1932839;1567296125;asciilifeform;a.
1932840;1567296234;asciilifeform;#3 -- sumthing in france ; 5 -- ro; 6 -- canada; 7 -- singapur (trinque?) ; 8 -- slovak , like #1 .
1932841;1567296492;asciilifeform;here's 1 moar tidbit : 172.86.178.46 , 216.151.13.77 , and 91.218.246.31 appear in zoolag's -addnode list but have NOT supplied 1 single block in the entire period represented in above log !!!
1932842;1567296514;asciilifeform;i'ma remove'em, unless the owners (who runs these, fess up...) fix'em and write in.
1932843;1567296701;asciilifeform;the 2nd in this set, dun even ping nomoar.
1932844;1567296737;asciilifeform;the 1st dun answer on 8333 nomoar.
1932845;1567296765;asciilifeform;the 3rd, still seems to be a noad, of some description. just, catches no mice.
1932846;1567296875;asciilifeform;for thread-completeness -- if anyone has a trb that aint in my addnode ( the piz nodes -- already are in ) and would like it included -- plox to comment.
1932847;1567297164;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/09/qntra-s-qntr-august-2019-report/ << Qntra -- Qntra (S.QNTR) August 2019 Report
1932848;1567297256;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: zoolag at 592682 , btw, as of 1min ago.
1932849;1567297306;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Desk sitting at 592682 as well
1932850;1567297454;trinque;asciilifeform: nope, my trb is in uy
1932851;1567297466;asciilifeform;trinque: then i have nfi whose
1932852;1567297475;asciilifeform;iirc diana_coman has 1 in asia somewhere also
1932853;1567297513;trinque;btw rockchips acquired
1932854;1567297518;asciilifeform;a++
1932855;1567297534;asciilifeform;trinque: lemme know if you need hints re fiddling (in particular uart is gnarly)
1932856;1567297550;asciilifeform;has iirc martian baud rate
1932857;1567297557;trinque;kk, for now going to boot an arm64 whatever and poke around
1932858;1567297570;asciilifeform;a standard FG usb uartron can be used to talk to rk
1932859;1567297606;*;trinque has piles from prior arduino and (shaem) rpi doings
1932860;1567297622;asciilifeform;trinque: [http://www.loper-os.org/pub/rkuart.jpg][example with ftdi] .
1932861;1567297644;asciilifeform;^ photo from asciilifeform's test beds
1932862;1567297683;asciilifeform;be sure thing is set for 3.3v.
1932863;1567297803;asciilifeform;trinque: quickest way to 'gimme sumthing that boots' is prolly [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2295][mine] .
1932864;1567297813;asciilifeform;^ and has gcc etc. so can work.
1932865;1567297845;asciilifeform;pre-configged btw to shit tty0 to that uart.
1932866;1567297854;asciilifeform;so can set to work even if no network etc
1932867;1567297922;*;trinque goes to fire up the little guys
1932868;1567297924;asciilifeform;trinque: the linked recipe gives you the closest thing there was to a working gentoo circa '18 .
1932869;1567297939;asciilifeform;( even 'emerge' will actually work, so long as you remember not to --sync )
1932870;1567297948;trinque;btw mircea_popescu, I'm around if you want to fire off that tx
1932871;1567298170;asciilifeform;trinque if you encounter any grrr re rk, put in the log, i'ma answer asap.
1932872;1567298175;*;asciilifeform bbl,moar meat
1932873;1567298181;trinque;will do.
1932874;1567298194;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> a standard FG usb uartron can be used to talk to rk << Can it? You had me order a uart shipped here from the pastoral countryside
1932875;1567298225;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: afaik it can, but needs coaxing to set the baud.
1932876;1567298228;*;asciilifeform genuinely bbl
1932877;1567299005;trinque;btw, spyked did you actually have a theory whereby my irc bot sits doing w/e for so long it doesn't respond to pings in time?
1932878;1567299049;trinque;the most it does is insert w/e message into the db.
1932879;1567307648;asciilifeform;trinque: i doubt this is the cause, mine lives on a box w/ quite heavy load, and so far 0 disconnects to date (aside from coupla hand restarts)
1932880;1567307650;asciilifeform;!q uptime
1932881;1567307651;snsabot;asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 15d 13h 33m
1932882;1567307702;asciilifeform;when i was experimenting, found that you can get away with 20-30s delay b/w 'ping' and 'pong' and not get thrown
1932883;1567307735;asciilifeform;(i.e. it is in fact possible to fleanode with hands! via telnet)
1932884;1567320239;lobbes;alighty, I got the "bare-bones" logotron up and running (just in test chans atm): http://logs.ericbenevides.com
1932885;1567320268;lobbes;still need to: 1) test a bit more 2) import data dumps 3) get bot in all of the chans
1932886;1567320336;lobbes;what took me the longest was the damn reverse proxy stuff (never done that before). Turns out it was simple enough though; will post a guide from notes once this is confirmed running smoothly
1932887;1567320479;lobbes;hint: even though the "mod_proxy" wasn't showing up via the "apache2 -M" dump, nor in my modules.d configs... it, apparently, works anyway? Idk I'm sleep deprived nao; off to bed
1932888;1567324627;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-08-31#1932770 - mine is the first in the list there (103.36.92.112) but it doesn't seem to make it to top-1k providers of blocks; no idea why though, as far as I can tell it's been chugging along nicely all this time.
1932889;1567324627;ossabot;Logged on 2019-08-31 17:59:20 asciilifeform: btw :   awk '{print $8}' whogave_10_20_2018-8_31_2019.txt | sort | uniq > givers.txt  >> [http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/RFeO3/?raw=true][less than 200 nodez] !
1932890;1567324752;diana_coman;at least it scrapes through into top-500 though, lol.
1932891;1567353856;jurov;!!v A837C63790FD0292E6203F894FB2179FA0554CA426E2FAE06517FB325239D9C8
1932892;1567353861;deedbot;jurov paid BingoBoingo invoice 15
1932893;1567355434;feedbot;http://thewhet.net/2019/09/transfagarasan/ << The Whet -- Transfagarasan
1932894;1567358018;BingoBoingo;!Xbuy 131mn 31 1209 Wired Filthy Fiats, WU is fine but not preferred
1932895;1567358019;auctionbot;Buy order # 1056 created by BingoBoingo: 1209 Wired Filthy Fiats, WU is fine but not preferred Opening: 131mn ecu Ending: 2019-09-02 12:24:44.564940 UTC (30 hours)
1932896;1567358797;trinque;!Xbid 1056 131mn
1932897;1567358797;auctionbot;Buy order # 1056: 1209 Wired Filthy Fiats, WU is fine but not preferred Heard: 131mn from trinque. Ending: 2019-09-02 12:24:44.564940 UTC (30 hours 47 mins)
1932898;1567359026;mircea_popescu;yay!
1932899;1567359084;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-31#1932775 << sounds exactly right, actually.
1932900;1567359084;snsabot;Logged on 2019-08-31 17:59:34 asciilifeform: from this log, it would imho not be a mistake to say that there are approx 200 boxen that could be described as btc nodes . the rest -- are https://www.oglaf.com/humans/ .
1932901;1567359285;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-31#1932825 << how about nao ?
1932902;1567359285;snsabot;Logged on 2019-08-31 21:15:45 trinque: btw mircea_popescu, I'm around if you want to fire off that tx
1932903;1567359295;trinque;sure thing
1932904;1567359334;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-31#1932832 << no, it was his loop.
1932905;1567359334;snsabot;Logged on 2019-08-31 21:33:22 trinque: btw, spyked did you actually have a theory whereby my irc bot sits doing w/e for so long it doesn't respond to pings in time?
1932906;1567359336;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/my-weekend-adventure-including-the-answer-to-the-florimund-riddle-bears-how-brasov-got-itself-banned-but-romania-altogether-not-just-yet-assorted-derisions-and-aspersions-as-well-as-no-sexually/ << Trilema -- My weekend adventure. Including the answer to the Florimund riddle, bears, how Brasov got itself banned (but Romania altogether not just yet), assorted derisions and aspersions as well as no sexually explici
1932907;1567359351;mircea_popescu;trinque, aite, lemme do it over, i don't want to pay week-old invoice in bitcoin. 5 mins.
1932908;1567359363;trinque;kk
1932909;1567359465;mircea_popescu;!!withdraw 0.10432 196nBGSsr8rod8ujHNMM4NQxHshEak2pCK
1932910;1567359470;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/gCon3/?raw=true
1932911;1567359474;mircea_popescu;good call, too, it apparently went downhill.
1932912;1567359560;mircea_popescu;!!v C843C3EDAD57CBADF09B9849655F9A8590AD2665807FE81588B00FA0930C6941
1932913;1567359565;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/8Cfuf/?raw=true
1932914;1567359599;mircea_popescu;aite, i take it all good
1932915;1567359727;trinque;yep, sec.
1932916;1567359786;mircea_popescu;in other news, man it feels gooood to write/publish a new article. i actually enjoy it way the fuck more than meeting a new girl -- on average.
1932917;1567361167;trinque;holy fuck, the buildings are literally sleepy, lol.
1932918;1567361209;asciilifeform;lol i was half-expecting to see ventilation shaft of fuhrerbunker somewhere in them cobblestones.
1932919;1567361248;mircea_popescu;keks
1932920;1567361768;*;asciilifeform oddly enuff has seen 'transfagarasan' once. it was distinctly visible from plane.
1932921;1567361803;mircea_popescu;it is, yeah
1932922;1567361831;asciilifeform;also wondered, who and why drives there, when europistan has proper trains, cheap planes
1932923;1567361832;mircea_popescu;iirc one of the best serpentine roads in the world, it's a wonder they didn't simply close it and rent it out for motorcycling events
1932924;1567361844;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, people who enjoy driving
1932925;1567361853;asciilifeform;evidently ! nao answered.
1932926;1567361906;mircea_popescu;very hard to match the comfort of a haremcar in any plane/train etc.
1932927;1567361940;mircea_popescu;though cairo-aswan sleeping car was certainly close.
1932928;1567362174;asciilifeform;iirc that serpentine was built as part of 'what if war with sovok!' episode
1932929;1567362259;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in utterly mindblowing meta : nutaku.net/games/7-angels is a... game that... well... it simulates dating. for the people for whom the normal simulated dating apps ain't simulacrous enough, they have the next step over.
1932930;1567362302;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, aha, was 1970s military stuff
1932931;1567362325;asciilifeform;nao, ~why~ shoemaker expected war w/ sovok, i do not know
1932932;1567362328;mircea_popescu;nfi how the logic went, trivial to bomb out of existence, most of it is being bombed out of existence by yearly rains
1932933;1567362334;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, whole nixon stuff in the 70s
1932934;1567362364;mircea_popescu;not to mention, telling the idiots they were idiots re czech, and besides... even when gorbi took over ceausescu saw him more like an inept son figure than anythign
1932935;1567362389;mircea_popescu;ie, romanians never thought very much of russkis. nfi why and wherefore, but it's a historical fact. making their current thinking the world of ustards even more shocking.
1932936;1567362418;asciilifeform;iirc was connected w/ ro cp aligning w/ chinese line ( 'hrusch's speech at 20th party congress - betrayal of ideals!11' etc )
1932937;1567362447;mircea_popescu;possibly.
1932938;1567362477;mircea_popescu;in any case -- the only good army in the country (4th transylvania, stationed around cluj and made up of you know, mountain folk) kinda away from bucharest
1932939;1567362485;mircea_popescu;the logical move'd have been to take capital to brasov, but w/e.
1932940;1567362487;*;asciilifeform still has a chinese, circa '70 or so, towel, hanging, bought by ancestors in trip to ro. they're ~eternal.
1932941;1567362614;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: a++ bear btw. ( supposedly there is a bear in east usa, but i've never seen. even the 1 in the zoo, seems to have died 20y ago )
1932942;1567362634;mircea_popescu;this is one of a bunch, actually. we even saw a hedgehog cross the road towards sunset
1932943;1567362686;mircea_popescu;what i mean : multiple bear sightings. this one just managed to film
1932944;1567362736;asciilifeform;seems like bear's country, eh. ( is there even anyffin man-made in those parts , other than that autobahn ? )
1932945;1567362751;mircea_popescu;yep, major bear country.
1932946;1567362760;mircea_popescu;and... um, sure. like, food.
1932947;1567362778;asciilifeform;food as in, what tourists throw from autos ?
1932948;1567362819;mircea_popescu;well i mean... we ate there. seated even
1932949;1567362826;mircea_popescu;lotta man made things all around!
1932950;1567362869;lobbes;man himself is technically man-made
1932951;1567362879;mircea_popescu;the area is populated, like in europe, not wilderness, like in the us. there's a church within a day's walk in whichever direction
1932952;1567362899;asciilifeform;re czechs-in-'68 lulz -- apparently gnarly subj, with archaeologists still wanking. (supposedly -- ck was evenly split, and andropov's vote broke tie)
1932953;1567362911;mircea_popescu;afaik, yes.
1932954;1567362980;asciilifeform;there's an entire school of crackpottery that andropov was 'manchurian candidate', grown by finn 'machiavelli' otto kuusinen .
1932955;1567363021;asciilifeform;( imho as far as these go, not even unfounded, a. crowned, after all, gorby )
1932956;1567363046;mircea_popescu;i suppose
1932957;1567363094;mircea_popescu;how's life treatin ya lobbes
1932958;1567363325;lobbes;good good. About to depart for a road-trip (roughly 1200 miles of drivin' in the next 48 hours), so I'll be away from terminal for a spell
1932959;1567363329;trinque;asciilifeform: I used to see black bears in PA as a kid.
1932960;1567363331;lobbes;will be monitoring logz tho
1932961;1567363353;trinque;neato, where you headed?
1932962;1567363381;lobbes;nowhere interesting (Ohio). Bringing girly back home finally. Perhaps will take some pics for blog though on way back
1932963;1567363398;asciilifeform;lobbes: the ejected girly , that is ?
1932964;1567363401;trinque;just stick her on a bus?
1932965;1567363418;lobbes;the drive through west virginia is beautiful
1932966;1567363423;mircea_popescu;his girl, his rules!
1932967;1567363428;trinque;sorry sorry, lol
1932968;1567363439;lobbes;asciilifeform: is indeed ejected girly. Didn't come to having to call police it seems; she got the message
1932969;1567363456;trinque;listen if the cops don't show up it's not a trinquian solution!11!1
1932970;1567363462;lobbes;hahaha
1932971;1567363464;mircea_popescu;keks.
1932972;1567363499;asciilifeform;lobbes: why not. just dun get close enuff where she can re-inject the toxoplasma and make you into zombie..
1932973;1567363584;lobbes;indeed. well I'm off. have fun #t!
1932974;1567363599;trinque;safe travels
1932975;1567363909;*;asciilifeform about to restart reader.py , adding ossabot to 'bots' for proper colouration. expect ~5sec of dead time.
1932976;1567363932;*;asciilifeform done.
1932977;1567363953;mircea_popescu;one of these days ima notice one of these in time to actually stick some lines in the silence
1932978;1567363954;asciilifeform;diana_coman: plox to add 'snsabot' to yours, for similar .
1932979;1567363956;mircea_popescu;mwahahaha
1932980;1567363962;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it dun affect the logger bot.
1932981;1567363969;asciilifeform;!q uptime
1932982;1567363969;snsabot;asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 16d 5h 12m
1932983;1567363974;mircea_popescu;awww
1932984;1567363976;asciilifeform;lol
1932985;1567364051;asciilifeform;afaik this is actually 1st time that we have 100% interchangeable-part bots .
1932986;1567364097;mircea_popescu;i was thinking, all this shit is much too not fragile, wtf are we doing here!
1932987;1567364207;diana_coman;asciilifeform: hm, I thought I had added it, will have to check.
1932988;1567364207;asciilifeform;!o uptime
1932989;1567364207;ossabot;asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 2d 2h 13m
1932990;1567364211;asciilifeform;neato.
1932991;1567364409;diana_coman;bear posed even better for Hannah!
1932992;1567364449;mircea_popescu;ikr!
1932993;1567364516;asciilifeform;let's see : http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-01#1932938 < > http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-01#1932938
1932994;1567364517;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-01 15:51:41 asciilifeform: !q uptime
1932995;1567364517;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-01 15:36:15 mircea_popescu: awww
1932996;1567364531;asciilifeform;hey diana_coman , odd
1932997;1567364535;asciilifeform;why not aligned ?
1932998;1567364595;mircea_popescu;aaand her super great large format pics put my blog to shame, as seen on this curved meterwide display right here. damn.
1932999;1567364596;asciilifeform;seems like ossabot lost a line at some point ?
1933000;1567364720;asciilifeform;grr, i see why.
1933001;1567364824;asciilifeform;or nm, that wouldn't explain ( thought, at first 'it sees own output, naturally, 1st' but that wouldn't explain wai above diverges )
1933002;1567364875;asciilifeform;let's 1 moar : http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-01#1932845 << >> http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-01#1932845
1933003;1567364875;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-01 04:55:56 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-08-31#1932770 - mine is the first in the list there (103.36.92.112) but it doesn't seem to make it to top-1k providers of blocks; no idea why though, as far as I can tell it's been chugging along nicely all this time.
1933004;1567364875;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-01 04:42:31 diana_coman: at least it scrapes through into top-500 though, lol.
1933005;1567364892;asciilifeform;^ still delta of 1 .
1933006;1567364926;asciilifeform;diana_coman i suspect you missed 1 line when was manually syncing .
1933007;1567364967;diana_coman;asciilifeform: hm, the indices though seem out of sync earlier
1933008;1567365035;diana_coman;but uhm, my http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-01#1932843 is your http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-01#1932841
1933009;1567365035;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-01 03:44:26 lobbes: what took me the longest was the damn reverse proxy stuff (never done that before). Turns out it was simple enough though; will post a guide from notes once this is confirmed running smoothly
1933010;1567365035;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-01 03:28:55 lobbes: what took me the longest was the damn reverse proxy stuff (never done that before). Turns out it was simple enough though; will post a guide from notes once this is confirmed running smoothly
1933011;1567365051;diana_coman;i.e. if anything I have 2 lines more??
1933012;1567365064;asciilifeform;gotta find where, and why.
1933013;1567365088;diana_coman;well, syncing indices is gotta be automated not manual hunting though
1933014;1567365095;asciilifeform;this also
1933015;1567365530;asciilifeform;ok found
1933016;1567365538;asciilifeform;diana_coman yours logged when wasn't voiced
1933017;1567365542;asciilifeform;this accts for the extra lines.
1933018;1567365565;asciilifeform;recall that bots are 'deaf' to own output, so there is no, afaik, pill against this
1933019;1567365582;diana_coman;ah, right you are
1933020;1567365593;asciilifeform;divergence happened at birth of ossabot , the 1st time it was asked to speak
1933021;1567365605;*;asciilifeform manually walked the log-raw/ dumps, found
1933022;1567365618;diana_coman;thank you for the hunt !
1933023;1567365630;asciilifeform;np
1933024;1567365639;diana_coman;but it does mean that indices won't be in sync, pretty much, huh
1933025;1567365646;asciilifeform;nao if could think of how to cleanly fix these... to make the bot echoes actually interchangeable, as they oughta be
1933026;1567365756;diana_coman;meanwhile I found out while it failed to colour snsabot properly: I called it nsabot ofc; drat
1933027;1567365776;asciilifeform;i suspected this
1933028;1567365794;asciilifeform;( it would have been 'nsabot', too, but someone apparently is squatting that nick )
1933029;1567365801;diana_coman;fixed
1933030;1567365808;asciilifeform;ty diana_coman
1933031;1567365813;diana_coman;np at all
1933032;1567365881;asciilifeform;the divergence thing is gonna back backlinkage implementation very painful
1933033;1567365935;asciilifeform;( not to mention, impedes an imho important function of having multiple bots, i.e. where can substitute links if 1 fails )
1933034;1567366014;asciilifeform;we're gonna need a pill .
1933035;1567366060;asciilifeform;( for that matter, asciilifeform still not attempted to correct divergence vs. phf's bot, which came from the uniturds crapola 3w ago )
1933036;1567366158;asciilifeform;not to mention the horror with the dates ( it is not difficult to find lines that e.g. snsabot will quote correctly, but ossabot not, and in reverse, on acct of clock diff )
1933037;1567366216;asciilifeform;diana_coman: [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-28#1931750][thread re the latter]
1933038;1567366216;snsabot;Logged on 2019-08-28 21:09:04 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931384 << what's the url you want to have? possibly doable as apache-level URL rewrite
1933039;1567366261;diana_coman;asciilifeform: I agree re trouble but sadly I don't have any idea how to solve it
1933040;1567366291;asciilifeform;diana_coman: mircea_popescu said 'go think', so i went, to think. still haven't a pill tho.
1933041;1567366381;asciilifeform;re that thrd, asciilifeform prolly will succumb to temptation to buy rubidium clock ( they're apparently laffably cheap, 100-200 bux or so, massive pile of surplus from gsm towers ) but this aint a solution as such, i aint about to ask ~erryone~ to buy one and build the 10mhz-to-pc-clock box for same. asciilifeform is simply tired of his own clocks drifting all over.
1933042;1567366414;asciilifeform;( the lamp is apparently good for 10-20 yrs, in these )
1933043;1567366600;asciilifeform;imho that thing oughta be standard item in pc. gives clean, stable fundamental freq from which can run pll, incl. the 1 for cpu clock, in principle.
1933044;1567366671;asciilifeform;( physically -- they're about half the volume of box of cigar. )
1933045;1567366927;asciilifeform;diana_coman: take a look in your config... suddenly your box shows as 'sossabot' ??
1933046;1567366974;asciilifeform;( e.g. http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-08-26#1931351 seen via www reader )
1933047;1567366974;ossabot;Logged on 2019-08-26 23:58:39 sossabot: Logged on 2019-08-26 21:02:00 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: currently hunting for an 1u-embeddable 16port GB switch
1933048;1567367126;asciilifeform;ossabot: check your nick  =  .... in the conf
1933049;1567367130;asciilifeform;err, diana_coman ^
1933050;1567367537;diana_coman;asciilifeform: uhm, nick is fine in conf, that's weird.
1933051;1567367614;asciilifeform;seems like this happened from the colouration fix : http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-01#1932965
1933052;1567367614;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-01 15:53:56 ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-01 03:44:26 lobbes: what took me the longest was the damn reverse proxy stuff (never done that before). Turns out it was simple enough though; will post a guide from notes once this is confirmed running smoothly
1933053;1567367632;diana_coman;moreover asciilifeform it's ..yours??
1933054;1567367633;asciilifeform;grr
1933055;1567367642;asciilifeform;diana_coman: mine displays correctly
1933056;1567367654;diana_coman;I mean, your *bot* that got renamed weirdly as ossabot?
1933057;1567367670;diana_coman;e.g. http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926582
1933058;1567367670;ossabot;Logged on 2019-08-09 03:23:23 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-08#1926527 << also jhvh1 and a111 please. and i guess candilust & tb0t eventually, though not yet. oh and "ossabot" is actually "sossabot" for some reason, i guess let's stick to it.
1933059;1567367671;snsabot;Logged on 2019-08-08 21:16:41 lobbes: http://trilema.com/2019/trilema-goes-dark/#comment-130823 << Seeing as the order was given to strike scriba from the list, I have also removed it from the TMSR bot directory (which means the command prefix "!$" is available again): http://lobbesblog.com/static/tmsr_bot_directory.html
1933060;1567367714;diana_coman;ahh, drat
1933061;1567367720;diana_coman;I know what the trouble is there
1933062;1567367732;diana_coman;nm, it's in my db, will have to fix
1933063;1567367757;diana_coman;it's from when I imported your dump
1933064;1567367775;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i'ma manually set off my dump, if this helps ( can grab it in 10s or so)
1933065;1567367782;diana_coman;asciilifeform: no, not needed
1933066;1567367787;asciilifeform;aite
1933067;1567367791;asciilifeform;( done anyway )
1933068;1567367805;diana_coman;I just need to think a bit re how to fix it without creating more trouble
1933069;1567367824;asciilifeform;what was the issue there ?
1933070;1567367883;diana_coman;asciilifeform: me being silly really; your dump has nsabot user, my db has ossabot so I did stupidly a blind replace, didn't think of the name in the log
1933071;1567367889;asciilifeform;a!
1933072;1567367953;diana_coman;so yeah, "sossabot" was snsabot lol
1933073;1567367959;asciilifeform;lol
1933074;1567368131;*;asciilifeform fwiw has not yet manually fiddled the db in any way -- i.e. phf's imports are as they were found. the 1 'hand' fix was when dropped the botched eat of #e and reran w/ lobbes's corrected eater.py . but all url's are as-they-were atm.
1933075;1567368190;asciilifeform;'era 1' , when finally eaten, will be 'dekakoized' via phf's algo, i.e. <a href="...foo...">bar</a> only 'foo' will be transfomed, when foo corresponds to a kakotron url
1933076;1567368210;asciilifeform;is why i divided time into 'era'
1933077;1567368234;asciilifeform;currently era 1 has not been eaten, it is pending a pill for the clock diff grrr
1933078;1567368312;asciilifeform;diana_coman if you want snsabot url's to point to your www, imho the correct method, is this, rather than to actually alter db
1933079;1567368331;diana_coman;asciilifeform: uhm? it wasn't about url, lol
1933080;1567368348;asciilifeform;hm i was thinking diana_coman actually ran 'sed' on the db dump
1933081;1567368393;diana_coman;yes; but not for changing urls (anyway it doesn't help with that, or I don't see how since url uses nosuchlabs /ossasepia, no?)
1933082;1567368436;diana_coman;and I don't see any need to change the urls anyway
1933083;1567368441;asciilifeform;hm so for which was it ? why did the dump need to be sed'd ?
1933084;1567368467;asciilifeform;ooh hm i think i get it
1933085;1567368470;asciilifeform;cuz diff db user.
1933086;1567368482;diana_coman;asciilifeform: yep, as I said to start with, lol.
1933087;1567368487;asciilifeform;right.
1933088;1567368494;asciilifeform;ok makes sense.
1933089;1567368546;mod6;Good Afternoon, Foundation Statement for August: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2019-September/000338.html
1933090;1567368570;asciilifeform;( in re urls tho -- if we had a reliable sync, would be quite painless to have each logger re-point log links to self )
1933091;1567368574;mod6;(Mainly follows what I talked about in the logs a couple of days ago.)
1933092;1567368663;asciilifeform;mod6: a++ . chronicle errything you can, incl. (especially!) dead ends
1933093;1567368690;mod6;Yeah, will do.  It'll be an adventure.
1933094;1567368693;asciilifeform;imho mircea_popescu was right about this, gotta write it or otherwise will go in circles 4evah
1933095;1567368748;asciilifeform;the way, is said, people go in the desert
1933096;1567368805;mod6;*nod*
1933097;1567369004;mod6;crap, being called off for just a moment here. bbs
1933098;1567369425;trinque;soft suggestion, write this on a personal blog.
1933099;1567369683;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-01#1933045 << what is this ?
1933100;1567369684;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-01 16:52:52 asciilifeform: ( in re urls tho -- if we had a reliable sync, would be quite painless to have each logger re-point log links to self )
1933101;1567369891;mod6;trinque: for sure.
1933102;1567370104;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if had ...logger-a/log/trilema/.../#12345... and ...logger-b/log/trilema/.../#12345... go to same place, then their www can reliably point all links to self ( for e.g. backlinkage , when implemented) otherwise not
1933103;1567370119;mircea_popescu;why woukld he do that /
1933104;1567370186;mircea_popescu;if i use logger a it is because i use logger a ; i wouldn't appreciate seeing my lines edited to use logger b, and especially not by logger b.
1933105;1567370191;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how wouldja have backlinks ( as phf had ) work ?
1933106;1567370199;mircea_popescu;what do you mean ?
1933107;1567370283;asciilifeform;as displayed in e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-06#1044115
1933108;1567370283;a111;Logged on 2015-03-06 03:29 mircea_popescu: if you are one of the people buying belgian rubber concessions on the stock exchanges, you make money. if you're in africa, you make quick with the hands and feet.
1933109;1567370310;asciilifeform;the arrows that point to downstream (and correspondingly, upstream) refs
1933110;1567370332;mircea_popescu;yes. so what, they work if same logger is used.
1933111;1567370335;asciilifeform;tbf phf's proggy only understood own
1933112;1567370335;asciilifeform;aha
1933113;1567370342;mircea_popescu;you see a problem with this /
1933114;1567370344;mircea_popescu;?
1933115;1567370394;asciilifeform;yes, in that when errybody has own logger, and uses it to echo, nobody will have anyffin resembling a complete index of backlinks
1933116;1567370415;mircea_popescu;so ?
1933117;1567370515;asciilifeform;so that knob (not implemented yet) becomes just about worthless even in principle. but this is only tip of iceberg -- if the db's diverge arbitrarily, how wouldja go about syncing gaps, other than by hand.
1933118;1567370523;mircea_popescu;why worthless ?
1933119;1567370541;mircea_popescu;i am not discussing db divergence ; i am discussing line rewriting.
1933120;1567370579;asciilifeform;imho line rewriting is Wrong Thing entirely. errybody oughta have identical (to extent possible) db. q was re ~display~ in www , i.e. where the links point.
1933121;1567370604;asciilifeform;as in e.g. phf's, where kako links display as originally witnessed, but if clicked to to phf's log.
1933122;1567370606;mircea_popescu;i dunno i'm so crazy about redirecting the links, either.
1933123;1567370621;mircea_popescu;seems fundamentally disingenuous, "oh, you clicked on a.com ? here's my own version"
1933124;1567370629;asciilifeform;the old links are dead !
1933125;1567370646;asciilifeform;( kako's , that is, phf's -- for nao -- alive 0
1933126;1567370647;asciilifeform;)
1933127;1567370651;mircea_popescu;so this is a reason to introduce it as standard practice for live links ?!
1933128;1567370675;asciilifeform;only if you actually want backlinkage resembling phf's ( iirc mircea_popescu put it in spec, and even griped that it aint in yet , not long ago )
1933129;1567370690;mircea_popescu;yes, but i never contemplated this ctulhu beast of it.
1933130;1567370695;mircea_popescu;just, you know, within own domain
1933131;1567370749;asciilifeform;let's suppose not even want this. still imho oughta maintain sync, where #1234 goes to same thing in ea. machine. otherwise the loggers are not in fact plug-in redundant backups for 1 another .
1933132;1567370768;mircea_popescu;sure, why not.
1933133;1567370791;asciilifeform;( and hm, loox like diana_coman's unplugged for maintenance atm )
1933134;1567370847;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'm trying to draw an exact map of this 'cthulhu beast' .
1933135;1567370858;mircea_popescu;ok
1933136;1567370861;asciilifeform;so as to find what is even practical to consider .
1933137;1567370927;asciilifeform;( this ~is~ afaik 1st time that anyone attempted orchestra of synchronized bots )
1933138;1567370932;mircea_popescu;yup
1933139;1567371040;asciilifeform;imho the bare essential function is when the urls can be made interchangeable such that if 1 fails, can swap in /etc/hosts and carry on civilized conversation until it is fixed; errything other than this, is luxury.
1933140;1567371058;mircea_popescu;in principle, yes.
1933141;1567371074;mircea_popescu;but i dunno that it extends as far as an expectation of functional retrospective backlink decorations
1933142;1567371104;asciilifeform;maybe -- not. but as i understand if the above can be had, than so -- later -- could this.
1933143;1567371108;asciilifeform;*then so
1933144;1567371396;asciilifeform;re 'the beast' -- already unleashed is the beast of variant line ordering (bots will log their own output prior to any other's, per the current scheme, and it is not obvious what -- if anything -- could or even should be done about this )
1933145;1567371417;mircea_popescu;alright, but that's different, specifically in that there's no god-given time
1933146;1567371454;asciilifeform;i already despaired in re the very idea of 'synced time' ; but this is in re absolute ordering.
1933147;1567371510;mircea_popescu;we ~could~ have a rule asking bots to log themselves as they receive the echo rather than as they send the line ; but that'd only work in a sane world where it echos, afaik irc does not
1933148;1567371521;asciilifeform;it does not .
1933149;1567371543;asciilifeform;bots presently are stuck 'manually' writing down own outputs .
1933150;1567371549;mircea_popescu;so yeah. weird baked in. (gossipd, obviously, will not have the problem, everyone'll hear "here's what you allededly said" from multiple sources)
1933151;1567371566;asciilifeform;aha.
1933152;1567371586;mircea_popescu;such wunderbar winful scheme, it's a fucking wonder they didn't come up with it / use it
1933153;1567371594;mircea_popescu;then you stop and think who "they" are.
1933154;1567371625;asciilifeform;irc per se as i understand is a 'dark ages' creation, before ~anyone stopped to even try to think about ~anything
1933155;1567371651;asciilifeform;possib. 'product' of the other half of same bottle of whiskey as email.
1933156;1567371658;mircea_popescu;the original. hence n upgrades, mentioned recently.
1933157;1567371684;asciilifeform;the 'upgrades' are obv. product of 2nd bottle of whiskey.
1933158;1567371907;asciilifeform;( incidentally -- as gedankenexperiment -- even 1980s irc ~could~ have been built so as to force a sync. simply force erry issued line to carry a checksum of the prev. seen. and if wrong -- you get eggog back, and asked to resend. but no one was even giving a nanoshit about 'agree on order' etc, quite obviously )
1933159;1567372020;asciilifeform;see also lamport's piece re subj. ( actually from same period ) .
1933160;1567372030;asciilifeform;long-ago solved problem , supposing anyone could've been arsed.
1933161;1567372104;asciilifeform;e.g. bitcoin -- seen through this lens -- is simply a generalization of lamport's sync .
1933162;1567372172;asciilifeform;( lamport did not offer a 'wat-do if N parties can't agree on 'prev line'', if he had thought about this, bitcoin would have existed, at least as algo, in 1990... )
1933163;1567372357;asciilifeform;re 'why the fuck bot doesn't see own output' -- mircea_popescu had a piece re the idjicy of 'nat' , where same, q of 'what is my ip' becomes suddenly irresolvable w/out external help. i suspect in both cases 'sleep of reason breeds monsters', no one even considered to fucking think.
1933164;1567372498;asciilifeform;'new jersey philosophy', right, where 'hey it's good enuff, and if turns out not, let ~others~ clean up'. same way as email 'was goodenuff', from the idjit designer's pov, until spam, then suddenly 'what's yer problem with moving to walled gul^H^H^Hgarden, terrorist, will work there as before'. ditto irc.
1933165;1567373489;diana_coman;asciilifeform: in the end I did use your most recent dump, thank you.
1933166;1567373531;diana_coman;the above mainly because it's a cleaner solution i.e. no more sed on the db dump (re db user I simply changed manually precisely *that* and not touched any log lines)
1933167;1567373689;diana_coman;ofc the above has also as side effect that bots are now in sync re line numbers
1933168;1567373970;asciilifeform;diana_coman: appears to work. we're gonna want an algo , tho, that doesn't resolve to 'throw out my db if outta sync and eat the other's' imho .
1933169;1567374011;asciilifeform;eventually ~will~ come the time when to reconstitute 100% proper picture gotta actually walk N db's .
1933170;1567374096;asciilifeform;( esp. when we finally get 3+ logtrons )
1933171;1567374110;diana_coman;asciilifeform: indeed; though atm I can't think of anything that isn't ~= automated walk of N dbs
1933172;1567374173;asciilifeform;currently closest thing i have to a workable idea for this is a ~semi~-automatic item that'd eat N dbs and display, to operator, the divergence points, and propose all possible cuts for how to resolve; then select one.
1933173;1567374186;asciilifeform;sorta how gentoo used to have for configs.
1933174;1567374200;diana_coman;a sort of diff & merge
1933175;1567374205;asciilifeform;presently i doubt that this sorta thing can ever be safely 100% automated.
1933176;1567374310;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-01#1933121 << >> http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-01#1933121
1933177;1567374310;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-01 18:33:42 diana_coman: ofc the above has also as side effect that bots are now in sync re line numbers
1933178;1567374311;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-01 18:18:11 diana_coman: ofc the above has also as side effect that bots are now in sync re line numbers
1933179;1567374314;asciilifeform;^ worx!
1933180;1567374375;diana_coman;at least as long as nobody cites the bots.
1933181;1567374408;asciilifeform;the bots in these particular pairs, aha
1933182;1567375490;mircea_popescu;keks
1933183;1567375507;mircea_popescu;i find it really satisfyingly funny, the sort of problems we manage to trivially summon
1933184;1567377633;BingoBoingo; In local news: https://www.montevideo.com.uy/Noticias/Mujer-uruguaya-denuncia-que-fue-maltratada-y-agredida-en-un-autobus-en-Estados-Unidos-uc728698
1933185;1567380341;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/09/amazon-begins-dictating-terms-to-local-police-as-it-builds-residential-video-surveillance-network/ << Qntra -- Amazon Begins Dictating Terms To Local Police As It Builds Residential Video Surveillance Network
1933186;1567382289;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in delightful antique trilema, http://trilema.com/2010/ghidul-enervarii/
1933187;1567385073;mircea_popescu;speaking of "consequences of bad software", the mars polar lander is suspiciously never mentioned.
1933188;1567385248;BingoBoingo;lol, rocket scientists fucked by "software engineers are engineers too"
1933189;1567385270;BingoBoingo;What's your #engineerstoo story?
1933190;1567387985;BingoBoingo;https://www.oglaf.com/bgeeerk/
1933191;1567396365;feedbot;http://bingology.net/2019/09/02/peso-watch-end-augustopen-september/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Peso Watch: End August/Open September
1933192;1567410033;spyked;ohey, just noticed ossabot standing in #spyked, ty diana_coman!
1933193;1567410268;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-08-31#1932832 <-- hm. when I debugged feedbot, 1st thing I checked was how precisely it disconnects; found out that it was the ping-thread consistently [http://coad.thetarpit.org/feedbot/ircbot/c-ircbot.lisp.html#L125][calling ircbot-reconnect], which means that it timed out, i.e. [http://coad.thetarpit.org/feedbot/ircbot/c-ircbot.lisp.html#L91][ircbot-handle-pong
1933194;1567410268;ossabot;Logged on 2019-08-31 21:33:22 trinque: btw, spyked did you actually have a theory whereby my irc bot sits doing w/e for so long it doesn't respond to pings in time?
1933195;1567410274;spyked;] didn't get called in a long time (bot never got to that because it was stuck doing other stuff)
1933196;1567410283;spyked;[http://coad.thetarpit.org/feedbot/ircbot/c-ircbot.lisp.html#L91][ircbot-handle-pong], that is.
1933197;1567410590;spyked;imo it's worth trying the http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-08-23#1930317 pill; as long as the bot answers to incoming PINGs when they come, it should be fine.
1933198;1567410590;ossabot;Logged on 2019-08-23 05:37:59 spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930228 <-- until I get proper patches published, here's an idea: 1. abolish "ping-thread" from ircbot; 2. instead, set up a ping handler for the bot, and have it respond with pong; this has the disadvantage that there's no more lag tracking, but it's simpler. proof-of-concept patch: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/LohMF/?raw=true
1933199;1567410591;snsabot;Logged on 2019-08-22 21:29:11 trinque: or alternatively, where's my patch spyked ?
1933200;1567412821;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933146 - np
1933201;1567412821;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-02 04:39:29 spyked: ohey, just noticed ossabot standing in #spyked, ty diana_coman!
1933202;1567444193;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/09/macri-begins-implementing-capital-controls-as-foreign-currency-reserves-exhaust/ << Qntra -- Macri Begins Implementing Capital Controls As Foreign Currency Reserves Exhaust
1933203;1567444367;BingoBoingo;^ The pretense lasted a full 21 days before they went to to being retarded in the ways they were before. New boss, same as they old boss.
1933204;1567448448;mircea_popescu;keks
1933205;1567448488;mircea_popescu;inb4 http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-in-argentina-exactly-nothing-to-do-with-the-derps/ hurr durr v2.0
1933206;1567448971;BingoBoingo;And yet the derps protest "But Buenos Aires is so clean! Buenos Aires has a METRO!"; I counter protest they've gutted and crippled every industry they tried to the point all they do is groom each other an ride the metro.
1933207;1567449000;BingoBoingo;If you're going to sell a groom each other economy, the main streets better look clean.
1933208;1567449022;mircea_popescu;fucking ridoinculous.
1933209;1567449033;mircea_popescu;their metro is possibly the worst in the world.
1933210;1567449036;mircea_popescu;belarus even has better.
1933211;1567449076;mircea_popescu;nor is it clean, in any sense. it's so fulla garbage as only india can compare.
1933212;1567449080;BingoBoingo;The Montevideans are just butthurt actually trying to build a metro on in the local basalt would bankrupt anyone.
1933213;1567449178;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> nor is it clean, in any sense. it's so fulla garbage as only india can compare. << Uruguay looks filthier than it ought to because the "Banco Provision Social" levies taxes on contructions and building work. Counted among these taxed works is... PAINTING
1933214;1567449212;mircea_popescu;dude, buenos aires is literal waste dump level, 100 debris bits per square meter rustling softly in the wind each night.
1933215;1567449230;mircea_popescu;are you fucking kidding me ? there's no place in europe or the us, or mexico or fucking anywhere nearly as filthy,
1933216;1567449259;mircea_popescu;there's cockroaches roaming free EVERYWHERE in town, the "skyscrapers", the business district, all residential areas,
1933217;1567449260;mircea_popescu;it'
1933218;1567449266;mircea_popescu;s just filth central.
1933219;1567449343;BingoBoingo;The latinos appear to make their claim off of the area near the obelisk which they conveniently have pictures of.
1933220;1567449371;mircea_popescu;it is not true re area around obelisk. i lived there, for like a year, literally on the block 1 of corrientes, within 50m of the actual obelisk.
1933221;1567449374;mircea_popescu;also have pictures.
1933222;1567449411;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: So get ready for the punchline. The ground is NOT in their pictures!
1933223;1567449419;mircea_popescu;the downtown is ~especially~ filthy, at that.
1933224;1567449425;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo, heh
1933225;1567449465;mircea_popescu;i suppose the air is cleaner than in, say, bogota. on account of all of argentina having less industry than bogota.
1933226;1567449526;BingoBoingo;Montevideo air could be ~20 times cleaner if they's put goddamned exhaust filters on the "Omníbusses"
1933227;1567449541;BingoBoingo;But no, instead they wank that electric busses are coming soon enough
1933228;1567449545;mircea_popescu;why don't they, anyway ?
1933229;1567449620;BingoBoingo;Because the filters would cost something like ~500 USD per bus and the current Fat Forehead cardboard artist regime would rather derp about "all electric any time nao"
1933230;1567449629;mircea_popescu;meh
1933231;1567449650;mircea_popescu;and then the electricity, they're gonna make on coal fired plants or what.
1933232;1567449652;mircea_popescu;eucalyptus
1933233;1567449729;BingoBoingo;Right now Uruguay's a hyrdro country with some wind wank. There's rivers here. There's no coal though, only basalt. Finns recently committed to pulping the Eucalyptus.
1933234;1567449750;mircea_popescu;aha
1933235;1567449870;BingoBoingo;Finns also brought a "We're free to walk away from the pulp mill at any time" clause in their development contract.
1933236;1567449897;mircea_popescu;i can imagine why
1933237;1567449922;BingoBoingo;Same reason they's insist on one across the river.
1933238;1567450115;BingoBoingo;Also preliminary inqueries suggest the Argentines looking to escape into Uruguay... aren't asking about Montevideo. Nor are they asking about opportunities in the Interior either...
1933239;1567450138;BingoBoingo;The only place in Uruguay suited to Porteño tastes is PUNTA DEL ESTE!
1933240;1567450145;mircea_popescu;keks
1933241;1567450231;BingoBoingo;Punta del Este has no industry for 10 and a half months out of the year.
1933242;1567450389;BingoBoingo;Then again probably better they crowd into Punta Del Este than price the Venezolanas out of Centro, Ciudad Vieja, and Tres Cruces in Montevideo.
1933243;1567450601;mircea_popescu;yep. blesfully argentines are self-limiting disease. like bed bugs.
1933244;1567450648;BingoBoingo;And in truly grave signs, Argentina's beef exports are UP. As in fire sale: https://archive.is/MlajJ
1933245;1567451335;feedbot;http://billymg.com/2019/09/additional-tests-for-mp-wp-now-according-to-spec/ << billymg -- Additional tests for mp-wp, now according to spec
1933246;1567451430;mircea_popescu;a nice!
1933247;1567451456;mircea_popescu;^ example of ~20kb patch that's well justified.
1933248;1567451468;mircea_popescu;i expect going forward tests will be 10x to 100x the vpatch bulk
1933249;1567451814;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933149 << the one thing that logger could readily improve on, is fixing these split-line issues. can it look ahead in next line if current line has a broklen [][] structure ?
1933250;1567451814;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-02 04:27:57 spyked: ] didn't get called in a long time (bot never got to that because it was stuck doing other stuff)
1933251;1567452110;billymg;looking forward to when i can get out of the salt mines and dedicate more time to this, especially when the test suite is complete and i can get back to the mass deleting
1933252;1567452205;mircea_popescu;doing pretty well so far.
1933253;1567452220;mircea_popescu;the one cool thing about a complete testing suite is that it'd even allow rewriting into other langs.
1933254;1567452242;mircea_popescu;not that i see the benefit of retargetting to say python or bash ; nor does it seem sensible to do php work in cl. but as a principle.
1933255;1567453737;diana_coman;oh, nice work billymg ! I can fully appreciate having a testing suite esp reflecting the spec like that, nice.
1933256;1567453859;feedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2019/09/02/ossabot-and-its-flask-of-python-27-on-centos-6/ << Ossa Sepia -- Ossabot and Its Flask of Python 2.7 on CentOS 6
1933257;1567453886;billymg;ah ty diana_coman
1933258;1567453898;diana_coman;I've finally got around to making the changes from http://trilema.com/2019/proper-html-linking-the-crisis-the-solution-the-resolution-conclusion/ and it works wonderfully! e.g. http://ossasepia.com/reference-code-shelf/?b=Logotron&e=#select
1933259;1567453927;diana_coman;asciilifeform: my sigs for logotron code ^
1933260;1567456676;mircea_popescu;lol check it out diana_coman , we pinged each other at the ~same exact time
1933261;1567456679;mircea_popescu;within the minute anyways
1933262;1567456732;mircea_popescu;9:48 here both in any case.
1933263;1567457551;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: hm, I don't seem to have gotten that pingback though?
1933264;1567457821;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/so-i-was-thinking/ << Trilema -- So I was thinking...
1933265;1567459133;mircea_popescu;hm
1933266;1567461961;*;asciilifeform back from meat, ate log, nao -- various folx's ps0ts
1933267;1567462839;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933213 << ty diana_coman ! i'ma put'em on my www tomorrow
1933268;1567462839;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-02 16:35:33 diana_coman: asciilifeform: my sigs for logotron code ^
1933269;1567462932;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933180 << this, and the 1e6 grass-cutter-engined puttputts. prolly the 1 thing asciilifeform didn't like in BingoBoingostan . the humidity concentrates the gas, also
1933270;1567462933;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-02 15:22:13 BingoBoingo: Montevideo air could be ~20 times cleaner if they's put goddamned exhaust filters on the "Omníbusses"
1933271;1567462997;asciilifeform;( fwiw i suspect that there's no escape from the 2cycle motors anywhere, with possible exception of where Mocky went, where only dukes get driver license and commoners must instead camel )
1933272;1567463058;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933202 << ffa test tapes already weigh 150+MB collectively
1933273;1567463059;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-02 15:54:34 mircea_popescu: i expect going forward tests will be 10x to 100x the vpatch bulk
1933274;1567463091;*;asciilifeform 'cheated', they're of course generated by generator tapes. but fact remains, gotta have 'canonical' test
1933275;1567463186;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933203 << i wanted this in the 1st draft, but not yet thought of how to do this without mutilating the line ordering (i.e. merging fragmented lines into 1)
1933276;1567463187;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-02 16:00:20 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933149 << the one thing that logger could readily improve on, is fixing these split-line issues. can it look ahead in next line if current line has a broklen [][] structure ?
1933277;1567463205;asciilifeform;there's a pretty large pile of broken []isms in the historic log
1933278;1567463363;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933168 << the [http://ru-ar.ru]['ru-ar'] d00d claimed that current fuhrer had these cleaned. but i'd believe when see with own eyes (and i dun have expedition planned to peronistan just to find whether troo..)
1933279;1567463363;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-02 15:16:59 mircea_popescu: dude, buenos aires is literal waste dump level, 100 debris bits per square meter rustling softly in the wind each night.
1933280;1567463441;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933170 << interestingly, haven't seen cockroach for many years here in 'north argentina' . they must've emigrated to these greener pastures.
1933281;1567463441;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-02 15:17:45 mircea_popescu: there's cockroaches roaming free EVERYWHERE in town, the "skyscrapers", the business district, all residential areas,
1933282;1567463558;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933181 << ~90% of bus in washingtonistan, run on compressed propane nao. ( massive tank on roof )
1933283;1567463558;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-02 15:22:27 BingoBoingo: But no, instead they wank that electric busses are coming soon enough
1933284;1567463590;BingoBoingo;Doing busses off of LPG here would fuck up the local energy market so much...
1933285;1567463622;asciilifeform;it only even begins to make sense in locales where the gas is actually mined
1933286;1567463727;BingoBoingo;13kg tank of "supergas" is ~month of cooking for most folk's I've talked to.
1933287;1567463809;BingoBoingo;Restaurants not on the pipe gas network usually go for 45kg tanks in pairs.
1933288;1567465737;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933228 << i don't even think it's a cheat, fwiw. more like mastery.
1933289;1567465738;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-02 19:08:18 asciilifeform: 'cheated', they're of course generated by generator tapes. but fact remains, gotta have 'canonical' test

1933290;1567465769;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: initially i wrote perlisms to generate'em, then thought 'wtf' and rewrote in peh proper
1933291;1567465783;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933229 << i don't think there's anything wrong with removing the fragment of a [][] from the 2nd line and putting it in 1st.
1933292;1567465784;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-02 19:09:53 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933203 << i wanted this in the 1st draft, but not yet thought of how to do this without mutilating the line ordering (i.e. merging fragmented lines into 1)
1933293;1567465792;mircea_popescu;in fairness though, this should be fixed at client level.
1933294;1567465813;mircea_popescu;nfi that anyone's getting into fixing extant clients, and no intention to make anyone write a new irc client, so...
1933295;1567465827;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'd like a client that warns when about to frag line ( but can't be currently aroused to try an' patch 'xchat', 'irssi', other horrors )
1933296;1567465834;mircea_popescu;ikr.
1933297;1567465850;mircea_popescu;i just want it to frag correctly, treat [][] as a single word, if not fit, put in new line.
1933298;1567465874;asciilifeform;'xchat' in particular doesn't even prevent word frag
1933299;1567465876;mircea_popescu;from cursory examination this'd require however introducing the notion of wrap, extant clients do not care, split by char.
1933300;1567465880;asciilifeform;(cuts on arbitrary char)
1933301;1567465880;mircea_popescu;exactly.
1933302;1567466022;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933234 << no frost there. makes a diff.
1933303;1567466022;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-02 19:14:08 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933170 << interestingly, haven't seen cockroach for many years here in 'north argentina' . they must've emigrated to these greener pastures.
1933304;1567466082;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933236 << like [https://acum.tv/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Epoca-de-aur-autobuz-gaz.jpg][ye olde sovok] exactly.
1933305;1567466082;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-02 19:16:05 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933181 << ~90% of bus in washingtonistan, run on compressed propane nao. ( massive tank on roof )
1933306;1567466138;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: sovok had even odder thing -- taxis on propane
1933307;1567466158;asciilifeform;( where it's utterly batshit, given as can go maybe 200km on 1 fill )
1933308;1567466408;mircea_popescu;world is fulla them today.
1933309;1567467498;trinque;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933151 << how do I know when to reconnect if I do this?
1933310;1567467499;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-02 04:33:14 spyked: imo it's worth trying the http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-08-23#1930317 pill; as long as the bot answers to incoming PINGs when they come, it should be fine.
1933311;1567467499;ossabot;Logged on 2019-08-23 05:37:59 spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930228 <-- until I get proper patches published, here's an idea: 1. abolish "ping-thread" from ircbot; 2. instead, set up a ping handler for the bot, and have it respond with pong; this has the disadvantage that there's no more lag tracking, but it's simpler. proof-of-concept patch: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/LohMF/?raw=true
1933312;1567467499;snsabot;Logged on 2019-08-22 21:29:11 trinque: or alternatively, where's my patch spyked ?
1933313;1567467505;trinque;lol damn
1933314;1567468594;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933248 << atm i suspect the chore of 'new clients' won't be escapable, in light of gossipd
1933315;1567468594;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-02 19:53:40 mircea_popescu: nfi that anyone's getting into fixing extant clients, and no intention to make anyone write a new irc client, so...
1933316;1567468621;trinque;yes, but then, eh?
1933317;1567468643;asciilifeform;then.
1933318;1567468666;asciilifeform;imho it's not a waste of time to at least think about how sane chat client oughta behave, tho.
1933319;1567468770;mircea_popescu;yet writing client for clear and sane spec quite different experience from patching "soft consensus and working code" biomass.
1933320;1567468779;mircea_popescu;or was it "rough consensus"
1933321;1567468802;asciilifeform;patching the 'biomass' can only produce moar of same mass
1933322;1567468843;asciilifeform;( some time, with barf bag prepared in advance, take a peek at what e.g. 'xchat' consists of. )
1933323;1567468957;trinque;accidental complexity of irc plus accidental complexity of gtk or w/e, cum socks galore
1933324;1567469012;asciilifeform;trinque: i've yet to encounter the hypothetical marvel where pile of opensores reads other than like e.g. gcc, i.e. tumour mass.
1933325;1567469013;trinque;really it's times, isn't it, not "plus"
1933326;1567469030;asciilifeform;'raised to power'
1933327;1567469113;asciilifeform;( the items which seem like exception -- e.g. gnat, where -- at least the ada part -- is almost readable -- to date were products of small group of actually organized effort , rather than 'esr's bazar' or whatnot )
1933328;1567469157;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> or was it "rough consensus" << Sulphide rich consensus
1933329;1567469168;asciilifeform;trinque: ever try, btw, to write a proggy for gtk ?
1933330;1567469174;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, no, i know.
1933331;1567469174;asciilifeform;gtk itself is quite a... mass
1933332;1567469184;*;asciilifeform to his sorrow, tried
1933333;1567469206;trinque;asciilifeform: no, but toiled once inside a yuge Qt beast
1933334;1567469214;asciilifeform;this tried also
1933335;1567469227;asciilifeform;2 different qt's ('3' and '4') even
1933336;1567469246;asciilifeform;horrendous thing. even introduces ~nonstandard extension to cpp~, w/ own preprocessor
1933337;1567469297;trinque;only one preprocessor, must be poor.
1933338;1567469328;trinque;in other poverties, ripping out the threadism in deedbot
1933339;1567469351;trinque;about to stand up the newly muntzed item in #trinque for a bit before swap
1933340;1567469356;asciilifeform;trinque: sorta why asciilifeform regularly returns to mircea_popescu's (unwritten, but 'between the lines') dictum where 'the only people who have any biznis writing progs, is folx who never program'
1933341;1567469363;asciilifeform;paradox, on the surface, but perhaps still true
1933342;1567469383;trinque;people who think for a living oughtn't dull themselves with programming
1933343;1567469462;asciilifeform;!qs best machine is no machine
1933344;1567469467;snsabot;[http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log-search?q=best%20machine%20is%20no%20machine&chan=trilema][13 results for "best machine is no machine" in #trilema]
1933345;1567469470;asciilifeform;^ see also.
1933346;1567469633;auctionbot;Buy order # 1056 has ENDED: 1209 Wired Filthy Fiats, WU is fine but not preferred SOLD by trinque for 131mn ecu. Attn: BingoBoingo
1933347;1567469638;*;asciilifeform searches for that 'errybody has a finite N loc in'em before 'black lung'' thread, but cannot presently find.
1933348;1567469640;trinque;wew
1933349;1567469665;trinque;BingoBoingo: pls to gpg instructions
1933350;1567469747;*;asciilifeform meanwhile found; [http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-05#910673][was in era 1] .
1933351;1567469747;a111;Logged on 2014-11-05 04:47 asciilifeform: as a student, i was once told by a greybeard: 'you're young, but know that you have X lines of code in you. after that - log cabin.'
1933352;1567469799;*;asciilifeform brb:meat.
1933353;1567471201;BingoBoingo;trinque: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/t01HD/?raw=true
1933354;1567471477;trinque;ack
1933355;1567471856;BingoBoingo;Let me know which one you pick
1933356;1567471969;trinque;former, since it has worked before
1933357;1567472449;trinque;BingoBoingo: bombs away
1933358;1567472450;BingoBoingo;Aite
1933359;1567472481;BingoBoingo;trinque: GPG me the tracking number and I'll retreive it in the morning
1933360;1567472621;trinque;BingoBoingo: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9XkTR/?raw=true
1933361;1567472635;trinque;possibru also present in your mail inbox
1933362;1567472682;BingoBoingo;trinque: ty
1933363;1567472693;BingoBoingo;But no, they never mail me
1933364;1567472790;trinque;!!v 0CADCCC6AE836C361C46B7343E94B06C25DCE0C8D65ED700671A5A9637F91BDA
1933365;1567472794;deedbot;Invoiced BingoBoingo 0.131 << for auction 1056
1933366;1567472804;trinque;feel free to settle ^ with cash in hand tomorrow
1933367;1567472979;BingoBoingo;!!pay-invoice trinque 14
1933368;1567472983;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/oX5Bg/?raw=true
1933369;1567473020;BingoBoingo;!!v B040F21B8626A94CFAD0A47EC17C066117959BFFF75215380BD3C89A1F052B40
1933370;1567473023;deedbot;BingoBoingo paid trinque invoice 14
1933371;1567473026;trinque;ty
1933372;1567473029;BingoBoingo;np
1933373;1567473032;BingoBoingo;ty
1933374;1567473377;BingoBoingo;And "blue" rates on the dollar are starting to make it into papers. "Dólar Banco Nación 59, dólar blue 64"
1933375;1567475658;asciilifeform;'convertible ruble'!1111
1933376;1567476091;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile in aging and oxidation https://i.imgur.com/MR6r9hp.jpg
1933377;1567478407;feedbot;http://trinque.org/2019/09/02/quetiapine/ << trinque -- Quetiapine
1933378;1567478592;trinque;well, there's one kidney stone down, plenty more to go.
1933379;1567496503;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933248 <-- technically speaking ircbot can act the part of an irc client, just not sure how easy it is to write a ui (whether text or graphical) on top of that
1933380;1567496503;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-02 20:09:12 mircea_popescu: nfi that anyone's getting into fixing extant clients, and no intention to make anyone write a new irc client, so...
1933381;1567496804;spyked;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933263 <-- imo this oughta happen when irc bot returns from recv, a la http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930111 ; cl-irc oughta expose some event for when connection is abruptly ended, so that ircbot reconnects from there
1933382;1567496804;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-02 20:21:45 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933151 << how do I know when to reconnect if I do this?
1933383;1567496804;snsabot;Logged on 2019-08-22 12:35:01 asciilifeform: spyked: mine disconnects strictly when a send() or recv() actually return eggog (i.e. indicating dead tcp pipe)
1933384;1567496868;spyked;in any case, for some reason the current reconnect call from ircbot "ping-thread" never worked for me, it only disconnects, but never comes back to life.
1933385;1567496927;spyked;(possibly because the call is not done on the main thread? I didn't look into it further than that, tbh)
1933386;1567500909;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in http://trilema.com/2019/so-i-was-thinking/#comment-131245 news, the list of random innocents dragged in by nomination extends to also trinque diana_coman leaving aside the explicitly unnamed.
1933387;1567501808;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933268 << this is quite likely. but, you know, ideally after some more specwork.
1933388;1567501808;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-02 20:40:01 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933248 << atm i suspect the chore of 'new clients' won't be escapable, in light of gossipd
1933389;1567501825;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933270 << right.
1933390;1567501826;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-02 20:40:29 trinque: yes, but then, eh?
1933391;1567501851;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933272 << tru!
1933392;1567501851;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-02 20:41:13 asciilifeform: imho it's not a waste of time to at least think about how sane chat client oughta behave, tho.
1933393;1567501923;spyked;mircea_popescu, woah, huge response. it's gonna take me a while to process, currently stuck in saecular swamps. but I promise to get to it the first thing once I free my attention
1933394;1567501929;mircea_popescu;no rush.
1933395;1567502593;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933331 << o holy shit, you got those ?
1933396;1567502594;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-02 23:26:40 trinque: well, there's one kidney stone down, plenty more to go.
1933397;1567502780;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933332 << why should text mode be troublematic ? i would not even mind an irc client that works ~like screen, have a main window for each channel and then ctrl-a number to toggle etc.
1933398;1567502781;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-03 04:25:12 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933248 <-- technically speaking ircbot can act the part of an irc client, just not sure how easy it is to write a ui (whether text or graphical) on top of that
1933399;1567502781;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-02 20:09:12 mircea_popescu: nfi that anyone's getting into fixing extant clients, and no intention to make anyone write a new irc client, so...
1933400;1567502800;mircea_popescu;imo if tryina weld irc client atop ircbot, one should simply gut and re-use screen util.
1933401;1567502841;mircea_popescu;(inb4 "but mp, obvious solution is emacs")
1933402;1567503707;spyked;hm. would require doing tty stuff a la termios, and I expect (haven't looked, tho) the existing cl code for that is cffing to ncurses, which... ugh.
1933403;1567503734;spyked;then again, there's http://verisimilitudes.net/2018-04-04 , iirc the verisimilitudes fella was hanging out in #asciilifeform at some point
1933404;1567506402;mircea_popescu;i wasn't necessarily implying cl ; screen is iirc c
1933405;1567509069;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in anthropologically interesting documentary phootage, superaccurate [https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=751491635][depiction] of pre-porn eeuropean teenager sexual activity.
1933406;1567509120;mircea_popescu;this kinda paralysed pululation's exactly what they did, in the days of [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2018-11-12#1871537][yore].
1933407;1567509120;snsabot;Logged on 2018-11-12 11:44:19 asciilifeform: even on asciilifeform's home planet, good chunk of marriages were 'soft-arranged' -- i.e. 'comrade colonel, you have a bachelor son, i have a ripe daughter' 'comrade lt colonel, let's box'em in a room, wainot'
1933408;1567513343;PeterL;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-01#1933103 << I don't want to overcomplicate things, but what about having two bots, one who listens and puts things in the DB and another who talks?
1933409;1567513344;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-01 17:42:25 asciilifeform: bots presently are stuck 'manually' writing down own outputs .
1933410;1567516031;trinque;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933348 << nah, just talking about the blockages in my skull. going to keep putting out these weirdo pieces for a bit.
1933411;1567516031;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-03 06:06:43 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933331 << o holy shit, you got those ?
1933412;1567516056;*;trinque bares his teeth as he realizes he needs to introduce his devices better!
1933413;1567516061;trinque;until later #t
1933414;1567516087;asciilifeform;PeterL: prolly worst possible use for 'two bots'. the anti-oscillation logic will be longer than my bot itself in entirety
1933415;1567516286;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933350 << 'irssi' worked very similarly
1933416;1567516286;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-03 06:09:49 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933332 << why should text mode be troublematic ? i would not even mind an irc client that works ~like screen, have a main window for each channel and then ctrl-a number to toggle etc.
1933417;1567516362;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933354 << am i the only habitual emacs user who never wanted to do anyffin other than ~editing text~ in it ?
1933418;1567516363;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-03 06:10:51 mircea_popescu: (inb4 "but mp, obvious solution is emacs")
1933419;1567516393;asciilifeform;i dun irc in it, or read www, or compose music, or...
1933420;1567516450;PeterL;I'm not sure I understand what you mean "anti-oscillation logic" and why you would need it?
1933421;1567516466;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933339 - I read it but I'm still thinking of it.
1933422;1567516466;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-03 05:54:11 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in http://trilema.com/2019/so-i-was-thinking/#comment-131245 news, the list of random innocents dragged in by nomination extends to also trinque diana_coman leaving aside the explicitly unnamed.
1933423;1567516481;diana_coman;PeterL: what are you doing those days?
1933424;1567516532;PeterL;I was pretty lazy over the summer, camping with the fam, etc. I have not done much constructive lately.
1933425;1567516538;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933373 << situation where N bots sequentially trigger one another, in a circle, is prohibited
1933426;1567516539;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-03 09:57:41 PeterL: I'm not sure I understand what you mean "anti-oscillation logic" and why you would need it?
1933427;1567516555;asciilifeform;incl. N=1 case.
1933428;1567516619;diana_coman;PeterL: well, you'd be better off doing and learning rather than popping up every now and again with suggestions only so that then people also have to explain stuff to you for no clear result otherwise.
1933429;1567516647;PeterL;I don't mean two full bots, I mean split the function of your bot into two, so you sould have, e.g. snsabot-listener who never talks, just puts lines in the DB, and when somebody quotes something then snsabot-talker reads it out
1933430;1567516695;asciilifeform;PeterL: what does this win?
1933431;1567516695;diana_coman;asciilifeform: I'd tell him to implement it, run it and document the results; he'll figure out what you are saying much faster that way + he'll learn something from it at least.
1933432;1567516706;PeterL;that way you know the things you said actually went out over the line
1933433;1567516782;asciilifeform;PeterL: ben_vulpes & trinque's orig bot actually worked this way. from the added complexity of multithread, had other problems entirely.
1933434;1567516794;asciilifeform;i agree w/ diana_coman tho -- try it yerself
1933435;1567517053;asciilifeform;PeterL: if you do, will learn, that moving parts have a cost -- even if they're invisible, mass-less, and supposedly 'phree'
1933436;1567517563;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933337 << spyked et al: i am finding this thread a puzzler. here's why :
1933437;1567517563;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-03 04:31:17 spyked: in any case, for some reason the current reconnect call from ircbot "ping-thread" never worked for me, it only disconnects, but never comes back to life.
1933438;1567517579;asciilifeform;!q uptime
1933439;1567517579;snsabot;asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 17d 23h 52m
1933440;1567517658;asciilifeform;^ not only worx, but i posted not only proggy, but full explanation of algo, here. and yet folx ~still~ bashing heads over 'pinger threads' and other ???! epicycles?!
1933441;1567517661;asciilifeform;why??
1933442;1567517736;asciilifeform;why not puzzle over an actual [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-01#1933122][open problem] ?
1933443;1567517736;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-01 18:22:51 asciilifeform: diana_coman: appears to work. we're gonna want an algo , tho, that doesn't resolve to 'throw out my db if outta sync and eat the other's' imho .
1933444;1567525455;*;asciilifeform meanwhile [http://trinque.org/2019/09/02/quetiapine/comment-page-1/#comment-85][enjoyed trinque's piece + thread] .
1933445;1567526957;diana_coman;aww, feedbot can't seem to keep up with the pace of trilema comments, lol
1933446;1567527093;*;asciilifeform waves to diana_coman 
1933447;1567527200;diana_coman;fwiw I don't think that's MP's point at all.
1933448;1567527220;diana_coman;i.e. not http://trilema.com/2019/so-i-was-thinking/#comment-131256
1933449;1567527271;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i suspect he has >1 point, but that this indeed was 1 of'em. but i expect he'll clarify, i'ma refrain from guessing.
1933450;1567527386;asciilifeform;meanwhile : BingoBoingo : the crate with the 1u chassis's is here.
1933451;1567527499;BingoBoingo;Nice
1933452;1567527580;asciilifeform;btw diana_coman actually [http://trilema.com/2019/so-i-was-thinking/#comment-131255][#20] contains mistake, in temp mirrors 1st set up 'nginx' as in older system, then 'apache' to compare whether made diff in re performance (it did not) . ( putting this here, rather than to spam mp's www with 9000 errata comments.. )
1933453;1567527768;asciilifeform;re 'postgres' vs 'mysql' -- afaik they're entirely compatible, such as they are used in my item, with the exceptions of: 1) table indices 2) dump format.
1933454;1567527772;mircea_popescu;holy shit i can't keep up here.
1933455;1567527797;mircea_popescu;by the time i pen a comment another 5 are in there, and then the log scrolls and omgwtfbbq
1933456;1567527806;*;mircea_popescu is firmly committed to getting to it all though
1933457;1567527815;asciilifeform;i'ma stfu and give mircea_popescu the needed air atm
1933458;1567527860;*;asciilifeform will try an' work through mircea_popescu's sicilian proverbs
1933459;1567528342;diana_coman;asciilifeform: it's a song afaik lolz.
1933460;1567528366;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i see it nao, but i eat slowly, lol
1933461;1567530037;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, it's luna mezzu mare, the saltarelle they play for weddings
1933462;1567530085;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i recall you had another similar , sumthing like 'da-mi mama dupa Iura'
1933463;1567530100;mircea_popescu;that'd be ro
1933464;1567530134;asciilifeform;strangely sicilian seems almost plug-compatible with ro (sorta like those old sovok rocket connectors, 'only gotta hammer it once and the pins will bend...' )
1933465;1567530138;mircea_popescu;it is!
1933466;1567530148;asciilifeform;more so than e.g fr/sp
1933467;1567530151;mircea_popescu;yup
1933468;1567530169;asciilifeform;or even swede vs norsk
1933469;1567530187;mircea_popescu;that i dunno
1933470;1567530208;asciilifeform;in related funnies, icelandic is hammer-compatible w/ chaucer's engl.
1933471;1567530226;asciilifeform;( picture english, but supposing it hadn't lost its declensions )
1933472;1567530284;*;asciilifeform once worked through a collection of icelandic tales, by third ch was approx as edible as current engl
1933473;1567530459;mircea_popescu;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Ti4kZ/?raw=true << feedbot scrollback, keks
1933474;1567530505;mircea_popescu;NOTICE HOW ONE IS OUT OF TIME, TOO!
1933475;1567530538;asciilifeform;sumbody send him a rubidium clock!1111
1933476;1567530572;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933370 << i was being sarcastic!
1933477;1567530573;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-03 09:56:12 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933354 << am i the only habitual emacs user who never wanted to do anyffin other than ~editing text~ in it ?
1933478;1567530590;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: laff, but iirc there's folx who live 100% in emacs. ( trinque iirc )
1933479;1567530610;mircea_popescu;i knew some back in the day also.
1933480;1567530634;*;asciilifeform deliberately does not, sticks strictly to ~writing~ in it, that way also less distracted when doing so
1933481;1567530635;mircea_popescu;eg, guy maintaining the server where i was pico-ing my email in the 90s, kept wanting to get me to emacs.
1933482;1567530687;mircea_popescu;uhm. s/pico/pine/
1933483;1567530713;asciilifeform;pico may as well ~= pine imho
1933484;1567530720;asciilifeform;same authors, iirc, ~same knobs.
1933485;1567530732;mircea_popescu;yes but historical accuracy
1933486;1567530750;*;asciilifeform for many, many yrs -- used pine ! and when moved from last flat in fact threw out a crt with pine screen burned into the phosphor.
1933487;1567530758;mircea_popescu;heh
1933488;1567530770;diana_coman;ha, pine ~= highschool email!
1933489;1567530774;mircea_popescu;ikr ?
1933490;1567530802;diana_coman;yeeee
1933491;1567530825;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i used it all the way to the last day when the university shut down their unix cluster and expelled all 'zombies' who were still connected. which -- ~decade after graduating -- still included asciilifeform
1933492;1567530919;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933381 << this is precisely the case ; do me a favour and move out of here to whatever lords' castle that'll have you on your own power so i don't have to strap on [http://trilema.com/2019/the-ballad-of-buster-scruggs/][my tool belt] and do it in a more permanent fashio,
1933493;1567530919;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-03 10:00:29 diana_coman: PeterL: well, you'd be better off doing and learning rather than popping up every now and again with suggestions only so that then people also have to explain stuff to you for no clear result otherwise.
1933494;1567530944;asciilifeform;re ^ PeterL i recommend #a .
1933495;1567531000;asciilifeform;( a surprisingly well-populated штрафбат . and asciilifeform makes an effort to read its log and reply 2-3x / daily )
1933496;1567533708;mircea_popescu;incidentally re http://trilema.com/2019/so-i-was-thinking/#comment-131257 diana_coman , where's the article detailing the time we attempted to amber linux over it breaking eulora compile process ? is there one even ?
1933497;1567533799;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc was only in the #t log
1933498;1567533825;mircea_popescu;that's a pity
1933499;1567533913;asciilifeform;was iirc a pre-cuntoo attempt to cuntoo. but unfortunately not publicly given in detail .
1933500;1567533971;BingoBoingo;This one? http://trilema.com/2016/ideological-history-of-the-republic/
1933501;1567533994;*;asciilifeform also [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2295]['pre-cuntoo cuntoo'], and [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-05-02#1910700][pc ver. of same] ; with the assoc. headaches elaborately described in the log.
1933502;1567533994;snsabot;Logged on 2019-05-02 09:56:16 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-02#1910633 << there's actually not 1 but 2 'standard os' available in piz ( 'rk' and 'dulap' tarballs ) but both are stone age gentoos, they are obsoleted by cuntoo (when the latter is pronounced baked, but really even nao, it is impossible to e.g. 'emerge' packages on the vintage gentoo, the upstream package repos went full tard year ago )
1933503;1567534041;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i think that was it !
1933504;1567535348;mircea_popescu;a damn, that's why i wasn't finding it on her blog -- cuz it was on mine
1933505;1567535350;mircea_popescu;tyvm BingoBoingo
1933506;1567535464;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933406 << this can't fucking be, they all must dump sql ffs, wtf.
1933507;1567535464;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-03 13:06:19 asciilifeform: re 'postgres' vs 'mysql' -- afaik they're entirely compatible, such as they are used in my item, with the exceptions of: 1) table indices 2) dump format.
1933508;1567535510;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in fact (and apropos of your 'but it Will!! break if planets unalign' comment, incidentally) it shits forth not only iso sql , but proprietary oddities
1933509;1567535519;mircea_popescu;argh
1933510;1567535567;asciilifeform;i have not fully vivisected'em , cannot presently say whether 'eh just filter'em out' would work .
1933511;1567535581;mircea_popescu;it's just...
1933512;1567535694;asciilifeform;aat least it doesn't try to stuff the indices into the dump.
1933513;1567535721;asciilifeform;( which would make it GB+ and consisting largely of machine barf. i almost expected to discover that it ~does~ when wrote )
1933514;1567536069;BingoBoingo;The SQL in mysql and the sql in postgresql are different enough to not have portability without headbashing.
1933515;1567536104;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: fwiw i used only standard sql in my proggies -- with the exception of indices (where there is no standard mechanism, grrrr)
1933516;1567536236;BingoBoingo;This is all fine and good, but Mysql has some thing outside the standard and those things appear to be what makes it the M in LAMP. Postgre may have usecases, but if you want to blog bloggin happens into mysql
1933517;1567536282;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: well imho (and in disagreement with mircea_popescu) blogging includes search box. which is why my wp runs on pg.
1933518;1567536463;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Does it include search box for you or for all comers?
1933519;1567536540;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: as you can see on my www -- allcomers. just like in e.g. phuctor.
1933520;1567536545;asciilifeform;it's cheap.
1933521;1567536575;asciilifeform;cuz properly indexed.
1933522;1567536629;BingoBoingo;Is it actually cheap or is it cheap because NFS is weird
1933523;1567536634;asciilifeform;search boxes ~save~ cpu cycles, folx who insist on searching otherwise wget -m ... . whereas why not let'em search .
1933524;1567536643;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: phuctor lives on actual box, same as the logotron.
1933525;1567536651;BingoBoingo;I mean the blog
1933526;1567536661;asciilifeform;blog still lives on starvation heathen host, for nao.
1933527;1567536672;*;asciilifeform still investigating to-where move
1933528;1567536689;asciilifeform;point being, a search box query costs approx same as ordinary page load.
1933529;1567536702;asciilifeform;it doesn't walk anywhere near entire data set.
1933530;1567536978;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo, afaik mp-wp takes postgres out of the box
1933531;1567536986;mircea_popescu;then again, this was last tested (and true) ~decade ago
1933532;1567537317;BingoBoingo;Anyways, there is no place for nginx in the world
1933533;1567537335;mircea_popescu;was it you that had a near death experience with the thing ?
1933534;1567537338;mircea_popescu;i recall someone did
1933535;1567537363;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo and asciilifeform together, when attempted the collective php blog system on same
1933536;1567537383;asciilifeform;( found out that there is no working equiv. of 'mod-php' for ngx )
1933537;1567537385;mircea_popescu;ah yes
1933538;1567537428;BingoBoingo;Nor any easy equivalent to .htaccess
1933539;1567537444;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: meanwhile the GB switch crate is here !
1933540;1567537456;BingoBoingo;because nginx paradigm is BACKWARDS
1933541;1567537460;mircea_popescu;keks
1933542;1567537462;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Very good news!
1933543;1567537620;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: nginx was an old heathen attempt to 'trb treatment' of apache by 'cut all the pieces i dun use' -- of 1 particular user.
1933544;1567537634;BingoBoingo;"You can’t do this. You shouldn’t. If you need .htaccess, you’re probably doing it wrong." << Fuck you
1933545;1567537637;mircea_popescu;iirc this is so
1933546;1567537663;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: And then he proceeded to routinely make wild obfuscated C changes to ngix citing "optimization"
1933547;1567537675;BingoBoingo;And "performance"
1933548;1567537712;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: fwiw i've never succeeded in detecting a performance diff b/w the 2 (in the use scenario where they can be interchanged)
1933549;1567537727;asciilifeform;so i suspect the 'optimizations'(tm)(r) more than made up for whatever was gained in the orig. cut.
1933550;1567537806;asciilifeform;re 'htaccess' tho, imho the cut was correct, 'deny errything but what is explicitly permitted in the config' is the Right Thing, rather than 'make user specify per-dir'
1933551;1567537843;BingoBoingo;But that is not at all where .htaccess utility comes from.
1933552;1567537870;BingoBoingo;THe .htaccess utility is in much of the most important config needs being directory or file specific
1933553;1567537891;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i'm aware that it is also used as a kludge to [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2017-10-09#1723424]['naggum's bulldozer'] over broken www proggies .
1933554;1567537891;snsabot;Logged on 2017-10-09 11:45:35 asciilifeform: re 'why would anyone think to use threads' -- this is not mega-puzzle. naggum described similar situation in the bulldozer essay. imbecile sees an obstacle, reaches for the most obvious available power tool that seems to push aside the obstacle; without giving half a shit what's behind it, woods, swamp, mountain, or where the earth he pushed aside will go, and how it might interact with him later, etc
1933555;1567537893;mircea_popescu;he has a point there.
1933556;1567537926;mircea_popescu;"unix" files and linux files are entirely different ; the whole linux fs is really www tronics.
1933557;1567537961;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: actually linux's fs is quite poor match for www case (think -- or else 'htaccess' kludge would not seem necessary)
1933558;1567537966;BingoBoingo;I mean the other alternative is lighttpd's "config lives until process restarts"
1933559;1567537979;mircea_popescu;im not saying it's good fit ; i'm saying it was built around it.
1933560;1567537987;asciilifeform;linux file permission model is a joak even in comparison to microshit's, fwiw
1933561;1567538024;asciilifeform;( who hasn't blown entire weekend on 'grr should this /tmp/barf be chown apache:apache or apache:foo or...' ? )
1933562;1567538042;mircea_popescu;me lol
1933563;1567538065;*;BingoBoingo used to blow hours, now usually only blows minutes when they happen
1933564;1567538346;BingoBoingo;Still, gotta go to war with the arms available as nice as it may be to got to war instead with the arms in the development lab
1933565;1567538353;BingoBoingo;'s funding request narrative
1933566;1567538532;asciilifeform;[https://archive.is/JrQK2/4bbbdfdfef42098dbb673a5354e140783a442a36.jpg][oblig re subj, for aficionados.]
1933567;1567539384;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933449 - there isn't one; it's only irc logs, sadly.
1933568;1567539384;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-03 15:00:52 mircea_popescu: incidentally re http://trilema.com/2019/so-i-was-thinking/#comment-131257 diana_coman , where's the article detailing the time we attempted to amber linux over it breaking eulora compile process ? is there one even ?
1933569;1567539561;diana_coman;ah, hm, there is yours; I just knew *I* didn't write one on the topic.
1933570;1567540587;mircea_popescu;aha
1933571;1567540715;diana_coman;in other unrelated stuff: I keep getting emails from Romanians that use those bac data sets but a. it's only and exclusively when they *need* something more/else and b. they somehow never seem to notice that they could also offer what other data sets they have to add there; GRRR
1933572;1567540748;diana_coman;and they are all "economists"
1933573;1567540865;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: re the repo von minigame approach I searched a bit more and the starting point I think is possibly http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/eulora/2016-09-30#922530 but sadly the concrete madness seems to have never made it fully into public view
1933574;1567540866;ossabot;Logged on 2016-09-30 10:25:26 diana_coman: it sounds like we should mirror them ; probably/possibly a bunch of packages for each distro at the end of the day, sigh
1933575;1567540892;BingoBoingo;lol, when the locals ask me for my opinion of their "pagina de web" my first recommendation is the that to get more recommendations they need to cut their page load time down from minutes to seconds.
1933576;1567540948;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, nice how that works, huh.
1933577;1567540997;diana_coman;I suppose in time there'll be plenty more similar stuff that I should have written about but what can I do *now* about it - there's still plenty waiting in the queue to be done, yet more to be written and both queues seem to get only longer, a bit balaur-style, cut one head and 2 pop out
1933578;1567541053;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, anyway, i suppose the thing to do is point out to the dorks in question that really there's no need nor any space for their self aferations, drop the shit and go younghands instead.
1933579;1567541075;mircea_popescu;"you'll be an economist when i tell you you're an economist, now go do the dishes"
1933580;1567541133;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: that's an idea though in fairness I can't say I'd *want* them; so far I just kept pointing out precisely that a. learn to write also when you use something, not only when you need something b. send me those other data sets and then who knows
1933581;1567542648;asciilifeform;btw in re http://trilema.com/2019/so-i-was-thinking/#comment-131271 -- i have no objection if someone would like to put the proposition to a -- announced or otherwise -- torture test
1933582;1567549937;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/09/another-open-bmc-bung-virtual-usb-open-to-anywhere/ << Qntra -- Another Open BMC Bung: Virtual USB Open To Anywhere
1933583;1567552444;mircea_popescu;bung ? lol
1933584;1567552449;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2019/09/another-open-bmc-bung-virtual-usb-open-to-anywhere/#comment-137293
1933585;1567552485;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'the age commanded that we sing, but then cut off our tongues... the age commanded that we flow, but hammered in the bung!'(tm)(r)
1933586;1567552502;mircea_popescu;hahaha
1933587;1567552515;mircea_popescu;it makes sense though, it was bungled in the bunghole
1933588;1567552517;*;asciilifeform fughets where this were, was iirc some sad brit
1933589;1567552651;asciilifeform;[https://archive.is/wSpql][found!] not, turns out , brit. was mr.2barrels.
1933590;1567553044;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933524 << i still get mails re [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1887][various] [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2415][old] [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=861][how-to's] . ~never anyffin moar interesting than 'it didn't work for me! hulp!' tho
1933591;1567553044;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-03 16:42:07 diana_coman: in other unrelated stuff: I keep getting emails from Romanians that use those bac data sets but a. it's only and exclusively when they *need* something more/else and b. they somehow never seem to notice that they could also offer what other data sets they have to add there; GRRR
1933592;1567553109;asciilifeform;( spoiler: ~100% of the time , complainer's hands were found to grow from arse )
1933593;1567553238;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933526 << thinking about this -- prolly my [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3420][sad mips] belongs on the list of these attempts.
1933594;1567553239;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-03 16:44:37 diana_coman: mircea_popescu: re the repo von minigame approach I searched a bit more and the starting point I think is possibly http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/eulora/2016-09-30#922530 but sadly the concrete madness seems to have never made it fully into public view
1933595;1567553239;ossabot;Logged on 2016-09-30 10:25:26 diana_coman: it sounds like we should mirror them ; probably/possibly a bunch of packages for each distro at the end of the day, sigh
1933596;1567553297;asciilifeform;^ hm mircea_popescu , do you think bots oughta ignore outputs of bots ? ( i deliberately did not, as specifically requested in mircea_popescu's spec ; but it would be a trivial change )
1933597;1567553314;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> bung ? lol << You know, like a barrel of fun
1933598;1567553341;asciilifeform;currently asciilifeform's logotron kit takes list of other-bots in config file. these are used atm strictly in www displayer's colouration ( grey, a la phf's )
1933599;1567553424;mircea_popescu;fun over the barrel, moar like it
1933600;1567553443;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, it's a recurring topic, but no, let them read each other.
1933601;1567553461;mircea_popescu;this way people can unravel chains if they want to, or not. in any case, if we decide we hate it eventually easy enough to tunr off
1933602;1567553474;asciilifeform;aite then.
1933603;1567553565;asciilifeform;let's test the corner case btw:
1933604;1567553588;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933556 http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933556
1933605;1567553589;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-03 20:31:50 asciilifeform: let's test the corner case btw:
1933606;1567553589;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-03 20:16:18 asciilifeform: let's test the corner case btw:
1933607;1567553596;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933557
1933608;1567553596;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-03 20:32:14 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933556 http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933556
1933609;1567553597;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-03 20:16:18 asciilifeform: let's test the corner case btw:
1933610;1567553602;asciilifeform;pass!
1933611;1567553632;mircea_popescu;worked befoar yea
1933612;1567553643;asciilifeform;^ exercise for reader : why this works ?
1933613;1567553672;asciilifeform;( [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933378][in re:.] )
1933614;1567553672;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-03 10:14:41 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933373 << situation where N bots sequentially trigger one another, in a circle, is prohibited
1933615;1567553673;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-03 09:57:41 PeterL: I'm not sure I understand what you mean "anti-oscillation logic" and why you would need it?
1933616;1567553741;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933560
1933617;1567553742;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-03 20:16:49 asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933557
1933618;1567553742;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-03 20:32:14 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933556 http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933556
1933619;1567553743;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-03 20:16:18 asciilifeform: let's test the corner case btw:
1933620;1567553745;mircea_popescu;keks.
1933621;1567553792;asciilifeform;this is proper tho. ( not oscillator. )
1933622;1567553879;mircea_popescu;also i believe longest chain on record.
1933623;1567554014;asciilifeform;can make any finite-length chain you like.
1933624;1567554028;asciilifeform;( observe that neither bot was 'thrown for flood' )
1933625;1567554252;mircea_popescu;;peetty cool
1933626;1567554321;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu's depressing thread makes me want to rewrite the bot nao tho. ( taking suggestions re in-what... )
1933627;1567554330;mircea_popescu;aww
1933628;1567554347;mircea_popescu;take it easy, this isn't supposed to be enjoyable.
1933629;1567554353;asciilifeform;lol heh
1933630;1567554403;asciilifeform;in all seriousness, the tower o'shit for bot.py is only slightly shorter than for reader.py ( yea no 'flask' -- but dozen other similars )
1933631;1567554415;mircea_popescu;myeah
1933632;1567554619;asciilifeform;btw i dun recall if mentioned this, but it is possible to bake the bot in sumthing that doesn't know about pg, but only knows how to socket. ( i.e. if one were to move the 'insert new line' into reader , and have the latter take a http 'put' on 127.0.0.1 for same )
1933633;1567554684;asciilifeform;i actually did very similar thing in phuctor ( the 'werker', c proggy that uses multiple cpu ) as of '16 does not need to know about pg, it talks to the frontend via ordinary http
1933634;1567554711;asciilifeform;previously had c<->pg glue in it .
1933635;1567554803;asciilifeform;in principle could then have a mircea_popescu-style php reader, and e.g ada bot .
1933636;1567554895;asciilifeform;( observe that search knob already worx by passing command to reader )
1933637;1567555442;asciilifeform;( why asciilifeform did not do this in the original ? answr -- because wanted to make the bot independent of reader, so could restart the latter , for cosmetic fiddles, w/out risking to lose lines )
1933638;1567555522;asciilifeform;reader, to date, restarted 100+ times , and no one noticed. ( bot -- iirc 3 . )
1933639;1567556755;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-09-03#1933440 << as for me, it's just cheaper than zeroing my work and starting over.
1933640;1567556755;a111;Logged on 2019-09-03 13:34 asciilifeform: ^ not only worx, but i posted not only proggy, but full explanation of algo, here. and yet folx ~still~ bashing heads over 'pinger threads' and other ???! epicycles?!
1933641;1567556793;trinque;ftr, test bot has been connected continuously in #trinque since the other day, looks nipped
1933642;1567556805;trinque;(connected from same box as deedbot too)
1933643;1567556837;trinque;if we get to a week's uptime I'll update deedbot
1933644;1567556851;*;trinque sits down to eat rest of log
1933645;1567558264;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-09-03#1933478 << recently I torched my whole wad of elisp, got fed up with setting the dials on someone else's machine "just so" and calling the "just so" mine.
1933646;1567558264;a111;Logged on 2019-09-03 17:09 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: laff, but iirc there's folx who live 100% in emacs. ( trinque iirc )
1933647;1567558268;trinque;thing's brittle
1933648;1567558397;trinque;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933459 << oh yeah, plenty of divergences in the dump formats, "standards process" and everything.
1933649;1567558397;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-03 15:14:35 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933406 << this can't fucking be, they all must dump sql ffs, wtf.
1933650;1567558527;trinque;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933497 << actually I fail to see the merit of sprinkling configuration throughout the filesystem, such that you can't interrogate the whole state of the webserver in a single place.
1933651;1567558527;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-03 15:50:45 BingoBoingo: "You can’t do this. You shouldn’t. If you need .htaccess, you’re probably doing it wrong." << Fuck you
1933652;1567558563;trinque;"but it lets tenants configure" runs aground on "there exists no multitenant OS"
1933653;1567558667;trinque;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933511 << lighttpd and nginx both support life config reloading, not so.
1933654;1567558668;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-03 15:56:18 BingoBoingo: I mean the other alternative is lighttpd's "config lives until process restarts"
1933655;1567558710;trinque;not that I have a favorite in either.
1933656;1567558876;trinque;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933579 << god please no; I want to see gossipd before I'm dead.
1933657;1567558877;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-03 20:28:54 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's depressing thread makes me want to rewrite the bot nao tho. ( taking suggestions re in-what... )
1933658;1567558966;trinque;asciilifeform: anyway I decoupled the protocol from the backend services on mine, but used deeb for the decoupling. intent was to be resilient to new tmsr~ chat protocols emerging
1933659;1567569321;feedbot;http://bvt-trace.net/2019/09/linux-kernel-genesis-and-early-entropy-users/ << bvt's backtrace -- Linux kernel: genesis and early entropy users
1933660;1567570084;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933601 << i agree fwiw. i dun use 'htaccess' on own boxen and don't intend to .
1933661;1567570085;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-03 21:39:00 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933497 << actually I fail to see the merit of sprinkling configuration throughout the filesystem, such that you can't interrogate the whole state of the webserver in a single place.
1933662;1567570140;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933593 << consider to publish vpatch ?
1933663;1567570141;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-03 21:10:06 trinque: ftr, test bot has been connected continuously in #trinque since the other day, looks nipped
1933664;1567575504;feedbot;http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/09/to-ohio-and-back-again-a-photo-journey-with-cat-pics/ << lobbesblog -- To Ohio and back again: a photo journey (with cat pics)
1933665;1567580812;mircea_popescu;\http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/e25cdd47fad095a028165e3b44d5dd85?s=632&d=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=X << wtf is this then
1933666;1567581054;*;mircea_popescu first read "i hope to share that bedroom with you", was a little scared. then re-read and all was well, sure, let's share all the boredom in the world. 
1933667;1567582278;spyked;lol, where's that from? looks like shot from "ren and stimpy", old '90s cartoon
1933668;1567583363;mircea_popescu;spyked, trinque 's avatar
1933669;1567583369;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in holy shit breakage : http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/ contains the pics of my slut, http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/letscallhershm.jpg ; they're formatted in the manner trilema formats pictures ; yet mysql can not find any article including it!
1933670;1567583383;mircea_popescu;i'm like 99% sure i published this, what the fuck, did some trilema articles vanish ?!
1933671;1567583472;mircea_popescu;all this because i'm looking for the footnote with that other slut on high heels butt-smiling at the camera to add to my comment on lobbes' article, though of course i can't find THAT, either.
1933672;1567583481;mircea_popescu;one day ima find something and retire.
1933673;1567583792;mircea_popescu;and in ongoing regexp lulz : "i am sure it was an image ~in a footnote~" "oh, ok then, WHERE `post_content` LIKE '%((%.jpg%%))%'" "mno, that only looks for pics after a footnote opener and before a footnote closer, not necessarily of the same footnote. it'll include all pics in an article with at least two footnotes, pretty much." "fuck"
1933674;1567585286;mircea_popescu;neways, ima call it good on steph kegels' excellent library slutout. which, incidentally, is one of the best training videos i know of. chick's got that ATTITUDE.
1933675;1567587027;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933588 << this might work
1933676;1567587028;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-03 20:36:55 asciilifeform: in principle could then have a mircea_popescu-style php reader, and e.g ada bot .
1933677;1567587072;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933586 << in any case disintegration is probably the road towards manageability of software
1933678;1567587073;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-03 20:34:57 asciilifeform: i actually did very similar thing in phuctor ( the 'werker', c proggy that uses multiple cpu ) as of '16 does not need to know about pg, it talks to the frontend via ordinary http
1933679;1567587153;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933597 << fwis most people do this, 5 to 15 years in.
1933680;1567587153;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-03 21:34:37 trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-09-03#1933478 << recently I torched my whole wad of elisp, got fed up with setting the dials on someone else's machine "just so" and calling the "just so" mine.
1933681;1567587177;mircea_popescu;imo this makes emacs/elisp a poisonous pitfall, but not quite confident enough yet to make much noise about it.
1933682;1567587219;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, in a very theoretical principled view of the matter, "everyone drops it after sinking work into it for years" is a fine definition of evil.
1933683;1567587306;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933611 << trilema uses it plenty ; file's like 50 lines
1933684;1567587306;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-04 00:51:38 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933601 << i agree fwiw. i dun use 'htaccess' on own boxen and don't intend to .
1933685;1567587317;mircea_popescu;url rewriting and whatnot.
1933686;1567587395;mircea_popescu;this, incidentally, is the important part here. rewriting (as the math concept) is an important (really, the only) function of the numeric machines we have. ~only utility. and .htaccess kludge is an ad-hoc but well specified rewrite engine for the assorted glue (ad hoc and unspecified) needed to www.
1933687;1567587422;mircea_popescu;if calling an url is compilation htaccess does the preprocessing
1933688;1567598475;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933393 <-- no headbashing involved, man asked a legit q about ircbot (which still runs some of the bots here) and I answered the best I can
1933689;1567598476;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-03 10:33:21 asciilifeform: ^ not only worx, but i posted not only proggy, but full explanation of algo, here. and yet folx ~still~ bashing heads over 'pinger threads' and other ???! epicycles?!
1933690;1567598676;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933417 <-- afaik sardinian close as well, possibly even closer. some ppl say romansch also, but I listened to some and only got about 20% of it.
1933691;1567598676;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-03 14:01:17 asciilifeform: strangely sicilian seems almost plug-compatible with ro (sorta like those old sovok rocket connectors, 'only gotta hammer it once and the pins will bend...' )
1933692;1567598989;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933398 <-- lol, I thought it had went down again when I saw this, got me alarmed there for a moment.
1933693;1567598989;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-03 13:08:20 diana_coman: aww, feedbot can't seem to keep up with the pace of trilema comments, lol
1933694;1567599251;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933426 <-- speaking of which, I notice there's a feed in there, btcalpha.com, which consistently clogs up the bot. I'm guessing the site it points to is long dead, shall I remove it?
1933695;1567599251;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-03 14:06:42 mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Ti4kZ/?raw=true << feedbot scrollback, keks
1933696;1567599535;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933632 <-- I've found emacs useful for exactly one thing over the years: plugging "w3m" browser into it, which aids copy-pasting lines and posting comments on blogs when in terminal. other than that, /me also stopped chasing this particular wild goose about a year ago
1933697;1567599535;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-04 05:52:04 mircea_popescu: imo this makes emacs/elisp a poisonous pitfall, but not quite confident enough yet to make much noise about it.
1933698;1567599576;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933613 <-- ftr, this is also on my list if trinque doesn't get to it first.
1933699;1567599576;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-04 01:08:06 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933593 << consider to publish vpatch ?
1933700;1567599577;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-03 21:10:06 trinque: ftr, test bot has been connected continuously in #trinque since the other day, looks nipped
1933701;1567603612;mircea_popescu;spyked, yeah, that was mikec
1933702;1567603627;mircea_popescu;actually, let's see the list of feeds you got, prolly time for a review
1933703;1567607524;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933610 << bvt i will comment on this when i get a chance to eat it properly
1933704;1567607524;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-04 00:38:55 feedbot: http://bvt-trace.net/2019/09/linux-kernel-genesis-and-early-entropy-users/ << bvt's backtrace -- Linux kernel: genesis and early entropy users
1933705;1567607561;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933621 << it isn't impossible, iirc mircea_popescu had a sql oops coupla yrs ago (but i thought was fully restored?)
1933706;1567607561;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-04 04:33:18 mircea_popescu: i'm like 99% sure i published this, what the fuck, did some trilema articles vanish ?!
1933707;1567607641;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933626 << can't think of why it wouldn't work; but you would get tight coupling (i.e. suddenly possible for logger to miss lines if www serv is overwhelmed , or lagging, or otherwise inoperable )
1933708;1567607642;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-04 05:34:02 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933588 << this might work
1933709;1567607667;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933630 << 1st time i hear of such a thing. trinque what are you using instead nao ?
1933710;1567607668;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-04 05:36:07 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933597 << fwis most people do this, 5 to 15 years in.
1933711;1567607716;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933632 << i'ma move from emacs to 21st c. lispm. or, to grave. tertium non datur.
1933712;1567607716;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-04 05:36:32 mircea_popescu: imo this makes emacs/elisp a poisonous pitfall, but not quite confident enough yet to make much noise about it.
1933713;1567607769;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933638 << i know how it is used; but imho it is 'naggum's bulldozer'. i.e. solved problems that ought not to occur to begin with
1933714;1567607770;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-04 05:40:36 mircea_popescu: if calling an url is compilation htaccess does the preprocessing
1933715;1567607796;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933645 << dead as of '16 iirc
1933716;1567607796;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-04 08:57:46 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933426 <-- speaking of which, I notice there's a feed in there, btcalpha.com, which consistently clogs up the bot. I'm guessing the site it points to is long dead, shall I remove it?
1933717;1567607796;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-03 14:06:42 mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Ti4kZ/?raw=true << feedbot scrollback, keks
1933718;1567607888;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933628 << exactly why i split the logotron kit into standalone parts.
1933719;1567607889;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-04 05:34:47 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933586 << in any case disintegration is probably the road towards manageability of software
1933720;1567607912;asciilifeform;btw iirc lobbes has an experimental ver w/ sqlite.
1933721;1567608091;*;asciilifeform brb:teatime
1933722;1567611409;asciilifeform;diana_coman: [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3452][logotron page updated] with your seals and link to your recipe !
1933723;1567611476;asciilifeform;diana_coman: thank you for reading, signing, baking mirror, writing cookbook; a+++
1933724;1567611554;diana_coman;asciilifeform: nice, thank you!
1933725;1567611565;asciilifeform;and incidentally diana_coman is the all-time champ for 'read & eat asciilifeform's worx' atm !
1933726;1567611605;diana_coman;heh, I can recommend this sort of eating - keeps one lean and alert!!
1933727;1567611770;asciilifeform;hm lobbes did i leave out your sig ? i could've sworn there was one. plox to link if so.
1933728;1567612291;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933653 <-- dun dun dun! --> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/hSKfI/?raw=true
1933729;1567612291;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-04 10:26:15 mircea_popescu: actually, let's see the list of feeds you got, prolly time for a review
1933730;1567612328;diana_coman;huh, I don't even recall what fr.anco.is was
1933731;1567612340;asciilifeform;davout
1933732;1567612375;diana_coman;yes, just saw it; with last post in Jan 2017.
1933733;1567612383;*;spyked bbl, publishing this month's report and then out to meat chores
1933734;1567612397;asciilifeform;davout went awol 2+ y ago iirc. (though his site, like e.g that of [http://blog.esthlos.com][esthlos] , still up )
1933735;1567612426;asciilifeform;[http://cascadianhacker.com][ben_vulpes] also last post 1+y ago
1933736;1567612457;asciilifeform;[http://barksinthewind.com][phf]'s -- nov. '18
1933737;1567612488;asciilifeform;[http://explo.yt][jurov]'s -- feb of '19
1933738;1567612517;asciilifeform;[http://mocky.org/][mocky]'s -- ditto
1933739;1567612555;asciilifeform;[http://www.btcalpha.com/][mikec] has been dead for the entirety of 'era 2' .
1933740;1567612572;asciilifeform;spyked: errybody else on the list, is actively alive.
1933741;1567612587;asciilifeform;( the only stone-dead link, is mikec )
1933742;1567613971;feedbot;http://thetarpit.org/posts/y06/09e-tmsr-work-v.html << The Tar Pit -- TMSR work: plan for 2019 M9, and a very brief discussion
1933743;1567614104;asciilifeform;spyked: 'I still haven't genesized The Tar Pit; by the way, is there anyone else out there interested in using it?' << me. i'ma be moving my www and quite interested in all approaches to de-php-izing . and you have imho a++ visual coat on yours.
1933744;1567614181;asciilifeform;( would need at least the comment knob tho, as i understand it is presently missing )
1933745;1567614408;mircea_popescu;spyked, wow look at that. okay, so btcalpha, anco.is, esthlos.com can all come off.
1933746;1567614471;mircea_popescu;!q s barksinthewind
1933747;1567614475;mircea_popescu;!q help
1933748;1567614478;snsabot;[http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log-search?q=barksinthewind&chan=trilema][48 results for "barksinthewind" in #trilema]
1933749;1567614478;snsabot;mircea_popescu: my valid commands are: seen, s, src, help, uptime
1933750;1567614523;mircea_popescu;so long ago i even forgot who the fuck it was
1933751;1567614529;mircea_popescu;spyked, barksinthewind.com too
1933752;1567614641;mircea_popescu;jurov, you intend to start blogging or taking that off also ?
1933753;1567616647;jurov;mircea_popescu: not anytime soon
1933754;1567617231;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: did anyone ever find out where esthlos went ?
1933755;1567618854;asciilifeform;meanwhile: BingoBoingo : 1st crate of rk's is here.
1933756;1567618869;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, nope
1933757;1567618872;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: ty for the update
1933758;1567618878;mircea_popescu;spyked, explo.yt off the list also thus
1933759;1567620604;trinque; http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933619 << yep, ren of ren&stimpy fame, from the Space Madness episode
1933760;1567620605;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-04 04:32:57 mircea_popescu: spyked, trinque 's avatar
1933761;1567620655;trinque;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933649 << patch is already in my hopper, just watching the testbot for a day or two longer. still connected btw.
1933762;1567620655;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-04 09:03:11 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933613 <-- ftr, this is also on my list if trinque doesn't get to it first.
1933763;1567620655;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-04 01:08:06 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933593 << consider to publish vpatch ?
1933764;1567620656;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-03 21:10:06 trinque: ftr, test bot has been connected continuously in #trinque since the other day, looks nipped
1933765;1567620686;trinque;^ possibly want to ignore /log/$knownChan instead of domain-prefixed
1933766;1567620758;trinque;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933660 << still emacs+exwm, just with init.el of maybe 100-200 lines
1933767;1567620758;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-04 11:18:03 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933630 << 1st time i hear of such a thing. trinque what are you using instead nao ?
1933768;1567620773;trinque;not using it for irc, mail, teledildonics
1933769;1567620782;asciilifeform;trinque: aa, so you jettisoned some scriptolade, rather than emacs per se. i misread.
1933770;1567620795;*;asciilifeform cleans his erry yr or so
1933771;1567620812;trinque;yeah, trying to avoid the "chairs stacked just so" life
1933772;1567620859;asciilifeform;imho there's pretty wide spectrum b/w 'knife sharpened just-so' and 'chairs stacked just-so'
1933773;1567621020;asciilifeform;[http://www.loper-os.org/?p=836][oblig. old lolcat re subj.]
1933774;1567621273;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933716 << ignore where ?
1933775;1567621273;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-04 14:55:03 trinque: ^ possibly want to ignore /log/$knownChan instead of domain-prefixed
1933776;1567621301;trinque;the bots are triggering each other on logline quotes
1933777;1567621355;asciilifeform;trinque: per mircea_popescu's spec, it aint a bug. ( and to switch it off, imho The Right Thing is simply to look against list of bots )
1933778;1567621378;asciilifeform;the logotron kit takes list of known bots (past, present) in config , already, for the www displayer
1933779;1567621750;asciilifeform;re emacs scriptolade -- really gotta keep it clean, for, if nuffin else -- the fact that it uses a 1970s style lisp where 'stop-the-world gc' is in use , not really meant for heaviweight programmatism
1933780;1567621780;asciilifeform;trinque: do you know, perchance, whatever happened to the 'climacs' people ?
1933781;1567621789;asciilifeform;was gabriel_laddel the last 1 of these alive ?
1933782;1567621845;asciilifeform;'climacs' seems to be one of those 'cursed' items where errybody who touches it ends up lost to madness
1933783;1567623960;trinque;no idea; my only real brush with them was gl
1933784;1567624063;trinque;imho impolite that he didn't even post a picture of a stump before leaving
1933785;1567624943;asciilifeform;trinque: possibly simply died
1933786;1567627771;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: all 16 rk's are here nao.
1933787;1567627816;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Very nice! Let the assembling commence!
1933788;1567627832;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: ps not in yet .
1933789;1567627836;asciilifeform;expected in ~week .
1933790;1567627847;BingoBoingo;Well, at least things are in places
1933791;1567627893;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: thing will run on a conventional atx (1u) ps , incidentally.
1933792;1567627900;BingoBoingo;nice
1933793;1567633896;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/09/illinois-police-department-child-groomer-arrested-for-child-porn/ << Qntra -- Illinois: Police Department Child Groomer Arrested For Child Porn
1933794;1567634778;BingoBoingo;In other news, it looks like Europe and North America can get back to fake "plastic recyling" exports: "El cambio que el líder PRO imprimió a la vieja orden Nº 181/1992, que por entonces habilitaba a la importación de basura de otros países y que generó un escándalo por la aparición de residuos nucleares en el gobierno de Menem, pasó tan solo por un artículo: según trabajadores de la Economía Popular y ambient
1933795;1567634778;BingoBoingo;alistas, la modificación “flexibiliza el debido control ecológico”, librando a la Argentina a transformarse en un país receptor de basura peligrosa como la nuclear, proveniente de Europa y otras regiones."
1933796;1567640568;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: update : turns out the particular iron dun weld very well. i'ma use pneumatic riveter like normal people, with these.
1933797;1567640642;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: aite
1933798;1567640661;asciilifeform;it's how traditional pc chassis gets its mb legs. so imho oughta suffice.
1933799;1567640737;*;asciilifeform for next go-around , perhaps will get sheet metal bending machine and may as well make the 1u cages from sheets also.
1933800;1567640874;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the off-the-shelf selection for these is annoyingly limited (and expensive) imho
1933801;1567640959;asciilifeform;in the early days, iirc mircea_popescu scoffed that 'spending fat dough to fly steel sheets' but they're in fact the magick ingredient that gets the internals through orc customs .
1933802;1567641068;BingoBoingo;Just remember the tolerances for fitting 1U case in rack isn't too forgiving.
1933803;1567641081;asciilifeform;indeed
1933804;1567641094;asciilifeform;tho 'short' is generally curable
1933805;1567641113;asciilifeform;( simply use longer screw. )
1933806;1567641150;asciilifeform;at any rate it aint as if i dun have a 19" rack here to test-fit'em in
1933807;1567647710;Mocky;good evening
1933808;1567647974;asciilifeform;wb Mocky !
1933809;1567648053;Mocky;thx
1933810;1567648134;Mocky;I fell down a rabbit hole
1933811;1567649660;asciilifeform;Mocky: hm?
1933812;1567649769;trinque;ohey it's a Mocky. how goes?
1933813;1567649806;lobbes;wb Mocky
1933814;1567649892;lobbes;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933678 << was it [http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/08/znc2tmsr_etckvvpatch/][this one] you were thinking of ?
1933815;1567649893;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-04 12:26:26 asciilifeform: hm lobbes did i leave out your sig ? i could've sworn there was one. plox to link if so.
1933816;1567649982;asciilifeform;lobbes: possibly. this 1 ended up subsumed tho
1933817;1567650062;lobbes;asciilifeform: did it? I patched it to sit on top of the "line_wraps" patch
1933818;1567650106;asciilifeform;lobbes: iirc subsumed into [http://www.loper-os.org/pub/logotron/uniturds_etc.kv.vpatch]['uniturds'] .
1933819;1567650202;lobbes;hmm that was for the "reader.py" though right? My patch contained fix for the "eat_dump.py"
1933820;1567650224;lobbes;fix being phf's uniturd algo
1933821;1567650276;asciilifeform;hmm then possib. not subsumed ! i'ma look.
1933822;1567650319;lobbes;there was an extra fix for eat_dump.py in mine as well that dealt with teh null payloadz
1933823;1567650328;lobbes;in any case I'll repatch if needed
1933824;1567650367;asciilifeform;dun think it needs regrind, should be good as is.
1933825;1567650381;lobbes;nice!
1933826;1567651678;lobbes;in other news, bot in [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/lobbestest/2019-09-05#1000011][test chan] has been up for almost 4 days.
1933827;1567651681;lobbes;Of course this is with a near-empty database (not sure how much this matters, tbh). Will be taken offline shortly though for more testing
1933828;1567654925;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in random lulz : [https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Treptow][us citizen] notable enough for ro.wikipedia but "unknown" by en.wikipedia
1933829;1567654940;mircea_popescu;"nobody can remember" wikipedia's roots as ye pre-reddit pedoclub
1933830;1567654971;mircea_popescu;Mocky, wait, what ?
1933831;1567655642;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: claims he was ro citizen also?
1933832;1567655676;asciilifeform;( in linked piece )
1933833;1567655702;mircea_popescu;wasn't born there
1933834;1567655712;mircea_popescu;usg academi-bezzler.
1933835;1567655778;asciilifeform;clinton pedocircuit ?
1933836;1567655793;mircea_popescu;well, chicago school of ameritardation.
1933837;1567655817;mircea_popescu;friends of the recently suicided dude.
1933838;1567655835;asciilifeform;aa!
1933839;1567655889;mircea_popescu;all sorta things "nobody is aware of" in the reich, somehow.
1933840;1567655895;mircea_popescu;must be from all the awareness raising.
1933841;1567655917;*;asciilifeform suspects that 'pedo is the new faggotry' in the 19th c brit sense , i.e. 'want to be toady of hitler? gotta give him some primo kompromat for you'
1933842;1567655989;mircea_popescu;should be lulzy once the "rights gain" machine finally excavates these, too
1933843;1567656002;mircea_popescu;back a decade ago /me was wondering outloud on trilema if it's gonna be necros or pedos next
1933844;1567656010;mircea_popescu;meanwhile the dreidl has landed.
1933845;1567656011;asciilifeform;or, to reformulate, they 'all pedos' for same reason theatrical puppets have string loops
1933846;1567656132;lobbes;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933780 << the 'social media / "platform" void'; take any one of 'em, be it twitter, facebook, reddit. They all have the similar mechanic of the "newsfeed" in which (unlike the republic's logs / blogs) you cannot reference things > 3 weeks ago.
1933847;1567656133;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-05 00:25:59 mircea_popescu: "nobody can remember" wikipedia's roots as ye pre-reddit pedoclub
1933848;1567656138;lobbes;Just reinforces the already short attention span of the consumer, creating a nifty simulacrum of "feeling connected to the world"
1933849;1567656160;lobbes;I genuinely believe that the newer generation sincerely cannot remember, even if they claim to be paying attention
1933850;1567656164;mircea_popescu;indeed.
1933851;1567656175;asciilifeform;lobbes: often enuff, pieces that only ~hours~ old, evaporate
1933852;1567656185;asciilifeform;fughet , even, 'weeks'
1933853;1567656195;mircea_popescu;lol, we seen some
1933854;1567656219;lobbes;it is funny, too, because even in the older days of the webforums "necroposting" was a taboo for some reason
1933855;1567656249;mircea_popescu;anyway, it's necessary, because they're [http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-make-money-on-the-internet-while-pretending-you-know-what-youre-talking-about-and-accumulating-a-legion-of-mindless-followers-for-fun-and-profit/][so utterly wrong] in everything
1933856;1567656261;lobbes;aha
1933857;1567656268;mircea_popescu;empire gotta be 0-memory or else it can't be at all.
1933858;1567656291;mircea_popescu;lobbes, i never understood that at the time, wtf, rarely new threads as interesting as old. but...
1933859;1567656301;mircea_popescu;incipient zekism.
1933860;1567656321;lobbes;ditto. all makes sense nao
1933861;1567656459;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-09-05#1000192][kindergarten wtf's]
1933862;1567656459;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-05 00:02:23 verisimilitude: I'm starting work on networking libraries in Ada; I've started with UDP; I'd appreciate receiving some thoughts on this package specification:
1933863;1567656545;mircea_popescu;menalone central huh
1933864;1567656611;asciilifeform;lol mostly bot test central thesedays
1933865;1567656616;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile in UY-CN relations https://archive.is/iiAVH
1933866;1567656698;BingoBoingo;Chinese Defense Minister came for a visit. Some BRI stuff signed, China agreed to retrofit one of the UY Navy ships.
1933867;1567659175;mircea_popescu;anyone wanna do a paypal for me btw ?
1933868;1567661153;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933662 << you're likely the only pillar left supporting it.
1933869;1567661154;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-04 11:18:52 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933632 << i'ma move from emacs to 21st c. lispm. or, to grave. tertium non datur.
1933870;1567661374;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933750 << how about bespoke leather machinery ? i got some needs...
1933871;1567661374;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-04 20:29:15 asciilifeform: for next go-around , perhaps will get sheet metal bending machine and may as well make the 1u cages from sheets also.

1933872;1567661393;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933752 << i can see the logic.
1933873;1567661394;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-04 20:32:57 asciilifeform: in the early days, iirc mircea_popescu scoffed that 'spending fat dough to fly steel sheets' but they're in fact the magick ingredient that gets the internals through orc customs .
1933874;1567661450;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933778  << not really matters ; they're all ~empty in any practical sense.
1933875;1567661450;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-04 23:31:40 lobbes: Of course this is with a near-empty database (not sure how much this matters, tbh). Will be taken offline shortly though for more testing
1933876;1567665702;lobbes;okay, got the kinks worked out of my mirror of the logz (I think) >> http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log
1933877;1567665713;lobbes;bot is ericbot, call command is !e
1933878;1567665760;lobbes;looks like the last db dump from logs.nosuchlabs.com was from a few hours before I imported, so missing a few lines still. However the majority of 'em are there
1933879;1567665780;lobbes;once the lastest daily dump is out I will fill in the gaps
1933880;1567665821;lobbes;off to bed, but plox to let me know if any funkiness is observed
1933881;1567672630;mircea_popescu;wd
1933882;1567673082;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933827 - mind stating the IP as well and as a rule for new urls please/
1933883;1567673082;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-05 03:40:55 lobbes: okay, got the kinks worked out of my mirror of the logz (I think) >> http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log
1933884;1567682805;feedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2019/09/05/a-summers-summary-and-next-steps-in-eulora/ << Ossa Sepia -- A Summer's Summary and Next Steps in Eulora
1933885;1567691420;lobbes;diana_coman: thank you for the reminder: 208.70.251.10
1933886;1567691527;diana_coman;lobbes: nice!
1933887;1567694399;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933819 << i know 2 in meatspace ( one -- i taught ; other -- learned from ) but yes there are prolly not so many people still using actual emacs ( vs the 'modernized' horror that auto-downloads 9000 crapolas )
1933888;1567694400;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-05 02:09:32 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933662 << you're likely the only pillar left supporting it.
1933889;1567694438;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933821 << you're almost certainly better off with the services of actual tailors , lol. but, outta curiosity, what sort of 'machinery' ?
1933890;1567694438;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-05 02:13:13 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933750 << how about bespoke leather machinery ? i got some needs...
1933891;1567694504;*;asciilifeform pictures mircea_popescu reply 'i want parabellum holster just like what wilhelm II had !'
1933892;1567694595;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933827 << congrats , lobbes !! lemme know if you want an unscheduled dump so can sync lines .
1933893;1567694596;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-05 03:25:22 lobbes: okay, got the kinks worked out of my mirror of the logz (I think) >> http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log
1933894;1567694724;asciilifeform;lobbes: you can also sync the way diana_coman did , using the [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log-raw/trilema?istart=1932600&iend=1932700][raw dump knob] and eater .
1933895;1567695256;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, you know, ankle/wrist cuffs by my own designs, posture collars, garter belts...
1933896;1567695266;mircea_popescu;if women were horses the leather they;d hoof in
1933897;1567696224;BingoBoingo;As far as sourcing materials go, this would be the place to plant a workshop.
1933898;1567696252;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Remember the couple feria streets that were just piles of leather on top of more leather.
1933899;1567696693;mircea_popescu;i was very unimpressed with the quality of workmanship wheni was in ag.
1933900;1567696834;BingoBoingo;Local workmanship no. Local bulk tanned hides, yes
1933901;1567696858;BingoBoingo;Sold out of backs of horsecarts in Sunday street market like god intended
1933902;1567697430;asciilifeform;there are ( were ? ) people who knew how to leather .
1933903;1567697520;*;asciilifeform in ar saw such abundance of leather briefcases, coats, etc. at the flea markets, such that will prolly never see again, and all imho mighty fine, and for pennies. i still regret not buying any.
1933904;1567697558;asciilifeform;in related sads, those boots i got in ro, finally fell apart, from daily abuse
1933905;1567697578;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo, no shortage of fine leather tho. shortage of fine leatherworker
1933906;1567697624;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, problem here is that what i want ~doesn't exist. what you describe works wunderbar if one wants a very common item, yes.
1933907;1567697634;asciilifeform;rright, you want tailored .
1933908;1567697645;asciilifeform;this makes sense. tailored, as in , fella with measuring tape, measures.
1933909;1567697784;*;asciilifeform wonders whether motorcyclists all buy 'pret a porter' or there is in fact tailor somewhere who works these
1933910;1567697941;mircea_popescu;honestly, for all the idle [http://trilema.com/2019/black-or-white-the-day-of-saturday/#footnote_0_83878][puffery] to the contrary, i am coming to discover that i'm in all likelyhood the first to do the shit i do, and possibly only one to have ever attempted, throughout history.
1933911;1567697954;mircea_popescu;so, needless to say, ~0 chances of running into the tools "floating down the river" so to speak
1933912;1567697978;mircea_popescu;i suppose this is also a decent proxy for insanity. (what else is insanity, than consistently dealing with problems nobody else dealt with ?)
1933913;1567697978;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if only it were only mircea_popescu who regularly discovers this...
1933914;1567698005;mircea_popescu;kinda, my experience of sexuality's a lot like your experience of it.
1933915;1567698065;mircea_popescu;"dude wtf, if you're gonna do this, why the fuck do it so derpily!"
1933916;1567698066;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: you know, this trouble with "what I want doesn't exist" I tend to have for the simplest of items to wear, not even going for leather straps at all, lol.
1933917;1567698078;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, shoes, too, i bet.
1933918;1567698082;mircea_popescu;traditionally the lot of womanhood!
1933919;1567698095;diana_coman;and I wouldn't count it as "nobody did this before" either, I think I still have some patterns in grandmother's attic ffw
1933920;1567698112;mircea_popescu;what, for restraining leather garter belts ?!
1933921;1567698112;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: oh yes, shoes.
1933922;1567698124;diana_coman;ahahah, didn't search for *those*
1933923;1567698129;mircea_popescu;:p
1933924;1567698137;asciilifeform;( to take trivial example : at one time i designed a 'fg 2' that uses scintillator crystal . background radiation is moar than enuff to make this go. however also need a reverse-biased large surface diode for detecting pulses. these need a clean (i.e. not from oscillating converter) ~60 volt. then thought : 'this is simple, all would need is 20 x 3v photocells in series, in epoxy. surely someone sells this !! guess wat. )
1933925;1567698154;mircea_popescu;heh
1933926;1567698177;mircea_popescu;that;s the infuriating part, "man, this shit's so obvious!"
1933927;1567698211;asciilifeform;it's imho a fucktonne moar obvious than some of the shit sold for similar purpose (e.g. piezo transformers, work a++ but entirely unsuitable, cuz, again, oscillator)
1933928;1567698284;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: do you remember by any chance *where* did you say explicitly that one's less by precisely their investment/time outside the republic?
1933929;1567698294;mircea_popescu;dang
1933930;1567698301;mircea_popescu;no, but it sounds a lot like something i wish i said.
1933931;1567698324;diana_coman;I know for sure you did, just need to... find it.
1933932;1567698336;mircea_popescu;im gonna have to put a search in won't i.
1933933;1567698352;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i even went and looked among the 'audiophile' idjits -- y'know, the folx who attach rubidium clocks to their cd players 'for cleaner wave', buy holy water, operate factory in texas where 9v batteries (yes) still made with 1940 tech (why, cannot say, but 'for Troo Authentic sound' somewhere...) -- nodice
1933934;1567698358;mircea_popescu;aha
1933935;1567698364;diana_coman;it might be in the logs too.
1933936;1567698381;asciilifeform;diana_coman: pretty sure this line was in log
1933937;1567698401;*;asciilifeform goes to look, but -- as usual -- comes up empty
1933938;1567698558;diana_coman;myeah, I had been searching for a while before asking; I'll have to do with my own asking for the thing I can't yet find, won't I.
1933939;1567698611;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, part of the problem is that i think we index things very differently ; your words don't trigger my memory. do you remember any actual words that were definitely in there ?
1933940;1567698738;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: I thought "less of a man" was in there but I can't say I'm 100% sure
1933941;1567698846;mircea_popescu;hm
1933942;1567698948;diana_coman;I also think it might have been in reply to one of asciilifeform's threads re how he can't escape (hence possibly why it rings a bell with him?) but again, if I knew exactly, I'd have found it by now.
1933943;1567699093;asciilifeform;dun think it was in these ; but since i can't recall exactly where , could be wrong
1933944;1567699143;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: possibly I'll find it later as inner-indexing tends to keep working in the background after one of those anyway and pops up with the result some days from now or such shit.
1933945;1567699163;mircea_popescu;aha
1933946;1567699538;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933867 << in usa this is worse than anyone could believe, asciilifeform is ~still~, 2y later, looking for equiv. of those boots, for any price that's less than 'ticket to ro again'. 0 result.
1933947;1567699539;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-05 12:24:47 diana_coman: mircea_popescu: you know, this trouble with "what I want doesn't exist" I tend to have for the simplest of items to wear, not even going for leather straps at all, lol.
1933948;1567699713;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Redwing 606 is probably as close as your local market has.
1933949;1567699732;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i fucking hate laces tho
1933950;1567699782;asciilifeform;at any rate that's merely 1 example .
1933951;1567703928;asciilifeform;thinking again today about [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933875][this] , and dug, found in fact that [https://toshiba.semicon-storage.com/us/product/opto/photocoupler/photovoltaic-output.html][toshiba] & coupla others offer ~single~ cell led<->photovoltaic pieces. and that could prolly connect these in series for the desired effect...
1933952;1567703929;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-05 12:25:58 asciilifeform: ( to take trivial example : at one time i designed a 'fg 2' that uses scintillator crystal . background radiation is moar than enuff to make this go. however also need a reverse-biased large surface diode for detecting pulses. these need a clean (i.e. not from oscillating converter) ~60 volt. then thought : 'this is simple, all would need is 20 x 3v photocells in series, in epoxy. surely someone sells this !! gu
1933953;1567704009;*;asciilifeform unsurprisingly found 0 record of anyone having ever done this for any purpose whatsoever .
1933954;1567708579;bvt;hello. asciilifeform: answered your comment. diana_coman: the logline you were looking for seems to be this: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-03-19#1903465 , as a rephrase of http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2018-11-10#1870880 discussion
1933955;1567708583;snsabot;Logged on 2019-03-19 18:52:57 mod6: Because like we discussed before, some paraphrasing "man puts in 20% of time is 20% of a man".
1933956;1567708583;snsabot;Logged on 2018-11-10 19:40:02 mircea_popescu: so to summarize : 1. one hour (!?) wrangling with auctionbot on the 4th (the result still wrong) ; 2. 2 hours handling three conflated processes (why do you keep notes as an intermediate step ?) on the 5th ; 3. 1 hour reading logs on the 6th ; 4. half hour reading logs on the 7th ; 5. 1.3 h mostly brainstorming on the 8th ? ; 6. half hour doing... i don't know what on the 9th ; 7. 4 (four ?!) hours doing i stil
1933957;1567708609;diana_coman;bvt: it is, thank you!!
1933958;1567708643;bvt;yw
1933959;1567708698;asciilifeform;bvt: answered.
1933960;1567709017;asciilifeform;meanwhile in chance finds of [https://scintillators.ru/booc/criticality/reports/ref_061.pdf][vintage lulz]. ( [http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/eGDJX/?raw=true][de-pdfized of the engl. text]. ) ( and [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log-search?q=slotin&chan=trilema][see also] . )
1933961;1567709201;diana_coman;basically my "less of a man" was more precisely "20% of a man", ahem.
1933962;1567712425;diana_coman;but hm, I still think mod6's line actually paraphrased a different discussion and I quite distinctly remember it said by mircea_popescu ; if my memory of it is any good, ofc.
1933963;1567714249;bvt;diana_coman: ok, http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-04#1900385 ?
1933964;1567714249;a111;Logged on 2019-03-04 21:14 mircea_popescu: empire does not in any factual sense exist. man who works 70% of the time for idiots is === the remaining 30% of that man.
1933965;1567714330;bvt;more precisely, http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-03-04#1900385
1933966;1567714332;snsabot;Logged on 2019-03-04 16:14:16 mircea_popescu: empire does not in any factual sense exist. man who works 70% of the time for idiots is === the remaining 30% of that man.
1933967;1567715032;diana_coman;bvt: yes! that one indeed; and look at that, it *was* in one of asciilifeform's threads indeed.
1933968;1567715051;diana_coman;thank you bvt for digging it fully up!
1933969;1567715503;diana_coman;I see also more clearly my usual trouble finding sources: the original exact bit is deep in the roots while the part easily found is the tip of the tree grown from those roots, huh.
1933970;1567716121;diana_coman;!!v B54F424D889826858C750E85977ABC64B6EA6BBBC8EF678E174602F8295C82CB
1933971;1567716121;deedbot;diana_coman updated rating of bvt from 1 to 2 << knows where things are in the logs! + useful work towards a republican kernel; writes at http://bvt-trace.net
1933972;1567716212;bvt;i kind of remembered that it had something with to do with percentages, this surfaced out mod6's message; when you mentioned that the result is still ~wrong, remembered that it had something to do with "man who invests X% of time into empire...", used phf's log for a keyword search.
1933973;1567716327;bvt;asciilifeform's searcher matches 'many' when looking for 'man', produces too many results to filter through all of them (thought the line was there too)
1933974;1567716334;bvt;ty for rating!
1933975;1567716386;diana_coman;bvt: you need to search for "man" so it doesn't return "many" if you want exact match
1933976;1567716412;diana_coman;i.e. use "" for exact match
1933977;1567716493;bvt;would not work: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=time+man vs http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log-search?q=time+%22man%22&chan=trilema
1933978;1567716592;diana_coman;ah, you are right; that sort of thing is still on to-do list, yes.
1933979;1567717446;mircea_popescu;nice archival work there bvt !
1933980;1567717541;mircea_popescu;spyked, "the painstaking labour involved in moving every post to MP-WP (plus fixing the links) would take a yet-to-be-determined amount of time" << why is this to be a pain ?
1933981;1567717576;mircea_popescu;consider the other side : you add comments ; but then trackbacks ?
1933982;1567717668;mircea_popescu;in any case, it is outright impossible to answer your "wat do" question as stated ; because it's in fact multiple questions.
1933983;1567717724;mircea_popescu;1. re blog, i do not currently believe it makes any sense to have blogs in anything but php ; 1.a with the exception that trying out things (as opposed to, production) is trying out things, and people can try out whatever ~they feel like~ (while they're stuck producing what works).
1933984;1567717746;mircea_popescu;2. re lisp, i do believe finishing the hutch story is very useful.
1933985;1567717802;mircea_popescu;but imo it's folly to try and marry 1 to 2 because of what's, ultimately, merely a name coincidence.
1933986;1567718303;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: he does seem to have an almost-working (i.e. all but for comments) cl blogotron, unlike errybody else, tho.
1933987;1567718498;*;asciilifeform would also like to hear the full hunchentoot vivisection .
1933988;1567718611;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933928 << this is correct. btw lobbes , diana_coman , ( others ? ) -- if no one is presently looking at this, then i'ma do it, the lack of quoted search is grating to asciilifeform also
1933989;1567718612;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-05 17:33:34 diana_coman: ah, you are right; that sort of thing is still on to-do list, yes.
1933990;1567718916;diana_coman;asciilifeform: I'm rather deep into http://ossasepia.com/2019/09/05/a-summers-summary-and-next-steps-in-eulora/?b=writing&e=#select atm so not presently looking at the logger, no.
1933991;1567718952;asciilifeform;ty diana_coman . if lobbes also occupied, i'ma do it
1933992;1567718968;asciilifeform;cuz it needs doin'
1933993;1567722712;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/09/black-south-africans-turn-violently-against-other-black-africans-as-migration-raises-tensions/ << Qntra -- Black South Africans Turn Violently Against Other Black Africans As Migration Raises Tensions
1933994;1567722757;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, all but for comments which, once done, will expose all but for trackbacks and all but for antisspam
1933995;1567722785;mircea_popescu;and then all but for image autoresizing and then all but for x y z
1933996;1567722786;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: possibly other missing knobs also (search?)
1933997;1567722811;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: your wp has automated image resizing ??
1933998;1567722815;mircea_popescu;yes.
1933999;1567722819;asciilifeform;neato
1934000;1567722865;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2019/what-is-a-blog-complete-spec-inside/?b=scales&e=sizes#select
1934001;1567724733;*;asciilifeform back in '07 sewed his php wp with 'fascism' , it can only write to db, not to disk directly ; so was never able to use the bitmap processing , www uploader, related, features
1934002;1567724791;mircea_popescu;trilema has rhe advantage of size, dun particularly want to put anything else on box, so dun so muich care
1934003;1567724846;asciilifeform;right, and lotsa good photoreportage , i suspect it helps that mircea_popescu can plug camera almost straight to bl0g w/out sweating
1934004;1567724867;mircea_popescu;very much.
1934005;1567724885;mircea_popescu;i shall belabour this point
1934006;1567724903;mircea_popescu;what people don't realise is just HOW unlinear the returns are.
1934007;1567724904;BingoBoingo;I kinda worry about the process fascism which has asciilifeform's 2018 Uruguay journey still largely un photoblogged
1934008;1567724931;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu has point, he has 9000x moar painless workflow re photos
1934009;1567724933;mircea_popescu;the naive view is to think that making the cost 10% less will result in... what, 10% more output ? if it takes me 9 seconds of unpleasant laboru instead of 10, i'll just do 11 images instead of 10.
1934010;1567724971;mircea_popescu;this is exactly false : what actually happens is that if the labour's over threshold the output is 0, and if it's under the output is x. like a transistor exactly
1934011;1567724980;asciilifeform;forward voltage lol
1934012;1567725010;mircea_popescu;AND THEN!!! the marginal increase is exactly like in exam lists. anyone saw ever one of those, 100 people per place sovok things ? 10.0 9.99 9.99 9.99 9.98
1934013;1567725019;mircea_popescu;and so ongoing, 100 people before 9.8 is reached /
1934014;1567725041;mircea_popescu;EXACTLY the same thing. "what's an extra point ?" "dude are you kidding me, it's the difference between leningrad and urals"
1934015;1567725078;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: funnily, these not only in sovok. ( but then again asciilifeform 20y ago lol )
1934016;1567725086;mircea_popescu;right.
1934017;1567725113;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in 'modern' usa they like to 'normalize exam' to make the visual spread look bigger, for some reason
1934018;1567725124;mircea_popescu;myeah. weirdos.
1934019;1567725126;mircea_popescu;anyway, imto bed.
1934020;1567725131;asciilifeform;goodnight mircea_popescu
1934021;1567728211;trinque;hey lookie there, drunkbot still connected.
1934022;1567728227;trinque;there may be a brief deedbot outage as I beat the old version with a wrench and deploy new
1934023;1567728295;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/09/microsoft-invites-stallman/ << Qntra -- Microsoft Invites Stallman
1934024;1567728927;trinque;!!gettrust deedbot trinque
1934025;1567728928;deedbot;L1: 1, L2: 7 by 7 connections.
1934026;1567728934;trinque;alrighty, new release!
1934027;1567728945;trinque;now with even less cron-kill-loop
1934028;1567740170;asciilifeform;trinque: neato
1934029;1567744477;lobbes;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933845 << ah this is perfect, ty! Will use
1934030;1567744479;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-05 11:29:06 asciilifeform: lobbes: you can also sync the way diana_coman did , using the [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log-raw/trilema?istart=1932600&iend=1932700][raw dump knob] and eater .
1934031;1567744485;lobbes;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933941 << I don't mind taking this on, though I warn that I will absolutely take longer than asciilifeform would!
1934032;1567744486;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-05 18:12:54 asciilifeform: ty diana_coman . if lobbes also occupied, i'ma do it
1934033;1567744493;lobbes;I think, in general, it makes sense for me to chew through the logotron "todo" list right now. I would eventually like to [http://trilema.com/2019/so-i-was-thinking/#comment-131290][get a php version of the reader.py] written for purposes of comparison.
1934034;1567744501;lobbes;But, in order to do this I need to fully understand the "guts" of the logotron anyway, and eating the current todo list I think will help to achieve this. Plus the code is already fresh in my mind!
1934035;1567752548;diana_coman;lobbes: ericbot overboard? lolz
1934036;1567754930;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933666 <-- was a great test for feedbot 'reliable failure', tho
1934037;1567754930;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-04 11:35:45 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933645 << dead as of '16 iirc
1934038;1567754930;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-04 08:57:46 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933426 <-- speaking of which, I notice there's a feed in there, btcalpha.com, which consistently clogs up the bot. I'm guessing the site it points to is long dead, shall I remove it?
1934039;1567754931;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-03 14:06:42 mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Ti4kZ/?raw=true << feedbot scrollback, keks
1934040;1567755091;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933705 <-- imho his vtron is worth at least mirroring.
1934041;1567755091;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-04 14:13:00 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: did anyone ever find out where esthlos went ?
1934042;1567755169;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933696 <-- ok, will take 'em (and the ones mentioned subsequently) off as soon as I get the free hands.
1934043;1567755169;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-04 13:25:57 mircea_popescu: spyked, wow look at that. okay, so btcalpha, anco.is, esthlos.com can all come off.
1934044;1567755483;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933694 <-- ftr, I'm pretty sure that the same coat can be applied to mp-wp without much effort. so if e.g. billymg is interested, I can provide him with everything he needs; tho the blog is online already, not especially difficult to see how the webpage is structured.
1934045;1567755484;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-04 13:20:53 asciilifeform: spyked: 'I still haven't genesized The Tar Pit; by the way, is there anyone else out there interested in using it?' << me. i'ma be moving my www and quite interested in all approaches to de-php-izing . and you have imho a++ visual coat on yours.
1934046;1567755700;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933930 <-- eh, when I first wrote the blog, I chose "markdown" as markup, so now would have to write some extra code to take the generated html content and add it to mp-wp db; problem is, there's the manual step of verifying that the resulting content looks okay, and e.g. the photoblog posts use thetarpit-specific css.
1934047;1567755701;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-05 18:04:58 mircea_popescu: spyked, "the painstaking labour involved in moving every post to MP-WP (plus fixing the links) would take a yet-to-be-determined amount of time" << why is this to be a pain ?
1934048;1567755790;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933944 <-- certainly a lot missing on this side of things
1934049;1567755791;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-05 19:31:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, all but for comments which, once done, will expose all but for trackbacks and all but for antisspam
1934050;1567755967;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933935 <-- not entirely. at this point, http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933934 is in the phase where "let's use these pieces we've reviewed to do some useful X", where X can be blogotron comments, logotron frontend, etc. so say I illustrate Hunchentoot through these applications; are they to be just for didactic purpose? and if yes, then w
1934051;1567755967;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-05 18:09:18 mircea_popescu: but imo it's folly to try and marry 1 to 2 because of what's, ultimately, merely a name coincidence.
1934052;1567755967;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-05 18:08:22 mircea_popescu: 2. re lisp, i do believe finishing the hutch story is very useful.
1934053;1567755973;spyked;hat's the usefulness in the end if I'm not gonna do anything productive with it?
1934054;1567756242;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933956 <-- I can defo see the productivity advantage of integrated img resizer, but when /me wrote this, he took the [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933628][opposite] philosophical standpoint: text can be written using whatever text editor the user wishes; and uploaded to blog however he wishes. similarly, images can be processed using i
1934055;1567756242;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-05 20:07:40 mircea_popescu: what people don't realise is just HOW unlinear the returns are.
1934056;1567756242;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-04 05:34:47 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933586 << in any case disintegration is probably the road towards manageability of software
1934057;1567756248;spyked;magemagick (what I believe mp-wp uses currently?) or gimp batch processer; regardless of what is to be used, the tools *are already there*, it's the user's problem how or what he uses. I for one don't wanna use web interface for photo processing, nor did I ever intend to add this to thetarpit, nor would I stop anyone from adding them if they wish
1934058;1567756310;spyked;e.g. I never seriously considered adding comments before tmsr, because who else would comment? and similarly for trackbacks
1934059;1567756433;spyked;anyway, I guess the q is in fact whether there's any use to this entire lisp-webstuff exercise. if not, I can go back to wp and work on other stuff, there's no shortage of that.
1934060;1567756543;*;spyked is going to mull on this for the next week or so, meanwhile will prioritize vpatches he has in the queue
1934061;1567756733;spyked;in other news, I'll be outta town this weekend and for a few days next week. should have a buncha photos to post afterwards
1934062;1567756914;spyked;aaand bbl, putting gas mask on for dive into saecular liquishit
1934063;1567762320;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1933996 << for all the whining re php, one thing mp-wp most definitely does right is that it separates the article from the mark-up
1934064;1567762320;mircea_popescu;so technically, you'd have to clean up your articles, so they're actual articles before they can be put in the db ?
1934065;1567762369;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 04:25:25 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933930 <-- eh, when I first wrote the blog, I chose "markdown" as markup, so now would have to write some extra code to take the generated html content and add it to mp-wp db; problem is, there's the manual step of verifying that the resulting content looks okay, and e.g. the photoblog posts use thetarpit-specific css.
1934066;1567762369;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-05 18:04:58 mircea_popescu: spyked, "the painstaking labour involved in moving every post to MP-WP (plus fixing the links) would take a yet-to-be-determined amount of time" << why is this to be a pain ?
1934067;1567763293;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934003 << i don't know if didactic's the word, rather evaluatory. we want to know what exact dragons lay there, in the general, and you declared yourself interested in lisp, so it seemed a very natural fit ; then you self-selected the task and i didnt have any objectiosn, for these reasons.\
1934068;1567763294;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 04:29:58 spyked: hat's the usefulness in the end if I'm not gonna do anything productive with it?
1934069;1567763382;mircea_popescu;consider the illustrative (is it didactic, nwo that's illustrative ?) case of alf's py logotron : NOW that he's done it, i can say things like [http://trilema.com/2019/so-i-was-thinking/#comment-131265][depends what you count] ; before, i couldn't very well have.
1934070;1567763531;mircea_popescu;if you never put the work in to evaluate hutch, there'd never have been any basis for [][conclusions] << my comment re "this isn't lisp" should have gone in there, but i can't fucking find it because on your blog has no recent posts nor in the logsearch because thetarp hutch return nothing becuase your blog doesn't have title-urls.
1934071;1567763558;mircea_popescu;title-urls are fucking important!
1934072;1567763609;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934000 << i've yet to see lisp actually do anything useful, so this'd be a quindecennial first.
1934073;1567763609;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 04:29:51 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933935 <-- not entirely. at this point, http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933934 is in the phase where "let's use these pieces we've reviewed to do some useful X", where X can be blogotron comments, logotron frontend, etc. so say I illustrate Hunchentoot through these applications; are they to be just for didactic purpose? and if yes, then w
1934074;1567763609;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-05 18:09:18 mircea_popescu: but imo it's folly to try and marry 1 to 2 because of what's, ultimately, merely a name coincidence.
1934075;1567763610;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-05 18:08:22 mircea_popescu: 2. re lisp, i do believe finishing the hutch story is very useful.
1934076;1567763746;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934009 << i don't know yet ; superficially hutchentoot seems like it's python-in-lisp as a stotting exercise by the sort of sparsely-beareded / unemployable postdoc students that do this sort of dumb shit because they can (or can't get laid).
1934077;1567763746;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 04:37:38 spyked: anyway, I guess the q is in fact whether there's any use to this entire lisp-webstuff exercise. if not, I can go back to wp and work on other stuff, there's no shortage of that.
1934078;1567763834;mircea_popescu;i have no strong feeling either way, it's your toy as far as i'm concerned. if you judge it's worth pushing forward by all means, let's see what comes of it, and if you judge this is just a waste of time, by all means, it can stand like that, "spyked went on lisp expedition cca 2019, upon consideration it didn't seem worth bothering with"
1934079;1567763884;mircea_popescu;i really can't atm tell the difference between gcc-in-php and hutchentoote, myself. but i am a sluggish intellect, takes me a while.
1934080;1567764152;mircea_popescu;(as an aside, leaving be the situation where this is entirely obscure arcana, top results on "hutchentoot" searches include 2015 tmsr logs, consider http://compgroups.net/comp.lang.lisp/scripting-in-cl-please-comment/239090 as a fine illustration, the moneyshot being macro index,pager <F7> " <enter-command> set pipe_decode=yes<enter> <enter-command> set my_wait_key=\$wait_key wait_key=no<enter> <pipe-message>/home/tpapp/so
1934081;1567764152;mircea_popescu;ftware/misc/savebody<enter> <enter-command> set wait_key=\$my_wait_key &my_wait_key<enter> <enter-command> set pipe_decode=no<enter> " "view message body in browser"
1934082;1567764160;mircea_popescu;i expect it's needless to say moar.)
1934083;1567764228;mircea_popescu;no, cl isn't the lang the fucktard knows best -- that's transparently excel/vb whatever. but whatevs.
1934084;1567764411;mircea_popescu;(this, also, before we get into "Hunchentoot talks with its front-end or with the client over TCP/IP sockets and optionally uses multiprocessing to handle several requests at the same time. Therefore, it cannot be implemented completely in portable Common Lisp. It currently works with LispWorks and all Lisps which are supported by the compatibility layers usocket and Bordeaux Threads." discussions.)
1934085;1567764474;mircea_popescu;"Hunchentoot is (or was) for example used by <a href="http://quickhoney.com/">QuickHoney</a>, <a href="http://www.city-farming.de/">City Farming</a>, <a href="http://heikestephan.de/">Heike Stephan</a>." << forgot to put that lulz in the log somehow.
1934086;1567764484;mircea_popescu;fancy that, useful lisp!
1934087;1567764639;mircea_popescu;also in the lulz, "Hunchentoot does not come with code to help with running it on a privileged port (i.e. port 80 or 443) on Unix-like operating systems. Modern Unix-like systems have specific, non-portable ways to allow non-root users to listen to privileged ports, so including such functionality in Hunchentoot was considered unnecessary. Please refer to online resources for help. At the time of this writing, [http://yaws
1934088;1567764640;mircea_popescu;.hyber.org/privbind.yaws][the YAWS documentation] has a comprehensive writeup on the topic." << the link is something else, its spurious whie really bolsters the useless postdoc angle.
1934089;1567764748;mircea_popescu;(different pos wanna-wanna-wanna be server.)
1934090;1567770613;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934014 <-- more along the lines of: convert from thetarpit-format to mp-wp-format so that paragraphs, photos etc. display properly; it's not a big deal, but I expect there are a few unknowns that might require manually walking the article list. which isn't *that* big, but still.
1934091;1567770614;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 06:31:19 mircea_popescu: so technically, you'd have to clean up your articles, so they're actual articles before they can be put in the db ?
1934092;1567770730;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934020 <-- there's no "conclusion" post, but yeah, these oughta go somewhere. the closest thing to a conclusion is http://thetarpit.org/posts/y06/09d-hunchentoot-vib.html#selection-970.0-970.7
1934093;1567770730;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 06:51:30 mircea_popescu: if you never put the work in to evaluate hutch, there'd never have been any basis for [][conclusions] << my comment re "this isn't lisp" should have gone in there, but i can't fucking find it because on your blog has no recent posts nor in the logsearch because thetarp hutch return nothing becuase your blog doesn't have title-urls.
1934094;1567770772;spyked;other than that, I guess you meant "recent comments"? recent posts are on the main page; and as for title-urls, http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log-search?q=from%3Afeedbot+hunchentoot&chan=trilema works from what I see
1934095;1567770856;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934022 <-- hm, that's a very strong point re. this decision whether to continue or not. well, #trilema has some IRC bots powered by Lisp, so that's something.
1934096;1567770857;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 06:52:48 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934000 << i've yet to see lisp actually do anything useful, so this'd be a quindecennial first.
1934097;1567770857;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 04:29:51 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933935 <-- not entirely. at this point, http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933934 is in the phase where "let's use these pieces we've reviewed to do some useful X", where X can be blogotron comments, logotron frontend, etc. so say I illustrate Hunchentoot through these applications; are they to be just for didactic purpose? and if yes, then w
1934098;1567770857;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-05 18:09:18 mircea_popescu: but imo it's folly to try and marry 1 to 2 because of what's, ultimately, merely a name coincidence.
1934099;1567770857;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-05 18:08:22 mircea_popescu: 2. re lisp, i do believe finishing the hutch story is very useful.
1934100;1567770997;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934030 <-- hm. who's that? can't seem to relate it to the subj. in any way (other than the post mentioning CL)
1934101;1567770998;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 07:01:51 mircea_popescu: (as an aside, leaving be the situation where this is entirely obscure arcana, top results on "hutchentoot" searches include 2015 tmsr logs, consider http://compgroups.net/comp.lang.lisp/scripting-in-cl-please-comment/239090 as a fine illustration, the moneyshot being macro index,pager <F7> " <enter-command> set pipe_decode=yes<enter> <enter-command> set my_wait_key=\$wait_key wait_key=no<enter> <pipe-message>/h
1934102;1567771320;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934029 <-- not sure thetarpit's current code is more than "php scripting in Lisp" either, it was written in my CL-noob years. the webpage generation bits are pretty nifty tho, on account of [http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/092-cl-who.html][cl-who].
1934103;1567771321;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 06:57:23 mircea_popescu: i really can't atm tell the difference between gcc-in-php and hutchentoote, myself. but i am a sluggish intellect, takes me a while.
1934104;1567771611;spyked;hm, rereading http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934017 , I'm thinking I should really write a summary/post-mortem post. but more generally, I need to organize all the comments so far (and whatever's to come) and see what to make of this.
1934105;1567771611;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 06:47:33 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934003 << i don't know if didactic's the word, rather evaluatory. we want to know what exact dragons lay there, in the general, and you declared yourself interested in lisp, so it seemed a very natural fit ; then you self-selected the task and i didnt have any objectiosn, for these reasons.\
1934106;1567771611;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 04:29:58 spyked: hat's the usefulness in the end if I'm not gonna do anything productive with it?
1934107;1567771662;spyked;in any case, I'll publish the hunchentoot genesis today, as promised. /me bbl again
1934108;1567775740;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1933983 - fwiw this sounds like a good plan to me.
1934109;1567775740;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 01:34:11 lobbes: I think, in general, it makes sense for me to chew through the logotron "todo" list right now. I would eventually like to [http://trilema.com/2019/so-i-was-thinking/#comment-131290][get a php version of the reader.py] written for purposes of comparison.
1934110;1567778855;lobbes;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1933985 << ugh, looks like I lost [http://logs.minigame.biz/2019-09-06.log.html#t05:55:02][~2 hours of logs]
1934111;1567778857;lobbesbot;Logged on 2019-09-06 05:55:02: *** Quits: ericbot (~ericbot@208.70.251.10) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
1934112;1567778857;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 03:32:53 diana_coman: lobbes: ericbot overboard? lolz
1934113;1567778877;lobbes;^ incidentally, I love connectolade in logs for just such reasons
1934114;1567778897;lobbes;may make that a patch in logotron... eventually!
1934115;1567779022;lobbes;!!up ericbot
1934116;1567779023;deedbot;ericbot voiced for 30 minutes.
1934117;1567779027;lobbes;!e uptime
1934118;1567779028;ericbot;lobbes: time since my last reconnect : 1d 7h 30m
1934119;1567779056;lobbes;^ definitely some funkiness with the !e uptime reporting too (ty diana for pointing that out in #o)
1934120;1567779098;lobbes;I will dig later tonight / this weekend. Will see what I can figure out
1934121;1567781481;asciilifeform;lobbes: what's in yer bot log ?
1934122;1567781510;asciilifeform;lobbes: i.e. what did it do for those 2h instead of reconnecting ? ( or didja have to cycle it manually..? )
1934123;1567781854;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934022 << can't resist the bait -- neither the 3y of phf's logger, nor deedbot, 'useful' ? ( or does 'see' require that proggy is actually published ? or wat. )
1934124;1567781855;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 06:37:14 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934000 << i've yet to see lisp actually do anything useful, so this'd be a quindecennial first.
1934125;1567781926;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, useful here is used to denote the situation where it ~actually forces environmental change around itself~. in this sense, apache is successful, but linux is unsuccessful.
1934126;1567781965;mircea_popescu;byantines, successful, us about to become unsuccessful (ie, its fundamental unsuccessfulability preparing to become manifest)
1934127;1567781985;*;diana_coman takes note of unsuccessfulability
1934128;1567781988;mircea_popescu;:D
1934129;1567782000;mircea_popescu;important concept of the cult!!!
1934130;1567782027;asciilifeform;apropos : http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934034 << this gripe is factual -- cl standard was written by 'tower of babel' and specifically excluded unix knobs. so all ~usable pc lisps in fact have nonstandard knobs for threads, sockets, etc. iirc this was detailed in prev. threads.
1934131;1567782027;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 06:50:37 mircea_popescu: (this, also, before we get into "Hunchentoot talks with its front-end or with the client over TCP/IP sockets and optionally uses multiprocessing to handle several requests at the same time. Therefore, it cannot be implemented completely in portable Common Lisp. It currently works with LispWorks and all Lisps which are supported by the compatibility layers usocket and Bordeaux Threads." discussions.)
1934132;1567782029;diana_coman;since I just walloped poor shrysr for misuse of "tragedy", might as well start compiling a "basic vocabulary for younghands graduation@
1934133;1567782035;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, [http://trilema.com/2011/un-rasad-uscat/][un rasad uscat] prolly interestinf precursor
1934134;1567782363;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: illuminate plox ?
1934135;1567782368;mircea_popescu;which ?
1934136;1567782387;asciilifeform;the linked piece. i dun know the cultural refs.
1934137;1567782415;*;asciilifeform brb:teatime
1934138;1567782425;mircea_popescu;ah. "rock music", right ? the culty group of the 90s ?
1934139;1567782466;mircea_popescu;piece in short says that even the ridoinculous ufo-religions of the ustards / futurology produced things (eg, apple. or wikipedia)
1934140;1567782471;mircea_popescu;but "rockers"...
1934141;1567783976;*;asciilifeform even as a child, was allergic, so prolly last 1 who should be asked. and in fact if could buy a martian radio that somehow tunes, back in space and time, in sovok circa 1984 -- ~would~ .
1934142;1567784001;asciilifeform;in fact ~this~ is largely for what asciilifeform uses his sound card.
1934143;1567784056;*;asciilifeform cold, as a stone, to 'rock' and the other digestive enzymes of the octopus.
1934144;1567784163;diana_coman;o.O asciilifeform's sound card tunes back in space and time to sovok circa 1984 ??
1934145;1567785004;feedbot;http://thetarpit.org/posts/y06/09f-hunchentoot-genesis.html << The Tar Pit -- Hunchentoot genesis
1934146;1567785502;mircea_popescu;so you mean like, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oavMtUWDBTM][the trololo guy] ?! corina chiriac ?!
1934147;1567785708;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L98RF213Kc << the martian radio service grants wishes
1934148;1567785709;asciilifeform;diana_coman: [http://www.sovmusic.ru/][just about] .
1934149;1567785853;*;diana_coman sings macaraaaale / rad in soareee
1934150;1567785871;mircea_popescu;argintii... macarale...
1934151;1567785961;*;asciilifeform sadly not expert classicist in ro-sovok; from it knows only 'trei culori cunosc pe lume...'
1934152;1567785965;diana_coman;for completeness @rotaku, [www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvNFrn2uLrs][macarale]
1934153;1567786016;BingoBoingo;So local news. In the past 24 hours the local cops have been involved in 2 incidents which are very oppressive by Uruguay standards and unremarkable in most other parts of the world.
1934154;1567786040;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: lemme guess, they ticketed a motoroller
1934155;1567786055;asciilifeform;for parking on sidewalk.
1934156;1567786087;mircea_popescu;keks
1934157;1567786095;BingoBoingo;1. Yesterday the cops put themselves in front of a farmers march. The folks with tractors and horses prevailed without anything notable byeond the confrontation.
1934158;1567786114;asciilifeform;diana_coman: square links only work if have the htt... prefix
1934159;1567786121;mircea_popescu;did they start [http://trilema.com/2013/compliance/][feeling up poor chicks on the side of road] ?
1934160;1567786137;BingoBoingo;2. Last night police stopped an anti-papermill march that had gone hooligan with the rubber bullets
1934161;1567786182;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: what do the orcs have against paper ?
1934162;1567786202;mircea_popescu;"trabajo" si, trabajo no
1934163;1567786209;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: They hate that the new paper mill will *EMPLOY* people
1934164;1567786240;mircea_popescu;i expect this'll be the standard in socialism.
1934165;1567786245;BingoBoingo;And that it'll eat the eucalyptus trees that don't belong here anyways
1934166;1567786247;asciilifeform;i still dunget it... is it american paper mill? or wat
1934167;1567786249;asciilifeform;a.
1934168;1567786262;mircea_popescu;if kids in school can hate it / try and bully kids who learn in school
1934169;1567786269;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: UPM, Finish firm. THis will be their second here.
1934170;1567786274;mircea_popescu;the "adults" come out of them will surely do the fucking same just as soon as they're 20% or so by social mass
1934171;1567786280;asciilifeform;lol, finns?!
1934172;1567786300;BingoBoingo;Bigger anger may be that they'll export rather than making corrugated kraft board for their arts and crafts time
1934173;1567786318;diana_coman;spyked: the "broken" vdiff is possibly the issue with "exploding" because of using the initial version of keccak that stores each bit on a full octet-space?
1934174;1567786327;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: why would finns, whose ~sole export is timber, build a paper mill in BingoBoingostan?!
1934175;1567786336;mircea_popescu;cuz they know about paper mills
1934176;1567786351;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Because they are good at paper and Uruguay has artificial forests to pulp
1934177;1567786373;asciilifeform;i suppose makes sense -- finn forests are furniture-grade
1934178;1567786420;BingoBoingo;Uruguay's are firewood and pulp grade seeing as the forests in Uruguay with few exceptions were put in due to the lack of ground sourced hydrocarbons
1934179;1567786424;asciilifeform;btw another things asciilifeform's ancestors had in sovok that asciilifeform can't buy for any amt of money in gringolandia -- the famous 'finnish wall'(tm) -- y'know (or maybe not know?) this thing, cabinets, glass-doored bookshelves, that fill a wall
1934180;1567786464;mircea_popescu;sure, had a whole room decked in that
1934181;1567786466;mircea_popescu;library.
1934182;1567786471;asciilifeform;aha!! these
1934183;1567786471;diana_coman;asciilifeform: know that but not by the name of "finnish wall" at all
1934184;1567786487;diana_coman;as mircea_popescu really: it's called library or maybe "study room" lol
1934185;1567786493;mircea_popescu;aha
1934186;1567786495;asciilifeform;diana_coman: possibly yours wasn't finnish , but locally made, ro has out of what
1934187;1567786506;mircea_popescu;early ikea, had modules with fold-in table, dozen+ types otherwise
1934188;1567786551;diana_coman;and what, ussr didn't have timber??
1934189;1567786564;mircea_popescu;lego for adults. well, "adults", like the woman in http://trilema.com/2017/the-goodbye-girl/
1934190;1567786590;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'ikea' is mega-bestselling here. but, as you might expect, they sell such things as they can get away with to the locals, who can't tell actual wood from glue-an'-dust
1934191;1567786619;BingoBoingo;There used to be a place in my hometown that specialized in bespoke woodwork. Pipe organs, aircraft, and cabinetry. Now: https://archive.is/flYlo "Celebrate your special event in style when you choose Olde Wicks Factory Special Event Center in Highland, IL. Our venues are located in a 100-year-old building, formerly the Pipe Organ Company, and feature stunning stained glass, exposed brick, chandeliers, and beautiful outdoor space. With
1934192;1567786619;BingoBoingo;three distinct spaces to choose from, your wedding venue, event space, or reception hall will be everything you envisioned and more."
1934193;1567786638;asciilifeform;diana_coman: sovok didn't have the magick proximity of the folx who know how to make furniture, and the old-growth timber, aha
1934194;1567786687;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: well, and e.g. howard hughes built the 'spruice goose', world's largest flying tub, also. i was speaking of mass products.
1934195;1567786800;BingoBoingo;I dunno that propper cabinetry can be a mass product rather than build to suit
1934196;1567786829;asciilifeform;can. or , rather -- could.
1934197;1567786938;BingoBoingo;In the US where the primary use of wood is structural all sorts of complications emerge that you gotta count during the site survey. How much is the floor sunk and where. How far off of plumb are the walls, etc, etc
1934198;1567787015;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: dafuq, floor sunk, walls off plumb?! i'm in the most starvation-grade hovel here and my floor is level, and corners are 90 degree
1934199;1567787037;asciilifeform;is 'off plumb' a midwest thing, or wat
1934200;1567787051;BingoBoingo;Back at the Orange Despot the kitchen cabinet girls were the most specialized, because their job involved breaking the news to customers that they can't just sum the cost of the cabinets because their home's structure sucks.
1934201;1567787085;asciilifeform;meanwhile in [http://trilema.com/2017/the-goodbye-girl/#comment-122849][vintage oddball spam] via mircea_popescu's link.
1934202;1567787098;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Termites and age. There is a certain point arount the 1910s where in the Midwest they simply stopped demolishing and kept adding.
1934203;1567787154;asciilifeform;hm i vaguely recall a thread where lobbes , i think, exclaimed 'i just put my foot through the fucking floor'
1934204;1567787160;BingoBoingo;So when there was a fad like dormers to increase upstairs space in the mid 20th century, structure be damned 40 year old stick structure gets dormers.
1934205;1567787218;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo, was, in hruscheba world. standard spaces -> standard furniture
1934206;1567787262;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: we weren't even in hruscheba, but in the 19th-c-converted-to-kommunalka . still 100% square walls.
1934207;1567787286;mircea_popescu;aha.
1934208;1567787291;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Just entering into the record the US insanity where residential spaces are never standard.
1934209;1567787297;mircea_popescu;ustermites build out of woodpaste not stonepaste tho
1934210;1567787343;BingoBoingo;See also http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-01-16#1887564
1934211;1567787345;snsabot;Logged on 2019-01-16 10:41:11 BingoBoingo: The only reason mod6's sill plate problem is exceptional is someone looked at his sill plate. In USistan most people don't know they have the sill plate problem because they never look.
1934212;1567787368;*;asciilifeform when moved into current woodpaste, went in it when it was empty and put ball bearing on the floor. it didn't move.
1934213;1567787396;mircea_popescu;nice for the swamp
1934214;1567787401;asciilifeform;structure is circa 1960 , i think.
1934215;1567787576;asciilifeform;more interestingly, on subj, when put in 'ikea' desk, found that it is impossible to keep ball bearing still on it, no matter how legs are adjusted. the 'wood' gives under weight of displays etc.
1934216;1567787605;mircea_popescu;well, glued woodpaste
1934217;1567787614;asciilifeform;aha. mostly -- glue.
1934218;1567787744;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: these here swamp dwellings are built sorta like those huts in vietnam. there's a concrete plinth, and ~1m columns, on these -- the floor.
1934219;1567787758;mircea_popescu;makes sense
1934220;1567787835;asciilifeform;some of the nearby folx, have actual cellars, and these have pumps going at all times, sorta like bilge pump in ship. they gurgle out to the street periodically.
1934221;1567787886;asciilifeform;occasionally 1 of these pumps gives out, and then truck shows up to repair the drowned furnace etc. for megabux.
1934222;1567787974;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> some of the nearby folx, have actual cellars, and these have pumps going at all times, sorta like bilge pump in ship. they gurgle out to the street periodically. << This is the midwestern standard. On a long enough timeline every structure with a basement needs one.
1934223;1567788087;asciilifeform;!q uptime
1934224;1567788088;snsabot;asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 21d 3h 1m
1934225;1567788098;mircea_popescu;three weeks (tm)
1934226;1567788103;BingoBoingo;And the archive link loaded https://archive.is/t5IiJ "Mientras marchaban, hicieron pintadas y rompieron vidrios. Entre los edificios pintados se encuentra el de la Dirección Nacional de Medio Ambiente (Dinama). En determinado momento de la manifestación, vieron a un policía que estaba en una garita cumpliendo tareas de 222 y lo golpearon. Cinco patrulleros llegaron hasta el lugar y la policía detuvo a cinco personas, pero una
1934227;1567788103;BingoBoingo;fue liberada por orden de la Fiscalía."
1934228;1567788114;asciilifeform;hey diana_coman , didja ever manually test the reconnector? i -- did; but from lobbes's bot i have dark suspicion that it doesn't 100% work !!
1934229;1567788191;asciilifeform;( and btw it will only ever work as well as the fleanode serv list given in config. ideally oughta give several hand-picked ip )
1934230;1567788257;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: is 'dinama' the same busybodies who tried to confiscate the replacement rk i sent you, for 'enviro pollution' ??
1934231;1567788280;mircea_popescu;doh
1934232;1567788561;asciilifeform;unrelatedly, to round off [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933902][this] subthread : toshiba's 'TLP3905' in fact gives 7+v out from ~1.7v in, w/out oscillation. and is ~1 $ in qty. ( so 7 of'em, + e.g. LT3014B micropower linear regulator, would in fact give noiseless +40 for that diode. )
1934233;1567788561;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-05 14:02:30 asciilifeform: thinking again today about [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933875][this] , and dug, found in fact that [https://toshiba.semicon-storage.com/us/product/opto/photocoupler/photovoltaic-output.html][toshiba] & coupla others offer ~single~ cell led<->photovoltaic pieces. and that could prolly connect these in series for the desired effect...
1934234;1567788607;asciilifeform;pretty interestingly, imho, no such application is discussed anywhere on the public net. almost as if no one ever gave half a shit .
1934235;1567788611;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: They are
1934236;1567788655;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: But they did yield once the magic words were found. Their building has one of those old timey attended elevators.
1934237;1567788726;asciilifeform;( 'TLP3905' only gives 12uA, and the regulator eats ~7uA as heat, but diode eats only picoamp or so as leakage current when reverse-biased )
1934238;1567788883;asciilifeform;i.e. [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-06-07#1917694][this] old puzzler, is thereby solved.
1934239;1567788885;snsabot;Logged on 2019-06-07 16:36:15 asciilifeform: ( the 1 annoying aspect of lysotronic fg as currently drawn, is that it gets the +45v bias voltage for the detector, from batteries, as asciilifeform does not know of a 'rng safe' method to generate it from +5 without oscillators )
1934240;1567789242;asciilifeform;before putting the subj back on the shelf , will also note, you dun actually need the lyso crystal if you have one of those radwaste 'coin' such as comes with old geigers -- can put right on the diode, it is entirely passable detector by itself above 100kEv or so .
1934241;1567789315;asciilifeform;however there are some ultra-fascist locales where can't easily buy those (current day ru comes to mind)
1934242;1567789552;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, re-read that comment, still nfi wtf it's about. possibly civillian being clever in spare time.
1934243;1567789579;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: when i 1st read, thought 'substance abuse'
1934244;1567789608;mircea_popescu;by now, esl ~= substance abuse kinda like "true communist" ~= trotstky glasses cca 1919
1934245;1567789697;asciilifeform;btw in re 'countries where can't buy test button for geiger' -- is ridiculously impotent ban; all you gotta do is to (carefully!) collect dust from crt monitor screen for coupla wks, and mix into a coupla grams of epoxy. po-210, 214, 218 . (exercise for reader : how did it get there?)
1934246;1567790122;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile in capital controls on the other side of the river https://imgur.com/a/m0IX6HM ;tldr they have to go to the bank location with forms before incoming SWIFT wires post to their accounts
1934247;1567790171;mircea_popescu;cuz god forbid any money makes it in ?
1934248;1567790174;BingoBoingo;Pesification!
1934249;1567790208;mircea_popescu;exact above discussed crab mentality, aka the true core of socialism. "We might be fucked in the ass, but at least we all are, equally so'
1934250;1567790212;BingoBoingo;Well, god forbid any incoming money make it to the intended recipient. God forbiding any money make it in comes later
1934251;1567790227;asciilifeform;'los dolares se pesifican automaticamente' lol!!!
1934252;1567790336;mircea_popescu;wtf does that even mean
1934253;1567790349;BingoBoingo;There's also been a lot of butthurt from Argentines that the banks in Uruguay don't want to deal with them.
1934254;1567790350;mircea_popescu;they steal it, basically ?
1934255;1567790361;BingoBoingo;They steal it, yes. It's Argentina.
1934256;1567790365;asciilifeform;i suspect 'go ahead send in us $, we'll give your zimbabwebux instead'
1934257;1567790371;mircea_popescu;keks.
1934258;1567790383;BingoBoingo;Macri claimed "free market, Argentine banks finally safe" and then he Christina'd
1934259;1567794819;spyked;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934123 <-- huh, whaddaya know, that was the problem! ty, diana_coman! unfortunately baking a patch isn't as simple as "vdiff a b", because sbcl comes with binaries included. :| will get to this when I'm back home
1934260;1567794821;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 12:55:45 diana_coman: spyked: the "broken" vdiff is possibly the issue with "exploding" because of using the initial version of keccak that stores each bit on a full octet-space?
1934261;1567795111;diana_coman;spyked: there is a newer version of keccak that works on octet-sized input but iirc it's not yet in vdiff, might help to get it in anyway (and then see if it still fails)
1934262;1567795194;diana_coman;spyked: I mean this patch on eucrypt http://ossasepia.com/2019/03/15/eucrypt-chapter-16-bytestream-inputoutput-keccak/
1934263;1567795339;asciilifeform;lobbes, diana_coman , et al : [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3452][logotron page updated to include lobbes's piece] !
1934264;1567795402;asciilifeform;meanwhile , ACHTUNG trinque & ben_vulpes : >>> http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-09-06#1000253
1934265;1567795403;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 15:25:52 bvt: hello. seems that dns/http of p.bvulpes.com fell off -> deedbot can't produce OTPs
1934266;1567795411;asciilifeform;!!up bvt
1934267;1567795412;deedbot;bvt voiced for 30 minutes.
1934268;1567795482;bvt;ty. spyked, diana_coman : i fixed the problem with keccaking large files in vdiff here http://bvt-trace.net/2019/07/vdiff-vpatch-blockwise-keccaking/
1934269;1567795606;bvt;i did not switch to the newer keccak code, as this would not solve underlying issue: vdiff would still crash with large files, just the limit would be 8x larger
1934270;1567795861;diana_coman;bvt: that is true
1934271;1567796295;asciilifeform;achtung, panzers! about to upgrade 'reader', expect ~10s of down time.
1934272;1567796315;*;asciilifeform done
1934273;1567796655;asciilifeform;oook , e.g. [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log-search?q=%22time+man%22&chan=trilema][this] and other quoted-search nao worx from www form. still gotta find out why not worx from bot cmd.
1934274;1567796688;asciilifeform;once i do, will make vpatch .
1934275;1567796694;asciilifeform;lobbes , mircea_popescu , et al ^
1934276;1567796895;asciilifeform;tho possibly still isn't exactly what we traditionally want. e.g. [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log-search?q=time+%22man%22&chan=trilema][this] , possibly oughta match only space-bounded strings when quoted term ?
1934277;1567796908;asciilifeform;i'ma see what mircea_popescu says when wakes up.
1934278;1567816430;trinque;asciilifeform: yep, I'm going to do something about this right away.
1934279;1567816443;trinque;looks like paster is currently up.
1934280;1567816583;asciilifeform;oh hm ossabot dis/re-connected (apparently properly)
1934281;1567816653;trinque;looks like deedbot's staying attached so far too
1934282;1567816671;asciilifeform;trinque: i was curious specifically re reconnector, in light of lobbes earlier
1934283;1567816676;trinque;in all honesty I think I misunderstood IRC, pinging from client was implemented, responding to pings entirely not.
1934284;1567816696;asciilifeform;trinque: interesting -- so it worked 'by accident' ??
1934285;1567816701;trinque;probably the situation was that most times server doesn't ping if client has already.
1934286;1567816712;asciilifeform;as in, if the pong so happened to be in-phase with last ping -- stayed on
1934287;1567816723;trinque;somethinglikethat
1934288;1567816723;asciilifeform;trinque: i suspect the latter rather
1934289;1567816761;trinque;then there's some threadism weird that I solved by lopping off, where an exception wasn't handled properly and the thread died, rest remained.
1934290;1567816780;asciilifeform;aa.
1934291;1567816786;trinque;I was by no means a lisp expert when I wrote the item, so in re: languages thread, I don't think it should reflect on CL
1934292;1567816800;trinque;reflects on me!
1934293;1567816808;asciilifeform;trinque: i recall sewing 'pehbot' from it, found it a little overengineered (e.g. oopized)
1934294;1567816845;trinque;not even properly CL oopized. java-headed oop
1934295;1567816875;trinque;but you know, learning is a thing. at any rate, I'm probably going to muntz a tad further and vpatch this weekend.
1934296;1567816908;trinque;various nonthreadly parts of deedbot's stack are still bulletproof, and have been for years
1934297;1567816910;trinque;e.g. wallet
1934298;1567816926;trinque;(the various problems with it have been related to replication between pg instances, and not CL)
1934299;1567816955;trinque;in other CLisms, esthlos' vtron works great. it's a shame he left.
1934300;1567816977;asciilifeform;meanwhile in entirely unrelated bizarre : i obtained from a junk seller, what appears to be an orcish serial port card made at [http://vniitf.ru/][РФЯЦ – ВНИИТФ] . the famous fortified city. at some pt will make photo-reportage re internals. oughta be interesting from 'how did folx who actually Gave A Shit build their irons?' archaeological pov.
1934301;1567817044;asciilifeform;cast iron brick, sealed with what passes for governmental seal in current-day orcistan, it alone oughta be interesting in teardown.
1934302;1567817133;*;asciilifeform in fact bothered to see whether it sets off the geigers. almost surprised that it did not.
1934303;1567817168;asciilifeform;trinque: indeed a shame that he left. esthlos was a+++ fella while alive.
1934304;1567817200;asciilifeform;i wonder whether in fact died. left without any goodbye -- and his www is frozen exactly as it was
1934305;1567817366;asciilifeform;trinque: the vtron [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-09-05#1000219][may be buggy] tho. ( i haven't tried personally however )
1934306;1567817367;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-05 14:41:05 shinohai: Anyway, this morning's experiments show that esthlos V won't press trb correctly. Barfs on asciilifeform's numbered bitcoin vpatches, eg:
1934307;1567817422;trinque;eh "this morning's experiments" don't appear to be on a blog or otherwise documented
1934308;1567817430;asciilifeform;tru
1934309;1567817430;trinque;as I say to folks all the time BAD BUG REPORT
1934310;1567817450;*;trinque will be back in a sec after eating logs
1934311;1567817453;asciilifeform;i wish folx would get into the habit of fucking posting their barf
1934312;1567817493;trinque;otherwise one's doing what, "expressing himself" ?
1934313;1567817546;trinque;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1933983 << I think this kind of comparison is exactly what's needed.
1934314;1567817548;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 01:18:37 lobbes: I think, in general, it makes sense for me to chew through the logotron "todo" list right now. I would eventually like to [http://trilema.com/2019/so-i-was-thinking/#comment-131290][get a php version of the reader.py] written for purposes of comparison.
1934315;1567817575;trinque;I was just thinking of doing a few pasters, in light of the current paster not looking so good.
1934316;1567817594;asciilifeform;trinque: maybe 1st try raising ben_vulpes from his grave ?
1934317;1567817607;asciilifeform;or is he completely totalled ?
1934318;1567817617;trinque;bv wishes not to be raised, and I shan't press the issue further.
1934319;1567817628;asciilifeform;sad.
1934320;1567817638;asciilifeform;RIP.
1934321;1567817736;trinque;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933879 << the fact of the matter is that there are very few folks pulling revenue from inside the republic.
1934322;1567817736;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-05 12:28:25 diana_coman: mircea_popescu: do you remember by any chance *where* did you say explicitly that one's less by precisely their investment/time outside the republic?
1934323;1567817760;trinque;obviously a circumstance I'd like to see remedied.
1934324;1567817868;trinque;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934003 << this is I think the subcurrent here.
1934325;1567817869;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 04:29:58 spyked: hat's the usefulness in the end if I'm not gonna do anything productive with it?
1934326;1567817916;trinque;on the subj of CL webtrons, the approach I've used is to have the CL proggie write static html (from another place, even) to a toilet static www server.
1934327;1567817950;asciilifeform;trinque: on ramdisk ?
1934328;1567817967;asciilifeform;trinque: how do you keep the serv from serving it up before 100% written ?
1934329;1567817992;asciilifeform;or, for that matter, how do you process e.g. PUT? or url params ?
1934330;1567818011;trinque;on wot.deedbot.org I don't. it's a cut-of-the-knot approach
1934331;1567818020;asciilifeform;aa there it naturally worx
1934332;1567818039;asciilifeform;but for anyffin moar complicated (e.g. having a search box)
1934333;1567818068;trinque;the IRC-for-input and www-for-output split was contemplated in an old thread. I still like it
1934334;1567818132;asciilifeform;this obv. worx in some applications. but i dun grasp how one would implement e.g. searchable log, this way
1934335;1567818155;trinque;!s search terms
1934336;1567818166;trinque;http://link/to/written/result.html
1934337;1567818224;trinque;my !!key method works precisely this way, actually
1934338;1567818231;asciilifeform;trinque: and then you gotta delete these ? what if you want the [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log-search?q=trb&chan=trilema][resulting link] to remain clickable ?
1934339;1567818244;asciilifeform;trinque: this worx because keys are relatively static.
1934340;1567818276;trinque;if running out of disk accumulating text is a concern, could keep last n
1934341;1567818307;asciilifeform;i like that search links from arbitrarily long ago are clickable and human-readable.
1934342;1567818321;trinque;if no-js is a rip along one perforation, no dynamic html is another
1934343;1567818322;asciilifeform;and that can search from www, without cluttering chans ( my bot doesn't do PM and i intend to keep it that way )
1934344;1567818350;trinque;sure, I'm not trying to take it away
1934345;1567818366;asciilifeform;right. was explaining why i did not see it as a workable cut when wrote mine.
1934346;1567818374;trinque;iirc at one point also a block explorer was contemplated that'd shit static html
1934347;1567818379;trinque;plenty of apps needn't more
1934348;1567818386;asciilifeform;that'd be perfect case for statics imho
1934349;1567818389;asciilifeform;blox dun change.
1934350;1567818439;trinque;heh, does this become an even better case for apache+php. "you only need it for search/comments/etc"
1934351;1567818482;asciilifeform;lobbes iirc went to make one, lessee what he comes back with
1934352;1567818499;trinque;been thinking of another angle on the question. these items are residue left by *money* flowing through them
1934353;1567818526;asciilifeform;trinque: which items ?
1934354;1567818536;trinque;the webshitlangs
1934355;1567818540;asciilifeform;a
1934356;1567818591;asciilifeform;trinque: imho the moar printolade flowed 'through' $proggy, tends to be [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-14#1928573][the moar of a turd it is]
1934357;1567818591;snsabot;Logged on 2019-08-14 10:55:56 asciilifeform: 'lamp' and the influx of deskilled labour connected with its rise , is imho exactly basketball tumour, and succinctly summarized by [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2017-02-18#1615386][naggum]
1934358;1567818643;trinque;the republic can do one of two things. it can eat a language including interpreter/compiler, or it can take the "tear-arms-off-and-beat-them-with" approach.
1934359;1567818653;asciilifeform;( e.g. java, and microshit, prolly the very usg gosplan & central bank run on'em. still liquishit. )
1934360;1567818657;trinque;being simplistic; there's plenty of hybrid to be had
1934361;1567818736;trinque;seems like the arms with least resistance to being torn off usefully are the ones with shortest dependency chain.
1934362;1567818750;asciilifeform;trinque: i went to look at what is php made from ( given all the prodding by mircea_popescu ) and seems to weigh at least as much as the python toolchain
1934363;1567818761;trinque;I'm not arguing for php, feeling around for method
1934364;1567818768;trinque;it's forth for all we know right now
1934365;1567818787;asciilifeform;well i was genuinely curious. for all i knew, lighter
1934366;1567818963;trinque;the existence of mod_php isn't much of an argument either. there's mod_everything
1934367;1567818969;asciilifeform;trinque: for overall smallest mass of system + all needed for $problem ? afaik forth in fact is the unchallenged champ, wherever was historically tried.
1934368;1567819004;asciilifeform;i'm not about to ask folx to learn it tho ( asciilifeform in fact quite fond of forth, and used extensively. but i also recognize that to most people utterly 'martian' )
1934369;1567819038;asciilifeform;chuck moor had , famously , complete vlsi production plant in iirc 3k loc of forth .
1934370;1567819050;asciilifeform;complete w/ electromagnetic models etc
1934371;1567819106;asciilifeform;forth also has the afaik unique attribute where standing up a forth on bare iron is ~weekend's work for an adept
1934372;1567819114;asciilifeform;so 'bootstrap problem' evaporates.
1934373;1567819144;asciilifeform;'peh' is -- arguably -- a (very fascist) forth .
1934374;1567819168;asciilifeform;( moor, if he were in his grave, would be spinning like propeller )
1934375;1567819183;trinque;lol
1934376;1567819290;asciilifeform;on e.g. x86, a forth complete enuff that you could comfortably live the rest of your life in it, weighs about 1kB.
1934377;1567819291;trinque;what's next there? how far is it from being bolted to a network socket of some kind?
1934378;1567819310;asciilifeform;trinque: trivial if you know the magick inits for $nic.
1934379;1567819323;trinque;I mean peh specifically
1934380;1567819327;asciilifeform;ugh
1934381;1567819346;trinque;not asking "why haven't you given me x", just wondering.
1934382;1567819355;asciilifeform;rly you'd want to burn e.g. 4096bits when looping over a 1byte variable ?
1934383;1567819371;asciilifeform;and wait ~1s to multiply 1x1 ?
1934384;1567819395;asciilifeform;( or even 0x0 )
1934385;1567819412;trinque;perhaps to establish session
1934386;1567819418;asciilifeform;iirc mircea_popescu called this 'use 50cal rifle as fishing pole'
1934387;1567819491;asciilifeform;tho imho in this case it is moar like using battalion howitzer as fishing pole.
1934388;1567819533;asciilifeform;trinque: an 'iron peh', where the ALU is actually e.g. 4096b-wide -- may be workable as general-purpose comp.
1934389;1567819537;asciilifeform;but on x86 ?
1934390;1567819543;trinque;what's the iron peh cost
1934391;1567819556;trinque;even as prosthetic, not whole comp
1934392;1567819567;asciilifeform;trinque: elaborate re 'as prosthetic' ?
1934393;1567819592;asciilifeform;i can maybe answer the q, if it is made very, very concrete.
1934394;1567819687;trinque;can an item be built that functions at a network boundary quickly
1934395;1567819703;asciilifeform;( http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934333 is obv. exaggeration, if anyone doesn't grasp. but yer still talking about a 1ms op where normally x86 gives 1ns )
1934396;1567819703;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 22:06:40 asciilifeform: and wait ~1s to multiply 1x1 ?
1934397;1567819719;trinque;i.e. inside I have w/e, naked women, dancing bears, there's a membrane at the edge of my lair run by the ??? in question
1934398;1567819774;asciilifeform;trinque: so, actual honest iron ? 1-2mil transistors. i.e. coupla 100k $ for 1st tray, and afterwards a few cents ea. if baked in qty. as you might expect.
1934399;1567819794;trinque;how fast is the iron?
1934400;1567819872;asciilifeform;this figure for e.g. 65nm . i.e. ~gz or so, realistically.
1934401;1567819915;trinque;so that's the 1ns?
1934402;1567819937;asciilifeform;aha. tho presently i doubt that it's physically possible to make a 4096x4096b multiplier converge in <1ns
1934403;1567819963;asciilifeform;their physical size is ~cube of the bitness , and speed of light is finite.
1934404;1567820026;trinque;so if you'll permit a dunce, imagine a device with a trusted and untrusted interface.
1934405;1567820060;trinque;untrusted interface is w/e nic, running mystery meat, who cares
1934406;1567820070;trinque;middle is your encrypter/decrypter.
1934407;1567820095;trinque;trusted interface shits decrypted material, descripters of who said, and what was said. eats outbound material.
1934408;1567820108;asciilifeform;iirc we had thread about this.
1934409;1567820111;trinque;this cuts the world enough to be useful, unless I'm stupid
1934410;1567820115;asciilifeform;'iron gossipd'.
1934411;1567820118;trinque;entirely
1934412;1567820149;asciilifeform;i proposed it in '16 as a 'gateway' into gossipnet. ( eats packets at line rate, emits from 2nd nic hole the ones that were found edible. )
1934413;1567820205;trinque;that thing has a market. everyone knows tls is a lie.
1934414;1567820209;trinque;even them.
1934415;1567820251;asciilifeform;i'm inclined to agree. but possibly asciilifeform is that last one who oughta talk about 'what has market', asciilifeform also thought FG had mega-market waiting.
1934416;1567820306;asciilifeform;*the last one
1934417;1567820348;trinque;I wouldn't propose building the thing without first identifying the market.
1934418;1567820435;trinque;the republic can't live correctly and expect folks to line up. the world's too far gone. money has to whip around in republic-shaped loops long enough to retrain enough human heads.
1934419;1567820436;asciilifeform;trinque: it would indeed 'cut world', in the sense that gives you a gossiptronic net fully layered over the traditional one. and with dozen+ entrance boxen, suddenly impossible to effectively ddos anything on the inner (i.e. what comes out of the 2nd plug) world.
1934420;1567820460;trinque;I have been enamored of this idea since the first mircea_popescu and asciilifeform threads on same.
1934421;1567820477;asciilifeform;imho it's the obv. Right Thing.
1934422;1567820543;asciilifeform;if you actually want to verify 4096bit rsa packets at line rate, tho, yer stuck baking silicon.
1934423;1567820628;asciilifeform;on ordinary x86 -- state-of-art today is [http://bvt-trace.net/2019/07/unrolled-x86_64-assembly-multiplication-for-updated-to-ch-14-ffa/][bvt's inline asm where 0.25s per 4096bit modexp] .
1934424;1567820664;trinque;the slow prototype'd still be useful as that, no?
1934425;1567820694;asciilifeform;trinque: the slow prototype is what asciilifeform (is slowly getting back nao!) to working on .
1934426;1567820715;trinque;if there is any other mundanity in the way feel free to throw it at me.
1934427;1567820736;asciilifeform;but important to remember that yer nic can still eat 512b shitograms roughly 10,000x faster than you can modexp on'em . even w/ bvt's asmisms.
1934428;1567820789;asciilifeform;you can parallelize the work, but the amt of effective diff it makes , is relatively small when compared to the absolute size of the above shortfall.
1934429;1567820828;trinque;call that a positive, less risk of prototype standing up and running away from your desk
1934430;1567820836;asciilifeform;lol
1934431;1567820885;asciilifeform;i'ma get it to the point where does the job orig. promised. but 'unsinkable network battleship' will have to wait for actual irons , as i understand .
1934432;1567821004;asciilifeform;a gb nic can theoretically swallow 2**18 512b packets / sec .
1934433;1567821019;trinque;maybe at that point a couple of us can muster a couple 100k to see it baked
1934434;1567821039;trinque;I'd just want to know who we're selling to. ourselves isn't enough
1934435;1567821113;asciilifeform;i certainly wouldn't invite anyone to pay to build such space station until thoroughly familiar with working example 'in soft'
1934436;1567821189;asciilifeform;( btw , for thread-completeness -- you need 4096 modexp in < 3.8 ~microsecond~ to eat GB at line-rate. )
1934437;1567821234;trinque;so potentially could go for bigger process than 65nm?
1934438;1567821242;asciilifeform;aaand this is counting whole interval, in which not only rsa but e.g. keccak padding calc. gotta happen.
1934439;1567821251;asciilifeform;trinque: opposite.
1934440;1567821278;asciilifeform;entirely possib. that it is only feasible in 35nm or better.
1934441;1567821294;asciilifeform;this is difficult to calculate 'on napkin' w/out an actual complete iron design, however.
1934442;1567821318;asciilifeform;1 of the reasons why iron is such a bitch is that ~very~ small differences in logical design can give gigantic diff in performance.
1934443;1567821403;asciilifeform;whole thread nearly borders on sin, given as almost anyffin i say on the subj is likely to be catastrophically wrong.
1934444;1567821425;asciilifeform;i.e. even answering the feasibility q is likely to be quite expensive.
1934445;1567821429;trinque;I'm just glad to hear it's still on teh conveyor
1934446;1567821481;asciilifeform;trinque: it is. tho i lost more than month (not counting the entirely pointless expedition of [http://www.loper-os.org/?cat=58]['M'], then could say lost 3mo ! )
1934447;1567821525;asciilifeform;seems like erry summer asciilifeform does a jet-powered flight into brick wall. last time it was the cr50 thing.
1934448;1567821600;trinque;heh, this place needs a cartoonist so bad
1934449;1567821617;asciilifeform;after http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934226 is put to rest, i'ma leave the logger alone, unless someone finds catastrophic problem .
1934450;1567821617;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 15:52:02 asciilifeform: tho possibly still isn't exactly what we traditionally want. e.g. [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log-search?q=time+%22man%22&chan=trilema][this] , possibly oughta match only space-bounded strings when quoted term ?
1934451;1567821631;asciilifeform;would really like to get back to conveyor .
1934452;1567821789;trinque;god, unrelatedly, it suddenly becomes clear that when I moved deedbot to singapore, I increased his ping.
1934453;1567821807;asciilifeform;ping to trinque's current chair ?
1934454;1567821817;asciilifeform;( i imagine ping from asia, ~decreased~ neh )
1934455;1567821818;trinque;to freenode, I'd be willing to wager
1934456;1567821831;asciilifeform;would depend which fleanode box, neh
1934457;1567821845;asciilifeform;how many even work any moar
1934458;1567821866;asciilifeform;iirc mircea_popescu surveyed, and found that it was some laffably small #
1934459;1567821869;trinque;and I was using chat.freenode.net, and lo, the bot was better connected in certain sessions than others.
1934460;1567821870;asciilifeform;as in, single digits
1934461;1567821921;trinque;so then, lets say freenode pings you if you haven't pinged in last x, and x happened to resemble my ping interval closely.
1934462;1567821938;trinque;"have you tried installing it with up facing up?"
1934463;1567821968;trinque;the cuntoo experience really did some radiation damage to my patience for the oss stack.
1934464;1567821977;asciilifeform;trinque: i found , when experimented, that [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-31#1932838][you have just about half minute!] to answer their ping
1934465;1567821977;snsabot;Logged on 2019-08-31 23:58:52 asciilifeform: (i.e. it is in fact possible to fleanode with hands! via telnet)
1934466;1567821993;trinque;lol, and my ping thread was doing every 30sec!
1934467;1567822001;asciilifeform;ahahaha
1934468;1567822038;asciilifeform;trinque: if you had made it 29 -- prolly would have seemed to work 4evah
1934469;1567822072;asciilifeform;( in spite of algo being wrong )
1934470;1567822107;trinque;hysterically bad
1934471;1567822155;asciilifeform;it is interesting, irc protocol asks that pingism follow form 'PING foo' 'PONG foo' . but their foo seems to be a constant.
1934472;1567822175;asciilifeform;if they'd actually made it variant, like was orig. meant, you would have noticed right away that your algo aint it.
1934473;1567822200;trinque;I'm gonna go chase a girl around the house a bit, bbl
1934474;1567822211;asciilifeform;[http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2018-02-02#1779522][see also]
1934475;1567822211;snsabot;Logged on 2018-02-02 11:23:06 asciilifeform: the 'postel's law' nonsense, of silently forgiving people who send liquishit at the dusty disused corners of the protocol, enabling there to even ~be~ such a thing as dusty corners in a protocol!, MUST die.
1934476;1567822218;asciilifeform;trinque: i'ma also bbl. food, sleep...
1934477;1567822259;asciilifeform;( pet : 'when me?' )
1934478;1567822300;*;asciilifeform off to meat.
1934479;1567827779;lobbes;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934213 << ty!
1934480;1567827780;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 15:26:07 asciilifeform: lobbes, diana_coman , et al : [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3452][logotron page updated to include lobbes's piece] !
1934481;1567827784;lobbes;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934071 << about to head to bed, but tomorrow morning I'm gonna do some deep log spelunking and investigating and report findings in a blog post.
1934482;1567827784;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 11:35:08 asciilifeform: lobbes: what's in yer bot log ?
1934483;1567829386;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933961 << it occurs to me this passed unformalized, and it'd be a pity. so, the mp theory of work-conditions-and-productivity-for-[http://trilema.com/2014/fred-quimby-and-ancient-evils/][intellectuals] :
1934484;1567829386;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-05 19:53:23 asciilifeform: forward voltage lol
1934485;1567829446;mircea_popescu;work conditions (understood as available toolset, and available paradigm, driving respectively a physical (ie, time-cost, perceived as pain) and mental (also perceived as pain) cost sum to a scalar describing the "painfulness" of the workplace.
1934486;1567829478;mircea_popescu;call that P. meanwhile output, or productivity, is expressed as a different scalar, call it W.
1934487;1567829547;mircea_popescu;the theory says, that for any context there exists in all cases a P-threshold epsilon, such that if P>e W=0 whereas if P<e, W=q, where q is a quantified amount of productivity (because yes, W is quantified, like low-scale energies).
1934488;1567829598;mircea_popescu;that is part one. part two, is that for further reductions of P, W scales superlinearily. in my practice to date, P=e/2 drives W = q^5 approx, like air fucking friction.
1934489;1567829707;mircea_popescu;this theory, for isntance, explains why there's no college outside of say that-one-place-in-mass, or that-one-place between frisco and san jose : the P in, say, chicago is >e.
1934490;1567829752;mircea_popescu;more generally, also explains why [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2016-11-07#1563426][no rembrandts] : P over e.
1934491;1567829754;snsabot;Logged on 2016-11-07 11:53:31 mircea_popescu: recall the "where are the rembrandts then" argument ? the us fails to produce a philosopher worth the mention every other decade ; athens managed that much on 1/1000th the population.
1934492;1567829828;mircea_popescu;it is, obviously, entirely false to imagine that pP is the only factor in P ; mP probably started overwhelming it in importance with the modern age, driving the important point here : this theory ~can actually be used as a timeline-substitute~, replace time with P-at-that-time.
1934493;1567829878;mircea_popescu;historical phenomenology suddenly starts making a lot more sense -- because yes, history is, was and will forever fucking remain the story of great men ; and what great men do with their lives and consequently the world they own and everyone else just inhabits... well, that's a story of P an
1934494;1567829881;mircea_popescu;d w.
1934495;1567830016;mircea_popescu;there's further implications ; but, to fit the point back to narrow interest : saying [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934007][the tools are already there] is not even stupid, it's entirely besides the point. the only effectual question is, "has the lowest possible P in theory been actually realised in practice".
1934496;1567830017;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 04:34:33 spyked: magemagick (what I believe mp-wp uses currently?) or gimp batch processer; regardless of what is to be used, the tools *are already there*, it's the user's problem how or what he uses. I for one don't wanna use web interface for photo processing, nor did I ever intend to add this to thetarpit, nor would I stop anyone from adding them if they wish
1934497;1567830025;mircea_popescu;everything else's just self-harmful wank.
1934498;1567830279;mircea_popescu;this, then, is also why A. the republic is so mingbogglingly successful ; and also B. why so limited in scope.
1934499;1567830349;mircea_popescu;as to A, let it be clearly stated for reviweable record, and let anyone who manages to take his head [http://trilema.com/2013/soft-consensus-aka-fecal-matter/][out of his own ass] verify or challenge this plain statement as best he can :
1934500;1567830443;mircea_popescu;if you call productivity time debit D, D = P/t, it's self-evident that not since [http://trilema.com/2018/the-symbolics-discussion/?b=dozenpe&e=ths#select][the early days of csail] have such Ds been seen on planet earth.
1934501;1567830468;mircea_popescu;the ~reason~ is that not since the same spot have such Ps been seen.
1934502;1567830517;mircea_popescu;the traditional view, driven by high medieval practice, is to regard work~load~ as the dissuasive factor, some guy who might think himself a shoemaker may re-consider if confronted with a pile of shoe leather waiting to be shoed stretching twelve acres and reaching into the skies.
1934503;1567830597;mircea_popescu;this is ~completely~ spurious. the workload has ~entirely and absolutely nothing~ to do with anything. people ~will~ engage just as gladly in "impossible tasks" as in "easy tasks", the driving consideration is P, not "what quantity of W is '''required''' to '''see results'''" or anything like that.
1934504;1567830632;mircea_popescu;(meh, i obviously mean D = W/t).
1934505;1567831267;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-29#1931863 << keks, so what, i been talking of harems &c for a decade+, yet peeps been just assuming i'm fantasizing or something ?
1934506;1567831268;snsabot;Logged on 2019-08-29 09:57:25 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-29#1931848 << this character mentioned 4 or 5 times recently... but does it have a name ? ( i admit, when 1st saw picture, assumed it was a young photo-shy hanbot )
1934507;1567831501;mircea_popescu;anyway, biosacks only need names if they're about to log here. both hanbot an' nicoleci are on, and so far what you lot wanna use them for is rather punching bags, from experience, so i don't see the urgency in naming anyone else.
1934508;1567831629;mircea_popescu;(though i suppose it's a wonderment whether anyone thought eg http://trilema.com/2018/lord-mp-of-tmsr-and-the-plebeian-princess-club/ similarily depicts "camera shy hanbot". in duplicate -- one's been tanning for a half year.
1934509;1567832090;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934209 << keks. because why wouldn't it, amirite.
1934510;1567832091;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 15:17:27 spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934123 <-- huh, whaddaya know, that was the problem! ty, diana_coman! unfortunately baking a patch isn't as simple as "vdiff a b", because sbcl comes with binaries included. :| will get to this when I'm back home
1934511;1567832146;mircea_popescu;!!up
1934512;1567832148;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/B4all/?raw=true
1934513;1567832174;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934214 < <fixed meanwhiles i see ?
1934514;1567832175;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 15:27:10 asciilifeform: meanwhile , ACHTUNG trinque & ben_vulpes : >>> http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-09-06#1000253
1934515;1567832304;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934219 << ok, but that's still no reason not to include it, you know ?
1934516;1567832305;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 15:30:33 bvt: i did not switch to the newer keccak code, as this would not solve underlying issue: vdiff would still crash with large files, just the limit would be 8x larger
1934517;1567832306;mircea_popescu;i guess patch on top.
1934518;1567832682;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934227 << i propose we give it a rest for nao, and upgrade / improve later if need to on basis of experience.
1934519;1567832683;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 15:52:16 asciilifeform: i'ma see what mircea_popescu says when wakes up.
1934520;1567832718;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934235 << ha, interdasting race condition!
1934521;1567832719;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 21:22:10 trinque: probably the situation was that most times server doesn't ping if client has already.
1934522;1567832896;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934241 << or on freenode, which was vaguely suspected of evil for it
1934523;1567832897;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 21:23:35 trinque: I was by no means a lisp expert when I wrote the item, so in re: languages thread, I don't think it should reflect on CL
1934524;1567833434;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934257 << there's a lot of cvasi-effort/idle pullulation  in the wanna-be cloud sharply directed at "being mp on the cheap". he figures he'll be cool if he says that, which is why he does.
1934525;1567833434;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 21:34:11 trinque: eh "this morning's experiments" don't appear to be on a blog or otherwise documented
1934526;1567833455;mircea_popescu;the infuriating part (well, mostly to the girls, but anyway) is just how fucking superificial the cloning is.
1934527;1567833632;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934252 << lol what is this, fallout the rl game ?
1934528;1567833632;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 21:29:22 asciilifeform: in fact bothered to see whether it sets off the geigers. almost surprised that it did not.

1934529;1567833702;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, any reason bot reads a treminating 0001 char on that line ?
1934530;1567834528;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ctcpism
1934531;1567834559;asciilifeform;iirc phf suggested a fix, but i have not tested yet
1934532;1567834611;asciilifeform;( fleanode apparently surrounds 'action' msgs with 2 spurious 0x01, one on ea. side )
1934533;1567834697;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934468 << ha! fewer things to do! i aint about to protest.
1934534;1567834697;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 01:48:32 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934227 << i propose we give it a rest for nao, and upgrade / improve later if need to on basis of experience.
1934535;1567834751;*;asciilifeform will comment on mircea_popescu's other observations when wakes up.
1934536;1567835146;mircea_popescu;ah
1934537;1567836115;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934254 << i think there's so much shame / self-loathing necessarily (and, for that matter, correctly) naturally associated by the mind with leaving here, i dinf it unsurprising dudes leave quietly.
1934538;1567836115;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 21:30:29 asciilifeform: i wonder whether in fact died. left without any goodbye -- and his www is frozen exactly as it was
1934539;1567836152;mircea_popescu;dinf = find
1934540;1567836392;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934268 << ok, so did you also inherit the code/domain etc ? or should i rush through some replacements, eg spyked's imgpaster ? or what here ?
1934541;1567836393;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 21:37:26 trinque: bv wishes not to be raised, and I shan't press the issue further.
1934542;1567836426;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934178 - did not test but apparently bot tested it so I'll have at least one data point to look at when I get to it.
1934543;1567836426;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 13:41:15 asciilifeform: hey diana_coman , didja ever manually test the reconnector? i -- did; but from lobbes's bot i have dark suspicion that it doesn't 100% work !!
1934544;1567836444;mircea_popescu;o howdy diana_coman
1934545;1567836484;diana_coman;morning mircea_popescu
1934546;1567836513;diana_coman;eating mega-log before breakfast here.
1934547;1567836530;mircea_popescu;ikr.
1934548;1567836988;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934271 << or, for that matter, pulling revenue at all. the fundamental problem with socialist "money" aka scrip is that... well, inca prints and distributes.
1934549;1567836989;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 21:39:25 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933879 << the fact of the matter is that there are very few folks pulling revenue from inside the republic.
1934550;1567837187;mircea_popescu;who pulled revenue from ~outside~ of republic ? [http://trilema.com/2016/asscience/][ian murdock] ? [http://trilema.com/2014/lets-do-mark-cuban/][mark cuban] ? [http://trilema.com/2015/you-know-what-gets-no-airplay-unflattering-truth/#footnote_21_63204][esr] ? [http://trilema.com/2012/dan-voiculescu-acest-gunoi-abject/][varanul] ? things that don't exist don't exist because they dont' exist, can't go about blaming the inex
1934551;1567837187;mircea_popescu;istence detector.
1934552;1567837300;mircea_popescu;as the more-honest-us aptly points out, http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934201 ; for everyone else there's http://trilema.com/2017/the-universal-plan-for-wealth/ and not much else (rather : exactly NOTHING else).
1934553;1567837300;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 14:00:54 asciilifeform: 'los dolares se pesifican automaticamente' lol!!!
1934554;1567837360;BingoBoingo;And thusly Uruguay signs road belt plans with China while Argentina sucks all the liver spotted NY cocks
1934555;1567837368;BingoBoingo;circumcised of course
1934556;1567837438;mircea_popescu;in any case, the argument is utterly fucking broken. "get out ; now" "oh but mp, can i stay longer ? it's totally worth it, make so much $$$" "huh, i guess..." "but mp... make no $$$, whay!" "because you're fucked in the head. goto 1."
1934557;1567837494;mircea_popescu;"can't commit" "okay..." "why's nothing happening ?" "duh ?" "nofair, should have way around eat+keep cake" "ummkay."
1934558;1567837627;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934318 - IF it's so good, I'd gladly learn ANY martian.
1934559;1567837627;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 22:16:07 asciilifeform: i'm not about to ask folx to learn it tho ( asciilifeform in fact quite fond of forth, and used extensively. but i also recognize that to most people utterly 'martian' )
1934560;1567837757;mircea_popescu;the matter SIMPLY CAN NOT BE IGNORED : if back in 2017, ie the very month that article came out, joe bloe took out the 20-50k in debt he could and liquidated the 20-50k in assets that he could, converting it to bitcoin at a monthly average $1k, he'd be looking now at either 400k to 1mn in cold hard cash, or else something like 1-1.5mn worth of liquidated assets, if he sold during the peak. (and not AT the peak, for 1.76mn
1934561;1567837757;mircea_popescu;or so).
1934562;1567837768;mircea_popescu;now, who the fuck made that half million in these two years, "pulling revenue" ?
1934563;1567837805;mircea_popescu;"oh, but mp, we didn't know". OF COURSE you fucking didn't know. what you DID know, however, today as in 2017 as in 2015 as for a while, is that the zone's the zone. what the fuck's gonna happen in there ?
1934564;1567838362;*;BingoBoingo told a simple folk this Wednesday "If all you take you Argentina is your plasic card you're going to get your asshole resized." Today, audible incoming "Why are the Argentine ATMs charging me 10 USD to take out pesos"...
1934565;1567838508;BingoBoingo;Fuck you, Gales does cash advance loans on Gringo debit in UY, between Gales and any given Chinese restaurant in BA... how many non-Governmental Ladrones can there be
1934566;1567838539;mircea_popescu;and even with the fucking example! that chick, she was the vp for hr with satan's own blue chip in charge of making airport satanism! YOU SAW THIS HAPPEN, much like [http://trilema.com/2018/the-leak/#comment-130761][linkedin] saw this happen.
1934567;1567838539;mircea_popescu;and, exactly like [http://trilema.com/2013/various-kinds-of-stickiness/#comment-112932][the dumb strippers of yore], you... [http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/?b=Not%20one%20of&e=Noticed#select][explained it away], rite ? (for bonus lulz points, in a manner already documented on trilema, to boot!)
1934568;1567838539;mircea_popescu;well wut da fuck! it works IF you work it, is teh expression. what else is there ?
1934569;1567838596;*;BingoBoingo studying the formal presentation on productivity
1934570;1567838598;mircea_popescu;she's been in here, available, 90% of the time wasted during the intervening year. anyone had anything to ask, about easily the most interesting thing that happened ~on a personal level~, at least since bb actually got the fuck out / mocky tiptoed the sea ?
1934571;1567838622;mircea_popescu;good thing we talk of flaks, that's important. comparatively, i can't argue, WAY yhe fuck more important. hurr.
1934572;1567838691;mircea_popescu;nobody's giving away halfmillions for "knowing how to install linux from scratch" is the sad, if you wish, but irrespectively perdurant fact of the matter.
1934573;1567838695;mircea_popescu;persistence won't change this.
1934574;1567839257;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934283 << and i still don't think there's anything wrong with it. website offering search box not necessity. if bot does, all is well.
1934575;1567839258;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 21:44:57 trinque: the IRC-for-input and www-for-output split was contemplated in an old thread. I still like it
1934576;1567839338;mircea_popescu;html is, we insistently remind, [http://trilema.com/2016/ideological-history-of-the-republic/#footnote_5_69303][A STATELESS PROTOCOL]. no "logins". no cookies. no bullshit.
1934577;1567839380;mircea_popescu;the url params in particular are most confounding, because the concept as commonly encountered in the wilderness inhabited by wildmen actually fuses two VERY distinct and entirely distinguishable things.
1934578;1567839428;mircea_popescu;thing 1 is like http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933212 ; thing 2 is like http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log-search?q=%23select&chan=trilema
1934579;1567839429;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-02 16:35:05 diana_coman: I've finally got around to making the changes from http://trilema.com/2019/proper-html-linking-the-crisis-the-solution-the-resolution-conclusion/ and it works wonderfully! e.g. http://ossasepia.com/reference-code-shelf/?b=Logotron&e=#select
1934580;1567839438;mircea_popescu;the idea's only one of these is correct, the other's madness.
1934581;1567839465;mircea_popescu;yes, from inside the madness it "seems" like "oh but what's the difference". there's a fucking difference.
1934582;1567839584;mircea_popescu;and this is why ~my~ description of cache reads [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-14#1928397][as it does], and so following.
1934583;1567839584;snsabot;Logged on 2019-08-14 02:15:03 mp_en_viaje: in general, fwis, it's ~always much better to do the "use apache for threading and fs-as-cache" model than anything else. but then again i'm not the hacker, don't let me keep you from your destiny.
1934584;1567839718;mircea_popescu;that wasn't an ~idle~, throwaway comment, btw. "don't let me keep you from your destiny" means exactly what it says : that there's a way we know things do actually work, and then there's a history of the republic to date -- it consists of a lulzy/depressing but in any case unrelenting march of people trying to do anything-but-that, everywhich way and all the time.
1934585;1567839835;mircea_popescu;not intentionally an' not deliberately and not awaredly nor am i out for heads. but the situation is indeed like the case where someone just discovered the impact of filth on medicine, and everyone (by which we mean the top whatever %) understood what the theory is, and for their merits gets now to struggle with [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log-search?q=expellas+furca&chan=trilema][expellas] issues forever.
1934586;1567840016;mircea_popescu;(to be perfectly clear : http://ossasepia.com/reference-code-shelf/?b=Logotron&e=#select is what i meant by "thing 1".
1934587;1567840089;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934288 << you're not thinking this through. what's a page, <100kb ? what's the daily output, 100 of these ? you're comitting to 10mb / day thereby ? ie a hour's blockchain ? this too much to ask for the republic ?
1934588;1567840089;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 21:47:39 asciilifeform: trinque: and then you gotta delete these ? what if you want the [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log-search?q=trb&chan=trilema][resulting link] to remain clickable ?
1934589;1567840115;mircea_popescu;don't think in terms "trillion files will lay eggs". will not -- that's why it's in chan. why not take the opportunity to support the republic, specifically ?
1934590;1567840212;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log-search?q=f%3Asnsabot+results&chan=trilema << 23 entries found in trilema for 'f:snsabot results' ; meanwhile
1934591;1567840214;mircea_popescu;!q uptime
1934592;1567840215;snsabot;mircea_popescu: time since my last reconnect : 21d 17h 30m
1934593;1567840220;mircea_popescu;that's a little over 1 / day!
1934594;1567840283;mircea_popescu;not to mention -- we actually have redundancy archival process, yes ? if link ends up in chan, link also ends up archived, yes ?
1934595;1567840313;mircea_popescu;if you actually, inconceivably but actually, start pruning, can just as well do it as "will keep last n searches that weren
1934596;1567840318;mircea_popescu;t done in chan".
1934597;1567840345;mircea_popescu;and, of course, can meter / charge for usage! a bitcent at a time, deedbot won't mind.
1934598;1567840353;mircea_popescu;and so on! WE HAVE AL LTHIS SHIT!!!
1934599;1567840357;mircea_popescu;that we made. to be used!
1934600;1567840414;mircea_popescu;nobody else has anything even REMOTELY like it. nobody.
1934601;1567840452;mircea_popescu;there's 0 reason we even need to give a shit about hunchenbacktoot / rest of heathen world. people pay thousands/month to lease space in "seattle tech incubator", it's ~free here.
1934602;1567840463;mircea_popescu;no fuckin gincubator has even REMOTELY the infrastructure.
1934603;1567840469;mircea_popescu;so i'd say ~time to get crackin',
1934604;1567840772;diana_coman;I have been seriously pondering if I need for YoungHands to actually get a physical space to call "incubator" /similar since apparently that's the magic word that wards off evil or something.
1934605;1567841114;BingoBoingo;God no, I haven't seen a startup incubator that doesn't smell like the sump in my HS locker room.
1934606;1567841143;BingoBoingo;Maybe some other label, but not incubator. At least not incubator in a frost free climate
1934607;1567841279;diana_coman;BingoBoingo: lolz; it's the "familiar" word for students though, basically pattern-matches what they expect, to have them cross the threshold (so that in all probability I have to kick 99% out after that, but such is filtering by def)
1934608;1567841381;diana_coman;in any case, my puzzle there is whether it's worth making even such concession at all; I'm normally not inclined and I'd say it's on them if they are dumb enough to not go in because it doesn't say incubator;
1934609;1567841403;BingoBoingo;Most of the other folks I met here that share a common language with me pattern match Buenos Aires=Bigger=Better
1934610;1567841412;diana_coman;but onth since I'm filtering the sea, I want some place where all the sea goes through
1934611;1567841474;BingoBoingo;I don't see what's wrong with calling it a college and graduating it to University once 1+ graduates have the credentials to propose new faculties to the college
1934612;1567841475;diana_coman;fwiw for me incubator -> 1day chicks and insufferable heat
1934613;1567841485;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, i dunno, sounds very stupidappeasing to me personally. but... your show.
1934614;1567841524;mircea_popescu;why the fuck do we want a buncha patternmatchers anyway ?
1934615;1567841541;mircea_popescu;so they can grumble barely audibly until they built up enough mass to "fight unfairity" or whatever dumb shit ?
1934616;1567841553;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: myeah; I'd rather not do it; my q is whether anyone sees any reason it would be worth it and apparently the answer is no (phew, I'm glad it is no, even)
1934617;1567841557;BingoBoingo;Here Incubator signals roughly the same thing cowork does, but in an older building, and without any ongoing operations anchoring the arrangement
1934618;1567841560;mircea_popescu;if you fuck them.
1934619;1567841577;mircea_popescu;otherwise... i can't imagine why the fuck.
1934620;1567841626;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, his idea might be good, actually. what's the uk requirements for starting a private college ?
1934621;1567841634;diana_coman;to have marked them as pattern matchers, that was the crux of it.
1934622;1567841647;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: I'll have to look into it properly and come back
1934623;1567841652;mircea_popescu;plox ty.
1934624;1567841660;diana_coman;and yes, I'd much rather do that!
1934625;1567841666;mircea_popescu;maybe that's the right move here, transform the badly mismanaged foundation, have it start a college.
1934626;1567841686;mircea_popescu;something's gotta be done about that, too, i dun recall right off but there's however many six figure dubaloos stuck there since last decade
1934627;1567841686;diana_coman;I'd love to.
1934628;1567841712;BingoBoingo;Anyways if there were 40+ warm bodies and a desire to stot I'd suggest https://archive.is/uYcck
1934629;1567841755;BingoBoingo;Any less than 18 and no way a cleaning rotation is covering that place
1934630;1567841852;mircea_popescu;haha old building, huh. those can be nightmareish if poorly built.
1934631;1567841859;mircea_popescu;dja know about building BingoBoingo ?
1934632;1567841876;diana_coman;and esp poor match when computers and networks are involved really
1934633;1567841903;mircea_popescu;holy sshit wut, 4.5mn ?! for 1200 sqm ? baby, in romania ~same is maaaybe 400k.
1934634;1567841906;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I have only Home Depot knowlede of how buildings age which overlaps poorly with the local stock of buildings here
1934635;1567841935;mircea_popescu;AND recent construction. and concrete / cellular autoclaved filler / etc. good stuff.
1934636;1567841954;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Cursed bulding. retarded past occupants as per: "La propiedad estuvo alquilada hasta el 2016 por el Banco IDRC (International Divelopment Reserch Center) entidad Canadiense que hizo todas las prestaciones para los niveles de calidad que este tipo de empresa necesita, tanto a nivel de seguridad como de comodidades para trabajar, respetando el Patrimonio Histórico de la casa principal."
1934637;1567841969;mircea_popescu;nuts.
1934638;1567841979;BingoBoingo;Not a great location either
1934639;1567842013;BingoBoingo;Great location if all you care about is pointing all the antennas at the Spanish embassy, but otherwise... residential desert
1934640;1567842025;BingoBoingo;Homes on every side
1934641;1567842111;mircea_popescu;lotta that 1950s-80s warmbody storage zones in south america
1934642;1567842155;mircea_popescu;i expect they're going to incrementally improve on trotskysm cinematruck / rooseveltism "uber eats", just have a truck visit with supplies weekly.
1934643;1567842169;BingoBoingo;Filtering out stuff like that place is a part of the notes cleaning. The other part is shit that was at an interesting price point for the location selling.
1934644;1567842170;mircea_popescu;for everyone else, it'd be a concentration camp. but for the inmates -- it's home.
1934645;1567842182;BingoBoingo;lol
1934646;1567842258;BingoBoingo;Here's another way the fuck too proud pricing on a potential "INSTITUTO CULTURAL O DE ENSEÑANZA": https://archive.is/2lmyw
1934647;1567842392;BingoBoingo;The other common trap here on listing prices is they'll list what they want to walk away with and paying that leaves a balance with the banco hipotecario
1934648;1567843170;mircea_popescu;wut!
1934649;1567843188;mircea_popescu;these people are fucked in the head, what the fuck.
1934650;1567843273;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934293 << why ?
1934651;1567843273;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 21:49:11 asciilifeform: and that can search from www, without cluttering chans ( my bot doesn't do PM and i intend to keep it that way )
1934652;1567843319;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934300 << you actually don't even fucking need it ; it's a stop-gap measure.
1934653;1567843320;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 21:51:08 trinque: heh, does this become an even better case for apache+php. "you only need it for search/comments/etc"
1934654;1567843394;mircea_popescu;but since we're here, let's actually use the infrastructure!
1934655;1567844016;mircea_popescu;so : who would like to do a spot of work for hire for me ? the ideea is to write and publish as a vpatch a stan logbot extension which a) processes search, through talking to a [presumably present] mysql server, and spitting out the results (formatted as in http://trilema.com/2019/
1934656;1567844016;mircea_popescu;except with also excerpt consisting of prefix / suffix one dozen words around each search term, separated by [...] magic string) as html files (date-time-terms.html) in a special /<botname>-search directory ; and b) takes irc trackbacks, to any article from trilema mentioned in the logs,
1934657;1567844016;mircea_popescu;the line where it was mentioned as text and the url to the logotron ; and c) deploys this to pizarro box (should be getting one presently i'm understanding) -- this step will also include putting a trilema clone in there (i'll provide the mp-wp install/db dumb, all that's needed is a mysql glue such that local myql server slaves trilema.com mysql server ; i intend to make a one line edit to the forms, such that comments le
1934658;1567844020;mircea_popescu;ft on what will be trilema.org get posted to trilema.com instead, and that's that).
1934659;1567844123;mircea_popescu;!Xbuy 100mn 144 item as described in http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934605 and following.
1934660;1567844123;auctionbot;Buy order # 1057 created by mircea_popescu: item as described in http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934605 and following. Opening: 100mn ecu Ending: 2019-09-12 20:26:41.479316 UTC (143 hours)
1934661;1567844123;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 04:57:27 mircea_popescu: so : who would like to do a spot of work for hire for me ? the ideea is to write and publish as a vpatch a stan logbot extension which a) processes search, through talking to a [presumably present] mysql server, and spitting out the results (formatted as in http://trilema.com/2019/
1934662;1567844124;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 04:57:27 mircea_popescu: so : who would like to do a spot of work for hire for me ? the ideea is to write and publish as a vpatch a stan logbot extension which a) processes search, through talking to a [presumably present] mysql server, and spitting out the results (formatted as in http://trilema.com/2019/
1934663;1567844247;*;mircea_popescu thinks asciilifeform should also get something ; though it's unclear how exactly to figure this out. but -- lacking a better idea, i guess he can have 10% of the winning bid in royalties and we see.
1934664;1567844614;mircea_popescu;(ftr, this being a purely apache job, i do expect to see flask and crap taken out ; but othrweise no problem having actual channel sitting bot in python, doesn't hafta be rewritten or anything like that.)
1934665;1567844722;mircea_popescu;(perfectly acceptable for logger part of bot to consist of simply updating article in mpwp-posts, tagged as "logs" category, have one for each day. mp-wp will do the rest.)
1934666;1567844774;mircea_popescu;i think that just about covers it, hopefully.
1934667;1567845013;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934312 << how did you counht ? to reiterate the http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934257 point.
1934668;1567845014;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 21:56:19 asciilifeform: trinque: i went to look at what is php made from ( given all the prodding by mircea_popescu ) and seems to weigh at least as much as the python toolchain
1934669;1567845014;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 21:34:11 trinque: eh "this morning's experiments" don't appear to be on a blog or otherwise documented
1934670;1567845292;mircea_popescu;to close the larger  point here : if we figure out a workable way to do [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934613][the above], this will then necessarily ~monetize the patchchains~, resulting in fixed capital value for all existing chains based on their future-royalty value.
1934671;1567845292;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 05:01:18 mircea_popescu: thinks asciilifeform should also get something ; though it's unclear how exactly to figure this out. but -- lacking a better idea, i guess he can have 10% of the winning bid in royalties and we see.

1934672;1567845356;mircea_popescu;leaving aside the philosophical implications of alternative-human-blockchain (which it is, yes, and which was LONG needed, hence all the 2013-era discussions of bitcoin alien inhumanity on trilema) -- this'll readily permit us to bezzle match the empire, because people can watch their investments appreciate here jsut as well as there.
1934673;1567845500;mircea_popescu;way the fuck better way to spend one's time than [http://trilema.com/2014/the-psychology-of-the-bagholder/][wanking] over [http://trilema.com/2015/apple-first-greatest-biggest-etc/][apple], in any case. and besides -- that's not even a v tree!
1934674;1567847853;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in old lulz, http://trilema.com/2013/america-and-intellectual-relevance/
1934675;1567848381;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934316 << if this were true he'd have been using mod_python instead of flask.
1934676;1567848381;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 21:59:52 trinque: the existence of mod_php isn't much of an argument either. there's mod_everything
1934677;1567848426;mircea_popescu;there's [http://trilema.com/2017/fake-news-are-just-one-tail-of-the-failed-female-state/][~PRETENSE~ to everything] ; very much no tthe same thing at all as actual ising
1934678;1567848907;mircea_popescu;some things elementary can't even be. what'd a mod_lisp be like, and how would it differ from http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933597 ? i expect the answer is "it differs -- in all the wrong ways".
1934679;1567848909;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-03 21:34:37 trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-09-03#1933478 << recently I torched my whole wad of elisp, got fed up with setting the dials on someone else's machine "just so" and calling the "just so" mine.
1934680;1567849004;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934315 << yes dude, but when ~i~ was curious the result came as "[http://trilema.com/2019/so-i-was-thinking/#comment-131265][depends what you count]". extend the same courtesy wtf.
1934681;1567849007;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 21:56:56 asciilifeform: well i was genuinely curious. for all i knew, lighter
1934682;1567849409;mircea_popescu;hm, asciilifeform did log crap out ?
1934683;1567849453;mircea_popescu;ah, back now. mkay.
1934684;1567849549;mircea_popescu;(to give out the full helping of lulz : as far as anyone knows, mod_php doesn't even exist. the [http://archive.is/3R65l#selection-173.0-173.12l][cannonical repository] sports a lulzily empty link ; the backup is [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933437][our old friends'] myspace, wherein the source is given as ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/imap which, needless to say, doesn't resolve. nor do the "mirror s
1934685;1567849549;mircea_popescu;ites" -- most ofwhich dun even have imap, but even the oens that nomionally do : http://mirror.internet.tp/imap/ is dead, etc)
1934686;1567849586;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-03 13:55:32 asciilifeform: same authors, iirc, ~same knobs.
1934687;1567849629;mircea_popescu;i guess i should publish my ancient copy of imap just like with everything else or wtf.
1934688;1567849720;mircea_popescu;i guess i ate a semicolon up there. but anyways -- no, none of this shit actually exists.
1934689;1567850382;mircea_popescu;in any case, the net's been thoroughly scrubbed : http://il.php.net/get/php-4.4.8.tar.bz2/from/us.php.net/mirror no longer works (they even redirected the old /get/ directory to the manual now) ; the downloads studiously only includes the (entirely useless) 7 series. even lulzy spamsites a la http://www.oldapps.com/php_programming_language.php?old_php=13 are dead (the frontend works, but the [http://download.oldapps.com/PH
1934690;1567850382;mircea_popescu;P/php-4.4.8.tar.bz2][actual weightlifter] long gave up the ghost
1934691;1567850427;mircea_popescu;and so following. basically, php's been coopted into the [http://trilema.com/2016/the-text-and-the-piddly-recantion/][tower of binaries].
1934692;1567850658;mircea_popescu;should i put a copy up somewhere so "oh, same as python" wank can continue on actual basis ?
1934693;1567851969;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934318 << nevermind "martian". the table ante for this discussion is "perfectly functioning webserver with two decades history of the same". if it dun have that, it's not a fucking thing.
1934694;1567851970;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 22:00:33 asciilifeform: i'm not about to ask folx to learn it tho ( asciilifeform in fact quite fond of forth, and used extensively. but i also recognize that to most people utterly 'martian' )
1934695;1567852041;mircea_popescu;i dunno why this is obvious for people, but not obvious for concepts. a dead notion, such as "a great language nobody does anything useful in", be it lisp ~called~, forth, whatever the fuck, is just as much a language as harappan.
1934696;1567852136;mircea_popescu;a dude in his 30s without millions (plural) and slavegirls (plural) can have all the "potential" in his own mind / esteemed estimation of his fucktarder & impoverished peers. [http://trilema.com/2019/usta-swingers-club-ul-jozefa-strusia-5-in-warsaw-poland-and-other-things/#footnote_4_87077][not a person]. because that's table antes for personhood, forget about it.
1934697;1567852144;mircea_popescu;and just so, "great lang" that does nothing IS nothing.
1934698;1567852235;mircea_popescu;legends about. and sure, maybe forth is conceptually interesting. but it's not a programming language anymore than any []http://trilema.com/2017/i-think-they-might-be-overdoing-it-in-places/[random impudent dicklet] "opinions" [http://trilema.com/2016/young-educated-urban-anglophone-male/][on things].
1934699;1567852244;mircea_popescu;legends abound*.
1934700;1567852377;mircea_popescu;so -- sure, you like her, dumb as she is, enslave her, make her into something, then we can talk. but, from experience, "enthusiasm" at this "make her into something" soon enough revolves to http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934274 and, if kept silent, http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934487 also in short order.
1934701;1567852377;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 21:41:37 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934003 << this is I think the subcurrent here.
1934702;1567852377;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 02:45:45 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934254 << i think there's so much shame / self-loathing necessarily (and, for that matter, correctly) naturally associated by the mind with leaving here, i dinf it unsurprising dudes leave quietly.
1934703;1567852429;mircea_popescu;which takes us full circle : c is a thing because linux, and for as long as and inasmuch as linux. linux is a thing because apache / webservers. for as long and inasmuch etcetera.
1934704;1567852447;mircea_popescu;forth is not a thing. lisp is not a thing. on in this vein.
1934705;1567852493;mircea_popescu;i don't specifically care if they become things or not -- but i'd much rather not be asked to foot the bill for their becoming. let them do the work themfuckingselves, which is why i say : piggybacking even more stupid shit atop a tower of stupid shit we're allegedly trying to clean up is... well ? it's stupid!
1934706;1567852737;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934319 << not fucking famously. let me show you how famously works, in reality. "mircea popescu had, famously, [http://trilema.com/2016/letters-from-the-stupid-country/][naked] [http://trilema.com/2015/good-morning/][bitches] [http://trilema.com/2013/internet-story/][at his beck and call]". that's ~famous~.
1934707;1567852737;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 22:01:07 asciilifeform: chuck moor had , famously , complete vlsi production plant in iirc 3k loc of forth .
1934708;1567852925;mircea_popescu;chuck moore had ~supposedly~. allegedly. in [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2018-12-19#1882091][that] manner, like danielpbarron has god and like usa has prosperity -- if you don't look too closely.
1934709;1567852925;snsabot;Logged on 2018-12-19 16:01:57 phf: asciilifeform: i have no issues with unfriendliness of your approach or it's secret busting nature. i'm trying different approach, and so far our success is identical in that it's 0. we're at a point where our mutual approaches can benefit, yet you deny me mine, periodically insulting it in creative ways.
1934710;1567852936;mircea_popescu;but i guarantee you if we actually reviewed the matter, it'd turn out to be exactly the same pile of mothridden useless dried out smegma all these other boi-"famous" turds ever turn out to be.
1934711;1567852979;mircea_popescu;chuck moore can be famous when he meets the bar to existence. when you can fucking LINK to the god damned "famous" things.
1934712;1567853021;mircea_popescu;until then, he's just another dicklet, equally capable of fame as any other item, which is to say [http://trilema.com/2014/pro-idiotas-which-obviously-means-people-who-have-ideas-ie-idiots/][precisely 0].
1934713;1567853089;mircea_popescu;chuck fucking max and tucker fucking moore, the famous tards of buried lands.
1934714;1567853178;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934326 << inexplicably remains that you don't.
1934715;1567853178;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 22:05:19 asciilifeform: on e.g. x86, a forth complete enuff that you could comfortably live the rest of your life in it, weighs about 1kB.
1934716;1567853409;mircea_popescu;where the fuck is the "oh, mp, here, forth!" answer when [http://trilema.com/2019/the-state-of-the-vidya-address/?b=the%20best&e=phone#select][one asks] ? what, "oh, but mp, i meant comfortable in the sense of exactly opposite of comfort, because i subscribe to [http://trilema.com/2013/search-and-destroy/?b=Because&e=be#select][imperial nominative conventions], everything's gonna be called the opposite of what it actually
1934717;1567853409;mircea_popescu;is" ?!
1934718;1567853416;mircea_popescu;oh, and is [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log-search?q=republic+os&chan=trilema][this] a search bug, btw ?
1934719;1567853492;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934341 << the iron peh costs, currently, excavating minds from asses.
1934720;1567853492;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 22:09:45 trinque: even as prosthetic, not whole comp
1934721;1567853505;mircea_popescu;once that's done, i expect it'll be expensive but not untouchable. bout same as a house.
1934722;1567856585;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934352 << this, actually, may be the thing that eventually fixes rsa keysizes for us, when we're finally there.
1934723;1567856585;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 22:16:06 asciilifeform: aha. tho presently i doubt that it's physically possible to make a 4096x4096b multiplier converge in <1ns
1934724;1567856653;mircea_popescu;whatever, next Пятиле́тние пла́ны разви́тия наро́дного хозя́йства Союз Советских Социалистических Республик.
1934725;1567856808;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934367 << i am ; and we will.
1934726;1567856809;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 22:22:57 trinque: I wouldn't propose building the thing without first identifying the market.
1934727;1567856817;mircea_popescu;market schmarket, markets are created not identified.
1934728;1567856832;mircea_popescu;what, you think people went to indonesia looking for what europeans might've wanted ?
1934729;1567856863;mircea_popescu;"this is your tea ; your spices ; your golden fruit. eat them, like them, pay $$$ for them so we can turn around and use that to rape your daughters / evict you from your pastures / etc"
1934730;1567856883;mircea_popescu;that's how economy works at the scale here discussed, "and if you don't like it, get ready for valleyforge -- if you got it in you".
1934731;1567856921;mircea_popescu;that's your market identification right there, it's identified : i want to buy the washington monument for pennies. they'll sell it, as they have to, because they're old.
1934732;1567856963;mircea_popescu;mpex seat for ~value of usg "senator" wasn't some kinda idiosyncratic joke. it's how the future works.
1934733;1567856966;mircea_popescu;always has, too.
1934734;1567857045;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934368 << how are these two at odds ?
1934735;1567857045;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 22:24:24 trinque: the republic can't live correctly and expect folks to line up. the world's too far gone. money has to whip around in republic-shaped loops long enough to retrain enough human heads.
1934736;1567857177;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934382 << practical network rates are more in the 1k/s or threabouts, certainly if sustained. 2*18 is not seen even in dedicated interchanges.
1934737;1567857177;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 22:33:53 asciilifeform: a gb nic can theoretically swallow 2**18 512b packets / sec .
1934738;1567857192;mircea_popescu;peering cages see maybe 2**15, and that's the very core of the internet.
1934739;1567857270;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934384 << yet all the good stuff that exists (i mean this in the most absoluely generall sense -- ALL of it) exists cuz we made it for ourselves.
1934740;1567857271;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 22:34:28 trinque: I'd just want to know who we're selling to. ourselves isn't enough
1934741;1567857296;mircea_popescu;the correct decoupling is here : a) make what needs to be made, according to ~US~. nobody asks the fuck shitheads derpingabout anything
1934742;1567857309;mircea_popescu;b) SELL IT to them. forcibly. i do mean, at the point of the sword, rape them with it.
1934743;1567857330;*;mircea_popescu inserts by reference the 5k threads on pizarro, "hey why the fuck aren't you out there pounding the world".
1934744;1567857376;mircea_popescu;who knows, maybe this 5`001st reitreration is how things finally click in the castrated brain. YO! YOU'RE NOT LOOKING FOR FRIENDS! GO FORCE THE IDIOTS TO BUY!
1934745;1567857457;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934393 << quite.
1934746;1567857457;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 22:40:32 asciilifeform: whole thread nearly borders on sin, given as almost anyffin i say on the subj is likely to be catastrophically wrong.
1934747;1567857734;mircea_popescu;in any case, to re-reiterate : go out there and ~make~ them buy. ~MAKE~. "this is the thing, you must buy it". [http://trilema.com/2012/blablalogie-neaosa/?b=trebuie&e=intelegi#select][trebuie sa intelegi ca], what theyr
1934748;1567857777;mircea_popescu;'re used to, what they expect, what they need. what, you think inca makes sense ? inca dun make fucking sense, a competition in sense with inca's fucking nonsense. the competition's in tupeu, and ain't gonna nobody have more of that than us.
1934749;1567857835;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934395 << it always was, dood. just because people don't customarily engage in what he's exactly right to call sinful, by reason of being so premature as to necessarily be doomed to stating idiocy,
1934750;1567857835;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 22:40:58 trinque: I'm just glad to hear it's still on teh conveyor
1934751;1567857847;mircea_popescu;doesn't nevertheless mean it ain't in the plan.
1934752;1567857925;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934398 << quote hanbot ~weekly, "damn, i wish i could draw!!!"
1934753;1567857925;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 22:43:49 trinque: heh, this place needs a cartoonist so bad
1934754;1567857971;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934407 << 0 in asia.
1934755;1567857971;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 22:47:54 asciilifeform: how many even work any moar
1934756;1567858060;diana_coman;hm, I recall some illustrations hanbot made on a trilema article - fwiw I think she can draw actually.
1934757;1567858060;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934408 << was outage before last, [http://trilema.com/2019/the-freenode-issue/][back in march]
1934758;1567858061;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 22:48:16 asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu surveyed, and found that it was some laffably small #
1934759;1567858090;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, yeah, if she ever gets a free minute. which she currentrly does, today, and otherwise last happened... um. pretty sure it was june
1934760;1567858118;diana_coman;ah, that I can fully believe indeed.
1934761;1567858145;mircea_popescu;me sitting around all day playing about takes a lot of fucking work.
1934762;1567860473;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934570 - after a first look, it seems to me that it all depends on the degree to which one cares about "the system"; personally I don't care and don't even want to make the venture "caring" but to know what I'm looking for: are their notions (eg of "degrees") of any interest at all?
1934763;1567860474;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 04:33:10 mircea_popescu: diana_coman, his idea might be good, actually. what's the uk requirements for starting a private college ?
1934764;1567860528;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, my thinking is that if you don't apply for bezzle, then it could perhaps be lightweight, easy to get.
1934765;1567860557;mircea_popescu;the idea is to exploit the socialism poverty hole. all sorta community colleges / 2 year technical colleges in ruralia would take ~anyone, including ~any soccer mom with a degree as a teacher.
1934766;1567860578;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: there are 2 aspects: 1. whether you want to apply for bezzle 2. whether you want "recognised status"
1934767;1567860587;mircea_popescu;could just as well make one of those and make it small but excellent. use it to terribly disturb the statu quo, because it obviously goes against everything they've tacitly agreed upon
1934768;1567860598;mircea_popescu;what's the latter about ?
1934769;1567860624;diana_coman;to cite from gov.uk "if your degree is not from an officially recognised UK university or college, there's no guarantee it'll count when you're looking for a job" ; i.e. whether you are within the system or not, the way I read it.
1934770;1567860646;mircea_popescu;well, if we're not getting that, then we could just make a college by deedbot.
1934771;1567860646;diana_coman;basically: whether one has their stamp; I'd rather NOT have it tbh.
1934772;1567860656;mircea_popescu;then you already have a college ?
1934773;1567860669;diana_coman;pretty much; the only missing bit is a physical building.
1934774;1567860670;mircea_popescu;the idea is to fuck them up, not to politely ignore them.
1934775;1567860688;diana_coman;hm, I can see that point too
1934776;1567860689;mircea_popescu;you ain't getting a physical building without status, though, what sense'd that make ?
1934777;1567860722;diana_coman;I have trouble reasoning in terms of status coming from them, that's where I stumbled
1934778;1567860733;diana_coman;so let me see if I get the idea right:
1934779;1567860783;diana_coman;the point is to be able to give degrees they can't ignore/wave away , for stuff which is ours and as such probably mostly at odds with their ideas?
1934780;1567860921;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, the idea is to have the #1 college in the uk for whatever specialty of your choice simultaneously a) 0 tuition ; b) "we don't take your govt scrip here" ie off their bezzle circuit and
1934781;1567860922;mircea_popescu;c) we don't take your [http://trilema.com/2014/people-us-dollars-are-not-worth-a-fifth-of-a-bitcent-stop-selling/?b=They%20tend&e=collect#select][elder sons]/merit-washed [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933779][eromenoi], fuck off, this is only for nazi kids.
1934782;1567860922;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-05 00:25:44 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in random lulz : [https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Treptow][us citizen] notable enough for ro.wikipedia but "unknown" by en.wikipedia
1934783;1567860962;mircea_popescu;then you get to go to regional teacher's conferences on the strength of "best in the country" but on a platform of "rape and pillage".
1934784;1567860969;mircea_popescu;let them dissonance over it.
1934785;1567861031;mircea_popescu;i expect the uk has bologna mandated standardized testing, yes ?
1934786;1567861042;mircea_popescu;fucking trivial to make a few kids ace those, they're written by bugmen for bugmen.
1934787;1567861131;*;mircea_popescu fully expects the attempt will discover pile of debris muchly similar to http://ossasepia.com/2019/09/02/ossabot-and-its-flask-of-python-27-on-centos-6/ (and not necessarily any happy ending). but -- at least it'd be in writing.
1934788;1567861171;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: the uk has a boatload of various tests and things; not fully aligned (from my current knowledge of the domain, admiteddly limited)
1934789;1567861179;mircea_popescu;sure.
1934790;1567861215;mircea_popescu;still, this is definitely a vulnerable / sore spot in the imperial "clothing for nude emperors" pile.
1934791;1567861224;mircea_popescu;could as well exploit it as not.
1934792;1567861308;diana_coman;I'm at least curious about it for sure; and somehow over the years, no matter where and how I turned around, sooner or later (usually sooner) I *still* end up touching on the educational sector, what can I say more.
1934793;1567861393;diana_coman;so I'll look up further and figure it out re recognised status and all that too.
1934794;1567861486;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934724 - fwiw I think this is actually a reasonably good description - I tend to politely ignore, yes.
1934795;1567861486;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 09:50:36 mircea_popescu: the idea is to fuck them up, not to politely ignore them.
1934796;1567862017;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934740 - possibly also added lolz just because of a. UK's pride and joy in "educational services" b. the whole roar re tuition and funding
1934797;1567862018;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 09:59:41 mircea_popescu: still, this is definitely a vulnerable / sore spot in the imperial "clothing for nude emperors" pile.
1934798;1567862176;feedbot;http://bimbo.club/2019/09/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-april-may-and-june-1714-part-v/ << Bimbo Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of April, May and June, 1714 - Part V.
1934799;1567862798;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, ayup.
1934800;1567862826;mircea_popescu;and you know, if we manage to get this going, it then follows, in-yo-face, angry "your college is wasting your money" billboards, 100% all in scanda.
1934801;1567862829;mircea_popescu;scandal*
1934802;1567862869;mircea_popescu;basically, we've been diligently building vapors over the years. looking for a spark.
1934803;1567862935;diana_coman;I would surely hope so; though you know, seeing how the bac data stuff went with those concerned focusing on "why are you doing this??" and ~nothing else, I wouldn't even be sure of anything.
1934804;1567863013;mircea_popescu;well, surety's for the grave. but anyways.
1934805;1567863022;diana_coman;true.
1934806;1567863023;mircea_popescu;funeriu was pretty boiled back then.
1934807;1567863056;mircea_popescu;aaanyways, uk is dissolved almost entirely, yes 1980s thatcher's uk would have fucking imploded if we did something like this ; whereas 2020s may uk... well... just look at the whole eu debacle, they're a joke.
1934808;1567863065;mircea_popescu;but, what ca you do. i wasn't an adult in the 80s.
1934809;1567863089;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934414 << prolly a baked in fixnum from the days of the ancients no current scriptkiddy can touch. i say this because the identify nick response also 30 seconds.
1934810;1567863090;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 22:50:06 asciilifeform: trinque: i found , when experimented, that [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-31#1932838][you have just about half minute!] to answer their ping
1934811;1567863120;diana_coman;aha.
1934812;1567863252;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934485 << poor alf, prolly been trying to wake up since six hours ago
1934813;1567863253;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 02:23:01 asciilifeform: will comment on mircea_popescu's other observations when wakes up.

1934814;1567864125;hanbot;speaking of http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934455 lulz: wasn't [http://trilema.com/2018/hey-women-did-you-know-that-before-the-pantsuited-hilarity-gave-you-your-civil-rights-you-were-living-in-slavery/][that chick] from the same Evanston, IN mentioned in ye [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934151][oddball spam]?
1934815;1567864125;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 01:24:56 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-29#1931863 << keks, so what, i been talking of harems &c for a decade+, yet peeps been just assuming i'm fantasizing or something ?
1934816;1567864126;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 13:08:32 asciilifeform: meanwhile in [http://trilema.com/2017/the-goodbye-girl/#comment-122849][vintage oddball spam] via mircea_popescu's link.
1934817;1567864165;hanbot;'cause it seems you reliably get exactly the kinda "camp follower" that goes along with girls; some angry old dude comes to trilema like *once*, leaves rambling comment, dissipates back into the biomass.
1934818;1567865024;mircea_popescu;heh
1934819;1567865027;mircea_popescu;that's right isn't it
1934820;1567865710;hanbot;btw, since i have your ear: is the harappan reference a nod to all its extant scripts being very short?
1934821;1567866262;mircea_popescu;yes.
1934822;1567866322;trinque;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934490 << stood up my own paster here, will be using from now on http://paste.deedbot.org/
1934823;1567866323;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 02:50:22 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934268 << ok, so did you also inherit the code/domain etc ? or should i rush through some replacements, eg spyked's imgpaster ? or what here ?
1934824;1567866364;mircea_popescu;http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=0e37bfb7a7e789967a632d01769f79cf << terribru
1934825;1567866375;mircea_popescu;4 chars plox, base64. can't type this shit by hand
1934826;1567866376;trinque;whatcha want
1934827;1567866379;trinque;k
1934828;1567866381;mircea_popescu;ty
1934829;1567866399;mircea_popescu;also what's the bash snippet to write to it ?
1934830;1567866405;mircea_popescu;previous one was... hm, /me digs logs
1934831;1567866421;trinque;I'll stick it on the page here in a bit, gonna snag coffee and be back
1934832;1567866497;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-02-03#1892065 there
1934833;1567866500;snsabot;Logged on 2019-02-03 12:27:29 mircea_popescu: in other news, mp's own bash grenadiers regiment suggests an ad interim solution for http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-02#1891951 in the shape of ls | grep ^x..$' | while read line; do curl -Ls -o /dev/null -w %{url_effective} -X POST -F "pastebox=@$line" http://p.bvulpes.com -w %{url_effective}; done
1934834;1567866717;*;asciilifeform wakes up, eats backbreaker l0gz..
1934835;1567867040;mircea_popescu;epic day huh
1934836;1567868770;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934436 << the american generals of '50s had somewhat similar concept, 'ooda loop'
1934837;1567868771;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 00:55:08 mircea_popescu: call that P. meanwhile output, or productivity, is expressed as a different scalar, call it W.
1934838;1567868889;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934457 << in orig q i was thinking 'does this personage correspond to a wot key', prolly oughta have said concretely. ( if mircea_popescu had revealed the chix's human name, this would not have meant anyffin to asciilifeform et al )
1934839;1567868889;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 01:28:50 mircea_popescu: anyway, biosacks only need names if they're about to log here. both hanbot an' nicoleci are on, and so far what you lot wanna use them for is rather punching bags, from experience, so i don't see the urgency in naming anyone else.
1934840;1567868944;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934474 << but, lol, actual mircea_popescu never says anyffin of the kind -- always gives concrete barf when finds bug. so why then.
1934841;1567868944;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 02:01:04 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934257 << there's a lot of cvasi-effort/idle pullulation  in the wanna-be cloud sharply directed at "being mp on the cheap". he figures he'll be cool if he says that, which is why he does.
1934842;1567869017;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934477 << archaeological find. manufacturer was 1 of the 2 castles where sovok built nukes , accelerators, related hardware.
1934843;1567869018;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 02:04:22 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934252 << lol what is this, fallout the rl game ?
1934844;1567869074;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934490 << also relevantly, if ben is down w/out being rebootable, mod6 needs a new co-chair in tbf
1934845;1567869075;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 02:50:22 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934268 << ok, so did you also inherit the code/domain etc ? or should i rush through some replacements, eg spyked's imgpaster ? or what here ?
1934846;1567869146;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934537 << this is troo, could cache search pgs at the current rate and not fill disk in 100y
1934847;1567869148;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 03:51:59 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934288 << you're not thinking this through. what's a page, <100kb ? what's the daily output, 100 of these ? you're comitting to 10mb / day thereby ? ie a hour's blockchain ? this too much to ask for the republic ?
1934848;1567869239;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934607 << interesting idea, but plox to give detailed spec, i suspect no one can bake based on the 3ln given
1934849;1567869240;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 04:57:27 mircea_popescu: the line where it was mentioned as text and the url to the logotron ; and c) deploys this to pizarro box (should be getting one presently i'm understanding) -- this step will also include putting a trilema clone in there (i'll provide the mp-wp install/db dumb, all that's needed is a mysql glue such that local myql server slaves trilema.com mysql server ; i intend to make a one line edit to the forms, such that
1934850;1567869251;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934613 << why ty.
1934851;1567869251;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 05:01:18 mircea_popescu: thinks asciilifeform should also get something ; though it's unclear how exactly to figure this out. but -- lacking a better idea, i guess he can have 10% of the winning bid in royalties and we see.

1934852;1567869283;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934617 << i dun have a serious output for that q yet, will come back to it .
1934853;1567869283;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 05:14:04 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934312 << how did you counht ? to reiterate the http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934257 point.
1934854;1567869342;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934642 << if it's to live, gotta cement it into trinque's collection, yes
1934855;1567869342;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 06:48:09 mircea_popescu: should i put a copy up somewhere so "oh, same as python" wank can continue on actual basis ?
1934856;1567869374;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934643 << forth will be ~5~ decades next yr.
1934857;1567869375;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 07:10:00 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934318 << nevermind "martian". the table ante for this discussion is "perfectly functioning webserver with two decades history of the same". if it dun have that, it's not a fucking thing.
1934858;1567869485;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934647 << thing has install base that dwarfs apache. ( it's in the bootloader of erry single sgi, sun, even crapple box sold to date; in 1e6 pieces of embedded equip., and whole buncha 'unsexy' irons, from mains transformers, burglar alarms, etc., possibly even in yer mercedes. )
1934859;1567869485;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 07:12:55 mircea_popescu: and just so, "great lang" that does nothing IS nothing.
1934860;1567869508;asciilifeform;doesn't figure prominently in opensores liquishit -- is tru
1934861;1567869544;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934654 << if you dun see sumthing with naked eye, dun mean it aint there.
1934862;1567869545;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 07:17:58 mircea_popescu: forth is not a thing. lisp is not a thing. on in this vein.
1934863;1567869588;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934655 << appeal of forth is that there ~aint~ a 'tower'. i.e. can stand up all the compiler you need in coupla 100 bytes.
1934864;1567869588;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 07:18:44 mircea_popescu: i don't specifically care if they become things or not -- but i'd much rather not be asked to foot the bill for their becoming. let them do the work themfuckingselves, which is why i say : piggybacking even more stupid shit atop a tower of stupid shit we're allegedly trying to clean up is... well ? it's stupid!
1934865;1567869680;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934661 >> e.g. http://www.greenarraychips.com/ . or the fact that his book was translated and printed in run of 1e6 even in sovok. but i expect 'not famous enuff' to mircea_popescu , cuz aint in his personal kit ? or wat.
1934866;1567869681;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 07:26:50 mircea_popescu: chuck moore can be famous when he meets the bar to existence. when you can fucking LINK to the god damned "famous" things.
1934867;1567869780;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934664 << i also haven't learned hieroglyphs and moved to pekin. doesn't mean that couldn't, or at some point won't come to it.
1934868;1567869780;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 07:30:09 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934326 << inexplicably remains that you don't.
1934869;1567869818;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934668 << this is serious bugola. i'ma take a look.
1934870;1567869818;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 07:34:07 mircea_popescu: oh, and is [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log-search?q=republic+os&chan=trilema][this] a search bug, btw ?
1934871;1567869938;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934686 << yer figure is unrealistically pessimistic, 1k * 512b == 512kB/s . there indeed is overhead in nic etc, but udp packets can be received at very close to rated capacity of pipe.
1934872;1567869939;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 08:36:48 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934382 << practical network rates are more in the 1k/s or threabouts, certainly if sustained. 2*18 is not seen even in dedicated interchanges.
1934873;1567870186;asciilifeform;the orig q was re line rate of nic. but even the modest piz pipe , 200Mbit/s , is good for ~50k 512B packets / sec , when otherwise unloaded.
1934874;1567870491;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934677 << this is entirely troo ( recall the infamous ibm derp's 'there is a world market for perhaps 6 computers' ? )
1934875;1567870492;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 08:30:48 mircea_popescu: market schmarket, markets are created not identified.
1934876;1567870695;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934692 << the tricky bit is that to sell sumthing, it gotta exist 1st. ( granted various hucksters manage to 'sell' thin air, but this is outside the scope imho )
1934877;1567870696;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 08:39:00 mircea_popescu: b) SELL IT to them. forcibly. i do mean, at the point of the sword, rape them with it.
1934878;1567870813;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934699 << in the orig. '17 thread re 'make cpu', mircea_popescu made the observation 'the sticker prices have 3 or 4 extra zeros on'em', i.e. pointless to even ask the q before we have penetration into the asian snakepits where iron is actually baked. without such, we're stuck looking at the chump ratecards.
1934879;1567870814;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 08:47:46 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934395 << it always was, dood. just because people don't customarily engage in what he's exactly right to call sinful, by reason of being so premature as to necessarily be doomed to stating idiocy,
1934880;1567870961;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934772 << neato, trinque . plz consider to genesis the thing, so can have multiple redundant pastetrons, as with logger
1934881;1567870961;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 11:09:14 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934490 << stood up my own paster here, will be using from now on http://paste.deedbot.org/
1934882;1567870984;*;asciilifeform finally swallowed log
1934883;1567871331;*;lobbes is about to begin second pass of log... 
1934884;1567871715;billymg;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1933994 << completely true, and i agree with asciilifeform, i'm a fan of The Tar Pit's theme (i'm also partial to trinque's theme)
1934885;1567871715;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 04:37:22 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933694 <-- ftr, I'm pretty sure that the same coat can be applied to mp-wp without much effort. so if e.g. billymg is interested, I can provide him with everything he needs; tho the blog is online already, not especially difficult to see how the webpage is structured.
1934886;1567871750;asciilifeform;re forth -- it's cemented in ANSI X3.215 (1994--current) (1st in 1980!), ISO/IEC 15145 (1997--current) . rather like ada, dead tree standard. and quite unlike e.g. python, php. ( and unlike cl , is actually possible to program in the lang as specified in the standard. )
1934887;1567871822;billymg;without going into too much detail my current mp-wp roadmap is: 1) finish writing tests, 2) mass delete cruft/unnecessary "features", 3) formalize a republican theme (or a few themes)
1934888;1567871886;billymg;though perhaps some of 2 can be done, then 3, then back to more 2
1934889;1567871903;asciilifeform;( 'peh', fwiw, is NOT a standard-compliant forth, i committed quite deliberately war crimes against the classical standard in order to make the parser as simple as physically possible, to make all operators weigh 1 or 2 chars )
1934890;1567871993;*;asciilifeform bbl:teatime
1934891;1567872506;mircea_popescu;https://oi.uchicago.edu//research/publications/assyrian-dictionary-oriental-institute-university-chicago-cad << in other ways to spend lots of money, how about 20 volumes worth of dictionaries of proto-hebrew
1934892;1567872541;mircea_popescu;nfi what anyone;d do with a lang that requires a literal meter of shelf for the dict ; nor do i know many people who ever read twenty english dictionaries. but there it is nevertheless.
1934893;1567872552;mircea_popescu;go forth an' complain about ruby nao :D
1934894;1567872579;mircea_popescu;(not fluff, either, 500page folio backbreakers)
1934895;1567872740;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934794 << honestly i think the whole foundaton thing needs restructuring ; current structure failed repeated treboot attempts and does not look even theoretically rebootable.
1934896;1567872741;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 11:55:06 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934490 << also relevantly, if ben is down w/out being rebootable, mod6 needs a new co-chair in tbf
1934897;1567872785;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934798 << how about i answer concrete qs ? that's pretty much all i know how to say atm.
1934898;1567872786;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 11:57:51 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934607 << interesting idea, but plox to give detailed spec, i suspect no one can bake based on the 3ln given
1934899;1567872825;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934804 << well, but cement which ? last 4 main branch ?
1934900;1567872825;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 11:59:34 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934642 << if it's to live, gotta cement it into trinque's collection, yes
1934901;1567872885;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934808 << was not discussing forth ; was discussing the actual item you applied the "famously" to, namely "complete vlsi production plant in iirc 3k loc of forth".
1934902;1567872885;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 12:01:57 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934647 << thing has install base that dwarfs apache. ( it's in the bootloader of erry single sgi, sun, even crapple box sold to date; in 1e6 pieces of embedded equip., and whole buncha 'unsexy' irons, from mains transformers, burglar alarms, etc., possibly even in yer mercedes. )
1934903;1567872898;mircea_popescu;~that~. specifically.
1934904;1567872944;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934815 << cuz where is the allegedly famous 3k lines of forth making complete vlsi plant.
1934905;1567872944;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 12:05:12 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934661 >> e.g. http://www.greenarraychips.com/ . or the fact that his book was translated and printed in run of 1e6 even in sovok. but i expect 'not famous enuff' to mircea_popescu , cuz aint in his personal kit ? or wat.
1934906;1567872974;mircea_popescu;i tried chuckmoore.com/famous-3k-lines-forth-making-complete-vlsi-plant, found not. taking suggestions for improved method.
1934907;1567873056;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934821 << not irl. large packet flow is, you'll perhaps discover, one of the most "oversold" ie fraudulently misrepresented items in nature. much like the city comes put faucets into yur house but you can't run them 24/7, except ^8.
1934908;1567873057;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 12:09:30 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934686 << yer figure is unrealistically pessimistic, 1k * 512b == 512kB/s . there indeed is overhead in nic etc, but udp packets can be received at very close to rated capacity of pipe.
1934909;1567873078;mircea_popescu;isp will throw fit if you're even within 1% of 1% of this theoretical maximum, rated capacity.
1934910;1567873099;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: [https://archive.is/G1ggS][there]
1934911;1567873101;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934823 << again, not irl. and i don't even advise trying this out
1934912;1567873102;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 12:13:38 asciilifeform: the orig q was re line rate of nic. but even the modest piz pipe , 200Mbit/s , is good for ~50k 512B packets / sec , when otherwise unloaded.
1934913;1567873117;*;asciilifeform still not fully quaffed tea, brb 
1934914;1567873147;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, umm... that's a ~description~.
1934915;1567873151;mircea_popescu;i mean the 3k lines of forth ?
1934916;1567873176;mircea_popescu;again -- http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934656 INCLUDES THE ITEMS. not a story of the items. ~THE~ items.
1934917;1567873176;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 07:22:48 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934319 << not fucking famously. let me show you how famously works, in reality. "mircea popescu had, famously, [http://trilema.com/2016/letters-from-the-stupid-country/][naked] [http://trilema.com/2015/good-morning/][bitches] [http://trilema.com/2013/internet-story/][at his beck and call]". that's ~famous~.
1934918;1567873182;mircea_popescu;can't be famous on stories.
1934919;1567873249;mircea_popescu;you understand this ? http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institutions-a-guide/ contains ~THE ACTUAL EMAISL~. with the dumb bitches' name. and http://trilema.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-i/ inclkudes ~the actual filings~. not "a summary", not some fucking whisperings.
1934920;1567873272;mircea_popescu;which is why i'm famous for being tyhe guy that sent the irs packing / tore fetlife a new one. cuz ~it is actually there~. concretely.
1934921;1567873278;mircea_popescu;why the fuck's this not connecting ?
1934922;1567873356;mircea_popescu;he can be respected, if you're looking fo rsomething. "chuck moore is respected [by alf] for having written 3k lines of forth capable of making chips".
1934923;1567873369;mircea_popescu;when he actually does something, he can also be famous. but so far...
1934924;1567873418;mircea_popescu;doesn't strike me as that unreasonable a standard ; but if it is -- fuck reason, i'm married to this standard before and beyond any fucking reason (not to mention -- before any sort of reason inkled in young mp's skull). so if something between this standard and reason
1934925;1567873426;mircea_popescu;'s gotta go -- i have 0 problem choosing.
1934926;1567875920;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: half of this is fair cut. moor does in fact sell chip ( and incidentally comes, unlike ~errything else on market, with full datashit ). but afaik the full src of the cad system was not published, to date. ( it's how he eats. ) so comes down to matter of heuristic, 'does exist, or is charlatan ?' based on d00d's work to date, and the published material re 'greenarray' product on sale, i'm inclined to say 'exists, worx
1934927;1567875920;asciilifeform;as described'. but cannot put the src in mircea_popescu's nose to prove point.
1934928;1567875939;asciilifeform;fwiw i suspect the fella would be here if he weren't 90 y.o.
1934929;1567876123;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934857 << why do you suppose piz pipe, 200Mb/s costs ~1k$/mo , while in timis 1Gb/s advertised at 10 $ ? the industrial pipe can, and in fact does (lately) run at ~100% capacity for weeks on end. which is not to say that there aint scam providers which will try to throttle a customer to less than he paid. simply, piz did not suffer the misfortune of sitting under any such.
1934930;1567876124;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 13:01:29 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934821 << not irl. large packet flow is, you'll perhaps discover, one of the most "oversold" ie fraudulently misrepresented items in nature. much like the city comes put faucets into yur house but you can't run them 24/7, except ^8.
1934931;1567876156;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934859 << calculate, for own satisfaction, what rate packets when you download e.g. http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/static/log_db.gz .
1934932;1567876157;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 13:01:50 mircea_popescu: isp will throw fit if you're even within 1% of 1% of this theoretical maximum, rated capacity.
1934933;1567876438;asciilifeform;hmm apparently i was wrong re 'okad'. [http://unternet.net/src/clusterFix/][appears to be a circa-2012 snapshot]. nao if i had the free hands to try an' run !
1934934;1567876482;asciilifeform;poor chuck moor, apparently too sclerotic to link from own www...
1934935;1567876532;asciilifeform;^ item appears to boot as own os, on pc.
1934936;1567876597;asciilifeform;iirc 1 of the meanwhile vanished folx ( mats? ) actually bought a 'greenarrays' board. hey mats, are you alive ? what happened to this?
1934937;1567876598;diana_coman;asciilifeform: what's your history with forth anyway because now I'm totally confused: are you actually using it? for what? why not? or uhm, how come it popped up now but not before?
1934938;1567876653;asciilifeform;diana_coman: my only current use is 'peh', which is based on it. in previous times used hand-sewn forths in embedded boxen.
1934939;1567876672;diana_coman;so why only this limited use?
1934940;1567876796;asciilifeform;diana_coman: asciilifeform is originally a lisp crackpot, rather than forth crackpot. forth is arguably 'polar opposite' , there is no gc, or 'raw ast' syntax, in fact no syntax in the familiar sense ( since you've studied 'peh' this summary oughta make sense. ) so best summary would be, i dun ~like~ forth, simply keep coming back to it because it appears to be the only known solution point in the domain space of 'most physically-com
1934941;1567876796;asciilifeform;pact possible programming system on von neumann iron'
1934942;1567876899;diana_coman;asciilifeform: since I can't say I know *what* you like, that part is not very clear to me: what is it that you don't like about it?
1934943;1567876955;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, still not famous. marginalyl maybe not charlatan, if you say so, sure.
1934944;1567876967;asciilifeform;diana_coman: primarily -- the intrinsic difficulty of reading. reader is stuck parsing out the ast using bare hands. it is possible to make the work easier, and [http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/tapes/primorial.peh][i tried e.g. here] . but remains painful for most folx.
1934945;1567876981;mircea_popescu;retrospecitvely we were never right to date when extended such credit. every single of doznes of cases turned out to be... not what "presumably"
1934946;1567876990;mircea_popescu;but that is also a matter of heuristic
1934947;1567877078;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i aint about to try to persuade mircea_popescu to buy 1e6 'greenarray' or moor's cad etc. but i'm ~satisfied that it ~exists~ and worx as described, atm.
1934948;1567877103;asciilifeform;( may in fact be the only non-winblows vlsi system currently in use , even. )
1934949;1567877130;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934887 << it pops up periodically when he's feeling melancholy, "oh, this spherical battleship that submerges & floats, coulda etc". but when pushed, not lives in because not gone to pekin and also http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933662 etc
1934950;1567877131;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 14:00:31 diana_coman: asciilifeform: what's your history with forth anyway because now I'm totally confused: are you actually using it? for what? why not? or uhm, how come it popped up now but not before?
1934951;1567877131;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-04 11:18:52 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933632 << i'ma move from emacs to 21st c. lispm. or, to grave. tertium non datur.
1934952;1567877134;mircea_popescu;it's complicated, being an alf.
1934953;1567877142;asciilifeform;what i wish i could do, is to catch moor and hang him upside down and connect to 220v, and get him to confess how he got vlsi fabbed w/out the 'mandatory' winblows mask liquishit.
1934954;1567877148;asciilifeform;but 'if wishes were horses...'(tm)(r)
1934955;1567877160;mircea_popescu;he last did this back when symbolics was a thing.
1934956;1567877178;mircea_popescu;not last week, not last year, not last decade. long long ago
1934957;1567877192;mircea_popescu;in a practically useless way for entirely irrelevant by now purposes etc.
1934958;1567877197;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lol 1994
1934959;1567877216;mircea_popescu;a ok. ONLY five five year plans ago
1934960;1567877286;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i spent ~decade e.g. knowing about ada but avoiding cuz 'dun like'. it was stupid.
1934961;1567877296;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934889 << for the obvious fucking reason! rocker goes to mountain, "oh, i wish i could live here" "really bitch ? and what about tp ?" "oh, i'd use leaves!!!" after a week of wiping ass on pine cones... ready to grumbingly but grudgingly hit the first walmart
1934962;1567877296;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 14:01:44 diana_coman: so why only this limited use?
1934963;1567877324;diana_coman;bwahahaha & poor pine cones.
1934964;1567877327;asciilifeform;sometimes the 'dun like' item is the only working tool known, to the point that if you try to redesign it from scratch, will end up with ~same thing but moar inept.
1934965;1567877330;mircea_popescu;no but it's so PURE!!!
1934966;1567877332;mircea_popescu;and SIMPLE!
1934967;1567877372;asciilifeform;as mircea_popescu knows full well, nuffin is 'simple' on pc. but there's degrees of bulk.
1934968;1567877373;mircea_popescu;"yes, mutha, and PAINFUL!" "oh we dont' [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934445][talk about that] in this fantasyworld"
1934969;1567877373;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 01:04:05 mircea_popescu: there's further implications ; but, to fit the point back to narrow interest : saying [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934007][the tools are already there] is not even stupid, it's entirely besides the point. the only effectual question is, "has the lowest possible P in theory been actually realised in practice".
1934970;1567877427;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, i have no objection to making the future tmsr iron run forth, as things stnad right now.
1934971;1567877457;mircea_popescu;still doesn't make chuck moore's putative 1990s vlsi-er anything other than php. because what did it do, 15 cells ? o noes, centimetre process ? HARDWORK
1934972;1567877469;asciilifeform;possibly i did an epicly inept job in this thread. but was trying to say 'i dun like forth -- but may be condemned to it by The Essences(tm)(r)'
1934973;1567877503;*;mircea_popescu could probably write a better router than whatever the fuck that was in bash
1934974;1567877506;diana_coman;asciilifeform: but exactly because of http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934910 I just can't get the idea of "don't like" when asked re forth
1934975;1567877507;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 14:27:33 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i spent ~decade e.g. knowing about ada but avoiding cuz 'dun like'. it was stupid.
1934976;1567877508;mircea_popescu;BY EMPLOYING LOOKUP TABLES
1934977;1567877543;asciilifeform;if tomorrow mircea_popescu orders 'boot me up pc in asm into sumthing i can send packets from' it'll be in a forth.
1934978;1567877549;diana_coman;obviously and proven the "don't like" is not good so ...
1934979;1567877622;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i can't speak for erryone, but found that ~whole of education consists in swallowing 'not likes' and ~then~ thinking. rather than how kid comes from cradle, 'i dun like, won't think'
1934980;1567877635;mircea_popescu;nothing wrong with that!
1934981;1567877655;mircea_popescu;the extent of my lambasting was re dead bones fame, no more. i'm not impugning random lang here.
1934982;1567877767;diana_coman;asciilifeform: since you state it, I'm sure it's precisely that for you; and fwiw I'm sure you are not the only one in this either.
1934983;1567877804;asciilifeform;i recall when 1st time picked up a 30kg sledge hammer. 'uhh how do people work with this.' after day or 2 of driving in stakes, felt entirely ordinary.
1934984;1567877831;asciilifeform;e.g. ada was ~identical experience.
1934985;1567878010;asciilifeform;speaking of hammers,
1934986;1567878013;*;asciilifeform bbl:meat chores
1934987;1567879369;mircea_popescu;i'd have expected that be "speaking of [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2016-04-01#1443610][stakes]"
1934988;1567879371;snsabot;Logged on 2016-04-01 12:23:55 asciilifeform: is on the spin cycle of the day's stake, when the barbs come out
1934989;1567879532;mircea_popescu;and speaking of false religions and extremely popular delusions : 𒆪𒋾𒀀𒂍𒈗𒊏
1934990;1567879570;mircea_popescu;that's a name, in cuneiform, of a sort of akkadian lenin in the assyrian empire. he butchered the previous royal fambly and greatly improved the efficiency of the bureaucracy.
1934991;1567879612;mircea_popescu;the name, however, translates as "my faith is in the son of the eshara". that'd be ashur, of course.
1934992;1567879659;mircea_popescu;the only problem with this very specifically identycal jesus of the pre-xtian sectarian disturbances in the assyrian empire is that... well ? guy lived 8th century BEFORE the supposed appearance of... the son of
1934993;1567879690;mircea_popescu;exact same formalisms, it was like a sorta joke / toast, in the akkadia of 3000 years ago, "oh, son of god herpy derp"
1934994;1567881038;lobbes;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934609 << ftr I am seriously considering bidding on this, but first I want to be clear on if I am understanding correctly all portions of the ask. I'll bake a post tonight breaking this down / asking smart questions for clarity
1934995;1567881039;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 04:59:13 mircea_popescu: !Xbuy 100mn 144 item as described in http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934605 and following.
1934996;1567881042;lobbes;first though, I'm still [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934431][log spelunking] re: bot reconnect. Namely what is taking me so long here is that I went to check apache access log (to rule out a ddos) only to discover... it ain't logging anymore! I suspect I nuked a crucial module somewhere when I was trying to get the proxy stuff working
1934997;1567881043;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 00:26:53 lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934071 << about to head to bed, but tomorrow morning I'm gonna do some deep log spelunking and investigating and report findings in a blog post.
1934998;1567881921;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/09/all-seal-team-7-leaders-purged-by-us-navy-brass/ << Qntra -- All SEAL Team 7 Leaders Purged By US Navy Brass
1934999;1567881939;*;BingoBoingo eats megalog and presents COLOR REVOLUTION BLUE
1935000;1567883921;mircea_popescu;lobbes, works.
1935001;1567883947;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo, lulzy shit.
1935002;1567884157;BingoBoingo;Lots of lulzy shit recently
1935003;1567884245;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile in local bus ads https://i.redd.it/r0teqcu5f7l31.jpg
1935004;1567885030;BingoBoingo;And in the lulziest of local lulz https://www.montevideo.com.uy/Noticias/Un-militar-profugo-condenado-por-Plan-Condor-hizo-un-tramite-para-cobrar-jubilacion-uc729212
1935005;1567885059;BingoBoingo;"En este sentido, dijo que los militares no tienen la obligación de saber sobre qué personas rigen órdenes de detención, por lo que puede ser entendible que no se haya detenido al momento del trámite, "la que sí tiene conocimiento de esto es la Policía"."
1935006;1567886341;mircea_popescu;vos ? da fuck is this familiarity.
1935007;1567886361;trinque;http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=ud5L << bada boom
1935008;1567886400;trinque;thinking of turning this into a little wp plugin. useful?
1935009;1567886400;mircea_popescu;http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=k_KE << heh
1935010;1567886406;mircea_popescu;useful.
1935011;1567886452;mircea_popescu;could it just be alphanum tho. no point doing _ etc
1935012;1567886478;mircea_popescu;37^4 = 1874161, no way anyone's doing 2mn pastes/week
1935013;1567886499;trinque;sure, that works. I just reached for base64 as per last thread
1935014;1567886552;trinque;if we give utterly not a shit re: enumerability, can be serial int
1935015;1567886738;mircea_popescu;we do give.
1935016;1567886765;trinque;alrighty
1935017;1567886772;mircea_popescu;previous set had 5 digits. i was thinking of saving the typing... but are you saying 2mn too narrow, ennumerable ?
1935018;1567887140;trinque;I'd have to stress test the thing to say, but response time over here is about a half second. ignoring parallelism 172800 req per day (assuming pastes expire after 24hr)
1935019;1567890394;lobbes;iirc previous paste-o-tron expired 'em after a week
1935020;1567890657;trinque;> Purges pastes older than a week every twenty four hours.
1935021;1567890659;trinque;you are correct
1935022;1567892159;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934492 - asciilifeform , as far as I see, there's a bug at setting the time_last_conn at a reconnection, hence the wrong result of uptime; irc() method is missing the "global time_last_conn" when it sets the value so the set is lost.
1935023;1567892159;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 03:06:30 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934178 - did not test but apparently bot tested it so I'll have at least one data point to look at when I get to it.
1935024;1567892255;diana_coman;as to *what* caused the reconnect, I can't say I know exactly: the bot's log duly reports a "listen socket error, disconnecting", followed by the expected reconnect but I can't see / don't know where to look, possibly for anything more informative.
1935025;1567892421;diana_coman;in any case, atm the bot's uptime command will in fact report "time since last run of the bot" rather than since last connection
1935026;1567892562;diana_coman;since it was quiet otherwise anyway, I made the change and restarted ossabot so I'll see the effect @ next socket error, I suppose
1935027;1567893298;lobbes;diana_coman: this was what I found too re: logs (listen socket error). Paste for reference: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=2qou
1935028;1567893894;lobbes;I'll make the change on my end as well re: the time_last_conn (ty for the info diana_coman)
1935029;1567893976;lobbes;I also am not sure what caused the reconnect (hence my tangent into the apache logs). However I finally got my access logs working again so I'll have those available the next time it disconnects at least
1935030;1567894108;lobbes;(ftr, the cause of my apache access logs not functioning was indeed that I nuked a module in my attempts to get proxying working. Specifically, I nuked the "mod_log_config" and "mod_logio".. oy)
1935031;1567900472;lobbes;!!up ericbot
1935032;1567900473;deedbot;ericbot voiced for 30 minutes.
1935033;1567900479;lobbes;!e uptime
1935034;1567900479;ericbot;lobbes: time since my last reconnect : 0d 0h 1m
1935035;1567900702;lobbes;ok, I've got diana_coman's fix applied and have also synced my logs across all chans
1935036;1567900705;lobbes;e.g. [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934984][my #t log's 1934984] = [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934984][alf's] and so on
1935037;1567900706;ericbot;Logged on 2019-09-07 23:55:22 ericbot: lobbes: time since my last reconnect : 0d 0h 1m
1935038;1567900706;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 20:38:33 ericbot: lobbes: time since my last reconnect : 0d 0h 1m
1935039;1567900763;lobbes;the "raw dump" knob works splendidly btw! was as simple as deleting from loglines table by index and eating where not synced
1935040;1567900813;lobbes;I'm off to eat some food, then make a "standing up a logotron" guide from compiled notes
1935041;1567913967;feedbot;http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/09/logsericbenevidescom-is-born-compiled-notes-on-the-cloning-process/ << lobbesblog -- logs....com is born: compiled notes on the cloning process
1935042;1567916008;asciilifeform;lobbes: http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/09/logsericbenevidescom-is-born-compiled-notes-on-the-cloning-process/#comment-83
1935043;1567916033;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934939 << i tried 3 terminals, none rendered this, had to boot a crapple, lol
1935044;1567916034;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 14:49:25 mircea_popescu: and speaking of false religions and extremely popular delusions : 𒆪𒋾𒀀𒂍𒈗𒊏
1935045;1567916067;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934972 << canhaz patch plox ?
1935046;1567916067;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 18:19:52 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934492 - asciilifeform , as far as I see, there's a bug at setting the time_last_conn at a reconnection, hence the wrong result of uptime; irc() method is missing the "global time_last_conn" when it sets the value so the set is lost.
1935047;1567916068;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 03:06:30 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934178 - did not test but apparently bot tested it so I'll have at least one data point to look at when I get to it.
1935048;1567916154;asciilifeform;lobbes: otherwise a+++ cookbook, ty for writing.
1935049;1567916217;asciilifeform;lobbes: btw dumps from 10.3 eat on 9.x w/out modification, you did not need to comment anything. (it will spit warnings but harmless. tested.)
1935050;1567916287;asciilifeform;lobbes: the max dump line limit is configurable. ( and i'ma turn the knob on mine if anyone finds the '500' inconvenient. plox to write in. )
1935051;1567916294;lobbes;ty. and interesting. Perhaps I just jumped the gun on that.
1935052;1567916306;lobbes;re: the database dump, that is
1935053;1567916342;lobbes;as for the vpatching, I wonder if it makes sense to just "lump them all in" with the quoted search patch?
1935054;1567916366;lobbes;if not, I have no issue with making a vpatch for the various fixes in that guide
1935055;1567916368;asciilifeform;lobbes: there's 0 reason to 'wait for $nextpatch'. just turn errata into vpatches, folx
1935056;1567916373;asciilifeform;i'ma read, sign, mirror.
1935057;1567916382;lobbes;roger that. I'll gets to patchin'
1935058;1567916383;asciilifeform;lobbes: pleez do
1935059;1567916385;asciilifeform;ty.
1935060;1567916513;asciilifeform;this goes also for if anyone finds cure for e.g. [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934668][this] . and anyffin else.
1935061;1567916516;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 07:34:07 mircea_popescu: oh, and is [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log-search?q=republic+os&chan=trilema][this] a search bug, btw ?
1935062;1567919970;feedbot;http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/09/uptimefix_bye_cachekvvpatch/ << lobbesblog -- upti...atch
1935063;1567920018;lobbes;asciilifeform: annd patched ^
1935064;1567920169;lobbes;never did get to baking that post on [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934944][mircea_popescu's ask]... (I blame apache). Will have to tackle that in the morning. Until then, off to sleep!
1935065;1567920223;lobbes;oh incidentally, can ericbot be added to the autovoice list?
1935066;1567927758;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934968 << alright, i'm sold, make the id 5 chars. erryone's just gonna have to type the extra char and that's that. alphanum tho, no symbols.
1935067;1567927758;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 16:56:13 trinque: I'd have to stress test the thing to say, but response time over here is about a half second. ignoring parallelism 172800 req per day (assuming pastes expire after 24hr)
1935068;1567927803;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934972 << o wait, so his bot thinks its up forever no matter what ? neat :D
1935069;1567927803;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 18:19:52 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934492 - asciilifeform , as far as I see, there's a bug at setting the time_last_conn at a reconnection, hence the wrong result of uptime; irc() method is missing the "global time_last_conn" when it sets the value so the set is lost.
1935070;1567927803;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 03:06:30 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934178 - did not test but apparently bot tested it so I'll have at least one data point to look at when I get to it.
1935071;1567927862;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934985 << cool, but also vpatch plox.
1935072;1567927862;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 20:42:16 lobbes: ok, I've got diana_coman's fix applied and have also synced my logs across all chans
1935073;1567928126;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-08#1934993 << that's nothing ; the fucking idiots put all the ~2k or so known (and quite possibly not even linguistic) harappan decorations into the unicode. inexplicably, they're ~proud~ of having done this : https://web.archive.org/web/20170306041359/https://www.mohenjodaroonline.net/index.php/indus-script
1935074;1567928127;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-08 00:57:48 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934939 << i tried 3 terminals, none rendered this, had to boot a crapple, lol
1935075;1567928152;mircea_popescu;the two "excited" imbeciles in question long vanished ; their "exciting" website's gone. but the radiation damage... it remains.
1935076;1567928229;mircea_popescu;"language engineers" Amar Fayaz Buriro and Shabir Kumbhar my foot. they're execrable, odious shitmongers fit only to anchor participate in baboon gangrapes for the rest of their offensive lives.
1935077;1567928400;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-08#1935015 << let's do that then!
1935078;1567928401;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-08 02:07:38 lobbes: oh incidentally, can ericbot be added to the autovoice list?
1935079;1567936053;mircea_popescu;hm, nosuchlabs unreachable again
1935080;1567937494;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/a-catagraphy-or-the-remains-of-a-bathroom/ << Trilema -- A catagraphy, or the remains of a bathroom
1935081;1567946447;mircea_popescu;hm, somehow the log seems sparse this morning.
1935082;1567946486;mircea_popescu;what, no thousands upon thousands of words in a deluge, transforming a pleasant morning into a mad rush to ingest novel after referenced novel ?! just eat like normal people, looking out the window ?!
1935083;1567946535;diana_coman;lol! suspiciously quiet, or what?
1935084;1567946592;diana_coman;on my part, I'm deluging #o at least.
1935085;1567952532;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-08#1935018 << disconnects still appear in bot log . hate to disappoint.
1935086;1567952533;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-08 04:13:58 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934972 << o wait, so his bot thinks its up forever no matter what ? neat :D
1935087;1567952592;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-08#1935029 << anyone else have problems reaching this box ? ( so far only mircea_popescu )
1935088;1567952592;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-08 06:31:30 mircea_popescu: hm, nosuchlabs unreachable again
1935089;1567952619;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: when saw this, no ping ? or only no www ? how long and approx when ?
1935090;1567952636;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, it's weird, 50-100s outages, resolve spontaneously
1935091;1567952644;mircea_popescu;can't say it's clear to me it's the box specifically.
1935092;1567952659;mircea_popescu;but stone cold, no ping no nothing.
1935093;1567952674;asciilifeform;at same time other piz boxes answered ?
1935094;1567952683;mircea_popescu;didn't think to check.
1935095;1567952687;asciilifeform;if not tested , next time plz test
1935096;1567952692;asciilifeform;ty mircea_popescu
1935097;1567952760;mircea_popescu;kk
1935098;1567953044;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-08#1935012 << ty lobbes , will eat this today.
1935099;1567953044;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-08 02:03:25 feedbot: http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/09/uptimefix_bye_cachekvvpatch/ << lobbesblog -- upti...atch
1935100;1567953117;asciilifeform;i vaguely suspected btw that all the major bugs in bot would be found in disconnect handling. piz pipe is so stable that not seen naturally-occurring disconnect yet...
1935101;1567953911;diana_coman;hi Mocky
1935102;1567959387;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: looked for evidence of outages, but on neither dulap or own console , found any yet ( no disconnects of bot ; nor drop of shell from dulap to own chair, it's been standing for month+ )
1935103;1567959421;mircea_popescu;must be internet weather i guess
1935104;1567959457;asciilifeform;possibly. if anyone else notices similar effect to mircea_popescu's, plox to write in. preferably with 'where/when/duration' .
1935105;1567959514;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: thinking about it, it is possible that you 'got lucky' and caught the phuctor backup interval.
1935106;1567959596;asciilifeform;( in which -- db slows ; requests -- queue ; bot continues to operate )
1935107;1567959950;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in actually good browser games, http://mighty-party.com/play.html?redeem=JILLYO
1935108;1567963294;asciilifeform;achtung lobbes , diana_coman , et al : [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3452][logotron www updated], nao includes latest lobbes & diana_coman contrib. errata fix . and link to new cookbook by the former.
1935109;1567963314;asciilifeform;+ sigs for the patch, incl. asciilifeform's .
1935110;1567963757;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-08#1935023 << >> http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-15#1928981
1935111;1567963758;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-08 04:19:22 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-08#1934993 << that's nothing ; the fucking idiots put all the ~2k or so known (and quite possibly not even linguistic) harappan decorations into the unicode. inexplicably, they're ~proud~ of having done this : https://web.archive.org/web/20170306041359/https://www.mohenjodaroonline.net/index.php/indus-script
1935112;1567963758;snsabot;Logged on 2019-08-15 21:23:52 asciilifeform: 'I mean literally, the guy's from Washitistan, they write things with their own excrement there, and the Unicode Foundation introduced actual excrement in the standard so now whenever someone asks for the networking code in your project they are delivered physical faeces on cardboard. About fifty eight acres of it. Where would you like this put, sir ?' (tm)(r)(mp)
1935113;1567963870;*;asciilifeform wonders how long before unitardation reaches the [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2017-07-15#1684293][magick threshold when would be moar economical to simply encode bitmap of glyph]
1935114;1567963872;snsabot;Logged on 2017-07-15 12:48:59 asciilifeform: they wanna say 妓 -- let'em be stuck saying 32 bytes (16x16 bit matrix, more than enough for any hierohorror) rather than 2 bytes !!!
1935115;1567968745;BingoBoingo;In local lulz: https://www.montevideo.com.uy/Noticias/Mujica-y-otros-lideres-de-izquierda-denuncian-utilizacion-politica-de-la-justicia-uc729281
1935116;1567971970;BingoBoingo;!Xbuy 123mn 31 1209 Wired Filthy Fiats, WU is fine but not preferred
1935117;1567971970;auctionbot;Buy order # 1058 created by BingoBoingo: 1209 Wired Filthy Fiats, WU is fine but not preferred Opening: 123mn ecu Ending: 2019-09-09 14:57:31.502705 UTC (30 hours)
1935118;1567973562;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/09/mit-media-lab-haunted-by-epstein/ << Qntra -- MIT Media Lab Haunted By Epstein
1935119;1567973858;auctionbot;Buy order # 1058: 1209 Wired Filthy Fiats, WU is fine but not preferred Heard: 123mn from bvt. Ending: 2019-09-09 14:57:31.502705 UTC (30 hours 28 mins)
1935120;1567981701;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: meanwhile, upgraded torture room w/ proper drill press , & rivet machine.
1935121;1567982401;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: ty for the update
1935122;1567984097;mircea_popescu;auctionbot starting to get a list huh!
1935123;1567984427;mircea_popescu;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/lWOzm/?raw=true << in other lulz : new trilema select scheme fucked up spammers' trackback spinning mechanism.
1935124;1567984622;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo, http://trilema.com/2010/dupa-dave-winer-citire/ << ito.
1935125;1567984741;mircea_popescu;cnet meanwhile fucked the link i gave them. of fucking course
1935126;1567984742;mircea_popescu;morons
1935127;1567984787;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: ty, link added
1935128;1567986613;lobbes;looks like ericbot didn't survive netsplit. Had to manually re-cycle it
1935129;1567986709;lobbes;holy shit. it filled up nsabot.log too (2.4GB!!)
1935130;1567986952;lobbes;here's the snippit of the bot logs for these logs >> http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=CAX0
1935131;1567986972;lobbes;very odd that just that bot had a netsplit and no one else
1935132;1567987414;mircea_popescu;lobbes, the reconnection code is buggy. should create new socket rather than try to reuse old one.
1935133;1567987419;mircea_popescu;afaik this can't be done.
1935134;1567987453;mircea_popescu;patch it so it releases the file descriptor and reconnects properly.
1935135;1567987672;lobbes;roger that. I'll take a dive into the code and see if I can figure out the socket related bits
1935136;1567992014;asciilifeform;wait mircea_popescu , why can't be done ? seems like simple fix ( tho in my simplistic 'run on lappy & yank nic cord' reconnect test, never saw the state that lobbes discovered, so never implemented 'make new socket' )
1935137;1567992109;asciilifeform;seems like all you need is to move ' sock = socket.socket(socket.AF_INET, socket.SOCK_STREAM) ' into 'connect()' .
1935138;1567992135;*;asciilifeform would try, but does not know how to reproduce lobbes's boojum
1935139;1567992195;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-08#1935080 << seems like finally lobbes photographed that legendary ufo, the 'socket alive, but wedged tcp' state.
1935140;1567992196;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-08 20:39:51 lobbes: here's the snippit of the bot logs for these logs >> http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=CAX0
1935141;1567992273;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-08#1935079 << prolly would not be bad idea to introduce log constrictor of some form (or using trinque's old method)
1935142;1567992274;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-08 20:35:48 lobbes: holy shit. it filled up nsabot.log too (2.4GB!!)
1935143;1567992330;*;asciilifeform thinks 'at last, somebody finally exposed the horrid fleanode edge cases'
1935144;1567992410;asciilifeform;oh lobbes , prolly oughta have set SO_REUSEADDR also. loox like i did not
1935145;1567992446;asciilifeform;( then in principle dun gotta make new. but oughta test. nao q , how to reproduce wedged sockets, other than by playing fleanode lotto ? )
1935146;1567992562;asciilifeform;lobbes et al : another item i neglected to add, but really oughta have, is to log the actual ip of where connects. so can actually get some ~useful data re individual fleanode endpoints.
1935147;1567992596;asciilifeform;!q uptime
1935148;1567992597;snsabot;asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 23d 11h 50m
1935149;1567992609;asciilifeform;204.225.96.251 (via netstat) ftr .
1935150;1567992719;asciilifeform;( #5, it seems , in fleanode's current rotator )
1935151;1567992825;asciilifeform;for thread-completeness : [http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/fzJdP/?raw=true][nsabot.log] of current run.
1935152;1567996727;feedbot;http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/09/the-mp-wp-bot-job-offer/ << lobbesblog -- The mp-wp bot job offer
1935153;1567996793;lobbes;^^ mircea_popescu for your perusal
1935154;1567996858;lobbes;asciilifeform: yeah, I also have no idea how to properly test the thing.. except wait for the right fleanode weather to come by
1935155;1567996901;lobbes;I'll look into that socket stuff you mentioned though. Ty
1935156;1567998322;lobbes;!Xbid 1057 100mn
1935157;1567998322;auctionbot;Buy order # 1057: item as described in http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934605 and following. Heard: 100mn from lobbes. Ending: 2019-09-12 20:26:41.479316 UTC (101 hours 9 mins)
1935158;1567998323;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 04:57:27 mircea_popescu: so : who would like to do a spot of work for hire for me ? the ideea is to write and publish as a vpatch a stan logbot extension which a) processes search, through talking to a [presumably present] mysql server, and spitting out the results (formatted as in http://trilema.com/2019/
1935159;1568013140;diana_coman;lobbes: there's something weird with your loggger's treatment of ctcp lines, compare http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934613 with http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934613 and http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934613
1935160;1568013141;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 05:16:52 mircea_popescu: thinks asciilifeform should also get something ; though it's unclear how exactly to figure this out. but -- lacking a better idea, i guess he can have 10% of the winning bid in royalties and we see.

1935161;1568013141;ericbot;Logged on 2019-09-07 09:01:18 mircea_popescu;thinks: asciilifeform should also get something ; though it's unclear how exactly to figure this out. but -- lacking a better idea, i guess he can have 10% of the winning bid in royalties and we see.

1935162;1568013141;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 05:01:18 mircea_popescu: thinks asciilifeform should also get something ; though it's unclear how exactly to figure this out. but -- lacking a better idea, i guess he can have 10% of the winning bid in royalties and we see.

1935163;1568013144;*;mircea_popescu shall peruse forthwith
1935164;1568013234;diana_coman;lobbes: kept meaning to ask - how do you pronounce your surname?
1935165;1568013920;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-08#1935086 << because the descriptors are maintained by the kernel not the userspace.
1935166;1568013920;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-08 22:04:14 asciilifeform: wait mircea_popescu , why can't be done ? seems like simple fix ( tho in my simplistic 'run on lappy & yank nic cord' reconnect test, never saw the state that lobbes discovered, so never implemented 'make new socket' )
1935167;1568014353;mircea_popescu;and sure, you didn't implement. but you're ~supposed~ to implement.
1935168;1568014394;mircea_popescu;otherwise it's "in all my driving i never had to back up, so... never put a reverse setting for the gearbox in"
1935169;1568014538;mircea_popescu;though i grant, sock = socket.socket(socket. is such promising lingo as to utterly recommend python for african studies.
1935170;1568014937;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-08#1935079 << the joys of python!!11
1935171;1568014938;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-08 20:35:48 lobbes: holy shit. it filled up nsabot.log too (2.4GB!!)
1935172;1568015073;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-08#1935095 << log in as root, close the program's socket whileit's running.
1935173;1568015074;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-08 22:11:25 asciilifeform: ( then in principle dun gotta make new. but oughta test. nao q , how to reproduce wedged sockets, other than by playing fleanode lotto ? )
1935174;1568015168;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-08#1935096 << yes. esp if were going to immediately turn around ask everyone to run one, this "my one and only tru sole solitary i mate for life" approach is unfit.
1935175;1568015169;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-08 22:13:22 asciilifeform: lobbes et al : another item i neglected to add, but really oughta have, is to log the actual ip of where connects. so can actually get some ~useful data re individual fleanode endpoints.
1935176;1568015231;mircea_popescu;(and yes, depondopopotamosity is parasitosis on knightly dedication, this tendency to "pick ONE great ruler and follow HIM")
1935177;1568015462;mircea_popescu;dependopopotamosity*
1935178;1568016684;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935112 << looks like stray regexp
1935179;1568016685;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-09 03:56:22 ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-07 09:01:18 mircea_popescu;thinks: asciilifeform should also get something ; though it's unclear how exactly to figure this out. but -- lacking a better idea, i guess he can have 10% of the winning bid in royalties and we see.

1935180;1568018237;*;mircea_popescu is actually excited at how well things are progressing, once we got rid of the dead weight.
1935181;1568018268;mircea_popescu;imagine, all this flurry of exciting new development could have been occuring in 2017, if i had the sense to kick phf out on his rear in 2017, rather than let him sit his dumb ass on us for two years.
1935182;1568018280;mircea_popescu;tolerance ~never~ fucking pays.
1935183;1568018285;mircea_popescu;it seems like ti will. it never does.
1935184;1568018450;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935128 - yes and probably reader-side ie not bot itself.
1935185;1568018450;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-09 05:11:01 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935112 << looks like stray regexp
1935186;1568018450;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-09 03:56:22 ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-07 09:01:18 mircea_popescu;thinks: asciilifeform should also get something ; though it's unclear how exactly to figure this out. but -- lacking a better idea, i guess he can have 10% of the winning bid in royalties and we see.

1935187;1568018458;mircea_popescu;all sorta chuck moores, "famous" and apparently ever so good and useful, just WAITING for you to give them a chance to strangle you.
1935188;1568018837;diana_coman;hm, bimbo.club does not have the b&e selection mechanism set? I tried http://bimbo.club/2019/09/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-april-may-and-june-1714-part-v/?b=Circassians&e=Asiaticks and it's not working
1935189;1568018846;mircea_popescu;yo nicole!
1935190;1568018944;diana_coman;this chapter of transactions reads like great fun anyway, what with "procuring smallpox" and asia-ticks
1935191;1568018960;mircea_popescu;o she did a new transcription ?
1935192;1568018973;mircea_popescu;look at that. cool.
1935193;1568019074;diana_coman;aha, very nice.
1935194;1568022697;diana_coman;oh hi nicoleci
1935195;1568022854;diana_coman;!!up nicoleci
1935196;1568022855;deedbot;nicoleci voiced for 30 minutes.
1935197;1568023053;nicoleci;helllo, diana_coman
1935198;1568023227;nicoleci;diana_coman, unfortunately i do not have selections set yet
1935199;1568023253;feedbot;http://ave1.org/2019/off-the-road-again/ << ave1 -- Off the road again
1935200;1568023306;nicoleci;glad you liked the article. the medical transcriptions are especially interesting/gross
1935201;1568023329;diana_coman;nicoleci: do you need help with setting the selections up?
1935202;1568023380;diana_coman;and yeah, this one has some gems in it; I think my favourite is "Some more quicksighted, imagin'd these two children were, as useless shades sent to Charon by any means that could be made use of."
1935203;1568023975;nicoleci;diana_coman, yes i definitely can use some help
1935204;1568023985;nicoleci;lol great line
1935205;1568024110;diana_coman;nicoleci: where are you stuck with the steps in http://trilema.com/2019/proper-html-linking-the-crisis-the-solution-the-resolution-conclusion/ ?
1935206;1568024251;diana_coman;!!up nicoleci
1935207;1568024252;deedbot;nicoleci voiced for 30 minutes.
1935208;1568025002;nicoleci;diana_coman, currently im having issues accessing the shell. this may be a BingoBoingo question. i'll provide a better answer as to which step im stuck on when i get inside.
1935209;1568025182;diana_coman;nicoleci: ok, but he'll prolly need the concrete barf/how it fails to help you out anyway.
1935210;1568025324;diana_coman;nicoleci: alternatively for the functions.php iirc you should be able to edit it from the blog's dashboard too, there's and Edit option in there too.
1935211;1568025338;diana_coman;but you still need the shell for the .htaccess changes, yes.
1935212;1568025392;*;diana_coman will bbl
1935213;1568029434;mircea_popescu;ahaha check out the bug :
1935214;1568029445;mircea_popescu;if you're !!up'd and then self-voice... deedbot will devoice you ?
1935215;1568030252;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: iirc this has been noted before/it's been around for quite a while, yes (though I thought it was fixed at some point); but I don't think she self-voiced at all.
1935216;1568030551;mircea_popescu;well there's a * deedbot gives voice to nicoleci you prolly msiread as "removes voice" ?
1935217;1568030614;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: ah, you are right; yes, I misread it as -v
1935218;1568030631;diana_coman;pfff, didn't mean to trigger the bug on her, lol; sorry, nicoleci
1935219;1568030661;mircea_popescu;:p
1935220;1568037697;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935114 << the "bene" is exactly how you'd think. The "vides" is actually "veedees". I usually tell people it 'rhymes with "diabetes"'
1935221;1568037697;ericbot;Logged on 2019-09-09 07:14:41 diana_coman: lobbes: kept meaning to ask - how do you pronounce your surname?
1935222;1568037701;lobbes;It is Portuguese, though (as Mocky can attest) if you look at me all you'll see is anglo
1935223;1568037706;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935134 << I'll take a gander into that weird. Ty for the heads up
1935224;1568037707;ericbot;Logged on 2019-09-09 08:41:36 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935128 - yes and probably reader-side ie not bot itself.
1935225;1568037707;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-09 05:11:01 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935112 << looks like stray regexp
1935226;1568037707;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-09 03:56:22 ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-07 09:01:18 mircea_popescu;thinks: asciilifeform should also get something ; though it's unclear how exactly to figure this out. but -- lacking a better idea, i guess he can have 10% of the winning bid in royalties and we see.

1935227;1568037746;lobbes;I'm off to mines, bbl
1935228;1568038771;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935170 - heh, so my reading of it was actually right (latin-based since I couldn't think of any valid English-based reading of it).
1935229;1568038771;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-09 11:01:15 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935114 << the "bene" is exactly how you'd think. The "vides" is actually "veedees". I usually tell people it 'rhymes with "diabetes"'
1935230;1568038772;ericbot;Logged on 2019-09-09 07:14:41 diana_coman: lobbes: kept meaning to ask - how do you pronounce your surname?
1935231;1568040276;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935112 << lobbes what didja do to reader.py ?
1935232;1568040276;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-09 03:56:22 ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-07 09:01:18 mircea_popescu;thinks: asciilifeform should also get something ; though it's unclear how exactly to figure this out. but -- lacking a better idea, i guess he can have 10% of the winning bid in royalties and we see.

1935233;1568040300;asciilifeform;( the 1 in lobbes's latest vpatch is proper )
1935234;1568040338;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935115 << is why needs >> http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-08#1935094
1935235;1568040340;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-09 04:09:21 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-08#1935086 << because the descriptors are maintained by the kernel not the userspace.
1935236;1568040340;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-08 22:10:50 asciilifeform: oh lobbes , prolly oughta have set SO_REUSEADDR also. loox like i did not
1935237;1568040406;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935119 << this is a deeper africanism than mircea_popescu suspects , and sadly not even limited to pythonisms. it comes from when hands grow out of arses, and folx write libs where the namespaces cannot be mixed, so yer stuck lib_a.foo lib_b.foo , cuz can't import a + b . seen it in adaisms , cl, elsewhere.
1935238;1568040407;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-09 04:19:39 mircea_popescu: though i grant, sock = socket.socket(socket. is such promising lingo as to utterly recommend python for african studies.
1935239;1568040476;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935124 << dunno re the other folx , but mine is set to 'lotto' atm, it uses fleanode's rotator. which is arguably unseemly, but i dun have a 'list of working fleanodes' atm. would like to obtain one. hence 'let's log ip'
1935240;1568040477;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-09 04:30:09 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-08#1935096 << yes. esp if were going to immediately turn around ask everyone to run one, this "my one and only tru sole solitary i mate for life" approach is unfit.
1935241;1568040555;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935131 << for what in '17 ? for writing a working logger ? next, wat, will kick out trinque , so can have 'flurry of exciting, new development' of deedbot ?!
1935242;1568040555;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-09 05:21:49 mircea_popescu: imagine, all this flurry of exciting new development could have been occuring in 2017, if i had the sense to kick phf out on his rear in 2017, rather than let him sit his dumb ass on us for two years.
1935243;1568040840;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935132 << this logic is appealing on surface, but recall that stalin ended up retrieving half-dead korolev, tupolev, et al, from gulag, when failed to find the imagined 'we dun have any irreplaceables here'(tm)(r) replacements .
1935244;1568040840;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-09 05:22:02 mircea_popescu: tolerance ~never~ fucking pays.
1935245;1568040858;mircea_popescu;sure.
1935246;1568040887;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935137 << i gotta ask, what did the old astronomer do to mircea_popescu , to become this example ?
1935247;1568040887;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-09 05:25:00 mircea_popescu: all sorta chuck moores, "famous" and apparently ever so good and useful, just WAITING for you to give them a chance to strangle you.
1935248;1568040903;mircea_popescu;not in wot.
1935249;1568040930;asciilifeform;i'ma be quite surprised the day a 90yo d00d joins the wot
1935250;1568040949;asciilifeform;( or is this a 'vina batranilor' thing ? )
1935251;1568040957;mircea_popescu;hey. this is why it sucks being old.
1935252;1568040976;mircea_popescu;what, you thought it's an idle thing ? it isn't. being old means shit'll happen, you'll fail to follow and end up the example.
1935253;1568040990;asciilifeform;sorta what means 'old' neh
1935254;1568040998;mircea_popescu;quite, yes.
1935255;1568041005;diana_coman;what I can't quite get in all this is why is asciilifeform fighting mircea_popescu's leucocite-qualities so much and at every occasion?
1935256;1568041023;asciilifeform;diana_coman: if nuffing counterposes leukocyte -- get leucosys.
1935257;1568041033;mircea_popescu;right ? nobody welcomes cancer
1935258;1568041079;asciilifeform;diana_coman: 'ratchet must ratchet, so spring -- must spring'(tm)(r)(mp)
1935259;1568041111;diana_coman;asciilifeform: does it seem to you there's danger of "nothing counterposes leukocyte"? because uhm, I can't quite see it.
1935260;1568041138;asciilifeform;[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wDESvyj1qo][vintage illustration] .
1935261;1568041392;*;mircea_popescu deeply regrets having spent the earlier 2010s in a "oh, stallman, famous"
1935262;1568041402;mircea_popescu;just another dickpuppet, forget about it.
1935263;1568041412;mircea_popescu;problem aren't all the tupolevs in gulag
1935264;1568041417;asciilifeform;sometimes 'famous' like titanic.
1935265;1568041421;mircea_popescu;problem are all the escaped puppets running about.
1935266;1568041434;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, titanic ACTUALLY sunk. didn't "write home tall tale of sunk"
1935267;1568041443;mircea_popescu;not even munchausen. he ACTUALLY lied.
1935268;1568041449;asciilifeform;stallmanism sank similarly
1935269;1568041450;mircea_popescu;he didn't lie about one day maybe lieing
1935270;1568041467;asciilifeform;( long before lied )
1935271;1568041537;asciilifeform;fwiw i'm not even convinced that the 'human mushroom' lied in the customary sense -- but instead, fungus, i.e. passed off what his bob becks gave him, as fact.
1935272;1568041541;mircea_popescu;utter anal child argumentation, this, "oh,  ispent years doing nothing because ANY MINUTE now"
1935273;1568041578;mircea_popescu;can stretch that "any minuite" cheese into two fucking years, and whenever you put a limti o nit, "oh, you fucked them up, they were just about to"
1935274;1568041591;mircea_popescu;i hope to god they were just about to take a large bite out of a steel girder at high speed.
1935275;1568041658;mircea_popescu;needless to say, i am deeply unimpressed with "promising", "famous" and the whole rest of the fucking cohort of fiatardation.
1935276;1568041685;mircea_popescu;so -- yeah, hang all the promising adult-children by their guts wrapped around their ballsac, and see what you can do with the rest.
1935277;1568041707;mircea_popescu;stalin reference's not even wrong, afaik this was the historica conclusion of lenin-trotsky.
1935278;1568041717;asciilifeform;this algo does require a > 0 'the rest' tho.
1935279;1568041725;mircea_popescu;requires nothing.
1935280;1568041738;mircea_popescu;it'll solve all the world's problems regardless : either through zeroing, or else through solving.
1935281;1568041750;asciilifeform;paging minister poincare
1935282;1568041777;mircea_popescu;as i tell the slavegirls "when they most need my support", "do or fucking die ; and i don't particularly care which the fuck it is."
1935283;1568041875;asciilifeform;sometimes ends with 'das war ein befehl!!!1'(tm)
1935284;1568041885;mircea_popescu;eh, i had all the pies i wanted anyways.
1935285;1568041916;*;asciilifeform would like another pie or 2
1935286;1568041922;mircea_popescu;hop to!
1935287;1568041949;*;asciilifeform relatedly, brb, tea/pie time
1935288;1568042042;mircea_popescu;get 'em while they're hot
1935289;1568045542;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in 'wildmen attempt to tmsr' strange : '[https://archive.is/Rd7eJ#selection-2979.0-2979.270][Tauthon] is a backwards-compatible fork of the Python 2.7.16 interpreter with new syntax, builtins, and libraries backported from Python 3.x. Python code and C-extensions targeting Python 2.7 or below are expected to run unmodified on Tauthon and produce the same output.'
1935290;1568045680;mircea_popescu;heh
1935291;1568045726;asciilifeform;( for what are needed these 'new syntax, ...' -- aside from 'embrace & extinguish'(tm) -- remains a mystery to asciilifeform )
1935292;1568045766;asciilifeform;'dun use python3, use our trotsky.python3!111'
1935293;1568045780;mircea_popescu;nfi. maybe ask them
1935294;1568045972;diana_coman;asciilifeform: they have a [https://archive.is/51fmj][Why Python 2.8] post if you care.
1935295;1568045982;asciilifeform;diana_coman: was just aboutta link.
1935296;1568046004;asciilifeform;diana_coman: just nao read it, and lost what little appetite had
1935297;1568046043;diana_coman;eh, that's pretty much the ~only sort of pies actually available :p
1935298;1568046052;mircea_popescu;cowpie!
1935299;1568046068;asciilifeform;most pies on planet3 -- in fact out of cow.
1935300;1568049815;BingoBoingo;!Qlater tell nicoleci let me know what troubles you are having with your attempts to enter the shell. Also make sure you specify the right port.
1935301;1568049816;lobbesbot;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
1935302;1568050446;BingoBoingo;Here they make these nice little hand pies from the cow. Gotta reserve the pies baked in cow to feed the fields.
1935303;1568054023;bvt;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934465 - from the point of view of achieving perfection  - it definitely should be included. From the practical point of view -- noone would notice.
1935304;1568054024;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 01:42:14 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934219 << ok, but that's still no reason not to include it, you know ?
1935305;1568054046;bvt;asciilifeform: the links to diana's sigs in your logotron post are wrong: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=aYq7
1935306;1568054062;asciilifeform;ty bvt , will fix
1935307;1568054202;mircea_popescu;tru
1935308;1568054289;asciilifeform;meanwhile [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-09#1001751][ asciilifeform attempts to teach a short vtronics lecture in diana_coman's school while diana_coman slept ] .
1935309;1568054289;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-09 13:53:35 asciilifeform: shrysr: i wrote it, and am willing to answer whatever q re how it worx
1935310;1568054301;asciilifeform;( whether succeeded -- do not know yet. )
1935311;1568055539;asciilifeform;bvt: fixed!! and ty for the eagle eye.
1935312;1568055650;bvt;ty; i wanted to download them via wget on remote machine, discovered bunch of .sig.1 files
1935313;1568056160;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935258 - thank you! not at all a bad thing to have happening while I'm away, lol.
1935314;1568056161;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-09 15:37:48 asciilifeform: meanwhile [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-09#1001751][ asciilifeform attempts to teach a short vtronics lecture in diana_coman's school while diana_coman slept ] .
1935315;1568056161;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-09 13:53:35 asciilifeform: shrysr: i wrote it, and am willing to answer whatever q re how it worx
1935316;1568056227;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i generally dun like to 'bring own vows to other's monastery' but wanted to try giving the fella sumthing to chew on. [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-09#1001802][possibly is good idea] .
1935317;1568056227;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-09 15:15:46 shrysr: have to bbl >>> this is getting more interesting by min though.

1935318;1568056435;diana_coman;eh, he needs to start chewing, not like there isn't *what*; but yes, I see what you mean.
1935319;1568056600;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i actually dun know when/how precisely the fella tuned in. but will hazard a guess that it was because he had spark of 'hmm, these folx have working gears'. so i suspect best result with him might be to pour some kerosene on that fire. 'motivation from interest' is 9000x bigger fire than 'motivation from needs-to'.
1935320;1568056688;diana_coman;eh
1935321;1568056921;asciilifeform;diana_coman: admittedly asciilifeform is not any kind of star pedagogue. but from own schooling, i found much moar memorable the lessons where 'and this is btw is also the tamper equation in hbomb!' than 'you Need To ... for exam!'
1935322;1568057065;diana_coman;asciilifeform: for one thing it depends *whose* exam; for the other, the focus wasn't on "exam", no (doubt anyone would even "tune in" for... exam,lol); but anyway: another dose doesn't hurt, no.
1935323;1568059422;bvt;asciilifeform: re SO_REUSEADDR - i don't see how it is applicable: as i understand errno 106=EISCONN the kernel believes that the socket is still connected (perhaps socket.timeout case in send()?); so if you proceed to connect without closing it, you'd get double connect on the same socket; and SO_REUSEADDR does not protect against this: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=Zd3l
1935324;1568059483;asciilifeform;bvt: i still do not know whether socket 'was not closed, but wedged' somehow (in which case proggy oughta be made such as to find out, and close asap) or in fact closed but on acct of the idjit zombie-by-default thing, not reusable
1935325;1568059521;asciilifeform;bvt: how didja generate the item seen in the paste ?
1935326;1568059585;asciilifeform;as i currently understand, if one were to 1) SO_REUSEADDR + 2) force it closed before attempting any connect -- oughta cure
1935327;1568059922;asciilifeform;also wtf, 'double connect on same socket', why the everliving fuck is this even a thing.
1935328;1568059980;asciilifeform;what was the 'logic' inside the 'heads' that thought this to be permissible ?
1935329;1568059993;mircea_popescu;it's in php.
1935330;1568060028;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if the tcp stack per se is retarded in this way, i expect it is also in cobol , fortran, etc, how not.
1935331;1568060463;bvt;asciilifeform: i think closing would necessary (not done right now, as i can see); re proggy - nothing complicated http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=4XUj (merged two for convenience, so fd num will be different)
1935332;1568061302;asciilifeform;aa.
1935333;1568061501;asciilifeform;i still dun grasp why os's tcp stack doesn't liquidate a socket known to be stone dead. but this i suppose is a q for the original perpetrators , when they're connected to 220v
1935334;1568064207;mircea_popescu;prolly because they don't know how to do that without creating a race condition with the time-outs involved in knowing it's stone dead.
1935335;1568064400;asciilifeform;possib
1935336;1568071733;lobbes;[http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/09/the-mp-wp-bot-job-offer/#comment-92][ty for answering my Q's; and I've responded]
1935337;1568071773;lobbes;err, meant to prepend above line with a " mircea_popescu: "
1935338;1568071780;lobbes;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935178 << you are among the very few who pronounce it correctly then! Most assume it is Spanish and pronounce the end bit like the end of "Rodriguez" (actually, it was a good way to screen for telemarketers back when I answered unknown phone numbers)
1935339;1568071780;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-09 11:03:33 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935170 - heh, so my reading of it was actually right (latin-based since I couldn't think of any valid English-based reading of it).
1935340;1568071781;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-09 11:01:15 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935114 << the "bene" is exactly how you'd think. The "vides" is actually "veedees". I usually tell people it 'rhymes with "diabetes"'
1935341;1568071781;ericbot;Logged on 2019-09-09 07:14:41 diana_coman: lobbes: kept meaning to ask - how do you pronounce your surname?
1935342;1568071789;lobbes;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935183 << this gives me some piece of mind, at least. Gonna do some digging tonight after f00d intake. Odd mystery
1935343;1568071789;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-09 11:29:03 asciilifeform: ( the 1 in lobbes's latest vpatch is proper )
1935344;1568071820;lobbes;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935281 << bvt, would you be able to produce the vpatch? I would, but a) my knowledge of tcp stack / kernels / etc. is pretty much nil and b) I'm gearing up to focus 100% on mircea_popescu's latest mp-wp bot ask if I end up winning this auction.
1935345;1568071821;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-09 17:05:07 bvt: asciilifeform: i think closing would necessary (not done right now, as i can see); re proggy - nothing complicated http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=4XUj (merged two for convenience, so fd num will be different)
1935346;1568071841;lobbes;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935283 << lmao. Another great addition to the [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934398][queue] imo
1935347;1568071842;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-09 17:22:25 asciilifeform: i still dun grasp why os's tcp stack doesn't liquidate a socket known to be stone dead. but this i suppose is a q for the original perpetrators , when they're connected to 220v
1935348;1568071842;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 22:43:49 trinque: heh, this place needs a cartoonist so bad
1935349;1568080287;lobbes;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935134 << interesting. Looks like it is incorrect in the database itself. So something is either happening on bot snarf side, or on import of dumps side. In any case, bot will be offline for a second while I bring it up in a test channel
1935350;1568080287;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-09 05:40:26 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935128 - yes and probably reader-side ie not bot itself.
1935351;1568081258;lobbes;mmkay. Confirmed: not reader.py nor bot.py at fault. Observe this new line from test chan ate and shat perfectly: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema-lobbes/2019-09-10#1000006
1935352;1568081259;ericbot;Logged on 2019-09-10 01:59:08 lobbes: action line

1935353;1568081513;lobbes;problem most likely in either teh eat_dump.py or the 'raw logs' output.
1935354;1568081518;lobbes;I recently had to eat #t lines where index > 1933778 in order to sync, and sure enough here's query [http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=kvxe][where > 1933778] vs [http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=LGc1][< 1933778]
1935355;1568082603;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/09/massachusetts-mayor-busted-for-extorting-bud-dealers-seeking-legality/ << Qntra -- Massachusetts Mayor Busted For Extorting Bud Dealers Seeking Legality
1935356;1568083153;lobbes;those pothead portuguese are at it again I see
1935357;1568083358;BingoBoingo;lol, I expect to see more of these sorts of stories. Especially out of Illinois in the future.
1935358;1568083598;auctionbot;Buy order # 1058 has ENDED: 1209 Wired Filthy Fiats, WU is fine but not preferred SOLD by bvt for 123mn ecu. Attn: BingoBoingo
1935359;1568083846;lobbes;alright, I've solved the "action line weirdness mystery". The following paste displays two action lines from different sources: one from the output of the znc2tsmr logconverter, and one from the output of the "raw log" dump: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=k0qz
1935360;1568083851;lobbes;Note how the raw log dump pads the nick on the right with an extra ';' versus the logconverter does not
1935361;1568084005;lobbes;I'm willing to patch one or the other (should be a quick fix). Now... the question is which one? The converter, the raw-dumper, or should the eat_dump.py be able to handle BOTH formats?
1935362;1568084029;lobbes;I'll leave this question for tomorrow night. I can pick it back up then
1935363;1568084042;lobbes;BingoBoingo: did Illinois also legalize teh pot recently?
1935364;1568084098;BingoBoingo;lobbes: They did, it isn't implemented yet, and it's already looking like a scammy ball of lulz.
1935365;1568084292;BingoBoingo;7 million people and only a couple dozen licenses with official 6 figure USD price tags. No grow at home without a special medical permit. But with FATCA, KYC/AML/OMGWTFBBQ the whole bribery thing in a place that has seen consecutive governors go to jail... Surely it's under control...
1935366;1568084676;BingoBoingo;It also has some "economic justice" provisions that are supposed to affirmative action some "minority owned" businesses into viability
1935367;1568084698;lobbes;lol. of course!
1935368;1568084769;lobbes;man, the wash-each-other's-laundry-economy indeed
1935369;1568085163;BingoBoingo;Well, at the Home Depot there was plenty of opportunity to meet minority entrepreneurs getting in early and without bothering about getting right with fiat.
1935370;1568085463;lobbes;ha, I didn't even think of that. Those stores are probably the first stop for many aspiring to that industry huh
1935371;1568085709;BingoBoingo;A good tip off is if they fill their truck up repeatedly with "Kellog's garden soil" on Black Friday.
1935372;1568086024;BingoBoingo;Never mind that by volume peat moss and perlite which make a superior potting mix together are cheaper than the dubiously branded and mostly uncomposted wood fiber labeled as "Kellog's garden soil"
1935373;1568086659;lobbes;lol "just doin' some christmas gardening. family tradition"
1935374;1568086887;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: meanwhile afaik the closest Official herb shop here is in bmore; but at the same time the exhaust gas is errywhere, from ~erry window in the evening when walking, even out of cars stopped at lights.
1935375;1568086949;asciilifeform;gone are the days when aficionados would stuff towels under doors to conserve the precious smoak
1935376;1568087127;BingoBoingo;Probably more exhaust gas there than here. Kids smoke in front of the mall. They rarely seem to smoke in most of the parks lest the campers ask for a hit to surely be followed by intensifed requests for "una moneda para comer algo"
1935377;1568087232;BingoBoingo;This'll probably change again once it warms up and the Brasileros come out of their holes.
1935378;1568087472;*;asciilifeform has nfi whether the locals buy from Official shop, or grow 'christmas garden' under uv lamp, or which.
1935379;1568088678;BingoBoingo;The whole "governments balancing their budgets on weed tax revenue" seems a lot like the F-35 steath dilema. As soon as the users can smoke openly there's not much other than their own sloth to keep them from producing. Then supply glut, prices go to the basement, and the gangs find another drug to traffic.
1935380;1568096024;bvt;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935294 << i'll have a look into this problem. this month i'm a bit tight on time for republican work, and already have work in schedule, so i can't promise any deadline, unfortunately.
1935381;1568096024;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-09 20:14:25 lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935281 << bvt, would you be able to produce the vpatch? I would, but a) my knowledge of tcp stack / kernels / etc. is pretty much nil and b) I'm gearing up to focus 100% on mircea_popescu's latest mp-wp bot ask if I end up winning this auction.
1935382;1568096652;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935311 - your znc2tmsr converter; I made initially the same mistake with mine, here's the thread re standard: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-08-11#1927457
1935383;1568096653;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-09 23:53:06 lobbes: I'm willing to patch one or the other (should be a quick fix). Now... the question is which one? The converter, the raw-dumper, or should the eat_dump.py be able to handle BOTH formats?
1935384;1568096653;ossabot;Logged on 2019-08-11 16:01:10 diana_coman: but it seems it took "diana_coman;is" as nick?
1935385;1568102158;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935288 << in which we find she'd make a great telemarketer :D
1935386;1568102159;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-09 20:13:44 lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935178 << you are among the very few who pronounce it correctly then! Most assume it is Spanish and pronounce the end bit like the end of "Rodriguez" (actually, it was a good way to screen for telemarketers back when I answered unknown phone numbers)
1935387;1568102791;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935311 << certainly not the latter.
1935388;1568102791;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-09 23:37:30 lobbes: I'm willing to patch one or the other (should be a quick fix). Now... the question is which one? The converter, the raw-dumper, or should the eat_dump.py be able to handle BOTH formats?
1935389;1568102921;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935314 << contemporary british legal traditions.
1935390;1568102921;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-09 23:39:03 BingoBoingo: lobbes: They did, it isn't implemented yet, and it's already looking like a scammy ball of lulz.
1935391;1568102934;mircea_popescu;from margaret to may, fifty years.
1935392;1568103040;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935319 << hey, it's what the homo circle's
1935393;1568103041;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-09 23:56:48 BingoBoingo: Well, at the Home Depot there was plenty of opportunity to meet minority entrepreneurs getting in early and without bothering about getting right with fiat.
1935394;1568103042;mircea_popescu;oops
1935395;1568103093;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935319 << hey, it's what the [http://trilema.com/2013/ycombinator-continues-to-suck-jointly-and-severally/][homo circle]'s been telling pretty white boys to do. circumcised or not, the dea was "first start business, then figure out legality after you get """financed""".
1935396;1568103094;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-09 23:56:48 BingoBoingo: Well, at the Home Depot there was plenty of opportunity to meet minority entrepreneurs getting in early and without bothering about getting right with fiat.
1935397;1568103410;mircea_popescu;if it's good [http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/born-sissy-maid.jpg][for whiteboi cocksuckers], why shouldn't it apply to [http://trilema.com/2015/racists-and-the-racist-idea/][ebony minotaurity]!
1935398;1568103679;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935322 << dude... they're ~AFRICAN~. they don't understand what the fuck things ~are~, they can barely summon the mental energy to keep track of what things are called.
1935399;1568103680;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-10 00:11:09 BingoBoingo: Never mind that by volume peat moss and perlite which make a superior potting mix together are cheaper than the dubiously branded and mostly uncomposted wood fiber labeled as "Kellog's garden soil"
1935400;1568103688;mircea_popescu;it's the african racial ability, comes with the territory.
1935401;1568103726;mircea_popescu;shamanic tradition and all that, yes ? what, you think euro ousia-driven inquiries are "fundamental human heritage" ? they're fucking euro.
1935402;1568103846;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935325 << well, chiefly because not precious. whole thing's artificial scarcity, on its own weed's cheaper than grain per pound..
1935403;1568103847;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-10 00:26:35 asciilifeform: gone are the days when aficionados would stuff towels under doors to conserve the precious smoak
1935404;1568103869;mircea_popescu;and you eat multiple pounds of bread a day, to stay poor. pot's enough even by the oz.
1935405;1568103903;mircea_popescu;whole thing actually matches very well with empire's last days : whole thing is manufactured scarcity, "buy some expensive woodpulp home to smoke some expensive weed in" sounds EXACTLY like the end days blueprint/.
1935406;1568103959;mircea_popescu;none of it would be expensive anywhere else, but the tards are always speshul. and besides --- [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934507][they want to believe].
1935407;1568103961;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 03:08:44 mircea_popescu: "can't commit" "okay..." "why's nothing happening ?" "duh ?" "nofair, should have way around eat+keep cake" "ummkay."
1935408;1568104143;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935329 << oh it'll be such epic lulz.
1935409;1568104143;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-10 00:55:23 BingoBoingo: The whole "governments balancing their budgets on weed tax revenue" seems a lot like the F-35 steath dilema. As soon as the users can smoke openly there's not much other than their own sloth to keep them from producing. Then supply glut, prices go to the basement, and the gangs find another drug to traffic.
1935410;1568104924;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935335 - bwahahah
1935411;1568104924;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-10 04:55:41 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935288 << in which we find she'd make a great telemarketer :D
1935412;1568104924;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-09 20:13:44 lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935178 << you are among the very few who pronounce it correctly then! Most assume it is Spanish and pronounce the end bit like the end of "Rodriguez" (actually, it was a good way to screen for telemarketers back when I answered unknown phone numbers)
1935413;1568105078;mircea_popescu;hehe
1935414;1568110446;spyked;achtung: I'm doing some maintenance/cleanup work on feedbot as a prelude to upcoming vpatch(es). the bot might go down a coupla times in the meanwhile, but shouldn't lose any feeds
1935415;1568117550;spyked;aaaand this should be all of feedbot's part/join spam for today, ty for bearing with it! also, removed http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933696 from #t's announce list (left a few of them in #s though)
1935416;1568117550;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-04 13:25:57 mircea_popescu: spyked, wow look at that. okay, so btcalpha, anco.is, esthlos.com can all come off.
1935417;1568117662;spyked;also added a few concurrency optimizations to the bot, they should arrive in the v tree with the next vpatch.
1935418;1568121623;mircea_popescu;sweet.
1935419;1568121810;spyked;and in other news: Hunchentoot tree updated with [http://thetarpit.org/posts/y06/09f-hunchentoot-genesis.html][a sbcl distribution]. ty diana_coman and bvt for the help!
1935420;1568122926;diana_coman;nice, spyked ; by now it seems to me that the "source code only" is ~always + binaries, when one actually looks at it.
1935421;1568126614;asciilifeform;diana_coman: heathen sores tars do tend to contain astonishing volumes of binliquishit. ( or were you thinking of the thompsonistic trap where 'need gnat to build gnat' etc. , rather ? )
1935422;1568127518;mircea_popescu;sad.
1935423;1568129719;asciilifeform;not even any kind of new plague. mircea_popescu recall how we had to cut a buncha gifs etc outta pre-trb to bake the genesis.
1935424;1568130763;diana_coman;asciilifeform: myeah, not new; just finally realising that it's ~all, not "some" (as naive mind might think when encountering bins in sources for 1st, 2nd , 10th time)
1935425;1568130991;asciilifeform;diana_coman: just about ~all since 2010 or so, per asciilifeform's notes. ( invariably there's a pdf turd passed off as documentation, or jpegs for guism, or in device drivers -- magick init binturds ; etc )
1935426;1568131052;asciilifeform;and then there's the 'stealth' binturds . e.g. linux kernel superficially seems to be 100% text, but in fact there's coupla 100MB of init-turds as hex .h includes , and so on.
1935427;1568131095;diana_coman;myeah, shit is never one-layer only, obviously and inescapably
1935428;1568131871;BingoBoingo;!Qlater tell bvt http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=f8IH
1935429;1568131871;lobbesbot;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
1935430;1568132449;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: unrelatedly, [http://trilema.com/2018/the-man-versus-the-state/?b=difficult&e=indeed#select][a dead link in 'man vs state']
1935431;1568133066;diana_coman;asciilifeform: that's the minigame.bz -> minigame.biz thing
1935432;1568133118;asciilifeform;diana_coman: aa. indeed loads when s/bz/biz .
1935433;1568134059;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935311 << pleez no 'both formats', [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2018-02-02#1779522][ffs] !
1935434;1568134060;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-09 23:37:30 lobbes: I'm willing to patch one or the other (should be a quick fix). Now... the question is which one? The converter, the raw-dumper, or should the eat_dump.py be able to handle BOTH formats?
1935435;1568134060;snsabot;Logged on 2018-02-02 11:23:06 asciilifeform: the 'postel's law' nonsense, of silently forgiving people who send liquishit at the dusty disused corners of the protocol, enabling there to even ~be~ such a thing as dusty corners in a protocol!, MUST die.
1935436;1568134124;asciilifeform;lobbes: when you have the correct (i.e. both ends) vpatch for this, i'ma test & stand up on my end asap, so 'log-raw' sync worx properly.
1935437;1568134333;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935352 << afaik this is so, but the aficionados are picky re particular breeds w/ particular proportions of the oils . ( possibly BingoBoingo knows moar )
1935438;1568134334;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-10 05:08:12 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935325 << well, chiefly because not precious. whole thing's artificial scarcity, on its own weed's cheaper than grain per pound..
1935439;1568135349;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: That part is ~90% plant genetics, and there isn't a Monsanto sorta monopoly on that. Largely for reasons of the folks doing seed development having been more or less effective dissidents. I suspect much of the percieved selectivity of the consumers is applied marketing.
1935440;1568135539;BingoBoingo;The remaining utility of indoor culture outside of police states is largely in seed production via turning select females hermaphrodite to create lots of feminized seeds.
1935441;1568135629;BingoBoingo;The tech's out there and well documented, and the key colloidal silver used to turn the plants sex-weird isn't even something the weed folks make the most noise about.
1935442;1568135903;BingoBoingo;Today there is not any particular place in cannabis production that demands extraordinary costs relative to other agricultural pursuits aside from the elective submission to various fiat sovereigns
1935443;1568136578;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935373 << ayup. and the svg-ing of mp-wp and so on
1935444;1568136578;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-10 12:19:26 asciilifeform: not even any kind of new plague. mircea_popescu recall how we had to cut a buncha gifs etc outta pre-trb to bake the genesis.
1935445;1568136627;BingoBoingo;All of the pretense to the contrary is exactly that, pretense. I met n>1 fellows down here trying to "bring California quality" to Uruguay. They all pay the bills with jobs tied to the local economy. Their revenues, as best as I can tell, are in the same league as roadside vegetable stands in the middle of nowhere that use an "honor box" as their payment processor. There is probably more money to be had in wool than weed.
1935446;1568136690;hanbot;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935210 << the yellow submarine cribbing blew my mind, blue meanies and all!
1935447;1568136691;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-09 11:43:01 asciilifeform: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wDESvyj1qo][vintage illustration] .
1935448;1568136847;BingoBoingo;The economics of weed strike me as similar to mircea_popescu writing about the history of porn. To the extent weed may have had a golden age, that is long gone. The silver/bronze ages are rapidly closing and the DIY amateur glut is going to crush everywhere it hasn't already crushed.
1935449;1568136937;mircea_popescu;hanbot, other side of the "influential" coin.
1935450;1568136982;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo, supposedly the golden age was back in the day where that deranged dude organised a harem out of the aparently uberabundant cali cunt, to kidnap some people / teach blacks how to rebel.
1935451;1568137096;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: AHA, 1969. Maybe a second peak in the 80's when the genetics to do closet sized plants hit California.
1935452;1568137232;asciilifeform;hanbot: afaik it was made right after 'submarine', was overtly a riff on subj. ( but based actually on v. f. odoevsky's 1834 short story 'city in the snuffbox' . )
1935453;1568137291;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935381 << one UPDATE posts SET `post_content` = REPLACE(post_content, 'http://minigame.bz', 'http://minigame.biz') WHERE `post_content` LIKE ('%http://minigame.bz%')  later all should be good ; please let me know if not.
1935454;1568137291;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-10 13:15:14 diana_coman: asciilifeform: that's the minigame.bz -> minigame.biz thing
1935455;1568137511;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: orig link still broken, it seems
1935456;1568138133;bvt;!!invoice BingoBoingo 0.123 auction #1058 : 1209 WFF sent
1935457;1568138153;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/
1935458;1568138245;bvt;trinque: ^ (self-voice somehow got through yestereday on the 2nd attempt)
1935459;1568141260;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/09/john-bolton-out-as-us-national-security-advisor/ << Qntra -- John Bolton Out As US National Security Advisor
1935460;1568152903;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/09/intel-ddio-technology-allows-keystroke-capture-in-ssh-sessions-peripherals-interacting-directly-with-cpu-cache/ << Qntra -- Intel "DDIO" Technology Allows Keystroke Capture In SSH Sessions  Peripherals Interacting Directly With CPU Cache
1935461;1568154142;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: meanwhile the ps is here. ( and so is the xy table for the drillings, ~40kg of cast iron ugh in a 20th-c-style wooden coffin )
1935462;1568154248;asciilifeform;( pet : 'get up, there's a mail bomb for you' )
1935463;1568154276;BingoBoingo;lol
1935464;1568156913;mircea_popescu;ah, cuz logs.minigame. aite.
1935465;1568157137;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, fixed for reals now!
1935466;1568157195;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: tested, worx
1935467;1568157201;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935389 << pothead selectivity is cut of exactly the same cloth as telekinesis.
1935468;1568157202;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-10 13:53:17 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That part is ~90% plant genetics, and there isn't a Monsanto sorta monopoly on that. Largely for reasons of the folks doing seed development having been more or less effective dissidents. I suspect much of the percieved selectivity of the consumers is applied marketing.
1935469;1568157226;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i expected answer 'as audiophiles(tm)' but sure
1935470;1568157258;mircea_popescu;audiophile can distinguish one sound system from another. pothead can not distinguish pot from pot.
1935471;1568157390;mircea_popescu;actually, i suppose the correct example is "wine snob". yes, anyoen can tell ok wine from piss ; yes particularly talented fellows can actually tell you a lot from a sip. but the vast bulk of neglected aging "careerwomen" getting plastered pretentiously each weekend -- they couldn't tell a pinot from another if poured into milkbottoles first.
1935472;1568157537;mircea_popescu;s/pinot/wharever the fuck's fashionable nowadays after the latest pretentious film offering provincial ustards "worldliness" [http://trilema.com/2013/america-and-intellectual-relevance/][on the cheap], gewurtztraminer or w/e it is.
1935473;1568157983;BingoBoingo;During the whole hostel stay I don't think I ever saw even the pickiest kiwi substantially distinguish what the smoked beyond relative strength at the extremes. Or visual appearance.
1935474;1568167819;trinque;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935408 << ehhhhh, thanks for letting me know.
1935475;1568167820;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-10 14:41:34 bvt: trinque: ^ (self-voice somehow got through yestereday on the 2nd attempt)
1935476;1568167854;trinque;as of now, I've retired ben_vulpes' paster in favor of my own.
1935477;1568167891;trinque;looks to be working correctly with the wallet and deedbot's own commands, lmk if anything misbehaves.
1935478;1568167919;trinque;!!ratings deedbot
1935479;1568167920;deedbot;http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=orS8
1935480;1568167931;trinque;!!balance
1935481;1568167972;trinque;hm weird, sec.
1935482;1568168050;trinque;!!received-invoices
1935483;1568168054;deedbot;http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=vq6p
1935484;1568168066;trinque;there we go.
1935485;1568170200;trinque;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935191 << what credibility does a hanging have if it can't happen to you too?
1935486;1568170202;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-09 11:33:17 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935131 << for what in '17 ? for writing a working logger ? next, wat, will kick out trinque , so can have 'flurry of exciting, new development' of deedbot ?!
1935487;1568170333;trinque;and that said...
1935488;1568170356;lobbes;*drum-roll*
1935489;1568170380;trinque;damn, now it has to be good.
1935490;1568170427;trinque;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935205 << where is the leucosys threshold in diana_coman's view?
1935491;1568170428;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-09 11:40:47 diana_coman: what I can't quite get in all this is why is asciilifeform fighting mircea_popescu's leucocite-qualities so much and at every occasion?
1935492;1568170847;trinque;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934680 << the lever here is the increasing purchasing power of btc or something else? and if it's to remain mp's business and not mine, that's fine too.
1935493;1568170847;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 08:31:54 mircea_popescu: that's how economy works at the scale here discussed, "and if you don't like it, get ready for valleyforge -- if you got it in you".
1935494;1568171169;trinque;asciilifeform: and you know, to take the other side of the leucosys thing, this is mircea_popescu's hall. he didn't ban anyone from yours, or mine.
1935495;1568171330;lobbes;iirc he made a point that he doesn't read other castle's logs for this reason (so as to not embitter the grounds there)
1935496;1568171335;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935332 << diana_coman, could you provide me a small snippet of your irssi log that you fed into your irssi2tmsr converter (with both an "action line" and "regular line" example)?
1935497;1568171336;ericbot;Logged on 2019-09-10 06:25:00 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935311 - your znc2tmsr converter; I made initially the same mistake with mine, here's the thread re standard: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-08-11#1927457
1935498;1568171336;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-09 23:53:06 lobbes: I'm willing to patch one or the other (should be a quick fix). Now... the question is which one? The converter, the raw-dumper, or should the eat_dump.py be able to handle BOTH formats?
1935499;1568171336;ossabot;Logged on 2019-08-11 16:01:10 diana_coman: but it seems it took "diana_coman;is" as nick?
1935500;1568171343;lobbes;I'm trying to perform a "full sweep" test on my end of the znc2tmsr, irssi2tsmr, and the raw-dump to make sure that they ALL conform to the standard (which I understand is NO ";" after the nick on an action line)
1935501;1568171351;lobbes;However, I think my irssi logs are using a different format than yours, because I am observing some [funky behavior][http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=8ydO]
1935502;1568171400;*;lobbes will probably ammend the READMEs of all converters once this testing phase is over. For better clarity on expected irssi/znc log formats
1935503;1568173279;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935444 << not accurate description of thread.
1935504;1568173279;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-10 23:50:19 trinque: asciilifeform: and you know, to take the other side of the leucosys thing, this is mircea_popescu's hall. he didn't ban anyone from yours, or mine.
1935505;1568173412;asciilifeform;trinque: [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935131][orig. contention], which i disputed. phf was 1 of the very, very few people whose hands grew from right place, and it will take very long time to replace , not even speaking of the full functionality of the orig. bot ( still not had ) but of e.g. the vpatch viewer, which i use erry fucking day of the week
1935506;1568173413;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-09 05:21:49 mircea_popescu: imagine, all this flurry of exciting new development could have been occuring in 2017, if i had the sense to kick phf out on his rear in 2017, rather than let him sit his dumb ass on us for two years.
1935507;1568173505;asciilifeform;trinque: obv. mircea_popescu's (and for that matter anyone's) ratings are b/w him and odin. but imho to present the disappearance of phf as some kinda win, is disingenuous at best .
1935508;1568173568;asciilifeform;trinque: 2-3 moar 'wins' like this and what will be left , will be mircea_popescu writing his memoirs.
1935509;1568173593;trinque;why doesn't asciilifeform have a relationship with phf independent of mircea_popescu ?
1935510;1568173611;asciilifeform;trinque: cuz we're both recluses .
1935511;1568173614;trinque;I quite like phf ftr, on the basis of history, but I don't think that's the point
1935512;1568173672;asciilifeform;trinque: ftr i don't even know what did phf in. (it wasn't the ski mishap, obv. but some chronic degeneration)
1935513;1568173696;asciilifeform;trinque: and also ftr i have nfi where Framedragger, esthlos, went.
1935514;1568173810;asciilifeform;it is very easy to say 'they were weak, fughet'em'. but fact remains, they were not replaced , of yet .
1935515;1568173999;trinque;asciilifeform can remember or forget whomever he wants, no?
1935516;1568174079;trinque;if republic doesn't mean "fuck you, I'll tell you who my friends are" in all directions, wtf, lets skip right back to empire?
1935517;1568174093;asciilifeform;trinque: for my part, i remember'em as folx who did 1st class work, of the kind i suspect nobody born after '90 is able to do, full stop. but then ran outta steam. (why, i do not know.)
1935518;1568174141;asciilifeform;trinque: fwiw i suspect they 'ran' to bottle, rather than 'to empire'.
1935519;1568174171;trinque;I mean, it's empire-shaped thinking to say mircea_popescu should consult with you and whomever else on who he likes.
1935520;1568174181;asciilifeform;trinque: from where this implication ?
1935521;1568174182;trinque;or you idem
1935522;1568174209;trinque;iirc mircea_popescu met phf irl, didn't like him, and that was that
1935523;1568174211;asciilifeform;trinque: my contention wasn't that it was somehow work for mircea_popescu to nurse'em back to health (how?)
1935524;1568174307;asciilifeform;if i knew why some folx are good for a year, others -- 2, 3, etc. i promised, would say.
1935525;1568174469;asciilifeform;but i aint about to nod to 'x was always trotskyist, we were mistaken from day 1 to involve him' logic.
1935526;1568174609;trinque;it's unfortunate no phf<->asciilifeform remains absent mp, such that this could be demonstrated otherwise.
1935527;1568174620;trinque;but I don't know if my point is coming across.
1935528;1568174655;trinque;it's what I hear in the admonitions about blogging, ftr.
1935529;1568174718;asciilifeform;trinque: for that matter, there ain't a spare mircea_popescu either. observe that nobody else knows how to strip the valence electrons from folx like phf and make'em usefully react. none of the burnouts are doing anyffin worth note in e.g. #a .
1935530;1568174736;*;asciilifeform brb,meat
1935531;1568174747;trinque;tried telling them to do anything?
1935532;1568174828;trinque;when they line up quietly like that they're either jacking off to you, or waiting for you to tell them what to do, or both!
1935533;1568175300;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935472 << nah, it came down to what the WoT is all about ("how well are you able to answer questions about X person if asked?"). Nobody could answer as to where he was when needed. Hence MP's whole "nickel's worth of clues" article (the title was apt).
1935534;1568175300;ericbot;Logged on 2019-09-11 03:57:39 trinque: iirc mircea_popescu met phf irl, didn't like him, and that was that
1935535;1568175317;lobbes;This doesn't even mean the same thing as "not a good guy" or "arms don't grow from right organ" in my book. Simply a WoT matter
1935536;1568175779;lobbes;there's been plenty of people in my meatlife who I like a great deal; enjoy their company. But I also wouldn't trust them with xyz. The WoT is individual to individual for a reason. One person may be able to answer questions better about another than another. The tendons between mp and phf weakened, but this ain't a republic of one after all. Phf could resurface in asciilifeform's castle tomorrow and
1935537;1568175785;lobbes;continue to do great work for the next 10 years for all we know. (I hope he does for that matter)
1935538;1568177583;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935481 << matter of fact, did. for instance when phf reappeared, told him to genesis his logotron. guess what was result ?
1935539;1568177585;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-11 00:49:58 trinque: tried telling them to do anything?
1935540;1568177898;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935482 << iirc mircea_popescu warned about this (and apparently was right) : the coupla folx in #a, already would not do when mircea_popescu asked ; why would they do when asciilifeform asks, who isn't famous hero, has no millions, no harems, nothing in particular that forces recalcitrant folx to stand up. so far the output of the #a people is the predicted 0.
1935541;1568177899;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-11 00:51:19 trinque: when they line up quietly like that they're either jacking off to you, or waiting for you to tell them what to do, or both!
1935542;1568177965;*;asciilifeform bbl,bed.
1935543;1568179541;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, gotta also take it easy, if one were to judge "the output" of #t on the basis of its however many first weeks...
1935544;1568179614;mircea_popescu;for YEARS /me did not give a shit, #t hosted  club of (romanian-speaking, as it happens, but of no consequence past that coincidence), exactly same automatons working the same way getting the same results
1935545;1568179632;mircea_popescu;~all that crawls out of cunt these days is anal children, like it or not, pretend how you would.
1935546;1568179667;mircea_popescu;here they sat, same #trilema as today, and preened, like these do. nothing came of it, and then one day i showed up and kicked them all out.
1935547;1568179803;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935439 << keks.
1935548;1568179804;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-10 23:37:11 trinque: damn, now it has to be good.
1935549;1568179842;mircea_popescu;but yes, the ~one~ good (unintentional, and unaware, but neither of this matters) 2nd order effect of attempted socialism is that in the mid phase it shook the complacency out of people.
1935550;1568179903;mircea_popescu;the obverse of that "oh, stalin got tupolev back out of dungeon" coin is that BEFORE getting itno dungeon, cis-tupolev, the whole half million of them, had ONE DAMNED GOOD reason to get out of bed in the morning. "holy shit it's gonna happen to me", terror works. on short stretches at a time, but works.
1935551;1568179984;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935442 << tjhere's a thread re micro/macro economy and a discussion of money in its dual aspect somewhere but i can't take the time to find it for you right nao, leaving for hunedoara castle in about five minutes. we can revisit this in weekend though, ping me.
1935552;1568179985;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-10 23:44:57 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934680 << the lever here is the increasing purchasing power of btc or something else? and if it's to remain mp's business and not mine, that's fine too.
1935553;1568180020;mircea_popescu;when you switch from discussing "my getting enough to eat tomorrow" to "here's this island, manage it", all the tools keep the names get different powers.
1935554;1568180167;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935445 << yes, and look how beautifully sabotage-y [http://trilema.com/2019/a-nickels-worth-of-clues/?b=through&e=before#select][~highly intelligent~ idiotic misbehaviour] actually is : if i wasn't me, but slightly less of a me such as to not notice the problem and get carried away emotionally, we'd have a fine problem on our hands, through having ruined an important pilla
1935555;1568180167;mircea_popescu;r for the world early on, when "nobody" knew what's what.
1935556;1568180167;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-10 23:53:00 lobbes: iirc he made a point that he doesn't read other castle's logs for this reason (so as to not embitter the grounds there)
1935557;1568180194;mircea_popescu;most groups tryna challenge the system of idiocy die this way, because early on they destroy some tiny thing which is actually critcal for long term survival, unawares.
1935558;1568180221;mircea_popescu;the problem with embryos -- you never know which set of literally three cells will be the eye and also the only shot you get at ever having eyes.
1935559;1568180345;mircea_popescu;and to properly bolster the fundaments of the foregoing terror -- it DPOES NOT MATTER whether one actually was, deliberately, working for the enemy. from my pov, phf is not "merely an idiot", but very well [http://trilema.com/2019/a-nickels-worth-of-clues/#comment-130858][saboteur anon describes] NOT because he actually is, but because... again, guy found with smoking gun next to dead president is hanged, [http://logs.nosu
1935560;1568180345;mircea_popescu;chlabs.com/log/trilema/2017-12-17#1752614][]even if] "tje aliens did it"
1935561;1568180440;mircea_popescu;this mirrors the above discussion re money exactly : in a certain context, idiocy can be just idiocy. but when you engage (and it does not matter how far above your paygrade the engaging is, or how coincidental -- the smoking gun dude could be retarded, iq <30, he'll hang just as well) the very hot core of the first mover in certain ways... suddely it's not no more.
1935562;1568180511;mircea_popescu;and so this is what happened there, the complete story : he did ~just what a saboteur would do~, because look how fucking wunderbar=ly it'd have sabotaged if it worked ; and a less-than-divine mp easily would've gotten fucked over it. so now -- we can never be friends again, i ain't getting over that.
1935563;1568180555;mircea_popescu;much like you can never be friends with the man who shot and missed -- because he can never be anything else now, besides the dood who took his shot
1935564;1568180652;*;mircea_popescu sings "He was slick but I was slicker, he drew quick but I was quicker and the table stopped his ticker Surly Joe - Yee Haw"
1935565;1568180658;mircea_popescu;an' buhbye
1935566;1568184959;dorion;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-07-26#1925030 << I've managed to make progress on the rockchip trb build, but've not yet succeeded. Presently the status is:
1935567;1568184960;snsabot;Logged on 2019-07-26 10:17:04 dorion: ty mp_en_viaje I am Robinson Dorion, the someone BingoBoingo mentioned had inquired about the rk. Plan is to sync a trb node there.
1935568;1568184998;dorion;1. I used the buildroot menuconfig to produce a [http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=ee-o][rotor_buildroot_aarch64_dot_config].
1935569;1568185074;dorion;2. I modified the [http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=oTpp][build/Makefile] and [http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=pFsN][build/Makefile.rotor] to build the aarch64 toolchain, bdb and openssl.
1935570;1568185134;dorion;2a. The [http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=lwJV][config.guess] and [http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=b2p0][config.sub] files for bdb were taken directly from the links in the configuration error message : http://git.savannah.gnu.org/gitweb/?p=config.git;a=blob_plain;f=config.guess;hb=HEAD ; http://git.savannah.gnu.org/gitweb/?p=config.git;a=blob_plain;f=config.sub;hb=HEAD
1935571;1568185260;dorion;3. Boost has proven to be the most stubborn. 1.52.0 was released in 2012 and, from my understanding, aarch64 support wasn't added until 2015 in 1.58.0. Said support included adding asm, entry point of reference here : http://archive.is/jciFv
1935572;1568185325;dorion;It appears to me the options are a) make a patch to boost to backport the aarch64 support , b) build the arm 32bit toolchain and 32bit bitcoind on rockchip and attempt to run there.
1935573;1568185354;dorion;It's not clear to me which is preferable and I would appreciate some direction.
1935574;1568186675;dorion;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934639 << I came across http://bbgentoo.ilb.ru/ , which appears to do a decent job of preserving distfiles. e.g. has nearly entire php-4.x series, except ~actual weightlifter~. even has php 2 and 3 tarballs. there is also what appears to be a portage tree dated 2011-01-31. I downloaded, but haven't yet cracked it open.
1935575;1568186675;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 06:43:33 mircea_popescu: in any case, the net's been thoroughly scrubbed : http://il.php.net/get/php-4.4.8.tar.bz2/from/us.php.net/mirror no longer works (they even redirected the old /get/ directory to the manual now) ; the downloads studiously only includes the (entirely useless) 7 series. even lulzy spamsites a la http://www.oldapps.com/php_programming_language.php?old_php=13 are dead (the frontend works, but the [http://download.ol
1935576;1568205466;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935440 - I don't think my view on this (specifically for #trilema) has yet enough substance to even warrant the name of "view"; fwiw I'm not even sure that one can define a "threshold" generically, like this.
1935577;1568205467;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-10 23:53:35 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935205 << where is the leucosys threshold in diana_coman's view?
1935578;1568205467;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-09 11:40:47 diana_coman: what I can't quite get in all this is why is asciilifeform fighting mircea_popescu's leucocite-qualities so much and at every occasion?
1935579;1568205560;diana_coman;there is always (and still available and I'd like to see it taken by phf, yes) the place in other castles; so I suppose, if one must answer the question, the threshold as I see it atm = reaching to ban from *other* castles.
1935580;1568205626;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935444 - heh, look at that; precisely ^
1935581;1568205626;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-11 00:05:56 trinque: asciilifeform: and you know, to take the other side of the leucosys thing, this is mircea_popescu's hall. he didn't ban anyone from yours, or mine.
1935582;1568206492;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935446 - sure, here's the [irssi log snippet][http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=Xspp] and the [converter's output][http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=euDm]
1935583;1568206492;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-11 00:08:43 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935332 << diana_coman, could you provide me a small snippet of your irssi log that you fed into your irssi2tmsr converter (with both an "action line" and "regular line" example)?
1935584;1568206492;ericbot;Logged on 2019-09-10 06:25:00 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935311 - your znc2tmsr converter; I made initially the same mistake with mine, here's the thread re standard: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-08-11#1927457
1935585;1568206492;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-09 23:53:06 lobbes: I'm willing to patch one or the other (should be a quick fix). Now... the question is which one? The converter, the raw-dumper, or should the eat_dump.py be able to handle BOTH formats?
1935586;1568206492;ossabot;Logged on 2019-08-11 16:01:10 diana_coman: but it seems it took "diana_coman;is" as nick?
1935587;1568206526;diana_coman;from your paste though, I suspect it's mainly that you missed that part of the README where it says months as NUMBERS.
1935588;1568206811;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935455 - fwiw I don't think anyone contested the quality of the technical work done by phf.
1935589;1568206811;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-11 00:43:20 asciilifeform: trinque: [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935131][orig. contention], which i disputed. phf was 1 of the very, very few people whose hands grew from right place, and it will take very long time to replace , not even speaking of the full functionality of the orig. bot ( still not had ) but of e.g. the vpatch viewer, which i use erry fucking day of the week
1935590;1568206812;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-09 05:21:49 mircea_popescu: imagine, all this flurry of exciting new development could have been occuring in 2017, if i had the sense to kick phf out on his rear in 2017, rather than let him sit his dumb ass on us for two years.
1935591;1568207286;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935464 - hm, this sounds to me like the fundamental difference causes/purposes all over again; you are looking at what is needed (work done and done well!) and that's your start, so you build backwards, ending up with basically "too needed to fail" sort of thing.
1935592;1568207287;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-11 00:49:58 asciilifeform: it is very easy to say 'they were weak, fughet'em'. but fact remains, they were not replaced , of yet .
1935593;1568207977;diana_coman;drat, I still got the [][] order wrong, ugh.
1935594;1568212538;asciilifeform;diana_coman: let's reformulate. it takes a very long time to produce 1st class people. (as a pedagogue, you know this.) if they burn up faster than they are produced -- this is a problem.
1935595;1568212681;*;asciilifeform brb,tea
1935596;1568213616;whaack;greetings. following the advice of the lords http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-17#1914428 and http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-05-17#1914460 i am getting out of the reich and moving back to CR. I'm going there this weekend for a week to secure a lease, then moving there permanently mid October. This time I'm saying my goodbyes to the meatwot and have secured remote employment so I will not have to set foot in the US aga
1935597;1568213619;a111;Logged on 2019-05-17 17:47 asciilifeform: whaack: in your position, i'd focus on getting out of reich 1st; can 'book larnin'' 2nd.
1935598;1568213619;whaack;in.
1935599;1568213619;snsabot;Logged on 2019-05-17 19:17:34 trinque: whaack: more important than where you haul your ass is what you're going to do when you get there.
1935600;1568214140;diana_coman;whaack: good for you; what are you working on, anyway?
1935601;1568214292;diana_coman;asciilifeform: well, for one thing I don't think it's an accurate description of the situation in that...who produced phf, esthlos, framedragger? re esthlos at least I can even say that no, he precisely dropped out of ..production as you put it.
1935602;1568214293;whaack;nothing directly republic related. i've been reminded by reading the recent logs that i'm in the perpetual ill-start-helping-tomorrow state. i always have an excuse for myself: "i'll be increasing noise, im too unedecuated to do shit, i need to become bilingual/get out of reich first, etc. etc"
1935603;1568214330;diana_coman;whaack: so possibly #ossasepia or #asciilifeform are better places for you to try to get in.
1935604;1568214337;diana_coman;or #spyked
1935605;1568214522;diana_coman;asciilifeform: for the other thing, the situation you describe can indeed very well happen and yes, a problem, but the solution can never be "restrain your adverse reaction"
1935606;1568214568;diana_coman;you can restrict their access to the danger, but you can't fence in the danger "for your safety and security"
1935607;1568214736;whaack;roger that. Before I disappear into the subcastles, I'll mention i'm blogging the differences in Spanish/English pronunciation which other ESLers in the channel may find useful http://ztkfg.com/2019/09/differences-between-english-spanish-phonetics-part-1-differences-in-stops-d-k-t-p/
1935608;1568214741;diana_coman;whaack: worth noting though that this "I can start helping" is (given its history) incorrect and keeping you back; you're better served by stating the naked "I'll ask for help and do what I'm asked to do, today"
1935609;1568215822;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935555 << take for instance [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935512][this]. very easy to condemn phf for losing logger for week; but what about errybody else, who happily put up with a single-machine, unpublished-src logger for years ?
1935610;1568215824;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-11 11:53:41 diana_coman: you can restrict their access to the danger, but you can't fence in the danger "for your safety and security"
1935611;1568215824;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-11 02:26:02 mircea_popescu: and so this is what happened there, the complete story : he did ~just what a saboteur would do~, because look how fucking wunderbar=ly it'd have sabotaged if it worked ; and a less-than-divine mp easily would've gotten fucked over it. so now -- we can never be friends again, i ain't getting over that.
1935612;1568215874;asciilifeform;for that matter, we still have a system like this -- deedbot. is trinque doomed to same fate as phf, if he ever 'gets lucky' and trapped on cannibal island , and it takes him a week to knife his way out ?
1935613;1568216159;diana_coman;asciilifeform: that wasn't at all the issue and it has been already pointed out to you several times, here and  on trilema.com
1935614;1568216170;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935501 << this thread was in [http://btcbase.org/log/2014-04-06#607230][era 1 log] .
1935615;1568216172;a111;Logged on 2014-04-06 06:17 mircea_popescu: there's two kinds of money see ? money-%, like btc. that's the money used by the people who allocate resources.
1935616;1568216172;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-11 02:17:15 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935442 << tjhere's a thread re micro/macro economy and a discussion of money in its dual aspect somewhere but i can't take the time to find it for you right nao, leaving for hunedoara castle in about five minutes. we can revisit this in weekend though, ping me.
1935617;1568217304;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935558 - re "happily put up", I suppose you have a point if you actually mean that there should be *more danger* and therefore everyone adding more pressure on the weak points, to get them hardened.
1935618;1568217304;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-11 12:30:12 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935555 << take for instance [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935512][this]. very easy to condemn phf for losing logger for week; but what about errybody else, who happily put up with a single-machine, unpublished-src logger for years ?
1935619;1568217305;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-11 11:53:41 diana_coman: you can restrict their access to the danger, but you can't fence in the danger "for your safety and security"
1935620;1568217305;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-11 02:26:02 mircea_popescu: and so this is what happened there, the complete story : he did ~just what a saboteur would do~, because look how fucking wunderbar=ly it'd have sabotaged if it worked ; and a less-than-divine mp easily would've gotten fucked over it. so now -- we can never be friends again, i ain't getting over that.
1935621;1568217776;asciilifeform;diana_coman: if expectation is that logging is a 24/7/365 system -- then yes ought to be obv. that it aint a job for 1 set of hands. rather than 'let's put it in 1 hands for years and then say 'saboteur' when he falls down' .
1935622;1568217822;diana_coman;asciilifeform: but that's not what happened.
1935623;1568217856;asciilifeform;diana_coman: what detail, in your eyes important, am i neglecting ?
1935624;1568218044;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i am working from [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935509][ mircea_popescu's verdict ] strictly.
1935625;1568218044;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-11 02:23:16 mircea_popescu: and to properly bolster the fundaments of the foregoing terror -- it DPOES NOT MATTER whether one actually was, deliberately, working for the enemy. from my pov, phf is not "merely an idiot", but very well [http://trilema.com/2019/a-nickels-worth-of-clues/#comment-130858][saboteur anon describes] NOT because he actually is, but because... again, guy found with smoking gun next to dead president is hanged, [http
1935626;1568218071;diana_coman;asciilifeform: ugh, for instance THIS clear statement: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935504 ; and http://trilema.com/2019/a-nickels-worth-of-clues/#comment-130687
1935627;1568218072;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-11 02:35:55 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935445 << yes, and look how beautifully sabotage-y [http://trilema.com/2019/a-nickels-worth-of-clues/?b=through&e=before#select][~highly intelligent~ idiotic misbehaviour] actually is : if i wasn't me, but slightly less of a me such as to not notice the problem and get carried away emotionally, we'd have a fine problem on our hands, through having ruined an imp
1935628;1568218072;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-10 23:53:00 lobbes: iirc he made a point that he doesn't read other castle's logs for this reason (so as to not embitter the grounds there)
1935629;1568218111;diana_coman;just for a few, I really don't see how you persist in the idea that it was "logger down" the problem.
1935630;1568218162;diana_coman;asciilifeform: did you follow the link in that statement and read the selected part?
1935631;1568218212;asciilifeform;i did ( and let's [logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2017-12-17#1752614][glue it back together] for the log, it got sliced )
1935632;1568218262;diana_coman;asciilifeform: so what in there is "logger down"??
1935633;1568218308;asciilifeform;diana_coman: the trigger for the entire episode. was the loss of the logger .
1935634;1568218350;diana_coman;eh, you jumped
1935635;1568218354;asciilifeform;diana_coman: and if yer about to say 'the fact that phf said 10 words in that many months' at one pt same was tru of e.g. trinque . and i suspect if deedbot had been the bot that fell for a week, we'd be having exactly same thread about trinque instead of phf .
1935636;1568218529;diana_coman;asciilifeform: neah, you are cherry picking bits and pieces that fit the idea you already have.
1935637;1568218530;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935579 << grr,  [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2017-12-17#1752614][let's fix properly]
1935638;1568218531;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-11 12:54:25 asciilifeform: i did ( and let's [logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2017-12-17#1752614][glue it back together] for the log, it got sliced )
1935639;1568218531;snsabot;Logged on 2017-12-17 00:03:49 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-31#1663960 << see also re goedel
1935640;1568218583;asciilifeform;diana_coman: for my enlightenment, plox to summarize, in own words, 'how phf lost his epaulettes' .
1935641;1568218600;asciilifeform;evidently asciilifeform has diff. reading from diana_coman , of the 'clear' .
1935642;1568219125;diana_coman;asciilifeform: I doubt it can help you if it gets read like the rest; anyway, the shortest summary I can come up with: phf persistently refused to engage tmsr beyond the purely technical; and ultimately (when pressure forced a decision) made his choice for out rather than in.
1935643;1568219450;asciilifeform;diana_coman: to properly colour in this picture -- what would have looked like 'engage beyond the technical' ?
1935644;1568219559;diana_coman;asciilifeform: what it always does: changing himself.
1935645;1568219602;asciilifeform;diana_coman: changed how ? grow extra pair of hands ? a tree-proof arse ?
1935646;1568219633;diana_coman;asciilifeform: eh; still stuck on "logger down was the problem", right?
1935647;1568219643;asciilifeform;or maybe to grow chloroplasts, so he dun need to eat by doing saecular labour ?
1935648;1568219666;diana_coman;asciilifeform: and three heads to boot since we are doing this, of course.
1935649;1568219701;asciilifeform;diana_coman: no, i actually buy your summary, 'd00d wouldn't fucking talk'. but i'm also willing to ask ~why~ didn't talk ? maybe because erry time he opened the door, there was a beating behind it ?
1935650;1568219733;diana_coman;asciilifeform: in that particular selected snippet, tell me for my curiosity *what* exactly stopped phf from talking directly to mp? and for that matter again, what exactly stopped him from telling his girl to get online and say "help"?
1935651;1568219771;diana_coman;asciilifeform: neah; and I'm not going now to try and guess what was in phf's mind at one point or another, wtf.
1935652;1568219795;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i wasn't there, at the tea table, so can't say. but fwiw i suspect he thought 'already written off' .
1935653;1568220182;diana_coman;well, I can suspect all sorts of things but suspicions are not something you can base your argument on.
1935654;1568220195;*;diana_coman will bbl
1935655;1568220330;asciilifeform;fwiw 'talk directly to mp' when 'i'm in a corner' moar often than not , in my experience, gives [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935232][this] output. i accept this, he's a 'sink or swim' sort of guru. but also not surprised that phf hesitated to ask him for an evac chopper .
1935656;1568220330;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-09 11:53:39 mircea_popescu: as i tell the slavegirls "when they most need my support", "do or fucking die ; and i don't particularly care which the fuck it is."
1935657;1568220954;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935496 << many yrs ago -- i did this also. switched off comments on my www, cuz they were a net -ev . for years .
1935658;1568220955;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-11 02:11:58 mircea_popescu: here they sat, same #trilema as today, and preened, like these do. nothing came of it, and then one day i showed up and kicked them all out.
1935659;1568221178;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935499 << it also shakes other things out of people. when , e.g., lysenko had vavilov confined to dungeon, the other academicians went [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2017-08-29#1705800]['gulp', 'he MUST've been traitor'] , etc.
1935660;1568221181;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-11 02:14:53 mircea_popescu: but yes, the ~one~ good (unintentional, and unaware, but neither of this matters) 2nd order effect of attempted socialism is that in the mid phase it shook the complacency out of people.
1935661;1568221181;snsabot;Logged on 2017-08-29 18:19:28 asciilifeform: Ню-ню, - сказал бегемот '
1935662;1568221222;asciilifeform;(for completeness, let's [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2017-08-29#1705799][translate] :
1935663;1568221224;snsabot;Logged on 2017-08-29 18:19:28 asciilifeform: phf: 'Собрал царь зверей всех животных в лесу на поляне и говорит:   - Cегодня мы будем трахать тех, у кого рот маленький. Правильно ежик?   - Даааааа-Даааааа! - сказал ежик.    - А завтра мы будем трахать тех, у кого рот большой. Правильно 
1935664;1568221360;asciilifeform;'one day the king of all animals gathered his subjects in a forest clearing and said : 'today we shall anally punish those who have the smallest mouths. right, hedgehog?' 'Yaaaaa, Yaaaa!' said hedgehog. 'and tomorrow we shall anally chastise those who have the biggest mouths! 'hmm, hmm,' said hippo. ' )
1935665;1568221468;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935500 << the interesting bit is that if t had 'gotten out of bed each morning' to work as common draftsman, would have run ~0 risk of the dungeon. most of the 'king of all animals''s subjects did exactly that.
1935666;1568221468;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-11 02:15:54 mircea_popescu: the obverse of that "oh, stalin got tupolev back out of dungeon" coin is that BEFORE getting itno dungeon, cis-tupolev, the whole half million of them, had ONE DAMNED GOOD reason to get out of bed in the morning. "holy shit it's gonna happen to me", terror works. on short stretches at a time, but works.
1935667;1568221784;asciilifeform;stalin is remembered as effective king strictly because the war forced moderation of leukocyte. otherwise, he'd be remembered as exactly like e.g. emperor qin shihuangdi, who beheaded succession of 9000 alchemists for failing to produce elixir of immortality, until finally gave up in frustration and ate one , fulla hg salts
1935668;1568221809;feedbot;http://bingology.net/2019/09/11/uruguay-for-sale-or-keanu-sacks-the-plaza-independencia-grass/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Uruguay For Sale! Or Keanu Sacks The Plaza Independencia Grass...
1935669;1568222138;asciilifeform;( wasn't just airplane and rocket makers, either. gen. k. rokossovsky , was pulled out of gulag in '40, ended up instrumental in the defense of moscow; and leading the victory parade in '45. )
1935670;1568222189;asciilifeform;polack, incidentally.
1935671;1568222306;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile in local wanna be Stalins: ""Estamos dejando a los sordos y mudos fuera de la candidatura a la Presidencia. Estamos en desventaja. Se está poniendo en una situación de desventaja frente a otro" - Pedro Bordaberry
1935672;1568222328;BingoBoingo;Hard to tell if sarcastic or not
1935673;1568224233;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935522 << afaik 'b' won't work (unlike on x86)
1935674;1568224233;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-11 03:46:17 dorion: It appears to me the options are a) make a patch to boost to backport the aarch64 support , b) build the arm 32bit toolchain and 32bit bitcoind on rockchip and attempt to run there.
1935675;1568224265;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935524 << this is worth making a full copy of. trinque can you spare some disk space ?
1935676;1568224265;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-11 04:08:46 dorion: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934639 << I came across http://bbgentoo.ilb.ru/ , which appears to do a decent job of preserving distfiles. e.g. has nearly entire php-4.x series, except ~actual weightlifter~. even has php 2 and 3 tarballs. there is also what appears to be a portage tree dated 2011-01-31. I downloaded, but haven't yet cracked it open.
1935677;1568228787;bvt;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935426 << ty, works great
1935678;1568228788;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-10 22:55:05 trinque: as of now, I've retired ben_vulpes' paster in favor of my own.
1935679;1568228930;BingoBoingo;!!v E2B28CA76D58B59B4336354334A8EC5A947A66B27443A63B45C5BB502AC55A9A
1935680;1568229625;bvt;asciilifeform: today i had a quick look through stevens, apparently timeout for SO_KEEPALIVE is two hours (digging through linux source confirms), so i don't think this option is any useful as is; TCP_KEEPIDLE sets the keepalive timeout per-socket, but then there is a question to which extent to rely on all of these socket options.
1935681;1568230524;asciilifeform;!q uptime
1935682;1568230525;snsabot;asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 26d 5h 55m
1935683;1568230546;asciilifeform;bvt: i'm not convinced that any of the sock options are needed, aside from during reconnect (to keep 'zombie' socket from interfering w/ the living )
1935684;1568230695;bvt;i don't think that zombie socket can interfere with current code -- the local side of the socket gets unused random port automatically. this would be an issue only when bind(2) was called on socket before connect
1935685;1568230871;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/09/after-18-years-of-never-forget-us-still-at-war/ << Qntra -- After 18 Years Of "Never Forget" US Still At War
1935686;1568232616;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/cum-a-trait-ivan-evgheenievici/ << Trilema -- Cum a trait Ivan Evgheenievici.
1935687;1568234093;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935440 << you know it's leucosis. sys for SYStem, sis fo diSISease.
1935688;1568234093;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-10 23:37:58 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935205 << where is the leucosys threshold in diana_coman's view?
1935689;1568234167;*;asciilifeform waves to mircea_popescu 
1935690;1568234174;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how's the net pipe in that 15th c castle ?
1935691;1568234191;mircea_popescu;hehe, pics upcoming
1935692;1568234206;mircea_popescu;though not momentarily, long list of shit to see through.
1935693;1568234271;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935452 << conversion being traditionally this task that never ends.
1935694;1568234272;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-10 23:54:10 lobbes: will probably ammend the READMEs of all converters once this testing phase is over. For better clarity on expected irssi/znc log formats

1935695;1568234318;asciilifeform;grr reminds me, still gotta fix that 0x01 crud. ( bug that only shows up in live irc, not log, so i keep fughetting )
1935696;1568234361;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935457 << why ? as it happens, other log was open on http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2017-12-17#1752616 / http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2017-12-17#1752620 discussion, blessed by the fates as i find myself.
1935697;1568234361;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-11 00:29:16 asciilifeform: trinque: obv. mircea_popescu's (and for that matter anyone's) ratings are b/w him and odin. but imho to present the disappearance of phf as some kinda win, is disingenuous at best .
1935698;1568234361;snsabot;Logged on 2017-12-17 00:04:18 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how do you say "function that has derivate in every point" in englisch ?
1935699;1568234362;snsabot;Logged on 2017-12-17 00:05:49 mircea_popescu: i was using "continuous" to people's confused disbelief. apparently continuous just means "has value for all x in interval"
1935700;1568234364;asciilifeform;( on my terminal, shows up as rectangle w/ '01 01' at end of line )
1935701;1568234365;mircea_popescu;do you see the relationship ?
1935702;1568234430;mircea_popescu;presenting the disappearance of horse&buggy as some kind of win was not, factually an' historically, disingenuos. even if trains did in fact take a while to "achieve same or better coverage in all points".
1935703;1568234477;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if a hypothetical phylloxera-for-horses had hit in 1800, would, imho, have been problem.
1935704;1568234485;asciilifeform;even tho 'train coupla yrs away'
1935705;1568234532;mircea_popescu;some things were lost once the great man-o-wars made way for the not nearly as great clunkers called ironclads. and once people figured out wtf a sears-haack body is, planes suddenly became "flying coke bottles'
1935706;1568234568;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, yet there's two kinds of problems : the problems it's good to have, and the problems it's bad to have. what i said was that this is, actually, a problem that's good to have.
1935707;1568234580;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: interestingly, the finns ran iron-cum-sails clippers all the way into 1920s.
1935708;1568234580;mircea_popescu;not that the estimation's mandatory for anyone else. but, to ~my own lights~, etc.
1935709;1568234603;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, and the japanese still showed up on the field in wood paste armor. state of the art cca death of j. gracchus.
1935710;1568234625;asciilifeform;well wouldn't be interesting if were 'wood paste'. but they actually made nyc-helsinki in 2wks routinely.
1935711;1568234683;mircea_popescu;good for the finns.
1935712;1568234713;asciilifeform;( steam won because fast+reliable, not simply 'fast' . and apparently skilled navigator can make up the diff much of the time. but, 'phd assembly line', none alive nao. )
1935713;1568234788;mircea_popescu;this is the fundamental problem, and it has quite the wingspan : from the newton who, retardedly, eschews talking to people because he is smart, and he knows he's smart, and he likes to rely on "the claw" etc -- but who then does not know people, and this includes not knowing himself, and so this puts him in the ridiculous position where he ends up investing most of the metaphysica-earth-moving-shovel time into shoveling a
1935714;1568234789;mircea_popescu;ir ;
1935715;1568234869;*;asciilifeform suspects that herr newton is poor example -- fella did end up master of mint, and prolly not by sitting in locked office refusing to talk
1935716;1568234914;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log-search?q=basically%2C+all+the+architecture+systems+architects+have+managed+yet+to+produce+is+the+equivalent+of+%22we+need+10.1k+builders+-+100+to+build+and+10k+to+hold+up+the+walls+once+we%27re+done&chan=trilema <<
1935717;1568234944;mircea_popescu;to the typical atlas, [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-04-17#1908814][holding up a wall] on his back -- whether this be premature optimization or dependopopotamous investments, or phd-assembly line or whatever other the fuck nonsense
1935718;1568234947;snsabot;Logged on 2019-04-17 15:31:05 a111: Logged on 2016-04-07 17:50 mircea_popescu: basically, all the architecture systems architects have managed yet to produce is the equivalent of "we need 10.1k builders - 100 to build and 10k to hold up the walls once we're done".
1935719;1568235007;asciilifeform;'biznis world' luvvs 'hold up walls' so long as [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-14#1928544][can be done w/ 10k interchangeable php workers]
1935720;1568235008;snsabot;Logged on 2019-08-14 10:45:07 mp_en_viaje: this is also true, as a broad trend. it is unfortunate but true that the inept king prefers crossbowmen over archers, because archers take lifetime to train and dedication from puberty to craft, whereas crossbow can be operated by... outsourced labour. it takes a certain sort of short-sightedness to not notice the implicit band-of-brothers vs [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2018-07-12#1833989][your own nob
1935721;1568235092;mircea_popescu;all the way round to the archetipical anal child, sitting in his room "meditating" about "winning the lottery" -- because [http://trilema.com/2016/the-story-of-elliot-rodger-by-elliot-rodger-adnotated-part-eight/?b=Indeed&e=programmer#select][might as well].
1935722;1568235108;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, no, actually, newton became master of mint ~precisely~ thtrough not talking to anybody.
1935723;1568235136;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: hm, so kinda like lazar kaganovich in stalin's orcistan ?
1935724;1568235183;mircea_popescu;neways, this is the problem of our age ; and my lengthy foray into tlp (truth & fairness : only prior art extant on the topic), while unpleasant, has provided me with some insight : i dun think his diagnosis is correct. derealization, yes, a certain kind and flavour, yes. but not anymore narcissist in nature than self-loathing.
1935725;1568235188;asciilifeform;y'know, commissar of railroads, the 1 d00d who survived ~all of sovok w/out losing office 1nce, much less head, by having extraordinarily tight lip
1935726;1568235228;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, he was ~summoned~ to parliament, all he said over years was asking to close the windows because draft ; the comission he bought ~same way fox the quaker ended up in money : wealthy admirer took pity.
1935727;1568235262;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i knew the window story as a boy and always it was part of why respected newton.
1935728;1568235278;mircea_popescu;ofcourseitis.
1935729;1568235297;mircea_popescu;the reason's half stupid though ; and when i say that i don't mean the smart part's stupid.
1935730;1568235302;mircea_popescu;i mean the stupid part's stupid.
1935731;1568235320;asciilifeform;i'll be 1st to admit, i do not know the reason. (why he not talked)
1935732;1568235337;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, if you had a big cock and a small cunt, would you be a boy or would you be a girl ?
1935733;1568235354;asciilifeform;i'd call up barnum, lol
1935734;1568235359;asciilifeform;make bank.
1935735;1568235393;mircea_popescu;instead of perceiving the imbalance as a problem, an' applying the one working bit to fixing the non working bit -- he just swung the schlong around. died bitter, reportedly.
1935736;1568235413;mircea_popescu;the stoic in me is unsurprised at the result.
1935737;1568235456;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: some historians iirc convinced that newton's cock literally did not work
1935738;1568235466;mircea_popescu;but anyway, this is the poisonous promise of the specialisation : "oh, ye newton, jus' practice your maffs, no need to go out practicing your kissing"
1935739;1568235477;mircea_popescu;it's fucking stupid.
1935740;1568235684;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935460 << that's possibly the weirdest "cuz" i ever heard. what, you mean like in spiders ?
1935741;1568235684;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-11 00:31:02 asciilifeform: trinque: cuz we're both recluses .
1935742;1568236104;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935458 << i entirely see [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935230][no problem] with this. the obverse of "if it's worth doing it's worth doing well" is that if it's not good, it's not worth doing at all. the dedication's to the good not to the doing.
1935743;1568236104;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-11 00:30:19 asciilifeform: trinque: 2-3 moar 'wins' like this and what will be left , will be mircea_popescu writing his memoirs.
1935744;1568236104;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-09 11:53:01 mircea_popescu: it'll solve all the world's problems regardless : either through zeroing, or else through solving.
1935745;1568236147;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935464 << nobody's ever going to be replaced, dood, it's just not how this world works. what replaced.
1935746;1568236147;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-11 00:34:21 asciilifeform: it is very easy to say 'they were weak, fughet'em'. but fact remains, they were not replaced , of yet .
1935747;1568236346;mircea_popescu;the earth has been continuously inhabited by something rather like people for what, 20k generations or so ? each douche befouling the earth with his uneven gait and body odours today has thereby had 4e6k antecessors. yet the human population to date was never above 1e20, which happens to be the rounding error in that 6k.
1935748;1568236361;mircea_popescu;MOST of the people who could've ever been ... were not.
1935749;1568236382;mircea_popescu;most of the physically manifested genotypes amounted to notiong at all also.
1935750;1568236405;mircea_popescu;what replacement ? elliott had no children. like him -- legion of failures historically. how do you plan to replace elliott ?
1935751;1568236425;mircea_popescu;and leaving that contemplation to the side : how do you propose to get me interested in your replacement plans once formulated ?
1935752;1568236456;asciilifeform;for elliott, the tree stump outside my window is fully adequate replacement. rather ask, who will replace c. f. gauss .
1935753;1568236460;mircea_popescu;TO YOU
1935754;1568236475;mircea_popescu;to an arbitrary standard, my sock is an adequate replacement for the entire world.
1935755;1568236501;asciilifeform;( [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=405][oblig] re subj )
1935756;1568237699;mircea_popescu;bricklisp ftw.
1935757;1568238838;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935467 << the only merit to this theory is that it's lazyness-protective.
1935758;1568238839;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-11 00:39:04 asciilifeform: trinque: for my part, i remember'em as folx who did 1st class work, of the kind i suspect nobody born after '90 is able to do, full stop. but then ran outta steam. (why, i do not know.)
1935759;1568239106;mircea_popescu;i expect diana_coman 's stable will soon enough surpass all the supposed "utility" you hallucinate in the anal children (much like a demented old hoarder hallucinates "utility" in random junk) ; much like trilema in fact surpassed any [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2017-04-09#1641000][whisperer's monument], "[http://trilema.com/2013/nobody-could-have-foreseen-their-using-a-plane-like-a-rocket/][against odds]" etce
1935760;1568239108;mircea_popescu;tera.
1935761;1568239108;snsabot;Logged on 2017-04-09 18:03:45 mircea_popescu: dozenpeopleeighteenmonths!!!
1935762;1568239171;mircea_popescu;when it does, you'll still have your theories as to "recluses" and "irreplaceability", aka various names for self-appointed castration, "i am unchangeable" / "the world is unchangeable" bla bla bla girlytalk to keep you warm.
1935763;1568239182;mircea_popescu;and if it doesn't, exactly nothing has been gained whatsoever.
1935764;1568239242;mircea_popescu;these are the sorts of theories entirely spurious for being entirely useless. whenever it's one fo those 0-predictive power nonsense  & balls of yarn, "if it's true nothing's gained and if it's false the world's lost" you know you're in the presence of subconscious protection.
1935765;1568239359;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935475 << i promise you nobody;s asking you to.
1935766;1568239360;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-11 00:45:19 asciilifeform: but i aint about to nod to 'x was always trotskyist, we were mistaken from day 1 to involve him' logic.
1935767;1568239988;mircea_popescu;i do however find the stotting behaviour quite infuriating. so yes, in my book the sort of retard who "does great work for like a year" isn't scoring above the sort of retard who does no work. i'd much rather have tea with elliott than any of the historical time-limited editions specifically for this reason.
1935768;1568240074;asciilifeform;no one will ever say ' mircea_popescu is not consistent ' .
1935769;1568240102;mircea_popescu;let it be clearly stated thus, that even if it apparently works on asciilifeform as it traditionally works ~everywhere, the "oh, let me show you my wares" coy behaviour doth not work on me. what's gained for this "did 1st class work, then got sad" thing's rather low level enmity.
1935770;1568240146;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, maybe eventually, who knows!
1935771;1568240161;asciilifeform;so far a+++ consistent, like kalash.
1935772;1568240176;mircea_popescu;kalashsistent
1935773;1568240261;asciilifeform;( meanwhile, holyfuq is that xytable solid. i never expected for 100bux chinesium, to get item that can be happily used also as anvil . )
1935774;1568240770;asciilifeform;speaking of kalash, mircea_popescu what's this i hear re iliescu (ro eltsin) being tried in absentia for orchestrating the demise of shoemaker ?
1935775;1568240791;asciilifeform;wai nao , and whose idea, is such a thing , it seems lulzy
1935776;1568240840;asciilifeform;april '19, apparently .
1935777;1568243734;mircea_popescu;nfi,
1935778;1568243745;mircea_popescu;i honestly thought he was dead
1935779;1568243776;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: [https://archive.is/0llo2][orig lul re subj]
1935780;1568243789;mircea_popescu;but anyways, seems the ~only contribution of the social media generation to world affairs is guaranteed lulz-"convictions" of ~any older male politician
1935781;1568243851;mircea_popescu;pretty sure mccain'd have ended up "convicted" in just such a lulz "court" if he didn't have the foresight to braintumour first
1935782;1568243884;mircea_popescu;apparently vietcong comparatively humane socialism, he survived that ok. actually, with great beneficially.
1935783;1568243926;asciilifeform;the fella who 'oopsed' 4 jets + battleship ? difficult to picture him being tried for anyffin
1935784;1568243941;mircea_popescu;old age and alleged manhood. good enough.
1935785;1568247029;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935537 << ty kindly for the snippets. I did read that in the README, but thought that it perhaps may have been referring to the date in the -filename- since I couldn't find any knobs in my irssi that dealt with the 'header' formatting in the log itself. This saved my sanity
1935786;1568247029;ericbot;Logged on 2019-09-11 12:56:17 diana_coman: from your paste though, I suspect it's mainly that you missed that part of the README where it says months as NUMBERS.
1935787;1568247056;lobbes;I tried reading the actual script for clues, but too n00bish at awk still to make sense of it
1935788;1568261366;lobbes;ok, well confirmed that both the znc2tmsr and irssi2tmsr converters output to spec re: action lines. Looks like it is just the raw log knob. I will dig into it, fix, and patch
1935789;1568263866;lobbes;wow, this might end up being the smallest patch ever. forget one line, this is one character in one line! fix tested and worx. patch incoming..
1935790;1568267764;lobbes;well, I was wrong; still small patch, but ended up being > one char. Good thing I retested and reread
1935791;1568267848;feedbot;http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/09/raw_line_fixkvvpatch/ << lobbesblog -- raw_line_fix.kv.vpatch
1935792;1568267870;lobbes;asciilifeform: ^ for your testing and approval
1935793;1568267875;*;lobbes off to bed
1935794;1568273441;mircea_popescu;in other greats outside the walls : https://www.jassa.org/?p=10723 << this dude ~actually sourced~ an extremely rare (online, it is in the basic toolkit of any serious medievalist, excellent late 1800s edition bei Boretius/Krause (BK)) source (Inquisitio de theloneis Raffelstettensis, BK 253) and then translated it.
1935795;1568273503;mircea_popescu;the translation's far from terrible ; the item's important because a) it plainly discusses the slave trade (which, yes, underpinned most of the imperial economy eight years ago) and references a coin that's a.1) unatested anywhere else in the (voluminous, and pompous) imperial paperwork and a.2) isn't the official coin.
1935796;1568273526;mircea_popescu;not to put too fine a point on it : yes slave trade ; no dubaloos.
1935797;1568276772;diana_coman;interesting
1935798;1568277032;mircea_popescu;eight yeaes lol. i mean eight centuries.
1935799;1568277177;diana_coman;I can't find anything about the author(s?) there though, no contact no nothing.
1935800;1568277182;diana_coman;of the blog I mean, ofc.
1935801;1568277231;mircea_popescu;:p
1935802;1568277410;mircea_popescu;last article from the 9th, though, so he's active.
1935803;1568277418;mircea_popescu;i guess ima leave him a comment.
1935804;1568277468;diana_coman;aha, looks active at least
1935805;1568277508;diana_coman;meanwhile, after ~2 hours, I *finally* finished the log-reading of over-night logs, go me; it just strikes me that with #o I made myself even *more* to read, lol.
1935806;1568277518;mircea_popescu;but of course.
1935807;1568278674;mircea_popescu;spyked, you know what, re img pastebin ? i think im just going to revive ye ancient dtng service
1935808;1568281038;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, this acceptabru on ye pizarro ?
1935809;1568281225;mircea_popescu;(and since we're doing history : anyone know of a study describing anne hutchinson's self-evident influence upon the concept of a "witch" in the colonies, and retelling the "witch trials" as her necessary epiphenomenal epigonic downstream ?)
1935810;1568281881;mircea_popescu;(long story short, eugenie grandet of the colonies really really wants to impress le petit monsieur vane-charles, if not with a bit of cold pheasant for breakfast then at least with some gossip circle fireworks. needless to say the local bureaucrats weren't impressed with any of it.)
1935811;1568284122;mircea_popescu;trinque, pastes 504 ?
1935812;1568284218;mircea_popescu;also re http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934962 : evidently the correct equation is (27*3+10)^4 = 68574961, because both small and capital letters. 68mn should be plenty.
1935813;1568284218;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 16:45:11 mircea_popescu: 37^4 = 1874161, no way anyone's doing 2mn pastes/week
1935814;1568293725;trinque;looks to be working from here, sure you're using paste.deedbot.org (same IP as deedbot.org)
1935815;1568293738;*;trinque afk 'til later
1935816;1568297307;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-12#1935740 << ty lobbes ! i will test & emplace this today
1935817;1568297308;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-12 02:42:06 lobbes: asciilifeform: ^ for your testing and approval
1935818;1568297360;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-12#1935742 << pretty great link. surprised to see archaeologist like this writing in engl.
1935819;1568297361;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-12 04:14:57 mircea_popescu: in other greats outside the walls : https://www.jassa.org/?p=10723 << this dude ~actually sourced~ an extremely rare (online, it is in the basic toolkit of any serious medievalist, excellent late 1800s edition bei Boretius/Krause (BK)) source (Inquisitio de theloneis Raffelstettensis, BK 253) and then translated it.
1935820;1568297420;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-12#1935756 << it's a great idea imho. but prolly oughta be operated via commands in #t or similar , otherwise no amt of pipe or disk will ever suffice
1935821;1568297420;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-12 06:21:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, this acceptabru on ye pizarro ?
1935822;1568297533;asciilifeform;ha, pretty light log today.
1935823;1568301057;dorion;http://logs/nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935621 << thanks, but [http://archive.is/ZWhAV][the arm docs] say ARMv8-A has ARMv7-A (AArch32) compatibility
1935824;1568301058;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-11 14:34:47 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935522 << afaik 'b' won't work (unlike on x86)
1935825;1568301963;asciilifeform;dorion: interesting. i was for some reason certain that it didn't have a 32ism layer
1935826;1568302104;asciilifeform;dorion: have you tried this ?
1935827;1568302582;dorion;asciilifeform no Sir. hence my question: is it better to patch boost for arm64 support or build arm 32 bit bitcoind to run on rockchip ?
1935828;1568302673;asciilifeform;dorion: at some pt we'll definitely want a properly 64bit trb on arm, so can use >4GB. thing is, currently there appears to be no arm64 box on the market that actually has >4GB.
1935829;1568302694;dorion;it seems to me the latter is more straightforward, but that doesn't means it's better.
1935830;1568302712;asciilifeform;so in short term imho useful to build, supposing it'll run, the 32bit one
1935831;1568302767;asciilifeform;already in the 'pogo' experiment we had a working 32bit arm trb. so i expect it is doable with existing toolchain for 32-under-64.
1935832;1568302809;asciilifeform;you'll still need a box with at least 2GB ram, to operate usefully.
1935833;1568303042;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-12#1935766 << ikr!
1935834;1568303042;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-12 10:53:39 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-12#1935742 << pretty great link. surprised to see archaeologist like this writing in engl.
1935835;1568303081;mircea_popescu;was fully expecting russian to pop in at any moment. didn't see it ; but the topic is very central to rus' nationality research, a mirror of the novgorod-constsantiniople trade, this slavic over-the-danube thing. so not all hope is lost.
1935836;1568303085;mircea_popescu;besides, the coin's russian.
1935837;1568303146;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: he has some entirely good translations of ru texts. i ran into 1 piece where he has a 17th c. snippet, properly translated.
1935838;1568303147;dorion;asciilifeform: ok, thank you. I've looked into the pogo experiment and will adapt was needed. I have box with >2GB ram: the rockchip.
1935839;1568303159;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-12#1935768 << wat, i'm paying.
1935840;1568303160;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-12 10:54:38 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-12#1935756 << it's a great idea imho. but prolly oughta be operated via commands in #t or similar , otherwise no amt of pipe or disk will ever suffice
1935841;1568303271;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-12#1935775 << not that you asked me, but atm the better is to do both of these and report findings.
1935842;1568303271;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-12 12:20:41 dorion: asciilifeform no Sir. hence my question: is it better to patch boost for arm64 support or build arm 32 bit bitcoind to run on rockchip ?
1935843;1568303279;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: atm we still have 'kolhoz' bandwidth, i.e. 'all you can eat', but i expect if we put up an image paster it'll saturate the pipe 100% . ( naturally if mircea_popescu wants to make arrangements to get monster pipe specially for this experiment, i'ma work with him to make it go. but promises to be costly. )
1935844;1568303303;mircea_popescu;well, more of a "we cross that when we actually get to it whainot."
1935845;1568303318;mircea_popescu;iirc original item was bad, but not nearly trilema-bad
1935846;1568303367;asciilifeform;hey BingoBoingo , were you able to get data re [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-24#1930630][this] q ?
1935847;1568303367;snsabot;Logged on 2019-08-24 12:59:29 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i also would like to find what it'd cost to widen the pipe. AND how much currently is eaten, and by whom. i have dark suspicion currently that we're dangerously low on pipe.
1935848;1568303373;mircea_popescu;(then again trilema bad is a thing in its own class - for instance anyone recal lthe time of the deal wiht copypaste, when trilema served a few imgs on each page of the 8chan ever loaded ? came to astonishing amt)
1935849;1568303550;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i expect you'll want mechanical disks for this item. lemme know the types , will procure'em ( when the crate is flown, mircea_popescu will have 2 own boxen, the current smg , and its spare ; piz will have the 2 vacated boxen, which mircea_popescu can either purchase or lease , lemme know which prefer . ea. takes up to 4 disks . )
1935850;1568303579;mircea_popescu;can you put fast raid in there ?
1935851;1568303587;mircea_popescu;ie no parity
1935852;1568303593;asciilifeform;i.e. striped ? sure
1935853;1568303598;mircea_popescu;hardware ?
1935854;1568303637;asciilifeform;all piz x86 boxen have iron raid , w/ 4 hoses.
1935855;1568303660;asciilifeform;'3ware' type .
1935856;1568303663;mircea_popescu;very nice. so get then 4 whatever plate disks you folk recommend on the basis of your extensive experience with computer hardware, seagate ?
1935857;1568303682;asciilifeform;worx.
1935858;1568303695;mircea_popescu;and make them a strip raid. and this;ll be the trilema.org / dtng box then
1935859;1568303708;asciilifeform;got it.
1935860;1568303713;*;asciilifeform adds to purchase list .
1935861;1568303723;mircea_popescu;and if bw comes to grief, we can either further tune the software via same process trilema.org was invented anyway ; or else spand the pipe, we see theb
1935862;1568303738;*;mircea_popescu will confess all this is pretty fucking exciting.
1935863;1568303774;asciilifeform;at worst we'll simply use apache's throttle, aha. oughta work.
1935864;1568303798;mircea_popescu;reminds me of the time trinque stood me up the famous (har har) http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-25#1930911 box, in excitingness.
1935865;1568303799;snsabot;Logged on 2019-08-25 07:37:18 mircea_popescu: (yes, believe it or not, i ran a "all films reviewed on trilema" server for like... a year. to see if anything interesting happens. major pipe and everything, came to high four figures all told, mostly hardware, soem sweat to get it up.
1935866;1568303853;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, yeah, isn't light log a pleasure on tired eyes!
1935867;1568303860;asciilifeform;indeed
1935868;1568303891;*;mircea_popescu also never thought he'll live to have a use for pure stripped raid arrays.
1935869;1568303905;dorion;http://logs/nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-12#1935789 << yes Sir, thank you. I will proceed with the 32 bit build first, blog it, then circle back to see wh
1935870;1568303905;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-12 12:32:09 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-12#1935775 << not that you asked me, but atm the better is to do both of these and report findings.
1935871;1568303916;mircea_popescu;but this is the ideal application : trielma's backed up anyways, and losing dtng chanmaterial... well.
1935872;1568303935;dorion;*what has to be done with boost for aarch64 support.
1935873;1568304004;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if you want 100% striped (vs. e.g. 2x mirrored 2x striped ) i still recommend to think about how will back up such box. with the current pipe, backing up remotely e.g. 4TB, will take ~week (and that's if entire population of piz is idling)
1935874;1568304138;asciilifeform;a 100%-striped 4disk array will perish if even 1 disk dies.
1935875;1568304315;mircea_popescu;i have no intention of backing it up.
1935876;1568304321;mircea_popescu;if it croaks, it'll get reinstalled.
1935877;1568304337;asciilifeform;aite, then.
1935878;1568304346;mircea_popescu;attempting to put in production alf-formulated republican theoretical theosophy earlier, "spin up instance on spot" or however it went
1935879;1568304358;mircea_popescu;i confess as a merchant i have a literal and approximative grasp on theological arcana.
1935880;1568304429;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: we'll snapshot the os a la dulap/smg so can be done reasonably quickly, when disk goes.
1935881;1568304468;mircea_popescu;or rahter, if. incidentally, there's some way to read smart data ? i get oyu don't use the buttholes, but locally there still is a way yes ?
1935882;1568304545;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: on 3w : smartctl -a -d 3ware,x /dev/twa0  (where x is the hose #)
1935883;1568304585;asciilifeform;i do this regularly on own boxen, to determine which disk next to throw out & prophylactically swap
1935884;1568304648;asciilifeform;the 1 twist is, not all failures follow the expected rate (esp. on mech hdd)
1935885;1568304671;mircea_popescu;aha.
1935886;1568304740;asciilifeform;[http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=lCvv][example output].
1935887;1568304776;BingoBoingo;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-12#1935794 << Is the dtng box going to want its own line coming in?
1935888;1568304777;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-12 12:33:45 asciilifeform: hey BingoBoingo , were you able to get data re [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-24#1930630][this] q ?
1935889;1568304790;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: not initially. see whole thrd.
1935890;1568304807;*;BingoBoingo eating thread
1935891;1568305746;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, what's a line ?
1935892;1568305763;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: net pipe
1935893;1568305771;mircea_popescu;ah, absolutely not
1935894;1568305781;mircea_popescu;in fact i expect very little traffic tbg
1935895;1568305814;mircea_popescu;will be trilema.org/dtng meaning it'll still block bw leeching, meaning -0 interest from all the usual makers of something from nothing.
1935896;1568307871;BingoBoingo;I suspect the dtng resurrection is the way to do image pasting, seeing how everyone else constantly resurrects the broken less functional takes on the chan format
1935897;1568308572;BingoBoingo;In other news, Art Deco Today: http://archive.is/qMTzn
1935898;1568310695;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/59-particulars-laid-down-for-the-regulating-of-things-a-selection/ << Trilema -- 59 Particulars laid down for the Regulating of things. A selection.
1935899;1568312934;asciilifeform;ACHTUNG, panzers! lobbes , diana_coman , et al : reader.py on dulap updated to lobbes's raw-export-fix. [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3452][vtree page] updated w/ lobbes patch and lobbes , asciilifeform , sigs.
1935900;1568313385;asciilifeform;diana_coman i recommend to read & emplace this one, so lobbes & asciilifeform can resync from your /log-raw : the old export mechanism was apparently broken in the case of 'action' lines.
1935901;1568313410;diana_coman;asciilifeform: ok, added to the ever-growing list.
1935902;1568313419;asciilifeform;ty diana_coman
1935903;1568313474;*;asciilifeform not yet had to resync at all, hence never stepped on the mine.
1935904;1568313517;asciilifeform;( and apparently when diana_coman synced, got lucky, there were no 'actions' )
1935905;1568313550;diana_coman;asciilifeform: hm, kind of weird, in all #trilema logs no actions??
1935906;1568313581;asciilifeform;diana_coman: bug was specifically in /log-raw , rather than db (which iirc you ate wholesale, and then manually synced coupla lines during the interval remained )
1935907;1568313627;asciilifeform;see [http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/09/raw_line_fixkvvpatch/][lobbes's article] re where .
1935908;1568313828;asciilifeform;diana_coman: compare [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log-raw/trilema?istart=1935838&iend=1935839][w/fix] vs. [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log-raw/trilema?istart=1935838&iend=1935839][your current] to see the diff.
1935909;1568321057;*;lobbes needs to emplace own fix on production logs. Will do this now..
1935910;1568321309;diana_coman;lobbes: I'm getting a 503 on http://lobbesblog.com/src/logotron/raw_line_fix.kv.vpatch ?
1935911;1568321395;diana_coman;nm, works now.
1935912;1568322016;lobbes;kk
1935913;1568322074;lobbes;alright fix [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log-raw/trilema?istart=1935838&iend=1935839][emplaced on my own logz]
1935914;1568322108;lobbes;ty asciilifeform for testin' and signin'. (and ty diana_coman for helping me test earlier)
1935915;1568322168;lobbes;I still need to resync all of the borked log lines on my own logger, but that'll have to wait until a bit later.
1935916;1568322357;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-12#1935856 - fix deployed; and thank you lobbes for the fix!
1935917;1568322358;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-12 15:43:45 asciilifeform: diana_coman: compare [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log-raw/trilema?istart=1935838&iend=1935839][w/fix] vs. [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log-raw/trilema?istart=1935838&iend=1935839][your current] to see the diff.
1935918;1568329599;asciilifeform;diana_coman: tested, a++ worx
1935919;1568339334;asciilifeform;ACHTUNG, panzers : testing a small cosmetic fix to reader.py . if anyone notices oddities on whatever browser, plox to write in.
1935920;1568355208;mircea_popescu;first!
1935921;1568355216;mircea_popescu;how come everyone's up so early, anyways!
1935922;1568355249;mircea_popescu;o wait, that was from earlier. oook :D
1935923;1568355329;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: :p
1935924;1568355356;diana_coman;how come no log though, weird
1935925;1568356898;mircea_popescu;what log you mean ?
1935926;1568357092;mircea_popescu;holy shit i had to take out [] style links from my latest trilema draft.
1935927;1568357097;mircea_popescu;that format;'s infectious!
1935928;1568357622;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: as in: had nothing to read before breakfast! at all, eleventy11!
1935929;1568357639;mircea_popescu;it's the end of the world
1935930;1568357642;mircea_popescu;as we know it...
1935931;1568357652;diana_coman;I keep getting the order wrong on those damned [] and so having to check it every time
1935932;1568357670;mircea_popescu;same as for href = url, anchor.
1935933;1568357696;diana_coman;that should help, ty.
1935934;1568357697;mircea_popescu;(this is deliberately, so a whole field of one can be converted to the other without needing lookahead parsing, just s///g will suffice)
1935935;1568361247;bvt;lobbes: please test the following vpatch: http://bvt-trace.net/vpatches/active_disconnect.kv.vpatch http://bvt-trace.net/vpatches/active_disconnect.kv.vpatch.bvt.sig ; i'll have time for a writeup only on the weekend. this vpatch is only lightly tested so far.
1935936;1568362292;spyked;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-12#1935755 <-- neato! are these chan-boards open sores? prolly worth stealing the coad while at it.
1935937;1568362293;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-12 05:42:11 mircea_popescu: spyked, you know what, re img pastebin ? i think im just going to revive ye ancient dtng service
1935938;1568362309;mircea_popescu;spyked, i have a phpball somewhere from the fain days
1935939;1568362396;spyked;ah, cool
1935940;1568362531;auctionbot;Buy order # 1057 has ENDED: item as described in http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934605 and following. SOLD by lobbes for 100mn ecu. Attn: mircea_popescu
1935941;1568362531;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 04:57:27 mircea_popescu: so : who would like to do a spot of work for hire for me ? the ideea is to write and publish as a vpatch a stan logbot extension which a) processes search, through talking to a [presumably present] mysql server, and spitting out the results (formatted as in http://trilema.com/2019/
1935942;1568362590;mircea_popescu;lobbes, you know, it's technically speaking sold ~to~ lobbes.
1935943;1568362594;mircea_popescu;though i agree, a minor point.
1935944;1568362600;mircea_popescu;anyways -- when are we looking at delivery ?
1935945;1568362629;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934235 <-- iirc the irc spec states that server sends ping when client is idle. src: http://archive.is/2pGUp#selection-2315.60-2315.386 (should be under 4.6.2 Ping message)
1935946;1568362630;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 21:37:44 trinque: probably the situation was that most times server doesn't ping if client has already.
1935947;1568362870;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934834 <-- why ty! well, I'll have to remove the fonts from the theme when I genesize thetarpit, because binary.
1935948;1568362871;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 12:54:41 billymg: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1933994 << completely true, and i agree with asciilifeform, i'm a fan of The Tar Pit's theme (i'm also partial to trinque's theme)
1935949;1568364338;mircea_popescu;spyked, could also base64 i guess
1935950;1568365280;mircea_popescu;https://x001.imx.to/i/2017/06/21/594a9e018b233.jpg << in other news, dorcel's still pretty cool.
1935951;1568365297;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/successive-strata-of-castlebuilding-spoiler-they-decay-over-time-as-part-of-a-narrative-on-the-greatest-italian-circus-in-romania-and-teenage-sexuality/ << Trilema -- Successive strata of castlebuilding (spoiler : they decay over time) as part of a narrative on the greatest Italian circus in Romania and teenage sexuality
1935952;1568365846;spyked;hm, base64
1935953;1568365879;spyked;that might work, actually, given that the fonts don't ever change
1935954;1568370186;mircea_popescu;aha.
1935955;1568378859;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-13#1935883 << ty bvt! I will test this weekend (unless alf beats me to it)
1935956;1568378859;ericbot;Logged on 2019-09-13 07:55:02 bvt: lobbes: please test the following vpatch: http://bvt-trace.net/vpatches/active_disconnect.kv.vpatch http://bvt-trace.net/vpatches/active_disconnect.kv.vpatch.bvt.sig ; i'll have time for a writeup only on the weekend. this vpatch is only lightly tested so far.
1935957;1568378864;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-13#1935890 << Nein. I'm selling the ~work to you~ for 100mn ecu, hence sold ~by myself~ :D
1935958;1568378864;ericbot;Logged on 2019-09-13 08:17:25 mircea_popescu: lobbes, you know, it's technically speaking sold ~to~ lobbes.
1935959;1568378874;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-13#1935892 << now this I want to get right. I have a piss poor history of [http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/07/time-estimation-for-logotron-based-off-of-logbot-august-18th/][time estimation], so I don't trust myself atm to give a proper one.
1935960;1568378874;ericbot;Logged on 2019-09-13 08:17:35 mircea_popescu: anyways -- when are we looking at delivery ?
1935961;1568378885;lobbes;How's this: I'm going to begin by attacking [http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/09/the-mp-wp-bot-job-offer/#comment-91][Thing 2 in this comment (grr the new server-side selection does not work for comments it seems?)], after which I should have more info on my ability and the time it should take. I can give you a better estimate then I hope
1935962;1568378904;mircea_popescu;oh ic
1935963;1568378932;lobbes;wait, which do you see?
1935964;1568378943;mircea_popescu;the by / to
1935965;1568378946;lobbes;aa
1935966;1568378954;mircea_popescu;as to the rest, alright, i wait
1935967;1568379013;lobbes;re: the by /to, I remember that being figured out from the pizarro auctions
1935968;1568379014;mircea_popescu;i have pie, and sluts, and a whole web of plans and complots & conspiracies to alleviate the expectation
1935969;1568379022;lobbes;re: the rest aite! sounds like a plan
1935970;1568379028;lobbes;haha now that is a life
1935971;1568379035;mircea_popescu;maybe i'll just have the girls try on all the stockings in the house
1935972;1568379045;mircea_popescu;that should give you a dozen or so hours :D
1935973;1568379058;lobbes;thems a lot of stockings
1935974;1568379098;lobbes;well, I'm off to mines to do nothing as interesting. bbl
1935975;1568380062;feedbot;http://thewhet.net/2019/09/btmsr-comix/ << The Whet -- B,TMSR~ Comix
1935976;1568385453;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-13#1935883 << bvt you will need to regrind, you left out [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-12#1935847][yesterday's patch] from yer sequence
1935977;1568385455;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-13 04:38:29 bvt: lobbes: please test the following vpatch: http://bvt-trace.net/vpatches/active_disconnect.kv.vpatch http://bvt-trace.net/vpatches/active_disconnect.kv.vpatch.bvt.sig ; i'll have time for a writeup only on the weekend. this vpatch is only lightly tested so far.
1935978;1568385455;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-12 15:13:13 asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, panzers! lobbes , diana_coman , et al : reader.py on dulap updated to lobbes's raw-export-fix. [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3452][vtree page] updated w/ lobbes patch and lobbes , asciilifeform , sigs.
1935979;1568389372;feedbot;http://thetarpit.org/posts/y06/0a0-cl-www-summary.html << The Tar Pit -- Common Lisp WWWism summary
1935980;1568390947;mircea_popescu;lotta work spyked .
1935981;1568391165;mircea_popescu;you know, by the way, curl can make a heavy load for you any time you so feel like.
1935982;1568391234;mircea_popescu;"without much effort" isn't meaningful. "in one week of six hour days". something.
1935983;1568391467;mircea_popescu;anyway : i'm willing to bet migration ~will~ be trivial ; and i am very curious to find out why not if indeed not
1935984;1568391643;mircea_popescu;re echo '<a href="' . $url . '">' . $description . '</a>'; << nothing keeps you from doing print_url(x y z) if you want to. you'd have to define that function, of course, but this is true in lisp and any other language as well.
1935985;1568391677;mircea_popescu;the greater point being that ad hoc php by iliterates is not different from ad hoc perl or c or bash or lisp for that matter, why's it the computer's fault ?
1935986;1568391749;mircea_popescu;php CAN handle cascading templating, the reason it's never seen is because anyone who can be bothered to do such things is not there to do it, but too busy fucking tghemselves in the ass with obscure dildos ; in romanian this is called "pe cind se potcovea purecele cu 99 oca de fier la un picior".
1935987;1568391768;mircea_popescu;why'd a flea need that much iron shoeing ? lest it jumps too high, of course.
1935988;1568391811;mircea_popescu;but if you want to do things in the style of print(url, list-of-params) whereby print_url(list-of-params) is called printing the list as an url, you definitely can.
1935989;1568394978;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: interesting slavicism there, that horseshoe, potcoava, is really подкова (literally, 'under-smithing')
1935990;1568395018;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: is there a native romanicism that goes with it ? ( as in the 'vrem/timp' pair )
1935991;1568395146;asciilifeform;( [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2018-12-05#1878494][oblig] . )
1935992;1568395148;snsabot;Logged on 2018-12-05 10:04:37 asciilifeform: likes marshak's translation 9000x better than the orig. 'Не было гвоздя -Подкова Пропала. / Не было подковы - Лошадь Захромала./ Лошадь захромала - Командир Убит./ Конница разбита -- Армия Бежит. / Враг вступает в город,/ Пленных не щадя, / Оттого, что в кузнице
1935993;1568397164;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-13#1935874 << when lobbes bakes a phpistic parser for these, could put in mp's-wp then ?
1935994;1568397165;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-13 03:29:14 mircea_popescu: holy shit i had to take out [] style links from my latest trilema draft.
1935995;1568398364;asciilifeform;lobbes: added ericbot to colourizer list .
1935996;1568398534;asciilifeform;[http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=KQl6][current list on dulap] .
1935997;1568398758;diana_coman;ha, there should be a botbot :P ty asciilifeform for the list, I'll update mine too.
1935998;1568398909;asciilifeform;diana_coman: yw. when we crack the [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-29#1931856][url puzzler] and import era1 , will also need historic bots in there.
1935999;1568398909;snsabot;Logged on 2019-08-29 03:37:54 mircea_popescu: dun have to be solved today, we'll live for quite a while as it stands.
1936000;1568399519;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, nope, slavic only.
1936001;1568399730;mircea_popescu;Șăineanu (1920s) actually gives your exact etymology,  [Slav. PODŬKOVŬ, din PODŬ, subt, și KOVATI, a făuri].
1936002;1568399925;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: did ro ever have a 'lang purification' wankmovement a la greeks, czechs, norwegians ?
1936003;1568399939;asciilifeform;'get the barbarisms out!11'
1936004;1568399984;mircea_popescu;notrly. they did however do an idiotic antisemitism thing ; the guy is actually Eliezer Schein ; and other than one of the precious few, subdozen romanian linguists ever worth the mention, aslo spent most of his life trying to be naturalized and not managing
1936005;1568399987;mircea_popescu;eventually moved to france.
1936006;1568400087;asciilifeform;funnily enuff the j00z in nyc did have one, they iirc tried to standardize a yiddish minus slavicisms post-war
1936007;1568400109;mircea_popescu;the reason rotards didn't do, incidentaly, is not wisdom but idiocy : so many [http://trilema.com/2011/stimata-academie/][completely iliterate] attempts to "systematize" lang, there was no fucking need or rather, practical possibility of directed activity like you're describing
1936008;1568400109;asciilifeform;(made approx as much sense as to try an' standardize navajo, but nobody asked asciilifeform)
1936009;1568400144;mircea_popescu;much like the man on pcp running up and down the sidewalk punching out imaginary flying trees is way too busy to kill himself properly speaking.
1936010;1568400164;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: was asking re attempts, rather than success ( consider the greeks' 'success' )
1936011;1568400208;mircea_popescu;yes, but need a certain conceptual stability to attempt. i suppose the most systematic was late 1800s, latinization a la i h radulescu.
1936012;1568400214;mircea_popescu;was broadly derrided as insane.
1936013;1568400235;asciilifeform;they pounded on it until the pins bent and it went in, eh
1936014;1568400255;mircea_popescu;"degitlegau" (lit, ofnecktierer) instead of the "alien" cravata (tie)
1936015;1568400283;mircea_popescu;nobody ever used it other than for humour tho
1936016;1568400304;asciilifeform;!q s uncleftish beholding
1936017;1568400314;snsabot;[http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log-search?q=uncleftish%20beholding&chan=trilema][1 results for "uncleftish beholding" in #trilema]
1936018;1568400318;mircea_popescu;aa.
1936019;1568400320;mircea_popescu;aha*
1936020;1568400414;mircea_popescu;btw, happy friday the 13th
1936021;1568400427;asciilifeform;[http://www.loper-os.org/pub/uncleft.txt][ftr, the subj.]
1936022;1568400439;asciilifeform;and ty mircea_popescu !
1936023;1568404083;feedbot;http://thewhet.net/2019/09/easterly-travelogue/ << The Whet -- Easterly Travelogue
1936024;1568408947;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/09/taliban-asserts-their-readiness-to-continue-war-for-another-century-so-long-as-us-continues-forcing-war-on-afghanistan/ << Qntra -- Taliban Asserts Their Readiness To Continue War For Another Century So Long As US Continues Forcing War On Afghanistan
1936025;1568417695;BingoBoingo;En lul https://preview.redd.it/poj1udxrrfm31.png?width=964&auto=webp&s=31c8ed74b64055422bc8c5fe2268bb9d0c8814b5
1936026;1568424407;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 'archived' link missing ?
1936027;1568425322;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Link added
1936028;1568425775;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-13#1935941 << notbad idea for a follow-up patch. I'll have to shelve it until I deliver the main product tho
1936029;1568425775;ericbot;Logged on 2019-09-13 17:53:40 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-13#1935874 << when lobbes bakes a phpistic parser for these, could put in mp's-wp then ?
1936030;1568425776;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-13 03:29:14 mircea_popescu: holy shit i had to take out [] style links from my latest trilema draft.
1936031;1568425787;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-13#1935943 << ty!
1936032;1568425787;ericbot;Logged on 2019-09-13 18:13:40 asciilifeform: lobbes: added ericbot to colourizer list .
1936033;1568432328;lobbes;!!key jfw
1936034;1568432328;deedbot;Not registered.
1936035;1568432468;lobbes;trinque: seems like this fella was having issues registering his key http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=UFHE
1936036;1568432866;lobbes;In other news, I wish this mp-wp-bot already existed. I've been trying to locate a Trilema piece for this post I'm working on, and I must've gone through a few dozen by now with no luck.
1936037;1568432878;lobbes;I believe it talks about the limit of existence in a socialist world. There's a specific phrase in it that goes something like "You'd better make sure you negotiate for what you want, because that is *all* you are getting. Ever." Any Trilema-ologists in know it?
1936038;1568432917;lobbes;in the meantime I'ma have to continue without the link I guess
1936039;1568432977;asciilifeform;lobbes: http://trilema.com/2015/heres-what-they-dont-tell-you-when-they-bring-you-those-papers-to-sign/#selection-119.156-119.326
1936040;1568433016;asciilifeform;^ plucked from log, so has the old select. but that's the item
1936041;1568433026;lobbes;asciilifeform: yes! thank you
1936042;1568433032;asciilifeform;yw
1936043;1568433124;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1935983 << lobbes y'know the bot quotes all chans
1936044;1568433124;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-14 00:25:35 lobbes: trinque: seems like this fella was having issues registering his key http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=UFHE
1936045;1568433148;asciilifeform;[http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-09-14#1000305][subj].
1936046;1568433148;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-14 00:21:30 jfw: I seem to be having trouble registering with deedbot, but in the mean time I'm http://welshcomputing.com/jfw.asc and [http://welshcomputing.com/jfw-key-trans-2019.asc][a bridge from a prior key]
1936047;1568433267;*;asciilifeform bbl:meat.
1936048;1568433548;lobbes;that snippet was from my PM convo with him. Figured I'd throw it in for moar context
1936049;1568435952;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935529 << there's about zero chances i'll tell someone what to do with things that don't interest me. i mean it's not even fucking possible, altogether, by reason of logical inconsistency : if you're not interested in a toy, how the fuck can you summon the basis upon which to tell others what to do with it ? if you're interested then the same thing upon which that interest
1936050;1568435952;mircea_popescu; is based will inform the ought discussion, sure ; but absent that... just, how ?!
1936051;1568435953;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-11 09:23:33 diana_coman: there is always (and still available and I'd like to see it taken by phf, yes) the place in other castles; so I suppose, if one must answer the question, the threshold as I see it atm = reaching to ban from *other* castles.
1936052;1568436139;mircea_popescu;in fact, breaking this distinction is truly the one deep problem with all sorts of "religious" thinkers in their own view, aka unmitigated morons in reality : the traditional position of the [http://trilema.com/2011/oricine-poate-sa/][mula], intellectually impossible as it is, stands as "i'm not interested in sin therefore here's what you must do about it".
1936053;1568436244;mircea_popescu;this shocking bit of imbecility unites across all times and all geography idiotic old women from [http://trilema.com/2019/59-particulars-laid-down-for-the-regulating-of-things-a-selection/][george fox] to [http://trilema.com/2012/trolodb-top-250-movies-of-all-time-profit/?b=Baba&e=militara#select][cioran's hag with dirty feet].
1936054;1568436353;mircea_popescu;notwithstanding its manifest popularity among the most perdurant and pervasive type of hostis humani generis, it's still impracticable insanity.
1936055;1568436710;mircea_popescu;if i'm gonna want to learn about sex ima ask rapists not "careerwomen", and if i'm gonna want to learn about war ima visit hitler not "pacifists", "[http://trilema.com/2014/in-which-we-read-adam-gurri/?b=no%20such&e=feminism#select][global hunger fixers]" an' the rest of [http://trilema.com/2014/agency-and-other-notes/][that very sad lot].
1936056;1568436731;mircea_popescu;aw damn, i put the links in backwards.
1936057;1568436792;mircea_popescu;anyways.
1936058;1568436855;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935538 << it'd have been very hard to do, also, considering he never published anything.
1936059;1568436856;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-11 09:44:24 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935455 - fwiw I don't think anyone contested the quality of the technical work done by phf.
1936060;1568436857;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-11 00:43:20 asciilifeform: trinque: [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935131][orig. contention], which i disputed. phf was 1 of the very, very few people whose hands grew from right place, and it will take very long time to replace , not even speaking of the full functionality of the orig. bot ( still not had ) but of e.g. the vpatch viewer, which i use erry fucking day of the week
1936061;1568436858;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-09 05:21:49 mircea_popescu: imagine, all this flurry of exciting new development could have been occuring in 2017, if i had the sense to kick phf out on his rear in 2017, rather than let him sit his dumb ass on us for two years.
1936062;1568436881;mircea_popescu;holy shit cascading references! neato!
1936063;1568436975;mircea_popescu;but yes, to say it plainly : i don't agree phf was some kind of technical monument or example to be followed. making things that work does not enact one into such ; observe that every frog makes things that work, extremely fine things that work extremely well, viz the very fucking frog in question. yet a frog that can breathe is an ordinary frog, not an exceptional engineer.
1936064;1568437101;mircea_popescu;there's http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-03#856336 / http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-03#856338 distinction bearing here : if one's notion of technical acument doesn't include "describing the things", every dog's an engineer nonpareil for having fleas.
1936065;1568437101;a111;Logged on 2014-10-03 04:07 mircea_popescu: this is the difference between invention and daydreaming, something my mother explained to me when i was like 6
1936066;1568437101;a111;Logged on 2014-10-03 04:08 mircea_popescu: and i wanted to know if when someone invents something, they have to also say how it's to be made
1936067;1568437150;mircea_popescu;one [http://trilema.com/2014/the-complexity-of-life-a-triad/][can't quite] make fleas in the lab as things stand right now, so in this utterly jeffersonian view the ploughsman's the only true scientist.
1936068;1568437345;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936006 << keccak-vdiff ?
1936069;1568437347;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-14 01:38:41 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935538 << it'd have been very hard to do, also, considering he never published anything.
1936070;1568437419;asciilifeform;afaik was the 1 and only properly vpublished piece of his tho ( unless count '15 ext. to asciilifeform's 'shiva' proggy.. )
1936071;1568437577;asciilifeform;d00d was ( and past tense, seems to have stopped twitching ~mo. ago? ) strangely phobic of posting progs
1936072;1568437644;mircea_popescu;(incidentally, for the linguist interested in the natural evolution of alphabetic language into hieroglyphic, such as both egyptian and chinese naturally ended up in the shit [damn][after being used as languages for long enough], tironian notes provide the necessary bridge)
1936073;1568437661;mircea_popescu;^ link above should be alf's "only so many lines of code within before madness", but i can't find it.
1936074;1568437667;mircea_popescu;trying to find it i discovered http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log-search?q=%22a+b%22&chan=trilema
1936075;1568437682;mircea_popescu;why's the http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-07-06#1921930 returned, it has no "a b" in there ; and why's it not bolded ?
1936076;1568437683;snsabot;Logged on 2019-07-06 04:42:12 BingoBoingo: The particular election rabbit hole I've just about completely explored is how "book club" party with an uncontested internal managed ~50 kilovotes for recently fired former commander in chief Guido Manini Ríos Stratta whose only firm platform position seems to be no "reform" of the military retirement system and softer position declaring "Army on streets is good"
1936077;1568437751;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, didactica aside, i dunno any of his production was even vaguely visible. i mean, you realise trilema still runs to this very fucking day on code published in what was it, 2015,
1936078;1568437805;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'ma have to see when i'm awake, possible oddity
1936079;1568437815;mircea_popescu;whatever, just as soon as it was even vaguely possible one might've had some use for it. and this is ~deeply unsexy~, mind, i ain't publishing boihood-conventional "cool stuff & frank zappa" here. i'm publishing the most shameful thing known to the wankastery collective, and then end up having to "battle" nonsense of "oh, mp is intellectually stunted, can't install linux" because of it
1936080;1568437821;mircea_popescu;not that i mind, but there IS a difference.
1936081;1568437915;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-02-07#1893456 re loc
1936082;1568437918;snsabot;Logged on 2019-02-07 14:22:35 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a greybeard once told asciilifeform , 'you dun know it, but you got finite # loc in you, once you've written them will stand the machine no moar and have to move to forest and eat bark'. i'm not even convinced that it was joke.
1936083;1568437942;mircea_popescu;ty
1936084;1568437949;asciilifeform;np
1936085;1568438307;asciilifeform;ftr i cannot, try as i might, understand the publication-phobiac folx. when you sit on the proggy, all yer doing is making sure that others will spit on your grave, 'grr, fucker, because of him i have to write the 17th logotron nao'
1936086;1568438414;mircea_popescu;people never thing properly of anything.
1936087;1568438448;mircea_popescu;the reason so much misdesign exists in the world is the imbecile puritan "[http://trilema.com/2009/think-positive-si-mori-de-foame/][think positive]" nonsense.
1936088;1568438458;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936012 << 'describe' is very difficult. or maybe i'm thick. but i wrote pieces that were >50% commentola by weight and when rereading still sad, 'this is not properly described'.
1936089;1568438459;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-14 01:42:47 mircea_popescu: there's http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-03#856336 / http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-03#856338 distinction bearing here : if one's notion of technical acument doesn't include "describing the things", every dog's an engineer nonpareil for having fleas.
1936090;1568438488;mircea_popescu;correct thinking consists of thinking ~about the negative space~. not about the positive space. not "oh hurr durr it works", ffs.
1936091;1568438544;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, standard wasn't ~properly~ described. standard was described at fucking all, i don't need to explain the difference between your logger which diana_coman 's running now and phf's alleged logger which, for all anyone knows, consists of one mechanical turk who meanwhile got sad / ran away.
1936092;1568438564;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: when wrote 'm', actually spent many days rewriting the commentary. but today when looking at it, 'who can read this? why?' and sad.
1936093;1568438572;mircea_popescu;don't be.
1936094;1568438652;asciilifeform;it was enheartening tho when diana_coman ate ffa 1-19 and commented. apparently it was edible by at least 1 . (even if took a maffs doctor )
1936095;1568438664;mircea_popescu;to continue "publication-phobic folks" thread : difference between mouse and man is that moue will eat itself into overweight to the point where can't, famously, get back out through the hole it came in.
1936096;1568438677;mircea_popescu;man will consider, "oh nice, there's nine pies here, i'm still going to have ONE SLICE".
1936097;1568438697;mircea_popescu;and like this in everything -- man will say "i can't fucking sit on all this, people will spit on grave IF ONE DAY IT HAPPENS i'm incapacitated".
1936098;1568438797;*;asciilifeform writes proggies as a kind of will / seppuku haiku. 'friends, here is how to operate, for i am not among...' flavour.
1936099;1568439490;mircea_popescu;man will say "i can't sit about pretending to myself i've a gf, if [http://trilema.com/2019/a-nickels-worth-of-clues/][in case something should happen] this [http://trilema.com/2016/the-story-of-elliot-rodger-by-elliot-rodger-adnotated-part-one/][Maddy Humphreys] woman doesn't know enough of me to mention the circumstance in the one place that matters in my life"
1936100;1568439515;mircea_popescu;man, generally speaking, WILL THINK OF THE NEGATIVE SPACE.
1936101;1568439532;mircea_popescu;wtf, how hard is it and how the fuck could it not be obvious.
1936102;1568439608;mircea_popescu;not "do i want a jetski" but "what will i do with a jetski in akron, ohio" and "how will i pay the cc bill or why should i have to".
1936103;1568439663;mircea_popescu;negative fucking space ffs, it used to be called thinking back when my grandfather could barely read ; now that all everyone does all day is "read" [http://trilema.com/2015/heres-what-you-dont-know-or-understand-about-facebook-everything/][facebook] somehow magically nobody can think anymore ?
1936104;1568439665;mircea_popescu;well why the fuck not@
1936105;1568440092;feedbot;http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/09/the-next-phases-of-escape/ << lobbesblog -- The next phases of escape
1936106;1568440459;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935541 << i suspect this is exactly right, actually ; at least it was read so, judging by the natural rejoinder the immutable machine readily [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935230][produced].
1936107;1568440460;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-11 09:52:19 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935464 - hm, this sounds to me like the fundamental difference causes/purposes all over again; you are looking at what is needed (work done and done well!) and that's your start, so you build backwards, ending up with basically "too needed to fail" sort of thing.
1936108;1568440460;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-09 11:53:01 mircea_popescu: it'll solve all the world's problems regardless : either through zeroing, or else through solving.
1936109;1568440460;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-11 00:49:58 asciilifeform: it is very easy to say 'they were weak, fughet'em'. but fact remains, they were not replaced , of yet .
1936110;1568440491;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935544 << yes. theirs.
1936111;1568440491;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-11 11:19:51 asciilifeform: diana_coman: let's reformulate. it takes a very long time to produce 1st class people. (as a pedagogue, you know this.) if they burn up faster than they are produced -- this is a problem.
1936112;1568440511;mircea_popescu;no solving problems through group.
1936113;1568440646;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935554 << it's not like it's fucking arbitrary, might as well ask sums to "moderate themselves", why not, write letter to factorial, "dear factorial, your results are computationalyl challenging, and it is unfair to most numbers above 10 or so that they can never feel safe in being followed up by an exclamation point like their single-digit bretheren. why won't you moderat
1936114;1568440646;mircea_popescu;e ryour output ?!"
1936115;1568440647;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-11 11:52:55 diana_coman: asciilifeform: for the other thing, the situation you describe can indeed very well happen and yes, a problem, but the solution can never be "restrain your adverse reaction"
1936116;1568440687;mircea_popescu;the only law is this : that if you don't want to have to write 3600 digits, don't fucking start with 1337!
1936117;1568440868;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935558 <<=>> http://trilema.com/2019/a-nickels-worth-of-clues/#comment-130687 "
1936118;1568440868;mircea_popescu;Yes, obviously, as per long standing republican doctrine (and standing as such since long before this particular republic was even declared) the lord can get away with bloody murder. Of course he can. But this doesn't mean it's not murder, or not bloody."
1936119;1568440869;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-11 12:14:35 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935555 << take for instance [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935512][this]. very easy to condemn phf for losing logger for week; but what about errybody else, who happily put up with a single-machine, unpublished-src logger for years ?
1936120;1568440920;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935561 << unlike phf, holding a torch of oneitis for some pantsuit chick that likely couldn't pick him out of a line-up, i should hope the texan has enough fucking sense to actually manage his household as his own.
1936121;1568440920;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-11 12:15:28 asciilifeform: for that matter, we still have a system like this -- deedbot. is trinque doomed to same fate as phf, if he ever 'gets lucky' and trapped on cannibal island , and it takes him a week to knife his way out ?
1936122;1568440934;mircea_popescu;and if he doesn't, yes, very much exactly beheaded in the same way for the same reasons.
1936123;1568440943;mircea_popescu;but until we find out, WE DO NOT CARE.
1936124;1568440957;mircea_popescu;that's why he's the lord of over there : so you don't have to be.
1936125;1568440965;asciilifeform;!q s phenolphthalein won't forgive
1936126;1568440972;snsabot;[http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log-search?q=phenolphthalein%20won%26apos%3Bt%20forgive&chan=trilema][0 results for "phenolphthalein won't forgive" in #trilema]
1936127;1568440979;asciilifeform;hrm.
1936128;1568441009;asciilifeform;must be era1.
1936129;1568441013;mircea_popescu;possibru
1936130;1568441262;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935562 << he has this weird approach to discussing all approaches to problem that'd pass for offensive anywhere else. here it's just weird -- but yes, it is fucking weird.
1936131;1568441263;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-11 12:20:12 diana_coman: asciilifeform: that wasn't at all the issue and it has been already pointed out to you several times, here and  on trilema.com
1936132;1568441287;mircea_popescu;i suppose it is also terse, missing out on about 2/3 of the introductions does save some space.
1936133;1568441332;mircea_popescu;i don't expect anyone can actually talk to alf who isn't both very intellectualyl lively and has a lot of experience talking to alfs. which technically is the definition of autism, i guess.
1936134;1568441413;mircea_popescu;come to think about it ... yo asciilifeform , do you realise about 9/10ths of trilema the blog by mass is spurious introduction, which i could very well "do without" by employing a similar tironian process, except then nobody in the whole fucking world could follow what the fuck's being said anymore ?
1936135;1568441507;mircea_popescu;not that very many manage even as it is -- but i'll be fucked with thistlestalks before i make that 9/10ths 19/20ths, holy hell, i'll need spare wrists.
1936136;1568441854;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935581 << of course the trigger was the trigger. what's in a trigger ? my neighbour has this eight year old dog. it's a large dog, and in large dogs eight is pretty much the end of the line. it's coming for her, too, three or four times already she passed out running / fell over, sat there squirming in desperation. heart's giving out.
1936137;1568441855;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-11 12:56:02 asciilifeform: diana_coman: the trigger for the entire episode. was the loss of the logger .
1936138;1568441898;mircea_popescu;it's how large dogs die, as this one'll die. and when it dies, whatever the fuck will have been ~the trigger~. whatever the fuck inconsequential event, a car honking, a cat jumping, a bad dream, things that happen daily to other dogs to no ill effect.
1936139;1568441963;mircea_popescu;it's a dog, though, it has no fucking idea it's walking about looking for that final trigger.
1936140;1568442017;mircea_popescu;it doesnt' even understand what the fuck's happening to it when it passes out, seems rather like a ~momentary~ inexplainable nonsense / witchcraft best not ever considered past the moment, forgotten as soon as it passed as part and parcel of what being a dog even is ; there's no anxious dogs because dogs have no memory in this reflexive sense.
1936141;1568442032;mircea_popescu;men do.
1936142;1568442067;mircea_popescu;in fact, the whole http://trilema.com/2013/for-lack-of-a-nail/ thing is exactly this : a succession of triggers.
1936143;1568442206;mircea_popescu;in any case, let's just say that trigger avoidance is a comparatively poorer strategy
1936144;1568442344;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935593 << traditionally the process in dealing with personal failure is 1. "here's what i did wrong" ; 2. "here's what ima do to not do that again in the future".
1936145;1568442345;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-11 13:17:36 asciilifeform: diana_coman: changed how ? grow extra pair of hands ? a tree-proof arse ?
1936146;1568442399;mircea_popescu;coversely, the process of being an imbecile is 1. "here's what i don't like about you" initiating half of the [http://trilema.com/2018/the-retards-handshake/][retard's handshake].
1936147;1568442409;mircea_popescu;which of these two would you propose was followed here ?
1936148;1568442487;mircea_popescu;dood to this fucking day imagines himself a "basically decent" fellow who "was oppressed" by the meanies of this world for "his bad luck". because [http://trilema.com/2015/recursive-dunning-kruger/][idiocy comes in layers], lucifer went straight to hell thinking himself i nthe right on the same exact process also. it's a thing.
1936149;1568443300;mircea_popescu;as a sure-fire heuristic, only dumb cunts discover "they were abused" as a disavowed result misrepresented as driving cause of contemplating how they fucked up.
1936150;1568443370;mircea_popescu;and THIS is what's meant by "if you hang out with retards you'll become retarded" : dude spent so much time with the ustards, he is now behaving like a stupid cunt. his discovery of having fucked up doesn't lead to "omfg, i fucked up SO BAD". it leads to "oh, republic is abusive".
1936151;1568443448;mircea_popescu;and it's self-perpetuating, too. if i take the trouble to actually write a trilema piece for his dumb ass, something absolutely nobody's entitled to expect, the result's more elaborate disavowal and general cuntery, rather than an awakening to sense.
1936152;1568443468;mircea_popescu;because duh, "nobody ever got hanged for being a stupid cunt", the foundational myth of the inca state.
1936153;1568444785;mircea_popescu;unrelatedly : hey trinque, now that there's actually multiple functional castles the time's prolly come to update the deedbot voice model into awareness of this situation. so how about a patch making voice in #trilema dependent on ~my~ wot, rather than deedbot's own ; and similarily in any castles that ask for it / you come to an understanding with the lords thereof, so they can use the voice model there if they wanna.
1936154;1568444827;mircea_popescu;this way the ad-interim imaginaria of a bot's wot can be put back on the shelf where it belongs.
1936155;1568444871;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1935997 - makes sense; and it's precisely why I'd see it as a sign of disease btw because it... is.
1936156;1568444871;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-14 01:39:18 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935529 << there's about zero chances i'll tell someone what to do with things that don't interest me. i mean it's not even fucking possible, altogether, by reason of logical inconsistency : if you're not interested in a toy, how the fuck can you summon the basis upon which to tell others what to do with it ? if you're interested then the same thing upon which t
1936157;1568444871;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-11 09:23:33 diana_coman: there is always (and still available and I'd like to see it taken by phf, yes) the place in other castles; so I suppose, if one must answer the question, the threshold as I see it atm = reaching to ban from *other* castles.
1936158;1568445269;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936040 - hey, glad to hear it actually! it was wholesome food (and no maffs-doctor here, fwiw the maffs in it are undergraduate level I'd say, not more).
1936159;1568445269;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-14 02:24:17 asciilifeform: it was enheartening tho when diana_coman ate ffa 1-19 and commented. apparently it was edible by at least 1 . (even if took a maffs doctor )
1936160;1568445320;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935597 << that's kinda lulzy, seeing how you're the only one who did this iirc ?! no need for the guilt trip though : only children organise their movement through the world by the path of less beatings.
1936161;1568445320;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-11 13:19:15 asciilifeform: diana_coman: no, i actually buy your summary, 'd00d wouldn't fucking talk'. but i'm also willing to ask ~why~ didn't talk ? maybe because erry time he opened the door, there was a beating behind it ?
1936162;1568445362;mircea_popescu;kinda the importance of beatings in the harem -- it sweats the women out of the little girls.
1936163;1568445845;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936099 - this would be great because I've been quite apprehensive of rating pageboys at all because it comes with talking-rights here while they are not yet ready.
1936164;1568445845;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-14 04:06:31 mircea_popescu: unrelatedly : hey trinque, now that there's actually multiple functional castles the time's prolly come to update the deedbot voice model into awareness of this situation. so how about a patch making voice in #trilema dependent on ~my~ wot, rather than deedbot's own ; and similarily in any castles that ask for it / you come to an understanding with the lords thereof, so they can use the voice model there if the
1936165;1568445914;mircea_popescu;where the fuck's that lobbes comment re calling girls/sluts/etc ? not on blog not in log wtf, it was lik last week
1936166;1568445980;mircea_popescu;it's obviously [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936111][to be done by the master's hand] and none other, which is why that entire lisp obscura grilling was so bizarre ; but whatever, growing pains.
1936167;1568445980;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-14 04:09:41 mircea_popescu: where the fuck's that lobbes comment re calling girls/sluts/etc ? not on blog not in log wtf, it was lik last week
1936168;1568446027;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, might still have to make soem kind of two-tiered system, because im not going to either unrate most everyone i have rated now nor let any and all talk. so i guess ima have two keysets ? nfi.
1936169;1568446072;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: in comments at http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/09/the-mp-wp-bot-job-offer/
1936170;1568446081;mircea_popescu;o ty!
1936171;1568446107;mircea_popescu;http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/09/the-mp-wp-bot-job-offer/#comment-92 indeed.
1936172;1568446176;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: would a threshold on your rating of the person make more sense?
1936173;1568446182;mircea_popescu;that scary moment when one notices the TWO most recent items in trilema comments queue are trackbacks from other people's blogs.
1936174;1568446194;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, you think ?
1936175;1568446208;mircea_popescu;i mean, i see the merit, but isn't this rather tcp-style overloading of adhocisms ?
1936176;1568446231;mircea_popescu;is there actual substantial meaning translated thereby ? /me shall have to meditate
1936177;1568446232;diana_coman;if you say it's not any and all to talk, the q is : who to talk?
1936178;1568446243;mircea_popescu;yeah...
1936179;1568446257;mircea_popescu;make it a rating of say 9 specifically.
1936180;1568446267;mircea_popescu;10 is dead, 9 is peerage, the rest's the rest.
1936181;1568446268;diana_coman;fwiw it wasn't just /me reaching for "hm, that might fit in this here hole"
1936182;1568446293;mircea_popescu;nothing wrong in principle with giving numbers names, i guess. at least, human practice to date hasn't found it so far.
1936183;1568446309;diana_coman;something like that; I have no idea re exact numbers but as approach
1936184;1568446330;mircea_popescu;will run into the usual problem, when will want to insert thing between 4 and 5 and there';s no number there.'
1936185;1568446348;mircea_popescu;i guess it can be revised, like all conventions / indirection layers.
1936186;1568446379;diana_coman;well, the roles are what matter, no? ie it's peers talk; if today peers are marked with 9 and tomorrow with 11, such is history
1936187;1568446386;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1936188;1568446414;mircea_popescu;and i can see the "hey diana_coman if you dun wanna rate johnny 9 then don't knight'him" ?
1936189;1568446414;diana_coman;splitting into separate key doesn't yet make any sense to me
1936190;1568446435;diana_coman;aha, precisely.
1936191;1568446437;mircea_popescu;you're gonna srsly 9-rate allcomers to #o ?
1936192;1568446442;diana_coman;no
1936193;1568446447;diana_coman;#o does not have a voice
1936194;1568446453;diana_coman;everyone can talk, it's a learning thing
1936195;1568446454;mircea_popescu;then how do they get voice ? oh, you don't intend to put it in yet ?
1936196;1568446460;mircea_popescu;yeah i see.
1936197;1568446461;diana_coman;nope, I don't think it should be in
1936198;1568446472;mircea_popescu;well, will think on this moar anyways.
1936199;1568446632;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935600 << i however was there at table (twice), and the way it got left off, last i heard, was a vague "of course will definitely dedicate seriously to republic work nao" / "had trouble in the past of various extractions but all better now / financially comfortable" and so on.
1936200;1568446632;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-11 13:20:48 asciilifeform: diana_coman: i wasn't there, at the tea table, so can't say. but fwiw i suspect he thought 'already written off' .
1936201;1568446641;mircea_popescu;entirely and quite precisely opposite of any kinda written off.
1936202;1568446857;mircea_popescu;then dood disappeared, [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-07-24#1924509][leaving] me [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-07-28#1925355][wondering] ;
1936203;1568446858;snsabot;Logged on 2019-07-24 09:50:27 mp_en_viaje: hey phf, did you disappear ?
1936204;1568446858;snsabot;Logged on 2019-07-28 19:01:07 mp_en_viaje: as per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-01#1806991 tradition i don't even have enough information to distinguish between the case where "phf bleeding to death in a minsk ditch" ; "phf in love forgot all about world" ; "phf kidnapped by unreported alien invasion" or literally any other alternative. nfi how to approach it, either, tried everything i could think of.
1936205;1568446859;mircea_popescu;then logger [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-02#1926167][went down], forcing action ; then dood resurfaced, [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-23#1930299][hung himself].
1936206;1568446861;snsabot;Logged on 2019-08-02 02:14:00 mp_en_viaje: o look at that, phf logger also quit sometime last night. hey!
1936207;1568446861;snsabot;Logged on 2019-08-23 05:17:58 mircea_popescu: "Needless to say, I am unamused ; and, to answer the [http://trilema.com/2019/a-nickels-worth-of-clues/#comment-130687][original] inquiry in firmer terms containing no ifs or buts : no, I personally have no further interest in hearing what phf may have to say on any topic. The time for "ok then, I will get my logger to spec by X date and hope to have my blog up by Y date" came and went, sometime yesterday.
1936208;1568447136;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935603 << what the fuck sense does that make ?
1936209;1568447136;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-11 13:29:43 asciilifeform: fwiw 'talk directly to mp' when 'i'm in a corner' moar often than not , in my experience, gives [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-09#1935232][this] output. i accept this, he's a 'sink or swim' sort of guru. but also not surprised that phf hesitated to ask him for an evac chopper .
1936210;1568447354;mircea_popescu;the quote in particular is misleading -- it discusses a stupidity of young women, whereby they very much as discussed above misrepresent their "needs" as "support for escaping the consequence of their idiocy without needing to substantially review theyr cunthead".
1936211;1568447380;mircea_popescu;this ain't a proper need ; and will get no support. it's what the "need" in there denotes, rather than the plain need.
1936212;1568447689;mircea_popescu;that's the big problem with "helping", teenagers especially, but not just : they dun wanna be helped, they just wanna be insulated from the consequences of their idiocy.
1936213;1568447701;mircea_popescu;#metoo and all that is merely contemporaneous expression of ~same eternal thing.
1936214;1568447815;diana_coman;fwiw I always end up scratching my head at this "mircea_popescu won't help" because I haven't seen more people that are more helpful than mircea_popescu ; the only way that "won't help" makes sense to me is if it's fully qualified as in "won't help your stupidity"
1936215;1568447845;diana_coman;or I suppose "won't help if you don't ask" ; doh.
1936216;1568448844;*;mircea_popescu is now going to compose a castle grant template for deeding later
1936217;1568448857;mircea_popescu;oh what larp fun all this is!
1936218;1568449436;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935607 << that thing's one of the few things that if can be shaken loose was never there in the first place.
1936219;1568449436;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-11 13:43:52 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935499 << it also shakes other things out of people. when , e.g., lysenko had vavilov confined to dungeon, the other academicians went [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2017-08-29#1705800]['gulp', 'he MUST've been traitor'] , etc.
1936220;1568449515;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935615 << this is entirely possible.
1936221;1568449517;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-11 13:53:57 asciilifeform: stalin is remembered as effective king strictly because the war forced moderation of leukocyte. otherwise, he'd be remembered as exactly like e.g. emperor qin shihuangdi, who beheaded succession of 9000 alchemists for failing to produce elixir of immortality, until finally gave up in frustration and ate one , fulla hg salts
1936222;1568449539;mircea_popescu;also, comparison with iliterate peasant / highwaty robber's bound to break down at SOME fucking point.
1936223;1568449623;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935623 << what, because you don't ?!
1936224;1568449623;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-11 14:35:19 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935524 << this is worth making a full copy of. trinque can you spare some disk space ?
1936225;1568453111;mircea_popescu;lobbes, i wasn' taware indigence is a bar to re-entry in the zone (i'm putting this here rather than in a comment for visibility, so moar informed folk can see an' comment)
1936226;1568453145;*;mircea_popescu isn't specifically any kind of usgistani expert, hasn't visited in nigh on two decades by now, hasn't cared to for same interval also.
1936227;1568453361;feedbot;http://bvt-trace.net/2019/09/logotron-active-disconnect-vpatch/ << bvt's backtrace -- Logotron: active_disconnect.vpatch
1936228;1568457444;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/concedo-hoc/ << Trilema -- Concedo hoc...
1936229;1568458137;ave1;So I'm working on genesis of gcc and the second test build is running. First failed, I expect some more failures before done.
1936230;1568458165;ave1;Patch file weighs 387M
1936231;1568458204;ave1;I encountered 310 binaries, 207 in docs of c++ lib, 84 in libgo test
1936232;1568458235;ave1;The rest in some tests and also 5 objects in the zlib code
1936233;1568458283;ave1;As a first step, I'm trying to build without these
1936234;1568458293;ave1;On failure, I'll think of something...
1936235;1568458341;ave1;One problem so far is that the executable flags are not perserved in vdiff, so I have added a script to restore these. Is there any other option?
1936236;1568461997;diana_coman;ave1: a script to set the flags seems fine with me; I don't really see any other sensible option either.
1936237;1568463480;ave1;I could not find any other solution in the logs, except for removing for example configure, but that's one step too far for me for gcc.
1936238;1568463509;ave1;except for removing configure scripts (for example)
1936239;1568465522;diana_coman;ave1: that sounds like a later step really; it makes sense to first genesis as that's quite some work too anyway.
1936240;1568465983;mircea_popescu;ave1, cool
1936241;1568466016;mircea_popescu;i don't see the problem with script-side exeflags.
1936242;1568474526;BingoBoingo;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936171 << Some kinds of debt including unpaid child support and certain debts to the IRS will prevent leaving the zone after re-entry. This list may expand in the future.
1936243;1568474527;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-14 06:09:39 mircea_popescu: lobbes, i wasn' taware indigence is a bar to re-entry in the zone (i'm putting this here rather than in a comment for visibility, so moar informed folk can see an' comment)
1936244;1568474583;mircea_popescu;not student loans tho, at least as it stands. for one thing, they're mostly commercial paper ; for the other thing, such a ban'd be pretty much equivalent to banning youth from travelling, afaik most are in some kind of default.
1936245;1568474593;mircea_popescu;doesn't take much, either -- be unemployed, as most grads are.
1936246;1568474605;BingoBoingo;Right
1936247;1568474655;mircea_popescu;then again, i suppose with per capita consumption in the us at the lowest levels in the place's history, way below ww2 levels and only commensurate with the economic puritanism of the 1600s... banning tourism might not even be an outrage.
1936248;1568474677;BingoBoingo;At least not student loans yet. There's been noises produced by folks in the halls of retardation suggesting delinquent student loans may get passports revoked, but so far only whisperings
1936249;1568474721;*;BingoBoingo not sure many US folk even tourist.
1936250;1568474792;mircea_popescu;or in other words, [http://trilema.com/2018/oregon-represent/?b=it%20would%20taste&e=amazing#select][le bigmac and pizza can be mixed, and it would taste amazing].
1936251;1568474860;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo, going fast towards "los recursos se dolarean automaticamente", no dobut about it.
1936252;1568474958;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Indeed. And the common folk in this part of the world get put to the screws because they measure inflation primarily against the dollar. "dollar doesn't move"
1936253;1568474976;BingoBoingo;No, they just get fucked out of dollar inflation on top of peso inflation
1936254;1568475393;BingoBoingo;Anyways, that's why I find "Ernest Talvi - He identifies as a US trained economist. His voter base is mostly reddit dorks." << http://bingology.net/2019/05/26/overview-of-local-electoral-politics-heading-into-the-impending-party-internals/ more offensive than the PCU, MPP, and Mujica. The commies steal, but the "identifies as economist" wants to steal being stolen from and package it for sale in New York.
1936255;1568475725;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936085 << this is good point, as in the familiar biblical overloaded camel
1936256;1568475726;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-14 03:03:50 mircea_popescu: it's a dog, though, it has no fucking idea it's walking about looking for that final trigger.
1936257;1568475794;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936099 << this also imho good idea. tho afaik none of the other castles carry enuff load yet to make voicetronic model appealing there
1936258;1568475795;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-14 03:50:52 mircea_popescu: unrelatedly : hey trinque, now that there's actually multiple functional castles the time's prolly come to update the deedbot voice model into awareness of this situation. so how about a patch making voice in #trilema dependent on ~my~ wot, rather than deedbot's own ; and similarily in any castles that ask for it / you come to an understanding with the lords thereof, so they can use the voice model there if the
1936259;1568475818;mircea_popescu;yeah, but better to have it ready before needed than scramble then
1936260;1568475824;asciilifeform;verily
1936261;1568475945;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936104 << in asciilifeform's eyes, ought to be edible by anyone who passed arithmetic in grade school. or, so was the design.
1936262;1568475945;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-14 03:58:56 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936040 - hey, glad to hear it actually! it was wholesome food (and no maffs-doctor here, fwiw the maffs in it are undergraduate level I'd say, not more).
1936263;1568475945;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-14 02:24:17 asciilifeform: it was enheartening tho when diana_coman ate ffa 1-19 and commented. apparently it was edible by at least 1 . (even if took a maffs doctor )
1936264;1568476035;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936106 << i thought it was clear, but yes, was asciilifeform who whacked phf with stick in regular installments. ( other folx, to whom were promised e.g. the file-movement knob in vdiff -- could have beat, but took mercy )
1936265;1568476036;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-14 03:59:47 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935597 << that's kinda lulzy, seeing how you're the only one who did this iirc ?! no need for the guilt trip though : only children organise their movement through the world by the path of less beatings.
1936266;1568476048;asciilifeform;btw we still dunhave that knob...
1936267;1568476068;mircea_popescu;specced like two years ago too, crying shame.
1936268;1568476257;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936112 << to me he promised diff. knob, which granted nobody else wanted, and i still have nfi why took 2y of fighting with inner devils to disgorge. ( did, in the end, disgorge, after continued prods out of band. )
1936269;1568476257;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-14 04:10:47 mircea_popescu: it's obviously [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936111][to be done by the master's hand] and none other, which is why that entire lisp obscura grilling was so bizarre ; but whatever, growing pains.
1936270;1568476315;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936126 << this is imho workable, if not very fine grained (the 1-10 dial wasn't very fine grained to begin with, but does it need to be? )
1936271;1568476316;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-14 04:15:34 mircea_popescu: 10 is dead, 9 is peerage, the rest's the rest.
1936272;1568476323;mircea_popescu;not really.
1936273;1568476594;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936145 << somewhat reminiscent of shinohai ( who also , iirc, solved the 'day job problem' ) but somehow to this day not found the strength to actually do sumthing constructive w/ the freed time
1936274;1568476594;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-14 04:21:39 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935600 << i however was there at table (twice), and the way it got left off, last i heard, was a vague "of course will definitely dedicate seriously to republic work nao" / "had trouble in the past of various extractions but all better now / financially comfortable" and so on.
1936275;1568476998;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936169 << dulap's been short on disk for a while. ( atm it's a raid5 of 4 x 256G , i.e. 750 usable ; ~90% full at this time )
1936276;1568476999;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-14 05:11:31 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935623 << what, because you don't ?!
1936277;1568477147;asciilifeform;imho The Right Thing there would be to build new array on dulap-spare , w/ cuntoo. ( naturally after crate flies )
1936278;1568477167;asciilifeform;( they're both 4-hose boxen )
1936279;1568477535;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936188 << they're traditionally moar interested in 'kulaks, who surely have gold squirreled away somewhere!' than the stones with certifiably 0 blood to squeeze
1936280;1568477535;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-14 12:06:35 BingoBoingo: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936171 << Some kinds of debt including unpaid child support and certain debts to the IRS will prevent leaving the zone after re-entry. This list may expand in the future.
1936281;1568477631;*;asciilifeform brb,teatime
1936282;1568483789;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-catie-reloaded-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thelastpsychiatrist.com - CATIE Reloaded. Adnotated.
1936283;1568484461;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936160 << verily. Furthermore, the inescapable truth is that one day mircea_popescu will shuffle off this mortal coil. Why anyone would not want to eat as much of his brain while he is around is completely unfathomable to me, especially since he is willingly offering it to eat! The Republic will one day need to stand on its own feet and produce
1936284;1568484461;ericbot;Logged on 2019-09-14 07:57:52 diana_coman: fwiw I always end up scratching my head at this "mircea_popescu won't help" because I haven't seen more people that are more helpful than mircea_popescu ; the only way that "won't help" makes sense to me is if it's fully qualified as in "won't help your stupidity"
1936285;1568484467;lobbes;leukocyte on its own power, lest it dies with him. Otherwise, wtf are we all doing?
1936286;1568484471;lobbes;in other words, I definitely do not get the "abuse" angle / "does not help" angle either
1936287;1568484485;*;lobbes eats more threads
1936288;1568485896;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-catie-sigh-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thelastpsychiatrist.com - CATIE: Sigh. Adnotated.
1936289;1568486561;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936194 << hmm, yeah I guess it wouldn't prevent me today at least. Still, not sure if I'd be willing to take that risk that the list won't expand as the end days of the empire march onward. Meh, moar thinking to do for me it seems
1936290;1568486561;ericbot;Logged on 2019-09-14 15:25:35 BingoBoingo: At least not student loans yet. There's been noises produced by folks in the halls of retardation suggesting delinquent student loans may get passports revoked, but so far only whisperings
1936291;1568486638;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936225 << makes sense, though I could see them expanding it to student loans for pure ceremonial reasons.
1936292;1568486638;ericbot;Logged on 2019-09-14 16:13:13 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936188 << they're traditionally moar interested in 'kulaks, who surely have gold squirreled away somewhere!' than the stones with certifiably 0 blood to squeeze
1936293;1568486639;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-14 12:06:35 BingoBoingo: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936171 << Some kinds of debt including unpaid child support and certain debts to the IRS will prevent leaving the zone after re-entry. This list may expand in the future.
1936294;1568486970;asciilifeform;lobbes: as i understand it, the current regime of leave/enter in usgschwitz is 'liberal' strictly b/c there is much larger 'invisible fence' that keeps zeks comin' back
1936295;1568487049;asciilifeform;starting with the fact that ~80% of'em never even had an external passport at all, nor can think of why to ask for one
1936296;1568487098;asciilifeform;( the various 'why' of this -- explored in [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-08-25#1000616][this] #0 thrd & elsewhere )
1936297;1568487164;lobbes;this is true. Most who do leave, do so to fenced in resorts where they do not need to learn local tongue even
1936298;1568487191;asciilifeform;'leave'. ( if yer collecting a usg pension, in what sense didja 'leave'... )
1936299;1568487682;lobbes;hrm, though I just thought of another rub: my mom actually cosigned my student loans. Which means if I default they will come after her for the money. Those damn octopus arms are everywhere
1936300;1568487802;lobbes;perhaps I should look into the 'renegotiation' thing after all. maybe can shield her that way.
1936301;1568487938;asciilifeform;lobbes: as i understand, the paper [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2017-06-29#1676200]['defenses'] are increasingly dead letters naodays
1936302;1568487939;snsabot;Logged on 2017-06-29 13:32:13 BingoBoingo: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=8142 << "Her attorney informed us this morning, that although the deed is being assigned to my sister, my brother and I, that if my mother requires nursing home care through Medicare at any point over the next five years, that the Feds will take the house to pay the bills. "
1936303;1568488094;asciilifeform;lobbes: i.e. if you 'own' sumthing in usaschwitz that dun fit in a suitcase, and you have no working plan to liquidate into btc -- consider it lost to enemy
1936304;1568488416;asciilifeform;lobbes: in re elderly relatives ( and asciilifeform also has some ) -- if you have the budget, and they're reasonably portable, you can try to evacuate'em. bitter pill, but gotta point out, lotsa folx went to the ovens in prev. reich who otherwise didn't have to, because they did not come up with a timely decisive cut of this knot.
1936305;1568489212;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936176 << holyfuq! was this ~just~ gcc, or also the 'toolchains' crapolade ?
1936306;1568489212;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-14 07:33:53 ave1: Patch file weighs 387M
1936307;1568489276;asciilifeform;( aaand, cannot resist to pose the q, what % of this mass is autoconf liquishit ? )
1936308;1568489343;asciilifeform;( typical gnutardism, historically, is coupla 100kB of actual sores, and several MB of [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log-search?q=autoconf&chan=trilema][autoconf] ! )
1936309;1568491459;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936235 << by now you're in pure [http://trilema.com/2015/a-lunatic-with-a-bloodied-axe-could-be-ringing-at-your-door/][lunatic with a bloodied axe] territory, though. "No man's life, liberty or fortune is safe while our legislature is in session" as per franklin, and so for all you know it'll just as well perhaps become illegal to be named eric.
1936310;1568491459;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-14 15:27:11 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936194 << hmm, yeah I guess it wouldn't prevent me today at least. Still, not sure if I'd be willing to take that risk that the list won't expand as the end days of the empire march onward. Meh, moar thinking to do for me it seems
1936311;1568491460;ericbot;Logged on 2019-09-14 15:25:35 BingoBoingo: At least not student loans yet. There's been noises produced by folks in the halls of retardation suggesting delinquent student loans may get passports revoked, but so far only whisperings
1936312;1568491507;mircea_popescu;not like there's no precedent. it was recently illegal to be named ito, sato, suzuki &c
1936313;1568491645;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936245 << this is very common, for precisely the reason.
1936314;1568491645;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-14 15:45:52 lobbes: hrm, though I just thought of another rub: my mom actually cosigned my student loans. Which means if I default they will come after her for the money. Those damn octopus arms are everywhere
1936315;1568491669;mircea_popescu;then again, ~all old folks are broke anyway as far as the eye can see, so it makes little practical difference.
1936316;1568491690;mircea_popescu;(you may think she has home equity or w/e, but in practice see the medicare threads, it's on loan)
1936317;1568491766;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936250 << and by many we mean ~all.
1936318;1568491766;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-14 15:58:06 asciilifeform: lobbes: in re elderly relatives ( and asciilifeform also has some ) -- if you have the budget, and they're reasonably portable, you can try to evacuate'em. bitter pill, but gotta point out, lotsa folx went to the ovens in prev. reich who otherwise didn't have to, because they did not come up with a timely decisive cut of this knot.
1936319;1568495617;BingoBoingo;In local news: Uruguayos stripped down and humiliated in the Plaza Independencia https://i.redd.it/dsjaoraybmm31.jpg
1936320;1568495917;diana_coman;BingoBoingo: lolz! was that one of those "modern art events" thing or what?
1936321;1568496555;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: It is http://bingology.net/2019/09/11/uruguay-for-sale-or-keanu-sacks-the-plaza-independencia-grass/ Netflix and Keanu Reeves filming something.
1936322;1568496583;feedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2019/09/14/eulora-client-data-hierarchy-v20/ << Ossa Sepia -- Eulora Client Data Hierarchy v2.0
1936323;1568496648;BingoBoingo;But yes, the plaza in front of the President's tower, the National Standards Institute, and the National theater is being occupied by Hollywood adjacent forces with some pretty shitty looking tanks
1936324;1568496723;BingoBoingo;Tanks https://i.imgur.com/lZPZUtw.jpg << Do not appear to be a match for Uruguay's actual tanks
1936325;1568498928;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/09/richard-stallman-targeted-for-depersoning-and-mit-eviction-over-defense-of-minsky/ << Qntra -- Richard Stallman Targeted For Depersoning And MIT Eviction Over Defense Of Minsky
1936326;1568499530;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in lulz BingoBoingo might appreciate, asciilifeform was clearing , i shit thee not, jungle, w/ machete
1936327;1568499549;BingoBoingo;lol, Summer tends to do that to swamps
1936328;1568499555;asciilifeform;usedto -- w/ shears. nao like solid fucking wall of green
1936329;1568499608;BingoBoingo;I remember when finally, after a couple years of terraforming, the jungle corner of mom's yard was rendered mowerable.
1936330;1568499648;asciilifeform;'Motherboard has obtained a copy of the email thread, but has censored the names of its participants besides Stallman. ' << bonus lulz
1936331;1568500646;BingoBoingo;Well, that's how they signal it's a purge
1936332;1568501716;trinque;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1935983 << like I say to the 20somethings at work, NOT ENOUGH CONTEXT TO DO ANYTHING BUT KNOW YOUR EMOTIONAL STATE, about which I don't care. jfw get at me and give it a try while I'm at battlestation so I can see wtf. also next time say how you're attempting so some amount of useful activity can take place async
1936333;1568501717;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-14 00:25:35 lobbes: trinque: seems like this fella was having issues registering his key http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=UFHE
1936334;1568501957;trinque;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936037 <<->> http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935460
1936335;1568501957;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-14 02:06:51 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, standard wasn't ~properly~ described. standard was described at fucking all, i don't need to explain the difference between your logger which diana_coman 's running now and phf's alleged logger which, for all anyone knows, consists of one mechanical turk who meanwhile got sad / ran away.
1936336;1568501957;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-11 00:31:02 asciilifeform: trinque: cuz we're both recluses .
1936337;1568502071;trinque;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936059 << the curious thing to the squishy humans is how this man is mathematical instead.
1936338;1568502071;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-14 02:41:53 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935554 << it's not like it's fucking arbitrary, might as well ask sums to "moderate themselves", why not, write letter to factorial, "dear factorial, your results are computationalyl challenging, and it is unfair to most numbers above 10 or so that they can never feel safe in being followed up by an exclamation point like their single-digit bretheren. why won't
1936339;1568502138;trinque;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936066 << I trolled the shit out of girl earlier, "babe, we're moving to Portland" and "What the fuck?! I'm not living in blue-haired hell!" panicpanicpanic before I started cackling. I think I'll be ok.
1936340;1568502138;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-14 02:46:27 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935561 << unlike phf, holding a torch of oneitis for some pantsuit chick that likely couldn't pick him out of a line-up, i should hope the texan has enough fucking sense to actually manage his household as his own.
1936341;1568502153;trinque;I'm a sick troll in the household.
1936342;1568502258;lobbes;lol
1936343;1568502277;trinque;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936099 << couldn't be more behind this. if nothing else, you learn whether anyone else has gravity worth a sparrow's fart.
1936344;1568502277;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-14 03:50:52 mircea_popescu: unrelatedly : hey trinque, now that there's actually multiple functional castles the time's prolly come to update the deedbot voice model into awareness of this situation. so how about a patch making voice in #trilema dependent on ~my~ wot, rather than deedbot's own ; and similarily in any castles that ask for it / you come to an understanding with the lords thereof, so they can use the voice model there if the
1936345;1568502342;trinque;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936106 << alf, surely we don't need to baw on behalf of anyone!
1936346;1568502343;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-14 03:59:47 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935597 << that's kinda lulzy, seeing how you're the only one who did this iirc ?! no need for the guilt trip though : only children organise their movement through the world by the path of less beatings.
1936347;1568502384;trinque;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936114 << I'm thinking let the owner of chan set his/her threshold of voice, whatcha think?
1936348;1568502384;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-14 04:11:35 mircea_popescu: diana_coman, might still have to make soem kind of two-tiered system, because im not going to either unrate most everyone i have rated now nor let any and all talk. so i guess ima have two keysets ? nfi.
1936349;1568502421;trinque;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936123 << ^
1936350;1568502422;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-14 04:15:00 diana_coman: if you say it's not any and all to talk, the q is : who to talk?
1936351;1568502613;trinque;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936168 << I've been long curious when. If mp wanted to be Stalin, he'd already be, or so the derp texan's opinion goes.
1936352;1568502613;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-14 05:10:06 mircea_popescu: also, comparison with iliterate peasant / highwaty robber's bound to break down at SOME fucking point.
1936353;1568502666;trinque;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935524 << sure in theory; what do you know about ilb.ru that makes it distinguishable from when I made the snapshot?
1936354;1568502667;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-11 04:08:46 dorion: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934639 << I came across http://bbgentoo.ilb.ru/ , which appears to do a decent job of preserving distfiles. e.g. has nearly entire php-4.x series, except ~actual weightlifter~. even has php 2 and 3 tarballs. there is also what appears to be a portage tree dated 2011-01-31. I downloaded, but haven't yet cracked it open.
1936355;1568502702;trinque;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936175 << cheering you on over here.
1936356;1568502703;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-14 07:33:25 ave1: So I'm working on genesis of gcc and the second test build is running. First failed, I expect some more failures before done.
1936357;1568502804;trinque;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936203 << I intend to badger you about hardware p until silenced by brick wall. what load now?
1936358;1568502805;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-14 12:27:44 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936099 << this also imho good idea. tho afaik none of the other castles carry enuff load yet to make voicetronic model appealing there
1936359;1568502915;trinque;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936229 << lol, the dude's 40 something, not 80. and yet, a-fucking-men.
1936360;1568502915;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-14 14:52:11 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936160 << verily. Furthermore, the inescapable truth is that one day mircea_popescu will shuffle off this mortal coil. Why anyone would not want to eat as much of his brain while he is around is completely unfathomable to me, especially since he is willingly offering it to eat! The Republic will one day need to stand on its own feet and produce
1936361;1568502915;ericbot;Logged on 2019-09-14 07:57:52 diana_coman: fwiw I always end up scratching my head at this "mircea_popescu won't help" because I haven't seen more people that are more helpful than mircea_popescu ; the only way that "won't help" makes sense to me is if it's fully qualified as in "won't help your stupidity"
1936362;1568503010;trinque;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936245 << heh, my parents had the good sense to shove me out the airlock re: student debt. So I had the good sense to not take any.
1936363;1568503010;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-14 15:45:52 lobbes: hrm, though I just thought of another rub: my mom actually cosigned my student loans. Which means if I default they will come after her for the money. Those damn octopus arms are everywhere
1936364;1568503032;*;trinque belches, sated with logs
1936365;1568503057;asciilifeform;ohai trinque , wb
1936366;1568503093;trinque;how goes, mon frere?
1936367;1568503168;asciilifeform;trinque: refillin' chalkboard w/ where left off in ch20 in july !
1936368;1568503184;asciilifeform;trinque: and earlier, assembling some machine tools for piz chassis munging
1936369;1568503225;asciilifeform;( and groundskeeping [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936272][chore] ughs )
1936370;1568503226;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-14 19:03:20 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in lulz BingoBoingo might appreciate, asciilifeform was clearing , i shit thee not, jungle, w/ machete
1936371;1568503232;asciilifeform;trinque: and you ?
1936372;1568503280;asciilifeform;btw trinque ( and possibly BingoBoingo ) : what's the barest starvation tooling with which weld aluminum ?
1936373;1568503338;asciilifeform;modern-day builders all seem to think can't be done except under noble gas
1936374;1568503346;asciilifeform;which i suspect is bullshit
1936375;1568503354;trinque;not a pro welder myself
1936376;1568503401;trinque;and doing fine. just got in from my dentist's office in the mexican hood.
1936377;1568503412;trinque;I don't know if it would surprise anyone here, but they do a better job!
1936378;1568503413;asciilifeform;ah, i was pretty certain that someone mentioned doing it, and was trinque . maybe that someone writes in.
1936379;1568503417;trinque;naw
1936380;1568503500;asciilifeform;trinque: see, stock chasses are usually ~1mm mild steel. which welds ok w/ ordinary 1940s electrode style. but was thinking, for next batch, aluminum, lighter crate -> moar boxen
1936381;1568503599;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: IIrc the Home Despot rents MIG welders
1936382;1568503627;asciilifeform;somewhat oddly, perhaps, vs traditional comp-building culture , mechanical strength is needed, the crates are abused rather heavily by the porters ( last time BingoBoingo and asciilifeform had to straighten the 'ears' with hammers )
1936383;1568503680;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: cost of renting tools there is such that makes moar sense to buy, if anyffin smaller than bulldozer, normally
1936384;1568503752;trinque;incidentally slurpin down that whole bbgentoo.ilb.ru
1936385;1568503759;asciilifeform;neato
1936386;1568503763;asciilifeform;trinque: how much did it weigh ?
1936387;1568503766;trinque;it'd be nice to be able to turn up continuity with historic gentoo tree
1936388;1568503769;trinque;will tell ya when done
1936389;1568503782;trinque;I've got terbytes free down in uy tho
1936390;1568503802;asciilifeform;trinque: in theory , the long-sought 'pure gcc4 bringup' set could be in there.
1936391;1568503855;trinque;go go gadget wget -r
1936392;1568504111;trinque;on the subj of multi-channel deedbot, that already exists. I need to tweak the wot/voicing code a bit to support, but otherwise not so hard.
1936393;1568504139;trinque;can the lords and ladies let me know if they're interested in such a thing, and if so I'll get cracking.
1936394;1568504156;asciilifeform;trinque: defo will be handy.
1936395;1568504455;*;lobbes is currently not sure if should apply for official castlehood, on grounds that a) castle is currently deserted and b) technically I resigned from [http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/08/fog-of-war/][lordship about a month ago]
1936396;1568504459;lobbes;Of course I'm already regretting that resignation thinking I did that with my classic 'jumpy reasoning'; I think what I really needed was clarity, which comes from communication, which has been working pretty well so far.
1936397;1568504465;lobbes;In any case, I'll just give it some time.
1936398;1568504484;lobbes;with that, time to dig into mysql database slaving capabilities
1936399;1568504683;trinque;I dunno that castlehood or w/e is the "and now you can have a deedbot" line
1936400;1568504694;trinque;that seems entirely backwards.
1936401;1568504716;trinque;you have your relationships, whatever they are, and you're peered into whomever else.
1936402;1568504804;trinque;http://wot.deedbot.org/ << the one-eyed creature needs moar eyeballs
1936403;1568505415;lobbes;hm, yeah I guess this makes sense. Sort of a "cross that bridge when come to it" type of deal
1936404;1568505486;lobbes;no point in crossing bridges in a desert
1936405;1568505748;trinque;I dunno what metaphors apply, but surely you know someone besides yourself.
1936406;1568505762;trinque;what do I care if you talk to them. probably zero, maybe >0!
1936407;1568505789;trinque;and the whole point of social topology that isn't dot and flat line below, is that "maybe >0!"
1936408;1568506279;trinque;I'm inclined to let whomever register w/e channel with deedbot, set their threshold for plebvoice, and let the wot work.
1936409;1568506724;lobbes;ah okay. this makes sense. let the wot drive distinction between monkey-castle and actual-castle
1936410;1568506971;trinque;would've saved mircea_popescu years of trilema if the ideal state were "and then I think for all of you for the rest of time"
1936411;1568507024;trinque;but don't take me as presuming to speak for anyone.
1936412;1568520049;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936119 << heh, I hope I didn't overdo it with my last article (I think it included some three trackbacks to trilema)
1936413;1568520049;ericbot;Logged on 2019-09-14 07:30:39 mircea_popescu: that scary moment when one notices the TWO most recent items in trilema comments queue are trackbacks from other people's blogs.
1936414;1568520053;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936262 << sure, but the point is I gave my word back 2006 to *her* that if she cosigned I wouldn't default. Maybe I'm foolish but I like to keep my word. Plus, virtually everyone else in my family has backstabbed her / cheated her to some degree, to which she never became bitter about, but instead just put them out of her life and kept on working
1936415;1568520053;ericbot;Logged on 2019-09-14 20:09:08 mircea_popescu: (you may think she has home equity or w/e, but in practice see the medicare threads, it's on loan)
1936416;1568520060;lobbes;I'm probably the only one who hasn't, and I'd like to keep it that way (and while *I* grok that it is really the state that is the enemy here, she wouldn't necessarily). I'd like to let her die thinking *someone* gives a shit about her.
1936417;1568520067;lobbes;Plus I still have the various TMSR infrastructure that I pay for (my VPSen, my dedicated server), and prolly something else I'm forgetting. Still looking like the best way to cut this knot is via the remote work option (i.e. I'll need monthly income of some kind). But the beauty seems to be I can take a massive pay cut from what I make now, since my cost of living should be much lower in South America.
1936418;1568520469;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936308 << If I may ask, how did you pay for it then? Were you one of those students who actually learned things and thus got good grades (i.e. could qualify for scholarships)?
1936419;1568520469;ericbot;Logged on 2019-09-14 23:17:48 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936245 << heh, my parents had the good sense to shove me out the airlock re: student debt. So I had the good sense to not take any.
1936420;1568520470;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-14 15:45:52 lobbes: hrm, though I just thought of another rub: my mom actually cosigned my student loans. Which means if I default they will come after her for the money. Those damn octopus arms are everywhere
1936421;1568520478;lobbes;I managed to pay for my first two years (via the much cheaper 'community college' option) with pure cash from my saving from working at the grocery store. The final two years (at the more expensive state school) are what killed me. And I mentally checked out around 6th grade, so my GPA was laughable (literally was in the 2.3 range I think); no scholarships for me.
1936422;1568537923;mircea_popescu;http://thimbron.com/2019/09/julian-jaynes/?b=Ando&e=#select << what's this then ?
1936423;1568538469;diana_coman;no idea really but iirc there was a thimbronion around here or such
1936424;1568538487;diana_coman;!!key thimbronion
1936425;1568538488;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/57512CE78CF08BB25FE277A4B16136257FB8FBDD.asc
1936426;1568538792;mircea_popescu;aand diana_coman 's comment yielded a first error fix!
1936427;1568538969;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936265 << why the fuck is it mostly [http://trilema.com/2019/usta-swingers-club-ul-jozefa-strusia-5-in-warsaw-poland-and-other-things/#footnote_4_87077][young dudes] tho.
1936428;1568538970;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-14 17:58:07 BingoBoingo: In local news: Uruguayos stripped down and humiliated in the Plaza Independencia https://i.redd.it/dsjaoraybmm31.jpg
1936429;1568539047;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936270 <<< nfi why they didn't simply lease the local army's materiel for a week. looks way the fuck better, defo cheaper than that dumb shit...
1936430;1568539048;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-14 18:16:33 BingoBoingo: Tanks https://i.imgur.com/lZPZUtw.jpg << Do not appear to be a match for Uruguay's actual tanks
1936431;1568539054;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: re logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-11#1002089 - I still see the point for *different* thresholds in different places; ie 9 is peer everywhere but in #t it's only peers that may speak while in #o it's everyone who didn't get thrown out.
1936432;1568539057;mircea_popescu;shithead producers.
1936433;1568539091;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, ah yeah, noody;s proposing you must introduce voice in your own castle.
1936434;1568539117;mircea_popescu;or is the idea that you'd like to have the voice model more flexible, so when a castle owner is specified for a new castle, deedbot also takes specification of voice threshold ?
1936435;1568539123;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: even if/when I must introduce it because possibly some disgruntled good for nothings have nothing better to do than to spam
1936436;1568539124;mircea_popescu;i think this last bit is kinda stupid, tbh.
1936437;1568539139;diana_coman;and wtf am I going to do, police it?
1936438;1568539173;diana_coman;possibly it's an entirely unrelated matter
1936439;1568539188;mircea_popescu;in extremis yes you could promote a knight or two in that role, if you wish ; but if not, and you want to implement the trilema style voice model instead : why do you want ratings other than 9 to be voiced ?
1936440;1568539201;mircea_popescu;you conceive having a knight rated 8 and a different layer of knight rated 9 ?
1936441;1568539221;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: no, not at all; but why would I want *only knights* to be able to talk there?
1936442;1568539234;mircea_popescu;how the hell do i know what you want.
1936443;1568539256;mircea_popescu;conceivably you might want it because your castle's so immense, you can't take the whole firehose.
1936444;1568539274;mircea_popescu;suppose in ten years you're actually running uk's main college. #o will now be open to all "concerned parents" ?
1936445;1568539293;diana_coman;that is also perfectly valid yes; hollyhell.
1936446;1568539295;mircea_popescu;oxford never was ; why should ossasepia be.
1936447;1568539329;diana_coman;oh boy, "concerned parents" and tzatzele la poarta what next
1936448;1568539333;mircea_popescu;ikr.
1936449;1568539574;diana_coman;I can see also why make it 9 only and that's that if the model is either "everyone can speak" or "only peers can speak"
1936450;1568539659;mircea_popescu;i don't instantly see the benefit of an alternative. some things do not benefit from alternative, eg a knife which first has you "select which side to be sharp" is a worse knife that is sharp on one side.
1936451;1568539745;diana_coman;that actually makes full sense, indeed.
1936452;1568539785;diana_coman;so then, if spammers come spamming, I'll have to man the walls or something, more fun to be had.
1936453;1568539879;mircea_popescu;aaand logs not loading. lessee here.
1936454;1568539908;diana_coman;o.O which logs?
1936455;1568539933;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, yup, confirmed : pizarroisp.net loads in half second ; nosuchlabs does not load.
1936456;1568539955;mircea_popescu;then a minute later, loads again. and will be fine again for however long, an hour or a day, but then again, taskes a minute off.
1936457;1568539955;*;diana_coman pats ossabot
1936458;1568540105;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936276 << fucking [http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/?b=kaiser&e=interview#select][typical] [http://trilema.com/2014/parody-is-not-there-for-you-cancerous-fags-to-try-and-hide-your-cancer-behind-it/?b=not%20some%20nigger%20from%20Compton&e=gauntlet#select][retardation].
1936459;1568540105;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-14 19:05:19 asciilifeform: 'Motherboard has obtained a copy of the email thread, but has censored the names of its participants besides Stallman. ' << bonus lulz
1936460;1568540196;mircea_popescu;for historical lulz : /me actually [http://trilema.com/2010/a-t-spea-dosariada/][put the kaibosh] on a romanian wanna-be news outlet back in the day for exactly this sorta misbehaviour.
1936461;1568540297;mircea_popescu;was part and parcel of ye epic http://trilema.com/2012/sorana-comedie-bufa-intr-un-act/ (the title says "Sorana, funny comedy in one act". unique as far as i know among all literary productions for the stage to date, this play is written ~entirely~ out of material illegally intercepted by romania's chapter of usg.blue, and doled out in court without any kind of supervision)
1936462;1568540316;mircea_popescu;did anyone else ever write a play like that ?
1936463;1568540373;mircea_popescu;it's literally a collage, i cut up the "secret" court filings produced by "secret" services for its material.
1936464;1568540390;mircea_popescu;like 90% or so by mass is exact quotation.
1936465;1568540537;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936283 << wait, what ?
1936466;1568540537;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-14 19:45:42 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936059 << the curious thing to the squishy humans is how this man is mathematical instead.
1936467;1568540597;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936287 << hey, me too!
1936468;1568540598;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-14 19:47:03 trinque: I'm a sick troll in the household.
1936469;1568540692;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936293 << i have no firm idea as of yet ; but i'm inclined to think it'd be too many moving parts, and deleterious thereby.
1936470;1568540705;mircea_popescu;not because it'd be hard to implement, but because it creates a "decision slot" in the minds where there needn't be one.
1936471;1568540719;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-14 19:50:55 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936114 << I'm thinking let the owner of chan set his/her threshold of voice, whatcha think?
1936472;1568540747;mircea_popescu;all of inca exists because of the false decision slot "between" coke and pepsi, dominos and pizza hut etc. the only way to fix the current us is forbid this false choice, force them to receive randomly items in the respective undiferentiable classes.
1936473;1568540756;mircea_popescu;with the mental energy thus freed, they'd prolly burn the shit down.
1936474;1568540792;mircea_popescu;hence my example with the "booting" knife that runs a .jar to ask you via gui "which side should be sharp this session"
1936475;1568540896;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936289 << not to mention create sane basis for taxation! "you are to produce one lordable knight by next year!"
1936476;1568540897;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-14 19:49:08 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936099 << couldn't be more behind this. if nothing else, you learn whether anyone else has gravity worth a sparrow's fart.
1936477;1568540985;mircea_popescu;(this being, contrary to ulterior protestant misrepresentations, the only meaning of taxation in middle ages : "produce some normal heatlhy unsick unfucked in the head humans!!! we're going to france!!!"
1936478;1568540996;mircea_popescu;then the stupid cunts "became nonviolent" and it all went straight to hell.)
1936479;1568541242;diana_coman;uaaa, my comment is awaiting moderation
1936480;1568541271;mircea_popescu;fixt
1936481;1568541317;diana_coman;ty
1936482;1568542133;mircea_popescu;answer't as well.
1936483;1568542158;mircea_popescu;and let me say that i really enjoy the sort of problems i am having these days.
1936484;1568542682;diana_coman;I'll chew on that some more (and maybe I won't want to strangle hope all that much anymore).
1936485;1568547188;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936305 << in my defense, i spent my 20s (in consensus with the peers of the time and place) that i ain't making no 30.
1936486;1568547189;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-14 19:59:45 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936229 << lol, the dude's 40 something, not 80. and yet, a-fucking-men.
1936487;1568547315;mircea_popescu;now, apparently [http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-a-surprising-number-of-teens-think-theyll-die-young-or-live-forever-whichever-comes-first-adnotated][this is common], however [http://trilema.com/2011/cum-am-convins-niste-puscariasi-ca-s-mai-dement-ca-ei/][the peerage of the time] was [http://trilema.com/2011/vegetanpizda/][quite unlike] [http://trilema.com/2018/oregon-represent/][portland's finest] [http://t
1936488;1568547315;mircea_popescu;rilema.com/2018/the-retards-handshake/][purple hair].
1936489;1568547516;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936318 << you can't weld aluminium in air because the melting temperature of the metal is below compound formation energy. basically same reason you can't weld paper.
1936490;1568547516;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-14 20:05:51 asciilifeform: btw trinque ( and possibly BingoBoingo ) : what's the barest starvation tooling with which weld aluminum ?
1936491;1568547543;mircea_popescu;if have to get aluminium parts connected and don't have weld shield gas, the solution is riveting not welding.
1936492;1568547637;mircea_popescu;but also no reason to use al in your applciation. use zamak, weld with Lotkolben
1936493;1568547721;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936327 << also solution, rent for a coupla days.
1936494;1568547721;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-14 20:11:10 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: IIrc the Home Despot rents MIG welders
1936495;1568548223;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936337 << lol
1936496;1568548224;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-14 20:15:26 trinque: go go gadget wget -r
1936497;1568548334;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936354 << or rather, read the last trilema.
1936498;1568548335;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-14 20:55:50 trinque: I'm inclined to let whomever register w/e channel with deedbot, set their threshold for plebvoice, and let the wot work.
1936499;1568548389;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936358 << wasn;t complaining. besides, by now i think avg trilema article does 12+ tracjabacjs,
1936500;1568548389;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-15 00:45:20 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936119 << heh, I hope I didn't overdo it with my last article (I think it included some three trackbacks to trilema)
1936501;1568548389;ericbot;Logged on 2019-09-14 07:30:39 mircea_popescu: that scary moment when one notices the TWO most recent items in trilema comments queue are trackbacks from other people's blogs.
1936502;1568548401;mircea_popescu;it;s a growth, what can you do.
1936503;1568548452;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936360 << nobody's requiring you to take any specific decisions. the limit's the establishment of the facts, you said some things, i retorted because i didn't think they were necessarily factual, not because i thought you should do x or whatever.
1936504;1568548452;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-15 00:45:24 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936262 << sure, but the point is I gave my word back 2006 to *her* that if she cosigned I wouldn't default. Maybe I'm foolish but I like to keep my word. Plus, virtually everyone else in my family has backstabbed her / cheated her to some degree, to which she never became bitter about, but instead just put them out of her life and kept on working
1936505;1568548453;ericbot;Logged on 2019-09-14 20:09:08 mircea_popescu: (you may think she has home equity or w/e, but in practice see the medicare threads, it's on loan)
1936506;1568548486;mircea_popescu;make your own decisions on correctly established measurements is the whole of the law.
1936507;1568548532;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936362 << so give the woman the log
1936508;1568548533;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-15 00:45:31 lobbes: I'm probably the only one who hasn't, and I'd like to keep it that way (and while *I* grok that it is really the state that is the enemy here, she wouldn't necessarily). I'd like to let her die thinking *someone* gives a shit about her.
1936509;1568548671;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936363 << turn it whichever way you wish, lordship an' poverty don't work together. in all cases it's better to resolve shortfalls by increasing income rather than by reducing expense, and yes the point's well made that by the time a few hundy a month [http://trilema.com/2010/sa-facem-o-regula/][make a difference] one has much more pressing problems than putting forward a
1936510;1568548671;mircea_popescu;transparently idle pretense to primacy among mankind.
1936511;1568548671;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-15 00:45:39 lobbes: Plus I still have the various TMSR infrastructure that I pay for (my VPSen, my dedicated server), and prolly something else I'm forgetting. Still looking like the best way to cut this knot is via the remote work option (i.e. I'll need monthly income of some kind). But the beauty seems to be I can take a massive pay cut from what I make now, since my cost of living should be much lower in South America.
1936512;1568548815;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936364 << to drive everyone up the wall : my degree was actually ~2-3k a year ; an' i'm pretty sure i made more during a brief foray in teaching there (while still a student!) than the whole thing cost. AND said degree includes (besides philosophy an' socilology) ALSO JOURNALISM
1936513;1568548815;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-15 00:52:21 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936308 << If I may ask, how did you pay for it then? Were you one of those students who actually learned things and thus got good grades (i.e. could qualify for scholarships)?
1936514;1568548816;ericbot;Logged on 2019-09-14 23:17:48 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936245 << heh, my parents had the good sense to shove me out the airlock re: student debt. So I had the good sense to not take any.
1936515;1568548816;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-14 15:45:52 lobbes: hrm, though I just thought of another rub: my mom actually cosigned my student loans. Which means if I default they will come after her for the money. Those damn octopus arms are everywhere
1936516;1568548817;mircea_popescu;I GOT IT ALL!!!
1936517;1568548845;mircea_popescu;ah, ye lovely 90s, why have ye gone away.
1936518;1568548926;mircea_popescu;also, the campus was literally one mile from my residence at the time ; and the campus worked mostly as young whore storage in those days.
1936519;1568549015;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in other keks, http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2017-07-16#1685102
1936520;1568549019;snsabot;Logged on 2017-07-16 16:54:44 whatisthis: yes. sell all of my stuff and contribute to TMSR however I can?
1936521;1568549758;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936342 - what's there to regret really? less direct support (because not needed since lord) + some additional responsibility on top of and added to sorting yourself out or what exactly?
1936522;1568549759;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-14 20:41:10 lobbes: Of course I'm already regretting that resignation thinking I did that with my classic 'jumpy reasoning'; I think what I really needed was clarity, which comes from communication, which has been working pretty well so far.
1936523;1568549797;mircea_popescu;coolness.
1936524;1568549810;*;diana_coman gets the buckets of ice ready
1936525;1568549820;diana_coman;plenty of proper cool :D
1936526;1568549932;mircea_popescu;"why do parents mourn when a retarded son is born ? verily he'll have the easiest life of all their offspring"
1936527;1568549961;mircea_popescu;"why do constituencies regret when their representative teams are eliminated during tournament events ? they should rejoice, their team has to do the least work!"
1936528;1568549973;diana_coman;well, *they* will have the hardest life raising him though; my impression was that they mourn themselves, not the child at all.
1936529;1568549974;mircea_popescu;stoicism is one thing, but cynicism another. can't really mix the two!
1936530;1568549984;mircea_popescu;i had the opposite impression.
1936531;1568550009;mircea_popescu;if this were the concern, pretty sure orphanages still take undesired children.
1936532;1568550084;mircea_popescu;one day the surgery team removed a man's testicles by mistake. the man himself was cavallier about it : "well... it's that much less to wash."
1936533;1568550140;mircea_popescu;if work avoidance worked that well, usgistani chemopsychiatry'd almost make sense, come to think of it.
1936534;1568550142;diana_coman;possibly orphanages take but that's just shifting to a different sort of "hard"
1936535;1568550162;diana_coman;not to mention that after a point they still...do, pretty much
1936536;1568550180;diana_coman;when "can't cope anymore" or similar
1936537;1568550329;diana_coman;anyway, back to the lordship thing, it's not like worthy knights can't get promoted, quite on the contrary, that was the whole idea afaik
1936538;1568550365;mircea_popescu;but of course.
1936539;1568552162;diana_coman;I just realised that it was probably not clear above: my point was why regret the *decision*.
1936540;1568553219;mircea_popescu;aok
1936541;1568557219;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936435 << realized this shortly after asked.
1936542;1568557219;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-15 08:23:09 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936318 << you can't weld aluminium in air because the melting temperature of the metal is below compound formation energy. basically same reason you can't weld paper.
1936543;1568557282;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936438 << prolly mircea_popescu was thinking of zinc (as in sovok coffin), rather than the cast shitmetal 'zamac' . but mno, these in fact need [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936328][good mechanical strength] and -- even moar vitally -- good thermals
1936544;1568557282;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-15 08:25:10 mircea_popescu: but also no reason to use al in your applciation. use zamak, weld with Lotkolben
1936545;1568557283;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-14 20:11:37 asciilifeform: somewhat oddly, perhaps, vs traditional comp-building culture , mechanical strength is needed, the crates are abused rather heavily by the porters ( last time BingoBoingo and asciilifeform had to straighten the 'ears' with hammers )
1936546;1568557461;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936402 << pretty sure i found the culprit ( phuctor ) , i'ma make it weekly again.
1936547;1568557461;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-15 06:17:08 mircea_popescu: then a minute later, loads again. and will be fine again for however long, an hour or a day, but then again, taskes a minute off.
1936548;1568557673;asciilifeform;!q uptime
1936549;1568557673;snsabot;asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 30d 0h 48m
1936550;1568557720;asciilifeform;i'ma roll out bvt's bot patch in coming days. (when errybody's asleep, ideally)
1936551;1568557781;*;asciilifeform wonders whether any bot previously went for 30d w/out stop
1936552;1568558182;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936375 << i suspect it's being done to scratch the ego itch of some hollywood lizard, rather than as rationally planned affair ( otherwise not even need to lease army base, would simply use 3d rendered scene )
1936553;1568558183;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-15 06:02:00 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936270 <<< nfi why they didn't simply lease the local army's materiel for a week. looks way the fuck better, defo cheaper than that dumb shit...
1936554;1568558259;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936381 << spamola, i suspect, is a 'when', rather than an 'if'.
1936555;1568558259;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-15 06:03:16 diana_coman: mircea_popescu: even if/when I must introduce it because possibly some disgruntled good for nothings have nothing better to do than to spam
1936556;1568558396;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936439 << aa, but ameritards are, well, [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-03-13#1902340][tards]. to date found that it is 100% of the time cheaper to actually buy surplus instrument. sounds insane, but there it is.
1936557;1568558398;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-15 08:26:34 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936327 << also solution, rent for a coupla days.
1936558;1568558398;snsabot;Logged on 2019-03-13 20:23:03 asciilifeform: recall : the xray best-quote of 5 firms was : 2700 orcdubloons PER SHOT
1936559;1568558457;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936455 << 'better to be rich and healthy than poor and diseased'(tm)(r)
1936560;1568558458;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-15 08:42:25 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936363 << turn it whichever way you wish, lordship an' poverty don't work together. in all cases it's better to resolve shortfalls by increasing income rather than by reducing expense, and yes the point's well made that by the time a few hundy a month [http://trilema.com/2010/sa-facem-o-regula/][make a difference] one has much more pressing problems than puttin
1936561;1568558575;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936464 << in ameritardistan, 'one mile from residence' typically dun even include food , much less universities.
1936562;1568558576;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-15 08:46:39 mircea_popescu: also, the campus was literally one mile from my residence at the time ; and the campus worked mostly as young whore storage in those days.
1936563;1568558638;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936478 << >> http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2018-05-13#1813003
1936564;1568558640;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-15 09:05:57 mircea_popescu: one day the surgery team removed a man's testicles by mistake. the man himself was cavallier about it : "well... it's that much less to wash."
1936565;1568558640;snsabot;Logged on 2018-05-13 12:46:38 asciilifeform: 'Хорошо тому живется, У кого одна нога, У того яйцо не трется, И не надо сапога.' (tm)(r)
1936566;1568558702;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936479 << that's mostly what it is used for ! exactly like 'pound detonator into own boot' in gulag. tlp documented subj to death.
1936567;1568558702;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-15 09:06:54 mircea_popescu: if work avoidance worked that well, usgistani chemopsychiatry'd almost make sense, come to think of it.
1936568;1568559077;asciilifeform;re noble gasses, asciilifeform found, somewhat surprisingly, that 1k cubolitres of argon cost only ~100bux. and that there's moar shops where sold, here, than where proper milk...
1936569;1568559110;*;asciilifeform finally eaten log! bbl:teatime.
1936570;1568559215;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, zamac is precisely that, industrial zinc alloys
1936571;1568559231;mircea_popescu;zn-al or zn-cu w/e
1936572;1568559427;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936507 << could, and regularly did, march quarry on foot from auditorium to bed.
1936573;1568559428;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-15 11:27:29 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936464 << in ameritardistan, 'one mile from residence' typically dun even include food , much less universities.
1936574;1568559435;mircea_popescu;#best-teenage-years
1936575;1568559649;mircea_popescu; http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936511 aka "life's good without a leg : the balls don't rub and there's no need for another boot"
1936576;1568559649;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-15 11:28:32 snsabot: Logged on 2018-05-13 12:46:38 asciilifeform: 'Хорошо тому живется, У кого одна нога, У того яйцо не трется, И не надо сапога.' (tm)(r)
1936577;1568559727;mircea_popescu;als owhat the fuck is a cubolitre!
1936578;1568559744;mircea_popescu;nine-dimensional hypercubic decimetres ?
1936579;1568561701;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: zn-al typically. ( why ? it injection-molds, like plastic )
1936580;1568561733;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lol, cuboliter, asciilifeform was posting b4tea!111
1936581;1568561752;asciilifeform;( liter, at stp, of course , is what it was to be )
1936582;1568561782;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-celebrities-and-narcissism-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thelastpsychiatrist.com - Celebrities and Narcissism. Adnotated.
1936583;1568561794;BingoBoingo;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936368 << Fella who walked in and wanted web hosting
1936584;1568561794;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-15 05:43:16 mircea_popescu: http://thimbron.com/2019/09/julian-jaynes/?b=Ando&e=#select << what's this then ?
1936585;1568561803;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936518 << asciilifeform also, but to do this had to live in the barracks
1936586;1568561804;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-15 11:41:41 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936507 << could, and regularly did, march quarry on foot from auditorium to bed.
1936587;1568561936;BingoBoingo;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936373 << Girls apparently have things to do over the three day span. Either that or stripping the boys down is how they imagine they avoid getting #wetoo'd
1936588;1568561937;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-15 06:00:42 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936265 << why the fuck is it mostly [http://trilema.com/2019/usta-swingers-club-ul-jozefa-strusia-5-in-warsaw-poland-and-other-things/#footnote_4_87077][young dudes] tho.
1936589;1568562015;BingoBoingo;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936375 << Seriously that's a huge WTF. The army's materiel is a mix-and-match affair which means something in the pile is going to suit the desired epoch.
1936590;1568562015;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-15 06:02:00 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936270 <<< nfi why they didn't simply lease the local army's materiel for a week. looks way the fuck better, defo cheaper than that dumb shit...
1936591;1568562251;BingoBoingo;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936498 << Leasing Army base would have been much cheaper. Instead they leased the city's main square, took out everything green or movable, and then chroma-key'd the palms and the base of the Masoleum of Jose Artigas. They are filming in the country's principal political location and dressing it as somewhere else.
1936592;1568562251;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-15 11:20:57 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936375 << i suspect it's being done to scratch the ego itch of some hollywood lizard, rather than as rationally planned affair ( otherwise not even need to lease army base, would simply use 3d rendered scene )
1936593;1568562448;BingoBoingo;Probably would have made more sense to film at the Punta Carretas Shopping & Prison
1936594;1568564874;BingoBoingo;There's also confusion with different sources claiming the rent being paid for the plaza is millions of pesos Uruguayos or millions of pesos NorteAmericanos.
1936595;1568565318;BingoBoingo;Apparently the naked folks are making 1500 pesos (~45 USD) a day. Which, considering the bulk of jobs in the local economy pay ~20,000 pesos a month with 44 hours workweeks... seems a bit generous.
1936596;1568568280;*;lobbes eats log
1936597;1568568899;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936449 << this makes sense. I guess was simply stating my reasonings for decision in the logs. But to your point I ought to start looking more at established and measurable facts than imagined feels
1936598;1568568900;ericbot;Logged on 2019-09-15 11:55:12 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936360 << nobody's requiring you to take any specific decisions. the limit's the establishment of the facts, you said some things, i retorted because i didn't think they were necessarily factual, not because i thought you should do x or whatever.
1936599;1568568900;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-15 00:45:24 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936262 << sure, but the point is I gave my word back 2006 to *her* that if she cosigned I wouldn't default. Maybe I'm foolish but I like to keep my word. Plus, virtually everyone else in my family has backstabbed her / cheated her to some degree, to which she never became bitter about, but instead just put them out of her life and kept on working
1936600;1568568900;ericbot;Logged on 2019-09-14 20:09:08 mircea_popescu: (you may think she has home equity or w/e, but in practice see the medicare threads, it's on loan)
1936601;1568568907;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936455 << I ofc can't find the log reference in o(1) time, but I remember you stating that the wisdom for wealth building is *spending less* rather than the converse. Maybe I'm missing the point tho
1936602;1568568907;ericbot;Logged on 2019-09-15 11:58:51 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936363 << turn it whichever way you wish, lordship an' poverty don't work together. in all cases it's better to resolve shortfalls by increasing income rather than by reducing expense, and yes the point's well made that by the time a few hundy a month [http://trilema.com/2010/sa-facem-o-regula/][make a difference] one has much more pressing problems than puttin
1936603;1568568908;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-15 00:45:39 lobbes: Plus I still have the various TMSR infrastructure that I pay for (my VPSen, my dedicated server), and prolly something else I'm forgetting. Still looking like the best way to cut this knot is via the remote work option (i.e. I'll need monthly income of some kind). But the beauty seems to be I can take a massive pay cut from what I make now, since my cost of living should be much lower in South America.
1936604;1568568913;lobbes;In other words, this is [http://trilema.com/2013/how-to-live-to-be-rich/?b=Step%20II.1.&e=#select][step II] ain't it? The *fact* is that I'm poor, so I may as well accept that and stop pretending otherwise, yes? I.e. No palpable difference between 90K WFF per month and 30K WFF per month; they are both the same level of poverty
1936605;1568568938;lobbes;s/per month/per year
1936606;1568569551;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936485 << because my decision was made hastily and prematurely imo. I don't think I needed to resign. I did so thinking I could eschew choice, but that is stupid; can't ever eschew choice wtf. And this dumb move will result in loss of coolness, as mircea_popescu pointed out; loss of privilege.
1936607;1568569551;ericbot;Logged on 2019-09-15 12:57:02 diana_coman: I just realised that it was probably not clear above: my point was why regret the *decision*.
1936608;1568569556;lobbes;anyways, this regret will go well with my [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-14#1002544][penance posts] on the consequences of derealisation inducing activities (mind rot is real!)
1936609;1568569556;ericbot;Logged on 2019-09-14 17:46:42 lobbes: Now, question is: what is proper penance in your opinion?
1936610;1568570180;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-13#1935892 << to come back to this: I spent a half-dozen hours last night educating myself on mysql replication. I hope to have this figured out (and tested on my own blog) by end of today (will post a handy guide, because why not)
1936611;1568570181;ericbot;Logged on 2019-09-13 08:17:35 mircea_popescu: anyways -- when are we looking at delivery ?
1936612;1568570189;lobbes;Now, are you cool with me releasing patches in pieces? I.e. First patch will be a bot that eats IRC and shits lines into a article on Trilema (under 'logs' category). Then subsequent patches for the rest of the asks.
1936613;1568570202;lobbes;OR would you prefer the whole thing at once?
1936614;1568576745;BingoBoingo;http://archive.is/5L8Cb << Local media on the invasion
1936615;1568579544;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936552 - so regret your haste then and/or specific choice-avoidance but not your decision; it was made at that time and it's done; regretting the decision only puts you in a very awkward position moving on because now what - you'll be a knight who regrets his decision of being a knight?
1936616;1568579544;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-15 14:46:06 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936485 << because my decision was made hastily and prematurely imo. I don't think I needed to resign. I did so thinking I could eschew choice, but that is stupid; can't ever eschew choice wtf. And this dumb move will result in loss of coolness, as mircea_popescu pointed out; loss of privilege.
1936617;1568579544;ericbot;Logged on 2019-09-15 12:57:02 diana_coman: I just realised that it was probably not clear above: my point was why regret the *decision*.
1936618;1568579831;lobbes;diana_coman: this is true, huh. Besides, worse things I could be than a knight! I'll take the opportunity to learn how to not decide things in haste for example
1936619;1568579882;diana_coman;sounds way better indeed.
1936620;1568580010;lobbes;ty as always for helping me to detangle my brain
1936621;1568580027;lobbes;BingoBoingo: I'm finding that your various updates make for amusing (if not challenging) spanish practice
1936622;1568580034;lobbes;http://archive.is/5L8Cb#selection-1483.105-1483.280  << E.g. I think this is: "Don't break the balls! We see here people crossing the square grabbing a rope because the wind was blowing them to shit, families littered along the ropes. In your face Netflix!"
1936623;1568580764;BingoBoingo;The breaking and not breaking of balls is an important concept here.
1936624;1568584453;mircea_popescu;all the bots!!!
1936625;1568584460;mircea_popescu;it's a botflurry
1936626;1568584684;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936550 << i dunno dood, you're selling houses, being poor, it's a stu. you'll have to sort it out for yourself, i can't figure it out from over here.
1936627;1568584685;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-15 14:19:48 lobbes: In other words, this is [http://trilema.com/2013/how-to-live-to-be-rich/?b=Step%20II.1.&e=#select][step II] ain't it? The *fact* is that I'm poor, so I may as well accept that and stop pretending otherwise, yes? I.e. No palpable difference between 90K WFF per month and 30K WFF per month; they are both the same level of poverty
1936628;1568584711;mircea_popescu;but, traditionally, owning real estate is what separates the bourgeoisie from the mob/vagrancie.
1936629;1568584837;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936554 << holy shit this can't continue, if you folk are going to let the logreaders read from other channels (which, honestly, i'm considering banning) at least prepend an [channel name] before or something.
1936630;1568584837;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-15 14:30:31 lobbes: anyways, this regret will go well with my [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-14#1002544][penance posts] on the consequences of derealisation inducing activities (mind rot is real!)
1936631;1568584837;ericbot;Logged on 2019-09-14 17:46:42 lobbes: Now, question is: what is proper penance in your opinion?
1936632;1568584850;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, lobbes diana_coman ^
1936633;1568584856;mircea_popescu;who else got loggers up ?
1936634;1568584927;lobbes;I think that is it for people running Stan loggers
1936635;1568584936;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936556 << kinda waste of time. the seed will just have been an import, and the comments/posts i intended to have handled from php.
1936636;1568584936;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-15 14:40:55 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-13#1935892 << to come back to this: I spent a half-dozen hours last night educating myself on mysql replication. I hope to have this figured out (and tested on my own blog) by end of today (will post a handy guide, because why not)
1936637;1568584937;ericbot;Logged on 2019-09-13 08:17:35 mircea_popescu: anyways -- when are we looking at delivery ?
1936638;1568584993;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936558 << sure.
1936639;1568584994;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-15 14:41:04 lobbes: Now, are you cool with me releasing patches in pieces? I.e. First patch will be a bot that eats IRC and shits lines into a article on Trilema (under 'logs' category). Then subsequent patches for the rest of the asks.
1936640;1568585009;mircea_popescu;no guarantee ima spot test tho.
1936641;1568585061;lobbes;kk
1936642;1568585211;lobbes;roger that then re: the mysql replication. I'll move onto other pieces
1936643;1568585303;*;lobbes will also cease quoting from other chans into #t
1936644;1568585589;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936572 << not an issue. I got this. I always figure it out eventually
1936645;1568585589;ericbot;Logged on 2019-09-15 21:59:05 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936550 << i dunno dood, you're selling houses, being poor, it's a stu. you'll have to sort it out for yourself, i can't figure it out from over here.
1936646;1568585590;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-15 14:19:48 lobbes: In other words, this is [http://trilema.com/2013/how-to-live-to-be-rich/?b=Step%20II.1.&e=#select][step II] ain't it? The *fact* is that I'm poor, so I may as well accept that and stop pretending otherwise, yes? I.e. No palpable difference between 90K WFF per month and 30K WFF per month; they are both the same level of poverty
1936647;1568590087;mircea_popescu;you can quote, but put a header.
1936648;1568590134;BingoBoingo;!Xbuy 121mn 31 1209 Wired Filthy Fiats, WU is fine but not preferred
1936649;1568590134;auctionbot;Buy order # 1059 created by BingoBoingo: 1209 Wired Filthy Fiats, WU is fine but not preferred Opening: 121mn ecu Ending: 2019-09-16 18:40:30.513019 UTC (30 hours)
1936650;1568590815;hanbot;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936285 << more's the point is that your "household" consists of a WoT non-entity (afaik, actually. is it?) that may or may not be just as clueless about saying something here if you get a touch of The Butt. aesthetipolitical bents, righteous as they may be, pale by comparison.
1936651;1568590815;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-14 19:46:49 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936066 << I trolled the shit out of girl earlier, "babe, we're moving to Portland" and "What the fuck?! I'm not living in blue-haired hell!" panicpanicpanic before I started cackling. I think I'll be ok.
1936652;1568591151;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-charlie-sheen-has-an-awesome-experience-this-time-with-drugs-and-a-hooker-which-was-the-same-as-last-time-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thelastpsychiatrist.com - Charlie Sheen Has An Awesome Experience, This Time With Drugs and A Hooker, Which Was The Same As Last Time. Adnotated.
1936653;1568592271;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936575 << i can either switch off echo from cross-chan or put in marker , let mircea_popescu say which when he wakes up ( will make it a knob. )
1936654;1568592272;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-15 18:45:12 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936554 << holy shit this can't continue, if you folk are going to let the logreaders read from other channels (which, honestly, i'm considering banning) at least prepend an [channel name] before or something.
1936655;1568592320;asciilifeform;graphical browsers tell you url when hovering, but e.g. lynx does not, prolly explains why mircea_popescu went grr
1936656;1568592455;asciilifeform;will be a gnarly knob, cuz under no circumstances am i running a bot that dun cross-echo in ~my~ castle.
1936657;1568592534;asciilifeform;( e.g. cross_post=asciilifeform,...,..., )
1936658;1568592558;asciilifeform;diana_coman, spyked , lobbes , BingoBoingo , lemme know if you want yours in that list .
1936659;1568592682;asciilifeform;( and mircea_popescu , say if you want yours excluded, or alternatively prefix '[chan] Logged on xxxx-xx-xx.... foo' etc. )
1936660;1568592745;asciilifeform;this prolly won't go in until end of week, all changes to bot are to be tested to death before rollout.
1936661;1568592835;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936574 << iirc lobbes said that he had it on credit, rather than owned. (but can't find in log, so maybe i dreamed it)
1936662;1568592835;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-15 18:43:07 mircea_popescu: but, traditionally, owning real estate is what separates the bourgeoisie from the mob/vagrancie.
1936663;1568593131;lobbes;^ this is correct. It is a liability right now, not an asset as far as I'm concerned
1936664;1568593192;asciilifeform;iirc the way these typically work in usa, is that 'buyer' spends decade+ paying just the interest
1936665;1568593248;asciilifeform;(i.e. when 'sells', gets 0)
1936666;1568593288;lobbes;indeed, is a scam. I fell for the 'well, my mortgage will be a fixed cost vs rising rents' thinking, but neglected to factor in cost of maintenance, rising property taxes, whathaveyou
1936667;1568593306;lobbes;i.e. I have a long road ahead of me out of poorandstupid-town
1936668;1568593497;asciilifeform;lobbes: this may be a geographic thing, or simply asciilifeform's luck, but when renting 'from human' never 1nce experienced rising cost. they're extremely reluctant to raise it, because 'what happens if this d00d leaves and aint replaced until months later, or is replaced with a normal person who dun maintain w/ own hands' etc
1936669;1568593619;asciilifeform;asciilifeform's prev. landlord did errything short of begging on knees, 'pleez dun go'
1936670;1568593685;asciilifeform;i dunno whether to believe, but he said that even paying on schedule erry single month is unusual nowadays...
1936671;1568593745;asciilifeform;( and even that typical tenant nao does things like punch hole in wall w/ fist and then demand that landlord fix for phree )
1936672;1568593876;lobbes;oh yeah, my mom used to be a landlord back before I was born. Would tell horror stories of tenants writing curses in literal shit on the walls when she had to evict them for non-payment
1936673;1568593944;asciilifeform;him:'usually i have to redo the drywall when folx leave, but yours is perfect, how?' a: (holding tin of spackle behind back) 'by magic'
1936674;1568593981;asciilifeform;lobbes: 'normal people tenant' is apparently vehehery interesting concept in this part of world
1936675;1568593999;lobbes;but I suspect you are correct re: human owners + geographics. Charlotte is a typical "bubble" city; low corp tax rates attract the banking industry, which fuels the need for meatworkers, but apparently NC doesn't produce skilled-enough workers on its own, so for the last few decades has been importing 'em (virtually all the people on my team are not from NC)
1936676;1568594030;lobbes;which attracts the 'non human' rental corps. along with rising rents
1936677;1568594038;asciilifeform;asciilifeform to current landlord (another ru d00d) : 'you can keep the weather station tower when i go, i won't need it where i'll go'
1936678;1568594066;asciilifeform;lobbes: the 'organized' co.'s are 100% poison, avoid'em if at all possible in usa
1936679;1568594263;asciilifeform;lobbes: i found out that in many locales in tardschwitz, incl. this 1, tenants 'have rights'(tm)(r) and can take yr+ to extract one if he stops paying... and that this happens regularly
1936680;1568594323;asciilifeform;( and, moar staggeringly, 'clock' on this 'yr+' ~resets~ if the derp scrapes together some pennies and pays ~1 month~ )
1936681;1568594363;lobbes;insanity. "cannot own" in US verily
1936682;1568594405;asciilifeform;the takehome moral from this, is that if someone expects to make serious profit by renting out residential sqmetrage in usa -- think again.
1936683;1568594472;asciilifeform;( yet someone builds the blocks of flats . how they make profit ? very simply, tlp-style, i.e. by leasing to welfare mooches, these come w/ guaranteed subsidy from usg. )
1936684;1568595913;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: There's also the popular in 401k REITs that turn retirement savings dollars into real estate bubble dollars
1936685;1568601956;feedbot;http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/09/mp-wp-bot-work-plan-week-2/ << lobbesblog -- mp-wp bot work plan: week 2
1936686;1568617721;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, asciilifeform a [#chan] marker from bot sounds good to me; in #o for now at least I'd rather it cross-echoes indeed but I can see also why this might not be appropriate for #t
1936687;1568618119;diana_coman;fwiw, I think the whole thread there belonged better in #o possibly starting with http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936342
1936688;1568618119;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-14 20:41:10 lobbes: Of course I'm already regretting that resignation thinking I did that with my classic 'jumpy reasoning'; I think what I really needed was clarity, which comes from communication, which has been working pretty well so far.
1936689;1568622376;mircea_popescu;and speaking of http://trilema.com/2019/concedo-hoc/#comment-131427 : i'm pretty sure i read trinque referring to the laughable playdates of the menalone as "wankastery" / "wankasteries", as a transparent adjustment of monastery to more truthfully reflect its real function
1936690;1568622380;mircea_popescu;but i can't seem to find it ?!
1936691;1568622492;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936599 << plox marker.
1936692;1568622492;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-15 20:49:08 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936575 << i can either switch off echo from cross-chan or put in marker , let mircea_popescu say which when he wakes up ( will make it a knob. )
1936693;1568622560;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936602 << okay, but what's the problem with it echoing "[trilema] <mircea_popescu> but i can't seem to find it ?!" rather than "<mircea_popescu> but i can't seem to find it ?!"
1936694;1568622561;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-15 20:52:11 asciilifeform: will be a gnarly knob, cuz under no circumstances am i running a bot that dun cross-echo in ~my~ castle.
1936695;1568622676;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936596 << i imagine the ~perceived~ pressure on nameless womanhood is quite immense, "omfg, what do i say, what if they make fun of me, they're gonna say i never installed linux from scratch as if it implied i'm half a dead man riding about on half a dead rabbit!!!"
1936696;1568622676;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-15 20:24:51 hanbot: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936285 << more's the point is that your "household" consists of a WoT non-entity (afaik, actually. is it?) that may or may not be just as clueless about saying something here if you get a touch of The Butt. aesthetipolitical bents, righteous as they may be, pale by comparison.
1936697;1568622775;mircea_popescu;it's an ecology problem, very much of the [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2017-12-13#1751411][cycle] variety ; an' will have to be addressed, though in this particular case the corner naive gent's painted himself in is SO FAR OUT THERE, and there's SO MUCH GOD DAMNED PAINT surface, it'll take a while to unwind.
1936698;1568622777;snsabot;Logged on 2017-12-13 23:52:25 asciilifeform: also it is not so hot , as a tuner, 'shits where it eats' quite severely
1936699;1568622838;mircea_popescu;(i dun even mean trinque specifically, the naive gent's a universal, anyone who never seriously thought about these things in these forms for these reasons five or ten years ago, meaning practically everyone.)
1936700;1568622975;mircea_popescu;then of course there's the hallucinatoria of the coy reflex, girl who's never taken a stroll nude down the busy street imagines it's gonna be the end of the world!!! much like the guy taking a stumble imagines everyone's watchin' an' judging, AS FUCKING IF they could unglue their eyes off the i[nca[pods long enough to notice their own fucking shoes are on fire.
1936701;1568623254;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936605 << actually since we're doing this, i'd like the whole thing reviewed, as follows :
1936702;1568623254;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-15 20:55:59 asciilifeform: ( and mircea_popescu , say if you want yours excluded, or alternatively prefix '[chan] Logged on xxxx-xx-xx.... foo' etc. )
1936703;1568623330;mircea_popescu;"snsabot Logged on 2017-12-13 23:52:25 asciilifeform:" should become "snsabot 2017-12-13 [ossasepia] asciilifeform:" for all reads of a foreign log, and "snsabot 2017-12-13 asciilifeform:" for all reads of this here log.
1936704;1568623346;mircea_popescu;who wants the time of day, let him go look.
1936705;1568623438;mircea_popescu;going from a fixed 53 bytes header to either 46 or more generally 34 seems a fabulous gain in any case.
1936706;1568623489;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936611 << good thing he makes "a lot of money" then.
1936707;1568623490;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-15 21:05:24 asciilifeform: (i.e. when 'sells', gets 0)
1936708;1568623540;mircea_popescu;no wonder zeks end up crushed under dependopopotami in their private relations -- at least it's consequent, the bitch at home behaves exactly like the home itself, spend decade to get 0.
1936709;1568623618;mircea_popescu;explains a lot, such as the "motorcycle" clubs consisting of fellows who buy motorcycle parts for an alleged motorcycle that has more in common with a tchotchke than an actual conveyance, IN THAT IT DOESN'T FUCKING MOVE
1936710;1568623743;mircea_popescu;useless children spawned by useless women lodged in useless houses wherein a mancave fulla unusable paraphenalia of inutility are uselessly stored... what a fucking life. the only possible progression is towards tranquilizers, and on the basis of the cheapest being weed this theory'd indicate "a weed epidemic".
1936711;1568623897;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936612 << you bought it ~[http://trilema.com/2015/argentina-for-business/?b=Why%20would&e=at%20all#select][as an inflation play]~ ?! holy hell man, what the fuck's wrong with schooling there. inflation is the enemy of old men, what the fuck does a 20yo care, holy shit it's all backwards.
1936712;1568623898;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-15 21:06:04 lobbes: indeed, is a scam. I fell for the 'well, my mortgage will be a fixed cost vs rising rents' thinking, but neglected to factor in cost of maintenance, rising property taxes, whathaveyou
1936713;1568623920;mircea_popescu;let's do some practical home economics likbez :
1936714;1568623987;mircea_popescu;IF the problem is that the currency is shit (which is strictly what "rising rents" means : if rents are rising, THEREFORE the currency is shit. if urine is sweet, THEREFORE diabethes, no iffs or butts about it, these are NOT separable), then owning real estate is a very poor solution : real estate follows the currency secular trend
1936715;1568624014;mircea_popescu;if currency is strong and stays strong, real estate goes up in value, which is how owning land in republican rome or expansive venice paid out.
1936716;1568624044;mircea_popescu;if however the currency flags, real estate forthwith moves into emergency monetization role, meaning you want to short it as part of a triple currency play.
1936717;1568624078;mircea_popescu;(which is why us banks LEND you houses : it's the other part of their international trade where they borrow hard currency.)
1936718;1568624130;mircea_popescu;that was part 1, as to financials.
1936719;1568624354;mircea_popescu;IF you are a young man, and are producing more than consuming (if not, please [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2018-01-08#1767168][follow the recipe] for gender re-assignment, you don't belong here), you should save ~in capital goods~ specifically ~of your trade~.
1936720;1568624354;snsabot;Logged on 2018-01-08 12:21:33 btcvixen: Yes it does, as my government id says "Sex: F"
1936721;1568624366;mircea_popescu;that's what you do with every dime you can save : you buy your own tools! to become journeyman!
1936722;1568624389;mircea_popescu;if you're making a living driving a car, you buy CARS. if you're making a living fixing cars, you buy forklifts and power tools.
1936723;1568624398;mircea_popescu;the only 20something who can reasonably buy real estate is... a pimp.
1936724;1568624457;mircea_popescu;if you're not a fucking pimp, you don't buy real estate in your 20s. and if you are a pimp, you buy in fucking baltimore, you buy in the blighted downtown of detroit or philly or whatever the shit. NOT crap in suburbia ;
1936725;1568624469;mircea_popescu;and in any case you don't buy crap made ~for you~ by people who ~you do not know~.
1936726;1568624489;mircea_popescu;what the fuck, are you retarded ? if people who you don't know are making things for you, the name for the thing they're making is A TRAP
1936727;1568624599;mircea_popescu;either you buy made to order like [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2018-11-25#1874630][my serb friends], or else you buy leftover brownstone nobody else wants, etcetera. what the fuck, this is novel to someone ?! why, because "do we still have to" read 1700s state of the art textbooks on personal conduct ?
1936728;1568624600;snsabot;Logged on 2018-11-25 13:50:17 a111: Logged on 2014-09-10 15:02 mircea_popescu: well yeah. was a bunch o people, they got building permit and proceeded to built like at home. concrete pillars, brick walls etc.
1936729;1568624663;mircea_popescu;that was part 2, as to journeyman economic conduct.
1936730;1568624742;mircea_popescu;if you're a young man, YOU DO NOT BUY ILLIQUID, NON-NEGOTIABLE ANYTHING!!!! i don't mean, with money. i mean with anything. you have enough sense to keep your sexual relationships at will rather than get fucking married, fine, but the same applies throughout.
1936731;1568624761;mircea_popescu;buying "a house" from "the bank" is THE EXACT EQUIVALENT of giving your savings to your dad "to hold on to them for you". what the fuck, are you twelve ?
1936732;1568624858;mircea_popescu;things flow the other way, your aging dad gives you the duchy of cornwall for you to hold on to for him, what the fuck is this ? and if dad ~dun have~ a duchy of cornwall large enough to keep you occupied, ~you leave~. and you spit on his head, too, because HE FAILED in life. because this was his fucking job : by the time the sons he made were old enough to do something useful with histime, he was supposed to have so much
1936733;1568624858;mircea_popescu;fucking land and chattels as to be desperate for loyal hands, and more than happy to "go, take x, hang yourself with it, holy hell finally!"
1936734;1568624950;mircea_popescu;as a young orphan with potential, you keep to negotiable instruments. that's why the young men of florence who did get to be old men and successful enough as to buy up all the young cunts for gold to all the failures' despair went into trade rather than bureaucracy!
1936735;1568624956;mircea_popescu;NEGOTIABLE.
1936736;1568624975;mircea_popescu;if whatever the fuck it is "you have" can't be ~sold~, on the ~open market~, YOU ARE NOT INTERESTED IN IT.
1936737;1568625033;mircea_popescu;you will be interested, of course, BUT FIVE DECADES HENCE. when you're old. then the sort of non-negotiable commitment makes sense. not in your fucking 20s, so spare me with all the "jobs" you can not sell (yes, this is what "working remote" IS, SELLING IT!!!), all the "college degrees" worth 0 on auction, and all the etcetera.
1936738;1568625054;mircea_popescu;this was part 3, as to commercial aptitude.
1936739;1568625121;mircea_popescu;there's more, and besideswhich a lot more to all of these foregoing parts, but holy hell... seriously, [http://trilema.com/2012/c-asa-i-romanu-cind-se-sumeteste/][nobody ever thinks of things] or what is the problem here !?
1936740;1568625347;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-16#1936660 << this is why, eg, greenwhich village even fucking happened in the 50s : rents were SO LOW a bunch of niggers getting together for an evening could sing themselves into the month's rent. it was CHEAPER to live there than in whatever alabama that spawned them. because back then the currency was strong, because etc.
1936741;1568625348;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-16 05:37:45 mircea_popescu: IF the problem is that the currency is shit (which is strictly what "rising rents" means : if rents are rising, THEREFORE the currency is shit. if urine is sweet, THEREFORE diabethes, no iffs or butts about it, these are NOT separable), then owning real estate is a very poor solution : real estate follows the currency secular trend
1936742;1568625612;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936614 << duh.
1936743;1568625613;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-15 21:09:33 asciilifeform: lobbes: this may be a geographic thing, or simply asciilifeform's luck, but when renting 'from human' never 1nce experienced rising cost. they're extremely reluctant to raise it, because 'what happens if this d00d leaves and aint replaced until months later, or is replaced with a normal person who dun maintain w/ own hands' etc
1936744;1568625683;mircea_popescu;not to mention the MOST important element, by far : as a young orphan (and if your dad dun have any duchies for you, you ARE an orphan, whether you admit it or not ; denial won't fix status) you WANT to get in the way of men-who-aren't-as-fucked-in-the-head-and-offensively-useless-and-retarded as that mongrel dog your drunk of a mother fucked to produce you.
1936745;1568625746;mircea_popescu;renting means you rent from some dude who owns, and you're better off with some dude who owns in your life than without. ESPECIALLY because you're an orphan. and you're paying, and paying on time, and doing other things (eg your very own quote, "maintain with own hands"), it is infinitely better for you to have than to not have.
1936746;1568625855;mircea_popescu;the hierarchy of consume-more-than-produce young females is very strictly 1. girls who found themselves a sponsor, who fucks them and pays their rent ABOVE 2. morons living in state-run orphanage. the SAME EXACT thing applies to boys too, just because you pay your own rent doesn't change the disposition in the field, doesn't make up down and down up.
1936747;1568626150;mircea_popescu;which is even the incentive to own real estate as an old man : you get a wider aperture, to meet the better cut of youth. supposing you're too retarded to [http://trilema.com/2018/fetlikeslol/][apply numerical methods], nevertheless, this is what you'll be doing with your time : sifting through the pile of worthless goop spit out by [http://trilema.com/2015/quantum-mechanics-today-a-machine-to-turn-penis-projectile-vibrati
1936748;1568626150;mircea_popescu;on-into-eyelash-flutter/][the evercunt], trying [http://trilema.com/2017/damele-dameleee/?b=The%20top&e=descendingly#select][to find the workable pieces].
1936749;1568626354;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936615 << i have very close relations with my assorted an' endless pile of various landlords scattered on 4 continents also. and I LIKE IT THAT WAY.
1936750;1568626354;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-15 21:11:35 asciilifeform: asciilifeform's prev. landlord did errything short of begging on knees, 'pleez dun go'
1936751;1568626445;mircea_popescu;you'd think that some dude everyone was butthurt about being worth a billion back when bitcoin crossed 1k the first "time could afford to own" ; but that's all a red herring, SPECIFICALLY the [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-18#1929556][dumb old mula] red herring. it's not a matter of affording, it's a matter of not wanting to.
1936752;1568626446;snsabot;Logged on 2019-08-18 09:59:04 mp_en_viaje: i can almost hear the cageworthy old woman impelling the nonsense, too, "oh, why don't you want to do $random-stupid-shit, ~are you too scared?!?!?!?~".
1936753;1568626534;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936616 << "rising cost of rents" aka "we got so many of you retards ''''buying'''' in the sense of underwriting our downside so we can eat the upside undisturbed, we lost count".
1936754;1568626535;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-15 21:12:41 asciilifeform: i dunno whether to believe, but he said that even paying on schedule erry single month is unusual nowadays...
1936755;1568626607;mircea_popescu;what the fuck sorta rattle gotta be going on in some dude's brain to ACTUALLY BELIEVE what the fucking bankers are telling them, when engaged in a negotiation for the very thing the bankers make their money from. what, you thought all the advertising exists as a private gift from aliens ?! it's there BECAUSE these idiots rely on breaking down social communication to insert their shit in the gaps, wtf.
1936756;1568626658;mircea_popescu;every zek is shocked to see romanians will liberally ask about income, with no shits give, of people they just met. and "how much was this", and "what did you pay for that", and etcetera.
1936757;1568626677;mircea_popescu;ustard can't ask his fucking wife how much she makes, and this isn't "so that the corporations pay less because employees can't compare notes"
1936758;1568626681;mircea_popescu;it's so EMPLOYEES HAVE NO FRIENDS!
1936759;1568626700;mircea_popescu;same thing "hr policy" does : it prevents the formation of natural fucking hierarchy and independently functioning groups.
1936760;1568626761;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: fwiw I suspect what "gotta be going on" is ~= fear (coming out of being entirely and utterly unprepared to deal with it if "not believing")
1936761;1568626819;mircea_popescu;so that no hussy who utterly deserved it gets raped occasionally (ie, whenever someone can be arsed, which comes to way the fuck less frequently than she'd like), everyone gets raped all the time in all the holes. great fucking deal, what can i tell you. [http://trilema.com/2011/deci-de-revelion-acum-niste-ani/][let them be raped in the workplace], they'll be ok.
1936762;1568626831;mircea_popescu;rape's a lot better for the young woman than socialism for society.
1936763;1568626848;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, i suppose.
1936764;1568626869;mircea_popescu;existential anxiety, whynot.
1936765;1568626937;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936617 << in fairness, that was not a wall in the first place. should be fixed anyways.
1936766;1568626938;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-15 21:13:42 asciilifeform: ( and even that typical tenant nao does things like punch hole in wall w/ fist and then demand that landlord fix for phree )
1936767;1568628416;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936626 << heh. i guess the only practicable way to rent in the us is actually like lobbes stumbled upon : pick up chicks, don't put them on the lease, work them for the keep and dismiss when done.
1936768;1568628417;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-15 21:23:19 asciilifeform: ( and, moar staggeringly, 'clock' on this 'yr+' ~resets~ if the derp scrapes together some pennies and pays ~1 month~ )
1936769;1568628434;mircea_popescu;kinda how this worked throughout history, actually, and very much specifically because "have rights". hence the manor system.
1936770;1568628541;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936628 << or rather, "that if you expect the king to send his men to make YOU a profit, think again". if you wanna turn a profit, you gotta do it ~OUTSIDE OF INCA~. hence i suppose all the "massage parlours" etc.
1936771;1568628542;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-15 21:24:42 asciilifeform: the takehome moral from this, is that if someone expects to make serious profit by renting out residential sqmetrage in usa -- think again.
1936772;1568643185;diana_coman;asciilifeform: is there a link to "first day of log" for a chan? I don't know if I just can't see it or there just isn't one.
1936773;1568644279;asciilifeform;diana_coman: there isn't currently any such thing. ( what asciilifeform was orig. wanting to make, was a 'calendar page' thing. but not attempted yet. )
1936774;1568644407;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-16#1936649 << this is good idea. i'ma sew it exactly like so, later this wk -- unless lobbes et al beat me to it
1936775;1568644407;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-16 05:26:48 mircea_popescu: "snsabot Logged on 2017-12-13 23:52:25 asciilifeform:" should become "snsabot 2017-12-13 [ossasepia] asciilifeform:" for all reads of a foreign log, and "snsabot 2017-12-13 asciilifeform:" for all reads of this here log.
1936776;1568644449;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-16#1936685 << /me read likbez twice so it sank in. Filed under 'home ec 101' in personal collection of log threads.
1936777;1568644449;ericbot;Logged on 2019-09-16 09:13:02 mircea_popescu: there's more, and besideswhich a lot more to all of these foregoing parts, but holy hell... seriously, [http://trilema.com/2012/c-asa-i-romanu-cind-se-sumeteste/][nobody ever thinks of things] or what is the problem here !?
1936778;1568644456;lobbes;Thank you (and I mean that in earnest)
1936779;1568644543;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-16#1936654 << afaik it was the ameritards who even invented 'rent to own' scam to start with. i.e. where you 'buy' and get all the ~unwanted~ aspects of ownership (gotta do 100% of maintenance; if it wears down, replace at own expense -- there are people paying for 3 cars who have to walk, all over usa) but 0 of the desirable (i.e. ~actually~ owning, ability to sell)
1936780;1568644545;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-16 05:30:18 mircea_popescu: no wonder zeks end up crushed under dependopopotami in their private relations -- at least it's consequent, the bitch at home behaves exactly like the home itself, spend decade to get 0.
1936781;1568648921;diana_coman;asciilifeform, lobbes ugh, logger actually strips ":" away from payload, did you notice this? as in: this makes to the db "as in this makes it to the db"
1936782;1568648964;diana_coman;uhm, apparently not? so it's just a historical thing, ugh
1936783;1568649081;diana_coman;maybe it's the converter's problem actually, I'll have to investigate it.
1936784;1568649236;mircea_popescu;hurr: durr: keks trosc
1936785;1568649242;*;mircea_popescu hurr: durr: keks trosc
1936786;1568649274;mircea_popescu;nothign untoward detece
1936787;1568649277;mircea_popescu;detected*
1936788;1568649447;diana_coman;yes; I was reading #o logs from some time back and noticed missing : ; checked in the db and they were missing there too although present in local irssi log.
1936789;1568649553;asciilifeform;diana_coman: dun seem to be caused by my proggy ( but loox like you already found )
1936790;1568650315;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in romanians-are-retarded lulz, “Tânăr frumos, curat, caut două fete pentru a le găzdui, ofer cazare gratis în apartament de 55 de metri pătraţi. Ofer poze în privat, cer igienă maximă şi discreţie pe măsură… Mai multe detalii, la telefon sau în privat. Generozitatea mă caracterizeaza din toate punctele de vedere, de preferat studente sau doamne până în 35 de ani, fără obligaţii”
1936791;1568650345;mircea_popescu;dude's looking to start a castle of an ad-hoc republic of his own, in ~600 sq ft in the ghetto that's romania.
1936792;1568650364;mircea_popescu;via hardcopy want ads, like it's charlie manson days, no less.
1936793;1568650390;mircea_popescu;AND, amusingly, "generous in ALL SENSES OF THE WORD!!!"
1936794;1568650400;mircea_popescu;dood actually thinks this.
1936795;1568650822;asciilifeform;diana_coman: when you fix your copy, i'ma reimport, ping me
1936796;1568651142;diana_coman;asciilifeform: thank you, will do.
1936797;1568651196;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: you know, I had read precisely that sort of ads ad nauseam quite some year ago in local newspapers/whatevers in ploiesti/bucharest
1936798;1568651209;mircea_popescu;im sure.
1936799;1568651224;mircea_popescu;truth be told, besides the wholesale trade in meats, there's ~o utility remaining to the rotards.
1936800;1568651228;diana_coman;it's one of those things where I can't figure out if they each "thought" the same nonsensical way to end up with the same shit or they just copied it
1936801;1568651248;mircea_popescu;"intel angajeaza" the 1-2% or so of recyclable bois, and otherwise babyolon angajeaza the 4-6% of fuckable girlies.
1936802;1568651251;mircea_popescu;other than this... what ?
1936803;1568651287;mircea_popescu;whole country could just be deported to the lime pits tomorrow to no conceivable detriment.
1936804;1568651313;mircea_popescu;who's gonna miss a slightly geographically misplaced clone of ukraina, and why would they !?
1936805;1568653237;mircea_popescu;meanwhile http://www.zdp.ro/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Prostituate-DN1-Campina.jpg
1936806;1568654395;asciilifeform;lolwtf, matchstick people
1936807;1568654588;mircea_popescu;nice stockings tho ; my girls got similar.
1936808;1568654638;asciilifeform;rright but in the linked pic it is rather like putting stockings on bicycle fork
1936809;1568654840;mircea_popescu;yeah well... they got what they got.
1936810;1568654912;mircea_popescu;actually [https://www.ebihoreanul.ro/stiri/ultima-or-31-6-20/scandalul-babylon-manechine-scoase-la-produs-91356.html][the shit] supposed pimps put up with is mindboggling, compare and contrast with http://trilema.com/2019/get-lost-dumbo/
1936811;1568654935;mircea_popescu;sucks being these tryina-be wanna-be sadpeople.
1936812;1568654980;*;asciilifeform perhaps odd, but associates stockings like this with dour 17th c d00dz like old man gottfried leibniz , rather than chix
1936813;1568655034;mircea_popescu;or for that matter [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bb/Charles_II_by_John_Michael_Wright.jpg][charles 2].
1936814;1568655085;mircea_popescu;restless he rolls from whore to whore, a merry monarch, scandalous and poor ; a very pretty, witty king whose word no man relies on, he never said a foolish thing nor ever did a wise one
1936815;1568655112;asciilifeform;lol that beats a hell of a lot of kings
1936816;1568655121;mircea_popescu;ikr. he was quite popular, too.
1936817;1568655155;asciilifeform;( could even describe brezhnev, in his 1st coupla yrs on throne )
1936818;1568655174;mircea_popescu;haha
1936819;1568655177;mircea_popescu;just about huh
1936820;1568655203;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: afaik he was the 1 sovok fuhrer who managed to have a bit of fun in civilian life.
1936821;1568655210;asciilifeform;charlesII-style.
1936822;1568655229;mircea_popescu;beria did ok
1936823;1568655247;asciilifeform;[insert beria thread!111]
1936824;1568657898;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/09/google-softens-on-employee-speech-after-consulting-great-inca/ << Qntra -- Google Softens On Employee Speech After Consulting Great Inca
1936825;1568666564;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-16#1936741 - fixed and dump manually updated; it turned out the mess-up was caused by a mix-up of local log formats (ie ran like an idiot the awk script on the not-matching format; basically I have too many logs all around)
1936826;1568666564;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-16 13:20:43 asciilifeform: diana_coman: when you fix your copy, i'ma reimport, ping me
1936827;1568666618;diana_coman;in the process I updated the awk importer too but I don't even know if it's any use given that I'm not 100% sure what is "irssi standard format" really
1936828;1568666739;diana_coman;tbh that was my initial reluctance with making converter a .vpatch to start with; maybe it makes sense to still make it a .vpatch but with clear example of format since just saying "irssi" might not be quite enough.
1936829;1568667873;mircea_popescu;anyone remember this ancient cartoon on trilema, from the early days of "bitcoin bankers", of the substance of some dude holding up some pencildick at an atm, and the pencildick ranting all the while about interest rates and loans /
1936830;1568667877;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo, ?
1936831;1568668087;BingoBoingo;I can't recall that one.
1936832;1568668254;*;lobbes recalls comic but not the specific trilema
1936833;1568668478;mircea_popescu;damn
1936834;1568668552;BingoBoingo;remember which "bankers" were involved?
1936835;1568668699;mircea_popescu;oh, was the early dorkitude. http://trilema.com/2012/bitcoin-lolcows-the-musical-today-kludge/ &co
1936836;1568668738;mircea_popescu;an; that australian fuckwit stockbroker who was defrauding dudes online and was then VERY SURPRISED when i had him fired / banned from trading wtf his name was
1936837;1568668746;mircea_popescu;hearn-something
1936838;1568668779;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/cultural-learnings-of-polimedia-for-make-benefit-glorious-user-of-irc/ << o look, ancient wots.
1936839;1568668788;BingoBoingo;Found one: http://trilema.com/2013/what-the-drug-trade-is-how-the-drug-trade-works-and-why-silk-road-didnt-work-and-didnt-matter/#footnote_6_49796
1936840;1568668820;mircea_popescu;fuuuck!
1936841;1568668822;mircea_popescu;tyvm bb
1936842;1568668838;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> an; that australian fuckwit stockbroker who was defrauding dudes online and was then VERY SURPRISED when i had him fired / banned from trading wtf his name was << Harnett and you did that in 2012
1936843;1568668910;mircea_popescu;that's right! harnett
1936844;1568668935;mircea_popescu;dawg, we've been at this for a WHILE, have we.
1936845;1568668977;BingoBoingo;Harnett was still in my tentative reading from outside period
1936846;1568669065;*;mircea_popescu is very glad he asked.
1936847;1568669069;mircea_popescu;saved me an hour
1936848;1568669251;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-16#1936774 << fwiw, during my testing of the irssi converter I noticed my irssi had very different formatting than the example you provided (It padded the < nicks > for e.g., and formatted the timestamps slightly different). Seems to be format variability between instances indeed
1936849;1568669251;ericbot;Logged on 2019-09-16 20:46:42 diana_coman: tbh that was my initial reluctance with making converter a .vpatch to start with; maybe it makes sense to still make it a .vpatch but with clear example of format since just saying "irssi" might not be quite enough.
1936850;1568669350;lobbes;still is value in having the initial vpatch, I think. Though there is the point [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935641][that conversion never ends]
1936851;1568669350;ericbot;Logged on 2019-09-11 20:38:43 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-10#1935452 << conversion being traditionally this task that never ends.
1936852;1568669351;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-10 23:54:10 lobbes: will probably ammend the READMEs of all converters once this testing phase is over. For better clarity on expected irssi/znc log formats

1936853;1568669697;lobbes;I guess what I'm asking is should we bother patching for all permutations of possible formats, or just stick with diana_coman's original and state what it expects. To my limited eye I'd say the latter is the saner approach
1936854;1568670235;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-16#1936774 << if this was actual bug in your 'irssi2tmsr' tool, plox to vpatch
1936855;1568670235;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-16 17:30:20 diana_coman: tbh that was my initial reluctance with making converter a .vpatch to start with; maybe it makes sense to still make it a .vpatch but with clear example of format since just saying "irssi" might not be quite enough.
1936856;1568670301;asciilifeform;diana_coman: lemme know how you want the db on dulap corrected ( 'drop where chan='ossasepia'... & import ? then plox to deedbot a replacement dump of #o )
1936857;1568671838;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-check-out-my-new-acura-ads-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thelastpsychiatrist.com - Check Out My New Acura -- ads? Adnotated.
1936858;1568675416;hanbot;yo trinque, deedbot doesn't like hanbot-abroad's attempts to register with a pubkey pasted to paste.deedbot.org (Import failed), ideas?
1936859;1568677287;lobbes;hanbot: it would seem you already registered that key [http://wot.deedbot.org/32553F43A24B86DA3750F0E2F8692ACD2821F6D6.html][(and rated back in march)]
1936860;1568677295;*;lobbes coincidentally saw that key a few hours ago while grabbing your main key for a mp-wp install for testing
1936861;1568677776;hanbot;lol ty. what a fun head i've got.
1936862;1568677926;hanbot;actually nah, that's hanbot-abroad. i'm trying to register hanbot_abroad, possibly deedbot doesn't like the similarity.
1936863;1568679658;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in antique lulz, http://trilema.com/2010/prea-multa-presiune/
1936864;1568679664;*;mircea_popescu shall be to bed, this is getting too historical.
1936865;1568689653;trinque;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936596 << she can pull my levers just fine if bid, don't worry.
1936866;1568689654;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-15 20:24:51 hanbot: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936285 << more's the point is that your "household" consists of a WoT non-entity (afaik, actually. is it?) that may or may not be just as clueless about saying something here if you get a touch of The Butt. aesthetipolitical bents, righteous as they may be, pale by comparison.
1936867;1568689777;trinque;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-16#1936635 << couldn't tell ya. every once in a while I crack off a halfway decent neologism
1936868;1568689778;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-16 05:10:54 mircea_popescu: and speaking of http://trilema.com/2019/concedo-hoc/#comment-131427 : i'm pretty sure i read trinque referring to the laughable playdates of the menalone as "wankastery" / "wankasteries", as a transparent adjustment of monastery to more truthfully reflect its real function
1936869;1568690012;trinque;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-16#1936641 << after the gentoo bottling experience I barely wanted anything to do with computers, so by now it'd be a selector for sense to have not.
1936870;1568690012;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-16 05:15:54 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936596 << i imagine the ~perceived~ pressure on nameless womanhood is quite immense, "omfg, what do i say, what if they make fun of me, they're gonna say i never installed linux from scratch as if it implied i'm half a dead man riding about on half a dead rabbit!!!"
1936871;1568690179;asciilifeform;trinque: per http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-02-07#1893456 ?
1936872;1568690179;snsabot;Logged on 2019-02-07 14:22:35 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a greybeard once told asciilifeform , 'you dun know it, but you got finite # loc in you, once you've written them will stand the machine no moar and have to move to forest and eat bark'. i'm not even convinced that it was joke.
1936873;1568690258;trinque;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-16#1936681 << this is excellent fucking advice, as always.
1936874;1568690258;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-16 05:53:54 mircea_popescu: NEGOTIABLE.
1936875;1568690387;trinque;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-16#1936713 << heh, uhm, on my 7th or so cycle of this... bad at even pimping over here!
1936876;1568690387;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-16 06:51:35 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936626 << heh. i guess the only practicable way to rent in the us is actually like lobbes stumbled upon : pick up chicks, don't put them on the lease, work them for the keep and dismiss when done.
1936877;1568690433;trinque;asciilifeform: per exactly that.
1936878;1568690472;trinque;isn't loc though. you have a finite amount of exposure to nonsense before you kill someone else, kill yourself, or go mad.
1936879;1568690594;asciilifeform;trinque: hypothetically might be interesting to see what programming greybeards are like on planet where can eat 9000 loc w/out breathing in nonsense dust. but i haven't been to that planet.
1936880;1568691045;trinque;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-16#1936804 << lemme see what logs turn up. it will indeed barf if same fp is used.
1936881;1568691045;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-16 19:54:58 hanbot: yo trinque, deedbot doesn't like hanbot-abroad's attempts to register with a pubkey pasted to paste.deedbot.org (Import failed), ideas?
1936882;1568691853;trinque;I see a hanbot-abroad registered. http://wot.deedbot.org/32553F43A24B86DA3750F0E2F8692ACD2821F6D6.html
1936883;1568691876;trinque;so yeah, it's not going to let you make another.
1936884;1568691913;trinque;hanbot-a-broad maybe!
1936885;1568700717;feedbot;http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/09/in-which-orphan-eric-learns-the-value-of-negotiable-instruments-and-saving-in-capital-goods/ << lobbesblog -- In which Orphan Eric learns the value of negotiable instruments and saving in capital goods
1936886;1568701763;auctionbot;Buy order # 1059 has ENDED: No sale. Attn: BingoBoingo
1936887;1568704808;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-17#1936825 << there's a neglected effect here.
1936888;1568704809;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-17 00:07:56 asciilifeform: trinque: hypothetically might be interesting to see what programming greybeards are like on planet where can eat 9000 loc w/out breathing in nonsense dust. but i haven't been to that planet.
1936889;1568704850;mircea_popescu;besides nonsense dust there;s also joy dust ; they could in principle balance out ; literature as a body of work (though mostly in french, somewhat in latin, defo not in english besides a few hundred pages) achieved that ; "computer programming" never did.
1936890;1568704902;mircea_popescu;it's conceivableone day might. math very much did manage, but only as of 1905 or thereabouts! at that point it had been around for twenty five to thrity centuries!
1936891;1568704986;mircea_popescu;if indeed the relation's extensible, then from the fact that literature was born balanced and math balanced in say 2500 years, we can reasonably expect computerism to also balance in 6`250`000 or thereabouts, meaning more or less year 6`250`950.
1936892;1568705143;mircea_popescu;this may seem like a lengthy stretch, but in fact it quite is : linnaeus' own species only speciated about 3-400`000 years ago, the commitment contemplated here's five times what it took to have homo sapiens.
1936893;1568705223;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-17#1936829 <<->> http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-16#1936808
1936894;1568705224;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-17 00:29:18 trinque: so yeah, it's not going to let you make another.
1936895;1568705224;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-16 20:36:48 hanbot: actually nah, that's hanbot-abroad. i'm trying to register hanbot_abroad, possibly deedbot doesn't like the similarity.
1936896;1568705251;mircea_popescu;i vaguely recall we did have some ad-hoc interdict specced five years ago, is that it ? what's the situation re namesimilarity at registration ?
1936897;1568706838;mircea_popescu;http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/09/in-which-orphan-eric-learns-the-value-of-negotiable-instruments-and-saving-in-capital-goods/#footnote_7_81 << this is particularly funny, because almost every time slut gets publicly punished, [http://trilema.com/2017/assorted-diversities-or-how-we-went-looking-for-a-brothel-and-all-we-found-was-a-warehouse-church/?b=His&e=know#select][helpful bystander] inquires about a possible acquisit
1936898;1568706838;mircea_popescu;ion.
1936899;1568706961;mircea_popescu;most recently yesterday : slut kicked out of car over specific failure, wept all the way home. lorry full of workers'd have cut her a deal just as we picked her up on the home stretch because well... she looks like the best hooker in town.
1936900;1568707042;mircea_popescu;and before that, on the trip over to [http://trilema.com/2019/successive-strata-of-castlebuilding-spoiler-they-decay-over-time-as-part-of-a-narrative-on-the-greatest-italian-circus-in-romania-and-teenage-sexuality/][castle], girly kneeling in the dirt by the side of the car in some rural parking lot attracted a... garbage truck! full of garbage men! who parked across and solicitously came over to inquire... whether she "ne
1936901;1568707042;mircea_popescu;eds any help" ?
1936902;1568707127;mircea_popescu;perhaps they found a golden cunt lying in the dirt, they might you know, [http://trilema.com/2011/romanul-si-marea/?b=ciocan&e=caruta#select][take it home] ? this can happen, no ? or if it can't happen then [http://trilema.com/2019/the-ballad-of-buster-scruggs/][what were all the stories about] ?!
1936903;1568707324;mircea_popescu;full ten years ago, at a wedding, where i was the godfather and took chet to be godmother, the ~other pair~ of godparents (romanians do this groom / bride big/small wedding godparents thing) were these average middle class 30something couple. and the dude finally got sufficiently drunk at the party so as to propose to her! assuring her of his protection and etcetera! in a slurred drunk nonsense, and with his fucking wife r
1936904;1568707324;mircea_popescu;ight there, growing all shades of purple-pale & stacojiu, thrown from disbelief to rage an' dipped in all possible torment.
1936905;1568707461;mircea_popescu;schmuck was gonna protect her from me. at the time you could not find a gun in ten counties surroundant who hadn't been [http://trilema.com/2011/bound/][on my payroll] at some point or another, but he was gonna "protect", with his soccer watching crew an' leased toyota.
1936906;1568707522;mircea_popescu;and this was an old blind woman. but apparently it's not the age and it's not the anything else in that vein.
1936907;1568707865;mircea_popescu;come to think of it, the full ten years ago is actually fifteen. whoa time passes.
1936908;1568712807;mircea_popescu;aand since i managed to make myself all fucking sad reading http://trilema.com/2010/prea-multa-presiune/ , might as well [http://vasilefrateanu.xhost.ro/biografie.html][archive this]
1936909;1568727907;asciilifeform;cluj-napoca... babes-bolyai << deceased sensei of mircea_popescu ?
1936910;1568727991;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-17#1936835 << they could. but they don't. exactly like a coal miner's wage doesn't cancel the black lung.
1936911;1568727992;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-17 04:05:33 mircea_popescu: besides nonsense dust there;s also joy dust ; they could in principle balance out ; literature as a body of work (though mostly in french, somewhat in latin, defo not in english besides a few hundred pages) achieved that ; "computer programming" never did.
1936912;1568728021;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-17#1936836 << the maffs people in fact achieved the second feat, of sliding in the ~other~ direction.
1936913;1568728021;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-17 04:06:25 mircea_popescu: it's conceivableone day might. math very much did manage, but only as of 1905 or thereabouts! at that point it had been around for twenty five to thrity centuries!
1936914;1568728099;asciilifeform;( asciilifeform counts the maffs komyooniti's swallowing of the autogenned 3colour proof as 'moment of death', but strictly for convenience, entirely possible that died earlier )
1936915;1568729632;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, well, not deceased afaik, but kinda retired at about the same time. i did my thesis with him.
1936916;1568729640;asciilifeform;a.
1936917;1568729727;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, i don't count the ustards as part of culture. saying "math died because mamie in chicago" is entirely like saying "medicien died because mamie in zimbabwe"
1936918;1568729759;asciilifeform;what's it mean for medicine to be 'alive' if zimbabwe is errywhere ?
1936919;1568729768;mircea_popescu;if africans could kill, it'll have all ended long ago
1936920;1568729788;mircea_popescu;it's always "everywhere" dood, wtf do you think newton's complaint was.
1936921;1568729930;mircea_popescu;anyway, orig dude should be... well, just about 80 by now
1936922;1568729952;asciilifeform;well if formulate it as a 'jeszcze polska ne zginela / kiedy my zyjemy' , then sure, 'maffs is alive'. in 5-6 heads. not a very big place.
1936923;1568729968;mircea_popescu;its' by depth not by surface area.
1936924;1568730017;asciilifeform;sure
1936925;1568730182;mircea_popescu;anyways -- re miners : the great (really, only) advantage of working with the mind is that the coal dust and the wage are made of the same exact substance
1936926;1568730202;mircea_popescu;here, and nowhere else, it may indeed be possible the wage of unsin is undeath.
1936927;1568730222;mircea_popescu;everywhere else... not so much. hence the appeal, since the day of plato
1936928;1568730277;asciilifeform;this particular 'africa' tho is prion-contagious. the software derps decided that 'it's still a valid program' when imports GB of autoconfolade and 'appears to work'. the maffs people decided 'it's still a proof' when imports a GB of softwareliquishit and fits in 0 heads. the physics folx , that 'it's still physics' if used an irreproducible machine built by great inca. whereas per asciilifeform all of these people are pulling own co
1936929;1568730278;asciilifeform;cks in exactly same way, and neither maffs, nor physics, nor even programming, are happening in their hands, but instead elaborate waste of time.
1936930;1568730288;mircea_popescu;so it is.
1936931;1568730651;asciilifeform;as i understand, the 'modern current' (i.e. 'ifuckinglovescience'(tm)(r) zombie worship) existed even in 'the day of plato' -- the pythagoreans & co
1936932;1568730749;asciilifeform;they stood up under flag of 'africa' when, per legend, drowned the sqrt(2) fella.
1936933;1568730863;*;asciilifeform brb:teatime
1936934;1568738167;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/09/stallman-surrenders-human-mushroom-quits-everything-as-boot-hovers-above/ << Qntra -- Stallman Surrenders: Human Mushroom Quits Everything As Boot Hovers Above
1936935;1568738197;BingoBoingo;^ And Stallman cancelled himself.
1936936;1568738379;asciilifeform;i suppose he'll have to find a new hallway to hobo in
1936937;1568738501;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in [http://www.contravex.com/2019/09/09/china-anecdotally/][misc. lulz of ex-tmsr people] .
1936938;1568738506;BingoBoingo;[http://trilema.com/2016/and-they-wont-fucking-yield/][And they, the cucky cocklets] will probably just ignore this case, which should enter the canon, of why males can't survive the decision to align themselves with a "leftist" movement. If they live long enough their ideological spawn will eat them.
1936939;1568738740;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Where's he going to find a hallway. The [http://qntra.net/2019/08/john-hopkins-professor-gets-out-after-sanctions-for-entering-protester-occupied-building-to-attempt-work/][kids controlling Stallmanable hallways] have decided he needs to die, and he doesn't seem to have anything to offer anyone who employs in the saltmines.
1936940;1568738824;BingoBoingo;Stallman's in a Charlie Shrem situation.
1936941;1568738839;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: betcha microshit already cleared out a hallway corner for mr mushroom.
1936942;1568738935;asciilifeform;for so long as there's a gaggle of idjits who see him having 'auctoritas', his formaldehyde-pickled hide is worth sumthing.
1936943;1568738953;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: This has been done plenty of times before. The kids cry about Microsoft hiring a pedophile enabler, Microsoft kicks Stallman out to the street again. For all the dancing and noise Stallman maybe gets 18-36 hours of cot in the hallway.
1936944;1568738998;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: notice, he Officially Recanted , can have corner right next to linus.
1936945;1568739035;BingoBoingo;The kids and cucklets will say he instead confessed.
1936946;1568739054;asciilifeform;the cucklets are extras in this movie.
1936947;1568739088;asciilifeform;will say what script tells'em to say.
1936948;1568739111;BingoBoingo;Until it's their turns to get sacrificed as the cultural revolution marches on.
1936949;1568739226;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: exactly like the chinese cultural rev. (which shut off like a lamp when mao flicked switch) this one is a 'controlled burn'.
1936950;1568739269;BingoBoingo;I suspect English doesn't allow "controlled burns" in the way Mandarin does
1936951;1568739295;asciilifeform;cattle stampeding (all the way into meat plant conveyor) aint 'cattle running the farm', the farm is still a farm and farmer is still the farmer, and meat still grown for market.
1936952;1568739471;BingoBoingo;Bulls still cripple the occasional farmer who turns their back. Grain lifting augers maim quite a few farmers. [http://trilema.com/2016/gawker-media-group-gmg-vs-arbeitsgemeinschaft-versuchsreaktor-avr/][The fallout from Gawker et al.] is that there isn't really much farming going on at the left farm.
1936953;1568739558;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: this so, but observe that present-day china is run 100% by (sons of) folx who sat in gulag during 'cultural rev'. and not of the 'red guards'.
1936954;1568739630;asciilifeform;exactly as happened in sovok, the leninists had 0 lasting dynastic succession, ~100% garbagecollected by stalin & co.
1936955;1568739660;asciilifeform;'old age & treachery beat youth & vigour erry time' or how did it go.
1936956;1568739846;asciilifeform;this being said -- will be interesting to see which 'bob beck' is crowned as 'new rms'.
1936957;1568739848;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Mandarin allowed honoring Mao-think as a sort of A/B test, and allowed the revision to be popularly embraced. Something about Mandarin lets the Chinese be cohesive on just about anything. It's weird, alien, and seems rather far removed from what is in the Anglo language toolbox.
1936958;1568739857;asciilifeform;i suspect it'll be a trans-'chix' or similar.
1936959;1568739890;BingoBoingo;Trans chick or "sassy" dark Obeast
1936960;1568739905;asciilifeform;or 2 for price of 1, wainot
1936961;1568739966;asciilifeform;'replaced with other-abled oppressed poor black female with hiv dancing macarena in a wheelchair'(tm)(r)(uncle al schwartz)
1936962;1568740059;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: re 'cohesive' -- no moar or less than ameritards. simply in orcistans there does not exist the custom of pseudo-'plurality' that the (formerly) rich 'west' was able (until recently) to afford.
1936963;1568740068;BingoBoingo;It's also possible they don't manage to replace. FSF/OpenSource oppress poor artisan app studios, etc
1936964;1568740192;asciilifeform;fsf dead, for any conceivable pov, for decade+ . nao simply cement poured on grave.
1936965;1568740225;asciilifeform;( why nao cement -- i have nfi. it aint as if anyffin was ever likely to rise outta that grave. )
1936966;1568740262;BingoBoingo;Well they gotta fuss now because Epstein is THEIR mess.
1936967;1568740356;BingoBoingo;And so they gotta purge the accesory organs first. Just *maybe* that way they can save their Cintonium core.
1936968;1568740368;asciilifeform;internal usg turf war. google-crapple-et-al miffed that some trickle from printing press still went to the 90yo's at mit 'ai lab' .
1936969;1568740441;asciilifeform;episode, at least from my perch, is reminiscent of the undeclared 'civil war' in early '80s sovok b/w kgb and mvd .
1936970;1568740514;asciilifeform;( kgb -- won ; andropov -- crowned; purged the 'principled' folx, proceeded to do all he could to blow up the pylons on which stood sovok, but croaked promptly, adopted prince gorby was left to ineptly finish up the job )
1936971;1568740624;asciilifeform;kgb -- for n00bs -- was ~100% staffed with folx who pissed on whatever oaths, principles, and wanted to proceed asap with [http://trilema.com/2018/the-principal-agent-problem-or-how-america-went-away/][converting their keys-to-the-shop into hereditary 'property right'] .
1936972;1568741783;asciilifeform;$process of course did not start with andropov. but with the derps who poisoned stalin, who was , near as i can tell, gettin' ready to purge the 'party elite' an' replace it w/ the young, vigorous folx who did loyal wetwork for him earlier.
1936973;1568741848;asciilifeform;the poisoners -- 'drew quicker'. removed his chosen successor and his wot ; and proceeded to start sawing apart the house and sell to foreigners, feather miami nests.
1936974;1568741988;asciilifeform;'91 was simply culmination of this process, when pretense fell away.
1936975;1568742013;asciilifeform;sorta like the termite house , pylons long ago hollow, finally collapsing into pile o'rubble.
1936976;1568742553;mircea_popescu;i find it quite funny this coincidentallies with discussions of leucosis.
1936977;1568742563;BingoBoingo;Well, the KGB eventually did get Putin to do a sorta Make Russia Great Again
1936978;1568742565;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: hm?
1936979;1568742598;mircea_popescu;whole rms thing and what i suppose is here the continuation.
1936980;1568742609;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: bonus funny re subj -- putin continued selling sovok's plutonium stockpile to washingtonistan all the way to '13 ! ( then -- when stopped in '14 -- got the 'ukrs' fiesta )
1936981;1568742636;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i.e. putin is ~exactly rms
1936982;1568742659;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: And Clinton sold Uranium to Russia. People trade in the metals all the time.
1936983;1568742662;asciilifeform;loyal quisling flavoured with 'disobedience' for decades, then suddenly 'moment of clarity' when toolate.
1936984;1568742677;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: trade in metal ~not produced~ since ~1991 or so.
1936985;1568742679;asciilifeform;very diff item.
1936986;1568742764;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-17#1936884 << it's ok, they'll write some mealy mouthed comment in my general direction in some other channel about how they didn't this or that and all will be well.
1936987;1568742765;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-17 13:26:32 BingoBoingo: [http://trilema.com/2016/and-they-wont-fucking-yield/][And they, the cucky cocklets] will probably just ignore this case, which should enter the canon, of why males can't survive the decision to align themselves with a "leftist" movement. If they live long enough their ideological spawn will eat them.
1936988;1568742828;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-17#1936887 << keks, where ? they long ago gave out every possible square ft to fat black women.
1936989;1568742829;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-17 13:32:04 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: betcha microshit already cleared out a hallway corner for mr mushroom.
1936990;1568742869;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: he'll be toilet attendant for'em. iirc beyond certain level of fat they actually need 2nd pair of hands to clean arse.
1936991;1568742870;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-17#1936888 << yes, but post his republican dismissal, there's nothing left in that hide.
1936992;1568742870;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-17 13:33:41 asciilifeform: for so long as there's a gaggle of idjits who see him having 'auctoritas', his formaldehyde-pickled hide is worth sumthing.
1936993;1568742873;BingoBoingo;I don't see Putin's shift in US-relations as coming too late. US was very committed to blowing its Cold War winnings in Iraq. WTF was Russia to do other than work on the S-400 anti-"Shock and Awe" system and let the US burn treasure on everything else.
1936994;1568742879;mircea_popescu;that was his one remaining utility, that we'll supposedly give a shit.
1936995;1568742913;asciilifeform;oh hey mircea_popescu do you still have that letter where he took a shit on asciilifeform's complaint re glibc ?
1936996;1568742919;asciilifeform;maybe notbad time to put it on www.
1936997;1568742968;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: s400 (really s300 w/ some extra cpu) is a sovok-era legacy.
1936998;1568742982;mircea_popescu;this is a werid q, if i published it why yo uask and if i did not how you know ?
1936999;1568743004;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it was discussed in log .
1937000;1568743018;asciilifeform;( maybe will even find where, at some pt, atm no luck )
1937001;1568743028;mircea_popescu;hm.
1937002;1568743036;*;asciilifeform obv. not knows via telepathy
1937003;1568743078;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that was the moment asciilifeform realized rms is 100% fungus by weight, and 0 left to salvage
1937004;1568743085;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-17#1936895 << the four foregoing lines are amusing, because 100% of your emissions re comings and goings of great inca are predictable, always downstream on the basis of "great inca is great".
1937005;1568743086;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-17 13:38:31 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: exactly like the chinese cultural rev. (which shut off like a lamp when mao flicked switch) this one is a 'controlled burn'.
1937006;1568743090;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The missiles themselves may be incremental improvement, but the major point is anti-stealth radar picket it plugs into.
1937007;1568743114;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'great' in the andropov sense.
1937008;1568743122;mircea_popescu;was this [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2017-01-16#1603991][past 2017] ?
1937009;1568743124;snsabot;Logged on 2017-01-16 14:33:06 asciilifeform: one of the reasons i still, despite everything, have > 0 respect for rms, is that of all of these figures, he never had 'about-face' moment.
1937010;1568743130;asciilifeform;prior
1937011;1568743136;asciilifeform;iirc '15 (16 ?)
1937012;1568743205;mircea_popescu;anyway, to make the point for the 9`000th time in the general, because unlike the previous 8`999th times prior, each exactly proven correct and each exactly disavowed the very next morning, THERE IS NOTHING CONTROLLED ABOUT INCA WORLD.
1937013;1568743226;mircea_popescu;the one important property of the failure of mankind is its complete and utter incapacity for any controlling of anythin whatsoever, internal or external.
1937014;1568743280;mircea_popescu;the sun's not a controlled burn, but natural phenomena ; and the fermentation of the dregs of humanity, the dumbest women, the cuckest dorks, the socialists and morons and agglomerated stupidity -- exactly same.
1937015;1568743289;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: re glibc -- iirc subj of inquiry was re the 'nss' thing, which i found to be the sublib that drags in dynamicism, dns, etc
1937016;1568743298;asciilifeform;possib. keyword, if anyone can find.
1937017;1568743347;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-06-02#1916751 < ?
1937018;1568743348;snsabot;Logged on 2019-06-02 06:48:29 a111: Logged on 2015-04-29 16:24 mod6: asciilifeform: I'm just trying to put together the monthy address; In one to three sentences cna you help me summarize what is going on with glibc/libnss?
1937019;1568743389;asciilifeform;aha, around that time
1937020;1568743488;mircea_popescu;well, conceivable we search better once we get the historical bundle, afaik this is prior to your logs ?
1937021;1568743497;asciilifeform;it is. era1.
1937022;1568743529;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-17#1936897 << nothing like this has happened to the zone since at latest vietnam war time.
1937023;1568743530;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-17 13:39:40 asciilifeform: cattle stampeding (all the way into meat plant conveyor) aint 'cattle running the farm', the farm is still a farm and farmer is still the farmer, and meat still grown for market.
1937024;1568743549;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: seems to be very similar to what during vietnam, aha
1937025;1568743572;mircea_popescu;it's unclear in what similar. those people were getting laid.
1937026;1568743608;asciilifeform;similar in the 'look at us, we're the countercultural vaguard, overthrowing old farts!111' crapola.
1937027;1568743626;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-17#1936902 << none. there's, as BingoBoingo well points out, nothing left to crown over.
1937028;1568743627;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-17 13:48:51 asciilifeform: this being said -- will be interesting to see which 'bob beck' is crowned as 'new rms'.
1937029;1568743654;BingoBoingo;As the boomers used to say "Don't trust anyone over 30" is how they keep the purges rolling
1937030;1568743662;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, that is a similarity without substance, much like saying "dentist and opera writer similar, they ask others to vocalize"
1937031;1568743712;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-17#1936901 << this is bizarre considering stalin was younger than lenin and you're discussing sons of people.
1937032;1568743713;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-17 13:45:46 asciilifeform: 'old age & treachery beat youth & vigour erry time' or how did it go.
1937033;1568743747;mircea_popescu;in general, the "sons of the gulag" will rule rather than the "sons of red guard" because both oppression and posterity are generally the lot of the more numerous.
1937034;1568743796;BingoBoingo;Anyways, the state of the US left is such that the ONE anti-war candidate did not make the latest round of primary debates. Tusli Gabbard: veteran, active reservist, and woman of color can't consistently poll over 2% enough to get on stage
1937035;1568743802;mircea_popescu;it's also a red herring : it's generally [http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/09/in-which-orphan-eric-learns-the-value-of-negotiable-instruments-and-saving-in-capital-goods/][the orphans] that rule. at the very least since modern era, because fathers suck balls.
1937036;1568743857;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo, i can't conceive how the pantsuit will manage to get a candidate. for one thing, trump did in fact end the dnc, as discussed in the logs.
1937037;1568743865;BingoBoingo;In other intra-left dialectics: "Maduro: "Cualquiera que diga que Venezuela es dictadura es un estúpido, incluido Mujica""
1937038;1568743898;mircea_popescu;looking at the matter from an in-universe fiction perspective, how the fuck's the collection of nobodies gonna enact identity ? they can't get behind any of themselves, they're all scum without exception as paradigmatic criteria.
1937039;1568743910;mircea_popescu;they'll just sit and whine at unfairness of elections in general, "why should there be candidates"
1937040;1568743911;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Ghostships eventually touch land one final time. Whether the land is seafloor or shore depends
1937041;1568743996;asciilifeform;iirc there was talk of ~rnc~ running sumbody against trump
1937042;1568744005;asciilifeform;so dun even have to be dnc-flavoured muppet
1937043;1568744015;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-17#1936911 << strictly because when some pantsuit came in here to derp about how "stallman is respectable" he was laughed out
1937044;1568744016;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-17 13:55:10 asciilifeform: ( why nao cement -- i have nfi. it aint as if anyffin was ever likely to rise outta that grave. )
1937045;1568744031;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: There's two folks running against trump in the Coke primary, none have gravity
1937046;1568744038;*;mircea_popescu can't be arsed to find the line, but w/e, was a one day wonder, "knows shit" in his own opinion retard.
1937047;1568744039;BingoBoingo;That the DNC is dead doesn't mean surviving hangers on won't try to put on a show
1937048;1568744054;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: zx2c4 iirc
1937049;1568744064;asciilifeform;3day wonder
1937050;1568744065;mircea_popescu;i thought was some other
1937051;1568744080;asciilifeform;possib also other
1937052;1568744081;mircea_popescu;not that THAT moron didn't hold the same laughable handshake "beliefs".
1937053;1568744106;asciilifeform;was defo some d00d who walked in with whole brass orchestra of headcockroaches playin'
1937054;1568744111;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-17#1936913 << the amusing part being that core's not objectively worth saving.
1937055;1568744112;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-17 13:57:22 BingoBoingo: And so they gotta purge the accesory organs first. Just *maybe* that way they can save their Cintonium core.
1937056;1568744122;mircea_popescu;we fucked her in all the holes last time, leaving her a broken heap. and she was already fucking old.
1937057;1568744133;mircea_popescu;there's... nothing there, demented morons collecting garbage.
1937058;1568744142;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, aha.
1937059;1568744168;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> we fucked her in all the holes last time, leaving her a broken heap. and she was already fucking old. << How could the derealized know?
1937060;1568744184;mircea_popescu;they know, they know.
1937061;1568744197;mircea_popescu;the problem with being on heroin is that you never really escape the inkling of actual reality.
1937062;1568744217;mircea_popescu;same thing with being in the pantsuit, cry yourserlf to sleep as you will each night, the perception of mp grinning's still always there
1937063;1568744221;mircea_popescu;insecapable
1937064;1568744465;asciilifeform;btw BingoBoingo , mircea_popescu ,  how wouldja square http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-17#1936980 w/ http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-17#1936958 ?
1937065;1568744465;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-17 14:54:41 BingoBoingo: Anyways, the state of the US left is such that the ONE anti-war candidate did not make the latest round of primary debates. Tusli Gabbard: veteran, active reservist, and woman of color can't consistently poll over 2% enough to get on stage
1937066;1568744465;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-17 14:44:51 mircea_popescu: anyway, to make the point for the 9`000th time in the general, because unlike the previous 8`999th times prior, each exactly proven correct and each exactly disavowed the very next morning, THERE IS NOTHING CONTROLLED ABOUT INCA WORLD.
1937067;1568744511;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Gabbard was at one point a DNC CHAIR!
1937068;1568744524;BingoBoingo;She was the innerest of inner circles
1937069;1568744536;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-17#1936920 << the problenm with this retelling is that it describes the production of the corpse from the pov of gut bacteria. superficially this may even stand, but it's uncausative imo. i'm still not clear why exactly su [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2018-12-01#1877442][intellectually imploded]
1937070;1568744537;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-17 14:24:33 asciilifeform: '91 was simply culmination of this process, when pretense fell away.
1937071;1568744537;snsabot;Logged on 2018-12-01 15:45:29 mircea_popescu: the "consummer affair" is the gringo's exact version of the "thinking man gave up", coming 2 decades later. (ie, next generation of ustards copied prev generation of soviets. like they always do, btw)
1937072;1568744540;asciilifeform;so, was hero, nao zero ? why ?
1937073;1568744561;asciilifeform;( re gabbard )
1937074;1568744563;mircea_popescu;i should prolly have a better link, there's somewhere in the logs where we discuss this mystery, of why and wherefore soviet thinking man simply laid over and gave up in the 80s.
1937075;1568744600;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Tried to de-Clintonize too soon. The losers have to hate.
1937076;1568744602;mircea_popescu;the flow of history doth in fact inform and ground the view, however. "what happened to phf ?!" is not so important about the one tard ; but rather, instructive as to the failure mode of a sort of mind.
1937077;1568744612;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'gave up' in '70s, when the 'party elite' sys solidified into an obviously hereditary aristocracy (populated by not esp. bright folx, at that)
1937078;1568744628;mircea_popescu;i suppose what happened to all of them is the same thing : one day their derealization came home to roost, and they were so alienated from their own existence, they hadn't actually prepared for the event.
1937079;1568744707;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, it's not clear to me what you're asking above ?
1937080;1568744723;asciilifeform;re gabbard ? possib. BingoBoingo already gave answr.
1937081;1568744730;mircea_popescu;aok
1937082;1568744752;*;asciilifeform will admit that he does not follow the muppetshow in realtime
1937083;1568744773;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/09/usg-and-israel-moving-towards-mutual-defense-treaty-as-hawks-continue-pushing-to-bomb-iran/ << Qntra -- USG And Israel Moving Towards "Mutual Defense" Treaty As Hawks Continue Pushing To Bomb Iran
1937084;1568744788;mircea_popescu;anyway, far from "oh, kgb sold off sovok", the fundamental problem was simply that soviet man ~gave up~.
1937085;1568744804;mircea_popescu;the thing it gave up on was garbage collected through whatever method. but the causative agent was THAT GIVING UP.
1937086;1568744807;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: lol! reminds of 'britain-poland mutual defense treaty' of 1930s
1937087;1568744808;BingoBoingo;As DNC high elder Gabbard declared Clinton's brand too toxic to try rigging the game around. Was shunned. Then TMSR broke DNC couple months later.
1937088;1568744811;mircea_popescu;why and wherefore he gave up, i do not know.
1937089;1568744824;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It's in the link
1937090;1568744833;asciilifeform;aaa lol!
1937091;1568744834;BingoBoingo;Or more, the Qntra text
1937092;1568744835;asciilifeform;indeed is
1937093;1568744968;mircea_popescu;but, to round it off : the substantial difference between 2nd socialism and 3rd socialism is that 2nd ~actually had enough substance~ to constitute something someone could give up ~on~.
1937094;1568744971;mircea_popescu;3rd never did.
1937095;1568745001;mircea_popescu;its failure therefore, to my eye, is not in any sense meaningful, there's no zoon involved. it's pure and simple bion, a matter of fermentation rather than politics.
1937096;1568745075;mircea_popescu;which is why the sun reference. there's no possible way the hydrogen atoms "could organize themselves" to do anything to or about the brown dwarf future. it's foretold, and will be exectued exactly at foretold, millions of years hence.
1937097;1568745091;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: plox to colour in the picture -- who were 1, 2, 3 ?
1937098;1568745112;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/the-triviality-of-slaying-the-surviving-socialist-beast/ << nazi, soviet, roosevelt.
1937099;1568745113;asciilifeform;i'ma guess 3 -- clitler , 2 -- sovok, 1 -- bismarck ?
1937100;1568745115;asciilifeform;aa
1937101;1568745134;mircea_popescu;here's the story, as retold by yours truly :
1937102;1568745152;mircea_popescu;the italians were being administered by the house of habsburg, because they were idle imbecile fuckwits throughout their existence.
1937103;1568745190;mircea_popescu;being idle imbecile fuckwits and regrettably still around as well they shouldnt', the italians deeply resented this situation, where the austrians administered them well as slaves, whereas they themselves couldn't, on their own strength, as much as organize a cup of coffee
1937104;1568745210;mircea_popescu;the unfairness of this situation wasn't, mind, that they were imbeciles, but that ~it is unfair~ that ~THINGS SHOULD BE SO~!!!!
1937105;1568745236;mircea_popescu;because they're "great people" in the sense of latins, 2k years prior, had been. so their team already won, why should they have to do work! REALITY IS UNFAIR!!!
1937106;1568745284;mircea_popescu;to "fix" this by their own lights, they came up with a wad of poisonous inept bullshit, to their best estimation perfectly engineered to end -- not the world, not the need of the world to be managed, but the ~possibility of managing it~, in-universe fantastically called "habsburg rule'/
1937107;1568745306;mircea_popescu;this fruited among the lesser barbarians in three places : in germany through cultural osmosis, producing the thing copied after musolini
1937108;1568745324;mircea_popescu;in the us through the italian diaspora, producing roosevelt and his nonsense, "bipartisan state" bla bla.
1937109;1568745332;mircea_popescu;and in the soviets, who copied it from the germans they defeated.
1937110;1568745370;mircea_popescu;but, the birth of "altruism" is the red thread in the whole pile of idiotic italian nonsense : mid 1800s is where it all starts.
1937111;1568745387;mircea_popescu;there wasn't a socialism before all that ; and there won't be a socialism in the future.
1937112;1568745388;mircea_popescu;~fin~
1937113;1568745416;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i thought it started in stone age, where 'fair', i.e. can't effectively make a usable-later pile of ~anyffin
1937114;1568745425;asciilifeform;and attempts to copy same
1937115;1568745433;mircea_popescu;something like pantsuitism started in stone age, then man discovered pike
1937116;1568745455;mircea_popescu;and pike changed society from matriarchy to patriarchy, because provided effectual control to female wail behaviour : poking with sharpened stick.
1937117;1568745462;mircea_popescu;then things osciallated back and forth.
1937118;1568745476;mircea_popescu;but, in general, pre-heroic age social degeneracy was resolved by early greeks.
1937119;1568745496;mircea_popescu;pike really was much more important instrument than commonly realised. i would say it was the first AND FOREMOST man-made tool.
1937120;1568745506;asciilifeform;pike, seems , wasn't quite enuff, cuz it dun stab by itself, need pikeman with a bit of sense in his head
1937121;1568745509;mircea_popescu;specifically because it puts the female herd in line, turning them from "free" to slave.
1937122;1568745520;mircea_popescu;that it does, and that is as it should be.
1937123;1568745545;asciilifeform;( consider root of pantsuit's fixation with 'robotic soldier' )
1937124;1568745570;asciilifeform;or what meant 'frag' in 'nam
1937125;1568745575;mircea_popescu;[http://trilema.com/2016/the-dog/][i have].
1937126;1568745586;asciilifeform;aha! ty mircea_popescu , was digging for that same piece
1937127;1568745599;mircea_popescu;mah pleasure.
1937128;1568745750;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: re 'face derealization' / 'they gave up, why' -- i was reading not long ago about keldysh (head of sovok academy of sciences, and overall respectable figure, in charge of ~100% of calculative works for space / atomic programs etc. ) BUT at same time is the fella who undertook 'let's ditch native comp archs and copy pdp'. seems like was a checkmate, rather than 'dolchstoss', saw no working alternative , 'we can't affor
1937129;1568745750;asciilifeform;d to stick with 1960s state of art while west has pdp'
1937130;1568745947;mircea_popescu;suppose i said "we can't afford to make new loggers yet again" ?
1937131;1568745954;asciilifeform;similar!
1937132;1568745981;mircea_popescu;was alternative : goes to politburo, says "either you start hanging 10% of youth each year until they produce alternative, or else we can all hang today"
1937133;1568745984;mircea_popescu;decimation works.
1937134;1568746013;asciilifeform;sure as fuck worx, 1934-1953 worked a+++. but then the 'soft' folx came, and forgot how.
1937135;1568746015;mircea_popescu;but, as you say : [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-17#1937066][pike has one design flaw]. IT GOTTA BE USED
1937136;1568746016;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-17 15:23:12 asciilifeform: pike, seems , wasn't quite enuff, cuz it dun stab by itself, need pikeman with a bit of sense in his head
1937137;1568746030;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, this takes us back round to the question : why gave up ?
1937138;1568746051;mircea_popescu;and yes, "to give up" as the reality is disguised in-universe, in the works of fiction populating stupid heads, as "can't"
1937139;1568746061;mircea_popescu;"can't affort", "isn't proper", "this guy's abusive", what have you.
1937140;1568746062;mircea_popescu;what of it ?
1937141;1568746069;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: as you said earlier, prolly similar to how phf threw in towel. i.e. 'i racked up 9 figures of stupidity bill, no way to pay'
1937142;1568746089;mircea_popescu;the question is WHY, not in their terms but in mine, as the onl ypermisible terms. not "why does the moron decide to misrepresent his taks as impossible", but "why did he give up"
1937143;1568746138;mircea_popescu;this slippery slope of idiocy, "i really should have beaten the wife, but since i haven't, can't now beat daughter".
1937144;1568746145;asciilifeform;iirc mircea_popescu actually had piece on this subj. where mentioned 'dragon'. i.e. at some pt the lamer's task becomes factually impossible, after tall enuff pile of fuckup
1937145;1568746145;mircea_popescu;moterfucker -- beat them both twice.
1937146;1568746173;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, the failure in this thinking is that "smart boi wants to use his smarts in war".
1937147;1568746186;mircea_popescu;the precondition to action is NOT some sort of evaluation whereby action's salutary, or effectual.
1937148;1568746191;mircea_popescu;you do what you have to do.
1937149;1568746194;mircea_popescu;that is IT.
1937150;1568746203;mircea_popescu;whether "you think it'll work" or not makes zero the fuck difference.
1937151;1568746220;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: [http://trilema.com/2014/the-definitive-tract-on-sociopathy/?b=muggle&e=them#select][found it, fwiw]
1937152;1568746234;mircea_popescu;sveet
1937153;1568746243;asciilifeform;grr wrong select tho
1937154;1568746248;asciilifeform;lemme retry..
1937155;1568746280;asciilifeform;[http://trilema.com/2014/the-definitive-tract-on-sociopathy/?b=complex&e=unfair#select][there]
1937156;1568746325;mircea_popescu;i suppose.
1937157;1568746440;asciilifeform;speaking of 'do what have to do!' , asciilifeform gotta fix a leaking pipe, bbl.
1937158;1568746570;mircea_popescu;laters
1937159;1568747221;BingoBoingo;Anyways the "Qaseth-1" drones the Saudis got hit with seem pretty lulzy. Chicom mower engine, 250 km one-way range... and how useless was all hardware the US sold the House of Saud to stop them.
1937160;1568747776;mircea_popescu;flight is cheap.
1937161;1568747786;mircea_popescu;pretense however...
1937162;1568748211;mircea_popescu;https://www.linkedin.com/in/selam-gano-089895ba << me goes "wtf is a selam gano". turns out... yep, exactly what you'd expect, irigaray "physicist'.
1937163;1568748258;mircea_popescu;"selamgano.wordpress.com is no longer available. The authors have deleted this site." and the whole rest of the precious cuntlet / inca priestess.
1937164;1568748781;mircea_popescu;"Then there was the challenge of arranging entry into building where The Register's US operation is based. Stallman asked not to be identified by name to the building staff to avoid the possibility that his name might end up in a database. "Resisting tracking of persons is everyone's duty," he explained. Meeting him in the lobby proved to be easier than working out how to ask front desk staff to admit an individual who cou
1937165;1568748781;mircea_popescu;ld not be named. Eventually, we were able to get Mister Anonymous into the office, and the following conversation took place..." << keks.
1937166;1568748790;mircea_popescu;hey hanbot where on trilema is that piece re the argentine retards with ~same problem ?
1937167;1568749334;BingoBoingo;http://trilema.com/2014/the-magical-clave-de-identificacion/ ???
1937168;1568749944;mircea_popescu;nah, was some building we were meeting i don't remembe rwhat local retard that had "security" at the door.
1937169;1568750020;BingoBoingo;http://trilema.com/2014/buenos-aires-bdsm-la-casona-del-sado-aka-faker-house/
1937170;1568750063;mircea_popescu;naah, was some business thing. back in the early days when i was still considering buying one of the tards skyscrapers or something.
1937171;1568750069;mircea_popescu;and thanks heaves i didn't do that, holly hell.
1937172;1568750117;BingoBoingo;http://trilema.com/2014/la-florida-and-other-places/#footnote_1_54763
1937173;1568750213;mircea_popescu;nah, was very much wanna-be new york office building thing.
1937174;1568750221;mircea_popescu;with receptionists and herpi-derpytude
1937175;1568750321;BingoBoingo;Ah, familiar with that thing here.
1937176;1568750502;BingoBoingo;In other Stallmanisms: https://archive.is/Wz2SF compare to https://archive.is/hX7xJ
1937177;1568750983;mircea_popescu;dude's fucking unreadable.
1937178;1568751007;mircea_popescu;he sounds like a subnormal 20 yo farmhand with a ged.
1937179;1568751190;mircea_popescu;in other historical "news" : james was quite pleased with his new wife, mary of modena
1937180;1568751197;mircea_popescu;she... burst into tears every time she saw him.
1937181;1568751205;mircea_popescu;moral being, kingdom > cardboard.
1937182;1568751495;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-17#1937108 << recently in an old-b00kz shop i encountered new 'gem' of irigarayism, 'Gender and Boyle's Law of Gases' . arguing that 'boyle cheated and instead of data used the patriarchic preconceptions of his time'(tm)(r) .
1937183;1568751496;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-17 16:08:17 mircea_popescu: https://www.linkedin.com/in/selam-gano-089895ba << me goes "wtf is a selam gano". turns out... yep, exactly what you'd expect, irigaray "physicist'.
1937184;1568751512;asciilifeform;[http://www.iupress.indiana.edu/product_info.php?products_id=21175][subj] .
1937185;1568751818;mircea_popescu;lmao
1937186;1568751824;asciilifeform;incidentally the major ustard 'university presses' consist ~100% of these. for decade+ nao.
1937187;1568751839;asciilifeform;mit especially (1 time went over the catalogue, barfed before reached half)
1937188;1568751975;*;mircea_popescu has for the past 15 minutes bee nreading a tardball of insanity... wtf is that thing BingoBoingo ?!
1937189;1568752033;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It's an autism standard. Kinda like how France has an international kilogram standard. That tardball of insanity is the international autism standard of Virginia
1937190;1568752091;BingoBoingo;Anytime someone says they are a "creative" I assume they are *that* dog on the internet until demonstrated otherwise
1937191;1568752186;mircea_popescu;amusingly, same place as http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/08/charting-the-charlotte-bdsm-scene-part-one-capex/ ?
1937192;1568752225;BingoBoingo;Nah, lobbes is Charlotte, North Carolina. US recycles place names a lot
1937193;1568752268;mircea_popescu;ftr, by http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-17#1937123 i was discussing rms. "They seemed receptive in a general way. But you know, whether Microsoft will change anything in practice, remains to be seen. Maybe it will change some things and not others, right? That's often happens. But I believe in judging each thing that a company does separately. So if a company is doing this thing, which is wrong and unjust, a
1937194;1568752268;mircea_popescu;nd this thing, which is helpful, I'd rather not add them up. If these two activities are separable in practice, in other words, if it's possible to look at each one, individually, and distinguish it from the other, if they're not tied up with each other, so much that that's a nonsensical thing to do, then I do that. Because that way, I can disapprove of whatever is bad and approve of whatever is good. That's more useful, j
1937195;1568752269;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-17 16:54:29 mircea_popescu: dude's fucking unreadable.
1937196;1568752269;mircea_popescu;ust adding it up to get one total for a given company."
1937197;1568752272;mircea_popescu;holy shit nonsense.
1937198;1568752309;mircea_popescu;the amusing part being that leaving aside his damning failure to show up, rms wouldn't have made it five minutes in the forum on the basis of his absent culture, literacy or generally speaking working cns.
1937199;1568752972;BingoBoingo;But yes, the absence of culture is a pre-requisite of elevation in the Incan insanity. Can't have "luminaries" tethered to the world or their place in it. MIT is more or less a sort of "day program" for "special" adults.
1937200;1568753193;BingoBoingo;So what if they gotta call him a "visiting scientist" to get him to institutionalize himself?
1937201;1568753381;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not so many 80yo d00dz have working cns. ( ~possibly~ rms circa 1990 would have been ~interesting in forum. but this ? fungus )
1937202;1568753937;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: found the [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-17#1936954][rms item] btw : [http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=nZYz][was apparently 1st mentioned in ciphrogram, here repgp'd back to mircea_popescu for ref] . ( then afterwards mircea_popescu summarized briefly in log. )
1937203;1568753939;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-17 14:43:27 mircea_popescu: was this [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2017-01-16#1603991][past 2017] ?
1937204;1568753954;asciilifeform;5 april 2015 .
1937205;1568754043;asciilifeform;dunno whether this is of any current-day interest to mircea_popescu , but there it was.
1937206;1568754371;asciilifeform;summary in log, iirc was : asciilifeform wrote to rms re the 'libnss' garbage preventing static linking of glibc. rms 0 reply. but when mircea_popescu wrote, rms answered w/ jwzisms.
1937207;1568754426;asciilifeform;in the end asciilifeform cut out glibc entirely, and never again gave a shit re whether it is fixed or not.
1937208;1568754553;asciilifeform;rms, imho, richly deserves to reap errything he has sown.
1937209;1568754681;asciilifeform;( and imho is in fact the single most easily identifiable face that is answerable for us being stuck w/ unix to this day, at that )
1937210;1568754766;asciilifeform;let him chase buffer overruns an' dangling pointers in the pits of tartarus 4evah.
1937211;1568755028;asciilifeform;d00d's whole life was defined, seems , by 'just wanting to'(tm)(r) .
1937212;1568758886;mircea_popescu;aha.
1937213;1568759017;mircea_popescu;anyways, i expect a lot more of this trotting out / reclaiming of puppets going forward. "hey tmsr, do you wanna follow THIS esca ? no ? oook [animal eats the fleshy appendage, grows "new" one], nevermind, how about THIS entirely different other on ? no ? *repeat*.
1937214;1568759087;mircea_popescu;fun fact for rotards : andrea ESCA [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2017-10-25#1728889][is named for] the fleshy bait atop an anglerfish head. didn't know thsat, did you.
1937215;1568759089;snsabot;Logged on 2017-10-25 14:27:40 mircea_popescu: anyway, to revisit the matter of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-25#1728843 : adrian sirbu, possibly the only romanian to have done anything since 1989 (he created the deliberate usg tool Pro Tv in 1995, a media company whose wikipedia page no longer mentions him -- very much a successful equivalent of the failed http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-05#1666048), has recently been accused of... you'll guess this not ? 
1937216;1568760067;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i can't even immediately think of any remaining 'rms' with any ~life left in'em for such a thing
1937217;1568760107;mircea_popescu;yeah, hard life over at the blue fort.
1937218;1568760593;mircea_popescu;in other historic lulz : in other historic lulz : it is altogether likely that the fifteen year old anne lennard had a lesbian relationship with hortense mancini, her father's unofficial mistress and therefore the competition of barbara villiers, the official mistress.
1937219;1568760605;mircea_popescu;then when she was 17 she fucked her mother's bf, montagu
1937220;1568760608;mircea_popescu;AS A NUN
1937221;1568760776;mircea_popescu;(villiers being her mom)
1937222;1568764084;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/37aZY << In the latest of Argentine government by New York Courts.
1937223;1568768540;feedbot;http://bingology.net/2019/09/18/expoprado-at-rural-de-prado-an-exhibition-of-uruguays-agricultural-supremacy/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- ExpoPrado At Rural de Prado: An Exhibition Of Uruguay's Agricultural Supremacy
1937224;1568768543;feedbot;http://pizarroisp.net/2019/09/18/pizarro-isp-august-2019-report/ << PizarroISP -- Pizarro ISP August 2019 Report
1937225;1568769629;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/latino-perspectives/#footnote_0_59930 << May be the wanna be NY tower story
1937226;1568790210;feedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2019/09/18/the-pageboys-pledge/ << Ossa Sepia -- The Pageboy's Pledge
1937227;1568804933;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo, nope, not that either.
1937228;1568804945;mircea_popescu;holy hell, there's a lot of these from argentina, who even knew.
1937229;1568804965;mircea_popescu;and i'm starting to suspect i didn't even bother mentioning the exact case or something, cuz they were too many ?
1937230;1568804992;mircea_popescu;o btw, hey billymg ! you still around ?
1937231;1568805361;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-chicago-tea-party-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thelastpsychiatrist.com - Chicago Tea Party. Adnotated.
1937232;1568806143;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-child-rapist-murderer-john-couey-loses-by-eight-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thelastpsychiatrist.com - Child Rapist-Murderer John Couey Loses By Eight. Adnotated.
1937233;1568808832;hanbot;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-17#1937112 << gah, it was about that "art space" thing by la florida with the two roof towers, i remember that...but not the specific piece.
1937234;1568808832;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-17 16:17:56 mircea_popescu: hey hanbot where on trilema is that piece re the argentine retards with ~same problem ?
1937235;1568808869;mircea_popescu;well... i aint going diging through the story of argentina, i'll just get pissed off. fucking morons.
1937236;1568808889;hanbot;i was gonna say, could grep "argentines" and spend a while getting enraged...lol
1937237;1568810591;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-children-with-adhd-drugs-score-higher-on-tests-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thelastpsychiatrist.com - Children With ADHD Drugs Score Higher on Tests. Adnotated.
1937238;1568811496;diana_coman;trinque: deedbot fell down ~5 hours ago.
1937239;1568813420;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-china-needs-more-tvs-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thelastpsychiatrist.com - China Needs More TVs. Adnotated.
1937240;1568818461;mircea_popescu;aand that's five articles today.
1937241;1568818468;mircea_popescu;sadly, tlp doesn't improve ;/
1937242;1568818530;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the last 1 particularly egregious. wai would a ~thinking fella specifically address his worx to the most abject ameritards ?!
1937243;1568818565;mircea_popescu;i expect it's cancer of the education gland.
1937244;1568818632;mircea_popescu;let's put i this way : universally and without exception the most abject of all humans are children. this is what "retard" addresses : a state of abject misery that ~IS EXCUSED~ in children because nature imposes ; but ONLY IN CHILDREN YOUNG ENOUGH. as thy age -- no longer excused.
1937245;1568818665;mircea_popescu;now, for their sins, women are born with special glands, supporting the evolution of children away from the abjection they were born in.
1937246;1568818692;mircea_popescu;some of these glands are physically found on their chests. the males -- also have, vestigial version, because you know, evoloved-not-engineered, was cheaper that way.
1937247;1568818713;mircea_popescu;THERE ARE MORE SUCH GLANDS. women have the tolerant, cvasi bovine capacity to talk to small children.
1937248;1568818729;mircea_popescu;men, also have some kind of vestigial this. the practice of its use is called "education"
1937249;1568818735;mircea_popescu;and it can get cancer, like any other gland.
1937250;1568818816;mircea_popescu;like with all cancers, environmental toxin exposure is a major risk. so you could say he got education gland cancer from living in pollution.
1937251;1568818987;diana_coman;lolz, I have yet to see bovines talking to children.
1937252;1568819013;mircea_popescu;cvasi-bovine because like the ox will plow the field, so will the woman repeat all the words in the dictionary fifty times, so they kid can learn them
1937253;1568819049;mircea_popescu;my systematically dismissive "you don;t know X, go read up on it" works on... well, undergrads. in junior high however, the style's inadequate.
1937254;1568819089;mircea_popescu;what's needed in jr high is "i told you yesterday, and i'm telling you today, and i will tell you until you learn it : the panties AFTER the garter belt ; the garter belt BEFORe the panties".
1937255;1568819181;mircea_popescu;and it has to be done ~calmly~. otherwise the kids go mad.
1937256;1568819194;mircea_popescu;gotta not seem to care ; that's why it seems bovine.
1937257;1568819465;diana_coman;uhm; do you basically say that junior high "learning" is simply circus-like training and trainers are by nature cvasi-bovine (or otherwise ineffectual)?
1937258;1568819512;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-china-needs-fewer-tvs-or-a-billion-of-them-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thelastpsychiatrist.com - China Needs Fewer TVs, Or A Billion Of Them. Adnotated.
1937259;1568819550;mircea_popescu;yes, i suppose that's what i'm saying : that children are by their nature closer to animals than people ; and that the people taking them across perforce spend their time dealing with animals, and therefore they'll be covered in shit.
1937260;1568819616;mircea_popescu;however they manage to survive this trauma, by "Seeing past it" or "tolerating it well" or whatever -- the impression they'll make is "of someone who doesn't mind the shit so much".
1937261;1568819856;diana_coman;well, I don't know really; for one thing the "impression they make" is really a matter of the viewer and his impression so sure, it's consistent with one lens so why not, certainly.
1937262;1568819878;mircea_popescu;ah, of course tis in the eye of the beholder.
1937263;1568819892;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: so , model of tlp, as sort of st. francis preaching to the birds ?
1937264;1568819905;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, seems the best possible construction available.
1937265;1568819914;*;asciilifeform buys.
1937266;1568819916;mircea_popescu;uhttp://trilema.com/2019/uccellacci-e-uccellini/
1937267;1568819948;diana_coman;for the other, I don't know that they learn just because they heard it enough times; it might be that they need to hear it several times, yes, but they would just the same if they simply encountered it that many times
1937268;1568819967;diana_coman;anyway, tlp is barely readable for sure
1937269;1568820010;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu in fact annotated already 10x moar tlp than asciilifeform was even able to swallow when read decade ago
1937270;1568820022;mircea_popescu;i doubt it. honestly, i think the breast is an exceptionally illustrative parallel. obviously, not all children will thrive if breastfed ; and obviously "could thrive if just found milk in environment"
1937271;1568820051;mircea_popescu;but these seem rather theoretical constructs than practical considerations. as a factual matter, there's signifciant interplay between the child and the breast.
1937272;1568820110;mircea_popescu;breastfeeding drives a lot of immunity response, for instance. this is no small matter, if one looks at things by complexity rather than by some abbreviated "works for me" criteria.
1937273;1568820122;asciilifeform;re vestigial glands, incidentally, [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2017-07-17#1685530][see also this vintage bit]
1937274;1568820122;snsabot;Logged on 2017-07-17 15:29:30 a111: Logged on 2014-12-08 17:41 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://yarchive.net/med/social_osteoporosis.html << related hypothesis
1937275;1568820162;mircea_popescu;afaik the "woman and man are different, for the former bone exists as calcium warehouse, for the latter bone exists as muscle leverage" is not even controversial.
1937276;1568820212;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: yes; what I don't see is junior high learning ~= baby level
1937277;1568820229;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, i used the junior high as the outer bounds of "baby"
1937278;1568820250;diana_coman;sure, it's not just the repetition ie "it would be enough if a machine repeated it on a loop"
1937279;1568820252;mircea_popescu;and "undergraduate" as the inner bounds of "adult" or w/e it is the traditional university approach to work.
1937280;1568820267;diana_coman;hm
1937281;1568820270;mircea_popescu;ah yes, repetition per se definitely not even remotely it.
1937282;1568820341;mircea_popescu;children are (often infuriatingly, generally [http://trilema.com/2017/juno/#footnote_3_71569][disavowedly]) quite as capable as adults to disentangle emotional cues.
1937283;1568820356;mircea_popescu;but then again, arguably so are horses.
1937284;1568820358;diana_coman;the core of it as I see it (and matching btw the breast + gender difference) is that they are not yet able to act independently (in this case: independent learning , hence yes, if you just send them to read, it won't do much)
1937285;1568820377;diana_coman;but dunno, are you calling *all* giving support cvasi-bovine?
1937286;1568820391;mircea_popescu;yes, we could say the brain's not yet structured enough to self manage all that well, recursion drops quickly.
1937287;1568820391;*;asciilifeform sees ideal of university education as moar of a [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2017-04-07#1640167][decockroaching] rather than continuation of kindergarten 'learn through repetition'
1937288;1568820392;snsabot;Logged on 2017-04-07 14:24:31 mircea_popescu: no, let's also de-equivocate think. there's two kinds of think, one's a forge/reflow/examination of trees resulting in analytical consumption of inputs with actionable outputs guaranteed ; the other is a neurotic behaviour perhaps best described as spinning, whereby specific emotional triggers / detriggers are visited in succession. the prussian model was never concerned with the former in any sense, but merely
1937289;1568820483;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, has little to do with the support ; all activity that proceeds irrespective of results is what the ox does.
1937290;1568820619;diana_coman;uhm; I suppose I don't see this irrespective of results; fwiw, not even breast "proceeds irrespective of results" if you think that it adapts supply if nothing else
1937291;1568820675;asciilifeform;breast famously (if poorly documentedly) comes with a 'if defective then 'forget' to feed it' exception handler
1937292;1568820761;diana_coman;well yeah, it actually comes with a lot of "if x then y" but the supply is just the most obvious & well documented.
1937293;1568821089;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, afaik the only standing paradigm of university is still socrates', "[http://trilema.com/2018/surprised-by-joy-the-shape-of-my-early-life-adnotated/?b=Stop!&e=expecting%20it#select][and now i will tell you why you are wrong]" ; and you are stuck re-doing until right.
1937294;1568821117;asciilifeform;aha, redoing
1937295;1568821121;mircea_popescu;i suppose this is veering towards a discussion of mastitis...
1937296;1568821126;diana_coman;lolz
1937297;1568821144;mircea_popescu;but i also suppose perhaps implicit negative connotation associated to the animal's involved.
1937298;1568821219;mircea_popescu;the term's not used derrogatorily but ambiguously ; consider similar in "[http://trilema.com/2016/a-story-of-men/?b=taurine&e=sort#select][He's a taurine sort]"
1937299;1568821295;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha! i never understood why 'negative associations with bull'. the ancients worshipped the bull, the cow. critter feeds man, moar than dog ever was able
1937300;1568821323;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, because they earn to derealize. there's little more real than the ox.
1937301;1568821329;mircea_popescu;they yearn*
1937302;1568821425;mircea_popescu;in any case  : it is notoriously difficult to evaluate small children ; and eminently unwise, evaluation should start later. someone's gotta feed all the children until old enough to be killed or not.
1937303;1568821464;mircea_popescu;the capacity to do this exists in humans necessarily ; like any capacity it is also capable of dysfunction as part and parcel of being capable of function.
1937304;1568821480;mircea_popescu;this pretty much brings us full circle.
1937305;1568822191;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in "whisperers" historical idiocy : woman is known as le Bel Ange Nu, supposedly because went about ~naked. no fucking paintings survive documenting the theory. idiots.
1937306;1568822402;feedbot;http://thetarpit.org/posts/y06/0a1-kavarna.html << The Tar Pit -- nu-i
1937307;1568822649;asciilifeform;^ a+++ nostalgia fuel, spyked
1937308;1568823162;lobbes;holy shit, those were some beautiful shots spyked
1937309;1568825307;asciilifeform;meanwhile, phf's site appears to have fallen down. i.e. only access to era1 l0gz is nao by hand.
1937310;1568832083;*;mircea_popescu watched chapelle's new show. 
1937311;1568832098;mircea_popescu;pretty shitty.
1937312;1568832247;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Hey, WAPO ran a piece this week celebrating "How much funnier we have become." The cancerous faggot held up 70's socialist propaganda "Sesame Street" as his straw puppets.
1937313;1568832301;mircea_popescu;eh you kidding me, 3rd rate corporate orientation videos of the 90s were funnier than that netflix special
1937314;1568832344;mircea_popescu;whatever, the pravda's coming up next with "how much prosperouser we have become", to match the history of soviet decay exactly.
1937315;1568832354;BingoBoingo;I have not seen the new Chapelle.
1937316;1568832397;mircea_popescu;meanwhike * * * "GET /2016/to-the-dao-and-the-ethereum-community-fuck-you/ HTTP/1.1" 200 185133 "https://twitter.com/@dan_pantera" "Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:51.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/51.0"
1937317;1568832460;mircea_popescu;niggas be still pretendin' on all the scores.
1937318;1568832904;asciilifeform;iirc mircea_popescu had a piece devoted to this particular lolcow ( but can't seem to find in o(1)... )
1937319;1568832967;mircea_popescu;no ?
1937320;1568833002;mircea_popescu;just some derpy frisco outfit, "pantera capital"
1937321;1568833044;asciilifeform;hm. possibly i dreamed it
1937322;1568833072;mircea_popescu;they are eminently forgettable, so perhaps i just forgot avout it.
1937323;1568833104;asciilifeform;( maybe was in era1 l0gz. the d00d ran a shitcoin of some description. and asciilifeform is certain that he found out about it from trilema or l0gz, as he dun read shitcoinism straight from atmosphere )
1937324;1568833168;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: http://qntra.net/2014/12/changetip-raises-3-5-million-lead-by-pantera-capital/ They did the Changetip spambot
1937325;1568833176;asciilifeform;aa! ty BingoBoingo
1937326;1568833294;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-18#1937258 << >> http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2018-08-08#1840303
1937327;1568833295;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-18 15:28:58 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Hey, WAPO ran a piece this week celebrating "How much funnier we have become." The cancerous faggot held up 70's socialist propaganda "Sesame Street" as his straw puppets.
1937328;1568833295;snsabot;Logged on 2018-08-08 10:17:37 asciilifeform: based, of course, on the famous 'Жить стало лучше, жить стало веселей!' (tm)(r)(stalin)
1937329;1568833390;asciilifeform;and meanwhile asciilifeform's local saduniversity institutes mandatory vegetarian menu in the barracks cafeteria .
1937330;1568833686;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/09/usg-sues-to-prevent-snowden-from-making-money-on-book/ << Qntra -- USG Sues To Prevent Snowden From Making Money On Book
1937331;1568833726;asciilifeform;a++ spamarketing. (waithefuq is 'his' b00k in english ??)
1937332;1568834404;diana_coman;!!up mountain_billy
1937333;1568834410;diana_coman;ugh, still no deedbot
1937334;1568834642;mircea_popescu;tsk
1937335;1568834647;mircea_popescu;hey trinque
1937336;1568834666;diana_coman;apparently mountain_billy is billymg , travelling and away from terminal
1937337;1568834679;mircea_popescu;ah!
1937338;1568834696;*;mircea_popescu shall say what had in mind on man's blog
1937339;1568834869;*;mircea_popescu also never realised before that billymg actually stands for "Billy, Mountain Goat".
1937340;1568834883;diana_coman;:D I was thinking mountain_goat all the time
1937341;1568855242;trinque;so ftr, right now I have this in netstat:
1937342;1568855245;trinque;tcp          0      0  45.32.123.240.31311    130.185.232.126.6666   ESTABLISHED
1937343;1568855532;trinque;woah, after a restart of the service I now have two!
1937344;1568855561;trinque;http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=gQPW <<
1937345;1568855589;trinque;if anybody knows what could even cause this, pls to write in.
1937346;1568855625;trinque;oh wait, I'm an idiot. there's the test bot still connected from same box...
1937347;1568855654;trinque;but! that means that bot is still connected in a tmux, while deedbot (same code) was stuck, doing ???
1937348;1568862756;asciilifeform;wb trinque ( and deedbot ) !
1937349;1568862863;asciilifeform;!q uptime
1937350;1568862863;snsabot;asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 33d 13h 35m
1937351;1568862891;asciilifeform;^ i'ma finally cycle that thing in coupla days, bvt's reconnector & mircea_popescu's 'plox to mark crosspostism' to swap in.
1937352;1568863061;asciilifeform;diana_coman: where's ossabot ?
1937353;1568863081;*;asciilifeform guesses : 'in reconnect bug loop'
1937354;1568874505;diana_coman;asciilifeform: myeah; I've deployed now the latest bot too since I had it scheduled anyway (ie pressed to irssi_format vpatch); I synced the few lines with the raw knob; let's see how it goes from now on.
1937355;1568881803;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-18#1937291 << if i had to guess, it'd be "deedbot becoming sentient, trying to realise the irc bridge of [http://trilema.com/2019/the-freenode-issue/#comment-128264][march] on its own".
1937356;1568881804;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-18 21:58:02 trinque: if anybody knows what could even cause this, pls to write in.
1937357;1568882275;diana_coman;trinque: I asked (at 8:18 local time, now it's 9:43) deedbot to deed something ( !!deed http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=n6vP ) but it hasn't replied with anything at all; am I doing something wrong there?
1937358;1568882308;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: ahaha; if I see deedbot popping up in #o too, I'll really have to wonder.
1937359;1568882322;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, an' considering we're apparently stuck with a buncha [https://archive.is/0yRis][chris]es over here : any of your resident knights capable of registering a chan on ~any other network~ and writing the bridge code on top of extant bot already ?
1937360;1568882323;mircea_popescu;i'll totally ennoble them, if they can sustain that ABSOLUTE MINIMUM BAR of intellectual liveliness holy shit.
1937361;1568882414;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, i didn't see you say !!deed ?
1937362;1568882430;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: I said it in pm; hm, did it need it here?
1937363;1568882437;mircea_popescu;only works here as per express design
1937364;1568882444;diana_coman;!!deed http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=n6vP
1937365;1568882449;deedbot;accepted: 1
1937366;1568882451;diana_coman;oh, I missed that, huh
1937367;1568882457;mircea_popescu;cool beanz.
1937368;1568882496;diana_coman;trinque: nm, it was my bad; maybe add though a note to the !!help there?
1937369;1568882682;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: the sustain part is the one on which none has managed yet to convince me; fwiw the task is one of those I have in mind precisely to get some bright guy going.
1937370;1568882691;mircea_popescu;aite.
1937371;1568882717;feedbot;http://thewhet.net/2019/09/a-letter-from-dad-can-pushing-make-the-line-go-faster/ << The Whet -- A Letter from Dad: "Can Pushing Make the Line Go Faster?"
1937372;1568883758;mircea_popescu;incidentally, thinking more on http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935600 i have to say this is by and of itself a failure mode of thought.
1937373;1568883758;mircea_popescu;while it's true that in principle such a thing as the greek tragedy damnation could exist in reality (or whatever, its shitty hollywood renditions), nevertheless ~this is a point for the gods alone~. it is not a symbol representable in the mind of man ; all attempts to do so are they themselves doomed to failure.
1937374;1568883758;mircea_popescu;trying to meta-smart, pseudothinking in your dumb head "if i were a literary character and these things happened to me, what'd it mean about the script" will not only fail to deliver any useful predictions (in the sense that it'll work EXACTLY as well as a RNG-choice, to perfectly fuck you over), but it will actually prevent you from deriving any benefits from the circumstance you're NOT a fucking literary character.
1937375;1568883758;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-11 13:20:48 asciilifeform: diana_coman: i wasn't there, at the tea table, so can't say. but fwiw i suspect he thought 'already written off' .
1937376;1568883761;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-17#1937164 exists ~in reality~, but not in fiction ; and there's a very good reason anne's not a literary character you ever met : it's "hard" to write, meaning, writing's LIMITING.
1937377;1568883762;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-17 19:34:40 mircea_popescu: in other historic lulz : in other historic lulz : it is altogether likely that the fifteen year old anne lennard had a lesbian relationship with hortense mancini, her father's unofficial mistress and therefore the competition of barbara villiers, the official mistress.
1937378;1568883765;mircea_popescu;everyone sitting on ass all day tryna write THE STORY of their life results in some [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-17#1937092][very limited], sad broken wrecks of lives -- because that's the one thing about fiction : to write a story, you first and foremost and necessarily MUST CUT MOST LIFE OUT.
1937379;1568883766;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-17 15:34:18 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, the failure in this thinking is that "smart boi wants to use his smarts in war".
1937380;1568883769;mircea_popescu;it's not a good trade ; in fact it is the capital bad trade, the doom crow all the [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-16#1936657][lesser black birds] follow, and follow naturally.
1937381;1568883770;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-16 05:36:16 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936612 << you bought it ~[http://trilema.com/2015/argentina-for-business/?b=Why%20would&e=at%20all#select][as an inflation play]~ ?! holy hell man, what the fuck's wrong with schooling there. inflation is the enemy of old men, what the fuck does a 20yo care, holy shit it's all backwards.
1937382;1568883772;mircea_popescu;once you divide by 0, you'll get any other result you want ; once you buy [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-16#1936657][this pantsuit idiocy] of "try to guess what [http://trilema.com/2014/an-hero-is-he/?b=Children&e=context#select][your life] might mean in context", your life will be an endless AND DOOMED quest to rid yourself of pantsuitism.
1937383;1568883773;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-16 05:36:16 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936612 << you bought it ~[http://trilema.com/2015/argentina-for-business/?b=Why%20would&e=at%20all#select][as an inflation play]~ ?! holy hell man, what the fuck's wrong with schooling there. inflation is the enemy of old men, what the fuck does a 20yo care, holy shit it's all backwards.
1937384;1568883777;mircea_popescu;"oh, expellas furca, recurret" hurr durr. of course it fucking reccurs, YOU BUILT IT IN THERE.
1937385;1568883779;mircea_popescu;so do me a favour an' never spend your cycles sitting there trying "to figure out" what "[http://trilema.com/2016/the-story-of-elliot-rodger-by-elliot-rodger-adnotated-part-five/?b=intellectual&e=greatness#select][your destiny is]". it ain't anything, you're not a livresque personage. not YET. and you don't HAVE TO BE, either.
1937386;1568883913;mircea_popescu;fucking calvinism.
1937387;1568884053;mircea_popescu;THIS, motherfucker, [http://trilema.com/2017/dupa-dealuri/][THIS] is why [http://trilema.com/2015/the-rabbi-and-the-ewe/][wise men], such as myself, tell MORON wanna-be idiots, such as [http://trilema.com/2011/hai-sa-facem-un-exercitiu/][calvin, schmalvin, etceteravin] to ne ultra crepidam.
1937388;1568884086;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-19#1937318 - quite a common one too, from what I've seen; a sort of "easy give up" I'd say.
1937389;1568884086;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-19 06:03:14 mircea_popescu: incidentally, thinking more on http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-11#1935600 i have to say this is by and of itself a failure mode of thought.
1937390;1568884086;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-11 13:20:48 asciilifeform: diana_coman: i wasn't there, at the tea table, so can't say. but fwiw i suspect he thought 'already written off' .
1937391;1568884106;mircea_popescu;this. because they're fucking stupid, and provincial, and beyond moronic, and their "hepry-derp o looksy, works for me, i have now invented excelreligion!!!! ALL HAIL MY GREATNESS EXCEPT SOME MANIFESTLY BETTER PEOPLE WHO ARE JEALOUS!!!!ELEVENTY" results always and forver in fucking excel.
1937392;1568884144;mircea_popescu;which nobody the fuck wants -- but most everybody is not equipped to know why the fuck not.
1937393;1568884210;mircea_popescu;"oh hurr durr it's ok, we'll '''fight oppression'' in the sense of the oppression of sense and reason we feel because we're stupid, and make it electoral!!! then sovereignity will never be invested, meaning nobody will be there to hang us by our ears for failing ; and besides the idiots will always vote such that nobody could tell the problem anyay! FIXED!!!"
1937394;1568884212;mircea_popescu;fucktards.
1937395;1568884299;mircea_popescu;the holy service in latin ; and when [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-12#1935757][the OTHER anne], the failed anne, the spurious anne "doesn't understand how the scripture relates to her", she gets caged.
1937396;1568884299;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-12 06:24:42 mircea_popescu: (and since we're doing history : anyone know of a study describing anne hutchinson's self-evident influence upon the concept of a "witch" in the colonies, and retelling the "witch trials" as her necessary epiphenomenal epigonic downstream ?)
1937397;1568884322;mircea_popescu;she should;ve been fucking her mothers' bf other gf when she was 15 instead. then she'd have understood just fine.
1937398;1568884515;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/bundle-595586.txt
1937399;1568884693;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-18#1937292 << keks, test bot never disconnects!
1937400;1568884694;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-18 21:58:38 trinque: oh wait, I'm an idiot. there's the test bot still connected from same box...
1937401;1568884796;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-18#1937297 << also the up/down links for references nor toosoon ?
1937402;1568884796;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-18 23:59:43 asciilifeform: ^ i'ma finally cycle that thing in coupla days, bvt's reconnector & mircea_popescu's 'plox to mark crosspostism' to swap in.
1937403;1568885134;mircea_popescu;[http://trilema.com/2016/the-story-of-elliot-rodger-by-elliot-rodger-adnotated-part-nine/?b=In%20August&e=pot#select][dat elliott], such perfect all-esltards. he's truly the universal model of everyone.
1937404;1568886091;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-19#1937344 - asciilifeform, lobbes, corrected old logs of #o with the missing lines and ":" ; please feed it to your loggers (a drop of lines < 1000000 and then eat_dump should work fine); thank you.
1937405;1568886091;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-19 06:15:51 deedbot: http://deedbot.org/bundle-595586.txt
1937406;1568886238;*;mircea_popescu is hoping we've got all this pretty well ironed out by now, seeing how this threatens to become exponential over time.
1937407;1568886277;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: it's still those darned lines from *before the bot*, arrrgh; and there is no such thing as "irssi format", no matter how I look at it.
1937408;1568886288;mircea_popescu;aha
1937409;1568886304;diana_coman;but myeah, I ended up knowing way more than I ever wanted to about the multiple irssi formats, ugh.
1937410;1568886308;mircea_popescu;"my gf is flexible" "does she do the bridge" "no, she doesn't exist".
1937411;1568886336;*;diana_coman will grant diplomas in hair theory of an irssi format
1937412;1568886476;mircea_popescu;[https://i.imgur.com/JKYXB3B.jpg][visual aid]
1937413;1568886703;mircea_popescu;[view-source:https://contortion.net/images/nude-gymnastics/nude-gymnast2.jpg][further visual aid]. check out [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Pavlova_%28gymnast%29][anna]'s cute barefoot shoes, wtf is that!
1937414;1568887127;mircea_popescu;oh, also, in involuntary visual gags : egyptian [https://contortion.net/images/nude-gymnastics/young-nude-gymnast.jpg][sockets]. IT'S ELECTRIC!!!
1937415;1568888619;mircea_popescu;in other news, hanbot i see your above an' i give you both http://trilema.com/2010/socializarea-pagubelor/ an; http://trilema.com/2010/fata-cu-visine/
1937416;1568888623;mircea_popescu;so THERE!
1937417;1568888793;mircea_popescu;not to mention, of course, http://trilema.com/2010/categorii-sociale/
1937418;1568888800;mircea_popescu;jaysus ancient rotrilema's a pleasure to read
1937419;1568891664;feedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2019/09/19/tedious-takeover-regulatory-style/ << Ossa Sepia -- Tedious Takeover, Regulatory Style
1937420;1568901934;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-19#1937350 << kk. I'll do the log feeding later tonight once forums quiet down.
1937421;1568901934;ericbot;Logged on 2019-09-19 09:42:40 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-19#1937344 - asciilifeform, lobbes, corrected old logs of #o with the missing lines and ":" ; please feed it to your loggers (a drop of lines < 1000000 and then eat_dump should work fine); thank you.
1937422;1568901935;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-19 06:15:51 deedbot: http://deedbot.org/bundle-595586.txt
1937423;1568903182;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-19#1937305 << afaik classical irc doesn't bridge 'b/w chans' but b/w networks. ( or is the idea to bake a #t on another net and echo what is said there, via bot ? )
1937424;1568903183;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-19 05:23:36 mircea_popescu: speaking of which, an' considering we're apparently stuck with a buncha [https://archive.is/0yRis][chris]es over here : any of your resident knights capable of registering a chan on ~any other network~ and writing the bridge code on top of extant bot already ?
1937425;1568903231;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-19#1937321 << does anyone ~actually~ do this ? outside of terminal, asylum-grade cases of 'napoleons'
1937426;1568903231;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-19 05:47:32 mircea_popescu: trying to meta-smart, pseudothinking in your dumb head "if i were a literary character and these things happened to me, what'd it mean about the script" will not only fail to deliver any useful predictions (in the sense that it'll work EXACTLY as well as a RNG-choice, to perfectly fuck you over), but it will actually prevent you from deriving any benefits from the circumstance you're NOT a fucking literary char
1937427;1568903340;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-19#1937347 << that's the piece i dun have of yet. ( and imho oughta be implemented after the no-dates-url thing is properly solved. otherwise will have to be 100% rebaked when it is. )
1937428;1568903341;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-19 06:04:50 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-18#1937297 << also the up/down links for references nor toosoon ?
1937429;1568903363;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-19#1937350 << ty diana_coman , i'ma feed it today.
1937430;1568903364;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-19 06:26:25 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-19#1937344 - asciilifeform, lobbes, corrected old logs of #o with the missing lines and ":" ; please feed it to your loggers (a drop of lines < 1000000 and then eat_dump should work fine); thank you.
1937431;1568903364;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-19 06:15:51 deedbot: http://deedbot.org/bundle-595586.txt
1937432;1568903387;*;asciilifeform brb,teatime
1937433;1568906271;asciilifeform;diana_coman: 'delete from loglines where chan = 'ossasepia' and idx < 1000000;' and then eaten your deeded dump. ate w/out eggog. plox to lemme know if see barf.
1937434;1568906327;asciilifeform;( lobbes : dun fughet to 1) verify and then 2) strip out the pgpisms in this dump , when eating )
1937435;1568906448;diana_coman;asciilifeform: thanks!
1937436;1568906461;asciilifeform;diana_coman: np. plox to spot-test for correctness when you get a chance.
1937437;1568906509;diana_coman;will do
1937438;1568906540;asciilifeform;meanwhile in http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-18#1937255 -- apparently phf still tuned in , and fixed when i asked. but really we oughta settle the url thing imho, so can finally import era1 .
1937439;1568906540;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-18 13:33:17 asciilifeform: meanwhile, phf's site appears to have fallen down. i.e. only access to era1 l0gz is nao by hand.
1937440;1568906969;asciilifeform;for reference : [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-28#1931754][the orig. urlism thread] . ( last paused at [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-29#1931856][ mircea_popescu's 'let's think some moar' ] )
1937441;1568906969;snsabot;Logged on 2019-08-28 21:14:00 asciilifeform: trinque: basic desired scheme is http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931395
1937442;1568906969;snsabot;Logged on 2019-08-29 03:37:54 mircea_popescu: dun have to be solved today, we'll live for quite a while as it stands.
1937443;1568907037;diana_coman;asciilifeform: I spotchecked for each of the days, so far no barf; the sad experience indicates that it's mostly a matter of actually re-reading ~all of it to spot anything but at least shrysr will help there since he anyway has to re-read.
1937444;1568907100;asciilifeform;diana_coman: ty. (and yes this is a thing that students can do. maybe with help of whip.)
1937445;1568910930;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/09/israeli-elections-bibi-appears-beat/ << Qntra -- Israeli Elections: Bibi Appears Beat
1937446;1568914909;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-19#1937369 << don't start with this, you were there when it was specced, you were all like "oh, this is clearly the right move", what 101 "unclarities" are these six months later.
1937447;1568914910;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-19 11:11:17 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-19#1937305 << afaik classical irc doesn't bridge 'b/w chans' but b/w networks. ( or is the idea to bake a #t on another net and echo what is said there, via bot ? )
1937448;1568914917;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-19#1937371 << yes. EVERYONE.
1937449;1568914918;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-19 11:12:06 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-19#1937321 << does anyone ~actually~ do this ? outside of terminal, asylum-grade cases of 'napoleons'
1937450;1568914989;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'registering a chan on ~any other network~ and writing the bridge code' read like diff item. but if actually refers to 'bridge nets', then aite
1937451;1568915027;mircea_popescu;not like it didn't link to discussion!
1937452;1568915034;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: why would a net bridge require changes to bot tho ?
1937453;1568915042;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-19#1937386 << well, it's only been two weeks, can't say much has sedimented meanwhile.
1937454;1568915042;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-19 12:14:24 asciilifeform: for reference : [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-28#1931754][the orig. urlism thread] . ( last paused at [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-29#1931856][ mircea_popescu's 'let's think some moar' ] )
1937455;1568915082;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, elementarily, because it'll have to connect to another network. but no, it's not significant. it's just against retarded assumptions of "there is the limit and this is the inside we sit in" typical of boy-geniuses,.
1937456;1568915092;mircea_popescu;ie, hardest thing to do.
1937457;1568915170;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there's 0 fleanode-specific logic in the current bot. if connecting to diff net, then it goes in place of fleanode in 'servers = .... ' in config .
1937458;1568915208;mircea_popescu;who knows what speshul twists and turns they have.
1937459;1568915216;asciilifeform;( granted it is possible that some net has oddball nonstandard auth etc )
1937460;1568915220;mircea_popescu;right.
1937461;1568915793;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/09/argentina-continues-pre-election-collapse-under-now-kirchnerist-macri/ << Qntra -- Argentina Continues Pre-Election Collapse Under Now Kirchnerist Macri
1937462;1568915912;mircea_popescu;dat lulzhole...
1937463;1568916194;*;asciilifeform goes to reread mircea_popescu's bridge nets algo piece
1937464;1568916245;BingoBoingo;Wat do? Take out more development loans to burn on feeding the Buenos Aires hungry mouths warehouse? That's run its course. All they have left to try is Africa style "feed a child for a dollar a day" infomercials on late night tv.
1937465;1568916394;asciilifeform;[http://trilema.com/2019/the-freenode-issue/#comment-128270][subj] for ref.
1937466;1568916982;*;asciilifeform has been doing decidedly 'unsexy' chores -- testing rk's , and making lotsa small holes in aluminum...
1937467;1568918784;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo, yeah, except they actually still think they're people.
1937468;1568918886;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: The irony is they don't think the Peruanas, Venezolanas, or Paraguayas actually doing work in their occupied territory are people.
1937469;1568918929;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: speaking of these -- whatever became of yer 'venezolana' ?
1937470;1568918990;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: She's finally got the rest of the surviving family ready to evacuate sometime in late November.
1937471;1568919032;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: lemme guess -- to miami ?
1937472;1568919044;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Back to Uruguay
1937473;1568919049;asciilifeform;ha
1937474;1568919201;BingoBoingo;Well she left her girlfriend here
1937475;1568919259;asciilifeform;imho you gotta try an' strip those valence electrons, BingoBoingo , an' make that boron trifluoride. that was a++ grade chix.
1937476;1568919278;asciilifeform;err, bromine trifluoride.
1937477;1568919498;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The thing about diasporas is they seem to throw their best the furthest distance from the zone being escaped.
1937478;1568919737;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i seem to recall that she was actually chinese ?
1937479;1568919829;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Chinese and Polish Ancestry. Venezuela is a country of immigrants, which is a large part of their political dilemma. The native and African Venezolanos love Maduro and Chavismo. The EuroVenezolanos and Asians hate Maduro and Chavismo.
1937480;1568919847;asciilifeform;a.
1937481;1568920101;*;asciilifeform never fully grasped what is 'chavismo', other than a vague 'say no to colonization by washington' thrust
1937482;1568921363;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It's a sort of "Whitey has, we have less but want more" movement which Maduro inherited as a sort of clumsy Stalin.
1937483;1568952323;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-19#1937380 << ty, I always appreciate n00b tips (I in fact only learned of the "gpg --decrypt signed.txt >> unsigned.txt" method for clearsigned files a mere few months ago, so you never can be too careful)
1937484;1568952323;ericbot;Logged on 2019-09-19 15:19:56 asciilifeform: ( lobbes : dun fughet to 1) verify and then 2) strip out the pgpisms in this dump , when eating )
1937485;1568952327;lobbes;likewise, diana_coman I followed same procedures as asciilifeform for dropping lines < 1000000 and fed your dump to my logger. Ate fine and no issues that I can see via spot checks.
1937486;1568960089;diana_coman;lobbes: thanks!
1937487;1568964697;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936289 << i don't recall, what was the eta for this ?
1937488;1568964697;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-14 19:49:08 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936099 << couldn't be more behind this. if nothing else, you learn whether anyone else has gravity worth a sparrow's fart.
1937489;1568964750;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-19#1937420 << lol wait, wait, who's that ?
1937490;1568964751;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-19 15:38:17 BingoBoingo: Well she left her girlfriend here
1937491;1568964841;*;mircea_popescu can't discern if BingoBoingo is intimating he's the girlfriend ; or that he's got [http://trilema.com/2015/fun-with-pairs-of-girls/][a pair] ; or that there's independently a pair of lezzies he's following around ; or what.
1937492;1568969949;mircea_popescu;meanwhile [http://ossasepia.com/2019/09/19/tedious-takeover-regulatory-style/#comment-6611][this comment] is so good ima recommend it to reading in teh general
1937493;1568974016;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in ancient greats, http://trilema.com/2010/maek-monis-on-autopilot/
1937494;1568978857;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: thank you for the comment; I'll chew on it.
1937495;1568990117;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-20#1937437 << lol, I experienced similar trouble discerning.
1937496;1568990117;ericbot;Logged on 2019-09-20 07:35:11 mircea_popescu: can't discern if BingoBoingo is intimating he's the girlfriend ; or that he's got [http://trilema.com/2015/fun-with-pairs-of-girls/][a pair] ; or that there's independently a pair of lezzies he's following around ; or what.

1937497;1568992121;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Dentist Venezolana left a PR/Receptionist Venezolana behind
1937498;1568992285;BingoBoingo;They are a pair I met the first night in country
1937499;1568992815;diana_coman;hanbot: you have broken trilema links on your blog as they still use polimedia.us eg those in http://thewhet.net/2012/11/shall-be-delivered/
1937500;1568998248;feedbot;http://thetarpit.org/posts/y06/0a2-botworks-viii.html << The Tar Pit -- Botworks: Trilemabot and Feedbot V patches, the autumn 2019 session
1937501;1569007359;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: meanwhile, at the scrap dealer, asciilifeform picked up 12 pairs of ~mint-condition rack rails for 50 $ . 9 x '1u', 4 x '2u' .
1937502;1569007383;BingoBoingo;SWEET
1937503;1569007389;asciilifeform;(normally they retail for 50-100 ea., which is imho outrageous, but fact.)
1937504;1569007418;asciilifeform;i'm still pissed that these can't be bought in the south americas and have to be flown, wtf monkey men
1937505;1569007546;BingoBoingo;Well, PC towers in datacenter racks. Front bolt only switches and routers in office WIFI RACKS
1937506;1569007566;asciilifeform;saw these, aha
1937507;1569007572;asciilifeform;eye-popping.
1937508;1569007604;asciilifeform;( for folx who haven't been to piz house : picture desktop 'dell's stacked 12 high )
1937509;1569007634;asciilifeform;some of'em even yellowing-white , clearly 15+ y.o. items
1937510;1569007655;BingoBoingo;Other racks clearly filled with things made for racking
1937511;1569007666;asciilifeform;i couldn't help but wonder what these people do when they need to pull one from inside the stack
1937512;1569007720;BingoBoingo;A number of the tower racks do have a sort of shelving installed preventing the tower cases from being load bearing
1937513;1569007742;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-20#1937447 << haha win./
1937514;1569007743;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-20 16:07:40 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: meanwhile, at the scrap dealer, asciilifeform picked up 12 pairs of ~mint-condition rack rails for 50 $ . 9 x '1u', 4 x '2u' .
1937515;1569007755;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: lulzily, the dealer sold these with a rack, also brand-new, back an' front doors & all. i have sadly nowhere for another rack to live, let'im keep it
1937516;1569007773;mircea_popescu;course 9 + 4 = 13, but w/e, baker's dozen
1937517;1569007791;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lol i missed 1 in 1st count aha
1937518;1569007813;mircea_popescu;still, this is what value adding is all about, made pizarro half a bitcent today!
1937519;1569007813;asciilifeform;they were all matching pairs tho.
1937520;1569007876;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i make regular visits to the scrapyards, sometimes find a++ deals.
1937521;1569007899;asciilifeform;~all of asciilifeform's torture room furnishings, from there.
1937522;1569007935;mircea_popescu;i bet.
1937523;1569007969;asciilifeform;there was a crate of tank pressure regulators stamped 'hydrogen' , 'patent 1943', but dun think i could bring myself to use these.
1937524;1569008393;asciilifeform;meanwhile, from the lulzcollector traps : [https://archive.is/snfXJ][usg nuke ministry's attempt at ffa.] ( for bonus laffs, [https://archive.is/q1RSG][they apparently have a shithub, fulla misc. opensores rubbishes] ...)
1937525;1569008614;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-20#1937444 << BingoBoingo : when asciilifeform showed pet photo of that chix, was asked 'why the fuck didntcha bring her in as pet!' lol
1937526;1569008615;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-20 11:56:26 BingoBoingo: They are a pair I met the first night in country
1937527;1569008770;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-20#1937438 << imho mircea_popescu has mega-point in there -- i dunno re the british , but over here all sortsa nonsense gets 'university affiliated' , via barely coupla k $ of greased palms. it's almost like the 'churches' thing .
1937528;1569008770;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-20 05:44:09 mircea_popescu: meanwhile [http://ossasepia.com/2019/09/19/tedious-takeover-regulatory-style/#comment-6611][this comment] is so good ima recommend it to reading in teh general
1937529;1569008899;asciilifeform;[http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2018-05-25#1818678][see also e.g.]
1937530;1569008899;snsabot;Logged on 2018-05-25 01:53:45 trinque: http://www.umiacs.umd.edu/about-us/news/elaine-shi-named-2014-sloan-research-fellow << umd! sorry, that homely beast is all yours.
1937531;1569008965;asciilifeform;+ [http://trilema.com/2015/on-the-elaine-shi-and-andrew-miller-scam-ring/][oblig trilema] .
1937532;1569009275;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: As far as I can tell Harvard, MIT, WUStl, U Chicago, Stanford, et al are functionally little more than Cathedrals of Pantsuitism where the self loathing go to get their benedictions and such
1937533;1569009320;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: nominally organized army of great inca, aha; but on the periphery , all sortsa oddball barnacles attached
1937534;1569009344;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Not an army so much as a clergy
1937535;1569009369;asciilifeform;like the old clergy, plenty of simoniacs, back-scratchers, misc. hangers-on
1937536;1569009386;BingoBoingo;Armies seize wealthy by force of arms. Clergies seize wealth by force of guilt.
1937537;1569010611;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/09/fedex-shareholder-suit-follows-executive-stock-sales-which-followed-cyberattacks/ << Qntra -- FedEx Shareholder Suit Follows Executive Stock Sales Which Followed Cyberattacks
1937538;1569012834;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/09/minneapolis-police-decline-to-classify-racially-motivated-beating-of-white-man-by-black-crowd-as-a-hate-crime-because-whitey-was-selected-for-attack-due-to-his-incapacitation-rather-than-his-race/ << Qntra -- Minneapolis Police Decline To Classify Racially Motivated Beating Of White Man By Black Crowd As A Hate Crime Because Whitey Was Selected For Attack Due To His Incapacitation Rather Than His Race
1937539;1569024538;asciilifeform;meanwhile in [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3256&cpage=1#comment-19822][asciilifeform's www comments.]
1937540;1569026687;asciilifeform;( accompanying thrd in #a, if anyone gives shit )
1937541;1569051412;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-20#1937480 << this is exactly right. fucktarded protestants, protested the papacy for being too inept and corrupt ; built themselves a derpier, more inept papacy in its place.
1937542;1569051413;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-20 16:40:46 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not an army so much as a clergy
1937543;1569051420;mircea_popescu;FUCKING TYPICAL.
1937544;1569056639;feedbot;http://bimbo.club/2019/09/landscape-with-the-fall-of-icarus/ << Bimbo Club -- Landscape with the fall of Icarus.
1937545;1569104293;BingoBoingo;Lots of dumpster fires today. Uncertain if they were politically motivated or futbol related.
1937546;1569104589;BingoBoingo;Also lots of drumming somewhere, un "paro general de taxistas", and Pepe Mujica agitating for pichi rights on the rambla
1937547;1569120253;asciilifeform;woah ultracompact log.
1937548;1569120320;*;asciilifeform spent the day in ironworks, away from console
1937549;1569120822;*;lobbes has been glued to console most of the day; almost has the first chunk of mp-wp-bot functioning (inserting log lines to blog post piece)
1937550;1569120857;asciilifeform;lobbes: neato.
1937551;1569120862;lobbes;ironworks as is soldering, or scavenging for parts?
1937552;1569120867;lobbes;*as in
1937553;1569120897;asciilifeform;lobbes: as in, measuring, cutting, iron.
1937554;1569120932;lobbes;nifty. literal ironworks!
1937555;1569121322;*;trinque just got in, but has been eating the log via asciilifeform's lovely reader
1937556;1569121327;trinque;evening all
1937557;1569121443;lobbes;evenin' trinque
1937558;1569121539;trinque;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-19#1937314 << sure thing, added to help
1937559;1569121539;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-19 05:26:30 diana_coman: trinque: nm, it was my bad; maybe add though a note to the !!help there?
1937560;1569121614;trinque;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-19#1937345 << the powah of naming things!
1937561;1569121614;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-19 06:03:07 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-18#1937292 << keks, test bot never disconnects!
1937562;1569121722;trinque;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-20#1937433 << should be very easy, i.e. wrapped this weekend or next. to confirm, same rules as deedbot : nonzero rating -> able to self-voice?
1937563;1569121722;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-20 04:16:36 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936289 << i don't recall, what was the eta for this ?
1937564;1569121920;trinque;I'll genesis the wotcode after this is complete.
1937565;1569122087;trinque;in that vein, it occurs to me that this holding back of items such as ^ is dishonorable in that it's effectively a signal that one intends to drag whichever items with him into the grave/bottle/sea
1937566;1569122119;trinque;and upon that, a sort of silent threat.
1937567;1569122154;trinque;spent some time this afternoon with a once proud old man, now quite close to death. frames things a certain way.
1937568;1569140213;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-21#1937494 << /me spent the day amusing myself/ourselves with local girly.
1937569;1569140214;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-21 23:30:28 asciilifeform: spent the day in ironworks, away from console

1937570;1569140284;mircea_popescu;it's funny, the havoc http://trilema.com/2018/hey-women-did-you-know-that-before-the-pantsuited-hilarity-gave-you-your-civil-rights-you-were-living-in-slavery/ has wrounght ; all these mid to low level females taking refuge in a confined life and smoking a lot of pot because pantsuited hilarity tricked them into thinking discovering "what they want" is a legtimate use of their brain time, and something they should care abo
1937571;1569140285;mircea_popescu;ut.
1937572;1569140385;mircea_popescu;it's neither, eminently. what some woman composing the 2nd to 80th percentile of any population of women THINKS she wants is of no consequence and utterly no import, for anyone HERSELF FOREMOST. tryna discover "what you want" unless you're god;s own chosen is exactly like tryna discover if moonrock should be browner
1937573;1569140433;mircea_popescu;but... it's also an easy mistake to make ; an easy stupidity to buy into. and it "explains" away so very much, insulates the mind from personal failure so well... DOES SO MUCH DAMAGE disavowed...
1937574;1569140572;mircea_popescu;self-evidently the greatest folly of our times, "you, muh daughter, should figure out what it is you want" hurr durr. nothing, of course, like the celebrated stupidities/received ideas of history ; nor as ridiculous nor as pervasive nor as inexplicable because easily dispelled nor in any way remarkable. a mediocre delusion at best.
1937575;1569140745;mircea_popescu;i have no fucking idea why the ycall it "postmodernism", it's nothing like modernism, and definitely no kind of post. it's simply the time of mediocrity : mediocre people succumbing to mediocre wounds of the spirit ; legions of apprentice wizards trying their master grimoire and causing no remarkable, explosive, catastrophic outbursts. merely [https://i.pinimg.com/736x/76/df/64/76df643b4566f10bad849bb927cbd2c4.jpg][dying q
1937576;1569140745;mircea_popescu;uietly and alone and with no hair].
1937577;1569140916;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-21#1937495 << that took a whole day ?! what, db switch hairier than alleged drop-in ?
1937578;1569140917;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-21 23:38:50 lobbes: has been glued to console most of the day; almost has the first chunk of mp-wp-bot functioning (inserting log lines to blog post piece)

1937579;1569140956;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-21#1937508 << no, rating of 9 specifically, able to self-voice.
1937580;1569140956;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-21 23:53:50 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-20#1937433 << should be very easy, i.e. wrapped this weekend or next. to confirm, same rules as deedbot : nonzero rating -> able to self-voice?
1937581;1569141004;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-21#1937511 << there's a space there, in between "ima drag this to sea" and "i intend to ~commercialize~ this".
1937582;1569141005;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-21 23:59:56 trinque: in that vein, it occurs to me that this holding back of items such as ^ is dishonorable in that it's effectively a signal that one intends to drag whichever items with him into the grave/bottle/sea
1937583;1569141063;mircea_popescu;but the latter comes with VERY FIRM OBLIGATIONS -- one has to DO MARKETING FOR THE ITEM. someone who on one hand doesn't relase code of item we use, therefore ~DECLARING~, just as good as if he had deeded, that he intends to commercialize item, and then failing to do any work towards that, is in fact quite dishonorable.
1937584;1569141628;mircea_popescu;so yes, i expect a VERY steady stream of "oh, http://trilema.com/2014/the-twinheaded-announcer-announces/#footnote_0_55947[][i tried] this, [http://trilema.com/2015/minigame-smg-june-2015-statement/#footnote_3_62044][here's how it worked]" for ALL items in that situation.
1937585;1569141697;mircea_popescu;and yes, i had been (and for years, at that) slowly growing hostile to people doing both ends of that, ie, on one hand "i'm not publishing this, i intend to earn a living off it" and then turn around and "i ain't about to advertise this, who the fuck gives a shit, i'm not putting my precious lfie behind it, wut!!!"
1937586;1569141729;mircea_popescu;it's stupid is what it is ; and not for any reason to do with the outside, but purely from a disheveling of the inside of the mind capable of such double-splits-with-double-disavowal.
1937587;1569141793;mircea_popescu;i'm aware it's very much what stupidity/puritanism/pantsuitism teaches, "pure at heart in public and very weirdly deviant in private" sorta "deal" with "[http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-21#1937487][god]". IT'S STILL FUCKING STUPID.
1937588;1569141794;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-21 04:21:57 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-20#1937480 << this is exactly right. fucktarded protestants, protested the papacy for being too inept and corrupt ; built themselves a derpier, more inept papacy in its place.
1937589;1569141881;mircea_popescu;in fact, it's not less stupid for being what [http://trilema.com/2011/hai-sa-facem-un-exercitiu/?b=this%20guy&e=individualism#select][the morons] are preaching BUT MORESO!
1937590;1569142046;mircea_popescu;but to sum it up clearly and concisely : you're not required to try and commercialize everything you come up with, feel free to publish whatever it is you want ; and you're not required to try and publish everything you come up with either, feel free to try and commercialize. but pick EXACTLY ONE. don't try [http://trilema.com/2018/patriarchy-vs-matriarchy-the-straight-dope/#comment-125566][ye olde pantsuit magic], it neve
1937591;1569142046;mircea_popescu;r yet has worked.
1937592;1569142242;mircea_popescu;but i had been growing hostile ~on the quiet~, mostly because afore today [http://trilema.com/2012/fact-of-the-matter-is-the-infrastructure-was-not-ready/][there were no good ways to explain the problem]. but now it's here, and i daresay it's as fucking limpid as sunlight, so there we go, mazel tov
1937593;1569142379;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-22#1937512 << it's also not specifically verbotten to threaten the republic. god knows i threaten my own slavegirls, dedicated as you couldn't believe and truly and honestly with nothing else in their hearth but my... well, not my aggrandization per se nor my loving extension... i'd say just that earnest & motherly "i wish this man to get perecisely as great as he possibly cou
1937594;1569142379;mircea_popescu;ld and ima do all i can to help". yet i still threaten them.
1937595;1569142380;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-22 00:00:28 trinque: and upon that, a sort of silent threat.
1937596;1569142393;mircea_popescu;there's nothing wrong with threats; there's the world wrong with not having a point.
1937597;1569142543;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-21#1937493 << i think mayhaps an alf's grown accustomed to the above morning occurence huh. sorry alfie, i don't need to take a dump EVERY morning ; even once a week's way ahead of any normal digestion....
1937598;1569142544;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-21 23:29:21 asciilifeform: woah ultracompact log.
1937599;1569162723;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-china-needs-fewer-tvs-or-a-billion-of-them-adnotated/#comment-131493 << meanwhile in other lulz
1937600;1569166531;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: pretty great, i'm almost surprised there aren't (or are there...) moar of these
1937601;1569166583;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-22#1937543 << lol i actually like waking up to a mircea_popescu piece tho
1937602;1569166583;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-22 05:40:53 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-21#1937493 << i think mayhaps an alf's grown accustomed to the above morning occurence huh. sorry alfie, i don't need to take a dump EVERY morning ; even once a week's way ahead of any normal digestion....
1937603;1569166628;asciilifeform;( from hanbot's piece i drew conclusion that mircea_popescu is back home, but possibly he's simply 'night shift' nao )
1937604;1569166728;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-22#1937527 << will add that 'commercialize' doesn't require seekrit sauces, necessarily (e.g. FG is 100% published, to no detectable detriment)
1937605;1569166729;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-22 05:15:14 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-21#1937511 << there's a space there, in between "ima drag this to sea" and "i intend to ~commercialize~ this".
1937606;1569168603;mircea_popescu;there is that.
1937607;1569168645;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, timisoara dorks, they're very self important. can you imagine this glorified rural shithole actually imagines itself "the european culture capital 2019" ?
1937608;1569168691;mircea_popescu;it's like if evanston, wyoming thought itself the center of intergalactic trade.
1937609;1569168710;diana_coman;bwahaha and mircea_popescu did not "want to answer" lmao
1937610;1569168741;mircea_popescu;you should have seen that dork, he creeped up to us while we were watching some locals zumba and all schmoozey "what is this ?"
1937611;1569168757;mircea_popescu;"this is me sitting and you talking to people you don't know. leave it at that." was the ~actual~ answer.
1937612;1569168772;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: unfortunately I can entirely see him because he's so...unique I suppose.
1937613;1569168779;mircea_popescu;took like three orbitings to process, and the fucktard STILL didn't put it in, i'm sure.
1937614;1569168806;mircea_popescu;apparently saying "last night i met some really cool people, they fucking blew me out of the water THUS AND FOLLOWING" is forbidden by god or some such.
1937615;1569168832;mircea_popescu;he's gonna get very far in life pretending to equality with his betters ; as the facts perceptible well confirm. /sarcasm
1937616;1569168858;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: eh, he made it to the newspaper, ok?
1937617;1569168867;mircea_popescu;right right.
1937618;1569168959;mircea_popescu;and, of course, "i wonder who this is", because TEN YEARS have fucking passed in vain. back in 2009 BOTH [http://trilema.com/2009/niste-rigoare-pentru-mircea-badea/][mircea] [http://trilema.com/2009/de-ce-i-gunoi-dinescu/][badeas] were like "hurr durr, who is mircea popeescu", meanwhikle a decade passed, nobody STILL ever fucking heard of either copy of them.
1937619;1569169013;mircea_popescu;i would propose that the true and proper as well as only possible epitaph for romania is exactly this "shithole had exactly one billionaire, and no fucking idea who he was".
1937620;1569169017;mircea_popescu;sums up the place like nothingelse.
1937621;1569169070;*;mircea_popescu hasn't actually read any of the links (nor do i intend to), so in theory this may be entirely baseless hatemongering on very comme il faut goodfolk who totally see the length of their nose.
1937622;1569169081;mircea_popescu;but in practice, i'm well satisfied it isn't going to be.
1937623;1569169182;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: eh, on some topics some people always "have no idea"; in the best interpretation possible, because it's so alien from everything else they have.
1937624;1569169224;mircea_popescu;yet all the items involved were standard issue. dog leashes bought in the fucking mall (and guess what, i tried them on there ALSO, week ago). women produced through the usual process some years ago.
1937625;1569169246;mircea_popescu;not like unobtanium's involved.
1937626;1569169389;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: well, it's the use not the items, the usual "omg, not used according to my expectations therefore bad, abominable, can't exist etc"
1937627;1569169537;diana_coman;in fairness, there were - according to the newspaper-bit itself - quite a few people that pointed the obvious ie 3 people being totally fine so wtf's the problem with it??
1937628;1569170135;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-22#1937523 << not sure if hairier due to my own inexperience, or because naturally hairy, but yes there is hair.
1937629;1569170136;ericbot;Logged on 2019-09-22 08:29:51 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-21#1937495 << that took a whole day ?! what, db switch hairier than alleged drop-in ?
1937630;1569170136;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-21 23:38:50 lobbes: has been glued to console most of the day; almost has the first chunk of mp-wp-bot functioning (inserting log lines to blog post piece)

1937631;1569170139;lobbes;In any case, not hairy due to alf's original code (as it is well organized and his abundant commentary makes it a pleasure to work with, actually), but due to learning curve of interfacing with mysql and/or mpwp's backend
1937632;1569170148;lobbes;I wasted a good chunk of time wrestling with proper escaping of quotes and the like, [http://blog.ericbenevides.com/2019/09/moar-testing2/][which I eventually achieved]. Turns out that the "MySQLdb" python lib I was using was shit; had to switch to "mysql.connector" which allows for proper prepared sql statements.
1937633;1569170162;lobbes;With that out of the way it has been going smoothly, and I'm mainly making up for lost time now. It would seem I'm on track to hit my [http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/09/mp-wp-bot-work-plan-week-2/][deadline] though. I will probably have some demo output for mircea_popescu to look at by the end of the day
1937634;1569170178;asciilifeform;oh hey lobbes -- ported to mysql ? do the indices work ?
1937635;1569170231;diana_coman;lobbes: sounds like a productive few days really, not bad.
1937636;1569170259;lobbes;asciilifeform: well, [http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/09/the-mp-wp-bot-job-offer/][mircea_popescu's spec] all of the lines are to appear on mp-wp articles (hence, the database piece is the backend for mp-wp, which is mysql)
1937637;1569170289;asciilifeform;aha
1937638;1569170316;asciilifeform;lobbes: but if you want the thing to be searchable -- will need, eventually, indices.
1937639;1569170342;asciilifeform;( granted, mircea_popescu's piece iirc did not mention search )
1937640;1569170349;lobbes;diana_coman: it was productive, at least. Learned things, sharpened skills. Know the logotron code more intimately as well as the mp-wp mysql "guts"
1937641;1569170392;lobbes;asciilifeform: ah but there will be search, though it will consist of a entire blog-wide search (and, since the logs will be posts, they will also be included)
1937642;1569170511;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, quite exactly.
1937643;1569170566;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-22#1937549 << which one is that
1937644;1569170567;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-22 12:22:19 asciilifeform: ( from hanbot's piece i drew conclusion that mircea_popescu is back home, but possibly he's simply 'night shift' nao )
1937645;1569170583;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://thewhet.net/2019/09/easterly-travelogue/
1937646;1569170617;mircea_popescu;ah. well, we're doing this europe thing. did a 8-9 week budapest oslo warsaw minsk kiev etc etc
1937647;1569170644;mircea_popescu;next week will go for a budapest salzburg/linz vienna munchen frankfurt berlin etc.
1937648;1569170672;asciilifeform;a. i saw 'I'm back from two-and-a-something months abroad' and thought ' mircea_popescu & co didn't stay for the autumn rains ' etc
1937649;1569170705;mircea_popescu;also attempted a sibiu/brasov etc, but it failed over brasov, romania's 2nd largest and most importantest town, [http://trilema.com/2019/my-weekend-adventure-including-the-answer-to-the-florimund-riddle-bears-how-brasov-got-itself-banned-but-romania-altogether-not-just-yet-assorted-derisions-and-aspersions-as-well-as-no-sexually][actually being an utter rural shithole], far below say highland, indiana.
1937650;1569170710;mircea_popescu;but that's where the bear was.
1937651;1569170734;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, no, see, it's a matroska doll of travel, vacations within vacations with vacation subcompartments of their own!
1937652;1569170741;asciilifeform;a++
1937653;1569170744;mircea_popescu;ikr.
1937654;1569170777;mircea_popescu;btw diana_coman you still feel like hungary ? have a cuppa this weekend ?
1937655;1569170777;*;asciilifeform re bear -- could've sworn mircea_popescu once wrote a piece re 'ursar' , the old caste of bear handler folx. but can't seem to find.
1937656;1569170798;mircea_popescu;what are you doing to me man ;/
1937657;1569170810;mircea_popescu;i can barely remember 2 in 3 of the modern, english ones.
1937658;1569170841;asciilifeform;iirc , was subcaste of gypsies, who lived 100% by training & exhibiting bear
1937659;1569170848;mircea_popescu;yup, this much is factual.
1937660;1569170920;asciilifeform;( in ru was entire 'genre', медвежья потеха ('bear amusements') , but ~extincted in 1600s )
1937661;1569170970;asciilifeform;[https://archive.is/Nba9Z][subj, illustrated.]
1937662;1569171244;mircea_popescu;i expect these were mostly the eastern gypsies. much like the jews, gypsies come in a spectrum, the southern arab-owned oens were mostly metalworkers, the northern rus' owned ones were mostly bear / acrobatics / horse riding / circus and such ; the middle set mostly thieves and whores.
1937663;1569171346;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in 1600s ru, the church had an episode of rampaging stupid, and ended with ban on not only performing gypos but , for a time, all musical instruments. the bear specialists converted to straight brigandry, adding to already formidable head count of thieves/brigands.
1937664;1569171358;mircea_popescu;aha.
1937665;1569171386;asciilifeform;iirc this is how bagpipe disappeared in ru.
1937666;1569171390;mircea_popescu;~same time london managed to give itself apprentice riots.
1937667;1569171403;mircea_popescu;twas a moment of renascentist reaction in the periphery
1937668;1569171498;asciilifeform;interesting , possibly, detail, the performers weren't entirely 'apolitical', tended to make light of the clergy/nobility , so nailed somewhat like mircea_popescu's moscopol & co.
1937669;1569171516;mircea_popescu;aha.
1937670;1569176462;BingoBoingo;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-22#1937567 << From one of the comment threads: "That's the real man ... PimP PimP hooray."
1937671;1569176462;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-22 13:03:01 mircea_popescu: hasn't actually read any of the links (nor do i intend to), so in theory this may be entirely baseless hatemongering on very comme il faut goodfolk who totally see the length of their nose.

1937672;1569177669;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-22#1937600 - will try.
1937673;1569177669;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-22 13:47:13 mircea_popescu: btw diana_coman you still feel like hungary ? have a cuppa this weekend ?
1937674;1569177700;BingoBoingo;The videoderp though is SO OUTRAGED!
1937675;1569178426;lobbes;gotta be outraged about something, and finally found a match with his standard issue outrage regexp
1937676;1569178552;BingoBoingo;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-22#1937556 << The derp's flaffing suggests he's one of the [http://trilema.com/2018/in-which-a-bizarre-character-wanks-it/][formerly redpill/PUA types] doing the now common loser turned Neo-Puritain moral crusader thing. For some reason he's fixated on mircea_popescu as a Jew of some sort.
1937677;1569178552;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-22 12:57:32 mircea_popescu: you should have seen that dork, he creeped up to us while we were watching some locals zumba and all schmoozey "what is this ?"
1937678;1569178945;BingoBoingo;Hard to tell if he's threatening to bother the police or something else: "Stefan Iulian Cojocnean Corect, Demian Daniela Anca . A reușit: https://adevarul.ro/.../video-femei-lesa.../index.html
1937679;1569178945;BingoBoingo; Dar a doua oară nu se va mai termina așa."
1937680;1569179305;BingoBoingo;lobbes: Is suspect less regexp and more envy. Derpy boy, not dry old woman.
1937681;1569179894;lobbes;aha possibly. envy it may be, esp. if previous 'pua derp'
1937682;1569180035;BingoBoingo;Anyways, derp's probably vulnerable to harrassment charges under Art 208 of the Romanian criminal code despite his obession with waving aroun Article 375 about "Infracțiuni contra ordinii și liniștii publice"
1937683;1569188258;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/09/kkkalifornia-pantsuitist-ed-buck-arrested-after-victim-escapes-lair/ << Qntra -- KKKalifornia Pantsuitist Ed Buck Arrested After Victim Escapes Lair
1937684;1569191477;mircea_popescu;o brother
1937685;1569191485;mircea_popescu;they just can't catch a quiet spell, can they
1937686;1569191740;BingoBoingo;They can't
1937687;1569191822;mircea_popescu;a well >D
1937688;1569191848;mircea_popescu;but at least he wasn't parading the niggers on a leash downtown, amirite ?
1937689;1569191900;BingoBoingo;LOL, of course he wasn't. What would the MULAS think!
1937690;1569195011;BingoBoingo;!Xbuy 127mn 31 1209 Wired Filthy Fiats, WU is fine but not preferred
1937691;1569195011;auctionbot;Buy order # 1060 created by BingoBoingo: 1209 Wired Filthy Fiats, WU is fine but not preferred Opening: 127mn ecu Ending: 2019-09-23 18:42:01.635784 UTC (30 hours)
1937692;1569199065;mod6;mircea_popescu: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=dtwG
1937693;1569199269;billymg;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-18#1937284 << left a response (just got back home a few hours ago)
1937694;1569199270;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-18 16:09:47 mircea_popescu: shall say what had in mind on man's blog

1937695;1569199352;billymg;and as a small update on [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-06-08#1917829][my] [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-06-26#1920209][plan] -- i'm in the process of securing a place in CR but got cold feet re: turning off the fiat spigot
1937696;1569199352;snsabot;Logged on 2019-06-08 17:23:02 billymg: in my current situation, there is not enough leftover energy for the tasks i'd like to be doing. this could be helped by transferring to a less demanding galley but my current thinking is to do my time, save resources, and then make it a clean break
1937697;1569199353;snsabot;Logged on 2019-06-26 14:48:55 billymg: so i'm planning to give my two weeks notice next week so i can focus on actual work. i'm also going to be looking for property on the other side of the wire
1937698;1569199727;billymg;in casual conversations with my boss it seemed like remote work might be an option, and although i don't think of that as a long term goal it could be useful in fueling the initial settling
1937699;1569199794;billymg;anyway, ima swing by diana_coman's castle since there seems to be a cr convoy thread building over there
1937700;1569208190;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-22#1937579 << okay, I've got a basic live demo running over in #trilema-lobbes. Here is the sample output: http://blog.ericbenevides.com/2019/09/trilema-lobbes-log-for-2019-09-23/
1937701;1569208190;ericbot;Logged on 2019-09-22 16:37:18 lobbes: With that out of the way it has been going smoothly, and I'm mainly making up for lost time now. It would seem I'm on track to hit my [http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/09/mp-wp-bot-work-plan-week-2/][deadline] though. I will probably have some demo output for mircea_popescu to look at by the end of the day
1937702;1569208194;lobbes;( for those that care, ip of my test blog above is 208.70.251.10 )
1937703;1569208211;lobbes;mircea_popescu: pls to let me know if you'd like the formatting tweaked. Both in terms of the textual output of log lines as well as the url format, and title format.
1937704;1569208220;lobbes;also, the code is currently designed for a single chan atm (which would be #trilema, of course). However, would you want multi-chan capability as part of the delivered final product?
1937705;1569208355;lobbes;I'm going to leave demo bot running in my monkey castle for the night, so folx are more than welcome to come and test it / try to break it.
1937706;1569208422;lobbes;incidentally, mircea_popescu with your permission I would like to bring the bot into #trilema during the next week for further testing (it wouldn't need voice; just needs to quietly sit in background). I'd like to see how it handles a heavier log-load
1937707;1569208454;lobbes;anyways, I'm off to write up workplan for week 3, and then bed
1937708;1569214309;feedbot;http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/09/mp-wp-bot-work-plan-week-3/ << lobbesblog -- mp-wp bot work plan: week 3
1937709;1569227800;mircea_popescu;dude it's such a pleasure, waking up to like THREE republican blog articles ; me shall get to it after breakfasts.
1937710;1569229802;bvt;hi. for me, the meatworld events mentioned in http://bvt-trace.net/2019/08/fg-fed-linux-rng-work-schedule/ are over, i am continuing active fg-kernel work
1937711;1569234171;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/what-amused-me-last-night-selected-romanian-ruralia/ << Trilema -- What amused me last night : selected romanian ruralia
1937712;1569235581;mircea_popescu;good for you bvt
1937713;1569235666;mircea_popescu;mod6, the machine hosting that keyset magically died earlier -- just as i was about to read your thing, imagine that. seems the mobo went, though tbh it's a little weird, will have it cut up later.
1937714;1569235698;mircea_popescu;anyway, will replace the system during this week ; if it's an emergency/not that important re-encrypt to mp_en_viaje ; if not i'll see then.
1937715;1569242195;mod6;mircea_popescu: oh no!  sorry to hear about the mobo.  not an emergency at all.  in a rush atm, will re-send later, no worries.  :]
1937716;1569245244;mircea_popescu;kk
1937717;1569248943;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how many yrs do you typically get out of those mobos ?
1937718;1569248961;mircea_popescu;this one died in five months.
1937719;1569249014;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if not a mega-seekrit , what was it ?
1937720;1569249025;mircea_popescu;gigabyte something
1937721;1569249131;asciilifeform;fwiw the 1 asciilifeform is sitting on just nao, is going on 14 yrs ( albeit [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1871][recapped] in '17 ) of 24/7 run
1937722;1569249224;asciilifeform;in other noose, ECC event on dulap. 'Corrected error, no action required.'
1937723;1569249239;*;asciilifeform sees these 1-2x/yr
1937724;1569249620;mircea_popescu;nfi, pretty weird. i have decade+ mobos too
1937725;1569249624;mircea_popescu;but certainly not this one.
1937726;1569249635;mircea_popescu;then again, this i bought a) recently and b) here
1937727;1569249660;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i fully expect that early 2000s mb's will do decade+ unless one hammers nails with'em
1937728;1569249682;mircea_popescu;kinda same.
1937729;1569249778;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: betcha it's a dead cap.
1937730;1569249789;mircea_popescu;likely
1937731;1569261122;asciilifeform;apropos historical : '90s workstations ( hp, sgi, even some crapples ) sometimes had mechanically-swappable vreg+caps modules.
1937732;1569261324;asciilifeform;[https://archive.is/SgRWt][typical example].
1937733;1569262657;mircea_popescu;then again, they totally needed them.
1937734;1569262758;asciilifeform;dunno, i have such things as sgi 'octane', dec 'alpha', from late '90s, that still run w/ orig. components
1937735;1569262784;mircea_popescu;plenty of horror stories from the early 90s, kinda similar to ye olde early-Ttank stories.
1937736;1569262808;asciilifeform;indeed; tho most of these feature konsoomer comps
1937737;1569262967;asciilifeform;the 'clock speed race' tempted vendors into cutting corners (i.e. 'new cpu 2x as hot but we'll use same room-temp-rated parts around it because Who Will Notice!11' )
1937738;1569263131;asciilifeform;components since '70s traditionally sold with 'temperature class' stamp : 'commercial' (saddest; 0-85C) ; 'industrial' (-40-100C) ; 'automobile' (-40-125C) ; 'military' (-55-125C, sometimes moar)
1937739;1569263284;asciilifeform;there are fine gradations inside the 'classes' also (chiefly degradation curves vs temp, e.g. in vreg , de-rated in re max tolerable voltage spike, or hrs of expected life, or both, at high temp ) , it's a quite gnarly biz
1937740;1569263866;mircea_popescu;aha.
1937741;1569264012;asciilifeform;ftr FG was made of 'commercial', to keep cost reasonable. tho i've selected random samples and cooled to -20 / heated to +60 ; passed tests. but item is ftr not made for use inside freezer or oven.
1937742;1569264133;asciilifeform;( primary headache with higher grades of part , is ~availability~, rather than cost per se (tends to be +10/+20%) -- if yer baking a small (less than 10,000) run, need 'cut-tape' purchase, which usually only exists in 'commercial' grade )
1937743;1569264223;asciilifeform;atm if you want a FG for use in mars probe -- gotta do it sovok-style, take 10 and test in the desired conditions , pick the champ.
1937744;1569264411;asciilifeform;( if fuel is not a concern, fly all 10 and xor'em!1111 -- in all seriousness, rng is perhaps the easiest part known to man where to implement redundancy )
1937745;1569266427;mircea_popescu;right.
1937746;1569266517;asciilifeform;interestingly, ye olde [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-01-15#1887306][stochastic logic] theoretically gives this for all gates.
1937747;1569266517;snsabot;Logged on 2019-01-15 12:35:38 asciilifeform: you represent the inputs ( any # of'em ) via stochasticizers, i.e. each 1 gets a comparator that eats N bits of rng and outputs a 1 if they represent integer <= the currently latched binary number, 0 otherwise.
1937748;1569275358;asciilifeform;in other noose, 'recent comments' box added to asciilifeform's www. ( phplogy exercise; but generally gaping hole, imho; nao filled. )
1937749;1569280842;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/09/us-warmongering-against-venezuela-erodes-post-wwii-inter-american-treaty/ << Qntra -- US Warmongering Against Venezuela Erodes Post WWII Inter-American Treaty
1937750;1569281399;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I'll be pushing out the overview of the real estate situation on the ground here Thursday.
1937751;1569284884;asciilifeform;* feedbot has quit (Quit: ...) >> spyked ?
1937752;1569284893;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: neato
1937753;1569285565;asciilifeform;!q uptime
1937754;1569285566;snsabot;asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 38d 11h 1m
1937755;1569285619;asciilifeform;^ replacement bot.py is ready, gotta actually cycle it in when folx asleep...
1937756;1569287118;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, pretty cool
1937757;1569287471;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, qntra piece brings a great point to the fore, incidentally : the usg managed to implode its colonial posessions / colonial "influence sphere" in the new world JUST EXACTLY like the soviets managed three decades prior.
1937758;1569287482;mircea_popescu;except THESE idiots have no "greater enemy" to "blame" for it.
1937759;1569287498;mircea_popescu;they did it by themselves, for themselves, ~through being themselves~. JUST LIKE the other idiots.
1937760;1569287517;mircea_popescu;just like all the other idiots ever, starting with every 4 year old. no, the chair isn't alive and didn't willingly trip you up.
1937761;1569288118;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: same as the brits did, neh. no one picked up an' walked way with india
1937762;1569292353;mircea_popescu;well, the brits being a laughingstock surprises nobody.
1937763;1569303657;spyked;asciilifeform, ty! bot's back on the line
1937764;1569306668;auctionbot;Buy order # 1060 has ENDED: No sale. Attn: BingoBoingo
1937765;1569317235;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, this recent comments thing is immensely helpfull, now i can follow wtf
1937766;1569331732;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/my-cacke-dough-is-bustin-at-the-trims/ << Trilema -- My cacke dough is bustin' at the trims.
1937767;1569339444;mod6;mircea_popescu: Ok Sir, just re-encypted to mp_en_viaje for ya; http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=wTRb
1937768;1569341566;asciilifeform;wb mod6 !
1937769;1569341635;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: normally i get ~0 comments for weeks on end on my www; then in 1 day half dozen, and remembered 'could actually keep track if had recent-comments...'
1937770;1569342106;mod6;hai asciilifeform :]
1937771;1569342113;mod6;just stopped in for a moment, shall bbl.
1937772;1569348350;mircea_popescu;mod6, http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=S14H
1937773;1569354380;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/09/church-of-england-takes-bold-stand-against-pointed-kitchen-knives/ << Qntra -- Church of England Takes BOLD Stand Against Pointed Kitchen Knives
1937774;1569354385;BingoBoingo;^ In Airstrip One continuing to dehumanize to maximize the number of human lives
1937775;1569354535;mircea_popescu;pretty lulzy shit. meanwhile dousing 12yos in gasoline pre-gangrape all halal still.
1937776;1569354674;BingoBoingo;Well, the gasoline's potential danger incentives submission on the part of the doused. The knife point's potential danger has contexts where it could promote resistance.
1937777;1569357421;mod6;mircea_popescu: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=QF_3  (for mp_en_viaje)
1937778;1569362668;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/09/nyse-parent-begins-trading-bitcoin-futures-introducing-new-volatility/ << Qntra -- NYSE Parent Begins Trading Bitcoin Futures Introducing New Volatility
1937779;1569369791;mircea_popescu;mod6, alrighty.
1937780;1569371125;billymg;http://billymg.com/2019/09/additional-tests-for-mp-wp-now-according-to-spec/comment-page-1/#comment-49 << mircea_popescu: i now see what you mean about the pingbacks supporting the extra selection parameters but i'm still not sure what is meant by "trashing the whole trilema trackback pile as extant, and having them re-done in the new manner"
1937781;1569371150;billymg;i did some reading on pingbacks vs trackbacks and it looks like we could remove trackbacks without anyone noticing (mp-wp supports pingbacks and that seems to be what everyone is using)
1937782;1569371166;billymg;i'm not sure if that's what you meant though
1937783;1569371323;billymg;or is the idea to rip out all unused pieces in xmlrpc (blogger, metaweblog, movabletype, etc...) and rewrite the pingback support keeping the select mechanism rather than layering it in after the fact?
1937784;1569371353;billymg;keeping the select mechanism in mind*
1937785;1569372130;mircea_popescu;billymg, the removal part is easy, just delete * from comments where trackback
1937786;1569372137;mircea_popescu;the resending is the issue
1937787;1569372280;mircea_popescu;every time a new article is posted, there's some subroutine that goes through all the links and sends the pingbacks. the idea is to hijack that so it re-does the entire db
1937788;1569374624;billymg;ah, so more of a one-time job/script?
1937789;1569375848;billymg;or, i guess i mean, could a migration script of sorts that's run once manually accomplish the same goal?
1937790;1569381831;billymg;mircea_popescu: i could be completely missing the point though, i'm still not very familiar with pingbacks outside of the small bit i've read since you mentioned it
1937791;1569399812;mircea_popescu;billymg, did you ever find the trilema article re how to re-do your missed pingbacks ?
1937792;1569404538;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, yup, was the cap.
1937793;1569404575;mircea_popescu;fucking chinesium, everything;s just a name now. "oh, gigabyte". really, sucker ? why not hagen daasz! ITS DANISH ICECREAM
1937794;1569404578;mircea_popescu;from fucking newark.
1937795;1569404752;diana_coman;it's gigglybit!
1937796;1569404785;mircea_popescu;it's a sadness.
1937797;1569404798;mircea_popescu;anyways. i will now review my wot in preparation for [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-22#1937525][deedbot updates]!
1937798;1569404799;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-22 05:14:26 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-21#1937508 << no, rating of 9 specifically, able to self-voice.
1937799;1569404854;mircea_popescu;!!rate asciilifeform 9 his lordship the lord admiral
1937800;1569404858;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=NhNj
1937801;1569404870;mircea_popescu;!!rate diana_coman 9 her ladyship the marquess eulora.
1937802;1569404871;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=QbmJ
1937803;1569404886;mircea_popescu;!!rate hanbot 9 her ladyship the lady falconeer.
1937804;1569404888;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=D__w
1937805;1569404900;mircea_popescu;hey, who knew, my little gimmick with the titles years ago makes this way the fuck easier now. win.
1937806;1569404926;mircea_popescu;!!rate mod6 9 his lordship the lord high steward.
1937807;1569404928;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=7lun
1937808;1569404961;mircea_popescu;!!rate BingoBoingo 9 his lordship the lord goebbels.
1937809;1569404962;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=TWsB
1937810;1569405001;mircea_popescu;!!rate Mocky 9 ἀποκρισιάριος دولة قطر‎
1937811;1569405002;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=0n8a
1937812;1569405259;mircea_popescu;!!rate ben_vulpes 1 used to be the Lord of the Well, but meanwhile http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934268
1937813;1569405260;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 21:37:26 trinque: bv wishes not to be raised, and I shan't press the issue further.
1937814;1569405261;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=uLQs
1937815;1569405297;mircea_popescu;i suppose another side effect of all this is that it turns 1 ratings into a sorta morgue.
1937816;1569405324;mircea_popescu;"mp, you can't negrate him, we can't sell to him if you do" "fuck. i don't wanna 0 it either, it'll disappear from the lists" "well..." "fuuuuck"
1937817;1569405354;mircea_popescu;what can you do.
1937818;1569405373;diana_coman;hm; why does 0 disappear from the lists though?
1937819;1569405378;diana_coman;isn't that the natural morgue?
1937820;1569405408;diana_coman;0 is not "no rating"
1937821;1569405438;mircea_popescu;!!rate phf 1 http://trilema.com/2019/trilema-goes-dark/#comment-130823
1937822;1569405440;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=IqaX
1937823;1569405448;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, traditionally setting it to 0 is how you unset it.
1937824;1569405477;mircea_popescu;i suppose, retrospectively, this is implementation of folly, there's no possible usecase for ACTUALLY ever unsetting a rating.
1937825;1569405480;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: yes, but not sure I see the point of "unset"; it's 0
1937826;1569405487;diana_coman;exactly.
1937827;1569405505;diana_coman;tbh it sounds a bit like discovering that 0 "exists", lol.
1937828;1569405510;mircea_popescu;this is so ; but for the sake of sanity im not gonna spec significant changes in the middle of implementing a differen tspec.
1937829;1569405517;mircea_popescu;it does at that.
1937830;1569405522;diana_coman;aite.
1937831;1569405524;mircea_popescu;we'll get to this later, i say.
1937832;1569405619;mircea_popescu;it's philosophically fraught, because as per [http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/][the spec] a rating of 0 should convey that the rater deems he can answer NO questions about the ratee. in which case... why is it a rating.
1937833;1569405644;mircea_popescu;of course, this could readily also bear the alternative interepretation of "there is nothing the rater WISHES TO SAY".
1937834;1569405670;mircea_popescu;we can mull it over till april.
1937835;1569405693;mircea_popescu;!!rate trinque 9 his lordship the master of the rolls.
1937836;1569405695;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=XXR3
1937837;1569405708;mircea_popescu;!!rate ave1 9 his lordship the lord logiciel
1937838;1569405710;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=2TJi
1937839;1569405730;mircea_popescu;!!rate lobbes 9 his lordship the lord of the auction house
1937840;1569405732;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=ECNn
1937841;1569405757;mircea_popescu;there lolz, now you don't have to regret etcetera keks
1937842;1569405863;mircea_popescu;it'll benefit the nooblets immensely if they seriously spend some time groking the "[http://trilema.com/2013/youre-gonna-have-to-learn-that-variety-speak/#footnote_15_51632][turn]" thing. there's a time for everything ; and for most things that time isn't NOW.
1937843;1569405890;mircea_popescu;!!rate spyked 9 his lordship the lord crypto-alchemist
1937844;1569405891;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=Oz06
1937845;1569405927;mircea_popescu;!!rate billymg 2 promising noob
1937846;1569405928;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=14t_
1937847;1569405956;mircea_popescu;!!rate mp_en_viaje 9 my travel key.
1937848;1569405957;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=mtpi
1937849;1569405993;mircea_popescu;!!rate nicoleci 2 slavegirl
1937850;1569405995;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=3obS
1937851;1569406062;mircea_popescu;ah, that wasn't even all that painful in the end.
1937852;1569406370;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: is there some eta/requirement on/for the castle-licensing thing? on my part I'm fine with it as stated.
1937853;1569406424;mircea_popescu;nah was gonna do them next.
1937854;1569407262;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1937779 - I think this is quite exactly what 0 rating means, yes.
1937855;1569407262;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 07:01:56 mircea_popescu: of course, this could readily also bear the alternative interepretation of "there is nothing the rater WISHES TO SAY".
1937856;1569407305;mircea_popescu;the problem with this is that people wish to say different things in different contexts.
1937857;1569407319;mircea_popescu;the converse is folly, "oh, girl doesn't show her cunt". of course she does. just, maybe not to you.
1937858;1569407538;diana_coman;hm; rather: 0 = there is history of interaction but there is nothing to say of the person currently (dead @ the morgue, precisely); onth no rating means no history whatsoever.
1937859;1569407578;diana_coman;so yes, nothing the rater can/wishes to say of the current "person"; still, they can/wish to say something of the past-identity if one asks
1937860;1569407652;mircea_popescu;incidentally asciilifeform scores on his choice of epithet. amir-al-bahr used to be "commander of the fleet", but the dwellers in the lower part of the kingdom of two sicilies (a byzantine remnant) thought it's rather something else.
1937861;1569408230;mircea_popescu;!!deed http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=7IqJ
1937862;1569408234;deedbot;accepted: 1
1937863;1569408251;mircea_popescu;!!deed http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=cuVS
1937864;1569408254;deedbot;accepted: 1
1937865;1569408285;mircea_popescu;!!deed http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=YaNz
1937866;1569408289;deedbot;accepted: 1
1937867;1569408398;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in other luzl, check out diana_coman [http://bimbo.club/2019/09/landscape-with-the-fall-of-icarus/#comments][being a prophet in her own country]
1937868;1569408407;diana_coman;heh, /me likes asciilifeform's dominus admirabilis
1937869;1569408526;diana_coman;lol! that is probably among the easiest thing to prophesize, esp in land of shepherds
1937870;1569408580;mircea_popescu;ikr,
1937871;1569408645;mircea_popescu;well... considering that i've been doing nothing all morning but fuck qwith cryptosystems, perhaps it could be said i've earned a breakfast.
1937872;1569408649;mircea_popescu;bbs!
1937873;1569408654;diana_coman;enjoy!
1937874;1569410118;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/bundle-596500.txt
1937875;1569410556;bvt;mircea_popescu: i.e., in this context my rating remains +2, hence no self-voice in #trilema?
1937876;1569411145;mircea_popescu;this is a problem innit.
1937877;1569411297;mircea_popescu;not even just for bvt, also say nicoleci
1937878;1569411449;mircea_popescu;i suppose the only workable solution here is indeed to admit http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-22#1937525 was actually ill-considered. yes 9 specifically might mean lordship, but that's not === selfvoice.
1937879;1569411450;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-22 05:14:26 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-21#1937508 << no, rating of 9 specifically, able to self-voice.
1937880;1569411478;mircea_popescu;so check this out trinque i changed my mind! http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-21#1937508 << rating < 1, actually.
1937881;1569411479;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-21 23:53:50 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-20#1937433 << should be very easy, i.e. wrapped this weekend or next. to confirm, same rules as deedbot : nonzero rating -> able to self-voice?
1937882;1569411497;mircea_popescu;damn, rating > 1. so 2 trhough 10 inclusive.
1937883;1569411571;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: isn't bvt lord verschlimmbessert?
1937884;1569411634;mircea_popescu;wtf happened here
1937885;1569411754;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: I think this issue with self-voice vs lordship comes from #trilema being both republican halls (ie lords discussion) and your own training halls (hence nicoleci's problem to self-voice if only-9 can do it);
1937886;1569411794;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2019/antiqua-sanctorum-patrum-or-the-lordship-list-sixth-year/ << he certainly is. nfi, what happened was i went by my ratings ; but his wasn't updated since february.
1937887;1569411815;mircea_popescu;i suspect the issue was, didn't update his rating then because traveling or w/e, and look the havok it wrought downstream.
1937888;1569411822;mircea_popescu;srory bvt , clerical error.
1937889;1569411868;mircea_popescu;!!rate bvt 9 his lordship the lord verschlimmbessert
1937890;1569411870;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=AoSf
1937891;1569411884;mircea_popescu;!!rate nicoleci 2 i own her
1937892;1569411885;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=sHqU
1937893;1569411900;mircea_popescu;that'll be a doozy to translate to latin when he asks for his castle deed huh!
1937894;1569411900;bvt;yes, this is what i was talking about, ty.
1937895;1569411930;mircea_popescu;okies, did i fuck anything up ? since i'm right here at the instruments and can readily fix it.
1937896;1569411968;diana_coman;I was just going/checking through the list and it seems everyone on the list got their 9 rating
1937897;1569411975;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, that's it exactly, im also running a slutteria here among other things
1937898;1569412122;diana_coman;for that matter, travel keys won't be able to self-voice but I don't see a real problem with that.
1937899;1569412175;mircea_popescu;mine is lol
1937900;1569412184;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: doh; lol.
1937901;1569412199;mircea_popescu;though i see a problem now : i rated it 9.
1937902;1569412203;diana_coman;but no, I wouldn't ask to have my travel key 9-rated.
1937903;1569412222;mircea_popescu;!!rate mp_en_viaje 2 my travel key.
1937904;1569412224;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=od2c
1937905;1569412235;mircea_popescu;who else wants travel keys tehn ?
1937906;1569412251;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: mine is diana_alt
1937907;1569412264;diana_coman;!!key diana_alt
1937908;1569412266;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/40AA4323AC0CC4F1888C529D37F970EA7BE9160A.asc
1937909;1569412285;mircea_popescu;!!rate diana_alt 2 http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1937852
1937910;1569412285;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 08:36:17 diana_coman: mircea_popescu: mine is diana_alt
1937911;1569412286;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=jtcj
1937912;1569412294;hanbot;!!key hanbot_abroad
1937913;1569412295;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/21407B3B5FB85C255DBFE463615BE7B45FE6A04F.asc
1937914;1569412300;hanbot;^mircea_popescu
1937915;1569412331;mircea_popescu;!!rate hanbot_abroad 2 http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1937858
1937916;1569412331;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 08:37:00 hanbot: !!key hanbot_abroad
1937917;1569412333;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=ORFQ
1937918;1569412481;mircea_popescu;aaalrighty, that's done.
1937919;1569412660;hanbot;tyvm
1937920;1569419140;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in wikilulz, "She had permanently got actively involved in the society through institutional, civic and mediatic journals regarding philosophy, political science and the process of democratization in Romania."
1937921;1569419952;mircea_popescu;anyway, vaguely interesting orc couple. he ([https://adrianmiroiu.wordpress.com/about/][adrian]), minor philosophist wanna-be, writing twice a decade minuscule nothings ("what is not existence", 1994). she, mirela, doing ~exactly~ nothing. both born in the periphery, mid 50s, exactly another inginer-profesoara couple like so very many at the time.
1937922;1569419952;mircea_popescu;except, of course, he's briefly director of the us influence publishing house, in 1990. then he disappears, with the purging of usgistanis in 1991.
1937923;1569419952;mircea_popescu;then... she reappears. in 1998 he's annointed secretary of state, out of strictly nowhere ; she gets the political science deanship at the bucharest university, also out of nowhere. and from there, beautiful http://trilema.com/2017/in-case-you-were-wondering-where-all-the-worthless-nuland-drones-ended-up/ careers in the delightful wooden tongue of the new socialism : "In 2000, she instituted the first postdoctoral programm
1937924;1569419956;mircea_popescu;e of Political Science in Romania at Faculty of Political Science, National School of Political Studies and Public Administration, Bucharest. She added in the university curricula courses like feminist philosophy at the University of Bucharest, Faculty of Philosophy. In 2001, she had coordinated and the first collection of Gender Studies, Polirom Publishing. Moreover, her involvement developed the Political Science Curricu
1937925;1569419961;mircea_popescu;la in accordance to the Bologna Programme, being a member of the evaluation commission in 1997.
1937926;1569419963;mircea_popescu;She founded the country's first gender studies Master's program in 1998, and helped to organize one of its earliest independent women's nongovernmental organizations: AnA –The Romanian Society for Feminist Analyses. She is an expert advisor to both UNESCO and the European Union, and has won international fellowships at Cornell University, Oxford University and the Central European University in Budapest. She was also a F
1937927;1569419968;mircea_popescu;ulbright recipient and was resident in the Department of Political Science at Indiana University in 2003–2004. "
1937928;1569419971;mircea_popescu;and so ongoing -- in case you were wondering why bologna is such lulz, or why feminism is [http://trilema.com/2016/a-quick-word-on-feminism/][such a nothing], or so forth. all a concoction of convenience ; we enslaved all their good spies back in 1992, and well... all that's left is all that's left, a different flavour of [http://trilema.com/2011/serviciul-nemuririi-partea-i/#comment-131551][institutionalized womanhood] /
1937929;1569419978;mircea_popescu;[http://trilema.com/2014/caged-tit/][caged tit].
1937930;1569419980;mircea_popescu;went as far as it could, but as you might notice, dude's blog's as abandoned as this whole 2000s lulz.
1937931;1569421191;*;asciilifeform eats log...
1937932;1569421246;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1937738 << i admit, not yet seen one since '90s where it wasn't the cap
1937933;1569421247;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 06:27:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, yup, was the cap.
1937934;1569421291;asciilifeform;it's come to where it almost makes sense to recap'em ~straight out of crate~
1937935;1569421434;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1937828 << outta curiosity, why not let the +1 people speak if they wake up ? ( or is idea that returns from grave oughta go straight to castles )
1937936;1569421435;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 08:23:44 mircea_popescu: damn, rating > 1. so 2 trhough 10 inclusive.
1937937;1569421682;*;asciilifeform bbl,teatime
1937938;1569423776;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, cuz im not that interested.
1937939;1569423802;mircea_popescu;apparently there's need for a not-negative, nonzero number. 1 has been coopted.
1937940;1569423818;mircea_popescu;in practical terms makes exactly 0 diff if you 1-rate or 2-rate noobs. plenty of space to 9.
1937941;1569425392;asciilifeform;graveyard orbit eh.
1937942;1569425467;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1937874 << seems like the termites they sent, work approx as well as spies ever did
1937943;1569425467;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 10:44:58 mircea_popescu: and so ongoing -- in case you were wondering why bologna is such lulz, or why feminism is [http://trilema.com/2016/a-quick-word-on-feminism/][such a nothing], or so forth. all a concoction of convenience ; we enslaved all their good spies back in 1992, and well... all that's left is all that's left, a different flavour of [http://trilema.com/2011/serviciul-nemuririi-partea-i/#comment-131551][institutionalized w
1937944;1569426525;mircea_popescu;how the fuck well are they gonna work. good spies believe in something.
1937945;1569426602;mircea_popescu;the cult of superficial convenience is incapable of producing good spies much like it's incapable of producing artistic capodopera , or industry masterpieces.
1937946;1569426638;mircea_popescu;what they produce is garbage -- and on a "fair terms" comparison, i truly do not believe anyone can outdo socialism's per-capita, per-unit time, per-unit consumed or per-anything else garbage production.
1937947;1569426701;mircea_popescu;much like matter-antimatter reaction's the most intense energy debit known to nature, "representative democracy" is the most intense garbage debit possible in society.
1937948;1569428608;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: these new 'spies' aint tryin to bring back seekritz, but instead simply spread rot, a sort of bipedal smallpox blanket. seems to work
1937949;1569428938;diana_coman;asciilifeform: that's...spores, not spies?
1937950;1569428949;asciilifeform;diana_coman: aha
1937951;1569428981;asciilifeform;aka вредители.
1937952;1569429069;mircea_popescu;keks. spores, aplty put.
1937953;1569429100;mircea_popescu;anyway, the smallpox is necessary ; the orcs left undisturbed turn into fucking scotts.
1937954;1569429352;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in world of chinesium : 'lichee' co. is selling a 2.5x3cm arm7 w/ 32MB on-chip an' various periphs , for 7 $ in qty .
1937955;1569429483;asciilifeform;with the modest ram, not a rk competitor, but potentially useful for other applications ( has 3 serial ports, so can eat FG ) ; runs 'pogo'-style linux, so can stuff even classic gpg in ; can have nic plug attached, so potentially even host small net proggies ; pulls coupla milliwatt, so could work in radio relays or similar.
1937956;1569429579;asciilifeform;[https://archive.is/ahl7K/332586ba2a3f9f4a7345b11290f2b1e1fa091cbe.png][subj photo].
1937957;1569429812;asciilifeform;+ [https://archive.is/adPby/e812d1e9867f0886d88515833338e6d7c18d973a.png][pinout] .
1937958;1569431629;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1937867 >> 'Director, National Socrates Agency, Romania; 1995 – 1997' << lol, yet another 'nsa' i had nfi about!111
1937959;1569431630;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 10:44:39 mircea_popescu: anyway, vaguely interesting orc couple. he ([https://adrianmiroiu.wordpress.com/about/][adrian]), minor philosophist wanna-be, writing twice a decade minuscule nothings ("what is not existence", 1994). she, mirela, doing ~exactly~ nothing. both born in the periphery, mid 50s, exactly another inginer-profesoara couple like so very many at the time.
1937960;1569433499;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in castles, 1 of diana_coman's students has some imho [http://63.80.184.72/blog/conspiracy_theories.html][some] notbad [http://63.80.184.72/blog/the_argentinian.html][pieces] on his www.
1937961;1569434148;asciilifeform;seems to have [http://63.80.184.72/blog/apolitical_technology.html][grasped various points] as he lurked.
1937962;1569434227;asciilifeform;and [http://63.80.184.72/blog/thortron.html][a++ z80] !
1937963;1569435071;mircea_popescu;could use more reading. eg : "How can, for example a compiler be in any way even remotely political?" >> http://trilema.com/2015/the-downtrodden-are-downtrodden-for-a-reason-step-on-their-faces/ specifically discusses it.
1937964;1569435124;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/09/systemds-poettering-wants-to-break-linux-user-management-to-suspend-his-laptop/ << Qntra -- SystemD's Poettering Wants To Break Linux User Management To Suspend His Laptop
1937965;1569435158;mircea_popescu;moreover, functional technology (as epitomized by [http://trilema.com/2012/bitcoin-and-the-poor/?b=all%20sorts&e=exists#select][Bitcoin]) is definitionally, necessarily and unavoidably anti-socialist. so much so that reliably one can use the reverse heuristic : if something doesn't shit on the needy, doesn't it make it harder for the stupid and more expensive for the poor, that something is most likely shit, not technology
1937966;1569435158;mircea_popescu;, nor science, nor good law, nor anything but.
1937967;1569435258;mircea_popescu;so yes, there's ~IMPLICIT~ policy in [trilema.com/2017/is-it-still-rape-if-i-write-science-on-my-penis-first/][intellectual stance] : if you're smart, you're here ; if you're not here, you're ~THEREFORE~ dumb. and so following.
1937968;1569435301;mircea_popescu;anyways ; the name sounds familiar
1937969;1569435353;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2017-04-02#1635956 << defo
1937970;1569435353;snsabot;Logged on 2017-04-02 11:49:48 jhvh1: Hello thorntron. Who is your daddy and what does he do?
1937971;1569435357;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc he was at some pt 'tomservo'
1937972;1569435363;mircea_popescu;oh is it ?
1937973;1569435383;mircea_popescu;well anyways
1937974;1569435419;asciilifeform;electronics fella. meanwhile went an' learned greek.
1937975;1569435437;mircea_popescu;nb,
1937976;1569435477;asciilifeform;for the l0gz: 'Years ago, a “technical” decision was made by a core gcc developer named Drepper to break static linking. This means that no useful binaries can ever execute on Linux without dynamically linking to certain libraries making the proposition of distributing signed binaries futile, making the proposition of secure software futile, making the proposition of Bitcoin futile, making the proposition of sound money futile, m
1937977;1569435477;asciilifeform;aking the proposition of free trade futile. Whether or not Drepper is aware of the political implications of the of his technical decision is irrelevant to the fact of their existance. Nevertheless, there is a belief by technologists “educated” at ITT and the public equivilants that software can exist outside of politics. As a result the US has a legal system that runs on Word, a financial system that runs on Excel, and a voting
1937978;1569435480;asciilifeform;system that runs on Windows.'
1937979;1569435493;asciilifeform;imho notbad schoolb00k summary.
1937980;1569435742;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1937913 << btw these need the 'htt...' for the parser to fire
1937981;1569435743;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 14:59:46 mircea_popescu: so yes, there's ~IMPLICIT~ policy in [trilema.com/2017/is-it-still-rape-if-i-write-science-on-my-penis-first/][intellectual stance] : if you're smart, you're here ; if you're not here, you're ~THEREFORE~ dumb. and so following.
1937982;1569435772;*;asciilifeform considered how to get 'naked' links to work, but concluded that it's prolly undecidable
1937983;1569435816;asciilifeform;could, naturally, force ~any~ text found in the 1st clause of a [][] pair to linkify, but will give yet entirely diff flavour of brokenness in other cases
1937984;1569436235;asciilifeform;incidentally, if anyone can think of a cleaner way to parse the 2 types of link ( [][] and naked htt.. ) than what's given in asciilifeform's reader.py , i'd like to hear about it. ( presently there's a quite ugly 2-step transform, as apparently it is impossible to regexp-transmute a grammar w/ 2+ patterns in 1 step )
1937985;1569436354;asciilifeform;the [http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=Hi39][current algo, for thread-completeness.]
1937986;1569436896;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1937909 - that's precisely the sort of tasks he got because yes, needs to do more reading and to do *better* reading; by the looks of it the US doesn't teach people how to read, somehow, it's rather unbelievable.
1937987;1569436896;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 15:12:25 mircea_popescu: could use more reading. eg : "How can, for example a compiler be in any way even remotely political?" >> http://trilema.com/2015/the-downtrodden-are-downtrodden-for-a-reason-step-on-their-faces/ specifically discusses it.
1937988;1569441234;asciilifeform;achtung panzers! piz pipe down ?!
1937989;1569441246;diana_coman;seems so
1937990;1569441283;asciilifeform;paging BingoBoingo !
1937991;1569441300;diana_coman;well, apparetly he was connected from piz too, lol
1937992;1569441308;diana_coman;ossasepia.com (pizarro) is down too, yes
1937993;1569441336;asciilifeform;dulap unreachable for 1st time since year+ ago when bb elbowed the mains cord
1937994;1569441399;diana_coman;apparently back on
1937995;1569441405;diana_coman;wb BingoBoingo !
1937996;1569441591;diana_coman;asciilifeform: did the bot get out of sync now ?
1937997;1569441596;asciilifeform;snsabot re synced via diana_coman : http://logs.ossasepia.com/log-raw/trilema?istart=1937934&iend=1937941
1937998;1569441600;asciilifeform;let's verify:
1937999;1569441617;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1937944 http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1937944
1938000;1569441617;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 17:01:14 asciilifeform: let's verify:
1938001;1569441617;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 16:45:28 asciilifeform: let's verify:
1938002;1569441655;asciilifeform;no one spoke on other chans , and i turned the crank in time. but we're gonna want to automate these.
1938003;1569441686;asciilifeform;pretty interesting outage, too, net pipe gone for 3min or so (boxes still up, so not mains failure)
1938004;1569441738;diana_coman;asciilifeform: fwiw I was keeping a bit mum precisely to give you time to sync bot when I saw it went down first; then ofc everyone @piz went down
1938005;1569441786;asciilifeform;diana_coman: loox like i'ma have to resync in #o tho.
1938006;1569441805;asciilifeform;would be good if didn't have to be done w/ bare teeth, but i'ma do, brb
1938007;1569441815;diana_coman;and yes, have to [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-01#1932968][automate sync]
1938008;1569441815;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-01 15:54:49 diana_coman: well, syncing indices is gotta be automated not manual hunting though
1938009;1569442037;asciilifeform;diana_coman: pretty strange, seems that they fell outta sync ~before~ this outage ?!
1938010;1569442074;asciilifeform;see e.g. http://logs.ossasepia.com/log-raw/ossasepia?istart=1003800&iend=1003942 vs http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log-raw/ossasepia?istart=1003800&iend=1003942
1938011;1569442098;diana_coman;ugh; is that the first out of sync line?
1938012;1569442146;asciilifeform;diana_coman: yours is missing a line somewhere >day ago
1938013;1569442176;diana_coman;ugh
1938014;1569442273;asciilifeform;snsabot dun appear to have missed any lines in #o during the mystery-outage
1938015;1569442312;diana_coman;looking in my local log, there was no talk in #o between snsabot out/in
1938016;1569442318;asciilifeform;correct
1938017;1569442345;asciilifeform;diana_coman: iirc you had a student write a db differ ? is this posted ? could then find why yours is missing 1ln
1938018;1569442444;diana_coman;yes, it's at http://s.ragavan.co/2019/09/bash-scripting-to-compare-the-ossasepia-logs/
1938019;1569442514;asciilifeform;mine appears to be 100% current ( haven't seen re lobbes's yet ) , diana_coman invited to pipe from there.
1938020;1569442575;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: plox to make inquiry at piz house , see if they have an answer re dafuq , e.g. 'today we vacuumed the switch'
1938021;1569442918;asciilifeform;wb BingoBoingo
1938022;1569442928;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: When was the event in question?
1938023;1569442968;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: roughly 10min ago
1938024;1569443039;asciilifeform;moar precisely, tho,   Sep 25 15:52:30 *       snsabot has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) << from asciilifeform's local (new york time) log
1938025;1569443070;asciilifeform;asciilifeform noticed ~2m after
1938026;1569443101;asciilifeform;Sep 25 15:56:32 *       trinque (~undata@unaffiliated/undata) has joined #trilema << marks end of outage.
1938027;1569443104;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Is there any clock drift on the machine that logged that?
1938028;1569443132;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: nope, this is from a box asciilifeform physically sat on, gets reclocked regularly
1938029;1569443183;asciilifeform;outage was ~4min long. asciilifeform did not even lose his shells. (tho was long enuff for fleanode)
1938030;1569443231;asciilifeform;i.e. defo not a mains current outage.
1938031;1569443262;diana_coman;asciilifeform, BingoBoingo fwiw smg servers did not reset so certainly not overall mains outage
1938032;1569443277;BingoBoingo;Definitely no mains outage happened
1938033;1569443353;asciilifeform;diana_coman: aha, dulap likewise not reset
1938034;1569443379;asciilifeform;the likely thing is that someone somewhere physically moved a plug.
1938035;1569443424;asciilifeform;( when asciilifeform was a sysop, never took 4 whole min to move a live cable. but whoknows, orcs )
1938036;1569443571;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Will take a look and send a note.
1938037;1569443577;asciilifeform;ty BingoBoingo
1938038;1569443607;asciilifeform;fwiw it's possible that the 'hm, i'ma unplug, then go smoke, and then plug in' took place upstream of piz.
1938039;1569444585;mircea_popescu;o look, linux being reclaimed already
1938040;1569444717;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1937926 << yeh my bad.
1938041;1569444718;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 15:07:50 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1937913 << btw these need the 'htt...' for the parser to fire
1938042;1569444780;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1937932 << i suspect it's quite deliberately systematic, actually.
1938043;1569444780;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 15:27:04 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1937909 - that's precisely the sort of tasks he got because yes, needs to do more reading and to do *better* reading; by the looks of it the US doesn't teach people how to read, somehow, it's rather unbelievable.
1938044;1569444781;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 15:12:25 mircea_popescu: could use more reading. eg : "How can, for example a compiler be in any way even remotely political?" >> http://trilema.com/2015/the-downtrodden-are-downtrodden-for-a-reason-step-on-their-faces/ specifically discusses it.
1938045;1569444859;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the way i read it, he starts with rhetorical 'but how could be political' then proceeds to show entirely edible concrete example
1938046;1569444912;asciilifeform;i.e. demonstrates that understands answer is 'yes, noshit'
1938047;1569444961;asciilifeform;( or did mircea_popescu divide by 0 an' crash before got to that part..? )
1938048;1569444966;*;asciilifeform brb,teatime
1938049;1569444979;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, on reread yes, i see it.
1938050;1569445080;mircea_popescu;did not crash, but i do parse.
1938051;1569445084;diana_coman;on the other hand, since he's been apparently slaving away in web-shitstack & python for ages, he'll have a stab at the [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-19#1937305][multi network bridging] thing; we'll see if he cuts or breaks his teeth on it
1938052;1569445084;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-19 05:39:18 mircea_popescu: speaking of which, an' considering we're apparently stuck with a buncha [https://archive.is/0yRis][chris]es over here : any of your resident knights capable of registering a chan on ~any other network~ and writing the bridge code on top of extant bot already ?
1938053;1569445250;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1937949 << funny, i had been describing this sorta issue for a while ?
1938054;1569445251;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 16:46:54 asciilifeform: pretty interesting outage, too, net pipe gone for 3min or so (boxes still up, so not mains failure)
1938055;1569446960;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: yours was specific to dulap ( where phuctor db was being walked just as mircea_popescu happened to load ) , recall that other boxen were unaffected
1938056;1569446971;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this 1 was a piz-wide outage.
1938057;1569446995;asciilifeform;i recall 1 previous similar, ~30sec long, last yr
1938058;1569447127;mircea_popescu;still could benefit from more reading. "hoi polloi" for instance is a syntagma with great english history.
1938059;1569447145;asciilifeform;picture is consistent with 'monkey unplugged then went to smoke', i.e. 100% packet loss for ~4m.
1938060;1569447152;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, hm, perhaps so.
1938061;1569447168;asciilifeform;wb hanbot
1938062;1569447194;hanbot;howdy
1938063;1569447603;*;asciilifeform bbl:meat
1938064;1569448545;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1937958 - damn it, made me write a bash+awk to fish it out ffs, line 1001471
1938065;1569448546;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 17:10:20 asciilifeform: diana_coman: yours is missing a line somewhere >day ago
1938066;1569450520;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1937788 << /me goes to re-read said article
1938067;1569450521;ericbot;Logged on 2019-09-25 10:05:45 mircea_popescu: it'll benefit the nooblets immensely if they seriously spend some time groking the "[http://trilema.com/2013/youre-gonna-have-to-learn-that-variety-speak/#footnote_15_51632][turn]" thing. there's a time for everything ; and for most things that time isn't NOW.
1938068;1569450615;lobbes;our three loggers seem to be in-sync w/re: to #t: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1937944 http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1937944
1938069;1569450615;ericbot;Logged on 2019-09-25 20:01:23 asciilifeform: let's verify:
1938070;1569450615;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 16:45:28 asciilifeform: let's verify:
1938071;1569451394;mircea_popescu;pretty cool.
1938072;1569452846;asciilifeform;oh hey neato
1938073;1569452889;asciilifeform;diana_coman: plz consider to put said bash+awk in 'contrib' dir of vtree
1938074;1569453132;asciilifeform;lobbes: i relit mine via curl "http://logs.ossasepia.com/log-raw/trilema?istart=1937934&iend=1937941" > foo; ./eat_dump.py foo trilema 3
1938075;1569453200;asciilifeform;( granted this only worx if there's no conflicting tail, i.e. you get to the console just in time. failing that, (presently) gotta drop the conflicting tail in db before snarfing )
1938076;1569453404;asciilifeform;was thinking re how oughta do auto-syncs. one possible method, is for bot to take command via pm, e.g. !q sync 1000 http://logs.ossasepia.com ; would then walk last N (here, 1000) ln, and offer 'identical', 'diverges prior', or 'diverges at I', I is index, and offer alignment, operator (set in config who) can then confirm or reject
1938077;1569453462;asciilifeform;if choose 'confirm' then eats all changes req'd to get to 'identical' .
1938078;1569453503;asciilifeform;another method would be that periodically tests against loggers given in config, and pm's operator if and only if finds divergence.
1938079;1569453657;lobbes;in general auto-sync would be nifty. but just like the manual method, would need to wait until "dead time" to prevent new lines appearing during the sync wouldn't it?
1938080;1569453672;lobbes;or perhaps I'm missing something
1938081;1569453674;asciilifeform;lobbes: not if it knows how to drop the broken tail
1938082;1569453701;asciilifeform;lobbes: 'tail' here being whatever lines come after the gap, and thereby have erroneous index #s
1938083;1569453712;lobbes;ah okay. that makes sense
1938084;1569453745;asciilifeform;currently this is a gnarly manually-cranked process, as ./eat_dump.py deliberately is made so ~not~ to import any line that conflicts with existing index
1938085;1569453768;asciilifeform;( could of course add a cmdline param to it, to enable overwrite )
1938086;1569453834;asciilifeform;thing is -- imho it is poor practice to blindly pick another logger and overwrite massive chunk of own db with it w/out mechanically testing that they diverge strictly in favour of the other
1938087;1569453849;asciilifeform;otherwise you could easily end up importing the other logger's hole vs yours
1938088;1569453895;asciilifeform;so far all the gaps have been small enuff to visually examine, but this will not necessarily remain the case
1938089;1569453984;asciilifeform;mechanical diffing, meanwhile, is tricky because ordering is already known to differ ( almost guaranteed to differ when bots are speaking, one's own bot's output ~always~ enters log before that of other bots ; but also can differ elsewhere on acct of fleanode weather )
1938090;1569454018;lobbes;hmm this makes me rethink my current design re: mp-wp bot as well. As it stands, there is no way to "re-sync" since it just spits the lines into a blog post.
1938091;1569454021;asciilifeform;hence why imho resync ~must~ be a semi-automatic, rather than automatic, process.
1938092;1569454084;asciilifeform;lobbes: it's 1 of the reasons why asciilifeform did not like mircea_popescu's original tip re how to bake logger ('just pipe it into a wp') ; but mircea_popescu did specifically ask for 1 that does exactly that, for own www, i presume he knows what he's doing
1938093;1569454160;lobbes;yeah, I'll guess I'll let the man speak to if he wants sync capabilities in the mp-wp-tronic branch
1938094;1569454318;asciilifeform;lobbes: as i understand, with that type of logger you'd have to regen all of the pages that include or follow the gap, in order to close a filled gap.
1938095;1569454384;asciilifeform;( and to do it very quickly, else someone could easily speak during the regen, and leave you unsynced again )
1938096;1569454555;lobbes;indeed. Would just be a buncha "update" statements that fill in the proper lines. As it currently is designed, I have it spitting lines into a flat file first, and that file is used to update the "current day's log" post as new lines are seen
1938097;1569454607;lobbes;in theory, could index the lines in that file, so as to preserve ordering, as well as keep more than one file (currently, this one file is overwritten on each new day)
1938098;1569454620;lobbes;but idk, perhaps this is more complex than MP wants it to be
1938099;1569455321;asciilifeform;lobbes: see what mircea_popescu says when wakes up.
1938100;1569455525;asciilifeform;imho a logger that can't resync at all, aint much of a logger. but at the same time i dun see why a generate-statics logger couldn't be made to resync. simply a bit moar complicated.
1938101;1569455583;asciilifeform;it'd be a 1st class bitch to resync ~from~, however. but fortunately we have other types of loggers that know how to emit lines x..y for given x/y
1938102;1569459006;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1938022 << emerging sync language from the fact we use bots, rather than not. mindblowing.
1938103;1569459007;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 20:02:13 asciilifeform: was thinking re how oughta do auto-syncs. one possible method, is for bot to take command via pm, e.g. !q sync 1000 http://logs.ossasepia.com ; would then walk last N (here, 1000) ln, and offer 'identical', 'diverges prior', or 'diverges at I', I is index, and offer alignment, operator (set in config who) can then confirm or reject
1938104;1569459090;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1938036 << nor do you give a shit, seeing how the lines aren't indexed.
1938105;1569459091;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 20:12:27 lobbes: hmm this makes me rethink my current design re: mp-wp bot as well. As it stands, there is no way to "re-sync" since it just spits the lines into a blog post.
1938106;1569459145;mircea_popescu;loggers as extant suffer from being built manalone style, from scratch, as such the only possible in-page selection is an ad-hoc (but very functional, as it happens) by-line.
1938107;1569459173;mircea_popescu;whereas on trilema you have the whole power of the mp-wp selectylanguage at your disposals, you don't need the line numbers because you can just select w/e actually interests you
1938108;1569459267;mircea_popescu;this whole pile is however a massive lesson in evolution-vs-design thematics & tropes ; that "the function creates the organ" is musky throughout ; the blogger's retrospect ("had i not done x it'd never have occured to me to do y") omnipresent ; and so following.
1938109;1569459387;mircea_popescu;consider both the positive (no convergence language'd ever have emerged out of "oh, phf did excellent job with logger") and the negative (without "we have these loggers, how do we sync them" nobody'd have ever understood why mp-wp is a better display mechanism than "this shit i just brewed").
1938110;1569459889;mircea_popescu;the problem with people isn't a problem with people, but with infinities : realia is somewhat infinite ; idealia is MUCH more infinite than that (whole thing neatly mirrors the cardinality of power sets, actually).
1938111;1569459991;mircea_popescu;for this reason any imanentization (ie, mapping of concepts into reality) will revolve around a "paradigm" / wilful blindness of some kind. "how could i not think of that" is always lulzy -- if you thought of everything your head would explode. and that's a literalism : if you somehow fit all states of its own emptiness into a glass it'd go boom.
1938112;1569461814;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1938053 << ideally would pipe it into sumthing like a table layout, so can select w/out repeatedly including speaker indicator per line e.g. 'mircea_popescu:'
1938113;1569461815;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 21:38:22 mircea_popescu: whereas on trilema you have the whole power of the mp-wp selectylanguage at your disposals, you don't need the line numbers because you can just select w/e actually interests you
1938114;1569461848;asciilifeform;would also make merging cut-up lines 9000x easier
1938115;1569461887;asciilifeform;( and: if yer not indexing by line , why not actually merge the text when speaker is contiguous ? )
1938116;1569461909;asciilifeform;sorta how mircea_popescu does when writes article featuring log segment
1938117;1569462007;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1938057 << >> [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=165#selection-245.0-245.747][oblig naggum]
1938118;1569462008;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 21:52:01 mircea_popescu: for this reason any imanentization (ie, mapping of concepts into reality) will revolve around a "paradigm" / wilful blindness of some kind. "how could i not think of that" is always lulzy -- if you thought of everything your head would explode. and that's a literalism : if you somehow fit all states of its own emptiness into a glass it'd go boom.
1938119;1569462067;asciilifeform;in related grrs, asciilifeform recently attempted backport of mircea_popescu's selector knob to own wp, but broke teeth cuz it dun know how to cross paragraphs, and i have '9000' multi-para selections, esp. in ffa series where coad
1938120;1569462095;asciilifeform;so atm still using old, barbaric selector.
1938121;1569462218;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1938050 << if you dun actually store the raw irc lines somewhere, [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1938020][sync] ~from~ your logger becomes suddenly quite nontrivial.
1938122;1569462218;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 21:37:00 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1938036 << nor do you give a shit, seeing how the lines aren't indexed.
1938123;1569462218;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 19:57:41 asciilifeform: lobbes: i relit mine via curl "http://logs.ossasepia.com/log-raw/trilema?istart=1937934&iend=1937941" > foo; ./eat_dump.py foo trilema 3
1938124;1569462275;asciilifeform;can't think of any reason not to ~display~ them as mircea_popescu described tho
1938125;1569462496;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1938055 << iirc he described , 'cheated' by running a znc somewhere and so happened that at no point both fell down simultaneously ( just as e.g. snsabot and ossabot not yet fell down together )
1938126;1569462496;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 21:41:56 mircea_popescu: consider both the positive (no convergence language'd ever have emerged out of "oh, phf did excellent job with logger") and the negative (without "we have these loggers, how do we sync them" nobody'd have ever understood why mp-wp is a better display mechanism than "this shit i just brewed").
1938127;1569462524;billymg;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1937737 << this one? http://trilema.com/2015/how-to-fix-your-local-trackbacks/
1938128;1569462525;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 05:08:58 mircea_popescu: billymg, did you ever find the trilema article re how to re-do your missed pingbacks ?
1938129;1569462564;billymg;just found it now and read it over, did not know mp-wp trackbacks were broken in this way
1938130;1569462685;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1938061 << prolly oughta add to this tho : fleanode not infrequently reorders lines , so might end up with some shuffled if doing this
1938131;1569462685;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 22:23:37 asciilifeform: ( and: if yer not indexing by line , why not actually merge the text when speaker is contiguous ? )
1938132;1569462776;asciilifeform;the other thing, the [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1938052][adhoc traditional line select] is human-friendly, very fast to grab a line url, whereas mircea_popescu-style selector less so, gotta find unique start/end text, when citing from trilema it usually takes asciilifeform 2-3 shots to nail down the correct snip
1938133;1569462776;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 21:37:54 mircea_popescu: loggers as extant suffer from being built manalone style, from scratch, as such the only possible in-page selection is an ad-hoc (but very functional, as it happens) by-line.
1938134;1569463055;asciilifeform;incidentally, if yer going full throttle w/ selectables , the Right Thing imho would be to take it all the way and make items like [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1938063][this] actually display (if reasonably compact.. config knob?) the linked text. a la old man ted nelson's 'transclusions' concept .
1938135;1569463055;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 22:25:37 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1938057 << >> [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=165#selection-245.0-245.747][oblig naggum]
1938136;1569463492;asciilifeform;another thought : the display of literal machine-readable links verbatim in log, is quite wasteful, and if yer doing a whole-page transform, quite avoidable. why not make the cited text the displayed part of the clickable link (and orig. url -- the machine part when same is clicked) .
1938137;1569463583;*;asciilifeform goes to construct example...
1938138;1569463941;asciilifeform;[http://www.loper-os.org/pub/transclud/a.html][this] becomes : [http://www.loper-os.org/pub/transclud/b.html][that] .
1938139;1569464000;asciilifeform;^ in this example, as we're using line-based selector, cites whole line. but if used fine-grained selector, could cite the selection.
1938140;1569464088;asciilifeform;result is imho not only moar compact ( why throw the ' http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1938055 ' to the screen ? ) but moar readable .
1938141;1569464088;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 21:41:56 mircea_popescu: consider both the positive (no convergence language'd ever have emerged out of "oh, phf did excellent job with logger") and the negative (without "we have these loggers, how do we sync them" nobody'd have ever understood why mp-wp is a better display mechanism than "this shit i just brewed").
1938142;1569464132;asciilifeform;for folx who give a shit 'via what bot? was the citation' -- can put that in 'hovertext' .
1938143;1569464189;asciilifeform;if finally throwing out the ancient kakobreklic format for logger display, wai not go full throttle.
1938144;1569464687;asciilifeform;would have to make the wwwtron avoid displaying bot echoes tho ( theoretically one'd still want bot echoes , to see wtf is going on when reading via live irc session rather than www )
1938145;1569464798;asciilifeform;... rapidly this becomes a headache, re historic logs where 1e6 times people cited specifically bot echoes
1938146;1569464872;asciilifeform;this, rather like the 'url clocks' problem, demands a 'smart' transmutation of old l0gz, somehow, in order to work 100% correctly.
1938147;1569464876;lobbes;aha, I was just about to mention the bot echos
1938148;1569464892;asciilifeform;ftr we still haven't a pill for the url clocks problem.
1938149;1569464898;asciilifeform;( it is preventing import of era1 )
1938150;1569465027;asciilifeform;imho all of this is a++ illustration of how even in very small, conceptually (vs. e.g. ye olde c/gcc/linux orchestra) system, 'legacy' retardation gets firmly baked in and very difficult to entirely remove.
1938151;1569465071;asciilifeform;ancient problem, sorta how the j00z ended up with a talmud in 4 langs
1938152;1569465087;asciilifeform;(couldn't agree on translation of n-1th ea. time they got hard-reset)
1938153;1569465172;asciilifeform;so things could, i suppose, be worse, era1 could be in aramaic!111
1938154;1569465593;*;lobbes goes back to review [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-08-28#1931754][trinque/alf convo on url clock problem]
1938155;1569465593;ericbot;Logged on 2019-08-28 21:14:00 asciilifeform: trinque: basic desired scheme is http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931395
1938156;1569465594;snsabot;Logged on 2019-08-27 11:35:18 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931353 << phf yer missing the point , i need so that http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-16#758070 AND http://btcbase.org/log/1945-07-16#758070 go to same thing !
1938157;1569465740;asciilifeform;ericbot: i'ma restate compactly. atm we index lines. by a monotonic # . the timestamps are stored as unix epochal times. the urls, however, demand a e.g. 2014-07-16 , and always did, and these both now and then were parsed via what the particular box thought local time was. resulting in headache, because machine timekeeping was , and remains, shite.
1938158;1569465795;asciilifeform;this problem, incidentally, if not cured, will persist in a hypothetical mircea_popescu-style pregenned-pages logger.
1938159;1569465813;asciilifeform;because currently no 2 logotrons actually agree on what reich.time it is.
1938160;1569465834;asciilifeform;nor is there likely ever gonna be any such agreement. use of reich time gotta be made 100% decorative, or to go away entirely.
1938161;1569465880;asciilifeform;even to actually use the unix epochal time, is dodgy. cuz, again, no 2 tmsr boxes are ever likely to come to an accurate agreement re what unix.epochtime it is 'now'.
1938162;1569465938;asciilifeform;so , say you have a logger of whatever type (either traditional or mircea_popescuine) and 2 of these dun agree re when a day ended -- bang, you get links that dun lead to the desired text. cuz they try to use the fucking date.
1938163;1569466027;asciilifeform;the historic epochtimestamps are incidentally all over the place, try setting a scratch box logger to sort ~by time~ some time and weep. ( from when phf , for instance, imported his znc, evidently wasn't 100% synced to the primary logger ; and elsewhere )
1938164;1569466102;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1937945 for instance diverge by 15m. and that's today. month from nao, prolly will diverge by 30, or worse
1938165;1569466102;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 16:45:45 asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1937944 http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1937944
1938166;1569466103;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 17:01:14 asciilifeform: let's verify:
1938167;1569466182;asciilifeform;the heathens pretend that they 'solve' this via ntpism. but, characteristically of heathenisms, it dun fucking solve anyffin, is a 'can't believe it aint butter!' pressed sawdust 'solution'.
1938168;1569466207;asciilifeform;with ntpism they give up not only sovereignty (washington gets to tell you 'what time it is') but monotonicity !
1938169;1569466348;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1938103 << err, lobbes: lol
1938170;1569466349;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 23:27:50 asciilifeform: ericbot: i'ma restate compactly. atm we index lines. by a monotonic # . the timestamps are stored as unix epochal times. the urls, however, demand a e.g. 2014-07-16 , and always did, and these both now and then were parsed via what the particular box thought local time was. resulting in headache, because machine timekeeping was , and remains, shite.
1938171;1569466383;*;asciilifeform bbl, gotta get fresh air
1938172;1569467026;lobbes;lol, my bots' identities are merging with my own
1938173;1569467028;lobbes;in the mircea_popescuine logger, though, all links will use the server-side-selectory-style. By definition those links will never agree with the traditional loggers since the latter can't span arbitrary lines / text
1938174;1569467050;lobbes;but I see the issue re: the traditional loggers agreeing with each other
1938175;1569467680;asciilifeform;lobbes: if yer pages are in any way calendar-sectioned, will suffer same problem
1938176;1569467777;asciilifeform;for so long as concept of 'day' is used at all, 'the hole through which the night goes in'(tm) remains open
1938177;1569467973;asciilifeform;behold, for instance : http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-26#1938120 vs http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-26#1938120
1938178;1569467973;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 23:49:40 lobbes: but I see the issue re: the traditional loggers agreeing with each other
1938179;1569467973;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-26 00:05:26 lobbes: but I see the issue re: the traditional loggers agreeing with each other
1938180;1569468026;asciilifeform;the bots know what to do ( i wrote so it loads by index strictly ~when parsing for echo~ cuz ~possible~ there ) but yer browser does not !
1938181;1569468037;asciilifeform;try to click on the snsabot link.
1938182;1569468137;asciilifeform;the browser [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931364][is unable] to send to '#1938120' to the box.
1938183;1569468137;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 23:49:40 lobbes: but I see the issue re: the traditional loggers agreeing with each other
1938184;1569468158;asciilifeform;lobbes: does this make sense nao ?
1938185;1569468337;asciilifeform;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/1945-05-09#1938120
1938186;1569468337;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-26 00:05:26 lobbes: but I see the issue re: the traditional loggers agreeing with each other
1938187;1569468346;asciilifeform;^ observe that worx. from bot pov.
1938188;1569468428;asciilifeform;but if you calendarize the pregenned-pages thing, you end up baking the 'when does day start' idiocy right into the db. where cannot even be easily later fixed...
1938189;1569468471;lobbes;I definitely see issue with traditional logger, but..
1938190;1569468474;lobbes;re: two or more mp-wp loggers agreeing with each other; I'm not sure they would ever need to agree with each other in terms of links... IF not indexing. In other words, each instance of a mp-wp logger and its output becomes indistinguishable from any other blog post on said blog. (in other words, if you don't care to sync, or don't care if "missing" lines, then not an issue)
1938191;1569468481;lobbes;Now, to [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-26#1938053][revisit upstack], if you are intending to *sync* one mp-wp logger with another mp-wp logger, then I guess you'd run into the same issue as the trad. loggers. I.e. In order to sync you *would* need to index.
1938192;1569468481;ericbot;Logged on 2019-09-26 00:54:16 mircea_popescu: whereas on trilema you have the whole power of the mp-wp selectylanguage at your disposals, you don't need the line numbers because you can just select w/e actually interests you
1938193;1569468496;asciilifeform;lobbes: is it not apparent that you will have same problem if calendar is used ~anywhere at all~ ?
1938194;1569468530;asciilifeform;you gotta break the pages ~somehow~. q is how. if you do it by 'day', you end up stepping on same mine.
1938195;1569468590;asciilifeform;lobbes: understand also that the problem aint limited to '2 loggers agree'. clocks -- drift. arbitrarily. needs also to agree re links with ~past self~
1938196;1569468625;asciilifeform;if the links contain dates, and the date is in any way significant to the machine -- which, if you cut by 'day' the pages, it will be -- yer stuck with this horror.
1938197;1569468687;lobbes;hm, I see what you mean re: "agrees with past self"
1938198;1569468699;asciilifeform;even if they're not indexed by line, but take the form ...../chan/date?start=foo&end=bar
1938199;1569468707;asciilifeform;the date -- gotta go
1938200;1569468839;asciilifeform;the sooner we find a pill for this, the fewer speshulcase atrocities will have to be committed to make old log readable in new formats.
1938201;1569469302;asciilifeform;the current logger only is able to get away with disregarding dates when echoes, because the pages are dynamically genned
1938202;1569469398;asciilifeform;if you introduce hard splits by date -- the example differential pair nao will not only not load identically, but also not echo. and worse, there will be no decidable algorithm for even determining what the link made for 1 logger, corresponds to on other.
1938203;1569469422;asciilifeform;i.e. whole idea of synced loggers, becomes an impossibility.
1938204;1569469480;asciilifeform;imho a pregen-page logger must split on something ~other~ than calendarism.
1938205;1569469516;asciilifeform;can be anyffin, even line count. so long as it can be mechanically derived from the actual lines, rather than clocks.
1938206;1569469544;asciilifeform;clocks -- are bogus.
1938207;1569470110;asciilifeform;btw http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-26#1938128 reveals a parser bug.
1938208;1569470110;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-26 00:07:47 asciilifeform: the browser [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931364][is unable] to send to '#1938120' to the box.
1938209;1569470115;asciilifeform;(exercise for reader...)
1938210;1569470167;asciilifeform;iirc diana_coman actually reported this one coupla wks ago, it seems to be on my chalkboard already !
1938211;1569470211;asciilifeform;regexps btw are [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2017-02-09#1612653][a never-ending fountain] of breakage like this.
1938212;1569470212;snsabot;Logged on 2017-02-09 12:53:33 asciilifeform: incidentally -- there is more to this crapolade than meets the naked eye. regexp is a fundamentally braindamaged concept -- not only in the way described by naggum (how do you infer false positives?) but also in the haskellian idiocy where 'reasonable' and 'thermonuclear self-annihilation' programs look nearly identical, and distinguishing them is np-hard
1938213;1569470240;asciilifeform;asciilifeform, for instance, likes to think that his hands grow from shoulders, and not from arse, and still evidently produced these.
1938214;1569470379;asciilifeform;this is not even to touch on the q of whether a particular shitlang's regextron even worx as specified.
1938215;1569470469;asciilifeform;( they are regularly found ~not~ to )
1938216;1569470572;asciilifeform;as naggum observed, regexism indeed helps to ~quickly~ shit out a proggy that ~appears~ to work. but it will never become proggy that ~actually worx~ i.e. can be shown to work for all inputs.
1938217;1569470699;asciilifeform;fwiw i still have nfi what to do about e.g. [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934668][this] ...
1938218;1569470700;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-07 07:34:07 mircea_popescu: oh, and is [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log-search?q=republic+os&chan=trilema][this] a search bug, btw ?
1938219;1569470869;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-26#1938150 << nevertheless, things like [http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/09/mp-wp-bot-work-plan-week-3/#comment-113][this] are harder to implement once the concept of dates are thrown out the window
1938220;1569470870;ericbot;Logged on 2019-09-26 03:46:04 asciilifeform: imho a pregen-page logger must split on something ~other~ than calendarism.
1938221;1569470875;lobbes;I must digest these threads some more, methinks (though I thank asciilifeform for the edification). I'll bbl; sleep
1938222;1569470893;asciilifeform;nighty, lobbes
1938223;1569470954;asciilifeform;it's possible that mircea_popescu intends his item to be standalone, rather than pilot plant for all 'canonical' loggers. then dun matter so much whether calendar etc.
1938224;1569470962;asciilifeform;but would have to see what he says when wakes up.
1938225;1569471029;asciilifeform;phf got away cleanly with calendarism because never tried to sync w/ anyone else .
1938226;1569471056;asciilifeform;( if he did -- presumably manually fixed, and didn't bother to make a note of it )
1938227;1569471270;*;asciilifeform must also bbl
1938228;1569482940;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1938040 << this made entirely 0 the fuck sense, what the fuck, if you miss a line thereby the int'l dateline changes ?!
1938229;1569482941;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 20:17:27 asciilifeform: lobbes: as i understand, with that type of logger you'd have to regen all of the pages that include or follow the gap, in order to close a filled gap.
1938230;1569482968;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1938042 << namely.... maybe two ? wtf.
1938231;1569482969;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 20:21:24 lobbes: indeed. Would just be a buncha "update" statements that fill in the proper lines. As it currently is designed, I have it spitting lines into a flat file first, and that file is used to update the "current day's log" post as new lines are seen
1938232;1569483034;mircea_popescu;and why the fuck flatfile intermediary anywya, what is this, medieval clockwork ?! what's it needed for ?!
1938233;1569483091;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1938046 << are you fucking kidding me, how the fuck are old logs not read-only even anyway ?!
1938234;1569483092;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 20:37:34 asciilifeform: imho a logger that can't resync at all, aint much of a logger. but at the same time i dun see why a generate-statics logger couldn't be made to resync. simply a bit moar complicated.
1938235;1569483225;mircea_popescu;this has easily been the weirdest wtf... uncleaned coffee mugs invaded by ergot or what the hell's going on here
1938236;1569484635;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1938058 << this is an insane problem to solve. if all you're trying to delineate is "mircea popescu", then how about linking to the whole page ; otherwise, it was ~something the man said~, which gives rise to both the need to point to it specifically, and to the method of doing just that.
1938237;1569484635;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 22:22:24 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1938053 << ideally would pipe it into sumthing like a table layout, so can select w/out repeatedly including speaker indicator per line e.g. 'mircea_popescu:'
1938238;1569484643;mircea_popescu;you can't need to point specifically to my name generally.
1938239;1569484744;mircea_popescu;ie, if "selection doesn't work for me" "why not ?" "because what i want to select recurs", give some thought whether indeed "selection is broken and should be fixed". WHY do you want to select something THAT RECURS, and recurs so much it actually doesn't allow you to extend the context slightly, one character at a time, resolving your problem ?
1938240;1569484780;mircea_popescu;maybe what you're trying to select isn't something you should be selecting as part of what you're trying to do because what you;re trying to do is actually broken upstream. ODDS ARE.
1938241;1569484863;mircea_popescu;god put ~exactly no clues~ permitting one to bootstrap out of the ~necessary~ [http://trilema.com/2015/recursive-dunning-kruger/][d-k recursion]. god put no such clues in ~deliberately~, and god also made it necessary in the first place. because god's an asshole.
1938242;1569484942;mircea_popescu;the only available support for such bootstrap is this kind of indicia, "why are my self-perceived needs conflict with my betters' designs". it could, [http://trilema.com/2017/dupa-dealuri/?b=The%20secret&e=altogether#select][surely], be the case they're fucked in the head. i'm sure they often are.
1938243;1569484974;mircea_popescu;nevertheless -- not all problems one can persuade himself into perceiving are actually worth solving.
1938244;1569485158;mircea_popescu;there's exactly no need to "stop rape", for instance. "being special" (defined as, "never being raped") is not some kind of "universal right of womanhood". no woman's born entitled to be special, she's born to be used, like any other blade of grass on this here GREEN earth. that specialdom may arise, as a mist, RETROSPECTIVELY, is one thing. but the problem needs no "solving" -- you don't wanna take the cock, don't. see ho
1938245;1569485158;mircea_popescu;w far that gets you and bother whoever cares about it.
1938246;1569485182;mircea_popescu;"oh but mp, surprise sex is inconvenient" "yes, i'm sure it is"
1938247;1569485247;mircea_popescu;"i thought this was uncontroversial" "yes, that's how it usually goes."
1938248;1569485365;mircea_popescu;the persuasive universe is actually very much like a fungal infection of the mind : it grows nicely, i'm sure, but in so doing it misuses a fundamental other thing, that actually has a function independent of ever-growing fungal blather.
1938249;1569485452;mircea_popescu;the dichotomy between the subjective life of the subject and the demands of the outside structure ~is creative~. this is specifically the mechanism through which it is creative : "i wonder why it is i want something that these idiots didn't put in". one possible outcome of a correct such evaluation is, indeed, "jesus fuck they're idiots". however, ANOTHER possible outcome is the ~EXTREMELY~ valuble bootstrap out of d-k rec
1938250;1569485452;mircea_popescu;ursion.
1938251;1569485474;mircea_popescu;it's valuable because it is rare, and because it is, quite pointedly, going against god's own plans with you.
1938252;1569485611;mircea_popescu;if one just goes by the persuasion tradewinds, this lever's permanently stuck to position one ; and ridiculous nonsense flows downstream, superficially visible as "[http://trilema.com/2015/the-squares-and-the-holes/?b=Powerful&e=badly#select][old men in power have been behaving badly]" or w/e currently fashionable cri de guerre of the retard camp.
1938253;1569485652;mircea_popescu;this isn't actually the problem though ; as well documented on trilema, the effect on powerful old men an' their behaviour of the tavern wench consensus is still the nil it's ever been.
1938254;1569485712;mircea_popescu;the subjective paralysis is actually the problem. participating in the tavern wench chorus as to how bad your owner is prevents you from fucking thinking, or growing the fuck up (the two being related).
1938255;1569485777;mircea_popescu;and participation ~doesn't take all that much~. that's why it exists, after all, because it's easy, because it is in fact even easier than the [http://trilema.com/2014/the-gui-the-twerk-and-the-most-valuable-resource/][very little] use them powerful old men behaving badly might put a dumb wench towards.
1938256;1569485852;mircea_popescu;in fact, all it really takes is this conviction that a problem once perceived's thereby an' therefore also a problem that needs solving. NOT SO.
1938257;1569485885;mircea_popescu;it could be, of fucking course, there's no denying that. but there's another step in there, and not to be skipped over.
1938258;1569486231;mircea_popescu;and it can not even be explained JUST HOW!!! creative that thing that's creative actually is. let's look at one example : mp is, as a factual matter, the one who needs most things not put in. mp apparently needs to walk his bitches on a leash downtown, which romania doesn't even have words for, every newspaper in the country must drop whatever it was doing, selling cheap chinesiums, to talk about mp's weird needs now, and
1938259;1569486231;mircea_popescu;how it all relates to the system.
1938260;1569486231;mircea_popescu;erryone's happy with a girl to worship at home, just put her into this one shrineroom and worship there now and again ; mp apparently needs multiple (what! how!) and ~somehow even manages this~, for years, decades, it's not a wish-perceived fantasy, he lives like this ?!
1938261;1569486232;mircea_popescu;yet mp is also the ~least~ angry at "the system". how the fuck could this be ? is mp insane ? if everyone's so fucking pissed off over epsilon, "they gave us 9000 things but we're missing like... three. burn it all down", what the fuck's mp supposed to say, he has to have his fucking food flown in / slave made, and clothes flown in across the world and everything else.
1938262;1569486237;mircea_popescu;yet strangely mp doesn't mind nearly as much as the bottom centile of the "red pill" crowd. how the fuck ?! is it because he's a jew that he doesn't suspect jews are in charge ? what the fuck's going on here ?!
1938263;1569486264;mircea_popescu;~the dichotomy is creative~. we don't have many (in the sense of : not any) alternative leverage points available. gotta use what's there.
1938264;1569486857;mircea_popescu;in fact, the reason i take the time to explain how various shits work, unpopular as they may be, is because i put the time in to actually understand how they do in fact work ; and i did that not because i was bored, or because i was desperate to find something to pour some of this time into, i have like a well of time at home and it's overflowing so you gotta put some in all availavble receptacles or else it floods the hou
1938265;1569486858;mircea_popescu;se, so i have 500 gallon jugs with time lying about.
1938266;1569486940;mircea_popescu;no, tis outta respect. i will take the time to type something out, an old poem, whatever, for similar reasons : some things are worth it. and they get worth it through occasionally, ever so occasionally, doing you that rare and radiant wonder of a favour, where "it turns out" aka you finally deign to fucking notice you were doing something stupid.
1938267;1569486995;diana_coman;this thread will be mandatory reading for #o residents
1938268;1569487000;mircea_popescu;o hai diana_coman
1938269;1569487005;diana_coman;morning mircea_popescu
1938270;1569487522;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log-raw/trilema?istart=1938185&iend=1938213 - look at this, log-selection via log-raw, ha.
1938271;1569487564;diana_coman;(and them mircea_popescu will write a mandatory-reading thread of more than 500 lines and my log-selection via log-raw will fail).
1938272;1569487581;mircea_popescu;not this decade
1938273;1569487597;mircea_popescu;will need moar beard for crossing the 500 line threshold.
1938274;1569488072;mircea_popescu;neways, ima go for a walk. bbs.
1938275;1569488241;diana_coman;enjoy
1938276;1569488288;spyked;diana_coman, from what I can see, raw-log display also fixes the "when to cross page boundary" problem, heh. e.g. http://logs.ossasepia.com/log-raw/trilema?istart=1938114&iend=1938120 displays fine
1938277;1569488674;diana_coman;spyked: indeed it does; basically the browser-display is the broken part
1938278;1569496895;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1938061 << this is a long standing problem (not kidding, i been pondering "how to display logs" for a [http://trilema.com/2011/fetele-bitcoin-ului-episodul-i/][LONG] time). generally it seems to me preferable to preserve the original prosody of the author (because yes, this is what this is, "how to break into lines", duh, ancient greek issue)
1938279;1569496896;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 22:23:37 asciilifeform: ( and: if yer not indexing by line , why not actually merge the text when speaker is contiguous ? )
1938280;1569496978;mircea_popescu;unlike "poetry" ie the socialist shit, where "things look a certain way" with 'verses" (and i'm stuck ha;lf the time dropping it altogether, because it's better absent than fucked), our prosody is actually interesting.
1938281;1569497033;mircea_popescu;which is why generally when rendering log i tend to preserve nametags per line and the original lines (though not always) and instead insert extra line breaks now and again to paragraph it up.
1938282;1569497070;mircea_popescu;alternative schemes may be devised, but it's not a simple "let's just mechasmush everythin together" sorta level of consideration.
1938283;1569497226;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1938065 << sadly this is a html breakage. the options are delineated in article : either use span and not cross paras, or else use div and end up with an extra newline.
1938284;1569497227;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 22:26:36 asciilifeform: in related grrs, asciilifeform recently attempted backport of mircea_popescu's selector knob to own wp, but broke teeth cuz it dun know how to cross paragraphs, and i have '9000' multi-para selections, esp. in ffa series where coad
1938285;1569497236;mircea_popescu;until html replacement, this is the limit
1938286;1569497323;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1938067 << so the idea is that the flatfile is part of the orig logger ? i misread, i thought it's novel addition.
1938287;1569497324;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 22:29:07 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1938050 << if you dun actually store the raw irc lines somewhere, [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1938020][sync] ~from~ your logger becomes suddenly quite nontrivial.
1938288;1569497333;mircea_popescu;which'd have made no sense.
1938289;1569497374;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1938075 << right, that one.
1938290;1569497375;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 22:34:53 billymg: just found it now and read it over, did not know mp-wp trackbacks were broken in this way
1938291;1569497699;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1938078 << now this is so ; i'm quite happy we found out about it actually.
1938292;1569497700;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 22:38:25 asciilifeform: the other thing, the [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1938052][adhoc traditional line select] is human-friendly, very fast to grab a line url, whereas mircea_popescu-style selector less so, gotta find unique start/end text, when citing from trilema it usually takes asciilifeform 2-3 shots to nail down the correct snip
1938293;1569497751;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1938080 << there's no good way to "knob" this.
1938294;1569497751;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 22:43:04 asciilifeform: incidentally, if yer going full throttle w/ selectables , the Right Thing imho would be to take it all the way and make items like [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1938063][this] actually display (if reasonably compact.. config knob?) the linked text. a la old man ted nelson's 'transclusions' concept .
1938295;1569498239;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1938084 << imo this sounds like a good idea in theory, but is not a good idea in practice. the reason for the difference is that the links as we use them now are ~fixed length~ AND ~fixed format~, something the quotes can never be. they are BETTEr like this than like that because the fix-* is the more important attirbute in thsi context.
1938296;1569498239;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 22:57:51 asciilifeform: [http://www.loper-os.org/pub/transclud/a.html][this] becomes : [http://www.loper-os.org/pub/transclud/b.html][that] .
1938297;1569498273;mircea_popescu;a car-plane is not more compact than a set of car, plane ; nor is it "more intellectually accessible". it's true the manual
1938298;1569498285;mircea_popescu;s 60% the length ; but this is not the be-all end all of intellectual accessibility.
1938299;1569498312;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1938089 << it was my fucking spec, wtf.
1938300;1569498313;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 23:01:58 asciilifeform: if finally throwing out the ancient kakobreklic format for logger display, wai not go full throttle.
1938301;1569498360;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1938091 << this still happens ; it has its functions.
1938302;1569498360;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 23:12:08 asciilifeform: ... rapidly this becomes a headache, re historic logs where 1e6 times people cited specifically bot echoes
1938303;1569498409;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1938096 << altogether not clear to me any actual retardation's in fact been identified, which may have something to do with it.
1938304;1569498410;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 23:15:57 asciilifeform: imho all of this is a++ illustration of how even in very small, conceptually (vs. e.g. ye olde c/gcc/linux orchestra) system, 'legacy' retardation gets firmly baked in and very difficult to entirely remove.
1938305;1569498452;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1938099 << hey, trilema has a romanian chunk. ~doesn't bother anything~.
1938306;1569498453;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 23:18:21 asciilifeform: so things could, i suppose, be worse, era1 could be in aramaic!111
1938307;1569498533;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in local lulz : "what was that much better post office here called ?" "you mean prioripost ?" "that's right, apriori post!" "no, no, just prioripost. though... damn..."
1938308;1569498553;mircea_popescu;think abougt it, isn't a priori post something you'd want ? :D
1938309;1569498717;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1938106 << well, trilema doesnt have this problem, because, of course, d. Tr.
1938310;1569498718;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 23:29:24 asciilifeform: nor is there likely ever gonna be any such agreement. use of reich time gotta be made 100% decorative, or to go away entirely.
1938311;1569498865;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1938119 << even there, you'll have to name the days ~something~, which reduces to naming them the date, meaning that your select will only work if the line is IN tjat date.
1938312;1569498866;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 23:49:18 lobbes: in the mircea_popescuine logger, though, all links will use the server-side-selectory-style. By definition those links will never agree with the traditional loggers since the latter can't span arbitrary lines / text
1938313;1569498994;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-26#1938134 << can be "easily fixed" in theory because it was dumped in mechanically ; but won't be easily fixed in practice because fu, i'm not changing trilema articles once published.
1938314;1569498995;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-26 00:12:38 asciilifeform: but if you calendarize the pregenned-pages thing, you end up baking the 'when does day start' idiocy right into the db. where cannot even be easily later fixed...
1938315;1569499032;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-26#1938136 << this is quite the idea. i have no expectation trilema log and whoever else's such log be machine-identical.
1938316;1569499033;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-26 00:13:24 lobbes: re: two or more mp-wp loggers agreeing with each other; I'm not sure they would ever need to agree with each other in terms of links... IF not indexing. In other words, each instance of a mp-wp logger and its output becomes indistinguishable from any other blog post on said blog. (in other words, if you don't care to sync, or don't care if "missing" lines, then not an issue)
1938317;1569499040;mircea_popescu;let people people it up, w/e.
1938318;1569500501;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-26#1938140 << you're approaching this from a very bizarro view where you don't seem to be aware what blogs are.
1938319;1569500502;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-26 00:14:20 asciilifeform: you gotta break the pages ~somehow~. q is how. if you do it by 'day', you end up stepping on same mine.
1938320;1569500516;mircea_popescu;if i make the log say X on my blog, that's my fucking priviledge, it exists on my authority.
1938321;1569500647;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-26#1938151 << there is such a thing implemented, specifically in the auctionbot spec for #eulora (say your line on the hour but only if there's been chatter since last saying). something very similar can also work here, "a new day starts when there's been silence for x time"). while clocks drift, they don't also diverge, not on the sort of scales here contemplated.
1938322;1569500648;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-26 00:30:46 asciilifeform: can be anyffin, even line count. so long as it can be mechanically derived from the actual lines, rather than clocks.
1938323;1569500682;mircea_popescu;i dunno that i'd want this ; but the experimentally inclined may find it interesting to explore
1938324;1569500750;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-26#1938159 << you have a certain sort of impulsive dr hyde lying inside, prone to all sorta these out of a specific set.
1938325;1569500751;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-26 00:42:50 asciilifeform: asciilifeform, for instance, likes to think that his hands grow from shoulders, and not from arse, and still evidently produced these.
1938326;1569500853;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-26#1938169 << quite. i intend it to be pilot plant for standalone, i'm specifically curious how bad "the bad" is gonna turn out to be.
1938327;1569500853;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-26 00:54:44 asciilifeform: it's possible that mircea_popescu intends his item to be standalone, rather than pilot plant for all 'canonical' loggers. then dun matter so much whether calendar etc.
1938328;1569500896;mircea_popescu;o wowz, finally caught up!
1938329;1569502650;trinque;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1937826 << cool, this was a missing detail imho. ack
1938330;1569502650;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 08:23:25 mircea_popescu: so check this out trinque i changed my mind! http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-21#1937508 << rating < 1, actually.
1938331;1569502653;*;trinque bbl
1938332;1569508329;mircea_popescu;meh, this half-expressed back and forth spec.
1938333;1569508334;mircea_popescu;trinque, here's the complete story :
1938334;1569508391;mircea_popescu;there's two lobes to qualify for voice in  a castle : EITHER 1.(rating above x by the castle owner) OR 2.(sum rating over y by his lordship as he defines it.)
1938335;1569508452;mircea_popescu;1 must be on for there to be a voice model in the first place. #trilema was traditionally 1 on, 2 on, x = 0, y = 0. with this castle update #trilema is moving to 1 on, 2 off, x = 1, y = undefined.
1938336;1569508499;*;asciilifeform eats mircea_popescu's output, may take a bit
1938337;1569508505;mircea_popescu;in order for this system to retain its utility throughout the board, i believe the whole array should be offered to castle owners. thus for deedbot to manage voicing in a castle the owner would have to specify the castle name, what x value he wants, whether lobe 2 is on and if so what threshold y to be used.
1938338;1569508541;mircea_popescu;i kept dithering back and forth in here because i stupidly never sat down to draw this all out properly and review history etc. but now i have, and that's the story.
1938339;1569508564;mircea_popescu;the owner doesn't have to specify WHO is his lordship, because the bot just looks at who he rated 9.
1938340;1569508568;mircea_popescu;that'd be the whole story.
1938341;1569508683;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-26#1938261 << this appears to be the key : if mircea_popescu's item aint intended to be a syncable logger, then naturally it dun need to giveashit re dates problem etc.
1938342;1569508683;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-26 08:42:44 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-26#1938136 << this is quite the idea. i have no expectation trilema log and whoever else's such log be machine-identical.
1938343;1569508711;mircea_popescu;right.
1938344;1569508739;mircea_popescu;not that i'm against sync-able loggers. but i don't believe all loggers MUST be thusly.
1938345;1569508777;mircea_popescu;or to put it another way : a logger confronts the dilemma if whether to sync with history or with other loggers. i don't believe there's need for a rule, it can stand as such.
1938346;1569508783;asciilifeform;aha. it's a problem in the current loggers tho, hence the lengthy elaboration .
1938347;1569508802;mircea_popescu;that it is. and i would be concerned if there was no synced logger, too.
1938348;1569508870;mircea_popescu;consider the complexities involved also. what if there's a serious dispute re log ? what do we all do, we each fall back on whatever private irclogs we kept, eys ? and conceivably even have a party split, x-y-z see Q, k-l-n see P.
1938349;1569508890;mircea_popescu;the situation where there's both unchanging loggers and syncing loggers is in fact more stable wrt that sort of challenge.
1938350;1569508931;mircea_popescu;and, my reasoning goes, since im doing this ANYWAY, might as well have a public, published version.
1938351;1569508953;mircea_popescu;i am pretty sure nobody here ever thought before to ~edit~ their irclogs for ~any reason~.
1938352;1569509009;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-26#1938216 << diana_coman: current reader.py has multiline selects, e.g. http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-26?ss=1938185&se=1938213#1938185
1938353;1569509010;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-26 05:30:53 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log-raw/trilema?istart=1938185&iend=1938213 - look at this, log-selection via log-raw, ha.
1938354;1569509010;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-26 04:44:35 mircea_popescu: ie, if "selection doesn't work for me" "why not ?" "because what i want to select recurs", give some thought whether indeed "selection is broken and should be fixed". WHY do you want to select something THAT RECURS, and recurs so much it actually doesn't allow you to extend the context slightly, one character at a time, resolving your problem ?
1938355;1569509018;mircea_popescu;(subsidiarily, i also want to select inside a logline maybe twice aweek, which is hundred of cases by now)
1938356;1569509219;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: anyone who wants can run the current logger and declare 'i aint syncing, mine writes to antifuse rom' etc. very easy to turn syncing into nonsyncing logger, just dun sync. but i think i get how and for what mircea_popescu's is supposed to work
1938357;1569509361;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-26#1938229 << i dun see why the server end could not simply add <font...> tags around all of the material being selected?
1938358;1569509361;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-26 08:12:38 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1938065 << sadly this is a html breakage. the options are delineated in article : either use span and not cross paras, or else use div and end up with an extra newline.
1938359;1569509403;asciilifeform;(or even wrap same in a 1cell 'table')
1938360;1569509464;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-26#1938241 << suggestion here wasn't that speakers literally paste the quotes , as in heathen days, but that the ~current~ 'paste log link and see bot echo' get transformed ~by www viewer~ into the pictured form.
1938361;1569509465;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-26 08:29:31 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1938084 << imo this sounds like a good idea in theory, but is not a good idea in practice. the reason for the difference is that the links as we use them now are ~fixed length~ AND ~fixed format~, something the quotes can never be. they are BETTEr like this than like that because the fix-* is the more important attirbute in thsi context.
1938362;1569509582;asciilifeform;when humans write responses to articles, typically the section being addressed goes ~above~ the reply. why not log renderer follow same form ?
1938363;1569509700;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, font doesn't do what you think (not addressable) ; table is clunkier div. can do either of course, up to you.
1938364;1569509719;mircea_popescu;but the problem's of primitives not wrappers ; nobody on the fucking w3c commission ever had any actual usecases in mind. just shit.
1938365;1569509725;asciilifeform;will have to try, i'd really like to be rid of the js, ~without breaking existing text~
1938366;1569509749;mircea_popescu;there's no "clean span". there's either span-borken-thus or span-borken-that.
1938367;1569509802;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i fully buy that there prolly aint a way to do it cleanly with ~1~ added tag.
1938368;1569509819;asciilifeform;contemplated -- multiple tags. (1 per word, if must)
1938369;1569509835;mircea_popescu;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-26#1938308 << this isn't nearly as universal as all that. going by my own practice, sometimes i paraphrase, sometimes i footnote... but the whole discussion's more a case of "when bird flies, wings move, why not airplane". cuz not everything's a bird, what.
1938370;1569509835;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-26 11:38:35 asciilifeform: when humans write responses to articles, typically the section being addressed goes ~above~ the reply. why not log renderer follow same form ?
1938371;1569509907;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, no, there's no way to do it with any number of tags. the problem is exactly as described : spans that can span any subset of the characters insert a spurious line feed ; spans that do not insert spurious line feed can not span any subset of the characters but only some.
1938372;1569509946;asciilifeform;a, the line feed.
1938373;1569509965;*;asciilifeform admittedly did not spend very long experimenting with this, yet
1938374;1569510012;mircea_popescu;yes. "a one cell table" is just a clunkier div. and the problem with div ([http://trilema.com/2019/proper-html-linking-the-crisis-the-solution-the-resolution-conclusion/?b=The%20usage&e=mmv#select][instead of span]) is that it... breaks the line where it starts.
1938375;1569510115;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: as i understand, mircea_popescu's current selector worx a++ to select text in 1 para where no line breaks, and does not put in any spurious. but if you want to select multiple para, wai not put the table turd where there are already line breaks ? oughta be visually indistinguishable , neh ?
1938376;1569510132;mircea_popescu;the thought manifestly never fucking occured to the muppets, "chief among the jobs of any uniform resource locator is to expose a manner to reference arbitrary subsets of the resource once located ; at the very least ONE CONTINUOUS SUBSET)
1938377;1569510137;asciilifeform;( granted -- mechanically complicated, but oughta work )
1938378;1569510186;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, if you select whole paragraphs and them only, you can get away with div at very minor cost (ie, there may be slight diff between "normal" para and selected on some browsers)
1938379;1569510207;mircea_popescu;the problem here is that select behaviour is social, and implementing a weird select for your blog is likely to cost more in that than in provides in whatever it provides
1938380;1569510218;mircea_popescu;i dun imagine paragraph-select is how people expect to use it.
1938381;1569510234;mircea_popescu;moreover, if that's all you want, you could just add per-para anchors with some tiny tweaking of the mp-wp
1938382;1569510246;mircea_popescu;then no select is even needed, like the bible, #168
1938383;1569510252;mircea_popescu;then no select is even needed, like the bible, #168:35 goes directly there
1938384;1569510261;asciilifeform;if it eats same url commands as other selectors , but able to light up arbitrary text, why would break expectations ?
1938385;1569510278;mircea_popescu;because it can only do whole paras at a time, neh ?
1938386;1569510318;asciilifeform;well that's be quite useless. what i want is ~arbitrary~ text, as the occasion demands, whether 1 word in 1 para somewhere, or 6 para with start inside 1st and end in middle of last etc
1938387;1569510339;asciilifeform;seems as if this oughta be doable on back end via combination of mircea_popescu's 1para and tableistic multipara
1938388;1569510342;mircea_popescu;what you ~could~ do for your usecase, usefully, would be to add a, say, ?a=alf switch, such that when a=alf, every paragraph gets a chapter anchor and every sentence therein gets a sentence anchor, and then alfblog.org/?a=alf#137:37 takes one directly to paragraph 137 verse 37
1938389;1569510377;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this dunwork with coad displayers, so not useful to asciilifeform
1938390;1569510387;mircea_popescu;why not ?
1938391;1569510426;asciilifeform;cuz i dun have 9000 slaves to order to rewrite wp code formatters for 11 langs.
1938392;1569510445;mircea_popescu;yes well ideally what you call "a lang" comes with pre-written formatters
1938393;1569510446;asciilifeform;hell, it took asciilifeform 7+ weeks to only make the one for 'peh' !
1938394;1569510451;mircea_popescu;and if it doesn't, i daresay the problem's not your slaves.
1938395;1569510470;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: recall from what they were pre-written. ocean of regexp.
1938396;1569510482;mircea_popescu;myeah
1938397;1569510490;mircea_popescu;what can i tell you my bruther, we got problems.
1938398;1569510503;mircea_popescu;they chiefly come in large drums of "everyone coming before was a fuckhead"
1938399;1569510516;asciilifeform;indeed
1938400;1569510537;asciilifeform;maybe some energetic noob will take a stab at this one, asciilifeform sadly 100% full hands atm
1938401;1569510553;mircea_popescu;the sadness about this sorta job is that it's eminently not noobworthy.
1938402;1569510561;mircea_popescu;this is retiring whitebeard sorta work.
1938403;1569510563;asciilifeform;entirely likely
1938404;1569510577;mircea_popescu;except of course all the old farts are completely moroning hellspawn a la jwz, rms, ers, etcetera
1938405;1569510584;mircea_popescu;as useless as dogvomit
1938406;1569510639;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-26#1938217 << diana_coman y'know you can set that '500' to whatever, it's in config
1938407;1569510640;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-26 05:31:35 diana_coman: (and them mircea_popescu will write a mandatory-reading thread of more than 500 lines and my log-selection via log-raw will fail).
1938408;1569510656;mircea_popescu;anyway, back to it : html was written by people who had not even a cursory familiarity with what resource location might even mean. consequently, there is no actual way to locate subsets within resources, even if continuous. the only available primitives are, either spurious linefeed, or else partial selects.
1938409;1569510685;mircea_popescu;(called "block" and "inline elements" in-universe)
1938410;1569510700;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ever look into the history of that liquishit ? i.e. ibm's 'sgml' ? no mega-surprise that the end product is what it is
1938411;1569510723;mircea_popescu;chet was even on the committee back in like 2000
1938412;1569510723;asciilifeform;asciilifeform's brother won't even read naggum : 'i hope that bastard is roasting in hell for helping with sgml'
1938413;1569510732;mircea_popescu;when you know, people still inexplicably imagined they could help
1938414;1569510738;asciilifeform;they did, i can see it
1938415;1569510742;mircea_popescu;o yes.
1938416;1569510755;asciilifeform;in the end, was 'medicine for corpse'.
1938417;1569510782;mircea_popescu;problem with smart, educated, english-speaking kids is that they'll believe anything.
1938418;1569510785;asciilifeform;just as , i suspect, there were a coupla sane, honest folx even on sslism committee...
1938419;1569510803;asciilifeform;'spoonful of wine in barrel of piss'
1938420;1569510855;*;asciilifeform brb,ttime
1938421;1569511091;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, http://www.thimbronion.com/ dun resolve fwiw
1938422;1569511982;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-26#1938178 << this was a crackpottery I initially came up with to deal with an imagined problem. The "problem" being that I did not want to keep things like "meta data" and the current day's log lines stored in python memory, lest it crashes and loses that data
1938423;1569511982;ericbot;Logged on 2019-09-26 07:31:58 mircea_popescu: and why the fuck flatfile intermediary anywya, what is this, medieval clockwork ?! what's it needed for ?!
1938424;1569511987;lobbes;buut, I realise now this was kinda dumb. All the data (both "meta" and otherwise) is already inserted into the mysql db ffs. (i.e. if python crashes,  I just... query mysql for last article updated and can get the post ID and last updated date, as well as read the contents field into memory). I will nix the flatfile-ism in short order
1938425;1569512055;lobbes;and now that I know that sync-ism is not wanted with wp-mp logger, I have 0 doubts about this nixing. The wonders of the forum for clarifying courses of action never cease
1938426;1569514547;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: he has http://thimbron.com/ for some reason; /me will catch up with the logs now
1938427;1569515236;hanbot;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-20#1937445 << oughta be fixed nao, ty for the notice!
1938428;1569515237;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-20 12:05:15 diana_coman: hanbot: you have broken trilema links on your blog as they still use polimedia.us eg those in http://thewhet.net/2012/11/shall-be-delivered/
1938429;1569515553;diana_coman;ah, now I see it re thimbronion.com - he tripped over his own feet, didn't he; fwiw he got told off for it and he fixed it; anyway that "plan" needs revising.
1938430;1569515655;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: once the new voice model comes in, is the L1 redefined accordingly too? iirc there are some priviledges such as "can use feedbot & deedbot only if in L1", right? spyked or trinque might correct me here.
1938431;1569516757;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, was linked from his own article, i dunno
1938432;1569516806;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, well, i dunno about redefined. rated 9 here aka l1
1938433;1569516948;mircea_popescu;meanwhile it looks like ima have to review the trackback model also, as it turns out the new select style can spam trackbacks ( http://trilema.com/2019/the-freenode-issue/#comment-131559 and on)
1938434;1569522722;diana_coman;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-26#1938378 - right; not "redefined" as much as updated implementation.
1938435;1569522722;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-26 13:54:45 mircea_popescu: diana_coman, well, i dunno about redefined. rated 9 here aka l1
1938436;1569523319;mircea_popescu;aha
1938437;1569534890;feedbot;http://bingology.net/2019/09/26/weighing-real-estate-in-montevideo-from-an-acquisitive-perspective/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Weighing Real Estate In Montevideo From An Acquisitive Perspective
1938438;1569534921;BingoBoingo;^ asciilifeform et al, the awaited survey of the real estate situation
1938439;1569534930;asciilifeform;oh hey
1938440;1569534933;*;asciilifeform reads
1938441;1569535180;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 1 immediate observation -- the cabs were so cheap , transport dun seem to be major problem ( from asciilifeform's admittedly brief expedition )
1938442;1569535412;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: They add up. The just under 10 km ride to Prado was 390 pesos going there, 340 pesos returning after traffic settled, for ~20 USD round trip.
1938443;1569535475;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: that's, what, 7.3k/yr if you do it erry day. still cheaper than auto+extortions+fuel+etc afaik
1938444;1569535569;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: if can ride across city were 20bux here, i'dve sold my wheeled coffin long ago...
1938445;1569535722;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 1-2k $ / m^2 seems astonishingly high for an orcistan. but then again i aint expert on subj
1938446;1569535744;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Well, there's also taxi strikes ~every other month. Taxis don't run on holidays except by prior arrangement.
1938447;1569535759;asciilifeform;nuts.
1938448;1569535816;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The widely reported years ago on numerous blogs conventional wisdom is that everything is for sale and ~40-60 percent negotiated off the asking prices was a common practice. This needs to be investigated if moving forward.
1938449;1569536081;BingoBoingo;The advertised asking prices have been inching down since I arrived. I suspect the former use of property in Uruguay as a shelter from Argentine taxes kept real estate prices artificially high.
1938450;1569536106;asciilifeform;aha but argentards back 'in the saddle' nao
1938451;1569536194;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: As of 2013 through a bilateral treaty the shelter part of the arrangement went out. From where I'm sitting it is hard to tell which way the Argentine winds will push
1938452;1569536314;BingoBoingo;Most of the apartments along the short of the Rambla here in Pocitos are never lit, never show signs of life, suggesting absentee owners
1938453;1569536385;BingoBoingo;Go one or two streets back and just about everything without a for sale or for rent sign lights up at some point during the week.
1938454;1569536564;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: admitting that this puzzler is out of asciilifeform's paygrade -- imho getting even the smallest of these barracks would be a massive win.
1938455;1569536584;BingoBoingo;One other complication leaving the central municipalities C, B, CH, and E involves incomplete coverage of the residential fiber network.
1938456;1569536626;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: errywhere i set foot seemed to have ok gsm coverage tho
1938457;1569536656;BingoBoingo;That doesn't get spotty until leaving city limits.
1938458;1569536703;BingoBoingo;The local telecom's preferred solution for rural internet is cellular.
1938459;1569536772;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: granted you won't be building a secondary dc in the garage, with gsm, but oughta suffice, i suspect, for work
1938460;1569537131;BingoBoingo;Before investigating transit times it had probably been a good three months since I'd been inside a vehicle. Present tranportation costs consist of food calories above basal metabolic rate and a few cents a day in shoe/boot depreciation.
1938461;1569560601;billymg;mircea_popescu: http://billymg.com/2019/09/additional-tests-for-mp-wp-now-according-to-spec/comment-page-1/#comment-50
1938462;1569563768;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-26#1938254 << depends on the experience
1938463;1569563768;ericbot;Logged on 2019-09-26 11:50:37 mircea_popescu: think abougt it, isn't a priori post something you'd want ? :D
1938464;1569567580;mircea_popescu;aite, /me shall bbs on the travel console!
1938465;1569570442;spyked;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1937811 <-- tyvm!
1938466;1569570442;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 07:30:11 mircea_popescu: !!deed http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=YaNz
1938467;1569570717;spyked;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-26#1938376 <-- hm. I suppose feedbot could do something along the lines of "talk (via PM) only to people who are already +v in the channels where bot is listening"; either way, there's currently no strict enforcement in place, I'll add something if/when it becomes necessary
1938468;1569570717;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-26 13:19:48 diana_coman: mircea_popescu: once the new voice model comes in, is the L1 redefined accordingly too? iirc there are some priviledges such as "can use feedbot & deedbot only if in L1", right? spyked or trinque might correct me here.
1938469;1569571184;spyked;in other news, I'm in the process of standing up a mp-wp for thetarpit and migrating posts from the current platform there. will post a genesis for the current blog later today and then work out a plan for migration
1938470;1569571448;spyked;initial investigation shows that that indeed shouldn't be [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-13#1935931][too painful], probably along the lines of [http://archive.is/Tvkag][wp_insert_post] for each post. will still take some manual labour to verify that posts display well, but that's not burning, so I can do it as I go along with other work.
1938471;1569571449;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-13 13:02:11 mircea_popescu: anyway : i'm willing to bet migration ~will~ be trivial ; and i am very curious to find out why not if indeed not
1938472;1569571536;*;spyked bbl, diving into saecular liquishit
1938473;1569589335;feedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2019/09/27/pretty-petty-particles-notes-on-graphics-in-eulora-vi/ << Ossa Sepia -- Pretty Petty Particles (Notes on Graphics in Eulora, VI)
1938474;1569596663;feedbot;http://thetarpit.org/posts/y06/0a3-thetarpit-lbs-genesis.html << The Tar Pit -- The Tar Pit Lisp Blog Scaffolding genesis
1938475;1569602069;feedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2019/09/27/ossabots-hoster-after-1-month/ << Ossa Sepia -- Ossabot's Hoster After 1 Month
1938476;1569602409;asciilifeform;diana_coman: sounds notbad for a heathen shop, except for the last part. perhaps if you write to the fella and describe wot, he'll get in.
1938477;1569602524;asciilifeform;49 € / mo. for e.g. trb box, aint bad, imho.
1938478;1569602641;diana_coman;asciilifeform: I just fired up an email to them, as the article promisses
1938479;1569602648;asciilifeform;diana_coman: neato
1938480;1569602658;diana_coman;once I get their response either way, I'll update the article; let's see.
1938481;1569602714;asciilifeform;diana_coman: outta curiosity, were the btc receiver addrs they genned, trb-compat ?
1938482;1569602785;asciilifeform;oh nm it's in the article
1938483;1569602792;asciilifeform;a++
1938484;1569602819;diana_coman;well, tbh I wouldn't consider it "accepts btc" if not; but yes, that's why I wrote it black on white.
1938485;1569602825;asciilifeform;right
1938486;1569602852;*;asciilifeform has habit similar to mircea_popescu's of commenting prior to fully eating $text
1938487;1569602876;diana_coman;asciilifeform: re price, iirc 49 eur/mo is not ssd.
1938488;1569602917;asciilifeform;diana_coman: do you recall what cost ssd ?
1938489;1569603211;diana_coman;asciilifeform: iirc it was as an add on, some additional 15-25 eur/month depending on size of ssd
1938490;1569605891;asciilifeform;diana_coman: in recent years, asciilifeform's experience was 'trb-grade box is ~100 $ / mo just about anywhere' , so consistent with this.
1938491;1569606923;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in [https://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2016b.html][misc. strange from the lint traps] .
1938492;1569608717;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-27#1938420 << spyked this is pretty interesting. is that a coupla 100kB of base64'd fontisms in there ? ( and, apparently buncha perl-genned ???! in 1 of the cl libs ?! )
1938493;1569608717;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-27 11:50:01 feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y06/0a3-thetarpit-lbs-genesis.html << The Tar Pit -- The Tar Pit Lisp Blog Scaffolding genesis
1938494;1569609496;diana_coman;does anyone know what eudev is? (apparently some gentoo fork of udev working with openrc but unclear at this point if it's at all acceptable on a system)
1938495;1569609586;asciilifeform;diana_coman: it's [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2017-12-19#1754905][this].
1938496;1569609587;snsabot;Logged on 2017-12-19 18:23:09 trinque: "eudev" exists as an alternative to the systemd-udev. dunno what else the heathens stapled to systemd meanwhile
1938497;1569609612;asciilifeform;i.e. the item that used to be 'udev' before the fungus got to it.
1938498;1569609621;diana_coman;asciilifeform: ah, so it's at least not-fungus
1938499;1569609642;asciilifeform;diana_coman: depending on what's happened in last 2y since i last snapshotted gentoo, it ~could~ have spores in it
1938500;1569609668;asciilifeform;diana_coman: are you sewing a gentoo ?
1938501;1569609802;diana_coman;asciilifeform: no, it's for the irc task, I gave thimbronion the list of acceptable and banned stuff; he had this older gentoo on which he had said eudev and unsure about it.
1938502;1569609859;asciilifeform;aa
1938503;1569609902;asciilifeform;diana_coman: he appears to know about [http://63.80.184.72/blog/gentoo_trb.html][ asciilifeform's orig. fumigated gentoo ] .
1938504;1569609958;asciilifeform;diana_coman: which, observe, [https://archive.is/VA3ov][bans the infested udev] among other associated fungi.
1938505;1569610588;diana_coman;asciilifeform: aha; thanks.
1938506;1569611946;diana_coman;!!key maxim_mivo
1938507;1569611947;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/26F8F009F5A6D8BBEC2EF6FC2B5C010E447C6241.asc
1938508;1569612974;diana_coman;!!v 66FFA5A46B5E978FC493ED23C9F09595D69C7BE45162327D8B00B0AEC54F6543
1938509;1569612974;deedbot;diana_coman rated maxim_mivo 2 << says he's CEO of MivoCloud, my ISP in Chisinau where Ossabot resides.
1938510;1569615645;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/09/2011-to-2017-idevices-jailbroken-via-apple-bootrom-exploit/ << Qntra -- 2011 To 2017 iDevices Jailbroken Via "Apple Bootrom" Exploit
1938511;1569615665;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile in Retard on the other side of the River: http://archive.is/jIoIS "El Banco Central difundió el listado de las personas que compraron más de USD 10.000 por mes"
1938512;1569616431;mp_en_viaje;hhhola!
1938513;1569616452;BingoBoingo;Hola
1938514;1569616511;asciilifeform;wb mp_en_viaje !
1938515;1569616514;mp_en_viaje;yay ty
1938516;1569616549;*;mp_en_viaje was planning to get on earlier but then... well, things got captivating.
1938517;1569616681;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: can i persuade you to pop into #asciilifeform-test for 5min ? ( to see format of crosspost-indication-enabled bot that i'ma be rotating in tonight )
1938518;1569616725;asciilifeform;resetting bot is painful enuff operation that would like to get these 100% nailed before deploy
1938519;1569616772;mp_en_viaje;this BingoBoingo story of uruguay sounds quite like ye olde sovok [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934156][kommunalka] system
1938520;1569616772;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-06 13:11:29 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we weren't even in hruscheba, but in the 19th-c-converted-to-kommunalka . still 100% square walls.
1938521;1569616985;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, cool stuff.
1938522;1569616995;asciilifeform;ty for test mp_en_viaje . there's also a raw-all knob (to make syncs easier) , contains all logged material from all enabled chans.
1938523;1569617017;asciilifeform;with previous bot, sync was gnarly, had to do each chan separately always.
1938524;1569617086;asciilifeform;for thread-completeness, let's put mp_en_viaje's test [http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=WAsv][here] ( #a-test is a garbage chan and aint logged )
1938525;1569617358;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: The Kommunalka Uruguaya in the form of Pensiones are targeted strictly to single people. Very similar to Ye Olde Boarding house without the actual provision of board.
1938526;1569617383;mp_en_viaje;with the taxi once hitting a high speed near 30 km/h << fucking makes my skin crawl. the car AVERAGED like 110
1938527;1569617686;mp_en_viaje;it's stil la pleasure to read bb prose. both well researched and well written, "The primary center of activity in this area is the Punta Carretas Shopping where many of the Frente Amplio's elders were incarcerated at some point." top keks
1938528;1569618176;mp_en_viaje;Asking 185,000 USD, apparently under contract,94 m² << but this is like $200 per sqft ?!
1938529;1569618293;asciilifeform;they all seem to cost 1-1.5k $ / sq m., aha. tho BingoBoingo seems to have found that [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-26#1938394][they haggle] .
1938530;1569618294;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-26 18:55:50 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The widely reported years ago on numerous blogs conventional wisdom is that everything is for sale and ~40-60 percent negotiated off the asking prices was a common practice. This needs to be investigated if moving forward.
1938531;1569618295;mp_en_viaje;that's seriously queens and shit
1938532;1569618352;*;asciilifeform 'ruined for life' re prices when went to ro, nao outraged that errywhere else seems to cost 10x moar
1938533;1569618377;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, ikr ? literally, if you're willing to pay 20-30 a sqft you get to pick.
1938534;1569618431;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, very nice work ; but this seems untenable on the face. i mean, even the san francisco "premium" bezzleworld's been losing 2-3-5% a year, each year, since 2015 or so. and 2s and 3s ealirer, 5s and above these days, 2019 may well close more like 7%
1938535;1569618464;mp_en_viaje;and, literally, the sort of prices they quote will get you a much nicer thing in kew gardens or w/e.
1938536;1569618489;asciilifeform;rright but you wouldn't want to isp in kew .
1938537;1569618489;mp_en_viaje;to not even talk of what it'd get you in say thailand, or vietnam.
1938538;1569618578;asciilifeform;iirc BingoBoingo actually investigated south asia when initial isp expedition. they have oddity where bw to ~outside~ of region is astronomically priced.
1938539;1569618589;mp_en_viaje;anyway. this will have to suspend at least until after ....
1938540;1569618598;mp_en_viaje;hey asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log-search?q=f%3Amirc+%22+east%22&chan=trilema << why is this returning "at least" ?
1938541;1569618604;asciilifeform;lessee:
1938542;1569618629;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: aa, word boundarism dunwork yet
1938543;1569618641;mp_en_viaje;anyway. this will have to suspend at least until after http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-26#1931292
1938544;1569618642;snsabot;Logged on 2019-08-26 19:09:00 mircea_popescu: will be going later, but advanced reports look pretty wow.

1938545;1569618644;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: properly making it go will require opening b00k re pgism
1938546;1569618665;mp_en_viaje;after current trip i intend to go south later this year, istanbul, syria, mebbe dip into iran, all the way to cairo
1938547;1569618670;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: atm ""ism only prevents partial matches inside words.
1938548;1569618691;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: pretty neat, always wanted to see a mp_en_viaje reportage of iran & co
1938549;1569618705;mp_en_viaje;i have faint memories of incredible real estate deals from decades ago, back when young man mp was completely uninterested.
1938550;1569618757;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-26#1938387 << HUGe fucking problem. cabs have pretty much died as a functional human activity.
1938551;1569618758;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-26 18:45:13 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 1 immediate observation -- the cabs were so cheap , transport dun seem to be major problem ( from asciilifeform's admittedly brief expedition )
1938552;1569618764;*;asciilifeform always had vaguely positive impression of modern iran. tho possibly simply on acct of its abuse by the reich
1938553;1569618782;mp_en_viaje;the sort of people you can hire to do the work are to ofuckign moronic to qualify as cows, no farm would hire them to be the livestock
1938554;1569618809;mp_en_viaje;i used to own cars i mostly wasn't using, on the idea that "whatever, nothing wrong with owning it, can always set it to cabwork"
1938555;1569618818;mp_en_viaje;nowadays, gotta own because wtf gonna do, cabs dun work.
1938556;1569618829;asciilifeform;i suppose the ex-sovok phf cabbies all finally died of old age, eh
1938557;1569618834;asciilifeform;*phd lol
1938558;1569618835;mp_en_viaje;yep.
1938559;1569618863;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: fwiw over here in north reich , they're ~solidly india/paki
1938560;1569618868;asciilifeform;some nigeria
1938561;1569618892;mp_en_viaje;it's dead, the whole "oh, cab's great, talk to cabbie get all the infos, solve all the problems, what you want in your life is like two dozen medallioned cars and the people who work them" is as much an artefact of aforetimes as "man who can cut veal"
1938562;1569618905;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, same thing in germany.
1938563;1569618917;asciilifeform;hm i thought in germany turks were the 'pakis'
1938564;1569618926;mp_en_viaje;nope, not no mo.
1938565;1569618931;asciilifeform;damn.
1938566;1569618931;mp_en_viaje;turks got a cooler country than germans now.
1938567;1569619011;mp_en_viaje;it pains me to say it, but it's a fact : cabs aren't really a thing anymore. uber-stupid now.
1938568;1569619053;asciilifeform;iguess it wasn't from 'empty space' that the robotic cabs crackpottery began to seem appealing
1938569;1569619095;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-26#1938390 << but you can't. because it's raining. or because "the game". or because fucktard "can't find the address". or because etcetera. the contemporary 20yo, always and everywhere the driving force of this job (if never the demographic majority) is not mentally capable,
1938570;1569619096;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-26 18:51:43 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if can ride across city were 20bux here, i'dve sold my wheeled coffin long ago...
1938571;1569619143;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: dunno re orcistans, but over here they ask you to type the addr into a pnojetron and then blindly go where it points.
1938572;1569619150;asciilifeform;so, already ~half robotic cabby.
1938573;1569619151;mp_en_viaje;this is the insescapable pit of the problem : back in sovok 70s, an array of young men was +ev. may take some cleanning / training / tooling / whatever, but, basically, ev.
1938574;1569619156;mp_en_viaje;back in 70s usgistani, idem.
1938575;1569619163;mp_en_viaje;today, they're worse than their weight in fungus.
1938576;1569619175;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, myeah
1938577;1569619200;mp_en_viaje;dispatch doesn't even have two way link anymore
1938578;1569619211;mp_en_viaje;it's not dispatch, it's excel windows in space, they "manage". wtf manage ?
1938579;1569619240;*;mp_en_viaje has pretty much given up on cabs.
1938580;1569619246;mp_en_viaje;this is like buzz aldrin giving up on rocketry.
1938581;1569619284;asciilifeform;the 'uber' & related chumpatrons, also appeal to the ~penniless by precomputing the price ( and offering to seat randos for cutting cost in ~half) , so apparently slowly killing traditional cabs.
1938582;1569619346;asciilifeform;i would not have imagined that there are people who 'i'ma take the cab if its costs 15.00 but not 15.50' but apparently they must exist somewhere
1938583;1569619386;mp_en_viaje;actuaklly, they do this insane thing where the price can vary significantly.
1938584;1569619404;asciilifeform;( nor would have imagined that there'd be demand for 'kommunalka' cabs, where some rando d00d can end up inside with you -- why not get into the train then ?? -- but apparently this yes also ! )
1938585;1569619418;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: it varies by factor of 2+x! depending on 'pressure'
1938586;1569619472;mp_en_viaje;which sounds like smart capitalism on the face, but in practice only drives idiocy, because
1938587;1569619538;mp_en_viaje;eh, where's the trilema piece where i discuss the retarded whores doing "fantasy football" in their head, judging "how much X Y or Z '''should get'''" based on how much this one chick allegedly once got ?
1938588;1569619556;mp_en_viaje;it encorages the broken mental processes of the plebs, in any case.
1938589;1569619590;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: it's 'furniture-fueled furnace capitalism' -- offloads cost of purchase (and they want the driver to buy it, ideally, via their credit service) & maintenance of the auto , on the driver , removes ~all 'fat margin' so price wildly fluctuates
1938590;1569619628;asciilifeform;'uber'ist is , last i knew, req'd to buy new auto erry 3y !
1938591;1569619642;asciilifeform;'or would look unbeautiful' or sumthing
1938592;1569619645;mp_en_viaje;they "feel like suckers" when working for "less than the max", because obviously. then they get 1/10 the work, like [http://trilema.com/2009/amuzamente-economice-in-romania/][fucktarded] [http://trilema.com/2012/rationamente-paraeconomice-sau-despre-saracie/][romanians].
1938593;1569619657;mp_en_viaje;then idle hands make devil's work, because he only works 1/10 of the workday he deskills
1938594;1569619671;mp_en_viaje;soon enough you have an inept usgtard on your hands, driving your cab for no reason.
1938595;1569619695;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform took ride in coupla dozen 'ubers' etc , talked to the wheel-turners , found that most of'em have day jobs in bureaucracy somewhere, it's an after-hrs gig
1938596;1569619722;mp_en_viaje;but whatever, this is a point experimentally estgablished during the fucking plague, a good seven centuries ago : permitting the plebs to contribute in ANY WAY to the formation of the price of their own labour destroys the economy
1938597;1569619731;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, it's dating.
1938598;1569619749;mp_en_viaje;the ~only practical function of the "taxi" apps is they're disavowed dating apps for the liberated dumb cunts posing as careerwomen
1938599;1569619766;mp_en_viaje;it delivers a "young dude with a car" at their door. which is what the orc female dream is anyway. now they don't have to go to club.
1938600;1569619784;asciilifeform;well dude-with-mortgaged-car
1938601;1569619785;mp_en_viaje;spend same ~5 bux on a 3 hour campari, except doesn't have to get fat ass off couch. sits in car.
1938602;1569619799;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, if he's dumb enough to do that, he'll be dumb enough to get her a ring on laywaya too
1938603;1569619804;mp_en_viaje;it's a dating app.
1938604;1569619811;*;asciilifeform can picture this.
1938605;1569619822;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: plox to expand re the plague if got time
1938606;1569619832;mp_en_viaje;you recall the black death ?
1938607;1569619841;asciilifeform;'like it was yesterday!' lol
1938608;1569619860;mp_en_viaje;killed like 2/3 of the workforce ; as a result the fucktarded peons started agitating about how tyhey should get to choose where to work, get more wages etc
1938609;1569619862;asciilifeform;but yes, in marxist cosmography is supposed to have 'given labour teeth by cutting pressure'
1938610;1569619873;mp_en_viaje;this was tried for like 2-3 years, then king came out with soil binding and gag orders.
1938611;1569619893;mp_en_viaje;notthing to do with 'pressure', everything to do with imbecility of the "working man".
1938612;1569619932;mp_en_viaje;very much a "sexy project" problem.
1938613;1569619941;mp_en_viaje;what idiot decides he wants to do is always fucking stupid.
1938614;1569619970;asciilifeform;asciilifeform knows slightly moar re how serfdom was phased in in ru than out west. was 'staged' process, and got going in earnest under peter, who decided to create gigatonne of newly-enobled henchmen (modernize , fleets, etc) and then faced q 'how to give'em peasants'
1938615;1569619986;asciilifeform;previously were serfs, but could not be sold
1938616;1569620032;asciilifeform;but can't make noble house from scratch w/out equipping it w/ peasants. so 'wat-do'. was resolved in favour of something quite like ameri-slavery.
1938617;1569620054;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: iirc in most of west europes, serfs not sellable..?
1938618;1569620145;asciilifeform;( other detail re orcs -- initially, was possible for serfs to move at certain times 'day of xyz saint' etc. then phased out. )
1938619;1569620244;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, sellable. with the property.
1938620;1569620250;asciilifeform;right
1938621;1569620252;mp_en_viaje;not sellable appart because wtf, it's ike selling car without wheels
1938622;1569620267;mp_en_viaje;ie, "not sellable" because statutorily worthless. a very wise tack.
1938623;1569620291;mp_en_viaje;otherwise idiots' first on the list of idiocies they like to imaginarily enact, "value in human life"
1938624;1569620378;mp_en_viaje;possibly the most important human contribution to understanding of human affairs : the first, and the most important possible law is the one that interdicts valuation of human life. not in the sense of it being priceless, but in the sense of it being worthless.
1938625;1569620401;asciilifeform;the ru variant seems a++ until remember that erry rebellion (pugachev's being only the most expensive to kill, hence prominently remembered) insta-vacuumed up massive army of disgruntled meat robot
1938626;1569620422;mp_en_viaje;precisely what is meant by original sin.
1938627;1569620442;asciilifeform;iirc in west europistan landsknecht did brisk biz being called in to clean these up
1938628;1569620445;mp_en_viaje;yes, so wicked is the nature of cunt byproducts, every stupidity instantly vacuums up oodlebunches of lychen
1938629;1569620472;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: observation aint re 'ohnoez serfdom wicked' but re 'total cost of operation'(tm)
1938630;1569620502;asciilifeform;i.e. you need lotsa pro exterminators, not cheap
1938631;1569620517;mp_en_viaje;not serfdom is wicked. human nature is wicked, in that the converse statement of [http://trilema.com/2015/recursive-dunning-kruger/][d-k problem] is the one you gave above :
1938632;1569620525;mp_en_viaje;any stupidity instantly gets idiot support.
1938633;1569620544;mp_en_viaje;"disgruntled" my foot. wilfully misrepresenting themselves.
1938634;1569620566;asciilifeform;i dunno that d00d who picks up a spear and decides 'go out with a bang' when starving, is necessarily 'idiot'
1938635;1569620575;mp_en_viaje;vice-versa.
1938636;1569620604;mp_en_viaje;idiot, given the choice between "fix some idiocy inside" and "fuck up some shit outside", ALWAYS goes for door #2.
1938637;1569620629;asciilifeform;how do you 'fix inside' e.g. 3 consecutive dud harvests ?
1938638;1569620672;mp_en_viaje;fucking hell, go fucking discovering america. raise rabbits. what the fuck, "what we always did doesnt work" "do something else" "no, we just want to do what we always did" "but it doesn't work" "it must!"
1938639;1569620691;asciilifeform;'go discovering x' req's breaking outta the konzentrationslager neh
1938640;1569620698;mp_en_viaje;"well, whether it must or it mustn't is irrelevant" "down with the king!"
1938641;1569620719;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, what the fuck konzentrabullshit, nobody ever gave a shit.
1938642;1569620737;asciilifeform;what then means 'were bound to the soil'
1938643;1569620752;mp_en_viaje;that ~another lord~ was not alloed to take thenm ~as plebs~.
1938644;1569620762;asciilifeform;i dunno re e.g. germanies, but in ru there were catchers a la alabama etc
1938645;1569620766;mp_en_viaje;wtf, who makes rules to cockroaches. the rules rule the lords wth.
1938646;1569620776;mp_en_viaje;sure. and where did they catch them ?
1938647;1569620805;mp_en_viaje;"on the manor over the hill" "wow. and what were they doing there ?" "the same thing as here" "holy shit shocking"
1938648;1569620807;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: similarly to alabama, i.e. not far. cuz it wasn't as if they escaped on motorcycles , ha
1938649;1569620814;mp_en_viaje;gimme a break.
1938650;1569620844;mp_en_viaje;the whole idea was that livestock being worthless, moving it across the land was just a waste of fuel, so don't get the indiana livestock working on your farm in alabama.
1938651;1569620870;asciilifeform;for completeness, 'what did they then do' wasn't always 'eh same thing as grandfather, try to pull turnips from mud', but sometimes instead brigandage
1938652;1569620891;mp_en_viaje;these were ~never the same ones.
1938653;1569620919;asciilifeform;on orc side there was attempt to institutionalize, 'ok you can be brigand right-there, on turk border' i.e. cossac
1938654;1569620930;mp_en_viaje;but cossack wasn't fucking farmer anyway
1938655;1569620947;asciilifeform;not fulltime farmer, anyway. ( viking also 'part time farmer' similarly )
1938656;1569620953;mp_en_viaje;which is my point -- there are two distinct and perfectly distinguishable populations. the plebs aren't the highwaymen.
1938657;1569621012;mp_en_viaje;imo the distinction's very vividly made in a clockwork orange. give brigand nude princess, give farm cuck nude princess. one of the cases will result in pregnant princess.
1938658;1569621021;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: again this only in re ru planet, but there was measurable 'leakage' from 'pleb' to 'highwayman' , proportionate to how screamingly retarded was the crown at given time
1938659;1569621024;mp_en_viaje;the other case will result in retching bootlicker
1938660;1569621026;asciilifeform;iirc even in england was similar
1938661;1569621033;mp_en_viaje;this was not leakage.
1938662;1569621048;mp_en_viaje;there's similarly no leakage from earth into radon.
1938663;1569621051;asciilifeform;from crown pov 'leakage'
1938664;1569621055;mp_en_viaje;yes well.
1938665;1569621057;asciilifeform;but i think i see what mp_en_viaje meant
1938666;1569621077;mp_en_viaje;brigands ~stable percentile. much like niggers.
1938667;1569621167;mp_en_viaje;http://trilema.com/2016/honor-societies-vs-respect-societies-or-how-the-disaster-of-commons-sunk-the-western-world/ hides it, because when it's cheaper to make a thing than to steal the thing nobody can be arsed. but a thing hidden's not a thing disappeared.
1938668;1569621176;asciilifeform;for 'lively' son of peasant, as i understand 2 'radiodecay' paths, 1 to brigand, 1 to 'kulak' (of whom, seems , was also 'stable %' historically)
1938669;1569621194;asciilifeform;( iguess could even say 1 is 'special case' of other )
1938670;1569621236;mp_en_viaje;none of these, notably, followed some kinda choice.
1938671;1569621249;*;asciilifeform suspects that 'there is no magick' and all of these followed standard predator-prey equilibriae -- but not expert.
1938672;1569621260;mp_en_viaje;the epitomic "kulak" is, eminently, http://trilema.com/2015/the-pawnbroker/ ; his monologue tells it all. eminently absent from there, any delusion of "choice"
1938673;1569621284;mp_en_viaje;which is what makes in the end the difference : out of the cuck-mediated cuntspawn, some minotity sheds the "choice" delusion.
1938674;1569621293;asciilifeform;'thermodynamics proposes, kinetics disposes'(tm)(r), 'choice' aint the operative item
1938675;1569621306;mp_en_viaje;yet the delusion of choice is what makes the pleb.
1938676;1569621317;mp_en_viaje;and why permitting him to live his delusion is so deeply antisocial.
1938677;1569621342;mp_en_viaje;every single fucking brigand wil ltell the same story, of how he ~had to~.
1938678;1569621354;mp_en_viaje;and every single kulak doesn't tell the same story, of "what choice did i have".
1938679;1569621376;mp_en_viaje;meanwhile the remainder 98% sits there herpy-derping about http://trilema.com/2014/agency-and-other-notes/
1938680;1569621442;asciilifeform;'kulak' story is moar usually 'hey the derps keep showing up to borrow money, what, i shouldn't , why exactly? they wanna buy me a 5th horse, why not let'em'
1938681;1569621528;mp_en_viaje;precisely.
1938682;1569621533;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: seems to me that typical 'peasant delusion' is ~opposite~ , 'choice wat choice, i only know how to turnip'
1938683;1569621539;mp_en_viaje;he ~HAD~ to. because how the fuck not, she's right there and she forgot her clothes.
1938684;1569621565;mp_en_viaje;no, that's it. "turnipping doesn't work BUT I CHOOSE TO ANYWAY. BECAUSE IT MUST. BECAUSE I SAY SO. BECAUSE I AM GOD"
1938685;1569621576;asciilifeform;'am dog'
1938686;1569621584;mp_en_viaje;same thing.
1938687;1569621645;*;asciilifeform suspects that mp_en_viaje is right re 'fixed %' tho. but to run w/ the analogy, the radon does stay in the ground until you dig to the bedrock, so will in effect vary
1938688;1569621665;mp_en_viaje;of course the asswipe then disavows it. THEN disavows it. and even pretends like the then is "instantly". but it ain't fucking isntantly, there's a space. first he lies, then he disavows.
1938689;1569621684;asciilifeform;at whatever time some % of farmer 'know where out is' , but while the turnippin's good , sit put
1938690;1569621696;mp_en_viaje;quite so.
1938691;1569621707;mp_en_viaje;there's even a trilema piece re this i'm kinda too lazy to dig out
1938692;1569621728;asciilifeform;( then famine and suddenly you have a 800k man pugachev army 'outta nowhere!111' )
1938693;1569621757;mp_en_viaje;i suspect you might be confusing the polarities.
1938694;1569621763;asciilifeform;hm?
1938695;1569621788;mp_en_viaje;in my read, the pretender "army" / peasant horde was a #metoo movement. they were the idiots.
1938696;1569621821;asciilifeform;this model 100% afaik fits, e.g. muntzer . but less so in east orcistan imho.
1938697;1569621843;mp_en_viaje;~[http://trilema.com/2012/in-general-evreii-trec-drept-oameni-destepti/?b=Sabbatai&e=Zevi#select][sabbatai zevi] moment
1938698;1569621852;asciilifeform;i recall this 1
1938699;1569621855;asciilifeform;mega-piece
1938700;1569621913;asciilifeform;imho the operative diff is where zev/muntzer/huss/etc revolt with 'and manna will fall from heaven' ; whereas pugachev et al were straight cases of 'burn old moribund aristocrats and install selves in place'
1938701;1569621925;mp_en_viaje;but ~to do what~ ?
1938702;1569621944;mp_en_viaje;see ? that's where it classifies in my head. "to do as before" "dude... they're not doing '''as before''' not cuz they don't wanna, the port is sanded"
1938703;1569621948;mp_en_viaje;"no, IT MUST!!!"
1938704;1569621962;asciilifeform;to same thing as chingis han 'to what', 'see their women driven before me, hear the lamentations...'
1938705;1569621970;mp_en_viaje;i very much do not believe so.
1938706;1569621978;mp_en_viaje;let's take a mental experiment for a moment.
1938707;1569621986;*;asciilifeform prepares to take
1938708;1569621989;mp_en_viaje;suppose tomorrow the power turns off. that's it, just, no more grid.
1938709;1569622010;mp_en_viaje;now, suppose at this time word comes from on high that ... sorry... that's it. we don't know how to turn it back on.
1938710;1569622028;mp_en_viaje;at this juncture, there will be various "self-defense" "armies" "organized" across the realm.
1938711;1569622050;*;asciilifeform follows along, this is traditional picture...
1938712;1569622056;mp_en_viaje;the largest will consist of pugachev's men : "our programme is to go find where the main switch is, and flip it."
1938713;1569622069;mp_en_viaje;"dude... you think the world is like your basement ?" "yes" "it won't do anything." "NO IT MUST"
1938714;1569622086;asciilifeform;mno, that'd be clitler's battallion, rather than pugachev
1938715;1569622096;mp_en_viaje;admittedly i am not a master of medeival rus'
1938716;1569622101;mp_en_viaje;but it is my read, stunted as it may be.
1938717;1569622126;asciilifeform;lol beheaded in 1775
1938718;1569622143;mp_en_viaje;well... eastern medieval era lasts until 1907ish. no ?
1938719;1569622154;asciilifeform;but afaik d00d only cosmetically 'pretender', really -- a sort of 'mongol invader'
1938720;1569622169;asciilifeform;why maintained the cosmetic front, still afaik debated by archaeologists.
1938721;1569622188;mp_en_viaje;i dunno, to me he seems just a figurehead / sacrificial goat of a bunch ofretards looking for the main switch
1938722;1569622208;asciilifeform;'main switch' not , afaik, fully crystallized yet as concept, then.
1938723;1569622216;mp_en_viaje;"how to make it like before" "fukctards, what you're feeling is the portuguese getting a trade empire going FIVE CENTURIES AGO"
1938724;1569622238;mp_en_viaje;"wut" "motherfucker. the world your granpa lived in didn't in fact exist" "lies"
1938725;1569622254;mp_en_viaje;"he fucking imagiend it on the basis of his granpa. thing was dead like 1505." "omfg wut"
1938726;1569622261;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: this is a+++ model of 'america great again'(tm)(r) lulzcows aha
1938727;1569622270;mp_en_viaje;of pugachev great again also.
1938728;1569622288;asciilifeform;'bring back the planes' 'wat planes, war ended, this is island 8000km from humanity' 'gather straw, we'll make planes!11'
1938729;1569622308;*;asciilifeform less convinced, but unequipped to press the point while lacking working timemachine
1938730;1569622324;mp_en_viaje;not like it in the end matters, unless/until pugachev shows up demanding a rating.
1938731;1569622331;asciilifeform;lolyes
1938732;1569622340;mp_en_viaje;then we can just interview be done with it.
1938733;1569622349;asciilifeform;but imho still interesting, as neutrino was interesting before anyone knew how to catch 1
1938734;1569622377;mp_en_viaje;point remains : the hallucination of choice is the specific distinguisher between the plebs and the brigand/kulak/whatever, non-pleb.
1938735;1569622417;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: 'imagined choice' can drive the imaginer into walls, but is unclear to me that the walls move, or even get dirty as result
1938736;1569622418;mp_en_viaje;and it's a most informative and productive line of inquiry. there's a REASON the pleb projects choice upon those, and disavows his patently idiotic applcation of entirely imagined choice, and so on.
1938737;1569622434;mp_en_viaje;all it does is it makes a pleb.
1938738;1569622475;asciilifeform;'i'ma quit my job an' work as a wolf instead, will grow teeth as i practice' 'write back, say how it goes'
1938739;1569622486;mp_en_viaje;mno. that's not it.
1938740;1569622505;mp_en_viaje;it's this : "what i do doesn't work" "do something else then" "no." "well what ?" "it must."
1938741;1569622533;mp_en_viaje;"dude, it's not up to you." "yes it is." "wtf" "the dumb pleb always triumphs" "where the fuck did you see that ?" "on all anon graves"
1938742;1569622552;asciilifeform;well general lemay also [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2016-07-11#1501147]['it must'] eh
1938743;1569622552;snsabot;Logged on 2016-07-11 11:31:03 asciilifeform: in ideal picture, 'nobody would dare', as curtis lemay answered when told to put out his cigar lest he set off the fuel depot
1938744;1569622570;mp_en_viaje;very different thing.
1938745;1569622604;asciilifeform;dunno that so diff. recall the sphex wasp ? the 1 that will still run the 'walk to caterpillar, see if eggs in its spine hatched' even if entomologist removes the caterpillar.
1938746;1569622625;mp_en_viaje;what of it ?
1938747;1569622641;asciilifeform;all living things do certain amt of 'but it must'
1938748;1569622669;mp_en_viaje;pretty sure i actually had a spex on trilema, had a nest fulla spiders
1938749;1569622672;asciilifeform;cuz otherwise [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1938057][no amt of cpu enuff]
1938750;1569622673;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-25 21:52:01 mircea_popescu: for this reason any imanentization (ie, mapping of concepts into reality) will revolve around a "paradigm" / wilful blindness of some kind. "how could i not think of that" is always lulzy -- if you thought of everything your head would explode. and that's a literalism : if you somehow fit all states of its own emptiness into a glass it'd go boom.
1938751;1569622696;mp_en_viaje;anyway. yes all living things do a certain amount of "but it must". all livign things do a certain amiunt of excretion, also.
1938752;1569622704;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i recall the spiders. wasn't necessarily a sphex tho, there are other wasps that 'smarter' and will throw exception and stop looking for the caterpillar
1938753;1569622705;mp_en_viaje;to be a shithead, however, must do enough.
1938754;1569622743;asciilifeform;iirc sphex actually has a 'while(1) { ...' in him
1938755;1569622775;mp_en_viaje;well, what i recall is that it pulls the cricket (nfi, maybe some others do larvae) by the antenna
1938756;1569622781;mp_en_viaje;and if you cut those, it doesn't eg, drag by a leg.
1938757;1569622799;asciilifeform;this kinda thing is ubiquitous in the insects aha
1938758;1569622818;asciilifeform;'segfault : antenna not found'
1938759;1569622855;mp_en_viaje;they are pretty small.
1938760;1569622873;asciilifeform;the ants, however, interesting because in anthill there ~will~ be found some who can walk 'nonstandard' path.
1938761;1569622884;mp_en_viaje;was another thing, some other preditorial wasp, where it 1. drag to nest ; 2. inspect nest ; 3. deposit in nest.
1938762;1569622895;mp_en_viaje;but if during 2 you move it, then it resets at 1
1938763;1569622910;mp_en_viaje;can supposedly have it check the nest until it dies of starvation
1938764;1569622930;asciilifeform;while(1)!
1938765;1569623016;mp_en_viaje;anyway -- this was very fashionable i nthe 70s. but there's pretty serious problems with hoefstadter's critique of conceptualized consciousness
1938766;1569623020;mp_en_viaje;so it kinda fell out of fashion
1938767;1569623039;asciilifeform;it is interesting that wasp seems to lack 'rng'. asciilifeform does not know why, or what sorta evolutionary sense it makes.
1938768;1569623065;mp_en_viaje;this could be like saying "it's weird individual transistors lack rng"
1938769;1569623074;asciilifeform;given that the wasp is still around , evidently worx out.
1938770;1569623078;mp_en_viaje;right ?
1938771;1569623090;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: poor model, transistor, it's ~nuffin BUT rng when 'out of the box'
1938772;1569623090;mp_en_viaje;taken seriously, the objection becomes suddenly very weak.
1938773;1569623116;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, precisely. the "lacks rng" could very well be entirely artefact of perception.
1938774;1569623121;asciilifeform;right, asciilifeform's contention aint 'dafuq, this can't work' but 'well it clearly worx, i simply dun know precise mechanism'
1938775;1569623127;asciilifeform;entirely possib
1938776;1569623132;mp_en_viaje;how do you prove a number's not random anyway ?
1938777;1569623181;mp_en_viaje;which is why the discussion is carried in terms of choice. rather than in terms of "compulsion" or whatever.
1938778;1569623183;asciilifeform;wasp's natural env, incidentally, does not contain stealthy removers of caterpillars, afaik (they deposit'em in quite well concealed place)
1938779;1569623188;asciilifeform;unlike zoologist's box
1938780;1569623200;mp_en_viaje;im sure they have competitive predators, flies whatever
1938781;1569623221;asciilifeform;aha, and also vertical predators (afaik moar of the latter)
1938782;1569623275;asciilifeform;at any rate insect moar relies on 'horizontal' ('there's many wasps') 'rng', than 'vertical' ('if rnd()<0.99 then check_nest()' etc) rng.
1938783;1569623290;asciilifeform;i.e. the 'r/k' thing.
1938784;1569623324;asciilifeform;very easy for zoologist to laff at wasp, when he's a 'k' shaved ape
1938785;1569623346;mp_en_viaje;aha
1938786;1569623347;asciilifeform;wasp, when nests in his corpse, would laff right back, if he knew how.
1938787;1569623369;mp_en_viaje;or cared to
1938788;1569623374;*;asciilifeform on this merry note has to attend to meat : bbl
1938789;1569623379;mp_en_viaje;laters
1938790;1569624555;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-26#1938397 << here's the problem : these are all paper fortunes. paper fortunes are protected by naught besides the owner's willingness to endure hunger. argentina's future is so dim and its prospects so hopeless, there's ~0 incentive for argentine to liquidate rather than starve.
1938791;1569624556;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-26 19:02:08 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: As of 2013 through a bilateral treaty the shelter part of the arrangement went out. From where I'm sitting it is hard to tell which way the Argentine winds will push
1938792;1569624580;mp_en_viaje;so i don't expect uruguay market will ever find price. instead, the "properties" will just decay into the ground
1938793;1569624712;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-26#1938406 << in positive news, this is possibly the best thing for a human. each year with >500 miles on the odometer under age 50 adds 6 months of ~mobile~ life after age 70.
1938794;1569624713;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-26 19:17:45 BingoBoingo: Before investigating transit times it had probably been a good three months since I'd been inside a vehicle. Present tranportation costs consist of food calories above basal metabolic rate and a few cents a day in shoe/boot depreciation.
1938795;1569624731;mp_en_viaje;it makes a huge difference this, between being the 70yo who walks to the bar and the 70yo who can't leave the house.
1938796;1569624963;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-27#1938413 << entirely up to you, if it becomes costly or w/e, limit it
1938797;1569624963;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-27 04:37:33 spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-26#1938376 <-- hm. I suppose feedbot could do something along the lines of "talk (via PM) only to people who are already +v in the channels where bot is listening"; either way, there's currently no strict enforcement in place, I'll add something if/when it becomes necessary
1938798;1569625804;BingoBoingo;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-27#1938480 << This is what I was expecting. I regret not taking better notes up till now on the history of advertised prices, but there appears to be a steady march downwards. I publish a selection of sample properties again in three or six months.
1938799;1569625804;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-27 17:52:50 mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, very nice work ; but this seems untenable on the face. i mean, even the san francisco "premium" bezzleworld's been losing 2-3-5% a year, each year, since 2015 or so. and 2s and 3s ealirer, 5s and above these days, 2019 may well close more like 7%
1938800;1569625987;BingoBoingo;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-27#1938475 << The "conventional wisdom" passed around is that they haggle. I have not tested this myself.
1938801;1569625987;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-27 17:50:32 asciilifeform: they all seem to cost 1-1.5k $ / sq m., aha. tho BingoBoingo seems to have found that [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-26#1938394][they haggle] .
1938802;1569626040;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, i do expect it's going slowly down, yes.
1938803;1569626085;mp_en_viaje;in practical terms, that's the only available option ; real estate never drops suddenly, for deep and fundamental reasons sometimes superficiaslly touched in the logs. it's just not possible, like it's not possible to dream the unknown
1938804;1569626166;mp_en_viaje;and yes, haggle. but this is no joke : to match eg romania, they'd have to haggle to 10%. looksy :
1938805;1569626181;mp_en_viaje;https://www.olx.ro/oferta/promotie-noua-case-noi-duplex-in-dumbrava-tg-jiu-IDbNzpd.html#b6aa04dabc;promoted << newly built, 150sqm, 3 room, 70k euro (also negotiable, somewhat).
1938806;1569626248;mp_en_viaje;https://www.olx.ro/oferta/casa-teren-targu-jiu-super-ocazie-IDbwAPF.html#b6aa04dabc << old construction, 225sqm, 750sqm yard, 95k euro
1938807;1569626268;BingoBoingo;One nearby property I'd been watching since arrival finally sold after a flurry of listings once the price hit ~160,000USD. When I arrived it was listed around 200k. It had my attention for being a two bedroom house on an excellent corner with attached small commercial premises suitable for shingle hanging. Even after selling and becoming inhabited is still painted as a japanese restaurant.
1938808;1569626293;mp_en_viaje;https://www.olx.ro/oferta/vanzare-vila-la-4-km-de-targu-jiu-IDcHTl6.html#b6aa04dabc << 272 sqm, 5 year old, 115k eur. and so following,
1938809;1569626352;BingoBoingo;The problem of the Rio de la Plata is the people hold the opposite of the truth in the ways in which they are rich and poor.
1938810;1569626369;mp_en_viaje;the salient points : a) half the prices ; b) three times the area ; c) one fifth or less the age. i expect ro 2000s construction, for all its warts, is still infinitely better than ~1970s uy construction technology
1938811;1569626392;mp_en_viaje;now if yo ucombine a b and c you get a factor of about 10, by my lights.
1938812;1569626418;mp_en_viaje;and romania has fttd ~everywhere, 2-8mbps for 2-3-5 eur/mo
1938813;1569626583;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile Uruguay is stuck in Argenisanity's orbit until Argeninsanity starves
1938814;1569626650;mp_en_viaje;seems entirely possible
1938815;1569626666;mp_en_viaje;not like they'll magically learn how to build ust because the neighbour's goat died, either.
1938816;1569626689;BingoBoingo;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-27#1938736 << Uruguay's laws are such that they do have to liquidate before starving.
1938817;1569626689;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-27 19:34:55 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-26#1938397 << here's the problem : these are all paper fortunes. paper fortunes are protected by naught besides the owner's willingness to endure hunger. argentina's future is so dim and its prospects so hopeless, there's ~0 incentive for argentine to liquidate rather than starve.
1938818;1569626698;mp_en_viaje;i confess i am not at all impressed with the images on this particular score : they're all 1970s pure-sovoktech relics. it's directly visible, at least to the aculturated eye
1938819;1569626753;mp_en_viaje;they're not all that great capital goods. obviously immensely better than usgistani paper wasp atrocities, yes.
1938820;1569626807;mp_en_viaje;but the cost to own / cost to carry still a factor of 2 over what it coudl/should be with saner autoclaved cellular concrete filler and etcetera. whole poured concrete walls are for you know, river dams and things, wtf, heating that, preventing water seepage, it's a bundle.
1938821;1569626836;BingoBoingo;In my immediate surrounding they are primarily valued as potential footprints for future residential towers so long as that activity continues.
1938822;1569626885;mp_en_viaje;right. which... i can't imagine it will.
1938823;1569626908;mp_en_viaje;i mean taking the list, right ? 1st item is literally a ruin ; that item has central wall damage from uncontrolled water infiltration. it would be condemned in europe.
1938824;1569626922;mp_en_viaje;this isn't euroinsanity. the item is too far gone to be worth repairing, what.
1938825;1569626962;mp_en_viaje;2nd item i don't even know what to make of. seems someone literally poured some concrete, made a sort of post-wood outhouse. i dunno how it is even a house at all.
1938826;1569627009;mp_en_viaje;3rd item lacks entirely outside shots, which makes me suspect it's in a building that'd have been bombed in ww2, except it wasn't in active war theatre.
1938827;1569627034;mp_en_viaje;#4 is exactly what i was saying above, 70s sovokism
1938828;1569627056;mp_en_viaje;i bet you the doors use the copper keys we discussed at some point yeaes ago
1938829;1569627129;mp_en_viaje;#6 is again #3, early 1900s, possibly good enough to stand, but possibly terribad, will have to drill a wall to see wtf is even in there
1938830;1569627213;mp_en_viaje;how can 70sqm even contain 3 bedrooms ?! hermosa y luminosa my god, wtf, caragiale'd be happy.
1938831;1569627297;mp_en_viaje;in short : not a single one of the items there look to me like something that'd be acceptable to carry on books even if given freely ; if yo uowned them i'd insist you sell them.
1938832;1569627301;mp_en_viaje;this make any sense to you ?
1938833;1569627338;BingoBoingo;It makes tremendous sense.
1938834;1569627525;mp_en_viaje;i mean, even if someone gave you a free chevy vega -- it still wouldn't make economic sense to try and run it
1938835;1569627577;mp_en_viaje;or whatever, an edsel, etc
1938836;1569627913;mp_en_viaje;anyways, ima be back tomorro.
1938837;1569627933;BingoBoingo;I have a strong suspicion if the investigation move to poking around the interior of listed structures the project could have turned into strictly evaluating for the lot footprints as the tower builders do
1938838;1569629026;*;BingoBoingo strongly suspects Uruguay's construction industry peaked in the 1920s with Palacio Salvo
1938839;1569629143;BingoBoingo;The entire 1960 to 1990 span added ~0 to Montevideo's skyline as seen from roofs in the city
1938840;1569637851;asciilifeform;ACHTUNG, PANZERS! about to deploy new rev of bot. expect ~45sec of dead time.
1938841;1569638034;asciilifeform;!q help
1938842;1569638035;snsabot;asciilifeform: my valid commands are: src, uptime, seen-anywhere, help, s, version, seen
1938843;1569638037;asciilifeform;!q version
1938844;1569638038;snsabot;I am bot version 596907.
1938845;1569638051;asciilifeform;!q seen mp_en_viaje
1938846;1569638051;snsabot;mp_en_viaje last seen here on [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-27#1938782][2019-09-27 20:30:52]: anyways, ima be back tomorro.
1938847;1569638059;asciilifeform;!q seen-anywhere mats
1938848;1569638059;snsabot;mats last seen in #asciilifeform on [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-09-26#1000560][2019-09-26 16:35:48]: when i have something concrete to report it'll go into #t
1938849;1569638085;*;asciilifeform test of action line
1938850;1569638093;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-27#1938795
1938851;1569638093;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-27 23:20:25 asciilifeform: test of action line
1938852;1569638098;asciilifeform;^ nomoar 0x01 turdola
1938853;1569638127;asciilifeform;this (and merged in fix of reconnector) i think covers in
1938854;1569638140;asciilifeform;new ver. of reader.py laters. (and then will vpatch.)
1938855;1569638143;asciilifeform;!q uptime
1938856;1569638143;snsabot;asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 0d 0h 2m
1938857;1569638156;asciilifeform;oh and the crosspost thing is in:
1938858;1569638179;asciilifeform;e.g. : http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-27#1004190
1938859;1569638179;snsabot;(ossasepia) 2019-09-27 asciilifeform: maxim_mivo: it will have rack ears welded to it, if the hoster does not offer shelf
1938860;1569638189;asciilifeform;there.
1938861;1569638327;asciilifeform;this rev also knows how to echo lines of form : http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/1938795#1938795 , if we decide to go there in 'reader' re 'url problem' .
1938862;1569638328;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-27 23:20:25 asciilifeform: test of action line
1938863;1569638722;asciilifeform;there are also minor improvements to 'reader' , but these need moartest atm.
1938864;1569638738;asciilifeform;( i.e. not live on air yet )
1938865;1569639156;*;asciilifeform bbl
1938866;1569640731;lobbes;pretty cool asciilifeform
1938867;1569640749;lobbes;as soon as vpatch is out, I will deploy on my own logger as well
1938868;1569661947;mp_en_viaje;meanwhile in imperial efforts, https://www.worthofblog.com/best-ideas-for-blog-posts/
1938869;1569661950;mp_en_viaje;pcb design!
1938870;1569662006;mp_en_viaje;also self-defense and ghost hunting, of course.
1938871;1569666104;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-27#1938438 <-- re. fonts, also see http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-13#1935895 ; long story short, for all the "open font" claims, there's no (text!) sources for those, so I just included them base64'd, to reflect the blog entirely as it is now. can safely ignore them/remove them from css and blog'll still work.
1938872;1569666104;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-27 15:26:42 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-27#1938420 << spyked this is pretty interesting. is that a coupla 100kB of base64'd fontisms in there ? ( and, apparently buncha perl-genned ???! in 1 of the cl libs ?! )
1938873;1569666104;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-13 05:21:11 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-07#1934834 <-- why ty! well, I'll have to remove the fonts from the theme when I genesize thetarpit, because binary.
1938874;1569666104;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-27 11:50:01 feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y06/0a3-thetarpit-lbs-genesis.html << The Tar Pit -- The Tar Pit Lisp Blog Scaffolding genesis
1938875;1569666213;spyked;if anyone wants to remove this or the cl-ppcre crap, will happily sign vpatch; thing was written in my "CL childhood" years, so it comes with quite a bit of kludge
1938876;1569666504;spyked;in other other news, /me has caught a minor cold and will administer some "leacuri babesti" to take care of himself. bbl
1938877;1569666927;spyked;http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-27#1938807 <-- this is srsly awesome, btw. but from what I see, link redirects to http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log#1938795 instead of http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-27#1938795 ?
1938878;1569666928;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-27 23:20:25 asciilifeform: test of action line
1938879;1569666928;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-27 23:40:15 asciilifeform: this rev also knows how to echo lines of form : http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/1938795#1938795 , if we decide to go there in 'reader' re 'url problem' .
1938880;1569666928;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-27 23:20:25 asciilifeform: test of action line
1938881;1569676666;asciilifeform;spyked: 'reader.py' not supports this form yet
1938882;1569682651;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/a-services-eco-nomy/ << Trilema -- A services eco-nomy
1938883;1569690917;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/09/former-danzhou-mayor-relieved-of-13-5-tons-of-gold-and-268-billion-yuan-after-anti-corruption-investigation/ << Qntra -- Former Danzhou Mayor Relieved Of 13.5 Tons Of Gold and 268 Billion Yuan After Anti-Corruption Investigation
1938884;1569690932;BingoBoingo;^ In China happenings
1938885;1569690983;BingoBoingo;Hainan, bigger than Alibaba or Tencent
1938886;1569691481;asciilifeform;ACHTUNG, PANZERS! [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3452][logotron tree] updated! all changes are live !
1938887;1569691492;asciilifeform;see readme.txt re detailed list.
1938888;1569691659;asciilifeform;'tape' knob i realized is unusable shortly after cut patch, it needs to be rewritten so as to give 'last N' , rather than using start/end index from the earlier raw-log knob
1938889;1569691677;asciilifeform;given as indices are per-chan
1938890;1569691719;asciilifeform;i'ma fix it later in the week if no one else does.
1938891;1569691777;asciilifeform;'action' lines nao properly colourized.
1938892;1569691802;asciilifeform;double-quotes in search prevent query breakup (but not yet force word-boundary match)
1938893;1569691839;asciilifeform;up/down arrows in displayer (really only useful on pocket comps and other exotic terminals, but asciilifeform sometimes uses) go to start/end of page
1938894;1569691847;asciilifeform;aand the new bot. that's pretty much it.
1938895;1569692039;asciilifeform;!q uptime
1938896;1569692040;snsabot;asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 0d 15h 0m
1938897;1569734291;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, lulzy [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2018-08-26#1844727][usgistani rag] you got there!
1938898;1569734291;snsabot;Logged on 2018-08-26 11:09:26 mircea_popescu: finally! let's make the links : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-13#1643192 <-> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-16#1644834 <-> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-05#1666048 (note how correct figure was ~40k not 50k, but w/e, rounding).
1938899;1569734293;mp_en_viaje;; also hey asciilifeform : http://archive.is/ipDDz
1938900;1569734755;BingoBoingo;I find the scale of the China drama more humiliating for the US than anything else.
1938901;1569734902;BingoBoingo;With their years in the white house, senate, etc... Did the Clintons pull better than some mayor on the other side of the Pacific?
1938902;1569734999;mp_en_viaje;nope. are you fucking kiddiong me, epic lulz like [https://uawinvestigation.com/]["uaw investigation"] revolve around piddly ~million~ spent on personal luxuries. what the fuck, a mn worth of luxuries, really ? so like... a bathroom ?
1938903;1569735040;mp_en_viaje;hoffa made out better than the entire pile-up of contemporary usgistani bureaucrats.
1938904;1569735085;mp_en_viaje;crime doesn't pay ; and working for the socialists is the capital crime.
1938905;1569735202;BingoBoingo;It also highlights how damn poor the US is
1938906;1569735300;mp_en_viaje;speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2014-12-02#940849 ; possibly the best compressed illustration of "why ancient, what's wrong with modern" could be had reviewing the phonetis of [http://63.80.184.72/blog/conspiracy_theories.html#fn2][hoi polloi]. so : it was  [hoi polloi] in the ancient world, with gemminated l and everyting else good right and proper. it's... well, it's [i poˈli] these days, because "do we still have to DO th
1938907;1569735300;a111;Logged on 2014-12-02 00:25 gernika: Well, first I have to learn Greek.  Then Latin.
1938908;1569735300;mp_en_viaje;at" and assorted nonsense.
1938909;1569735332;mp_en_viaje;modern greek "no longer needs" the glottal stop h, nor does it use double-l's for anything, it's "progressed past that, see". sounds like lazy dogs talking, also, but that's ok -- everyone's a dog anyway rite ?
1938910;1569735356;mp_en_viaje;(except, of course, for cyprus, this republica moldova slash sicily of the greek world. there, still geminated. )
1938911;1569735376;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, also highlights where the gold supposedly in new york actually is.
1938912;1569735457;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: The outside outlets that ought to be hammering this story are all incredibly silent in English.
1938913;1569735498;mp_en_viaje;well for one thing, it's an ~indepedent~ "corruption investigation" aka beheading. the "only socialism that could be" gets nothing from it
1938914;1569735508;mp_en_viaje;so they don't understand "how the news relates to them"
1938915;1569735633;BingoBoingo;Well, I plan to use this as the go to link in the future when US Pantsuits get busted while poor. Like this guy http://qntra.net/2019/09/kkkalifornia-pantsuitist-ed-buck-arrested-after-victim-escapes-lair/
1938916;1569735864;mp_en_viaje;no but he had fun, see. that's the important part. "Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where thieves break in and steal." yes ? pile up treasures in "heaven", which in the anglican/protestant/derpitarian/whatever tradition no longer means the popish plot, of course, but still means something experimentially-ridiculous.
1938917;1569735907;mp_en_viaje;so buck the tard built himself up treasures in heaven as indicated by his self-disavowing pedestrian restatement of catolicism as some poor scottish farmers could best manage to restate latin cancer.
1938918;1569735938;mp_en_viaje;he fucked a buncha crackwhores or w/e it is he did, he "had experiences". that's the important metaphisical, yes ? experiences ? having experienced ?
1938919;1569735965;mp_en_viaje;a treasure trove of prescriped goodness nobody inexplciably seems to envy him. so what is there to write about ?
1938920;1569736056;mp_en_viaje;if the world came to its senses, if i engaged tards on their own terms, if parents lived their lives such that they're comprehensible to children, if china correctly saw the incredible importance of ustarded delusions... then maybe they could write about it. but as it is ?!
1938921;1569736128;mp_en_viaje;actually, is my point here coming through or do i have to restate it ?
1938922;1569736197;BingoBoingo;I think it's coming through.
1938923;1569736242;BingoBoingo;Buck fellow was a good Calvinist, and surprisingly active for a pre-ordained
1938924;1569736289;mp_en_viaje;they ~all are, actually. their bizarro cvasi-religion, poorly formulated and even less considered, is for these sins nevertheless very deeply implanted.
1938925;1569736550;mp_en_viaje;what they do, "complex" and "inexplicable" as they might like to pretend it, nevertheless can be very well predicted on a decerebrated read of the medieval catholics. basically calvin was the original hollywood, writting really stupid [http://trilema.com/2016/there-has-not-yet-been-seen-a-simple-thing-even-if-were-drowning-in-simple-people/][yet simple] stories for a certain kind of [http://trilema.com/2019/fracture/#footnote_1_
1938926;1569736550;mp_en_viaje;86329][orphan].
1938927;1569736650;mp_en_viaje;and the annoying part is that i can't apparently find now where i discussed in detail the relationship between "noir" as the form of cinematic expression and the sadness of abandoned counterfit-urban male youth (not REALLY urban because [http://trilema.com/2019/counterfit-romania/][too new], like in new york).
1938928;1569736707;mp_en_viaje;there's the two liner above linked ; there's another one line in a discussion of [http://trilema.com/2018/the-naked-city/?b=the%20overbearing&e=general#select][another film]. but i clearly remember taking the time to discuss this over paragraphs, i just don't remember where the fuck
1938929;1569736796;BingoBoingo;I'm going to grab some sleep and see if it shakes out any recollection of where that may be hiding.
1938930;1569737041;mp_en_viaje;nighty
1938931;1569737450;mp_en_viaje;a no, actuaslly, it IS fracture. just cut up in two footnotes.
1938932;1569738125;*;mp_en_viaje had been reading what's apparently [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log-search?q=f%3Agernika&chan=trilema][some 2016 drifter]'s rather extensive homespun copy. includes log with [http://63.80.184.72/shared/logs/2017/12/15.log.html#1513364563][personally relevant tidbits of 2017 vintage] and so on.
1938933;1569738325;mp_en_viaje;occasional gems [http://trilema.com/2017/il-burbero/][in the celentano vein] (played straight, too!), like "The past year has been a year of failures for me. I failed to persuade any of my old friends about any of my strongly held beliefs concerning morality, politics, and economics. Not only did I fail to persuade them, I failed to maintain them as friends." ; otherwise [http://63.80.184.72/blog/chai.html][apparently] likes cha
1938934;1569738325;mp_en_viaje;i an' uses it to learn greek because reading trilema's changed his life for the better.
1938935;1569738336;mp_en_viaje;anyone actually knew about this all along / from before ?
1938936;1569746341;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-27#1931399 << this was meanwhile found : http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-04-03#1906696
1938937;1569746341;snsabot;Logged on 2019-08-27 11:43:20 mircea_popescu: i specificalty recall describing this situation in munchen whereby i took cab driver all over bars, trying to find some with decent seating, didn't find any, at end dude was like "well, there's no more left on the list, you have to sit here" and i was like "bitch, i dun have to anything"
1938938;1569746341;snsabot;Logged on 2019-04-03 15:41:03 mp_en_viaje: but anyway, what the fuck is wrong with picking the prestige coffee house of the town for your bitcoin meet ?
1938939;1569753122;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/the-problem-of-complexity/ << Trilema -- The problem of complexity.
1938940;1569766868;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1938845 << ty mp_en_viaje , found culprit: [http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=mghm][a built-in idjicy] in the pythonism that asciilifeform used to implement doublequotes. i'ma have to rewrite that mechanism.
1938941;1569766869;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-29 02:03:59 mp_en_viaje: ; also hey asciilifeform : http://archive.is/ipDDz
1938942;1569766889;asciilifeform;( observe that [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log-search?q=finally!+let%27s+make+the+links&chan=trilema][folx running the prev. version of 'reader' are unaffected]
1938943;1569766892;asciilifeform;)
1938944;1569766963;*;asciilifeform observes that 9 times outta 10 this is what 'oh hey there's a library knob for this?' leads to...
1938945;1569767267;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1938854 << and 'pre-classical' greeks had the digamma... and the classical folx already had a silent iota in various dipthongs, previously voiced per archaeologists. also 'lazy dog' ? ( where lived the non-lazy dog, in stone age ? )
1938946;1569767267;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-29 02:21:18 mp_en_viaje: modern greek "no longer needs" the glottal stop h, nor does it use double-l's for anything, it's "progressed past that, see". sounds like lazy dogs talking, also, but that's ok -- everyone's a dog anyway rite ?
1938947;1569767318;asciilifeform;this is btw a long-standing q in asciilifeform's head -- wai is it that lang knobs only ever seem to ~fall off~ in archaeologically-visible period. almost as if they were only formed in 'supernovae' of some sort, and then afterwards only decay
1938948;1569767335;asciilifeform;errybody seems to only ever ~lose~ sounds (and cases, and...) never ~gain~
1938949;1569767528;*;asciilifeform has been slowly eating greeks for a while, and the (sovok) texts take special care to rub this in, and asciilifeform finds interesting
1938950;1569767574;asciilifeform;i can easily see where ideas like [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2018-01-07#1766250][this] may've come from
1938951;1569767575;snsabot;Logged on 2018-01-07 09:46:50 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-07#1766211 << the classical j00z have the 'past is moar important' jumpers set to max: iirc they have a 'the further we get from moses, the moar of god-given wisdom is lost', i.e. nonrenewable resource.
1938952;1569767718;asciilifeform;erry lang asciilifeform ever bothered to study, when dug found that it lost sounds over all recorded span (with the eventual, if delayed, loss of the glyphs that represented'em)
1938953;1569767764;asciilifeform;ru and jp in fact in quite recent (300-400y) period
1938954;1569767890;asciilifeform;( in the former, most famous case, 'Война и мiръ' turned into 'Война и мир' by decree of lenin, but the 'i' had already stopped being phonetic 200+y prior )
1938955;1569768026;asciilifeform;and of course ye olde ѣ . lenin gets the credit/blame for the cuts, but 5 successive monarchs in fact proposed to cut the dead glyphs, each time ran into opposition from 'ohnoez, ornament of the language!111' academicians
1938956;1569768145;asciilifeform;( for folx who aint archaeologists -- 'ѣ' ended up turned into 100% 'е', but at one pt was a distinctly elongated æː )
1938957;1569768203;asciilifeform;ro cyrillic variant had it. ( bulgaria -- till end of ww2 )
1938958;1569768480;asciilifeform;not even clear to me that the 'decay' is necessarily disaster -- do indo-european folx miss the 15 declensions of finnish ? ( has e.g. 'into', 'out of', buncha other 'extras' cases )
1938959;1569768521;asciilifeform;ro's vocative, if modern text is anyffin to go by, is 'falling off' just as ru's fell off
1938960;1569768536;*;asciilifeform bbl,meat
1938961;1569769496;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, what's the problem with having a consonant equivalent upsilon ?
1938962;1569769514;mp_en_viaje;latin kept it, as f.
1938963;1569770040;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1938894 << the way to gain such is the same way as gaining [http://trilema.com/2014/how-i-was-wrong-cuckolding-or-a-story-about-sigmas/?b=You%20see&e=first%20place#select][a lot of new children]. if the russians stayed in berlin -- but for reals, not just one quickie rape passing throiugh, then modern eastern german'd conceivably have been as sluttily hybridized as phoenician-dri
1938964;1569770040;mp_en_viaje;ven mycenian greek
1938965;1569770040;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-29 11:17:57 asciilifeform: has been slowly eating greeks for a while, and the (sovok) texts take special care to rub this in, and asciilifeform finds interesting
1938966;1569770095;mp_en_viaje;that'd be the supernova : 1. go in, 2. kill all the dudes 3. chain all the women nude to poles, let the kids crawl out of them come to terms with the megalanguage.
1938967;1569770122;mp_en_viaje;of course, this can't happen if you have writing, that'll preserve the two as distinct rather than creatively merge them to save on memory space
1938968;1569770256;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1938903 << not all loss is disaster, of course not. but the same argument as contemplated in http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1938852 is seen in "o look at linux, lost init, now systemd".
1938969;1569770256;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-29 11:33:48 asciilifeform: not even clear to me that the 'decay' is necessarily disaster -- do indo-european folx miss the 15 declensions of finnish ? ( has e.g. 'into', 'out of', buncha other 'extras' cases )
1938970;1569770256;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-29 02:20:46 mp_en_viaje: speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2014-12-02#940849 ; possibly the best compressed illustration of "why ancient, what's wrong with modern" could be had reviewing the phonetis of [http://63.80.184.72/blog/conspiracy_theories.html#fn2][hoi polloi]. so : it was  [hoi polloi] in the ancient world, with gemminated l and everyting else good right and proper. it's... well, it's [i poˈli] these days, because "do we stil
1938971;1569770679;mp_en_viaje;talking of the matter "in general", as of loss in principle, "he lost some shit off the sole of the boot" not at all the same as loss of the very boot. "but mp, where's the shit end and the boot begin ???" "shut it."
1938972;1569770701;mp_en_viaje;and damn, now i can't find the joke in the log anymore ;/ "don't worry, itll fall off once it dries"
1938973;1569771348;asciilifeform;i was gonna share a crackpot model of the item but mp_en_viaje already hinted that he has same 1
1938974;1569771354;asciilifeform;for thread-completeness tho :
1938975;1569771386;asciilifeform;consider what other natural object follows 'damn these only ever break apart, but for most of recorded hist we never saw'em get bigger' : nucleus
1938976;1569771443;asciilifeform;suppose typical shaved ape can only 'lift' so-much lang -- ~4 cases, ~20-30 phonemes, ~4 tenses, roughly. so, per model, 'heavies' form from inelastic collisions of 'stables'. 'lights' -- from elastic collisions.
1938977;1569771464;asciilifeform;observe that 'ultraheavies' e.g. the finns tend to only survive in geo-isolates
1938978;1569771484;asciilifeform;where there aint a chingis han to come an' take a hammer to'em
1938979;1569771518;asciilifeform;'ultralights', the jungle men, ditto, they dun have enuff 'temperature' to 'fuse' into sumthing like what civilized folx speak
1938980;1569771522;mp_en_viaje;this argument works for anything but phonetics.
1938981;1569771535;mp_en_viaje;a "simpler" language is not in fact simpler.
1938982;1569771555;asciilifeform;'simpler' is possib. wrong word. speaking here of macroscopic part count.
1938983;1569771561;mp_en_viaje;the reason every balkan country mocked the shit out of the greeks throughout late antiquity and middle ages was PRECISELY their dropping of the waw.
1938984;1569771572;mp_en_viaje;"these people sound like retarded preschoolers with a lisp"
1938985;1569771580;asciilifeform;that digamma , right
1938986;1569771608;mp_en_viaje;there's about six to twelve vowels and about eighteen to twenty-something consonants that are naturally available in the mouth
1938987;1569771633;mp_en_viaje;you can make slight movements, turning everything an eight one way or the other ; you can put more focus on labials or africates and less on velars of w/e.
1938988;1569771652;*;asciilifeform did work through the 'mendeleev table' of these in kindergarten, aha
1938989;1569771662;mp_en_viaje;but by and large, losing major lines is an unmitigated loss. english appears in no small part retarded because, phonetically, it utilizes poorly the available spoace
1938990;1569771711;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: also from getting a foreign alphabet welded to it , kazah-style, and the users lacking the spark of life to fucking fix it
1938991;1569771714;mp_en_viaje;classical greek and to a large degree republican latin appear so dignified because the balance's good. modern italian similarly, have you heard a civilised older male speak italian ? it instantly connotes all the things anglos want and can
1938992;1569771724;mp_en_viaje;t get, "gentleman and scholar". even if he;'s a waiter
1938993;1569771799;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i cannot disagree. observed, tho, that even the utmost classical greeks were already spewing out loose neutrons, if you will, per model
1938994;1569771804;mp_en_viaje;insanely obscure folk sicilian, while deeply irrelevant culturally, is still rewarding enough one wants to figure out wtf is mp's quote maritari bs even about. meanwhile quite interesting culturally hungarian fails to interest anyone -- and this mostly because terrible notation connotes horrible phonetic balance (which isn't even the case)
1938995;1569771840;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, greeks got [http://trilema.com/2018/democracy-sucks-the-two-thousand-four-hundred-and-change-years-old-version/][democracy early], fucked them up good.
1938996;1569771855;asciilifeform;the orig 'zombie apocalypse' aha
1938997;1569771873;asciilifeform;the 1st one, that is, pre-demoocracies, where the minoans bit it
1938998;1569771906;mp_en_viaje;though the discussion as carries elides the important point : excellent speaking helenists existed throughout the history.
1938999;1569771928;mp_en_viaje;just as here : i will bring forth "elided" from the pits of "wtf, that's not even english!!!" because the phrase needs and demands it.
1939000;1569771938;mp_en_viaje;even in english, most ravines can be bridged.
1939001;1569771955;asciilifeform;( to run w/ the model -- homeric era folx, 'well-balanced', get a load of red hot 'sea men' pirate spoodge right up arse, and new 'heavier' lang forms, then proceeds to 'lazy dogs' leprosy-shed pieces, then... rinse, repeat )
1939002;1569771995;mp_en_viaje;this is amusing because the most fucked of the greeks (in cyprus) got allegedly the better greek.
1939003;1569772010;mp_en_viaje;sardinian's defo more interesting than contemporary french ; and so following.
1939004;1569772049;asciilifeform;in asciilifeform's model, looking only at 'stable' rather than 'better' (in whatever measure, e.g. the 1 where english is fucking ~impossible to write quality lit , not even speaking of poem, or unambiguous argument, etc. in )
1939005;1569772055;mp_en_viaje;http://www.angelfire.com/rings/homeless/chapters/74_80_Beginning.html << meanwhile in so-bad-it-samusing jewfictions.
1939006;1569772071;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, but stable in whose mouth /
1939007;1569772126;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: in mouth of 'scholar' just about anyffin can be 'stable', as in your quality italians. even oddball conlangs. recall the tears of the folx who made up 1945 hebrew when their spawn started speaking it tho.
1939008;1569772139;mp_en_viaje;this neatly doubles the "[http://trilema.com/2014/modern-medicine-and-the-benefits-of-democracy/][great progress of ourdemocracy] -- life expectancy". if you inflation-fudge the data to include babies, you get the numbers you want ; but if you don't you end up with much better everything, by letting most kids die rather than carrying them on the books pointelliottly.
1939009;1569772143;asciilifeform;in mouth of redditus, possibly aint even such a thing as 'stable nucleus'
1939010;1569772195;asciilifeform;arguably medieval latin was a deliberate attempt at 'stable for scholars'
1939011;1569772200;asciilifeform;still -- drifted.
1939012;1569772220;mp_en_viaje;do you believe "life expectancy" is better for you now than was for seneca ?
1939013;1569772247;asciilifeform;fuckno (and noshit) , mp_en_viaje described this imho 100% correctly in linked piece
1939014;1569772260;mp_en_viaje;so then -- not drifted.
1939015;1569772275;mp_en_viaje;if that didn't drift, why do you think this did. needs some heavy argyments.
1939016;1569772302;asciilifeform;the meat drifts pretty slowly.
1939017;1569772320;mp_en_viaje;did bitcoin drift because a buncha idiots do whatever the hell ?
1939018;1569772325;mp_en_viaje;who are you going to sample ?
1939019;1569772372;mp_en_viaje;i'm not even proposing a closed form solution here ; but it seems to me that elementarily even english works ok in my hands, and in general the discussion will be more a matter of how you do your sampling than of anything else.
1939020;1569772390;asciilifeform;as asciilifeform sees it, almost definitionally 'civilization' as in written , organized culture, is attempt to stall the drift.
1939021;1569772421;asciilifeform;is why even in simple man-made tooling gotta have 'written standards'. otherwise result is pythonism etc.
1939022;1569772462;asciilifeform;the natural process being stalled, is what was speaking of.
1939023;1569772476;mp_en_viaje;the natural process of reversion to the mean ?!
1939024;1569772496;asciilifeform;of reversion to 'what fits in turnip head' mean aha.
1939025;1569772502;mp_en_viaje;this then is uncontroversial : wind blows. on a long enough timespan, all man made things revert.
1939026;1569772535;mp_en_viaje;your capitol shall be pasture again, look on his wonders and despair, etc.
1939027;1569772536;asciilifeform;the imho interesting aspect was trying to pry open is, from where comes the larger items from which then decay.
1939028;1569772564;asciilifeform;i suspect mp_en_viaje's [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1938911][formulation] is equivalent to mine.
1939029;1569772564;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-29 12:00:43 mp_en_viaje: that'd be the supernova : 1. go in, 2. kill all the dudes 3. chain all the women nude to poles, let the kids crawl out of them come to terms with the megalanguage.
1939030;1569772576;mp_en_viaje;from [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-17#1937062][the pike].
1939031;1569772576;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-17 15:22:21 mircea_popescu: and pike changed society from matriarchy to patriarchy, because provided effectual control to female wail behaviour : poking with sharpened stick.
1939032;1569772603;asciilifeform;the pike, the axe, the sword
1939033;1569772622;mp_en_viaje;Nici Afrodita, cea in solduri lata, nici Joe cu alaiul lui ceresc nu s-au ivit din bolta instelata, ci dintr-o amfora cu vin grecesc ; voi, moralisti ilustri, ginditu-v-ati vreunul ca opere eterne, antume si postume, n-ar fi luat fiinta de n-ar fi fost pe lume femeia, treponema, alcoolul si tutunul ?
1939034;1569772643;asciilifeform;'axe-time, sword-time, shields a'sundered, wind-time, wolf-time...'(tm)(r)(elder eda)
1939035;1569772799;*;asciilifeform bbl:moarmeat
1939036;1569773201;mp_en_viaje;!q later tell thimbronion you know your blog is still broken, click for instance on any comment or title link from http://thimbron.com/2016/08/
1939037;1569773201;snsabot;mp_en_viaje: my valid commands are: src, uptime, seen-anywhere, help, s, version, seen
1939038;1569773207;mp_en_viaje;!Qlater tell thimbronion you know your blog is still broken, click for instance on any comment or title link from http://thimbron.com/2016/08/
1939039;1569773207;lobbesbot;mp_en_viaje: The operation succeeded.
1939040;1569786299;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/09/usg-week-in-review-trump-ukraine-biden-phone-impeachment-trap/ << Qntra -- USG Week In Review: Trump, Ukraine, Biden, Phone, Impeachment, Trap
1939041;1569786939;mp_en_viaje;epic.
1939042;1569787333;BingoBoingo;tyvm
1939043;1569787374;BingoBoingo;Had to get the taste of yesterday's news out of my head
1939044;1569787547;mp_en_viaje;they're doing lulzy desperations on the tv too, "historic week interviews with pelosi's daughter" and assorted festivist nonsense.
1939045;1569787574;mp_en_viaje;i hope everyone got all the democrat voting they wanted to do out of their system already, because with the bidden clan gone there's literally nothing left. that was their last functional moneyraising center.
1939046;1569787632;mp_en_viaje;turn't off da robinette
1939047;1569787694;BingoBoingo;All they have left are the HR departments
1939048;1569787776;mp_en_viaje;those contribute to costs.
1939049;1569787781;BingoBoingo;And the assorted non-profit awareness drummers about to rot on the vine when the spigot stops
1939050;1569787787;mp_en_viaje;aha.
1939051;1569787855;BingoBoingo;I suspect the HR departments last a bit longer than the drummers for reasons of Indian caste and tribal loyalties.
1939052;1569787891;BingoBoingo;And for the absence of a professional managerial class in the US
1939053;1569788039;BingoBoingo;http://trilema.com/2015/who-made-this/ << iirc someone was looking for this Trilema recently
1939054;1569790727;billymg;mp_en_viaje: "I want to add here a link to that "they live meaningless lives" cartoon thing, which is already in the footnote of a relevant Trilema piece, which of course I can't find." << http://trilema.com/2014/that-aint-the-maslow-pyramid-yo/ and http://trilema.com/2014/fred-quimby-and-ancient-evils/#identifier_5_53722
1939055;1569790761;billymg;came across the first link recently so it was still fresh in the browser history
1939056;1569790927;BingoBoingo;billymg: Nice find!
1939057;1569791203;mp_en_viaje;billymg, ty!
1939058;1569791432;billymg;it's a good comic, i sent it to my pet recently when she protested that my expectations were too high
1939059;1569794258;mp_en_viaje;o hai diana_coman !
1939060;1569794276;mp_en_viaje;meanwhike in pre-reich german : https://www.ifz-muenchen.de/heftarchiv/1980_3_4_reynolds.pdf
1939061;1569794291;diana_coman;hello mp_en_viaje !
1939062;1569794294;mp_en_viaje;(approx -- these whores & cunts are bad news, only men can be loving & trustworthy!)
1939063;1569794388;mp_en_viaje;i think he even says prostate.
1939064;1569794478;BingoBoingo;!!invoice mats 0.01362880 100gb Disk UY1 Annual
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1939067;1569794514;BingoBoingo;!!v 8E5A2892F64006511F846A33F768D209235341FF8F0F935B5172504FACAE19A7
1939068;1569794518;deedbot;Invoiced mats 0.01362880 << 100gb Disk UY1 Annual
1939069;1569794525;BingoBoingo;!!invoice bvt 0.002 Shared Hosting Monthly
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1939071;1569794551;*;diana_coman is eating up logs
1939072;1569794565;BingoBoingo;!!v 43A3C3D924373223FF5518CB1CCC60A78D91E065C11332951647AC355EC3174B
1939073;1569794569;deedbot;Invoiced bvt 0.002 << Shared Hosting Monthly
1939074;1569794581;BingoBoingo;!!invoice trinque 0.01641652 Colocation + Shared August 2019
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1939076;1569794615;BingoBoingo;!!v 30FF71314D5934C7708A9057C877632251E1D937B0D0D1DA247340633886AFCC
1939077;1569794618;deedbot;Invoiced trinque 0.01641652 << Colocation + Shared August 2019
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1939083;1569794790;deedbot;BingoBoingo canceled trinque invoice 15
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1939086;1569794837;BingoBoingo;!!v 8E64EA77565B0F0F916EC45770F2267A8FB528B4A1C68D3689C134FCD7964C5E
1939087;1569794840;deedbot;Invoiced trinque 0.01641652 << Colocation + Shared September 2019
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1939090;1569794882;BingoBoingo;!!v 54A34FEA69609AD4D8301D779A3A62B114B3D6D29EE8D8067ADBDBF502934C90
1939091;1569794885;deedbot;Invoiced jurov 0.01441652 << TBF Colocation September 2019
1939092;1569795844;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile in local news: https://www.montevideo.com.uy/Noticias/La-Policia-incauto-un-subfusil-calibre-45-en-el-Cerrito-de-la-Victoria-uc731214
1939093;1569795872;diana_coman;!!up thimbronion
1939094;1569795873;deedbot;thimbronion voiced for 30 minutes.
1939095;1569795879;BingoBoingo;"se trataría de un subfusil, posiblemente Cal. 45, sin numeración ni marca, solo se distingue una impresión en el mismo con las letras CCT y contenía 5 municiones"
1939096;1569795898;diana_coman;thimbronion: go ahead
1939097;1569795901;asciilifeform;billymg: lol! loox like cross breed b/w 'tec9' and schmeisser ??
1939098;1569795904;asciilifeform;dafuq is that
1939099;1569795946;asciilifeform;err, BingoBoingo
1939100;1569795956;thimbronion;mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1938983 << fixed
1939101;1569795956;lobbesbot;thimbronion: Sent 6 hours and 19 minutes ago: <mp_en_viaje> you know your blog is still broken, click for instance on any comment or title link from http://thimbron.com/2016/08/
1939102;1569795957;ossabot;Logged on 2019-09-29 13:08:24 mp_en_viaje: !Qlater tell thimbronion you know your blog is still broken, click for instance on any comment or title link from http://thimbron.com/2016/08/
1939103;1569795983;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I suspect home-ish made, maybe off plans from te late Paladin Press
1939104;1569795989;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: observe , no muzzle break, either , dollars to doughnuts 'plumbing shop' build
1939105;1569796089;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: just about 100% a basement-built , fire-from-open-bolt design ( these are Officially proscribed in usa even when half-auto , so unlikely to be industrially-baked )
1939106;1569796136;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: lacking the gas brake, most of salvo is likely to end up in ceiling. hasty, shoddy work.
1939107;1569796159;BingoBoingo;Well, this isn't the US. Could be a Brasilero or Paraguayo product of Jungle Industry. Or could be Industria Defensa de Argentina
1939108;1569796192;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: rright but for some reason most of the brasil people build vaguely to usa spec, historically
1939109;1569796241;asciilifeform;kinda like that samsung air conditioner, built with flammable coolant to europistani spec despite moar than half being sold in usa
1939110;1569796248;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Brasil has a big regular industry that builds to specs competitive on the international market.
1939111;1569796282;BingoBoingo;Another possibility is its an "Operation Condor" artifact of US origin
1939112;1569796285;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the colt acp also afaik uncommon outside of north amer
1939113;1569796297;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: this last 1 sounds likely
1939114;1569796317;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: .45 ACP is used here as a sporting round.
1939115;1569796324;asciilifeform;interesting
1939116;1569796352;asciilifeform;iirc large qty was surplussed by usg in bush II yrs (gestapo moved to some oddball newfangled caliber, iirc .40)
1939117;1569796355;BingoBoingo;It is used here because it's the international standard high caliber competition pistol caliber round
1939118;1569796416;asciilifeform;.45 is imho pretty good , of the historic calibers. usually subsonic right outta the box, even (i.e. silenceable)
1939119;1569796418;BingoBoingo;Sure the Olympics use .22 rimfire or after London "simulated gun" toys, but .45 ACP is a standard
1939120;1569796429;BingoBoingo;Also leaves decent holes
1939121;1569796445;asciilifeform;entirely decent holes afaik
1939122;1569796469;*;asciilifeform never grasped why nato picked up luger as Official standard rather than colt's
1939123;1569796506;BingoBoingo;I suspect because more bullets fit into the supply truck
1939124;1569796521;asciilifeform;~10% moar
1939125;1569796598;BingoBoingo;The NATO caliber standarding also happened during that time where the soft-serve consensus was the next fight will be nuclear so its possible there wasn't much concern over small arm supremacy
1939126;1569796657;feedbot;http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/09/charting-the-charlotte-bdsm-scene-part-two-choking-on-socialist-spores/ << lobbesblog -- Charting the Charlotte BDSM Scene, Part Two: Choking on Socialist Spores
1939127;1569796660;asciilifeform;the slow, blunt 45 is moar of a police interest item than for any kinda war. there's an infamous case where 2 drunken red army sargeants had 'duel at dawn at 50 paces' w/ lendlease 'thompsons' . both scored, neither penetrated the wool greatcoat.
1939128;1569796753;asciilifeform;( maybe in the warm continents, where even grunts issued armours tend to throw'em out , a la vietnam -- moar relevant ? nfi )
1939129;1569796784;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: .45 ACP came about because .38 just wasn't doing the job against Pinoys
1939130;1569796792;asciilifeform;famously aha
1939131;1569796863;*;asciilifeform recalls a great mircea_popescu thrd about a 7kg rhinoceros-calibre pistol, but sadly cannot immediately find
1939132;1569796937;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-06-04#702611
1939133;1569796937;a111;Logged on 2014-06-04 17:41 mircea_popescu: ;;google Desert Eagle which is a  .5 hand cannon designed for shooting the idiots that made this mess, gold plated
1939134;1569796951;asciilifeform;that 1 !
1939135;1569796992;BingoBoingo;Leads to http://btcbase.org/log/2014-06-04#702645
1939136;1569796992;a111;Logged on 2014-06-04 17:52 BingoBoingo: ;;google .700 Nitro Express
1939137;1569797022;*;asciilifeform saw 1 fired at a local shooting gallery, pretty great fireball. designer oughta have given it a screw-on barrel extender imho, nobody cancelled physical law
1939138;1569797069;asciilifeform;similar problem with 1990 ru police favourite, the 'short kalash'
1939139;1569797101;asciilifeform;lotsa wasted joules in that fireball. the powder wants a barrel to do its thing in.
1939140;1569797130;BingoBoingo;There's a shop here that produces a single shot .50 BMG bolt action for the local armed forces, because Ministry of Defense doesn't want to pay the tarrifs
1939141;1569797183;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 'barrett' . (btw moar hits for ~this~ barrett than for [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2842][the other barrett] in ~all searchtrons, lol)
1939142;1569797196;asciilifeform;pretty common among moneyed folx in usa.
1939143;1569797215;asciilifeform;if sudden infestation of elephants (or ww1 tanks) -- folx well-equipped!111
1939144;1569797263;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Well barret prices are why the local ministry of defense buys arms for that caliber made in Uruguay
1939145;1569797287;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 4-5 k $ in gringolandia typically.
1939146;1569797304;asciilifeform;approx same as for decent pc.
1939147;1569797328;asciilifeform;shells are ~5 $ ea. usually.
1939148;1569797410;asciilifeform;made temporarily famous by that black policeman fella who 'postal' coupla yrs ago.
1939149;1569797432;BingoBoingo;Consider the local Army's primary defense purpose is armed bridge standoff against Argetine forces during Peronist times, and... seems to explain why it
1939150;1569797439;asciilifeform;( recall, he had 1 of those mysteriously-incombustible passports that lay , Officially, on his corpse when they napalmed the house he was in )
1939151;1569797454;BingoBoingo;AHA
1939152;1569797658;BingoBoingo;Note that Brasil is treaty obligated to do the quashing of actual Argentine invasions of Uruguay.
1939153;1569797758;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: for what argentards to invade uy ? to steal the pot-flavoured empanadas ??
1939154;1569797845;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Historically the did do for ego reasons like Bush in Iraq II
1939155;1569797873;BingoBoingo;"Regime change" etc
1939156;1569797907;BingoBoingo;Back when Uruguay had under 100,000 non-feathered bipeds and still managed respectable civil wars
1939157;1569797986;BingoBoingo;http://bingology.net/2019/09/26/weighing-real-estate-in-montevideo-from-an-acquisitive-perspective/ << "Also transit times between Cerrito de la Victoria and Ciudad Vieja were probably shorter during the 19th century when the government of Uruguay under General Oribe in Cerrito de la Victoria held the other government of Uruguay lead by General Riveria in the old city under seige for 8 years."
1939158;1569798042;BingoBoingo;Competing Argentine and Brasilero intervention resolved that domestic dispute. Then everyone got together and nearly genocided Paraguay as a bonding exercise.
1939159;1569800599;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: in re ye olde [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2017-10-04#1720645]['paladin' co] , found a kind of [https://archive.is/VERxz][bio of the late owner] , apparently very frustrated vietnam war d00d .
1939160;1569800600;snsabot;Logged on 2017-10-04 12:55:14 BingoBoingo: In other sads, Paladin Press closing at end of year https://www.paladin-press.com/
1939161;1569800630;*;asciilifeform has fond memories of 'paladin' from olden warez days, had a coupla very entertaining, if not 100% practical, pieces
1939162;1569800868;asciilifeform;( and, lulzily, what was 1nce '31337 w4r3z' is nao hosted [https://archive.org/details/armchaircommando/page/n9][by the beast itself] on national archive www...
1939163;1569800893;asciilifeform;452 scans , no less.
1939164;1569801012;asciilifeform;and indeed BingoBoingo , [https://archive.org/stream/armchaircommando/The_Table_Leg_Typewriter_Practical_Scrap_Metal_Small_Arms_Vol_10#mode/2up][there lies] yer uruguayan '45 ...
1939165;1569801031;asciilifeform;( warning : oddball format )
1939166;1569801245;BingoBoingo;AHA, tyvm
1939167;1569801252;asciilifeform;many of'em had a distintly [http://trilema.com/2013/how-to-enter-failville/][la delle] flavour. but for archaeologist not entirely uninteresting .
1939168;1569801302;asciilifeform;*distinctly
1939169;1569803039;*;asciilifeform always wondered whether this and similar publishers, printed such marvels as 'course of cryptography' where [http://trilema.com/2013/the-danger-of-homebrew-crypto/][caesar's cipher] was presented as state of art, or the various 'wonderful explosives in kitchen' schemes ~guaranteed to homogenize the experimenter , at usg behest, or via the ample ameri-supply of naturally occurring idjicy
1939170;1569803158;asciilifeform;most likely, imho, 'a little of 1, a little of other'.
1939171;1569803641;asciilifeform;collection says moar about ameritard audience than about any given subj. there were half a dozen tomes on e.g. summoning devils, cultivation of opium, etc. for erry 1 that contained ~reality-applicable trivia
1939172;1569824212;feedbot;http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/09/mp-wp-bot-work-plan-week-4/ << lobbesblog -- mp-wp bot work plan: week 4
1939173;1569825752;mp_en_viaje;and for the hebrew speaking club, here's a little chortle : what's a mishmishtara ?
1939174;1569825768;mp_en_viaje;it's an apricop!
1939175;1569826009;bvt;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1939005 << i can see the point of 'only man can be caring' in that letter, but tbh the 'cunts/prostate' one totally elides me.
1939176;1569826009;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-29 18:43:46 mp_en_viaje: meanwhike in pre-reich german : https://www.ifz-muenchen.de/heftarchiv/1980_3_4_reynolds.pdf
1939177;1569826024;mp_en_viaje;bvt, im not proposing it makes any sense.
1939178;1569826109;mp_en_viaje;item is just one of the lulziest bits of a huge bundle of historical evidence deeply inconvenient to the pantsuit socialists, because it quite clearly proves hitler's purported antisemitism as not merely a received idea, which didn't belong to him personally anymore than the notion that the string "sun" is how you describe the closest star belongs to you,
1939179;1569826124;mp_en_viaje;but actually the normal idea for the time and place.
1939180;1569826158;mp_en_viaje;which... i mean, for most of the 90s the koreans deeply believed that if one goes to sleep with a working fan in the room, the mechanical movement will somehow magically "suck the oxygen out" of the room leading to asphyxia.
1939181;1569826206;bvt;ah so, this is clear from the letter (and iirc you pointed it out in some of the trilema articles)
1939182;1569826213;mp_en_viaje;this i think they mostly renouned meanwhile (or stopped admitting publicly, or whatever, people are weird), and it's obviously fallacious. nevertheless, at the time it was social consensus, and therefore a very flimsy basis for either diagnosing insanity or "evil" in believers.
1939183;1569826275;mp_en_viaje;at the time hitler was a struggling painter / vagabond / corporal 1st class, this guy was an aristocratic military commander, deeply respected socially.
1939184;1569827082;bvt;germans are taught nowadays that they were all victims of evil nazis, and imprison anyone who was close enough to KZs back in the day, but at least older generation would still tell stories about their fathers when drunk (i have only second-hand recollections though)
1939185;1569827616;mp_en_viaje;yes well
1939186;1569827651;mp_en_viaje;it's not exactly clear to me what the fuck happened, to be honest. (then again i have a score of these wonderments, "why the hell did the sovok intelligentsia give up" was even aired a coupla times)
1939187;1569827691;mp_en_viaje;but as factual matters : a) jews had lived for a long time in germany, and prospered there, and were throughout upstanding pillars of the community, unmistakably.
1939188;1569827747;mp_en_viaje;b) at a personal and microsocial level, jews were very well inserted, and well respected. even the most rabid of the [retrospectively read as] "antisemites" of the period make distinctions (very much on the pattern of "all the cunts are whores except for mom" ; "all tjhe jews are vermin except for my bff shclomo")
1939189;1569827777;mp_en_viaje;the very officers ranting about the evil jews wilfully respected jewish veterans, promoted jewish officers, threw a fit if they were sidelined and so the fuck on.
1939190;1569827819;mp_en_viaje;c) the jews themselves are, obviously, as inconceivably stupid as always, i won't belabour the point of these morons, who finally got to make themselves a country and made it red-tape sovok socialism atop turkish legal system ffs.
1939191;1569827882;mp_en_viaje;that joke about canada, re how it could've had  british bureaucracy and french cuisine and ended up with british cuisine, french bureaucracy is exactly about israel.
1939192;1569827994;mp_en_viaje;but it seems to the actually competent scholar self-obvious that there's equivocation in the source material : that the autors speak of "jews" in the general ~deliberately~ and ~awaredly of the fact~ that it's a pars pro toto deal and they're specifically exclusing some if not most.
1939193;1569828122;mp_en_viaje;meanwhile [http://trilema.com/2018/wood-impregnated-in-oil-a-metaphor/?b=the%20current%20wykeham%20professor%20of%20logic&e=is%20not%20even%20qualified%20to%20study%20there#select][the retards idly posing as scholars]'s naive read would readily decide "misogyny!!!" if applied to trilema.
1939194;1569828154;mp_en_viaje;much like the ~same retard's "science" model produces golf clubs out of whatever you feed it.
1939195;1569828279;mp_en_viaje;so what exactly happened, how the fuck did the ~extremely civilised~ germans, who if convened today would laugh with every hole at the "washington correspondent's dinner" FOR CAUSE, end up throwing stones at people's windows that they actually very much respected privately...
1939196;1569828282;mp_en_viaje;i guess we'll never know.
1939197;1569828310;mp_en_viaje;but it sure as fuck wasn't some retard from passau.
1939198;1569828685;mp_en_viaje;or, for that matter, even seemingly simpler questions : [http://thewhet.net/2018/11/ingenohl-the-anti-chucker/comment-page-1/#comment-55389][why the fuck] would a man who was ~faslely~ accused of THE BAD by some schmuckturds barely perceptible above [http://trilema.com/2011/deci-de-revelion-acum-niste-ani/][that chick from fizesu' gherlii] who also had prior fucked up his boss for marrying a whore -- seriously now, I THOUGHT THE
1939199;1569828685;mp_en_viaje;Y WERE ALL WHORES. i thought this ~because you literally said so in writing holy shit what the fcuk~
1939200;1569828736;mp_en_viaje;nevertheless opt to not bring the army out and clear them off, but instead retire. he's an army fucking officer, from the prussian school, since when the fuck he opts to ~run away leaving enemy in possession~ instead of deploying ~superior force~!
1939201;1569828791;mp_en_viaje;1938 okh'd have worn for cock ornaments goering an' his merry band of drunks and societal rejects inside the week, what the fuck were all these people thinking ?!
1939202;1569829450;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1939044 << looks rather hand-made. uruguay home metallurgy ftw!
1939203;1569829451;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-29 19:11:35 asciilifeform: err, BingoBoingo
1939204;1569829548;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1939050 << pretty sure the nigger-famous macs are open bolt.
1939205;1569829549;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-29 19:13:59 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: just about 100% a basement-built , fire-from-open-bolt design ( these are Officially proscribed in usa even when half-auto , so unlikely to be industrially-baked )
1939206;1569829692;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1939057 << no fucking way, most of my arsenal in the 90s was .45 and .50. "wtf is this 9mm, what are you, a cop ?"
1939207;1569829692;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-29 19:17:14 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the colt acp also afaik uncommon outside of north amer
1939208;1569829919;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1939063 << yup, entirely wouldn't change anything about it even today. .45 is perfectly fine for standard issue / crowd control, .50 in zirconium loadout is perfect for armored / hardened targets such as any moron self-centered enough to wear a vest, helicopters / "armored vehicles" in urban settings etc.
1939209;1569829920;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-29 19:19:26 asciilifeform: .45 is imho pretty good , of the historic calibers. usually subsonic right outta the box, even (i.e. silenceable)
1939210;1569829985;*;mp_en_viaje disdains today as always disdained the negro / usigistani notions of "spray and pray" mac-10 is da shit nonsense.
1939211;1569830008;mp_en_viaje;if you don't know who you're shooting at you don't have grounds to be shooting.
1939212;1569830092;mp_en_viaje;"oh, any man's wrist will be stiff after emptying a desert eagle magazine" "dude, if you've emptied the magazine you're a war hero, wtf, you killed two platoons" "no you don't actually hit" "what ?" "you miss, see" "why the fuck are you shooting then ?!" "isn't that what you do ?" "yes dumbo, it's what i do. it's not what you do, get lost."
1939213;1569830468;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1939070 << afaik 100% it. also the future borne them out, not because "nuclear war" but because yeast infection. pretty much ANY platoon will fall back in a panic if you as much as hit one guy. and we're not talking here of domestic ra-ra-ra-i'm-so-bad-i-gotta-wear-a-mask cowardlice. even "battle hardened" "afghanistan veterans" are the same shit.
1939214;1569830468;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-29 19:22:28 BingoBoingo: The NATO caliber standarding also happened during that time where the soft-serve consensus was the next fight will be nuclear so its possible there wasn't much concern over small arm supremacy
1939215;1569830692;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1939082 << no, because by the time the bullet's leaving, it actually has same speed as the fireball. so moar contact wouldn't have accelerated it much further.
1939216;1569830692;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-29 19:30:51 asciilifeform: lotsa wasted joules in that fireball. the powder wants a barrel to do its thing in.
1939217;1569830837;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1939096 << cuz it's a "large" (self-perceived, as always, an ysocialism will perceive itself as large much like every donkey will perceive its voice as melodious) failed (duh) socialism. it's what they do.
1939218;1569830838;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-29 19:41:48 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: for what argentards to invade uy ? to steal the pot-flavoured empanadas ??
1939219;1569831298;mp_en_viaje;https://archive.is/VERxz/ea03d0cd7f309d68285653e8626362cd2ec2d46e.png << wtf, the verbiage to go with that is "He had a muscular body builder’s build and an attitude. His piercing brown eyes below dark bushy eyebrows and thick black mop of curly dark hair gave a clear message, “don’t mess with me.” He was quiet and intense with a masked sense of humor until provoked, and then watch out" ? wasn't my read at all.
1939220;1569836124;mp_en_viaje;meanwhile for the rotaku club, [http://trilema.com/2011/din-ciudateniile-viitorului/][first serious mention of bitcoin] on trilema.
1939221;1569841823;diana_coman;afaik the [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2018-05-17#1814764][need someone in China] is still entirely unaddressed, is it? apparently thimbronion has newly established e-mail contact with someone living in China so maybe worth pursuing it with this goal in mind.
1939222;1569841824;ossabot;Logged on 2018-05-17 11:37:22 mircea_popescu: kinda why we need someone in china, to dissolve exactly this sort of "only seems to be offered in china and in container-sized min order" situation ; which arises for very good reasons to do with industrialization, and is eminently solvable -- but not by the red skins, nor from inside the reservation.
1939223;1569849060;diana_coman;!!v F1C212EEFCCF5BE9CBC0853677825D9A50D37E55575F924AD507C90031444517
1939224;1569849060;deedbot;diana_coman updated rating of asciilifeform from 5 to 9 << His Lordship, Stanislav; writes at loper-os.org
1939225;1569849082;diana_coman;!!v 63DBBB4D014A45B94614AFFF858719F32DADD0011C3B2DE622665BCED7820D37
1939226;1569849083;deedbot;diana_coman updated rating of ave1 from 3 to 9 << His Lordship, Arjen; writes at ave1.org
1939227;1569849104;diana_coman;!!v 2BC683EEBFE8F5A557EEE4B439F601B288A91E1A9B38E1EF039D9569BC4143A6
1939228;1569849104;deedbot;diana_coman updated rating of BingoBoingo from 4 to 9 << His Lordship, Aaron; writes at bingology.net and qntra.net
1939229;1569849122;diana_coman;!!v 112AD312084EA0431FD4446D9E5EF025DDD9A5842C8352EA16A7F003043EFDA1
1939230;1569849122;deedbot;diana_coman updated rating of bvt from 2 to 9 << His Lordship, ; writes at bvt-trace.net
1939231;1569849141;diana_coman;!!v 0D16004CA45BA2C4BB0C3977569CDFB4279EDE0C1C4F50B44AB1161E2B8FB5B8
1939232;1569849142;deedbot;diana_coman updated rating of diana_alt from 1 to 2 << AC / DC or my  alternative self with reduced capabilities.
1939233;1569849158;diana_coman;!!v 26785601E949F38EDBCFDC1CDB5A828C2E3264B12476F0175F18821F69A45EB3
1939234;1569849159;deedbot;diana_coman updated rating of esthlos from 2 to 1 << he could have been someone
1939235;1569849187;diana_coman;!!v EA91D8804D434E37DAB09FDD503EEFB8ED53E79D72F1F3A170AA0A8176CA46DF
1939236;1569849187;deedbot;diana_coman updated rating of hanbot from 5 to 9 << Her Ladyship, Hannah; met irl; writes at http://thewhet.net
1939237;1569849207;diana_coman;!!v A6F1058B6C414AEFA9E4AF50D49BF8A0C9F2167CEB6D2395F3D1CCF376CB1D17
1939238;1569849208;deedbot;diana_coman updated rating of jurov from 3 to 2 << drifting away
1939239;1569849224;diana_coman;!!v 08C328ADB15D09815AC9EB9EEFCE6AB93EEE7E903F5413304A773926A265406B
1939240;1569849224;deedbot;diana_coman updated rating of lobbes from 3 to 9 << His Lordship, Eric; writes at http://blog.lobbesblog.com/
1939241;1569849247;diana_coman;!!v 7458323EB39DB8FBBFB411C73BFDCEA478800190D67D7763C4F89E75A73AAFF8
1939242;1569849247;deedbot;diana_coman updated rating of mircea_popescu from 7 to 9 << His Highness, Mircea; met irl; writes at trilema.com
1939243;1569849268;diana_coman;!!v 54F71D0949911D94069F089723043E552AEE53920DEF621EDEFCBDC810134F60
1939244;1569849268;deedbot;diana_coman updated rating of Mocky from 5 to 9 << His Lordship, Mocky; met irl; writes at mocky.org
1939245;1569849309;diana_coman;!!v FD8F6B5287AE5A0D880962E37FA80DAF61852629D23492C006971C2CC07F87CA
1939246;1569849309;deedbot;diana_coman updated rating of mod6 from 4 to 9 << His Lordship, Shane; writes at mod6.net
1939247;1569849329;diana_coman;!!v EF4561A1534A7C09A118BF939FB2FB8C05DA1D5326D668A07E64E3093CC2AD89
1939248;1569849329;deedbot;diana_coman updated rating of danielpbarron from 2 to 1 << he used to be an euloran elder and tinkerer of bots.
1939249;1569849347;diana_coman;!!v F09BB6C567DD67CF4FA95D65085652124E1F9562566010EAD2BEA1BE853B6370
1939250;1569849348;deedbot;diana_coman updated rating of phf from 4 to 1 << he used to be so cool; wrote at http://barksinthewind.com
1939251;1569849363;diana_coman;!!v 00E3C570E6BF90FCFEE1F7307E48480BF58C94C901BC6A0C6E6E92253AEF1F88
1939252;1569849364;deedbot;diana_coman updated rating of shrysr from 1 to 2 << my pageboy; writes at younghands.club and s.ragavan.co
1939253;1569849384;diana_coman;!!v 4D94C0E93FBDDE67E3528C3EEFB1895009F2CE13EA0FC1301F5AABF385FB49B2
1939254;1569849384;deedbot;diana_coman updated rating of spyked from 3 to 9 << His Lordship, Lucian; met irl; writes at thetarpit.org
1939255;1569849402;diana_coman;!!v 49E5C38D9E1E78C06D561AF27670B48C98754522CF3012629424C100BF8DEDDD
1939256;1569849403;deedbot;diana_coman updated rating of thestringpuller from -1 to -5 << did nothing useful with all the time in the world.
1939257;1569849419;diana_coman;!!v 4F33778BD3F913BD929259C3BE1A130E813AF93AB8FE1B7DE566C36C7704028A
1939258;1569849420;deedbot;diana_coman rated thimbronion 2 << my pagebody; writes at younghands.club and thimbron.com
1939259;1569849438;diana_coman;!!v E91CB0BFEC533E1D995FA9552285E7497BDA93AEB5D3A55D0DB3B5ED018DDA1C
1939260;1569849438;deedbot;diana_coman updated rating of trinque from 4 to 9 << His Lordship, Michael; writes at trinque.org
1939261;1569849456;diana_coman;!!v D7D64414559B80A62ED1CF9561D522A2B258366E5A6FA9ADFAA90718CCCE3880
1939262;1569849456;deedbot;diana_coman rated whaack 2 << my pageboy; writes at younghands.club and ztkfg.com
1939263;1569849530;diana_coman;hopefully I didn't forget anyone.
1939264;1569851318;diana_coman;!!v B8D34AEB7CD776A9DFD7BEE57463C85498D975036DC6958E53D51134584B0B39
1939265;1569851318;deedbot;diana_coman rated nicoleci 3 << met irl; writes at bimbo.club
1939266;1569854336;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939132 << h. göring [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2017-12-07#1747929][famously] had a j00 as general under him. for entire length of the war.
1939267;1569854337;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-30 04:02:09 mp_en_viaje: the very officers ranting about the evil jews wilfully respected jewish veterans, promoted jewish officers, threw a fit if they were sidelined and so the fuck on.
1939268;1569854337;snsabot;Logged on 2017-12-07 08:52:36 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1747908 << the 1 law, where 'precedent is whatever we say it is'. sorta like 'in this germany, a jew is he who i say is a jew' in the earlier reich.
1939269;1569854436;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939147 << indeed they were. they demonstratively pissed on the ban, not even from 'practical' but as a stotting .
1939270;1569854436;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-30 04:31:40 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1939050 << pretty sure the nigger-famous macs are open bolt.
1939271;1569854556;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939158 << instead of arguing the point, i'ma invite mp_en_viaje to take cheap chronograph and compare 2 barrel lengths in same caliber. ( where flash is white, gas is still pushing . is part of why folx even bother with long barrels. )
1939272;1569854556;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-30 04:50:44 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1939082 << no, because by the time the bullet's leaving, it actually has same speed as the fireball. so moar contact wouldn't have accelerated it much further.
1939273;1569854600;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939164 << indeed still open problem. if fella actually solves, will be major advance.
1939274;1569854600;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-30 07:56:16 diana_coman: afaik the [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2018-05-17#1814764][need someone in China] is still entirely unaddressed, is it? apparently thimbronion has newly established e-mail contact with someone living in China so maybe worth pursuing it with this goal in mind.
1939275;1569854600;ossabot;Logged on 2018-05-17 11:37:22 mircea_popescu: kinda why we need someone in china, to dissolve exactly this sort of "only seems to be offered in china and in container-sized min order" situation ; which arises for very good reasons to do with industrialization, and is eminently solvable -- but not by the red skins, nor from inside the reservation.
1939276;1569854625;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939123 << afaik they still believe.
1939277;1569854626;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-30 03:35:10 mp_en_viaje: which... i mean, for most of the 90s the koreans deeply believed that if one goes to sleep with a working fan in the room, the mechanical movement will somehow magically "suck the oxygen out" of the room leading to asphyxia.
1939278;1569854699;*;asciilifeform has nfi how this belief formed, but suspects reason -- folx still die of heat in that shithole, fan or no fan, just like right here in usa
1939279;1569854982;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939138 << the key to the puzzler aint much of a seekrit. goebbels put it in plain text. j00z were picked as 'instigators of the war' and meat grinder ramped up in direct proportion to the obviousness of germany starting to lose. the chronology fits.
1939280;1569854982;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-30 04:10:31 mp_en_viaje: so what exactly happened, how the fuck did the ~extremely civilised~ germans, who if convened today would laugh with every hole at the "washington correspondent's dinner" FOR CAUSE, end up throwing stones at people's windows that they actually very much respected privately...
1939281;1569858611;asciilifeform;re that 'mac-10' ( famously rejected by army commission with phrase 'this would be great for warfare inside a phone booth' ) -- americans very fond in recent decades of 'picturesque', loud, but entire impractical small arms. iirc mp even wrote a piece on subj, along the lines of tlp's 'this is not to win, but to Feel Like A Trader'.
1939282;1569858730;asciilifeform;[http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2016-07-21#1508022][see also this old thrd.] consider the most popular piece, the m16 & variants. popular specifically because comes apart into two dozen parts, for each of which there are 'ricer' aftermarket 'shit bolted to side!111' replacements, for fiddlers to fiddle with.
1939283;1569858731;snsabot;Logged on 2016-07-21 13:37:11 asciilifeform: phun phakt: for every conceivable heresy re kalash, american 'ricers' will happily sell you an aftermarket kit , to idiotate to yer heart's delight
1939284;1569858855;asciilifeform;invite an enthusiast for tea, he will tell you for two hours about titanium firing pins ( with 0 awareness of the metallurgy, of why is it that in sovok, where to this day ~monopoly on the metal, no one used ti firing pin? ) but with the deepest conviction.
1939285;1569859253;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939156 << this is imho an underappreciated good point. conscript dun need to be hit with rhinoceros round, he'll take any excuse to go to the rear
1939286;1569859253;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-30 04:47:00 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1939070 << afaik 100% it. also the future borne them out, not because "nuclear war" but because yeast infection. pretty much ANY platoon will fall back in a panic if you as much as hit one guy. and we're not talking here of domestic ra-ra-ra-i'm-so-bad-i-gotta-wear-a-mask cowardlice. even "battle hardened" "afghanistan veterans" are the same shit.
1939287;1569859346;asciilifeform;( and pertinently, contrary to popular delusion, usa's 'contract soldier' is psychologically still same conscript, us army is fulla folx who joined e.g. to get their teeth fixed, or simply to find any work at all, aint no work to be had in their native oklahomistan outside of meth labs )
1939288;1569859744;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Lettuce not forget all of the non-standard caliber uppers available for M16/AR15 which will take it from .22 rimfire through some rimless straightwall .50 rounds with all manner of niche weird in between
1939289;1569860101;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: probably one could write entire b00k on 'ricer hardware'. i.e. where enthusiast could (and often does) fill an entire lifetime of nights an' weekends with fiddling, and spend any amt of money, but will still end up with basically same thing, if 'heavy with shit stuck to the side'.
1939290;1569860131;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: sorta how you can fiddle all you like with pc irons and will still end up with essentially same x86 box, with all the basic flaws, always
1939291;1569860217;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: There seems to be a racket where a loading with get a weird ricer name like .50 BEOWOLF or .300 BLACKOUT get some USG test firings and go on to market the round as things normally get marketed to jugalos,etc based on edgy/cool name
1939292;1569860277;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: folx who mainly use the thing to hang on wall, naturally dun care if a shell costs 10 $ ea. or is sold in just 1 place in alabama or whatnot
1939293;1569860350;BingoBoingo;In that case why not SKS? Durable thing that required machining, but otherwise perfect conscript rifle
1939294;1569860363;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: iirc some of these oddball calibres aint even made industrially , like normal people do, but instead turned on a lathe ~individually~ from larger shells
1939295;1569860415;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: conscripts, see, will use what's issued to'em. and in usa, that's whatever pads pockets of whatever 'favourite son' contractor.
1939296;1569860419;BingoBoingo;AHA, or made small scale industrially from parent brass
1939297;1569860526;asciilifeform;police, on other hand, get what's cheapest.
1939298;1569860555;*;BingoBoingo suspects part of the reason it takes 250k+ rounds per us conscript kill is the magazines are too big. Fuck your supressing fire, make the first shot count!
1939299;1569860584;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 'teach'em to aim' went out of style in vietnam era. why, is a q for experts, i'll leave it alone
1939300;1569860598;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: From the local news stories I read in old country police usually took what they were given or bought what they were told with money similarly given with strings
1939301;1569860641;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: in washingtonistan, police usually has the plastic austrian 'glock' or similar.
1939302;1569860671;asciilifeform;99% of'em never use it, so the 'less weight on belt' aspect appeals.
1939303;1569860716;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: re aiming, per reports from cousins and their spawn still taught to aim. Just once they go from basic skills to small unit tactics they are taught in practice one guy in squad with .30 rifle should aim while rest make noise
1939304;1569860734;asciilifeform;( funnily , it appears that the normal recruiting pool for police -- burned-out iraq vets -- has dried up. nao they have booths at public markets, fairs, 'join the police dept! medical & dental!' )
1939305;1569860771;BingoBoingo;Well, Iraq vets now are either old or "specials" herded into 20 year career
1939306;1569860789;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: in sovok, recruits also ceremonially 'taught to aim'. given traditional 3 rounds / yr . ~same result.
1939307;1569860835;BingoBoingo;"designated marksman" iirc is the term of art they use for the setup.
1939308;1569860883;*;asciilifeform pictures a fyootoor us army where 4 of 5 men in platoon can be gimps, and 'designated walksman' is the only 1 who's req'd to have working legs
1939309;1569860965;BingoBoingo;Well standard setup seems to be 1 marksman, 1 autorifleman, maybe a mortarman, rest of squad on m-16 or other specialist support tole
1939310;1569860973;asciilifeform;a++ [http://trilema.com/2013/two-business-ideas-for-missing-arms/?b=Have&e=apologize#select][full-employment scheme]...
1939311;1569861001;BingoBoingo;Seems cheaper to just count the parking extortionists as employed
1939312;1569861075;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: they do! and, interestingly, army bases (already in early 2000s when asciilifeform worked inside 1) guarded ~100% by equiv. of mall cops, rather than uniformed folx (for whom they'd have to 'medical & dental'(tm)) , cheaper.
1939313;1569861082;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile in an ongoing trend in local news, primary risk factor for getting mugged is swiftly becoming employment as police officer https://www.montevideo.com.uy/Noticias/Un-delincuente-murio-y-un-policia-fue-herido-en-intento-de-rapina-uc731278
1939314;1569861126;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Nah, I mean Uruguay style. Count em as employed entrepreneurs and sole proprietors
1939315;1569861172;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: is how asciilifeform was counted. and the other coolies. ~doubles the tax rate, and removes 'unemploy insurance' & other expenses for usg.
1939316;1569861209;BingoBoingo;Charge em a fee to get their permit, count them as employed forever more without any particular follow up
1939317;1569861213;asciilifeform;( recall what was done to j. stack, wai he went flyin' )
1939318;1569861218;BingoBoingo;aha
1939319;1569861327;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i expect at some pt police in usa will move to 'india' model, where fella is given a name tag and paid a coupla rupee / mo., and the rest he is expected to make up from bakshish and straight highway robbery
1939320;1569861355;asciilifeform;small-town precincts already run on this model, but currently (afaik) as department, rather than per-man
1939321;1569861807;BingoBoingo;!Xbuy 161mn 31 1209 Wired Filthy Fiats, WU is fine but not preferred
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1939323;1569862835;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939133 << the often-overlooked 'seekrit' is that 30-40% of these were exiles from sovok proper. and re-created it in miniature.
1939324;1569862835;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-30 04:02:51 mp_en_viaje: c) the jews themselves are, obviously, as inconceivably stupid as always, i won't belabour the point of these morons, who finally got to make themselves a country and made it red-tape sovok socialism atop turkish legal system ffs.
1939325;1569862937;lobbes;http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939263 << aha, I recall the various small-town departments operating the highwayman model here in usgistan. Common tactic is for said towns along a major rural highway to drop the speed limit a few miles outside of town by about 40 mph, and post officer at the line.
1939326;1569862937;ericbot;Logged on 2019-09-30 16:37:29 asciilifeform: small-town precincts already run on this model, but currently (afaik) as department, rather than per-man
1939327;1569862942;lobbes;But from what I hear, it is still "quota" based. Suggests still at dept. level versus per-person
1939328;1569862949;asciilifeform;[http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2017-06-12#1669367][thrd re 'exact moment'] for those interested .
1939329;1569862949;snsabot;Logged on 2017-06-12 19:21:52 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ^ 'altalena affair' resulted in the switcheroo where the upstanding folx ( irgun et al, who held the position 'rm -rf britain' , were replaced by the internationalkomyooniti obedient muppet circus who ended up 'recognized' by said komyooniti as 'israel' << Aka. When da jooz jew'd the Jay-double-Oh-Oh-Zee
1939330;1569862977;asciilifeform;lobbes: speaking moar of 'seize money straight from passing trucks' than 'speed ticket' but sure.
1939331;1569863001;asciilifeform;( the trouble with 'seize money', is that most usaschwitz inmates have ~none )
1939332;1569863024;asciilifeform;err, wrong link above, oughta be [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2017-06-12#1669363][there]
1939333;1569863024;snsabot;Logged on 2017-06-12 19:16:29 asciilifeform: ^ 'altalena affair' resulted in the switcheroo where the upstanding folx ( irgun et al, who held the position 'rm -rf britain' , were replaced by the internationalkomyooniti obedient muppet circus who ended up 'recognized' by said komyooniti as 'israel'
1939334;1569863068;lobbes;asciilifeform: yeah, many truckers also 'mortgage' said truck
1939335;1569863099;mod6;Hai all, it's been a pretty intense month - lot going on here.  I've left my 9-5 job!
1939336;1569863107;asciilifeform;oh hey wb mod6
1939337;1569863121;asciilifeform;mod6: blog about yer adventures !
1939338;1569863125;*;asciilifeform will read
1939339;1569863138;*;lobbes will also read
1939340;1569863144;lobbes;congrats mod6
1939341;1569863197;mod6;Now, I've got some money for now, so I'm going to be able to take at least the rest of the year off.  Beyond that, I'm still working on the details a bit; may do some per-diem consulting as I need to or what not.
1939342;1569863229;asciilifeform;sounds a++
1939343;1569863230;mod6;Overall though, big step in the right direction.
1939344;1569863293;mod6;I've been running around last week or so, getting things in order.  It's been kinda wild.
1939345;1569863303;asciilifeform;mod6: maybe visit BingoBoingostan. springtime there.
1939346;1569863359;mod6;Not much to even blog about at this point.  I basically just showed up, handed in my laptop & sec badge. "I don't work here any more.  kthxbye."
1939347;1569863570;diana_coman;mod6: yay, sounds great actually
1939348;1569863729;mod6;cheers, all! :]
1939349;1569864567;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Indeed springtime here. Switch flipped exactly on calendar day this year
1939350;1569864614;BingoBoingo;brb, stocking up on meat before the downpour resumes
1939351;1569864682;BingoBoingo;Until the rains arrived today, people had been getting beach time in.
1939352;1569864696;mod6;asciilifeform: I may have to find a time to go and check it out, ya.  Not sure quite when, but yeah, will start thinking in earnest about it.
1939353;1569864777;BingoBoingo;mod6: Anyways, I recommend some cathartic blogtime to help organize the things inside the headvault
1939354;1569864861;mod6;werd BingoBoingo.
1939355;1569871556;auctionbot;Buy order # 1061: 1209 Wired Filthy Fiats, WU is fine but not preferred Heard: 161mn from bvt. Ending: 2019-10-01 11:55:34.297573 UTC (28 hours 17 mins)
1939356;1569873660;diana_coman;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-28#1938834 - I've just pressed the latest vpatch and tested this, comparing to the log-raw, eg. http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/tape?istart=1937934&iend=1937941 vs http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log-raw/trilema?istart=1937934&iend=1937941
1939357;1569873661;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-28 14:13:23 asciilifeform: 'tape' knob i realized is unusable shortly after cut patch, it needs to be rewritten so as to give 'last N' , rather than using start/end index from the earlier raw-log knob
1939358;1569873674;diana_coman;asciilifeform: I don't quite get what problem are you trying to solve with this tape knob?
1939359;1569874910;asciilifeform;diana_coman: notion was, to make 1shot 'all chans' sync possible
1939360;1569874926;asciilifeform;but now thinking it cannot be done cleanly and prolly oughta cut it out in next patch
1939361;1569874980;asciilifeform;diana_coman: observe that the example tape you linked , contains only #t, cuz indices are per-chan and no other chan has advanced to anywhere near 1937934
1939362;1569875061;diana_coman;ahhh, now I see what you wanted ; but... how could it work across chans because even if "last N" , it's still rather meaningless
1939363;1569875073;asciilifeform;right, as-written it's 100% useless
1939364;1569875092;asciilifeform;and presently can't think of how could be made to work as intended. possibly sync will have to remain per-chan.
1939365;1569875094;diana_coman;I don't quite think it's the right approach even, tbh
1939366;1569875111;asciilifeform;it prolly isnt
1939367;1569875127;asciilifeform;atm syncing 6 chans with bare hands is a 1st class bitch tho.
1939368;1569875182;diana_coman;that much is true but this is not going to solve it; the raw log thing is fine and yes, on a per chan basis, one has to request from their own "latest index" to as much as it takes to end up with "nothing"
1939369;1569875221;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i'ma cut the stump out in next patch.
1939370;1569877143;asciilifeform;diana_coman: will snip out the [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1938885][other] broken knob also (it needs rewrite from 0)
1939371;1569877143;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-29 11:06:56 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1938845 << ty mp_en_viaje , found culprit: [http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=mghm][a built-in idjicy] in the pythonism that asciilifeform used to implement doublequotes. i'ma have to rewrite that mechanism.
1939372;1569877162;diana_coman;asciilifeform: makes sense.
1939373;1569877225;asciilifeform;logotron is at the frustrating stage where the 'easy pieces' are in, and what remains is the gnarlier
1939374;1569877300;asciilifeform;imho the most direly gaping hole is the support needed for importing era1 l0gz
1939375;1569877315;asciilifeform;which requires a perma-solution to 'url problem'
1939376;1569877377;asciilifeform;1 possible pill is to make all log refs follow [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-27#1938807][this] form. but, ugly.
1939377;1569877378;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-27 23:24:27 asciilifeform: this rev also knows how to echo lines of form : http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/1938795#1938795 , if we decide to go there in 'reader' re 'url problem' .
1939378;1569878469;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/09/german-cops-raid-cyberbunker-over-claims-of-collaboration-with-child-pornographers-etc/ << Qntra -- German Cops Raid Cyberbunker Over Claims of Collaboration With Child Pornographers, etc
1939379;1569880013;mp_en_viaje;uuund hallo bis wien!
1939380;1569880095;asciilifeform;wb mp_en_viaje !
1939381;1569880124;mp_en_viaje;schogettentor
1939382;1569880229;mp_en_viaje;vollstopfent!
1939383;1569880263;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939164 << well, i do meet the occasional cute japanese girl ; but yes.
1939384;1569880264;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-30 07:56:16 diana_coman: afaik the [http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2018-05-17#1814764][need someone in China] is still entirely unaddressed, is it? apparently thimbronion has newly established e-mail contact with someone living in China so maybe worth pursuing it with this goal in mind.
1939385;1569880264;ossabot;Logged on 2018-05-17 11:37:22 mircea_popescu: kinda why we need someone in china, to dissolve exactly this sort of "only seems to be offered in china and in container-sized min order" situation ; which arises for very good reasons to do with industrialization, and is eminently solvable -- but not by the red skins, nor from inside the reservation.
1939386;1569880337;mp_en_viaje;o look at that, diana_coman needs a princess dresstrain now with all them pages!
1939387;1569880504;BingoBoingo;Also corridors for note running and other forms of paging
1939388;1569880508;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939214 << actually, longer barrel exists chiefly for accuracy, not per se for speed afaik. the tradeoffs are friction/tear driven losses on one hand vs bullet stablization on other hand. speed/eenergy per se doesn't actualoly figure as such because very easy to fix / maximize / not even desired as max generally
1939389;1569880508;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-30 11:28:29 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939158 << instead of arguing the point, i'ma invite mp_en_viaje to take cheap chronograph and compare 2 barrel lengths in same caliber. ( where flash is white, gas is still pushing . is part of why folx even bother with long barrels. )
1939390;1569880567;feedbot;http://bingology.net/2019/09/30/peso-watch-september-2019/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Peso Watch September 2019
1939391;1569880598;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: there was a spiffy neutronographic (!) film study in '80s su to try an' determine ideal barrel. sadly cannot atm find on net
1939392;1569880623;asciilifeform;showed even compression waves in the powder as it went off
1939393;1569880631;BingoBoingo;It's been a while since I dove into it, but iirc longer barrel also pushes towards pickiness about matching rifling twist to bullet weight
1939394;1569880688;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, aha
1939395;1569880713;mp_en_viaje;im no gunsmith here. but from what i recall from my notes from however many years ago, maximizing bullet energy is never a first order concern.
1939396;1569880727;asciilifeform;( only w/ neutrons, can take xray-like photo of barrel, bullet, and powder and have'em all show contrast in same photo )
1939397;1569880812;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: very often folx dun give a damn re energy -- e.g. snub-nose revolver, or 'saw off', or traditional ru обрез , where compactness is king
1939398;1569880853;mp_en_viaje;compactness, reliability, wear and tear minimization, bullet thumbling, all sorta this things
1939399;1569880881;mp_en_viaje;if you're after max energy get a flamethrower.
1939400;1569880891;BingoBoingo;Well, wound channel is king. Only really gotta have enough energy to break rather than follow shoulderblade of male members of target species.
1939401;1569880928;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: '90s ru type flamethrower. the traditional kind wastes buncha fuel in flight .
1939402;1569880933;mp_en_viaje;aha
1939403;1569881025;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: cant resist to ask : when you shot the 'eagle', what kinda loads didja use ? according to the nitpicky critics, it gets fouled quickly unless fed fmj
1939404;1569881146;mp_en_viaje;you never use that thing like the "[http://trilema.com/2017/my-three-days-of-ai/#footnote_0_71072][critics]" use it. yes, sure, it fouls lots at the range.
1939405;1569881365;mp_en_viaje;very much a https://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3233532779857997@naggum.net.html type issue (which quote, incidentally, i notice is not on your http://www.loper-os.org/?p=165 ?)
1939406;1569881427;asciilifeform;i gotta bake a part2 to that thing
1939407;1569881442;asciilifeform;5-6 similarly great pieces didnt make it in
1939408;1569881448;mp_en_viaje;aha
1939409;1569881778;asciilifeform;while we're 'but what are you doing with that 20,000×20,000 double-precision floating point matrix you say you need to invert _today_'(tm)(r) -- i still wonder why that reagan-era rocket pistol thing never took off. seems just about idea from this pov.
1939410;1569881876;mp_en_viaje;nah. the french had them too, kept trying to use them. they're fucking ridiculous, can CATCH the damn "rocket" in hand / parasol before it gets far enough to accelerate enough.
1939411;1569881897;asciilifeform;oh hey loox like [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2016-07-17#1504277][had thrd] on item.
1939412;1569881897;snsabot;Logged on 2016-07-17 14:05:28 asciilifeform: for the record, the only direction with real promise in small arms field is 'gyrojet', where the rifled and tempered barrel is unnecessary, given a self-rotating projectile, small and quite easily-made rocket
1939413;1569881909;mp_en_viaje;nobody cares it can punch holes in concrete 100m away if it can't punch through leaf 3 cm from muzzle
1939414;1569881930;asciilifeform;iirc it needed 2 metres to get to specced speed aha
1939415;1569881973;mp_en_viaje;anyway. short of outright maniacs a la http://trilema.com/2015/strategy-for-the-antisocial-struggle/ there's no known uses for "empty magazines through DE"
1939416;1569881975;asciilifeform;the americans iirc also had problems in making it go straight.
1939417;1569881995;mp_en_viaje;and for THOSE people the solution is dufflebagfull of handguns, pick and choose.
1939418;1569882012;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: imho could have saved much weight / complexity in 'eagle' if it were bolt-operated. but tbf i never yet had to 'invert this matrix'
1939419;1569882032;mp_en_viaje;i recall there were excellent reasons they didn;t do that, but i don;t now recall what.
1939420;1569882056;asciilifeform;possibly tradition / marketing
1939421;1569882059;mp_en_viaje;nah.
1939422;1569882069;mp_en_viaje;excellent ~technical~ reasons
1939423;1569882093;*;asciilifeform does not know.
1939424;1569882112;asciilifeform;heavy-calibre rifles otoh to this day tend to be bolt-operated.
1939425;1569882138;asciilifeform;e.g. that [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1939084]['barrett'].
1939426;1569882138;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-29 19:32:13 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'barrett' . (btw moar hits for ~this~ barrett than for [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2842][the other barrett] in ~all searchtrons, lol)
1939427;1569882194;asciilifeform;dufflebagfull << sounds very 18th c, lol. a la blackbeard's 'brace o'pistols'...
1939428;1569882202;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939222 << yes, well, you'll pardon me if i do not necessarily believe the man.
1939429;1569882203;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-30 11:35:35 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939138 << the key to the puzzler aint much of a seekrit. goebbels put it in plain text. j00z were picked as 'instigators of the war' and meat grinder ramped up in direct proportion to the obviousness of germany starting to lose. the chronology fits.
1939430;1569882233;asciilifeform;lol
1939431;1569882257;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: the folx runnin' the ovens, if their depositions are to be believed, believed, tho.
1939432;1569882279;BingoBoingo;Insular group fucking over members of the outgroup tends to draw aggro and ovens if done indiscriminately
1939433;1569882295;mp_en_viaje;yes. but historically the folks running the ovens don;t tend to be the brightest. compare with the rwandan genocide actual ambulatory butchers, aslo beleived all sorta beleifs.
1939434;1569882300;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the textbook example at one pt was the armenians
1939435;1569882342;mp_en_viaje;i have nfi re that either, but it seems to me the driver there was this : some guys (not ONLY turks, various arabs) decided that the only way to one-up history is to END the supply of armenian harem slavegirls.
1939436;1569882372;mp_en_viaje;much like demented shepherd might one day decide to EAT the herd, so that he's the last in the line to have eaten mutton. "fuck all the rest of ya"
1939437;1569882373;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: why would they want to nail the harem gurlz?
1939438;1569882377;asciilifeform;hm.
1939439;1569882381;mp_en_viaje;so nobody else can have anymore.
1939440;1569882397;asciilifeform;a la der fuhrer's final order ?
1939441;1569882404;mp_en_viaje;enough of this "thirteen generations ago lived the prettiest aysha, but now an even hotter one was born"
1939442;1569882431;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, a la historically recurrent "hey mr architect that's a great building. could you make a better one ?" "maybe" "hang him"
1939443;1569882448;asciilifeform;ivan -- blinded. but why not.
1939444;1569882455;asciilifeform;makes as much sense as the other theories .
1939445;1569882463;mp_en_viaje;so they burned it all down.
1939446;1569882470;mp_en_viaje;anyway. it's a theory.
1939447;1569882487;asciilifeform;for some reason i thought the primo slavegurlz were the circassians tho
1939448;1569882499;mp_en_viaje;yes, but in the period this ended up == armenian.
1939449;1569882505;mp_en_viaje;branding issue.
1939450;1569882533;mp_en_viaje;(the kardashian-like armenian is relatively recent phenomenon, much like the orc egyptians)
1939451;1569882543;asciilifeform;entirely possib. osman empire was in full bore 'apres moi le deluge' mode , then
1939452;1569882585;mp_en_viaje;aha
1939453;1569882845;BingoBoingo;In local labor disputes, lottery worker strike: https://www.montevideo.com.uy/Noticias/Este-lunes-tampoco-habra-5-de-Oro-tras-una-nueva-medida-en-defensa-del-Nino-cantor--uc731313
1939454;1569882855;mp_en_viaje;roflmao
1939455;1569882863;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: lol! let'em draw lots for pay.
1939456;1569882869;mp_en_viaje;ikr!
1939457;1569882873;mp_en_viaje;wtf work.
1939458;1569882888;asciilifeform;pay in tickets.
1939459;1569882946;BingoBoingo;Dispute isn't even over pay. It's a dispute over management's plan to stop inviting child/teen performers to sing during drawings.
1939460;1569882992;BingoBoingo;Like the dispute Petrobras left over no involving pay, but management's ability to fire derps derping with loaded rifle in the workplace
1939461;1569883216;BingoBoingo;USG also announced today they are opening a green card lottery round for the Uruguayos
1939462;1569883437;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939230 << very commonly, to get community college paid.
1939463;1569883437;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-30 12:48:20 asciilifeform: ( and pertinently, contrary to popular delusion, usa's 'contract soldier' is psychologically still same conscript, us army is fulla folx who joined e.g. to get their teeth fixed, or simply to find any work at all, aint no work to be had in their native oklahomistan outside of meth labs )
1939464;1569883462;*;mp_en_viaje has ran into oodlebunches of these "military" cunts, only overwhelmed demographically by waitresses and beauticians
1939465;1569883503;mp_en_viaje;it's a safe army -> ccolege -> social worker sorta "careerwoman" path. will not starve.
1939466;1569883545;mp_en_viaje;the gedbois usually end up in coward-lice afterwards instead of community fleas.
1939467;1569883571;BingoBoingo;They also do that with the Airforce. Not so much with the Navy/Marines because hard to get social media access on the water.
1939468;1569883601;mp_en_viaje;aha
1939469;1569883675;BingoBoingo;Home town ~30 km from Air Mobility Command. So many chubby girls in uniform
1939470;1569883749;mp_en_viaje;that's the sadness of it. even if they might've been worth enslaving as 16yos (on strict body considerations, obv nobody wants a 16yo brain), by the time they've chugged enough "chow" to take them to twenny-someting... it's mostly a lost battle.
1939471;1569883875;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939241 << the other problem with this "supressingfire" thing is that it... suppresses you, too.
1939472;1569883876;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-30 13:08:28 BingoBoingo: suspects part of the reason it takes 250k+ rounds per us conscript kill is the magazines are too big. Fuck your supressing fire, make the first shot count!
1939473;1569883906;mp_en_viaje;it's like "suppressing talking". it ~might~ not let other party think ; but it sure as fuck doesn;t let YOU think at all!
1939474;1569883963;mp_en_viaje;anyway, afaik the number corssed 4mn at some point this decade
1939475;1569883970;mp_en_viaje;prolly headed to nine digits.
1939476;1569883971;BingoBoingo;Most recent counsin to enlist went Marines because that's what his dad did. In and out of special education alternative schools up until he signed the enlistment contract. Made it through basic/follow on training with honors. Presently hoping the don't keep him floating in boats half his contract like last counsin that went that route.
1939477;1569884033;BingoBoingo;Turned out what the kid seems to have needed in his life was a higher quality of yelling.
1939478;1569884044;mp_en_viaje;this is common.
1939479;1569884048;BingoBoingo;And not sitting in chairs
1939480;1569884187;mp_en_viaje;that;s a big one
1939481;1569884196;mp_en_viaje;i dun recall if i recounted the story of "please, let me fix school fence"
1939482;1569884215;BingoBoingo;That sounds like a new to me story
1939483;1569884291;mp_en_viaje;lmao I WROTE THAT ?!
1939484;1569884297;mp_en_viaje;holy shit that;'s an epic trilema piece.
1939485;1569884310;mp_en_viaje;wool selling to sheep!
1939486;1569884617;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, not much more than, my grandmother was school mistress, participated in 1950s ro campaign to likbez ("liquidate analphabetism"), various dudes begged to plox, can't just work the school fields in lieu of sit in class ? will fix fence ? door ? anything ?
1939487;1569884638;mp_en_viaje;im sure it's mentioned, just can't find now where
1939488;1569884646;BingoBoingo;Ah
1939489;1569884927;mp_en_viaje;"Una joven de 15 años murió como consecuencia de dos disparos."
1939490;1569884933;mp_en_viaje;holy hell who kills 15yo females ?!
1939491;1569884965;BingoBoingo;retards
1939492;1569884986;mp_en_viaje;Tatiana Vanesa Díaz Severi. "El diagnosticó medico estableció que presentaba 2 orificios de arma de fuego sin salida, uno en fosa lumbar derecha y otro en mama izquierda."
1939493;1569885005;mp_en_viaje;baby's dead... shot in the tit fo' a dolla'... who's gonna tell her momma'... who's gomna tell her wife...
1939494;1569885165;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939262 << this is how rural police works already, and for awhile.
1939495;1569885166;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-30 13:21:21 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i expect at some pt police in usa will move to 'india' model, where fella is given a name tag and paid a coupla rupee / mo., and the rest he is expected to make up from bakshish and straight highway robbery
1939496;1569885408;BingoBoingo;From the comments section of that piece: "Manini y la reforma y se acaban los ñeris y todos los pichis disparando desde las motos. Bala y bala y chau problema. Que vuelvan los Falcon verdes." 37 upvotes, 14 downvotes
1939497;1569885988;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939278 << how does it feel ?
1939498;1569885989;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-30 13:50:53 mod6: Hai all, it's been a pretty intense month - lot going on here.  I've left my 9-5 job!
1939499;1569886028;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, i find it beyond ridiculous that none of these motorcyclist shooters ever get shot at / chased.
1939500;1569886056;mp_en_viaje;not necessarily by 15yo girls, but i deem it terrible policy to let anyone who ever took a potshot at you live.
1939501;1569886101;mp_en_viaje;how the fuck hard can they be to find anyway, send the muscle out to break arms until they're found. experimentaly not that many arms need to thus break
1939502;1569886146;mp_en_viaje;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939284 << i confess i'm not at all clear what work mod6 did in the first place.
1939503;1569886147;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-30 13:52:31 mod6: Now, I've got some money for now, so I'm going to be able to take at least the rest of the year off.  Beyond that, I'm still working on the details a bit; may do some per-diem consulting as I need to or what not.
1939504;1569886356;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: The shooting is a relatively new phenomenon the Uruguayos are still working on. It was only a few months ago that if one tries to hold up a small business the proprietor will shoot became the conventional wisdom here.
1939505;1569886517;BingoBoingo;When I first arrived it was a great national tragedy that "El Kiki" shot and killed a cashier girl over ~2000 pesos. Action/Reaction are still working themselves out here now that the rediscovery of violence has hit the Uruguayos.
1939506;1569886583;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939445 << iirc he was in the very bilge of a java mine. ( but lesse what says when wakes up )
1939507;1569886583;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-30 20:15:01 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939284 << i confess i'm not at all clear what work mod6 did in the first place.
1939508;1569886611;BingoBoingo;Bringing back the "Ley de Duelos" in effect until 1992 is not an unpopular opinion in Uruguay.
1939509;1569886722;BingoBoingo;The dueling law was killed as part of the 1990's "lets be a foreigner friendly place" push
1939510;1569886725;asciilifeform;http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939447 << i recall seeing buncha cash van folx with polished chrome blunderbusses , but nfi whether these ever go off
1939511;1569886725;snsabot;Logged on 2019-09-30 20:18:31 BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: The shooting is a relatively new phenomenon the Uruguayos are still working on. It was only a few months ago that if one tries to hold up a small business the proprietor will shoot became the conventional wisdom here.
1939512;1569886759;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: when was the most recent Officially registered duel in uruguayistan ?
1939513;1569886773;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: They go off occasionally, usually in Ciudad Vieja near the bank central branches or along Avenida Italia
1939514;1569886836;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: https://www.deseret.com/1990/2/27/18848505/uruguay-gives-ok-for-a-duel-to-the-death is 1990, might find more recent if I dig more
1939515;1569886857;asciilifeform;pretty great
1939516;1569886895;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, the chrome blunderbusses were out there in like 2004, in costa rica, IN FRONT OF UNI CAMPUS
1939517;1569886899;BingoBoingo;After leaving office Mujica began touting the virtues of dueling.
1939518;1569886910;mp_en_viaje;i was like wtf, are you ppl nuts ? they were like... no ammo, no receiver part. just the barrel.
1939519;1569886917;mp_en_viaje;"why the fuck ?" "dunno, uniform"
1939520;1569886917;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: lol, what's to even guard there ?
1939521;1569886933;mp_en_viaje;nfi, fucked student under tree to public acclaim.
1939522;1569886988;mp_en_viaje;but they had the white shirt / black "bulletproof" vest & baseball cap uniform.
1939523;1569887015;mp_en_viaje;so i guess it looked satisfyingly like the miami vice their antenna caught ?
1939524;1569887067;BingoBoingo;White shirt black here is the Prosegur S.A. uniform
1939525;1569887101;BingoBoingo;*black vest
1939526;1569887139;mp_en_viaje;pretty sure it was in some made-for-tv 80s thing
1939527;1569887332;mod6;hola, ya; java mine, was performance engineer.
1939528;1569887348;*;BingoBoingo recalling the look in some Tom Clancey flicks
1939529;1569887411;mp_en_viaje;mod6, well mazel tov, that couldv'e been good mentally.
1939530;1569887420;mp_en_viaje;couldn't have been*
1939531;1569887468;mod6;Thanks, mp_en_viaje!  Yeah, it was rough.
1939532;1569887527;mod6;Feels pretty good so far to be free of that.  I don't think it's sunk in quite yet, but it will. :]
1939533;1569887601;mp_en_viaje;cool.