the future strategy of s.mg (which normally'd belong in eulora, i suppose, but honestly might as well happen here, not like there's any traffic jam or anything) ; and of course with diana_coman hanbot trinque BingoBoingo lobbes spyked bvt ave1 as to what exactly we still want and we can in fact support going forward. 1948702;1572352989;mp_en_viaje;but i propose we carry those in some order later this week / next, post digestion. there's, after all, exactly no more rush nowadays. 1948703;1572353040;mp_en_viaje;http://trilema.com/2019/antiqua-sanctorum-patrum-or-the-lordship-list-sixth-year/#comment-128248 << march, heh. 1948704;1572353433;diana_coman;the list + timing makes sense to me; I'm still digesting but onth I'd say latest next week is better than letting it drag any longer; while there might be no rush, there is also no gain that I can see in waiting longer than that. 1948705;1572353552;diana_coman;time packs a lot of punch those days; march indeed. 1948706;1572353992;mp_en_viaje;right. 1948707;1572360811;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: Having seen the folks diana_coman is catching in her school house and the issues they have with tight writing, I am inclined to draft an offering for a journalism short course. Maybe I catch some of my own students, maybe I get some referrals from diana_coman and others looking to tighten up the prose of their catches. 1948708;1572360824;BingoBoingo;My though with offering a short course is that it allows for a degree of screening and mutual auditioning before committing to take on an apprentice while other folks can refer their students with the specific aim of getting drilled into producing some journalistic reports. 1948709;1572361101;mp_en_viaje;might be an idea 1948710;1572361108;*;BingoBoingo becoming much more inclined towards paralegaling over datacenterism 1948711;1572361112;mp_en_viaje;in any case xpollination's effectual, if nature's any gide 1948712;1572361119;mp_en_viaje;how come ? 1948713;1572361193;BingoBoingo;The sort of readinging and work required feels like it is more... inside my wheelhouse. Paralegaling can also be done in LATAM where if seem more effective than I'll be anywhere else in the world for at least the first 12-18 months. 1948714;1572361229;mp_en_viaje;hm 1948715;1572361249;mp_en_viaje;prolly pays less 1948716;1572361281;BingoBoingo;Likely 1948717;1572361293;BingoBoingo;I will explore both routes 1948718;1572361326;BingoBoingo;But I do suspect the datacenter space is more thoroughly infected with cancer than the legal space. 1948719;1572361376;BingoBoingo;Datacentering and paralegaling both seems like very live options at present 1948720;1572361668;mp_en_viaje;i dunno how you'd judge the more thoroughly, but... 1948721;1572361685;BingoBoingo;At this point its just the suspicion 1948722;1572361691;mp_en_viaje;aha 1948723;1572361982;BingoBoingo;It is one of these sort of suspicions http://bingology.net/2019/10/29/preliminary-inventory-of-items-once-hosted-by-pizarro-and-presently-in-my-care/#footnote_0_3068 1948724;1572362085;BingoBoingo;My gut isn't a perfectly calibrated divination device, but 5 years of Qntra has helped calibrate it along certain lines 1948725;1572362593;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i expect to sign the final inventory today, after BingoBoingo cuts my seals and inspects the inside of the 'dulap's. 1948726;1572362651;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: meanwhile ( per tradition of asciilifeform's homeworld ) [http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=6shW][here] is my resignation. mp_en_viaje can unseal if he wishes, or wait until march or whatever fits his aesthetics. 1948727;1572362936;diana_coman;BingoBoingo: as I previously said in #o, I'm all for xpollination with a qntra-writing course for sure. 1948728;1572363104;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: Right, your expression of interest was when the thing went from an idea bouncing around in my headcase to a suspected good idea. 1948729;1572363821;asciilifeform;[http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=qQwH][same as above, but decodable by mp_en_viaje key] . 1948730;1572369572;lobbes;mp_en_viaje: in mp-wp bot updates: I've got the [http://blog.ericbenevides.com/tickerbot/2019-10-29-0253-php-mysql.php][search results piece] (with the [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-17#1946074][auto-delete-old-results] functionality) complete. 1948731;1572369572;ericbot;Logged on 2019-10-17 04:43:51 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1946013 << php is perfectly fine. there should be a counter somewhere keeping a "max disk size" setting, an inventory of total bytesize, and that deletes oldest-first when the former exceeds the latter. 1948732;1572369573;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-16 20:49:54 lobbes: mp_en_viaje: re: mp-wp bot's [http://www.krankendenken.com/2019/10/mp-wp-bot-workplan-now-until-november-3rd/?b=bot%20will%20spit%20out&e=#select][spitting of the files], do you want some automated cleanup of said directory at every Nth file, or fine to just leave them be? Also, are you fine if they are static php files or is html (with teh embedded php) an absolute must? 1948733;1572369576;lobbes;now, just need to do the trackbacks piece and then patch it. Looking on track for [http://www.krankendenken.com/2019/10/mp-wp-bot-workplan-now-until-november-3rd/][deadline] 1948734;1572370194;mp_en_viaje;lobbes, nice! 1948735;1572372257;feedbot;http://thewhet.net/2019/10/narodnis-no-no/ << The Whet -- Narodni's No-No 1948736;1572377958;mp_en_viaje;lol the peanut gallery on trilema. 1948737;1572377968;mp_en_viaje;odd what the interwebs consumer gets stuck on. 1948738;1572387057;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/10/usg-claims-isis-leader-body-dumped-into-ocean/ << Qntra -- USG Claims ISIS Leader Body Dumped Into Ocean 1948739;1572387799;mp_en_viaje;damn thing just won't stay on, will it! 1948740;1572388360;BingoBoingo;Doesn't seem so 1948741;1572407966;feedbot;http://bingology.net/2019/10/30/the-fucking-election-a-halloween-special/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- The Fucking Election - A Halloween Special 1948742;1572428145;mp_en_viaje;lol BingoBoingo literature 1948743;1572428165;mp_en_viaje;too heavyhanded, man, reads more like a preacher tract. gotta give the characters life of their own, not life of the story. 1948744;1572428507;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, you about ? 1948745;1572429899;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: now I am 1948746;1572430288;mp_en_viaje;aite, wanna move on to the smg discussion ? 1948747;1572430293;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, ^ 1948748;1572430327;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: sure, just not fully clear on what there; but I'm all ears 1948749;1572430347;mp_en_viaje;i wanna load two events for basis. 1948750;1572430356;*;diana_coman is listening. 1948751;1572430372;mp_en_viaje;do you remember that instance i actually forbade your talking to alf ? 1948752;1572430379;diana_coman;yes, I do. 1948753;1572430405;mp_en_viaje;do you recall that time he managed to sabotage phd's attempted pizarro carrier run ? 1948754;1572430455;diana_coman;the debacle with iron specs? as cited in the time-mgm piece I wrote iirc? 1948755;1572430497;mp_en_viaje;yeah, basically he kept dithering in typical fashion, "being conservative" or whatever, being a moron, and the guy simply couldn't get the geat before flight time 1948756;1572430517;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: this: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-06#1781873 1948757;1572430517;a111;Logged on 2018-02-06 02:11 mircea_popescu: and as an added bonus, you now get to go about looking for lords willing to bring your ideas about republican iron to the table, because i'm not further looking for your input on the topic just as i'm not further looking for your input on eucrypt topic. 1948758;1572430521;diana_coman;damn, 1 sec 1948759;1572430543;mp_en_viaje;then ben_vulpes stepped in, and most of what he heard, for years thence, was "oh, you were so underslept you forgot one bag" ; never "i was such a moron, you had to fly on short notice, i guess ~I~ forgot your bag" 1948760;1572430557;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2018-02-05#1781873 1948761;1572430557;ossabot;Logged on 2018-02-05 21:11:14 mircea_popescu: and as an added bonus, you now get to go about looking for lords willing to bring your ideas about republican iron to the table, because i'm not further looking for your input on the topic just as i'm not further looking for your input on eucrypt topic. 1948762;1572430562;mp_en_viaje;exactly. 1948763;1572430610;diana_coman;at the point with ben_vulpes I admit I couldn't figure out who was really messing up more there, honestly. 1948764;1572430630;mp_en_viaje;me either ; but that's moot now isn't it -- bv found his way back into the everyday. 1948765;1572430647;diana_coman;I guess so. 1948766;1572430727;mp_en_viaje;we'll leave the matter of ~why~ "couldn't figure out" for the 3rd discussion, in group ; as we'll leave the assorted bits and ends, how other than whatever the idiot is doing to sabotage himself, with his "circumspect" "conservative" approach every time he should press an advantage, wasting the time so when shit hits the fan, as shit always hits the fan, he can just be sad instead of ciercumspect, and oh, if only the world were 1948767;1572430727;mp_en_viaje; perfectly liniar he could take forever to not do something 1948768;1572430765;mp_en_viaje;there's two major points where his idiocy conceivably sabotaged us. of this, the part where we're certainly not getting people in at the rate he sends them out is not of interest to smg. 1948769;1572430799;diana_coman;myeah. 1948770;1572430807;mp_en_viaje;but the part where in order to do thing x, you first have to do step 1, and in order to do step 1 you first have to do steps 1.1 and 1.2 ; and in order to do step 1.1 you first have to do steps 1.1.1, 1.1.2 and 1.1.3 staqu-quo protection very much IS. 1948771;1572430840;mp_en_viaje;now, as we stand, he might've infected us with enough stupid to simply die, specifically in the form of such teoria chibritului hardware and software stacks. 1948772;1572430868;mp_en_viaje;s.mg stands currently on a lengthy tree of ideological. "we don't use python", "c this" etcetera. 1948773;1572430888;diana_coman;well, there IS on one hand the FFA gem that has however come after the initial projection that he'll do consulting for smg and so I'll have what to use rather than write eucrypt with the salvaged-mpi (though he salvaged that at least) 1948774;1572430942;mp_en_viaje;my first attempt at cutting the gordian knot, on the assumption it's all rot, [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-11#1944885][failed], on the merits. 1948775;1572430942;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-11 11:21:04 mp_en_viaje: because he has sexier things to do than what you need ; and, importantly, because this is WHY he wanted to be a "craftsman" in the first place, and why attempted to scam you into buying custom, rather than standard items : so as to fuck you over by doing "sexier things", because in his broken mind the very thing that impels the "craftsman" misbehaviour also looks at your damage as implicit justification -- in that 1948776;1572430975;mp_en_viaje;but we absolutely must look at the whole stack, with a clear eye, and clean it of alf idiocy. i don't even care if some useful bits get thrown out in the process so much 1948777;1572430997;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: over the past few months I had *loads* of precisely thinking re survival given as the whole client+ graphics+EVERYTHING kept growing as work for me to do rather than ever receding so I can get to developing the actual game on server. 1948778;1572431057;mp_en_viaje;i want to make sure i've done all i can so i don't end up in the same circle of hell as he, and the rest of them "engineering" retards, from [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935137][chuck dicksuck] to all the rest. 1948779;1572431057;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-09 05:40:35 mircea_popescu: all sorta chuck moores, "famous" and apparently ever so good and useful, just WAITING for you to give them a chance to strangle you. 1948780;1572431096;mp_en_viaje;they're self-evidently all the same "person", if you can call it that. basically, i'm dealing with the same spam script run wild that's ruined western natural sciences. 1948781;1572431134;mp_en_viaje;alright, so then this is the basis. wut do ? 1948782;1572431178;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: in hardware terms, the recent tests re deploying server showed at least that we are not married to any specific arch so I'd say that part should not be a problem 1948783;1572431190;diana_coman;ie I installed it on different amd + 1 intel, fine. 1948784;1572431202;mp_en_viaje;unless, of course, in the fractally moronic manner in which he's inhabituated us to expect things to "work", there's a barb in there somewhere. 1948785;1572431206;*;hanbot_abroad wonders how anyone would propose to get the salt back out of the bread they've baked. 1948786;1572431220;mp_en_viaje;hanbot_abroad, throwing out the bread works if that's what happened. 1948787;1572431231;mp_en_viaje;i will do it, too. 1948788;1572431237;hanbot_abroad;i thought what's here is basically a line drawn in the sand, 'will stand no further than this'. 1948789;1572431246;mp_en_viaje;hm ? 1948790;1572431251;hanbot_abroad;it was withstood, consciously, as long as it was, for good reason that remains good reason, no? 1948791;1572431251;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: do you want me to look at alternatives there? at the very least to see what/how/any? 1948792;1572431260;mp_en_viaje;hanbot_abroad, no. let me explain this clearly : 1948793;1572431266;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, 1sec. 1948794;1572431287;mp_en_viaje;hanbot_abroad, to use the geometric terminology you introduced : alf never in his life walked a line. what he does is, he spins a circle. 1948795;1572431313;mp_en_viaje;at any given point, if ~you~ draw a line, he'll translate over the place, such that your line is a tangent. and you think, naively, "oh, this man's line and my line are clearly, look, colinear" 1948796;1572431344;*;diana_coman sadly recognizes that line+circle from bitter experience (and not even just asciilifeform ). 1948797;1572431352;mp_en_viaje;then he starts moving down his circle. and you notice there's a difference ; if you attempt to discuss it, he'll make the cost of measuring the infinitesimal difference (which nevertheless keeps growing, and at an ever faster pace) infinitely large 1948798;1572431357;mp_en_viaje;by insanely elaborate sophistry. 1948799;1572431377;mp_en_viaje;then, at some point, his circular motion actually takes him to diametrically opposed pole to the original tangent point 1948800;1572431396;mp_en_viaje;at which juncture you might even point the situation out : look, you moron, you are DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED, what the fuck bs you're talking. 1948801;1572431411;mp_en_viaje;but, see, it's a circle. past the perihelion he's coming back, so it'll ~seem~ like that "woke him up" 1948802;1572431422;mp_en_viaje;he's now moving towards you, and at an increasingly faster rate 1948803;1572431436;mp_en_viaje;except, of course, once he reaches midway. then he starts decelerating ; and he decelerates even faster. 1948804;1572431477;mp_en_viaje;and if you've got the time, and the money, "1-1.5 bitcoin (today, of course ; the fuckface doesn't happen to think he DID NOT say 1-1.5 bitcoin back when he took the quote from) he'll take you for another spin. 1948805;1572431483;mp_en_viaje;and for as many spins as you'd like. 1948806;1572431505;mp_en_viaje;i don't think it's intentional, in the sense that i don't think alf has the capacity for intentional activity. he's an object, like any chair, or compass, or whatever. 1948807;1572431534;mp_en_viaje;so no, there wasn't any line drawn in the sand on the basis of trying to quadrate the circle and throwing tangents at a dangerous idiot. 1948808;1572431552;mp_en_viaje;aite ? 1948809;1572431560;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, i do not know what i want you to do, hence this convo. 1948810;1572431580;hanbot_abroad;mp_en_viaje: digesting 1948811;1572431822;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: I suppose there is also the same question applied potentially to the FG and FFA then; but fwiw I digested FFA as well as I could and I still think it is a gem, perhaps a pearl better put: quite the result of successive spinnings/polishings 1948812;1572431852;mp_en_viaje;i am not for a second saying there's nothing good or useful i nthere. 1948813;1572431932;mp_en_viaje;i am saying, qutie plainly, that the man's allegiance is to [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-17#1936950][the inca state], through the intermediate avenue of staqu quo preservation. again, not intentionally, but intention dun enter into any of it. 1948814;1572431932;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-17 14:58:32 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-17#1936895 << the four foregoing lines are amusing, because 100% of your emissions re comings and goings of great inca are predictable, always downstream on the basis of "great inca is great". 1948815;1572431933;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-17 13:38:31 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: exactly like the chinese cultural rev. (which shut off like a lamp when mao flicked switch) this one is a 'controlled burn'. 1948816;1572431948;mp_en_viaje;the objection, in short, is not that the worm's not delicious, but that the worm's just bait. 1948817;1572431971;mp_en_viaje;i intend to cut as much as possible fo worm off the hook, and i'm rather willing to take zero than any hook. 1948818;1572432047;mp_en_viaje;yes, it's nice to have the fg ; but not at the cost of being stuck waiting for an isp that elaborately ain't happening. and so following. 1948819;1572432055;mp_en_viaje;i don't want to pay the thick end to get the thin end, ever. 1948820;1572432058;diana_coman;poisoned offerings, if I understand you correctly. 1948821;1572432084;mp_en_viaje;quite fucking poisoned. look how far they took us! 1948822;1572432161;mp_en_viaje;anyways ; i suspect now you're adequately impregnated with my wrath, i guess give it a day or two see what the night mind dredges up ? 1948823;1572432202;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: I'm surprisingly calm and collected but I'm weighing all sorts; and yes, I would rather give it a few days. 1948824;1572432214;mp_en_viaje;alrighty then! 1948825;1572432235;mp_en_viaje;one hour board meeting, THIS is how they go. 1948826;1572432366;hanbot_abroad;mp_en_viaje: i would expect interaction with the republic at all and certainly immersion in l1/frequent discussions with you would cause a great deal of reflection on and revision of held beliefs/paradigms, and sure, even frequently, or many times over. it's a shame that there even exists a specific pattern that'd make this rot, rather than revision. but i guess same can be said about any decay process. 1948827;1572432443;mp_en_viaje;what can i tell you. 1948828;1572432549;hanbot_abroad;well...what about trb then, for instance? 1948829;1572432570;mp_en_viaje;what about trb ? 1948830;1572432598;hanbot_abroad;does it similarly need going over with dental picks for potential extractions? 1948831;1572432635;mp_en_viaje;i expect. 1948832;1572432711;hanbot_abroad;and cuntoo? and the logger? 1948833;1572432772;mp_en_viaje;hanbot_abroad, i'm actually paying to have the logger fixed, get the ass-sucking dependency he baked in there as an idiot taken out. 1948834;1572432799;mp_en_viaje;cuntoo iirc was trinque's work ; not so sure how it stands these days, there was some drama that didn't resolve any. 1948835;1572432891;mp_en_viaje;fucking flask for fuck's sake. 1948836;1572433624;diana_coman;cuntoo is currently the genesis + roadmap really but at any rate, trinque's indeed. 1948837;1572433898;*;hanbot_abroad realizes she confused a hand-out asciilifeform kernel config for direct involvement 1948838;1572434077;hanbot_abroad;anyway. ima stare sadly into the gloomy hungarian day awhile. 1948839;1572434289;diana_coman;!!v 634A618F72BE1801945FD7253B326DE35C05CCF57B8A52FF24ECC97EA6146033 1948840;1572434289;deedbot;diana_coman rated dorion 2 << my pageboy; writes at http://dorion-mode.com/ 1948841;1572442199;asciilifeform;pretty great 1938 sovok trial going here. ( tho for some reason mp, in role of andrey vyshinsky, forgot to unplug asciilifeform's microphone ? and process the [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-29#1948664][confession] ? ) 1948842;1572442200;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-29 15:43:39 asciilifeform: [http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=qQwH][same as above, but decodable by mp_en_viaje key] . 1948843;1572442243;asciilifeform;'overloaded the trains to wear out the rails of our motherland'(tm)(r). 1948844;1572442369;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-30#1948747 << apparently mp's allegiance is to the inca state. with ~himself~ in role of the great inca. 1948845;1572442369;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-30 10:38:52 mp_en_viaje: i am saying, qutie plainly, that the man's allegiance is to [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-17#1936950][the inca state], through the intermediate avenue of staqu quo preservation. again, not intentionally, but intention dun enter into any of it. 1948846;1572442370;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-17 14:58:32 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-17#1936895 << the four foregoing lines are amusing, because 100% of your emissions re comings and goings of great inca are predictable, always downstream on the basis of "great inca is great". 1948847;1572442370;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-17 13:38:31 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: exactly like the chinese cultural rev. (which shut off like a lamp when mao flicked switch) this one is a 'controlled burn'. 1948848;1572442442;mp_en_viaje;seems the model's already breaking down then ? 1948849;1572442501;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: maybe, which is why bothering to answer. 1948850;1572442565;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-30#1948712 << there's no chance we're going to the same hell, mp_en_viaje . we're going to different hells, aint room enuff in 1 for both of us. 1948851;1572442566;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-30 10:24:17 mp_en_viaje: i want to make sure i've done all i can so i don't end up in the same circle of hell as he, and the rest of them "engineering" retards, from [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935137][chuck dicksuck] to all the rest. 1948852;1572442566;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-09 05:40:35 mircea_popescu: all sorta chuck moores, "famous" and apparently ever so good and useful, just WAITING for you to give them a chance to strangle you. 1948853;1572442582;mp_en_viaje;making contradictory statements every other line is not called "answer" ; moreover don't strain yourself, there's unique gossipd nodes awaiting and things. 1948854;1572442689;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i dun have kilometre of buffer, maybe half dozen moar. ( atm waiting for walletron refill tx to get mined so i can settle invoice , and BingoBoingo to post photos for final manifest. ) 1948855;1572442763;mp_en_viaje;enjoy. 1948856;1572442989;asciilifeform;so, it happens that i agree 100% with [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-30#1948710][mp_en_viaje's 'wat-do'] -- yes, throw out the [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-30#1948754][poisoned offerings]. all of'em. go to stone age circa 2013, remake yer tech stack w/ own steam ( and remember to properly steal the asciilifeform creations you can't actually do without, pick a designated aryan to assign credit. ) 1948857;1572442989;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-30 10:22:55 mp_en_viaje: but we absolutely must look at the whole stack, with a clear eye, and clean it of alf idiocy. i don't even care if some useful bits get thrown out in the process so much 1948858;1572442990;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-30 10:40:58 diana_coman: poisoned offerings, if I understand you correctly. 1948859;1572443013;asciilifeform;or, even simpler, go straight to microshit, they've a ready-made stack for errything, incl. crypto, with absolutely 0 asciilifeform 'worm shite' in it. 1948860;1572443073;mp_en_viaje;something in between, at any rate. 1948861;1572443076;asciilifeform;'republic of php' ftw. флаг в руки. 1948862;1572443166;asciilifeform;if asciilifeform in fact hypnotized people into taking up his charlatanry, then the Right Thing is a '-10 : effectively scammed me for 7y out of grip of realty' from erryone who agrees. 1948863;1572443292;asciilifeform;i dun even grasp, mp_en_viaje , why mp_en_viaje et al are in 'omfg wat-do' mode. the Right Thing to do , per mp_en_viaje's handbook, and all written tradition, is ~exactly~ this. 1948864;1572443313;mp_en_viaje;our readings of tradition differ. 1948865;1572443441;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i can't resist to ask, why did mp_en_viaje not yet accept asciilifeform's resignation ? 1948866;1572443469;mp_en_viaje;i got actual shit to do dude, go larp somewhere else. 1948867;1572443500;asciilifeform;rright 1948868;1572443664;asciilifeform;indeed i expect mp_en_viaje is very busy nao, what with mailing out razor blades an' page #s where asciilifeform has to be cut outta the great soviet encyclopaedia. 1948869;1572443784;asciilifeform;personally i recommend replacement article 'asclepius'. (like 'bering straight' went instead of beria.) 1948870;1572444062;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-30#1948771 << the 6mo i spent in '15 figuring out how to perma-remove poettering from gentoo, apparently not count. ( tho, for consistency: gentoo per se is , turns out, hypnotic scam perpetrated by asciilifeform , there's a perfectly fine!111 os you can buy from redmond, no evil craftsmen required to maintain ) 1948871;1572444062;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-30 11:11:37 hanbot_abroad: realizes she confused a hand-out asciilifeform kernel config for direct involvement 1948872;1572444405;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-30#1948752 << y'know, it's a 100% published item -- anyone whose hands grow from torso, and not arse, and at very small expense, can make his own fg. ( but do you ~want~ to, what if 'poisoned offering' , and whole idea of 'need trng' is saboteur heresy ? ) 1948873;1572444405;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-30 10:40:47 mp_en_viaje: yes, it's nice to have the fg ; but not at the cost of being stuck waiting for an isp that elaborately ain't happening. and so following. 1948874;1572444472;asciilifeform;asciilifeform for instance is aboutta put'em back into production. ( mp_en_viaje asked to repossess whole current stock, which he'll get, when posts where he wants'em to go ; and so happens that i'ma need new ones. ) 1948875;1572444599;asciilifeform;( it aint clear for what mp_en_viaje wants'em, aside from outta spite, if they're a work of sabotage; but it aint my place to ask ) 1948876;1572444731;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-30#1948702 << this is pretty interesting : apparently ~asciilifeform~ 'sent'em out', and not the fuhrer issuing '-10 : insufficient commitment to revolution' like candy. 1948877;1572444732;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-30 10:19:25 mp_en_viaje: there's two major points where his idiocy conceivably sabotaged us. of this, the part where we're certainly not getting people in at the rate he sends them out is not of interest to smg. 1948878;1572444886;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-30#1948740 << right, the only trooly intentional act is to sit in cafe and smoke cigar made of benjies. whereas to try an' sew some sorta usable purse outta 30 yrs of 'tech market' sow's ear , is what furniture does. ( at least mp_en_viaje is 100% consistent with his greeks, aristotle would sign under this. 'kings -- intention, while work is what livestock does' .) 1948879;1572444886;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-30 10:31:45 mp_en_viaje: i don't think it's intentional, in the sense that i don't think alf has the capacity for intentional activity. he's an object, like any chair, or compass, or whatever. 1948880;1572445412;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, looky, i get it, it's unpleasant to wake up in the morning and read today's log. it can't be helped ; moreover, you built it, systematically an' carefully, by your very own self, an' against the opinion, advice an' as close to knock upside your dumb head as anyone managed. what can you ask of people, that they fly over and literally beat you into sense ? 1948881;1572445412;mp_en_viaje;it's what it is ; you don't like it, you shouldn't have made it. 1948882;1572445412;mp_en_viaje;otherwise, since ~literally~ 100% of the crap on the "free" and "open" anglo internet is ~LITERAL~ fucking restatement of the ~~~EXACT FUCKING SAME~~~ five line passage from [http://trilema.com/2016/usg-in-btc-a-history-of-constant-failure/][harvard]'s 1999 offering of doubleplusgood truth&realities (if you don't count a very carefully expurgated version on "marxists.org" -- lulzily, "dog" appears exactly once ; "vulture" not at 1948883;1572445415;mp_en_viaje; all), i'll forego quoting anything ; but cliffnotes instead of likbez, comrade Vyshinsky was a very peculiar sort of MC. 1948884;1572445420;mp_en_viaje;entirely nothing in common with any sort of european understanding of law or legal proceeding ; he was rather the guy on the porn set going "fuck that whore"/"whop that twist" whatever, or else the dude at the frat party chanting "drink! drink!", or if you prefer the boomboxing dude behind the rappers or what have you. he was the bumstcz dude, what, like at a yupik manhut party exactly. 1948885;1572445473;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: actually i disagree that it's unpleasant. i fully expected you'd stall for weeks. but much better to have the firing squad when ready, and not when 'weeks of reflection', this is sumthing i think sovok got right 1948886;1572445821;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-30#1948815 << ftr ~asciilifeform~ likes his 7o of works just fine. and will continue to make'em available, and developed, in the obvious place. (for whom? for folx who get tired of 'php republic'; for folx who stuck b/w mp_en_viaje's hammer and anvil , having to actually make the systems go, while elaborately pretending to do it with properly blessed 'aryan physics' ; or for no one at al 1948887;1572445821;asciilifeform;l, makes 0 diff. ) 1948888;1572445821;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-30 14:23:32 mp_en_viaje: it's what it is ; you don't like it, you shouldn't have made it. 1948889;1572445858;asciilifeform;this is spelled out in asciilifeform's resignation, which ( as mp_en_viaje 'can't be arsed to larp!11' ) i'ma drop into deedbot when the tx clears and BB returns photos etc. 1948890;1572446045;asciilifeform;if possible i'd like to collect all the due -10 bullets from the firing squad which 'went to reflect' 1st. but this is purely asciilifeform's aesthetic pref, obv. not necessarily will be followed. 'let those w/out sin throw 1st stone.' 1948891;1572446314;mp_en_viaje;meanwhile in more practical considerations, today's log went from 2k words before you woke up to 4k words currently, while the snr went from 90% to 50% or so. it's not even simply the instant fact that none of your lines contribute on the desirable side -- it's that the whole show's a fucking re-run! 1948892;1572446339;mp_en_viaje;i sit here watching the redancing of a dance you danced coupla years ago, knowing full well you'll come full circle from this, as from all other positions. it's... 1948893;1572446350;mp_en_viaje;really, it's a waste of pixels. 1948894;1572446447;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: but of course. 7y+ waste of pixels, obv. so let's then settle all the objectively unfinished biz ( trinque where is tx 5e2b91f003f4af577244005ee0fd57701a03abeae76323716d06eb71f49b7837 ? ) and be done. 1948895;1572446601;asciilifeform;i fully expect that the folx for whom turd turns to sausage when it is decreed from throne in 100% grammatical latin, will carry on their php rewrites, cpp rewrites, etc. w/out skipping a beat. i have nfi what they even went to 'reflect' about. 1948896;1572446634;diana_coman;asciilifeform: if you are aiming that at me, then have the decency to say it to my face and with name, will you? 1948897;1572446701;asciilifeform;diana_coman: aimed at the whole l1, not you in particular. tho if shoe fits, can wear , if you want. 1948898;1572446750;diana_coman;asciilifeform: no, there is no such thing as aimed at a level; name people if you are aiming at anyone or otherwise don't just throw words about. 1948899;1572446786;asciilifeform;aite, diana_coman : let's then at you. did asciilifeform hypnotize you into 'wrecking' smg product ? 1948900;1572446802;diana_coman;asciilifeform: you did not hypnotize me into anything. 1948901;1572446905;asciilifeform;diana_coman: you in fact read & signed the patches of all items i touched that were put to use in smg. so per mp_en_viaje's philosophy, that makes you equal to the orig author. if the item you signed indeed was product of artful sabotage, you an' i are equally answerable . 1948902;1572446954;diana_coman;asciilifeform: that's none of your concern. 1948903;1572446954;asciilifeform;same goes for the [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-30#1948764][trb users]. (wai they not 'went over with comb' ~before~ ? it's what signing means. 'i understand what i'm signing.' ) 1948904;1572446954;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-30 10:49:58 hanbot_abroad: does it similarly need going over with dental picks for potential extractions? 1948905;1572447040;asciilifeform;diana_coman: rright, folx going about not only using vtron, but teaching entire university course on it, while ignoring the basic logical consistency of 'i signed, i am equally responsible' aint none of my concern, aite. 1948906;1572447074;diana_coman;asciilifeform: no; MY responsibility for MY acts is not YOUR concern; nor your hiding place. 1948907;1572447105;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i aint interested in a 'hiding place', but a proper firing squad. in case wasn't clear. 1948908;1572447108;diana_coman;I am fine to answer for my own sig on what I signed. 1948909;1572447123;trinque;asciilifeform: this daddy hurt me routine is embarrassing, man. 1948910;1572447128;diana_coman;asciilifeform: so I gather you are dissapointed there isn't one; fine. 1948911;1572447162;asciilifeform;diana_coman: my observation is that mp_en_viaje set up ~circular~ firing squad, that is sure to continue after asciilifeform properly drummed out. 1948912;1572447250;diana_coman;asciilifeform: all right. 1948913;1572447387;asciilifeform;trinque: you think mp_en_viaje needs echoes, 'yes men' ? fella knows what he wants. ( what wants, is to somehow have working tech, while cutting off own hands. incidentally yer prolly [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-21#1947274][next] hand to be cut. ) 1948914;1572447388;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-21 10:15:42 mp_en_viaje: the second, which is the hanging matter, is that i meanwhile specced a new functioning of ratings and voicing, the to-spec execution of which being the very bedrock upon which deedbot payments even work. come april or whatever, i'm not about to do the old style lordship ratings, 1948915;1572447437;trinque;it is this, where you respond to what you wish, instead of what someone else has said, you realize? 1948916;1572447469;asciilifeform;trinque: if you like. ( this, i learned from the master. ) 1948917;1572447610;trinque;if I don't get it done, it'll have been me, and not daddy having been mean... whereas. 1948918;1572447643;asciilifeform;trinque: where's the line where asciilifeform blames mp_en_viaje ( or trinque , et al ) for an item that aint done ? 1948919;1572447647;trinque;the sad thing in your case is that you're so intelligent of a particular kind, you think it excuses you to be undeveloped in all other areas. 1948920;1572447804;trinque;rather, these things aren't even thought; they're felt and then angrily and fearfully defended. 1948921;1572447807;asciilifeform;again w/ the psychobabbles. as if i've any need to 'excuses'. i'm speaking strictly to spell out the logical implications of what mp_en_viaje said, for the thick. ( and incidentally i dun disagree w/ him, if you want to be rid not only of asciilifeform but of his ghost, you gotta rewrite it all in php, cpp, on microshit... ) 1948922;1572447838;trinque;if you had so much contempt for us all, that without you we're nothing, why take so long to say so? 1948923;1572447939;asciilifeform;trinque: why would i bother to expand, if 'had contempt' ? i entirely respect the l1. which is why would like a proper, well-reasoned bullet from each remaining lord. 1948924;1572447992;asciilifeform;( vs a ' mp_en_viaje proclaimed damnatio memoriae , and we'll all follow along like automata ' ) 1948925;1572448120;trinque;friend says "shower" and you say "take me, stink and all, or bullet!" 1948926;1572448122;*;trinque bbl 1948927;1572448142;asciilifeform;trinque: let's have yours. did asciilifeform sabotage your products ? contaminated w/ charlatanry ? 1948928;1572448782;BingoBoingo;http://bingology.net/2019/10/29/preliminary-inventory-of-items-once-hosted-by-pizarro-and-presently-in-my-care/ << Updated with requested photos 1948929;1572448822;mp_en_viaje;bimbo (who watched [http://trilema.com/2016/two-shits/#footnote_2_67747][walk of shame] with us yesterday, and was very miffed at the whole premise -- "that dumb bitch, they even speak her language!" ; as one who has spent days exactly in the manner there depicted but in rando orclands, she's quite entitled to the pov) : "so... umm... i published an article... it's not very good..." 1948930;1572448822;mp_en_viaje;"that's ok, honey. everything's better than the channel nowabouts." 1948931;1572448831;mp_en_viaje;from whence we discern that timing really is everything. 1948932;1572448908;feedbot;http://bimbo.club/2019/10/1000-words-a-day/ << Bimbo Club -- 1000 words a day. 1948933;1572448994;BingoBoingo;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-30#1948678 << tyvm, the dialogue and punchline were banging around in my head for a couple hours. Had to dump it in the publish box to get the exercise in. 1948934;1572448994;ossabot;Logged on 2019-10-30 06:40:40 mp_en_viaje: too heavyhanded, man, reads more like a preacher tract. gotta give the characters life of their own, not life of the story. 1948935;1572449006;mp_en_viaje;fiar enuff 1948936;1572449126;BingoBoingo;I can't expect myself to shift right away into great fiction writing. Blog's for stretching the braincase. 1948937;1572449288;asciilifeform;trinque i rec to print out this log and reread it at your own tribunal. which will come ifnot this april, then next april, or whenever mp_en_viaje decides to rip off yer epaulettes for not coming up with 'biz plan' where you live on threepence/day to rewrite deedbot in php. 1948938;1572449324;*;asciilifeform will bbl; will process BingoBoingo's item after tea. 1948939;1572449381;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: You have the link to the full tarball from yesterday if anything important seems to be missing. 1948940;1572452988;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the 1 missing item is the pile of FGs not inside machines. 1948941;1572453038;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i'ma post a similar photocatalogue later today of the small inventory here. and sign the text description. 1948942;1572453154;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Alright, I'll open up the S.MG boxes while I'm at it. 1948943;1572453245;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: we retrofitted FG into trinque's also, but he paid for those. so only open his if he requests. 1948944;1572453419;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I removed those during the count as trinque has made it clear that he has little interest in the future of that chassis. I am also now going to have to put statement and not archaeology on the to do list to sort out wtf is going on with that, because it does affect the meaning of the count. 1948945;1572453472;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: by all means make exact count plz. 1948946;1572453525;BingoBoingo;There is an exact count. The problem now is resolving title on members of the counted set. 1948947;1572453602;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i'ma put this in the signed statement, but 2 of the fg here belong, presently, to piz. the rest (in fact factory tailings that were never on the official books) -- to mp. and ideally he'll say where he wants'em mailed, when properly proclaims liquidation. 1948948;1572453682;asciilifeform;while mp_en_viaje prolly intends to try an' paint asciilifeform as a thief, on top of charlatan, i've no intention of making ~that~ job easy for him. 1948949;1572453869;asciilifeform;if asciilifeform is 'thief', then what he 'stole' is , i suppose, republic's tech stack. and 'stole' via same mechanism that mp 'steals' [http://trilema.com/2018/must-suck-to-be-one-of-you-average-guy-with-a-great-sense-of-humor-losers-seriously-now/][gurlz from castratos], i.e. by simply showing up. it aint my fault that asciilifeform's left hand flew circles around errybody else's collective pairs of hands historically. 1948950;1572454528;asciilifeform;( pet (who ate 100% log) to a: 'so, finally '38, he declared you a враг народа, eh' ; a:'aha. i expect transport crate that fits you will be showing up soon; as you know, mp claims ownership of all gurlz, yer gettin' repossessed' p : 'lol' ) 1948951;1572454550;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I understand your desire to construct a defense, but look. I just took apart and reassembled a hand stack of machines to get two photos at your request. You introduced a potential competing claim to title on some of the FUCKGOATS, which I will investigate as I must. However the count and all the photos in the world don't mean shit if you sign off on a S.NSA closing inventory that includes items other folks hold the title 1948952;1572454550;BingoBoingo;to. THAT would make problems. 1948953;1572454556;mp_en_viaje;wouldja put all the rest of this in #asciilifeform, where it properly belongs ? 1948954;1572454567;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: Alright 1948955;1572454585;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: will put. gotta sort out who the FG must go to tho, before can sign on these. 1948956;1572454630;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i'm trying to establish that all the FG that went to piz, minus 2, are in fact at piz. is all. 1948957;1572454647;mp_en_viaje;i dunno why all this herpy-derp anyways, wasn't s.nsa interest in pizarro a btc or thereabouts ? what's all the hw wank ? 1948958;1572454674;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: you ordered a full iron inventory of anyffin that may fall under snsa, so it's happening. 1948959;1572454679;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: 0.9 1948960;1572454703;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, right 1948961;1572454776;asciilifeform;i dun care to read any bullshit later that e.g. asciilifeform put 1 in his back pocket and hid. 1948962;1572454778;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, so the inventory of pizarro in #pizarro, asciilifeform 's self-penned philippicae, in #asciilifeform and so on 1948963;1572454847;asciilifeform;i did [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-28#1948508][ask earlier] for BingoBoingo to put the #p proceedings in #p . imho is where belongs. 1948964;1572454847;snsabot;Logged on 2019-10-28 16:20:50 asciilifeform: moar alive nao than ever. as for mp_en_viaje , plox to post the signed addr. piz liquidators, plox to take proceedings to #p. folx who intend to continue to crib off asciilifeform's work, which continues, or want functioning hosting : to #a. (which i'ma take is no longer official mp castle, i'ma take off the sign shortly.) next gen of FG will still be produced, on asciilifeform's dime ( and i'ma respect mp_en_vi 1948965;1572454930;asciilifeform;the final output i'ma put on own www, as mp_en_viaje explicitly req'd. 1948966;1572454978;mp_en_viaje;alright then. 1948967;1572455885;mp_en_viaje;"Eleanor Winsor Leach claimed, in her Lacanian analysis Gendering Clodius" bwahahaha HORY SHIT these retards. 1948968;1572457091;feedbot;http://thewhet.net/2019/10/central-european-retrospective-austria/ << The Whet -- Central European Retrospective: Austria 1948969;1572466261;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/10/us-federal-reserve-commits-to-making-usd-still-cheaper/ << Qntra -- US Federal Reserve Commits To Making USD Still Cheaper 1948970;1572467900;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/10/us-court-family-not-entitled-to-compensation-after-police-destroyed-home-pursuing-shoplifter/ << Qntra -- US Court: Family Not Entitled To Compensation After Police Destroyed Home Pursuing Shoplifter 1948971;1572469882;BingoBoingo;In local news: https://www.montevideo.com.uy/Noticias/Tres-personas-intentaron-ingresar-a-planta-de-explosivos-del-Ejercito-en-Florida-uc734275 1948972;1572469973;mp_en_viaje;uy makes its own gunpowder ?! 1948973;1572470262;BingoBoingo;They've got plenty of cellulose, now beating beef as an export in real value terms. Difficult to be certain the the extent a "planta de explosivos" is actually a factory. 1948974;1572470361;BingoBoingo;There is a faint, cottage scale, remnant of a domestic arms industry. 1948975;1572470391;mp_en_viaje;otoh guncotton (aka nitrocellulose) trivial enough to make, even 13yo me made some. 1948976;1572470410;mp_en_viaje;in there with filament lightbulbs and such, africa-level techs. 1948977;1572470542;BingoBoingo;Right, I am uncertain the extent to which things here do as claimed. "Planta de explosives" could be the exact equivalent of a western farm kid's back shed except with uniforms and such. 1948978;1572470602;mp_en_viaje;i see it. 1948979;1572470689;BingoBoingo;Kinda like how here the local police seccional is where old men hang out while younger men in uniforms take reports to enter into the official record as a sorta notary. 1948980;1572470757;mp_en_viaje;police work these days is pretty much the lulz of all time. 1948981;1572471843;BingoBoingo;It appears so 1948982;1572471977;BingoBoingo;I mean here they'll put a tiny girl and a derpy, funny guy walking a beat. Then they'll have the guy built for a fight doing his best to hunt and pick type reports, straining all the while. 1948983;1572472113;BingoBoingo;And folks wonder why the people working the cash trucks here went from revolvers and shotguns when I arrived to having a fellow this week with a .30 caliber, AR-10 type rifle. 1948984;1572472129;BingoBoingo;Among the other armed folk 1948985;1572472229;mp_en_viaje;lotta sit-on-ass-take-exam involved. 1948986;1572472241;mp_en_viaje;derpy guy & girl did better on paper at walking beats, so... 1948987;1572472619;BingoBoingo;On further reading it turns out that plant apparently produces explosives for the slowly growing mining sector 1948988;1572472661;mp_en_viaje;hanbot_abroad, you know your pics are fucking great, SO BIG 1948989;1572474663;lobbes;^ indeed, looking through them I realize how small my photo post pics are in comparison. Will need to remedy this on next one 1948990;1572474784;feedbot;http://bimbo.club/2019/10/apples/ << Bimbo Club -- Apples 1948991;1572493818;feedbot;http://bingology.net/2019/10/31/qntra-journalism-short-course-a-proposal/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Qntra Journalism Short Course: A Proposal 1948992;1572514495;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/the-dazzling-array-of-angles-a-celebration/ << Trilema -- The dazzling array of angles -- a celebration! 1948993;1572515199;*;diana_coman stops own draft and goes to read the new article. 1948994;1572515385;mp_en_viaje;sorry 1948995;1572515593;diana_coman;not at all, I can certainly do with more clarity on the whole thing (hence drafting in the first place) 1948996;1572515657;mp_en_viaje;my pleasure then :p 1948997;1572515662;diana_coman;:) 1948998;1572523105;*;mp_en_viaje shall bbl. 1948999;1572544762;feedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2019/10/31/working-with-ideals-and-perfections/ << Ossa Sepia -- Working with Ideals and Perfections 1949000;1572553267;BingoBoingo;Wb mp_en_viaje 1949001;1572553268;mp_en_viaje;sooo... did i miss anything ? 1949002;1572553310;diana_coman;the silence! 1949003;1572553326;BingoBoingo;Not particularly. Did IRL'ing. The damned's counsel tried to call my counsel when he was out of the office. 1949004;1572553345;mp_en_viaje;they don't do the whole secretary thing down there huh 1949005;1572553364;BingoBoingo;Well, they didn't want to talk to the secretary. 1949006;1572553371;mp_en_viaje;im reminded of this ancient paul newman thing, he's a drunk lawyer, picks up some tort case. 1949007;1572553385;mp_en_viaje;not a great film, but holy god did old new york breathe through the background. 1949008;1572553515;mp_en_viaje;anyways, my voyages are now concluded! 1949009;1572553551;BingoBoingo;Aren't you a little young to be ending the voyages plural? 1949010;1572553556;mp_en_viaje;well... hm. what i mean is, i'm back at eurocastle mp, rather than on the road. 1949011;1572553574;mp_en_viaje;3 layers of voyage! 1949012;1572553586;BingoBoingo;Ah. The layering, it works! 1949013;1572553598;BingoBoingo;As long as it isn't too rounded 1949014;1572553627;mp_en_viaje;erryone here very fucking exciting to hear from me for some reason, shall be doing a buncha rounds of coffees and adventuretellings in the coming days. 1949015;1572553692;BingoBoingo;Nice. The meat networking here is ongoing, but far more productive than when I got off the plain with the wrong language loaded. 1949016;1572553810;mp_en_viaje;florimund did 20k kilometers in ~month. i'm talking to like, pro cabbies etc, "how much did you do since you saw me off ?" "umm... 11k or so" "pfff....lightweight!" 1949017;1572553812;mp_en_viaje;fun with pairs of girls. it pays! think, i can drive perpetually, there's always someone resting! 1949018;1572553868;BingoBoingo;lol 1949019;1572553892;mp_en_viaje;i'm totally spoiled for any kind or manner of car usage hence. 1949020;1572553942;mp_en_viaje;!!up sensiblemn 1949021;1572553942;deedbot;sensiblemn voiced for 30 minutes. 1949022;1572553945;mp_en_viaje;and who might you be sensiblemn ? 1949023;1572554665;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, you realise, you'll have to read all this [http://ossasepia.com/2019/10/31/working-with-ideals-and-perfections/#comment-6850][weird crap] in like a decade or w/e ? 1949024;1572554680;mp_en_viaje;well, not have-have, i suppose, but... 1949025;1572554946;feedbot;http://bingology.net/2019/10/31/peso-watch-october-2019-edition/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Peso Watch October 2019 Edition 1949026;1572554980;mp_en_viaje;anyway, to put at least one rng'd insanity to rest explicitly : i work women rather than men not because women are weaker than men, but because women are stronger than men. if this weren't the case i'd simply be gay, no question about it. 1949027;1572555329;BingoBoingo;Going from the muted human sexual dimorphism in Angloland to Urug land where the dimorphism is more pronounced... The greater strength of women is clear. 1949028;1572556020;BingoBoingo;Even pichis carrying everything they own everywhere don't come close to the routinely heft payloads the tiny mommies tote around. 1949029;1572556033;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, so paul scofield (as a most excellent sir thomas more) talks to his daugther : 1949030;1572556038;mp_en_viaje;"Father, there's a new act going through parliament. And by this act, they're going to administer an oath about the marriage." 1949031;1572556038;mp_en_viaje;"On what compulsion is the oath?" 1949032;1572556038;mp_en_viaje;"High treason." 1949033;1572556038;mp_en_viaje;"But what is the wording?" 1949034;1572556038;mp_en_viaje;"Do the words matter? We know what it means." 1949035;1572556040;mp_en_viaje;"Tell me the words. An oath is made of words. It may be possible to take it." 1949036;1572556042;mp_en_viaje;"Take it?" 1949037;1572556044;mp_en_viaje;"And if it can be taken, you must take it, too." 1949038;1572556046;mp_en_viaje;"No!" 1949039;1572556050;mp_en_viaje;"Listen, Meg. God made the angels to show him splendour. As he made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But Man he made to serve him wittily, in the tangle of his mind. If he suffers us to come to such a case that there is no escaping, then we may stand to our tackle as best we can. And yes, Meg, then we can clamour like champions, if we have the spittle for it.But it's God's part, not our own, to bring ourselves to such a pass. 1949040;1572556055;mp_en_viaje;Our natural business lies in escaping. If I can take this oath, I will." 1949041;1572556147;diana_coman;ahaha. 1949042;1572556172;diana_coman;it would also be rather boring otherwise. 1949043;1572556194;mp_en_viaje;simple yet boring. 1949044;1572556285;diana_coman;there's all sorts of simple and not all of it boring; that there though would be the boring-simple, more like the simple remains of a cut-out than the simple path to the core of an intricacy. 1949045;1572556309;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/10/chile-cancels-apec-summit-over-transit-fare-rebellion/ << Qntra -- Chile Cancels APEC Summit Over Transit Fare Rebellion 1949046;1572556312;mp_en_viaje;in any case [http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_QjuzUIuGxF4/TDOcyvNg0oI/AAAAAAAAAPY/ZZ9JH6HFdzc/s1600/Sir+Thomas+More.jpg][more] never looked as splendid as when scofield dressed up in him. 1949047;1572556357;diana_coman;quite. 1949048;1572557303;mp_en_viaje;o btw, i nearly forgot! hey trinque , are alf's funds confiscated yet ? partay ? 1949049;1572557307;mp_en_viaje;but seriously : asciilifeform has over ~all the other morons of his ilk (though they prefer to call themselves "engineers" or w/e) the significant superiority that he wants out of his idiocy at least to the degree of talking about it, contrasted to the [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log-search?q=whisperers&chan=trilema][more customary] "keeping to themselves". 1949050;1572557308;mp_en_viaje;i had no intention to negrate him at the onset ; i still have no intention to, notwithstanding he's spewing all sort an' manner of insanity -- this not because it's laughably ineffectual an' self-defeating, but because i don't believe in damnation by quality. 1949051;1572557310;mp_en_viaje;i admit that he doesn't sound altogether sane, an' if you wish to take it as a poor reflection on my judgement that i permit insanity to stand in the light i'll have to bear it ; the alternative strikes me as outright perversity and i dun wanna. 1949052;1572557496;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: it is difficult to resist a good ol'fashioned gloves-off flamefest , but i give my word re to not spam your chan ( in fact will be mostly afk for next coupla d. ) 1949053;1572557510;mp_en_viaje;all the better. 1949054;1572558541;mp_en_viaje;an' now, time for a nice long bath ; with a bottle of pelin rosu de urlati (man... that's something everyone gotta try sometime). 1949055;1572558543;mp_en_viaje;so.. bbl 1949056;1572558574;BingoBoingo;Enjoy 1949057;1572558739;mod6;trinque: Since you -1'd me, am I able to get my coins out of deedbot still?