1921144;1561940268;feedbot;http://blog.mod6.net/2019/07/cuntoo-ebuild-prototypes/ << mod6's Blog -- Cuntoo ebuild prototypes
1921145;1561941012;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1921140 << I believe I may be to blame for this weird theme >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784352
1921146;1561941012;a111;Logged on 2019-06-30 23:23 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1921090 << now that you mention it, i remember this weird theme from before, too. wtf ?
1921147;1561941012;a111;Logged on 2018-02-17 05:48 lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784318 << ah damn, sir. Why are you playing with knives here. It was obvious a long time ago that mircea_popescu just wanted you to submit. You can't block the king from intervening in lordly affairs in his own kingdom.
1921148;1561941015;lobbes;though, I no longer see this as such; this is (as diana_coman, Bingo_Boingo point out) a communications problem
1921149;1561941021;lobbes;speaking of, I will have a blog post out tonight addressing my own communication problems
1921150;1561941056;lobbes;mainly, Ima try the weekly "this is what I want to accomplish this week" reports
1921151;1561941540;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> enjoy << I've come back to a great lol. Only one of the three major local parties appears to not have a clear winner. http://bingology.net/2019/05/26/overview-of-local-electoral-politics-heading-into-the-impending-party-internals/#selection-27.0-27.476 << The Frente's presumptive nominee looks like he'll come up just short of 40% and the Frente is going to a contested convention, may have multiple candidates on the
1921152;1561941541;BingoBoingo;October ballot.
1921153;1561943029;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/07/qntra-s-qntr-june-2019-report/ << Qntra -- Qntra (S.QNTR) June 2019 Report
1921154;1561943565;mod6;Good evening, here's this month's State of Bitcoin Address: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2019-July/000333.html
1921155;1561944171;BingoBoingo;In still other election lulz, television crew is tailing the now National Party Presidential Candidate Luis Lacalle Pou and his entourage's Toyata Hilux on its way from the campaign's "bunker" to the party's "casa central"
1921156;1561944368;BingoBoingo;This country is more rural than Missouri
1921157;1561944402;BingoBoingo;And I love it for that.
1921158;1561951013;feedbot;http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/06/forward-looking-report-week-27-of-2019/ << lobbesblog -- Forward-looking report: Week 27 of 2019
1921159;1561960517;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1921005 << ack
1921160;1561960517;a111;Logged on 2019-06-30 18:06 mircea_popescu: trinque, coupla withdrawals ping.
1921161;1561960535;trinque;er, pong!
1921162;1561966521;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-01#1921150 << even if you do them monthly, or quarterly, or whatever works well for you, they're just as good. the sticking point isn't that omg, gotta be every half hour. the sticking point's that you, you first and foremost, WANT the fucking written record so you can reason about your own history meaningfully. rather than treat it as an inestimable, unevaluable and otherwordly gift from the g
1921163;1561966521;a111;Logged on 2019-07-01 00:30 lobbes: mainly, Ima try the weekly "this is what I want to accomplish this week" reports
1921164;1561966522;mircea_popescu; form and unalterable in substance.
1921165;1561966610;mircea_popescu;gotta start taking own life back. absolutely, have to. if not, the destiny is very fucking clear : http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-08#1917827 an' http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-13#1913031
1921166;1561966610;a111;Logged on 2019-06-08 21:15 billymg: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-13#1913031 << something i'm thinking a lot about as well
1921167;1561966610;a111;Logged on 2019-05-13 17:54 lobbes: I've been doing some hard thinking lately, about what I want in life, and about how I'm way too content with my current living situation in the reich. The problem is that man can indeed be content ~anywhere. Nevertheless, I find myself being sucked closer and closer to the intake of the mass chumpatron. My time, my money, my sanity, slowly but surely slipping away with each day
1921168;1561966682;mircea_popescu;you realise, do you, that thing exists EXACTLY as ~teh default lifeflow for minds incapable of examining their lifeflow~. that's what it fucking IS, that is the definition, "the empire is what happens to cattle, incapable of reflection".
1921169;1561966691;mircea_popescu;hence http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-21#1247708 and EVERYTHING ELSE. it is what it is!
1921170;1561966691;a111;Logged on 2015-08-21 23:21 mircea_popescu: "Welcome, kiddo, to how the real world works. You go ahead and place your crazy protest bids way off in the bottom of the sociological order book and scream that someday, SOMEDAY, the market will come down to meet you, and you will be vindicated.
1921171;1561966773;mircea_popescu;i dunno how to get this point across moreso than this, and the previous installment, and the ones before that. but somehow it's gotta be gotten across, because apparently it's the one place everything hangs from.
1921172;1561966881;mircea_popescu;there's two ways to organize human activity : either you sit and think about right and wrong, or else you pick the next-easiest thing. the former produces the republic, the latter produces the empire, with its sorted "market" of "bids" of easiness. these flow NECESSARILY from that choice. that's all, the economic underpinning of the divide is simply and wholly there.
1921173;1561967095;mircea_popescu;the general expectation of the pantsuit that their century-long [http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-22#1526785][loud noise] has eliminated the possibility of thought as a backing of human activity is why they're [http://trilema.com/2014/the-nigger-a-practical-exercise/#selection-151.53-151.106][so] [http://trilema.com/2016/and-they-wont-fucking-yield/][fucking] [http://trilema.com/2015/so-i-found-the-libertard-motherlode/#select
1921174;1561967095;a111;Logged on 2016-08-22 15:31 mircea_popescu: jurov is smart kid, gotta have some ankle weights of stupid and loud noises in inner ear lest he doesn't fit in with the idiots he originally originated with anymore.
1921175;1561967096;mircea_popescu;cheeky], too!
1921176;1561967109;mircea_popescu;meh, wrong link
1921177;1561967150;mircea_popescu;[http://trilema.com/2015/so-i-found-the-libertard-motherlode/#selection-117.3-123.663][cheeky] there.
1921178;1561967360;mircea_popescu;motherfucker, this terminal is eating the final portion of my lines, when they break in two parts.
1921179;1561967400;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-01#1921164 << should be "gods above, fixed in form and unalterable in substance"
1921180;1561967400;a111;Logged on 2019-07-01 07:35 mircea_popescu:  form and unalterable in substance.
1921181;1561967548;mircea_popescu;the many blessings of travel, you get to debug a random pile of strange every short time interval with arbitrarily limited toolsets. and people enjoy this! people who don't even get to play with the bodies of the local choicer bits. incomprehensible.
1921182;1561968298;mircea_popescu;!Qcalc 3799 + 4253 + 2997 + 3721
1921183;1561968312;mircea_popescu;aw shit, lobbes bot down ?
1921184;1561969589;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: lobbesbot is in #eulora
1921185;1561969595;diana_coman;I think it's the auction bot here only
1921186;1561969734;mircea_popescu;!#s "!Qcalc"
1921187;1561969734;a111;122 results for "\"!Qcalc\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22!Qcalc%22
1921188;1561969763;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, i used it recently!
1921189;1561969770;mircea_popescu;did i miss some updates ?
1921190;1561969797;diana_coman;not that I know of/aware of so it seems you are right and it *should* work in here too
1921191;1561969833;diana_coman;lobbes: ^ ?
1921192;1561969965;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo, would you say the share system of compensation is rather a help or rather a hindrance in acquiring new writers for the qntra ?
1921193;1561971000;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/qntra-sqntr-statement-on-q2-2019/ << Trilema -- Qntra (S.QNTR) Statement on Q2 2019
1921194;1561971576;mircea_popescu;in other unexpected sideways minutia, i'm drinking from this bottle of... jurajska. woda z glebi jury. jurov want a picture ?
1921195;1561972203;diana_coman;hm, did qntra ever try specifically to get new writers (and I do mean from outside #trilema really)? or was the idea that some will emerge out of the readers? for that matter I have no idea if/how much is qntra read outside here.
1921196;1561972270;mircea_popescu;the idea was that all the idle fuckwits making up some portion of the 10 billion bipedal cows befouling god's green earth for no purpose and to no benefit will drop their idiotic ways and present themselves for service.
1921197;1561972304;mircea_popescu;so as to actually do something with themselves, as opposed to continuing with idiocy ad idem.
1921198;1561972449;diana_coman;idiocy pays apparently way too well atm for anyone to want to drop it
1921199;1561972481;mircea_popescu;it'll continue to "pay" forever. back when the brits were machine gunning the zulu "warriors", zulu warrioridiocy was also "paying too well"
1921200;1561972500;mircea_popescu;dumbest thing in the world, entering into paywell-ing competitions with idiots.
1921201;1561972548;mircea_popescu;to be honest, i also much prefer the killing of idiots over their redemption. i'd much rather built a machine gun nest in a village than a school.
1921202;1561972570;diana_coman;ah, there is no possible competition no, the infinite points and all that (and in this case just moving on to next idiocy that pays well); at most attrition I had in mind
1921203;1561972583;mircea_popescu;yeah. well, that's happening. slowly.
1921204;1561972598;mircea_popescu;you have no fucking idea jusy how utterly POOR yurpeans are.
1921205;1561972660;mircea_popescu;that's the funny thing. for all the pretense, they are ALREADY the rats living among the ruins of a "distopian future". what fucking distopian ? in the rare cases i'm not the only one in the restaurant, i'm the only one who can afford to pay the bill. everyone else's there with mechanised ious and mommy allowances etc.
1921206;1561972798;mircea_popescu;the average girly that a) looks like anything you'd fuck and b) isn't already outright working the streets has never in her life had in her hand, as discretionary funds, the cost of a decent meal. this is europe, EXACTLY like africa. minus the infrastructure, they're exactly the same place. exactly the same people anyway.
1921207;1561972840;mircea_popescu;and for this obvious sadness, they still go about pretending about "rights" and "no truth exists" and whatnot tenets of the idiocy that got them there, slaves on the continent their forefathers fought etc.
1921208;1561972869;diana_coman;esp the no-cash part is really hard *not* to notice since every goddamned shopkeeper/waiter/whatever forever shoves that machine in but poverty is effectively built on purposeful "short-term memory" anyway
1921209;1561972926;mircea_popescu;from under the well worn tshirt, washed more times than i dipped my cock in woman, from under the "cut up" jeans to mask the wear and tear, from inside the tentsheet shoes only the poorest of the poro kids wore during the LEAN communist years, holding the smashed smartphone ("where did you drop that ?" "which time ?"), they sprout forth the tenents of the idiocy that fucked them.
1921210;1561972990;mircea_popescu;and then i say "yes, but i'm rich, i don't care what you think of anything" and she giggles. and "you can't order things not on the menu" and "don't you need a ticket ?" and "you have to stay here, there's nowhere else" and etcetera.
1921211;1561973009;diana_coman;o.O you can't order things not on the menu??
1921212;1561973012;mircea_popescu;whatever, it's all been said a dozen times.
1921213;1561973047;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, apparently. cuz the menu is like the limit of existence now or something, the "company policy". wanna queue for cabs ?
1921214;1561973084;diana_coman;well, giggles make perfect sense; that's what kid does when confronted with never-heard-of stuff that is however not entirely (though closely) incomprehensible
1921215;1561973110;mircea_popescu;anyway. my point here is : attrition already happened 80% of the way. the difference between frenchgirl i recall from 1992 and frenchgirl i perceive in 2019 is staggering.
1921216;1561973115;mircea_popescu;yet it was PERCEIVED 0%.
1921217;1561973143;mircea_popescu;they've already been attrited out of most anything anyone'd ever want anyway.
1921218;1561973166;diana_coman;ah, I don't expect it's perceived by degrees, no; for as long as it can be not-perceived (i.e. no direct hunger, long hunger sort of thing), it won't be perceived, no.
1921219;1561973202;mircea_popescu;it's honestly not so far off from hunger.
1921220;1561973217;mircea_popescu;22 yo NEVER HAD TROUT BEFORE.
1921221;1561973222;mircea_popescu;is this not hunger ? what is this hunger ?
1921222;1561973323;diana_coman;well, there were schools in the uk where "children are ash-grey and can't think of anything other than food, what learning" - that is closer to hunger; but ofc there is no cause to be addressed there, only rights to be asked for
1921223;1561973335;mircea_popescu;"there is no such fish as truite in french". what, it was my accent ?
1921224;1561973344;diana_coman;trotuar!
1921225;1561973347;mircea_popescu;ikr.
1921226;1561973873;mircea_popescu;the entire floor of this very comfortable hotel i occupy (well, the lesser rooms, i got the nicer corner place) is occupied by large dudes in the tell-tale bodybuilding+tattoos color scheme and their obvious hookers. and they give me either upset or terrified glares whenever we pass, i suppose depending on whether my girls happen to be dressed ("hey, how come he has MULTIPLE?!?! unfare!!!") or not and i'm wielding a paddle o
1921227;1561973873;mircea_popescu;shit what what what").
1921228;1561973892;mircea_popescu;there's not a single nice guy with great sense of humor anywhere in sight. i suppose they're all at the library by choice.
1921229;1561974009;mircea_popescu;yurp belongs to the scrap iron man today. whether homebrew gangster or [http://trilema.com/2019/oslo-that-unredeemably-sad-shithole/#selection-219.0-233.93][imported], "the system" has utterly failed.
1921230;1561974404;diana_coman;on the positive side, europe has a long history of failing in one place and then sprouting up again in another place; sort of used to failure and recovery
1921231;1561974532;mircea_popescu;all i want is for this to be the place.
1921232;1561974972;diana_coman;I want that too and therefore I'm pondering here if I'm not focusing too much on all the tech parts that eulora needs sorted (and the pile just seems to grow) instead of specifically carving out some time for proper outreach of the filtering kind to build up helpers if I can't find them
1921233;1561975026;mircea_popescu;gotta do both things.
1921234;1561975039;mircea_popescu;always gotta do both things, it's how this goes.
1921235;1561975051;mircea_popescu;talk to some kids in between working in the orchard, there's no way out of this.
1921236;1561975098;diana_coman;I did / do on occasion but it seems to me it needs to be way more focused thing than just this leisurely "on occasion"
1921237;1561975112;mircea_popescu;well, the literate process can help there as anywhere.
1921238;1561975131;mircea_popescu;write it down.
1921239;1561975214;diana_coman;will have to, yes.
1921240;1561975249;mircea_popescu;there's deeply ingrained anti-sharing culture leading to http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1921077 style nonsense. i have derived no detriment from my cock being publicly visible ; my sluts derived no detriment from their whatever exposure. there is, literally and strictly, no drawback whatsoever to communication.
1921241;1561975249;a111;Logged on 2019-06-30 19:46 BingoBoingo: I brought up http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1921054 because it epitmoizes the Republican communication problem where despite ample examples, keeping everything "sooper top seekrit" until its absolutely "done" is the most losing strategy.
1921242;1561975283;mircea_popescu;it ~seems there might be~, in all sorta ways manners and "do we still have to DO this". it's an illusion. idiocy simply gets filtered out at 0 cost and that;s that.
1921243;1561975340;mircea_popescu;"somebody" deciding "you are stupid" or whatever the fuck else on the basis of your own fucking work is exactly as interesting as the fly-meaning of flies buzzing by.
1921244;1561975359;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: those that made it at least in here for some talk are fully visible, see the mp3 guy as most recent but as I said, so far I was 99% on "get eulora finally going" ; this clearly has to change because otherwise by the time it's good to go, there's nobody left or something.
1921245;1561975441;mircea_popescu;even without the "oh, bad things in future". it has to change because it's unhealthy. why do eight hour stretches locked in kitchen/orchard/garden whatever when you could be doing twelve hours of relaxed work and play ?
1921246;1561975501;mircea_popescu;back when chet was an adult woman, decade or so before we met, she ran the only old style kitchen in her neighbourhood. local girlies came to hang out and learn how to cook, her house was always full. my cousin i had hannah live with for a coupla months did the same thing, she had two hgirls one year apart of her own and a half dozen daytime live-ins.
1921247;1561975523;mircea_popescu;why eschew the pleasant way this always worked for some ford-esque atrocity of a chaplin parody ?!
1921248;1561975612;mircea_popescu;there is no such thing as human industry that does not benefit from company ; the strange behaviours of baruch spinoza and such are 1. not a tradition but an accident and 2. something the old masters ~regretted~ as an unfortunate result of misguided youth, wasn't their fucking option and choice.
1921249;1561975614;diana_coman;filtering is not relaxed, no; fwiw I DO already have some hours when yes, teaching young people maths mainly; but that's not translating at all so far into having anyone do work for eulora
1921250;1561975649;mircea_popescu;so put up ad, you know, "work with me on X". even if you don't go to local uni to send you students for practice, kids may well show up.
1921251;1561975742;mircea_popescu;pretty much everything worth having in this world can well be had for the cost of a cup of coffee well brewed.
1921252;1561975765;diana_coman;that's precisely the thing: I went to local uni to offer them "come and practice"; result nil; but again and as above: this part needs to come to focus and then (only then) it will work. (I know I made it work before, it's not that I can't or something)
1921253;1561975776;mircea_popescu;right.
1921254;1561975800;mircea_popescu;the one other element is that i suspect formalism has a significant destructive effect.
1921255;1561975871;mircea_popescu;consider this example : at burlesque competition (writing an article about this that'll fill in details) i told organizer i'm giving free vodka to the contestants after the show, and spread the word around. everyone was excited, yet nobody came.
1921256;1561975891;diana_coman;partially there is this obsession with "gotta be a mobile app"; and while sure, one could make a eulora client for mobile if they care for, first of all I DON'T CARE FOR THAT and second ffs, I'm not going to load into my head apple's shit now
1921257;1561975901;mircea_popescu;the girls' PRIVATE commlines however, those were snowed in. it's not that they didn't wanna ; it's that for some (yet uncomprehended) reason they... couldn't just fucking come, not in a group, i dunno.
1921258;1561975917;mircea_popescu;maybe it's an item on the cattle survival list we don't know about, "never act on any public leads". nfi.
1921259;1561975925;diana_coman;ah, hm; THAT might fit very well indeed.
1921260;1561975952;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, honestly, a pointed "no" works wonders. you don't have to either cater or appear to cater to their worldview or expectations. they take that just fine.
1921261;1561976030;diana_coman;they move away; but it's quite possible that it's not because of the "no, not mobile" - that's just the convenient excuse and those same would have found another otherwise
1921262;1561976129;mircea_popescu;but it seems to me talking to the pantsuit youth ~in groups~ is a complete waste of time. from one end to the other, fetlife yielded via private messaging ; okcupid did not yield through public and visible [http://trilema.com/2016/the-unhappy-new-years-or-look-at-the-difference-a-decade-makes/#selection-1113.16-1115.9][group dominance], i dunno the whys and wherefores but they evidently ignore all group anything.
1921263;1561976184;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, possibly the problem was you engaged the matter. imo the correct approach to whatever the fuck nonsense they sprout is simply no and moving back to discussing actually important things.
1921264;1561976199;mircea_popescu;if you spend your time engaging their idiocy on its own terms you'll just be sadder than you need to be.
1921265;1561976237;diana_coman;can still be (I've repeatedly and from-experience cut down on it but possibly still more to cut; it certainly DOES work wonderfully when I'm truly pissed off, yes.)
1921266;1561976281;*;mircea_popescu regularly ignores nonsense on "absolute truth" "respect" "consent" etc blablabla from assorted girlies. they handle it just fine, in fact all they're really looking for is some kind of release from it. if there's a place where things can be discussed without reference to the pantsuit mental infrastructure they're perfectly happy to.
1921267;1561976352;mircea_popescu;so simply do that. "oh, is this a mobile app ?" "ehh, *handwave* mobile apps. here's the weird thing about shaders..."
1921268;1561976388;diana_coman;will do.
1921269;1561976455;mircea_popescu;and the other item in this rapidly depleting bucket of possibly useful ideas : fucking pick. obviously i'll look at a group and go "talk to that one with the tits" or w/e such, my picks are easy peasy. but this doesn't mean yo ucan't pick! look at a group, select the donkey with the more intelligent gaze, talk to that, what's to keep you.
1921270;1561976480;mircea_popescu;you hold your lordship like anyone else, your choice enacts reality, if someone else was the smartypants you didn't pick, shame on ~THEM~. they should've looked more like it.
1921271;1561976515;diana_coman;that's certainly something I need to work more on, yes.
1921272;1561976524;mircea_popescu;can pick any which way you choose, and if you don't like it... guess what! you can change it!
1921273;1561976583;mircea_popescu;one of the key crowd control mechanisms of the empire, useful esp at the top, is this discouragement of arbitrariety. what, you're made of hookmeat or something ? you can pick, that's what you're here for, to pick!
1921274;1561976721;diana_coman;I suppose I'm fighting more my own fear of "wrong" pick than anything; one thing that good memory does at least is that it keeps there for ever ALL the lessons learnt and changes/improvements made too so yes, can change further.
1921275;1561976761;mircea_popescu;you know ?
1921276;1561976768;mircea_popescu;pick-and-choose will break their goop!
1921277;1561976815;diana_coman;it's a shame the child is only 6 as otherwise he's anyway coming home straight to check that I didn't "do anything with the computer parts" while he was away; and I have yet to see any of his play-mates that want to leave our house when time is up, lol.
1921278;1561976832;mircea_popescu;haha.
1921279;1561976851;mircea_popescu;that kid will have one hellvua childgood.
1921280;1561976853;diana_coman;well, I guess he may have his own computer when he builds one himself, too
1921281;1561976859;mircea_popescu;well, i meant childhood, but anwyays.
1921282;1561977539;*;mircea_popescu goes back to writing these boring missives nobody ever reads
1921283;1561977545;mircea_popescu;kekekekekekeks
1921284;1561977832;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-01#1921246 - btw, meant to say, whether my-fault or whatever, "a house always full" will see me running for the hills.
1921285;1561977832;a111;Logged on 2019-07-01 10:05 mircea_popescu: back when chet was an adult woman, decade or so before we met, she ran the only old style kitchen in her neighbourhood. local girlies came to hang out and learn how to cook, her house was always full. my cousin i had hannah live with for a coupla months did the same thing, she had two hgirls one year apart of her own and a half dozen daytime live-ins.
1921286;1561977858;mircea_popescu;so do your own thing, it's your own house.
1921287;1561977869;diana_coman;aha, precisely.
1921288;1561977894;mircea_popescu;just, you know, whichever way you answer to the burdens of living, an answer you must give.
1921289;1561977909;mircea_popescu;breathe as you breathe just as long as you get oxygen in ; eat as you eat, just as long ... and so on.
1921290;1561977940;mircea_popescu;there's no "i'll be a living organism only doing 2/5 of the things living organisms must do". this is not an available option.
1921291;1561977974;diana_coman;certainly; I've put it in the log more to make it clear that it's just one example, not some "has to be this way"
1921292;1561977983;mircea_popescu;right.
1921293;1561978074;mircea_popescu;copying the forms may be a great way to get to the substance -- which is why say all painters who painted back when painting worked and such a thing as being a master painter was still on the table learned the craft in "full houses", run by some older painter ; but we're adults, we're in the business of substance here, no amount of formalist perfection's gonna do anything on its own.
1921294;1561978183;diana_coman;you know, they used to say "he was bred to painting/butchering/whatever"
1921295;1561978194;mircea_popescu;hm ?
1921296;1561978266;diana_coman;about "learning a skill"; I've read recently Benjamin Franklin's own auto-biography and that's how he put it everywhere.
1921297;1561978534;mircea_popescu;yup!
1921298;1561978557;mircea_popescu;kinda how it worked, 1700s.
1921299;1561989395;mircea_popescu;ty!
1921300;1561990536;*;asciilifeform ate log. will take mircea_popescu's prescription.
1921301;1561990630;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu plox to elaborate re 'unreviewable theorems'
1921302;1561990812;*;asciilifeform mired, it so happens just nao, in pile of saecular crapola, 'lucky' strike similar to mircea_popescu's modem troubles the other day.
1921303;1561991314;mircea_popescu;it said "your single-path-impredictable-and-unreviewable theorems" ; they'd be these 1. "theorems", as the term is used here, ie, constructions of the mind, which are 2. single-path as in, there is only one possible way to get there (unlike true constructions of the mind, which can always be reached from a multitude of nodes, the implication being that these are mere masks on specific structures of psychogenic noise, not bon
1921304;1561991314;mircea_popescu; objects) and further 3. escape any possibility of planning, denoted by prediction and review.
1921305;1561991451;mircea_popescu;when newton sits down to do some work, newton proceeds from the edges of the known in a general direction, yes, but he can do this in a number of ways at a number of times ; he is not seized upon by sudden inspiration, to be helplessly thrown to and fro like a maniac, arriving he knows not when or where.
1921306;1561992189;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/the-burlesque-competition-and-assorted-observances/ << Trilema -- The burlesque competition and assorted observances
1921307;1561993941;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: a, i thought you were re: the 1 actual theorem ( asciilifeform has just that 1, and imho pretty trivial result )
1921308;1561994016;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: actually i have opposite problem, typically end up walking dozen dead end paths before find usable one.
1921309;1561994168;asciilifeform;as i understand, per the teachings of mircea_popescu , if walked 9000 dead ends -- ought to chronicle 9000 dead ends. but when, then, to chronicle the usable ?
1921310;1561995643;mircea_popescu;afterwards.
1921311;1561998951;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-01#1921192 << I am unsure whether it is an aid or a hinderance. douchebag and other passers by have suggested the share thing may be a hinderance. On the contrary to the back monkey theory http://trilema.com/2019/qntra-sqntr-statement-on-q2-2019/#selection-59.160-63.0 doing 1.2 qntra pieces daily month after month seems to be the major activity in my life keeping me more or less sane.
1921312;1561998951;a111;Logged on 2019-07-01 08:32 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, would you say the share system of compensation is rather a help or rather a hindrance in acquiring new writers for the qntra ?
1921313;1561998951;BingoBoingo;It would be nice if more hands came to this deck but little reason to order yours here when you have other avenues for educating them and more productive uses to apply them to. Principally it would be nice if more people climbed out of the muck. But http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1795969
1921314;1561998951;a111;Logged on 2018-04-11 03:27 mircea_popescu: back when some imbecile went to fake news media rather than coming to qntra, got sent to jail for it, STILL did not admit there exists no media online besides qntra.
1921315;1561999054;BingoBoingo;The loud noise http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-01#1921173 seems to have flattened to the world to shit, though apparently not Poland yet!
1921316;1561999054;a111;Logged on 2019-07-01 07:44 mircea_popescu: the general expectation of the pantsuit that their century-long [http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-22#1526785][loud noise] has eliminated the possibility of thought as a backing of human activity is why they're [http://trilema.com/2014/the-nigger-a-practical-exercise/#selection-151.53-151.106][so] [http://trilema.com/2016/and-they-wont-fucking-yield/][fucking] [http://trilema.com/2015/so-i-found-the-libertard-motherlode/#select
1921317;1562003747;BingoBoingo;Anyways, as I compile this market profile for public consumption it is clear that when pizarro churner pushing copy, the copy'll have to include some of the things we host as an introduction to the Republic. This would mean Qntra, Eulora, and whoever might want their blogs listed.
1921318;1562004185;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile in local news, the small parties https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/la-pelea-de-los-chicos-para-llegar-a-los-500-votos-2019630204726
1921319;1562006602;diana_coman;BingoBoingo: if it helps pizarro in the slightest, feel free to list my blog, sure
1921320;1562007034;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: ty
1921321;1562007192;*;BingoBoingo to acquire a whole pollo speido y continue outlining a very sad market
1921322;1562009339;mircea_popescu;the cherries popped sometime yesterday. (this is an euro event, sometime during the summer the mega cherries, huge, delicious, appear by the truckload on the market).
1921323;1562009360;*;mircea_popescu has been buying by the bushel, from street vendor conveniently placed right under my balcony. omfg cherries! fucking delish
1921324;1562009853;mircea_popescu;"Y sin mucho aparato político ni recursos para poder imprimir listas a cuatro tintas, la tarea no era fácil." << dorks can't afford 500 color copies, think they're party. in continuation&extension of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1795969
1921325;1562009853;a111;Logged on 2018-04-11 03:27 mircea_popescu: back when some imbecile went to fake news media rather than coming to qntra, got sent to jail for it, STILL did not admit there exists no media online besides qntra.
1921326;1562011395;BingoBoingo;Not like anyone prohibited black and white laser printed or photocopied lists, but the marginal gotta obsess over the colors because they haven't been stomped enough
1921327;1562014577;feedbot;http://bingology.net/2019/07/01/market-segment-research-report-1-self-aware-surplus-males/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Market Segment Research Report #1: Self Aware Surplus Males
1921328;1562014654;BingoBoingo;^ Could also be titled "In Sad State of Sad World Largest Market Is Saddest"
1921329;1562016363;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo, i was thinking maybe it'd be a good move to reform the qntra structure, have outright 10c/word payable for copy for colalborators, do say weekly deedbot payouts or something.
1921330;1562016415;mircea_popescu;i mean, the whole get shares thing is eminently fair, respectful whatever, but evidently the cattle's neither interested nor ready for anything like that.
1921331;1562016473;mircea_popescu;make two tiers, so the editor in chief + i guess whatever others we promote to permanent editorship still has the option to get shares ; but the rest just get a payoff.
1921332;1562016537;mircea_popescu;i guess i'd have to open it a credit line, make a convertible bond, something. still mulling all this over.
1921333;1562016862;BingoBoingo;That's likely to get more interest from the outside. May get the corruption pump going which is kinda what we stalled out on with the Republic as salaryman's hobby.
1921334;1562017012;*;BingoBoingo out to enjoy some pseudo-winter air and do some mulling
1921335;1562017111;BingoBoingo;But I suspect equity just isn't corrupting enough on its own for the masses
1921336;1562017137;mircea_popescu; anyway, i shall be travelling tomorrow, but we get back on this wed.
1921337;1562017158;mircea_popescu;anybody wanna play the "guess where mp comes up for air next" game btw ?
1921338;1562017169;BingoBoingo;Cool, no rush on this. Let the mulling continue!
1921339;1562017185;BingoBoingo;Imma have to guess Italy of all places
1921340;1562017357;asciilifeform;norilsk.
1921341;1562017393;mircea_popescu;fun times!
1921342;1562017433;lobbes;I'ma guess turkey
1921343;1562017483;lobbes;btw BingoBoingo feel free to use my blog as an example of rockchip hosting if you'd like
1921344;1562017499;lobbes;auctionbot also hosted on rockchip
1921345;1562017570;mircea_popescu;ima give a bitcent to the eventual winner (if nobody gets exact location, closest guess counts ; though global designations [ie, zones or countries rather than towns] will be taken at the least-favourable value)
1921346;1562018050;mircea_popescu;re holy shit that get lost, dumbo article is fucking endless.
1921347;1562019629;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo, https://archive.is/P4cM3 << ahaha, some fucktard FROM FUCKING ROMANIA ?
1921348;1562019648;mircea_popescu;are you kidding me ? romanians are retarded, forget about it.
1921349;1562020661;mircea_popescu;in other antique lulz : http://trilema.com/2014/%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0-%D0%B8-%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0/#comment-104059 cutoff meanwhile occured.
1921350;1562020666;mircea_popescu;no doubt fellow is nao king.
1921351;1562021999;BingoBoingo;I'm have to retract the Italian joke and take a wild stab at Minsk
1921352;1562049535;diana_coman;Cairo!
1921353;1562051268;spyked;lol diana_coman beat me to it! so I'm gonna throw a n-faced die, biased by this fuckin heatwave, and put my finger on vilnius
1921354;1562051994;bvt;i'd say vienna
1921355;1562052984;phf;since bvt beat me to vienna, i'll go with my second guess, zagreb
1921356;1562054945;bvt;phf: if you are still here, one small question: what is the purpose of this line http://btcbase.org/patches/vtools_ksum#L64 ? Fs is not used anywhere later.
1921357;1562058615;phf;bvt: you're right, i think it's stale code, because ksum used to read entire file into memory
1921358;1562059634;*;mircea_popescu waves buh bye, mah shuttle's here.
1921359;1562066973;feedbot;http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/094-tmsr-work-iii.html << The Tar Pit -- TMSR work: interlude and plan for 2019 M7
1921360;1562070224;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-02#1921353 - hmmmm, heatwave must be the name they give to good weather in England, lol. It's been perfectly sunny, blue skies, 20-22 degrees around here!
1921361;1562070224;a111;Logged on 2019-07-02 07:07 spyked: lol diana_coman beat me to it! so I'm gonna throw a n-faced die, biased by this fuckin heatwave, and put my finger on vilnius
1921362;1562070249;diana_coman;that being said, vilnius can be scorching in summer, ugh
1921363;1562071031;spyked;diana_coman, nice! brother went to edinburgh and down to canterbury a few days ago, caught about zero rain, which I suppose must be rare
1921364;1562071227;spyked;it's 36-40 celsius over in bucharest, dry oven-like weather. /me went out at noon and could take 20-30 minutes outside without hassle, tho
1921365;1562072297;diana_coman;over longer term there is for sure some adapting to different temperatures going on as now I'd struggle even at 30 quite quickly and certainly much more than I used to do ages ago.
1921366;1562076158;ave1;I guess Paris
1921367;1562083040;diana_coman;!!key Gorwrath
1921368;1562083040;deedbot;Not registered.
1921369;1562094877;mp_en_viaje;aaand the winner is....
1921370;1562094879;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo,
1921371;1562094904;mp_en_viaje;whom, i suspect, went and checked nicole's fetlife profile.
1921372;1562095108;diana_coman;congrats BingoBoingo !
1921373;1562095303;mp_en_viaje;cheating!!!11 will get you anywhere
1921374;1562095774;*;asciilifeform pictures mp_en_viaje lodged in that 1 house in viskuli, 1000km of forest around, where they signed the sovok surrender
1921375;1562095796;mp_en_viaje;it's actually quite nice.
1921376;1562095845;asciilifeform;reportedly indeed is, iirc putin still takes vacation there
1921377;1562095852;mp_en_viaje;they do things slightly differently around here, had a guy waiting in the street as i showed up, to do various errands for me ; eventually i sent him off to bring more keys and assorted odds and ends (be right back, 5 minute!!!)
1921378;1562095914;mp_en_viaje;and as the girls were in trouble, five minutes later runner busts through the door to face me, coincidentally standing in the halway with my pants unbuttoned and a crop in my hand, while one girl naked and the other skirt rolled up to her belybuitton facing me...
1921379;1562095923;mp_en_viaje;i am now very respected in certain sections of belarus.
1921380;1562095932;BingoBoingo;<mp_en_viaje> whom, i suspect, went and checked nicole's fetlife profile. << Nah, I took a stab at what's probably the opposite of Italy
1921381;1562095941;mp_en_viaje;srsly ?
1921382;1562095953;mp_en_viaje;great inspiration then1
1921383;1562095995;BingoBoingo;You hate Italians, had a good time in Poland. I took a stab at what would follow the pursuit of more Poland less Italian
1921384;1562096110;mp_en_viaje;well i certainly like bielarusians. and yes, the cunt even better quality than poland, in a strictly physical sense. somewhat more fucked in the head though.
1921385;1562096148;mp_en_viaje;btw asciilifeform you ever been here ?
1921386;1562096155;mp_en_viaje;i suspect you'd fuckin glvoe the food.
1921387;1562096277;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: haven't been , but it's on the short list of where to move if/when jailbroken
1921388;1562096286;mp_en_viaje;definitely.
1921389;1562096294;asciilifeform;sorta like a less militantly-retarded ukristan
1921390;1562096306;mp_en_viaje;i'd say they're more pleasant yes.
1921391;1562096387;asciilifeform;pet of asciilifeform is (2 gens out) from there.
1921392;1562096416;mp_en_viaje;had a large order of dranki, came with a literal boat of (not so sour) cream ; the borsht came with sliced slana, i'm fatted out.
1921393;1562096529;diana_coman;for the past 3 minutes or so I tried to remember ANY food I had in belarus; can't remember anything; either it was too close to one-of-the-homes or I have no idea why it's such a black hole this one.
1921394;1562096687;mp_en_viaje;imo the local borscht queen of the variations.
1921395;1562096748;mp_en_viaje;buckwheat bliny ?
1921396;1562096879;diana_coman;I suspect the trouble really is that by that time I was already used to a mixture of estonian+belarus+russian+lithuanian home-cuisine that I can't pick it apart what is exactly from where
1921397;1562097109;BingoBoingo;Anyways, I'll put my next guess in early: Chisinau, Transnistria
1921398;1562097125;diana_coman;ahaha, why not Odessa?
1921399;1562097513;mp_en_viaje;lol
1921400;1562100403;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/07/usg-surveillance-firm-cloudflare-brings-downtime-to-many-popular-websites/ << Qntra -- USG Surveillance Firm Cloudflare Brings Downtime To Many Popular Websites
1921401;1562125619;mp_en_viaje;in othr lulz, http://minsk-brsm.by/
1921402;1562127535;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: europistan's deepest nature preserve, neh. 1000 y.o. trees, bison who died errywhere else 400y ago; why not also komsomol then ?
1921403;1562134943;diana_coman;in lol-from-1990: "although cost-conscious buyers may scoff at color monitors, we believe that anything that encourages people to use computers is important!" (Foley et al, ref graphics book)
1921404;1562143216;mp_en_viaje;keks
1921405;1562143248;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, bison still in poland, that vodka i mentioned is made somehow from some fields where bison roams, as per tradition.
1921406;1562143259;mp_en_viaje;and romania.for that matter, hanbot got to pet a baby bison years ago.
1921407;1562143309;mp_en_viaje;anyway, the funny part was that the damn thing sounds JUST EXACTLY how a mp-run minsk-bdsm authority would go. "forward quality youth!" etc.
1921408;1562143530;mp_en_viaje;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/PPJG0/?raw=true << approx translation, for the innocent. well, not exaclty innocent, just cyrillicless.
1921409;1562143538;mp_en_viaje;for the cynically cyrillicless.
1921410;1562146072;diana_coman;lol
1921411;1562146266;diana_coman;and all the lenins are probably still there, where I saw them in 2010 for that matter aka http://ossasepia.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Lenin-copy.jpg
1921412;1562146617;mp_en_viaje;certainly, i went by a large big lenin. driver was kinda proud of it, too.
1921413;1562146646;diana_coman;we had somewhere this sort of game "spot&count the lenins in the town" lolz
1921414;1562146764;diana_coman;other than that, the countryside was precisely Baragan-style (including the locals-staring-at-this-weird-unknown-woman)
1921415;1562146779;mp_en_viaje;really ? seems mostly forest around.
1921416;1562146809;diana_coman;at least where I went deeper it was the sort of forest along the water that you get e.g. along ialomita
1921417;1562146817;mp_en_viaje;hm.
1921418;1562146818;diana_coman;so yes "forest" but not mountain style
1921419;1562146834;diana_coman;and it is rather flat overall, what mountains
1921420;1562146864;diana_coman;then again, it *was* an agricultural area where I went, yes
1921421;1562146876;mp_en_viaje;well, there's certainly a very sad vibe of "bdsm, you mean that escort service" and other such "we're still in the 80s over here" mentality issues. heck, they even had a dubious cover band at restaurant last night, did "imagine" and then "friends will be friends" and etc, phonetically.
1921422;1562146895;mp_en_viaje;they're still mentally digesting john lennon, what go nude in the streets.
1921423;1562146907;diana_coman;that's the thing, I went there in 2010 and I was like...whoa, here's 80s all over again, ugh
1921424;1562146946;mp_en_viaje;today's independence day, too.
1921425;1562146986;diana_coman;parade?
1921426;1562147198;diana_coman;possibly since 2010 so much changed that they are ...still in the 80s.
1921427;1562152995;mp_en_viaje;i expect.
1921428;1562158095;mp_en_viaje;in other lulz : http://archive.is/kTuR7
1921429;1562158098;mp_en_viaje;no alternatives in minsk.
1921430;1562162578;diana_coman;lol, probably accurate
1921431;1562162598;diana_coman;I have just finished my cuntoo-to-be box, ha.
1921432;1562164650;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-03#1921412 << afaik it's world's biggest remaining reservation of brass lenins.
1921433;1562164650;a111;Logged on 2019-07-03 09:36 mp_en_viaje: certainly, i went by a large big lenin. driver was kinda proud of it, too.
1921434;1562164723;*;asciilifeform atm buried under pile of for-food scutwork; started however to write new battle plan, a la spyked et al
1921435;1562167680;billymg;mp_en_viaje: i'm speaking to a realtor in cr soon about some listings, i was hoping to get your thoughts on one of the listings as well as general feedback/guidance on my strategy. i've included some details about my current situation to provide more context. if you could find the time to review please and give advice it would be immensely helpful: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/eC3ir/?raw=true
1921436;1562169030;BingoBoingo;billymg: Are you looking to at listings to rent or to buy?
1921437;1562172813;billymg;BingoBoingo: to buy, as that seems like the easiest way to get money out of the reich without raising eyebrows
1921438;1562172897;BingoBoingo;Could get a lawyer to draft up a letter swearing your suitcase of benjis is for your epic casino vacation instead? Seems like renting would be smarter while figuring out what to look for inspecting the local buildings.
1921439;1562173093;billymg;that's true, and i might be overthinking it. perhaps opening a bank account in cr and wiring everything over is really not a big deal. but then i'd worry that would make it easier for someone to hit the "undo" button on the transfer
1921440;1562173140;billymg;unless step to is withdraw to suitcase full of benjies. but then if stashed in a rental, easier for someone to walk up to landlord and say "we need to look inside"
1921441;1562173158;BingoBoingo;Well, Bitcoin's also a thing.
1921442;1562173253;billymg;i have coin as well, and for that the same fear. if not surrounded by some acres then easier to get to
1921443;1562173328;BingoBoingo;Well, cattle rustling is still a thing in Uruguay. Usually takes the form of 5-12 men rolling into a field and butchering the cow in place.
1921444;1562173383;BingoBoingo;There's no magic that'll take all the possible dangers away
1921445;1562173444;feedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2019/07/03/growing-young-hands/ << Ossa Sepia -- Growing Young Hands
1921446;1562173465;billymg;and i'm in the situation of having more spare fiat than i expected to, by way of winning startup tech co stock option lottery. so dumping some of that into property outside the reich, even if not A+ investment, is not something i would stress about
1921447;1562173555;billymg;and for bitcoin, not sure where to even buy large amounts these days
1921448;1562173689;asciilifeform;billymg: depending on what means 'large amount' -- pizarro could easily suffice
1921449;1562173724;billymg;asciilifeform: the monthly auctions?
1921450;1562173728;asciilifeform;aha
1921451;1562173786;*;BingoBoingo to put the auctions up a bit after 0:00 UTC
1921452;1562174270;billymg;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-10#1917856 << means 0.39 sold in the last auction?
1921453;1562174270;a111;Logged on 2019-06-10 10:37 jurov: !!invoice BingoBoingo 0.39 auction #1049: 2835 WFF sent
1921454;1562174317;billymg;in that case, off by a bit for the fiat needing to be absorbed
1921455;1562174383;billymg;is it that real estate is necessarily always a bad investment, even for someone already comfortable with the amount of coin they have on hand?
1921456;1562174525;billymg;also, i hear buying > $x worth of property in some places gets you on fast track to residency/citizenship. although perhaps parking in local bank account has the same effect
1921457;1562174605;asciilifeform;billymg: (ianal but) not aware of any country where 'just park' worx. normally they want you to buy lands.
1921458;1562174647;asciilifeform;e.g. in europistan, last i saw 800k usd worth of buy-in gets you passport ( why would want -- separate q )
1921459;1562174811;asciilifeform;billymg: re heavy industrial amts of coin -- the only afaik fella here who could even theoretically help, is mp_en_viaje , ask him when he wakes up, it is possible that this is the year he's buying a soviet sub or sumsuch
1921460;1562174929;asciilifeform;it is unlikely, but worth to ask imho.
1921461;1562175231;asciilifeform;billymg: prolly you already know that in (afaik) erry country colonized by reich, if you walk in to open bank acct in yer human name, and they ask for passport and you pull out usa passport, they will either refuse entirely or make for you an acct that is immediately reported to usg tax ministry for express pillage
1921462;1562175283;billymg;yes, aware of this
1921463;1562175311;asciilifeform;there are various known solutions to this, but none (unsurprisingly) 'official'. mp_en_viaje discussed variously in the logs, how it is done.
1921464;1562175330;billymg;i was viewing real estate "investment" as one of them
1921465;1562175359;billymg;more difficult to pillage than numbers on a screen
1921466;1562175493;*;billymg was very depressed when he learned ~2-3 years ago that "his" money was not in fact his at all
1921467;1562176127;billymg;re: converting all remaining fiat to coin: if i were asciilifeform or similar and had bulletproof keys then i perhaps would not mind having 99.9% of net worth in coin. but since i am not, i feel some amount of hedging against my own fallibility is prudent
1921468;1562176386;asciilifeform;waiwat -- what is 'bulletproof key' ??
1921469;1562176391;diana_coman;billymg: perhaps worth asking jurov too re btc
1921470;1562176476;asciilifeform;and how the hell could one 'hedge against own fallibility'
1921471;1562176592;asciilifeform;it's a square circle, billymg , either sumthing is yours or it aint. if it's yours, you could lose, or forget where you put, where do you suppose 'buried treasure' comes from for archaeologists to find.
1921472;1562176655;billymg;asciilifeform: yes, so if i accidentally my keys, nice to at least have roof over my head still, or some benjies in a suitcase, is all i'm saying
1921473;1562176703;asciilifeform;billymg: the slightly trickier puzzler is to retain the keys even if abruptly parted from the roof and the suitcase. but this, too, discussed in prev. thrds.
1921474;1562176772;billymg;diana_coman: ty, will keep in mind
1921475;1562176881;billymg;asciilifeform: aha, makes sense
1921476;1562179152;BingoBoingo;billymg: The thing about buying real estate is that it immediately incurs costs to maintain and defend the property. If the place has been sitting empty there can already be a deficit.
1921477;1562179177;BingoBoingo;As far as residency and how to get non-US ID goes, that varies from place to place.
1921478;1562181128;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/07/yesterday-cloudflare-today-facebook-web-bigs-having-trouble-staying-up/ << Qntra -- Yesterday CloudFlare, Today Facebook! Web Bigs Having Trouble Staying Up
1921479;1562181270;BingoBoingo;Apparently 2017's Chileños moved on from Uruguay to Germany https://www.montevideo.com.uy/Noticias/Alemania-es-incapaz-de-frenar-robos-de-cajeros-automaticos-uc723158
1921480;1562182184;BingoBoingo;Also in local news, "What is nightlife and why should anything happen after midnight?" https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/ley-que-regula-consumo-y-venta-de-alcohol-lo-que-se-puede-y-lo-que-no--201973151312
1921481;1562191180;mp_en_viaje;sooo... i might be the only person in the world to be hit on by their 19yo ~stewardess~, but it fucking happened. as i'm sitting in line to get a local phone sim, this bubbly chick is all "oh, i flew you yesterday, remember me ???"
1921482;1562192485;mp_en_viaje;billymg, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/3QRY8/?raw=true
1921483;1562192760;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, uruguay sounds like it's embracing turning into an utter shithole, huh.
1921484;1562192798;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: Well, it seems like the last gasp of the current OldWoman regime
1921485;1562192829;mp_en_viaje;fucking ridiculous. give free shots on campus, wtf. the problem of latinos is insufficient market access of young cunt.
1921486;1562192889;mp_en_viaje;get everyone marketed much more important than retarded hangups about "what hours things happen". the principal problem of latino teenagers is that they don't have access to a market where to sell their cunt, end up wasting it and therefore their life.
1921487;1562192937;mp_en_viaje;whether one eats lunch at 2pm or 9pm or 3 am or w/e much the shit less important, not to mention batshit insane arbitrary preoccupation.
1921488;1562192990;BingoBoingo;Seriously too many pretty girls on the trash details that should be doing anything else
1921489;1562193045;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-03#1921455 << nothing wrong with owning some real estate, in principle.
1921490;1562193045;a111;Logged on 2019-07-03 17:19 billymg: is it that real estate is necessarily always a bad investment, even for someone already comfortable with the amount of coin they have on hand?
1921491;1562193213;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-03#1921468 << he;s afraid he'll fuck something up end up without the coin. not an irresponsible pov, esp seeing how no tmsr os, no reasl tmsr bitcoind etc.
1921492;1562193213;a111;Logged on 2019-07-03 17:53 asciilifeform: waiwat -- what is 'bulletproof key' ??
1921493;1562193441;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: aha, but apparently [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-03#1921467][thought] asciilifeform had one hidden in back pocket somewhere ??
1921494;1562193441;a111;Logged on 2019-07-03 17:48 billymg: re: converting all remaining fiat to coin: if i were asciilifeform or similar and had bulletproof keys then i perhaps would not mind having 99.9% of net worth in coin. but since i am not, i feel some amount of hedging against my own fallibility is prudent
1921495;1562193472;mp_en_viaje;he just thinks you're in a much better position to evaluate the risks.
1921496;1562193508;asciilifeform;( as amply documented by mp_en_viaje ) being 'in better position to evaluate $risk' is often ~bad thing~
1921497;1562193514;mp_en_viaje;yeswell.
1921498;1562193543;mp_en_viaje;anyway, there's worse fates than owning a bit of land here and there.
1921499;1562193548;mp_en_viaje;such as, for isntance, not owning it.
1921500;1562193586;asciilifeform;sorta why in '41 they gave out 'наркомовские 100 грамм' of vodka at the front. so cannon fodder can put brakes on 'evaluate the risk' and die for motherland properly.
1921501;1562193649;mp_en_viaje;o btw, got some shots of minks air parade today.
1921502;1562193664;mp_en_viaje;the antique shit these people got flying...
1921503;1562193687;asciilifeform;speaking of which, trump promised a -- first ever in washingtonistan -- tank an' plane parade tomorrow
1921504;1562193719;mp_en_viaje;does he  call it off "for fear of life loss" when he discovers no tanks that actually still run left ?
1921505;1562193731;asciilifeform;i'ma find out shortly
1921506;1562193735;mp_en_viaje;indeed.
1921507;1562193769;mp_en_viaje;anyway, the jets dumping flares was very popular with locals.
1921508;1562194571;mp_en_viaje;" This being said, there is as always plenty of space for doing better at this, certainly, especially since I know very well how much worse it was before I specifically set about to make it better, step by step" << diana_coman on the everquest
1921509;1562203540;BingoBoingo;!Xbuy 154mn 120 500 WFF, WU esta bien
1921510;1562203540;auctionbot;Buy order # 1050 created by BingoBoingo: 500 WFF, WU esta bien Opening: 154mn ecu Ending: 2019-07-08 13:34:39.955285 UTC (119 hours)
1921511;1562203553;BingoBoingo;!Xbuy 400mn 120 2835 WFF, Wire Only
1921512;1562203553;auctionbot;Buy order # 1051 created by BingoBoingo: 2835 WFF, Wire Only Opening: 400mn ecu Ending: 2019-07-08 13:34:53.247970 UTC (119 hours)
1921513;1562211463;billymg;mp_en_viaje: thank you for the response. it's given me some more to think about
1921514;1562211500;billymg;re: timing, i'm worried that the next bitcoin spike, which feels due soon, will again create a climate of jealousy/resentment in the population towards anyone with btc
1921515;1562211620;mp_en_viaje;dude, the general population. who gives a flying fuck about the general population ?
1921516;1562211639;billymg;only that it provides politicians pretense to do what they want to do anyway, take
1921517;1562211684;*;billymg imagines some politician someday rolling out 90% "bitcoin tax" for purposes of "fairness"
1921518;1562211732;mp_en_viaje;the general population in minsk is stuck saving all week on their miserly $100/week salary to take girlfriend out on independence day, only to get kicked out of the booth because there's some people there doing bottles. the general population sits morosely at the bar while their gf watches my whores mouth agape for half an hour only to eventually work up the gumption to come over and complain about ~the noise~. in a fucking bar. so i tell them to ge
1921519;1562211732;mp_en_viaje;t lost and they... do. because what the fuck are they gonna do.
1921520;1562211747;mp_en_viaje;billymg, and ?
1921521;1562211785;mp_en_viaje;the only real danger is, your brain rotting into the sad shape where you'd actually pay ; or think such a thing as paying is conceivable.
1921522;1562212093;mp_en_viaje;payin bitcoin "taxes" because fiatards told you to requires exactly the same mental processes as "buying" brooklyn bridge because street urchins told you to ; or not eating lobster because teacup-in-the-sky told you to.
1921523;1562212098;mp_en_viaje;religious furies.
1921524;1562212274;billymg;well, not just because told you to, but rather, show up at house, ask a bit more firmly
1921525;1562212377;billymg;that's why somewhere further away, politically and geographically. otherwise could just as well get land in rural texas if plan is to simply respond "no"
1921526;1562212411;mp_en_viaje;ask what the fuck ?
1921527;1562212457;billymg;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-24#1844050 << this thread is what i'm thinking of
1921528;1562212457;a111;Logged on 2018-08-24 00:58 asciilifeform: it is possible to be shivved by street robber in sao paolo, or gnawed by bear in kamchatka, etc. but robber and bear do not grep yer packetz for 'might have btc' etc
1921529;1562212509;mp_en_viaje;yours is a bizarre conception of the world. http://trilema.com/2015/a-lunatic-with-a-bloodied-axe-could-be-ringing-at-your-door/ is not locale-bound.
1921530;1562212659;mp_en_viaje;you could, similarily, be gnawed to death by rats. this is paranoia, plain and simple ; if it fixes on "other people" you move to rural texas (or w/e, rural ok, as the dpb case may be). if it fixes on "packets" you move to whatever, cabin in woods like the unabomber guy. if it fixes on corn you move to sugarcane country... but seriously now, paranoid delusion shouldn't be the driver of man's activity.
1921531;1562212759;mp_en_viaje;sooner or later you will have to say no, whatever you are, whatever you do and wherever you do it ; moreover the problem with living among idiots is that you become one, not that they "get smart to you".
1921532;1562213293;billymg;my reading of that thread may have been wrong but my takeaway was that http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-24#1844017 is inevitable
1921533;1562213293;a111;Logged on 2018-08-24 00:46 asciilifeform: 20th c was century of dekulakizations, where 'these motherfuckers won't give up their hard currency to socialist motherland, let's light fire under their feet', typically shooting was not 1st step, but last step, of algo
1921534;1562213459;billymg;and when this happens, or how it happens, is not something i'd like to predict, but rather be far enough away to watch from a distance
1921535;1562213533;mp_en_viaje;well, you'll also eventually die. "not if i just keep away from the site of my eventual death" is your answer ?
1921536;1562213591;asciilifeform;'coward dies 1000 deaths, brave man - 1'(tm)(r)
1921537;1562213721;mp_en_viaje;i think part of the problem is maybe a kind of literalism. i wouldn't say the thread is ~incorrect~ ; i would however say it does not relate to you in the manner you imply. it is a historical and statistical account, like say a discussion of female biological inferiority.
1921538;1562213768;mp_en_viaje;conceivably a girly reading a discussion about how women are born less than men gets disheartened and quits highschool. this is not particularly sound reasoning, the biological and statitical discussion says nothing about her.
1921539;1562213806;billymg;ah, i see
1921540;1562213810;mp_en_viaje;she ~still could be~ the smartest / fastest / incoherent-est / whatever person alive.
1921541;1562213846;mp_en_viaje;just because sha256 is theoretically AN INFINITY OF TIMES easier to break than sha512 does not in fact mean you can break either as you stand today.
1921542;1562213921;mp_en_viaje;just because we moved to keccak from sha because ~of concerns~ (which are sound) does not actually mean sha is weak, as far as we know. and so following.
1921543;1562214108;asciilifeform;in re statistical discussion -- historically dekulakizations nail the middle, the fella with (per current day norm) 5-6 u.s.figs of worth, rather than actual rich. and per billymg's description of his case, seems that he falls into the latter, rather than former, weight class
1921544;1562214206;mp_en_viaje;5-6-7, tbf.
1921545;1562214244;billymg;my understanding was that it was more about level of connectedness to the party than simply wealth
1921546;1562214269;billymg;and billymg has ~0 political connections to speak of
1921547;1562214288;mp_en_viaje;well, a large part of the problem then was also that the ~meaning~ of wealth changed. wealth as a concept in the space occupied later by the sovient union had starting to diverge as early as 1600s, with the aparition of the khutor
1921548;1562214366;mp_en_viaje;(a sort of single-family dwelling). the peasants had been slowly capitalizing the space around them for centuries, before that thread got discontinued, and wealth became rather a relational sort (see "note from stalin", or see beria's implementation of my very own "[http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-01#1921269][talk with the one with the tits]".
1921549;1562214366;a111;Logged on 2019-07-01 10:20 mircea_popescu: and the other item in this rapidly depleting bucket of possibly useful ideas : fucking pick. obviously i'll look at a group and go "talk to that one with the tits" or w/e such, my picks are easy peasy. but this doesn't mean yo ucan't pick! look at a group, select the donkey with the more intelligent gaze, talk to that, what's to keep you.
1921550;1562214427;mp_en_viaje;largely the early soviet revolutionary thing was a long chain reorg. a tenuous if long coming interpretation of "wealth" got segwit 'ed out of existence.
1921551;1562214445;mp_en_viaje;"just as it was starting to really take off".
1921552;1562214571;mp_en_viaje;billymg, note the things i said re moving to cr, specifically http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-26#1920248 ; attempting to manalone things is a loser strategy wherever you go.
1921553;1562214571;a111;Logged on 2019-06-26 19:24 mp_en_viaje: get yourself support locally, too. there's a few remnant pantsui torgs that need strangling ; i murdered one there's just a few left. they must be publicly raped, and then get the repubkican style institutions going.
1921554;1562214664;mp_en_viaje;a statement like "0 political connections" ~impugns~ you. this is a flaw of yours ; you're welcome to remedy it whichever way you choose, such as moving to an easier and cheaper map. but if you move not to remedy but to persevere in your error... well pardon me, error is error, such a thing as an alternate world which works in alternate ways and your error is no longer sinful hasn't been found yet.
1921555;1562214907;mp_en_viaje;a rich king with no barons is in just as dubious position as henry the young king, with his hall fulla heroic figures and no two pennies to set a meal before them. you absolutely must have money ~and connections~, there is strictly no doctor's note to get you out of this one, and don't go looking for it either.
1921556;1562215028;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, btw, not forgotten your bitcent, just, atm very fucking inconvenient to do !!pay. will definitely get to it tho.
1921557;1562215198;billymg;mp_en_viaje: this is making a lot of sense, thank you
1921558;1562215211;mp_en_viaje;np
1921559;1562215590;mp_en_viaje;fucking internet. 100% of all occurences of "paranoid delusion" are retconned into "delusional disorder", notwithstanding the term of art has ~century of bibliography behind it and the latter nonsense was invented last decade-ish in one of those inconsequential meetings of the usgistani retards posing as dosctors on no basis.
1921560;1562215860;mp_en_viaje;increasingly the internet becomes a pantsuit translation skin upon the world, giving such a worldview as could be digested by a specific sort of ideologically-hobbled moron and naught else.
1921561;1562215876;mp_en_viaje;from the [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-27#1920506]["OEA"] imaginary association of imaginary representatives of pantsuit-imagined "nations" to [http://trilema.com/2017/fake-news-are-just-one-tail-of-the-failed-female-state/][inexistent restaurants] to everything else, the internet is mostly the pretendosphere of the redditard.
1921562;1562215876;a111;Logged on 2019-06-27 21:39 BingoBoingo: In other local news: https://www.montevideo.com.uy/Noticias/Uruguay-se-retiro-de-la-asamblea-de-la-OEA-y-senalo-vaciamiento-de-la-institucionalidad--uc722587
1921563;1562215924;mp_en_viaje;could have really done quite well without any of all of that.
1921564;1562224231;jurov;!Xbid 1051 370mn
1921565;1562224232;auctionbot;Buy order # 1051: 2835 WFF, Wire Only Heard: 370mn from jurov. Ending: 2019-07-08 13:34:53.247970 UTC (114 hours 15 mins)
1921566;1562224376;jurov;!Xbid 1050 100mn
1921567;1562224377;auctionbot;Buy order # 1050: 500 WFF, WU esta bien Heard: 100mn from jurov. Ending: 2019-07-08 13:34:39.955285 UTC (114 hours 12 mins)
1921568;1562231302;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/the-minsk-report/ << Trilema -- The Minsk Report
1921569;1562254982;BingoBoingo; mp_en_viaje no hurry,
1921570;1562260773;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/07/intel-goes-on-media-push-for-new-interpretations-of-moores-law/ << Qntra -- Intel Goes On Media Push For "New Inte...ons" Of Moore's Law
1921571;1562276299;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile in local meta-news https://archive.is/tplmr
1921572;1562285452;BingoBoingo;http://archive.is/ePSpE >> "Candidatos que tienen estancia, pero que rogaban que los acomodara en la OSE y allí trabajan. Yo no tengo trabajo fijo, son traidores"
1921573;1562285478;BingoBoingo;"El dirigente floridense se mostró muy desmotivado por el resultado electoral. Se quejó de que sus adversarios políticos le bajaban los carteles en la vía pública, entre otros hechos que lo perjudicaron."
1921574;1562297239;asciilifeform;grr, ameristan 4 jul was ripoff this yr. no tanks.
1921575;1562297255;asciilifeform;promised -- tanks. number seen : 0.
1921576;1562297311;asciilifeform;aerial parade however was held, fwiw, and even in rain. coupla tired old jets + the public's favourite golden toilet, the 'stealth bomber'.
1921577;1562297351;asciilifeform;trump was to speak at 1800 hrs, blinked in and out for ~45min, the sound system must've ran on winblows xp, which crashed
1921578;1562297408;asciilifeform;audience -- maybe coupla 100k of fans, some of the fattest folx i've ever seen in person who could still walk on 2 legs
1921579;1562297472;asciilifeform;where promised tank parade -- instead 9000 high school bands. and 'falun gong'.
1921580;1562297496;asciilifeform;wreckers must've wrecked the fireworks, instead of the usual decent ones, mostly puffs of smoke.
1921581;1562309320;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, so, nobody gives a shit about empire ? kinda self-obvious result, neh.
1921582;1562309475;mp_en_viaje;oh btw
1921583;1562309589;mp_en_viaje;hey phf, since i'll be in minsk for a while, how inconvenient is it to hop in a plane, come have a beefsteak or something ?
1921584;1562309602;mp_en_viaje;or are you back on east coast
1921585;1562309860;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, the lulziest part comes at the end.
1921586;1562309862;mp_en_viaje;so : 1. "Juan Sartori, hasta el domingo 30 precandidato por el Partido Nacional y propietario del portal Ecos, decidió que ese medio abandonará el periodismo y pasará a formar parte de su aparato de propaganda, y así se lo comunicó este martes a los periodistas que lo integran."
1921587;1562309910;mp_en_viaje;this 1 meaning, that "the workers", in a very lofty plural, NOT ACTUALLY WORKING for a thing NOT ACTUALLY MAKING ANY MONEY by very far (which'd be the MEASURE of working), found out that yes, the necessary correlate of not working is not being free.
1921588;1562309954;mp_en_viaje;shock and awe, a bunch of idle cuntlets went to new york to "be journalists" aka "do whatever the fuck i please all day as if i were mp" only to discover mp is mp because mp, not because new york, and cowpoke girl from indiana doesn't get away from HAVING TO suck cock just because got away from indiana.
1921589;1562309956;mp_en_viaje;wow and awe.
1921590;1562310031;mp_en_viaje;but moving on : 2 . "El mensaje lo transmitió uno de sus asesores, ; además que los periodistas que no estuvieran de acuerdo, tenían que presentar la renuncia y que no les correspondía el despido"
1921591;1562310143;mp_en_viaje;this even way the fuck loftier 2 meaning, that "the message was transmitted by ~ONE OF THE~ hounds" of this sartori comedian. because he's so lofty and important and practically speaking a nation in himself, he can't even fucking talk, like trump. he has a humongous (you better believe) horde of vechili & other nigger handles at his beck and call. he's just that fuckign cool, what.
1921592;1562310239;mp_en_viaje;and the ~content~ of that grandiosely transmitted message, with such grandeur as we have discussed let it not be forgotten, was that the pretense to independence requires the acts of independence!!! the precious cuntlets can't place the burden of their own independence on others not even when it comes to "who calls who"! THEY have to call, if they want to be "human persons, just like men are".
1921593;1562310415;mp_en_viaje;just as importantly : that "the state" and "[http://trilema.com/2013/regulation-for-our-lord-regulos/][laws and regulations]", ie this complex construction of precious cuntlets supposedly there to guarantee them costless independence, ie that they can go around dressed as if they;re whores (by which "dressed" we mean -- having a cunt between the legs, that's all the dressing required for [http://trilema.com/2010/sa-invatam-limba-rusa-blyad/#selectio
1921594;1562310416;mp_en_viaje;n-73.1-79.1][the natural obligation]) and i'll pay men to guard them lest anyone does the deed, and cashes the check they're writing.
1921595;1562310500;mp_en_viaje;that the femstate, i say, DOES NOT EXIST, and DOES NOT MATTER. hurr. duh. omgwtfbbq, and they thought they were "periodistas", ie, cyclerers. which is somehow different from historical womanhood, they're the special cuntlets of 2019, so, so very unlikely every other generation of "grin and bear it"... empirebuilders, let's say.
1921596;1562310557;mp_en_viaje;as you can see, lofty topics, aerated pretense, serious fucking problems. a clash of civilisation altogether, the hopes and dreams of hu-midity revolting against the hu-manity and its constraints! oh-wee!
1921597;1562310581;mp_en_viaje;except, of course, then we come to the actual punchline. 3 : "El equipo periodístico, integrado por una editora, un subeditor y cuatro periodistas"
1921598;1562310628;mp_en_viaje;a four-nigger farm! the whole fucking discussion is about this married couple and their four niggers! they work together ten acres of shitty land, half corn, half cotton. THESE are the lofty concerns. this is what "the state" is supposed to exist atop and deal with ?
1921599;1562310743;mp_en_viaje;http://trilema.com/2014/consent-is-a-myth-lets-see-how-it-came-to-be/#selection-309.373-309.460 for the fucking win, what can i possibly say.
1921600;1562311435;mp_en_viaje;then these completely inconsequential morons come to the republic and pretend to act as if the roles are completely reversed! as if they're some kinda big deal, as if the republic were anything other than their eternal lord and master.
1921601;1562311436;mp_en_viaje;nuts.
1921602;1562314245;bvt;hello. i have also prepared a work schedule document; however internet at my workplace died this week, will post the plan as soon as the internet goes back up; the plan for next two weeks is to get to ffa14b, update asm code to it; after that, i will have a look at some other work.
1921603;1562314622;mp_en_viaje;internet at workplace died ?! this world!
1921604;1562314904;bvt;well, i still have access to irc/inet at saltmine; and working offline is also possible, so i don't waste time in meantime.
1921605;1562315105;mp_en_viaje;ah, i'm sure you don't. just... i am starting to suspect "internet problems" will become the fish store joke of our generation.
1921606;1562315130;mp_en_viaje;the internet may become more alike a dream than a lived reality.
1921607;1562315530;diana_coman;well, it'll "work" up to local isp that serves the lolcats required and nobody will even notice
1921608;1562315699;mp_en_viaje;god knows nobody notices ~anything even now ; and who the fuck noticed jack shit in 1980 ; or for that matter...
1921609;1562316632;bvt;i see, when the last person who was there when the isp was set up retires... ; the internet situation in germany is outrageous -- dsl everywhere, highest prices for shittiest quality, providers (2 or 3 that are still there) making sure that no fiber gets to the customers, etc (iirc they invested heavily in copper 'cause "isdn is the future!" in 90ties).
1921610;1562317115;mp_en_viaje;sad.
1921611;1562317163;mp_en_viaje;!Qlater tell hanbot "Dr. Nut was a soft drink produced by New Orleans-based World Bottling Company. It was introduced in the 1930s and was produced until the late 1970s."
1921612;1562317163;lobbesbot;mp_en_viaje: The operation succeeded.
1921613;1562317218;mp_en_viaje;bvt, you'll end up moving to romania, where they have fiber to the door (unlike the us, say). but the problem is... IT TAKES THEM THREE WEEKS!!!! to get a new connection in
1921614;1562317254;mp_en_viaje;ie, there's no real solution to the problems of women in the workforce. even antique (ie, very good, leftover) infrastructure is not enough by itself.
1921615;1562319257;mp_en_viaje;in other lulz : fast food across the way adverises this comical mascot, "kroshka kartoshka"
1921616;1562319277;mp_en_viaje;i'm almost considering going, which'd be like the first time mustachioed advertising manages to call to action
1921617;1562321613;mp_en_viaje;meanwhile, back from a modest breakfast built around poached eggs and [http://www.savushkin.by/en/brendy/brest-litovsk/][Брэст-Літоўск] smoked cheese.
1921618;1562321618;mp_en_viaje;take THAT alfie!
1921619;1562325308;mp_en_viaje;speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-14#1918234 : BingoBoingo you must cease this 9 digit invoice thing, it's fucking up my copy/pasting. there can't be sub-satoshi divisions can there ?
1921620;1562325308;a111;Logged on 2019-06-14 19:38 deedbot: Invoiced mircea_popescu 0.469075862 << Annual Colocation for Two S.MG servers through June 2020
1921621;1562327511;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/minigame-smg-statement-on-q2-2019/ << Trilema -- MiniGame (S.MG) Statement on Q2 2019
1921622;1562338738;feedbot;http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/095-cl-who-ii.html << The Tar Pit -- CL-WHO demo: The Coad Pit
1921623;1562340212;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-05#1921606 << strangely enuff, it appears to be the ~only thing that actually worx better in asciilifeform's penal colony than in cr, europistan, etc. currently. ( and prolly tbf must note that this working fiber -- costs what could almost feed small orc family in ro etc )
1921624;1562340212;a111;Logged on 2019-07-05 08:25 mp_en_viaje: the internet may become more alike a dream than a lived reality.
1921625;1562340245;mp_en_viaje;i dunno man, i have fiber cable right here in minsk.
1921626;1562340250;mp_en_viaje;and not THAT expensive, either.
1921627;1562340269;asciilifeform;and doesn't randomly fart ?
1921628;1562340481;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-05#1921613 << over here also 'to the door' BUT if you want it, yer stuck living in vehehehery small % of the ameri-landmass, it is ~unobtainable anywhere outside of major 'nuke target' cities and their suburbs
1921629;1562340481;a111;Logged on 2019-07-05 09:00 mp_en_viaje: bvt, you'll end up moving to romania, where they have fiber to the door (unlike the us, say). but the problem is... IT TAKES THEM THREE WEEKS!!!! to get a new connection in
1921630;1562340502;mp_en_viaje;not so far ; moreover, it's not even the 60mbps thing. it's the 3ms pings.
1921631;1562340521;asciilifeform;notbad, approx same as here. (and presumably 10x cheaper)
1921632;1562340528;mp_en_viaje;bout fiddy bux
1921633;1562340535;asciilifeform;aa so 2x
1921634;1562340539;asciilifeform;does back-connecting work ?
1921635;1562340546;mp_en_viaje;haven't so far tried.
1921636;1562340629;*;asciilifeform found that reasonable trb noad more or less requires adult fiber. set it up one time in a commercial pad where 'commercial cable', would sit for months and not sync
1921637;1562342087;mp_en_viaje;incidentally, does anyone recall the (i suspect antique) trilema piece where various things (such as, insane us medical """costs"'") were explained in terms of "whenever one party pays and another party benefits you get chaos" ?
1921638;1562342106;mp_en_viaje;in what's becoming a god  damned tradition, i can't fucking find it.
1921639;1562343356;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-05#1921619 << Will fix.
1921640;1562343356;a111;Logged on 2019-07-05 11:15 mp_en_viaje: speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-14#1918234 : BingoBoingo you must cease this 9 digit invoice thing, it's fucking up my copy/pasting. there can't be sub-satoshi divisions can there ?
1921641;1562344154;BingoBoingo;This seems to be close, but I suspect not quite on its own what you are seeking: http://trilema.com/2013/compliance/#selection-37.0-77.52
1921642;1562344322;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/how-the-good-folk-at-kj%c3%b8lberggata-29b-0653-oslo-norway-dba-variously-as-central-city-apartments-kampenhotellno-reise-byra-bala-suman-balasundaram-etcetera-attempt-to-scam-me-we/ << Trilema -- How the good folk at Kjlberggata 29B, 0653 Oslo, Norway (dba variously as "Central City Apartments", "kam...no", "REISE BYR BALA SUMAN BALASUNDARAM" etcetera) attempt to scam me went ; what dealing with Oslo police is l
1921643;1562345068;BingoBoingo;Then there's http://trilema.com/2013/obama-getting-crushed-in-the-marketplace/ which hits the US crowning Obama fail
1921644;1562345981;BingoBoingo;Thought you'd enjoy that lul. Huge fuss over six bodies receiving messages from on high by guy who really wanted to be president of a people he can't bring himself to talk to.
1921645;1562346055;mp_en_viaje;ikr.
1921646;1562346056;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: http://trilema.com/2018/the-principal-agent-problem-or-how-america-went-away/#selection-251.0-261.55 i think is it
1921647;1562346098;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, nah, it was detailed, and much earlier. i suspect 2012
1921648;1562346103;asciilifeform;a.
1921649;1562346109;asciilifeform;possibly ro era
1921650;1562346137;mp_en_viaje;sadly. makes any search that more dubious.
1921651;1562346255;mp_en_viaje;whoa that obama piece is strong
1921652;1562346260;mp_en_viaje;now why the fuck are "comments closed" ?!
1921653;1562346331;asciilifeform;1st time i see this on mp_en_viaje's www. (maybe elbowed wrong button?)
1921654;1562346350;mp_en_viaje;me either ?! nfi when or how tho
1921655;1562346507;asciilifeform;and lol! they rented mp_en_viaje a janitor closet, for cost of whole flat?!!
1921656;1562346549;mp_en_viaje;you know ?
1921657;1562346580;asciilifeform;based on phf's reports, even in india this aint a thing in 21st c
1921658;1562346607;mp_en_viaje;anyway, fixed the weirdness re comments
1921659;1562346625;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, nowhere i know of ; not in africa, nowhere. oslo only feature, nordic system.
1921660;1562346654;asciilifeform;do they have equiv. of usa's 'small claims court' in naggumistan ?
1921661;1562346658;BingoBoingo;Nordic system: hardscarbble derps derping along to soften hard environment imagine the tourists want their accomodations to mimic Nordic austerity hell as well
1921662;1562346659;mp_en_viaje;how they live with the shame is anyone's guess ; but the norwegians have plenty to be ashamed for.
1921663;1562346665;asciilifeform;seems like textbook case for smallclaims
1921664;1562346673;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, i dun even want the dough ; i want that thing ended.
1921665;1562346694;BingoBoingo;And small claims rarely kills, except when it does
1921666;1562346697;asciilifeform;i bet losing case over even just the cost of that room would kill it
1921667;1562346736;mp_en_viaje;item belongs as a museum of european stupidity.
1921668;1562346765;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: the police report and all of the claims appear to be in order. Gotta beat the fucks and put fear into the scammers that didn't have the fortune of crossing MP.
1921669;1562346824;BingoBoingo;"Wow this scamming the tourists business got awfully dangerous all of a sudden, lets go back to scamming the downtrodden"
1921670;1562346886;asciilifeform;tourist in any shithole country is 'king and god', i have nfi how their own ministry of tourism avoids nailing this idiot
1921671;1562346908;BingoBoingo;Because Norway isn't a county. It is just a shithole.
1921672;1562346914;asciilifeform;not even speaking of wandering mp filing lawsuit, how the fuk does something like this stay in biz for yrs
1921673;1562346962;mp_en_viaje;in other local flavour : a) never in life seen so many drunks ambling about, not even in ro 90s, not in moscow 90s, never. this place is something else. b) never before seen radical feminist hairdo that works well! they have them here, just complimented girl on her peculiar shaved sides with thick braid on top of head. cute as fuck.
1921674;1562346991;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, possibly by nobody complaining.
1921675;1562347010;BingoBoingo;Well if you get enough puppies, they'll eventualy get tired and cuddle up for protection. This doesn't actually offer any actual protection against "the bad" no one locally wants to be.
1921676;1562347050;BingoBoingo;It just means if no one complains because there are no tourists, no one rocks the boat. Lest they become the sad puppy in Nordic system.
1921677;1562347070;asciilifeform;this is good q -- are there even tourists in naggumistan on typical biz day
1921678;1562347082;mp_en_viaje;c) these people are genuinely fucking nice to a degree not seen since costa rica. they're not usually very efectual, for systematic reasons beyond their control, but holy shit they WANNA help.
1921679;1562347087;asciilifeform;( to see -- what ? naggum's tomb? fjords ? )
1921680;1562347094;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, according to multiple sources, not nearly as used to be.
1921681;1562347102;asciilifeform;not difficult to guess why...
1921682;1562347130;mp_en_viaje;mostly other-nordic kids, who apparently are just as fucked in the head, but stuck with a more functional country against their will.
1921683;1562347150;mp_en_viaje;needless to say the experience cut stockholm off map ; and possibly copenhagen also.
1921684;1562347209;asciilifeform;in asciilifeform's extended meatwot, there was a d00d who moved to norway. declared that it was on acct of some peculiar heathen music he played in a band, that is in fashion there, stayed, he said, for the pliable chix
1921685;1562347359;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: iirc sex per se is moar or less illegal in stockholm.
1921686;1562347422;mp_en_viaje;pliable in what sense ? all i perceived was neurosis.
1921687;1562347423;asciilifeform;( if assange et al is anyffing to go by -- just landing there with an intact cock prolly is worth coupla thou in legal bill )
1921688;1562347443;mp_en_viaje;poland, pliable. minsk so fucking pliable they come talk to you. norway ridoinculous.
1921689;1562347462;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i did not follow him to naggumistan, never found out what he meant. ( and fella wasn't ever heard from since. )
1921690;1562347544;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: in sovok sphere, they in fact ~will~ talk to you. (even when abroad, in deepest swamp of washingtonistan, ru chix in crowd watching some 'occupy!11' nonsense, found somehow asciilifeform in the crowd and spoke !) they do this, the generally accepted theory is, on acct of plain demographic catastrophe .
1921691;1562347572;asciilifeform;in sovok world, detectable shortage of males as such.
1921692;1562347607;asciilifeform;and i'm speaking of generic people, even; i imagine mp_en_viaje had to beat'em away with sticks.
1921693;1562347621;mp_en_viaje;in other sads, went through all ro articles searching for reasonable terms, could not find item. im pretty sure it was english, early english. oy vey.
1921694;1562347641;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, my theory is, tbh, mental heath.
1921695;1562347657;asciilifeform;of whom ?
1921696;1562347673;mp_en_viaje;girl aged <30 that manages to go through entire week without approaching ~at least~ few males and then does not leave the fucking place, is on that basis alone broken in the head to clinically relevant levesl.
1921697;1562347699;mp_en_viaje;very much like a pizarro that manages to go through week without approaching any customers.
1921698;1562347707;mp_en_viaje;it's not like that cunt's gonna fill itself.
1921699;1562347743;mp_en_viaje;nor is this peculiar burden on girl. i don't stick around in idiotlands either, once it's discovered it's also abandoned.
1921700;1562347756;mp_en_viaje;if she genuinely sees NO ONE to talk to, what the fuck is she thinking being there.
1921701;1562347843;mp_en_viaje;after 30, w/e, "gotta take care of dependents" what have you. but a young woman with wallflower syndrome's not healthy.
1921702;1562347905;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: speaking of the (entirely fair) 'customers, motherfuckers' prod from mp_en_viaje : i'ma take the smg broadcast as official marching order re the machine delivery, and make the purchases, so we've what to sell . ( and on that front, the mips item is ready for war. i'ma also need to cuntoo . )
1921703;1562347932;mp_en_viaje;anyway, re sticks : no sticks necessary, even vaguely. sane people do the look and nod thing, like argentine tango used to work (century ago, when they still had it).
1921704;1562347959;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, yes, iirc i was held to pay for a piece of hardware to replace extant ? or was it two ?
1921705;1562347966;asciilifeform;2.
1921706;1562347973;mp_en_viaje;aite, plox to bill at convenience.
1921707;1562348027;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: will. and BingoBoingo as i understand piz is paying for transport ? ( rather , asciilifeform pays, asciilifeform owes piz, plox to credit it , when billed , against his tab )
1921708;1562348060;BingoBoingo;re: tango - Replaced over here among the young by Cumbia provided the old women don't kill what's left of nightlife on their way out http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-03#1921480
1921709;1562348060;a111;Logged on 2019-07-03 19:29 BingoBoingo: Also in local news, "What is nightlife and why should anything happen after midnight?" https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/ley-que-regula-consumo-y-venta-de-alcohol-lo-que-se-puede-y-lo-que-no--201973151312
1921710;1562348064;*;mp_en_viaje surveys his (no doubt painstakingly reconstructed) "southern homes and gardens 1980 edition" interior, chuckles at himself.
1921711;1562348071;asciilifeform;'партия сказала: надо! комсомол ответил : есть!'(tm)(r)
1921712;1562348075;mp_en_viaje;belarus has such a vhs america hardon like YOU COULD NOT BELIEVE
1921713;1562348077;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Works
1921714;1562348094;mp_en_viaje;i expect you could get yourself free drinks for rest of life in any bar of your choice here, on the strength of "i used to live in wash dc" stories.
1921715;1562348172;asciilifeform;as mp_en_viaje prolly already knew decades ago, 'vhs amer' is ~religion for sovok orcs.
1921716;1562348186;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform absolutely gotta try minsk asap. evne their industrial foodstuffs are not that bad, they somehow manage to buy the machines without the evil pastes, put genuine ingredients in.
1921717;1562348203;asciilifeform;they take in 1980s rubbish, [http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-24#1703064]['diehard' etc], with mother's milk
1921718;1562348203;a111;Logged on 2017-08-24 17:24 asciilifeform: e.g. film 'diehard' ended up translated by one 'genius' to title 'умри тяжело'
1921719;1562348233;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i picture food situation much like in ro, aha. minus the rubbish trucked in from germany.
1921720;1562348243;mp_en_viaje;honestly it's perhaps better.
1921721;1562348252;asciilifeform;( interestingly, in proper ru, i am told, not so great, 'americanization' is making inroads there )
1921722;1562348268;mp_en_viaje;i guess increasing salaries worst thing for the people.
1921723;1562348275;asciilifeform;absolutely deadly
1921724;1562348285;mp_en_viaje;they still make the god's given 3-400/month here, place is beautiful.
1921725;1562348289;mp_en_viaje;ru more like 1k right ?
1921726;1562348312;asciilifeform;i was told 200-300 was typical in timis.
1921727;1562348326;mp_en_viaje;somethinglikethat, anyway.
1921728;1562348331;asciilifeform;nfi how solid this figure.
1921729;1562348395;mp_en_viaje;lol, watching girlparty returning ladden in groceries tryina open the door on teh security webcam thingee. will amusements never cease!
1921730;1562348404;asciilifeform;there's also moving parts , orcologically speaking, that asciilifeform doesn't at all understand. e.g. how , in fucktarded argentinistan, typical orc 'can't buy empanada except on layaway' but somehow flat still costs 300k(us)
1921731;1562348497;mp_en_viaje;cuz everyone's a lawyer and lotta printolade.
1921732;1562348504;mp_en_viaje;i understand it fine.
1921733;1562348515;asciilifeform;bbut somehow still 'empanada on layaway' ?
1921734;1562348532;asciilifeform;i.e. can't buy it with the printolade or pyramid would topple ?
1921735;1562348628;asciilifeform;i recall a mp_en_viaje article where there was detailed portrait of argentine 'academic', with bow tie etc, demanding shop credit line to buy a pair of boots or what was it
1921736;1562348691;mp_en_viaje;socks.
1921737;1562348698;asciilifeform;dafuq.
1921738;1562348745;mp_en_viaje;very much a turkey dollar problem. everyone's rich in jam tomorrow, jam today on ration card.
1921739;1562348805;*;asciilifeform saw an almost 'argentine'-grade scene at trump fest. wanted to buy bottle of ice water. went into queue, of six people or so. then noticed that queue dun move ~at all. assumed, like idiot, 'hm must be out of water? waiting for truck with moar?' -- then got to end of queue, and jaw dropped. vendor chix was counting change ~on calculator~. bbut! calculator ~on ipnoje~, so therefore also attending, must have, to arsebook etc. ping
1921740;1562348832;asciilifeform;maybe 10 whole min. per bottle.
1921741;1562348902;asciilifeform;for that matter, where was the 'genius' who even thought to price bottle '2.73' or what it was.
1921742;1562348939;mp_en_viaje;what's wrong with just giving her three bucks ?
1921743;1562348944;mp_en_viaje;o wait... NOBODY HAS THREE DOLLARS.
1921744;1562348946;asciilifeform;did!
1921745;1562348948;asciilifeform;and ran!
1921746;1562348991;asciilifeform;there was even an indian d00d who offered her a 20 and 'stop counting the change for next n people omfg and move the fucking line'
1921747;1562349011;BingoBoingo;lol, dafuq
1921748;1562349024;asciilifeform;this was 1st such scene that i've personally witnessed
1921749;1562349064;asciilifeform;i can only guess that nowadays if, in this here colony, you can 'do floating point' you will work somewhere other than the scorching swamp heat selling bottles..
1921750;1562349091;asciilifeform;chix, evidently, came from factory without fpu installed.
1921751;1562349230;BingoBoingo;The biggest danger here with lines is when the tills run out of change. The very sad mass people movers will even have signs begging folks to buy their tickets with the 2 peso coin
1921752;1562349282;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: for all i know, this kinda thing has been 'normal' here for yrs. asciilifeform simply stays out, usually, from mass panem et circenses scenes, simply not seen
1921753;1562349367;asciilifeform;fwiw it was such a sad chunk of sadness that i regret what spent on the train ticket, not even speaking of time.
1921754;1562349370;BingoBoingo;Back in old country at such events there was always a certain caste of old women attending to or supervising such concessions for their ability to make change or round the damn prices.
1921755;1562349414;asciilifeform;i did learn that ccd in camera can overheat, had nfi this was possible.
1921756;1562349505;BingoBoingo;With that 2017 eclipse, I though a lot of people learned ccd's can overheat
1921757;1562349519;asciilifeform;yea but this one wasn't pointed at solar corona or anyffin of the kind
1921758;1562349539;asciilifeform;simply had the misfortune to be out of the shade, in godforsaken swampistan
1921759;1562349592;asciilifeform;was filming, like idiot, 'cuz any minute nao, TANKS!1111', in 60fps '4k'
1921760;1562349845;*;asciilifeform went like clockwork to 4 jul fireworx fest for 15 yrs nao, but this might be last one
1921761;1562349989;mp_en_viaje;finally getting off your own vhs america hardon ?
1921762;1562350007;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: lol 'off' circa 1995 or so
1921763;1562350028;mp_en_viaje;!!key Gorwrath
1921764;1562350029;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/DA86244E41753C4748CA5753FD07EDBB2DEA9D91.asc
1921765;1562350148;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: found, by way of the misfortunate outing , that oddball chinese 'falung gong' cult in washingtonistan has ~300 people ~in orchestra~ alone. holyfuq.
1921766;1562350153;asciilifeform;whole thing must've moved here.
1921767;1562350180;mp_en_viaje;prolly being financed by usg.blue as "useful subversives".
1921768;1562350186;asciilifeform;since day1 afaik
1921769;1562350189;mp_en_viaje;lotta ro "academics" in same zoo.
1921770;1562350225;BingoBoingo;Getting closer http://trilema.com/2012/bribes-in-bitcoins/#selection-25.0-29.23
1921771;1562350236;mp_en_viaje;spyked, http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/095-cl-who-ii.html#selection-207.23-207.57 << is this even a good idea ? why would you want to interleave lisp and html ? how the fuck is anyone gonna debug the salad ?
1921772;1562350275;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, not it sadly.
1921773;1562350361;asciilifeform;( for the innocent: at no public function in washingtonistan is 'falung gong' ever absent, and the presence is always in the form of 2-3 platoons of chix holding up posters of where supposedly 'they take us apart alive for organs' )
1921774;1562350486;mp_en_viaje;pretty lulzy alt-world menagerie the usg is building for itself.
1921775;1562350532;asciilifeform;large zoo. e.g. 1 time i saw coupla 100 persia-flavoured 'activists' with pickets in front of wh, 'we demand bombing of teheran nao' etc
1921776;1562350636;mp_en_viaje;logic.
1921777;1562350656;mp_en_viaje;whatever, if all the morons that actually want to live in the us gather in washington to populate usg zoos, the world will be better,
1921778;1562350661;mp_en_viaje;and we can just glass washington.
1921779;1562350673;asciilifeform;iirc they started with the cubans
1921780;1562350717;asciilifeform;they filled an entire miami with'em
1921781;1562350780;mp_en_viaje;and look how well that worked, too!
1921782;1562350833;asciilifeform;i have nfi how to even calculate 'worked'. at 1 time, during reign of kennedy, plan was to draft'em into an invasion army. this was done, it was turned into mincemeat, and afaik there was never any 'plan' since
1921783;1562350908;asciilifeform;even when sovok croaked, i dun recall any 'emigre dissidents' being sent back into the crater to help usgificate, rather was done by entirely other folx + locally grown axe handles
1921784;1562355008;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/07/british-navy-returns-to-piracy-with-seizure-of-iranian-oil-tanker-iran-points-out-their-obligation-to-retaliate-in-kind/ << Qntra -- British Navy Returns To Piracy With Seizure Of Iranian Oil Tanker, Iran Points Out Their Obligation To Retaliate In Kind
1921785;1562363083;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, as near as i can tell plan was never to "use" in any meaningful sense, certainly not anything beyond "these are '''winners'''' of [http://trilema.com/2014/old-texts-on-traditional-marriage-vampirism-and-gayety/#footnote_5_57396][tournament market], aspire, aspire, aspire!"
1921786;1562363280;asciilifeform;aaa so like the hollywood chix.
1921787;1562363313;asciilifeform;or the e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920707 derps
1921788;1562363313;a111;Logged on 2019-06-30 05:26 asciilifeform: recall belenko, stole last model mig for.. not even '30 silvers', or esr's 'millions', but for life diet of canned cat food
1921789;1562363349;mp_en_viaje;that's the best theory i got.
1921790;1562363353;asciilifeform;^ d00d was famous for, among other things, having admitted that he ate for some length of time the cat food, and had nfi what it was, aside from 'it's delish'
1921791;1562363450;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: imho a++ theory. and ties in with the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-08#1667175 item also.
1921792;1562363450;a111;Logged on 2017-06-08 15:10 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can't comment on ro emigres, but with su world there was a lulzy twist : 1st wave (1970s -- largely j000z!11) wrote home, 'i'ma full professor and it rocks, come on over', 2nd wave went, to discover that market -- glut, and hello cab
1921793;1562363523;asciilifeform;i.e. cultivation of 'axe handles' in orclands using miami inhabitants as 'live bait'.
1921794;1562363599;asciilifeform;will admit, even as a boy was thoroughly puzzled, 'for what do they need us in usa, why invited?'
1921795;1562363609;mp_en_viaje;in other news, i spent the weirdest friday night out in memory
1921796;1562363689;*;asciilifeform nearly forgot, lol, it's, what, 0300 hrs in mp_en_viaje's porta-castle
1921797;1562363690;mp_en_viaje;ate (very nice food, "friendship" pectopan in friendship park, a++ beerhouse, great soup great snitzel etc) ; then went for the "moulin rouge", top best cathouse-cunnyshack. driver takes us to a... well... i dunno, construction yard ? narrow dark alley betwen a concrete wall and some metal panes delimiting an earthy ditch.
1921798;1562363708;mp_en_viaje;so we opt out, go for 2nd best. it is a... well i dunno, basically looked like a bus stop in the distance.
1921799;1562363739;mp_en_viaje;the casinos, those are monumental and marquee up in lights the side of the building. but apparently whorehouses occur in someone's garage.
1921800;1562363803;asciilifeform;why invest in 40 metre neons and megalith if mp_en_viaje will just as happily come to properly equipped garage, maybe is the logic
1921801;1562363835;mp_en_viaje;by their websites you'd think they rebuilt glory days las vegas ; but when you get there it looks more like some over-excited 11th graders got a hold of a dad's computer.
1921802;1562363855;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, except mp_en_viaje came by car, left by car the next minute. gotta make mp get out of car yes ?
1921803;1562363859;*;asciilifeform finds that 'flashy' is ~inversely~ proportional to functionality in erry industry he personally touched. why ought whoring to be exception ?
1921804;1562363868;mp_en_viaje;unless they make their dough at the gas station, i guess.
1921805;1562363889;asciilifeform;hm. but presumably mp_en_viaje left not 'because garage' but because was empty or fulla sad people ?
1921806;1562363899;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, because whoring is not an industry ? the girls don't make axles in there, you realise, it's not cnc milling
1921807;1562363900;asciilifeform;( or would've stayed if saw neons ?? )
1921808;1562363922;asciilifeform;i admittedly have possibly simplistic picture, where it's quite same as miller
1921809;1562363923;mp_en_viaje;would have ~gone in~ if saw gate worth going through. stayed, not necessarily.
1921810;1562363929;mp_en_viaje;but to stay at all one must first go in.
1921811;1562363950;asciilifeform;only mp_en_viaje can say why did not go in. i cannot.
1921812;1562363970;mp_en_viaje;i would not ditch a, say, electronic parts dealer because his office is in abandoned mall by decrepit diner 20 miles off highway.
1921813;1562363984;mp_en_viaje;i WILL however ditch "luxury boutique hotel" across the way from construction yard.
1921814;1562364002;asciilifeform;is logic here that if it were a quality bordello, neon would be rounding error in operating cost ? and therefore 'wrong gate'
1921815;1562364002;mp_en_viaje;some things sell the steak, some things sell the sizzle. hotels, bars, whorehouses, etc -- these sell the sizzle, there's no steak there.
1921816;1562364008;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, yes.
1921817;1562364020;asciilifeform;a++ heuristic then, makes sense
1921818;1562364020;mp_en_viaje;as someone having run such, i know what to look for.
1921819;1562364235;asciilifeform;iirc mp_en_viaje did one time write a portrait of a sad bordello he went into, (in cr?), where chix on flea mattresses behind curtains. but presumably this -- was for sport
1921820;1562364295;mp_en_viaje;not even sport, not like i fucked anyone. was for blogging, you know, to draw a map gotta draw the limits. just like math analysis, go for the remarkable points of inflection etc.
1921821;1562364327;asciilifeform;this is prolly where asciilifeform ought to honestly admit, that he dun even have the equiv. of 'three grades of church school education' in this subj : in fact had never been to a bordello at all. so the last thing alive vs subj expert.
1921822;1562364332;mp_en_viaje;did not particularly feel like slumming it tonite.
1921823;1562364579;asciilifeform;re 'bottom inflection points' -- iirc mp_en_viaje also described existence of whores in south amer who 'make house call' but haven't own transport
1921824;1562364592;asciilifeform;which was memorably odd and howthefuckdoesitwork
1921825;1562364639;asciilifeform;cannot nao find in O(1) this piece, but iirc had 'picture if you called undertaker, and he replied that he's waiting for a tram with enuff room to bring the coffin'
1921826;1562364680;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/#selection-431.0-431.311
1921827;1562364696;asciilifeform;aa!!
1921828;1562364698;asciilifeform;it.
1921829;1562364749;mp_en_viaje;amusing rotard hanger-on was just complaining about it, as it happens, "because he has detected my hypocrisy", or however it works in their brains
1921830;1562364796;asciilifeform;i'ma guess that these come from same fountain of liquishit as the 'hotel' in oslo -- i.e. clients unequipped to distinguish the sham from real deal
1921831;1562364827;mp_en_viaje;(there's different place where i explain that romanian "business owner" ie rotto in culo making 5k/year hussing the street has no business owning car. THEREFORE I CONTRADICT SELF!!!
1921832;1562364868;mp_en_viaje;cuz yeah, totally, yurp and america, similar road / mass transit networks.
1921833;1562364913;asciilifeform;pretty common cockroach in head of 'vhs' orcs incidentally -- 'in usa errybody's rich, see, even elderly widows own trucks'
1921834;1562364949;mp_en_viaje;in other lulz : most slavorc towns have metro systems consisting of a big X on the map
1921835;1562364960;mp_en_viaje;two lines, right angle.
1921836;1562364965;asciilifeform;( they in fact do. but not 'because rich', but rather because will sooner forgo food than to forgo to 'feed' truck, without it is as without legs )
1921837;1562365020;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: copy of moscow
1921838;1562365038;asciilifeform;( not only slavic, also, even pyongyang has 1 )
1921839;1562365040;mp_en_viaje;i'm not even persuaded it's a bad idea. if you only have dough for that track length, making a cross possibly optimal load. and if not constrained by historical idiocy, like budapest with its 1898 lines look like they were dug by moles, might as well just make a proper grid, #
1921840;1562365056;asciilifeform;aha, worx by 'let'em move to where the station is'
1921841;1562365108;asciilifeform;where richer orcistan : cross + ring
1921842;1562365116;asciilifeform;( notably : in washingtonistan : no ring ! )
1921843;1562365128;mp_en_viaje;i'd just make a grid, every mile a line each way.
1921844;1562365140;asciilifeform;dunno if even in tokyo -- grid
1921845;1562365151;mp_en_viaje;poorfags.
1921846;1562365165;asciilifeform;possibly not even, but that crossings are a failure point
1921847;1562365166;mp_en_viaje;china builds. THREE GRIDS.
1921848;1562365176;asciilifeform;it's where the sad amerimetro always breaks down -- in the switches
1921849;1562365182;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, obviously lines on diff levels, duh!
1921850;1562365207;asciilifeform;3d metro ?
1921851;1562365230;mp_en_viaje;nowere do the lines ACTUALLY cross. warsaw blue line is under red line. minsk red under blue. etc. you wanna interconnect, get off use escalator.
1921852;1562365298;asciilifeform;they do not of course physically cross even here. but the trains do have to switch sides, i dun know of any subway anywhere where ~all~ stations have bidirectional platform
1921853;1562365308;asciilifeform;( in chicago, many do, but still iirc not all )
1921854;1562365329;mp_en_viaje;i dunno i ever noticed line switching. that's... kinda dumb neh ?
1921855;1562365359;asciilifeform;i cannot say why they did not build the (youngest, i think, in world) wash. metro -- 1972 iirc -- with 100% bidir. platforms
1921856;1562365371;asciilifeform;would've thought -- 'no brainer'
1921857;1562365391;asciilifeform;but no, they switch and switch sides, all day, and is where train usually gets stuck when gets stuck
1921858;1562365392;mp_en_viaje;but i mean they just loop, neh ? doesn't actually switch at end of line, just loops around
1921859;1562365410;asciilifeform;here they have a depot on ea. end of ea. line.
1921860;1562365427;mp_en_viaje;and it's a straight line with switchings ? like in 1850 ?
1921861;1562365434;asciilifeform;straight, dual track.
1921862;1562365446;mp_en_viaje;i thought that;'s so fucking nutty, i even photographed it in budapest
1921863;1562365457;mp_en_viaje;i thought "holy shit, this is the most antique insane thing leftover"
1921864;1562365467;mp_en_viaje;apparently best practice ?
1921865;1562365472;asciilifeform;afaik.
1921866;1562365489;asciilifeform;i was only in budapest subway for an hour or so, dun recall how it was arrayed
1921867;1562365494;asciilifeform;resembled, i think, chicago
1921868;1562365497;asciilifeform;err
1921869;1562365499;asciilifeform;not buda
1921870;1562365501;asciilifeform;bucharest
1921871;1562365517;asciilifeform;grr gotta go an' see sunlight soon, will go mad at terminal
1921872;1562365534;*;asciilifeform never been to buda-
1921873;1562365590;mp_en_viaje;http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/somethingnew20-560x840.jpg << item
1921874;1562365633;asciilifeform;hmm, dun display, trips the mpwp spamload killer
1921875;1562365658;mp_en_viaje;http://trilema.com/2019/i-give-you-something-new/#selection-179.0-179.58 etc
1921876;1562365665;asciilifeform;danke
1921877;1562365679;asciilifeform;and yea that's exactly how dc metro is
1921878;1562365695;asciilifeform;that same type of switch, at ~2~ ends , in each stop
1921879;1562365716;asciilifeform;complete with semaphore (when used ? nfi, since time immemorial was automatic)
1921880;1562365738;asciilifeform;nyc same also
1921881;1562365745;mp_en_viaje;hm
1921882;1562365773;asciilifeform;iirc mp_en_viaje saw the nyc sub with own eyes
1921883;1562365798;mp_en_viaje;yes but years ago
1921884;1562365809;mp_en_viaje;i dunno tbh how i got this idea in my head.
1921885;1562365827;asciilifeform;i suspect from ~tram~
1921886;1562365828;mp_en_viaje;possibly by looking at chinese plans for future development too much
1921887;1562365833;asciilifeform;tram, typically, goes in loop at depot
1921888;1562365864;*;asciilifeform went into the tram yard in timis, they left it open..
1921889;1562365908;asciilifeform;re chinese, i've not had the pleasure to ride their trains or even see up close, so cannot add.
1921890;1562365993;*;asciilifeform will bbl
1921891;1562392615;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-05#1921843 -> in my experience Paris was closest to this i.e. wherever one was, walking < 5 minutes gets one to a tube station
1921892;1562392615;a111;Logged on 2019-07-05 22:18 mp_en_viaje: i'd just make a grid, every mile a line each way.
1921893;1562392708;diana_coman;I think it was one X with some concentric circles + north-south and east-west lines but I never really studies the map in a lot of detail
1921894;1562392872;diana_coman;the striking difference re bucharest esp was simply that tube in Bucharest is /was clearly made for medium-long distance, a "cross the gridlocked centre" sort of thing while the one in Paris was to a large extent for short distance (or at least most lines i.e. there are some, fewer "express" lines)
1921895;1562393059;diana_coman;the one in Minsk (as in St Petersburg so I put it on -> Russian) was a. deeper (doubling as nuclear shelter?) b. accelerating for all it was worth (so more likely long-distance idea)
1921896;1562396221;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-05#1921771 <-- it's how html templating/pre-processing usually works, you embed one language into the other. php is perl (or whatever) interleaved with html; cl-who is very similar, only without the leaky abstractions, i.e. html trees are represented as s-exprs and can be correctly manipulated as such
1921897;1562396221;a111;Logged on 2019-07-05 18:10 mp_en_viaje: spyked, http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/095-cl-who-ii.html#selection-207.23-207.57 << is this even a good idea ? why would you want to interleave lisp and html ? how the fuck is anyone gonna debug the salad ?
1921898;1562396399;mp_en_viaje;spyked, i don' t think i've ever seen php that generates html that is interpreted as php that spits out html.
1921899;1562396490;mp_en_viaje;maybe i misunderstand what you're saying ; but imo php and perl have little functionally to do with each other, people identify them through their disdain, and by "people" i mean people whose locus is bash. the people whose locus is excel/virtual basic or w/e don't.
1921900;1562396508;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, yeah, paris metro is pretty cool. sadly the city around it fell apart, but what can you do.
1921901;1562396556;mp_en_viaje;anyway, re deep you should see the latest lines in budapest. the escalators give out dizzyspells.
1921902;1562396674;spyked;mp_en_viaje, the lisp-in-html-in-lisp... occurs at macroexpansion time. the result is Lisp code that takes input and outputs html. human operator's main job is to distinguish which part of the template is html, and which does mechanical work (e.g. taking rows from a db and putting them into page)
1921903;1562396721;mp_en_viaje;i think the problem here is mostly that i have nfi what i'm talking about.
1921904;1562396766;mp_en_viaje;carry on unconcernedly ; i shall bumble in your general direction later about it.
1921905;1562396904;mp_en_viaje;!!up itsiku
1921906;1562396905;deedbot;itsiku voiced for 30 minutes.
1921907;1562396908;mp_en_viaje;and who might you be ?
1921908;1562396963;mp_en_viaje;meanwhile in 2013 lulz, http://trilema.com/2013/ycombinator-continues-to-suck-jointly-and-severally/
1921909;1562397015;mp_en_viaje;did that kiss of death of a pompous piece of shit ever come up with something ? forget about "coinlab not launching any product". has graham's derpy scam launched anything in the 5 or so years since anyone even looked to laugh at them ?
1921910;1562397119;spyked;mp_en_viaje, I'm confusing some things in my explanation, namely html (as outputted by that coad) and the S-expr-html representation in cl-who. the two are separate, and this meta-embedded is done with the latter and is used to separate code macro-processed by cl-who from code that executes when the page is generated.
1921911;1562397145;spyked;*meta-embedding
1921912;1562397199;mp_en_viaje;so basically you split the www server processing into two phases, pre-processing and post-processing (time0 being the client call)
1921913;1562397453;spyked;i think it's safer to say that cl-who is a compiler from a particular set of s-expr into html. and looking at my (yet-again convoluted!) explanation, I can now distinctly remember that most debugging issues I've had were caused by not understanding the language.
1921914;1562397901;spyked;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/goXZ4/?raw=true <-- macroexpanded "hello world" example of cl-who. the second coad is what's executed when generating page; the first is what I have to write. the second indeed looks like salad to untrained eye, but otherwise maps 100% to cl-who constructs
1921915;1562397918;mp_en_viaje;anyway, the obvious question (from the php-mind) re the split would be "why", buttressed  by the observation that "if you're gonna do any page processing at all, you wanna start after all the symbols you can possibly want to use have resolved.  this is why php ~starts~ work on a pile of code AFTER things such as "calling user ip" is a known quantity : so you don't end up with two phases, one of which being stuck with undefined symbols the 2nd will
1921916;1562397918;mp_en_viaje; have defined.
1921917;1562397958;mp_en_viaje;and the obvious answer is "because they are SO FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT, it's worth one's time". which is obvious to the familiar mind, but probably a significant bar towards getting a php-er to think lisp may be interesting.
1921918;1562397988;mp_en_viaje;rather than "just some dumb shit oversmart grad students use to fuck themselves with".
1921919;1562398088;mp_en_viaje;meanwhile, in rotaku interest items from the glorious days of 2012, http://trilema.com/2012/socialistii-cei-tristi/
1921920;1562398141;spyked;mp_en_viaje, agreed re. server pre/post-processing split. prolly can be done in php too, but manually, or otherwise with significant work from author
1921921;1562398186;mp_en_viaje;hence my comment, "never seen this done" etc.
1921922;1562398234;mp_en_viaje;in a sense, this is the marketable strength of the whole approach, "you know what the difference is between your rural summer kitchen and my clean room operation ? this latter thing cleans itself kekekekex!!!"
1921923;1562398309;mp_en_viaje;(clean rooms "clean themselves" because air is maintained at positive pressure inside, so whatever particles aren't sucked into the filters get spilled out the doors etc. the whole trick is to not get them TOO dirty in the first place, which "too" starts at ppb [parts-per-billion] in some cases, hence all the funny shoe covers etc)
1921924;1562398611;mp_en_viaje;oh! and besides that time when "[http://trilema.com/2012/cum-sa-fii-dobitoc-online-astazi-mihai-mateas/][journalists translate spanish]",  [http://trilema.com/2012/pseudo-expertii-online-loveste-din-nou/][that lulzy time] (also in 2012) when "smart kids" did the boo boo on windows only, cuz "how will mp ever notice". lawd this was a fun spelunking session.
1921925;1562398672;mp_en_viaje;i had almost forgotten how spitefully retarded the romanian aspirational class actually is. i hope the usg zoo gets them all, i know of no worse set of shitheads on planet 3.
1921926;1562402093;BingoBoingo;<mp_en_viaje> did that kiss of death of a pompous piece of shit ever come up with something ? forget about "coinlab not launching any product". has graham's derpy scam launched anything in the 5 or so years since anyone even looked to laugh at them ? << As far as I can tell they keep whipping the same cows. Dropbox, less frequently and AirBnB all the time.
1921927;1562402134;mp_en_viaje;getting ready for a slashdot sale, i take it.
1921928;1562402163;BingoBoingo;Hard to say. Fuckers could be bottling unicorn farts.
1921929;1562402225;BingoBoingo;Election overview is baking, should come within the next 18 hours. Got stuck in a local rabbit hole. Pizarro statement to follow by end of the day Sunday.
1921930;1562402532;BingoBoingo;The particular election rabbit hole I've just about completely explored is how "book club" party with an uncontested internal managed ~50 kilovotes for recently fired former commander in chief Guido Manini Ríos Stratta whose only firm platform position seems to be no "reform" of the military retirement system and softer position declaring "Army on streets is good"
1921931;1562402657;BingoBoingo;The dig turns out otherwise empty Cabildo Abierto having been a shell started by pro-dictatorship faction of the old Colorado party trying to fork off the local reddit derps exemplified by identifies as NY trained economist guy.
1921932;1562402918;BingoBoingo;Which, fuck it. The Colorado Party brand in Uruguay is absolutely toxic in Uruguay as the Chile (Peppers or Pinochet) brand except among the 15% of the population that is ride or die Colorado because these fucks will track their resentments happily over 7+ generations
1921933;1562403092;BingoBoingo;So now there's a Talvi write notes for Uruguay's retirement plans to trade on wall street (as if) Colorado Party and Guido's "Guns look best with Chrome" Colorado Parties now sharing a 9/6% or 8/7% split of the vote in october.
1921934;1562403239;BingoBoingo;At the same time the local derps wonder why AP characterizes the Blanco Partido Nacional as merely center-right while their derpity-rose Colorados get classed as far right by the AP's English as third language speakers
1921935;1562403547;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-06#1921918 << This seems to be the problem of Uruguay and the rest of the aspiring to develop world.The dominant sector in the FA which will likely force a split are the Social Democrats/Democratic Socialists that have been to Miami and Spain yet aspire to emulate the Oslo they have never seen with their own eyes.
1921936;1562403547;a111;Logged on 2019-07-06 07:26 mp_en_viaje: rather than "just some dumb shit oversmart grad students use to fuck themselves with".
1921937;1562403736;mp_en_viaje;i confess i have nfi what youre saying.
1921938;1562403891;BingoBoingo;It's a notes dump that'll get clarified in a Uruguay dispatch. Inside baseball and all that stuff that would not matter to the world if we didn't have a rack parked here.
1921939;1562403912;mp_en_viaje;a ok
1921940;1562404090;BingoBoingo;Anyways, before the Fat Forehead UniLeft coalition came to Power, Uruguay had two parties that mattered. The rural, nationalist blancos and the Urban, faggy, militant Colorados. I'd been following what happens with the Blancos because what they do is live. I'm catching up on the Colorado drama, because the only reason to take the speculum to old women is an earnest interest in being thorough.
1921941;1562404334;BingoBoingo;If they Navy and all four of their boats and Army with too many generals for half a division decide to do the coup thing... as fun as that might be, gotta lay out the facts of who would be laying out
1921942;1562404387;BingoBoingo;Anyways, to be released: Blonde white women drama
1921943;1562404620;BingoBoingo;And dude talking from on high to ambiguously fire or not 4 folks and a couple is only the beginning of the local lulz here lit this week
1921944;1562406158;mp_en_viaje;nobody's gonna coup in uruguay, wth.
1921945;1562406835;BingoBoingo;Coup no, impotently take trash out of the dumpsters and place it in the street, yes.
1921946;1562407165;spyked;http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/095-cl-who-ii.html#fn4 <-- updated cl-who demo with mega-likbez on html generation mechanism using macros.
1921947;1562408031;mp_en_viaje;that, i can see.
1921948;1562408245;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/lets-continue-with-minsk/ << Trilema -- Let's continue with Minsk!
1921949;1562408699;mp_en_viaje;meanwhile continuing with the forgotten rolulz, the [http://trilema.com/2011/insiruire-de-intimplari-disparate/#selection-67.0-83.202][enobling detergent]!
1921950;1562416583;mp_en_viaje;in other news, the locally sourced икра осетровая / альгиновая fucking delish. i love this country.
1921951;1562420109;phf;mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/bTqFh/?raw=true
1921952;1562427095;mp_en_viaje;phf, plox use this key tho
1921953;1562429194;feedbot;http://bvt-trace.net/2019/07/todo-items-and-work-plan-jul2019/ << bvt's backtrace -- TODO Items and Work Plan (02.07.2019)
1921954;1562430590;mp_en_viaje;http://bvt-trace.net/2019/07/todo-items-and-work-plan-jul2019/comment-page-1/#comment-21 << 29 minutes.
1921955;1562430594;mp_en_viaje;agile eat your heart out.
1921956;1562432911;bvt;mp_en_viaje: ty for the comment; i have to go afk now, so most likely vdiff fix will be out tomorrow 2nd half of the day. right now it is at http://bvt-trace.net/vpatches/vdiff_blockwise_read.vpatch (add .bvt.sig for the seal)
1921957;1562432936;mp_en_viaje;np
1921958;1562434156;phf;!!key mp_en_viaje
1921959;1562434157;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/208FE107E970F53262C4951232992F13CFA6CD06.asc
1921960;1562434269;phf;mp_en_viaje: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/7k9cJ/?raw=true
1921961;1562434293;phf;i thought i saw some discussion of using different key, but couldn't find it in the logs
1921962;1562435000;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-06#1921956 << you should replace the declare .. begin inside the inner loop with char_ptrs.increment
1921963;1562435000;a111;Logged on 2019-07-06 17:08 bvt: mp_en_viaje: ty for the comment; i have to go afk now, so most likely vdiff fix will be out tomorrow 2nd half of the day. right now it is at http://bvt-trace.net/vpatches/vdiff_blockwise_read.vpatch (add .bvt.sig for the seal)
1921964;1562435066;phf;that will make it apparent that you're still walking Input in order, one by one, because right now offset/ptr combination make it seem like you might be stepping by more than 1 and taking slices
1921965;1562438819;mp_en_viaje;ty
1921966;1562439101;mp_en_viaje;phf, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/WMlef/?raw=true
1921967;1562465146;feedbot;http://bingology.net/2019/07/07/uruguay-today-the-lefts-election-hangover-and-other-butthurt/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Uruguay Today: The Left's Election Hangover And Other Butthurt
1921968;1562466680;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile in Germany: https://archive.is/TfPqu
1921969;1562467892;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: well-known lulz -- germanic variant of http://trilema.com/2013/the-sops-or-what-might-you-expect-from-government-clerks/
1921970;1562467950;asciilifeform;there's a sovok-flavoured variant also ( and stoked somewhat by the fact that sov passport is still theoretically valid in modern ru )
1921971;1562468145;*;asciilifeform wonders whether in current italy there are also 'reichsburger' , who demand to be dealt under proper roman law...
1921972;1562468166;asciilifeform;'Die Bundesrepublik Deutschland sei kein souveräner Staat' << noshit.
1921973;1562468211;asciilifeform;( gotta also wonder, do they still fly each newly-'elected' chancellor to washington for 'the talk' ? or does usg make house calls these days ? )
1921974;1562468753;asciilifeform;[https://archive.is/s4egL][extended ver., linked via BingoBoingo's lul] >> 'Immer wieder versuchen Reichsbürger und Selbstverwalter, Behördenmitarbeiter bei Amtshandlungen zu fotografieren oder zu filmen sowie heimlich Tonaufnahmen anzufertigen ... '
1921975;1562468785;asciilifeform;i.e. apparently in eureich , officials hold copyright on their mutterings? had nfi.
1921976;1562469018;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-06#1921950 << maybe my globe is broken, but on it belarussia is landlocked ? where is the local sturgeon from ?!
1921977;1562469018;a111;Logged on 2019-07-06 12:36 mp_en_viaje: in other news, the locally sourced икра осетровая / альгиновая fucking delish. i love this country.
1921978;1562469108;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: re uy election piece -- i'ma have to confess that it reads to me exactly like descriptions of footballism. i.e. massive pile of unbound symbols
1921979;1562469120;*;asciilifeform bbl:meat
1921980;1562470086;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: That's how they organize, futbolisms
1921981;1562489289;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, im sure they fly it in.
1921982;1562489301;mp_en_viaje;i mean, the cans are written in russian not "belarussian".
1921983;1562489324;mp_en_viaje;i still bought it from the fucking "supermarket" across the street, rather than having to order it through my own system of couriers.
1921984;1562489335;mp_en_viaje;hence, "locally sourced', as opposed to "imported"
1921985;1562490595;feedbot;http://ave1.org/2019/gnat-sjlj-build-project/ << ave1 -- GNAT SJLJ Build project
1921986;1562491388;mp_en_viaje;ave1, baby, this is fucking beautiful.
1921987;1562491408;mp_en_viaje;what do you generate it with ?
1921988;1562491568;mp_en_viaje;bimbo's whispering in my ear, "excel template", is that so ?
1921989;1562491669;mp_en_viaje;http://bingology.net/2019/07/07/uruguay-today-the-lefts-election-hangover-and-other-butthurt/#selection-17.4-17.49 << this is particularly fucking lulzy, considering http://trilema.com/2016/pili/#selection-81.329-81.422
1921990;1562491689;mp_en_viaje;basically, i take it, these "frente amplio" tards are "college educated" uruguay aspie class ?
1921991;1562492805;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-07#1921975 << i dunno this is so. at the furtherst may be untested legal theory spewed by the merkelgendered, but about same substance in law as whatever nonsense the oldfatwomen come up with across the pond.
1921992;1562492805;a111;Logged on 2019-07-07 03:06 asciilifeform: i.e. apparently in eureich , officials hold copyright on their mutterings? had nfi.
1921993;1562493076;mp_en_viaje;in any case, the belief in the empire's pretense to sovereignity is evaporating at an ever-increasing rate.
1921994;1562502624;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-07#1921982 << afaik only ru and iran export sturgeon. and i've not eaten or even seen iran's, erry can i ever opened of 'black' had ru sticker.
1921995;1562502624;a111;Logged on 2019-07-07 08:48 mp_en_viaje: i mean, the cans are written in russian not "belarussian".
1921996;1562502726;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-07#1921987 << loox like graphviz. and pretty.
1921997;1562502726;a111;Logged on 2019-07-07 09:23 mp_en_viaje: what do you generate it with ?
1921998;1562502852;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-07#1921993 << is there detectable uptick in 'reichsburgers' ? or is this in re general case
1921999;1562502852;a111;Logged on 2019-07-07 09:51 mp_en_viaje: in any case, the belief in the empire's pretense to sovereignity is evaporating at an ever-increasing rate.
1922000;1562503027;*;asciilifeform goes back to work on 'war plan' piece
1922001;1562504440;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, 50
1922002;1562504446;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, 50% increase a year or somesuch
1922003;1562504456;mp_en_viaje;course, starting from a basis so narrow as to defy statistics. but anyways
1922004;1562504678;*;mp_en_viaje is having local halva, with raisins and pistachios (bought separately). fucking divine.
1922005;1562517619;ave1;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-07#1921987, Yes I used graphviz, fill in action from a basic example on their site.
1922006;1562517619;a111;Logged on 2019-07-07 09:23 mp_en_viaje: what do you generate it with ?
1922007;1562517661;ave1;I was thinking about generating it from a table, but then stopped myself (first do it a couple of times then automate)
1922008;1562517964;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/the-fruits-of-the-land-terranean-and-subterranean/ << Trilema -- The fruits of the land -- terranean and subterranean.
1922009;1562518430;asciilifeform;[http://trilema.com/2019/the-fruits-of-the-land-terranean-and-subterranean/#selection-236.1-251.2][lol -- sovok 'univermag' frozen in amber]
1922010;1562518500;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2019/the-fruits-of-the-land-terranean-and-subterranean/#selection-309.184-315.14 << i buy it quite regularly right here. (granted, from the chechens)
1922011;1562519963;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-07#1921990 << An accumulated pile of said aspies from the 1960s through the present. Their ranks are bulked up a bit by workers for the state oil business who've moved into the PCU after their previous club collapsed when their cult of personality personality who was given the oil firm's helm was caught in a spiral of scandals early 2018
1922012;1562519963;a111;Logged on 2019-07-07 09:28 mp_en_viaje: basically, i take it, these "frente amplio" tards are "college educated" uruguay aspie class ?
1922013;1562520067;BingoBoingo;Some other college educated aspies make up the Talve "I R Economista" faction of the Colorados, because in college they aspied into the sort that values titles and tulpas
1922014;1562520100;BingoBoingo;But that's a much smaller cut of the aspie pie
1922015;1562522105;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-07#1922007 << still, it's pretty cool visually ; sorta thing alf favours for his assortment of white and blackboards
1922016;1562522105;a111;Logged on 2019-07-07 16:41 ave1: I was thinking about generating it from a table, but then stopped myself (first do it a couple of times then automate)
1922017;1562522266;mp_en_viaje;incidentally, ima be in warsaw end of the month/early august, anyone from yurp wanna meet ? ave1 ? bvt ?
1922018;1562522359;mp_en_viaje;iirc lobbes was in vermont or somesuch
1922019;1562522589;mp_en_viaje;meanwhile in survival skills & postapocalypse preparations, https://media.houseofgord.com/previews/1421/MM-05-108_t.jpg
1922020;1562522808;BingoBoingo;Is that the generator or the water pump?
1922021;1562522975;mp_en_viaje;that's the generator working the water pump.
1922022;1562523128;BingoBoingo;Aite
1922023;1562524869;feedbot;http://bvt-trace.net/2019/07/vdiff-vpatch-blockwise-keccaking/ << bvt's backtrace -- Vdiff vpatch: Blockwise Keccaking
1922024;1562525763;mp_en_viaje;win.
1922025;1562526801;bvt;asciilifeform: http://bvt-trace.net/2019/07/todo-items-and-work-plan-jul2019/comment-page-1/#comment-23 re firefly; re kernel blocking, i expect that correctly implemented ring buffer would be immune from the concurrent access interference.
1922026;1562526852;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/07/pantsuit-sex-epstein-arrested-for-child-trafficking-norwegian-fish-minister-arrested-for-buggering-trafficked-migrants-in-asylum-quid-pro-quo/ << Qntra -- Pantsuit Sex: Epstein Arrested For Child Trafficking, Norwegian Fish Minister Arrested For Buggering Trafficked Migrants In Asylum Quid Pro Quo
1922027;1562527033;bvt;mp_en_viaje: i will have a look if i can arrange it -- right now i have another travel scheduled around that time.
1922028;1562532604;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile in the local thrashing, Old women and Aspie alliance just changing the rules of the campaign as they go along: https://archive.is/OMA0t
1922029;1562533186;mp_en_viaje;correctly implemented ring buffer would be immune << that's the idea.
1922030;1562544149;BingoBoingo;!Xview 1050
1922031;1562544149;auctionbot;Buy order #  1050: 500 WFF, WU esta bien Opening: 154mn ecu Leading Bid: 100mn ecu Ending: 2019-07-08 13:34:39.955285 UTC (25 hours 23 mins)
1922032;1562544163;BingoBoingo;!Xview 1051
1922033;1562544164;auctionbot;Buy order #  1051: 2835 WFF, Wire Only Opening: 400mn ecu Leading Bid: 370mn ecu Ending: 2019-07-08 13:34:53.247970 UTC (25 hours 23 mins)
1922034;1562544215;BingoBoingo;With the fiat auctions ticking down jurov could be getting some cheap coin
1922035;1562544799;feedbot;http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/07/forward-looking-report-weeks-28-31-of-2019/ << lobbesblog -- Forward-looking report: Weeks 28-31 of 2019
1922036;1562558474;mp_en_viaje;meanwhile speaking of http://bvt-trace.net/2019/07/vdiff-vpatch-blockwise-keccaking/#footnote_0_42 would someone look at that ?
1922037;1562558649;mp_en_viaje;and in other "writs in burnished rows of steel" : http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/07/forward-looking-report-weeks-28-31-of-2019/comment-page-1/#comment-37
1922038;1562558679;mp_en_viaje;btw lobbes : your blog ate my <em> wrapping "actionable".
1922039;1562558875;mircea_popescu;!!pay BingoBoingo 0.01
1922040;1562558881;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/nHDaw/?raw=true
1922041;1562558964;mircea_popescu;holy shit, feedbot saw me talk, my goose is now cooked.
1922042;1562559162;mircea_popescu;one pm every second from 06:10:32 to 06:11:30, not bad.
1922043;1562586213;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/re-reading-the-cargo-cults-case-study/ << Trilema -- Re-reading the cargo cults "case study"
1922044;1562594018;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/small-details-which-is-to-say-%d0%b4%d1%80%d0%be%d0%b1%d0%bd%d1%8b%d1%8f-%d0%b4%d1%8d%d1%82%d0%b0%d0%bb%d1%96-or-is-it-%d0%bc%d0%b5%d0%bb%d0%ba%d0%b8%d0%b5-%d0%bc%d0%b0%d0%bb%d0%b5%d0%bd%d1%8c/ << Trilema -- Small details, which is to say  . Or is it  ?  ?  ? Who even knows anymore!
1922045;1562595979;mp_en_viaje;roflmao
1922046;1562595981;mp_en_viaje;what a title
1922047;1562602495;BingoBoingo;Quite the title indeed
1922048;1562604100;mp_en_viaje;so i was coincidentally watching old southparks with the girls, and an item in season 5 (2001, just before osama ended america) totally brought it all in focus.
1922049;1562604155;mp_en_viaje;it's called "spoiled stupid whore", all about paris hilton and her supposed "influence" ; but really, it's about the end of the 90s, girls correctly identifying the right path in life and the insane pile-up of insecurity this drove aming the "traditional" ie rural population.
1922050;1562604197;mp_en_viaje;trump is ~EXACTLY~ the paris hilton ie spoiled stupid whore ; the whole "maga" thing is simply kentucky waking up to the fact that... well... they were fucking wrong 20 years ago
1922051;1562604232;mp_en_viaje;dude is exactly the clueless if vapid, neglected offspring of a rich father. "businessman in his own right", duh, just like paris, some little derivative derpitudes here and there.
1922052;1562604307;mp_en_viaje;whole fucking thing is "give us 2000 back", on those exact terms, "we want our nowhere, ohio grand opening of the spoiled stupid whore store"
1922053;1562604394;asciilifeform;'maga' ~= 'perestrojka' .
1922054;1562604444;mp_en_viaje;naa
1922055;1562604484;BingoBoingo;Lol, so it is. But as you've said Trump is a sorta clown.
1922056;1562604501;mp_en_viaje;so is paris. or w/e, was, 20 years ago.
1922057;1562604511;mp_en_viaje;hung out with... what, fucking tara reid
1922058;1562604566;mp_en_viaje;http://trilema.com/2009/problema-cu-casatoria/#selection-121.0-121.14 << that
1922059;1562604614;BingoBoingo;Right, just about everyone in the US who was alive at the time wants to return to some year between 1988 and 2000, with the median choice probably hitting somewhere around 1997
1922060;1562604649;mp_en_viaje;the 90s were pretty much the peak of the us-socialism.
1922061;1562604670;BingoBoingo;They can't unfeed China nor can they unfuck Assyria
1922062;1562604686;mp_en_viaje;the one time when anything inside could actually buy russia
1922063;1562604735;BingoBoingo;But they didn't. They wanted Walmart and McDonalds in different drag outfits instead.
1922064;1562604877;mp_en_viaje;the one thing "the general public" keeps doing, is this "too hot for life" thing when it could have an in, and then plaintive regret once the window closes.
1922065;1562605008;BingoBoingo;That's kinda the North America story in a nutshell. Could have had California gold, came late as a rush and ancestors OD'd on Kurt Cobain in the desert instead.
1922066;1562605018;mp_en_viaje;they "knew better" than bitcoin [http://trilema.com/2013/the-future-of-bitcoin-regulation/#selection-111.0-111.648][in 2013], now they're chasing pennies ; they "knew better" than stupid spoiled whore store for 9yo girls in 2001, only to maga now, and so ongoing.
1922067;1562605046;mp_en_viaje;this is the ~only result of universal franchise, this demuring at the wrong time followed by bitter regret just as soon as it's too late.
1922068;1562605049;mp_en_viaje;this and nothing more.
1922069;1562605559;BingoBoingo;Hence the Nordic impulse of Old Women to try to stagnate everything back to mud huts. Avoidance of regret by smothering the babes as they try to escape the cradle.
1922070;1562606932;asciilifeform;meanwhile, asciilifeform while cooking war plan went and thought 'oughta clean up the june item for pre-pub'. and so, for the pleasure of the audience : http://www.loper-os.org/pub/tmsrmips-demo/tmsrmips.asm
1922071;1562606935;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/tmsrmips-demo/testlinux.bin << run with.
1922072;1562607027;asciilifeform;[http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/T9b2r/?raw=true][oblig console dump].
1922073;1562607216;asciilifeform;imho is reasonably 'fittable in head'. if tonight piano falls on asciilifeform , it will not be difficult for someone else to add the missing pieces.
1922074;1562607373;asciilifeform;includes ~complete instruction set guide (in comments.)
1922075;1562607423;asciilifeform;there's a version that actually logs erry single tick and fills yer disk, and a set of utils for cutting apart said logs, but omitted here for clarity.
1922076;1562607718;asciilifeform;( for thread-completeness, the missing pieces afaik are : 1) handle speshulcases of 'div' and arithm. overflow trapping -- neither apparently used in linux, but presumably used ~somewhere~ 2) iron timer slave thread 3) nic 4) disk i/o 5) cuntoo port ! )
1922077;1562607878;asciilifeform;currently i suspect it is world's fastest emulator, for pc, of any machine whatsoever, but suspect can be made yet speedier (see comment re tlb entries) and elsewhere.
1922078;1562607909;asciilifeform;there are ~no~ dependencies, and yes not libc either.
1922079;1562607986;asciilifeform;req'd mem is ~200 bytes + however big is the memory image used for particular run.
1922080;1562608624;asciilifeform;the reason why posted, is that theoretically this is enuff to start the cuntoo port. supposing anyone finds himself with a free hand.
1922081;1562608697;mp_en_viaje;one of the beautiful things about minsk is that the sun sets a tlike 23:0
1922082;1562608698;mp_en_viaje;0
1922083;1562608705;asciilifeform;will genesis like civilized people when myself have a free hand (atm do not, still writing piece re what remains to be done in ffa and how long takes etc )
1922084;1562608754;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, nb.
1922085;1562608768;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: if you have 5min, go ahead an' boot it up, it boots...
1922086;1562608932;asciilifeform;'bogomips' figure will be same errywhere, as there is no iron timer simulated yet, the faux timer is simply 'erry N instr. ticks'
1922087;1562608999;asciilifeform;linux, interestingly, seems to spend good % of its boot cycles in the calculation of 'bogomips.' if subtracting this, thing boot in coupla 100 msec. (as is, approx 8sec, on my irons)
1922088;1562609419;asciilifeform;atm this proggy does ~not~ write to the disk -- all state is lost when switched off.
1922089;1562609565;asciilifeform;theoretically bins cooked using [http://bvt-trace.net/2019/06/building-ave1gnat-for-mipsel-sf/][ave1's mipsel gnat] will run in the sim.
1922090;1562609768;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, naa, i'm in bed, gonna watch some 50s film.
1922091;1562609776;asciilifeform;no hurry.
1922092;1562609780;asciilifeform;it's a toy atm.
1922093;1562609805;mp_en_viaje;aha.
1922094;1562609858;asciilifeform;who wants to try, tho, can , dun need any fancy tooling, build with yasm/fasm/nasm/prolly others
1922095;1562613149;BingoBoingo;!Xview 1050
1922096;1562613149;auctionbot;Buy order #  1050: 500 WFF, WU esta bien Opening: 154mn ecu Leading Bid: 100mn ecu Ending: 2019-07-08 13:34:39.955285 UTC (6 hours 13 mins)
1922097;1562613157;BingoBoingo;!Xview 1051
1922098;1562613158;auctionbot;Buy order #  1051: 2835 WFF, Wire Only Opening: 400mn ecu Leading Bid: 370mn ecu Ending: 2019-07-08 13:34:53.247970 UTC (6 hours 13 mins)
1922099;1562615207;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/07/germany-defies-us-order-to-send-wehrmacht-to-syrian/ << Qntra -- Germany Defies US Order To Send Wehrmacht To Syrian
1922100;1562615361;BingoBoingo;fxd
1922101;1562616806;PeterL;!Xbid 1050 70mn
1922102;1562616806;auctionbot;Buy order # 1050: 500 WFF, WU esta bien Heard: 70mn from PeterL outbidding jurov. Ending: 2019-07-08 13:34:39.955285 UTC (5 hours 12 mins)
1922103;1562616860;jurov;!Xbid 1050 60mn
1922104;1562616860;auctionbot;Buy order # 1050: 500 WFF, WU esta bien Heard: 60mn from jurov outbidding PeterL. Ending: 2019-07-08 13:34:39.955285 UTC (5 hours 11 mins)
1922105;1562617171;PeterL;!Xbid 1050 54mn
1922106;1562617171;auctionbot;Buy order # 1050: 500 WFF, WU esta bien Heard: 54mn from PeterL outbidding jurov. Ending: 2019-07-08 13:34:39.955285 UTC (5 hours 5 mins)
1922107;1562617991;BingoBoingo;Mocky, billymg: Either of you want to get in on the bidding action?
1922108;1562621332;feedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2019/07/08/the-rocky-moon-notes-on-graphics-for-eulora-ii/ << Ossa Sepia -- The Rocky Moon (Notes on Graphics for Eulora, II)
1922109;1562625136;Mocky;!Xbid 1050 52mn
1922110;1562625137;auctionbot;Buy order # 1050: 500 WFF, WU esta bien Heard: 52mn from Mocky outbidding PeterL. Ending: 2019-07-08 13:34:39.955285 UTC (2 hours 53 mins)
1922111;1562627235;BingoBoingo;!Xbid 1051
1922112;1562627235;auctionbot;BingoBoingo: Eggog: Not enough arguments for command 'bid'. Syntax is: bid order# bid(ecu). e.g. !Xbid 123 12mn
1922113;1562627249;BingoBoingo;!Xview 1051
1922114;1562627249;auctionbot;Buy order #  1051: 2835 WFF, Wire Only Opening: 400mn ecu Leading Bid: 370mn ecu Ending: 2019-07-08 13:34:53.247970 UTC (2 hours 18 mins)
1922115;1562627421;BingoBoingo;!Qcalc 2835 / .37
1922116;1562627422;lobbesbot;BingoBoingo: 7662.16216216
1922117;1562627454;Mocky;if i had a couple more benjies i'd bid on that
1922118;1562627602;BingoBoingo;Faster delivery is nice, but delivery in a reasonable frame of time is acceptable
1922119;1562627686;Mocky;if delivery on july 19 is reasonable i could bid
1922120;1562627785;BingoBoingo;Before the 20th is fine, later than the 20th would induce some anxiety, later than the 25th still more, and the very last day of the month would induce serious question regarding bidding motives
1922121;1562627894;BingoBoingo;It's a monthly auction. But don't go firing off invoices without firing off wires.
1922122;1562628044;*;BingoBoingo probably going to have to narrow the gar between the datacenter parcel and heathen rate again next month.
1922123;1562628310;Mocky;!Xbid 1051 354mn
1922124;1562628311;auctionbot;Buy order # 1051: 2835 WFF, Wire Only Heard: 354mn from Mocky outbidding jurov. Ending: 2019-07-08 13:34:53.247970 UTC (2 hours 0 mins)
1922125;1562632557;feedbot;http://pizarroisp.net/2019/07/09/pizarro-isp-june-2019-report/ << PizarroISP -- Pizarro ISP June 2019 Report
1922126;1562633503;jurov;!Xbid 1051 330mn
1922127;1562633503;auctionbot;Buy order # 1051: 2835 WFF, Wire Only Heard: 330mn from jurov outbidding Mocky. Ending: 2019-07-08 13:34:53.247970 UTC (0 hours 33 mins)
1922128;1562633544;Mocky;!Xbid 1051 314mn
1922129;1562633545;auctionbot;Buy order # 1051: 2835 WFF, Wire Only Heard: 314mn from Mocky outbidding jurov. Ending: 2019-07-08 13:34:53.247970 UTC (0 hours 33 mins)
1922130;1562635551;auctionbot;Buy order # 1050 has ENDED: 500 WFF, WU esta bien SOLD by Mocky for 52mn ecu. Attn: BingoBoingo
1922131;1562635552;auctionbot;Buy order # 1051 has ENDED: 2835 WFF, Wire Only SOLD by Mocky for 314mn ecu. Attn: BingoBoingo
1922132;1562635913;Mocky;!Qcalc (500 + 2835) / (.314 + .052)
1922133;1562635913;lobbesbot;Mocky: 9112.02185792
1922134;1562636086;BingoBoingo;Mocky: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/KRn3S/?raw=true
1922135;1562636293;Mocky;BingoBoingo: looks good. I'll update you on when these will be sent. 19th at the latest, maybe sooner
1922136;1562636565;Mocky;BingoBoingo: I have my blog posts migrated over to the mp-wp you set up for me on UY1, I want to switch over and have mocky.org served from there. What's a good way to do that?
1922137;1562636655;Mocky;I was thinking I could just swap the contents of 'www' and 'wwwhabeeb'
1922138;1562637127;BingoBoingo;Mocky: That would probably work. Otherwise I could change your apache vhost file to use the wwhabeeb directory as its root
1922139;1562637160;BingoBoingo;When do you want to do the switchover?
1922140;1562637907;Mocky;i'm going to try it now, see what happens
1922141;1562638782;Mocky;ok seems like everything worked except the images
1922142;1562638921;BingoBoingo;Is there anything in the new http://mocky.org/img/ folder?
1922143;1562638983;Mocky;I deleted everything in www and cp -a * ~/www/ from in wwwhabeeb and now images are broke in mocky.org and mockyhabeeb.com, which i expected to be unchanged
1922144;1562639138;BingoBoingo;Do you have a backup of your image directory somewhere?
1922145;1562639158;Mocky;not sure why it's using img at all. yes i have it backed up
1922146;1562639175;Mocky;oh shit lol
1922147;1562639215;Mocky;i bet the images never migrated at all, only pointed to exiting img folder, hmm. i can replace it for now
1922148;1562639298;Mocky;yup that 'fixed' it
1922149;1562639367;BingoBoingo;That appears to have fixed it here too. Your select doesn't seem to be working atm. I can fix that for you really quick.
1922150;1562639382;Mocky;that would be great, thanks
1922151;1562639733;Mocky;fyi to mocky.org readers: blog will be in a sad state for a bit but functional. images not fitting page size, most old comments refused to import, will need to write a script to dump them in one at a time. I'm putting the old content of mocky.org at mockyhabeeb.com for reference until everything is back in place
1922152;1562658105;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-09#1922133 << isn't this WAY under the ~13k the coin trades for irl ?
1922153;1562658105;a111;Logged on 2019-07-09 01:31 lobbesbot: Mocky: 9112.02185792
1922154;1562658251;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-09#1922151 << if you dig through mp-wp guts there's a means to auto-adjust image size to order for a batch of images. the uploader uses it.
1922155;1562658251;a111;Logged on 2019-07-09 02:35 Mocky: fyi to mocky.org readers: blog will be in a sad state for a bit but functional. images not fitting page size, most old comments refused to import, will need to write a script to dump them in one at a time. I'm putting the old content of mocky.org at mockyhabeeb.com for reference until everything is back in place
1922156;1562658275;mp_en_viaje;takes file.jpg spits out something like file-xpixel-ypixel.jpg
1922157;1562658296;mp_en_viaje;of course, can also do this offline with ffmpeg or something.
1922158;1562681856;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-09#1922152 << it does seem like there's a gaping hole that someone who lives where can easily use heathen exchange houses, could fill, 'buy cheap, sell dear'
1922159;1562681856;a111;Logged on 2019-07-09 07:41 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-09#1922133 << isn't this WAY under the ~13k the coin trades for irl ?
1922160;1562681921;mp_en_viaje;including, eg, BingoBoingo
1922161;1562681962;asciilifeform;iirc he was making ready to try it, had 'bicycle man' or what was it
1922162;1562681970;mp_en_viaje;we're talking 2/3 sorta margins here, i dunno if it's obvious, but merely 6% or so was enough for me to set the bozo bit on all of fucking norway.
1922163;1562681984;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, "making ready" ain't a thing.
1922164;1562682006;asciilifeform;fair'nuff, i do not know the detail, or why not worked
1922165;1562682036;asciilifeform;it's a potentially large, if temporary, buried treasure, for anyone outside reich to collect
1922166;1562682096;asciilifeform;jurov iirc already was making bank, with this, nao needs some competition..
1922167;1562682337;asciilifeform;( could, e.g. spyked ? diana_coman ? all you need is a free world passport, and rake in the dough )
1922168;1562682363;asciilifeform;... phf ?
1922169;1562682681;asciilifeform;speaking of this, BingoBoingo -- how long until ~you~ can pick up yer phree world passport ?
1922170;1562684578;PeterL;asciilifeform: how does the type of passport affect the ability to join in auction?
1922171;1562685224;PeterL;today heathen exchange says 13k, but during the auction it was more like 10 to 12k
1922172;1562686725;asciilifeform;PeterL: thrd was re arbitrage of gap b/w piz & heathen rates
1922173;1562686887;asciilifeform;PeterL: inside reich, heathen exch houses such that you'd actually want to deal with, are extinct. whereas ones outside generally won't deal with zeks from inside.
1922174;1562687115;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/minsk-central-market-locally-known-as-%d0%9a%d0%b0%d0%bc%d0%b0%d1%80%d0%be%d1%9e%d1%81%d0%bai-%d1%80%d1%8b%d0%bd%d0%b0%d0%ba/ << Trilema -- Minsk Central Market, locally known as i
1922175;1562688350;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-09#1922161 << He came through in May, but doing so stretched his trading bandwidth.
1922176;1562688350;a111;Logged on 2019-07-09 14:19 asciilifeform: iirc he was making ready to try it, had 'bicycle man' or what was it
1922177;1562688351;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-09#1922162 << Last month I set the starting price on the big auction close to the reported rate and Jurov came through. This month I read noise in the channel about people wanting opportunities to buy more BTC, and I erred opening bidding on the parcel too low.
1922178;1562688351;a111;Logged on 2019-07-09 14:19 mp_en_viaje: we're talking 2/3 sorta margins here, i dunno if it's obvious, but merely 6% or so was enough for me to set the bozo bit on all of fucking norway.
1922179;1562688351;BingoBoingo;What especially worries me is that the 500 USD parcel came in under 10k USD/BTC as well http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-09#1922130
1922180;1562688351;a111;Logged on 2019-07-09 01:25 auctionbot: Buy order # 1050 has ENDED: 500 WFF, WU esta bien SOLD by Mocky for 52mn ecu. Attn: BingoBoingo
1922181;1562688506;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> speaking of this, BingoBoingo -- how long until ~you~ can pick up yer phree world passport ? << Still at least a couple years out.
1922182;1562688847;mp_en_viaje;the idea being, nobody trades bitcoin for fiat in uruguay, we know this for having looked ; and nobody trades bitcoin for fiat in buenos aires, either, we also know this for having looked, because the fiddy bux it costs to cross the river goes into the gap many many times over.
1922183;1562688889;mp_en_viaje;i somehow doubt the foregoing, seeing how i had no problem dealing in whatever fiats i felt like by the wheelbarrow not so long ago ; both through the chinese financial support of their supermarket trade and through local money exchangers in the streets etc.
1922184;1562688912;mp_en_viaje;i rather suspect we're just sitting on ass waiting for "things to happen", and have not in fact talked to EVERY SINGLE STREET TRADER / supermarket / etcetera.
1922185;1562688932;mp_en_viaje;much like we're sitting on ass waiting for somebody else to do something and save us, and have not in fact talked to every potential customer.
1922186;1562688934;mp_en_viaje;and so following.
1922187;1562688949;mp_en_viaje;it is a measure of idiocy, this, when in a market trading at x, you're stuck trading at 2/3 x.
1922188;1562689013;mp_en_viaje;but hey -- at least sitting on ass for a year and not making any contacts on local bitcoins resulted in local bitcoins finally closing down, and so now we don't need to make excuses for why no contacts doing the p2p thing -- "there is nowhere" etc.
1922189;1562689017;mp_en_viaje;impressive, impressive.
1922190;1562689126;BingoBoingo;I will be making rounds this month seeing who are the conduits that keep the latest crop of Venezolana's granparents from starving in old country.
1922191;1562689649;mp_en_viaje;somebody is doing that, right ?
1922192;1562689721;BingoBoingo;The bicycle guy and a few others. The others tend to insist on larger spreads.
1922193;1562689864;BingoBoingo;lobbes: Does auctionbot allow bidding on auctions you create?
1922194;1562690317;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, one possible approach here is to set yourself a hook-up irl, and then put the auction in at THAT price.
1922195;1562690346;mp_en_viaje;it's one thing if you find some dork in buenos aires who does 1% off market and you add 50 bucks for your ticket and 50 bucks for your time to that ;
1922196;1562690386;mp_en_viaje;it's another thing if you end up trading at prices from jun 1th on july 9th
1922197;1562690394;mp_en_viaje;15th*
1922198;1562690925;BingoBoingo;This, or something similar is what I'm inclined to do next auction. Open it at a locally available rate + margin for some double digit dosiedo costs.
1922199;1562690990;lobbesbot;!!up lobbes_field
1922200;1562690991;deedbot;lobbes_field voiced for 30 minutes.
1922201;1562690995;lobbes_field;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-09#1922193 << it does not. Though I'm open to changing its behavior if it seems like a good idea
1922202;1562690995;a111;Logged on 2019-07-09 16:31 BingoBoingo: lobbes: Does auctionbot allow bidding on auctions you create?
1922203;1562691507;BingoBoingo;Anyways, thinking on how the exchange rate is moving at a more lively clip... Would it make sense to shorten the duration of the auction for the larger Datacenter parcel? Auction opens the 8th between 0:01 and 1:30 UTC and 25 or 26 hours later on the 9th, and keep doing that month after month.
1922204;1562691764;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, there's two separate issues here. one is the implicit fx risk -- if you're stuck paying suppliers on say 5th and sell your product on 28th the exchange rate may move and you could find yourself in this situation where you bought items with btc at 9 and sold them with btc at 12.
1922205;1562691804;mp_en_viaje;however, there's also the market inefficiency fx risk, where on the fucking day your auction closed, your auction traded at 9 and the other market traded at 12.
1922206;1562691823;mp_en_viaje;they're not the fucking same thing at all ; the former's unfixable while the latter's intolerable.
1922207;1562691842;mp_en_viaje;for this reason they shouldn't be comingled into one pile.
1922208;1562691873;BingoBoingo;It was a wondering if the unfixable former was contributing to the later, but I'll leave that to its own pile.
1922209;1562691913;mp_en_viaje;now : ~if~, and this is a big if and something that needs specific management decision, you as a corp decide to carry the cost of inefficiency, so as to sponsor into existence a market,
1922210;1562691961;mp_en_viaje;then the 12-9 difference has to go on your books, as such. "this month, we spent 0.11 btc on incentivizing the lazy and inept cloud of hanger ons so maybe they galvanize into some kind of economically useful activity"
1922211;1562691976;mp_en_viaje;passing it to your customers implicitly is iffy.
1922212;1562692006;mp_en_viaje;if you don't want to do that, you'll have to judiciously use the reserve ; and in order to be able to do this, you must ACTUALLY HAVE that reserve, through having your own network of corresponding financiers.
1922213;1562692041;mp_en_viaje;these are the actual articulations of the matter from a business & finance pov.
1922214;1562692111;mp_en_viaje;re the iffy above : if the gap is relatively narrow, you can very well tell the customer, "looksy, i dun so much care what you read on the internet, the reality is this and if you don't like it -- do something".
1922215;1562692140;mp_en_viaje;however, if the gap is absurdly wide -- and yes, 33% on ONE SIDE amply qualifies for absurdly wide -- you can't very well say that, because the reality simply can't be that.
1922216;1562692152;mp_en_viaje;you must be doing something wrong (tm)
1922217;1562692270;mp_en_viaje;the implicit margin would be "when bitcoin was trading at 12 we were selling at 9 [and therefore buying at 15]". 9-15 spread means no less than 66% spread, this is not even a thing, like saying open circuits are "practically closed".
1922218;1562692648;BingoBoingo;Next month's auction will have the reserve applied, unless asciilifeform and mod6 both vigorously object
1922219;1562692671;*;asciilifeform does not object, mp_en_viaje has solid point
1922220;1562692804;BingoBoingo;That gap can't persist.
1922221;1562693227;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-09#1922167 -> uhm, raking in dough at the expense of pizarro and its customers doesn't strike me as desirable and the alternative is essentially to do the financier part for pizarro which doesn't strike me as very healthy either.
1922222;1562693227;a111;Logged on 2019-07-09 14:25 asciilifeform: ( could, e.g. spyked ? diana_coman ? all you need is a free world passport, and rake in the dough )
1922223;1562693252;*;diana_coman is catching up with the log
1922224;1562693285;asciilifeform;diana_coman: to suppose that arbitrageurs 'enrich at expense of' is similar to supposing that bee 'enriches at expense' of flower
1922225;1562693308;diana_coman;asciilifeform: that's not what I said.
1922226;1562693344;asciilifeform;hm sentence had 2nc clause ah
1922227;1562693347;asciilifeform;*2nd
1922228;1562700509;jurov;BingoBoingo: but the auction isn't set in stone, nobody (surely not me) would bat an eye if you canceled and redid it at different price
1922229;1562700700;jurov;Better option than shortening the time imo.
1922230;1562700895;jurov;When asked, I quoted market avg +5%, last year due to volatility actually ended up with less than 5%.
1922231;1562700912;jurov;Surely you can do the "making bank" better, go for it.
1922232;1562703172;BingoBoingo;jurov: The problem I find myself in at this time, is that the time to spec the auction that way is when opening it.
1922233;1562704292;Mocky;i would have bid up to 12 in order to win the auction. but in any case two bidders are not much of a market when one presumably has the dollars today but only bids up to 2/3 and the other will bid up to 3/3 but is liek, 'can i bid today and pay 10 days hence?'
1922234;1562706396;Mocky;I don't expect to have enough to bid on the datacenter auction for august but I do for sept
1922235;1562712385;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/07/poland-pursuing-repatriation-of-gold-reserves-from-airstrip-one/ << Qntra -- Poland Pursuing Repatriation Of Gold Reserves From Airstrip One
1922236;1562737903;jurov;BingoBoingo: yes, and I meant to cancel it and open a new one
1922237;1562739558;mp_en_viaje;jurov, eh, come on. can't just arbitrarily undo auctions because not like the result.
1922238;1562739568;mp_en_viaje;there's just not this thing where we walk back in time and "adjust"
1922239;1562739596;mp_en_viaje;the experience of the past is there to inform the future, not to reformulate the past, we're not the pantsuit here.
1922240;1562741402;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-09#1922170 << it satisfies the pillars of asciilifeform 's [http://trilema.com/2016/yes-there-is-a-difference-between-rational-and-correct/#selection-167.72-167.101][impotence-protecting] thought pattern : a) it's issued through some nebulous, uncontrollable process by some distant and faceless substitute-to-authority
1922241;1562741402;a111;Logged on 2019-07-09 15:02 PeterL: asciilifeform: how does the type of passport affect the ability to join in auction?
1922242;1562741402;mp_en_viaje;(compare and contrast ballas' "manhood card reissued" article, which obviously i can't find, with either <a href=http://trilema.com/2015/strategy-for-the-antisocial-struggle/>type A</a> or <a href=http://trilema.com/2017/the-universal-plan-for-wealth/>type B</a> actual manhood cards) ;
1922243;1562741402;mp_en_viaje;b) it's practically irrelevant but theoretically involved (the practical irrelevance is important to protect the theoretical involvement from empirical challenges) ;
1922244;1562741407;mp_en_viaje;c) that "theoretical involvement" works through a purely arbitrary tower of chairs sort of arrangement, very much like the well documented pshycological defense of splitting (for the obvious reason). this is important to protect the theoretical involvement from deductive callenges.
1922245;1562741411;mp_en_viaje;by the exact same logic, amerigo vespucci can't get to america to have it named after himself -- because lacking a passport issued by the femgendered king of tenochtitlan, he can't reproduce the described and pre-occurring voyage of columbus. sorry amerigo, we're gonna have to call america something else now.
1922246;1562741430;mp_en_viaje;speaking of, did someone have a complete ballas archive somewhere ? i'd like to re-reat that article.
1922247;1562741438;mp_en_viaje;lobbes, maybe ? or was it spyked ?
1922248;1562741797;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-09#1922201 << it does not.
1922249;1562741797;a111;Logged on 2019-07-09 16:49 lobbes_field: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-09#1922193 << it does not. Though I'm open to changing its behavior if it seems like a good idea
1922250;1562741815;mp_en_viaje;the creator's bid is called the reserve price, and is stated as "opening for X"
1922251;1562742543;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-09#1922203 << you could conceivably take the step of separating your need and your behaviour. sum up what you need per year, divide it by 52, take yourself whatever margin you feel like / judge adequate, and announce a regular weekly auction period. "they start at noon gmt each wed and close at 10am each thurs" or w/e such a thing. and then STICK TO IT!!!! unlike the "i publish on so a
1922252;1562742543;a111;Logged on 2019-07-09 16:58 BingoBoingo: Anyways, thinking on how the exchange rate is moving at a more lively clip... Would it make sense to shorten the duration of the auction for the larger Datacenter parcel? Auction opens the 8th between 0:01 and 1:30 UTC and 25 or 26 hours later on the 9th, and keep doing that month after month.
1922253;1562742543;mp_en_viaje;nd so day, clear out your schedule" utter failure, resulting in the predictable "waah, nobody reads my thing".
1922254;1562742567;mp_en_viaje;this "ima auction when i need, what i need, and god help me" approach clearly requires a much larger downstream market than you have available.
1922255;1562742614;mp_en_viaje;moreover, if the price swings too fast for you, something like this is the only available save ; and it has to be weekly because you clearly don't have the infrastructure to handle daily.
1922256;1562742635;bvt;mp_en_viaje: https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2013/01/no_self-respecting_woman_would.html
1922257;1562742641;mp_en_viaje;bvt tyvm!
1922258;1562742643;scriba;TypeError: argument of type 'NoneType' is not iterable (file "modules/archive.py", line 59, in archive_a_url)
1922259;1562743150;mp_en_viaje;an arrangement like this was the implicit counterparty to the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-06#1917494 inquiry. the idea behind it is that if a) you need 3k each quarter and $800 each month (random numbers, whatever) and b) you figured out this sums to 22l year and you want to at all times sit on 15% of that ie 3300 for safety then c) you're running weekly auctions for about $400 (which is very accessible for every
1922260;1562743150;a111;Logged on 2019-06-06 11:33 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, BingoBoingo how's the status, are you rather short or rather long dubaloo liquidity ?
1922261;1562743150;mp_en_viaje;one, mocky won't have to "wait ten days for me") and d) can readily answer questions like that from me, because either your 3300 looks more like $450 and holy shit help or else it looks more like $4500 and plox take some cash off of me.
1922262;1562743165;mp_en_viaje;ie, i'm trying to help you here, but i'm trying to help you as if you were an adult running an actual business.
1922263;1562743178;mp_en_viaje;can't persevere with this 12yo running fantasy baseball teams approach to life.
1922264;1562743613;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-09#1922235 << speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-27#1920374 ; what a coincidence.
1922265;1562743613;a111;Logged on 2019-07-09 22:46 feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/07/poland-pursuing-repatriation-of-gold-reserves-from-airstrip-one/ << Qntra -- Poland Pursuing Repatriation Of Gold Reserves From Airstrip One
1922266;1562743613;a111;Logged on 2019-06-27 16:00 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, absolutely not. us barely even figures here.
1922267;1562743677;mp_en_viaje;https://archive.is/Aty0a/ffd59b4712d8ec57238a582cd10b708d4cc5225a.jpg << fucking wudnerbar pic too!
1922268;1562746901;mp_en_viaje;meanwhile archive.is started importing a metric shitton of yandex-hosted javascript, most of which is broken. what the fuck is wrong with people ;/
1922269;1562746934;mp_en_viaje;https://mc.yandex.ru/metrika/tag.js << wtf is that dumb shit.
1922270;1562747370;mp_en_viaje;and re that fantasy....
1922271;1562747378;mp_en_viaje;eh, ima just write the article
1922272;1562757180;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/the-business-and-the-fantasy/ << Trilema -- The business ; and the fantasy
1922273;1562757777;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-01-31#468835 << in other lulz, 2014 logs are... so fucking weird. 25k words a day for one thing ; five word lines 0n average for the other.
1922274;1562757777;a111;Logged on 2014-01-31 01:02 mircea_popescu: it's a sad time we live in when the close minded burgeois scares the revolutionary artists.
1922275;1562761031;diana_coman;not yet enough for more than 5 words per line? lol
1922276;1562761088;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-10#1922268 -> ~everything is broken so possibly updating-into-conformity with this modern requirement
1922277;1562761088;a111;Logged on 2019-07-10 08:21 mp_en_viaje: meanwhile archive.is started importing a metric shitton of yandex-hosted javascript, most of which is broken. what the fuck is wrong with people ;/
1922278;1562761155;mp_en_viaje;nuts
1922279;1562761182;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, yeah, i was thinking earlier, line length may actually be the best proxy available for group cohesion. back then, a lotta randos talking a lotta useless shit.
1922280;1562761198;mp_en_viaje;snr not even really measurable for lack of any serious concept of s or n.
1922281;1562761233;diana_coman;aha, something like that
1922282;1562761270;mp_en_viaje;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/C32zX/?raw=true << meanwhile im getting... bitcoin to usd offers as trilema spam
1922283;1562761323;diana_coman;lolz; how's your strong mood today Sir?
1922284;1562761436;mp_en_viaje;my strong mood's kinda weak, tbh. i just opened the fridge and it smells so very eastern european, between the dozen types of pickled mushrooms... i even have kimchi! and smoked eel and whatnot.
1922285;1562761467;mp_en_viaje;i;m a stay at home master, the girls are out working the streets, perhaps ima start on a  nice pasta in white sauce thing so it's ready by the time they're back home.
1922286;1562761534;mp_en_viaje;maybe i should open a bottle of wine ? i wonder what's happening in days of our li^H^H^H^H^H game of hungers.
1922287;1562761551;mp_en_viaje;is it ok to wear make-up if it makes me feel better about myself ?
1922288;1562761553;diana_coman;heh; the pickled mushrooms thing is one where I gave in and made my own after 6 years+ of trying every possible thing they have in the west by that name
1922289;1562761579;diana_coman;as long as the smoked eel doesn't suffer...
1922290;1562762165;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/the-bitcoin-discussion/ << Trilema -- The Bitcoin discussion
1922291;1562763371;asciilifeform;eastern european... kimchi?!
1922292;1562764365;diana_coman;that'd be more eastern than european, lol; I took it to mean "fermented"
1922293;1562770345;mp_en_viaje;well, the belarussians appreciate korean foods, what can i say. you can buy home-made kimchi from the market here.
1922294;1562776495;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-10#1922263 << I'll sit down at the math table and put together a more literate, forward looking dispatch. Thank you for carrying the stick.
1922295;1562776495;a111;Logged on 2019-07-10 07:19 mp_en_viaje: can't persevere with this 12yo running fantasy baseball teams approach to life.
1922296;1562776637;mp_en_viaje;list your problems, fucking enumerate their solutions, measure the costs, that's what the fuck rational activity even is! "doing weekly smaller auctions would improve  participation and cut down friction costs and our fx risks, but it would introduce transfer costs -- western union / moneygram are like 20 bux per + nwo they get to build their own experimental scheme of my wot ; cash in mail has a failure rate, i dun
1922297;1562776637;mp_en_viaje;no what it is, maybe it's worth measuring, if under 5% ie 20/400 maybe worth doing" and so on and so forth till the cows come home
1922298;1562776654;mp_en_viaje;and every single step of the way of them cows coming home === the building of the republican stairwell. cuz how the fuck else.
1922299;1562776691;mp_en_viaje;just as long as it's unyieldingly systematic, you're doing something useful.
1922300;1562777674;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i actually considered good old cash-in-mail. sticking point is that u.s. mail has become stupidly expensive -- sending even small flatpack (i.e. big enuff for newspaper+benjie) costs nao approx what wu costs
1922301;1562777730;mp_en_viaje;i confess the last time i mailed anything hillary clinton still looked like she could turn her life around and become the slutty hottie genetics were proposing all along.
1922302;1562777733;asciilifeform;( interestingly -- there is no Official fatwa against benjies in mail, afaik . simply not +ev, as it is )
1922303;1562777736;mp_en_viaje;merely there as placeholder example.
1922304;1562777870;*;asciilifeform still gets megatonnes of wu spamola, all in spanish, 'plox to send moar, discount!11 etc'
1922305;1562777949;mp_en_viaje;heh
1922306;1562779352;mp_en_viaje;speaking of hilary's youth and such cobwebbed shit everyone meanwhile forgot all about, https://scontent-frx5-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/0080031412305862cd78059a74784663/5DBBF61A/t51.2885-15/e35/s1080x1080/65392405_2297956933652449_6235615620232879034_n.jpg
1922307;1562779374;asciilifeform;link goes to eggog
1922308;1562779382;mp_en_viaje;i call this "starlet's slow march to adulthood"
1922309;1562779468;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, https://archive.is/VDRag/8559c4267c6d5b254fd8b490e89a6ef7f4fd45e9.com
1922310;1562779496;asciilifeform;ty
1922311;1562781673;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/the-barbarian-horde-presents-girandole-alfright-o/ << Trilema -- The Barbarian Horde presents : Girandole Al'fright-o!
1922312;1562784268;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-01-31#469166 lmao
1922313;1562784268;a111;Logged on 2014-01-31 02:39 herbijudlestoids: i wish people would stop interrupting your interesting comments with inane bullshit so i can try to understand
1922314;1562796561;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/07/airstrip-one-queens-newest-capital-ship-struggling-with-water/ << Qntra -- Airstrip One: Queen's Newest Capital Ship Struggling With Water
1922315;1562829773;mp_en_viaje;that's ok, personal struggle is the most important part of achievement.
1922316;1562829791;mp_en_viaje;there's no innate talent anyway.
1922317;1562849020;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/continuing-with-the-reflective-history-of-the-republican-forum-still-on-logday-659-year-6-dtr/ << Trilema -- Continuing with the reflective history of the republican forum -- still on logday 659 (year 6 d.Tr.)
1922318;1562854750;diana_coman;ben_vulpes can I have #ossasepia logged too please?
1922319;1562854943;diana_coman;spyked: I pressed the logbot to logbot_command_router_python_genesis.vpatch - at a quick look it seems to me that it contains the core but not the web-publishing glue, am I missing something?
1922320;1562857518;BingoBoingo;<mp_en_viaje> that's ok, personal struggle is the most important part of achievement. << This is true
1922321;1562858543;mp_en_viaje;meanwhile in america, https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-zpdMLWwAA20bA.jpg
1922322;1562858577;*;asciilifeform confirms : in america -- this.
1922323;1562858601;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-01-31#470155 << amusingly, herem is ~this : shoppingbot, follows you around grocery store, carries bags home, then buys accordingly from then on.
1922324;1562858601;a111;Logged on 2014-01-31 17:06 benkay: i just want a robot that follows me to the grocery store and back
1922325;1562858615;mp_en_viaje;aaaaand i fucking love it.
1922326;1562860879;BingoBoingo;Forward looking Prelude to Forward looking statement: I plan to be finished producing it tomorrow afternoon. Weekly auctions are looking like the trick to put our fiat reserve to work on auctions, because with Bitcoin climbing its become a sort of albatross just passively sitting as an "Oh shit fund" and depreciating.
1922327;1562861895;lobbesbot;!!up lobbes_field
1922328;1562861895;deedbot;lobbes_field voiced for 30 minutes.
1922329;1562861916;lobbes_field;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-11#1922319 << currently there exists no logotron web publishing glue. spyked is currently making headway on the 'cl-www kit' tho >> http://www.thetarpit.org/posts/y05/095-cl-who-ii.html
1922330;1562861916;a111;Logged on 2019-07-11 14:22 diana_coman: spyked: I pressed the logbot to logbot_command_router_python_genesis.vpatch - at a quick look it seems to me that it contains the core but not the web-publishing glue, am I missing something?
1922331;1562861952;lobbes_field;Relatedly, I'm thinking that once I produce the mod_lisp vpatch, I may just leave the rest of the cl-www project to spyked, while I instead work on a 'python/php www kit.
1922332;1562861968;lobbes_field;This on the grounds that a) after reading the various cuntoo ebuild threads, it isn't clear to me that pythonisms are actually not needed and b) I actually know python/php, whereas I do not know cl
1922333;1562862072;*;lobbes_field back to mines
1922334;1562880951;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/07/brit-cop-pleas-guilty-after-using-his-access-to-police-db-to-see-investigations-into-himself/ << Qntra -- Brit Cop Pleas Guilty After Using His Access To Police DB To See Investigations Into Himself
1922335;1562919490;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/so-what-are-you/ << Trilema -- So what are you...
1922336;1562923528;mp_en_viaje;meanwhile in other http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-08#1623380 slash http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-05#1839537 lulz : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/N2UQY/?raw=true
1922337;1562923528;a111;Logged on 2017-03-08 22:29 mircea_popescu: in other lulz : femen, the "ukrainian" organisation is selling shit priced in dollars via 2checkout.com, the columbus ohio us corp.
1922338;1562923528;a111;Logged on 2018-08-05 18:26 mircea_popescu: <milky25> Handshake cryptocurrency scam is operated by Andrew Lee (276-88-0536), the fraudster in chief at Private Internet Access which now owns Freenode
1922339;1562923543;mp_en_viaje;why would "an open source project" be doing [http://trilema.com/2014/spamming-reddit-an-experiment/][the deed] ? hm ?
1922340;1562930903;mp_en_viaje;http://trilema.com/2019/continuing-with-the-reflective-history-of-the-republican-forum-still-on-logday-659-year-6-dtr << meanwhile did the whole thing / "finished", if anyone still cares.
1922341;1562932371;diana_coman;"You unpretentiously rumble to douse and purpose Tor." - this is close to that Lushdrizzle eulora came up with, lol.
1922342;1562932627;mp_en_viaje;word
1922343;1562940763;mp_en_viaje;and continuing on that lulz : you know what's missing from [http://archive.is/bm7xC][this list of obscura] ? ANY republican logger whatsoever. websites that were last loaded in 2016, yes. the ~only thing actually happening in the whole friggin' world ? awww.
1922344;1562940849;mp_en_viaje;not that it's directed, either. consider, randomly picking, a search for news from costa rica : http://archive.is/Uwh5N
1922345;1562940875;mp_en_viaje;'A citizen of the world': NASA's first Latino astronaut reflects on how space changed his immigrant identity - Washington Post|3 hours ago - About US is a new initiative by The Washington Post to cover issues of identity in the United States. While the American memory of the Space Race is most often filtered through black-and-white ...
1922346;1562940954;mp_en_viaje;"I Got a Beer Spa Treatment, and It Was Transcendent Food & Wine|4 days ago When I first received the invite to check out the new beer-infused body treatment at Costa Rica's Tabacon Thermal Resort & Spa,"
1922347;1562940994;mp_en_viaje;spoiler, tabacon is the shittiest venue in the whole fucking country, i spent a total of ten minutes there watching them be us-level moronic. out of the ~four digit~ hours i spent in costa rican venues to date, that item is easily in the botom 10% of the list.
1922348;1562941020;mp_en_viaje;"Mexican women cricketers pushing boundaries... and scoring them" on fucking Al Jazeera ?! why do they lie, it's buzzfeed, it's not al-anything.
1922349;1562941093;mp_en_viaje;and so on in this vein, calling it 0 relevancy would be misleading in suggesting there's some kind of relation even fucking possible. there isn't, the whole thing's self-spun.
1922350;1562941127;mp_en_viaje;the websearch is dead, pure and simple. is there something we can do about it ?
1922351;1562942360;feedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2019/07/12/my-first-hours-on-devto/ << Ossa Sepia -- My First Hours on Dev.to
1922352;1562942409;diana_coman;well, to what extent is there webcontent outside of logs really (which have search, no?)
1922353;1562942424;diana_coman;logs, blogs and archive, sure;
1922354;1562942811;diana_coman;wtf is "transcendent food" ?
1922355;1562942858;BingoBoingo;Adjective abuse. Awesome and Great don't mean anything anymore so they gotta stretch.
1922356;1562942889;diana_coman;ah, the word-rot running out of words, myeah
1922357;1562943481;asciilifeform;[https://archive.is/1QGDK][meanwhile, in heathen rubbish].
1922358;1562943639;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-12#1922350 << it's detectably deader now than was even month ago. in the midst of heathen scutwork, had to extensively dig for eggogs, with google et al, and good 20-30% of the 'hits' are nao openly shannonized linkfarms with domains in the style of rfejgiigetzg.info etc and packed fulla spamola. i.e. full-bore reversion to state of art circa 1997 or so
1922359;1562943639;a111;Logged on 2019-07-12 14:18 mp_en_viaje: the websearch is dead, pure and simple. is there something we can do about it ?
1922360;1562943836;asciilifeform;i dun recall in what specific piece mp_en_viaje made this argument, but i buy it -- 'high quality www search was always illusion'. i.e. even if google et al did not actively fuck the outputs, even so 'pray tell mr babbage, if i feed into the machine a net fulla shit, will quality sites emerge from the search engine'
1922361;1562943926;asciilifeform;'1998 google worked' but strictly because a) noise was moderate and relatively easy to filter b) signal was actually there. 'master magician can pull rabit out of hat, but only if the rabbit is in fact inside the hat' .
1922362;1562968424;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, i recall this discussion back in the [http://trilema.com/2014/google-exploring-the-bottomless-pit-of-irrelevance-since-2004-or-so/][2014 days], you were like "oh, still works for obscure error messages". stopped "working" even for that, huh.
1922363;1562968507;mp_en_viaje;anyway, 1998 google worked because early version of "ai plays go", their pr thing where you iterate the links over a net, thing converges to values.
1922364;1562968516;mp_en_viaje;obviously, works for only as long as nobody knows you're doing it.
1922365;1562968690;asciilifeform;work-ed.
1922366;1562968695;asciilifeform;rip.
1922367;1562968728;mp_en_viaje;aha
1922368;1562980534;feedbot;http://bingology.net/2019/07/13/forward-looking-statement-week-28-2019-the-auctions-thing/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Forward Looking Statement Week 28 2019 - The Auctions Thing
1922369;1563031895;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, http://bingology.net/2019/07/13/forward-looking-statement-week-28-2019-the-auctions-thing/#selection-175.0-175.110 << this "just for x, just for y" approach is not useful. that you may need  x and that Q may have available y is NOT a reason to invent a x.Q and x.nQ subdivision of x. x is to be divided by x criteria not by Q criteria, or else you end up with an unmanageable and ever growing cognitive yar
1922370;1563031895;mp_en_viaje;nball built out of trying to meaningfully resolve the "what's an x-Q" constructed nonsense.
1922371;1563031905;mp_en_viaje;does this make sense to you ?
1922372;1563031959;mp_en_viaje;and it's not about money, either, it's about everything. it's my experience (and for that matter all domain experience i know of, eg i bet diana_coman can readily confirm re "crystal space") that this approach is the principal driver of imperial complexityballs.
1922373;1563032120;mp_en_viaje;if what's happening is that you don't want auctions over 1k because you suspect settlement doesn't work over 1k because you suspect most settlement will be wu and wu won't work over 1k, that's fine, make 9xx auctions or w/e for this reason, either weekly or biweekly as convenient.
1922374;1563032134;mp_en_viaje;but that's a different story, and specificsally because it is a different story it doesn't load your back with bricks.
1922375;1563032245;mp_en_viaje;if you reserve judiciously, such that you genuinely have the reserve you propose, an auction not closing will still result in your getting the fiat via the mechanism you used to calculate the reserve. gets all the cogs going nicely, and interoperating meaningfully.
1922376;1563033117;BingoBoingo;<mp_en_viaje> does this make sense to you ? << Having slept and looking back, it introduced a lot of complexity and anxiety measuring a cut that ought not be made
1922377;1563033330;mp_en_viaje;ikr!
1922378;1563033985;*;asciilifeform emerges from unspeakable pile of garbage, begins to catch up on conveyor
1922379;1563035399;*;BingoBoingo sees the need to continue these exercises.
1922380;1563037573;BingoBoingo;Here's a local WTF I had not known about https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/el-caviar-uruguayo-se-valoriza-y-la-industria-local-se-hace-fuerte-2019712194411
1922381;1563037686;mp_en_viaje;sturgeon in the southern sea ?
1922382;1563037688;BingoBoingo;"En el primer semestre de 2019 se colocaron en el exterior 4 toneladas; el año pasado había sido 1 tonelada. Las exportaciones reportaron divisas por US$ 1,2 millones al cierre del primer tramo del año. Según datos aduaneros, el principal comprador de caviar este año fue Rusia, que pagó US$ 246 por kilo. Un año antes, el valor había sido de US$ 194 por kilo; la mejora de precio fue de 27% en la comparación interanual."
1922383;1563037695;BingoBoingo;Appears to be farmed
1922384;1563037794;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/gM0Nl << A bit of digging and its a farm
1922385;1563038067;BingoBoingo;Farm itself has one of the locally popular JQuery and fotos websites that doesn't work https://archive.is/11vmU
1922386;1563038217;mp_en_viaje;i dunno, maybe it's because i'm new at this whole math thing, but 246 / kg aka 246k / ton in no combination i can think of yields 1.2 millions out of the qtys described.
1922387;1563038394;BingoBoingo;I don't see it in their math either. Adding what they report for the meat gets it closer, but still not quite.
1922388;1563038519;BingoBoingo;And I don't suppose they are getting stud fees from pimping out the cool males
1922389;1563041133;*;BingoBoingo cutting up pdf extracted text for Qntra, but this one...
1922390;1563042174;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/07/finnish-and-japanese-researchers-find-incredible-lack-of-evidence-for-man-made-climate-change/ << Qntra -- Finnish And Japanese Researchers Find Incredible Lack Of Evidence For "Man Made Climate Change"
1922391;1563042302;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-13#1922372 - I can indeed confirm, yes.
1922392;1563042302;a111;Logged on 2019-07-13 15:32 mp_en_viaje: and it's not about money, either, it's about everything. it's my experience (and for that matter all domain experience i know of, eg i bet diana_coman can readily confirm re "crystal space") that this approach is the principal driver of imperial complexityballs.
1922393;1563042404;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2019/07/finnish-and-japanese-researchers-find-incredible-lack-of-evidence-for-man-made-climate-change/#selection-331.0-339.23
1922394;1563042459;mp_en_viaje;keks.
1922395;1563042481;BingoBoingo;"The IPCC climate sensitivity is about one order of magnitude too high, because a strong negative feedback of the clouds is missing in climate models. If we pay attention to the fact that only a small part of the increased CO 2 concentration is anthropogenic, we have to recognize that the anthropogenic climate change does not exist in practice."
1922396;1563042569;*;BingoBoingo could add the charts in, but they don't seem to add anything the text description of the charts doesn't describe in intimate detail.
1922397;1563042790;mp_en_viaje;sokay
1922398;1563051059;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/minsk-nightlife-or-the-orphans-strip-clubs/ << Trilema -- Minsk nightlife, or The orphans' strip clubs
1922399;1563089394;mp_en_viaje;spyked, your blog doesn't do trackbacks does it ?
1922400;1563091953;mp_en_viaje;so since thelastpsychiatrist.com went all fucking stupid (cloudflare aside, and mountain of pointless js aside, there's a spurious 1min delay before any pageload also now!), i scraped the article list both from archive page and category page, and downloaded the list.
1922401;1563091970;mp_en_viaje;"FINISHED --2019-07-14 01:43:12-- Downloaded: 699 files, 95M in 7h 47m 16s (3.48 KB/s)" << turns out he hadn't written THAT much.
1922402;1563093134;spyked;mp_en_viaje, receiving trackbacks doesn't work yet, I have some scripts for sending them that I run once in a while. the plan is to make it a proper blog with comments and trackbacks, after I'm done stealing the cl www stack
1922403;1563093164;mp_en_viaje;sending is one thing ; but getting is the bigger deal in my own experience.
1922404;1563093201;mp_en_viaje;anyway, you got linked from http://trilema.com/2019/continuing-with-the-reflective-history-of-the-republican-forum-still-on-logday-659-year-6-dtr/#selection-1575.0-1579.40 ; feel free to protest
1922405;1563093270;spyked;aite. hm. I guess for now I'ma have to backlink manually by editing the post.
1922406;1563093378;spyked;re tlp: at some point /me found a torrent of the tlp archive, only to discover it was a microshit word document. it wasn't really salvageable, so I threw it out the window.
1922407;1563093665;spyked;and in other short updates, I'm just back from a trip to [http://trilema.com/2014/maramu/][maramures]. I now have cca 10G of photos to sift through and some documenting/ranting work to do, gotta add it to the list.
1922408;1563094890;mp_en_viaje;no point in backlinging / editing the post.
1922409;1563094910;mp_en_viaje;the point is this : if someone says something, and then links you, odds are he's saying something like "this guy also confirms".
1922410;1563094945;mp_en_viaje;trackbacks offer you some measure of control over this "being drafted to vouch for others' idiocy" process ; because you can go check ; and if need be say "motherfucker, that's not what i'm saying at fucking all"
1922411;1563094998;mp_en_viaje;trackbacks also offer another important function : if we believe that human intelligence principally manifests in the creation of tools ; and if we believe human expression is not orthogonal to intelligence, then we thereby also believe our expression is in part tool.
1922412;1563095069;mp_en_viaje;the one most fascinating property of tools is their being the one bridge available between reals and ideals : theyr'e real objects with an ideal component! therefore, we theoretically predict the sluttery immanent to reality permits perversion, and phenomenology confirms : tools can in fact be used for purposes other than they were intended to!
1922413;1563095090;mp_en_viaje;don't you wanna see what crazy batshit unexpected but perhaps kinda cool use some other maniac put your own tools to ?
1922414;1563095771;mp_en_viaje;re tlp, also got the images ("Downloaded: 953 files, 30M in 7.0s (4.35 MB/s)"), and that's ~all im gonna get. dunno what to do with the material yet, maybe i start a tlp site review project.
1922415;1563095779;mp_en_viaje;i guess that's prolly the best way to go.
1922416;1563096056;mp_en_viaje;http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/tlpimages/images/ << complete tlp article image list (temporary, ima take this down once i'm done, i intend to use better-same illustrations for his articles, what the fuck is [http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/tlpimages/images/'Abraham_Leading_Isaac_to_Sacrifice',_oil_on_copper_painting_by_Domenichino.JPG][this sad stamp])
1922417;1563096123;mp_en_viaje;the shitheads he links, too. [http://archive.is/p5MrA][anything as long as collectivism] pure pantsuit retardation, holy hell.
1922418;1563097055;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, in potential lulz fodder : http://archive.is/BNT9w#selection-7155.0-7159.371 (true) http://archive.is/BNT9w#selection-4826.1-4841.97 (also true), with the destructuring of the dnc lotta lulz seeping out of the corpse of us democrat party like puss from wet gangrene.
1922419;1563098888;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-14#1922408 <-- I was thinking about it along the lines of "I'ma emulate the trackback by manually editing the post". but I can see your point; I'll need to at least change the post structure of my blogotron so that comments and trackbacks go below, as a continuation of what was said inside the post itself.
1922420;1563098888;a111;Logged on 2019-07-14 09:01 mp_en_viaje: no point in backlinging / editing the post.
1922421;1563098924;mp_en_viaje;gotta fix the brokedness that is the original html scheme
1922422;1563098940;mp_en_viaje;unidirectional links make about as much sense as tv broadcasts ever can.
1922423;1563098994;*;mp_en_viaje for sure has had as much as can possibly stomach of any conceivable tvworld.
1922424;1563112854;diana_coman;this dev.to expedition is best taken in small doses
1922425;1563114102;mp_en_viaje;heh
1922426;1563116361;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/christos-ballas-tlp-thelastpsychiatristcom-archive/ << Trilema -- Christos Ballas ("TLP", thel...com) archive
1922427;1563116519;diana_coman;well, just had the "millisecond-checkout" behaviour in #ossasepia too; what exactly are they afraid of anyway?
1922428;1563116751;mp_en_viaje;meanwhile in wtf lulz, "Windows servers have a maximum of two RDP sessions and one console session available, unless the server has been licensed for use as a terminal server. Leaving two disconnected RDP sessions on the server effectively blocks anyone else from connecting to the server via RDP."
1922429;1563116768;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, what is that ?
1922430;1563117025;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: some guy joining the channel and leaving the same second
1922431;1563117055;mp_en_viaje;a
1922432;1563117080;diana_coman;there is at least one from dev.to that made it to comment on my blog at least so possibly dipped his toe a bit further but at each step it's like "oh, this is interesting" "so come and talk" "..."
1922433;1563117138;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: re rdp -- this is not only troo but is how microshit sells their winblowz 'server', 'have >2 !'
1922434;1563117164;diana_coman;in other annoying stuff: apparently the mysql ebuild I forced into use on smg test server meanwhile vanished from gentoo repos to the extent that my shiny new cuntoo just can't find it??
1922435;1563117188;diana_coman;so now I suppose I'll have to grab the ebuild from smg test and use that, wtf
1922436;1563117203;asciilifeform;diana_coman: lemme know if you need specific tarball, i might have it
1922437;1563117257;diana_coman;well, I just checked and I still have that ebuild on smg test so I'll do the dance with that; I suppose I might just as well sign it afterwards and that's that
1922438;1563117318;diana_coman;the sort of "this is the frozen thing I'm using for lack of anything better" sig rather than "this thing I read and know inside out" sig
1922439;1563117350;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, fucking insane.
1922440;1563117400;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: for folx innocent of microshit 'ecosystem', there are 9000 such 'surprises', no barf bucket, no matter how deep, will ever suffice
1922441;1563117443;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, in other lulz, nicole dredged up local blondy ex-mech engineer turned java developer (sorry mocky, chick never heard of you). she intends to start her out outsourcing comp (because hates working with idiots ; yet if challenged "what you gonna do when rich ?" she wants to come up with some garbage sorting solution, because idiots do ~nothing but produce garbage and she doesn't understand the beheadingof
1922442;1563117444;mp_en_viaje;the idiots is the way to go) and then make a product corp that makes its own product!!!
1922443;1563117475;mp_en_viaje;girl's smart enough, but too scrawny for my interest, and so... on the tailings pile she goes...
1922444;1563117626;diana_coman;sounds quite close to the "making my own outsourcing comp" type I knew in Bucharest too: not keen as much on getting rid of garbage, as maybe riding it to "money"
1922445;1563117649;mp_en_viaje;female
1922446;1563117654;mp_en_viaje;styles are more collaborative"
1922447;1563117666;mp_en_viaje;anna ain't tryna rape anybody.
1922448;1563117933;diana_coman;I don't know; the guys were also not keen on getting rid of garbage as maybe getting a bigger pile of garbage for themselves.
1922449;1563122125;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-1-in-5-cars-has-a-personality-disorder-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - 1 In 5 Cars Has A Personality Disorder. Adnotated.
1922450;1563122569;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-14#1922418 << ty, there sure seems to be a substantial amount of weeping lulz coming out of the cracks there
1922451;1563122569;a111;Logged on 2019-07-14 09:37 mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, in potential lulz fodder : http://archive.is/BNT9w#selection-7155.0-7159.371 (true) http://archive.is/BNT9w#selection-4826.1-4841.97 (also true), with the destructuring of the dnc lotta lulz seeping out of the corpse of us democrat party like puss from wet gangrene.
1922452;1563122796;BingoBoingo;In hereto undocumented local lulz, today is the local version of father's day. This means during my walking around town starting yesterday afternoon the local dumb asks changed from "una moneda para comer algo" to "por favor, puedes traerme algo de carne por mis hijos. Tengo X hijos y quiero darles algo""
1922453;1563123662;mp_en_viaje;"algo de carne" also can stand for penis, neh ?
1922454;1563123686;mp_en_viaje;try a "para su hijos no, pero por las hijas puede ser"
1922455;1563124040;BingoBoingo;lol
1922456;1563124236;BingoBoingo;The working bum that doesn't even sleep on the street anymore ended up getting a chunk of "Colita de Cuadril" to show the kids he's less of a loser than he was last year.
1922457;1563124709;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-3-important-things-about-the-new-wikileaks-controversy-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - 3 Important Things About The New Wikileaks Controversy. Adnotated.
1922458;1563128673;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-3-media-narratives-about-the-middle-east-you-should-defend-against-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - 3 Media Narratives About The Middle East You Should Defend Against. Adnotated.
1922459;1563132637;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-4-easy-steps-towards-weight-loss-that-arent-drugs-diets-or-excersise-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - 4 Easy Steps Towards Weight Loss That Aren't Drugs, Diets, Or Excersise. Adnotated.
1922460;1563139542;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-4-unintended-consequences-of-seroquels-adjunct-to-antidepressants-indication-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - 4 Unintended Consequences of Seroquel's Adjunct to Antidepressants Indication. Adnotated.
1922461;1563142186;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/07/empire-today-s-400-deliveries-bitcoin-and-more-pantuit-darkmoney-sex-a-week-in-review/ << Qntra -- Empire Today: S-400 Deliveries, Bitcoin, And More Pantuit Darkmoney Sex  A Week In Review
1922462;1563142489;feedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2019/07/14/a-working-cuntoo-install-on-amd-fx-8350-with-script/ << Ossa Sepia -- A Working Cuntoo Install on AMD FX-8350 (with script)
1922463;1563143144;trinque;diana_coman: congrats. the next step would be to produce a vpatch which adds your curl ebuild atop the genesis.vpatch the bootstrapper produced.
1922464;1563143185;trinque;I'm sure it does feel like a bit of gruntwork, and yet, later you will always have that curl, and it will always build.
1922465;1563145432;feedbot;http://pizarroisp.net/2019/07/14/pizarro-isp-june-14th-update/ << PizarroISP -- Pizarro ISP June 14th Update
1922466;1563176223;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/bitcoin-recapitulation/ << Trilema -- Bitcoin Recapitulation
1922467;1563179385;mp_en_viaje;soo... there's a picture somewhere on trilema obliquely included. it  depicts a standing older naked "black" female, in front of a derelict suburban home, with some other debris about, maybe a dead bbq set. white walls, a sad lawn. evidently google van captured footage.
1922468;1563179388;mp_en_viaje;anyone got a title ?
1922469;1563183849;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-50-of-american-kids-receive-food-stamps-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - 50% of American Kids Receive Food Stamps. Adnotated.
1922470;1563185101;diana_coman;trinque: from what I see though the genesis.vpatch is a snapshot of /cuntoo/portage dir *only* which means that the actual tarballs with the code are not included anyway - so basically it will still fail to find them as soon as whatever URI in the ebuild doesn't host them anymore, what am I missing?
1922471;1563185242;diana_coman;to me it seems that there should be a tmsr repo with the tarballs (aka contents of /cuntoo/distfiles) but then all the ebuilds in genesis need updated too
1922472;1563185285;diana_coman;see above my trouble with mysql - it's not as much the "ebuild" that is missing but rather the whole darned tarball from all the URIs that the ebuild knows about
1922473;1563185432;mp_en_viaje;imo there should be no repo other than the genesis itself.
1922474;1563185436;mp_en_viaje;include the damned things.
1922475;1563185674;diana_coman;that was my initial expectation really but I suppose it's sheer size or something - the genesis is 4.6M as it is (ebuilds only)
1922476;1563185898;diana_coman;come to think about it, there is some weirdness there: the source tarballs are relegated to this "distfiles" dir but at the same time, patches to apply to those are considered part of the ebuild; what's the logic there - patches are code-er than the rest or what
1922477;1563186221;mp_en_viaje;size still can't be an argument here. if it's too big, it'll be too big to be used at all, not too big to be genesised.
1922478;1563186600;diana_coman;true; I'll wait for trinque to comment since it's his genesis
1922479;1563187153;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-51m-vioxx-verdict-overturned-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - $51M Vioxx Verdict Overturned. Adnotated.
1922480;1563193097;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-5-signs-your-child-is-a-psychopath-according-to-the-nyt-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - 5 Signs Your Child Is a Psychopath, According To The NYT. Adnotated.
1922481;1563195667;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: apol. for the comment spam, i misplaced a decimal point.
1922482;1563206099;diana_coman;so uhm, who do I need to ask to actually get #ossasepia logged?
1922483;1563206148;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-11#1922318 - this doesn't seem to work so I don't know who else - phf, trinque ?
1922484;1563206148;a111;Logged on 2019-07-11 14:19 diana_coman: ben_vulpes can I have #ossasepia logged too please?
1922485;1563206207;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i suspect ben is at sea or in orbit or somewhere, it took ~week iirc when i asked him to get #a logged also
1922486;1563206285;diana_coman;it sucks; because I suspect the most common questions will be the same and I'd very much prefer to point them to the log
1922487;1563206330;*;asciilifeform still recovering from 6+wk saecular crapola shitfest, setting to get conveyor moving, publish plans, etc. it's rather like waking up from coma.
1922488;1563206369;diana_coman;well, I'm "enjoying" tonsillitis, if that's any help
1922489;1563217541;BingoBoingo;In pseudo local news, ebola is creeping up on the Uruguayo Army's base in Africa https://www.montevideo.com.uy/Noticias/Un-caso-de-ebola-en-Goma--Ejercito-Uruguayo-tiene-tomadas-todas-las-medidas--uc724259
1922490;1563219840;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, you getting them out /
1922491;1563221542;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: lolz; if I didn't get them out at 9, no chance now; neah, they are my sleep-deprivation indicator simply, lol
1922492;1563221794;mp_en_viaje;lol
1922493;1563221934;diana_coman;in unintentionally funny: http://ossasepia.com/2019/07/12/my-first-hours-on-devto/comment-page-1/#comment-6132
1922494;1563230732;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/07/ibm-begins-lobbying-campaign-against-section-230/ << Qntra -- IBM Begins Lobbying Campaign Against "Section 230"
1922495;1563273647;mp_en_viaje;!!up girlattorney
1922496;1563273648;deedbot;girlattorney voiced for 30 minutes.
1922497;1563273850;girlattorney;hi, thanks for voice, i'm here to ask about trb. Installed it on my PC, and after 28 days almost synced. Then it happens the following: when TRB is almost at the current height (as now, 585,647), it stays back a few blocks, like now that is at 585640, and just cannot catch the latests blocks
1922498;1563273950;mp_en_viaje;girlattorney, which trb / how did you install it ?
1922499;1563273972;girlattorney;latest trb (currently available on thebitcoin.foundation) installed on debian 8
1922500;1563274018;mp_en_viaje;you mean, did you press http://btcbase.org/patches to say http://btcbase.org/patches/asciilifeform_aggressive_pushgetblocks ?
1922501;1563274034;girlattorney;yes i've got that patch
1922502;1563274046;mp_en_viaje;(which would be the "latest" trb, though obviously v-trees are a little different from traditional notions of latestness)
1922503;1563274063;mp_en_viaje;girlattorney, are you on a consumer link, behind a nat router etc ? or is this a dc box ?
1922504;1563274087;girlattorney;nat router + ssh tunnel to VPS to have fixed IP
1922505;1563274118;girlattorney;i don't get why just the latest blocks are soooo slow to fetch
1922506;1563274127;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/%d0%a3%d1%81%d1%85%d0%be%d0%b4%d0%bd%d1%96%d1%8f-%d0%bc%d0%be%d0%b3%d1%96%d0%bb%d0%ba%d1%96-%d0%9c%d0%b0%d1%81%d0%ba%d0%be%d1%9e%d1%81%d0%ba%d1%96-%d0%9c%d1%96%d0%bd%d1%81%d0%ba-aka-the-eastern-cem/ << Trilema -- (, ) aka The Eastern Cemetery (Maskowskaya, Minsk)
1922507;1563274188;mp_en_viaje;hm.
1922508;1563274217;mp_en_viaje;this is actually not what should be happening ; if you stick around there'll prolly be a barage of questions as asciilifeform trinque mod6 & all wake up.
1922509;1563275294;girlattorney;ok, going to register my key
1922510;1563275339;girlattorney;btw i noticed that trb only connects and fetch blocks from other trbs, so i don't get what happens with the other core nodes
1922511;1563275744;mp_en_viaje;admitting they exist in the first place.
1922512;1563275779;mp_en_viaje;!!up girlattorney
1922513;1563275780;deedbot;girlattorney voiced for 30 minutes.
1922514;1563275817;mp_en_viaje;you'll need a rating from someone deedbot knows to be able to voice yourself ; it's inconvenient for me to give you one cuz im travelling ; but patience, i suspect someone else might in short order.
1922515;1563275908;girlattorney;ok i'm gonna wait. I'm just interested in what happens with TRB nodes: with a public site that list public nodes (with 8333 port exposed, site is bitnodes dot something), i checked and it says that there are 8 TRB nodes.
1922516;1563275928;girlattorney;so if only these nodes are interacting with themselves, where they fetch the blocks from?
1922517;1563275986;mp_en_viaje;girlattorney, your notion of identity is not adequate for the situation you're dealing with.
1922518;1563276030;mp_en_viaje;what do you call "a node" ? is it an ip-port combo ? you can trivially set up your own box to be two nodes in this sense ; i have boxes with a whole block c allocated, how would you know what's going on /
1922519;1563276066;mp_en_viaje;consider it from the other pov : if tomorrow the aliens land, do yo uthen say "the aliens are... well... three guys" ? just because three guys are all the aliens can be bothered t oshow you does not mean "that's all there is"
1922520;1563276148;mp_en_viaje;the bitnode notion of a node is about the same as the electoral notion of a "voter" : meaningful for just as long nobody gives a shit. then it's all "m00t won time's man of the year".
1922521;1563276241;girlattorney;well, for me a node is ip + port combo that gives me blocks and eventually transactions
1922522;1563276329;mp_en_viaje;well, for you there's then no answer to the "how do trb nodes get blocks" question you had.
1922523;1563276462;girlattorney;if it's just an ip + port it can be a "fake" node. What interest me is the fact that TRB seems to ignore the nodes with a user agent different than "therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88". I even tried to just have a "addnode=*corenode" and in some odd way it finds a way to communicate only with the TRB nodes
1922524;1563276597;mp_en_viaje;the problem is deeper than just the user agent ; fake bitcoin nodes send out all sorts of spam and otherwise misbehave. it's not possible to meaningfully communicate with one automatically, it requires skilled human hands.
1922525;1563276641;mp_en_viaje;there's years of discussion about this scattered through the logs ; have you found the logs yet ?
1922526;1563276717;girlattorney;tried to read them, but I haven't found a significant keyword to search with this specific topic.
1922527;1563276807;girlattorney;btw i'm very grateful that still exist a client without segwit and without other useless crap. so glad to be able to almost sync it
1922528;1563277276;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22ban%22+%22prb%22 << for instance.
1922529;1563277575;mp_en_viaje;(prb is the name given to the one remaining group of scammers masquerading as bitcoin developers, in memory of their "[http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/in-re-bitcoin-devs-are-idiots.htm][power rangers]" heritage. numerous others have meanwhile discontinued, too many to merit enumeration.)
1922530;1563277586;mp_en_viaje;!!up girlattorney
1922531;1563277587;deedbot;girlattorney voiced for 30 minutes.
1922532;1563277749;mp_en_viaje;(the whole "power rangers" thing started with [http://trilema.com/2014/the-sins-of-the-group-of-posers-behind-the-so-called-bitcoin-foundation/#selection-77.0-77.475][an event in 2013], when some usg agents masquerading as bitcoin developers (mike hearn, etc) wilfully introduced a bug which split the network while the other morons (wuile, maxwell, etc) failed to notice. the thing had to be undone through miner collu
1922533;1563277750;mp_en_viaje;sion, demonstrating what the usg thought at the time a viable avenue of attack, that i had to spend an inordinate amt of slave time and assorted resources to bolt shut for them, and so following.)
1922534;1563277809;girlattorney;thanks for the insight, i'm reading the log
1922535;1563277988;mp_en_viaje;and in other lines, what's a girl attorney's life like ?
1922536;1563278191;girlattorney;a very rich life i suppose (not my job, I have to deal with my ex's one)
1922537;1563278218;mp_en_viaje;that didn't parse
1922538;1563278488;mp_en_viaje;in other sads, i'm reading internet "[https://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/05/08/venus-envy/][science]" : "If there were no Sun (or other external energy source) atmospheric temperature would approach absolute zero. As a result there would be almost no atmospheric pressure on any planet -> PV = nRT."
1922539;1563278566;mp_en_viaje;holy hell what, wtf "crusoe social philosophy" is that supposed to be! even with no sun, the gas would still be trapped by gravity, thus there'd still be a pressure, thus there'd still be a temperature, wtf "absolute zero". atmospheric pressure is trivially given by the ~height~ of air column, not by the fucking temperature holy hell these people.
1922540;1563278856;girlattorney;if it could interest, from 0 to block 584k, TRB has written to disk almost 8 TB
1922541;1563279084;mp_en_viaje;there's probably some room for optimization wrt disk usage ; but that's rather wating for the more comprehensive trb-fs thing
1922542;1563279160;girlattorney;and last thing that i found a little annoying: no exportprivkey in any form, just dealing with wallet.dat to import/export private keys
1922543;1563279241;mp_en_viaje;yeah, wallet actually needs some work.
1922544;1563279244;mp_en_viaje;wanna write a patch ?
1922545;1563279302;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-16#1922497 << 'stays back' as in always 3-4 behind what someone else's (who's?) node height ? or perma-wedged at height h ?
1922546;1563279302;a111;Logged on 2019-07-16 10:44 girlattorney: hi, thanks for voice, i'm here to ask about trb. Installed it on my PC, and after 28 days almost synced. Then it happens the following: when TRB is almost at the current height (as now, 585,647), it stays back a few blocks, like now that is at 585640, and just cannot catch the latests blocks
1922547;1563279347;girlattorney;I have little coding skills, but definitely is something that i'm willing to do when i learn to write in C
1922548;1563279386;asciilifeform;( if it's the former, this is not in any sense a problem, you can still operate )
1922549;1563279397;asciilifeform;!!up girlattorney
1922550;1563279398;deedbot;girlattorney voiced for 30 minutes.
1922551;1563279406;asciilifeform;!!rate girlattorney 1 trb n00b / new blood
1922552;1563279409;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/oJWNs/?raw=true
1922553;1563279433;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, i expect she's just comparing to blockchain.info or w/e other webwallet
1922554;1563279436;asciilifeform;!!v 4147FF6CA25D12780FEF4747850614B76EEE0A94CE19F61A29BF9287B867028C
1922555;1563279436;deedbot;asciilifeform rated girlattorney 1 << trb n00b / new blood
1922556;1563279460;girlattorney;asciilifeform so: currently from this site https://bitnodes.earn.com/nodes/?q=therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99 i see that the height is 585654. My node is at 585641
1922557;1563279471;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i also expect. and this is 'teachable moment' :
1922558;1563279473;mp_en_viaje;girlattorney, ok, so no c, but what skills do you have ?
1922559;1563279474;girlattorney;i can use other source if there is another site more realiable
1922560;1563279495;mp_en_viaje;top of chain is i ndeed 654.
1922561;1563279544;asciilifeform;girlattorney: the various 'blockchain walker' sites do tend to be connected to many nodes at a time, on industrial pipe, so naturally will tend to get new blox slightly faster than human, in a residential pipe
1922562;1563279579;girlattorney;mp_en_viaje i know a little bash, i used to compile bitcoin core until knowing TRB and my project would be to compile TRB for an arm board, to eat less energy than my PC (the ARM board would be an hardkernel Odroid hc1)
1922563;1563279607;asciilifeform;girlattorney: good news, long ago i fixed it so builds 100% clean on arm (32 and 64bit both)
1922564;1563279642;asciilifeform;girlattorney: you'll need a board with at least 2GB tho
1922565;1563279664;girlattorney;asciilifeform thanks, i'm going to search on logs if you haven't a direct link. The hc1 is 2gb indeed
1922566;1563279682;asciilifeform;girlattorney: mod6's current snapshot will build and run.
1922567;1563279701;asciilifeform;(i.e. what you have.)
1922568;1563279706;girlattorney;it's an arm board with a sata slot, so i can attach a 1TB ssd and let TRB running for a couple of years
1922569;1563279718;asciilifeform;which board btw ?
1922570;1563279724;girlattorney;odroid hc1
1922571;1563279739;girlattorney;https://www.hardkernel.com/shop/odroid-hc1-home-cloud-one/
1922572;1563279751;asciilifeform;decent, reportedly similar to [http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=rk][rk]
1922573;1563279787;asciilifeform;hey look at that, mp_en_viaje , finally 'pogo' with 2GB
1922574;1563279806;girlattorney;i saw the rockchip, it was more expensive and i found these HC1s (a couple) used from a local guy that sold them to me at a price
1922575;1563279874;mp_en_viaje;girlattorney, you can just use eatblock, have it synced from known-good chain in a day or so
1922576;1563279886;asciilifeform;looks like potential replacement for the current rk , even.
1922577;1563279889;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo ^
1922578;1563279920;mp_en_viaje;girlattorney, ok, bash. but... do you have your own practice ? or work for a firm ?
1922579;1563279972;girlattorney;@mp_en_viaje nothing public, after reading trilema and some logs I wanted to open a blog to report my stuff, but haven't got yet my ip space
1922580;1563280024;mp_en_viaje;i c
1922581;1563280032;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-16#1922523 << trb doesn't ignore, the (prb-powered) 'blockchain sites' ignore.
1922582;1563280032;a111;Logged on 2019-07-16 11:27 girlattorney: if it's just an ip + port it can be a "fake" node. What interest me is the fact that TRB seems to ignore the nodes with a user agent different than "therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88". I even tried to just have a "addnode=*corenode" and in some odd way it finds a way to communicate only with the TRB nodes
1922583;1563280063;asciilifeform;it does disconnect peers who spew garbage, though, and that's ~90% of the supposed nodes on the net
1922584;1563280156;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-16#1922540 << this is pretty odd, current chain weighs ~280G
1922585;1563280156;a111;Logged on 2019-07-16 12:07 girlattorney: if it could interest, from 0 to block 584k, TRB has written to disk almost 8 TB
1922586;1563280180;girlattorney;asciilifeform that's something interesting: once (not now, a couple of days ago) i was able to get to the general height, thanks to a couple of restart that allowed me to get those last blocks (it seems that when TRB starts, always download instantly 10-15 blocks). Basically when it was at the network height (synced) it was also connecting to core
1922587;1563280181;girlattorney;nodes (prb) and other nodes that first were banned from
1922588;1563280204;asciilifeform;if you were looking at linux disk stats, you may have box with swappism enabled. (or do you actually have a 8TB drive, that trb somehow filled ?!)
1922589;1563280233;girlattorney;asciilifeform i know, indeed is 280 GB, i was saying that the total write process from 0 to 584k is 8TB, i expressed myself badly
1922590;1563280264;asciilifeform;girlattorney: trb (for time being) retains the classical 'ask peers for new peers' mechanism, so unless you hand-curate the peers (most trb folx do) you will inevitably connect to garbage nodes at the statistically expected rate
1922591;1563280290;asciilifeform;girlattorney: seems that your box has swapping then
1922592;1563280295;girlattorney;if i do a df -h on my box i have also 270-280GB occupied, not 8TB
1922593;1563280339;asciilifeform;disable swap; i have found that on 2GB+ boxen trb , despite heavy mem fragging, will not overrun 2GB
1922594;1563280355;mp_en_viaje;^
1922595;1563280356;asciilifeform;( swapism -- nukes ssd quite quickly )
1922596;1563280367;mp_en_viaje;trb does not need (and does not much benefit) from swapping.
1922597;1563280375;asciilifeform;actively un-benefits.
1922598;1563280381;mp_en_viaje;aha.
1922599;1563280407;mp_en_viaje;iirc she was on a vps tho. os not exposed to her.
1922600;1563280430;girlattorney;well, i've used a 1TB consumer SSD to sync, rated for 200 TB written before die
1922601;1563280446;asciilifeform;aa hrm i misread (still waking up), assumed she's on that luscious arm box.
1922602;1563280467;girlattorney;so i just used 2-3% life of the ssd, not a big issue (i'll only sync once hopefully)
1922603;1563280536;asciilifeform;girlattorney: in my flagship trb box, i found that 1T samsung ('standard', rather than 'pro', not yet tested 'pro' series) ssd runs for just short of 2yrs prior to write cycle exhaustion
1922604;1563280575;girlattorney;then it remains read only or also smash the content already written inside?
1922605;1563280584;asciilifeform;larger unit (formatted to e.g. half capacity) will live longer, in principle, as more blocks between which controller can spread write cycles
1922606;1563280621;asciilifeform;girlattorney: 'samsung' will typically go read-only; cheaper/chinesiums will usually turn into 100% brick , when exhausted
1922607;1563280639;girlattorney;@asc
1922608;1563280657;asciilifeform;( in either event, you will no longer have bootable linux box, if you want the contents will have to plug it into another )
1922609;1563280658;girlattorney;@asciilifeform thanks for the info, i'll make my backup on tape before that event
1922610;1563280680;asciilifeform;girlattorney: trb is its own backup, think about it
1922611;1563280694;asciilifeform;plug in another node, it is automatic real-time backup of the other..
1922612;1563280714;girlattorney;it really sucks after 28 days of sync starting from zero, knowing that a lot of nodes are hostile and nowadays nobody ain't giving away bandwith
1922613;1563280783;asciilifeform;girlattorney: what usg did to bitcoin net, in p2p theoretical parlance is known as 'sibyl attack'
1922614;1563280800;asciilifeform;i.e. fleet of garbage nodes, set up on the cheap
1922615;1563280814;girlattorney;in a near future i think that it could have sense to have a TRB marketplace, where you can buy your ready-to-deploy box
1922616;1563280836;asciilifeform;as you can tell, however, bitcoin still functions; simply it requires genuine node operators to do a little bit of hand curation of peer selection
1922617;1563280885;girlattorney;even if you are in NY and the boxes ships from sydney, with DHL the pre-synced box would appear well before a standard sync
1922618;1563280929;asciilifeform;girlattorney: i attempted to bake exactly such in '14 , but the iron wasn't there yet ( we got a large supply of certain arm box, but only 256MB of physical mem, and only ~then~ found that without a total rewrite, trb cannot be sat down in 256M or even 1G )
1922619;1563280957;asciilifeform;!#s pogo
1922620;1563280958;a111;1185 results for "pogo", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=pogo
1922621;1563280959;asciilifeform;^ see also
1922622;1563280981;girlattorney;asciilifeform in 14 i suppose that the blockchain was in the order of 10 GBs, very easy to move even with crappy WAN pipes
1922623;1563280989;girlattorney;now it's a real pain
1922624;1563281002;asciilifeform;naa was already 100+
1922625;1563281028;asciilifeform;iirc mp_en_viaje actually has a circa-2014 snapshot hosted somewhere
1922626;1563281138;girlattorney;now we are sitting on 270GB mostly well splitted in educated 2gb blk00*, but then there is a thick load of 50gb named blkindex that fucks up everything, cause file hosting generally doesn't like these weights
1922627;1563281156;mp_en_viaje;girlattorney, the problem with your idea is that you can't really buy an identity.
1922628;1563281162;asciilifeform;girlattorney: in my experience, trb (with my 'aggression' patch) syncs from 0 in roughly 3wks, on a decent (fiber) pipe. however, last did this yr+ ago, and unsurprisingly the interval will only ever increase, as the chain gets heavier (on avg., grows 1000000 bytes erry 10min, recall)
1922629;1563281173;mp_en_viaje;either you are skilled, or you aren't. if you aren't, buying the glasses i wore or the bed i fucked in won't do much for you.
1922630;1563281206;asciilifeform;!!up girlattorney
1922631;1563281207;deedbot;girlattorney voiced for 30 minutes.
1922632;1563281216;asciilifeform;girlattorney: you should be able to self-voice now, btw, after i rated
1922633;1563281227;asciilifeform;girlattorney: trb on public toilet 'vps' hosting is generally a nonstarter
1922634;1563281286;girlattorney;you can split it, etc.... but nothing beats having your box ready to be attached to ethernet and sync 100-200 blocks
1922635;1563281316;girlattorney;mp_en_viaje ok, so i declare myself skilled!
1922636;1563281332;mp_en_viaje;lol so then get yourself a proper box, and have fun.
1922637;1563281338;asciilifeform;that's the gold standard, yes, physical box, w/ ssd, running strictly trb, and on serious (preferably industrial, but top-of-class residential fiber also worx) pipe
1922638;1563281378;girlattorney;i have a physical box, never said i was hosting. Just saying that if you want to move across the internet a synced node, today is a pain
1922639;1563281382;*;mp_en_viaje is satisfied that the "i'm 0 to a dozen or so blocks behind at all times, varying" is mostly due to scheduling issues related to the visor management of the vps and its resources.
1922640;1563281399;mp_en_viaje;girlattorney, so wait, is this delayed trb running on a vps or on its own colocated box ?
1922641;1563281409;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: slow pipe will do it, and likewise slow disk
1922642;1563281421;girlattorney;own colocated box
1922643;1563281432;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, and likewise slow netstack unwind and all sorta things.
1922644;1563281438;mp_en_viaje;girlattorney, hmm, that is pretty weird then.
1922645;1563281444;asciilifeform;~95% of cpu cycles (as measured by asciilifeform in '16) of trb, is spend waiting for disk.
1922646;1563281455;asciilifeform;*spent
1922647;1563281524;asciilifeform;recall also that even during 'cold start sync', node is still attempting to operate as a node. it will be bombarded with tx from the peers, and (unsurprisingly) will walk the db and typically not find the referenced block , at given time (cuz it doesn't have it yet)
1922648;1563281539;asciilifeform;this adds up to quite heavy load.
1922649;1563281567;asciilifeform;trb, unlike prb, does not accept blocks 'on credit' (i.e. ones for whom the antecedent block is not yet on the disk)
1922650;1563281581;asciilifeform;and ditto tx for whom the referenced output is not yet in any received block
1922651;1563281609;asciilifeform;this means that it rejects almost all inputs during initial couple of weeks of operation.
1922652;1563281609;girlattorney;asciilifeform and for this reason i think that in a couple of years it won't have sense anymore doing a cold start
1922653;1563281612;asciilifeform;rejects -- expensively.
1922654;1563281628;girlattorney;instead the newcomer will need to buy a premade box
1922655;1563281635;girlattorney;that's my forecast
1922656;1563281648;asciilifeform;girlattorney: it is already rare for trb people to do 'cold start', usually they 'light smoke' from existing
1922657;1563281669;asciilifeform;but 'cold start' is important test of 'network health'
1922658;1563281678;mp_en_viaje;her idea's not without some merit, one could just buy the datafiles.
1922659;1563281686;mp_en_viaje;test it on their own software.
1922660;1563281715;mp_en_viaje;~this could even be s.nsa product~ you know. "we ship you either 1tb ssd or 2tb ssd formatted for 1tb with the current blockchain"
1922661;1563281734;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i actually suggested this, in '17
1922662;1563281741;asciilifeform;!#s cement trb
1922663;1563281742;a111;4 results for "cement trb", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=cement%20trb
1922664;1563281743;mp_en_viaje;i recall. but now there's actual demand, lol.
1922665;1563281746;mp_en_viaje;you wanna do it ?
1922666;1563281747;asciilifeform;hrm. it's in log.
1922667;1563281769;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: defo, all of the moving parts already in place for it. ( and apparently nao there is a $49 pogo-cum-2GB ? )
1922668;1563281780;mp_en_viaje;girlattorney, you wanna buy it ?
1922669;1563281790;girlattorney;i also plan to sell them, because i have some people that i know irl that want their node but they do not want to wait 20 or 30 days
1922670;1563281798;girlattorney;of course there is some trust in the middle
1922671;1563281798;mp_en_viaje;a, i guess no treally, if she's already up to 580k
1922672;1563281836;mp_en_viaje;girlattorney, so sell his, get 2 bitcents or w/e for your trouble
1922673;1563281845;mp_en_viaje;actually, i guess nothing like 2 bitcents, it ain
1922674;1563281867;mp_en_viaje;actually, i guess nothing like 2 bitcents, it ain't [http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/][2014] anymore.
1922675;1563281874;asciilifeform;girlattorney, mp_en_viaje : the fundamental problem is that bitcoin per se is, arguably, an exercise in 'can avoid getting all blocks from 1 trusted peer ?'
1922676;1563281880;mp_en_viaje;yes.
1922677;1563281900;asciilifeform;if answer is 'no', then net is seriously ill. if 'yes can avoid', then why buy canned db.
1922678;1563281908;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, you know what ? the right way to go about this would be to offer pizarro customers pre-populated disks on demand.
1922679;1563281915;girlattorney;200 USD? that's the cost of the bare hw, (arm + ssd). At least 400 USD
1922680;1563281931;mp_en_viaje;girlattorney, i was discussing your cut if you sell his.
1922681;1563281950;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: this is easy to do, only rub is that there are already 3 ( 4? ) trb nodes at piz, all on 1 ip block, and sharing a quite modest pipe.
1922682;1563281980;asciilifeform;trb btw still retains the ancient mechanism where 'try to avoid connecting to >1 peer on same 24block'
1922683;1563281983;mp_en_viaje;yes, but still, dc delivery better than mail delivery.
1922684;1563281988;asciilifeform;indeed
1922685;1563281991;mp_en_viaje;let the buyer do what he will with the chain, is the diea
1922686;1563282014;asciilifeform;it's a notbad idea. BingoBoingo i think you already have the parts.
1922687;1563282017;mp_en_viaje;i think you should put this in your offer / sales materials. proeminently.
1922688;1563282050;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo ^
1922689;1563282200;girlattorney;mp_en_viaje in my case i'm talking about 50-60 years people that want to be part of BTC without messing technically. Like, i go to their premises, attach the ethernet cable and explain how to send/receive/backup and then flee
1922690;1563282426;asciilifeform;girlattorney: trb is more like kalashnikov than television set. i.e. can be made 'user friendly' only to a point.
1922691;1563282431;mp_en_viaje;girlattorney, "being part of btc without messing technically" is like having sex without getting naked.
1922692;1563282450;mp_en_viaje;i don't care what those people "want", or think they do -- they can't be part of btc because i say so.
1922693;1563282482;asciilifeform;even if mp_en_viaje hadn't said, illiterate folx still 'cannot be part', they will kill selves with elementary coarse error of pilotage
1922694;1563282487;mp_en_viaje;the whole fucking point of being part of btc in the first place is so that your life as you used to prior live it becomes strictly impossible.
1922695;1563282504;asciilifeform;witness e.g. the various folx who publicly nervous breakdown from 'i threw out disk with keys, could have been rich!111' etc
1922696;1563282516;girlattorney;i get your point, i just sell them because i get my %
1922697;1563282534;mp_en_viaje;more powa to you.
1922698;1563282535;girlattorney;(want to sell, still haven't compiled on ARM)
1922699;1563282575;asciilifeform;girlattorney: it builds and runs 100% on e.g. rk3328 (64bit arm) w/out changes.
1922700;1563282599;asciilifeform;if you have a working toolchain now, you can build and be up & running in 40min. or so.
1922701;1563282633;girlattorney;crosscompile on x86_64 is too hassle or it's worth the time to change the parameters on makefile?
1922702;1563282649;asciilifeform;girlattorney: mod6's build system ( based on asciilifeform's earlier 2015 'rotor' (see logs) ) builds first a frozen-in-amber gcc & friends, ~then~ the depds (db etc) , ~then~ trb per se
1922703;1563282663;asciilifeform;i.e. repeatable build, doesn't care what's on your box currently
1922704;1563282691;asciilifeform;no need to cross compile unless you're building for something too small to run gcc itself ( and chances are it won't run trb , if so small , as with 'pogo' )
1922705;1563282704;girlattorney;so i can just cp -r the dir already compiled on x86 on the arm board?
1922706;1563282710;asciilifeform;instead get working linux and toolchain on the arm box, then build w/ mod6's system.
1922707;1563282717;asciilifeform;mno
1922708;1563282730;asciilifeform;you carry out mod6's build recipe ~on~ the arm box
1922709;1563282733;girlattorney;ah ok now i get it
1922710;1563282737;asciilifeform;aite.
1922711;1563282856;asciilifeform;girlattorney: you will definitely want to talk to BingoBoingo when he wakes up, about www hosting.
1922712;1563282893;*;asciilifeform was about to ask 'so what kinda attourney...' but noticed that mp_en_viaje already ask
1922713;1563282971;girlattorney;last question: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Qp2pT/?raw=true
1922714;1563282978;girlattorney;this is debug log at start
1922715;1563282993;girlattorney;10.* is address of the NAT box
1922716;1563283002;girlattorney;5.* is the address specified with myip
1922717;1563283008;asciilifeform;looks like you're behind nat aha
1922718;1563283017;girlattorney;of course i am
1922719;1563283025;asciilifeform;for 'adult' trb node, you will want to route public ip to it
1922720;1563283027;girlattorney;but i'm using a tunnel
1922721;1563283031;asciilifeform;aa
1922722;1563283048;girlattorney;still it gets the local address aside from the specified myip
1922723;1563283050;asciilifeform;worth to see whether it actually works ( can connect to the public addr from another net ? )
1922724;1563283060;asciilifeform;girlattorney: you gotta set the public addr ~manually~
1922725;1563283092;asciilifeform;-myip=your.public.ip.addr
1922726;1563283096;girlattorney;yes, i'm able to connect externally, my question is: can i tell TRB to not announce my local address?
1922727;1563283104;asciilifeform;like that.
1922728;1563283117;girlattorney;already doing that in the log that i linked
1922729;1563283138;asciilifeform;so what makes you think it is announcing your local ip ?
1922730;1563283145;girlattorney;because is in the log
1922731;1563283216;girlattorney;first there is a addrLocalHost, then another addrLocalHost
1922732;1563283254;girlattorney;when i ran TRB in a box with a public routable address, there also was the double addrLocalHost, but always with the same public routable address
1922733;1563283275;girlattorney;behind a nat there is no way to tell TRB to ignore the 1st addrLocalHost
1922734;1563283324;asciilifeform;[http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/net.cpp?v=makefiles#1280][did you actually set -myip=yourpublicip] ?
1922735;1563283341;girlattorney;yes
1922736;1563283435;asciilifeform;[http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/net.cpp?v=makefiles#1271][the default gets spuriously printed prior to arg being parsed], this is arguably ~harmless but bug.
1922737;1563283445;asciilifeform;girlattorney: feel free to submit vpatch for it.
1922738;1563283463;asciilifeform;i will sign (and expect that other folx also will)
1922739;1563283486;girlattorney;i hope so, cause i was starting to thinking that TRB getting stuck fetching the last blocks could because the local address
1922740;1563283519;asciilifeform;girlattorney: the gold standard for 'is my trb node publicly reachable?' is : to connect to it from another trb node.
1922741;1563283537;girlattorney;ok
1922742;1563283550;asciilifeform;girlattorney: which is why you want to advertise at least 1 of your nodes , in your fleet, publicly, to other trb folx
1922743;1563283592;asciilifeform;the place for this, traditionally, is here, in #t.
1922744;1563283613;girlattorney;currently i'm trying to obtain IP space, after i'll announce my node
1922745;1563283660;asciilifeform;why incidentally , do you need the tunnel ? thoroughly rotten residential isp that blocks all ports ?
1922746;1563283682;girlattorney;it blocks none, but it's a dynamical IP
1922747;1563283693;asciilifeform;how much dynamic ?
1922748;1563283702;girlattorney;so everytime I cycle the modem i also need to cycle my box
1922749;1563283709;girlattorney;to change the myip parameter
1922750;1563283712;asciilifeform;e.g. asciilifeform's , is in principle 'dynamic', but in practice changes 1 a year or so
1922751;1563283715;asciilifeform;aa
1922752;1563283749;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, do you happen to have handy where in log i outlined strategy, "first, deny usg use of network, then deny use of land" etc ?
1922753;1563283774;asciilifeform;tunnel method worx, but imposes considerably overhead, girlattorney , you will want to get a serious pipe. i don't imagine it is a painful expense for attourney
1922754;1563283794;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-26#1632664 ?
1922755;1563283794;a111;Logged on 2017-03-26 15:03 mp_en_viaje: basically a novel vector of imperial attack seems to be this "let's take republican items and ~EXPAND~ the downstream so that siberian river attack is then feasible".
1922756;1563283796;girlattorney;and for me it's a pain cause i'm behind a VDSL connection. No FTTH. Copper attenuation is still a real thing and the modem likes to reboot
1922757;1563283806;mp_en_viaje;nah.
1922758;1563283826;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: if you can recall coupla details re thread, i can prolly remember it
1922759;1563283838;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-24#1211049 is either reference or early disclosure, wtf where did i put the cannonical form
1922760;1563283838;a111;Logged on 2015-07-24 00:06 mircea_popescu: in any case : the front against the usg in the cyber world is only going to strengthen the way it's going. within a decade we will see full area denial in the sense that no govt anything will still run online.
1922761;1563283903;asciilifeform;aa aa, i read it backwards, thought it was re 'usg deny' rather than 'deny usg' lol
1922762;1563283943;mp_en_viaje;aha
1922763;1563283981;asciilifeform;girlattorney: you will definitely want a civilized pipe, when working with bitcoin , it is not avoidable
1922764;1563283996;girlattorney;with civilized you mean ftth?
1922765;1563283998;asciilifeform;ip-over-dead-goat doesn't cut it, people have tried
1922766;1563284008;asciilifeform;girlattorney: fiber, yes.
1922767;1563284094;girlattorney;i asked to the local fiberman, they quoted me 5k USD to dig up to my premise and lay fiber
1922768;1563284101;girlattorney;still too much expensive
1922769;1563284116;asciilifeform;get quote from 2-3 telcos or whatever is to be had where you are
1922770;1563284124;asciilifeform;5k is ultracheap btw , for a dig
1922771;1563284139;girlattorney;considering that government run it for free if you live enough to wait for them
1922772;1563284147;asciilifeform;lol can wait for century.
1922773;1563284192;girlattorney;not for free, they pay it with debt, but still as user i get the product
1922774;1563284254;asciilifeform;as you pointed out, 'get' if live enough. and it will be a 'maybe-works' product, rather than what you want, necessarily.
1922775;1563284304;asciilifeform;you don't stand in bread queue and eat from gov.operated 'soup kitchen' from hobos; why wouldja do this for net pipe.
1922776;1563284328;girlattorney;just because a couple blocks distant from me they actually have laid fiber
1922777;1563284345;asciilifeform;at risk of repeating -- 5k is a steal for fiber dig.
1922778;1563284356;girlattorney;it depends where you live
1922779;1563284357;asciilifeform;it is cheaper than moving house.
1922780;1563284366;mp_en_viaje;i got http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-02#1494775 and http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-27#1591387 ; none of which are, infuriatingly, it.
1922781;1563284366;a111;Logged on 2016-07-02 04:34 mircea_popescu: so, strategically, we (as in, humans, people, we) are confronted with an adversary (ie, socialist state, usg, aliens, the devil incarnate, pure evil, etc) that predicates its relevancy upon targeted computing denial (see http://trilema.com/2014/the-problem-of-enforcement/ ; and also http://trilema.com/2015/mika-epstein-aka-ipstenu-is-a-thoroughly-clueless-poser/ re the ddos "we won't fix" and so on )
1922782;1563284366;a111;Logged on 2016-12-27 21:37 mircea_popescu: which i suppose is the main strategic direction of tmsr - in a few years they either pay us to "secure" all systems or else the systems burn down.
1922783;1563284374;mp_en_viaje;o fuck yeah, found it! http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-25#1758470
1922784;1563284374;a111;Logged on 2017-12-25 18:07 mircea_popescu: so, to get on the same page here, the general strategy is, 1. construct undisruptable comms ; 2. disrupt usg&friends comms ; 3. disrupt usg&friends physical presence.
1922785;1563284393;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-16#1922765 - this must be an euloran item
1922786;1563284393;a111;Logged on 2019-07-16 13:33 asciilifeform: ip-over-dead-goat doesn't cut it, people have tried
1922787;1563284410;asciilifeform;diana_coman: lolyes. i also like 'gas modem'.
1922788;1563284423;*;asciilifeform knows several people stuck on what may as well be gas modem
1922789;1563284443;diana_coman;better than coal modem, presumably
1922790;1563284444;girlattorney;in sweden 5k could be peanuts, in portugal a year of working of an average worker, in nigeria life savings
1922791;1563284504;asciilifeform;girlattorney: you did not specify your geography, so i assumed usa (not because always assume usa, but because it is country with world's worst bandwidth market. as in, behind nigeria, congo, et al )
1922792;1563284568;asciilifeform;asciilifeform, for example, in usa. where for 5k you can not even usually have the water pipe to your house fixed.
1922793;1563284574;asciilifeform;much less fiber dig.
1922794;1563284626;diana_coman;in my many wtf from the dev.to expedition: most (and by this I do mean 90%) of the profiles in there list "looking for work" but then not even one of those actually inquired there at "come work on what matters", not even a "where?" or anything (and they saw it, yes, the "heart" it but won't say a peep)
1922795;1563284669;asciilifeform;diana_coman: in pleebland 'lookign for work' is code for 'looking for money' normally
1922796;1563284686;girlattorney;but US is a strange world. You get quoted 80k for a day in hospital, then 8k cause your healthcare plan has negotiated the price
1922797;1563284692;diana_coman;might be looking out for work as in to make sure it doesn't actually find them
1922798;1563284711;asciilifeform;girlattorney: and the treatment for the 80/8k will consist of 8cent aspirin.
1922799;1563284723;girlattorney;lol... so true
1922800;1563285052;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, good for you oing through it, anyways.
1922801;1563285075;mp_en_viaje;girlattorney, are you in the states then ?
1922802;1563285179;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, wtf was that "moment when soviet realises soviet system rotten" ? not morozov moment lol, but what ? -ov something
1922803;1563285188;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: ah, I'm not complaining really, it's ...another world, what can I say; just still puzzled as to how they reason there
1922804;1563285284;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: navrozov
1922805;1563285288;asciilifeform;!#s navrozov
1922806;1563285289;a111;13 results for "navrozov", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=navrozov
1922807;1563285295;mp_en_viaje;kurchatov!
1922808;1563285309;asciilifeform;anti-kurchatov lol
1922809;1563285326;mp_en_viaje;hehehe
1922810;1563285353;asciilifeform;orig. here via http://btcbase.org/log/2013-04-30#7382 << >> https://archive.is/AYhl (orig site is borked)
1922811;1563285353;a111;Logged on 2013-04-30 01:46 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: on the death of academia: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/07/my-navrozov-moments.html (moldbug)
1922812;1563285379;girlattorney;mp_en_viaje no
1922813;1563285459;mp_en_viaje;ima leave http://trilema.com/2018/cu-cartile-pe-masa-un-fleac-l-au-ciuruit/#selection-403.1-407.0 here and then use this as my refpoint
1922814;1563285463;mp_en_viaje;it's much better thsi way
1922815;1563287957;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-16#1922586 << ftr , is because of >> http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-16#1922649 .
1922816;1563287957;a111;Logged on 2019-07-16 12:29 girlattorney: asciilifeform that's something interesting: once (not now, a couple of days ago) i was able to get to the general height, thanks to a couple of restart that allowed me to get those last blocks (it seems that when TRB starts, always download instantly 10-15 blocks). Basically when it was at the network height (synced) it was also connecting to core
1922817;1563287957;a111;Logged on 2019-07-16 12:52 asciilifeform: trb, unlike prb, does not accept blocks 'on credit' (i.e. ones for whom the antecedent block is not yet on the disk)
1922818;1563289046;mp_en_viaje;sooo... this month's been the largest trilema outpour (by count) since... like 2017 or so i think. go me.
1922819;1563289615;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-5-things-you-need-to-understand-about-wikileaks-before-you-celebrate-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - 5 Things You Need To Understand About Wikileaks Before You Celebrate. Adnotated.
1922820;1563290773;mp_en_viaje;and, coincidentally, willing to bet "[http://ossasepia.com/2019/07/12/my-first-hours-on-devto/comment-page-1/#comment-6142][Iren Korkishko]" is exact clone of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-14#1922441
1922821;1563290773;a111;Logged on 2019-07-14 15:17 mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, in other lulz, nicole dredged up local blondy ex-mech engineer turned java developer (sorry mocky, chick never heard of you). she intends to start her out outsourcing comp (because hates working with idiots ; yet if challenged "what you gonna do when rich ?" she wants to come up with some garbage sorting solution, because idiots do ~nothing but produce garbage and she doesn't understand the beheadingof
1922822;1563290896;mp_en_viaje;ie, i'll be in kiev towards the end of the month, and she'll http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/#selection-205.565-213.535 all over self, and that's that, another dead soul for the count.
1922823;1563290899;mp_en_viaje;basically, the situation among the youth would be, ten milion walflowers waiting patiently around imaginary walls, and 0 dancing getting done on the dance floor (let alone fucking holy god omg).
1922824;1563291074;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, anyway, you can't possibly spend your life supporting random dorky platform. get a script to enumerate users and hi them automatically, or somesuch.
1922825;1563291944;asciilifeform;oh ha finally to ukrs
1922826;1563292132;mp_en_viaje;ikr.
1922827;1563292273;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: myeah re won't spend life supporting them for sure; re script tbh it's such a pile of "open source" that I'm not even sure I'll spend my life making a script for it.
1922828;1563292282;mp_en_viaje;speaking of which, i wonder what happened to phf
1922829;1563292297;asciilifeform;!#seen phf
1922830;1563292297;a111;2019-07-06 <phf> that will make it apparent that you're still walking Input in order, one by one, because right now offset/ptr combination make it seem like you might be stepping by more than 1 and taking slices
1922831;1563292310;asciilifeform;apparently comes up for air.
1922832;1563292325;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, there doesn't seem to be much value there tbh. the main item with these is "do i have any reason to suspect there may be live humans invovled anywhere". which is why fetlife and not okcupid, forinstance, to take that example.
1922833;1563292355;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: there have been so far at least 2 coming over into #ossasepia and by the looks of it possibly alive
1922834;1563292365;mp_en_viaje;ah ? i stand corrected then.
1922835;1563292377;diana_coman;myeah, if only I had a logger in there so I can point to logs...
1922836;1563292389;*;mp_en_viaje is not the definitive eye in such matters, for one thing little practice and for the other i suspect i have mild case of asciilifeformism.
1922837;1563292505;asciilifeform;speaking of which, from old compendium of 'militarisms' : new division commander shows up, and , to the troops lined up on platz, utters : 'i will discipline just like you know from kindergarten : some to tribunal, some will be shot in front of the regiment... '
1922838;1563293398;mp_en_viaje;they didn't shoot offenders in front of kindergarten where you went ?
1922839;1563293436;asciilifeform;lol
1922840;1563293455;*;asciilifeform recall mp_en_viaje's 'glass kindergartener sculpture' piece
1922841;1563295142;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-16#1922678 << This is an interesting possibility
1922842;1563295142;a111;Logged on 2019-07-16 12:58 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, you know what ? the right way to go about this would be to offer pizarro customers pre-populated disks on demand.
1922843;1563297142;BingoBoingo;!Q later tell girlattorney It appears you are looking to set up a blog. http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-16#1922579 I can get you a place to blog set up by the end of the day http://pizarroisp.net/shared-hosting/
1922844;1563297142;a111;Logged on 2019-07-16 12:26 girlattorney: @mp_en_viaje nothing public, after reading trilema and some logs I wanted to open a blog to report my stuff, but haven't got yet my ip space
1922845;1563297143;lobbesbot;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
1922846;1563297484;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-16#1922576 << It does, doesn't it
1922847;1563297484;a111;Logged on 2019-07-16 12:24 asciilifeform: looks like potential replacement for the current rk , even.
1922848;1563297504;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: on examination, loox like may not be, cuz dun boot 'blobless' like rk
1922849;1563297511;BingoBoingo;Ah
1922850;1563297529;asciilifeform;but -- cheap. and 2G ram/GB nic/sata/etc. potentially useful, for, as original poster , trb.
1922851;1563297550;asciilifeform;would rather not have'em at piz tho unless bootloader can be neutered.
1922852;1563297922;girlattorney;BingoBoingo how much for a shared hosting and how much for a dedicated box with an ipv4 annualy?
1922853;1563297922;lobbesbot;girlattorney: Sent 12 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> It appears you are looking to set up a blog. http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-16#1922579 I can get you a place to blog set up by the end of the day http://pizarroisp.net/shared-hosting/
1922854;1563297944;asciilifeform;girlattorney: http://pizarroisp.net/pizarro-hosting-rate-sheet/
1922855;1563297980;girlattorney;tnx
1922856;1563298036;BingoBoingo;girlattorney: A year of shared hosting runs 0.0216 BTC, we are a bit squeezed for vacant machines until asciilifeform brings some more down here. Any particular configuations you favor for a dedicated box?
1922857;1563298063;asciilifeform;there's a vacant rk, prolly adequate for anything short of trb node
1922858;1563298115;girlattorney;well the prices are a high for my budget, will check if here there somebody that want to group buy a node in uruguay to split the cost
1922859;1563299693;asciilifeform;i admit i'm curious now, what kinda budget is it where <100 u.s/mo is 'high' . and where exactly girlattorney has been getting physical box colo that costs substantially less.
1922860;1563299871;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile in local lulz, the "ley de bolsas" is beginning to deliver some serious lulz https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/los-problemas-de-las-nuevas-bolsas-entre-el-calor-y-un-hongo-que-afecta-su-produccion-2019715195536
1922861;1563299976;BingoBoingo;No one could have predicted the biodegradable bags would rot in storage!
1922862;1563301775;phf;mp_en_viaje: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/OdqwQ/?raw=true
1922863;1563303454;BingoBoingo;And in Qntramments http://qntra.net/2019/07/finnish-and-japanese-researchers-find-incredible-lack-of-evidence-for-man-made-climate-change/#comment-131970
1922864;1563306483;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/07/ukrainian-maidan-government-aligned-militia-caught-smuggling-missile-in-italy-threatening-salvini-assassination/ << Qntra -- Ukrainian Maid...ment Aligned Militia Caught Smuggling Missile In Italy, Threatening Salvini Assassination
1922865;1563308889;BingoBoingo;Also in local news: general being cut from 15 to 12, Colonels from 200 to 120, and why should soldiers be obligated to obey? https://www.montevideo.com.uy/Noticias/Con-los-votos-del-Frente-Amplio-y-el-PI-se-aprobo-la-reforma-de-la-ley-organica-militar-uc724425
1922866;1563309615;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile in things that floated through here, Candian printer edition https://archive.is/CA9vk
1922867;1563309624;mp_en_viaje;phf, aite, do you want somebody to pick you up at the airport or anything ?
1922868;1563309764;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-16#1922859 << afaik there's this "virtual-colo" thing, used to be 99 some years back, prolly decayed to 49 or something by now
1922869;1563309764;a111;Logged on 2019-07-16 17:54 asciilifeform: i admit i'm curious now, what kinda budget is it where <100 u.s/mo is 'high' . and where exactly girlattorney has been getting physical box colo that costs substantially less.
1922870;1563309888;BingoBoingo;Ah, the manage through a panel thing where the folks selling swear you have a whole box to yourself.
1922871;1563309979;mp_en_viaje;yup.
1922872;1563310003;mp_en_viaje;"gotta compete with bezos" angle for the independents, strengthened by "customer so dumb, literally can not tell the difference"
1922873;1563310082;BingoBoingo;End product is the Linode moral hazard magnet http://trilema.com/2012/the-bitcoin-drama-timeline/#selection-391.0-407.21
1922874;1563310146;mp_en_viaje;justabout
1922875;1563310528;asciilifeform;hrm i thought in 'linode' , operator succumbed to alcoholism
1922876;1563311248;mp_en_viaje;no, linode was one of these [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-12#1922336][usgistani shits]. back in 2010 pretended to be a major player in hosting market.
1922877;1563311248;a111;Logged on 2019-07-12 09:25 mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in other http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-08#1623380 slash http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-05#1839537 lulz : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/N2UQY/?raw=true
1922878;1563311330;mp_en_viaje;were taken out 2015-2016, whined about it copiously but ultimately ineffectually.
1922879;1563311489;asciilifeform;a!
1922880;1563311496;asciilifeform;possibly i was thinking about 'bitvps'
1922881;1563313101;asciilifeform;re : honest 'virtual hosts' , and re asciilifeform's backlog of outputs to be published : i have a working kernel and userland for that mips emu . runs as buildroot, a la 'rotor' . will be featured in conveyor article.
1922882;1563313125;asciilifeform;orig. author of 'cmips' btw was of 0 use, i wrote to him a while back and not long ago he answerd 'i lost hdd, lost errything'
1922883;1563313146;asciilifeform;so ended up learning from 0 , how to port linux kernel to a never-seen 'machine'
1922884;1563313190;asciilifeform;also in the process made sad discovery : previously asciilifeform always pronounced 'gcc 4.9 is usable' but! turns out some time b/w 4.8.1 and 4.9 , someone silently sabotaged support for classical mips1
1922885;1563313209;asciilifeform;ditto in buildroot, some time (remains to be established) b/w 2013 ver and current, also nixed mips1
1922886;1563313269;asciilifeform;gcc 4.9.x apparently WILL emit mips-r2-istic instrs no matter what flags are given.
1922887;1563313481;asciilifeform;the arch illustrated by the sim is simple enuff that one could fit it in, e.g., even very modest fpga. which means that nao we have reproducible kernel, gcc, toolchain, etc. for machine that can be baked , if needed, on demand, in whatever qty.
1922888;1563313535;asciilifeform;in re ffa : ch20 and most of 21 written. but all of it paused atm , making detailed map/plan.
1922889;1563313922;asciilifeform;re that kernel -- someone gotta genesis a kernel. ( if no one has any constructive input re ~which~ one, then i will, and it will be somewhat arbitrary. ) atm that patch is a bad-old-style patch, rather than vpatch.
1922890;1563313948;asciilifeform;fwiw it lies down cleanly on errything 3.x--present, afaik
1922891;1563314328;*;asciilifeform will bbl, meat
1922892;1563315100;mod6;Hey there, I've been pretty pinned down with some secular things in the past 10 days or so.   Still catching up on logs+blogs here... saw the discussion earlier from girlattorney.
1922893;1563315260;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-16#1922592 << ah!  ok, had me worried there for a moment.
1922894;1563315260;a111;Logged on 2019-07-16 12:31 girlattorney: if i do a df -h on my box i have also 270-280GB occupied, not 8TB
1922895;1563315378;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-16#1922542 << There is a patch that is not part of the main TRB vtree that does this, but it'll have to be patched in manually.  And it most likely would need to be "re-ground" to apply cleanly ontop of your current pressed tree.  However, if we can find a time where we could work together on it, I might be able to help you get that part going.
1922896;1563315378;a111;Logged on 2019-07-16 12:12 girlattorney: and last thing that i found a little annoying: no exportprivkey in any form, just dealing with wallet.dat to import/export private keys
1922897;1563315667;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-16#1922545 << I have found that if you -connect to a single (trusted TMSR~ node, for instnace http://thebitcoin.foundation/trusted-nodes.html) node to get caught up -- it'll get within 5 blocks of the head of the chain, then it'll start going through all of the mempool stuff.  Eventually, it should catch up; however, if one is in a hurry to get those last 5 blocks sync'd, you c
1922898;1563315667;a111;Logged on 2019-07-16 12:15 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-16#1922497 << 'stays back' as in always 3-4 behind what someone else's (who's?) node height ? or perma-wedged at height h ?
1922899;1563315673;mod6;an issue the 'stop' command to bitcoind, wait until it closes properly, then start back up with -addnode for a handful of trusted nodes (see command in http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html in section 0x23 or at the very bottom 0x0D), which should sync you the rest of the way pretty quickly.
1922900;1563315941;mod6;Couple of other things that I wanted to mention quick, girlattorney:  Just be sure to make frequent backups of your entire blockchain.  Be aware also that TRB does not handle power-outtages very nicely as BDB can get corrupted; UPS and the like can help to mitigate this.
1922901;1563316095;mod6;One could connect a TRB node through a SSH tunnel (to a remote endpoint/host with a static IP) so you don't broadcast your IP.
1922902;1563316284;mod6;This would basically involve one to set up ssh-key based authentication to the remote host, then creating the tunnel with something like this:
1922903;1563316307;mod6;ssh -o ServerAliveInterval=5 -o ServerAliveCountMax=3 -i ~/.ssh/key_for_remote_host_id_rsa girlattorney@A.B.C.D -D 127.0.0.1:56565
1922904;1563316323;mod6;Which will now allow you to tunnel over localhost port 56565...
1922905;1563316335;mod6;Then when you start up TRB, you can do that like so:
1922906;1563316354;mod6;LC_ALL=C ./bitcoind -myip=127.0.0.1 -proxy=127.0.0.1:56565 -connect=<SOME_REPUBLICAN_IP> -lows -verifyall &
1922907;1563316417;mod6;Then it should tunnel you through that remote host to connect to the bitcoin network and get blocks.  Keep in mind that the example above is just that, and it also uses -connect, which is intended for connecting to a single node.  You'll want to use -addnode for when connecting to more than one, and standard operation
1922908;1563316488;mod6;Anyway, just throwing it out there as an alternative for you.
1922909;1563316983;mod6;cheers, bbl.
1922910;1563323444;asciilifeform;mod6: as i parsed it, she already is using tunnel.
1922911;1563324580;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in shitgnomery, '2013.11-rc3, Released November 26th, 2013 Fixes all over the tree. Architecture: Mark MIPS I, II, III and IV as deprecated.' ('buildroot' www)
1922912;1563324793;asciilifeform;ftr : [https://archive.is/Xiaci][horse's mouth, where above.] aaand, soon after: [https://archive.is/xXyRi]['Mon Dec 1 19:06:32 UTC 2014 ... Remove the support for generating mips1/2/3/4 code since it has been deprecated for more than a year now. Also remove the unnecessary kludges in packages for it.']
1922913;1563324844;asciilifeform;this wouldn't even be interesting ('hey use pre-castration snapshot') except that this snip pre-dates addition of musl to buildroot.
1922914;1563325059;asciilifeform;near as i can guess, this was done in order to help kill [http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=loongson][loongson] sinomips.
1922915;1563325263;asciilifeform;... and mips in general. ( how do you suppose the ball-of-shit arm arch became dominant. to this day chinese pay tribute to britain for 'permission' to make arm. why ? at one time mips had patent, but expired in 2009 or so. and in march of '19 orig. mips verilog entirely opensoresd and made public... yet 0 fast mips on the market. guess why. )
1922916;1563325522;asciilifeform;aaand gcc broke support around same time.
1922917;1563326313;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-16#1922895 << recall that mp_en_viaje prescribed that the wallet oughta be sawed off into own proggy. imho this is entirely Right Thing. but no one has yet found the free hands with which to do, afaik
1922918;1563326313;a111;Logged on 2019-07-16 22:16 mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-16#1922542 << There is a patch that is not part of the main TRB vtree that does this, but it'll have to be patched in manually.  And it most likely would need to be "re-ground" to apply cleanly ontop of your current pressed tree.  However, if we can find a time where we could work together on it, I might be able to help you get that part going.
1922919;1563326375;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-16#1922900 << imho it is foolish to take down a trb noad (i.e. allow it to fall behind) simply to copy the db. the best backup for a trb noad is a 2nd, 3rd,... node.
1922920;1563326375;a111;Logged on 2019-07-16 22:25 mod6: Couple of other things that I wanted to mention quick, girlattorney:  Just be sure to make frequent backups of your entire blockchain.  Be aware also that TRB does not handle power-outtages very nicely as BDB can get corrupted; UPS and the like can help to mitigate this.
1922921;1563326394;asciilifeform;realtime auto-backup, what better backup could anything ever have.
1922922;1563326475;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-16#1922900 << i dunthink i've ever witnessed the corrupted db (tho i believe the folx who have.) possibly because i have never run node off anything other than always-on sinusoidal inverter ups, tho
1922923;1563326475;a111;Logged on 2019-07-16 22:25 mod6: Couple of other things that I wanted to mention quick, girlattorney:  Just be sure to make frequent backups of your entire blockchain.  Be aware also that TRB does not handle power-outtages very nicely as BDB can get corrupted; UPS and the like can help to mitigate this.
1922924;1563326536;asciilifeform;for the smaller boxen (various arm, 'pcengine', similar) you can actually put a 12v lead-acid in line with the dc connector. and never suffer 'oops, mains flicker' db corrupt.
1922925;1563326806;asciilifeform;mod6: re backups -- if one absolutely must make a hand-cranked copy of a node, the correct method is 'dumpblock' (on donor end) and 'eatblock' (on recipient) , dun require taking down either.
1922926;1563328144;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> aaand gcc broke support around same time. << And the hard opensourpush was made to push a crippled subset of SPARC as MIPS alternative around that time as well iirc
1922927;1563358762;feedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2019/07/17/the-mirror-land-notes-on-graphics-for-eulora-iii/ << Ossa Sepia -- The Mirror Land (Notes on Graphics for Eulora, III)
1922928;1563361195;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-16#1922882 << reminds me of zimmerman fucktard, wrote to me "oh, lost pw to my orig key"
1922929;1563361195;a111;Logged on 2019-07-16 21:38 asciilifeform: orig. author of 'cmips' btw was of 0 use, i wrote to him a while back and not long ago he answerd 'i lost hdd, lost errything'
1922930;1563361224;mp_en_viaje;i'm like "fucker... why the fuck am i talking to you. are you even in show business ?!"
1922931;1563361237;mp_en_viaje;i guess by now we all hold the key usage longivity records.
1922932;1563361276;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-16#1922884 << no shortage of mike hearns
1922933;1563361276;a111;Logged on 2019-07-16 21:39 asciilifeform: also in the process made sad discovery : previously asciilifeform always pronounced 'gcc 4.9 is usable' but! turns out some time b/w 4.8.1 and 4.9 , someone silently sabotaged support for classical mips1
1922934;1563362208;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-17#1922927 << this stuff's pretty fun to read
1922935;1563362208;a111;Logged on 2019-07-17 10:19 feedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2019/07/17/the-mirror-land-notes-on-graphics-for-eulora-iii/ << Ossa Sepia -- The Mirror Land (Notes on Graphics for Eulora, III)
1922936;1563362409;diana_coman;possibly records for longevity anything really
1922937;1563362423;diana_coman;heh, at least there are pretty pictures!
1922938;1563363223;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-16#1922886 << this is such fucking recurrent bs... linker WILL emit same crap n omatter what sjlj thing you say to it ; and so on in this manner, "computing" in the sense of conway island wheel "cars", will spin regardless of how little kids turn and twist the "steering wheel"
1922939;1563363223;a111;Logged on 2019-07-16 21:41 asciilifeform: gcc 4.9.x apparently WILL emit mips-r2-istic instrs no matter what flags are given.
1922940;1563363229;mp_en_viaje;fucking insulting.
1922941;1563363307;mp_en_viaje;in more uplifiting news, travel agent (this twentysomething "rocker" kid, kinda cute at that) used honest to got TERMINAL. none of those java clucker interfaces.
1922942;1563363313;mp_en_viaje;yellow on black too, cga 4 eva
1922943;1563363423;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-16#1922889 << i thought we were mostly using 2.6 - 2.9 sorta thing ? is everyone really on 3 branch ?
1922944;1563363423;a111;Logged on 2019-07-16 21:52 asciilifeform: re that kernel -- someone gotta genesis a kernel. ( if no one has any constructive input re ~which~ one, then i will, and it will be somewhat arbitrary. ) atm that patch is a bad-old-style patch, rather than vpatch.
1922945;1563364410;spyked;iirc the rk (and everything on arm64) is on 4.x
1922946;1563364451;*;spyked is using different kernel versions (but mostly 3.x) depending on the hardware.
1922947;1563365518;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i don't have anything running a 2.x, and haven't for some years ( ye olde 'wrt54g' was i think the last piece of iron i had which ran one )
1922948;1563365666;asciilifeform;never found any reason to keep alive 2.6.x, hand-cut later kernel can typically sit down in same footprint even in small irons
1922949;1563365718;asciilifeform;it was ~2.4~ that some folx are keeping alive, cuz it would fit, with trimming, into <1M. but if yer using 2.4.x you will need a contemporary userland.
1922950;1563365751;asciilifeform;the beauty of synthetic 'iron' is that you can actually use just about any kernel, because there is no driver gnarl, you're already baking the drivers with own hands
1922951;1563365805;asciilifeform;problem comes if you want to run non-contemporary proggies on it ( musl, gnat 4.9.x, etc . ) linus permitted abi to change.
1922952;1563365984;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-17#1922928 << ftr i had to disasm [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-08#1922071][his demo kernel] to find how the fuck he made it go with the simplistic mips timer. (why ? cuz linux porting docs -- lie !)
1922953;1563365984;a111;Logged on 2019-07-17 10:59 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-16#1922882 << reminds me of zimmerman fucktard, wrote to me "oh, lost pw to my orig key"
1922954;1563365984;a111;Logged on 2019-07-08 17:28 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/tmsrmips-demo/testlinux.bin << run with.
1922955;1563366103;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-17#1922938 << ended up reading sections of sores from six diff gcc's...
1922956;1563366103;a111;Logged on 2019-07-17 11:33 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-16#1922886 << this is such fucking recurrent bs... linker WILL emit same crap n omatter what sjlj thing you say to it ; and so on in this manner, "computing" in the sense of conway island wheel "cars", will spin regardless of how little kids turn and twist the "steering wheel"
1922957;1563366207;asciilifeform;re 'lunapark cars' -- the rationale for the [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-08#1922070][mips experiment] is only half 'make honest vps for piz', other half is 'make reproducible linuxable iron'
1922958;1563366207;a111;Logged on 2019-07-08 17:28 asciilifeform: meanwhile, asciilifeform while cooking war plan went and thought 'oughta clean up the june item for pre-pub'. and so, for the pleasure of the audience : http://www.loper-os.org/pub/tmsrmips-demo/tmsrmips.asm
1922959;1563366254;asciilifeform;reproducible + fittable in head.
1922960;1563366316;asciilifeform;the incident where i glued together rk pilot plant, to only ~then~ find out that nobody knows when the fuck proper gnat will actually build arm binaries w/ working threading, was instructive.
1922961;1563366391;asciilifeform;'iron babel' is imho good chunk of why linux is ball o'shit.
1922962;1563366509;asciilifeform;when you have a ~defined~ iron, can lose 99% of the driverism crapolade.
1922963;1563366541;asciilifeform;it dun even ~have~ to be mips, i picked it cuz it is the 'smallest' , moving-parts-wise, arch, for which there was existing gcc back-end.
1922964;1563366575;asciilifeform;( has a couple of other up-sides, e.g., 'endianism' only affects 3 instructions. so can be made selectable. )
1922965;1563366676;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-17#1922941 << afaik all the airlines still are using the ~physically same~ ibm mainframes as in 1990. ( simply, in 'civilized' world, the agents run 'terminal' proggy under microshit. whereas in orclands, ye olde ibm glass terminals. i saw one in e.g. argentina, in coupla places )
1922966;1563366676;a111;Logged on 2019-07-17 11:35 mp_en_viaje: in more uplifiting news, travel agent (this twentysomething "rocker" kid, kinda cute at that) used honest to got TERMINAL. none of those java clucker interfaces.
1922967;1563367306;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-17#1922942 << cga, by the standards of that world, is 'newfangled'. the glass tty's typically emulate ibm's 3270 -- a 1971 product... (or vt100, dec circa 1978!)
1922968;1563367306;a111;Logged on 2019-07-17 11:35 mp_en_viaje: yellow on black too, cga 4 eva
1922969;1563367425;asciilifeform;single-phosphour crt, w/out shadow mask. hence razor-sharp ( and actually why bolix made the lispm console a b&w tube. was only way to get 1280x1024 in 1980s tube, with sharp text) . for this reason asciilifeform for many years had actual glass tty, when first started unixing, was 1 of the best junkyard finds ever imho
1922970;1563367470;asciilifeform;and you can plug'em into virtually any box, from 'vax' to 'pogo', all you need is a serial port of whatever description.
1922971;1563368031;asciilifeform;btw for thread-completeness -- the [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919282]['weird-endian'] puzzle had simple answer : turns out the mips arch uses 'little' representation for the instructions per se, even on 'big' machine. the rationale for this, was that the instr. length is fixed, and jumps into unaligned addresses are forbidden (i.e. iron will not load an instruction from an addr that doesn't end with 2 (on 64bit -- 3) zero bi
1922972;1563368031;a111;Logged on 2019-06-22 16:43 asciilifeform: re: loose ends: fwiw asciilifeform did in fact add the final missing piece to [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-15#1918251][mipstron]. BUT! can't test with the [https://github.com/andrewchambers/cmips][dummkopf's orig linux image] as he... guess wat, his system had little-endian word accesses but big-endian byte read/write ! so his image in fact will boot on NO existing mips, nor any afaik other emulator.
1922973;1563368031;asciilifeform;ts ), and so dun matter how the instrs are represented, from user's pov
1922974;1563368047;asciilifeform;so apparently orig cmips d00d was not to blame for this oddity.
1922975;1563368100;asciilifeform;( fwiw the posted prototype has selectable endianism, albeit via an 'ifdefism' . thus far only tested with 'bigendian' kernel + userland tho. )
1922976;1563368138;asciilifeform;if switch to 'little', you will get a roughly 0.01% speedup, all it'll do it get rid of the xor addr, 0x3 instr.
1922977;1563368324;asciilifeform;( in the 3 'byte r/w' instructions, nowhere else )
1922978;1563369486;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-17#1922914 << the schmucks are pretty shameless, it is true, but perhaps not many notches above trivial to reconstruct musl atop a proper (ie, without Peter Korsgaard &rest of retards)
1922979;1563369486;a111;Logged on 2019-07-17 00:57 asciilifeform: near as i can guess, this was done in order to help kill [http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=loongson][loongson] sinomips.
1922980;1563369495;mp_en_viaje;buildroot
1922981;1563369525;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i expect it'll be somewhat easier than the piece already done.
1922982;1563369537;mp_en_viaje;possibru yea
1922983;1563369575;asciilifeform;( pretty gnarly, incidentally, had to debug crashed kernels using ~pc host~'s gdb, as there is no dedicated debuggism in the 12kB emu thing, it'd massively slow down execution just by existing)
1922984;1563369637;asciilifeform;( how ? e.g. 'b _end_cycle if $r9==0xdeadf00d' will stop when 'program counter' reg of mips is equal to 0xdeadf00d', then single-step to see what instr dispatched... then 'i r' and see regs. etc )
1922985;1563369702;asciilifeform;ftr the last version of buildroot that does 100% Right Thing (i.e. built working kernel + userland) is 2013.08-rc1 .
1922986;1563369721;asciilifeform;however it only provides 'uclibc' (and not musl, as prev. noted.)
1922987;1563369754;asciilifeform;and 4.8.1 appears to be the last gcc w/ properly-behaving mips1 backend.
1922988;1563369779;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-15#1922470 - trinque, any chance of getting an answer on this?
1922989;1563369779;a111;Logged on 2019-07-15 10:05 diana_coman: trinque: from what I see though the genesis.vpatch is a snapshot of /cuntoo/portage dir *only* which means that the actual tarballs with the code are not included anyway - so basically it will still fail to find them as soon as whatever URI in the ebuild doesn't host them anymore, what am I missing?
1922990;1563369786;asciilifeform;kernels, however, no hard limit found yet, erry 3.x seems to work (with my patch)
1922991;1563369814;diana_coman;!!seen trinque
1922992;1563369814;deedbot;2019/07/14 22:26:25 <trinque> I'm sure it does feel like a bit of gruntwork, and yet, later you will always have that curl, and it will always build.
1922993;1563369839;asciilifeform;( i expect one can use any whatsoever. my patch will only cleanly work with 2.6+, 2.4.x had very different api for deviceisms )
1922994;1563370772;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, i suspect 2013 era kernels prolly last usable anyways.
1922995;1563370888;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: rk and dulap 4.x , but heavily hand-cut. ( and i suspect can be cut further still . ) i dun operate kernels other than hand-cut.
1922996;1563370913;mp_en_viaje;i dun think i actually moved to 3 branch.
1922997;1563370914;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: unrelated, i found 1 of your belarus tomb folx, comment in mod queue.
1922998;1563370919;mp_en_viaje;tyvm!
1922999;1563371184;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, updated!
1923000;1563371198;asciilifeform;a++
1923001;1563371307;mp_en_viaje;pretty cool story.
1923002;1563371451;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-17#1922915 << i dunno, ima take a stab in the dark here and [http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-4-unintended-consequences-of-seroquels-adjunct-to-antidepressants-indication-adnotated/#selection-255.234-269.3][guess] ?
1923003;1563371451;a111;Logged on 2019-07-17 01:01 asciilifeform: ... and mips in general. ( how do you suppose the ball-of-shit arm arch became dominant. to this day chinese pay tribute to britain for 'permission' to make arm. why ? at one time mips had patent, but expired in 2009 or so. and in march of '19 orig. mips verilog entirely opensoresd and made public... yet 0 fast mips on the market. guess why. )
1923004;1563371488;asciilifeform;hrm, select dun display here
1923005;1563371495;asciilifeform;(usually -- worx...)
1923006;1563371551;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-17#1922917 << for what it's worth im well irritated by all this out-and-out saboteur work of subversion, "oh, there's been this improper patch for years now that we keep deliberately maintaining improper and keep mentioning" nonsense.
1923007;1563371551;a111;Logged on 2019-07-17 01:18 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-16#1922895 << recall that mp_en_viaje prescribed that the wallet oughta be sawed off into own proggy. imho this is entirely Right Thing. but no one has yet found the free hands with which to do, afaik
1923008;1563371574;mp_en_viaje;get the fucking shit aligned or stop talking about it altogether. it's either abandoned, in which case, it is not mentioned ; or it is not abandoned, in which case it is fixed.
1923009;1563371583;asciilifeform;i dun even have that patch on my hdd, turns out
1923010;1563371587;mp_en_viaje;if it's not fixed and not abandoned you are raising flags of rebellipon, and i will cut heads.
1923011;1563371590;asciilifeform;had nfi anyone used it
1923012;1563371606;asciilifeform;mod6 when you wake up -- wtf was this ?
1923013;1563371728;mp_en_viaje;more to the point : why ~the fuck~ would you want to spend your time "hand-helping" someone on "how to install an improper patch" in preference of, spending the same time making it a proper fucking patch, which has the side benefit that now you don't have to hold their hand.
1923014;1563371743;mp_en_viaje;besides the "i utterly hate the republic and wish to fuck it over", there's no incentive for the stance available.
1923015;1563371769;asciilifeform;esp. for safety-critical component that is wallet.
1923016;1563371779;mp_en_viaje;for fucking anything.
1923017;1563371846;*;asciilifeform did write some experimental patches, and they were marked with jolly roger, and certainly aint about to recommend'em to anyone who does not consciously know wtf he's doing, much less hand-hold to install..
1923018;1563371879;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-17#1922922 << fortunately bdb will actually recover itself from ~most "omfg error" states it loudly reports upon unexpected shutdown. not 100%, but in general it can be hacked back into coherence without much trouble.
1923019;1563371879;a111;Logged on 2019-07-17 01:21 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-16#1922900 << i dunthink i've ever witnessed the corrupted db (tho i believe the folx who have.) possibly because i have never run node off anything other than always-on sinusoidal inverter ups, tho
1923020;1563371897;mp_en_viaje;of course, this also requires familiarity with bdb, which is a lot like familiarity with baud modems.
1923021;1563371917;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: doesn't require hand-hexing, since trb actually stores all blox, simply needs re-walk trigger
1923022;1563371923;asciilifeform;then rebuilds indices.
1923023;1563371928;asciilifeform;(takes maybe 30min)
1923024;1563371929;mp_en_viaje;pretty much
1923025;1563371981;mp_en_viaje;it'll be so fucking nice when we finally manage to ditch that dependency tho
1923026;1563372120;*;asciilifeform actually has the with-what engine, and it's blocked on [http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-26#1866266][that gnat finalization bug]
1923027;1563372120;a111;Logged on 2018-10-26 02:14 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in gnat bugs : apparently ( and this is documented or mentioned nowhere ) : it is impossible to have a Ada.Finalization.Limited_Controlled type ANYWHERE inside a static library, unless it is generic all the way down (i.e. if the lib package is generic, any sub-packages must also be instantiated as generics )
1923028;1563372138;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-17#1922951 << yeah, that was a fucking problem.
1923029;1563372138;a111;Logged on 2019-07-17 12:16 asciilifeform: problem comes if you want to run non-contemporary proggies on it ( musl, gnat 4.9.x, etc . ) linus permitted abi to change.
1923030;1563372460;mp_en_viaje;then again, i can not name any program published after... uh i dunno, 2005 or so that i actually fucking use. a large part of the advantage in dealing with these idiots is still [http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-deal-with-pseudoscience/][ye same old] : nobody needs aything they "did" for anything. much like i have no use for "all the advances" in bitcoin (what, segwit ? bwahahaha) i also don't have any use for "all th
1923031;1563372460;mp_en_viaje;e advances" in [http://trilema.com/2019/the-state-of-the-vidya-address/][gaming] and the web is STILL better seen through lynx than through firecrash/chromeburn. what, i lose out on loading github ? [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-16#1914174][linkedin] ? lordy.
1923032;1563372460;a111;Logged on 2019-05-16 21:23 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-16#1914135 << bahahahahaha! and for extra lulz, phuctor was 'replaced' in <2hrs -- whereas this took, wat was it, 6mo ?
1923033;1563372513;mp_en_viaje; "but mp, if you don't get latest chromed piss you can't connect to appsites like fetlife". [http://trilema.com/2015/fetlife-the-meat-market/][like hell] i can't! i wouldn't fucking use their idiotic interface to interact with their own backend/userbase/wife-and-daugther if they fucking paid me anyways.
1923034;1563372555;mp_en_viaje;basically, a flat rejection of the userland past 10 years or so is the ~exact equivalent of not talking to indians in call centers on the phone. "i'll just talk to the manager, get lost paki."
1923035;1563372585;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: imho after working mipstron, whoever actually needs heathenware for whatever [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-04#1916965][experiment], can house it in a mipsjail and be done with it.
1923036;1563372585;a111;Logged on 2019-06-04 00:51 asciilifeform: incidentally, i generate these by machine, and it takes about 3sec per. would have put it as a [http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1730023][net-connected hopper thing] aeons ago, BUT it of course uses a heathen render (there are no 'demonstrably electrically correct' pdf eaters, and i dun expect one to exist) and suffers from [https://archive.is/f9hNX][the obvious problem]
1923037;1563372604;mp_en_viaje;kinda what all this experience seems to be converging towards.
1923038;1563372648;asciilifeform;the current kernel is <2MB. and prolly trimmable further. boot to shell in 3sec or so.
1923039;1563372649;mp_en_viaje;1. most of the "need" and "use" you perceive is entirely imaginary, resulting from the intersection of your WSOD and their marketing efforts and 2. most of the actual utility comes from older stuff in the first place, and will be delivered  better by resurected older stuff than by the newer stuff.
1923040;1563372733;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i suspect this hypothesis extends just the same to iron.
1923041;1563372762;mp_en_viaje;possibly so ; tho we yet lack the experimental buildup to say.
1923042;1563372771;asciilifeform;properly-trimmed linux userland , i suspect , would run entirely usably in 'tmsr mips'-on-ice40.
1923043;1563372772;mp_en_viaje;but surely all metaconsiderations & heuristics point that way
1923044;1563372794;asciilifeform;that 4ghz clock of 'modern' pc, is burned up mostly on liquishit.
1923045;1563372834;mp_en_viaje;this is not merely true, but fractally fucking true. consider the actual, lived experience of yours truly, who ended up buying that motorcycle of a 5lb vid card and that mega screen etc to... in the end ... play heroes3 on it ?
1923046;1563372841;asciilifeform;aha!
1923047;1563372843;asciilifeform;the very same
1923048;1563372867;asciilifeform;i may have mentioned, built exactly similar 'motorcycle' 2y ago, and to same result.
1923049;1563372872;mp_en_viaje;then alf is like "but mp... you don't need accelerator card for those" and mp is like... ikr.
1923050;1563372936;mp_en_viaje;i didn't even start with it ; the actual history as it unfurled is fucking emblematic. 1 "oh, steamos ?" 2. nowait, no os, idiots ; 3. ahahaha, THEY HAVE NO GAMES, how can they survive 4. omfg bbq NOBODY DOES HAVE ANY
1923051;1563372938;mp_en_viaje;and so on
1923052;1563372993;mp_en_viaje;the entire collection of "video games" output 2009-2019 can command HALF the play hours off your time that ANY ONE TITLE of 2000-2009 can command
1923053;1563373019;mp_en_viaje;however, if you sit down to play gothic, or kb or any fucking one thing it'll be time spent playing, full screen, immersed
1923054;1563373020;asciilifeform;i can't even think of ~one~ post-'09 title i liked, other than 'portal'
1923055;1563373040;mp_en_viaje;and if you sit down to play post-apocalypse crapola it'll be time spent shifting through the zombie bin, omg this sucks omg wtf is this shit etc
1923056;1563373042;asciilifeform;('portal' is largely why 'valve co.' is even a thing to begin with )
1923057;1563373085;mp_en_viaje;i personally enjoy much more buying a pair of shoes / acquiring a new whore / eating a meal than touching five thousand slimy, ugly and unpleasant "shoes" "whores" "meals" that fucking aren't.
1923058;1563373090;mp_en_viaje;dunno, maybe it's just me.
1923059;1563373107;mp_en_viaje;i think it must be just me, because i see the hordes of touchers everywhere.
1923060;1563373216;mp_en_viaje;but back to the issue : i suspect all things any one actually wants will be easier and readylier had by taking an older version and cutting it down to sit on tmsr computing environment than by trying to run it on the campbell-soupcan flavour of windows, be it "foss"/"gnu"/"linux"/adobe/oracle/apple/whatever, they;re all windowses
1923061;1563373238;mp_en_viaje;because the sort of idiot involved is born with a spongiform brain of microshit.
1923062;1563373241;asciilifeform;[http://www.loper-os.org/?p=165#selection-561.275-561.495][oblig naggum].
1923063;1563373290;asciilifeform;( re x's that aint x )
1923064;1563373291;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, it still blows my mind how i keep coming to agree with this man notwithstanding i never seem to like him very much
1923065;1563373354;asciilifeform;from asciilifeform's pov, this is actually gold standard for correctness. and if i find myself ~liking~ + agreeing, then suspicious, 'is argument really solid'
1923066;1563373364;mp_en_viaje;it's like being back in school, and teacher saying stupid dumb shit and you sitting down to figure it out and annoyingly discover it's merely counterintuitive, but absolutely not dumb shit.
1923067;1563373375;mp_en_viaje;then again i suppose that's what college even fucking is in the first place.
1923068;1563373385;asciilifeform;was, at any rate.
1923069;1563373406;mp_en_viaje;well, yeah, back when sex was sex and rape was rape and food food and etcetera, college also was college.
1923070;1563373506;*;asciilifeform raged, frothed, when 1st read naggum. sorta like when later 1st read mp_en_viaje , and so on
1923071;1563373515;asciilifeform;... then ate whole archive.
1923072;1563373551;asciilifeform;still not eaten all of mp_en_viaje's tho, i'm slow in ro. maybe will live long enuff, eat.
1923073;1563373597;asciilifeform;mine fwiw is 100x+ smaller. but iirc the only fella who admitted to eating all of it, was gabriel_laddel, and he went mad.
1923074;1563373620;asciilifeform;( or, perhaps ate ~after~ went mad ? no one will know )
1923075;1563373676;*;asciilifeform brb:teatime.
1923076;1563373806;mp_en_viaje;hahaha
1923077;1563373832;mp_en_viaje;i'm waiting for you to die, in any case. then will loper-os.org. adnotated.
1923078;1563374199;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-17#1922965 << this wasn't the original hardware ; merely emulated on contemporary hardware. dood had a terminal open on his modern pc
1923079;1563374199;a111;Logged on 2019-07-17 12:31 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-17#1922941 << afaik all the airlines still are using the ~physically same~ ibm mainframes as in 1990. ( simply, in 'civilized' world, the agents run 'terminal' proggy under microshit. whereas in orclands, ye olde ibm glass terminals. i saw one in e.g. argentina, in coupla places )
1923080;1563374863;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-17#1923008 << My apologies here.  It was ill conceived to mention it at all.
1923081;1563374863;a111;Logged on 2019-07-17 13:52 mp_en_viaje: get the fucking shit aligned or stop talking about it altogether. it's either abandoned, in which case, it is not mentioned ; or it is not abandoned, in which case it is fixed.
1923082;1563374928;mp_en_viaje;maybe just make it a patch ? or whatever, i get that you mean well, but sometimes you manage to always get your fingers caught under this sort of furniture.
1923083;1563374936;mp_en_viaje;what's on your workbench these days anyways ?
1923084;1563374936;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-17#1923012 << It's this old thing: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-November/000241.html
1923085;1563374936;a111;Logged on 2019-07-17 13:53 asciilifeform: mod6 when you wake up -- wtf was this ?
1923086;1563375178;mod6;mp_en_viaje: Yeah, have good intent, wanting to be helpful.  However, I need to think through some of these things a bit better.  Exercise more restraint and caution on such things.
1923087;1563375229;mod6;Recently, on workbench, I've been trying to build up TRB on cuntoo; and most recently (last month) dipping my toe into creating ebuilds.
1923088;1563375369;mod6;I created one for ave1s musltronic tools (which won't fit the bill yet, because of circular dep. of GNAT), one for diana_coman's Vtools (which may not fit the bill 100% either, yet), and one for TRB.
1923089;1563375429;mod6;But overall the focus has been to put forth directed effort into getting us over to cuntoo so we can stop using all of the buildroot things, and supporting debian, et. al.
1923090;1563375594;mod6;The idea being, once we're moved over to cuntoo, using keccak vtools & a keccak trb vtree, then the Foundation can go back to discussion of various patches that have been waiting in the lobby for some time.
1923091;1563375621;mod6;(We placed a halt on adding non-keccak vpatches last year.)
1923092;1563376013;mod6;(Also, should mention, I did see that diana_coman is working on her own ebuild, which is awesome, will most def. supersede what I was tinkering with last month.)
1923093;1563377547;diana_coman;mod6: mine so far would be "curl" alone so perfectly fine alongside yours since you say you are doing much heavier lifting there
1923094;1563377641;mod6;Hi diana_coman!  Let me post what I did (simply as a discussion point - example), for those whom are following along: http://www.mod6.net/cuntoo/test/ebuilds/starter_v-99993.ebuild
1923095;1563377781;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-17#1923053 - funnily enough not even *just* the playing; kid pleaded and asked so in the end got him through ~20 lines of Ada doing a little "guess the number" text-game and he's more hooked to mess around with it than with heroes because obv "can look inside"
1923096;1563377781;a111;Logged on 2019-07-17 14:16 mp_en_viaje: however, if you sit down to play gothic, or kb or any fucking one thing it'll be time spent playing, full screen, immersed
1923097;1563377917;diana_coman;ah, yours is a proper ebuild mod6 but shouldn't it notify of dependency on gnat i.e. it should basically install that one too first?
1923098;1563377950;diana_coman;at any rate, the current discussion is re including the source in the vpatch and being done with it since otherwise the ebuild by itself is no guarantee that "it'll always be there"
1923099;1563377992;mp_en_viaje;mod6, didn't run into diana_coman 's cuntoo genesis problem then ?
1923100;1563378037;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: his is just the ebuild aka no sources; the ebuild downloads the source from my site so in this sense yes, it'll always be there
1923101;1563378051;diana_coman;but this reduces to "have republican repo2
1923102;1563378054;diana_coman;"
1923103;1563378062;mp_en_viaje;why do it like this tho
1923104;1563378071;mod6;Yes, it ~should~ depend on the musltronic_tools ebuild, it does need more testing though to ensure I have the proper useage of RDEPEND.  Yeah, I did see the earlier discussion of including the source; I agree with that,
1923105;1563378083;diana_coman;I'm waiting on trinque to find out really.
1923106;1563378097;mp_en_viaje;we need to stress the vtree toolchain into sufficiency anyway.
1923107;1563378147;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, the "include source in vpatch" is not merely re dependency, it's also "how do i meaningfully patch against absent code ?" and even "how the fuck am i supposed to display this ??"
1923108;1563378155;mp_en_viaje;ie, non vpatched material is not opened in any sense.
1923109;1563378157;mod6;was thinking that perhaps you were headed in that direction.
1923110;1563378190;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: had same thought re that kernel patch -- wtf to do with it, it aint a vpatch, nao need genesis of kernel, so then which, etc
1923111;1563378198;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: quite.
1923112;1563378221;*;mod6 re-reads
1923113;1563378295;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, myeah. but the "nao which" must be answered.
1923114;1563378331;mp_en_viaje;and, as imo republican experience has well shown any and all, way the fuck better a firm answer, even if turns out mistaken and has to be chanced, than no answer.
1923115;1563378336;mp_en_viaje;changed*
1923116;1563378356;asciilifeform;absolutely must, there's no other way to properly civilize it
1923117;1563378548;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: currently thinking, oughta genesis'em together. ( and at same time snip out errything from kernel that aint relevant to the sim-arch. ) and ~then~ if someone thinks he absolutely must sit down said kernel on some other irons , ~he~ can then put back the necessary routines.
1923118;1563378567;asciilifeform;( 'them' being tmsr-mips-kernel and tmsrmips.asm )
1923119;1563378640;asciilifeform;in the interest of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919467 .
1923120;1563378640;a111;Logged on 2019-06-22 21:52 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i described this in the orig ifdefism thread. the solution is to stop pretending that coad worx on boxen where no one in living memory had ever tested it and signed.
1923121;1563378767;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, conceivably.
1923122;1563378771;mp_en_viaje;in any case anything is better than nothing.
1923123;1563378855;asciilifeform;the other variant is to do a la trb, genesis e.g. 3.70.16 (arbitrary, happens to be what i had around during 1st test) and ~then~ cut, a la trb. but it is gargantuan , would make trb genesis look microscopic in comparison, viewing the genesis patch in e.g. phf's viewer will prolly crash most www browser..
1923124;1563378872;asciilifeform;err, 3.16.70
1923125;1563379249;asciilifeform;will add, all of this doesn't even close the circle unless also genesis gcc.
1923126;1563379347;mp_en_viaje;so we know we need to fix browser / see which work etc
1923127;1563379351;mp_en_viaje;there is NO WAY AROUND THIS
1923128;1563379362;mp_en_viaje;we will not be designing buildings by the hammers available.
1923129;1563379388;asciilifeform;granted wwwtron really oughta be able to display a physical-ram-sized ball o'yard w/out crashing
1923130;1563379405;asciilifeform;separate q is whether such a thing can be considered 'human-readable' tho.
1923131;1563379416;asciilifeform;*yarn
1923132;1563379590;asciilifeform;in principle 'anything possible' ; recall german gun 'bertha', 'dora', etc. series. 3000 men, 400 camp whores, however many technicians, 4 railroad tracks, battalion of railroad engineers to lay track in front of it so can move... but in what sense is 'field' artillery.
1923133;1563380190;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-7-things-to-expect-in-our-brave-new-world-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - 7 Things To Expect In Our Brave New World. Adnotated.
1923134;1563381014;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-17#1923077 << a+++ -- if could, would read!
1923135;1563381014;a111;Logged on 2019-07-17 14:30 mp_en_viaje: i'm waiting for you to die, in any case. then will loper-os.org. adnotated.
1923136;1563381075;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-17#1923078 << fwiw good % of the 'working moving parts' of usa work on these. e.g. certain insurance co's, other items personally witnessed. 'where is the proggy' 'right here, runs vt100 emu, connects to ibm360 downstairs'
1923137;1563381075;a111;Logged on 2019-07-17 14:36 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-17#1922965 << this wasn't the original hardware ; merely emulated on contemporary hardware. dood had a terminal open on his modern pc
1923138;1563381506;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-17#1923088 << the circular situation of gnat , where 'need gnat to build gnat', is the third reason for the mips approach -- arch with 100 fixed-length instructions, simplify the eventual rewriting of backend so can ditch gcc dep.
1923139;1563381506;a111;Logged on 2019-07-17 14:56 mod6: I created one for ave1s musltronic tools (which won't fit the bill yet, because of circular dep. of GNAT), one for diana_coman's Vtools (which may not fit the bill 100% either, yet), and one for TRB.
1923140;1563381634;asciilifeform;incidentally, seems like asciilifeform is not the 1st or the 100th to think of this : turned up that in ru, from early 2000s, and entirely unrelated to the hyped 'elbrus' & co, they've been making rad-hard realtime box 'baget' on mips1.
1923141;1563381674;asciilifeform;interesting architectural approach, also, 2 cpu, 1 runs a unixlike, the other -- a handwritten asm thing that actually talks to the iron, and presents self as 'iron' to the unixturd
1923142;1563381681;*;diana_coman imagines asciilifeform-ghost coming back purely to read the adnotated loper-os.org
1923143;1563381686;asciilifeform;sorta like in tmsrmips.asm ...
1923144;1563381701;asciilifeform;diana_coman: would if could!
1923145;1563381708;asciilifeform;who wouldn't.
1923146;1563381733;asciilifeform;e.g. old man naggum -- evidently moar 'alive' nao than when alive..
1923147;1563388530;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-17#1923130 << thing is, until we put the cowhide on the table, we don't really know wtf is even wanted or needed
1923148;1563388530;a111;Logged on 2019-07-17 16:03 asciilifeform: separate q is whether such a thing can be considered 'human-readable' tho.
1923149;1563388549;mp_en_viaje;shoe-sized table works for well understood processes, and even there kinda...
1923150;1563388703;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-17#1923132 << you mean like the paris gun ?
1923151;1563388703;a111;Logged on 2019-07-17 16:06 asciilifeform: in principle 'anything possible' ; recall german gun 'bertha', 'dora', etc. series. 3000 men, 400 camp whores, however many technicians, 4 railroad tracks, battalion of railroad engineers to lay track in front of it so can move... but in what sense is 'field' artillery.
1923152;1563388720;mp_en_viaje;iirc big bertha were just tracked mortars, not even that big, <10ton
1923153;1563389581;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: paris. and sevastopol. an' possibly elsewhere
1923154;1563389592;mp_en_viaje;aha
1923155;1563389720;asciilifeform;!#s schwerer gustav
1923156;1563389720;a111;3 results for "schwerer gustav", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=schwerer%20gustav
1923157;1563389725;asciilifeform;oh ha.
1923158;1563390133;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-17#1923132 << 400 whores seems like a bit much for only 3000 men
1923159;1563390133;a111;Logged on 2019-07-17 16:06 asciilifeform: in principle 'anything possible' ; recall german gun 'bertha', 'dora', etc. series. 3000 men, 400 camp whores, however many technicians, 4 railroad tracks, battalion of railroad engineers to lay track in front of it so can move... but in what sense is 'field' artillery.
1923160;1563390326;bvt;hello. I will try to finish the ffa work from the workplan over next two days. i had some meatspace interference that stole a few work hours.
1923161;1563390426;bvt;re korzhen, his son's www has english version of the story http://www.korzhan.art/biography.html
1923162;1563392620;asciilifeform;bvt: found it earlier, comment is currently in mp_en_viaje's modqueue
1923163;1563392653;mp_en_viaje;no ?
1923164;1563392682;mp_en_viaje;it was published hours ago!
1923165;1563392698;asciilifeform;oh ha my cache -- old
1923166;1563392710;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2019/%d0%a3%d1%81%d1%85%d0%be%d0%b4%d0%bd%d1%96%d1%8f-%d0%bc%d0%be%d0%b3%d1%96%d0%bb%d0%ba%d1%96-%d0%9c%d0%b0%d1%81%d0%ba%d0%be%d1%9e%d1%81%d0%ba%d1%96-%d0%9c%d1%96%d0%bd%d1%81%d0%ba-aka-the-eastern-cem/#comment-129893 << ther.
1923167;1563398558;BingoBoingo;I think I've found peak self important Argentine derpery: https://archive.is/wRbNu 1. Expecting Uruguay to act agaisnt a fishing vessel Argentina doesn't like because Argentina's charges against the boat are "public knowledge" though entirely domestic to Argentina. 2. Sticking to the Malvinas and trying to insist Uruguay derp with them over some British sheep islands not named New Zealand.
1923168;1563398661;BingoBoingo;"Que las relaciones entre el gobierno de ocupación de las Islas Malvinas y Uruguay son fluidas y con un importante intercambio comercial en materia pesquera es conocido por todos. Incluso empresarios y funcionarios británicos se han referido a los uruguayos como sus socios estratégicos. Pero hasta ahora, nunca un funcionario del gobierno uruguayo se había referido a las islas como territorio inglés."
1923169;1563400479;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/07/more-server-bmc-woes-today-lenovo-and-gigabyte/ << Qntra -- More Server BMC Woes: Today Lenovo And Gigabyte
1923170;1563400625;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in [http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-02#1846900][envirowhinerism] noose : asciilifeform uncrated a 'window' type air conditioner to help in torture room; and found 1) cost ~2x than last time bought one 2) plastered with 'explosion hazard' warnings. apparently europistan banned ~all~ freons, new-type, old type, and as result EVERYONE gets cooling compressors fulla... butane. 3) internal insulation is... styrofoam. the white,
1923171;1563400625;a111;Logged on 2018-09-02 16:51 asciilifeform: it isn't any moar outrageous than the butane-filled refrigerator BingoBoingo found himself with
1923172;1563400625;asciilifeform;brittle kind, like mcfood containers.
1923173;1563400673;BingoBoingo;Well, isobutane is a good refrigerant.
1923174;1563400696;BingoBoingo;The styrofoam bit sucks though
1923175;1563400722;asciilifeform;good, i suppose, until lit.
1923176;1563400740;BingoBoingo;depends on the circumstances of the lighting
1923177;1563400778;asciilifeform;oh and lol , apparently not butane, but a flammable fluorocarbon (!), decomposes into hf when burn
1923178;1563400781;asciilifeform;[https://archive.is/aWW04][see also this horror] re subj.
1923179;1563400838;BingoBoingo;LOL, ended up with worse than my isobutane
1923180;1563402011;asciilifeform;interestingly, the use of flammable refrigerants was specifically banned in building codes. errywhere. holdover from early 1900s. today -- amended, and... mandatory
1923181;1563402043;asciilifeform;'envirowhinerism trifecta : expensive, shoddy, deadly'(tm)(r)(uncle al)
1923182;1563403106;BingoBoingo;Well, primus stoves burn how many women in pakistan every year
1923183;1563403167;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 'blinded by primus' was a not-infrequent thing in [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-27#1920328][era-1 sovok]
1923184;1563403167;a111;Logged on 2019-06-27 13:48 asciilifeform: on top of this, add the fact that sovok was really 4 separate items, as diff. as e.g. roman 'kings' period vs republic vs empire : 1) lenin epoch 2) stalin 3) hrusch 4) 'stagnation' and wrap-up.
1923185;1563403453;BingoBoingo;I'm rather surprised the primus thing isn't a more common artifact down here. They are around, but I guess most of the kerosene goes to the airport.
1923186;1563403472;asciilifeform;i defo saw at least 1 at that flea market
1923187;1563403579;BingoBoingo;They are here for sure
1923188;1563403597;BingoBoingo;Just the LPG thing really took off here
1923189;1563403807;BingoBoingo;Anyways, Petrobras just ended their dispute with the local trabajadores by dumping the piped gas network on the government
1923190;1563421086;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in [http://trilema.com/2014/fuck-africa-or-exploration-in-the-idiocy-of-the-crowd/][trilema lotto] .
1923191;1563422297;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, you know i coincidentally had just that tab open ?
1923192;1563422613;asciilifeform;lol
1923193;1563422755;mp_en_viaje;but i'll see your modern africa and trade you [http://trilema.com/2013/about-trading-and-value/][historical america]
1923194;1563422973;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-17#1923138 << yep, it's what's inhibiting my otherwise natural and arguably required "holy shit wtf is this weird, stop now" reaction.
1923195;1563422973;a111;Logged on 2019-07-17 16:38 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-17#1923088 << the circular situation of gnat , where 'need gnat to build gnat', is the third reason for the mips approach -- arch with 100 fixed-length instructions, simplify the eventual rewriting of backend so can ditch gcc dep.
1923196;1563423226;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-17#1923146 << sad fact of the matter, ballas has significant advantage over naggum on purely procedural grounds -- had enough fucking sense to make himself blog.
1923197;1563423226;a111;Logged on 2019-07-17 16:42 asciilifeform: e.g. old man naggum -- evidently moar 'alive' nao than when alive..
1923198;1563423226;mp_en_viaje;much like [http://trilema.com/2019/%D0%A3%D1%81%D1%85%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%BD%D1%96%D1%8F-%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B3%D1%96%D0%BB%D0%BA%D1%96-%D0%9C%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%9E%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%96-%D0%9C%D1%96%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA-aka-the-eastern-cem/#selection-505.0-511.7][viktor vs anatoli] situation, come to think of it.
1923199;1563425593;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-18#1923194 << if mp_en_viaje or anyone else can think of less ugly pill for described problem, i'm all ears, cuz indeed this one's barbaric
1923200;1563425593;a111;Logged on 2019-07-18 04:09 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-17#1923138 << yep, it's what's inhibiting my otherwise natural and arguably required "holy shit wtf is this weird, stop now" reaction.
1923201;1563426077;asciilifeform;ftr i want to see x86 and arm die , properly, and cremated, they belong in same place as winblows. srsly wtf, picture 'alphabet' of 700 symbols, that's x86..
1923202;1563426127;asciilifeform;or what even means to audit a binturd in arch where jumping into middle of instruction is permitted.
1923203;1563426180;asciilifeform;or the nightmare of endianized byte-addressing permitted in ~every~ inst that refs mem. ( again x86. )
1923204;1563426219;asciilifeform;at some pt somebody's gonna have to audit a snapshot of bin gnat. which wouldja rather ?
1923205;1563426231;*;asciilifeform to bed 
1923206;1563441654;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-8-characteristics-of-family-annihilators-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - 8 Characteristics of Family Annihilators. Adnotated.
1923207;1563451680;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-abusive-teens-force-their-girlfriends-to-get-pregnant-dont-let-the-truth-get-in-the-way-of-a-good-story-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Abusive Teens Force Their Girlfriends To Get Pregnant! (Don't Let The Truth Get In The Way Of A Good Story). Adnotated.
1923208;1563460145;feedbot;http://bvt-trace.net/2019/07/unrolled-x86_64-assembly-multiplication-for-updated-to-ch-14-ffa/ << bvt's backtrace -- Unrolled x86_64 Assembly Multiplication for updated to Ch. 14 FFA
1923209;1563464740;phf;mp_en_viaje: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ZPWlp/?raw=true
1923210;1563464812;girlattorney;hi
1923211;1563464825;mp_en_viaje;ello
1923212;1563464842;mp_en_viaje;phf, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/qKDZF/?raw=true
1923213;1563465172;phf;mp_en_viaje: ack, plan works
1923214;1563465182;*;phf afk
1923215;1563465185;mp_en_viaje;cool.
1923216;1563465329;girlattorney;so, tried with many attempts to restart TRB and hoping it could fully sync. No fucking way. And at every shutdown (with ctrl - c) always a painful writing process of at least 50 gb, taking 30 minutes or so
1923217;1563465372;girlattorney;It's almost like TRB telling me: you're too poor to spend your time trying running me, do something different in your time
1923218;1563465423;asciilifeform;girlattorney: who do you have in your -addnode list ?
1923219;1563465438;girlattorney;every pal listed on thebitcoin.foundation
1923220;1563465451;girlattorney;http://thebitcoin.foundation/trusted-nodes.html
1923221;1563465757;girlattorney;and even if i was stuck a dozen of blocks behind the general block height, the connection with the other peers was still present, just producing garbage in debug.log
1923222;1563465820;asciilifeform;girlattorney: post the garbage ?
1923223;1563465838;girlattorney;well, mempool rejected transactions etc...
1923224;1563465912;asciilifeform;girlattorney: didja read [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-16#1922815][the log] re subj ?
1923225;1563465912;a111;Logged on 2019-07-16 14:39 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-16#1922586 << ftr , is because of >> http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-16#1922649 .
1923226;1563465935;girlattorney;yes, still don't be able to catch the latest blocks
1923227;1563465958;girlattorney;and the amount of writes that TRB does with or without swap is insane
1923228;1563465961;asciilifeform;by how many behind ? and from where do you know the current height ?
1923229;1563466003;girlattorney;bitnodes + a friend node running core
1923230;1563466011;asciilifeform;re writes, bdb sits the index on disk, so naturally writes
1923231;1563466063;girlattorney;bdb sits the index on disk, that's ok, but i got the impression that to archive 1MB it needs to write like 1GB
1923232;1563466088;asciilifeform;girlattorney: if this were in fact the case, my ssd would live for a week and not 2yrs.
1923233;1563466095;asciilifeform;ditch the virtualhosting thing.
1923234;1563466111;girlattorney;the pc is mine
1923235;1563466115;girlattorney;no virtualhost
1923236;1563466293;asciilifeform;girlattorney: can you describe exact setup ? (i.e. how determined '# writes', how disabled swap)
1923237;1563466305;girlattorney;i determine the writes using iotop
1923238;1563466328;girlattorney;i disabled the swap by not having it
1923239;1563466398;girlattorney;i'm very near to setup my blog to post screenshot and other stuff about the setup
1923240;1563466436;asciilifeform;girlattorney: post plz your last half MB or so of trb log
1923241;1563466457;girlattorney;ok just a moment
1923242;1563466653;girlattorney;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/pUDEt/?raw=true
1923243;1563466705;asciilifeform;that's nowhere near half MB..
1923244;1563466733;girlattorney;just like the one that i posted repeated till half MB
1923245;1563466756;asciilifeform;repeated?!
1923246;1563466769;girlattorney;with same lines over and over
1923247;1563466780;girlattorney;(ERROR: BANNED, etc...)
1923248;1563466787;asciilifeform;this is not 'same' lol
1923249;1563466859;asciilifeform;i wanted to see when was last time you got block, and from where
1923250;1563466887;girlattorney;i think that half MB won't be enough
1923251;1563466894;girlattorney;cause it got stuck for many hours
1923252;1563466905;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: lemme know if you want this thread moved to #a
1923253;1563466907;girlattorney;maybe with grep i could scratch something
1923254;1563466926;mp_en_viaje;if she'll follow you why not.
1923255;1563466943;asciilifeform;threatens to be long and uninteresting to erryone else.
1923256;1563466950;girlattorney;this channel it's for what specifically?
1923257;1563466971;mp_en_viaje;the lordship.
1923258;1563467596;girlattorney;i think that the large number of writes could be a problem in the long term
1923259;1563468062;asciilifeform;[http://logs.bvulpes.com/asciilifeform?d=2019-7-18#472882][thread moved to #a] .
1923260;1563468129;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/apocatastasis/ << Trilema -- Apocatastasis
1923261;1563471373;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/07/iran-detains-tanker-for-smuggling-fuel-in-persian-gulf/ << Qntra -- Iran Detains Tanker For Smuggling Fuel In Persian Gulf
1923262;1563471592;girlattorney;another question that i think belong here. Tried to read the logs but haven't found enough clarity. When Bitcoin should scale the blocksize?
1923263;1563471615;girlattorney;and is there a consensus about how much it should be raised?
1923264;1563471800;asciilifeform;girlattorney: see mp_en_viaje's http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/ .
1923265;1563471809;girlattorney;thanks
1923266;1563471841;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, can has link to your original lohatronarticle ?
1923267;1563471875;asciilifeform;1s
1923268;1563471889;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1446 .
1923269;1563471906;mp_en_viaje;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1446 found ya!
1923270;1563471907;mp_en_viaje;ty!
1923271;1563472515;girlattorney;From the article i read "In any case, a word to the wise : if you are designing ASIC chips, and you are not including the possibility of feeding a bitfield like this in blocks, you are deliberately ensuring failure not just for yourself, but for your customers as well. This change WILL eventually come in, start planning accordingly, today. ["
1923272;1563472544;girlattorney;but i see the article is from 2016
1923273;1563472547;girlattorney;what i'm missing?
1923274;1563472800;mp_en_viaje;what do you mean missing ?
1923275;1563472946;mp_en_viaje;in other lulz, anyone recall the 1918 narkomprod trying to "organise the peasants" into an orange revolution, only to discover that, contrary to marxism-leninism, poor peasants do not actually hate rich peasants ; not to mention have exactly the same interests.
1923276;1563472972;BingoBoingo;girlattorney: You aren't missing much. The protocol isn't changing any time soon for reasons largely explained by handicaps inflicted by Mandarin language's tendency to try insulating against the future.
1923277;1563472976;girlattorney;First of all, do you really expect millionaire businesses such as bitmain or bitfury to support a fork that instantly invalidates many millions of already-in-production ASICs?
1923278;1563473009;mp_en_viaje;girlattorney, nobody asked them anything ; not in 2013, not in 2016, not now and not for the foreseeavble future.
1923279;1563473013;mp_en_viaje;they do what they're told.
1923280;1563473134;asciilifeform;girlattorney: [http://qntra.net/2015/01/the-hard-fork-missile-crisis/][older article re subj, with illustration of the business end of the punishment weapon.]
1923281;1563473204;girlattorney;Also, what's the problem in the nodes not being rewarded from being just nodes? If I want to run a serious business I'll need a node, otherwise i can stick with a third party wallet such as primedice or deedbot
1923282;1563473306;asciilifeform;girlattorney: problem, as such, is that right now there are maybe two dozen btc nodes (actual, working ones, w/out segshitness etc) and most of'em belong to the folx here.
1923283;1563473357;asciilifeform;and 99,999...% of their cpu cycles spent rejecting rubbish from the 9000 'nodes' running nsaware.
1923284;1563473365;BingoBoingo;At present its too easy for Bezos customers to spin up things that superficially act almost like nodes.
1923285;1563473393;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=pseudonode
1923286;1563473415;asciilifeform;( other half of problem is -- miners mining w/out actual working node. but this is elaborated in the logs, will not repeat )
1923287;1563473428;BingoBoingo;"To the network, PseudoNode behaves the same way as a full node by relaying transactions, blocks, addresses, etc. However, unlike a normal full node, PseudoNode does not verify data (txs & blocks) itself. Rather, PseudoNode relies on neighboring peers (with configurable confidence levels) to do the verification on PseudoNode's behalf. As a result, PseudoNode is very lightweight."
1923288;1563473475;girlattorney;but let's say the following: you get a core (prb) node, you set a minrelaytxfee very high, so you don't propagate at all, just include what new blocks have because you have to (to stay up to date)
1923289;1563473476;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/07/pulpit-lobby-hounds-circle-k-into-retracting-romantic-deal-offered-for-secretary-day/ << Qntra -- Pulpit Lobby Hounds Circle K Into Retracting Romantic Deal Offered For 'Secretary Day'
1923290;1563473485;girlattorney;you use just legacy addresses
1923291;1563473523;girlattorney;you still are on a core node, but even if you aren't completely ignoring segwit shit, you aren't touching it directly
1923292;1563473556;asciilifeform;girlattorney: will still be banned by any working trb node, on acct of sending nonclassical protocol cmds (bloom filter garbage etc)
1923293;1563473559;asciilifeform;and correctly.
1923294;1563473595;BingoBoingo;Also recent NSAware nodes insist on encrypted tunneling to connect to other nodes
1923295;1563473624;BingoBoingo;Nevermind the things nodes pass to other nodes are not the seekrit things
1923296;1563473644;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: lol, hearn's old thing , the cocktail where tried to slip heartbleed in
1923297;1563473654;girlattorney;BingoBoingo can you rephrase about tunneling? Do you mean they use ssl to connect?
1923298;1563473679;asciilifeform;girlattorney: are you familiar with the actual purpose of sslism ?
1923299;1563473698;BingoBoingo;girlattorney: It's been a while since I looked into it, but I believe if the version string on a peer is greater than X, they insist on SSL'ing
1923300;1563473700;girlattorney;asciilifeform i know that it's centralized. A couple of CA that runs the game
1923301;1563473721;asciilifeform;girlattorney: that's half the story, yes. other half it that it's ~100MB of unauditable obfuscated-c liquishit.
1923302;1563473726;asciilifeform;!#s heartbleed
1923303;1563473726;a111;159 results for "heartbleed", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=heartbleed
1923304;1563473728;asciilifeform;^ see also.
1923305;1563473733;girlattorney;thanks
1923306;1563473898;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-academics-hide-drug-company-payments-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Academics Hide Drug Company Payments. Adnotated.
1923307;1563474014;girlattorney;mp_en_viaje i'm re-reading the messages, what do you mean by saying this? http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-16#1922517
1923308;1563474014;a111;Logged on 2019-07-16 11:19 mp_en_viaje: girlattorney, your notion of identity is not adequate for the situation you're dealing with.
1923309;1563474108;girlattorney;i was asking about where a TRB node fetch the blocks, if all of the TRB nodes are only interconnected with themselves
1923310;1563474200;asciilifeform;girlattorney: simple logical inference (there's a number of publicly advertised trb nodes; most of'em agree with heathendom re the height) points to : no, not 'only with themselves' dunnit.
1923311;1563474271;BingoBoingo;Playing with the version string on a TRB node is the fastest and simplest way to change the sorts of peers your node encounters in the wild
1923312;1563474272;asciilifeform;answr to given puzzle is very simple -- most of the supposed btc net, consists not of nodes, but of equivalent to sand in engine's crankcase.
1923313;1563474279;asciilifeform;most -- but not all.
1923314;1563474334;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: fwiw none of the nodes i've operated were ever set to masquerade as prb (other than in the 0.9999... aspect)
1923315;1563474360;asciilifeform;blocks -- still arrive.
1923316;1563474412;girlattorney;but i could argue with this: when i do bootstrap a core node, it actually get fed from other core nodes
1923317;1563474444;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I notice when I drop the version number down enough I'll get a wider number of version strings in my peerslist
1923318;1563474496;asciilifeform;girlattorney: 'core' (aka prb) when bootstrapping, asks randomly selected peer for 'headers' and eats'em on faith. afterwards does same with blocks (none of which it bothers to actually verify, in the traditional sense)
1923319;1563474497;girlattorney;so i can effectively say that i'm receiving blocks from other nodes, they aren't just connecting and stay silent. They are sending me blocks.
1923320;1563474501;asciilifeform;this gives illusion of 'fast sync'
1923321;1563474502;BingoBoingo;<girlattorney> but i could argue with this: when i do bootstrap a core node, it actually get fed from other core nodes << During initial sync trb wants to receive blocks in order while core will intentionally spray blocks out of order
1923322;1563474600;asciilifeform;girlattorney: see also [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-16#1922649][earlier thrd], and [http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=orphanage][past] .
1923323;1563474600;a111;Logged on 2019-07-16 12:52 asciilifeform: trb, unlike prb, does not accept blocks 'on credit' (i.e. ones for whom the antecedent block is not yet on the disk)
1923324;1563474642;girlattorney;asciilifeform i'm aware of the fast sync part. Just saying that when i sync a node i actually get data from other prb nodes. I'm not getting garbage or errors, and I think (not being technically able unfortunately) that you could modify prb to verify all the blocks, and eventually discard the excess if I reecived them in sprayed order
1923325;1563474677;asciilifeform;girlattorney: 'discard excess' in trb algo is ANYTHING received when its antecedent is absent.
1923326;1563474708;asciilifeform;this includes e.g. a block whose parent was not yet seen; a tx whose antecedent input(s) not yet seen .
1923327;1563474785;asciilifeform;prb had 'orphanage' mechanism where it accepted antecedent-less inputs 'on faith'. this opens node both to memory exhaustion and algorithmic complexity attack (i.e. crafted input can prompt machine into wasting arbitrary amt of memory, + arbitrary amt of cpu cycle walking it)
1923328;1563474839;girlattorney;asciilifeform that's nice to hear, so it has been kept simple for the sake of security, correct?
1923329;1563474846;asciilifeform;[http://btcbase.org/patches/asciilifeform_orphanage_thermonuke][i personally removed this nonsense], as 1 of the opening shots of trb story.
1923330;1563474903;asciilifeform;the obvious cost is somewhat slower from-empty-disk sync. cuz, naturally, nao you can only process block in strict order.
1923331;1563475122;asciilifeform;girlattorney: prb will in fact [http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-30#1867761][happily eat and relay crafted malformed blocks] .
1923332;1563475122;a111;Logged on 2018-10-30 18:16 asciilifeform: more interestingly, there was even 1 of 10/30/18 17:05:41 ERROR: ProcessBlock() : CheckBlock FAILED from peer 213.148.193.153
1923333;1563475144;asciilifeform;and nonsensical tx.
1923334;1563475281;asciilifeform;( not to mention, even when relaying actual bitcoin blocks & tx, blows gigatonnes of bandwidth on nonsense inserted by wreckers as prelude to their bigblockism scheme of '15 , e.g. bloomism )
1923335;1563475334;girlattorney;could be written on trb a feature that enable / disable mempool?
1923336;1563475347;girlattorney;for a saner bootstrap?
1923337;1563475376;asciilifeform;girlattorney: there is not currently such a knob. no one has felt pressing desire for it; if you wanna submit patch -- folx will read.
1923338;1563475431;asciilifeform;the 'reject peers sending garbage' mechanism is [http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-30#1574815][also mine]. trb did not always have it. i submitted it for inclusion to mod6's flagship after determining that it results in substantially improved performance across the board (i.e. peers sending bloomism are, statistically, an unlikely source of the-next-block)
1923339;1563475431;a111;Logged on 2016-11-30 19:46 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/patches/malleus_mikehearnificarum
1923340;1563475483;girlattorney;as already told: i appreciate that TRB exist even if i still not able to using it. However reading logs when syncing has been a pain and i thought that mempool during syncing could create just overhead
1923341;1563475495;asciilifeform;it does.
1923342;1563475508;asciilifeform;the other side of the medal, is that a trb node spends only small portion of its life in initial sync.
1923343;1563475520;girlattorney;28 days...
1923344;1563475522;asciilifeform;( often -- 0, people tend to stand'em up via eatblock )
1923345;1563475576;girlattorney;if you have no wot, and you are on your own, and you rely on the goodwill of the republican nodes, currently you wait 28 nodes
1923346;1563475590;asciilifeform;girlattorney: my current personal node was synced from-empty in '17, and running 24/7 since. (prior -- dead ssd. prior -- another 2y of continuous operation.)
1923347;1563475619;asciilifeform;so the 6 or so wks the sync takes, in this timeline are not imho significant.
1923348;1563475684;asciilifeform;girlattorney: there is not an escape from 'need wot'. consider, you had to get the proggy from somewhere.
1923349;1563475706;girlattorney;asciilifeform fair point and i hope in similar uptimes.
1923350;1563475737;asciilifeform;this is summary of why asciilifeform did not break back to try to optimize initial sync.
1923351;1563475779;asciilifeform;(it can be improved, potentially, but is very difficult to do without compromising integrity under concerted attack. and 'concerted attack' has been going 24/7 since late '14... )
1923352;1563475889;girlattorney;asciilifeform, about the blocksize once again: is there a real need on increasing over 1MB? since every "consensus" then create political debate with one horseman speaking for many, wouldn't be on the safe side just stay conservative till fees don't skyrocket permanently?
1923353;1563475918;asciilifeform;girlattorney: the supposed 'need' is 100% manufactured psyop, yes.
1923354;1563476006;asciilifeform;girlattorney: mp_en_viaje [http://trilema.com/2015/lets-address-some-of-the-more-common-pseudo-arguments-raised-by-the-very-stupid-people-that-like-the-gavin-scamcoin-proposal/][covered the subj] in very pedantic detail.
1923355;1563476052;*;mp_en_viaje waves
1923356;1563476125;*;asciilifeform gotta go and do chore; girlattorney : mp_en_viaje can answer most of these q's much better than i, supposing he has time atm .
1923357;1563476155;diana_coman;BingoBoingo: asciilifeform does the mp-wp install on a shared account with pizarro work with multiple authors?
1923358;1563476155;mp_en_viaje;well, i;m writing, but that notwithstanding, the answer's generally gonna be "read some stuff"
1923359;1563476156;girlattorney;thanks
1923360;1563476182;girlattorney;i have enough material to read for a couple of days
1923361;1563476222;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: It appears to work with multiple authors.
1923362;1563476223;girlattorney;asciilifeform will try tomorrow to troubleshoot on the other channel
1923363;1563476457;diana_coman;cool stuff, thank you BingoBoingo ; I'll give this a bit more thought to figure out if blog is best or enough but in principle it seems I'll have to park young new hands somewhere public so they can do their homework and atm I'm considering a shared account on Pizarro - would this be ok with Pizarro or do you see some problem with it/would rather not?
1923364;1563476495;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, you mean in preference of using your chan ?
1923365;1563476500;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: I don't see where it would cause a problem.
1923366;1563476526;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: no, not in preference; but so they write there their "I plan this; I did this; here's what is wrong and what is fine"
1923367;1563476532;diana_coman;basically the non-discussion but reporting thing
1923368;1563476549;diana_coman;since otherwise they go on github "blog" or whatevers, what sense is there
1923369;1563476551;mp_en_viaje;a yes.
1923370;1563476569;mp_en_viaje;sounds like a good idea really.
1923371;1563476581;BingoBoingo;mp-wp has a user management feature. As long as they are interacting with the shared account through mp-wp they shouldn't be setting up irc bouncers to draw aggro by evangelizing Pantsuited tonterias
1923372;1563476582;diana_coman;basically if they aren't yet old enough to have their blog fine, they can share the classroom blog, what
1923373;1563476616;diana_coman;cool, I'll mull it over a few more days and I'll get back to you
1923374;1563476626;mp_en_viaje;im pretty sure you can use mp-wo that way, yes.
1923375;1563476634;BingoBoingo;Seems like a work oriented take on http://trilema.com/2014/the-boy-blog-network/
1923376;1563476688;mp_en_viaje;this even exist[ed] on trilema : http://trilema.com/2009/predosloviie/ was originally published by an imaginary alt-author, Sf. Lefterie Mucenicul
1923377;1563476708;mp_en_viaje;if you remember that
1923378;1563476730;diana_coman;I knew I did it before but on standard wp and I hadn't looked at mp-wp
1923379;1563477502;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/birds-birds-birds-just-lookin-for-some-sugar-birds-birds-birds-just-lookin-for-a-crumb-ta-na-na-na-na-na/ << Trilema -- Birds, birds, birds, just lookin' for some sugar... birds, birds, birds, just lookin' for a crumb... ta na na na na na
1923380;1563478405;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/07/power-rangers-move-to-deperson-peter-todd-using-vague-allegations-of-sexual-misconduct-device/ << Qntra -- Power Rangers Move To Deperson Peter Todd Using Vague Allegations Of 'Sexual Misconduct' Device
1923381;1563478412;BingoBoingo;^ In what the power rangers are up to (Living in terror of the XY Pink Ranger, Vivir in Mierda(TM)(R))
1923382;1563478712;mp_en_viaje;keks
1923383;1563478823;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-30#1677707
1923384;1563478823;a111;Logged on 2017-06-30 17:27 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-30#1677323 << implying someone'd want to ; which...
1923385;1563479199;mp_en_viaje;lulcows, you know...
1923386;1563481720;asciilifeform;lol! was todd the fella with price on his head ? or was another
1923387;1563481783;asciilifeform;and wasn't isidora whatever the same chix who took Framedragger down to bottom of the sea ?
1923388;1563481788;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Another
1923389;1563481828;BingoBoingo;Yes an no. Yes Framedragger, no chix... XY thing
1923390;1563481847;asciilifeform;'An anonymous complaint was submitted to the MIT Bitcoin Expo in March for allowing Todd to speak' << 'по просьбе трудящихся'(tm)(r) !
1923391;1563481935;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, do you happen to recall the discussion re psychoactives, where i was like "whatever, trying to optimize your kernel by hitting cpyu with large hammer"
1923392;1563482054;asciilifeform;hmm
1923393;1563482166;asciilifeform;there was a http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-11#1641789 but iirc was earlier thrd
1923394;1563482166;a111;Logged on 2017-04-11 00:14 mircea_popescu: cocaine is the eminent example. it FEELS like it does things to you. it does not therefore HELP.
1923395;1563482198;asciilifeform;i think earliest discuss. was http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-25#808006 .
1923396;1563482198;a111;Logged on 2014-08-25 03:08 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's valid. a) erdos doesn't get his guidance from youtube ; b) most people taking it will scrub.
1923397;1563482254;mp_en_viaje;i think it was a 2015-2016 era item, possibly involving g_l either personally or in being
1923398;1563482331;mp_en_viaje;anyways. in other news ima be having brunch with phf tomorrow, if anyone wants me to hit him in the head for any reason let me know, i hear he's partly incapacitated anyway so it's the right time.
1923399;1563482441;asciilifeform;[http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-29#1744376][the, i think, canonical g_l 'performance dopes' thrd] .
1923400;1563482441;a111;Logged on 2017-11-29 19:02 gabriel_laddel: gtfo or do more drugs
1923401;1563482610;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: imho the hammer analogy is poor, tho -- i've 'optimized cpu' with... grinder (polish heat sink), other folx -- with liquid n2, etc. 'barbaric' manipulation can in some cases optimize fine mechanism . for some value of optimize.
1923402;1563482733;asciilifeform;chemist & ex-auschwitz fella primo levi had an essay, actually , re where errything a chemist does is 'elephant watchmaker' , i.e. 'blunt' manipulations which add up to desired effect on microscopically fine subject
1923403;1563482795;asciilifeform;( the typical g_l, as i understand, aint 'watchmaker elephant' , tho, but rather ordinary elephant. but this is possibly separate point. )
1923404;1563482939;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: so wait, isidora was a pseudo-chix ?
1923405;1563482947;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: AHA
1923406;1563482953;asciilifeform;had nfi
1923407;1563482967;asciilifeform;how does make 'sex scandal' with faux chix..?
1923408;1563482972;BingoBoingo;Neither did I
1923409;1563482984;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: how discovered this ?
1923410;1563482993;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> how does make 'sex scandal' with faux chix..? << Faux chicks create drama over the attention they aren't getting
1923411;1563483003;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Is in the linked, archived piece
1923412;1563483029;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-acadia-gives-up-on-adp-104-maybe-it-shouldnt-have-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Acadia Gives Up On ADP-104 -- Maybe It Shouldn't Have. Adnotated.
1923413;1563483039;asciilifeform;'transgender cryptographer' lol
1923414;1563483105;BingoBoingo;Unless the subject looks like Buck Angel, the man with a pussy or transmayogender... safe assumption is trans means pseudochick
1923415;1563487111;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-18#1923208 << notbad -- 4+ 4096bit modexp / second
1923416;1563487111;a111;Logged on 2019-07-18 14:29 feedbot: http://bvt-trace.net/2019/07/unrolled-x86_64-assembly-multiplication-for-updated-to-ch-14-ffa/ << bvt's backtrace -- Unrolled x86_64 Assembly Multiplication for updated to Ch. 14 FFA
1923417;1563487225;asciilifeform;( supposing 50% padding to payload -- this'd be 1024 bytes/sec of payload, i.e. quite enuff for a (compressed) voice conversation in realtime, say. )
1923418;1563487248;asciilifeform;using pure rsa.
1923419;1563487350;asciilifeform;== 8192 baud, if you like.
1923420;1563487734;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, sure, can. but can doesn't scale to will, and you ALWAYS know the difference.
1923421;1563487744;asciilifeform;re which
1923422;1563487749;mp_en_viaje;eg, i can'd my own brain earlier, by taking a sulpha rather than having a cold.
1923423;1563487753;asciilifeform;aa aaa the prev thrd
1923424;1563487759;asciilifeform;i thought was re 8192baud
1923425;1563487760;asciilifeform;lol
1923426;1563487761;mp_en_viaje;hurr durr, but this very much isn't equal to "ima lick all toads and see what happens"
1923427;1563487772;mp_en_viaje;because when can, you already know in advance what happens.
1923428;1563487881;asciilifeform;i think even g_l folk know, roughly, in advance, what will be effect
1923429;1563487999;asciilifeform;( in some industrial applications -- actually do not know in advance. in usa there is a 'national library of compounds' , coupla million synthetic rubbishes that literally no one had even fed to amoeba, much less to man. at one time asciilifeform's work consisted of uncrating $compound-of-the-day and brute force testing in vitro. but afaik dope people do not work from 'library', but from old 'mature tech' . )
1923430;1563488057;asciilifeform;( funnily enuff , these same featured in the [http://btcbase.org/log/2013-11-13#378370]['glove incident']. so occasionally 'in vivo' tested inadvertently.. )
1923431;1563488057;a111;Logged on 2013-11-13 14:22 asciilifeform: finally i notice she's wearing latex gloves.
1923432;1563490334;mp_en_viaje;in other lulz, apparently there does exist a neuroleptic that promotes weight loss rather than gain (molindone). had nfi.
1923433;1563496836;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-a-case-study-on-why-policy-changes-fail-pharma-paying-docs-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - A Case Study On Why Policy Changes Fail: Pharma Paying Docs. Adnotated.
1923434;1563498767;*;BingoBoingo awaits the rum fountain article's annotations
1923435;1563499291;asciilifeform;sooooo... loox like all things die. and [http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=nearlyfreespeech][nfs hosting co] finally went fullbore stupid. asciilifeform's www is hosed, they 'upgraded' php forcibly.
1923436;1563499673;*;asciilifeform put in what loox like a working workaround. if anyone sees barf , plox to write in. and will have to move the thing, i suspect, sooner than expected.
1923437;1563499931;asciilifeform;motherfuckers removed all human support, also, 'unless pay subscription, 30 $ up-front + 5/mo'
1923438;1563499948;asciilifeform;so there aint even to where send hate mail.
1923439;1563500054;*;asciilifeform reluctant to move www to piz, it's a fairly high traffic item, possibly adds up to half a trilema's (complete with regular ddosism)
1923440;1563500304;asciilifeform;[https://members.nearlyfreespeech.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10229][the idjicy, from horse's mouth.]
1923441;1563501214;asciilifeform;dropped [http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/xTYOo/?raw=true][this] in their 'member forum', fwiw.
1923442;1563501369;asciilifeform;it's almost as if they don't like money.
1923443;1563503400;asciilifeform;aaand [http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/FwQZj/?raw=true][their reply] .
1923444;1563503453;asciilifeform;most precious, 'As for WordPress, if your claim is that modern versions of WordPress are somehow less secure than older versions, that's also objectively incorrect, as shown by their release history and the number of fixes for security issues known to exist in older versions.' didjaknow !
1923445;1563503479;*;asciilifeform expected sumthing in this vein.
1923446;1563505135;BingoBoingo;Well, this was pretty much anything but unexpected
1923447;1563505164;asciilifeform;dunno, behaved sanely for 12+ years.
1923448;1563505174;asciilifeform;i suppose all death is expected.
1923449;1563505212;BingoBoingo;The NFS folks marketed a weird and persisted in man-aloning
1923450;1563505348;BingoBoingo;The surprise is that they did not simply say node.js or fuck you, to be discovered when their announcement in the form of a leaded chicom dildo materializes on your front stoop
1923451;1563505424;asciilifeform;lol
1923452;1563505537;asciilifeform;in other lulzy orc tech: [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-17#1923170][that lolconditioner] apparently has even moar interesting misfeature : no drain. yes. exhaust fan has paddle that is supposed to throw water from condensate pan through the hot-end grille. (i.e. sounds at all times like running faucet. and , reportedly, guaranteed to grow black mold and eventually leak into room... )
1923453;1563505537;a111;Logged on 2019-07-17 21:57 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in [http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-02#1846900][envirowhinerism] noose : asciilifeform uncrated a 'window' type air conditioner to help in torture room; and found 1) cost ~2x than last time bought one 2) plastered with 'explosion hazard' warnings. apparently europistan banned ~all~ freons, new-type, old type, and as result EVERYONE gets cooling compressors fulla... butane. 3) internal insulation is... styrofoam. the white,
1923454;1563505580;asciilifeform;fortunately all needed to patch this, is ordinary drill.
1923455;1563505644;*;asciilifeform would've bought older unit, but those come with the mold pre-installed! sorta like buying used toothbrush, imho.
1923456;1563505717;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-17#1923105 << I followed the same model for depwads that don't belong to the republic as was followed in the trb build toolchain.
1923457;1563505717;a111;Logged on 2019-07-17 15:41 diana_coman: I'm waiting on trinque to find out really.
1923458;1563505752;trinque;it'd be entirely appropriate to move to a model where the src is in the same tree.
1923459;1563505775;trinque;I also think you folks vastly underestimate the amount of labor that's going to take.
1923460;1563505793;trinque;yes, get rid of portage.
1923461;1563505794;asciilifeform;trinque: imho GB-sized vpatch makes a mockery of very concept.
1923462;1563505839;trinque;certainly does.
1923463;1563505849;asciilifeform;even 100MB is pushing it. i dunno if i, personally, will live long enuff to read 100MB of cpp.
1923464;1563505855;asciilifeform;of whatever origin.
1923465;1563505883;trinque;cuntoo genesis is raaaather tiny, and was intended to express what's necessary to capture
1923466;1563505897;trinque;it's a map
1923467;1563505908;trinque;yes, now graft in the src as territory is actually captured
1923468;1563505987;asciilifeform;btw trinque i [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-17#1923038][have a patched kernel], at some pt (sept?) when free hand, will be porting cuntoo userland.
1923469;1563505987;a111;Logged on 2019-07-17 14:10 asciilifeform: the current kernel is <2MB. and prolly trimmable further. boot to shell in 3sec or so.
1923470;1563506004;trinque;hm neato
1923471;1563506074;asciilifeform;the unsolved puzzlers, for that experiment, are, in order of pain : 1) [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-17#1922986][buildroot w/ musl] 2) 100% gcc-4.7 process 3) nic emulation .
1923472;1563506074;a111;Logged on 2019-07-17 13:22 asciilifeform: however it only provides 'uclibc' (and not musl, as prev. noted.)
1923473;1563506075;trinque;diana_coman: might not even be that hard to replace the unpacking step in emerge with some "copy from pressed vtree" step
1923474;1563506294;asciilifeform;trinque: the idea is, i want to emplace turnkey 'tx clears and you have root' 'virtual' service at piz. with cuntoo.
1923475;1563506342;asciilifeform;possibly with granular billing ('femtobitcoin per cpu cycle' even, or the like) or not, but in principle possible.
1923476;1563506405;asciilifeform;and i refuse to use heathen virtualizers, where 9000 remote 0day are found erry month.
1923477;1563506584;asciilifeform;would like to offer heathens a) fully isolated linuxen b) at competitive cost. so far erryone in meat wot to whom showed piz rate sheet, replied something in vein of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-16#1922858 .
1923478;1563506584;a111;Logged on 2019-07-16 17:28 girlattorney: well the prices are a high for my budget, will check if here there somebody that want to group buy a node in uruguay to split the cost
1923479;1563506907;asciilifeform;if mp_en_viaje or other serious brain tells me why it's a stupid idea, i'ma listen. but atm i suspect it is necessary and inescapable.
1923480;1563506945;*;asciilifeform bbl:meats
1923481;1563514611;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, sucks.
1923482;1563514659;mp_en_viaje;the problem with your stance is tha tthey do not want your custom.
1923483;1563514728;mp_en_viaje;fish shop without any fish does not need fish buyers who expett to get fish for any reason. does enough "trade" with "classic" "traditional" "typical" etc "customer" who merely talks about fish and fish buying. exactly like http://trilema.com/2014/business-whatever-that-may-mean/#selection-203.288-207.25
1923484;1563514753;mp_en_viaje;see the dudes standing around ? "userbase". "so how come you have no money ?" "ins'allah"
1923485;1563514924;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923443 << but of course. once precious cuntlet ends up importent into any process flow, you know for a fact it won't get undone willingly -- it's either burn it down or forget about it. (pc is this thing, you've surely seen it, the dumb chick who thinks she's got a "career" out of "following 3 ring binder". the exact other half of the dumb chick who thinks "nobody can call her a slut" because she's dressing poorly
1923486;1563514924;a111;Logged on 2019-07-19 02:30 asciilifeform: aaand [http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/FwQZj/?raw=true][their reply] .
1923487;1563514925;mp_en_viaje;and misbejaving sexually
1923488;1563514948;mp_en_viaje;the problem, of course, is that b) is still a slut, just, a very shitty one ; and a) still doesn't have a career, she just also doesn't have any friends.
1923489;1563515060;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923447 << so did linus. the problem with the behaviour standard is that pantsuit aligned agent can appear to behave sanely for lack of actual testing for any arbitrary length of time. eg, my clay pot also has behaved sanely as hammer for lo these past 3 weeks -- principally because i've not had need of any hammers 3 weeks straight.
1923490;1563515060;a111;Logged on 2019-07-19 02:59 asciilifeform: dunno, behaved sanely for 12+ years.
1923491;1563515090;mp_en_viaje;had you said "undo your process for my sake" at any point, you'd have discovered the same thing.
1923492;1563515121;mp_en_viaje;this is rather why i don't really deal with entities unwilling to go outside of their standard flow, it's like an initial test. because if they don't, i know what they are, and well...
1923493;1563515255;mp_en_viaje;eg -- some "self-serve" items will do table service for me, some will come over to tell me i gotta go to them, and run into the "you already walked here, now take out your pen". 100% DO NOT take out the pen, because if the precious cuntlet's dumb enough to actually march over to [http://trilema.com/2018/an-examination-of-conflict/][whine at me] about her incronssequential worldview failing in practice, she's sure as fuck not about to drop it. she's
1923494;1563515255;mp_en_viaje;rather decided to [http://trilema.com/2015/strategy-for-the-antisocial-struggle/][matasareanu] herself all over the altar of her precious cuntlet mattering in the world.
1923495;1563515275;mp_en_viaje;the fact that young girls do this a lot more than young boys, these days, is the principal reason of white man culture failure, btw.
1923496;1563515430;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923456 << yes but trb was last worked upon i dun even recall, 2015 ? when we decided we have to fix everything else first. in between then and now, medical science made some progress
1923497;1563515430;a111;Logged on 2019-07-19 03:08 trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-17#1923105 << I followed the same model for depwads that don't belong to the republic as was followed in the trb build toolchain.
1923498;1563515513;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923461 << gb size PATCH yes, and is forbidden. GB sized GENESIS not the same thing at all. plox to not confuse vpatch and genesis! patch says, "this is a change i'm making to an item, plox judge ~the change~. not the item. the item is taken for granted". gensis says, "this is an item i'm proposing ; please judge it".
1923499;1563515513;a111;Logged on 2019-07-19 03:09 asciilifeform: trinque: imho GB-sized vpatch makes a mockery of very concept.
1923500;1563515562;mp_en_viaje;IF one does not want gb sized ~genesis~, then ONE MUST NOT USE THE ITEM. yes, usage against this is tolerated against. but the day will come when it's "sorry, your X can not interop with republic, either get rid of it or get lost yourself". and i fucking mean that, too, maybe not today and maybe not tomorrow, but it will fucking happen.
1923501;1563515578;mp_en_viaje;because that's the very correlate of republic, and of selectivity and of changing the world, as opposed to social club.
1923502;1563515631;mp_en_viaje;and so, given that we've decided "something like the item will have to exist" and also "the actual item may be just as good a starting point as anything, and in any case better than pen, blank paper, and alf's scheduler", thus therefore it follows, mandatorily and undisputably, that there will be a bunch of large genesises.
1923503;1563515704;mp_en_viaje;in fact, the above is actually happening ~even today~ : "
1923504;1563515704;mp_en_viaje;When version 5.6 is removed, I will have to pack up and leave. By imposing these changes, you will have lost a customer of 12 years. And probably not only one." says exactly the same thing.
1923505;1563515773;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923463 << this being why the wot system even exists : so ten dozen different worms can work together, digest mysql codebase or w/e, and produce a usable item. which yes, once it's made can be re-genesised into sanity and we can safely forget the name mysql. but until then, work.
1923506;1563515773;a111;Logged on 2019-07-19 03:10 asciilifeform: even 100MB is pushing it. i dunno if i, personally, will live long enuff to read 100MB of cpp.
1923507;1563515816;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923467 << it can not be "graft the src as territory is actually captured". it has to be "graft all the src in, start capturing among it".
1923508;1563515816;a111;Logged on 2019-07-19 03:11 trinque: yes, now graft in the src as territory is actually captured
1923509;1563515868;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923475 << aha, i recall this part of the orig. discussions
1923510;1563515868;a111;Logged on 2019-07-19 03:19 asciilifeform: possibly with granular billing ('femtobitcoin per cpu cycle' even, or the like) or not, but in principle possible.
1923511;1563516307;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-14#1922400 << meanwhile the cause for this was discovered : yui.yahooapis.com/2.5.2/build/yahoo/yahoo-min.js yui.yahooapis.com/2.5.2/build/event/event-min.js yui.yahooapis.com/2.5.2/build/connection/connection-min.js all 404 ; so whatever's your timeout that's how long pages take to spuriously load.
1923512;1563516307;a111;Logged on 2019-07-14 08:12 mp_en_viaje: so since thelastpsychiatrist.com went all fucking stupid (cloudflare aside, and mountain of pointless js aside, there's a spurious 1min delay before any pageload also now!), i scraped the article list both from archive page and category page, and downloaded the list.
1923513;1563516348;mp_en_viaje;and what hapened's 100% what happened with "nearly free speech", linux and everyone else : they "upgraded", thereby breaking the abi, thereby destroying history -- because obviously the dead don't chase updates.
1923514;1563519639;mp_en_viaje;in other such, cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/odd.html now dead.
1923515;1563519661;mp_en_viaje;http://archive.is/cD1NH << previous version, just as dead.
1923516;1563520192;ave1;4096-bit RSA key, ID 14D30364, created 2017-05-18 "ave--"
1923517;1563521162;mp_en_viaje;hm ?
1923518;1563522046;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/odd-comments-and-strange-doings-in-unix/ << Trilema -- Odd Comments and Strange Doings in Unix
1923519;1563522891;ave1;mp_en_viaje: sticky keyboard or mouse
1923520;1563524351;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-according-to-time-the-worlds-most-influential-person-is-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - According to Time, The World's Most Influential Person Is.... Adnotated.
1923521;1563527086;diana_coman;BingoBoingo: make me a shared hosting account with wp installed  please; bill it for one year and let me know if there's something  else you need from me
1923522;1563527130;diana_coman;it turns out mulling will have to do its thing while action goes on.
1923523;1563528064;diana_coman;I mean ofc mp-wp there.
1923524;1563529055;diana_coman;BingoBoingo: in case you need it: the domain name for it is younghands.club
1923525;1563533956;Mocky;BingoBoingo: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/vHBpR/?raw=true
1923526;1563539481;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: ty, will get you set up today
1923527;1563540172;girlattorney;is luke jr high in this video about bitcoin future? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU6tGj5VdYw
1923528;1563540242;girlattorney;i saw also he was here on irc a couple of years ago
1923529;1563540458;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923482 << pretty obv. from the answer, heh
1923530;1563540458;a111;Logged on 2019-07-19 05:37 mp_en_viaje: the problem with your stance is tha tthey do not want your custom.
1923531;1563540509;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923485 << entirely troo, and worth to carve in stone somewhere..
1923532;1563540509;a111;Logged on 2019-07-19 05:42 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923443 << but of course. once precious cuntlet ends up importent into any process flow, you know for a fact it won't get undone willingly -- it's either burn it down or forget about it. (pc is this thing, you've surely seen it, the dumb chick who thinks she's got a "career" out of "following 3 ring binder". the exact other half of the dumb chick who thinks "nobody can call her a slut" because she's dressing poorly
1923533;1563540636;trinque;this "gb genesis is fine" thing comes as a surprise.
1923534;1563540645;trinque;in light of years of threads on the subj.
1923535;1563540681;trinque;my intent here was to have the vtree read as a history of the items as they have been understood, not as "here's the wad of shit diana_coman needed one day so we put it all in and signed it"
1923536;1563540688;asciilifeform;trinque: it's 'gordian knot' that has to be cut ~somehow~. consider, as of yet asciilifeform cannot vtronicize that kernel patch, cuz... no kernel genesis.
1923537;1563540689;asciilifeform;ditto gcc.
1923538;1563540720;trinque;we agree the work isn't done, but I fundamentally disagree that gb genesis is the move
1923539;1563540724;diana_coman;trinque: the trouble is that you need to start from somewhere and that somewhere is "this wad of shit"
1923540;1563540730;asciilifeform;trinque: how wouldja do it ?
1923541;1563540731;trinque;moreover it would've been great to have someone raise this objection when I was posting alphas of the thing for months
1923542;1563540767;diana_coman;so how do you suggest to start? because even if I have this ebuild, I can't patch it because effectively, no sources so what am I patching exactly, just the ebuild script? how does that help?
1923543;1563540797;trinque;I told you what work would be necessary to make having the src in the tree do anything in the last thread.
1923544;1563540824;trinque;"fuck you I deal only in platonic ideals" is not a way of interfacing with the world
1923545;1563540840;trinque;there are several changes to portage that'd have to happen before it's going to build any src you make part of that tree
1923546;1563540861;asciilifeform;trinque: imho worth to write article re subj
1923547;1563540931;asciilifeform;atm trinque afaik is the only 1 who went deep enuff into the portage guts to know the detail
1923548;1563540937;trinque;diana_coman: did you yet read, understand, clean, and swear to the foregoing re: curl?
1923549;1563540944;trinque;or did you just need it?
1923550;1563540952;diana_coman;trinque: my experience is that portage will happily build sources that are locally in /cuntoo/distribution (iirc.); so I don't understand re "won't build"
1923551;1563541043;diana_coman;trinque: not cleaned no, not swearing either; hence mp_en_viaje 's earlier observation that I'm not vpatching but genesising and those are different precisely because genesis is a place to start (be it a wad of shit) not "this thing I can swear to "
1923552;1563541084;trinque;mk, so anything we don't feel like reading we just cram into the genesis for our children to swim in
1923553;1563541095;diana_coman;I don't want curl in the genesis, lolz
1923554;1563541106;diana_coman;I want however A genesis from where to be able to start
1923555;1563541128;diana_coman;you know, I went into this+curl because you said oh noez, nobody is doing ebuilds etc
1923556;1563541145;trinque;sure. and if you disagree with my incrementalism, that's fine too.
1923557;1563541193;trinque;we did exactly "here are the filthy deps we don't understand and will probably abandon" in trb, recall
1923558;1563541208;trinque;we did it by hash reference
1923559;1563541254;trinque;if you can graft in an understood curl somewhere ~and~ get portage to use that src I'll applaud
1923560;1563541265;diana_coman;trinque: I suppose I don't *understand* the incrementalism you see there; because there isn't something I can follow "from this genesis he did this vpatch cutting that out etc"
1923561;1563541343;diana_coman;or is your objection to using V for verifiable-incrementalism or what
1923562;1563541380;BingoBoingo;Mocky: ty
1923563;1563541406;trinque;my objection is that nobody here knew how to build a linux aside perhaps 3 folks.
1923564;1563541428;trinque;my first step was to enumerate the wads of ??? needed
1923565;1563541437;trinque;now someone can read the genesis and know what goes into the recipe
1923566;1563541453;trinque;from there, yeah, learn about curl
1923567;1563541467;trinque;learn about runit or hell glibc
1923568;1563541472;trinque;musl, w/e
1923569;1563541490;trinque;but having crammed them all into the genesis ruins the "what's a linux" overview
1923570;1563541520;diana_coman;but enumeration is not "know what wads goes" , how does this work? how is "a wad called soandso" enough?
1923571;1563541523;trinque;so as I said, if you can now vpatch in an ~understood~ curl, do it, and make portage build it, and show me how
1923572;1563541548;trinque;diana_coman: I'm going to have to leave. my final point is that this "do it all perfectly and yesterday" is a great way to never go anywhere
1923573;1563541566;diana_coman;the "perfectly" is your addition
1923574;1563541592;diana_coman;and precisely what you are throwing back that "oh, but you want the shit in the genesis,no!"
1923575;1563541646;asciilifeform;trinque: the root of problem is how to do the GB-of-shit to kB-of-food conversion w/out genesising the shit
1923576;1563541657;diana_coman;as I get it, you want genesis to be only something-perfectly-understood; that is the perfection that is not possible and that nobody is asking for
1923577;1563541667;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje evidently also had nfi how, and so prescribed 'genesis the GB of shite'
1923578;1563541674;asciilifeform;i also haven't any better idea atm.
1923579;1563541736;asciilifeform;e.g alternative of [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1533][ asciilifeform's 'here is my hash of mp's gpg-1.4.10' thing ] is fundamentally sinful , cuz not in fact vtronically contiguous w/ original
1923580;1563541740;trinque;I mean, if it's what's wanted, somebody else step up, and I'll trash the item I made.
1923581;1563541796;asciilifeform;in fact, recall how trb 'chicken' genesis was a hand-cranked recipe, cuz had to delete binary gif turds etc and vtron of the time could not autodigest such deletion
1923582;1563541809;trinque;asciilifeform: I really don't care what the perfectly preserved historic curl was, so long as the revised item passed through a single human head in my wot
1923583;1563541848;asciilifeform;trinque: sure. but you can't have vpatch w/out a genesis that actually puts the original on the machine, or what am i missing
1923584;1563542014;diana_coman;trinque: ftr there is no talk whatsoever of trashing the item you made, no idea where that came from
1923585;1563543022;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923544 - this is quite rich esp in light of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923569
1923586;1563543022;a111;Logged on 2019-07-19 12:53 trinque: "fuck you I deal only in platonic ideals" is not a way of interfacing with the world
1923587;1563543022;a111;Logged on 2019-07-19 13:04 trinque: but having crammed them all into the genesis ruins the "what's a linux" overview
1923588;1563543073;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923496 << mno. let's walk a few. e.g. : [http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757668]['aggression'. dec. 2017]. [http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1758230][ben_vulpes 'aggression'. dec. '17.] ;
1923589;1563543073;a111;Logged on 2019-07-19 05:50 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923456 << yes but trb was last worked upon i dun even recall, 2015 ? when we decided we have to fix everything else first. in between then and now, medical science made some progress
1923590;1563543073;a111;Logged on 2017-12-23 20:42 asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, PANZERS! : http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-December/000281.html
1923591;1563543073;a111;Logged on 2017-12-24 22:54 ben_vulpes: mod6 asciilifeform et al: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-December/000282.html
1923592;1563543091;asciilifeform;[http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-26#1618651][ asciilifeform's blackhole profilings. feb. '17 ] ;
1923593;1563543091;a111;Logged on 2017-02-26 18:01 asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, PANZERS!
1923594;1563543113;asciilifeform;[http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-23#1617301][ asciilifeform's 'wires' experiment. feb. '17 ]
1923595;1563543113;a111;Logged on 2017-02-23 23:52 asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, PANZERS!
1923596;1563543168;asciilifeform;[http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-20#1864352][ 'makesnap'. oct. 2018 ] .
1923597;1563543168;a111;Logged on 2018-10-20 01:47 asciilifeform: meanwhile: ACHTUNG, PANZERS! >> http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-October/000315.html
1923598;1563543191;asciilifeform;[http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-29#1855565]['who-gave'. sept. '18 ]
1923599;1563543191;a111;Logged on 2018-09-29 22:11 asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, panzers!!! http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-September/000312.html << .
1923600;1563543210;asciilifeform;and prolly i missed a few by other folx (e.g. mod6 had at least 1 in recent 2y)
1923601;1563543250;asciilifeform;thing is, trb is imho mature in re 'knobs' , the time nao is to ~cut~, slice an' dice an' replace with adaistic prosthetics
1923602;1563543274;asciilifeform;certainly has NOT 'stood in place since 2015' tho. i would not want to use the trb of '15 in preference to the current.
1923603;1563543311;asciilifeform;( can't speak for all, but -- lacking 'aggression' , node 'zoolag' routinely was behind 100+ blox as often as not )
1923604;1563543892;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923563 << not sure i'd even include self in this number, of yet. ported kernel to 'machine' that never before existed ( the 'cpu' is mips1, but the 'periphs' naturally correspond to no physically existing irons, of yet.. ) and this was entirely new puzzler to asciilifeform ; but not yet ported trinque's userland, and of yet nfi where to begin there
1923605;1563543892;a111;Logged on 2019-07-19 13:03 trinque: my objection is that nobody here knew how to build a linux aside perhaps 3 folks.
1923606;1563544682;asciilifeform;revisiting upstack : hey mod6 , did 'who-gave' ever make it into flagship vtree ? ( i dun see it [http://btcbase.org/patches][there] ... )
1923607;1563544743;asciilifeform;( imho [http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-October/000315.html]['makesnap'] oughta also be considered, but admittedly may be of 'niche' interest )
1923608;1563545031;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923538 << trinque if you have an alternative algo that avoids giga-genesis, i'd really like to hear about it asap, before we start genesising 100MB of kernelade complete with autoconfisms etc
1923609;1563545031;a111;Logged on 2019-07-19 12:52 trinque: we agree the work isn't done, but I fundamentally disagree that gb genesis is the move
1923610;1563545590;diana_coman;asciilifeform: as far as I understand it, trinque's algo is http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923467 aka in a way the precise opposite: we don't actually have cuntoo at all; we have (genesised) just a map and the rest is a sort of "for illustration purpose only"
1923611;1563545590;a111;Logged on 2019-07-19 03:11 trinque: yes, now graft in the src as territory is actually captured
1923612;1563545966;diana_coman;fwiw, taking the above view, I can fully see his despair at "but why don't you have the sources in there?" ; the only puzzler is how exactly does he see the above as more practical and pragmatic than the plain "this wad of shit is what cuntoo is atm, worms and mud and all"
1923613;1563547316;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923535 << well, i dunno, be specific as to where ? there's whole discussions as to how "make diff keys if you must", for instance.
1923614;1563547316;a111;Logged on 2019-07-19 12:51 trinque: my intent here was to have the vtree read as a history of the items as they have been understood, not as "here's the wad of shit diana_coman needed one day so we put it all in and signed it"
1923615;1563547567;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923543 << aside from the apparent divergence as to what means what / what is implied by what / etcetera, you seem to be developing a more biting divergence in thsi signalling thing. i let pass http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-14#1922463 in silence, but apparently it wasnt such a wise course. what do you mean, exactly, "i told you what work" ? it's not apparent that's a priviledged function for some reason, you can't
1923616;1563547567;a111;Logged on 2019-07-19 12:53 trinque: I told you what work would be necessary to make having the src in the tree do anything in the last thread.
1923617;1563547567;a111;Logged on 2019-07-14 22:25 trinque: diana_coman: congrats. the next step would be to produce a vpatch which adds your curl ebuild atop the genesis.vpatch the bootstrapper produced.
1923618;1563547567;mp_en_viaje;just up and start "telling what work" in trilema, ESPECIALLY seeing how you've not so far done such an impressive job "telling what work" in #trinque, so as to, for instance, rescue ben_vulpes from his grave.
1923619;1563547584;mp_en_viaje;you're aware of this flow, are you ? i allocated him to you so that he becomes more like you, not so that you become more like him.
1923620;1563547763;mp_en_viaje;there's [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919164][approximately 0 need] of telling what work, and immense need of the actual work. if you'd like to shine, shine that way ; you can start for instance with a http://bvt-trace.net/2019/07/todo-items-and-work-plan-jul2019/#selection-11.0-23.54 ,to cover the seven month old http://trinque.org/2018/11/27/cuntoo-bootstrapper/
1923621;1563547763;a111;Logged on 2019-06-22 06:45 mp_en_viaje: leaving aside how a rate of progress of 0 items / week for week after week after livelong week puts extremely low demands on my time and attention -- far, far from requiring it be a central locus of my focus, republican 2019 as seen so far would have worked just as well if i gave it an hour biweekly, and i don't mean twice a week, i mean every other week -- there's just no need to keep the engine running on big brutus for the "j
1923622;1563547965;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923552 << exactly. it is marginally better than merely dropping portage on their head ; and it is ideologically defensible because guess what, if they don't like the genesis they don;t have to either patch on it or press it.
1923623;1563547965;a111;Logged on 2019-07-19 12:58 trinque: mk, so anything we don't feel like reading we just cram into the genesis for our children to swim in
1923624;1563548026;mp_en_viaje;all discussion to shock and surprise aside, this is the fuck exactly how trb genesis happened, too. nobody wrote a good one, just picked an actual one and genesis'd that.
1923625;1563548261;mp_en_viaje;and yes, it included fucking bdb, as well as all sorts of stupid crap, which no, nobody swore to this very day ; not because nobody read, either. nor do i expect anyone will ever swear to bdb trb component.
1923626;1563548472;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923558 << hash reference is useless for this purpose, because of the very meaning of a hash -- you can't get the hashed source back out of it. the hash worked well enough for trb because ~everyone has ~all versions and so it's a narrow and well documented domain. the hash will not work (and, experimentally, in plenty of cases you weren't involved with, failed to work, because the domain is 2+ degrees of magnitude v
1923627;1563548472;a111;Logged on 2019-07-19 13:00 trinque: we did it by hash reference
1923628;1563548472;mp_en_viaje;ast-er, and nobody stores it all, quite deliberately, because everyone fucking hates it, not loves it like they love bitcoin.
1923629;1563548985;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923563 << you keep struggling with this issue, and it's unseemly. looky, you didn't invent computers. you weren't there when ken thompson shocked himself on the pdp or when richie papercut himself with the unix manual or when etcetera. you're fifth generation, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. plenty of people hacked away at linux or at unix or at whatever the fuck else back when you were installing l
1923630;1563548985;a111;Logged on 2019-07-19 13:03 trinque: my objection is that nobody here knew how to build a linux aside perhaps 3 folks.
1923631;1563548985;mp_en_viaje;ego bricks around the house. this doesn't make them some kind of magic gurus, nor does it make your own understanding of the systems and processes involved somehow inconsequential. why does it constantly have to come back to this purely psychogenic, oh, nobody reads, oh, nobody can sit down a kernel, whatever the hell ? it's just not a way to go about things, nobody's achievement is diminishing your own nor does your achievement necessarily require
1923632;1563548985;mp_en_viaje;the putting down of others, aite ?
1923633;1563549284;*;asciilifeform sees trinque's pov, many times was wedged on a problem where 'i have 95% of solution but for the remaining 5 -- ugliest turd ever seen' . but must agree with mp_en_viaje -- you can't get orig text from a hash, and can't vpatch if you aint got orig
1923634;1563549320;mp_en_viaje;i can see his pov too, the only problem is that he picks some utterly terrible approaches.
1923635;1563549507;mp_en_viaje;there's this strange habit in many places in eastern europe, including romania, where peasant houses, even two room houses, get a "front room" which is never lived in. the family deposits "the good stuff" there, never uses it, goes in for two hours a year during easter or w/e.
1923636;1563549534;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923610 << i admit even considered possibility that the orig gentoo is heavy enuff and fulla stones and trinque broke teeth trying to eat. but cannot say definitively .
1923637;1563549534;a111;Logged on 2019-07-19 14:13 diana_coman: asciilifeform: as far as I understand it, trinque's algo is http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923467 aka in a way the precise opposite: we don't actually have cuntoo at all; we have (genesised) just a map and the rest is a sort of "for illustration purpose only"
1923638;1563549546;mp_en_viaje;whatever its merits from a religious pov, it's fucking insanely inconvenient. what am i supposed to say here, "oh, now that we have v, let's not use it, and instead work on everything outside of v" ? and what... let's design... u, for preparatory work for v ? and what, make it different from v /
1923639;1563549560;asciilifeform;at one pt i thought same re asciilifeform vs. trb . ( then mp_en_viaje unwedged me , he had bdb notes , '14 )
1923640;1563549583;mp_en_viaje;i recall.
1923641;1563549626;asciilifeform;( for n00bz -- trb was 'tank w/out treads' for, iirc, 1st 6+ months, until this )
1923642;1563549644;mp_en_viaje;"works ok on railroad rails!"
1923643;1563549649;asciilifeform;aaha
1923644;1563549708;asciilifeform;if 'portage' cannot be cut into vtronicizable parts, it'll have to be thrown, tertium non datur
1923645;1563549852;mp_en_viaje;i might be wrong, but as far as i can see portage will work just fine on a pressed pile of code.
1923646;1563549891;asciilifeform;if accept '100MB genesis' , then most of 'portage' is actually redundant, and as i understand whole thing can be replaced with a slightly mechanized vtron
1923647;1563549903;mp_en_viaje;possibly.
1923648;1563549919;mp_en_viaje;i dunno dood, part of the problem of this is that until we see it we haven't seen it.
1923649;1563549957;asciilifeform;( for folx innocent of classical gentooism -- the main function of 'portage' is to walk dependency chain ~between proggies~ and build'em in correct order. )
1923650;1563549977;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, it's entirely possible we'll end up with a ~pile~ of genesises.
1923651;1563549987;asciilifeform;already have pile
1923652;1563549992;mp_en_viaje;yes.
1923653;1563550015;asciilifeform;q is whether also can have vtronic 'cartilage' to connect the stones in the pile.
1923654;1563550016;mp_en_viaje;and phf's drop down list is getting crowded
1923655;1563550068;asciilifeform;was 19 items last saw
1923656;1563550118;mp_en_viaje;in other sads, Berlekamp bit it back in april apparently.
1923657;1563550136;asciilifeform;( lotsa things that oughta be in it, tho, aint -- e.g. ave1's gnat, my kernels, etc. cuz nuffin to patch against )
1923658;1563550182;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i recall finding that comba died right when was writing comba's algo.
1923659;1563550206;mp_en_viaje;the gardner set's pretty much gone
1923660;1563550239;asciilifeform;on bright side, 'lizard' set also thinning, e.g. last week -- perot
1923661;1563550260;mp_en_viaje;that, incidentally, is the worst stone to swallow, for me. say what i might about "oh, symbolics/whatever people were idiots", sure, why not. but these guys, they FUCKING TRIED getting math torch passed. and i know of no way it could've been done better.
1923662;1563550262;mp_en_viaje;but... not passed.
1923663;1563550275;asciilifeform;requires to have to-whom, neh
1923664;1563550279;mp_en_viaje;nfi.
1923665;1563550294;mp_en_viaje;supposedly there's always to whom. but ... in practice...
1923666;1563550301;asciilifeform;!#s rabbit hat
1923667;1563550302;a111;21 results for "rabbit hat", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=rabbit%20hat
1923668;1563550530;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923625 << was a sort of cheat tho, the genesis did not actually include bdb etc ~textually~ . so maintained illusion of 'trb is this 300kB of shitoshi'
1923669;1563550530;a111;Logged on 2019-07-19 14:57 mp_en_viaje: and yes, it included fucking bdb, as well as all sorts of stupid crap, which no, nobody swore to this very day ; not because nobody read, either. nor do i expect anyone will ever swear to bdb trb component.
1923670;1563550553;asciilifeform;which , i fear , gave folx unrealistic expectation
1923671;1563550572;mp_en_viaje;maybe.
1923672;1563550585;asciilifeform;at the time i dun think there was even thought yet of 'must confiscate gcc' etc
1923673;1563550606;mp_en_viaje;at the time there wasn't the need. notice how all the destructoforks happened just about the time we announced v.
1923674;1563550611;asciilifeform;then 'ada renaissance' and suddenly 'hey gnat dunwork' and so on
1923675;1563550635;mp_en_viaje;was multi pronged, there's me having meltdowns over eulora not compiling either, and so on.
1923676;1563550718;asciilifeform;fast-fwd to nao, when asciilifeform goes into what formerly [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-18#1923194]['obvious nuttery'], i.e. 'let's genesis a whole machine arch'
1923677;1563550718;a111;Logged on 2019-07-18 04:09 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-17#1923138 << yep, it's what's inhibiting my otherwise natural and arguably required "holy shit wtf is this weird, stop now" reaction.
1923678;1563550772;asciilifeform;cuz can't see how else to avoid [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-17#1922960]['so sad, asciilifeform , you thought could gnat errywhere? how about it dunwork on arm, bahaha']
1923679;1563550772;a111;Logged on 2019-07-17 12:25 asciilifeform: the incident where i glued together rk pilot plant, to only ~then~ find out that nobody knows when the fuck proper gnat will actually build arm binaries w/ working threading, was instructive.
1923680;1563550842;asciilifeform;( and then! then! last nail in coffin -- rk3328 goes outta print )
1923681;1563550874;asciilifeform;see also e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-26#1632664 .
1923682;1563550874;a111;Logged on 2017-03-26 15:03 mp_en_viaje: basically a novel vector of imperial attack seems to be this "let's take republican items and ~EXPAND~ the downstream so that siberian river attack is then feasible".
1923683;1563550929;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923569 << ruins nothing, add it as a comment file "here's your blueprint". gets the incalculable benefit of [http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-according-to-time-the-worlds-most-influential-person-is-adnotated/#selection-409.88-417.196][proper tooling], can now reference meaningfully.
1923684;1563550929;a111;Logged on 2019-07-19 13:04 trinque: but having crammed them all into the genesis ruins the "what's a linux" overview
1923685;1563551190;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923635 << funnily enuff , asciilifeform's parents have 1 of these, lol
1923686;1563551190;a111;Logged on 2019-07-19 15:18 mp_en_viaje: there's this strange habit in many places in eastern europe, including romania, where peasant houses, even two room houses, get a "front room" which is never lived in. the family deposits "the good stuff" there, never uses it, goes in for two hours a year during easter or w/e.
1923687;1563551204;mp_en_viaje;good for them ; but i don't.
1923688;1563551208;asciilifeform;me neither
1923689;1563551215;asciilifeform;'nazi submarine' right off doorstep.
1923690;1563551216;mp_en_viaje;should be good enough.
1923691;1563551304;asciilifeform;guest: 'is that.. bear trap?!' a:'what's the problem'
1923692;1563551378;asciilifeform;there's a scene in 1 of mp_en_viaje's fictions where almost literally depicts asciilifeform's torture room
1923693;1563551387;asciilifeform;can't seem to find in O(1) tho
1923694;1563551455;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923572 << dood, nevermind the "yesterday" and dramatis persona generally. last i saw stuff from you it was A DIFFERENT YEAR. what yesterday ?
1923695;1563551455;a111;Logged on 2019-07-19 13:05 trinque: diana_coman: I'm going to have to leave. my final point is that this "do it all perfectly and yesterday" is a great way to never go anywhere
1923696;1563551467;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, well, any detailed specifics ?
1923697;1563551585;asciilifeform;was scene where 2 d00dz sitting by a table, and it is full of mobos, rifle optics, cpus, unspeakable wirings, etc
1923698;1563551647;asciilifeform;1 sends for daughter to come and undress an' show its wares etc
1923699;1563551738;asciilifeform;this kinda thing aint a point of pride for asciilifeform , would rather sit in well-tidied workbench. but in fuckholeistan where real estate costs like on space station -- even commercial labs look same.
1923700;1563551762;mp_en_viaje;ah yes. titless.
1923701;1563551788;mp_en_viaje;http://trilema.com/2018/titless/#selection-29.0-37.0
1923702;1563551789;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2018/titless/#selection-25.0-29.442 << aha!!
1923703;1563551792;asciilifeform;there we go.
1923704;1563551806;mp_en_viaje;wh ythe fuck are our selections different ?!
1923705;1563551816;asciilifeform;was thinking same q this morning
1923706;1563551822;mp_en_viaje;holy fuck wtf
1923707;1563551832;mp_en_viaje;the dom is not stable enough to have meaningful count!
1923708;1563551835;asciilifeform;currently suspect sumthing to do with verticality of asciilifeform's display
1923709;1563551841;asciilifeform;cant think why else just yet
1923710;1563551844;mp_en_viaje;mmm
1923711;1563551886;asciilifeform;( complete with 'danish butt', laugh if you will. i no longer eat'em, but gotta keep the screws, 74xxx, rejected FG components, ..., ..., somewhere! )
1923712;1563551940;mp_en_viaje;http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/js-selector-wtf.jpg >> what i see
1923713;1563551954;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, aha, i have a bunch of them ~same reason
1923714;1563551991;asciilifeform;at one time i made regular visits to tobacconist, even tho do not myself cigar. to buy : boxes.
1923715;1563552088;mp_en_viaje;cig metal tubes pretty good for all sorta uses. decent butt dildo in a pinch too.
1923716;1563552102;mp_en_viaje;disease of american capitalist.
1923717;1563552117;asciilifeform;i found one as a boy , had nfi what it was
1923718;1563552137;asciilifeform;brought it to usa. later found, 'romeo & juliet' cuban, circa 1970s
1923719;1563552154;asciilifeform;apparently in su they were sold at one time errywhere, but sat on shelves, ~no one wanted, no one knew how to smoke'em properly
1923720;1563552185;asciilifeform;( untutored folx would try to smoke'em like cig, an' choke )
1923721;1563552226;asciilifeform;castro's payment for the rockets.
1923722;1563552261;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923602 << yes yes. i wasn't contemplating an indictment, i mearly meant, we, sometime cca 2015, discovered that any heavy lifting re trb gotta wait, for some terraforming work.
1923723;1563552261;a111;Logged on 2019-07-19 13:34 asciilifeform: certainly has NOT 'stood in place since 2015' tho. i would not want to use the trb of '15 in preference to the current.
1923724;1563552280;mp_en_viaje;which is why we're working on build toolchains and kernels and whatnot, in lieu of, eg, trbfs.
1923725;1563552283;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: 'heavy' was pretty much all '15 aha
1923726;1563552293;asciilifeform;(e.g. orphanage snip, 'seeds' snip)
1923727;1563552311;mp_en_viaje;eventually hit a wall
1923728;1563552317;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: frustratingly, i have the 'trbfs'. but grrrr gnat bugola
1923729;1563552324;mp_en_viaje;yeswell
1923730;1563552332;asciilifeform;( the O(1) tx store . )
1923731;1563552350;asciilifeform;tho, tbf, most of it wrote in '17
1923732;1563552430;asciilifeform;( it was only then that even devised the algo, during thread w/ mp_en_viaje re 'trbi' )
1923733;1563552482;mp_en_viaje;this extensive travel is going to make finding shit in a few years SO fucking painful. "i wonder, did i say mircea_popescu ? mp_en_viaje ?"...
1923734;1563552489;mp_en_viaje;wtf am i gonna do here ;/
1923735;1563552509;*;asciilifeform has same problem, from back when 'butugychag' etc
1923736;1563552540;mp_en_viaje;we'll hafta come up with something
1923737;1563552563;asciilifeform;i usually end up searching for what the folx who were 'at home' had said in $thread .
1923738;1563552569;asciilifeform;typically nails it.
1923739;1563552922;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923618 << if i recall, they're sitting in same common grave / salt mine in tx somewhere, atm
1923740;1563552922;a111;Logged on 2019-07-19 14:46 mp_en_viaje: just up and start "telling what work" in trilema, ESPECIALLY seeing how you've not so far done such an impressive job "telling what work" in #trinque, so as to, for instance, rescue ben_vulpes from his grave.
1923741;1563552978;mp_en_viaje;well, the reason i don't really know what's going on would be that... never said.
1923742;1563552985;asciilifeform;( i dun think the particulars were ever detailed , but evidently salt mine that dun leave much juice left when whistle blows in evening )
1923743;1563553042;mp_en_viaje;i guess so.
1923744;1563553082;asciilifeform;iirc ben actually had own shop, in the north, but then moved south for moarmoolah
1923745;1563553089;asciilifeform;but nuffin else was said.
1923746;1563553117;asciilifeform;'golden age' of ben in re trb etc was when was in own shop .
1923747;1563553805;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-20#1827498 lol, historical bv
1923748;1563553805;a111;Logged on 2018-06-20 00:43 ben_vulpes: and so the girlies shack up with other girlies, the boys retire to secular onasteries, and they all think it precisely tits.
1923749;1563564499;mp_en_viaje;in other sads, rotten.com is gone ?!
1923750;1563566105;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: since '17
1923751;1563566158;asciilifeform;was home of e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-08#1912124
1923752;1563566158;a111;Logged on 2019-05-08 23:20 asciilifeform: grr i was gonna add that famous lathe meat-wind pic to this thread, but cannot nao find.
1923753;1563566235;mp_en_viaje;do you recall that arguably famous-er pic of the guy on the er table with hips turning cyanotic hugging a telephone pole up his ass ?
1923754;1563566251;asciilifeform;almost certainly saw
1923755;1563566291;mp_en_viaje;seems it's gone also.
1923756;1563566378;asciilifeform;net o'brokenlinx
1923757;1563566809;mp_en_viaje;in other horrible news : it's confirmed, the selection thing is ~~~BROWSER SPECIFIC~~~
1923758;1563566833;mp_en_viaje;the fucking cuntheaded imbecile anti fucking human MORONS made it so you can't, actually, have in-page reference that works reliably.
1923759;1563566860;mp_en_viaje;selection thing works by counting dom elements, and, guess the fuck what, different browsers build the thing differently, resulting in different counts.
1923760;1563566878;asciilifeform;it's a wonder that even displaying text worx reliably
1923761;1563566886;mp_en_viaje;what the fuck am i going to do
1923762;1563566990;asciilifeform;when i was sawing the thing apart , thought 'why not make selector search for start/end chars until finds unique, then sel displayer ditto' but did not get to trying this
1923763;1563567010;asciilifeform;possibly someone handy with jsism could attempt ( lobbes ? )
1923764;1563567028;mp_en_viaje;what if i want to select the third duck in duckduckduck ?
1923765;1563567067;asciilifeform;if this is the ~only~ text on the page, then start='duck', end='duck' neh
1923766;1563567083;asciilifeform;( if not -- 'xyzduck' and 'duckpqr' respectively, where xyz/pqr are context)
1923767;1563567087;mp_en_viaje;this completely the fuck fucked me over thoyugh, 100+ links, hand picked all, now useless.
1923768;1563567100;asciilifeform;not necessarily useless, could autoconvert to $form
1923769;1563567114;asciilifeform;i'ma defo do mine, if this is baked
1923770;1563567124;mp_en_viaje;fucking insanity.
1923771;1563567144;asciilifeform;mountain of insanity, 100km tall
1923772;1563567153;asciilifeform;is what www browserism is.
1923773;1563567177;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, so your idea is, recursive search ? user selects "duck" in abcduckefg, the script tries "c" sees if unique, if yes uses, if not tries bc, if unique uses if not abc etc ?
1923774;1563567200;asciilifeform;( after google bought opera & buried in cement, became 'de facto standard' microshit-style. nao behaves 100% like 1990s microshit, does whateverthefuck it wants )
1923775;1563567206;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: correct
1923776;1563567225;asciilifeform;idea is, selector knows what the selection is, when it is made, ~that~ part worx errywhere
1923777;1563567229;mp_en_viaje;and it'd look like #selection-abc-efg
1923778;1563567250;asciilifeform;could possibly compress for link shortening, but yes
1923779;1563567288;mp_en_viaje;should prolly compress, to avoid comma in url.
1923780;1563567342;mp_en_viaje;who else is there, billymg ? Mocky ? either of you got a moment to do this ?
1923781;1563567393;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, if you compress, now stuck putting lzw, in js, on every page
1923782;1563567400;asciilifeform;who said lzw.
1923783;1563567406;mp_en_viaje;whartever compress you use.
1923784;1563567408;asciilifeform;simple run-length encode worx as well
1923785;1563567418;mp_en_viaje;i guess that's not so lengthy
1923786;1563567430;asciilifeform;coupla ln of jshit , i expect
1923787;1563567487;*;asciilifeform loox in his notebook and finds also 'hm why not let mp-wp highlight selects on server-end, so machines w/out js display highlights' but also never attempted this, notenuff phpfu
1923788;1563567570;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: re select, potentially you can get away with storing only left side + character count
1923789;1563567586;mp_en_viaje;i honestly like this better.
1923790;1563567587;asciilifeform;e.g. 'duck+4'
1923791;1563567599;asciilifeform;tru, left+right makes for human-readable selector
1923792;1563567607;asciilifeform;potentially can decode on box where no js, by hand grep
1923793;1563567610;mp_en_viaje;highlight selects on server end, hmmmm
1923794;1563567621;asciilifeform;see, i fuckinhate js
1923795;1563567629;asciilifeform;have it switched off on most boxen
1923796;1563567648;mp_en_viaje;problem is, ss selection will look weird.
1923797;1563567656;asciilifeform;how so ?
1923798;1563567676;mp_en_viaje;now you're stuck with "how will fucktardedbrowser display"
1923799;1563567686;asciilifeform;no more so than w/ js selectism neh
1923800;1563567691;asciilifeform;make it look exactly same, if liek
1923801;1563567716;asciilifeform;i haven't yet found browser that doesn't render text colour when asked
1923802;1563567750;mp_en_viaje;local "select" behaviour is always defined, but afaik there's no exposed "make it look selected" call
1923803;1563567804;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, of course, if one's doing server side no need to grep, count start, count end
1923804;1563567823;asciilifeform;naturally not. you'd have to put in e.g. <span style="blah">....</span> or whatnot. and 'anchor' so thing scrolls to it.
1923805;1563567832;mp_en_viaje;the dom construction / abomination varies, but my articles are still mysql fields, unchanged
1923806;1563567842;asciilifeform;and correct, if server-end munge, you dun need the displayer js at all
1923807;1563567861;asciilifeform;only need js for select-maker
1923808;1563567897;asciilifeform;( would do roughly same thing as presently, but munge the url in browser so when loaded, gives server-end selectified copy )
1923809;1563567934;asciilifeform;bonus, in machine log could see what readers like to select.
1923810;1563567965;asciilifeform;all of this may or may not be worth the effort. but perhaps worth to try.
1923811;1563567973;*;asciilifeform brb:teatime
1923812;1563569864;*;asciilifeform peeks at the [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923443][nfs forum] crapola; nao with 'nya-nya' from peanut gallery, bonus.
1923813;1563569864;a111;Logged on 2019-07-19 02:30 asciilifeform: aaand [http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/FwQZj/?raw=true][their reply] .
1923814;1563571325;mp_en_viaje;in continuing sads : /me attempted to spec the server side php job ; and it can be done, roughly, there exist primitives for, eg, "insert this after nth word and that after mth word". however : a) this interferes with the footnotes, because footnotes exist as z (( b)) and not as displayed on page ; and b) there's no good way to # and ? at the same time because of the way trilema handles title-urls.
1923815;1563571362;asciilifeform;i thought footnotes were html anchors
1923816;1563571376;asciilifeform;or is this in re the internal representation
1923817;1563571391;mp_en_viaje;the internal representation.
1923818;1563571394;asciilifeform;ugh
1923819;1563571395;mp_en_viaje;server side amirite.
1923820;1563571425;mp_en_viaje;a ((b)) c ((d)) appears as a b --- c d on-page.
1923821;1563571476;mp_en_viaje;and there's also no way to have trilema.com/article-title/?start=5&end=7#selection
1923822;1563571501;mp_en_viaje;can has trilema.com/article-title/?start=5&end=7 OR trilema.com/article-title/#selection but not rly both.
1923823;1563571551;mp_en_viaje;this is so fucking broken ;/
1923824;1563571610;asciilifeform;could in principle trilema.com/article-title/5/7/#selection ?
1923825;1563571624;asciilifeform;cut it up on serv side into operands, do Right Thing
1923826;1563572272;mp_en_viaje;ah that's an idea huh.
1923827;1563572303;*;asciilifeform has nfi whether this is trivial to implement , or headache
1923828;1563572335;asciilifeform;the thing already cuts into /-separated chunks, tho, neh.
1923829;1563572491;mp_en_viaje;nfi either, but we find out soonish
1923830;1563572522;asciilifeform;upstack: imho best form would be 100% plaintext, sumthing like trilema.com/article-title/rubber/ducky/ . then! can also ~select~ by hand crank, without jsism, if want , on box w/out jsism
1923831;1563572683;asciilifeform;( down side -- would need the backend to search with ignoring of spaces, commas, etc )
1923832;1563572799;*;diana_coman gave all computers around work to do for the next hours so she goes happily to sleep.
1923833;1563572839;asciilifeform;goodnight diana_coman
1923834;1563572840;mp_en_viaje;nn
1923835;1563572861;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, that'll never work though, because obviously it'll try to find an article by that name
1923836;1563572883;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: why's that ? name is what's b/w the 1st 2 / , neh ?
1923837;1563572891;asciilifeform; /article/title/
1923838;1563572893;asciilifeform;err,
1923839;1563572898;asciilifeform; /article-title/
1923840;1563572907;asciilifeform;why would it matter what's after the 2nd / ?
1923841;1563572919;mp_en_viaje;afaik the name's hacked into an article via htaccess, which is yet another pointless and poorly specified scripting lang atop the shit tower
1923842;1563572930;asciilifeform;hrm
1923843;1563572952;*;asciilifeform tried several times, never got his htaccess thing to work correctly, hence why still has barbarian ?=xyz titles
1923844;1563572968;mp_en_viaje;consider some simple examples : http://trilema.com/pili works, takes one to http://trilema.com/2016/pili/ which is the cannonical form. http://trilema.com/pil also works
1923845;1563572984;mp_en_viaje;so does http://trilema.com/2016/pili/441222/ ; however neither http://trilema.com/2016/pili/441/222/ nor http://trilema.com/2016/pili/441-222/ work
1923846;1563573023;asciilifeform;unsurprisingly they dunwork ~now~ , but could be made ?
1923847;1563573037;*;asciilifeform does not know how, exactly, so will have to leave it there
1923848;1563573111;asciilifeform;the proposed format aint mathematically ambiguous, i can write it as regexp say. but whothefuckknows what the programmatic liquishit getting in the way might be.
1923849;1563573132;mp_en_viaje;well, here's the thing -- IF you move the "extract data from uri" into php, you lose... url replacement.
1923850;1563573143;mp_en_viaje;the ~only~ way to have that indirection layer, is to use htaccess
1923851;1563573157;mp_en_viaje;i mean obviously one could modify apache to be less fucked in the head, but ...
1923852;1563573177;asciilifeform;loox like finally a potential justification for spyked's thing
1923853;1563573184;mp_en_viaje;it does, at that.
1923854;1563573222;mp_en_viaje;as things stand, the ~only~ way to have user think url is "trilema/pili" while url really is trilema?p=65 or w/e it truly is, is via htaccess, which is like javascript written by monkeys in 1980
1923855;1563573248;asciilifeform;rright, just thinkin' about .htaccess makes asciilifeform's stomach go
1923856;1563573289;asciilifeform;pretty typical specimen of 'we ameritards, did it over friday beer an' pizza' kludge
1923857;1563573318;mp_en_viaje;in theory you could possibly htccess script-fu something like domain/a/b/c into domain?q=a&w=b&e=c ; HOWEVER, the problem is the domain space is currently narrow.
1923858;1563573366;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: what if sel operands were to go on ~left~ side ?
1923859;1563573368;mp_en_viaje;eg, trilema has implicit search, if you type in trilema.com/pus you instaget http://trilema.com/2018/pushing-the-soft-flesh-and-so-on-against-the-so-and-so-blades-of-the-immutable-machine-etcetera-second-installment/
1923860;1563573373;mp_en_viaje;and i use this ~extensively~
1923861;1563573381;mp_en_viaje;in fact, it might be the one thing on the web i most use.
1923862;1563573398;asciilifeform;e.g. trilema.com/rubber/ducky/2018/pushing-the-soft-flesh-and-so-on-against-the-so-and-so-blades-of-the-immutable-machine-etcetera-second-installment/
1923863;1563573417;asciilifeform;then narrow domain for'em, and can easily detect whether present
1923864;1563573447;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, admire the weird : http://trilema.com/2016/44/pili and trilema.com/2016/44/32/21/11/pili/ respecrtively
1923865;1563573517;asciilifeform;trilema.com/foo/bar/2016/44/32/21/11/pili/ btw loads even nao...
1923866;1563573526;asciilifeform;~correctly~
1923867;1563573535;asciilifeform;nao all you'd need is to pluck out that foo and bar
1923868;1563573544;asciilifeform;and use'em to bake highlight
1923869;1563573547;mp_en_viaje;moreover, with prefix, what do you do with trilema.com/4 ? currently it (correctly) finds http://trilema.com/2012/40-vs-80/
1923870;1563573558;asciilifeform;( iirc php gives you copy of full url ? )
1923871;1563573563;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, it does not load, it just wipes your string
1923872;1563573580;asciilifeform;ah so if the page renderer asks for url, it dun see foo, bar ?
1923873;1563573590;asciilifeform;(i.e. gets eaten by htaccessism ? )
1923874;1563573592;mp_en_viaje;o fuck me, it MUST see it
1923875;1563573596;asciilifeform;gotta, neh
1923876;1563573597;mp_en_viaje;ok this might be major breakthrough here
1923877;1563573631;mp_en_viaje;tjhis, incidentally, is EXACTLY how tower of shit was even built in the first palce
1923878;1563573642;asciilifeform;towers o'shit are cumulative, noose at 11..
1923879;1563573647;mp_en_viaje;now ima tell someone "look what weird shit we found, USE IT" and they won't dare say "why"
1923880;1563573679;asciilifeform;'new shithouse will be built from bricks of the one we blew up'(tm)(r)(lenin)
1923881;1563579991;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923536 << yes, and "cuntoo" would've contained it if I took the wad-of-shit-in-genesis approach.
1923882;1563579991;a111;Logged on 2019-07-19 12:51 asciilifeform: trinque: it's 'gordian knot' that has to be cut ~somehow~. consider, as of yet asciilifeform cannot vtronicize that kernel patch, cuz... no kernel genesis.
1923883;1563580042;trinque;I started from an item that was 900mb and that was just the ebuild tree.
1923884;1563580206;trinque;not having to be able to read vpatches is, lets say retrospectively declarative.
1923885;1563580221;trinque;at the very least I'd want to say "this is the one with kernel in it"
1923886;1563580408;BingoBoingo;So, it appears Iran took two British ships and released one with a warning.
1923887;1563580487;trinque;at any rate no, I'm not doing a man-month of rework on the thing any time soon. not standing in the way of anyone else doing it either.
1923888;1563580500;asciilifeform;trinque: iirc we don't yet even have a vdiff that'd eat 900M
1923889;1563580505;asciilifeform;even if 'yes want'
1923890;1563580564;asciilifeform;i.e. it's a theoretical (if somewhat burning) q, rather than 'ohnoez, trinque Did It All Wrong'
1923891;1563581147;trinque;and I don't fault mp_en_viaje his ideological rigor. not in the slightest.
1923892;1563581911;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923622 << the whole rest of history then requires this multi-gb genesis long after the resultant item has been carved to however many mb
1923893;1563581911;a111;Logged on 2019-07-19 14:52 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923552 << exactly. it is marginally better than merely dropping portage on their head ; and it is ideologically defensible because guess what, if they don't like the genesis they don;t have to either patch on it or press it.
1923894;1563581983;asciilifeform;trinque: indeed does. bitter pill. but sorta like bitcoin requires that 300GB (an' counting) of liquishit, 4evah
1923895;1563581986;trinque;rather than having a perforation point which can be torn off, preserving the references for whichever historian that cared, but *not importing the shitwad into the future indefinitely* was the point
1923896;1563582002;trinque;asciilifeform: the vtree for bitcoin is not and never will be 300gb
1923897;1563582008;asciilifeform;i meant the blox, trinque
1923898;1563582049;asciilifeform;it's the same thing, imho, the cost of being able to trace the history to birth of universe, is having to keep it around
1923899;1563582060;trinque;this regresses infinitely.
1923900;1563582083;asciilifeform;nao what i'd really like is to ditch the idjit unixdiff's reversible deletions
1923901;1563582092;asciilifeform;where if you snip a MB, ~that patch~ now weighs 1MB+
1923902;1563582103;asciilifeform;there's no fucking point to that, if we keep genesis of orig
1923903;1563582140;asciilifeform;trinque: how does 'regress infinitely' ? plox to elaborate
1923904;1563582187;trinque;by way of example, why does your p not contain gnat
1923905;1563582196;trinque;and inb4 IT WILL, I know!
1923906;1563582201;trinque;why doesn't it today?
1923907;1563582226;asciilifeform;imho this is the real open q in the thread -- how to represent relation b/w nominally separate proggies
1923908;1563582249;asciilifeform;each of which by all logic wants to be sep. vtree, but are dependent functionally
1923909;1563582267;asciilifeform;if can solve this cleanly, can then be rid of portage, even, in principle
1923910;1563582353;trinque;this I think correctly runs afoul of mp_en_viaje's "there is only one fucking tree, and it does not loop"
1923911;1563582383;trinque;see, I'm this perverse fellow that knows the scripture even.
1923912;1563582393;trinque;and agrees, yet sins
1923913;1563582431;trinque;asciilifeform: the point being yes, we can be rid of portage, but where are the steps between there and here.
1923914;1563582454;trinque;might as well say what I'm doing with my time lately, which is related. I'm horking down bitcoins by the $10k, what
1923915;1563582962;asciilifeform;i suppose beats alternative where burning life in salt mine and ~not~ piling up coin
1923916;1563583283;trinque;it's shitty, lol, but what am I going to hold when I'm 40.
1923917;1563583406;trinque;upstack, trying to capture linux in this manner might've been a fool's errand. might be that a muntzed kernel and a busybox-like are a saner beachball to eat.
1923918;1563583440;asciilifeform;is actually all i got atm in the mips thing -- busybox
1923919;1563583449;trinque;I've lived in it, isn't so bad
1923920;1563583458;asciilifeform;( + 'dhrystone' lol )
1923921;1563585504;BingoBoingo;!Qlater tell diana_coman http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/XRfoU/?raw=true
1923922;1563585505;lobbesbot;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
1923923;1563587676;asciilifeform;trinque: thinking about it, 1 possible answer to the puzzler is to make an entire orchestra as 1 vtree.
1923924;1563587690;asciilifeform;trinque: the obv. toothbreaking stone is gnat.
1923925;1563587822;asciilifeform;iirc at one time mp suggested this, 'there oughta be ONE genesis'
1923926;1563587842;asciilifeform;but iirc this was before we even gnat'd
1923927;1563588375;trinque;I'd be surprised if that stone doesn't haul in all the rest
1923928;1563588563;asciilifeform;trinque: to expand -- currently gnat srcball aint a complete description of gnat. i.e. it demands existing gnat. iirc was described pedantically in old thrd.
1923929;1563588616;asciilifeform;mipsism is a half-solution, of sorts, in that can build a mipsistic gnat and then will execute anywhere you can port the 12kB emu to
1923930;1563588623;asciilifeform;but not 'troo' solution
1923931;1563588630;asciilifeform;afaik nobody has troo solution of yet.
1923932;1563597661;billymg;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923822 << why is the #selection piece necessary for the server side version of this?
1923933;1563597661;a111;Logged on 2019-07-19 21:25 mp_en_viaje: can has trilema.com/article-title/?start=5&end=7 OR trilema.com/article-title/#selection but not rly both.
1923934;1563597750;billymg;the way i understand it, client makes a request to url?start=5&end=7, server pulls content from mysql and returns with <span class="highlight"></span> injected where start/end indicate
1923935;1563597834;billymg;then js can additionally do the selection thing (now trivial, because wrapped in <span>), or the text is simply "highlighted" with css (though not actually selected)
1923936;1563598068;billymg;but the part i don't understand is how you get around http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923759 even with server side url variables
1923937;1563598068;a111;Logged on 2019-07-19 20:07 mp_en_viaje: selection thing works by counting dom elements, and, guess the fuck what, different browsers build the thing differently, resulting in different counts.
1923938;1563598103;billymg;i.e. to make a new shareable selection, user selects text, js constructs url with appropriate ?start=x&end=y for server to return content with highlight wrapped in <span> ...but if DOM varies then these values will be different depending on the browser making the request
1923939;1563599084;billymg;ah, nm, gets around it with http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923773 instead of trying to specify index of characters -- i see now
1923940;1563599084;a111;Logged on 2019-07-19 20:12 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, so your idea is, recursive search ? user selects "duck" in abcduckefg, the script tries "c" sees if unique, if yes uses, if not tries bc, if unique uses if not abc etc ?
1923941;1563602110;mp_en_viaje;billymg, actually, slave galley meanwhile produced solution, will be publishing it shortly.
1923942;1563610421;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/proper-html-linking-the-crisis-the-solution-the-resolution-conclusion/ << Trilema -- Proper html linking : the crisis, the solution, the resolution & conclusion
1923943;1563612585;feedbot;http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/096-hunchentoot-ii.html << The Tar Pit -- Notes on Hunchentoot architecture
1923944;1563613784;mp_en_viaje;halelujah. now i can get back to working on tlp archive.
1923945;1563615559;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923886 >> the warning being, "this shit is not seaworthy, take it to bed" ?
1923946;1563615559;a111;Logged on 2019-07-19 23:53 BingoBoingo: So, it appears Iran took two British ships and released one with a warning.
1923947;1563615634;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-20#1923892 << so it does ;  because yes, patches are additive, even the "substracting" ones.
1923948;1563615634;a111;Logged on 2019-07-20 00:18 trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923622 << the whole rest of history then requires this multi-gb genesis long after the resultant item has been carved to however many mb
1923949;1563615686;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-20#1923902 << this is true, but i rather like the - + explicit format.
1923950;1563615686;a111;Logged on 2019-07-20 00:21 asciilifeform: there's no fucking point to that, if we keep genesis of orig
1923951;1563615710;mp_en_viaje;one thing i NEVER liked about dead tree books was that you had to flip pages to find notes. fucking bs.
1923952;1563616006;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-20#1923909 << likely end up either re-using or re-implementing it ; hence http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923650
1923953;1563616006;a111;Logged on 2019-07-20 00:24 asciilifeform: if can solve this cleanly, can then be rid of portage, even, in principle
1923954;1563616006;a111;Logged on 2019-07-19 15:26 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, it's entirely possible we'll end up with a ~pile~ of genesises.
1923955;1563616026;mp_en_viaje;it might be that we actually need some glue, in between "master tree" and "individual genesises" that happens to be ~like portage.
1923956;1563616102;mp_en_viaje;ie, the problem here in correct abstraction would be that trinque worked on the "phantom' tree (how to go from ONE TRUE ROOT -> ALL THINGS) whereas everyone else started on real tree of ALL THINGS, and well, there's a disconnect there.
1923957;1563616163;mp_en_viaje;something that takes the filter of "i want trb, eulora but not blogotron" our of the long list of all things available and creates a local-tree out of the world tree, just for you. which is STILL a complete tree, and presses and string of vpatches and all ; but it is merely an aspect of the omnitree.
1923958;1563616460;ave1;I updated http://ave1.org/2019/gnat-sjlj-build-project/, next will be plan for gcc genisis project.
1923959;1563616463;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-20#1923917 << i do not see that any of this was avoidable, or is useless. i think mostly you just got pissed off upon discovering there's a redoubt behind the redoubt, "motherfucker, there's not a full strength regiment behind these three surviving dudes" be
1923960;1563616463;a111;Logged on 2019-07-20 00:43 trinque: upstack, trying to capture linux in this manner might've been a fool's errand. might be that a muntzed kernel and a busybox-like are a saner beachball to eat.
1923961;1563616523;mp_en_viaje;ave1, tjhe fact your blog doesn't have a datestamp under the title makes working with articles like this one harder than it needs to be.
1923962;1563616600;ave1;Ah, I see (I always hate this missing dates on other blog and I had noticed).
1923963;1563616608;ave1;had *not* noticed
1923964;1563616616;mp_en_viaje;:p
1923965;1563616715;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-20#1923917 << there was also a s.mg attempt where diana_coman tried to preserve all linux (in the manner of trb, naive speccing at the time). also fucking died, over explodig complexity (basically, there's no way to control for repetition, end up having to store [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-02#1916717][GB-size]^2)
1923966;1563616715;a111;Logged on 2019-07-20 00:43 trinque: upstack, trying to capture linux in this manner might've been a fool's errand. might be that a muntzed kernel and a busybox-like are a saner beachball to eat.
1923967;1563616715;a111;Logged on 2019-06-02 03:59 mircea_popescu: the name for software that changes with the user's pubic hairdo fashions is USERLAND. why the fuck am i... o look at that, there's 1.9 GB to download! the OS!!!! is two gigs.
1923968;1563616736;mp_en_viaje;because yes, the fucktards broke the eulora build chain like 3 times to date.
1923969;1563616878;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-20#1923925 << there absolutely ought to. in the general. it's not clear to me this is also mandatory ~on every system~. basically a "light node" debate is upon us.
1923970;1563616878;a111;Logged on 2019-07-20 01:57 asciilifeform: iirc at one time mp suggested this, 'there oughta be ONE genesis'
1923971;1563617032;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-20#1923930 << maybe worth going over "what would this solution look like" one more time.
1923972;1563617032;a111;Logged on 2019-07-20 02:10 asciilifeform: but not 'troo' solution
1923973;1563619706;ave1;bbl, гречиха with meat time
1923974;1563620389;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-a-diagnosis-of-schizophrenia-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - A Diagnosis Of Schizophrenia. Adnotated.
1923975;1563622193;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-advancing-paternal-age-and-bipolar-disorder-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Advancing Paternal Age And Bipolar Disorder. Adnotated.
1923976;1563630140;mp_en_viaje;in other local news, ima go for coffee @ cafe de paris, karla marcsa 8 say about 18:00, if any phf s in town wanna join.
1923977;1563630157;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: is your new-type link engine switched off just nao ?
1923978;1563630163;mp_en_viaje;nope ?
1923979;1563630168;asciilifeform;none of'em seem to work..
1923980;1563630181;asciilifeform;looked in the raw htm barf, too, no sign of the new markup
1923981;1563630200;asciilifeform;(left comment earlier, apol. for the duplication)
1923982;1563630249;mp_en_viaje;im answerin'.
1923983;1563630461;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, http://trilema.com/2019/proper-html-linking-the-crisis-the-solution-the-resolution-conclusion/#comment-130031 << and try nao.
1923984;1563630499;asciilifeform;'Inca under the color of delivering your own interests, it one&e=y#select>separates youi even as it seems to feed you.' and uncoloured
1923985;1563630506;asciilifeform;( tho anchor seems to work nao, scrolls )
1923986;1563630525;asciilifeform;do you actually get a correct output on own box ?!
1923987;1563630702;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, that item is actually discussed as such in the comments (under "operator error"). but yes.
1923988;1563630801;asciilifeform;hm http://trilema.com/republican-thesaurus/?b=manalone&e=y#select appears to work..
1923989;1563630805;mp_en_viaje;try the link in the very article, following http://trilema.com/2019/proper-html-linking-the-crisis-the-solution-the-resolution-conclusion/?b=interests,&e=,%20it#select ; and the one it links to ( http://trilema.com/2016/a-complete-theory-of-politics/?b=The%20alpha&e=The%20female#select ) on the republican thesaurus page, as cannonical examples
1923990;1563630832;asciilifeform;aaa ok nao they all work.
1923991;1563630833;asciilifeform;a++++
1923992;1563630858;asciilifeform;annoying that it dun go for multi-paragraph tho
1923993;1563630883;asciilifeform;( and by extension prolly won't work for asciilifeform's code snippets )
1923994;1563630979;mp_en_viaje;can use div if you''d rather, that'll go.
1923995;1563630995;asciilifeform;doesn't it mutilate the text ?
1923996;1563630996;mp_en_viaje;(this is span-based)
1923997;1563631009;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, not if you're careful to not start mid-sentence, i guess ?
1923998;1563631027;asciilifeform;say i want to select section of a line of coad ?
1923999;1563631046;mp_en_viaje;tim tarder's lee www, a succession of tradeoffs
1924000;1563631055;asciilifeform;pretty sad.
1924001;1563631067;mp_en_viaje;why would this not work for a section of a line tho ?
1924002;1563631088;asciilifeform;unless i misread, div introduces like break, neh ?
1924003;1563631184;mp_en_viaje;i mean, why wouldn't this as it is, with span, work
1924004;1563631266;asciilifeform;from my reading of item 3 , 'The disadvantage of span is that, being an inline element, it will not cross paragraphs (or <li> borders for that matter)'
1924005;1563631297;asciilifeform;in e.g. http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/hypertext/ch19/fz_divis__adb.htm , links errywhere
1924006;1563631303;asciilifeform;so if can't cross borders of link...
1924007;1563631383;mp_en_viaje;imho in a piece like that the correct approach would be the same as we do for logs : have the line numbers hyperlinked.
1924008;1563631398;mp_en_viaje;that's what they're there for, to support indexing of text. so use them.
1924009;1563631442;asciilifeform;prolly will require custom coad displayer, if need to e.g. colour multiple lines
1924010;1563631447;asciilifeform;which is ugh
1924011;1563631452;mp_en_viaje;i daresay that when it comes to code, lines written in such a way that line count index is insufficient and one benefits from in-line linking as with the javascript is ~therefore~ broken
1924012;1563631506;asciilifeform;well my current one (linked above, cribbed from gnat built-in htmlizer) dun even put anchors on the individual lines, atm can only link subroutines
1924013;1563631516;mp_en_viaje;as to the multiline thing, i recall my trying to spec a multi-line selector with framedragger just prior his disappearance. iirc he got it working, maybe lift that ?
1924014;1563631541;asciilifeform;hmm was this preserved in log somewhere?
1924015;1563631606;mp_en_viaje;yes hang on
1924016;1563631706;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-27#1648458 <
1924017;1563631706;a111;Logged on 2017-04-27 15:05 mircea_popescu: i guess i reconstructed the http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170427/from:34/to:46#34 format on the basis of logs.
1924018;1563631707;scriba;Logged on 2017-04-27: [02:14:22] * mircea_popescu went to business school here today, spent five minutes listening in on what evidently was the graduation project of some 4th year kid. do you know what he had ?
1924019;1563632224;asciilifeform;indeed worx. will have to saw it open an' see just how.
1924020;1563632229;asciilifeform;ty mp_en_viaje
1924021;1563632306;mp_en_viaje;iirc it's discussed prior in chan.
1924022;1563632314;mp_en_viaje;if it helps
1924023;1563632331;*;asciilifeform will dig.
1924024;1563632338;mp_en_viaje;*thumbsup*
1924025;1563633083;asciilifeform;tangentially, what's http://trilema.com/2019/proper-html-linking-the-crisis-the-solution-the-resolution-conclusion/?b=Phf&e=tree#select about ?
1924026;1563633245;mp_en_viaje;it's a private joke!
1924027;1563633260;mp_en_viaje;very private!
1924028;1563633284;asciilifeform;aite. i actually wondered whether [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923753][literally] !
1924029;1563633284;a111;Logged on 2019-07-19 19:57 mp_en_viaje: do you recall that arguably famous-er pic of the guy on the er table with hips turning cyanotic hugging a telephone pole up his ass ?
1924030;1563633293;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform ftr, nicole's like "who asked about phf's asshole ?" and hanbot's like "stan" and nicole's like "naturally."
1924031;1563633316;asciilifeform;well iirc he was headed to visit mp_en_viaje other day
1924032;1563633359;mp_en_viaje;ah, we visited kalvaryja as well as cunt sawshchyna yest.
1924033;1563635460;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/kalvaryja-minsk/ << Trilema -- Kalvaryja, Minsk
1924034;1563635606;diana_coman;BingoBoingo: ack, so far so good, thank you! bill me for 1 year and I'll see to it
1924035;1563635606;lobbesbot;diana_coman: Sent 13 hours and 55 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/XRfoU/?raw=true
1924036;1563638884;billymg;mp_en_viaje: left a [http://trilema.com/2019/proper-html-linking-the-crisis-the-solution-the-resolution-conclusion/#comment-130035][comment] with a solution to the selection inside of links issue. apologies for the multiple copies, it took a few tries for me to get the formatting right
1924037;1563639220;asciilifeform;in other lulz, asciilifeform goes to snailmail box and in it, a spam, 'buy gold-plated plaque of yer patent!'. a:'wtf' , goes an' loox, sure enuff, there is one, d00d who ran (long-defunkt) salt mine where asciilifeform was conscripted to write one, apparently kept payin', and so got shat out.
1924038;1563639312;asciilifeform;nao asciilifeform can burn in the higher temperature circle of hell, where ken thompson is!1
1924039;1563639394;asciilifeform;lulzily, orig. text was maybe 3 para; what got shat out by the end is some 100kB, reads like usg penal code.
1924040;1563640953;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: ty
1924041;1563645513;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-20#1923968 << this was exactly my experience as well. "motherfucker, each time I pin another frog leg down, it grows three more"
1924042;1563645513;a111;Logged on 2019-07-20 09:58 mp_en_viaje: because yes, the fucktards broke the eulora build chain like 3 times to date.
1924043;1563645578;trinque;that's it, forth on a goddamned chalkboard !!1!
1924044;1563650765;diana_coman;hm, does anyone around here know a good way to allow WP logins for non-admin users from any IP while still keeping the admin restricted sanely?
1924045;1563651081;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: The state of the art seems to be accepting GPG blocks sent over p.bulpes
1924046;1563651098;diana_coman;BingoBoingo: how do you mean?
1924047;1563651116;diana_coman;can wp manage login via pastes on p.bvulpes?
1924048;1563651182;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: I'm describing the way Qntra does it. Submitter offers their piece over p.bvulpes and Editor logs into the wordpress to publish and attach the byline.
1924049;1563651225;BingoBoingo;Allowing actual logins to wp from any ip is unsolved atm
1924050;1563651231;diana_coman;oh,ugh
1924051;1563651269;diana_coman;I wanted a less hands-on approach, since I'm planning to run a class there, not holding their hand at such level
1924052;1563651273;diana_coman;oh joy
1924053;1563651393;BingoBoingo;Well, another option, one that requires offering them a shell is ye olde SOCKS proxy.
1924054;1563651558;diana_coman;hm, I suppose it should be possible to just make a different login page in the root dir but then they'd need at least another page to actually submit the text too and it all circles back to similar "offer the piece there"
1924055;1563651644;diana_coman;though logically speaking the solution would be to automate *that* part, hm
1924056;1563651656;BingoBoingo;Well, mp-wp also has all of the dashboard including living in /wp-admin as well including the page for making posts.
1924057;1563651687;BingoBoingo;Now, mp-wp does have a user role facility that allows restricting what different user names get to do.
1924058;1563651823;diana_coman;that's the thing: that after logging in, they need access t wp-admin which is iffy to give because again, same trouble; and yes, ofc wp has roles and I wanted to use them but that's not enough
1924059;1563651825;mp_en_viaje;billymg, answered.
1924060;1563651832;BingoBoingo;The thing is when you open up any-IP the cookie theft hazard comes in.
1924061;1563651866;diana_coman;I guess I'm doomed to do it first manually and then cook up an automation of *that* process
1924062;1563651921;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-20#1924044 << in so many words, nope. moreover, mp-wp cookie based admin login is not safe with open ip login, because cookie can get trivially stolen on any js enabled browser.
1924063;1563651921;a111;Logged on 2019-07-20 19:26 diana_coman: hm, does anyone around here know a good way to allow WP logins for non-admin users from any IP while still keeping the admin restricted sanely?
1924064;1563651940;mp_en_viaje;(this is universal problem of http "login", hence the "push to 2fa" and other such bs "security" theatre)
1924065;1563652000;diana_coman;aha.
1924066;1563652046;mp_en_viaje;there ~is~ a way to accept posting via email, however, if that floats your boat.
1924067;1563652052;mp_en_viaje;gotta set up smtp server tho
1924068;1563652101;diana_coman;another can of worms
1924069;1563652126;mp_en_viaje;alternatively, you can just let it be, open ip, and do daily snapshots of db into safety or something. if it gets compromised, ah well.
1924070;1563652139;mp_en_viaje;who said school should have good locks on doors anyway
1924071;1563652173;mp_en_viaje;so far the problem is rather indolence than hyperactivity.
1924072;1563652193;diana_coman;there is that; I'm fighting the fact that ....but it's MY school goddamnit
1924073;1563652248;mp_en_viaje;imo contemporary highschool would greatly benefit from periodic barbarian invasion, complte with rape and pillage.
1924074;1563652273;diana_coman;it's also the sort of thing that is on the checklist of douchebags-style aka trivial to break and "rara"
1924075;1563653086;mp_en_viaje;sure.
1924076;1563653098;mp_en_viaje;so let them brag, what's it cost anyone.
1924077;1563653119;*;diana_coman dislikes the noise, lol.
1924078;1563653160;diana_coman;BingoBoingo: would there be any problem from pizarro's point of view to have such a thing?
1924079;1563653309;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: I don't immediately see any.
1924080;1563654116;diana_coman;BingoBoingo: can I setup a db backup with crontab directly or do you need to do that or how does it go?
1924081;1563654493;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: I'm not familiar with crontab, but your db user has full privileges on the mp-wp blog's database
1924082;1563654587;BingoBoingo;Feel free to use whatever tools you want to backup the database
1924083;1563654644;diana_coman;k, I'll set it up
1924084;1563655450;diana_coman;is deedbot mia again?
1924085;1563655876;mp_en_viaje;http://trilema.com/2019/proper-html-linking-the-crisis-the-solution-the-resolution-conclusion/#comment-130042 << in other news, billymg had great refinement for whole thing, ditched troublemaking a tag!
1924086;1563656471;feedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2019/07/20/the-young-hands-club/ << Ossa Sepia -- The Young Hands Club
1924087;1563656578;diana_coman;with many thanks to BingoBoingo for his prompt and faultless service
1924088;1563656593;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-advertisings-collateral-damage-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Advertising's Collateral Damage. Adnotated.
1924089;1563658843;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, mazel tau
1924090;1563659430;billymg;mp_en_viaje: cheers!
1924091;1563659453;mp_en_viaje;yee!
1924092;1563659897;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-a-final-thought-on-chos-mental-illness-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - A Final Thought On Cho's Mental Illness. Adnotated.
1924093;1563661414;trinque;feh, ok. time to ditch the singaporean box.
1924094;1563664461;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-after-you-shoot-three-women-who-should-you-call-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - After You Shoot Three Women, Who Should You Call?. Adnotated.
1924095;1563665785;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/07/british-wankers-idly-wank-after-iran-retaliates-in-kind-by-seizing-problematic-british-ship/ << Qntra -- British Wankers Idly Wank After Iran Retaliates in Kind By Seizing Problematic British Ship
1924096;1563666018;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, "one of"
1924097;1563666052;BingoBoingo;ty, fxd
1924098;1563696184;mp_en_viaje;"are simply continue" lol.
1924099;1563696200;mp_en_viaje;in other news, holy shit adnotating tlp's fucking addictive
1924100;1563696222;mp_en_viaje;or, i suppose, from the other perspective, it's a wonder minsk people haven't taken over the literary world yet.
1924101;1563696227;mp_en_viaje;nothing to fucking do here but write
1924102;1563698250;bvt;hello. i'll be traveling this week, the end result is supposed to be a working trb node; i don't expect that any other productive work will be done otherwise. bvt_away is the account that i may switch to during this time.
1924103;1563698905;mp_en_viaje;gl!
1924104;1563707242;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-a-generational-pathology-narcissism-is-not-grandiosity-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - A Generational Pathology: Narcissism Is Not Grandiosity. Adnotated.
1924105;1563713852;diana_coman;hm, current vtools still don't handle move of files or what am I missing here? I made a simple test with moving one file to a different location and as far as I can see, it's still delete + create, no move
1924106;1563713881;diana_coman;here's the test patch and the run, respectively: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/oxfeV/?raw=true and http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/kLwrq/?raw=true
1924107;1563713931;diana_coman;in the patch (it's p2.vpatch in there), it's clear that the hashes are the same for the file so it IS the same file.
1924108;1563714110;diana_coman;ftr I used above vpatch and vdiff from phf's vtools at http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vtools-keccak-regrind/ ; is there anything newer that I missed somehow?
1924109;1563721525;mp_en_viaje;wtf
1924110;1563721648;asciilifeform;diana_coman et al : iirc phf stepped into his (unknown to me) bear trap right after proclaiming that will fix this item
1924111;1563721660;asciilifeform;so to date not fixed
1924112;1563721745;mp_en_viaje;tsk
1924113;1563721768;mp_en_viaje;phf ^
1924114;1563723208;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-a-little-bird-told-me-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - A Little Bird Told Me. Adnotated.
1924115;1563726571;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-all-girls-school-or-coed-which-is-better-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - All Girls School Or Coed? Which Is Better? Adnotated.
1924116;1563727714;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-am-radio-kids-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - AM Radio Kids. Adnotated.
1924117;1563734152;mp_en_viaje;so somewhere i told dpb that the false nature of his church thingee will become evident in time, through its poisonous fruits, in the shape of its complete sterility. but, of course, cant fucking find this anymore. anyone have it /
1924118;1563734271;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: possibly http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881528 ?
1924119;1563734271;a111;Logged on 2018-12-18 19:55 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881489 << then, logically, it belongs read by the feedbot of the channel of your church. just because the http://trilema.com/2014/the-death-of-taxes/#selection-185.0-185.1138 problem doesn't mean you get to assuage your evident awareness of what a shithead your bf is by hanging out with the cool chicks and pretending to some sort of comunion. go, get the tards off the mud they've been packin
1924120;1563734328;mp_en_viaje;yes, but no. it was quite in the format, "by its poisonous fruits will we know this church was actually devil's work" or somesuch.
1924121;1563734333;mp_en_viaje;except, of course, none of the words match
1924122;1563734345;asciilifeform;there was the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-16#1800302 likbez
1924123;1563734345;a111;Logged on 2018-04-16 19:07 mircea_popescu: trinque, "go to church" doesn't begin to describe it. here's the story as condensed by intel :
1924124;1563734354;mp_en_viaje;because i'm such a carefully innovative and polishedly expressive fellow, i never fucking use the same words for anything, for my sins.
1924125;1563734379;mp_en_viaje;nah, that was much prior.
1924126;1563735618;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: Perhaps http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-19#1803233 gets around the sterility point
1924127;1563735618;a111;Logged on 2018-04-19 05:55 mircea_popescu: so your plan for the ~rest of your life is to sit on a patch of dirt in ok and basically wait ?
1924128;1563735672;mp_en_viaje;nope ;/
1924129;1563735732;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-10#1500851
1924130;1563735732;a111;Logged on 2016-07-10 22:27 mircea_popescu: i suspect much more serious sticking points will come the other way. specifically, i suspect tmsr to be a larger intellectual force than whosoever darwin fish is, as a temporal rather than spiritual matter. consequently, the sticking point will not be inferences from him limiting us, but inferences from us driving him up the wall. for instance, obvious possible sticking point being that in tmsr doctrine, it is a sin to engage
1924131;1563735977;BingoBoingo;Leads to http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-10#1500869
1924132;1563735977;a111;Logged on 2016-07-10 22:35 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron at the very least the devil can't testify. who cares what the usg thinks you've done, nobody's liable to ask it, nor may it likely acquire a voice without losing itself.
1924133;1563736171;bvt;maybe this http://danielpbarron.com/2019/the-truth-often-seems-paradoxical/#comment-2713 ?
1924134;1563736257;mp_en_viaje;fuck, it was A COMMENT!
1924135;1563736269;mp_en_viaje;tyvm all for looking ; bvt actually found.
1924136;1563736289;mp_en_viaje;In any case, the 2016 premonition did come true : we do in fact now have a decent working statement of what the problem'd be with "the form of christianity you were importing there" : by its fruits we know it as a silly concoction of pointless waste, producing nothing, good for nothing [of this world], entirely meaningless and pointedly indistinguishable from "postmodern art" or whatever other diseases of the overfed. It'll suck you dry while you've
1924137;1563736289;mp_en_viaje; got any juice to be sucked, and that'll be that.
1924138;1563736327;BingoBoingo;Congrat bvt. Comment summarizing the 2016 convo
1924139;1563736540;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-19#1803287 << lol this exchange is still hysterical.
1924140;1563736540;a111;Logged on 2018-04-19 06:12 trinque: nah, I'm told my head wasn't as squashy as they often are
1924141;1563738284;mp_en_viaje;ikr.
1924142;1563744460;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-amy-schumer-offers-you-a-look-into-your-soul-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Amy Schumer Offers You A Look Into Your Soul. Adnotated.
1924143;1563748844;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/07/panama-disowns-the-other-tanker-seized-by-iran/ << Qntra -- Panama Disowns The Other Tanker Seized By Iran
1924144;1563779156;mp_en_viaje;keks. remember back when flying a flag meant something ? back in the days of [http://trilema.com/2018/incursion-in-classical-pantsuit-discourse/][richard cobden] an' the 4 night parliament debate on the 2nd opium war ?
1924145;1563780129;mp_en_viaje;nicoleci btw rereading http://trilema.com/2019/zece-mii-de-kilometri-de-filme-or-ten-thousand-kilometers-worth-of-movies-either-way/ it occurs to me, download fracture and bad times at el royale
1924146;1563780935;mp_en_viaje;in other "[http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/][optionality]/[http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/][failure]" lulz, i'm re-reading http://trilema.com/2014/lets-do-anjie-well-actually-let-me-do-anjie-while-you-watch/ because i linked it recently because i used a subpoint from it (the thing about STD gender disparity).
1924147;1563781232;mp_en_viaje;well, guess what ? https://theumlaut.com/ died back in 2015. as ballas SO APTLY [http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-amy-schumer-offers-you-a-look-into-your-soul-adnotated/?b=as%20if%20I%20was&e=again.#select][put it],
1924148;1563781237;mp_en_viaje;"You're thinking, "I don't want to hear about how everything is interpretable through the artificial paradigm of narrative structure--" as if it was me and not your god who made it this way, as if I was better able to invent a convenient fiction that happened to apply to you rather than describe a process that's been used for millennia. You think you're the first? You think no one but you has lived your life? Do you think you are so unique? Do you t
1924149;1563781237;mp_en_viaje;hink I just took a guess? This isn't the first time this game has been played, there've been over 100 generations of Guess What Happens Next and it is the exact same answer every single time. All of this has happened before and it will happen again."
1924150;1563781523;mp_en_viaje;(ps https://www.latimes.com/la-bio-andrea-castillo-staff.html ; of course.)
1924151;1563781675;mp_en_viaje;!Qlater tell mircea_popescu remember you wanted to !!rate -10 princessnell http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-22#1924146
1924152;1563781675;a111;Logged on 2019-07-22 07:35 mp_en_viaje: in other "[http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/][optionality]/[http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/][failure]" lulz, i'm re-reading http://trilema.com/2014/lets-do-anjie-well-actually-let-me-do-anjie-while-you-watch/ because i linked it recently because i used a subpoint from it (the thing about STD gender disparity).
1924153;1563781675;lobbesbot;mp_en_viaje: The operation succeeded.
1924154;1563781690;mp_en_viaje;nfi how she escaped the normal fate of these, but anyways.
1924155;1563782219;mp_en_viaje;"If you intend to spend your life avoiding objectification, you by that fact and necessarily will spend your life avoiding culture, wisdom, power and respect." tsk. the sad result of that re-read being a growing conviction that as trilema grows larger, the quality of my references grows weaker. i never used http://trilema.com/2014/lets-do-anjie-well-actually-let-me-do-anjie-while-you-watch/?b=If%20you%20in&e=respect#select as a reference point in an
1924156;1563782219;mp_en_viaje;y discussion ; though im pretty sure i've used other reference points in discussions where this'd have workded better.
1924157;1563782356;mp_en_viaje;what the fujck will i do with this disaster, the constant problem of "[http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Amircea+%22can%27t+find+it%22][fuck me, now i can't find it]" is one part ; the other part's that well... even when i think i know exactly what i want, an ever growing possibility is that in fact i don't, there's a better option i'm just not thinking of.
1924158;1563782371;mp_en_viaje;if only there were somehow possible to make a trilema compiler, that'd then shit out the AST for it...
1924159;1563783036;mp_en_viaje;upon meditation, i do not believe there exists throughout the history of human culture a better dataset to train "ai"/"machine learning" upon.
1924160;1563783036;mp_en_viaje;for one thing, the sheer volume -- larger things can be collected, but then they'd have to be of much lower coherence, something like "the gutenberg database of english literature" ; while similarily coherent things also exist (tho i'd argue it's still a "5, 3, 7, 2 and 4 are similar to 179" sort of similarity) but then they'd have to be much, much tinier.
1924161;1563783037;mp_en_viaje;but for the other, infinitely more important point -- of structure. this is natively digital, it wasn't digitized, it never existed in any other form. this shows, and not just because it links itself and it footnotes itself and structures itself deliberately in countless ways.
1924162;1563783041;mp_en_viaje;similar datasets might of course be constructed deliberately ("take all research paper in x field organized by etvos number or refcount or some metric"), but then they are... wrong! you end up constructing a dataset on some kind or manner of "global warming", which makes it exactly like "vampire fiction" or any other popcultural category, an exercise in kitsch fiction, meaning your ai [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-15#1887313][will not work], for f
1924163;1563783041;a111;Logged on 2019-01-15 17:41 asciilifeform: ( if you have ~any correlation in the independent bitstreams , you won't converge . the academiderps tried to get around this by using constructed prng's, had the expected result -- buncha dead trees and 0 working devices )
1924164;1563783046;mp_en_viaje;undamental reasons.
1924165;1563783048;mp_en_viaje;in short, i believe the ai-childrens' books are already written, just about. now if someone could just please get pregnant with an ai and deliver it to some sort of term, why... that'd be tits.
1924166;1563783841;mp_en_viaje;meanwhile in imperial news, i was re-reading 2016 and holy hell do three years make it obvious : the empire drones have optimized computing into "computing", whith a very obvious end goal of... making up more jobs!
1924167;1563783893;mp_en_viaje;by the time dood gets to http://trilema.com/2016/the-text-and-the-piddly-recantion/?b=Great&e=shit.#select it's FUCKING OBVIOUS why. "because this way, if the host you're parasitizing has any resources, you'll be promoted into an "orchestrator" and have 8-12 people (which can in the future expand into 8-12 teams) working under you. IT'S THE FUTURE!
1924168;1563783923;mp_en_viaje;or rather, it's the ~only possible future~ for the "workman" of marx and ziggler, sure as fuck the republic ain't about to give them "jobs" to "write about immigration".
1924169;1563784468;diana_coman;ha, I read the logs this morning and guess what - that http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-22#1924167 ref is precisely what I was looking for (to hit a young enthusiast over the head with)
1924170;1563784468;a111;Logged on 2019-07-22 08:24 mp_en_viaje: by the time dood gets to http://trilema.com/2016/the-text-and-the-piddly-recantion/?b=Great&e=shit.#select it's FUCKING OBVIOUS why. "because this way, if the host you're parasitizing has any resources, you'll be promoted into an "orchestrator" and have 8-12 people (which can in the future expand into 8-12 teams) working under you. IT'S THE FUTURE!
1924171;1563784496;mp_en_viaje;cool!
1924172;1563784518;mp_en_viaje;JIT stack over here at the republican forum! now all you gotta do is orchestrate it!
1924173;1563784542;diana_coman;orc-estrate it
1924174;1563784630;mp_en_viaje;ikr!
1924175;1563784647;mp_en_viaje;"so what do you do about foreign relations ?" "we hestrate orcs"
1924176;1563784989;diana_coman;given http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-11#1922329 and the total lack of answer even on http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-11#1922318 - what is the idea here with logging infrastructure ?
1924177;1563784989;a111;Logged on 2019-07-11 16:18 lobbes_field: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-11#1922319 << currently there exists no logotron web publishing glue. spyked is currently making headway on the 'cl-www kit' tho >> http://www.thetarpit.org/posts/y05/095-cl-who-ii.html
1924178;1563784989;a111;Logged on 2019-07-11 14:19 diana_coman: ben_vulpes can I have #ossasepia logged too please?
1924179;1563785032;diana_coman;might as well use my local log and publish it on my blog ?
1924180;1563785117;mp_en_viaje;is the situation basically that neither phf nor framedragger ever published anything, while ben_vulpes has a logger that's... was it published or not ? i recall joint publishing a bot with trinque, that's lacking what, web bindings ? and then spyked was working on one that's not ready and lobbes has one but he never published code ?
1924181;1563785505;spyked;mp_en_viaje, diana_coman: from my side, the infrastructure isn't ready, that is, the www server and possibly other pieces that I don't know about yet
1924182;1563785570;spyked;granted, I never set out to publish a logger www, but given the constant need and lack, I'll add it to my list
1924183;1563785693;spyked;initial item that sent me out on wwwistics was the image pastebin that mp_en_viaje suggested
1924184;1563785767;diana_coman;spyked: but you have something working, namely whatever you are using for #eulora logs, right? why not publish that?
1924185;1563785775;diana_coman;uhm, lobbes ^
1924186;1563786157;mp_en_viaje;this situation is not fucking tenable.
1924187;1563786157;mp_en_viaje;it's one thing to "not want to publish your code" ; not particularly respectable, at all, but whatever. if you do that, however, YOU MUST PROVIDE THE SERVICE. if you don't publish the code (even by the very modest yet perfectly acceptable standard of shipping an encrypted bundle to the asking lord) and you don't provide the service, then what the fuck are you doing ?
1924188;1563786162;mp_en_viaje;if i have a lord on the record asking for service TWO WEEKS AGO and bupkiss, what am i supposed to do ? tell them "sorry, this is the republic we don't have fish at..." like in the old joke ?!
1924189;1563786162;mp_en_viaje;irrespective of what "i am supposed to do", what i'm going to do is this : ima give everyone a ~short~ interval to bring their log stacks up to speed, meaning ~absolutely~ a complete and ready to use v-tree (even if it's just one genesis, like idiots) that they can send any asking lord -- and i don't give a flying fuck how "proud" you are of the code you're using, you're what you do not what you say, or what you imagine yourself you wish to be. that
1924190;1563786164;mp_en_viaje; code you are in fact using, that is who you ARE, stop pretending.
1924191;1563786169;mp_en_viaje;i guess ~optionally~ next-day service for any asking lord, in lieu of actual publishing -- which is a cop-out i will close my eyes upon for a limited time in the future. but in general, if you're not willing to share code within the l1, you have no business here at all.
1924192;1563786172;mp_en_viaje;after which ima simply start banning loggers in channel ; and i'll have a very dim oppinion of everyone involved -- for very good cause! ; and  i guess then have someone else make a proper logger, which will become mandatory because i'm not authorizing new ones until the old one fucks up.
1924193;1563786176;mp_en_viaje;wth is this bullshit, anyway! left to own devices how about we just driftwood forever into nothingness! when i discovered a problem with mp-wp, at night in fucking minsk, i was also ~publishing~ a solution the next fucking morning, what the everloving fuck already.
1924194;1563787509;spyked;re. [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-22#1924158][trilema compiler], I wonder what became of hanbot's http://thewhet.net/2018/01/the-trilema-article-database-a-toollet/ . was afaik the only attempt at indexing trilema
1924195;1563787509;a111;Logged on 2019-07-22 07:59 mp_en_viaje: if only there were somehow possible to make a trilema compiler, that'd then shit out the AST for it...
1924196;1563787526;mp_en_viaje;she got squished, iirc.
1924197;1563787690;spyked;re. ai/ml, supposedly google uses that (and it also crawls trilema.com), but it's useless most of the time. i recall wasting hours finding some particular piece via google, then discovering it by manually crawling or via logs
1924198;1563787886;mp_en_viaje;i believe google stopped trying cca 2005-2007 or so.
1924199;1563787921;mp_en_viaje;started all sorts of "side projects" ridiculousness, from hangouts or w/e to the above mentioned "gifee"
1924200;1563792053;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-an-army-of-narcissists-no-way-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - An Army of Narcissists? No Way. Adnotated.
1924201;1563792530;mp_en_viaje;meanwhile in items for the bahamas folder : hey BingoBoingo guess which femstate rep is front and center https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9c/15/cb/9c15cb96d68cb2d990ff1356c641632d.jpg ?
1924202;1563799547;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-22#1924180 << this is correct summary, in that no one has -- to date -- published a complete 'press and run' log sys.
1924203;1563799547;a111;Logged on 2019-07-22 08:45 mp_en_viaje: is the situation basically that neither phf nor framedragger ever published anything, while ben_vulpes has a logger that's... was it published or not ? i recall joint publishing a bot with trinque, that's lacking what, web bindings ? and then spyked was working on one that's not ready and lobbes has one but he never published code ?
1924204;1563799615;*;asciilifeform [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-06#1900722][asked] also, to 0 result
1924205;1563799615;a111;Logged on 2019-03-06 23:08 asciilifeform: if these were available, could stand up a logger in 10min or so..
1924206;1563799826;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: afaik the closest thing to a publication is ben_vulpes + trinque's item, where the irc and db backend [http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=bot][was genesised] , for some reason w/out the wwwistic frontend.
1924207;1563799936;asciilifeform;why phf never genesised his, wish i knew, imho it is the most feature-complete one
1924208;1563799954;asciilifeform;( didn't mp_en_viaje have tea with phf not long ago ? did he say anyffin re subj ? )
1924209;1563802498;mp_en_viaje;ok but that was the bot, iirc the view was "skeleton  bot", not even logger specifically
1924210;1563802764;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: [http://btcbase.org/patches/logbot-multiple-channels-corrected/tree/][trinque's piece] is the logger backend.
1924211;1563802778;asciilifeform;but indeed only the back side (db feeder), no www.
1924212;1563802859;mp_en_viaje;i recall there was a lisp bot, and yes then it got a logger appliance. that this is therefore "the logger" rather than the bot... i suppose we're discussing nominalisms
1924213;1563802893;mp_en_viaje;it ~occurs to me~ however, that some trivial glue would readily turn a db pre-populated by this logbot into mp-wp pages.
1924214;1563802948;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: what's the gain from feeding it into wp ?
1924215;1563802959;mp_en_viaje;that you can now display it.
1924216;1563802969;asciilifeform;as i understand, you'd suffer wp's geological-time search
1924217;1563802970;mp_en_viaje;wasn't that the problem ?
1924218;1563802979;mp_en_viaje;i have nfi what you're talking about.
1924219;1563802994;asciilifeform;e.g. why trilema has no search box ?
1924220;1563803009;asciilifeform;iirc mp_en_viaje once said 'aint worth the cpu cost'
1924221;1563803024;mp_en_viaje;which it aint ? i got a link into the db via cmdline, why would i implement it via web ?
1924222;1563803050;mp_en_viaje;mp-wp entirely exists as "this thing that displays a database" thing. if you already have a thing that feeds a database, and miss athing that displays it, then mp=wp very well could be it.
1924223;1563803176;asciilifeform;logtron gotta have phf-style search imho, to be of any use.
1924224;1563803212;*;asciilifeform not eaten mp-wp, does not know whether it includes enableable public search function somewhere, and if so whether can be easily repurposed for by-line srch
1924225;1563803253;asciilifeform;( BingoBoingo et al -- do you know ? )
1924226;1563803281;mp_en_viaje;really all you need is per-day search ; after that the... selection mechanism, lol! takes care of you
1924227;1563803303;asciilifeform;it would! wouldn't it
1924228;1563803306;mp_en_viaje;yes.
1924229;1563803398;*;asciilifeform suspects that mp_en_viaje is right, and a logtron frontend could be sewn outta mp's wp with minimal # of stitches.
1924230;1563803455;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, how appealing does the following sound to you : 1. run an instance of logbot, feeding the log into your mp-wp db, so that each day is publishd as a new post ; 2. have a special category for these, such as "logs" or w/e ; add a special search page, such that if one introduces a term is fed a list of days that include it, with the term preselected in the page by url.
1924231;1563803502;asciilifeform;i find it odd tho, that phf et al did not genesis, wtf, phf , didja use seekrit bolix tech in there ? what's the hangup?!
1924232;1563803521;asciilifeform;really imho would rather have genesis of phf's, than a php concoction
1924233;1563803542;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: hm, it would even make sense to publish on the younghands.club thing, classroom discussion
1924234;1563803548;mp_en_viaje;ayup!
1924235;1563803566;mp_en_viaje;can obviously be selective, #ossasepia there, that here, whatevers.
1924236;1563803606;diana_coman;well, not like one can't replicate then for any number of channels for that matter (different category each in the db or whatevers)
1924237;1563803629;mp_en_viaje;well, diff db as the case may be. you're running the youngthing off same db ?
1924238;1563803655;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: same db as what? the youngthing is on pizarro's shared stuff; my blog is on my rockchip so separate
1924239;1563803675;mp_en_viaje;so then to publish on youngthings.club the bot gotta insert into that db ; to publish on your blog, other db.
1924240;1563803713;diana_coman;ah, yes, certainly; I meant : if one wants several logs published on the same blog (why not, after all, not as if it can't make sense)
1924241;1563803729;mp_en_viaje;aha
1924242;1563803794;mp_en_viaje;of course, iirc logbot worked off postgres ?
1924243;1563803813;diana_coman;myeah, this is what I was trying to look up because iirc it IS postgres
1924244;1563803900;asciilifeform;iirc mp's wp can be sat on postgres
1924245;1563804080;diana_coman;myeah, it is postgres
1924246;1563804138;diana_coman;so uhm, basically it has to be a different mp-wp installation for logtron specifically?
1924247;1563804398;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, alternatively, you set up a mp-wp on postgres.
1924248;1563804405;mp_en_viaje;"should" work out of box.
1924249;1563804538;mp_en_viaje;~alternatively~, you write a glue api, taking things from logbot and putting it on your blog. may sound like a bad idea in this narrow context, but perhaps having a blog universal interfacer isn't a terrible idea, seeing how [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-20#1924068][maybe theres more usecases].
1924250;1563804538;a111;Logged on 2019-07-20 19:48 diana_coman: another can of worms
1924251;1563804705;diana_coman;sigh; I'll have to look at it in more detail one of those days, yes.
1924252;1563806500;mp_en_viaje;meanwhile in other lulz : [https://elaineou.com/]]the walking dead], talking about how wired read the logs and spun it into "content".
1924253;1563806519;mp_en_viaje;there possibly exists something in english outside of rewritting the republic, but i'll be damned if i know where to find it.
1924254;1563807097;diana_coman;rewritting the appearance and carefully not mentioning anything because "it's too much to dive in"
1924255;1563807810;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: mangled link ?
1924256;1563807828;mp_en_viaje;which ?
1924257;1563807833;asciilifeform;walkingdead
1924258;1563807844;mp_en_viaje;meanwhile in other lulz : [https://elaineou.com/][the walking dead], talking about how wired read the logs and spun it into "content".
1924259;1563807849;mp_en_viaje;yes ty, fixed above
1924260;1563807852;asciilifeform;np
1924261;1563808090;asciilifeform;'satellites offer the comfort of redundancy... ...lockstream isn’t launching satellites itself; it rents a small portion of the bandwidth on commercial satellites, which are mainly used for TV. The data is beamed up with enough bandwidth to ensure the blockchain stays up to date.' << pretty sure we had thread re this 'here have some inca central palace under guise of 'redundancy'' nuttery
1924262;1563808210;asciilifeform;... [http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-14#1697806][there] & elsewhere
1924263;1563808210;a111;Logged on 2017-08-14 18:53 asciilifeform: meanwhile, usg.prb folx claiming they will soon 'broadcast blocks from satellite', 'use prb without internet!111' -- leveraging the orbit monopoly to diddle 'these blox, mined by us, legal, other, terrorist blox -- orphans nao'
1924264;1563808315;asciilifeform;[http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-15#1698201][complete with the usual low-budget shills]
1924265;1563808315;a111;Logged on 2017-08-15 16:23 shinohai: Charlie Shrem on twatter: "Bounty: I want to run a full node and connect to @Blockstream satellite. Sell me a DIY kit with all requirements"
1924266;1563808372;mp_en_viaje;aha.
1924267;1563808383;mp_en_viaje;even microsoft apostrophes.
1924268;1563809159;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-an-education-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - An Education. Adnotated.
1924269;1563810869;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-22#1924201 << Had to tell if that is Mother Merkel or pre-transition Bibi Netanyahu
1924270;1563810869;a111;Logged on 2019-07-22 10:48 mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in items for the bahamas folder : hey BingoBoingo guess which femstate rep is front and center https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9c/15/cb/9c15cb96d68cb2d990ff1356c641632d.jpg ?
1924271;1563810879;mp_en_viaje;keks
1924272;1563810886;mp_en_viaje;afaik it's confirmed merkel
1924273;1563811739;BingoBoingo;!Qlater tell Mocky http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/H7jmt/?raw=true
1924274;1563811739;lobbesbot;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
1924275;1563811792;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: Figured it had to be either a Kibbutz or the German apology Kibbutzing
1924276;1563811828;mp_en_viaje;aha
1924277;1563811937;BingoBoingo;I know it's been talked about in chan here. The naked kids 24/7 in some effort to de-sex nudity and give them all panty fetishes like the post WWII Japs
1924278;1563812203;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: the sidebar on your www seems to have run away to footer
1924279;1563812214;asciilifeform;( looked on both vert. and horiz. screens, same )
1924280;1563812573;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, possibly the sarisuit revolution!
1924281;1563812578;mp_en_viaje;brb ima smallen that pic more.
1924282;1563812671;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, fixed ?
1924283;1563812704;asciilifeform;fixed on all but http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-an-education-adnotated/
1924284;1563812763;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-an-observation-about-the-current-election-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - An Observation About The Current Election. Adnotated.
1924285;1563818947;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/07/fsb-contractor-reportedly-breached-alleged-list-of-projects-circulating/ << Qntra -- FSB Contractor Reportedly Breached, Alleged List Of Projects Circulating
1924286;1563820283;mp_en_viaje;awww.
1924287;1563820312;asciilifeform;догоним и перегоним америку (tm)(r)
1924288;1563820689;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/waynes-world/ << Trilema -- Wayne's World
1924289;1563822313;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-another-diagnosis-of-schizophrenia-this-time-with-cats-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Another Diagnosis Of Schizophrenia, This Time With Cats. Adnotated.
1924290;1563823418;lobbesbot;!!up lobbes_field
1924291;1563823419;deedbot;lobbes_field voiced for 30 minutes.
1924292;1563823436;lobbes_field;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-22#1924185 << ack. I will make it a priority publish my #eulora logotron coad. Though please note: that thing was something I hacked together back in 2015, before I even 'knew' unix/python etc. (It is ugly)
1924293;1563823436;a111;Logged on 2019-07-22 08:56 diana_coman: uhm, lobbes ^
1924294;1563823466;lobbes_field;In other words, I intend to replace the entire #eulora logotron with the python/php logotron 'glue' I intend to write: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-11#1922331
1924295;1563823466;a111;Logged on 2019-07-11 16:19 lobbes_field: Relatedly, I'm thinking that once I produce the mod_lisp vpatch, I may just leave the rest of the cl-www project to spyked, while I instead work on a 'python/php www kit.
1924296;1563823491;lobbes_field;And seeing as how there is an ever mounting need for logotronics these days, I'm going to bump those items up to #1 on my list.
1924297;1563823507;lobbes_field;Of course, I'm still sorting out my homebase issues alluded to in: http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/07/forward-looking-report-weeks-28-31-of-2019/
1924298;1563823522;lobbes_field;For context, I've had a dysfunctional (as in, the buck never stops) relationship with this girl for ~8 yrs. It is a major obstacle to my simply being able to think. I.e. my private and public spheres are not aligned... at all.
1924299;1563823537;lobbes_field;It is my fault for simply being born with head cockroaches and failing to communicate at various levels (that trope again). Still, it has to be addressed. But you know how these things go; it takes time and attention to properly address
1924300;1563823560;lobbes_field;I may fall out of the L1 while addressing, but one thing is sure: I will absolutely fall out of the L1 if I don't. Hallucinated choice is no choice. But for now, the $saltimes call. Bbl
1924301;1563826361;mp_en_viaje;lobbes, you'll live. anyway, get that thing published so others can patch on it and thus lighten your own workload!
1924302;1563829041;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile the headlines in women's futbol are all about the men https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/bonomi-hubo-gente-que-planifico-generar-un-problema-en-el-clasico-femenino-2019722154054
1924303;1563836188;Mocky;lobbes if you want to relocate 3 hours east, 90% chance I can get you a job in Ral, I have a spare room you can stay in while you look for a place, ditch the dysfunction, we'll find new girls
1924304;1563836188;lobbesbot;Mocky: Sent 6 hours and 47 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/H7jmt/?raw=true
1924305;1563836233;Mocky;for you and get you a fresh start
1924306;1563836243;Mocky;BingoBoingo: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/NLB0W/?raw=true
1924307;1563836778;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-another-final-word-on-chos-mental-illness-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Another Final Word On Cho's Mental Illness. Adnotated.
1924308;1563837061;mp_en_viaje;lol that's a thought.
1924309;1563837225;asciilifeform;relatedly, not long ago some d00d rolled a cart fulla jerry cans into a cartoon studio in jp and burned whole thing down. shouted 'die, plagiarists'
1924310;1563837255;asciilifeform;reportedly, 'not arrested, because was registered nutter' (possible mistransl.?)
1924311;1563837306;asciilifeform;34+ dead chix.
1924312;1563837595;mp_en_viaje;did they plagiarize anything
1924313;1563837600;asciilifeform;nfi!
1924314;1563837606;asciilifeform;seems not-impossible
1924315;1563837625;asciilifeform;i think they made flicks for little gurls
1924316;1563837711;asciilifeform;volkischer beobachter is [https://archive.is/MYTJP][trying to spin it as counter-feminist crime somehow]
1924317;1563837811;mp_en_viaje;is that a bad thing ?
1924318;1563837847;asciilifeform;sorta like ye old 'pravda', they gotta give Official Party Line, can't simply shuddup
1924319;1563837980;asciilifeform;unrelatedly, meanwhile [http://s.ragavan.co/][diana_coman's student baked a wp and posting!]
1924320;1563838248;mp_en_viaje;http://s.ragavan.co/?p=8?b=TODO&e=#select << who the heck is shrysr?!
1924321;1563838269;mp_en_viaje;!!up shrysr
1924322;1563838269;deedbot;shrysr voiced for 30 minutes.
1924323;1563838273;asciilifeform;him
1924324;1563838280;asciilifeform;diana_coman's student, lives in #ossasepia
1924325;1563838284;mp_en_viaje;oh!
1924326;1563838356;mp_en_viaje;i got a trackback, first thoguht wtf is this spam (cuz you know, weird literal strings), then "holy shit wut is that url structure". had a 0.3 seconds of mental chaos.
1924327;1563838360;asciilifeform;very cautious an' pessimistic indian fella. used to design hydraulic pumps etc. 'Must look into asciilifeform‘s implementation of v.py (V versioning system) and formulate a plan of action. At first look, I have absolutely not an inkling of what is going on, and I am worried it will take a lifetime to do this'
1924328;1563838394;mp_en_viaje;notbad.
1924329;1563838420;*;mp_en_viaje is now setting aside reading bimbo's blog for whic hhe had set aside reading tlp bundle to read indian fella.
1924330;1563838428;mp_en_viaje;hopefully these stop closing before i drown!
1924331;1563838735;mp_en_viaje;"13. Improved happiness and content levels by increased engagement with brilliant people ?" << adorbs.
1924332;1563838746;mp_en_viaje;hey shrysr what's it like where you live ?
1924333;1563838780;asciilifeform;iirc he ended up in reich somewhere
1924334;1563838852;mp_en_viaje;sounds a little... how shall we put this. oppressed.
1924335;1563839327;shrysr;mp_en_viaje: heyy.. thanks for the 'voice'... though i'm not really sure right now what that means.
1924336;1563839338;mp_en_viaje;just means you can talk here.
1924337;1563839355;shrysr;:D
1924338;1563839451;shrysr;mp_en_viaje: whats it like.... hmm.... i usually say that I am ok anywhere with reasonable internet and of course a computer. For most other outsiders- its probably close to unbearable
1924339;1563839497;shrysr;asciilifeform: :D pessimistic ! lol.
1924340;1563839510;mp_en_viaje;so where is it ? what do you do ?
1924341;1563839529;shrysr;mp_en_viaje: that link is because of my export from emacs org-mode to markdown, which was then copied into WP
1924342;1563839539;mp_en_viaje;aha.
1924343;1563839612;shrysr;i will setup direct publishing... and it shd be much better then. i live in a town called sundre, in Alberta. about an hour from the city calgary which I;'ve never been to
1924344;1563839732;mp_en_viaje;why not ?
1924345;1563839944;shrysr;I'm a mechanical engg, by education (masters). My first 'love' was computational fluid dynamics (CFD), which is essentially simulating fluid flow on (usually) distributed computing clusters. i was into simulation driven design. Total work exp around 6 years. Spent the first 3 with a pump company in R&D doing CFD and hydraulic design.... it wasnt enough. Shifted out to 'applications engg' or technical sales
1924346;1563839947;shrysr;with a combustion equipment mftr for 2 years...wasn't enough... migrated to canada. Spent a year desperately 'looking for a job'. Decided to start prep to switch into data science at this point....
1924347;1563840042;shrysr;got current job Aug 2018. Another combustion equipment mftr... as an Engg. Currently 'digitising' manual workflows...implementing an ERP system called erpnext.
1924348;1563840132;mp_en_viaje;!!up shrysr
1924349;1563840133;deedbot;shrysr voiced for 30 minutes.
1924350;1563840142;mp_en_viaje;erp can be fun.
1924351;1563840170;shrysr;mp_en_viaje: hmm... by the time I got a job... All i wanted to do was work. I guess it was always a bit like that. Init was difficult... getting a car license etc... i dont know. I guess i never felt like it.
1924352;1563840199;mp_en_viaje;but aren't you curious to see places ? check out the calgary sluts maybe
1924353;1563840272;shrysr;mp_en_viaje: i am. but not enough i guess.
1924354;1563840344;mp_en_viaje;makes sense.
1924355;1563840471;shrysr;i was curious to know how you guys got together ?
1924356;1563840486;mp_en_viaje;over many years, actually.
1924357;1563840527;shrysr;every geek here a software engg ?
1924358;1563840573;mp_en_viaje;most, at any rate.
1924359;1563840660;mp_en_viaje;if you look at people's histories (eg, http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3AMocky&page=16 ) you generall run into an introduction. like with you.
1924360;1563840789;mp_en_viaje;ie, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-19#1815564
1924361;1563840789;a111;Logged on 2018-05-19 17:28 Mocky: for a living, well i wasn't good enough to sling dope, so i became a java programmer
1924362;1563843119;BingoBoingo;Mocky: Ty, will check in the morning
1924363;1563844883;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-another-honor-killing-that-isnt-about-honor-and-even-less-about-nietzsche-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Another Honor Killing That Isn't About Honor, And Even Less About Nietzsche. Adnotated.
1924364;1563846086;feedbot;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3420 << Loper OS -- M Genesis.
1924365;1563846122;asciilifeform;!#later tell phf plox to snarf vpatch in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3420 , ty.
1924366;1563846127;asciilifeform;grr
1924367;1563846128;asciilifeform;#!later tell phf plox to snarf vpatch in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3420 , ty.
1924368;1563846131;asciilifeform;hrm
1924369;1563846149;asciilifeform;!Q later tell phf plox to snarf vpatch in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3420 , ty.
1924370;1563846149;lobbesbot;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1924371;1563846154;asciilifeform;apologies for log clutter.
1924372;1563846173;*;asciilifeform 's regularly scheduled conveyor will resume shortly.
1924373;1563866658;mp_en_viaje;i sadly forgot to link http://qntra.net/2018/03/europol-arrests-unnamed-man-for-politely-persuading-eurobanks-to-part-with-cash/ in the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-14#1922441 discussion. should have had.
1924374;1563866658;a111;Logged on 2019-07-14 15:17 mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, in other lulz, nicole dredged up local blondy ex-mech engineer turned java developer (sorry mocky, chick never heard of you). she intends to start her out outsourcing comp (because hates working with idiots ; yet if challenged "what you gonna do when rich ?" she wants to come up with some garbage sorting solution, because idiots do ~nothing but produce garbage and she doesn't understand the beheadingof
1924375;1563869852;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-another-man-gets-harassed-at-an-airport-this-time-on-purpose-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Another Man Gets Harassed At An Airport, This Time On Purpose. Adnotated.
1924376;1563878557;feedbot;http://bimbo.club/2019/07/bear/ << Bimbo.Club -- Bear
1924377;1563881602;mp_en_viaje;this adnotating shit is fucking addictive.
1924378;1563882580;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-another-round-of-the-ultimatum-game-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Another Round Of The Ultimatum Game. Adnotated.
1924379;1563906240;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-23#1924373 <<I'd forgetten that gem was in the archive
1924380;1563906240;a111;Logged on 2019-07-23 07:24 mp_en_viaje: i sadly forgot to link http://qntra.net/2018/03/europol-arrests-unnamed-man-for-politely-persuading-eurobanks-to-part-with-cash/ in the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-14#1922441 discussion. should have had.
1924381;1563907027;*;BingoBoingo got struck with what appears to be gastroenteritis  around 5am. IIRC this is the first time in Uruguay despite the shits being the joke folks back in old country tell themselves in order to not have to write themselves the "go south" option.
1924382;1563908128;diana_coman;take care of yourself BingoBoingo
1924383;1563908256;mp_en_viaje;yeah, drink some cvas
1924384;1563908259;mp_en_viaje;or something
1924385;1563908262;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: I've had worse back in old country.
1924386;1563908378;*;BingoBoingo suspects mp_en_viaje experienced worse GI upset that time he ate a slim jim
1924387;1563908438;mp_en_viaje;wait, when was this ?
1924388;1563908488;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: At some point you reported consuming a US-type preserved "meat" product, iirc within the last year
1924389;1563908527;mp_en_viaje;hmmm
1924390;1563908538;mp_en_viaje;blessfully forgot
1924391;1563909182;BingoBoingo;AH, found it http://trilema.com/2018/jap-deva/ almost a year ago
1924392;1563909527;BingoBoingo;Anyways, bananas, yogurt, third world infant rehydration satches, and bleach for all the fomites that tolerate bleach. "alcohol rectificado ANCAP" for the fomites that don't.
1924393;1563909915;mp_en_viaje;hey, who was the "professor" of "economics", chakashakamaka indian dude ?
1924394;1563909947;mp_en_viaje;Chowdhry there we go
1924395;1563910120;BingoBoingo;AHA http://btcbase.org/log/2015-11-06#1318943
1924396;1563910120;a111;Logged on 2015-11-06 22:32 adlai: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bhagwan-chowdry/i-shall-happily-accept-th_b_8462028.html "Satoshi Nakamoto already is in possession of several hundred million U.S. dollars worth of bitcoins so the additional prize money may not mean much to him. Only if he wants, the committee could also transfer the prize money to my bitcoin address, 165sAHBpLHujHbHx2zSjC898oXEz25Awtj. Mr Nakamoto and I will settle
1924397;1563910141;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-11-15#1324543
1924398;1563910141;a111;Logged on 2015-11-15 01:04 mircea_popescu: Professor Chowdhry has recently proposed Financial Access at Birth (FAB) initiative in which every child born in the world is given an initial deposit of $100 in an online bank account to guarantee that everyone in the world will have access to financial services in a few decades.You can read about the initiative by clicking here..
1924399;1563912348;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-another-school-shooting-sort-of-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Another School Shooting -- Sort Of? Adnotated.
1924400;1563912880;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 'revenge of montesuma' ?
1924401;1563912915;mp_en_viaje;after a year ?!
1924402;1563912917;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I suspect I took the morcillas off the parrilita too soon.
1924403;1563912936;*;BingoBoingo has been drinking the tap water here the whole time
1924404;1563912942;asciilifeform;even 2y neh
1924405;1563913006;mp_en_viaje;speaking of, /me bought a bottle of this very nice ginger cvas to take home one day, from this pretty cool stolle place, they make their own pies
1924406;1563913023;mp_en_viaje;then next time, bought 3. discovered accidentally it'll ferment itself into perfection if left out for day
1924407;1563913031;mp_en_viaje;so earlier today, bought ... 7 bottles. YAY
1924408;1563913075;BingoBoingo;Nice
1924409;1563913131;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-a-not-very-happy-observation-about-being-a-woman-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - A not very happy observation about +/- being a woman. Adnotated.
1924410;1563913975;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-antispychotics-and-lawyers-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Antispychotics and Lawyers. Adnotated.
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1924413;1563915658;BingoBoingo;Nice
1924414;1563915820;mp_en_viaje;lol
1924415;1563918332;BingoBoingo;"Yo confío mucho más en los finlandeses que en nosotros. No van a poner bosta arriba de la mesa donde comen, porque tienen mucho para ganar. Si fueran unos capitalistas chantas de corto vuelo, buscan hacer unos mangos y dejan el agujero. Estos trabajan con un sentido de largo plazo", aseguró Mujica. << https://www.montevideo.com.uy/Noticias/Mujica-celebro-instalacion-de-UPM2--Confio-mas-en-los-finlandeses-que-en-nosotros--uc725005
1924416;1563922141;Mocky;!!invoice BingoBoingo 0.052 Buy order # 1050: 500 WFF
1924417;1563922152;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/RzQOT/?raw=true
1924418;1563922197;Mocky;!!v 2CD327B20B024A61684F9BBBDCF79D601E8B9E7429655D62E8405443D648A704
1924419;1563922201;deedbot;Invoiced BingoBoingo 0.052 << Buy order # 1050: 500 WFF
1924420;1563926691;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in measurements : performance of http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3420 system : as measured by a) 'bogomips' (linus's benchmark) : 93.4 times slower than host cpu; b) 'dhrystone' (traditional integer benchmark) : 300.98 times slower than host cpu.
1924421;1563926876;asciilifeform;most of the 'ding' is in the tlb lookup .
1924422;1563926901;asciilifeform;(actual iron does it in O(1), emulated -- naturally in O(N), where N is up to all 16 entries in tlb table)
1924423;1563927035;asciilifeform;i.e. sitting on 3GHz 'opteron', a 'm' session is approx on part with 486dx, in re ops/sec.
1924424;1563927064;asciilifeform;can prolly be improved somewhat, via cycle-shaving, but not by order of magnitude.
1924425;1563927088;asciilifeform;i'ma let BingoBoingo think re whether it makes sense to offer shared hosting on a thing like that. (or whether folx will simply die of laughter)
1924426;1563927594;*;asciilifeform predicted initially that cost would be ~40x vs host, based on avg. # of x86 instrs. taken per simulated instr.
1924427;1563927611;asciilifeform;apparently pipeline blow is substantial factor here.
1924428;1563927814;asciilifeform;seems like ~this~ is the actual (vs. 'i-can't-believe-it's-not-butter' vmware et al) cost of 100% process isolation on pc.
1924429;1563927852;asciilifeform;afaik this is the 1st attempt to measure it, too ( i.e. with max sweat over cycles, 0 c in proggy, 0 libs, etc sim. )
1924430;1563928075;asciilifeform;i/o, however, is only ~4x slower than host's, so in fact one ~could~ run e.g. trb on it.
1924431;1563928091;asciilifeform;(~why~ is diff q.)
1924432;1563928576;asciilifeform;to be pedantically exact : 66.35 'bogomips' (on 3GHz opteron) , and [https://archive.is/T90O0][published table] gives e.g. 'Pentium/166  66.36'. i was unable to find similar table of classics for 'dhrystone' .
1924433;1563928628;asciilifeform;( if anyone finds -- plox to write in. )
1924434;1563928840;asciilifeform;'Dhrystones per Second:  28112.8' on same.
1924435;1563928911;asciilifeform;^ figure on properly unloaded box, vs. earlier; ~= 252.3x slower than host on same benchm.
1924436;1563929797;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923606 << This is a neat-o vpatch [http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-September/000312.html]['who gave'], but it came in just after the 'NO NEW WORK IN SHA PLOX'; so there are a few like this that probably will go into TRB main Vtree once the Lordship reviews/audits the proposed Keccak TRB Vtree; perhaps possibly after TRB has a new home OS/environment.
1924437;1563929797;a111;Logged on 2019-07-19 13:58 asciilifeform: revisiting upstack : hey mod6 , did 'who-gave' ever make it into flagship vtree ? ( i dun see it [http://btcbase.org/patches][there] ... )
1924438;1563929843;*;asciilifeform updated [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3420][the orig. 'm' article] re subj.
1924439;1563929847;asciilifeform;wb mod6
1924440;1563929883;mod6;(My apologies for the delayed response).  Anyway, long story short, we're in a bit of a holding pattern on new vpatches atm.
1924441;1563929912;mod6;thanks asciilifeform!  Just trying to catch up on logs/blogs atm.  Been behind all month!
1924442;1563930201;mod6;In light of recent conversations re: v (large genesis), ebuilds; [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-08#1922036][this] needs some review still.
1924443;1563930201;a111;Logged on 2019-07-08 04:01 mp_en_viaje: meanwhile speaking of http://bvt-trace.net/2019/07/vdiff-vpatch-blockwise-keccaking/#footnote_0_42 would someone look at that ?
1924444;1563930387;mod6;In a few days, once I'm caught back up, if still no one has tested this, I'll give it a try.
1924445;1563931345;asciilifeform;mod6: i was gonna genesis a kernel for that thing, but nao after sad benchmark thinkin', it's of ~0 use outside of [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-04#1916965][very] specialized [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-18#1923204][applications]
1924446;1563931345;a111;Logged on 2019-06-04 00:51 asciilifeform: incidentally, i generate these by machine, and it takes about 3sec per. would have put it as a [http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1730023][net-connected hopper thing] aeons ago, BUT it of course uses a heathen render (there are no 'demonstrably electrically correct' pdf eaters, and i dun expect one to exist) and suffers from [https://archive.is/f9hNX][the obvious problem]
1924447;1563931345;a111;Logged on 2019-07-18 05:03 asciilifeform: at some pt somebody's gonna have to audit a snapshot of bin gnat. which wouldja rather ?
1924448;1563931486;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje, i predict, will cackle, say, 'toldja, dummkopf'
1924449;1563931512;mod6;yeah, oof.  I saw your post re-'M', will try to read through here soon.  I did see your benchmark comments above tho.
1924450;1563931530;asciilifeform;mod6: you can safely skip it, it's a ~null result
1924451;1563931575;mod6;asciilifeform: ok, cheers.
1924452;1563931619;asciilifeform;conceivably there is a use for e.g. cuntoo that loads from memory snapshot in <3sec but runs 'like pentium 166'
1924453;1563931625;asciilifeform;but prolly not in piz
1924454;1563931670;mod6;Seems hard to imagine, ya.
1924455;1563931848;mod6;BingoBoingo: hope you feel better soon!
1924456;1563932013;asciilifeform;to round off that thread -- asciilifeform strongly suspects that kernel would run 100-200x faster on the 10 $ 'ice40' than on opteron-cum-'M'
1924457;1563932223;asciilifeform;( for that matter -- if e.g. mp_en_viaje one day bakes actual silicon cpu , would run on par with pc, with unchanged soft. )
1924458;1563932698;*;asciilifeform might even be wrong, and it is conceivable that 'dhrystone of pentium166 but i/o of opteron' actually suffices to e.g. host blogs.
1924459;1563932709;asciilifeform;esp. w/ trimmed userland.
1924460;1563932817;*;asciilifeform off to wipe sad chalkboard , and then meat.
1924461;1563956716;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-24#1924425 << it doesn't seem practical.
1924462;1563956716;a111;Logged on 2019-07-24 00:11 asciilifeform: i'ma let BingoBoingo think re whether it makes sense to offer shared hosting on a thing like that. (or whether folx will simply die of laughter)
1924463;1563956737;mp_en_viaje;is there no way to fix the lookup ?
1924464;1563956835;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-24#1924440 << be "we" meaning you, and by "atm" meaning year+.
1924465;1563956835;a111;Logged on 2019-07-24 00:58 mod6: (My apologies for the delayed response).  Anyway, long story short, we're in a bit of a holding pattern on new vpatches atm.
1924466;1563956842;mp_en_viaje;and yes, i'm aware.
1924467;1563956889;mp_en_viaje;i dunno how exactly you came up with some magic incantations that'll make it okay. however, to repeat this the 5th or so time : there is no magic ; it did not make it okay.
1924468;1563957014;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-24#1924445 << well, cuntoo genesis.
1924469;1563957014;a111;Logged on 2019-07-24 01:22 asciilifeform: mod6: i was gonna genesis a kernel for that thing, but nao after sad benchmark thinkin', it's of ~0 use outside of [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-04#1916965][very] specialized [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-18#1923204][applications]
1924470;1563957152;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-24#1924458 << does not, because "host blogs" includes http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-23#1547594
1924471;1563957152;a111;Logged on 2019-07-24 01:44 asciilifeform might even be wrong, and it is conceivable that 'dhrystone of pentium166 but i/o of opteron' actually suffices to e.g. host blogs.
1924472;1563957152;a111;Logged on 2016-09-23 13:59 mircea_popescu: they ddosed trilema, qntra etc - nothing happened ; they had their agent ddosed - that's the end of the road for him.
1924473;1563957340;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, don't feel too bad, this isn't "sad" just because not obviously useful ; it's glorious, because correct. id much rather read this than w/e, say yest's attempt at [https://www.2novelsread.com/read/the-claiming-of-sleeping-beauty-sleeping-beauty-1/page-1-1108903][the claiming of sleeping beauty].
1924474;1563958099;mp_en_viaje;(what happened was that 1. i was looking through search results for "daughter encounter", the why we'll not include as we can't regress this storytelling forever into endless past ; and then 2. ran into [https://edition.cnn.com/2014/02/26/justice/oklahoma-arrest-death-video/index.html][dude killed for being dude], which i suppose is kinda sad, but w/e, america rite ; and then 3. fell on "Take It For Daddy: A Rough an
1924475;1563958099;mp_en_viaje;d Reluctant Bondage-Sex Encounter Between Stepdad and Daughter", The world’s greatest erotica writer, Kelly Leigh proudly presents "Take It For Daddy" – Incredibly hot sex stories featuring stepdaughters and their stepfathers!
1924476;1563958099;mp_en_viaje;which 4. made me exclaim "what the fuck is wrong with these idiots, ~I~ am the world's greatest erotica writer, and by such a fat margin that if i were the mvp of the winning team, nobody else writing erotica would be even good enough to be accepted as last choice in one of the feeder clubs of the conference's weakest team.
1924477;1563958103;mp_en_viaje;which in turn 5. provoked girly to mention anne rice, because whatever, as a virgin tween she got really hot and bothered over the princess getting sold by the prince to some merchants who stuffed her cunt fulla figs and such things.
1924478;1563958107;mp_en_viaje;so she found me a copy, and 6. i proceeded to read. and i ran into bounty aplenty, such as :
1924479;1563958109;mp_en_viaje;6.a. "And approaching her, he gave a soft gasp as he touched her cheek, and her teeth through her parted lips, and then her tender rounded eyelids." sparked protest because ~everyone else~ is fucking decrepit and gaunt and dusted over in spider webs, so the disparity provokes in me the expectation a spider's jumping right out, antisexual 100%
1924480;1563958113;mp_en_viaje;6.b. "Her face was perfect to him" provoked protest because it's a cop out : the woman "kills two rabbits with one stone", by avoiding BOTH the work of describing her face, AND the work of explaining credibly why these two like each other. yet the job of the writer is 100% and precisely NOT to make this deal ; because if they make it, even once, then their story inescapably becomes "this is a good^H^H^H^Hgreat story'
1924481;1563958118;mp_en_viaje;, five words like that.
1924482;1563958122;mp_en_viaje;6.c. "her embroidered gown had fallen deep into the crease between her legs so that he could see he shape of her sex beneath it" produced the protestation that this woman has never seen embroidery (or, i guess, never seen girls in work out pants without panties).
1924483;1563958126;mp_en_viaje;6.d. "Her ni**les were a rosy pink as were her lips, and the hair between her legs was darkly yellow and curlier than the long straight hair of her head, which covered her arms almost down to her hips on either side of her." actually killed the read, because 6.d.I. the rosy pink of the lips is NEVER THE SAME as the hue of the lips, this is 9yo coloring ; yet I have seen four digit young cunts and the two hues are alw
1924484;1563958131;mp_en_viaje;ays eminently distinct
1924485;1563958133;mp_en_viaje;6.d.II. wtf is "darkly yellow" ; 6.d.III. wtf is "curlier than perfectly straight" ; 6.d.IV. you DO NOT wish to have her arms "covered in hair" ; then he proceeds to 6.d.V. "cut her sleeves" in the very next line, notwithstanding she was saying "arms" here, and well, i can not read this.
1924486;1563958137;mp_en_viaje;this read mechanically failed ; i have no qualms with whoever managed to jack off to anne rice nevertheless -- but it is NOT good. even if it works for you.
1924487;1563958150;mp_en_viaje;because "works for me" ain't the fucking criteria of goodness. mp being able to read through the thing, ie, CORRECTNESS, is the criteria of goodness.
1924488;1563958190;mp_en_viaje;so there you go, i'd rather read you than  A. N. Roquelaure ; and this isn't a rhetorical turn of phrase, it is literal description of actual historical occurrence.
1924489;1563958260;mp_en_viaje;and no -- no apologies for log clutter ; this imo is the exact opposite of log clutter. this is because there are no spurious details included -- if it's long, it's because the point is intricate.
1924490;1563959150;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-24#1924476 << this, btw, includes all, living and dead, from d. h. lawrence to whoever the fuck you wish to pick, salo 0.1 marquis de sade, jane austen, WHOEVER [http://trilema.com/2016/an-essay-on-woman-in-three-epistles-by-john-wilkes-esq/][wilkes], [http://trilema.com/2017/zuleika-dobson-or-an-proper-love-story/][beerbohm],
1924491;1563959150;a111;Logged on 2019-07-24 08:48 mp_en_viaje: which 4. made me exclaim "what the fuck is wrong with these idiots, ~I~ am the world's greatest erotica writer, and by such a fat margin that if i were the mvp of the winning team, nobody else writing erotica would be even good enough to be accepted as last choice in one of the feeder clubs of the conference's weakest team.
1924492;1563959150;mp_en_viaje;[http://trilema.com/2017/talent-triumphant-or-on-empathy/][Ekström/Hasdeu], [http://trilema.com/2018/double-indemnity-but-proper-like/][J M Cain], [http://trilema.com/2018/ye-autre-damozel/][d g rosetti], really ~obscure~ shit a la [http://trilema.com/2012/literatura-la-prima-ora-sau-capitolul-i/][a musina] or [http://trilema.com/2012/sa-facem-o-pastisa/#comment-125493][nobody]...
1924493;1563959151;mp_en_viaje;there just is nobody the fuck else, not even fucking close, nor ever was. and we're not even discussing ~range~ here, the fact that i'm one and these are legion. we're simply saying that out of all humans who ever lived, nobody came even close in any way and on any direction. i own erotica like zeus owns olympus.
1924494;1563959299;mp_en_viaje;actually come to think of it, fuck that, ima put this in the bylines.
1924495;1563974829;asciilifeform;meanwhile, [http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/kIPbK/?raw=true][overnight dhrystone] .
1924496;1563974914;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-24#1924461 << understatement, lol
1924497;1563974914;a111;Logged on 2019-07-24 08:25 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-24#1924425 << it doesn't seem practical.
1924498;1563975033;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-24#1924470 << the sheer waste of current aside -- not sure that ~this~ : let's gedankenexperiment, and picture a 'M' running apache, under ddos:
1924499;1563975033;a111;Logged on 2019-07-24 08:32 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-24#1924458 << does not, because "host blogs" includes http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-23#1547594
1924500;1563975118;asciilifeform;the way i was gonna implement the nic, is to pipe packets via linux's 'tap/tun' into a slot in the 'm' mmio space (see bus.asm) and generate slave irq (see irq.asm) . if these arrive faster than the irq can be eaten, they simply get dropped.
1924501;1563975147;asciilifeform;grr phf is it gonna take 2 months for the thing to be in btcbase.org/patches so i can link to it ?!
1924502;1563975359;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-24#1924463 << on the actual iron, it happens in 1 clock cycle, cuz entirely parallel. in 'm', ends up iterating through all 16 tlb entries. i looked into using 'simd' instructions to do it, but they are ~artfully~ useless , ended up using the xmm regs strictly as fast temp storage;
1924503;1563975359;a111;Logged on 2019-07-24 08:25 mp_en_viaje: is there no way to fix the lookup ?
1924504;1563975393;asciilifeform;originally was at least gonna park the tlb ~in~ the xmm regs. but guesswat, there aint even a way, in 1 clock cycle, to get anything other than low 64bit out of'em !
1924505;1563975408;asciilifeform;world's most retarded machine arch, the pc is.
1924506;1563975624;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-24#1924495 << for comparison, btw, 2m 23.2s for same 1000000000 runs on host box.
1924507;1563975624;a111;Logged on 2019-07-24 13:27 asciilifeform: meanwhile, [http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/kIPbK/?raw=true][overnight dhrystone] .
1924508;1563975639;asciilifeform;if bellard were here, would prolly cackle.
1924509;1563976227;mp_en_viaje;hey phf, did you disappear ?
1924510;1563976315;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, artfully useless how ?
1924511;1563976571;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: well, on my opteron, they're 128bit regs (on moar recent -- 256 and even 512!) but only the lower 64 is directly addressable. and gives buncha 'simd' ops, e.g. 'shuffles' where 'take erry 7th bit and add'em' etc. but looked and looked an' found nothing that'd correspond to table lookup
1924512;1563976615;asciilifeform;[https://www.chessprogramming.org/SIMD_and_SWAR_Techniques][closest thing to likbez].
1924513;1563976796;asciilifeform;kernel-mode coad btw bypasses the tlb, so runs with the expected ~40x slowdown.
1924514;1563976875;asciilifeform;( for n00bz / tlbism (aka mmu) is how os gives individual userland process the illusion of 'infinite memory, starting from addr 0', paging, etc )
1924515;1563977116;asciilifeform;grr since can't link, will paste [http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/DBsDN/?raw=true][relevant piece].
1924516;1563977692;asciilifeform;to add insult to injury, asciilifeform knows how to represent 'x bit lookup from x*k-bit string representing table' via arithmetic methods -- but! amd64 dun let you do full arithmetic on xmm either
1924517;1563977715;asciilifeform;(i.e. cannot add/sub/mul or even shift entire xmm reg)
1924518;1563977769;asciilifeform;in the beginning, thought i could at least implement the mips instruction operand decode using xmm. but ha! not that either.
1924519;1563977793;asciilifeform;( at least not on my opteron, on 2014+ theoretically could, but i dun buy those )
1924520;1563977851;asciilifeform;[http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/b8ERj/?raw=true][pertinent section] re above .
1924521;1563977897;asciilifeform;best i could think of , was to arrange the mov.../and.../shr... etc so as to occupy the amd64 pipeline properly, in each inst. form.
1924522;1563977925;asciilifeform;seems like there is only so much 'silk purse' that can be made from this particular sow's ear.
1924523;1563978017;asciilifeform;in the actual instrs. per se (see 'mipsinst' dir.) , used conditional mov's wherever could think of how, so as to also keep pipeline full
1924524;1563978079;asciilifeform;( [http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ulHUf/?raw=true][for example, 'branch on equal' executes w/out any x86 conditional jumps ] )
1924525;1563978174;asciilifeform;for thread-completeness, i'ma summarize how bellard et al did it
1924526;1563978226;asciilifeform;they used 'dynamic recompile' method, where the sim simulates a kind of cache. when sim-instruction fetched, it looks whether found in this cache, and if not, emits a chunk of x86olade into said segment of cache, which corresponds to 'compiled' ver. of that instr.
1924527;1563978245;asciilifeform;this then executes.
1924528;1563978269;asciilifeform;and as it goes, tries to keep cache full, does equiv. of 'prefetch' (if this were a normal iron cache), etc
1924529;1563978314;asciilifeform;all of this is 1) exceedingly gnarly , from 'fits in head' pov   2) requires a writable-and-executable memory segment. i.e. massive open wound.
1924530;1563978322;asciilifeform;i.e. self-modifying proggy.
1924531;1563978336;*;asciilifeform brb:teatime.
1924532;1563978798;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-22#1924301 << roger that. I'll aim for this weekend to get it published
1924533;1563978798;a111;Logged on 2019-07-22 20:12 mp_en_viaje: lobbes, you'll live. anyway, get that thing published so others can patch on it and thus lighten your own workload!
1924534;1563978802;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-22#1924303 << I appreciate this offer, ty. I've got my living arrangements and job situation under control for the short term, BUT once this is done I may indeed take you up on your offer re: finding girls. Been poking around the internet and well, it is still a shannonized ocean of wtf in this regard.
1924535;1563978802;a111;Logged on 2019-07-22 22:56 Mocky: lobbes if you want to relocate 3 hours east, 90% chance I can get you a job in Ral, I have a spare room you can stay in while you look for a place, ditch the dysfunction, we'll find new girls
1924536;1563978812;*;lobbes bbl $mines
1924537;1563982850;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: thinking about it moar, i suspect that it is possible to bake a less screamingly retarded version of bellardism , where, e.g., the 'cache' is prefilled with unconditional jumps to the sim-instructions, eliminating the decode hit
1924538;1563982854;asciilifeform;ars longa...
1924539;1563983112;asciilifeform;the published item is imho at the point where ~other~ folx could saw on it, run the dhrystone, etc.
1924540;1563983128;asciilifeform;supposing anyone has time / can be arsed
1924541;1563983149;asciilifeform;thing's 50-60% comment by weight, imho amply documented.
1924542;1563983321;asciilifeform;also imho it is potentially foundation for a http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-05#1892603 , likewise if the hands can be found.
1924543;1563983321;a111;Logged on 2019-02-05 01:10 asciilifeform described, in the past, the general shape of the recipe for this -- you write e.g. small lisp in coupla kb of asm, and large 1 on that, and an adatron on the latter... etc
1924544;1563983332;asciilifeform;( the basic structure -- same )
1924545;1563983397;asciilifeform;this really in re the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-20#1923971 recurrent thrd.
1924546;1563983397;a111;Logged on 2019-07-20 10:03 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-20#1923930 << maybe worth going over "what would this solution look like" one more time.
1924547;1563983420;asciilifeform;aka 'can haz sane bootstrapping / dethompsonization' .
1924548;1563983715;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-24#1924486 << Yet another plague wrought by open access to the internet. Most published sex writing done either by or for bipeds that don't have sex.
1924549;1563983715;a111;Logged on 2019-07-24 08:48 mp_en_viaje: this read mechanically failed ; i have no qualms with whoever managed to jack off to anne rice nevertheless -- but it is NOT good. even if it works for you.
1924550;1563983882;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-24#1924470 << M seems very useful to keep on hand for ice40 or having a base for porting Cuntoo to printed MIPS in 3-7 years
1924551;1563983882;a111;Logged on 2019-07-24 08:32 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-24#1924458 << does not, because "host blogs" includes http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-23#1547594
1924552;1563983934;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it aint as if there were no support for mips in the classic kernel tho. ( i only had to add 100ln or so specifically to bring up the simplified sim-devices )
1924553;1563983973;asciilifeform;relatedly, i can't fathom why bellard et al decided to simulate gnarly existing physical irons , rather than patching kernel
1924554;1563983981;asciilifeform;the latter is easily 100x less work
1924555;1563984032;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Sure, but if we print a MIPS down the line sim-devices may be the way to do it instead of DMA everywhere
1924556;1563984068;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: principal reason why i went awol from ffa to shit out this horror , was the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923477 burning q
1924557;1563984068;a111;Logged on 2019-07-19 03:23 asciilifeform: would like to offer heathens a) fully isolated linuxen b) at competitive cost. so far erryone in meat wot to whom showed piz rate sheet, replied something in vein of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-16#1922858 .
1924558;1563984078;asciilifeform;and atm 'back to chalkboard' re how to answer it
1924559;1563984104;asciilifeform;somehow gotta find method to house coupla 100 heathens in actual isolation from ea. other
1924560;1563984165;asciilifeform;and preferably in such a way that BingoBoingo dun have to dig through rat's nest of wires erry time 1 subscribes or unsubscribes
1924561;1563984225;asciilifeform;and -- ideally that each 1 gets a fresh cuntoo.
1924562;1563986599;asciilifeform;grr i even had 'disk' driver mostly written, was gonna build bootable simdisk w/ cuntoo...
1924563;1563986599;BingoBoingo;In other news, fever gone, gut still a bit tender, brown girl on bleach detail
1924564;1563986611;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: congrats
1924565;1563993653;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-24#1924516 << this is pretty fucking stupid.
1924566;1563993653;a111;Logged on 2019-07-24 14:14 asciilifeform: to add insult to injury, asciilifeform knows how to represent 'x bit lookup from x*k-bit string representing table' via arithmetic methods -- but! amd64 dun let you do full arithmetic on xmm either
1924567;1563993662;asciilifeform;innit?
1924568;1563993670;mp_en_viaje;yes.
1924569;1563993680;mp_en_viaje;wtf did they even save, a pancake ?
1924570;1563993737;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: x86 is a mountain of sad of which most folx (even such as write proggies) see only the very tip. but goes all the way down into magma.
1924571;1563994003;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-24#1924541 << yah not bad.
1924572;1563994003;a111;Logged on 2019-07-24 15:45 asciilifeform: thing's 50-60% comment by weight, imho amply documented.
1924573;1563994082;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-24#1924548 << this is true. and before that, most erotica written by little bois, oh so impressed with selves for having broken an ear or somesuch off inca statue.
1924574;1563994082;a111;Logged on 2019-07-24 15:55 BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-24#1924486 << Yet another plague wrought by open access to the internet. Most published sex writing done either by or for bipeds that don't have sex.
1924575;1563994112;mp_en_viaje;no systematically anti-stupid , ideologically integrated, philosophically superior efforts.
1924576;1563994410;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: how about old man de sade ?
1924577;1563994542;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, http://trilema.com/2012/filosofia-din-budoar-dragi-libertini/ << there's a ro series, directly comparable and imo far superior.
1924578;1563994591;asciilifeform;neato, will have to eat (when... 'after the war')
1924579;1563994703;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, talking of rotaku-ism, ever saw http://trilema.com/2012/iubita-mea-ce-suge-bile-prin-furtun/ ?
1924580;1563994729;asciilifeform;saw ( tho can't recall from what was linked )
1924581;1563994779;mp_en_viaje;aok
1924582;1563996811;BingoBoingo;related to the incels doing erotica discussion: https://archive.is/NXNBC "As part of an ongoing military conflict, an attack against a USN carrier would not necessarily represent a legal challenge; aircraft carriers are weapons of war, after all, and they are just as vulnerable to attack as any other weapon. But as military theorists have pointed out for at least two centuries, states choose their levels of escalation very carefully.
1924583;1563996811;BingoBoingo;Most wars are limited wars, and in limited wars, generals, admirals, and politicians are aware of the political import of the targets they select. Consequently, some targets remain off-limits for states that want to keep a war limited, even if those targets make a material contribution to the conduct of the conflict."
1924584;1563996944;BingoBoingo;And they stooge writes this as though no one learned since 2003 that when the USG comes knocking you can't play into their escalation moderating game or a "Shock And Awe" happens
1924585;1563998239;mp_en_viaje;they gotta hope ; what else is there ?
1924586;1563998261;mp_en_viaje;the ugly fat kid nobody likes similarly goes through school "believing nobody will hit him". what other options does he have ?
1924587;1564002200;BingoBoingo;In related news http://qntra.net/2019/07/obama-worm-from-brazil-eating-its-way-through-spain/
1924588;1564003180;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile in local news, the local central bank intervened... Because the dollar fell too fast https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/el-dolar-bajo-de-34-y-el-bcu-intervino-para-frenar-la-caida-2019724173319
1924589;1564006966;BingoBoingo;And in still other local happenings https://www.montevideo.com.uy/Noticias/MSP-argumento-baja-bateria-en-desfibriladores-usados-para-ayudar-a-un-hombre-que-murio-uc725111
1924590;1564015098;BingoBoingo;!!v 1CBB92DBD5147471E0942F0430C2E58F51433AE5DF3D4BC21E645359B9EC8E26
1924591;1564015102;deedbot;BingoBoingo paid Mocky invoice 2
1924592;1564024679;*;asciilifeform meanwhile found method to speed up 'M' by ~30% (possibly moar), will vpatch.
1924593;1564024884;asciilifeform;( short spoiler : if you ensure that neither tlb nor 'asid' has changed since last tlb lookup, and current vaddr's tag is same as during last lookup, can use same pfn (i.e. tlb lookup result) as then. )
1924594;1564024908;*;asciilifeform recognizes that this won't make a lick of sense to anyone who hasn't read the thing. putting here mainly for log.
1924595;1564024941;*;asciilifeform bbl:meat.
1924596;1564033540;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, you know, i was thinking... since i have all these trilema.org etc not presently used, might as well get a pizarro box set up trilema replication. do you actually have one ?
1924597;1564033625;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, naive q : is there a way to trade footprint for speed, by keeping tlb count of instances, and executing instructions in "paralel" by piping them to each instance according to tlb layout ?
1924598;1564033784;mp_en_viaje;so you'd never run ONE M but (i'm guessing) always 17 at a time
1924599;1564035151;mp_en_viaje;meanwhile in "webforums, by retards, for retards" https://ibb.co/pZmPzqG
1924600;1564038113;diana_coman;BingoBoingo: the mp-wp on younghands.club seems to be still stripping all tags; is it deployed without the patch or what?
1924601;1564038721;diana_coman;myeah, so it was; BingoBoingo update your scripts or something, what's the point in deploying it with a known bug??
1924602;1564038941;mp_en_viaje;weird, feedbot read in #eulora but not here.
1924603;1564038951;mp_en_viaje;o look, it's unvoiced!
1924604;1564039595;spyked;many apologies for the prolonged feedbot downtime yesterday; I had to go offline the whole day on meat business and working through this week's hunchentoot layer-peeling
1924605;1564039645;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, you sound like you're having fun, lol
1924606;1564039647;spyked;the bot will spit all the missing lines as soon as it gets voiced. meanwhile, deedbot seems down?
1924607;1564039662;mp_en_viaje;spyked, we got one helluva tower of chairs going here!
1924608;1564039708;mp_en_viaje;check out the kaibosh on diana_coman : she wrote an article, and published JUST AS feedbot got dropped ; it rejoined, and it'll announce just as... deedbot comes back to voice it.
1924609;1564039728;mp_en_viaje;someone's back there with the voodoo dolls and spikes to the mouth!
1924610;1564039736;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: din categoria daca-i ordin, cu placere, acolo.
1924611;1564039774;diana_coman;ha, the bots don't like euloran graphics!!
1924612;1564039820;spyked;trinque, could you pl0x share the ircbot auto-reconnect code that you're testing? I wanna give it a spin myself and give some time to ironing out whatever problems I might find.
1924613;1564040594;mp_en_viaje;http://ossasepia.com/2019/07/24/naked-models-notes-on-graphics-in-eulora-iv/comment-page-1/#comment-6235 in other meanwhiles.
1924614;1564041740;mp_en_viaje;in other lulzies : /me has taken patreon's db (annoying fucks from the fetlife/linkedin/etc school of "inaccessible data", there's for instance no list of users on their website. because they expect your only knowledge of their thing to come from a user that contacted you [somehow].)
1924615;1564041740;mp_en_viaje;because obviously, [http://trilema.com/2014/ransomware/#footnote_2_55159][webchumpatron] problems, tryna plug [http://ossasepia.com/2019/07/12/my-first-hours-on-devto/comment-page-1/#comment-6142][the value leaks], they figure if they misrepresent wanna-be-platform.com as a sort inca, sitting mysterious and unreachable on the top, and then let the wanna-be-platform.com/random-dorks do the work, then thereby... who kn
1924616;1564041740;mp_en_viaje;ows, maybe this time the value extraction actually works ?!
1924617;1564041742;mp_en_viaje;whether it works or doesn't ima still [http://trilema.com/2016/to-the-dao-and-the-ethereum-community-fuck-you/][take everything they have any time i feel like], as a matter of course. because that's the hierarchy, republic owns empire-anything, no possible question about it.
1924618;1564041748;mp_en_viaje;what there is a question about is whether there's actually any value in there, or am i just taking by republican priviledge a buncha 5yos chests full of rotten chocolate golden coins / self-drawn stock certificates / large sums of monyz written in crayon etc.
1924619;1564041752;mp_en_viaje;so, given that cat patreon.sql | wc -w yields 692469510, anyone wanna register bets as to how many artists are gonna be smarter than an [http://trilema.com/2018/and-in-todays-lulz-the-obnoxious-cocksucker/][obnoxious cocksucker], and actually take the deal [http://btcbase.org/log/2013-12-03#403925][trudy] famously didn't
1924620;1564041752;a111;Logged on 2013-12-03 20:08 mircea_popescu: fucking artists with their complicated shoes. impossible to get a hold of.
1924621;1564041756;mp_en_viaje;(and [http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-30#1876467][midnight_on_mars] ineptly didn't, and so on the list -- as [http://trilema.com/2017/friday-night-or-las-moiras-revisited/][usually] to their detriment, of course, but what fucking detriment can accrue to nobody-on-a-ramen-stick) ?
1924622;1564041756;a111;Logged on 2018-11-30 17:48 mircea_popescu: i kept trying to get a comic going, oglaf chick wouldn't do it, that midnight_on_mars dood with the http://pictures.hentai-foundry.com/m/MidnightonMars/435591/MidnightonMars-435591-Secret_Obsession_-_Overwatch.jpg too fucktarded to communicate...
1924623;1564041784;mp_en_viaje;subsidiarily, i suppose, anyone got some really good idea of art-promoting-the-republic, or whatever.
1924624;1564056471;asciilifeform;meanwhile, next rev.'s [http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/sDrda/?raw=true][dhrystone] ( vs. [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-24#1924495][prev.'s] )
1924625;1564056471;a111;Logged on 2019-07-24 13:27 asciilifeform: meanwhile, [http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/kIPbK/?raw=true][overnight dhrystone] .
1924626;1564056553;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-25#1924597 << closest thing to this would be where you actually emulate the traditional mips pipeline and have a thread per stage (e.g. inst decode, fetch, execute ) but this would be, if you think about it , ~even worse~ than current, tie up 5 cpu cores to emulate 1 little mips...
1924627;1564056553;a111;Logged on 2019-07-25 05:47 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, naive q : is there a way to trade footprint for speed, by keeping tlb count of instances, and executing instructions in "paralel" by piping them to each instance according to tlb layout ?
1924628;1564056589;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, no, i actually mean parallelize execution
1924629;1564056604;mp_en_viaje;i suppose in the end i;m just trying to rebuild the multi-layered cache and prefetch intel pipe in software.
1924630;1564056615;asciilifeform;right, but how wouldja parallelize w/out typing up >1 pc cpu
1924631;1564056637;*;mp_en_viaje abandons this line of inquiry.
1924632;1564056660;asciilifeform;btw thing already sometimes spills into 2 cpu (there are slave threads for uart and clock)
1924633;1564056673;asciilifeform;( typically '101% cpu' when at full throttle )
1924634;1564056721;asciilifeform;( would still run on a 1cpu box, with slight penalty, tho, cuz unix scheduler )
1924635;1564057412;mp_en_viaje;holy shit patreon is fucking stupid.
1924636;1564058645;mp_en_viaje;so out of 22558500 supposed users, about 21.7mn (>96%) are name-only. of the remainder a similar proportion have one or more links to "social media" (mostly, youtube channels) that similarly exist in name only. of the remainder 30k or so, the VAST majority are incredibly gossipy idiots droning on and on about what some other "opposing" faction said on $socialmedia$ and THEREFORE CLEARLY etc. "so and so was suspicious
1924637;1564058645;mp_en_viaje;ly silent on thus and so non-event therefore incomprehensible implication of no consequence".
1924638;1564058693;mp_en_viaje;there's maybe a thousand or two actual whores working it as an escort service, and a few hundred deeply deranged individuals (hey, would yu like to buy a "hypnosis game" that "makes you" transsexual ? works on windows only)
1924639;1564058696;mp_en_viaje;and... that's fuckng it.
1924640;1564058790;asciilifeform;'... "hypnosis game" that "makes you" transsexual ?' << recall the 1990s idjits with 'audio drug' ?
1924641;1564058903;asciilifeform;( was mega-fad in msdos days -- proggy that prompts 'which dope', you select one, and then listen to 'hypnotic' squeals from headphone )
1924642;1564059466;mp_en_viaje;oh, there's actually some pretty lulzy ammo re ye olde drugs discussion : they have here idiots who "audify" "problems" as a... i dunno, means to solve them.
1924643;1564059489;mp_en_viaje;the logic transparently being that if drugs help you solve problems and audio drugs are drugs, therefore "listening" to "audification" of prpoblem...
1924644;1564059499;asciilifeform;does it involve ear-wilting whine in headphone ?
1924645;1564059506;mp_en_viaje;i did not actually play the shit.
1924646;1564059515;mp_en_viaje;can prolly fish it out again if you must.
1924647;1564059544;asciilifeform;at one pt i experimented with, among other lulz, playing suspect-rng via headphone , to find regularities
1924648;1564059550;asciilifeform;but i suspect this aint what these had in mind
1924649;1564059571;mp_en_viaje;worst bandwidth fucking process available ; and most filtered too.
1924650;1564059586;mp_en_viaje;well, technically i suppose a rectothermalizer would be even worse, higher inertia.
1924651;1564059594;asciilifeform;pretty atrocious, yes. ye olde 'ulam's spiral' worx 9000x better -- eyes
1924652;1564059656;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: possibly surprisingly, there ~were~ braille displays which worked via heated pins
1924653;1564059669;asciilifeform;( but i suspect they 'cheated', cuz thermal expansion, can feel as pressure )
1924654;1564059675;mp_en_viaje;many blind people are actually slightly visual in lower range tho
1924655;1564059711;asciilifeform;rright but this was a thing one put finger on, covering the hole
1924656;1564059715;mp_en_viaje;a
1924657;1564059720;asciilifeform;iirc mp_en_viaje actually wrote about this
1924658;1564059734;mp_en_viaje;i did ?
1924659;1564059741;mp_en_viaje;doesn't immediately come to mind
1924660;1564059749;asciilifeform;hm. then nfi where saw.
1924661;1564059811;asciilifeform;re 'patreon', i kept waiting for the mention of the most famous lolcow parked there, but since no one did : esr
1924662;1564059838;asciilifeform;apparently after his 'reverse gear' 'surprised by wealth' he opened acct there. and claims to get thou's in beggolade.
1924663;1564059939;asciilifeform;( whether imaginary; or his handlers pay him this way; or actual chumpers from the wild, pay -- i have nfi )
1924664;1564060024;asciilifeform;[https://www.patreon.com/esr][from horse's mouth]
1924665;1564060059;asciilifeform;claims '226 PATRONS $2,339 PER MONTH'
1924666;1564060213;mp_en_viaje;amusingly, this likely means i have the man's address, bank details, tax form thingee etc.
1924667;1564060233;asciilifeform;not as if these are mega-seekrit even w/out
1924668;1564060281;asciilifeform;why, did patreon's db leak out ?
1924669;1564060363;mp_en_viaje;nfi who'd begruge an old man his [https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20180128200255AAG79GF][28k/year] job
1924670;1564060401;asciilifeform;lol job
1924671;1564060491;mp_en_viaje;this item is mostly makework, you realise that ?
1924672;1564060511;asciilifeform;i thought it were an automated begging thing
1924673;1564060525;asciilifeform;'put money in this here hat plz'
1924674;1564060662;*;asciilifeform not , admittedly, master beggar, perhaps not qual'd to discuss. had even 'paypal' beggatron on www, in '07 or sumsuch, netted not 1 cent. then later replaced with btc addr, and one time someone sent entire coin ! and to this day occasionally nanobtc etc
1924675;1564060784;asciilifeform;effective begging, as i understand, is a whoring/performance art, like street singing, takes dedication an' energy
1924676;1564060924;mp_en_viaje;not really, they mostly exist as an extension of the 2000s "traffic analytics expert" thing
1924677;1564060953;mp_en_viaje;it's a way for the "requirerment satisfiers" to spend a whole day not doing anything but nevertheless seeming like they worked to the "you can't accuse him of not working" standard.
1924678;1564061032;mp_en_viaje;in ro there is this "teoria chibritului" thing, "a match is composed of three parts : the top part of the match, the middle part of the match, and the bottom part of the match. the top part of the match is in turn composed of three parts : the top part of the top part of the match, the middle part of the top part of the match, and the bottom part of the top part of the match. the middle part of the match..."
1924679;1564061046;mp_en_viaje;then someone can spend most of the day checking whether you didn't accidentally a top for a middle somewhere...
1924680;1564061063;asciilifeform;possibly i'm thick, but how does this work ? from surface , loox like thing where e.g. esr puts acct and then gets 'donation button' for his www, and idjits push, etc
1924681;1564061082;mp_en_viaje;when we were kids it was a joke, but now it's pretty much all of legal practice, civil service, academia, homework, etcetera.
1924682;1564061101;asciilifeform;lol zeno's match
1924683;1564061127;mp_en_viaje;"how does it work". how does "traffic analytics" work ? "oh, you gotta DEFINE x y and z, then acquire "data" about them, then COMPARE it".
1924684;1564061134;mp_en_viaje;can spend a whole fucking day match-theorizing.
1924685;1564061154;mp_en_viaje;same principle throughout, "gotta declare goals", whatever
1924686;1564061163;mp_en_viaje;#makework
1924687;1564061180;asciilifeform;i thought the 'goals' crapola was in 'kickstarter' et al
1924688;1564061187;mp_en_viaje;consider how your hosting works : "gotta upgrade".
1924689;1564061195;mp_en_viaje;do you see the similarity ?
1924690;1564061198;asciilifeform;afaik 'patreon' just has a bin where people invited to throw money
1924691;1564061222;mp_en_viaje;afayk, nfs is "just hosts". the problem with your view is that it doesnt exist.
1924692;1564061302;asciilifeform;reminds me, gotta get the replacement swapped in, thing could burn out literally any min.
1924693;1564061424;*;asciilifeform fully backed up
1924694;1564061515;asciilifeform;interestingly, i ran the #s, nfs's thing is no longer so cheap as in olden days, costs asciilifeform almost a thou./yr (us)
1924695;1564061517;mp_en_viaje;Eric Raymond Ausley ?
1924696;1564061585;asciilifeform;dunthinkso, the famous judas is [eric s. raymond][https://www.patreon.com/esr]
1924697;1564061591;mp_en_viaje;o look, they actually [https://trademarks.justia.com/owners/ausley-eric-raymond-2245799/][entirely different dood]
1924698;1564061615;asciilifeform;err [https://www.patreon.com/esr][eric s. raymond]
1924699;1564061737;mp_en_viaje;ie userid 962938, in more practical terms
1924700;1564061889;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/pPkW3/?raw=true
1924701;1564061892;mp_en_viaje;aparently, 2048 rsa
1924702;1564062035;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, HA! check this out : Loadsharers is a social network that has agreed to fund LBIPs through remittance services like Patreon, SubscribeStar, Liberapay, and PayPal. Loadsharers take the following pledge: "While I am gainfully employed, I will remit at least $30 a month to one, two, or three LBIPs, preferably 3."
1924703;1564062061;mp_en_viaje;see ? EXACTLY http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-25#1924685
1924704;1564062061;a111;Logged on 2019-07-25 13:25 mp_en_viaje: same principle throughout, "gotta declare goals", whatever
1924705;1564062111;mp_en_viaje;dude's come up with a half-assed, buggy TMSR implementation out of chewing gum and pocket lint. and that TOOK TIME.
1924706;1564062174;mp_en_viaje;https://esr.gitlab.io/loadsharers/ << straight up shanonization, even.
1924707;1564063680;mp_en_viaje;meanwhile in "things you might've not known about", https://rule34.xxx/index.php
1924708;1564063997;mp_en_viaje;interesting tidbits (from an anthropological perspective what i'd call "super-real", ie, things people actually said that are closer to being the blueprint of the subculture rather than mere phenomena) : "Discord You can find our official discord chat here: Moved away from IRC, it was not used anyway."
1924709;1564064035;mp_en_viaje;why the fuck would anyone prefer audio channel to irc is anyone's guess. here's mine : speaking takes less thought than writing / unit time.
1924710;1564064090;mp_en_viaje;2. "Hiya, just looking for some fun with new faces in the usual sorta way." << if this isn't the whole mating game...
1924711;1564064933;asciilifeform;lol seems like they came up with buggy reimplementation of catholic church's tithe, rather than tmsr
1924712;1564064998;asciilifeform;audio channel << recall we had some d00d who drummed out and then reportedly turned up in some audio-powered snakepit
1924713;1564065005;asciilifeform;( iirc thickasthieves )
1924714;1564065357;mp_en_viaje;vaguely.
1924715;1564071218;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: I'll get to pressing an updated mp-wp
1924716;1564071250;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: We have a vacant Rockchip
1924717;1564071263;mp_en_viaje;nah, i think i need a proper box
1924718;1564071269;mp_en_viaje;i mean, just the images are like 10gb
1924719;1564071290;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: rk is imho a proper box. 128GB storage, GB/s nic
1924720;1564071303;asciilifeform;would be pretty good torture test of it
1924721;1564071315;mp_en_viaje;hm
1924722;1564071331;*;asciilifeform would really like to see how it behaves under troo honest load
1924723;1564071354;mp_en_viaje;i dunno it'd necessarily get loaded as much, i mean who even loads trilema.org atm for instance ?
1924724;1564071370;BingoBoingo;I suspect where replicated trilema would hit its head on Rockchips is the MySQL database
1924725;1564071377;mp_en_viaje;would it ?
1924726;1564071385;asciilifeform;can't picture why
1924727;1564071390;mp_en_viaje;it's not ~that~ large a db, bout 100mb or so
1924728;1564071399;asciilifeform;diana_coman's box so far seems to soldier on w/out issue
1924729;1564071439;mp_en_viaje;anyways, today ima be travelling, but we'll get back to this
1924730;1564071447;asciilifeform;happy travels, mp_en_viaje
1924731;1564071497;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-25#1924636 << Patreon seems to overlap ~93% with the incel crowd
1924732;1564071497;a111;Logged on 2019-07-25 12:44 mp_en_viaje: so out of 22558500 supposed users, about 21.7mn (>96%) are name-only. of the remainder a similar proportion have one or more links to "social media" (mostly, youtube channels) that similarly exist in name only. of the remainder 30k or so, the VAST majority are incredibly gossipy idiots droning on and on about what some other "opposing" faction said on $socialmedia$ and THEREFORE CLEARLY etc. "so and so was suspicious
1924733;1564071563;mp_en_viaje;i think by now the internet does.
1924734;1564071721;BingoBoingo;There's the girls that could be whoring instead selling almost naked pics (because the audience can't handle actually naked). games that aren't games but "visual novels", erotica by and for people who've never had anything erotic in their lives, etc
1924735;1564071741;mp_en_viaje;aha.
1924736;1564071761;BingoBoingo;We're going to need a lot of reddit bags
1924737;1564071765;mp_en_viaje;actually, those girls make ok whore fodder, will fly if you buy their ticket, will swallow it if you feed them etc.
1924738;1564071827;mp_en_viaje;kinda moral duty to pick one or a few up an' warehouse 'em in preference of some [http://trilema.com/2015/very-bad-things/?b=not%20to&e=on#select][insufferable princess].
1924739;1564071831;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: I don't doubt it. Probably have to get past the self defense mechanisms they've developed against their own usual audience
1924740;1564071842;mp_en_viaje;it's why you keep a blog.
1924741;1564071855;BingoBoingo;AHA
1924742;1564071958;mp_en_viaje;"here's a bunch of others just like you" is the #1 sales pitch for females. "how bad could it be, rite"
1924743;1564071979;BingoBoingo;Then the baby turtles and duckling just sweeten the deal
1924744;1564072078;BingoBoingo;As to why "visual novels" over actual games there's something called Renpy that has the code done already so they just need their rendered in a game engine pictures and awful text content https://archive.is/1ryVd
1924745;1564072133;BingoBoingo;We're going to need a lot of reddit bags
1924746;1564072234;mp_en_viaje;heh
1924747;1564072689;BingoBoingo;Still further, the "visual novel" abuse lends itself to they Patreon abuse model as well, because... it incentives making shit episodic while calling the episodes "updates"
1924748;1564072917;BingoBoingo;It
1924749;1564072934;BingoBoingo;'s like tards talk altcoins
1924750;1564073437;asciilifeform;hrm deedbot down ?!
1924751;1564073463;asciilifeform;[http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3433][optimized 'M' posted.]
1924752;1564073554;asciilifeform;( spoiler : read+write tlb caching nao gives 'pentium 166' both in userland and kernel, instead of 'pentium 166' in kernel and '486' in user. but still ugh. )
1924753;1564074324;mp_en_viaje;trinque, ^
1924754;1564074451;asciilifeform;( ^ wrapup of [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-25#1924593][last night's observation] )
1924755;1564074451;a111;Logged on 2019-07-25 03:21 asciilifeform: ( short spoiler : if you ensure that neither tlb nor 'asid' has changed since last tlb lookup, and current vaddr's tag is same as during last lookup, can use same pfn (i.e. tlb lookup result) as then. )
1924756;1564074537;asciilifeform;also includes fastpath exception handlers (i.e. instead of the conditional tree from genesis ver) and a 'cheat' for tlbwr ('tlb write random') instruction so that it puts recently-created tlb entries near the base of the table, where reached faster while searching.
1924757;1564074619;asciilifeform;theoretically possible that a multi-entry tlb cache would speed up. but not knowable apriori, cuz searching multiple entries also costs.
1924758;1564074742;asciilifeform;( cache lives in xmm regs, so as to avoid accessing ram. and they're mostly used up, there's 3 left unused )
1924759;1564074820;asciilifeform;originally i expected a 50+% speedup, but the cache mechanism itself eats cycles.
1924760;1564074886;asciilifeform;executable nao 'bloated' to 14kB...
1924761;1564075157;asciilifeform;unless someone reads the thing and finds some major optimization that i missed, thing is really at the point of severely diminishing returns, plain old 'cycle massage' won't get much.
1924762;1564075396;asciilifeform;anyone who has a spare 5min, invited to post output of 'time dhrystone 10000000' along with on what iron etc.
1924763;1564075427;asciilifeform;( (a) -- in 'M', (b) -- on the host iron )
1924764;1564075760;asciilifeform;( likbez for n00bz : mips 'exception handlers' have 0 to do with what normally goes by this name, it is what the mips standard calls what normal people refer to as interrupts & traps )
1924765;1564075810;asciilifeform;... and yes there is actually a standard. even sold as dead tree b00k, called 'see mips run'
1924766;1564075833;asciilifeform;not as gloriously pedantic as ada's docs, but similar in flavour.
1924767;1564076794;ave1;asciilifeform: I used to own a pentium 90, it ran everything just fine at the time.
1924768;1564076824;asciilifeform;ave1: my 486 also 'ran just fine' lol
1924769;1564076831;asciilifeform;and so did the 386..
1924770;1564076847;mp_en_viaje;i suppose this was pre-mathlulz pentium
1924771;1564076868;asciilifeform;i had the mafflulz pentium, also ran 'just fine' if you didn't use the float stack
1924772;1564076879;mp_en_viaje;true enuff
1924773;1564076919;asciilifeform;'m' btw has -- like most actual mips irons -- no float stack. if you run proggy that demands it, ends up invoking linux's
1924774;1564077217;mp_en_viaje;in other lulz, duck duck go is actually written in... perl
1924775;1564077227;mp_en_viaje;to go with the amusing discovery patreon is mysql with python glue.
1924776;1564077232;ave1;like 387...
1924777;1564077237;mp_en_viaje;the tech stack of the web is ever lulzy.
1924778;1564077286;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i'm almost surprised it wasn't microshit
1924779;1564077396;mp_en_viaje;microshit what, visual basic ?
1924780;1564077406;mp_en_viaje;i half-expect most of this shit is run out of excel
1924781;1564077421;asciilifeform;microshit's www platform, i fughet what it was
1924782;1564077432;mp_en_viaje;.net something ?
1924783;1564077438;mp_en_viaje;i think it died
1924784;1564077448;mp_en_viaje;about the time "compete.com" croaked or thereabouts.
1924785;1564077457;asciilifeform;alive & well, so to speak, in usg sites & similar
1924786;1564077493;ave1;asp, still used
1924787;1564077504;mp_en_viaje;for srs ?!
1924788;1564077621;mp_en_viaje;http://www.preemptive.com/images/documentation/Reverse_Engineering_Risk_Assessment.pdf keks
1924789;1564077704;asciilifeform;lol wtf is that
1924790;1564079133;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in 'software sux', apparently there aint a profiling tool that'll work on linux with proggy written 100% in asm
1924791;1564079141;asciilifeform;i.e. one where there is nowhere to put c-istic hooks
1924792;1564079157;asciilifeform;(e.g. 'gprof' -- useless for subj)
1924793;1564079232;asciilifeform;there's 'callgrind' but seems to produce nonsense..
1924794;1564079390;spyked;asciilifeform, iirc perf has "annotate" tool that works on asm?
1924795;1564079410;asciilifeform;spyked: pointedly a tool that requires modification of the binary, is worthless here
1924796;1564079424;asciilifeform;given as thing is written by hand to max the pipeline , avoid hitting ram, etc
1924797;1564079475;spyked;I dun understand. what modification?
1924798;1564079488;spyked;to be clear, I'm talking about the "perf" tool that comes with linux
1924799;1564079489;asciilifeform;maybe i misread ? what is 'annotation' in this context
1924800;1564079495;spyked;http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man1/perf-annotate.1.html
1924801;1564079504;asciilifeform;spyked: none of my linuxen seem to have 'perf'
1924802;1564079518;asciilifeform;will have to look into where it can be had from
1924803;1564079646;asciilifeform;spyked: do you happen to have a link to src tarball handy ?
1924804;1564079750;spyked;asciilifeform, it's part of the linux kernel tree, can be found in tools/perf. disclaimer: it uses hardware counters to get accurate samples for profiling, so accurate results might be dependent on the cpu you're running on
1924805;1564079795;asciilifeform;strange then that it aint on any of my boxen
1924806;1564079808;asciilifeform;for instance this one here is with kernel 3.8 , and no 'perf'
1924807;1564079861;spyked;hm, it seems to be there: https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/v3.8/source/tools/perf
1924808;1564079907;*;asciilifeform found it in /usr/linux/src/tools , but dunbuild, barfs, 'wrong libc'
1924809;1564079988;asciilifeform;contemptible garbage.
1924810;1564080021;spyked;ugh, dunno why it asks for glibc. the only specific item it might require would be kernel knob for counters or whatever.
1924811;1564080059;asciilifeform;'Makefile:542: *** No gnu/libc-version.h found, please install glibc-dev[el]/glibc-static.  Stop.'
1924812;1564080100;*;spyked used perf with some limited degree of success in the past. could measure cache/tlb/branch predictor misses with it. but admittedly, never tried it on non-glibc systems.
1924813;1564080130;asciilifeform;spyked: this here ~is~ a glibcistic system, frozen in amber circa 2011 or so
1924814;1564080180;asciilifeform;( and aint about to swap libcs, esp. nao that [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-23#1919704][heathen 'portage' is 100% dead] )
1924815;1564080180;a111;Logged on 2019-06-23 21:34 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-23#1919680 << fwiw asciilifeform has not used 'portage' in year+ -- the heathen portage finally 100% broke then. ( 'updated' on the gentooist end, so that no longer agrees to build ~anything~ without 'new profile', and won't install 'new profile' because hard-contravenes asciilifeform's poetteringisms ban list... )
1924816;1564080442;asciilifeform;for thread-completeness : [http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/XOptG/?raw=true][callgrind output.] not 100% useless
1924817;1564080462;asciilifeform;^ corresponds to approx 10min of runtime
1924818;1564080700;asciilifeform;^ seems to correspond to the following cut : ~15% time in type-i instrs.; ~4.35% in r-type; 25.5% in memory read/write (incl. tlbisms) ; but the rest, doesn't say...
1924819;1564080736;asciilifeform;55% unaccounted for.
1924820;1564080753;asciilifeform;wtf sorta rubbish is this...
1924821;1564081269;asciilifeform;doesn't even seem to account for the slave threads (possibly total # of cycles is sum of all? which is idiotic)
1924822;1564081437;BingoBoingo;As feedbot appears to be without voice http://qntra.net/2019/07/west-bank-palestinians-suspend-all-agreements-with-israel-over-demolitions/
1924823;1564083579;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, but i mean, if you can;t have the hooks put in, then how is it supposed to profile ?!
1924824;1564085327;mp_en_viaje;!!up bvt_away
1924825;1564085332;mp_en_viaje;dang
1924826;1564087937;mp_en_viaje;oh this is getting ridoinculous.
1924827;1564087990;mp_en_viaje;trinque, what happened to poor deedbot!11
1924828;1564088406;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-25#1924823 << traditionally, when can't hook, profiler randomly suspends process coupla mil times, and counts where stopped how many #
1924829;1564088406;a111;Logged on 2019-07-25 19:39 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, but i mean, if you can;t have the hooks put in, then how is it supposed to profile ?!
1924830;1564088435;mp_en_viaje;i don't think this can still be done
1924831;1564088448;mp_en_viaje;ianap, but.
1924832;1564088540;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i did it earlier, lol, pasted ('callgrind'). but needs some knob-turnin' so as to focus on just the main thrd
1924833;1564088583;*;mp_en_viaje is duly impressed.
1924834;1564088590;asciilifeform;lol
1924835;1564088604;mp_en_viaje;usure ?
1924836;1564088617;mp_en_viaje;after the sjlj adventure i'm in denial.
1924837;1564088649;asciilifeform;half the pt of the 'm' thing was to be to sew together a comp where can-sure
1924838;1564088660;mp_en_viaje;fair enuff
1924839;1564088720;asciilifeform;( ~that~ turned out to be the easier 90% , lol )
1924840;1564089125;asciilifeform;[http://logs.bvulpes.com/asciilifeform?d=2019-7-25#474518][meanwhile bvt has outputs]
1924841;1564090024;mp_en_viaje;took me a while to understand wtf was happening after clicking that link
1924842;1564090036;mp_en_viaje;maybe we should start with chan-based colorization, everyone pick a background
1924843;1564093239;asciilifeform;lol i thought it was all same b&w on mp_en_viaje's 'lynx'
1924844;1564093736;asciilifeform;holyfuq, ~6~ mp_en_viaje pieces in absence of deedbot..
1924845;1564093752;asciilifeform;trinque: are you having a 'dulap-I'-style problem ??
1924846;1564097502;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile in Barrio Conciliación https://www.montevideo.com.uy/Noticias/Tres-hombres-armados-con-un-fusil-de-guerra-robaron-un-auto-y-lo-chocaron-a-pocas-cuadras-uc725245
1924847;1564097693;BingoBoingo;I am starting to suspect more than 75% of the the "literate" population can't read faster than audio delivers to them.
1924848;1564098755;BingoBoingo;re: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-25#1924709
1924849;1564098755;a111;Logged on 2019-07-25 14:13 mp_en_viaje: why the fuck would anyone prefer audio channel to irc is anyone's guess. here's mine : speaking takes less thought than writing / unit time.
1924850;1564100933;BingoBoingo;!Qlater tell mp_en_viaje Someone wandered into #pizarro from the wilds and expressed an interest in the last RockChip. Let me know how interested you are in setting up a trilema.org box if you get a chance to terminal before hitting the road again
1924851;1564100933;lobbesbot;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
1924852;1564104340;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje et al : lulzily, if there existed a cycle-accurate emulator of ~pc~ , accurate profiling would be trivial -- simply allocate a word for each instr., and increment that word when the instr executes
1924853;1564105885;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje et al : thinking re 'bigpicture' -- i suspect that my approach was ill-conceived from beginning. instead of a mips-iii, if doing such thing -- oughta have implemented a radically simplified item with dozen or so instructions; for which could then bake 'fittable in head' bellardistic dynamic emu. and then retarget gcc to it.
1924854;1564105900;asciilifeform;then would actually add up to something usable.
1924855;1564105993;asciilifeform;prolly would've added up to less sweat, too.
1924856;1564106180;asciilifeform;mips, for all its schoolbook popularity, has whole buncha non-orthogonal instrs (e.g. movz/movn, beq/bne, etc. pairs, where only diff is negation; all the signed/unsigned pairs, wtf, if you want signed arithm, let compiler do the fucking sign extension ; and all the unaligned byte-addressing ops, fuck'em, let'em address on whole words like bolix, and suck it up, and bonus , lose 'endianism')
1924857;1564110640;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile in the dominant local noise of the moment: "Joven de origen judío aparece junto a Guido Manini con una inscripción neonazi" http://archive.is/bUb4V
1924858;1564111028;BingoBoingo;What Google via archive.is returns for the "Nazi" string "HKN KRZ" https://archive.is/Inbd3
1924859;1564116662;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, give it to them, i can wait np
1924860;1564116662;lobbesbot;mp_en_viaje: Sent 4 hours and 22 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> Someone wandered into #pizarro from the wilds and expressed an interest in the last RockChip. Let me know how interested you are in setting up a trilema.org box if you get a chance to terminal before hitting the road again
1924861;1564117693;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-25#1924844 << sorry, this tlp adnotation shit turns out to be quite addictive.
1924862;1564117693;a111;Logged on 2019-07-25 22:28 asciilifeform: holyfuq, ~6~ mp_en_viaje pieces in absence of deedbot..
1924863;1564117758;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-25#1924847 << very fucking likely. everyone in the "business" world such as remains in the us, aka service "industry", wants to "schedule calls". they have special webapps for this and shit.
1924864;1564117758;a111;Logged on 2019-07-25 23:34 BingoBoingo: I am starting to suspect more than 75% of the the "literate" population can't read faster than audio delivers to them.
1924865;1564117808;mp_en_viaje;why the FUCK would anyone bother to ~schedule~ a voice channel for fuck's sake, i take month+ before even bothering to ~consider~ it with dedicated whores about to move in, what the fuck.
1924866;1564117893;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-26#1924853 << i think you're right ; don't feel too bad tho, approach was ~retrospectively~ ill conceived ; prospectively it was necessary. but yes, now we know, and because we know, therefore we hafta fix what dun work
1924867;1564117893;a111;Logged on 2019-07-26 01:51 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje et al : thinking re 'bigpicture' -- i suspect that my approach was ill-conceived from beginning. instead of a mips-iii, if doing such thing -- oughta have implemented a radically simplified item with dozen or so instructions; for which could then bake 'fittable in head' bellardistic dynamic emu. and then retarget gcc to it.
1924868;1564117947;mp_en_viaje;it seems altogether likely bellard / gcc will have to be subverted rather than straight cut off.
1924869;1564119187;BingoBoingo;RE; voice channels, I'm going to have to blog something about the brain damage fucking bus routes inflict in people.
1924870;1564119427;mp_en_viaje;hahaha you think these people are just trying to scam others into chatting with them while they bus ?
1924871;1564119556;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-26#1924863 << asciilifeform often grunts in such torture for hr+, sometimes several, erryday
1924872;1564119556;a111;Logged on 2019-07-26 05:09 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-25#1924847 << very fucking likely. everyone in the "business" world such as remains in the us, aka service "industry", wants to "schedule calls". they have special webapps for this and shit.
1924873;1564119573;mp_en_viaje;insanity.
1924874;1564119625;asciilifeform;it's 2-3 notches of circle of hell farther from ~physically going~ to salt mines, but still ugh
1924875;1564119634;mp_en_viaje;imo this can stand by itself as death certificate for the pantsuit fantasy. IF any kind of work efficiency were contemplated, this'dbe ablated. but it stays, because the question's not productivity, the question's maintaining the fantasy, whereby both workers and China believe the ongoing shenanigans in the "work place" are "work", ie, activity towards some productive end
1924876;1564119654;mp_en_viaje;rather than acting, ie, activity towards some representative end. like on daytime tv.
1924877;1564119663;asciilifeform;religious ritual.
1924878;1564119692;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, you and all the girlies i rescued from a "career" in the shiothole. but at least THEY ARE WOMENZ!!! they're supposed to yak at each other all day long.
1924879;1564119757;asciilifeform;most of the 2h is 'wait 2h to speak 5 words'. not even 'yak all day'
1924880;1564119777;asciilifeform;moar idiotic than mp_en_viaje could picture in bad dream.
1924881;1564119850;mp_en_viaje;so if we did an hour of logs in "prevailing business practices" "workplace standard", it'd be what, three weeks ?
1924882;1564119906;asciilifeform;i'd even say that mp_en_viaje has ~optimistic~ 'upbeat' pov re ameri-korp 'culture'. reality even darker hole.
1924883;1564119915;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: year.
1924884;1564119916;mp_en_viaje;then people wonder how come republic has comparable gdp to fiat "nation".
1924885;1564119937;mp_en_viaje;it's easy when every person lives a whole man-year each day.
1924886;1564120231;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-26#1924868 << i dun expect to make any serious use of the multi-MB crud actually shat by bellard, ftr
1924887;1564120231;a111;Logged on 2019-07-26 05:12 mp_en_viaje: it seems altogether likely bellard / gcc will have to be subverted rather than straight cut off.
1924888;1564120254;mp_en_viaje;right.
1924889;1564120260;asciilifeform;but the algo per se may be necessary, i.e. gluing of coad in realtime
1924890;1564120286;asciilifeform;fwiw i suspect could be fit in item of roughly similar mass to 'm'
1924891;1564120346;mp_en_viaje;meanwhile in "remember five years ago", http://trilema.com/2014/people-have-made-blogs/
1924892;1564120523;asciilifeform;depressing, 4 of 8 dead, 5th in bear trap...
1924893;1564120848;mp_en_viaje;rather : prognosis for new much MUCH worse than prognosis for old.
1924894;1564120851;asciilifeform;re 'career' << i have yet to meet, in usaschwitz, anyone in own gener. with 'career'(tm). unless slow path into bottle and to the bottom can also be called 'career'
1924895;1564120911;mp_en_viaje;well, kinda what they did, you know ? "get a degree on the basis of your pre-existing knowledge/'''life experience'''" slightly pivoted on "and then call a career your pre-existing life path".
1924896;1564120949;mp_en_viaje;technically speaking, all rocks have trajectories. they just don't move on them.
1924897;1564120984;asciilifeform;actual degree / coupla added 0s on pay -- also dun change anyffin. in practice.
1924898;1564121007;asciilifeform;the mechanics , imho, well-documented.
1924899;1564121112;BingoBoingo;<mp_en_viaje> hahaha you think these people are just trying to scam others into chatting with them while they bus ? << No, buses kill spatial reasoning and navigation ability
1924900;1564121156;mp_en_viaje;the girls chuckle remembering all my rants about busses throughout latam. "fucking plebs SHOULD BE WALKING" etc.
1924901;1564121159;BingoBoingo;25 minutes on foot, versus 45+ on "omní"
1924902;1564121170;mp_en_viaje;i'd seriously have mandatory 4 hours of walking each day for orcs. 6 if female.
1924903;1564121181;mp_en_viaje;and 2/3 of it uphill.
1924904;1564121207;BingoBoingo;Girl's looking at a laser clinc. Clear, on laser day is a walk ther taxi back occasion.
1924905;1564121208;mp_en_viaje;amusingly, this is EXACTLY how it worked, back when the spanish first came. then the ustards had to fuck everything up, with "progress"
1924906;1564121237;BingoBoingo;But no... "omníbus"
1924907;1564121249;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, wait, shouldn't look at lasers! CAN BLIND
1924908;1564121277;*;asciilifeform feels in too shape when gets to walk 4+h. but only on sunday, can..
1924909;1564121285;asciilifeform;*top
1924910;1564121333;mp_en_viaje;aha.
1924911;1564121348;mp_en_viaje;but what distinguishes orc from man is that orc needs ruleset to tell him to do what should be fucking doing in first place.
1924912;1564121363;mp_en_viaje;almost exactly the textbook definition of moron.
1924913;1564121401;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: Lasers para peal el piel
1924914;1564121413;mp_en_viaje;why, are you making her a redhead ?
1924915;1564121450;BingoBoingo;Nah, out of her own pocket she thinks her brown cheeks tiene manchas
1924916;1564121455;mp_en_viaje;i grant, para pear la piel not same ring to it.
1924917;1564121491;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, i hear semen cures it, just gotta put it on in the morning and  wash it off in the evening.
1924918;1564121506;*;asciilifeform bbl, sleep then moar sisyphing 
1924919;1564121511;BingoBoingo;Which means she's going to ask la cuesta and decide no. Then I'm going to ask la cuesta por kilo por tata.
1924920;1564121543;mp_en_viaje;wait, boobs also have manchas ?
1924921;1564121546;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: Mine seems to bring hers out
1924922;1564121576;BingoBoingo;Nah, but medicina aethetica does or refers to those who do
1924923;1564121579;mp_en_viaje;well in that case... i guess you're not semenright for each other...
1924924;1564121590;BingoBoingo;Quiza
1924925;1564121594;BingoBoingo;But the soup
1924926;1564121621;mp_en_viaje;so you're soupright but not facialright ? this sounds like an alt-right type of problem!
1924927;1564121688;mp_en_viaje;anyways, latino breast implanting inexpensive, because insanely popular.
1924928;1564121709;mp_en_viaje;in columbia, little girls get it as quincenera present ; and it's typically cheaper than the sorta car they'd want, 3-4k or so.
1924929;1564121714;BingoBoingo;which is why I gotta ask what they charge
1924930;1564121737;BingoBoingo;VW fusca is 2k-3k here
1924931;1564121961;BingoBoingo;But yes, alt-right problems
1924932;1564121971;BingoBoingo;or alt-alt
1924933;1564122023;BingoBoingo;Ass implant also popular, but apparently gotta vet the doctors more for that because too many of them done on Python and Java
1924934;1564122189;BingoBoingo;Anyways, unit to bill new tits has to be per kilogram
1924935;1564122291;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, yeah, but the sorta girly who gets a quincenera with gifts and all that ain't taking a shitty vw fusca
1924936;1564122319;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, ass implant terrible fucking idea. let her stairmaster until dead.
1924937;1564122442;mp_en_viaje;you can't grow titmuscles ; but ass is all muscle, and implants fuck up the mechanics thereof. i'd rather get a "brain implant" to have my head appear bigger and therefore impress you all than permit ass implanting in the harem.
1924938;1564122578;BingoBoingo;This is a point I'm fighting along with bus routing
1924939;1564122595;diana_coman;onth lactation *does* make breasts larger so there's a way to grow them too!
1924940;1564122743;BingoBoingo;Well, she complaints about her knees because short nurse. "Work your asschain" Does 20 squats, I do 50... Mis rodillas...
1924941;1564122761;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, lactation makes breasts swell up 10-15% while ongoing, and then shrivel by as much as half once done.
1924942;1564122782;diana_coman;sure, never done, obv; but no, I haven't seen the shrivel really
1924943;1564122795;mp_en_viaje;perma-lactating female is a great way to have to put her down by the time she's 50. like in cows.
1924944;1564122808;diana_coman;well, big tits ~= "like in cows" what
1924945;1564122826;mp_en_viaje;ah, the eternal problem of engineering, "like X in X.a but not X.b please"
1924946;1564122837;mp_en_viaje;how did alf put it, "splitting".
1924947;1564122838;diana_coman;exactly
1924948;1564122874;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, there's machines to work ass without knee!
1924949;1564122909;BingoBoingo;<mp_en_viaje> perma-lactating female is a great way to have to put her down by the time she's 50. like in cows. << Risperidone!
1924950;1564122933;mp_en_viaje;where's that joke btw, about how in soviet union 90yos get together to remove 70 yos for being too old
1924951;1564122972;BingoBoingo;Anyways, gotta convince her that animals are best food
1924952;1564123273;BingoBoingo;But yes, when she asked "donde está esta clinica de lasers" and proceeded to favor hour plus bidirectional bus routes, the box was opened.
1924953;1564123352;BingoBoingo;"Oh you care more about losing your ass than your natural face accents" /me buscas ellipticales
1924954;1564127832;spyked;I see deedbot is back online, so I'm going to voice feedbot in the next hour so and have it spit all the missing articles since yesterday or so in-chan. this'll be quite spammy, so if anyone thinks this is a bad idea (I'm not sure myself), pl0x shout at me!
1924955;1564127953;spyked;ftr, feedbot has failed to deliver 14 lines to #t in this downtime period.
1924956;1564134718;spyked;ok, here goes
1924957;1564134724;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/07/obama-worm-from-brazil-eating-its-way-through-spain/ << Qntra -- Obama Worm From Brazil Eating Its Way Through Spain
1924958;1564134725;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/i-own-erotica-like-zeus-owns-olympus/ << Trilema -- I own erotica like Zeus owns Olympus
1924959;1564134726;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-a-primer-on-pedophilia-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - A Primer on Pedophilia. Adnotated.
1924960;1564134727;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-a-quick-word-on-google-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - A Quick Word On Google. Adnotated.
1924961;1564134728;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-a-quick-word-on-porns-effect-on-your-penis-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - A Quick Word on Porn's Effect On Your Penis. Adnotated.
1924962;1564134729;feedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2019/07/24/naked-models-notes-on-graphics-in-eulora-iv/ << Ossa Sepia -- Naked Models (Notes on Graphics in Eulora, IV)
1924963;1564134730;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/how-to-restructure-the-categories-of-articles-on-mp-wp/ << Trilema -- How to restructure the categories of articles on MP-WP
1924964;1564134731;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-ara-abrahamian-wins-award-for-medal-toss-saved-by-passport-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Ara Abrahamian Wins Award For Medal Toss, Saved By Passport. Adnotated.
1924965;1564134731;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-are-all-drug-reps-hot-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Are All Drug Reps Hot? Adnotated.
1924966;1564134732;feedbot;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3433 << Loper OS -- M Performance Optimizations.
1924967;1564134733;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-are-antipsychotics-overprescribed-in-kids-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Are Antipsychotics Overprescribed In Kids? Adnotated.
1924968;1564134734;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/07/west-bank-palestinians-suspend-all-agreements-with-israel-over-demolitions/ << Qntra -- West Bank Palestinians Suspend All Agreements With Israel Over Demolitions
1924969;1564134735;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/suburbia/ << Trilema -- Suburbia
1924970;1564134736;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-are-antipsychotics-overprescribed-to-kids-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Are Antipsychotics Overprescribed To Kids? Adnotated.
1924971;1564145218;PeterL;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-26#1924863 << scheduling a voice call is sometimes more efficient than trying to string out a long conversation over a series of emails (perhaps IRC would be better, but for some reason that is not an option)
1924972;1564145218;a111;Logged on 2019-07-26 05:09 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-25#1924847 << very fucking likely. everyone in the "business" world such as remains in the us, aka service "industry", wants to "schedule calls". they have special webapps for this and shit.
1924973;1564145315;PeterL;I have seen some places (like the credit union I use) that have added a "webchat" feature to their websites, I much prefer using this over calling to talk to somebody
1924974;1564145662;PeterL;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-26#1924894 << This seems a bit far-fetched, what is your requirement to qualify as "career"?
1924975;1564145662;a111;Logged on 2019-07-26 06:00 asciilifeform: re 'career' << i have yet to meet, in usaschwitz, anyone in own gener. with 'career'(tm). unless slow path into bottle and to the bottom can also be called 'career'
1924976;1564146418;PeterL;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-09#1922173 << I am still wondering where to find these mystical exchange house only open to non-US passports, but I will admit my standards must be different that yours since I can currently exchange coins and it appears you can't
1924977;1564146418;a111;Logged on 2019-07-09 15:41 asciilifeform: PeterL: inside reich, heathen exch houses such that you'd actually want to deal with, are extinct. whereas ones outside generally won't deal with zeks from inside.
1924978;1564149057;mp_en_viaje;aand hello from derpy ukraine.
1924979;1564149128;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-26#1924971 << irc works way the fuck better. point in case.
1924980;1564149128;a111;Logged on 2019-07-26 12:46 PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-26#1924863 << scheduling a voice call is sometimes more efficient than trying to string out a long conversation over a series of emails (perhaps IRC would be better, but for some reason that is not an option)
1924981;1564149539;diana_coman;lolz, what did the ukr do?
1924982;1564149557;diana_coman;or, most likely, not do
1924983;1564149684;mp_en_viaje;it's basically greater timisoara, somewhat larger, somewhat more decrepit, ~same really.
1924984;1564149713;mp_en_viaje;basically, the belarussians are derpy like they're russian periphery, and the ukrs are derpy like they're romanian periphery.
1924985;1564149729;diana_coman;seeing how they are to the east, it's almost an achievement if they end up west-like though
1924986;1564149735;mp_en_viaje;sure.
1924987;1564149756;mp_en_viaje;they're all ra ra over hato & europenski sayuz, as fucking if.
1924988;1564149778;mp_en_viaje;though i must admit HATO is almost as good as OMOH
1924989;1564149797;diana_coman;lol! yes, HATO has a certain sound to it
1924990;1564149815;mp_en_viaje;haet'o in cursive, no doubt.
1924991;1564149841;mp_en_viaje;anyway, my place is nice, but ~everyting around it is ~bucur obor.
1924992;1564149880;diana_coman;lol
1924993;1564149914;asciilifeform;o hey mp_en_viaje in ukristan
1924994;1564149954;mp_en_viaje;beat you to it huh
1924995;1564149974;*;asciilifeform has no particular desire to go to ukristan lol
1924996;1564149989;mp_en_viaje;lol
1924997;1564149991;asciilifeform;9000 moar interesting places...
1924998;1564149996;mp_en_viaje;it's tjhere!
1924999;1564150012;asciilifeform;well yea mp_en_viaje already went errywhere short of antarctica
1925000;1564150013;mp_en_viaje;!!up dorion
1925001;1564150014;deedbot;dorion voiced for 30 minutes.
1925002;1564150016;mp_en_viaje;who might you be anyways ?
1925003;1564150021;asciilifeform;(iirc even tip of antarctica..)
1925004;1564150028;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, short of panface girl lands, tbh
1925005;1564150043;asciilifeform;africa?
1925006;1564150054;mp_en_viaje;well, karnak temple...
1925007;1564150065;mp_en_viaje;though i must confess in my old age i like the rus' hounds a lot less than i did in muh youths.
1925008;1564150102;mp_en_viaje;25°43′7″N 32°39′31″E, should count as africa!
1925009;1564150116;asciilifeform;lol
1925010;1564150144;asciilifeform;meanwhile [http://logs.bvulpes.com/asciilifeform?d=2019-7-26#474672][moar profiling from bvt].
1925011;1564150214;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-26#1924974 << ever play 'f19' for msdos ? is what i associate with 'career'. y'know, promotion through the ranks, rackin' up kills, then pension, etc
1925012;1564150214;a111;Logged on 2019-07-26 12:54 PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-26#1924894 << This seems a bit far-fetched, what is your requirement to qualify as "career"?
1925013;1564150319;mp_en_viaje;o yeah!
1925014;1564150336;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-26#1924976 << [http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-04#1262496][see also]
1925015;1564150336;a111;Logged on 2019-07-26 13:06 PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-09#1922173 << I am still wondering where to find these mystical exchange house only open to non-US passports, but I will admit my standards must be different that yours since I can currently exchange coins and it appears you can't
1925016;1564150336;a111;Logged on 2015-09-04 09:58 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-09-2015#1262399 << "passing aml/kyc" for dealing with money is like passing the astrology test to go to the hospital. yes some unfortunate souls stuck in retarded, abusive communities do that.
1925017;1564150343;mp_en_viaje;there was some turbulence in flight, right ? and i explained to the gals all about the "sukhoi locked youi" wooop wooop alarm
1925018;1564150361;mp_en_viaje;and how the flares went, and whet the ywere, "remembver in that minsk day post, the plane fireworks ?"
1925019;1564150367;mp_en_viaje;got them nice & pale.
1925020;1564150379;mp_en_viaje;remember that ?
1925021;1564150447;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: iirc there is to this day an interesting diff : in nato jets, the 'you will soon [fly into ground/eat rocket/flame out engine] !' taped voice in cockpit, is of whiny chix; but in ru jets, man's voice
1925022;1564150462;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, if you care, nobody gives a shit, not here, not in belarus, not in warsaw, can change all the money you want, whatevs.
1925023;1564150472;asciilifeform;neato
1925024;1564150487;asciilifeform;you gotta physically bring a sack of actual physical money tho, i expect
1925025;1564150505;mp_en_viaje;executing http://trilema.com/2013/time-for-europe-to-repeal-the-us-backed-aml-crap/  bit by bit.
1925026;1564150515;asciilifeform;was looking for that link! ty
1925027;1564150520;asciilifeform;PeterL ^
1925028;1564150523;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, i dunno, haven't tried anything else.
1925029;1564150569;asciilifeform;converting zek zone electro-scrip to physical money remains tricky
1925030;1564150624;dorion;ty mp_en_viaje I am Robinson Dorion, the someone BingoBoingo mentioned had inquired about the rk. Plan is to sync a trb node there.
1925031;1564150629;diana_coman;asciilifeform: do they literally stop you/block your account from taking money out daily or something?
1925032;1564150708;asciilifeform;diana_coman: reportedly, if you do it in mp_en_viaje-grade qtys , will find that acct locked. but i have not personally stepped, of yet, on this mine
1925033;1564150814;asciilifeform;( what ~did~ at one pt step on, was, worked in a thing that paid -- by paper cheque -- quarterly, and depositing these took ~month, as the bank monkeys 'scheduled calls' with gestapo to Properly Register the 'suspicious' )
1925034;1564150834;mp_en_viaje;dorion, cool deal.
1925035;1564150846;diana_coman;what are mp_en_viaje-grade qtys?
1925036;1564150870;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i.e. figures of 5+ zeroes
1925037;1564150895;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, you can prolly cash traveller cheques in amts of yoru choice locally, if nothing else.
1925038;1564150926;diana_coman;hm, you mean even over time i.e. simply total? ( /me has no idea re USA banks, for sure)
1925039;1564150928;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i'd expect. but process for baking these in usa is ~same as to get benjies
1925040;1564150944;mp_en_viaje;aaanyways, ima go dip my cock in local, bbl.
1925041;1564150971;asciilifeform;diana_coman: when loading up for last coupla trips to outside of gulag, found that can withdraw nomoar than 600 (us) iirc per diem
1925042;1564150986;dorion;asciilifeform my understanding is since bank secrecy act (1970), transactions over $10k result in suspicious activity report filing.
1925043;1564151036;asciilifeform;dorion: bush-II amended. exact magic # was made seekrit, and changes periodically, and to attempt to determine it is itself considered criminal
1925044;1564151107;dorion;yeah, e.g. if you do several sequential 9k, they're going to at least ask.
1925045;1564151190;asciilifeform;[http://trilema.com/2014/the-bezzle-usd-and-the-tide-usd/]['for what do you need sack of benjies, terrorist, honest folk are happy to use electro-scrip' !]
1925046;1564151267;dorion;when bsa went before supreme court, part of ruling was since so few transactions over $10k, not a burden to banks. nixon closed gold window ~10 months after bill was passed.
1925047;1564151300;asciilifeform;dorion: most usaschwitz inmates never come close to rubbing against this fence, cuz elementarily 0 money
1925048;1564151424;asciilifeform;dorion: it's not there against mp_en_viaje & co., either, folx with serious money have ~0 problem moving it. it's there against 'engineer saves 100k and escapes from gulag to live rest of his days without working for reich' etc.
1925049;1564151487;*;asciilifeform brb:teatime.
1925050;1564151654;dorion;yeah well, through fed linked correspondent banks pressure is applied abroad. I worked for "offshore" bank (europacbank.com), quickly learned money isn't offshore. in reality bank has omnibus type account on correspondent's servers.
1925051;1564151684;PeterL;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-26#1925029 << you can withdraw > 5+ zeros of cash, you just have to fill out a form to do so. You only get in trouble if you withdraw just below the limit and it looks like you are trying to avoid filling out the form.
1925052;1564151684;a111;Logged on 2019-07-26 14:16 asciilifeform: converting zek zone electro-scrip to physical money remains tricky
1925053;1564153732;asciilifeform;PeterL: tricky bit is, you have nfi what is the constant until the van shows up.
1925054;1564153783;asciilifeform;not to mention, the 'excel spreadshit' people are dumb, but not so dumb that can't do addition.
1925055;1564154148;PeterL;Would they let you voluntarily fill out the form for amounts under the official limit?
1925056;1564154550;feedbot;http://thetarpit.org/posts/y06/097-hunchentoot-iii.html << The Tar Pit -- Hunchentoot: further architectural notes; and usage examples
1925057;1564156055;asciilifeform;PeterL: why not, try it, next time you're there. drown'em in paper..
1925058;1564156105;asciilifeform;iirc in erry city police station in usa, erry yr they get 1 or 2 folx walking in and insisting they killed kennedy / 'did 9/11' / etc.
1925059;1564156125;asciilifeform;there's even a code for it in the shrink standard docs iirc.
1925060;1564157160;asciilifeform;spyked: that thing is srsly neato, and i want one
1925061;1564159544;diana_coman;spyked: is that generated manually with graphviz?
1925062;1564163674;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/07/750-kilograms-of-gold-stolen-at-sao-paulo-airport-by-men-in-uniform/ << Qntra -- 750 Kilograms Of Gold Stolen At Sao Paulo Airport By Men In Uniform
1925063;1564165801;mp_en_viaje;spyked's schema is pretty cool!
1925064;1564166043;mp_en_viaje;evidentklu, gold safer than bitcoin.
1925065;1564167129;mp_en_viaje;spyked, how do i leave comments for you ?
1925066;1564167238;mp_en_viaje;im guessing for this one time http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/fn1VH/?raw=true will have to be it ; but for the love of christ, what are you doing to me here ? am i going to simply ignore your articles because i know for a fact i'm not interestreded in reading something i can't comment on and you're forcing on me the dilemma of either not commenting at all or else losing it in pastes ? this won't do, if i use an hour to read a post i
1925067;1564167238;mp_en_viaje;want to get the benefit of the comment in produces, not just waste it.
1925068;1564168762;asciilifeform;in other interestings, [http://logs.bvulpes.com/asciilifeform?d=2019-7-26#474796][apparently there ain't a detectable bottleneck in 'm', other than tlbism]
1925069;1564177260;BingoBoingo;!!rate dorion 1 New blood 7-2019
1925070;1564177263;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/fvLsX/?raw=true
1925071;1564177293;BingoBoingo;!!v 63E6ADFE28E0240E90AEA041E99FC3B482775CDEF213F6D564B0523C2F25DEF1
1925072;1564177293;deedbot;BingoBoingo rated dorion 1 << New blood 7-2019
1925073;1564179914;dorion;Prior to receiving a rating, I pm'd deedbot !!deposit 0.05, never received a response. After receiving BingoBoingo's rating, I sent same pm, never received a response. Is this the expected behavior? Were previous requests dropped on floor? I'd prefer to clarify prior to sending another request in case the prior are in a queue and the documentation is a bit terse.
1925074;1564179931;BingoBoingo;^ trinque
1925075;1564201152;trinque;dorion: the bot is as far as I can tell accessible.
1925076;1564207964;feedbot;http://ave1.org/2019/lisp-documenting-my-encounter-with-step-1/ << ave1 -- Lisp, documenting my encounter with, step #1
1925077;1564211227;mp_en_viaje;!!deposit 0.05
1925078;1564211236;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/gHK5w/?raw=true
1925079;1564211243;mp_en_viaje;dorion, ^ expected behaviour.
1925080;1564211275;mp_en_viaje;the likely reason you got no answer is that indeed you need a rating, and that it takes up to 1 day for ratings to propagate
1925081;1564211311;mp_en_viaje;in other "so fucking cute omg", > Dear blog, Yesterday I started to learn the LISP language.
1925082;1564212187;*;mp_en_viaje proposes ~the absence~ of ave1 's last post (as a class of item) as the principal failing of non-critical cultures. it's true that the fat old women participating don't have to deal with the "emotional pain" of fatness or oldness being discussion. in exchange however, the price one pays is that aves can't learn lisp. because if you don't have a space where to explain why you think it's stupid, nor an infrastructure of ready
1925083;1564212224;mp_en_viaje;symbols and tools to satisfactorily (nevermind correctly, that's not a subjective step) state the private symbols in one's head, learning is simply off the table.
1925084;1564212281;*;mp_en_viaje very much prefers being "that idiot who can't even" to anything else, if in exchange the typical esr-tardisms as per above don't get a foothold.
1925085;1564212374;mp_en_viaje;meanwhile, light fucking hurts, thanks god for blockout curtains.
1925086;1564212405;mp_en_viaje;hanbot : ru snippet just says "ty for your letter we will answer asap" sorta boilerplate.
1925087;1564214933;ave1;mp_en_viaje: yes, that is the intended purpose, I hope I'll get some reactions if not at least it could work as a reference to my future self (how could I be so fucking stupid as to not see...)
1925088;1564214957;mp_en_viaje;very much win.
1925089;1564215031;mp_en_viaje;i suppose the slogan for this'd be "agreement isn't learning like ritalin isn't medicine and global warming isn't science"
1925090;1564215054;ave1;My first fault was to not directly write these thoughts down. Now I have (1) a backlog of items already taken in (2) had to spent an hour making the post.
1925091;1564215068;ave1;*extra* hour
1925092;1564215083;mp_en_viaje;yeah. this is a lifelong thing, getting ironed out just about permanently.
1925093;1564215108;mp_en_viaje;considering my own case, here i sit behind curtains, surrounded by empty bottles of water, writing down whatever snippets i can remember of yesterday.
1925094;1564215158;mp_en_viaje;everyone else'd just sleep, because sure as fuck catering to one's intellectual life is way the fuck inconvenient, who the fuck even heard of inane shit like "interrupt partying to note"
1925095;1564215190;mp_en_viaje;then on the other hand, waiting until $whatever is ALSO inconvenient.
1925096;1564215240;mp_en_viaje;chiefly because, soon enough it manages to ratchet itself into being strictly impossible.
1925097;1564215457;ave1;yes, the "I'll write it down later". And then later, no way you get it to come out as intended. Although the idea is still in my head.
1925098;1564215485;mp_en_viaje;quite. and then memory fades, and reinterprets, and soon enough all that;s left in the head is a list of proofs that each possible approach is actually unauthentic.
1925099;1564215490;mp_en_viaje;which is FUCKING INFURIATING
1925100;1564215558;ave1;As my job is now mostly communicating, I see the same thing with *meetings*. I explained the idea just fine and now the writing down becomes impossible, *because of that meeting*.
1925101;1564215615;mp_en_viaje;quite. every possible event, even "unrelated" events is a rock thrown in the pond. now get it to reflect again, why not, what, you can't recompute wavefunctions for 10e30 particles in your head on the fly ?
1925102;1564215758;mp_en_viaje;large portion of why i don't even do non-irc, wtf "voicecall" bs. if i explain it here, i know i have ~at least enough~ to reconstruct later ; and that is good enough.
1925103;1564215776;mp_en_viaje;and when it isn't, can't find shit, get pissed off, throw things around, think about how to fix the structure so doesn't recurr...
1925104;1564215788;mp_en_viaje;i know of no other definition for "life of the mind" besides this. this is what that is.
1925105;1564216466;ave1;yes, *fuck* I just got interrupted and now the whole idea about reading the log and *not* directly writing down reactions (if any ofcourse), gone..
1925106;1564216957;mp_en_viaje;yw
1925107;1564216960;mp_en_viaje;:D
1925108;1564216997;mp_en_viaje;in other supporting news, the punishment for interrupting me in the harem is often a fate worse than lashing.
1925109;1564217597;ave1;I was expecting that (and thinking about it in fact).
1925110;1564217697;ave1;and in number of functions described in common lisp spec: 438 (see http://ave1.org/2019/lisp-documenting-my-encounter-with-step-1/#comment-233)
1925111;1564224710;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/the-tale-of-three-soups-or-goodbye-minsk/ << Trilema -- The Tale of Three Soups, or Goodbye Minsk!
1925112;1564227911;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-26#1925061 <-- yes indeed! the graphviz src file is at http://thetarpit.org/uploads/2019/07/hunchentootarch.dot , as linked from http://thetarpit.org/posts/y06/097-hunchentoot-iii.html#fn2
1925113;1564227911;a111;Logged on 2019-07-26 16:45 diana_coman: spyked: is that generated manually with graphviz?
1925114;1564228152;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-26#1925066 <-- the irony being that thetarpit comments implementation is dependent on the www server discussed in the post. the good part about this is that I should be able to do something about this soon; prolly not in the next 2-3 posts, but much sooner than I was before starting work on this.
1925115;1564228152;a111;Logged on 2019-07-26 18:53 mp_en_viaje: im guessing for this one time http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/fn1VH/?raw=true will have to be it ; but for the love of christ, what are you doing to me here ? am i going to simply ignore your articles because i know for a fact i'm not interestreded in reading something i can't comment on and you're forcing on me the dilemma of either not commenting at all or else losing it in pastes ? this won't do, if i use an hour to read a post i
1925116;1564228284;spyked;meanwhile, I'll do something similar to last time: I'll reproduce the comment ad literam at the end of the post and answer below it. and until this is solved, I personally don't mind taking comments here or in any other channel that I reside in (e.g. #spyked)
1925117;1564228521;mp_en_viaje;that's mighty kind of ye.
1925118;1564229020;spyked;it's entirely my fault for posting on half-a-blog (without comments and trackbacks) for all this time
1925119;1564233024;spyked;mp_en_viaje, answer'd: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y06/097-hunchentoot-iii.html#comment1
1925120;1564236179;lobbes;Gooood morning #trilema. Coming live from the new fortress de lobbes. So peaceful I can hear myself think again
1925121;1564236188;lobbes;in other news, I spent a good 4 hours last night chatting with this new girly whose arms actually "grow from the right organ", as alf is fond of saying. It was a fucking pleasure for a change. Gonna try to introduce her to the logs and see if it takes.
1925122;1564236195;*;lobbes off to buy a desk and a chair so as to get that #eulora logotron coad published. bbl
1925123;1564242688;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in rare finds : [https://godbolt.org/z/3qZt7w][useful www-operated compiler/disasmer w/ selectable gcc]
1925124;1564243255;BingoBoingo;In local news, leaks on how the leftist sausage is made http://archive.is/vepPr
1925125;1564245605;mp_en_viaje;wb lobbes lol!
1925126;1564245631;mp_en_viaje;slow and steady does it, btw. new beginnings are exciting, but new girls require patience.
1925127;1564245655;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, interesting, dun think i ever saw that before.
1925128;1564245688;asciilifeform;me neither. and pretty handy. ( if it knew how to eat gnat, would be even handier )
1925129;1564246209;mp_en_viaje;spyked, my two "objections", as i'm sure you noticed, tend towards a broad "omfg, bad habits" sorta something.
1925130;1564246256;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/07/ransomware-state-of-emergency-in-louisiana/ << Qntra -- Ransomware State Of Emergency In Louisiana
1925131;1564246262;mp_en_viaje;as far as your practical example : do not genesis parts ; include the 12 things in yoru genersis if they are needed.
1925132;1564246441;mp_en_viaje;and yes we should be doing this like yesterday or so. we should have been doing it ike yesterday or so, hence eg http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-01#1868413 or http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-29#1855672 etc.
1925133;1564246441;a111;Logged on 2018-11-01 17:49 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, maybe your thread. my thread was re "are we fucking idiots ?! we have a foundation that wants to publish statements of the nothing as its only output, we have a bunch of smart people not helping our own industry avoid pitfals, and in this vein forever"
1925134;1564246441;a111;Logged on 2018-09-29 23:35 mircea_popescu: but as far as the foundation is concerned -- if all it does (ALL IT DOES!!!) is stand up to tell me "oh, we can't follow the keccak because reasons" ima put an end to it in short order.
1925135;1564246570;mp_en_viaje;but no, the querstion is not nor ever could be "why does lord prefer republican process over non-republican process", because of the very definitions of terms. if he doesn't prefer republican process he isn't a lord, irrespective what any text anywhere might be misleadingly stating ; and in any case any text anywhere will be brought into allignment with this theory sooner or later.
1925136;1564251409;dorion;!!deposit 0.05
1925137;1564252203;dorion;trinque any insight into why no response was produced ? I note wot.deedbot.org is updated with my key.
1925138;1564252656;trinque;dorion: give it another try for me?
1925139;1564252764;dorion;!!deposit 0.05
1925140;1564252822;trinque;thanks, one se
1925141;1564252825;trinque;*sec
1925142;1564256186;trinque;dorion: something's jacked with account creation. I'll ping you when I have it fixed.
1925143;1564256480;dorion;trinque thank you, Sir.
1925144;1564257000;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/derpy-sluttyev-or-how-shall-i-call-this/ << Trilema -- Derpy Sluttyev, or how shall I call this...
1925145;1564258848;trinque;dorion: should work for you now.
1925146;1564258998;dorion;!!deposit 0.05
1925147;1564259003;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/
1925148;1564259079;trinque;fuck's sake
1925149;1564259083;trinque;sec.
1925150;1564259146;trinque;and once more with gusto
1925151;1564259156;dorion;!!deposit 0.05
1925152;1564259162;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wrmN5/?raw=true
1925153;1564259179;trinque;there we go.
1925154;1564297134;mp_en_viaje;good morning dear republic!
1925155;1564300004;diana_coman;morning mp_en_viaje
1925156;1564300268;mp_en_viaje;how's logless life, diana_coman
1925157;1564301001;diana_coman;still sucks, lol
1925158;1564301060;diana_coman;at least local log still works and at some point, it'll see the light of public I suppose
1925159;1564301232;mp_en_viaje;aha.
1925160;1564301240;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: that derpy slutyev sounds like a umbla cu pula vapsita, lol
1925161;1564301262;mp_en_viaje;lmao
1925162;1564301312;mp_en_viaje;pai cine are, are, si cine n-are citeodata are, cite-odata n-are. sa ti-o zic si-n engleza ?
1925163;1564301385;diana_coman;lolz
1925164;1564302534;mp_en_viaje;but anyway, re the kiev : it is REALLY GREAT to sit down in nice restaurant, order soup & fillet mignon and then leisurely coffee starting at... 3 in the morning.
1925165;1564302556;mp_en_viaje;i currently know of no place in allegedly civilised world where this is quite so readily available.
1925166;1564302624;mp_en_viaje;apparently the best thing for quality of life is absence of any consideration for human rights, complete corruption of the government and culturally embedded, societally recognized male inferiority.
1925167;1564302693;mp_en_viaje;~none of the (very eager, in a dedicated and as-perceived-moral-obligation sense) sluts i've talked to would consider a relationship with a local, or even a rusophone, of any kind ; NOR DO THEY THINK THIS IS AT ALL IMPORTANT.
1925168;1564302702;mp_en_viaje;local dorks had even their dorkitude stolen from them.
1925169;1564302777;mp_en_viaje;"even talking to them [about sex and such things] sounds stupid/vulgar" were exact quotes.
1925170;1564305687;diana_coman;sounds very... real, essentially.
1925171;1564307283;mp_en_viaje;hm ?
1925172;1564309692;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-are-certain-behaviors-and-jobs-more-masculine-and-out-of-our-control-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Are Certain Behaviors -- And Jobs -- More Masculine? And Out Of Our Control? Adnotated.
1925173;1564314991;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-28#1925167 - this part has this quality of "very real" for lack of how to better put it.
1925174;1564314991;a111;Logged on 2019-07-28 08:31 mp_en_viaje: ~none of the (very eager, in a dedicated and as-perceived-moral-obligation sense) sluts i've talked to would consider a relationship with a local, or even a rusophone, of any kind ; NOR DO THEY THINK THIS IS AT ALL IMPORTANT.
1925175;1564315542;mp_en_viaje;as in, you've had the same experience with ukrainian girls ?!
1925176;1564315579;diana_coman;lolz, not with ukrainian girls as such; but I knew girls/environments precisely like that
1925177;1564315587;mp_en_viaje;aha
1925178;1564315725;mp_en_viaje;meanwhile in other mega discoveries nobody hears about, https://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/acs.joc.8b00336 << total kinetic/thermodinamic control discovered in hexafluoro-2-butyne reaction with bis-furyl dienes
1925179;1564315730;mp_en_viaje;previously purely theoretic item
1925180;1564315824;diana_coman;it's probably "too much to dive in" for any "journalist", lolz
1925181;1564315896;mp_en_viaje;kinda also illustrates the problem with "how did i not notice " / "was right there under nose" etc -- yes, was. in a field so huge fulla haystacks so vast...
1925182;1564316103;diana_coman;myeah.
1925183;1564316321;diana_coman;meanwhile in cute homeworks https://s.ragavan.co/2019/07/the-wot-versus-linked-in/
1925184;1564316753;mp_en_viaje;is the guy in here ?
1925185;1564316763;diana_coman;it's shrysr
1925186;1564316765;diana_coman;!!up shrysr
1925187;1564316766;deedbot;shrysr voiced for 30 minutes.
1925188;1564316784;diana_coman;I rated him so he can up himself but he's still finding his bearings/being prudent about it
1925189;1564316793;diana_coman;not a bad thing either
1925190;1564316852;mp_en_viaje;shrysr, i suspect you misunderstand [http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-are-certain-behaviors-and-jobs-more-masculine-and-out-of-our-control-adnotated/?b=Let&e=words#select][the meaning] of the numbers.
1925191;1564316893;mp_en_viaje;if i rate someone -10, i thereby communicate two different things : a) a negative and b) how likely do i deem this to be my final appraisal (10 out of 10, ie as far as i
1925192;1564316898;mp_en_viaje; can tell a certainty)
1925193;1564316959;mp_en_viaje;if i rate A +3 and B+5, i communicate one same thing and one different thing : a) the similar thing is, a positive, for both. the different thing is, that one's less likely to change.
1925194;1564316968;diana_coman;that seems to be the hardest part for people to get; in fairness the actual meaning attached to a rating is up to the one giving the rating so ...
1925195;1564316975;mp_en_viaje;this is ~one~ of the senses in which deedbot ratings, though saved as numeric, ARE NOT NUMBERS.
1925196;1564316990;mp_en_viaje;adding them, dividing them, etcetera, is necessarily meaningless an activity, like adding any other letters.
1925197;1564316999;mp_en_viaje;can you add A + D ?
1925198;1564317063;mp_en_viaje;went through an entire article without reference to http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ which is fucken bizarre.
1925199;1564317085;mp_en_viaje;shrysr, is this because you did not see the article before, or is it because it "didn't make sense" and so discarded ?
1925200;1564317158;mp_en_viaje;"Does the rating matter? No. You can rate anybody, and the ratings represent your ‘social graph’. Somebody with poor ratings from many different people should probably be treated with some caution, but even so these ratings cannot be used to ‘judge’ anybody in any meaningful or profound manner." << this in particular is utter fucking nonsense.
1925201;1564317878;mp_en_viaje;meanwhile in fucktarded wikipedia, "The subject of forced prostitution in the camps was alluded to in survivors' memoirs at least as early as 1972, when the first edition of Heinz Heger's book[5] was published. However, the subject remained largely taboo in studies of Nazism until the mid-1990s, when new publications by female researchers broke the silence."
1925202;1564317894;mp_en_viaje;fancy that wonder, http://trilema.com/2015/the-pawnbroker/ came out 1964, nazi camp forced prostitution central thematic device.
1925203;1564317911;mp_en_viaje;thanks god hilary clinton gave these morons their moron rights, wtf would the pre-existing world have done without their useless cuntheads.
1925204;1564319596;bvt;hi. i'm back from my travel (incidentally, also from ukraine, though not kyiv)
1925205;1564320673;mp_en_viaje;wb
1925206;1564323189;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-28#1925178 << quite interesting on several levels. (not only the find per se, but that it actually includes 300pg of raw spectra, holyfuq)
1925207;1564323189;a111;Logged on 2019-07-28 12:08 mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in other mega discoveries nobody hears about, https://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/acs.joc.8b00336 << total kinetic/thermodinamic control discovered in hexafluoro-2-butyne reaction with bis-furyl dienes
1925208;1564323197;mp_en_viaje;ikr.
1925209;1564323215;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: how didja dig this up ?
1925210;1564323216;mp_en_viaje;fucking chemistry textbook all in one.
1925211;1564323236;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, i have slaves
1925212;1564323298;asciilifeform;i'ma guess they were looking for 'thermodynamics -- proposes, kinetics -- disposes' lol
1925213;1564323303;mp_en_viaje;lol
1925214;1564323313;mp_en_viaje;somebody's gotta make all the bombs and things, what can i say.
1925215;1564323379;asciilifeform;diels-alder is how one makes gabriel_laddel fodder, tho, rather than strained nitrogens lol
1925216;1564323385;mp_en_viaje;yes well.
1925217;1564323485;*;asciilifeform sweated through 2y of organikism but not had occasion to use in battlefield.
1925218;1564325370;mp_en_viaje;sooo... anyone recall this years-old trilema article wherein the dilemma of the scumbag was discussed -- either say something that's already been said a trillion times and not stand out, or else say something for the reason that it wasn't said before, and stand out.
1925219;1564326533;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: iirc this was the 'cancerous fags' piece
1925220;1564326541;mp_en_viaje;no ?!
1925221;1564326640;mp_en_viaje;http://trilema.com/2014/parody-is-not-there-for-you-cancerous-fags-to-try-and-hide-your-cancer-behind-it/ << sadly not in there.
1925222;1564327455;asciilifeform;hm
1925223;1564327475;asciilifeform;there was defo thread in the logs, where mp_en_viaje elaborated on subj. but for some reason cannot find in o(1)
1925224;1564327487;mp_en_viaje;le suck
1925225;1564327524;asciilifeform;but in other [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-28#1925178][strange], asciilifeform was just about to shelve the 'm' thing when realized how to do tlb lookup in o(1)
1925226;1564327524;a111;Logged on 2019-07-28 12:08 mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in other mega discoveries nobody hears about, https://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/acs.joc.8b00336 << total kinetic/thermodinamic control discovered in hexafluoro-2-butyne reaction with bis-furyl dienes
1925227;1564327579;asciilifeform;it's 1 of those 'wtf didn't think of this before' items, will post.
1925228;1564327619;asciilifeform;( worx on all boxen that have 'sse2'. 2x faster , in principle, where 'sse3' but i haven't any )
1925229;1564327682;asciilifeform;method is potentially applicable elsewhere (e.g. eulorism) so deserves a proper writeup
1925230;1564327698;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-are-drug-companies-hiding-negative-studies-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Are Drug Companies Hiding Negative Studies? Adnotated.
1925231;1564335699;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-28#1925158 << Just to update: I've spent yesterday and the first half of today re-digging into the #eulora logotron coad, and I have come to the conclusion that I just want to burn it all and start over. (i.e. *I* don't even want to use it anymore)
1925232;1564335699;a111;Logged on 2019-07-28 08:04 diana_coman: at least local log still works and at some point, it'll see the light of public I suppose
1925233;1564335705;lobbes;Chiefly because in order to even install the heathen [https://pypi.org/project/irclog2html/][python coad], you need to first install and use "pip", which is dubious in its own right (see their 'mandatory code of conduct' for starters: https://www.pypa.io/en/latest/code-of-conduct/)
1925234;1564335713;lobbes;And second; I would bet a lot of money that it will take me LESS time to simply code something fresh off of the republican logbot tree, then to deconstruct this frankenstein monster I created 4 years ago.
1925235;1564335721;lobbes;So, I want to apologize to diana_coman personally for this delay. Rest assured I am on the case
1925236;1564338100;diana_coman;lobbes: fine but what's your actual estimate on this something fresh off of the republican logbot tree?
1925237;1564338378;mp_en_viaje;maybe somebody should drop a line to those pip schmucks, "here
1925238;1564338391;mp_en_viaje;s your piece of shit being dropped out of production because of your pantsuit bullshit
1925239;1564338397;mp_en_viaje;do they even have a channel ?
1925240;1564338660;mp_en_viaje;apparently it's [http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/x9tZ6/?raw=true][#pypa].
1925241;1564338682;asciilifeform;ftr asciilifeform was never able to get 'pip' to work at all ! ( tried many times when was writing phuctor )
1925242;1564338880;mp_en_viaje;unsurprising ; pythonisms tend to consist of http://ossasepia.com/2019/06/18/euloran-blus-and-boos/ sorta useless scribble.
1925243;1564338885;shrysr;mp_en_viaje:  http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-28#1925199  thank you for explanation. I had seen your article earlier, but did not finish reading it, and did not refer to it in writing the post. However, I am revisiting the WoT and will revert with a better summary.
1925244;1564338885;a111;Logged on 2019-07-28 12:31 mp_en_viaje: shrysr, is this because you did not see the article before, or is it because it "didn't make sense" and so discarded ?
1925245;1564339292;asciilifeform;in other noose, 'sse' is... a scam! the 'simd' variant of tlb is actually ~slower~ (at least on my amd 2393se) !!
1925246;1564339319;asciilifeform;will vpatch it anyway so perhaps other folx, w/ diff irons, can see whether 'still scam' or 'was scam in 2009' strictly
1925247;1564339446;shrysr;mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-28#1925193 why should one be less likely to change?
1925248;1564339446;a111;Logged on 2019-07-28 12:29 mp_en_viaje: if i rate A +3 and B+5, i communicate one same thing and one different thing : a) the similar thing is, a positive, for both. the different thing is, that one's less likely to change.
1925249;1564339709;BingoBoingo;shrysr: Greater experience
1925250;1564339956;BingoBoingo;Re: local politics: "Van a querer etiquetarnos, pero cuantas más etiquetas nos pongan más orgullosamente blancos nos ponemos" << "orgullosamente blanco" is a thing people can be here
1925251;1564340215;lobbes;diana_coman: I'll do some pencil-to-paper planning today and will try to have an educated estimate out by tonight (roughly 8hrs from now)
1925252;1564340359;diana_coman;lobbes: kk
1925253;1564340417;shrysr;BingoBoingo: re experience -  would that also imply that it was 'short sighted' to rate diana_coman 10, after knowing her a couple of weeks, irrespective of the impact of her discussions ?
1925254;1564340510;BingoBoingo;shrysr: Well, it depends. diana_coman does have a long history of public performance you could be rating off of. It could also be the case that down the line you recalibrate your scale.
1925255;1564341071;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje et al : [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3440][posted, for future walkers of this minefield.]
1925256;1564341204;feedbot;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3440 << Loper OS -- M Performance Pessimizations! or: SSE is a Scam.
1925257;1564342215;diana_coman;shrysr: one way to think of it is "strength of evidence on which I'm basing this evaluation"; as such, it's not some set amount of time or such purely mechanical measure; and moreover there is no direct reciprocity as interactions are never perfectly symmetrical like that.
1925258;1564342267;mp_en_viaje;!Q later tell nicoleci http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/4Ug9B/?raw=true
1925259;1564342268;lobbesbot;mp_en_viaje: The operation succeeded.
1925260;1564342368;diana_coman;o.O that's some... interesting result there asciilifeform
1925261;1564342414;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i always suspected that 'fancy' x86 instrs were a sham (i.e. take just about as long, cuz really microcoded, as the classical alternative )
1925262;1564342434;mp_en_viaje;shrysr, it's ~your~ estimation, you're the one that's supposed to know. in principle it could be said it's remarkable you're so firmly convinced in a coupla weeks ; but it could not be said it isn't possible.
1925263;1564342434;mp_en_viaje;i've made the sorta call in two minutes ; people occasionally do, especially across the gender gap. whole human brain is optimized precisely and specifically to make this sort of call in the shortest time possible, there's no other problem besides, perhaps, object tracking that we're as good at.
1925264;1564342441;asciilifeform;diana_coman: nao -- experimental proof.
1925265;1564342553;asciilifeform;diana_coman: the extra coad req'd to keep the sseism regs properly filled, entirely wipes out whatever cost saved by using the parallel 16byte searcher.
1925266;1564342575;asciilifeform;'save patient's ear by cutting out eye'
1925267;1564342643;diana_coman;aha, such saving
1925268;1564342668;asciilifeform;presently asciilifeform suspects that 'sseism' was a straight 'upgrade scam', i.e. trick to make folx throw out old irons when really 0 justification
1925269;1564342696;asciilifeform;( by breaking binary compat. e.g. current microshit won't even boot w/out sse3 , iirc )
1925270;1564342726;asciilifeform;ditto crapple's shit
1925271;1564342782;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-28#1925245 << me grins. progress, amirite ?
1925272;1564342782;a111;Logged on 2019-07-28 18:41 asciilifeform: in other noose, 'sse' is... a scam! the 'simd' variant of tlb is actually ~slower~ (at least on my amd 2393se) !!
1925273;1564342815;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: see piece. (it's short.)
1925274;1564342835;mp_en_viaje;aha.
1925275;1564342880;mp_en_viaje;right choice re publishing ; unsurprising sse did nothing.
1925276;1564342894;asciilifeform;orig. thought, like idjit, that it wouldn't even need the cache from the 2nd patch
1925277;1564342906;asciilifeform;ended up that yes needs, simply to match the performance of ~orig~ genesis ver.
1925278;1564342938;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-28#1925257 << the ~other~ way to look at it is, "if this person defaults my remedy is that im out of the whole thing", which is not an untenable stance, esp for knights
1925279;1564342938;a111;Logged on 2019-07-28 19:30 diana_coman: shrysr: one way to think of it is "strength of evidence on which I'm basing this evaluation"; as such, it's not some set amount of time or such purely mechanical measure; and moreover there is no direct reciprocity as interactions are never perfectly symmetrical like that.
1925280;1564342960;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: per vendor's manual ( and interestingly HAD TO DUST IT OFF, there are ~0 useful sources on net, errybody wants to talk about intel's c++ 'intrinsics' lib re sse) they're supposed to operate in parallel.
1925281;1564342962;asciilifeform;but guesswhat.
1925282;1564342991;mp_en_viaje;not usefully.
1925283;1564343008;asciilifeform;conclusively, imho, uselessly.
1925284;1564343046;*;asciilifeform mixes bag of cement to pour on the grave of this thing.
1925285;1564343277;*;asciilifeform bbl:tea.
1925286;1564347394;diana_coman;BingoBoingo: the comments links seem broken on younghands.club; is there more weirdness with the mp-wp install? e.g. http://younghands.club/2019/07/28/week-2-progress-summary-3/ links to http://younghands.club/2019/07/28/week-2-progress-summary-3/comment-page-/#comment-4 that 404s
1925287;1564347471;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: This is odd. I an unsure how or why mp-wp tries to paginate comments. Will try to see if I can uncover anything.
1925288;1564347581;diana_coman;BingoBoingo: the problem is that it fails to add the 1 there i.e. this resolves correctly: younghands.club/2019/07/28/week-2-progress-summary-3/comment-page-1/#comment-4
1925289;1564347653;diana_coman;possibly a theme thing though iirc I just used the basic theme, changed only the colour and added the author under title
1925290;1564347668;BingoBoingo;When I load it in my browser I get redirected to http://younghands.club/2019/07/28/week-2-progress-summary-3/#comment-4, which I suspect is how it should be generating the link in the first place.
1925291;1564347715;BingoBoingo;I suspect the place to attack this is the discussion settings tab
1925292;1564347718;diana_coman;hm, if you look at recent comments, the link is with page-1 and there it is correct
1925293;1564347805;diana_coman;BingoBoingo: there is indeed  a "break comments into pages" etc; is that what you mean?
1925294;1564347812;diana_coman;it shouldn't *break* it though, ugh
1925295;1564347823;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: Yeah, uncheck that box
1925296;1564347969;diana_coman;BingoBoingo: done and indeed this way it works; I wasn't aware of this bug in mp-wp though
1925297;1564348196;BingoBoingo;I don't recall running into it before either.
1925298;1564348386;diana_coman;anyway, thank you BingoBoingo for a prompt workaround to it!
1925299;1564348421;BingoBoingo;I suspect the right cut here is kill comment pagination.
1925300;1564348966;mp_en_viaje;comment pagination is a fucking stupid idea that was never supported on trilema
1925301;1564350426;diana_coman;tbh I never used several pages of comments and having them broken at a random place seems like a stupid idea indeed; but then again, I probably messed about with all the knobs around there at one time or another.
1925302;1564350438;diana_coman;so yes, certainly better to have it cut out entirely
1925303;1564350499;mp_en_viaje;word.
1925304;1564350630;BingoBoingo;Knob that never should have been
1925305;1564350748;feedbot;http://pizarroisp.net/2019/07/28/pizarro-isp-july-28th-2019-update/ << PizarroISP -- Pizarro ISP July 28th 2019 Update
1925306;1564351674;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: plox to revisit the rk q in light of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-24#1924558
1925307;1564351674;a111;Logged on 2019-07-24 16:01 asciilifeform: and atm 'back to chalkboard' re how to answer it
1925308;1564351751;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Will keep looking for more
1925309;1564351806;asciilifeform;rk co. seems to not be doing so hot in market. is, near as i can tell, being price-squeezed by the even cheaper (but for our application useless, as they dun boot bloblessly) arm clones
1925310;1564351886;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Also getting squeezed by the firms big enough simply getting their own arms printed
1925311;1564351888;asciilifeform;asciilifeform thought that could escape from the yoke of 'the mercy of' cpu vendors, but turns out not so easy
1925312;1564351931;asciilifeform;'we ported tmsr to tmsr-cpu, nao eat shit, idjits'
1925313;1564352005;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: arm per se is a pretty sad thing. almost as if someone sat down an' 'let's have a contest, can anyone come up with even uglier arch than x86'
1925314;1564352041;BingoBoingo;Well, getting tmsr-cpu is looking like a matter with a clock running on it. Opens up whether we want MIPS, Alpha64-like, or something else
1925315;1564352127;asciilifeform;fwiw i found that retargeting gcc is not actually very hard
1925316;1564352151;asciilifeform;( to novel -- but reasonably 'boring', that is, von neumann, arch )
1925317;1564352189;asciilifeform;the hard part is getting to-what
1925318;1564352190;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/07/canadian-old-woman-tries-to-sue-for-mousetrap-ban-on-behalf-of-mice/ << Qntra -- Canadian Old Woman Tries To Sue For Mousetrap Ban On Behalf Of Mice
1925319;1564352228;asciilifeform;lol!
1925320;1564352233;asciilifeform;!#s squirrel rights
1925321;1564352233;a111;1 result for "squirrel rights", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=squirrel%20rights
1925322;1564352235;BingoBoingo;Probably going to need at least one Von Neumann tmsr-CPU before escaping to something else
1925323;1564352433;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: if martians were to parachute down a crate of clean cpu, turns out retargeting , baking linux, etc. takes weeks, not yrs. but martians prolly won't.
1925324;1564352579;BingoBoingo;In other news, this weekend every public member of the FA from Candidate Martinez to Pepe Mujica switched at once to calling Venezuela's democratically elected government a dictatorship.
1925325;1564352595;asciilifeform;FA ?
1925326;1564352610;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The present ruling coalition
1925327;1564352619;BingoBoingo;The fat forehead party
1925328;1564352621;asciilifeform;i guess their miami cheques finally cleared ? nfi
1925329;1564352663;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Maybe? poll came out this week the showed them way behind in intention to vote. Local speculation surrounds that.
1925330;1564352700;asciilifeform;( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-07#1921978 )
1925331;1564352700;a111;Logged on 2019-07-07 03:11 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: re uy election piece -- i'ma have to confess that it reads to me exactly like descriptions of footballism. i.e. massive pile of unbound symbols
1925332;1564352905;BingoBoingo;Current polls show the Blancos/Nationalists winning the first round and thus the legislative plurality. Barring alien invasion there will be a second round runoff for the presidency. The FA guy is projected to lose to either the Blanco or the Red depending on who the first round puts in the runoff.
1925333;1564352949;asciilifeform;to asciilifeform seems approx as interesting as whether the blueskins will lose to redskins etc
1925334;1564353063;BingoBoingo;Well, it changes who goes to the courts and who write the rulebooks to either work with or around
1925335;1564353093;asciilifeform;!Q later tell phf will [http://btcbase.org/patches][patch viewer] ever get [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-24#1924501][fed] !? and how about [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-22#1924232][logotron genesis] ?! where didja go, phf ? feeding the fish ?
1925336;1564353093;a111;Logged on 2019-07-24 13:32 asciilifeform: grr phf is it gonna take 2 months for the thing to be in btcbase.org/patches so i can link to it ?!
1925337;1564353093;a111;Logged on 2019-07-22 13:52 asciilifeform: really imho would rather have genesis of phf's, than a php concoction
1925338;1564353093;lobbesbot;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1925339;1564353171;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I will point out that the Election does have an undesirable worst case where the Colorado/Reds and guy who identifies as an economist wins. In that scenario Uruguay spends 5 years it can't afford as NY/US vassal state
1925340;1564353820;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, and it prolly cost less than 10k in peanuts, too.
1925341;1564353829;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, well, you got a business there...
1925342;1564353994;mp_en_viaje;re phf, it's pretty weird case, we met a coupla times in minsk ; then he just quit answering his phone. it was mildly concerning because he was having some health issues, but the people at his hotel wouldn't fucking pick up the phone and i opted against scouring the hospitals and police blotters before leaving.
1925343;1564353995;mp_en_viaje;nfi
1925344;1564354309;asciilifeform;!#seen phf
1925345;1564354309;a111;2019-07-18 <phf> afk
1925346;1564354314;asciilifeform;^ apparently not since
1925347;1564354341;*;asciilifeform brb:meat
1925348;1564354366;mp_en_viaje;seen in person post http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-20#1923976 ; he gave nicole a ring and ran over.
1925349;1564354366;a111;Logged on 2019-07-20 13:42 mp_en_viaje: in other local news, ima go for coffee @ cafe de paris, karla marcsa 8 say about 18:00, if any phf s in town wanna join.
1925350;1564354400;mp_en_viaje;i ended up opting to not even publish pics, because couldn't get in touch anymore to see if any objections.
1925351;1564354773;feedbot;http://bimbo.club/2019/07/checking-in/ << Bimbo.Club -- Checking in
1925352;1564354866;mp_en_viaje;altogether i'd say the absolute worst case of benefit/effort ratio in history of mp meets. pretty much everyone else did manage to get ~some kind~ of boost from taking the trouble to come over have a cup of coffee ; but in this case a humongo helping of what i can only mentally represent as http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-23#1919605 resulted in a few hours discussing nothing of any consequence (minus, of course, a firm promise of
1925353;1564354866;a111;Logged on 2019-06-23 06:59 mircea_popescu: and this paroxistic-avoidant approach worries me universally, phf is stuck in the exact same rut, for instance. i have never in my life seen this approach to things work. not once, not FUCKING ONCE, and this is all the more indicative as it's one of the most commonly deployed broken strategies.
1925354;1564354866;mp_en_viaje;future srs committment) and well... that'd be pretty much it.
1925355;1564354867;mp_en_viaje;as per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-01#1806991 tradition i don't even have enough information to distinguish between the case where "phf bleeding to death in a minsk ditch" ; "phf in love forgot all about world" ; "phf kidnapped by unreported alien invasion" or literally any other alternative. nfi how to approach it, either, tried everything i could think of.
1925356;1564354867;a111;Logged on 2018-05-01 15:59 mircea_popescu: you didn't even as much as say "hey, i have a job irl". am i to assume you do ? why should i have to assume, why should i have to guess, there's simply no benefit to doing it this way.
1925357;1564354877;mp_en_viaje;i'm guessing it'll resolve itself some way or another.
1925358;1564355754;BingoBoingo;!!invoice dorion 0.03199927 1 Quarter Rockchip with FUCKGOATS And 1TB SSD
1925359;1564355761;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/uLTlm/?raw=true
1925360;1564355807;BingoBoingo;!!v D3A9A27298FBBC978886FC34D2406E291D9B135E7ACF0639BAB3A8FE74E74A21
1925361;1564355812;deedbot;Invoiced dorion 0.03199927 << 1 Quarter Rockchip with FUCKGOATS And 1TB SSD
1925362;1564356755;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-are-law-schools-lying-to-their-applicants-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Are Law Schools Lying To Their Applicants? Adnotated.
1925363;1564358892;BingoBoingo;In the ongoing saga of lulcow Cristina and certain jail if she ever finds herself without an office https://archive.is/srDum
1925364;1564359125;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-28#1925341 << right, but asciilifeform cannot prevent the fall of uruguay as whole. so regards the polit-wankery as 'asteroid weather'
1925365;1564359125;a111;Logged on 2019-07-28 22:43 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, well, you got a business there...
1925366;1564359191;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-28#1925355 << for that matter afaik remains unknown where went e.g. Framedragger. swallowed, for all i know, in bermuda triangle.
1925367;1564359191;a111;Logged on 2019-07-28 23:01 mp_en_viaje: as per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-01#1806991 tradition i don't even have enough information to distinguish between the case where "phf bleeding to death in a minsk ditch" ; "phf in love forgot all about world" ; "phf kidnapped by unreported alien invasion" or literally any other alternative. nfi how to approach it, either, tried everything i could think of.
1925368;1564359341;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-28#1925342 << sounds like possible case of naggum.
1925369;1564359341;a111;Logged on 2019-07-28 22:46 mp_en_viaje: re phf, it's pretty weird case, we met a coupla times in minsk ; then he just quit answering his phone. it was mildly concerning because he was having some health issues, but the people at his hotel wouldn't fucking pick up the phone and i opted against scouring the hospitals and police blotters before leaving.
1925370;1564359978;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-28#1925256 << btw found shortly after posting that the 1-slot cache is not functional in the given patch. might fix, at some pt, but currently finding difficult to justify putting moar sweat into beating of the dead horse
1925371;1564359978;a111;Logged on 2019-07-28 19:13 feedbot: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3440 << Loper OS -- M Performance Pessimizations! or: SSE is a Scam.
1925372;1564364446;asciilifeform;meanwhile, [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3440#selection-811.1-821.20][updated] .
1925373;1564364780;asciilifeform;if someone else wants to pick up this sisyphian stone, is moar than welcome.
1925374;1564365131;asciilifeform;!!up tanami
1925375;1564365131;deedbot;tanami voiced for 30 minutes.
1925376;1564365135;asciilifeform;tanami: who might you be ?
1925377;1564365138;tanami;thx
1925378;1564365151;tanami;I was just browsing therealbitcoin.org
1925379;1564365171;asciilifeform;tanami: ...and ?
1925380;1564365213;tanami;well, I thought I'd join here for a bit and see what the community is like
1925381;1564365243;asciilifeform;tanami: 7+ years of logs at http://btcbase.org/log .
1925382;1564365286;tanami;cool
1925383;1564365327;asciilifeform;tanami: if you read and find interesting, please join #ossasepia / #asciilifeform and introduce self there.
1925384;1564365330;asciilifeform;until then :
1925385;1564365334;asciilifeform;!!down tanami
1925386;1564365445;asciilifeform;!Q later tell mod6 prolly oughta change that webchat link at trborg to go to your castle
1925387;1564365445;lobbesbot;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1925388;1564365462;asciilifeform;per mp_en_viaje's 'plox filter the noobs' dictum
1925389;1564365488;*;asciilifeform iirc changed on all of his pages, if anyone finds 1 where forgot -- plox to write in
1925390;1564372541;feedbot;http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/07/time-estimation-for-logotron-based-off-of-logbot-august-18th/ << lobbesblog -- Time estimation for logotron based off of logbot: August 18th
1925391;1564372552;lobbes;^^ diana_coman, et al.
1925392;1564372562;*;lobbes bbl, sleep
1925393;1564381929;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, wtf bs is that, they never had raisins.
1925394;1564381994;mp_en_viaje;this is SO fucking typical argentine, 100% pretense of a shocking livresque degree. it's like pantsuited hilarity declaring "if we continue with trump we'll be left without  subtility even". dude, you're fucking ustards, what the fuck.
1925395;1564382007;diana_coman;lobbes: if it brings it forward, just start with the most basic: grabs the data from db and displays it in the web page; once that is on, use another week to add the segment by day and the search
1925396;1564382279;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-29#1925366 << my default expectation, for all these cases, is that they're involved in a toxic cvasi-D/s relationship with a bratty princess that they worship (as per the toxic education they received from that stupid, worthelss whore of their mother). the girl pushes them and pushes them to either die or man up and put her on her knees as she needs and wants to be ; and they die, a slow, lengthy, p
1925397;1564382279;a111;Logged on 2019-07-29 00:13 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-28#1925355 << for that matter afaik remains unknown where went e.g. Framedragger. swallowed, for all i know, in bermuda triangle.
1925398;1564382279;mp_en_viaje;ainful death.
1925399;1564382380;mp_en_viaje;i run into said princesses at the rate of ~1/week ; eg http://trilema.com/2019/the-burlesque-competition-and-assorted-observances/?b=By%20far&e=chick#select very much exactly same. and they confess, too, she told me all about her bf, and how she got ever more aggressive, an eventually blood on the floor. wouldn't believe it's because of natural female http://trilema.com/2016/the-pedoepiphany/?b=nails&e=guts#select , believed her
1925400;1564382380;mp_en_viaje;psych, "it's because she was abused as child", as if there can be such a thing in women.
1925401;1564382484;mp_en_viaje;the ~only~ fucking way to have sane interpersonal relationships is, absolutely, admitting to the power exchange necessary and universal as the only possible cornerstone of any such thing ; but many people manage to content themselves with very lughtweight simulacra of relationships, and then on their prevalence all sort of nonsense is derived by naive republcian bois, such as "inept and unaware D/s will be perfecty safe to practi
1925402;1564382484;mp_en_viaje;ce, because i'm stupid"
1925403;1564382588;mp_en_viaje;now, this is to my mind likely like the "likely weather is likely", out of the 10k+ possible outcomes, this is the most likely. it's still a 0.5% sorta objective absolute likelihood. it's just that everything else scores from 0.38% to 0.001%
1925404;1564382676;*;mp_en_viaje is available to answer questions re the foregoing.
1925405;1564383620;mp_en_viaje;oh, actually, since i started this : it is harmful to a superlative degree to attempt pantsuit abuse upon little boys and call it "education". boys have to spill blood, as part of their natural and necessary function ; this is precisely why little girls come with clingwrap on their snatch.
1925406;1564383620;mp_en_viaje;the principal problem of manhood is then how to negotiate aggressivity and violence, between the hammer of [trilema.com/2016/honor-societies-vs-respect-societies-or-how-the-disaster-of-commons-sunk-the-western-world/?b=really think&e=then#select][the winds] of [http://trilema.com/2014/un-prophete/?b=tall&e=lt#select][doom]
1925407;1564383620;mp_en_viaje;and the anvil of the above.
1925408;1564383620;mp_en_viaje;how to hit hard enough ~but not harder~, when to raise an index of warning and when to raise a braided leather whip, and so ongoing.
1925409;1564383623;mp_en_viaje;trying to force upon them a "just close your eyes and hum, butters", "0 tolerance policy" etcetera nonsense, complete avoidance of the fundamental problem of their life is sheer idiocy : they'll still run into the same world as adults, they'll just be at significant disadvantage over normal boys from sane cultures for having had 0 experience with it and intentional maleducation, where they can't even ~reason~ about their lack, be
1925410;1564383628;mp_en_viaje;cause you stole the lacking from them also, so they don't even naturally see it.
1925411;1564383630;mp_en_viaje;there's nothing wrong with little boy watching you cut a pheasant open, "omg, blood everywhere". the whole fucking point of life is to learn the difference between "everywhere" and everywhere, between pheasant and his horses or women -- and no, these aren't distinct nor need to be distinguished.
1925412;1564383709;mp_en_viaje;hence "to be, or not to be, this is ..." and all of white culture following.
1925413;1564384332;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-29#1925368 << i guess it's possible. seems unlikely on the basis of general experience, but nfi
1925414;1564384332;a111;Logged on 2019-07-29 00:15 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-28#1925342 << sounds like possible case of naggum.
1925415;1564384390;mp_en_viaje;the fundamental difference being that naggum wrote a lot and phf avoided expressing self like you'd avoid fucking shambling old crackwhores in a leprosorium ; on which basis i'd daresay "nah, it'd be too much like expressing himself".
1925416;1564384574;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-29#1925386 << no, actually, to an actual castle. he's just as on his way out as he was at time of last lordship list revision, and quite frankly the absolute last thing i want to see is noobs infected with whatever brain parasite that turned 2013-2014 mod6 into 2018-2019 mod6.
1925417;1564384574;a111;Logged on 2019-07-29 01:57 asciilifeform: !Q later tell mod6 prolly oughta change that webchat link at trborg to go to your castle
1925418;1564385443;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-29#1925389 << self-correcting problem, if noobs keep showing up they'll flag it for you lol
1925419;1564385443;a111;Logged on 2019-07-29 01:58 asciilifeform iirc changed on all of his pages, if anyone finds 1 where forgot -- plox to write in
1925420;1564385464;mp_en_viaje;and if they don't.. .well... who's then to say it is not fixed.
1925421;1564389137;diana_coman;!!v F3C23B33EC844EE780C11718C23A4034A3F86FC8386D7CC8A1952EADE6C965DC
1925422;1564389137;deedbot;diana_coman rated zmk -5 << Bubico Garson (eu l-am aruncat, manca-i-ai coada!).
1925423;1564393489;feedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2019/07/29/overview-of-ffa-ch1-ch19/ << Ossa Sepia -- Overview of FFA Ch1 - Ch19
1925424;1564394164;mp_en_viaje;lmao wut!
1925425;1564394221;mp_en_viaje;([http://www.romanianvoice.com/poezii/teatru/ilc-bubico.php][bubico] reference for the rotaku club)
1925426;1564394336;diana_coman;he came into #ossasepia to "learn" but wouldn't give a name other than "zmk" so I gave him a name, what; he apparently ran off when he saw it was for realz, hence negrate.
1925427;1564394376;diana_coman;how does one imagine they can "learn" while hiding under the bed, I have no idea
1925428;1564394452;diana_coman;I suppose I "made him jump" , lolz
1925429;1564394605;mp_en_viaje;nfi
1925430;1564398428;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, to be > not always be considered.
1925431;1564398722;mp_en_viaje;reading diana_coman 's executive summary really brings into focus the beauty of stan's ffa. fucking gem, what.
1925432;1564398960;mp_en_viaje;re "drop shitty gpg" : the one remaining issue is key bootstrapping. to use peh instead of gpg one can't just keep plaintext rsa privkeys ; but peh has no built-in symmcipher either, so wut do.
1925433;1564399175;mp_en_viaje;meanwhile in derpistani lulz : it just rained for maybe 15-20 minutes (admittedly kinda hard) and... kiev is now flooded, foot tall waves in the "street"
1925434;1564400516;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: had changed it before that to "is not always considered"; do you think it's best "is not always to be considered"?
1925435;1564400555;diana_coman;and yes, FFA is a gem.
1925436;1564400617;mp_en_viaje;hmm
1925437;1564400618;diana_coman;oh, lemme guess re kiev - nobody ever actually cleared the drains since... USSR?
1925438;1564400660;mp_en_viaje;i see what you mean, but... it's klunky as is. "not always used" ?
1925439;1564400681;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, 100% bucharest/timisoara/what have you. ukraina 100% greater-romania, nfi why they didn't simply join
1925440;1564400685;diana_coman;works, will change to that.
1925441;1564400771;spyked;mp_en_viaje, this morning it rained in bucharest for about 2hrs straight (similarly, with 20 mins of heavy rain). another 3hrs later, streets are all dry and I expect by tomorrow it'll be back to 30+ degrees celsius
1925442;1564400801;mp_en_viaje;improved since the 2000s has it ?
1925443;1564400808;mp_en_viaje;well, kiev apparently stayed.
1925444;1564400834;diana_coman;I admit that I always pictured Ukr as "oh no, more of Husi"
1925445;1564400838;spyked;somewhat... the periphery is still shitty (if not shittier, in places)
1925446;1564401567;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-27#1925129 <-- I did notice, I'll be more careful to properly explain "why chosen to do X" in the future; relatedly, a long time ago /me studied basic jazz theory and it went exactly along the lines of "this mistake is actually a correct note in that particular context"
1925447;1564401567;a111;Logged on 2019-07-27 16:50 mp_en_viaje: spyked, my two "objections", as i'm sure you noticed, tend towards a broad "omfg, bad habits" sorta something.
1925448;1564401708;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-27#1925131 <-- ok. as far as I can see, this means that genesizing a CLtron should be next thing on the list after current item; otherwise can't run *any* of this CL code.
1925449;1564401708;a111;Logged on 2019-07-27 16:51 mp_en_viaje: as far as your practical example : do not genesis parts ; include the 12 things in yoru genersis if they are needed.
1925450;1564402186;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-29#1925395 << if you are good with the piecemeal approach, then I am. I'll see if I can get just that basic piece done by end-of-day August 4th
1925451;1564402186;a111;Logged on 2019-07-29 06:33 diana_coman: lobbes: if it brings it forward, just start with the most basic: grabs the data from db and displays it in the web page; once that is on, use another week to add the segment by day and the search
1925452;1564402500;diana_coman;lobbes: sounds good.
1925453;1564402944;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-27#1925126 << this has been good advice, btw, especially since I tend to get ahead of myself in general.
1925454;1564402944;a111;Logged on 2019-07-27 16:40 mp_en_viaje: slow and steady does it, btw. new beginnings are exciting, but new girls require patience.
1925455;1564402950;lobbes;I'm certainly improvising as I go here, but I gots a notebook near my bed that I write down shit I *want* to try to introduce her to, but only in time. Going slow (over the internets anyways, so no real rush in either case)
1925456;1564402965;lobbes;anyways, bbl. $saltmines call
1925457;1564403435;mp_en_viaje;oddly, the internet here's not nearly as good as minsk
1925458;1564403466;mp_en_viaje;how the fuck does this work can't be explained, but -- those dudes have tip top internet, no restaurants, here GREAT restaurant scene, shitty interwebs... wtf
1925459;1564404413;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/deluge-in-kiev-and-other-excess-stories/ << Trilema -- Deluge in Kiev, and other excess stories.
1925460;1564407920;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-29#1925415 << this is a point, fella was for some reason unable to bring himself to write...
1925461;1564407920;a111;Logged on 2019-07-29 07:13 mp_en_viaje: the fundamental difference being that naggum wrote a lot and phf avoided expressing self like you'd avoid fucking shambling old crackwhores in a leprosorium ; on which basis i'd daresay "nah, it'd be too much like expressing himself".
1925462;1564407968;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-29#1925423 << quite good summary! [http://ossasepia.com/2019/07/29/overview-of-ffa-ch1-ch19/comment-page-1/#comment-6257][asciilifeform added nitpick] .
1925463;1564407968;a111;Logged on 2019-07-29 09:44 feedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2019/07/29/overview-of-ffa-ch1-ch19/ << Ossa Sepia -- Overview of FFA Ch1 - Ch19
1925464;1564407988;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-29#1925418 << 'find gas leaks with match' heh
1925465;1564407988;a111;Logged on 2019-07-29 07:30 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-29#1925389 << self-correcting problem, if noobs keep showing up they'll flag it for you lol
1925466;1564408111;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-29#1925432 << needs keccak to actually rsa 'in anger', picked this up nao that asciilifeform returned from awol (where wrote 4l ln of ultimately failed asm experiment 'm') . but also thought about this point prior, will elaborate :
1925467;1564408111;a111;Logged on 2019-07-29 11:16 mp_en_viaje: re "drop shitty gpg" : the one remaining issue is key bootstrapping. to use peh instead of gpg one can't just keep plaintext rsa privkeys ; but peh has no built-in symmcipher either, so wut do.
1925468;1564408168;asciilifeform;given that 'peh' eats tape from stdio (this is by design, so that can 'chain' tapes) the only practical solution to symmetricizing seekritz kept on disk, afaik, is commandline 'serpent' util or similar.
1925469;1564408278;asciilifeform;i wrote one, but it needs a bit of polish. imho it may be an unhealthy thing, though, gold standard for 'secrets kept unattended' would be a dedicated iron, rather than 'type in passphrase into this linux proggy, and 'faith-based' count on the os not to stow the keystrokes somewhere'
1925470;1564408294;asciilifeform;subj merits proper discussion imho.
1925471;1564408636;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-29#1925396 << by some accounts, this disease killed even crowned heads ( ceausescu ) , and saharov, and buncha other 'names' , large an' small , ( an' many yrs ago almost killed asciilifeform , who did not come from factory with mp's complete immunity ) and fuck knows whom else
1925472;1564408636;a111;Logged on 2019-07-29 06:37 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-29#1925366 << my default expectation, for all these cases, is that they're involved in a toxic cvasi-D/s relationship with a bratty princess that they worship (as per the toxic education they received from that stupid, worthelss whore of their mother). the girl pushes them and pushes them to either die or man up and put her on her knees as she needs and wants to be ; and they die, a slow, lengthy, p
1925473;1564408740;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-29#1925439 << the 'transnistria' story illustrates 'why not joined'.
1925474;1564408740;a111;Logged on 2019-07-29 11:44 mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, 100% bucharest/timisoara/what have you. ukraina 100% greater-romania, nfi why they didn't simply join
1925475;1564408768;asciilifeform;( orc 'nationalist' wanks tend to follow language map, near as i can tell. )
1925476;1564408822;asciilifeform;sorta why gluing lang-incompatible orcistans generally requires an external conqueror (ru, austrians, turks, ..) who impose yet third lang
1925477;1564408991;asciilifeform;meanwhile [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=568&cpage=4#comment-19814][8+ y.o. asciilifeform piece still being commented..]
1925478;1564409215;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-29#1925466 << err, 4k
1925479;1564409215;a111;Logged on 2019-07-29 13:48 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-29#1925432 << needs keccak to actually rsa 'in anger', picked this up nao that asciilifeform returned from awol (where wrote 4l ln of ultimately failed asm experiment 'm') . but also thought about this point prior, will elaborate :
1925480;1564409295;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-29#1925437 << i suspect that autos parked on sidewalk (endemic in orcistans where 'hey nao you can borrow to buy merc' , saw in bucharest same) collapsed the drains.
1925481;1564409295;a111;Logged on 2019-07-29 11:43 diana_coman: oh, lemme guess re kiev - nobody ever actually cleared the drains since... USSR?
1925482;1564409551;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-29#1925458 << afaik it is at least partially a [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-29#1925406]['winds blowing down towers'] problem : in ukristan, isps owned by competing mobs routinely cut one another's wires
1925483;1564409551;a111;Logged on 2019-07-29 12:31 mp_en_viaje: how the fuck does this work can't be explained, but -- those dudes have tip top internet, no restaurants, here GREAT restaurant scene, shitty interwebs... wtf
1925484;1564409551;a111;Logged on 2019-07-29 07:00 mp_en_viaje: the principal problem of manhood is then how to negotiate aggressivity and violence, between the hammer of [trilema.com/2016/honor-societies-vs-respect-societies-or-how-the-disaster-of-commons-sunk-the-western-world/?b=really think&e=then#select][the winds] of [http://trilema.com/2014/un-prophete/?b=tall&e=lt#select][doom]
1925485;1564409663;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-29#1925468 << likely, but unix pipes are afaik leaky.
1925486;1564409663;a111;Logged on 2019-07-29 13:49 asciilifeform: given that 'peh' eats tape from stdio (this is by design, so that can 'chain' tapes) the only practical solution to symmetricizing seekritz kept on disk, afaik, is commandline 'serpent' util or similar.
1925487;1564409670;mp_en_viaje;i'd much prefer built-in
1925488;1564409692;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: it is entirely possible to build-in. this doesn't really solve 'unix is leaky' tho.
1925489;1564409710;mp_en_viaje;the "proper iron" will STILL need an activation, it can't jus tbe the magic rock of sluttery, serving all who hold it in hand.
1925490;1564409717;mp_en_viaje;and this reduces to pw and symcipher
1925491;1564409730;asciilifeform;( 'build in' would require explicitly calling the keyboard, also, a la gpg, rather than 'pw from stdin', tape is already coming from stdin )
1925492;1564409740;mp_en_viaje;possibly.
1925493;1564409792;mp_en_viaje;alternatively, what we could do, is "fg"-like that always plays same sequence over and over. then item could be ~republican key.
1925494;1564409794;asciilifeform;i did expect that folx would ask for this. there aint afaik a portable way of doing it, however, will require ugly c imports.
1925495;1564409806;mp_en_viaje;"peh-pgp only works while fg-key plugged in"
1925496;1564409820;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: peh was specifically designed to work cleanly with ~this~ variant also. (hence 'cutout' mechanism)
1925497;1564409825;mp_en_viaje;aha
1925498;1564409858;asciilifeform;i.e. variant where the end of the pipe is a device running also peh , talking over r232.
1925499;1564409895;mp_en_viaje;i believe it's the correct approach, have fixed-size repeaters, like so : 1. plug into FG, will load up a 4kb chunk of random ; 2. unplug, it repeats the chunk permanently while powered.
1925500;1564409895;mp_en_viaje;this way can make own keys.
1925501;1564409915;asciilifeform;( was actually orig reason asciilifeform asked ave1 et al for mips gnat )
1925502;1564409953;mp_en_viaje;but yes, this will need more talk ; looks like it's getting towards being mature enough where actual pgp usage is contemplatable.
1925503;1564409956;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: why transmit the key over the (potentially loud) serial ? rsa in the box.
1925504;1564409988;mp_en_viaje;how big a box ?
1925505;1564410003;asciilifeform;sorta like what we were orig wanting to build prior to fg.
1925506;1564410006;asciilifeform;pocket-sized.
1925507;1564410007;mp_en_viaje;kinda too big
1925508;1564410022;mp_en_viaje;needs own power... it's meh
1925509;1564410054;mp_en_viaje;then again, rsa on unix... holy shit.
1925510;1564410101;asciilifeform;dun have to be [http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-02#1664464][much bigger than fg per se], really.
1925511;1564410101;a111;Logged on 2017-06-02 03:21 asciilifeform: meanwhile!! http://nosuchlabs.com/fg/cagetest/1.jpg , http://nosuchlabs.com/fg/cagetest/2.jpg
1925512;1564410115;mp_en_viaje;that'd be about the largest size practicable imo.
1925513;1564410116;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-29#1925471 << yup, it's a major flesheater.
1925514;1564410116;a111;Logged on 2019-07-29 13:57 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-29#1925396 << by some accounts, this disease killed even crowned heads ( ceausescu ) , and saharov, and buncha other 'names' , large an' small , ( an' many yrs ago almost killed asciilifeform , who did not come from factory with mp's complete immunity ) and fuck knows whom else
1925515;1564410177;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-29#1925475 << quite. but they're so deeply identical culturally speaking, it beggars beief.
1925516;1564410177;a111;Logged on 2019-07-29 13:59 asciilifeform: ( orc 'nationalist' wanks tend to follow language map, near as i can tell. )
1925517;1564410178;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: atm folx use entire lappies (iirc there's a mp photo w/ same) for the job. so even the pictured item would be substantial improvement re portability.
1925518;1564410207;mp_en_viaje;my idea is that if laptop sized, ima use a laptop
1925519;1564410225;mp_en_viaje;has to be MUCH smaller and convenient shaped to use own box
1925520;1564410236;asciilifeform;no conceivable reason why it'd have to be laptop-sized. this being said, i'd rather use lappy with msdos peh than unix, for cipheration/signing.
1925521;1564410264;asciilifeform;the gnarly bit is that attaching fg to lappy is inconvenient, given the current form factor.
1925522;1564410284;asciilifeform;(lappy offers no convenient internal parking for it)
1925523;1564410306;asciilifeform;at 1 time i soldered 1 in, manually, but it was pretty cavernous lappy
1925524;1564410730;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: ftr asciilifeform is of same position on 'where to rsa' as in 2013 -- ideally get it the hell off the pc.
1925525;1564410768;mp_en_viaje;yes but
1925526;1564410786;asciilifeform;even if the 4096bit modexp that's 2sec on pc, is 200sec on battery-powered micro, still imho entirely usable.
1925527;1564410860;asciilifeform;key ~gen~ imho especially dun belong on pc.
1925528;1564410940;asciilifeform;this kinda thing is where fab capability would be +9000 handy. but even without it, still doable, imho.
1925529;1564411033;asciilifeform;( on pc, in addition to 'unix leaky' and other boobytraps, also gotta contend with [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2963#selection-2387.79-2391.1][not knowing what the fuck the cpu does internally] in re constant-time )
1925530;1564411311;asciilifeform;iirc we had at least 1 thread re fact that pc is ~monstrously~ inefficient in re rsa, and even [http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-01#1719226][very simple custom ic, on batteries] would massively win over 'bleeding edge' x86
1925531;1564411311;a111;Logged on 2017-10-01 21:09 asciilifeform: rather, a standard, e.g., verilog mips, with the registers extended to 8192b.
1925532;1564411340;asciilifeform;but ordinary 32-bit slow micro ~also~ wins, if not in speed, but in 'knowing wtf is in the box' param.
1925533;1564411411;asciilifeform;arguably ffa series is moar primarily a handbook of how to build proper 'wide' arithmetizer, than pc proggy.
1925534;1564411415;*;asciilifeform brb:teatime
1925535;1564412217;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-arent-two-antipsychotics-better-than-one-the-most-important-article-on-psychiatry-part-3-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Aren't Two Antipsychotics Better Than One? The Most Important Article on Psychiatry, Part 3. Adnotated.
1925536;1564414795;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-29#1925370 << i oughta formalize the maffs problem , on the off chance that a log reader might want to attempt it via some oddball method (e.g. radix search) :
1925537;1564414795;a111;Logged on 2019-07-29 00:26 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-28#1925256 << btw found shortly after posting that the 1-slot cache is not functional in the given patch. might fix, at some pt, but currently finding difficult to justify putting moar sweat into beating of the dead horse
1925538;1564414857;asciilifeform;you have at most 16 entries, each of which has a 'tag' (3 bytes) that must match the query's tag .
1925539;1564414918;asciilifeform;writes to this structure have to be as fast as reads, as any time that a query results in 'not found', the table is written (typically one of the entries is replaced at ~random with a matching one, by the os)
1925540;1564414997;asciilifeform;1 naive solution i considered, was radix search, but with straight 3byte index, that's a 2^24-entry (4bit ea, i.e. index, so weights 1MB) table, would blow the pc cache to hell.
1925541;1564415027;asciilifeform;the solutions i tried, were : plain iterative search ; and the simd thing. both sucked.
1925542;1564415109;asciilifeform;1 observation : given that the tags ~must~ be unique (an iron mips will actually hard-crash if you manage to -- it aint easy -- stuff 2 entries 2/ identical tags into the table) it may be possible to use some variant of crc as 'hash' for 'hash table' or similar (catch is, it gotta be ~fast~. as in, coupla instructions at most.)
1925543;1564415241;asciilifeform;( phunphakt: 1980s mipsen not only crashed, but would actually ~smoke~, if 2 identical tags! they had ultra-simplistic dual-ported sram as the table, would result in short circuit ! )
1925544;1564415273;asciilifeform;for moar re this & related, see [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-25#1924765][the b00k].
1925545;1564415273;a111;Logged on 2019-07-25 17:30 asciilifeform: ... and yes there is actually a standard. even sold as dead tree b00k, called 'see mips run'
1925546;1564415509;asciilifeform;for extra pedanticism, the tag aint actually 3 bytes, but 20 bits.
1925547;1564415549;asciilifeform;( radix table still would blow cache )
1925548;1564415619;asciilifeform;err, 19.
1925549;1564415627;asciilifeform;anyway i think this covers the subj.
1925550;1564415743;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-29#1925425 >> бобик btw in ru. also not-uncommon old-school dog name. (and common parlance also for paddywagon)
1925551;1564415743;a111;Logged on 2019-07-29 09:57 mp_en_viaje: ([http://www.romanianvoice.com/poezii/teatru/ilc-bubico.php][bubico] reference for the rotaku club)
1925552;1564422090;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-29#1925394 << They built their culture around the verb "faltar", of course Argentines are going to pretend to have and have had things they are without
1925553;1564422090;a111;Logged on 2019-07-29 06:33 mp_en_viaje: this is SO fucking typical argentine, 100% pretense of a shocking livresque degree. it's like pantsuited hilarity declaring "if we continue with trump we'll be left without  subtility even". dude, you're fucking ustards, what the fuck.
1925554;1564422118;mp_en_viaje;nuts.
1925555;1564422198;BingoBoingo;Hence their normal focus on absent "recursos humanos" and squandered "recursos naturales"
1925556;1564422363;mp_en_viaje;in other #help, anyone recall which the fuck trilema article did i put the chicks reading while flat on belly on old style carpet, legs in perfect splits ?
1925557;1564422365;mp_en_viaje;they
1925558;1564422374;mp_en_viaje;re wearing yoga gear / eastern hairdo
1925559;1564422399;asciilifeform;i defo recall this pic (but how to find!)
1925560;1564422425;mp_en_viaje;pretty eastern hounds, very happy with that shot. oodles of tension in repose.
1925561;1564422435;BingoBoingo;http://trilema.com/2012/geeks-are-sexy-bang-one/
1925562;1564422438;mp_en_viaje;yay!
1925563;1564422454;mp_en_viaje;bless you my good man!
1925564;1564422459;asciilifeform;ha, classic sovok carpet
1925565;1564422588;BingoBoingo;That one was still fairly fresh in the Trilema mapping cache
1925566;1564422621;mp_en_viaje;2012 ?!
1925567;1564422631;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, same thing in ro
1925568;1564422656;asciilifeform;prolly same in ~all hruschebistans where cement floor/wall + actual winter
1925569;1564422697;mp_en_viaje;i expect
1925570;1564422712;BingoBoingo;<mp_en_viaje> 2012 ?! << Well trilema.com rolls random articles. From random articles gotta explore links, read, map, re-read, re-map, etc
1925571;1564422741;mp_en_viaje;win!
1925572;1564424470;dorion;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-27#1925151 << trinque as of ~20 minutes ago, deedbot tells me my !!balance is 0.0 and !!ledger is empty. however, the txn I made for this request was included in block 587568, which is 86 confirmations deep at present according to my local trb. do you see a problem on your end?
1925573;1564424470;a111;Logged on 2019-07-27 20:25 dorion: !!deposit 0.05
1925574;1564424807;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-29#1925549 << for extra thrd-completeness : [http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/0YjEb/?raw=true][portrait of typical tlb state].
1925575;1564424807;a111;Logged on 2019-07-29 15:53 asciilifeform: anyway i think this covers the subj.
1925576;1564424846;asciilifeform;folx who dun give a shit can safely skip below, but imho oughta put in log :
1925577;1564424918;asciilifeform;'G' means entry is 'global' (query 'asid' disregarded) ; V0 means 'valid when bit-after-bottom-of-tag in addr being translated is 0', and if match, translation replaces tag with pfn0. 1 means this but ~odd~, and pfn1, respectively;
1925578;1564424955;asciilifeform;d0 means 'dirty' i.e. writes are permitted. v1/d1 are same as this, but for when bit-below-bottom-of-tag is ~odd~.
1925579;1564425005;asciilifeform;('asid' in practice corresponds to process id. but mips gives only 1 byte for it, so e.g. linux shuffles'em so to be unique at any given time in table )
1925580;1564425038;asciilifeform;(* 'v1 means this but odd..' )
1925581;1564425084;asciilifeform;this incidentally is 9000x simpler than pc's page table. but still quite inconvenient under emulation (vs. physical iron, where it's a o(1) content-addressed ram lookup )
1925582;1564425115;asciilifeform;~end of evil sorcery aside~
1925583;1564425270;mp_en_viaje;dorion, takes a day or so.
1925584;1564425286;mp_en_viaje;it's not an automated process.
1925585;1564425838;dorion;mp_en_viaje ok, thank you, Sir.
1925586;1564426263;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-are-people-attracted-to-good-dancers-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Are People Attracted To Good Dancers? Adnotated.
1925587;1564431607;feedbot;http://ave1.org/2019/lisp-documenting-my-encounter-with-step-2/ << ave1 -- Lisp, documenting my encounter with, step #2
1925588;1564433853;mp_en_viaje;ave1, you fucked up the footnote format. remember that a (( opens and a )) closes and there's no nesting. thus therefore you can never have (( inside a footnote, like you do in footnote 3
1925589;1564438798;BingoBoingo;!!v FCD9932A7F33EB9D1176EDE52D60432F44CBD4318BB6F0862E9F92DE0E077426
1925590;1564438801;deedbot;Invoiced diana_coman 0.0216 << Shared Hosting Annual (new as of July 2019)
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1925606;1564452010;trinque;dorion: the selling point here is that the inputs and outputs are meat-operated.
1925607;1564452017;trinque;meat is present, standby
1925608;1564452223;trinque;fin
1925609;1564455281;Mocky;!!v 4D9B13EDE108BA0059725B3051BB16C90B482351D3337509BCD7C8CADEF0F50C
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1925612;1564459368;deedbot;dorion paid BingoBoingo invoice 1
1925613;1564459438;dorion;trinque thank you. I'd read it's meat operated, qr code over airgap iirc, but thought meat operation was only on outputs side.
1925614;1564460447;BingoBoingo;!!V E3734BF37CA97412FE9CA34DE99F241B69B4FDA3CD983111B4A5BBFE5C481455
1925615;1564460450;deedbot;BingoBoingo paid Mocky invoice 3
1925616;1564460536;BingoBoingo;In local news, stress fractures https://www.montevideo.com.uy/Noticias/Carolina-Cosse-pidio-calmarse-un-poco-y-dejar-de-hacer-politica-basada-en-focus-group--uc725571
1925617;1564461169;ave1;mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-29#1925588, thx! fixed. I did not put in a double ) to close of that comment. I also fixed some grammatical errors (I forgot to wait half an hour an proof-read before posting)
1925618;1564461169;a111;Logged on 2019-07-29 20:57 mp_en_viaje: ave1, you fucked up the footnote format. remember that a (( opens and a )) closes and there's no nesting. thus therefore you can never have (( inside a footnote, like you do in footnote 3
1925619;1564473289;mp_en_viaje;in other sads, something called "Blackboard_Safeassign" has been apparently crawling trilema for a while. it turns out "SafeAssign is a tool used to prevent plagiarism and to create opportunities to help students identify how to properly attribute sources rather than paraphrase. SafeAssign is effective as both a deterrent and an educational tool."
1925620;1564473299;mp_en_viaje;woe upon kiddies turning in trilema pages as their homework!
1925621;1564473837;mp_en_viaje;oh, and : "Website & Social Media Compliance, Monitoring and eDiscovery Solutions -- PageFreezer takes compliance and litigation off your plate by automatically archiving your websites, social media and enterprise collaboration in one easy cloud-based dashboard."
1925622;1564473850;mp_en_viaje;this is not even a stupid idea, sell web aerchiving as a litigation adjuvant.
1925623;1564474542;mp_en_viaje;meanwhile in other empire lulz, reader points out trilema "[http://traffic.alexa.com/graph?u=trilema.com][disappeared]" q4 2018. magic!
1925624;1564474593;mp_en_viaje;i guess i can go hang out with maduro and that guy in syria nao, new mp "democratically elected" in washington
1925625;1564477686;mp_en_viaje;meanwhile in rotaku antiqua, http://trilema.com/2011/uite-stam-si-noi-degeaba-pe-aici/ ; i probably should translate that piece.
1925626;1564477711;mp_en_viaje;aaand... this elitebook has developped a new problem : if it gets overheated, the wifi drops.
1925627;1564477741;mp_en_viaje;i thought for a day it's "bad internet", but no, everything else works, just this lappy drops. and... i put it in the fridge for 10 minutes, now "the internet" is fine again.
1925628;1564477751;mp_en_viaje;who the fuck heard of this, ima have to fridge my laptop periodically.
1925629;1564482320;feedbot;http://ave1.org/2019/lisp-function-null-step-3/ << ave1 -- Lisp, Function NULL, Step 3.
1925630;1564482461;ave1;btw, I do like lisp and going through the spec.
1925631;1564482982;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/fracture/ << Trilema -- Fracture
1925632;1564488954;jurov;ave1 and anyone learning common lisp: I recommend CLTL2, it is more accessible to sequential reading and it's the same information as CLHS, it was made at the same time.
1925633;1564491463;diana_coman;!!v BE8333B709761CC9477FE61D51A940B70EF3C7641C9F4B80EE5B6A87DFD65470
1925634;1564491466;deedbot;diana_coman paid BingoBoingo invoice 2
1925635;1564496537;ave1;jurov: Thanks!, I'll try it, but are all these lisp (sbcl, ecl etc) version 2 or 1?
1925636;1564496573;ave1;I did read SICP, so I'm not unfamiliar with the basic concepts
1925637;1564496818;ave1;Modern times; https://mitadmissions.org/blogs/entry/the_end_of_an_era_1/
1925638;1564496848;ave1; Personally, I wish it was possible to understand all the principles, but I guess its simply a reality that I must deal with. I guess, if you think about it, the path to further progression does not come from re-learning what has already been known a long time, but from using and building on that basis, applying principles in a working fashion, and achieving new things.
1925639;1564497941;jurov;ave1: CLTL2 means "Common Lisp the Language, 2nd edition", it's not about Lisp-1 vs. Lisp-2 distinction.
1925640;1564498019;jurov;sbcl, ecl, ccl are all Common Lisp (notice the big C) implementations
1925641;1564498116;jurov;There is no common (with small c) lisp, but multiple dialects.
1925642;1564498168;asciilifeform;jurov: i've actually written battlefield proggies in nuffin but the paper-standard cl. but admittedly this is rare.
1925643;1564498208;jurov;asciilifeform: i'm just under impression ave1 is confusing common and Common
1925644;1564498211;asciilifeform;hrm, prolly oughta disambiguate the sentence -- 'some proggies' 'in nuffin-but-the-paper-standard cl'
1925645;1564498225;asciilifeform;jurov: what's 'common' here ?
1925646;1564498267;asciilifeform;i only know one, i.e. ANSI INCITS 226-1994
1925647;1564498349;asciilifeform;ave1: re sussman, [http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=sussman][see also]
1925648;1564498384;jurov;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-30#1925635 << the root of misunderstanding.
1925649;1564498384;a111;Logged on 2019-07-30 14:22 ave1: jurov: Thanks!, I'll try it, but are all these lisp (sbcl, ecl etc) version 2 or 1?
1925650;1564498472;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-30#1925626 << this is endemic. affects crapple boxen, and possibly all the recent (5y or so) chipsets
1925651;1564498472;a111;Logged on 2019-07-30 09:08 mp_en_viaje: aaand... this elitebook has developped a new problem : if it gets overheated, the wifi drops.
1925652;1564498581;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-30#1925619 << i've been seeing these for years nao. they're all contemptible scams, incidentally: profit model is that shit student ~pays~ to test for 'accidental' plagiarism , so that homework won't set off detector when his prof tests
1925653;1564498581;a111;Logged on 2019-07-30 07:54 mp_en_viaje: in other sads, something called "Blackboard_Safeassign" has been apparently crawling trilema for a while. it turns out "SafeAssign is a tool used to prevent plagiarism and to create opportunities to help students identify how to properly attribute sources rather than paraphrase. SafeAssign is effective as both a deterrent and an educational tool."
1925654;1564498611;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-30#1925627 << watch out for condensate
1925655;1564498611;a111;Logged on 2019-07-30 09:09 mp_en_viaje: i thought for a day it's "bad internet", but no, everything else works, just this lappy drops. and... i put it in the fridge for 10 minutes, now "the internet" is fine again.
1925656;1564498646;asciilifeform;( the correct way to refrigerate devices is in sealed container w/ silica gel or at least dry rice )
1925657;1564498689;jurov;!!v 59A3D49DDCB01333A647C323428AE8DC46A4BEFD8DFD99B7E91E24B326C97E3F
1925658;1564498693;deedbot;jurov paid BingoBoingo invoice 14
1925659;1564498715;*;diana_coman imagines MP throwing lappy into the soup pot in the fridge
1925660;1564498727;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-30#1925632 << defo get cltl2. trying to learn from the ansi doc will pop yer head.
1925661;1564498727;a111;Logged on 2019-07-30 12:15 jurov: ave1 and anyone learning common lisp: I recommend CLTL2, it is more accessible to sequential reading and it's the same information as CLHS, it was made at the same time.
1925662;1564498780;asciilifeform;ave1: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/project/ai-repository/ai/html/cltl/cltl2.html full text.
1925663;1564499362;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-30#1925656 << eh, it's so dusty it'll absorb all condensation :D
1925664;1564499362;a111;Logged on 2019-07-30 14:57 asciilifeform: ( the correct way to refrigerate devices is in sealed container w/ silica gel or at least dry rice )
1925665;1564499390;asciilifeform;lol
1925666;1564499397;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-30#1925659 << she knows me too well by now
1925667;1564499397;a111;Logged on 2019-07-30 14:58 diana_coman imagines MP throwing lappy into the soup pot in the fridge
1925668;1564499548;asciilifeform;meanwhile [https://archive.is/onWKx][in heathen pits]. ( was, apparently, the source of the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-29#1925477 bandwidth sink. left'em a comment even. )
1925669;1564499548;a111;Logged on 2019-07-29 14:03 asciilifeform: meanwhile [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=568&cpage=4#comment-19814][8+ y.o. asciilifeform piece still being commented..]
1925670;1564500577;mp_en_viaje;you know, at the rate imperial tards spawn, i expect we're just on the cusp of becoming "old man on the mountain" saint-hermits, revered antiqua etc.
1925671;1564500658;asciilifeform;'in april was the jackal born, in june the rain-fed rivers swelled; 'never in all my life,' said he, 'have i so great a flood beheld''
1925672;1564501070;mp_en_viaje;you know ?
1925673;1564501138;asciilifeform;not even jackal, these folx have life cycle approaching that of drosophila naodays
1925674;1564502225;asciilifeform;[https://archive.is/onWKx#selection-12107.226-12112.0]['His blog is now nothing but bloviating about bitcoin'] << didjaknow !
1925675;1564502278;*;asciilifeform loox re when ~did~ last write anyffin about bitcoin... apparently '14.
1925676;1564502397;asciilifeform;possibly the source of confusion for the drosophila was the fact of ffa series being tagged, among other strings, 'bitcoin' , lol
1925677;1564502565;mp_en_viaje;more likely a simple http://trilema.com/2018/the-retards-handshake/ failure ; they looked for "https everywhere" or "code of conduct" or whatever and didn't find it ; and reaching to label the situation somehiw
1925678;1564502588;mp_en_viaje;since "he's not fucked in the head like us lowly peons" isn't available to the peon psyche, "bloviating about bitcoin" will hafta do
1925679;1564502595;asciilifeform;seems likely. difficult to picture 1 of these actually taking time to read the fucking link
1925680;1564502609;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-are-schools-breeding-narcissism-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Are Schools Breeding Narcissism? Adnotated.
1925681;1564502620;mp_en_viaje;your blog just fails to properly say apple could buy russia, or montjoie saint denis, or whatever "you're supposed to say".
1925682;1564502633;asciilifeform;they do a http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3440#selection-127.2-257.37 and jz .Not_Found,  eh.
1925683;1564502861;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-30#1925680 << oblig >> http://www.loper-os.org/pub/breedingbolsheviks.jpg
1925684;1564502861;a111;Logged on 2019-07-30 16:03 feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-are-schools-breeding-narcissism-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Are Schools Breeding Narcissism? Adnotated.
1925685;1564503104;mp_en_viaje;keks
1925686;1564503141;mp_en_viaje;in other news, kiev has excellent slut support stores, not merely good party scene support.
1925687;1564503165;asciilifeform;what's in such a store ? those arse-installable fox tails ?
1925688;1564503183;mp_en_viaje;got the sluts hats, masks, stockings, hanbot got GG bras -- which is the first time managed to find a fitting bra for her and so on
1925689;1564503188;asciilifeform;aa
1925690;1564503212;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, the buttplugs are more sex shop fare in my classificatiion
1925691;1564503230;asciilifeform;a, assumed that's what ~was~ 'slut support shop'
1925692;1564503245;mp_en_viaje;noh, see, support ?
1925693;1564503271;asciilifeform;and somehow i imagined (based on thin air) that silicoimplant comes with set of fitting covers
1925694;1564503298;asciilifeform;y'know, like lappy used to
1925695;1564503333;mp_en_viaje;but it goes... under the pectoral muscle
1925696;1564503373;mp_en_viaje;then there's the tit fat, and then thetre's the skin. how could the implant come with a bra ?
1925697;1564503417;asciilifeform;there was at one time a place that molded in-ear headphone to client's ear. assumed somehow that this exists for tits, and perhaps comes with the silicothing, lol
1925698;1564503441;*;asciilifeform not up to date on subj
1925699;1564504492;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in not-news, linux 3.16.70 src weighs... 625 MB .
1925700;1564504566;asciilifeform;( ~not~ including any particular gcc , or ~gcc's deps~, or 'binutils' req'd by the latter. just kernel. )
1925701;1564505356;mp_en_viaje;why even.
1925702;1564505371;mp_en_viaje;somehow THEY don't think THAT comes with a cover.
1925703;1564505875;asciilifeform;still remains to be seen, what subset can be discarded w/out reading
1925704;1564505894;asciilifeform;(i suspect -- at least 80%. but do not know for fact.)
1925705;1564505959;asciilifeform;may even be that the only practical approach is to discard ~100%~... ( who can meaningfully read 125M of obfuscated-c liquishit ? )
1925706;1564506052;asciilifeform;to [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3440#selection-753.43-763.37][port the kernel to 'M'], asciilifeform ended up having to read pretty good chunk of the arch/mips subtree, and it was comparatively small -- still bucket of sweat.
1925707;1564506088;asciilifeform;not, incidentally, meaningfully documented anywhere (tho no shortage of 'these here are docs, cuz we said!' crapola) -- tho i do not expect this surprises anyone.
1925708;1564506165;mp_en_viaje;myeah
1925709;1564506172;asciilifeform;the sheer magnitude of the bloat, is impressive even vs. microshit's (iirc 'win2k' kernel src weighed ~300M)
1925710;1564506324;asciilifeform;for completeness : 'drivers' subtree weighed 323M ; 'arch' (machine-specifics) : 126M; leaving a 176M (quite evenly spread across remainder) .
1925711;1564506350;asciilifeform;e.g. 29MB of simply include .h crapola .
1925712;1564506402;asciilifeform;28MB of soundcardism (why separate from 'drivers' ?? ask linus...) ; 26MB of ~unreadable 'docs' ; 6M of firmware 'blobs' (recall when linus said 'no blobs' ??)
1925713;1564506411;mp_en_viaje;they gave up.
1925714;1564506411;asciilifeform;3M of build scriptolade alone
1925715;1564506424;asciilifeform;25M of nic driverade
1925716;1564506431;asciilifeform;(again outside of 'drivers' for sumreason)
1925717;1564506442;asciilifeform;and kernel per se (not incl. headers) : ~7.
1925718;1564507053;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-who-are-academics-writing-for-for-whom-are-academics-writing-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Who Are Academics Writing For? (For Whom Are Academics Writing?) Adnotated.
1925719;1564507812;asciilifeform;that kernels is an exact equiv. of http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-arent-two-antipsychotics-better-than-one-the-most-important-article-on-psychiatry-part-3-adnotated/#identifier_2_86297 . and prolly born via exactly analogous process.
1925720;1564507995;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-30#1925677 << The part that amazes me is just how much the retards' handshaking appears unchanged. No strong indications this is distinctly 2019 derping rather than 2014 derping
1925721;1564507995;a111;Logged on 2019-07-30 16:02 mp_en_viaje: more likely a simple http://trilema.com/2018/the-retards-handshake/ failure ; they looked for "https everywhere" or "code of conduct" or whatever and didn't find it ; and reaching to label the situation somehiw
1925722;1564508100;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: why would change ? e.g. frog, croaks same today as 1e6y ago
1925723;1564508190;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: In the cultural space the sounds of the croaks certainly changed. "Compassionate Immigration" to "No Borders" and "Gay Weddings are fine" to "Worship Trannies NOW"
1925724;1564509862;mp_en_viaje;hm.
1925725;1564509938;mp_en_viaje;maybe it's a matter of history, they have the handshakes sorted by year, and they decide who to feel superior to that way, "oh, bro, that tshirt is so 2015"
1925726;1564509949;mp_en_viaje;whereas if there's nothing they recognize, panic.
1925727;1564509982;asciilifeform;hm i distinctly remembered the 'tard handshake' being about the catv incident ! but apparently entirely diff piece
1925728;1564510066;asciilifeform;[http://trilema.com/2016/cat-vorg-adnotated/#comment-119323][found the item] fwiw.
1925729;1564510542;mp_en_viaje;not that different after all.
1925730;1564510617;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in [http://btcbase.org/log/2015-05-21#1141706][tombs of other 'i will clean linux!' folx.]
1925731;1564510617;a111;Logged on 2015-05-21 09:12 gabriel_laddel: CL. Additionally, I want people who have no prior knowledge of computing to develop taste.  Gedankenexperiment: spend 10k USD, purchase stock PCs, preload with something somewhat sane (Actually complete Masamune/bitcoin-assets distro) and distribute to a class of kids "learning to program". IMHO they'll play around with it, do their work and then p
1925732;1564510781;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile in local supply and demand https://www.montevideo.com.uy/Noticias/Mas-de-800-inscritos-para-9-plazas-de-peon-en-obras-de-Ferrocarril-Central-uc725602
1925733;1564510902;BingoBoingo;"Homero Delgado, jefe de la oficina del Ministerio de Trabajo en Durazno, explicó en declaraciones al noticiero Informe Nacional, emitido por Radio Uruguay, que el llamado está dirigido a personas que vivan en un radio de 100 km de la obra, pero eso no impidió que se inscribiera gente proveniente de lugares mucho más lejanos, como Cerro Largo o Soriano. Según informaron desde el Ministerio de Trabajo a Montevideo Portal, a la
1925734;1564510902;BingoBoingo;s 11 de la mañana ya había 1043 inscriptos."
1925735;1564512920;mp_en_viaje;do they get a sammich or what
1925736;1564513094;BingoBoingo;I do believe the 9 lucky peons get sandwiches
1925737;1564515029;mp_en_viaje;a well then
1925738;1564523619;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/07/israelis-enthusiastically-burning-f-35s-stealth-window-with-strikes-now-in-iraq/ << Qntra -- Israelis Enth...ally Burning F-35's Stealth Window With Strikes, Now In Iraq
1925739;1564526729;mp_en_viaje;i even forgot all that 2011 lulz
1925740;1564526829;asciilifeform;via linked lulz, 'Haaretz.com is now inaccessible to visitors using ad blockers' << endemic nonsense, and only possible, afaik, on acct of 'ad blocker' writers taking payola from spammers
1925741;1564527468;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: I can't help by think of the USG/NATO/ETC F-35 dilemma as anything other than the ASIC era drama again
1925742;1564527497;mp_en_viaje;pretty lulzy considering what the shit cost
1925743;1564527618;BingoBoingo;Seriously, amplified by Irael's F-35 purchases being funded directly from their US payola.
1925744;1564527690;BingoBoingo;And the F-35 hole is ~1/3rd of the USG's fall from "Could have bought Russia in 1991" to today
1925745;1564527929;mp_en_viaje;just about huh
1925746;1564528257;BingoBoingo;And everything that distinguishes it from cheaper alternatives is being spent 2017-[2019 or 2021] so Israel can stot by fucking up random warehouses outside of a ware
1925747;1564532684;asciilifeform;imho actually a mistake to think of e.g. f35 as 'product' that 'has a price', as if it were toyota -- what instead is that the parasitic toad at any given time demands x %% of the printolade, and produces/pretends to produce certain # of golden toilets, and x / # is then 'price'
1925748;1564532734;asciilifeform;often enuff (e.g ronnie raygun's 'star wars') there ain't even a physical toilet.
1925749;1564532792;asciilifeform;iirc mp_en_viaje had a piece where illustrated this using 'whore vs. princess wife'
1925750;1564532808;asciilifeform;where the latter 'is to be paid 100% of yer money and in return will do as much or as little as feels like'
1925751;1564532987;asciilifeform;i.e. 'price of f35' is same order of item as 'price' of an individual reluctant fuck from princesswife
1925752;1564533082;asciilifeform;only offers the illusion of being a finite number because of practical limits (denominator aint actually +infinity ; and numerator in practice is rarely 0 , occasionally 'wife' is bored and/or does some 'work' by sheer accident )
1925753;1564533102;asciilifeform;err, numerator/denominator
1925754;1564533206;asciilifeform;re: the limit, where spent->+inf / work->0 -- [http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-21#1026842][see also.] .
1925755;1564533206;a111;Logged on 2015-02-21 04:28 asciilifeform: in j. sladek's 'tik tok', sf novel in '83, in the 'dark future' (tm) an aircraft-carrier-with-wheels, vast and infinitely expensive, is finally built
1925756;1564533289;asciilifeform;already (Officially!) ~90% of f35 costs in 'software' (ball of cpp...)
1925757;1564533530;*;asciilifeform was actually mildly surprised that 'f35' resulted in something resembling a physical machine. fully expected that it would remain 'software' indefinitely.
1925758;1564534889;BingoBoingo;Well, its a product in the way Bitcoin mining FGPA/ASICs were 2011-2013
1925759;1564534915;BingoBoingo;For exactly those reasons. BFL was born sanding plastic caps from cheap surplus FGPAs after all
1925760;1564535030;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: diff is, 'btc miner asic' is -- conceptually -- a thing, that can exist. whereas jet that is somehow 'worth' cost of 300 'prospective opponent's' machines , aint a thing.
1925761;1564535053;asciilifeform;not unless it can teleport and fire death rays at 300 targets simult.
1925762;1564535200;BingoBoingo;You forgot the 'worth' applies to the ASICs too
1925763;1564535218;BingoBoingo;Avalon didn't ship internally dusty machines without reason
1925764;1564535255;asciilifeform;i confess i dun follow the analogy
1925765;1564535337;asciilifeform;tho possibly i get the implication in BingoBoingo's piece, where what utility the thing has, will be spent, 'pushing up difficulty'. but afaik this is entirely incidental to the process that produced the thing, and its predecessors/successors, process that has ~0 to do with utility, prospective or otherwise
1925766;1564535886;BingoBoingo;Well, the higher difficulty goes the more constrained members of the buying group become in how they use the thing. Because Israel is driving up difficulty blowing up random warehouses, whoever might want to use the thing to take out radar sites before "humanely intervening" has to lose more jets.
1925767;1564536101;asciilifeform;afaik is questionable whether item had 'difficulty' in this sense to begin with
1925768;1564536255;BingoBoingo;But as long as 'difficulty' doesn't get tested it can be marketing wanked over. Once operators begin losing airframes, its value goes from marketing bluster to something interns fight over using MS Excel spreadshit comparing it to Brasil's SUper Tucano
1925769;1564536464;asciilifeform;oddly enuff, the 'difficulty gets tested and found laugh' somehow didn't make ~any measurable diff in korea/vietnam (where sov iron flew circles around nato's -- yet somehow the chairmen an' boards of 'lockheed', 'grumman', etc. ~weren't~ shot, nor any detectable similar thing happened )
1925770;1564536843;BingoBoingo;Well, it lead to Gulf War 1 and Tailhook. Those lead to "Joint Strike Fighter"
1925771;1564551454;mp_en_viaje;well, "spear" that worth, literally, cost of 300 opponent spears is a thing
1925772;1564551457;mp_en_viaje;they call it musket
1925773;1564551520;mp_en_viaje;that;s the problem with the plausibly-deniable socialism, the [http://trilema.com/2015/the-triviality-of-slaying-the-surviving-socialist-beast/][third brother] : it's plausibly deniable.
1925774;1564551676;mp_en_viaje;plausible to the plausibility standards of one with paludism-induced dementia, it's true, but still.
1925775;1564553925;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-31#1925747 << certainl by now. but eg f19 was pretty little whore of a plane.
1925776;1564553925;a111;Logged on 2019-07-31 00:24 asciilifeform: imho actually a mistake to think of e.g. f35 as 'product' that 'has a price', as if it were toyota -- what instead is that the parasitic toad at any given time demands x %% of the printolade, and produces/pretends to produce certain # of golden toilets, and x / # is then 'price'
1925777;1564556169;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-31#1925749 <<->> http://trilema.com/2013/the-corn-thing/
1925778;1564556169;a111;Logged on 2019-07-31 00:26 asciilifeform: iirc mp_en_viaje had a piece where illustrated this using 'whore vs. princess wife'
1925779;1564556526;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-31#1925756 << in fairness though, the design of an object with particular refractive properties is necessarily more software than hardware -- it's the ultimate "measure 10mn times cut once" item, for each shape that ends up being built, 10e10 or 10e20 or w/e alternative shapes are investigated, ray-traced...
1925780;1564556526;a111;Logged on 2019-07-31 00:34 asciilifeform: already (Officially!) ~90% of f35 costs in 'software' (ball of cpp...)
1925781;1564556567;mp_en_viaje;the whole thing happens with no fucking guidance, eg if you were trying to "build a woman you'd like" you'd spend SOME time fiddling with the knobs, but you'd broadly know it has to have tits and they're to be big etc. when it comes to "aircraft" you have nfi, maybe it should look like a tv.
1925782;1564556610;mp_en_viaje;f19 item is eminent point in case, ~nobody who saw it thought it could fly. because, objectively, damned thing can not fly, it's so unstable in all three planes it needs a computer just to stay afloat. which, of course, means it needs 4.
1925783;1564556707;mp_en_viaje;even with the computer it was subsonic, unmaneuverable sadness. complete glass cannon, by 1999 even the yugos could down them.
1925784;1564556907;mp_en_viaje;let's just go through this for the sake of being clear and explicit. so, suppose you decided to build a "stealth" plane, meaning : you've found in the archvies of russki radio technologies a piece from the 60s detailing how flat surfaces will scatter radio signal AWAY from the source, and thus in encounters with a single radar, you can design a 10 ton, 100 cubic meter object that looks like a square centimeter piece of duppel, on
1925785;1564556907;mp_en_viaje; the radar.
1925786;1564556962;mp_en_viaje;now, evidently this is useless to multi-radar systems -- but as long as you manage to keep secret what you're doing, so the others don't know how important multi-radaer and passive radar systems are, they'll prplly continue on the mega-radar trend of the 70s (as they did in the 80s) and miss you. for a decade or so.
1925787;1564557044;mp_en_viaje;suppose they give you the money to try this. but you DO know how to calculate observable scatter from point to surface, but... it's not exactly a continuous function (trivially, because your surface is not continuous, you're not flyin ga sphere, and so not integrable, and moreover, you absolutely lack the '''mathematical computer''' that
1925788;1564557075;mp_en_viaje;could take a shape and produce the functionals. that's not even here NOW, in spute of how fucking obviously the right thing it was cca 1989 ie 30 years ago -- all the
1925789;1564557246;mp_en_viaje;"bright minds" / morons involved too busy http://trilema.com/2018/the-symbolics-discussion/ instead, whatever.
1925790;1564557310;mp_en_viaje;so you talk it over with your boss, who doesn't know math which is why he's in charge of you (because he's unlikely to turn fucked in the head like ~everyone who knows math tends to), and you agree five degrees stepping and presumption of contiguity between. because fuck it, gotta decide something. (in reality more complex than this, but what can i do).
1925791;1564557343;mp_en_viaje;now look at it : a circle is 360 degrees, so you'll have to "look at" (ie, run the differentials, calculate scatter) the object 72 times. once every five degees.
1925792;1564557426;mp_en_viaje;and it's a 3-d object, meaning it has 72 such planes going all around. each with 72 such points. so we're at 5k tracings, for ONE single shape, and on a generous presumption of "every 0.09 rads is fine".
1925793;1564557494;mp_en_viaje;if each of these produces a mb of data (and boy howdy, does it! for one thing... there's MULTIPLE radar bands, yes ? each of these scatters differently, because wavelength, and no, also not necessarily continuous function, because diffraction and other "unexpected" [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-04#1884426][facepalm]s)
1925794;1564557494;a111;Logged on 2019-01-04 17:18 mircea_popescu: why the fuck didn't i think of that.
1925795;1564557539;mp_en_viaje;then you're looking at 5 GB of data PER SHAPE. and the year is 1980, meaning 40MB hard drives are cool as fuck, and there's no such thing as SSD (read : they're fucking slow)
1925796;1564557684;mp_en_viaje;isn't it "of fucking course" this is gonna cost way the fuck more than machining a flat surface out of silicon carbide ?
1925797;1564557699;mp_en_viaje;(likbez : "absorbs radar signal" ~= "heats well")
1925798;1564557882;mp_en_viaje;happens to also be the only useful application of [http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-31#1390514][sintering] known, but that aside.
1925799;1564557882;a111;Logged on 2016-01-31 02:07 ascii_rear: BingoBoingo: watch the film at least until where the sintering machine appears
1925800;1564557890;mp_en_viaje;oh look at that, ever-so-useful monkey-man "spellchecker" doesn't approve of sintering. because holy shit, [http://trilema.com/contact-pgp/#comment-130364][psychopaths], using words outside of the outer realms of monkey-man [http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-who-are-academics-writing-for-for-whom-are-academics-writing-adnotated/#footnote_0_86356][knowledges]
1925801;1564560904;mp_en_viaje;fwiw, i've been re-reading the symbolics discussion, still just as fucking stumped on http://trilema.com/2018/the-symbolics-discussion/?b=now,%20why&e=they.#select as ever. a year passing has brought me no clarity.
1925802;1564562125;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-31#1925767 << the only difficulty is that you have to know to build multi-radar pickets rather than mono-radar megaliths. this is where china was going anyway. here's the history of conflict in present day :
1925803;1564562125;a111;Logged on 2019-07-31 01:21 asciilifeform: afaik is questionable whether item had 'difficulty' in this sense to begin with
1925804;1564562171;mp_en_viaje;china became actor in 90s, took strategic decision that weapon of war is now rockets. this happens to be sound ; and it obsoleted the us model entirely, and the russian model partially (exceptionally good jets still useful, if you can provide the pilots -- ru can, cn can not).
1925805;1564562213;mp_en_viaje;in 2000s, cn took 2nd strategic decision, that rockets many-and-tiny, as opposed to large-ish (scud) or huge (icbm). if you've ever played orion, this is equiv of the early "mir-v" revolution there, game changer.
1925806;1564562234;mp_en_viaje;consequently, they covered every available surface in small rocket launchers. that's that, china is atm militarily immune to rest of the world.
1925807;1564562257;mp_en_viaje;but, coincidentally, since they were building 1e5 rocket sites, they decided to also build 1e5 radars. cuz it makes sense, i guess, passibely, whatever.
1925808;1564562305;mp_en_viaje;this obsoletes "stealth" technology, because you can lie to a few people all the time but not to all the people all the time. there's no way to scatter radiation so that none of ~uknown-position~ 1e5 radars sees it. and with modern telecom and computing, it's trivial to link these so any can detect scatter from any.
1925809;1564562333;mp_en_viaje;this means a race to the bottom, everyone who paid for stealth wants to get as much value from it right now before it's worthless completely.
1925810;1564562455;mp_en_viaje;but it is intrinsically worthless, because it is ~actually cheaper~ to build radars such as "stealth" dun work than it is to build radars so it does work. and "stealth" comes at huge production (discussed above) and aerodynamic cost (alluded to above). so that's that for this idea.
1925811;1564562553;mp_en_viaje;the thing with cn-style rocket is that they're 100% defensive mechanism ; this fundamentally changes the rules of the game, reverting the situation (previously, tank, 100% assault mechanism, revolutionized the previous situation, fortification, 100% defensive, etc)
1925812;1564562627;mp_en_viaje;the integration trends, with "international order" and usg ngos "based on brain-kellog pact" bla bla will revert ; disintegration ("ghettoization" in butthurt fanfic) is the new trend ; this had been culturally visible for a while, but it took a sharp civilisational turn with this military development.
1925813;1564562701;mp_en_viaje;usg-can-not-win-in-afghanistan will spell a "new era for peace" like the "japan can not defend homeland" spelled "new era for peace" : a different kind of peace ; one that involves the trade in recently captured 16yo precious cuntlets and all the fantastic stories of seafaring in the castle age.
1925814;1564562959;mp_en_viaje;and yes, like bourgeois of old paid to be in town, because have to upkeep walls, there's going to be "real man", who lives in rocket-defended perimeter ; and freeranged animal, outside. a trend already visible ~irrespective~ of the actual military evolution, described eg by mocky in quatar, by BingoBoingo in uruguay etc. walled compound is artefact of same cultural trend as here discussed ; and it arises prior to and independent
1925815;1564562959;mp_en_viaje;of the civilisational trend represented by above military discussion.
1925816;1564563129;mp_en_viaje;people, once again, happened to have to do just what they seem to have been wanting to do anyway ; if this doesn't meet your criteria for [http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759568][benevolent divinity], then byoe.
1925817;1564563129;a111;Logged on 2017-12-28 14:27 mircea_popescu: there is no, strictly speaking, reason that iron MUST be provided on the surface of a planet just like the earth. it ~could~, very well, have simply gone through a place poor in planetoids and ended up entirely iron free on the surface. but it did not.
1925818;1564563175;mp_en_viaje;bitcoin, amusingly, supports just this ; is as much and as large a chunk as rocketry.
1925819;1564563337;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-31#1925770 << rather, led to perestroika, which did provide a breather (making the f19 possible, only time us shone in the air)
1925820;1564563337;a111;Logged on 2019-07-31 01:34 BingoBoingo: Well, it lead to Gulf War 1 and Tailhook. Those lead to "Joint Strike Fighter"
1925821;1564563424;mp_en_viaje;but it seems, amusingly enough, this was reverted -- the new ru planes quite good (and the old ones [http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-28#1459045][still serviceable])
1925822;1564563424;a111;Logged on 2016-04-28 16:43 mircea_popescu: shinohai it should perhaps be added that a decade ago, when romania was fresh in nato etc, there was a joint exercise, with romania being designated the bad guy because they flew migs.
1925823;1564581348;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-31#1925772 << sorta the promise of wunderwaffe pushers errywhere, neh. 'this'll be our maxim mg against them heathen's spears'
1925824;1564581348;a111;Logged on 2019-07-31 05:37 mp_en_viaje: they call it musket
1925825;1564581451;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-31#1925779 << iirc the moola was spent on the onboard soft. but i have nfi what relation this rumour has to fact.
1925826;1564581451;a111;Logged on 2019-07-31 07:02 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-31#1925756 << in fairness though, the design of an object with particular refractive properties is necessarily more software than hardware -- it's the ultimate "measure 10mn times cut once" item, for each shape that ends up being built, 10e10 or 10e20 or w/e alternative shapes are investigated, ray-traced...
1925827;1564581585;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-31#1925801 << imho pretty straightforward case of two idjit children who couldn't agree to share a toy, pulling it apart until breaks.
1925828;1564581585;a111;Logged on 2019-07-31 08:15 mp_en_viaje: fwiw, i've been re-reading the symbolics discussion, still just as fucking stumped on http://trilema.com/2018/the-symbolics-discussion/?b=now,%20why&e=they.#select as ever. a year passing has brought me no clarity.
1925829;1564581721;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-31#1925809 << recall mussolini's 'get as much value from it right now before it's worthless completely' of ww1 gas in ethiopia ? i suspect this is exactly today's 'stealth'
1925830;1564581721;a111;Logged on 2019-07-31 08:38 mp_en_viaje: this means a race to the bottom, everyone who paid for stealth wants to get as much value from it right now before it's worthless completely.
1925831;1564581988;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-31#1925798 << there are sintered parts even in toyota. quite old tech by nao.
1925832;1564581988;a111;Logged on 2019-07-31 07:24 mp_en_viaje: happens to also be the only useful application of [http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-31#1390514][sintering] known, but that aside.
1925833;1564582361;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-31#1925808 << on top of this : at some pt (if not already) the passive radar itself will fit inside cheap flying 'toy', of which there will be 'swarm' , rather than ye olde multi-kW sovok item on trucks etc.
1925834;1564582361;a111;Logged on 2019-07-31 08:38 mp_en_viaje: this obsoletes "stealth" technology, because you can lie to a few people all the time but not to all the people all the time. there's no way to scatter radiation so that none of ~uknown-position~ 1e5 radars sees it. and with modern telecom and computing, it's trivial to link these so any can detect scatter from any.
1925835;1564583392;feedbot;http://ave1.org/2019/lisp-a-question-about-concatenation-step-4/ << ave1 -- Lisp, a question about concatenation, step #4
1925836;1564588286;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-31#1925819 << Gulf War and Tailhook though were the impetus for the F-35 "Joint Strike Fighter" with a window free from fearing foreign men, the old women were able to push through a "one true plane" that excels at nothing.
1925837;1564588286;a111;Logged on 2019-07-31 08:55 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-31#1925770 << rather, led to perestroika, which did provide a breather (making the f19 possible, only time us shone in the air)
1925838;1564588373;BingoBoingo;But yes, F-19 came with perestroika helping Gulf War happen
1925839;1564588548;BingoBoingo;Along the way carrier based Joint Strike fighter F-18E/F "Fat Hornet" was ready in time to face goat herds in 2001 and cripple Iraq in 2003
1925840;1564588941;BingoBoingo;Then there's russia going all in on the air defense missiles. It's not the truck with 4 launch tubes in the press photos the US dun like. It's that the S-400 is a group of trucks, 1/3 of which have the big tubes and which coordinate together for a substantial radar picket
1925841;1564592383;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-31#1925823 << yup, absolutely. the infuriating part is that this is actually true ~sometimes~, and it's extremely hard to distinguish when it'll be the case.
1925842;1564592383;a111;Logged on 2019-07-31 13:55 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-31#1925772 << sorta the promise of wunderwaffe pushers errywhere, neh. 'this'll be our maxim mg against them heathen's spears'
1925843;1564592455;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-31#1925827 << except it's not two agents, but more like three to five, and they behave like children in spite of being this current civilisation's specific heroes (id est, older men with knowledge). it's like if there was ru folk tale of "then the three ilya muromets fought each other like morons while potato blight took over the land"
1925844;1564592455;a111;Logged on 2019-07-31 13:59 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-31#1925801 << imho pretty straightforward case of two idjit children who couldn't agree to share a toy, pulling it apart until breaks.
1925845;1564592590;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-31#1925829 << precisely ; and, to add dimensions to the comparison, exactly equal dying pretense to greatness in both cases etc.
1925846;1564592590;a111;Logged on 2019-07-31 14:02 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-31#1925809 << recall mussolini's 'get as much value from it right now before it's worthless completely' of ww1 gas in ethiopia ? i suspect this is exactly today's 'stealth'
1925847;1564592979;mp_en_viaje;"It was not only born in my mind and heart, in that meeting  held in March 1919 in the little hall at Milan, it was born of the profound and perennial need of this our Mediterranean "
1925848;1564593334;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-31#1925836 << this is quite factual ; the old women in this are mccain, [trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-are-antipsychotics-overprescribed-to-kids-adnotated/][grassley] etc.
1925849;1564593334;a111;Logged on 2019-07-31 15:51 BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-31#1925819 << Gulf War and Tailhook though were the impetus for the F-35 "Joint Strike Fighter" with a window free from fearing foreign men, the old women were able to push through a "one true plane" that excels at nothing.
1925850;1564593926;mp_en_viaje;obama didn't do this bondogle ; pelosi was derpy but moderate and in general silent, clinton was rather supportive of better solution. the old women responsible are very much the (nowadays mostly imaginary) non-trump republicans
1925851;1564594183;BingoBoingo;AHA, up until Clintons got out, things like stretched F-22 based light bomber were under consideration. All fell to the one true plane. Then McCain fell. Wat do?
1925852;1564594292;BingoBoingo;Obama did contribute at the margins by ending production of the F-22 which is very similar to the F-35 except that the 22 was designed to succeed as a plane without compromises because plane has to be designed to accomodate derps that want to plane from helicopter carriers
1925853;1564594384;mp_en_viaje;when you get to be the top man you get to be deemed to have "contribute at the margins" of ~everything, it's kinda what the definition of the term is in integrated world.
1925854;1564594566;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile in local news, this Sunday is a pre-referendum on an October referendum to repeal the soon to be outgoing government's recent "lay trans"
1925855;1564594628;BingoBoingo;The derps are derping about a piece of paper from this spring as though it is some alfajor like establihed part of the culture.
1925856;1564594699;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-31#1925843 << must point out, this portrait is only visible in retrospect. the playing characters themselves were evidently quite convinced that they were fighting over a future mega-fortune, rather than bread crust
1925857;1564594699;a111;Logged on 2019-07-31 17:00 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-31#1925827 << except it's not two agents, but more like three to five, and they behave like children in spite of being this current civilisation's specific heroes (id est, older men with knowledge). it's like if there was ru folk tale of "then the three ilya muromets fought each other like morons while potato blight took over the land"
1925858;1564594872;mp_en_viaje;hm
1925859;1564594883;asciilifeform;and in light of e.g. http://trilema.com/2015/you-know-what-gets-no-airplay-unflattering-truth/ it aint even obvious to asciilifeform that 'hey they clearly oughta have all gone with noftsker'
1925860;1564594895;mp_en_viaje;nor to me.
1925861;1564595009;asciilifeform;( from strictly archaeological pov -- noftsker's bolix, with borrowed moneys, lived ~decade longer than lmi, and produced substantially moar interesting & intact ruins, but this is perhaps orthogonal to the orig q )
1925862;1564595293;mp_en_viaje;i believe it is, yes.
1925863;1564595417;asciilifeform;mushroom rms's narrative is , granted, nonsense, where 'bolix sold soul to devil, lmi -- not sold'. both sold to devil, 2 diff devils. lmi's gambit was 'we'll self-fund by hand-soldering machines to sell back to mit'
1925864;1564595604;asciilifeform;it is entirely unclear to asciilifeform what either 'oughta have done instead', other than 'go home to bottle'. whole affair walked on the very edge of the technological possibility of the time -- and arguably stepped right over the edge of what was commercially practical
1925865;1564595886;asciilifeform;the 1 commercial variant that was defo nowhere near being on the table, was 'consumer'. when a MB of dram cost ~same as truck, there was no question that any such machine could be purchased by anyone other than large org. the only dispute could be re what kinda org sold to, and how.
1925866;1564596944;ave1;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-31#1925807, I did not know. Whole thread is the by far the best analysis I've read.
1925867;1564596944;a111;Logged on 2019-07-31 08:37 mp_en_viaje: but, coincidentally, since they were building 1e5 rocket sites, they decided to also build 1e5 radars. cuz it makes sense, i guess, passibely, whatever.
1925868;1564597030;ave1;Btw would same stealth go for ships? It seems to me a dimension less. (Not that the littoral can float)
1925869;1564599996;BingoBoingo;ave1: Ships are slow and mostly useful for how much they can emit in radar and missiles
1925870;1564600177;BingoBoingo;China's building destoryers by the 50 while playing with a second hand aircraft carrier
1925871;1564604698;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/07/extreme-police-violence-brought-down-on-woman-accused-of-hacking-capital-one/ << Qntra -- Extreme Police Violence Brought Down On Woman Accused Of Hacking "Capital One"
1925872;1564604751;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: s/plays/playing
1925873;1564604769;BingoBoingo;ty, fxd
1925874;1564605181;feedbot;http://bingology.net/2019/07/31/peso-watch-july-2019/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Peso Watch July 2019
1925875;1564605229;BingoBoingo;^ Big news is the Peso Argentino. from 0.55/1.15 to 0.70/1.00 in compra/venta
1925876;1564605414;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: [http://www.loper-os.org/pub/zoya.jpg][oblig. illust. re 'capital one' chix from era of prev. reich].
1925877;1564617020;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-31#1925864 << all the men involved should have banded together, pointedly and specifically denied monkeys any cover.
1925878;1564617020;a111;Logged on 2019-07-31 17:53 asciilifeform: it is entirely unclear to asciilifeform what either 'oughta have done instead', other than 'go home to bottle'. whole affair walked on the very edge of the technological possibility of the time -- and arguably stepped right over the edge of what was commercially practical
1925879;1564617039;mp_en_viaje;in terms exactly equivalent to "you are monkeys, not men, drop dead"
1925880;1564617089;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: where, in your analysis, was the man, and where -- the monkey ?
1925881;1564617127;mp_en_viaje;this is moral obligation of man, not merely "mp is being [http://trilema.com/2019/no-such-labs-snsa-statement-on-q2-2019/#comment-129495][vindictive]" or w/e the pantsuit bullshit. man has moral obligation, unavoidable and indelible, to repress monkey.
1925882;1564617137;mp_en_viaje;man who works with monkey is unavoidable living in state of sin
1925883;1564617167;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, it's your analysis. monkey === mit ; etc. man, supposedly, at lmi, bolix, etc.
1925884;1564617241;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-31#1925866 << yes, kinda what the republic is. "best analysis anyone ever reads"
1925885;1564617241;a111;Logged on 2019-07-31 18:15 ave1: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-31#1925807, I did not know. Whole thread is the by far the best analysis I've read.
1925886;1564617332;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-31#1925868 << out of the question, such a thing as "stealth ship". friction is 5th power of speed, 3rd power of density, a ship can never move fast enough to ever be stealth.
1925887;1564617332;a111;Logged on 2019-07-31 18:17 ave1: Btw would same stealth go for ships? It seems to me a dimension less. (Not that the littoral can float)
1925888;1564617367;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: what even is the meaning of 'stealth ship' given satellite, cheap networked sonobuoys, etc ?
1925889;1564617373;mp_en_viaje;ikr,
1925890;1564617398;mp_en_viaje;some specific improvements are available where, eg, ship is not more than 20cm over surface, so the waves provide some protection from skimming missile
1925891;1564617410;mp_en_viaje;but these are tiny tactical improvements, do not add up to stealth.
1925892;1564617435;asciilifeform;'20cm' is moar or less sub at periscope depth neh
1925893;1564617442;mp_en_viaje;just about.
1925894;1564617463;mp_en_viaje;also some amphi transporters etc.