1916459;1559348177;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/06/qntra-s-qntr-may-2019-report/ << Qntra -- Qntra (S.QNTR) May 2019 Report
1916460;1559348688;mod6;Good evening, Lords and Ladies.  Here's this month's Foundation Address, http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2019-June/000331.html
1916461;1559351541;feedbot;http://bingology.net/2019/06/01/three-godzillas-or-the-inadequacy-of-professional-critics/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Three Godzillas Or The Inadequacy Of Professional Critics
1916462;1559351653;*;asciilifeform proofreading 18c, forfuxxsake, finally.
1916463;1559351744;BingoBoingo;Title fixed on latest post to read "Three Godzillas Or The Inadequackecy Of Professional Critics"
1916464;1559355144;feedbot;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3386 << Loper OS -- Finite Field Arithmetic. Chapter 18C: Peh School: Generation of Cryptographic Primes.
1916465;1559355158;asciilifeform;^ achtung, panzers !
1916466;1559355295;*;asciilifeform bbl:meats
1916467;1559360906;asciilifeform;the likbez tapes given in 18c will be rolled into vpatch of ch19.
1916468;1559360955;asciilifeform;( will live in a 'demos' subdir . )
1916469;1559360983;asciilifeform;questions, nitpicks, iron timings, welcome.
1916470;1559383731;mircea_popescu;nicoleci http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/VNsVD/?raw=true
1916471;1559388851;mircea_popescu;hmm, so since i'm building a gaming station... what's the republican notions for gfx-heavy os ?
1916472;1559388856;mircea_popescu;latest gentoo ? or /
1916473;1559390200;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what do you think of as 'gfx-heavy' ?
1916474;1559390439;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-01#1916464 << updated with fixed typo and with link to diana_coman's illustrated ch1-4 guide, originally missing
1916475;1559390439;a111;Logged on 2019-06-01 02:12 feedbot: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3386 << Loper OS -- Finite Field Arithmetic. Chapter 18C: Peh School: Generation of Cryptographic Primes.
1916476;1559390744;asciilifeform;if i omitted anyone else's ffaisms, plox to lemme know. ( PeterL: your item will be in 19 )
1916477;1559390946;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: thinking re 'gfx-heavy' : might be interesting to try the recent years' opensores nvidia driver. (supposedly it actually worx.) perhaps send a pet to set it up.
1916478;1559390991;asciilifeform;asciilifeform has not had chance to try this any time recently, and afaik no one in l1 reported such an experiment.
1916479;1559391062;asciilifeform;oughta be doable on any linuxism with relatively recent (3+) kernel, iirc. incl. the cuntoo draft.
1916480;1559391380;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, ima ul some pics yo uget an idea
1916481;1559392452;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, http://trilema.com/2019/further-unboxings-continuatory-motorcycle/
1916482;1559392460;*;asciilifeform looks..
1916483;1559392488;asciilifeform;lol i have 1 of these in a recently-sewn box
1916484;1559392497;asciilifeform;i think exactly same brand even
1916485;1559392521;mircea_popescu;so what do you run it on ?
1916486;1559392548;asciilifeform;asciilifeform's old gentoo with evil kmod turd from nv, currently
1916487;1559392557;asciilifeform;it's a cad box
1916488;1559392634;asciilifeform;i'd stuff that thing in a chassis of some kind btw. else it's only matter of time till you elbow it and snap the card edge imho
1916489;1559392658;asciilifeform;that 1070 is heavy bugger
1916490;1559392658;mircea_popescu;o yes, it's in a chassis now.
1916491;1559392661;asciilifeform;a.
1916492;1559392676;mircea_popescu;innit tho ? lifting the motherboard with it i had this distinct impression it's gonna snap right under it
1916493;1559392681;asciilifeform;aha!
1916494;1559392684;mircea_popescu;took it off, put motherboard in screws first, then added it again
1916495;1559392686;asciilifeform;hedgehog mass
1916496;1559392724;mircea_popescu;but i can't fucking run old gentoo on it. for one thing, what games even run on old gentoo ?
1916497;1559392732;mircea_popescu;shit, actually -- what games even are ?!
1916498;1559392752;asciilifeform;supposedly ye olde 'wine' has 3dism naodays
1916499;1559392758;asciilifeform;but i confess, not tried
1916500;1559392788;asciilifeform;( naturally winblows will eat the 1070, but i dun imagine mircea_popescu was asking 'which winblows to get' lol )
1916501;1559392820;mircea_popescu;notryl tbh
1916502;1559392843;mircea_popescu;last i looked into this, cca 2004, linux was JUST about to eat windows' lunch
1916503;1559392857;mircea_popescu;then i did other things, and i come back 15 years later to discover -- "linux, wut, where you been granpa"
1916504;1559392863;asciilifeform;at any rate 1070 drives e.g. newfangled 3840x2160 lcd, a+++
1916505;1559392864;mircea_popescu;fucking unpleasant.
1916506;1559392887;asciilifeform;( even eats 4 of'em w/out skipping a beat )
1916507;1559392911;mircea_popescu;nice huh ?
1916508;1559392922;mircea_popescu;i don't mind the hardware -- i just wish to know what software anyone knows of.
1916509;1559392938;mircea_popescu;so far "get a modern gentoo" seems the only (if vague) option ?
1916510;1559392960;asciilifeform;'modern' as in kern 3+ is really all
1916511;1559392979;mircea_popescu;what's gentoo even use ? gtk ?
1916512;1559393008;asciilifeform;lol why gtk. e.g. asciilifeform has plain old x, cum 'ratpoison'
1916513;1559393029;asciilifeform;presumably you didn't buy the card to draw transparent backgrounds in shells with lol
1916514;1559393035;mircea_popescu;and what games do you run on it ?
1916515;1559393041;asciilifeform;none
1916516;1559393046;mircea_popescu;well then ?
1916517;1559393056;asciilifeform;tho supposedly 'valve' has linux gamez
1916518;1559393079;*;asciilifeform has not gamed much in recent times; not since embarking on multiyr maffs grind
1916519;1559393140;asciilifeform;as i understand mircea_popescu's own eulora knows what to do with 3d card tho ( can't picture why would need whole 1070 however , for such )
1916520;1559393170;mircea_popescu;i wanted to try the outside world
1916521;1559393198;asciilifeform;afaik this mostly means microshit
1916522;1559393221;asciilifeform;( w7, if one must, eats 1070, with some fiddling )
1916523;1559393262;mircea_popescu;or else https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2019/05/24/ubuntu-19-10-nvidia-proprietary-gpu-driver-iso-linux/  i guess ?
1916524;1559393314;asciilifeform;aha, what i had on mine. ( not ubuntu, naturally, but vendor's binturd installer actually does shit forth a loadable kmod , and goes on conventional gentoos for so long as k 3+ )
1916525;1559393349;mircea_popescu;anyone tried the mint thing /
1916526;1559393349;asciilifeform;then anyffin that talks to openglism-under-x worx.
1916527;1559393355;mircea_popescu;!#s linux mint
1916528;1559393356;a111;20 results for "linux mint", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=linux%20mint
1916529;1559393386;*;asciilifeform has not, never felt compelled to use oddball bindist linuxen just because sewn box with 3dcard
1916530;1559393394;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, i'd much rather dump a package deal than baby this box. i figure the grand or so it cost ain't worth an hour of my time
1916531;1559393402;mircea_popescu;and it already took about half that ordering an' puttign together
1916532;1559393430;asciilifeform;generally i have a use thought up for box before arising off arse to sew one , lol
1916533;1559393431;mircea_popescu;a wait. linux mint === ubuntu.
1916534;1559393441;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/further-unboxings-continuatory-motorcycle/ << Trilema -- Further unboxings (continuatory motorcycle)
1916535;1559393447;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, i DO have a use for the box. "find out how the other half lives"
1916536;1559393465;asciilifeform;sounds like it's condemned to eat w7 then
1916537;1559393472;asciilifeform;unless you're 'valve' aficionado
1916538;1559393483;mircea_popescu;"zorin os", "an Ubuntu-based, highly polished Linux distribution, entirely made for Windows refugees."
1916539;1559393487;mircea_popescu;holy shit what.
1916540;1559393498;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, what's w7 ?
1916541;1559393499;asciilifeform;( there is nominally a 'steam for linux' . asciilifeform not tested. )
1916542;1559393507;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: microshit's , i meant
1916543;1559393527;mircea_popescu;i was gonna go for steam but then they took off bitcoin. so meh.
1916544;1559393553;asciilifeform;they were all a++ on warez last i knew.
1916545;1559393628;asciilifeform;( the last 1 i personally touched was 'portal' )
1916546;1559393646;mircea_popescu;"Manjaro Linux comes in XFCE, KDE, Gnome, Cinnamon and a host of more desktop environments. Do check out the official website." lawds mercy
1916547;1559393672;mircea_popescu;is valve an os by now btw ?
1916548;1559393690;asciilifeform;they have some sorta nintendobox iirc, with handsewn linux
1916549;1559393702;asciilifeform;but afaik not a pc-style os, no
1916550;1559393747;mircea_popescu;all these game platform people are fucked in the head for not making their own serials-filed os.
1916551;1559393755;asciilifeform;( asciilifeform's brother slaved for 'valve' for a spell, but it's been some yrs since this )
1916552;1559393755;diana_coman;now I'm rather curious if mircea_popescu finds any "other half" re games, lol
1916553;1559393775;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, ikr
1916554;1559393795;*;asciilifeform liked 'portal', but it aint exactly 'recent'
1916555;1559393869;asciilifeform;in 'portal', a chix walks around with a sort of blaster that opens wormholes b/w any two targets. 3distic puzzler thing.
1916556;1559393870;mircea_popescu;amusingly, a "great" (according to all  the slobbering kiddies) gaming comp can be had for what a slut trip takes per day. notwithstanding the suddenly looming question of whether there's even anything to do with it once you get it.
1916557;1559393890;asciilifeform;indeed it can, i dun think this is surprise to anyone
1916558;1559393893;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, i tend to play things like heroes, diablo, fallout etc.
1916559;1559393907;asciilifeform;about 1k dubloons gets you all the game warez box anyone might want
1916560;1559393915;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, when i was a kid, a top notch gaming comp was like a year's labour.
1916561;1559393928;asciilifeform;i recall this time.
1916562;1559393962;mircea_popescu;https://store.steampowered.com/steamos << apparently they made a debian 8 flavour
1916563;1559393997;asciilifeform;the irons cheapened, but game people lost the spark of life, very little made these days that eats 3d card other than infinite variations on tired old shooter theme
1916564;1559394097;mircea_popescu;well, apparently i could auto-install steamos on it.
1916565;1559394103;asciilifeform;oh ha
1916566;1559394144;diana_coman;out of curiosity I went and checked "requirements" for "no man's sky" (I keep hearing of it, possibly because it's made a few km away from my location): ps2 or windows 7; and the game will take up around 10GB of storage, lolz.
1916567;1559394144;asciilifeform;i saw one vaguely original thing coupla yrs ago, iirc was 'far cry' -- very ornately graphixy thing set in... stone age. ( twist : character is able to tame animals and lead a sort of army )
1916568;1559394174;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i saw . decent 'elite' variant
1916569;1559394180;asciilifeform;iirc
1916570;1559394250;asciilifeform;diana_coman: naodays aint even uncommon to see game eat 50-100GB !
1916571;1559394253;mircea_popescu;so basically, if i install steamos, then i can pay eg [https://store.steampowered.com/app/593600/PixARK/?snr=1_tags_4__103][35 eur] to play sme random title.
1916572;1559394257;asciilifeform;( textures! )
1916573;1559394321;mircea_popescu;not a bad racket, 1k to build box + 2-5k/mo to buy virtual cartridges.
1916574;1559394329;mircea_popescu;i ain't fucking doing this.
1916575;1559394334;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in principle. ( this is where asciilifeform confesses that he has never in entire life eaten game other than from warez... )
1916576;1559394391;mircea_popescu;i generally pay whatever, 20-50 bux / mo for a game i'm actually playing, on the theory that the fucks who made it, let them eat.
1916577;1559394399;asciilifeform;i , also, never had appetite for ' blow k/mo on virtual cartridge' heh
1916578;1559394427;mircea_popescu;but i will not consider this upfront sorta nonsense.
1916579;1559394438;mircea_popescu;you wanna get paid, bill net30 or some shit wtf is this.
1916580;1559394446;asciilifeform;is why god made warez aha
1916581;1559394468;mircea_popescu;List of 15 Best Linux Games For 2018 1. Battle for Wesnoth
1916582;1559394468;mircea_popescu;best-linux-games-battleforwesnoth
1916583;1559394473;mircea_popescu;holy shit kill me now.
1916584;1559394483;asciilifeform;hey at least it aint 'xpenguin' !111
1916585;1559394501;asciilifeform;( or 'freeciv' )
1916586;1559394520;asciilifeform;i knew a d00d who almost flunked school from overindulging in 'freeciv', shit thee not
1916587;1559394539;mircea_popescu;hmmm... The Dark Mod (apparently thief remake) may be interesting
1916588;1559394572;*;asciilifeform will eagerly read mircea_popescu's review if he tries this or similar
1916589;1559394595;asciilifeform;i liked the old 'thief'
1916590;1559394620;mircea_popescu;aha
1916591;1559394624;asciilifeform;played on last serious gamez box i had. w/ ye olde 'voodoo II' card
1916592;1559394649;asciilifeform;was esp. great on 'hard', where you gotta leave the guards alive
1916593;1559394703;mircea_popescu;aha
1916594;1559394709;mircea_popescu;blackjack ftw
1916595;1559394716;asciilifeform;aha!
1916596;1559394732;asciilifeform;a troo gem imho.
1916597;1559396832;mircea_popescu;the logic behind http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-01#1916530 if it wasn't self obvious : secure box and gaming box are exactly opposite design constraints. computer games (as a distinct and opposite category to eulora) are by definition code that'll run on your box without your having run it. if you're going to do that ANYWAY, might as well save your time.
1916598;1559396832;a111;Logged on 2019-06-01 12:49 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i'd much rather dump a package deal than baby this box. i figure the grand or so it cost ain't worth an hour of my time
1916599;1559396851;mircea_popescu;without your having read* it.
1916600;1559396882;asciilifeform;aint nuffin wrong with 'gamez box' if one observes elementary kitchen-toilet separation, aha
1916601;1559396897;*;asciilifeform fwiw has moar 'toilets' than 'kitchens', so happens
1916602;1559396923;mircea_popescu;a game being, definitionally, "i don't want to KNOW what it does, i want to DISCOVER what it does"
1916603;1559396966;asciilifeform;pretty good def, imho
1916604;1559410501;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in heathen lullies, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/SzRGZ/?raw=true
1916605;1559410835;asciilifeform;^ apropos of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-21#1914829 thrd.
1916606;1559410835;a111;Logged on 2019-05-21 22:32 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, indeed. showed up at bdsm meet, heplfully showed us his dong. whole shebang starts with http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Arobwhiz
1916607;1559411094;diana_coman;lolz
1916608;1559412323;BingoBoingo;lolololololol
1916609;1559412486;mircea_popescu;lolz
1916610;1559413038;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile in the US war machine: "“I seem to be getting inundated with black female officers who are being disciplined for dumb stuff,” says Coretta Gray, who spent 13 years as an officer in the Air Force Judge Advocate General’s Corps, the military’s branch for military justice and military law, and continues to consult on cases."
1916611;1559413913;mircea_popescu;shouldn't have hired dumb black females
1916612;1559414190;BingoBoingo;Anyways, at this rate US activists complaints are likely as useful as active intelligence gathering to foreign analysts.
1916613;1559414519;mircea_popescu;eh, us army is ~social security anyways. not like it's a military in any sense.
1916614;1559414539;mircea_popescu;janissary corps.
1916615;1559415398;BingoBoingo;I thought janissaries were somewhat effective in the field
1916616;1559415556;mircea_popescu;not during the last century or so
1916617;1559415609;BingoBoingo;Could be this last century hasn't had Janissaries. Just social security in disguise.
1916618;1559415642;mircea_popescu;afaik army ~= trucking. same demo.
1916619;1559415658;BingoBoingo;Was, was the same demo.
1916620;1559415683;mircea_popescu;right, now truckers all serbs and army all mammie
1916621;1559415925;asciilifeform;hrm, feedbot down ?
1916622;1559415938;asciilifeform;guess i gotta manually
1916623;1559415947;asciilifeform;[http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3413][“Finite Field Arithmetic.” Chapter 19: Peh Tuning and Demo Tapes.]
1916624;1559415966;asciilifeform;!Q later tell phf plox to snarf ch19, ty.
1916625;1559415966;lobbesbot;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1916626;1559416450;*;asciilifeform bbl:teatime
1916627;1559430231;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in continuation of [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-01#1916604][earlier lulz] : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ZwuQt/?raw=true
1916628;1559430231;a111;Logged on 2019-06-01 17:35 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in heathen lullies, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/SzRGZ/?raw=true
1916629;1559430797;BingoBoingo;Holy fucksticks the hamster in that one
1916630;1559430820;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: fella's either barkin' mad, or feigning (why, dunno)
1916631;1559430996;BingoBoingo;If feigning could be a hail mary attempt to get some indemnity for earlier idiocy
1916632;1559431033;asciilifeform;not clear why he'd give a damn. ( seems like his 'exciting biznisproposal for you!1111' days are past... )
1916633;1559431438;nicoleci;hes insane and wont stop emailing me
1916634;1559431454;asciilifeform;lol!!
1916635;1559431458;asciilifeform;nicoleci: post'em
1916636;1559431517;nicoleci;asciilifeform, lol alright
1916637;1559431580;nicoleci;he was weird in person but this is something else
1916638;1559431591;BingoBoingo;Can't hurt to blog the guilty
1916639;1559431610;BingoBoingo;Is he still on an electric airplane kick?
1916640;1559431684;nicoleci;true, as long as it stops
1916641;1559431714;nicoleci;lol he didnt mention it, he was mostly being asked to leave the room though
1916642;1559431765;BingoBoingo;electric airplanes were his kink when he first showed up as "ninjashogun"
1916643;1559431797;nicoleci;lol!
1916644;1559431845;nicoleci;the last email i glanced at he mentioned me being part of the international police
1916645;1559431853;BingoBoingo;Dude wanted ~infinite money to finance "tesla of aviation", solar powered electric airplanes. Never mind the lack of utility or range
1916646;1559431896;BingoBoingo;<nicoleci> the last email i glanced at he mentioned me being part of the international police << Through your affiliation with the Republic you are an international authority figure of the sort the uninitiated may call police.
1916647;1559431906;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: iirc he had a diff crackpottery for each. i never got the airplane 1.
1916648;1559431942;asciilifeform;( the 1 i got, was [http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ninjashogun.txt][this] )
1916649;1559431952;nicoleci;lmao, i wouldnt trust that guy to put together a model airplane
1916650;1559431957;asciilifeform;iirc ben_vulpes got sumthing to do with dirigibles.
1916651;1559432074;BingoBoingo;nicoleci: Anyways, consider how many public hangings your master has conducted. Ask him for wisdom and permission to do the hanging.
1916652;1559432178;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: imho madness alone is not necessarily a barrier to productive work. nao if only fella would do sumthing constructive with that energy..
1916653;1559432190;asciilifeform;like, e.g. terry davis
1916654;1559432233;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The pattern of how he exercises his whatever seems to necessarily cut him out of anything.
1916655;1559432296;asciilifeform;i wouldn't put him to make paper airplane, sure. but let'im write an os in asm or sumsuch for 20yrs before eats a train.
1916656;1559432330;asciilifeform;fwiw davis [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=256][actually achieved something]
1916657;1559432335;nicoleci;BingoBoingo, thats the plan.
1916658;1559432400;asciilifeform;d00d is clearly stuck in wrong half of globe tho. in usa a certified schizo gets a gov pension ( as described by tlp ) and for that matter davis lived on one
1916659;1559432489;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Not necessarily. The would-be schizo pensions turned into a sorta ghetto foodstamp supplement as described by tlp.
1916660;1559432503;asciilifeform;iirc the occasional genuine barmy still gets it
1916661;1559432520;BingoBoingo;For the same of keeping pretense
1916662;1559432535;asciilifeform;ever since reagan closed the asylums
1916663;1559432572;BingoBoingo;Same reason SV social media wankers will ban all sorts of folks, but they'll keep David Duke and other approved opposition
1916664;1559432638;asciilifeform;( i actually knew a fella who tried to check into an asylum, on own steam. the latter still exist, but they keep patient for a week, jack'em up with 9000 meds, and let go. to get 'full program' generally you gotta kill somebody )
1916665;1559433082;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: re 'solar airplane' -- 1 was built in '80s, it hangs in the national museum. not particularly useful other than for 'guiness record' tho afaik.
1916666;1559433102;asciilifeform;just barely carried pilot and parachute iirc.
1916667;1559433129;asciilifeform;gigantic plastic sheet.
1916668;1559433216;asciilifeform;possibly with current-day lithium battery, could be slightly smaller. but still not sure why subj is perennial crackpot interest.
1916669;1559433510;*;asciilifeform bbl:teatime
1916670;1559443818;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo, so listen, re your last invoice: May 2019: 1 BTC = 5319 USD << da fuck is this then!
1916671;1559443839;mircea_popescu;i don't specifically care about a few bitcents or a few hundy, but by the time we're talking of
1916672;1559443874;mircea_popescu;!Qcalc .665 * (8700-5300)
1916673;1559443875;lobbesbot;mircea_popescu: 2261
1916674;1559443889;mircea_popescu;i start caring eventually.
1916675;1559443969;mircea_popescu;suppose you folk re-invoice me for something more like .4 ?
1916676;1559444245;mircea_popescu;not to even mention how one server of a (iirc, identical ?) pair goes for 0.0396 while the other apparently 0.0578. even using your own prices : item 1 paid yearly in april 2018 then comes to... o wait, can't use your own numbers, start in june 2018only. but anyway, april 2018 was ~5k.
1916677;1559444267;mircea_popescu;!Qcalc 0.4752 * 5000 / 12
1916678;1559444267;lobbesbot;mircea_popescu: 198
1916679;1559444293;mircea_popescu;!Qcalc 0.0578 * 5318
1916680;1559444293;lobbesbot;mircea_popescu: 307.3804
1916681;1559444367;mircea_popescu;ima pay the 8-11 set of invoices for good time's sake, but gimme a break, if it's monthly it gotta track SOMETHING ? they're all the same amt.
1916682;1559444536;mircea_popescu;!!invoice asciilifeform 0.285 as per http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-30#1916294
1916683;1559444536;a111;Logged on 2019-05-30 19:20 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: got it, worx. plox to deedbot-invoice asciilifeform (i'ma have to refill the piggy before i can fill it tho).
1916684;1559444543;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/5zVVx/?raw=true
1916685;1559445616;mircea_popescu;in other news, check this shit out : http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/18.04/
1916686;1559445620;mircea_popescu;systemz ?!
1916687;1559445685;mircea_popescu;https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/04/System_z_Frames.JPG << don't they look fucken sad ? like abandoned cola machines
1916688;1559445734;mircea_popescu;by a window in the wing nobody visits of a nebraska mall.
1916689;1559445875;mircea_popescu;https://help.ubuntu.com/18.04/installation-guide/amd64/install.en.txt << this 64999 word ubuntu manual is totally worth preserving.
1916690;1559446009;mircea_popescu;A.1.3. Booting from network
1916691;1559446009;mircea_popescu;It's also possible to boot the Ubuntu installer completely from the net. The
1916692;1559446009;mircea_popescu;various methods to netboot depend on your architecture and netboot setup. The
1916693;1559446009;mircea_popescu;files in netboot/ can be used to netboot the Ubuntu installer.
1916694;1559446009;mircea_popescu;The easiest thing to set up is probably PXE netbooting. Untar the file netboot/
1916695;1559446009;mircea_popescu;pxeboot.tar.gz into /srv/tftp or wherever is appropriate for your tftp server.
1916696;1559446011;mircea_popescu;Set up your DHCP server to pass filename pxelinux.0 to clients, and with luck
1916697;1559446013;mircea_popescu;everything will just work. For detailed instructions, see Section 4.5,
1916698;1559446015;mircea_popescu;"Preparing Files for TFTP Net Booting".
1916699;1559446065;mircea_popescu;oh look at that, fixed lines on top of everything. butofcoars.
1916700;1559447017;mircea_popescu;all joking aside : the best answer i could produce for the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-01#1916471 question stands as "choose between steamos and ubuntu", which in plain terms is "do you wish to make your computer a supernintendo and buy [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=752][virtual] cartridges for it ? or would you rather make your computer a mobile phone ?"
1916701;1559447017;a111;Logged on 2019-06-01 11:34 mircea_popescu: hmm, so since i'm building a gaming station... what's the republican notions for gfx-heavy os ?
1916702;1559447103;mircea_popescu;i choose the later, because... here's the problem : there's no because, properly speaking. "oh, hurr durr i want to own my games" wtf does this mean in a net context ? yes, i still have and still play homm2 / mm6 / gothic / whatever. but how the fuck are you going to meaningfully save a multiplayer game ? should  they send me the server too ?
1916703;1559447150;mircea_popescu;there's no fucking difference. i expect to pay ~something~ because i don't expect anybody can just photosynthesize games into existence.
1916704;1559447365;mircea_popescu;i would like, of course, to have a say in how that money is spent, so that i don't end up paying 99% on ever-greater-pixelcount textures and support for 4k px wide monitors and other such http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-20#1843222 joys. but... wide franchise amirite, you know going in idiocy's gonna rule all things around you.
1916705;1559447365;a111;Logged on 2018-08-20 21:01 asciilifeform: lulzily i documented this in the past , in http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-03#1260586 , http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-15#1406177
1916706;1559447423;mircea_popescu;but you can't expect game makers to solve problems fucking "our democracy" altogether hasn't managed to even verbalize or conceptualize, let alone even take the first steps towards solving.
1916707;1559447515;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> ima pay the 8-11 set of invoices for good time's sake, but gimme a break, if it's monthly it gotta track SOMETHING ? they're all the same amt. << The log I based the one server off of starts here http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-24#1785933 and the other starts here http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-25#1837621 I am more than happy to work something less ambiguous than those two stretches of log out.
1916708;1559447515;a111;Logged on 2018-02-24 18:39 ben_vulpes: i can give you a pretty steep discount for paying the year up front, but because i'm building out the downline i want to keep the box on the balance sheet. how about a 20% markup on the machine if you pay for the whole year?
1916709;1559447515;a111;Logged on 2018-07-25 02:38 mircea_popescu: mod6 go ahead an' invoice. i recall now seeing something like this b4 but no invoice either.
1916710;1559447535;mircea_popescu;so as a factual matter, i expect ima pay something, and i expect it'll be entirely meaningless. in which case, da fuck do i care whether it's a mobile phone and you "[http://trilema.com/2017/what-are-you-being-distracted-from/#selection-61.0-137.2][own the games]" or a nintendo and you "own the cartridges" except... well, you know, you virtually own them.
1916711;1559447606;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo, alright, so let me know.
1916712;1559447820;mircea_popescu;anyways, so having unsubstantiably chosen to make the box a phone, now we gotta pick a ubuntu. leaving aside the "manuals" and "with luck everything will just work" lulzies ("Achieve your AI ambitions quickly, reliably and cost-effectively. Multi-cloud operations for the full enterprise AI stack "), the choice comes between
1916713;1559447829;mircea_popescu;Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS (LTS stands for long-term support — which means five years, until April 2023, of free security and maintenance updates, guaranteed.) and Ubuntu 19.04 (comes with nine months, until January 2020, of security and maintenance updates.)
1916714;1559447857;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: ty, I'll hit the math a bit, sleep a bit, and propose something tomorrow that is a more sustainable way to price machines going forward than doing a bunch of log archaeology evey machine.
1916715;1559447875;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo, sounds good.
1916716;1559447907;mircea_popescu;what the fuck sense does this make is anyone's fucking guess. why the fuck would you ever review the os on a box ?! this is the fucking definition of the os in the first place -- that part of software that DOESN'T need to change. it hugs the hardware and is changed with the fucking hardware.
1916717;1559447940;mircea_popescu;the name for software that changes with the user's pubic hairdo fashions is USERLAND. why the fuck am i... o look at that, there's 1.9 GB to download! the OS!!!! is two gigs.
1916718;1559447970;mircea_popescu;and of fucking course it's coming down a trickle pipe, so it was a 10 hour download when it started, half hour ago, then moved to 15 hours as i started ranting, and by now it's claiming to be done in 35 hours.
1916719;1559447977;mircea_popescu;who the fuck ever heard of such nonsense ?!
1916720;1559447997;mircea_popescu;o look... 42 hours.
1916721;1559448001;mircea_popescu;bosh.
1916722;1559448012;BingoBoingo;Well they stretch the OS out to everyone else's userland and further stretch the user out to which particular eye candy photo gallery they want to include. Welcome to Africa.
1916723;1559448175;mircea_popescu;served by evowise.com for some reason, which is a "" and also [https://www.evowise.com/six-games-playing-this-summer][SIX GAMES WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT PLAYING THIS SUMMER]. because "Our team works hard, but also plays hard. Be it at the office for a break or at home, we enjoy going on adventures to look for powerful artifacts, fight with tribes and unravelling a futuristic New York landscape. 2016 is a very exciting year for
1916724;1559448175;mircea_popescu; the gaming industry with blablabla.
1916725;1559448229;mircea_popescu;oh, i'm sory, evowise is not a "", really it's a "Leading by Innovation". seriously : "About EvoWise EvoWise connects consumers and products in the digital space. We continually innovate to produce groundbreaking technologies to reinvent the way brands advertise.We deliver online customers to fortune 500 companies through our proprietary multi-channel technology platform. "
1916726;1559448266;mircea_popescu;all this with a list of news and events from 2016. that time before ~everyone with a brain left, there was one good week cca april, they even had an office lan party.
1916727;1559448270;mircea_popescu;schmucks.
1916728;1559448376;mircea_popescu;oh, in other news : https://www.scamner.com/check/loper-os.org " Browsing and buying in this website is not recommended."
1916729;1559449233;mircea_popescu;https://www.scamner.com/check/scamner.com << even better. ALSO not recommended. roflmao.
1916730;1559451198;mircea_popescu;in other arcana, https://pastebin.com/KbjJpSDK " THE INNOVATION GHETTO BY THE BAY"
1916731;1559451205;mircea_popescu;was this gabriel laddel then ?
1916732;1559451417;mircea_popescu;incidentally, the original mocker of "change, as long as nothing changes" would be... [http://archive.is/81z1H#selection-3831.1755-3831.2003][my prophet].
1916733;1559451780;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in delicious nonsense, https://pastebin.com/h5HxRWa9 ; moneyshot : "A thought we had a few weeks ago during one of our low-low mood phases, that perhaps it isn't worth pursuing bodily separation since we all already know each so well and can basically form new sentient agents in this brain on a whim, with a second's effort; namely, that if any one of separated into a new brain or some other medium of mind, that a
1916734;1559451781;mircea_popescu;t this point we might be fractal – might inevitably reinstantiate everyone else wherever any one of us goes – and would be back to square one, or worse with some copies having bodies they want and others being reinstantiations in bodies they don't particularly want"
1916735;1559451802;mircea_popescu;misfortunate pantsuit, can't escape unfairness even in purely hallucinated masturbatory fantasy.
1916736;1559453912;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in make the 1990s great again, https://i.imgur.com/TWFEaoV.jpg
1916737;1559455287;mircea_popescu;https://pastebin.com/raw/N9v7gVfZ << this shit is too lulzy to not preserve ; last 5 lines totally make it.
1916738;1559456164;mircea_popescu;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigster in continuing lulz ; 20mn in 2017 should by now be just about in the place where they explain why "first time investor"/retired athlete dies broke.
1916739;1559456878;mircea_popescu;(in similar news : https://www.doordash.com/ just "closed" a 600mn series g on a 12bn implied valuation. cuz a low margin business with no custom can totally be worth billions, just let usjew layers & accountants [http://trilema.com/2011/bun-si-mie-ce-imi-iese-la-faza-asta/#selection-71.298-79.1][work it].)
1916740;1559457334;mircea_popescu;and the final item in today's lengthy list of "how the other half lives" : "Hunters.AI generates and delivers actionable visualized attack [http://archive.is/M5eek#selection-1541.326-1541.333][stories]". nuff said.
1916741;1559457445;mircea_popescu;https://hunters.ai/company/ << lulz of all fucking time, the timeline of decay.
1916742;1559457670;mircea_popescu;(for a ready bridge with the [http://qntra.net/2019/05/huawei-document-deliveries-from-japan-via-fedex-routed-through-us-ieee-professional-association-cuts-ties-with-huawei-affiliated-persons-and-more/][huawei lulz] : [http://archive.is/HzABq#selection-561.0-561.26][Brig. Gen. Ehud Schneerson].)
1916743;1559460785;diana_coman;what pops out to me from all those "other half" is the ...wooden tongue in there; different wooden perhaps than realizari marete but just as wooden as far as I can tell.
1916744;1559471859;mircea_popescu;ayup. this is what happens when people stop seeking new customers.
1916745;1559471914;mircea_popescu;if they're not talking, it therefore follows they're praying.
1916746;1559471931;mircea_popescu;i'm up to here with prayer, sick an' fucking tired.
1916747;1559472217;mircea_popescu;!#seen brendafdez
1916748;1559472217;a111;2015-03-25 <brendafdez> mircea_popescu it works now. Anyway the IP I'm on now is one of a public AP, it shouldnt be whitelisted. I'll later give you my home IP, and BingoBoingo has my VPS IP already. I didn't know you were filtering.
1916749;1559472439;mircea_popescu;oh oh now i remember, we had entire spanish-lang qntra support at some point.
1916750;1559472509;mircea_popescu;in other 2015, http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-29#1115975
1916751;1559472509;a111;Logged on 2015-04-29 16:24 mod6: asciilifeform: I'm just trying to put together the monthy address; In one to three sentences cna you help me summarize what is going on with glibc/libnss?
1916752;1559472706;mircea_popescu;aaand speaking of "women in tech", http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-25#1110582 http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-25#1110573 http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-25#1110651 and so on.
1916753;1559472706;a111;Logged on 2015-04-25 19:55 ben_vulpes: !rate pinkposixpxe 1 lent a hand with some bash.
1916754;1559472706;a111;Logged on 2015-04-25 19:53 ben_vulpes: !rate moiety 1 rip
1916755;1559472706;a111;Logged on 2015-04-25 20:04 ben_vulpes: !rate chetty 2 engineer of the world that was.
1916756;1559472764;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-31#1080260 << this question still stand asciilifeform ?
1916757;1559472764;a111;Logged on 2015-03-31 02:23 asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> ... brendafdez -1 Highly intelligent and utterly self-destructive << wai wat, was this in-channel? iirc this person simply vanished into thin air without so much as a squeak
1916758;1559477130;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-02#1916745 - this actually sounds to me remarkably on point, thank you! (and it further explains to me just why I find the wooden tongue SO annoying; because yes, prayer.)
1916759;1559477130;a111;Logged on 2019-06-02 10:38 mircea_popescu: if they're not talking, it therefore follows they're praying.
1916760;1559478361;mircea_popescu;aha!
1916761;1559481074;mircea_popescu;also, https://i.imgur.com/p6yUhdL.jpg
1916762;1559481310;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, the best part imo is where their verbiage ends up self-parodic. from the idf.8200's thinly veiled "private corp" webpage : 2000s : Preventing the threat (Blocking hackers from accessing organizational networks) --> 2010s Detecting the threat (Scanning networks for known vulnerabilities identified by previous breaches) --> 2019 Autonomous hunting (Intercept sophisticated attacks with proactive and continuous th
1916763;1559481310;mircea_popescu;reat hunting)
1916764;1559481360;mircea_popescu;leaving aside how they didn't even have the fucking decency to 2020, they're that mememe narcissistic -- so it goes from killing to chasing to jacking off ? such progress redolent of decay!
1916765;1559481910;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-02#1916729 << a++ 3ln perlism
1916766;1559481910;a111;Logged on 2019-06-02 04:20 mircea_popescu: https://www.scamner.com/check/scamner.com << even better. ALSO not recommended. roflmao.
1916767;1559481989;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-02#1916702 << interestingly, aficionados do in fact regularly 'bottle' a multiplayer game. ( reverse-engineered server proggy ) .
1916768;1559481989;a111;Logged on 2019-06-02 03:45 mircea_popescu: i choose the later, because... here's the problem : there's no because, properly speaking. "oh, hurr durr i want to own my games" wtf does this mean in a net context ? yes, i still have and still play homm2 / mm6 / gothic / whatever. but how the fuck are you going to meaningfully save a multiplayer game ? should  they send me the server too ?
1916769;1559482010;asciilifeform;or, at any rate, re-baked by hand
1916770;1559482019;mircea_popescu;for slightly more effort than'd have been required to outright write it.
1916771;1559482042;mircea_popescu;if i'm gonna field that sort of workforce, ima just make them make a new one.
1916772;1559482071;asciilifeform;afaik was done for games where role of server is mechanically simple ( passing bits b/w players )
1916773;1559482089;mircea_popescu;(of course, that sorta workforce can't be fielded, because gabriel_ladel, adlai, brendafdez etcetera type reasons ; meanwhile the sorta workforce that can be fielded, well... they're the office drone, wanna pray and future_
1916774;1559482113;diana_coman;well, the "progress" from olive oil to sunflower oil to soya oil and so on; quite similar there too, indeed.
1916775;1559482149;asciilifeform;the 'dark seekrit' is that almost always makes 9000x moar sense to write new proggy than 'repair' old.
1916776;1559482156;mircea_popescu;quite.
1916777;1559482171;mircea_popescu;o look at this BingoBoingo : http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-19#1024573 << PICHING!!! i didn't notice it backl then...
1916778;1559482171;a111;Logged on 2015-02-19 11:50 brendafdez: Last time was also Pete from Coindesk, he interviewed all the poeple claiming to run 'exchanges' here. There are a huge numer of such 'exchanges', most of which don't even exist like coinmelon (refered to by mp as coinmuon bc of the sign at the doorbell). Then there's Latincoin, which is also there athe 'embassy' and also doesn't even exist and is only piching to 'investors' to get money with no product. Last time they were asking for $7
1916779;1559482192;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-02#1916731 << just about certainly him
1916780;1559482192;a111;Logged on 2019-06-02 04:53 mircea_popescu: was this gabriel laddel then ?
1916781;1559482198;mircea_popescu;aha.
1916782;1559482247;mircea_popescu;sadwomen aka "empowered modern career woman" being the result of male withdrawal and neglect exactly in the same manner ourdemocracy is the result of smart people just checking out of reality altogether.
1916783;1559482248;diana_coman;re "repair code" /me looks at planeshift...
1916784;1559482269;asciilifeform;diana_coman: the 3d lib ?
1916785;1559482271;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, in fairness, you're termiting it, ie, replacing by parts.
1916786;1559482277;mircea_popescu;rather than actually repairing the mess.
1916787;1559482298;diana_coman;asciilifeform: planeshift is the open source game ; crystal space is the graphics engine aka 3d lib
1916788;1559482320;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, 3d lib is cal3d ; there's a more general lib atop it (crystal space, cs). then there's yet another one on top of that. they follow the same 2000-2010-2019 "progression"
1916789;1559482328;diana_coman;ah, yes; cal3d too.
1916790;1559482340;asciilifeform;incidentally, apropos of gamez thread, there was very interesting french msdos item, 'little big adventure', that blew asciilifeform's mind, had 2010s-style graphic on 40mhz 486. ( how ? clever gourad system, and pile of asm i suspect )
1916791;1559482348;asciilifeform;aa.
1916792;1559482359;mircea_popescu;i played that!
1916793;1559482366;asciilifeform;sequel was also a++ imho
1916794;1559482395;mircea_popescu;was like 95 game yeah. way ahead of its pack
1916795;1559482423;asciilifeform;there were some first class folx hand-massaging 3d and sewing jawdropping silk purses from sow ears in '90s.
1916796;1559482428;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: that's true, replacing it by parts indeed; not sure it's possible to do much any other way either.
1916797;1559482474;mircea_popescu;myeah
1916798;1559482509;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, this is the problem, every generation has a small set of actual human beings, with functioning brains. and the current set's mostly fighting their tulpas.
1916799;1559482583;asciilifeform;old man newton also spent 90+% of his cycles fighting devils iirc.
1916800;1559482622;asciilifeform;not exactly new problem.
1916801;1559482622;mircea_popescu;yes, but the problem with the intervening centuries is that the barrier to achievement rose. what newton could usefully do could be accomplished in weeklong stretches ; which is how he did manage, 5-6 weeks / year, to produce something.
1916802;1559482644;mircea_popescu;what gabriel ladel or the rest could accomplish requires 6-18 month stretches. they do not get those.
1916803;1559482663;mircea_popescu;it's one thing for habitual drunk to be sober six days ; it's quite another for him to manage forty weeks.
1916804;1559482671;mircea_popescu;CONSECUTIVE weeks.
1916805;1559482672;asciilifeform;speaking of which, 'Smart drugs, so long as they're not Benzedrine and don't you dare mention that Paul Erdős lived to 83, that Norbert Wiener pioneered cybernetics, that the mother of all demos was done by an LSD aficionado...'
1916806;1559482681;mircea_popescu;butofcourse.
1916807;1559482693;asciilifeform;poor g_l eventually found his coveted dope. where are the theorems!1111
1916808;1559482774;asciilifeform;fella inescapably reminds me of that 'darwin award' winner who welded jet engine to old rusty 'ford'.
1916809;1559482828;asciilifeform;'Independence, so long as it's sea steading (i.e., not going to happpen)' << whatever happened to that batch of nutters ?
1916810;1559482873;mircea_popescu;and speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-18#1023388 : * Now talking on #bitcoin-argentina
1916811;1559482873;a111;Logged on 2015-02-18 12:32 brendafdez: ;;later tell mircea_popescu You're squatting the channel ;) http://pastebin.com/YNqdarX7 I could be running some shady business there instead...
1916812;1559482873;mircea_popescu;* *** Notice -- TS for #bitcoin-argentina changed from 1559482823 to 1405209446
1916813;1559482895;mircea_popescu;!Qcalc (1559482823 -1405209446)/3600/24
1916814;1559482895;lobbesbot;mircea_popescu: 1785.57149306
1916815;1559482903;asciilifeform;fwiw i still suspect that if g_l had stayed out of sv, could've lived. the 'folie a deux' nutter culture is deadlier than any known dope.
1916816;1559482916;mircea_popescu;1785 days since chanserv saw anyone there. this'd be... EXACTLY the interval.
1916817;1559482952;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, the only way out is the "dude, i know you're too fucking stupid to understand WHY you have to obey, but obey nevertheless". which, sadly, is indistinguishable from their pov from the common socialist state.
1916818;1559482956;mircea_popescu;so they're stuck, alone.
1916819;1559482969;asciilifeform;reminds me, apparently asciilifeform is still admin of a 'argentine bdsm' group (empty) in reddit. i dun even recall how this happened.
1916820;1559482975;mircea_popescu;and if 80 of the 100 or so ever alive at one point are lost to that delusion, things like the monkey empire can exist.
1916821;1559483096;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they're stuck in mental equiv. of 'sokoban' level with all the crates parked in corners.
1916822;1559483160;asciilifeform;'Interest in Operating Systems, so long as you don't think about the big picture[0] and notice that the inability to mechanically walk a graph, detect and resolve cycles[1] is indicative of a complete and utter failure of all involved parties' << notbad , even, summary.
1916823;1559483207;asciilifeform;d00d clearly had spark of life, imho, at some point.
1916824;1559483289;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-02#1916737 << where, incidentally, didja dig up this horror ?
1916825;1559483289;a111;Logged on 2019-06-02 06:01 mircea_popescu: https://pastebin.com/raw/N9v7gVfZ << this shit is too lulzy to not preserve ; last 5 lines totally make it.
1916826;1559483334;asciilifeform;pretty good illustration, btw, of them corners.
1916827;1559483477;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-02#1916756 << not only settled this q , but iirc since then we had [http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1535626][coupla moar examples of same pathology]
1916828;1559483477;a111;Logged on 2019-06-02 10:52 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-31#1080260 << this question still stand asciilifeform ?
1916829;1559483477;a111;Logged on 2016-09-07 02:41 alice_: i'm alice. i haven't interacted with this channel before. but i don't imagine that's the answer you're hoping for
1916830;1559483583;asciilifeform;iirc mircea_popescu had a piece, where described. there's people walking around with the meat equiv. of a box with hosed boot partition, and generally 'reformat' of meat is enuff of a laborious proposition that not worth the reqd effort
1916831;1559483950;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-02#1916805 << btw , speaking of wiener, asciilifeform has an unfinished mega-piece on subj sitting on hdd for years nao. ( summary -- wiener's 'cybernetics' has ~0 to do with computation of whatever kind, and is exactly the 1950s equiv. of today's 'bayesianisms' etc. and when the crackpottery was , correctly, laughed at in su, actual computers were being built;
1916832;1559483950;a111;Logged on 2019-06-02 13:37 asciilifeform: speaking of which, 'Smart drugs, so long as they're not Benzedrine and don't you dare mention that Paul Erdős lived to 83, that Norbert Wiener pioneered cybernetics, that the mother of all demos was done by an LSD aficionado...'
1916833;1559483992;asciilifeform;. whereas when reintroduced, 'cybernetics institutes' were built, and ate good % of budget w/out ~anything~ but mountain of derrida-style crapola to show for it. eventually ending in the 'pdp betrayal' and final death of computing as a field in sovokistan. )
1916834;1559484132;asciilifeform;there is sucha thing as an infectious idiocy. i.e. concept that does to thinking what hg does to aluminum.
1916835;1559485466;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-02#1916826 << ~same process that squeezed fetlife, just you know, applied in general
1916836;1559485466;a111;Logged on 2019-06-02 13:48 asciilifeform: pretty good illustration, btw, of them corners.
1916837;1559485483;mircea_popescu;sorry, that was re "where"
1916838;1559485578;mircea_popescu; http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-02#1916831 << should prolly polish and publish one of these days.
1916839;1559485578;a111;Logged on 2019-06-02 13:59 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-02#1916805 << btw , speaking of wiener, asciilifeform has an unfinished mega-piece on subj sitting on hdd for years nao. ( summary -- wiener's 'cybernetics' has ~0 to do with computation of whatever kind, and is exactly the 1950s equiv. of today's 'bayesianisms' etc. and when the crackpottery was , correctly, laughed at in su, actual computers were being built;
1916840;1559485583;mircea_popescu;you know, in your spare time.
1916841;1559485745;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, https://i.imgur.com/TmQSw3n.png
1916842;1559485840;mircea_popescu;and in ongoing other-half lulzsaga : ubuntu installer dies, drops to busybox ash because initramfs can't find a live filesystem
1916843;1559487234;mircea_popescu;in other barbarian news : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/O61LS/?raw=true
1916844;1559487269;mircea_popescu;good thing #ubuntu has >1k users tho. it'd get boring if the same exact names logged on and off all the time.
1916845;1559487278;mircea_popescu;hervariety!
1916846;1559488681;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in axe handles : https://www.nacion.com/el-pais/politica/reglamentos-de-u-publicas-favorecen-impunidad-de/EU7UKPEBNVEO3O6A6GMB3ESB5U/story/ and https://www.nacion.com/tecnologia/moviles/huawei-costa-rica-llama-a-la-calma-y-asegura-que/6HPX5FUCEFEBRBZISBNOBPL6OA/story/ and https://www.nacion.com/blogs/de-viaje-con-jairo/nuevo-requisito-para-visa-de-estados-unidos-ticos/PEKBSUFLOJAE3KW34TA2FEJZHY/story/
1916847;1559488915;mircea_popescu;ie "Behaviours such as sending messages with sexual content to a student or proferring macho comments in class go unpunished in the public universities [of Costa Rica] because of the weakness of administrative sanctions imposed by the rules on sexual aggression" ; "Huawei Costa Rica calls for calm and assures all its products can be used without concern. They assure the smartphones and tables already sold and those to be s
1916848;1559488915;mircea_popescu;old, can be used as well as always" ; "Since thursday the visa rules for ticos were changed by Donald Trump so as to require the social media platforms they use (without password)".
1916849;1559488921;mircea_popescu;self-colonisation ftw!
1916850;1559490610;mircea_popescu;remarkable just how useless computers are these days. so first, i chugged in 2gb of ubuntu. the moment it came up it wanted to get a further 450mb of "updates". then it turns out ~every game out there has pretty much outsourced its distribution (and, i suspect, debugging, such as it is) to steam (with a minor gog presence as well). so you gotta install steam. that's only 50mb or so, but a third layer by now.
1916851;1559490625;mircea_popescu;and then of course the moment you actually try to install a game, steam needs at least 2-300mb of further updates.
1916852;1559490647;mircea_popescu;but at least this deeply foss process is asking me for my password every 5 minutes, so how bad can it be.
1916853;1559490703;mircea_popescu;if my net didn't churn 1 gb / minute i dunno wtf i'd be doing here. or rather... i do know.
1916854;1559493845;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-02#1916777 << Lol, all these years later and folks are still Pichi-NG
1916855;1559493845;a111;Logged on 2019-06-02 13:29 mircea_popescu: o look at this BingoBoingo : http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-19#1024573 << PICHING!!! i didn't notice it backl then...
1916856;1559494343;mircea_popescu;you know ?
1916857;1559494623;BingoBoingo;Anyways, the Spanish language qntra was set up and proceeded to receive nothing from the very enthusiastic F-dez
1916858;1559495095;*;BingoBoingo doing statement archaeology
1916859;1559495128;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile in Pantsuit artifiacts found in the wild, trying to stack bills the Clinton way: https://i.redd.it/uxs7kznf3v131.png
1916860;1559495191;BingoBoingo;The very concerned about the poor Frente Amplista wants 300 USD a head to speak for her own campaign.
1916861;1559495265;BingoBoingo;At the same time the Blancos and other opposition parties are doing the thing where they take street corners and don't sell tickets
1916862;1559503091;*;BingoBoingo emerges from the archaeology.
1916863;1559503144;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: The base price for 1 year of hosting is 1700.40 USD (12 months * 141.70 USD)
1916864;1559503144;BingoBoingo;The book prices recorded in the statements for the machines diverges wildly as shown in the April 2018 statement http://pizarroisp.net/2018/05/04/pizarro-statement-april-2018/#selection-1117.0-1205.3 (in the prior March 2018 statement the book value of the first box in Uruguay is recorded as 0.23423972)
1916865;1559503144;BingoBoingo;On one box ben_vulpes sold a sort of [http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-24#1785933][harware replacement plan for 20% over the box's book cost]. On the other box which was billed monthly, [http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-25#1837614][some math unclear math was done] and for the lack of a longer term arrangement the billing remained pegged at 0.0578066 BTC.
1916866;1559503144;a111;Logged on 2018-02-24 18:39 ben_vulpes: i can give you a pretty steep discount for paying the year up front, but because i'm building out the downline i want to keep the box on the balance sheet. how about a 20% markup on the machine if you pay for the whole year?
1916867;1559503144;a111;Logged on 2018-07-25 02:29 mod6: mircea_popescu, diana_coman : Ben and I worked out a prorated amount for UY3 for the month of July.  It comes to a total of 19 days, which will amount to: 0.03542985
1916868;1559503146;BingoBoingo;In order to break the present state of sin and approach [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-02#1916675][the proposed, more reasonable figure], going forward my inclination is to have box rental priced to recover 90% of their book cost over the first year's rents and in following years track 50% per annum as a longevity discount.
1916869;1559503146;a111;Logged on 2019-06-02 02:52 mircea_popescu: suppose you folk re-invoice me for something more like .4 ?
1916870;1559503150;BingoBoingo;In this case since we have identical boxes and divergent prices on the book of 0.23423972 and 0.4 without a USD base price recorded in the statements, I am inclined to take the lower price and round it up to 0.235 to resolve the discrepancy and continue with the pricing exercise.
1916871;1559503154;BingoBoingo;1700.40 USD @ 5319 USD/BTC = 0.319684151 BTC + 0.1175 BTC (0.235/2) = 0.437184151 BTC for a year of hosting on each box. This would carry the production server to April 18th 2020 and the test server would carry it to June 1st 2020. The two invoices would total 0.874368302 BTC, and the next invoicing on the boxes would be staggered one month apart.
1916872;1559503161;BingoBoingo;In the interest of simplifying things and because you are Mircea Popescu, I am inclined to kick the total down to 0.85 split it over two invoices of 0.425 for each of the two machines and have them both run through June 1st 2020 offering a small percentage discount and roughly a month and a half of time on the production box free.
1916873;1559503165;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Let me know what you think of this proposal.
1916874;1559503184;BingoBoingo;Feedback and suggested changes are very welcome
1916875;1559503278;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform and mod6 are invited to review as well
1916876;1559514894;feedbot;http://bimbo.club/2019/06/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-march-april-and-may-1715-part-ii/ << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of March, April and May, 1715 - Part II.
1916877;1559515076;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/06/amazon-moving-into-built-in-market-with-their-spyware-google-drama-shows-voice-computing-largely-human-powered/ << Qntra -- Amazon Moving Into "Built In" Market With Their Spyware, Google Drama Shows "Voice Computing" Largely Human Powered
1916878;1559525718;PeterL;hi there, I made a small vpatch for MP-WP, because the text selection was not working: http://peterl.xyz/2019/06/vpatch-for-text-selection-fix/
1916879;1559525718;lobbesbot;PeterL: Sent 2 weeks, 3 days, 5 hours, and 18 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> I'm not versed enough in javascript to be certain. The difference below 24c24 could be something.
1916880;1559525719;lobbesbot;PeterL: Sent 2 weeks, 0 days, 23 hours, and 7 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2032&cpage=1#comment-19792
1916881;1559562432;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-02#1916860 << usually just disguised campaign donations, "i didn't give $$$ to party, i bought ticket". very popular dnc strategy in the us, since the 70s at the least.
1916882;1559562432;a111;Logged on 2019-06-02 17:06 BingoBoingo: The very concerned about the poor Frente Amplista wants 300 USD a head to speak for her own campaign.
1916883;1559562493;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-02#1916870 << you gotta talk to asciilifeform  too.
1916884;1559562493;a111;Logged on 2019-06-02 19:19 BingoBoingo: In this case since we have identical boxes and divergent prices on the book of 0.23423972 and 0.4 without a USD base price recorded in the statements, I am inclined to take the lower price and round it up to 0.235 to resolve the discrepancy and continue with the pricing exercise.
1916885;1559562586;mircea_popescu;i'm not trying to eat your lunch here, you should be paid a fair amount  ; but note you that "sin" was ongoing for as long as i didn't say anything ? this is just not how things can possibly work.
1916886;1559571156;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo : i can't think of any objection, identical irons , leased over identical interval, oughta cost same
1916887;1559571176;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: plox to look again and be sure they were indeed identical tho
1916888;1559571196;asciilifeform;( as i understand , boxes in question were dulap & smg ? )
1916889;1559571659;*;asciilifeform digs though log, but still not certain which 2 boxes were spoken of. if indeed these 2, then price is diff, cuz dulap is a colo box, owned by snsa, whereas smg is leased box
1916890;1559574598;asciilifeform;grr frustrating. BingoBoingo mircea_popescu when either of you wakes up, plox to say which 2 boxes it were.
1916891;1559577779;mircea_popescu;oh that's right isn't it ?
1916892;1559578212;asciilifeform;!!up pehbot
1916893;1559578212;deedbot;pehbot voiced for 30 minutes.
1916894;1559578254;asciilifeform;!A V_[Peh Ver: ]#
1916895;1559578254;pehbot;asciilifeform: Peh Ver: 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000FA
1916896;1559578265;asciilifeform;^ in other noose, pehbot updated to ch19
1916897;1559578293;asciilifeform;( it still, grr, won't stay up moar than 3-4 wks in 1 go tho, i'ma have to patch it when trinque publishes his reconnectism patch )
1916898;1559578308;asciilifeform;!A V[FFA Ver: ]#
1916899;1559578308;pehbot;asciilifeform: FFA Ver: 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000FD
1916900;1559578476;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: These are both rental boxes for S.MG. One is the production machine. The other leased monthly (formerly cold spare) for diana_coman to do testing and such.
1916901;1559578503;BingoBoingo;Will take a peak today for one more once over on the boxes.
1916902;1559578564;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 1 of them is the dulap spare, and [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-01#1910519][goes for colo rate]
1916903;1559578564;a111;Logged on 2019-05-01 19:28 asciilifeform: it is actually the snsa spare , BingoBoingo and asciilifeform were leasing it out to hanbot at colo rate , with mp's permission.
1916904;1559578575;asciilifeform;the other is a piz box and leased at the lease rate.
1916905;1559578587;asciilifeform;the colo rate is the cheaper.
1916906;1559578622;asciilifeform;this being said, BingoBoingo plox to make sure mircea_popescu is getting the correct price based on the current conversion factor.
1916907;1559578720;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-01#1916627][weird hungarian d00d] lulz, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/BZnL8/?raw=true
1916908;1559578720;a111;Logged on 2019-06-01 23:03 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in continuation of [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-01#1916604][earlier lulz] : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ZwuQt/?raw=true
1916909;1559578728;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The dulap spare was yet another monthly, that one strictly billed as a colo, which hanbot played with cuntoo and then the subscription was canceled when that experiment was aborted. The S.NSA spare is cold at present.
1916910;1559578743;asciilifeform;a
1916911;1559578766;asciilifeform;then we're talking about the s.mg spare. which is a piz box and then oughta be priced entirely == to the primary smg.
1916912;1559578889;BingoBoingo;Dulap's year is coming up soon http://pizarroisp.net/pizarro-records/#selection-83.1615-83.2338 but much simpler math (colo base rate of 141.7*monthstorenew)
1916913;1559578952;asciilifeform;for that also. but also gotta make sure the monthly folx get the correct price.
1916914;1559579375;BingoBoingo;I'll put up a proposal for pricing the machine portion of monthly rentals in a bit that elaborates on http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-02#1916868
1916915;1559579375;a111;Logged on 2019-06-02 19:19 BingoBoingo: In order to break the present state of sin and approach [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-02#1916675][the proposed, more reasonable figure], going forward my inclination is to have box rental priced to recover 90% of their book cost over the first year's rents and in following years track 50% per annum as a longevity discount.
1916916;1559579418;asciilifeform;aite
1916917;1559579602;asciilifeform;'I am very unhappy with this interaction, I don't believe I met MP (since I asked for very clear corroboration bur didn't get it), I don't believe Nicole does the work ascribed to her without assistance (rather, a team does) and more to the point I don't get the whole point of the project. Why would this be done since 2018?  Please give me a simple answer. (Two examples would be tracking international sex trafficking, or making black
1916918;1559579602;asciilifeform; budget payments without being tracked.)' << didjaknow!
1916919;1559579977;asciilifeform;meanwhile, elsewhere in heathendom, [https://archive.is/Lk3qi][classic cmachineistic 0day in 'bzip2'].
1916920;1559584867;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-03#1916881 << Sure. Became common knowledge in the US during the 90's before fading out of sight again. Just another point supporting the ~25-35 year culture lag down here.
1916921;1559584867;a111;Logged on 2019-06-03 11:47 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-02#1916860 << usually just disguised campaign donations, "i didn't give $$$ to party, i bought ticket". very popular dnc strategy in the us, since the 70s at the least.
1916922;1559586918;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, i'm well confused now. so i'm pying .40 a year for colocation ?!
1916923;1559586927;mircea_popescu;or which is the s.mg owned machine ?
1916924;1559587459;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-03#1916911 << well, this is where it gets nutty. i'm certain ben_vulpes talked me into sellign a box to pziarro, but now i don't recall if it was the nsa box or the minigame box. i seem to recall it wasn't both.
1916925;1559587459;a111;Logged on 2019-06-03 16:19 asciilifeform: then we're talking about the s.mg spare. which is a piz box and then oughta be priced entirely == to the primary smg.
1916926;1559587475;mircea_popescu;i guess ima have to have this dug up on my own side also, to get back to sanity.
1916927;1559587523;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-03#1916917 << what the fuck is this nonsense ?
1916928;1559587523;a111;Logged on 2019-06-03 16:33 asciilifeform: 'I am very unhappy with this interaction, I don't believe I met MP (since I asked for very clear corroboration bur didn't get it), I don't believe Nicole does the work ascribed to her without assistance (rather, a team does) and more to the point I don't get the whole point of the project. Why would this be done since 2018?  Please give me a simple answer. (Two examples would be tracking international sex trafficking, or making black
1916929;1559587571;mircea_popescu;yes dude, [http://trilema.com/2012/de-ce-si-ar-dori-o-fata-sa-fie-sclava/#selection-79.0-79.26][slavery ==  superpowers], what the fuck. what else would be the point anyway ?
1916930;1559587633;mircea_popescu;that's precisely what a slavegirl is, a woman that from outside seems a whole fucking blue chip corporation all by herself. much like a car is, to the zulu mind, "a whole herd of oxen".
1916931;1559587895;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: only smg box (pair, primary & spare) was sold to piz
1916932;1559587924;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the snsa pair is (dulap & spare-dulap) are snsa boxen
1916933;1559587957;asciilifeform;re the nonsense, that's ninjashogun, and as for wtf in his crankcase, i have nfi, i suspect medicine is powerless
1916934;1559588041;diana_coman;eh, from asciilifeform's snippets the dude's "evaluations" seem to be more mix-and-match premade expectations than actual evaluations; fwiw I met Nicole and I don't see why exactly couldn't she do those reviews she did.
1916935;1559588185;asciilifeform;diana_coman: at this pt i suspect he's a bona fide nutter
1916936;1559588309;diana_coman;I'm not even sure he's not more common than one might think but that's not to say the whole thing is not getting more tiresome than lulzy from my pov.
1916937;1559588375;asciilifeform;supposedly a coupla % ( at least in industrialized populations ) are active/latent schizo
1916938;1559588444;asciilifeform;at any rate i'm all outta what to say to such patient, if anyone wants to play with him, his email's in the paste, i'ma put him in the nigerian list.
1916939;1559588563;*;asciilifeform suspects the fella's at the stage where only thing left is the folx in white coats, fixation robe, cold showers, aminazine, etc
1916940;1559588625;diana_coman;asciilifeform: why or how exactly different from all the others who decided that reality doesn't apply to them when it trips over their expectations?
1916941;1559588676;asciilifeform;diana_coman: afaik not diff. only peculiarity is that he got hold of a net connection, but i suppose this is not difficult feat naodays even for hobo
1916942;1559588834;asciilifeform;( incidentally remember the olden days when one could usually suppose that someone with net connection has a fixed postage address somewhere, and humanlike house, and etc ? )
1916943;1559589771;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> or which is the s.mg owned machine ? << NSA owns its machines, S.MG rents its machines from Pizarro. ben_vulpes bought boxes rented to S.MG through incurring a debt S.NSA, visible in Pizarro statements in the liability tables http://pizarroisp.net/2019/05/06/pizarro-april-2019-report/#selection-13.5592-13.5655
1916944;1559589778;BingoBoingo;Will dig for relevant log
1916945;1559589864;BingoBoingo;http://trilema.com/2018/no-such-labs-snsa-april-2018-statement/#selection-525.0-529.309 << S.NSA statement comment on the matter
1916946;1559590225;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-03#1792483 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-03#1792649 Appear to be the transaction. Conversation happened on a "douchebag" day
1916947;1559590225;a111;Logged on 2018-04-03 18:11 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i wasn't initially going to say anything besides "nay" ; but hey, pizarro's a friend of ours, so : nsa would sell the spare machine for cost, which is about .371. comes with two fgs installed and free shipping.
1916948;1559590225;a111;Logged on 2018-04-03 19:42 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes cash or bonds, though for the latter no actual discount was discussed in teh nsa boardroom. but i guess i'll go with .4 off the cuff and hope nobody throws gavels at me.
1916949;1559590325;BingoBoingo;And a portion of the S.NSA debt appears to be FUCKGOATS http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-25#1785997
1916950;1559590325;a111;Logged on 2018-02-25 16:38 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes how about you lot take three dozen FGs at .45 ? (cash ; or at your option .5 BTC worth of convertible bonds for s.nsa).
1916951;1559590372;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-26#1786296
1916952;1559590372;a111;Logged on 2018-02-26 17:30 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i'll take 'em in exchange for the note at 0.5. ty!
1916953;1559590988;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-03#1916911 << asciilifeform to be clear we are talking about both S.MG machines. One machine is a yearly rental where ben_vulpes worked out a sort of high markup insurance plan http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-26#1786313 Eventually the cold spare backing insurance turned into a monthly rental priced by math unknown to me http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-25#1837631
1916954;1559590988;a111;Logged on 2019-06-03 16:19 asciilifeform: then we're talking about the s.mg spare. which is a piz box and then oughta be priced entirely == to the primary smg.
1916955;1559590988;a111;Logged on 2018-02-26 17:41 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i'm going to roll the FGs into the rental cost of the machine; 20% markup for a year paid up front for the whole kit and caboodle if that passes with you
1916956;1559590988;a111;Logged on 2018-07-25 02:45 mod6: So the 0.03542985 includes the price of the physical box, and a charge for rack space.  we broke this down into a daily cost, then multiplied it by 19, as we figured this out on the 12th.
1916957;1559591132;BingoBoingo;I would like to convert both of these to clear yearly contracts that will not require a time sucking archaeology mission on both sides when renewal comes up again.
1916958;1559591595;BingoBoingo;I would like to do this in a way that leads to not every single 1U rental contract becoming a precious bespoke snowflake arrangement (beyond accomodations naturally offered and WELL RECORDED to sugar things up for big clients because "men not laws"). The idea is that by knowing what our book is on a machine, pricing can become simple in the way Colocation and Rockchips are.
1916959;1559593391;*;BingoBoingo notes the current predicament where X process that could be routinely handled by following a recipe instead degrades to a process involving several exhausting searches is exactly why "common law" jurisdictions inevitably turn into India, Ganges and all
1916960;1559593624;BingoBoingo;Once the S.MG rental billing is taken care of with a model applicable to future server rentals, the book can be closed on ugly common law billing.
1916961;1559601080;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/06/australians-shocked-after-3-chinese-naval-vessels-make-port-call-in-sydney/ << Qntra -- Australians Shocked After 3 Chinese Naval Vessels Make Port Call In Sydney
1916962;1559601352;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: s/arfificial/artificial in earlier qntra item
1916963;1559601404;BingoBoingo;ty, fxd
1916964;1559609260;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in definitely-not-news, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/donnelly/index.html
1916965;1559609500;asciilifeform;incidentally, i generate these by machine, and it takes about 3sec per. would have put it as a [http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1730023][net-connected hopper thing] aeons ago, BUT it of course uses a heathen render (there are no 'demonstrably electrically correct' pdf eaters, and i dun expect one to exist) and suffers from [https://archive.is/f9hNX][the obvious problem]
1916966;1559609500;a111;Logged on 2017-10-27 22:29 mircea_popescu: thatg aside, the more pressing problem is that we don't have a proper pdf-decrufter, (random moron with delusions of self-impoirtance failed to be useful, as you prolly recall), and if we're going to do something by hand this'd be more sorely needed than that.
1916967;1559609589;asciilifeform;imho this kinda thing would be a a+++ application for a [http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760694]['bake disposable similated linux box with simulated disk etc in <1s and tear down to 0'] item.
1916968;1559609589;a111;Logged on 2017-12-29 15:47 asciilifeform: ( this is prolly doomed to happen in the end. i.e. gotta retarget gnat to a simplified mips or the like, and then run in emulator, verify actual clock cycle counts )
1916969;1559609641;asciilifeform;which presently dun exist, but theoretically is feasible ( i've booted a working generic linux on a <3000loc-c heathen mips emu, for instance, in the past. )
1916970;1559609740;asciilifeform;*simulated
1916971;1559609792;asciilifeform;nao that i thinkaboutit, could be useful even in such application as piz shared hostisics..
1916972;1559609884;asciilifeform;mips specifically is compact enuff in its definition that one could write a demonstrably-inescapable sim for it. would weigh approx what peh (sans ffa) weighs, i suspect.
1916973;1559609919;asciilifeform;( anyone have free hands ? and inclination ? spyked maybe ? )
1916974;1559609949;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu can you think of any other applications for this, that'd make it worth the sweat ?
1916975;1559610067;asciilifeform;all of this of course wholly unrelated to the linked piece, which is about distribution of factors in uniform rand. ints. ( about which i thought ~0 is known, but turns out not quite 0. )
1916976;1559627458;spyked;asciilifeform, I'm hands full atm, but would surely like to work on something like that once I free 'em. re applications, maybe running other heathen progz (e.g. loading js websites, iirc there was some discussion about that when lobbes was working on archiver?)
1916977;1559627647;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-30#1916277 <-- ty phf! I'll use this as a datapoint for my current changelog study
1916978;1559627647;a111;Logged on 2019-05-30 18:45 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-29#1916136 << i'm using hunchentoot-1.2.35 but that's in no way explored, that's whatever i got out of quicklisp on first btcbase deploy
1916979;1559642922;mircea_popescu;in other news, /me shall be going to egypt for a coupla weeks starting prolly this weekend. mwahahaha!
1916980;1559642965;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-03#1916932 << da fuck, srsly ?!
1916981;1559642965;a111;Logged on 2019-06-03 18:52 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the snsa pair is (dulap & spare-dulap) are snsa boxen
1916982;1559642970;mircea_popescu;SCAM!
1916983;1559643070;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, as per tradition (sadly, the WRONG tradition, of common law title-deed), can i has logline re this or anything ?
1916984;1559643211;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-03#1916934 << that's exactly what it is. i very much stand by original http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-21#1914864 : http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-30#1806593
1916985;1559643211;a111;Logged on 2019-06-03 18:54 diana_coman: eh, from asciilifeform's snippets the dude's "evaluations" seem to be more mix-and-match premade expectations than actual evaluations; fwiw I met Nicole and I don't see why exactly couldn't she do those reviews she did.
1916986;1559643211;a111;Logged on 2019-05-21 22:46 mp_en_viaje: makes the ~same wetware shannonizer impression irl.
1916987;1559643211;a111;Logged on 2018-04-30 17:53 mircea_popescu: pinoy actually uses shanonizing as THE, not an, but THE intellectual mode of life.
1916988;1559643293;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-03#1916937 << this is not schizo tho, it's the other line.
1916989;1559643293;a111;Logged on 2019-06-03 18:59 asciilifeform: supposedly a coupla % ( at least in industrialized populations ) are active/latent schizo
1916990;1559643466;mircea_popescu;quick mp likbez on mental health : other than mentally healthy people (which is very vast indeed, and well varied, and almost universal), there I) an organic malfunction type, which sometimes ends up spontaneously organized -- much like "cancer" is "that tiny % of broken cells that end up broken in such a specific way they stay organized".
1916991;1559643467;mircea_popescu;this is schizo ; and from an evolutionary pov it well matches the "failure of [http://trilema.com/2014/the-bicameral-world-in-one-room-the-city-dump-in-the-other-room-the-starred-restaurant-do-these-talk-to-each-other-read-on-to-find-out/][historical mind compartment process]"
1916992;1559643574;mircea_popescu;there's also a II) dataflow control failure. these are all the "add" (kids so aggitated they're saying something, the WHAT they're saying gets lost in dribbles). these are the manic-depressives, people so concerned with their "[http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-02#1916733][status]" they fail to actually produce anything, like a robot that's 99% sensors and 0% servos.
1916993;1559643574;a111;Logged on 2019-06-02 05:03 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in delicious nonsense, https://pastebin.com/h5HxRWa9 ; moneyshot : "A thought we had a few weeks ago during one of our low-low mood phases, that perhaps it isn't worth pursuing bodily separation since we all already know each so well and can basically form new sentient agents in this brain on a whim, with a second's effort; namely, that if any one of separated into a new brain or some other medium of mind, that a
1916994;1559643592;mircea_popescu;similarily, the overanxious stutterer, and so in this vein.
1916995;1559643661;mircea_popescu;this ~last type~ is perhaps amenable to treatment. because if you give the kid-thats-a-blur something to fix him the fuck down for five minutes he might have the breather to figure out which way the shoes go on ; and if you don't... well, esp at that age, it's perfectly possible the brain window closes, and he never the fuck will. because this is how the brain works, either learn language by ~5 or forget about LANGUAGE. al
1916996;1559643661;mircea_popescu;together.
1916997;1559643675;mircea_popescu;and this is the justification for medicating them, such as it is.
1916998;1559643728;mircea_popescu;this is why freud mostrly "treats" stutterers and anxious-maniacal folk. cuz they're not type-I broken in the head, they're type-II, they got "dysphoria", they thing "[http://trilema.com/2012/semne-clare-ca-esti-gay-despre-care-nici-macar-nu-ti-dai-seama/][maybe they're gay]" and such nonsense.
1916999;1559643774;mircea_popescu;there's also a type III that's not really a type -- sexually frustrated humans get crabby. this is perfectly healthy, and evolutionarily necessary. "if in unhappy relationship, push it till it either fixes or breaks".
1917000;1559643819;mircea_popescu;obviously if "society" overloads sexual relationship with "civilisational meaning" then they wanna "treat female hysteria", which is now "a condition" -- the condition of societal overload not working out in practice.
1917001;1559643828;mircea_popescu;but this is entirely not a mental health issue.
1917002;1559643839;mircea_popescu;and so there we go ; rob dude's eminently II.
1917003;1559643906;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-03#1916939 << he's actually highly functioning socially, perceived as annoying by the wallflower anxiousgirlies but otherwise...
1917004;1559643906;a111;Logged on 2019-06-03 19:02 asciilifeform suspects the fella's at the stage where only thing left is the folx in white coats, fixation robe, cold showers, aminazine, etc
1917005;1559643958;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-03#1916941 << im pretty sure has parents (if i had to guess -- mother) somewhere creating his womb for him.
1917006;1559643958;a111;Logged on 2019-06-03 19:04 asciilifeform: diana_coman: afaik not diff. only peculiarity is that he got hold of a net connection, but i suppose this is not difficult feat naodays even for hobo
1917007;1559643969;mircea_popescu;these days, this isn't even so rare, for a 30yo.
1917008;1559644028;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-03#1916945 << a bless you very much!
1917009;1559644028;a111;Logged on 2019-06-03 19:24 BingoBoingo: http://trilema.com/2018/no-such-labs-snsa-april-2018-statement/#selection-525.0-529.309 << S.NSA statement comment on the matter
1917010;1559644062;mircea_popescu;jeez i like #trilema, at 12:12 ask question, at 12:28 have answer.
1917011;1559644277;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-03#1916957 << i guess i'm amenable to this. though of course why i sold machines to rent them for multi-years is then anyone's guess...
1917012;1559644277;a111;Logged on 2019-06-03 19:45 BingoBoingo: I would like to convert both of these to clear yearly contracts that will not require a time sucking archaeology mission on both sides when renewal comes up again.
1917013;1559644292;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, do we actually need/use both as such and ~permanently ?
1917014;1559644346;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, would you be amenable to carry 2 replacement boxes on yoru trip over, that i buy, and give them to pizarro in lieu of these two, convert them to colo only ?
1917015;1559644378;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-03#1916958 << aye verily!
1917016;1559644378;a111;Logged on 2019-06-03 19:53 BingoBoingo: I would like to do this in a way that leads to not every single 1U rental contract becoming a precious bespoke snowflake arrangement (beyond accomodations naturally offered and WELL RECORDED to sugar things up for big clients because "men not laws"). The idea is that by knowing what our book is on a machine, pricing can become simple in the way Colocation and Rockchips are.
1917017;1559644407;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-03#1916960 << win.
1917018;1559644407;a111;Logged on 2019-06-03 20:27 BingoBoingo: Once the S.MG rental billing is taken care of with a model applicable to future server rentals, the book can be closed on ugly common law billing.
1917019;1559644451;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-04#1916971 << conceivably useful yes.
1917020;1559644451;a111;Logged on 2019-06-04 00:56 asciilifeform: nao that i thinkaboutit, could be useful even in such application as piz shared hostisics..
1917021;1559650356;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-04#1917013 -> until we change OS basically; the test one was step towards Cuntoo and that's pretty much the only real reason for having 2 since playing around with the OS on a production server is rather iffy.
1917022;1559650356;a111;Logged on 2019-06-04 10:31 mircea_popescu: diana_coman, do we actually need/use both as such and ~permanently ?
1917023;1559650466;diana_coman;to answer the q directly: not permanently, I'd hope! But it does seem to be rather long term since atm I have my hands full with SMG Comms on both client+server and otherwise we don't yet have a full Cuntoo setup to deploy and say that's fixed
1917024;1559650640;mircea_popescu;it's been six months or some shit!
1917025;1559650820;diana_coman;indeed; I suppose there might be a case for keeping the production server only and then getting the test/cuntoo one only when there is finally what to put on it
1917026;1559650898;diana_coman;there is the fiddly part with sjlj vs zcx but that in itself doesn't justify 2 machines, no.
1917027;1559654144;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-04#1917011 << iirc the logic was discussed, when subscriber leases machine, piz is sworn to keep him en-machined at all times ( by keeping on hand any and all necessary spares )
1917028;1559654144;a111;Logged on 2019-06-04 10:31 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-03#1916957 << i guess i'm amenable to this. though of course why i sold machines to rent them for multi-years is then anyone's guess...
1917029;1559654198;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-04#1917014 << asciilifeform's orcistan transport service lives to serve ! mircea_popescu do you happen to have these machines already ? theoretically could stop in cr an' pick up etc
1917030;1559654198;a111;Logged on 2019-06-04 10:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, would you be amenable to carry 2 replacement boxes on yoru trip over, that i buy, and give them to pizarro in lieu of these two, convert them to colo only ?
1917031;1559654225;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, so should i release the monthly then ?
1917032;1559654249;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo incidentally imho would be good thing for piz, even if mircea_popescu ends up w/ cheaper subscription, cuz then vacates 2 piz boxen and these can be advertised
1917033;1559654254;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, i've not been in cr for months ; no, the idea was to get you to buy them for me :)
1917034;1559654260;asciilifeform;a
1917035;1559654313;asciilifeform;could buy. think about what in particular you'd like in'em and we can arrange.
1917036;1559654397;mircea_popescu;i was thinking copies of extant, so as to give them to pizarro in exchange, see ? this way i don't have to move hdds
1917037;1559654412;asciilifeform;transport cost is 1/n per 1u of box, and iirc the airplane/bed was approx 2.5 us dubloons last time
1917038;1559654458;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i will then start to search for these very same.
1917039;1559654478;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you'll prolly want hds, tho, as spares (they can travel inside boxes)
1917040;1559654518;asciilifeform;*2.5k
1917041;1559654568;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo my thinking is, moar boxes in the rack == good thing.
1917042;1559654590;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, give it till the end of today to figure out what we're doing here, but in principl yes.
1917043;1559654600;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: no reason to hurry.
1917044;1559654622;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you may recall, there is a small supply of spare FG here, these can go in your machines.
1917045;1559654683;mircea_popescu;coolness.
1917046;1559654714;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-04#1917003 << this is interesting and not quite what i expected , from http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-01#1916641
1917047;1559654714;a111;Logged on 2019-06-04 10:25 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-03#1916939 << he's actually highly functioning socially, perceived as annoying by the wallflower anxiousgirlies but otherwise...
1917048;1559654714;a111;Logged on 2019-06-01 23:28 nicoleci: lol he didnt mention it, he was mostly being asked to leave the room though
1917049;1559654757;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, there's a lot of room between "highly functioning mental case" and "socially pleasant normal person"
1917050;1559654787;asciilifeform;evidently! d00d sounds like early stage schizoid tho, in writing
1917051;1559654977;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-04#1917019 << i'ma describe, for the l0gz, the hypothetical. suppose mips emu in asm ( the heathen item in fact compiles to a 30kB elf , not esp. complex, but would want clean rewrite really ). this'd be proggy that takes disk image and it tx/rx raw frames to/from nic, so can have own ip etc. then 1 large amd box can host coupla 100 instances of mips linux from known image. <1s teardown/bringup.
1917052;1559654977;a111;Logged on 2019-06-04 10:34 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-04#1916971 << conceivably useful yes.
1917053;1559655006;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-04#1917031 - the colo option sounds good to me as it's essentially a long-term use.
1917054;1559655006;a111;Logged on 2019-06-04 13:17 mircea_popescu: diana_coman, so should i release the monthly then ?
1917055;1559655017;asciilifeform;this is sorta like what the heathen vps people do, but in principle could be a clean coupla-kB tmsr item w/out buggy multi-100MB turd.
1917056;1559655045;asciilifeform;( the heathens use intelism 'virtualizations' for it, wins a bit of speed but at cost of 9000 nobus )
1917057;1559655220;asciilifeform;http://loper-os.org/pub/heathen-mips.tar.gz << for thread-completeness. (most of the ball is a sample linux disk, the sores itself is ~50kB)
1917058;1559655261;asciilifeform;orig was found in shithub but damned if i link to shithub.
1917059;1559655301;asciilifeform;item pictured for illustrative purpose only, i do not recommend its use in battlefield.
1917060;1559655324;asciilifeform;the only iron in this emulator is the cpu and a 16550 uart.
1917061;1559655343;asciilifeform;builds with no deps.
1917062;1559655524;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the problem approached, is how to house 9000 heathens on 1 machine. the currently used shared hosting system presumes certain amount of literacy (and cooperation) from the tenants, it is simple unix accts thing.
1917063;1559655576;asciilifeform;( incidentally, a from-ground system could support migration b/w irons, in principle. )
1917064;1559655628;asciilifeform;previously i considered the contemplated method impractical (in re amt of sweat req'd to construct) but from the weight of the heathen example, it begins to seem tractable.
1917065;1559655719;*;asciilifeform sadly atm has entirely full hands
1917066;1559655895;asciilifeform;would be a mighty useful thing, tho, 'drop coin in this-here slot and get root on a mips cuntoo'
1917067;1559657535;mircea_popescu;only problem being "modern linux" is a 2gb pos.
1917068;1559657555;asciilifeform;depends what means 'modern linux'. e.g. asciilifeform's trb 'buildroot' weighed under 5MB.
1917069;1559657564;asciilifeform;incl. kernel.
1917070;1559657571;mircea_popescu;ya well
1917071;1559657586;mircea_popescu;"customers" right ? who knows what they come up with
1917072;1559657591;asciilifeform;the rk gentoo is half a GB iirc (incl. gcc toolchain)
1917073;1559657619;asciilifeform;the customers'd get the standard image, as they do on rk, and can then do whatever, pay per MB of disk and per cpu cycle.
1917074;1559657637;mircea_popescu;that might even work, actually.
1917075;1559657666;asciilifeform;it's what lulazon does, adjusted for http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-19#1615434
1917076;1559657666;a111;Logged on 2017-02-19 03:54 asciilifeform: (iirc we had a thread where i described how corporate ameritards, if given a problem like phuctor, would happily soak up a few $mil and megawatt of iron)
1917077;1559657677;mircea_popescu;i suppose it is, huh.
1917078;1559657694;asciilifeform;it aint ~intrinsically~ retarded, imho, to buy/sell cpu by the litre.
1917079;1559657718;mircea_popescu;certainly.
1917080;1559657742;asciilifeform;problem is in how the heathens approached the problem, with the reliance on intelisms , heavy [http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-04#1462812][turdware], etc.
1917081;1559657742;a111;Logged on 2016-05-04 17:24 asciilifeform: ''Under certain conditions it allows unprivileged users running under qemu VMs to affect the host Linux kernel in a problematic manner...'
1917082;1559657787;asciilifeform;1 seekrit bonus of 'mips cluster' would be to get folx geared up for sane irons, when the time comes.
1917083;1559657947;asciilifeform;iirc asciilifeform's [http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-24#1573268][old favourite hoster] (going on 12y!) uses also a handwritten emu of some type. but no one knows precisely what.
1917084;1559657947;a111;Logged on 2016-11-24 23:56 asciilifeform: nearlyfreespeech co.
1917085;1559658184;asciilifeform;picture being able to download yer 'machine', run locally, modify, reupload, etc.
1917086;1559658212;asciilifeform;simulated box loses in speed, but wins back in versatility, if done ~properly~ (rather than like lulazon et al)
1917087;1559658283;*;asciilifeform brb:teatime
1917088;1559662341;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-04#1917036 << I am very amenable to this and getting more boxes in the rack
1917089;1559662341;a111;Logged on 2019-06-04 13:19 mircea_popescu: i was thinking copies of extant, so as to give them to pizarro in exchange, see ? this way i don't have to move hdds
1917090;1559662432;asciilifeform;[http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1887&cpage=1#comment-19803][in other lulz]
1917091;1559662443;asciilifeform;* sageprobes has quit (Quit: Page closed) << apparently ^him
1917092;1559662557;BingoBoingo;If we have boxes in the rack, someone will want them for something
1917093;1559662602;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: indeed
1917094;1559662605;mircea_popescu;seems to be the experuience so far, at any erate.
1917095;1559662800;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Do you have a clearer idea of when your next trip down to the land of Dairy, Pizza, and girl-looking girls is going to take place?
1917096;1559662881;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: can't in good conscience pick a date before i get the irons bought an' tested, but i suspect before end of (north hemisphere) summer, likely
1917097;1559662915;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, i'm ok for a coupla boxes. so the idea here is, buy copies of smg items, so that smg items become colo for smg and the new ones go to pizarro for itsef
1917098;1559662916;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: start thinkin' about what we want in the 2 remaining cargo slots.
1917099;1559662936;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha, sounds like The Right Thing
1917100;1559662968;mircea_popescu;if you wanna invoice me for this by thurs it's all ok, but if not, will pay upon return.
1917101;1559662993;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i've begun the search. will send you spec prior to buying
1917102;1559663001;mircea_popescu;aite.
1917103;1559663006;asciilifeform;ideally you want that type with the 2 slide-out ps
1917104;1559663013;*;mircea_popescu shall be around today/tomorro/thurs anyway
1917105;1559663019;asciilifeform;a++
1917106;1559663020;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I am inclined towards more 1U boxes or the APUs
1917107;1559663025;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, i don't care ?
1917108;1559663036;mircea_popescu;again, the idea is to give these to pizarro, in exchange of current boxes.
1917109;1559663036;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if dun care, the 1ps type is slightly cheaprr
1917110;1559663049;mircea_popescu;so get same ones.
1917111;1559663062;asciilifeform;aite, will look for precisely same
1917112;1559663075;asciilifeform;( last i saw, the folx from whom i bought prev set, still alive )
1917113;1559663086;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i'm thinking to get piz 2 of the same item also.
1917114;1559663109;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: think also re what else we ought to have ( spare rk ? disks? etc )
1917115;1559663150;asciilifeform;the small-boxen cluster thing is potentially useful, but somewhat fiddly in re: construction time
1917116;1559663189;asciilifeform;ideally Right Thing will be if we can a) lease out large boxen b) set up, in reasonably near term, the shared host scheme described upstack.
1917117;1559663232;asciilifeform;as for rk, asciilifeform is quite reluctant to expand the rk plant presently, as we lack a 100%-useful rk gnat
1917118;1559663278;BingoBoingo;Right, the SPU is however interesting.
1917119;1559663298;asciilifeform;interesting, but slightly underpowered for the $
1917120;1559663338;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: presumably you were speaking of 'apu1'
1917121;1559663360;BingoBoingo;Ah, yeah the APU one with the msata slots
1917122;1559663364;asciilifeform;aha
1917123;1559663378;asciilifeform;they're soldered-down 2core + 4GB ram thing.
1917124;1559663451;BingoBoingo;But... they do beat rockchip in potential diskiness, will need to shop a bit on this.
1917125;1559663482;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: plox to put some meat cycles into market survey then
1917126;1559663490;BingoBoingo;Aite
1917127;1559663535;asciilifeform;last i saw, apu1 was the only really usable x86 'small' box of which can mount several in one 1u
1917128;1559663575;asciilifeform;( i'm entirely uninterested in intel's , or fritzchipped-amd, offerings, ftr )
1917129;1559663627;asciilifeform;( ~those~ -- if someone wants to colo, we'll colo, but i cannot justify to spend piz coin on such atrocity )
1917130;1559664420;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: The box swap sounds like a deal, would you like the colocation invoiced annually on both boxes or would you like the test box invoiced quarterly or monthly instead?
1917131;1559664515;mircea_popescu;anually together works.
1917132;1559664533;mircea_popescu;!!up kiwi_88
1917133;1559664550;mircea_popescu;awe no deedbot again ?!
1917134;1559664557;mircea_popescu;trinque, ^
1917135;1559665288;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in heathen lulz : crapple proclaimed a 6k usd (bare-bones config, ~34k for full!) comp; lcd for it : 5k ; ~leg~ for lcd : 999 $ .
1917136;1559665321;asciilifeform;even crapple hall audience, consisting of hand-picked flunkies who bought costly tickets, jeered
1917137;1559665343;mircea_popescu;wtf
1917138;1559665359;asciilifeform;seems as if the ipnoje thing did not pan out, and what remains of crapple, is attempting a return to 1990s
1917139;1559665382;asciilifeform;when various folx who 'i won't microshit, basta' were willing to shell out 5-6k (1990s! usd) for various irons
1917140;1559665408;mircea_popescu;aww.
1917141;1559665415;mircea_popescu;i thogjt it bought russia.
1917142;1559665472;mircea_popescu;in fairness, figuring inflation, that 34k is worth less today than the ~2k i paid for (14 in!!!  vga crt in the early 90s
1917143;1559666527;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/grater.jpg << oblig, re subj
1917144;1559666596;mircea_popescu;heh
1917145;1559666709;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in asciilifeform's locale, price of tapwater has gone up ~2x.
1917146;1559666722;asciilifeform;'only terrorists believe in inflation'!111
1917147;1559666740;asciilifeform;( this, in 1 quarter )
1917148;1559666753;mircea_popescu;such terminal sovok
1917149;1559666777;asciilifeform;this is pre-terminal sovok, terminal is when 'tapwater worx on tuesdays and fridays'
1917150;1559666789;mircea_popescu;and odds are, once this new sovok is dead, people will stop remembering the insanely iiritating if entirely inconsequential idiocies of the office drones & bureaucrats
1917151;1559666792;mircea_popescu;and regret it.
1917152;1559666827;asciilifeform;prolly. they'll remember fountain soda for 1 kopeika / glass, like asciilifeform does.
1917153;1559666950;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> meanwhile, in asciilifeform's locale, price of tapwater has gone up ~2x. << There's a Pantsuit movement which advocated deliquent water payers need to be subsidized by relable water payers. Seems like your locale made it policy.
1917154;1559666964;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: not only, but they put in 'tiered pricing'
1917155;1559666974;mircea_popescu;first step to only works on thu
1917156;1559666977;asciilifeform;where god help you if you have a garden etc
1917157;1559667812;asciilifeform;upstack, apparently the 5k lcd dun come with the 999 leg. ( and won't mount to standard leg w/out a 200 $ adapter ( or, i suppose, illicit 'drm circumventing' electric drill... ) )
1917158;1559667899;asciilifeform;whole thing quite reminiscent of pete dushenski's plastic mercedes
1917159;1559667924;asciilifeform;( betcha he'll eagerly buy this box, and post... )
1917160;1559667938;mircea_popescu;i doubt it
1917161;1559667945;asciilifeform;who if not him
1917162;1559667957;mircea_popescu;among the upper middle class / lower upper class the fashion is nao "frugality" (codeword)
1917163;1559667998;mircea_popescu;i dunno, 1-2 "creative" agencies in ny, might prefer paying 35k in office furniture than 10k/year extra salary
1917164;1559668013;mircea_popescu;that kinda thing
1917165;1559668085;asciilifeform;i suspect bureaucrats, eating kickbacks, keep alive crapple's comp div. e.g. uni of md decade ago actually bought coupla hundred of those g5 crapples (similar price), they sat around and nao sit in the surplus shop, 50bux ea., no one wants
1917166;1559668115;asciilifeform;iirc trinque found 1 in a surplus auction somewhere, booted it up
1917167;1559668116;mircea_popescu;aha
1917168;1559668328;asciilifeform;these also only worked with custom lcd iirc.
1917169;1559668482;asciilifeform;was their last, afaik, box , prior to the switch to intel arch
1917170;1559668512;asciilifeform;quite hungry for mains current, iirc 250W / cpu
1917171;1559668704;mircea_popescu;my gamin gthing is like 850W
1917172;1559668711;asciilifeform;sustained?! or ps max
1917173;1559668719;mircea_popescu;ps max. sustained maybe 200 tbh
1917174;1559668726;asciilifeform;right
1917175;1559668730;mircea_popescu;yeah
1917176;1559668737;asciilifeform;iirc crapple's g5 actually ate that 250, sustained
1917177;1559668741;mircea_popescu;ouch
1917178;1559668771;asciilifeform;iirc story was, they were unable to practically laptopize it , and as result gave up and went x86
1917179;1559668946;mircea_popescu;wait, this was a LAPTOP ?!
1917180;1559668949;asciilifeform;no
1917181;1559668956;asciilifeform;was massive tower thing
1917182;1559668961;mircea_popescu;ah ah i see
1917183;1559668977;asciilifeform;already in those days they were making most of the mac sales in lappy tho
1917184;1559669022;asciilifeform;[https://archive.is/jOXrZ][subj], ftr.
1917185;1559669739;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/06/charges-dropped-against-members-of-us-dissident-group-that-refused-to-plea-out/ << Qntra -- Charges Dropped Against Members Of US Dissident Group That Refused To Plea Out
1917186;1559670594;asciilifeform;meanwhile, strictly for entomological aficionados, cont. of [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-03#1916907][hungarian thrd] : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/YsGWy/?raw=true
1917187;1559670594;a111;Logged on 2019-06-03 16:18 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-01#1916627][weird hungarian d00d] lulz, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/BZnL8/?raw=true
1917188;1559670605;asciilifeform;'i never saw it before, but here is how you can fix!111'
1917189;1559671119;asciilifeform;'I could never write serial uart code.  maybe there are algorithm errors in the protocol that I don't know about or miss.  I'd just use a tested library. I always have really high-level conceptual ideas, I often get lost in the minutiae.'
1917190;1559671143;mircea_popescu;aka "idea men" in bitcoin's early days.
1917191;1559671184;asciilifeform;i'm satisfied, fwiw, that d00d was ordinary crackpot, rather than professional appendage ( tho given the calibre of 'pro appendages' these days... )
1917192;1559671225;asciilifeform;he reminds me of [http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-21#1546310][r. kulisz]
1917193;1559671225;a111;Logged on 2016-09-21 12:26 mircea_popescu: ely neurotic self inspection, of which "transgenderism" of the alice/leah flavour is very strictly a subset, not to mention plainer nonsense of the kind displayed by eg. richard kulisz (see http://trilema.com/2016/full-loper-os-blogroll-review/#selection-847.0-851.1) or for that matter "lesswrong". between psychotic and neurotic, the beta boi is forever floating on this sea of delusional "you are special and perfect the way y
1917194;1559671253;asciilifeform;( who at one time wrote to asciilifeform erry week, re also 'ideas' , until finally burned out )
1917195;1559671321;mircea_popescu;in other such, neighbour got himself a rented cat earth mover. something SO FUCKIN GWEIRD about little excavator caught inside microscopic garden, 2ft from builduing corner...
1917196;1559671344;mircea_popescu;"high level ideas" tm
1917197;1559671372;asciilifeform;hey, micro excavator better investment imho than 'cheese grater mac'
1917198;1559671414;asciilifeform;or hm rented lol
1917199;1559671457;mircea_popescu;rented im sure
1917200;1559671470;BingoBoingo;Just because it is micro doesn't mean the maintenance needs are micro too!
1917201;1559671944;asciilifeform;'if I wanted to influence your RNG I would attack it at the von neumann fair toss algorithm, by ensuring that I have control over pairs of outputs somehow.' << didjaknow!111
1917202;1559671984;asciilifeform;'cannot rightfully apprehend the confusion of ideas that would lead to such...' (tm)(r)(babbage)
1917203;1559673118;mircea_popescu;i suspect you're paying way the fuck too much attention.
1917204;1559673247;asciilifeform;i do have a 'butterfly collection' of crackpots, goin' for ~two decades nao
1917205;1559673328;mircea_popescu;should prolly start a museum
1917206;1559673350;asciilifeform;my www's links bar used to be this 'museum', but cleaned it up a bit last yr
1917207;1559673361;mircea_popescu;i recall lol
1917208;1559673460;BingoBoingo;The links also only last so long as the linked stays on. Proper butterfly collection needs pinned under glass.
1917209;1559673472;mircea_popescu;^
1917210;1559673492;asciilifeform;iirc i switched a couple of'em to archived copy
1917211;1559673497;asciilifeform;e.g. kokkarinen
1917212;1559673517;mircea_popescu;is that guy still alive ?
1917213;1559673518;asciilifeform;i think at 1 time i had moar dead than living in that links bar lol
1917214;1559673556;asciilifeform;kokkarinen ? last i knew ( yr or so ago ) he was sorta alive, quietly teaching freshman discretemaffs in some canadian shithole
1917215;1559673574;mircea_popescu;it's a wonder he didn't go the ususal way for these
1917216;1559673794;asciilifeform;drink ?
1917217;1559673818;asciilifeform;possibly he did. last word i was able to get out of him, in iirc 2012, it was 'my shrink told me it would be best if i did not post any more'
1917218;1559673834;mircea_popescu;well no, shoot the policw
1917219;1559673845;asciilifeform;a
1917220;1559673853;asciilifeform;not esp. common exit for old uni profs
1917221;1559673857;asciilifeform;!#s ilkka
1917222;1559673857;a111;51 results for "ilkka", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=ilkka
1917223;1559673906;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-16#925211 << 1st time he was gagged. iirc actually sued & won
1917224;1559673906;a111;Logged on 2014-11-16 05:31 mircea_popescu: The brilliant Finnish-Canadian computer science professor / blogger Ilkka Kokkarinen has taken down his popular blog, presumably to keep his job after his campus newspaper noticed his heterodox views. His skepticism about the intellectual consistency of lesbian-feminist theory and practice would appear to have been his biggest crime.
1917225;1559673918;asciilifeform;2nd time, i have nfi specifically what was done to him, but no moar heard from him.
1917226;1559673991;asciilifeform;hilariously, d00d had orig. moved to usa from finland to 'escape socialism'
1917227;1559674047;asciilifeform;( at 1 time -- [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-14#1896004][finland was alive with thinkin' folx] )
1917228;1559674047;a111;Logged on 2019-02-14 01:00 asciilifeform strongly suspects there's a motherlode of naggumism of finns, that could be excavated if anyone were to liberate the 'dejanews' stash.
1917229;1559674071;asciilifeform;err, canada, not usa proper
1917230;1559674079;asciilifeform;but in my head same item!111
1917231;1559674149;asciilifeform;http://www.scs.ryerson.ca/~ikokkari/ << uni site. but devil knows when last updated.
1917232;1559674226;asciilifeform;apparently he has a [https://ilkkakokkarinen.blogspot.com/][new www], but it's fulla graphics proggies and not very interesting
1917233;1559674239;asciilifeform;last change ; sept '18
1917234;1559674409;asciilifeform;for thread-completeness : a [https://archive.is/19X1V][vintage ilkkaisms] compendium, in the spirit of http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ilkka.txt
1917235;1559674443;asciilifeform;+ [http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752572][only , afaik, known public copy of his 1st www]
1917236;1559674443;a111;Logged on 2017-12-17 03:56 asciilifeform: from same thread, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ilkka.zip  << still there, still afaik only copy of his 1st blog in existence on public net
1917237;1559674551;asciilifeform;[and seems that asciilifeform was not only 1 who wondered][https://archive.is/1yvTd] where he vanished to.
1917238;1559676187;asciilifeform;err,
1917239;1559676195;asciilifeform;[https://archive.is/1yvTd][and seems that asciilifeform was not only 1 who wondered] where he vanished to.
1917240;1559678418;BingoBoingo;!!cancel-invoice mircea_popescu 12
1917241;1559678423;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/VZ1pw/?raw=true
1917242;1559678478;BingoBoingo;!!v 10A5DB3B2E2481AC647D18F27ECA92E3B76634F034716480071B5EABDA9F59D7
1917243;1559678482;deedbot;BingoBoingo canceled mircea_popescu invoice 12
1917244;1559678540;BingoBoingo;!!invoice mircea_popescu 0.6393680302 S.MG Colocation, two servers through June 2020 (141.7*2*12)/5319 USD
1917245;1559678544;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/y2oFP/?raw=true
1917246;1559678577;BingoBoingo;!!v F47FDE0355C923A25BB38B946B4391D1D9D9998AF977AD4A002F8B55876EC712
1917247;1559678581;deedbot;Invoiced mircea_popescu 0.6393680302 << S.MG Colocation, two servers through June 2020 (141.7*2*12)/5319 USD
1917248;1559678811;mircea_popescu;...
1917249;1559678912;mircea_popescu;you seriously expect me to pay a year's worth of service with bitcoin evaluated 2/3 of market price ?
1917250;1559678973;BingoBoingo;Aite, I'll cancel it and reinvoice after the auctions
1917251;1559678981;BingoBoingo;When we have a new price
1917252;1559679056;BingoBoingo;!!cancel-invoice mircea_popescu 13
1917253;1559679061;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/hRPCe/?raw=true
1917254;1559679102;BingoBoingo;!!v C6189C73B9DF4F1C73E0442AF72B8A046B910F437E980735AA855C220072BD14
1917255;1559679106;deedbot;BingoBoingo canceled mircea_popescu invoice 13
1917256;1559680227;*;BingoBoingo will fire off the auctions tonight after 0:00 UTC so they get top of the log page visibility
1917257;1559681972;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo, mircea_popescu : also i thought this was to go when the new boxen delivered ?
1917258;1559682330;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: If you can get the boxes delivered this summer (Pizarrostan winter), I am very inclined to end the awful log archaeology attempt at rental pricing the two boxes in question now. There's a bunch of logmess and little clarity on what ought to be charged for rental on the boxes until the swap boxes are priced.
1917259;1559682366;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: currently can't see why not. possibly even sooner than end of summer.
1917260;1559682402;asciilifeform;( i do have to buy'em and properly test before flying'em, tho, and it is ~conceivable~ that one will be a dud and get mailed back etc )
1917261;1559682556;asciilifeform;given what costs to transport to BingoBoingostan, cannot in good conscience put in crate an untested machine
1917262;1559682600;BingoBoingo;Right, they gotta be bought, tested, and entered into the datacenter before the final tally comes in we can use for basing a price.
1917263;1559682634;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: well recall thread, mircea_popescu will be taking up the existing units, and at the ordinary colo rate
1917264;1559682641;asciilifeform;the new ones, will be for piz.
1917265;1559682672;asciilifeform;this way mircea_popescu & diana_coman dun need to rebuild boxes and suffer down times
1917266;1559682718;BingoBoingo;Right. With all of that, I am inclined to take on good faith that the boxes will arrive in a not ridiculous timeline and simply start charging a pure colo rate to S.MG.
1917267;1559682988;BingoBoingo;Many hours have been spent log digging and the big take away is that while overspecing a contract to cover every contingency is bad, time doesn't ever stop what happens at renewal time has to be clear.
1917268;1559684065;mircea_popescu;i dun have a problem with paying rental till then
1917269;1559684182;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well, when the boxes get here and there's better price information I can invoice for however many months the gap between now and delivery ended up being.
1917270;1559684209;mircea_popescu;that's...
1917271;1559684210;mircea_popescu;generous.
1917272;1559684652;BingoBoingo;I'd still be invoicing colocation before invoicing the backrent. The math I am inclined to use to calculate the backrent would be is:
1917273;1559684653;BingoBoingo;(cost of the servers involved the swap)/2 to get the annual basis for charging rent as proposed here http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-02#1916868 and then invoicing for however many months it took the machines to get here
1917274;1559684653;a111;Logged on 2019-06-02 19:19 BingoBoingo: In order to break the present state of sin and approach [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-02#1916675][the proposed, more reasonable figure], going forward my inclination is to have box rental priced to recover 90% of their book cost over the first year's rents and in following years track 50% per annum as a longevity discount.
1917275;1559685073;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-04#1917271 << My aim, as clumsy as it probably seems is to navigate Pizarro out of the our year one messes while preserving or creating enough goodwill to have a Pizarro year 3.
1917276;1559685073;a111;Logged on 2019-06-04 21:36 mircea_popescu: generous.
1917277;1559685301;mircea_popescu;aite, well, if you can live with this, i have no problem paying your retrobill when the shipment's made
1917278;1559685387;asciilifeform;a++
1917279;1559685392;*;asciilifeform bbl:meat
1917280;1559685582;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Thank you.
1917281;1559686545;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/06/chinese-ministries-issue-advisories-cautioning-against-travel-to-us-over-crime-and-law-enforcement-hazards-to-chinese-citizens/ << Qntra -- Chinese Ministries Issue Advisories Cautioning Against Travel To US Over Crime And Law Enforcement Hazards To Chinese Citizens
1917282;1559686722;BingoBoingo;In local news: the old labor https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/ancap-paro-del-sindicato-obligo-a-importar-supergas-y-dejo-sobrecosto-de-us-2-5-millones-201964182257 and the aspiring labor https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/pension-irregular-en-pocitos-mas-de-30-inmigrantes-enfrentan-orden-de-desalojo-201964183244
1917283;1559693493;BingoBoingo;!Xbuy 154mn 120 500 WFF, WU esta bien
1917284;1559693494;auctionbot;Buy order # 1048 created by BingoBoingo: 500 WFF, WU esta bien Opening: 154mn ecu Ending: 2019-06-09 12:19:30.974170 UTC (119 hours)
1917285;1559693506;BingoBoingo;!Xbuy 400mn 120 2835 WFF, Wire Only
1917286;1559693506;auctionbot;Buy order # 1049 created by BingoBoingo: 2835 WFF, Wire Only Opening: 400mn ecu Ending: 2019-06-09 12:19:43.167056 UTC (119 hours)
1917287;1559695098;auctionbot;Buy order # 1048: 500 WFF, WU esta bien Heard: 154mn from lobbes. Ending: 2019-06-09 12:19:30.974170 UTC (119 hours 33 mins)
1917288;1559727268;stjohn_piano_2;New comment policy added for TMSR comments on Edgecase: http://edgecase.net/pages/how_to_comment_on_edgecase_datafeed
1917289;1559727292;stjohn_piano_2;New article: http://edgecase.net/articles/the_value_of_software
1917290;1559727579;mircea_popescu;stjohn_piano_2, wtf areyou doing ?
1917291;1559728323;mircea_popescu;and now, of course, has nothing to say.
1917292;1559728360;mircea_popescu;stjohn_piano_2, dude, fix your headcase. #1 if you're on enough to egostroke, you're on enough to answer a question
1917293;1559728443;mircea_popescu;and #2, this isn't somewhere for you to upload your autism. nobody gives a flying fuck about a marginally functional aspie and his worldview. start doing something useful so i don't have to send you down the chute ;  stop picking at  your bellybutton lint in any fucking case.
1917294;1559729568;diana_coman;stjohn_piano_2: note the dissonance in your approach - if you want reputation here, you need to do stuff that is useful here (there's a long list of such stuff that needs doing, pick, start on it and document as you go/ask politely and intelligently for help when you need it); onth if you want "reputation" for landing a programming job irl, dropping links here won't help (I doubt the Edgecase thing will help either but that's entirely up to 
1917295;1559729613;diana_coman;up to you*
1917296;1559730141;mircea_popescu;n other news, living with slavegirls is pretty fun. you make a mess in some obscure corner of the house. any mess you want. then you wake up in the morning, and it's... gone.
1917297;1559730149;mircea_popescu;kinda the polar opposite of living with potheads.
1917298;1559730156;mircea_popescu;which is particularly funny, because... they used to be.
1917299;1559730256;diana_coman;the funniest part sounds there the fact that from the other side therefore it's like...living with pothead? lolz
1917300;1559730296;mircea_popescu;what is this equivalency magic!
1917301;1559734789;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, i'm playibng "cunt wars" (browser game). mesmerized assistence, "omg, she's fucking a sword ?" ... "taking it IN THE ASS ?!?!"
1917302;1559734798;mircea_popescu;i'm all like... bitch, take notes.
1917303;1559735621;auctionbot;Buy order # 1048: 500 WFF, WU esta bien Heard: 80mn from PeterL outbidding lobbes. Ending: 2019-06-09 12:19:30.974170 UTC (108 hours 17 mins)
1917304;1559735739;diana_coman;lol! oglaf-style game doesn't even sound bad
1917305;1559743265;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-05#1917291 << loox like he plugged his bot in with his regged key from before
1917306;1559743265;a111;Logged on 2019-06-05 09:52 mircea_popescu: and now, of course, has nothing to say.
1917307;1559743325;asciilifeform;i.e. even coarser error of pilotage than http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-05#1917292
1917308;1559743325;a111;Logged on 2019-06-05 09:52 mircea_popescu: stjohn_piano_2, dude, fix your headcase. #1 if you're on enough to egostroke, you're on enough to answer a question
1917309;1559743904;mircea_popescu;nuts.
1917310;1559747610;asciilifeform;going by the linked item, fella also ate just enuff logs to feed the cockroaches in his head, but not enuff to kill any, e.g.:
1917311;1559747654;asciilifeform;'Understand that all is transient, the software that you write will probably not last your lifetime, and that it is philosophically impossible to write perfect software. It will always eventually begin to die, once the environment shifts enough. '
1917312;1559748776;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, i dunno if you've ever read http://trilema.com/2017/dupa-dealuri/#selection-53.0-57.257 ; but it very much discusses the problem of the sort of numbnuts.
1917313;1559749404;asciilifeform;i read the piece, but not seen film yet
1917314;1559749415;asciilifeform;so possib. missing the exact connect
1917315;1559749501;asciilifeform;i suspect it's an instance of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1536618
1917316;1559749501;a111;Logged on 2016-09-07 23:49 asciilifeform: alice_: do you know expression 'в чужой монастырь со своим уставом не ходят' ?
1917317;1559749561;mircea_popescu;not really tbh.
1917318;1559749569;asciilifeform;then plox to expand
1917319;1559749583;mircea_popescu;it's just the endless story of young dicklet mccoolstuff.
1917320;1559749735;asciilifeform;that'd be exactly this, then. 'move over, monastery, i have my own, mccool vows!'
1917321;1559749781;mircea_popescu;i guess i misread it then!
1917322;1559749804;asciilifeform;[http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1536637][downthread transl.]
1917323;1559749804;a111;Logged on 2016-09-07 23:56 asciilifeform: shinohai: approx. 'do not try to slip in with your own set of vows into another's monastery'
1917324;1559749818;*;asciilifeform brb:teatime
1917325;1559750772;mircea_popescu;anyway, the concern's not so much the monastery. the problem is that stupidity is self-reinforcing. i never met an idiot AWARE he's being moronic. on the contrary -- as an amusing reversal of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1505418 the very specific quality of idiocy / qualification for being an idiot is the ~being persuaded by idiocy~.
1917326;1559750772;a111;Logged on 2016-07-19 14:07 mircea_popescu: the basic, and really only, rule of hermeneutics is : that then you've understood a text when, far from its shortcomings appearing inexplicable errors, they become the actual pillars upon which the damned thing is constructed, and what originally seemed to you sensible and structural takes its true place as accidental.
1917327;1559750819;mircea_popescu;to escape it one'd have to realise WHAT precisely is so intrinsically wrong about being wrong ; but those who do so realise needn't, and those who need... well... lucifer is belabouring in hell under the (significant, btw) burden of the misapprehension of his own rightfullness.
1917328;1559751846;*;asciilifeform recalls another mircea_popescu portrait of subj, http://trilema.com/2017/i-think-they-might-be-overdoing-it-in-places/
1917329;1559751910;mircea_popescu;come to think about it, 80% of trilema is in one way and another, "please adlai, stop being fucking adlai in the fucking head ; please kanzure, please this that and the other".
1917330;1559751968;mircea_popescu;but whatever, the worthless 80% of the cuntspawn, pencildicks that are only fit for office droning are doing it 100% of the time -- everyone on steam is "oh, MUS THAVE DISCORD". why the fuck ? cuz tjat
1917331;1559751992;mircea_popescu;that is what they live for -- to spread the empire of stupid. 100%, day in and day out, morning, night and all in between.
1917332;1559752029;mircea_popescu;meanwhile the remnants, 0% fucking output, too busy dicking around with this fascinating lint & filth they found in their belly button. they'll bake you a pie, would you like pie baked out of their bellybutton lint maybe ?
1917333;1559752043;mircea_popescu;or anything, they'll crochet you a car. or a bridge. would you like to read the bellybutton lint chronicles ?
1917334;1559752050;asciilifeform;largely unrelatedly, but really oughta put in l0gz before it vanishes into the sands : the [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-04#1917057][sim-mips] find from other day, i read it when went to bed, and author had vehehery interesting 'muntz' with which he made it short as it was: he dun handle any faults other than page fault. e.g. garbage instruction, div0, etc. simply terminate the sim run.
1917335;1559752050;a111;Logged on 2019-06-04 13:33 asciilifeform: http://loper-os.org/pub/heathen-mips.tar.gz << for thread-completeness. (most of the ball is a sample linux disk, the sores itself is ~50kB)
1917336;1559752053;mircea_popescu;just as fucking long as it doesn't amount to a hill of beans, they're a-for it.
1917337;1559752063;mircea_popescu;tedious as helping snails fuck.
1917338;1559752464;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, might get terrible trying to debug a complex program
1917339;1559752490;asciilifeform;not really. like any other sim, it has reg dump
1917340;1559752596;mircea_popescu;and ram ?
1917341;1559752605;asciilifeform;snapshot
1917342;1559752721;mircea_popescu;it's gonna be a pain to debug.
1917343;1559752804;asciilifeform;potentially. wouldn't want to live in a sim like this round the clock. but also had thought: so long as hypothetical controller for these logs the eggogs, it could easily be Right Thing for e.g. shared hoster.
1917344;1559752820;asciilifeform;why exactly shouldn't yer session restart if you unhandled-div0.
1917345;1559753091;mircea_popescu;possibly.
1917346;1559753124;asciilifeform;notion here being, not all of the knobs on trad. physical box, are useful in a sim
1917347;1559753162;asciilifeform;( even aside from the moar obv. examples of what can be jettisoned, e.g. vga )
1917348;1559753217;asciilifeform;the other 'seekrit of the dark arts' is that on recent (~decade) of x86 irons, the gap b/w cpu an' ram clock is such that if you have sim that sits down in l0 cache, the speed penalty may well be effectively 0
1917349;1559753233;asciilifeform;cuz yer 'amd f' spends 95% of its cycles waiting for ram.
1917350;1559754781;BingoBoingo; Meanwhile in popular, participation, and movement http://archive.is/lzY6G
1917351;1559757540;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in the torture room : [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3386#selection-925.1-925.47][2048-bit primorial] is product of 1st 233 primes, i.e. 2,3,5,...,1471 . not so many. theoretically it may be worth the sweat to include a multi-part primorial (i.e. ~set~ of gcd litmusen, each within the permitted width) . this gives correspondingly faster pre-mr sieving, at expense of coupla extra ln. of peh, per. at what point diminishing retu
1917352;1559757540;asciilifeform;rn, presently do not know.
1917353;1559757564;asciilifeform;hence the [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-04#1916964][earlier dig]
1917354;1559757564;a111;Logged on 2019-06-04 00:47 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in definitely-not-news, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/donnelly/index.html
1917355;1559757590;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, diana_coman , other maffs folx ^
1917356;1559757988;asciilifeform;for comparison : a 4096bit fz can hold product of 1st 418 primes ; a 8192bit fz -- the 1st 758 primes.
1917357;1559758195;asciilifeform;... unsurprisingly, vast majority of cycles of ch18 prime gen tape are spent on 'first shots' of m-r which return 'is composite'.
1917358;1559758293;asciilifeform;these can never be abolished (or who would need m-r then...) but can be reduced, to some extent, as one particular shot of gcd is [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-11#1901404][substantially cheaper] than a single shot of m-r
1917359;1559758293;a111;Logged on 2019-03-11 19:52 asciilifeform: if the upstack note was unclear, btw -- you can do ~2500 4096b gcd's for the price of 1 4096b modexp.
1917360;1559758300;asciilifeform;q is , to what extent makes sense to do this.
1917361;1559758395;asciilifeform;in the didactic tape of ch18, i used strictly a single primorial litmus, with strictly 1st n primes that sit down in given width. but this is solely for simplicity of demo.
1917362;1559758543;asciilifeform;for thread-completeness : 16384bit fz : 1st 1386 primes. (took ~10min to compute , on ' asciilifeform's standard tester iron ', using tape shown in ch18 )
1917363;1559758577;asciilifeform;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/rBk45/?raw=true << what you get, for the curious.
1917364;1559758780;asciilifeform;...elementarily, the procedure where gcd(N, P), where P is a primorial, can be turned into two: gcd(N, P1) and gcd(N, P2) , where P1 and P2 ea. have half the bitness of the larger P ( recall effect of multiplication on bitness . )
1917365;1559758840;asciilifeform;... so in principle if you wanted to litmus against the 1st 1386 primes, in a 2048bit primegen , you will need 8 gcd litmusen, each with a separate 2048b constant.
1917366;1559758906;*;asciilifeform suspects 'diminishing return' is 'logarithmic' here. but not proved yet.
1917367;1559760161;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in other lulz, putin published uncensored copy of molotov-ribbentrop pact .
1917368;1559763135;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in upstack lulz, a 32768-bit primorial ! eats 63min 49s on tester, and holds 1st 2553 primes.
1917369;1559763180;asciilifeform;[http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/NDYhr/?raw=true][output] of subj, on the off-chance that anyone gives a damn.
1917370;1559763714;asciilifeform;( obv. [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3386#selection-517.0-519.1][this method] is NOT fastest means to compute product of 1st n primes; it is not exactly secret what the first coupla mil primes are, and one could compute product in <1s , if taking what they are on faith. but illustrated method does not rely on 'magic #s' )
1917371;1559764087;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/06/youtube-culls-entire-classes-of-content-in-editorial-shift-from-platform-to-publisher/ << Qntra -- Youtube Culls Entire Classes Of Content In Editorial Shift From Platform To Publisher
1917372;1559765229;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/06/austrialian-broadcaster-raided-by-law-enforcement-for-doing-on-war-crimes-sweden-withdraws-assange-extradition-request/ << Qntra -- Austrialian Broadcaster Raided By "Law Enforcement" For Doing On War Crimes, Sweden Withdraws Assange Extradition Request
1917373;1559770033;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/06/declining-hygenic-conditions-in-los-angeles-presenting-plague-risk/ << Qntra -- Declining Hygenic Conditions In Los Angeles Presenting Plague Risk
1917374;1559772303;Mocky;localbitcoins decides to turn away all their remaining legitimate users in. RIP LBC http://archive.is/kfpKC
1917375;1559772549;asciilifeform;Mocky: afaik [http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-11#1833404][was] a [http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-22#1828828][scam] for [http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-21#1816396][ages]
1917376;1559772549;a111;Logged on 2018-07-11 16:07 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/07/high-volume-california-localbitcoins-trader-sentenced-after-pleading-guilty/ << Qntra - High Volume California LocalBitcoins Trader Sentenced After Pleading Guilty
1917377;1559772549;a111;Logged on 2018-06-22 20:58 ben_vulpes: motherfucker, localbitcoins uses multisig deposit addresses
1917378;1559772549;a111;Logged on 2018-05-21 22:21 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: it doesn't make sense to put delicate items acquired with much suffering like BingoBoingo's cedula immediately into the statists hopper (localbitcoins demands "an ID" to post ads), when one can pick from the sale offers and operate on the side of the transaction where id is not asked for
1917379;1559772567;asciilifeform;+ http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1814511 etc
1917380;1559772567;a111;Logged on 2018-05-16 17:52 jurov: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-16#1813874 << i was somewhat successful on localbitcoins, until (presumably, noone said me details) they started to wire me stolen money.
1917381;1559772590;asciilifeform;arguably was never anyffin other than a 'decentralization-flavoured' honeypot.
1917382;1559772728;BingoBoingo;It is and has been a sort of centralized thing.
1917383;1559772773;Mocky;tru but you could answer cash ads without id, and which I did a lot of last year
1917384;1559772794;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: imho really oughta be seen as same sort of item as 'uber' , 'airbnb', other 'inca will insert himself as middleman' schemes
1917385;1559772810;BingoBoingo;Right
1917386;1559772844;Mocky;more a platform to meet people and make own trades with them off-platform, formerly
1917387;1559772864;BingoBoingo;Still plenty of ads there with off platform communications channels listed
1917388;1559772879;asciilifeform;Mocky: also 'platform' to help folx atrophy their doing-without-inca-platform-ty muscles.
1917389;1559772907;BingoBoingo;Mostly that
1917390;1559772914;asciilifeform;sorta like how 'ebay' ~killed the secondhand-comps-for-cash market
1917391;1559772974;*;asciilifeform has been to various 2ndhand irons shops (industrial, entirely disinterested in konsoomer rubbish) over past 20y, and erry single one , where talked to proprietor, 'i have this shop, but 90% of revenue is ebay'
1917392;1559773035;Mocky;im not a proponent of inca platform. would love to find traders in raleigh some other way, but how to find?
1917393;1559773053;asciilifeform;( typically they fold up and go straight-ebay when keeper wakes up to the fact that he pays rent for shop and sits in chair for mere 10% of his take... )
1917394;1559773158;asciilifeform;Mocky: if i had bottle of 'become mircea_popescu' elixir, i'd share with you a glass. but as it is e.g. asciilifeform was entirely unable to get hold of bitcoin at all for many yrs, when could not find anyone who had it + would not deal with goxisms
1917395;1559773299;asciilifeform;... in 2010-11, i mined just short of single coin , on junkyard-salvaged fpgas ! until then, had none at all
1917396;1559773388;asciilifeform;fwiw i suspect that even today, a very similar logic drives some substantial % of minerism
1917397;1559773431;asciilifeform;i.e. where folx will pay considerably moar than the typical 'market worth' in fiatola, simply to avoid moving fiatola into any box overtly 'bitcoin-labeled'
1917398;1559773520;asciilifeform;( can laugh at this hypothesis if you like, but i can't think of how else to explain the still-palpable amt of minerism that happens ~outside~ of cn and other cheap-mains locales )
1917399;1559773699;Mocky;low levels of numeracy
1917400;1559774664;asciilifeform;dun think so, in this case.
1917401;1559802590;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-05#1917304 << yeah, kinda interesting card trading thing.
1917402;1559802590;a111;Logged on 2019-06-05 11:55 diana_coman: lol! oglaf-style game doesn't even sound bad
1917403;1559802625;mircea_popescu;the problem with these is that they're all deeply persuaded, but i do mean DEEPLY, like, in the nephritic layer of their kidneys deep, that the ONE thing to do if you're making a game is rate-limit it.
1917404;1559802661;mircea_popescu;nfi how they got to this notion, "o, you know what the best thing to do would be ? if people wanna do things in our game... ADD TIMERS SO THEY CAN"T!!!"
1917405;1559802687;mircea_popescu;utter fucked in the head, scared by virtual, desperately needing some fake scarcity folk.
1917406;1559802709;mircea_popescu;it's so very unspeakably dumb if you think about it, wtf, LET PEOPLE PLAY. that's why the fuck you made it in the first place, yes ? so they play it ?
1917407;1559802946;mircea_popescu;dumb as it is, it's not merely widespread, it's universal. "the path to making money in a service economy is not at all doing exceptionally well at serving, but on the contrary, being a [http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/#selection-127.537-127.624][fucktarded romanian] and saying no all the time!"
1917408;1559803175;mircea_popescu;hmm, did i even recount the sad story of that typically moronic clerk ?
1917409;1559803431;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: I suspect the game will ...break if one plays it seriously; like most anything "done"
1917410;1559803454;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-05#1917318 << on contemplation : i can see the "don't be taking your own vows to the monastery [because god never heard of you]" in your quote ; but in honesty i was looking more for a "god is very obviouly on the side of the monastey (and if this isn't at all obvious to you [http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-05#1810302][that'd be a cause of concern]) [so don't be taking any vows to the monaster
1917411;1559803454;a111;Logged on 2019-06-05 15:46 asciilifeform: then plox to expand
1917412;1559803454;a111;Logged on 2018-05-05 21:05 mircea_popescu: cuz it's never dark, from inside. the amusing situation of classical eschatology is that lucifer simply forked the chain, and as best can tell is a very credible and not at all falen angel.
1917413;1559803455;mircea_popescu;y]"
1917414;1559803466;mircea_popescu;whether they're reducible to one another or not is a point i'm still waffly on, so.
1917415;1559803480;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, sure. of course it will.
1917416;1559803492;mircea_popescu;women will also break if played seriously, and companies and economies and rivers and FUCKING SCIENCE
1917417;1559803518;mircea_popescu;this is even why we play seriously : so as to have broken things that have been fixed (and broken again and fixed again, xn) rather than shiny untouched "things".
1917418;1559803577;diana_coman;eh, they wanted to make some money not to have to fix things!
1917419;1559803592;mircea_popescu;!Qlater tell phf hey props on your parser, it does right thing with context-supplementing bracket and link-anchoring bracked mixed in same line!
1917420;1559803592;lobbesbot;mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
1917421;1559803615;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, no, that's exactly what i'm saying. they wanted to "make money" sitting rather than to make money making money.
1917422;1559803667;diana_coman;and by "breaks" there I meant more like fundamentally break as in ...it's not really designed well; (because why design esp for "so that it can break and be repaired")
1917423;1559803678;mircea_popescu;no, i know. economy is fucked, yes.
1917424;1559803701;diana_coman;well yes, sitting while flapping about as to how not-sitting
1917425;1559803705;diana_coman;aha
1917426;1559803743;*;mircea_popescu is great expert at identifying breakage in "virtual economies". in fact, one thing that kept his interest in gaming alive past the single player neverwinter nights / gothic/ nox etc era.
1917427;1559803814;mircea_popescu;and guess what : femstate components always come up with the same "solutions", too.
1917428;1559803847;diana_coman;most game's economies as far I know are a sort of "feeling like an X economy" really
1917429;1559803871;diana_coman;'dat solution is tried and tested, yes? lolz
1917430;1559803879;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-05-23#687247 basically, aka http://trilema.com/2015/futurology-or-the-very-scary-story-of-how-doomed-you-are/#footnote_3_59906
1917431;1559803879;a111;Logged on 2014-05-23 17:33 benkay: the solution apparently is to ban naked short selling and protect the institutionalized idiocy that is the US paper transfer 'network'.
1917432;1559804074;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, tried, tested, known not to work, nevertheless "tested" again by [http://trilema.com/2012/and-another-one-bites-the-dust-bitmarketeu/#selection-69.0-81.311][every new cuntlet], on usual theory, "this idiocy is tested so often it must be good sense".
1917433;1559804134;diana_coman;heh; common sense!
1917434;1559804207;mircea_popescu;in fact, this is SO fucking ~biologically~ specific i'm even proposing it as the ~best currently known~ gender test. 1. female path : what are you going to do ? "im going to try X" why X ? "it's what everyone else tries". 2. male path : what are you going to do ? "i'm going to try Y" why Y ? "never fucking heard of it before"
1917435;1559804323;mircea_popescu;as per the "males -- born to die trying ; females -- born to carefully & spawn" theory of biological gender difference, it even makes sense. in any case, the included prediction : i say there's not going to be a better (oral ; over the internet) gender test.
1917436;1559804376;mircea_popescu;(i eminently do not say it has no failure rate. not even pregnancy tests make that sorta claim -- piss on one as a dude long enough you might be surprised eventually.)
1917437;1559804383;diana_coman;hm, I ...would have failed it even at ~12; but I see what you mean, provided that respondent actually gives /is aware of real answer.
1917438;1559804397;mircea_popescu;aha.
1917439;1559804444;mircea_popescu;#trilema solves the mystery of XX / XY notation!!!
1917440;1559804546;mircea_popescu;who knew ~this~ is the sorta thing a chromosome does. i swear i [http://trilema.com/2015/quantum-mechanics-today-a-machine-to-turn-penis-projectile-vibration-into-eyelash-flutter/][couldn't have said for looking at it] (and yes, spent >worldaverage amt of time looking at chromosomes).
1917441;1559805065;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-05#1917355 << i do not think data should be included with ffa ; while i do believe data should be included [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-28#1916059][with bitcoin]. the reason for the split is that i perceive a difference between design and implementation / algorithmics and code, so following. if you see peh as a sort of "packaging of this theory for consumption" then maybe worth including,
1917442;1559805065;a111;Logged on 2019-06-05 17:59 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, diana_coman , other maffs folx ^
1917443;1559805065;a111;Logged on 2019-05-28 22:16 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, thinkign about it, there's just no way to have a proper trb without the rainbows. and yes it'd be 32 gb, but so what. the point stands, there is a minimal bitcoin box.
1917444;1559805065;mircea_popescu;specifically with peh, as distinct from ffa.
1917445;1559805255;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-05#1917370 << well, checking blockchain also "not fastest method". but yes.
1917446;1559805255;a111;Logged on 2019-06-05 19:41 asciilifeform: ( obv. [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3386#selection-517.0-519.1][this method] is NOT fastest means to compute product of 1st n primes; it is not exactly secret what the first coupla mil primes are, and one could compute product in <1s , if taking what they are on faith. but illustrated method does not rely on 'magic #s' )
1917447;1559805358;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-05#1917383 << so hopefully you had enough sense to create relationships and undermine the usgistani "platform" rather than the converse, undermine your own sanity to feed usgistani "platform" your own guts ?
1917448;1559805358;a111;Logged on 2019-06-05 22:12 Mocky: tru but you could answer cash ads without id, and which I did a lot of last year
1917449;1559805469;mircea_popescu;if so, your created relationships / network you sucked out of them just became more valuable now. if not -- well let that be a fucking lesson to you already, right ? reddit exists [http://trilema.com/2014/spamming-reddit-an-experiment/][SOLELY] to suck its users off it (selectively, of course, they can keep their ninjashoguns) ; not to send it your blog readers.
1917450;1559805485;mircea_popescu;bitcoin exists to [http://trilema.com/2017/why-is-fighting-corruption-the-pantsuit-callsign/][corrupt] all around it, and all that. yes ?
1917451;1559805552;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-05#1917391 << successful success, right before the night comes, yeah.
1917452;1559805552;a111;Logged on 2019-06-05 22:16 asciilifeform has been to various 2ndhand irons shops (industrial, entirely disinterested in konsoomer rubbish) over past 20y, and erry single one , where talked to proprietor, 'i have this shop, but 90% of revenue is ebay'
1917453;1559805640;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-05#1917392 << wait, you ~had~ already found some, or am i woefully misunderstanding ? was this merely a theoretical possibility you were [http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-in-argentina-exactly-nothing-to-do-with-the-derps/][relying on] because saw on state media ?
1917454;1559805640;a111;Logged on 2019-06-05 22:17 Mocky: im not a proponent of inca platform. would love to find traders in raleigh some other way, but how to find?
1917455;1559805678;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-05#1917393 << then briefly thereafter, fold altogether, once ebay figures them out.
1917456;1559805678;a111;Logged on 2019-06-05 22:17 asciilifeform: ( typically they fold up and go straight-ebay when keeper wakes up to the fact that he pays rent for shop and sits in chair for mere 10% of his take... )
1917457;1559805698;mircea_popescu;path of easiest, what better way to end it all.
1917458;1559805760;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-05#1917394 << here's glass : 1. talk to all the girls ; 2. enslave the better ones. adjust as needed, s/girls/whatever/g
1917459;1559805760;a111;Logged on 2019-06-05 22:19 asciilifeform: Mocky: if i had bottle of 'become mircea_popescu' elixir, i'd share with you a glass. but as it is e.g. asciilifeform was entirely unable to get hold of bitcoin at all for many yrs, when could not find anyone who had it + would not deal with goxisms
1917460;1559805812;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-05#1917398 << nothing to laugh, it's exactly correct. the long standing slight margin on mining over trading is exactly this, "market participant voluntarily set cost of privacy".
1917461;1559805812;a111;Logged on 2019-06-05 22:25 asciilifeform: ( can laugh at this hypothesis if you like, but i can't think of how else to explain the still-palpable amt of minerism that happens ~outside~ of cn and other cheap-mains locales )
1917462;1559805822;mircea_popescu;because this is what bitcoin fucking does -- it creates real markets.
1917463;1559805851;mircea_popescu;properly, ie from the bottom up, not "invented by some government" (which is why they're "dark", ie, do not figure in bureaucrat's files) and which is also why they work and so forth and so on.
1917464;1559805952;mircea_popescu;currently you can put a much better price on privacy (and meaningful, too, as a % of the wealth involved -- contrary to what [http://trilema.com/2013/anonimity-not-for-the-poor/][the poortards imagine], privacy is not an abstract, privacy is strictly a function of money as a counter of value.
1917465;1559806043;mircea_popescu;you want privacy when you're [http://trilema.com/2011/cel-mai-adevarat-in-gangsta-rap/#selection-53.177-57.537][killing some dumb fuck], not when you're [http://trilema.com/2019/diviziuna-sexual-a-muncii-fetele-la-gym-io-la-vidya-%d0%9a%d0%b0%d0%ba-tot-acolo/][sitting with the vidya])
1917466;1559806087;mircea_popescu;because bitcoin exists. this is the very definition of market as an integration-of-value-symbolics metric.
1917467;1559806203;mircea_popescu;o wow, how cool am i, check me out, reached the end of logs!
1917468;1559806254;mircea_popescu;i guess that means the forbearance window's also closed on that stjohn_piano_2 dork.
1917469;1559806258;mircea_popescu;!!rated stjohn_piano_2
1917470;1559806258;deedbot;mircea_popescu has not rated stjohn_piano_2.
1917471;1559806287;mircea_popescu;!!rate stjohn_piano_2 -10 yet another self-sufferer / impudent lout.
1917472;1559806290;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/K0MbO/?raw=true
1917473;1559806315;mircea_popescu;!!reputation stjohn_piano_2 -10 yet another self-sufferer / impudent lout.
1917474;1559806316;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ruKZP/?raw=true
1917475;1559806463;mircea_popescu;!!down stjohn_piano_2
1917476;1559808633;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, it's funny how "sleek, modern" rounder corners etc bla bla always goes AWAY from productivity. firefox version 5 mn, five years ago or so i last looked, had a bar for url and a bar for search. firefox 4bn, latest vintage as of a few days ago -- no longer search bar. url bar only.
1917477;1559808690;mircea_popescu;(you can still add it, of course o fcourse. but you gotta add it.)
1917478;1559820183;Mocky;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-06#1917447 << indeed I did. It was good for that.
1917479;1559820183;a111;Logged on 2019-06-06 07:15 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-05#1917383 << so hopefully you had enough sense to create relationships and undermine the usgistani "platform" rather than the converse, undermine your own sanity to feed usgistani "platform" your own guts ?
1917480;1559820335;mircea_popescu;kinda the only thing pantsuit shitholes are good for, ye olde [http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-16#1699002][chick rescue].
1917481;1559820335;a111;Logged on 2017-08-16 17:30 mircea_popescu: when i was about six or so, visiting some relatives who had a farm, i discovered a romanian bareneck (kind of chicken) chick drowning in the sty efflux. so i picked it out, and it was a pet for a year or so and then made a great soup. rooster, too.
1917482;1559820341;Mocky;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-06#1917453 << I should restate as 'would love to continue finding new traders in the small market of raleigh...'
1917483;1559820341;a111;Logged on 2019-06-06 07:20 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-05#1917392 << wait, you ~had~ already found some, or am i woefully misunderstanding ? was this merely a theoretical possibility you were [http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-in-argentina-exactly-nothing-to-do-with-the-derps/][relying on] because saw on state media ?
1917484;1559820375;mircea_popescu;well... if all else fails can always take daytrip, to closest urban center.
1917485;1559820437;mircea_popescu;what's closest, new york i guess ?
1917486;1559820440;Mocky;swampistan! then what, how to find any there now?
1917487;1559820564;Mocky;this is theoretical, i'm not trying to build out my east coast trading volume. I think i'll be mostly buying here from auction
1917488;1559820691;*;mircea_popescu was vaguely consdiering sending a large wire for pizz again, on the grounds of this vague impression i have they're desperate for liquidity.
1917489;1559820703;Mocky;I just met a few cool people from LBC, like that guy who sold me a few grand of crumpled 20's out of his girls sequin'd 'stripper purse'
1917490;1559820705;mircea_popescu;is this wrong, should i jus tstfu so as not to ruin the small trades for interested ppls ?
1917491;1559820725;mircea_popescu;this isn't exactly cool, is it.
1917492;1559820738;mircea_popescu;entrepreneurial pimps, worst of the fucking lot.
1917493;1559820779;Mocky;i have a coin to repay mircea_popescu and now that i have what with to trade, expect to be a continuous bidder on piz auctions
1917494;1559820812;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, BingoBoingo how's the status, are you rather short or rather long dubaloo liquidity ?
1917495;1559821635;Mocky;re pimp, I have no gripe with the guy. as good trades with him as with anyone
1917496;1559821651;mircea_popescu;i just meant from the slutpurse carrier pov. but sure.
1917497;1559822230;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: will let BingoBoingo answr when he wakes up, i dun think i have the latest #s
1917498;1559822310;mircea_popescu;no rush in any case.
1917499;1559822329;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-06#1917441 << this is moar or less asciilifeform's exact position. mircea_popescu i rec. to glance at ch18, it has good picture of this (i.e. reader is not offered 'use this tape', is offered 'here's how to bake a primegen' ; instead of 'here's magic constant', given 'here's how it is made' etc )
1917500;1559822329;a111;Logged on 2019-06-06 07:11 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-05#1917355 << i do not think data should be included with ffa ; while i do believe data should be included [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-28#1916059][with bitcoin]. the reason for the split is that i perceive a difference between design and implementation / algorithmics and code, so following. if you see peh as a sort of "packaging of this theory for consumption" then maybe worth including,
1917501;1559822345;asciilifeform;*18c
1917502;1559822354;mircea_popescu;right.
1917503;1559822419;asciilifeform;ftr anyone who thinks 'i'ma use other people's tapes blindly' is gearing up for world of pain. peh is less an object like gpg and moar like surface-to-air rocket, reqs some basic grasp of what yer doing
1917504;1559822458;asciilifeform;i intend to make it reasonably painless to learn, but will i suspect always require some sweat. rather like e.g. v.
1917505;1559822561;asciilifeform;( re upstack, note that primegen.peh can be written without any long constants, i.e. generate primorial at warmup. this simply costs a coupla extra min. )
1917506;1559822627;asciilifeform;aand for that matter, if you were to put in a random turd instead of the primorial, you will still get valid primes, will simply take longer (i.e. the prefilter won't work)
1917507;1559822756;asciilifeform;while on subj : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Mg63b/?raw=true << pieces of latest (not yet complete) experiment. when fed to a 32768bit peh run, produces the 32768-bit primorial (i.e. shows that the 17 2048bit cuts actually multiply to it )
1917508;1559822816;asciilifeform;this will be to determine what is the diminishing-return point (gcd with 1, 2, ... , 17 pieces , for prefilter, and 1st 1MB from fg sample bin on nosuchlabs.com, for deterministic test; see what diff makes to the time needed to gen N primes )
1917509;1559822890;asciilifeform;( i.e.  cat tape.peh | ./bin/peh 32768 32 100000 0 dulap_1m.bin , in this scheme all '?' output is taken from the supplied file )
1917510;1559822942;asciilifeform;timing tests gotta use a snapshotted FG bin always, otherwise the variation in fg piss rate obscures the item being measured.
1917511;1559823008;asciilifeform;( if wasn't clear -- output of above tape, is equal to http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-05#1917369 )
1917512;1559823008;a111;Logged on 2019-06-05 19:33 asciilifeform: [http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/NDYhr/?raw=true][output] of subj, on the off-chance that anyone gives a damn.
1917513;1559823086;asciilifeform;exercise for readers : why 17 pieces, and not 16 !
1917514;1559823126;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-06#1917455 << this almost always happens.
1917515;1559823126;a111;Logged on 2019-06-06 07:21 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-05#1917393 << then briefly thereafter, fold altogether, once ebay figures them out.
1917516;1559823185;asciilifeform;( e.g. paypalism : generally the 'they store errything and froze acct' is a when, not if )
1917517;1559823300;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-06#1917460 << sorta why i see the asic thing as a serious failure. as i understand, the centralization of supply is extreme, and gettin' worse
1917518;1559823300;a111;Logged on 2019-06-06 07:23 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-05#1917398 << nothing to laugh, it's exactly correct. the long standing slight margin on mining over trading is exactly this, "market participant voluntarily set cost of privacy".
1917519;1559823333;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-06#1917468 << d00d has whole week+ to read the fuckign log
1917520;1559823333;a111;Logged on 2019-06-06 07:30 mircea_popescu: i guess that means the forbearance window's also closed on that stjohn_piano_2 dork.
1917521;1559823338;asciilifeform;*had
1917522;1559823385;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-06#1917476 << oddly enuff asciilifeform always hated the search bar, and never used, it (or was it only in mine?) had irritating bug where your search string stick around on the display after use
1917523;1559823385;a111;Logged on 2019-06-06 08:10 mircea_popescu: in other lulz, it's funny how "sleek, modern" rounder corners etc bla bla always goes AWAY from productivity. firefox version 5 mn, five years ago or so i last looked, had a bar for url and a bar for search. firefox 4bn, latest vintage as of a few days ago -- no longer search bar. url bar only.
1917524;1559823635;mircea_popescu;as per [http://trilema.com/2014/the-battlefield-of-the-future/#footnote_5_53044][that excellent ballas point], "if you're still working for the government, just with no pension" : usg.ebay is mroe than happy for you to do the difficult, risky and expensive part of its job (market research) -- and they'll gladly [http://trilema.com/2014/people-us-dollars-are-not-worth-a-fifth-of-a-bitcent-stop-selling/#selection-129.0-133.2
1917525;1559823636;mircea_popescu;][TAKE] the results, just as soon as there's something there to take.
1917526;1559823636;mircea_popescu;and take with a side helping of [http://trilema.com/2015/the-jerking-around-a-modern-bedtime-pattern/#selection-257.0-271.64][jerking around], of course. why not, it's free -- for them.
1917527;1559823660;asciilifeform;afaik it's the original item of this type aha
1917528;1559823670;asciilifeform;at least of www era
1917529;1559823701;mircea_popescu;which brings the matter full circle : all sorts of utterly impudent and entirely intolerable morons have historically produced oh-so-bright "protests" re bitcoin in the vein of "[http://trilema.com/2013/stage-n-bitcoin-exists/][oh, our masters would take it if it were worth it anything]"
1917530;1559823725;mircea_popescu;about anything else, that in fact their masters do so take, "real" estate, small business models, whatever -- not a peep.
1917531;1559823745;mircea_popescu;about the ONE THING they can't fucking take, yak yak yak all over again. why, because "for everything else it goes without saying" ?
1917532;1559823782;mircea_popescu;or perhaps because the "adverage" human strictly exists to forward the agenda of the empire of stupid, doing exactly nothing else all day the fuck long, like other inferior animals live to forward their genetic code and naught else ?
1917533;1559823792;asciilifeform;'yak' is the primary moving part in the 'taking' mechanism, neh. ( or at least the antibody marker... )
1917534;1559823828;mircea_popescu;you know ? double standard to the moon, "i'm going to be cheeky towards the sovereign and submissive towards the pretender", utterly ass-backwards worldview.
1917535;1559823876;mircea_popescu;"nobody does ill willingly" ? gimme a fucking break, seems the better definition for average human / subhuman (no, the two aren't distinct or distinguishable) readily reduces to "does nothing but ill".
1917536;1559823913;asciilifeform;enemy reaction to btc seems to resemble e.g. meat tryin' to digest an old bullet. 'maybe can't digest this but how about we coat it in immunoslime and maybe can pretend it aint there'
1917537;1559824135;mircea_popescu;mroe recently. back in 2014 it was a lot of "bullet is meat too!!!"
1917538;1559824159;asciilifeform;indeed
1917539;1559824180;asciilifeform;and after that, the weird thing with 'let's make an alt-bullet from meat, digest it, and pretend did something to the orig' etc
1917540;1559824189;mircea_popescu;you know ?
1917541;1559824214;mircea_popescu;can suspect them of anything but intelligence.
1917542;1559824655;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-06#1917519 << two, actually. didn't you voice him mid-may ?
1917543;1559824655;a111;Logged on 2019-06-06 12:15 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-06#1917468 << d00d has whole week+ to read the fuckign log
1917544;1559824666;asciilifeform;!#born stjohn_piano_2
1917545;1559824666;a111;2019-05-16 <stjohn_piano_2> thanks asciilifeform for the !!up >> http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-16#1913645
1917546;1559824670;asciilifeform;apparently!
1917547;1559824683;asciilifeform;( iirc claimed to have been tuned in silently for year+, even )
1917548;1559824759;asciilifeform;the most irritating numbskullism from this 1 imho is where he plugged his bot into human nick -- srsly, never noticed that no one else did this ? or, what, 'i'ma preshus snowflake and why shouldn't i'
1917549;1559824870;mircea_popescu;someone explained somewhere the popup-human interaction, drom the chairwarmer pov : "perceives it as roadblock, clicks it away like his grandfather cut a clearing through bushes"
1917550;1559824922;mircea_popescu;kinda how "feel fast" langs and all the rest ends up built -- all sorta morons and assorted chuckas perceiving roadblocks around them.
1917551;1559824932;mircea_popescu;"this stove is keeping me from having good food!"
1917552;1559824987;asciilifeform;[http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-12#1601898][oblignaggum]
1917553;1559824987;a111;Logged on 2017-01-12 14:26 asciilifeform: '...suppose you drive down the highway and you suddenly want to go some nice place you saw just before you pass a forest.  you veer off the road, plunge into the wilderness and promptly decide that you need four-wheel drive, a huge cutting device in front of your car, much better shock absorbers, a bigger engine that could actually run on swamp water instead of getting all drowned, and then need an amphibious vehicle to get across the 
1917554;1559828422;auctionbot;Buy order # 1049: 2835 WFF, Wire Only Heard: 390mn from jurov. Ending: 2019-06-09 12:19:43.167056 UTC (82 hours 31 mins)
1917555;1559833956;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-06#1917507 ( and yes it'll be in next article... ) :
1917556;1559833956;a111;Logged on 2019-06-06 12:05 asciilifeform: while on subj : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Mg63b/?raw=true << pieces of latest (not yet complete) experiment. when fed to a 32768bit peh run, produces the 32768-bit primorial (i.e. shows that the 17 2048bit cuts actually multiply to it )
1917557;1559834019;asciilifeform;[http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/qablG/?raw=true][primgen_multipart_primorial.peh] ; [http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/KU0MG/?raw=true][conventional single-shot (equiv. to ch18c example)] ; vs [http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/lPmag/?raw=true][all 17 chunks of 32768-bit primorial] .
1917558;1559834048;asciilifeform;for both cases, 'rng' was file of first 1MB from http://nosuchlabs.com/fg/nosuchlabs_FG_1024MB_phreesample.bin .
1917559;1559834121;asciilifeform;spoiler : economy not significant (in this ~one~, they are effectively one, rngistically) test , eight 2048bit 'prob primes' shat in 4m26.812s vs 3m52.591s respectively.
1917560;1559834187;asciilifeform;nao it ~is~ possible that in avg case ( again, if not obv, the above could easily be a fluke, given as whole algo is monte carlo ) there is greater economy.
1917561;1559834191;asciilifeform;will need moar test.
1917562;1559834211;asciilifeform;^ mircea_popescu et al
1917563;1559834348;asciilifeform;in the ordinary 2048bit primorial , 632 invocations of m-r ; in the elephant primorial, 535 .
1917564;1559834443;asciilifeform;ftr almost all of that 1MB of bottled entropy, actually gets eaten in both runs (it is used not only to get candidates , recall, but to generate m-r witness for ea. shot of m-r )
1917565;1559834551;asciilifeform;from either 632 / 535, subtract the 32 that the 'winner' consumes, to get # of m-r performed on eventually-rejected candidates.
1917566;1559834758;asciilifeform;1 moar hypothesis : on boxes where very slow rng (e.g. fg unavailable ) or where heavily milked fg, generating e.g. ephemeral rsa privs with high frequency, economy may be much greater, as fewer doomed m-r shots means fewer '?' invocations for their witnesses gen.
1917567;1559835536;asciilifeform;for completeness : [http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/QgK4u/?raw=true][output from variant with only sections 1 .. 8 of the multiprimorial] ; eight 2048bit primes in 4m10.188s .
1917568;1559835596;asciilifeform;^ 586 m-r shots.
1917569;1559835650;asciilifeform;this experiment is fully reproducible by anyone with ch19 pressed and copy of the fg demo bin turd.
1917570;1559835936;*;asciilifeform digs for diana_coman's...
1917571;1559836018;asciilifeform;loox like diana_coman also used 2048b primes in test of diana_comantronic system ; [http://ossasepia.com/2018/01/04/eucrypt-chapter-4-random-prime-number-generator/#selection-185.189-185.356]['A relatively short test run obtained 40 random primes of 2048 bits each in 13274 seconds in total (3.7 hours) meaning on average 331.85 seconds per prime (~6 minutes)'] and diana_coman's 'winner' gets 16 shots; but caveats, a) we have diff iron
1917572;1559836018;asciilifeform;s b) diana_coman was using a live fg rather than bottle
1917573;1559836194;asciilifeform;iirc -- it is possible to run diana_coman's mechanism from a bottle. sadly i dun have enuff hands just nao , to attempt
1917574;1559836646;*;asciilifeform could've sworn there was a thread, and not long ago, where diana_coman said on what iron this was done. but cannot nao find it in O(1) !
1917575;1559836956;*;asciilifeform meanwhile [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-27#1905188][found subj]
1917576;1559836956;a111;Logged on 2019-03-27 19:49 diana_coman: on that d1 intel from http://ossasepia.com/2019/02/28/zcx-vs-sjlj-data-set/#selection-113.0-113.85 the tests of eucrypt that generate a key pair take at times ~20 min, just to give an idea
1917577;1559837563;asciilifeform;!!unrate stjohn_piano_2
1917578;1559837565;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Bp8rZ/?raw=true
1917579;1559837639;asciilifeform;!!v 0BBBBEA33925719147FFE1DD3BCAC6F5928BE4C1193CBACEFA0C96EB8ADFB5FD
1917580;1559837639;deedbot;asciilifeform unrated stjohn_piano_2.
1917581;1559837775;asciilifeform;[http://www.loper-os.org/pub/crapple_hiss.mp3][meanwhile, in heathendom]
1917582;1559839650;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-06#1917494 << Right now we are neither particularly short or long on dubaloos. Working on baking the statement.
1917583;1559839650;a111;Logged on 2019-06-06 11:33 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, BingoBoingo how's the status, are you rather short or rather long dubaloo liquidity ?
1917584;1559840001;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-06#1917490 << The long USD position was during the recent market bottom. Now datacenter needs paid monthly again and I don't know if going USD long is the most prudent decision. Jurov put in a bid for the DC wire, and I'm curious if the bidding will get more heated near the end as it did with the smaller 500 USD auctions.
1917585;1559840001;a111;Logged on 2019-06-06 11:31 mircea_popescu: is this wrong, should i jus tstfu so as not to ruin the small trades for interested ppls ?
1917586;1559840372;BingoBoingo;Right now I'm inclined to see if we start getting the OTC market going here that -otc doesn't have
1917587;1559840873;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-06#1917487 << I imagine there's not much room to be corrupting Raleigh or the East Coast USA one local trade at a time. In contrast each local trade in Uruguay can chip away at the USDubaloo position as the local reserve currency.
1917588;1559840873;a111;Logged on 2019-06-06 11:29 Mocky: this is theoretical, i'm not trying to build out my east coast trading volume. I think i'll be mostly buying here from auction
1917589;1559841750;BingoBoingo;In local drug bust lols, Where are the big bills? http://archive.is/ar5MY
1917590;1559841803;asciilifeform;spent, lol
1917591;1559841844;BingoBoingo;Possible. I'm inclined to suspect there weren't any big bills.
1917592;1559841890;asciilifeform;mebbe all spent on that museum piece rifle
1917593;1559841953;asciilifeform;... and that .30 , it had to come long way from hitler's bunker
1917594;1559842792;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Most of the bustable drug trade appears to occur at the level of cuidadocoches and the immediate next level up. Would not be surprised if the rifle was acquired with 50 and 20 peso notes.
1917595;1559843208;asciilifeform;wtf is with 'peso notes' , incidentally, i thought the One Troo Unit of underground currency were the benjie
1917596;1559843283;asciilifeform;... evidently this is the 'new gen' of dope people, as pictured in [http://trilema.com/2013/youre-the-guy-who-wasnt-good-enough-to-sling-dope/][mircea_popescu's piece]
1917597;1559843335;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Depends on where they are on the pyramid. If they do retail in Uruguay, they only ever see small bills.
1917598;1559843369;asciilifeform;for what does ground level retailer need the mosin ?
1917599;1559843651;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: By appearances this would be a "boca de pasta" that keeps the folks on the ground supplied.
1917600;1559843656;asciilifeform;a.
1917601;1559843680;BingoBoingo;What the police would call here "a warehouse"
1917602;1559843787;BingoBoingo;The white stuff appears to mostly be "pasta base" i.e. solvent waste from cocaine processing that happens to have just enough cocaine to be marketable to the abjectly poor but not enough cocaine to economically recover for powdering.
1917603;1559843825;asciilifeform;sounds rather like the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-05#1858675 item
1917604;1559843825;a111;Logged on 2018-10-05 18:06 asciilifeform: btw according to 1 source, the opium people were actually 'class-stratified' in that poorfucks smoked 'recycled' crud, containing moar morphine , and got stupider ( vs the elite, who took in 'prime' material, never heated previously )
1917605;1559843865;asciilifeform;potentially -- entirely diff. dope, in effect... if only gabriel_laddel were here, could answer this puzzler.
1917606;1559843904;BingoBoingo;But he's probably not here for instead having answered a different puzzler.
1917607;1559843913;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile in Mining and Ministries https://www.montevideo.com.uy/Noticias/La-Dinamige-entre-la-superpoblacion-de-gatos-y-problemas-de-higiene-segun-gremio-uc720542
1917608;1559843917;asciilifeform;lol
1917609;1559845234;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/06/exim-remotely-exploitable-most-machines-online-and-running-a-mail-transfer-agent-ready-to-run-other-peoples-code/ << Qntra -- Exim Remotely Exploitable: Most Machines Online And Running A Mail Transfer Agent Ready To Run Other People's Code
1917610;1559845299;BingoBoingo;^ From the taking the NO out of NOBUS files
1917611;1559845336;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo, do you perchance happen to recall which trilema article had a gif of SLUT spelled in pink glitter ?
1917612;1559845408;BingoBoingo;Fuck, my gut says the year is 2014. I remember, can dig. My gut is also suggesting the Vessenes Bitcoin Foundation with a low probability.
1917613;1559845421;asciilifeform;iirc this was 1 of the 'elliott' pieces
1917614;1559845430;asciilifeform;iirc the next-to-last
1917615;1559845504;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2016/the-story-of-elliot-rodger-by-elliot-rodger-adnotated-part-three/
1917616;1559845506;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu ^
1917617;1559845584;asciilifeform;grr i was quite certain it was in next-to-last chapter, lol
1917618;1559845625;BingoBoingo;And the gut was wrong
1917619;1559845643;mircea_popescu;yay tybm!
1917620;1559845648;asciilifeform;np
1917621;1559845735;*;asciilifeform doesn't have quite all of mircea_popescu's www in l0 braincache; it's pretty heavy
1917622;1559845774;mircea_popescu;we're stuck pooling -- neither do i.
1917623;1559849917;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/06/madame-secretary-pompeo-leaks-usg-failed-politically-in-venezuela/ << Qntra -- Madame Secretary Pompeo Leaks: USG Failed Politically In Venezuela
1917624;1559851404;hanbot;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-06#1917408 << http://trilema.com/2019/la-omu-sarac/#selection-51.530-59.759
1917625;1559851404;a111;Logged on 2019-06-06 06:39 mircea_popescu: hmm, did i even recount the sad story of that typically moronic clerk ?
1917626;1559851433;mircea_popescu;a ty!
1917627;1559858980;BingoBoingo;In the latest of local developments, yet another cop killed. Fourth this year, second this week. The Police officer
1917628;1559858993;BingoBoingo;'s syndicate is meeting
1917629;1559879086;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/the-state-of-the-vidya-address/ << Trilema -- The "State of the Vidya" Address.
1917630;1559881168;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in other trilema lulz -- http://mercenaries.pw
1917631;1559881940;asciilifeform;'MERCENARIES TO KILL' << english-as-she-is-spoken(tm)(r) lel
1917632;1559882095;mircea_popescu;TRUE TRANSDERMAL MACHINE GUNNSING
1917633;1559882432;asciilifeform;incidentally, re 'valve co.', and also elliotisms, didjaknow -- it appears to have been named for... an actual valve. as in, 1 of those nyc-style steam main valves, as big as a desk, it is ceremonially mounted in their house...
1917634;1559882460;mircea_popescu;ok, i guess...
1917635;1559882468;asciilifeform;asciilifeform's brother once had occasion to go there, and confirmed, it is there, and even oiled, turns..
1917636;1559882483;asciilifeform;afaik they had 2 playable gamez, 'halflife' and 'portal'.
1917637;1559882503;asciilifeform;both decade+ vintage , i think, by nao.
1917638;1559882512;mircea_popescu;i don't like shooter sims.
1917639;1559882526;asciilifeform;'portal' wasn't quite 'shooter' in usual sense
1917640;1559882534;asciilifeform;( sorta how 'thief' wasnt )
1917641;1559882547;mircea_popescu;a
1917642;1559882557;asciilifeform;'halflife' -- shooter.
1917643;1559882692;asciilifeform;in re: those browser gamez -- the 1080 is 'shooting fly with cannon' for these, they'd happily run on e.g. rk (or prolly even 486..)
1917644;1559882762;mircea_popescu;yup.
1917645;1559882784;mircea_popescu;thing could mine more bitcoin than the damned things are worth.
1917646;1559882785;asciilifeform;fwiw asciilifeform's 'i'ma build gamez box!11' adventure from 2y ago, ended very similarly to mircea_popescu's : that box is cold nao an' waiting for when asciilifeform next time needs to route a pcb
1917647;1559882811;asciilifeform;or whatever else horsepower-heavy chore
1917648;1559882837;mircea_popescu;pretty fucking sad.
1917649;1559882843;asciilifeform;verily.
1917650;1559882848;mircea_popescu;i can't help remembering the 90s.
1917651;1559882870;asciilifeform;'why the fuck did i just burn 2k dubloon to build box on which nao playing 'amiga' emulator gamez'
1917652;1559882906;mircea_popescu;honestly i don't mind owning the hardware.
1917653;1559882912;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: '90s, to asciilifeform , era synonymous with the troo game.
1917654;1559882912;mircea_popescu;it's so well made.
1917655;1559882923;mircea_popescu;rather spend on this than say "art"
1917656;1559882948;asciilifeform;no one ever said 'i wish i did not have this spare iron' lol
1917657;1559882998;mircea_popescu;aha
1917658;1559883142;*;asciilifeform bbl:meats
1917659;1559906659;mircea_popescu;nicoleci, hey, make an account on http://trilema.com/2019/the-state-of-the-vidya-address/#comment-129346 forum and ask the guy whether he's amenable to sell out to us.
1917660;1559906799;nicoleci;mircea_popescu, yes, Master
1917661;1559935535;BingoBoingo;The aging Lafond met with the family (archived lest it disappear into "print") http://archive.is/QgrQg
1917662;1559935561;mircea_popescu;thanks god for our archival service
1917663;1559935584;mircea_popescu;(here god stands for lobbes an'... spyked doing it too iirc ?)
1917664;1559935623;asciilifeform;meanwhile, thinking moar re [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-06#1917571][this item] : the two tests make roughly comparable demand on rng: 3582 * (2048 / 8) byte == 916992 bytes (single 2048 gcd) ; 3155 * (2048 / 8) == 807680 byte ;
1917665;1559935623;a111;Logged on 2019-06-06 15:46 asciilifeform: loox like diana_coman also used 2048b primes in test of diana_comantronic system ; [http://ossasepia.com/2018/01/04/eucrypt-chapter-4-random-prime-number-generator/#selection-185.189-185.356]['A relatively short test run obtained 40 random primes of 2048 bits each in 13274 seconds in total (3.7 hours) meaning on average 331.85 seconds per prime (~6 minutes)'] and diana_coman's 'winner' gets 16 shots; but caveats, a) we have diff iron
1917666;1559935650;asciilifeform;given room temp fg @ 7.5 kByte/s , this is ~119 and ~105 sec. of fg , respectively, in avg case
1917667;1559935711;asciilifeform;given that asciilifeform does not buffer fg ( exercise for reader: why not? ) these waits do not happen in parallel with the computation, and by all rights ought to expect that a live-fg test (not yet performed) can be expected to take longer by the above interval, vs. the bottled-entropy test pictured in yest. thrd.
1917668;1559935969;asciilifeform;( btw mircea_popescu in old thread correctly intuited that you Do Not Want to buffer an fg, but i dun think either of us ever wrote explicitly why )
1917669;1559936116;mircea_popescu;oh he INTUITED, did he.
1917670;1559936173;asciilifeform;imho the correct answ. is obv. if one thinks about it.
1917671;1559936367;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in retrospect, prolly we oughta have made'em daisy-chainable. w/out bufferism it is somewhat tricky to use multiple fg to get fatter stream.
1917672;1559936421;mircea_popescu;imo output is plenty
1917673;1559936438;mircea_popescu;you want industrial thoroughput for some kind of scientific megaapplication, use the crystals.
1917674;1559936447;mircea_popescu;for the needs of desktop crypto this is perfectly calibrated.
1917675;1559936461;asciilifeform;for pgp-style rsaism, imho entirely plenty.
1917676;1559936506;asciilifeform;for systems like mircea_popescu's eulora rsa tho, possibly one'd want >7.5kB/s , but possibly also suffices.
1917677;1559936517;mircea_popescu;yes well, just as soon as someone wants to do all-visible-celestial-bodies montecarloisims / novel protein folding etc -- can pay you to do the lyso array
1917678;1559936523;mircea_popescu;decent consulting gig, $1mn budged A++
1917679;1559936550;asciilifeform;lyso-fg is about 20bux moar unit cost than classical. but i dun have the free hands atm.
1917680;1559936566;mircea_popescu;not the point
1917681;1559936725;asciilifeform;primary win imho from a hypothetical 'fast fg' isn't even any of this, but that it is faster to test
1917682;1559936737;mircea_popescu;lolz
1917683;1559936745;mircea_popescu;that's a thought! "save my own time!"
1917684;1559936779;asciilifeform;lol not simply 'factory test', but erry other test.
1917685;1559936791;asciilifeform;( i test mine when plugged in from shelf , can't speak for other folx )
1917686;1559936985;asciilifeform;... at any rate, 'peh' will continue to use the single-fg eater (as depicted in ch8, it hasn't changed) unless someone shows very good reason why it ought to be made moar complex and eat >1.
1917687;1559937025;asciilifeform;( and, readers will recall, it eats strictly on-demand, when '?' operator invoked, and uses no threads or any bufferism beyond 'fill this here fz from /dev/wherever' .
1917688;1559937028;asciilifeform;)
1917689;1559937087;asciilifeform;[http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/hypertext/ch19/ffa_rng__adb.htm#43_14][mechanism], for thread-completeness.
1917690;1559937971;asciilifeform;since mircea_popescu mentioned 'lyso-fg' -- ftr if mircea_popescu ever comes to conclusion that we oughta bake one, it's all drawn up.
1917691;1559937981;asciilifeform;as of 1+yr ago.
1917692;1559937990;asciilifeform;'fleet in being'(tm)(r)
1917693;1559937997;mircea_popescu;ikr ? pretty cool.
1917694;1559939775;asciilifeform;( the 1 annoying aspect of lysotronic fg as currently drawn, is that it gets the +45v bias voltage for the detector, from batteries, as asciilifeform does not know of a 'rng safe' method to generate it from +5 without oscillators )
1917695;1559940451;asciilifeform;it needs veehehery small current, on the order of a coupla microamps
1917696;1559941129;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, http://www.nordsheroesofthenorth.com/cgi-sys/suspendedpage.cgi
1917697;1559941590;asciilifeform;what was this ? ( a mud ? )
1917698;1559941969;diana_coman;asciilifeform: my test was with bits directly read from fg, not buffered (if it wasn't clear); also fwiw further timings and tests are still on my list - it's just that my hands are/have been rather overflowing with eulora
1917699;1559942001;asciilifeform;diana_coman: right, this was my inference from the orig article, your run time includes the wait for fg to emit
1917700;1559942032;diana_coman;on the bright side, ffa is such a contrast to euloran client to make digesting FFA a break in itself
1917701;1559942057;diana_coman;"a break" as in taking a break (from the mess)
1917702;1559942071;asciilifeform;ffa is much smaller , indeed, item than diana_coman's 3d lib dig
1917703;1559942173;diana_coman;it's much more sanely structured so one CAN actually understand it, you know; that's the main thing; not to mention it's ...worth getting it into one's head to start with; anyway, unless I end up writing a blogpost on "why size is really not all re code", it's probably enough to say it's saner really.
1917704;1559942221;asciilifeform;reminds me : current loc (sans blank lines) : 4010 (libff) , 2087 (peh)
1917705;1559942224;asciilifeform;as of ch19.
1917706;1559942249;asciilifeform;diana_coman: this was the design objective, yes. is meant for people to eat.
1917707;1559942320;asciilifeform;( re eulora, as i currently understand diana_coman's main work atm is an excavation, similar to trb circa '15, of heathen coad )
1917708;1559942343;*;asciilifeform brb:teatime
1917709;1559942387;diana_coman;funnily enough (though quite usual in my xp) precisely after I complained re the left/right confusion, I had now the pleasant surprise to find out that meanwhile my brain sorted it really; I suspect it was more that initially I did not realise that there was a mismatch rather than the actual changing of convention; getting back to it was fine.
1917710;1559942490;diana_coman;asciilifeform: bundled (excavation + replacement + change of quite fundamental stuff) so possibly yes.
1917711;1559942617;diana_coman;just for any log readers around: this is not yet the 3d lib at all; it's JUST the planeshift client really, still.
1917712;1559942800;diana_coman;btw asciilifeform ch14 and esp the 14Abis (the bounds proof for barrett's reduction) were a pleasure to read.
1917713;1559942869;*;diana_coman will be back tomorrow
1917714;1559944245;asciilifeform;ty diana_coman . happy to hear that it was edible ( iirc yours is the 1st report. )
1917715;1559944509;asciilifeform;barrett is admittedly slightly tricky to 'load into head', but it's where we beat the living shit out of koch et al speedwise (for some reason they never bothered to bake a barrett, even tho [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2842#selection-477.43-479.29][method was known since '86]
1917716;1559958229;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-07#1917697 << some kinda game. it's fascinating to me, how these things die.
1917717;1559958229;a111;Logged on 2019-06-07 21:06 asciilifeform: what was this ? ( a mud ? )
1917718;1559958241;mircea_popescu;kinda how it's fascinating to me how all sorta things end these days.
1917719;1559958254;mircea_popescu;nothing seems to ever live up in death to the pretenses it puts up while alive.
1917720;1559958418;asciilifeform;iirc mircea_popescu had piece where he got hold of a lolpad or the like, installed buncha '2 chinese d00dz on a napkin'-type gamez, and 6mo later all 'eggog, cannot connect to serv' etc
1917721;1559958461;mircea_popescu;aha.
1917722;1559958567;mircea_popescu;it's just... look, i guess a preoccupation with gravestones and old musty writs and whatall else is to some degree a professional deformation / professionalized mental issue. but nevertheless, consider : slashdot. fucking slashdot, yes, the people who named the site so that lamers couldn't tell it each other over the phone, calling each other from the video store (which, face it, early ,com internet was 100% videostore cle
1917723;1559958569;mircea_popescu;rks)
1917724;1559958597;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is moar 'life cycle of fruit fly' than 'ancient stones' imho
1917725;1559958598;mircea_popescu;sells in the end for 1,5mn or some shit. that site fucking owned the internet before altavista could return a search page on "google"
1917726;1559958617;mircea_popescu;gigaom, this "big deal" specialist/experiencialist/entrepreneur/moasa-sa pe gheata.
1917727;1559958663;mircea_popescu;just went away. arianna huffington, right, "mover and shaker", america's most politially influential whatever the fuck dumb cunt, right /
1917728;1559958667;mircea_popescu;all these big deals were here at some point. at some point in my lifetime. frankly, it doesn't seem so much earlier than today's breakfast.
1917729;1559958693;mircea_popescu;tons and tons of fruit flies with driveways and car payments, pretending to granite gravestones and "a normal life". THEY'RE FUCKING FLIES.
1917730;1559958877;mircea_popescu;as per hanbot's http://trilema.com/2013/of-men-and-mice/#selection-213.79-213.92
1917731;1559961222;mircea_popescu;http://legendsofpersia.com << wants 20 bucks on steam, meanwhile cant' afford a mysql install.
1917732;1559961254;mircea_popescu;they've gotten cheeky btw, i recall the furore when blizzard dared break the tacit "no game shall cost over 19.95". by now ? 80 euros (ie, aboyut a benjie).
1917733;1559961267;mircea_popescu;doesn't seem a bridge too far for plenty of these.
1917734;1559961284;mircea_popescu;how the fuck are they gonna make a game worth half a 32 inch monitor is anyone's fucking guess.
1917735;1559961436;mircea_popescu;https://www.sosgame.com/ << other sduch lulz. "We are saddened to share that SOS and SOS: Classic has been permanently shut down. However you can use this website to play free Slot Games and win $25 per day by simply spending time on this website. [...] Free slots were created as a consequence of a growing need of the market to play slots..."
1917736;1559961476;mircea_popescu;for the record, there is NO MARKET and absolutely no fucking need for slots games/machines/whatever. they're the contemporary equivalent of buggy whips
1917737;1559961536;mircea_popescu;item existed at a certain point because from one hand technology sucked just enough to be able to make that kinda blinkenlichten box but no better ; and from the other hand because country bumpkin were just bored enough at home on the farm to find the box entertaining.
1917738;1559961559;mircea_popescu;neither premises are any longer true, the slots "market" is like the disco pants / 70s hairdos market.
1917739;1559961579;asciilifeform;evidently 'satoshi dice' dead, but the 9000 clones -- notyet
1917740;1559961618;asciilifeform;there's a reason these figure prominently in spamola of erry type, tho, hard to picture anyone with two working neurons playing
1917741;1559961711;mircea_popescu;idiot vegas, followed the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-06#1917455 blueprint to the t : replaced the "expensive to run" games, the poker with its cigars and the craps with the whores and the hustlers with slots.
1917742;1559961711;a111;Logged on 2019-06-06 07:21 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-05#1917393 << then briefly thereafter, fold altogether, once ebay figures them out.
1917743;1559961733;mircea_popescu;"oh, we're making so much money now [burning down the oilfields]". lasted for what, ten-fifteen years, now it's fucking dead.
1917744;1559961748;mircea_popescu;"oh, but we moved to asia". yeah, great fucking plan.
1917745;1559961860;asciilifeform;of all the things that decayed from 'expensive to run' to 'casual monkey drops coin in slot', imho gambling is the least surprising
1917746;1559961895;asciilifeform;elementarily moar poor idjits interested in the basic proposition than non-idjits
1917747;1559961934;mircea_popescu;this is not so. gambling in the old style, along with prostitution and not listening to your parents were traditionally important pillars of republic.
1917748;1559961936;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu iirc had a piece re why poker , how it was a social circle thing for the rich, and then not. so, unsurprise, coin machines
1917749;1559961951;asciilifeform;right , was described in ^
1917750;1559961964;asciilifeform;but then somehow went away, leaving the straight 'dice ops'
1917751;1559962020;mircea_popescu;well, "fighting corruption", right ? uppity dweebs, went into poker room to dump their edgecase links.
1917752;1559962079;asciilifeform;for all i know, the actual elites still play poker just like in 19th c, in closed room. while in vegas the 'aspirational' morons 'us, too'
1917753;1559962188;mircea_popescu;in other lulz : apparently cca 2016 steam had a "run windows titles under linux" thing.
1917754;1559962192;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, died and buried.
1917755;1559962198;asciilifeform;i dun expect the latter have any bidirectional connection to the former, any moar than the rats which eat mircea_popescu's leftovers in dumpster, have any effect on mircea_popescu's kitchen per se
1917756;1559962212;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it did, i even got 'portal' to run at one pt
1917757;1559962220;asciilifeform;unsurprised that it died
1917758;1559962250;mircea_popescu;i imagine it was a major loss leader
1917759;1559962272;asciilifeform;i suspect it was a 'techie' 'wouldn't it be 13337 if we...' featurism
1917760;1559962288;asciilifeform;these live for as long as the maintainer feels like maintaining, on his lunch breaks
1917761;1559962325;*;asciilifeform bbl:meat
1917762;1559969994;BingoBoingo;In old country news, flood waters are approaching 1993 levels, but no one has managed to break anyone else's walls though some enterprising urban youth tried to wash out their town
1917763;1559991226;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, in "decay of sanity under pressure from the organized & militant ustards" : http://archive.is/3j1pW#selection-605.112-605.216
1917764;1559991236;mircea_popescu;note that the process ~has been slow~
1917765;1559991272;mircea_popescu;but if we live in a shit world today, it's in no small part because ~everyone has neglected to crush bitchslap the provincialist lobby lo these many decades.
1917766;1559994581;mircea_popescu;in other news, the russkis apparently made a vampire-succubus-orc mod for king's bounty while nobody was looking.
1917767;1559994586;*;mircea_popescu is well lost to reason.
1917768;1559996798;hanbot;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-08#1917763 << haha check out the scare-quotes on supposedly sacred institution: Publishers in Japan argue that the graphic depiction of underage boys and girls having sexual relations in manga doesn’t necessarily exploit real children, and that such a move would infringe on someone’s “freedom of expression.”
1917769;1559996798;a111;Logged on 2019-06-08 10:53 mircea_popescu: meanwhile, in "decay of sanity under pressure from the organized & militant ustards" : http://archive.is/3j1pW#selection-605.112-605.216
1917770;1559996830;mircea_popescu;it's been the pantsuit kick for the past few years, "hurr durr nignogs matter, herp derp freedoms dont"
1917771;1559998173;hanbot;sure. i'm used to seeing freedom used on slavemaker apparati like stickers proclaiming some homeopathic garbage is detoxifying or whatever, though. FREEDOM!!1 Eat it and live forever, pleb! rare to see it approached like the foreign, dead carcass i suppose it actually has become, like this, poked with a stick from a distance, "freedom of expression".
1917772;1559998291;mircea_popescu;ya well.
1917773;1559998343;mircea_popescu;as [http://trilema.com/2014/the-nigger-a-practical-exercise/#selection-151.53-151.106][anil dash] would no doubt wish to know, "are you even familiar with the redemption cycles in that culture".
1917774;1560002351;auctionbot;Buy order # 1048: 500 WFF, WU esta bien Heard: 75mn from Mocky outbidding PeterL. Ending: 2019-06-09 12:19:30.974170 UTC (34 hours 12 mins)
1917775;1560007578;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in sad lulz, the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-08#1917766 item most eminently does not live up to the legacy of the name ; there's none of that exquisite attention to detail that made the original. the dialogue's terrible, both in conception as implementation, the maps are shoddily made...
1917776;1560007578;a111;Logged on 2019-06-08 11:49 mircea_popescu: in other news, the russkis apparently made a vampire-succubus-orc mod for king's bounty while nobody was looking.
1917777;1560007580;mircea_popescu;such a pity.
1917778;1560008402;mircea_popescu;!!unrate ckang
1917779;1560008404;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/mivHR/?raw=true
1917780;1560008763;mircea_popescu;!!unrate thenewdeal
1917781;1560008766;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1IuVr/?raw=true
1917782;1560008776;mircea_popescu;!!unrate vragnaroda
1917783;1560008779;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ROBzr/?raw=true
1917784;1560008784;mircea_popescu;!!unrate readerr
1917785;1560008787;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/CC0aj/?raw=true
1917786;1560008794;mircea_popescu;!!unrate seanriddle
1917787;1560008797;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/xf62K/?raw=true
1917788;1560008801;mircea_popescu;!!unrate Tea_
1917789;1560008803;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/xxWhV/?raw=true
1917790;1560008809;mircea_popescu;!!unrate amberglint
1917791;1560008811;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/8FWHx/?raw=true
1917792;1560008819;mircea_popescu;!!rated cnomad
1917793;1560008820;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated cnomad 1 at 2018/06/12 21:46:46 << dood either ran off with my boards or else produced an image of some sort ; we don't know the future yet
1917794;1560008837;mircea_popescu;!!rate cnomad -10 thief.
1917795;1560008840;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/8V4oi/?raw=true
1917796;1560008848;mircea_popescu;!!unrate davout
1917797;1560008850;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/oe5Gr/?raw=true
1917798;1560008856;mircea_popescu;!!unrate mother[m]
1917799;1560008859;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ATY1x/?raw=true
1917800;1560008864;mircea_popescu;!!unrate mpoe
1917801;1560008867;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/tO5di/?raw=true
1917802;1560008871;mircea_popescu;!!unrate nikki_ff
1917803;1560008874;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/h49tI/?raw=true
1917804;1560008912;mircea_popescu;!!unrate valentinbuza
1917805;1560008915;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/CJykO/?raw=true
1917806;1560008919;mircea_popescu;!!unrate zineking
1917807;1560008922;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/WneUD/?raw=true
1917808;1560010387;BingoBoingo;!Xview 1048
1917809;1560010387;auctionbot;Buy order #  1048: 500 WFF, WU esta bien Opening: 154mn ecu Leading Bid: 75mn ecu Ending: 2019-06-09 12:19:30.974170 UTC (31 hours 58 mins)
1917810;1560010395;BingoBoingo;!Xview 1049
1917811;1560010395;auctionbot;Buy order #  1049: 2835 WFF, Wire Only Opening: 400mn ecu Leading Bid: 390mn ecu Ending: 2019-06-09 12:19:43.167056 UTC (31 hours 58 mins)
1917812;1560010518;asciilifeform;RIP davout
1917813;1560014246;mircea_popescu;ikr.
1917814;1560023126;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/06/conde-nast-pantsuitist-and-microsoft-and-mpex-beat-blogger-peter-drpizza-bright-arrested-in-us-for-enticing-minors-to-sex/ << Qntra -- Conde Nast Pantsuitist And Microsoft And MPEx Beat Blogger Peter "DrPizza" Bright Arrested In US For Enticing Minors To Sex
1917815;1560023360;BingoBoingo;^ Related to http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-08#1917763 Pantsuitist promotes decay while engaging in Pantsuitist child fucking network because XY Pantsuit is http://trilema.com/2016/the-pedoepiphany/
1917816;1560023360;a111;Logged on 2019-06-08 10:53 mircea_popescu: meanwhile, in "decay of sanity under pressure from the organized & militant ustards" : http://archive.is/3j1pW#selection-605.112-605.216
1917817;1560026958;billymg;hi all, i've been quite busy but was still keeping up with the logs
1917818;1560026969;mircea_popescu;wb
1917819;1560026971;billymg;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-27#1915601 << fwiw could not reproduce
1917820;1560026971;a111;Logged on 2019-05-27 21:35 diana_coman: in other stepping-in-all-the-holes : it seems I found a fail-mode of mp-wp browser interface namely if one pastes the content of a post first and only then (possibly after it rushes to quick save it or whatevers) the title, it fails miserably as it apparently tries to save it with title "" (notwithstanding that no, it should not, there is actually a title to it)
1917821;1560027030;feedbot;http://thewhet.net/2019/06/a-thermo-rental-odyssey/ << The Whet -- A Thermo-Rental Odyssey
1917822;1560027032;billymg;tried a few different ways, letting it auto-save with no title, explicitly saving with no title, both of those with a space only: " "
1917823;1560027065;billymg;always seems to save with the post id as expected
1917824;1560027353;billymg;hiya mp, ty
1917825;1560027575;billymg;i slapped some parts together for my fx build, and was able to confirm that this particular asrock board does not support ecc ram https://archive.is/CFyzn (for any readers using lulazon and looking for an am3+ mobo)
1917826;1560027624;billymg;ordered one of these (gigabyte) to test since comments in the reviews seem to confirm it will eat ecc sticks https://archive.is/6aNW9
1917827;1560028531;billymg;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-13#1913031 << something i'm thinking a lot about as well
1917828;1560028531;a111;Logged on 2019-05-13 17:54 lobbes: I've been doing some hard thinking lately, about what I want in life, and about how I'm way too content with my current living situation in the reich. The problem is that man can indeed be content ~anywhere. Nevertheless, I find myself being sucked closer and closer to the intake of the mass chumpatron. My time, my money, my sanity, slowly but surely slipping away with each day
1917829;1560028982;billymg;in my current situation, there is not enough leftover energy for the tasks i'd like to be doing. this could be helped by transferring to a less demanding galley but my current thinking is to do my time, save resources, and then make it a clean break
1917830;1560029538;mircea_popescu;could work.
1917831;1560030974;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, pillars of eternity is a great baldur-like i never knew about.
1917832;1560033633;billymg;well it either works or i get [http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-22#1843568][shot while escaping]
1917833;1560033633;a111;Logged on 2018-08-22 14:23 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fwiw they always Officially print 'when crossing the border' (recall the ru d00d kidnapped 'in spain' etc.) it's the new 'shot while escape'.
1917834;1560033660;billymg;but banking on it being [http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-02#1857064][all in my head]
1917835;1560033660;a111;Logged on 2018-10-02 01:24 mircea_popescu: so you know, "usa is the powerfulest thing ever" "reheheally" / "oh, #metoo matters" "where ?" and so on ad infinitum.
1917836;1560052179;feedbot;http://pizarroisp.net/2019/06/09/pizarro-may-2019-report/ << PizarroISP -- Pizarro May 2019 Report
1917837;1560085517;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, getting nvidia driver installed on gaming box requires a) arcana getting rid of "nouveau" (their derpy cvasi-driver). and no, absolutely nothing of system internals is exposed on tabletOS, you gotta know what you're doing in a terminal ahead of time, there's no "visual GUI" way or manner to even touch anything system-relevant.
1917838;1560085557;mircea_popescu;b) install gcc. and then make. because it SHIPS WITHOUT THESE. and then of course discover the current versions don't match what the kernel was compiled with.
1917839;1560085573;mircea_popescu;and THEN you gotta fix various half-installed libgdev and whatnot.
1917840;1560085593;mircea_popescu;if this shit works it'll be nothing short of magic.
1917841;1560095343;auctionbot;Buy order # 1048: 500 WFF, WU esta bien Heard: 70mn from lobbes outbidding Mocky. Ending: 2019-06-09 12:19:30.974170 UTC (8 hours 22 mins)
1917842;1560107234;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/06/china-preparing-to-enable-extraditions-from-hong-kong-to-mainland/ << Qntra -- China Preparing To Enable Extraditions From Hong Kong To Mainland
1917843;1560109336;feedbot;http://pizarroisp.net/2019/06/09/pizarro-isp-june-9th-2019-report/ << PizarroISP -- Pizarro ISP June 9th 2019 Report
1917844;1560125514;auctionbot;Buy order # 1048 has ENDED: 500 WFF, WU esta bien SOLD by lobbes for 70mn ecu. Attn: BingoBoingo
1917845;1560125515;auctionbot;Buy order # 1049 has ENDED: 2835 WFF, Wire Only SOLD by jurov for 390mn ecu. Attn: BingoBoingo
1917846;1560125678;lobbes;BingoBoingo: ^^ plox to gpggram me wu deets. I can have it sent out by eod tomorrow latest
1917847;1560125751;BingoBoingo;lobbes: ty going to put the GPGgrams together
1917848;1560125803;mircea_popescu;!QCalc 5/7
1917849;1560125803;lobbesbot;mircea_popescu: 0.714285714286
1917850;1560126228;BingoBoingo;lobbes: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/jpND7/?raw=true
1917851;1560126374;BingoBoingo;!Qlater tell jurov http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/X5Eiw/?raw=true
1917852;1560126374;lobbesbot;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
1917853;1560126430;BingoBoingo;lobbesbot jurov: Please issue the invoices at your convenience
1917854;1560162269;jurov;BingoBoingo: ack
1917855;1560162269;lobbesbot;jurov: Sent 9 hours and 58 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/X5Eiw/?raw=true
1917856;1560163071;jurov;!!invoice BingoBoingo 0.39 auction #1049: 2835 WFF sent
1917857;1560163079;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/H1aji/?raw=true
1917858;1560163126;jurov;!!v 9F8A7E950F2ACB7CDB83875D3500768D53390D2327FB47FD1CA8ABBB200CCAD8
1917859;1560163130;deedbot;Invoiced BingoBoingo 0.39 << auction #1049: 2835 WFF sent
1917860;1560178590;lobbes;BingoBoingo: ack and http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1O5wq/?raw=true
1917861;1560178736;lobbes;!!v 0CAFEA98B5E1D15380DE35DD8D23CC736871C9A77DF30A0EBC56E1AA6564BD4E
1917862;1560178741;deedbot;Invoiced BingoBoingo 0.07 << auction #1048: 500 WFF sent
1917863;1560195258;BingoBoingo;!!v C30126C6178D7CE7C492E5628AE9E4221DD0FF270F5F3D691A63D34DAA1B6EC7
1917864;1560195262;deedbot;BingoBoingo paid jurov invoice 12
1917865;1560195284;BingoBoingo;!!v 7FB3B4C3F0A018920B92CE22C99BEFA3E3358D6DC8DF5F80E391BA406172E69A
1917866;1560195288;deedbot;BingoBoingo paid lobbes invoice 5
1917867;1560196188;*;asciilifeform back from short meat holiday, slowly catching up on things
1917868;1560196244;asciilifeform;achtung, whoever it was who was voice-calling asciilifeform's torture room from ru : i do not pick these up, plox to use civilized means of contact.
1917869;1560199161;phf;craziest thing, i forgot my gpg password for about 5 days. was walking around trying to remember parts of it, obviously couldn't get access to anything meanwhile
1917870;1560199161;lobbesbot;phf: Sent 1 week, 2 days, 1 hour, and 33 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> plox to snarf ch19, ty.
1917871;1560199162;lobbesbot;phf: Sent 4 days, 13 hours, and 52 minutes ago: <mircea_popescu> hey props on your parser, it does right thing with context-supplementing bracket and link-anchoring bracked mixed in same line!
1917872;1560199253;phf;i've typed it every day for the past couple of years, multiple times a day, woke up last tuesday with no idea what it might be
1917873;1560199464;asciilifeform;lol
1917874;1560199477;asciilifeform;asciilifeform once thought this happened to him, but then found that keyboard had developed 'bounce'
1917875;1560199482;asciilifeform;swap of kbd -- fixed.
1917876;1560199596;asciilifeform;phf: i take it http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-10#1917868 wasn't you then ?
1917877;1560199596;a111;Logged on 2019-06-10 19:50 asciilifeform: achtung, whoever it was who was voice-calling asciilifeform's torture room from ru : i do not pick these up, plox to use civilized means of contact.
1917878;1560199641;phf;no, i'm also in US right now, for a brief visit
1917879;1560199645;asciilifeform;aite
1917880;1560199702;phf;(which might also be the reason why i forgot the password, it's lots of travel and heavy drinking sessions one after another..)
1917881;1560199745;asciilifeform;зеленый змей eh
1917882;1560200829;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile in local kids https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/a-la-carcel-delincuente-que-prendio-fuego-a-dos-mujeres-en-local-de-cobranza-2019610152913
1917883;1560200947;BingoBoingo;The story doesn't make this clear, but this is not the only recent case of the emergent fad where fuel is dumped into the armored cashier box and lit.
1917884;1560202550;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/06/us-law-enforcement-officer-fired-after-forcing-woman-and-her-infant-to-star-in-his-child-porn-during-traffic-stop/ << Qntra -- US Law Enforcement Officer Fired After Forcing Woman And Her Infant TO Star In His Child Porn During Traffic Stop
1917885;1560203212;feedbot;http://bimbo.club/2019/06/lost-lovage/ << Bimbo.Club -- Lost Lovage.
1917886;1560203732;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i'dve included the lulzy detail, 'victim -- jailed', in the title, but i suppose already lengthy
1917887;1560203809;BingoBoingo;I forgot to put that in the body, added.
1917888;1560208206;mircea_popescu;phf, you're too tense lol.
1917889;1560277634;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/06/uk-wankers-imagineer-power-to-force-customer-due-diligence-into-bitcoin-client-software/ << Qntra -- UK Wankers Imagineer Power To Force "Customer Due Diligence" Into Bitcoin Client Software
1917890;1560279919;mircea_popescu;i betcha the retards wil lactually do it.
1917891;1560280561;BingoBoingo;Well, they have quite the gerontocracy
1917892;1560280587;asciilifeform;anyone still recall the 1990s-era 'reich pgp' where castrated key bitness ?
1917893;1560280894;mircea_popescu;yup
1917894;1560280910;mircea_popescu;by "the retards" i meant whatever's currently left holding the power ranger flag
1917895;1560280944;mircea_popescu;there should be a short story about this, 1988 soviets don't spontaneously combust, but instead invade. find a mexican dude in all of new york
1917896;1560280951;mircea_popescu;"are you the americans ?" "BY JOE I IS!"
1917897;1560280960;BingoBoingo;Apparently they added another XY old woman to the "maintainer" team
1917898;1560281025;*;asciilifeform hasn't looked at prb in years, wouldn't at this point be surprised by anything at all
1917899;1560281035;mircea_popescu;kinda same here.
1917900;1560281052;mircea_popescu;sorta "unity"/"ubuntu"/whatever intellectual-abandonware.
1917901;1560281056;mircea_popescu;"america"
1917902;1560281056;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/06/bakery-wins-11-million-usd-verdict-against-oberlin-college-for-institutional-hysterics/ << Qntra -- Bakery Wins 11 Million USD Verdict Against Oberlin College For Institutional Hysterics
1917903;1560282079;feedbot;http://bimbo.club/2019/06/contrasting-churches/ << Bimbo.Club -- Contrasting Churches.
1917904;1560283488;asciilifeform;in other lulz, reportedly in recent crapple, whole box is fulla epoxy, not only battery compartment
1917905;1560283498;mircea_popescu;recall that airconditioner ?
1917906;1560283501;asciilifeform;aha
1917907;1560283583;asciilifeform;interestingly, samsung et al are copying this 'genius' design
1917908;1560283601;asciilifeform;'ohnoez, someone might swap battery, avoid buying new box'
1917909;1560283619;mircea_popescu;fucking orcs everywhere
1917910;1560283629;asciilifeform;'konsoomer capitalism'(tm)
1917911;1560284251;asciilifeform;crapple, in the usual pantsuit 'add insult to injury', has audacity to brag re 'macbook is entirely recyclable'
1917912;1560284268;asciilifeform;nevermind that no recycler will touch epoxied battery with barge pole, it is first class fire hazard
1917913;1560284274;mircea_popescu;i suppose epoxy is, technucally, recuclable.
1917914;1560284282;asciilifeform;lol problem aint the epoxy.
1917915;1560284305;mircea_popescu;:p
1917916;1560284308;mircea_popescu;you know ?
1917917;1560284317;*;asciilifeform has seen'em burn
1917918;1560284327;mircea_popescu;"the problem ain't even the epoxy"
1917919;1560284405;asciilifeform;to add to this already tall pile o'lulz, per crapple, epoxy aint enuff , power switch (deliberately flimsy) nao includes a cr50-style rsa ic, and not replaceable w/out Official Blessing from vendor (and for good measure, epoxied into the lump)
1917920;1560284436;mircea_popescu;they really don't want the shits ever turned off, do they.
1917921;1560284441;asciilifeform;'off'
1917922;1560284455;asciilifeform;thing actually does a deedbot-style rng turd decrypt/confirm when pressed
1917923;1560284543;asciilifeform;on top of this (and, uncharacteristically, is hyped 'feature', rather than seekrit 'nobus') the boxen no longer 'off' if there are any joules left in battery; nao serve 24/7 to relay gps coords from neighbouring crappletrons (both running and 'off') on the off-chance that someone didn't plug in a nic etc
1917924;1560284564;asciilifeform;being pushed as 'find my stolen irons' 'feature'
1917925;1560284586;mircea_popescu;heh
1917926;1560284614;asciilifeform;( previously had similar 'feature', but required net connection for victi^H^H^H^Hcustomer )
1917927;1560286424;mircea_popescu;basically they went ahead and did our passive mesh network thing
1917928;1560286451;asciilifeform;tbf not exactly new idea, various usgisms used as early as '80s
1917929;1560286470;mircea_popescu;yeah well
1917930;1560286474;mircea_popescu;how new can an idea be
1917931;1560286484;asciilifeform;'no scripts are new'(tm)(r)!1111
1917932;1560286489;mircea_popescu;aga
1917933;1560286539;asciilifeform;will be lulzy when someone finds how to ride arbitrary message on crapplenet.
1917934;1560286589;asciilifeform;!#s ricochet
1917935;1560286590;a111;38 results for "ricochet", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=ricochet
1917936;1560286634;asciilifeform;[http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-19#515120][subj]
1917937;1560286634;a111;Logged on 2014-02-19 04:25 asciilifeform: they still respond to signals! i once bought a ricochet modem just to determine this.
1917938;1560286649;asciilifeform;there's still a couple 100k of'em, drawing half an amp from light poles all over usa
1917939;1560286658;asciilifeform;and they happily pass packets.
1917940;1560286665;asciilifeform;abandoned in '90s.
1917941;1560286709;asciilifeform;afaik biggest 'radiomesh' ever (publicly) built.
1917942;1560286737;asciilifeform;it competed with the gsm people, who engineered a corporate 'oops, no money' for it to die on
1917943;1560286751;asciilifeform;( 'ricochet' cost pennies to the dollar of gsm, at the time, for packetism )
1917944;1560286883;asciilifeform;[https://archive.is/oOOSh][volkischer beobachter on subj, circa '01].
1917945;1560287002;asciilifeform;i dun know specifically why 'musted die', but in general usg favours the old telecom monopolies; plus prolly didn't help that 'ricochet' did not build gps into the modems and made it possible to pass packets directly over the mesh, i.e. 'potentially terrorist' net
1917946;1560287015;*;asciilifeform brb:tea
1917947;1560287349;mircea_popescu;quite potentially terrorist.
1917948;1560288610;asciilifeform;[http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-13#1834247][see also vintagelulz.]
1917949;1560288610;a111;Logged on 2018-07-13 18:52 asciilifeform: funnily related story, back when asciilifeform was a uni student, cellpnojeism was beginning to spread among plebelands, and asciilifeform noticed that folx were paying telco fiddycents/minute to talk over 1-2km ! so asciilifeform went, like naive idjit, to engineering profs, with 'p2p telephony' proposal thing, reaction was the exact sort of through-the-teeth laughter of today's bernstein re phuctor .
1917950;1560288641;mircea_popescu;hey, kids go to school to learn, right ?
1917951;1560288646;mircea_popescu;"learn what' "how to fit in"
1917952;1560288656;asciilifeform;inca fears p2p radio like the proverbial vampire -- crucifix. i'm actually surprised somewhat, that 'ricochet' was even permitted to be built as it were
1917953;1560288712;diana_coman;hm, kind of all learning is about "how to fit in"; the difference is "in what"
1917954;1560288744;asciilifeform;'in learning the names of ptolemy's spheres'!1111
1917955;1560289123;diana_coman;well, the 18yo me at programming exam-to-get-qualification-diploma got told directly (out of prof's sheer exasperation I suppose): "next time, don't think that much!"
1917956;1560289193;asciilifeform;diana_coman: lol, what didja do, submit exam answer in asm ?
1917957;1560289259;diana_coman;I don't even recall exactly but basically took their spec too seriously
1917958;1560289446;asciilifeform;we had ~same type of profs here, with very few (~100% emigre) exceptions, i imagine much fewer exceptions than at diana_coman's uni. y'know the type, that reacts to 'made to think' same way as mcd clerk to being asked to make exact change
1917959;1560289680;diana_coman;well, how would anyone find as many exceptions as needed to fill all the unis basically (not to mention all schools!)
1917960;1560289780;asciilifeform;not only this, but they're as wanted by the brass as fox in chickenhouse.
1917961;1560289813;asciilifeform;all the ones i recall from early 2000s, gone nao
1917962;1560289888;asciilifeform;the type of person who thrives in reich academia, is ye olde 'beetle man'.
1917963;1560289892;diana_coman;that makes sense once it's a chickenhouse already, yes; supposedly it's not /was not, to start with.
1917964;1560289997;diana_coman;my observation re numbers is that it's not as much whether reich or not but simply whether "public education" as in "for everyone" or not; because if profs are recruited based on need, there will just never be enough really; and the wider the base aka the greater the need, the more chickenhouse, inevitably
1917965;1560290051;*;asciilifeform never attended a 'for only royalty' school , and cannot comment re 'not for-everyone'
1917966;1560290114;diana_coman;eh, what royalty to speak of, lol; any exam-admission is already a form of "not for everyone"
1917967;1560290121;*;asciilifeform did, however, go to a 'by exam, 2 dozen bodies to 1 spot' high school, but it was in usa, and full of... i guess modern-day ameri-equiv. of komosomol. disgusting 'climber' types. 'young republicans'(tm) etc
1917968;1560290130;asciilifeform;*komsomol
1917969;1560290207;diana_coman;what can I say; fwiw on one hand entrance exam at my uni was already getting seriously watered down and onth in 500 students/ year (minimum), I have former colleagues that are happily microshitting now as they were then
1917970;1560290211;asciilifeform;diana_coman: rright, simply must point out, asciilifeform's experience with 'troo 1333337' schools is quite limited, pretty much 100% from archaeology, rather than own skin
1917971;1560290293;asciilifeform;diana_coman: we had a (and 1 of the moar intelligent...) profs , who tried to 'drum up morale' by telling 'success stories', e.g. 'didja hear of bob, he's a gruppenfuhrer at microshit nao!' 'joe from last year is head of chromism at google' etc
1917972;1560290304;asciilifeform;or what was it instead of chromism, i dun recall
1917973;1560290350;asciilifeform;point is, most of the folx in the room were already there on acct of thinking uni was a somehow classier 'trade school' for programmer
1917974;1560290469;asciilifeform;ftr asciilifeform when graduated did not become gruppenfuhrer at microgoogle. instead did coupla yrs of hard time in a java saltmine.
1917975;1560290540;asciilifeform;( eventually demoted to pulling cable an' cleaning ducts, then sacked. )
1917976;1560290717;asciilifeform;was funny place, they had an inner core of people who 'research', supported by the salt mine contracts worked by the plebes. but to be in the 'research' clique, was apparently (unofficially) necessary to have 'mit' diploma.
1917977;1560290758;asciilifeform;owner of the co, had one, and thought it was what distinguished man from animal
1917978;1560290818;asciilifeform;was a sort of usg in-miniature (unsurprising, perhaps, for it was a quite typical '90% of revenue is from usg' software circus )
1917979;1560290935;asciilifeform;asciilifeform out of school was dumb, from chumpatronic pov, as a sack of rocks, got conned into designing for these people a certain iron part, ~in off hours~ from cleaning ducts. it was, as i understand, put into production, with a mit grad's name attached.
1917980;1560290947;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-11#1917961 << hey, should have not been so hostile to blacks and women!!!1
1917981;1560290947;a111;Logged on 2019-06-11 21:50 asciilifeform: all the ones i recall from early 2000s, gone nao
1917982;1560291059;mircea_popescu;wait, cs dept is NOT trade school ?!
1917983;1560291079;mircea_popescu;when was this ?
1917984;1560291084;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: at one pt thse people had pretentions, to being 'applied maffs'
1917985;1560291095;asciilifeform;but may as well have been in time of atlantis, for all it matters nao
1917986;1560291097;mircea_popescu;in the sense every trade school has pretentions.
1917987;1560291119;mircea_popescu;but... "if you're too dumb to make it in math and too lazy/weird to make it in business... CS IS YOUR TICKET TO FOOD!!!"
1917988;1560291128;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: afaik there aint even a wet stain left, of these pretensions, today
1917989;1560291145;asciilifeform;to rubber 'food' at any rate.
1917990;1560291194;mircea_popescu;afaik all the "oh, not trade school, true universal education, APPLIED MATH!!!" hullaballoo ever produced was ~xml/wikipedia/that sorta thing. a lot of very overbearing, insufferable, nonsensically overspecified minutia.
1917991;1560291204;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: laff, but they opened a 'biznis cs' dept, for folx who ~can't count.
1917992;1560291215;mircea_popescu;i honestly don't recall a time anyone took cs for not-tradeschool.
1917993;1560291221;asciilifeform;afaik no great biznis stars graduated from this, but Any Day Nao lol
1917994;1560291254;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, very easy to get new business STAR!!!! from socialist machine. they pick one, "congrats son, now you're Cuban Mark VII"
1917995;1560291265;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i suspect no later than '80s, and ~errybody involved prolly dead by nao of cirrhosis / joe stack / despair.
1917996;1560291311;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha, pretty much whole selling point by nao of the diploma, 'buy this here lottery ticket for cubanism'
1917997;1560291323;mircea_popescu;i suppose lisp stands as a leftover of the time you speak of, so it must've existed.
1917998;1560291346;asciilifeform;there's little enuff left that it takes serious archaeology to even show that it was there, aha
1917999;1560291397;asciilifeform;ftr i associate mit et al with (not only the infamous lightbulb) but the freak show described upstack, rather than with 'great researchers'
1918000;1560291462;mircea_popescu;the us wanna-be oxfords are like you know, kids at the special needs preserve dressing up in penguin costumes.
1918001;1560291464;asciilifeform;very briefly in late 'vhs' era there was such sea of usg money that a select few folx managed to embezzle a little and do something substantial. but all evaporated, or, worse, relabeled with 'correctly aryan' names
1918002;1560291472;mircea_popescu;the penguin was long gone by the time they were sewing those disgusies.
1918003;1560291557;asciilifeform;i never saw it other than as fragmented fossils.
1918004;1560291648;mircea_popescu;all of them, no exceptions, princeton [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-16#1897226][of great fame], stanford, mit, what have you -- they survive as sovereign funds, exactly like china's (only much smaller, worse managed and with way shittier portofolios) with an entirely spuriously magic cap on.
1918005;1560291648;a111;Logged on 2019-02-16 17:10 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo found it http://trilema.com/2016/usg-in-btc-a-history-of-constant-failure/#selection-39.0-39.51 <<
1918006;1560291650;mircea_popescu; ("culture!!" "[http://trilema.com/2017/is-it-still-rape-if-i-write-science-on-my-penis-first/#selection-151.1-151.86][Science!!!]") bla bla.
1918007;1560291692;mircea_popescu;but the relationship between the european university and the "found some cool shit, hit it with hammer, ran off with pieces to our troglodyte hovel" british college is iffy at best.
1918008;1560291710;asciilifeform;hey, spark of life left, e.g., ibm, 50y ago, still zombies on as 'hedge fund'. or for that matter, roman church, 1000y
1918009;1560291717;mircea_popescu;an' the relationship between THAT and the usgistani sadnesses is entirely like between historical penguin and extant penguin -- simple misnomerism.
1918010;1560291742;asciilifeform;incidentally the 'troo penguin' would imho be the ideal logo bird for linux
1918011;1560291749;asciilifeform;wonder why linus didn't pick ~that~ bird
1918012;1560291755;mircea_popescu;so... yeah. whatever, i forget what the point was.
1918013;1560291792;*;mircea_popescu goes back to his vidya
1918014;1560291811;asciilifeform;thrd really of interest to zombologist strictly, think too hard re 'point' and yer own brain will begin to leak.
1918015;1560291819;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: whatcha playing ?
1918016;1560291827;mircea_popescu;majesty!
1918017;1560291858;*;asciilifeform shared mircea_popescu's 'vidya lament' with brother, who answered 'did he ever 'rage of mages' '
1918018;1560291859;mircea_popescu;i got ~all the pre-2005 or so games. i got gothic, i got everything, 100s of titles. diablo 2.
1918019;1560291864;feedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2019/06/11/eulora-client-hierarchy-of-data-draft/ << Ossa Sepia -- Eulora Client Hierarchy of Data Draft
1918020;1560291885;mircea_popescu;yup. http://trilema.com/2011/ce-am-pierdut-si-voi-n-ati-avut/ << he might appreciate, your brother.
1918021;1560291890;asciilifeform;aa!
1918022;1560291913;asciilifeform;there's reportedly extensions an' such.
1918023;1560291923;*;asciilifeform not tried
1918024;1560291929;mircea_popescu;ya nb.
1918025;1560291939;mircea_popescu;and Disciples, also great. and... well...
1918026;1560292410;*;asciilifeform suspects that the pre-05 gamez will work 100% with just the cpu renderer...
1918027;1560292423;asciilifeform;not much need for the 4kg of nvidia
1918028;1560292481;asciilifeform;age of cheap irons!1111 (on which to run... what? rainbow tables?)
1918029;1560292508;asciilifeform;... mine shitcoins?
1918030;1560292519;asciilifeform;ftr my '1080' is sad an' idle, gathers dust.
1918031;1560292559;*;asciilifeform for many yrs nao could not muster the giving-a-fuck to mine shitcoin
1918032;1560292567;mircea_popescu;surely would have.
1918033;1560292584;mircea_popescu;worked i mean
1918034;1560292594;asciilifeform;for that matter afaik all the major shitcoinen have 'asicized' by nao iirc
1918035;1560302776;Mocky;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-13#1913064 << You're in Charlotte right? What are you doing on saturday? Let's meet up.
1918036;1560302776;a111;Logged on 2019-05-13 18:27 lobbes: I may indeed take some time in the next months to make a trip down there at least. If anything to clear my head and sort some things out (plus, I've never met another Republican in the meat, so there is also that plus)
1918037;1560322174;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/the-exceptionalist/ << Trilema -- The Exceptionalist
1918038;1560324623;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-11#1917955 <-- lol, I had precisely the same experience!
1918039;1560324623;a111;Logged on 2019-06-11 21:38 diana_coman: well, the 18yo me at programming exam-to-get-qualification-diploma got told directly (out of prof's sheer exasperation I suppose): "next time, don't think that much!"
1918040;1560324707;spyked;I'd made a small toy proggy to draw a mandelbrot set, zoom in etc. when the time came to show it, no one in the room even knew what a fractal was, although ~all~ the teachers there were math-informatics graduates
1918041;1560325374;mircea_popescu;jaysus
1918042;1560345084;mircea_popescu;in other news, pillars of eternity is a fucking great "good old Infinity engine days". up there with planescape : torment i'd say (not as deliberately-artsy-quirky-???).
1918043;1560345087;mircea_popescu;absolutely must play.
1918044;1560345476;diana_coman;me is basically playing planeshift : torment
1918045;1560345488;diana_coman;can't beat it for that part really :P
1918046;1560345927;mircea_popescu;lmao
1918047;1560345972;mircea_popescu;moar liek 0x706c 616e 6573 6869 6674 203a 2074 6f72 amirite.
1918048;1560351165;mircea_popescu;anyone wanna do a small paypal for me ?
1918049;1560351167;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron, ?
1918050;1560355289;mircea_popescu;trinque, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/DmWFl/?raw=true
1918051;1560356566;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/06/rowhammer-being-used-to-read-from-vulnerable-ram/ << Qntra -- ROWHAMMER Being Used To Read From Vulnerable RAM
1918052;1560357101;mircea_popescu;noo ?!
1918053;1560357132;mircea_popescu;and here i thought that's just what it's for. severe case of who could've predicted!
1918054;1560357149;asciilifeform;orig for write.
1918055;1560357192;asciilifeform;also claims to work on ecc boxen, but asciilifeform not read $item yet and has nfi how substantial is claim
1918056;1560357207;mircea_popescu;nfw ?!
1918057;1560357254;asciilifeform;on the surface, seems to use the ecc corrector delay as sidechan
1918058;1560357353;*;asciilifeform still doesn't grasp why is it that no one sells mobos where can use redundant (majoritated, rather than failover, the latter is dime a dozen) banks of ram.
1918059;1560357819;mircea_popescu;cuz made in china, and chinese man only does what granpa did.
1918060;1560357970;BingoBoingo;Similarly there's a lack of SRAM and boards supporting it.
1918061;1560358346;diana_coman;Unfortunately, as Cojocar et al. [13] show, the synchronous
1918062;1560358346;diana_coman;nature of the ECC correction algorithm typically exposes such
1918063;1560358346;diana_coman;information through a timing channel, where memory accesses
1918064;1560358346;diana_coman;that require error correction are measurably slower than normal
1918065;1560358353;diana_coman;ha
1918066;1560358365;diana_coman;from the paper so apparently yes, on ecc too
1918067;1560358637;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i dug into this last yr, it is worse than uninitiated can picture, nobody's even making reasonably-sized sram (deliberately not counting here various 'pseudo-s' etc abominations)
1918068;1560358687;asciilifeform;diana_coman: it makes sense, if it can't correct in O(1) cuz it has to interrupt a burst (all dram since mid-90s runs in long bursts much of the time, typically fill 1 or moar cache lines) then leaks via time.
1918069;1560358778;asciilifeform;even if doesn't interrupt a burst, still leaks 'fact of'
1918070;1560358898;diana_coman;aha
1918071;1560358902;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i actually went through coupla hundred datashits in late '17, for various srams. after rejecting various 'pseudo' (i.e. internally dram, with built-in refresher) , left with buncha items, typically <=64MB, where in small print, if you actually use it as random access (i.e. not in long burst) it runs at 1995 speeds (7-15ns typically access)
1918072;1560359041;asciilifeform;there's nothing physically impossible or even especially difficult about making gigantic sram -- you simply need 6 transistors for erry 1 that'd be in the dram yer replacing. simply, no one does.
1918073;1560359125;asciilifeform;cuz britneykonsoomer dun need it for anyffin.
1918074;1560359153;BingoBoingo;Once again mass market makes actual market products impossibru because BrittneyChain
1918075;1560359236;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: you can still buy all the 1980s-style srams (incl. rad-hard) you like, 128kB 10ns chip is about 4bux. these suffice for the icbms and wherever else folx actually care about bits staying put. what no one makes is sram that'd fit the bloat of 'modern' pc os etc.
1918076;1560359294;asciilifeform;could even say that erry piece of soft gets the irons that it deserves.
1918077;1560359359;asciilifeform;( why should 8GB of 'drepper-os' or winblowz get 8GB of sram ? it'd be rather a penicillin for a corpse )
1918078;1560359423;BingoBoingo;And yet, plenty of fab for shitcoin ASICs
1918079;1560359432;asciilifeform;cuz they ~pay, lol
1918080;1560359472;asciilifeform;[http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-06#1917460][see mircea_popescu's earlier pt] re why.
1918081;1560359472;a111;Logged on 2019-06-06 07:23 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-05#1917398 << nothing to laugh, it's exactly correct. the long standing slight margin on mining over trading is exactly this, "market participant voluntarily set cost of privacy".
1918082;1560359632;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile in local lulz https://www.montevideo.com.uy/Noticias/Desde-su-implementacion-regulacion-de-Cannabis-arrebato-unos-US-25-millones-al-narco-uc721097 << Nothing of the sort. The folks who used to sling one dope now sling another dope.
1918083;1560359684;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: from asciilifeform's archaeologies, got hypothesis that market for standalone srams is 99% for repair/reproduction of '80s-'90s designs -- current-day ic which require sram tend to 1) need a few kB, maybe a MB or 2 , and 2) include it on-die
1918084;1560359755;asciilifeform;e.g., last pc that i personally opened that had standalone sram for l2 cache, was a 486 dx2.
1918085;1560359764;asciilifeform;errything after that, rolled it onto die
1918086;1560359873;asciilifeform;( recall that light in vacuum goes 30m / ns , and charge in solid conductor -- yet slower )
1918087;1560359887;asciilifeform;*30cm
1918088;1560359887;asciilifeform;lol
1918089;1560360003;asciilifeform;btw this figure is in errybody's kindergarten textbook, but is ~extremely~ overoptimistic for electrical machine, where if you have long conductor, it also has capacitance & inductance, if you want to vary voltage on opposite end of it, you have to let it discharge... )
1918090;1560360153;asciilifeform;in asciilifeform's various benchmarkisms (ffalogy etc) found, unsurprisingly, that just about all observed variation in measured performance among current decade of x86 irons, is almost entirely proportional to cache size.
1918091;1560360272;asciilifeform;serious 'non-vonneuman' box would have no standalone rams at all, but simply buncha cpu , each with small mipslike item surrounded by die 99% fulla sram.
1918092;1560363469;feedbot;http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/093-hunchentoot-i.html << The Tar Pit -- A review of Hunchentoot's code history
1918093;1560367072;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/06/ongoing-ebola-outbreak-crosses-border-into-uganda/ << Qntra -- Ongoing Ebola Outbreak Crosses Border Into Uganda
1918094;1560367530;trinque;mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ScL9b/?raw=true
1918095;1560369534;mircea_popescu;trinque, pretty cool. no big rush on this side, jsut tryna keep tabs pn things.
1918096;1560370266;trinque;np at all
1918097;1560370411;BingoBoingo;In US election meddling abroad https://archive.is/1ViEg
1918098;1560370467;BingoBoingo;"En ese punto, la mujer encuestada le preguntó quién realiza la encuesta, a lo que el interlocutor asegura que la Fundación Latinoamericana para la Promoción de la Democracia. A continuación ella le preguntó si la fundación tenía sede en Uruguay, a lo que el encuestador respondió que sí. Pero esa fundación no tiene sitio web, ni forma alguna de contacto disponible. "
1918099;1560371021;mircea_popescu;heh
1918100;1560371468;BingoBoingo;The confirmation though is the "español neutro" which means pointedly not Uruguayan
1918101;1560388500;feedbot;http://bimbo.club/2019/06/the-adventure-of-goosey-boy/ << Bimbo.Club -- The adventure of Goosey boy.
1918102;1560399734;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-06#1917493 << apparently i missed this. anyways, so you wanna settle now mockster ? or are you [http://trilema.com/2013/internet-story/][trading] or what.
1918103;1560399734;a111;Logged on 2019-06-06 11:32 Mocky: i have a coin to repay mircea_popescu and now that i have what with to trade, expect to be a continuous bidder on piz auctions
1918104;1560404223;mircea_popescu;haha nicoleci that was a lovely piece!
1918105;1560422155;Mocky;mircea_popescu: I don't have 1btc worth now, I have enough left over income to start buying on regular basis. Will still take a few months to amass the total.
1918106;1560423008;Mocky;and no, zero "trading". Only buying.
1918107;1560423424;nicoleci;mircea_popescu, tyvm, glad you like it : )
1918108;1560428318;mircea_popescu;a ok np
1918109;1560428347;mircea_popescu;you meant "i have to repay a coin" not "i have a coin to repay"
1918110;1560438690;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, bon jovi (obscure 90s act) is engaged in a "this house is not for sale" tour
1918111;1560438737;mircea_popescu;i expect what the fuck happened was -- this dude's mortgage being underwater, the bank clerks started making noises about selling his actual place. so he went "fuck you, ima do a tour, make like 100k or w/e i owe you schmucks, pay off the whole loan!!!"
1918112;1560439337;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: sounds not entirely unlike that other 'great again'(tm)
1918113;1560439346;mircea_popescu;which ?
1918114;1560439354;asciilifeform;usa's
1918115;1560439358;mircea_popescu;oh
1918116;1560439359;mircea_popescu;lol
1918117;1560439491;asciilifeform;speaking of which, reportedly huawei's lappy div (supposedly - closing down) made several genuinely linuxable (vs. 'ubuntable') boxen.
1918118;1560439494;*;asciilifeform did not test
1918119;1560439778;mircea_popescu;called honsoon, to go with the longsoon theme of "supposedly" ?
1918120;1560439800;asciilifeform;nah, actual irons , for coupla yrs nao
1918121;1560439823;BingoBoingo;Probably too early to call it shutdown. Pivoting to Chinaware is going to take time after doing the wintel thing
1918122;1560441016;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/06/vim-and-neovim-vulnerable-to-code-execution-through-modelines-in-hostile-text-files/ << Qntra -- Vim And Neovim Vulnerable To Code Execution Through "Modelines" In Hostile Text Files
1918123;1560441287;mircea_popescu;nano ftw!
1918124;1560441792;BingoBoingo;Seriously why is eating config options from the input file a thing?
1918125;1560441858;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/06/british-home-secretary-sajid-javid-signs-order-to-extradite-julian-assange-to-united-states/ << Qntra -- British Home Secretary Sajid Javid Signs Order To Extradite Julian Assange To United States
1918126;1560441950;asciilifeform;sajid javid << lol preet
1918127;1560441998;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: No one else was putting that very important name where it needed to go
1918128;1560442012;mircea_popescu;the sad fact of the matter's trump willy-nilly presides over teh make india great again.
1918129;1560442044;BingoBoingo;Seriously 2020 is looking like India's Trump versus China's Biden
1918130;1560442045;mircea_popescu;whole bureaucracy's pretty much that. which is funny, considering those "englightnened" fucks managed to ruin pretty much anything they got involved in.
1918131;1560442055;mircea_popescu;it's the one historical heritage of indianess.
1918132;1560442263;BingoBoingo;The way Mandarin insulates against the future is one asian problem. The other is Indianness and its languages have their own anting mechanisms.
1918133;1560442612;mircea_popescu;i wouldn't even go as far and say india is in asia.
1918134;1560442630;mircea_popescu;very evidently part of the shitty mdidle earth. in there with tadjikistan etc.
1918135;1560442651;mircea_popescu;india is no more asia than wyoming's west coast.
1918136;1560443221;*;asciilifeform also subscribes to the '19th c'-style pov, where 'asia == ricekingdoms'
1918137;1560443295;asciilifeform;'hostile text files' << the primacy crown, afaik, still goes to microshit , where these were a thing even in 1990s
1918138;1560443315;asciilifeform;( recall when 'email virus' concept was a hoax ? )
1918139;1560443363;asciilifeform;open sores -- evidently, catching up, догоним и перегоним (tm)(r)(hrusch) !111
1918140;1560443944;mircea_popescu;"foss" today is basically working for microsoft but without pension/dental
1918141;1560443969;asciilifeform;for decade+.
1918142;1560443995;asciilifeform;( a coupla particular quislings, e.g. orig author of gentoo -- WITH pension/etc. )
1918143;1560444039;mircea_popescu;pour encourager les autres.
1918144;1560444082;asciilifeform;aha
1918145;1560447253;asciilifeform;[https://archive.is/OJvep][meanwhile, in falseflagistan].
1918146;1560447352;mircea_popescu;lusitania sails again!!!
1918147;1560447360;asciilifeform;for 9000th time lol
1918148;1560447381;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/06/two-tankers-allegedly-torpedoed-in-gulf-of-oman/ << Qntra -- Two Tankers Allegedly Torpedoed In Gulf Of Oman
1918149;1560447391;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Beat feedbot by a bit
1918150;1560468923;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-12#1918035 << definitely. I'll have an hour or so during the afternoon if you want to meet somewhere in Charlotte
1918151;1560468923;a111;Logged on 2019-06-12 01:26 Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-13#1913064 << You're in Charlotte right? What are you doing on saturday? Let's meet up.
1918152;1560469812;*;mircea_popescu wonders if anyone in charlotte names their daughter charlotte
1918153;1560470500;lobbes;heh, I have a buddy here that did just that
1918154;1560472106;mircea_popescu;cool
1918155;1560494338;mircea_popescu;hanbot, ok baby, have i got the q for you!
1918156;1560494345;mircea_popescu;remember the land lady in pal joey ?
1918157;1560496552;mircea_popescu;<mp3butcher>	big work indeed (blender api keep changing all the time) << i don't intend to support that, really. for one it's not really TMSR tradition ; for the other there's that entire [http://trilema.com/2015/minigame-smg-june-2015-statement/#footnote_6_62044][femfiasco].
1918158;1560496560;mircea_popescu;practically, it'll prolly work as a hostile fork.
1918159;1560496564;mircea_popescu;o damn.
1918160;1560496599;mircea_popescu;sorry goodfolk!
1918161;1560496613;diana_coman;heh; #eulora-spills
1918162;1560496728;mircea_popescu;it happens!
1918163;1560496746;mircea_popescu;also in the news this morning, https://i.imgur.com/gcGbV2X.jpg
1918164;1560499380;hanbot;mircea_popescu the one that looks like lillian gish? sure.
1918165;1560499392;mircea_popescu;is she the marble rye hag!
1918166;1560499402;mircea_popescu;yessheis
1918167;1560499538;mircea_popescu;she possibly EVEN IS lil gish
1918168;1560499814;hanbot;apparently she's neither, but one "elizabeth patterson"
1918169;1560499825;mircea_popescu;oh ?
1918170;1560499964;mircea_popescu;well... ok then ;p
1918171;1560533326;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/06/yubikey-fips-products-suffer-reducted-randomness/ << Qntra -- Yubikey FIPS Products Suffer Reducted Randomness
1918172;1560533376;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: s/reducted/reduced lol
1918173;1560533389;mircea_popescu;or reductered. either way.
1918174;1560533401;BingoBoingo;ty, fxd
1918175;1560533405;asciilifeform;'rose by any other name' heh
1918176;1560533414;mircea_popescu;reductionziedrated.
1918177;1560534509;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile in local news they had a debate between two of the many candidates from the many parties. One was the Colorado who identifies as an economist http://bingology.net/2019/05/26/overview-of-local-electoral-politics-heading-into-the-impending-party-internals/#selection-127.0-131.39 the other some FA guy that didn't make my write up
1918178;1560534571;BingoBoingo;The practical effect ended up being one big advertisement for the Economist-kin
1918179;1560534963;mircea_popescu;kinda how these shits work in femstatw
1918180;1560535264;BingoBoingo;So it appears. Thing appears set to go to end in a run off between the FA candidate and the Blanco candidate with the Colorado candidate serving only to make sure the thing goes to a runoff.
1918181;1560535302;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-14#1918157 << i cannot resist to ask -- i thought 'blender' were a 3d shape editor tool ?? why does it need 'api'
1918182;1560535302;a111;Logged on 2019-06-14 07:15 mircea_popescu: <mp3butcher>	big work indeed (blender api keep changing all the time) << i don't intend to support that, really. for one it's not really TMSR tradition ; for the other there's that entire [http://trilema.com/2015/minigame-smg-june-2015-statement/#footnote_6_62044][femfiasco].
1918183;1560535323;asciilifeform;( doesn't shit out list of coordinate pairs ?! )
1918184;1560535346;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Why did MSWord need to change .doc every couple versions?
1918185;1560535357;asciilifeform;format
1918186;1560535369;asciilifeform;(i'm not aware of microshit word having 'api'...)
1918187;1560535413;BingoBoingo;Well they had the macro thing all of the period rapeware used.
1918188;1560535487;asciilifeform;tru!
1918189;1560535515;BingoBoingo;That they sold it to flat assed secretaries to do mailing lists doesn't change what it is.
1918190;1560535587;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, "3d shapes" are complicated business.
1918191;1560535606;mircea_popescu;because movement and fitting arbitrary shapes together (eg, "equipped the helmet") you need osature and all sorta abstractions.
1918192;1560535631;*;asciilifeform not entirely innocent of subj, has suffered with it
1918193;1560535644;asciilifeform;still rly oughta, imho, live as a fairly straightforward seq of numerics
1918194;1560535656;mircea_popescu;yes well
1918195;1560535688;mircea_popescu;the point was "why api". the anwer is, because underlying reality very complex, it helps to have an indirection layer.
1918196;1560535822;asciilifeform;makes sense, i suppose thing takes 'this vertex is a joint, with such-and-such polar coord range' etc
1918197;1560535879;*;asciilifeform to this day wonders how the folx who wrote [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-02#1916790]['lba'] represented theirs
1918198;1560535879;a111;Logged on 2019-06-02 13:32 asciilifeform: incidentally, apropos of gamez thread, there was very interesting french msdos item, 'little big adventure', that blew asciilifeform's mind, had 2010s-style graphic on 40mhz 486. ( how ? clever gourad system, and pile of asm i suspect )
1918199;1560535903;asciilifeform;recall, where the hero's robe flowed properly when he fought, etc
1918200;1560535911;asciilifeform;and all of this w/out anything resembling a 3d gpu card
1918201;1560535926;mircea_popescu;ideally, at least.
1918202;1560535993;asciilifeform;( for folx who did not play this msdos mega-adventure -- thing was implemented on entirely diff school of thought re 3dism than what is generally used today )
1918203;1560536084;asciilifeform;[https://www.magicball.net/mirrors/lbawld/lba1info.html][subj.]
1918204;1560536097;asciilifeform;'The 3D ojects are not texture mapped (= wrapping textures on a 3D object), but they get their color from gouraud shading' etc
1918205;1560536207;asciilifeform;lba 2 , incidentally, had light sourcing / reflections / etc. and ~also~ not only demanded no gpu, but still ran on 486 dx2 a++
1918206;1560537890;mircea_popescu;the reason blits won is that you want nipples on the tits, niot just some vague color shade
1918207;1560537914;asciilifeform;wasn't so much an issue in 640x480 svga but yea
1918208;1560538355;mircea_popescu;yeah. that thing was beautiful then, but did nto scale.
1918209;1560538468;asciilifeform;i have suspicion that it'd scale fine if the folx baking gpu irons had baked for it (e.g. picture properly-bouncing gouraud tits) . whereas i dun recall a single 'textured' game where critters did not from certain angles look 'wooden'.
1918210;1560538499;asciilifeform;texturism incidentally is why those 'steam' gamez are 100GB ea.
1918211;1560539091;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-14#1918191 -> the q being ofc if the existing "abtractions" really help much or just make it even harder; a sort of C/CPP thing rather than Ada thing.
1918212;1560539091;a111;Logged on 2019-06-14 18:06 mircea_popescu: because movement and fitting arbitrary shapes together (eg, "equipped the helmet") you need osature and all sorta abstractions.
1918213;1560539181;asciilifeform;naturally only diana_coman can answer this q. but fwiw asciilifeform has yet to encounter a single case where burning the heathen abstraction to the ground and baking new one didn't make problem substantially simpler in the end.
1918214;1560539240;asciilifeform;( consider, e.g., the 'ada-sockets' horror of 'abstraction' replaced in [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2557][the udp lib] )
1918215;1560539280;mircea_popescu;im not all that sold on blits being right thing either.
1918216;1560539291;mircea_popescu;jsut saying, its how it historically played out
1918217;1560539299;asciilifeform;indeed did
1918218;1560539305;asciilifeform;( played out, that is )
1918219;1560539330;diana_coman;myeah, except I'm no graphics expert (and the pile of burnt is already big)
1918220;1560539374;asciilifeform;imho it was The Wrong Thing tho (yes the 2d artist types got to keep their jobs and avoided relearning anyffin, but result is that nao there are 'wooden' monsters, lovingly 'painted', rather than 'tru' 3d...)
1918221;1560539404;mircea_popescu;job security, it's a primum bonum in the ustardian understanding of "free market"
1918222;1560539516;diana_coman;fwiw I must say that it's precisely this "let's paint the fence" approach that put me off computer graphics in the first place because my uni taught nothing else and I foolishly believed them that there was nothing better either.
1918223;1560539748;diana_coman;(my current going through huge lists of oh, add x textures and then for each of them y shaders and z lights etc doesn't make me think any higher of the paint-the-wood approach either)
1918224;1560539880;asciilifeform;diana_coman: funnily enuff i did not even get to take 'graphics' at uni (it ended up choice b/w it and 'operating systems', went with the latter) but i did at one pt eat the classic hughes, foley & van dam b00k
1918225;1560541112;BingoBoingo;!!v 1BA6FCCDB6A269D80E5D96B09A035FAD4B33FAE14A0F5E6FF6CA37F9FF94B8BD
1918226;1560541113;BingoBoingo;!!v 4EFA7F9D481AAE48A3D556DCEF05E4390A1179556C0C4E55454C1A06A9D549C5
1918227;1560541113;BingoBoingo;!!v E384F282A02EC237460879EEE33451D90C0FA5DD73753D3F98DFCC6555247C6F
1918228;1560541113;BingoBoingo;!!v 3C5F4C2861B8577E645FF6179C6BFBC297E6802B23FFA36675E3E570B14E2E5F
1918229;1560541113;BingoBoingo;!!v F2DBD685331E0F381EEC42AB7C0473A80F0F14791568CE49A4E394D56512F5CA
1918230;1560541117;deedbot;Invoiced bvt 0.002 << Shared Hosting June
1918231;1560541122;deedbot;Invoiced mats 0.0216 << Shared Hosting Annual
1918232;1560541126;deedbot;Invoiced trinque 0.021544828 << Colocation + Shared June
1918233;1560541130;deedbot;Invoiced jurov 0.019544828 << TBF Colocation Monthly
1918234;1560541133;deedbot;Invoiced mircea_popescu 0.469075862 << Annual Colocation for Two S.MG servers through June 2020
1918235;1560541222;BingoBoingo;The two auctions delivered an exchange rate of 7250 usd/BTC, the 500 USD auction actually returned the lower of the two rates (7143 versus 7269 for the dc wire)
1918236;1560542002;mircea_popescu;ima get to it this weekend
1918237;1560542553;BingoBoingo;ty
1918238;1560545873;feedbot;http://thewhet.net/2019/06/duplex/ << The Whet -- Duplex
1918239;1560620341;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in other news, https://i.imgur.com/yloPWi5.jpg
1918240;1560622392;asciilifeform;defective photo!111 they're clothed!
1918241;1560622833;mircea_popescu;lol
1918242;1560624562;mircea_popescu;women have this great advantage, that they cvan fuck dressed.
1918243;1560625645;BingoBoingo;Lesbian priviledge!
1918244;1560625647;asciilifeform;you can just as dressed, if zipper worx, neh
1918245;1560625661;mircea_popescu;i dunno, dood... lame joke re intromission. what can i do.
1918246;1560625732;*;asciilifeform back to ffaism, after short 'vacation' . will order piz irons in coming 2wk, as the req'd fiatola piles up
1918247;1560625794;asciilifeform;ftr, during 'vacation' wrote a vehehery rought draft of [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-04#1917051][item] prev. discussed in log
1918248;1560625794;a111;Logged on 2019-06-04 13:29 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-04#1917019 << i'ma describe, for the l0gz, the hypothetical. suppose mips emu in asm ( the heathen item in fact compiles to a 30kB elf , not esp. complex, but would want clean rewrite really ). this'd be proggy that takes disk image and it tx/rx raw frames to/from nic, so can have own ip etc. then 1 large amd box can host coupla 100 instances of mips linux from known image. <1s teardown/bringup.
1918249;1560625807;mircea_popescu;true vacation.
1918250;1560625813;asciilifeform;it aint ready for primetime tho, must admit
1918251;1560625839;asciilifeform;emulates errything but the page table mechanism, which is somewhat gnarly even on mips (tho miniscule compared to pc's)
1918252;1560625871;asciilifeform;hand-massaged asm for pipelineism etc, worx out to <12kB total bin so far.
1918253;1560625906;asciilifeform;in next vacation i'ma wrap it up & genesis.
1918254;1560625995;asciilifeform;almost all of the sim-instrs fit in amd64's 32byte cache line load.
1918255;1560626083;asciilifeform;aim is a 'mips 4000' compat. item (for ease of hardwarization, when time comes) if anyone cares. and at some pt will also have to port gnat, cuntoo... to it.
1918256;1560626127;mircea_popescu;not bad though
1918257;1560626142;mircea_popescu;not bad at all.
1918258;1560626160;asciilifeform;you run it as e.g. ./mips disk.img 31337 and connect on latter port, get uart.
1918259;1560626228;asciilifeform;about 2000 loc of (somewhat macroistic) nasm atm, but still within bound of 'fit in head' imho
1918260;1560626291;asciilifeform;( for n00bs -- why mips? cuz pretty small instr set, and fixed-length codes; and theoretically existing gcc backend. really no other reason. )
1918261;1560626336;asciilifeform;if folx come up with serious use for item outside of piz shared cluster (where it is imho direly needed) i'ma also do a 64bit mips at some pt.
1918262;1560626379;asciilifeform;(for instance 1 possible application is mircea_popescu's 'uci'...)
1918263;1560626510;asciilifeform;[http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ljxbo/?raw=true][instr. decoder] snippet, to whet appetites.
1918264;1560626836;asciilifeform;to sorta tie into the 'games' thrd, found out by way of digging for mipsisms, that : 'playstation 1' toy box was apparently a mips (3000) .
1918265;1560626872;diana_coman;heh, sounds like a very nice vacation indeed
1918266;1560626880;asciilifeform;strangely enuff, dun seem that any of the game emulator people, ever baked a properly hand-asmed emu for it
1918267;1560626914;*;asciilifeform actually scoured 'shithub' & etc. , found none
1918268;1560626956;asciilifeform;notably, i reject bellard's approach to emuism , where he 'dynamically recompiles' . imho it aint worth the 9000x moar complex clockwork.
1918269;1560627005;asciilifeform;there is ~not~ a shortage of irons. but there ~is~ a shortage of soft that actually behaves to spec and fitsinhead.
1918270;1560627084;asciilifeform;in my clockwork there is no heap allocation, and errything that can live in machine reg, does. (the only allocation is one mmap, for the emu-ram, a user-specified x GB chunk, after that 100% regs/stack)
1918271;1560627160;asciilifeform;stack is also statically allotted on warmup, a la ffa.
1918272;1560627180;diana_coman;nice
1918273;1560627211;asciilifeform;in principle possible to add e.g. vga to this, and have pc boot straight into it.
1918274;1560627858;mircea_popescu;i think you have a point, re compiles.
1918275;1560627890;asciilifeform;ever tried to read bellard's 'qemu' ? i dunno if decade would be enough to eat it, trb-style, even if did nuffin else.
1918276;1560627925;asciilifeform;( recall that there's been 2-3 published vulns for it per month, for , what, 5y nao )
1918277;1560627981;asciilifeform;other aspect of this, picture trying to rewrite a 'dynamic' emu like bellard's, to run on e.g. arm.
1918278;1560628125;asciilifeform;it won't even astonish asciilifeform if in the end finds out that purely-interpreter algo actually clocks faster on recent (10y) pc irons than 'dynamic'. cuz fits in l0 cache and dun rewrite executable pages (i.e. dun blow the cache erry time it farts)
1918279;1560628212;asciilifeform;incidentally when asming on amd (possibly intel also, but i threw out my intel datashits..) can hand-crank the cache when desired.
1918280;1560628530;asciilifeform;[http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Gzfvl/?raw=true][1 example of sim-inst, 'branch on less than zero'], to give illustration of the moving parts.
1918281;1560628583;asciilifeform;i.e. ffa-style mux for the sim-branch clockwork.
1918282;1560628789;*;mircea_popescu is listening quietly.
1918283;1560628820;asciilifeform;the only thing to add, possibly for n00bz, is the observation that you can actually use all the machine regs, as pictured above, if you dun have any c or other compiled lang in the proggy
1918284;1560628855;asciilifeform;can reclaim e.g. ebp, r8-15 etc, which normally clobbered by the proc call abi.
1918285;1560628889;asciilifeform;( must save/load'em when calling unix to drive console i/o, disk, etc. when under a unix, but on bare irons not even this )
1918286;1560628954;asciilifeform;much broader range of things you can do, if yer asmism is standalone rather than inlined into gnat etc.
1918287;1560628987;asciilifeform;theoretically, in naked iron variant, can simply translate the mips page tbl into pc's. but this is for much later.
1918288;1560629059;asciilifeform;folx w/ nitpicks, thoughts re potential applications, etc. plox to write in!
1918289;1560629062;*;asciilifeform bbl:teatime!
1918290;1560632387;lobbes;!!rated Mocky
1918291;1560632388;deedbot;lobbes rated Mocky 1 at 2018/05/19 00:55:42 << newblood^rad; does things, keeps blog
1918292;1560632408;lobbes;!!rate Mocky 3 met irl; he's good people
1918293;1560632411;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Zq7xJ/?raw=true
1918294;1560632471;lobbes;!!v 7B574A17134617B82BCABC7F4C594A2099410B96224080033340816245C747B5
1918295;1560632472;deedbot;lobbes updated rating of Mocky from 1 to 3 << met irl; he's good people
1918296;1560633119;mircea_popescu;and so the web grows!!!
1918297;1560639520;Mocky;!!v F4D4496A7111453C0292B2DE520A9457DD1A00C8F3A8E34333C48FDEBDFB99C0
1918298;1560639521;deedbot;Mocky rated lobbes 3 << we shared firewater
1918299;1560641406;BingoBoingo;And the WoT grows meatier in its fibers
1918300;1560692872;mircea_popescu;in other shit nobody cares about, it's quite impossible to describe just how much romania's decayed since joining the eu -- particularly in the past 5/10 eyars.
1918301;1560693019;mircea_popescu;dying-dead-decaying-decayed as a metaphorical approach sounds trite through overuse, but it's also chillingly accurate. from the very specific feel of the particular manner in whichaustro-hungarian architectural heritage's decaying (becayse yes, this is very highly specific, it's not just a word or just ten words, it's "german musical universe" sort of precise, particular and specific)
1918302;1560693077;mircea_popescu;all the way to the drastic sadness of "supermarket" stocking or "posh" hangout places, including there the relationship of the people themselves to the obvious (and obviously disavowed) awareness of their inadequacy.
1918303;1560693130;mircea_popescu;be it the dentist who doesn't have an imaging cabinet at her "smileup tooth health center", and KNOWS she should, and goes to incredible lengths to subtly deal with this orally, get me to do this and that for her TWENTY DOLLAR consultation fee
1918304;1560693214;mircea_popescu;be it the "dj" who, atop the roof of a parking lot, is trying to "mc" some of the saddest retarded-white-trash-kids-from-the-ghetto-made-themselves-a-band-just-like-their-mommies-heard-those-rich-suburban-kids-used-to-do-in-THEIR-moms-garages-backintheninteties
1918305;1560693270;mircea_popescu;i could go on, but it's not worht anyone's time. call them centrul preorasenesc "romania", si mai da-i si-n pula.
1918306;1560695861;diana_coman;lolz, except the dentist part the rest sounds quite familiar re ro, yes
1918307;1560695904;asciilifeform;lol! what does this sorta dentist even do ? operate door-rope-powered tooth puller ?!
1918308;1560695931;mircea_popescu;i have nfi. hangs out with nicoleci 's described "matress store" consisting of a piling of matresses and an old woman in a room
1918309;1560696009;mircea_popescu;it's not any one detail, though. it's the system. they've meanwhile re-crystalised their idiocy, and it remarkably preserved just about all of it.
1918310;1560696069;diana_coman;how was it, "vin ai nostri, pleac-ai nostri, noi ramanem tot ca prostii"
1918311;1560696108;mircea_popescu;i suspect demographic collapse is at the root of it. by the end of 90s, about half of the top first percentile had left the country.
1918312;1560696131;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: timis seemed quite empty of people.
1918313;1560696140;mircea_popescu;by the time 2001 rolled around, that nigger at dept of state and all the rest of the lulz -- about half of the top 5% had left
1918314;1560696159;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, as 2020 is just around the corner -- three quarters of the top quarter left.
1918315;1560696164;mircea_popescu;this is societal colapse.
1918316;1560696177;asciilifeform;i suspect bottom also left, those toilets in germany won't polish themselves
1918317;1560696199;mircea_popescu;no, that
1918318;1560696206;mircea_popescu;s what the bottom half of the top quarter are doing.
1918319;1560696215;*;asciilifeform believes
1918320;1560698108;mircea_popescu;o look at that, they can't even do internets.
1918321;1560698113;mircea_popescu;anyways, i was entertaining vague "why not buy a few acres of orchard somewhere, plant down a haremhous". but i'm now thoroughly disabused of a notion
1918322;1560698133;asciilifeform;hm i thought mircea_popescu already did this last mo
1918323;1560698136;mircea_popescu;as cool concrete two level subteranean "parking" / basement built to industrial standards would be... in this shithole it'd be a liability more than anything.
1918324;1560698148;mircea_popescu;do what ?
1918325;1560698154;asciilifeform;in http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-23#1915371
1918326;1560698154;a111;Logged on 2019-05-23 19:57 mircea_popescu: hello all, from the european castle mp!
1918327;1560698165;mircea_popescu;oh. it's a rental ;/
1918328;1560698169;asciilifeform;aa!
1918329;1560698289;mircea_popescu;unless i rent a mall... and honestly, the shit here is not worth owning.
1918330;1560698317;mircea_popescu;somehow romania consists of a large aggregate pile of debris whose individual cost to own exceeds both expected lifetime utility and replacement value
1918331;1560698350;mircea_popescu;and don't ask me how this is possible. i have nfi how it is possible. i agree it violates basic economic laws.
1918332;1560698365;asciilifeform;i thought mircea_popescu rented errywhere, i.e. nowhere actually +ev to own the walls
1918333;1560698378;mircea_popescu;as i said, was ~entertaining~
1918334;1560698406;mircea_popescu;you can not rent the hosue i'd build for any money. mostly because nobody generally includes half inch thick steel rings in the little girls' basement cellrooms
1918335;1560698444;mircea_popescu;they like... [http://trilema.com/2015/very-bad-things/#selection-37.1-37.32][marry] them instead and shit.
1918336;1560698464;asciilifeform;perhaps can rent that gitmo branch office bush II built in ro. betcha has rings.
1918337;1560698474;mircea_popescu;it's the saddest thing...
1918338;1560698482;mircea_popescu;didn't even fucking build it.
1918339;1560698497;asciilifeform;shoemaker production?
1918340;1560698526;mircea_popescu;nah, pre-ww2
1918341;1560698537;mircea_popescu;shitty, 1 bathroom per floor and what's a 3x3 meter tub
1918342;1560698583;mircea_popescu;(srsly people, what the FUCK is the point of having tubs smaller than the human being ? you don't make beds like that, do you ?)
1918343;1560698597;*;asciilifeform without even being mircea_popescu , in the past negotiated 'i'll rent this if you put in x, y, z' leases
1918344;1560698614;mircea_popescu;yeah, but how are they gonna excavate a floor underneath ?
1918345;1560698635;asciilifeform;this is a point, ameristani matchstick dwellings much cheaper to rework
1918346;1560698665;mircea_popescu;moreover, how are they gonna make it be in an old orchard ?
1918347;1560698689;mircea_popescu;item has to have narrowly pre-existed me
1918348;1560698715;asciilifeform;moreover, old but not ~too~, iirc the tree is good for 2-3 decades
1918349;1560698721;mircea_popescu;yes.
1918350;1560698728;mircea_popescu;depends on the tree, but anyways
1918351;1560699285;mircea_popescu;ideally what i'd want would be 16 or so hectare's worth of wel ldrained soil on calcarous substrate, moderatelly hilly, covered in walnut or mixed cherry planted 20 meters apart sometime around 1970 ; within 20 miles of a main road but not closer than 5.
1918352;1560699294;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: what, no proper old buildings with basement and acres of land ? conace, cule
1918353;1560699304;mircea_popescu;i guess other trees might work, but certainly not fucking "prodution" apple or other 3 meter tall lolshits
1918354;1560699316;mircea_popescu;and, obviously, it'd have to not be in this jurisdiction, because romania sucks.
1918355;1560699336;mircea_popescu;(notwithstanding that i do not believe the item described physically exists in this whole oregon, because the locals are monkeys)
1918356;1560699348;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, o laie.
1918357;1560699378;mircea_popescu;nothing built before 1950 is built in any fucking sense, what, ima dynamite pathways for plumbing through their haphazard river rock and mortar aglomerations ?
1918358;1560699401;*;mircea_popescu would not take "classic" euro "palace" for free, piece of shit HAS NO BATHROOMS
1918359;1560699540;diana_coman;renovated old buildings so I'd assume they actually have that sort of thing but admittedly I haven't actually visited any of those myself (and fwiw afaik wineyards or woods rather than orchards)
1918360;1560699564;diana_coman;I don't think I actually know of ANY orchard as I'd want it in whole Romania, myeah.
1918361;1560699713;asciilifeform;retrofitting a toilet, bath, aint exactly mars mission tho
1918362;1560699737;mircea_popescu;it is.
1918363;1560699757;asciilifeform;easier at any rate than building time machine to plant, lol, orchard in '70
1918364;1560699780;mircea_popescu;you think so because you've never tried. but it is my considered oppinion retrofitting bath into 1800s "palace" is marginally more pleasant than retrofitting sane memory managemet into windows excel.
1918365;1560699790;asciilifeform;admittedly -- not tried.
1918366;1560699796;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, have visited, would not live there.
1918367;1560699917;*;asciilifeform reminded by this of the time he went to bmore and was shown around various ruins, 'wouldja like to buy the whole block? why not?' then added up the cost of terraforming...
1918368;1560699963;diana_coman;well, look we got ps "for free" and it's not even THAT old!
1918369;1560700005;mircea_popescu;ikr.
1918370;1560700021;mircea_popescu;but it's also not rock -- that stands upon itself as only support.
1918371;1560700106;mircea_popescu;one of [http://trilema.com/2009/el-ingenioso-hidalgo-don-quijote-de-la-mancha-si-conul-andrei-pippidi][the first articles on trilema] is about ~this. my opinion hasn't mellowed out with age, but on the contrary -- from an utilitarian perspective, the leftover constructions are fit for demolition and naught else.
1918372;1560700158;mircea_popescu;sure, one might preserve them, as museums. but i wouldn't wanna live in the house a rich jew from 1819 built for himself and his family anymore than i'd wanna live in the mote & baily some never-washed briton built for the ugly lass he broke his prick in
1918373;1560700784;diana_coman;from at least one perspective, it's hard to argue why would one ever actually *want* to leave in someone else's house - assuming that it was indeed built to fit the original owner's specific idiosynchrasies rather than to fit the times, the neighbours, the architect or whatever else
1918374;1560700795;diana_coman;to live*
1918375;1560700825;mircea_popescu;yes, but standardized "the times" housing as available now is... well...
1918376;1560700831;mircea_popescu;you know, like fast food. but exactly. mchouses.
1918377;1560700841;mircea_popescu;"you can't say it ISNT food"
1918378;1560700924;diana_coman;that much is true and partially why the old houses are "better" - because at least less mchouse in principle, at least along the lines that it's anyway picked as "the best of old houses since the worst are anyway not even standing anymore"
1918379;1560700940;mircea_popescu;much like lisp "is better"
1918380;1560700945;mircea_popescu;better at what, not running ?
1918381;1560700992;diana_coman;pretty much like that; better than cpp
1918382;1560701005;mircea_popescu;just not native to any system you can buy, is all.
1918383;1560701211;*;asciilifeform went and dug up [http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-03#1495425]['asciilifeform in bmore' thrd], and saw that he used a rubbish image paste thing. this was a mistake, and nao corrected. [http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bmore16/index.html][perma-archive of the item nao here.]
1918384;1560701211;a111;Logged on 2016-07-03 02:06 asciilifeform: it wasn't condemned
1918385;1560701375;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo ^ may find of interest.
1918386;1560701399;*;asciilifeform brb:teatime
1918387;1560702963;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: ty
1918388;1560702999;BingoBoingo;In other news ARGIES FUCKED ELECTRICITY UP today
1918389;1560703057;BingoBoingo;Does not appear to have affected the Pizarro rack. Took out power in the habitation module for some time.
1918390;1560703102;BingoBoingo;https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/apagon-masivo-afecta-a-todo-uruguay-y-argentina-20196169355
1918391;1560703526;BingoBoingo;Argentine coverage of the matter http://archive.is/gw1GY
1918392;1560705395;mircea_popescu;keks
1918393;1560705465;BingoBoingo;Note that in the Argentine-Uruguay interconnection relationship... Argentina is the IMPORTER!
1918394;1560705592;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile in horse fights https://www.montevideo.com.uy/Noticias/Mujica-sobre-Cosse--La-criticaron-por-el-Antel-Arena-y-ahora-va-a-venir-a-jugar-la-NBA--uc721433
1918395;1560705606;mircea_popescu;but ofcourse
1918396;1560705637;BingoBoingo;"Refiriéndose a la precandidata como "la doña", Mujica afirmó que "le cortó la cara a las multinacionales de la comunicación y contribuyó a que Uruguay sea el país más digitalizado de América Latina" y que "la criticaron por el Antel Arena pero ahora va a venir la NBA a jugar" en él."
1918397;1560705737;mircea_popescu;digital black dudes ?
1918398;1560705852;mircea_popescu;these orc minds in which "to critique" is the up to date, digital way to say the bad
1918399;1560705865;BingoBoingo;I suspect some sort of exhibition or maybe the Harlem globetrotters misrepresented as the NBA. Worst NBA team versus national champion Aguada could be pretty lulzy
1918400;1560705902;mircea_popescu;or maybe the us infrastructure's crumbling to the degree nba actually has to play in uruguay
1918401;1560705906;mircea_popescu;that and declining cable interest.
1918402;1560705947;BingoBoingo;I suspect "la criticaron" when used by Mujica is him trying to sell his socialism as Frenchish
1918403;1560706006;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> that and declining cable interest. << So Antel has a free tv streaming thing all of their customers can use. One of its few channels is NBA network
1918404;1560706209;BingoBoingo;It seems the US sports bubble is fairly well popped with the NFL and NBA having popped the most.
1918405;1560706219;mircea_popescu;aha
1918406;1560706225;mircea_popescu;not going back up, either.
1918407;1560706269;mircea_popescu;for the first time ever, the 1-in-10 girls athlete (aka stripper) will outincome the 1-in-100k boy athlete (aka black dude)
1918408;1560706296;BingoBoingo;Hockey appears to be thriving either in spite, or because it doesn't draw the excess ananlyst wank Basketball and handegg do
1918409;1560706318;mircea_popescu;nah, it cycled later. peaked in the 90s. will be i nthe same hole 2025ish
1918410;1560706352;BingoBoingo;Hockey gets great veiwership numbers, but can't be national headline subject because not black.
1918411;1560706428;BingoBoingo;The bubble though is very visible in baseball where, without salary caps or other "fairness" things.. the free agent market has been very dead the past two years.
1918412;1560706430;mircea_popescu;also why it still gets (comparatively) great viewership numbers
1918413;1560706550;BingoBoingo;Apparently 6, maybe 7 figure paleface crowd went to Saint Louis to celebrate them getting the hockey trophy. There apparently were no typical "urban" incidents of note.
1918414;1560706673;BingoBoingo;Crowd appeared to have temporarily altered the city's demographics sufficiently to be ~Portland instead of ~Detroit for the day
1918415;1560708740;jurov;!!v 40D92FDA0E369D1F5FF1660CBD25D0DAB2315FA64AC973028C8916806DFBE481
1918416;1560708744;deedbot;jurov paid BingoBoingo invoice 13
1918417;1560718777;feedbot;http://pizarroisp.net/2019/06/16/pizarro-isp-june-16th-update/ << PizarroISP -- Pizarro ISP June 16th Update
1918418;1560723400;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/06/argentine-fuckup-leads-to-power-outages-in-argentina-uruguay-and-parts-of-other-south-american-countries/ << Qntra -- Argentine Fuckup Leads To Power Outages In Argentina, Uruguay, And Parts Of Other South American Countries
1918419;1560726797;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: s/mot/most
1918420;1560726820;BingoBoingo;ty, fxd
1918421;1560728683;feedbot;http://bingology.net/2019/06/16/the-environmental-problem-in-the-new-world-part-two/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- The Environmental Problem In The New World: Part Two
1918422;1560732990;BingoBoingo;An update on the power situation: Since the local power company must compensate customers for outages here, today's events incurred a rather substantial damage. Curious to see the fireworks that'll happen whether or not UTE pursues the money from Argentina's power company.
1918423;1560733048;BingoBoingo;Also back to exporting electricity to Argentina though unsure what load on their grid they could be satifying given their very slow restoration of luz
1918424;1560733236;asciilifeform;far upstack : [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-15#1918255][this] is typo : correct mips in question is the 'r3000'.
1918425;1560733236;a111;Logged on 2019-06-15 19:14 asciilifeform: aim is a 'mips 4000' compat. item (for ease of hardwarization, when time comes) if anyone cares. and at some pt will also have to port gnat, cuntoo... to it.
1918426;1560733239;asciilifeform;ftr.
1918427;1560733263;asciilifeform;('r4000' is the earliest ~64bit~ mipsoid)
1918428;1560750415;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo, so do you have power now ?
1918429;1560750557;mircea_popescu;in other http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-05#1917374 obscura : apparently the "just as good" (spoiler : not very good) replacement is something called "paxum". also the hardcore wannabes / [http://trilema.com/2016/to-the-dao-and-the-ethereum-community-fuck-you][rape] victims gathered around "ethereum" made a localethers something or the other clone, of course.
1918430;1560750557;a111;Logged on 2019-06-05 22:05 Mocky: localbitcoins decides to turn away all their remaining legitimate users in. RIP LBC http://archive.is/kfpKC
1918431;1560750730;mircea_popescu;(ethereum people are really 100% about bitcoin, kinda like how us-based, nominally "protestant" supposedly independent "churches" are 100% about catholicism ; or us-based "nigger hating" / "taking down the zog machine jew by jew by jew" "white power" groups are 100% about [http://trilema.com/2015/racists-and-the-racist-idea/][please fuck my wife now, she's ovulating]. it's the us thing, don't ask me to explain it.)
1918432;1560750760;mircea_popescu;i guess #metoo actually says it all.
1918433;1560751521;mircea_popescu;!!v 0BEF5A558D705BA88015F05C00F9C0EC9AE558BBB0046AB8AA9B1301F07DA922
1918434;1560751526;deedbot;mircea_popescu paid BingoBoingo invoice 14
1918435;1560751567;mircea_popescu;trinque, hey, were you gonna do something about that count so it's not lifetime but "currently active" ? or where was the discussion left at
1918436;1560754430;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I have power, Uruguay in general has power, rack appears to have never lost power.
1918437;1560754472;BingoBoingo;I was without power for a few hours.
1918438;1560754598;BingoBoingo;Within 8 hours, most of Uruguay had power restored. Apparently across the river that was not the case
1918439;1560755111;mircea_popescu;alrighty then!
1918440;1560755366;BingoBoingo;What is more dificult to discern is whether Argentina is restoring their power and how quickly
1918441;1560755380;mircea_popescu;fuck 'em
1918442;1560755401;mircea_popescu;there's absolutely nothing argentina needs power FOR
1918443;1560755408;mircea_popescu;electric power or any other kind of power.
1918444;1560755449;BingoBoingo;Especially not since their are importing luz to run resistive heaters that don't do SHA-256
1918445;1560755455;mircea_popescu;they can do whatever it is they do without. without power, without anything else. in fact -- they could do whatever it is they do just as well without existing at all.
1918446;1560755457;mircea_popescu;hopefully next june.
1918447;1560755501;*;mircea_popescu genuinely hopes argentina altogether fucking ends, both in aggregate and in all individual components.
1918448;1560755528;mircea_popescu;should never have been permitted to exist in the first place, unseemly fucking abscess on the butt of the world.
1918449;1560755545;BingoBoingo;Not unprobably. Whatever Argentina's bureacrats do by candelight tomorrow is probably going to piss off both rotary-guays
1918450;1560755682;BingoBoingo;If Argentina's fuckery took Paraguay's dam out of sync and damaged anything there aren't enough turkeys over there to resolve that tort
1918451;1560755736;BingoBoingo;1860s all over again except triple alliance is Brazil and the two guays against Deptitina
1918452;1560755756;mircea_popescu;yeah, the more modern, mroe efficient dam gear squeezes that extra % at the cost of all sorts of intolerances. you can't run a dam on no load
1918453;1560755840;BingoBoingo;Deeper investigation after the Qntra on the subject turned up the interconnect station that shat the bed was taking input from the Salto Grande Uruguay and Argentina share the frame of in addition to the big Paraguay dam
1918454;1560756094;BingoBoingo;Anyways, Argentine fuckery opened all sorts of torts
1918455;1560756119;mircea_popescu;too bad slavery's no longer the default resolution of tort.
1918456;1560756182;BingoBoingo;Anyways the Uruguayos did demonstrate they are not as fucked as the Argentines by at least an order of magnitude, maybe two or three will be demonstrated by July first
1918457;1560760430;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo, "short windows of time"
1918458;1560767199;mircea_popescu;in light of the marked tendency of your last dozen or so articles, is it the case you're sorta training in the corner for a trishophood ?
1918459;1560771910;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in #harem news, tangle (tm) wrist-bound but otherwise nude raver girlies make for a pretty... well, interior decoration, how shall we put this.
1918460;1560772761;diana_coman;the church of Bingo Boingo doesn't even sound bad at all
1918461;1560772795;mircea_popescu;lol
1918462;1560785766;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: ty, fixed. trishophood would be some ways out. The last dozen few month's blog posts are mostly thought and note organization.
1918463;1560785875;BingoBoingo;Throwing out how the world appears to work as I understand it for the readers because I have the good fortune of having good reader who can rattle me closer to correctness if I am too far off
1918464;1560785994;BingoBoingo;Anyways, punchline of the last one is that the worst sites in the US aren't on the list because USG.MIL
1918465;1560786094;BingoBoingo;Follow up with some less headlined but egregious USG sites will probably be baked in a couple months.
1918466;1560791707;hanbot;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-17#1918429 << paxum pulled plug on btc in 2012, comes with AML verification for setup, etfc.
1918467;1560791707;a111;Logged on 2019-06-17 05:49 mircea_popescu: in other http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-05#1917374 obscura : apparently the "just as good" (spoiler : not very good) replacement is something called "paxum". also the hardcore wannabes / [http://trilema.com/2016/to-the-dao-and-the-ethereum-community-fuck-you][rape] victims gathered around "ethereum" made a localethers something or the other clone, of course.
1918468;1560791988;mircea_popescu;hanbot, really ? they were making a big deal about trying to benefit from localbitcoin closure
1918469;1560791993;asciilifeform;hanbot: i suspect that the entire idea of centralized bulletin board for 'buy & sell coin' is as intrinsically usgistic as that of a gox (i.e. centralized coin/fiat exchange). it makes for an irresistible target, and is why all to date eventually were killed & replaced w/ honeypot taxidermy of self
1918470;1560792006;mircea_popescu;is this a different paxum maybe ?
1918471;1560792022;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, all markets are centralized. how else would it work ?
1918472;1560792032;mircea_popescu;market is, definitionally, where demand and supply ~come together~
1918473;1560792068;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu himself had a piece re 'silk road' where 'some markets dun belong centralized, even if this makes for 9000x headache for user'
1918474;1560792115;mircea_popescu;i suspect equivocation on 'Centralized"
1918475;1560792149;asciilifeform;prolly worth expanding on subj
1918476;1560792187;asciilifeform;imho there's nuffin wrong with a board where folx post 'will buy', 'will sell', etc. problem starts when board operator purports to substitute own hands for users' correct use of wot
1918477;1560792271;asciilifeform;as, e.g., 'sr', 'localbitcoins', 'ebay', all do
1918478;1560792351;asciilifeform;that was the meaning of 'centralized' contemplated by asciilifeform
1918479;1560792359;mircea_popescu;but ~that board~ is centralzied
1918480;1560792401;mircea_popescu;and now ~that board~ is a readily available avenue of attack for the sort of morons who are threatened by naked women, slavery, nigger inferiority, what have you. as per ye olde http://trilema.com/2013/digging-through-archives-yields-gold/
1918481;1560792422;asciilifeform;only in the sense that e.g. a concrete, particular electron is 'centralized'. but it is readily idempotent with other electrons. and simple board that does 0 moderation or faux-wotism is similarly idempotent.
1918482;1560792431;mircea_popescu;obviously "nothing happens", until one day, when suddenly linus posts on his myspace page about how he's turned off a portion of github or w/e.
1918483;1560792463;mircea_popescu;this is nonsense. "idempotent" my foot. if it has a domain name, it has a domain name. if it has an ip instead, has an ip. if it uses a dns round robin, now there's the dns.
1918484;1560792477;mircea_popescu;WHATEVER IT IS, you can only have a market if you control the city.
1918485;1560792523;asciilifeform;so per mircea_popescu's model, problem of 'btc bazar' is 'uci-complete' ?
1918486;1560792528;mircea_popescu;yep.
1918487;1560792566;hanbot;mircea_popescu, zero mention of btc anywhere on paxum.com. there's pax*ful*, i guess. for some reason lists market price at a 9% discount, iono what kind of "market" it can be.
1918488;1560792568;asciilifeform;i'm not 100% sold, but haven't with what to seriously disagree, so will buy
1918489;1560792577;mircea_popescu;hanbot, paxful, you're right.
1918490;1560792596;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, consider the ~other~ problem of market.
1918491;1560792617;mircea_popescu;definitionally, market is ~no barrier to entry~. if you have to buy a ticket to get in, it's no longer a market, it's a disco club.
1918492;1560792622;mircea_popescu;whatever, burlesque show.
1918493;1560792665;asciilifeform;as described in [http://trilema.com/2013/in-which-we-discuss-datskovskiys-discussion-of-mpex/#comment-91947][ye olde mpex thread] aha
1918494;1560792698;asciilifeform;or hm, possibly was somewhere else
1918495;1560792746;asciilifeform;dunno re 'not market' tho, plenty of market require substantial ticket to get in (very same mpex, or the old nasdaq et al etc)
1918496;1560792748;mircea_popescu;i guess so ?
1918497;1560792834;*;hanbot wonders what quantity of busypaperwork/waiting in line/befriending idiot doorkeepers suffices as standing for "paying for ticket"
1918498;1560792859;mircea_popescu;any.
1918499;1560792889;hanbot;lol show me a market sometime, i'd love to see it! :D
1918500;1560792899;mircea_popescu;we're working on it.
1918501;1560792907;asciilifeform;i dunno where exists this frictionless horse, the market with no entry cost. at the very least one needs working legs (or , in mechanized market, a working comp & net pipe ) neh
1918502;1560792909;mircea_popescu;and don't you dare mention how it's slow.
1918503;1560792938;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, perfect money, like perfect markets, like perfect health and ideal love, are not of this world.
1918504;1560792970;asciilifeform;this is tru, i dun have a perfect circle on my desk either
1918505;1560792993;mircea_popescu;yet that perfect cifcle you don't have informs a lot more of your daily activity than whatever else.
1918506;1560793008;asciilifeform;entirely correct
1918507;1560793065;asciilifeform;arguably summarizes what higher nervous system is even ~for~
1918508;1560793083;mircea_popescu;right.
1918509;1560793202;asciilifeform;ftr asciilifeform is satisfied that the only final pill against http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-17#1918482 is 'gossip' net, approx. as pictured in mircea_popescu's piece & accomp. thrds.
1918510;1560793202;a111;Logged on 2019-06-17 17:27 mircea_popescu: obviously "nothing happens", until one day, when suddenly linus posts on his myspace page about how he's turned off a portion of github or w/e.
1918511;1560793219;mircea_popescu;right.
1918512;1560793251;mircea_popescu;i don't come up with this shit because i have a very peculiar sense of humour, or for some sort of art project, or because i'm fucking bored some evening.
1918513;1560793296;mircea_popescu;i'm just sitting around all day wondering why nobody can have any good shit. why ~EXACTLY~.
1918514;1560793339;asciilifeform;it's an actual problem, and incidentally was quite obv. even prior, in ye olde warez-apocalypse days. simply happens that all the would-be 'solvers' gabriel_laddelized their 'solutions'
1918515;1560793345;asciilifeform;and ended up with 'tor' & co.
1918516;1560793367;mircea_popescu;indeed it was ; and so it did ; and woe and sadness upon the half men riding their half-measured rabbits to battle.
1918517;1560793448;asciilifeform;there's a lengthy rogue's gallery of these laddelizations, 'freenet', 'gnunet', etc
1918518;1560793458;asciilifeform;iirc we had entomolo-thrd re subj
1918519;1560793751;asciilifeform;[http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-05#1746741][e.g.]
1918520;1560793751;a111;Logged on 2017-12-05 17:15 asciilifeform: and 'Ian Clarke is the founder and coordinator of the Freenet Project...' << single-handed judas goat and jailer of who knows how many idjits who thought they were 'communicating seekoorely'
1918521;1560797821;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/06/cloudflare-shitgnomes-hyping-randomness-beacons/ << Qntra -- Cloudflare Shitgnomes Hyping "Randomness Beacons"
1918522;1560797863;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: s/Hygenic/Hygienic
1918523;1560797882;BingoBoingo;ty, fxd
1918524;1560798398;asciilifeform;http://qntra.net/2019/06/cloudflare-shitgnomes-hyping-randomness-beacons/#comment-130694 ftr.
1918525;1560798518;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: ty, I new I missed a lulzy linkable
1918526;1560798699;asciilifeform;ftr i have nuffin against public rng per se, one of which [http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-12#1861125][i used to good effect, albeit naturally not for crypto, in early 2000s]
1918527;1560798699;a111;Logged on 2018-10-12 17:36 asciilifeform: ( my sim -- converged!11 -- when i fed it... don lancaster's geiger rng tarball. )
1918528;1560798735;asciilifeform;pretty obv what the current crop's motivation is, tho.
1918529;1560798798;mircea_popescu;usg.apple, aka not-apple. usg.*, === not-*
1918530;1560799062;asciilifeform;hm?
1918531;1560799080;mircea_popescu;the current crop's motivation.
1918532;1560799300;asciilifeform;incidentally imho for almost any non-crypto application like the above, [http://nosuchlabs.com/fg/nosuchlabs_FG_1024MB_phreesample.bin][the FG 1GB demo turd] would prolly suffice with plenty left over
1918533;1560799376;asciilifeform;( lancaster's, that i ate , was considerably smaller, iirc no moar than 200MB , and did not need anyffin like all of it . )
1918534;1560799435;asciilifeform;[http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-27#811490][see also e.g.]
1918535;1560799435;a111;Logged on 2014-08-27 02:03 asciilifeform: bats_cd03: 'random' means one thing if you're running 'monte carlo' sims (digits of 'pi' work beautifully, as does 'A Million Random Digits with 100,000 Normal Deviates' (rand corp, 1955. book.))
1918536;1560799524;*;asciilifeform always found it interesting that e.g. evolved nn sim, and many other related problems, work pretty well as distinguishing litmus for prngism vs trng
1918537;1560799657;asciilifeform;'naked eye' fooled by 'looks random!111', whereas process that actually gotta walk the solution space uniformly -- not.
1918538;1560803410;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1918539;1560804059;BingoBoingo;Numerals aren't always the best way to view certain qualities of numbers
1918540;1560809175;asciilifeform;'[global notice] Hi all. We'll be restarting services in 5 minutes' << what btw happened to the 'migrate from fleanode' proj ?
1918541;1560812618;mircea_popescu;it died where engineers had to talk to people.
1918542;1560812641;asciilifeform;meanwhile, [https://archive.is/kg2kc][in heathen lulz: Linux >= 2.6.29... ... A sequence of SACKs may be crafted such that one can trigger an integer overflow, leading to a kernel panic] i.e. 'packet'o'death'.
1918543;1560812669;mircea_popescu;entirely 0 human beings available, if counting by the criteria of "capable of getting a ircd federated by ANY other network"
1918544;1560812692;mircea_popescu;and no, i am not AT ALL happy about it. quite the opposite, in fact.
1918545;1560812715;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: did nobody answer the req ? or not even got as far as anyone asking
1918546;1560812735;mircea_popescu;you were here, weren't you ?
1918547;1560812753;mircea_popescu;it dweebed away once it became clear it's one of those things with talking to girls in them.
1918548;1560812758;asciilifeform;looked in log, and not found any report of the askers
1918549;1560812771;asciilifeform;i'ma have to do this chore aint i. on top of errything.
1918550;1560812789;mircea_popescu;i guess the logical summation of this would be that we all sit down and make a pact
1918551;1560812795;mircea_popescu;that we'll get laid before highschool is out
1918552;1560812800;mircea_popescu;this is how these films usually start.
1918553;1560812801;asciilifeform;lol
1918554;1560812807;mircea_popescu;we'll call it RETARD PIE 3!
1918555;1560812948;*;asciilifeform believe or not, did not see the film in q
1918556;1560849556;feedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2019/06/18/euloran-blus-and-boos/ << Ossa Sepia -- Euloran Blu's and Boos
1918557;1560865972;asciilifeform;re [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-17#1918542][upstack] >> anyone using one of asciilifeform's kernels can use simple cure :  echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_sack
1918558;1560865972;a111;Logged on 2019-06-17 23:04 asciilifeform: meanwhile, [https://archive.is/kg2kc][in heathen lulz: Linux >= 2.6.29... ... A sequence of SACKs may be crafted such that one can trigger an integer overflow, leading to a kernel panic] i.e. 'packet'o'death'.
1918559;1560866008;asciilifeform;... when we finally have a genesised kernel, can rip that nonsense out entirely.
1918560;1560879445;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/the-professor/ << Trilema -- The Professor
1918561;1560884490;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/06/uk-human-rights-activist-owns-israeli-spyware-firm/ << Qntra -- UK "Human Rights" Activist Owns Israeli Spyware Firm
1918562;1560888513;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/majesty-2/ << Trilema -- Majesty (2)
1918563;1560888524;BingoBoingo;Aite, some sort of cyclone is supposed to hit here tonight. Alerta Naranja to the west, but only Alerta Amarilla here in the city. Advertised wind speeds aren't anything impressive by Midwest standards, but figured I'd offer notice. Not often that the supermarket lines are this long during the middle of the month.
1918564;1560911130;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in dept. of wtf, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/mpofb/?raw=true
1918565;1560911175;asciilifeform;iirc this was a former... patient of mircea_popescu's
1918566;1560911223;asciilifeform;( spoiler : medicine -- powerless. asciilifeform recommends glue factory )
1918567;1560911349;mircea_popescu;was this the indian whore / starlet ?
1918568;1560911374;asciilifeform;i think so
1918569;1560911385;asciilifeform;!#seen indiancandy1
1918570;1560911385;a111;2017-12-22 <indiancandy1> okay
1918571;1560911389;mircea_popescu;i dunno, iirc she just showed up started talking some day
1918572;1560911405;asciilifeform;iirc was a 'tits' provider.
1918573;1560911434;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-04#743686
1918574;1560911434;a111;Logged on 2014-07-04 12:20 indiancandy1: http://imgur.com/JlzKjcw
1918575;1560911448;asciilifeform;aaha, there we go.
1918576;1560911464;mircea_popescu;a right, wouldn't write on them or something, i dun recall. might've been one of the earliest
1918577;1560911479;asciilifeform;pretty odd photo, imho, loox almost as if the tits were in place of cuntlips somehow
1918578;1560911517;asciilifeform;a++ built-in battery contacts tho.
1918579;1560911547;mircea_popescu;keks.
1918580;1560911582;mircea_popescu;i suspect this might've been one of the candidates that didn't make it for... recall i was auditioning for whores to do some reading or the other at some point ? ended up with this high energy brunette
1918581;1560911606;mircea_popescu;it's kinda hazy by now, but anyway.
1918582;1560911613;asciilifeform;i recall this. also another oddity, it wouldn't insert anyffin
1918583;1560911639;asciilifeform;( at which pt asciilifeform wondered if it indeed is genuine chix )
1918584;1560911672;mircea_popescu;i dun recall, nfi.
1918585;1560911726;asciilifeform;if i had an undergrad penal battalion, would assign it hw to write script which simulates this critter.
1918586;1560911736;asciilifeform;beyond this nfi what else it is good for.
1918587;1560911742;mircea_popescu;the batallion ?
1918588;1560911747;asciilifeform;lolno
1918589;1560911749;asciilifeform;indiancandy
1918590;1560911780;mircea_popescu;eh, good for. there's no intrinsic utility to natural phenomena. what's water molecule good for ? it bangs around back and forth, what good.
1918591;1560911823;asciilifeform;water, great. but what use for e.g. that jar of flies asciilifeform has hanging on balcony. (y'know, the kind with funnel and jam, 1way valve).
1918592;1560911863;mircea_popescu;~same. "I'd like to give that opportunity to up to 10 groups/companies/people through patreon." or w/e.
1918593;1560911866;asciilifeform;there's nearly 200gram of fly, i think, nao
1918594;1560911930;asciilifeform;they found their patreon.
1918595;1560937641;mircea_popescu;!!up gallus17
1918596;1560937642;deedbot;gallus17 voiced for 30 minutes.
1918597;1560938847;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in other random lulz, https://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_81c68ea1c38fe926
1918598;1560939007;mircea_popescu;russel, not on the list (presumably because "not since 1945", notwithstanding legitimacy vs industrialism was 60s, iirc.
1918599;1560939035;diana_coman;wtf is that, voting "who do you think bestest philosopher" or what?
1918600;1560939039;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, obscure russel downstream, "anglophone" in the sense of being german, totally on the list.
1918601;1560939050;mircea_popescu;diana_coman cornell being intelemanctual, i guess.
1918602;1560939102;diana_coman;"feel like voting on something else?" lmao
1918603;1560939253;mircea_popescu;aaanyway, dude (carnap i mean) is probably the thing all the [http://trilema.com/2017/is-it-still-rape-if-i-write-science-on-my-penis-first/#identifier_0_71619][g. supran] subhumans perceive as their "truly truthiful undergirth", genuinely academic and intellectual because not-from-america and-we-dont-talk-about-that etc.
1918604;1560939273;mircea_popescu;sorta like a bayes for the femtards & assorted pantsuits that don't like systems of equations.
1918605;1560952720;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lol! asciilifeform could not even immediately think of 'english philosopher of 20th c' other than b. russel !
1918606;1560952788;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-19#1918597 << list seems to consist of a handful of... germans, + buncha 'whothefuck are these'
1918607;1560952788;a111;Logged on 2019-06-19 10:07 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other random lulz, https://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_81c68ea1c38fe926
1918608;1560957778;mircea_popescu;well, karl popper / thomas khun. tho they're philosophers in a very dubous sense, kuhn's a sociologist and popper's a historian of science.
1918609;1560957847;mircea_popescu;then there's the problem of "anglophone". by such criteria as could be insanely reconstructed from the piled remains, naggum would qualify ; and then he has to be on the list.
1918610;1560958008;mircea_popescu;if popper's a philosopher, thus therefore so are both r. feyman and that russian fellow who said "fuck you, who the fuck are you to give me awards, nitwits". much more of a philosopher (in the sartre-ian tradition) than whatever Deborah Mayo, this Audre Lorde professor emeritus of Women Can Add Too (if you don't rush them or say the mean about the buttock fats)
1918611;1560958062;mircea_popescu;https://www.phil.vt.edu/dmayo/personal_website/bibliography%20complete.htm << you might enjoy this COMPLETE bibliography, %20 windowsisms y compris.
1918612;1560958127;mircea_popescu;dumbass cuntlet wouldn't qualify for my introductory course on "how to write academic work as opposed to spinning wikipedia content like retards" at the night tradeschool for economically disadvantaged youths.
1918613;1560958203;BingoBoingo;Quite the lol-list
1918614;1560958265;BingoBoingo;Ah, the sidebar gives it away. It is a Brian Leiter production.
1918615;1560958274;BingoBoingo;Leiter's a notorious lolcow.
1918616;1560958318;BingoBoingo;Leiter~=Poettering
1918617;1560958449;mircea_popescu;and cornell's a notorious lolcow farm. and i don't teach HTWAWAOTSWCLR 101, thus "We learn from our mistakes. Few would take issue with this disctum. If it is more than merely a cliche, then it wouldseem of interest to epistemologists to inquire how knowledge is obtained from mistakes or from error." results in 62. Nicholas Rescher  loses to Rudolf Carnap by 140–8, loses to Deborah Mayo by 38–27 Alan Musgrave  loses to
1918618;1560958449;mircea_popescu; Rudolf Carnap by 138–3, loses to Deborah Mayo by 32–26 etc.
1918619;1560958611;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/qXufg << Sample Leiter https://archive.is/qXufg
1918620;1560958725;mircea_popescu;other than repurposed cat growers / arts & crafts [http://trilema.com/2014/leonard-cohen-and-what-his-unhappy-life-can-teach-us/#selection-189.0-189.388][poets], the foremost female on the list (at #9) is http://www.profnancycartwright.com/ ; as contemptible a piece of pantsuit shit / femstate "architect" as could be ever found. replete with all the makings of a typical [http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-10#1500575][macauley]
1918621;1560958725;a111;Logged on 2016-07-10 00:53 asciilifeform: 'A 59-year-old woman who was a senior official at a Washington think-tank was fatally stabbed in Baltimore’s Roland Park neighborhood as she was walking her dogs Friday night, police said.'
1918622;1560958725;mircea_popescu;, and obviously a perfect candidate for the same fate.
1918623;1560958919;mircea_popescu;but at least they got the willy wonka / warhol [http://trilema.com/2019/the-professor/#selection-169.182-169.243][hairdo] going. i mean... i guess it's something. right ? very weird hair ? grows from head ? in limine, intellectual production ? no ?
1918624;1560959064;mircea_popescu;anyway, mayo chick's totally worth a skipread, in the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-02#1916737 sense. " We can put together so potent an arsenal for unearthing a given error that when we fail to find it we have excellent grounds for concluding that the error is absent." and so on and on and forever .
1918625;1560959064;a111;Logged on 2019-06-02 06:01 mircea_popescu: https://pastebin.com/raw/N9v7gVfZ << this shit is too lulzy to not preserve ; last 5 lines totally make it.
1918626;1560959647;mircea_popescu;"Herein lies a presupposition commonly harbored by philosophers: namely. that empirical claims are only as reliable as the data from which they are inferred. The fact is that we can often arrive at rather accurate claims from far less accurate ones. Scattered measurements, for example, are not of much use, but with a little data massaging (e.g.. averaging) we can obtain a value of a quantity of interest that is far more ac
1918627;1560959647;mircea_popescu;curate than individual measurements. Durday-to-day learners from error know this fact but. to my knowledge. the only philosopher to attach deep significance to this seli—cortecting ability is C. 5. Peirce."
1918628;1560959819;asciilifeform;strong odor of shannonizer.
1918629;1560959856;mircea_popescu;except for the fact pierce never proposed supporting "global warming" and its ilk of nonsense on "massaged data" in the sense of "the [http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-23#1487815][golf club pattern-maker], put any data you wish in, see the same thing come out". nor would he have.
1918630;1560959856;a111;Logged on 2016-06-23 11:11 mircea_popescu: back in 2010ish, some derps from us academia came with "proof" of the (at the time still called) global warming nonsense, in the shape of a much-loved-bymedia "golf cross pattern".
1918631;1560959910;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, this is very transparently the aim here : "supporting social policy" on "science", as the necessary v2.0 of "supporting sorta-science financially through some bureaucratic process".
1918632;1560959954;BingoBoingo;In other news, this ciclón extratropical is rather disappointing.
1918633;1560959970;mircea_popescu;ie, "let's lie prettily to each other -- you, call us scientists  notwithstanding we're social cases, like any other ghetto queen ( with just as absent child rearing skills) ; we call you rational notwithstanding you're fucked in the head"
1918634;1560960034;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: afaik was simple plug-in replacement for the old relation b/w the royalty and the church
1918635;1560960044;mircea_popescu;quite.
1918636;1560960111;asciilifeform;( with the interesting twist that church, at least, presided over quite a bit of productive lands / serfs, whereas 'scientocrat' presides over... what? cube farm fulla monkeys on 'powerpoint' )
1918637;1560960149;mircea_popescu;exactly as per http://trilema.com/2013/what-is-art/ ; "why is this science ? cuz hilary says so. and who the fuck is hilary ? she's the one scientists claim god has anoin^H^H^H^H like very much and agree with"
1918638;1560960179;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there's exactly 0 connection between the 99% and any productive activty. in fact, you need about 500k or so people to run the entire world as it now stands
1918639;1560960183;mircea_popescu;everyone else is just dead weight.
1918640;1560960205;asciilifeform;[insert the robots thread here]
1918641;1560960293;mircea_popescu;aha.
1918642;1560960361;asciilifeform;i suspect tho, that if there actually ~were~ 500k, would get [http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-08#1748753][exactly what went on the last time there were 500k], all hang out on equator and eat from trees, indistinguishable from monkey
1918643;1560960361;a111;Logged on 2017-12-08 15:02 asciilifeform: the 'good climate makes folx lazy and slowly climbing 'back up to trees' ' item is an old saw, but i'm not aware of any major hole in the theory
1918644;1560960394;mircea_popescu;im guessing we shall be finding out in any case.
1918645;1560960426;asciilifeform;well possibly mircea_popescu at any rate.
1918646;1560960437;mircea_popescu;why me ?
1918647;1560960479;asciilifeform;cuz mircea_popescu is pretty good at this sorta thing.
1918648;1560960498;mircea_popescu;heh mkay
1918649;1560960569;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I'm guessing some lords are going to camp at latitudes with some sort of winter.
1918650;1560960612;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the folx with family reactors, i suppose, and a fondness for ski sport
1918651;1560960643;mircea_popescu;in fact, in technological world, outside cold more a resource than a hindrance.
1918652;1560960649;mircea_popescu;free reactor cooling ? yay.
1918653;1560960659;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Nah, the people who figure winter is a factor that allowed Europe to not do the tropical sloth.
1918654;1560960665;mircea_popescu;i expect once we're done butchering the supernumeraries, we'll mostly hang our about the artic circle
1918655;1560960666;BingoBoingo;And yes, resource.
1918656;1560960669;mircea_popescu;rather than the equator
1918657;1560960687;BingoBoingo;Or Patagonia may be cleaner.
1918658;1560960690;asciilifeform;north sea a++ for reactor. (reportedly, the largest ru subs in fact only worked there and nowhere else)
1918659;1560960692;mircea_popescu;cheaper to heat than to cool, anyways. chea<per to dress than to peel off, esp if nothing left to peel.
1918660;1560960704;BingoBoingo;Anyways, ballistic passenger service between hubs
1918661;1560960740;mircea_popescu;go hunting the africans, basically, as principal tropical activty.
1918662;1560960823;*;asciilifeform suspects that current-day africans would disappear quite quickly if were to be unplugged from clitler
1918663;1560960835;mircea_popescu;i meant debrah mayo and her brood.
1918664;1560960839;asciilifeform;a
1918665;1560960846;asciilifeform;them, however, also
1918666;1560960853;mircea_popescu;you ever seen http://trilema.com/2016/dark-horse/ btw ?
1918667;1560960864;*;asciilifeform has not
1918668;1560960883;mircea_popescu;that chick, the hepatitis walflower. present day african, the "maybe i'll be a writer" white female. not even white trash, but "middle class"
1918669;1560961084;mircea_popescu;kinda like cockroaches, very resilient. would probably feed on urban garbage / each other's aborted foetuses in any case. god knows they already eat soylent & assorted dogfood machine-delivered.
1918670;1560961169;BingoBoingo;Well, first they'll wank a bit about pseudo-aesthetic pseudo-ethics and make the pichi life a fad
1918671;1560961183;*;asciilifeform pessimistically observes that laziness is the dominant force, and historically 'sit on arse, eat fruit' is not even limited to tropical monkey men, and much of what today thought 'modern tech' dates to the last 2 population-pressure megawars
1918672;1560961259;asciilifeform;e.g. the synthetic nitrate that makes feeding 'mayo' possible, is a ww1 product
1918673;1560961329;mircea_popescu;by now they eat literal dogfood, that's literally called "soylent"
1918674;1560961335;mircea_popescu;marginal improvement on ramen.
1918675;1560961364;asciilifeform;incidentally the old mircea_popescuine prophecy re ersatz-phoods proceeding on schedule, reportedly a mcfood chain has finally swapped in synthetic chicken
1918676;1560961380;asciilifeform;(in place of the earlier homogenized scrap-gristle slurry)
1918677;1560961390;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo oh absolutely. it's already happening, and plenty. but, of course, in very self-unaware manner, very "matter of factedly", "this is how things are".
1918678;1560961449;mircea_popescu;very "sticky" misbehaviour, too, they'll squirm every which way, lie every turn of the ratchet, stick with each single possible aspect to the bitter end.
1918679;1560961464;mircea_popescu;and all the while, disavow any awareness of their proceeding.
1918680;1560961496;mircea_popescu;"these are my friends" "they're scumbags" "yes but" "also X" "yes but" "you are forbidden to y" "yes but" and so on ad infinitum.
1918681;1560961547;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Indeed it is happening.
1918682;1560961600;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The chain is swapping in a beef identifying bean patty
1918683;1560961642;asciilifeform;a
1918684;1560961655;asciilifeform;!#s nechezol
1918685;1560961656;a111;2 results for "nechezol", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=nechezol
1918686;1560961667;asciilifeform;hm
1918687;1560961682;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in another angle : i have here next to each other two modern ubuntus : one modern in 2018 (v 18.04), the other modern about five years prior (v 10.04). the sheer pile of utility and usability loss! old one has "bring up desktop" button. new one does not. old one has taskbar on the bottom, wherein one can drag item to a different task, and the task will pop up (so you can drop a file in a terminal). new one -- doe
1918688;1560961682;mircea_popescu;s not.
1918689;1560961703;mircea_popescu;old one brings up a task from tab if dblclicked -- AND ALSO MINIMIZES IT. new one -- brings up, but does not minimize.
1918690;1560961710;*;asciilifeform could've sworn there was a mircea_popescu piece re 'nechezol'
1918691;1560961728;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: speaking of shituntu, didjaknow, today officially phasing out x32
1918692;1560961758;mircea_popescu;old one has list of crapola installed. new one has list of ~recommended~ crapola, and SEARCH BAR. literally, you're invited to search among the... well, it's not the userland, search returns things you... don't have, indistinctly
1918693;1560961765;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i had nfi.
1918694;1560961773;asciilifeform;lemme guess, 'search bar' connected to 'bing'
1918695;1560961819;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: [https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2019-June/001261.html?_ga=2.111097472.481051572.1560961799-165324934.1560961799][re x32, from horse's mouth].
1918696;1560961843;asciilifeform;pretty epic limba de lemn in there, too
1918697;1560961845;mircea_popescu;i could keep on forever -- old one, had directly accessible screen resolution switcher. new one -- does not, so that if (for instance!) your settlers 4 wine installation fucks the screen leaving it in 800x600 mode upon closure, either you know to xrandr -q xrandr --output --mode directly, or else you reboot.
1918698;1560961857;asciilifeform;'We will be working to polish the 32-bit support story over the course of the 19.10 development cycle.'
1918699;1560961923;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: phunphakt: many of the cheap displays bought by typical homo redditus shituntu user, won't even sync at 800x600
1918700;1560961927;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform who is this steve lengaseek fuckwit ?
1918701;1560961930;asciilifeform;so unsurprisingly it got ripped out
1918702;1560961945;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i have nfi, prolly the current ian murdoch or whoever
1918703;1560961947;mircea_popescu;and why is he speaking from this position of authority, " I also posted to communicate the timeline ", who the fuck is he, me ?
1918704;1560961990;asciilifeform;i expect it's structured exactly like other usg.'foundations'
1918705;1560962029;asciilifeform;or for that matter the old sovok 'union of writers' (tm) etc
1918706;1560962050;asciilifeform;gaggle of nobodies picks a nobody-in-chief when old one dies
1918707;1560962081;*;mircea_popescu is unimpressed.
1918708;1560962115;BingoBoingo;Kinda the point. They try to min-max for unimpressiveness so as to NOT be read
1918709;1560962123;asciilifeform;nao otoh last week i saw a slug that was fully 4x the size of his slugbrethren. nao, ~that~ impressive. but this, what is there to be impressed by.
1918710;1560962196;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 'beetle man' doesn't work to impress, why would he, [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-19#1918637][clitler personally anointed], see, him with the holy oils
1918711;1560962196;a111;Logged on 2019-06-19 16:02 mircea_popescu: exactly as per http://trilema.com/2013/what-is-art/ ; "why is this science ? cuz hilary says so. and who the fuck is hilary ? she's the one scientists claim god has anoin^H^H^H^H like very much and agree with"
1918712;1560962206;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo heh. "mp is scary and therefore safe ; we shall copy on the quiet -- be tedious and therefore also safe".
1918713;1560962210;mircea_popescu;worm gotta worm, sure why nots.
1918714;1560962329;asciilifeform;'modern linux komyooniti' is quite loyal organ of 'tame opposition', the occasional 20m of biodegradable monopoly money gifted to the occasional esr (who incidentally is begging for change to buy wheelchair, reportedly his legs went) goes long way
1918715;1560962343;asciilifeform;ensures typical derp who 'escaped from microshit' at least goes an' runs 'tor' etc.
1918716;1560962376;mircea_popescu;myeah
1918717;1560962383;asciilifeform;iirc the infamous bob beck & co, largely work for phree even.
1918718;1560962406;asciilifeform;esr was somewhat atypical, in demanding his '30 silvers'
1918719;1560962419;mircea_popescu;hence my earlier point re africans : long after we've stopped sending the packages, they'll still be there in the pavement cracks.
1918720;1560962450;asciilifeform;'that is not dead which can eternal lie...'(tm)(r)
1918721;1560962453;mircea_popescu;ana fans reportedly survive for years on 3k WEEKLY calorie diets, so...
1918722;1560962482;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i suspect ~these~ are like the old 'yoga masters' of india, who claimed to eat nuffin at all
1918723;1560962489;asciilifeform;i.e. sleight of hand magicks
1918724;1560962508;mircea_popescu;well, no, they typically weigh 40-50lbs.
1918725;1560962555;asciilifeform;rright, but there is no magic in this world, 3k/w is < auschwitz cuisine
1918726;1560962583;mircea_popescu;a) auschwitz people worked ; b) plenty survived.
1918727;1560962586;mircea_popescu;the anorexia chicks do not.
1918728;1560962614;asciilifeform;afaik (b) largely consisted of folx whose 'work' was to play in orchestra, or as 'capo', and similar.
1918729;1560962629;asciilifeform;incidentally old man solzhenitsin typical, btw, example.
1918730;1560962630;mircea_popescu;african plays on reddit.
1918731;1560962672;asciilifeform;grown man burns ~1k/d, iirc, simply breathing.
1918732;1560962674;mircea_popescu;ah btw, you know about the japanese xtian petrification saints ?
1918733;1560962682;asciilifeform;aha, famous
1918734;1560962723;mircea_popescu;sleigh of hand, possibly. also, exit. human body's remarkably... how shall i put this, it has a peculiar relationship with non-existenc.e
1918735;1560962904;asciilifeform;there is also famously an opposite pole of this magnet, the 'professionally fat' folx in usa who also claim to eat <1k/day , while weighing the weight of four men
1918736;1560962991;asciilifeform;y'know, the folx who take up 3 seats on airplane and demand ticket for cost of single seat, etc
1918737;1560963079;mircea_popescu;you know, haven't seen one in many years now ?
1918738;1560963086;mircea_popescu;makes it easy to forget americans exist.
1918739;1560963091;asciilifeform;where would mircea_popescu even see these.
1918740;1560963106;BingoBoingo;I've seen a handful here. Locally grown.
1918741;1560963106;mircea_popescu;which really makes the world a better place.
1918742;1560963118;mircea_popescu;i wonder if there ever was quite such a spurious "culture". or w/e we'd call it.
1918743;1560963124;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: even ~here~ one has to go to certain places, where the lumpens are found, to see'em.
1918744;1560963422;asciilifeform;speaking of linux lulz, asciilifeform recently obtained a [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-13#1918117]['huawei'] to test cuntoo. but this is on back conveyor currently.
1918745;1560963422;a111;Logged on 2019-06-13 15:24 asciilifeform: speaking of which, reportedly huawei's lappy div (supposedly - closing down) made several genuinely linuxable (vs. 'ubuntable') boxen.
1918746;1560963476;asciilifeform;huawei iron has become somewhat of a 'deficit' in the 'civilized' world
1918747;1560963490;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile in contemporary German engineering, vehicle that defaults to pissing off driver on every startup http://www.contravex.com/2019/06/10/a-few-mildly-annoying-things-about-the-w463a-mercedes-g550/#footnote_5_23394
1918748;1560963516;asciilifeform;(production -- dinged, but demand -- through the roof, usg is quite the 'marketing genius' on occasion )
1918749;1560963572;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: lol, i confess that i mostly stopped reading the d00d
1918750;1560963577;asciilifeform;seems like i didnt miss much
1918751;1560963606;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I check in occasionally to see how North USistan is doing
1918752;1560963801;asciilifeform;a peacock man. perhaps the peahens find to be interesting, but i admit -- do not
1918753;1560963865;asciilifeform;quite typical, imho, example of the pathologies described by tlp. 'if i buy this 8th rolex, will finally feel like Troo Elite' etc
1918754;1560963934;asciilifeform;it aint nearly as repulsive as the bob becks who get their 'feels of elite' from sipping clitler's cuntjuice, but still imho equally snore
1918755;1560964042;asciilifeform;recall how he bought fg, and, unable to bring up a working serial port on crapple mac , hung it on wall , like folx use to hang up 18th c. muskets and sabres ?
1918756;1560964067;asciilifeform;*used to
1918757;1560964712;BingoBoingo;Well, case of guy described by tlp who had prolonged interaction with proto-republic and early republic before his break
1918758;1560964906;asciilifeform;[http://trilema.com/2013/ho-vinto-la-lotteria-di-capodanno/][see also vintage mircea_popescu piece] re subj.
1918759;1560964936;BingoBoingo;Tried to buy BitBet remains, has not yet expressed any interest in flying a box to Uruguay for his own projects. Marketed a FuckGoats value add, etc
1918760;1560964951;asciilifeform;value-subtract lol
1918761;1560965074;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i'm not the least bit surprised, given overall pattern -- fella won't buy anyffin that can't be easily paraded, exhibited, to other aesthetowankers over tea
1918762;1560965117;asciilifeform;even fg apparently required some lipstick and gloss application to be fit for parade
1918763;1560965145;asciilifeform;[http://www.contravex.com/2019/03/30/the-21st-century-emergency-kit-fg-inside/][subj] .
1918764;1560965180;BingoBoingo;Well, there's ~two week period where center of aesthetowank world is ~90 km east of here
1918765;1560965201;asciilifeform;lolwhere? pretty sure 'sotheby's' is in london.
1918766;1560965347;asciilifeform;perhaps asciilifeform oversaturates the colours, here, but i blame pete_d and his type for the fact that yes you can buy a diamond-encrusted ipnoje for 200k but you cannot buy a fits-in-head comp even for 200mil.
1918767;1560965361;BingoBoingo;Punta del Este. At least it was for a while. FA may have chased them off.
1918768;1560965394;BingoBoingo;Has own airport and yacht port so that crowd can skip Montevideo and the pichis
1918769;1560965437;*;asciilifeform misread, for moment, as 'puta del este'
1918770;1560965494;BingoBoingo;Well, Uruguay. Putas y loras tambien ahí.
1918771;1560965588;asciilifeform;[http://www.contravex.com/2015/11/08/it-takes-more-than-time-it-takes-generations/][oblig typical pete_d_ism], ftr. 'That simply crossing paths with an aristocratic family in my own backyard...' 'this was the heirloom quality family from TLP’s Patek Philippe ads...' etc
1918772;1560965633;asciilifeform;'...with the pretty and delightfully well-mannered girls who spoke to their mother in English and their father in what sounded like Flemish – was the crystallised product of – who knows ? – perhaps as many as ten generations of fine breeding...'
1918773;1560965655;asciilifeform;[http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-03#1611080][see also.]
1918774;1560965655;a111;Logged on 2017-02-03 05:29 phf: my mom had one of those "papa escaped the purges by burning all paperwork but life got tough when they took our governess" piano teachers, who would lament about being forced to teach peasants and brown folk, not on racial grounds as much as "you have to have a bidet in your house for 3 generations, before you can touch a piano"
1918775;1560965700;BingoBoingo;Well, even the roofed poor here have bidets in the house.
1918776;1560965746;BingoBoingo;This is rural Uruguay, not urban New York. Gotta have a bidet here.
1918777;1560965768;asciilifeform;lolyes
1918778;1560965790;BingoBoingo;I suspect its in the local building code next to asado Fridays at every construction site.
1918779;1560966013;mircea_popescu;the yachting thing was pretty big in the... well, the 90s mostly, i'd say.
1918780;1560966085;asciilifeform;incidentally, while on subj -- and i did even try to warn pete -- folx who abuse fg as 'collectible stamp' set themselves up for hurt, unlike patek etc thing is quite deliberately designed to be simple to replicate, lacks any form of serial numeration etc, and the only tests are for mechanical correctness, where all units built to spec pass, whether orig by asciilifeform, or by zimbabwe, or martians.
1918781;1560966086;mircea_popescu;buy what's essentially a floating condo for ~same what a condo in downtown metro area costs, spend your time going from yacht club to yacht club. the not-retarded charlie sheens did this, usually with a competent alpha (usually, 20year+wife) to pick the local sluts.
1918782;1560966146;mircea_popescu;to me it seemed mind numbing, but to a buncha retired-early upper middleclassians... well... easy & cheap path out.
1918783;1560966188;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: orlov et al were telling the troof, i went and priced, a parking space for standard habitable boat is <1k/mo in most of usa, well under what 'condo downtown' cost
1918784;1560966208;mircea_popescu;the principal cost is the boat itself.
1918785;1560966211;asciilifeform;( hence how subj piqued asciilifeform's interest some yrs ago )
1918786;1560966213;asciilifeform;aha, mircea_popescu detailed.
1918787;1560966277;asciilifeform;ftr asciilifeform is satisfied that no one has produced a miraculous matter from which could be built a boat that never requires dry dock etc.
1918788;1560966286;mircea_popescu;but anyway, it ~was~ a thing, in the sense poker was a thing, whereby you could meet > a few dozen quite pleasant such folk in the respective haunts, from florida to just about eastern colombia etc, and then on the other side, mostly south of france, italy, greek islands etc.
1918789;1560966370;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: did it stop being thing ? i went to boatyards, saw ~0 empty spots, lotsa boatism
1918790;1560966382;asciilifeform;even in BingoBoingostan, saw
1918791;1560966426;asciilifeform;( ...or, is it 'aspirational' a la tlp folx, who sail the sea until 1st leak..? )
1918792;1560966490;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Quite a few boats I suspect are on the whisper market in kinda the same way just about any piece of real estate in the city has a price if you bother to ask.
1918793;1560966562;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it stopped being the thing it was ; it's still a thing but more in the sense of the rest of real estate "market" -- beneficial "owners" trying to extricate themselves out of the jam, long lost sight of the benefit or even the usage.
1918794;1560966570;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i dug into subj very briefly in usa, and found interesting the diff b/w 'new' and 'gently used', more than tenfold typically
1918795;1560966576;BingoBoingo;And yes the Puertito Buceo is rather full looking, but still has room to drop anchor. Another yacht club a few km away closer to capacity.
1918796;1560966596;mircea_popescu;poker is still A thing today ; the problem with it is that wherever you sit down you're gonna run into a buncha pete d's and tired old con men.
1918797;1560966605;asciilifeform;aa.
1918798;1560966625;BingoBoingo;Even in the middle west of old country joke was "Happiest days of boat owning are buying the boat and selling the boat"
1918799;1560966675;mircea_popescu;ie, not the thing it was. in 1999 we'd have prolly went over for dinner if invited ; in 2019 we'd just chuckle about the shawrmy.
1918800;1560966694;asciilifeform;i'm sold on mircea_popescu's pt re how proper boat is not a [http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-26#934786][standalone system] .
1918801;1560966694;a111;Logged on 2014-11-26 00:46 asciilifeform: have to understand, jet fighter is not really a complete machine. it is a tentacle of the larger industrial slave empire which produced and employed it.
1918802;1560966734;mircea_popescu;from my rock, the whole yacht thing (not a place to LIVE ON, orlol and all, mind) was a specific "token of entry" in a specific, upper-middleclass network.
1918803;1560966750;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: outta curiosity, how do they do customs (or do they??) to the yachts ?
1918804;1560966759;mircea_popescu;the middle class entirely does not exist anymore ; the item is no longer a token for the disused faine, either.
1918805;1560966767;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform back in the day they ~didn't use to.
1918806;1560966783;asciilifeform;right, but would be surprised if today still not
1918807;1560966789;mircea_popescu;nfi tbh
1918808;1560966802;asciilifeform;esp. in a bananistan where 20-30% import tax on just about anyffin
1918809;1560966812;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: there is the chance, but... boat owning is still privileged somewhat here.
1918810;1560966839;BingoBoingo;This is a country of tourism and cows
1918811;1560966869;mircea_popescu;the yacht-as-a-place-to-live thing was, whatever, poor village farmhands imagining among themselves a consensus as to how riveters work goes in the big city up on those tall buildings.
1918812;1560966888;asciilifeform;for that merit, imho even crackpot idea of datacenter ~on~ boat, where 'mno, not taxable, these machines are welded to the hull' may have merit
1918813;1560966892;asciilifeform;*for that matter
1918814;1560966906;asciilifeform;(if could somehow get fiber to the dock..)
1918815;1560966915;asciilifeform;cooling, for instance, ~phree
1918816;1560966937;mircea_popescu;the yacht-as-it-was-used was a better-alternative-to-airplane+airport-plebcombo. slower (in the good sense -- anyonre recall the "downshifiting" 90s thing ?), not much more expensive (if you travel business class and 5 star hotel, you end up paying for summering in the carribean ~same as the cost to own yacht, give or take), infinitely more pleasant.
1918817;1560966964;asciilifeform;as i understand, the world of rich folx 'not in a hurry to anywhere' is gone, yes
1918818;1560966996;asciilifeform;is what really killed dirigible.
1918819;1560967016;mircea_popescu;but that was the market there, "honey, since we're doing 5k x2 in plane tickets and 3-500 a night in hotel stays for 4 to 8 weeks each year, coming to a 25k or so, we could just pay coupla mil upfront on this piece of machinery that'll resell for maybe mil-mil and a half in five years and cost to own 10k or so a year, taking us just about even"
1918820;1560967052;mircea_popescu;"and this way, we don't have to worry about 5 star hotel having no bell hop or misplacing reservations and if we feel like making the 8 weeks 18... well..."
1918821;1560967073;asciilifeform;i suspect mircea_popescu missed a 0 in there somewhere, even diesel to cross ocean is prolly >10k naodays
1918822;1560967089;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: From what I understand the chinese commercial fishing vessels tend to not get customs checked with any frequency
1918823;1560967106;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform do you have any idea how far your car takes you on 10k of gas ?
1918824;1560967127;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: china is always separate conversation. they dun get hit by pirates either, as it is known that they piss on 'no armed merchants' treaty and have full selection of e.g rpg7 on board
1918825;1560967142;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Argentina shoots at them
1918826;1560967152;mircea_popescu;yacht engine not so much different from luxury car, same few hundred hp. you run it for an hour, you burn about a galon, costs you about 2 bucks.
1918827;1560967164;mircea_popescu;5000 hours is half a fucking year.
1918828;1560967164;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: toyota is 2tonne, rather than 2000, and rolls 'without slipping' on dry land, neh.
1918829;1560967181;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Argentina also gets pissy about letting them dock. In Uruguay welcome mat gets rolled out.
1918830;1560967185;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the engine still runs by time.
1918831;1560967210;mircea_popescu;anyway. we are discussing 1990s dollars here.
1918832;1560967224;mircea_popescu;thirty years ago. might account for the perceived 0.
1918833;1560967225;asciilifeform;then indeed 'add a zero' lol
1918834;1560967326;asciilifeform;for thread-completeness, the yacht asciilifeform personally took a ride on (for uninteresting saecular biz reasons) was a 1600 h.p. item.
1918835;1560967333;asciilifeform;pair of diesels, like nazi sub.
1918836;1560967356;asciilifeform;surprisingly quiet, also
1918837;1560967366;mircea_popescu;those were more the "corporate" thing. if you had a porn empire or something. berlusconi had one, for all the 14yo african girlies to nudie dip off off.
1918838;1560967413;mircea_popescu;whereas the bulk of the subculture was made up of 40 and 50yos, married for 20ish years, well tanned female keeping in shape an' intelligent dude who made his money by being clever.
1918839;1560967414;asciilifeform;strangely enuff wasn't even physically large, comfortably fit 2dozen people or so, if standing
1918840;1560967433;mircea_popescu;which is the deep problem here : in socialist economy this class of "i made 20mn being smart" thing no longer exists.
1918841;1560967457;mircea_popescu;bureaucrats have other interests, and a very different sense of cool -- hence your horripilated reaction to pete d's internally coherent visions of normality.
1918842;1560967522;asciilifeform;admittedly asciilifeform has somewhat old-fashioned or even sovok-flavoured 'picture of cool'. having own sub -- cool. esp if with working arms. or own junkers bomber. but, pete_d's baubles?!
1918843;1560967564;mircea_popescu;what can i tell you. u;ltimately all things are baubleds/.
1918844;1560967582;*;mircea_popescu shall bbl!
1918845;1560967583;asciilifeform;'all flesh is grass' etc
1918846;1560967589;*;asciilifeform also brb, tea
1918847;1560967975;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/06/21-month-sentence-to-new-zealand-businessman-for-video-sharing-in-new-zealand-no-copyrights-charges-involved/ << Qntra -- 21 Month Sentence To New Zealand Businessman For Video Sharing In New Zealand, No Copyrights Charges Involved
1918848;1560968862;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: So here's an example of new of the local market https://archive.is/soEt8 And here are a few used in ascending price order https://archive.is/DXd03 https://archive.is/yv8KF https://archive.is/HmaEo
1918849;1560968871;BingoBoingo;"TOMAMOS VEHICULOS LIVIANOS (NO CAMIONES) COMO PARTE DE PAGO, PUEDEN SER MAS DE UNO."
1918850;1560969004;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: these look quite like the usa prices, i.e. 200-300k dubloons for a tub that won't even sleep 2 people
1918851;1560969563;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/HmaEo << Hay 3 cabinas y Desalinizadora, 400k USD menos "VEHICULOS LIVIANOS" por la cuesta. Blue water vessel.
1918852;1560969875;BingoBoingo;If you want bigger, that is a different market and you are getting out of yachts and into ships
1918853;1560970704;asciilifeform;send it to pete_d. who is prolly thinking, what to do, after already has solid gold toilet, why not also put it in a floating fiberglass tub the size of a small truck.
1918854;1560970730;asciilifeform;perhaps he can install the rolexes on the gunwales.
1918855;1560970767;asciilifeform;hang up the patek philippes as sail riggings.
1918856;1560970832;asciilifeform;then he can sit on the golden throne and study flemish and 'fine breeding.'
1918857;1560970912;BingoBoingo;Well that's what the next market is. Everyfucking thing goes "price on request"
1918858;1560970934;BingoBoingo;So they can count patek to rolex ratio and price accordingly
1918859;1560971105;asciilifeform;for the cost of just 1 such tub, d00d could live like a duke in e.g. cr, ro, etc. but -- without peacock tail.
1918860;1560971114;asciilifeform;( live -- for years )
1918861;1560971150;BingoBoingo;Indeed
1918862;1560971183;asciilifeform;in some ways it was actually interesting, for asciilifeform , when talked to pete_d -- fella could not picture how life could be worth living at all w/out peacocking
1918863;1560971202;asciilifeform;entirely martian, from my pov, outlook.
1918864;1560971206;BingoBoingo;Consider https://www.maritimesales.com/PI12.htm allegedly sold for a bit more 550k USD, but as submarine comes with substantially higher maintenance and crew costs
1918865;1560971284;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: that thing is very muchly a http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-26#934786 item . consider, even current-day ru navy has problems sourcing parts, continues to scrap old sovok vessels from lack of spares.
1918866;1560971284;a111;Logged on 2014-11-26 00:46 asciilifeform: have to understand, jet fighter is not really a complete machine. it is a tentacle of the larger industrial slave empire which produced and employed it.
1918867;1560971297;asciilifeform;then again mircea_popescu did recount having seen a working one on beach of cr at some pt.
1918868;1560971377;asciilifeform;sovok vessels in particular were designed with very heavy reliance on cheap manual labour on board. simply to load torpedo took iirc 4 men. and to steer, no fewer than 4, etc.
1918869;1560971419;asciilifeform;and all of'em had to [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-31#1916338][actually know what they were doing], or -- problem.
1918870;1560971419;a111;Logged on 2019-05-31 13:48 asciilifeform: in 1 particular documented case, where boat was raised 7yrs later, they found that an old salt turned valve in wrong direction. fella served on a diff design for a decade, where dir was opposite. he put such strength into 'closing' valve that the handle was bent. rest of crew breathed for 2wks, aside from one who hung self in bed and another who shorted battery with both hands.
1918871;1560971507;BingoBoingo;Indeed requires slave empire or thing approximating. Fiberglass thing however... lower organizational demands.
1918872;1560971645;asciilifeform;still req's slave empire. simply, slightly moar evenly distributed.
1918873;1560971668;asciilifeform;you can't exactly fix the fiberglass by careening it on rando island and with local tree bark.
1918874;1560971882;BingoBoingo;Kind the point of fiberglass is minimizing the cost of scuttling it when necessary
1918875;1560973156;BingoBoingo;If the aim is fucking with empire, off the shelf fiberglass hulls are prolly the way to go.
1918876;1560974361;mircea_popescu;meanwhile continuing the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-19#1918697 nonsense : wine doesn't work worth a shit on the new ubuntu. it never worked splendidly, granted, but it was quite workable last i looked into this half decade ago. it degraded significantly. for instance, after a bunch of installing various, i'm left with a taskbar fulla dead icons. (well, in fairness they bring up a transparent exclamation point in a tria
1918877;1560974361;a111;Logged on 2019-06-19 16:30 mircea_popescu: i could keep on forever -- old one, had directly accessible screen resolution switcher. new one -- does not, so that if (for instance!) your settlers 4 wine installation fucks the screen leaving it in 800x600 mode upon closure, either you know to xrandr -q xrandr --output --mode directly, or else you reboot.
1918878;1560974361;mircea_popescu;ngle if foregrounded forcibly).
1918879;1560974367;mircea_popescu;these are ~unclosable~. in any way.
1918880;1560974386;mircea_popescu;for instance of what i mean by "any way" : you'd expect kill $(ps aux | grep wine | cut -f2 -d" "| awk '{print $1}') will do it. and indeed it kills DOZENS of processes.
1918881;1560974391;mircea_popescu;but the icons in the tray ? they stay.
1918882;1560974399;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/06/harley-davidson-partners-with-chinas-qianjiang-motorcycle-amid-shrinking-us-market/ << Qntra -- Harley-Davidson Partners With Chinas Qianjiang Motorcycle Amid Shrinking US Market
1918883;1560974661;mircea_popescu;this damned thing is almost exactly windows, i dunno why even bother with emulators, should just run win binaries native by now.
1918884;1560974724;BingoBoingo;Seems this is kinda intentional on Ubuntu's part. Making Windows appear viable.
1918885;1560974775;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: last i knew, 'wine' worked pretty well... then again, the only thing asciilifeform ever ran in it, was 'ida pro', and with fully decade-old copy of 'wine' by nao
1918886;1560974788;mircea_popescu;everything in the shitpile is way less from upclose than it appears / pretends [http://trilema.com/2017/fake-news-are-just-one-tail-of-the-failed-female-state/][from a distance]. EVERYTHING.
1918887;1560974797;asciilifeform;fwiw i never used the icons / faux-winblowz-desktop pheature
1918888;1560974810;mircea_popescu;steam is not "this big deal gaming published with its own os", it's a pathetic front on a dead flash-wannabe (unity)
1918889;1560974829;mircea_popescu;ubuntu is not some kind of linux. it's a mod on windows registry.
1918890;1560974831;asciilifeform;i had nfi that 'linux steam' ran under emulator.
1918891;1560974853;asciilifeform;thought, for some reason , that they actually rebuilt their gamez
1918892;1560974863;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that part doesn't work, of course. and you should see what the glyph engine looks like.
1918893;1560974876;mircea_popescu;but i was trying to get king's bounty legends of the north booted.
1918894;1560974959;asciilifeform;this is prolly why most gamez aficionados end up with bona fide winblowz box in the house
1918895;1560974986;mircea_popescu;most of the fucking processes can't even be brought up by clicking on this derp-ass gui
1918896;1560974994;mircea_popescu;basically ubuntu is a sorely crippled linux box
1918897;1560975009;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu by nao beat the shit out of asciilifeform's record -- asciilifeform barfed permanently after one time 10min on shituntu
1918898;1560975033;asciilifeform;3 whole weeks, i cannot even picture
1918899;1560975076;mircea_popescu;oh, no, it's so accessible and usable and progressed, i dunno what you could be griping about
1918900;1560975078;mircea_popescu;hurr durr
1918901;1560975082;asciilifeform;lol
1918902;1560975110;mircea_popescu;vaguely reminds me of the old ibm-pc clone days, when ~nothing worke
1918903;1560975131;asciilifeform;you oughta see a winblowz-10 box up close. just once.
1918904;1560975146;mircea_popescu;meanwhile i actually got this thing going. you ever played the kb franchise ?
1918905;1560975165;asciilifeform;( not only not worx, but ~shows ads~. 'wouldja like to play 'candy crush ?' erry time hit menu, etc )
1918906;1560975170;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nope
1918907;1560975173;mircea_popescu;holy shit what ?!
1918908;1560975221;BingoBoingo;AHA, yes. I have seen the Win10 ad machine in a zoo!
1918909;1560975227;*;mircea_popescu shall be off to lead his virtual armies. which is how one survives on modern "operating system" : by spending all the time inside pre-modern, 1990s era games.
1918910;1560975270;asciilifeform;dungo yet, mircea_popescu , i took a screenshit just for you!
1918911;1560975392;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/winblows10.jpg << from a reasonably fresh install. i shit thee not, is what stock install's menu loox like.
1918912;1560975455;mircea_popescu;that looks fucking terrible
1918913;1560975459;asciilifeform;noshit
1918914;1560975462;mircea_popescu;is this where the "rounded corners" trend ends up ?!
1918915;1560975463;asciilifeform;slow, too
1918916;1560975472;asciilifeform;takes almost 10sec from click to display menu
1918917;1560975474;asciilifeform;on 'i7' box
1918918;1560975479;mircea_popescu;you recall the amiga guy's failed bid to make a sort of tablets-in-tables restaurant/amusement park ?
1918919;1560975483;asciilifeform;cuz, elementarily, it has to load that crapola from ms
1918920;1560975487;mircea_popescu;before apple made portable tablets and ruined him ?
1918921;1560975493;asciilifeform;vaguely recall aha
1918922;1560975502;mircea_popescu;~same look and feel as that klonk, "we hacked up some old slot machines" "why ?" "dunno"
1918923;1560975520;asciilifeform;i saw them, i think, alive
1918924;1560975530;asciilifeform;briefly were in the wild here in washingtonistan
1918925;1560975537;mircea_popescu;anyway, i am a skald, my name's oglaf, an' FOR THE C
1918926;1560975540;mircea_popescu;LAAANS!!!
1918927;1560975576;*;asciilifeform will bbl, in fact has to do something ~on the pictured box~ no less !
1918928;1560975580;mircea_popescu;btw king's bounty looks fabulous in 1920x1080.
1918929;1560975625;asciilifeform;before going to this, will note -- interestingly, the 'huawei' has a... 3000x2000 .
1918930;1560975638;asciilifeform;seems like nobody else makes'em (why? imho pretty good proportion)
1918931;1560975672;asciilifeform;literally the 1 lappy made since '07 or so, with ~square lcd.
1918932;1560998260;BingoBoingo;In the local newses https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/justicia-permitio-a-narco-de-minas-cumplir-condena-en-su-casa--2019619161724
1918933;1560999156;BingoBoingo;wb mod6
1918934;1560999192;mod6;thx BingoBoingo!
1918935;1560999246;BingoBoingo;So, the only noticable impact of the "ciclono extratropical" that hit here is a bunch of gunk washed up on the beach.
1918936;1560999292;BingoBoingo;And apparently in Colonia (the place where cheese comes from) the river gunk turning over messed with their water treatment plant.
1918937;1560999310;mod6;Wasn't worth the long lines eh?
1918938;1560999428;BingoBoingo;Not particularly, but the local news has to do the panic thing to make ad sales I guess.
1918939;1560999458;BingoBoingo;Not at all like back in the states where storms would turn into multi day blackouts
1918940;1560999527;mod6;werd
1918941;1561000044;BingoBoingo;I remember very recently back in the US the power was out for an extended period of time because it was summer and the line carrying power into town caught fire.
1918942;1561000062;BingoBoingo;Then there was the one spring week after a wind storm.
1918943;1561000079;BingoBoingo;And two different winters with ~week outages
1918944;1561000129;BingoBoingo;But all of those were after 2006. Before that it was only the occasional hour or so during thunderstorms.
1918945;1561001039;mod6;Yikes, week is a long time.
1918946;1561003172;BingoBoingo;But, you know US and proges
1918947;1561003933;BingoBoingo;Watching Naked Gun 33 1/3, my how rauchy comedy fell between there and Retard Pie pocas años despues
1918948;1561007242;BingoBoingo;The question is, which year in the 90s did Pantsuit win
1918949;1561013537;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo ever seen "kiss me, stupid" ?
1918950;1561013605;mircea_popescu;kinda what all these are derived from, hardblown, method-acted comedy. it's a cinematic adaptation of a roadshow style of entertainment (much like the "high class production" fred astaire / frank sinatra etc were in try to steal broadway for the studios)
1918951;1561019029;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in body art, https://is2.4chan.org/hc/1560990635092.jpg
1918952;1561019047;mircea_popescu;what you is, you get!!!
1918953;1561019952;mircea_popescu;in other, ongoing lulz of the endless saga : "*** stack smashing detected ***: <unknown> terminated" << wine (as bundled with the shitty ubuntu in question, v 3.0-1)  abuses "stack protection" to [https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1110419][crash perfectly fine programs] (in this case, king's bounty - warriors of the north).
1918954;1561019989;mircea_popescu;so one, obviously, is stuck installing a proper wine on the system, because fuck me if i'm not getting off beginner island (VERY fucking annoying manifestation of the bug -- crashes you in the final battle, with that asswipe eric).
1918955;1561020060;mircea_popescu;"configure: error: no suitable flex found." doh. so you install flex. "configure: error: no suitable bison found."
1918956;1561020136;diana_coman;lol
1918957;1561020143;diana_coman;go hunt a bison1
1918958;1561020155;mircea_popescu;holy shit, they manage to include NOTHING (i also had to include a [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-09#1917838][c compiler] myself earlier. and fucking make.) in those [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-02#1916850][2GB] of bloat that ARE [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-19#1918876][ANTI]USEFUL!!!
1918959;1561020155;a111;Logged on 2019-06-09 13:05 mircea_popescu: b) install gcc. and then make. because it SHIPS WITHOUT THESE. and then of course discover the current versions don't match what the kernel was compiled with.
1918960;1561020155;a111;Logged on 2019-06-02 15:50 mircea_popescu: remarkable just how useless computers are these days. so first, i chugged in 2gb of ubuntu. the moment it came up it wanted to get a further 450mb of "updates". then it turns out ~every game out there has pretty much outsourced its distribution (and, i suspect, debugging, such as it is) to steam (with a minor gog presence as well). so you gotta install steam. that's only 50mb or so, but a third layer by now.
1918961;1561020155;a111;Logged on 2019-06-19 19:59 mircea_popescu: meanwhile continuing the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-19#1918697 nonsense : wine doesn't work worth a shit on the new ubuntu. it never worked splendidly, granted, but it was quite workable last i looked into this half decade ago. it degraded significantly. for instance, after a bunch of installing various, i'm left with a taskbar fulla dead icons. (well, in fairness they bring up a transparent exclamation point in a tria
1918962;1561021530;mircea_popescu;diana_coman why bison1 specifically btw ?
1918963;1561021651;diana_coman;neah, meant bison! lol
1918964;1561021655;diana_coman;it's quite typical though
1918965;1561021725;mircea_popescu;needing bison ? well yeah, xml wasn't enough, gotta gnu
1918966;1561021777;mircea_popescu;or do you mean, "shipping broken" ? cuz sure, it is, but what the fuck did they put in those FOUR cds ? the gfx is shitty, the accessibility broken and the compiling dun werk.
1918967;1561021893;diana_coman;shipping broken + "install flex" "oh, but ALSO bison ofc"
1918968;1561021905;diana_coman;pretty much when they ask for flex, bison follows
1918969;1561021908;mircea_popescu;and speaking of terrible accessibility : they changed the taskbar structure from purely linear to a sorta broken tree, so that all terminals snap together into a single terminal icon (holy shit WHY, everyone's taskbar is 90% terms and that is THE ONLY REASON to even HAVE clickable taskbars) so now i have to do two clicks, one to bring up a derpy bubble and a second to bring up the wanted terminal, which blows btw because n
1918970;1561021908;mircea_popescu;ow i'm riding scaled down text.
1918971;1561021940;mircea_popescu;so i brought back screen to manage the term sessions for these idiots. THIS is the sense of progress : from 10.04 to 18.04, they lost terminal management, i'm back to screen. i didn't actually use it in 10.04
1918972;1561021952;mircea_popescu;diana_coman there is that yeah
1918973;1561022084;mircea_popescu;ubuntu, made by people who don't understand computers for people who don't need computers.
1918974;1561022146;diana_coman;I'm not sure the 2 groups are any different really
1918975;1561022513;mircea_popescu;https://is2.4chan.org/hc/1553961130029.jpg in ongoing lulz.
1918976;1561025808;mircea_popescu;does anyone by any chance remember which the fuck trilema article contained this image of a chavy teenage chick, straddling a dude in a car, knees bent, jeans still on but lifted off her cunt, shoving the dude underneath's manhood into her cunt with the left hand ?
1918977;1561025830;mircea_popescu;can't fucking find anything on this blog of mine, by now it's taking longer to amass the references than it takes to write a god damned article.
1918978;1561028554;mircea_popescu;in ongoing lulz : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/k5UcB/?raw=true
1918979;1561028566;mircea_popescu;people who code, the intellectual legacy.
1918980;1561028643;mircea_popescu;in other lulz : you may build and even install a proper wine (ie, configured without the derp-ass gcc "stack protection", that evidently doesn't work) ; and it'll even work, system-wide. however that doesn't mean playonlinux won't stick to its sadder, older version. and of course you can't just force-copy symlinks over in its holy directory, because they're all brokenly relative, and gns resolution works as shown in that p
1918981;1561028644;mircea_popescu;aste.
1918982;1561036395;mircea_popescu;well so let's see here : i can't play, because after sinking however many hours in chasing dependencies and fixing assorted if widely distributed breakage the end story is that "foss" has managed to really give the whole game away -- there is ONE chain, consisting of play on linux so-and-so using wine-so-and-so on ubuntu this-and-that, and you pray it works -- because if it doesn't work, THAT IS IT, "there was an error" li
1918983;1561036395;mircea_popescu;ke in the windows days, entirely and utterly unfixable. there's no alternate paths anymore, you can't get wine x to work with pol y anymore than you can get a chunk of windows nt to drop-in replace some chunk of windows vista.
1918984;1561036484;mircea_popescu;and i can't write, because i need a reference i can no longer find.i have no fucking idea how to fix this sort of problem, nor do i truly speaking expect it'll ever get fixed. so w/e, i guess ima trash this thousand words and move on. except the specter of "there's an X% chance you won't be able to complete the article you wish to write" is sufficiently chilling to permanently discourage one from even starting.
1918985;1561036494;mircea_popescu;and so... i guess ima go garden or something.
1918986;1561036499;mircea_popescu;computers are not ready for use.
1918987;1561037951;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: which reference that could not find ?
1918988;1561038145;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-20#1918976
1918989;1561038145;a111;Logged on 2019-06-20 10:16 mircea_popescu: does anyone by any chance remember which the fuck trilema article contained this image of a chavy teenage chick, straddling a dude in a car, knees bent, jeans still on but lifted off her cunt, shoving the dude underneath's manhood into her cunt with the left hand ?
1918990;1561038638;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this was either in a very classic ro trilema ( that i did not eat yet ) or elsewhere entirely ( in-chan lnk )
1918991;1561038723;*;asciilifeform pretty certain he'd remember if had seen such a thing as described above 
1918992;1561039686;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: re 'wine' breakage -- i'm not aware that the opensores 'wine' ever worked even with ancient gamez. the 'play on linux' thing iirc uses the commercial (formerly payware) version, which iirc includes actual libs copied wholesale from microshit. i.e. cocktail of oddball crapola and ~actual microshit~. so, unsurprised that it barfs.
1918993;1561039809;asciilifeform;problem as it is, is even older than linuxism -- recall in '90s, 'dr-dos', and how worked with only ~some~ msdos proggies but not others, given as people wrote 'for msdos', i.e. intimately wedded to the bugs and undocumented misfeatures etc
1918994;1561040075;asciilifeform;( even moar outrageously, the actual msdos 6.22 sores leaked ~fully 20 yrs ago~ and devs of 'dosbox' opensores emulator ~still~ afaik use dr-dos/pc-dos 'mostly' compatible, entirely uninformed from the leak... )
1918995;1561040143;asciilifeform;or, for that matter, a full (afaik) win2k sores snapshot leaked in early 2000s. but did the 'wine' people win from it ? guess. 'ohnoez, mustn't read leaked sores, damns yer soul to hell' or what did the idjits say.
1918996;1561040195;asciilifeform;entirely consistent, imho, with the [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-19#1918714][picture given upthread re the whole orchestra.]
1918997;1561040195;a111;Logged on 2019-06-19 16:38 asciilifeform: 'modern linux komyooniti' is quite loyal organ of 'tame opposition', the occasional 20m of biodegradable monopoly money gifted to the occasional esr (who incidentally is begging for change to buy wheelchair, reportedly his legs went) goes long way
1918998;1561040428;asciilifeform;the microshit leaks thing was asciilifeform's 1st adult life encounter with 'unhappenings'(tm)(r)
1918999;1561040486;asciilifeform;'bbut they can't keep secret worth a shit, here's this .zip, shows you where are all the caltrops' 'shuddup, it neverhappened, why wouldja even mention such a thing, terrorist'
1919000;1561040615;asciilifeform;i.e. exact preview of the 2013 'movie', where the nsa radiobugism docs leaked, and yet somehow still 'why wouldja want emshielded comp, paranoiac'. or heartbleed , and then somehow still 'openssl is standard, shuddup and Don't Write Own Crypto(tm)(r), terrorist'
1919001;1561040826;asciilifeform;this gets even lulzier : there is , for instance, 'react os' , an attempt at a full opensores clone of win2k. but does it run even 1 game w/out crashing? guess. cuz 'ohnoez, we won't read leaked' etc, for 9000th time.
1919002;1561040952;asciilifeform;i.e. loyal servants of reich, exactly like [http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-16#1627904][the previous set of derps], or the 'rezistenta prin cultura'(tm)(r) idjits in ro
1919003;1561040952;a111;Logged on 2017-03-16 14:36 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there was a name for this, 'kitchen intellectuals'
1919004;1561041089;asciilifeform;torvalds's orig linux may have been a naturally occurring fungus, but i'm quite satisfied that 'wine' was written from day1 to prevent an actual working winblows substitute.
1919005;1561042380;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it worked fine, i played heroes etc on it last time around (cca 2010 or so)
1919006;1561042423;mircea_popescu;it didn't work ALWAYS, and yes, precisely dr. dos problem as you describe it.
1919007;1561042524;mircea_popescu;but it didn't work when ti didn't work because of the program in question using exotic weird, not because "we shoot selves in foot with buggy half-working gcc stack protection misfeature"
1919008;1561042835;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in other side-benefits of image scouring trilema, http://trilema.com/2012/kolima-lolima-molima/
1919009;1561042850;scriba;TypeError: argument of type 'NoneType' is not iterable (file "modules/archive.py", line 59, in archive_a_url)
1919010;1561043033;mircea_popescu;o.O
1919011;1561043710;hanbot;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-20#1918976 << >> http://trilema.com/2012/orgia-studenteasca/
1919012;1561043710;a111;Logged on 2019-06-20 10:16 mircea_popescu: does anyone by any chance remember which the fuck trilema article contained this image of a chavy teenage chick, straddling a dude in a car, knees bent, jeans still on but lifted off her cunt, shoving the dude underneath's manhood into her cunt with the left hand ?
1919013;1561043912;mircea_popescu;holy shit yes!
1919014;1561043914;mircea_popescu;tyvm
1919015;1561044722;asciilifeform;ha, i was right, it ~was~ in an old ro piece asciilifeform not yet ate
1919016;1561044794;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-20#1919005 << funnily enuff iirc '10 was the last time i tried to run game in 'wine'. never got audio to work. ( possibly on acct of never having poettering's audio libs, which i think it demands )
1919017;1561044794;a111;Logged on 2019-06-20 14:53 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it worked fine, i played heroes etc on it last time around (cca 2010 or so)
1919018;1561044795;mircea_popescu;apparently.
1919019;1561044825;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform oh, there's no such thing as sorta-clean toilet.
1919020;1561044900;asciilifeform;imho subj is moar of a pit latrine than toilet, difficult to speak of 'clean'
1919021;1561044926;mircea_popescu;quite.
1919022;1561044935;asciilifeform;pretty curious re the stack smash thing tho
1919023;1561044956;asciilifeform;whose misfeature ~was~ it, wine's, microshit's, or gcc's ?
1919024;1561044976;mircea_popescu;gcc's
1919025;1561044990;mircea_popescu;wine necessarily fucks around with the stack, as part of what it DOES.
1919026;1561045012;asciilifeform;afaik gcc's 'stack protection' simply consists of extra turd in stack frame, whose presence then is confirmed before a subroutine ret's. microshit, incidentally, has a similar one. BUT iirc they use diff sizes and contents of the turd.
1919027;1561045059;mircea_popescu;if you compile it with -fstack-protector it fails in this manner (not just on this game, but many). if you compile it without, it works fine -- however the downstream tree (playonlinux etc) can't very well be coerced to use it.
1919028;1561045066;asciilifeform;( gcc's -- is toggleable, but can't immediately recall just how )
1919029;1561045068;asciilifeform;aa
1919030;1561045086;mircea_popescu;which is the problem here -- there's nothing open source about this atrocity.
1919031;1561045132;asciilifeform;there afaik never was -- it's a wrapper around buncha .dll lifted directly from winblowz cd
1919032;1561045158;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/kiss-me-stupid/ << Trilema -- Kiss Me Stupid
1919033;1561045179;mircea_popescu;^ kidna curious if anyone can tell the fracture, whereby mp couldn't find what he wanted, lost interest.
1919034;1561045209;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform play on linux ? no, it's basically a multi-mb pile of "useful python scripts" for running wine. basically, it's automake for windows proggies running in wine.
1919035;1561045219;mircea_popescu;the problem being that by now it escaped any sort of human control.
1919036;1561045220;asciilifeform;was speaking of wine per se.
1919037;1561045309;mircea_popescu;wine per se is an attempt to implement the windows api in posix.
1919038;1561045321;asciilifeform;was. turned into... this
1919039;1561045355;asciilifeform;( cuz, elementarily, the dr-dos problem, good chunk of winblowz api aint documented -- in any sense, not even internally at microshit )
1919040;1561045385;mircea_popescu;i've not been following tbh
1919041;1561045406;asciilifeform;essentially continuation of the 1980s, ad infinitum
1919042;1561045813;mircea_popescu;aaand meanwhile, managing to bash a non-protected hand-compiled wine in the playonlinux hairball has exposed the underlying error : 002b:fixme:d3d_shader:print_glsl_info_log     0(24) : warning C7050: "vs_out[11]" might be used before being initialized
1919043;1561045831;mircea_popescu;there's a broken shader / nvidia card issue at work here, it's not what i thought at first, pure spuriousness.
1919044;1561045891;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: which nvidia hairball was this box running -- the opensores one, or vendor's turd ?
1919045;1561045960;mircea_popescu;vendor's.
1919046;1561046001;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/06/iran-shoots-down-100-million-usd-spy-drone/ << Qntra -- Iran Shoots Down 100+ Million USD Spy Drone
1919047;1561046038;mircea_popescu;i suspect what's happening is that the gl is trying to do depth comparison on a texture with no depth, through a sampling shader. which...
1919048;1561046112;mircea_popescu;at least now it's crashing properly, so i know what the fuck to do.
1919049;1561046161;mircea_popescu;"stack protectors" are such a dumbass idea, i swear. who are they supposed to help ? the dumb user doesn't need the stack protected, he needs programs that don't smash it. and the smart user doesn't need fucking blindfolds on, he needs honest, informative and actionable errors. wtf "generic fault of a generic type"
1919050;1561046240;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: [http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-13#1237268][see also.]
1919051;1561046240;a111;Logged on 2015-08-13 18:52 asciilifeform: mats: folks who begin from 'mitigation' position, cannot win by definition. they aren't even trying to. just to 'lose more slowly'
1919052;1561046264;mircea_popescu;myeah
1919053;1561046323;asciilifeform;ftr the item in q is more commonly known as 'stack canary'
1919054;1561046349;asciilifeform;and is an exactly typical 'mitigationism'
1919055;1561046363;asciilifeform;exactly from same school of thought as, e.g., 'aslr'
1919056;1561047767;mircea_popescu;anyway, whatever, i'm not gonna debug shaders now. muh kb-wotn is broken and that's that.
1919057;1561054050;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this kinda thing is how the various nintendos stay alive. consolist dun have to fiddle w/ gpu drivers etc, plugs in cartridge and gets his tetris in coupla milliseconds, 0 brain req'd
1919058;1561054189;asciilifeform;ditto ipnojeism etc. or for that matter the classical msdos envir was pretty close to this.
1919059;1561054207;asciilifeform;i.e. where errybody can be assumed to have ~exactly same~ iron/os state.
1919060;1561054363;asciilifeform;tho even in msdos pc clone era, already 1st 'swallows of spring' of this were visible, i still recall the time of 9000 incompatible sound cards etc
1919061;1561059252;mircea_popescu;trinque http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/4Wyuq/?raw=true
1919062;1561061945;BingoBoingo;!Qlater tell danielpbarron Was this latest DDoS another member of your fan club?
1919063;1561064668;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/06/florida-city-pays-600000-usd-ransomware-demand/ << Qntra -- Florida City Pays 600,000 USD Ransomware Demand
1919064;1561065013;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo is there a ddos ?
1919065;1561065021;BingoBoingo;There was
1919066;1561065066;BingoBoingo;Danielpbarron reported triggering one with his evangelism earlier today in #Pizarro: <danielpbarron> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/9TClz/?raw=true << another ddos
1919067;1561065463;mircea_popescu;i c
1919068;1561065607;BingoBoingo;I'm inclined to suggest to danielpbarron that when evangelizing on EFNet he use a different bouncer per the Pizarro good neighbor policy http://pizarroisp.net/pizarro-good-neighbor-policy/
1919069;1561065659;mircea_popescu;sadly i can't load that.
1919070;1561065795;BingoBoingo;For me it is loading on one browser and not the other
1919071;1561066725;asciilifeform;dun load here either
1919072;1561066746;asciilifeform;dulap , interestingly, unaffected, loox like it's just uy1 that is bogged
1919073;1561066791;BingoBoingo;Aite, so what happened is the DC had the ip nullrouted to mitigate the attack.
1919074;1561066803;asciilifeform;?!
1919075;1561066839;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: plox to request that dc perma-refrain from monkeying with our ip space.
1919076;1561066845;asciilifeform;it dun do any good
1919077;1561066856;asciilifeform;i do recommend that danielpbarron upgrade to a rk, however
1919078;1561066937;asciilifeform;uy1 is really meant for low to moderate-traffic www
1919079;1561066951;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It did do good in making everything else on Pizarro accessible.
1919080;1561066982;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: did they do this last time around also? cuz to date i have not once observed any problem accessing dulap
1919081;1561066991;asciilifeform;except for the time BingoBoingo elbowed the nic plug
1919082;1561067085;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: This is the first time.
1919083;1561067104;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: as i said, dulap was entirely reachable last time.
1919084;1561067160;asciilifeform;( as was, e.g., diana_coman's rk & qntra )
1919085;1561067175;BingoBoingo;During both events today, machines other than UY1 became inaccessible including Qntra and my rockchip
1919086;1561067228;asciilifeform;the shell i've had scrolling dulap log since 11 feb, didnt skip a beat, fwiw.
1919087;1561067305;asciilifeform;i do not begrudge danielpbarron his ddos laboratory, but imho he really oughta do it on rk.
1919088;1561067385;BingoBoingo;Well, he created datapoints. That's done. Now the thing is this is interfering with the serivce of other customers.
1919089;1561067425;BingoBoingo;And the way he is proviking this very much seems to be a case of http://trilema.com/2013/the-story-of-pointless-and-witless/
1919090;1561067427;asciilifeform;also it'd be 1 thing if he were running a qntra and it were ddosed by washington. but i dun even get wtf he is doing, for what.
1919091;1561067448;BingoBoingo;He's evangelizing his church on EFNet where there are no cloaks
1919092;1561067459;asciilifeform;not that i necessarily demand to understand what customer does with his box. but in this case it isn't w/out problem for piz & the other residents.
1919093;1561067576;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform he's doing basically his own version of http://trilema.com/2015/on-how-the-factored-4096-rsa-keys-story-was-handled-and-what-it-means-to-you/ ; to exactly the same results.
1919094;1561067620;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i.e. bombshell article ? i must've missed. ( mircea_popescu do you have a cached copy ? )
1919095;1561067660;mircea_popescu;nah, the point of similarity is "things derps don't want to be said", not "things of substance".
1919096;1561067682;mircea_popescu;if you're going by vermin's reaction, you can't introduce the spurious criterion of "is this delicious from my pov".
1919097;1561067690;mircea_popescu;from varmint's pov, glue and cake, ~=.
1919098;1561067694;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: from http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-20#1919066 i got impression that he was poking stick into anthills, but was not able to discern what stick and what sorta anthill.
1919099;1561067694;a111;Logged on 2019-06-20 21:11 BingoBoingo: Danielpbarron reported triggering one with his evangelism earlier today in #Pizarro: <danielpbarron> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/9TClz/?raw=true << another ddos
1919100;1561067755;asciilifeform;i'ma let the man speak for self tho. but meanwhile problem , danielpbarron is paying for service but aint getting it, cuz unplugged; meanwhile other uy1 people also paying, and ditto
1919101;1561067777;asciilifeform;e.g. hanbot
1919102;1561067840;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i do not demand 'delish from my pov', no.
1919103;1561067896;BingoBoingo;His latest post: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/d6KX9/?raw=true
1919104;1561067923;asciilifeform;would even be open to helping danielpbarron with his ddos magnet laboratory. BUT would really prefer if he took it to rk, so we can move him around b/w ips w/out affecting other folx.
1919105;1561068046;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The thing is we have one pipe. That your dulap scroll continued has an element of luck. DDoS lab requires more routing than we have implemented.
1919106;1561068149;asciilifeform;a heathen isp at this pt would've either dropped his subscription or charged tenfold. but we aint a heathen isp, and for so long as subscriber is willing to pay the actual cost of what he is eating, we gotta service him.
1919107;1561068201;asciilifeform;not to mention, gotta establish process re tcp ddosen. tomorrow could be e.g. qntra instead.
1919108;1561068264;asciilifeform;the fundamental boojum is that tcpism makes 'cost of ddos' open-ended . but this is problem with tcpism, and the only final solution is 'gossipd-only hosting' with wot-only direct peering. but we aint there yet..
1919109;1561068295;BingoBoingo;Indeed, but a shared IP clearly isn't the place to do it. Historically republican doctrine has been to wait out DDoS attacks, but keeping everyone else up is a problem
1919110;1561068340;asciilifeform;hence asciilifeform's ' danielpbarron, plz consider rk '.
1919111;1561068461;BingoBoingo;There also seems to me that there is difference in DDoS aiming to target a website and a DDoS targeting an IRC user out of some sort of behavioral retraining effort.
1919112;1561068551;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: imho mircea_popescu had a point, it is not for me to say what danielpbarron does with his box, whether he wants to preach 11th century heresies or serve up wikilix etc. but indeed the pipe is not made of rubber, something has to give.
1919113;1561068750;asciilifeform;atm even piz's own www is unplugged as result of this.
1919114;1561068758;asciilifeform;(given as lives on uy1)
1919115;1561069423;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo what's the difference ?
1919116;1561069542;BingoBoingo;I'm mulling it over. It seems like he is going into their spaces, taking a piss, and getting told not to do that. Repeatedly.
1919117;1561069621;mircea_popescu;i'm sure he is.
1919118;1561069647;mircea_popescu;if one's systematically dedicated to not doing anything useful, sooner or later one necessarily finds himself burning all his time on dumb shit.
1919119;1561069658;mircea_popescu;that sort of infantile misbehaviour eminently fits the bill.
1919120;1561069789;asciilifeform;near as i can tell , he's been doing only this, and for more than yr
1919121;1561069838;asciilifeform;when asciilifeform was a boy, also liked the good ol' ants + magnifying glass. but did not sit and do ~only~ it...
1919122;1561069889;BingoBoingo;Which is why I bring the thing up here. I'm not certain what to do. I am rather certain that whatever is done, a shared shell isn't the place to repeatedly draw aggro after having done so the first few times.
1919123;1561070029;mircea_popescu;would also immensely help if pizarro was significantly larger by now.
1919124;1561070040;mircea_popescu;as a factual matter, you know going into the game that sooner or later, this sorta thing will happen.
1919125;1561070093;BingoBoingo;Indeed
1919126;1561070095;mircea_popescu;your only chance to do things like http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-20#1919075 to any degree of efficacity is being big enough. the birth of an isp is basically starting a timer, "will we make it before"
1919127;1561070095;a111;Logged on 2019-06-20 21:40 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: plox to request that dc perma-refrain from monkeying with our ip space.
1919128;1561078682;lobbes;small update: I've been inundated the last few weeks with $saltmines work; tsmr work ~0 during this time. however, these next two weeks will be somewhat clearer so I'll be back to eating through modlisp
1919129;1561120657;BingoBoingo;Aite, going to try to get the shared hosting machine UY1 back online today
1919130;1561120684;PeterL;I was just about to ask, what is the timeline for getting it back online
1919131;1561120684;lobbesbot;PeterL: Sent 1 week, 6 days, 16 hours, and 36 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> If you win, Monday morning is a fine time to get into contact
1919132;1561129493;BingoBoingo;Aite, the shared machine UY1 as been given some new IPs, going to start bringing sites online
1919133;1561140126;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Are you available to help with some troubleshooting?
1919134;1561140174;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: yes. if it's elaborate, plox to take to #p tho
1919135;1561140676;BingoBoingo;Alright, sites using ns1 and ns2.qntra.net for their names are online. Others using shared hosting are welcome to point their domains at 161.0.121.240 I will put entries for all of the sites on pizarro shared hosting into the name server. This way in the future when we have an IP get DDoS mitigated, recovery will not be so time consuming.
1919136;1561146803;BingoBoingo;And the DNS server has been populated with entries for every site on Pizarro shared hosting. bvt mocky cruciform trinque mats whaack The new IP address for the shared hosting server UY1 is 161.0.121.240
1919137;1561146952;BingoBoingo;The .247 address will be getting unblackholed at some point. In the interim I have put skeleton DNS entries for sites not previously using our DNS server in place. Using ns1.qntra.net and ns2.qntra.net will allow restoring public access to sites more quickly in the event a DDoS is mitigated.
1919138;1561146990;BingoBoingo;Apologies for the interruption
1919139;1561148013;BingoBoingo;Welcome back Mocky
1919140;1561148347;Mocky;I updated to the new shared ip address, looks good
1919141;1561148626;BingoBoingo;In local news... If anyone wants the two meter bronze Nazi eagle from the Graf Spee https://apnews.com/869a83096c164691bf13eaea4a3fc426
1919142;1561153493;trinque;mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/hsoH3/?raw=true
1919143;1561160113;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: mighty rich, for germany to try an' claim that thing
1919144;1561160152;asciilifeform;i suppose they'll want their old submarine from the chicago hall of sciences next...
1919145;1561160198;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Well, Germany's primary activity these past 5 years has been adding more mouths to feed
1919146;1561163387;feedbot;http://pizarroisp.net/2019/06/22/shared-hosting-update-and-first-substantial-ddos/ << PizarroISP -- Shared Hosting Update And First Substantial DDoS
1919147;1561165923;trinque;I want to apologize for my absence of late, been engaged in some sisyphean pushes elsewhere.
1919148;1561184938;mp_en_viaje;trinque, in the nick of time, too.
1919149;1561185003;mp_en_viaje;what all is going on there, anyway ? i mean, if you'll need to (or for that matter, factually engage in) multi-week stone cold absences in the future, let's talk about it and take measures prospectively
1919150;1561185021;mp_en_viaje;rather than find ourselves in the infinitely sadder situation of having to take measures retrospectively.
1919151;1561185082;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-21#1919128 << yours is no small, but rather eminently the ur-update, not to mention transparently ~everyone's experience.
1919152;1561185082;a111;Logged on 2019-06-21 00:58 lobbes: small update: I've been inundated the last few weeks with $saltmines work; tsmr work ~0 during this time. however, these next two weeks will be somewhat clearer so I'll be back to eating through modlisp
1919153;1561185206;mp_en_viaje;!!seen ave1
1919154;1561185207;deedbot;2019/05/30 15:08:03 <ave1> ty asciilifeform
1919155;1561185212;mp_en_viaje;!!seen bvt
1919156;1561185212;deedbot;2019/05/12 19:29:42 <bvt> (talking about rk3399 here)
1919157;1561185219;mp_en_viaje;!!seen spyked
1919158;1561185219;deedbot;2019/06/12 07:31:47 <spyked> I'd made a small toy proggy to draw a mandelbrot set, zoom in etc. when the time came to show it, no one in the room even knew what a fractal was, although ~all~ the teachers there were math-informatics graduates
1919159;1561185373;mp_en_viaje;besideswhich big round nothing, Mocky 's latest accomplishment as far as anyone knows would be http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-27#1915592 ; phf 's latest accomplishment as far as anyone knows is http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-10#1917869
1919160;1561185373;a111;Logged on 2019-05-27 11:53 Mocky: just got back from a hiking trip. catching up on logs
1919161;1561185373;a111;Logged on 2019-06-10 20:39 phf: craziest thing, i forgot my gpg password for about 5 days. was walking around trying to remember parts of it, obviously couldn't get access to anything meanwhile
1919162;1561185453;mp_en_viaje;may 27th is week 22 ; june 10 is week 24. we're just about starting week 26, because yes, there's a finite number of weeks in any one year, and it's known in advance : 52 of 'em. once june ends so will have ended half of 2019.
1919163;1561185668;mp_en_viaje;i have no idea how the fuck everyone's so rapidly settled mentally in this novel and apparently great new kanzure-republic of 2019, but i do not find myself comfortable here AT ALL.
1919164;1561185933;mp_en_viaje;leaving aside how a rate of progress of 0 items / week for week after week after livelong week puts extremely low demands on my time and attention -- far, far from requiring it be a central locus of my focus, republican 2019 as seen so far would have worked just as well if i gave it an hour biweekly, and i don't mean twice a week, i mean every other week -- there's just no need to keep the engine running on big brutus for the "j
1919165;1561185934;mp_en_viaje;ust in case" one needs flowerpots excavated, three times in may for a quart of dirt total volume in nine pots :
1919166;1561186069;mp_en_viaje;we have no workable bitcoin nor any sort or kind of measurable progress towards one ; we have no working os, and not only is there no progress towards one but as best as i can discern the situation's rather turning in the direction of "buried in concrete" ; we eminently do not have any sort of meat acquisition system going, while pizarro can't get customers and all dpb can be bothered to do is ~USE IT~ to try and get meat for th
1919167;1561186069;mp_en_viaje;e stupidest thing he could have possibly found, and possibly the stupidest thing on planet earth altogether, a bunch of morons in rural flyover.
1919168;1561186180;mp_en_viaje;nobody has a castle worth the mention, the last item in http://trilema.com/category/bitcoin/ is still the 12th MARCH freenode issue, in one word at the rate we're presently going at the rate we are currently going the next april lordship update comes bundled with a tmsr shutdown notice, because god help me if ima preside over another pompous donothing club.
1919169;1561186231;mp_en_viaje;the theory went that bitcoin corrupts the fiatards, yet somehow magically everyone's pete_dushenski now, so fascinatingly seductive's his empty nothingness to the postmodern mind or what the fuck on wheels' goin' on!
1919170;1561186709;mp_en_viaje;and yes ima negrate dpb just as soon as i get to my main keys, he's too fucking busy to http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-12#1918049 while http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-20#1919091 all day long ? because what, what the fuck's this republic, everyone's suburban helicopter mom, to roll eyes at while eating her sandwiches and thinking about how to steal shit from the house to curry favour with a bunch of morons in school ?
1919171;1561186709;a111;Logged on 2019-06-12 14:52 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron, ?
1919172;1561186709;a111;Logged on 2019-06-20 21:50 BingoBoingo: He's evangelizing his church on EFNet where there are no cloaks
1919173;1561187350;bvt;hello. i am also sorry for my unacceptably low output over past ~2 months; and particularly sorry of not doing the right thing of notifying the forum (which i did before)
1919174;1561187382;bvt;i do expect that 'saltmine season' is over now -- i've been working on asming karatsuba squaring (ffa ch.12b) over this week, post expected tomorrow.
1919175;1561187508;mp_en_viaje;that's nice to hear
1919176;1561188405;bvt;oh, and re http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-24#1909684 -- i wrote to the dude back then, he promised to respond in a week 'after travelling', never came back to we afterwards
1919177;1561188405;a111;Logged on 2019-04-24 15:56 asciilifeform: !Q later tell bvt ty for digging up the 1801 materials; dun suppose you could get the author in here ?
1919178;1561188482;mp_en_viaje;of course. and the only live dude found in the whole gfx stack for a non-fiat game http://logs.minigame.biz/2019-06-13.log.html#t22:07:21
1919179;1561188483;lobbesbot;Logged on 2019-06-13 22:07:21: <mp3butcher> it would be interesting.. let me think about it ...see you tomorrow
1919180;1561188501;mp_en_viaje;the resistive load is nothing short of immense, for some reason anything's preferred to doing the right thing.
1919181;1561188540;mp_en_viaje;bvt, so what's your idea going forward anyway ? are you basically going to be doing some ffa as you fiat overlod permit now and again, so by the end of 2019 you can look at having completed chapter 22 or somesuch, and that'll have been it ?
1919182;1561188567;mp_en_viaje;there's nothing wrong with training -- but there's also no lordship for trainees. it just dun make sense, like that.
1919183;1561188641;mp_en_viaje;one gotta train, yes, out of the question such a prince naseem idiocy as the figther who doesn't train. but training alone does not make the pie.
1919184;1561188971;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919159 << i'm burned out from my recent misadventures, i've taken several approaches to both republican and secural work, and i'm failing to load it in my brain, or make any kind of dent
1919185;1561188971;a111;Logged on 2019-06-22 06:36 mp_en_viaje: besideswhich big round nothing, Mocky 's latest accomplishment as far as anyone knows would be http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-27#1915592 ; phf 's latest accomplishment as far as anyone knows is http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-10#1917869
1919186;1561188997;mp_en_viaje;well, what's the matter ?
1919187;1561189281;danielpbarron;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919170 << i was waiting for them to get it working, as i irc from the pizarro shared host, and it was down for a day
1919188;1561189281;a111;Logged on 2019-06-22 06:58 mp_en_viaje: and yes ima negrate dpb just as soon as i get to my main keys, he's too fucking busy to http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-12#1918049 while http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-20#1919091 all day long ? because what, what the fuck's this republic, everyone's suburban helicopter mom, to roll eyes at while eating her sandwiches and thinking about how to steal shit from the house to curry favour with a bunch of morons in school ?
1919189;1561189404;danielpbarron;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-20#1919062 << probably not; just some random efnetter who likes to flex his ddos. he apparently was doing it to everyone in that buddhism chat, and it had nothing to do with my evangelizing
1919190;1561189404;a111;Logged on 2019-06-20 20:19 BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell danielpbarron Was this latest DDoS another member of your fan club?
1919191;1561189467;danielpbarron;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-20#1919087 << is rk a rockchip? are there any available? what's it cost?
1919192;1561189467;a111;Logged on 2019-06-20 21:48 asciilifeform: i do not begrudge danielpbarron his ddos laboratory, but imho he really oughta do it on rk.
1919193;1561189669;danielpbarron;i'm sorry for the disruption, and for now i will refrain from connecting to efnet (where there is no host masking)
1919194;1561191933;diana_coman;danielpbarron: wouldn't it be more useful to run some irc servers of your own?
1919195;1561195509;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919157 <-- apologies for the lack of an update, I'm still neck-deep in hunchentoot study; I have a full draft of the monster ready in the workroom, but before publishing, I'm making sure I have a good understanding of the item, to avoid getting my ass bitten by unknown unknowns in the future
1919196;1561195509;a111;Logged on 2019-06-22 06:33 mp_en_viaje: !!seen spyked
1919197;1561210780;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919162 << can't speak for other folx, but asciilifeform wrote 7 ch. of ffa thus far in '19 (featuring errything to do with primes, and all of peh, plus tutorials on the latter) and expect to wrap up 8th (# 20) before june is out.
1919198;1561210780;a111;Logged on 2019-06-22 06:37 mp_en_viaje: may 27th is week 22 ; june 10 is week 24. we're just about starting week 26, because yes, there's a finite number of weeks in any one year, and it's known in advance : 52 of 'em. once june ends so will have ended half of 2019.
1919199;1561210887;asciilifeform;on top of this, buncha other '19 material, in various stages of publication ( e.g. [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-15#1918255][the mips] ; massive pile of bolix material, O(1) adatronic db replacement for trb , not published yet; and coupla other )
1919200;1561210887;a111;Logged on 2019-06-15 19:14 asciilifeform: aim is a 'mips 4000' compat. item (for ease of hardwarization, when time comes) if anyone cares. and at some pt will also have to port gnat, cuntoo... to it.
1919201;1561211092;asciilifeform;ch20 incidentally is 1 of the components for keccak. (after have all of keccak, we have full battlefield rsatron. THAT IS if folx actually bother to read & sign the chs! so far ~no one~ but asciilifeform signed any 2019 ch's... )
1919202;1561211132;asciilifeform;for that matter, afaik none of the eaters have eaten the 2nd half of 2018 yet.
1919203;1561211155;asciilifeform;( anyone worked through barrett ? it's the 1 ~original~ proof in the series, thus far )
1919204;1561211185;diana_coman;asciilifeform: I did and I even found it easier than previous material though I'm not sure why;
1919205;1561211191;asciilifeform;oh ha!
1919206;1561211199;asciilifeform;diana_coman: dun hesitate to comment plox.
1919207;1561211229;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919174 << ftr i find bvt's asm work quite useful, and it will be incorporated into the flagship vtree when i get a chance.
1919208;1561211229;a111;Logged on 2019-06-22 07:09 bvt: i do expect that 'saltmine season' is over now -- i've been working on asming karatsuba squaring (ffa ch.12b) over this week, post expected tomorrow.
1919209;1561211252;asciilifeform;easily 5x speedup, in the end.
1919210;1561211358;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919184 << sad to hear that phf is in this condition. hey phf can you at least throw bring the [http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=ffa][ffa patches/sigs on btcbase] up to date ? i think i asked 3x already... surely this takes less than 10min on your end
1919211;1561211358;a111;Logged on 2019-06-22 07:36 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919159 << i'm burned out from my recent misadventures, i've taken several approaches to both republican and secural work, and i'm failing to load it in my brain, or make any kind of dent
1919212;1561211426;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919191 << yes it's rockchip and yes available, there's a brand-new and entirely vacant one, it was discussed at length in the log !
1919213;1561211426;a111;Logged on 2019-06-22 07:44 danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-20#1919087 << is rk a rockchip? are there any available? what's it cost?
1919214;1561211514;asciilifeform;keep in mind that piz subscriptions are not available to folx who get [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919170][drummed out] tho ! danielpbarron perhaps can avoid ? if starts doing sumthing useful
1919215;1561211514;a111;Logged on 2019-06-22 06:58 mp_en_viaje: and yes ima negrate dpb just as soon as i get to my main keys, he's too fucking busy to http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-12#1918049 while http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-20#1919091 all day long ? because what, what the fuck's this republic, everyone's suburban helicopter mom, to roll eyes at while eating her sandwiches and thinking about how to steal shit from the house to curry favour with a bunch of morons in school ?
1919216;1561211566;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, yes, just as long as we're not looking at june specifically. not to mention managing BingoBoingo / pizarro, such that the man has nfi what the cost structure's like and so following.
1919217;1561211691;asciilifeform;i'd luvv to grow 6 or 7 additional hands.
1919218;1561211775;mircea_popescu;right.
1919219;1561211829;mircea_popescu;spyked, it is infinitely more valuable to have regular, fixed and SMALL intervals update, than to "achiever heroic tasks" or whatever idiocy the usual engineer shitbrain'susually after.
1919220;1561211875;mircea_popescu;the sort of "before publishing, I'm making sure" idiocy is exactly, but i do mean exactly, of the same substance as the fat girl's "this donut has no calories". it uses the exact same parts of the brain in the exact same way.
1919221;1561211914;diana_coman;fwiw I can add from experience that no amount of making sure is actually...making sure.
1919222;1561211916;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919166 << trinque sweated out a draft cuntoo, which sadly i have not had chance to test in anger. i have a physical box that is destined for it , when get chance, and also will be porting it to the sim-mips, ditto. but i promised to mircea_popescu not to undertake any elaborate works until ffa suitable for 'discard gpg' and extension to other (gossipd, trbi, what else is waiting on it) paths
1919223;1561211916;a111;Logged on 2019-06-22 06:47 mp_en_viaje: we have no workable bitcoin nor any sort or kind of measurable progress towards one ; we have no working os, and not only is there no progress towards one but as best as i can discern the situation's rather turning in the direction of "buried in concrete" ; we eminently do not have any sort of meat acquisition system going, while pizarro can't get customers and all dpb can be bothered to do is ~USE IT~ to try and get meat for th
1919224;1561211949;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, twas tested, with a pile of results, months ago.
1919225;1561211959;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, quite.
1919226;1561211985;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: right, and iirc test resulted in open questions ( item not yet fully replicable, but no one knows precisely why )
1919227;1561211986;mircea_popescu;trinque, for some reason, deedbot's not answering !!withdrawal !!v's anymore.
1919228;1561212055;mircea_popescu;and since i've been stuck doing a shitload of these by [slave]hand : the gpg format is fucking TERRIBLE, the small/caps duality is sheer idiocy (90+% of all errors and general slowdown on top of it because of shift) ;
1919229;1561212098;mircea_popescu;a very useful tool for dropping the workload from ~50 minutes to ~30 minutes / otp is s/\n/" | sha512sum | cut -c1-2 >> hurr.txt \necho "/ and then comparing the line crcs.
1919230;1561212130;mircea_popescu;which makes me believe republican format otp should actually come as xxxx xxxx xxxx xxxx xxxx xxxx xxxx xxxx [yyyy] blocks
1919231;1561212134;asciilifeform;!#seen ave1
1919232;1561212134;a111;2019-05-30 <ave1> ty asciilifeform
1919233;1561212147;mircea_popescu;such that x is alphanumeric ([a-z][0-9] and y is a checksum
1919234;1561212170;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: like the old kgb otp ! also printed in groups of 4.
1919235;1561212189;asciilifeform;empirically easier to work with, when formatted in groups
1919236;1561212199;mircea_popescu;yes. evidently the risskis put some actual work into establishing the format, rather than just seat of pants like the empire of stupid.
1919237;1561212215;asciilifeform;admittedly i've never seen the ameri-otp
1919238;1561212241;mircea_popescu;and speaking of empire of stupid, the "lead story" for the past coupla days has been this incredible idiocy piece about how the femstate discovering it does not actually have operational capacity to launch planes / bomb places anymore is nevertheless a good thing, because "humanitarian" or some dumb shit.
1919239;1561212260;asciilifeform;( groups of 5, with 5th symbol being checksum, would imho be ideal -- then can report eggog on group when keying )
1919240;1561212271;mircea_popescu;next on cnn, a stupid cunt taking a dump in her own mouth. it gotta happen, because literally every other self-crit / over the top humiliation has been done to death.
1919241;1561212306;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i expect this will be next 'diet trend' -- arse-mouth hose.
1919242;1561212309;mircea_popescu;oh, and also, the us.tards discovered "they could win a nuclear war"
1919243;1561212316;asciilifeform;next step of tech-evolution after soy etc
1919244;1561212345;mircea_popescu;the procedure, transparently from empirical data as well as doubtless following their bayesian deductive logic would be, that since they no longer have the capacity to nuke anyone, it then follows they'll necessarily win a nuke war -- in the imagination.
1919245;1561212353;mircea_popescu;which is how they've been winning things since 1945.
1919246;1561212359;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: loudly 'coulding win' is what those folx do for a 'living' neh.
1919247;1561212366;mircea_popescu;quite.
1919248;1561212484;asciilifeform;admittedly asciilifeform not had time to follow pantsuit press. last i knew they helpfully assembled the old carrier fleet into a convenient shooting gallery for iran. (who for some reason not taken advantage yet)
1919249;1561212497;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919210 << nevermind the "sad". phf you can either talk about it an' get it fixed, or otherwise keep nursing it Framedragger style. there's no practical options otherwise.
1919250;1561212497;a111;Logged on 2019-06-22 13:49 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919184 << sad to hear that phf is in this condition. hey phf can you at least throw bring the [http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=ffa][ffa patches/sigs on btcbase] up to date ? i think i asked 3x already... surely this takes less than 10min on your end
1919251;1561212580;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i expected that finally making it to ru would be morale booster for phf. ( evidently not? wai not ? )
1919252;1561212604;mircea_popescu;nfi, he's as private as a virgin teen.
1919253;1561212689;mircea_popescu;!!rate danielpbarron -10 used to hang around here, meanwhile found greener pastures.
1919254;1561212692;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/7GMN1/?raw=true
1919255;1561212730;mircea_popescu;now for yet another half hour episode of driving the-sorta-people-nobody-here-knows-how-to-replace blind on nonsense strings.
1919256;1561212732;mircea_popescu;bbl
1919257;1561213951;*;asciilifeform indeed cannot do 4096b rsa by hand in half hour, nor knows anyone who can
1919258;1561214043;asciilifeform;( perhaps aside from frank herbert's 'mentats', who are unfortunately fictional... )
1919259;1561214422;*;asciilifeform brb:tea
1919260;1561214747;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, it's just the copying over of otps
1919261;1561216134;Mocky;mircea_popescu: I've failed at managing myself for the last few months. I let myself get overwhelmed with dumb shit. I thought I could do it all despite the evidence to the contrary. Republican work got dropped along with a bunch of other. But republican work is what I care about and not the dumb shit. So I'm changing this now. Head in the sand is no way to live and putting others in the position to say, 'hey, wtf
1919262;1561216134;Mocky;happened to you?' is even worse.
1919263;1561216275;Mocky;I got my blob migrated over to mp_wp, but got hung up on theme changes. I'm going to go live with it and fix the theme later. I need to have a functional blog
1919264;1561216283;Mocky;*blog
1919265;1561216685;Mocky;my work on gns is at the stage where I'm loading v fully into my head and making sure I know the questions I need to ask before I start implementing. I'll blog about it
1919266;1561216866;Mocky;I need to figure out how I can log into #trilema from my work computer during the day
1919267;1561217870;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aah
1919268;1561217942;asciilifeform;Mocky: bouncer (znc or similar) . if yer in an especially dire shithole, may have to hang it (or the ssh tunnel leading to it ) on port 80
1919269;1561218023;asciilifeform;historically this aint the problem, tho, in '16 asciilifeform was stuck in such a snakepit, could speak all he wanted , but could not ~think~
1919270;1561218048;asciilifeform;( this, arguably, is worse than to be able to neither think nor speak )
1919271;1561218333;Mocky;asciilifeform: thanks. and why couldn't think, distractions?
1919272;1561218373;asciilifeform;Mocky: it was the sorta job that destroys yer head, like cerebral equiv. of black lung.
1919273;1561218501;asciilifeform;Mocky: for bonus ugh, politruk showed up erry day to ask asciilifeform when he'd agree to take holy orders 'and start the interesting projs'
1919274;1561218621;Mocky;icing on the cake
1919275;1561218741;asciilifeform;sketched out the experience e.g. [http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-30#1876254][here] & elsewhere
1919276;1561218741;a111;Logged on 2018-11-30 03:07 asciilifeform: zx2c4: you may find it interesting to learn that i once worked in a dour 'salt mine' where shat out 'correctness proof' all day. in 'sage.'
1919277;1561218857;asciilifeform;it was funny, was hired in the 1st place for 'solving' problem apriori known to be a squared circle, 'homomorphic crypto'.
1919278;1561218932;asciilifeform;i suppose taking day job as astrologer went ok for kepler. but he was after all kepler. did not go well for asciilifeform .
1919279;1561221687;bvt;mircea_popescu: i guess that there two components in your question. the easy is ffa: is agree that my ffa-related output is underwhelming for a lord, however 1) i don't expect that it will eat much more time (at ch.14 i'll see if there is really need for further asming, the anticipated answer is "not really") 2) i find speedup from asming generally useful, so i don't think the time i spent on it is wasted.
1919280;1561221703;bvt;after ffa I will have a look at other things (like ripping out kernel rng, having another look at gnat-arm64 internals, as it seems there is no ongoing work on this front atm). i expect to get something useful as a result, and maintain it in long term.
1919281;1561221715;bvt;the hard part is 'fiat overlord' and being able to dedicate stable amounts of time to republican work, for this i don't have an acceptable answer.
1919282;1561221804;asciilifeform;re: loose ends: fwiw asciilifeform did in fact add the final missing piece to [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-15#1918251][mipstron]. BUT! can't test with the [https://github.com/andrewchambers/cmips][dummkopf's orig linux image] as he... guess wat, his system had little-endian word accesses but big-endian byte read/write ! so his image in fact will boot on NO existing mips, nor any afaik other emulator.
1919283;1561221804;a111;Logged on 2019-06-15 19:10 asciilifeform: emulates errything but the page table mechanism, which is somewhat gnarly even on mips (tho miniscule compared to pc's)
1919284;1561221808;asciilifeform;so it'll have to wait.
1919285;1561221913;asciilifeform;( 13kB executable, fwiw, uses no libc (no libs at all), and no linux syscalls beyond mmap & console i/o )
1919286;1561222026;asciilifeform;imho a Trooly Sane arch ought not to even permit sub-word addressing. as e.g. lispm did not.
1919287;1561222032;asciilifeform;cuz 'endianism' is retarded.
1919288;1561222043;asciilifeform;(but iirc we already had thrd re subj)
1919289;1561224986;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919279 << ftr i do not think it is waste. i expect that most 'realtime' applications (e.g. 'gossip') will want the asmistic ffa.
1919290;1561224986;a111;Logged on 2019-06-22 16:41 bvt: mircea_popescu: i guess that there two components in your question. the easy is ffa: is agree that my ffa-related output is underwhelming for a lord, however 1) i don't expect that it will eat much more time (at ch.14 i'll see if there is really need for further asming, the anticipated answer is "not really") 2) i find speedup from asming generally useful, so i don't think the time i spent on it is wasted.
1919291;1561226571;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919227 << getting responses over here
1919292;1561226571;a111;Logged on 2019-06-22 13:59 mircea_popescu: trinque, for some reason, deedbot's not answering !!withdrawal !!v's anymore.
1919293;1561226775;trinque;lmk if still not getting anything
1919294;1561226848;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919226 << where I left it is "operator still has to understand linux to use the thing"
1919295;1561226848;a111;Logged on 2019-06-22 13:59 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: right, and iirc test resulted in open questions ( item not yet fully replicable, but no one knows precisely why )
1919296;1561226867;trinque;I noticed that not a soul read the scripts that bootstrap cuntoo
1919297;1561226950;trinque;and perhaps this is what's wanted, but the ubuntu-like installer that supports all hardware without anyone needing to learn to spin a linux kernel is a different kind of item
1919298;1561226977;trinque;and the kind which implicitly hauls in the wrong kind of relationship to the machine
1919299;1561227043;trinque;but at any rate, none of the above is a counterargument to the "republic does things, or isn't."
1919300;1561227230;trinque;as for me, I will still have to batch my efforts since I am not independently wealthy
1919301;1561227272;trinque;this is not a circumstance to which I'm resigned, but is what it is.
1919302;1561227431;asciilifeform;trinque: i dun think anyone expects 'ubuntu-like installer' (at least not i)
1919303;1561227455;trinque;perhaps all that's needed there is a cut ISO.
1919304;1561227525;asciilifeform;trinque: re the 'iron babel', asciilifeform strongly suspects that a standardized 'textbook' arch, even with 'artificial' (soft) rather than troo iron available, would be of much use re cuntooism
1919305;1561227594;trinque;i.e. target a qemu arch or the like?
1919306;1561227633;asciilifeform;trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-15#1918247 thrd
1919307;1561227633;a111;Logged on 2019-06-15 19:09 asciilifeform: ftr, during 'vacation' wrote a vehehery rought draft of [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-04#1917051][item] prev. discussed in log
1919308;1561227647;asciilifeform;( qemu, imho, as it stands, is garbage )
1919309;1561227658;trinque;ah yes, I saw this thread.
1919310;1561227683;asciilifeform;trinque: does the notion make sense to you, or is lunacy ?
1919311;1561227747;asciilifeform;cuz imho an envir where you can build yer os/proggies at home, then upload whole thing to piz (or even yer own box wherever) an' run, and then snapshot, download state, run again at home, or (exotica) sync 2 running instances -- would be a win
1919312;1561227800;trinque;yeah, containers in the abstract are extremely handy tools, just all the implementations are mountains of garbage.
1919313;1561227826;*;trinque reflects on his several migrations of the deedbot stack
1919314;1561227873;asciilifeform;afaik 'container' heathenism usually refers to orc attempts at circumventing os lack of static linkage, rather than whole-os in bottle
1919315;1561227875;asciilifeform;but could be mistaken
1919316;1561227895;asciilifeform;meanwhile in augur omens, a bird just exploded against asciilifeform's window
1919317;1561227971;trinque;lol, what do the bird giblets portend?
1919318;1561228104;asciilifeform;dunno, asciilifeform is not a pro augur
1919319;1561228334;BingoBoingo;Post the pic, maybe an augur comes around?
1919320;1561228367;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: if when i get up find it, will post. loox like might be deep in a hedge.
1919321;1561228571;asciilifeform;trinque: since you seem to be familiar with subj : outta curiosity, do any of the heathen 'cloud'isms allow user to run same 'machine' on multiple irons in lockstep ?
1919322;1561228618;asciilifeform;i.e. connect to one, its state changes, and it sends message to others, which majoritate ?
1919323;1561228662;trinque;nope, but this is exactly the kind of thing that an actual compute substrate would do
1919324;1561228696;trinque;upstack, it's not just a step around lack of static linking, but also deterministic reproduction of config state
1919325;1561228710;asciilifeform;right
1919326;1561228741;trinque;(of course, not actual determinism since no deterministic gcc)
1919327;1561228741;asciilifeform;it's funny, imho, how heathens fucked the softs stack to the point where it actually makes sense to pass a whole-machine state around
1919328;1561228760;asciilifeform;( which afaik they do not do , 'because slow', cuz nobody can be arsed to asm iguess )
1919329;1561228799;trinque;iirc you can now suspend a xen instance on one, awaken on another
1919330;1561228821;trinque;not to compliment that stack of chairs, but yes, they do this
1919331;1561228845;asciilifeform;rright, ditto 'vmware' etc. but can you force'em to auto-synchronize the state on 2 physically separate boxen
1919332;1561228877;trinque;I don't know of any minorityreportronic extension to the thing
1919333;1561229944;asciilifeform;the 'secret' of this is that you only gotta propagate the ~inputs~ .
1919334;1561229945;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/06/british-couple-found-guilty-of-funding-terrorism-for-sending-trivial-sum-to-son/ << Qntra -- British Couple Found Guilty Of Funding Terrorism For Sending Trivial Sum To Son
1919335;1561229965;asciilifeform;( given that deterministic mechanism will transition to same state always from given state + given input )
1919336;1561230034;asciilifeform;output will in any instance be exactly same from all working copies.
1919337;1561230230;trinque;these communicating over gossipd makes a pretty clear picture
1919338;1561230398;BingoBoingo;Mean while in the local campaign: Legalize Contraband! https://www.montevideo.com.uy/Noticias/Lista-de-Lacalle-busca-legalizar-el-contrabando-y-su-eslogan-es-Un-bagayero-un-patriota--uc722044
1919339;1561230405;asciilifeform;trinque: correct. if your 'processors' dun have to deal with rando liquishit from whole planet at once, but only w/ authentic peers, it becomes practical proposition.
1919340;1561230479;trinque;not even only with authentic, maybe, but with randos at a manageable pace.
1919341;1561230502;*;trinque supposes a gradient where one's computewot grows in trust over time
1919342;1561230521;asciilifeform;trinque: rrright but the 'authentic' is how you guarantee manageable pace.
1919343;1561230529;trinque;indeed
1919344;1561230547;asciilifeform;otherwise 'all nodes propagate all inputs to all nodes' is a ddos ~amplifier~ .
1919345;1561234748;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/06/oregon-government-in-chaos-as-minority-party-boycotts-pantsuit-legislation/ << Qntra -- Oregon Government In Chaos As Minority Party Boycotts Pantsuit Legislation
1919346;1561236142;Mocky;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919333 << this is done for certain multiplayer video games where pixel identical frames need to be shown to remote players.
1919347;1561236142;a111;Logged on 2019-06-22 18:59 asciilifeform: the 'secret' of this is that you only gotta propagate the ~inputs~ .
1919348;1561236171;Mocky;in practice it's 2 players only and considered a feature of the physics engine, even so often laggy as hell
1919349;1561236272;Mocky;whole world stops whenever input data syncing trips over a network slow down
1919350;1561237164;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919261 << what i find deeply irritating it's that it tends to be republican work that gets dropped in such situations.
1919351;1561237164;a111;Logged on 2019-06-22 15:08 Mocky: mircea_popescu: I've failed at managing myself for the last few months. I let myself get overwhelmed with dumb shit. I thought I could do it all despite the evidence to the contrary. Republican work got dropped along with a bunch of other. But republican work is what I care about and not the dumb shit. So I'm changing this now. Head in the sand is no way to live and putting others in the position to say, 'hey, wtf
1919352;1561237178;mircea_popescu;like it's nobody's child or something, always lastest at the trough
1919353;1561237380;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919265 << this is actually pretty cool.
1919354;1561237380;a111;Logged on 2019-06-22 15:18 Mocky: my work on gns is at the stage where I'm loading v fully into my head and making sure I know the questions I need to ask before I start implementing. I'll blog about it
1919355;1561237417;trinque;Mocky: can I encourage you to produce an ebuild for your gns item when done?
1919356;1561237488;trinque;speaking of which, if ave1 is not going to produce an ebuild for his gcc, I imagine that's next priority on my end.
1919357;1561237537;mircea_popescu;bvt i don't think it's wasted either ; and for that matter came off too strong on the side of whatever my point was there.
1919358;1561237561;mircea_popescu;trinque, is the idea to ebuild ~everything ?
1919359;1561237583;trinque;yep, I think I need to demonstrate this a few times before it takes with others
1919360;1561237611;mircea_popescu;but v already does dependency handling.
1919361;1561237653;mircea_popescu;is the idea here "ebuild as an automake" ?
1919362;1561237715;trinque;build process automation, recall what I wrote produces a v-tree of ebuilds sufficient to have a booting linux
1919363;1561237736;trinque;would be entirely sensible to have the source v-trees grafted into the same tree.
1919364;1561237913;mod6;trinque: Speaking of an ebuild for ave1's musltronic tools, I've got one that works.  I've also got one for diana_coman's keccak V tools package.
1919365;1561237945;mircea_popescu;traditionally most everyone uses autoconf/automake for build automation fwis. well, at least eulora does.
1919366;1561237973;mod6;I still consider them "in-progress", but will forward what I have along to you here by Monday.  (I wanted to get these ones built before the trb one - which I'm just starting on now.)
1919367;1561238008;mod6;There will be a blog post I make about how I want through the ebuild process, but probably closer to month-end.
1919368;1561238018;trinque;I don't see how v denotes "build A, then B, then C package"
1919369;1561238048;trinque;mod6: oh hell yes
1919370;1561238056;mircea_popescu;i don't think it permits the notion of "package". but it will press to your intended destination, all leaves up to it.
1919371;1561238078;mircea_popescu;v notion of dependency isn't "package" based.
1919372;1561238269;mircea_popescu;what's a package, even ?
1919373;1561238271;trinque;I can see the continuous symbolic space mircea_popescu wants, but the cuntoo thing was exactly "capture these packages before they can't even be built anymore" plus a snapshot of a working build toolchain to do so.
1919374;1561238281;mircea_popescu; this it was.
1919375;1561238313;mircea_popescu;nothing wrong with it, it was so by agreement and deliberately not accidentally. now the problem of digestion, however...
1919376;1561238475;mircea_popescu;if we wanted fucking portage we could have just imported portage. but i think we just as deliberately did NOT want it ; we wanted v.
1919377;1561238499;mircea_popescu;and the reasons we wanted v were very much specifically and centrally "so such a thing as portage is can NOT be had, and such problems as it solves can not be solved"
1919378;1561238525;asciilifeform;re autoconf, asciilifeform considers autoconfism an evil, and none of his productions [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1533#selection-77.463-77.744][ever used it] or ever will
1919379;1561238559;mircea_popescu;i am not even disputing that. i think large projects (ie, again, eulora) used it as a ... well, default evil. "gotta use something, wtf can do".
1919380;1561238565;asciilifeform;!#s from:asciilifeform autoconf
1919381;1561238565;a111;32 results for "from:asciilifeform autoconf", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Aasciilifeform%20autoconf
1919382;1561238567;asciilifeform;^ see also
1919383;1561238583;mircea_popescu;much, i suspect, like why and wherefore trinque 's stuck with ebuilds. "wtf do you want me to do, make sense of gentoo in my spare time !?!?!"
1919384;1561238591;asciilifeform;and yes legacy crapola that nobody got around to deautoconfing yet, do use, there's 9000 on my boxen. but what i touch with own hands , away it goes
1919385;1561238607;asciilifeform;nobody needs 10MB of #ifdef dec_vax ....
1919386;1561238639;mircea_popescu;the fundamental problem remains, however, that a sufficiently large c/cpp code snippet will not build on any machine.
1919387;1561238652;mircea_popescu;recall just diana_coman 's adventure with "ints"
1919388;1561238658;asciilifeform;sufficiently toejam-encrusted, indeed not
1919389;1561238683;asciilifeform;but e.g. trb , pretty heavy, 0 autoconf (in the proggy per se, that is; there is some in the deps, however)
1919390;1561238726;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: re 'ebuilds', as i understand trinque's angle was/is to organically replace gentoo's ebuild duct tape with vtron
1919391;1561238731;mircea_popescu;all this said, i don't believe if someone wrote an ebuilds for say ffa they'd thereby degrade ffa.
1919392;1561238753;asciilifeform;it'd be a very trivial ebuild, lol. given as uses gprbuild, which actually worx correctly.
1919393;1561238765;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, the main problem here seems to be "what allowances to build system do we make in the fundamental"
1919394;1561238768;asciilifeform;(sorta like a 'make' not written by tards)
1919395;1561238827;mircea_popescu;and yes indeedy, i'd much rather mandate a "your project must buuld on gprbuild" than a "your project must include ebuild", if there's mandatin'.
1919396;1561238851;asciilifeform;ftr ada's 'gprbuild' is the 1st 'make'-like automator asciilifeform ever used that he did not want to throw against the wall erryday
1919397;1561238869;mircea_popescu;also dunno how well it works on cthings
1919398;1561238888;trinque;and it'll go build e.g. ncurses if your thing needed it?
1919399;1561238889;asciilifeform;worx at least on c/ada mixture, e.g. my udp lib
1919400;1561238896;asciilifeform;i have not tried it with megafauna like trb
1919401;1561238900;trinque;or is this "in six years time we'll have systems that work"
1919402;1561238944;mircea_popescu;he has a point there, in that at least portage will emerge a complete world, for whatever any other complaints one might harbor
1919403;1561238997;asciilifeform;aha, it's moar or less lang-agnostic. but it also is an orc half-implementation of v (attempts to find dependencies, and to check sigs, but for some reason the latter is optional, and the former only quasi-worx)
1919404;1561239012;mircea_popescu;trinque, do me a favour an' state the problem in yoru own words so as to see how synced we're here
1919405;1561239014;mircea_popescu;?
1919406;1561239034;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, indeed.
1919407;1561239207;mircea_popescu;not even that lang-agnostic, gotta have python.
1919408;1561239219;asciilifeform;well yes, was speaking of the payloads strictly
1919409;1561239221;trinque;mircea_popescu: we currently stand on a pile of hellish complexity that costs more man-lives than we have to transition to a form we'd find acceptable.
1919410;1561239232;asciilifeform;'emerge' itself is a quite gnarly ball o'python
1919411;1561239237;mircea_popescu;if gotta-have-python anyway, why am i wasting spyked's time with hutch&hoot, might as well use python for scripting.
1919412;1561239248;diana_coman;fwiw re gprbuild and legacy c/cpp-ism: cal3d lib builds with gprbuild absolutely fine; CS however not at all and it's not a trivial thing to port it either as far as I could tell at a quick look.
1919413;1561239263;trinque;my intent here has been to stablize the workbench and then make a *hard* break with the whole stack
1919414;1561239274;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, nor will anything else made by idiots, which is to say 70% of the kernel and 95% of the userspace.
1919415;1561239287;trinque;asciilifeform's mips-vm thing could be one candidate for the hard break
1919416;1561239288;diana_coman;I expect exactly that, yes.
1919417;1561239291;mircea_popescu;trinque, i meant the problem from this other side.
1919418;1561239298;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: imho python is one of the cheapest heathenisms to perma-kill. if e.g. spyked's miniature lisp could be grown to adulthood, can dispense with python/perl/bash/etc
1919419;1561239322;asciilifeform;the fundamental insight is circa '15 -- script lang dun need gc
1919420;1561239324;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, not if gotta ebuild. if you ebuild, suddenly python lives forever.
1919421;1561239362;asciilifeform;observe that v itself , orig asciilifeform wrote in python, on napkin, but since re-baked by many folx many times in other scriptrons
1919422;1561239395;mircea_popescu;i personally doubt such a thing as a lisp portage can be made. but then again i have no coding experience.
1919423;1561239436;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: can't resist to ask, wai
1919424;1561239456;mircea_popescu;i can't explain it. hence "personally"
1919425;1561239488;asciilifeform;there is even a (sad, disused, esthlos went to bottom of sea) but last i saw -- working -- cl vtron
1919426;1561239501;asciilifeform;pretty much 95% of a 'portage' right there
1919427;1561239509;mircea_popescu;yes, 95%.
1919428;1561239560;asciilifeform;the remaining 5% is to make it eat the ancient ebuild format. supposing that's even what we want, what with it having 'optional' sigs etc
1919429;1561239577;trinque;eh, there's a long... LONG tail there
1919430;1561239589;asciilifeform;trinque: plox to elaborate ftr
1919431;1561239591;mircea_popescu;kinda what we're trying to figure out -- what we want and why we want it.
1919432;1561239605;mircea_popescu;but yes, i wanna hear trinque
1919433;1561239825;trinque;ebuilds are on their 6th or 7th format revision; they're as much imperative code as they're declarative metadata
1919434;1561239842;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919415 << i must point out, this item imho is orthogonal to the problem of this thrd, a standard 'machine' does not remove the need for proper 'systemwide vtron'-aka-portage-replacement
1919435;1561239842;a111;Logged on 2019-06-22 21:34 trinque: asciilifeform's mips-vm thing could be one candidate for the hard break
1919436;1561239859;trinque;last dive I took into the portage code, it appeared to be filled with steps around either bugs in linux or packages
1919437;1561239871;trinque;there's a mountain of environment variables that affects how portage behaves
1919438;1561239898;asciilifeform;the heathens ftr took up this fallacy ( 'who needs reproducible builds, we have vmware' ) and have written themselves into some pretty amazing corners ('what did you say, you wanted to BUILD 'rails' from src? no one has done this since 2011... here have a vm' etc)
1919439;1561239964;asciilifeform;trinque: i gotta say, i cannot picture any legit reason why an ebuild would contain imperative code
1919440;1561239972;mircea_popescu;the 5% dude.
1919441;1561239990;mircea_popescu;they built this magical workaround their own idiocy. what the hell could it possibly consist of besides the devil himself ?
1919442;1561239994;mircea_popescu;"oh but look, it works!"
1919443;1561240005;asciilifeform;i've seen it, this imperative coad, it consists of 'probe for bug xxxxxx'
1919444;1561240016;trinque;right.
1919445;1561240025;mircea_popescu;i've not looked in a long time, myself.
1919446;1561240031;asciilifeform;it's the ebuild equiv of orig 'patch''s 'merging'
1919447;1561240038;trinque;it's a bunch of portlanders all saying "oh no *you* go" at the 4 way stop
1919448;1561240040;asciilifeform;i.e. specifically what vtronics was designed to abolish
1919449;1561240058;asciilifeform;there cannot be any such thing as nondeterministic process in vpress
1919450;1561240066;asciilifeform;which is what 'if bug xxxxxxx....' adds up to
1919451;1561240124;asciilifeform;!#s ifdefism
1919452;1561240124;a111;10 results for "ifdefism", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=ifdefism
1919453;1561240126;asciilifeform;^ see also
1919454;1561240133;mircea_popescu;well yes, but look here : at some point we decided to save the state of computing, specifically to avoid this "nobody has built since 2011, here have a [http://trilema.com/2017/hela-matter/][virtual machine]"
1919455;1561240136;trinque;this principle does not reveal a path
1919456;1561240147;trinque;asciilifeform: ^
1919457;1561240153;mircea_popescu;now what's the idea, we'll keep it under glass and... not use it ?
1919458;1561240169;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: correct. and 1ce you 'saved state', you dun need 'if bug xxxxxx...'. cuz you ~already know~ whether this evaluates to troo or false
1919459;1561240183;asciilifeform;just like you already know that you aint building on a dec vax
1919460;1561240198;asciilifeform;(cuz if you ~were~ -- you'd have pressed 'dec vax' vtree, not 'pc' )
1919461;1561240246;mircea_popescu;we currently know ~nothing about the ~100mn lines of crap that constitute any machine [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-02#1916700][anyone actually boots into].
1919462;1561240246;a111;Logged on 2019-06-02 03:43 mircea_popescu: all joking aside : the best answer i could produce for the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-01#1916471 question stands as "choose between steamos and ubuntu", which in plain terms is "do you wish to make your computer a supernintendo and buy [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=752][virtual] cartridges for it ? or would you rather make your computer a mobile phone ?"
1919463;1561240280;mircea_popescu;and your solution seems to me a bit of smoke and magic, because what will you use to manage "which v tree, dec or pc" ? a vortage ?
1919464;1561240282;mircea_popescu;to do the "ifdef vax" in a magically acceptable manner ?
1919465;1561240290;asciilifeform;asciilifeform was able to [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1533#selection-77.463-77.744][cut several MB from ye olde gnu mpi] (which today lives in diana_coman's 'eucrypt') simply by beheading the #ifdef dec_vax... and #ifdef xenix... etc
1919466;1561240313;mircea_popescu;also managed to cut my video card.
1919467;1561240325;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i described this in the orig ifdefism thread. the solution is to stop pretending that coad worx on boxen where no one in living memory had ever tested it and signed.
1919468;1561240364;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: yer card runs on closed vendorblob, neh. how would that even make it into a cuntoo-portage or vtree at all.
1919469;1561240373;mircea_popescu;if tomorrow we have a ffa-for-pc and a ffa-for-mips alternative, there WILL BE AN IFDEF.
1919470;1561240387;asciilifeform;why ?
1919471;1561240392;mircea_popescu;well wtf is it ?
1919472;1561240395;asciilifeform;2 vtrees.
1919473;1561240414;asciilifeform;which diverse at the point where you added asmism or whatever it is that marries it to given $irons
1919474;1561240418;asciilifeform;*diverge
1919475;1561240430;mircea_popescu;and how is one picked ?
1919476;1561240440;mircea_popescu;don't tell me your idea is "ifdefism only acceptable if done by hand"
1919477;1561240478;asciilifeform;when i pull disk out of binder to install os, already pick the 1 where wrote down the type of cpu for which it was, neh
1919478;1561240487;asciilifeform;could argue that this is 'ifdef by hand', i suppose
1919479;1561240494;mircea_popescu;well ?
1919480;1561240504;mircea_popescu;so THIS is your idea, "ifdefism by hand only" ?
1919481;1561240510;mircea_popescu;because it doesn't seem like so much of an idea to me.
1919482;1561240522;asciilifeform;it aint 'ifdefism' if you dun have two incompatible items which purport to inhabit the same vtree.
1919483;1561240549;mircea_popescu;...
1919484;1561240555;mircea_popescu;both the mips and the x86 ffas pretend to ffa, do they ?
1919485;1561240559;asciilifeform;rly, we gotta do the ifdef thread again entirely ?
1919486;1561240583;mircea_popescu;just the "merely not liking rain doesn't turn off the storm" portion of it.
1919487;1561240590;asciilifeform;the problem of 'ifdef' is the clusterfuck where i am given to sign a patch that includes '#ifdef vax' but i dun have a vax. and dun intend to.
1919488;1561240602;mircea_popescu;this part is fine.
1919489;1561240632;asciilifeform;so i tell the fella with the vax, 'go and make this its own tree, give it to fellow vaxers to sign, not to me'.
1919490;1561240652;trinque;possibly tangent, but imho there needs to be a distinction between the language of the gods (and the rules thereof) and handbook of suitable places to take a shit.
1919491;1561240667;mircea_popescu;ok.
1919492;1561240693;mircea_popescu;what'd the distinction be ?
1919493;1561240740;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, suppose fellow wants ffa. how does he pick the one he needs ?
1919494;1561240757;trinque;that human forms only ever approximate the godly ones, even if always approaching
1919495;1561240757;mircea_popescu;the fundamental problem here is the implicit dwim-ism involved in "i don't have a vax/dec/cuisinart, i have a COMPUTER, as in the abstract"
1919496;1561240764;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: when he bought cpu, presumably he knows which one he bought, neh
1919497;1561240773;mircea_popescu;neh.
1919498;1561240776;trinque;implicit in this is no approval of staying still
1919499;1561240781;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: describe this to me plox.
1919500;1561240792;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: do you personally own a box where you do not know which cpu is installed ?
1919501;1561240806;mircea_popescu;yes. about half of them.
1919502;1561240819;mircea_popescu;i mitigate this problem by very pointedly only buying certain kinds / classes.
1919503;1561240828;asciilifeform;lol, why, cuz they fell from airplane and not opened the crate yet ?
1919504;1561240833;mircea_popescu;but it's a mitigation, if i wanna know i gotta look.
1919505;1561240842;mircea_popescu;no, because who gives a flying fuck already.
1919506;1561240883;mircea_popescu;trinque, if everyone includes ebuilds of everything and in a few years' time everyone's just doing portage because "it's easier, man" ima be very damn sad.
1919507;1561240889;asciilifeform;do you also own e.g. pistols where you dun know the caliber ?
1919508;1561240899;asciilifeform;'i'ma buy 9000 types of shell and try each' ?!
1919509;1561240913;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, there's nothing to do between a gun and a computer. a gun is a tool. a c omputer is a piece of shit.
1919510;1561240920;mircea_popescu;i often take shits i do not know the mass of.
1919511;1561240940;asciilifeform;and this is when we learned that mircea_popescu dun have a scale in his toilet lol
1919512;1561240943;trinque;asciilifeform: heh, wealth opens up these approaches!!
1919513;1561240958;trinque;can delegate shits even
1919514;1561240984;asciilifeform;pretty great
1919515;1561240993;mircea_popescu;you understand this, yes ? there's no definite utility to computers. for all the promises of grandeur and wunderbarness, a gun's a gun's a gun, and a computer's a smartphone's a tivo.
1919516;1561241004;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919506 << this is understood
1919517;1561241004;a111;Logged on 2019-06-22 22:01 mircea_popescu: trinque, if everyone includes ebuilds of everything and in a few years' time everyone's just doing portage because "it's easier, man" ima be very damn sad.
1919518;1561241027;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if pc were a small arm, i'd say would be 'zip gun' made from old brass pipe and paperclip, at this pt in time
1919519;1561241059;asciilifeform;(or, charitably, the old chinese 'leather cannon', 50% likelihood of nailing either artilleryman or enemy )
1919520;1561241070;mircea_popescu;trinque, yes, but how about actually giving this teeth from the get go, in the sense of working out some sort of something that both conserves the gains and opens up gentoo to being raped raw
1919521;1561241074;asciilifeform;notion is to do something about this, rather than simple lament, tho.
1919522;1561241084;mircea_popescu;so then don't go at me with "calibers" and other such selg-aggrandizing nonsense, mr alchemist man.
1919523;1561241125;asciilifeform;what can i say, i cannot speak for mircea_popescu , but i have never bought a 'mystery pc' where i have nfi apriori what os to even attempt on it
1919524;1561241139;trinque;my contention is there won't be gentoo to speak of in that world, which is desirable, and far ahead yet.
1919525;1561241187;mircea_popescu;i evidently have, the damned story's in the recent logs.
1919526;1561241187;mircea_popescu;trinque, let's go at this a different path. what would you even do with a trb ebuild ?
1919527;1561241262;asciilifeform;corollary to this q : how would a 'trb ebuild' differ from the trb vtree as it stands ?
1919528;1561241305;trinque;mircea_popescu: end up with a working trb-running server more quickly than I do today
1919529;1561241372;mircea_popescu;that also wouldn't be a trb server, practically speaking.\
1919530;1561241512;mircea_popescu;i mean, maybe all local wot failed to sign a patch portage deemed essential so it downloaded it from power-rangers.net. yes ?
1919531;1561241534;trinque;this is why I packed every dep tarball into my snapshot
1919532;1561241548;trinque;retrieving from power rangers can be snipped off trivially
1919533;1561241775;mircea_popescu;it's funny, because he laughed at me earlier when i http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919502
1919534;1561241775;a111;Logged on 2019-06-22 22:00 mircea_popescu: i mitigate this problem by very pointedly only buying certain kinds / classes.
1919535;1561241807;*;asciilifeform must go to a lengthy meat chore ; bbl
1919536;1561241894;mircea_popescu;at the very rock bottom of this : the ~deal~ of portage is that it installs things for you without you necessarily understanding why. this is the pay-off, yes, "you don't have to be concerned with every little detail" or however it goes. and the cost for this is, that you don't get to understand how it installs things for you. because ultimately, you don't, whether you want to or not entirely immaterial, ungermane an' spur
1919537;1561241894;mircea_popescu;ious a consideration.
1919538;1561241905;mircea_popescu;this seems a fundamentally bad deal to me.
1919539;1561241914;mircea_popescu;is there something mroe to this i'm missing ?
1919540;1561241978;asciilifeform;this resembles asciilifeform's orig. argument against having to write vtron -- 'just press the fucking patches by hand, lazy people'. but mircea_popescu didn't buy it then, so had to write vtron.
1919541;1561241984;*;asciilifeform genuinely bbl
1919542;1561242015;mircea_popescu;understanding's not a mechanical task.
1919543;1561242145;trinque;the deal of portage is it does what'd otherwise be days of pointless labor untarring and making programs to stand up a new system
1919544;1561242212;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919293 << http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/QJQ3S/?raw=true
1919545;1561242212;a111;Logged on 2019-06-22 18:06 trinque: lmk if still not getting anything
1919546;1561242258;mircea_popescu;so is rather the problem that v-tron doesn't come with the right toolkit ? should get a tar and an interface for make ?
1919547;1561242367;trinque;yep, if it had a sensible build system, and the work was done to port needed items to that build system, portage would be obviated
1919548;1561242402;mircea_popescu;well, wouldn't this be better than just moving everything over to portage ?
1919549;1561242521;trinque;moving every needed package to gprbuild will take years, and sure.
1919550;1561242564;mircea_popescu;does it have to be gprbuild specifically ?
1919551;1561242569;trinque;nope, just picking an example
1919552;1561242578;mircea_popescu;why can't it be exactly what it is now ?
1919553;1561242607;trinque;what orchestrates building A first, then B, and finally C that links A and B, is portage
1919554;1561242614;trinque;*now
1919555;1561242645;mircea_popescu;well, in gentoo world. in tmsr world, what orchestrates that is v.
1919556;1561242705;trinque;this is a "forward-looking statement" eh? I don't disagree with it
1919557;1561242802;*;trinque back in a few
1919558;1561242839;mircea_popescu;i suppose the one true break here, is that portage system actually excepts to build and link by bits. "out of the codemass intended to be used, arbitrarily selected portion A is built and linked first, producing object files, then B is built and linked against those binaries"
1919559;1561242868;mircea_popescu;whereas implicit v-ism would be "all code is made one pile, then built once and linked, and that's it".
1919560;1561242911;mircea_popescu;s/excepts/expects/
1919561;1561242976;mircea_popescu;in this context then, if we decide we like the "packages" abstraction, for whatever reason, the obvious solution would be to maintain ebuilds of various vtrees as packages, and emerge them into a desired pile together.
1919562;1561243074;trinque;mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/yjvw4/?raw=true
1919563;1561243094;mircea_popescu;whereas if we decide we dislike the "packages" abstraction (and not merely dislike it a little bit, but quite a lot, enough to justify a lot of rewriting) then the available solution's to just make one big v tree. coming with the obvious problem that if indeed the whole world's just one tree, then trying to play BOTH duke nukem AND warcraft 2 will result in two copies of the kernel compiled, like if we were idiots.
1919564;1561243159;mircea_popescu;trinque, do me a favour and also encrypt to http://wot.deedbot.org/208FE107E970F53262C4951232992F13CFA6CD06.asc so i don't have to wake up the girls to do ahlf hour of typing for me again
1919565;1561243321;trinque;was little more than "pls try again"; I think you caught me before I updated records
1919566;1561243384;mircea_popescu;you don't mean "pls try again" as in, issue command again ? as opposed to "put !!v strings in again" ? do you ?
1919567;1561243598;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919282 << this is such sad nonsense...
1919568;1561243598;a111;Logged on 2019-06-22 16:43 asciilifeform: re: loose ends: fwiw asciilifeform did in fact add the final missing piece to [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-15#1918251][mipstron]. BUT! can't test with the [https://github.com/andrewchambers/cmips][dummkopf's orig linux image] as he... guess wat, his system had little-endian word accesses but big-endian byte read/write ! so his image in fact will boot on NO existing mips, nor any afaik other emulator.
1919569;1561243692;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919296 << how did you notice this ?
1919570;1561243692;a111;Logged on 2019-06-22 18:07 trinque: I noticed that not a soul read the scripts that bootstrap cuntoo
1919571;1561244037;mircea_popescu;there's on one hand the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-23#1837434 / http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-27#1875247 / http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-04#1917021 story arch, spanning a year. there's also the http://thewhet.net/2019/02/hanbots-cuntoo-bake-test-notes-part-i/ http://thewhet.net/2019/02/hanbots-cuntoo-bake-test-notes-part-ii/ http://thewhet.net/2019/03/hanbots-cuntoo-bake-test-notes-part-iii-with-prep-script/ http://t
1919572;1561244037;a111;Logged on 2018-07-23 14:08 diana_coman: eulora server is happily compiling on proto-cuntoo with ave1's gnat+gcc; all tests passed so far, LOC greatly reduced too, loads of shit cleaned away and discarded; we are looking forward to move it to production, so any eta for cuntoo?
1919573;1561244037;a111;Logged on 2018-11-27 18:18 diana_coman: asciilifeform, smg's test machine is running proto-cuntoo so it's not just any gentoo really
1919574;1561244037;a111;Logged on 2019-06-04 12:12 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-04#1917013 -> until we change OS basically; the test one was step towards Cuntoo and that's pretty much the only real reason for having 2 since playing around with the OS on a production server is rather iffy.
1919575;1561244037;mircea_popescu;hewhet.net/2019/03/hanbots-cuntoo-bake-test-notes-part-iv/ spanning a coupla months.
1919576;1561244253;mircea_popescu;now, if you wish for your takeaway from this to be "hanbot is not cool enough to run cuntoo" that's your priviledge, but i tell you i don't see the wisdom. for the same money you could say you never read the damned scripts, and butress the claim on eg http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-06#1893199
1919577;1561244253;a111;Logged on 2019-02-06 04:21 trinque: hanbot: hm, this got right past me. the cuntoo builder is 64bit only at the present.
1919578;1561244943;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919297 << there's an immense difference between usability and nurturing idiocy. yes, "not walking into open flame" is basic test of cns functionality ; nevertheless patterns of bursting flames on timers are found in video game platformers, not in between one's bedroom and bathroom.
1919579;1561244943;a111;Logged on 2019-06-22 18:09 trinque: and perhaps this is what's wanted, but the ubuntu-like installer that supports all hardware without anyone needing to learn to spin a linux kernel is a different kind of item
1919580;1561244983;mircea_popescu;this isn't because "we're building housing for the sort of braindead morons who literally can not avoid walking into fire", but because "holy shit, spending life avoiding spurious pitfalls is such a sad way to go about things".
1919581;1561245364;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919303 << this may work. my takeaway was that item could benefit from a little polish, a few choice one-liners added to documentation/comments, that sorta thing
1919582;1561245364;a111;Logged on 2019-06-22 18:17 trinque: perhaps all that's needed there is a cut ISO.
1919583;1561245424;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919311 << i think this is running in the wrong direction. just more shit to break / require rubber bads / touching just so and etc.
1919584;1561245424;a111;Logged on 2019-06-22 18:22 asciilifeform: cuz imho an envir where you can build yer os/proggies at home, then upload whole thing to piz (or even yer own box wherever) an' run, and then snapshot, download state, run again at home, or (exotica) sync 2 running instances -- would be a win
1919585;1561245637;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919322 << [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gluster][one of the corps] red hat bought and buried was arguably getting close.
1919586;1561245637;a111;Logged on 2019-06-22 18:36 asciilifeform: i.e. connect to one, its state changes, and it sends message to others, which majoritate ?
1919587;1561245675;mircea_popescu;(tl;dc : decade-old, filesystem-driven thing)
1919588;1561245771;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919337 << right.
1919589;1561245771;a111;Logged on 2019-06-22 19:03 trinque: these communicating over gossipd makes a pretty clear picture
1919590;1561246518;*;mircea_popescu to bed. but ima try to be on tomorro (tho prolly on the viaje nick) because it seems to me there's two different layers of unhapiness preventing cuntoo from making meaningful progress, neither of which properly gotten to the bottom of.
1919591;1561246556;mircea_popescu;one somethong to do with trinque 's unhapiness with the cuntoo userbase ; the other something to do with wtf to do re v & portage/ebuilds.
1919592;1561248225;*;lobbes will admit to committing cardinal sin of not fully reading the cuntoo bootstrap scripts before my first run-through (which trinque rightfully whacked me over the head for)
1919593;1561248232;lobbes;however on second run-through I indeed went back to read the scripts in tandem with the gentoo handbook (so as to actually understand what was going on) and produced a bootable genesis that verified >> http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/02/a-bridge-to-cuntoo-for-the-lenovo-x61-x86_64/
1919594;1561272276;mircea_popescu;here's the thing with this reading business : most things are read on the second pass.
1919595;1561272368;mircea_popescu;as i sit here now, there's things around me i've never read. serial numbers on smoke detectors, handling and caring labels on rugs, brand names on plaster and wall insulation facing inside, towards the wall. i am not about to tear the place apart to read all possible strings around me. i might, ~if need be~, of course. but not before.
1919596;1561272471;mircea_popescu;this is exactly cosubstantial with the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919401 inquiry : "reading everything aforehand" as a strategy is just as dysfunctional as any other idealism aka premature optimization. there's a fucking reason republican doctrine is "do it by hand first, automate later, and those parts that actually need it and benefit from it, rather than randomly and abstractly like the pantsuit do".
1919597;1561272471;a111;Logged on 2019-06-22 21:28 trinque: or is this "in six years time we'll have systems that work"
1919598;1561272601;mircea_popescu;because the republic's a practice, not a "narrative" aka daydream. fundamentally, what distinguishes us from the github hipster / foss moron / entire collected pile of avortons looking for their abortion from "the bay area" & portland to [http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-in-argentina-exactly-nothing-to-do-with-the-derps/#selection-197.0-197.39][eudemocracia] and beyond is that we don't read on the first pass, BUT ON THE SEC
1919599;1561272601;mircea_popescu;OND.
1919600;1561272687;mircea_popescu;whereas usg.blue reads not-at-all, never ever no matter what ; and usg.red reads always-aforehand. both of these idiocies, equally idiotic as they find themselves, are therefore always found in some uneasy truce. but you can't properly notate "read on 2nd pass" as "didn't read" or "won't read".
1919601;1561272933;mircea_popescu;and so no, what worries me isn't that http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919296 ; what worries me is htat the last item in http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22trinque.org%22 is from 2018, and that trinque.org doesn't load today like deedbot.org didn't load yest, when i wanted to check the helpfile and ended up loading it from archive.is ;
1919602;1561272933;a111;Logged on 2019-06-22 18:07 trinque: I noticed that not a soul read the scripts that bootstrap cuntoo
1919603;1561273046;mircea_popescu;what worries me is this approach whereby a) things tend to be discussed in response to some kind of prodding, and b) while that feeling lasts, only to c) fall back into an eerie silence within a few hours or maybe days, for WEEKS AND WEEKS AND MONTHS AND YEARS AT A TIME!!!
1919604;1561273095;mircea_popescu;rather than in the normal, and correct manner in which things are discussed, as they are noticed, to get to their bottom, which is then gotten to and marked as such and things move on, with the bottom in question an ever-reliable reference always at the ready for having been correctly found, and always visible just under the skin of things, for having been correctly found.
1919605;1561273158;mircea_popescu;and this paroxistic-avoidant approach worries me universally, phf is stuck in the exact same rut, for instance. i have never in my life seen this approach to things work. not once, not FUCKING ONCE, and this is all the more indicative as it's one of the most commonly deployed broken strategies.
1919606;1561274552;diana_coman;re reading of stuff I guess there is also the difference between one reading and full load-in-the-head; it struck me that people would want others to do more load-in-the-head of what they produce so as to get finer-detail feedback
1919607;1561274644;mircea_popescu;this is always a crapshoot.
1919608;1561274679;mircea_popescu;i mean, i would also like people to do more loading-into-head of whatever their native language is, so i could get better movies, music lyrics and music videos, books, blog articles and everything else.
1919609;1561274690;mircea_popescu;but... what can you do. it's a crapshoot, you know this going in.
1919610;1561274741;mircea_popescu;in any case the "i am of the republic, i will now base my self worth on the qty and amt of loading-in-head my works get" is, as of yet, a recipe for eternal sadness. this is a new rather than old republic.
1919611;1561274757;diana_coman;what I don't understand is why not ask specifically if one would like detailed feedback on some bit/part they struggle with
1919612;1561274838;diana_coman;oh, I don't know if it's re self-worth; rather interpreting the "not fully load-in-head" as "not read"
1919613;1561274839;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, this is like slavegirl saying "i don;'t understand why not ask detailedly for tongue movements and assorted shenanigans". she gets punished if jher bj is subpar because i don't have the fucking patience to micromanage blowjobs. it'd be like writing the book im about to read, if i wrote it what sorta discovery is this!
1919614;1561274937;diana_coman;uhm, there seems to be something out of sync in there; perhaps you are right and the problem is one of wrongly-attached self-worth though I did not see it that way
1919615;1561274951;diana_coman;in which case yes, what specific ask
1919616;1561274984;diana_coman;I rather saw it as "can't do this alone, need help but won't ask because it should come naturally"
1919617;1561275698;mircea_popescu;not sure that's all that different
1919618;1561276476;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: hm; to make it clear what I mean re loading-in-head - arguably if I had fully loaded-in-head the scripts, I should have found http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-10#1901339 myself, right?
1919619;1561276476;a111;Logged on 2019-03-10 21:39 trinque: scripts/make_portage_tree.sh << line 14, I do string-munging on the path that's specific to my own filesystem layout
1919620;1561279080;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, i suppose in a very theoretical, idealized sense. in practice however... what are we to conclude on the basis of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-04#1884426 ? that neither i (nor anyone else here for that matter) had diffraction loaded in head ? the wave model of energy ? what exactly ?
1919621;1561279080;a111;Logged on 2019-01-04 17:18 mircea_popescu: why the fuck didn't i think of that.
1919622;1561279107;mircea_popescu;this pov is even voiced, but always in a chiding tone in training environments. it has its place there, but i dunno how practicable it is in the general.
1919623;1561279136;mircea_popescu;there's this lengthy list of examples of people coming to grief through the process of "that mp so dumb, dun even know how to horseride a shirt" or w/e such.
1919624;1561279277;mircea_popescu;responsibility is a fine and great thing indeed ; but it's not mechanizable, as part and parcel of why we have a wot as it is rather than as the lulzentreprise everyone else imagines it to be.
1919625;1561279784;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, more practically, are we running cuntoo latest or what is the situation there ?
1919626;1561279790;mircea_popescu;did i miss some articles ?
1919627;1561282820;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919220 <-- well, I can't in all good faith sign and publish the item before I understand it well enough to maintain it myself -- for the same money, I could just claim "use the version on shithub" and be done with that. I agree 100% that I should do small regular updates, but in this case breaking the thing into its constituent parts is the challenge, and "hunchentoot arc
1919628;1561282820;a111;Logged on 2019-06-22 13:57 mircea_popescu: the sort of "before publishing, I'm making sure" idiocy is exactly, but i do mean exactly, of the same substance as the fat girl's "this donut has no calories". it uses the exact same parts of the brain in the exact same way.
1919629;1561282826;spyked;hitecture" is actually next blogpost in the works.
1919630;1561282839;mircea_popescu;aite.
1919631;1561282864;mircea_popescu;there's no rule you must publish the signed thing. you can publish 11 drafts before signing, what of it.
1919632;1561282898;mircea_popescu;you also can publish on your own fucking schedule, just don't hang yourself in your own petard.
1919633;1561283086;spyked;but more specifically: the code I've stolen works so far, I have it serving an instance of thetarpit plus a somewhat-working experiment doing dynamic stuff PHP-style. but there's a lotta complexity in the work distribution code that has me going "wtf". perhaps one good task would be to implement a worker-pool thing, similarly to what apache has.
1919634;1561283156;mircea_popescu;how do you work, do you have this codepile loaded up in some sort of management interface ? does it permit adnotation ?
1919635;1561283213;spyked;for the moment all my notes are in a text file that's going to grow into a blogpost as soon as it has a head and a tail
1919636;1561283306;spyked;line-per-line annotation sounds like a neat idea, but I don't have anything like that going
1919637;1561283418;mircea_popescu;well, you know like suppose hutchentoot was http://trilema.com/2013/internet-story/
1919638;1561283482;mircea_popescu;now admire what i can do : http://trilema.com/2013/internet-story/#selection-13.14-37.22 << this part is boring ; http://trilema.com/2013/internet-story/#selection-41.0-57.15 << this part is a quote ; http://trilema.com/2013/internet-story/#selection-61.0-65.37 << this part is about bitcoin ; http://trilema.com/2013/internet-story/#selection-65.37-89.175 << i have no fucking idea wtf this is.
1919639;1561283517;mircea_popescu;can you do this in some manner ? so people can follow your work if they can be arsed to import the same ide / cms ? (here, it's a bit of js, and a browser, that entire stack)
1919640;1561283558;mircea_popescu;and so some other guy can go "that nfi part is just a discussion of so and so, like this" and so on ?
1919641;1561283597;mircea_popescu;because it occurs to me that ~if~ you publish your codebase you're working on, and if your blog works correctly in the mp-wp sense, then therefore you get all this for free, just make a metapost.
1919642;1561283624;mircea_popescu;or alternatively, there's all sorta greatness, phf has a perfectly workable code metadiscussion system on btcbase, jurov had a ver yworkable one for earlier trb work and so fucking on.
1919643;1561283642;spyked;oh I see. I could do something like that, as in http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/08b-feedbot-ii.html#selection-150.0-167.116 . but IMHO the btcbase referencing style makes more sense for code
1919644;1561283655;mircea_popescu;this "here i sit, my eyes intelligent, my expression absent" situation's for the birds.
1919645;1561283694;mircea_popescu;spyked, i have no stylistical qualms, it's just an example of phisiology. use whatever works best, sure.
1919646;1561283730;mircea_popescu;anyway, i shall bbl.
1919647;1561284137;spyked;this makes perfect sense, I'ma do that for my next code-report.
1919648;1561291780;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-23#1919625 - s.mg test is running proto-cuntoo (non-musltronic) so not latest, no; there was this http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-27#1875228 and http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-09#1901069 ; as long as there is the CS dependency still on server, a move to static & musltronic only is also likely to be a lot of work.
1919649;1561291780;a111;Logged on 2019-06-23 08:49 mircea_popescu: diana_coman, more practically, are we running cuntoo latest or what is the situation there ?
1919650;1561291780;a111;Logged on 2018-11-27 18:11 diana_coman: trinque, that looks great; if I understand correctly, the archive there contains the means to a. install cuntoo b. make the genesis of cuntoo/portage that could in principle be used to move an existing gentoo to cuntoo; is this correct?
1919651;1561291780;a111;Logged on 2019-03-09 22:45 trinque: the remainder of work here is resolving this issue (I have not had) with paths, after which we can start producing ebuilds for novel republican work atop the genesis.
1919652;1561291919;diana_coman;so far other parts took priority (smg comms and client) but at least my understanding was that there is work being done further on cuntoo, I had no idea that it was stuck waiting on more intensive use or something
1919653;1561292696;mp_en_viaje;well, that's what i thought as well.
1919654;1561292911;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, but basically, it's running the same thing from 2018 ; and the reason it doesnt move is that a) we couldn't give less of a shit about ebuilds while b) we can't easily change the pile of dependencies to live with musl and so yet haven't.
1919655;1561293155;mp_en_viaje;anyway, seems in the ripe silence of lack of activty all sorta things grew disjointed an' out of sync.
1919656;1561293166;mp_en_viaje;always a nice discovery to make.
1919657;1561293651;diana_coman;quite.
1919658;1561311558;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-23#1919593 << perhaps "not read" was overkill on my part. apologies to lobbes and hanbot
1919659;1561311558;a111;Logged on 2019-06-23 00:03 lobbes: however on second run-through I indeed went back to read the scripts in tandem with the gentoo handbook (so as to actually understand what was going on) and produced a bootable genesis that verified >> http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/02/a-bridge-to-cuntoo-for-the-lenovo-x61-x86_64/
1919660;1561311689;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-23#1919603 << for my part, this directly correlates to irl rope-pushing without which I wouldn't have what on which to type. this is perhaps disqualifying, and I'll leave that for others to say.
1919661;1561311689;a111;Logged on 2019-06-23 06:57 mircea_popescu: what worries me is this approach whereby a) things tend to be discussed in response to some kind of prodding, and b) while that feeling lasts, only to c) fall back into an eerie silence within a few hours or maybe days, for WEEKS AND WEEKS AND MONTHS AND YEARS AT A TIME!!!
1919662;1561311717;mp_en_viaje;it's not disqualifying on its own, but why does it correlate ?
1919663;1561311912;trinque;broadly, because I haven't yet extracted enough of the inflationary fruits of the former into coin.
1919664;1561311956;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-23#1919601 << hosted on the box BingoBoingo swapped IP, will get it updated
1919665;1561311956;a111;Logged on 2019-06-23 06:55 mircea_popescu: and so no, what worries me isn't that http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919296 ; what worries me is htat the last item in http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22trinque.org%22 is from 2018, and that trinque.org doesn't load today like deedbot.org didn't load yest, when i wanted to check the helpfile and ended up loading it from archive.is ;
1919666;1561311988;mp_en_viaje;yes but look, is the idea here that for the past whatever, 4-5 months you have been ~so busy~ that not only you had no time to say things about your work on gentoo, but also somehow ended up isolated into yourself among sadnesses about how nobody reads and such ?
1919667;1561312007;mp_en_viaje;obviously, on some level, there's only so many hours in the day, whether one works or doesn't, still there's a finite time.
1919668;1561312023;mp_en_viaje;but is there absolutely no more to it ?
1919669;1561312608;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-17#1914461 << this wasn't a throwaway comment, nor was it an insult to anybody. lords, or simply strapping dudes looking to score, better be holding coin at the end of the day.
1919670;1561312608;a111;Logged on 2019-05-17 23:17 trinque: republic is scant of profit centers
1919671;1561312651;mp_en_viaje;quite.
1919672;1561312663;trinque;the cumulative work on gentoo was wasted cycles if portage is undesired, as most of the work was around capturing portage in a given state
1919673;1561312685;trinque;that's not anyone's problem but mine, but pointing at it illustrates what I'd like to avoid repeating
1919674;1561312693;mp_en_viaje;trinque, wouldja hang on a minute here ?
1919675;1561312717;mp_en_viaje;the point was to get it in a ~state~. something to start actual decrufting work from. portage itself is mostly a raft for navigating the phenomenology of fosstardation
1919676;1561312728;mp_en_viaje;what it does is, give some measure of anti-friability to the everchange.
1919677;1561312758;mp_en_viaje;neh ?
1919678;1561312762;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919413 << indeed
1919679;1561312762;a111;Logged on 2019-06-22 21:34 trinque: my intent here has been to stablize the workbench and then make a *hard* break with the whole stack
1919680;1561312806;mp_en_viaje;right. so portage might be the pipe that got you your galon of linux. but that is what you wanted -- not the faucet, but the galon.
1919681;1561312835;mp_en_viaje;whole fucking interest for us here is to do ~something~ (not entirely known what exactly yet) so that we... don't fucking need portage ever again.
1919682;1561312843;mp_en_viaje;or any thing like it.
1919683;1561313336;trinque;we agree. I contend that folks are going to have to build e.g. v, gnat, in order to move forward, which is why I'm asking for ebuilds
1919684;1561313359;trinque;it's a call for a proper camp, not a settlement
1919685;1561313670;*;trinque brb
1919686;1561315527;feedbot;http://bvt-trace.net/2019/06/unrolled-assembly-squaring/ << bvt's backtrace -- Unrolled x86_64 Assembly Squaring for Ch. 12 FFA
1919687;1561318513;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-23#1919658 << naw, I took no personal offense. Only pointing out that I understood cuntoo is not a $ubuntu-installer item
1919688;1561318513;a111;Logged on 2019-06-23 17:39 trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-23#1919593 << perhaps "not read" was overkill on my part. apologies to lobbes and hanbot
1919689;1561318741;lobbes;s/cuntoo is/cuntoo bootstrap scripts are/
1919690;1561321890;feedbot;http://pizarroisp.net/2019/06/23/pizarro-isp-june-23rd-update/ << PizarroISP -- Pizarro ISP June 23rd Update
1919691;1561324976;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in peanut gallery, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1913&cpage=1#comment-19810
1919692;1561325181;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919559 << the obv. problem is that in unixtardation land, to build certain proggies requite yet others to be already built.
1919693;1561325181;a111;Logged on 2019-06-22 22:34 mircea_popescu: whereas implicit v-ism would be "all code is made one pile, then built once and linked, and that's it".
1919694;1561325247;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919567 << interestingly, i got his to boot, simply required xor eax, 0x3 where byte addressing used, 1 opcode. (not needed for generic linux built by sane people, but i dun have one yet for mips )
1919695;1561325247;a111;Logged on 2019-06-22 22:46 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919282 << this is such sad nonsense...
1919696;1561325319;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919583 << asciilifeform doesn't publish products that require rubber bands. ( this is a double-edged sword, asciilifeform has large pile of items he does not consider publication-grade, and hasn't the resources to bring up to it, but can live with this )
1919697;1561325319;a111;Logged on 2019-06-22 23:17 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919311 << i think this is running in the wrong direction. just more shit to break / require rubber bads / touching just so and etc.
1919698;1561325378;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919585 << i was thinking from ' mircea_popescu's uci ' angle. ( btw anyone familiar with linked item ?? did it work ? )
1919699;1561325378;a111;Logged on 2019-06-22 23:20 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919322 << [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gluster][one of the corps] red hat bought and buried was arguably getting close.
1919700;1561325414;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-23#1919594 << can't speak for others, but often enuff asciilifeform needs 2-3 log passes to grasp $thread
1919701;1561325414;a111;Logged on 2019-06-23 06:44 mircea_popescu: here's the thing with this reading business : most things are read on the second pass.
1919702;1561325503;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-23#1919631 << iirc i pasted 100+ drafts of various ffa moving parts, before genesised any
1919703;1561325503;a111;Logged on 2019-06-23 09:41 mircea_popescu: there's no rule you must publish the signed thing. you can publish 11 drafts before signing, what of it.
1919704;1561325646;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-23#1919680 << fwiw asciilifeform has not used 'portage' in year+ -- the heathen portage finally 100% broke then. ( 'updated' on the gentooist end, so that no longer agrees to build ~anything~ without 'new profile', and won't install 'new profile' because hard-contravenes asciilifeform's poetteringisms ban list... )
1919705;1561325646;a111;Logged on 2019-06-23 18:00 mp_en_viaje: right. so portage might be the pipe that got you your galon of linux. but that is what you wanted -- not the faucet, but the galon.
1919706;1561325656;asciilifeform;i.e. when building new proggies, have had to do it 100% by hand
1919707;1561326070;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-23#1919686 << pretty interesting. bvt : i'ma work through these when i finish with keccakism components
1919708;1561326070;a111;Logged on 2019-06-23 18:45 feedbot: http://bvt-trace.net/2019/06/unrolled-assembly-squaring/ << bvt's backtrace -- Unrolled x86_64 Assembly Squaring for Ch. 12 FFA
1919709;1561326123;asciilifeform;i admit, expected a little moar speedup from asmism, so pretty curious why < 2.5x as it is
1919710;1561326278;asciilifeform;btw, in re http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-23#1919704 , e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-11#1796255 thrd
1919711;1561326278;a111;Logged on 2019-06-23 21:34 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-23#1919680 << fwiw asciilifeform has not used 'portage' in year+ -- the heathen portage finally 100% broke then. ( 'updated' on the gentooist end, so that no longer agrees to build ~anything~ without 'new profile', and won't install 'new profile' because hard-contravenes asciilifeform's poetteringisms ban list... )
1919712;1561326278;a111;Logged on 2018-04-11 15:29 asciilifeform: speaking of which, apparently AS OF TODAY gentoo portage latest ver DEMANDS gpg2.
1919713;1561327067;bvt;asciilifeform: perhaps i could get a bit better performance after scrutinizing multiplication code a bit; however i don't think it'll get much faster with current code structure
1919714;1561327145;bvt;now, sse could theoretically help, but there is a question of whether sse operations are constant time (in each generation of intel cpus)
1919715;1561328268;asciilifeform;bvt: which see ops ?
1919716;1561328287;asciilifeform;at one pt i also thought this, and looked , and found 0 that seemed applicable
1919717;1561328306;asciilifeform;( in fact iirc it was bvt who said 'have you looked, there's none' and i did, and found none )
1919718;1561328317;asciilifeform;!!up mp_en_viaje
1919719;1561328318;deedbot;mp_en_viaje voiced for 30 minutes.
1919720;1561328419;asciilifeform;intel & amd enthusiastically put in 9000 worthless piece o'shit instructions, but how about a 256-bit multiplier ? nope. evidently Only A Terrorist (tm)(r) would ever ask for such thing.
1919721;1561328450;mp_en_viaje;1sec
1919722;1561328592;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-23#1919691 << ninjashoguns come in many aspects...
1919723;1561328592;a111;Logged on 2019-06-23 21:22 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in peanut gallery, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1913&cpage=1#comment-19810
1919724;1561328601;asciilifeform;adlais, to be exact
1919725;1561328611;asciilifeform;'i only nao saw this, but Here Is How To Fix!!!'
1919726;1561328674;asciilifeform;it's expected in a small boy, but how grown man gets stuck in that mode, i do not know -- must be sumthing physiological, cns equiv of dwarfism
1919727;1561328750;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-23#1919706 << for one reason or another, it's what ~always happens. INCLUDING in "works by itself" ubuntu, as i think i've recently documented beyond all fucking possible degree of intolerable tedium.
1919728;1561328750;a111;Logged on 2019-06-23 21:34 asciilifeform: i.e. when building new proggies, have had to do it 100% by hand
1919729;1561328776;mp_en_viaje;or so i thought at the time ; but maybe the forum really wanted to hear more about how literally nothing can be fucking compiled without rewriting some parts, etc
1919730;1561328847;asciilifeform;2y ago asciilifeform had roughly same experience with an expensive and supposedly very spiffy chinese usb oscilloscope. purportedly 'worx under linux', but then went and bought an' tried...
1919731;1561328855;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-20#1918982 << latest installment
1919732;1561328855;a111;Logged on 2019-06-20 13:13 mircea_popescu: well so let's see here : i can't play, because after sinking however many hours in chasing dependencies and fixing assorted if widely distributed breakage the end story is that "foss" has managed to really give the whole game away -- there is ONE chain, consisting of play on linux so-and-so using wine-so-and-so on ubuntu this-and-that, and you pray it works -- because if it doesn't work, THAT IS IT, "there was an error" li
1919733;1561328867;asciilifeform;( spoiler: also demanded 'wine', and with in the end same result as mp's 3d card )
1919734;1561328868;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, i recall this.
1919735;1561328916;mp_en_viaje;and i STILL know as close as anything can be known as a matter of fact that the code's fundamentally fine, and some wrapper intermediary is spuriously fucking it up.
1919736;1561328922;mp_en_viaje;for maximal enjoyment of this life.
1919737;1561328974;asciilifeform;fundamental culprit is idjit 1970s os where no meaningful debug (or even localization of eggog) is possible, at least w/out year+ of sweat (that who has resource for?)
1919738;1561329064;asciilifeform;one time asciilifeform had a paid contract to make a (early 2000s) wireless nic (w/ various oddball features for physics experiment) behave under opensores. took entire summer.
1919739;1561329070;asciilifeform;another time, robot. took year+.
1919740;1561329080;asciilifeform;(of all day, erry day, grind)
1919741;1561329111;asciilifeform;could be , asciilifeform's hands grow from arse, and someone else can do 2x faster ? who knows
1919742;1561329177;asciilifeform;in each case, ought to be said, required 100% demolition of 100% of the 'purportedly worx!!' liquishits
1919743;1561329509;mp_en_viaje;currently i suspect something's ni-ing out a shader's pointer. but anyway
1919744;1561329548;asciilifeform;rright but who's gonna attempt debug of 50MB closed turd.
1919745;1561329556;mp_en_viaje;not i.
1919746;1561329591;*;asciilifeform [patched once a 300kB closed turd][http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1667], it took coupla months
1919747;1561329599;asciilifeform;err,
1919748;1561329607;*;asciilifeform [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1667][patched once a 300kB closed turd], it took coupla months
1919749;1561329618;mp_en_viaje;keks
1919750;1561329641;asciilifeform;aaand that was an item where i found jtag test points that could be soldered & operated
1919751;1561329645;asciilifeform;i.e. single-steppable
1919752;1561329847;asciilifeform;illustrative case where ~not~ found : 'cr50'
1919753;1561329971;asciilifeform;[http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-04#1552690][another illustrative case, amd 2015 g-series, where debug contacts disabled w/out magic key]
1919754;1561329971;a111;Logged on 2016-10-04 15:36 asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, PANZERS! pc engines 'apu2' (the board with the intel nics - vs. 'apu1', with realtek) , turns out, is crippled, hdt probe barfs with it, the cpu is reputed to have a drm fuse set.
1919755;1561330150;*;asciilifeform brb:meat
1919756;1561330715;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/baby-doll/ << Trilema -- Baby Doll
1919757;1561332337;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/06/week-in-review-irans-come-at-me-bro-posture-exposing-usg-empires-impotence/ << Qntra -- Week In Review: Iran's "Come At Me Bro" Posture Exposing USG Empire's Impotence
1919758;1561339290;mod6;trinque: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/4YG2X/?raw=true  << Here is my **experimental only** ebuild, 'ave1_musltronic_tools_x86_64-20180924.ebuild'.  I've been placing this file, while testing in a directory ' /var/db/repos/mod6/app-tmsr/ave1_musltronic_tools_x86_64'.
1919759;1561339340;mod6;To make this work properly, I built all of the ave1 musltronic tools on a gentoo instance with a 2016 AdaCore GNAT, then bundled up all of the binaries myself, and placed 'em on mod6.net for testing purposes.
1919760;1561339514;mod6;With everything in the right place... (I even needed a '/var/db/repos/mod6/metadata' directory with one file in it, 'layout.conf', that contains one single line: masters = cuntoo) then I was able to run a `ebuild ave1_musltronic_tools_x86_64-20180924.ebuild clean manifest install merge` and end up with the extracted contents in '/ave1_musltronic_tools_x86_64-20180924'.
1919761;1561339568;mod6;Anyway, I'm only just getting started with these.  If there are glaring mistakes or feedback otherwise, please write in.
1919762;1561340634;trinque;fuck yes mod6 !
1919763;1561340670;trinque;I will soon give this a try.
1919764;1561340829;trinque;hm, in reading it, it looks like this pulls a mysterymeat tarball from your server and unpacks it, but doesn't build anything
1919765;1561340853;trinque;the idea here would be to rebuild it from source, not just use the bins you built
1919766;1561340985;trinque;ah maybe it's all covered by ebuild defaults, I'm perhaps mistaken
1919767;1561341151;trinque;another thought, might make sense to call this sys-devel/gcc-9999, so one might perma-satisfy w/e caltrops demand gcc of a particular (and always higher) version
1919768;1561342511;mod6;hey, sorry for the delay.
1919769;1561342584;mod6;so I never was able to build the ave1 musltronic tools on cuntoo, because no working gnat, I just bundled them up after I built them on a gentoo machine that had a working AdaCore 2016.
1919770;1561342615;mod6;If the thinking is that it ~can~ be built on cuntoo, I'd much prefer an ebuild that would do that dance indeed.
1919771;1561342882;trinque;yep, gcc can be built on a musl system
1919772;1561343082;mod6;alright, I'll have to go back and try to get this to build on here.
1919773;1561343086;trinque;there are likely challenges around getting a gnat on there with which to build itself.
1919774;1561343132;mod6;yeah, i think this was the issue.
1919775;1561343535;mod6;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/IY76z/?raw=true << this is what I end up with, fwiw.
1919776;1561344139;mod6;For completeness, this is what happens when you try to install AdaCore 2016 (binaries) on Cuntoo (keep in mind that the install actually does place the binaries in the expected places...): http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/vX16f/?raw=true
1919777;1561344159;trinque;mod6: this is expected; they're linked with glibc
1919778;1561344186;trinque;oddly the OS reports a missing libc as "file not found" when executing the bin that wants it
1919779;1561344213;trinque;actually makes sense, I guess it means the libc wasn't found, but it's unclear when it happens
1919780;1561344217;mod6;Anyway, if I could work around this issue, then I can make an ebuild that'll build ave1s stuff with this.
1919781;1561344451;trinque;mod6: https://www.openwall.com/lists/musl/2017/11/05/4 << possible line of inquiry
1919782;1561344458;*;mod6 looks
1919783;1561345332;mod6;hmm.
1919784;1561348556;ave1;trinque,  doesn't cuntoo with default gcc also build it with some mystery meat? it probably starts out on a host with gcc?
1919785;1561348619;ave1;btw I've *not* used the ada core version as a starting point for about a year now
1919786;1561366089;danielpbarron;!Q later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/QcDk9/?raw=true
1919787;1561366089;lobbesbot;danielpbarron: The operation succeeded.
1919788;1561378843;mp_en_viaje;hello from europe's worst shithole -- norway.
1919789;1561378864;mp_en_viaje;i don't know that i can explain what an utter piece of shit oslo is.
1919790;1561379226;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-24#1919763 << so what, a  new era of redistributing binaries dawns ?
1919791;1561379226;a111;Logged on 2019-06-24 01:44 trinque: I will soon give this a try.
1919792;1561379938;diana_coman;mp_en_viaje: lolz, what does Norway/Oslo offer so much worse than all the rest?
1919793;1561379953;diana_coman;at least it seems to have working internet unlike cluj...
1919794;1561380980;mp_en_viaje;it's pretty much exactly argentina.
1919795;1561380997;mp_en_viaje;imagine this : i get out of the airport, and there is a queue, i kid you not 1k+ people long
1919796;1561381003;mp_en_viaje;THEY ARE WAITING FOR CABS
1919797;1561381016;mp_en_viaje;fucktarded morons will queue for a cab.
1919798;1561381414;mp_en_viaje;the exchange offices are out and out scams, trading insane nonsense like 9.2 (while advertising 9.4) to buy and 10.5 to sell (their shitty local coin is about 9.6 irl)
1919799;1561381431;mp_en_viaje;imagine the insane cheek required to even print this spread
1919800;1561381481;diana_coman;some will queue for anything; and anyways, not sure if "piling for cabs" is much better otherwise (e.g. Rome) though indeed I can't quite see why would there be such a lack of cabs in Oslo
1919801;1561381517;diana_coman;ahaha, are those exchange offices in town ?
1919802;1561381527;diana_coman;i.e. not at airport I gather
1919803;1561381604;diana_coman;I have to admit I have a hard time doing argentina ~= norway mainly because of the whole south/north thing; that being said, from socialist pov sure, can very well be indeed.
1919804;1561381814;mp_en_viaje;yes, in town
1919805;1561381819;diana_coman;nuts
1919806;1561381828;mp_en_viaje;and mind you, they make like e150 to take you the 30km from airport to oslo
1919807;1561381858;mp_en_viaje;but yes, they're exactly the same thing : hanger ons, marginal shitholes where people wanna be polite and everyone to be equal
1919808;1561381863;mp_en_viaje;result ? FUCKING SAME
1919809;1561381871;mp_en_viaje;i hope the arabs drive them into the sea.
1919810;1561382601;diana_coman;meanwhile I'm trying to disentangle here the cs/ps mess and I'm scratching my head at various bits: the CS engine works everywhere with names (strings) as ids (i.e. there are FindX functions only with string param, not with some numeric id despite the fact that internally it DOES HAVE them ffs) BUT then in some places it keeps various hashmaps with numeric ids for "common strings"
1919811;1561382654;diana_coman;I suspect it's still xml-effect because "oh noez, needs name of object in xml not id"
1919812;1561386985;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: you may be interested to know that my shell to dulap bumped after 132d. ( for no detectable reason, either on this end or the other )
1919813;1561387053;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i can't resist to ask, why went to oslo ? what's there, other than tomb of naggum ? ( i dun even know where it is, cannot help to either piss on it or to put flower )
1919814;1561387103;asciilifeform;afaik it was 'europe's worst shithole' even in 19th c. competed with bucharest.
1919815;1561387279;asciilifeform;meanwhile in heathendom, 'Canonical's decision to cease development of 32-bit libraries in Ubuntu 19.10 "eoan" means it won't support Steam gaming runtime and devs say the Wine compatibility layer for running Windows apps will be little use.'
1919816;1561388445;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-24#1919790 << I caught it a few bars later.
1919817;1561388445;a111;Logged on 2019-06-24 12:27 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-24#1919763 << so what, a  new era of redistributing binaries dawns ?
1919818;1561390055;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, i dunno... it was there
1919819;1561390084;mp_en_viaje;trinque, word
1919820;1561390741;mp_en_viaje;and, obviously, https://i2.wp.com/norwaytoday.info/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/tb5e0db0.jpg?resize=777%2C437&ssl=1
1919821;1561392230;asciilifeform;ugh they have their own merkel?!
1919822;1561392339;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-24#1919790 << old era. afaik no one yet knows even a theoretical cure for ye olde 'to build gnat, 1st find a working gnat' headache
1919823;1561392339;a111;Logged on 2019-06-24 12:27 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-24#1919763 << so what, a  new era of redistributing binaries dawns ?
1919824;1561393984;asciilifeform;thinking about it, i still dunget why there are ~2~ binaryturd gcc's in the mix.
1919825;1561393992;asciilifeform;( 1 cuntoo's, 1 ave1's )
1919826;1561394648;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: ty for the heads up
1919827;1561395063;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile in local happenings https://www.subrayado.com.uy/escapo-carcel-central-rocco-morabito-exjefe-la-mafia-calabresa-n537098
1919828;1561396939;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-23#1919694 << prolly i oughta elaborate. in case wasn't clear, i've a ~12kB x64 proggy that boots a mostly-stock linux 3.x kernel, with uart as only device. which means that applications like [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-04#1916965][this] are theoretically possible, when i get back to this subj.
1919829;1561396939;a111;Logged on 2019-06-23 21:27 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919567 << interestingly, i got his to boot, simply required xor eax, 0x3 where byte addressing used, 1 opcode. (not needed for generic linux built by sane people, but i dun have one yet for mips )
1919830;1561396939;a111;Logged on 2019-06-04 00:51 asciilifeform: incidentally, i generate these by machine, and it takes about 3sec per. would have put it as a [http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1730023][net-connected hopper thing] aeons ago, BUT it of course uses a heathen render (there are no 'demonstrably electrically correct' pdf eaters, and i dun expect one to exist) and suffers from [https://archive.is/f9hNX][the obvious problem]
1919831;1561396990;asciilifeform;and incidentally, ones like [http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740633][this] also
1919832;1561396990;a111;Logged on 2017-11-19 05:19 lobbes: Currently going down the headless-browser path ben_vulpes suggested. Looking into phantomjs atm, which seems like it could do the job. I have an old craptop I'm thinking of using as the proverbial 'public toilet' to house it on. (This is the same craptop I was planning to put a trb node on. I put a spanking-new ssd in there but then realized that the ethernet dun work anymore; wifi only. May be a good use for the thing to just be a turd server in
1919833;1561397121;asciilifeform;aaand pretty much 90% of mircea_popescu's 'uci' ( i.e. you can plant this wherever, and get artificial 'box' w/ specified os & proggies... )
1919834;1561397155;asciilifeform;( the remaining 10%, is, of course, the fast rsatron !! )
1919835;1561397239;asciilifeform;it'll defo need review by literate folx before deployment to such things as piz, tho.
1919836;1561397283;asciilifeform;( possibly after ffa, we do a 'mips in 1 instruction a day' likbez series...? )
1919837;1561397430;asciilifeform;( ftr there is not yet any support for 'artificial disks'. but the mmap'd ram image can be made persistent by setting the 'write' flag, and when running from ramdisk you get in effect actual disk. this imho suffices for some applications. )
1919838;1561397496;asciilifeform;item is nao in a condition where i can safely unload it from head & return to wrapping up ch20.
1919839;1561397578;asciilifeform;funnily enuff, i think that 12kB actually weighs less than the human-readable text i've shat into the log re subj !
1919840;1561397768;asciilifeform;roughly 30 x86 instrs are executed for erry mips instr.
1919841;1561397841;asciilifeform;( interestingly, this does ~not~ work out to a 'runs at effectively 1/30th the native clock', on acct of [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-05#1917349][this] effect. but i won't spoil this yet.)
1919842;1561397841;a111;Logged on 2019-06-05 16:47 asciilifeform: cuz yer 'amd f' spends 95% of its cycles waiting for ram.
1919843;1561402379;bvt;asciilifeform: myeah, i was too fast with sse -- simdifying such loops would be ~impossible.
1919844;1561402436;asciilifeform;bvt: afaik sse offers only the very same 64x64bit multiplier as ordinary x64.
1919845;1561402477;asciilifeform;( nor does it appear to give a 128bit shift/add even )
1919846;1561402490;asciilifeform;so, entirely useless for the given problem, near as i can see
1919847;1561402751;bvt;i agree. i played a bit with the code, arrived at slightly cleaner (and sub-1% faster) code for multiplication, seems that the performance is close to the hw limit (at least at 32 Indices Comba-Karatsuba threshold)
1919848;1561402918;bvt;re ~2.5x speedup: for 8-indeces-threshold asm comba makes up only ~25% of runtime, rest is spent in karatsuba squaring
1919849;1561402921;asciilifeform;bvt: it isn't actually a given that comba is even needed at all, with asmistic 64x64 mul
1919850;1561403110;bvt;you mean, can use just karatsuba?
1919851;1561404907;asciilifeform;aha
1919852;1561406677;asciilifeform;bvt: what i meant is, the optimal asmistic base case is not necessarily comba. could be 'micro' karatsuba, or even straight schoolbook mul. for so long as asm.
1919853;1561406715;asciilifeform;( ideally -- would be a 256bit iron mul. but it dun seem to exist on any known irons today. )
1919854;1561407225;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-24#1919784 << wb ave1 .
1919855;1561407225;a111;Logged on 2019-06-24 03:55 ave1: trinque,  doesn't cuntoo with default gcc also build it with some mystery meat? it probably starts out on a host with gcc?
1919856;1561407243;asciilifeform;ave1: what have you been up to ?
1919857;1561407334;bvt;in case only asm is used, plain comba may be fast enough as well
1919858;1561407376;asciilifeform;for the base case -- entirely possib
1919859;1561411106;mp_en_viaje;would be kinda interesting if comba ends up snipped.
1919860;1561411123;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i 99% expect it ~will~ get snipped from the asm branch.
1919861;1561411138;mp_en_viaje;we snip everything (tm)
1919862;1561411265;asciilifeform;( properly speaking, comba aint even a mult algo in the usual mathematical sense, but merely a 'sideways' restatement of the traditional schoolboy O(n^2) mult algo to behave smoother on pc and other irons where cache is in play )
1919863;1561411309;*;mp_en_viaje to bed
1919864;1561411323;mp_en_viaje;where oh where does he pop up from tomorrow ?! noooobody knows....
1919865;1561411327;asciilifeform;in the flagship branch, it comes into play as [http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch10_karatsuba.kv#L422][base case when 8 or fewer words in multiplicand]
1919866;1561411331;asciilifeform;nighty night mp_en_viaje
1919867;1561415646;BingoBoingo;So with the Party Internal elections coming up Sunday, guess what totally not a campaign event the local Unions are holding tomorrow... A Work Stoppage!
1919868;1561415702;BingoBoingo;Or as PIT-CNT is calling it "paro general de 24 horas"
1919869;1561416175;BingoBoingo;Note the "paro general de 24 horas" is scheduled to cover a full day's hangover after today's Uruguay-Chile futbol appointment
1919870;1561417440;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/06/rubio-files-amendment-to-end-us-patent-recourse-for-firms-on-usg-badlists/ << Qntra -- Rubio Files Amendment To End US Patent Recourse For Firms On USG Badlists
1919871;1561418490;trinque;epic, literally going to fasttrack "IP theft" ~from~ the chinese. Huehue Corp must have good shit.
1919872;1561418500;trinque;this is good for the death of IP
1919873;1561420921;asciilifeform;trinque: i used not long ago a recent huawei lappy. same irons as top-of-line crapple, 1/3 the cost, and 10x less fan whine.
1919874;1561420931;asciilifeform;( even tho still built w/ same intel cpu )
1919875;1561423229;BingoBoingo;81 minutes into the game, Uruguay scored. Notification came via increase in ambient noise.
1919876;1561423441;BingoBoingo;<trinque> epic, literally going to fasttrack "IP theft" ~from~ the chinese. Huehue Corp must have good shit. << Also have to look at the China-US-Iran dance. We are looking at the end of US lists mattering outside the wire.
1919877;1561427398;BingoBoingo;In the ongoing prison break drama, apparently there is a special extraditee escape route https://archive.is/kpsJU
1919878;1561443432;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-24#1919871 << check it out, empire decides "by itself" to implement republican wot-only IP claims system, [http://trilema.com/2011/the-new-york-times-urmeaza-exemplul-trilema/][coincidentally] omits any mention as to where it learned it.
1919879;1561443432;a111;Logged on 2019-06-24 23:21 trinque: epic, literally going to fasttrack "IP theft" ~from~ the chinese. Huehue Corp must have good shit.
1919880;1561443476;mp_en_viaje;the fact that the monkeys are monkeying about ~~~INTELECTUAL PROPERTY~~~ only adds to the unintentional comedy.
1919881;1561443549;diana_coman;in snake-pit "surprises" since I still have a github account, I just received a notification that a "first-party GitHub" application was recently authorized to access your account; I suppose it's nice of them to notify.
1919882;1561443632;mp_en_viaje;maybe just there to make sure & be proactive re any [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-16#1914201][unseemly] account updates you might make.
1919883;1561443632;a111;Logged on 2019-05-16 21:39 nicoleci: mp_en_viaje, it shows that people from linkedin viewed my profile and like asciilifeform said, why just delete the company instead of the whole profile
1919884;1561443861;ave1;asciilifeform, past week I was trying to get sjlj to build (also for aarch64)
1919885;1561443918;ave1;going is slow, last try resulted in a crash with a text to contact adacore
1919886;1561443947;diana_coman;ave1: I remember I got something like that, should be in the logs.
1919887;1561444011;ave1;diana_coman, Thanks, I will look for it (I had problems like these before with other steps last year)
1919888;1561444166;ave1;Development always seems to go backward while I am doing this, until suddenly I see where the problem is.
1919889;1561444227;diana_coman;ave1: found it but I think it was just precisely how we realised that it's broken on arm http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-15#1897027
1919890;1561444227;a111;Logged on 2019-02-15 17:45 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-15#1896926 -> this failed precisely in the same way; need to get to the bottom of it really because Adacore's gnat otherwise IS compiled with sjlj so wtf
1919891;1561444329;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-25#1919888 -> this is usually precisely my experience too when sorting out some mess.
1919892;1561444329;a111;Logged on 2019-06-25 06:29 ave1: Development always seems to go backward while I am doing this, until suddenly I see where the problem is.
1919893;1561444403;ave1;Yes, and gcc has lots of these problems
1919894;1561444465;diana_coman;ave1: anyway, that thread above does have some pointers to what/how we found re sjlj on arm so maybe worth looking at it anyway
1919895;1561444497;ave1;Thank you !
1919896;1561444549;diana_coman;yw
1919897;1561444557;ave1;As for work, I'm doing more management
1919898;1561444565;ave1;and interviewing people
1919899;1561444603;diana_coman;huh, any actual people that might even get to register a key , hang out in your castle and help you with some work? :D
1919900;1561444625;ave1;And developing a hate for people that call themselfs software engineers
1919901;1561444647;ave1;Well no, so far 0 good
1919902;1561444666;ave1;Especially the ¨senior¨
1919903;1561444746;ave1;On most resumes, they write experience with ¨AI¨, which consists of 1 course
1919904;1561444766;diana_coman;and if it's 2 they are senior?
1919905;1561444793;ave1;lol, the course is also from some webshit so not even
1919906;1561444799;diana_coman;but ofc, they write what they think HR wants to read, what
1919907;1561444830;diana_coman;trilema.com has this whole category "3 years of experience"
1919908;1561444855;ave1;I have no idea, they seem to not even have read a book
1919909;1561444899;ave1;Yes basically, Junior is 0/2 years, Senior is anyone above 5 or so
1919910;1561444943;diana_coman;I must say that I got totally fed up precisely with "software engineering" some 10 years ago and I doubt it got anything other than worse meanwhile so no surprise there
1919911;1561445004;diana_coman;probably I should even feel old, huh.
1919912;1561445111;ave1;I work in an (not software) engineering company, the difference in professionality between software and  everything else is large
1919913;1561445257;ave1;And they look up to software
1919914;1561445436;diana_coman;myeah, sadly I have seen that before over and over again
1919915;1561446827;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-25#1919900 << gee, you're like the only one /saracsm
1919916;1561446827;a111;Logged on 2019-06-25 06:37 ave1: And developing a hate for people that call themselfs software engineers
1919917;1561451727;mp_en_viaje;anyone remember which trilema i delved into a discussion of the separation of pay / benefit and how it drives up costs ?
1919918;1561451730;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, ?
1919919;1561453571;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/oslo-that-unredeemably-sad-shithole/ << Trilema -- Oslo, that unredeemably sad shithole
1919920;1561467588;mp_en_viaje;hola!
1919921;1561468070;diana_coman;went to Spain?
1919922;1561468122;mp_en_viaje;lol. nah, still oslo airport, getting the fuck iut of this shithole.
1919923;1561468154;diana_coman;that picture of the airport cab-queue is quite something
1919924;1561468328;mp_en_viaje;can you believe that shit ?
1919925;1561468348;mp_en_viaje;not in the depths of 1987 winter were there such queues for oil/sugar/whatever
1919926;1561468488;diana_coman;that's pretty much what it instantly made me think of: those bread-queues running around 3 blocks of flats up and down the whole neighbourhood; except I was miserable then even playing while waiting in the queue and I doubt any of those in there was NOT miserable
1919927;1561468510;diana_coman;by contrast, airport-people seem quite happy to be there, no idea how
1919928;1561468519;mp_en_viaje;http://archive.is/0bdxh#selection-227.514-227.602 << item. and btw, nobody (as in, the various eaterias) in airport has wifi, because "the airport has wifi". which it does -- i think the whole thing runs off a dial-up modem, i'm getting 5kb/s over here. so much for "internet weks".
1919929;1561468525;diana_coman;"finally a queue so someone is in charge!!" ?
1919930;1561468571;mp_en_viaje;all these  faggotty fuckfaces in skinny suits, no doubt "software engineers with ai experience" spreading their awareness & concern on subjects and topics on reddit & shithut
1919931;1561468672;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, incidentally, that was EARLY. it got way the fuck worse later, so much worse in fact the thing kept spinning on itself. this very placid police officer was patrolling the place, discovered he can't pass... just ... no problem, turned back.
1919932;1561468680;diana_coman;ahahaha "sewaie" might be the term, could work
1919933;1561468682;mp_en_viaje;god help them if there's a fire, they'll die like indians.
1919934;1561468700;mp_en_viaje;behaie, sewaie, tat un drac.
1919935;1561468717;diana_coman;o dracie, o h'ala h'aia
1919936;1561468850;mp_en_viaje;incidentally, the food in sweden is TERRIBLE,
1919937;1561468872;mp_en_viaje;i dunno there exists a place this bad in the world. previously england was my mark of "worst food in the world" ; but london's nothing like oslo.
1919938;1561468899;mp_en_viaje;in london's just a case of "if you don't specifically seek the good stuff, you'll get crap", like in the us midwest
1919939;1561468926;mp_en_viaje;in oslo there is no good stuff to seek. none. whole fucking country lives off moldy biscuits, the 1987 romania comparisons are very well supported when it comes to diet.
1919940;1561468946;mp_en_viaje;s/sweden/norway.
1919941;1561468950;diana_coman;well, for one thing london benefits from having all sorts of non-english food so it's not that hard to eat good food; for the other, up there in the north there seems to be precious little edible
1919942;1561468963;mp_en_viaje;half the people here / 100% of the people doing anything are muslim / black.
1919943;1561468978;mp_en_viaje;however, the problem is one of raw materials, i suspect. because even their ethnic places suck balls.
1919944;1561469110;diana_coman;fish, reindeer/moose and maybe mushrooms at times or what else (this was my Finland experience)
1919945;1561469181;mp_en_viaje;there's no fucking rule you can't fly in fresh italian bread ffs. my grocery shop in cr does precisely that.
1919946;1561469204;mp_en_viaje;and i don't fucking buy it, either, because wtf, the harem bakes. but it's ~good~.
1919947;1561469223;mp_en_viaje;these cuntheads are supposedly so fucking rich, they're eating worse than half of punjab
1919948;1561469233;*;diana_coman bought precisely italian and/or french bread from the shop in cr so can attest - it was fine.
1919949;1561469250;mp_en_viaje;"oh, a good diet's just not that important to us" "o yeah ? then what the fuck is important to you ?" "multiculturalism!"
1919950;1561469282;diana_coman;food is a matter of habit too, though; that story with the burnt-food-best-food, what.
1919951;1561469284;mp_en_viaje;diana_coman, you know... italy is 5 hours away, as compared to 12.
1919952;1561469308;mp_en_viaje;yep, that's exactly how fucktarded romanians survive in communism : since they never saw anything else anyway... bere ciuc.
1919953;1561469370;diana_coman;I was quite surprised at that thing - wtf fly bread from italy all the way to cr; I mean: why wouldn't they be able to bake it on the spot and even better at that? it must be easier to fly the grains/flour if anything but other than that ffs it's just flour and water; can even fly water if needed
1919954;1561469402;mp_en_viaje;nah, they don't klnow how to do it.
1919955;1561469410;diana_coman;so fly a cook too!
1919956;1561469416;mp_en_viaje;cook won't come lol. but yes.
1919957;1561469428;mp_en_viaje;anyway, wrong molds in cr. it's not possible to get sourdough going, for instance.
1919958;1561469435;mp_en_viaje;this matters, a lot. also can't age cheese there.
1919959;1561469452;diana_coman;huh, I had no idea ; I assumed you could get the yeast, hm.
1919960;1561469478;diana_coman;sucks
1919961;1561469500;mp_en_viaje;nah, it's complicated, has to do with the  atmosphere. besides, air transport's ~free, what the fuck do you care, a grosse baguettes weigh twenny lbs, costs a buck
1919962;1561469501;diana_coman;can't age cheese, can't make wild yeast, wtf
1919963;1561469516;mp_en_viaje;yes well. tropical forest & biodiversidad. can prolly find a spider to fuck, if patient.
1919964;1561469558;diana_coman;and a poisonous frog, lol
1919965;1561469566;mp_en_viaje;(for the modern reader : grosse - twelve dozen items, 144pcs)
1919966;1561469804;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-25#1919922 << o yeah, forgot to mention -- spent an hour today at polcie station filling in complaint!
1919967;1561469804;a111;Logged on 2019-06-25 13:08 mp_en_viaje: lol. nah, still oslo airport, getting the fuck iut of this shithole.
1919968;1561469935;diana_coman;at least there was no queue there - at filling in complaints :D
1919969;1561470130;mp_en_viaje;yeah, very mild. they don't do the whole preceinct system seen in civilised / urban places. instead the thing ("policehouse") covers... the whole of oslo police district
1919970;1561470166;mp_en_viaje;it's a large building, with the jail together and everything. but unlike say chicago or w/e, you go therre you don't see the line of cute girlies sobbing quietly seated by the wall ; nor the buncha doods holding their guts
1919971;1561470201;mp_en_viaje;i was the only one actually looking to dress a criminal complaint, everyone else mostly doing bureaucratica, picking up OFFICIAL PAPERS, some dood checking if his driving license is good...
1919972;1561470230;mp_en_viaje;evidently enough most of their fare's not actually of a police nature, judging by how i passed two filters in five minutes.
1919973;1561470253;diana_coman;more local admin by the sounds of it
1919974;1561470283;mp_en_viaje;just about yeah. they have a very... well, social view of police. exactly as dorel visan's character says, "suna lumea la politie ca la un prieten". it
1919975;1561470293;mp_en_viaje;s basically substitute big brother for most residents.
1919976;1561471308;mp_en_viaje;aaanyways, bbl!
1919977;1561474295;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-25#1919913 << sorta like the folx who 'looked up to' doctors in 18th c.
1919978;1561474295;a111;Logged on 2019-06-25 06:47 ave1: And they look up to software
1919979;1561474498;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-25#1919957 << still seems like oughta be cheaper to fly in the mold, than whole thing ?
1919980;1561474498;a111;Logged on 2019-06-25 13:30 mp_en_viaje: anyway, wrong molds in cr. it's not possible to get sourdough going, for instance.
1919981;1561474565;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-25#1919971 << sounds like ye olde sovok lives there, in full bloom
1919982;1561474565;a111;Logged on 2019-06-25 13:43 mp_en_viaje: i was the only one actually looking to dress a criminal complaint, everyone else mostly doing bureaucratica, picking up OFFICIAL PAPERS, some dood checking if his driving license is good...
1919983;1561474613;*;asciilifeform wonders if they have 'прописка' in norway. i.e. where must Officially register place of residence with polizei erry time changing flats
1919984;1561474772;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-25#1919884 << a working gnat for 'mipsel' would also be pretty great. ( i tried at one pt, coupla yrs ago, for 'pic32mx' processor, got stuck on some barf )
1919985;1561474772;a111;Logged on 2019-06-25 06:24 ave1: asciilifeform, past week I was trying to get sjlj to build (also for aarch64)
1919986;1561474853;asciilifeform;will need one, not only for [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-24#1919835][piz mips cluster], but for eventual hardwarization of peh
1919987;1561474853;a111;Logged on 2019-06-24 17:27 asciilifeform: it'll defo need review by literate folx before deployment to such things as piz, tho.
1919988;1561474905;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-25#1919971 << lol, can't resist to ask, didja file complaint against whole city, for being fulla criminally insane lolcows ?
1919989;1561474905;a111;Logged on 2019-06-25 13:43 mp_en_viaje: i was the only one actually looking to dress a criminal complaint, everyone else mostly doing bureaucratica, picking up OFFICIAL PAPERS, some dood checking if his driving license is good...
1919990;1561474941;asciilifeform;not even in saddest airport in usa do folx ~queue for cabs~
1919991;1561474973;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-25#1919928 << found very similar, actually, in panama
1919992;1561474973;a111;Logged on 2019-06-25 13:15 mp_en_viaje: http://archive.is/0bdxh#selection-227.514-227.602 << item. and btw, nobody (as in, the various eaterias) in airport has wifi, because "the airport has wifi". which it does -- i think the whole thing runs off a dial-up modem, i'm getting 5kb/s over here. so much for "internet weks".
1919993;1561475013;asciilifeform;( ~all flights to BingoBoingostan from usa, go through panama, typically with coupla hrs of sitting )
1919994;1561475101;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-25#1919917 << >> http://trilema.com/2018/the-principal-agent-problem-or-how-america-went-away/#selection-251.0-261.55 .
1919995;1561475101;a111;Logged on 2019-06-25 08:35 mp_en_viaje: anyone remember which trilema i delved into a discussion of the separation of pay / benefit and how it drives up costs ?
1919996;1561478505;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: Would the piece in question happen to be this one? http://trilema.com/2013/the-stock-warrant-instrument-explained/
1919997;1561478566;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: There's other ways to BingoBoingostan from USA, but the rest of the options are strictly inferior
1919998;1561478688;asciilifeform;well, inferior, or out of budget ( uboat! )
1919999;1561480017;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: There is a direct Miami to Montevideo flight
1920000;1561480029;*;asciilifeform believes
1920001;1561480033;BingoBoingo;This is LATAM after all
1920002;1561481961;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/06/monitors-report-in-quadracx-bankruptcy-reveals-a-clusterfuck/ << Qntra -- Monitor's Report In QuadraCX Bankruptcy Reveals A Clusterfuck
1920003;1561482073;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile in local news, the local government is appealing the ruling that said they have to sell the Graff Spee Eagle
1920004;1561482187;BingoBoingo;And in the perpetual Oslogentina https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/h-m-vendera-en-argentina-excedentes-de-stock-de-otros-mercados-201962512193 << Same day as http://trilema.com/2019/oslo-that-unredeemably-sad-shithole/#selection-149.0-155.86
1920005;1561482194;BingoBoingo;Puffy shirts all the way down
1920006;1561483293;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: s/too other/to other
1920007;1561483726;BingoBoingo;ty, fixed
1920008;1561483885;*;mp_en_viaje waves
1920009;1561483945;*;BingoBoingo waves
1920010;1561483997;mp_en_viaje;yay doin' da wave!
1920011;1561484024;BingoBoingo;yay doin' da wave!
1920012;1561484047;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-25#1919983 << you have no fcukin' idea!
1920013;1561484047;a111;Logged on 2019-06-25 14:56 asciilifeform wonders if they have 'прописка' in norway. i.e. where must Officially register place of residence with polizei erry time changing flats
1920014;1561484062;asciilifeform;ohai mp_en_viaje
1920015;1561484076;mp_en_viaje;you have to register PHONE with polizei. literally, can get sim but will not work in any phone not sold in norway and can't have mobile in norway other than like typewriters in ye olde soviet lands.
1920016;1561484087;asciilifeform;sounds chinese actually
1920017;1561484088;mp_en_viaje;"otherwise people abuse it"
1920018;1561484099;mp_en_viaje;well, the soviet part of chinese. sure.
1920019;1561484103;BingoBoingo;Here you only gotta register with the local prefectura if you lack a place to live and wanna claim a corner
1920020;1561484150;mp_en_viaje;that sounds very pre-secession us. "get a corner and a mule, gotta homestead it"
1920021;1561484215;asciilifeform;lol bomzhsteading
1920022;1561484220;BingoBoingo;Well, can't make poverty a free option
1920023;1561484286;mp_en_viaje;anyway : my flight got delayed ; this marks the longest i ever spent in an airport
1920024;1561484295;BingoBoingo;Ouch
1920025;1561484306;mp_en_viaje;just my luck it'd be the shittiest place this side of the equator
1920026;1561484370;mp_en_viaje;in other lulz : they have reindeer pelts for sale in one of these revolting "souvenirs" to take home so as to pretend like norway isn't a complete shithole thatshould be glassed.. costs ~two pelts to pay for a cab ride to the airport.
1920027;1561484422;BingoBoingo;Probably still top 5 on either side by your description. Place sounds like the oil was, like Qatar's... a serious misfortune
1920028;1561484431;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-25#1919988 << nah, just bait & switch scamhotel / coupla managers.
1920029;1561484431;a111;Logged on 2019-06-25 15:01 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-25#1919971 << lol, can't resist to ask, didja file complaint against whole city, for being fulla criminally insane lolcows ?
1920030;1561484468;mp_en_viaje;incidentally : one should absolutely not trust any norwegian. assholes scam like they breathe ; i dunno why various africans have a bad reputation, i have literally never been scammed by a hotel before, ever.
1920031;1561484479;mp_en_viaje;and i've been everywhere. norway first at something!
1920032;1561484563;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, i suspect you might be very right re the oil. we used to think the problem ruining argentina was you know, heat. "it never freezes here, of course they're all bums". but norway freezes plenty -- so i kinda don't see the heat theory anymore.
1920033;1561484604;mp_en_viaje;however, THIS they both had in common : circumstantial windfall, unearned wealth. the argentines with the ww2 debacle / the germans petting them throughout 19th century, and the nortards with the oil, obv.
1920034;1561484607;BingoBoingo;The heat could still play a role in that Norgies get the heat for "Phree"
1920035;1561484648;BingoBoingo;Both Argeis and Norgies seem to be heavy on the "Indoorsmanship"
1920036;1561484653;mp_en_viaje;it;s a certain sort of unearned, really -- not ENTIRELY unearned. if it's out and out windfall you get passthrough economies like imperial spain or chad.
1920037;1561484654;asciilifeform;naggum actually described, in ~exactly mp_en_viaje's terms
1920038;1561484670;asciilifeform;re norway being a sort of even dumber qatar
1920039;1561484671;mp_en_viaje;but if it's "a little" earned you get us/argentina/norway. pompous assholes.
1920040;1561484690;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, i never read that part. is it on your site ?
1920041;1561484709;asciilifeform;dunthinkso. but might be in the old archive, will look
1920042;1561484716;mp_en_viaje;if you find it i will read it.
1920043;1561484739;*;mp_en_viaje will not go asking google to pretty please discharge some nibblets from the usenet archives it stole, in its own judgement.
1920044;1561484751;*;BingoBoingo awaits more chapters of "Nordic System" materializing on Trilema in the coming months http://trilema.com/the-nordic-system-a-new-novel-by-mircea-popescu
1920045;1561484816;mp_en_viaje;not gonna do a fucking novel, i tell you that. i might put up the details re the bait & switch "hotel" / scam, but atm waiting to see what the police say and for report on list of various authorities that could be induced to inspect the shithole.
1920046;1561484824;*;asciilifeform has had 'do 2nd pass through [https://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/][the naggum bones] ' on conveyor backlog for nearly decade nao
1920047;1561484868;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, i also have been toying with the idea of doing a http://trilema.com/2012/filozoful-blogomirea-editie-revazuta-adaugita-si-completata/#selection-123.0-125.52 for a few years myself. "what'd happen to trilema if it reviewed itself ???"
1920048;1561484869;mp_en_viaje;but...
1920049;1561484983;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-25#1919991 << o yeah, panama is a celebrated shithole, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779900 and all that.
1920050;1561484983;a111;Logged on 2019-06-25 15:02 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-25#1919928 << found very similar, actually, in panama
1920051;1561484983;a111;Logged on 2018-02-02 21:26 mircea_popescu: phf you can also book with a day+ layover in panama on your way back. for one thing you get to see the place and despise panama for good reason rather than by hearsay ; for the other flight over here is ~1hr ~every hour.
1920052;1561485027;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-25#1919994 << nah that's not it ; earlier piece, quite specifically discussing hospital economics.
1920053;1561485027;a111;Logged on 2019-06-25 15:05 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-25#1919917 << >> http://trilema.com/2018/the-principal-agent-problem-or-how-america-went-away/#selection-251.0-261.55 .
1920054;1561485055;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: my last pass through panama was esp. outrageous, they set up an impromptu baggage & pocket search queue ~on arrival from usa~ for no detectable reason
1920055;1561485069;asciilifeform;sumthing that i never before saw
1920056;1561485081;mp_en_viaje;chinese pressure mebbe.
1920057;1561485117;mp_en_viaje;usians are getting reamed pretty hard throughout yurp fwis, these days. way easier time being somali or something.
1920058;1561485158;asciilifeform;prolly simple revenge for how folx landing in usa are abused.
1920059;1561485177;mp_en_viaje;waning star.
1920060;1561485206;BingoBoingo;re: hospital economics we have http://trilema.com/2015/this-is-why-medicine-is-not-a-liberal-profession-but-a-servile-career/ and http://trilema.com/2016/the-fagspital/
1920061;1561485207;asciilifeform;the oddity in panama was that they allocated neither space nor time for the thing, they set up ad hoc xray an' queue right where the shops are; and the procedure subtracted from the time to next plane
1920062;1561485228;asciilifeform;( i.e. fondled ~twice~ )
1920063;1561485272;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, the stock warrant thing, though interesting, not at all it.
1920064;1561485322;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: pretty sure you had a piece re how handing out payola to lumpens results in $25 bottle of soda etc
1920065;1561485371;asciilifeform;speaking of which, pretty curious, what was http://trilema.com/2019/oslo-that-unredeemably-sad-shithole/#selection-277.0-277.66 ?
1920066;1561485384;asciilifeform;what's it doing in airport ?
1920067;1561485390;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, nor either of those two
1920068;1561485822;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-25#1920043 <<< >>> http://loper-os.org/pub/naggum-articles.tgz ( ty phf , btw , who dug it out )
1920069;1561485822;a111;Logged on 2019-06-25 17:45 mp_en_viaje will not go asking google to pretty please discharge some nibblets from the usenet archives it stole, in its own judgement.
1920070;1561485867;asciilifeform;appears to be the complete set .
1920071;1561488486;BingoBoingo;Seems like another miss though apropos the Nordic System http://trilema.com/2013/regulation-for-our-lord-regulos/
1920072;1561494146;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/06/verizon-bgp-fuckup-disrupted-us-internet-service-yesterday/ << Qntra -- Verizon BGP Fuckup Disrupted US Internet Service Yesterday
1920073;1561494202;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: re your scroll's hiccup yesterday ^
1920074;1561494209;asciilifeform;lol
1920075;1561494866;BingoBoingo;Anyways if it isn't one thing with the internet of shit it is another. Packet weather's one thing. But for all the derp about encrypting the DNS... routers routinely eat unsigned route batches
1920076;1561494923;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: usg ministry of lulz is trying to push usgtronic 'pki' bgp. so, 1st gotta 'make weather', vandalize a bit, drum up interest.
1920077;1561494994;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Anyways, this is a part of why router facing the world needs at least 8 gigs of RAM. Gotta hold ALL the IPv4 routing tables
1920078;1561495133;asciilifeform;seems kinda braindamaged. all router really needs is 'next hop' on ea. side
1920079;1561495209;BingoBoingo;Depends where the router is on the topology.
1920080;1561495234;asciilifeform;if it's somewhere other than regional backbone
1920081;1561495254;BingoBoingo;Holding less than the full table increases dependence on the kindness of strangers
1920082;1561495322;BingoBoingo;Regional backbone is a bit ambiguous. TMSR router at Pizarro by definition is just about going to have to be "regional backbone"
1920083;1561495325;asciilifeform;considering that the table per se is sourced via 'kindness of strangers'...
1920084;1561495367;asciilifeform;the net is ~entirely from duct tape, it's sorta surprising it even worx at all on most days.
1920085;1561495423;BingoBoingo;Anyways, brb going to route my way to Cordon.
1920086;1561506811;mp_en_viaje;season's greetings from lovely varsovia!
1920087;1561506943;asciilifeform;Jeszcze Polska nie zginela!111(tm)(r)
1920088;1561507010;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-25#1920004 << pretty fucking lulzy.
1920089;1561507010;a111;Logged on 2019-06-25 17:03 BingoBoingo: And in the perpetual Oslogentina https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/h-m-vendera-en-argentina-excedentes-de-stock-de-otros-mercados-201962512193 << Same day as http://trilema.com/2019/oslo-that-unredeemably-sad-shithole/#selection-149.0-155.86
1920090;1561507023;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, i told a cab driver the "going to moscow" pildulski joke.
1920091;1561507028;mp_en_viaje;he asked me who told me this!
1920092;1561507030;asciilifeform;lol!
1920093;1561507055;mp_en_viaje;hehe
1920094;1561507200;asciilifeform;hrm, could've sworn it was in the l0gz, but cannot nao find
1920095;1561507678;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-25#1920065 << literally, giving people the gift of "cab", socialist version.
1920096;1561507678;a111;Logged on 2019-06-25 17:56 asciilifeform: speaking of which, pretty curious, what was http://trilema.com/2019/oslo-that-unredeemably-sad-shithole/#selection-277.0-277.66 ?
1920097;1561507720;mp_en_viaje;see, cuz in a sane place you ~pay~. but in argentinorway, "there's no money".
1920098;1561507785;asciilifeform;iirc mp_en_viaje showed up in argentinistan with railcar of green, didn't help any moar than in any other sovok
1920099;1561507819;mp_en_viaje;helped plenty, old whore went from presidency to jail cell.
1920100;1561507830;mp_en_viaje;just, money doesn;'t fix idiots, no.
1920101;1561507834;asciilifeform;rright but that's, what, 1% of what's needed to terraform
1920102;1561507854;mp_en_viaje;i'm not that into terraforming tbh.
1920103;1561507874;mp_en_viaje;i'm also not that into rape. for the exact same reasons, too. who the fuck can be bothered ?
1920104;1561507888;mp_en_viaje;can't even get to the end of they begging on hands and knees in ten lives, what terraformic.
1920105;1561507912;asciilifeform;prolly cheaper (and more interesting) to build dome under ocean, than to terraform derpistan fulla orcs
1920106;1561507944;mp_en_viaje;certainly more interesting.
1920107;1561508012;asciilifeform;the [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-30#1890666]['ru-ar' d00d described] typical 'month' of endurance of typical ru emigre there. asciilifeform idly wonders how long it'd take him to barf.
1920108;1561508012;a111;Logged on 2019-01-30 01:02 asciilifeform: 'ru-ar' d00d described 'month -- euphoria, then reality sets in when so happens you want a faucet fixed, or tooth capped, or to buy power brick for lappy' etc
1920109;1561508033;asciilifeform;( unlike e.g. mp_en_viaje , wouldn't notice the broken clubs etc )
1920110;1561508139;mp_en_viaje;i expect you'd notice the sudden absence of a technical world.
1920111;1561508171;mp_en_viaje;i expect you;d notice cutting up cardboard is what "students" do there. by the time "technology" is an oil drum sawed in half for "parilla"...
1920112;1561508217;asciilifeform;not long ago went and saw what the 'students' do ~here~, wasn't so diff
1920113;1561508252;mp_en_viaje;well then...
1920114;1561508263;mp_en_viaje;i can see it, if you can live in wash dc, can luive anywhere
1920115;1561509431;mp_en_viaje;admittedly, if one cares about nothing one could lvie anywhere.
1920116;1561509494;asciilifeform;even tree, not quite anywhere.
1920117;1561509522;asciilifeform;( i noticed e.g. that old world oak, with the correct!1111 'long' acorn, is not found in new world. and doubt that it is because no one tried to plant.. )
1920118;1561510051;mp_en_viaje;possibly not.
1920119;1561510059;mp_en_viaje;anyways, ima bbl!
1920120;1561540502;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, so did that "bitcoin financier" in his own mind kill himself for having "[http://archive.is/hB8Gd#selection-151.8478-151.8765][traded]" opm into nothingness ? his "unaccessible wallets" totalling ~100 btc dun really match the ~300mn figure in claims.
1920121;1561540514;mp_en_viaje;and btw, why doesn't the qntra select work, i have to use archive /
1920122;1561541365;mp_en_viaje;"Quadriga represented itself as being one of Canada’s largest cryptocurrency exchanges serving over 360,000 registered Users. Notwithstanding the size of the operation in terms of transactional values and volumes processed, specifically during 2017 and 2018, Quadriga was effectively a small operation with what appears to be limited corporate infrastructure and limited controls in respect of its operations." << gotta love the rich pretense there
1920123;1561541365;mp_en_viaje;. QUADRINGA, you see, not ~everyone~, but this one ~particular~ femstate agent specifically, represented itself. it's not EXACTLY IDENTICAL to the case of usg.[http://trilema.com/2015/okcupidcom-the-dating-site/#selection-91.64-91.179][okcupid] or usg.[http://trilema.com/2018/fetlikeslol/#selection-101.20-113.28][fetlife] or usg.[http://trilema.com/2012/lets-have-fun-with-paul-graham/][airbnb] or usg.[http://trilema.com/2013/the-poster-child-for-
1920124;1561541367;mp_en_viaje;github-retardation/][github] or usg [http://trilema.com/2013/the-endless-story-of-korea/#selection-77.0-77.349][the topnode itself]. these don't equally represent themselves, spuriously if ridiculously, as "serving users" that don't exist (and they don't serve), as having money they don't have (or for that matter understand) and so following. no, not them, just this one, exceptionally.
1920125;1561541372;mp_en_viaje;[http://trilema.com/2014/today-is-the-international-day-of-remembering-how-mircea-popescu-is-better-than-me-and-related-observances/#selection-133.0-133.68]["legal" proceedings] in the reich [http://trilema.com/2013/the-sops-or-what-might-you-expect-from-government-clerks/][are strictly indistinguishable] from the ancient practice of playing with the scape goat. first you feed it. then you put ribbons in its hair. then you kill it and pretend lik
1920126;1561541377;mp_en_viaje;e this fixed idiocy in the world, you're no longer an unwashed urchin because the goat was the unwashed urchin and the goat was killed therefore you're now clean and respectable.
1920127;1561541380;mp_en_viaje;science, amirite.
1920128;1561542284;mp_en_viaje;and the similarity lulz are not just one coincidental spot of comedy, they're everywhere!
1920129;1561542326;mp_en_viaje;"KYC User information, where available, supplied to Quadriga has been saved directly within the Platform. The data is not masked in any way. Administrative access such as the access previously utilized by the independent consultants and Mr. Cotten and the access granted to the Monitor allows access to view KYC information for any User. Given the sensitivity of this personal information, the Monitor has restricted Platform access
1920130;1561542326;mp_en_viaje;internally to a small number of Monitor / Trustee representatives who require access to the Platform to administer these proceedings." aka "we do not like what these people did [because it was these people doing it] therefore we have proceeded to doing THE EXACT SAME THING they did and self-importantly act like it's all better now -- because it's us doing it, not them!"
1920131;1561542365;mp_en_viaje;the quality, let alone quantity of cognitive dissonance involved in the day-to-day operations of femstate agents is unparalleled in nature.
1920132;1561542480;*;diana_coman doesn't even know wtf quadriga was/is
1920133;1561542714;mp_en_viaje;~same everyrthing else is. what's kfc ? a random jumble of unwashed negros and white trash "students" ie vagabonds meeting occasionally through their phones' social media apps.
1920134;1561542733;mp_en_viaje;they "serve customers food", theoretically.
1920135;1561542760;mp_en_viaje;practically...
1920136;1561542766;mp_en_viaje;"it;s just here, man"
1920137;1561543329;diana_coman;I suppose it makes sense as moving on from pretending to learn to pretending to do /serve as there's nothing else apparently.
1920138;1561543497;mp_en_viaje;jsut about.
1920139;1561543556;mp_en_viaje;it's pretty bloodcurdling, this brave new world as examined through the lifting of the smallest of rocks hiding its wormy pullulation from the sun.
1920140;1561543566;mp_en_viaje;scammers indicting scammers for being scammers
1920141;1561543765;diana_coman;"not the right sort of scammers111!"
1920142;1561544627;mp_en_viaje;you know ? pretty weird.
1920143;1561544653;mp_en_viaje;it's almost as if the pantsuit honestly believe they found the holy grail of scamming, everyone else is doing it wrong (tm)
1920144;1561545031;mp_en_viaje;actually come to think of it... that's EXACTLY what they believe.
1920145;1561545044;mp_en_viaje;speshul&protected scammer class, aka "nordic system"
1920146;1561545209;diana_coman;what can I say, to me it reads over-and-over again like all the group-thinking ever did: if we do it, it's all right because we are ALL doing it, if s/he does it, it is wrong because it's outside the group
1920147;1561545304;diana_coman;i.e. right/wrong is all about whether it's "one of us" or not, nothing to do with anything else.
1920148;1561545442;diana_coman;where "one of us" is really "us", there is no such thing as "one"
1920149;1561545561;mp_en_viaje;so i turn on the tv, first channel is vox music, ace of base, "all that she wants"
1920150;1561545564;mp_en_viaje;holy shit 90s.
1920151;1561545624;diana_coman;ahahaha
1920152;1561557137;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-26#1920140 << was this ever not happening ? e.g. what exactly is the diff b/w 'his majesty's tax collector' and 'highwayman' .
1920153;1561557137;a111;Logged on 2019-06-26 10:06 mp_en_viaje: scammers indicting scammers for being scammers
1920154;1561557227;asciilifeform;recall the famous convo b/w alexander the macedonian & the pirate.
1920155;1561557297;asciilifeform;'i rob with one ship, you -- with thousand' or how did it go.
1920156;1561559597;mp_en_viaje;the problem here is that the posturing contains some element of intellectual superiority. "you rob one ship -- dumbly, because dumb. i ''''rob''' a thousand, so well [http://trilema.com/2019/so-why-cant-they-be-trained/#selection-383.0-387.9][they beg me to] keep on robbing and weep when i give it all up and leave."
1920157;1561559627;mp_en_viaje;whereas the reality contains no such, but in fact a shocking equality of intellectual means, and modes, and mores, between the pirate calling himself alexander and all other pirates.
1920158;1561559894;asciilifeform;per the traditional story, alex let'im go with a bag o'gold
1920159;1561559928;asciilifeform;( 'because impressed with his wit' or whatever nonsense )
1920160;1561562304;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-26#1920120 << Probable, but indeterminate. Derp crowd has been making noise about dude having maybe faked his death, running off with the coins for months. Little information to make a call until this report that suggests that he did himself in.
1920161;1561562304;a111;Logged on 2019-06-26 09:15 mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, so did that "bitcoin financier" in his own mind kill himself for having "[http://archive.is/hB8Gd#selection-151.8478-151.8765][traded]" opm into nothingness ? his "unaccessible wallets" totalling ~100 btc dun really match the ~300mn figure in claims.
1920162;1561562460;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-26#1920121 << I'll try shimming the select script in. Qntra is still on a not quite mp-wp fork due to the DB changes that happened between mp-wp and qntra-wp forking from derppress
1920163;1561562460;a111;Logged on 2019-06-26 09:15 mp_en_viaje: and btw, why doesn't the qntra select work, i have to use archive /
1920164;1561564546;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/06/fedex-sues-fedgov-over-export-control-burdens/ << Qntra -- FedEx Sues FedGov Over Export Control Burdens
1920165;1561564589;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: s/liaility/liability
1920166;1561564618;asciilifeform;s/an in the process/and in the process
1920167;1561564644;asciilifeform;s/burdens where placed/burdens were placed
1920168;1561564805;BingoBoingo;ty, fxd
1920169;1561566295;mp_en_viaje;lollability
1920170;1561566761;asciilifeform;to tie into 'alexander & pirate' thrd, i'm hard pressed to see any diff b/w what this d00d did and what everyday biz at e.g. goldman sachs consists of
1920171;1561566772;asciilifeform;(in so far as can tell with naked eye of what it consists)
1920172;1561566889;asciilifeform;rando gox operator dun have a printing press with which to spackle the hole, is the only, afaik, diff.
1920173;1561566917;mp_en_viaje;i see the same thing.
1920174;1561567247;asciilifeform;physical economy hits wall, and yet some folx still want to 'financier', offer 'jam tomorrow' (despite no supply of jam even today, much less any reason to think will arrive tomorrow) , imho it aint happenstance that good % of konsoomer spare change in '90s ru went to 'mmm' & other pyramids, somehow lotsa folx eager to share in the delusion
1920175;1561567749;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: Qntra now has selection-magic hacked in http://qntra.net/2019/06/monitors-report-in-quadracx-bankruptcy-reveals-a-clusterfuck/#selection-59.27362-59.27613
1920176;1561567766;mp_en_viaje;win.
1920177;1561567776;asciilifeform;neato, appears to work.
1920178;1561567793;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, the problem / curse / salient feature of postmodern man is this peculiar ascetism, of the "future" ilk.
1920179;1561567842;mp_en_viaje;all idealistic periods (commonly referred to "dark ages", esp when not talking of one's own) share this problem, very dedicatedly ascetic, consumatedly futuristic
1920180;1561567916;mp_en_viaje;the one feature of years 400-1400 were precisely great sincerity of religious sentiment, doubled by great purity of practice. eschatological religion, of course, very scientific & all.
1920181;1561567926;asciilifeform;'dedicatedly ascetic' is adaptive if there aint much to go around
1920182;1561568251;asciilifeform;i find it interesting, how typical sovok orc is incurable believer in 'skip icecream cone, save the dough', and that it is ~more~ common among the older folx, who in fact watched 1, 2, or even 3 episodes of 100% evaporation of savings during 'currency rebasings' etc
1920183;1561568388;asciilifeform;reminiscent of tlp's 'the product is the feeling' hypothesis. the orc is not buying 'have money in future', he is buying 'feeling like having money'. so the evaporation turns out is minor detail, he still had 3decade of 'feel'
1920184;1561568742;asciilifeform;iirc mp had a piece re how 'chief erryday biz of socialist state is to dupe subjects into underconsumption'
1920185;1561569032;asciilifeform;asciilifeform's relatives see him as lunatic : 'why didja buy that btc/plane ticket/lispm, you oughta have put in 401k/realestate bezzle/stocks !!'
1920186;1561569070;asciilifeform;and when asciilifeform reminds'em of how they lost most of the pennies they pinched in '90s to jon corzine et al, still dun compute in their crankcases
1920187;1561569177;asciilifeform;( for readers outside of reich -- '401k' is usa's Official national pyramid )
1920188;1561570792;mp_en_viaje;weird, this failure to compute
1920189;1561570806;mp_en_viaje;but widespread.
1920190;1561571020;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: imho it goes with the 'vhs america'(tm) that these folx moved into, in heads, when moved. and feeding corzine is part and parcel of the 'rent' for living in this fantasy
1920191;1561571051;mp_en_viaje;in fact -- evaporation ~is fundamental mechanism~. there's a [http://trilema.com/2017/the-final-gasp-two-for-the-money/#selection-61.0-65.1189][great monologue] explaining the problem ; basically : if not lost, not truly felt like had. loss is proof of haveness, much like [http://trilema.com/2009/banii-si-controlul-social/#selection-89.0-89.640][offspring dependency] is proof of potency.
1920192;1561571117;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, indeed, i suspect we agree. "to have loved and never lost is not so much like having ever loved at all", there's a certain insufficiency of feeling requiring the cripple to die defeated and alone.
1920193;1561571127;asciilifeform;iirc there exists a 'fetish' set who dream of... being eaten by cannibals. i never grasped exactly how this worx, psychologically, but entirely possib that 'is proof of my deliciousness!'
1920194;1561571408;mp_en_viaje;yup
1920195;1561571425;asciilifeform;[https://archive.is/eHhfR#selection-315.1-315.631][orlov had a piece where] 'people feel privileged to be robbed by such superior...'
1920196;1561571450;mp_en_viaje;re the eating, it's prolly more a case of "mom finally came to her senses, took me back in". ever read "confederacy of dunces", 60s boo?
1920197;1561571459;*;asciilifeform has not
1920198;1561571487;mp_en_viaje;oh, it's excellent, quite worth a read.
1920199;1561571524;asciilifeform;i recall somewhere a discussion of 'voraphiles', where author sorted'em into 2 distinct subspecies, one which wants to be properly eaten & digested, but another, distinct type, which wants to live 'as jonah in whale', as a foetus-like parasite
1920200;1561571538;mp_en_viaje;by one john kennedy toole. currently in the copyrast cone of shadow, but one of the very few us items worth reading
1920201;1561571611;*;asciilifeform will dig it up, when gets chance. unless someone has it handy & pastes
1920202;1561571749;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/lifes-a-helva-gumdrop-you-know/ << Trilema -- Life's a helva gumdrop, you know ?
1920203;1561574544;billymg;confederacy of dunces was a great read, also had me laughing out loud nearly the whole way through
1920204;1561574584;billymg;his, i believe one, other book, the neon bible, also not bad
1920205;1561574651;bvt;asciilifeform: i have built ave1gnat with mipsel-sf support with a small patch (http://bvt-trace.net/src/gcc-4.9.adacore2016-4-mipsel.diff) -- adacore has snipped those files from their source distribution.
1920206;1561574728;bvt;if you want, can share the tarballs as well. afaik mips also uses zcx by default -- i did not change anything there
1920207;1561574791;asciilifeform;bvt: will eventually want the working (non-zcx) mechanism, but this is pretty good start, ty
1920208;1561574816;asciilifeform;bvt: the 'how was built' would be moar useful than the bin tar tho.
1920209;1561574935;billymg;so i'm planning to give my two weeks notice next week so i can focus on actual work. i'm also going to be looking for property on the other side of the wire
1920210;1561574953;billymg;mp_en_viaje: what do you think of the puntarenas region in cr?
1920211;1561574991;billymg;i'm thinking cr because it's already been vetted, but i admit i'm not sure yet what would be best for me, i just know i should get out
1920212;1561575110;bvt;well, building is actually trivial -- sed 's/aarch64 x86_64/x86_64 mipsel-sf/' build-ada-arm64.sh > build-ada-mipsel.sh ; i'll do a post about this, but this'd be all the technical meat in it
1920213;1561575116;asciilifeform;bvt: re mipsism -- i realized that the emulator will need , at minimum, a realtime clock, to be actually useful for general-purpose linuxism. ( the minimal draft item simulates only two devices aside from cpu/ram -- serial uart, and power/reset switch )
1920214;1561575196;asciilifeform;( incidentally, in principle you dun need a sim-nic -- can access net over slip..! )
1920215;1561575259;asciilifeform;'make', www logging, etc. are hell on a box w/out proper clock.
1920216;1561575407;bvt;re rtc -- i can see that. re network - i guess at some point it may be easier to provide a (first, emulated, later hardwarized) pipe device and write a custom driver to it; basically a high-speed tty that also transfers information about message boundaries
1920217;1561575440;asciilifeform;i suspect that 'slip' would suffice for most purposes, and keep the thing simple.
1920218;1561575470;bvt;i have never worked with slip, so can't tell right now
1920219;1561576179;mp_en_viaje;bvt nice!
1920220;1561576251;mp_en_viaje;billymg, on a personal note i fucking hate puntarenas ; rural shithole, terrible services, connects by boat to nicoya which idem rural shithole, terrible services.
1920221;1561576349;mp_en_viaje;businesswise i dunno, if you have some kinda insider tip then it may work for you ; but in the general i suspect cr is actually overbought as it stands, and while the effect may be least noticeable in the rural edges, there's a reason for this -- marginality dampens, meaning the tiny sliver of overboughtness spilled all the way to over there is actually fair and market supported, meaning good times won't propagate any better.
1920222;1561576393;mp_en_viaje;prolly a better bet to buy real estate in ukraina or syria than costa rica. it's always good to buy in places the pantsuits just finished "helping" and sell in places they're just about to start "helping".
1920223;1561576430;mp_en_viaje;depends what you want and what you're doing, kinda the problem here is, a very general question can't possibly get but the most useless of vague answers.
1920224;1561576527;billymg;i also thought of a small b&b in tamarindo, to generate income, plus something else with more acreage to live on further inland. i also know a girl here, who already speaks spanish and is entrepreneurial herself, who could be relied upon to run such a b&b
1920225;1561576536;mp_en_viaje;mind that owning real estate [as a business] in foreign jurisdictions, esp exotic ones, is generally very demanding of the owner, in terms of business acumen and experience and etc.
1920226;1561576573;mp_en_viaje;billymg, lotta people do that, i'd sat 40% actually make any money. like, ever.
1920227;1561576627;billymg;in terms of what i'd see myself doing, i think the most important task for the rest of my life is to protect my keys, if i can do that then i should be fine
1920228;1561576633;mp_en_viaje;so it comes down to the brass tacks, how low can you keep the costs of making breakfast and how likely the chick's to run off etc.
1920229;1561576645;billymg;beyond that my goal would be to work on whatever the republic needs working on
1920230;1561576676;billymg;and fill as many gaps in my knowledge -- technical, lingual, personal -- as i can
1920231;1561576695;mp_en_viaje;nothing wrong with that.
1920232;1561576726;billymg;she would offer other services as well, tantric massage, bdsm stuff is her speciality here
1920233;1561576747;mp_en_viaje;o.O
1920234;1561576757;mp_en_viaje;where the fuck did you find a bdsm local in cr ?!
1920235;1561576763;billymg;oh oh, in nyc
1920236;1561576772;billymg;but open to moving
1920237;1561576776;mp_en_viaje;so wait, you wanna import a nyc hussy in cr, and she's willing to go ?
1920238;1561576789;billymg;possibly, yes
1920239;1561576790;mp_en_viaje;hell yeah. forget the bs, get yourself a spot in jaco, put up neons larger than the wall.
1920240;1561576813;mp_en_viaje;and advertise in san jose, the shitty part around us embassy (escazu)
1920241;1561576841;mp_en_viaje;also make sure you can get her some back-ups, and other such protective measures.
1920242;1561576869;billymg;back-ups?
1920243;1561576870;mp_en_viaje;forget the "b&b" bs, there's 5`000 of them and most don't make money.
1920244;1561576894;mp_en_viaje;billymg, take a hair stylist with no clear ideas of the future along, or at least take about the possibility of joining etc.
1920245;1561576924;billymg;ah
1920246;1561576983;mp_en_viaje;the cr pink market is fuckiong desperate. the locals are braindead, the entire reason cr tourism is dying is that the tards permitted their pink market to die out sometime between 1995 and 2015.
1920247;1561577001;mp_en_viaje;you can literally fix a small country, if you can be arsed.
1920248;1561577059;mp_en_viaje;get yourself support locally, too. there's a few remnant pantsui torgs that need strangling ; i murdered one there's just a few left. they must be publicly raped, and then get the repubkican style institutions going.
1920249;1561577079;mp_en_viaje;"0 tolerance for uppity old women organization", instead of the "acoso callejero awareness bullshit'
1920250;1561577126;billymg;neato
1920251;1561577128;mp_en_viaje;it's so small tho, and so everyone's cousins, all you really need are a coupla prominent lawyers, a head of this or that here and there, and the cool head to use it.
1920252;1561577138;mp_en_viaje;and with this, /me shall bbl.
1920253;1561577141;billymg;not the line of work i pictured myself in but this is making it sound more interesting
1920254;1561577358;billymg;mp_en_viaje: ty for the perspective on this. if it's not out of line to ask, have you left cr behind for good?
1920255;1561578150;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-26#1920243 << Here the expat trap is all the expats wanna go into farming without a solid idea how to do it.
1920256;1561578150;a111;Logged on 2019-06-26 19:21 mp_en_viaje: forget the "b&b" bs, there's 5`000 of them and most don't make money.
1920257;1561578384;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-01#1910476][a few -- do have solid idea how to]
1920258;1561578384;a111;Logged on 2019-05-01 16:56 asciilifeform: http://ru-ar.ru/starovery << photo-reportage re subj.
1920259;1561578415;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I'm talking the US-fugees
1920260;1561578460;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-26#1920218 << [https://archive.is/VlW1i][vintage likbez.] ( and if you've ever used ordinary modem, chances are -- you've used slip )
1920261;1561578460;a111;Logged on 2019-06-26 18:57 bvt: i have never worked with slip, so can't tell right now
1920262;1561578544;asciilifeform;simply happens to be a historically popular scheme for shoving packets through a serial line.
1920263;1561579017;BingoBoingo;In local news, one of four escapees caught https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/detuvieron-a-uno-de-los-cuatro-fugados-de-carcel-central-201962672714
1920264;1561580741;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-26#1920222 << can't speak re syria, but the notion of 'buying property' in ukristan is imho lulzy.
1920265;1561580741;a111;Logged on 2019-06-26 19:13 mp_en_viaje: prolly a better bet to buy real estate in ukraina or syria than costa rica. it's always good to buy in places the pantsuits just finished "helping" and sell in places they're just about to start "helping".
1920266;1561592358;mp_en_viaje;billymg, ah, no. just talking the sluts through yurp during the rainy season.
1920267;1561592394;mp_en_viaje;will be back in cr before long.
1920268;1561592501;mp_en_viaje;and sure, a partnership is not off the table ; subj ofc to vetting your gal, you &c.
1920269;1561592995;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, why lulz y?
1920270;1561593171;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-12-10#949583 is what i was thinking
1920271;1561593171;a111;Logged on 2014-12-10 00:51 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu had an article (or perhaps a thread here? but can't seem to find it...) about an archetypical u.s. expat. fellow keeps a pub somewhere in thailand, or cambodia, etc. the locals - drink for free. he fancies that if he begins to run out of dough, he can always start charging. but somehow in the back of his head he knows what will happen to his sorry arse if he were to do so.
1920272;1561593216;mp_en_viaje;i didn't propose run a business, esp public facing.
1920273;1561593233;mp_en_viaje;most real estate in ukrlands is owned by banks as it stands anyway, austrian etc.
1920274;1561593260;mp_en_viaje;and there's exactly 0 likelihood kiev's ever gonna be anything other than a latvia.
1920275;1561593283;asciilifeform;it's a shaky latvia, has erry chance of transition to zimbabwe in near term
1920276;1561593386;asciilifeform;and even for residence where one sits tightly , can think of better landscape than where half dozen sovok-era nuke plants running on square 'general electric' fuel rods hammered into round holes with sledge
1920277;1561593516;asciilifeform;( and ftr i suspect that [https://archive.is/TV06j#selection-417.1-417.540][orlol aint wrong when he suspects that ukrs + usg handlers might try an' stage an 'accident' to score 'humanitarian' aid] )
1920278;1561593632;mp_en_viaje;land in zimbabwe was never free ; and besides, this zimbabwe freeranges decent cunt.
1920279;1561593648;mp_en_viaje;nothing wrong with owning a few acres of top slut pasture.
1920280;1561593688;asciilifeform;could own pasture, but not necessarily have to live in it
1920281;1561593690;mp_en_viaje;result of irradiating 1mn sluts might be +ev, actually.
1920282;1561593705;mp_en_viaje;we were discussing business not living arrangements.
1920283;1561593738;asciilifeform;hm i read billymg's q as re where ought he to take up residence.
1920284;1561593760;asciilifeform;if re biznis, then how could disagree, own, sure, acres of urk, penguin plantation in antarctica, why not.
1920285;1561593802;mp_en_viaje;in other wtf, back to the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-26#1920146 lulz  : "Legal Fees - Monitor 851,776.31 Monitor Fees 676,908.61 Legal Fees - Applicant 454,950.46 Legal Fees - Rep Counsel 388,282.12"
1920286;1561593802;a111;Logged on 2019-06-26 10:33 diana_coman: what can I say, to me it reads over-and-over again like all the group-thinking ever did: if we do it, it's all right because we are ALL doing it, if s/he does it, it is wrong because it's outside the group
1920287;1561593822;asciilifeform;it'd not surprise asciilifeform if mp_en_viaje said that he still owns acres of buenos aires, on off chance that he ever needs to park some nuke waste somewhere
1920288;1561593844;mp_en_viaje;cocksuckers actually had the gall to charge MILLIONS in fees. for doing what the fuck, ernst & young is only famous for fucking up everything they touch.
1920289;1561593877;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: iirc e&y is a carrion-eater, comes to finish off dying corps and feast on corpse
1920290;1561593916;mp_en_viaje;it also provides ~useless "services" to usg.corps still living
1920291;1561593933;mp_en_viaje;it's what;s called a money sink in ( badly made) computer game economies.
1920292;1561593959;mp_en_viaje;sucks out the "excess" gold resulting from welfarist approach to corporations
1920293;1561593980;asciilifeform;same thing the real estate people do on the konsoomer end
1920294;1561593989;mp_en_viaje;also spent 9k in "advertising" and 35k in "media services" and so on
1920295;1561594024;asciilifeform;lol 9k buys what, 1 google ad ?
1920296;1561594356;mp_en_viaje;why the fuck woyuld it  be paying google money now.
1920297;1561594376;mp_en_viaje;i expect an ad in whatever nova  scotia shit paper go for 10-20 bucks, wtf.
1920298;1561595473;billymg;mp_en_viaje: sounds good
1920299;1561595536;billymg;asciilifeform: new residency is primary goal, yes
1920300;1561595641;billymg;i'm hindered by my ESLness and spanish seems like one of the easier languages to pick up, so that factors somewhat into where i'm looking
1920301;1561595966;billymg;buying property in tropical_beach_location also seems like least questioned way of moving fiat, seeing as how retiree expats do it all the time. otherwise would probably just rent first
1920302;1561596734;BingoBoingo;Lots of ads here for beachfront "lots" that are... frequently on the other side of the land/water border
1920303;1561597469;billymg;i wouldn't mind going there either
1920304;1561601296;BingoBoingo;Well, Costa Rica is tropical. Here I'm at roughly the same latitude as St Louis. We have a winter. Not particularly cold, but the days get short.
1920305;1561603953;billymg;i'm fine with that too. actually i'd be quite fine staying in texas forever if it weren't for http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877612
1920306;1561603953;a111;Logged on 2018-12-01 22:13 mircea_popescu: you can't legally do anything but die quietly in a corner.
1920307;1561604843;trinque;asciilifeform: any history writers you recommend on the soviet era? I watched that garbage of which Orlov wrote, characters might as well have winked at the camera and sang "take me out to the ballgame"
1920308;1561604871;trinque;can't say I buy Orlov's flag-waving either ftr.
1920309;1561607204;asciilifeform;trinque: cannot, sadly, rec any that wrote in eng.
1920310;1561607234;trinque;eng isn't a requirement; it'll just take me longer
1920311;1561607340;asciilifeform;difficult q -- sovok makes 0 sense except in light of assorted dysfunction of preceding era, which in turn...
1920312;1561607360;*;asciilifeform will have to think 
1920313;1561615383;feedbot;http://bvt-trace.net/2019/06/building-ave1gnat-for-mipsel-sf/ << bvt's backtrace -- Building ave1gnat for mipsel-sf
1920314;1561619013;mp_en_viaje;trinque, i do not believe you will find such a thing as a useful history of rus' 20th century in this language, like you have say a useful history of the latin centuries 3-5.
1920315;1561619045;mp_en_viaje;nor does this exist in russian, to my knowledge. nor in romanian -- there are fragmentary bits that are useful -- to the very finely informed. no synthesis, however.
1920316;1561619269;mp_en_viaje;the only apptroach available, short of learning russian, polish, romanian, german, and going blind on reconstructive work through archives and choice secondary sources (chosen how ?) -- which is precisely what "we"'ve done, if passively and over time nevertheless still to the tune of thousands of hours, the difference between one "from there" and "not from there" is like the difference between "familiar with windows" and "unfamiliar" : it's not l
1920317;1561619269;mp_en_viaje;ike the former read the one true book as there isn't such a thing, it's that the former spent days upon days and weeks and weeks and years fucking around with a broken thing and its disparate legs and probiscii -- would be picking up sheila fitzpatrick's swansong (revisionism in soviet history).
1920318;1561619353;mp_en_viaje;you can read as much of its links and references as you have the time / stomach / patience for ; you will not become knowledgeable thereby, but you will become more capable of distinguishing between useful and useless source material than you are now, and importantly : capable enough to trust yourself (though to some degree you're evidently capable even now, i suspect the absence of that last element's what irks you).
1920319;1561619419;mp_en_viaje;after that, things will snap into meaning as time goes by and you happen to read things, which is exactly what a local intelectual (or however you'd call the cultural dominant class) does anyway.
1920320;1561619565;mp_en_viaje;but, fundamentally, what you ask for doesn't exist because the russkis are morons ; and not a little morons, as in neglectful. they're thoroughly and fractally fucked in the head, and thereby they've made for themselves such a history of the 20th century, ~through fucking living it~ as no sane human being could readily follow.
1920321;1561620536;mp_en_viaje;(perhaps also worth the mention : soviets have the cult of the memoir, and they generally do a much better, or at least differently broken job than the current ustards, who are similarily afflicted. both kosigin [soviet economic main man, a sorta ru isarescu] and gromyko [ur-diplomat of teh soviet union, so strong he's [http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22gromy%22][broken into popcult]] wrote memoirs ; they're prolly the highest payoff per time sp
1920322;1561620536;mp_en_viaje;ent source material available when starting out)
1920323;1561620592;mp_en_viaje;and omfg holy shit phf's thing handles nested bracketing. dude this is so pleasant....
1920324;1561620611;mp_en_viaje;this is what "just works" fucking means even, that whoever did it did it right the first pass and you don't have to keep debugging all the corners
1920325;1561642803;asciilifeform;re the histories -- this is esp. diff subject not the least bit because of [http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881846][systematic falsification].
1920326;1561642803;a111;Logged on 2018-12-19 18:21 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: puzzlers like those, make e.g. bolix look trivial ( consider, bolix physically exists and is sitting in asciilifeform's tortureroom , whereas beria et al's docs were afaik carefully burned )
1920327;1561642933;asciilifeform;good chunks of which, incidentally, the 'western narrative' bought into -- 'hook, line, and sinker', e.g. the Official nato reich history of stalin era takes hrusch's revisionism at 100% face value
1920328;1561643302;asciilifeform;on top of this, add the fact that sovok was really 4 separate items, as diff. as e.g. roman 'kings' period vs republic vs empire : 1) lenin epoch 2) stalin 3) hrusch 4) 'stagnation' and wrap-up.
1920329;1561643375;asciilifeform;in each, 'wot' from previous epoch entirely rebuilt, most of the playing characters from prev. epoch -- exit stage.
1920330;1561643469;asciilifeform;( western reich, lulzily, also bought hook, line, and sinker into sovok's internal mythology of contiguity of 1-4 , a patently ridiculous proposition )
1920331;1561643562;asciilifeform;china -- did not buy. which is no small part of on the map there is still today a 'china', and not 37 bantustans or whatever the reich's replacement project would've consisted of
1920332;1561643570;asciilifeform;*of why
1920333;1561644302;asciilifeform;re: the memoirs -- ~90% of asciilifeform's bedtime reading for 10+ yrs nao. but found much moar value in the memoirs of ~people who did things, with own hands~, chemists, tank commanders, pilots, etc, than in the 'famous in west' power players, which invariably have the flavour of 'i am kako, once was great but unjustly dethroned, read my butthurts!'
1920334;1561644698;asciilifeform;asciilifeform's approach to sovology is based on simple fact -- we're speaking of folx who ~did things~. and specifically, they (1) went from agrarian shithole, on the level of korea circa 1900s, to industrial power equal to any in europistan ; repelled invasion of ~whole combined 'civilized' world, then built bomb to drive home the lesson for the unteachable (2) ; took concept of space flight from fiction to fact (also largely 2, th
1920335;1561644698;asciilifeform;o 3 took credit)
1920336;1561644765;asciilifeform;and in epoch 3, 4, whole orchestra of kakobreklas killed entire forests to print nonsense re how 'we did it ~in spite~ of the management', aha.
1920337;1561645411;asciilifeform;as for the peanut gallery folx, unsurprisingly idjit konsoomer likes to remember 'no jeans' but somehow prefers not to remember the 6 weeks of vacation, rent-free flat, or for that matter the culture of literacy where e.g. publication like 'kvant', with topology, theory of computability, etc. puzzlers , of top quality and for popular! audience
1920338;1561645457;asciilifeform;or for that matter the research culture that was the butthurt envy of entire 'civilized world' (as late as '90, pentagon spent $B's on translations, from which cribbed all sortsa material, e.g. 'stealth airplane' )
1920339;1561645512;asciilifeform;asciilifeform says : fuck the jeans. with red hot poker. i'll happily give back the jeans. gimme back 'kvant' and 0 rent.
1920340;1561645827;asciilifeform;as for the '80s denouement -- [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-13#1901972][see also thrd.]
1920341;1561645827;a111;Logged on 2019-03-13 20:42 asciilifeform: does anyone recall old thrd where mircea_popescu linked to a youtube clip of some idiot kid smashing up ancient car that his father gave him, 'cuz not mercedes' ?
1920342;1561646094;*;asciilifeform brb:teatime.
1920343;1561649209;asciilifeform;in re: e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-27#1920320 , i find the 'civilized' world's pov re sovok to be profoundly schizoid, and quite reminiscent of e.g. hitler's of the j00z -- i.e. somehow simultaneously 'imbeciles, incapable of constructive work' and 'devilish genius that controls world'
1920344;1561649209;a111;Logged on 2019-06-27 07:12 mp_en_viaje: but, fundamentally, what you ask for doesn't exist because the russkis are morons ; and not a little morons, as in neglectful. they're thoroughly and fractally fucked in the head, and thereby they've made for themselves such a history of the 20th century, ~through fucking living it~ as no sane human being could readily follow.
1920345;1561649278;asciilifeform;for half century whole 'civilized world' trained for replay of ww2, and shat pants with fear. of whom, exactly, of 'fractally fucked morons' ? who fears moron, and why ?
1920346;1561649344;asciilifeform;and for that matter, why is it possible for 'tomahawk', built by finest reagan-era 'civilized' beings, to be shot with rocket little different from what was designed during reign of stalin ?
1920347;1561649361;asciilifeform;esp. given where the latter 'by morons'
1920348;1561649942;BingoBoingo;Not so different from the cognitive dissonance that makes Pashtuns thing pants are shit over as they fight empire to stalemate on all fronts.
1920349;1561650028;BingoBoingo;The Pashtun stalement is enough to make Hilary O Bolton desperate to aggress a state adversary, any state adversary at all.
1920350;1561650075;asciilifeform;stalemate ?
1920351;1561650104;asciilifeform;afaik plain ol' checkmate. usg goes to afghan to pay tribute.
1920352;1561650511;BingoBoingo;I wouldn't call it quite a full checkmate. USG presently has a couple fortified points from which it can dispatch material for destruction thereby creating the "need" to buy more material to keep the MI bezzle loop looped
1920353;1561650546;BingoBoingo;And I suspect they are paying less tribute and purchasing more opium for the suburbs
1920354;1561650602;asciilifeform;iirc the forts are where tribute is being paid on schedule. elsewhere, wiped out.
1920355;1561650664;BingoBoingo;Well, is the CIA recieving its drugs or not?
1920356;1561650682;asciilifeform;i thought cia specialized in coca
1920357;1561650712;BingoBoingo;That is not what the overdose thing 2001-now suggests.
1920358;1561650727;asciilifeform;2001-nao, at least in usa, is typically on synthetics
1920359;1561650778;BingoBoingo;Well it started with the oxycodone and prescription stuff which got grossly restricted when the Afghan intervention started. The addicts turned to heroin.
1920360;1561650793;BingoBoingo;The recent synthetics is a Chinese move into the US market
1920361;1561650796;asciilifeform;(from usg's pov -- afghan was to be conquered so to expand supply of heroin into ru, rather than to bring across the ocean)
1920362;1561650843;BingoBoingo;Well, it was to expand the supply of heroin. The question of "Where?" changed
1920363;1561650882;asciilifeform;it has own idea of 'for where', perhaps. i suspect mp_en_viaje knows moar on subj, might say when wakes up.
1920364;1561650992;BingoBoingo;Anyways, it appears CIA has no qualms about marketing whatever drugs it can. During Nam they marketed heroin in the US as well. When they lost flights from SEA they went full bore into coca.
1920365;1561651049;mp_en_viaje;in other news, god i fucking love poland
1920366;1561651062;mp_en_viaje;i should prolly publish pics of this apt, it's something else too.
1920367;1561651083;BingoBoingo;<mp_en_viaje> in other news, god i fucking love poland << Land of tits and ass?
1920368;1561651085;BingoBoingo;brb
1920369;1561651092;asciilifeform;( fwiw i suspect that cia selling dope ~in usa~ really is 'employees using office equp. for personal gain', rather than political project. consider, you have fleet of seekrit planes, airstrips, 0 customs inspections, how couldja ~not~ traffic dope )
1920370;1561651144;asciilifeform;ohai mp_en_viaje
1920371;1561651179;mp_en_viaje;hola!
1920372;1561651193;*;asciilifeform pretty curious whether poland is naodays ~empty-but-for-usg-tank-brigades like baltics, or still populated
1920373;1561651225;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, it's the eastern hound, tall chicks, nice bone structure, some tits and ass but nothing latino/jewish
1920374;1561651242;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, absolutely not. us barely even figures here.
1920375;1561651249;asciilifeform;pretty sure last surviving j00z in pl died in 1980 or so
1920376;1561651254;mp_en_viaje;nah
1920377;1561651272;mp_en_viaje;much like "african"-american ie some douche who's 1/16th african, so "jewish" here.
1920378;1561651292;asciilifeform;lol like 'scottsmen' in usa
1920379;1561651301;asciilifeform;they have clubs & all, complete w/ bagpipe
1920380;1561651338;asciilifeform;a la http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-30#1876443
1920381;1561651338;a111;Logged on 2018-11-30 17:41 mircea_popescu: but yes, alladin carries a pretty fucking strong scent of "oh, hi, we're ohioan squarejaws wearing bedsheets. totally legit rome sir. rome, ohio."
1920382;1561652549;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-27#1920337 << the culture of literacy is possibly the largest lost point. yes, at a time on this very planet and within [http://trilema.com/2019/black-or-white-the-day-of-saturday/#selection-39.0-59.10][my own personal memory]. in ye glory days of the 70s you could, literally, stop people in the street with whatever interesting math problem, and they'd drop whatever the fuck they were doing and seek a solution out o
1920383;1561652549;a111;Logged on 2019-06-27 14:23 asciilifeform: as for the peanut gallery folx, unsurprisingly idjit konsoomer likes to remember 'no jeans' but somehow prefers not to remember the 6 weeks of vacation, rent-free flat, or for that matter the culture of literacy where e.g. publication like 'kvant', with topology, theory of computability, etc. puzzlers , of top quality and for popular! audience
1920384;1561652550;mp_en_viaje;f a very internalized sense of duty, like a saint bernard next to a freezing person. "this can not stand"
1920385;1561652646;mp_en_viaje;the typically ustardian notion that it's acceptable to not know, to not understand, to not care even was entirely unknown ; that "i dunno man, i just work here" typical redditism entirely repressed, socially inacceptable and universally deemed morally reprehensible.
1920386;1561652675;mp_en_viaje;(unless, of course, one was blue collar, with no university degree even. then one was not a person, simply put)
1920387;1561652721;asciilifeform;admittedly mp_en_viaje grew up in cluj and not in muhosransk. but the general pattern held. in sovok folx collected bottles, newsprint, to trade for buying b00kz.
1920388;1561652734;mp_en_viaje;right.
1920389;1561652796;asciilifeform;for the subhumans, rotgut was available in qty, made'em vehehery easy to distinguish from actual people from a cannon's shot distance
1920390;1561652837;mp_en_viaje;i once passed an exam (whatever, highschool term paper) because i introduced as a lemma a clearly absurd geometrical proof ("all straight angles are obtuse") and then on the basis of this 1=2 proceeded to prove the question at hand. the teacher a) gave me full points because couldn't spot the error in the absurdity and then b) took sick leave the next day
1920391;1561652844;mp_en_viaje;and THEN re=emerged 3rd day to ha-HA!
1920392;1561652875;mp_en_viaje;because the guy's loyalty was to the fucking truth of the matter, and to intellectual excellence, rather than to a 3 ring binder, and his petty habits and inhabituations of schedule.
1920393;1561652887;asciilifeform;i recall this tale
1920394;1561652894;mp_en_viaje;~THIS~ is very much a central aspect of such a culture of literacy
1920395;1561652910;mp_en_viaje;as opposed to a culture of whatever the fuck this "our company policy" bullshit is.
1920396;1561653082;mp_en_viaje;people cared deeply about obscure points of literary theory, topology, solid state physics and whatnot in a manner typical of the time, too -- greenwich village beatniks ~synchronously did ~same thing [minus, of course, a parental state to force them to also work]
1920397;1561653105;mp_en_viaje;(and, therefore, also minus numeracy, but w/e, colonies)
1920398;1561654772;asciilifeform;culture-of-literacy was pervasive, and such that is even difficult to describe to the uninitiated today. e.g. virtually ALL manufactured objects of any complexity [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-28#1905809][came with schematics], exactly like e.g. FG today
1920399;1561654772;a111;Logged on 2019-03-28 18:20 asciilifeform: when you bought a e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-15#1896849 , got moar schematics than ~anyone knew what to do with , right in the box . but when buy ipnoje, what you really buy is... what? the privilege to pay crapple for next 1 in 6 mo...
1920400;1561654794;asciilifeform;from 'volga' auto to bk0010 micro-pdp.
1920401;1561654900;asciilifeform;the last, iirc, western reich item asciilifeform bought that came with schems, was... commodore-64.
1920402;1561655057;asciilifeform;re philology i am less equipped to comment, but consider a typical philologic puzzler from 'science&life' in 1980s, from asciilifeform's own b00kcase -- here's a passage in $obscurelang (kazah, chukcha, chechen), here's defs of 6 words. nao answer these-here q's re the text...
1920403;1561655216;asciilifeform;afaik the last english periodical for intelligent non-professional who 'friends with his head' , was 'scientific american'. i have a set of these here, 1960-1990. pretty good, but no comparison with e.g. 'kvant'.
1920404;1561655323;asciilifeform;in re kindergarten education, otoh -- typical sovok schoolboy could draw a reasonably-exact map of europe, asia, americas. from memory. when was the time when western reich schoolboy could do this ?
1920405;1561655411;asciilifeform;i've spoken to coupla dozen d00dz in usa who went to iraq. all admitted to having had ~0 notion of where on the globe it was, prior to trip.
1920406;1561655443;asciilifeform;radius of error typically was such that could put asciilifeform's home town into iraq.
1920407;1561656752;BingoBoingo;In other news, yet another e-scooter livery spotted today to serve the almost non-existent market for such things
1920408;1561657094;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: why, i wonder, nonexistent ? chinese electrothing will take you across whole montevideo 3-4x on 1 charge
1920409;1561657122;asciilifeform;and w/out the smoke of petrol, or cleaning carb, swapping filters, oil, etc
1920410;1561657214;asciilifeform;iirc BingoBoingo once maintained small petrol engines, knows the hell
1920411;1561657229;*;asciilifeform recently swapped carb on grass cutter, took most of a day
1920412;1561657285;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The catch is these are the rent to rides and they charge by the minute.
1920413;1561657303;asciilifeform;aa ~those~ things
1920414;1561657308;asciilifeform;where you have to stand on a plank
1920415;1561657311;asciilifeform;ridiculous
1920416;1561657322;asciilifeform;i thought was re motorcycles.
1920417;1561657326;BingoBoingo;Essentially it is a reverse parking meter with wheels
1920418;1561657350;BingoBoingo;nah, the electric bike-ish things are slow coming in but I do see more.
1920419;1561657371;asciilifeform;those, actually make sense. small carb engines, suck.
1920420;1561657386;asciilifeform;and lithium phosphate battery nao pretty cheap.
1920421;1561657416;asciilifeform;they laugh at temp extremes, too.
1920422;1561657423;BingoBoingo;But the flood of electric shitboards is ~litter. No idea how any single one of the company expects to make ROI on them. Not with the casualty rate.
1920423;1561657453;asciilifeform;i dunget the appeal of the shitboard. why wouldja want to stand on plank ? i got tired of it as 5yo
1920424;1561657512;BingoBoingo;The only thing I can guess is that someone's burning "Venture" funds just to see what happens when they try turkey dollar expenditures
1920425;1561657693;asciilifeform;i suspect plain ol' orc stupidity, blindly copying usa fashions
1920426;1561657719;asciilifeform;is how, per mp_en_viaje's norway piece, they end up with 'yesterday's shirts' etc
1920427;1561658245;BingoBoingo;Well the first firm was "Mexican" second was Silicon Valley's "Lime" Haven't looked into the newest yet, but likely more Californitards
1920428;1561659991;mp_en_viaje;in all truth http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-27#1920343 is ALSO true. they're true symultaneously, ask me not "how can this be". it can be.
1920429;1561659991;a111;Logged on 2019-06-27 15:26 asciilifeform: in re: e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-27#1920320 , i find the 'civilized' world's pov re sovok to be profoundly schizoid, and quite reminiscent of e.g. hitler's of the j00z -- i.e. somehow simultaneously 'imbeciles, incapable of constructive work' and 'devilish genius that controls world'
1920430;1561659998;mp_en_viaje;somehow, it can be.
1920431;1561660006;asciilifeform;wave/particle lul
1920432;1561660009;mp_en_viaje;ikr.
1920433;1561660060;mp_en_viaje;also the epistemic sign of "we have no fucking idea wtf's going on there"
1920434;1561660117;asciilifeform;the strongest such sign of all possible.
1920435;1561660141;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-27#1920345 << strictly speaking, "imbecile" and "dangerous" not mutually exclusive.
1920436;1561660141;a111;Logged on 2019-06-27 15:27 asciilifeform: for half century whole 'civilized world' trained for replay of ww2, and shat pants with fear. of whom, exactly, of 'fractally fucked morons' ? who fears moron, and why ?
1920437;1561660155;mp_en_viaje;esp for the owners of china shops.
1920438;1561660165;asciilifeform;in theory. in practice, zulu not dangerous to china shop of london.
1920439;1561660263;BingoBoingo;Maybe not in 1819, in 2019...
1920440;1561660274;mp_en_viaje;(the reference here is : all dying cultures are china shops. they become reflexive as they become sterile ; no longer capable of distinguishing the important from the inconsequential, they aim to [http://trilema.com/2009/el-ingenioso-hidalgo-don-quijote-de-la-mancha-si-conul-andrei-pippidi/#selection-81.31-87.216][machinally "preserve"] themselves.)
1920441;1561660320;asciilifeform;i recall at one pt in mp_en_viaje's www there was 'mediocrity -- intelligence wholly consumed by self-preservation' or how it went.
1920442;1561660343;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-27#1920347 << you know, it's really not my fault sovoks couldn't actually stand the thing they built, 4 times in 50 years.
1920443;1561660343;a111;Logged on 2019-06-27 15:29 asciilifeform: esp. given where the latter 'by morons'
1920444;1561660358;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, it's still in the trilema byline rotation.
1920445;1561660362;asciilifeform;a
1920446;1561660397;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/06/most-of-the-us-pharmacopoeia-carries-dementia-risk-with-chronic-use/ << Qntra -- Most Of The US Pharmacopoeia Carries Dementia Risk With Chronic Use
1920447;1561660398;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: it's rather like to say 'rome couldn't stand what it has built 4 times'.
1920448;1561660398;BingoBoingo;^ Relatit, quick fix culture has a cost
1920449;1561660448;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, "dementia risk" as used there is simply the result of longer life spans. the brain decays, all successful medicine carries the risk of dementia in this sense.
1920450;1561660468;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, you seriously dun see what i'm saying, or are you just pissed off ?
1920451;1561660526;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: not the least bit pissed off. simply must point out that to frame as 'they could not stand' is mistake, it aint as if villagers with pitchforks swapped sovok-1 for sovok-2 , or 2 for 3, etc
1920452;1561660558;mp_en_viaje;no, nobody cares about the dorks outside oxford. the monkery itself, just gave up on its own shit. multiple times.
1920453;1561660563;asciilifeform;each went bust for reasons wholly unrelated to 'the beoble' and what they 'could/could not stand'
1920454;1561660573;mp_en_viaje;and it's not a technological discussion. it's a matter of philosophy, as in, internalized worldviews.
1920455;1561660653;asciilifeform;revolutionaries break vital organ -- mechanism of succession to throne. this almost always gives same pattern. ( and in that light, north kr, for whatever idiocies, is unusual and worth to study , is exception )
1920456;1561660656;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: In this case it seems to be dementia hitting at younger portions of the extended life span. Could be the ones affected younger are more defective. Dementia though tends to be a rot of the cholinergic system.
1920457;1561660683;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-27#1920369 << yes, but that's also all that's left of cia -- employees using for personal gain. much like sovok industry cca 1985
1920458;1561660683;a111;Logged on 2019-06-27 15:58 asciilifeform: ( fwiw i suspect that cia selling dope ~in usa~ really is 'employees using office equp. for personal gain', rather than political project. consider, you have fleet of seekrit planes, airstrips, 0 customs inspections, how couldja ~not~ traffic dope )
1920459;1561660750;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, exactly that's my theory : split 1 : a1 the ones helped / b1 the ones that didn't need help ; split 2 : a2 the ones demented ; b2 the ones not demented. the idea is a1 a2 are ~same, and in this context you can't pretend they're "a population". they're two.
1920460;1561660802;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo, mp_en_viaje : incidentally nicotine is iirc muscarinic ~agonist~ , and so suggests that from decline of tobacco comes guess what else
1920461;1561660839;mp_en_viaje;entirely possible, they'll end up with a pile of dementia as a result of smoke bans.
1920462;1561660885;mp_en_viaje;actual ~increase~ in cancer notwithstanding significant drop in smoking, so exact opposite of what was promised ; and also spike in dementia. sounds almost exactly like pantsuit awareness raising campaign.
1920463;1561660941;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: already 'ended up' . in usa already serious shortage of folx specializing in care of zombies
1920464;1561660972;asciilifeform;( 1 of the few rapidly expanding 'industries' in fact )
1920465;1561660998;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: I'm inclined to believe the split happens as described, but given the marketing of medicine in the US can't rule out some dorks taking benadryl for daytime allergies, Prozac for their sexless depression, and other benadryl for sleep chemically shaping their brain into dementia
1920466;1561661037;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-27#1920398 << and people read them, and sent observations in, and oft got responses. the one thing uniting http://trilema.com/2017/my-three-days-of-ai/#selection-8873.126-8873.288 and http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-22#1741883 is this culture of cluefulness.
1920467;1561661037;a111;Logged on 2019-06-27 16:59 asciilifeform: culture-of-literacy was pervasive, and such that is even difficult to describe to the uninitiated today. e.g. virtually ALL manufactured objects of any complexity [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-28#1905809][came with schematics], exactly like e.g. FG today
1920468;1561661037;a111;Logged on 2017-11-22 00:50 mircea_popescu: but take this forinstance : thorouyghly hated politician active these days MADE his own fucking ARO (70s romanian SUV). OUT OF PARTS. WHICH HE BOUGTH.
1920469;1561661075;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, entirely possible, i agee.
1920470;1561661107;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-22#1741885 word,
1920471;1561661107;a111;Logged on 2017-11-22 00:50 mircea_popescu: people did that sort of thing, back then. and all the fuckbook tards who paint the dude (rightfully or not, i don't give a shit) as the summum malum never as much as put together a fucking lego box.
1920472;1561661145;mp_en_viaje;and yes, sure as fuck my father's oltcit came with complete manual, incl parts inventory, description, etc. you could have MADE one, if had the cnc mills and patience.
1920473;1561661151;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: it was pretty common for sovok folx, of all stripes such that could afford summer house, to build w/ own hands
1920474;1561661161;BingoBoingo;Winner gene combinations and loser gene combinations, still either can be drugged into greater loserdom.
1920475;1561661167;*;mp_en_viaje still makes his own computers.
1920476;1561661189;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: i still recall a time when ~errybody with pc compat 'made' in this sense
1920477;1561661218;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-27#1920403 << precisely.
1920478;1561661218;a111;Logged on 2019-06-27 17:06 asciilifeform: afaik the last english periodical for intelligent non-professional who 'friends with his head' , was 'scientific american'. i have a set of these here, 1960-1990. pretty good, but no comparison with e.g. 'kvant'.
1920479;1561661221;asciilifeform;'why wouldja pay someone to screw in mobo, you don't have screwdriver ? or hands? what is it you dun have'
1920480;1561661224;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, it's still that time.
1920481;1561661263;asciilifeform;even the lappies here in torture room aint 'as came from factory', pretty much all needed nic swap at least
1920482;1561661298;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-27#1920406 << remember that shit when various ustards from atlanta were alarmed at russian invasion of georgia ?
1920483;1561661298;a111;Logged on 2019-06-27 17:10 asciilifeform: radius of error typically was such that could put asciilifeform's home town into iraq.
1920484;1561661305;asciilifeform;aaha
1920485;1561661329;mp_en_viaje;data scientists, architects and etc. what can you do.
1920486;1561661365;asciilifeform;hind-gut fermenters. (tm)(r)(al schwartz)
1920487;1561661379;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-27#1920417 << bwaahahahahaha
1920488;1561661379;a111;Logged on 2019-06-27 17:42 BingoBoingo: Essentially it is a reverse parking meter with wheels
1920489;1561661428;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-27#1920422 << whole of both oslo and warsaw littered with the abandoned shits.
1920490;1561661428;a111;Logged on 2019-06-27 17:43 BingoBoingo: But the flood of electric shitboards is ~litter. No idea how any single one of the company expects to make ROI on them. Not with the casualty rate.
1920491;1561661436;mp_en_viaje;i think people just step off and leave once out of charge ?
1920492;1561661457;asciilifeform;or when out of coin
1920493;1561661475;BingoBoingo;There's folks who come by with motorcycle-trucks in the night to collect them for recharging here
1920494;1561661500;mp_en_viaje;ah
1920495;1561661510;mp_en_viaje;well anyways, ima go nightlife.
1920496;1561661513;mp_en_viaje;bbl!
1920497;1561661521;BingoBoingo;Like clockwork, everynight, and everynight they come earlier for the scooters.
1920498;1561661531;BingoBoingo;Have fun
1920499;1561661570;BingoBoingo;But yes, whether a scooter got used or not during the day it is night collected for charging.
1920500;1561661730;BingoBoingo;Probably more money could have been had building them with a substantial column lock and marketing them for 18 cuatos of XXXX pesos
1920501;1561661783;BingoBoingo;But like US rental property disease, rarely have people paid (or declined to pay) more for less
1920502;1561661815;asciilifeform;who the fuck even wants plank scooter, aside from 5yo boy. even for phree
1920503;1561661838;asciilifeform;it makes bicycle look practical an' user-friendly
1920504;1561661978;*;asciilifeform bbl:ttime
1920505;1561667900;feedbot;http://bingology.net/2019/06/27/last-days-before-the-party-internal/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Last Days Before The Party Internal
1920506;1561671576;BingoBoingo;In other local news: https://www.montevideo.com.uy/Noticias/Uruguay-se-retiro-de-la-asamblea-de-la-OEA-y-senalo-vaciamiento-de-la-institucionalidad--uc722587
1920507;1561671592;BingoBoingo;"El subsecretario de Relaciones Exteriores de Uruguay, Ariel Bergamino, anunció este jueves el retiro nuestro país de la 49 Asamblea General de la OEA en rechazo a la presencia de una delegación de representantes de Juan Guaidó en la asamblea como representantes de Venezuela. "
1920508;1561717388;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, there's a disease of stupidity, "who the fuck wants tablet, makes smartphone look good, who the fuck wants smartphone, makes atari look good, who the fuck wants atari, makes ibm at look good" etc etc.
1920509;1561717395;mp_en_viaje;and yet, they do.
1920510;1561717411;mp_en_viaje;there is such a thing as evil in the world, and it's this preference for the worse of the underclass.
1920511;1561717578;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, lmao, the usg dept of state has an organization of imaginary states from the continent, taking "decisions" and whatnot ?
1920512;1561717599;mp_en_viaje;usg.cuba, usg.veneuela, usg.nicaragua etc met and agreed america! america! america!
1920513;1561722615;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, i intend to publish the q3 nsa report sometime today/tomorrow. technically early, but we don't have that much movement that anything'll get missed imo. do you have anything i don't know about has to go in ?
1920514;1561722852;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: ch20 ( i expect will wrap on sunday ). and how many ch since last broadcast? 3 i think
1920515;1561723025;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-28#1920508 << may have come up before, but : asciilifeform uses tablets. on what else to read colour scan b00kwarez in a hammock ?
1920516;1561723025;a111;Logged on 2019-06-28 10:23 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, there's a disease of stupidity, "who the fuck wants tablet, makes smartphone look good, who the fuck wants smartphone, makes atari look good, who the fuck wants atari, makes ibm at look good" etc etc.
1920517;1561728500;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: thinking about it, would also like to eventually proclaim the mips tool set as a snsa production. but prolly premature for broadcast.
1920518;1561728586;asciilifeform;( it's ~no good for anyffin practical until i bake a cuntoo or at the very least a clean buildroot for it, and won't get chance for a while, thing is on back burner )
1920519;1561728676;asciilifeform;there is also [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-06#1917567][the multipart primorial] experiment, large pile but not made it yet into proper series.
1920520;1561728676;a111;Logged on 2019-06-06 15:38 asciilifeform: for completeness : [http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/QgK4u/?raw=true][output from variant with only sections 1 .. 8 of the multiprimorial] ; eight 2048bit primes in 4m10.188s .
1920521;1561732070;jurov;asciilifeform: bicycles need care to prevent stealing. scooter you just take with
1920522;1561732082;asciilifeform;indoors?!
1920523;1561732085;jurov;sure
1920524;1561736418;asciilifeform;prolly this is where i oughta admit to not using any transport with <4 wheels
1920525;1561740461;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/06/uruguays-first-trans-senator-pleas-guilty-to-buffet-of-fraud-charges/ << Qntra -- Uruguay's First Trans-Senator Pleas Guilty To Buffet Of Fraud Charges
1920526;1561740472;BingoBoingo;^ small photo to minimize the lunch loss
1920527;1561745007;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, i dunno, i fucking hate hammocks
1920528;1561745030;asciilifeform;interesting, esp. for fella who lives in roomtempistan
1920529;1561745081;mp_en_viaje;i dunno who it's for, but incorrect weight distribution for my height, and elbow restrictive. wtf, it's like a sanitarium shirt
1920530;1561745089;*;asciilifeform likes, but can use only 2-3 wks / yr, that's how long is period w/out either cold, heat, or mosquito, here in this penal colony
1920531;1561745100;mp_en_viaje;possibly why you like it.
1920532;1561745112;asciilifeform;y'know they come in diff. sizes/shapes
1920533;1561745127;asciilifeform;can get for elephant, for cat.
1920534;1561745133;mp_en_viaje;yes, but they're still a scrap of textile hung from two points.
1920535;1561745142;asciilifeform;rope net usually
1920536;1561745173;mp_en_viaje;there's a reason there's not bridges made with no pontoons. at least not over anything you can't jump.
1920537;1561745193;asciilifeform;aint cr the land of famous rope bridges , 300m+ ?
1920538;1561745204;mp_en_viaje;and they suck.
1920539;1561745212;*;asciilifeform never had occasion to walk on one
1920540;1561745231;mp_en_viaje;i mean they're kinda cool as an "activity", but they're not real bridges, they're more like a niovelty.
1920541;1561745280;asciilifeform;naturally 'not real bridge', can't roll a train over it. i imagine the ones in cr were built by che guevara's partizans or somesuch, under cover of night
1920542;1561745679;*;asciilifeform wonders if ordinary hammock too much resembles that rope-and-iron-frames fixator mp_en_viaje described as having built for the pets, and from this can't stomach sitting on it himself
1920543;1561752161;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> aint cr the land of famous rope bridges , 300m+ ? << Peruana grew up with those things. She's not a fan.
1920544;1561755318;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, hahaha that's a thought
1920545;1561755552;BingoBoingo;In developing news, Mercosur and the EU signed some sort of free trade agreement today.
1920546;1561755669;mp_en_viaje;in similar news, currency exchange in poland requires no id.
1920547;1561761209;BingoBoingo;Nice
1920548;1561799302;mp_en_viaje;i just woke up in a roomful of passed out nude sluts
1920549;1561799304;mp_en_viaje;send help
1920550;1561804625;ave1;at time like these I wish I had a store full of good remarks in my head, instead of tons of ways to program a stupid computer
1920551;1561804670;ave1;after a week of failure, a day at the beach awaits
1920552;1561805025;ave1;I think I'm pressing the right buttons on this gcc build but it simply does not work
1920553;1561807001;mp_en_viaje;you will be mentioned in my current article which may have to also be my will.
1920554;1561807045;mp_en_viaje;also, anyone recall the logline where (iirc ben_vulpes ?) described alf being in some sort of oooh, it wasn't manticore, it was valkyrie.
1920555;1561807052;mp_en_viaje;where the fuck's the whole manticore thing coming from then ?!
1920556;1561818696;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: the manticore, was yours, was drawing on your www header, 'mp rides the manticore'
1920557;1561818798;*;asciilifeform if were drawn, prolly would be riding a tortoise or such
1920558;1561819124;mp_en_viaje;iirc that was a reference
1920559;1561820283;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/did-anyone-ever-notice-before-the-pierogi-are-shaped-like-a-twat-no-me-neither/ << Trilema -- Did anyone ever notice before the pierogi are shaped like a twat ? No ? Me neither.
1920560;1561821386;asciilifeform;a++ phototour
1920561;1561828693;BingoBoingo;<mp_en_viaje> where the fuck's the whole manticore thing coming from then ?! << During hanbot's missionary work to tardstalk, the manticore piece was one of the arts commisioned. Don't have the link on hand, but seems like a 2013 thing
1920562;1561829252;asciilifeform;[http://archive.is/yeMBu][meanwhile in heathen lulz.] (sent in by shinohai)
1920563;1561829330;asciilifeform;[http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/308C79ED32BB1D28E5F59EC4ADB2E56B1ED16614D3B4C737238FC3D169AF94B0][vintage bonus] re above ^ .
1920564;1561829543;asciilifeform;gotta luvv the limba de lemn, as well as the smoke bomb 'ooh it's about broken installations, not factorable moduli, dun listen to terrorists' and 'here's our fix, use our New, Improved, Curated keyserv at ftmea^HH^H^H^Hopenpgp.org' etc
1920565;1561830300;BingoBoingo;http://trilema.com/2015/ars-gratia-artis-sau-cum-era-or-the-function-and-the-functioning-of-art-part-deux/
1920566;1561835839;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile in local news and international observers: https://archive.is/6YMHN "Una delegación de observadores internacionales que arribaron a Uruguay para las elecciones internas de los partidos políticos fueron asaltados mientras cenaban en un restaurante" "Entraron cinco o seis encapuchados rompiendo la puerta de vidrio. Todos tenían revólveres y máscaras y algunos escopetas"
1920567;1561835865;asciilifeform;lol, 'helpers' deployed
1920568;1561838382;BingoBoingo;Also one of the minor ferry lines quit https://www.montevideo.com.uy/Noticias/Cacciola-confirmo-el-cierre-de-la-empresa-por-las-altas-tasas-y-la-devaluacion--uc722735
1920569;1561843265;BingoBoingo;In the saga of the worst sport, futbol. Uruguay was eliminated from the Copa America by Peru in a game where they put the ball in the goal three times during regulation play, none of which counted for various femstate reasons. Lost the 0-0 tie in a sort of coinflip dressed as a shootout.
1920570;1561844045;BingoBoingo;Apparently three of the four other quarterfinals also ended in 0-0 ties
1920571;1561845132;feedbot;http://bingology.net/2019/06/29/peso-watch-june-2019/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Peso Watch June 2019
1920572;1561847735;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-27#1920314 << too bad. the apparent mutual fixation of usg and ussg at their heights (and the echos of this in their dotage) persuades me that there was something special about both one upon a time.
1920573;1561847735;a111;Logged on 2019-06-27 07:03 mp_en_viaje: trinque, i do not believe you will find such a thing as a useful history of rus' 20th century in this language, like you have say a useful history of the latin centuries 3-5.
1920574;1561847780;trinque;the mircea_popescu/asciilifeform threads are probably the best source historians will have in 3-500 yrs
1920575;1561847923;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-12#1520093 << and so on
1920576;1561847923;a111;Logged on 2016-08-12 22:39 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-12#1519897 << yes, the us was inconceivably wealthy. i nthat 1985-1990 half decade / 5yrplan it could have literally convinced the globe to do anything. this is ultimate wealth. sadly they decided to use that capital to convince the globe "saddam had nuclear weapons" and "green energy/blabla ecolotardisms and assorted danquayleisms" instead.
1920577;1561849182;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-27#1920336 << I assume this means, among other things, that the statal terror (gulag etc) was a necessary part of the peasant-shithole to spacefaring transition?
1920578;1561849182;a111;Logged on 2019-06-27 14:12 asciilifeform: and in epoch 3, 4, whole orchestra of kakobreklas killed entire forests to print nonsense re how 'we did it ~in spite~ of the management', aha.
1920579;1561849195;trinque;I don't even disagree, just drawing it out.
1920580;1561849247;trinque;it's hard to see a way this organized statal terror doesn't become self-licking-icecream-cone, and evidently it did
1920581;1561849263;trinque;do you see this as a management failure, inevitability, inferior stock, other?
1920582;1561850577;asciilifeform;trinque: management ~success~. contrary to western reich Official histories, stalin in fact terminated the self-licking cone.
1920583;1561850718;asciilifeform;installed [http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=beria][l. p. beria] as grand vizier, who immediately beheaded the leftists who operated lenin's meat grinder, and amnestied 1/3 or so of total prisoner ( hrusch -- murdered beria, let go another 1/3 and took credit for whole thing, and repainted beria as 'cannibal' )
1920584;1561850833;asciilifeform;interestingly, however, meat grinder ~also~ success -- culled peasant herd ( exactly like england had to in 1700s ) and decimated the 'axe handles' in the professional officer corps ( buharin et al, quite ready to serve germany, england, france, in exchange for 'miami' )
1920585;1561850915;asciilifeform;at the risk of oversimplification -- if not for the corpses, ru today would not be easily distinguishable from india.
1920586;1561850924;asciilifeform;i.e. gigatonne of purposeless biomass.
1920587;1561851108;trinque;yep, this part is not in question on my end. uselessness must be filtered.
1920588;1561851196;trinque;it seems like the USSR and USSA narratives broke down at record speed, compared to predecessors.
1920589;1561851226;trinque;asciilifeform: what is it in your view that broke? simply succession? nobody could sit in king stalin's chair?
1920590;1561851253;trinque;(I could see this; fuck's sake, what an empire)
1920591;1561851253;asciilifeform;succession.
1920592;1561851310;asciilifeform;( and not merely because of the [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-27#1920455][obvious complication], tho it did not help -- e.g. peter also could not find a second one of himself to put in the throne )
1920593;1561851310;a111;Logged on 2019-06-27 18:37 asciilifeform: revolutionaries break vital organ -- mechanism of succession to throne. this almost always gives same pattern. ( and in that light, north kr, for whatever idiocies, is unusual and worth to study , is exception )
1920594;1561851409;*;trinque brb, dinner.
1920595;1561851510;mp_en_viaje;BingoBoingo, i thought that was a reference to something prior.
1920596;1561851555;asciilifeform;hrusch incidentally made the irrecoverable idiot move that set up sovok for kindermat -- began exporting petro & other diggables.
1920597;1561851631;asciilifeform;there might have been people who survived winning lottery, but afaik no empire ever did. 'easy money' -- ruin.
1920598;1561851689;asciilifeform;suddenly it 'doesn't matter' that throne is surrounded by sycophants and halfwits, industry run into the ground, etc. 'so long as the pipe keeps gushing'
1920599;1561851722;asciilifeform;is how norway, qatar, et al, ended up as they are.
1920600;1561851812;asciilifeform;on other end of ocean -- entirely possib that rockefeller's petro-era made possible (inevitable?) fdr & co.
1920601;1561852018;asciilifeform;consider, e.g. the persians. ~gigabux of petroexport, and yet when built fissiles refinery -- it ran on comp from 'siemens' and running winblows 'xp'. why ?
1920602;1561852066;trinque;could say life was too easy by the time the pipe gushed, but was the pipe not also gushing in mid-century US?
1920603;1561852088;asciilifeform;cuz evidently no one there can design a 1970s-style computer. or even thing about why. why think, why be friends with yer head, when petropayola.
1920604;1561852108;trinque;yet some methwitch got 3 dudes strapped to an ICBM and fired at the moon
1920605;1561852227;asciilifeform;phunphakt, carrier of sov. prototype of manned moon vehicle -- about 1.5x size of 'apollo' -- exploded on pad. twice (Officially.) and Officially 'for no reason'
1920606;1561852265;trinque;yeah, I'd buy the N1 sabotage hypothesis
1920607;1561852277;asciilifeform;usg philosophy, 'why grow cow, when i can burn down neighbour's barn' was already formed. couldn't carry 4evah, tho, so eventually grew cow.
1920608;1561852290;asciilifeform;reluctantly.
1920609;1561852324;trinque;I don't know about that. I'm meandering toward a point about narrative and the power thereof.
1920610;1561852378;asciilifeform;trinque: the Officially held sov-religion makes approx as much sense to innocent modern ears as, e.g. catholicism. it's imho largely a distraction from the meat.
1920611;1561852407;trinque;nah, what did the Men Doing Things believe in the moment, on either side.
1920612;1561852412;trinque;this is what'd be interesting to know
1920613;1561852442;asciilifeform;they believed roughly same thing as such people believe today. that it is possible to do things, and they're worth doing. 'act from principle'(tm)(r)(mp) & so on.
1920614;1561852520;trinque;act from principle yes, but there appear to be moments where the principles flow, heh, from princeps
1920615;1561852584;asciilifeform;spanish conquerors, pizarro, cortes, et al, had priests on board, exactly like sov submarine had 'polit'. and each Officially sailed in the name of jes^H^H^Hlenin etc. and priest ate and shat and with 0 to show for it. dun mean a thing.
1920616;1561852633;trinque;I doubt this because it conflates the hearts of men and grunts.
1920617;1561852657;asciilifeform;possibly it is possible to do without priest, pirate vessel had none. but pirate vessel also not carrying many conscripts.
1920618;1561852831;asciilifeform;upstack -- imho the rockets flew because overseen by folx who did not take seriously the religious claptrap of 'equality' and in fact believed that the purpose of small man getting to eat is to make possible the work of the great.
1920619;1561852868;trinque;this is what I suspect the two had in common when they were anything to speak about.
1920620;1561852879;asciilifeform;it's what all functioning 'great' had in common.
1920621;1561852897;asciilifeform;and when switches off, 'great' goes out like lightbulb.
1920622;1561853174;trinque;I would've earlier said that the ussa and ussr died quick because technology caused them to hit a complexity limit.
1920623;1561853183;trinque;now I want to say that they died because they made shitty gods.
1920624;1561853244;trinque;look at sad danielpbarron pulling the stick on yhwh
1920625;1561853247;asciilifeform;vikings had some imho quite spiffy gods. where are the vikings now ?
1920626;1561853306;trinque;heh, in all of north yurp, later sat upon by apparent better gods
1920627;1561853326;asciilifeform;incidentally i agree with their pov where 'do you think anything stands 4evah, idiot? all must die, men, kingdoms, worlds'.
1920628;1561853336;trinque;this also
1920629;1561853350;trinque;vikings and their spiffy gods got a great run out of it.
1920630;1561853447;asciilifeform;old - dies, and replaced by young. the least astonishing thing known.
1920631;1561853501;BingoBoingo;mp_en_viaje: I am suspecting it is a conference joke I missed http://trilema.com/2014/ca-tot-s-a-tras-tot-s-a-fumat-tot-s-a-baut-tot-cum-e-peste-tot-la-fel-ca-peste-tot/#footnote_2_54005
1920632;1561853797;trinque;danielpbarron: ftr your fixation when fucking is allowed and when it's the naughty is the saddest thing I've ever seen.
1920633;1561853802;trinque;*on
1920634;1561853862;trinque;you found your cock, congrats. I played a better christian dork in my teens than you've ever done.
1920635;1561854239;trinque;asciilifeform: why is it that revolutionaries must break the cycle of succession, rather than simply replace the wheel?
1920636;1561854323;asciilifeform;trinque: ru history knew revolutionaries who tried to carry on the algo of 'i am seekrit hidden pseudo-murdered heir of $monarch!'. some got pretty far, e.g. pugachev, but all ended up on chopping block.
1920637;1561854358;trinque;hm, so this is in-world magic that had to be undone. fatal then, for sure.
1920638;1561854373;trinque;stalin had 3 decades; that's time enough to beat on the head of a protege
1920639;1561854381;asciilifeform;he had protege -- beria.
1920640;1561854390;trinque;why didn't he end up in the chair?
1920641;1561854391;asciilifeform;didn't make the finally final exam, is all.
1920642;1561854424;asciilifeform;ended up. but -- and oddly to the uninitiated ear.. man was -- soft. he had a month or so to behead hrusch et al, didn't behead.
1920643;1561854426;asciilifeform;so lost instead his.
1920644;1561854541;trinque;soft because insufficiently head-beaten, or what was the weakness
1920645;1561854618;asciilifeform;near as, without time machine, i can tell -- spared'em because believed that his succession would be recognized by his peers.
1920646;1561854647;asciilifeform;it was not. they were waiting, patiently (or not, to this day no one ruled out poison) for the old man to die, so to claim their miamis.
1920647;1561854664;trinque;et tu brute then
1920648;1561854763;asciilifeform;hrusch et al , partook in all of stalin's works, the sexy and the unsexy, and murdered successor, and pinned the 'unsexy' on him, and on the dead emperor, and 'look, western reich, we are civilized folx! let us into miami'
1920649;1561854819;trinque;the miami meme is still a little lost on me, born as I was in FL, shithole supreme.
1920650;1561854827;asciilifeform;the mythological miami.
1920651;1561854837;trinque;but I guess it was permavacation to the outside, 80s partying
1920652;1561854866;BingoBoingo;Down here Miami is bigger than New York
1920653;1561854868;asciilifeform;understand, congenital disease of orc, is to envy the western rome, 'where streets are clean, lifts -- unpissed, women -- as on cover of 'playboy''
1920654;1561854912;asciilifeform;it's a shared mythology made possible in part by expert propagandists in w. reich , hollywood et al, and by orc's desire to believe in an earthly paradise
1920655;1561854920;asciilifeform;!#s vhs america
1920656;1561854920;a111;19 results for "vhs america", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=vhs%20america
1920657;1561854923;asciilifeform;^ see also
1920658;1561854992;asciilifeform;among thinking folx in modern ru , 'miami usa' is often derisively referred to as 'valinor' , after the distant land tolkien's elves decamped to when shit hit the fan in their world
1920659;1561855023;asciilifeform;( and, the folx who salivate for the miami -- nicknamed, unsurprisingly, 'elves' )
1920660;1561855265;trinque;BingoBoingo: like "someday I'll post such a great pic on instagram I'll have the likes to buy a flat in miami" or what
1920661;1561855536;trinque;asciilifeform: back on the subj of gods, ever read Jaynes' Origin of Consciousness?
1920662;1561855597;trinque;the operative hypothesis on my end is that 20th century powers invested their narrative power in men, and when they died, narrative died also.
1920663;1561855652;asciilifeform;trinque: did not read
1920664;1561855655;trinque;this isn't an implicit proposal to return to the past, just a finger pointing at the void
1920665;1561855680;trinque;asciilifeform: hypothesis is well summarized in a mircea_popescu trilema post I'll find
1920666;1561855712;trinque;http://trilema.com/2014/the-bicameral-world-in-one-room-the-city-dump-in-the-other-room-the-starred-restaurant-do-these-talk-to-each-other-read-on-to-find-out/
1920667;1561855824;asciilifeform;aand in n. stevenson's 'snow crash', for that matter
1920668;1561855843;trinque;you know, that one has been on my list too long. I'll move it up.
1920669;1561855896;trinque;but anyhow, perhaps humans stuck things in the gods that needed to mind the gap.
1920670;1561855923;trinque;and perhaps the "hurr god doesn't real, now I can masturbate in peace" thing isn't the best place to park the head.
1920671;1561856374;*;asciilifeform bbl:meats
1920672;1561858450;BingoBoingo;trinque: As in the place they fixate on as "having made it"
1920673;1561858459;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: really gets into the pathology
1920674;1561858477;trinque;yeh, heaven on earth is the most decadent shit I've ever heard.
1920675;1561858496;BingoBoingo;But all they know is the glossy print. Nevermind living in better places already.
1920676;1561858618;BingoBoingo;Miami's also the place where the folks with money here go shopping which probably ads to the mythology
1920677;1561868322;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-31#1916332][philology] : asciilifeform takes on ukrs : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/r8p4h/?raw=true
1920678;1561868322;a111;Logged on 2019-05-31 11:59 diana_coman: asciilifeform: fwiw I enjoy your non-programming output
1920679;1561868399;*;asciilifeform wonders if there's a ro version. pretty sure i heard e.g. latvian variant.
1920680;1561870762;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-29#1920572 << the mutual fixation was a matter of convenience. way the fuck cheaper for each retard in class to pick the other as "archnemesis" than to actually confront reality. there's a reason ignatius reilly / minka minkoff or w/e her name is are writing to each other.
1920681;1561870762;a111;Logged on 2019-06-29 22:35 trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-27#1920314 << too bad. the apparent mutual fixation of usg and ussg at their heights (and the echos of this in their dotage) persuades me that there was something special about both one upon a time.
1920682;1561870855;mp_en_viaje;socialism is socialism is socialism, ofcourse each relished their respective eastasias.
1920683;1561871121;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-29#1920588 << this is the substance of the whole [http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Amirc+%22rock%22+%22sov%22][jeans/rocknroll] discussion, as well as the theme of [http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Amirc+%22integrat%22+%22win%22][integration].
1920684;1561871121;a111;Logged on 2019-06-29 23:33 trinque: it seems like the USSR and USSA narratives broke down at record speed, compared to predecessors.
1920685;1561871188;mp_en_viaje;integration as a cultural phenomenon is catalized by communication infrastructure. always was, there's a reason medieval china collapsed in the arms of the steam-powered  brits, or "multi-milenary" korea in japanese.
1920686;1561871271;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-29#1920591 << the ~meaning~ of succession here is, "authority capable of predicating meaning was discontinued". it's not a matter biological, or political, but cultural.
1920687;1561871271;a111;Logged on 2019-06-29 23:34 asciilifeform: succession.
1920688;1561871359;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-27#1920455 << the reason i do not believe korea to be that interesting is that so much of their integration-resistence is built on deliberate blindness. if your computer is only safe if not connected to the internet, you don;t have an os of great interest. show it to be safe when online, then we'll have a talk.
1920689;1561871359;a111;Logged on 2019-06-27 18:37 asciilifeform: revolutionaries break vital organ -- mechanism of succession to throne. this almost always gives same pattern. ( and in that light, north kr, for whatever idiocies, is unusual and worth to study , is exception )
1920690;1561871472;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-29#1920596 << this is entirely practicable avenue of thought, seems to me.
1920691;1561871472;a111;Logged on 2019-06-29 23:39 asciilifeform: hrusch incidentally made the irrecoverable idiot move that set up sovok for kindermat -- began exporting petro & other diggables.
1920692;1561871680;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-29#1920602 << the us mostly used the oil domestically (for lack of practicable avenue of export, nobody nearby could afford to pay or had any use to it). pre-ww2 us is basically an exercise in doing the right thing by accident, like a man auditioning for the job of being the dirtiest man in the world having an accidental altercation with a garbage truck, six angry chimney sweeps and an oil slick onthe  way there.
1920693;1561871680;a111;Logged on 2019-06-29 23:47 trinque: could say life was too easy by the time the pipe gushed, but was the pipe not also gushing in mid-century US?
1920694;1561871724;mp_en_viaje;it's kinda comedic to watch, tbh. "here's a people god's chasing all over the map to put things in their pockets while they drool"
1920695;1561871763;mp_en_viaje;kinda the original substance of the "benevolence" thing : "we're too fucking stupid to harm anyone, honest"
1920696;1561871849;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-29#1920601 << iran is not "the persians". iran is the persians with a thin sliver of arabs pretending to rule them, like a sea cucumber you sprayed with latex exactly. the thinking portion hates the ruling portion, which is principally why they never get anywhere.
1920697;1561871849;a111;Logged on 2019-06-29 23:46 asciilifeform: consider, e.g. the persians. ~gigabux of petroexport, and yet when built fissiles refinery -- it ran on comp from 'siemens' and running winblows 'xp'. why ?
1920698;1561871899;mp_en_viaje;(not proposing here there's an organised thinking portion. but one day maybe they get a mp that cares and do organize, the 100% most likely to messiah place in the current world)
1920699;1561872188;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-29#1920605 << dude gtfo, that's the msot ridiculous thing i ever heard. period usg infiltration was at the http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-13#1520606 stage,
1920700;1561872188;a111;Logged on 2019-06-29 23:50 asciilifeform: phunphakt, carrier of sov. prototype of manned moon vehicle -- about 1.5x size of 'apollo' -- exploded on pad. twice (Officially.) and Officially 'for no reason'
1920701;1561872188;a111;Logged on 2016-08-13 19:01 asciilifeform: lel, did they write back to israel, 'stop sending niggerz with non-rusting staples' etc ?
1920702;1561872299;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: ~0 infiltrants, but plentiful miamiquislings
1920703;1561872324;asciilifeform;some of these still alive & can be met with right here in idiotistani suburbs
1920704;1561872337;asciilifeform;others - london etc
1920705;1561872385;mp_en_viaje;perhaps. it seems entirely unlikely it blew up through foreign agency. it seems perfectly likely it blew up through accumulation of failure. if a) you have an official error tolerance of 1% and b) your dying empire is calling 3.7% '1%" and c) you start stacking chairs more than 3 layers tall, well... it'll blow up x% of the time "inexplicably" every time, and the x is a function of the chair tallness.
1920706;1561872410;mp_en_viaje;in case of space program, chair tallness > 99, can blow inexplicably for 5-6k times before need for further explanation than this simple one.
1920707;1561872417;asciilifeform;recall belenko, stole last model mig for.. not even '30 silvers', or esr's 'millions', but for life diet of canned cat food
1920708;1561872444;mp_en_viaje;or put in other terms : soviet ship blew for exact same reason us ship blew, they just didn't have a feynman to chase politburo around with a beaker of iced seal rubber
1920709;1561872490;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: 'n1' was built at peak of sovok aeronautics, and on proven tech.
1920710;1561872499;mp_en_viaje;by a DYING empire.
1920711;1561872505;asciilifeform;notyet
1920712;1561872512;mp_en_viaje;which is why it's called ~peak~.
1920713;1561872525;mp_en_viaje;yes notyet. notdead yet. dying.
1920714;1561872552;asciilifeform;fwiw very similar vehicles are the bulk of today's profit fleet.
1920715;1561872552;mp_en_viaje;i don't dispute they could've done a better job of it. i am saying they weren't.
1920716;1561872558;mp_en_viaje;sure.
1920717;1561872593;mp_en_viaje;in the end our two explanation differ chiefly in the cognitive infrastructure you have to bolt on so it's not a case of russki idiocy
1920718;1561872635;mp_en_viaje;so there has to be this directed class of malfeasants and all that. i don't necessarily see it (i'm not saying you're provedly wrong, just, seems not needed extra premise).
1920719;1561872679;mp_en_viaje;fwiw i do not believe the morons who ended up on suburbs acted purposefully. they ~ended up~ there, as the just desserts of a life spent being derpy. they didn't derpy deliberately, they just derpy.
1920720;1561872701;asciilifeform;plenty of idjicy to consider. e.g. there was a fixation at the time on solid-powder propellants ( for obv. icbm pluses, keeps better in storage, no need to fuel ) with repeated shoddy workmanship, pressed schedules, messy fails
1920721;1561872724;mp_en_viaje;there's also a general choking of the future valve. but yes.
1920722;1561872892;mp_en_viaje;you know, just like the gay song says. "feeling good was easy Lord, when he sang the blues hey, feeling good was good enough for me, hmm hmm"
1920723;1561872924;asciilifeform;'feel like a trader'(tm)(tlp)
1920724;1561872981;mp_en_viaje;there's a succession of steps, in sovok. and one step's the peak. the difference between the step before the peak and the step that is the peak is precisely this : object went from "feeling good was easy whne stalin sang the blues" to "i'd trade all my tomorrows for one of yesterday"
1920725;1561873049;mp_en_viaje;all empires are empires of the mind ; and the problem with them is that one day comes, eventually, when feeling good's no longer easy at all.
1920726;1561873074;asciilifeform;when Official decree became 'copy from w. reich', all downhill. consider e.g. buran. or the sad pdp clones.
1920727;1561873122;mp_en_viaje;let's walk together into the oncology ward and sit ourselves down for a god damned minute and think.
1920728;1561873142;mp_en_viaje;the bird sings in the tree there as everywhere. but there, well... there it;s not calling anyone to anything.
1920729;1561873147;mp_en_viaje;it used to. but not anymore.
1920730;1561873169;mp_en_viaje;you wanna tell me the doctors; derpy "citostatics" are to blame ? they're just doing their job, tryna earn enough bread to follow the bird.
1920731;1561873177;asciilifeform;this model applies moar closely than, i suspect, mp_en_viaje suspects :
1920732;1561873179;mp_en_viaje;has entirely nothing to do with the broken old people scattered about.
1920733;1561873214;asciilifeform;sovok in the 'rockets & supercomps' sense was born, lived, and died with ~one~ particular physical generation of men
1920734;1561873238;mp_en_viaje;sovok didn't get cancer from the people trying to resuscitate it somehow, so at least it lives long enough the pension comes one more time
1920735;1561873250;mp_en_viaje;(you know the joke, with "we tied him on balcony" ?)
1920736;1561873291;asciilifeform;[http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877572][see also.]
1920737;1561873291;a111;Logged on 2018-12-01 21:29 asciilifeform recalls burial of grandfather, with orchestra, rifle salute, etc. and vague notion that various 'changes' all about are indeed connected with the disappearance of that gen
1920738;1561873611;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920627 << the permanence bullshit was uninteresting at all points. the important part is to make it fucking good while it lasts, which is why hitler, napoleon etc are way the fuck better candidates for "won at life" than whatever tedious episcopalian, boring cripple, wanna-be black man or w/e the shit the us keeps pulling out of its asshole.
1920739;1561873611;a111;Logged on 2019-06-30 00:08 asciilifeform: incidentally i agree with their pov where 'do you think anything stands 4evah, idiot? all must die, men, kingdoms, worlds'.
1920740;1561873643;mp_en_viaje;"oh, oh, drink less, you'll live longer". hurr.
1920741;1561873720;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920631 << dude you're fucking right, it WAS a conference joke most everyone apparently meanwhile forgot.
1920742;1561873720;a111;Logged on 2019-06-30 00:11 BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: I am suspecting it is a conference joke I missed http://trilema.com/2014/ca-tot-s-a-tras-tot-s-a-fumat-tot-s-a-baut-tot-cum-e-peste-tot-la-fel-ca-peste-tot/#footnote_2_54005
1920743;1561873808;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920635 << if they're worth the name, they break ~the structure of meaning~. then they don't manage to fix the breakage in time.
1920744;1561873808;a111;Logged on 2019-06-30 00:23 trinque: asciilifeform: why is it that revolutionaries must break the cycle of succession, rather than simply replace the wheel?
1920745;1561873935;mp_en_viaje;the problem with revolutionaries is that they're driven by want, not by possibility. leaving aside how what they want isn't generally what they need (as they manage to somehow discover what they need or else don't get mentioned by name, the set remembered by history is thereby selected for this trait), by the time someone figures out what the fuck it was they were doing... it generally happens at the orchestra&gunsalute funeral of one of them rev
1920746;1561873936;mp_en_viaje;olutionaries, and for bonus points it oft happens (eventually) in the head of one of the small children there present.
1920747;1561873939;mp_en_viaje;by then it's too late.
1920748;1561874072;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920632 << you're eliding the problem though. lookit : my solution of "cunt's always on, fucking's whenever blablabla" isn't substantively better. it's different, yes, it's a helluva more fun, sure, it's overwhelmingly more productive, of course, but it is still not much of a solution, and certainly not any better.
1920749;1561874072;a111;Logged on 2019-06-30 00:16 trinque: danielpbarron: ftr your fixation when fucking is allowed and when it's the naughty is the saddest thing I've ever seen.
1920750;1561874087;mp_en_viaje;to understand why not, gotta understand the problem he's approaching. then it's obvious.
1920751;1561874209;mp_en_viaje;the problem he's approach is simply that... [http://trilema.com/2011/erotoghid-pentru-femeia-adulta/#selection-53.471-61.72][the erect penis is the only element of limited supply]. there's an erection function, and it's discontinuous throughout the perception-of-time. wut do ? how to resolve this ? when yes and when no, how do you mesh the discontinous erection timeline with the (apparently continuous, wtf is sleep etc) consciousness timeline ?
1920752;1561874263;mp_en_viaje;telling a man with a problem "hey, your problem's not worth having" is a perfectly fine solution... for you. not for him. and so...
1920753;1561874334;mp_en_viaje;people can, and since can therefore often do, paint themselves in corners, intellectually (which "intellectually" means totally. because what more is there). newton is fixing alchemy and dpb is fixing the erection-timeline-discontinuity.
1920754;1561874372;mp_en_viaje;they're different inasmuch newton had the fucking sense to discover higher math first. but otherwise, men painted in corners are men painted in corners.
1920755;1561874375;asciilifeform;i dun recall any hint of dpb suffering the... problem described here , i.e. 'awash in cunt, how do i schedule it'
1920756;1561874395;mp_en_viaje;not at all the problem. he wants to know WHY.
1920757;1561874404;mp_en_viaje;why now ? why not then ? how could i know in advance when ?
1920758;1561874423;mp_en_viaje;there's of course no why, hence the problem.
1920759;1561874437;asciilifeform;why not also fixate on 'how to know when to take shit' 'problem'
1920760;1561874450;asciilifeform;somehow not problem for most
1920761;1561874456;mp_en_viaje;why the hell are you asking me, not like i train people to have these.
1920762;1561874472;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, but problem for some. it's neurosis, what.
1920763;1561874523;mp_en_viaje;but every married man eventually discovers this simple fact, that there she is, why aren't i fucking her.
1920764;1561874536;asciilifeform;i suspect it aint the one he has, fwiw, but rather the one in that jewish tale where rabbi tells man 'bring into your house the cow, goat, sheep, then chase'em out sometimes and rejoice in their absence'
1920765;1561874544;mp_en_viaje;"well, it's not the right moon phase" may be cheaper than "cuz i can't fucking get it up holy shit, how much is enough!"
1920766;1561874629;asciilifeform;all serious sufferers of 'acute christianosis of the cns' are flagellants. ride the highs, suffer the lows, like cocainists.
1920767;1561874645;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, indulge me. suppose you sit enthroned in your harem, and girly comes cuddling at your feet, like a cat. "master, please fuck me ?" now, your answer is gonna be no. this is a given, you simply can't keep up. and since it's a rational harem you're running there, she might inquire "but why not ?" and you say...
1920768;1561874679;mp_en_viaje;see, the actual girl
1920769;1561874700;mp_en_viaje;is NOT NEEDED for this nightmare to be a nightmare. you can be worried that if you say x she may say y whether she;s there or not.
1920770;1561874715;mp_en_viaje;in fact, for best results she shouldn't be there, the physical slavegirl may prove distracting to the neurosis.
1920771;1561874727;asciilifeform;i suppose it'd have to be 'i am old and studying for the grave, find new master' in this scenario
1920772;1561874750;mp_en_viaje;he has the problems i ~could~ have, because i don't. see ? makes perfect sense, i ride the highs, he suffers the lows. like labour division.
1920773;1561874761;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, why ? what, seriously ?
1920774;1561874786;asciilifeform;if not so, then why must answer 'no' to the gurl
1920775;1561874794;mp_en_viaje;if harems ended when the male couldn't keep up with the hussies they'd be in the periodic table, with the late actinids. lifespan measured in picoseconds.
1920776;1561874805;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, cuz you can't get it up lmao.
1920777;1561874890;asciilifeform;next i guess we can play the scenario where friends invite me to go but cannot go, 'eh, arthritis'
1920778;1561874960;mp_en_viaje;consider the facts : 1. a permanent erection is a medical emergency. 2. every single female can, in fact, fuck permanently. 3. there's more than one of them as per the definition of the harem.
1920779;1561874976;asciilifeform;it is inevitable to grow old, unless fortunate enuff to be killed. but it is not inevitable to go into neurotic arse-mouth linkage
1920780;1561874981;mp_en_viaje;your erection ratio is definitionally <1 while their cuntdrooling ratio is definitionally >1.
1920781;1561874983;mp_en_viaje;see ? problem.
1920782;1561875028;mp_en_viaje;and THIS is the neurosis, substantially, "that if she asks and i say no might as well tell her to find another one".
1920783;1561875040;mp_en_viaje;what, you think my slaves are enslaved by my fucking PENIS !?
1920784;1561875121;asciilifeform;the fella who sends away his harem and calmly swallows pistol is imho not thereby a neurotic. the neurotic is the one who dwells, and loses his mind long before loses body, on acct of dwelling
1920785;1561875167;mp_en_viaje;especially if there's no harem, even.
1920786;1561875209;asciilifeform;harem is far from necessary moving part in this gedankenexperiment.
1920787;1561875223;mp_en_viaje;neurosis is always this "what if" with an unsatisfied major premise. "what if my house burns down ?!" "do you have a house ?" "not yet..."
1920788;1561875247;asciilifeform;!#s kikos
1920789;1561875247;a111;0 results for "kikos", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=kikos
1920790;1561875250;asciilifeform;hmm
1920791;1561875258;asciilifeform;famous armenian folk tale re subj
1920792;1561875270;asciilifeform;there's a sov-era animation of it somewhere
1920793;1561875274;mp_en_viaje;there's lots of 'em, seeing how this is the principal eater of minds in peacetime
1920794;1561875299;mp_en_viaje;(amusingly, socialism not only requires belicose fantasies to maintain themselves -- but also dies by them. miami-ism is fundamentally the mindeater of wartime, cowardice)
1920795;1561875308;asciilifeform;little girl is sent to fetch water in the well, and comes back, 'mother , father , kikos , great man, has drowned!'
1920796;1561875332;asciilifeform;'who?' 'kikos. my future husband' and tells whole tale
1920797;1561875412;asciilifeform;in the end turns out she dropped bucket. and then imagined all sortsa...
1920798;1561875440;mp_en_viaje;girly should be married off.
1920799;1561875448;mp_en_viaje;it's time.
1920800;1561875450;asciilifeform;'and in fell his horse, and the whole army, and our three sons, who went to save'em...'
1920801;1561875452;asciilifeform;heh
1920802;1561875472;mp_en_viaje;you know ?
1920803;1561875522;mp_en_viaje;so at noon i was gonna feed this cute burlesque performer the girls picked up yest (long story), and i was hoping to get the nsa thing done in the meanwhile, but here i sit TWO HOURS LATER still going through the logs.
1920804;1561875527;mp_en_viaje;nuts logs tonight.
1920805;1561875557;asciilifeform;lol was maybe 20ln since mp_en_viaje last in
1920806;1561875567;asciilifeform;pocket-sized log
1920807;1561875568;mp_en_viaje;tough lines!
1920808;1561875572;asciilifeform;ha
1920809;1561875596;mp_en_viaje;just look what happened, will you ? 20 lines produced 500 and i'm barely into the next day.
1920810;1561875713;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-29#1920560 << incidentally, it's also very useful. "does your phone have interent ?" "yes" "give it here". then "what do you think this is ?" "looks like your slaves naked in the hotel" "ikr".
1920811;1561875713;a111;Logged on 2019-06-29 15:16 asciilifeform: a++ phototour
1920812;1561875763;mp_en_viaje;very quick answer to all sorta questions, i can get through like 5-6 [http://trilema.com/2018/must-suck-to-be-one-of-you-average-guy-with-a-great-sense-of-humor-losers-seriously-now/][normal people] "dates" in all of three minutes.
1920813;1561875777;mp_en_viaje;which is fucking beautiful, cuz it's precisely why i even made a blog in the first place, save my fucking time.
1920814;1561875945;mp_en_viaje;anwyay, to briefly revisit the "you found your cock, congrats" theme : people keep telling kids sex is a big deal, esp in the us. this unites it with freud-era vienna, where similarily. it's a losing move, getting kids convinced sex is a big deal ends up with too much garbage downstream, and especially very expensive garbage.
1920815;1561876010;mp_en_viaje;it is actually a much better play to tell them it's not a big deal at all and let nature take its course. deal with the teenaged mothers and whatever else, cheaper than trying to recuperate 30yo "religious" mind.
1920816;1561876302;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920640 << [http://trilema.com/2017/suddenly-last-summer/#selection-107.50-107.64][henry 2] also had heir. ever heard of john lackland ?
1920817;1561876302;a111;Logged on 2019-06-30 00:26 trinque: why didn't he end up in the chair?
1920818;1561876322;mp_en_viaje;being a heir is such a kiss of death... they almost never fucking make it, terrible thing to be, an heir.
1920819;1561876652;mp_en_viaje;in other coincidentals : for many years now the agarwood's been exhausted in the wild ; by now this is the most valuable agricultural resource. >100mn dubaloos / ton.
1920820;1561876888;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920642 << this theory has some problems ; one among many being that stalin was actually preparing to behead beria.
1920821;1561876888;a111;Logged on 2019-06-30 00:27 asciilifeform: ended up. but -- and oddly to the uninitiated ear.. man was -- soft. he had a month or so to behead hrusch et al, didn't behead.
1920822;1561876990;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920651 << it was born because all the latino chicks want to go there ; and from some observation of mine re the implicit capitol of a spanish empire that still exists in the minds if not on the map and so on.
1920823;1561876990;a111;Logged on 2019-06-30 00:33 trinque: but I guess it was permavacation to the outside, 80s partying
1920824;1561876991;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: what clues suggest it ?
1920825;1561877015;asciilifeform;( re behead of beria )
1920826;1561877055;asciilifeform;dun tell me it is on same hrusch.'evidence' as his cannibalism etc
1920827;1561877102;mp_en_viaje;how much revisionism are you contemplating here ? eg, "beria was so happy stalin '''died''' and prolly killed him" ?
1920828;1561877193;asciilifeform;the exact amt of 'revisionism' where 'let's subtract what hrusch et al concocted, see what remains', sorta like we subtract what gavin & co adulterated bitcoin src with
1920829;1561877215;mp_en_viaje;well, yes/no the above ?
1920830;1561877256;asciilifeform;admittedly this leaves very little written record to work with, the usurpers knew what they were doing, burned ~errything
1920831;1561877339;mp_en_viaje;and then you want me to tell you "what indicia". well wtf, answer some q's. the above, or "was stalin given rat poison" or "was beria popular or impopular in 1952" or SOMETHING
1920832;1561877361;mp_en_viaje;this position whereby "i discard all record for $cause" and then "what indicia do you have" is just obscurantism.
1920833;1561877419;mp_en_viaje;was beria i nfact the proponent of much more de-stalinisation than politburo was willing to take ?
1920834;1561877421;mp_en_viaje;there's a list.
1920835;1561877455;asciilifeform;re poison, the legend goes that stalin fell on floor after drinking from cup, no medical man was admitted into his chamber until well cold an' stiff, and when finally admitted -- cup gone. or some such.
1920836;1561877469;asciilifeform;i was not there, with time machine.
1920837;1561877563;mp_en_viaje;the whole "bald guy with glasses used to give girls a taste of life, gave stalin some rat poison, thought he'd make phriends among some really weary people who just perceived him as a lunatic" washes with me.
1920838;1561877585;mp_en_viaje;happens to also be more or less the mainstream theory, but anyways.
1920839;1561877774;asciilifeform;who gave the poison is even entirely other puzzler. ( 'mainstream' dogma btw is 'what poison!?' )
1920840;1561877789;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920660 << absofuckinlutely & literally. "stars", whole subculture, about half the girls that look like one could be bothered to fuck them sober.
1920841;1561877789;a111;Logged on 2019-06-30 00:41 trinque: BingoBoingo: like "someday I'll post such a great pic on instagram I'll have the likes to buy a flat in miami" or what
1920842;1561877824;mp_en_viaje;they have little magazines dedicated to mutual stroking of the achieve-envy-fail-gloat cycle, it's all there.
1920843;1561878233;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, check http://trilema.com/2019/no-such-labs-snsa-february-2019-statement/#selection-31.0-285.12 with me, so we actually had 0 movement of any kind throughout march, april, may, june ?
1920844;1561878241;mp_en_viaje;paid nothing, bought nothing, sold nothing, nothing at all ?
1920845;1561878349;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-26#1837808 << apparently this is so, colocation only comes due next month.
1920846;1561878349;a111;Logged on 2018-07-26 03:58 mod6: !!invoice mircea_popescu 0.22505299 S.NSA colocation (dulap) through June 2019
1920847;1561878409;asciilifeform;we havent bought an' sold , correct, in this interval
1920848;1561878449;*;asciilifeform would like to bake new batch of sellable goodies , after we release peh/ffa 
1920849;1561878484;asciilifeform;esp. nao that dpb, i suspect, will not long have his fg dealership
1920850;1561878659;mp_en_viaje;prolly a good idea.
1920851;1561878803;*;asciilifeform to bed, past 0300 here and full conveyor for tomorrow 
1920852;1561879147;mp_en_viaje;nn
1920853;1561882283;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/no-such-labs-snsa-statement-on-q2-2019/ << Trilema -- No Such lAbs (S.NSA), Statement on Q2 2019
1920854;1561907546;asciilifeform;sooo mp_en_viaje doesn't like running sovok fish counter circa 1991, where there aint any fish. and per the charter, owns in effect 100% of controlling shares, so entirely his decision.
1920855;1561907628;asciilifeform;asciilifeform will be sacked, will have to find a new place to receive 0.0000 paystubs with generous helpings of being shat on for working for a living in saeculum;
1920856;1561907693;asciilifeform;next mp_en_viaje will 'sack' the 30% of piz that snsa owns, an' take smg (the item that functions on proper schedule, like train station, where the employees actually paid and dun slave in saeculum) to heathen isp;
1920857;1561907726;asciilifeform;next will sack the remaining orchestra of folx who can't meet train station timetable on acct of slaving in saeculum;
1920858;1561907777;asciilifeform;next will sack... himself? and retire to memoirs ?
1920859;1561908741;asciilifeform;an' we did have a dress rehearsal, of a kind, for this, in '17.
1920860;1561908836;asciilifeform;personally i'd rather put fish on the fish counters, imho the resources for this are there. but it aint actually ~my~ fish counter, i just catch fish for it ( with no boat an' no net, but with bare hands. )
1920861;1561908916;*;asciilifeform would rather roll out gossipd, trbi, sane comp irons, etc. ~with~ participation of mp_en_viaje , and with working isp, than w/out. but may have to without, apparently.
1920862;1561908981;asciilifeform;i presume that erryone who wants to, knows where to find asciilifeform when he is sacked and '!rate -10 once was someone we liked, nao for the knackers' etc. erryone who does not -- plox to write in.
1920863;1561909464;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, come again ?
1920864;1561909467;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i'm at the tail end of the [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-15#1918246][necessary cycle], was gonna order the irons this wk, and book the flight -- next, but would first rather find out mp_en_viaje's plan
1920865;1561909467;a111;Logged on 2019-06-15 19:08 asciilifeform back to ffaism, after short 'vacation' . will order piz irons in coming 2wk, as the req'd fiatola piles up
1920866;1561909483;mp_en_viaje;i dun have a plan, i have a problem.
1920867;1561909495;asciilifeform;'in my country there's a problem!'(tm)(r)
1920868;1561909500;mp_en_viaje;well ?
1920869;1561909612;asciilifeform;pretty sure i described the available variants. what did i miss ?
1920870;1561909665;mp_en_viaje;"personally i'd rather put fish on the fish counters" << is this the available variants ? metaphore ?
1920871;1561909733;mircea_popescu;o gawd, feedbot sure had a hardon for me.
1920872;1561909847;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i like to work with mircea_popescu , and would prefer to continue, but as i understand was already proclaimed a lamer, and why would mircea_popescu want to work with a lamer ?
1920873;1561910012;asciilifeform;asciilifeform's original conveyor consisted of 'wrap peh to usability in battlefield by end of summer' and 'deliver irons to piz' (ditto, interval) . both on track atm. the former on track even if asciilifeform sacked, the latter will have to be reworked, if ditto.
1920874;1561910049;*;diana_coman read the article where it specifically says asciilifeform NOT sacked, nor to be sacked because that's nonsense given NSA's main purpose.
1920875;1561910063;asciilifeform;( next item was to be http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920848 )
1920876;1561910063;a111;Logged on 2019-06-30 07:07 asciilifeform would like to bake new batch of sellable goodies , after we release peh/ffa 
1920877;1561910072;asciilifeform;diana_coman: maybe he oughta be sacked ! who am i to say
1920878;1561910078;mircea_popescu;diana_coman, alf reads his own articles.
1920879;1561910183;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i dun have a wunderwaffe up my sleeve that'd allow me to work 4x faster, or wunderwaffe of such kind that 'do not sack, i have this-here wunderwaffe!'
1920880;1561910234;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, try and think about the actual problem being discussed, rather than some simpler problem you feel more at ease with and everyone else should be retarded enough to permit the replacement with.
1920881;1561910259;mircea_popescu;the core of that article is trinque 's lament, not your feelings as to the world and your adequacy in it. the man has a point -- large and round and not something we can afford to ignore.
1920882;1561910285;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if i've failed to apprehend the actual item, dun hesitate to elaborate, asciilifeform is grown-up and can be relied on not to cry
1920883;1561910287;diana_coman;I'm keeping silent because I'm at a loss as to how to get through to asciilifeform
1920884;1561910325;asciilifeform;diana_coman: also dun hesitate to elaborate. 'get through' re what? 'quit that day job, live on sunlight?'
1920885;1561910336;asciilifeform;i dun know how to photosynthesize, diana_coman .
1920886;1561910356;diana_coman;asciilifeform: no; get through that it's about communication not about amount of work put in.
1920887;1561910413;mircea_popescu;i dunno, atm im figuring some time and a re-read is the only ticket.
1920888;1561910468;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i presume 'communicate' dun look like e.g. [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919197][this] ?
1920889;1561910468;a111;Logged on 2019-06-22 13:39 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919162 << can't speak for other folx, but asciilifeform wrote 7 ch. of ffa thus far in '19 (featuring errything to do with primes, and all of peh, plus tutorials on the latter) and expect to wrap up 8th (# 20) before june is out.
1920890;1561910510;asciilifeform;loox like something else ? does diana_coman want e.g. the mips draft, what w/ some unknown % of bugginess ? for what ?
1920891;1561910542;asciilifeform;or a ch20 where the mistakes not fixed ? ( instead of proofreading, asciilifeform is having this-here thread... )
1920892;1561910567;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, it does not count. because it is ~retrospective~. this is how rocks communicate, "i can't speak for other hunks, but so far i hurtled three miles downhill"
1920893;1561910600;diana_coman;asciilifeform: no; and communication is both-ways, includes reading what others say not what the reader thinks.
1920894;1561910609;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how'bout e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-06#1917567 ? was announced in real time as it went.
1920895;1561910609;a111;Logged on 2019-06-06 15:38 asciilifeform: for completeness : [http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/QgK4u/?raw=true][output from variant with only sections 1 .. 8 of the multiprimorial] ; eight 2048bit primes in 4m10.188s .
1920896;1561910664;asciilifeform;diana_coman: what to do when readers are silent ? e.g. all i have re 2019 ch's is diana_coman's http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919204 , thus far.
1920897;1561910664;a111;Logged on 2019-06-22 13:46 diana_coman: asciilifeform: I did and I even found it easier than previous material though I'm not sure why;
1920898;1561910680;diana_coman;asciilifeform: when *you are the reader*!
1920899;1561910766;asciilifeform;diana_coman: plox to do asciilifeform the favour and spell it out as if he were the quasi-retarded 5yo that apparently all of the participants in $thread suspect that he is
1920900;1561910863;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920864 << asciilifeform the thing to do seems to be bias towards action. Get iron racked, but also get a mechanical people scoop going.
1920901;1561910863;a111;Logged on 2019-06-30 15:44 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'm at the tail end of the [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-15#1918246][necessary cycle], was gonna order the irons this wk, and book the flight -- next, but would first rather find out mp_en_viaje's plan
1920902;1561910901;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i rec to wait an' see what mircea_popescu et al say -- maybe asciilifeform is a tard and has no biz handling irons, maybe oughta shine shoes
1920903;1561910935;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920899 -> you just did it right here; tell me where exactly did I "suspect" such a thing; and see http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920874 .
1920904;1561910935;a111;Logged on 2019-06-30 16:06 asciilifeform: diana_coman: plox to do asciilifeform the favour and spell it out as if he were the quasi-retarded 5yo that apparently all of the participants in $thread suspect that he is
1920905;1561910935;a111;Logged on 2019-06-30 15:54 diana_coman read the article where it specifically says asciilifeform NOT sacked, nor to be sacked because that's nonsense given NSA's main purpose.
1920906;1561910994;asciilifeform;diana_coman: how to read e.g. http://trilema.com/2019/no-such-labs-snsa-statement-on-q2-2019/#selection-427.42-433.35 w/out drawing this inference ?
1920907;1561911037;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu aint wrong, most types of tree actually grow faster than asciilifeform's creations. not to mention on steadier schedule.
1920908;1561911081;diana_coman;asciilifeform: you tell me how can you draw "this inference" given http://trilema.com/2019/no-such-labs-snsa-statement-on-q2-2019/#selection-427.119-427.240 that specifically and directly contradicts it?
1920909;1561911103;asciilifeform;e.g. ffa , if counted from when asciilifeform first started the notebook and blew dust off knuth, is 3 y.o. nao.
1920910;1561911145;asciilifeform;diana_coman: '...and in time close this one down. Fundamentally, the problem with intelligent people is that their flaws are unfixable -- were they fixable they'd have fixed them by now, and since they didn't fix them before they're not gonna start at any later point, and certainly not because they like you or something.' ?
1920911;1561911255;diana_coman;asciilifeform: that's not an answer to my question, is it; there is that direct contradiction there, right? it can't just be waived because whatever and it precisely points at the fact that the problem is not about "sacking asciilifeform" really.
1920912;1561911517;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i'ma go to tea, and perhaps during this either someone deigns to cut the binomial into pieces that fit in asciilifeform's head, or will fit by itself, or not.
1920913;1561911526;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It seems to be that the problem is MP is stuck in a "Wat do?" loop.
1920914;1561911727;BingoBoingo;This loop is stuck, not because of the quality of your products, but because of the indeterminate schedule of your communications concerning the work. This problem shares a lot with the June 22nd worries http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919151
1920915;1561911727;a111;Logged on 2019-06-22 06:31 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-21#1919128 << yours is no small, but rather eminently the ur-update, not to mention transparently ~everyone's experience.
1920916;1561912122;BingoBoingo;As it is, there's no mention of the MIPS experiment on your blog. Last post is FFA Chapter 19. I suspect if put together a weekly or every other weekly "This is what I've done, here's what I am chewing on, here is what has yet to be bit off, etc" would calm some nerves
1920917;1561912354;BingoBoingo;Having the MIPS thing in the log is good, but taking good stuff out of the log for the blog to highlight and more easily find later is a value add.
1920918;1561912469;BingoBoingo;Log archaeology to follow old yet ongoing threads has a cost. Blog posts, even if they aren't substantially more than index cards manage to reduce the cost of substantially.
1920919;1561913611;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, looky, management is a rational activity. like medicine. when you go to the doctor's office, irrespective of what you say, he's going to seek the answer to a very specific set of questions, which he has pre-determined, and which he is not adjusting to you in any way -- on the contrary.
1920920;1561913704;mp_en_viaje;if you proceed to explain to him how you don't feel urine tests are an adequate measure of your kidneys, because they're made of light and so something with a stroboscope would be rather preferable, he's going simply output a mental health specialist recommendation. because he does not care what you say ; he does not care what you think ; the process you are engaging in by going to the doctor is not open to your intellectual contribution in the s
1920921;1561913704;mp_en_viaje;ense of revolutionarizing the fundamentals.
1920922;1561913746;mp_en_viaje;management is exactly the same thing : a rational process. it is for the same exact cause just exactly as disinterested in your personality, your worldview, or the mask you put on things to make it possible to get out of bed in the morning.
1920923;1561913781;mp_en_viaje;management is the art and practice of optimizing known processes, and of reducing all phenomena to known processes. that's all it is, and all it does. it is a mighty useful thing, too, but not for everyone.
1920924;1561914021;mp_en_viaje;management is only useful for rational agents, which is to say, they who do not expect to form some kind of personal relationship with it ; but instead use it, which is to say, permit it to operate upon them.
1920925;1561914082;mp_en_viaje;you have been, systematically if ineffectually (though i'm sure it looks exactly the other way from inside) attempting to escape management. this is an unhealthy state of affairs, and one that bars you from meaningful interaction with other people.
1920926;1561914115;mp_en_viaje;it's not a matter of "mp". it is a matter that, alf as he finds himself, incapable of any rational process besides retrospective description, is not actually in a place where he can do anything with anyone else. exactly like the given example of the fallen rock.
1920927;1561914241;asciilifeform;see, diana_coman , did not misread.
1920928;1561914256;mp_en_viaje;yes, i'm very much aware "asciilifeform would rather roll out gossipd, trbi, sane comp irons, etc. ~with~ participation of mp_en_viaje" etc. the problem here is -- you will do no such thing. what you will do, instead, is reconfigure your own desk into some sort of shape you and you alone deem meaningful, and that's all. because it is not POSSIBLE, for the man who can't say either "i will do this" and then do it, nor "i said i would do this, but d
1920929;1561914256;mp_en_viaje;idn't, so this is how i'll be different from now on", it is not POSSIBLE to do anything worthy of such lofty names as "sane computing" or even "programmed vcr".
1920930;1561914269;asciilifeform;incidentally to tie in old thread, http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919350
1920931;1561914269;a111;Logged on 2019-06-22 20:59 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919261 << what i find deeply irritating it's that it tends to be republican work that gets dropped in such situations.
1920932;1561914311;mp_en_viaje;you HAVE TO be able to work with others in order to make things. there's no way out of this. and you HAVE TO be able to plan, and execute, and review plans and executions, to work with others.
1920933;1561914375;mp_en_viaje;this is business 101, everyone who ever worked with people in any capacity understands it as a necessary part and parcel of what their life experience meant ; much like everyone who's ever been to the doctor understands that such contributions as "gimme the white round ones, they're the best" are not proper.
1920934;1561914465;asciilifeform;entirely willing to work with people, review plans, etc. but if mp_en_viaje declares ' i have snails here in terrarium faster than asciilifeform ' then i have no counter-argument, what sorta counter could there be.
1920935;1561914488;mp_en_viaje;if you bother to review the source material, you might discover that is entirely ~your~ contribution.
1920936;1561914512;mp_en_viaje;and yes, i get it, it irritates you to high heavens your work isn't moving faster. that's fine. but it is also not the topic here.
1920937;1561914770;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: then what was topic ? the lack of a per-ch release calendar ? [http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2735][attempted] already, all it did is to add to asciilifeform's reputation as charlatan. and for that matter i dun recall any successes among the other folx with day jobs re multiweek calendars for pro-bono worx.
1920938;1561914927;mp_en_viaje;this pos sure picked the time to be flaky
1920939;1561914941;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, you never discussed WHY it just added to reputation of charlatan. why did it ?
1920940;1561914953;mp_en_viaje;what are you doing differently to avoid it ?
1920941;1561914984;mp_en_viaje;wtf is this, "i don't like the way the tests results are coming out so ima impugn the lab" ? "i'm not fat, i'm just stressed and besides everyone this side of ozarks looks like this" ?
1920942;1561914986;asciilifeform;left off making promises which i dun have the resources to make good on, is all of it
1920943;1561914993;mp_en_viaje;gimme a break, the infantile copouts.
1920944;1561915013;mp_en_viaje;you;re supposed to LEARN HOW TO make promises. much like you were supposed to LEARN HOW TO manage BingoBoingo
1920945;1561915029;mp_en_viaje;not "run away to bedroom because nyah nyah"
1920946;1561915055;asciilifeform;waitasec, he's the chair, why asciilifeform is to manage him ?
1920947;1561915134;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920894 << nope, real time is exactly not it. exact same shiot as retrospective, really, purely irrational. to be rational, it must be PROSPECTIVE. science makes predictions not "in real time" or after tjhe fact. BEFORE the fact.
1920948;1561915134;a111;Logged on 2019-06-30 16:03 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how'bout e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-06#1917567 ? was announced in real time as it went.
1920949;1561915143;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, historically, because you draw the charter such.
1920950;1561915211;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo accepted the chairmanship, entirely in accordance with charter, when old chair abdicated.
1920951;1561915217;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920907 << do you grok the difference between astronomer, who says "tomorrow -- eclypse" and tree, which... simply grows ?
1920952;1561915217;a111;Logged on 2019-06-30 16:10 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu aint wrong, most types of tree actually grow faster than asciilifeform's creations. not to mention on steadier schedule.
1920953;1561915237;mp_en_viaje;asciilifeform, so your notion of pizarro is that it's self-managed now ?
1920954;1561915250;mp_en_viaje;you're like a copout goldmine, it's something else.
1920955;1561915304;asciilifeform;working from the literal text. where board, consisting of mod6 & asciilifeform , hired BingoBoingo as chairman, with mutual agreement of all parties ( and iirc encouragement of mp_en_viaje & co )
1920956;1561915316;mp_en_viaje;and what's he gonna do ?
1920957;1561915354;asciilifeform;issue decrees, consult viziers , execute.
1920958;1561915387;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: mod6 passed management of the month to month to me and left the chair on high for you
1920959;1561915444;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: he did ?! cuz actually mod6 is atm the majority holder, asciilifeform owes a coin ( to piz, and another 1/3 of coin to mp_en_viaje , will prolly end up having to break open cold store for it )
1920960;1561915460;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: iirc
1920961;1561915504;BingoBoingo;I am managing the day to day, month to month, but someone with capital has to represent the capital
1920962;1561915524;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: atm mod6 is majority holder.
1920963;1561915568;asciilifeform;structure of piz is convo that has to be had, but it is really 2 very diff convos depending on whether http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920862 or not, so prolly oughta be had 2nd, rather than 1st.
1920964;1561915568;a111;Logged on 2019-06-30 15:36 asciilifeform: i presume that erryone who wants to, knows where to find asciilifeform when he is sacked and '!rate -10 once was someone we liked, nao for the knackers' etc. erryone who does not -- plox to write in.
1920965;1561915734;mp_en_viaje;my memory of the discussion also seems to be that, in summa, alf was gonna learn how to manage others on the well tried hide of BingoBoingo .
1920966;1561915737;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920914 << this is rather a structural problem. we had, for years, a "foundation", pompously called nothing, that sat on its ass doing a literal jack shit for however many years until finally managed to bumble onto a collision course. we've had pizarro for years now, and this pizarro has as many customers today as it had yesterday, and last week, and last year -- minus dpb, i guess.
1920967;1561915737;a111;Logged on 2019-06-30 16:22 BingoBoingo: This loop is stuck, not because of the quality of your products, but because of the indeterminate schedule of your communications concerning the work. This problem shares a lot with the June 22nd worries http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919151
1920968;1561915741;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It is a different conversation, but there's a shared thread in http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920914 the communication problem
1920969;1561915741;a111;Logged on 2019-06-30 16:22 BingoBoingo: This loop is stuck, not because of the quality of your products, but because of the indeterminate schedule of your communications concerning the work. This problem shares a lot with the June 22nd worries http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919151
1920970;1561915743;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920914 << this is rather a structural problem. we had, for years, a "foundation", pompously called nothing, that sat on its ass doing a literal jack shit for however many years until finally managed to bumble onto a collision course. we've had pizarro for years now, and this pizarro has as many customers today as it had yesterday, and last week, and last year -- minus dpb, i guess.
1920971;1561915743;a111;Logged on 2019-06-30 16:22 BingoBoingo: This loop is stuck, not because of the quality of your products, but because of the indeterminate schedule of your communications concerning the work. This problem shares a lot with the June 22nd worries http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919151
1920972;1561915759;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: yer terminal is firing double shots
1920973;1561915773;mp_en_viaje;sorry about that.
1920974;1561915795;mp_en_viaje;internet goes shitty at the precisely useful moment, what can i do. eventually i get pissed off enough, step away, bbl.
1920975;1561915836;mp_en_viaje;and so following in this fucking vein, we had various hanger-ons being beheaded periodically, who tried to various things just as long as nothing useful, rebrand FG, make website for whatever, utter useless derpitude. deedbot wallet has today all the users it was born with and naught else. far, far from synnergy, and things ratcheting each other out of the swamp, as the grand design demands, we have mutually assisted insignificance on an epic sca
1920976;1561915836;mp_en_viaje;le.
1920977;1561915874;asciilifeform;mp_en_viaje: for my part 'would much rather people ask why there aint a statue to him, than why there is'
1920978;1561915888;mp_en_viaje;which yes, is not the problem of asciilifeform personally. nevertheless, the part where nobody can predict what the fuck's gonna happen and when is one of the strands i believe the ultimate failure aggregate's weaved from.
1920979;1561916010;mp_en_viaje;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920916 << nevermind fucking nerves. there is NO OPTIONALITY WHATSOEVER! management is this : "here's a, here's b, do we a or b ?". the whole implementation of rationality in human activity is based on fuckiong choice.
1920980;1561916010;a111;Logged on 2019-06-30 16:28 BingoBoingo: As it is, there's no mention of the MIPS experiment on your blog. Last post is FFA Chapter 19. I suspect if put together a weekly or every other weekly "This is what I've done, here's what I am chewing on, here is what has yet to be bit off, etc" would calm some nerves
1920981;1561916020;mp_en_viaje;retrospective description of activity is THE OPPOSITE of this.
1920982;1561916046;mp_en_viaje;because you can't go back in time and do anything differently ; if you're married to this "here's my narrative of what i've done", you're a worm, digging out wormholes through the wood or w/e.
1920983;1561916167;asciilifeform;then -- worm ? ( what does mp_en_viaje gain from working with worm ? )
1920984;1561916727;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i dun have with what to disagree with mp. he wants professional, well-scheduled performance, like e.g. asciilifeform's day job. and he gets it, from diana_coman , whom he employs fulltime. as for asciilifeform & the other 'hangers on', all they've to bring to the table is, i guess, worm shit ?
1920985;1561916874;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i can see his irritation , also, 2 other worms this yr have all but stopped giving silk -- mod6 , phf -- 'for no apparent reason'
1920986;1561916903;asciilifeform;oblig sov joak :
1920987;1561916942;asciilifeform;ww2. lieutenant observes that one of the mg nests under his command has fallen silent. he goes and asks, 'sgt. petrov, why is your mg silent ?'
1920988;1561916950;asciilifeform;'lt. ivanov, we are out of belts'
1920989;1561916977;asciilifeform;lt i. : 'but, sgt petrov, you are a member of communist party!'
1920990;1561916988;asciilifeform;the mg promptly resumed chattering.
1920991;1561917099;BingoBoingo;Well, you can try to make the hours that you have count. Proactive communication, bait folks with the problems you are chewing on. Get Peh battle ready and pivot to Pizarro and get an outreach machine going.
1920992;1561917136;BingoBoingo;With the aim of outreach machine eventually killing the need for fiat dayjob
1920993;1561917233;BingoBoingo;There's only so many hours and only so many erections
1920994;1561917275;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: suppose , for a moment, that asciilifeform issued weekly broadcasts. wouldja want to read the typical one ? because it is likely as not to consist of 'this week i spent 50hrs battling microshit, and 7 tryin' to load peh back into my greying head'
1920995;1561917397;asciilifeform;mp, for instance, [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919151][does not enjoy reading such broadcasts] and i dun think anyone else does either
1920996;1561917397;a111;Logged on 2019-06-22 06:31 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-21#1919128 << yours is no small, but rather eminently the ur-update, not to mention transparently ~everyone's experience.
1920997;1561917440;asciilifeform;soon enuff will discover that erryone (with exception of diana_coman) is -- worm
1920998;1561917773;BingoBoingo;This suggests the priority ought to be action towards killing the 50 hours of Microshit brain cancer, no?
1920999;1561917789;asciilifeform;if -- worm, then let someone else do what asciilifeform apparently - fails - to do, that must be done, and asciilifeform will go to where worms go.
1921000;1561917869;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: how ?
1921001;1561917906;mircea_popescu;god damn this pos.
1921002;1561917914;BingoBoingo;Well, the whole aim of Pizarro is to try to make money. S.NSA hardware for Pizarro, and an outreach machine for Pizarro would seem the avenue to liberate your time from microsoft.
1921003;1561917916;*;mircea_popescu apologizes to ppls for his in and out shenanigans. hopefully fixed now.
1921004;1561917951;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: no worries, lol, i cleared calendar, have time.
1921005;1561917963;mircea_popescu;trinque, coupla withdrawals ping.
1921006;1561918181;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920961 << basically, an abandoned ship, sailing randomly for as long as no rocks decide any better. sounds PRECISELY like the foundation.
1921007;1561918181;a111;Logged on 2019-06-30 17:25 BingoBoingo: I am managing the day to day, month to month, but someone with capital has to represent the capital
1921008;1561918185;mircea_popescu;did not work out for the foundation.
1921009;1561918186;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: re piz -- the mips item , i think i described, is so that ea. of the 32core boxen can be cut into 32 'you have root' properly isolated virtuals, which then can be leased to heathens w/out particular selectivity. but this requires not only for it to be finished properly ( it is on conveyor behind peh, which i explicitly promised to mp et al ) but for machine delivery to proceed.
1921010;1561918207;mircea_popescu;this is not a workable model. i won't even call it "business model", it has 0 to do with business.
1921011;1561918213;asciilifeform;if not proceed, then i haven't what to give. and mircea_popescu aint wrong, atm he is in person 90% of the customers.
1921012;1561918230;mircea_popescu;"atm". this atm stretched like cheese over the YEARS
1921013;1561918245;asciilifeform;1y 2mo
1921014;1561918258;mircea_popescu;i... suppose.
1921015;1561918310;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: If you have 7 hours that can either load Peh or get an outreach machine going, there seems to be an opportunity cost
1921016;1561918333;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i intend to first learn whether mircea_popescu even wants to run a worm farm.
1921017;1561918348;mircea_popescu;he does not.
1921018;1561918355;BingoBoingo;It seems like he wants us to develop legs
1921019;1561918385;mircea_popescu;if the idea here is, "show mp a good time", the average daily budget of the yurpean burlesque show attraction, a well built girl in her 20s, is <20 euros.
1921020;1561918406;mircea_popescu;just finished feeding one earlier today, pretty little thing.
1921021;1561918458;BingoBoingo;Having as we do finite erections and not infinite cunt, we don't have the right parts for mircea_popescu to beat us into having legs. We gotta start making our own legs.
1921022;1561918514;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920985 << it's not clear to me what the problem is ; it also does not make much of a difference what the problem is. i am not going to become usg.fed, underbooking everyone's everything.
1921023;1561918514;a111;Logged on 2019-06-30 17:47 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i can see his irritation , also, 2 other worms this yr have all but stopped giving silk -- mod6 , phf -- 'for no apparent reason'
1921024;1561918538;mircea_popescu;holy hell look at that, just as soon as getting the fuck alligned to reality is in discussion, what ignatius wanna do is resurrect greenspan. what the fuck nonsense is this.
1921025;1561918549;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, is there a bent nickle you made that i kept from you or something ?
1921026;1561918559;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: dun think anyone expects this. if mircea_popescu wanted 7 moar diana_coman's, for something, could have already hired'em
1921027;1561918562;mircea_popescu;get your ass in the fucking hustle rather than whining to me about how poor you are.
1921028;1561918566;mircea_popescu;make a dime, have a nickle.
1921029;1561918585;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i dun have any complaint to mircea_popescu re bent nickels.
1921030;1561918592;mircea_popescu;then wtf are you on about ?
1921031;1561918625;mircea_popescu;not like i;m sitting here on a pile of gold an' coin amassed through exploiting phf, mod6 an; poor little old you but won' tsplit the loot.
1921032;1561918645;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nobody's tryin' to expropriate mircea_popescu . ( not here anyway )
1921033;1561918662;mircea_popescu;then what, exactly, is the substance of your complain ?
1921034;1561918666;asciilifeform;fundamentally re http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919350  .
1921035;1561918666;a111;Logged on 2019-06-22 20:59 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919261 << what i find deeply irritating it's that it tends to be republican work that gets dropped in such situations.
1921036;1561918698;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920936
1921037;1561918698;a111;Logged on 2019-06-30 17:08 mp_en_viaje: and yes, i get it, it irritates you to high heavens your work isn't moving faster. that's fine. but it is also not the topic here.
1921038;1561918703;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu expects full-time pro a+++ work & reporting from folx who have 0-10 hrs/wk they managed to keep from the salt mine boss.
1921039;1561918725;mircea_popescu;eh, bs. reporting isn't some sort of chore that's to be shoved in the wasted hours, after "real work" was done.
1921040;1561918735;mircea_popescu;reporting is THE CORE of real work. not some bullshit side part. THE CORE.
1921041;1561918751;mircea_popescu;ikf you don't start with it, and build on it, you're not working, you're just wasting everyone's time, yours first and foremost.
1921042;1561918754;asciilifeform;but mircea_popescu also does not like empty report.
1921043;1561918761;mircea_popescu;dude...
1921044;1561918773;asciilifeform;e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919151
1921045;1561918773;a111;Logged on 2019-06-22 06:31 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-21#1919128 << yours is no small, but rather eminently the ur-update, not to mention transparently ~everyone's experience.
1921046;1561918788;mircea_popescu;human industry isn't this activity whereby orc sees field, goes RAAAAAA!!! and runs amuk in it, the results to be tallied later by forensics.
1921047;1561918795;mircea_popescu;that's orc activity.
1921048;1561918805;mircea_popescu;human industry is this ~deliberate~ approach to things.
1921049;1561918841;mircea_popescu;you whine about how windows computers don't tag memory and processes properly, but your own fucking head... doesn't tag either time or activity, is the idea here ?
1921050;1561918853;mircea_popescu;lisp that shit up, beotch. same exact fucking thing!
1921051;1561918927;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu still convinced that ' asciilifeform doesn't think it out properly ' rather than ' trying to take off 'cessna' weighing 2 tonne , loaded with 20 ' ?
1921052;1561918929;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920994 << you fucking read them, mother! you read them, for YOU to find out why you suck! jaysus. you think people write journals for the public ?
1921053;1561918929;a111;Logged on 2019-06-30 17:54 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: suppose , for a moment, that asciilifeform issued weekly broadcasts. wouldja want to read the typical one ? because it is likely as not to consist of 'this week i spent 50hrs battling microshit, and 7 tryin' to load peh back into my greying head'
1921054;1561918957;*;BingoBoingo remembers the time shortly before departing to Uruguay when he recieved a dispatch from danielpbarron during one of danielpbarron's then increasingly long bouts of silence. The guy declared to have a concrete plan to do the ISP thing in Brasil, contacted a datacenter and all, but made no updates into the logs about having done so. I thusly encouraged him to try the ISP thing, but he instead went the other way to Oklahoma.
1921055;1561918959;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, i know you don't. do you know how i know ? because you can't produce the items! if you had them, you'd have been having them by now.
1921056;1561919064;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: who, incidentally, ought asciilifeform to have been learning from ? which is the hero that, with full time salt mine, also 'has the items' and keeps the schedule etc
1921057;1561919074;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920995 << "enjoys" nothing, the world's not here for your enjoyment. that item was ~IMPORTANT~ because it permitted discussion, through being a basis for it.
1921058;1561919074;a111;Logged on 2019-06-30 17:56 asciilifeform: mp, for instance, [http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919151][does not enjoy reading such broadcasts] and i dun think anyone else does either
1921059;1561919087;mircea_popescu;who the fuck cares what anyone enjoys. i got the topless starlets to enjoy me out the wazoo.
1921060;1561919109;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform, so be the first, what fucking difference does it have. life can not proceed without modles ?
1921061;1561919185;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920999 << yes, eventually someone else will have to do all the things you do not do. you know this going in, or rather, coming out into this world. entirely unrelated and fucking uninteresting sidepoint, of the caliber of appending "a=a" to all sorta technical manuals.
1921062;1561919185;a111;Logged on 2019-06-30 18:03 asciilifeform: if -- worm, then let someone else do what asciilifeform apparently - fails - to do, that must be done, and asciilifeform will go to where worms go.
1921063;1561919225;asciilifeform;tried to be the 1st. and ended up with fg ( did it ever make back what mircea_popescu put in for us to bake it ? ) and a demonstrably-correct numerics stack that dun leak ( which apparently nobody wants to even read, much less use )
1921064;1561919234;asciilifeform;and isp where mircea_popescu is ~only customer.
1921065;1561919369;mircea_popescu;i am not concerned so much by whether fg made back or not.
1921066;1561919374;mircea_popescu;but fg was also years ago\
1921067;1561919380;mircea_popescu;and don't say "1yr2mo" ima smack you
1921068;1561919456;asciilifeform;i gotta go and do a meat chore for 2h or so. if mircea_popescu et al have specific q for asciilifeform , will answer when come back. if mircea_popescu says 'instead do x', i'ma see if i have with what. else would prefer to skip the 2017 ' mircea_popescu plays with his food ' and take the -10 sooner rather than later-and-wasted-errybodys-time .
1921069;1561919472;mircea_popescu;aite. ima be around in a coupla.
1921070;1561921513;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920872 -> what is for asciilifeform "work with mircea_popescu " ?
1921071;1561921513;a111;Logged on 2019-06-30 15:50 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i like to work with mircea_popescu , and would prefer to continue, but as i understand was already proclaimed a lamer, and why would mircea_popescu want to work with a lamer ?
1921072;1561923989;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1921064 << Let us try to fix this part. This is the opening to get your hours and boners back from Microshit. I find the saltmining forever assumption troubling. Digging for the manticore reference yesterday I got struck pretty hard with the melancholoy counting the years.
1921073;1561923989;a111;Logged on 2019-06-30 18:27 asciilifeform: and isp where mircea_popescu is ~only customer.
1921074;1561923990;BingoBoingo;Draw up some tea, take a walk, and give some serious thought to maximizing your return on effort with the aim of breaking out of the salt mine.
1921075;1561923990;BingoBoingo;Make a mission of it: 12, 18, 24 months to get out of Mordor and stop digging salt for the enemy. Strict http://trilema.com/2013/the-theory-behind-the-alternative-eve-corporation/#selection-445.0-445.447 on your way to a land with cheese.
1921076;1561923991;BingoBoingo;The disease afflicting the republic is that 2013, 2014 through 2019 and three figure USD bitcoin reported by heathens to 4 and 5 figure Bitcoin reported by heathens is that while a bunch of very cool tools have been made, there hasn't been much escaping from the bezzle.
1921077;1561923995;BingoBoingo;I brought up http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1921054 because it epitmoizes the Republican communication problem where despite ample examples, keeping everything "sooper top seekrit" until its absolutely "done" is the most losing strategy.
1921078;1561923995;a111;Logged on 2019-06-30 18:22 BingoBoingo remembers the time shortly before departing to Uruguay when he recieved a dispatch from danielpbarron during one of danielpbarron's then increasingly long bouts of silence. The guy declared to have a concrete plan to do the ISP thing in Brasil, contacted a datacenter and all, but made no updates into the logs about having done so. I thusly encouraged him to try the ISP thing, but he instead went the other way to Oklahoma.
1921079;1561923999;BingoBoingo;You work is of uniformly high quality and you have identified the obstacle to producing more of it. Let us try to pivot to action to blast the obstacle. Maybe the next quarterly S.NSA statement includes "To my pleasant surprise..."
1921080;1561924648;asciilifeform;holyshit i have an undocumented cat in the house.
1921081;1561924655;asciilifeform;somewhere. and can't find where.
1921082;1561924700;asciilifeform;( literally, the kind w/ 4 legs )
1921083;1561924843;BingoBoingo;Well, US pressed shitboard construction.
1921084;1561924894;asciilifeform;shitboard not to blame, i think walked in when door was briefly open.
1921085;1561924905;asciilifeform;i expect will make himself known eventually.
1921086;1561925178;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1921075 << we have slim but realistic shot of emplacing 32 heathens and reaching breakeven (counting BingoBoingo's food & pad) , per the outlined mips + irons plan. if mp goes home, however, and cancels his irons, even slimmer.
1921087;1561925178;a111;Logged on 2019-06-30 19:46 BingoBoingo: Make a mission of it: 12, 18, 24 months to get out of Mordor and stop digging salt for the enemy. Strict http://trilema.com/2013/the-theory-behind-the-alternative-eve-corporation/#selection-445.0-445.447 on your way to a land with cheese.
1921088;1561925236;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: fwiw i have coin enuff to run for another ~year (if no major swings in exchange rt) and then through. mg nest outta belt.
1921089;1561925348;BingoBoingo;There's one way to keep mircea_popescu from going home and that is action. Blades spin, clock ticks, can't walk backwards in time, etc... gotta start acting.
1921090;1561925406;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i'm all for constructive actions. but if the script calls 'beg for mercy' then it's through, asciilifeform is not into s&m and is grown man rather than pet chix, will not beg anyone for anyffin.
1921091;1561925473;BingoBoingo;Script pointedly does not call for mercy begging. Calls for you drawing some tea, taking a walk, and reflecting on how to maximize the return on your time outside the saltmines.
1921092;1561925490;asciilifeform;well i'm back from tea an' walk (to get, lol, moar tea.)
1921093;1561925586;asciilifeform;looking improbable that will put out ch20 today as proclaimed (charlatan!!11) but still not impossible.
1921094;1561925649;BingoBoingo;Anyways, break even may seem far away, but it is pointedly not the end. Break alf out of saltmines at some point needs to be on the table.
1921095;1561925833;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: for extra lulz, asciilifeform's salt mine detail consists of very similar thing to what diana_coman does ( unravel ancient cpp hairball, replacing w/ sanity, under the drums of Proper Management an' w/ regular parcels & report etc )
1921096;1561926294;asciilifeform;3y tour of duty an' counting. improvement over the prev, in that no commute and actually leaves some energy for actual work. but evidently not enuff.
1921097;1561926351;asciilifeform;( as i understand, e.g. mod6 , phf , are in even darker corners. )
1921098;1561926508;BingoBoingo;The evidence is mounting that any amount of salt mine is too much, gotta make the aim getting out.
1921099;1561926643;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: if i knew how to do it, would have done it in 2013 . earlier. it aint as if i have a bottle of 'get outta salt mine' behind glass, 'break glass', that was saving for some (what?) occasion.
1921100;1561926724;asciilifeform;i had -- a laffably small bag o'coin, nao 2/3 spent.
1921101;1561926757;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/06/trump-goes-to-north-korea-press-secretary-injured-when-reporters-aggressed-security/ << Qntra -- Trump Goes To North Korea, Press Secretary Injured When Reporters Aggressed Security
1921102;1561926762;BingoBoingo;Well, lets try to make Pizarro the thing that gets you out.
1921103;1561926923;BingoBoingo;Do you think you can take an hour this upcoming week to publish an outline of the MIPS thing and where you see it going on your blog?
1921104;1561926975;asciilifeform;if mircea_popescu & co. indicate that they'd care to read this, then sure. otherwise waste.
1921105;1561927018;asciilifeform;thus far afaik the only target application for the system in question is piz.
1921106;1561927066;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Not a waste at all.
1921107;1561927111;BingoBoingo;It's a thing to shove in people's faces. Do you want this, Y/n?
1921108;1561927130;asciilifeform;presumably if someone wanted, would've spoken up when concept was 1st sketched out in log.
1921109;1561927194;BingoBoingo;Well, if you sketch it out in the blog it'll be easier to ask strangers if they want it.
1921110;1561927277;BingoBoingo;Appears to be exactly the sort of bright crackpottery that might hook "thinking man" out in the wild.
1921111;1561927353;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 'thinking men in the wild' proposition resembling 'seti'(tm) moar with each passing day.
1921112;1561927402;BingoBoingo;Which makes the fishing all the more important.
1921113;1561927444;BingoBoingo;billymg and Mocky weren't here in 2016 much less 2013
1921114;1561927492;asciilifeform;to both of'em can apply ~same certificate of tardation as to asciilifeform
1921115;1561927533;asciilifeform;arguably Mocky , in mircea_popescu's school of thought, achieved much moar. but still apparently in glue trap.
1921116;1561927584;BingoBoingo;Or we can try to get you acting in a way that'll give you some legs
1921117;1561927837;BingoBoingo;At some point the ratio of conversations about "grandfather's pistols" to "our missile batteries" is going to have to improve.
1921118;1561927932;BingoBoingo;We've had tremendous buildout of tools, and that needs to continue. At some point we gotta use the tools.
1921119;1561928153;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i'm tuned in, but would rather answer concretes, and in pulsed bursts, to keep up snr. for nao will go to other terminal.
1921120;1561928202;BingoBoingo;Aite
1921121;1561929941;feedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2019/06/30/notes-on-graphics-for-eulora/ << Ossa Sepia -- Notes on Graphics for Eulora
1921122;1561930963;feedbot;http://pizarroisp.net/2019/06/30/pizarro-isp-june-30th-update/ << PizarroISP -- Pizarro ISP June 30th Update
1921123;1561935364;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1921068 << it's the same thing as two years ago, and i fear two years from now too : 1. write "i am going to X" ; then either 2a. do x or else 2b-1. explain why you didn't do x AND 2b-2 explain what you're going to do differently, ie, CHANGE, about yourself, so as not to be in the b branch again ; and then later 3. review how well 2b-2 has been working out for you and CHANGE SOME MORE.
1921124;1561935364;a111;Logged on 2019-06-30 18:30 asciilifeform: i gotta go and do a meat chore for 2h or so. if mircea_popescu et al have specific q for asciilifeform , will answer when come back. if mircea_popescu says 'instead do x', i'ma see if i have with what. else would prefer to skip the 2017 ' mircea_popescu plays with his food ' and take the -10 sooner rather than later-and-wasted-errybodys-time .
1921125;1561935472;mircea_popescu;this being the fundamental point here : if you're gonna stay the same, no need to even wait for me to rate whatever. just fucking walk away. the point of republican life is meaningful change, not herpderp, my own insanity is so much better than pete_d's or whoevers, notwithstanding they're both made of exactly same infantile substance.
1921126;1561935566;mircea_popescu;there's exactly no difference, you understand this, between an overgrown child who's tying polished stones to his wrist/ankle/whatever, an overgrown child who's spending all his time in bound fascination over his own erections, and an overgrown child who simply can not fucking organize, predict and review his own activity.,
1921127;1561935903;mircea_popescu;you're all sitting on the exact same piles of self-righteousness, too, it's something beyond parody. one dude's got the "suave exclusive" pile of veblens and is snickering at you other two, while the other dude's got his "truly truthful" pile o' divines an' is snickering a tyou other two, and you've got your single-path-impredictable-and-unreviewable theorems and snickering at them two. cuz nobody really understands the real
1921128;1561935903;mircea_popescu; weird in this one particular way, right.
1921129;1561935957;mircea_popescu;god fucking forbid you look at the damned things in the face, you might die or something.
1921130;1561936029;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1921070 << ever been on a date with one of those weird fucks who want to drive you there, cook the meal, feed it to you while holding the glass and then perhaps even fuck you (while you're passed out, preferably, so they get to move your legs and maybe even your lips for you with their own hand) ?
1921131;1561936029;a111;Logged on 2019-06-30 19:05 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1920872 -> what is for asciilifeform "work with mircea_popescu " ?
1921132;1561936114;mircea_popescu;we're watching tv, in the sense i'm to sit here and nod my head while he does the voices and jumps up and down through the livingroom.
1921133;1561936183;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1921072 << you know ? that chick was manticoring back before ~most everyone ever bitcoined, and exactly zero rubbed off. instead we're having "how dumb is hanbot!!!" festivals, because god forbid learn something from the one woman that knows shit none of us do. how about instead be so impressed with this one weird trick!
1921134;1561936183;a111;Logged on 2019-06-30 19:46 BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1921064 << Let us try to fix this part. This is the opening to get your hours and boners back from Microshit. I find the saltmining forever assumption troubling. Digging for the manticore reference yesterday I got struck pretty hard with the melancholoy counting the years.
1921135;1561936389;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1921077 << i for instance had little idea he was doing that.
1921136;1561936389;a111;Logged on 2019-06-30 19:46 BingoBoingo: I brought up http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1921054 because it epitmoizes the Republican communication problem where despite ample examples, keeping everything "sooper top seekrit" until its absolutely "done" is the most losing strategy.
1921137;1561936470;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1921086 << i'm not cancelling anything dude, nor have i. FOR YEARS.
1921138;1561936470;a111;Logged on 2019-06-30 20:06 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1921075 << we have slim but realistic shot of emplacing 32 heathens and reaching breakeven (counting BingoBoingo's food & pad) , per the outlined mips + irons plan. if mp goes home, however, and cancels his irons, even slimmer.
1921139;1561936487;mircea_popescu;now can we be done taxiing in a circle and start taking off already.
1921140;1561937017;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-30#1921090 << now that you mention it, i remember this weird theme from before, too. wtf ?
1921141;1561937017;a111;Logged on 2019-06-30 20:10 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'm all for constructive actions. but if the script calls 'beg for mercy' then it's through, asciilifeform is not into s&m and is grown man rather than pet chix, will not beg anyone for anyffin.
1921142;1561938008;*;BingoBoingo to take an overdue walk now that the wind is properly biting and "ballots" (fliers printed by the candidates) are being counted.
1921143;1561938219;mircea_popescu;enjoy