1883830;1546316130;Mocky;i've just started looking in charlotte recently lobbes. Other than passing on your resume if you're deemed worth, not sure a recruiter ever does anything on behalf of the the candidate
1883831;1546356466;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/01/qntra-s-qntr-december-2018-report/ << Qntra -- Qntra (S.QNTR) December 2018 Report
1883832;1546361804;mircea_popescu;well well, happy new year!
1883833;1546362071;diana_coman;happy new year!
1883834;1546364781;BingoBoingo;Feliz año/ano nuevo
1883835;1546368015;asciilifeform;happy ny folx
1883836;1546368772;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/i-dont-get-it/ << Trilema -- I don't get it...
1883837;1546371863;mircea_popescu;in random historical lulz : https://ia801607.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?zip=/32/items/NewsUK1977UKEnglish/May%2031%201977%2C%20The%20Times%2C%20%2360017%2C%20UK%20%28en%29_jp2.zip&file=May%2031%201977%2C%20The%20Times%2C%20%2360017%2C%20UK%20%28en%29_jp2/May%2031%201977%2C%20The%20Times%2C%20%2360017%2C%20UK%20%28en%29_0000.jp2&scale=2&rotate=0 (21 blacks arrested, responsible for >9/10 of street crime in
1883838;1546371863;mircea_popescu;south london according to "senior police").
1883839;1546371899;mircea_popescu;(item then resulted in "the battle of lewisham" chapter of british racial harmony lulz.)
1883840;1546385303;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-01#1883830 << In my experience they are only useful as conduits to job postings that you may not have been able to see otherwise.
1883841;1546385303;a111;Logged on 2019-01-01 04:15 Mocky: i've just started looking in charlotte recently lobbes. Other than passing on your resume if you're deemed worth, not sure a recruiter ever does anything on behalf of the the candidate
1883842;1546385306;lobbes;Besides that, I agree; I've yet to meet a recruiter who actually knew the job they were filling. For the most part they are just checking boxes on a list of 'keywords' the company's $hr-department gave them (and half the time that hr dept is also blindly following this list)
1883843;1546391141;BingoBoingo;!Xbuy 540mn 69 2k wired Filthy Fiats
1883844;1546391141;auctionbot;Buy order # 1027 created by BingoBoingo: 2k wired Filthy Fiats Opening: 540mn ecu Ending: 2019-01-04 10:08:07.710708 UTC (68 hours)
1883845;1546391206;BingoBoingo;^ Attn bidders, Pizarro fiat Auction for January is live.
1883846;1546408062;mats;inspired by mocky, http://matshome.net/2019/01/the-ice40-saga
1883847;1546409962;mircea_popescu;mazel tov.
1883848;1546411529;mats;and a special thanks to phf for his great www logger! i use it every other day
1883849;1546417782;mircea_popescu;i use it every day lol.
1883850;1546436724;asciilifeform;trinque: deedbot down ?
1883851;1546436982;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in heathendom oddities, https://archive.is/pTck2
1883852;1546443034;asciilifeform;mats: neat overview, in the style of 'why ada'
1883853;1546443088;asciilifeform;mats: i haven't built anyffing useful from ice40 with own hands yet. but, interestingly, when bought a 'scsi2sd' device for replacing disk in bolix box, found that author in fact used ice40 for the job
1883854;1546444321;trinque;I've noticed some problems with tls connections on openbsd using sbcl and cl+ssl, here and elsewhere actually.
1883855;1546444346;trinque;probably the thing to do is a) rip out the tls part and b) get deedbot hosted on cuntoo
1883856;1546445242;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/01/usg-mulling-90s-crypto-style-export-controls-on-ai-technology/ << Qntra -- USG Mulling 90's Crypto Style Export Controls On "AI Technology"
1883857;1546445740;asciilifeform;trinque: iirc the tls crapola is only there because fleanode went full tard coupla yrs back and demands it for nick auth
1883858;1546445768;asciilifeform;( plox to correct if i'm mistaken here )
1883859;1546447001;asciilifeform;trinque: hm, apparently i was wrong about this, it only demands sslism if yer using cloaks
1883860;1546447100;asciilifeform;if one absolutely insists on that feature, prolly Right Thing would be to patch bot so can hang off a znc ( i tried this with own hands, but failed, the existing item is apparently tailored to fleanode-direct connection )
1883861;1546447253;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the 'export ban' list is a hilarious read. ~nothing is ever removed from it, most of the thing was written in '80s-90s, and contains such items as fpga (afaik none are made in usa or have ever been, but somehow this dun stop the clowns) , and in practice seems to be used as 'lettre de cachet' against undesirables.
1883862;1546447436;asciilifeform;(for instance, not only 'buy in china, sell to france, while using reich bank' counts as 'export', but usg subjects physically getting up off arse and moving to wherever and working on 'controlled tech' also counts, etc)
1883863;1546448064;BingoBoingo;Well, sure. Thing starts as an ego inflation exercise: "Can't export because SOMOS NUMERO 1" Y despues ObamArgentina goes from un pais rico en Thalers Alemman to incapacity to export soy.
1883864;1546448218;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile in local news (Malvin again): https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/robo-en-medio-de-ano-nuevo-y-la-llamada-al-911-cronica-de-futbolista-de-wanderers-201912104932
1883865;1546450387;asciilifeform;in other noose, earlier this wk , asciilifeform tried to repeat http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2906 test , but using 'gmp', the 'uncut' version of koch's thing, with asmism etc. but lo and behold, it is apparently impossible to repeat the full test battery, because :
1883866;1546450402;asciilifeform;https://gmplib.org/manual/Integer-Exponentiation.html#Integer-Exponentiation >> 'void mpz_powm_sec (mpz_t rop, const mpz_t base, const mpz_t exp, const mpz_t mod) ... It is required that exp > 0 and that mod is odd.'
1883867;1546450427;asciilifeform;apparently Only A Terrorist (tm) would want to raise number to ~even~ power.
1883868;1546450487;asciilifeform;( i.e. loox like they use montgomery's algo. )
1883869;1546450604;asciilifeform;fwiw ordinary (no attempt at constanttime on their end) mpz_powm() , gives 0.005s . (so the asm does help'em.)
1883870;1546450613;asciilifeform;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/00ooZ/?raw=true << sores.
1883871;1546450650;mircea_popescu;for the record, https://archive.vn/pTck2 is exactly rude and nude http://trilema.com/2017/when-did-america-end/#selection-239.0-261.20
1883872;1546450661;asciilifeform;guten tag, mircea_popescu !
1883873;1546450670;mircea_popescu;if you get rid of the lower bottom, thus and therefore averages climb.
1883874;1546450672;mircea_popescu;heya alfie.
1883875;1546450706;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc auschwitz also had 'elixir of youth' effect on the folx who were still movin' in '45
1883876;1546450721;mircea_popescu;you know ? "i wonder how come all holocaust survivors live so long".
1883877;1546450727;asciilifeform;ditto gulag
1883878;1546450742;mircea_popescu;"i also wonder why all these rich folks gather round and laugh their asses at us, the goddess' chosen folk, all the damn time"
1883879;1546450747;asciilifeform;to the point that some folx used expression 'so-and-so was mothballed' (i.e. 'in conservation')
1883880;1546450789;BingoBoingo;Same thing happens with many cultivated plants. Application of the right and grave trauma (repeatedly in the case of fruit trees) does all sorts of wonders
1883881;1546450794;asciilifeform;( the gulag folx chalked it up to 'lack of vodka' for the most part tho )
1883882;1546450907;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: that's the usual heathen hypothesis (aka 'hormesis'). mircea_popescu seems to favour the other one (and seems moar plausible to asciilifeform) , where straight 'burn-in test'
1883883;1546450927;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Well, could be a little bit of both
1883884;1546450940;asciilifeform;could; i have nfi.
1883885;1546450989;BingoBoingo;Growing tomatoes back home the biggest bitch and mortality sink was hardening off the indoor started seedlings.
1883886;1546451027;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-02#1883857 << i suspect you might be able to get a plain connection going ; worth checking.
1883887;1546451027;a111;Logged on 2019-01-02 16:15 asciilifeform: trinque: iirc the tls crapola is only there because fleanode went full tard coupla yrs back and demands it for nick auth
1883888;1546451032;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in older lulz : https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20160603/11581934617/fbi-sends-computer-information-collected-hacking-tools-unencrypted-form-over-open-internet.shtml
1883889;1546451038;BingoBoingo;Plants tend to be huge pussies indoors. The survivors tended to do pretty well.
1883890;1546451052;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i have plain old tcp with 'pehbot' ( via trinque's cl proggy )
1883891;1546451055;asciilifeform;it dun use cloaks tho
1883892;1546451075;mircea_popescu;well, cloaks don't work in any absolute sense, anyway.
1883893;1546451083;asciilifeform;they're decorative, imho.
1883894;1546451103;asciilifeform;i dun see what, if anything, is lost if they were thrown.
1883895;1546451109;mircea_popescu;that they are. i mean nothing wrong with having, and it's an achievement for say nicoleci to get herself one ; but i wouldn't base design decisions on them.
1883896;1546451118;asciilifeform;aha
1883897;1546451175;mircea_popescu;anyway, what's the idea, nickserv rejects your call if un"encrypted" ?
1883898;1546451197;asciilifeform;iirc strictly if using cloaks.
1883899;1546451253;trinque;afaik they're just displaying the rdns in deedbot's case, isn't a cloak
1883900;1546451269;trinque;but yep, will get a build out without sslism and see what happens.
1883901;1546451476;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-02#1883866 << it says the ~mod~ has to be odd, not the exp. the exp nonzero.
1883902;1546451476;a111;Logged on 2019-01-02 17:33 asciilifeform: https://gmplib.org/manual/Integer-Exponentiation.html#Integer-Exponentiation >> 'void mpz_powm_sec (mpz_t rop, const mpz_t base, const mpz_t exp, const mpz_t mod) ... It is required that exp > 0 and that mod is odd.'
1883903;1546451489;mircea_popescu;patch out the test, i guess. they're "clever" like that.
1883904;1546451676;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: montgomery demands that mod an' exp be ~coprime~
1883905;1546451696;asciilifeform;how they enforce this, is apparently like this
1883906;1546451762;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i didnt try patching out the test ( given as it's got montgomery, the answer will be soup ) but did try for odd exp, got ~same~ as for the nonconstanttime gmp knob ( which is pretty hilarious, means that they dun do anything differently for 'constant time' variant, evidently )
1883907;1546451790;asciilifeform;at some point if i can be arsed to read their sores, will find out what, specifically.
1883908;1546451832;asciilifeform;the 'uncut' gmp is not afaik used anywhere in our mechanisms, with the exception of phuctor, where a (patched) variant is used for bernsteinization
1883909;1546451882;mircea_popescu;that's what i mean, they're "clever"
1883910;1546451961;asciilifeform;at some point i'ma do the bernsteinizer in straight asm. ( but this is ~9000th on the list of things-to-do atm )
1883911;1546452658;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-02#1883888 << the sores of the boobytrap leaked same yr, it was mightily disappointing ( no fancy trojan, but instead a little thing that sent back victim's external ip / winblowz ver / nic addr / etc, sorta like what microshit itself sends out when winblowz crash )
1883912;1546452658;a111;Logged on 2019-01-02 17:43 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in older lulz : https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20160603/11581934617/fbi-sends-computer-information-collected-hacking-tools-unencrypted-form-over-open-internet.shtml
1883913;1546452706;asciilifeform;these, apparently, counted as 'evidence'
1883914;1546453422;mircea_popescu;aha.
1883915;1546453482;mircea_popescu;i think of the various strange ideas you started off with, this "hitler is intellectually respectable, does great magicks" thing fared the worst.
1883916;1546453618;asciilifeform;eh the notion there from start was 'goodstuff is used sparingly'. but i've nfi where used.
1883917;1546453666;asciilifeform;imho e.g. diddled pgp rng, is moar interesting than firefucks buffer overrun, the latter is used 9000/d but for whom is used the former i have nfi, it hasn't publicly leaked.
1883918;1546453776;mircea_popescu;it's a democracy, dood, it has no conception of hierarchy.
1883919;1546453777;asciilifeform;it imho makes sense tho that the most idiotic/bruteforce-powered ( per naggum's http://www.loper-os.org/?p=165#selection-265.249-265.730 formulation ) usgisms, also leak the most .
1883920;1546453807;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: bureaucracy very much has concept of hierarchy tho.
1883921;1546453829;mircea_popescu;not at all.
1883922;1546453879;asciilifeform;ok i cannot resist to bite; how does this work
1883923;1546453909;asciilifeform;we're still talkin' of same thing, neh ? brit-style military bureaucracy. 9000 titles, chains of command, rigour 'to point of rigour mortis' ... neh ?
1883924;1546453969;mircea_popescu;no, we're talking of "we're all in this together and women may even be a part of it and we're not even gonna call them tailhookers, invent pompous nonsense like 'hr' and seat everyone at a table" bs.
1883925;1546453985;asciilifeform;this -- exists
1883926;1546453986;mircea_popescu;brit thing entirely unrelated to this.
1883927;1546454003;mircea_popescu;xx could at the very most be secretary.
1883928;1546454010;asciilifeform;it also seems to coexist with a cohort of folx hired in '60,70s,80s, greybeards, who actually built some working stuff
1883929;1546454037;mircea_popescu;so yes, implicit notion of hierarchy, xy > xx. no more than that, not really, but some hierarchy, no matter how fducking stupid, still beats none.
1883930;1546454062;asciilifeform;granted, scythe of 'father time' does impose an asymptotic bound on the whole thing. eventually usg will be 100% resemble staff of arsebook, google, etc, then curtain call.
1883931;1546454117;asciilifeform;atm it's some (unknown to me) % chetty's gen.
1883932;1546454156;mircea_popescu;hey, "nobody watches pulp fiction because [some anon schmuck claimed she was raped by] Weinstein", i actuallty heard this said (by some girly who never saw any movie worth the mention in her ~~~entire~~~ coupla decades. they say this, too, like it's a thing. "my whole life". )
1883933;1546454178;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, the last time anything worth watching had anyone from our colonies involved was... about then.
1883934;1546454220;asciilifeform;for asciilifeform , hollywood began (and mostly ended) with those bootleg vhs cassettes in 1990.
1883935;1546454244;mircea_popescu;cuz that is the fucking job of the producer, i don't care what "american moron's association" "trade practices" are. as long as it's a set, and something'\s shooting, the producer's job is to rape the talent.
1883936;1546454259;asciilifeform;iirc he even gets specially-issued leather couch for this
1883937;1546454290;asciilifeform;( in turn designed by freud... )
1883938;1546454321;mircea_popescu;preferably on-cam. the fundamental moment of cinema is when mr talking potatohead whips out a home-brought stick of butter and unexpectedly buttseks maria schneider over her amazed surprise. naught else.
1883939;1546454341;mircea_popescu;comfortable people don't do things worth watching.
1883940;1546454342;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: In their dreams, that's San Fernando. Hollywood jacks off into plants nowadays, per Miramax.
1883941;1546454557;asciilifeform;btw in other gmp lib lullities, https://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2018/12/31/1
1883942;1546454620;asciilifeform;( tldr : gmp not only relies on 'assert's to barf on various 'prohibited' conditions like even moduli, but barfs coredump ~with seekritz~ and ~cannot be switched off~ )
1883943;1546454948;asciilifeform;imho it's pretty hilarious, that the heathens think they have 'crypto libs' that 'work'
1883944;1546455456;mircea_popescu;what's hilarious is the ever-present http://trilema.com/2017/global-warming-on-triton/#selection-154.0-157.103 whereby they'll imaginarily seat themselves in my seat and start spewing http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-04#1809349 slash assorted nonsense about "homebrew crypto" lalala.
1883945;1546455456;a111;Logged on 2018-05-04 17:15 zx2c4: mircea_popescu: oh. so. "the world doesnt care about the cool hackers on the internet, but only the assholes with prestigious positions." this has been a widely known complaint for a long time
1883946;1546455470;mircea_popescu;AS FUCKING IF it is or ever could be the case ~they're~ the mp of this world or something.
1883947;1546455521;mircea_popescu;they've got a gpgcrash, a bitcoincrash, an everythingcrash. why don't you care!!!
1883948;1546455531;asciilifeform;it's the same old http://btcbase.org/log/2014-06-04#700916 algo, 4evah, neh
1883949;1546455531;a111;Logged on 2014-06-04 00:08 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.
1883950;1546455556;mircea_popescu;here, have a recent sample : AL_GA_Peach 26F Exploring "The message literally cuts off after whatever it is you’re. I don’t know not having all of the information is a mark against my intelligence but okay."
1883951;1546455585;asciilifeform;lol , 9000th ipnoje victim ?
1883952;1546455602;mircea_popescu;moar like 900`000th, but yeah.
1883953;1546455622;asciilifeform;curious, turdroid behave same ? or in fact displays ?
1883954;1546455624;mircea_popescu;"do we already have to DO this" conversation whereby who the fuck told mary sue moron she's the center of the world ?
1883955;1546455639;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's the app, not the platform.
1883956;1546455651;asciilifeform;aaa!
1883957;1546455663;asciilifeform;until nao i had nfi there were ~app~ lol
1883958;1546455667;mircea_popescu;doh.
1883959;1546455676;asciilifeform;i thought it was a www '2.0' thingie
1883960;1546455677;mircea_popescu;what do you think all those "jobs" out there are made out of.
1883961;1546455751;mircea_popescu;biquarterly i get a "but mp, you know how you could really improve trilema readership ?! MAKE IT AN APP!!!" "why ?" "because i have unexamined headcockroaches about the influence, importance and interest of social media" "how about we put your cunt on your linkedin and see how long until someone says something ?" "FAPFAPFAPFAP"
1883962;1546455838;mircea_popescu;then the INSTANTLY!!!!! turns into minutes, that turn into long hours and longer days, weeks and whatever, eventually the idea forms in the precious cuntlet's brainbox that no, just because she's never heard anyone call her stupid before dun mean jack ; and all this "consensus" of silence is in the end exactly that : a consensus OF SILENCE.
1883963;1546455870;asciilifeform;what 'jobs' made of << i'm still stuck in 1990s, where they're 'made of' winblowz bugs..
1883964;1546455881;mircea_popescu;yes well.
1883965;1546455932;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=388 << oblig vintagelul
1883966;1546456567;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: re 'homebrew crypto', there actually was a 1990s plague of commercial shitware folx who flunked arithmetic and then went to 'implement rsa', with exponent = 1 and so on
1883967;1546456591;asciilifeform;( the punchline is that koch, ssl, etc are ~in this set~ )
1883968;1546456691;mircea_popescu;yeah, and their name is collectively "koch" and "the gnu foundation"
1883969;1546456695;mircea_popescu;right.
1883970;1546456726;asciilifeform;there's 4 or 5 'libs' in common use (depending on whether count microshit's)
1883971;1546456771;asciilifeform;on top of these, 4 or 5 iron 'libs' ('smartcards', etc), where even sadder algos in use
1883972;1546457000;asciilifeform;i've actually found decent (not constant time, but didn't need, it only checked sigs) rsatrons in malware samples -- kB or so of asm. it aint exactly mystery, how to bake
1883973;1546457033;asciilifeform;the only folx for whom 'mystery' and 'requires' 50,000 ln of overflowlang -- are koch et al
1883974;1546457237;mircea_popescu;the L crowd.
1883975;1546457883;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, firefox zoom is GLOBAL. not per-tab. GLOBAL. holy shit what.
1883976;1546458819;asciilifeform;zoom?!
1883977;1546458878;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1883978;1546458924;asciilifeform;in other heathendom lulzies, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/mkN7r/?raw=true
1883979;1546459473;diana_coman;ahahah, the intro there sounds like the typical school composition
1883980;1546459757;asciilifeform;came with buncha 'sample' dox crapola, but near as i can tell it's a snoar
1883981;1546460106;diana_coman;trinque, how's it going with getting the Cuntoo .vpatch in fixed shape?
1883982;1546464076;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this entire, "anonymous" "deep web" etc is the cowboy hat and snap toy pistol of the 2010s.
1883983;1546464424;mircea_popescu;anyone even remembers those things ? long strip of ticker tape rolled up, with spots of gunpowder or w/e, phosphorus in the middle, pistol had a hammer that fell on the spot made some noise and some smoke.
1883984;1546464426;mircea_popescu;VERY AUTHENTIC
1883985;1546464657;BingoBoingo;I remember. They started to disappear from retail something around second grade when anything that wasn't Chicom plastic got purged from the walmart toy shelves
1883986;1546464679;BingoBoingo;There were indeed plastic versions for short time
1883987;1546464730;mircea_popescu;"too violent" or w/e, "insufficiently respectful of the cunt worlview"
1883988;1546464773;BingoBoingo;Well near the end they also switched from tape to rings of 8 charges
1883989;1546464782;mircea_popescu;the only problem is, kids running around with popguns are VERY easy for me to ignore -- witness the 0 import or effect of all the "bust a cap in yo ass" nigglet morons.
1883990;1546464812;mircea_popescu;so it'd have been preferable if retarded cuntspawn spent its days with THAT, rather than http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-01#1838623
1883991;1546464812;a111;Logged on 2018-08-01 03:03 douchebag: I'm in AT&T Hall of Fame
1883992;1546464845;mircea_popescu;#MoreRapLessCode ploxthx.
1883993;1546464930;BingoBoingo;Granted this was also the time fireworks went from roughly what the Latinos get today to something that required crossing the state line into Missouri for anything other than pussy sparklers and popcaps
1883994;1546466406;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-02#1883983 << i defo had various as a boy
1883995;1546466406;a111;Logged on 2019-01-02 21:27 mircea_popescu: anyone even remembers those things ? long strip of ticker tape rolled up, with spots of gunpowder or w/e, phosphorus in the middle, pistol had a hammer that fell on the spot made some noise and some smoke.
1883996;1546466436;asciilifeform;in '80s su they were obv. theatrics, but allegedly in earlier times they were sometimes made from 'de-mil' actual pistol.
1883997;1546466469;asciilifeform;( and even the theatrics, tended to be made of cast iron and quite realistic in mass, if not function )
1883998;1546466502;asciilifeform;the spring in toy 'nagant' notably, was quite possibly stiffer than in actual nagant which i fired many yrs later
1883999;1546466784;asciilifeform;https://archive.vn/xJRzH << famous piece on subj (ru)
1884000;1546466995;asciilifeform;'i remember all of my pistols. there wasn't a single one that i hadn't blown out my brains with at least once. we used to shoot ourselves often in those days. pistols and revolvers were indispensable toybox inventory, all kinds : on batteries, with buzzing motors inside, of tin, stinking of burned popgun ribbon, ones that merely snapped, emitted at least a clanking sound, and silent ones, where the throat was called upon to imitate t
1884001;1546466995;asciilifeform;he report. from the age of five, i knew what is 'last round' -- the little shining key that opens in your skull (or heart, tastes vary) the door to soviet Valhalla. the pistol always seems to me not simply a personal, but an intimate weapon, a tuning fork by which one measured resolve: put its barrel to your noggin, and think, will you be able to pull the trigger when the right time comes ? the warring motherland , surrounded by foes
1884002;1546466996;asciilifeform;, prepared her sons for officer duty from early childhood' etc
1884003;1546467055;asciilifeform;( followed by discussion of particulars, but imho this suffices for thread )
1884004;1546467304;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-02#1883990 << fwiw i dun distinguish the 2 kabikus, both -- snoar from asciilifeform's pov
1884005;1546467304;a111;Logged on 2019-01-02 21:33 mircea_popescu: so it'd have been preferable if retarded cuntspawn spent its days with THAT, rather than http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-01#1838623
1884006;1546467307;asciilifeform;*kabukis
1884007;1546467757;mircea_popescu;if nothing else the "online" is unhealthy.
1884008;1546467776;mircea_popescu;but there's more to it -- running around the hillside belongs in the fucking hillside, i'll just not camp there.
1884009;1546467836;asciilifeform;this yes. popgun kid annoys only own mother and perhaps neighbours. 'eternal september' kid, annoys '9000' with erry pop
1884010;1546467852;mircea_popescu;so there you go.
1884011;1546467871;mircea_popescu;besides, should fucking annoy her ; otherwise she'll want another.
1884012;1546467935;mircea_popescu;historically childbearing worked essentially as ~punishment~, which is a point readily elided by modern clueless schmucks.\
1884013;1546469432;feedbot;http://bimbo.club/2019/01/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-september-and-october-1715-part-i/ << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of September and October, 1715 - Part I.
1884014;1546473614;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu & other 'gnu screen' people -- anybody recall how to switch the thing to vt220 ?
1884015;1546473619;asciilifeform;the docs are shite
1884016;1546473669;asciilifeform;( asciilifeform is, shit thee not, engentooating a dec alpha )
1884017;1546473741;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform look into termcap macro thingee
1884018;1546473757;asciilifeform;yea digging into that pile o'shit atm
1884019;1546473773;asciilifeform;was hoping there was a simple 'vt220 rightnao' flag i overlooked.
1884020;1546473781;mircea_popescu;iirc it does vt100 nartively, believe it or not.
1884021;1546473796;asciilifeform;100 errybody does
1884022;1546473808;asciilifeform;dec otoh wanted to be speshulsnowflake and their firmware console is... vt220
1884023;1546473867;mircea_popescu;i suspect a large part of why i like it is that i never run into this kinda problem. i had to futz about ansi terminal standards literally never.
1884024;1546473878;asciilifeform;oh metoo
1884025;1546473894;asciilifeform;i only run into this when i pull ancient cursed irons from the dark depths.
1884026;1546473939;asciilifeform;i dunthink classic dec had this horror either (who the fuq! needs colour blinkies in a bios setup?!) , it's a post-compaq-acquisition box
1884027;1546473953;asciilifeform;( sadly all the fast 'alphas' are )
1884028;1546474019;mircea_popescu;people got really excited about the whole tv txt mode  or w/e that was called
1884029;1546474026;mircea_popescu;"i know, minitel worked so well, let's emulate it!"
1884030;1546475914;asciilifeform;for fucks sake, 1h later, still no go, not with 'screen', not with 'minicom', nuffin.
1884031;1546478339;asciilifeform;aaand got vt200ism to ~work -- but for display only. arrow keys still do nuffin. hence cannot toggle knobs.
1884032;1546478341;asciilifeform;open sores ftw.
1884033;1546478660;asciilifeform;aaand console, gentoo boots.
1884034;1546479955;mircea_popescu;impressive
1884035;1546479962;mircea_popescu;wait, is this gentoo or cuntoo ?
1884036;1546480892;mod6;How goes tmsr~?  I ~think~ that I have a working wp-mp now.  I've converted over my most recent blog post about diana_coman's V Genesis.  If you see something broken, or similar please let me know.
1884037;1546480897;mod6;http://blog.mod6.net
1884038;1546481237;mod6;Also, the latest Bitcoin Foundation report was published to the ML: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2019-January/000321.html
1884039;1546481254;mod6;Mainly outlines what's up next for me in January.
1884040;1546481855;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: vintage gentoo, for smoketest, afaik there is not currently a cuntoo for dec
1884041;1546481970;asciilifeform;aalso i spoke too soon, it stops mid through boot, dun see cd drive.
1884042;1546486139;mircea_popescu;i thought that was the substance of teh announcement :p
1884043;1546486166;asciilifeform;lol no announcement, moar of live microphone.
1884044;1546486600;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in heathen oddities, https://astr0baby.wordpress.com
1884045;1546498479;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i don't get it, what about it ?
1884046;1546499942;diana_coman;mod6, http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2019-January/000321.html gives me http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/aaNkK/?raw=true
1884047;1546509348;feedbot;http://bimbo.club/2019/01/part-i-if-im-lucky/ << Bimbo.Club -- Part I - if im lucky
1884048;1546527517;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884045 << heathen www, hosted on garbage hoster, but turned out to be packed full of useful retro-comp tidbits, is all.
1884049;1546527517;a111;Logged on 2019-01-03 06:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't get it, what about it ?
1884050;1546527582;asciilifeform;diana_coman: looks like ml not yet moved to pizarro, it's still hosted wherever it was that jurov had it
1884051;1546527596;asciilifeform;( lulazon iirc )
1884052;1546527875;diana_coman;I was under the impression it moved
1884053;1546528982;asciilifeform;loox like only the trb www moved, ml was on separate box, still needs moving.
1884054;1546530819;BingoBoingo;!Xview 1027
1884055;1546530819;auctionbot;Buy order #  1027: 2k wired Filthy Fiats Opening: 540mn ecu Leading Bid: None Ending: 2019-01-04 10:08:07.710708 UTC (30 hours 11 mins)
1884056;1546533184;diana_coman;asciilifeform, you broke all your links on your www to FFA code on btcbase when you changed the name of vpatches because of keccak vs sha: e.g. btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch7_turbo_egyptians/tree/ffa/ffacalc/cmdline.ads#L42 in Ch8 404s now because no ".kv"
1884057;1546533292;asciilifeform;diana_coman: hm , i thought phf had the older ones still in there
1884058;1546533303;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i'ma have to fix by hand.
1884059;1546533419;diana_coman;well, it's meant as replacement not as alternative so I don't see why would one keep the sha patches; onth replacement in place aka no name change doesn't break anything either
1884060;1546533517;asciilifeform;diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-26#1854819
1884061;1546533517;a111;Logged on 2018-09-26 22:00 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: prolly like most folx who actually work on proggies, asciilifeform has '9000' vtrees on various disk, on various boxen, that are in classical format, and many not even intended for publication, the ones that see daylight naturally will become newtype
1884062;1546533544;asciilifeform;but i'ma have to fix the links.
1884063;1546533581;asciilifeform;( will replace'em all to ch11-and-up-style links to gnathtml-generated snapshots. )
1884064;1546533630;asciilifeform;ty for the eggog report, diana_coman
1884065;1546533726;diana_coman;np; and yes, I know how/why .kv
1884066;1546534133;asciilifeform;btw, to round off yesterday's http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884041 , culprit is https://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-scsi/msg08419.html ( 12 yrs! and still not fixed, apparently. )
1884067;1546534133;a111;Logged on 2019-01-03 02:19 asciilifeform: aalso i spoke too soon, it stops mid through boot, dun see cd drive.
1884068;1546534178;asciilifeform;box is dead in the water on apparently all linux kernels since ~2006ish, and seems like nobody gives a fuck.
1884069;1546534587;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i fixed the links by hand, there were only a handful.
1884070;1546534600;diana_coman;asciilifeform, phf updated with my sigs for FFA ch7 and ch8: http://ossasepia.com/reference-code-shelf/#selection-627.0-665.43
1884071;1546534603;asciilifeform;plz lemme know if it turns out that missed one.
1884072;1546534609;asciilifeform;congrats diana_coman !
1884073;1546534624;diana_coman;ch8 was esp easy :P
1884074;1546534628;asciilifeform;diana_coman: any interesting finds/nitpicks ?
1884075;1546534662;diana_coman;apeloyee beat me to the cut; nothing else so far
1884076;1546534673;asciilifeform;aite
1884077;1546534678;asciilifeform;ty for putting in the sweat, diana_coman
1884078;1546534688;asciilifeform;currently yer the champ in ffaology.
1884079;1546534722;diana_coman;actually rather curious why doesn't apeloyee sign what he reads
1884080;1546534734;asciilifeform;this, i do not know
1884081;1546534758;asciilifeform;given as the fella didn't end up sticking to republic, i dun expect we'll ever find out.
1884082;1546534853;asciilifeform;btw diana_coman -- your earlier nitpicks made it in to 14b.
1884083;1546534877;diana_coman;cool; one day I'll make it to ch14b too, lol
1884084;1546534896;asciilifeform;no need to hurry.
1884085;1546534955;asciilifeform;ftr i very much appreciate all nitpicks, even purely stylistic ones, an explicit objective of ffa is to be not only bug-free but entirely clean of sharp edges, to the extent possible on the available irons.
1884086;1546534998;diana_coman;the trouble is that "sharp edges" are quite often operator-shaped as it were
1884087;1546535021;diana_coman;ftr I had to refresh a bit on Knuth Vol 2 at some point but I don't see that as a minus at all
1884088;1546535031;asciilifeform;almost always sharp edge is invisible to the orig author, who 'knows where not to run fingers'
1884089;1546535046;asciilifeform;hence the importance of other thinking folx giving the thing a thorough walk.
1884090;1546535096;asciilifeform;diana_coman: where at all possible, i tried to use ~simpler~ algo than what was given by knuth. e.g. karatsuba without moving pivots.
1884091;1546535174;diana_coman;if nitpick at all, the one thing that consistently nags at me (though for which I can't make up my mind as to actual solution) is the implicit reliance on indices to be in fact starting from 1 when copying stuff e.g. http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch7_turbo_egyptians.kv#L187
1884092;1546535264;diana_coman;asciilifeform, yes, it was rather basic stuff but the fact is that I read Knuth ~10 years ago so refresh was long due
1884093;1546535318;diana_coman;re nitpick: in my code I tend to keep to XS'First..XS'First+X'Length but it does make it ugly & long
1884094;1546535328;asciilifeform;diana_coman: where this appears, it is a concession to 1) speed 2) brevity of code . where the indexing of the array is known, because it is a local buffer, it is referred to explicitly; invocations X'First, X'Last, etc cost measurable cpu, it turned out. but where indexing is not known ( e.g. if operand may be part of a karatsuba ) , there it is unavoidably X'First etc.
1884095;1546535363;asciilifeform;as i've said previously, ffa post-ch6 is largely an 'uglification' to buy usable performance on pc.
1884096;1546535386;diana_coman;heh, talked in parallel there; I know and that's why I did not mention it at all at first; it was just because you asked for as much nitpick as possible, so now it's at least said
1884097;1546535395;asciilifeform;i took the approach where i built the thing maximally-compactly, and then proceeded in direction of 'now let's make it go in less than geological time'.
1884098;1546535406;asciilifeform;diana_coman: in fact i did ask; and happy to have it.
1884099;1546535467;asciilifeform;imho the de-facto convention i proposed is reasonable tho -- if the array is a local creation, and its indexing is known, then to refer to it explicitly is permissible. otherwise, not.
1884100;1546535495;asciilifeform;if diana_coman et al find instance where i deviated from said convention ( and not fixed in current spearhead ) -- i would like to know about it.
1884101;1546535569;asciilifeform;btw no doubt must remain whatsoever re this point in the mind of anyone contemplating switching off the range checks in their build (this buys ~2x 'phree' speedup)
1884102;1546535673;asciilifeform;diana_coman: when you read ch10, you will find that i had to rewrite some of the basic arithm logic, so as to remove dependence on indexing.
1884103;1546535758;asciilifeform;when i started with adaism, i initially found the preservation of indexing in array-slices annoying. but then saw the wisdom, it whips programmer into having a much firmer grasp of wtf he is doing.
1884104;1546535879;asciilifeform;( it also buys the ability to know where in array you are, without 'pointerisms' )
1884105;1546536179;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/01/usg-today-two-years-of-divided-congress-begins-partial-shutdown-continues-while-trump-remains-unfulfilled/ << Qntra -- USG Today: Two Years Of Divided Congress Begins, Partial Shutdown Continues While Trump Remains Unfulfilled
1884106;1546537802;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/01/france-macron-arrests-particularly-loud-yellow-jacket-protestor-demands-french-people-in-france-submit-to-foreign-world-order/ << Qntra -- France: Macron Arrests Particularly Loud Yellow Jacket Protestor, Demands French People In France Submit To Foreign World Order
1884107;1546540383;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884066 << aand to properly round off the thread, that box nao runs openbsd ( which worx 100% ) , for nao.
1884108;1546540383;a111;Logged on 2019-01-03 16:48 asciilifeform: btw, to round off yesterday's http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884041 , culprit is https://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-scsi/msg08419.html ( 12 yrs! and still not fixed, apparently. )
1884109;1546540425;asciilifeform;that thing has stupendously loud hdd, incidentally -- i can hear it from three rooms.
1884110;1546540469;mircea_popescu;jesus that was the era of loud hdds
1884111;1546540478;asciilifeform;1 of those 15,000rpm scsi items. ( 'alpha' is moar or less the 'money no object' box from late '90s-early-2000s, tended to have the most outlandish periphs
1884112;1546540503;asciilifeform;the spindle sounds like dental drill, the head motor -- like door buzzer.
1884113;1546540525;asciilifeform;and guten tag mircea_popescu !
1884114;1546540567;mircea_popescu;:)
1884115;1546540603;*;asciilifeform trimmed iron stash down to 2 'alphas', 1 runs barbaric 'tru64' (for that bolix emulator), 1 nao set up for 'ffa on arch that aint x64 or arm' tests laters
1884116;1546540637;mircea_popescu;next we're going to dig up a 1990 era soviet stolen sub to run it on their handcranks also.
1884117;1546540675;mircea_popescu;in other news, i look at the time, and it's 13:37.
1884118;1546540678;asciilifeform;they're nifty boxes, in some ways (e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877067 , and the mobo slides in and out without tools )
1884119;1546540678;a111;Logged on 2018-12-01 01:22 asciilifeform quite fond of alpha, the architecture book was ~thin~
1884120;1546540683;asciilifeform;lol
1884121;1546540767;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i won't know whether the 'constanttimeism litmus' actuallyworx, until i dredge up an iron where it outputs negative
1884122;1546540794;mircea_popescu;not much of a priority.
1884123;1546540802;asciilifeform;not burning, no.
1884124;1546540874;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884048 << oh i see. i just saw a "omfg my traffux" dork "blogger" typical piece, the numbers seemed low for a month of amateur bloggership so had to take a 2nd look, turned out they're FOR THE YEAR, what can yo9u do.
1884125;1546540874;a111;Logged on 2019-01-03 14:58 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884045 << heathen www, hosted on garbage hoster, but turned out to be packed full of useful retro-comp tidbits, is all.
1884126;1546540960;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i can count on fingers of 1 hand how many times i dig up on 'lone man net' sumthing useful, in a yr
1884127;1546540966;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884059 << yes, but he gotta invent problems for himself. which he does at an amazing rate, ~comparable to his capacity for solving problems. after all, stability is self-enforcing.
1884128;1546540966;a111;Logged on 2019-01-03 16:36 diana_coman: well, it's meant as replacement not as alternative so I don't see why would one keep the sha patches; onth replacement in place aka no name change doesn't break anything either
1884129;1546540987;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i believe, but maybe deep link to the something useful.
1884130;1546541114;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884068 << i don';t expect any of the ten thousand fly eyes has a dec, ever had a dec, or can come up with any actual use for a dec. or for that matter care to know whether their code doesn't work at all. different paradigm!!!
1884131;1546541114;a111;Logged on 2019-01-03 16:49 asciilifeform: box is dead in the water on apparently all linux kernels since ~2006ish, and seems like nobody gives a fuck.
1884132;1546541145;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: well ~that~ d00d has dec. and even dec vax, and ports various soft to'em.
1884133;1546541161;mircea_popescu;not bad.
1884134;1546541188;asciilifeform;largely archaeological interest ( tho he also has some 'modern-day' items, bypasses for winblowz 'seekoority', etc . overall surprisingly high snr. )
1884135;1546541216;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884081 << any reason you believe this ? (i have nfi, there's some obligation to participate in the sense of weighing in on decisions for the lordship, but afaikl dude never was/wanted to be, and for the citizenry at large there's no such thing is there ?)
1884136;1546541216;a111;Logged on 2019-01-03 16:59 asciilifeform: given as the fella didn't end up sticking to republic, i dun expect we'll ever find out.
1884137;1546541238;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: fwiw i do not know whether he tuned out entirely, or lurks, or which.
1884138;1546541246;asciilifeform;only that he hasn't been seen since...
1884139;1546541251;asciilifeform;!#seen apeloyee
1884140;1546541251;a111;2018-01-17 <apeloyee> !#s whisperers
1884141;1546541263;mircea_popescu;keks nice final note.
1884142;1546541290;mircea_popescu;anyway, many people took yearish hiatuses, mats recently emerged after a slumber for eg.
1884143;1546541314;asciilifeform;i admit that i'd be delighted to see apeloyee return ; he was '9000 level' useful d00d.
1884144;1546541441;asciilifeform;wb Mocky
1884145;1546541449;Mocky;thx asciilifeform
1884146;1546541450;lobbesbot;Mocky: Sent 19 hours and 34 minutes ago: <mircea_popescu> further issue with bot for your list : if it dings two skills, it only trains one. really it should have a check ~before~ crafting whether it can do any skill upgrading somehiow.
1884147;1546541455;mircea_popescu;!!up stratum
1884148;1546541455;deedbot;stratum voiced for 30 minutes.
1884149;1546541461;mircea_popescu;anyone knows who this is then ?
1884150;1546541469;*;asciilifeform does not
1884151;1546541505;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884083 << bwahahaha.
1884152;1546541505;a111;Logged on 2019-01-03 17:01 diana_coman: cool; one day I'll make it to ch14b too, lol
1884153;1546541525;Mocky;oh hey, never thought about multiple skill dings, I'll note
1884154;1546541610;mircea_popescu;as she points out, http://logs.minigame.biz/2019-01-03.log.html#t14:53:01
1884155;1546541611;lobbesbot;Logged on 2019-01-03 14:53:01: <diana_coman> 18 pops, lmao
1884156;1546541665;mircea_popescu;Mocky but the important part is "resilient design" so to speak : it should keep polling after doing what it thought it did. same exact thing as with the "put stuff in inv" : put all you find of the type you're putting, if you miss some on one cycle, catch up on next. sorta thing.
1884157;1546541676;mircea_popescu;there's a good principle in there we're digging out.
1884158;1546541745;asciilifeform;briefly upstack to the archaeologies : switched on the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-02#1883853 device, and it worx a++++, simulates cdroms even (arbitrary # of'em) , and hdds, etc
1884159;1546541745;a111;Logged on 2019-01-02 15:31 asciilifeform: mats: i haven't built anyffing useful from ice40 with own hands yet. but, interestingly, when bought a 'scsi2sd' device for replacing disk in bolix box, found that author in fact used ice40 for the job
1884160;1546541763;asciilifeform;and has usb hose for mounting same from pc end.
1884161;1546541808;mircea_popescu;specifically : the oldest illustration of "robotics" in the charlie chaplin deeply misguided http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-06#1043874 approach (and yes, i am very unimpressed by charlie chaplin as the "intellectual great" pantsuit make him out to be, specifically because this sort of deliberate stupidity to cater to pantsuit nonsense dun count as wisdom) is an amelia bedelia-esque "person sent to broom will broom the room, r
1884162;1546541808;a111;Logged on 2015-03-06 02:28 asciilifeform: 'On two occasions I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question.'
1884163;1546541808;mircea_popescu;obot sent to broom will broom individual items" sorta bs.
1884164;1546541819;asciilifeform;( imho must-have gadget for old-irons people , really )
1884165;1546541843;mircea_popescu;there's no serious reason to write our poor people in the way THEIR poor people would like our poor people to work [for the transparent reason that thusly, our poor people won't outcompete and drown out their poor people].
1884166;1546541905;mircea_popescu;(and yes, republican bot is ==== imperial "we the people", no question about it.)
1884167;1546541948;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: from the 'steam engine is 'the workerz' 'but minus the drinkin' and unionizin''' pov ?
1884168;1546541958;stratum;i am a real person
1884169;1546541965;mircea_popescu;from the gimme a second ima clean up this bimboconvo.
1884170;1546541965;asciilifeform;oh hey talks
1884171;1546541971;mircea_popescu;stratum and who might you be then ?
1884172;1546542005;stratum;i am a real person who has seen the wonderful dpb spread the gospel and came here to watch
1884173;1546542021;danielpbarron;he is from efnet, l0de fan
1884174;1546542030;asciilifeform;stratum: y'know there is a log, http://btcbase.org/log/
1884175;1546542054;danielpbarron;also a fan of https and skeptic of rsa
1884176;1546542089;asciilifeform;'promising' already..
1884177;1546542105;mircea_popescu;cool.
1884178;1546542106;asciilifeform;stratum: let's hear about this ?
1884179;1546542194;stratum;I do not recall any skeptical talk about rsa, though, I do think https can be valuable in attempting to mitigating some issues one may encounter, this is true.
1884180;1546542220;Mocky;yes, a more resilient design is much needed for the bot. it also needs to get out from under the thumb of the ps event/thread model so that adding capabilities doesn't require crimes-against-humanity levels of extra code in order to approach resilience
1884181;1546542260;Mocky;unfortunately my cpp skills are not there yet
1884182;1546542329;asciilifeform;stratum: valuable for what ?
1884183;1546542532;stratum;In some cases, which do not involve a determined attacker or state actor, https can prevent man in the middle attacks, the capture of full browsing sessions, and, while unfortunately involving untrusted third party mega corporations tied to the security state, one can be slightly more assured you're talking to the actual website you intend to.
1884184;1546542644;asciilifeform;stratum: given that the most active criminal is the nato reich itself, what exactly is the worth of pkiistic 'sekoority' where they have master key ?
1884185;1546542662;stratum;It depends on ones threat model.
1884186;1546542682;stratum;I think most IRC people would be more concerned with some random internet jackoff fucking with them than GCHQ.
1884187;1546542736;asciilifeform;actual crypto worx just same against randojackoff and hitler.
1884188;1546542802;stratum;Certainly, but one still has to survive among the internet places as they exist..  We cannot all be RMS and have a helper print out websites for us because we're paranoid.
1884189;1546542828;asciilifeform;the notion pushed by reich where 'it is cheaper to only work against jackass' is fallacious, your cpu can bear the load.
1884190;1546542868;asciilifeform;stratum: why wouldja need 'helper to print web sites' ?
1884191;1546542890;asciilifeform;what's wrong with having multiple boxes for diff uses.
1884192;1546542925;stratum;If one can afford the money, time, and hassle, nothing.
1884193;1546542936;Mocky;also re bot, I do see the underlying problem that is revealed when someone says "oh hey, never thought of..."
1884194;1546543002;asciilifeform;stratum: so enlighten me, what's the logic -- you can't afford to plug in 2 boxes , but want to tell self stories at bedtime re 'secure anyway' ?
1884195;1546543072;stratum;Most people don't even have one "box" -- More and more browsing from their phones as their sole computing device, billions of them. I think there is a disconnect in what we're discussing: which is why I mention RMS and his helpers.
1884196;1546543137;asciilifeform;stratum: y'know, the money argument dun hold water -- a new 'ipnoje' actually costs moar than ~several~ entirely usable pc
1884197;1546543150;asciilifeform;( not even counting its ~subscription~ )
1884198;1546543183;stratum;I doubt any locksmith, who knows how easily they can be defeated, is arguing against locks for the average person, grandmas, and such. It seems like the argument against https from the likes of dpb is an argument of this type, in my opinion.
1884199;1546543211;Mocky;more like the tsa luggage locks
1884200;1546543225;asciilifeform;except where yer lock aint a lock at all, but instead is rather more similar to the plastic amulets 'boko haram' hands out to soldiers 'to stop bullets'
1884201;1546543289;asciilifeform;!!up stratum
1884202;1546543290;deedbot;stratum voiced for 30 minutes.
1884203;1546543323;asciilifeform;stratum: one doesn't even need to sit on hitler's throne to bypass sslism; typical idjit os comes with root certs from such shitholes as e.g. greece and latvia
1884204;1546543370;asciilifeform;all you need is to buy/borrow/steal 1 ( and not even this, protocol itself is swiss cheese and regularly broken by amateurs without any need to steal privkeys from some derpistan )
1884205;1546543441;stratum;Right now, for the billions, I think it is probably better than nothing, just like easily popped household locks.
1884206;1546543480;stratum;If individuals want to communicate using heavily encrypted sneakernet to avoid NSA goons, that is certainly okay by me. But I don't see that happening for the billions any time soon.
1884207;1546543536;Mocky;are you an advocate on behalf of the billions?
1884208;1546543547;asciilifeform;stratum: tech 'for the billions' remains a questionable proposition even in re 100 y.o. techs. 'the billions' still have trouble with not dropping running toaster in bathtub.
1884209;1546543618;asciilifeform;the appropriate tech 'for the billions' is prolly the ox-plow ( and with proviso that they turn into a moar manageable 'millions' )
1884210;1546543677;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: i wonder if the fella knows just what's behind the door he's walked into.
1884211;1546543906;Mocky;unrelatedly, it's strange time distortion to be a newb and compress the reading of back #trilema & #ba logs into 8 months and then see http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884140 and realize the fella (and plenty others fresh in the mind) hasn't even spoken here for a year
1884212;1546543906;a111;Logged on 2019-01-03 18:47 a111: 2018-01-17 <apeloyee> !#s whisperers
1884213;1546543946;danielpbarron;i did not tell him to join, and i have given up on reaching that crowd
1884214;1546544784;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2019/what-is-meant-by-ai/ 'ere you go.
1884215;1546544848;asciilifeform;oh hey
1884216;1546545009;mircea_popescu;stratum we are only interested in destroying the capacity of posturing of the "state actor" known asw the usg.
1884217;1546545034;mircea_popescu;random schmuckette futzing with her phone "losing" her nudes is of no consequence, she is a party favour anyway, whether she knows this or not.
1884218;1546545092;mircea_popescu;and "most irc people" is an undefined symbol. there's the lordship and absolutely nothing else. there's no "irc people".
1884219;1546545261;mircea_popescu;poor danielpbarron, i'm starting to understand his problem : specifically because http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881534 ie much lower intellectual bar, it is actually WAY THE FUCK EASIER to sell his church than the republic, to the sort of random interneteer. memory vs thought, hands down easier to memorize than structure the world.
1884220;1546545261;a111;Logged on 2018-12-18 19:57 mircea_popescu: why is it that this church is notable in spite of not having a feedbot ?
1884221;1546545366;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884196 << the point isn't the "monetary" cost, they have 0 money anyway. the point is the intellectual cost -- they're monkeys, they barely got enough brainpower to cluck at the shiny, what computer, what computers.
1884222;1546545366;a111;Logged on 2019-01-03 19:18 asciilifeform: stratum: y'know, the money argument dun hold water -- a new 'ipnoje' actually costs moar than ~several~ entirely usable pc
1884223;1546545507;mircea_popescu;Mocky we're in the same time distortion field. i recall people dead for centuries as if we just interrupted a coffee conversation days ago ; i forgot idiots i met yesterday as if milennia had passed.
1884224;1546545511;mircea_popescu;time exists in the mind.
1884225;1546545641;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884103 << i think the logs reflect my thinking similarily at first ; but kinda dropped it also.
1884226;1546545641;a111;Logged on 2019-01-03 17:15 asciilifeform: when i started with adaism, i initially found the preservation of indexing in array-slices annoying. but then saw the wisdom, it whips programmer into having a much firmer grasp of wtf he is doing.
1884227;1546545787;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/what-is-meant-by-ai/ << Trilema -- What is meant by AI ?
1884228;1546550888;jurov;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884050 << asciilifeform next time please spend few precious seconds to actually check A and MX records. No, it's not on lulazon anymore.
1884229;1546550888;a111;Logged on 2019-01-03 14:59 asciilifeform: diana_coman: looks like ml not yet moved to pizarro, it's still hosted wherever it was that jurov had it
1884230;1546552866;asciilifeform;jurov: then mystery deepens . can you offer an explanation for http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884046 ?
1884231;1546552866;a111;Logged on 2019-01-03 07:19 diana_coman: mod6, http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2019-January/000321.html gives me http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/aaNkK/?raw=true
1884232;1546553024;asciilifeform;why the everliving fuck would anyone ever see 'Generated by cloudfront (CloudFront)' from that thing ??
1884233;1546553232;feedbot;http://bimbo.club/2019/01/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-november-and-december-1715-part-iii/ << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of November and December, 1715 - Part III.
1884234;1546556026;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884225 << ada is surrounded by a kind of roman 'sudes' fort , consisting of 'why the fuck does it make me do this', kills 99+% of maggots on the spot. at least that's my hypothesis re why the thing remains usable ~40 yrs after first made, unlike e.g. unix
1884235;1546556026;a111;Logged on 2019-01-03 20:00 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884103 << i think the logs reflect my thinking similarily at first ; but kinda dropped it also.
1884236;1546556044;mircea_popescu;possibru.
1884237;1546556099;asciilifeform;( e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-26#1662671 , and other examples i documented in 2016-7 l0gz )
1884238;1546556099;a111;Logged on 2017-05-26 18:10 asciilifeform: for instance, the almost ubiquitous c-ism, of creating a pointer (ada 'access') variable on a procedure's local (stack) and passing it to something -- anything -- is illegal
1884239;1546556176;asciilifeform;Mocky collected the whole, iirc, set, i'ma link ftr to http://mocky.org/Log-Reference-Why-Ada/ .
1884240;1546556237;mircea_popescu;memory management in c is one of the weirdest things. this is not directly obvious first off, but if you stop to think about what you're saying ~actually means~ it's a guaranteed starseeing moment.
1884241;1546556297;asciilifeform;c programmers who 'stop to think about what it means' tend to go insane and gouge out own eyes etc. so not much experience of this in the field.
1884242;1546556387;asciilifeform;incidentally i'll add that most published heathen ada proggies use c-style heapism, it isn't banned by the lang per se.
1884243;1546556400;mircea_popescu;i suppose the first step in the wonderful world of language is the kid's "what incantations do" rather than "what does this mean". takes a considerable time exposed to "she is your genie, ask what you will, she'll produce it" sorta situation for the former to mutate into the latter, "what the fuck am i asking these genies to do here!"
1884244;1546556409;asciilifeform;( in fact, if anyffing -- encouraged, the type safety makes it less immediately lethal than otherwise would be )
1884245;1546556416;*;asciilifeform brb,teatime
1884246;1546556596;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/qntra-sqntr-december-2018-statement/ << Trilema -- Qntra (S.QNTR) December 2018 Statement
1884247;1546557694;jurov;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884230 << perhaps someone is avoiding DNS and has stale static IP entry in hosts.txt ?
1884248;1546557694;a111;Logged on 2019-01-03 22:01 asciilifeform: jurov: then mystery deepens . can you offer an explanation for http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884046 ?
1884249;1546557837;asciilifeform;jurov: this is entirely possible. lessee what diana_coman says when wakes up.
1884250;1546557845;asciilifeform;( iirc diana_coman was the only 1 afflicted )
1884251;1546557888;jurov;diana_coman: really, let's seriously troubleshoot this. if you aren't using hosts file, can you please paste the output of: dig therealbitcoin.org and: dig MX therealbitcoin.org
1884252;1546558390;BingoBoingo;dig shows the MX pointed at the foundation's Pizarro box from here
1884253;1546558395;asciilifeform;same here
1884254;1546562778;mod6;Yeah, I get the pizarro ip for both A and MX records.  Just in case, I have posted the clearsigned report to my website for viewing: http://mod6.net/2018/December/31/btcf_address_201812.txt
1884255;1546564345;asciilifeform;unrelatedly : hey mircea_popescu , didja have a torrent tracker ? i seem to recall in the log ( tho cannot find. ) or was it an in-house thingie strictly.
1884256;1546564422;asciilifeform;i ask because i have a 9GB disk image from that bolix 'macivory' ( recorded using the 'alpha' from earlier thrd ) but am reluctant to simply put on dulap, soaking up bw for errybody
1884257;1546564457;asciilifeform;( it's ~8GB gzipped )
1884258;1546564537;asciilifeform;it aint that much good without the iron, but i would like the thing publicly gettable, given as i also baked a 'scsi2sd' config that eats the thing
1884259;1546564560;asciilifeform;( solid state gadget that replaces the ancient whining hdd in the thing )
1884260;1546565145;asciilifeform;lol holySHIT is gzip inefficient for disk snapshots. '7zip' gets it down to 256MB !
1884261;1546565262;asciilifeform;possibly dun need torrents after all. ( it is nao smaller than those jpegs from last wk. )
1884262;1546565307;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform wasn't a tracker, just a large box with the entire collection of trilema reviewed films. on for a year or so, but turned it off recently.
1884263;1546565313;asciilifeform;aa
1884264;1546565322;mircea_popescu;when realised that i do not like the "community" enough to pump 1k/mo into it or anything.
1884265;1546565324;asciilifeform;aite.
1884266;1546565353;asciilifeform;this is a fundamental problem with throwing up warez for 'public'. how to justify to self, the bird feeder.
1884267;1546565371;asciilifeform;it costs real moneyz to throw up GBs.
1884268;1546565480;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/some-basic-discussion-of-charity/ what else.
1884269;1546565484;asciilifeform;aha
1884270;1546565517;mircea_popescu;nothing wrong with "here's a list of things you can have ~by request~ in my castle"
1884271;1546565537;asciilifeform;this also. tho it is headachy to arrange in practice.
1884272;1546565566;mircea_popescu;so asker must be this tall to ride.
1884273;1546565576;asciilifeform;i mean on serving end.
1884274;1546565591;mircea_popescu;when joe blow did enough for you that it overwhelms the headache, he can has.
1884275;1546565656;asciilifeform;i have a half-written bot that takes a deedbot-style gpg wot decrypt and puts out a single-use emulated ftp login thing. but it is not alive, because gnarly in practice ( if single-shot, resumes dunwork; and no crypto, and prolly this is solvable but i dun have currently the time budget for massaging it )
1884276;1546565759;asciilifeform;a reasonably-mechanized process for distributing warez to one's l1/l2 might be useful, but i haven't yet devised one that dun break in annoying ways in the field.
1884277;1546565784;mircea_popescu;the correct way is reverse : take ~ftp login~, dump it in there.
1884278;1546565802;asciilifeform;i.e. receiver puts up ftp ?
1884279;1546565805;mircea_popescu;yup.
1884280;1546565809;asciilifeform;i suppose that'd work ( tho still no crypto )
1884281;1546565813;mircea_popescu;of course crypto.
1884282;1546565818;asciilifeform;with what ?
1884283;1546565822;mircea_popescu;with his key.
1884284;1546565829;asciilifeform;as in, per file ?
1884285;1546565838;mircea_popescu;per tarball, w/e.
1884286;1546565848;asciilifeform;i guess would work.
1884287;1546565873;asciilifeform;pretty heavy on the serving end, tho, needs scratch buffer of $file-length per each req.
1884288;1546565890;asciilifeform;( of much moar, in fact, than $file-length, cuz gpg is retarded )
1884289;1546565912;mircea_popescu;you got collection-of-shit 1 throught 99. joe wants shit-item-5-6-7. joe sends !Z http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/12345/?raw=true wherein is found "shit-item-5 ; shit-item-6 ; shit-item-7 ; pubkey"
1884290;1546565939;mircea_popescu;you "shit-item-5 ; shit-item-6 ; shit-item-7" > tar > gpg -aer pubkey > joe.ftp.server
1884291;1546565959;asciilifeform;right, it'd work in principle. but costly on transmitter end.
1884292;1546565964;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform like this you can do it on an as-available basis.
1884293;1546565974;asciilifeform;naturally as-available, how else.
1884294;1546565977;mircea_popescu;WAY the fuck cheaper than alternative.
1884295;1546565980;asciilifeform;but it won't be very available.
1884296;1546565992;mircea_popescu;because www server will attempt to feed any clients at any time
1884297;1546566001;asciilifeform;7 folx want to load, each needs a, what, 4GB+ buffer (if turd is 1GB)
1884298;1546566016;mircea_popescu;nah. it's a 20% overhead or so.
1884299;1546566032;asciilifeform;classical gpg (base64) is a 400% neh
1884300;1546566036;mircea_popescu;neh.
1884301;1546566059;asciilifeform;( assuming incompressible payload )
1884302;1546566084;asciilifeform;given as most warez is already compressed
1884303;1546566091;mircea_popescu;you don't even have to ascii armor, if that bothers you.
1884304;1546566144;asciilifeform;this is prolly the most practical scheme suggested, to date, for this. but still feels heavy.
1884305;1546566294;mircea_popescu;what can i tell you.
1884306;1546566312;asciilifeform;also suffers from practical gnarl -- say the session gets thrown. how many times is the bot to retry upload.
1884307;1546566319;mircea_popescu;until done.
1884308;1546566343;mircea_popescu;ftp has resume, and besides, you got hashes.
1884309;1546566346;asciilifeform;tru
1884310;1546566354;mircea_popescu;and if it's such a problem, slice it.
1884311;1546566370;asciilifeform;soon enuff we're back to alt.binaries lol
1884312;1546566372;mircea_popescu;(if anyone wonders why all those r00 r01 etc slices back in the day)
1884313;1546566380;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform correct design is correct design.
1884314;1546566392;asciilifeform;oh hey remember the luby-style usenet archiver thing
1884315;1546566396;asciilifeform;i fughet what it was called
1884316;1546566422;asciilifeform;where you only needed e.g. 30 of 36 .rxx etc to magick the whole thing back into shape
1884317;1546566442;mircea_popescu;i dunno anyone actually bothered.
1884318;1546566449;asciilifeform;some defo bothered
1884319;1546566459;asciilifeform;iirc it was a plain reed-solomon tho, not newfangled luby
1884320;1546566965;asciilifeform;http://www.slyck.com/Newsgroups_Guide_PAR_PAR2_Files << found it.
1884321;1546566982;asciilifeform;'PAR'.
1884322;1546567028;asciilifeform;apparently there were even multiple versions of the thing, i had nfi.
1884323;1546567071;asciilifeform;in the last days of the good old days, it was actually pretty common, in asciilifeform's recollection.
1884324;1546567138;asciilifeform;'golden age' of usenet may have ended in '93, before i even got hands on it, but 'silver age' imho ended ~decade later. ( when usenet more or less disappeared entirely )
1884325;1546567956;mircea_popescu;you and naggum might've been the only ones left by then
1884326;1546568005;asciilifeform;he outlived me there by considerable time.
1884327;1546568061;*;asciilifeform was largely in lurk mode in those days, did not often presume to have what's worth saying.
1884328;1546568136;asciilifeform;there was, however, warez. asciilifeform got most of his msdos-goldenage stuff from alt.binaries.*
1884329;1546568215;asciilifeform;to round off the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-04#1884258 thrd : item confirmed to work. booted up box with it , it's a mixed blessing ( ~zero seek times, but slightly ~slower~ linear transfer than the mechanical disk. but, theoretically lasts '4evah', given as card can be easily backed up )
1884330;1546568215;a111;Logged on 2019-01-04 01:15 asciilifeform: it aint that much good without the iron, but i would like the thing publicly gettable, given as i also baked a 'scsi2sd' config that eats the thing
1884331;1546568238;asciilifeform;i'ma post complete recipe laters.
1884332;1546568354;asciilifeform;at the very least, it's quiet, and pulls 1watt instead of 40, reducing strain on the ancient electrolytic caps..
1884333;1546568398;asciilifeform;phf i expect these will work in your 'xl' also.
1884334;1546568419;asciilifeform;( you can actually set arbitrary block size, so the weirdo 1280byte blox will work )
1884335;1546568502;asciilifeform;the crapple ftr uses ordinary 512byte blks.
1884336;1546568576;asciilifeform;when i first went to look for the thing, found that there's a whole underworld of vintage crapple people ( and 'amiga' etc ) , most of'em moved to using these things.
1884337;1546568609;asciilifeform;( interestingly also found that nowadays certain vintage crapples command 4fig prices. why -- cannot say. )
1884338;1546568673;asciilifeform;there's folx running 'aix' even, that old favourite of BingoBoingo .
1884339;1546568678;*;asciilifeform bbl, meat
1884340;1546568935;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: TBF a lot of weird looks good when the alternatives are Windows, Lunix, and ManzanaBSD
1884341;1546569023;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/01/longtime-national-security-journalist-quits-nbc-over-networks-pro-war-editorial-position/ << Qntra -- Longtime "National Security" Journalist Quits NBC Over Network's Pro-War Editorial Position
1884342;1546570765;feedbot;http://bimbo.club/2019/01/my-new-g/ << Bimbo.Club -- My new G
1884343;1546576043;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-02#1883981 << I'll give it some attention this weekend.
1884344;1546576043;a111;Logged on 2019-01-02 20:15 diana_coman: trinque, how's it going with getting the Cuntoo .vpatch in fixed shape?
1884345;1546596817;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884247 -right, jurov has it; it was my own stale IP in hosts on that machine
1884346;1546596817;a111;Logged on 2019-01-03 23:21 jurov: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884230 << perhaps someone is avoiding DNS and has stale static IP entry in hosts.txt ?
1884347;1546600179;feedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2019/01/04/tandretea-inceputului-de-an/ << Ossasepia -- Tandretea inceputului de an
1884348;1546604799;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-04#1884340 << point. i suspect that a good chunk of the interest in old irons is driven by the sheer unfathomable depth of retardation of 'modern' comp
1884349;1546604799;a111;Logged on 2019-01-04 02:28 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: TBF a lot of weird looks good when the alternatives are Windows, Lunix, and ManzanaBSD
1884350;1546606121;BingoBoingo;!Xview 1027
1884351;1546606122;auctionbot;Buy order #  1027: 2k wired Filthy Fiats Opening: 540mn ecu Leading Bid: None Ending: 2019-01-04 10:08:07.710708 UTC (9 hours 16 mins)
1884352;1546606228;asciilifeform;guten morgen BingoBoingo
1884353;1546606341;BingoBoingo;Buenos dias Señores
1884354;1546606410;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-04#1884348 << And too be fair, the Rockchip thing is pretty sweet
1884355;1546606410;a111;Logged on 2019-01-04 12:26 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-04#1884340 << point. i suspect that a good chunk of the interest in old irons is driven by the sheer unfathomable depth of retardation of 'modern' comp
1884356;1546606424;BingoBoingo;Mostly for what isn't on its gentoo
1884357;1546606464;asciilifeform;well yes, sweet except for where it runs unixen
1884358;1546606806;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: possibly i said this before, but i am not fond of arm -- it is horrendously ugly, complex, single-vendored ( the multi-vendoritude is an illusion, they all use same british turd mask ) . i picked it as 'best horse in glue factory' for the application, is all.
1884359;1546606915;BingoBoingo;Well yes, when all the race horses got tumors...
1884360;1546606960;BingoBoingo;You're going to make a lot of glue
1884361;1546608116;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: all the race horses are dead. and we race , if you will, while dragging the carcasses around. so i prefer to go with the smallest when possible.
1884362;1546610292;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Yes, and the smallest ones also don't yeild much glue when boiled
1884363;1546614759;asciilifeform;in other olds-noose, asciilifeform installed a http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674958 , and it's pretty great. ty phf !
1884364;1546614759;a111;Logged on 2017-06-27 05:12 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674891 << i've been using that one for a while, with a https://www.amazon.com/CST2545-L-Trac-Wired-Performance-Trackball/dp/B00EEFK5QQ trackball in the middle. i'm pretty happy with that setup. i've figured out how to get the firmware out of the controller, so i'm hoping to customize some of the keys (that are otherwise useless)
1884365;1546614886;asciilifeform;the sphere, interestingly, is supposedly the size of a regulation billiard ball, and some folx have replaced it with the latter.
1884366;1546615007;asciilifeform;also interestingly, item claims to be made in usa.
1884367;1546615071;asciilifeform;feels hefty and nearly 'bakelite', like a solid 1980s periph. i can see why phf picked it up.
1884368;1546615528;asciilifeform;there are apparently 2 jacks in the back of the thing, for extra buttons (pedals?)
1884369;1546620108;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/01/germany-merkel-regime-and-collaborators-suffer-substantial-data-leak/ << Qntra -- Germany: Merkel Regime And Collaborators Suffer Substantial Data Leak
1884370;1546620273;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-04#1884361 << this image is not only extremely vivid, but upon meditation shockingly accurate.
1884371;1546620273;a111;Logged on 2019-01-04 13:21 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: all the race horses are dead. and we race , if you will, while dragging the carcasses around. so i prefer to go with the smallest when possible.
1884372;1546620396;mircea_popescu;computers were supposed to be intelligence amplifiers, these devices that make the smart ~more effectual~.
1884373;1546620412;mircea_popescu;but instead of that (and, it has to be said, through AND BECAUSE the ~shameful~, utterly immoral and absolutely unethical efforts of idiots just like http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884205 and like http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-09#1640999 of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-09#1641209 fame and so on), they became the exact equivalents of those loud earpieces in that shackley story
1884374;1546620412;a111;Logged on 2019-01-03 19:24 stratum: Right now, for the billions, I think it is probably better than nothing, just like easily popped household locks.
1884375;1546620412;a111;Logged on 2017-04-09 22:03 asciilifeform: most of the heavy lifting was done by a dozen or so people, however. (david moon, richard greenblatt, tom knight, buncha smaller ones )
1884376;1546620412;a111;Logged on 2017-04-09 23:14 mircea_popescu: "who do you think will win, mr 13, the team with two guys and monkeys or the team with three guys and monkeys ?"
1884377;1546620416;mircea_popescu;intelligence ~equalizers~
1884378;1546620438;mircea_popescu;ie, EXACTLY these dead horses smart people are dragging around on their own fucking power to sheer exhaustion.
1884379;1546620450;mircea_popescu;THIS IS IN-FUCKING-TOLERABLE, and FUCK YOU ALL IMBECILES.
1884380;1546620496;mircea_popescu;fucking get it already -- if you work with the monkeys people will spit in your eye.
1884381;1546620510;mircea_popescu;fucking shameful.
1884382;1546620547;mircea_popescu;what, i ask you, WHAT is a worse stain than having spent a minute on the needs of the poor ? they're fucking poor for a reason! step on their faces, there's rich people that you could be helping instead.
1884383;1546620627;mircea_popescu;fucktarded socialists hijacking computing for their own ends. just like they tried to hijack bitcoin, because that's what they fucking do, sit around all day trying to come up with some way to tie the sun to their chariot.
1884384;1546620636;mircea_popescu;and the ENTIRE FIELD of "luminaries" ~LETTING THEM~.
1884385;1546620679;mircea_popescu;we can talk of power rangers in bitcoin because they got fucking squashed. but nobody before thought "o hey, you know what knight, stallman, richie etc ALL have in common ?! FUCKING POWER RANGERS JESUS FUCK."
1884386;1546620707;mircea_popescu;they do. it's what they fucking are, first to last, and fuck them all for being so fucking stupid. "oh, mit forced". nobody fucking forced them, they betrayed their kind because of what they are.
1884387;1546620847;mircea_popescu;https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/36/Rinderpest_1896-CN.jpg << this shall now become part of the permanent record.
1884388;1546620920;mircea_popescu;fucking "localized keyboards". that's what i fucking need in the 90s, "let's make computers useful and accessible to the bureaucracy!" "imagine mp, vast fields of fat minnesota cows derping on the computer all day long!"
1884389;1546620930;mircea_popescu;fucking hell.
1884390;1546621352;asciilifeform;ohai mircea_popescu
1884391;1546621793;mircea_popescu;heya.
1884392;1546621809;mircea_popescu;in lighter news, diana_coman 's latest suggests the last indisputable use for the bookshelf.
1884393;1546621817;mircea_popescu;can't really bring up a kid without a book room.
1884394;1546621835;asciilifeform;loox almost exactly like asciilifeform's ancestral b00k room, for that matter
1884395;1546621892;asciilifeform;i remember when i first saw a bookcase without glass doors. 'barbarism'
1884396;1546621901;mircea_popescu;it is, at that.
1884397;1546621911;asciilifeform;( they're ~ungettable in usa. today i haven't any glass. tho i do have air scrubbers, like in museums.. )
1884398;1546621940;mircea_popescu;i guess one doesn't strictly speaking need it for trophycase/tchotchkecase/whatever, give the slavegirls something to do, dust it biweekly. however books get infected.
1884399;1546621952;asciilifeform;they sure do.
1884400;1546621958;asciilifeform;esp. nice, older, 'edible' ones.
1884401;1546621964;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1884402;1546621979;*;asciilifeform recalls mircea_popescu's gedanken- aluminum book
1884403;1546621996;mircea_popescu;like all crystalline mindmatter -- it grows on ya over time :D
1884404;1546622031;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform can i has link to the story in question for completeness btw ?
1884405;1546622041;asciilifeform;!#s bergeron
1884406;1546622042;a111;10 results for "bergeron", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=bergeron
1884407;1546622069;mircea_popescu;a there we go ty
1884408;1546622070;asciilifeform;if yer thinking of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-04#1884373 .
1884409;1546622070;a111;Logged on 2019-01-04 16:46 mircea_popescu: but instead of that (and, it has to be said, through AND BECAUSE the ~shameful~, utterly immoral and absolutely unethical efforts of idiots just like http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884205 and like http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-09#1640999 of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-09#1641209 fame and so on), they became the exact equivalents of those loud earpieces in that shackley story
1884410;1546622074;asciilifeform;k. vonnegut.
1884411;1546622099;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1884412;1546622145;asciilifeform;in other olds, apparently i slept through this, but in early 2000s some ru d00d actually built a ~non-grazing~ lens for xray. for pennies, at that.
1884413;1546622158;mircea_popescu;out of what ?!
1884414;1546622167;asciilifeform;( tldr : plate of aluminum, with 0.5mm holes drilled. the working surface is ~edge~ of plate. )
1884415;1546622171;asciilifeform;it's a compound lens.
1884416;1546622174;mircea_popescu;don't tell me "czech glass, dummy. if you polish it like-so.."
1884417;1546622181;mircea_popescu;oh!
1884418;1546622183;asciilifeform;( i.e. each hole refracts by fraction of degree. )
1884419;1546622188;mircea_popescu;hey, you know what... that's a great idea
1884420;1546622211;asciilifeform;classical http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-12#498416 solution.
1884421;1546622211;a111;Logged on 2014-02-12 18:27 asciilifeform: 'the best machine is no machine' (herr altschuller)
1884422;1546622219;mircea_popescu;only works on specified x-ray, i expect ? not exactly "lens" in the broad sense.
1884423;1546622236;asciilifeform;worx on all xray. 'harder' (shorter wave) needs moar holes.
1884424;1546622249;asciilifeform;if you use heavier metal, also worx on gamma.
1884425;1546622255;mircea_popescu;man...
1884426;1546622288;mircea_popescu;why the fuck didn't i think of that.
1884427;1546622289;asciilifeform;mysteriously (or i guess not, 'nobody does anyffing any moar'...) item aint (publicly) used for anyffin, afaik.
1884428;1546622294;asciilifeform;was my thought !
1884429;1546622303;asciilifeform;asciilifeform bit his elbows raw going 'wai didnt i think'!111
1884430;1546622314;mircea_popescu;insanity.
1884431;1546622368;mircea_popescu;right because discontinuous media is THE metamaterial for matter-wave interaction.
1884432;1546622378;mircea_popescu;first fucking lesson in the field, what.
1884433;1546622381;asciilifeform;hey it's how all other lensing worx.
1884434;1546622385;mircea_popescu;you know ?
1884435;1546622397;asciilifeform;'least action path'(tm)
1884436;1546622405;mircea_popescu;"so make it discountinous!" "HOW!!!" "dude drill a hole" "omfg how wise you are mr!"
1884437;1546622426;asciilifeform;nao really one oughta ~etch~ the holes
1884438;1546622431;asciilifeform;but basic principle remains.
1884439;1546622458;mircea_popescu;drill and polish, i'd say, rather than etch. smoother holes this way\
1884440;1546622497;asciilifeform;drilling 10e6 holes is a bit of a bitch
1884441;1546622505;asciilifeform;but does apparently work.
1884442;1546622507;mircea_popescu;laser! computor actuated! etc!
1884443;1546622516;asciilifeform;aha, number of ways.
1884444;1546622528;asciilifeform;tricky bit is, you want max sphericity
1884445;1546622533;mircea_popescu;i'm totally like one of those old war veterans upon hearing of new weapon
1884446;1546622540;asciilifeform;( error magnifies exponentially )
1884447;1546622544;mircea_popescu;starts wanting to dust off armors.
1884448;1546622550;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: was my reaction precisely.
1884449;1546622676;mircea_popescu;this is worse than "czech glass, dummy. if you polish it like-so.." ftr. much, much worse.
1884450;1546622700;asciilifeform;it's a 'the fucking key was in your pocket, lol' sorta wtf gem.
1884451;1546622754;mircea_popescu;one day my car mechanic is going to come into this room, pour a quart of oil into the box, and make a whole new os this way.
1884452;1546622761;mircea_popescu;then we'll all use that and all will be well.
1884453;1546622767;asciilifeform;1 application asciilifeform immediately thought of, discussed nowhere, is lightweight shielding ( need X times less square metrage of pb sheet as you have diff b/w focused and unfocused ! )
1884454;1546622792;mircea_popescu;aha! could make some really cool shelters with this.
1884455;1546622816;asciilifeform;was thinking moar along lines of 'fly on mars without frying' mega-puzzler, but yes
1884456;1546622829;mircea_popescu;(likbez : problem with nuclear shelter is that Bremsstrahlung. but with this... well... make it go away)
1884457;1546622870;asciilifeform;aha, as i undestand brems gets refracted along same vector as the orig photon
1884458;1546622877;asciilifeform;so goes to the desired place.
1884459;1546622897;mircea_popescu;(ie, you are MORE likely to die for being behind sheet lead/steel/whatever than not. because high energy electron won't hurt you at all -- or even see you -- but the tons of gamma it spews as the metal plate decelerates it WILL fucking fry you)\
1884460;1546622908;asciilifeform;(notably ~not~ the case with grazing 'optics' )
1884461;1546622915;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform exactly. fundamental reason why shelter ~= useless
1884462;1546622927;asciilifeform;well traditionally 'shelter useless' cuz neutrons
1884463;1546622941;mircea_popescu;you can afford to make plate thick enough to neuter those.
1884464;1546622964;mircea_popescu;but all the classical films include "bottom of this here mountain" because do the math, one single electron can produce enough gamma to fry an egg
1884465;1546622964;asciilifeform;neutron happily sails through 100m of iron, if enuff juice.
1884466;1546622974;mircea_popescu;yes but on a power law.
1884467;1546622978;asciilifeform;tru
1884468;1546623004;mircea_popescu;if there's one meter of steel and two meters of you, 99.x% of all neutrons energetic enough to go through the sheet will ALSO be energetic enough to go through you
1884469;1546623033;mircea_popescu;same would be true of electrons, too, except for the braking, which makes 99.x% of the energy of those NOT energetic enough to go through... take your picture.
1884470;1546623039;asciilifeform;the prob is the .x% that capture
1884471;1546623073;mircea_popescu;that is HOW the thickness of the sheet protects you from neutrons -- the thicker the sheet, the lower the loss into you. because that power law.
1884472;1546623085;asciilifeform;( observe that you dun need to cook the victim , like egg, he's just as dead when % of his Na turns to Mg etc
1884473;1546623090;asciilifeform;)
1884474;1546623130;asciilifeform;and naturally subj to power law, like anyffing else, or nuffin could live, sun would roast.
1884475;1546623173;mircea_popescu;this is not factually true. leaving aside how nuclear explosion not nearly as harmful to people as commonly misrepresented (and let's see http://trilema.com/2011/radiatia-si-corpul-omenesc/#comment-44772 re this), there's precious few neutron casualties recorded.
1884476;1546623197;asciilifeform;the jp nukes were neutron-poor, tho
1884477;1546623211;asciilifeform;( and we dun have good body of 'experimental subject' from laters )
1884478;1546623278;asciilifeform;but indeed, if anybody knows just how much neutron it takes to nail a man in militarily-relevant time frame, they aint tellin'
1884479;1546623427;asciilifeform;it sux, tho, having to bury the dead enemy, + his furniture, walls, the ground his house was on, in pb coffins, to take the territory.
1884480;1546623462;asciilifeform;hence why not so much interest, i suspect, in (misnomer, but) 'neutron bomb'
1884481;1546623897;mircea_popescu;well, there's the dood with the sphere lol
1884482;1546623946;asciilifeform;in moar mundane lulz, asciilifeform , after N-th vivisection of bolixtron, boots it up and finds that it turned into 'ordinary old crapple', i.e. no longer sees the card. thinks 'eh, shit', then -- remembers that it's a fuking '80s machine -- goes, cleans contacts. then finds, box again worx...
1884483;1546623980;mircea_popescu;next time try drilling little holes
1884484;1546623982;mircea_popescu;who knows.
1884485;1546623984;asciilifeform;lol
1884486;1546624001;*;mircea_popescu shall be now drilling holes in everything
1884487;1546624021;asciilifeform;'for 20kbux, i DRILL OWN HOLE!'(tm)(r)
1884488;1546624046;mircea_popescu;lol. eh, i got some of those kitten scratcher things, can drill microholes on the cheap.
1884489;1546624069;asciilifeform;btw electron beam makes exactly the sorta drill you want here.
1884490;1546624081;asciilifeform;good sphericity, steerable, just-so diameter, etc
1884491;1546624086;mircea_popescu;THE WARTENBERG RAKE!!!
1884492;1546624106;asciilifeform;lol
1884493;1546624115;*;asciilifeform actually has 1 somewhere..
1884494;1546624345;asciilifeform;incidentally might be interesting to get that lens baked as... a pcb ( commercial pcb houses will do al instead of cu, at comparable cost , plus whatever drillings )
1884495;1546624429;mircea_popescu;you're gonna roast yet.
1884496;1546624449;asciilifeform;but 0.1% less!111
1884497;1546624458;mircea_popescu;heh
1884498;1546624590;asciilifeform;the gods dangle, verily, their lures : largest usable hole so happens is the smallest commercially drillable pcb drill...
1884499;1546626296;mircea_popescu;keks
1884500;1546626621;asciilifeform;aand nao for an archaeo-sumthing compleeetely different : http://www.loper-os.org/pub/daykin/index.html
1884501;1546626666;mircea_popescu;addition only ?
1884502;1546626671;asciilifeform;in fact.
1884503;1546626690;asciilifeform;( addition over a finite field, to be pedantic )
1884504;1546626697;asciilifeform;which guess what.
1884505;1546626697;mircea_popescu;how the fuck did he pick 10k
1884506;1546626701;mircea_popescu;oh oh oh.
1884507;1546626704;asciilifeform;he was doin' it on paper.
1884508;1546626707;asciilifeform;with base10.
1884509;1546626722;mircea_popescu;lol. right. "addition" my foot. why the fuck do scientists misuse terms of art. "addition over finite field"!="addition"
1884510;1546626727;asciilifeform;now, nobody will be surprised to hear that this was never publicly used for anyffin, never appeared in schoolbooks, etc.
1884511;1546626785;mircea_popescu;why does he think this is fast ?
1884512;1546626792;asciilifeform;uni of reading, uk. wonder if d00d is still alive and within reach of diana_coman
1884513;1546626803;mircea_popescu;and why the fuck does he use ~substraction~, could have used addition instead for same exact money.
1884514;1546626812;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: he doesn't . read carefully.
1884515;1546626817;asciilifeform;he uses a complement.
1884516;1546626829;asciilifeform;( for some reason did not use the standard name for it, why -- i do not know )
1884517;1546626833;mircea_popescu;right, but he complement-decrements
1884518;1546626841;asciilifeform;he straight-out complements.
1884519;1546626872;mircea_popescu;o he does. he does. right you are, look at that.
1884520;1546626913;asciilifeform;same thing as in e.g. http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/hypertext/ch14/fz_mul__adb.htm#164_7 .
1884521;1546626954;mircea_popescu;"At each subsequent stage, the next number is the last N plus the last Z ; carries out of bounds are ignored ; if anything's ignored the next number's an N, otherwise a Z. " to take it out of the idiotic format.
1884522;1546626992;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the pedantery wherein he explains how "substraction really adition because transform and add 1" is so fucken cute... when is this, 1920 ?
1884523;1546626997;asciilifeform;nfi
1884524;1546627003;asciilifeform;but it ends up resolving to euclid.
1884525;1546627026;asciilifeform;~without~ the 3 separate full-width subtractions that e.g. constanttimeized stein's gcd needs.
1884526;1546627042;asciilifeform;apparently nobody noticed.
1884527;1546627044;mircea_popescu;and look at that, straight up induction proof.
1884528;1546627069;mircea_popescu;did i mention i like your treasure trove finds a lot more these days ?
1884529;1546627080;asciilifeform;i try to find the goodstuff!
1884530;1546627105;mircea_popescu;flow diagram included.
1884531;1546627109;asciilifeform;realize, this is ch.15.
1884532;1546627120;asciilifeform;and directly affects how fast we can bake primes.
1884533;1546627166;asciilifeform;( and yes we'll bake primes without leaking the intermediates. which means that gcd eats full width of register, miller-rabin actually fires 9000 times , etc )
1884534;1546627424;mircea_popescu;aha
1884535;1546627426;asciilifeform;all i need nao is the proof that the thing needs F(B) turns of the crank to converge, where B is bitness of operands, and it's battlefield-ready.
1884536;1546627458;asciilifeform;( naturally not written as he wrote it, with the shaved additions, but with full widths. but still )
1884537;1546627458;mircea_popescu;can not converge in more than 2^B turns.
1884538;1546627462;mircea_popescu;there's your proof.
1884539;1546627476;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is troo for stein. but gotta show that this is isomorphic to stein.
1884540;1546627515;mircea_popescu;think about it, if it converged in more than 2^B turns, then you'd have a B bit number contain B+k bits of information.
1884541;1546627531;mircea_popescu;(ie, it's encode how many turns)
1884542;1546627558;asciilifeform;well actually typo, stein converges in B shots.
1884543;1546627573;asciilifeform;euclid's subtractor in 2^B, and therefore runs in geological time for bignums
1884544;1546627602;mircea_popescu;ah, yeah. you want LINEAR F
1884545;1546627609;asciilifeform;a usable gcdtron converges in B, or 2B, etc. shots, or it's rubbish
1884546;1546627618;asciilifeform;correct.
1884547;1546627623;asciilifeform;as in stein.
1884548;1546627645;mircea_popescu;pretty sure it doesn't converge in B
1884549;1546627660;asciilifeform;stein -- does
1884550;1546627682;mircea_popescu;no i mean daykin
1884551;1546627685;asciilifeform;( it's in knuth v2 )
1884552;1546627701;asciilifeform;it appears to, tho. but needs proof.
1884553;1546627771;mircea_popescu;i think it converges in B or B+1 by parity
1884554;1546627780;asciilifeform;that'd mean B+1
1884555;1546627802;mircea_popescu;right
1884556;1546627841;asciilifeform;( recall how constanttimeization is done, when converged, you set the stopper and fz_mux outputs the answer , after that algo runs however many shots remain but without affecting the output )
1884557;1546627844;mircea_popescu;well, i got other firepits to attend to, but what a great logmorning this has been!
1884558;1546627849;asciilifeform;laters.
1884559;1546628499;asciilifeform;in other lulz for the l0gz, python has some pretty ridiculous inbandisms. consider:
1884560;1546628515;asciilifeform;>>> 511 + 8832
1884561;1546628515;asciilifeform;9343
1884562;1546628516;asciilifeform;but:
1884563;1546628528;asciilifeform;>>> 0511 + 8832
1884564;1546628528;asciilifeform;9161
1884565;1546628556;asciilifeform;apparently it interprets the 05 as.. base prefix.
1884566;1546628577;asciilifeform;somehow i used python for yrs as an adhoc calculator and had nfi this bomb were there.
1884567;1546628664;asciilifeform;motherfucking http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874871 .
1884568;1546628664;a111;Logged on 2018-11-26 18:22 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have a strong bias against proggies which try to be 'smart'
1884569;1546628727;asciilifeform;Only A Terrorist(tm)! would ever put in leading zeros! or wat.
1884570;1546628798;asciilifeform;https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2015-July/694349.html << confirmed lul.
1884571;1546628879;asciilifeform;i'd say moar, but mircea_popescu already formulated concisely, in http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-04#1884378 .
1884572;1546628879;a111;Logged on 2019-01-04 16:47 mircea_popescu: ie, EXACTLY these dead horses smart people are dragging around on their own fucking power to sheer exhaustion.
1884573;1546629621;asciilifeform;further upstack , i read http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-04#1884475 and was waiting for mention of free-radical scavengers , e.g. WR-2721 and other variations on the theme, but didn't find..
1884574;1546629621;a111;Logged on 2019-01-04 17:32 mircea_popescu: this is not factually true. leaving aside how nuclear explosion not nearly as harmful to people as commonly misrepresented (and let's see http://trilema.com/2011/radiatia-si-corpul-omenesc/#comment-44772 re this), there's precious few neutron casualties recorded.
1884575;1546629725;asciilifeform;( aka amifostine . there's 5-6 publicly known variations on same leitmotif )
1884576;1546629874;asciilifeform;https://archive.vn/Ob6ti << ru army issues yet-others. whole subj shrouded in bolix-esque aura of seekrederpery, for decades.
1884577;1546630767;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-04#1884512 -> last published paper seems to be from 1985, uni reading's website mentions him as part of "combinatorics @ Reading" but "retired"
1884578;1546630767;a111;Logged on 2019-01-04 18:33 asciilifeform: uni of reading, uk. wonder if d00d is still alive and within reach of diana_coman
1884579;1546630783;asciilifeform;not very surprising
1884580;1546630807;asciilifeform;most of the folx whose heads worked in 1970s, long ago reached end of working life
1884581;1546630824;asciilifeform;ty for digging tho, diana_coman .
1884582;1546630840;diana_coman;np, worth a dig anyway
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1884586;1546656914;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform wtf is wrong with bc
1884587;1546657073;mircea_popescu;"Python ints don't have a fixed number of\ndigits." priceless. especially for the 000a intercalation.
1884588;1546657863;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/no-such-labs-snsa-december-2018-statement/ << Trilema -- No Such lAbs (S.NSA), December 2018 Statement
1884589;1546658547;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nuffin wrong with 'bc', but it aint a replacement for customary full 'perlistic' toolbox really
1884590;1546658582;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-05#1884588 << lol pretty compact
1884591;1546658582;a111;Logged on 2019-01-05 03:11 feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/no-such-labs-snsa-december-2018-statement/ << Trilema -- No Such lAbs (S.NSA), December 2018 Statement
1884592;1546658725;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: funnily enuff, i've found myself using ffacalc itself, on many occasions when prev would've used python or bc etc
1884593;1546658759;asciilifeform;( esp for modular arithmetic , where neither python, perl , bc , really worx without extensive fiddlage )
1884594;1546658838;asciilifeform;i'm satisfied with my proof that my e.g. mul, div, modexp, actually work.. which is moar than i can say for 'bc'
1884595;1546658992;asciilifeform;!!up pehbot
1884596;1546658992;deedbot;pehbot voiced for 30 minutes.
1884597;1546659014;asciilifeform;!A .~.80LS#
1884598;1546659015;pehbot;asciilifeform: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF00000000000000000000000000000000
1884599;1546659029;asciilifeform;^ difficult to do in e.g. python, without 5-6lines of crud.
1884600;1546660002;mircea_popescu;i don't expect it can be beat for mod work
1884601;1546697333;mircea_popescu;well, meanwhile it's the 5th day of this fine new year, and it occurs to me it might be a good idea to discuss some things, lest april coming around this year like any other year be perceived as some kind of subjective surprise, rather than the objective necessity it ever is.
1884602;1546697416;mircea_popescu;foremost, the lordship is not a state, but an activity.
1884603;1546697630;mircea_popescu;so : as far as i know, bingoBoingo is working on qntra and on pizarro. he's doing a very fine job with the former ; i'm nonplussed with recently discovering just how broken the latter's mp-wp offering actually was ; moreover it seems to me from a distance pizarro's still financially and customer-wise entirely dependent, ie as close to failure as you can possibly get without spelling it out.
1884604;1546697644;diana_coman;fwiw I can't say I saw a surprise so far in any of the april announcements; at most more of a difference of degree at times (i.e. the expected direction/action but to a larger/smaller degree)
1884605;1546697646;mircea_popescu;yet -- it is not my business ; so i'm just going to count it as such, "working on pizarro" without further inquiry (and with the firm expectation that someone IS doing all that).
1884606;1546697674;mircea_popescu;diana_coman well hopefully thusly we smooth that out.
1884607;1546697691;diana_coman;I'm all for the talk, certainly
1884608;1546697777;mircea_popescu;diana_coman is working for s.mg ; we've recently had this exact talk and revised our plans. originally the idea was to have moved over to cuntoo, and do support work for community-driven effort at a new client. the latter completely collapsed over the shocking weakness of such community ; the former's at best delayed.
1884609;1546697874;mircea_popescu;so, she'll be doing client work with her own two hands, something i had every intention to avoid ; and we'll be looking at integrating cuntoo on the server side later on. there's some db work in the hopper also, but that's even further on the maturity vine.
1884610;1546697922;mircea_popescu;hanbot is working on the mp-wp tree, and manages as she long has a rather largeish wetworks i'm not going to get into the details of.
1884611;1546698042;mircea_popescu;other than maintaining the deedbot infrastructure, trinque is working on cuntoo, which is a rather large piece and it taking a [difficult to predict] while is not by itself the end of the world ; but i'd like to see some roadmapping, tentative and subject to change as it may be, lest the effort degenerates.
1884612;1546698167;mircea_popescu;finally, asciilifeform is working on rsa-based ssl-ism replacement (notwithstanding he ~seems to be~ working on any and all wank on the "side" during spare time he doesn't have and all that), which we want so we can finally move bitcoin off sheer cretinity and into cuntoo (and which is principally why we want sane db also, but as i said -- yet immature).
1884613;1546698332;mircea_popescu;other than this, mod6 is taking time off, since mid-november. nothing wrong with this, but i'd like to see some conclusions at some point.
1884614;1546698419;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron seems lost in a bucolic paradise slash midwestern parochial nightmare of his own choosing. nothing wrong with this either, and unless i hear any better that will be the conclusion.
1884615;1546698458;mircea_popescu;i have no idea what ben_vulpes is doing these days, if anything (other than maintaining his logotron, whatever that takes). i would like to hear.
1884616;1546698521;mircea_popescu;lobbes recently unveiled actionbot, which works fine, and is evidently putting all time he can into paying off technological debt he's responsible for if not necessarily guilty of. nothing wrong with this, and it can stand as such.
1884617;1546698633;mircea_popescu;spyked is evidently trying, hence feedbot, but evidently having trouble reconciling saeculum, which i'm going to let stand as such on the grounds that he's new -- even though experience shows that as a dubious idea [for all the eg one could possibly need witness how asciilifeform 's still in the swamp, so many years later].
1884618;1546698659;mircea_popescu;let's just say it's my considered oppinion "difficulty in reconciling" such is almost never actually due to said saeculum.
1884619;1546698776;mircea_popescu;ave1 is, i suspect, silently working on gnating things -- which is fine and valuable except for the silently part. there's this tendency of lone wolf scientist to not properly report failures, out of an imaginary saving of time and resources this permits. it must be said that NOTHING could be further from the truth, nothing at all -- there's more to be gained from a properly reported failure to find than out of ten shiny succ
1884620;1546698776;mircea_popescu;esses.
1884621;1546698799;mircea_popescu;but really, it serves no one to let me suspect. i should know.
1884622;1546698875;mircea_popescu;which leaves phf ; who's doing an excellent job maintaining very elegant and well done extant infrastructure, and a very terrifyingly poor job at communicating himself.
1884623;1546699029;mircea_popescu;i do not know, as i sit here, what the conclusion of the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881988 discussion was, three weeks later. the man sits among a republic built on a certain methodology, aims to quietly use the exact ~other~ methodology, makes no prior mention of this, candidly references the latter as if it worked notwithstanding how howlingly it failed to work to date, on and on in this vein and at the end of it al
1884624;1546699029;a111;Logged on 2018-12-19 20:09 phf: you're constantly in logs, confused as to how anyone can get anything from anyone, yet now you're questioning my methods.
1884625;1546699029;mircea_popescu;l i have not the faintest what even came of the long avoided but eventually unavoidable discussion.
1884626;1546699137;mircea_popescu;so, phf : how about you start clearly communicating yourself, beginning with a complete, correct and true to life adnotation of said discussion in your own hand, because this "ima go meditate on things until everyone involved forgot what i was meditating on" isn't a workable approach to intellectual life.
1884627;1546699205;mircea_popescu;this about concludes the state of affairs ; i'd like nothing more than corrections, disputations &c by they involved.
1884628;1546700729;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-05#1884612 << fwiw i've ~exhausted the short-term milk of the particular side cow ( there's a disk snapshot & a recipe to post, but after that will be stalled for aeons ) ;
1884629;1546700729;a111;Logged on 2019-01-05 14:22 mircea_popescu: finally, asciilifeform is working on rsa-based ssl-ism replacement (notwithstanding he ~seems to be~ working on any and all wank on the "side" during spare time he doesn't have and all that), which we want so we can finally move bitcoin off sheer cretinity and into cuntoo (and which is principally why we want sane db also, but as i said -- yet immature).
1884630;1546700746;asciilifeform;currently focused on ch15.
1884631;1546700784;asciilifeform;orig release sched is blown, asciilifeform's current desire is to get again to the point where can patch its tyre and reinflate and have rel sched again
1884632;1546700830;asciilifeform;( in orig timeline also did not include problem of constant-time keccak, which i presently do not have, and neither anyone else, but is necessary to fill mircea_popescu's spec for the final product )
1884633;1546701004;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-05#1884623 << at the risk of pouring petrol into that particular fire, fella also promised a http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-06#1859075 item iirc
1884634;1546701004;a111;Logged on 2019-01-05 14:37 mircea_popescu: i do not know, as i sit here, what the conclusion of the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881988 discussion was, three weeks later. the man sits among a republic built on a certain methodology, aims to quietly use the exact ~other~ methodology, makes no prior mention of this, candidly references the latter as if it worked notwithstanding how howlingly it failed to work to date, on and on in this vein and at the end of it al
1884635;1546701004;a111;Logged on 2018-10-06 23:51 phf: asciilifeform: i don't have binary diffing even in prototype form, if you could adaize your needleman-wunsch i could add it to vtools, the way i did with diana_coman's keccak
1884636;1546701050;asciilifeform;err, bin ~delete~ knob
1884637;1546701052;mircea_popescu;he promised to ask you for an item ? or is this ada n-w published somewhere meanwhile ?
1884638;1546701057;asciilifeform;i have wrong link, 1s
1884639;1546701070;mircea_popescu;maybe it;s not as wrong as all that. did you ever make that thing ?
1884640;1546701226;asciilifeform;bin differ ? yes. but it was never made to current-day tmsr quality , i shelved it when mircea_popescu said it wasn't particularly useful
1884641;1546701239;asciilifeform;( and i currently agree, really one ought not to have bins in vtrees )
1884642;1546701310;asciilifeform;i posted a complete needleman in cl ( also a draft, rather than troo genesis, nobody stood up and said 'i want this' so shelved ) 2y ago, also.
1884643;1546701360;mircea_popescu;the ~algo~ tho. not specifically for v trees, but it strikes me there doesn't exist currently a bin differ ~at all~.
1884644;1546701438;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760563 ( napkin-level but working item i posted on prev occasions )
1884645;1546701438;a111;Logged on 2017-12-29 05:34 asciilifeform: >>>>> https://archive.is/jMMqT
1884646;1546701473;asciilifeform;and yes it worx. you give it a similarity matrix (i.e. 'what differences are important, in the order of their importance' in matrix form) and it produces an alignment.
1884647;1546701492;mircea_popescu;mkay. in the immortal words of that fellow, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-12#1880371
1884648;1546701492;a111;Logged on 2018-12-12 19:41 BingoBoingo: ^ Any awk ninjas want to try this on a few forums?
1884649;1546701518;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if you have a concrete application in mind, i can spare an hour or 2 to bake
1884650;1546701536;mircea_popescu;alright ; we leave it like this for now.
1884651;1546701542;asciilifeform;aite
1884652;1546701563;asciilifeform;algo's pretty simple btw, 1970s thing ( tho iirc it aint in knuth aop for some reason )
1884653;1546701677;asciilifeform;grr, was looking for mircea_popescu's also for vtron file movements, still not found in log
1884654;1546701680;asciilifeform;*algo
1884655;1546701706;asciilifeform;the 1 phf went to implement and not yet came back with.
1884656;1546701719;asciilifeform;( phf if yer stuck, pleez say on what ? )
1884657;1546701737;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-03#1792105
1884658;1546701737;a111;Logged on 2018-04-03 00:02 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the logged discussion on the topic was, "if hashes match but paths do not, the file was moved ; if hashes match and paths match, the file is untouched ; if hashes do not match but paths match the file was modified ; if hashes do not match and paths do not match the file was created/deleted"
1884659;1546701742;asciilifeform;there we go.
1884660;1546701743;asciilifeform;ty mircea_popescu
1884661;1546701747;mircea_popescu;yw.
1884662;1546701975;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-05#1884609 << mircea_popescu is that db baking blocked on http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-16#1873099 ?
1884663;1546701975;a111;Logged on 2019-01-05 14:17 mircea_popescu: so, she'll be doing client work with her own two hands, something i had every intention to avoid ; and we'll be looking at integrating cuntoo on the server side later on. there's some db work in the hopper also, but that's even further on the maturity vine.
1884664;1546701975;a111;Logged on 2018-11-16 23:13 asciilifeform: it is on hold pending resolution of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-26#1866266 ( and is taking back seat to ffa currently )
1884665;1546702024;asciilifeform;( possibly diana_coman will answer this when wakes up )
1884666;1546702044;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-26#1866266
1884667;1546702044;a111;Logged on 2018-10-26 02:14 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in gnat bugs : apparently ( and this is documented or mentioned nowhere ) : it is impossible to have a Ada.Finalization.Limited_Controlled type ANYWHERE inside a static library, unless it is generic all the way down (i.e. if the lib package is generic, any sub-packages must also be instantiated as generics )
1884668;1546702064;*;asciilifeform is refreshing chalkboard, would like to get a sense of the set of items he personally owes
1884669;1546702086;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not ~just~ on that. also on http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-04#1878240 and on a larger pile of [not entirely specified, and i suspect not entirely known] edges.
1884670;1546702086;a111;Logged on 2018-12-04 15:14 mircea_popescu: it's not exactly clear to me yet what the situation is. it's altogether possible postgres may be rescuable through a process similar to how "peculiar linux candidate packaging sterilized into cuntoo".
1884671;1546702113;asciilifeform;right; i'm mapping out which 'known and unknown edges' are mine
1884672;1546702193;asciilifeform;if diana_coman is 'stuck on X, cannot move' and it is asciilifeform's X, i'd like to know about it asap.
1884673;1546702345;mircea_popescu;certainly.
1884674;1546702379;asciilifeform;since we're refreshing chalkboards in war room, i'ma take the chance to summarize current level of ffaism. currently exponentiator is mature ( aside from the consideration where http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-28#1883687 , i.e. it's mature when ~other~ thinkingpeople have fit it into head and concurred ) -- i.e. runs fast enuff for many battlefield applications
1884675;1546702379;a111;Logged on 2018-12-28 20:35 asciilifeform: diana_coman: sadly i do not know how to 'guarantee perfection'. all i know how to do is to bake maximally 'fits in head' and bank that the folx here will find mistake if it turns out that i made one.
1884676;1546702419;asciilifeform;what remains is 1) prime-baking 2) rsa (and similar cryptosystems, tho c-s dun need it) padtron -- requires constant-spacetime keccak 3) optional asmistic speedups.
1884677;1546702452;mircea_popescu;wait, when did we move off oaep for rsa padding ?!
1884678;1546702459;asciilifeform;we haven't
1884679;1546702461;asciilifeform;that's item 2.
1884680;1546702467;mircea_popescu;why does it need keccak ?
1884681;1546702476;asciilifeform;cuz that's how mircea_popescu specified the padding
1884682;1546702487;asciilifeform;diana_coman implemented prototype, using koch
1884683;1546702504;mircea_popescu;ima go have to re-read this now
1884684;1546702505;asciilifeform;rsa-oaep requires hashtronics for padding.
1884685;1546702575;mircea_popescu;http://ossasepia.com/2018/03/01/eucrypt-chapter-12-wrapper-c-ada-for-rsa-oaep/#selection-133.1-133.132 << right, and you want to use ~constant time~ keccak
1884686;1546702582;asciilifeform;correct
1884687;1546702640;mircea_popescu;bitcoin, of course, needs this at no juncture.
1884688;1546702640;asciilifeform;otherwise all of the nonleakage guarantees bought at the cost they were bought at, vanish.
1884689;1546702655;asciilifeform;bitcoin dun use rsa at all, at least in classical variant of bitcoin
1884690;1546702675;asciilifeform;it needs an entirely other item ( which can be sewn from ffa parts, but has not been of yet )
1884691;1546702676;mircea_popescu;right.
1884692;1546702702;asciilifeform;i'ma prolly have to do ~this~ with own hands, too -- no one yet stood up and said 'i will'
1884693;1546702756;mircea_popescu;point being : de-sslification of bitcoin is not stalled on this. it is stalled on prior de-sslification of cuntoo, which as such doesn't yet exist, which is not really stalled on this either.
1884694;1546702798;mircea_popescu;but rather, from what i understand, is taking finishing touches re reproducible builds, consisting principally of hunting for "Where does it piss in date or w/e ruining my sigs"
1884695;1546702814;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: correct. the item that needs padtron, is mircea_popescu's specced 'fuckng replace gpg already' ; and possibly also koch-free euloratrons.
1884696;1546702839;mircea_popescu;in the sense eucrypt uses mpi you mean ?
1884697;1546702848;asciilifeform;aha
1884698;1546702892;asciilifeform;also recall the (surprising to asciilifeform , but apparently nobody else) discovery that ffatron as-is-stands is ~2.5x faster than koch.
1884699;1546702907;mircea_popescu;right. a mpi-eucrypt vs ffa-eucrypt head-on will be interesting to see.
1884700;1546702911;asciilifeform;( otoh euloratron does not spend much cpu in rsa, as currently sewn )
1884701;1546702967;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it doesn't ; nor will it, because what truly brings serpent in is the ~space~ not the time problem. ie, because of padding, straight rsa doubles message bulk, which is a major problem for online game.
1884702;1546702977;asciilifeform;right
1884703;1546702989;asciilifeform;this is entirely tru
1884704;1546703009;mircea_popescu;but the fact that we have the eucrypt item is very useful inter alia especially for such simulated-userland-tests for core libs.
1884705;1546703047;asciilifeform;well until last wk it was the only rsatron we had that ran in something like realtime
1884706;1546703048;mircea_popescu;esp because correctly written, with tests etc. so can meaningfully do ffa-eucrypt vs mpi-eucrypt as a benchmark.
1884707;1546703064;asciilifeform;( diana_coman's , that is )
1884708;1546703103;asciilifeform;and as of right nao it's the only ~complete~ rsatron we have, i.e. that knows how to bake privkeys
1884709;1546703117;asciilifeform;asciilifeform's current thrust is to catch up to ~that~
1884710;1546703132;mircea_popescu;right.
1884711;1546703165;asciilifeform;( when i have ~complete~ sys, ~then~ mircea_popescu can go 'hmm, which one to sew ~here~' etc )
1884712;1546703187;mircea_popescu;the more toys to play with, the more playing to be had
1884713;1546703276;asciilifeform;tbh i'm not sure what kochtronic rsa will be good for once i have the keygenning ( it apparently dun win on speed anywhere, even tho it gets to skip 0s in modexp.. ) but this time not yet come.
1884714;1546703332;asciilifeform;the 1 application where ffa defo dunwork, and koch -- does, is phuctor.
1884715;1546703357;asciilifeform;( i dun have e.g. strassen's multiplication algo, and dun have any plans to implement, it only wins for multi-megabyte ints )
1884716;1546703358;mircea_popescu;irony of ironies.
1884717;1546703368;diana_coman;asciilifeform, what it's good for is at least ...for contrast!
1884718;1546703378;asciilifeform;hey , partizan is perfectly happy to use schmeisser taken off dead german.
1884719;1546703389;asciilifeform;ohai diana_coman
1884720;1546703405;diana_coman;and yes, I'm eating up ffa with an eye on "maybe I can finally get rid of MPI!!"
1884721;1546703419;*;diana_coman waves and catches up on logs
1884722;1546703444;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i described in this log what currently stands between 'throw out mpi' . lemme know if needs moardetail.
1884723;1546703496;asciilifeform;( tldr -- asciilifeform needs : wrapup of gcd; then miller-rabin; then keccak. )
1884724;1546703599;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: possibly i ought add : ~mpi~ dunhave strassen. ~gmp~ (the older, 'uncut' gnu thingie) has strassen.
1884725;1546703611;asciilifeform;mpi had only (ugly as fuck) karatsubatron.
1884726;1546703649;asciilifeform;i've been referring to mpi and gmp interchangeably as 'koch rsa', but this is unscientific, i must remind that they are diff items.
1884727;1546703658;mircea_popescu;what we call mpi is closer to gmp than what the retard crowd does anyway.
1884728;1546703664;mircea_popescu;right.
1884729;1546703683;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: mpi is subset of gmp that koch cut ( and ate $mil of microshit payola to do it, somehow ) , aha.
1884730;1546703722;diana_coman;asciilifeform, thing is: from eucrypt and eulora pov, mpi is used for "big num arithmetics" only so I CAN in fact switch to ffa even without ct-time miller-rabin esp if ffa turns out to be...faster than mpi
1884731;1546703728;diana_coman;basically there is no reason NOT TO
1884732;1546703728;asciilifeform;( phuctor, ftr, uses a (patched, to enable bigger ints) old gmp. with asmisms enabled. )
1884733;1546703748;asciilifeform;diana_coman: it still needs m-r
1884734;1546703780;asciilifeform;( as well as still needs diana_coman to eat & digest the thing per se )
1884735;1546703825;asciilifeform;diana_coman: my current understanding is that in fact it's ~2.5x faster per bit of exponent length.
1884736;1546703894;asciilifeform;( i.e. one would have to put in mircea_popescu's specced exponent bitness where 'Bitness' is in http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/hypertext/ch14/fz_modex__adb.htm#85_14 , to get the speedup )
1884737;1546703932;asciilifeform;( as well as adjusting 'Wi' , etc. but you get the idea )
1884738;1546703933;diana_coman;asciilifeform, re m-r: I implemented it using mpi as per http://ossasepia.com/2017/12/28/eucrypt-chapter-3-miller-rabin-implementation/ ; ofc I'd rather use ffa ct-time implementation but it's not a sticking point per se i.e. I can switch my implementation from relying on mpi to relying on ffa, no?
1884739;1546703946;asciilifeform;diana_coman: correct, you in fact could
1884740;1546703967;asciilifeform;( if asciilifeform is flattened by an anvil tonight, i'd expect that diana_coman and mircea_popescu will do something of the kind. )
1884741;1546703998;asciilifeform;otherwise can wait for asciilifeform's constant-time m-r ( or not, depending on what's in eulora war room chalkboard, i cannot presume to know what the priority is )
1884742;1546704014;diana_coman;well, don't get flattened please, there's already waay more work than active hands as it is
1884743;1546704027;asciilifeform;i try to avoid anvils, so far succeeded..
1884744;1546704038;mircea_popescu;diana_coman nothing wrong with ~testing~ it at some point, anyway.
1884745;1546704087;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, exactly
1884746;1546704091;mircea_popescu;put some meat on the bones of his "check it out, speed!" thing, as a courtesy if nothing else.
1884747;1546704094;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: thing was built to be laughably easy to glue to other programs. (if it ain't -- i'd like to know asap why )
1884748;1546704105;mircea_popescu;and yes, in the process find whatever else.
1884749;1546704186;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in vintage, https://thumb-p0.xhcdn.com/a/NABeAMFkefz66Qu6LjtJ1w/000/015/504/830_1000.jpg
1884750;1546704198;diana_coman;asciilifeform, sometimes I wonder what exactly do you think you need/don't have to move to Romania or wherever else you consider it to be "paradise, can now do just ffa/trb/..."
1884751;1546704210;asciilifeform;diana_coman: moola
1884752;1546704229;asciilifeform;i'd expect that it would cost 1 or 2 diana_coman-days to glue ch14 ffa to euloratron, to see how performs using diana_coman's existing m-r etc.
1884753;1546704233;diana_coman;well yes, but specifically: how much would be "enough"?
1884754;1546704325;asciilifeform;diana_coman: pretty sure i discussed this depressing subj in l0gz prior, would rather not clutter war room log with replay; but it'd have to be enuff to buy new passport, at the very least, and then would need to earn bread somehow ( and as sit-in-torture-room, rather than driving cab , i dun think i'll be of much use to tmsr if living in cab )
1884755;1546704334;mircea_popescu;diana_coman amusingly, spending 50k or w/e it costs to get an old farm (including barn) in whatever, fucking alba county, go walking on the hillsides with the cowsies, would take him to his paradise, yet there he toils.
1884756;1546704353;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: fields plow themselves in ro, or how does that work , lol
1884757;1546704363;mircea_popescu;how does what work ?
1884758;1546704377;asciilifeform;barn-to-money thermodynamic machine
1884759;1546704383;mircea_popescu;farming is not an economic activity in europe ; nor has it for half a century or more.
1884760;1546704392;asciilifeform;i didn't think so. hence astonishment.
1884761;1546704401;mircea_popescu;i don't know what you're astonished at ?
1884762;1546704424;asciilifeform;what would '50k barn' do for asciilifeform?
1884763;1546704474;mircea_popescu;it'd pay your rent, and most of the cost of your http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-15#876029 budget.
1884764;1546704474;a111;Logged on 2014-10-15 19:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to follow that model. qntra isn't a seller of 0-dioxin, 1814-equivalent tomatoes, but a greengrocer where they don't hire retards and don't mix shit in the fruit sala.d
1884765;1546704501;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, that's precisely why I asked for concrete sum because the way I see it...he has it
1884766;1546704509;mircea_popescu;specifically, a 5 to 10k% increase in deliverables over what you currently achieve.
1884767;1546704533;asciilifeform;diana_coman: a ro passport sells for 800k usd, last i inquired
1884768;1546704566;diana_coman;why do you need the passport *first*? (i.e. not just get one after whatever hoops are in ro, living there for x years etc)
1884769;1546704596;mircea_popescu;most romanians don't have a passport either.
1884770;1546704607;asciilifeform;so as to have gedanken-farm in own name, say ? or to be able to occasionally cross borders without using u-boat , say ?
1884771;1546704611;mircea_popescu;so if anything, not having one makes you MORE romanian, not less.
1884772;1546704617;asciilifeform;( otherwise gotta add cost of u-boat.. )
1884773;1546704633;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you can cross border on your current one also lol wtf.
1884774;1546704671;asciilifeform;not once usg cancels it for unpaid tribute, neh
1884775;1546704674;mircea_popescu;you know for a fact hanbot lived there for what, better part of a decade. wtf 800k passport.
1884776;1546704684;asciilifeform;hanbot had a patron with castle, neh.
1884777;1546704693;mircea_popescu;well if usg cancels it you're then a refugee. they love those in yurp lol
1884778;1546704697;mircea_popescu;apply for a stateless person thing./
1884779;1546704735;asciilifeform;theoretically great, in practice they seem to send those back in chains to washingtonschwitz if they're subjects of trumplincton rather than africa
1884780;1546704748;mircea_popescu;your problems are in your own mind.
1884781;1546704766;mircea_popescu;wth, most everyone travels, you go visit the surrounding places now and again, takes care of the whole problem for you.
1884782;1546704768;asciilifeform;sorta why i dun go around expecting other folx to solve'em for me. i solve with own hands ( or not, if not live longenuff )
1884783;1546704790;mircea_popescu;you don't really want to winter in romania anyway.
1884784;1546704802;asciilifeform;so happens that i like winter on that parallel
1884785;1546704809;asciilifeform;it's my home parallel after all.
1884786;1546704818;mircea_popescu;then you don't wanna summer there.
1884787;1546704828;asciilifeform;do they have mosquitoes yet ?
1884788;1546704854;mircea_popescu;depends on exactly where, but notrly afaik.
1884789;1546704913;asciilifeform;i promise to come back to this thrd, if asked. but would like to not lose the subthread earlier : diana_coman mircea_popescu : is short-term plan to test ffaistic diana_coman-r-m ? and if so, what glue is needed for this from asciilifeform , i'ma bake.
1884790;1546704965;mircea_popescu;i imagine she's going to bake a test as time permits. it's not a top priority item but then again she moves fast.
1884791;1546704969;asciilifeform;aite
1884792;1546704986;asciilifeform;i dun expect it will need many litres of glue.
1884793;1546704992;mircea_popescu;might want to read through it / see it finished first / we. i'm not squeezing it.
1884794;1546705033;asciilifeform;what i prolly oughta roll into the conveyor, is a variant of ffacalc that's libraryized (i.e. callable from other program, with string argument containing pcode, and fills a provided buffer with the output)
1884795;1546705042;diana_coman;asciilifeform, first I do need to finish getting the ffa in, so that will still take quite a while; other than that, it's more a matter of "as time permits" and as mircea_popescu says it's not top priority; that being said yes, I'd like to do it and see some timings and comparison for myself
1884796;1546705048;asciilifeform;right
1884797;1546705139;asciilifeform;diana_coman: btw it is perfectly ok also to simply invoke the knobs exported in ffa.ads directly, but then you gotta take care of 1) endianism of the words being put in and gotten out , to match yours 2) testing for div0 , as done in http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/hypertext/ch14/ffa_calc__adb.htm
1884798;1546705184;asciilifeform;( if you use pcode, these get done inside ffacalc, and ditto the stack memory mechanics, as you prolly knew already )
1884799;1546705186;diana_coman;will keep in mind, ref the log when I get there; and definitely come and shout at asciilifeform when/if I get stuck on something related to this
1884800;1546705240;asciilifeform;user of pcode never has to manually consider memory, so long as he knows how much stack to instantiate it with ( e.g. for modular exponentiation, you need 3 FZ worth of stack ) , and it properly eggogs if you mismeasure.
1884801;1546705275;asciilifeform;so, to illustrate:
1884802;1546705276;asciilifeform;!!up pehbot
1884803;1546705277;deedbot;pehbot voiced for 30 minutes.
1884804;1546705283;asciilifeform;!A .~#
1884805;1546705283;pehbot;asciilifeform: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
1884806;1546705298;asciilifeform;!A FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF0
1884807;1546705298;pehbot;asciilifeform: EGGOG: Pos: 0: Stack Underflow!
1884808;1546705304;asciilifeform;err
1884809;1546705306;asciilifeform;!A .FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF0
1884810;1546705307;pehbot;asciilifeform: EGGOG: Pos: 65: Constant Exceeds Bitness!
1884811;1546705310;asciilifeform;^ there we go
1884812;1546705322;asciilifeform;or, e.g.,
1884813;1546705335;asciilifeform;!A .1.1.1MX (this is ok )
1884814;1546705335;pehbot;asciilifeform:
1884815;1546705351;asciilifeform;!A (but this aint ) .1.1MX#
1884816;1546705351;pehbot;asciilifeform: EGGOG: Pos: 22: Stack Underflow!
1884817;1546705356;asciilifeform;and so forth.
1884818;1546705391;asciilifeform;( this being for the given bitness, which in pehbot is hard-welded to 256 )
1884819;1546705441;asciilifeform;and likewise, you can put as many fz on stack as the stack height given in invocation of ffacalc, but not any moar.
1884820;1546705461;asciilifeform;( i'ma stop here, folx who ate ch4 know all of this kindergartenisms )
1884821;1546705723;asciilifeform;ffa is designed to be used via pcode (aka 'peh') but i'm not about to tell folx that they absolutely must. given the stated reqs (you gotta test for div0ism, we dun do it internally given as it's thermonuke performance) it can be safely used directly.
1884822;1546705813;asciilifeform;( for the l0gz, refresher: pcode is meant to give a mechanically simple system where yer privkey is a pcode string, and so is yer pubkey, and so are ciphertexts, and whole mechanism is set in motion simply by feeding pcode to the processor )
1884823;1546705826;diana_coman;well, I hardly see how you can *stop* people from using it directly or why exactly; and the endian + div0 don't sound like a huge layer anyway
1884824;1546705840;asciilifeform;rright, but i dun necessarily mean to even discourage people from using directly.
1884825;1546705850;asciilifeform;so long as they know which end of the rifle bullet goes out from.
1884826;1546705867;diana_coman;well, if they don't, they'll find out quickly :|
1884827;1546705873;asciilifeform;heh
1884828;1546705923;*;diana_coman goes back to chopping client "code"
1884829;1546706032;asciilifeform;( using it directly, is sorta analogous to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4QagenzsK0 . can be done... )
1884830;1546706220;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-05#1884619 << from ave1 , i hope to see a 'port' of tmsr-gnat that can be hard-welded into cuntoo as primary gcc ( to remove the hack where it builds gcc5, then down to 4.9, and neither of'em being a gnat )
1884831;1546706220;a111;Logged on 2019-01-05 14:32 mircea_popescu: ave1 is, i suspect, silently working on gnating things -- which is fine and valuable except for the silently part. there's this tendency of lone wolf scientist to not properly report failures, out of an imaginary saving of time and resources this permits. it must be said that NOTHING could be further from the truth, nothing at all -- there's more to be gained from a properly reported failure to find than out of ten shiny succ
1884832;1546706246;asciilifeform;also at some point it'd be great to have a mips gnat, so i can plant ffa on pocket-sized irons. but that's for muchlaters.
1884833;1546706279;asciilifeform;( already hats off to ave1 , who did year+ of gnat cleanup that asciilifeform was solidly convinced he'd have to do with own hands; and the fixed inlining gave us a ~2x ffa speedup 'for phree' ! )
1884834;1546706400;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-05#1884626 << i suspect phf is hunting elk in kamchatka, or similar , atm ( i.e. still waiting for http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=ffa refresh , so i dun think he's been at console much recently )
1884835;1546706400;a111;Logged on 2019-01-05 14:38 mircea_popescu: so, phf : how about you start clearly communicating yourself, beginning with a complete, correct and true to life adnotation of said discussion in your own hand, because this "ima go meditate on things until everyone involved forgot what i was meditating on" isn't a workable approach to intellectual life.
1884836;1546706468;asciilifeform;hopefully he comes back soonish ( i'ma not even pester him re bolix, bolix is asciilifeform's personal war, learned not to expect help from anyone, and currently in refrigerator, i dun expect to spend much time on it while ffa undone )
1884837;1546706642;asciilifeform;i admit that i'm at least a little curious how phf finally managed escape velocity from the bigzone, but if he doesn't feel like spilling re subj, also won't cry.
1884838;1546706755;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-05#1884603 << BingoBoingo i'd ~really~ like to hear what is current plan for gettin' heathen custom, so as to finally get the hell out of the red. asciilifeform dun have a massive treasure chest that can run pizarro 'on battery' 4evah (hopefully not surprising, this)
1884839;1546706755;a111;Logged on 2019-01-05 14:13 mircea_popescu: so : as far as i know, bingoBoingo is working on qntra and on pizarro. he's doing a very fine job with the former ; i'm nonplussed with recently discovering just how broken the latter's mp-wp offering actually was ; moreover it seems to me from a distance pizarro's still financially and customer-wise entirely dependent, ie as close to failure as you can possibly get without spelling it out.
1884840;1546706810;asciilifeform;and without pizarro, it will be very very cold and dark and we'll be drifting in the unforgiving vacuum of interstellar space.
1884841;1546707014;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: any idea what happened to esthlos ?
1884842;1546707020;asciilifeform;!#seen esthlos
1884843;1546707020;a111;2018-10-23 <esthlos> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1864316 << apologies alf, I'm running behind! trying to gather time to get caught up in the next week or two
1884844;1546708022;asciilifeform;to round out the 'loose ends' thread -- asciilifeform also has a ~90% built node-walker and www front end for same. but it is in refrigerator, no one is direly starving for the lack of the thing, i expect i'll come back and finish it off strictly after ffa is fielded .
1884845;1546708063;asciilifeform;there is also a serpent-on-ice40 thing, with similar level of unfinishitude; and a ice40-powered 'FG2', ditto.
1884846;1546708142;asciilifeform;( there is also a 'giant ice40' that amberglint dug up recently, that gotta be tested, but i dun even physically have 1 yet, and deliberately not bought so as not to distract from moar urgent matters )
1884847;1546708297;asciilifeform;to entirely round off the chalkboard, mircea_popescu may be interested to know that no one has called the 1-800 since we last spoke of it. the current summed cost stands at 12 orcbux, and is set to increment by 22 orcbux/mo ( we've spent the vendor's 'test drive' bait). i'ma cover the lunch money cost of this item until given to know that it aint wanted.
1884848;1546708384;asciilifeform;this concludes the 'state of asciilifeform' broadcast for nao -- plox to lemme know if i missed sumthing.
1884849;1546708389;*;asciilifeform will bbl, maintaining meat systems
1884850;1546709676;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> and without pizarro, it will be very very cold and dark and we'll be drifting in the unforgiving vacuum of interstellar space. << Today crunching monthly numbers. Followed on the agenda by reviewing 2018/putting forth tentative plan based on those lessons 2018
1884851;1546711620;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-05#1884616 << imo, this is a perfect summary of my current state. I walked through the tmsr doors in ~2014 at roughly epsilon and 'learned as I went'. As a result, many of my projects here were built on unsteady scaffolding, and I have been slowly going back and pouring in proper foundations where needed
1884852;1546711620;a111;Logged on 2019-01-05 14:28 mircea_popescu: lobbes recently unveiled actionbot, which works fine, and is evidently putting all time he can into paying off technological debt he's responsible for if not necessarily guilty of. nothing wrong with this, and it can stand as such.
1884853;1546711625;lobbes;possibly the bar to lordship will raise above me while I rebuild, but regardless I'ma keep rebuilding as it seems the only sane move for me. Ultimately, I just want to continue to be +ev for the republic and no way to do that without paying my technological debts
1884854;1546719171;lobbes;!Xsell 140mn 48 500 wired filthy fiats (WU)
1884855;1546719171;auctionbot;Sell order # 1033 created by lobbes: 500 wired filthy fiats (WU) Opening: 140mn ecu Ending: 2019-01-07 08:15:26.113976 UTC (47 hours)
1884856;1546722615;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in other olds, https://thumb-p1.xhcdn.com/a/YfBOpNSfEGCbtgf3vER4rg/000/015/504/831_1000.jpg
1884857;1546722792;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no idea re esthlos . maths dude who did summaries, then fell behind, then caught on and wanted to put more effort into it, then fell behind again. maybe he re-emerges.
1884858;1546722912;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah, give the phone thing a year or two, whynot.
1884859;1546722948;mircea_popescu;lobbes on the positive side, at least now you know that should that occur, it won't occur in 2019.
1884860;1546723753;lobbes;this is encouraging. And if it occurs in 2020, then by that time I'll hopefully have built the solid foundation upon which to launch back into lordship in 2021.
1884861;1546726884;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in moar pedestrian matters : daykin's algo , turns out, aint good for much -- at least, not in anyffin like orig form. consider the case where P is large ( but not at all close to complement(P) ) and Q is 1.
1884862;1546726917;asciilifeform;you get a potentially 'geological' number of steps that increment by 1.
1884863;1546726983;asciilifeform;( e.g. 64 bits worth of 'increment this 4096-bit fz by 1' is roughly 400 years... )
1884864;1546726989;mircea_popescu;works well for the example he gave -- numbers with same digit count.
1884865;1546726998;asciilifeform;aha, for napkin numbers.
1884866;1546727052;asciilifeform;i suspect that it's possible to cure it by adding 2^k-multiples of the small Q instead of Q itself, tho
1884867;1546727061;asciilifeform;( and then shifting out the 2^k )
1884868;1546727089;asciilifeform;rather like what we did in barrett.
1884869;1546727130;mircea_popescu;possibly
1884870;1546727145;asciilifeform;it is interesting to note, i did an exhaustive dig re gcd algos; and found that there are half a dozen sub-quadratic ones, but none of those can be made constant-time.
1884871;1546727153;asciilifeform;(i.e. working subquadratically in worst-case)
1884872;1546727169;asciilifeform;so anyffin we do for gcd is gonna be quadratic, q is strictly re the constant factor.
1884873;1546727252;asciilifeform;this isnt catastrophic (or surprising, apeloyee warned about it yr+ ago) , and the only place where need gcd is the pre-millerrabin primorial 'divisible by small primes?' litmus. but would still be good to cut the constant down.
1884874;1546727304;asciilifeform;and even a dog-slow gcd is still faster than knuth-division by each of million smallprimes.
1884875;1546728955;mircea_popescu;one simple solution would be to just keep digit-appropriate primorial.
1884876;1546728988;mircea_popescu;test as many small primes as their product is as many digits as your proposed large prime and be done with it, daykin will work ok for same bitness
1884877;1546729091;mircea_popescu;~that~ is one of the exceedingly rare justifications for magic number. "what is this 2048 bit strange ?" "the product of the first as-many-primes-as-their-product-fits-in-2048-bits"
1884878;1546730371;feedbot;http://bimbo.club/2019/01/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-september-and-october-1715-part-ii/ << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of September and October, 1715 - Part II.
1884879;1546731249;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: magic # primorials are unavoidable. but i dun immediately see how to make it go with daykin, there aint a bailey-borwein-plouffe-style algo for gcd
1884880;1546731259;asciilifeform;( i suspect btw that if there were , you could nail rsa, thinkaboutit )
1884881;1546731340;mircea_popescu;consider the simpler case of 16 bit rsa. you thus make two 8 bit primes. you daykin each of these with 210, which happens to be the 8 bit primorial, aka 11010010.
1884882;1546731448;mircea_popescu;had you instead used 32 bit rsa, you'd have had two 16 bit primes you'd have daykin'd with 2×3×4×7×11×13 aka 0x5DD8
1884883;1546731719;asciilifeform;soo hm, what's the idea, 8192 stored primorials ?
1884884;1546731785;mircea_popescu;just a 8192 bit number, equal to their product.
1884885;1546731811;mircea_popescu;you simply gcd each candidate prime with the same "product of primes in order up to bitness"
1884886;1546731826;mircea_popescu;it's a one-shot thing, and it eliminates however many dozen small primes.
1884887;1546731890;mircea_popescu;(i suppose if indeed you want to test MORE small primes than fit in one 8kb, you'll have a number of such composite numbers to test about. however many it takes. and yes, you can clever the knobs so they're not in strict order so that the composites are each exactly 8192 bits)
1884888;1546732113;asciilifeform;'product but up to bitness' dun do the same job
1884889;1546732357;asciilifeform;( storing e.g. 8192 primorials, ~would~ work, tho ugly, but ~would~ leak the bitness when fired )
1884890;1546732739;mircea_popescu;huh ?
1884891;1546732777;asciilifeform;primorial that fits in, e.g., 2047 bits, is not equal to '1st 2047 bits of primorial that fits in 2048'
1884892;1546732787;asciilifeform;( would be nifty if it were, tho... )
1884893;1546732847;asciilifeform;on top of this, if you actually carry out a diff stream of instructions for 2047 and 2048, you leak the bitness of the integer under test.
1884894;1546732853;asciilifeform;which is a nogo.
1884895;1546732906;asciilifeform;gcd(x, primorial) gotta use same instructions when x = 0, 1, ... as when it equals 2^ffawidth - 1 .
1884896;1546732930;mircea_popescu;dude, why is every little thing such a fucking uphill struggle with you. suppose you wish to see if x is coprime with the number 2. you run gcd (x, 2). suppose then you wish to also see if x is coprime with the number 3. you run gcd(x, 3). all this is EXACTLY EQUIVALENT to running gcd (x, 6) : if this returns 2, it was not coprime with 2, and if it returns 3, it was not coprime with 3.
1884897;1546732957;mircea_popescu;since your best gcd algo seems to be one that expects x and 6 be same bitness, there's nothing wrong with making a buncha prefab such products-of-primes.
1884898;1546732961;mircea_popescu;then test against them.
1884899;1546732969;asciilifeform;this much is correct, and why i have gcd to begin with. right nao i have a modified stein that goes in constanttime.
1884900;1546732979;asciilifeform;orig q was whether it is possible to improve the constant factor of stein.
1884901;1546733005;mircea_popescu;the whole discussion was re daykin, specifically that for our particular usecase, it's not the end of the world that it wants "napkin numbers" : we enjopy the luxury whereby we can construct them to measure.
1884902;1546733020;asciilifeform;it is used to take gcd(x, primorial(currentwidth)) , and if it dun equal 1 or x , then x is 'cheaply known composite' .
1884903;1546733048;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if you gotta do multiple calls to gcd to take gcd(x, primorial) you lose the win from using gcd.
1884904;1546733060;asciilifeform;whole point is that it tests for divisibility by million small primes in 1 pull of trigger.
1884905;1546733099;mircea_popescu;possibly. that's not clear, nor was it ever discussed before now. it MAY BE that a dozen calls of gdc-daykin(x, daykin-primorial) are in fact cheaper than 1 call to gdc-stein(x, primorial(currentwidth)).
1884906;1546733108;mircea_popescu;it all depends on the quadratic and parameters etc.
1884907;1546733121;asciilifeform;and yes it is possible to daykin with a hardcoded list of primorials, 1 for each possib bitness. the issue aint even that you gotta keep around e.g. 8192 primorials; ( you do, they can't be sliced ) , but that it leaks the bitness of X .
1884908;1546733137;mircea_popescu;the bitness of x is already leaked : 2048.
1884909;1546733140;asciilifeform;nope
1884910;1546733142;asciilifeform;the factual bitness
1884911;1546733142;mircea_popescu;...
1884912;1546733149;asciilifeform;which can be e.g. 1, or 17, etc
1884913;1546733154;asciilifeform;( index of highest 1 bit )
1884914;1546733154;mircea_popescu;what ?
1884915;1546733163;mircea_popescu;all our factors are 2048 bits per spec.
1884916;1546733167;asciilifeform;bitness in the FZ_Measure sense of the word.
1884917;1546733169;asciilifeform;of X !
1884918;1546733178;asciilifeform;not of the primorial ( 'Y' if you will )
1884919;1546733182;mircea_popescu;this wasn't a rsa genprime application ?
1884920;1546733184;asciilifeform;of the unknown integer being tested.
1884921;1546733191;asciilifeform;it is, and x is a random string from rng
1884922;1546733195;mircea_popescu;the "unknown integer" being tested IS ALWAYS 2048 BITS.
1884923;1546733203;asciilifeform;why, cuz you pegged the high bit ?
1884924;1546733217;mircea_popescu;cuz im not going to have non-2048 factors in my 4086 bit rsa key, wtf.
1884925;1546733218;asciilifeform;remember, gcd will be an exposed operator, 'G' . can be used for ~anything~ .
1884926;1546733225;asciilifeform;simply so happens that it is also needed for rsa primegen.
1884927;1546733237;asciilifeform;this is the montgomery thread replayed
1884928;1546733246;asciilifeform;no canhaz montgomery, cuz modexp gotta work for ALL ints.
1884929;1546733249;asciilifeform;same here.
1884930;1546733254;mircea_popescu;i thought this entire discussion was a) specifiucally as to daykin (not to stein) and b) specifically as to primegen for rsa secret key baking, (not "in general math functions).
1884931;1546733261;asciilifeform;tho i finally see what mircea_popescu was getting at earlier re daykin.
1884932;1546733273;asciilifeform;yes , you can do this is if all you want gcd for is primegen.
1884933;1546733283;asciilifeform;so happens that it is needed as a general-purpose knob tho.
1884934;1546733290;mircea_popescu;otherwise, i guess daykin gcd can exist as a class, native or extended, w/e.
1884935;1546733307;mircea_popescu;nobody is going to hate your ffa if it includes montgomery, with the proper warning.
1884936;1546733324;mircea_popescu;(whole thing already comes with a "nozero" rule anyways)
1884937;1546733329;asciilifeform;anyway i suspect that i'm overmassaging this particular piece, most of cost of primegen will be in m-r regardless of how i bake gcd.
1884938;1546733344;mircea_popescu;prolly.
1884939;1546733344;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nonzero rule is elementarily cuz you cant div0.
1884940;1546733389;asciilifeform;btw iirc apeloyee had a comment re 'why do you want to gcd(x, primorial), why dontcha generate a random x and multiply it by primorial + 1 '
1884941;1546733411;asciilifeform;i can't recall why i barfed tho, nao i gotta dig out the notes...
1884942;1546733459;asciilifeform;oh hm i recall nao. ( it was because operator 'P' wants to be a general-purpose primality test, valid for any input whatsoever that fits in the ffawidth, rather than simply 'generate prime' )
1884943;1546733488;asciilifeform;( why this is, is because for certain types of pubkeycrypto, you want to test adjacent nums for primality. rsa in particular. )
1884944;1546733507;mircea_popescu;i don't get it how you expect to multiply some value by a (product of primes +1) and not get an even number.
1884945;1546733574;asciilifeform;grr nao i gotta find the orig statement, which wasn't obv. broken
1884946;1546733582;asciilifeform;( mircea_popescu is elementarily correct here )
1884947;1546733617;asciilifeform;aah it was x * (primorial) + 1 obv.
1884948;1546733622;asciilifeform;not x * (primorial + 1 ) lol
1884949;1546733636;mircea_popescu;and this is... an even number.
1884950;1546733636;asciilifeform;as in euclid's proof-there-aint-a-last-prime.
1884951;1546733644;mircea_popescu;behold,
1884952;1546733647;mircea_popescu;!Qcalc 7 * 11 +1
1884953;1546733647;lobbesbot;mircea_popescu: 78
1884954;1546733681;asciilifeform;7 or 11 is a primorial ?!
1884955;1546733700;mircea_popescu;!Qcalc 3 * (5*7*11*13*17)+1
1884956;1546733700;lobbesbot;mircea_popescu: 255256
1884957;1546733722;asciilifeform;ok this dunwork, i'ma have to pull out the orig item
1884958;1546733732;mircea_popescu;well this was entertaining, bbl.
1884959;1546733735;asciilifeform;lol
1884960;1546733830;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-07#1722402 << oook here it was.
1884961;1546733830;a111;Logged on 2017-10-07 21:48 apeloyee: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1721485 << alternatively, can *construct* numbers which don't have very small factors. pick a nonzero remainder mod 2, mod 3, ... mod largest-prime-fit-in-your-primorial and find what number of primorial is congruent to it using chinese remainder theorem
1884962;1546733859;asciilifeform;not particularly relevant to the problem of general-purpose isPrime() tho, so i'ma put it back on shelf for nao.
1884963;1546734219;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-06#1884935 << i actually considered to have 'if low bit is 0 - i.e. N is even -- then montgomery, otherwise barrett' but what this does is break constanttimeism of modexp -- nao you broadcast the parity of N for whole planet, cuz entirely diff execution profiles for the 2 algos. and montgomery is at the very most a 10% revvup over barrett.
1884964;1546734219;a111;Logged on 2019-01-06 00:08 mircea_popescu: nobody is going to hate your ffa if it includes montgomery, with the proper warning.
1884965;1546734267;asciilifeform;( and if you montgomery, then you gotta either test whether gcd(N, modulus) == 1 , or ~assume~ , the latter is a mine that user will step on. unlike div0ism , it is not an inexpensive test . )
1884966;1546734278;mircea_popescu;i dunno why you barfed ; but i barfed because it's fucking stupid, you lose a lot of variety in your primes for no gains worth the mention.
1884967;1546734288;mircea_popescu;and i meant include barret ~as an optional~, like a callable function.
1884968;1546734300;mircea_popescu;since you're doing this "general purpose", there's no crime if user can call montgomery.
1884969;1546734305;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: barrett is the 1 that actually works for all integers without restricted domain.
1884970;1546734311;mircea_popescu;so ?
1884971;1546734334;asciilifeform;so , my spec was 'all operators do The Right Thing arithmetically, and program stops if you demand div0' , like yer cpu does.
1884972;1546734346;asciilifeform;rather than 'watch out, be sure that you constructed right inputs, or you might get soup'
1884973;1546734377;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the 'lose variety of primes' was my objection to using wholly-constructed primes. rather than in prelude to m-r .
1884974;1546734408;asciilifeform;( apeloyee originally proposed it as substitute for primality testing per se; where it elementarily constricts the domain of possible primes, and is unacceptable per my lights )
1884975;1546734415;mircea_popescu;right.
1884976;1546734436;mircea_popescu;anyway, nothing wrong with that ffa design choice, if you like it ; if you don't anymore, also not the end of world.
1884977;1546734451;asciilifeform;upstack, i'ma polish off stein, and see if the lily in fact needs gilding ~after~
1884978;1546734459;asciilifeform;rather than to hold up orchestra for its gilding.
1884979;1546734558;asciilifeform;( as for the other thing -- much of asciilifeform's oddball 'must work for all integers!' thrust, is on acct of his interest in cryptosystems other than classic rsa, e.g. c-s and variations on theme )
1884980;1546734601;asciilifeform;c-s actually has 1 interesting win over good old rsa -- it dun need a hash padtron
1884981;1546734618;asciilifeform;but this is a diff thread, possibly.
1884982;1546734639;asciilifeform;( and at any rate we gotta have trad rsa working 1st, before any such side dishes can be considered )
1884983;1546734792;mircea_popescu;sure.
1884984;1546734799;asciilifeform;i'm carrying out mircea_popescu's orig spec, where 'i want a peh key with my rsa modulus that i carved on the mountain' or how it went.
1884985;1546734824;mircea_popescu;just note that eucrypt having rsa does in no manner hurt your serpent-only-phonecrypto putative app ; just like it having serpent dun hurt a "this is my pgp implementation" usecase, and so on.
1884986;1546734857;asciilifeform;right. whole affair is 'what's the most general arithmetron that is also a useful rsatron', from my pov.
1884987;1546734859;mircea_popescu;libraries, definitionally, contain functionality some end users won't use.
1884988;1546734891;asciilifeform;correct. ( i'ma include jacobi operator, after thing is flying in the field, even tho none of the currently popular schemes use it, for instance. )
1884989;1546734937;mircea_popescu;right.
1884990;1546734948;asciilifeform;ideally , one'll be able to implement any crypto scheme without having to rip into the ada; simply by writing pcode.
1884991;1546734987;asciilifeform;at ~that~ juncture it'll be possible to ~hardwarize~ the thing, into the ultimate (per horse's mouth) usg nightmare.
1884992;1546734997;asciilifeform;( i.e usefully general-purpose cryptotron. )
1884993;1546735030;asciilifeform;i.e. that 8192-bit cpu mircea_popescu gedankenexperimented.
1884994;1546735062;mircea_popescu;right.
1884995;1546735103;asciilifeform;it'll be quite a riot, i expect, when the problem for enemy of determining what to do with ~an unknown pubkey~ is suddenly np-hard.
1884996;1546735153;asciilifeform;( suddenly, 'which of these bigints do we need to try and factor, and which are noise' becomes an open human-powered q ! for'em. )
1884997;1546735219;asciilifeform;it took asciilifeform 2y ( 3, if you count the mpi dead ends ) to build ~that~ deathray. and it's just about ready to fire..
1884998;1546735313;asciilifeform;i can picture, for instance, that some folx will have a pubkey where 'well, first you gotta decrypt via these 2 rsa keys, and depending on the low 4 bits of the plaintext, the rest is via 1 of these 4 c-s' or the like.
1884999;1546735351;asciilifeform;the problem of even beginning to break, becomes , from empty space, exponential.
1885000;1546735385;asciilifeform;( of course it also becomes possible to blow out yer own brains by misconstructing a pubkey, but this is a problem that existed before me and will exist after )
1885001;1546735484;asciilifeform;and this is before you even consider that the plaintext itself can be pcode...
1885002;1546735834;mircea_popescu;finally some actual movement in teh damned horses.
1885003;1546735888;asciilifeform;imho yes. actually using 'we have a comp' for sumthing tangible.
1885004;1546735912;asciilifeform;( in this case, to make enemy have to sweat to simply determine ~what cryptosystem~ particular key is for.. )
1885005;1546735948;asciilifeform;let'em 'ai' or whatever. haruspicy. necromancy.
1885006;1546736005;mircea_popescu;"them" keks.
1885007;1546736019;mircea_popescu;what fucking them. the ~pretense~ is entirely based on cheapness. no cheapness, no pretense.
1885008;1546736030;asciilifeform;for all values of 'thems', present, future.
1885009;1546736040;mircea_popescu;same exact reason preteen boys don't discuss their "sexual conquests" within hearshot of adult woman.
1885010;1546736043;asciilifeform;stupidity, as mircea_popescu pointed out in the old essay, 'has infinite health'
1885011;1546736147;mircea_popescu;i don't recall any villein serfs going around derping about http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884205 / http://trilema.com/2014/agency-and-other-notes/#selection-31.0-31.271 five centuries ago.
1885012;1546736147;a111;Logged on 2019-01-03 19:24 stratum: Right now, for the billions, I think it is probably better than nothing, just like easily popped household locks.
1885013;1546736160;asciilifeform;5 no , 2 yes
1885014;1546736176;asciilifeform;( even 5 maybe -- hussites ? )
1885015;1546736227;asciilifeform;or hm, who were the derps on mountain fort with 'equalite liberte'...
1885016;1546736230;asciilifeform;cathars ?
1885017;1546736262;asciilifeform;that sorta thing is always there, somewhere, like polio.
1885018;1546736267;mircea_popescu;closer to southern france resistence to growing crown than anything in the derp vein, but why not./
1885019;1546736349;asciilifeform;there's 'resistance' but then there's 'кто был ничем тот станет всем'(tm)(r), former dun necessarily roll in the latter
1885020;1546736400;asciilifeform;i suppose if archaeologizing re the latter, oughta start at spartacus..
1885021;1546744628;Mocky;I just hit double digit grand kids
1885022;1546744837;Mocky;and number 11 is in the oven
1885023;1546745061;asciilifeform;congrats Mocky
1885024;1546745140;asciilifeform;coincidentally, i nailed garbage panda #11 today.
1885025;1546745176;asciilifeform;( http://bimbo.club/#footnote_6_114 << them )
1885026;1546745231;asciilifeform;( not nearly as sisyphian work as may seem, 1 good hunt removes infestation for 2-3 month )
1885027;1546745720;Mocky;to bring it full circle, I saw one of my grandsons yesterday watching a cartoon about how helpful raccoons are for eating trash so less waste goes to the land fill, and how clean and friendly they are
1885028;1546745899;Mocky;was hoping to see a russian d00d shoot at them from a window, but no, instead the raccoons went down to the creek after dinner to wash their paws
1885029;1546747603;BingoBoingo;If only there were a way to get the locals to put the reject trash back in the dumpster when they finish mining
1885030;1546748108;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-06#1885027 << oblig >> http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-11#1015606
1885031;1546748108;a111;Logged on 2019-01-06 03:35 Mocky: to bring it full circle, I saw one of my grandsons yesterday watching a cartoon about how helpful raccoons are for eating trash so less waste goes to the land fill, and how clean and friendly they are
1885032;1546748108;a111;Logged on 2015-02-11 06:58 BingoBoingo: A viewer complained that an episode of the animated children’s series Peppa Pig was inappropriate for an Australian audience because it said that spiders were not to be feared. >> http://about.abc.net.au/complaints/peppa-pig-received/
1885033;1546748168;asciilifeform;'tis said that in gringolandia there's a steady stream of rabies cases from some derp who hand-feeds 'cute furry'  shitpanda
1885034;1546748306;asciilifeform;( fox is rare here, so the primary reservoir of the virus is instead this )
1885035;1546748429;asciilifeform;nicoleci aint wrong, btw, they'll walk right up to you.
1885036;1546751853;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Yes, as you have observe the local trash digging critters here in the Oriental Republic are more skittish than the panda vermin.
1885037;1546751861;feedbot;http://pizarroisp.net/2019/01/06/pizarro-update-january-6th-2019-november-and-december-2018-statements/ << PizarroISP -- Pizarro Update January 6th, 2019 - November and December 2018 Statements
1885038;1546752291;ave1;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-05#1884619, I worked on arm-ification of the UDP lib, this is done but write up is stuck.
1885039;1546752291;a111;Logged on 2019-01-05 14:32 mircea_popescu: ave1 is, i suspect, silently working on gnating things -- which is fine and valuable except for the silently part. there's this tendency of lone wolf scientist to not properly report failures, out of an imaginary saving of time and resources this permits. it must be said that NOTHING could be further from the truth, nothing at all -- there's more to be gained from a properly reported failure to find than out of ten shiny succ
1885040;1546752314;mircea_popescu;what happened to it ?
1885041;1546752382;auctionbot;Sell order # 1033: 500 wired filthy fiats (WU) Heard: 140mn from BingoBoingo. Ending: 2019-01-07 08:15:26.113976 UTC (38 hours 46 mins)
1885042;1546752398;ave1;well arm part works, but I wanted to do some more experimenting with how the call the asm, as register allocation cannot be specified in GNAT
1885043;1546752421;mircea_popescu;aha
1885044;1546752421;ave1;adding register allocation to gcc turned out to be too gnarly for this round
1885045;1546752432;ave1;so, yes, failure
1885046;1546752443;ave1;needs a write-up
1885047;1546752469;ave1;other thing is the ebuild script for gnat
1885048;1546752479;ave1;for cuntoo in gnat
1885049;1546752509;mircea_popescu;it is ~very~ useful to explain how things like this blew up, in writing. both for others today and for you tomorrow.
1885050;1546752520;mircea_popescu;i know it seems like a waste of time on the spot, the first time.
1885051;1546752531;mircea_popescu;it's a false impression.
1885052;1546752569;ave1;I have installed previous cuntoo versions, but have no machine free at the moment and I concluded from early reports here in the log that it did not work yet, so I postponed this work.
1885053;1546752595;mircea_popescu;Mocky a lot of the femstate's "solutions" to problems consist of this sorta acceptance bs. about as unsuprising as biology can ever get.
1885054;1546752653;ave1;About reporting failures, the reporting itself was also failing, but I will pick this up.
1885055;1546752967;ave1;Time wise, my last job ended in december and I started new job this year. Both finish- and start-up demand(ed) more time than I had earlier foreseen.
1885056;1546753262;mircea_popescu;how these things go.
1885057;1546767626;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-05#1884834 << i like the elk hunting theory, but i actually had a flu the past week
1885058;1546767626;a111;Logged on 2019-01-05 16:40 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-05#1884626 << i suspect phf is hunting elk in kamchatka, or similar , atm ( i.e. still waiting for http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=ffa refresh , so i dun think he's been at console much recently )
1885059;1546767626;lobbesbot;phf: Sent 1 week, 2 days, 6 hours, and 13 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> plox to snarf ch. 14b into http://btcbase.org/patches , ty !
1885060;1546767641;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-05#1884626 << i wasn't meditating, i just don't have the mental energy to defend myself. i'm in russia primarily to take care of my grandmother who has dementia, and she was in a pretty critical state when i got here. i'm sure it'll stabilize, but as of right now i don't trust myself to have rational conversations around sensitive subjects online.
1885061;1546767641;a111;Logged on 2019-01-05 14:38 mircea_popescu: so, phf : how about you start clearly communicating yourself, beginning with a complete, correct and true to life adnotation of said discussion in your own hand, because this "ima go meditate on things until everyone involved forgot what i was meditating on" isn't a workable approach to intellectual life.
1885062;1546767665;phf;i have nothing to dispute in the thread or in the consecutive conversations that i wasn't part of. for one, i think i lost my shit (i'm sure week 2 of grandmother also didn't help), because the very first mp reaction was the whole deal, with my role and the outcomes being immediately obvious: i made amorphous promises outside of the republic, and then attempted to badly navigate around them, with the inevitable result. trinque's
1885063;1546767666;phf;"talking past each other" comment was on point, i don't know about asciilifeform, but i was just shouting.
1885064;1546767704;phf;i don't see sharing of parts, or the whole with asciilifeform under whatever terms, etc. irrespective of what will be done as resolving anything: i made original promises in good faith, and i'll be breaking them. my ideas of how to work around that were idiotic and in retrospect that was an obvious mistake, which ftr asciilifeform avoided by refusing any kind of dealings. on the other hand the point
1885065;1546767704;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881941 was previously lost on me, so my committment outlay is a given, with the inevitable conclusion of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881910 i figured that out before the tmsr conversation, so the whole thing was just a public reveal of my idiocy, salt on the wound if you will
1885066;1546767704;a111;Logged on 2018-12-19 19:37 mircea_popescu: the very substance of http://trilema.com/2015/heres-what-they-dont-tell-you-when-they-bring-you-those-papers-to-sign/ is ~specifically~ DO NOT MAKE saeculum promises, it will bar you from republican life.
1885067;1546767704;a111;Logged on 2018-12-19 19:24 mircea_popescu: i am however NOT dealing with people who have your sort of committment outlay.
1885068;1546767750;phf;i agree that the secrecy approach doesn't work, i wasn't the driver behind it, i was skeptical about it, but i wanted to see it play out, and it failed spectacularly. i did the relevant manual labor and promised not to share what i got out of it. and yes if i thought about it, the blood oath puts me in the position of the very same whisperers, where whatever i have i can't make use of. my vague comments about old men and gold chests are
1885069;1546767750;phf;the result of reflecting on the idiocy of the whole secrecy approach: i basically got suckered by promises of future great reveals, did free work while also locking myself into the selfsame structure.
1885070;1546767870;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-05#1884837 << remote work, but you also have to remember that i moved away much later in life than you did, i have a very large meat wot here
1885071;1546767870;a111;Logged on 2019-01-05 16:44 asciilifeform: i admit that i'm at least a little curious how phf finally managed escape velocity from the bigzone, but if he doesn't feel like spilling re subj, also won't cry.
1885072;1546768042;phf;asciilifeform: also snarfed
1885073;1546768342;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-05#1884636 << if i put that at the top of the free time work list i can get it out fairly fast, but i think keccak regrind that diana_coman is blocked by comes before that anyway
1885074;1546768342;a111;Logged on 2019-01-05 15:10 asciilifeform: err, bin ~delete~ knob
1885075;1546787894;mircea_popescu;phf i'm not going to pass in silence over the obvious "check it out, there's no women in phf's fambly, he's taking care of the last one by own hand" comment ~because~ i like you.
1885076;1546787894;mircea_popescu;yes, obviously your apparent "escape to russia" was just deeper capture ; yes obviously your attempt at corrupting teh fiat backfired. things will continue to work this way for you for as long as you continue acting like a woman, because biology works a certain way and everything else is driven by that and that's what it is.
1885077;1546787894;mircea_popescu;nor am i going to congratulate mocky on his downstream spawncount ; and also because i like him. spawning is a biological function of women, as remarkable as taking a meal, and the day ima start congratulating people for drawing breath is the day i have no further need of myself.
1885078;1546787896;mircea_popescu;the reason i wrote http://trilema.com/2018/patriarchy-vs-matriarchy-the-straight-dope/ wasn't that i was bored that day ; or that i don't like people. for as long as you continue thinking your value is established by some woman, you will continue having the same ~type~ of problems. they can be colored any way you like, and lives can readily be spent in that coloring exercise ; but as far as substance is concerned they will be
1885079;1546787901;mircea_popescu; what they will be and precisely naught else.
1885080;1546787903;mircea_popescu;the sad part, and a problem very much in the vein of the http://trilema.com/2014/la-florida-and-other-places/#selection-111.0-121.824 duality, is that men ~ARBITRARILY~ deciding to live in a matriarchy doesn't merely fuck over them ; it fucks over everyone, now the females of your generation are stuck living in the same shit whether they want to or not ; because unlike your case, there's exactly jack shit ~they~ can do about
1885081;1546787908;mircea_popescu;it. hence all the lashing out.
1885082;1546787912;mircea_popescu;as a factual matter, there's nothing you can say to keloid. it's made out of cells and cells are deterministic mechanisms. societal scar tissue however is the result of ~deliberate choice~ that is then just as deliberately hidden from the self ; not of some sort of complicated protein signalling.
1885083;1546787916;mircea_popescu;all that said, there's no bad blood here. i have infinite time (in the sense that the republic is eternal, not in the sense that i've been around for seven milennia or thereabouts) and every boy has to take his own fucking journey to his eventual himself. for as long as you can continue speaking the truth you're perfectly welcome here, as everyone ever is ; the magic of the workings of the log permit us a luxury no men knew b
1885084;1546787921;mircea_popescu;efore -- that is, zero-cost shouting ; (the bounty of that experience also readily provides us with a luxury no woman knew before -- that is, zero-cost defloration, the experience of the "significant" cost of expression as perceived afore the fact dissolving into nothingness with the consummation, "what a big deal writing this blogpost was going to be that it didn't turn out to be after all") ; and so following.
1885085;1546787926;mircea_popescu;eat, pray, love, or how did that go.
1885086;1546788704;asciilifeform;ha, mircea_popescu woke up 1st!
1885087;1546788709;asciilifeform;guten morgen mircea_popescu
1885088;1546788738;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: perhaps he'll at least inherit the flat...
1885089;1546788794;mircea_popescu;that was the most odessa jew thing you ever yet said.
1885090;1546788814;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-06#1885072 << danke schon, phf. and i aint gonna kick you when yer down, we can always come back to the thread laters.
1885091;1546788814;a111;Logged on 2019-01-06 09:47 phf: asciilifeform: also snarfed
1885092;1546789000;asciilifeform;hey phf, does the left switch on your cst billiard ball seem muffled vs the right ? i can't decide if mine's defective or not, just noticed last night..
1885093;1546789235;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-06#1885069 << i'll take off hat ; realizing this mistake is perhaps 1st step from alchemist to chemist
1885094;1546789235;a111;Logged on 2019-01-06 09:42 phf: the result of reflecting on the idiocy of the whole secrecy approach: i basically got suckered by promises of future great reveals, did free work while also locking myself into the selfsame structure.
1885095;1546789300;asciilifeform;( and it's a correctable mistake, but again we can come back to this laters. )
1885096;1546789465;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i woke up at night with the following wtf : you can actually make ~any~ gcdtron converge in same steps as stein's, cuz any time the buffer is even, you can shift it right (unshared factor of 2); and then when you add (or subtract) these odds, you get another even ( and can do it again ) etc.
1885097;1546789512;asciilifeform;so theoretically can have a steinized daykin ( it remains to be sweated out whether this is moar economical than stein, i'ma get to it today )
1885098;1546789637;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-06#1885042 << this'll be handy when i get to asmized variant of inner muls in ffa. looking forward to reading ave1's piece.
1885099;1546789637;a111;Logged on 2019-01-06 05:26 ave1: well arm part works, but I wanted to do some more experimenting with how the call the asm, as register allocation cannot be specified in GNAT
1885100;1546789913;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-06#1885070 << neato. ( asciilifeform also remotes, but asciilifeform's meatwot is economically ~useless naodays, and so asciilifeform lives under eternal damocle's sword of ending up like mocky . )
1885101;1546789913;a111;Logged on 2019-01-06 09:44 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-05#1884837 << remote work, but you also have to remember that i moved away much later in life than you did, i have a very large meat wot here
1885102;1546790031;asciilifeform;( e.g. in 2016, i spent >6mo rowing on a loathesomely usgistic slave galley, while in search of new remote )
1885103;1546790040;asciilifeform;and was dead in the water, from tmsr pov, the whole time
1885104;1546790185;asciilifeform;( http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-30#1876254 , aka 'butugychag' )
1885105;1546790185;a111;Logged on 2018-11-30 03:07 asciilifeform: zx2c4: you may find it interesting to learn that i once worked in a dour 'salt mine' where shat out 'correctness proof' all day. in 'sage.'
1885106;1546790318;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-06#1885053 << recall the infamous rat temples of india..
1885107;1546790318;a111;Logged on 2019-01-06 05:29 mircea_popescu: Mocky a lot of the femstate's "solutions" to problems consist of this sorta acceptance bs. about as unsuprising as biology can ever get.
1885108;1546790349;asciilifeform;https://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~akerr/socrates/personal/rats.html << subj.
1885109;1546790790;*;asciilifeform bbl,tea
1885110;1546791840;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-06#1885065 << if anyone is curious, in the vein of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-18#1863563 : there's a very strict and very obvious distinction between the ~types~ of promises ; typified by the "forever &ever" coda of imperial bullshit. my slaves serve ~at will~, which is to say until i get tired of one and not a moment longer. there's no security available, offered or contemplated. compare an
1885111;1546791840;a111;Logged on 2019-01-06 09:41 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881941 was previously lost on me, so my committment outlay is a given, with the inevitable conclusion of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881910 i figured that out before the tmsr conversation, so the whole thing was just a public reveal of my idiocy, salt on the wound if you will
1885112;1546791840;a111;Logged on 2018-10-18 17:42 Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-18#1863546 >> if this is true then "you're not smart enough be here" is as meaningful as "not telepathic enough"
1885113;1546791840;mircea_popescu;d contrast this with "marriage vows" or whatever bullshit in this vein.
1885114;1546791872;mircea_popescu;saeculum promises include the unpromiseable so regularily as to naturally create the suspicion it's deliberate.
1885115;1546791952;mircea_popescu;so the idea of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881910 isn't as much "don't make promises to people outside the walls" ; it's rather "don't make the ~sort of promises~ they make outside the walls ; but if you're too young to know the difference don't make any at all".
1885116;1546791952;a111;Logged on 2018-12-19 19:24 mircea_popescu: i am however NOT dealing with people who have your sort of committment outlay.
1885117;1546792047;mircea_popescu;"being in legal trouble" is generally a decent first order approximation of that youth. (not that the empire isn't abusing imagignarly "legal process" to attempt to wage war and other such bs, but i guarantee you nobody targetted some schmuck selling fireworks in rural bumfuck because of his roger ver-ness.)
1885118;1546792385;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-08#1193607 << this makes for a pretty lulzy re-read, in the context of the meanwhile better fleshed out notions of structure and trees and whatnot. isn't it obvious, asciilifeform , that the ~substantial difference~ is not at all the "head rng" but simply the extension and especially quality of the conceptual trees involved ? the "head v" so to speak ?
1885119;1546792385;a111;Logged on 2015-07-08 19:34 ascii_field: far more interesting is the trait hasn eysenck called 'psychoticism'
1885120;1546792929;BingoBoingo;In other news... amazing how comment spam shifted from viagra to... http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/LvP1y/?raw=true
1885121;1546793709;mircea_popescu;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/4YRQW/?raw=true << meanwhile this is what a myspace pageload looks like these days (they call it "facebook" but it's the same "valuable" nonsense by&for morons turner used to make a small fortune out of a large one)
1885122;1546793733;asciilifeform;lol what is that, 50MB ?
1885123;1546793757;mircea_popescu;just the sheer insanity of the js loading model. who the fuck can't put it all in one file ?
1885124;1546793810;mircea_popescu;what sense could https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/rsrc.php/v3iY9E4/yK/l/en_GB/dDLzd487PGS.js https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/rsrc.php/v3ikjf4/yA/l/en_GB/K0iGBg8ivhO.js https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/rsrc.php/v3iMCU4/ys/l/en_GB/RmcHbNGMVjA.js https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/rsrc.php/v3i61e4/yC/l/en_GB/QZPZBXTN_4g.js https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/rsrc.php/v3iVop4/y5/l/en_GB/p37HdZ_jKzM.js https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/rsrc.php/v3iRN04/y0/l/en_GB/u
1885125;1546793810;mircea_popescu;GPoR8851vS.js https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/rsrc.php/v3/yd/r/oy09kyys2-h.js POSSIBLY fucking make ?
1885126;1546793849;asciilifeform;y'know, not only it never made much sense when written, but they put it through mungers also
1885127;1546793865;asciilifeform;can't exactly put rowhammer.js where errybody'll ~see~ it, lol
1885128;1546793866;mircea_popescu;"dDLzd487PGS.js" is 718514 bytes ; "uGPoR8851vS.js" is 730348 bytes. this is just a SECTION
1885129;1546793907;mircea_popescu;there's never been, since the origin of the world, cause or use for a full 100kb of js. what fucking 730k, there's not that much to say in that scriptlang.
1885130;1546793938;asciilifeform;for comparison, ada sores of ch14 ffa, incl. comments, weighs ~300kB
1885131;1546793954;mircea_popescu;much like "all that needs to be, or can be expressed in redskin tongue takes <1 page, which is why they don't need writing, can remember a page"
1885132;1546793987;BingoBoingo;lol, I actually had occasion to hear Incan language last week.
1885133;1546794009;mircea_popescu;any good jokes ?
1885134;1546794050;BingoBoingo;Hard to tell. ~half the conversation was in spanish. Girl's dad made a phone call because he went into the city as he does from time to time.
1885135;1546794091;BingoBoingo;Apparently there's no phones up in Llama herding country
1885136;1546794130;mircea_popescu;maybe they eat the towers.
1885137;1546794144;asciilifeform;mountains 'eat' towers.
1885138;1546794144;mircea_popescu;god knows goats eat shirts. maybe llamas eat sheet metal
1885139;1546794158;asciilifeform;sorta why darkest africa has gsm , but not inca
1885140;1546794180;BingoBoingo;Possible, Goats are know to eat sheet metal and Llamas are big goats in hairy armor
1885141;1546794253;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-06#1885123 << it's deliberate. they fiddle'em regularly, and section'em so the unfiddled bits stay cached
1885142;1546794253;a111;Logged on 2019-01-06 16:55 mircea_popescu: just the sheer insanity of the js loading model. who the fuck can't put it all in one file ?
1885143;1546794330;mircea_popescu;i would be utterly surprised if this worked at all.
1885144;1546794369;mircea_popescu;i expect what really is going on is that they have half dozen copies of the "same" lib, diff versions, w/e, and they load them all i nthe hopes one works.
1885145;1546794370;asciilifeform;i dunno how one'd even begin to answer the q of 'whether it works'. what even means 'works' when referring to the anthill.
1885146;1546794397;mircea_popescu;cuz whenever they hire a new "engineer" he just dumps more code in the pub and that's it, "he fixed things"
1885147;1546794400;asciilifeform;( does it spawn new anthills ? apparently does. do the ants survive winter ? sadly also apparently yes )
1885148;1546794451;asciilifeform;and yes they keep 9000 copies of 'same' lib.
1885149;1546794454;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> cuz whenever they hire a new "engineer" he just dumps more code in the pub and that's it, "he fixed things" << AHA Heathen WP Pluginisms
1885150;1546794484;asciilifeform;'foolib #3133 worx with barlib #4331 last we knew' and so on
1885151;1546794578;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile in femventures: https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/esta-escuela-de-rugby-y-merendero-fue-robada-34-veces-en-seis-meses-201915193311
1885152;1546794641;BingoBoingo;Yes, in Angloland "escuela de Rugby" might imply something vagualy masculine, but here... It's old women trying to save little boys from futbol
1885153;1546794765;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-06#1885068 << for my curiosity, was that labour anything like nicoleci 's ph trans[actions] trans[cribing] ?
1885154;1546794765;a111;Logged on 2019-01-06 09:42 phf: i agree that the secrecy approach doesn't work, i wasn't the driver behind it, i was skeptical about it, but i wanted to see it play out, and it failed spectacularly. i did the relevant manual labor and promised not to share what i got out of it. and yes if i thought about it, the blood oath puts me in the position of the very same whisperers, where whatever i have i can't make use of. my vague comments about old men and gold chests are
1885155;1546794798;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc he described it: agreed to go to indiana jones warehouse and manually photograph manuscripts
1885156;1546794816;mircea_popescu;a a right.
1885157;1546794846;diana_coman;does anybody know whether/how can I use Ada task types from C/CPP code? afaik from GNAT docs there isn't a way to export task types as such
1885158;1546794891;asciilifeform;diana_coman: what wouldja even ~do~ with ada task type from cpp ?
1885159;1546794905;asciilifeform;you can't signal it, or do anyffin else useful to it, there
1885160;1546795003;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: phf is 9000x moar genius spy than asciilifeform , evidently -- i tried 9000 ways to sweet-talk dks into 'lemme into that warehouse', summed to 0
1885161;1546795031;asciilifeform;for that matter, i never even was able to learn where it was ( to any moar precision than 'hbomb radius' )
1885162;1546795062;diana_coman;asciilifeform, the concrete mess is this: smg_comms is in Ada, has sender and receiver task types so one can create those as needed, perfect; onth eulora client is this ball of CPP mess and it's unclear to me if it can even be made to use smg comms as it is or what
1885163;1546795077;asciilifeform;diana_coman: can , but i suspect you'll need glue
1885164;1546795092;asciilifeform;( i.e. ada knobs that are ordinary procedures and can be fired from the cpp )
1885165;1546795104;asciilifeform;or, vice-versa, import and fire the necessary cpp knobs from the ada.
1885166;1546795111;diana_coman;in the vein of "fork in cpp and from that thread call Ada proc that then spawns tasks"?
1885167;1546795118;asciilifeform;iirc diana_coman already is quite well-versed in the subj from baking eucrypt
1885168;1546795146;asciilifeform;why wouldja need to fork in cpp if you have ada tasks ? make the cpp coad reentrant and call it from the tasks
1885169;1546795260;diana_coman;mainly because the whole thing is anyway only one thread of the mess as it were; but yes, reentrant should work too
1885170;1546795267;asciilifeform;diana_coman: admittedly i dun know enuff about your proggy to say whether it is possible to make ada piece 'prime mover'
1885171;1546795299;diana_coman;ugh, I was rather hoping I was just thick and not getting it
1885172;1546795500;asciilifeform;diana_coman: if you 'de-thread' the cpp item, you can call its knobs from ada task. is what i meant 'reentrant'.
1885173;1546795524;asciilifeform;then you dun need to try an' pry open the internal structure of ada task to somehow fiddle it from inside cpp.
1885174;1546795573;asciilifeform;it's what i'ma do to trb after i solve the mmap thing.
1885175;1546795626;diana_coman;myeah, all sorts of practical restrictions to consider here; I just wanted to make sure I'm not overlooking some available option before weighing them
1885176;1546795640;diana_coman;sadly it seems I'm not
1885177;1546795700;asciilifeform;the 1st step to adaizing a cpp turd is to remove the cpp threadisms, they will not only not work with ada's sane tasking but actually destroy the guarantees of the latter
1885178;1546795850;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-06#1885097 << you can't simply shift the buffer just because IT is even
1885179;1546795850;a111;Logged on 2019-01-06 15:45 asciilifeform: so theoretically can have a steinized daykin ( it remains to be sweated out whether this is moar economical than stein, i'ma get to it today )
1885180;1546795851;asciilifeform;hm i think i missed a thread..? diana_coman mircea_popescu ain't Mocky the client dev ? why is diana_coman stuck baking client also..?
1885181;1546795883;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform mocky did some (very good btw) work on the foxybot ; then went to qatar ; now looking for job.
1885182;1546795914;asciilifeform;hm i distinctly recalled a thread where he agreed to work as eulorist -- or was that a temporary thing
1885183;1546795931;mircea_popescu;iirc was coupla months.
1885184;1546795936;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you can shift; so long as you increment counter when you've shifted ~both~ a and b buffers , cuz that's an actual shared power of 2 factor. ( it's what happens in stein )
1885185;1546795955;mircea_popescu;hm.
1885186;1546795956;asciilifeform;if only 1 of a,b is shiftable (i.e. even) that's an unshared factor of 2, and preserves gcd if removed.
1885187;1546795965;asciilifeform;sorta why stein works at all.
1885188;1546796222;asciilifeform;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/lzGMl/?raw=true << for thread-compleeetness, traditional form of stein's algo.
1885189;1546797295;BingoBoingo;More local weird https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/se-hacia-llamar-rockefeller-y-estafaba-a-unicef-uruguay-201916102020
1885190;1546797336;BingoBoingo;;tldr Teen scams unicife out of 1000 USD, national news
1885191;1546801080;feedbot;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2943 << Loper OS -- A Solid-State HDD for Symbolics MacIvory Lisp Machines.
1885192;1546806385;asciilifeform;^ phf, amberglint, possibly other 'junkyard wars' folx ^
1885193;1546808224;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/01/usg-sanctions-drama-gets-embarassing-as-foreign-officials-barred-missile-offers-rejected-by-allies/ << Qntra -- USG Sanctions Drama Gets Embarassing As Foreign Officials Barred, Missile Offers Rejected By Allies
1885194;1546814334;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo has lead << led
1885195;1546814351;BingoBoingo;ty, fxd
1885196;1546814520;BingoBoingo;Turkey just keeps delivering
1885197;1546815285;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 'nasa' is a bag of lulz, even by usg standards -- entirely a 'whitewash' project for ye olde 'black budget', historically ( when e.g. 'shuttle' worked at all, was used largely to enorbit $maxint-yet-disposable spy cameras )
1885198;1546815388;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Well, thing was born as pseudo-civilian cover for missile technology development
1885199;1546815405;asciilifeform;orig. yes
1885200;1546815430;asciilifeform;copied in turn from hruschev's lulzidea
1885201;1546815453;asciilifeform;( usg seems to have copied just about erry hruschevism, down to the corn thing )
1885202;1546815494;asciilifeform;( d00d was a mega-believer in the plant and 'let's use it for errything' )
1885203;1546815588;BingoBoingo;Well as far as agriculturally sourced chemical inputs go... Corn offers big yields in exchange for big nitrogen...
1885204;1546815605;BingoBoingo;It's a weedy annual grass
1885205;1546815634;asciilifeform;not so big yield when you factor in the petrol (not only for tractor, but for pesticide, herbicide, etc.) mircea_popescu has a mega-piece re subj.
1885206;1546815673;asciilifeform;it has 'level 9000' incaization potential tho. hence the interest in the 2 major inca camps.
1885207;1546815701;BingoBoingo;Well, that's the story of all state projects. The "factor in" part.
1885208;1546815729;BingoBoingo;It
1885209;1546815732;asciilifeform;point, from lizard pov, is not so much to '+ev project', but to put new nails in the coffin of the independent farmer.
1885210;1546815759;BingoBoingo;'s easy to hide the inputs behind big ears
1885211;1546815770;asciilifeform;( monsantoization was specifically a refinement of ~that~ )
1885212;1546815794;asciilifeform;centralized seed distribution from inca palace, wet dream of 5000 yrs of inca.
1885213;1546815806;BingoBoingo;Independent farmers get screwed on every crop. It's a matter of degrees.
1885214;1546815842;asciilifeform;last 'independent farmer' in the reich lands, i suspect, died during reign of carter. if not earlier.
1885215;1546815875;asciilifeform;( i.e. ~actually~ independent, dun need city man for anyffin, not petrol, not toilet paper, nuffin )
1885216;1546815918;BingoBoingo;Ah yes, even the Amish go to Walmart in the US
1885217;1546815982;asciilifeform;aaand they take 'paypal' at the market. via ipnoje.
1885218;1546815990;asciilifeform;i shit thee not.
1885219;1546815998;BingoBoingo;Plenty of times in old country I'd see the Amish buggies going up IL-13 to the Murphysboro Walmart in order to commune with Inca
1885220;1546816088;asciilifeform;for all i know , somewhere in the reich there's still an old amish d00d remaining, plowing field with horse, eschewing ipnoje, etc. or maybe usg already found him and put into психушка and took land for unpaid tribute.
1885221;1546816362;BingoBoingo;Well, one thing the oppresive VAT here does is keep something of a cash economy alive
1885222;1546816473;asciilifeform;well orcistans typically can't afford to do what usg does ( i.e. print green with which, among other things, to pay chumps to use cards, in the form of 'reward point' )
1885223;1546816609;asciilifeform;likbez for outside-reich folx : in reich, when folx pay with e.g. 'visa', vendors lose ~5% (they pay for privilege of eating it) and konsoomer wins ~5% ('reward point', exact qty varies by flavour-of-the-day)
1885224;1546816615;BingoBoingo;They try that here. Many of the big chain sucker traps here will offer incredible discounts for using the right card to the point it is anti advertising the pricing of their wares.
1885225;1546816621;asciilifeform;chains yes
1885226;1546816639;asciilifeform;i was speaking of general-purpose 'bank gives you 5% of the spent money back'
1885227;1546816722;asciilifeform;it varies by vendor, and whether yer an idjit (idjits pay interest, cuz they actually use the card as a credit line)
1885228;1546816730;BingoBoingo;They try that here too. Pay with card get X% back as VAT rebate.
1885229;1546816746;asciilifeform;but when, e.g. asciilifeform bought bolix, ~200 orcbux of its cost came back.
1885230;1546816830;BingoBoingo;Then again here they also have this privatized food stand deal where employers can issue a part of employee pay as "alimentation tickets"
1885231;1546816850;asciilifeform;lol! 'i owe my soul to the company store'(tm)(r)
1885232;1546816861;asciilifeform;they do that here with train tickets.
1885233;1546816905;BingoBoingo;Indeed. Which network the employer picks determines employee dietary decisions.
1885234;1546816958;asciilifeform;at one point i noticed that at the food market , good chunk of the crowd wasn't paying with money, or even card, but with wooden monopoly money thing . mostly mex-looking chix, with children. turns out, it's what 'welfare' comes in naodays
1885235;1546816993;asciilifeform;the tomato-sellers take it to usg booth and trade it for ordinary moneys, minus tax.
1885236;1546817577;jurov; /znc clearallchannelbuffers
1885237;1546817587;asciilifeform;lol
1885238;1546817593;jurov;oops :)
1885239;1546821732;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/minigame-smg-december-2018-statement/ << Trilema -- MiniGame (S.MG), December 2018 Statement
1885240;1546822782;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, check out the smoldering wikirage : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cigarette
1885241;1546822956;mats;asciilifeform: any idea what thats called? i thought 'food stamps' (EBT) are a debit card
1885242;1546822957;lobbesbot;mats: Sent 1 week, 4 days, 4 hours, and 42 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> MP-WP hardening and enhancemenst, please acknowledge receipt http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/r1dkc/?raw=true
1885243;1546822963;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what part of it is interesting ?
1885244;1546822983;asciilifeform;massive snoar , loox like, entirely like other wikisms
1885245;1546823001;mircea_popescu;let's take the first para.
1885246;1546823002;mircea_popescu;"A cigarette is a narrow cylinder containing psychoactive material, usually tobacco, that is rolled into thin paper for smoking. Most cigarettes contain a "reconstituted tobacco" product known as "sheet", which consists of "recycled [tobacco] stems, stalks, scraps, collected dust, and floor sweepings", to which are added glue, chemicals and fillers; the product is then sprayed with nicotine that was extracted from the tobacco
1885247;1546823002;mircea_popescu; scraps, and shaped into curls.[1] The cigarette is ignited at one end, causing it to smolder and allowing smoke to be inhaled from the other end, which is held in or to the mouth. Most modern cigarettes are filtered, although this does not make them safer. Cigarette manufacturers have described cigarettes as a drug administration system for the delivery of nicotine in acceptable and attractive form.[2][3][4][5] Cigarettes ar
1885248;1546823004;mircea_popescu;e addictive (because of nicotine) and cause cancer, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, heart disease, and other health problems. "
1885249;1546823006;asciilifeform;mats: 'wic'
1885250;1546823025;mircea_popescu;~none~ of the points are factual. moreover, imagine an "encyclopedic" article on, say, obama, in the same terms.
1885251;1546823048;mircea_popescu;or "no child left behind", or "black women employed in federal bureaucratic positions"
1885252;1546823050;mircea_popescu;or what have you
1885253;1546823068;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's afaik ~exact description of ameri-cig. and for that matter, ameri-chicken, an' similar product
1885254;1546823090;asciilifeform;floor sweepings.
1885255;1546823091;mircea_popescu;eh, "exact description" in a very selective sense.
1885256;1546823123;asciilifeform;picture how vegetarian might describe a sausage maker's shop. esp ameri-sausage.
1885257;1546823128;mircea_popescu;for one thing, nicotine is not addictive. for the other thing, EVERYTHING in the us is glue paint and floor sweepings, from usda a+ beef to coca cola.
1885258;1546823140;mircea_popescu;you don't see THAT mentioned in those articles, do you ?
1885259;1546823167;mircea_popescu;you don't see "african americans are the scum of the human race, accidentally transported against their own capacity to our lands" in the respective article, do you ?
1885260;1546823183;asciilifeform;they also dun mention 'sky is blue' and 'water is wet'..
1885261;1546823191;mircea_popescu;whole item is entirely free of any objective content, consists entirely on subjective positioning./
1885262;1546823216;mats;asciilifeform: ah, i see, SNAP uses EBT cards, WIC does not
1885263;1546823226;mircea_popescu;anyway, the point is precisely the ridoinculous pretense of wikitards that their particularly weird and slanty libel sheet is exactly not-that.
1885264;1546823249;asciilifeform;it reads exactly like ~erry other wikipg.
1885265;1546823327;mircea_popescu;well no, the page on http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-04#1733001 doesn't say "sue gardern is a sad sack of neoplasms". though this is factually true, all humans contain some neoplastic tissue.
1885266;1546823327;a111;Logged on 2017-11-04 16:40 mircea_popescu: in entirely unrelated lulz : the "womenz in tech" dynastry of aparatchicks over at wikipedia is pretty lulzi : sue gardner's lengthy tenure ended (she was recycled to nsa honeypot "tor project") to be replaced by lila tretikov, two bit russki scammer gal who got sent off (over the whole "knowledge engine" failed wikimedia http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-26#1729324 attempt) to be replaced by katherine maher.
1885267;1546823378;*;hanbot most recently ran into this particular flavor of wikiwank when looking for specific incident lead on ms-13 the other day, was bombarded by "trump falsely claims!!!"
1885268;1546823532;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-05#1810279 << aphra bern is not "inconsequntial pickpocket" and so on.
1885269;1546823532;a111;Logged on 2018-05-05 18:05 mircea_popescu: aand in other items of entomological interest, the wikipedia take on politicized pseudo-literary criticism is something else. aphra behn is lionized, because they're ever-so-desperate to discover, invent or if need be entirely hallucinate "remarkable" cuntbearers of the shakespeare period that some random jailbird is A HEROINE OF FEMINISM!!!
1885270;1546823565;mircea_popescu;hanbot im sure it got a whole "orange man" spray paint, to cover over the cracking in the previous "ows" paintjob.
1885271;1546823593;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: re tobaccism and its discontents -- i find lulzy that 'secondhand smoke' hysteria expanded to include those electrical things that emit theatric-'smoke', somehow with straight face, even tho less poisonous than typical chix perfume, or vodka breath etc
1885272;1546823625;asciilifeform;( cuz it was never about poisons, noshit )
1885273;1546823634;mircea_popescu;hey, witchcraft.
1885274;1546823657;mircea_popescu;anyway, to my eyes that item reads like perfect self-parody.
1885275;1546825689;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-06#1885215 << I know of a biz in oregon, grows all manner of crops, independently owned by revelations cult, makes own biofuel, but yes, they might be the only one.
1885276;1546825689;a111;Logged on 2019-01-06 23:04 asciilifeform: ( i.e. ~actually~ independent, dun need city man for anyffin, not petrol, not toilet paper, nuffin )
1885277;1546825770;mircea_popescu;it's techically illegal in the us anyway, "impede interstate commerce".
1885278;1546831227;asciilifeform;indeed, famously
1885279;1546831282;asciilifeform;( the very moment, really, when all remaining pretense of 'this aint a reich, and fdr aint fuhrer' was dropped )
1885280;1546831319;asciilifeform;!#s wickard
1885281;1546831320;a111;10 results for "wickard", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=wickard
1885282;1546831322;asciilifeform;^ see also
1885283;1546831483;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-28#1743774 << e.g.
1885284;1546831483;a111;Logged on 2017-11-28 16:12 asciilifeform: an incidentally interesting bit is that gardens are an 'unprincipled exception' in usgdom just as they were in su. theoretically a garden aficionado owes every 4th tomato or whatever his 'bracket' is, to usg, as tax; things that grow from the ground count, famously, as 'income' -- even if not sold -- per 'wickard v. filburn'
1885285;1546835469;billymg;hanbot: i put together a patch for the svg links mentioned earlier: http://billymg.com/2019/01/mp-wp-vpatch-update-internal-image-references-to-point-to-svg-extensions/
1885286;1546835486;billymg;there is also now a copy of the mp-wp vtree here http://billymg.com/mp-wp-vtree/
1885287;1546835529;billymg;it was mostly a search and replace job but i took care not to blow away intentional .gif or .png references
1885288;1546835950;mircea_popescu;there are such ?!
1885289;1546836172;billymg;well, not used as image references, but other instances of those strings. used in, e.g. matchers in a conditional in some script
1885290;1546836238;billymg;although i believe there was one valid .png reference for avatar.png that links to the avatar.png hosted on a commenter's blog
1885291;1546836330;mircea_popescu;a a a
1885292;1546836333;mircea_popescu;right, right.
1885293;1546836340;mircea_popescu;good point.
1885294;1546836497;billymg;it's been nice working on this, if there are other items people want to see done i can look at those too
1885295;1546836578;billymg;i think there also might be some opportunities to remove code from mp-wp. for example, the included tinymce browser text-editor plugin seems to come with three different themes. i haven't looked too closely but i'm guessing only one of them is actually used
1885296;1546836747;mircea_popescu;i expect you could prolly cut the loc in half, with some sweat.
1885297;1546836827;billymg;if that's a worthwhile goal i wouldn't mind tackling some of that next
1885298;1546837189;mircea_popescu;definitely, cutting down loc is god's own work.
1885299;1546837671;billymg;excellent, that will be my next task then
1885300;1546837792;billymg;time for sleep now
1885301;1546837798;*;billymg goes to bed
1885302;1546837803;mircea_popescu;nn
1885303;1546856483;auctionbot;Buy order # 1032 has ENDED: No sale. Attn: BingoBoingo
1885304;1546874275;mircea_popescu;trinque ^
1885305;1546874538;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in world of spamatronics : https://archive.vn/PR2zr (tldr : htmlism idjicy where 'custom embedded font', apparently explains certain 'line noise'-style spams occasionally seen)
1885306;1546874700;mircea_popescu;all this retarded posturing. "threat actors", and pixelized screenshots and what the fuck. well earned negrate.
1885307;1546874736;mircea_popescu;big fucking whoop, someone made himself a non-alphabetic ordered font.
1885308;1546874753;asciilifeform;explains certain rubbish in my lint trap tho.
1885309;1546874874;mircea_popescu;it's about as novel as windows nt.
1885310;1546874876;mircea_popescu;but ok.
1885311;1546874914;*;asciilifeform not expert spamatronicist, so possibly easily astonished
1885312;1546874988;mircea_popescu;in other news, i fucking loathe that interactivecorp footer. never EVER seen it on a site that didn't suck balls in the exact wikipedia style of cheap cardboard alt-reality.
1885313;1546875105;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in 'mit phuctor'-style lulzattempts at thefts from republic, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/vL8Rj/?raw=true << d00d implements keccak for z80, and naturally claims great 'invention', where , e.g., 'new meaning to retrocomputing-based perfect forward secrecy. In the contemporary concern about tampering and traps in our computing devices...'
1885314;1546875340;asciilifeform;( per the magick formula of http://btcbase.org/log/2014-06-04#700916 )
1885315;1546875340;a111;Logged on 2014-06-04 00:08 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.
1885316;1546875344;mircea_popescu;meanwhile talking of spam : http://archive.vn/oMEya ("Julia Sowells/534 Posts Julia Sowells has been a technology and security professional. For a decade of experience in technology, [...]" -- looks like your run of the mill 20something instawhore, but whatever, i'm sure she has a decade of "experience" in tabletclucking ; "HackerCombat LLC is a news site, which acts as a source of information for IT security professionals ac
1885317;1546875344;mircea_popescu;ross the world. We have lived it for more than 1 year since 2017, sharing IT expert guidance and insight, [...] ")
1885318;1546875391;mircea_popescu;need i continue ? sure, why not : http://archive.vn/0VU5Q "Rewterz information security Company Our Story"
1885319;1546875417;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i suspect perl script takes pressrelease and attached $randomchix face and shannonized 'bio' , in these fishwraps
1885320;1546875437;BingoBoingo; /me pretty sure the whole "webfonts only have malicious purposes" deal has been happening since webfonts were a thing
1885321;1546875440;mircea_popescu;nooo ?
1885322;1546875540;mircea_popescu;"www" stands for "what happens if all the dogs get the idea nobody can tell they're dogs ?!?!?!"
1885323;1546875779;mircea_popescu;pretty lulzy alt-fetlife, really.
1885324;1546875789;mircea_popescu;"Security Boulevard By Julia Sowells securityboulevard.com — A website getting hacked isn’t really news today; it has become an almost common thing. So, what should you do if your website is hacked? How can you work on recovering things and bouncing back? Well, it’s not that difficult. Here’s a look at some easy steps that could help in the recovery process:Step 1 – Inform hosting company, do some research of your o
1885325;1546875790;mircea_popescu;wnThe first thing that you need to do is inform your hosting company or the person who is hosting your website. "
1885326;1546875812;mircea_popescu;"10 Steps to Recover from a Hacked Website By Julia Sowells techspective.net — A website getting hacked isn’t really news today; it has become an almost common thing. So, what should you do if your website is hacked? How can you work on recovering things and bouncing back? Well, it’s not that difficult. Here’s a look at some easy steps that could help in the recovery process:Step 1 – Inform hosting company, do some
1885327;1546875812;mircea_popescu;research of your ownThe first thing that you need to do is inform your hosting company or the person who is hosting your website."
1885328;1546875830;asciilifeform;'99 easy recipes spammers dunwant you to know'!11
1885329;1546875860;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/juliasowells << even twitter acct, with a typically "powerpoint"-informed montage in the background. " Julia Sowells @juliasowells Senior #Information #Security Specialist #Cybersecurity Author @Hacker_Combat | Got Tips? Contact me: juliasowells@hackercombat.com"
1885330;1546875865;mircea_popescu;#WomenInTech i'm sure.
1885331;1546876082;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885323 << ~100% of heathenwww is precisely 'alt-fetlife' by mass
1885332;1546876082;a111;Logged on 2019-01-07 15:42 mircea_popescu: pretty lulzy alt-fetlife, really.
1885333;1546876103;asciilifeform;elizas talkin' to parrys.
1885334;1546876123;mircea_popescu;"DanaBot Banking Trojan’s Journey to North America DanaBot, a nasty banking trojan is wreaking havoc now in the North American continent. First appeared in May 2018 targeting Australian corporations hackercombat.com " << check it out, age of sail.
1885335;1546876134;asciilifeform;actual human reader is quite out of his element there. it's sorta like listening to modem whine.
1885336;1546876149;mircea_popescu;no, because i could eventually whistle meaningfully @ the modem.
1885337;1546876166;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu is perhaps better whistler than i , i can only 300baud on good day..
1885338;1546876168;mircea_popescu;i think anyone who spent any significant time with the damned "bauds" could whistle a reset so as not to stand up
1885339;1546876203;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well not data, what am i.
1885340;1546876207;asciilifeform;lol
1885341;1546876249;mircea_popescu;"If you are one of those enthusiastic and adventurous entrepreneurs who are on the verge of launching your own startup, here’s an important question for you: Have you secured your startup enough so that it can resist the security threats of today? Because if you haven’t, considering the security threats which are raining down on the digital world of today, you may in for a lot of trouble.
1885342;1546876249;mircea_popescu;Therefore in this blog, let’s take a look at some of the cyber security measures every entrepreneur should take, to ensure their startup stays safe from all forms of hacking."
1885343;1546876314;*;asciilifeform actually dug into subj of implementing compact 'soft' acoustic-modems on e.g. ice40, yr or so ago, for fyootoor applications
1885344;1546876315;mircea_popescu;letting the girls into the office was ~such~ a fucking dumb idea... what, precisely, is gained by having a bunch of verbose maids running about attempting to "redefine" the "space" more towards their terms and interests ?
1885345;1546876359;asciilifeform;if mircea_popescu says it's actual meat gurlz doin' this, rather than plain old perl, i'ma believe
1885346;1546876371;asciilifeform;but the 2 hypotheses aint distinguishable from my perch
1885347;1546876379;mircea_popescu;as it stands now, i believe this julia chick is basically douchebag.
1885348;1546876394;mircea_popescu;ie, physically extant novel cuntspawn "just tryna make it in dis biz"
1885349;1546876410;asciilifeform;rright but douchebag passed, at least initially, turing test, and these 'people' generally do not
1885350;1546876438;mircea_popescu;heck, odds are they met "at a conference" where they "being professional" to each other etc (ie, didn't fuck, notwithstanding how dimly regarded teens who don't do it are)
1885351;1546876450;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's because your test is biased against women.
1885352;1546876492;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: possibly; but i'ma not that despite many unfortunate yrs spent in the company of the degenerates populating that 'biz', never once witnessed a perpetrator describable as female
1885353;1546876505;asciilifeform;*i'ma add that
1885354;1546876569;asciilifeform;there were chix, to be sure, but doing the old-nicolecci thing, shuffling paper ~silently
1885355;1546876707;asciilifeform;i also have nfi what the 'space' might have looked like prior to 'getting redefined' -- near as i can tell, whole 'industry', from rise of microshit and up, consisted of exactly this
1885356;1546876776;asciilifeform;and i even witnessed the early-90s 'space', e.g. http://www.loper-os.org/?p=568#selection-57.0-57.368 , as a kid, and even then laughed.
1885357;1546876779;mircea_popescu;i dunno, i've only seen the other side of the wall 80s, and it consisted of research labs, basically. just like any others, hence the prestige.
1885358;1546876852;asciilifeform;research folx had research-grade irons , and ~separate ecosystem. ( pdp, then suns, hp, sgi, alpha, even bolix somewhere close to money printers, etc. but that 'atlantis' sank without a trace )
1885359;1546876885;asciilifeform;it's gone, what's left is descendants of 'computer shopper magazine' and other 80s chump-baits
1885360;1546877045;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/juliasowells/status/907929912945795072 << item starts in 13 Sep 2017 ; spends a while derping about "niche relevant" re-crapped crap ("First Female White House CIO on #Cybersecurity #Talent" bla bla), buncha zdnet, techradar whatever. then it's "Julia Sowells Retweeted Kevin Jones‏ @kevinjones_hc 10 Oct 2017 British @security experts are stopping two MAJOR #hackattacks every day" ("Hello this is Kevin Jo
1885361;1546877045;mircea_popescu;nes, #Malware #cybersecurity Specialist and Author at @Hacker_Combat * Real-Life News Reader" << https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/958699043579871232/ntdF9E5X.jpg perfectly punchable amir taaki face) and so well... it's either his irl gf or his online fursona, whichever.
1885362;1546877045;asciilifeform;current-day lusercomp has approx as much to do with '80s research lab, as http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877160 has with mircea_popescu's bmw
1885363;1546877045;a111;Logged on 2018-12-01 02:17 asciilifeform: amberglint: it's a http://funnypicture.zoda.ru/bd/2011/10/14/8e55f8a1cd38eb6ed761e4897058d1b7.jpg
1885364;1546877077;mircea_popescu;just because you didn't see douchebag's julia... o wait. i think you might've...
1885365;1546877079;*;asciilifeform brb,teatime
1885366;1546877140;mircea_popescu;awww, you're opting out of the wonderful world of  IT expert guidance and insight ?!
1885367;1546877149;mircea_popescu;i really thought we had something going here...
1885368;1546877624;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> rright but douchebag passed, at least initially, turing test, and these 'people' generally do not << Lacking tits douchbag has to try to brand and personality. Having tits in the Femoocracy, girl just has to scrape and paste.
1885369;1546877949;mircea_popescu;there, intel kicks in : julia sowells, lives with mom @3036 Powell Rd, Blossvale, NY 13308, a single family home worth about 100k market / 60k on tax basis. 2 bedrooms, 1 bath, 1ksqft.
1885370;1546878134;mircea_popescu;anyway, this lulztron just won't quit. "Kriti Sarda, Recently moved to the United States Answered Jan 6, 2016 I work at Appknox and we are thought leaders in the mobile app security domain. I can unanimously agree with everyone here that cyber attacks WILL rise in 2016. Apart from that here are our predictions for the upcoming year - " (meanwhile this quora expert moved back to dfjkhgfkjhgkdjhkfj injia"
1885371;1546879475;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/01/britain-to-ban-transactions-involving-puppies-and-kittens-through-most-channels/ << Qntra -- Britain To Ban Transactions Involving Puppies And Kittens Through Most Channels
1885372;1546879489;BingoBoingo;^ From the place that brought the world "monkey baiting"
1885373;1546879547;mircea_popescu;this bizarro notion opf "banning". rly ?
1885374;1546879578;BingoBoingo;Well if they can "council house" Syrian refugees from Ghana...
1885375;1546879610;diana_coman;that "unanimously agree" is cherry on top
1885376;1546879971;BingoBoingo;<diana_coman> that "unanimously agree" is cherry on top << Consult the traditional culture of Indo-Argentina http://trilema.com/2015/why-should-the-argentine-population-go-graze-already/#selection-31.0-45.71
1885377;1546880242;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: lol; what didja ~think~ brit parliament did on typical weekday, when not busy fellating overseas hitler . naturally 'making rules' re the procedure for selling dogs , etc, 'regulating' what time of day 'subjects of her majesty' may take a shit, and similar
1885378;1546880314;asciilifeform;'if the great inca wants you to have dog, he will issue you one' or how did it go.
1885379;1546880381;BingoBoingo;Still the decay Pantsuitism has wrought in 20 centuries must be documented
1885380;1546880458;BingoBoingo;Before too long dogs will prolly be "banned" in the UK because offensive to muslims
1885381;1546880477;mircea_popescu;diana_coman he can unanimously agree all by his lonesome! because prajeet, they be legion.
1885382;1546880503;asciilifeform;before long, http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-06#1885108 will be the only permitted domestic animal in reich.
1885383;1546880503;a111;Logged on 2019-01-06 15:59 asciilifeform: https://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~akerr/socrates/personal/rats.html << subj.
1885384;1546880567;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, quite; I read it as "tripping over oneself in desperation to signalsignalsignal agreement^n"
1885385;1546880590;mircea_popescu;well, and "success" and employment and emigration and a whole hosta things.
1885386;1546880599;mircea_popescu;still not getting any, but heck, WELL ON THE WAY TO
1885387;1546880615;asciilifeform;'luxor centre for bizniss'(tm)(r)
1885388;1546880938;mircea_popescu;but yes, the perpetual and universal hostis generis is precisely this "wanna everything be good and why can't everyone just be friends" schmuck.
1885389;1546882095;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885361 << there's by nao a lengthy gallery of these 'asking for brick'(tm) faces in the l0gz. i admit to curiosity re how come these folx so reliably have'em.
1885390;1546882095;a111;Logged on 2019-01-07 16:04 mircea_popescu: nes, #Malware #cybersecurity Specialist and Author at @Hacker_Combat * Real-Life News Reader" << https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/958699043579871232/ntdF9E5X.jpg perfectly punchable amir taaki face) and so well... it's either his irl gf or his online fursona, whichever.
1885391;1546882124;mircea_popescu;combination of diet and schooling.
1885392;1546882524;BingoBoingo;Diet, schooling, and post Walt Disney.
1885393;1546882556;mircea_popescu;i suspect we also select for them
1885394;1546882802;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: dunno re 'select'. recall the shithub experiment ? good % of the pages had 'brickface' on'em iirc
1885395;1546882948;mircea_popescu;truly.
1885396;1546884143;BingoBoingo;!Xview 1035
1885397;1546884144;auctionbot;Buy order #  1035: 1500 Filthy Fiats, Wired, WU, or Moneygram Opening: 400mn ecu Leading Bid: None Ending: 2019-01-09 06:04:18.169529 UTC (47 hours 59 mins)
1885398;1546885478;asciilifeform;meanwhile, also in zoology, but somewhat diff faces, witness http://www.fishcamp.com/photo_gallery.html
1885399;1546885491;asciilifeform;( wonder, are they even alive nao? date '2009'... )
1885400;1546885693;BingoBoingo;Everything about that building's exterior except the entrance could be here in orcistan.
1885401;1546885723;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it's standard 'it dun snow here' wooden shack, as i see it
1885402;1546885822;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Well, there's the narrow windows and indications the exterior walls extend above the roof creating a slow fence for the azeotea.
1885403;1546886440;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/01/ruth-bader-ginsburg-absent-from-oral-arguments/ << Qntra -- Ruth Bader Ginsburg Absent From Oral Arguments
1885404;1546886794;mircea_popescu;hex angels ahahaha
1885405;1546887145;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: afaik, to the extent anyffin resembling engineering still happens in current usa -- it happens in places like that. four greybeards in a barn.
1885406;1546887224;asciilifeform;(i.e. no 'hr', no 'powerpoint', no 'quarterly reports', etc, just four d00dz, four 'harleys', and a coupla oscilloscopes.. )
1885407;1546887246;asciilifeform;i admit it's how i picture the joint where ben_vulpes and trinque live
1885408;1546887299;mircea_popescu;and this afaik is based on your experience here and what else lol.
1885409;1546887315;asciilifeform;experience in a coupla, where else
1885410;1546887321;asciilifeform;not by any means authoritative.
1885411;1546887322;mircea_popescu;because the item you describe is ~not even legal~
1885412;1546887329;mircea_popescu;in the sense of meth kitchen not legal.
1885413;1546887348;asciilifeform;it's forbidden in the sense gardening ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-28#1743774 ) is.
1885414;1546887348;a111;Logged on 2017-11-28 16:12 asciilifeform: an incidentally interesting bit is that gardens are an 'unprincipled exception' in usgdom just as they were in su. theoretically a garden aficionado owes every 4th tomato or whatever his 'bracket' is, to usg, as tax; things that grow from the ground count, famously, as 'income' -- even if not sold -- per 'wickard v. filburn'
1885415;1546887368;mircea_popescu;not at all.
1885416;1546887376;mircea_popescu;it is literally forbidden in the sense cooking meth is.
1885417;1546887419;asciilifeform;well forbidden is forbidden, neh. yet there they are, subcontracting for 'lockheed' etc, for decades ( and on occasion when inca deems it's time, 'have problems', joe stack-style, but not otherwise )
1885418;1546887432;mircea_popescu;there where ?
1885419;1546887449;mircea_popescu;office park, WITH hr & all.
1885420;1546887456;asciilifeform;in just about erry industrial district in erry ameri-town
1885421;1546887467;asciilifeform;garrett with 2-3 d00ds, no 'hr'.
1885422;1546887486;asciilifeform;they're 'unprincipled exception', in same was as in old su 'cooperatives'
1885423;1546887499;mircea_popescu;and entirely imaginary, much like anti-soviet resistence.
1885424;1546887510;asciilifeform;even 'discrimination law' applies limitedly, to'em. i suggest to rftm, it's a thing.
1885425;1546887511;mircea_popescu;stuff "we could be doing" so "it's just as good as if we did it" etc.
1885426;1546887523;mircea_popescu;just name one.
1885427;1546887530;asciilifeform;linked earlier , neh
1885428;1546887539;mircea_popescu;item expired two decades ago ?!
1885429;1546887544;mircea_popescu;this is not at all what we're discussing.
1885430;1546887571;mircea_popescu;when i discuss some random cuntlet and you propose she's inexistent, i get you concretes. when you discuss some imaginary item, you don't extend the same courtesy.
1885431;1546887574;asciilifeform;or, say, the ones where asciilifeform toiled ( also defunkt today. but not killed 'because no hr' by usg, went old-fashioned broke )
1885432;1546887607;mircea_popescu;i guarantee you you signed "code of conduct" and promised not to "sexually harass" coworkers and filed in your tax forms and whatnot. ALL of the whatnot.
1885433;1546887611;asciilifeform;nope.
1885434;1546887626;asciilifeform;these appear when you have ~80+ (i fughet exact #, varies by state) warm bodies.
1885435;1546887649;mircea_popescu;pretense to the contrary howsoever instantiated notwithstanding.
1885436;1546887654;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform or income.
1885437;1546887676;mircea_popescu;so yes, i guess "went bankrupt, totally existed, i promise -- never made money never had employees" etc works in the sense of exception.
1885438;1546887778;mircea_popescu;there's a reason neither methlabs nor sane workplaces ~advertise~. "come work here, we don't do the whole usg bs".
1885439;1546887826;mircea_popescu;to cursory examination it'd be the cheapest/sweetest fruit for them, ~nothing else a prospective employer could say scores nearly as highly with prospective employees ~worth employing~.
1885440;1546887843;mircea_popescu;yet mocky is buried under the polar opposite of that -- "security clearance" bs.
1885441;1546887850;asciilifeform;note that the 'hot dog stands' aint any kinda 'workers paradise' , even tho 'no hr'
1885442;1546887855;asciilifeform;just diff sort of hell, is all.
1885443;1546887866;mircea_popescu;there's hr for hot dog stands.
1885444;1546887870;asciilifeform;aha
1885445;1546887872;mircea_popescu;they buy it with the franchise.
1885446;1546887908;asciilifeform;"security clearance" bs << asciilifeform resigned from a shithole specifically when pressed to 'take holy orders', 1 time
1885447;1546887910;mircea_popescu;again -- just because you personally never saw the face of the usg allocated mamie in charge of usg.aspect in question doesn't mean jack. she's still there, and she's still getting the same per capita.
1885448;1546887924;mircea_popescu;the quataris also don't routinely introduce the indian slaves to the qatari admin office.
1885449;1546887956;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in the small shitholes, 'mamie' comes mainly in the form of ruinous taxations ( erry d00d is taxes as 'businessman' , ~2x the usual rate )
1885450;1546888041;mircea_popescu;in the end what i'm saying is this : what you perceive as two types (with, and without mammie) are the same type, with mammie. the without-mammie type is illegal. the perceived without-mammie type is merely a particularly cheap outft, where your position is so low you're not showed it.
1885451;1546888046;mircea_popescu;but just as there in either case.
1885452;1546888070;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: for my enlightenment, pray tell, who is the 'hr mamie' when 1 d00d runs 'owner-operator' co ?
1885453;1546888085;asciilifeform;afaik there isn't yet a thing where he gotta hire politruk to 'sexual harass' ~himself~
1885454;1546888131;mircea_popescu;and if you do not believe, the test is spelled out in ye olde http://trilema.com/2014/the-problem-of-enforcement/ : start some shit about hot-topic-du-jour, see how "your boss" suddenly isn't what he seemed.
1885455;1546888150;mircea_popescu;consider the very similar case of cattle farm : cattle may think billy bob farmer is an ok guy, and doesn't even go to town that often.
1885456;1546888174;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, should quarantine be established, the differences imagined by the cattle between billy bob and that slick asshole at the industrial farm down the streed vanish
1885457;1546888178;asciilifeform;even cattle farm comes in 'feedlot' and 'grass range' flavours, neh
1885458;1546888196;asciilifeform;both go to make prime rib, certainly
1885459;1546888204;mircea_popescu;in some places. but in the fifty contiguous shitholes, it comes in "admittedly feedlot" and "deniedly feedlot" flaours.
1885460;1546888237;mircea_popescu;in short : you ~did~ sign the damned thing whether they bothered to print one to give you to sign or not.
1885461;1546888256;asciilifeform;in the sense that all of reich is subject to whatever 'labour law' etc. ? sure
1885462;1546888286;asciilifeform;but in the sense of 'mamie on premises', from the inmate end imho it makes perceptible diff.
1885463;1546888307;mircea_popescu;in the sense that if you, joe mc speshul, employed at excellence inc to do very-important-whatever walk onto campus during their "women can think" festival and urinate on the speaker in contempt,
1885464;1546888322;mircea_popescu;the end result will not be, your excellence inc enacting ramparts and shooting any and all complainers.
1885465;1546888330;asciilifeform;noshit
1885466;1546888343;mircea_popescu;the end result will be, your being fired. exactly like any other rando nobody working accounting at walmart.
1885467;1546888368;mircea_popescu;the last time anyone tried this test was specifically http://trilema.com/2017/when-did-america-end/#selection-103.0-103.11
1885468;1546888388;mircea_popescu;ie, returning conquering heroes. they didn't get away with putting the precious cuntlets in their tailhookers place ; and that was THE LAST TIME.
1885469;1546888412;asciilifeform;who fires the 1-man shop festival pisser ?
1885470;1546888412;mircea_popescu;there is no engineer so valuable in his geekery he exceeds the valuableness of the last set of jocks to win one for the ole' red, white & blue.
1885471;1546888438;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the bank, to start with.
1885472;1546888448;asciilifeform;which bank ?
1885473;1546888464;mircea_popescu;whichever bank his last pretense to shopdom rests on, in the shape of bank accounts.
1885474;1546888472;mircea_popescu;or is this more of a "shop in the mind" sorta thing ?
1885475;1546888509;asciilifeform;is it unreasonable to hypothesize a shop that does actual biz ? of whatever kind, 'buy cheap, sell dear', parts for turbines, or whatever
1885476;1546888518;asciilifeform;rather than 'eats bank loans and pretense'
1885477;1546888524;mircea_popescu;it is unreasonable to hypothesize ~the unreasonable~.
1885478;1546888565;mircea_popescu;as a factual matter, there is not the object contemplated in the reich : a thinker so valuable in his thinking, usgistic socialism gives him a berth.
1885479;1546888585;mircea_popescu;yes, this is how my life went in the ~other~ socialism ; and in the "transition" thereafter. but it is NOT the case anyone lives like this in the us.
1885480;1546888618;asciilifeform;fughet 'thinkers'. not far from my street there's a d00d who sells cement drills. has for 20+y. his shop is the size of a public toilet, and staffed by his lonesome old carcass. who fires him ?
1885481;1546888632;mircea_popescu;i understand why the notion is interesting, as i understand why the fantasy is appealing. but a fantasy it is.
1885482;1546888648;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform IF he ever becomes politically relevant, his bank, his landlord, etc.
1885483;1546888659;mircea_popescu;look in the history of early ustarded yahoos "starting businesses".
1885484;1546888668;asciilifeform;aite, aka 'having problems'. i thought we were discussing 'fired' in literal sense tho.
1885485;1546888699;mircea_popescu;who fired http://trilema.com/2015/gerald-davis-is-wrong-heres-why/ ?
1885486;1546888702;mircea_popescu;who fired dooglus ?
1885487;1546888708;mircea_popescu;"one man shops" one and all.
1885488;1546888710;asciilifeform;was their own inner devils iirc
1885489;1546888720;mircea_popescu;right. so they fired themselves ? cool then!
1885490;1546888731;mircea_popescu;if i had just said "they'll fire themselves" it'd have seemed like rhetoric.
1885491;1546888735;asciilifeform;hey some folx not simply 'fire self' but eat nagant, also
1885492;1546888786;mircea_popescu;point being -- the boyish fantasy of "i'll get SO SMART they'll have to let me be" does not in practice work.
1885493;1546888812;mircea_popescu;the empire is more than willing to do without bread ; it is not willing to do without stupid.
1885494;1546888817;asciilifeform;it didn't work in 1500s either, luther did not by own lonesome get away with nailing shit to the church door
1885495;1546888837;asciilifeform;('pissed on festival' is exactly imho analogous)
1885496;1546888890;mircea_popescu;yes, but back then the bois aspiring to "an independent life" had enough sense to join highway brigands
1885497;1546889111;mircea_popescu;rather than fantasizing about an island in the sea where they bla bla bla.
1885498;1546889150;asciilifeform;item contemplated upstack was no sort of 'berth of freedom from inca'. d00d designing turbine parts in broom-closet-sized office, seeing no living faces other than in lift, is a thing, seen with own eyes. for the privilege he pays 2-3x tax ( and can , yes, be 'defrocked' at the whim of whatever gosplan commissions the workpieces, if rocks boat. ) however it is quite diff from life as inmate inside cube hell, subjectively. granted fro
1885499;1546889151;asciilifeform;m mircea_popescu's olympus they are indistinguishable, the way untrained human cannot distinguish 2 types of wasp necessarily, will think 'wasp'
1885500;1546889195;mircea_popescu;so what is the difference ? that sees no human face ?
1885501;1546889221;asciilifeform;as described upstack -- no direct 'mamie', no 'powerpoint', etc.
1885502;1546889225;mircea_popescu;are you proposing the general population and the solitary confinement are not in the same prison ?
1885503;1546889250;asciilifeform;in point of fact usg tends to house'em in separate prisons.
1885504;1546889256;mircea_popescu;seems to me either you're arguing "berth of freedom from inca" or you're not arguing it. which specifically is it ?
1885505;1546889269;asciilifeform;solitary prison's exactly the model.
1885506;1546889274;mircea_popescu;cuz if it's the NOT, then what the hell's the difference ?
1885507;1546889297;asciilifeform;some folx in usaschwitz do their time in solitary, some in 3-man cell, some in 'general'.
1885508;1546889300;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i got a secret for you : the shy withdrawing kind almost never get the hole.
1885509;1546889310;mircea_popescu;prisons are run with a view to economy -- to get something, you must first not need it.
1885510;1546889369;asciilifeform;this is generally so, but usg is again perverse, 'terrorists' tend to get, when not hanged, 'max' (aka oubliette)
1885511;1546889373;asciilifeform;e.g. kazynski
1885512;1546889389;mircea_popescu;i suppose in this the model breaks down, with the advent of pseudo"technology", the shy withdrawing type can "HackerCombat LLC is a news site, which acts as a source of information for IT security professionals across the world. We have lived it for more than 1 year since 2017, sharing IT expert guidance and insight, [...] " bla bla bla all day long.
1885513;1546889440;asciilifeform;what precisely is 'shy withdrawing' about spam-'conference'-circuit butterflies ?
1885514;1546889469;mircea_popescu;in that they're (as you well poined out) readily equivalent to "ai", they don't ~have to~ see a face.
1885515;1546889470;mircea_popescu;ever.
1885516;1546889499;asciilifeform;i'm not even convinced there's any meat involved in churning out 'information for it professionals' spamola
1885517;1546889515;mircea_popescu;because you don't want to be.
1885518;1546889529;mircea_popescu;but in any case -- regrettably, there is absolutely ~no glamour~ associated with the red stapler guy.
1885519;1546889543;mircea_popescu;it's not merely that he can't "progress" in "levels" such that empire gives him an exception.
1885520;1546889550;mircea_popescu;it's that he is not AT ALL different from the morons.
1885521;1546889598;mircea_popescu;yes perl scripts issued by the original perl interpreter ( http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-26#1111325 ) rather than ulterior models ~prefer~ to "conference butterfly". but this personal preference does not enact a difference.
1885522;1546889598;a111;Logged on 2015-04-26 03:24 mircea_popescu: i see nobody wishes to engage the cunt problem. but yes, IT DOES RUN ON PERL.
1885523;1546889667;mircea_popescu;the "d00d designing turbine parts in broom-closet-sized office" and " i'm not even convinced there's any meat involved" are physically and entirely the same exact thing.
1885524;1546889691;asciilifeform;from the pov of 'who does not want to believe, will not' ?
1885525;1546889692;asciilifeform;sure.
1885526;1546889703;mircea_popescu;ie, not merely "just says wasp". i am actually saying there is no way to distinguish between the two.
1885527;1546889731;mircea_popescu;in the very strict terminology of the turing test : if you get a mystery box you can't explain whether it contains type 1 moron or type 2 moron.
1885528;1546889752;asciilifeform;the wasp himself however can certainly distinguish b/w own species and other.
1885529;1546889770;mircea_popescu;chimichurri, who is a boy, went once to the lake, where a dominant duck tried to fuck him.
1885530;1546889776;mircea_popescu;distinguish nothing -- they just spray and pray.
1885531;1546889782;mircea_popescu;cunts run on perl, remember ?
1885532;1546889796;asciilifeform;do the wasps tho. iirc they're quite picky re pheronomal key.
1885533;1546889809;asciilifeform;grr where was that old link, where walrus fucks penguin to death.
1885534;1546889829;asciilifeform;iirc it was a BingoBoingo find. BingoBoingo do you remember ?
1885535;1546889837;mircea_popescu;well, this is where the wasp analogy breaks down -- because there is no way to distinguish between the speshul snowflake "engineer" and the speshul snoflake douchebag.
1885536;1546889891;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: diff is that the latter goes around begging, whereas the former has some hole he drilled into fed pipe and drinks from it (while green comes out)
1885537;1546889921;asciilifeform;sorta like diff b/w mosquito and flea
1885538;1546889931;mircea_popescu;this is a difference of all the substance of "difference between car and car is that car is parked while car is moving"
1885539;1546889951;*;asciilifeform straps on heavy gas mask
1885540;1546889966;mircea_popescu;the begging and the drinking are states, both items switch through them.
1885541;1546889983;asciilifeform;if mircea_popescu is aristotelically determined not to see a diff when it dun suit him, i got nuffin
1885542;1546890070;BingoBoingo;This walrus raping a penguin and getting the gull hot? https://i.imgur.com/lJC5lxu.gifv
1885543;1546890080;mircea_popescu;well what is the difference ?! is http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-31#1883795 the point of breakdown perhaps ?
1885544;1546890080;a111;Logged on 2018-12-31 03:56 mircea_popescu: Mocky if this may help you take heart, ~everyone's employability is ~epsilon in the us. "jobs" work as alt-welfare conduits, no genuine productivity is present or contemplated.
1885545;1546890089;asciilifeform;ty BingoBoingo , is exactly the item
1885546;1546890175;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-19#1244625 << Unable to find the first instance. Already referenced as existing a few lines up from the link
1885547;1546890175;a111;Logged on 2015-08-19 23:49 mircea_popescu: the result being that behaviour in the walrus gif
1885548;1546890176;mircea_popescu;i dunno, maybe you're right, and the problem is i've predetermined not to see it. but then again this is a terrifyingly weak argument, because of its association with a dutch moron called søren, whose bright idea it was to propose that the reason you don't see what distinguishes his fsm from all the others is that you don't want to!!!
1885549;1546890212;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there are public fools, who spam impotently; and there are other folx, whose existence, however wretched/inca-besotten, is silent . i see the latter as less loathesome. this may be an ideological diff, i have nfi.
1885550;1546890228;mircea_popescu;i honestly could as well see it, for the same money i don't see it. not like it costs me.
1885551;1546890289;asciilifeform;spamola, in the most general sense of word, i.e. 'folx who have 0 to say , but open mouth anyway' is imho the principal plague of our time. so from this pov i see diff.
1885552;1546890350;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if you were saying something like "lice are better than fleas, because i personally have a serious problem with jumping" it'd even be one thing, idiosyncratic but specific. what seems to me you're saying though, is "the flying mosquitoes are worse than the ones settled, because i hate flying", and then beiung surprised by the necessary and equally obvious "but alf -- trhe same ones fly and settle in turns!"
1885553;1546890434;asciilifeform;i recall in buenosaires there were mosquitoes, but somehow they could not penetrate my skin, i watched and laffed as 1 tried
1885554;1546890445;mircea_popescu;how does "d00d designing turbine parts in broom-closet-sized office" in incadom distinguish from spammer ?
1885555;1546890447;asciilifeform;and indeed found'em to be less loathesome than the ones in washingtonistan.
1885556;1546890451;mircea_popescu;not like he's ~making something~.
1885557;1546890490;asciilifeform;i suppose oughta separate the 'which one would rather be condemned to' from 'which moar loathesome to the olympian observer'
1885558;1546890502;asciilifeform;they aint fully separate in my head, cuz i aint an olympian
1885559;1546890508;mircea_popescu;in the end this is the problem, isn't it -- you think that ~yes he is~ making something -- turbine parts. as if the parts have an existence beyond and above the incadom they're made in
1885560;1546890527;mircea_popescu;ie, you're a materialist-idealist. though with some derrogations, you don't like importing the code of these turbine makers.,
1885561;1546890549;asciilifeform;aaactually what little i've touched with own hands from 'made in usa' , comes 100% from these.
1885562;1546890554;asciilifeform;granted, '80s-90s.
1885563;1546890610;mircea_popescu;so basically, that's the dispute. you believe turbine part is turbine part qua se, and i'm gonna say, "but alf... these aren't turbine parts, they're ~religious artefacts~. similarity to actual turbine parts ~coincidental~."
1885564;1546890631;asciilifeform;dunno, i have e.g. perfectly working logic analyzer here, made by one such.
1885565;1546890646;asciilifeform;( not even speaking of bolix or other 'holy war' fodders )
1885566;1546890655;mircea_popescu;and then the conversation flows by itself, "suppose i test one of them artefacts and it matches turbine ?" "then you have ~made~ a turbine ~out of a~ religious artefact"
1885567;1546890686;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the only rerason it is a logic analyzer is your "perfectly working" stamp.
1885568;1546890690;mircea_popescu;otherwise it'd just be rubbish.
1885569;1546890708;asciilifeform;or, say, 'commodore 64', built by ex-auschwitz inmate j. tramiel and 6 other d00dz in some barn.
1885570;1546890720;mircea_popescu;you, alf, have literally produced such a logic analyzer, out of some raw materials. exact same process as electronics factory
1885571;1546890727;mircea_popescu;just, you work with garbage, they work with pcbs
1885572;1546890737;asciilifeform;so all rubbish until breath life into it ? can say this about anyffin at all neh.
1885573;1546890741;asciilifeform;knife, fork, wrench.
1885574;1546890807;mircea_popescu;there's two kinds of civilisations : dead and alive.
1885575;1546890815;mircea_popescu;the dead are distinguished from the alive in that they're broken the meaning covenant.
1885576;1546890824;asciilifeform;( and on other end, it is literally troo of all rubbish -- if zeus could rearrange the atoms, dead racoon could be prime rib, or diamond, etc )
1885577;1546890832;mircea_popescu;consequently, nothing of theirs can be trusted. they don't have objects in the usual sense. they have religious artefacts.
1885578;1546890837;mircea_popescu;these can be studied, but can not be used.
1885579;1546890877;asciilifeform;imho 30y+ ago they still made occasional object ( in mircea_popescu's sense )
1885580;1546890882;mircea_popescu;until and unless human culture recoallesces into a form where i can trust their products, it will be the case we have an orc culture, where everything's suspect of poisoning.
1885581;1546890887;mircea_popescu;in any and all cases -- the maker is he whose guarantee we accept.
1885582;1546890906;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform even as late as 2005, in the subjective sense that i ~trusted~ them to.
1885583;1546890911;asciilifeform;i aint about to disagree with this formula ( it's 100% of the thrust of vtronics, say )
1885584;1546890945;asciilifeform;( observe why asciilifeform regularly refers to his worx as 'junkyard wars' )
1885585;1546890971;mircea_popescu;observed.
1885586;1546891176;mircea_popescu;in the end this discussion turned out most productive. it makes obivous the distinction between the latins (very much alive) and the christians (deader than disco) : i very much expect a phrase lifted from petronius to ~work for me today~ ; i entirely expect any clipping of the "church fathers" to drip more poison than can be ever documented, and in no case be usable for anything.
1885587;1546891227;asciilifeform;entertainingly, even the '80s-90s' proviso aint 100%; just last week i had occasion to plug in a http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-04#1884363 , nominally made in some barn in usa, and it's a+++
1885588;1546891227;a111;Logged on 2019-01-04 15:12 asciilifeform: in other olds-noose, asciilifeform installed a http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674958 , and it's pretty great. ty phf !
1885589;1546891245;asciilifeform;https://www.clearlysuperiortech.com << where it came from.
1885590;1546891253;asciilifeform;( found via phf's link from coupla yrs ago )
1885591;1546891276;asciilifeform;thing is built like t34, can break heads with it.
1885592;1546891296;mircea_popescu;"Clearly Superior Technologies is a family business. We take pride in our level of service and the  quality and consistency of our products. We cater to all organizations and individuals that want or need easy button access and a large, easy to control ball with a high degree of durability."
1885593;1546891320;mircea_popescu;sadly, novelty name rather than political declaration. but o well, better a fig than nothing at all.
1885594;1546891321;asciilifeform;in so far as the artifact itself is concerned, i suspect they aint lyin'
1885595;1546891344;mircea_popescu;i believe.
1885596;1546891355;asciilifeform;somehow that shop stays in biz.
1885597;1546891379;mircea_popescu;well, somehow. by not being too serious about that "clearly superior tech" thing.
1885598;1546891390;asciilifeform;hm what would be then 'too serious'
1885599;1546891404;asciilifeform;it's a pretty humble item.
1885600;1546891425;asciilifeform;( with -- afaik -- no meaningful competition on quality. sorta like fg )
1885601;1546891687;mircea_popescu;aiming to replace the entire technological stack currently in use with their own, better alternative.
1885602;1546891699;mircea_popescu;~it's what the words say~. it's not "clearly better trackballs".
1885603;1546891704;asciilifeform;a 3-man co that makes mice?!
1885604;1546891757;asciilifeform;i'll buy the nitpick re the name tho. name 'writes cheque arse can't cash'
1885605;1546891767;asciilifeform;ougtha be 'superior balls'.
1885606;1546891840;asciilifeform;at any rate, i know literally 0 re the outfit aside from what's claimed in their www, and the fact that they made the 1st ballmouse i've touched and not wanted to throw into window
1885607;1546891879;asciilifeform;and the latter in particular counts in favour of the hypothesis that yes, there's life somewhere, inca not exterminated errything.
1885608;1546891906;asciilifeform;it dun 'replace whole techno-stack', no.
1885609;1546892002;auctionbot;Sell order # 1033 has ENDED: 500 wired filthy fiats (WU) SOLD to BingoBoingo for 140mn ecu. Attn: lobbes
1885610;1546892061;asciilifeform;a working ballmouse aint a wunderwaffen, no. but also not 'meaningless religious artifact' that can be entirely dismissed out of hand, imho.
1885611;1546892143;asciilifeform;for that matter, even fg theoretically 'made in usa', by combo of asciilifeform's hands and hired pcb house
1885612;1546892177;asciilifeform;or , e.g., that little disk gadget in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2943
1885613;1546892196;asciilifeform;also made fg-style (iirc even sores posted, and for ice40 no less)
1885614;1546892275;asciilifeform;or the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-15#1751813 device. plenty of items right here on my desk.
1885615;1546892275;a111;Logged on 2017-12-15 01:57 phf: asciilifeform: http://downloads.cornall.co/ibm-capsense-usb/ is that what you used for your model f?
1885616;1546892345;asciilifeform;some d00d in a cellar, makes boards, sells.
1885617;1546892349;asciilifeform;no 'hr'.
1885618;1546892410;asciilifeform;i also sadly have artifacts made 'with hr'. that'd be the junk that worx on even-numbered calendar days ( crapple etc. )
1885619;1546892424;asciilifeform;it is not difficult in practice to tell the diff, on the day you plug it in.
1885620;1546892601;asciilifeform;this was the thrust of asciilifeform's arg in the orig thread -- yes there are still people-who-are-people. even inside reich. and no they havent yet all hoisted the republic banner ( each for own reasons, whether ignorance, or 'gotta pay bills NOW', or whatnot.) but they do make things worth having. and sell ( i suspect largely to one another.. )
1885621;1546892640;asciilifeform;the tailor who made mircea_popescu's shirt is also not (afaik) in wot yet.
1885622;1546892744;asciilifeform;if they knew how to do biz ~only~ with one another, and not heathens, i suspect -- would.
1885623;1546892751;asciilifeform;but i dun expect to live to see that philosopher's stone.
1885624;1546892839;asciilifeform;in re the mouseball people, there is for instance rumour that they live mainly by selling shipboard ballmice to usg, for submarines.
1885625;1546892843;asciilifeform;i can believe it.
1885626;1546892868;asciilifeform;( trad pc mouse cannot be used on ships or aircraft, for reasons i think are clear )
1885627;1546893000;asciilifeform;i am unequipped to pontificate whether this counts as a http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885478 tho.
1885628;1546893000;a111;Logged on 2019-01-07 19:16 mircea_popescu: as a factual matter, there is not the object contemplated in the reich : a thinker so valuable in his thinking, usgistic socialism gives him a berth.
1885629;1546893090;asciilifeform;but to the extent the props of the reich are working physical artifacts, and they haven't yet descended to shaking pointed sticks and 'ook ook' sounds, they're made by somebody. and that's largely who, folx given -- yes -- some sorta berth.
1885630;1546893769;BingoBoingo;!Qlater tell lobbes http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/r6rks/?raw=true
1885631;1546893770;lobbesbot;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
1885632;1546894500;asciilifeform;( for aficionados of earlier subj -- http://xahlee.info/kbd/itac_mouse-trak_trackball.html compares a coupla similars )
1885633;1546906066;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885607 << this is where we do not agree. "Clearly Superior Technologies is a family business." aka a dork manaloning somewhere with the support of a dedicated wife does NOT constitute life ; much in the manner "perhaps some bacteria on mars" does not mean "extraterrestrial civilisation".
1885634;1546906066;a111;Logged on 2019-01-07 20:11 asciilifeform: and the latter in particular counts in favour of the hypothesis that yes, there's life somewhere, inca not exterminated errything.
1885635;1546906080;asciilifeform;yaya only olympus is life
1885636;1546906082;mircea_popescu;the capacity for life of menalone is ~potential~. it is not actual.
1885637;1546906084;asciilifeform;and only ambrosia, food
1885638;1546906099;mircea_popescu;men alone are not actually alive ; they are suspected of being perhaps capable of coming alive. that's all.
1885639;1546906133;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you see some problem with distinctions in general or just some of them ?
1885640;1546906165;asciilifeform;i've nfi if even equipped to comment, per the scheme, possibly never been alive
1885641;1546906210;mircea_popescu;eh.
1885642;1546906235;mircea_popescu;dude's not publishing patches for anyone to sign, and your kind if ineffectual attempts to sign them anyway don't enact patches out of a void.
1885643;1546906267;asciilifeform;i dun know how to sign a pipe wrench either
1885644;1546906274;asciilifeform;yet i dare say i've got a pretty good one here
1885645;1546906297;mircea_popescu;if the standard is low enough for stco to pass, then 1941s france contained 10mn resistence fighters : 9.9 mn of which carefully preserved a room somewhere in the house "where no german set foot", through the procedure of no german happening to want to.
1885646;1546906311;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform same way you signed a fg, which is the exact same fucking thing.
1885647;1546906334;asciilifeform;you may recall that the impossibility of signing a concrete, physical fg, continues to give asciilifeform headache
1885648;1546906349;mircea_popescu;imagine this wonder, "we're winning world war 2, llc", manufacturer of extremely effectual shove handles. THEY NEVER SPLINTER!
1885649;1546906362;asciilifeform;i aint invented a means to sign physical objs yet (and afaik nobody else has either)
1885650;1546906383;mircea_popescu;maybe i'm naive, but i'm satisfied with the extant methods as they stand.
1885651;1546906396;mircea_popescu;"a) here's signed ideal ; b) here's concrete -- c) check"
1885652;1546906410;asciilifeform;i aint about to argue with a satisfied customer
1885653;1546906419;asciilifeform;but the particular problem is imho real.
1885654;1546906423;mircea_popescu;why not ? the true mark of the true engineer! :D
1885655;1546906442;mircea_popescu;remember that time corp imploded through engineers invovled telling anyone not to buy product, it sucks, they're making way better one ?
1885656;1546906450;asciilifeform;osborne
1885657;1546906467;mircea_popescu;happened plenty of times. aanyways -- what problem is real then ?
1885658;1546906500;asciilifeform;the one where once it goes in the postbox, i cannot definitely say what will come out on other end.
1885659;1546906579;mircea_popescu;notice that the collaose of white civilisation happened exactly around the forcelines of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-08#1885650 : they ~fucked up~ the publications of the ideal (through efforts very much like http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885267 ) resulting in the collapse of the checking and thus the necessary http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-deal-with-pseudoscience/ death.
1885660;1546906579;a111;Logged on 2019-01-08 00:13 mircea_popescu: maybe i'm naive, but i'm satisfied with the extant methods as they stand.
1885661;1546906579;a111;Logged on 2019-01-07 01:09 hanbot most recently ran into this particular flavor of wikiwank when looking for specific incident lead on ms-13 the other day, was bombarded by "trump falsely claims!!!"
1885662;1546906723;asciilifeform;relatedly, it is said that usg has an internal , proprietary pediwikia. but i've nfi what's in it, prolly a case of http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-30#778095
1885663;1546906723;a111;Logged on 2014-07-30 13:57 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: remember the story about gorby and andropov?
1885664;1546906877;mircea_popescu;nah, more like a case of -- http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-23#1547879
1885665;1546906877;a111;Logged on 2016-09-23 23:22 mircea_popescu: and in other lulz, http://www.trackingterrorism.org/search/apachesolr_search/bitcoin
1885666;1546906892;mircea_popescu;or any of a bunch of such ridiculous nonsense we mocked over the yeears.
1885667;1546906914;mircea_popescu;i recall recent example i put in, except for the specifics. obama era meanwhile defunded pile of spurious posturing.
1885668;1546906924;asciilifeform;!#s intellipedia
1885669;1546906925;a111;0 results for "intellipedia", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=intellipedia
1885670;1546906926;asciilifeform;hm.
1885671;1546906949;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-25#1874521 << there it is.
1885672;1546906949;a111;Logged on 2018-11-25 06:49 mircea_popescu: oh, and in other lulz http://trilema.com/2017/in-case-you-were-wondering-where-all-the-worthless-nuland-drones-ended-up/ : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter_Extremism_Project
1885673;1546906957;mircea_popescu;there's a lotta these.
1885674;1546906958;asciilifeform;nah diff item
1885675;1546906963;asciilifeform;the one on 'siprnet' etc
1885676;1546906977;mircea_popescu;yaya. we're back to the "no difference" discussion.
1885677;1546906979;asciilifeform;y'know, analogous to the 'sov real budget'
1885678;1546906986;asciilifeform;that andropov wouldn't show gorby
1885679;1546907015;mircea_popescu;nope. analoguous to "oh, this bureaucracy can't just put mp-wp on, gotta spend 5mns to pay some indian monkey $500 to wing an "in house" one overnight"
1885680;1546907164;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885620 << i'm satisfied with my stance that "this is all fantasy", if nothing else then because even the clouds make "patterns worth watching" now and again, especially as a function of mood ; and time's certainly going the way of my stance being correct, rather than the opposite.
1885681;1546907164;a111;Logged on 2019-01-07 20:23 asciilifeform: this was the thrust of asciilifeform's arg in the orig thread -- yes there are still people-who-are-people. even inside reich. and no they havent yet all hoisted the republic banner ( each for own reasons, whether ignorance, or 'gotta pay bills NOW', or whatnot.) but they do make things worth having. and sell ( i suspect largely to one another.. )
1885682;1546907177;mircea_popescu;menalone llc will spawn as it's principal product, and the spawn ain't gonna be like daddy.
1885683;1546907181;mircea_popescu;the spawn's gonna be like mommy.
1885684;1546907224;asciilifeform;they dun spawn, as such , they make $wrench for coupla decades and then the old man dies and that's it.
1885685;1546907247;asciilifeform;they're embers from fire that burned out some long time ago.
1885686;1546907273;mircea_popescu;leaving behind a coupla kids to "deal" with "the complicated legacy". you know p s hoffman ?
1885687;1546907287;mircea_popescu;fat faggot, died recently of faggotry-related health issues. he's been in so many of these...
1885688;1546907327;asciilifeform;my current impression is that most dun leave anyffin but a memory ( and sometimes a dusty warehouse )
1885689;1546907501;mircea_popescu;they leave behind a coupla degenerate morons, http://trilema.com/2016/the-savages/ style . or i guess http://trilema.com/2013/magnolia/ ;l same thing really.
1885690;1546907514;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-20#1827481 << older thread about 1 of these
1885691;1546907514;a111;Logged on 2018-06-20 00:37 asciilifeform: there's a fab in usa where, believe or not, they still make 2um classics like cdp1802 for usg. but they dun take walkins.
1885692;1546907553;mircea_popescu;spawn, what. between tom cruise "accomplishments" and kirsten wiig accomplishments, more or less michael cera.
1885693;1546907555;asciilifeform;( yep they have a private 2uM fab going. is why the old 'warthog' still flies, and other 'vhs'-era tech )
1885694;1546907559;mircea_popescu;or was it michael zero.
1885695;1546907577;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the warthog got withdrawn. ~for lack of that fab~.
1885696;1546907597;*;asciilifeform sadly cannot build on the cinematic refs, knows only 'tom cruise -- actor?' and is all
1885697;1546907614;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: possibly, all i know re subj is 3-4 yrs old
1885698;1546907625;asciilifeform;when it was still inbiz
1885699;1546907644;mircea_popescu;i doubt it was anywhere near any biz, seeing how the warthog withdrawal happened prior.
1885700;1546907649;asciilifeform;i even managed to purchase a cdp1802 baked there, for lulz. but is all.
1885701;1546907655;mircea_popescu;died, cca 2003, like all others.
1885702;1546907762;asciilifeform;oh hey 2016
1885703;1546907767;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885621 << nor is there any need for that. what, you're going to get the suit off a dead mp and wear it on to victory ?
1885704;1546907767;a111;Logged on 2019-01-07 20:24 asciilifeform: the tailor who made mircea_popescu's shirt is also not (afaik) in wot yet.
1885705;1546907770;asciilifeform;'In September 2016, it was announced that Renesas was to acquire Intersil for $3.2 billion'
1885706;1546907777;mircea_popescu;let the suit die wit hthe man ; socket wrenches another matter.
1885707;1546907791;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: was in re hypothetical 'what if republic worked as closed sys'
1885708;1546907821;mircea_popescu;it does work as a closed system : gotta be this intellectually tall to ride is the securest seal ever invented.
1885709;1546907941;asciilifeform;https://www.renesas.com/us/en/products/space-harsh-environment/harsh-environment/microprocessors-peripherals/device/CDP1802A.html#ordering << lol, japan still sells, i had nfi
1885710;1546907949;asciilifeform;thought it'd evaporate with the swallowing.
1885711;1546907981;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885622 << no, they fucking wouldn't, because they were spawned by strippers. who are still sitting around today, posturing idly in the vein of http://trilema.com/2017/heres-why-you-will-end-your-days-in-a-concentration-camp/ between the carrot of http://trilema.com/2013/various-kinds-of-stickiness/#comment-112932 and the cudgel of http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/
1885712;1546907981;a111;Logged on 2019-01-07 20:25 asciilifeform: if they knew how to do biz ~only~ with one another, and not heathens, i suspect -- would.
1885713;1546908224;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885629 << last anyone's seen, they've so descended, yes.
1885714;1546908224;a111;Logged on 2019-01-07 20:31 asciilifeform: but to the extent the props of the reich are working physical artifacts, and they haven't yet descended to shaking pointed sticks and 'ook ook' sounds, they're made by somebody. and that's largely who, folx given -- yes -- some sorta berth.
1885715;1546908230;mircea_popescu;even the handcuffs are now zip ties.
1885716;1546908274;mircea_popescu;and no, you can't ressurect a dead argument on the tail end of having been hammered into the ground. there's nobody alive ; there's no berths ; you can pursue this fantasy at a terrible cost anyway.
1885717;1546908310;asciilifeform;it's impossible to 'win argument' against 'tanana cant hear you', yes
1885718;1546908436;asciilifeform;a:'hey mircea_popescu , i saw kangaroo in a zoo once' m:'yer delusional , there aint no such animal, fuckin' brits lied about it' a:'looked quite like the drawing' m:'destructive fantasy, and at terrible cost, you saw mutilated donkey' a:'...'
1885719;1546908585;mircea_popescu;doesn't seem to me it's how it went, but aaalrighty.
1885720;1546908979;mircea_popescu;in any case, it's the (heavily promoted, of course) fantasy of the "geek" in mainstream ustard culture, "oh, i'll be SO GOOD IN CLASS little slut rosa's defo gonna get wet for me". as cameron diaz well points out : never gonna fucking happen.
1885721;1546909004;mircea_popescu;there ~isn't~ a way to be good ~at your chosen field~ such that you're a successful chowdry in incadom.
1885722;1546909051;mircea_popescu;yes, it was an extremely popular delusion in the 90s even, which is to say "within living memory", hence "entrepreneurial culture" and all that wank. nevertheless, delusions, howsoever popular (and therefore osmotically persuasive) they may get, stay delusions.
1885723;1546909247;mircea_popescu;for as long starvation / being eaten alive by wild animals while very fucking cold is not on the table, little slut rosa has other shit to attend to ; outside of deliberate and constructed exclusion of the stupid poor from the workings of society, the stupid poor have no incentive to respect same. and so on.
1885724;1546909452;asciilifeform;it's what 'vhs 1980s' was shorthand for, neh, 'work on salary and afford 3 houses and boat'
1885725;1546909460;asciilifeform;went away long ago, if existed, i never saw it
1885726;1546909488;mircea_popescu;and since we're here, let's go on an archeological detour.
1885727;1546909521;mircea_popescu;the (batshit insane, in modern terminology) claim of the xtians that their fsb controls "life everlasting" was ~meaningful~ in times past, and built out of the following articulation of logic :
1885728;1546909597;mircea_popescu;as the life habits [they stole from "those pagans" the stoics] promoted longevity, it was a trivial observation (for they inclined to observe, of course) that xtians ~live longer~ than non-xtians. THIS was the substance of the entirety of the supernatural claim, for a thousand years or so, and yes, to the orc mind it makes sense that the bearded dood in the sky who makes these weirdos die 70s not 50s perhaps has more of the s
1885729;1546909597;mircea_popescu;ame in store ofr later.
1885730;1546909619;asciilifeform;the hindu did this even better iirc
1885731;1546909626;mircea_popescu;as rational inquiry divorced longevity from religiosity, the claim lost its meaning, but it is ever present in strangeola like "smoking is a sin".
1885732;1546909643;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the reason there were three religions in the mediteranean was that specifically all three delivered this.
1885733;1546909663;asciilifeform;( it showed up again in modern times, in the form of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-02#1883881 )
1885734;1546909663;a111;Logged on 2019-01-02 17:39 asciilifeform: ( the gulag folx chalked it up to 'lack of vodka' for the most part tho )
1885735;1546909677;mircea_popescu;indeed.
1885736;1546909738;mircea_popescu;hence an unbroken chain, from http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-10#1735907 to http://trilema.com/2018/yes-bitch-i-would-bring-it/
1885737;1546909738;a111;Logged on 2017-11-10 15:12 mircea_popescu: stipendi peccatus mors est.
1885738;1546909742;asciilifeform;of course there is also mark twain's addendum to this, 'quit drink, quit smoke, you might not live >100 but it will ~feel~ like 1000' or how did it go
1885739;1546909798;mircea_popescu;well yes. the socialist trade is always a case of "substitute vinyl siding for brick wall".
1885740;1546909826;mircea_popescu;"substitute moses for zeno" same exact deal.
1885741;1546910062;mircea_popescu;now then : all these fantasies, "i'll worship so purely i'll never die", "i'll get a paycheck so huge i won't have to go on dates anymore", "i'll be that kurchatov" rely on something specific : there's gotta be a stalin. there's no stalin of long living, nor is there a stalin of rooseveltian socialism -- the thing's built ~specifically~ (and ~purposefully~, deliberately) as a "stalinism without any stalin".
1885742;1546910175;mircea_popescu;"but mp, you own this-and-so company that got specific safe harbour /legal extemption/ whatever precisely fitting "berth" definition item from x/y/z posturer to authority". "yes, i did ; and i can, too. but it is a) not ever obtained through the avenue here contemplated and, importantly, MUCH more importantly, b) a dodge. it is strictly there to mask from the dangerous the fundamental state of affairs."
1885743;1546910236;asciilifeform;i actually have deeply nfi how they were (or are?) obtained, today or 40y ago
1885744;1546910245;asciilifeform;could be through marriage into nobility for all i know.
1885745;1546910313;mircea_popescu;it's how anything valuable ever is obtained : http://btcbase.org/log/2015-01-30#998185
1885746;1546910313;a111;Logged on 2015-01-30 05:51 mircea_popescu: which is why i am not ever giving it up. the freedom to threaten is not merely my fundamental, unassailable sovereign property, but moreover essential for the construction of effectual instruments to squash the socialists and their golums.
1885747;1546910362;asciilifeform;i suppose could be 'leave my cement factory alone or i send you yer daughter's other ear'
1885748;1546910364;asciilifeform;i've nfi.
1885749;1546910421;mircea_popescu;remember the famous tito-stalin "leave yugo alone" exhange ? keks.
1885750;1546910425;asciilifeform;aha
1885751;1546910477;asciilifeform;( or for that matter, whether renesas co. of tokyo was able to swallow usg's intersil co. because jp sent preet his daugher's other ear, or because preet married jp princess and sits on throne there, i also have nfi )
1885752;1546910499;mircea_popescu;can't say i've been following.
1885753;1546910521;mircea_popescu;if i had to take a blind wager, it'd be ye olde "information differential" -- jp knew and usg didn't.
1885754;1546910548;mircea_popescu;same way peter minuit bought manhattan. married no slovenly local cuntlet.
1885755;1546910558;asciilifeform;!#s principal agent
1885756;1546910559;a111;8 results for "principal agent", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=principal%20agent
1885757;1546910594;asciilifeform;i'd guess it was a case of http://trilema.com/2018/the-principal-agent-problem-or-how-america-went-away/#selection-131.79-131.97 , some ameri-monkey was in a position to take the 3.2B in paper in exch for whatever crater, and did
1885758;1546910612;asciilifeform;and turned it into 100k of turkey green spendable in thailand to fuck sheep, and is doing so nao
1885759;1546910650;asciilifeform;err, possibly wrong link
1885760;1546910680;asciilifeform;moar http://trilema.com/2018/the-principal-agent-problem-or-how-america-went-away/#selection-205.1-217.110
1885761;1546910971;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-08#1885715 << revisiting this lul : not long ago i saw a cop collar some monkeys on the street, and believe or not, bona fide cuffs
1885762;1546910971;a111;Logged on 2019-01-08 00:43 mircea_popescu: even the handcuffs are now zip ties.
1885763;1546911003;asciilifeform;possibly in flyshit, ohio -- zip ties.
1885764;1546911114;asciilifeform;( phunphakt -- in ye olde su, handcuff was uncommon, outside of where it was used as an instrument of 'question of the third degree', in a form of old-school 'strappado' . )
1885765;1546911261;mircea_popescu;maybe until the unionized cops who still know how to work a lock-and-key last, who knows.
1885766;1546911425;asciilifeform;they carry cheap imported pistol, cuffs, flashlight, and the traditional 'democratizer', and these props havent visibly changed in asciilifeform's living memory
1885767;1546911470;asciilifeform;iirc coupla yrs ago i linked to photos i took at a 'police expo' where all of this was proudly exhibited to gawking public
1885768;1546911488;asciilifeform;complete with tiny little chopper, held 1 d00d
1885769;1546911506;mircea_popescu;also the 800 lb incendiary "entry devices" ? lol.
1885770;1546911518;asciilifeform;a:'where do you put prisoner' cop:'wtf you smoking? chopper takes pictures'
1885771;1546911525;asciilifeform;them.
1885772;1546911529;mircea_popescu;golden age came and went.
1885773;1546911556;asciilifeform;it's mostly surplus gear from iraq
1885774;1546911561;asciilifeform;i dun expect it lasts 4evah
1885775;1546911575;asciilifeform;(with the possible exception of the cast-iron battering rams, dunno how those'd break)
1885776;1546911596;asciilifeform;there was a schmeisser-like thing, rusted solid, dunno why they even bothered showing it
1885777;1546911605;asciilifeform;(possibly to evoke pity ? 'we want moar grant')
1885778;1546911645;mircea_popescu;keks.
1885779;1546911655;asciilifeform;1 item looked like old 'lahti' antitank rifle. i asked 'why'. beat cop : 'cars'
1885780;1546911716;asciilifeform;possibly the 1 interesting item in the exhibit, was approx as long as i am tall
1885781;1546911860;asciilifeform;there was also a http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-26#1072977 -style caterpillar bot thing , with shotgun, but unremarkable
1885782;1546911860;a111;Logged on 2015-03-26 20:43 asciilifeform: one to break doors, gates; one to threaten bystanders, if any, with 'accidental' fire; one to shoot; and perhaps one with a cage that arrestee -might- be permitted to surrender into, if the bot's voice-recognition system works and if orders included a possible live capture
1885783;1546911869;asciilifeform;( these are standard nao, as i understand, even in flyshit ohio )
1885784;1546911978;asciilifeform;one might naively expect that the bot would have a belt-fed shooter of some kind, but nope -- it had double barrel '12gauge' , loaded by hand.
1885785;1546911999;asciilifeform;could say 'golden age over', but i dunthink their goldenage included shotgun bots.
1885786;1546915792;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/01/ethereum-classic-experiences-chain-reorganization-100-blocks/ << Qntra -- Ethereum Classic Experiences Chain Reorganization > 100 Blocks
1885787;1546922722;lobbes;!Qlater tell BingoBoingo http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/GkTmo/?raw=true
1885788;1546922722;lobbesbot;lobbes: The operation succeeded.
1885789;1546922723;lobbesbot;lobbes: Sent 8 hours and 2 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/r6rks/?raw=true
1885790;1546923318;BingoBoingo;lobbes ty
1885791;1546923318;lobbesbot;BingoBoingo: Sent 9 minutes ago: <lobbes> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/GkTmo/?raw=true
1885792;1546962949;Mocky;I had the most vivid dream last night that I met mp and hanbot. I shook mp's hand and then I turned and shook hanbot's hand and when I turned back mp was gone but left me a note with his signature and "kek" then I turned and habot was gone too
1885793;1546963006;asciilifeform;guten morgen Mocky
1885794;1546963016;Mocky;mornin'
1885795;1546963086;BingoBoingo;Mornin folks
1885796;1546963090;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/01/dead-black-man-found-at-major-pantsuit-donors-home-for-second-time-in-less-than-two-years/ << Qntra -- Dead Black Man Found At Major Pantsuit Donor's Home For Second Time In Less Than Two Years
1885797;1546964669;mircea_popescu;Mocky lol auction off the note, prolly bigbux(tm)!
1885798;1546964715;*;asciilifeform upturned a stack of papers with elbow last night, a mircea_popescu card came flying out
1885799;1546964766;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo are these tynisha ysais relatives ? any bits missing ?
1885800;1546964783;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what's a mp card ?
1885801;1546964789;mircea_popescu;oh, you mean the black business card things ?
1885802;1546964793;asciilifeform;aha that
1885803;1546964805;asciilifeform;the 1 with the gpg fp
1885804;1546964841;mircea_popescu;pretty cool item, if i do say so myself. the face of all the people who've since got one... worth erry penny.
1885805;1546964849;asciilifeform;it's nifty.
1885806;1546964862;asciilifeform;i still think an electric one would be even spiffier tho
1885807;1546964942;asciilifeform;(i.e. plug it in, it 'types' the modulus)
1885808;1546964943;mircea_popescu;how'd an electric one go ?
1885809;1546964949;Mocky;electric, what, to pull itself out of your pocket?
1885810;1546964949;mircea_popescu;i dun see it.
1885811;1546964954;mircea_popescu;you know ?
1885812;1546964971;mircea_popescu;i mean, if it ~speaks~ it, it could be cooler in the intended market ; but honestly speaking is inferior tech to reading.
1885813;1546965017;asciilifeform;typing in 4096bit is bit of a pain
1885814;1546965106;mircea_popescu;SLAVEGIRLS.
1885815;1546965120;asciilifeform;lol
1885816;1546965136;Mocky;so long as it doesn't have cancel button
1885817;1546965154;asciilifeform;ahahahaha
1885818;1546965185;mircea_popescu;there's two solutions to "x is painful" : a) make x', just-like-x-but-not-painful ; and b) use it in training, where pain is both desirable, useful and necessary.
1885819;1546965216;asciilifeform;there's also the 3rd, 'make it == x but slightly less pain' but admittedly takes work
1885820;1546965255;asciilifeform;( i'll observe, mircea_popescu's ship has diesels, rather than oars, last i knew )
1885821;1546965266;mircea_popescu;(and, for completeness & rounding off [kek kek] of the "dating" reference yesterday : the ~other~ locus of man, other than "doing very well on a date", is sitting on a couch [of power] and pointing at which fancy fanciula he intends to sozomize next. just sayin'.)
1885822;1546965297;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform oars are not merely painful, but also train biceps. mp is not so keep in bicep-y slavegirls, THEREFORE has not oars.
1885823;1546965306;mircea_popescu;if oars promoted instead stoic values, it'd have fucking oars.
1885824;1546965318;mircea_popescu;not so keen* i meep
1885825;1546965319;asciilifeform;couch << very suleiman, i'd expect 'throne'
1885826;1546965321;mircea_popescu;meen*
1885827;1546965331;asciilifeform;i can see re the biceps tho
1885828;1546965346;asciilifeform;perhaps give'em pedals.
1885829;1546965359;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is an eastern power, what can i tell you.
1885830;1546965411;mircea_popescu;or, to quote from fetgirl, "mistey25 19F Switch Also an intelegence test? What makes you think you have what it takes to judge if someone is smart or not. There’s a quote from Albert Einstein “if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree it will live its whole life believing it’s an idiot”. And you’re judging me based off of things you’re pulling out of your ass. Why don’t I give you a bit of judgement. Yo
1885831;1546965411;mircea_popescu;u look like a goat fucker."
1885832;1546965466;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: didja reply 'perfect, you look exactly like goat
1885833;1546965467;asciilifeform;' ?
1885834;1546965499;mircea_popescu;lol nope. i said goats are cute but not to the point of fucking one.
1885835;1546965516;asciilifeform;btw are they all xyzpqrDIGITDIGIT ? it's like aol never died
1885836;1546965540;mircea_popescu;anyway, it's testament to my famous capacity of fitting in -- comes from the fact i use as main profile pic a shot hanbot took in turkey, where i was being INCREDIBLY fucking fit-in.
1885837;1546965598;mircea_popescu;(the first time around, decade or so prior, turkey ss guy intercepted me. like on the street. asked if i'm from the us, i said romania, he said no fucking way, what are you selling me here. was pretty lulzy.)
1885838;1546965715;asciilifeform;twist : he asked in hungarian
1885839;1546965741;asciilifeform;'english, french, and japanese spy'(tm)(r)
1885840;1546965848;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they are not. here, have a sampler http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ufhi6/?raw=true
1885841;1546965876;asciilifeform;oh hah, only a ~third of'em..
1885842;1546965881;mircea_popescu;aha.
1885843;1546965903;mircea_popescu;did some countwork at some point irrc. lotta "kitten" (spoiler : generally fatties), lotta stuff like that.
1885844;1546965953;asciilifeform;in other esoterica, on gentoo 'xinput' dumps list of mice, and then 'xinput --set-prop yermousenumber 269 -1' switches off mouse-acceleration. ( possibly phf already knew this, but gives 9000x moar usable roller )
1885845;1546965968;mircea_popescu;how are you to use a mouse w/o acceleration ?!
1885846;1546965979;asciilifeform;well if it's a trad mouse you generally wouldn't
1885847;1546965984;asciilifeform;but for rollerballs it worx great
1885848;1546965994;asciilifeform;( 1:1 mm/rolled to pixels )
1885849;1546965995;mircea_popescu;ah works diff for rollers ? mkay
1885850;1546966000;*;mircea_popescu never got into that.
1885851;1546966017;asciilifeform;me neither, until recently
1885852;1546966052;mircea_popescu;i get the "takes less space than mouse" etc. it just seems bulky and inconvenient to me. and too high. and so on.
1885853;1546966058;mircea_popescu;not proposing this as problems ~with the item~.
1885854;1546966069;asciilifeform;it takes ~same space as mouse, if you have a decent two-bricks-sized box
1885855;1546966093;asciilifeform;the win is that when you e.g. cad, less muscle aches. ( asciilifeform aint cad'ing currently but expects to again later this yr.. )
1885856;1546966107;asciilifeform;i dunno how phf ended up into it tho, iirc he dun cad
1885857;1546966117;asciilifeform;but i got the idea from him
1885858;1546966339;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo are these tynisha ysais relatives ? any bits missing ? << Apparently they are just dead sex workers
1885859;1546966354;mircea_popescu;black ~men~ ?
1885860;1546966377;asciilifeform;the linked piece read like a 'bugger-for-meth' affair
1885861;1546966390;BingoBoingo;Yeah, black male sex workers.
1885862;1546966439;BingoBoingo;From the text of the Qntra piece: "In the previous incident Gemmel Moore, a 26 year old male sex worker's death was ruled a drug overdose following an investigation which found numerous syringes and indicators of habitual methamphetamine use in Buck's home. According to Moore's journal, Buck introduced him to methamphetamine."
1885863;1546966501;BingoBoingo;White pantsuit hiring black men for sex and hooking them on meth... like that Atlanta dude but with different taste in holes
1885864;1546966522;mircea_popescu;well, in all fairness to the http://trilema.com/2016/welcome-to-baluba-island/ cuck in question -- if your wife fucks a dozen or so "bulls" before they do you in the ass per week say, and it's been a hundred weeks, you're looking at five or so thousand of these having spent a day with you within the past half week, which is the "relation" standard contemplated.
1885865;1546966558;mircea_popescu;that one in x thousand black gay-for-pay tards (who are also drug users, nqa) will od a year... gimme a break.
1885866;1546966565;mircea_popescu;in short : it's a wonder there weren't two dozen.
1885867;1546966629;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo the ridiculous notion " Gemmel Moore, a 26 year old male twink" was ~keepin a journal~. srsly ? with what ?
1885868;1546966670;BingoBoingo;His community college art school supplies?
1885869;1546966710;mircea_popescu;oh, you mean the ipad ? i think they cut off what he was trying to say.
1885870;1546966747;BingoBoingo;Anyways, first incident was dismissed after pantsuit outrage over the investigation as an attack on the old dude's lifestyle
1885871;1546966759;asciilifeform;hey, 'universal literacy'(tm)(r), neh
1885872;1546966771;mircea_popescu;"Edward Bernard Peter Buckmelter began his career as a fashion model in Europe" keks.
1885873;1546966788;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you may think what you wish ; i've seen the fetards and i know better.
1885874;1546966815;asciilifeform;no i get
1885875;1546966816;mircea_popescu;the odds a 20something ~black~ ~male~ actually keeping a journal are 10ppm or so ; having the capacity to even in principle do so 0.1% sorta deal
1885876;1546966829;asciilifeform;it's a lul tho, the incas actually think they have 'literacy'
1885877;1546966845;asciilifeform;( 'can read stop sign? here's yer school diploma' )
1885878;1546966852;mircea_popescu;He formerly served on the steering committee of the Stonewall Democratic Club. He has donated "nearly $30,000" to Democratic candidates like Hillary Clinton, Ted Lieu, Pete Aguilar and Raja Krishnamoorthi as well as the Getting Things Done PAC. << dude give me a fucking break ?
1885879;1546966870;mircea_popescu;since when the fuck is 30k a sum of money.
1885880;1546966901;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they have this custom, iirc you can donate 1 orcbuck and still show up on 'list of donor'
1885881;1546966919;BingoBoingo;Other sources report ~500k still small. More interesting is the information brokerage he sold in his 30's.
1885882;1546966934;mircea_popescu;pretty ridoinculous all around.
1885883;1546966936;mircea_popescu;aaanyways.
1885884;1546966957;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform my point is rather that the democrats ~are very fucking poor~.
1885885;1546966972;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: pretty sure most of their dough comes from bezos
1885886;1546966991;asciilifeform;( and saud et al )
1885887;1546966997;mircea_popescu;precisely the "russian oligarchs" pseudo-economic model, yes.
1885888;1546967026;BingoBoingo;Except cut a couple figures off for the US version
1885889;1546967053;mircea_popescu;somehow this doesn't bother them, "hey, our entire understanding of money is, let's get some schmuck a bunch of taxchest so he can http://trilema.com/2012/dan-voiculescu-acest-gunoi-abject/ all over."
1885890;1546967067;BingoBoingo;Anyways, it seems the reason he didn't pile up 2 dozen stiffs over the years is that same poverty
1885891;1546967301;mircea_popescu;yeah, they ~party~ ie, don't keep a ready supply of the stuff (chemicals, biologicals) for whenever feel like, but rather whenever the "pipe" leaks something run out and buy some of each, twice a eyar or w/e.
1885892;1546967344;mircea_popescu;the unsteady approach being in itself a great catalyst of both the paroxistic problem encountered and the incapacity for management displayed.
1885893;1546967457;mircea_popescu;(that article, btw, remarkable because i told ro bezos "Si, draga Varanule, nu-i clar ca mai ai cinci ani" ie, "dear reptile, it's not clear you have five years left" in 2012 -- by 2014 he was in jail. because hey, mp is right now and again accidentally which is to say 1024/1024 occurences on his blog etc etc)
1885894;1546967466;BingoBoingo;Well, middle class fellow constantly held up by his peers as a party elite
1885895;1546967467;asciilifeform;it's how they od, also
1885896;1546967481;asciilifeform;( observe, goering -- morphinist from ww1 to '45, and never od )
1885897;1546967512;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: was that the ro berezovsky or who
1885898;1546967560;mircea_popescu;just about yeah. dood ran off with the commies accounts receivable in 1989, so that isarescu was stuck inventing acreditives for fuel ships to unload rather than leave that winter.
1885899;1546967587;mircea_popescu;that was something else, that january.
1885900;1546968221;mircea_popescu;anyway, twas a mere coupla billion. which, at the time, was an IMMENSE sum, that ceausescu had gathered together over decades of hard fucking work for his 20mn slavecrop.
1885901;1546968250;mircea_popescu;now it's like... hey, remember when bitcoin had JUST breached 1k and "mp is a billionaire" still "controversial" / difficult to swallow for the tards talking ?
1885902;1546968397;mircea_popescu;it's one hell of an object to contemplate, this evolution, for someone who was there in the 80s. "you mean every penny saved off every old schmuck that died in soviet-style economical health care system / every bled out 1950s style (in the us, heh, http://trilema.com/2009/comunismul-capitalismul-si-oprimarea-femeii/#selection-71.0-71.8 ) woman because contraceptives cost money whereas her slavespawn is worth money, ALL THAT,
1885903;1546968397;mircea_popescu;every night spent in the cold to "save fuel" by whole neighbourhoods, the inaccessible meat or bananas or whatever -- ALL OF IT!!! went into one "humongous" pile of "the people's wealth" that was, looking in own pockets, not retrospectively that worth the mention ?
1885904;1546968480;mircea_popescu;what the fuck more is there, if this dun suffice re vanitas vanitatum what does.
1885905;1546968664;mircea_popescu;alas, poor yorick. i knew him, horatio...
1885906;1546968667;*;mircea_popescu shall bbl.
1885907;1546970746;asciilifeform;it's exactly scale-model ver of the ru 'privatization' afaik.
1885908;1546970792;asciilifeform;( and for all i know, ro actually involved moar 'turkeydollar', as by mircea_popescu's and other accts was 'tighter ship' )
1885909;1546972323;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in paleo-entomology, https://archive.ph/ot5UK#selection-6697.0-6705.198
1885910;1546972352;asciilifeform;'There were people working behind the scenes trying to get the Symbolics VLM stuff legitimately released in some way to the hobbyist community - and this is likely to throw a wrench into that effort'
1885911;1546972477;asciilifeform;( 11 yr.-vintage wank re asciilifeform's orig warez link )
1885912;1546972568;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-08#1885903 << 'pile' wento to washington/eurpoistan coffers, kept the reich going 30yrs past its expiration date
1885913;1546972568;a111;Logged on 2019-01-08 17:26 mircea_popescu: every night spent in the cold to "save fuel" by whole neighbourhoods, the inaccessible meat or bananas or whatever -- ALL OF IT!!! went into one "humongous" pile of "the people's wealth" that was, looking in own pockets, not retrospectively that worth the mention ?
1885914;1546973748;mircea_popescu;in other sad lulz : etsy moved into the new york building where a scottish immigrant invented the prefab packaging box during the gilded age. who knows, maybe it rubs off ? maybe perhaps http://trilema.com/2016/the-%d0%ba%d0%b2%d0%b0%d1%81-bdsm-party/#comment-118604 ?
1885915;1546973843;asciilifeform;and hey, iirc google (or was it crapple?) occupies the old sgi campus
1885916;1546973847;asciilifeform;similar
1885917;1546973930;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1885918;1546973955;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in the 'man alone' dept, http://interim.mntmn.com
1885919;1546973975;asciilifeform;( nfi what happened to it after '15 , but sorta terrydavis-flavour )
1885920;1546981264;asciilifeform;in other quasi-newz, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=55&cpage=1#comment-19773
1885921;1546981311;asciilifeform;( and it aint a lie, i studied the burroughs arch, indeed was non-overflowistic iron )
1885922;1546987820;feedbot;http://bimbo.club/2019/01/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-january-february-and-march-1714-part-iii/ << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of January, February and March, 1714 - Part III.
1885923;1546992170;lobbes;!!v 0A8DFF73C1807887EABEF77020C257A596B3ECB7F244BB74215588B419EF9D29
1885924;1546992175;deedbot;Invoiced BingoBoingo 0.14 << Auction# 1033: 500 wired filthy fiats for 140mn ecu
1885925;1546992737;mircea_popescu;let's then put the more useful part in teh archive hopper : https://archive.org/stream/bitsavers_burroughsBkComputerSystemOrganizationTheB5700B6700_10821314/Organick_Computer_System_Organization_The_B5700_B6700_Series_1973_djvu.txt
1885926;1546992755;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lol, ~whole thing is diagrams
1885927;1546992762;asciilifeform;it aint edible this way.
1885928;1546992769;mircea_popescu;ah
1885929;1546992770;mircea_popescu;tsk.
1885930;1546992782;asciilifeform;sorta why archaeology is hard
1885931;1546992789;asciilifeform;shit aint searchable/txtable.
1885932;1546992806;mircea_popescu;cuz erryone gotta be spashul, come up with diagrams. text not good anymore etc.
1885933;1546992819;asciilifeform;eh it's a , what, 1960s manuscript.
1885934;1546992826;mircea_popescu;i'm just bitter.
1885935;1546992829;asciilifeform;next can complain that newton didn't put out 7bit ascii.
1885936;1546992838;mircea_popescu;i can, and i do.
1885937;1546993173;BingoBoingo;!!v 069163137FC5BE03C43D22E16938F9670CBCF86D92B8B580CF13C01C3365AA3E
1885938;1546993177;deedbot;BingoBoingo paid lobbes invoice 2
1885939;1546993190;asciilifeform;in other noose, constant-time stein-gcd aint so bad, 1msec (2048bit operands) , 6msec (4096bit) , 21msec (8192bit), 81msec (16384bit)
1885940;1546993261;asciilifeform;incidentally, whether it is possible to gcd arbitrary ints in non-quadratic time, is an open problem in numtheory
1885941;1546993288;BingoBoingo;ty lobbes
1885942;1546993290;asciilifeform;( afaik nobody ever proved that you couldn't, and the nonconstanttime lehmer and variations run in ~O(n) for ~all inputs )
1885943;1546993306;asciilifeform;the catch is that ~all != all.
1885944;1546993670;asciilifeform;on a box with 1 FG, the wait for a random fillup of a e.g. 2048bit reg, i suspect dwarfs the runtime of stein (and possibly even of m-r, dunno yet)
1885945;1546993789;asciilifeform;let's say yer baking one of the p, q of a 4096bit rsa mod. it needs 2048bit , i.e. 256byte of FG. a standard FG at room temp shits out 7kByte/s. therefore 256 / (7 x 1024) ~= 0.0357 sec., for a fillup of candidate register.
1885946;1546993864;asciilifeform;if primality test ( which consists of GCD ~and~ m-r, in order to constant-time ) does not exceed 0.0356sec, then on machine with 1 FG it can be considered that the FG is the limiting reactant.
1885947;1546993870;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu diana_coman et al ^
1885948;1546993903;asciilifeform;on a machine with multiple FG harnessed together, divide the figure by the # of FG in use.
1885949;1546994037;asciilifeform;( all of this assumes that nothing is parallelized. asciilifeform in particular does not like parallelized subcomponents in rsatron, if it can be avoided , tho there aint anyffin wrong with running ~multiple~ rsatrons , on diff inputs, in parallel , if iron is available )
1885950;1546994137;asciilifeform;nao, philosophical q : does one actually want to gcd + m-r always ? or is it acceptable to reject input after failed gcd litmus, and only ~then~ m-r .
1885951;1546994148;asciilifeform;cuz in the former case, there aint actually any point to gcd.
1885952;1546994178;asciilifeform;( afaik there are no integers that are divisible by small prime (such as will fit in the primorial) and fail ~any~ number of m-r shots.
1885953;1546994180;asciilifeform; )
1885954;1546994441;asciilifeform;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/TkmoM/?raw=true << sneak peek of constant-time stein. ( afaik there isn't one anywhere else on the net, funnily enuff. )
1885955;1546994469;mircea_popescu;the whole idea of prior gcd was to save on rm time.
1885956;1546994475;asciilifeform;right
1885957;1546994476;mircea_popescu;if it doesn't save any time it's not worth having
1885958;1546994504;asciilifeform;well at least not in the initial sieve ( one might still want it for e.g. pocklington's test )
1885959;1546994521;mircea_popescu;something like that.
1885960;1546994540;asciilifeform;i'd be satisfied with gcd as initial sieve (given that i have one that dun leak anyffin) ~followed~ by m-r.
1885961;1546994590;mircea_popescu;i don't see the point.
1885962;1546994631;asciilifeform;of what ? that's the obv. version ( get from rng, until gcd shows that no small factors, and then m-r )
1885963;1546994644;asciilifeform;i.e. to save on r-m time.
1885964;1546994707;asciilifeform;my observation was that on a box with 1 FG, the latter will almost certainly be the limiting reactant in prime-baking.
1885965;1546994854;asciilifeform;( and that on iron where m-r ends up taking substantially less time than FG takes to fill up candidate reg, there may not be a point to pre-sieving )
1885966;1546994877;asciilifeform;i dun have the m-r yet, so cannot give the equation quite yet.
1885967;1546994942;asciilifeform;the interesting thing about m-r however, is that it can make use of any available cpu given to it, to produce smaller probability of death
1885968;1546994973;asciilifeform;so depending on how many m-r shots you want, it can make sense to pre-sieve, to give m-r moar shots.
1885969;1546995047;asciilifeform;grr, moar complicated than i initially pictured, because m-r ~also~ demands rng
1885970;1546995064;asciilifeform;i'ma come back to this binomial once i have the m-r.
1885971;1546995265;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform IF rm doesn't take much time, THEN i don't see the point of doing any gcd. because r-m is a complete test for what we need, and gcd is not.
1885972;1546995272;asciilifeform;right
1885973;1546995292;mircea_popescu;why overload the machinery with unreliable testing.
1885974;1546995303;asciilifeform;how 'many r-m shots' is a free variable tho.
1885975;1546995324;mircea_popescu;gcding small primes doesn't reduce the m-r constant.
1885976;1546995347;asciilifeform;it potentially frees up cpu for moar shots of m-r, was the idea
1885977;1546995391;mircea_popescu;what does ? not bothering to gcd ?
1885978;1546995394;asciilifeform;no
1885979;1546995396;asciilifeform;the opposite
1885980;1546995403;asciilifeform;~doing~ the gcd pre-sieve
1885981;1546995404;mircea_popescu;...
1885982;1546995412;asciilifeform;then you only m-r on inputs that already passed gcd
1885983;1546995418;mircea_popescu;the count of m-r shots is established on mathematical not circumstancial grounds.
1885984;1546995422;mircea_popescu;dude...
1885985;1546995424;asciilifeform;the ~minimal~ count
1885986;1546995431;mircea_popescu;this discussion is broken.
1885987;1546995541;asciilifeform;let's spell out the algo. 1. reg := read_from_fg(2048bits). 2. l = gcd(reg, primorial) 3. if l != 1, goto 1 4. mr = m-r(reg, shots) 5. if mr != true, goto 1. 6. reg is probabilistically-prime .
1885988;1546995555;asciilifeform;this is the 'pre-sieve' variant contemplated.
1885989;1546995617;asciilifeform;nao, on a machine with 1 FG, step 1 takes ~36msec. every time.
1885990;1546995658;asciilifeform;step 2 takes ~1msec (on asciilifeform's aged box, and less elsewhere.)
1885991;1546995710;asciilifeform;steps 3, 5, 6 take ~0. step 4 takes a certain yet-unknown time, which is a function of width(reg) and shots.
1885992;1546995739;mircea_popescu;right, which is precisely what makes it a discussion about nothing.
1885993;1546995764;mircea_popescu;IF 4 takes too little to bother, 2-3 aren't worth doing ; otherwise, otherwise.
1885994;1546995768;asciilifeform;i dun have the necessary figure yet. hence 'i'ma come back'.
1885995;1546995777;mircea_popescu;this is exactlyu how things stood 50 lines ~before~, also.
1885996;1546995852;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i not only gotta write proggy, but to make sure that it makes sense to people
1885997;1546995894;mircea_popescu;in other news, reading old logs is something else, my the snr has changed. http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-18#565157 << back in 2014 dorky kids still thought "putin" is how you say "cool". in the intervening years -- they, changed not at all. everything around them...
1885998;1546995894;a111;Logged on 2014-03-18 09:39 LordPutin: what do you mean they haven't? Are they facing legalaction?
1885999;1546996018;*;asciilifeform finds good % of the 2014-prior l0gz to be indigestible. (tho regularly goes to read'em anyway)
1886000;1546996072;mod6;evenin'
1886001;1546996079;mircea_popescu;yeah, something else.
1886002;1546996084;asciilifeform;might be interesting ( phf? ) to have a filter toggle that only shows people who are still alive
1886003;1546996101;mircea_popescu;nah.
1886004;1546996110;asciilifeform;( i find what e.g. mircea_popescu said in 2014 , interesting, but not xyzputin3333 )
1886005;1546996127;mircea_popescu;it's still the context. 2014 mp actually talked to ~those~ dorks.
1886006;1546996134;asciilifeform;tru
1886007;1546996144;asciilifeform;tho not only ( also talked to ben_vulpes and other folx who tuned in prior to asciilifeform )
1886008;1546996145;mircea_popescu;it'd be nice if this is how it worked, "lenin without the nieces". but historically...
1886009;1546996193;asciilifeform;wb mod6
1886010;1546996267;mod6;thx!
1886011;1546996300;*;mod6 has been working on the big blog post that outlines my work to create the keccak regrind for trb.  
1886012;1546996347;asciilifeform;mod6: at the risk of sounding like mircea_popescu in earlier thread -- why is this a mega-project ? i reground ffa to keccak in about 10minute (after getting hold of a working keccak-vtron)
1886013;1546996376;asciilifeform;trb has , what, 3x the # of patches, so it'll take you 30m at most.
1886014;1546996432;asciilifeform;or do i misread, and mod6 already reground, and writing re how.
1886015;1546996512;*;asciilifeform brb,meat
1886016;1546996516;mod6;Yeah, have already reground, indeed.  This is a write up of how I did this.
1886017;1546996533;mircea_popescu;pretty cool
1886018;1546996564;mod6;And I think that makes sense, this isn't my personal project.  How this work was done for the foundation should be a public facing thing, and reviewed by people before vpatches published.
1886019;1546996587;mircea_popescu;you always wrote quite excellent / delightfully complete such recipes.
1886020;1546996618;mod6;Thanks mircea_popescu, I appreciate that.
1886021;1546996864;asciilifeform;neato  mod6 , i look fwd to reading
1886022;1546996972;mod6;*nod*  I appreciate that asciilifeform, your eyes on such things always are a Good Thing.  Not long after I post it, I'll be looking for people to help test the updated HOWTO guide too if anyone feels so inclined.  (Please reach out if interested.)
1886023;1546997321;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-18#565557 << in lulzy 2014isms
1886024;1546997321;a111;Logged on 2014-03-18 16:00 benkay: gpg is not even necessary for wot participation, you should know.
1886025;1546998346;BingoBoingo;Well, in 2014 the screws hadn't much been turned at all
1886026;1546998362;BingoBoingo;gribble still "worked" for some definitions of work
1886027;1546998591;mircea_popescu;aha.
1886028;1547001885;lobbes;BingoBoingo: yw
1886029;1547001927;lobbes;wb mod6. I also look forward to reading your keccak regrind post (hopefully I can sponge some useful info)
1886030;1547004767;mod6;:]  Thank you lobbes.
1886031;1547005408;feedbot;http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/01/initial-cuntoo-testing/ << lobbesblog -- Initial Cuntoo Testing
1886032;1547007169;trinque;lobbes: why didn't you read the script..
1886033;1547007188;trinque;it didn't set a password on root. it asked you what user you wanted to create.
1886034;1547007372;mircea_popescu;this is cute.
1886035;1547007781;lobbes;trinque: fair enough, but then I should be able to login with that user right? Or at least chrooting in and setting the root password should've worked (I'd imagine)
1886036;1547007994;*;lobbes goes to read scripts properly this time
1886037;1547008640;trinque;I recommend you read it, understand what it's doing, and then talk about it from knowledge of substance rather than knowledge of surface.
1886038;1547008672;trinque;it's not as if the script's setting anyone's password on anything; it's just calling the util that does.
1886039;1547008711;trinque;also glad to see it getting used!
1886040;1547008761;trinque;I'm still gunning after the nondeterminism in the genesis.
1886041;1547009635;hanbot;billymg, phf: in billymg's latest mp-wp vpatch (http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885285), i see the old "\ No newline at end of file" spew on two of the touched files (was symptom of bug last yr: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-25#1786014). still indicative of proablem with presser/patch?
1886042;1547009635;a111;Logged on 2019-01-07 04:31 billymg: hanbot: i put together a patch for the svg links mentioned earlier: http://billymg.com/2019/01/mp-wp-vpatch-update-internal-image-references-to-point-to-svg-extensions/
1886043;1547009635;a111;Logged on 2018-02-25 19:25 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-25#1785986 << i thought that it was just a helpful warning, but upon reflection i realized that this is actually a bug. investigating it further i took a wrong direction on a diff's command line flag switch, and as it stands if you see this warning it
1886044;1547009654;hanbot;billymg nice work btw, am ready to sign once above is cleared up
1886045;1547009662;lobbes;trinque: I agree that I could use a more substantive grasp on the script as a whole (and will indeed study moar), however I want to say I'm at least understanding the bit in "create_user.sh" where it calls useradd and passwd, and then adds the $USER to etc/sudoers. I'm just missing -why- the user/password I set through useradd/passwd wasn't working when trying to login. Probably something elementary
1886046;1547009668;lobbes;that's under my nose..
1886047;1547009843;trinque;you could've like, mistyped it, maaan
1886048;1547010283;lobbes;hahaha
1886049;1547010351;lobbes;but both times? (plus all dozen of my passwd resets?). Anyways, more study for me. But for now bed
1886050;1547010466;trinque;no idea, maybe passwd file manglement somehow. I'll look forward to what you find
1886051;1547010472;lobbes;ty for helping me think this through trinque (and for the work on cuntoo in general. I'ma keep at this thing)
1886052;1547010476;*;lobbes bbl
1886053;1547010492;trinque;sure thing
1886054;1547030473;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-09#1886041 << not a bug anymore (last year it was printed as a warning with no effects on the patch, effectively forcing newline always. i then adjusted vdiff to put correct "\ No newline.." directive, while vpatch knows to omit final newline when that directive is present)
1886055;1547030473;a111;Logged on 2019-01-09 04:53 hanbot: billymg, phf: in billymg's latest mp-wp vpatch (http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885285), i see the old "\ No newline at end of file" spew on two of the touched files (was symptom of bug last yr: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-25#1786014). still indicative of proablem with presser/patch?
1886056;1547032023;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-08#1885856 << i was having some trackpad issues in india (macbook's trackpad would stop working after about an hour outside), which made me contemplate problems of mousing at sea, which made me think that it's likely that someone makes rugged trackballs for industrial application. imagine my surprised when i discovered that someone actually does.
1886057;1547032023;a111;Logged on 2019-01-08 16:48 asciilifeform: i dunno how phf ended up into it tho, iirc he dun cad
1886058;1547032141;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-08#1885844 << you can also switch between three acceleration modes by, i believe, holding middle button and clicking right button (or similar, should be in the manual)
1886059;1547032141;a111;Logged on 2019-01-08 16:45 asciilifeform: in other esoterica, on gentoo 'xinput' dumps list of mice, and then 'xinput --set-prop yermousenumber 269 -1' switches off mouse-acceleration. ( possibly phf already knew this, but gives 9000x moar usable roller )
1886060;1547032493;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-06#1885092 << i have a couple and the first one i bought i think had that issue, i didn't bother replacing it, and after first cleaning i believe it went away, or possibly i stopped noticing. the one at my office definitely has clean clicks on all they keys, so if it bothers you perhaps worth replacing
1886061;1547032493;a111;Logged on 2019-01-06 15:36 asciilifeform: hey phf, does the left switch on your cst billiard ball seem muffled vs the right ? i can't decide if mine's defective or not, just noticed last night..
1886062;1547040077;mircea_popescu;imagine my surprise << i can imagine!
1886063;1547042865;diana_coman;in other eulora-client headaches: to get the cpp client to use my ada lib (that I want to keep separate! away from cpp swamp!), it seems I need to make my lib "standalone encapsulated dynamic"
1886064;1547042877;diana_coman;can't make it static because then it doesn't link in the adainit, adafinal
1886065;1547042893;diana_coman;(those are needed to do the elaboration in ada so can't do without them either)
1886066;1547042921;diana_coman;with the standalone encapsulated dynamic lib approach, I got it to work
1886067;1547042922;mircea_popescu;da fuck is a "catamaran of butts in two boats" thingee.
1886068;1547043067;diana_coman;basically the only way available to make a non-ada-main do the ada elaboration
1886069;1547043119;diana_coman;the encapsulated part means it depends only on static libs at least (or so I read in the docs...)
1886070;1547043122;mircea_popescu;entirely new category for me. is it different from dynamic ?
1886071;1547043208;diana_coman;it has a donkey-horse as far as I can tell: a dynamic lib does not include all the code it requires so you'll need to further link /distribute stuff
1886072;1547043221;diana_coman;onth a static lib does not have the elaboration...
1886073;1547043247;mircea_popescu;why not ?
1886074;1547043260;mircea_popescu;elaboration ~= cpp.init etc right ?
1886075;1547043276;diana_coman;my trajectory in hitting walls on this was precisely that: make it static -> surprise, no adainit exported/included, checked the .a file and everything, went nuts; make it dynamic -> ugh, need -lgnat and whatnot; rtfm again and again, there is this calo-magar
1886076;1547043301;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, no, it's an ada thing, nothing to do with cpp precisely
1886077;1547043348;mircea_popescu;are we thus the first to try and call an ada library from a c main ?
1886078;1547043395;diana_coman;no; the "way" to do that is meant to be precisely this standalone thingie
1886079;1547043417;diana_coman;i.e. if you want to call ada from something-else main then you don't really have any choice that works other than this
1886080;1547043425;diana_coman;or at least none that I'm aware of
1886081;1547043463;mircea_popescu;so basically "the way to call ada from non-ada context is called 'standalone encapsulated dynamic' in ada" is the idea here ?
1886082;1547043469;diana_coman;exactly
1886083;1547043475;mircea_popescu;til.
1886084;1547043506;mircea_popescu;!#s standalone encapsulated dynamic
1886085;1547043507;a111;3 results for "standalone encapsulated dynamic", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=standalone%20encapsulated%20dynamic
1886086;1547043589;diana_coman;the log is our days' own encyclopedia really
1886087;1547044134;diana_coman;re ada elaboration since apparently it's not summarised in the logs as such: it's basically the code that runs *before* the main program starts and what it does is broadly initializing variables that the main program may expect to be able to access (e.g. "global" or in libs that are used) and running the "main" code (aka between begin and end of a package as opposed to that in procedures/functions) from units that are used
1886088;1547044163;diana_coman;a sort of "getting everything ready" for the program to run
1886089;1547044240;mircea_popescu;right.
1886090;1547044246;diana_coman;as it is specific to ada, a non-ada main has no idea (nor does it care) about it and therefore won't do it automatically; the only way to have it done is to call explicitly the "init" procedure for the Ada unit that is to be used; and the only way to *have* such an init procedure seems to be the standalone lib thing
1886091;1547044258;diana_coman;i.e. have it as a procedure, exposed and accessible from cpp
1886092;1547044399;mircea_popescu;aha
1886093;1547045384;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/i-think-it-might-be-the-case-im-becoming-pretentious/ << Trilema -- I think it might be the case I'm becoming pretentious.
1886094;1547046376;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-09#1886060 << ah ty phf , precisely what i wanted to learn
1886095;1547046376;a111;Logged on 2019-01-09 11:14 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-06#1885092 << i have a couple and the first one i bought i think had that issue, i didn't bother replacing it, and after first cleaning i believe it went away, or possibly i stopped noticing. the one at my office definitely has clean clicks on all they keys, so if it bothers you perhaps worth replacing
1886096;1547046478;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-09#1886058 << i set mine to max when i uncrated it, but noticed that 'overshoots'. turned out, they aint acceleration modes, but pulses-per-radian, and http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-08#1885844 actually made it feel proper (i.e. can turn the roller 2pi, and then -2pi, and come to same pixel )
1886097;1547046478;a111;Logged on 2019-01-09 11:09 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-08#1885844 << you can also switch between three acceleration modes by, i believe, holding middle button and clicking right button (or similar, should be in the manual)
1886098;1547046478;a111;Logged on 2019-01-08 16:45 asciilifeform: in other esoterica, on gentoo 'xinput' dumps list of mice, and then 'xinput --set-prop yermousenumber 269 -1' switches off mouse-acceleration. ( possibly phf already knew this, but gives 9000x moar usable roller )
1886099;1547046632;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-09#1886065 << hmm diana_coman , what piece in your proggy actually uses elaboration ? ( is it the tasking ? )
1886100;1547046632;a111;Logged on 2019-01-09 14:08 diana_coman: (those are needed to do the elaboration in ada so can't do without them either)
1886101;1547046667;asciilifeform;( mine has no elaboration . but i escaped using all sortsa things )
1886102;1547046816;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-09#1886056 << i tried and failed to find & buy whatever it is they make for the sea ( why settle for konsoomer plastic ) but no dice, it aint gettable anywhere
1886103;1547046816;a111;Logged on 2019-01-09 11:07 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-08#1885856 << i was having some trackpad issues in india (macbook's trackpad would stop working after about an hour outside), which made me contemplate problems of mousing at sea, which made me think that it's likely that someone makes rugged trackballs for industrial application. imagine my surprised when i discovered that someone actually does.
1886104;1547046963;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-09#1886064 << iirc ave1 found how to expose the init knob explicitly. you may want to try his method
1886105;1547046963;a111;Logged on 2019-01-09 14:07 diana_coman: can't make it static because then it doesn't link in the adainit, adafinal
1886106;1547047387;asciilifeform;guten morgen, Mocky
1886107;1547047405;Mocky;good morning
1886108;1547047554;Mocky;how goes ch 15 asciilifeform ?
1886109;1547047584;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2019/i-think-it-might-be-the-case-im-becoming-pretentious/#comment-127374
1886110;1547047596;asciilifeform;Mocky: proggy written, nao writin' proof
1886111;1547047639;asciilifeform;Mocky: ( yes stein is a pretty simple item, quite unlike e.g. barrett, but still gotta give pedantic convergence proof for it )
1886112;1547047713;asciilifeform;Mocky: ch16 will be about m-r .
1886113;1547048192;asciilifeform;last night i re-read diana_coman's piece on m-r , it is interesting just how much sweat diana_coman had to put in simply on account of koch gnarl
1886114;1547048601;*;asciilifeform brb,teatime
1886115;1547049409;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/01/lone-university-employed-sokal-squared-author-faces-sanctions-as-apparently-academic-journal-editors-are-uninformed-human-research-subjects-and-not-human-spam-filters/ << Qntra -- Lone University Employed 'Sokal Squared' Author Faces Sanctions As Apparently Academic Journal Editors Are 'Uninformed Human Research Subjects' And Not Human Spam Filters
1886116;1547049656;diana_coman;asciilifeform, yes, it's the tasking re http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-09#1886099
1886117;1547049656;a111;Logged on 2019-01-09 15:10 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-09#1886065 << hmm diana_coman , what piece in your proggy actually uses elaboration ? ( is it the tasking ? )
1886118;1547049921;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-09#1886104 -> I seem to have missed this; ave1, did you find a way to expose the adainit for static libs?
1886119;1547049921;a111;Logged on 2019-01-09 15:16 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-09#1886064 << iirc ave1 found how to expose the init knob explicitly. you may want to try his method
1886120;1547050387;mircea_popescu;keks, they finally found the "legalaction" way to plug the femtard "scholar" hole ?
1886121;1547050398;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform answered!
1886122;1547051898;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i suspect that even if you get the thing to properly link, you will discover new headaches on acct of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-06#1885177 . really imho proggy that has ada tasks oughta have ada main , and (if must) call static cpp turdola, not vice-versa
1886123;1547051898;a111;Logged on 2019-01-06 17:28 asciilifeform: the 1st step to adaizing a cpp turd is to remove the cpp threadisms, they will not only not work with ada's sane tasking but actually destroy the guarantees of the latter
1886124;1547051971;asciilifeform;cuz in the vice-versa variant, what you'll have is ~two~ threading systems that dun know about one another, and the shit one (cpp) doesn't have any concept of sane locks etc
1886125;1547052115;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: hey, if microshit can have weev jailed for munging URLs, why not acade-microshit and some other d00d , similarly
1886126;1547052281;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform consider the problem at hand : there's 200k loc in a hairball currently.
1886127;1547052290;asciilifeform;oh i recall
1886128;1547052292;asciilifeform;it's a trb-like item
1886129;1547052295;mircea_popescu;right
1886130;1547052318;mircea_popescu;now obviously, "best place for ada code is in ada program". but the issue here is how to effectually corrupt, stupidity into sense.
1886131;1547052320;asciilifeform;i strongly suspect it'll have to be de-threaded to work reliably with ada-cum-tasks , sadly
1886132;1547052333;mircea_popescu;it's getting dethreaded, sure.
1886133;1547052337;asciilifeform;(i.e. cut into sections that can run reentrantly)
1886134;1547052347;mircea_popescu;fwiw, it uses threads for no practical purpose, just ot say it uses them
1886135;1547052354;asciilifeform;exactly like trb then
1886136;1547052359;mircea_popescu;quite, yes.
1886137;1547052377;*;asciilifeform has not studied mircea_popescu's proggy, of yet, doesn't dare to comment in detail
1886138;1547052393;mircea_popescu;in fact it's 100%  trb toy/"training muppet"
1886139;1547052408;mircea_popescu;"learn how to operate by cutting on this textile dolly"
1886140;1547052414;asciilifeform;aint there a multi-MB '3d' lib in there also ?
1886141;1547052426;mircea_popescu;but no ssl :D
1886142;1547052636;asciilifeform;lol prolly no bdb also
1886143;1547052805;mircea_popescu;mysql.
1886144;1547052813;mircea_popescu;~same, really.
1886145;1547052884;asciilifeform;hm it actually links in ~all~ of mysql ? or just has the typical 'connect to local instance' skin ?
1886146;1547052891;mircea_popescu;skin
1886147;1547052894;asciilifeform;aa
1886148;1547052898;asciilifeform;so like phuctor.
1886149;1547052922;mircea_popescu;nah, i'd hope phuctor's better interfaced.
1886150;1547052973;asciilifeform;( phuctor connects to a local instance of postgres, so in that sense similar )
1886151;1547053036;asciilifeform;incidentally i cant think of any reason it wouldn't work exactly same with mysql, with the exception of where i dun yet know how to do the o(n log n) indices in mysql
1886152;1547053213;asciilifeform;re: ada elaboration, i found http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741485 item useful when i was last puzzling over subj
1886153;1547053213;a111;Logged on 2017-11-20 23:36 asciilifeform: meanwhile, from the dept of interesting but dead, http://adagin.blogspot.com
1886154;1547053248;asciilifeform;( pretty lively pedagogy, too, e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741487 )
1886155;1547053248;a111;Logged on 2017-11-20 23:38 asciilifeform: typical, http://adagin.blogspot.com/2013/12/ada-2005-access-types-part-i.html , lively :   type Hooker_Array is array (Positive range <>) of Hooker_Class_Ptr;  procedure Violate_Bodies (x : Hooker_Array); ... 'We want to track all our victims, presumably in some sort of set or container, so that we might disinter them later as needed.  Similarly, we might also want to do strange, awful things with the dead bodies of the hookers.'
1886156;1547053507;mircea_popescu;"This is neatly decomposed (ha!) into a class hierarchy:" << guy's pretty cool.
1886157;1547053547;asciilifeform;sadly vanished in '15
1886158;1547053580;asciilifeform;i suspect he was 'old guard' (ada greybeard) and the bottle took its toll.
1886159;1547053596;mircea_popescu;"But the type conversion rules for pointers are not so easily duped; there are no "classwide pointers" (thought perhaps life would be different if there were!). " << motherfucker on a stick, i want "classwide pointers" ie, "this door ambiguously links to any of the mcdonalds not any specific one" as i want to wake up to being assfucked by chtulhu.
1886160;1547053598;mircea_popescu;what the fuck.
1886161;1547053606;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: hey, if microshit can have weev jailed for munging URLs, why not acade-microshit and some other d00d , similarly << There is still lulz to play out. He's being prosecuted in university research court (similar to University title ix court), unlikely to be fired, but if he is the bar will be lowered. Maybe to the point we can have a fire PSU faculty bot.
1886162;1547053608;mircea_popescu;am i the only one to whom this seems like going the exact wrong fucking way ?
1886163;1547053614;mircea_popescu;and what fucking "object oriented"
1886164;1547053652;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: sorta why i suspect 'greybeard'. prolly he also had a 200kloc (or 2e6...) that had to be dealt with as-is, pointerola & all.
1886165;1547053682;asciilifeform;( observe, the only 'access pointer' in ffa is where it sucks in cmdline args from unix )
1886166;1547053767;asciilifeform;the world of the folx who wrote ada for moneys in the saeculum, is not , as i gather, a happy place. sorta why asciilifeform had to learn buncha things from 1st principles, rather than by reading their ugh
1886167;1547053791;mircea_popescu;this guy's write-up makes me want to ban ada.
1886168;1547053818;asciilifeform;i have even moar wtf items in my collection.
1886169;1547053902;asciilifeform;( observe that ch1 ffa actually starts out by http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1913#selection-337.0-1150.0 , i.e. banning 90% of ada.. why didja suppose this was. )
1886170;1547054046;asciilifeform;'new shithouse is built from the rubble of the old, not imported brick' or how did lenin put it.
1886171;1547054377;asciilifeform;phunphakt: in ye olde bolixtron, there is an ada ( and fortran! ) compiler. (however asciilifeform has not tried either item, beyond 'hello world' )
1886172;1547054424;asciilifeform;it , if one is to believe the docs, implements the '83 standard.
1886173;1547054440;asciilifeform;( the fortran - f77 )
1886174;1547054473;*;asciilifeform actually considered a fortran ffa, in '16
1886175;1547054736;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-09#1886159 -> well yes, trying to "dupe" the rules can't be anything other than trying to corrupt the thing back into what-we-know (and possibly like or not but at least are used to it)
1886176;1547054736;a111;Logged on 2019-01-09 17:06 mircea_popescu: "But the type conversion rules for pointers are not so easily duped; there are no "classwide pointers" (thought perhaps life would be different if there were!). " << motherfucker on a stick, i want "classwide pointers" ie, "this door ambiguously links to any of the mcdonalds not any specific one" as i want to wake up to being assfucked by chtulhu.
1886177;1547058155;ave1;hmm I was talking to feedbot to up myself
1886178;1547058161;ave1;diana_coman, look into https://www.cs.fsu.edu/~baker/ada/gnat/html/gnat_ugn_5.html#SEC73
1886179;1547058189;ave1;all these extra code generation in Ada is managed with gnatbind
1886180;1547058271;asciilifeform;wb ave1
1886181;1547058303;diana_coman;ave1, hm, I did look in there when I made the first go aka I compiled step by step the whole thing; but I don't recollect any real alternative to the standalone lib if one wants to pack the code really
1886182;1547058316;diana_coman;I'll have another look at any rate, can't hurt
1886183;1547058381;ave1;I can do some experimentation, but this will take a bit longer (got to go now...)
1886184;1547058390;diana_coman;I suppose I can further look at what gprbuild does for standalone libs and then force it into what I want but ...
1886185;1547058401;diana_coman;ave1, it's not burning right now, no
1886186;1547061312;diana_coman;ffs jamfile shit: I did not have a space between lib name and ; so it...silently ignored it and ate my time grrrr
1886187;1547061331;diana_coman;if there was more need for hating jam, it's there
1886188;1547061413;asciilifeform;diana_coman: what is 'jam' ?
1886189;1547061472;diana_coman;yet another tool that "makes building simple" don't you know; eulora's client has a WHOLE pile of scripts on top of jam on top of autotools and all that
1886190;1547061508;asciilifeform;ugh
1886191;1547061513;diana_coman;for all my hate of them, atm they...build the whole mess of plugins and whatnots so sweeping them aside would take some effort, not insignificant
1886192;1547061529;diana_coman;yes, a ton of ugh
1886193;1547061536;asciilifeform;what's it do that gnumake, cmake, etc dun do ?
1886194;1547061575;asciilifeform;btw it is possible to build cpp with gnatmake, believe or not ( i only tried for simplest case, but does work )
1886195;1547061584;diana_coman;asciilifeform, I suppose www.perforce.com/documentation/jam-documentation will explain that in triplicate
1886196;1547061638;diana_coman;and yes, I'd much rather use gnatmake for the whole pile of shit but atm the idea was to focus on a *different* part of the shit, since there are so many and I'm only one
1886197;1547061652;asciilifeform;'Jam runs on UNIX, VMS, NT, OS/2, Mac OS X, and Mac MPW' << if troo, notbad at least in re portability
1886198;1547061682;diana_coman;myeah, that's part of the thing: as it is, it is at least tested that people managed to compile the whole thing on different platforms
1886199;1547061719;asciilifeform;i find it interesting just how many half-working substitutes for gnumake folx have written
1886200;1547061764;diana_coman;in the same vein of interesting as http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-09#1886113
1886201;1547061764;a111;Logged on 2019-01-09 15:36 asciilifeform: last night i re-read diana_coman's piece on m-r , it is interesting just how much sweat diana_coman had to put in simply on account of koch gnarl
1886202;1547062001;asciilifeform;there are so many and I'm only one << i admit that i'm a little curious why diana_coman & mircea_popescu dun enlist Mocky to carry on client dev -- but it's not my biz , if they dun feel like going into subj, i won't cry
1886203;1547062062;asciilifeform;( perhaps can assume either that Mocky could not stomach it, or charged toomuch )
1886204;1547062538;Mocky;asciilifeform, http://logs.bvulpes.com/eulora?d=2018-7-16#401001
1886205;1547062774;asciilifeform;aah
1886206;1547065595;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile in local news: Argentina ~30% poorer than last year in yet another metric https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/-desastre-y-fatal-temporada-en-punta-del-este-segun-comerciantes-201917204123
1886207;1547077630;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ftjam pretty much the standard alternative to mod6 style handmade .sh
1886208;1547077725;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i read the link from earlier, made sense
1886209;1547077735;asciilifeform;there's 9000 of these, 'cmake', 'bake', 'qtmake', etc
1886210;1547077768;mircea_popescu;yeah, but this one works. sorta like there's 5000 "operating systems", but we use cuntoo.
1886211;1547077829;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: does it work in that 'it worx, and 7 others previously barfed' or 'it was 1st i happened to try and it seems to work' ?
1886212;1547077936;mircea_popescu;the former, chet spent 3 months with this shit cca 2013
1886213;1547077979;asciilifeform;if mircea_popescu says -- i'll believe
1886214;1547078016;asciilifeform;in the past asciilifeform used ordinary gnumake for this kinda thing. but it usually resulted in 1000ln 'make'.
1886215;1547078023;mircea_popescu;yes well.
1886216;1547078057;asciilifeform;( aand on top of that, is victim of the faux-standardization pestilential in unixland )
1886217;1547078058;mircea_popescu;also, remarkably stable, i've not had to fiddle with the original ftjam, client compiles today same exact way it did back then. which...
1886218;1547078068;mircea_popescu;i know of no project that can say same over half decade.
1886219;1547078100;asciilifeform;if you never fiddled with the layout, why shouldn't it work
1886220;1547079168;mircea_popescu;client went through two major and a bunch of minor versions.
1886221;1547079182;mircea_popescu;was a point in iirc 2015 when it was "get new client or can't connect"
1886222;1547079467;mircea_popescu;nicoleci http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/VAX51/?raw=true
1886223;1547079760;asciilifeform;in other noose, asciilifeform made the unhappy discovery that shift-by-zero takes fewer cpu cycles on pretty much all x86 iron vs shift-by-1 .
1886224;1547079855;asciilifeform;this means not only slightly slower gcd than the draft posted earlier (it'll need a mux) but it also means that e.g. http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/hypertext/ch14/fz_qshft__adb.htm#111_14 was in fact leaking, albeit undetectable on the tests given in ch14, and will need mandatory HaveBarrelShifter = 0 (i.e. 5% or so penalty)
1886225;1547080187;asciilifeform;( and before anyone asks -- neither intel nor amd publish 'tick tables' the way they did in 1990s, and haven't for many yrs )
1886226;1547080465;asciilifeform;this appears to be the kind of boobytrap that can only be found empirically.
1886227;1547080501;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/01/systemd-journald-exploits-found-all-systemd-distros-affected/ << Qntra -- Systemd Journald Exploits Found  All Systemd Distros Affected
1886228;1547080826;*;asciilifeform found the shift booby by generating ridiculously long random inputs, with variety of hamming weight ranges, and plain old wallclock
1886229;1547081819;lobbes;!Xview 1035
1886230;1547081820;auctionbot;Buy order #  1035: 1500 Filthy Fiats, Wired, WU, or Moneygram Opened at: 400mn ecu Winning Bid: None [Closed]
1886231;1547081822;lobbes;auctionbot was down for ~9 hours today (back online now). I'm going to give a 100 ecu per auction hour credit to everyone who had auctions going during this downtime, since no one could put in bids during that time and I don't wanna charge fees for those hours. Thinking I'll make this standard policy going forward
1886232;1547083790;*;asciilifeform set up an experiment with variants of http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/RMcd3/?raw=true ; will report re same tomorrow
1886233;1547084809;*;asciilifeform let it go on 2 diff opterons and 2 intels
1886234;1547085132;asciilifeform;hm , prolly oughta test both left and right, and make the operand nonzero (in case the iron does 'clever' with zeros), so gotta redo..
1886235;1547085710;asciilifeform;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/7zNhD/?raw=true << the final ver., for the record.
1886236;1547088776;mircea_popescu;and today being january, let us celebrate the SECOND year yossi kreinin failed to engage the utter destruction of his inept nonsense found in http://trilema.com/2017/my-ai-problems-a-humble-confession/
1886237;1547088812;mircea_popescu;because hey, this is optional now, yossik is at liberty to redress his stupidity or not as he well pleases, there's no obligation my intellectual superiority creates for him or anything.
1886238;1547089828;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: hm what made you remember that d00d existed ?
1886239;1547089939;mircea_popescu;coincidentally dug up article for inquiring young minds.
1886240;1547090472;billymg;hanbot: thanks for checking it out, i'll take a look at the "no newline" issue and see if i can get rid of it
1886241;1547090678;billymg;i also noticed that the selection-magic.txt (which is to be renamed to selection-magic.php) ( http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/selection-magic.txt ) contains comments at the top marked with // that are not parsed as comments because they're outside the <script> block
1886242;1547090697;billymg;updated in my copy to wrap in <!-- -->
1886243;1547090740;billymg;wondering about proper V process though, this is back in the previous patch i published to add the text selection feature, does this mean regrind both?
1886244;1547090781;billymg;i mean, the second needs it now in any case for the "no newline" spew, but had that one been fine, what would've been preferred for remedying the one before it?
1886245;1547091586;mircea_popescu;billymg can just put a patch atop your tree.
1886246;1547092281;billymg;sounds good
1886247;1547093077;mircea_popescu;hey Mocky : i need a buncha noob clicks done in eulora ; can you spend a coupla hours one of these days ?
1886248;1547093724;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-10#1886234 << update : the 1e11-shot ver. reveals no significant avg. delta; rerunning overnight with 1e12.
1886249;1547093724;a111;Logged on 2019-01-10 01:52 asciilifeform: hm , prolly oughta test both left and right, and make the operand nonzero (in case the iron does 'clever' with zeros), so gotta redo..
1886250;1547093896;asciilifeform;btw the thing that set asciilifeform's ears standing originally, is that the gcd test battery appeared to give +/- 30% variant runtimes depending on hamming weights. but in 20 repeats of the trial set, the same thing showed up, and with no correlation to hamming weight. and a http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wherN/?raw=true ( soft barrelshifter ) version now ends up showing... same thing. i suspect that some peculiarity of the pipeline is
1886251;1547093897;asciilifeform; involved (i.e. interaction with other crapola running on the box) to produce random variance
1886252;1547093909;asciilifeform;thing is, this effect does not appear with e..g modexp, so i gotta find out where it comes from
1886253;1547093996;*;asciilifeform bbl,meat
1886254;1547095417;Mocky;mircea_popescu sure, no problem. I'll fire it up tomorrow, make sure I'm good to go.
1886255;1547095863;mircea_popescu;i was thinking more the weekend ?
1886256;1547124881;Mocky;weekend works
1886257;1547127853;asciilifeform;meanwhile, anticlimactic finish to last night's item -- no detectable pattern in shift timing, anywhere
1886258;1547127869;asciilifeform;and the orig. anomaly disappears on irons other than the test box
1886259;1547127878;asciilifeform;i suspect my hdd
1886260;1547127889;asciilifeform;(the test inputs are ~100MB ea.)
1886261;1547129317;asciilifeform;aaand to round off : it vanished on the test box also. culprit appears to have been a running raid-verify job...
1886262;1547129442;mircea_popescu;keks.
1886263;1547129448;asciilifeform;ikr?
1886264;1547129452;mircea_popescu;BAD TESTER ALF!
1886265;1547129476;asciilifeform;the ultimate tester would be a dos box
1886266;1547129485;asciilifeform;sorta 90% of the reason i want a dos gnat
1886267;1547129496;mircea_popescu;not bad yea
1886268;1547129509;asciilifeform;errywhere else there's a massive noise component
1886269;1547129664;asciilifeform;some time after i get ffa to field testing , i'ma dust off ave1's bare iron gnat and bake 'ffa os', will be ~same thing
1886270;1547129702;asciilifeform;( it dun use any osisms other than the cmdline args, which can be hardcoded for test runs; as for i/o, can be rs232, and guesswat, 'os' )
1886271;1547129749;asciilifeform;( recall that ffa dun use memory allocators , disk, etc )
1886272;1547129779;mircea_popescu;this is an idea.
1886273;1547129793;asciilifeform;pretty sure i mentioned it in the l0gz, it is old idea
1886274;1547129799;asciilifeform;but evidently moar needed than i prev. thought
1886275;1547142744;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/01/el-chapo-allegedly-used-voip-had-sysadmin-flipped-by-criminal-fbi/ << Qntra -- "El Chapo" Allegedly Used VOIP, Had Sysadmin Flipped By Criminal FBI
1886276;1547150429;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/01/as-yellow-jackets-continue-undermining-macron-despot-to-sign-treaty-futher-eroding-separation-between-france-and-germany/ << Qntra -- As Yellow Jackets Continue Undermining Macron, Despot To Sign Treaty Futher Eroding Separation Between France And Germany
1886277;1547150820;BingoBoingo;^ Turns out Germany's solution to gutting their Army is taking France's
1886278;1547159177;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile in local news (local enough asciilifeform walked by the location in question) https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/toma-de-rehen-en-una-peluqueria-de-pocitos-obligo-a-sitiar-la-zona-2019110143314
1886279;1547159294;BingoBoingo;And the local mooing about the incident for those desiring to calibrate their prisms http://archive.is/uY9xD
1886280;1547163335;feedbot;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2963 << Loper OS -- Finite Field Arithmetic. Chapter 15: Greatest Common Divisor.
1886281;1547163345;asciilifeform;^ mircea_popescu , diana_coman , et al ^
1886282;1547163426;asciilifeform;phf plox to snarf ch15.
1886283;1547164224;asciilifeform;next ch, will be m-r.
1886284;1547173541;feedbot;http://bingology.net/2019/01/11/more-lessons-learned-pizarro-entering-2019/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- More Lessons Learned - Pizarro Entering 2019
1886285;1547173569;*;BingoBoingo getting some sleep
1886286;1547180803;asciilifeform;meanwhile via #asciilifeform : http://btcinfo.sdf.org/blog/building-the-eulora-client-with-gentoo.html << apparently d00d cleanly baked client on cuntoo
1886287;1547191324;diana_coman;oh hey asciilifeform , that looks good!
1886288;1547191565;diana_coman;client did build previously on gentoo so yes, I'd expect it builds on cuntoo as well really
1886289;1547218378;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/01/us-profesional-organization-for-psychologists-condemns-masculinity-as-harmful/ << Qntra -- US Profesional Organization For Psychologists Condemns Masculinity As Harmful
1886290;1547218898;asciilifeform;diana_coman ( and mircea_popescu , when he wakes up ) -- do you have a position on http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2963#selection-2087.0-2115.72 ?
1886291;1547219086;asciilifeform;meanwhile, pehbot updated
1886292;1547219091;asciilifeform;!!up pehbot
1886293;1547219091;deedbot;pehbot voiced for 30 minutes.
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1886295;1547219122;pehbot;asciilifeform: 0000000000000000000000000003D29513C432BF1D2A8A0E47BFBDCF33649538
1886296;1547219131;diana_coman;asciilifeform, hm, I can't say that I have a very clear idea of ALL potential implications but atm I don't see some specific downside to that; I suppose the alternative would be to raise an error on gcd(0,0)?
1886297;1547219140;asciilifeform;diana_coman: correct
1886298;1547219152;asciilifeform;diana_coman: near as i can tell, nobody ever does tho
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1886301;1547219167;asciilifeform;!A .1.0G#
1886302;1547219168;pehbot;asciilifeform: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001
1886303;1547219170;asciilifeform;!A .0.0G#
1886304;1547219170;pehbot;asciilifeform: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
1886305;1547219179;diana_coman;myeah, that's not in itself a reason to not do it (if anything, it's the opposite really, given the usual "what everybody does"
1886306;1547219208;asciilifeform;diana_coman: correct. but i also did not 'ha! let's make it eggog cuz nobody did'
1886307;1547219220;asciilifeform;ideally would like to conceive of a justification for either setting.
1886308;1547219225;diana_coman;mathematically it does grate, yes
1886309;1547219250;diana_coman;is the performance penalty significant?
1886310;1547219266;asciilifeform;depends where used.
1886311;1547219317;asciilifeform;i'ma leave it permitted for nao, and if somebody has persuasive arg why to prohibit, will listen.
1886312;1547219326;diana_coman;other than that the "reason" I can see is that otherwise in principle you need an additional check each time you call gcd (i.e. to make sure you don't step even if once in a blue moon) on this particular rake
1886313;1547219332;asciilifeform;yes.
1886314;1547219370;asciilifeform;i sat down last night and tried to conceive a 'div0'-style situation where you 'bought own cross' as result of permitting gcd(0,0) to execute. but did not find one.
1886315;1547219416;diana_coman;I suppose only in some silly situation such as "let's take 2 numbers from user; compute gcd and then proceed to divide and print results"
1886316;1547219469;asciilifeform;rright but why wouldja do that.
1886317;1547219479;asciilifeform;if yer dividing, you gotta determine that it aint by 0.
1886318;1547219500;asciilifeform;e.g.,
1886319;1547219504;asciilifeform;!A .1.0/#
1886320;1547219504;pehbot;asciilifeform: EGGOG: Pos: 4: Division by Zero!
1886321;1547219525;diana_coman;well, because technically gcd is never 0, right?
1886322;1547219526;asciilifeform;!A .1.1.0M*
1886323;1547219527;pehbot;asciilifeform: EGGOG: Pos: 7: Division by Zero!
1886324;1547219530;asciilifeform;and so forth
1886325;1547219543;asciilifeform;diana_coman: indeed gcd aint ever legitimately 0.
1886326;1547219549;diana_coman;i.e. why would you check a gcd for not being 0 since it should never be 0
1886327;1547219550;diana_coman;so there
1886328;1547219630;asciilifeform;imho arg can be made for it being the gcd-invoker's responsibility to know what to do with the output
1886329;1547219663;asciilifeform;( and observe that all instances where we divide, we're doomed to check for 0 regardless )
1886330;1547219824;asciilifeform;in situation where cpu cost matters greatly, testing 1 register (output of gcd) for nullity is cheaper than testing two (its args)
1886331;1547219858;asciilifeform;possibly this is why it was traditionally permitted.
1886332;1547219878;asciilifeform;( tho it grates on me that i never found any coherent discussion of subj anywhere, yet )
1886333;1547219909;diana_coman;possibly; at the end of the day it's a choice and one can have gcd implemented one way or another, as long as the choice made is clearly stated on the tin
1886334;1547219934;asciilifeform;correct. hence why i decided subj is worth touching in the piece & in the l0gz.
1886335;1547219962;asciilifeform;it is also clearly stated in the proggy comments.
1886336;1547219991;asciilifeform;diana_coman: iirc gcd(0,0) is permitted in your sys also
1886337;1547219994;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-09#1886075 -> on additional digging, static lib apparently does have libnameinit so yest I was looking for the wrong thing
1886338;1547219994;a111;Logged on 2019-01-09 14:14 diana_coman: my trajectory in hitting walls on this was precisely that: make it static -> surprise, no adainit exported/included, checked the .a file and everything, went nuts; make it dynamic -> ugh, need -lgnat and whatnot; rtfm again and again, there is this calo-magar
1886339;1547220028;diana_coman;but now I'm confused on whether *that* is enough or not (standalone thingie claims it takes care of everything needed for elaboration, correctly)
1886340;1547220071;asciilifeform;diana_coman: if your 'main' is a c/cpp proggy , you gotta trigger the elaborator 'by hand', regardless of which type of lib your ada coad is in, afaik.
1886341;1547220107;diana_coman;asciilifeform, yes, but is the one generated for static lib the same? or wtf is with the encapsulated-shit then?
1886342;1547220130;diana_coman;because in the docs it's claimed that non-ada main should be with the encapsulated-lib version, ugh
1886343;1547220148;asciilifeform;last time i touched the subj with own hands, i concluded that elaborator isn't even permitted in static ada lib.
1886344;1547220160;asciilifeform;but i cannot yet say conclusively. diana_coman is at the bleeding edge of this q.
1886345;1547220173;diana_coman;so far it certainly feels like bleeding, dunno about edge
1886346;1547220218;asciilifeform;diana_coman: what i meant was, my proggy has no elaborator, and yours -- has, so i am not qualified to say 'here's how to fix elaborator in static lib' of yet.
1886347;1547220367;*;diana_coman goes to read some more and test even more
1886348;1547220436;*;asciilifeform goes to tea
1886349;1547225381;asciilifeform;diana_coman: if you're utterly stumped, i can allocate some cycles to the problem tomorrow -- with mircea_popescu's permission ( i swore to him that i will not embroil meself in matters euloric , recall )
1886350;1547225487;asciilifeform;... or i suppose if yer still stumped next friday night, then.
1886351;1547227434;asciilifeform;unrelatedly: diana_coman , were you ( or anyone else... ) ever able to derive a bound for 's' in m-r ? ( http://ossasepia.com/2017/12/28/eucrypt-chapter-3-miller-rabin-implementation/#selection-125.2765-125.2766 )
1886352;1547227465;asciilifeform;cuz without a bound, s is potentially ffawidth - 1 .
1886353;1547227516;asciilifeform;which means ugh, for e.g. 2048bit candidate being tested for primality in constant time, ~each~ witness needs 1 modexp and 2047 modsquares !
1886354;1547227677;asciilifeform;hrm , asciilifeform's 'wtf' to this was based on a backwards reading of his chalkboard. modsquares are fast.
1886355;1547227680;asciilifeform;so we dun actually care.
1886356;1547227716;asciilifeform;would still be handy if someone knew of a smaller bound for s, but not burning q.
1886357;1547227813;asciilifeform;btw per asciilifeform's chalkboard, the physical cost of constanttime m-r is ~equal to that of (2 modexps of the given width) x (number of witnesses) .
1886358;1547227882;asciilifeform;this means that the use of gcd litmus very muchly wins.
1886359;1547228023;asciilifeform;take for example diana_coman's system , where 16 witnesses are used. ( i'd use moar, but let's go with the example. ) so if we're generating 2048b primes (for 4096b rsa mod), per ch.14b timings on asciilifeform's iron this costs ~2.9s per modexp, and thereby ~93sec per m-r procedure.
1886360;1547228081;asciilifeform;whereas the gcd litmus ( gcd(candidate, primorial) ) costs 1ms .
1886361;1547228113;asciilifeform;anyway i'ma post the actual physical measurement once i have it, but i dun expect it will be far from this chalkboard figure.
1886362;1547228137;Mocky;is the number of witnesses to be a knob or fixed?
1886363;1547228150;asciilifeform;Mocky: what'd 'fixed' mean ?
1886364;1547228173;Mocky;hard coded
1886365;1547228182;asciilifeform;nope
1886366;1547228268;asciilifeform;per the ffa plan, 'P' command will take two numbers from the stack, a candidate integer and a witness. author of pcode tape determines how many witnesses to use, he iterates by generating witnesses and calling P repeatedly as many times as he wants
1886367;1547228310;asciilifeform;( in each invocation, P returns 1 if m-r didn't 'go bang' and a 0 if did. )
1886368;1547228340;asciilifeform;presently looping is prohibited in pcode, in later ch. will be introduced. (but i am spoiling things..)
1886369;1547228374;Mocky;right
1886370;1547228415;asciilifeform;this allows 'P' to be a constant-spacetime operation, and hands the decision of 'just how important to constant-time the whole prime generation' to the author of the tape.
1886371;1547228459;asciilifeform;( he can use 'G' as litmus, or not use, can use 16 witnesses or 666, etc, rather than being forced into a particular scheme )
1886372;1547228474;asciilifeform;see, i fucking hate 'magic numbers'.
1886373;1547228487;Mocky;indeed
1886374;1547228498;asciilifeform;the only 'magic number' in ffa is the concession that all FZ must be at least 256bits long
1886375;1547228524;asciilifeform;and this was forced by the irons ( it's evenly divisible by all known bus widths )
1886376;1547228916;asciilifeform;( re 'how many witnesses', see diana_coman's article, it reviews the necessary maffs, i.e. P(yer prime aint a prime and you die) == (1/4)^n, where n is # of witness )
1886377;1547229036;asciilifeform;observe that by this scheme, we also avoid hardcoding primorials for 'G' test. author of tape is responsible for including a primorial ~for his chosen ffawidth~ if he intends to use G litmusing.
1886378;1547229177;asciilifeform;consider from pov : there is no particular reason for enemy to know precisely ~how~ you baked the primes for yer privkey.
1886379;1547229315;asciilifeform;a 'graduate' of ffa (i.e. fella who ~read~ the thing, as it was intended to be read, and fit-in-head) will have no trouble writing his particular variant of correct prime generator for his particular type of key.
1886380;1547229347;asciilifeform;i'ma include a few obvious approaches as example tapes, but it is NOT the intention that anyone use'em as-found.
1886381;1547229485;asciilifeform;'peh' is intended as a working, weaponized demonstration of the 'specificity of diddling' principle. (but perhaps this was obvious to errybody.)
1886382;1547229753;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-11#1886349 -> better spent on ffa, surely; thanks for the offer anyway though!
1886383;1547229753;a111;Logged on 2019-01-11 16:49 asciilifeform: diana_coman: if you're utterly stumped, i can allocate some cycles to the problem tomorrow -- with mircea_popescu's permission ( i swore to him that i will not embroil meself in matters euloric , recall )
1886384;1547229809;diana_coman;so far I can tell that the static lib has the huge disadvantage that one needs then to link with it everything but the kitchen sink to bring in all it needs from ada runtime
1886385;1547229819;diana_coman;so that'd be at least the "encapsulated" part explained
1886386;1547229829;asciilifeform;diana_coman: plz dun see the orig statement as ' asciilifeform presumes that diana_coman is dummkopf and problem is trivial, asciilifeform can do it with 1 hand '. i simply dun like to see people sitting stuck, is all.
1886387;1547229983;asciilifeform;and ftr i'm surely doomed to run into diana_coman's puzzler myself, when i go to write a threaded proggy (e.g. adaized trb)
1886388;1547230036;diana_coman;asciilifeform, I know, no worries at all! onth I'm not going to *sit* stuck, no - digging at it
1886389;1547230047;asciilifeform;aite
1886390;1547234330;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in other lulz, http://koclab.org/ffa.html
1886391;1547234348;asciilifeform;( i dun have a trademark on the phrase, naturally, but still a lul )
1886392;1547234464;asciilifeform;http://www.reparaz.net/oscar/misc/dudect.html << elsewhere in heathendom.
1886393;1547235005;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/01/huawei-sales-director-arrested-in-poland-over-ambiguous-spying-charges/ << Qntra -- Huawei Sales Director Arrested In Poland Over Ambiguous Spying Charges
1886394;1547235021;asciilifeform;lol dafuq was he doing in the reich
1886395;1547235074;BingoBoingo;Selling
1886396;1547235425;*;asciilifeform pictures convo, 'hm we send the n-th d00d to trade with the natives' 'and..?' 'skull came back, cannibals ate' 'who wants to go next'
1886397;1547246555;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-11#1886376 << grr, oughta be 1/(4^n)
1886398;1547246555;a111;Logged on 2019-01-11 17:48 asciilifeform: ( re 'how many witnesses', see diana_coman's article, it reviews the necessary maffs, i.e. P(yer prime aint a prime and you die) == (1/4)^n, where n is # of witness )
1886399;1547246664;asciilifeform;err, nm, lol, they're same thing, asciilifeform prolly oughta go to bed
1886400;1547247311;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/01/three-weeks-into-partial-usg-shutdown-over-single-budget-item-small-signs-becoming-visible/ << Qntra -- Three Weeks Into Partial USG Shutdown Over Single Budget Item, Small Signs Becoming Visible
1886401;1547253315;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/01/pantsuit-capital-allocator-jeff-bezos-mismanages-household-to-dissolution-after-sexing-up-49-year-old-matron/ << Qntra -- Pantsuit Capital Allocator Jeff Bezos Mismanages Household To Dissolution After Sexing Up 49 Year Old Matron
1886402;1547254718;asciilifeform;!#s varanul
1886403;1547254718;a111;1 result for "varanul", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=varanul
1886404;1547254733;asciilifeform;hrm, could've sworn there was a moar recent mircea_popescu thread re same
1886405;1547254778;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-08#1885893 << there.
1886406;1547254778;a111;Logged on 2019-01-08 17:10 mircea_popescu: (that article, btw, remarkable because i told ro bezos "Si, draga Varanule, nu-i clar ca mai ai cinci ani" ie, "dear reptile, it's not clear you have five years left" in 2012 -- by 2014 he was in jail. because hey, mp is right now and again accidentally which is to say 1024/1024 occurences on his blog etc etc)
1886407;1547254855;asciilifeform;wtf re '49 Year Old' tho! i'd naively think 'may as well hang for a sheep as for a lamb'...
1886408;1547255786;BingoBoingo;Judging by the pictures it looks like she was a tanner more silicone'd version of his domestic partner
1886409;1547255814;BingoBoingo;And Amazon was built by boldly taking coeds
1886410;1547255828;BingoBoingo;* was not built by
1886411;1547255873;BingoBoingo;American Apparel was built by taking coeds. Amazon was built on retiree RV cities seasonally wintering at their distribution centers
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1886423;1547265053;deedbot;Invoiced lobbes 0.06900756 << Rockchip and shared hosting quarterly
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1886431;1547265159;deedbot;Invoiced jurov 0.03968076 << TBF colocation monthly
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1886435;1547265206;deedbot;Invoiced trinque 0.04168076 << colocation and shared hosting monthly
1886436;1547313458;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/01/us-pantsuits-flip-from-lauding-to-condemning-freshman-congresswoman-in-one-week/ << Qntra -- US Pantsuits Flip From Lauding To Condemning Freshman Congresswoman In One Week
1886437;1547314661;feedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2019/01/12/compiling-ada-library-for-use-with-non-ada-main/ << Ossasepia -- Compiling Ada Library for Use with Non-Ada Main
1886438;1547314738;diana_coman;^ for answering the previous confusion in http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-11#1886337
1886439;1547314738;a111;Logged on 2019-01-11 15:19 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-09#1886075 -> on additional digging, static lib apparently does have libnameinit so yest I was looking for the wrong thing
1886440;1547315538;asciilifeform;oh hey neato
1886441;1547315543;asciilifeform;congrats diana_coman
1886442;1547315572;*;asciilifeform massaging ch16..
1886443;1547316786;diana_coman;thanks!
1886444;1547327304;lobbes;!!v 3B530AF02F155473F5B9D3146382F7F95FEDD67618C0F2BC93D102FCAF4B9769
1886445;1547327308;deedbot;lobbes paid BingoBoingo invoice 3
1886446;1547337807;BingoBoingo;Attn: The Pizarro has rebooted, this was first noticed by mod6. A quick trip to the datacenter showed both power supplies were had their happy green lights lit, the ambient air was conditioned with cool everywhere outside the hot aisle, and the server's chassis was not particularly warm. attn: asciilifeform
1886447;1547337863;mod6;Specifically, UY1 - the shared hosting environment.
1886448;1547337901;mod6;The Foundation's colocated box there is not impacted -- this seems to be isolated to a problem with UY1 in particular.
1886449;1547337904;BingoBoingo;Ah yes, just the shared hosting server
1886450;1547351686;mircea_popescu;hi guise!
1886451;1547353121;mod6;Hola mircea_popescu
1886452;1547353200;BingoBoingo;Welcome back
1886453;1547353891;mircea_popescu;:)
1886454;1547367898;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-13#1886446 -> this made me jump at first to check on S.MG's servers with Pizarro; BingoBoingo please make those announcements clear from the start as to what services precisely are/have been affected
1886455;1547367898;a111;Logged on 2019-01-13 00:03 BingoBoingo: Attn: The Pizarro has rebooted, this was first noticed by mod6. A quick trip to the datacenter showed both power supplies were had their happy green lights lit, the ambient air was conditioned with cool everywhere outside the hot aisle, and the server's chassis was not particularly warm. attn: asciilifeform
1886456;1547368614;diana_coman;mod6, the V check post looks good; maybe move to the new blog your older posts on http://mod6.net/blog.html and update the link at http://mod6.net/ ?
1886457;1547373378;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-05#1884617 <-- ftr, I agree 100% with this assessment. the last 4 months (at least) of my life have been a rollercoaster, and I'm just beginning to settle down into an arrangement where I can set goals without getting preempted at every corner. my current goal is to have a schedule posted by the end of the month, in the same style as http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2735 ,
1886458;1547373378;a111;Logged on 2019-01-05 14:30 mircea_popescu: spyked is evidently trying, hence feedbot, but evidently having trouble reconciling saeculum, which i'm going to let stand as such on the grounds that he's new -- even though experience shows that as a dubious idea [for all the eg one could possibly need witness how asciilifeform 's still in the swamp, so many years later].
1886459;1547373384;spyked;http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/11/conveyor-outlook-now-to-feb-2019/ and others
1886460;1547373590;spyked;and in better news, house mogosanu (82.79.58.192) has a fully synced trb node up. it's been running without issues for almost a month now. IMHO it's ready to be added to http://thebitcoin.foundation/trusted-nodes.html (cc mod6)
1886461;1547373726;spyked;and in other tasks in my queue, I propose adding billymg and mod6's blogs to feedbot (I'll do that tomorrow if there are no objections)
1886462;1547385571;mircea_popescu;diana_coman it's entirely possible he didn't know.
1886463;1547387463;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: Apologies for the startling
1886464;1547387507;mircea_popescu;spyked feedbot additions process usually goes the other way ; but in this case sure.
1886465;1547389723;mircea_popescu;in other news : i'm not entirely current here, but diana_coman does seem to have neatly resolved the ada-cpp linking conundrums. going on which theory, the next step we're upon is what to do with the keys.
1886466;1547389752;mircea_popescu;this is a matter of best practices that's by its nature a republican standard candidate, so i'd very much like to hear the esteemed lordship.
1886467;1547389790;mircea_popescu;ad interim the draft is, that the client stores all the keys (rsa, serpent, whatever) one per line, the rsa ones in republican format, the rest unspecified as of yet, in a file called keys.tmsr encrypted by the rsa key of the client.
1886468;1547389800;mircea_popescu;this leaves open the "wut do about that encryption key".
1886469;1547389840;mircea_popescu;i'd rather not grandfather the current bitcoin wallet approach, time-tested as it might be. but this problem will recur (no later than "wut do wallet" in any case). so...
1886470;1547398406;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, and anyone else following smg comms protocol: http://trilema.com/2018/euloras-communication-protocol-restated/#comment-127409
1886471;1547401760;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-13#1886456 << Thanks for reading & feedback diana_coman!  I'm working to port over the old-ones as I can.  I'll find a temporary solution in the mean time.
1886472;1547401760;a111;Logged on 2019-01-13 08:36 diana_coman: mod6, the V check post looks good; maybe move to the new blog your older posts on http://mod6.net/blog.html and update the link at http://mod6.net/ ?
1886473;1547402093;billymg;!Q later tell hanbot mp-wp patches have been updated: http://billymg.com/2019/01/minor-mp-wp-patch-updates/ -- the only "\ No newline at end of file" strings you should find in .svg refs patch are from before part of the diff (i.e. file diffed had no newline at the end)
1886474;1547402094;lobbesbot;billymg: The operation succeeded.
1886475;1547402126;billymg;the* before part
1886476;1547402263;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-13#1886460 << Ah, well done, Sir.   I've added your name and host's IP to the list of Advertised Republican Nodes.  Cheers!
1886477;1547402263;a111;Logged on 2019-01-13 09:59 spyked: and in better news, house mogosanu (82.79.58.192) has a fully synced trb node up. it's been running without issues for almost a month now. IMHO it's ready to be added to http://thebitcoin.foundation/trusted-nodes.html (cc mod6)
1886478;1547405262;trinque;hola #t
1886479;1547405305;trinque;BingoBoingo: in reading your latest, I'm curious what fallback plans you have in between pizarro as is today and pizarro shuttered.
1886480;1547405353;trinque;trivially, if you're not using the full capacity of the rack, first thing I'd do is try to renegotiate the contract with DC for a smaller rental.
1886481;1547405634;BingoBoingo;trinque: I don't have concrete plans. The major part of the DC cost is pipe rather than rack. Renegotiating for less pipe with the datacenter would change the costs we are basing our colocation price off of as well.
1886482;1547405684;trinque;consider that I'd, at least, suffer less pipe sooner than no pipe.
1886483;1547405746;trinque;how much runway does a smaller pipe give, and what's the definition of "smaller pipe"?
1886484;1547405827;BingoBoingo;Well the numbers as of last January http://bingology.net/2018/01/18/datacenter-costs/
1886485;1547406054;trinque;BingoBoingo: next thing to do would be to instrument the router and see what you're actually using
1886486;1547406067;trinque;I'd be shocked if you needed more than that 10/100.
1886487;1547406540;trinque;I don't see why you'd change your pricing at all if it turns out nobody's using the capacity.
1886488;1547406589;BingoBoingo;This may be the case. I am very wary about pursuing that avenue without the board and input from all major Pizarro customers.
1886489;1547406611;trinque;at any rate, let me know if you actually want me to weigh in on how to keep it alive. if not, let me know when you want to scrap my server for me, and we can split the proceeds. dead in april without a plan in january is dead now.
1886490;1547406831;BingoBoingo;trinque: Please continue to weigh in. The present lack of weighing in on Pizarro by the forum is concerning.
1886491;1547406867;trinque;you've got my support to make whatever changes you need to capacity to get more time to think on the rest.
1886492;1547406935;mod6;http://blog.mod6.net/?p=26 << Here's my TRB Keccak Regrind blog post.  I have a tarball linked very near the bottom that contains my reground trb keccak vtree, as well as seals for each.  These are posted so one may test with these (I need the help!).
1886493;1547406978;BingoBoingo;trinque: Thank you very much for making your desires known.
1886494;1547407095;mod6;While Republicans are reviewing the above, I'm going to continue working on my TRB HOWTO updates -- I think it's pretty much finished, but I want to test it first before I start handing it around for testing by all.  After this, and blessings of the regrind from TMSR~, I'll put a date on when thebitcoin.foundation site will roll over to the keccak vtree exclusively.
1886495;1547407189;mod6;Thank you in advance to all who read my blog post and make it all the way through.  It's a bit lengthy, but most of it may be fairly obvious to the initiated.
1886496;1547407410;mod6;lol, this is pretty great.  So I was just looking at the post, and I was thinking "why does my 8th item in the overview seems spaced in one extra space?", and then I looked at the published source.
1886497;1547407427;mod6;Mind you, the entire thing is wrapped in <pre>, so that's perhaps why it still shows '8)'.
1886498;1547407440;mod6;But this is what the code says: <img src='http://blog.mod6.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' />
1886499;1547407469;mod6;I'll see if I can work around it somehow.
1886500;1547407607;mod6;Alright, switched the ')' to ']', and avoids the problem.
1886501;1547408548;mod6;Also, it seems that my mega-diff in the blog somehow slightly-skews the justification to the right by a few characters.  I'll try to remedy that.  In the mean time, if people want to just read the raw text post instead, I've made that available here as well: http://www.mod6.net/2019/January/13/keccak_regrind_noUTF8.txt
1886502;1547408908;mod6;Alright, I fixed it.  But I'll leave the raw file out there anyway just in case.
1886503;1547408935;mod6;The problem was, in the mega-diff, there were two places that had lines like this: "  -datadir=<dir>   \t\t  " + _("Specify data directory\n") +
1886504;1547408981;mod6;Which wp didn't touch the <dir> tag and replace with &lt; and &gt;, and for whatever reason, <dir> seems to play with the text formatting.  So after I replaced, it seems aligned properly now.
1886505;1547409136;mircea_popescu;diana_coman answer't.
1886506;1547409799;diana_coman;BingoBoingo, no select script on pizarro's blog?
1886507;1547410282;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, hmm basically a client can end up "making an account" with Eve and not even knowing it/getting then stuck/receiving unexpected messages at next attempt with legitimate server; I'm sure a client can basically recover/notice in the end but it pushes a bit more complexity on client
1886508;1547410305;mircea_popescu;it does so push, but the alternative is pushing more complexity in the wrong place.
1886509;1547410351;mircea_popescu;"There isn't, nor is there going to be a way, manner, instrument or device through which to protect the passive from the active." or how did that go.
1886510;1547410634;diana_coman;at any rate, the q was exactly that: a q for clarification; not finding fault
1886511;1547410727;diana_coman;BingoBoingo, specifically and a bit of follow-up on trinque's point above: pizarroisp.net/2019/01/ has this tiny paragraph starting with "action items" - was/is that fleshed out anywhere?
1886512;1547411428;mircea_popescu;yup.
1886513;1547412084;BingoBoingo;<diana_coman> BingoBoingo, no select script on pizarro's blog? << I'll get it set up in the next couple days.
1886514;1547412171;mircea_popescu;http://qntra.net/2019/01/el-chapo-allegedly-used-voip-had-sysadmin-flipped-by-criminal-fbi/ << this shit is pretty lulzy.
1886515;1547412384;BingoBoingo;<diana_coman> BingoBoingo, specifically and a bit of follow-up on trinque's point above: pizarroisp.net/2019/01/ has this tiny paragraph starting with "action items" - was/is that fleshed out anywhere? << I flesh out Pizarro's situation here http://bingology.net/2019/01/11/more-lessons-learned-pizarro-entering-2019/ I am hoping to get feedback from the Pizarro board (asciilifeform and mod6) and this forum. trinque is the first person to
1886516;1547412385;BingoBoingo;offer feedback
1886517;1547412519;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: "___ __________ never fails to unintentionally entertain"
1886518;1547412535;mircea_popescu;keks
1886519;1547412592;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-11#1886286 << who is this ?!
1886520;1547412592;a111;Logged on 2019-01-11 04:26 asciilifeform: meanwhile via #asciilifeform : http://btcinfo.sdf.org/blog/building-the-eulora-client-with-gentoo.html << apparently d00d cleanly baked client on cuntoo
1886521;1547412610;trinque;that's shinohai
1886522;1547412617;mircea_popescu;nice going shinohai
1886523;1547412799;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i don't know that there's anything wrong with returning gcd of 0,0 as 0. in my abstract mental model wherein 1 is a divisor of all numbers, gcd 0,0 =1, and furthermore 0 can never be a divisor of anything ; but this purely set-driven problem is inconsequential in boole's alt-world afaak.
1886524;1547413081;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-11#1886306 << returning gcd as 0 is an error message by itself, the usual set is [1,inf)
1886525;1547413081;a111;Logged on 2019-01-11 15:06 asciilifeform: diana_coman: correct. but i also did not 'ha! let's make it eggog cuz nobody did'
1886526;1547413243;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-11#1886328 << absolutely not ; as a philosophical matter this is akin to asking for "the machine to extend classes implicitly" aka both dwim & http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-06#1043874 rolled into one.
1886527;1547413243;a111;Logged on 2019-01-11 15:13 asciilifeform: imho arg can be made for it being the gcd-invoker's responsibility to know what to do with the output
1886528;1547413243;a111;Logged on 2015-03-06 02:28 asciilifeform: 'On two occasions I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question.'
1886529;1547413266;mircea_popescu;the machine is expected to give ~correct~ outputs in all cases ; not to give "outputs which may be meaningful if the user knew how to context-interpret them"
1886530;1547413275;mircea_popescu;that latter is actually what c ended up.
1886531;1547413797;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-11#1886356 << afaik not bounded.
1886532;1547413797;a111;Logged on 2019-01-11 17:28 asciilifeform: would still be handy if someone knew of a smaller bound for s, but not burning q.
1886533;1547414024;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-11#1886376 << with some caveats as to how "unrelated" (in the m-r sense of the term) those candidates must be, as it's entirely possible to generate an infinite set of lying witnesses for any composite number.
1886534;1547414024;a111;Logged on 2019-01-11 17:48 asciilifeform: ( re 'how many witnesses', see diana_coman's article, it reviews the necessary maffs, i.e. P(yer prime aint a prime and you die) == (1/4)^n, where n is # of witness )
1886535;1547414056;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, that's shinohai
1886536;1547414081;mircea_popescu;aha
1886537;1547414147;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-11#1886385 << basically "maybe-kinda-sorta lightweight" "pre-linked so you don't have to" version of static ?
1886538;1547414147;a111;Logged on 2019-01-11 18:03 diana_coman: so that'd be at least the "encapsulated" part explained
1886539;1547414193;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-11#1886387 << hopefully can just reuse item. that's the idea at least.
1886540;1547414193;a111;Logged on 2019-01-11 18:06 asciilifeform: and ftr i'm surely doomed to run into diana_coman's puzzler myself, when i go to write a threaded proggy (e.g. adaized trb)
1886541;1547414202;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, http://ossasepia.com/2019/01/12/compiling-ada-library-for-use-with-non-ada-main/#selection-79.0-91.300
1886542;1547414226;mircea_popescu;putting all sorts of things in there specifically so later on people don't run into "omfg retards why the fuck would they do it like that!!!" sorta issues
1886543;1547414281;mircea_popescu;ic!
1886544;1547414410;diana_coman;I still think it's a mess basically and I wrote it there like that with bullet points precisely because I know I will keep tripping over this so at least I know where to go to ...
1886545;1547414588;diana_coman;BingoBoingo, I re-read now that post with the idea in mind that it's meant to be the "fleshed out" version - it reads like a reasonable summary but I still fail to see the fleshed out plans going forward and esp re "try to drink the ocean" ; I followed the links and noticed the posts but I still get the impression those are only a few and/or manually done, is that correct?
1886546;1547414809;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, re size it's actually going from ~95k current size of static standalone lib to ~800k size of same thing but "encapsulated"
1886547;1547414868;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: I am posting and prodding forums manually, and those are not the only two. Those examples were selected for their relative visibilty. I am getting some noises in response to my fishing now. I plan to meet one fellow from one forum next week while he's passing through the city.
1886548;1547414969;diana_coman;BingoBoingo, specifically this http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-12#1880369
1886549;1547414969;a111;Logged on 2018-12-12 19:39 mircea_popescu: why not just enumerate the userbase and message them all ?
1886550;1547415119;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: I am presently hand cranking the database walking.
1886551;1547415212;diana_coman;how do you see that working before pizarro starves?
1886552;1547415581;diana_coman;I fail to find also a continuation to http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-05#1884838 - > was there some discussion on this going forwards?
1886553;1547415581;a111;Logged on 2019-01-05 16:45 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-05#1884603 << BingoBoingo i'd ~really~ like to hear what is current plan for gettin' heathen custom, so as to finally get the hell out of the red. asciilifeform dun have a massive treasure chest that can run pizarro 'on battery' 4evah (hopefully not surprising, this)
1886554;1547415628;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-12#1886407 << where's he going to meet a 20something ?
1886555;1547415628;a111;Logged on 2019-01-12 01:00 asciilifeform: wtf re '49 Year Old' tho! i'd naively think 'may as well hang for a sheep as for a lamb'...
1886556;1547416969;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-13#1886480 << that's not particularly useful, seeing how... it'd necessarily mean ppl other than him going into the rack, yes ? kinda kills the value propositioin
1886557;1547416969;a111;Logged on 2019-01-13 18:49 trinque: trivially, if you're not using the full capacity of the rack, first thing I'd do is try to renegotiate the contract with DC for a smaller rental.
1886558;1547417003;mircea_popescu;but in other keks, this could be taken as a "shutdown" a la republique.
1886559;1547417055;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-13#1886483 << it can't possibly be the problem the dc's kicking him out, he just got a decent chunk wired there. i rather expect he's running into tyhe problem of what to eat himself.
1886560;1547417055;a111;Logged on 2019-01-13 18:55 trinque: how much runway does a smaller pipe give, and what's the definition of "smaller pipe"?
1886561;1547417113;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It's the problem of what happens in March-April when that runs out.
1886562;1547417137;mircea_popescu;aha
1886563;1547417186;BingoBoingo;If the marketing can't start catching fish. On this point I am working on a response to diana_coman. The short of it is I want help, and I want to know what kind of incentive can bring in some hands to help with marketing.
1886564;1547417335;diana_coman;could pizarro even get in the green just by reducing the pipe? sharing rack sounds more like killing pizarro by definition
1886565;1547417386;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-13#1886499 << yeah, dunno if youi're using mp-wp or not, but in any case, it has a filter thingee you can turn off/adsjust
1886566;1547417386;a111;Logged on 2019-01-13 19:24 mod6: I'll see if I can work around it somehow.
1886567;1547417402;mircea_popescu;diana_coman i never heard of a body that thrived by eating its fingers, no.
1886568;1547417415;mircea_popescu;generally, bodily parts to be used the ~other~ direction.
1886569;1547417449;diana_coman;and in any case it'd be at best avoiding the problem rather than solving it so more agony down the line in all likelihood
1886570;1547417546;BingoBoingo;<diana_coman> how do you see that working before pizarro starves? << I worry. The more I think about the marketing and trying to make a plan for marketing I worry. I am in the unhappy position of being out of my depth on the marketing problem, repeating my concerns about my lack of marketing prowess, trying to apply advice as I can while juggling other concerns, and not getting any feedback on incentives that can bring other people in
1886571;1547417546;BingoBoingo;to work on the Pizarro marketing problem. Recently there have been some promising contacts from marketing efforts, but I haven't been converting yet.
1886572;1547417595;mircea_popescu;did you get the bitcoin->fiat thing going ? bank accounts, all that jazz ?
1886573;1547417695;*;asciilifeform just got back from snow-related chores, ate log, but must go again shortly
1886574;1547417725;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: We can do bitcoin to fiat. That is largely solved.
1886575;1547417743;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there can be no question of 'sharing rack', it's entirely nonstarter. what there are, are half-height racks, in which most of the other customers of that bldg live. but they are bad deal, iirc they only cost slightly less than a full 42 height.
1886576;1547417755;mircea_popescu;i expect.
1886577;1547417769;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo did you ever tell how ? or proprietary sauce ?
1886578;1547417775;diana_coman;BingoBoingo, but how *many* accounts did you message out of how many in the db, over what time, what filter(s) did you use and with what results?
1886579;1547417893;*;asciilifeform will answr gcd etc. points later, would like to keep the bandwidth clear for BingoBoingo thread
1886580;1547417907;diana_coman;and for that matter what is in the pipe to add more to that db , anyway?
1886581;1547418003;mircea_popescu;diana_coman aha, recall ye olde http://trilema.com/2015/minigame-smg-june-2015-statement/#footnote_3_62044
1886582;1547418056;diana_coman;yes! I was basically waiting for something like that as a minimum re promised writeup review
1886583;1547418066;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well for the most part, I have a bank account. We've been doing the fiat auctions, and one of the localbitcoins traders has grown his ablity to handle larger conversions as he's gone full time working his bicycle based currency exchange. So far this can meet our near term needs.
1886584;1547418068;mircea_popescu;2015s standards.
1886585;1547418092;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo minus the perceived squishy, not bad.
1886586;1547418116;asciilifeform;oh hey terraforming actually started working ?! neat
1886587;1547418132;diana_coman;ugh, why is pizarro's tech finding out this only now!
1886588;1547418143;mircea_popescu;>.<
1886589;1547418176;asciilifeform;i'd hope it's on acct of it being inside the most recent update cycle. ( BingoBoingo ? )
1886590;1547418312;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, on a side note, that iii footnote is funny now "and while it is entirely possible someone strikes a multi-BTC jackpot, it is not altogether very likely"
1886591;1547418321;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> i'd hope it's on acct of it being inside the most recent update cycle. ( BingoBoingo ? ) << This assessment of local liquidity is indeed the latest update cycle, but local liquidity has been growing over the past month.
1886592;1547418329;asciilifeform;in re the uy1 machine: i'ma set up a realtime systemlog printer for that machine. if there's a physical problem with the iron, i expect we will find the culprit shortly.
1886593;1547418345;mircea_popescu;diana_coman ikr.
1886594;1547418361;mircea_popescu;on a long enough timeline the unlikely becomes certainty\
1886595;1547418418;diana_coman;if not ONE unlikely then..another! lol
1886596;1547418438;mircea_popescu;aha
1886597;1547418508;diana_coman;what is the duration of this update cycle or what is it exactly?
1886598;1547418653;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-13#1886575 <--> http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-13#1886486
1886599;1547418653;a111;Logged on 2019-01-13 22:15 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there can be no question of 'sharing rack', it's entirely nonstarter. what there are, are half-height racks, in which most of the other customers of that bldg live. but they are bad deal, iirc they only cost slightly less than a full 42 height.
1886600;1547418653;a111;Logged on 2019-01-13 19:01 trinque: I'd be shocked if you needed more than that 10/100.
1886601;1547418672;BingoBoingo;<diana_coman> BingoBoingo, but how *many* accounts did you message out of how many in the db, over what time, what filter(s) did you use and with what results? << The way I've been walking by hand involves looking at the users online list most forums helpfully still offer and going from there. Recently I've taken to looking for "I got banned from X turdservice" threads and blogs then posting targeted copy as demonstrated in one of the
1886602;1547418673;BingoBoingo;links earlier mentioned. At present there is one ongoing conversation as a result of this.
1886603;1547418683;trinque;and http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-13#1886481
1886604;1547418683;a111;Logged on 2019-01-13 18:53 BingoBoingo: trinque: I don't have concrete plans. The major part of the DC cost is pipe rather than rack. Renegotiating for less pipe with the datacenter would change the costs we are basing our colocation price off of as well.
1886605;1547418761;diana_coman;BingoBoingo, did you talk to your tech about automating any part of that?
1886606;1547418801;diana_coman;and I still don't know how many...
1886607;1547418828;diana_coman;BingoBoingo, is your colocation price not competitive?
1886608;1547418871;trinque;diana_coman: would reducing the download capacity to 10mbps harm your use case any?
1886609;1547418911;asciilifeform;diana_coman: the painful troof is that's riotously 'uncompetitive' vs. ~the reich~, where 'same' price gets you 100mbit/bidirectional ~per machine~
1886610;1547418960;asciilifeform;this item is on acct of the geography, and i do not presently know of a cure
1886611;1547419007;diana_coman;trinque, my personal one no
1886612;1547419011;asciilifeform;trinque: ~90% of the time the pipe is no saturated. the issue is burst capacity.
1886613;1547419015;asciilifeform;*not
1886614;1547419021;trinque;issue for whom
1886615;1547419029;BingoBoingo;<diana_coman> BingoBoingo, did you talk to your tech about automating any part of that? << I have not directly requested that no. There was the conversation that lead to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-12#1880371 and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881538
1886616;1547419029;a111;Logged on 2018-12-12 19:41 BingoBoingo: ^ Any awk ninjas want to try this on a few forums?
1886617;1547419029;a111;Logged on 2018-12-18 19:59 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wants to hire BingoBoingo to do it ; BingoBoingo is looking around for "awk experts" to do it. meanwhile, danielpbarron is out there doing it.
1886618;1547419064;asciilifeform;trinque: i cannot speak for other users, but i saturate it regularly when i make backups
1886619;1547419143;asciilifeform;trinque: i'm entirely in agreement with your earlier pt re 'i'd rather have thin pipe than no pipe'. the q is whether the currently unborn subscribers, who are needed in order to go into the black, will agree.
1886620;1547419146;diana_coman;trinque, for s.mg it's less straightforward and it's not even just a matter of backups only; at any rate, it's at best "starvation mode" so I don't see how it really gets pizarro out of trouble; so far it's not even clear that *price* is the trouble re converting really; is it?
1886621;1547419178;diana_coman;not to mention that it sounds to me that you'll potentially lose precisely those customers you want
1886622;1547419251;trinque;don't know if y'all have a realistic perception of what sales takes, and "I'm gonna sell my way into the black in two months" sounds like.
1886623;1547419288;asciilifeform;ftr , and in re whole thread, asciilifeform is entirely all ears re any thoughts trinque , diana_coman , mircea_popescu , et al, have re subj of what gotta be done in order to reach the black.
1886624;1547419330;trinque;negotiate with existing customers re: what cuts they'll suffer, *if* they will, cut, and roll everything you can to actual, aggressive sales efforts
1886625;1547419339;trinque;barring that the thing's dead.
1886626;1547419357;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform enumerate the db of each forum touching upon internet, message each single user, report on results.
1886627;1547419366;asciilifeform;trinque: why mention only cuts , but not price ? thing's riotously underpriced currently.
1886628;1547419368;mircea_popescu;should've been done last jan, or last feb, or last mar, or last apr, or last etc.
1886629;1547419399;trinque;asciilifeform: if you try to reach black by multiplying my bill, I'll just leave.
1886630;1547419418;mircea_popescu;the notion whereby "i've been doing something by hand in lieu of what i'm supposed to do" passing muster is not unlike the case where you send girl to buy you shoes and she comes by with "i love you alf" papier mache "8th march -- mother's day!!" gift.
1886631;1547419431;mircea_popescu;what is this, retard school ? we don't want "projects" in the playdo sense.
1886632;1547419438;diana_coman;myeah, that "into the black in two months" seems to me weird here; the trouble is not even "in two months" but at all; because it has been way more than 2 months and if it keeps going as is, I doubt 10 months would make a difference
1886633;1547419454;asciilifeform;trinque: enlighten me, what exactly price is republican hosting worth to trinque ? is it '10% over what amazon costs' ? or 'the number i've grown used to?' what's the calculation there
1886634;1547419500;trinque;since I still host everything important elsewhere, not as much as if I thought it'd be around.
1886635;1547419518;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform whatever the calculation is, it's not gonna be "im just gonna subsizide whatever-you-guise-feel-like"
1886636;1547419530;trinque;and since the "fair price" is going to be "what we need" ^ aha
1886637;1547419539;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'd expect not
1886638;1547419566;mircea_popescu;yes, there's an argument to be made for "help out fellow republicans". fine and good, but them fellow republicans'd better be out there converting the world to the republic.
1886639;1547419573;mircea_popescu;because if they are not -- guess what, bezos also isn't.
1886640;1547419580;mircea_popescu;and i hear he has a wife to support, as well.
1886641;1547419608;mircea_popescu;the shaver shaves universally -- it's not one shaver for phf and a diff one shaver for pizarro.
1886642;1547419616;mircea_popescu;if you opt to not tell people to come in -- you opt to be out of here.
1886643;1547419676;mircea_popescu;tmsr isn't some cool secret project for five dorks under some covers in a pillow fort somewhere. tmsr is the rule of the world and mandatory at all junctures, wtf.
1886644;1547419698;mircea_popescu;first, you tell them to come over, then you start nuking everyone else, and on in this manner. what, are we fucking around ?
1886645;1547419713;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how does this square with the http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/#selection-23.0-31.1 item ?
1886646;1547419734;mircea_popescu;"my five year plan for pizarro is that by the time we're done with the first three it'll not be physically possible to do such a thing as 'host a website' anywhere else."\
1886647;1547419761;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what dun square ?
1886648;1547419787;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the item where mircea_popescu decided that heathendom is ~irredeemably stupid, and that ~all the folx who belong in, are already in
1886649;1547419794;mircea_popescu;last i heard you're not welcome in the us congress, will still get fined if you park in the main entryway to courthouse.
1886650;1547419811;mircea_popescu;let them pay pizarro, nobody said they're gonna be making policy.
1886651;1547419936;trinque;BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-13#1886484 << I was looking for a calculation on your part, so you have something to negotiate with customers.
1886652;1547419936;a111;Logged on 2019-01-13 18:57 BingoBoingo: Well the numbers as of last January http://bingology.net/2018/01/18/datacenter-costs/
1886653;1547420085;trinque;"capacity will temporarily be X while BingoBoingo Ys, this gives T time left to P. customers will meanwhile accumulate S shares per billing cycle of diminished capacity" as a rough model of what I'm talking about.
1886654;1547420116;trinque;or y'all can proceed valiantly into the void, whichever you prefer
1886655;1547420167;mircea_popescu;customer-shares program ? why ?
1886656;1547420234;trinque;it's a model of a negotiation, not proposing a specific, other than not sitting around thinking about how lordly we are while we die
1886657;1547420254;trinque;if customers wont take the diminished capacity that's basically all else pizarro has that has (if very) hypothetical value
1886658;1547420265;trinque;with which to persuade for the cut
1886659;1547420390;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: imho trinque is right , tomorrow morning is the time to have a talk with the dc rep re bw pricing function ( and post the output to our www asap )
1886660;1547420488;mircea_popescu;trinque what customers ?
1886661;1547420508;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that your dc respects you is probably your only asset now. giving that away will yield what, "a clearer situation" ?
1886662;1547420534;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> asciilifeform that your dc respects you is probably your only asset now. giving that away will yield what, "a clearer situation" ? << This is my worry about "renegotiating" with the DC
1886663;1547420549;asciilifeform;hm
1886664;1547420593;BingoBoingo;Even if I frame it as "we aren't utilizing the whole pipe", they are going to smell blood
1886665;1547420598;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: is your thought that attempts to cut cost are entirely wrong thrust ?
1886666;1547420620;mircea_popescu;yes, my thought is that if you can't make sales with spare capacity you're not going to make sales without spare capacity.
1886667;1547420621;*;BingoBoingo going to take a walk while the rain's stopped and try to unload some of this cortisol
1886668;1547420634;mircea_popescu;moreover that if your pet duck is eating its feet it's not gonna become a drake anytime soon.
1886669;1547420681;diana_coman;when is the time for http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-13#1886626 ?
1886670;1547420681;a111;Logged on 2019-01-13 22:42 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform enumerate the db of each forum touching upon internet, message each single user, report on results.
1886671;1547420769;trinque;mircea_popescu: most hosting is biased towards upload anyway, and there's ample capacity on that end to sell.
1886672;1547420785;trinque;what was it, they paid 3x for the symmetric?
1886673;1547420855;mircea_popescu;anyways, is the situation here is that mod6 is quietly opting out while you're explicitly opting out of the refinancing you both were very excited to do a year or so ago, back when i was rebuffing ben_vulpes with "the only thing another cap round buys you is not havign to do any work for a longer interval" ?
1886674;1547420889;mircea_popescu;trinque i'm not that in touch, but iirc it was a good deal as symmetric.
1886675;1547420910;BingoBoingo;A symmetric pipe would have been much more expensive
1886676;1547420930;trinque;ah, that's the error then, I thought it was already the symmetric.
1886677;1547420997;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: mod6's nerves gave out and he went on sabbatical w/out yet having said whether, and to what extent, he will participate .
1886678;1547421069;asciilifeform;currently he still stands as a 50% owner.
1886679;1547421450;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/nu-mai-avem-titluri-de-voiaj-reveniti-miine/ << Trilema -- Nu mai avem titluri de voiaj ; reveniti miine!
1886680;1547421598;*;asciilifeform will return in ~1h
1886681;1547421659;diana_coman;asciilifeform, http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-13#1886623 -> automate 1st stages of reach out at a very minimum, run it, analyse it
1886682;1547421659;a111;Logged on 2019-01-13 22:41 asciilifeform: ftr , and in re whole thread, asciilifeform is entirely all ears re any thoughts trinque , diana_coman , mircea_popescu , et al, have re subj of what gotta be done in order to reach the black.
1886683;1547421660;mod6;I'm still committed to the 5 BTC promised a while ago.
1886684;1547421687;mod6;Dinner time, bbl.
1886685;1547423198;mircea_popescu;so ok, if mod6 is committed to the prev 5btc and asciilifeform meets it, what exactly is pizarro's financial problem ?
1886686;1547423214;mircea_popescu;seems rather the problem is "how to spend tens of thousands of dollars with a roi" rather than "wut do april"
1886687;1547423384;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if pizarro can say "talked to 985,553 heathens this month, here's the script, here's the results breakdown, here's the more interesting lulz/notions/ideas" it stands in a WAY the fuck better position than what trinque above perceived may well degenerate into a simple "gimme".
1886688;1547423425;mircea_popescu;because i can see why someone'd go, "eh, whatever, thirty heathens to the cent, i don't even mind paying". as per ye even older http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-21#1026639
1886689;1547423425;a111;Logged on 2015-02-21 01:19 mircea_popescu: "she's been going through 6-7k each month since autumn, but i get to go visit p diddy whenever i feel like it. it's a wash"
1886690;1547423857;trinque;then the question becomes why BingoBoingo is writing about death when capitalized through his perceived deadline
1886691;1547423868;trinque;derps gotta talk to each other
1886692;1547425035;BingoBoingo;My inclination was not to take the earlier committment for granted and underline the need to start working out a plan to achieve a positive ROI because I can't man alone it. Having sidechannel discussions outside this forum has been demonstrated -EV in the past. I am also wary of having strategic discussions outside of the channel where most of the republic's strategic and commercial competence sits.
1886693;1547425864;BingoBoingo;Anyways, I was feeling overdue for an appointment with the sharp rotating blades of the immutable machine.
1886694;1547425874;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-13#1886685 << i'ma match mod6 . and then see to it that mircea_popescu's advices are actually followed, even if ( and it appears that yes if ) i gotta run the spamatrons with own hands & feet
1886695;1547425874;a111;Logged on 2019-01-13 23:46 mircea_popescu: so ok, if mod6 is committed to the prev 5btc and asciilifeform meets it, what exactly is pizarro's financial problem ?
1886696;1547425920;mircea_popescu;this is a perfectly valid metric, "derps reached per bitcent". much like bw or w/e else, it's a measurement, yes.
1886697;1547426166;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: also on subj, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/5gd63/?raw=true
1886698;1547426195;feedbot;http://bimbo.club/2019/01/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-april-may-and-june-1714-part-i/ << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of April, May and June, 1714 - Part I.
1886699;1547426446;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/tqDlJ/?raw=true
1886700;1547426489;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: danke schon!
1886701;1547428642;mircea_popescu;doesn't that look suspicious.
1886702;1547428768;*;BingoBoingo putting on shoes. asciilifeform is there anything in particular you want me to check for beyond what I reported yesterday?
1886703;1547429173;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the seals.
1886704;1547429442;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Aite.
1886705;1547429762;trinque;BingoBoingo: looks like uy1 rebooted again?
1886706;1547429775;mircea_popescu;we were just talking about that.
1886707;1547429815;trinque;hrm
1886708;1547429914;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: plox to switch on with chassic open and determine if fans moving; and clean the latter. ty
1886709;1547429921;asciilifeform;*chassis
1886710;1547430047;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: bios setup of that box also contains internal log, which will report if thermal trip. plox to examine.
1886711;1547430084;asciilifeform;also BingoBoingo plox to connect kvm hoses to selfsame box, and kvm power to mains, before you leave the cage.
1886712;1547430408;mircea_popescu;wb
1886713;1547430510;lobbes;ty. (my irssi is on teh uy1)
1886714;1547430698;mircea_popescu;i'm kinda curious what comes out of this.
1886715;1547430870;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-14#1886692 << I've been digesting your initial blawg post, and then that last thread. If I were to summarize what I'd read I'd say the short-term path is clear: start automating, and then reporting on metrics gathered. In the best case it seems the only way to generate enough sales. In the worst case you will have at least produced some meaningful statistics
1886716;1547430870;a111;Logged on 2019-01-14 00:17 BingoBoingo: My inclination was not to take the earlier committment for granted and underline the need to start working out a plan to achieve a positive ROI because I can't man alone it. Having sidechannel discussions outside this forum has been demonstrated -EV in the past. I am also wary of having strategic discussions outside of the channel where most of the republic's strategic and commercial competence sits.
1886717;1547430876;lobbes;it would seem like BingoBoingo's and my own (albiet limited) experiences illustrate the futile and time-wasting nature of sifting through the meat pile by hand >> http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/07/sales-report-june-2018/
1886718;1547431462;mircea_popescu;re http://bingology.net/2019/01/11/more-lessons-learned-pizarro-entering-2019/#selection-51.13-51.130 specifically (ie, "no hardware to sell"), is this actually the case ? i thought there was some overcapacity
1886719;1547431652;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo re ". Even when I manage a piece of evangelical Republican writing well received by the targeted community as measured by 'likes'... the reception warm reception is fuctionally empty." << the problem with this is the single-flower-spring issue. if you wish t go this route your measurements are in the dozens of accounts, spitting forth 100s of daily posts supporting each other across the whole "niche".
1886720;1547431659;mircea_popescu;you don't do that, you don't get anywhere.
1886721;1547431687;mircea_popescu;understand there's no such thing as "a liver". either it's the whole enchilada, liver, stomach, bone, muscles, skin, all the organs -- or else nothing at all.
1886722;1547432335;mircea_popescu;in other news, libgnarl.a is a great name indeed!
1886723;1547432795;mircea_popescu;re http://pizarroisp.net/2019/01/ : leaving aside how annoying it is i can't select, and how it's the case trying to comment timesout : it seems the case pizarro ~made~ about 2 bitcoin during november, on the strength of its fiat-denominated holdings, taking it from being worth ~14 to being worth ~17 bitcoin ?
1886724;1547432843;mircea_popescu;are these factual ? because ~both~ of these would be ~significant~ accomplishments, neh ? shareholders put in 11, if memory serves, so they realised a 60% roi over the interval ?
1886725;1547432877;mircea_popescu;it strikes me as the height of strange that the balance sheet seems to paint a rosy picture whereas management communication is bleak and dour. these shouldn't contradict so, which is it ?
1886726;1547433432;mircea_popescu;in other news, ffa chapters are such a pleasure. it seems to me by now ffa has become such a largest-rock in the loperos garden...
1886727;1547433433;mircea_popescu;kudos.
1886728;1547433554;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Fans clean, all spin. Palpable air movement in and out of the chassis. Seals in tact on arrival, new seals deployed. KVM connected. I did not manage to find the internal log in the BIOS.
1886729;1547433772;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-14#1886726 << very happy to hear that mircea_popescu enjoyed reading. i've put a good bit of sweat in recent times into keeping these pieces short & edible.
1886730;1547433772;a111;Logged on 2019-01-14 02:37 mircea_popescu: in other news, ffa chapters are such a pleasure. it seems to me by now ffa has become such a largest-rock in the loperos garden...
1886731;1547433818;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: ty, i'ma instrument the thing for realtime logging soon as i wake up ( about to turn in, and would rather not break things when half awake )
1886732;1547435088;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> it strikes me as the height of strange that the balance sheet seems to paint a rosy picture whereas management communication is bleak and dour. these shouldn't contradict so, which is it ? << The cash flow situation concerns me. Our fiat denominated holdings have appreciated. As you assessed earlier our primary asset is a healthy customer relationship with the (very rare) independent datacenter. Maintaining that
1886733;1547435088;BingoBoingo;relationship is also the largest of our recurring fiat denominated expenses. Sitting here my thinking latched onto present cash flow situation as the datacenter's goodwill isn't very liquid.
1886734;1547435139;mircea_popescu;i suppose.
1886735;1547436006;asciilifeform;meanwhile, elsewhere, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2963&cpage=1#comment-19774
1886736;1547436458;mircea_popescu;i happen to agree with the fellow, "partial order" (as in, the term of art) is specifically why not actually breaking anything.
1886737;1547436751;mircea_popescu;and ahh, what a joy to be catched up!
1886738;1547438030;mircea_popescu;in other arcana : i have here a copy of trb that has died a mysterious death on dec 31st. the process itself hasn't returned, ps aux lists it as expected, however the last time it touched any files was two weeks ago, nor does a call to getinfo ever return.
1886739;1547438068;mircea_popescu;is this a first ?
1886740;1547439027;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what if anyffing is in the log tail ?
1886741;1547439045;mircea_popescu;it's own debug log ? a buncha disconnecting node x
1886742;1547439063;asciilifeform;ending dec31? or continues
1886743;1547439109;mircea_popescu;ending then
1886744;1547439166;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: afaik yer the pioneer , this is 1st such case on record.
1886745;1547439197;mircea_popescu;i weep not hjaving ran this particular instance in debug, so i can't see where it's looping, or wtf
1886746;1547439198;asciilifeform;i assume mircea_popescu already checked that disk wasnt full
1886747;1547439209;mircea_popescu;but what the FUCK can i do, run everything in debug, maybe 3-5-12 layers deep ?
1886748;1547439234;asciilifeform;1 suffices , lol
1886749;1547439239;mircea_popescu;this anger has led me to re-read ye olde http://trilema.com/2018/the-symbolics-discussion/ ; only to discover i'm ~still~ not satisfied
1886750;1547439254;mircea_popescu;"why didn't it sell with the rest ?" still haunts me.
1886751;1547439266;*;asciilifeform wishes that these happend on ~his~ boxen !
1886752;1547439304;mircea_popescu;i'd like a computer where i didn't have this sort of problem.
1886753;1547439318;asciilifeform;heh i have a whole www  about these..
1886754;1547439319;mircea_popescu;"something happened -- nobody knows when or why or how. would you like fries with that ?"
1886755;1547439381;asciilifeform;unixtardation, crashism, bigger calamity than pb in petrol, or in pipes, or 100 chernobyls
1886756;1547439527;mircea_popescu;here i sit and stare into the terminal, not knowing what to do. this happens absolutely never in my life, except when dealing with fucking computers.
1886757;1547439622;asciilifeform;in the past , asciilifeform encountered cases like this and resorted to dumping physical mem images. but doesnt expect mircea_popescu to do this
1886758;1547439648;asciilifeform;( aand they're a 1st class bitch to get anyffing useful out of )
1886759;1547439669;mircea_popescu;i don't expect anything useful could be had in a timeframe shorter than re-doing all of bitcoin. it's a large box etc.
1886760;1547439724;asciilifeform;unixtardation is an item i'd like to live to see an end put to, verily.
1886761;1547439772;asciilifeform;sorta whole orig thrust behind asciilifeform's archaeologies, experiments in old days, fpga room, etc
1886762;1547439828;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1886763;1547439867;mircea_popescu;and there it goes : happily eats ctrl-c, OF COURSE, cuz why the fuck have any sort of notion of human priviledge or anything, terminal has its own mind, right. but if sigkilled dies peacibly and then restarts as if nothing had happened.
1886764;1547439964;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: any sign of oom, or anyffin else peculiar, in last hours of log ?
1886765;1547439971;mircea_popescu;absolutely nothing.
1886766;1547439985;asciilifeform;nuts.
1886767;1547439989;mircea_popescu;i ~suspect~ but obviously have no way of proving that its netpipe flickered and it never recovered.
1886768;1547440008;asciilifeform;this dun normally nail the process tho
1886769;1547440014;mircea_popescu;no, i know
1886770;1547440035;mircea_popescu;besides i have testing for this specific, "whyat happens with net interface unreliability", never found this particular issue
1886771;1547440056;mircea_popescu;but then agai nthe space of shit is SO VAST it's not feasible to exhaustively test.
1886772;1547440061;asciilifeform;very handy test tho
1886773;1547440081;asciilifeform;i've planted noad under gsm modem, for instance, surprisingly - worked
1886774;1547440095;*;asciilifeform bbl, food
1886775;1547440098;mircea_popescu;it's important, really cornerstone of all "made by vbasic/java/etc minds and has network access" items.
1886776;1547440136;mircea_popescu;no offense to Mocky_ , whose brain works fine.
1886777;1547441492;mircea_popescu;back to the truly irksome :
1886778;1547441495;mircea_popescu;phf pre-symbolics the "theorems" were "how do i computer" in general. those guys weren't playing around with custom fpga in their garage that they failed to sell. they were basically figuring out how to build a von neumann machine that can do things, which they did
1886779;1547441495;mircea_popescu;mircea_popescu this part is fine. now, why did they fail to a) band together and b) control, deliberately, the product. they did a very strict anti-a and anti-b. why! the only reason mit even exists in this picture is because the dozen was "omfg, we DID figure it out, now quick, find someone TO PROTECT US FROM OUR HAVING FIGURED IT OUT!!1" holy shit who thinks like this and why do they.
1886780;1547471804;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wl72x/?raw=true
1886781;1547473606;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is a mega-point
1886782;1547473619;mircea_popescu;yw.
1886783;1547473829;asciilifeform;aand i'ma apply the supplied algo.
1886784;1547474586;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-13#1886522   <<< Thanx, also will report to diana_coman if configuring out bullet has any negative consequences, so far everything renders correctly as far as I can tell.
1886785;1547474586;a111;Logged on 2019-01-13 20:50 mircea_popescu: nice going shinohai
1886786;1547474598;shinohai;Perforemed bare hand exploration, also works.
1886787;1547476053;diana_coman;shinohai, an Ada lib for client-side logging would be quite useful
1886788;1547476086;diana_coman;bot is in dire need of proper logging and once the new protocol is in place I can see the client itself needing to log stuff
1886789;1547476099;diana_coman;at the very least, dubious messages if/when it gets them
1886790;1547476272;shinohai;I look forward to client updates, also found http://ossasepia.com/2019/01/12/compiling-ada-library-for-use-with-non-ada-main/ quite interesting btw.
1886791;1547476540;diana_coman;thanks! one of those days I'll get around to write-up the jam stuff for linking the lib with the client too ; at any rate, the linking seems sorted for now - it's Ada code for all the pieces that is missing
1886792;1547476644;shinohai;While I'm here, did you guise remove http://minigame.bz/jurov/Eulora-client.git permanently? (Perhaps jurov has copy still hidden away somewhere, I was interested for archival purposes)
1886793;1547476685;mircea_popescu;should be in http://minigame.biz/jurov/Eulora-client.git i don't expect anyone deleted it
1886794;1547476828;shinohai;I tried cloning, simply times out ( was going to add additional post on subject )
1886795;1547476972;diana_coman;wasn't that with old versions/unmaintained ?
1886796;1547476991;mircea_popescu;diana_coman wth happened there, Trying 161.0.121.247... Connection timed out etc. site got nuked ?
1886797;1547477027;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, neah, it's that part that I did not move over to the html server because it wasn't up to date really
1886798;1547477041;mircea_popescu;but i mean no part of the site responds ?
1886799;1547477049;mircea_popescu;oh, is this uy1 being down ?
1886800;1547477057;diana_coman;? it responds here?
1886801;1547477073;diana_coman;or uhm, no
1886802;1547477080;diana_coman;yes, it is uy1 being down
1886803;1547477101;mircea_popescu;heh.
1886804;1547477109;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: .247 is uy1
1886805;1547477114;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform BingoBoingo yo, you can't have multi hour outages, wtf.
1886806;1547477146;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: How is the debugging and instrumenting going? Do you need my hands in the rack?
1886807;1547477171;shinohai;( I wrote initial post on Friday, minigame.bz wasn't responding then when I did post research - only thing I got was the logs subdomain)
1886808;1547477188;mircea_popescu;shinohai multiple layers. it went from .bz to .biz sometime 2017 maybe ?
1886809;1547477212;mircea_popescu;jurov used to maintain a git repo (2016 maybe ?) but we're not that git-friendly anyway and he kinda stopped working on it.
1886810;1547477231;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: yes hands asap plox
1886811;1547477241;mircea_popescu;when diana_coman moved over the site to uy, she pruned all the shit that was badly out of date and little hope of being brought back up
1886812;1547477250;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Aite
1886813;1547477439;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu et al : not a planned outage, at this point i strongly suspect iron issue
1886814;1547477449;diana_coman;basically we don't have a windows maintainer anymore; and yes, last parts in there were ~2016
1886815;1547477463;mircea_popescu;that's nice and all, but meanwhile here i sit talking to people about absent sites yes.
1886816;1547478047;mircea_popescu;http://qntra.net/2018/12/trump-makes-end-of-year-push-mattis-out-syria-and-afghanistan-withdrawals-and-shutdown-showdown-over-border-wall/ << in utter lulz : could the democrat party be any less fucking relevant these days ? it's gop-senate vs gop-house and trump.
1886817;1547478083;mircea_popescu;bernie sanders is actually more of a player than the entire collected dnc
1886818;1547478119;mircea_popescu;ie, pretty much ended as a going concern.
1886819;1547478167;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: wtf, thing appears to be hung on the grub menu screen
1886820;1547478824;asciilifeform;update : it aint hung, responds, but i have nfi how this thing ever auto-booted in the past -- the boot menu dun seem to have a timeout , wtf
1886821;1547478856;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: In the rack
1886822;1547478923;BingoBoingo;Please deliver instructions in #pizarro as I don't know how much log troubleshooting is going to generate
1886823;1547478927;asciilifeform;ok 1s
1886824;1547478938;mircea_popescu;well, if you feed it kbd it will turn auto-timer off.
1886825;1547478989;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: hrm, i switch this off in my installs, but this box is a BingoBoingo creation.
1886826;1547478995;asciilifeform;anyways booted nao, about to instrument.
1886827;1547479530;asciilifeform;update : box is up; loox like BingoBoingo hastily reassembled thing last night without the nic plug properly seated.
1886828;1547479568;mircea_popescu;you can do that ?!
1886829;1547479680;BingoBoingo;I forgot to plug the ethernet back in
1886830;1547479740;asciilifeform;haste makes waste, lol
1886831;1547479754;mircea_popescu;ic
1886832;1547479972;asciilifeform;i'ma cure the asinine grub keyboard thing.
1886833;1547480012;asciilifeform;( who the FUCK thought this was acceptable behaviour )
1886834;1547480025;mircea_popescu;desktop use.
1886835;1547480056;asciilifeform;yea cuz it's a-ok to have desktop spin 4evah on boot... lol
1886836;1547480080;mircea_popescu;making linux accessible to senior citizen drivers, whadda ya want
1886837;1547480525;mod6;mircea_popescu: I've only seen behaviour from trb like that when I've had some bad hardware.  In particular a suspected bad SSD.  I issue the 'getinfo' command and nothing, just hangs.
1886838;1547480547;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-14#1886835 << They just don't want anyone booting into the wrong version of Windows
1886839;1547480547;a111;Logged on 2019-01-14 15:34 asciilifeform: yea cuz it's a-ok to have desktop spin 4evah on boot... lol
1886840;1547480590;mircea_popescu;mod6 yeah but the disk is fine.
1886841;1547480606;mod6;My one node I've got now, is still on that bad hardware as I haven't found a new home for it yet.  Sometimes, if I just let it "figure itself out", it'll return eventually and be fine.  I agree though, would be nice to get to a root cause of this by some form of testing.  Hard to mimic the state, regardless.
1886842;1547480625;mod6;And by 'eventually', I mean hours usually.
1886843;1547480636;mircea_popescu;this had ~two weeks.
1886844;1547480681;mod6;Oh, ok.  Hmm.  Well, thanks for reporting.  We need to get to the bottom of that pile of weird.
1886845;1547480682;mircea_popescu;and bad ssd is unlikely to hit ~specifically one~ of multiple instances, as well as it's unlikely to occur while drive has free spare sectors to map to, and besides it'd be a first. drive's fine what.
1886846;1547480716;mod6;Alright, noted.
1886847;1547483727;asciilifeform;update : uy1 is up, i have realtime log going from it.
1886848;1547483739;asciilifeform;inspection of logs on disk turned up nuffin enlightening.
1886849;1547484341;diana_coman;funnily enough it seems I even DID port over jurov's page too anyway, lolz; it was just the uy1 down thing
1886850;1547484386;asciilifeform;update: aaand ben_vulpes (who is orig builder of UY1) didn't see it fit to build the k10temp kernel mod, so i can get cpu/chipset temps and ps voltages.
1886851;1547484393;diana_coman;just not the git
1886852;1547484397;asciilifeform;i'ma have to rebuild kernel on UY1 today.
1886853;1547484411;asciilifeform;will announce the reboot hour in advance.
1886854;1547484418;asciilifeform;anyone have objection ?
1886855;1547484458;diana_coman;fine with me
1886856;1547484483;asciilifeform;after we get to the bottom of UY1 issue, i'ma make sure that all iron owned by pizarro has asciilifeform-baked kernel in place.
1886857;1547484514;mod6;asciilifeform: good with me.
1886858;1547484639;asciilifeform;ty mod6 diana_coman
1886859;1547484845;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo et al : also i am getting multi-second ping latencies to pizarro (all boxen)
1886860;1547484865;asciilifeform;the debug session has distinct 'mars lander' feel to it
1886861;1547484923;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I am seeing much faster pings
1886862;1547484989;mod6;pings to 161.0.121.247 from me are: round-trip min/avg/max/std-dev = 194.551/195.055/198.219/0.723 ms - 0 packets lost.
1886863;1547485055;asciilifeform;mod6: 0.7s is pretty martian
1886864;1547485058;asciilifeform;and quite atypical.
1886865;1547485081;asciilifeform;well, moar moon than mars. but still.
1886866;1547485103;asciilifeform;i am seeing multi-second ssh keystroke delays.
1886867;1547485154;mod6;I don't doubt.  That seems off for sure.
1886868;1547485176;BingoBoingo;I'm seeing sub 20ms pings to every box I've tried so far except UY1. UY1 is returned sub 40 ms pings
1886869;1547485198;BingoBoingo;From habitation module, not the rack
1886870;1547485415;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: soon as this is done, i'ma graph the machine temps/voltages.
1886871;1547485459;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: plox to keep kvm hoses in until further notice.
1886872;1547485757;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: ty, will keep the hoses in until you give the withdrawal order.
1886873;1547485942;asciilifeform;ty
1886874;1547486588;asciilifeform;ACHTUNG UY1 users : plz prepare for scheduled reset in 30m.
1886875;1547487153;asciilifeform;incidentally i was not aware that UY1 uses grub (grub2 no less). grub is fatwa'd on pizarro-owned iron. i'ma correct this omission in a scheduled maintenance after we cure the moar pressing issue in re uy1.
1886876;1547488538;asciilifeform;attn: rebooting UY1.
1886877;1547488616;mod6;ty for the notice
1886878;1547488789;asciilifeform;update : sensor reader proggy nao installed on UY1, will set to snapshot erry 30s.
1886879;1547488902;*;BingoBoingo can see UY1 hosted sites
1886880;1547489172;asciilifeform;so far all sensor readings within range
1886881;1547489177;asciilifeform;and no peculiarities in log
1886882;1547489233;asciilifeform;all fans moving.
1886883;1547489301;asciilifeform;cpu temp 45.5C (out of 85 permitted), chipset 30.8 (75 permissible) (i'ma omit further reports on subj for nao, unless thing actually is found to melt)
1886884;1547489332;feedbot;http://pizarroisp.net/2019/01/14/pizarro-isp-update-january-14-2019/ << PizarroISP -- Pizarro ISP Update January 14, 2019
1886885;1547490206;asciilifeform;achtung pizarro subscribers : if 1 of you is running saturation test on the pipe, plz nao & in future ~announce prior~, ty.
1886886;1547490236;mircea_popescu;very unlikely anyone's doing such a thing. you're prolly being attacked or w/e.
1886887;1547490255;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is entirely possible, i have not yet looked in detail.
1886888;1547490269;asciilifeform;just nao wrapped up setting up realtime voltages/temperatures/etc output.
1886889;1547490355;asciilifeform;the req still stands tho.
1886890;1547490375;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if ddos, then nao as good time as any, it hasn't afaik yet been tested, how said pipe behaves under ddos.
1886891;1547490392;mircea_popescu;sure.
1886892;1547490435;asciilifeform;so far i've uncovered 0 that would reveal why box reset. but i expect before nightfall to find out, if iron is indeed misbehaving.
1886893;1547490489;mircea_popescu;what's the book on that ?
1886894;1547490501;asciilifeform;hm?
1886895;1547490509;mircea_popescu;i'd like to lay a bet :D
1886896;1547490559;asciilifeform;i hate to disappoint mircea_popescu , but i'm all outta sheep for the haruspexy room, so cannot give odds lol
1886897;1547490727;asciilifeform;now, elsewhere in conveyor :
1886898;1547490758;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-13#1886533 << this is not only troo but is how one tests a m-r ( you feed it known liars & known troofers for a particular N and verify output )
1886899;1547490758;a111;Logged on 2019-01-13 21:13 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-11#1886376 << with some caveats as to how "unrelated" (in the m-r sense of the term) those candidates must be, as it's entirely possible to generate an infinite set of lying witnesses for any composite number.
1886900;1547490788;asciilifeform;which is why mine reads witness as param rather than directly from rng
1886901;1547490801;asciilifeform;at all times operator must be able to verify that m-r behaves as m-r.
1886902;1547490833;asciilifeform;and indeed the quality of rng is 'jesus bolt' when running m-r in battlefield.
1886903;1547490849;asciilifeform;( recall, diana_coman uncovered various lulz re koch's variant )
1886904;1547490945;asciilifeform;i'ma detail this subj in the customary pedantic detail in ch16 article.
1886905;1547491007;asciilifeform;( readers should also prepare themselves for following proof of why m-r worx, i'ma not simply cite the lit )
1886906;1547491123;mircea_popescu;perfect.
1886907;1547491147;asciilifeform;re verifications, observe the general pattern in ffaism: i expect any serious user to have a private battery of tests to verify that his, particular, ffa builds, actually conform to the declared behaviours.
1886908;1547491180;asciilifeform;incl. the rng ( this is why the thing takes an arbitrary unix path for rng dev )
1886909;1547491206;asciilifeform;( yet aaanother thing that koch didn't give )
1886910;1547491258;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: observe that you can trivially generate an arbitrary-long sequence of liars for any composite N.
1886911;1547491378;asciilifeform;1 interesting maffs problem , is whether you can generate a sequence of witnesses that will tell troof of compositivity for ~any~ externally supplied N , up to given bitness. ( and as i understand this q is isomorphic to bach's generalized-riemann item that diana_coman dug up. )
1886912;1547491420;asciilifeform;we will not be making use of this approach tho ( it relies on conjecture . )
1886913;1547491498;asciilifeform;iirc there's a sequence that nails all composites < 2^64 . so could be handy for primorial generators ( vs. eratosthenes etc ) .
1886914;1547491513;asciilifeform;but again , not directly pertinent to ffalogy.
1886915;1547491590;mircea_popescu;it is, we had an entire discussion then
1886916;1547491598;asciilifeform;i meant bach et al.
1886917;1547491631;asciilifeform;asciilifeform's recommended recipe for m-rism still remains 'feed actual rng for witnesses'
1886918;1547492042;asciilifeform;( for folx who haven't yet read diana_coman's series -- the theorem diana_coman turned up, turns m-r into a deterministic ('aks but fast') test, iff generalized-riemann )
1886919;1547493522;asciilifeform;found the old mircea_popescu thread, btw : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-08#1722906
1886920;1547493522;a111;Logged on 2017-10-08 19:15 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform https://www.researchgate.net/publication/220161766_Constructing_Carmichael_Numbers_which_are_Strong_Pseudoprimes_to_Several_Bases (guy named arnault gave example of number for which all tests up to ~300 were misleading)
1886921;1547493710;asciilifeform;ohai Mocky
1886922;1547493751;Mocky;hiya
1886923;1547493874;asciilifeform;what's new, Mocky ?
1886924;1547493912;Mocky;fingers crossed maybe I get a job offer today
1886925;1547494147;mod6;best of luck to ya!
1886926;1547494179;Mocky;thx mod6
1886927;1547495760;asciilifeform;update re uy1 : 2hrs and no anomalous readings. ( will revisit subj later tonight )
1886928;1547496120;asciilifeform;in other vintage lultidbits, found while digging logs, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-09#1723504
1886929;1547496120;a111;Logged on 2017-10-09 16:39 asciilifeform: ... it follows that a 0.85sec 4096b modexp is all you need for a reasonable 'rsa phone' item.
1886930;1547500498;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/01/dna-pioneer-james-watson-stripped-of-chancellor-emeritus-title-over-afropessimism/ << Qntra -- DNA Pioneer James Watson Stripped Of Chancellor Emeritus Title Over Afropessimism
1886931;1547500854;BingoBoingo;Latest old man dekulakized
1886932;1547503241;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: ha, i had nfi he still had any epaulettes or buttons to rip off
1886933;1547503274;BingoBoingo;Well he had the symbolic "any key" that wasn't connected to anything
1886934;1547503455;mircea_popescu;"afropessimism" actually great coinage.
1886935;1547503509;asciilifeform;aka afrorealism..
1886936;1547503515;mircea_popescu;never anything else.
1886937;1547503604;mircea_popescu;i dunno why they're so butthurt by the ~statistical~ fact. just because average black is going to be dumber than average human doesn't say any one black person's gonna be dumb or anything like that.
1886938;1547503640;mircea_popescu;they're not very appreciably butthurt at all by how average whitey's gonna undertest average "azn" aka chinese.
1886939;1547503655;asciilifeform;there also butthurt
1886940;1547503662;asciilifeform;!#s qntra harvard
1886941;1547503662;a111;3 results for "qntra harvard", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=qntra%20harvard
1886942;1547503682;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-18#1826418 << item
1886943;1547503682;a111;Logged on 2018-06-18 15:51 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/06/harvard-exposed-systemically-discriminating-against-asian-applicants/ << Qntra - Harvard Exposed Systemically Discriminating Against Asian Applicants
1886944;1547503684;asciilifeform;& elsewhere.
1886945;1547503692;mircea_popescu;hm.
1886946;1547503707;mircea_popescu;i dunno, i guess my unexamined impression is otherwise.
1886947;1547503716;Mocky;they think in terms of nanny state policies and what policies statistical facts would imply
1886948;1547503788;mircea_popescu;but hence my objection ? turning a blind eye to all the chowdrys taking over bureaucracy while crying bloody murder over ~explanation~ as to why first black president === worst president ever ?
1886949;1547503824;mircea_popescu;something dun wash.
1886950;1547503841;Mocky;if they are gonna look at afrofacts, what next, look at femfacts?
1886951;1547503875;mircea_popescu;so somehow "you can't run for city council, you're not 2nd gen azn immigrant" not quite as threatening as "you're fat because you eat too much and never get off ass" ?
1886952;1547503922;asciilifeform;the chowdhrys are, as i currently understand, the vaisya/sudra-heavy wave of emigres & their nth gen, largely content with 'middling' ranks, the native usg.brahmin spawn dun want these
1886953;1547503989;mircea_popescu;so basically they imagine they're getting a buncha eunuchs outta the deal ?
1886954;1547504000;asciilifeform;same way they dun want into the academitardia racket ( when asciilifeform grunted in the ranks of said racket, was often the 1 euro face in the group pics.. )
1886955;1547504021;mircea_popescu;i dunno, at this juncture i'm starting to suspect attemtping rational analysis is eminently wrong approach, not like it's a rational process.
1886956;1547504027;asciilifeform;i was aboutta say
1886957;1547504036;asciilifeform;it aint clear to me that 'they think' is a valid hypothesis, period
1886958;1547504057;asciilifeform;they , in words of al schwartz, 'hind gut ferment'. they metabolize, but no thinking is necessarily involved
1886959;1547504058;mircea_popescu;set of fashionable howls.
1886960;1547504066;mircea_popescu;cuz they're a buncha fash dorks, what.
1886961;1547505118;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> so basically they imagine they're getting a buncha eunuchs outta the deal ? << I suspect this is an element of it.
1886962;1547505638;BingoBoingo;Then there's the trying to expensively defend cheap respect for "all"
1886963;1547508127;BingoBoingo;In other updates Pizarro www now has selection js in place when viewing individual blog entries
1886964;1547508165;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: confirmed, worx, a++
1886965;1547508354;BingoBoingo;ty for the confirmation
1886966;1547509480;asciilifeform;in other olds, 'The 256-bit integer q = (2x + 1)(4x + 1) with x = 0x400286bac15132db85b1c936709f369b passes 15 rounds of GMP’s primality test mpz_is_probab_prime_p...' ( Albrecht et al, aug. 2018 , https://eprint.iacr.org/2018/749.pdf / http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/3QLGp/?raw=true )
1886967;1547509558;asciilifeform;^ spoiler: gmp uses prng for witness gen
1886968;1547509625;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: after ffa is fielded, i'ma add gmp etc carmichaelisms to phuctor.
1886969;1547509656;asciilifeform;would be surprised if it doesn't yield a couple thou lulz.
1886970;1547509663;mircea_popescu;not a bad idea.
1886971;1547509730;asciilifeform;there's a 1024bit example in that piece, and coupla others
1886972;1547509787;asciilifeform;in other noose, 6hrs of reactor^H^H^Huy1 gauge , and 0 anomalies
1886973;1547509884;*;asciilifeform at this rate might end up adding a 7th lcd to the wall..
1886974;1547509969;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform do you keep a kernel hash or anything that'd expose a case of http://qntra.net/2019/01/el-chapo-allegedly-used-voip-had-sysadmin-flipped-by-criminal-fbi/ ?
1886975;1547509980;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: indeed i do
1886976;1547509989;asciilifeform;i can't picture that any literate folx don't
1886977;1547509995;mircea_popescu;and it's negative ?
1886978;1547510001;asciilifeform;to date.
1886979;1547510031;mircea_popescu;so canary yes,  k10temp no ?
1886980;1547510033;asciilifeform;i like to hash e.g. raid card biosen, etc., also
1886981;1547510066;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: so far all i know is that the thing rebooted without sanction, no fewer than 3x.
1886982;1547510071;asciilifeform;(in span of 2 day)
1886983;1547510082;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo reports intact seals.
1886984;1547510297;asciilifeform;even if i turn up nuffin in next day or 2, i'ma have at least 1 moar planned reset, see whether ben_vulpes remembered to enable eccism when he plugged the thing in
1886985;1547510325;asciilifeform;for some reason it is usually switched off by default on a new bios battery
1886986;1547510330;asciilifeform;( why , i cannot begin to fathom )
1886987;1547510370;asciilifeform;for comparison, the 1 time dulap-III rebooted without sanction, was in may, when BingoBoingo elbowed the mains cable
1886988;1547510437;asciilifeform;all machines of same type (varying only in ram/disk config)
1886989;1547510540;asciilifeform;relatedly, asciilifeform has a backburner affair where disasm of the particular 3ware bios , looking for lulz (to date found none, aside from it having a quite bulky cpp runtime lib)
1886990;1547510707;asciilifeform;so far the old proverb 'на ловца и зверь бежит' dun seem to play out for asciilifeform , somehow hitler dun feel like putting the delish booby catalogue items where asciilifeform's dirty orc hands can get to'em..
1886991;1547510761;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: so far all i know is that the thing rebooted without sanction, no fewer than 3x. << It breathes ever so slightly better than it did before the opening and fan check
1886992;1547510788;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: y'know , these things ~do~ like a ~yearly breath of high pressure freon
1886993;1547510804;mircea_popescu;i dunno, man. if i ran a moron empire with delusions of "pen devices" etc, it'd do precisely the sort of inept rebooting.
1886994;1547510813;asciilifeform;( in torture room, asciilifeform has an antistatic vacuum thing and other nice things )
1886995;1547510854;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i dun see wai not to bug upstream, but then again i dun work at reichskanzlei
1886996;1547510888;mircea_popescu;"it's not a truck" or similar reasoning.
1886997;1547510908;asciilifeform;i've mostly sworn off trying to picture the 'reasoning'
1886998;1547510914;asciilifeform;there's ~0 reason to it.
1886999;1547510987;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if we live to bake the fpga router thing, will be interesting to give it a ring buffer that'll hold coupla 100MB of frames, and dump'em to flash upon any unsanctioned reboot of attached irons.
1887000;1547511006;asciilifeform;oughta trivially capture 'magic packet' (under the old hypothesis that these result in fandango)
1887001;1547511122;asciilifeform;i'ma take the chance to highlight the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-14#1886752 thing -- on sane iron , there'd be no such thing as a 'oops rebooted but fuck if i tellya why'
1887002;1547511122;a111;Logged on 2019-01-14 04:15 mircea_popescu: i'd like a computer where i didn't have this sort of problem.
1887003;1547511186;asciilifeform;there's no physical or practical reason why the last million or two instructions executed prior to whatever fail, should not be available after
1887004;1547511215;asciilifeform;( on top of ram contents, etc )
1887005;1547511275;asciilifeform;1 of the 9000 sane things bolix tried, valiantly , to do, within the limitations of the period irons.
1887006;1547511361;asciilifeform;( had 'fep', a supervisor cpu thing, but not the 'remote booby' item presently extant in intel irons, but a thing available strictly from console, and 'crash' halted the main cpu and dropped you into it, where you could peek/poke, probe irons, etc )
1887007;1547511401;asciilifeform;fep ran from rom and could not be crashed other than by hand (or when iron is finally smoking, smouldering)
1887008;1547511673;asciilifeform;asciilifeform finds it fascinating that even satellites, moon buggies, etc. naodays dun have a 'snapshot state of iron if crash'
1887009;1547511682;asciilifeform;evidently it cannot be bought with moneys anymoar
1887010;1547511827;asciilifeform;apparently this is what you get if there aint a 'lavrentiy pavlovich' in the design loop.
1887011;1547511917;asciilifeform;imho if satellite 'oops it crashed and i cant tellya why', designer oughta get a 1way ticket to its orbit to go and debug..
1887012;1547512213;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in darkest lulzafrica, 'Today we’re happy to announce that Urbit’s address space, now called Azimuth, is live on the Ethereum blockchain... We want Urbit to be a reliable, durable, permanent computer that’s simple to use. Today Urbit is still a prototype, not a consumer product. But we’re making great progress'
1887013;1547512251;shinohai;"Buy our vaporware today!"
1887014;1547512262;asciilifeform;'that is not dead which can eternal lie..' or how did it go.
1887015;1547512264;asciilifeform;ohai shinohai
1887016;1547512277;shinohai;Heya asciilifeform
1887017;1547512357;asciilifeform;shinohai: nifty eulora piece. yer ahead of asciilifeform in that battlefield, i've yet to attempt building eulora
1887018;1547512428;shinohai;I still have nfi why the bullet barf, diana_coman says it has to do with proximity things. Hopefully I'll get some time in game to see if negative effects occur.
1887019;1547512455;shinohai;(Also have companion trb piece, but was waiting for mod6 's keccak regrind)
1887020;1547512475;asciilifeform;shinohai: neato. what didja do re trb ?
1887021;1547512612;shinohai;Haven't completed build yet since mod6 published, but have tried the old method which unsurprisingly went fantastic.
1887022;1547512623;shinohai;Cuntoo is simply a joy to use.
1887023;1547523477;mircea_popescu; /mode #trilema +b *!*@173-26-3-1.client.mchsi.com
1887024;1547525846;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-14#1886698 << those poor people, and what they had to do for a logarithm.
1887025;1547525846;a111;Logged on 2019-01-14 00:36 feedbot: http://bimbo.club/2019/01/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-april-may-and-june-1714-part-i/ << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of April, May and June, 1714 - Part I.
1887026;1547525870;hanbot;well, this is my 3rd iirc restart of znc in two days, slightly more interruption than the problem i started using znc on UY1 to fix posed. looks like no prognosis yet eh?
1887027;1547525870;lobbesbot;hanbot: Sent 1 day, 10 hours, and 22 minutes ago: <billymg> mp-wp patches have been updated: http://billymg.com/2019/01/minor-mp-wp-patch-updates/ -- the only \ No newline at end of file strings you should find in .svg refs patch are from before part of the diff (i.e. file diffed had no newline at the end)
1887028;1547527051;asciilifeform;hanbot: when was 'this' plox ?
1887029;1547527055;asciilifeform;box is still up
1887030;1547527080;BingoBoingo;hanbot: The investigation is ongoing. Other than the chassis interor being marginally cleaner than before asciilifeform instrumented the machine, answers remain elusive. Per http://pizarroisp.net/2019/01/14/pizarro-isp-update-january-14-2019/#selection-13.0-17.315 I am inclined to not charge any Pizarro shared hosting customers for the month of January though I am open to hearing other suggested remedies.
1887031;1547527117;asciilifeform;been up continuously since i set up sensors earlier today, and still alive, with 0 anomalous readings
1887032;1547527255;asciilifeform;hanbot: we dun know yet wtf reset the box ( and it happened no fewer than 3 times, in 2 day span )
1887033;1547527310;asciilifeform;hanbot: today i set up realtime stream of system log + voltages + temperatures + fan rpm to the torture room, was expecting to find thermal problem, so far 0
1887034;1547527402;asciilifeform;hanbot & other subscribers to uy1 : plox to inform asciilifeform asap if you notice ~any~ unusual behaviour on this box ( not only reset , reset will be obvious from here )
1887035;1547527435;trinque;conspicuous bit is various folks having moved their comms aboard uy1
1887036;1547527447;BingoBoingo;During palm touch tests before cleaning fans the warmest part of the chasis was near the RAID card, by a margin that though small registered on my skin. Do we have a way to instrument the RAID card.
1887037;1547527464;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it's in the log
1887038;1547527466;trinque;but you know, pattern-seeking primate amidst randomness
1887039;1547527488;trinque;ftr I don't need a month's comp for a few hours of outage, though a few hours of outage does suck.
1887040;1547527494;asciilifeform;outages suck, period
1887041;1547527506;asciilifeform;!#s how many bugs tolerate
1887042;1547527506;a111;5 results for "how many bugs tolerate", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=how%20many%20bugs%20tolerate
1887043;1547527554;asciilifeform;my fiber has 5-10 minutes of outage in a year, and ~that~ palpably suxx
1887044;1547527574;mircea_popescu;the one concerning bit is whether indeed pizarro still owns that box or not.
1887045;1547527611;BingoBoingo;trinque: My though on the month is that the money being paid for shared hosting is very real to our customers, and we lack a firm hour count on how many customer uptime hours have been lost.
1887046;1547527619;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this q can be asked re any box.
1887047;1547527626;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> the one concerning bit is whether indeed pizarro still owns that box or not. << This very much concerns me
1887048;1547527653;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well no, original box had a chain of custody, and a history of predictable behaviour.
1887049;1547527656;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: fwiw crashism is more typical result of failed diddling than working.
1887050;1547527670;trinque;BingoBoingo: signaling my willingness to pay, not my condoning of the outage.
1887051;1547527679;mircea_popescu;this stance is consistent with, inter alia, republican practice -- we moved variously boxes off providers who kept rebooting them "mysteriously"
1887052;1547527727;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i can't disagree, and am inclined to move it to cold spare when we get another crate in.
1887053;1547527749;mircea_popescu;and the coincidence is there, and glaringly. we know for a fapt inept http://trilema.com/2012/law-enforcement-never-fails-to-unintentionally-entertain/ efforts ~signature move~ is rebootage, much like olde smersh signature move was the clicking on phone line ; and as he points out, buncha people moved their zncs there.
1887054;1547527782;asciilifeform;the sad part tho is that if asciilifeform threw out erry retardix box that ever kernel panicked, would have none left in service
1887055;1547527827;mircea_popescu;is this a fact, eg the rockchips ?
1887056;1547527853;asciilifeform;i haven't succeeded in crashing a rockchip yet ( outside from the rotting usb ssd's affair )
1887057;1547527878;mircea_popescu;so then as a factual matter, if asciilifeform threw out erry box that rebooted "by itself" for no apparent reason, pizarro would be missing uy1
1887058;1547527886;asciilifeform;but indeed i'd much like to move to a 'near-errybody on rockchips' , ~these~ can approximate the ideal of 'treat irons as toilet paper, discard on 1st sign of rot'
1887059;1547527910;asciilifeform;this is a case where '1024 chickens' wins
1887060;1547527915;mircea_popescu;i confess i have nfi what makes you think commodity hardware failed in this case.
1887061;1547527945;asciilifeform;i dun currently have any notion of knowing what, precisely , failed
1887062;1547527948;mircea_popescu;outside of hard drives, and capacitors on OVER FIFTEEN YEAR OLD motherbopards, i have not witnessed this wonder myself, of failing hardware.
1887063;1547527959;asciilifeform;i have
1887064;1547527970;mircea_popescu;kudos to you, but nevertheless.
1887065;1547527973;asciilifeform;ram, typically
1887066;1547527988;asciilifeform;( why -- i do not know. but ram appears to age, possibly ion migration )
1887067;1547528027;mircea_popescu;but the ram in that box is as new as a kitten.
1887068;1547528036;asciilifeform;nope
1887069;1547528042;mircea_popescu;hm ?
1887070;1547528043;asciilifeform;the only new iron in the cage is the rk's.
1887071;1547528054;BingoBoingo;The solid state drives in UY1 were new
1887072;1547528060;mircea_popescu;i'm confused, you bought used ram ? i seem to recall a discussion...
1887073;1547528060;asciilifeform;and disks yes
1887074;1547528072;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 100% of the x86 iron in the cage is 2009-11 vintage.
1887075;1547528082;BingoBoingo;From what I understand the ram came with the chassis
1887076;1547528087;mircea_popescu;weren't you shipping a bunch of new rams to make it ?!
1887077;1547528088;asciilifeform;( can't speak for colo subscribers such as trinque , referring to pizarro irons )
1887078;1547528093;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: disks
1887079;1547528110;mircea_popescu;i guess i must've mixed things.
1887080;1547528110;asciilifeform;ssds are new, no one buys used ssd, it'd be like buying used toiletpaper
1887081;1547528126;mircea_popescu;but i mean... so you have ten year old gb ram ?
1887082;1547528145;asciilifeform;and 10yo caps etc
1887083;1547528172;mircea_popescu;i never saw a mobo bust a cap and then boot by itself again tho. besides, he'd see a busted cap i imagine.
1887084;1547528193;BingoBoingo;I saw no burst caps
1887085;1547528205;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1871 << typical example of when caps.
1887086;1547528223;asciilifeform;they aint always visibly burst, but i'm inclined to think this wasn't the caps.
1887087;1547528228;asciilifeform;( or it wouldn't come back up. )
1887088;1547528234;mircea_popescu;so to get this straight, your "most likely explanation" points to... ram failure resulting in kernel panic... twice ?
1887089;1547528244;mircea_popescu;(i think the third reboot was actually you guise, or not ?)
1887090;1547528244;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: jury's still out
1887091;1547528258;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 3 unsanctioned, 1 planned reset
1887092;1547528262;mircea_popescu;always gotta have a mle, jury can't be out
1887093;1547528305;asciilifeform;imho mle is still thermals.
1887094;1547528327;mircea_popescu;ie, a fan stoppedf by itself, and then started working again, by itself ?
1887095;1547528330;mircea_popescu;THRICE ?
1887096;1547528342;asciilifeform;not necessarily stopped, but obstructed
1887097;1547528367;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: keep in mind this was a ben_vulpes-baked box, i never saw inside of it ( dulap-III, dulap-spare, s-mg, s-mg-spare -- i cleaned with own hands )
1887098;1547528400;mircea_popescu;indulge me. so the theory goes that an event with a probability inferior to 1e-4 / day occured three times in two days ?
1887099;1547528416;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this observation merely begs the question of "why".
1887100;1547528420;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: never had a clogged fan on your watch ?
1887101;1547528429;mircea_popescu;otherwise, if you run it you own it.
1887102;1547528431;asciilifeform;box runs till it doesn't, then behaves rather like this.
1887103;1547528463;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i did. let me tell you how it behaved : box went down. upon reboot it went down again, in the following manner : every time it was rebooted, within a finite time interval (bout an hour). no exceptions.
1887104;1547528476;mircea_popescu;and then, when i went to clean it, i found it dirty ; as opposed to clean.
1887105;1547528485;mircea_popescu;the case here seems to strike out on both of these.
1887106;1547528494;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: didja happen to photo the internals when you opened ?
1887107;1547528498;asciilifeform;what did it look like ?
1887108;1547528517;mircea_popescu;photo or no photo. did you take your own weight in gunk out of the fans over there ?!
1887109;1547528570;mircea_popescu;i ~also~ find it peculiar your dc wouldn't have alerted you in case of thermal trip. because in general they have sensors.
1887110;1547528586;asciilifeform;waiwaat
1887111;1547528596;asciilifeform;dc has nfi what temp is inside our box
1887112;1547528599;mircea_popescu;the isle cooler tends to notice if rack x is spewing out 200C
1887113;1547528603;asciilifeform;it wouldn't
1887114;1547528611;asciilifeform;what's the temp 1m from a hot iron ? ~room.
1887115;1547528618;asciilifeform;yer speaking of 'rack is on fire' case.
1887116;1547528632;BingoBoingo;I took off a light layer of particulate. When I opened the chassis I found it matched the photos from when the FG were installed.
1887117;1547528643;asciilifeform;an overheated cpu is only 50c away from a working one.
1887118;1547528675;asciilifeform;( and a cpu is a ~1g thermal mass. )
1887119;1547528683;mircea_popescu;i suppose this is an academic discussion. in any case, i've had warnings re hot boxes from dcs before, it's not a wholly unheard of item. laser sensor costs ~nothing, and hvac management is 60% of what they do for a living.
1887120;1547528694;asciilifeform;laser?!
1887121;1547528723;mircea_popescu;w/e, the spot things.
1887122;1547528730;asciilifeform;aimed at what ? the outside ? you'd need a bomb calorimeter and whole thing in transformer oil, to stand any chance of distinguishing a frying cpu from a working one through closed chassis
1887123;1547528743;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if a dc were able to warn you re overheating cpu, they had root on yer box.
1887124;1547528757;asciilifeform;( and if this wasn't part of the deal you had with'em, oughta have a stern talk )
1887125;1547528760;mircea_popescu;man. cpu doesn't overheat in a vacuum, gimme a break already.
1887126;1547528803;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> i ~also~ find it peculiar your dc wouldn't have alerted you in case of thermal trip. because in general they have sensors. << There was a ground fault alarm tripped in the datacenterś fire supression system over the weekend, but the time doesn's line up with the beginning of this reset crisis.
1887127;1547528804;asciilifeform;overheats when, for instance, 100cc/sec of air is being moved when wants 300.
1887128;1547528824;mircea_popescu;you ever been in one of those parking lots where they have devices telling you how many free spots per isle/level, and red/green light above the individual spots ? without, magically, having a rod up your driver's ass.
1887129;1547528824;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: do they log these somewhere ? how didja learn of it
1887130;1547528845;mircea_popescu;same fucking thing is the case in ~every dc i eve rsaw, there's a line of sensors above the racks, and can tell whether box is working 30s, 40s or 70s
1887131;1547528856;mircea_popescu;thermal trip is usually >70s or somesuch
1887132;1547528857;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'is 3 tonne auto here or not' is very diff problem from 'what temperature is the red hot nail inside this 30kg crate'
1887133;1547528882;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I asked. If you have some targeted questions I will be happy to ask them.
1887134;1547528883;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that'd be for ambient air. if yer ambient atmosphere is 70c, this is called 'room on fire'
1887135;1547528890;asciilifeform;and the halon gets pumped.
1887136;1547528909;mircea_popescu;there's a discrete flow of air from each rack that they measure.
1887137;1547528957;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how wouldja distinguish via 'flow of air from rack' 2 cpus at 50c ea. vs 1 at 0 and 1 at 100.
1887138;1547528957;asciilifeform;?
1887139;1547528994;mircea_popescu;you'd just notice box went from spewing 50s to spewing 55s suddenly. or w/e.
1887140;1547529033;asciilifeform;i thought we were discussing the outrageous howler that 'dc would warn if 1 box in a 42u has 1 chip 40c over temp'
1887141;1547529049;mircea_popescu;not proposing this is foolproof or anything ; not strictly speaking ~impossible~ thermal trip went unnoticed.
1887142;1547529070;asciilifeform;i'd like not to lose the orig thread, re whether box was interfered with.
1887143;1547529092;asciilifeform;cuz that's a perfectly valid q.
1887144;1547529117;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what do you typically do with yours ? throw'em out after 1 peculiar reset ? 2 ?
1887145;1547529133;mircea_popescu;depends what i use them for, yes.
1887146;1547529143;asciilifeform;i recall there was a piece where mircea_popescu threw out a raid card
1887147;1547529188;mircea_popescu;but yes, i run systems which had 0 unexpected reboots, and i've thrown out components / replaced / redesigned systems over unexpected reboots.
1887148;1547529192;mircea_popescu;because what can you do,.
1887149;1547529193;asciilifeform;there's the 'what used for' q also. i'm still at a loss, i'll admit, re what is to be gained even from root on a box hosting blogs.
1887150;1547529199;asciilifeform;insert typos ?
1887151;1547529216;mircea_popescu;but see, it only started once box ~hosts zncs~
1887152;1547529229;BingoBoingo;And weechats. irissis
1887153;1547529246;mircea_popescu;quite well snapped to the peculiar idiocy of a certain band of peculiar idiots.
1887154;1547529246;asciilifeform;interesting
1887155;1547529266;asciilifeform;i'd much rather folx did those on rk's..
1887156;1547529292;mircea_popescu;i recall folks asking, and you saying ok, rather than "you know what... i don't even recall who made this kernel, maybe i remake it when i have time befgore oking this"
1887157;1547529308;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: box runs asciilifeform's kernel as of 9hr ago.
1887158;1547529331;asciilifeform;( going forward, http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-14#1886856 )
1887159;1547529331;a111;Logged on 2019-01-14 16:48 asciilifeform: after we get to the bottom of UY1 issue, i'ma make sure that all iron owned by pizarro has asciilifeform-baked kernel in place.
1887160;1547529339;mircea_popescu;do you suppose bios could benefit from a reflash ? if nothing else, to have thermal / crash logging as expected ?
1887161;1547529382;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i do. i actually bit my elbows after 1st expedition, that i did not include the necessary gear for this in the 1st crate.
1887162;1547529389;asciilifeform;it is on the cargo manifest for 2nd.
1887163;1547529397;mircea_popescu;"we dunno wtf happened, i guess to a certain mind events centered on jan 13th suspicious as fuck, we have a new kernel and we redid the bios just in case, dunno what more can be possibly done" is, or atleast i guess will have to be, acceptable.
1887164;1547529435;asciilifeform;( why needs gear ? because can flash even nao, but you want to get orig rom contents ~out~ 1st, for a good looking at. and then there is 'unbrick' event also. )
1887165;1547529456;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: acceptable for nao , but i'm inclined to make 2nd expedition sooner rather than later.
1887166;1547529469;asciilifeform;there's a list of itches that needs scratching and it got longer today.
1887167;1547529498;asciilifeform;( i suppose technically this is 4th expedition -- BingoBoingo orig pioneer, and then ben_vulpes . but asciilifeform's 2nd. )
1887168;1547529601;asciilifeform;incidentally manifest actually includes 2 FG units ( pizarro-owned ) . i had to fly'em back in april , if anyone recalls, cuz of ben_vulpes's misadventure where they were pawed by orcs for whole night
1887169;1547529623;asciilifeform;they show no signs of molestation, not only work to spec but rom untouched.
1887170;1547529634;asciilifeform;i reflashed'em for good measure.
1887171;1547529664;mircea_popescu;i don't expect they'd know what to do to those.
1887172;1547529669;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: incidentally asciilifeform nao has the necessary optics that for e.g. 'FG2' and fyootoor products, we can include signed board photos.
1887173;1547529672;mircea_popescu;biosen, however... seems to be the favoured cunt.
1887174;1547529686;BingoBoingo;I am inclined to get some sleep for the night. asciilifeform if you dream tonight of questions to pose to the datacenter re: their ground fault which mght be informative, please forward them.
1887175;1547529709;mircea_popescu;nn.
1887176;1547529713;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i'ma also sleep shortly, will letcha know if i wake up screaming with a wtf
1887177;1547529743;asciilifeform;leaving the temp/voltage/etc item running ( and will run until further notice . )
1887178;1547529750;*;asciilifeform bbl
1887179;1547529789;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: When you book your ticket expect more Spanish/Spanglish because I haven't had a sustained spoken conversation in English since early December.
1887180;1547530395;BingoBoingo;Before I tuck in I will say 3 is the lower bound for reset events. Based on mod6's original report I suspect more.
1887181;1547531686;BingoBoingo;Aite, before I tuck in asciilifeform I'll gpggram you all the trivia observations from the weekend trips to the rack to digest with a rested brain.
1887182;1547531713;BingoBoingo;!Qlater tell asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/0XG9Q/?raw=true
1887183;1547531714;lobbesbot;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
1887184;1547554372;lobbes;BingoBoingo: if it helps, I've noticed at least 4 resets (the top 4 results are my recent resets; times are in UTC) >> http://logs.minigame.biz/search/?q=Quits%3A+lobbes
1887185;1547564126;BingoBoingo;lobbes: ty
1887186;1547564305;hanbot;<asciilifeform> hanbot: when was 'this' plox ? << was my whim to start znc back up then after leaving it off for a ~day following http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-14#1886701 , no shenanigans implied. i suppose my wordchoice was unfortunate, sorry for alarms.
1887187;1547564305;a111;Logged on 2019-01-14 01:17 mircea_popescu: doesn't that look suspicious.
1887188;1547564640;mircea_popescu;check that out, they ~snap to the hour, too!
1887189;1547564889;asciilifeform;meanwhile, box is up without any interesting observations
1887190;1547564890;lobbesbot;asciilifeform: Sent 9 hours and 12 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/0XG9Q/?raw=true
1887191;1547564900;asciilifeform;guten morgen mircea_popescu hanbot et al
1887192;1547564924;asciilifeform;lobbes: 4th was with my own hands, new kernel emplaced
1887193;1547565030;mircea_popescu;heya
1887194;1547565208;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i am thinking : let's consider giving all uy1 users an acct on the idle rk , until uy1 is replaced and moved to cold spare.
1887195;1547565218;asciilifeform;they can put e.g. their znc there, at their option.
1887196;1547565228;mircea_popescu;can a rk actually run all that ?!
1887197;1547565241;asciilifeform;indeed can, it's a quite substantial box despite appearances.
1887198;1547565245;asciilifeform;(4 cpu cores)
1887199;1547565288;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: ~in addition~, rather than in place, of their current service, if it wasn't clear
1887200;1547565309;mircea_popescu;ah
1887201;1547565331;mircea_popescu;this is not even a bad idea, turn iffy situation itno "help drive rk adoption".
1887202;1547565369;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I'd like to hit the idle Rockchip with another round of contact cleaning first, but this sounds like a plan.
1887203;1547565382;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: plox to lemme know when ready, ty
1887204;1547565424;asciilifeform;granted i haven't unearthed any direct evidence that uy1 is physically sad, of yet. but imho this is Right Thing.
1887205;1547565538;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Will clean it this afternoon. Loving the marketing potential that yes, Rockchip will happily run many services so long as the RAM is minded.
1887206;1547565590;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: and disk.
1887207;1547565608;asciilifeform;for lightweight processes (zncism etc) it's ideal.
1887208;1547565794;asciilifeform;i'm still at a loss re why nobody makes rk, or for that matter any arm box, with upgradeable rams
1887209;1547565802;asciilifeform;remains puzzler.
1887210;1547565831;asciilifeform;( really, ohnoez, socket costs fiddy cents too much ? )
1887211;1547565977;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo et al : re uy1: if it continues humming along, as it presently appears to be, we gotta proclaim a maintenance window and properly stress test the thing, load cpu to max for coupla hrs
1887212;1547566001;asciilifeform;i'd prefer to do this ~after~ the rk is made available to the affected folx.
1887213;1547566206;BingoBoingo;This sounds like a plan.
1887214;1547566356;asciilifeform;it is also time to speak of the next crate. and the customary four cargo slots. 1 is to contain a replacement for uy1 ( and ideally will run cuntoo . ) 1 will contain a 1u that holds rk's. this gives 2 1u slots remaining, they can be occupied by colo passengers, if these stand up and wish to ride , or pizarro irons, at BingoBoingo's option.
1887215;1547566447;mircea_popescu;why not get moar rks in there ?
1887216;1547566457;mircea_popescu;they're not expensive, are they ?
1887217;1547566476;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: a rk + disk is about 100bux ea.
1887218;1547566481;asciilifeform;they aint unspeakably expensive.
1887219;1547566506;asciilifeform;a 1u can comfortably house 16, per my latest model.
1887220;1547566524;asciilifeform;i'm averse to putting moar than that on 1 ps however.
1887221;1547566550;asciilifeform;uy1 is bad enuff as 'central point of failure', would rather not create moar of'em.
1887222;1547566632;asciilifeform;transport of crate aint exactly a mars mission, when we finally drum up demand and fill up the rk's, next crate can sail in short order.
1887223;1547566642;mircea_popescu;a) there's nothing wrong with specialisation (and especially if you figure out how to expand the ram -- which a stock of these gives you incentive to do, ie, specialisation drives competence) ;
1887224;1547566654;mircea_popescu;b) the principal moneymaker for pizarro has been its booked stock of iron
1887225;1547566664;mircea_popescu;c) unlike commodity gear, rk never gave you trouble.
1887226;1547566665;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is correct, without iron, no moneys
1887227;1547566689;mircea_popescu;i meant, pizarro made more money as a financial vehicle, exploiting fx rates, than as an operator.
1887228;1547566708;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: we did have some headache with the ssd, recall. the new models are in place ( iirc errrybody but mod6 has been swapped ) and seem to run cool to the touch, per BingoBoingo's observations
1887229;1547566737;mircea_popescu;right.
1887230;1547566779;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: a rk + disk is about 100bux ea. << There's also a 4GB RAM model which would push the unit price up to ~150 each
1887231;1547566796;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: let's include a certain number of these.
1887232;1547566809;mircea_popescu;what are thery now, 1gb ?
1887233;1547566813;asciilifeform;2
1887234;1547566813;BingoBoingo;2GB
1887235;1547566826;mircea_popescu;amusingly, the 2 seems the better deal.
1887236;1547566833;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's why i bought'em
1887237;1547566841;mircea_popescu;aha.
1887238;1547566846;asciilifeform;they gave unmatched 'bang per buck'
1887239;1547566853;asciilifeform;afaik still unmatched anywhere.
1887240;1547566861;asciilifeform;( not even speaking of 'bang per watt' )
1887241;1547566872;mircea_popescu;" this gives 2 1u slots remaining, they can be occupied by colo passengers, will carry rk plants otherwise"
1887242;1547566878;asciilifeform;aha
1887243;1547566901;mircea_popescu;that'll take your rk plant to 6 (extant) + 48 additional ?
1887244;1547566913;asciilifeform;let's see if/what passengers appear in next week or two. after that, i'ma begin preparations for rk.
1887245;1547566921;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: correct
1887246;1547566927;mircea_popescu;starting to sound like an isp.
1887247;1547567000;mircea_popescu;needless to say, a "we're flyting over 50 rks, gotta fill these THAT WEEK, giving everyone 50% off for 3 months" media event / webhosting forum takeover / etc is de rigueur.
1887248;1547567031;asciilifeform;iirc mod6 has expressed a desire to fly the next crate. if he still wants, can haz; otherwise asciilifeform will fly it.
1887249;1547567034;mircea_popescu;gotta prepare both ends of such things.
1887250;1547567044;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> they gave unmatched 'bang per buck' << Especially when the MySQL storage engine is changed to the WP appropriate option
1887251;1547567077;mircea_popescu;~both ends~
1887252;1547567102;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: absolutely, the time to start beating the drums is nao.
1887253;1547567123;mircea_popescu;have a nice sale page, clearly communicate what's going on, drive to it. what do you have, like 6 weeks ?
1887254;1547567127;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> iirc mod6 has expressed a desire to fly the next crate. if he still wants, can haz; otherwise asciilifeform will fly it. << Given the ben_vulpes courier run I would like mod6's first trip here to be lower stakes. Couriering is a skill.
1887255;1547567172;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i dun think there will be such a thing as 'low stakes' trip, unless mod6 wants to take vacation on own coin
1887256;1547567188;asciilifeform;a pizarro-sponsored flight must carry max weight.
1887257;1547567242;BingoBoingo;Must carry max weight yes, but having more weight already racked does lower the stakes on subsequent trips.
1887258;1547567249;asciilifeform;as for asciilifeform , can go in mid march at the earliest.
1887259;1547567249;mircea_popescu;he has a point there.
1887260;1547567267;mircea_popescu;so nine weeks ? ample time.
1887261;1547567278;asciilifeform;and i'd really like, ideally, to not be the only one who knows how to do this.
1887262;1547567317;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo talk to the various webhosting forums etc (with whom you've build by now a relationship, yes ?) how much they want for a site takeover / w/e they do for the big deal advertising.
1887263;1547567326;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: This time, don't saw your toothbrush. I can put together a reception basket with human sized toothbrush.
1887264;1547567342;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: don't sweat the small details, just nao
1887265;1547567349;asciilifeform;the key end of the hose is the 1 mircea_popescu mentioned.
1887266;1547567352;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Will do.
1887267;1547567413;mircea_popescu;and sell it like things are sold, atm it's "just a rumour", mentioned here and there, drums up on the usual human-experience-exponential and so on. "anti-usg hosting", come up with some catchy.
1887268;1547567420;mircea_popescu;whole orchestra.
1887269;1547567457;mircea_popescu;"hilary's worst nightmare", use the woman's picture all ugly or scared or w/e.
1887270;1547567516;mircea_popescu;https://assets.rbl.ms/14235407/980x.jpg << no shortage o these.
1887271;1547567548;BingoBoingo;Indeed
1887272;1547567643;BingoBoingo;It's a relief to get the Pizarro conversation going again instead of having it stuck in just my head
1887273;1547567687;mircea_popescu;all it takes is asking.
1887274;1547567915;asciilifeform;oh hm where was that zombie fdr poster mircea_popescu dug up coupla yrs ago
1887275;1547567932;asciilifeform;imho would also make for pretty great photolul for ad.
1887276;1547568004;trinque;"fuck hillary" is way more relevant to your most likely customer.
1887277;1547568011;asciilifeform;trinque has a point
1887278;1547568027;asciilifeform;quite possibly the current gen of sadforum people, dun even know who was fdr.
1887279;1547568039;trinque;the "alex jones" crowd is losing hosting left and right
1887280;1547568056;asciilifeform;indeed
1887281;1547568079;mircea_popescu;yeah, whining about how "red pillers" or w/e the fuck si the term de jour for inept morons/exterminators singing "i have seen the glory of the bloodletting at the zoo" while driving their beat up truck not reading is one thing. make pretty pictures is another thing.
1887282;1547568085;asciilifeform;nao if they could also be persuaded to part with usg.dns... but i'd be satisfied to teach 'wash hands' , smallpox vaccination can happen after
1887283;1547568119;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the first fucking move is to establish yourself as a domain expert.
1887284;1547568129;asciilifeform;verily
1887285;1547568175;mircea_popescu;PART of the reason for 2nd para of http://qntra.net/2019/01/el-chapo-allegedly-used-voip-had-sysadmin-flipped-by-criminal-fbi/ ie guzman hiring an inane moron with a reddit account, is that guzman didn't have how to hire pizarro.
1887286;1547568178;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'm anticipating the whiners where 'you ~said~ you sell uncensored host, but they pulled my godaddy dns omfg!11' item
1887287;1547568188;mircea_popescu;what the fuck is a Cristian Rodriguez anyway ?! might as well be schmuck mcsmith.
1887288;1547568203;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so you explain it to them.\
1887289;1547568213;mircea_popescu;let them whine here, i'll fucking explain it to them.
1887290;1547568220;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo ^
1887291;1547568250;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: as i understand , the guzman thing was even lulzier, d00d was hired to run the ~crypto~
1887292;1547568275;asciilifeform;( in the empty skullcase of the orc king, somehow made sense to have a hired hand run his pgptron.. )
1887293;1547568290;mircea_popescu;where is he to learn better ?
1887294;1547568305;mircea_popescu;"you should have gone with pizarro" "i did this in 2015, where was pizarro ?" "mkay."
1887295;1547568325;mircea_popescu;amazon is fucked anyway, the time to break the usg.web is now.
1887296;1547568360;mircea_popescu;"here, whole conclave of morons ~can do absolutely nothing~". even if you lose money, you lose money in a way they're worth losing.
1887297;1547568382;BingoBoingo;"Starve Amazon/Google/SVCircus" copy tests well
1887298;1547568423;*;asciilifeform brb,teatime
1887299;1547568441;trinque;the "we slay incas" thing would do better with an explanation of wtf that means in-world
1887300;1547568460;mircea_popescu;short explanation. and short words, in big thick font.
1887301;1547568562;BingoBoingo;AHA
1887302;1547568570;mircea_popescu;me shall bbl
1887303;1547568585;*;BingoBoingo prepping for rack dive, excited by what follows
1887304;1547572269;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in world of entomology, https://archive.is/bJyyo ( piece re 'douchebags', where '...their earnings are equally depressing. The top seven participants in the Facebook data set averaged 0.87 bugs per month, earning an average yearly salary of $34,255; slightly less than what a pest control worker makes in Mississippi.'
1887305;1547573675;asciilifeform;and meanwhile, in sunken atlantises : j. von neumann, the afaik last fella to really invent anyffin in re kompyooting, actually devised an interesting application for fast unbiased rng ( which did not exist in his time ). can use it to multiply large numbers with near-total noise immunity, using only an 'and' gate and two comparators.
1887306;1547573738;asciilifeform;you represent the inputs ( any # of'em ) via stochasticizers, i.e. each 1 gets a comparator that eats N bits of rng and outputs a 1 if they represent integer <= the currently latched binary number, 0 otherwise.
1887307;1547573749;asciilifeform;then you feed'em all to a N-input AND gate.
1887308;1547573771;asciilifeform;the output is n1 * n2 * ... n_n , cuz you represented'em as ~probabilities~
1887309;1547573803;asciilifeform;then to get integers back out, you run the process in reverse, via another comparator. it converges to the desired answer in finite ( depending on rng quality ) clock ticks.
1887310;1547573900;asciilifeform;why to do this, may seem a mystery, until realize that noise immunity means that you can use very fast logic elements , given as you aren't much concerned with 100% accuracy over small time period, only convergence.
1887311;1547573926;asciilifeform;so in the end you can multiply e.g. 9000 8192bit ints, with a single gate.
1887312;1547574034;asciilifeform;1 of the reasons i put this in the l0gz is that when i went to dig, turned up that erry attempt to date to do sumthing nontrivial with 'stochastic multiplier' broke teeth against rng quality.
1887313;1547574118;asciilifeform;( if you have ~any correlation in the independent bitstreams , you won't converge . the academiderps tried to get around this by using constructed prng's, had the expected result -- buncha dead trees and 0 working devices )
1887314;1547574218;asciilifeform;it's an interesting 'upside-down world', where, e.g., addition costs ~moar~ than multiplication ( i will leave as exercise, how it is done )
1887315;1547574583;asciilifeform;( in case it aint obvious , you gotta scale the #s, otherwise a even a 128bit multiplitron will take 'geological' time to output 1x1 )
1887316;1547575449;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in a quite hilarious conclusion to the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-15#1887012 saga : http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1390&cpage=1#comment-19775 << yarvin throws in the towel.
1887317;1547575449;a111;Logged on 2019-01-15 00:30 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in darkest lulzafrica, 'Today we’re happy to announce that Urbit’s address space, now called Azimuth, is live on the Ethereum blockchain... We want Urbit to be a reliable, durable, permanent computer that’s simple to use. Today Urbit is still a prototype, not a consumer product. But we’re making great progress'
1887318;1547576507;asciilifeform;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/iXGlE/?raw=true << d00d's entire lulzpiece, snapshotted for the l0gz.
1887319;1547578508;asciilifeform;meanwhile, on uy1 , highest cpu temp recorded was 50c (10 hrs ago)
1887320;1547578633;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i am thinking we oughta install a simple mains voltage logger (i've witnessed in the past, brownouts which took out 1 box ( where current load at the moment happened to exceed what's in the ps caps ) while leaving dozen others untouched.. )
1887321;1547578678;BingoBoingo;This could be informative
1887322;1547578854;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i'ma dig re price & where to get.
1887323;1547578886;asciilifeform;fwiw i did notice, when peeked into other racks, that some folx had independent ups .
1887324;1547578900;asciilifeform;( unfortunately these are impractical to transport )
1887325;1547582276;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: on contemplation, this is yet another place where rk utterly wins -- it is possible to include a very compact source of backup power, survive fairly long brown/black-outs
1887326;1547582647;BingoBoingo;Indeed
1887327;1547582801;BingoBoingo;In other news I am satisfied the vacant rk is very clean. Our airflow sensor has also been blown out, tested and rehung on the front door.
1887328;1547582847;asciilifeform;a++
1887329;1547582883;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: we'll make accts on it by explicit request, from current subscribers of uy1
1887330;1547582924;asciilifeform;( invited to pgp ssh key + any particular reqs to BingoBoingo & asciilifeform )
1887331;1547582938;asciilifeform;plox do ~not~ use same key as on uy1.
1887332;1547582991;asciilifeform;rk is idea for low disk footprint items , e.g. znc.
1887333;1547582994;asciilifeform;*ideal
1887334;1547583123;asciilifeform;^ this is addressed to all uy1 people, i will not list'em explicitly, they know who they are ^
1887335;1547583159;BingoBoingo;Datacenter cat is also in good health putting fear into the flying rodents
1887336;1547583189;asciilifeform;also a++
1887337;1547583902;asciilifeform;upstack, gotta revisit http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-15#1887223 >> there's no economic way to expand ram on an existing rk, it's similar to the proposition of adding cylinders to an existing bmw engine
1887338;1547583902;a111;Logged on 2019-01-15 15:37 mircea_popescu: a) there's nothing wrong with specialisation (and especially if you figure out how to expand the ram -- which a stock of these gives you incentive to do, ie, specialisation drives competence) ;
1887339;1547583912;asciilifeform;thing brings out certain # of addr lines to the pcb, and nomoar
1887340;1547583988;asciilifeform;( and even if were spares -- whole thing is baked of bga ic, where even if you invest in reballing machine, you have good odds of thing never booting again if you move the bga )
1887341;1547584018;asciilifeform;that being said, i'd quite like a rk-like box with expandable rams. but it aint happening on the current budget.
1887342;1547584022;*;asciilifeform brb,teatime
1887343;1547590068;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-15#1887308 << this is very elegant, earlier statement of the whole "optic crypto machine" thingee
1887344;1547590068;a111;Logged on 2019-01-15 17:36 asciilifeform: the output is n1 * n2 * ... n_n , cuz you represented'em as ~probabilities~
1887345;1547590159;mircea_popescu;but tbh, the "stochastic convergence test" seems to me worth A LOT more than any bs "ent" ultimately meaningless "squares of pi" bs.
1887346;1547590174;mircea_popescu;it's a sort of m-r for rngs.
1887347;1547590228;mircea_popescu;(ie, you can construct an infinity of rng strings which'll make a given sct "falsely" converge)
1887348;1547590399;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-15#1887318 << keks. good you got out while it was still worth money.
1887349;1547590399;a111;Logged on 2019-01-15 18:21 asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/iXGlE/?raw=true << d00d's entire lulzpiece, snapshotted for the l0gz.
1887350;1547590966;*;mircea_popescu re-read the comment section, from back in 2013, chuckled at random moron who perceived he can write himself the option to not engage mp saying things at him because (some variant of) "they do not display the right formalism" right smack drab in the middle of a discussion about some magical means for ~machines~ to recognize equivalent-formalisms through... magic.
1887351;1547591051;mircea_popescu;stupid all the way down, what fucking turtles.
1887352;1547591235;mircea_popescu;how ~the fuck~ is "nock" gonna identify-and-replace-with-jets when ginko417 is manifestly incapable of the very same task ? (or rather, for they psychologically inclined : WHY is it ginko417 imagines dealing with a jet is "nock"'s job ?)
1887353;1547591259;mircea_popescu;for exquisite bonus lulz, "jet" is what a romanian speaking slut would say to a romanian speaking drunk moron in a romanian speaking bar, meaning "get the fuck lost".
1887354;1547592575;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-15#1887348 << better still , asciilifeform never ~paid~ any moneys for it
1887355;1547592575;a111;Logged on 2019-01-15 22:13 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-15#1887318 << keks. good you got out while it was still worth money.
1887356;1547592594;asciilifeform;( 'paid' a weekend to solve that olympiad thing, was all )
1887357;1547592681;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-15#1887343 << it's hauntingly elegant, and since finding out about it asciilifeform whenever going to sleep thinks 'hmm, how wouldja mod-exp with stochastic..'
1887358;1547592681;a111;Logged on 2019-01-15 22:07 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-15#1887308 << this is very elegant, earlier statement of the whole "optic crypto machine" thingee
1887359;1547592717;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-15#1887347 << not only this, but to date no rng has actually sufficed (i.e. sufficiently independent bits) to make the thing go in reasonable time
1887360;1547592717;a111;Logged on 2019-01-15 22:10 mircea_popescu: (ie, you can construct an infinity of rng strings which'll make a given sct "falsely" converge)
1887361;1547592744;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-15#1887345 << this is how i dug it up, actually
1887362;1547592744;a111;Logged on 2019-01-15 22:09 mircea_popescu: but tbh, the "stochastic convergence test" seems to me worth A LOT more than any bs "ent" ultimately meaningless "squares of pi" bs.
1887363;1547592790;asciilifeform;( and no it aint in 'ent' or 'diehard' or in afaik any pc rng tester, it moar or less demands fpga )
1887364;1547592844;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-15#1887352 << thing was broken on moar or less erry possible level, not only in the arithmetical model
1887365;1547592844;a111;Logged on 2019-01-15 22:27 mircea_popescu: how ~the fuck~ is "nock" gonna identify-and-replace-with-jets when ginko417 is manifestly incapable of the very same task ? (or rather, for they psychologically inclined : WHY is it ginko417 imagines dealing with a jet is "nock"'s job ?)
1887366;1547592874;asciilifeform;( recall the 'i explicitly dun want it to resemble bitcoin!' item, which then seamlessly morphed into 'we have merged with ethertardium' with somehow straight face )
1887367;1547593087;asciilifeform;'A bunch went to contest winners who solved a trivial Nock problem in 2010.' << didjaknow, trivial
1887368;1547593234;asciilifeform;btw didja know, mircea_popescu , that yarvin has an rsatron in there ? possibly will be remembered as the only rsatron gnarlier/buggier than kochs's, or even microshit's
1887369;1547593313;asciilifeform;i take a kind of perverse entomological interest in sad rsatrons. ( e.g.: bolix, interestingly, had a -- nonconstant time, of course -- bignum stack, but at least it was reasonably compact.. )
1887370;1547593381;asciilifeform;'No one else ever built a purely functional operating system' incidentally also false, the haskell people tried ('house') , with the expected result ( i won't detail, literate reader can guess )
1887371;1547593466;asciilifeform;'What will I do personally? I'll spend more time with my kids. I'll finish reading my 1911 Britannica – I am only on the B's. I have no other long-term plans. ... I am leaving not just the project but the field – no less than Satoshi, or Everett, or Rimbaud ... Will Satoshi weigh in on the next Bitcoin Cash fork? Did Rimbaud fly back from Ethiopia ...' << evidently d00d at least 'took the money and ran'. seems to have worked appr
1887372;1547593466;asciilifeform;ox as well as it did for esr tho, his www already for year or 2 contains a begtron
1887373;1547593585;asciilifeform;'Nock, Hoon and Arvo didn't really rely on anything from 20th-century CS' << lol, aside from coupla GB of unix/c liquishit, and half a GB of ~own~ c liquishit..
1887374;1547593595;asciilifeform;i'ma leave the rest uncommented, there aint much to add i
1887375;1547593596;asciilifeform;mho.
1887376;1547593836;asciilifeform;err, i can't resist a few monumental laffs :
1887377;1547593843;asciilifeform;'Urbit does not use the lambda calculus, an environment or symbol table, or linking. Because it pushes name resolution out of the fundamental interpreter and up into the language, it can play many more namespace juggling tricks. And its build system has no trouble including multiple versions of the same library.' << didjaknow this were a feature?!
1887378;1547593848;asciilifeform;that somebody would ~want~ ?!
1887379;1547593852;asciilifeform;( asciilifeform didnt.. )
1887380;1547593880;asciilifeform;or how about 'Long-term permanence means you can put your ship on a USB stick in a box for 50 years, or 100, or 500, and when you turn it on in a modern interpreter it will upgrade itself and work fine.' << upgrade itself!
1887381;1547593909;asciilifeform;or take 'Permanence also includes security. Except for the on-chain PKI, in which case you're trusting Ethereum, you shouldn't yet trust Urbit's security at all. Sorry!'
1887382;1547593938;asciilifeform;typical dog who shat on the floor, has moar remorse than this fella.
1887383;1547594394;asciilifeform;pons & fleischmann imho are models of respectability compared with yarvin. ( and wasted 9000x less time of thinking folx.. )
1887384;1547599075;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform by now the moron's studious ignorance is pretty much his only salient feature. same as that other y schmuck.
1887385;1547599186;mircea_popescu;anyway. on a long enough time horizon all socialism aka militant stupidity converges. of course yarvin merges with ethertards, what's there to distinguish them besides historical accident (ie, the exact converse of timeline, the thing time washes out)
1887386;1547599294;mircea_popescu;but rimbaud, keks. prostu' daca nu-i fudul...
1887387;1547599364;mircea_popescu;anyway, satoshi did weigh in on the first "fork". back in 2015. http://trilema.com/2015/the-news-in-brief-hearn-is-a-shitstain-mp-is-right-fuck-reddit-love-satoshi/ has the details.
1887388;1547599497;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: to the extent anons can even speak... i dun recall shitoshit ~signing~ anyffing post-'09
1887389;1547599514;asciilifeform;( come to think of it , i dun think i ever even saw a pgp sig of his coad turds.. )
1887390;1547599539;mircea_popescu;right ? it's an absurd standard, dood never did such while living.
1887391;1547599568;mircea_popescu;anyway, item quoted/discussed is authentic, precisely equally authentic to any pre 0.3 bitcoin version.
1887392;1547599601;asciilifeform;i.e. as authentic as the Shards of the Troo Cross lol
1887393;1547599614;asciilifeform;come to think of it, wtf did he even bother with pgp pub.
1887394;1547599626;asciilifeform;( what, if anyffin, was signed with it..? )
1887395;1547599667;mircea_popescu;~nothing.
1887396;1547599684;mircea_popescu;was used for encryption, not for authentication.
1887397;1547599727;mircea_popescu;(the view that gpg aka koch-rsa leaks bits via signature isn't entirely dispelled even today)
1887398;1547599728;asciilifeform;good % of pgp use historically -- resembled the medieval 'plague amulets'. y'know, the one where scrap of leather with word 'arsenicum' (cuz buying actual arsenic costs tuppence, and scrap -- one )
1887399;1547599760;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: doubt that it has anyffin to do with the reluctance to use it ~at all~ displayed by some pubkey-as-arsenicum-amulet folx
1887400;1547599767;mircea_popescu;sure.
1887401;1547599807;asciilifeform;( not even to mention the fact that -- rare, for a kochism -- the problem dun even exist in stock gpg, which defaulted to 2 subkeys, 1 for sigs and 1 for encipherments )
1887402;1547599826;mircea_popescu;this is why, tho.
1887403;1547599934;mircea_popescu;anyway, am i the only one grated by just how much of a cop-out this "kids" thing became ? "oh, im going to play with my kids, which is to say you're OBLIGATED to believe my life has some sort of meaning".
1887404;1547599945;mircea_popescu;i can play with some kids for the cost of a car ride to the park, what's that do ?
1887405;1547599950;mircea_popescu;some sort of accomplishment ?
1887406;1547599966;asciilifeform;it is difficult to dispell even the most outrageous lulhypothesis re koch-gpg. sorta what makes it 'speshul', what, 40MB of ???.
1887407;1547599996;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i suspect it was a veiled laugh-to-the-bank
1887408;1547600000;mircea_popescu;somehow these morons went from 1980s alec baldwin's "go home and play with your kids" alt-fuck you you're a total waste of space to curtis yarvin's 2020s "i'll go home and play with my kids", direct restatement of "fuck you guise, i'm going home"
1887409;1547600005;asciilifeform;'bahaha, idjits, i dun have to work'
1887410;1547600006;mircea_popescu;buncha fat useless dorks already...
1887411;1547600029;asciilifeform;esr had a similar one, where 'surprised by wealth' or what was it.
1887412;1547600089;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform none of them "has" to work, dood, wtf, they live in america, the gutter of all laze. that dorky moron who was "going to take over holywood", aka http://trilema.com/2014/i-hope-they-serve-beer-in-hell/ ended up shipwrecked in the arms of some jewish princess, raising her kids.
1887413;1547600127;mircea_popescu;if you look about, ~all these loud and "successful" narcissistic dorks end up in the ~same arrangement, rescued by marriage of convenience.
1887414;1547600148;asciilifeform;not speaking of work in herr newton's sense. or in 19th sense of 'useful commercial activity'. but in re 'show up to office & punch clock' one.
1887415;1547600150;mircea_popescu;!#s Andreessen
1887416;1547600150;a111;45 results for "Andreessen", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=Andreessen
1887417;1547600155;mircea_popescu;^ same EXACT algo.
1887418;1547600175;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they punch the juicer button or w/e it is cuckdads do.
1887419;1547600184;asciilifeform;ftr i have nfi re his marriage, iirc it wasn't to heiress or princess or etc.
1887420;1547600189;asciilifeform;some chix from oklahoma.
1887421;1547600208;mircea_popescu;i don't understand how these misfortunate kids are supposed to respect the human failures using them for props.
1887422;1547600216;asciilifeform;iirc a 'theatre slut'
1887423;1547600372;asciilifeform;yarvin wins a kind of triple crown of rot -- not only perpetrated the urbit thing, but to get the necessary 'letter from hitler', did a kind of soft-recantation of his earlier 'rezistenta prin cultura' blogisms
1887424;1547600374;mircea_popescu;teh withdrawal into biology historically works way the fuck better for women than for men.
1887425;1547600399;asciilifeform;( spoiler : didn't help him much moar than schrodinger's letter to hitler, had helped schrodinger )
1887426;1547600469;asciilifeform;for men, 'withdraw into biology' means , in practice, to feed the toe fungus.
1887427;1547600478;asciilifeform;a la 'human mushroom' rms.
1887428;1547600501;mircea_popescu;you recall that thing ?
1887429;1547600516;mircea_popescu;i wanted to put it on trilema, dun recall if i ever did or not, but anyway, quite the item
1887430;1547600516;asciilifeform;it was the man's shining moment!11
1887431;1547600527;mircea_popescu;it was something else.
1887432;1547600539;asciilifeform;happened on live public camera, afaik not the least bit disputed.
1887433;1547600550;mircea_popescu;was not disputed, no.
1887434;1547600685;asciilifeform;i cant speak for other folx, but asciilifeform's 'third eye' re rms opened on the day that he spat on that letter re glibc
1887435;1547600754;mircea_popescu;which was this ?
1887436;1547600768;asciilifeform;!#s libnss
1887437;1547600769;a111;59 results for "libnss", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=libnss
1887438;1547600814;asciilifeform;this was back when asciilifeform had nfi why trb wouldn't statically link, not yet found drepper's 'gifts'
1887439;1547600841;asciilifeform;but localized the boojum to 'libnss' (which turned out to be component of glibc, and not removable)
1887440;1547600855;asciilifeform;then wrote to rms; who gave 0 answr
1887441;1547600895;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-02#1083440 heh
1887442;1547600895;a111;Logged on 2015-04-02 01:16 mircea_popescu: "/home/stas/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/ourlibs/include/boost/asio/detail/impl/socket_ops.ipp:2900: warning: Using 'getaddrinfo' in statically linked applications requires at runtime the shared libraries from the glibc version used for linking"
1887443;1547600902;asciilifeform;iirc later , someone else among us ( possibly mircea_popescu ) also wrote, and d00d finally replied with ~'let'em eat cake'
1887444;1547601015;mircea_popescu;it'll be so fucking splendid to link a bitcoin without glibc jaysus
1887445;1547601038;asciilifeform;lol it's a 2015 closed case
1887446;1547601046;asciilifeform;( 'rotor' & descendants, on musl )
1887447;1547601077;mircea_popescu;great times.
1887448;1547601194;asciilifeform;point was re rms. trouble with the man is, i dun think he is stupid, in the usual sense, he appears to quite deliberately think that cultivated fungus on ~coad~ is a valid defense against 'microshit will steal'. hence gcc, autoconf, other marvels.
1887449;1547601228;asciilifeform;prattled for 30 yrs re 'four freedoms', but forgot '-1st' -- 'to fit the thing in head'
1887450;1547601261;asciilifeform;or, alternatively, not forgot, but explicitly rejected, i've nfi.
1887451;1547601329;mircea_popescu;my personal "this is a moron" realisaiton occured upon reading some nonsense about how "more fair" division of proceeds from creative fields was to pool all the results and issue them back out by some log function, ie guy with 1mn fans gets 6 units, guy with 10 fans gets 1 unit, something like this.
1887452;1547601336;mircea_popescu;it's not even wrong, it's simply anti-right wtf.
1887453;1547601425;asciilifeform;he has a number of pieces like this, and they contradict not only sense but ea. other
1887454;1547601441;asciilifeform;most of the material, i suspect, postdates the transition to mushroobm
1887455;1547601451;asciilifeform;it aint tryin' to make sense, particularly.
1887456;1547601468;asciilifeform;iirc mircea_popescu had a piece where 'empty people make noises to fill the void in their skulls' or how did it go
1887457;1547601481;mircea_popescu;yeah well.
1887458;1547601593;asciilifeform;rms held on to microphone long past his sell-by date by playing a sort of zhirinovsky against background of microshit empire. but iirc we had already this thrd.
1887459;1547601736;asciilifeform;( http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-09#1768064 , http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-30#1493483 , possibly elsewhere )
1887460;1547601736;a111;Logged on 2018-01-09 23:26 asciilifeform: dunno that rms actually ~did~ anything in past 20+ yr. the man is a living flag.
1887461;1547601736;a111;Logged on 2016-06-30 16:00 asciilifeform: rms is tragicomic precisely ~because~ he won't let go of fundamentally usgistic thinking
1887462;1547601790;asciilifeform;+ http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-29#1417904 .
1887463;1547601790;a111;Logged on 2016-02-29 03:00 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: you are still thinking of rms as a self-aware creature, having a thought process
1887464;1547601895;asciilifeform;finally found the orig, http://btcbase.org/log/2014-09-27#847970 , fwiw.
1887465;1547601895;a111;Logged on 2014-09-27 17:27 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: notice that rms will not speak of lisp to this day. the demise of lmi cut him off from the genuine machines (there was no possibility of baking one by his lonesome, or with his band of ragged dervishes, any more than they could launch a mars mission)
1887466;1547601968;mircea_popescu;if only soviet union lasted a decade or two more and had better notions re cs, he could have been so happy. imagine -- re-doing emacs FOR STALIN
1887467;1547602011;asciilifeform;stalin croaked in '53, and the battery he charged, ran down in '83 or so
1887468;1547602044;asciilifeform;i suppose he could be redoing pdp 'its' for gorby..
1887469;1547602059;asciilifeform;sorta what he ended up doing in reality.
1887470;1547602134;asciilifeform;managed to reproduce the late-sovok 'we'll make cheap broken clones of their shit! where you gotta reseat the cards nightly! that'll show'em!' engineering culture that asciilifeform's father toiled in. without even leaving his rathole.
1887471;1547602183;mircea_popescu;generational fashions are something else.
1887472;1547602224;asciilifeform;the 'well of stupid' is always right there beside chair , to fall into, whenever one 'wants'. no need to get on airplane or learn to speak orc..
1887473;1547603560;*;asciilifeform bbl,maffs
1887474;1547604120;*;mod6 reads
1887475;1547604668;mod6;Well, UY1 is still up, and looks like no causation found for the reboots/crashes.  Very strange.  Best to keep an eye on it.  It most certainly did reboot however.
1887476;1547604726;mod6;When I noticed that my blog, and hanbot's, etc were down... I logged into UY1 and found that it had been up for only 50 minutes at the time.
1887477;1547604755;mod6;Then I manually started up apache and mysql so the blogs would be back working again.  But then it went down again, perhaps 20 minutes or so later.
1887478;1547604787;mod6;And then when it came back up, I again restarted the services, and then a while later, it crashed again.  And perhaps another time as well.
1887479;1547604798;mod6;Thanks for looking over it asciilifeform!
1887480;1547604971;asciilifeform; mod6 ~30hrs nao, avg tmp. ~48C
1887481;1547604975;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-15#1887248 << Yeah, I kinda missed my window here.  I'm not sure when I'll be able to get a chance to come down there.  Perhaps sometime this year yet, but will look into it and discuss it again at a later time.
1887482;1547604975;a111;Logged on 2019-01-15 15:43 asciilifeform: iirc mod6 has expressed a desire to fly the next crate. if he still wants, can haz; otherwise asciilifeform will fly it.
1887483;1547604991;mod6;asciilifeform: Ah, ok.
1887484;1547605001;asciilifeform;mod6: not missed, contemplated flight is mid-march
1887485;1547605018;mod6;One thing that's been plaguing me irl for about three weeks here is the finding that I have a rotten rim joist.
1887486;1547605070;asciilifeform;this is painful repair?
1887487;1547605076;*;asciilifeform not expert 
1887488;1547605130;mod6;In short, yes, very.  Especially in the winter.
1887489;1547605149;asciilifeform;what happens if wait till thaws ?
1887490;1547605177;mod6;Even the house may need to be put on jacks to complete the repair.  I've been discussing with three different carpenters on how they would do the job and approximately how much it would cost.
1887491;1547605211;mod6;Needless to say, and I'll spare you all the deets, but it's gonna put a dent in mod6's budget for a few months at a minimum.
1887492;1547605234;asciilifeform;this sorta thing is wai i lease'em
1887493;1547605278;mod6;asciilifeform: Actually, it'll be better if I do, I'm sure.  Since all three guys suggest fixing this from the outside (thankfully, from the inside would be 1000s of more $), if we wait until it's warm there's a way less chance of breaking the siding on the house when removing it.
1887494;1547605322;mircea_popescu;wooden construction, this is the sad of it.
1887495;1547605333;asciilifeform;^
1887496;1547605338;mod6;Once the siding is removed then there might be an easy way to get at the outer joist and pull it off -- which runs the entire length of the frame along the base.  Now there could be more rotten in there, or it ~could~ just be the rim joist, but won't know until it's all apart.
1887497;1547605359;mod6;mircea_popescu has it.  brick & stone people.
1887498;1547605370;mod6;you'll regret it otherwise.
1887499;1547605387;asciilifeform;mod6: out of curiosity, what was the symptom that pointed to the item ? floor cratered ?
1887500;1547605397;mod6;:]  I was just about to say...
1887501;1547605404;asciilifeform;damn.
1887502;1547605434;mircea_popescu;well, wood has its place, but a) it's very knowledge-intensive -- notice how some shipwrights make ships that never rot, some others -- rot in a month. and b) by the time you're actually building complexly enough to even have rim joists etc... wooden construction's intended for hunting lodge not townhouse.
1887503;1547605487;mod6;This all started because we need a new door, it's old as shit, and all the weather stripping is bad, etc.  So of course, this isn't std door size.  So I paid some good money to have a custom one made to size.  When the carp came out to install it, the first thing he did was pull off one piece of molding, and stuck his file down in the bottom area where that joist is located, and it pushed right through.
1887504;1547605509;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: on top of this, you oughta see what passes for 'wood' in gringolandia..
1887505;1547605512;mod6;So I had him stop work right then and there, and then had to get the other carps in to assess.  So once the rim joist is fixed, then I can finally get a new door.
1887506;1547605533;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is what i mean. i saw 300 yo wooden construction, made by ro mountain folk. but that wood...
1887507;1547605540;mircea_popescu;im not even sure how they got it, tbh.
1887508;1547605560;asciilifeform;europistan used to have a++ wood
1887509;1547605567;mod6;This is true, if you have masters of wood, then you get high quality finished product, but this stuff is shit.
1887510;1547605569;mircea_popescu;evidently.
1887511;1547605584;asciilifeform;used it up, to sail to newworld, where... sad wood
1887512;1547605605;mircea_popescu;there's splendid wood in new world, are you kidding me ? no cedar can match redwood.
1887513;1547605614;mircea_popescu;except, of course, if every pleb got redwood house...
1887514;1547605624;asciilifeform;afaik ~nuffin built from redwood
1887515;1547605637;mircea_popescu;rich people's parquet.
1887516;1547605641;asciilifeform;certainly nuffin asciilifeform ever likely to set foot in, at any rate
1887517;1547605643;asciilifeform;yea
1887518;1547605666;mod6;Some of the log cabins that I've seen in the US are pretty nice tbh, but they need maint!  Need to be scraped & stained every few years, etc.
1887519;1547605687;mod6;"If you take care of her, she takes care of you" or something.
1887520;1547605722;mod6;Anyway, my original plan was actually to go down to UY this week.
1887521;1547605741;asciilifeform;it was never obv to asciilifeform wai usa builds from rubbish wood + cardboard + aluminum rather than ferrocement like other sovshitholes
1887522;1547605746;asciilifeform;mod6: oh hey
1887523;1547605759;mircea_popescu;https://www.muzeul-etnografic.ro/ro/obiective-muzeale << sampler. apparently this exists online.
1887524;1547605774;mod6;But I put that all aside back in November.  And then the whole door/joist thing started.  But I'll look into when I might be able to get it together, but may be even after alf's time frame.  However, will advise as soon as I know.
1887525;1547605810;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i went to 'banat' mus. but i think it was a shoemaker-era eszats
1887526;1547605817;mircea_popescu;took chet there personally ; she got to touch everything ; at the end hands so full of splinters i spent an hour digging them out.
1887527;1547605820;asciilifeform;*ersatz
1887528;1547605862;mircea_popescu;"Joagăr hidraulic" = water powered sawmill
1887529;1547605868;asciilifeform;at banat there was buncha vintage wooden tech, milling gears etc
1887530;1547605921;mircea_popescu;right, hammer/splints powered oil presses, stuff like that
1887531;1547605929;mod6;Anyway Gentlemen, thanks for listening.  Wanted to stop in and let you know I was reading logs while I could today -- I'm running on nil sleep and today was like an 18 hour day.  So I'm gonna drop out and get some rest.
1887532;1547605942;asciilifeform;mod6: goto bed pleez
1887533;1547605957;mod6;I'll stop back in tomorrow when I have the chance.  :]  Have a good evening.
1887534;1547605967;asciilifeform;nighty mod6
1887535;1547605995;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform because they don't believe in the oppresive multi-generartional patriarchal home.
1887536;1547605998;mircea_popescu;"they wanna be free"
1887537;1547606008;mircea_popescu;"freedom" of the hallucinated optionality flavour has costs.
1887538;1547606016;asciilifeform;flea as in fleadom.
1887539;1547606165;asciilifeform;it's hilarious, the hovel i'm in, at least has steel frames. nearby they recently built whole street of 100% cardboard/plastic , 'ONLY low 800s!' reads the billboard. 800k orcbux, that is.
1887540;1547606205;mircea_popescu;wtf.
1887541;1547606237;mircea_popescu;worse deal than "a college education"
1887542;1547606240;asciilifeform;that fresh pile o'printola gotta go somewhere, neh
1887543;1547606249;asciilifeform;and that's apparently where.
1887544;1547612418;hanbot;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-13#1886473 << wd! i signed it, sitting in yer mod queue.
1887545;1547612418;a111;Logged on 2019-01-13 17:54 billymg: !Q later tell hanbot mp-wp patches have been updated: http://billymg.com/2019/01/minor-mp-wp-patch-updates/ -- the only "\ No newline at end of file" strings you should find in .svg refs patch are from before part of the diff (i.e. file diffed had no newline at the end)
1887546;1547612451;hanbot;!!rate billymg 1 Thorough MP-WP patchworker.
1887547;1547612454;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/OwcBB/?raw=true
1887548;1547612486;hanbot;!!v EE0016B4A5AB8EF600208A336B83295A960522F6353552B289B87DE1B6574A49
1887549;1547612487;deedbot;hanbot rated billymg 1 << Thorough MP-WP patchworker.
1887550;1547630472;*;jurov has some particle board ceilings on otherwise brick house. it's so incredibly shitty material - when bolted small light LED lamps on it, one fell out later :/
1887551;1547647383;asciilifeform;meanwhile, uy1 up (1 day + 20h ) , avg temp for last 12 hr : 52C
1887552;1547647420;asciilifeform;current 52.0C cpu, chipset 31.8C
1887553;1547647622;asciilifeform;incidentally : raid verify is set for midnight saturday. which iirc was the time of the first reset.
1887554;1547647738;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i'ma include 2 spare raid controllers in the cargo, iirc our spare pile of these was depleted
1887555;1547647772;asciilifeform;( they are cheap )
1887556;1547648800;shinohai;!!key diana_coman
1887557;1547648801;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/E72DCCB73A5E06694C5CD781D5196EE6390F999E.asc
1887558;1547650562;billymg;hanbot: approved the comment, ty!
1887559;1547650778;billymg;trinque: i made a deposit on sunday in order to cover my pizarro invoice but it's not showing up in my balance yet. i'm not in a hurry but curious about the status of it
1887560;1547651923;mircea_popescu;evidently raid arrays made out of particle board
1887561;1547652196;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: That sounds solid. If the cargo is 48 Rockchips 1U of server and 1U+ of spare parts, that's still 4U of material.
1887562;1547653208;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-16#1887514 << In order of structural value: Spruce (not in the botanical sense), Douglas Fir (also not in the Botanical sense), and Southern Yellow pine are usually the options in contemporary US building. None of these woods like ground contact, and yet all they get to prep them for ground contact is a soak in some copper salts. After 10-20 years when the salts wash out the sill plate will turn into sponge.
1887563;1547653208;a111;Logged on 2019-01-16 02:27 asciilifeform: afaik ~nuffin built from redwood
1887564;1547653271;BingoBoingo;The only reason mod6's sill plate problem is exceptional is someone looked at his sill plate. In USistan most people don't know they have the sill plate problem because they never look.
1887565;1547653666;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-16#1887550 << You want the kind of expanding anchor that mushrooms into a giant claw on the other side. I don't know what they are called here yet, but in old country "Molly bolt" was the term.
1887566;1547653666;a111;Logged on 2019-01-16 09:21 jurov has some particle board ceilings on otherwise brick house. it's so incredibly shitty material - when bolted small light LED lamps on it, one fell out later :/
1887567;1547653714;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there's exactly 1 (iron, vs 'winmodem') raid card maker, so it's a 'best horse from glue factory'. has been like this for 20y.
1887568;1547653728;asciilifeform;and imho it's annoying.
1887569;1547653758;asciilifeform;it's 1 of 9000 items that could use a fire lit under the vendor's arse.
1887570;1547653824;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: no moar than 16 rk can be comfortably fit in 1u.
1887571;1547653834;BingoBoingo;Ah, 36 then
1887572;1547653842;asciilifeform;36 if we bake 3 of'em, correct
1887573;1547653863;BingoBoingo;Ah, 32 then
1887574;1547653874;asciilifeform;err, 2
1887575;1547653893;asciilifeform;16 x n .
1887576;1547653909;mircea_popescu;who the fuck builds out of pine.
1887577;1547653926;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: amerisads, who.
1887578;1547653957;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Pine grows fast and is therefore 'cheap'
1887579;1547653993;asciilifeform;phunphakt: bamboo grows wild in washingtonistan.
1887580;1547654000;asciilifeform;i'm surprised they dun build from ~that~ yet.
1887581;1547654004;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo but yes, i guess if you put it out there i have no choice but to spell it out : of ~fucking course~ the carpenter "sticks his file in there". it's a sales gimmick, like the new york electrician pointing out to people they gotta pay him a billion to "bring the buildingto spec" because "otherwise he has to report them" because "otherwise he loses his own license". because we're supposed to not notice the whole mob-e
1887582;1547654004;mircea_popescu;ra new york is organized around strong-arming and then charging "for protection" the independent moron, aka hayseed immigrant.
1887583;1547654041;mircea_popescu;and yes mod6 is the mark of all time, always ready to pay for such a superficial and self-evident scam. cuz he's a well bred midwestern man whom you can't help but love (notwithstanding the cockroaches can't help but fleece).
1887584;1547654137;BingoBoingo;Anyways, once the house gets jacked they are going to find more problems where the water wicked up from the sill plate.
1887585;1547654159;mircea_popescu;this reminds me of how gypsy teams "fix cheaply the roof" in the old country.
1887586;1547654194;BingoBoingo;And once they drop the house back down with new wood at best it has another 20 years before someone shanks the sill plate again.
1887587;1547654195;mircea_popescu;except apparently gypsies don't grow fast enough for the us, notwithstanding they marry the girls once they bleed. so the locals build out of pine and then charge to fix it.
1887588;1547654210;asciilifeform;this reminds asciilifeform of that 1 time he went to 'dealership' ( the takata recall, phree new grenad^H^H^Hbags ) . they bring what looks like bill. a : 'waitasec, 10k?! whole bucket not worth 5' monkey:'SUGGESTED repairs'
1887589;1547654283;asciilifeform;sent'em to pound sand. 7yr later, bucket -- still runs (only part changed at all -- dynamo)
1887590;1547654303;BingoBoingo;If you're replacing the sill plate might as well raise the concrete foundation so the sill sits further from gound level and all of a sudden the concrete cabin out in Cerro start to look like a good alternative.
1887591;1547654311;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i have the converse problem. alternator dies on road, /me takes car back to (otherwise very competent, and very able) independent mechanic who charged 75 an hour for tools and labour to find what needs changing and then install mp's parts (75 CENTS!!!). "why the fuck was not this on the bill ?" "ah, it wasn't really broken yet, still hung on a thread".
1887592;1547654316;mircea_popescu;"do not fucking ever do that again."
1887593;1547654354;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu makes me question the fabled indestructibility of german auto!11
1887594;1547654381;mircea_popescu;you should question the fabled quality of costa rican road.
1887595;1547654389;mircea_popescu;human people regularly shit it on contact.
1887596;1547654396;asciilifeform;was about to say, mircea_popescu runs'em in martian conditions
1887597;1547654422;mircea_popescu;last trip did ~50 mi through gravel road. you even have those back in pinehouse lands ?
1887598;1547654433;asciilifeform;not so many in east usa
1887599;1547654436;asciilifeform;moar of a sovok thing
1887600;1547654463;mircea_popescu;i was really contemplating getting the car jacked on those APC tyres they had back in soviet days.
1887601;1547654479;asciilifeform;i used to assume mircea_popescu had a gelandewagen
1887602;1547654513;asciilifeform;that, or sumthing with caterpillars
1887603;1547654513;mircea_popescu;nah
1887604;1547654544;mircea_popescu;http://www.armyrecognition.com/images/stories/east_europe/romania/wheeled_vehicle/tab-77_pcoma/Tab-77_pcoma_wheeled_armoured_vehicle_artillery_observation_post_Romania_Romanian_army_640.jpg << one of these i should get
1887605;1547654559;mircea_popescu;"artillery observation post" my foot, it's jungle adventure vehicle.
1887606;1547654564;asciilifeform;loox ideal for the terrain pictured in mircea_popescu's phototours
1887607;1547654591;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's ~= sov БТР-80
1887608;1547654602;mircea_popescu;you know ? maybe the girls recount sometime that night i nearly drove through a washed out road.
1887609;1547654623;*;asciilifeform sings, '...Наш начальник, грозный мужевер, Заставляет спать нас в БТР...'
1887610;1547654626;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha. tech transferred for i don't recall what economic deal in the 70s
1887611;1547654693;asciilifeform;( https://archive.is/r3VwB << whole lyrics, for the aficionado, traditional )
1887612;1547654723;mircea_popescu;it's a pretty sweet item, except for one point : its twin engines together less power than bartholomew.
1887613;1547654752;mircea_popescu;should be at least 7-8x, considering what "redundancy" means and how heavy the shit is.
1887614;1547654779;asciilifeform;sounds like you want a jagdtiger, lol
1887615;1547654800;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in other lulz : in 80s ro was actually making the btr-80 for east germany export. because russkis found it cheaper to license than to manufacture, and the ro had stolen it already anyway.
1887616;1547654833;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: pretty typical; consider why ro and ddr 'z80' still found in ru fleamarkets
1887617;1547654908;mircea_popescu;(your http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-08#1885908 courtly comment, which is factually untrue -- ru 5-6x the headcount, sparked some investigation that turned up a buncha lulz like that. turns out mid 80s soviet was INCREDIBLY weak and complacent, for some fucking reason.)
1887618;1547654908;a111;Logged on 2019-01-08 18:06 asciilifeform: ( and for all i know, ro actually involved moar 'turkeydollar', as by mircea_popescu's and other accts was 'tighter ship' )
1887619;1547654950;mircea_popescu;it wasn't ~just~ leadership that gave up, let gorby in. i suspect it was just about everyone capitulating by 1985
1887620;1547654953;asciilifeform;from mid-'80s sovok was just short of dead, from industrial pov
1887621;1547655000;mircea_popescu;but it seems a hr sorta death.
1887622;1547655049;asciilifeform;well what else kind of death could it've been -- there wasn't a foreign invasion in '80s
1887623;1547655055;asciilifeform;so noshit 'hr death'
1887624;1547655059;mircea_popescu;machinery. like africa died in the 90s.
1887625;1547655082;mircea_popescu;people exactly 100% as african as before -- but capital investment fell off cliff in 80s and never recovered
1887626;1547655113;mircea_popescu;by '99 -- http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-01#1575489
1887627;1547655113;a111;Logged on 2016-12-01 13:07 asciilifeform: largely because of the 'don't clean the air filter' tale mircea_popescu told asciilifeform et al on the shore in buenos aires
1887628;1547655120;asciilifeform;machines ran for so long as foreign hands were on site to run'em, neh
1887629;1547655127;asciilifeform;so in what sense were they african.
1887630;1547655128;mircea_popescu;well at least to do the maintenance.
1887631;1547655131;asciilifeform;aha
1887632;1547655139;mircea_popescu;in the sense of flying their colorful if meaningless flags.
1887633;1547655158;asciilifeform;my fave is the 1 with kalash
1887634;1547655163;asciilifeform;( is that still current..? )
1887635;1547655165;mircea_popescu;in what sense was btr russian ? there's only so many ways you can do armored vehicle.
1887636;1547655208;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in the sense that drafted in moscow, built in petrozavodsk or wherever, maintained by ru conscripts under whip
1887637;1547655224;mircea_popescu;can you tell this by looking at it ?
1887638;1547655249;asciilifeform;i did just this earlier in thread , neh
1887639;1547655270;asciilifeform;'hey that's a btr80!'
1887640;1547655286;mircea_popescu;hehe, you did ~the reverse~. you looked at item that looked like the item has to look and went "well, russki is like item does", not "item is like russki does"
1887641;1547655319;asciilifeform;there's 'national colour' to certain designs, e.g. the israelis really like flat, squat tanks for some reason
1887642;1547655327;asciilifeform;but aside from that yes, knife and fork are same errywhere
1887643;1547655354;mircea_popescu;by same token, moon landing is not american, american is moon landing. a moon landing's just like a moon landing is, your lookup table consists of "who did that ?" not of "what'd this doing indicate". without preloaded history, you wouldn't know.
1887644;1547655362;mircea_popescu;replace sputnik for moon landing, same result.
1887645;1547655370;asciilifeform;ok in that sense yea
1887646;1547655374;mircea_popescu;"same reason" being that desert.
1887647;1547655399;mircea_popescu;some*
1887648;1547655421;asciilifeform;funnily enuff i still think of tank (in 'platonic' sense) as a vaguely germanic item, despite being brit invention and sov 'killer app'
1887649;1547655431;mircea_popescu;do you know why ?
1887650;1547655437;asciilifeform;!#s tigerfibel
1887651;1547655438;a111;10 results for "tigerfibel", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=tigerfibel
1887652;1547655441;asciilifeform;^ prolly why
1887653;1547655453;mircea_popescu;i have an alternate theory, but im not sure you wanna hear it.
1887654;1547655457;asciilifeform;let's
1887655;1547655472;mircea_popescu;germans did to platonic tank the wrong thing that you like doing.
1887656;1547655483;asciilifeform;gilding the lily ?
1887657;1547655490;asciilifeform;this is actually the traditional narrative re 'tiger'
1887658;1547655497;mircea_popescu;they made it too big, overengineered, "what if i was the last man and this was the last tank" otherwordly consideration.
1887659;1547655515;asciilifeform;right, it's famous cautionary tale for engineer.
1887660;1547655516;mircea_popescu;russkis just went "how about if that abandoned tachanka people take cover to shoot from behind was motorized"
1887661;1547655637;asciilifeform;there's a second half to that parable tho. which is that german tank/mg/various were not only expensive, but complex.
1887662;1547655649;mircea_popescu;of course, in fairness, there's some hidden lulz in there : turns out tank ~seems~ perfect assault weapon, but ~in fact~ is perfect infantry support weapon. which is why t-34 won over both kv and tiger ; and why the best use of tanks came from north africa, where there being no "armored positions to storm", tanks could be used correctly (if uncomprehendingly) by the germans too.
1887663;1547655656;asciilifeform;( with mechanical object these tend to coincide )
1887664;1547655667;mircea_popescu;i said "overengineered" specifically.
1887665;1547655681;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: funnily enuff the lesson was obvious to... hannibal ( who had 'meat tank' )
1887666;1547655695;mircea_popescu;turns out the correct cut lay so close to "don't bother", russki not-even-replaceable-parts accidental constructs were closer than the finely zeiss'd german items
1887667;1547655706;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so it was!
1887668;1547655717;asciilifeform;in all fairness 34 had perfectly-replaceable parts.
1887669;1547655730;mircea_popescu;by 1945.
1887670;1547655737;asciilifeform;so much so that in the ukr wars a couple were taken down from monuments, and made to run.
1887671;1547655753;asciilifeform;44.
1887672;1547655764;mircea_popescu;yeah well.
1887673;1547655993;asciilifeform;interestingly from the light of the 'tiger is a bolix' narrative, it was a quite close match despite the overengineer.
1887674;1547656030;asciilifeform;1 tiger is said to have been match for 2-3 34. problem for germans is that they brought 5,6 per.
1887675;1547656075;asciilifeform;( and, recall, the match ended when germany ran out of petrol, rather than tank )
1887676;1547656203;asciilifeform;the especially lulzy aspect of the finale, is that germans themselves invented the faustpatrone , the very same item that makes tank such a limited worth item today
1887677;1547656215;mircea_popescu;this then illustrates a principal line that constructs my http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881924 ; to go with other main http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-20#1882318 and i think there;s maybe 2 or 3 more and that's it.
1887678;1547656215;a111;Logged on 2018-12-19 19:31 mircea_popescu: phf i expect the accumulated value of the whole pile of "secrets" is about 0. and i further expect the entire value of the whole bolix stack neatly approximates the value of my stock of pogos.
1887679;1547656215;a111;Logged on 2018-12-20 00:44 mircea_popescu: ~if~ those people were smart enough to build the item you describe, the ~reasonable expectation~ is they'd have been smart enough to behave ~muchly variant~ from the ~actual way they behaved~ in fields much easier to observe.
1887680;1547656249;asciilifeform;to this i'll say, germany -- lost war; but i still like my 'zeiss' binocular etc.
1887681;1547656283;asciilifeform;( and mircea_popescu , seems to like his bmw )
1887682;1547656284;mircea_popescu;in any case, the problem in terms of "1 tiger is said to have been match for 2-3 t-34" is already misstated. the point is : marginal war gain per german soldier from tiger was like .1, marginal war gain per soviet soldier from t-34 was like 6.5
1887683;1547656294;mircea_popescu;THIS is what matters. the per capita productivity gain from capital investment.
1887684;1547656300;mircea_popescu;not "whose machine is spiffier".
1887685;1547656317;asciilifeform;the q of 'which machine spiffier' aint even meaningful outside of this frame
1887686;1547656333;asciilifeform;gotta count the losses as well as the gains tho.
1887687;1547656364;asciilifeform;in re the computational spaceheater wars -- the loss tally from 'overflowable arrays' is still a-runnin'.
1887688;1547656367;mircea_popescu;so in this sense, because the t-34 cost 18 units and provided 6.5 to 30 or so sovheads while tiger cost 77 units and provided .1 to 24 naziheads, we can resolve the matter : 18 for 195 vs 77 for 2.4
1887689;1547656374;mircea_popescu;no WONDER they couldn't make the shit fast enough.
1887690;1547656422;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform war is specifically this arrangement where you don't count the losses. who's gonna fine the victor for his more expensive tanks in terms of "wildlife-variety" ?
1887691;1547656439;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ought not to neglect the (explicit) driver of sov-style tech design : 'Солдат не жалеть, бабы еще нарожают!' (tm)(r)
1887692;1547656445;mircea_popescu;this is why people like engineering for war, too. it's a whole of a lot more fun to make a tank than a water boiler.
1887693;1547656463;asciilifeform;( attributed to zhukov )
1887694;1547656491;mircea_popescu;right ?
1887695;1547656603;asciilifeform;to take the extreme end of the stick : the best antitank weapon of whole war, was... japan's
1887696;1547656609;mircea_popescu;specific example of why i say war is fun -- not only losses don't count, but their replenishment consists of fucking a buncha women, whether they want to or not.
1887697;1547656616;asciilifeform;3 metre bamboo stick, with mine, contact detonator.
1887698;1547656627;mircea_popescu;not so clear why best, killed operator half the time
1887699;1547656631;asciilifeform;cuz бабы еще нарожают eh
1887700;1547656633;asciilifeform;~100% time
1887701;1547656662;asciilifeform;best from pov of enemy materiel : own materiel cost ratio.
1887702;1547656666;mircea_popescu;unbest for japan, they had very much sparta problem -- dead japanese not replaceable through usual process
1887703;1547656673;mircea_popescu;even moreso than dead german.
1887704;1547656683;mircea_popescu;the winner of cockroach war was... cockroach union.
1887705;1547656687;asciilifeform;this problem ended up nailing ~everyone~
1887706;1547656696;mircea_popescu;except for the soviets, the chinese...
1887707;1547656703;asciilifeform;them also.
1887708;1547656716;asciilifeform;only writhed longer.
1887709;1547656736;mircea_popescu;in the end, the result of war is a perverse "cheapest man wins".
1887710;1547656753;asciilifeform;correct. and the opera replayed itself in miniature in the 'killermicro warz'
1887711;1547656799;BingoBoingo;In things that popped up in the spam hoppers: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/pSMtK/?raw=true
1887712;1547656802;mircea_popescu;perhaps intuitively this is very much related (in the sense of descending from) http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-12#1880251
1887713;1547656802;a111;Logged on 2018-12-12 18:21 mircea_popescu: aanyway. labour allocation is broken and nobody has any better.
1887714;1547656829;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: iirc mircea_popescu posted the perl script that shits these at one pt
1887715;1547656855;mircea_popescu;"law firms", lawds have mercy.
1887716;1547656856;BingoBoingo;Still, first LAW alt I've seen
1887717;1547656867;mircea_popescu;what's the idea, nobody ever fucked an ambitious intern, can't imagine what "law firms" are like ?
1887718;1547656927;BingoBoingo;Likely
1887719;1547657001;BingoBoingo;IIrc the lawyering profession in the US isn't employing law school graduates anymore because what's the point of having ambitious interns if they are afraid to fuck them
1887720;1547657030;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: last i knew , most of said graduates nowadays , get to take their arse, and its 250k of debt, to work in bureaucracy.
1887721;1547657046;asciilifeform;where they start at the 50k/y (pre-tax!) rank.
1887722;1547657064;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Nah, those are just the LUCKY ones.
1887723;1547657100;BingoBoingo;From what I've seen Law schools produce a lot of substitute teachers nowadays
1887724;1547657118;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i have a distant relative, who 'ivy league'(tm)(r) 'perfect grade' etc etc and ended up as n-th lieutenant prosecutor in some arsehole, prosecuting 'dindus'
1887725;1547657149;asciilifeform;typical, as i understand, path, for these people.
1887726;1547657210;asciilifeform;iirc the 'law schools' were actually sued, for making concrete claims of employability of graduate, and ~lost~, but somehow this was magicked away.
1887727;1547657231;BingoBoingo;I know few lawschool graduates working for firm. A bunch working for local prosecutor or public defender, occasional ventures into private practice. THe one who got a "firm" job left it to do a stint managing East Saint Louis City government.
1887728;1547657287;hanbot;<asciilifeform> i'm surprised they dun build from ~that~ yet. << i met a chick from the architecture dept at the nat'l uni here whose professed goal was to see all places with native bamboo build with it exclusively. possibly the spiders get her first, but otherwise, "coming soon"...
1887729;1547657315;asciilifeform;hanbot: washingtonistan very muchly belongs having vietnam-style dwellings, on bamboo stilts.
1887730;1547657320;asciilifeform;i hope -- succeeds.
1887731;1547657381;asciilifeform;at one time asciilifeform lived in a block of flat surrounded by bamboo, and would see the shoots erry morning, growing straight from gravel. invariably thought of that old chinese punishment
1887732;1547657395;BingoBoingo;Well swamp. Stilts/Pilings for light structures is all that should be in a swamp
1887733;1547657400;asciilifeform;y'know, where you pin the lucky customer to four stakes, and by next day bamboo grows out of him
1887734;1547657465;hanbot;oh hey i missed that one. yet another reason for pet koala.
1887735;1547657474;asciilifeform;panda, i presume
1887736;1547657515;hanbot;possibly even your raccoons would eat it
1887737;1547657527;asciilifeform;these will eat moar or less anyffin. even drywall.
1887738;1547657547;asciilifeform;the ultimate mouth.
1887739;1547657608;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Might as well get some goats and take control of your local Cheesechain
1887740;1547657610;asciilifeform;recently i found that 1 of the trapped ones chewed most of the way through wooden '2x4' plank.
1887741;1547657624;asciilifeform;( this in re : also mod6's woods! thread )
1887742;1547657632;hanbot;pity these can't be trained
1887743;1547657644;asciilifeform;hanbot: supposedly they can. i wouldn't undertake tho
1887744;1547657661;asciilifeform;some 19th c american circus man even trained grizzly.
1887745;1547657678;asciilifeform;( not barnum, was some d00d since forgotten )
1887746;1547657942;asciilifeform;unrelatedly ( or maybe not?? ) , asciilifeform found that ch16 is turning into just about a miniature number theory schoolbook, will defo have to be trimmed
1887747;1547657966;asciilifeform;( went in that dir on acct of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-14#1886905 )
1887748;1547657966;a111;Logged on 2019-01-14 18:36 asciilifeform: ( readers should also prepare themselves for following proof of why m-r worx, i'ma not simply cite the lit )
1887749;1547657975;BingoBoingo;The fur apparently has some marketable value, but like other things in empire... there is a mess of rules
1887750;1547658023;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: sell enuff furs in ameristan, and some Official derp will appear and demand to know where you took'em..
1887751;1547658031;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-16#1887580    "A man can sit in a bamboo house under a bamboo roof, on a bamboo chair at a bamboo table ...."
1887752;1547658031;a111;Logged on 2019-01-16 15:53 asciilifeform: i'm surprised they dun build from ~that~ yet.
1887753;1547658087;asciilifeform;shinohai: recall how edison was genuinely convinced that the fyootoor of furniture was... ferrocement
1887754;1547658104;asciilifeform;lost good % of his moneys in this, in his last yrs
1887755;1547658121;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Right. They'll also wank over what kinds of traps. Gotta deal with USG and local conservation police... Gotta plan your havest anticipating how many of what kinds of critters are going to find their way into your traps
1887756;1547658146;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: racoon trap interestingly is ~100% species-selective
1887757;1547658151;asciilifeform;requires opposable thumb to set off.
1887758;1547658166;shinohai;Edison would be proud that one can print 3-D house using cement, with furniture built into walls.
1887759;1547658167;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> shinohai: recall how edison was genuinely convinced that the fyootoor of furniture was... ferrocement << Plenty of people here living the complete ferrocement like without the roof.
1887760;1547658293;asciilifeform;shinohai: iirc they already build this : for 'supermax' prison. but i expect the tech will 'spread to konsoomer', yes
1887761;1547658405;BingoBoingo;The US isn't Uruguay. The US can't afford to make ferrocement the residential building material. How will the police break in?
1887762;1547658429;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: presumably with those demolition charges they already issue'em..
1887763;1547658455;asciilifeform;i expect it'll work in the 'self driving car'(tm) direction instead. 'drm' door locks itself, house now == jail
1887764;1547658468;asciilifeform;police pick up at leisure, when occupant is half-dead from hunger/thirst
1887765;1547658509;BingoBoingo;There's still the problem of making all that ferrocement
1887766;1547658518;shinohai;Coming soon to a ghetto near you: http://archive.is/I07K6
1887767;1547658525;asciilifeform;eh cement is the 1 kind of factory they still have errywhere in usa
1887768;1547658532;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/01/amid-partial-shutdown-usg-certifies-security-of-microsoft-outlook-mobile/ << Qntra -- Amid Partial Shutdown USG Certifies "Security" Of Microsoft Outlook Mobile
1887769;1547658538;asciilifeform;shinohai: i see empty pg
1887770;1547658550;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Sure, but cement factory pumps out evil carbon
1887771;1547658568;shinohai;gah, was supposed to be archive of https://singularityhub.com/2018/03/18/this-3d-printed-house-goes-up-in-a-day-for-under-10000/\
1887772;1547658664;asciilifeform;shinohai: the typical wooden hovel folx live inside in usa, costs maybe 1000 in cardboard/presswood. sheep still get sheared via http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-16#1887539 .
1887773;1547658664;a111;Logged on 2019-01-16 02:36 asciilifeform: it's hilarious, the hovel i'm in, at least has steel frames. nearby they recently built whole street of 100% cardboard/plastic , 'ONLY low 800s!' reads the billboard. 800k orcbux, that is.
1887774;1547658677;asciilifeform;the '800s' have 0 to do with the cost of the junk they build from.
1887775;1547658758;BingoBoingo;They've got fast food housing here too https://casa.mercadolibre.com.uy/MLU-459410839-isomodulos-uruguay-todo-en-isopanel-al-mejor-precio-_JM
1887776;1547658759;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-16#1887720 << this is so.
1887777;1547658759;a111;Logged on 2019-01-16 16:43 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: last i knew , most of said graduates nowadays , get to take their arse, and its 250k of debt, to work in bureaucracy.
1887778;1547658773;shinohai;I live in comfy brick home built in 1950's or so. Feels many times more solid than average McMansion
1887779;1547658804;asciilifeform;shinohai: i fully expect that they ~will~ find how to make the hovels even moar starvation-cheap, whether cement or inkjetted styrofoam or whatnot. and the same folx who pocket 800k nao, will pocket the 1mil they'll mandatorily sell for.
1887780;1547658865;asciilifeform;shinohai: there's maybe half a mil of these on whole continent, and nobody's building any moar of'em
1887781;1547658881;asciilifeform;'It Would Be Wrong' or sumthing.
1887782;1547658913;shinohai;There was "subdivision" of new constructed homes nearby that had to be abandoned ~3 yrs ago, all were built using sheetrock from China which molded within weeks of being installed.
1887783;1547658936;asciilifeform;betcha the 'lucky' buyers still owe their 800k.
1887784;1547658956;mircea_popescu;as they fucking should.
1887785;1547658967;mircea_popescu;there's no possibility of economic activity outside of human buyer judging things
1887786;1547658979;mircea_popescu;if they abdicate from this, and "just want to", they belong rowing galley.
1887787;1547658984;asciilifeform;the judging does exactly 0, 'lemon market'.
1887788;1547659199;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> shinohai: there's maybe half a mil of these on whole continent, and nobody's building any moar of'em << My hometown has large swaths of brick single family homes built to house workers for now defunct "my pet goat" condensed milk plant.
1887789;1547659230;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform huh ?
1887790;1547659231;asciilifeform;i suppose it's still possible, even in usa, to buy lands far away from city, getting out of 'zoning law', and import white marble from italy and build castle. if yer rockefeller. i dun know rockefeller tho, so i've never set foot in 1 of these and have nfi re what specifically is involved.
1887791;1547659237;asciilifeform;errybody else lives in cardboard.
1887792;1547659262;asciilifeform;iirc mircea_popescu had an ancient ro piece about this
1887793;1547659292;mircea_popescu;riiight, cuz "organizing labour" in the sense of http://trilema.com/2014/in-which-you-become-grain/ is perfectly possible but organizing purchasing in the sense of killing the fucking degradation of life and every niggled standing in the way is perfectly impossible.
1887794;1547659297;mircea_popescu;because so spake the goddess or some dumb shit.
1887795;1547659303;asciilifeform;notably, buffett lives in cardboard.
1887796;1547659306;shinohai;I bought specifically because was brick and has actual hardwood floors, none of that composite/laminate shit.
1887797;1547659328;mircea_popescu;i wouldn't believe a single thing pr claims about buffett, seeing how that's the customary treatment for proven liars.
1887798;1547659347;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i haven't been to his house, lol, so cannot attest to the troof/disinfo.
1887799;1547659360;asciilifeform;but d00d brags about it. ( or did, last i tuned in )
1887800;1547659367;mircea_popescu;he lives in usg-style hruscheba much like beria did.
1887801;1547659403;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i.e. preserved item from pre-war ?
1887802;1547659528;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-16#1887728 << one of the http://trilema.com/2016/pili/#selection-87.0-87.345 pilis i guess ?
1887803;1547659528;a111;Logged on 2019-01-16 16:48 hanbot: <asciilifeform> i'm surprised they dun build from ~that~ yet. << i met a chick from the architecture dept at the nat'l uni here whose professed goal was to see all places with native bamboo build with it exclusively. possibly the spiders get her first, but otherwise, "coming soon"...
1887804;1547659565;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know what celebrity endorsements are ? "eat your gruel, tommy, just like Nigglet McAthlete does!"
1887805;1547659579;asciilifeform;'buy kasparov-brand chess knife!!'
1887806;1547659630;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's a point tho! i nearly forgot that buffett ~sells~ cardboard hovels.
1887807;1547659635;asciilifeform;naturally will claim to inhabit one.
1887808;1547659649;mircea_popescu;heh.
1887809;1547659668;mircea_popescu;dat kasparov brand chess knife thing is epic. ima use it.
1887810;1547659674;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/phantastes-para-leer/ << Trilema -- Phantastes. Para leer.
1887811;1547659716;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-16#1887746 << not necessarily. try and find such schoolbook online.
1887812;1547659716;a111;Logged on 2019-01-16 16:59 asciilifeform: unrelatedly ( or maybe not?? ) , asciilifeform found that ch16 is turning into just about a miniature number theory schoolbook, will defo have to be trimmed
1887813;1547659762;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ru-speaking folk have 0 prob finding whole sovok curriculum on www..
1887814;1547659776;asciilifeform;re english folx, slightly harder ( but only slightly )
1887815;1547659794;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Typical condensed milk plant era construction in hometown https://archive.is/YiMUX https://archive.is/HjtFv
1887816;1547659796;asciilifeform;i'ma leave the item in, tho, if mircea_popescu thinks it's a + idea
1887817;1547659832;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: we have these here; typically the brickwork is decorative
1887818;1547659839;asciilifeform;observe that it is very easy to tell with naked eye
1887819;1547659848;asciilifeform;... actual brickwork has butt-end bricks
1887820;1547659855;asciilifeform;decorative -- only side-laid
1887821;1547659872;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-16#1887760 << what is small prison if not staging area for big prison.
1887822;1547659872;a111;Logged on 2019-01-16 17:04 asciilifeform: shinohai: iirc they already build this : for 'supermax' prison. but i expect the tech will 'spread to konsoomer', yes
1887823;1547659878;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Well, german peasant cargo cults
1887824;1547659913;asciilifeform;i've confronted various (nominally literate) ameri-folx with the brick litmus, was surprised at one pt how many had nfi
1887825;1547659971;shinohai;it appears homes were slightly better constructed there BingoBoingo ... most "factory worker houses" in smaller towns here are old duplexes, with asbestos siding no less.
1887826;1547660083;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-16#1887824 << yet you persist believing such a thing as a schoolbook is available to them.
1887827;1547660083;a111;Logged on 2019-01-16 17:31 asciilifeform: i've confronted various (nominally literate) ameri-folx with the brick litmus, was surprised at one pt how many had nfi
1887828;1547660105;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: possibly my model of 'available' is off.
1887829;1547660150;trinque;asciilifeform: was hilarious when harvey came through and ripped these brick facades off the suburban wasp nests
1887830;1547660167;asciilifeform;trinque: they scatter like pinyata.
1887831;1547660177;asciilifeform;with the brickwork forming bonus shrapnel.
1887832;1547660407;trinque;I take these to be the people that shouldn't have houses having been given too much, not *their* decay. they're doing better than they've ever been.
1887833;1547660435;trinque;plenty of rich as hell folks in houston living in concrete and steel, like sensible people do in hurricane zones
1887834;1547660469;asciilifeform;trinque: there's rich folx living in old rocket shafts in nebraska even.
1887835;1547660478;asciilifeform;again i haven't met in person.
1887836;1547660489;asciilifeform;most of usa -- cardboard.
1887837;1547660506;asciilifeform;( quite unlike, e.g. uruguay )
1887838;1547660546;asciilifeform;at one time it was possible to buy title to old rocket shaft for approx what cardboard house costs.
1887839;1547660563;asciilifeform;( substantial, as i understand, 'diy project', to make it livable. but some people -- did )
1887840;1547660592;trinque;I wager the uruguayan suburbs are favela-tier
1887841;1547660600;trinque;where the american burbs oughta be.
1887842;1547660640;asciilifeform;trinque: tbf i did not go to the favela. but inside the city walls, the worst dwellings were approx baltimore-type.
1887843;1547660646;asciilifeform;i.e. old brick.
1887844;1547660740;BingoBoingo;<trinque> I wager the uruguayan suburbs are favela-tier << Favelas with a lot of concrete
1887845;1547660754;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: that's called... hruscheba
1887846;1547660778;asciilifeform;( orig word was a play on трущоба ( slu
1887847;1547660781;asciilifeform;m, favela )
1887848;1547660783;asciilifeform;+ hruschev.
1887849;1547660827;asciilifeform;under whose decree a great many were hastily built
1887850;1547660843;asciilifeform;in ro the shoemaker did similar thing, mircea_popescu described in detail
1887851;1547660905;BingoBoingo;Some samples from Las Piedras http://archive.is/8YA93 http://archive.is/AHfAN
1887852;1547660966;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: observe how even to the poorest orcs, it dun occur to build dwelling from cardboards
1887853;1547660972;asciilifeform;they find, somehow , cement mixer, somewhere.
1887854;1547661064;trinque;if they had it, would buy. same reason as when I was in CR there was a huge line of natives for the mcd's and starbucks
1887855;1547661091;trinque;if they had more money, that mcds would sprout a whole suburb of them around it.
1887856;1547661101;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: may recall, at one time asciilifeform was infected with crackpot idea, 'why not buy old stone thing in bmore'. actually went on site, talked to the orcs. concluded that proj was massively -ev, couldnt afford to defend properly.
1887857;1547661145;trinque;I hear hipsters are doing this in detroit these days, not even all getting killed by the natives
1887858;1547661151;asciilifeform;trinque: i was in BingoBoingostan when a 'starbux' opened its first day of biz. queue was iirc kilometre
1887859;1547661157;BingoBoingo;trinque: Here the culture views McDonalds as classy.
1887860;1547661175;asciilifeform;trinque: they're living in cardboard, iirc. new construction in specially-designated reservations.
1887861;1547661181;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Starbucks is not classy anymore. It is the low rent knockoff version of McCafe now
1887862;1547661183;trinque;right, so economics alone are keeping them from the wasp nest neighborhoods, which is my point.
1887863;1547661224;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> trinque: they're living in cardboard, iirc. new construction in specially-designated reservations. << AHA, Carrasco where the stores have parking lots! Just like US suburbs!
1887864;1547661345;asciilifeform;trinque: the 'next turn of the screw' appears to be... american ver. of sovok 'communal flats'. they're building'em here, near university, to the exclusion of near errything else
1887865;1547661374;asciilifeform;4-5 rooms share kitchen/toilet/hall, same as in ye olde communist world
1887866;1547661389;asciilifeform;euphemistically labeled 'student' flats
1887867;1547661398;BingoBoingo;AHA, like the Peruana's pension tucked behind a kiosko!
1887868;1547661405;asciilifeform;but good % of the folx signing the leases, are graduates
1887869;1547661518;asciilifeform;interestingly, they're building a tram (!) also. apparently the last lizards who disassembled the original washintonistani trams in 1970s, have finally croaked. ( new tram, however, will go strictly to/from the communal flats and the bureaucratic shitholes where 'employed' )
1887870;1547661532;BingoBoingo;More bottom of the market favela finds http://archive.is/T2QsT http://archive.is/npB22 From here the next step down includes improvised shelters, refrigerator boxes, and actual holes in exterior walls.
1887871;1547661592;asciilifeform;lol 30 m^2
1887872;1547661595;asciilifeform;like jail
1887873;1547661641;asciilifeform;guten tag, Mocky
1887874;1547661651;trinque;in related cardboardization, the girl and I were looking into live vaccines for hypothetical spawn. apparently they're being phased out by the derps that be.
1887875;1547661687;Mocky;howdy asciilifeform
1887876;1547661731;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> lol 30 m^2 << Smaller
1887877;1547661739;asciilifeform;trinque: iirc in usa you get to pick b/w 'vaccine is the devil's work' and 'load'im up on errything, incl. some radwaste for good measure'
1887878;1547661743;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes prolly has the details.
1887879;1547661756;asciilifeform;Mocky: how did the work search go ?
1887880;1547661826;Mocky;instead of an offer for this one prospect I got "one more interview, next week" but still imo looks probable
1887881;1547661834;asciilifeform;trinque: even in BingoBoingostan , asciilifeform had a hell of a time drinking from 'the mumps cup' to the terrified faces of onlookers
1887882;1547661867;BingoBoingo;The standard for a pension or residencia estudiantil is 1.5-5 bed lengths deep and 3-5 bed widths wide. But unlike apartments they tend to come furnished. With "placares" even.
1887883;1547661872;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo recall this ? in that coffee room.
1887884;1547661883;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: AHA
1887885;1547661934;BingoBoingo;The mumps outbreak of similar character to US University mumps outbreaks.
1887886;1547662155;BingoBoingo;Here we have an elusive creature. A property offered for rent with hope the person renting it will subdivide it into smaller rentals: http://archive.is/GAXEp
1887887;1547662201;asciilifeform;... is it also 'hoped' that he'll 'rent out the space in his nostrils' lol
1887888;1547662317;trinque;man I hate people that let materials accumulate like that. oh, that's my palette collection, and here's a single tile, just in case
1887889;1547662407;BingoBoingo;trinque: Much of that was likely accumulated intentionally via dumpster mining
1887890;1547662521;BingoBoingo;This is informative http://trilema.com/2014/colonia-uruguay/#selection-228.1-233.82
1887891;1547662840;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-16#1887832 << there's some meat on this skeleton, recall chucka burning down sovok wood flooring to make cookpot go
1887892;1547662840;a111;Logged on 2019-01-16 17:40 trinque: I take these to be the people that shouldn't have houses having been given too much, not *their* decay. they're doing better than they've ever been.
1887893;1547662968;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-16#1887855 << occured already, the heredia-alajuela banzone is entirely this.
1887894;1547662968;a111;Logged on 2019-01-16 17:51 trinque: if they had more money, that mcds would sprout a whole suburb of them around it.
1887895;1547663029;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-16#1887861 << hysterically enough, mcd actually trying to position itself "upmarket", yes.
1887896;1547663029;a111;Logged on 2019-01-16 17:53 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Starbucks is not classy anymore. It is the low rent knockoff version of McCafe now
1887897;1547663033;trinque;saw the mcd's and "aw fuck, it's got spores"
1887898;1547663123;mircea_popescu;heh
1887899;1547663166;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-16#1887877 << this is very much the case ; muchly reminiscent re your point of "why can't i buy just the sanity of vegan" or somesuch.
1887900;1547663166;a111;Logged on 2019-01-16 18:02 asciilifeform: trinque: iirc in usa you get to pick b/w 'vaccine is the devil's work' and 'load'im up on errything, incl. some radwaste for good measure'
1887901;1547663172;mircea_popescu;"organic" maybe it was.
1887902;1547663189;mircea_popescu;the empire of idiots manages to construct two ~equally idiotic non-alternatives out of everything.
1887903;1547663263;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: In Uruguay it *is* upmarket
1887904;1547663299;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-15#1406177 << possibly thread
1887905;1547663299;a111;Logged on 2016-02-15 17:58 asciilifeform: specifically how there is no place in usa where one can 'i will pay double for non-monsanto but i don't give a fuck about 'gmo' and i sure as fuck don't want to see homeopathic crud in the shop'
1887906;1547663347;asciilifeform;+ http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-03#1260587
1887907;1547663347;a111;Logged on 2015-09-03 01:38 asciilifeform: e.g. there is no 'i don't care if the chicken ate gmo corn but please no antibiotic' shop
1887908;1547663516;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: recall, it's the magick land of 'which can of pepsi wouldja like, left or right'
1887909;1547663534;asciilifeform;there's ~2 ~indistinguishable 'alternatives' to errything.
1887910;1547663547;asciilifeform;conveniently painted in diff colours.
1887911;1547664059;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/01/former-mexican-president-enrique-pena-nieto-accused-of-taking-250-million-usd-bribe-by-usg-witness-as-guzman-trial-continues/ << Qntra -- Former Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto Accused Of Taking 250 Million USD Bribe By USG Witness As Guzman Trial Continues
1887912;1547664087;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/the-lulz-in-dating/#footnote_0_63520 << was upmarket briefly in ro of 1990s also
1887913;1547664180;mircea_popescu;heh, usg basically cannibalizing its foreign service. not being able to defend allies is one thing, but who the fuck is ever going to deal with them again.
1887914;1547664285;asciilifeform;hey last i recall e.g. karzai's $100m monthly 'hercules' crate was openly aired , d00d still on throne
1887915;1547664636;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in entomology dept, https://archive.is/OupVT
1887916;1547664662;asciilifeform;( and yep it's the defrocked physics d00d from old thread )
1887917;1547665011;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i'm thinking to switch off the raid auto-walk ( http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-16#1887553 ) currently, and set it going manually during a maintenance window that we'll announce after folx are seated on the rk.
1887918;1547665011;a111;Logged on 2019-01-16 14:07 asciilifeform: incidentally : raid verify is set for midnight saturday. which iirc was the time of the first reset.
1887919;1547665084;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Aite
1887920;1547665112;asciilifeform;speaking of which, http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-15#1887330 ! uy1 folx, that means you !
1887921;1547665112;a111;Logged on 2019-01-15 20:08 asciilifeform: ( invited to pgp ssh key + any particular reqs to BingoBoingo & asciilifeform )
1887922;1547665117;asciilifeform;plox to request accts.
1887923;1547665178;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: ftr, the samsung ssds are pretty good : i have identical card here, with identical drives, in 3.5yrs of 24/7 operation it corrected a misparitied block ~once~
1887924;1547665185;asciilifeform;( it walks erry friday )
1887925;1547665215;asciilifeform;( back when it had mechanical platters, this was a ~monthly occurrence )
1887926;1547665267;mircea_popescu;come to think about it, locklin fits very well in the impudent imbecile gallery, with yarvin, yukowsky and whatall else, 70s to 90s born fleshwastes.
1887927;1547665432;BingoBoingo;Well, Locklin's only had 5 going on 6 years to surrender and yet...
1887928;1547665532;mircea_popescu;surrender ~what~ ?
1887929;1547665550;mircea_popescu;you understand this, yes, there's gotta be something there to surrender, you can't surrender bare swamp.
1887930;1547665565;BingoBoingo;Surrender his determination to imbicil and join a slave galley
1887931;1547665583;mircea_popescu;where he'd be doing exactly the same, plus/minus one red stapler ?
1887932;1547665589;mircea_popescu;seems rather the work of coincidence.
1887933;1547665630;BingoBoingo;Depends where he galleys? He could get aquainted with ball gag lip chafing
1887934;1547665656;mircea_popescu;yeah, there's such demand for middle aged males on that market.
1887935;1547665910;BingoBoingo;If he's pale enough the Saudis or Qataris might take him
1887936;1547665939;asciilifeform;d00d's a defrocked academic, iirc toils in 'hedge funds' etc
1887937;1547666005;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile in local news: Free Bicycles available on the Rambla as a matter of Penal Policy http://archive.is/o6y2V
1887938;1547666668;mircea_popescu;"This last paranthesis also explains why crime fightin' is never a "the people" affair, in case you're curious. It's not some sort of evil conspiracy to keep "the citizens" ("the people" call themselves that when unsure of their footing) from exercising "justice". It's just that practically, left to their own devices, "the people" couldn't care less." or how did that go.
1887939;1547666987;BingoBoingo;Pretty much. They just don't care.
1887940;1547667027;BingoBoingo;They want homeostatsis
1887941;1547667048;BingoBoingo;They preferred 2009's homeostasis to 2019's but...
1887942;1547667222;mircea_popescu;kings/march lords hanging people for poaching venison is so unfair, anyway.
1887943;1547667493;BingoBoingo;Hey, the amount of old woman wailing over their pobre angelitos dying is increasing as the angelitos in question get shot breaking into a man's residence/place of business
1887944;1547667861;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it aint as if there were no highwaymen back when marchlord
1887945;1547667935;asciilifeform;( and funnily enuff, uptick in petty criminality during imperial collapse appears even in apuleius's thing )
1887946;1547668406;mircea_popescu;sure. what, the point was to ensure "no highwaymen" ? the point was to ensure ~no highwaywomen~. and that -- fucking ensured, no taming-of-the-shrew era shrew, howsoever "empowered" etcetera, dared highway.
1887947;1547668500;asciilifeform;iirc there may have been sea pirate female, but dunno how credible the reports.
1887948;1547668584;mircea_popescu;indeed. i believe, factual.
1887949;1547668640;mircea_popescu;vapor pressure, rite. if you hang for piracy as well as highway robbery (1/100 the capital goods costs) competent females will be found in piracy not in highway robbery, because female vapor pressure ~0.
1887950;1547670049;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in reverse dirty-old-man-isms, i just bid nude girly dress and go buy me cookies.
1887951;1547670069;mircea_popescu;as opposed to my buying cookies to give girly so she takes her clothes off.
1887952;1547670357;asciilifeform;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ryJiN/?raw=true << limonov's ditty re fem pirate
1887953;1547670583;mircea_popescu;лугах Ийоркшира keks
1887954;1547684067;mircea_popescu;shinohai you don't belong to what now ?
1887955;1547684308;shinohai;hmm ?
1887956;1547685135;shinohai;I was afk, not sure what mircea_popescu means.
1887957;1547686289;mircea_popescu;* shinohai has quit (Quit: No, I do not belong to The Most Delusional Republic)
1887958;1547686646;shinohai;lmao forgot I had put that there when kakobrekla kept asking why I wasn't over in tmdr xD
1887959;1547688430;feedbot;http://thewhet.net/2019/01/perambulating-mp-pretense-vs-pretense/ << The Whet -- Perambulating MP: Pretense vs. Pretense
1887960;1547689254;mod6;Another loooong day today.
1887961;1547689256;*;mod6 reads up
1887962;1547689321;hanbot;* shinohai has quit (Quit: No, I do not belong to The Most Delusional Republic) << the amusing part being that it'd seem that's the only republic you -do- belong to.
1887963;1547689697;mircea_popescu;ouch.
1887964;1547689782;shinohai;heh
1887965;1547691493;asciilifeform;meanwhile uy1 cpu at 52C, raid card at 63 (for the latter, 'critical' mark is 70)
1887966;1547691553;asciilifeform;still waitin' to hear from the znc-on-uy1 people, whether any want a rk acct.
1887967;1547691632;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: ty for the temp update
1887968;1547691636;mod6;Thanks for the update asciilifeform
1887969;1547691644;mod6;Super weird.
1887970;1547691668;asciilifeform;mod6: sadly not weird, these run ridiculously hot
1887971;1547691676;asciilifeform;i have one that avgs 80C here
1887972;1547691683;asciilifeform;( no eggogs tho, from it... )
1887973;1547691747;asciilifeform;i can't picture why, even, unless these people baked it from ecl or sumthing
1887974;1547691749;mod6;no, i mean, what's super weird is that it hasn't crashed since we started really looking into it.
1887975;1547691768;asciilifeform;mod6: my current hypothesis is that it'll fall down again when raid walk.
1887976;1547691795;mod6;kinda typical actually.  car makes bad sound while driving it for weeks, when you bring it to the mechanic and explain the sound, he drives it, no sound.
1887977;1547691806;asciilifeform;i'ma 'drive' it till it 'makes sound'.
1887978;1547691815;mod6;:] *thumbsup*
1887979;1547691888;asciilifeform;would like to , 1st, give the znc people a chance to sit down on rk, if they can be aroused to.
1887980;1547691969;mod6;sure.
1887981;1547701526;mircea_popescu;srsly ?
1887982;1547703642;mircea_popescu;https://duckduckgo.com/?q=+%22mircea+popescu%22&t=ffsb&iax=images&ia=images << in other lulz, i fucking love the results. a buncha dorks and a buncha sluts, what more can you ask for.
1887983;1547704973;mircea_popescu;in vaguely related lulz, apparently http://www.playmates.com/ died sometime last year, quietly forgotten by everyone.
1887984;1547705037;mircea_popescu;all these "valuable properties" of the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-23#1853182 ilk, "online real estate" etc.
1887985;1547705037;a111;Logged on 2018-09-23 21:16 mircea_popescu: which is eerily similar to what these shits ever sell on an open market, be it myspace, slashdot, or whatever else.
1887986;1547707234;mircea_popescu;https://www.playboy.com/read/don-t-fall-for-the-gop-s-scapegoating-of-steve-king-1 << domain squatted by Really Angry Pantsuit (tm), amusingly enough. because totally, that's exactly how this game works, http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-21#1247708 etcetera.
1887987;1547707234;a111;Logged on 2015-08-21 23:21 mircea_popescu: "Welcome, kiddo, to how the real world works. You go ahead and place your crazy protest bids way off in the bottom of the sociological order book and scream that someday, SOMEDAY, the market will come down to meet you, and you will be vindicated.
1887988;1547707245;mircea_popescu;we're totally gonna start caring about pantsuit talking points nao!
1887989;1547707304;mircea_popescu;"Jeffrey Smith ‏Verified account @Smith_JeffreyT 3h3 hours ago Jeffrey Smith Retweeted Jon Ossoff
1887990;1547707304;mircea_popescu;The apparent murder of journalist Ahmed Divela is chilling. Ghana is recognized by many, including me, as a vibrant, strong democracy and an example for the continent in many ways. " meanwhile in related lulz.
1887991;1547724614;diana_coman;trinque, is deedbot down?
1887992;1547735333;mircea_popescu;* deedbot has quit (*.net *.split) <
1887993;1547739435;trinque;ty
1887994;1547739612;asciilifeform;guten morgen trinque et al
1887995;1547739936;mod6;Mornin' #trilema
1887996;1547739938;BingoBoingo;Buen día
1887997;1547740527;asciilifeform;meanwhile, uy1 - alive, temps within range, etc
1887998;1547740859;mod6;Thx asciilifeform
1887999;1547746035;lobbes;asciilifeform, BingoBoingo: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/cjnxG/?raw=true
1888000;1547746088;asciilifeform;danke schon, lobbes !
1888001;1547746826;lobbes;gern geschehen
1888002;1547753402;asciilifeform;meanwhile in iron noose, https://www.chip1stop.com/USA/en/view/dispDetail/DispDetail?partId=SOCI-0000001&cid=SOCIEB << chinese, claims to sell 24core arm box with expandable ecc ram holes. ~1.2k usd.
1888003;1547753412;asciilifeform;afaik this is a 1st.
1888004;1547753476;asciilifeform;( whether subj item is terraformable rk-style, is yet unknown to asciilifeform )
1888005;1547753742;mircea_popescu;https://metapedia.org/ << in other lulz, i had nfi item even existed. anyone know what "traditional enemies" even means there ?!
1888006;1547754019;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/9NDzd << cached. still can't make heads or tails of it tho.
1888007;1547754267;mircea_popescu;so like wiki-*
1888008;1547754299;asciilifeform;if it was somehow diff from ordinary pediwik, this cannot be determined from the cache
1888009;1547755651;mod6;Would be awesome if Pizzaro could sell iron that can run cuntoo + ffa + fg + trb out of the gate [ + others too, i.e. eulora, etc ]
1888010;1547755671;mod6;If that chinese iron could get the job done for a reasonable rate.. could be pretty good offering.
1888011;1547755698;asciilifeform;mod6: currently much moar pedestrian concern: seems like we have 1st instance of a dead rk.
1888012;1547755718;mod6;Ah.  Hmm.  I'll read up in #piz
1888013;1547755725;asciilifeform;mod6: debug log is there
1888014;1547755888;mod6;ahem: *Pizarro
1888015;1547756406;asciilifeform;mod6: i'ma ship new rk + a few spares to BingoBoingo ( who appears to have solved his orc customs problems ) , but the find is concerning in re the wisdom of installing 9000 of'em
1888016;1547756447;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo agreed to house lobbes et al on his personal rk, until the swap is made, he will fill in the details when he gets back to his console
1888017;1547756454;mod6;*thumbsup*
1888018;1547756466;mod6;I agree about the re-thinking of the 32 new boards.
1888019;1547756487;asciilifeform;mod6: note that there is still not afaik anything like a candidate for 'rk, but better'
1888020;1547756496;mod6;understood.
1888021;1547756521;asciilifeform;it appears that we'll still have to construct a larger rk plant, but they will have to be physically racked in such a way as to be replaceable without taking down whole plant
1888022;1547756529;asciilifeform;this complicates the design of same.
1888023;1547756586;*;asciilifeform looked at erry available rk board on market in last coupla hrs, they are all either of substantially inferior spec, or cost no less than 3x moar per
1888024;1547756593;mod6;We aught to look at costs of full size env's that would fit the bill for TMSR~ tooling.  Then establish how many we would need & charge for to get out of the red.
1888025;1547756613;asciilifeform;mod6: what means 'full size' here ?
1888026;1547756671;mod6;Envs that have at least 4 logical cores, 8 Gb RAM, and minimum 1Tb ssd.
1888027;1547756698;asciilifeform;mod6: afaik that means 1u x86, given current state of art.
1888028;1547756707;mod6;I guess I should say, that I'm not sure exactly.  But we should do a bunch of anaysis to see what would be the best play for capital allocation.
1888029;1547756709;asciilifeform;and these have monumental cost of transport, as already established.
1888030;1547756739;asciilifeform;is the reason why asciilifeform went with 'pack as much into ea. 1u x86 as physically possible' when init buildout.
1888031;1547756749;mod6;yeah.
1888032;1547756767;mircea_popescu;http://archive.is/3cRY7#selection-1855.167-1855.241 << in other lulz, notwithstanding the text, there depicted is ~romanian~ (if the soviet-style ro army uniforms didn't make it plain enough) nicolae ciuca.
1888033;1547756779;mod6;Just some food for thought over the next, say, 72 hours.
1888034;1547756785;mircea_popescu;!#s ciuca
1888035;1547756785;a111;1 result for "ciuca", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=ciuca
1888036;1547756808;mircea_popescu;hmmm... i thought i mentioned the fellow.
1888037;1547756840;asciilifeform;oh ha stalin-era epaulettes etc
1888038;1547756923;mircea_popescu;am i oversensitive or are the dorks actually trying to pass the guy for guler, on the grounds that "what do ustards know" ?
1888039;1547757214;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what was the rk problem anyways ?
1888040;1547757220;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i strongly suspect that yer right, and the monkeys went 'eh, orcs, what's 1, what's another'
1888041;1547757232;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the idle rk that was to house lobbes et al, has turned up dead.
1888042;1547757242;mircea_popescu;as in won't boot ?!
1888043;1547757249;asciilifeform;cpu executes random instruction periodically, with lulzy results
1888044;1547757256;asciilifeform;i'ma post a few sample dumps in a min
1888045;1547757261;mircea_popescu;sounds like a botched fw "upgrade" ?
1888046;1547757271;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there's no 'fw' on rk.
1888047;1547757282;mircea_popescu;how do we know ?
1888048;1547757305;asciilifeform;ok, let's rephrase, there's no detectable fw on rk.
1888049;1547757326;asciilifeform;it runs instrs from mask rom on boot, then loads my kernel.
1888050;1547757346;mircea_popescu;i have ~never~ heard of a cpu that ~genuinely~ fandango'd instructions. each and EVERY single one of the ~scant few~ dozen cases was stuxnet-like
1888051;1547757369;asciilifeform;i'ma have BingoBoingo send me the retired board via snailmails, possibly we find sumething interesting about it
1888052;1547757374;asciilifeform;i suspect it's straight chinesium
1888053;1547757378;mircea_popescu;how the fuck would this even work, indulge me. arm processor just invents rng opcode ?
1888054;1547757396;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'ma post lulzdump for the pleasure of mircea_popescu et al in a min.
1888055;1547757401;mircea_popescu;cool.
1888056;1547757432;*;mircea_popescu pages ave1 too, it'd be a pity to miss such
1888057;1547757593;asciilifeform;http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/dead-rk/run_1.txt http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/dead-rk/run_2.txt http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/dead-rk/run_3.txt http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/dead-rk/run_4.txt
1888058;1547757614;asciilifeform;and in between these actually booted up and ssh-reachable but then panicked in few min
1888059;1547757628;asciilifeform;all 4 .txt are from the serial console uart, if it aint obvious
1888060;1547757657;asciilifeform;initially suspected a dead drive, these produce similar symptoms ( garbage when reading disk ), had BingoBoingo fetch brand-new one from spares stash
1888061;1547757662;asciilifeform;imaged spare -- same res.
1888062;1547757724;asciilifeform;near as i can tell, thing ends up fetching bitrotted blox from disk (ssd stix) and dies, unsurprisingly, at ~rando
1888063;1547757733;asciilifeform;near as i can tell, thing ends up fetching bitrotted blox from disk (ssd stix) and dies, unsurprisingly, at ~random points in first few min of life
1888064;1547757751;asciilifeform;grrr 1s
1888065;1547757777;mod6;You recently added the thermal module right?
1888066;1547757789;mircea_popescu;so the init doesn't complete
1888067;1547757792;asciilifeform;mod6: BingoBoingo added forced air when we installed disks
1888068;1547757802;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: on 1 run, completed, death came 30sec into ssh session
1888069;1547757809;mod6;aka 'rockchip-thermal' or is that in the default kern?
1888070;1547757821;asciilifeform;mod6: that's neither here nor there, it's a cpu temp reader thing
1888071;1547757830;asciilifeform;mod6: i thought you were asking re forced air
1888072;1547757837;mod6;Just was wondering if that was somehow making the thing barf.
1888073;1547757839;mircea_popescu;hm
1888074;1547757841;asciilifeform;asciilifeform's kernel for rk does not support loadable modules
1888075;1547757847;asciilifeform;and all 5 functioning units are running same.
1888076;1547757856;mod6;Alright
1888077;1547757906;mircea_popescu;looky : yet in ~every~ case it initializes the ram.
1888078;1547757908;asciilifeform;asciilifeform-baked softs on this unit are identical to the other 5.
1888079;1547757916;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not only, it does make it to the kernel
1888080;1547757917;mircea_popescu;that's by far the larger spot. how does this broken cpu get through ddr ?
1888081;1547757927;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i suspect zapped , somehow, usb controller
1888082;1547757952;asciilifeform;possibly as consequence of cleaning, or of the earlier dud drives ( tho none of other 5 were similarly afflicted )
1888083;1547757971;asciilifeform;i.e. it gets through 1) mask rom 2) load of kernel from sd
1888084;1547757980;asciilifeform;dies when kernel begins to load things off the stick.
1888085;1547757990;asciilifeform;hence why i initially said 'hey, BingoBoingo , loox like another dead stick..'
1888086;1547758053;asciilifeform;notably, a test using the auxiliary (usb2.0) jack returned same result.
1888087;1547758083;asciilifeform;if mircea_popescu or anybody else can think of other interesting tests to conduct on this sad box, i'm all ears.
1888088;1547758111;asciilifeform;a test with independent (from other 5) power supply, also returned same.
1888089;1547758139;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo sweated in the cage for last coupla hrs , tryin' these.
1888090;1547758275;asciilifeform;i asked him to go there when i sat down to make accts for the uy1 people on the thing, and found that : 'ssh_exchange_identification: read: Connection reset by peer'
1888091;1547758305;asciilifeform;previously only ever saw this on boxes with dead disks. what happens there is that sshd eats new connection and then goes to read from hdd and unix eggogs, so it drops
1888092;1547758333;asciilifeform;on reset , thing failed to revv up to pingability at all. so i asked for the uart snake.
1888093;1547758337;asciilifeform;and we went from there.
1888094;1547758886;asciilifeform;i picked rk orig. not even because of price, but specifically cuz it contains, on the pcb itself, nuffin (known to be) writeable, all of state is loaded from sd and afterwards usb. so i dun expect to be able to tell much from autopsy of the unit, when i get it here
1888095;1547758994;asciilifeform;given as the other 5 units of pilot plant are still standing, i suspect straight chinese rot, rather than bomb.
1888096;1547759009;asciilifeform;but cannot specifically show either way atm.
1888097;1547759145;mircea_popescu;well, i'm not sure what your decision tree is like, exactly. but proceeding logically : 1) it can not be the case cpu is sad on rk ; 2) it is not shown that deffect is organic rather than nsatronic ; 3) the selling point of rk is cheapness/disposability. you can afford  to throw these away, unlike an adult server board+deckings.
1888098;1547759166;mircea_popescu;now, if indeed per 2 enemy can perma-trash your boxes, then 3 becomes moot.
1888099;1547759174;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: all of this is troo
1888100;1547759189;asciilifeform;not sure why enemy would start with idle unit rather than, e.g., diana_coman's, tho
1888101;1547759189;mircea_popescu;otherwise, you amply do not care : a box that crashes on diddling is as valuable as an undiddlable box.
1888102;1547759198;mircea_popescu;they are affordable, and so you have a very strong position there.
1888103;1547759226;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: hence my earlier observation. we still gotta build 2nd plant, but it'll have to be constructed slightly differently, initially i was gonna stack'em
1888104;1547759228;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform im just saying, that the only serious problem here is if in fact eve can fuck your box by feeding it magic packet
1888105;1547759276;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if 'magic packet', then decision tree of enemy is somewhat perplexing, why start with only 1 box ( why not nuke all 6 ? and have asciilifeform chasing dud power supply etc ) , or why not start with a live box.
1888106;1547759288;mircea_popescu;nfi.
1888107;1547759340;mircea_popescu;it certainly could be a failing coupling in usb jack, or somesuch.
1888108;1547759346;asciilifeform;2 jacks.
1888109;1547759427;asciilifeform;the problem with the whole thing being 'disposable', i.e. housed on 3chips (the cpu, ethernet, and ram, seem to be the only separate crystals on the pcb) , is that nuffin useful can be squeezed from the dud.
1888110;1547759506;asciilifeform;if one supposes 'organic' failure, 1 out of 6 boards smoked in the span of <9 months, is pretty high smoke rate.
1888111;1547759543;asciilifeform;i'd quite like to 'ha, i'ma throw rk, and use $x', but i haven't any lead on a usable $x.
1888112;1547759550;*;BingoBoingo suspects USB controller gone sad, Going to extract sad RK when the fingers are feeling nimbler
1888113;1547759558;asciilifeform;ohai BingoBoingo
1888114;1547759561;BingoBoingo;hai
1888115;1547759675;*;BingoBoingo trying to limit the multitasking
1888116;1547759683;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: quite annoyingly, usb controller is on-die peripheral on rk3328.
1888117;1547759699;asciilifeform;so not even possible to 'let's detach from pcb in asciilifeform's torture room and see if dud usb ic'
1888118;1547759749;mod6;Ah, :/
1888119;1547759772;asciilifeform;mod6: why didja think they were small & cheap. nearly errything is on 1 ic.
1888120;1547759797;mod6;makes sense.
1888121;1547759801;mircea_popescu;i still don't see the problem, 1 in 6 failure rate ? was the one closest to the suspected hotbox from prev week ?
1888122;1547759831;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they're all in a breadbox-sized shelf, quite far from uy1. and with own forced air.
1888123;1547759869;mircea_popescu;logs yu published do look like intermittend ssd failure.
1888124;1547759872;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It's not particularly close. Spent a good chunk of time cleaning it yesterday. This particular one has been iffy since the sad cheep USBs started failing.
1888125;1547759875;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ikr?
1888126;1547759883;mircea_popescu;yes.
1888127;1547759897;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo what;s iffy mean here ?
1888128;1547759920;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Took multiple power cycling to boot up in a way that responds to ping.
1888129;1547759924;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: iirc it stood up when we swapped disks the earlier time. but no one's lived in it since.
1888130;1547759938;diana_coman;did this RK died while being unused ? a log search for it shows only something in August last year - new master img deployed http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-08#1840376
1888131;1547759938;a111;Logged on 2018-08-08 16:58 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'ma test new kernel today, then tomorrow will ask BingoBoingo to power down rk-c and put disk in dulap to i can snap new master img, then it will go into service ( and can reimage BingoBoingo also ) .
1888132;1547759945;asciilifeform;diana_coman: correct
1888133;1547759966;asciilifeform;uninhabited since it disk swap; last housed mod6 ( who moved to a vacant, at the time, unit, when we swapped disks )
1888134;1547759993;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> uninhabited since it disk swap; last housed mod6 ( who moved to a vacant, at the time, unit, when we swapped disks ) << Uninhabited last housed me.
1888135;1547759998;asciilifeform;ah
1888136;1547760020;asciilifeform;diana_coman's point stands tho, conceivable that it was already rotten even then
1888137;1547760023;BingoBoingo;Is that vacant one because stood up with the vacant RK drive but fought my image.
1888138;1547760026;asciilifeform;so could be 'bathtub curve'
1888139;1547760053;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i'ma order 3 rk's.
1888140;1547760070;asciilifeform;( simply for pilot spares, for nao ; others later )
1888141;1547760084;diana_coman;is that repeated power cycle something that was encountered before?
1888142;1547760110;asciilifeform;diana_coman: not iirc. BingoBoingo did you observe this prior ?
1888143;1547760117;asciilifeform;and if so, when
1888144;1547760129;diana_coman;or was it even possible to figure out what required it / what was the underlying issue?
1888145;1547760139;asciilifeform;( chalked up to dirty contacts ? )
1888146;1547760156;asciilifeform;diana_coman: the problem with these boxes, is that there is essentially 0 meaningful debug possible
1888147;1547760162;asciilifeform;aside from 'it boots' 'it dies'
1888148;1547760170;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It's the behavior we observed with the sad drives. Have not observed this post sad drives on any other RK.
1888149;1547760170;asciilifeform;there's the uart, and that's ~it
1888150;1547760191;diana_coman;yes, I'm scratching here at anything at all; not much I can see otherwise
1888151;1547760213;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i'm all ears, even re the oddest hypothesis anybody can think of.
1888152;1547760255;diana_coman;did this one die with a sad drive too or was it changed before it really died on it?
1888153;1547760267;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: This one died with sad drive as well
1888154;1547760268;asciilifeform;diana_coman: died with sad drive.
1888155;1547760291;asciilifeform;was stood up again with new drive. ( and then ~again~ today with fresh one , of same type as presently used by e.g. diana_coman ), same res.
1888156;1547760322;diana_coman;so at first new drive it required several power cycles but then it seemed fine?
1888157;1547760332;BingoBoingo;residue from sad drive contacts was was removed like on the other RK's
1888158;1547760337;asciilifeform;asciilifeform was gettin' ready to grumble re rotten usb drives in the l0gz today. instead nao grumbles re dead rk..
1888159;1547760356;BingoBoingo;<diana_coman> so at first new drive it required several power cycles but then it seemed fine? << But only with the vacant drive. Not with my RK drive.
1888160;1547760394;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i think diana_coman's q is re the time it was stood up with new drive in aug. do you recall any peculiarity re rk-c at end of that ?
1888161;1547760398;diana_coman;I guess it's hard to tell whether it wasn't rotten at that time already; for some reason (what?!) worse than the others aka not just the drive
1888162;1547760423;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i'd luvv to establish an exact time of death for the thing. presently unknown tho.
1888163;1547760465;diana_coman;I suppose it might be worth adding some automated daily check at least connects? gives time of day/whatever? for unused units
1888164;1547760476;diana_coman;so at least you don't get surprises when you need to use them
1888165;1547760487;asciilifeform;diana_coman: once we actually have vacant rk again, i'ma absolutely institute mechanical life tests for'em.
1888166;1547760500;asciilifeform;given as they apparently are made of toiletpaper.
1888167;1547760505;BingoBoingo;It had more drive insertions, removals, and power cycles than the others.
1888168;1547760552;*;asciilifeform nao has mega-headache, will return in ~2hr
1888169;1547760663;BingoBoingo;FWIW the email spam folder has a lot of spam with attachments today. Usual month ~0 of these
1888170;1547760750;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2010/cetateni-jurnalisti-si-liceeni-jurnalisti/#selection-77.445-77.1377 << in other lulz, check out the endless list of names of anonymous nobodies.
1888171;1547760802;mircea_popescu;short decade ago, these self-same morons convinced themselves and maybe any dependent preteen children / some dumber than average wives&girlfriends they "run the world", or as close an approximation to that vaunted state as practicable.
1888172;1547760851;mircea_popescu;remarkably no jews there either.
1888173;1547761490;BingoBoingo;!Qlater tell lobbes http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/nBG6Y/?raw=true
1888174;1547761490;lobbesbot;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
1888175;1547761652;BingoBoingo;If you have been using Pizarro shared hosting your IRC bouncer you are invited to stand up an IRC bouncer on my Rockchip as the vacant Rockchip appears to have failed.
1888176;1547763552;lobbes;ty BingoBoingo. login successful. Will attempt irssi setup later and report back
1888177;1547763552;lobbesbot;lobbes: Sent 34 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/nBG6Y/?raw=true
1888178;1547763562;BingoBoingo;lobbes ty
1888179;1547763572;BingoBoingo;About to do some errands
1888180;1547763708;mod6;Sounds good, thanks for your sweat today.
1888181;1547770359;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/01/trump-cancels-pantsuit-vacation-party/ << Qntra -- Trump Cancels Pantsuit Vacation Party
1888182;1547779042;asciilifeform;in other noose, Official mainline linux kernel nao infected with gcc7ism : https://lore.kernel.org/patchwork/patch/1022874/
1888183;1547779161;asciilifeform;( under guise of supposed cure for 'meltdown' . tldr : not cure, noshit. and 'why don't you want gcc7, terrorist' )
1888184;1547782637;mircea_popescu;i can't believe their process still includes email.
1888185;1547786191;mircea_popescu;https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5306605/Millionaire-baronet-Sir-Benjamin-Slade-70-single.html << meanwhile in other lulz, fellow looking for castle training breeder.
1888186;1547786197;mircea_popescu;castle trained*
1888187;1547800061;feedbot;http://bimbo.club/2019/01/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-octob-novem-and-decem-1716-part-ii/ << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of Octob. Novem. and Decem. 1716. - Part II.
1888188;1547828154;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/pizd-atrage-da-curu-trage-ca-n-viata-tragic/ << Trilema -- Pizd-atrage da' curu' trage. Ca-n viata : tragic.
1888189;1547830244;mircea_popescu;that poor theresa may moron. so they "rejected" her plan, ie, they set up a scapegoat to "come up with a plan" for the distinct purpose of rejecting it loudly whatever it may be.
1888190;1547830262;mircea_popescu;what sort of hay must the brainbox of this "independent" "careerwoman" contain to not realise as much ?
1888191;1547830314;mircea_popescu;and as far as "they" are concerned... there goes england, today in the exact same political position as if it had simply handed over the empire to wilhelm in 1905 -- minus, of course, the cost of two costly wars with germany.
1888192;1547830369;mircea_popescu;what've "they" fucking accomplished yet, with their ever-so-clever scapegoating merry-go-round ? economy flats around the ugliest, shittiest town in all of europe, and 12yos who'd rather be raped & set on fire by pakis than talk to "her majesty"'s clerks ?
1888193;1547830563;mircea_popescu;entirely ungovernable item, they've reconstructed historical scotland.
1888194;1547830753;BingoBoingo;Kinda the problems all the "independent" "careerwomen" are running into, no?
1888195;1547830760;mircea_popescu;isn't it the truth.
1888196;1547830795;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in not even terrible editorial work, https://theweek.com/articles-amp/818269/theresa-mays-undead-government
1888197;1547830915;BingoBoingo;Look at Pelosi, all the other career women are telling her to respond to everything Trump does as though a toddler is having a tantrum (i.e. ignoring him unless he 'calms down' for an impossible in this case definition of calm down). Nevermind the response is not only what Trump wants, it is what the hayseeds and others supporting Trump want.
1888198;1547830956;mircea_popescu;one can't help but wonder how'd have thatcher fared in this environment.
1888199;1547830968;mircea_popescu;i suspect the problem's very much that the 2020s are not the 1980s, naught else.
1888200;1547831040;mircea_popescu;but anyway, in the us the strictly only avenue left to the dnc is to "pretend" to "ignore". if they engage they get crushed. the party's already gone as a going concern, for which reason : the only way an imaginary party can continue its imagined hold on worldly things is through "ignoring" them.
1888201;1547831068;mircea_popescu;aka, "close your eyes and think of the empire".
1888202;1547831150;BingoBoingo;Ah, to look back at period Qntra pieces http://qntra.net/2016/07/theresa-may-british-pm-after-no-one-else-wants-job-following-brexit-vote/
1888203;1547831232;mircea_popescu;"Many paternalist conservatives, including those of the "One Nation" tendency with which May identifies, have made a point of disagreeing with Lady Thatcher's famous dictum that there is no such thing as society. But it increasingly looks as if she was right. We don't have society anymore but rather an economy." << incidentally, that is EXACTRLY what gave europe the villa economy, hence villeins ie diocletian's chained plebs,
1888204;1547831232;mircea_popescu; and so on.
1888205;1547831242;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo ayup.
1888206;1547831426;BingoBoingo;From here the British problem is you have this giant Island farm unified after centuries of clan disputes. After the farm is unified the winning family... retires.
1888207;1547831521;mircea_popescu;in any case, it must be said "Whether this is an especially noble reason for not engaging in civil war is an open question, but the fact remains that in the end what binds nations together is not some windy romantic nonsense about "culture" or "heritage" or "the soil" but commerce." is flatly wrong.
1888208;1547831556;mircea_popescu;what creates a nation is shared meaning, strictly in the sense of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1704268
1888209;1547831556;a111;Logged on 2017-08-28 23:10 mircea_popescu: kanzure " Obviously there is no possiblity of meaning outside of a structure of authority, and the authority can not be predicated on the meaning."
1888210;1547831607;mircea_popescu;the country, and with it the nation, exists from and of the king, that crispin's day speech is what every "constitution" has been trying to be ever since.
1888211;1547831721;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/matthewwalther << someone drop him a loglink, if anyone still has a twitter
1888212;1547831825;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i suspect the english last had 'shared meaning', if ever, was before the normals lowered'em
1888213;1547831831;asciilifeform;*normans
1888214;1547831845;asciilifeform;possibly not even then.
1888215;1547831846;mircea_popescu;nah, i gave example, it was certainly there at crecy etc.
1888216;1547831995;asciilifeform;relatedly, https://archive.is/sXqHN << 4 u.s. grunts Officially kia, in 'cancelled' war
1888217;1547832015;mircea_popescu;in fact, all signs point to oscar wilde & friends. that's when it all died -- oxford, the crown, culture, everything.
1888218;1547832031;asciilifeform;( incl. nsa chix. apparently they send'em to the front nao )
1888219;1547832043;mircea_popescu;in fact, that (ulteriorly reconstructed) scene between whistler, wilde, shaw and albert-edward (for whom, let's not forget, the cockpiece is named) is pretty much the exact historical moment.
1888220;1547832146;mircea_popescu;Navy Chief Cryptologic Technician Shannon M. Kent, 35. keks mmkay.
1888221;1547832326;mircea_popescu;ie, worked for cwa-66, item recently (months ago) created by the 2017 vintage cwa-6 (itself a rebranding of NIOC Maryland aka NSGA Fort Meade).
1888222;1547832437;mircea_popescu;that they don't do anything in particular should be self-evident, but here's some lulz re "intelligent design" :
1888223;1547832439;mircea_popescu;"Today (Aug 10) at 1000 EST, under the leadership of VADM T. J. White, Cryptologic Warfare Group-SIX (CWG-SIX) will establish Cryptologic Warfare Activity (CWA) 65, Cryptologic Warfare Activity (CWA) 66 and Cryptologic Warfare Activity (CWA) 67. CDR Mark Boggis will take command of CWA 65, CDR Joseph Harrison will take command of CWA 66 and CDR William Wilson will take command of CWA 67. CWG-6 was established on June 9, 2017
1888224;1547832439;mircea_popescu;during a ceremony that also included the establishment of three additional subordinate commands: Cryptologic Warfare Maritime Activity (CWMA) 61, Cyber Strike Activity (CSA) 63 and Cyber Defense Activity (CDA) 64."
1888225;1547832532;mircea_popescu;check out that beautiful instruction set : 01 : warfare maritime ; 02 : [cocksucking, redacted] ; 03 : strike ; 04 : defense ; 05 : warfare ; 06 : warfare ; 07 : warfare.
1888226;1547832542;mircea_popescu;wouldn't you like a processor like that ?
1888227;1547832599;asciilifeform;lol 67th cocksucking battalion
1888228;1547832665;mircea_popescu;i don't even need to declassify anything to make it plainly evident shannon kent wasted her youth on java.
1888229;1547833107;asciilifeform;the bureaucracy 'codes' are sumthingelse... there was a time when asciilifeform slaved in a usg army research thing, and their 'job codes' were written in 1960s, there was no 'programmer'. so ended up 'chemist'.
1888230;1547833507;mircea_popescu;point here being, that they crearted a thing, a year ago. and then the thing they created a year ago was found not good, and was reformed, months ago. and reformed it stands as called, and well... the minds that think thus think thus, and do everything else exactly as you'\d expect.
1888231;1547833620;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc they endlessly and pointlessly rename units, it somehow triggers disgorgement of fresh green from printing press, so the generals rubber stamp it
1888232;1547833793;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-18#1888188 << oh hey , was this same grandfather as 'i miss stalin, we were younger then' ?
1888233;1547833793;a111;Logged on 2019-01-18 16:15 feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/pizd-atrage-da-curu-trage-ca-n-viata-tragic/ << Trilema -- Pizd-atrage da' curu' trage. Ca-n viata : tragic.
1888234;1547833806;mircea_popescu;it is.
1888235;1547833947;asciilifeform;i had 1 of these. ( 3yo a.: 'grandfather, what do soldiers do after the war' him:'die' )
1888236;1547834546;mircea_popescu;heh
1888237;1547835132;mircea_popescu;and speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-12#1871537 : that's precisely how said albert-edward met christian's alexandra.
1888238;1547835132;a111;Logged on 2018-11-12 16:44 asciilifeform: even on asciilifeform's home planet, good chunk of marriages were 'soft-arranged' -- i.e. 'comrade colonel, you have a bachelor son, i have a ripe daughter' 'comrade lt colonel, let's box'em in a room, wainot'
1888239;1547837796;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in old lulzthreads via mircea_popescu's linx, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704991
1888240;1547837796;a111;Logged on 2017-08-29 16:05 kanzure: that's a reasonable request. i'll make catalog.
1888241;1547837832;mircea_popescu;im sure if we had a code of conduct to guarantee greater accessibility and respect for all morons, a lot more catalogs would be produced.
1888242;1547837848;asciilifeform;lol
1888243;1547837884;mircea_popescu;cuz that's what the scum was saying, back in 1910, to get "the people's budget" nonsense passed into law : that the one thing keeping them shameful maculae on the face of humanity is how the lordship doesn't treat them well enough.
1888244;1547837913;mircea_popescu;pro tip : whenever the inferior whine about maltreatment, it's a sure sign as if god spoke himself that you're sparing the rod excessively, and spoiling the children in consequence.
1888245;1547837939;asciilifeform;there was that old mircea_popescu piece, with the bear & the hedgehog
1888246;1547837946;asciilifeform;'through what did you speak, hedgehog'
1888247;1547837977;mircea_popescu;ha.
1888248;1547838349;mircea_popescu;"This is a war Budget. It is for raising money to wage implacable warfare against poverty and squalidness. I cannot help hoping and believing that before this generation has passed away, we shall have advanced a great step towards that good time, when poverty, and the wretchedness and human degradation which always follows in its camp, will be as remote to the people of this country as the wolves which once infested its fores
1888249;1547838350;mircea_popescu;ts."
1888250;1547838364;mircea_popescu;schmucks. where's may's speech taking account how HOW UTTERLY THAT UTOPIA FAILED!
1888251;1547838404;mircea_popescu;they advanced such a great step towards good time i couldn't begin to tell you.
1888252;1547838440;asciilifeform;where was this?
1888253;1547838472;mircea_popescu;"people's budget"
1888254;1547838876;asciilifeform;hrm, is the d. l. george 'dreadnoughts' speech actually on the net anywhere ?
1888255;1547838879;asciilifeform;can't seem to find it..
1888256;1547838954;mircea_popescu;ie, "duke more expensive to upkeep than battleship but easier to scrap" ?
1888257;1547838964;asciilifeform;that
1888258;1547838967;mircea_popescu;their own damned fault, should have simply fired cannon into the idiot's house.
1888259;1547838991;asciilifeform;tbf the brits at that point had a 100+ yr pest control problem
1888260;1547838993;mircea_popescu;duke of york, raises yeomanry, goes to london hangs lloyd george by the appendix. big whoop.
1888261;1547839012;asciilifeform;( when was last time duke of x ~had~ what to raise )
1888262;1547839038;mircea_popescu;yet the man said, "In any century before this one, a people as divided as the British over Europe would have started murdering each other long ago. "
1888263;1547839059;mircea_popescu;this is not strictly true. if i were duke in 1810 -- my house army'd been besieging london.
1888264;1547839071;mircea_popescu;the actual dukes of 1910 -- opted otherwise.
1888265;1547839086;asciilifeform;did they even have 'house army' at that pt ? or already long ago neutered
1888266;1547839096;mircea_popescu;but as a factual matter : "tearing down" a duke is always easy enough from behind. dealing with the cost-of-consequence of having torn down your duke, intractable problem.
1888267;1547839101;mircea_popescu;easy enough to build battleships again.
1888268;1547839118;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform long ago neutered. also their damned fault.
1888269;1547839148;asciilifeform;seems that'd be the moment of death then. not some 1900s communist lolcow's speech.
1888270;1547839237;asciilifeform;i suspect that mircea_popescu would find meiji era jp an interesting subj. there, the dukes actually ~did~ march 'house armies' on the newly-pantsuited capital.
1888271;1547839263;asciilifeform;and it was a pretty close match.
1888272;1547839781;BingoBoingo;The Japanese lords did as they should
1888273;1547839830;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/IJxO8/?raw=true
1888274;1547839862;asciilifeform;oh ty
1888275;1547840423;BingoBoingo;"forty cottages had to be crowded on two acres" << This doesn't seem very dense at all for horizontal development.
1888276;1547840464;mircea_popescu;hey, england meanwhile improved.
1888277;1547840514;BingoBoingo;Down right spacious
1888278;1547840564;mircea_popescu;a century of "we are doing things for the poor" bore its fruits.
1888279;1547840627;mircea_popescu;that some random knave ran away from mansion service imagined himself apt to evaluate "what will happen", and then evaluated wrongly is one thing. "who could have predicted", back in 1909, that there's only one kind of poor -- the ~deserving~ poor.
1888280;1547840631;mircea_popescu;but it's not 1909 anymore.
1888281;1547840827;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: dunno, standard ameri-suburbia is 4 cardboard boxen per.
1888282;1547840877;asciilifeform;40 / 2 sounds moar like current-day ameri-trailerpark
1888283;1547840913;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: suburbia isn't a thing to compare here. Suburbia is 4-8 derps per acre paying ground rent to the mammy lords at the school house while imagining themselves lords because of cheap credit.
1888284;1547840953;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I'm comparing 40 an acre to the horizontal apartment complexes locally here
1888285;1547841018;mircea_popescu;4k sqm per acre, so like 200sqm per house, is WAY more than london currently sports. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/property/2016/04/12/58410017_C8FHW7_Terraced_houses_Wilson_Road_Camberwell_London_Borough_of_Lambeth_London_Greater_Lond_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqplGOf-dgG3z4gg9owgQTXEk5YRMpZagQrlVp-I8j3oU.jpg << item is the approximate location in discussion, between lea and thames
1888286;1547841024;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: meanwhile, on uy1, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/7QcPb/?raw=true
1888287;1547841126;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: How hot is "battery temperature high" in this context
1888288;1547841134;asciilifeform;>60
1888289;1547841152;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i'ma include new ones in the cargo, it's a 20 $ part
1888290;1547841182;asciilifeform;and incidentally the cards run fine without'em, it's a 'parachute' component
1888291;1547841275;asciilifeform;it powers the write cache on the card. but with fast ssd, that cache gets flushed pretty quickly. ( and battery only comes into play if mains fail )
1888292;1547841640;BingoBoingo;Any other UY1 observations?
1888293;1547841652;asciilifeform;nope
1888294;1547841661;asciilifeform;cpu at 54.
1888295;1547841716;asciilifeform;( it hovers in high 40s when 0 traffic on box, and 50s when there is )
1888296;1547842089;BingoBoingo;Is this the first time since instrumenting that the high battery temperature warning has happened?
1888297;1547842145;*;BingoBoingo would like to see if this battery can be sourced locally
1888298;1547842482;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i've never seen'em sold anywhere other than china.
1888299;1547842521;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 1st time since instrumenting, but happens regularly on my local boxen, generally not fatal ( controller will cut it off before it catches fire. ) contributes to overall thermal climate tho
1888300;1547843407;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: GPG me the part number. I'd still like to look. If I find one the value of knowing where it came from would be far greater than the battery.
1888301;1547849035;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: LSIiBBU07 .
1888302;1547849045;BingoBoingo;ty
1888303;1547849628;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: btw, plox to re-inventory the bilge at yer earliest convenience
1888304;1547849639;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Will do this weekend
1888305;1547849654;asciilifeform;ty BingoBoingo . i'd rather not waste precious cargo mass on items we already have, etc
1888306;1547849662;BingoBoingo;Right
1888307;1547851085;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/01/black-horse-down-uk-faster-interbank-payment-network-fucking-lloyds-group-banks/ << Qntra -- Black Horse Down: UK 'Faster' Interbank Payment Network Fucking Lloyds Group Banks
1888308;1547851712;BingoBoingo;And a new MUGA contender appears: https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/gustavo-salle-sera-candidato-para-hacer-cambios-en-uruguay-con-sangre-sudor-y-lagrimas--2019118181041
1888309;1547852318;asciilifeform;con-sangre-sudor-y-lagrimas << lol, did he also add that 'it will be long, and it will be hard, and there shall be no withdrawal!'(tm)(r) ?
1888310;1547852761;BingoBoingo;Not explicitly
1888311;1547855108;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/01/local-tv-personalities-cant-stop-making-us-national-news-for-saying-martin-luther-coon/ << Qntra -- Local TV Personalities Can't Stop Making US National News For Saying "Martin Luther Coon"
1888312;1547857314;mircea_popescu;martin luther coon keks. not even bad.
1888313;1547857604;mircea_popescu;ssl also sounds like a pretty good meme.
1888314;1547857706;mircea_popescu;in other lulz : http://archive.is/nzVRf
1888315;1547857755;mircea_popescu;i think the list is actually just about right : lexapro, cymbalta, ssri antidepressants, gabapentin, kratom, and finally, with your permission last on the list, afghanistan.
1888316;1547857896;asciilifeform;wtf is kratom
1888317;1547858108;mircea_popescu;meanwhile banned plant extract
1888318;1547858231;feedbot;http://bimbo.club/2019/01/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-july-august-and-september-1716-part-ii/ << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of July, August and September, 1716. - Part II
1888319;1547858861;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It's got some alkaloids that are apparently partial agonists on the opioid receptors. Was explicitly banned once it started making the news for being a potential methadone alternative for relieving overdosable opiate cravings.
1888320;1547858977;BingoBoingo;Some of the better living through Chemistry bloggers promoted it for its own affiliate marketing merits
1888321;1547859836;asciilifeform;!#s jekem
1888322;1547859837;a111;2 results for "jekem", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=jekem
1888323;1547860163;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: There's a whole mess of these plant extracts and research chemicals that get affiliate marketing promoted until crack downs come. Pantsuitists, alt-pantsuitists, and color pillers all get marketed the stuff.
1888324;1547861294;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/01/following-legalization-canadian-cannabis-activist-entrepreneur-marc-emery-hit-with-pantsuit-metoo-depersoning-attack/ << Qntra -- Following Legalization Canadian Cannabis Activist Entrepreneur Marc Emery Hit With Pantsuit #MeToo Depersoning Attack
1888325;1547862393;BingoBoingo;^ For the Pantsuit eating their own, get out of the way files
1888326;1547862523;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-13#794524
1888327;1547862523;a111;Logged on 2014-08-13 14:40 asciilifeform: 'They tend to show up late at parties because they figure they can always steal the cake anyway, so why bother go early ? Let the suckers figure out first - on their own dime - where the good cakes are, then just swoop in and collect... This means the only way they can get in is if you let them get in. Don’t let them get in for cheap - they have no business here.' (mp's http://trilema.com/2014/people-us-dollar
1888328;1547865181;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: So much trilema, so few words to tag with links to trilema
1888329;1547869165;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i find it interesting how usaschwitz inmates will do literally ~any~ dope, even the expensive obummercare-'prescription' crapola, just to take a few hour's 'vacation' from 'how world works'(tm)(r)
1888330;1547869185;asciilifeform;moar narrow-minded orcs back on asciilifeform's home planet, drank paint thinner, laquer, etc when couldnt afford liquor, for same
1888331;1547869284;asciilifeform;( and near as i can tell, ~100% of usg 'dope policy' is simply own competition for dope konsoomers. but i'm not particularly qualified to opine, nao if only gabriel_laddel were around... )
1888332;1547869417;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i was doing the annoying but occasionally inescapable chore of sweeping out a spamola-encrusted mailbox, and ~100% of the spams were for something nominally smokable/pillable/etc
1888333;1547869754;BingoBoingo;I've encountered quite a bit of it in my spam traps as well as searching for life various all comers spam traps.
1888334;1547870007;mircea_popescu;what the fuck is  Don’t
1888335;1547870064;mircea_popescu;Don't let them get in for cheap
1888336;1547870156;mircea_popescu;&#039; as god intended it. wtf happened there.
1888337;1547870173;*;BingoBoingo remembers early Qntra days when spamtrap was mostly 'Can't believe its not name brand apparel outlet', but that has just about all been replaced by drugspam
1888338;1547905821;mircea_popescu;aaand in wtf lulz, http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-14#1886738 item died again, same exact details, same exact item, jan 15th (ie, it ran for ~day). ima finally get my ass into gear and debug-run it.
1888339;1547905821;a111;Logged on 2019-01-14 03:53 mircea_popescu: in other arcana : i have here a copy of trb that has died a mysterious death on dec 31st. the process itself hasn't returned, ps aux lists it as expected, however the last time it touched any files was two weeks ago, nor does a call to getinfo ever return.
1888340;1547916367;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: sounds potentially interesting. ( if you publish outputs, plox to not forget to say what pressing that trb was made from )
1888341;1547916465;asciilifeform;in other noose, all temps on uy1 in-range.
1888342;1547917445;BingoBoingo;ty
1888343;1547920599;asciilifeform;briefly revisiting the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-18#1888182 find : 'CONFIG_RETPOLINE=n' yields a working kernel (with gcc 4.x), for nao.
1888344;1547920599;a111;Logged on 2019-01-18 02:37 asciilifeform: in other noose, Official mainline linux kernel nao infected with gcc7ism : https://lore.kernel.org/patchwork/patch/1022874/
1888345;1547920645;asciilifeform;( and before anyone loses appetite, this experiment was on a test box in torture room, not in pizarro )
1888346;1547921469;mircea_popescu;that "trampoline" bs is so fucking retarded...
1888347;1547921482;mircea_popescu;really, "infinite non-returning loop" to prevent intel shitware from "speculating" ?
1888348;1547921488;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i dug, and , unsurprisingly, a google production
1888349;1547921488;mircea_popescu;gimme a break.
1888350;1547921562;*;asciilifeform takes the occasion to observe that ffa is 'speculation'-proof, not only in theory but as empirically tested on 7 ( & counting ) intel boxen of various vintages
1888351;1547921608;mircea_popescu;leaving aside how it doesn't even fucking work.
1888352;1547921637;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what would it mean for the kludge to 'work' ? it aint as if x86 actually offers process isolation.
1888353;1547921681;asciilifeform;it 'works' in the same way as other 'nobus-maintenance' kludges (e.g. koch's 2016 patch) 'work' -- raise bar so that nobus
1888354;1547921758;mircea_popescu;not ffa ; the "lfence" bs i mean.
1888355;1547921764;asciilifeform;yea i get
1888356;1547921770;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform turn off intel\s "helpful" bs ?
1888357;1547921777;asciilifeform;it dun have an off switch tho
1888358;1547921778;mircea_popescu;rather than "turn it off 78% of tyhe time or so" ?
1888359;1547921792;mircea_popescu;it'd still what it'd mean for it to work.
1888360;1547921819;asciilifeform;rright, but to get any actual effect would have to also offer offswitch for 9000 other idjit 'optimizations'
1888361;1547921835;asciilifeform;(i.e. kludges introduced so that winblowz will run in slightly less geological time, 1990s-current)
1888362;1547921862;asciilifeform;errything from tlb cache to branch diddling to 'hyperthread' to 'register-renaming' to... etc
1888363;1547921923;mircea_popescu;it's high time for an actually functional cpu.
1888364;1547921926;asciilifeform;naggum's http://www.loper-os.org/?p=165#selection-85.0-85.510 thing dun merely apply to c. it applies just same to the 'progress' of intel shitirons.
1888365;1547921950;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-deal-with-pseudoscience/ very much apropos all this "knowledge".
1888366;1547921974;asciilifeform;it appears 'fast' cuz fulla various 'and now we can cut THIS corner' crapola.
1888367;1547922195;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's been high-time for many many yrs.
1888368;1547922222;asciilifeform;the retardation of intel was quite clear even when 386 was being pushed.
1888369;1547922222;mircea_popescu;i guess so.
1888370;1547922357;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: observe that all of the various Official 'speculative leak' kludges, ~even supposing they worked 100% of time~, only apply to ~kernel~ -- they do 0 to prevent 'ring3' (luserland) processes from leaking
1888371;1547922389;mircea_popescu;haha, what, you compile with the same ~special, purpose made~ gcc flag!!!
1888372;1547922402;mircea_popescu;fucking hell this bs, srsly, gcc now comes with a kernel-specific purpose flag ?
1888373;1547922409;mircea_popescu;what the fuck happened to all the foss pretense!
1888374;1547922418;asciilifeform;whole thrust is to 'nobus-maintain' the scenario where you buy 5 cpu-minutes on lullazon's cluster and get root. rather than to keep neighbouring lullazon-hruscheba tenants from fucking one another
1888375;1547922455;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's a google-submitted patch, and it got eaten by the new, 'improved' torvalds, near as i can tell
1888376;1547922474;mircea_popescu;im talking of gcc.
1888377;1547922477;asciilifeform;aa
1888378;1547922486;mircea_popescu;nobody gives a shit about "linux kernel", or coc-linux altogether.
1888379;1547922488;asciilifeform;on ~that~ end, the human mushroom looong ago opened the gates.
1888380;1547922636;asciilifeform;Official gcc is , didja know, up to version ~8~ nao. and packed fulla 'beautiful surprises', this is by no means the only 1.
1888381;1547922822;mircea_popescu;useless turdheads, what fucking torvalds.
1888382;1547922894;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: his last , near as i can tell, act as a human, was to try & keep this liquishit out of his signed kernel tree. for which he was 'retired'.
1888383;1547922902;asciilifeform;nao it's a google et al. kernel.
1888384;1547922930;asciilifeform;as for gcc, the mushroom let it go in mid-2000s, moar or less.
1888385;1547923312;asciilifeform;the gcc5+ gnomes, occupy selves with cranking out 'mandatory' kludges for intelism; removing backend support for vintage, marginally-sane archs (alpha, hitachi, etc); gluing-with-broken-glass various incompatibilities to prevent coad developed under 5+ from building under 4.x; inserting 'optimizations' that snake around naive cprogrammer attempts at bounds-constraint; and so forth.
1888386;1547923371;asciilifeform;quite likely they have an eventual capitulation to llvm ( and 'unification of the churches'(tm) ) planned as well, but i have nfi what's the holdup there
1888387;1547923404;mircea_popescu;meanwhile @reddit, https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackWorldOrder/comments/6b6l12/what_can_i_as_a_pussyfree_virgin_whiteboi_do_to/
1888388;1547923447;asciilifeform;'lock my clit' ?!
1888389;1547923461;asciilifeform;wtf's that mean in context of (what is evidently a) trans-whatever ?
1888390;1547923682;mircea_popescu;i expect something in the vein of https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQp94hcW0AAwFYQ.jpg
1888391;1547923713;asciilifeform;lol that's a , didjaknow, standard usa mains current meter seal.
1888392;1547923747;mircea_popescu;what is ?!
1888393;1547923754;asciilifeform;the item on left hand of photo.
1888394;1547923766;asciilifeform;holding the cock gasket in place
1888395;1547923786;mircea_popescu;haha really ?
1888396;1547923792;mircea_popescu;i imagine they're just cheap.
1888397;1547923797;asciilifeform;in ye olde sovok they used pb seals on iron wire, stamped with signet; but in usa pb is envirowhiner-verboten, ergo plastic
1888398;1547923801;mircea_popescu;very strong undercurrent of cheapness in the usovok these days.
1888399;1547923834;mircea_popescu;anyway, there's a large twitter subculture of this whole thing. all the way to https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxEsy1TWkAEoGgZ.jpg
1888400;1547923848;*;asciilifeform believes
1888401;1547923908;mircea_popescu;kinda funny tho, mexicans gotta do the plumbing, blacks gotta do the fucking, women gotta do the erections... it's just a lotta work for erryone else.
1888402;1547923916;asciilifeform;!#s szabo seals
1888403;1547923917;a111;4 results for "szabo seals", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=szabo%20seals
1888404;1547923927;asciilifeform;^ see also re subj.
1888405;1547924014;asciilifeform;little plastic padlock, comes in crates of 9000 , with consecutive stamped #s. ( not only quite simple to forge, but jimmies with ordinary hairpin, like 19th c. handcuffs , and snaps closed again... )
1888406;1547924037;mircea_popescu;i wonder if they know this.
1888407;1547924113;asciilifeform;whoknows. but given the existence of the masochist folx, not much of a leap to picture the existence also of 'double agent' masochist, who takes delight in seekritly jimmying the cock seal, etc
1888408;1547924196;mircea_popescu;hahaha
1888409;1547924202;mircea_popescu;posers abound, eh ?
1888410;1547924228;asciilifeform;stands to reason there would be 'fractal posers', on 9000 levels of magnification.
1888411;1547924380;mircea_popescu;this is true.
1888412;1547925921;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in sad lulz, https://www.blacktowhite.net/threads/moving-away-from-cuckold-into-stag-vixen.146933/ ("Are people moving away? I'm noticing a shift in ads, profiles and websites that I browse. No one is really looking for a cuckold thing anymore. I got enthralled with the cuckold fantasy and I would love to meet a couple that was for it. But Cuckolds couples are hard to find. Couples, single females are easier but as
1888413;1547925921;mircea_popescu;far as cuckold itself, it seems to be more niche than it was say 5 years ago. Why is that? I'm seeing this stag/vixen thing being mentioned a lot more when I read websites. I didn't even know that was a thing?").
1888414;1547925925;mircea_popescu;who knew nobody gives a shit!!11
1888415;1547932131;BingoBoingo;In other vitage trilema: http://trilema.com/2013/whats-a-sperglord/ A certain Sperglord's tardstalk account has indeed been active since sperging out in 2012-13
1888416;1547932141;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/GP3c8
1888417;1547937604;mircea_popescu;lmao what!
1888418;1547937635;mircea_popescu;right to forgetfulness!!!
1888419;1547937864;BingoBoingo;Hard to tell if the account was sold or traded, but the contrast between hardware entrepreneur in his mind to almost-Pinoy type posts is lulzy
1888420;1547937903;mircea_popescu;lotta sold accounts on tardstalk anyways.
1888421;1547937925;mircea_popescu;usual fate of these things, degenerate in a festival of cucks cucking cucks, usg.fbi style.
1888422;1547937954;BingoBoingo;Indeed, but with the low volume of new posts it is a very cucky cuck transition indeed.
1888423;1547937985;asciilifeform;lol i had nfi tardstalk were still around
1888424;1547938071;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It's a USG target, why would they let the thing go dark and die when they can low effort collect still more noise in the undeadening venue
1888425;1547938091;mircea_popescu;^
1888426;1547938109;asciilifeform;dunno, cuz collects 100% garbage ? ( tho admittedly this never stopped'em before.. )
1888427;1547938138;mircea_popescu;what is http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-12#1880409 , bona fide terrorist ?
1888428;1547938138;a111;Logged on 2018-12-12 22:15 feedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/12/fbi-entraps-young-woman-into-terrorism-charges-by-becoming-her-entire-social-circle/ << Qntra -- FBI Entraps Young Woman Into Terrorism Charges By Becoming Her Entire Social Circle
1888429;1547938148;asciilifeform;!#s death ray
1888430;1547938149;a111;102 results for "death ray", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=death%20ray
1888431;1547938151;asciilifeform;^ see also
1888432;1547938152;mircea_popescu;garbage collects garbage, yes, like you collect protein. what's to be expected ?
1888433;1547938291;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> dunno, cuz collects 100% garbage ? ( tho admittedly this never stopped'em before.. ) << If the USG didn't collect garbage for the sake of collecting garbage how else do you explain the Amazing Java Girl dying in Syria?
1888434;1547938340;BingoBoingo;Or the fact the only people doing the garbage recollection business in USistan with anything approaching the Uruguayo intensity are 'law enforcers'
1888435;1547938467;asciilifeform;'pleez sir buy this very fine islamic death ray , only 0.1 btc'
1888436;1547938475;asciilifeform;if not today then tomorrow, verily
1888437;1547938535;*;asciilifeform admits : was never able to stomach reading tardstalk with any regularity, cuz it ALWAYS read like this, from birth
1888438;1547938595;BingoBoingo;For a while watching hanbot beat the tards was fun until the quality of surviving tard dropped too low
1888439;1547938608;asciilifeform;imho that was the 1st and last readable item there
1888440;1547938638;asciilifeform;kinda like in late '90s asciilifeform read sci.physics just to watch al schwartz trash idjits
1888441;1547938674;asciilifeform;when he ran outta juice for that, i quit reading, there was literally 0 else worth even passing look
1888442;1547938839;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it's a crying shame they didn't send ~all~ the 'java gurlz' to syria, to use for sandbags.
1888443;1547938944;BingoBoingo;Well Orange Man is supposed to give a speech sometime today. Maybe it'll be the orders to deploy them as southern border sandbags to fight Sinaloa/Zeta/Etc
1888444;1547941873;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo there's this theory that if you keep beating them eventually they transcend ; but empirically it turned out you're exactly right, if you beat clay you don't get man, you get silt, ie, finer clay.
1888445;1547941958;mircea_popescu;also, watching the http://trilema.com/2017/color-revolutions-green-or-today-in-usg-corruption-careerism-cronyism-and-malfeasance-in-the-special-warfare-center/ crowd fight short angry machete-equipped latinos would really rock.
1888446;1547942217;BingoBoingo;Well, there's the possibility of that happening in Venezuala though "Greatest Ally Israel" doesn't neighbor Venezuala and therefore need forever war
1888447;1547951043;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile in other fallout from the new penal code: https://www.reddit.com/r/uruguay/comments/ahax04/se_cans%C3%B3_de_esperar_en_banifox_y_se_rob%C3%B3_una_play/
1888448;1547953472;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile there is a story floating around that Wikipedo does not load in Vzla after some stunt changing the President according to wikipedia to an opposition leader. At the same time girl on the ground in Vzla reports that wikipedo does indeed load.
1888449;1547953746;BingoBoingo;The anglophone press is saying sophisticated SSL fuckery is involved in the block rather than the usual DNS shennanigans
1888450;1547953856;BingoBoingo;I suspect USG.NSA.JAVAGURLZ is auditioning for sandbag duty
1888451;1547954379;BingoBoingo;And that aircraft carrier mght be sinking sooner rather than later
1888452;1547960810;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/01/increased-usg-psyops-against-maduro-government-intensify-risk-of-military-confrontation/ << Qntra -- Increased USG Psyops Against Maduro Government Intensify Risk Of Military Confrontation
1888453;1547961125;BingoBoingo;^ Yes I raised the alarm. Efforts to convince me to lower it are welcome. If you are outside my L1 you need to offer a stake and odds for your petition to be considered.
1888454;1547961800;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/1086854906055741440 << mircea_popescu Seems I have yet to get twatter banned
1888455;1547969767;mircea_popescu;apologetic girl -- "today's the last of my hormone pills, might have something to do with it". deaf mp -- "whore moan pills ?!"
1888456;1547998148;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in antiqua, http://btcbase.org/log/2013-12-21#428326
1888457;1547998148;a111;Logged on 2013-12-21 02:07 asciilifeform: http://www.usatoday.com/story/nation/2013/12/19/maj-gen-michael-carey-nuclear-missiles-alcohol/4131963/
1888458;1547998264;feedbot;http://bvt-trace.net/2019/01/experiment-n-way-split-karatsuba/ << bvt's backtrace -- Experiment: N-Way Split Karatsuba
1888459;1547998533;mircea_popescu;ahaha check him out asciilifeform ! MATHEMATICAL NOTATION!
1888460;1547998609;mircea_popescu;apparently, the split variant is ~slower~.
1888461;1547998959;bvt;hello
1888462;1547999011;bvt;re math, i found that htmling it would be unreadable, so decided to use images.
1888463;1547999081;bvt;as far as code speed is concerned, i still don't know whether i fucked up something, or the algorithm is fundamentally slow after some bignum size
1888464;1547999099;bvt;asciilifeform: http://bvt-trace.net/vpatches/ffa_ch1_genesis.kv.vpatch.bvt.sig http://bvt-trace.net/vpatches/ffa_ch2_logicals.kv.vpatch.bvt.sig http://bvt-trace.net/vpatches/ffa_ch3_shifts.kv.vpatch.bvt.sig
1888465;1547999109;bvt;http://bvt-trace.net/vpatches/ffa_ch4_ffacalc.kv.vpatch.bvt.sig http://bvt-trace.net/vpatches/ffa_ch5_egypt.kv.vpatch.bvt.sig http://bvt-trace.net/vpatches/ffa_ch6_simplest_rsa.kv.vpatch.bvt.sig
1888466;1547999174;bvt;will provide more seals after i work with chapters 7-9 more.
1888467;1547999399;mircea_popescu;bvt if you think about it, it has to be slower, because operations are fast and allocations slow.
1888468;1547999726;asciilifeform;bvt, mircea_popescu : http://bvt-trace.net/2019/01/experiment-n-way-split-karatsuba/comment-page-1/#comment-6
1888469;1547999727;bvt;yes, and it's also true for memory accesses. however the number of executed instructions also increased a lot, which makes me suspect that there is something i missed
1888470;1547999796;mircea_popescu;i don't think so.
1888471;1547999822;asciilifeform;bvt: ty for reading, signing, and publishing experiment -- i will include your seals in ch16 article
1888472;1547999828;mircea_popescu;i suppose you might say "it shouldn't be x2, my expectation would be it's x2^1/2", but w/e.
1888473;1547999918;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'm not surprised, considering that bounds check overhead (in ada with all safeties switched on) magnifies the 'losing' of a losing (for particular width) algo
1888474;1547999943;bvt;i would not be surprised it was 20% slower, but 2x was surprising for me
1888475;1547999956;bvt;asciilifeform: yw
1888476;1547999961;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha. kinda my thought also.
1888477;1547999988;asciilifeform;bvt: you have more than twice the # of cache evictions
1888478;1547999995;asciilifeform;of course 2x slower.
1888479;1548000059;asciilifeform;'locality' effect is actually why e.g. comba wins over ordinary 'kindergarten' o(n^2) mult
1888480;1548000065;asciilifeform;despite both being in same order
1888481;1548000083;asciilifeform;same effect applies to karatsuba, and errywhere else.
1888482;1548000100;bvt;also, the linked pdf contains one FFT-like  algorithm i considered to implement (using walsh transform for convolution instead of fft). but it'd be even more complex
1888483;1548000128;asciilifeform;i saw. and imho would be interesting to have a constant-spacetime, no-floats fft
1888484;1548000154;asciilifeform;( not particularly useful for ffa, but potentially elsewhere.. )
1888485;1548000189;bvt;yes, actually in this karatsuba/toom algo one can embed comba's trick, but the code would become even gnarlier
1888486;1548000269;bvt;re fft: i would wait until a use-case appears, to at least understand what are the requirements. do you have something in mind?
1888487;1548000421;asciilifeform;bvt: i don't, which is why never bothered with fft
1888488;1548000452;asciilifeform;i assumed bvt knew of a use, given that he dug out the ru materials on subj
1888489;1548000542;bvt;nope, but there were a few mentions of other algorithms in the logs, so i decided to have a look. don't remember how i arrived at this particular one
1888490;1548000564;mircea_popescu;lol, you're supposed to remember!
1888491;1548000583;asciilifeform;'i built atomic dirigible but fughet why!111'
1888492;1548000683;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-20#1888467 << gotta nitpick here: it aint allocations (which in ffa planet are always done by stack frame, in O(1) ) that leads to slow, but cache eviction ( as well as linear overhead from doing moar ops in general )
1888493;1548000683;a111;Logged on 2019-01-20 15:49 mircea_popescu: bvt if you think about it, it has to be slower, because operations are fast and allocations slow.
1888494;1548000711;bvt;no, i mean that particular paper. i initially wanted to implement a fft-like multiplication algorithm, but got interested in this karatsuba/toom when reading the paper.
1888495;1548000744;mircea_popescu;nickpit granted!
1888496;1548000758;bvt;:-)
1888497;1548000797;mircea_popescu;anyway, nothing wrong with it, i enjoyed reading.
1888498;1548000829;mircea_popescu;there's that old joke re "i read good books twice but bad books i don't read at all" which very much applies : if only one knew before looking whether an algo is fast or slow!
1888499;1548000857;asciilifeform;there was another fella (since wandered off) who posted last yr an attempt at de-recursivizing karatsuba ( it's definitely in the logs, can't find it just yet tho )
1888500;1548000917;bvt;mircea_popescu: thanks
1888501;1548001004;asciilifeform;bvt: there's a long list of things that asciilifeform considered and (for time being) rejected from ffa, on acct of costing substantial complexity for very small saving of cpu cost. e.g. unrolled comba.
1888502;1548001040;asciilifeform;sorta why, when i first started preparing the thing for publication, wound it back to the simplest known ('egyptian') variant, and walked from there.
1888503;1548001054;asciilifeform;it allows reader to see what is bought by adding the moving parts.
1888504;1548001077;bvt;asciilifeform: a better attempt at this algorithm can involve using comba at the lower level.
1888505;1548001176;bvt;myeah, complexity does not go too well with both constant-time and fits-in-head.
1888506;1548001201;asciilifeform;bvt: comba itself ended up on the list of things that made it in by very small margin ( it wins perhaps 10%, on most pc iron , vs straight word*word mul as base case, try it yourself by turning the threshhold knob )
1888507;1548001269;bvt;will do. so far i had a very brief look at it
1888508;1548001437;asciilifeform;as i noted previously -- i do not expect to find any moar ~asymptotic~ speedups for ffa algos , such that are relevant to the sizes of numbers typically used in public key crypto
1888509;1548001484;asciilifeform;the remaining virgin land for speed revvup, is asmism for base cases. ( and ~possibly~ in combination with unrolled comba )
1888510;1548001576;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/hypertext/ch15/w_mul__adb.htm#95_14 << specifically here, currently we do 4 MUL instrs for where really needs only 1
1888511;1548001586;bvt;my understanding is that asmism would go only for lower-level ffa code, i.e. barret/modexp will remain as-is.
1888512;1548001590;asciilifeform;( and when ADD, SUB, we do it twice, where only needs once )
1888513;1548001595;asciilifeform;bvt: correct
1888514;1548001627;asciilifeform;the only reason asmism even potentially invites itself, is that idjit compiler gives no primitive for add/sub-with-carry or full-word mul
1888515;1548001696;asciilifeform;the other 'secret' speed boost is if one were to turn off the bounds checks; this gives ~2x speedup across the board. but i dun expect to do this for my personal uses for years , if ever -- it requires 100% certainty of correctness of the program under all possible input
1888516;1548001787;asciilifeform;( and even presuming 100% correctness, bounds checks still give added 'cosmic ray resistance'. i ~like~ having'em )
1888517;1548001828;bvt;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/q0ffh/?raw=true - some things can be done with gcc specific features, but i guess asming is cleaner
1888518;1548001837;asciilifeform;the ~other~, tho less simple, speed boost, is if one were to obtain a machine with wider multiplier !
1888519;1548001846;asciilifeform;but i dun currently have such a thing.
1888520;1548001909;asciilifeform;bvt: i'd prefer asmisms to c imports ( which not only ugly and compiler-dependent, but i suspect destroy performance with overhead )
1888521;1548001977;asciilifeform;recent pc irons offer 128x128bit iron mul. but i have not investigated it, and it specifically gotta be tested for constancy of time
1888522;1548002049;asciilifeform;in a hypothetical asmistic branch of ffa, you'd want to implement whole comba in asm, rather than merely word mul
1888523;1548002098;asciilifeform;same goes for add/sub.
1888524;1548002125;asciilifeform;( otherwise you end up eating the overhead from the existing portable carry calculation mechanism for no reason )
1888525;1548002271;mircea_popescu;i suspect double-wide mul might be implemented by lookup tables.
1888526;1548002284;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: expand ?
1888527;1548002291;bvt;i.e. W_Borrow/W_Carry still cause the overhead?
1888528;1548002296;asciilifeform;bvt: correct
1888529;1548002370;bvt;i'll be afk an hour or two
1888530;1548002384;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ie, splits the ints in bus width chunks and only does all 4 quadrants depending on results from the others.
1888531;1548002404;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that wouldn't be constant-time...
1888532;1548002410;mircea_popescu;which is my point.
1888533;1548002436;mircea_popescu;128*128 bit iron mul is not ct by itself.
1888534;1548002456;asciilifeform;( not to mention, a, e.g., 64 bit multiplication table, with extant logic density, would be approx the size of solar system )
1888535;1548002479;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is conceivable that the ones currently sold are constant time , i simply haven't tried'em.
1888536;1548002483;mircea_popescu;nah, just, if you're multipling (for simplicity) 01 x 01, it won't do 0x1 0x0 0x1 parts
1888537;1548002506;asciilifeform;( the 64x64 iron multer in amd/intel, possibly surprisingly, is in fact constant time, in all boxes i've tested to date )
1888538;1548002519;mircea_popescu;cuz cheap enough.
1888539;1548002530;asciilifeform;the # of gates req'd, is a cube.
1888540;1548002535;mircea_popescu;but afaik the double-wide mul, "optimized"
1888541;1548002554;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: possibly, it'll have to be tested when asciilifeform or somebody else can be arsed
1888542;1548002613;asciilifeform;note that the 'cube' observation only applies if you're going for a single-clock-cycle iron multer. otherwise it grows as square of bitness.
1888543;1548002626;asciilifeform;( the gate count, that is )
1888544;1548002685;*;asciilifeform has quite thick binder of curated material on subj, for the hypothetical day that we start baking irons
1888545;1548002819;asciilifeform;1 annoying aspect of 'iron ffa'-gedankenexperiment, is that none of the available fpga ( either 'ice40' series, or the evil ones ) are anywhere near big enuff to prototype with. it'd have to be simulated a la http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2593 , slowly, and then straight to silicon.
1888546;1548002849;*;asciilifeform brb,teatime
1888547;1548004667;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in news : http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-19#1888338 << mystery solved. trb uses bdb for block indexing ; the index had an incorrect lobe affecting some blocks ; whenever someone asked for one of those blocks, bdb died and trb never returned.
1888548;1548004667;a111;Logged on 2019-01-19 13:50 mircea_popescu: aaand in wtf lulz, http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-14#1886738 item died again, same exact details, same exact item, jan 15th (ie, it ran for ~day). ima finally get my ass into gear and debug-run it.
1888549;1548004696;mircea_popescu;-reindex rebuilds the index as expected. fin.
1888550;1548004812;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in trilema lulz : netstat | grep http | wc -l > 190.
1888551;1548004848;mircea_popescu;apparently 200 reqs ~per 100ms~ (that's how long it takes to complete one) is not enough to bring it down.
1888552;1548008122;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lobe << that's still interesting - invites q of ~why~ had bad lobe
1888553;1548008124;asciilifeform;... disk rot ?
1888554;1548010057;asciilifeform;i prolly oughta add to the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-20#1888508 thing : 1 of the items which seemed like a speedup, but in actual practice sucked, was the use of (constant-time) 2 (ditto 4) -bit windows for modexp ( iirc apeloyee suggested )
1888555;1548010057;a111;Logged on 2019-01-20 16:23 asciilifeform: as i noted previously -- i do not expect to find any moar ~asymptotic~ speedups for ffa algos , such that are relevant to the sizes of numbers typically used in public key crypto
1888556;1548010103;asciilifeform;the overhead eats the winnings.
1888557;1548010131;asciilifeform;possibly i'ma do a writeup on the subj, once errything else is fielded.
1888558;1548010377;asciilifeform;( in all fairness, a large -- e.g. 8bit -- window, ~could~ win, but massively multiplies the memory requirement for the thing )
1888559;1548010424;asciilifeform;chances are that it wouldn't, tho, given how the table still has to be indexed via fz_mux in order to prevent variant (i.e. nonconstanttime) memory indexing
1888560;1548010482;asciilifeform;( '1st commandment' of ffa : thou shalt not branch on seekrit bits. '2nd commandment' -- thou shalt not index memory by seekrit bits ... )
1888561;1548010726;asciilifeform;btw, must also add to bvt's http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-20#1888517 >> https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Integer-Overflow-Builtins.html admits that : 'The compiler will attempt to use hardware instructions to implement these built-in functions where possible, like conditional jump on overflow after addition, conditional jump on carry etc.' , i.e. there is not a guarantee that the thing dun introduce cond jumps.
1888562;1548010726;a111;Logged on 2019-01-20 16:30 bvt: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/q0ffh/?raw=true - some things can be done with gcc specific features, but i guess asming is cleaner
1888563;1548010750;asciilifeform;therefore that approach is completely verboten.
1888564;1548010829;asciilifeform;a correct asmism would simply read the carry flag and put the value where it belongs (e.g. in fz_add, into the next addition, in comba -- into the accumulator; etc)
1888565;1548010847;asciilifeform;without any jumps
1888566;1548010886;asciilifeform;gcc's knob seems to be geared for scenarios where the overflow is an error condition, rather than expected.
1888567;1548010941;bvt;agreed. on x86_64 is compiled to ADD; SETC sequence, but who knows what happens on other arch/gcc version.
1888568;1548010943;asciilifeform;( ada standard btw trivially allows for types where this holds true automatically , i.e. throws exception for overflow. but this is not only massively unconstanttime but the overhead is gigantic )
1888569;1548011032;asciilifeform;bvt: 1 of the reasons why ada doesn't offer e.g. addition-with-overflow , is that there is an abundance of sad iron where there isn't even physically a carry flag.
1888570;1548011082;asciilifeform;misguided folx ~continue~ to build these, with the excuse given being 'pipeline'
1888571;1548011082;asciilifeform;e
1888572;1548011084;asciilifeform;.g.,
1888573;1548011087;asciilifeform;!#s riscv
1888574;1548011088;a111;11 results for "riscv", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=riscv
1888575;1548011140;asciilifeform;i find it interesting that -- afaik -- nobody's ever built iron that was specifically optimized for bignum
1888576;1548011148;asciilifeform;and no it dun have to have gigantic bus width, necessarily
1888577;1548011185;bvt;i wonder how this is a valid argument even there. if nothing reads the flag, there are no pipeline dependecies.
1888578;1548011187;asciilifeform;could simply have optimized 'take these-here N words and those-there M words, and put bignum addition in memory starting at O, and overflow flag in P ' or similarly
1888579;1548011214;asciilifeform;bvt: notion was, you gotta stop the pipe if something ~were~ to read it
1888580;1548011215;bvt;perhaps some old APL machines would qualify
1888581;1548011268;asciilifeform;bvt: possibly the bolix machines also ( they did it in vertical microcode, iirc, tho, and in nonconstant time unsurprisingly )
1888582;1548011339;bvt;actually, that fft-like multiplication algorithm was developed in APL
1888583;1548011348;asciilifeform;in simple o(n) bignum operations like addition, the cost of instruction decoding for each consecutive 'add' , is substantial % of the cost
1888584;1548011354;asciilifeform;so even vertical microcode would win
1888585;1548011355;bvt;https://www.dyalog.com/uploads/conference/dyalog12/presentations/U23_MultidigitAlgorithms/Optimization%20of%20parallel%20multi-digit%20algorithms.pdf
1888586;1548011427;asciilifeform;bvt: i found a buncha these, when digging
1888587;1548011432;asciilifeform;often called 'systolic' algos
1888588;1548011466;asciilifeform;they potentially win, but only on custom iron really
1888589;1548011565;bvt;are such machines even build these days? i.e. for dsp, or other use-cases?
1888590;1548011609;asciilifeform;bvt: there's a large market of various voodoo for dsp, but afaik it all operates 'inexactly'
1888591;1548011614;asciilifeform;( and defo not in constant time )
1888592;1548011668;asciilifeform;more or less entirely opposite approach from what's wanted for crypto.
1888593;1548012113;asciilifeform;ftr i suspect that entirely ordinary algos, such as are seen in the current ffa, would already give ~line-rate~ (i.e. , 4096 modexp faster than 1G/s nic can give you new inputs to modexp on ) if implemented in iron properly.
1888594;1548012121;asciilifeform;without any exotic systolicisms etc
1888595;1548012230;asciilifeform;helps to recall that the problem which originally prompted asciilifeform to write ffa, is a (currently hypothetical) application where rsa sigs are carried in ~individual packets~
1888596;1548012283;asciilifeform;( is why all previously published rsatrons , entirely unsuitable -- if there's any leakage at all via timing, enemy trivially derives yer key )
1888597;1548012412;asciilifeform;nao, it isn't as if the current ffa, with 2.7sec 4096-bit modexp, is immediately usable to eat packets at line rate. but that part at least theoretically parallelizes ( i.e. a rack fulla multicore boxen running ffa, can theoretically eat packets at line rate... )
1888598;1548012442;asciilifeform;err, 1.7
1888599;1548012513;asciilifeform;1G/s link in principle delivers 262144 4096bit packets /sec ( in practice, many fewer, on acct of overhead )
1888600;1548012536;asciilifeform;anyway pretty sure we had this thread, is in the logs somewhere.
1888601;1548012625;asciilifeform;before considering to bake irons, it is worth to see what a 100%-asmic ffa would give.
1888602;1548012651;asciilifeform;( this is not a contradiction in terms, it is possible to implement whole thing, with same constant-time algos, by hand asm )
1888603;1548012737;asciilifeform;ideally one would unroll ~all~ of the loops ( e.g. instead of looping through the words of a bignum, would e.g. add-with-carry on immediately consecutive words with stream of add instrs, etc )
1888604;1548012866;bvt;would this actually be efficient on current arches? this would stress instruction decoder a lot
1888605;1548012907;asciilifeform;bvt: i expect one would trivially get a 10-20x speedup over the ordinary ffa, esp. if the item still fits in l1
1888606;1548013017;asciilifeform;i found last yr, for instance, that unrolled comba ( still in ada ) gives 20-25% speedup.
1888607;1548013056;asciilifeform;the penalty from having any branches, of whatever kind, anywhere at all, on pc iron -- is substantial
1888608;1548013091;asciilifeform;( consider the http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2906#selection-864.0-883.127 experiment, for instance. )
1888609;1548013172;asciilifeform;koch's turd, despite being implemented in c, with no bounds checks, actually loses to ch14 ffa , for inputs of same ~width~ -- despite fact that he doesn't constanttime and thereby gets to skip massive work
1888610;1548013196;asciilifeform;the skipping itself is expensive enuff on iron with cache/branchpredictor, that he loses rather than wins from it.
1888611;1548013264;bvt;i guess i could do some experiments here. the immediate question is that ffa does plenty of FZ_Adds with different FZ'Length, so full unrolling would not really work (unless i miss something).
1888612;1548013293;asciilifeform;bvt: all of the lengths are deterministically known from the primary fz width.
1888613;1548013296;asciilifeform;therefore you can unroll.
1888614;1548013310;asciilifeform;just as you can de-recursivize the karatsuba etc
1888615;1548013329;asciilifeform;none of the lengths depend on the actual contents of the user input.
1888616;1548013362;asciilifeform;granted, an unrolled ffa would operate on a fixed width (e.g. 8192) of primary fz.
1888617;1548013400;asciilifeform;but this limitation would also be true of any hypothetical arithmetic iron.
1888618;1548013452;bvt;aha, i see. this would also involve lots function call inlining as well
1888619;1548013483;asciilifeform;bvt: even the current (ch11 and after) ffa relies on a gnat with working forced-inlining
1888620;1548013513;asciilifeform;( ave1 discovered how to guarantee working inlining, and this gave 'free' ~2x speedup )
1888621;1548013527;bvt;writing such code really could use some program to generate the necessary amount of adds/subs
1888622;1548013543;asciilifeform;bvt: a typical macroassembler would work for the purpose.
1888623;1548013559;asciilifeform;one would still want to audit the output of any such thing tho, by hand.
1888624;1548013589;bvt;ave1's fix also fixed the 'undefined references' in static lib with gcc-6.3 for me
1888625;1548013605;asciilifeform;not having used gcc5+ , i never saw this bug
1888626;1548013620;bvt;you can't verify output of 'write 4096 adds' by hand, though
1888627;1548013633;asciilifeform;bvt: why not ? they all will look same neh
1888628;1548013653;asciilifeform;it's no moar complicated than to count bricks in a wall.
1888629;1548013711;asciilifeform;and besides, the wall wouldn't even have that many bricks -- on a 64bit bus, a 4096-bit addition is 64 instructions long
1888630;1548013718;asciilifeform;( if you have an add-with-carry instr )
1888631;1548013784;asciilifeform;there's an obvious limit to what you can unroll and still fit in any plausible cache tho.
1888632;1548013800;asciilifeform;( you won't be unrolling an entire 4096bit modexp, on any plausible irons... )
1888633;1548013812;bvt;this is true, rigth.
1888634;1548013812;asciilifeform;the inner loop or 2, tho, definitely can.
1888635;1548014157;asciilifeform;i'll add , for completeness of thread, that if yer ~sending~, rather than receiving, rsa packets, your bottleneck will be ~rng~ long before it could ever be the arithmetron per se
1888636;1548014173;asciilifeform;( a single FG , recall, yields ~7kB/s at room temp )
1888637;1548014395;asciilifeform;a fast rsatron is important mainly in light of fast rejection of crapola sent by enemy, rather than for payload per se.
1888638;1548014553;*;asciilifeform will bbl
1888639;1548028863;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform disk afaik fine ; probably bdb itself shat it at some prior point, tho atm dunno a mechanism.
1888640;1548028901;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that's the interesting imho part. ftr i have yet to witness a corrupted-but-openable bdb on machine other than where ssd was found to have rotted.
1888641;1548028919;asciilifeform;( there -- found this twice, to date. )
1888642;1548028935;mircea_popescu;instrumentation to hunt for this is by now in the vein of "debug bdb". which im not particularly inclined to do, marked for complete removal anyway.
1888643;1548028961;asciilifeform;i'd look at the realloc counter on the disk, betcha it's started to turn.
1888644;1548028988;*;asciilifeform concurs that there's 0 point in debug of bdb, it's medicine for a corpse
1888645;1548029020;mircea_popescu;afaik ssd realloc counter starts turning ~the day they're deployed.
1888646;1548029029;asciilifeform;nah
1888647;1548029043;asciilifeform;not unless yer using rubbish ssd, at any rate
1888648;1548029102;mircea_popescu;in principle, for as long as that's not run out, the disk won't lose sectors. but then again, a definitive answer to this turns into debug-ssd-fw+kernel, which...
1888649;1548029140;asciilifeform;(tho, will add, the retarded design of bdb, gives early death on ssd. in sane indexer there is never any reason to touch any single block moar than once )
1888650;1548029248;asciilifeform;in asciilifeform's o(1) tx indexer ( will be welded to an experimental bdb once i get the mmap thing resolved ) there's a 2-level storage -- a 'write-once' o(1) index for blox of age N ( N can be 100-500 in practice ), and a much smaller rewritable one kept strictly in ram ( for 'recent' blox, where the longest chain is potentially movable )
1888651;1548029257;asciilifeform;*experimental trb, err
1888652;1548029291;asciilifeform;this gives the 'write block on disk only 1nce' behaviour.
1888653;1548029352;asciilifeform;the algo for this, i described coupla yrs ago here.
1888654;1548029388;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-20#1888589 << specialist machine market really died in the 90s, and was buried slowly hence.
1888655;1548029388;a111;Logged on 2019-01-20 19:12 bvt: are such machines even build these days? i.e. for dsp, or other use-cases?
1888656;1548029415;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's alive, in a sense (various image processing junk) but not sumthing you'd want anyffin to do with i suspect
1888657;1548029472;asciilifeform;(e.g. the recent fad for 'face recognizer' even revived 1980s item, neural network processor. i haven't personally tried'em for anyffin , of yet )
1888658;1548029477;mircea_popescu;even the http://trilema.com/2016/give-computers-the-vote-theyre-cheaper-than-women-even/ hollywood production moved to x86.
1888659;1548029505;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform only "revived" as a money sucker, afaik deployments still on off the shelf micro
1888660;1548029540;asciilifeform;nah see, they want face reader in pnoje, toilet, ballpoint pen, etc. where (despite mighty effort) x86 dun go.
1888661;1548029594;mircea_popescu;"want". so far that thing only keeps "researchers" mortgages paid.
1888662;1548029598;asciilifeform;( and again will note, i haven't tried the various irons, may well be snake oils. )
1888663;1548029604;mircea_popescu;w/e, perhaps i do not see teh future.
1888664;1548029616;mircea_popescu;~same utility as quantum computers, as far as i know.
1888665;1548029631;asciilifeform;intel for instance sells 1 , for about 20bux in qty. what is actually on the die , i have nfi, and it only worx with their oddball closed compiler thing.
1888666;1548029650;asciilifeform;supposedly fits trainable nn, coupla 10k units worth.
1888667;1548029665;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-20#1888626 << you can, because it's so highly structured.
1888668;1548029665;a111;Logged on 2019-01-20 19:47 bvt: you can't verify output of 'write 4096 adds' by hand, though
1888669;1548029710;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and "russia" sells "own processor". "only worx" etc.
1888670;1548029776;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-20#1888637 << this is very precisely on point, hence why http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-20#1888551 is such win and so on.
1888671;1548029776;a111;Logged on 2019-01-20 19:59 asciilifeform: a fast rsatron is important mainly in light of fast rejection of crapola sent by enemy, rather than for payload per se.
1888672;1548029776;a111;Logged on 2019-01-20 17:20 mircea_popescu: apparently 200 reqs ~per 100ms~ (that's how long it takes to complete one) is not enough to bring it down.
1888673;1548029781;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: y'know, neural net, the thing that classifies pig as 'porn' etc. i'm even willing to believe that the chip worx to spec. not magic by any means, 1970s tech sitting on modern ic
1888674;1548029797;mircea_popescu;i know, i know.
1888675;1548029819;mircea_popescu;was all the rage when i was in school. alongside the period "GREAT DISCOVERY" of "3d glasses".
1888676;1548029829;asciilifeform;i simply can't bring myself to buy any to test, i dun have any pigs that need autoclassifying
1888677;1548029864;asciilifeform;( they offer a 50 $ dev kit, compleete with cd fulla winblowz shitware )
1888678;1548029921;mircea_popescu;(frosi, teh magazine of teh ddr's own pionierorganisation iirc, included a pair in one of the editions i got. i even played with them.
1888679;1548029925;mircea_popescu;spoiler : they sucked.)
1888680;1548029952;asciilifeform;re nn in general -- i vaguely suspect that a quality rng might actually cure the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687624 problem. but again i dun have any pigs, so haven't had occasion to try.
1888681;1548029952;a111;Logged on 2017-07-20 19:52 asciilifeform: because unlearns faster than learns.
1888682;1548029973;mircea_popescu;in fact, that publication enduringly shook my confidence in german intelligence. included ALL SORTS of utterly retarded shit -- say a "boat" consisting of a piece of paper with a cut inside, you pour oil there and it "propels" it
1888683;1548029996;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: funnily enuff, decent quality konsoomer '3d visor' appeared , i got one as a gift not long ago. but i dun do chemical models any moar, and so no constructive use for it any moar
1888684;1548030008;mircea_popescu;at least the french socialists entirely dedicated themselves to "aesthetics" ie masturbation, rather than "science" and "engineering"
1888685;1548030061;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform at the same time, we had very good quality 3d chemistry modeller. it consisted of a bunch of sacks, with colored spheres with holes correctly planarly inclined, and plastic sticks.
1888686;1548030074;*;asciilifeform as a boy built the classic toy boat from tin can and soldered ballpoint pen tune (the iron kind), add a camp stove pellet and a++ 'pulse jet'
1888687;1548030076;mircea_popescu;afaik to this day unbeatable modeller.
1888688;1548030103;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: these are great, but when yer doing a protein gets expensive and bit unwieldy ( picture room-sized stick model )
1888689;1548030107;mircea_popescu;turns out there's NOT THAT MANY possible atomic states.
1888690;1548030128;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, see, what you call "unwieldy" is the very quality of the item in question. that is it's true value.
1888691;1548030147;mircea_popescu;to protest its carnality is as protesting cunt's sliminess. it's "unwieldy" specifically because it works well.
1888692;1548030163;asciilifeform;mno. when you have 10,000 sticks, thing sags under gravity, in very 'unphysical' way re the item being modelled.
1888693;1548030171;asciilifeform;there's a practical limit to anyffin.
1888694;1548030214;mircea_popescu;your head will fall out through your arsehole if you attempt to meaningfully interact with something as large as to make that thing collapse into degenerate matter through a "3d visor" color interferer thingee.
1888695;1548030236;mircea_popescu;hm. did that sentence pass parser ?
1888696;1548030238;asciilifeform;it did
1888697;1548030263;asciilifeform;i used to do this for a living, tho. ( and no it aint a great biz to be in, the models just barely work )
1888698;1548030325;asciilifeform;imho it's a wide green field for hypothetical resurrection of ~analogue comp~
1888699;1548030355;asciilifeform;von neumann comp spectacularly retarded for the app
1888700;1548030366;asciilifeform;( consider, grunting through each atom, serially )
1888701;1548030474;asciilifeform;i had a 30k$ sgi 3d viewer thing, worked ok ( 1 part 50kg crt, other part went on yer head. ) point is that nao you can get ~same thing for 100. not that there's much in the way of people who are still doing any of this afaik.
1888702;1548030523;mircea_popescu;i tell you honestly, if i ran a lab where such a compound was seriously important, i'd spend the 100k or w/e it is to have a model welded out of steel balls and rods, and place it in the lab gym.
1888703;1548030535;mircea_popescu;let all the bright minds monkey swing from the fucking thing until they fall over.
1888704;1548030547;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: watson & co tried this.
1888705;1548030566;asciilifeform;problem is that you want flex in the bonds ( to model strain, van der waals, etc ) but you dun want it to sag.
1888706;1548030675;asciilifeform;( on top of this, the actual meat being modelled is not a rigid object, it has substantially variant geometry depending on temperature and properties of medium, e.g. ph )
1888707;1548030717;asciilifeform;sorta what keeps the old-fashioned crystallography people in biz.
1888708;1548030763;asciilifeform;( btw does mircea_popescu have a theory re why people become crystallographers ? it's almost 100% young chix, and they -- even with modern shielding and safety derpisms -- never live particularly long. multi-MeV xray cannon in yer face... )
1888709;1548030861;asciilifeform;on a few occasions i had to go to where it was done. power supply cable as thick as my thigh.
1888710;1548030874;mircea_popescu;i have nfi.
1888711;1548030879;mircea_popescu;possibly they tried the dating market.
1888712;1548030899;asciilifeform;lol
1888713;1548030908;BingoBoingo;Likely
1888714;1548030989;asciilifeform;there were even some folx doing protein ~neutronography~. and aaalso chix...
1888715;1548031011;asciilifeform;i haven't seen with own eyes tho ( and would rather not ) the biznis-end of that.
1888716;1548031032;mircea_popescu;i don't get why they can't simply use a mirror / scintillator / something.
1888717;1548031047;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they do.
1888718;1548031060;asciilifeform;problem is the 'xray hygiene' thing, outlined by mircea_popescu in earlier thread
1888719;1548031065;mircea_popescu;myeah...
1888720;1548031396;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-11#1849389 << oblig slotin oldthread.
1888721;1548031396;a111;Logged on 2018-09-11 01:22 asciilifeform: incidentally much noise was made re the elaborate calculations of early nukes, but good chunk of the design params ~also~ only were accessible empirically. hence the slotin incident.
1888722;1548031469;mircea_popescu;while the former is actually true, the latter doesn't follow, it's not like he had to use the beryl for a soup bowl.
1888723;1548031495;asciilifeform;well arrhenius or who it was, didn't ~have~ to taste his reaction products either
1888724;1548031522;asciilifeform;but some folx, when considering 'hmm, taste, or go home' will taste.
1888725;1548031534;mircea_popescu;you telling me slotin was a sort of curie jr, had "no idea what could occur" ?
1888726;1548031539;asciilifeform;nah
1888727;1548031546;asciilifeform;extreme case imho. but illustrative of principle.
1888728;1548031548;mircea_popescu;well then. monkey was monkying about, gimme a break.
1888729;1548031557;mircea_popescu;0 respect for any kind of safety.
1888730;1548031580;asciilifeform;eh life was cheap, electricians routinely measured voltage with wet finger etc.
1888731;1548031609;asciilifeform;even as late as '90s lab folx had to be beaten with a stick to get'em to stop mouth-pipetting, etc
1888732;1548031656;BingoBoingo;Putting on a lab coat doesn't make a monkey hygenic
1888733;1548031672;asciilifeform;( i suspect that current-day 'millenial' derps would shit their pants if they saw folx actually at work and the things that are done even nao )
1888734;1548031681;mircea_popescu;yeah... you know i used to do the old thumb-stopper thing... until i noticed i got spots.
1888735;1548031686;mircea_popescu;BUT I WAS THRITEEN
1888736;1548031717;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i was cured of this by chem instructor, who showed palm where glass pipe went clean through it when he was a lad
1888737;1548031735;asciilifeform;little round scar on ea. side
1888738;1548031743;mircea_popescu;heh.
1888739;1548031954;asciilifeform;i dun consider slotin et al to be shining examples to follow, but will also point out , that errybody dies eventually, and personally would rather chance to eat 100kV than to die of boredom sitting in a chair kanzure-style.
1888740;1548032016;*;asciilifeform was thinking of this just this morning, while varnishing the 50kv cabling on the xray box
1888741;1548032016;mircea_popescu;by the time your evening's entertainment is screwdriver-juggling neutron reflectors, you've got some pretty serious pretentious issues going. i mean aestheticism is one thing, but by the time that's all that's left...
1888742;1548032052;asciilifeform;as i understand, usg dept. of wunderwaffen hasn't given'em robo-cranes yet, at that pt
1888743;1548032082;mircea_popescu;there's space in the middle.
1888744;1548032087;asciilifeform;surely.
1888745;1548032258;mircea_popescu;meanwhile on the other side, "About me I love the X Files and Criminal Minds. I'm studying Cosmetology right now but next semester I am transferring to Psychology. "
1888746;1548032280;asciilifeform;now see ~some~ people, odin himself made'em to prop up neutron reflector with dainty little fingers.
1888747;1548032288;asciilifeform;they are simply misplaced atm.
1888748;1548032318;mircea_popescu;sadly, their way to their butugychag is blocked by a bunch of shriveled old prunes decked in star trek paraphenalia.
1888749;1548032318;asciilifeform;tragic waste.
1888750;1548032346;asciilifeform;sadly.
1888751;1548032366;mircea_popescu;i suppose you might enjoy the whole thing. http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/hYrat/?raw=true
1888752;1548032395;asciilifeform;'However I’m very into Financial Domination and paying me is the only way' << lol!!
1888753;1548032437;mircea_popescu;somebody asked her, see.
1888754;1548032464;asciilifeform;i can't resist to ask, is this one sui generis or is 'financial domination' actual button on the fatlife dashboard thing nao.
1888755;1548032531;asciilifeform;re 'somebody asked', i suspect that the correct physical model is that old toy ( do they still make'em ? ) with plastic phonograph roll inside, where you pull string and it 'speaks'
1888756;1548032537;asciilifeform;you pulled, see, its string.
1888757;1548032540;asciilifeform;so it 'spoke'.
1888758;1548032618;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It's an actual thing in the sense "black world order" is a thing
1888759;1548032661;asciilifeform;i gotta take off hat to mircea_popescu's strong stomach, i can't picture fucking these things even with ball gag. would almost rather juggle neutron reflectors.
1888760;1548032667;mircea_popescu;sui generis. there's a whorde of these cosmetologists with aspirations, populating what's left of the human side of usg's "ugc" lines, filling up the "journalist" pipelines, camwhoring etc.
1888761;1548032748;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this particular one entirely unfuckable, tiny tits an' a belly. but in general, idiots have ~no chance of making it through anyway, so can't say as i have.
1888762;1548032812;BingoBoingo;"I like being treated like a princess and fucked like a slut." << The anglophone girl problem. They think they want to hold the power, but they know they want the power imposed on them when it counts.
1888763;1548032842;mircea_popescu;i do recall in youth was a lot less selective/priviledged, whichever way you look at it ; but somehow inexplicably stupidity not nearly as organised or militant in same youth. i mean, fuck, girls back then were ASHAMED to sit with the mainstream, jesus fuck.
1888764;1548032846;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i'm not even convinced there's an 'i' in that there crankcase that is capable of actually 'wanting' sumthing.
1888765;1548032854;mircea_popescu;so i guess i switched historical priviledge for social priviledge as i aged.
1888766;1548032931;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Well, two decades of child abuse organized for her by Disney
1888767;1548032956;mircea_popescu;can't say that there's what to dispute this view with, that they've failed to meaningfully individuate.
1888768;1548033033;asciilifeform;aha. and there aint a cure, any moar than for hydrocephalia. the ideal life outcome for these, is 'institutional' , the kind with shock collar, detonguing, short leash, i suspect.
1888769;1548033067;mircea_popescu;well, if hillary had her way they'll all be "social "workers" coming up with rules an' regulations for each other.
1888770;1548033084;mircea_popescu;as it is... i dunno, i suspect they'll starve, orange man doesn't seem inclined to continue the slop.
1888771;1548033170;mircea_popescu;but for instance i have standing orders for 0 tolerance and active harassment / belittling and sabotage of them by my girls, whenever encountered (which mostly is receptionists, but hey)
1888772;1548033196;BingoBoingo;If UruguArgenZuela is illustrative they'll fad their way into avoiding starvation with "coliving" and food "recollection"
1888773;1548033205;mircea_popescu;rapidly becoming the social pariah, this cosmetologist princess-psychologist.
1888774;1548033224;asciilifeform;i had nfi the species is found as far south as mircea_popescustan
1888775;1548033227;mircea_popescu;principally because they're so easy to filter them out.
1888776;1548033246;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform are you kidding me ? the species is found anywhere samsung put "smart"phones on layaway.
1888777;1548033290;mircea_popescu;like plague follows rats, these follow touchscreens
1888778;1548033303;asciilifeform;hm i thought they could only grow where a similarly-porcine mother lives as 'office plankton' and prevents contact w/ reality
1888779;1548033320;mircea_popescu;the "billions" that schmuck was talking about.
1888780;1548033328;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: at last 1/3 of the pichis here have pnoHes
1888781;1548033337;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nah, generally parents content to "not understand" offspring and "feed, anyway"
1888782;1548033385;mircea_popescu;this is pretty fucking amusing to me, too. "oh, i don't understand the kids... and this is my problem". bitch... if i don't understand them i don't feed them, this "you don't understand me" is just about "tomorrow, i die", naught else. let them fucking work ass off to be understood, wtf, you want me to do it ?!
1888783;1548033417;mircea_popescu;vaguely reminescent of occasional fetard going "i don't know you" / occasional moron going "this trilema article is too long and complicated for my understander".
1888784;1548033422;mircea_popescu;"what the fuck do you expect ME to do about that ?!"
1888785;1548033504;mircea_popescu;the expectation that a breakdown in communication is a stable state better come with a baked-in expectation of 0 financial flows, wtf.
1888786;1548033618;feedbot;http://pizarroisp.net/2019/01/21/pizarro-isp-update-january-21-2019/ << PizarroISP -- Pizarro ISP Update January 21, 2019
1888787;1548033894;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: battery consistently in mid-60s ( all-time high 68 ), cpu - 50s
1888788;1548033922;mircea_popescu;could a very shitty battery meltdown and fuck the rk then ?
1888789;1548033941;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the rk case is about 1.5 metre away
1888790;1548033988;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i'ma include a simple machine-readable ambient thermometer/hygrometer in the cargo, for good measure
1888791;1548034008;mircea_popescu;oh, so this is the shared ?
1888792;1548034041;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the temps/voltages thrd is re 'uy1' , the collective www box yea
1888793;1548034055;mircea_popescu;aha
1888794;1548034079;asciilifeform;it's a 1u opteron box with 32 cpu
1888795;1548034110;asciilifeform;( of same type as dulap-iii and the s.mg machines )
1888796;1548034148;asciilifeform;runs off 2 physically separate 220v ps.
1888797;1548034268;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: btw see if you can hunt down a mains quality recorder that doesn't cost own weight in gold, so far my dig has disappointed
1888798;1548034326;asciilifeform;( hunt on net, that is, not in BingoBoingostani junkyard , tho i'll be pleasantly surprised if it were to turn up ~there~ )
1888799;1548034401;*;asciilifeform will bbl : meatspace subsystems
1888800;1548035442;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I'll add it to the ask list when I make the rounds to the shops
1888801;1548035694;BingoBoingo;In addition to net searching
1888802;1548038954;mircea_popescu;!!up fromdeedbot
1888803;1548038954;deedbot;fromdeedbot voiced for 30 minutes.
1888804;1548044174;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in historical problems, http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-30#816689
1888805;1548044174;a111;Logged on 2014-08-30 23:24 mircea_popescu: i have a glass table and an optic mouse.
1888806;1548044965;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: interestingly, recent ones, with ir laser, actually work on glass..
1888807;1548044987;mircea_popescu;i thought lasers didn't exist!
1888808;1548044998;asciilifeform;lol
1888809;1548045022;mircea_popescu;:p
1888810;1548045048;mircea_popescu;anyway, i was looking for the story of the mouse chewing at the jar lid hole with his tiny teeth
1888811;1548045056;mircea_popescu;but can't fucking find it anymore.
1888812;1548045068;mircea_popescu;fat people can't find their feet ; but i'm so overweight i can't find my fucking stories.
1888813;1548045070;asciilifeform;( exercise for reader : what is won by using laser diode in mice, vs ordinary led ? )
1888814;1548045091;asciilifeform;!#s mouse jar
1888815;1548045092;a111;13 results for "mouse jar", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=mouse%20jar
1888816;1548045137;mircea_popescu;not there sadly.
1888817;1548045321;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-09-07#821631
1888818;1548045321;a111;Logged on 2014-09-07 17:02 mircea_popescu: something like that. so one night while in here, i see movement in the corner of my eye
1888819;1548045375;mircea_popescu;aaaa! TY!
1888820;1548045391;mircea_popescu;that's the fuck it was, 2014.
1888821;1548046099;BingoBoingo;So, total lunar eclipse balcony view. Pretty cool, but lacks the magic of solar totality.
1888822;1548046192;mircea_popescu;harem vote decided we're too lazy to go check it out.
1888823;1548046273;BingoBoingo;Well, I used a compass and a map to determine I didn't have to go anywhere special to see it and thus it was seen
1888824;1548046302;mircea_popescu;pretty sure it's partial here, and i'm on the wrong side of teh hill momentarily.
1888825;1548046548;BingoBoingo;I'd go out of my way to see a total solar eclipse again, very strong inducement of wonder. Lunar well... not so much
1888826;1548046620;BingoBoingo;And the moon going into and out of totality isn't the shocker that the sun is. At least not when artificial lighting is involved.
1888827;1548085098;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in unexpected lulz, LordMPofTMSR "How about you drop whatever it is you're doing and dedicate your life to serving me ?" PetiteGoddess21 21F Dom "Yes sir" LordMPofTMSR "Nah, meanwhile had a look at your profile. Not interested."
1888828;1548085141;asciilifeform;lol!
1888829;1548085143;asciilifeform;is this a 1st ?
1888830;1548085153;mircea_popescu;nah.
1888831;1548085175;asciilifeform;masochist:'beat me pleez!' sadist:'never!'
1888832;1548085197;mircea_popescu;more layers than that. domme "yes sir", omnimaster "meh" etc.
1888833;1548085250;asciilifeform;what was in the profile ?
1888834;1548085268;asciilifeform;... had dogface ?
1888835;1548085286;mircea_popescu;anyway, i suppose that nah's unclear. plenty cases before where "domme" goes all soft for me ; plenty of cases before where "um... actually looking at your pics... nevermind". and some cases before where these two met, but never before in 12 words or less.
1888836;1548085290;mircea_popescu;so in that sense ... first.
1888837;1548085304;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dunno, dood. she's just weirdlooking.
1888838;1548085439;mircea_popescu;https://i.ibb.co/162btrS/derpychick.jpg
1888839;1548085487;asciilifeform;a++ prominent crate of vodka in photo
1888840;1548085503;mircea_popescu;i dunno that thing's anything anyone'd ever drink
1888841;1548085513;mircea_popescu;ustards writing "vodka" on some crap they made dun make it so.
1888842;1548085515;mircea_popescu;wtf is it, even ?
1888843;1548085533;asciilifeform;'табуретовка'
1888844;1548085539;asciilifeform;btw is there a ro ver of that term?
1888845;1548085578;asciilifeform;'extract of footstool' approx. i.e. 'this tastes as if it were made from old furniture'
1888846;1548085615;mircea_popescu;for samagon you mean ? "rachiu de pufoaica", literally "goretex brandy".
1888847;1548085630;mircea_popescu;supposedly made out of distilled chicken coop remains -- shit & feathers.
1888848;1548085635;asciilifeform;for rubbish samogon. but yes fits.
1888849;1548085685;mircea_popescu;oh, and, of course : "Latest activity PetiteGoddess21 posted a journal entry on her profile titled “ill sell whatever you want”: about 10 hours ago I'll sell whatever you want ;) ( including videos, pics ,sexting, etc) if got all types of cloths for sale and request how you want them and how many days worn you want I'll also include a video of me playing in them , using them or anything else ... continue reading → "
1888850;1548085696;mircea_popescu;why the fuck do they spell it "cloths".
1888851;1548085731;asciilifeform;prolly cuz the rng picked that one letter to drop this time around
1888852;1548085766;mircea_popescu;nah. back in the day they used to spell "rogue" (the high fantasy playable character, right ?) as "rouge", notwithstanding they spoke no french or anything
1888853;1548085774;asciilifeform;innermost circle of quasiliteracy hell, i suspect, is when even mispelling not consistent
1888854;1548085779;mircea_popescu;it's just, there's some grooves in the moron brain, and they work a certain way.
1888855;1548085822;mircea_popescu;and of course there's "dominate" as a fucking noun. "she's a dominate".
1888856;1548085873;asciilifeform;funny how all that 19th c. sweat put into making engl look like a human lang, with standard typography etc, more or less evaporated in <20y span
1888857;1548085879;mircea_popescu;what irks me is that these are contrary "eases" -- if you say "well, cocksucker, can't palatalize anymore, there's no 'nt' in her world" then what do you say to "she prefers pronouncing ths to thes"
1888858;1548085981;asciilifeform;in e.g. pravd^H^H^Hwapo, 'times', etc, will find malapropisms on front pg, and outright line noise on nth pg
1888859;1548086011;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha. there's an interesting similarity at work here : the "nuclear family" nonsense spring, painfully and costly wound up by the imbecile universalist-chrsitian sect over a century, unwound in a few decades via http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-19#1888412 process. this, of course, "nobody notices".
1888860;1548086011;a111;Logged on 2019-01-19 19:25 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in sad lulz, https://www.blacktowhite.net/threads/moving-away-from-cuckold-into-stag-vixen.146933/ ("Are people moving away? I'm noticing a shift in ads, profiles and websites that I browse. No one is really looking for a cuckold thing anymore. I got enthralled with the cuckold fantasy and I would love to meet a couple that was for it. But Cuckolds couples are hard to find. Couples, single females are easier but as
1888861;1548086039;mircea_popescu;but THEN, the EXACT SAME nonsense spring, painfully and costly wound up by previous generation of exactly-same imbeciles, "english human lang", unwinding EXACT SAME WAY
1888862;1548086049;mircea_popescu;first the "ease and inclusion" and then the "proper expression" etc.
1888863;1548086077;asciilifeform;it's esp frustrating to watch when you were beaten with sticks to learn the king's english for no particularly good reason
1888864;1548086122;mircea_popescu;ah.
1888865;1548086153;mircea_popescu;well, i guess i have the priviledge & advantage a) nobody dared beat me, sticks or otherwise coupled with b) was always better at english than anyone anyways.
1888866;1548086155;*;asciilifeform as 5yo was already sweating, filling exercise boox
1888867;1548086194;mircea_popescu;did i recount that incident when we were visiting england in a group (of 20+ people, including 3 professional english teachers) and teh stewardesses asked me to explain things to the rest (of the unruly orcs), back in early 90s ?
1888868;1548086206;asciilifeform;dun recall
1888869;1548086221;mircea_popescu;one of those poor women had to be my english teacher for YEARS to come, in school.
1888870;1548086274;mircea_popescu;mme carolina orasan. she wasn't very good -- but she was studious and insistent, and i suppose perfectly fine for an orc. the others, even worse.
1888871;1548086289;asciilifeform;sounds like typical orc lang instructor
1888872;1548086349;mircea_popescu;aha.
1888873;1548086354;asciilifeform;it's what we had in grade school. but asciilifeform's folx decided that was rubbish, took him to old woman with buncha aquariums in her flat, who actually spoke the lang somehow
1888874;1548086382;mircea_popescu;it's amusing, if one takes a dispassionate look, how equally likely to hurt as to hinder are parental best intentions.
1888875;1548086473;*;asciilifeform had nfi as 5yo, but his folx's plot to move , incl. destination, was already in motion then
1888876;1548086485;mircea_popescu;o wait -- did i say two negatives ? i meant "help as to hinder".
1888877;1548086487;mircea_popescu;please believe.
1888878;1548086558;asciilifeform;( the funny bit, is that of course had to fucking relearn , nobody in gringolandia actually speaks the lang that asciilifeform was taught... )
1888879;1548086578;mircea_popescu;i dunno why people fret so much about languages generally.
1888880;1548086590;mircea_popescu;they really are not hard, especially once one stops whiteknuckling quite so hard.
1888881;1548086596;asciilifeform;( was moar like http://bimbo.club/2019/01/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-july-august-and-september-1716-part-ii/ etc )
1888882;1548086620;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform should prolly use it on the dating scene, young hussies respond quite well!
1888883;1548086623;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i entirely agree, as consequence of the 'abuse' asciilifeform never once 'fretted' about languages
1888884;1548086643;mircea_popescu;yeah, learn pinoy over blowjobs or w/e it is. how hard can it be, and how long can it stay that way.
1888885;1548086651;mircea_popescu;the language, i mean.
1888886;1548086666;asciilifeform;can even learn from a half-working shortwave set, if must.
1888887;1548086696;mircea_popescu;my english came to me from computers and cartoons.
1888888;1548086719;asciilifeform;worx a++
1888889;1548086725;mircea_popescu;(back then romanians hadn't yet taken the step of imbecility and dubbed nothing.)
1888890;1548086766;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: we had such 'dubs' that one still could ( and normally would, if actually care to understand half a shit ) hear the orig track
1888891;1548086781;mircea_popescu;how's that work ?
1888892;1548086796;asciilifeform;poor sync, and mumble
1888893;1548086801;mircea_popescu;o brother.
1888894;1548086808;mircea_popescu;that must've been plenty frustrating, too.
1888895;1548086842;asciilifeform;btw apparently the 'translator wears clothespin on nose' item is mythical : turns out that good % of the tapes were simply dubbed by this 1 ex-boxer, with perma-broken nose
1888896;1548086856;mircea_popescu;hahaha
1888897;1548086878;mircea_popescu;well, in ro you got ro text overimposed on english speech. if one's brain works AT ALL...
1888898;1548086896;asciilifeform;y'know, same fella who turned 'diehard' into 'умри тяжело'
1888899;1548086922;mircea_popescu;lol. such an inept habit this. even today, you know, download some film, discover it has a ru spoken track, that's it.
1888900;1548086945;mircea_popescu;WHO THE FCUK could POSSIBLY!!!! in any conceivable universe!!!! want to hear some ukr cosmetologist INSTEAD of bette davis ?
1888901;1548086965;asciilifeform;there's oddballs continuing the 'fine tradition' out of , i suspect, sheer nostalgia. ( i do not know whether they use clothespin or get somebody to break nose tho... )
1888902;1548087003;mircea_popescu;possibly the #1 extant item which puts russkis today in the situation of ye olde http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-19#1826770
1888903;1548087003;a111;Logged on 2018-06-19 16:04 mircea_popescu: and we can keep going, but you get the idea. russians had managed to make themselves as impopular as humanly possible with the ~only martial neighbour it had at the time.
1888904;1548087015;mircea_popescu;i literally know people who would genocide the country for this one sin.
1888905;1548087047;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform speaking of which item, you ever seen il scopone scientifico ?
1888906;1548087053;asciilifeform;nein
1888907;1548087087;mircea_popescu;bette davis' last role, together with a decent it crew (mangano, sordi).
1888908;1548087094;mircea_popescu;do me a favour and watch the it, not the ru dialogues lol.
1888909;1548087097;mircea_popescu;actually, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-iegjCj-iI
1888910;1548087180;*;asciilifeform pushes to queue
1888911;1548087448;mircea_popescu;in other euloraleaks, it seems self-evident that by the time we're done writing a kernel in ada, the os will be called auntoo, right.
1888912;1548087493;mircea_popescu;as per ye olde omnibus->autobus broken etymologyu tradition.
1888913;1548087745;*;asciilifeform already has, of sorts, 'os in ada'. ( it only adds, subs, muls, modexps... but what moar could one want!111 )
1888914;1548087769;mircea_popescu;the BAB instr.
1888915;1548087797;asciilifeform;hm?
1888916;1548087817;asciilifeform;...returns babbage's dictum?
1888917;1548087821;mircea_popescu;BAB wrong_number wrong_number > right
1888918;1548087833;asciilifeform;aaha exactly so
1888919;1548087841;mircea_popescu;you asked what more, yes ? i told.
1888920;1548087894;asciilifeform;babbage lives in erry instruction.
1888921;1548087916;asciilifeform;babbage 'жил, жив, будет жить', a la lenin.
1888922;1548088015;asciilifeform;re eulora -- occurred to asciilifeform to wonder, does the thing actually demand the 3d card ? or could just as readily polygonize with cpu
1888923;1548088118;mircea_popescu;could, and does.
1888924;1548088131;mircea_popescu;it's not very intensive ; and pretty sure we talked about this befoar.
1888925;1548088135;asciilifeform;then could readily 'os' aha
1888926;1548088159;mircea_popescu;most machines today have a vidcard for the whole rounded corners bs anyways.
1888927;1548088173;asciilifeform;i also thought there was in the l0gz a place where somebody measured it with 'soft' 3d and it gave 60+hz. ( can't seem to dig up tho )
1888928;1548088205;mircea_popescu; /fps > 59.76 displaying FPS.
1888929;1548088218;mircea_popescu;i think it's actually capped at 60 in configs tho.
1888930;1548088236;asciilifeform;i dun think i even have any moar displays that do >60
1888931;1548088252;asciilifeform;( interesting 'step backwards' if you thinkaboutit.. )
1888932;1548088269;mircea_popescu;well, much harder to do on the new shits than was on crt.
1888933;1548088279;mircea_popescu;back then, if it came to it, could give luser knob, make it 10khz
1888934;1548088285;asciilifeform;you can buy'em, supposedly, but they have castrated palette
1888935;1548088313;asciilifeform;(6bit channels iirc)
1888936;1548088352;mircea_popescu;other than terminals which are habitually filmed, i can't imagine what use for non-60hz refresh.
1888937;1548088362;mircea_popescu;and even then -- nothing under 2-3k or so worth the mention.
1888938;1548088396;asciilifeform;in the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-21#1888701 days, that crt was already the last 1 in the lab ( the headpiece was a lcd shutter, and demanded a 120hz display to output the left-right sequential frames. so had to crt. )
1888939;1548088396;a111;Logged on 2019-01-21 00:27 asciilifeform: i had a 30k$ sgi 3d viewer thing, worked ok ( 1 part 50kg crt, other part went on yer head. ) point is that nao you can get ~same thing for 100. not that there's much in the way of people who are still doing any of this afaik.
1888940;1548088512;asciilifeform;funnily enuff, even the 60hz panels are 'step back' in that they have sloppy vsync, frames tear.
1888941;1548088523;asciilifeform;even 'eizo' et al.
1888942;1548088549;mircea_popescu;o yeah. you should see this "large screen", scrolls visibly on diagonal.
1888943;1548088590;asciilifeform;it's a plague.
1888944;1548088634;asciilifeform;iirc we even had a 2014 thread, whole thing where machine shits the frame to the lcd at N hz, is retarded, framebuffer oughta live in the display
1888945;1548088666;asciilifeform;( which , if lcd, is ~regardless~ stuck latching the bits, even nao )
1888946;1548088692;mircea_popescu;aha.
1888947;1548088718;asciilifeform;( this is ~already~ a metre or whatever - sized sram ! )
1888948;1548088794;asciilifeform;depressing subj, back when i had crt, never 1ce saw 'frame tear', not since cga days at any rate
1888949;1548088798;asciilifeform;today -- even emacs tears.
1888950;1548088932;*;asciilifeform played 'quake' on 486 'dx2', at 11fps... but no tear!11
1888951;1548088965;*;asciilifeform brb,teatime
1888952;1548089318;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/01/unrest-today-israel-kills-4-syrian-soldiers-in-airstrike-after-syria-rejected-israeli-demand-not-to-shoot-down-missiles-during-earlier-airstrike/ << Qntra -- Unrest Today: Israel Kills 4 Syrian Soldiers In Airstrike After Syria Rejected Israeli Demand Not To Shoot Down Missiles During Earlier Airstrike
1888953;1548090426;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-21#1888880 -> this reminds me of "after first 10 languages or so, ALL the rest are really easy to learn" lol
1888954;1548090426;a111;Logged on 2019-01-21 16:03 mircea_popescu: they really are not hard, especially once one stops whiteknuckling quite so hard.
1888955;1548090498;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-17#1888176 << to update: I've just now set up irssi on the box with no issues. ty again
1888956;1548090498;a111;Logged on 2019-01-17 22:19 lobbes: ty BingoBoingo. login successful. Will attempt irssi setup later and report back
1888957;1548090978;mircea_popescu;lol. YES!
1888958;1548091162;Mocky;trinque is there anything wrong with my deposit from a week ago sunday? It seems not to have gone thru
1888959;1548091412;trinque;Mocky: nope, just people have been pinging me when they have a deposit, since running them is a human step.
1888960;1548091418;trinque;I'll get to it shortly
1888961;1548091426;Mocky;ok thx
1888962;1548091683;BingoBoingo;lobbes: ty
1888963;1548092711;asciilifeform;in other lulz, 'numpy' ( 1 of the few useful libs for that lang, does various numericalmethods ) Officially turns tard, proclaims 'this is last ver to support python 2.7, from nao on 3'
1888964;1548092739;asciilifeform;http://www.numpy.org/neps/nep-0014-dropping-python2.7-proposal.html << from horse's mouth.
1888965;1548093037;mircea_popescu;sooo... while the right-honourable ingredients involved sit for a moment in a bowl to make friends with each other, allow me to describe for posterity what is right and properly known as "the despration breakfast".
1888966;1548093188;mircea_popescu;in a bowl you flake smoked trout, with chunked : onion (red, raw), pickled gherkins (salt pickles, not vinegar "pickles"), artichoke ; add capers, fresh (or salt-pickled) tarragon leaf. the base cheese is something sweet (schweizer works fine in this instant example), the signatuer cheese is something sharp (here, a very fine camambert, but ideally, casu marzu, well ripe).
1888967;1548093221;mircea_popescu;to be served on a bed of lettuce ;  on the side : smoked sprats and eggs overed easy with cayenne pepper.
1888968;1548093434;mircea_popescu;and for desert -- breakfast doesn;t take desert ?! who says ! -- cashew chocolate paste and (separately!) cozonac filling, served on scottish-style shortbread cookies.
1888969;1548093455;asciilifeform;sounds heavy
1888970;1548093923;mircea_popescu;gotta get that cholesterol up somehow.
1888971;1548095385;mircea_popescu;plus, of course, a chardonnay, a zinfadel, something, preferably vienese style (crushed ice, mineral water, wine in equal parts)
1888972;1548095406;mircea_popescu;and thus restaurated, we can then continue our readings of the morn! to wit : "You didn't talk like that before," said Dulcie plaintively. "I—I thought perhaps you'd be glad to see me. You were once. And—and—when you went away last you asked me to—to—kiss you, and I did, and I wish I hadn't. And you gave me a ginger[Pg 72] lozenge with your name written on it in lead pencil, and I gave you a cough-lozenge with mine;
1888973;1548095406;mircea_popescu; and you said it was to show that you were my sweetheart and I was yours. But I suppose you've eaten the one I gave you?"
1888974;1548095419;mircea_popescu;lead pens ftw, how sweeter the love!
1888975;1548110242;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: is somebody 'stress testing' trilema box ? thing seems to give 1+sec pg load time, for coupla days nao
1888976;1548110405;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-21#1888953 << imho all the roman langs count as 1!111 (ditto germans; slavs; etc)
1888977;1548110405;a111;Logged on 2019-01-21 17:07 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-21#1888880 -> this reminds me of "after first 10 languages or so, ALL the rest are really easy to learn" lol
1888978;1548119943;BingoBoingo;My experience and experiments among the unthinking yet literate is that in spoken language situations the behavior channel carries more information than the "language" channel.
1888979;1548120435;BingoBoingo;The intra language sound shifts can be a bitch.
1888980;1548122699;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform as per http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-20#1888551
1888981;1548122699;a111;Logged on 2019-01-20 17:20 mircea_popescu: apparently 200 reqs ~per 100ms~ (that's how long it takes to complete one) is not enough to bring it down.
1888982;1548123259;mircea_popescu;sudo ldconfig -v | grep libode
1888983;1548123259;mircea_popescu;	libode.so.1 -> libode.so.1.1.1
1888984;1548123269;mircea_popescu;a damn., wrong chan.
1888985;1548124687;trinque;Mocky et al, ping
1888986;1548124924;asciilifeform;incidentally, imho it's rather perverse that the popularly expected behaviour in 'moar server reqs / sec. than can be serviced' is 'fall down' rather than 'triage + busy signal'
1888987;1548124945;asciilifeform;why the fuck should it ever fall down.
1888988;1548125045;asciilifeform;if the cycles aint there to serve a page or whatever op, then simply shouldnt ACK, that's it
1888989;1548125155;asciilifeform;the folx who shat out apache & co., i suspect were at least as aggressively retarded as koch.
1888990;1548125268;mircea_popescu;because it's written by free and open source people ?
1888991;1548125269;asciilifeform;( at the risk of pedantry : they used ~heapism~ . consequently, found it impossible to answer the q 'does machine have the cycles to do this-here request?' in o(1) ! )
1888992;1548125307;mircea_popescu;anyway, it's not unsalvageable. very robust machines can be built on apache.
1888993;1548125322;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the microshit people, innocent of opensores, did same, it's a c macula
1888994;1548125352;mircea_popescu;~same people, really.
1888995;1548125364;mircea_popescu;it's not like microshit hired a different set of eggheads than populated slashdot.
1888996;1548125378;mircea_popescu;~same romanian dorks on both "aisles"
1888997;1548125460;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: thing is roughly like trb - can throw iron at it until it eats the desired reqs/sec without shitting self. but, just as in trb, it's a barbaric/empirical ritual, quite impossible to say 'on napkin' how much cpu will yield what # of what kB pg served /sec w.out falling
1888998;1548125508;asciilifeform;and ( again like trb ) it dies disgracefully at the boundary of capacity,
1888999;1548125521;asciilifeform;cuz has nfi what capacity is.
1889000;1548125545;Mocky;!!pay-invoice BingoBoingo 1
1889001;1548125552;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/vK1Mp/?raw=true
1889002;1548125568;Mocky;!!v D80D0E6CF388A6BFEF9DE3BB9B283433119DE1BD1B3D8AA59A341A4ABB2CB678
1889003;1548125572;deedbot;Mocky paid BingoBoingo invoice 1
1889004;1548125686;mircea_popescu;this is not factual, actually.
1889005;1548125692;mircea_popescu;as exemplified by the point in case.
1889006;1548125697;asciilifeform;hm?
1889007;1548125704;mircea_popescu;well, trilema's not dead, is it.
1889008;1548125753;asciilifeform;not dead,  but couldja say just how many cycles/s and bytes of ram will give what # of loads/s ?
1889009;1548125796;mircea_popescu;atm eg doing ~220 connections / .1s sorta thing. the problem's the would-be attackers output capacity, not some kind of limit on trilema side. it'll serve as much as dood can send through.
1889010;1548125804;asciilifeform;if architecture of bldgs worked the way apache is worked, all structures would be pyramid
1889011;1548125847;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform cycles/s or ram bytes about as meaningful in this discussion, might as well ask "how much free memory". no such thing, really.
1889012;1548125858;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: a sane server oughta work at ~line~ rate
1889013;1548125865;mircea_popescu;which is what it does ?
1889014;1548125949;asciilifeform;i'll believe, will assume mircea_popescu actually tested with a lan-connected box requesting loads at gb/s or whichever. but to make this guarantee with apache and other heapistic softs, needs massive margin of iron
1889015;1548125957;mircea_popescu;the cycles go 70-80% user / 10-15% system / etc whether there's 5 or 500 people asking for a page, it just doesn't figure into some sort of cycle economy
1889016;1548125969;asciilifeform;!#s what i think it crashes
1889017;1548125970;a111;16 results for "what i think it crashes", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=what%20i%20think%20it%20crashes
1889018;1548125971;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the issue on http is generally packets rather than bytes.
1889019;1548125975;asciilifeform;^ see also
1889020;1548126004;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: sessions, if you want pedantic, but sure
1889021;1548126012;mircea_popescu;and yes, a properly configured webserver serves at line speed, in the sense that the way to ddos is by overwhelming ~the router~ not the webserver.
1889022;1548126026;mircea_popescu;but this is not some kind of xanadu. item exists.
1889023;1548126058;asciilifeform;aha, simply eats 10x ( or even moar ) current than really oughta.
1889024;1548126096;asciilifeform;( and suffers ugly meltdown if you ~do~ saturate it eventually )
1889025;1548126128;mircea_popescu;anyway. the reason you were seeing at some point slightly longer pageloads is precisely that, it'll serve you when it gets to you. and if you decide (if ~you~ decide) that whenever's too late and timeout, more power to you, feel free to retry.
1889026;1548126149;asciilifeform;this is correct behaviour.
1889027;1548126170;asciilifeform;it really shouldnt require a n-fold overprovisioned machine tho.
1889028;1548126171;mircea_popescu;and otherwise, the server actually spits out in excess of 2k pageloads / s, as a matter of actuarial evidence.
1889029;1548126200;*;asciilifeform believes 
1889030;1548126204;mircea_popescu;i dunno what specifically overprovisioning would mean here.
1889031;1548126223;mircea_popescu;i mean, pick a thoroughput you wish, build the box, that's what you get.
1889032;1548126228;BingoBoingo;The weakest link on the Internet are... the links
1889033;1548126259;mircea_popescu;i guess one could say "my blog will never have 100s of simultaneous readers, so mp's machine is 10x overprovisioned". which is fine, but also entirely arbitrary.
1889034;1548126275;mircea_popescu;one could also say "there's not THAT MANY PEOPLE, and if there are they can sure as fuck wait". which, also fine.
1889035;1548126369;mircea_popescu;moreover, considering it takes 10 minutes or more to ~read~ an article and whatever, a second or less to actually load it, even being able to serve 1 request/s is fucking ample, each day you will have put out 600 day-reader worth of material.
1889036;1548126372;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: my objection is to the prng element in apache and other heapistic proggies, where actual resource consumption is a function not only of req rate, but how much footprint of each one happened to be , fragging the heap
1889037;1548126384;asciilifeform;this is well studied in trb, but applies elsewhere
1889038;1548126396;mircea_popescu;i don't think there even exists a publication currently that manages 500 reader-days. period and full stop, the fucking bible doesn't get that.
1889039;1548126417;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's not nearly as serious a problem in apache as you seem to think.
1889040;1548126527;asciilifeform;it doesn't stop being retarded simply cuz mircea_popescu and for that matter asciilifeform give the thing 256GB of ram to run it and never see the barf
1889041;1548126538;asciilifeform;*run in
1889042;1548126610;BingoBoingo;After spending substantial time as a skeptic apache beats the "smarter" alternatives (lighttpd, nginx, cherokee, etc)to apache
1889043;1548126629;asciilifeform;sorta like, building bridge of solid rock all the way from road to sea floor is great, if you have infinite rock, but is titanic waste, if yer at all interested in max bang for yer cement bux
1889044;1548126650;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: they're all exactly same from this pov
1889045;1548126679;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: No, the "smart" alternatives that implement "clever" die sooner
1889046;1548126709;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: apache afaik is hands down best horse in that glue factory.
1889047;1548126777;BingoBoingo;We don't use horses in this glue factory. Too expensive.
1889048;1548126957;BingoBoingo;Depending on what you need apache can be titebond II or titebond III, If everything else is on point you can beat it to hold your toothpicks.
1889049;1548127140;BingoBoingo;Nginx is a sort of polyurethane "gorilla glue", very african. The details can be glossed over in a way that makes it appear very cool until pressure reveals a bunch of gaps have been filled up with exactly foam rubber.
1889050;1548127230;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: last i recall it was =~ apache, but with buncha features cut out ( phpism, load balanceism, etc )
1889051;1548127307;BingoBoingo;Poking suggests otherwise. It's a reverse proxy. It can be deployed as a webserver and people deploy it as that, but it was designed around a different job.
1889052;1548127381;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the pt i was trying to make is possibly too subtle to readily make sense until i write a proggy around it, to illustrate. which sadly aint happening in near term.
1889053;1548127480;asciilifeform;assertion is, the cost of a processing job oughta 1) be calculable in advance of performing said job 2) depend only on ~said job~, rather than what else the machine happened to have done recently or may be doing concurrently with remaining cycles
1889054;1548127535;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I suspect I know where your point is going, but at this time we don't yet need a violin. We're still trying to sit in chairs without finding out ass navigating debris on its way to the ground.
1889055;1548127596;asciilifeform;that way you can have something like civilized engineering calculation, rather than ' i dun know if i'll buy 3 kg of potato or 4, so let me bring a 50 tonne flatbed truck'
1889056;1548127656;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> assertion is, the cost of a processing job oughta 1) be calculable in advance of performing said job 2) depend only on ~said job~, rather than what else the machine happened to have done recently or may be doing concurrently with remaining cycles << This is a violin. We gotta get a lumber yard stocking something other than Spruce/pine/fir or we hit the sill plate problem.
1889057;1548127702;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2013/ho-vinto-la-lotteria-di-capodanno/ << oblig mircea_popescu illustration re truck
1889058;1548127715;*;BingoBoingo stuck in wood metaphors
1889059;1548127746;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: subj aint a short-term urgent itch by any means. moar re general principle
1889060;1548127780;BingoBoingo;Well, eventually we might get maple, walnut, and ferrocement
1889061;1548130073;asciilifeform;briefly upstack to http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-22#1889021 << possibly i'm thick, but it ~also~ never made sense to me why a ~router~ would fall down, either. seems like if yer pipe is e.g. 100mb/s , and incoming enemy crapola at 1000mb/s, then you simply oughta get (from pov of arbitrary test peer) 90% packet loss. rather than a smoking crater where router was.
1889062;1548130073;a111;Logged on 2019-01-22 03:00 mircea_popescu: and yes, a properly configured webserver serves at line speed, in the sense that the way to ddos is by overwhelming ~the router~ not the webserver.
1889063;1548130193;asciilifeform;granted i know that they ~do~ fall down, but to me this suggests that they're made of wadded toilet paper, rather than it being an inescapable physical fact
1889064;1548130266;asciilifeform;( and also happen to know why : they 'give to allcomers' in the sense of allocating memory for state of tcp connection. therefore it stands to reason that if one built router that doesn't tcp at all -- it will not fall. )
1889065;1548130469;asciilifeform;fwiw simply rejecting tcp won't do the trick, you also gotta not allocate state for udp ( all extant routers, afaik, do.. but e.g. s.mg protocol and similar, will operate entirely correctly without this, as i understand it )
1889066;1548130565;asciilifeform;i.e. could build router that simply... routes. rather than trying to be 'smart' and keep stateful connections.
1889067;1548130570;*;asciilifeform bbl,meat
1889068;1548131754;feedbot;http://bingology.net/2019/01/22/the-internet-of-poverty-or-why-residential-internet-is-cheap/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- The Internet Of Poverty Or Why Residential Internet Is Cheap
1889069;1548131771;BingoBoingo;^ Rela-TIT
1889070;1548132972;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: entirely makes sense.
1889071;1548132992;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Substantial poking was involved
1889072;1548133026;BingoBoingo;No in-WoT blood was drawn in the research
1889073;1548133052;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: interestingly, the cache-of-lolcats thing actually seems to have freed up substantial bw for actual net traffic. to the point that my 100bux actually buys symmetric 100mb/s here, on erry day of the year except when some idjit backhoes the fiber
1889074;1548133122;asciilifeform;( symmetric to/from uy, jp, etc, rather than to lolcat local cache, i dun subscribe to the latter )
1889075;1548133147;BingoBoingo;You just don't know that you subscribe to the lolcat cache.
1889076;1548133172;asciilifeform;how's that work ?
1889077;1548133185;asciilifeform;it's a subscription 'aol' neh
1889078;1548133213;asciilifeform;it dun come for phree with the pipe, round here
1889079;1548133288;BingoBoingo;Well, you've connected to IRC without a cloak before, yes? You don't have a personally assigned ASN nor do you get your 100 mbps from a drop at the local IX
1889080;1548133299;BingoBoingo;Your upstream has the lolcat cache
1889081;1548133340;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: how does it cache the e.g. tB of rng i happen to generate in racked box in jp and dload via ssh ?
1889082;1548133380;asciilifeform;cache only affects public/allcomer resource.
1889083;1548133416;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It doesn't, but at some point when you might choose to load lolcat, lolcat will be served from cache unless you proxy the lolcat request through Japan like a dick
1889084;1548133428;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: and no it aint a 'industrial' pipe, with asn etc. which is why i marvel, that it closely approximates one functionally, despite the cheap.
1889085;1548133462;BingoBoingo;Well, maybe your neighbors are poorer than mine
1889086;1548133477;asciilifeform;fewer of them, at any rate
1889087;1548133482;asciilifeform;per sq km
1889088;1548133492;*;asciilifeform bbl,meat 
1889089;1548133597;BingoBoingo;FTR local mobile phone companies have been advertising Whatsapp gratis since before I arrived. They new point of competition is move up to a postpaid plan and get "netflix gratis"
1889090;1548133624;*;BingoBoingo would be VERY surprised if the netflix appliance takes more than 4U in a rack
1889091;1548133871;BingoBoingo;But yes, to answer http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-16#1725706 Netflix and the handful of Youtube videos that get watched exactly work as a couch in local endpoint's DC or point of presence
1889092;1548133871;a111;Logged on 2017-10-16 19:33 mircea_popescu: so your idea of how netflix works is that a bunch of couch dwelling "Criminology" majors queue up before a dc to be shown their inane shit on the dc's wall mounted display ?
1889093;1548133962;BingoBoingo;If your endpoints hits Netflix for 5gbps they'll let you leverage 1.2 gbps every half day for 20gbps+
1889094;1548134872;BingoBoingo;It's Netflix, Youtube, the Porntubes, and the prformer side of the porn Camgirls
1889095;1548135429;BingoBoingo;And it turns out that Airstrip 2 (Formosa) is indeed large enough to facilitate dying alone in the elements https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/incidents/bikini-climber-freezes-to-death-after-20m-fall-from-mountain/news-story/5248010cf59fe8983422969ca3498e77
1889096;1548140252;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: how does it cache the e.g. tB of rng i happen to generate in racked box in jp and dload via ssh ? << I will say that this does suggest .jp s a candidate for Pzarro rack 2 when that time comes
1889097;1548141187;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-22#1889040 << this is entirely besides the point. yes with 256 mb it can serve more simultaneously than with 64, but that's all the difference. the fact that a larger engine puts out more torque than a smaller engine isn't proof positive of "something fundamentally wrong with carnot cycles"
1889098;1548141187;a111;Logged on 2019-01-22 03:08 asciilifeform: it doesn't stop being retarded simply cuz mircea_popescu and for that matter asciilifeform give the thing 256GB of ram to run it and never see the barf
1889099;1548141343;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-22#1889061 << this principle may be interesting in principle ; but in practice you refused to do anything about it, as per that whole http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-04#1847524 ; one's stuck concluding that there's more to the principle than the principle.
1889100;1548141343;a111;Logged on 2019-01-22 04:07 asciilifeform: briefly upstack to http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-22#1889021 << possibly i'm thick, but it ~also~ never made sense to me why a ~router~ would fall down, either. seems like if yer pipe is e.g. 100mb/s , and incoming enemy crapola at 1000mb/s, then you simply oughta get (from pov of arbitrary test peer) 90% packet loss. rather than a smoking crater where router was.
1889101;1548141343;a111;Logged on 2018-09-04 15:57 mircea_popescu: are you making the alt juniper or arent you ?
1889102;1548141394;mircea_popescu;and yes, obviously, the problem is tcp connection is stateful, which means memory allocation, and SUCH THINGS (if not necessarily just that thing).
1889103;1548141404;BingoBoingo;And when optimizing for torque you're going to make a Yamaha tw200 at some point where 1st gear can't safely be used on paved roads
1889104;1548141565;BingoBoingo;The solution to reduce mortality with max torque is follow everyone else. Tap down past neutral for first gear, but in practice on the road start by tapping up to second gear.
1889105;1548141689;mircea_popescu;poor gigi chick.
1889106;1548141701;mircea_popescu;not that bikini is exactly "risque", but it does take some mettle.
1889107;1548141744;BingoBoingo;Seriously. If it wasn't a solo hike I'd rent out my body heat for a share of the patreon beta bucks
1889108;1548141766;mircea_popescu;so fucking stupid, solo in bikini. why the fuck even, shit's invented to be with others.
1889109;1548141773;mircea_popescu;if you're solo why even bother, go nude.
1889110;1548141819;BingoBoingo;Apparently -10 celcius which means nudity, second body, and a sleeping bag makes things survivable. Add butter to buy more time.
1889111;1548141974;mircea_popescu;kinda the problem of social media 30-something year old "career woman" : solitude, to death.
1889112;1548142054;mircea_popescu;"The only reason "high speed" connections to a "global" internet works at residential price points is because they don't have to." << keks.
1889113;1548142062;mircea_popescu;same exact reason everything else in the femstate "works".
1889114;1548142081;mircea_popescu;dnc also works for as long as it doesn'thave to, and god knows the us army is built on that doctrine.
1889115;1548142084;BingoBoingo;30 year old woman can't social. US tard can't put the concept of internet route in head
1889116;1548142124;*;BingoBoingo suspects the speed of inter US ip traffic is as good a reason as any to route around US
1889117;1548142320;BingoBoingo;And yes, every contact still in Vzla has been warned shit can go from sucking to really sucking if NATO columbia and new empire Brasil halps USG.Blue in the triple team after Maduro sinks arecraft carriers with missile he bought not feeding losers
1889118;1548142357;*;BingoBoingo disappointed the very law abiding bias of latino rebels
1889119;1548142397;mircea_popescu;heh
1889120;1548142477;mircea_popescu;the problem is, cartels not particularly impressed with usg these days. all was needed to keep assad in power was russia, but a colombia-venezuela-mexico wondertriangle is a lot easier defended.
1889121;1548142489;BingoBoingo;The Chileans will probably get the worst of it in the end
1889122;1548142603;BingoBoingo;Not to mention Columbia.Nato.USG is a pop song, Vzla is south america, and Paraguay of all fucks is Mexico's competition for dubious honor of #1 weed exporter
1889123;1548142681;BingoBoingo;The world's a ham and this butcher's string is nitrocellulose. But forget the bang, the fact it can't hold tension is the pressing concern.
1889124;1548142723;BingoBoingo;Holy shit the world looks different outside the wire
1889125;1548142891;*;BingoBoingo suspects mircea_popescu did not dollar vigilante to Santiago for reasons, but holy fuckballs the average Argentine seems to offer more than Chile's best
1889126;1548142990;BingoBoingo;Sure Chileñas are pretty and far more eager, but need drives the eager
1889127;1548143068;*;BingoBoingo to sleep, very important batalla de costillas mañana
1889128;1548166522;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-22#1889096 << nah, it loses for reasons unrelated to bw. was given as example of geographically-long link with ok bw simply.
1889129;1548166522;a111;Logged on 2019-01-22 06:57 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: how does it cache the e.g. tB of rng i happen to generate in racked box in jp and dload via ssh ? << I will say that this does suggest .jp s a candidate for Pzarro rack 2 when that time comes
1889130;1548166642;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-22#1889097 << with engine, you can compute the efficiency ( joules out / joules in ) and even get ~exact estimate of how much useful work engine of particular size will do. but with shitware..
1889131;1548166642;a111;Logged on 2019-01-22 07:13 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-22#1889040 << this is entirely besides the point. yes with 256 mb it can serve more simultaneously than with 64, but that's all the difference. the fact that a larger engine puts out more torque than a smaller engine isn't proof positive of "something fundamentally wrong with carnot cycles"
1889132;1548166711;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-22#1889099 << i daren't to 'do something about it' until properly understood the problem. sorta like didnt dare to attempt trb in 2013, or ffa in 2015, etc
1889133;1548166711;a111;Logged on 2019-01-22 07:15 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-22#1889061 << this principle may be interesting in principle ; but in practice you refused to do anything about it, as per that whole http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-04#1847524 ; one's stuck concluding that there's more to the principle than the principle.
1889134;1548166844;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-22#1889102 << exactly, not only this. potentially also other items, in re which still working through 'rtfm'.
1889135;1548166844;a111;Logged on 2019-01-22 07:16 mircea_popescu: and yes, obviously, the problem is tcp connection is stateful, which means memory allocation, and SUCH THINGS (if not necessarily just that thing).
1889136;1548167015;asciilifeform;for that matter, mircea_popescu already described how to do proper routing -- gossipd.
1889137;1548167078;asciilifeform;( with a working gossipd -- the ordinary net becomes less interesting, can treat it as a lossy channel like radio.. )
1889138;1548167382;asciilifeform;upstack to apache -- half a million loc of C is still half a million loc of C , even if by all appearances 'works solidly for yrs'
1889139;1548168300;diana_coman;C/CPP also known as "half a million"
1889140;1548168400;asciilifeform;diana_coman: it is in principle possible to write 'fits in head' c proggy, but afaik the last who knew how was d. ritchie..
1889141;1548168410;asciilifeform;in '75
1889142;1548168537;diana_coman;empirically-known then ; to account for the theoretical possibility
1889143;1548168845;asciilifeform;diana_coman: a proggy is an 'ideal object', almost anyffin, within obv limits of algo complexity is 'possible'. but in actual practice 'notation is worth 80+/-iq' and some notations make folx into effectively downs syndrome sufferers when the # of moving parts crosses certain threshold
1889144;1548168872;asciilifeform;c appears to be one of these.
1889145;1548168901;diana_coman;myeah, at best it doesn't ...scale
1889146;1548169022;diana_coman;but I'm not even sure it's that really - more a sort of anti-tool in that it unloads complexity on the user to deal with rather than anything
1889147;1548169091;asciilifeform;verily.  by ritchie's own words, c is moar of a macroassembler than prog lang in the customary sense of the term
1889148;1548169231;asciilifeform;if you want bounds checks, gotta put them explicitly, if want something like sane treatment of memory, ditto, yer proggy will have ten tonnes of explicit memory management crapola in it ( which had better contain 0 mistake, because the lang happily ignores mistake and demolishes houses, cars, dogs, as it bulldozes into random direction) etc
1889149;1548169304;diana_coman;quite; anyways, now that I have on eulora server c,cpp and ada together, it's a whole new level of madness
1889150;1548169340;asciilifeform;oh hm i thought diana_coman were baking client nowadays
1889151;1548169363;diana_coman;aaaand in unrelated news: it's SNOWING! ha! england will soon stop to a halt for there is 1mm of snow on the ground!
1889152;1548169384;diana_coman;asciilifeform, kind of both ends at the same time because it's a communication protocol so..
1889153;1548169397;asciilifeform;diana_coman: we had some decent snow here in swampistan also ( and for 1st time in coupla yrs.. )
1889154;1548169445;diana_coman;even nice, huge, fluffy snowflakes, quite winter-like for once
1889155;1548169456;asciilifeform;neato.
1889156;1548169463;*;asciilifeform likes snow.
1889157;1548169468;diana_coman;metoo
1889158;1548169531;diana_coman;for about 3 months per year I like it; then I want about 3 months per year of hot sun too; and preferably also 3 months of autumn at least; kind of tall order nowadays
1889159;1548169622;diana_coman;re client/server: client is ALSO cpp+ada at the very least
1889160;1548169638;asciilifeform;i recall.
1889161;1548169677;asciilifeform;diana_coman: iirc you got static linker to work ?
1889162;1548169709;diana_coman;yes! I can link it static, I can link it dynamically, I can even build it all as a monolithic piece
1889163;1548169729;diana_coman;pretty much all ways tried and can be done
1889164;1548169746;asciilifeform;and with the elaborator init ?
1889165;1548169790;diana_coman;well yes, it has to: if separate lib (either static or dynamic) it'll have to call libnameinit otherwise the adainit
1889166;1548169799;diana_coman;both ways work fine
1889167;1548169827;diana_coman;basically "standalone" lib includes the init and exposes it
1889168;1548169873;diana_coman;if encapsulated too then it has to be dynamic but if not "encapsulated" then it can be static (and you need to link the ada libs with main proggy too)
1889169;1548169881;*;asciilifeform looks fwd to studying diana_coman's example proggy 
1889170;1548169890;diana_coman;it was more of a confusion/mess rather than real problem as such
1889171;1548169904;asciilifeform;potentially cures my mmap headache from summer
1889172;1548169913;diana_coman;what was the mmap headache?
1889173;1548169974;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-16#1873099
1889174;1548169974;a111;Logged on 2018-11-16 23:13 asciilifeform: it is on hold pending resolution of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-26#1866266 ( and is taking back seat to ffa currently )
1889175;1548170002;asciilifeform;err, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-26#1866266
1889176;1548170002;a111;Logged on 2018-10-26 02:14 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in gnat bugs : apparently ( and this is documented or mentioned nowhere ) : it is impossible to have a Ada.Finalization.Limited_Controlled type ANYWHERE inside a static library, unless it is generic all the way down (i.e. if the lib package is generic, any sub-packages must also be instantiated as generics )
1889177;1548170165;diana_coman;hm, I did not have to look into this specifically
1889178;1548170213;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i guess you didnt need limited_controlled in your item
1889179;1548170230;diana_coman;no, not needed (or not *yet*)
1889180;1548170277;asciilifeform;the only case i discovered so far that demands it, is mmap ( the map ~must~ know when it is about to go out of scope )
1889181;1548170426;asciilifeform;( 'the mmap thing', for thrd completeness, is described here - http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-16#1873101 . a variant of 'horsecocks' without rampant pointerism.)
1889182;1548170426;a111;Logged on 2018-11-16 23:13 asciilifeform: phf: the 'horsecocks' one requires pointerism to be enabled; the new one does not
1889183;1548170492;asciilifeform;it is actually a complete proggy, correct per the ada standard,  but currently doesnt build on acct of the gnat bug described in the linked thread.
1889184;1548170532;asciilifeform;( when built as standalone, rather than lib, it builds and functions as specified)
1889185;1548170552;diana_coman;asciilifeform, what do you mean by "build as standalone"?
1889186;1548170561;asciilifeform;with a main
1889187;1548170622;diana_coman;hm; earlier I used "standalone" as "standalone lib" because there is such a thing: it means precisely that it includes ada run-time
1889188;1548170641;asciilifeform;a
1889189;1548170651;diana_coman;but so uhm, it builds with a main fine but it fails if you try to build it as a lib - why?
1889190;1548170695;diana_coman;it sounds very weird
1889191;1548170755;asciilifeform;diana_coman: the breakage is documented in the linked thread. it ends up shitting out a reference to an undefined symbol ( of meaningless numeric name ) on which linker then chokes.
1889192;1548170813;asciilifeform;i sawed on it for some weeks then, but only additional find was that any attempt at using controlled_limited from inside a static lib gave same effect.
1889193;1548170948;asciilifeform;note that mmap is not a front burner item currently for asciilifeform - i dun need it in ffa, will come back to it after.
1889194;1548170981;asciilifeform;but i suspect it's curable via diana_coman's recent method.
1889195;1548171012;diana_coman;I suppose you can at least try and check whether standalone static might cure it, though still weird
1889196;1548171055;*;diana_coman went and re-read the thread
1889197;1548171078;diana_coman;anyways, I'll go and dig into the comms protocol some more
1889198;1548171115;asciilifeform;diana_coman: unless you desperately need mmap in your own proggy, i recommend not to bother with it nao
1889199;1548171156;asciilifeform;when i have a free hand or 2, i'ma apply diana_coman's published method to the thing and see whether cured.
1889200;1548171162;asciilifeform;and then genesis.
1889201;1548171165;diana_coman;atm hands full so indeed, won't be able to do anything about it anyway
1889202;1548171173;asciilifeform;right
1889203;1548171277;asciilifeform;ftr i also do not yet know why the variant where 100% of the lib is genericised, worked
1889204;1548171296;asciilifeform;( i hesitate to use genericism at all until i properly grasp how the fuck it worx )
1889205;1548171318;asciilifeform;may recall, 1st draft of ffa used genericism, i removed it
1889206;1548171326;asciilifeform;( because did not fully grasp how it behaves )
1889207;1548171504;asciilifeform;( ftr the only application in asciilifeform's pipeline for mmapism currently is http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-21#1888650 )
1889208;1548171504;a111;Logged on 2019-01-21 00:07 asciilifeform: in asciilifeform's o(1) tx indexer ( will be welded to an experimental bdb once i get the mmap thing resolved ) there's a 2-level storage -- a 'write-once' o(1) index for blox of age N ( N can be 100-500 in practice ), and a much smaller rewritable one kept strictly in ram ( for 'recent' blox, where the longest chain is potentially movable )
1889209;1548171536;asciilifeform;s/bdb/trb in above
1889210;1548171606;asciilifeform;iirc phf attempted also to use it, to make a framebuffer driver in ada, but i dun recall if he ever returned with output
1889211;1548171632;asciilifeform;( i think he is stuck in some meatspace limbo just nao )
1889212;1548171671;asciilifeform;!#seen phf
1889213;1548171671;a111;2019-01-09 <phf> http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-06#1885092 << i have a couple and the first one i bought i think had that issue, i didn't bother replacing it, and after first cleaning i believe it went away, or possibly i stopped noticing. the one at my office definitely has clean clicks on all they keys, so if it bothers you perhaps worth replacing
1889214;1548171907;asciilifeform;as for asciilifeform currently , sweating out a proper proof of correctness for m-r . ( subj of ch. 16 ). after that, will remain to add iteration to ffacalc; then , keccak.
1889215;1548172040;asciilifeform;( re why, see in http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-05#1884680 )
1889216;1548172040;a111;Logged on 2019-01-05 15:34 mircea_popescu: why does it need keccak ?
1889217;1548172128;*;asciilifeform brb,teatime
1889218;1548173327;jurov;!!v DBC0672930F65FD0885D4549BE150059A31EE2CBD31ACB12B81E02B6F5779D09
1889219;1548176316;asciilifeform;meanwhile, among the kipling aficionados , http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2892&cpage=1#comment-19779
1889220;1548177275;shinohai;To no one's surprise: http://archive.is/ZUyaI
1889221;1548177330;asciilifeform;lol, there's 1 of these erry other month or so
1889222;1548177458;asciilifeform;ok , having read this, i gotta laff, this is yet-another 'oh noez doesn't use usg.pki like inca commanded' 'bug'
1889223;1548177496;asciilifeform;it aint a bug. the bug is in the brain of whoever installs that os, where there is no user-controlled wot mechanism.
1889224;1548179168;asciilifeform;https://httpd.apache.org/security/vulnerabilities_24.html << related lulz.
1889225;1548180064;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-22#1889130 << the numbers are right there, what. so-and-so mp's box does so and so requests.
1889226;1548180064;a111;Logged on 2019-01-22 14:17 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-22#1889097 << with engine, you can compute the efficiency ( joules out / joules in ) and even get ~exact estimate of how much useful work engine of particular size will do. but with shitware..
1889227;1548180221;asciilifeform;lol this begins to resemble the emacs thrd, but with asciilifeform & mircea_popescu switched chairs
1889228;1548180234;asciilifeform;'hands off my beloved 20yo softs! they work!'
1889229;1548180290;mircea_popescu;yea, here's how they resemble : 1. "why are you wearing that old rag ?" "it's pretty" "maybe it was" "same difference" "mkay" vs 2. "why are you using that old math ?" "itworks" "maybe it did" "also". 1===2~!!!1111
1889230;1548180407;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i promise to come back to the item laters, when have with what to illustrate.
1889231;1548180424;mircea_popescu;np.
1889232;1548180452;asciilifeform;speaking of old maffs, turns out there's at least 11 classic proofs of fermat's 'little' theorem, incl. a combinatorial one.
1889233;1548180492;asciilifeform;( it's the motor that powers e.g. m-r , and also underpins the proof that rsa pub:priv pairing is unique )
1889234;1548180521;asciilifeform;( fermat himself, funnily enuff , and in his usual habit -- never gave even 1 )
1889235;1548180959;asciilifeform;meanwhile in sneakpreviews, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/sY0Xm/?raw=true
1889236;1548181072;asciilifeform;( alert reader will notice, it is based on http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/hypertext/ch15/fz_measr__adb.htm#29_13 )
1889237;1548182393;mircea_popescu;the fucking insanity, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-21#1882561 ; the particular apache running trilema has ~never~ crashed. nor do i expect it ever will ; nor can i conceive how the fuck "it's open to all comers on a net interface" can even begin to be equated with "it's facing me and my keyboard and that's all". you're not ~trying~ to fucking crash emacs, are you ? on the fucking contrary, which is the ~exact contrary~ of w
1889238;1548182393;a111;Logged on 2018-12-21 17:01 asciilifeform: for instance, asciilifeform has '9000' processes on this and other boxen, where uses 'screen+bash+etc for tards' even though theoretically 'could emacs' ( see also e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-03#1869024 ) , because they ~must not crash~ and emacs is unthreaded and hosable
1889239;1548182393;mircea_popescu;hat can be said of the interweb at large.
1889240;1548182408;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: fwiw mine never crashed either.
1889241;1548182422;asciilifeform;( which is moar than can be said for, e.g., linux kernel )
1889242;1548182462;mircea_popescu;linux kernel has a gash in itself, where "it gotta work with firmware" or "modules" or w/e the crap. 99+% percent of the time kernel crashed it wasn't the fucking kernel.
1889243;1548182483;mircea_popescu;and even taking the epsilon% remaining, 99+% of when THAT crashed it was because fucking drepper & co "upgraded" some shit.
1889244;1548182484;asciilifeform;it's, what, 99+% modulism by mass
1889245;1548182654;asciilifeform;nao tbf could even make same observation re emacs ( it's never the 1970s c core that bombs, always extension script that hangs )
1889246;1548182662;mircea_popescu;kernel, the functional core of it anyways, upon which all these entirely worthless http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-21#1888849 slash http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-17#1887990 attention whores are hoping to base their wholly imaginary "careers" and http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885512 etc, is about same vintage and about same quality as apache.
1889247;1548182662;a111;Logged on 2019-01-21 15:48 mircea_popescu: oh, and, of course : "Latest activity PetiteGoddess21 posted a journal entry on her profile titled “ill sell whatever you want”: about 10 hours ago I'll sell whatever you want ;) ( including videos, pics ,sexting, etc) if got all types of cloths for sale and request how you want them and how many days worn you want I'll also include a video of me playing in them , using them or anything else ... continue reading → "
1889248;1548182662;a111;Logged on 2019-01-17 06:41 mircea_popescu: The apparent murder of journalist Ahmed Divela is chilling. Ghana is recognized by many, including me, as a vibrant, strong democracy and an example for the continent in many ways. " meanwhile in related lulz.
1889249;1548182662;a111;Logged on 2019-01-07 19:29 mircea_popescu: i suppose in this the model breaks down, with the advent of pseudo"technology", the shy withdrawing type can "HackerCombat LLC is a news site, which acts as a source of information for IT security professionals across the world. We have lived it for more than 1 year since 2017, sharing IT expert guidance and insight, [...] " bla bla bla all day long.
1889250;1548182671;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha.
1889251;1548182724;mircea_popescu;so i suppose ~in that limited sense~ it can be said "same thing". but it is limited enough for the alternation of seats to be in the end not surprising but rather to be expected.
1889252;1548182750;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in each item's case, i'm interested in what's ~beneath~ the fungus
1889253;1548182762;asciilifeform;( if you look only at the top of the fungus, nothing at all is visible but fungus )
1889254;1548182813;mircea_popescu;yes, well, if you look at it functionally, apache (however scraped of fungus) is the reason can even read trilema today.
1889255;1548182828;asciilifeform;it's afaik the only currently working http spitter.
1889256;1548182868;asciilifeform;( general-purpose one, at any rate )
1889257;1548182871;mircea_popescu;seems to be converging that way.
1889258;1548182898;asciilifeform;( exactly as gcc is the only presently-working general-purpose c compiler, etc )
1889259;1548182908;mircea_popescu;yeah. specifically 4.x or w/e it was.
1889260;1548182936;asciilifeform;4.9 was afaik last one pre-leprosy.
1889261;1548182976;mircea_popescu;http://logs.minigame.biz/2019-01-17.log.html#t11:21:38 << concretes.
1889262;1548182977;lobbesbot;Logged on 2019-01-17 11:21:38: <requiemzz> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/QvdQb/?raw=true
1889263;1548183004;asciilifeform;btw does mircea_popescu have a apache tarball to sign ('as found') and share for cuntoo etc, a la gpg-1.4 ?
1889264;1548183019;mircea_popescu;fuck me.
1889265;1548183047;mircea_popescu;i don't even remember ~when~ i last compiled apache.
1889266;1548183049;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: see if you can dig up a favourite, plox, when you get chance
1889267;1548183109;mircea_popescu;and the bitch of it is, very widely configurable thing, and without proper configuration... well, it's ye olde http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-04#1820583 problem.
1889268;1548183109;a111;Logged on 2018-06-04 17:32 asciilifeform: junkyard wars (e.g. trb, mp-wp) where one is stuck welding a tank from 5 zaporozhets and 3 lada carcasses, because that's what there is to work with, inevitably are heavyweight
1889269;1548183127;asciilifeform;indeed is. would still like to have a historical one tho.
1889270;1548183145;mircea_popescu;item as pristine out of box has a dozen or so dimensions and subdimensions that hafta be fit into place, it's not ~really~ pret a porter (chiefly because one selling "all purpose cloth" can't sell it pre-cut)
1889271;1548183148;asciilifeform;then can at least begin to enumerate the possible knobs.
1889272;1548183169;asciilifeform;right nao errybody got a diff set of knobs, tower of babel.
1889273;1548183170;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ima think on this
1889274;1548183174;asciilifeform;ty mircea_popescu
1889275;1548183210;mircea_popescu;but i am discouraged by the result of the training exercise for this matter, where apparently in spite of attempts to standardize the infinitely more complex mp-wp, the result was similarly tower of bable.
1889276;1548183226;mircea_popescu;that was my preferred angle to approach this problem, and so far we're in 2019 working on mid-2017 tasks.
1889277;1548183230;asciilifeform;i suspect that nailing down the stack ~bottom first~ would help.
1889278;1548183236;mircea_popescu;i do not.
1889279;1548183240;asciilifeform;right nao errybody has slightly variant apache, php, etc
1889280;1548183248;mircea_popescu;i suspect having people well experienced in such things with toy buttons first is the way to go.
1889281;1548183277;mircea_popescu;(and i mean infinitely ~LESS~ complex, if it's not evident)
1889282;1548183331;asciilifeform;asciilifeform is prolly the farthest thing possible from an expert wwwist, if that wasn't already obvious. so cannot presume to say how.
1889283;1548183345;asciilifeform;but imho standardizing the pile of ??? can't possibly hurt.
1889284;1548183368;mircea_popescu;well if nothing else, we have to put something into eventual cuntoo downstream, along with db and so on.
1889285;1548183380;asciilifeform;e.g. trb , grew from acorn of tarball supplied by mircea_popescu in '14.
1889286;1548183390;asciilifeform;aha
1889287;1548183556;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-22#1889134 << the discussion died (i have no doubt under exact same "gotta rsfm" pressure), but we were talking 2016ish about needing own protocol (meanwhile in practice eulora is trying udp and that may even prove sufficient, eg). but yes, tmsr router obviously premature.
1889288;1548183556;a111;Logged on 2019-01-22 14:20 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-22#1889102 << exactly, not only this. potentially also other items, in re which still working through 'rtfm'.
1889289;1548183566;asciilifeform;( mass-wise, apache is considerably closer to the mass of e.g. gcc, than trb ; but on other hand seems to need less massage as it is, as mircea_popescu fond of pointing out, it largely worx )
1889290;1548183597;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i dun like to 'power ranger' ( as you called it in old essay ) a problem.
1889291;1548183631;mircea_popescu;i do not know exactly why, but both in case of mysql and apache, the cocksuckers (  http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-21#1888849 slash http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-17#1887990  items from before, and may it never be forgotten what they EXACTLY ARE) got sent packing to "make their own" that nobody gave a shit about.
1889292;1548183631;a111;Logged on 2019-01-21 15:48 mircea_popescu: oh, and, of course : "Latest activity PetiteGoddess21 posted a journal entry on her profile titled “ill sell whatever you want”: about 10 hours ago I'll sell whatever you want ;) ( including videos, pics ,sexting, etc) if got all types of cloths for sale and request how you want them and how many days worn you want I'll also include a video of me playing in them , using them or anything else ... continue reading → "
1889293;1548183631;a111;Logged on 2019-01-17 06:41 mircea_popescu: The apparent murder of journalist Ahmed Divela is chilling. Ghana is recognized by many, including me, as a vibrant, strong democracy and an example for the continent in many ways. " meanwhile in related lulz.
1889294;1548183705;mircea_popescu;ceterum autem censeo, there's no fucking difference between random "career" whore and random cam whore. they're the exact same identical physical item.
1889295;1548183767;asciilifeform;perfectly-spherical whores tho, with no holes, camwhore without cam, software whore without software, in keeping with 'fish counter where we have no fish to sell'
1889296;1548183774;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-22#1889138 << there is no absolute guarantee the solution to a problem you come up with is going to be shorter than a number you like.
1889297;1548183774;a111;Logged on 2019-01-22 14:29 asciilifeform: upstack to apache -- half a million loc of C is still half a million loc of C , even if by all appearances 'works solidly for yrs'
1889298;1548183790;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: indeed
1889299;1548183805;mircea_popescu;consider the item i was discussing with the girls last nigyht over coffees : there ~are~ rules for divisibility of integers for ~any~ integer, not just 2 or 3 or 5 or 9.
1889300;1548183820;mircea_popescu;HOWEVER, the ~complexity of their statement~ grows faster than the benefits.
1889301;1548183848;mircea_popescu;obviously it's ~extremely advantageous~ to know that "the number two quintillion quadrillion one is nevertheless divisible by 3".
1889302;1548183858;asciilifeform;depends on 'benefits' neh. you can express any 'divisibility test' as a gcd with fixed param.
1889303;1548183863;mircea_popescu;but knowing the rule for a number being divisible by 119 is comparatively less easy.
1889304;1548183877;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i mean in the traditional school of digit manipulation.
1889305;1548183880;asciilifeform;aa
1889306;1548183892;mircea_popescu;there ~necessarily can exist such rules~ for ~any arbitrary prime~
1889307;1548183905;mircea_popescu;there's no rule they're short enough you'd consider them fit in head.
1889308;1548183940;asciilifeform;the rule will include a constant, and that constant is at most as big as the prime itself
1889309;1548183948;asciilifeform;( see the gcd example. )
1889310;1548183952;mircea_popescu;(and there's also no rule the domain-extensions of "simple arithmetic" they require would be deemed comprehensible by chtulhu)
1889311;1548183996;asciilifeform;all of this is entirely troo. i'm not yet aware of any cthulhu-grade maffs in www server tho.
1889312;1548184032;mircea_popescu;nor of any god-made promise going "a www server you'd care to use can be made in less than x lines of y".
1889313;1548184038;asciilifeform;certainly not.
1889314;1548184058;mircea_popescu;so in truth we dunno, and as of yet we're not in a splendid position to guess yet, either.
1889315;1548184133;asciilifeform;all i know so far is that ditching c (esp. pointerism & heapism aspects) saves massive loc for given problem. but cannot quantify exactly what this means in re www servers.
1889316;1548184143;mircea_popescu;right.
1889317;1548184157;mircea_popescu;but in the end, what's the rush even. trilema didn't croak yest, and so here we are, can focus on other things.
1889318;1548184173;asciilifeform;no rush.
1889319;1548184228;asciilifeform;there's a pile of soft that's actually gravely braindamaged, that needs replacement before ever get to www server.
1889320;1548184293;mircea_popescu;but imo, the "number is divisible by two if last digit is divisible by two ; number is divisible by three if sum of digits is divisible by three ; number is divisible by five if last digit is divisible by five ; number is..." series is an EXCEPTIONALLY great model for the problem of "write software". because it is an ~ordered~ list of ~programs~, by its very nature. ordered ~by an implicit order of the problems~. and the resu
1889321;1548184293;mircea_popescu;lting "code" has varying lengths.
1889322;1548184320;mircea_popescu;in a sense, this is ~as much as we presently know~ of a ~perfect v tree".
1889323;1548184397;mircea_popescu;ie, one that has resolved the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-28#1883605 problem very strictly : "for this language, there is no better code"
1889324;1548184397;a111;Logged on 2018-12-28 17:15 mircea_popescu: seems to me the unspoken heuristic is, "large enough so it's not meaningful [and therefore large enough to not bother] and small enough so it's not larger than some other number i thought about".
1889325;1548184431;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the length of the 'coad' is a function of your working base.
1889326;1548184434;mircea_popescu;i can relaxedly put a temperature of 0 on the coupling between the string "number is divisible by two if last digit is divisible by two" and the respective index in the problem stair.
1889327;1548184453;mircea_popescu;ie, it's pefect code for once.
1889328;1548184499;asciilifeform;arithmetic is indeed closest anybody'll ever see to 'perfect code'
1889329;1548184506;mircea_popescu;none of this is to in any way dispute (or even refer to) the very practical, low-fruit-grasping, "lotta code out there is so fucking stupid, just washing hands halves it".
1889330;1548184510;mircea_popescu;this is going rather at the other end of things.
1889331;1548184613;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, but notice how "arithmetic" does not have a very great substance. the reason people like eg euler is very much in the vein of that http://trilema.com/2017/is-it-still-rape-if-i-write-science-on-my-penis-first/#selection-83.0-119.187 old "science == society game" model of science :
1889332;1548184649;mircea_popescu;i can ~also~ very relaxedly put a temperature of 0 on "to find out the sum of integers up to a limit, write them twice, once going left, once going right, sum the units and divide by two".
1889333;1548184688;mircea_popescu;the task itself is both banal and uninteresting, the solution lives forever in the annals of humanity in the proper sense of that term no "because it's short" but specifically because "it\s so evidently zero kelvin".
1889334;1548184699;asciilifeform;well yes , it aint euler who puts the 0 in the temperature
1889335;1548184713;mircea_popescu;and the fascination of all the old "olympiad problems" in the books, fly-between-trains, what have you, is specifically this : "get people to come up with very COOL!!!! solutions"
1889336;1548184718;asciilifeform;but you, when you eat a proof, and it actually goes in yer head
1889337;1548184722;asciilifeform;only then can say 'temperature 0'.
1889338;1548184737;mircea_popescu;which is why cambridge tripos went exactly nowhere on a large wooden spoon : "mathematical athleticism" is not mathematical anymore than the counting horse is.
1889339;1548184779;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there's quite a few ( or at least in asciilifeform's time, were ) 'olympiad' problems which are simply chinese-style 'do you know the classics' masquerading as olympiad problems
1889340;1548184792;asciilifeform;typical example is all the crud where it asks you for the last digit of a heavy exponent
1889341;1548184796;mircea_popescu;which is precisely the scar tissue of usg-ification of sovok.
1889342;1548184798;asciilifeform;( these are trivial if you know fermat )
1889343;1548184878;asciilifeform;( see also ancient lulzthread, http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-21#930306 )
1889344;1548184878;a111;Logged on 2014-11-21 01:48 asciilifeform: 'This is a special collection of problems that were given to select applicants during oral entrance exams to the math department of Moscow State University. These problems were designed to prevent Jewish people and other undesirables from getting a passing grade. Among problems that were used by the department to blackball unwanted candidate students, these problems are distinguished by having a simple solution
1889345;1548184878;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform part of the lulz of ye olde physics olympiad in mp\s native lands and times was "identify the problem type". lotta ~fundamentally illiterate~ (hey, they liked "science", can't possibly think fiction, doh!!!) profs tryina come up with ~convincing~ "and then she said...".
1889346;1548184897;mircea_popescu;failing so remarkably spectacularly the only remarkable part is nobody remarked upon it until 2019 rolled around in teh republic.
1889347;1548184907;mircea_popescu;i suppose it's still disqualified, i didn't state it in romanian.
1889348;1548184919;asciilifeform;btw that b00k was prolly the best , imho, known collection of olympiad problems
1889349;1548184926;asciilifeform;pretty much no others are worth anyffin
1889350;1548184963;asciilifeform;imho the 'cheat' was that they ~only~ fed'em to 'undesirables'. should've fed to ~errybody~
1889351;1548184990;mircea_popescu;but back to our topic : there STILL IS a marked difference between http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-18#1863581 intelligent an' smart.
1889352;1548184990;a111;Logged on 2018-10-18 18:59 mircea_popescu: 90% of the time i try to read something, the attempt fails ; and almost always it is because the author is insulting my smarts, not my intelligence. they're all such intelligent men, from sf writers to hayek to what have you. the problem is that they're not smart.
1889353;1548185024;*;mircea_popescu weeps for whosoever is gonna try to summarize today's log sometime. by now the simple mechanics of log linking have created an actual programming language, by the time one's done unpacking the context and unwrapping the meaning, the sun will likely be down.
1889354;1548185186;mircea_popescu;anyway, but "learn fermat -- apply when last digit of exponent" list of ~fiction tropes~ is nothing more than that : teaching kids how to "know the tells" of the (again -- remarkably fucking inept) "he liked science" illiterate storyteller.
1889355;1548185235;mircea_popescu;in short, mathematical (and to a large degree scientific, viz physics etc) education in the warsaw pact place-and-time degenerated into a trope of fiction. which is why "science fiction" was so loved in those parts of the world as opposed to anywhere else.
1889356;1548185248;asciilifeform;fwiw when asciilifeform , not even in teen yrs yet, lost interest in olympiads, this was why.
1889357;1548185251;mircea_popescu;a type not a trope of fiction.
1889358;1548185263;asciilifeform;( didn't particularly relish memorizing chess debuts, either )
1889359;1548185271;mircea_popescu;right ?
1889360;1548185312;mircea_popescu;kinda what sours the thinking man of chess : "dude, your metagame utterly ruins the fiction the game purports to render -- specifically because the word "gambit" exists in your language it CAN NOT be the case this is a story of war and civilisation"
1889361;1548185322;asciilifeform;aka 'exam taking'
1889362;1548185359;asciilifeform;e.g. chess, died imho long before mechanized with machine. killed by 'debut books' , a kind of meat-powered alphago death.
1889363;1548185440;mircea_popescu;in the end, "the smart don't like the intelligent" is the exact male equiv of ye female http://trilema.com/2016/the-pedoepiphany/ ; or in the immortal words of http://trilema.com/2014/millers-crossing/ " You are so goddamn smart. Except you ain't. I get you, smart guy. I know what you are. Straight as a corkscrew. Mr. Inside-Outski, like some goddamn Bolshevik picking up his orders from Yegg Central. You think you're so godda
1889364;1548185440;mircea_popescu;mn smart. You join up with Johnny Caspar, you bump Bernie Bernbaum. Up is down. Black is white. Well, I think you're half smart. I think you were straight with your frail, I think you were queer with Johnny Caspar... and I think you'd sooner join a ladies' league than gun a guy down. Then I hear from these two geniuses they never even saw this rub-out take place. "
1889365;1548185440;asciilifeform;anyffin at all risks to stop being interesting to thinking folx, when it turns into a contest of who memorized moar trivia from encyclopaedia.
1889366;1548185485;asciilifeform;!#s хуй с винтом
1889367;1548185485;a111;0 results for "хуй с винтом", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%D1%85%D1%83%D0%B9%20%D1%81%20%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BC
1889368;1548185487;asciilifeform;hm.
1889369;1548185500;asciilifeform;!#s на хитрую жопу
1889370;1548185500;a111;1 result for "на хитрую жопу", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D1%85%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%80%D1%83%D1%8E%20%D0%B6%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%83
1889371;1548185503;asciilifeform;there.
1889372;1548185518;asciilifeform;( http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-31#1838410 < subj )
1889373;1548185518;a111;Logged on 2018-07-31 16:23 asciilifeform: 'на каждую хитрую жопу, всегда найдется свой болт с резьбой'(tm)(r)(proverb)
1889374;1548185532;mircea_popescu;a whole raft of "dad didn't much care for arthur blair snif sniff" is readily explained by the model "dad got smart with age, kiddo was born intelligent."
1889375;1548185574;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform remarkable how the corkscrew is a recurring object in any discussion of this gap.
1889376;1548185673;asciilifeform;indeed
1889377;1548185719;asciilifeform;or recall the scytale thing ( 'original rsa' )
1889378;1548185757;asciilifeform;the ancients built locks where one needed just-so screw thread to open. and we're sorta still doing this.
1889379;1548185848;mircea_popescu;i suppose.
1889380;1548185986;asciilifeform;even in 1st grade, it was obv who were the kids who liked to think, and who 'memorize encyclopaedia' to lick arses of elders, the little shits, the kanzures.
1889381;1548186013;asciilifeform;what were the latter called on mircea_popescu's home planet, iirc , tocilarii ?
1889382;1548186031;mircea_popescu;yep
1889383;1548186046;mircea_popescu;dude, your romanian's by now scary, what, you keep these words in a special museum of hate or something ?
1889384;1548186061;mircea_popescu;"alf knows how to say these 5 things he can't stand in all languages that exist or existed".
1889385;1548186068;mircea_popescu;come to think of it not a bad approach...
1889386;1548186175;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i read buncha trilema, lolwat.
1889387;1548186188;mircea_popescu;well more power to you
1889388;1548186222;asciilifeform;ftr it's a ru cognate (1 of the rare genuine ones, vs. 'truda' etc ) . точило == grinding wheel.
1889389;1548186388;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i currently suspect that all langs on planet3, living and extinct, have term for 'anal child'. it's a reasonably common bio-failuremode, like schizo etc.
1889390;1548186439;asciilifeform;not always will find it in dictionaries. but surely exists.
1889391;1548187344;mircea_popescu;quite possibru
1889392;1548187401;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform certified genuine cognate ; ro word for "we sharpen knives and scythes and whatnot" shop is "tocilarie"
1889393;1548187463;mircea_popescu;a toci = to wear down (generally through use), cutit tocit = dull knife
1889394;1548187867;mircea_popescu;!1help
1889395;1548187867;feedbot;Usage: !1 {subscribe,unsubscribe} feed_url
1889396;1548187875;mircea_popescu;spyked is there a way for one to list what rss he's subscribed with feedbot ?
1889397;1548187949;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-22#1889147 << this is actually surprisingly apt.
1889398;1548187949;a111;Logged on 2019-01-22 14:58 asciilifeform: verily.  by ritchie's own words, c is moar of a macroassembler than prog lang in the customary sense of the term
1889399;1548187961;mircea_popescu;was very useful, up until registers went 32 bit.
1889400;1548188055;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-22#1889150 << there's no way to have a rsa-aware client without the corresponding server, yes ? it's a whole migration, just, i was hoping she'd only have to do the server side, was the point of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-05#1884608 comment.
1889401;1548188055;a111;Logged on 2019-01-22 15:02 asciilifeform: oh hm i thought diana_coman were baking client nowadays
1889402;1548188055;a111;Logged on 2019-01-05 14:16 mircea_popescu: diana_coman is working for s.mg ; we've recently had this exact talk and revised our plans. originally the idea was to have moved over to cuntoo, and do support work for community-driven effort at a new client. the latter completely collapsed over the shocking weakness of such community ; the former's at best delayed.
1889403;1548188144;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-22#1889170 << yeah, that resolution was actually in the "unexpected good news" category.
1889404;1548188144;a111;Logged on 2019-01-22 15:11 diana_coman: it was more of a confusion/mess rather than real problem as such
1889405;1548188151;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-22#1889353 << Trying to find "news" today I see nothing outside the log that isn't eclipsed by the log in importance
1889406;1548188151;a111;Logged on 2019-01-22 19:23 mircea_popescu weeps for whosoever is gonna try to summarize today's log sometime. by now the simple mechanics of log linking have created an actual programming language, by the time one's done unpacking the context and unwrapping the meaning, the sun will likely be down.
1889407;1548188215;mircea_popescu;well, watching the outside world is a little like watching middle class tweens "fighting" on the playground. lotta shoving, lotta posturing and "threatening" behaviour. lotta talk, jack shit to get excited over.
1889408;1548188273;BingoBoingo;Every now an then there's inflection points. Someone during the posturing knocks over some other dork's drink, etc
1889409;1548188309;BingoBoingo;Posturing interrupted by flying rock from neaby bum fight
1889410;1548188409;mircea_popescu;just aboot.
1889411;1548188630;BingoBoingo;Since the weekend the English Press Pantsuits have been demonizing, hedging their demonizing, and redirecting their shit over some white boy from Ohio who dared to smile
1889412;1548188695;mircea_popescu;sounds like a helluva subject.
1889413;1548188840;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-22#1889399 << machine bitness had ~0 to do with it; was ~useful until folx decided to write 'half mil' line proggies in it.
1889414;1548188840;a111;Logged on 2019-01-22 20:12 mircea_popescu: was very useful, up until registers went 32 bit.
1889415;1548188865;asciilifeform;like all kludges, comes apart when you stand up nontrivial weight on it.
1889416;1548188866;mircea_popescu;machine bitness has everything to do with it -- 16 bit machine only accesses memory you can fit in head.
1889417;1548188882;mircea_popescu;thus you don't really want a compiler as much as you want a (very narrowly) meta-assembler.
1889418;1548188895;mircea_popescu;back in 8 bit days we all worked in asm anyways! no c. why no c ?
1889419;1548188898;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: even ye olde pdp, addressed 512kB+
1889420;1548188899;mircea_popescu;it's niche was 16 bit regs.
1889421;1548188915;asciilifeform;dawn of c pre-dates the toy micro.
1889422;1548188922;mircea_popescu;so ?
1889423;1548188928;asciilifeform;( the toy micro, in fact, saw very little c in the '80s )
1889424;1548188946;asciilifeform;ftr, i never had a c compiler on my c64
1889425;1548188962;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: didja have 1 on yer jupiter or what was that ro z80 thing
1889426;1548188975;mircea_popescu;nope.
1889427;1548188981;asciilifeform;for same reason.
1889428;1548188982;mircea_popescu;spectrum ?
1889429;1548188986;asciilifeform;spectrum clone aha
1889430;1548188991;asciilifeform;i fughet what it was called
1889431;1548188995;mircea_popescu;yes. which is what i'm saying, c was useful pre 32bit regs.
1889432;1548189010;mircea_popescu;!#s "tim-s"
1889433;1548189010;a111;13 results for "\"tim-s\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22tim-s%22
1889434;1548189014;asciilifeform;aa
1889435;1548189015;mircea_popescu;!#s "hc-8"
1889436;1548189016;a111;2 results for "\"hc-8\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22hc-8%22
1889437;1548189023;asciilifeform;not so many folx actually felt need for c or other compiler/macroasm on 16-64k micros tho.
1889438;1548189048;mircea_popescu;64k mem is 8 bit machine. you work in asm there.
1889439;1548189052;asciilifeform;aha
1889440;1548189058;*;asciilifeform brb,teatime
1889441;1548189069;mircea_popescu;2mb mem is 16 bit machine. you ~can~ work in asm theree too, but ideally you want some support. the prevailing meta-assembler was called c
1889442;1548189088;mircea_popescu;4gb mem is 32 bit machine. on this horizon, asm and c ~similarily useless.
1889443;1548189165;mircea_popescu;and the problem of "wut use then" is still open, in which context i perceive eg the bolix wank.
1889444;1548191062;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 16bit ( barring various 'banking' trickeries ) addresses 2^16 == 64k.
1889445;1548191117;asciilifeform;i dun disagree with (what i think is) mircea_popescu's upstack point, tho, bigger machine gives you bigger wrench to drop on yer foot re complexity.
1889446;1548191290;asciilifeform;esp. when iron is big enuff that folx fall into the sin of perceiving cpu cycles & bytes of ram as 'infinite' and phree
1889447;1548191339;asciilifeform;( see also e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763155 )
1889448;1548191339;a111;Logged on 2018-01-03 16:05 asciilifeform: but in very unrelated lulz, https://archive.is/bON1p >> 'It’s a bit absurd that a modern gaming machine running at 4,000x the speed of an apple 2, with a CPU that has 500,000x as many transistors (with a GPU that has 2,000,000x as many transistors) can maybe manage the same latency as an apple 2 in very carefully coded applications if we have a monitor with nearly 3x the refresh rate.'
1889449;1548191354;asciilifeform;( + http://www.loper-os.org/?p=300 )
1889450;1548191463;*;asciilifeform brb,meat systems
1889451;1548192165;*;mircea_popescu evidently can't carry a discussion on artithetics, even if "general point" wins easy enough.
1889452;1548193078;jurov;!!v 29655BAE7EB994572FCC2E0087E12C247E1CBE3BC1C2C1237740D8F6B52B8A81
1889453;1548193084;deedbot;jurov paid BingoBoingo invoice 6
1889454;1548193084;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-22#1889180 << why can;t it be instantiated with knowledge of its size ?
1889455;1548193084;a111;Logged on 2019-01-22 15:17 asciilifeform: the only case i discovered so far that demands it, is mmap ( the map ~must~ know when it is about to go out of scope )
1889456;1548193386;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-22#1889222 << same here. wtf idiocy is this, thin wrapper around "o noes, people who don't like pantsuitism made websites to mock us, NO GOOD".
1889457;1548193386;a111;Logged on 2019-01-22 17:17 asciilifeform: ok , having read this, i gotta laff, this is yet-another 'oh noez doesn't use usg.pki like inca commanded' 'bug'
1889458;1548194417;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/01/us-home-sales-hit-a-3-year-low-over-december/ << Qntra -- US Home Sales Hit A 3 Year Low Over December
1889459;1548196154;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2010/pe-ei-pe-mama-lor/ << ever read thgat one, incidentally ? 10 bux tax on fastfood to balance out the externalized costs they dump on health budgets (and to signal to women they'd better drop the act and start cooking daily) ; and 500% excise on windows for stupidity.
1889460;1548196299;asciilifeform;ha, no, hadn't read
1889461;1548196311;asciilifeform;iirc they actually tried the food one in nyc at some pt
1889462;1548196340;feedbot;http://bimbo.club/2019/01/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-october-november-and-december-1714-part-v/ << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of October, November, and December, 1714. - Part V.
1889463;1548196341;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-22#1889454 << not only can, but absolutely must, in order to work. issue was re ~scope~, it gotta know its scope.
1889464;1548196341;a111;Logged on 2019-01-22 21:38 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-22#1889180 << why can;t it be instantiated with knowledge of its size ?
1889465;1548196402;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/FR2P7 << didactic example of the biznis-end of that thing.
1889466;1548196472;asciilifeform;observe that 'M' knows when the end of its life comes, and gets synced to disk (if applicable , i.e. was mapped r/w) and properly cleaned up, without any such abortion as a 'free' statement a la c
1889467;1548196502;asciilifeform;this is done with a standard ada feature called 'controlled limited type'. which i found that, for no documented reason, dunwork in gnat's static lib.
1889468;1548196642;mircea_popescu;ah yes.
1889469;1548196665;asciilifeform;this was a shot at improved (pointerism-free, externally) variant of earlier system 'horsecocks'
1889470;1548196678;asciilifeform;both give you a direct path from a data structure to/from disk.
1889471;1548196689;asciilifeform;lets you have e.g. the trb indexer thing, as ordinary array, etc
1889472;1548196708;asciilifeform;obviates a good number of scenarios where otherwise you'd want to use a db system.
1889473;1548196799;mircea_popescu;i see it now.
1889474;1548196804;asciilifeform;mmap is 1 of the few nice things in linux , lets you e.g. map a 1tb segment and store as file, and will actually 'sparse' store etc.
1889475;1548196819;mircea_popescu;do you see much difference between "controlled limited type" and "promises this is an object with destructor method properly called" ?
1889476;1548196857;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's very similar to cpp 'destructor' aha. with the diff that ada forces various limitations re the item, to prevent various cpp-esque lulz
1889477;1548196876;asciilifeform;( there's a range of things you aint allowed to do with a controlled type, chiefly to copy it )
1889478;1548196887;mircea_popescu;aha.
1889479;1548196906;mircea_popescu;now the question is, if you only need this specifically once, why do you need ada to do it for you
1889480;1548196923;asciilifeform;cuz theres no way to do it without support from the compiler.
1889481;1548196944;asciilifeform;it gotta actually enforce the 'copying this thing is an eggog', trigger the death procedure when it goes out of scope, etc
1889482;1548196960;asciilifeform;iirc this aint new even, was in ada-83.
1889483;1548196969;asciilifeform;it's a pretty basic lang knob.
1889484;1548196975;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1889485;1548196977;*;mircea_popescu is satisfied.
1889486;1548196984;asciilifeform;how gcc broke it, remains to be sniffed out
1889487;1548197003;asciilifeform;i'ma have to do some serious detective work, when i get a free hand .
1889488;1548197365;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666647 << the original item, for thread-compleeetness
1889489;1548197365;a111;Logged on 2017-06-06 19:40 asciilifeform: mod6, phf , et al : http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/ada/horsecocks.tar.gz << i dun recall posting this before, so here it will live, for nao : unofficial release of mmaptron
1889490;1548197467;asciilifeform;^ it -- worx, and as described above, with the diff that it requires pointerism to be enabled.
1889491;1548197528;mircea_popescu;that's quite the diff.
1889492;1548197532;asciilifeform;verily
1889493;1548197549;asciilifeform;i used it to prototype the o(1) tx index thing (also posted, but dun have the logptr handy atm)
1889494;1548197668;asciilifeform;btw, imho it's a good example of 'ffa-style' narrowing of problem domain ( there is no good reason for ancient tx to be rewritable )
1889495;1548197700;asciilifeform;iirc we walked the subj in detail some time in '17
1889496;1548197990;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2009/windows-este-cel-mai-tare/ << via upstack link, lulzy btw
1889497;1548198008;asciilifeform;iirc there's a large collection of these somewhere, bsods photo'd 'in the wild' on bank atm's, etc
1889498;1548198031;mircea_popescu;damn, what is that, windows 95 ?
1889499;1548198038;asciilifeform;loox like... 'xp home'
1889500;1548198054;asciilifeform;( you can tell by the 'kindergarten' colour palette )
1889501;1548198084;mircea_popescu;o yeah, i recall now! at the time, microshit (panicked no doubt over euro-bureaucracies going linux-ish) was media-buying massively. in ro campaign was "be smart".
1889502;1548198089;mircea_popescu;ie, "be smart" and buy shit.
1889503;1548198102;asciilifeform;lol!
1889504;1548198190;mircea_popescu;you know ?
1889505;1548198216;asciilifeform;i dun recall this slogan appearing in gringolandia-side ads, but reminiscent of crapple's 'think differently' or what was it
1889506;1548198228;mircea_popescu;sometimes i sit here and regret the days i was wriging 2-3-5 articles/day on trilema. then i read one of those, and it's always, "o cute, 1/10 of an article".
1889507;1548198238;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i suspect direct theft, tbh.
1889508;1548198244;asciilifeform;come to think of it , i can't recall when last saw a winblowz ad as such
1889509;1548198268;mircea_popescu;they kinda gave up, became abstract "tech" with google an' apple.
1889510;1548198301;asciilifeform;strangely enuff, there are still ads for intel
1889511;1548198409;asciilifeform;largely unrelatedly, today asciilifeform uncrated a spool of 70kV insulating tape, and surprised to discover that it is made with... mastic. y'know, how ~all~ electrician's tape used to be made, in ww2 and prior
1889512;1548198497;asciilifeform;pistacia lentiscus.
1889513;1548199044;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: re crapple, it's become a rich generator of lulz : their current strategy seems to consist of, per iteration of product : 1) cut an essential component (e.g. headphone jack) , and declare 'fashionable' 2) double price
1889514;1548199090;asciilifeform;can't wait for the logical end of this, when they cut e.g. the screen ( 'why do you need a screen, terrorist. talk to the box with mouth..' ) and eventually will ship a http://www.loper-os.org/?p=405 i expect.
1889515;1548199220;mircea_popescu;the truth of the matter is that the great clinton dream (it made it even into "primary colors", whereby clinton explains to a group of "worried" workers [worried about the fact that their standards of living are strictly unmaintainable post-imperialism] that their only hope at continuation is through some kind of [unspecified, because unspecifiable] "skill acquiring" -- with all the sweet air of doctor who tells cancer patien
1889516;1548199220;mircea_popescu;t that his only hope at being young again is if he finds the way to shit whole prunes) that yielded the "entrepreneurial" revolution which, in short order, latched upon the imaginary http://trilema.com/2016/files-from-the-war-on-the-web-today-literotica/#selection-393.0-393.767 aka "ugc" as a fuel base to transform into prosperity died sometime since 2001.
1889517;1548199227;asciilifeform;( already they removed the buttons from pnoje )
1889518;1548199242;mircea_popescu;so nobody seriously perceives the need to even think about such things. advertise microsoft ? to whom and why ? microsoft ~no longer does anything~, it "just is".
1889519;1548199315;mircea_popescu;there was a brief interval, 90s to maybe 2005, when parent might have been even enthusiastic over kid's "entrepreneurship" declarations.
1889520;1548199332;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there are some ads that dun even pretend to make sense from commercial pov, and are strictly 'behold the glory of the great inca'. i used to ride the train erry day, it would as often as not be covered in ads for lockheed, grumman, etc, with photo of latest $trillion will-get-stuck-in-erry-canal boat, submarine, etc
1889521;1548199336;mircea_popescu;today seems (outside of orclands, where they're retarded) just on par with what it always was, "suppose you get a real job"
1889522;1548199365;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform even in sovok days, advertising on the "government line" of moscow subway was geared thusly.
1889523;1548199377;mircea_popescu;wash dc subways bad sample for this discussion.
1889524;1548199415;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: sovok 'ads' were typically of 'agit' variety -- stern lenin face with 'lenin bids you to keep yer lathe clean and reduce workplace fatalities' etc
1889525;1548199574;asciilifeform;re microshit 'just is' -- iirc the inflection point was some time in late '90s, when they switched to being fueled entirely by 'os tax' on all konsoomer pc irons, and dispensed with the pretense of 'folx make choice to buy os, in cardboard box'
1889526;1548199608;*;mircea_popescu never bought whole computer, doth not know, but believes./
1889527;1548199633;asciilifeform;( today even 'os tax' is paid largely from usg coffers, when they buy tetristrons for the desk jockeys )
1889528;1548199729;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if you upturn an old lappy, you can see whether it was bought orig in gringolandia, and had the winblowz tax, they stuck little stickers on'em
1889529;1548199738;mircea_popescu;which brings http://trilema.com/2013/the-state-banking-and-bitcoin/ very much to mind.
1889530;1548199782;asciilifeform;exactly like that
1889531;1548200031;asciilifeform;re microshit 'os' in boxes -- seems like they see primary competition currently as being... old versions of own shit. ( recently they demonstratively had a d00d jailed, not even for 'pirated' but for selling at flea markets ~old winblowz~ disks )
1889532;1548200116;asciilifeform;seem to be particularly interested in exterminating 'xp', which was porous & bsody but at least not then included keylogger straight off the install , just yet
1889533;1548200131;mircea_popescu;it's entirely possible current "anti-terrorism" java http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-18#1888222 dun even work on win95.
1889534;1548200131;a111;Logged on 2019-01-18 17:27 mircea_popescu: that they don't do anything in particular should be self-evident, but here's some lulz re "intelligent design" :
1889535;1548200141;asciilifeform;( current offering -- includes, and not even attempted to hide any moar )
1889536;1548200182;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: entirely possible, understaffed monkey house stretched thin and tired of maintaining pills for ancient shitsoft
1889537;1548200423;asciilifeform;already microshit in fact banned iron vendors from shipping drivers for xp for any reason.
1889538;1548200430;asciilifeform;( under penalty of excommunication )
1889539;1548201406;mircea_popescu;"for security"
1889540;1548201457;mircea_popescu;anyway, meanwhile would-be "ddoser" broke teeth -- anyone with deferred trilemaing is invited to catch up.
1889541;1548209422;*;asciilifeform played trilemaroulette, and got http://trilema.com/2014/i-saw-and-was-saddened/ vintage lul
1889542;1548209437;asciilifeform;wonder what happened to subj d00d
1889543;1548210081;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: uy1 temps in-range, for 8th day; and so at all times other than when that battery's charging
1889544;1548210425;mircea_popescu;wasn't he here last year with the "media company" with no dns resolvers ?
1889545;1548210435;asciilifeform;iirc that was weev
1889546;1548210442;mircea_popescu;this is weev also.
1889547;1548210443;asciilifeform;( or are they same.. )
1889548;1548210444;asciilifeform;aa
1889549;1548210449;asciilifeform;aite then
1889550;1548210472;BingoBoingo;They are the same
1889551;1548210484;asciilifeform;puzzler -- solved.
1889552;1548210488;mircea_popescu;went by "rabite" back then (if memory serves, before discovering "white supremacist" via usg's free housing services)
1889553;1548210600;asciilifeform;iirc his lettre de cachet got cancelled on a technicality, somehow
1889554;1548210643;asciilifeform;at least Officially. naodays gotta wonder whether was 'technicality' or not
1889555;1548210666;mircea_popescu;it's kinda how ~any decision in http://trilema.com/2013/the-sops-or-what-might-you-expect-from-government-clerks/ goes.
1889556;1548210679;asciilifeform;given that he's done ~0 but to harmlessly 'rezistenta prin cultura' since
1889557;1548210681;mircea_popescu;i don't know that there ever was a "conviction" that stood other than by sheer disinterest of the convicted.
1889558;1548210694;mircea_popescu;otherwise, much as the conviction rate is 100%, the reversal rate is also 100%.
1889559;1548210705;asciilifeform;iirc that ulbricht d00d appealed endlessly
1889560;1548210743;asciilifeform;( last i knew , still was )
1889561;1548210796;asciilifeform;nsa decree 'unhappened' his what to appeal with.
1889562;1548210798;mircea_popescu;give it a few years, what "endlessly"
1889563;1548210851;asciilifeform;( tried to present the obv. fact of tor diddlage, was thrown out on 'national seekoority grounds' etc )
1889564;1548210910;asciilifeform;not to mention the other '9000' d00dz sitting on 'parallel constructed' evidences.
1889565;1548211001;mircea_popescu;to quote the prophets, "Fortunately, your chances of being awarded SSI are 100%. ("Not for me!"  Again, it's not for you.)  You may be awarded it on the first try; you may be denied and then get it on appeal; you may need an SSI hearing before the judge; or you may apply five or six times and finally get it after ten years.  But if you are persistent, you will get it."
1889566;1548211022;mircea_popescu;also ""You"= your doc who fills out a packet with specific questions; and maybe a lawyer who processes the massive amounts of other paperwork, and argues your case, and charges about 20% of a year's award.
1889567;1548211022;mircea_popescu;"show" has a very specific legal definition: whatever the judge feels like that day.  I have been involved in thousands of these SSI cases, and to describe the system as arbitrary is to describe Blake Lively as "fair.""
1889568;1548211056;asciilifeform;tlp eh
1889569;1548211060;mircea_popescu;aha.
1889570;1548211073;asciilifeform;iirc he was discussing rando hobos, rather than miscreant cacheted by personal decree of obummer tho
1889571;1548211082;mircea_popescu;that was 2003 or so. in the intervening 15 years the principle expanded out of the empire of inner city mammies / "social workers".
1889572;1548211099;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you ever heard of liver tissue eating out tumour ?
1889573;1548211110;asciilifeform;sure
1889574;1548211140;mircea_popescu;on planet backwards, or what.
1889575;1548211157;asciilifeform;possibly i read it backwards?
1889576;1548211160;asciilifeform;y'mean tu
1889577;1548211164;asciilifeform;mour eating liver ?
1889578;1548211172;asciilifeform;that -- heard. and of dog biting man.
1889579;1548211176;asciilifeform;man biting dog, not heard
1889580;1548211177;mircea_popescu;...
1889581;1548211180;mircea_popescu;right.
1889582;1548211205;asciilifeform;how does it plug in tho
1889583;1548211248;mircea_popescu;cuz of course pseudo-rational process of fat female niggers stomped out rational process of traditional law, rather than the other way around,
1889584;1548211266;mircea_popescu;and thus therefore of fucking course the manner in which tlp described welfare courts working in 2003 is how general court works in 2019
1889585;1548211281;mircea_popescu;over timeline, liver becomes more like tumour, not vice-versa.
1889586;1548211315;asciilifeform;the mamies win their appeals cuz there's 100mil of'em and system aint set up to send ~all~ of'em downriver, there aint enuff clinks to house'em all. whereas 'terrorists' in the 'supermax' there's a coupla dozen of, and i've yet to heard of 1 being cut loose on appeal
1889587;1548211337;mircea_popescu;give it time, it's definitely happening.
1889588;1548211353;mircea_popescu;heck, most of bush's "never-releasable" kidnap victims were meanwhile released.
1889589;1548211370;asciilifeform;iirc about half yea
1889590;1548211384;mircea_popescu;twas half back in i dunno even, 2015 maybe.
1889591;1548211434;mircea_popescu;the case where "forever-and-ever" promise beneficiary actually brings action against the promiser, "they;'re supposed to feed and clothe me, porca vaca" isn't far off.
1889592;1548211449;asciilifeform;there's precedent -- e.g. the fella who tried to plug brezhnev, actually got out when su ran out -- after doing 30yrs in phonebooth-sized oubliette
1889593;1548211456;asciilifeform;so i guess could.
1889594;1548211509;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-22#1843703 << subj.
1889595;1548211509;a111;Logged on 2018-08-22 21:51 asciilifeform: 'Andropov: Why did you decide that you are a judge and can decide with a gun in your hands?   Ilyin: Because a person should live not exist.'
1889596;1548211517;mircea_popescu;if you construct a "regime" out of the thin veneer of pop-socialism, myopic as all get-out and with all the intellectual prowess of earthworms, what the fuck do you expect permanence.
1889597;1548211521;mircea_popescu;yearence is a wonder.
1889598;1548215799;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in other great accomplishments of the scots, "the highland schottische is a partnered country dance that apparently originated in Bohemia."
1889599;1548232654;feedbot;http://bimbo.club/2019/01/arenal/ << Bimbo.Club -- Arenal.
1889600;1548246604;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-22#1889396 <-- there is a !1list command (no extra args) that lists subscriptions for the user who PMs it. however, it doesn't work in chan and I didn't document it due to its spamminess. feedbot will reply with one rss feed per line, not sure if it would be more appropriate to list rss feeds in a paste or something. curious to hear opinions re this
1889601;1548246604;a111;Logged on 2019-01-22 20:11 mircea_popescu: spyked is there a way for one to list what rss he's subscribed with feedbot ?
1889602;1548246695;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-22#1889514 <-- IIRC googlazon already had these?
1889603;1548246695;a111;Logged on 2019-01-22 23:18 asciilifeform: can't wait for the logical end of this, when they cut e.g. the screen ( 'why do you need a screen, terrorist. talk to the box with mouth..' ) and eventually will ship a http://www.loper-os.org/?p=405 i expect.
1889604;1548257601;billymg;!!pay-invoice BingoBoingo 2
1889605;1548257608;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9Su07/?raw=true
1889606;1548257635;billymg;!!v 84FA1FA87D30797902FD6E826F91277AAE579669D1AC76944774AD82654A4E21
1889607;1548257639;deedbot;billymg paid BingoBoingo invoice 2
1889608;1548259763;Mocky;BingoBoingo can you set me up with mp-wp in my wwwhabeeb directory on uy1 for mockyhabeeb.com? I want to see what migrating my blog will involve.
1889609;1548261039;BingoBoingo;Mocky: Will do
1889610;1548261277;BingoBoingo;In other news one of several competing "Presidents" of Venezuela (Think Iraq's Chalabi) is going to be holding a rally across from the Tres Cruses Shopping and National Bus Terminal here in Uruguay
1889611;1548261585;mircea_popescu;spyked a ty
1889612;1548261603;mircea_popescu;you can document it,
1889613;1548261635;mircea_popescu;Usage: !1 list lists subscriptions [works in PM only]
1889614;1548261684;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo going ? keks
1889615;1548261877;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Thinking on it, but unlike yesterday, there's a growing pile of material to be Qntra'd today.
1889616;1548261891;mircea_popescu;a
1889617;1548262045;*;BingoBoingo has seen other less acute USG.BLUE productions here
1889618;1548262122;mircea_popescu;they're so lulzy, with their little dress-up cons.
1889619;1548262129;mircea_popescu;usg.cosplay ~= usg.*
1889620;1548262139;*;BingoBoingo expects something like http://bingology.net/2018/12/17/the-expocannabis-an-executive-report/ minus the vendor booths and condensed into an hour or so
1889621;1548262175;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at the lulzfarm,
1889622;1548262176;mircea_popescu;MRExtreme 52M Dom "Hi LordMP, I will be travelling to Costa Rica with my slave. Do you have any (kinky) tips ? Have a nice day MRExtreme" LordMPofTMSR "You can start with the customary six months of log reading ; other than that specific channel I have nothing to say to uppity plebs."
1889623;1548262181;BingoBoingo;But I'll get the updates. Dude's apparently not even setting his pulpit up in the Pope's designated spot in Tres Cruces
1889624;1548262268;mircea_popescu;universalism is not an xtian sect!!!1
1889625;1548262533;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in lulz : trilema gets referral spam from "esif22.zcodesys.hop.clickbank.net" ; the unpacking is : https://zcodesystem.com/affiliates.html (some "betting" scam) is being pushed via clickbank (principal affiliate clearhinghouse) by some guy whose code is esif22. the idea is that if (naive) webmaster clicks (or publishes his referrer list for others to click) the clickbank item will count a click "sent by" this esif22
1889626;1548262533;mircea_popescu; dood whoever he is.
1889627;1548262600;mircea_popescu;so the dood's businessplan is, 1. get a list of websites ; 2. while $list do curl -e "esif22.zcodesys.hop.clickbank.net"; done.
1889628;1548262625;mircea_popescu;first fucking thing on the scam's landing page being "* Note: The base commission is set to 50% to reduce affiliate fraud from newbie affiliates. After 90 days and 10 sales you can request to be moved to 60% commission tier."
1889629;1548262659;mircea_popescu;beeecause... well... esif22 isn't the first http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-01#1838623 in the history ~of this particular scam~. nor the 100th.
1889630;1548262659;a111;Logged on 2018-08-01 03:03 douchebag: I'm in AT&T Hall of Fame
1889631;1548262666;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/01/syria-demands-un-action-against-israeli-attacks-to-avert-retaliation-against-tel-aviv-airport/ << Qntra -- Syria Demands UN Action Against Israeli Attacks To Avert Retaliation Against Tel Aviv Airport
1889632;1548262681;mircea_popescu;now that should be lulzy.
1889633;1548262706;mircea_popescu;israel getting sanctioned should provide 6mo+ of dnc destructuring "journalism" wank back at home.
1889634;1548262726;mircea_popescu;"hey, nancy pelosi, io for or against israel ?" "ummm... it's complicated"
1889635;1548262791;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo " their right of self defense by according to the "
1889636;1548263060;BingoBoingo;ty fxd
1889637;1548263218;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in yet other lulz  : https://issuu.com/craps/docs/fa2014 ( A Family Affair : Bull & Female Sale  )
1889638;1548263461;mircea_popescu;and in YET OTHER obscure lulz (that i suspect only hanbot is equipped to appreciate), http://visurat.ro/
1889639;1548264733;hanbot;^ smells better already
1889640;1548264935;mircea_popescu;keks.
1889641;1548265074;hanbot;anyway, easy enough to explain, lol. here http://archive.is/Lrl69#selection-613.0-617.55
1889642;1548265132;asciilifeform;oh hm is this that 'moartea ca o veste buna' d00d ?
1889643;1548265429;mircea_popescu;hanbot haha, goes nicely with ye olde http://trilema.com/2010/spatiu-personal/ dork.
1889644;1548265430;mircea_popescu;gallery!
1889645;1548265445;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nah, some bum/dockworker "being a blogger" back in ye olde days before trilema.
1889646;1548265450;asciilifeform;aaa
1889647;1548265467;mircea_popescu;good enough in open spaces, but intolerable indoors.
1889648;1548265567;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what did he write about ?
1889649;1548265581;asciilifeform;(i.e. why memorable ? )
1889650;1548265612;mircea_popescu;memorable because he came to trilema conference before #trilema/tmsr/bitcoin even, and impressed the girls with his "manly" odours.
1889651;1548265621;asciilifeform;lol!!
1889652;1548265645;mircea_popescu;you realise, there were eg http://trilema.com/2009/nsfw-meet-trilema-editia-ii/
1889653;1548265646;mircea_popescu;in 2009.
1889654;1548266335;BingoBoingo;!Qlater tell Mocky http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/VFcWU/?raw=true
1889655;1548266335;lobbesbot;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
1889656;1548266621;Mocky;BingoBoingo: got it, thx
1889657;1548266622;lobbesbot;Mocky: Sent 4 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/VFcWU/?raw=true
1889658;1548266792;BingoBoingo;Mocky: Let me know you you have any questions or would like any assistance
1889659;1548266934;Mocky;will do
1889660;1548267117;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform meanwhile found it : http://trilema.com/2009/visurat-s-a-dat-de-goala/ (notable for saying "yesterday at [film festival] i saw two films. one was "the happiest girl in the world" and i found myself in there. i laughed, i felt a bitter taste in the mouth, and i realised i might end up like that", and then FAILING to make the connection with http://trilema.com/2017/alexandru-osvald-pastorel-teodoreanu/#footnote_17
1889661;1548267118;mircea_popescu;_75674 when mocked for it.)
1889662;1548267152;mircea_popescu;just, you know, illiterate simpletons in no sense romanian, because you can't be romanian without ready access to cultural reference, the entire nation exists of naught else.
1889663;1548267264;mircea_popescu;there was a whole bunch of these, incidentally, http://trilema.com/2010/extemporal-la-venerologie/ tells the story of some other rando "blogger" (they seriously went about pompously http://trilema.com/2011/cred-ca-pe-alocuri-se-exagereaza/#selection-67.167-67.602 -ing all over the place ) who failed to make the distinction between contraception and venereal disease prevention, and then "got upset" when mocked for it.
1889664;1548267316;mircea_popescu;"getting upset" is this specific behaviour, a la : http://trilema.com/2009/krossfire-sau-vlad-stoiculescu/#comment-127467 (practically a sort of sand-meet-head, i guess).
1889665;1548267536;BingoBoingo;In clarifications, the Tres Cruces rally is to support other president, other Vzla president is in Caracas doing color revolution
1889666;1548267663;mircea_popescu;how many of these are there ?
1889667;1548268003;BingoBoingo;Apparently Trump's cabinet has picked one
1889668;1548268049;BingoBoingo;Se llama Guaidó
1889669;1548268107;BingoBoingo;I'm seeing photos of freeways full of people in Caracas, but it is hard to tell how many kilos of dry noodles they are getting for showing up
1889670;1548268158;mircea_popescu;well, either it turns lulzy or fizzly.
1889671;1548268206;BingoBoingo;Either way, those noodles came from somewhere
1889672;1548268233;mircea_popescu;china, lol.
1889673;1548268302;BingoBoingo;lol
1889674;1548269221;BingoBoingo;And in old stories, http://qntra.net/2015/08/hearns-blacklist-shenanigans/#comment-123318
1889675;1548269303;mircea_popescu;"TOR is a software that with a utter enormous vivid concealed allows you to latibulize from prying eyes the exemplary shooting go together you do and did on the Internet." ?!
1889676;1548269351;mircea_popescu;lol, what is hidden internet. congrats to the orcs!
1889677;1548269635;BingoBoingo;I promise, all I did was kill the links. Yes its spam, but lulzy.
1889678;1548269698;mircea_popescu;i can see that word making a republican career. "buncha latibulizers!!!"
1889679;1548269727;BingoBoingo;Indeed
1889680;1548270531;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/01/usg-color-revolution-goes-live-in-venezuela/ << Qntra -- USG Color Revolution Goes Live In Venezuela
1889681;1548270727;BingoBoingo;Anyways, the recent history of Vzla is informative with respect to the US's future, competing with Argentina. As recently as the 1990's Vzla was a rich Germany. Chavez cut it down into a starving Ukraine. Maduro heard the people asking for more socialism and is giving them exactly what they want. Now USG is set to make a Somalia.
1889682;1548270749;*;asciilifeform reads 'vzla' , immediately thinks 'vuvuzela'
1889683;1548270771;mircea_popescu;seems about right
1889684;1548271002;BingoBoingo;Anyways middle class housing in uruguay means maybe a garage. In Vzla middle class housing means a six car garage. The country gets poorer, but can't eat garage.
1889685;1548271032;BingoBoingo;80s-90s Vzla had the money to build what they saw n the VHS tapes
1889686;1548271056;mircea_popescu;qatar smoking nervously in a corner.
1889687;1548271071;mircea_popescu;this is their exact future, decade or two down the road, now that they've blown their chance.
1889688;1548271078;asciilifeform;how does 'poor with petro' work anyway
1889689;1548271092;mircea_popescu;like so : impudent while it flows and confused when it stops.
1889690;1548271099;asciilifeform;aah
1889691;1548271100;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Surprisingly quickly. Not all Petro is equal as Vzla shows
1889692;1548271123;BingoBoingo;Every petrol has a skillset it needs to be brought to market.
1889693;1548271181;BingoBoingo;Chavez and Canadian oil sands took Vzla's skill reservoir
1889694;1548271202;BingoBoingo;But, now Canada loses money on the oil sand anyway
1889695;1548271357;asciilifeform;ye olde 'petrostans are macroscale version of bankrupt lottery winner derp' hypothesis
1889696;1548271364;asciilifeform;seems to fit.
1889697;1548271369;mircea_popescu;rather.
1889698;1548271679;BingoBoingo;Anyways, CNN is hearing "Sí, se puede" in chants and translating it to "Yes we can". I am hearing "Si se puede" more of an "if he can..."
1889699;1548271735;mircea_popescu;hahaha
1889700;1548271754;mircea_popescu;right, si is ambiguously yes and if, therefore "if it's permissible" is perfectly valid translation.
1889701;1548271778;BingoBoingo;Seriously, conjugation! Sí nos podemos, no fucking WE in that chant
1889702;1548271806;mircea_popescu;poor usg.blue with its inept http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-09#1767545 "experts"
1889703;1548271806;a111;Logged on 2018-01-09 17:18 mircea_popescu: but what do i know, i dun have fifty +1/+1 green beret cultural experts on the ground to write me briefs.
1889704;1548271877;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you have any fucking idea what the context was for http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-11#790980 anymore ?
1889705;1548271877;a111;Logged on 2014-08-11 22:59 BingoBoingo: godovo: http://trilema.com/2009/visurat-s-a-dat-de-goala/
1889706;1548271921;BingoBoingo;I'll have to dig
1889707;1548271954;*;BingoBoingo going to be digging anyways because the CNN "yes we can"-ism is begging for a blog post
1889708;1548273354;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo honestly i'd expect the least ambiguous rendering of "yes we can" would be "si que podemos!"
1889709;1548273391;mircea_popescu;no explicit we either, but at least puts all the accents in the intended places, it's just how you communicate the notion in spanish.
1889710;1548273568;BingoBoingo;TBF, when Obama got stood up in the "Yes, we can" meme in English, I doubt anyone meant "yes we can" to actually that instead of "Yes he can", but English has been broken for a while
1889711;1548273701;mircea_popescu;i thought it was more a case of "yes we can [push affirmative action victim from http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-19#761494 sadness to presidency]"
1889712;1548273701;a111;Logged on 2014-07-19 03:16 mircea_popescu: so, this poor unfortunate soul found herself living her parent's dream : an assistant professor! at the prestigious ubb no less!
1889713;1548273779;mircea_popescu;that poor guy, incidentally. first they told him he can be university professor! and he believed. and, unending misery, can barely read, yet has to "teach" constitutional law.
1889714;1548273827;mircea_popescu;then they told him he can be president! and he believed. and... unending http://qntra.net/2015/11/obama-at-asean-money-overwhelms-ideas/ misery, cockpuppet for every passing putin.
1889715;1548273860;mircea_popescu;stupidity characteristically doesn't learn from others' personal history -- but if there ever was an example of why the bootblack ~does NOT~ want to raise above his crepidam...
1889716;1548274139;BingoBoingo;So it appears
1889717;1548274442;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile in local news apparently they don't want people using the doors to congress as an improvised soccer goal anymore  https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/-que-cosas-ya-no-se-pueden-hacer-alrededor-del-palacio-legislativo-segun-una-nueva-resolucion--2019123142549
1889718;1548277436;feedbot;http://thewhet.net/2019/01/the-roadblock/ << The Whet -- The Roadblock
1889719;1548278309;BingoBoingo;Is that Chimichurri Raptorson in the Trilema header today?
1889720;1548278346;Mocky;being chucked into the air?
1889721;1548278473;BingoBoingo;Looks more like learning to fly by being made to fly.
1889722;1548278812;hanbot;duck chucking's a pleasant pastime, and does seem to encourage interest in flight!
1889723;1548278837;BingoBoingo;Well the kid has to learn sometime
1889724;1548278852;hanbot;you know?
1889725;1548279531;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in thread necromancy -- the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-16#1863154 + http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-11#1860677 item gets 5 hrs on 1 charge if light is enabled, 7 if ambient light only ( for nao, runs ancient gentoo )
1889726;1548279531;a111;Logged on 2018-10-16 00:19 asciilifeform will try again with 'samsung n150' box, with sadder kbd, but same chipset, and reportedly fitting
1889727;1548279531;a111;Logged on 2018-10-11 17:08 asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf i recently found that lcd panel made by (defunkt) 'pixelqi co', pq3qi-01 , is still sold by chinese ( i have nfi if clones, or old stock ), ~100 $ ea; the thing toggles from 1024x600 colour/backlit into a 3072x600 greyscale reflector thing, worx with various lappies ( sadly not x60, it's a 16:9 )
1889728;1548279554;asciilifeform;( with minimal cpu load, i.e. emacs )
1889729;1548280830;BingoBoingo;Anyways, US-Vzla diplomatic relations have been cut. USG.BLUE has 72 hours to get out.
1889730;1548281218;asciilifeform;ukrazuela.
1889731;1548281302;*;BingoBoingo still waiting to see about that aircraft carrier
1889732;1548281428;asciilifeform;blue out, red in, lol
1889733;1548281538;*;BingoBoingo has been explaining to people wishing for "humanitarian intervention" that they need to be very careful what they wish for
1889734;1548284038;trinque;these people never heard of iraq?
1889735;1548284389;BingoBoingo;Apparently Saddam was a different kind of bad man.
1889736;1548284420;BingoBoingo;Even though both are charismatic fellows rich in moustache.
1889737;1548286140;trinque;and rich in oil
1889738;1548289826;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo Mocky yeah lol
1889739;1548290132;mircea_popescu;keks of all time, the imaginary "civil society" is gonna benefit from ustardation.
1889740;1548290227;asciilifeform;possible bonus lol if boat stuck during steam back from syria to ukrazuela on acct of winblowz-nt crash
1889741;1548290670;asciilifeform;meanwhile , measurements : 2.533s is cost of 1 shot of 4096bit m-r (on standard tester iron)
1889742;1548290762;asciilifeform;0.413s for 2048.
1889743;1548290793;mircea_popescu;pretty hefty
1889744;1548290833;asciilifeform;in range of what i estimated earlier, in http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-11#1886357
1889745;1548290833;a111;Logged on 2019-01-11 17:30 asciilifeform: btw per asciilifeform's chalkboard, the physical cost of constanttime m-r is ~equal to that of (2 modexps of the given width) x (number of witnesses) .
1889746;1548290883;asciilifeform;must point out tho that you dun leak anyffin if you terminate the m-rism for X after first failed shot.
1889747;1548290937;asciilifeform;( for n00bz, m-r is montecarlistic for probable-primality but deterministic for compositeness, i.e. if outputs 'composite' then you have in fact a composite )
1889748;1548291062;asciilifeform;naturally each new X is pumped from FG, rather than kochian increment or any such thing
1889749;1548291078;asciilifeform;( as discussed in detail in '17 thrd )
1889750;1548291288;asciilifeform;this means that the gcd pre-litmus is an unambiguous win ( and you also dun leak anyffin if you terminate after X flunks the pre-litmus and you go an' get a new X)
1889751;1548291350;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-09#1885939 << orig thrd re above, for completeness.
1889752;1548291350;a111;Logged on 2019-01-09 00:19 asciilifeform: in other noose, constant-time stein-gcd aint so bad, 1msec (2048bit operands) , 6msec (4096bit) , 21msec (8192bit), 81msec (16384bit)
1889753;1548291739;*;asciilifeform inclined to reject koch's optimization ( which diana_coman retained ) where witness consists of rng(bitness_of_n - 2) , and actually make witness equal to rng(width) mod (n - 2) for full range
1889754;1548291871;asciilifeform;per the proof, it is seemingly harmless ( a carmichael number has 1/4 of the integers as 'liars' ) but what it does is to prevent simple manual test with small numbers , which is imho quite typically kochian
1889755;1548291888;asciilifeform;one oughta be able to feed any valid, per the theorem, witness, up to n - 2 , and get the expected output.
1889756;1548291918;asciilifeform;*up to 1/4
1889757;1548292055;asciilifeform;( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-14#1886898 )
1889758;1548292055;a111;Logged on 2019-01-14 18:32 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-13#1886533 << this is not only troo but is how one tests a m-r ( you feed it known liars & known troofers for a particular N and verify output )
1889759;1548292152;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu et al : plox to lemme know if ~any~ part of this is unclear, cuz this is rather important moving part
1889760;1548292260;asciilifeform;closest thing there is to a 'jesus bolt' in the thing, arguably.
1889761;1548292347;asciilifeform;when we sit the thing down on a microcontroller with mask rom, or some other similar iron, it will be important to be able to spot-check the m-r and determine that for some input known only to you, it actually behaves as m-r.
1889762;1548292363;asciilifeform;( without having to use a microscope or whatnot )
1889763;1548292470;asciilifeform;this type of test is impossible on systems where m-r eats witness straight from rng, without possibility to override by hand.
1889764;1548293614;*;asciilifeform will bbl,meat
1889765;1548296563;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it is counterintuitively actually better to test with smaller integers than larger ones.
1889766;1548296760;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in that can check result with pen ? or canya think of some other reason..?
1889767;1548296890;asciilifeform;afaik density of 'liars' is uniform across numberline.
1889768;1548297344;mircea_popescu;specifically because density is uniform, if you ~only~ check say 64 bit numbers as witnesses (ie, nothing smaller than 2^63) there's a set of composites < certain limit that'll pass ; whereas if you only check 1-63 bit numbers (so the same ~number~ of numbers) there's a set of composites that'll pass, but they're LARGER than the same limit.
1889769;1548297451;mircea_popescu;much like in the case of usual gcd -- checking a random number for divisibility with 2 provides a much larger benefit (eliminates 50% of candiates) than checking a random number for divisibility with 15,485,863, which only eliminates 0.000% of candidates.
1889770;1548297529;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's that bach conjecture thing.
1889771;1548297533;mircea_popescu;which is also why there exists such a thing as m-r witness sets, ie sets of witnesses guaranteed to not be false up to a certain value of candidates
1889772;1548297538;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform right.
1889773;1548297613;asciilifeform;in so far as anyone can tell, it's troo, and then 64bit witnesses suffice for 4096bit candidates. but not only relies on riemann, but dun win anyffin in ffa, where very small and very large number eat same cpu.
1889774;1548297645;asciilifeform;( would, if riemann were proven, conserve rng bits, tho , could use fewer of'em )
1889775;1548297794;asciilifeform;incidentally, m-r liars seem to be closed under multiplication, but i have not proven.
1889776;1548297806;mircea_popescu;that'd afaik be a useful result.
1889777;1548297812;asciilifeform;ikr?
1889778;1548297815;mircea_popescu;yes.
1889779;1548297843;asciilifeform;potentially could have cryptoism based on such a thing, if it were in fact troo
1889780;1548297865;mircea_popescu;yes, because not readily computable the reverse, "which number are these liars for"
1889781;1548297875;asciilifeform;( or even a proofofwork func )
1889782;1548297883;asciilifeform;aha
1889783;1548299766;feedbot;http://bingology.net/2019/01/24/terminal-pantsuit-discourse-no-there-is-no-we-in-si-se-puede/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Terminal Pantsuit Discourse: No, There is No "We" In "Si se puede"
1889784;1548299779;BingoBoingo;^ This is getting follow up later
1889785;1548300597;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo "He/She/You can == Puede" << no you belongs there.
1889786;1548300686;mircea_popescu;also it's not Hondoras, it's Honduras
1889787;1548300718;mircea_popescu;nor is there such a thing as Venezuala. did you get your vowels knotted up there ?
1889788;1548301052;BingoBoingo;Vowels indeed iffy today
1889789;1548316274;feedbot;http://thewhet.net/2019/01/guts-ive-lost/ << The Whet -- Guts I've Lost
1889790;1548341005;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/01/airstrip-one-courts-lost-their-it-and-claim-no-cyberattack/ << Qntra -- Airstrip One: Courts Lost Their IT And Claim "No Cyberattack"
1889791;1548342580;mircea_popescu;hanbot bwahaha, THEY GUTTED YOU LIKE A FISH!!!
1889792;1548342636;*;BingoBoingo has never laproscopically gutted a fish
1889793;1548342687;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/01/foreign-language-course-offerings-dropped-5-3-percent-in-3-years-at-us-universities-while-enrollment-fell-9-2-percent/ << Qntra -- Foreign Language Course Offerings Dropped 5.3 Percent In 3 Years At US Universities While Enrollment Fell 9.2 Percent
1889794;1548342762;BingoBoingo;^ For the same mouth different messages out of each side files
1889795;1548342873;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo if they progress to no it also, it'll be quite the gain for the femstate. in the vein of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-18#1888200 of course, which just happens to be a perfect fit for them.
1889796;1548342873;a111;Logged on 2019-01-18 17:04 mircea_popescu: but anyway, in the us the strictly only avenue left to the dnc is to "pretend" to "ignore". if they engage they get crushed. the party's already gone as a going concern, for which reason : the only way an imaginary party can continue its imagined hold on worldly things is through "ignoring" them.
1889797;1548343145;BingoBoingo;Well, overnight alt-President invited the US Embassy garrison to remain over Maduro's expulsion order
1889798;1548343273;mircea_popescu;haha, which do they do ?
1889799;1548343276;BingoBoingo;Uruguay's official line on the situation so far is "We're fucking Uruguay, this is out of our weight class" though individual politician statements take every possible position.
1889800;1548343289;mircea_popescu;because they found the perfect thing to hang tyhem over, maduro can just arrest them and bye-bye posturing.
1889801;1548343309;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I imagine they remain so the bombs can fly after Maduro sends the moving trucks
1889802;1548343333;mircea_popescu;0 bombs fly roflmao, what, so there can be a case of us ambassador hung in bolivar square ?
1889803;1548343368;mircea_popescu;there's no option here : if they stay, maduro arrests them, "hostage situation" doesn't really wash, us stuck spending next 10 years "negotiating" with a maduro it put in a better position than kim ever was.
1889804;1548343388;BingoBoingo;Well if no bombs fly how does aircraft carrier sink?
1889805;1548343393;mircea_popescu;if they leave, derpy imaginary president has to explain it. experience shows he WILL, and the "followers" WILL swallow whatever he says.
1889806;1548343403;mircea_popescu;so they leave.
1889807;1548343432;mircea_popescu;granted if they don't leave and maduro doesn't put them in ice, the situation's resolved the other way.
1889808;1548343863;BingoBoingo;Maybe Pence at all saw how well destablilizing the neighorhood works for Israel?
1889809;1548344143;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you ever read http://trilema.com/2012/evolutia-onlinautului/ incidentally ? i suspect i should translate it, precisely explains (in a SEVEN year vintage piece) the problem with eg naggum's efforts, and other fundamental things.
1889810;1548344165;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: have not read. loox interesting.
1889811;1548344183;mircea_popescu;i shall trnaslate.
1889812;1548345456;mircea_popescu;thinking about it (since i have to, translation oblige), http://trilema.com/2016/the-chosen/ is probably the one claim to fame of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-23#1889542 item.
1889813;1548345456;a111;Logged on 2019-01-23 02:10 asciilifeform: wonder what happened to subj d00d
1889814;1548348999;asciilifeform;!Q later tell mod6 your rk is successfully redisked and running, see instrs. in #p.
1889815;1548348999;lobbesbot;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1889816;1548349928;mircea_popescu;in other mildly concerning news, i notice that there's a header-article relation developing. if there's naked girls ima pen a frisky article, if there's a serious doctoral mug ima pen a serios theoretic piece, yet i swear i have no idea at the onset (the box where i put things in dun load the header, for one). it's sheer coincidence, yet it seems to have held for the past 3 or 4 pieces!
1889817;1548349964;asciilifeform;headerharuspicy!11
1889818;1548350215;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-24#1889803 << rerun of iran, eh
1889819;1548350215;a111;Logged on 2019-01-24 15:22 mircea_popescu: there's no option here : if they stay, maduro arrests them, "hostage situation" doesn't really wash, us stuck spending next 10 years "negotiating" with a maduro it put in a better position than kim ever was.
1889820;1548350276;mircea_popescu;just aboot.
1889821;1548350852;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/the-golden-fleece/ << Trilema -- The Golden Fleece
1889822;1548350939;asciilifeform;oh hey
1889823;1548352005;BingoBoingo;Wank, but that picture is so good http://archive.is/hG8vN (Yes, pichis sleep sheltered against the major state bank)
1889824;1548352606;mircea_popescu;fucking argentina was full of that crap also.
1889825;1548352736;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in other trilema filters, http://veritasteliberabit.com/
1889826;1548353330;BingoBoingo;Sweet
1889827;1548354636;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/01/another-round-of-bmc-exploits-hit-x86-64-and-ibm-openpower-servers/ << Qntra -- Another Round Of BMC Exploits Hit X86-64 And IBM OpenPOWER Servers
1889828;1548377416;mod6;asciilifeform, BingoBoingo : Thanks!
1889829;1548377425;asciilifeform;mod6: np
1889830;1548377454;asciilifeform;mod6: plox to lemme know asap if you observe anyffin out of the ordinary on yer rk.
1889831;1548377471;mod6;Will do.  So far working great.
1889832;1548377490;mod6;Copied over my old data, stood apache back up, etc.
1889833;1548383252;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in sneak-previews: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/yzrXh/?raw=true << draft of m-r .
1889834;1548383372;asciilifeform;^ ftr, the added cost of the piecewise-defined (correct for all possible inputs of N and Witness) , vs. yesterday's 'naked' variant, is <0.001s (on std test iron.)
1889835;1548386409;*;asciilifeform fixed the obv. mistakes
1889836;1548431104;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/01/oxford-university-suspends-donor-relationship-with-huawei/ << Qntra -- Oxford University Suspends "Donor Relationship" With Huawei
1889837;1548431647;mircea_popescu;what's oxford need technology for anyway.
1889838;1548431920;BingoBoingo;Well, not much since they gave up their wall technology
1889839;1548432029;mircea_popescu;they got that world-famous logician anyways, VIRTUAL WALL
1889840;1548433179;BingoBoingo;Well, that's Nancy Pantsuit's latest failure to engage Trump in the shutdown. Exactly the sum Trump wants to start walling, but restricted to more Boeing camera/drone/robodog wank in the tradition of Dubya
1889841;1548433426;mircea_popescu;1800s level capitol hill tech.
1889842;1548433475;BingoBoingo;Indeed
1889843;1548435106;asciilifeform;recall that huawei was usg.fatwa'd for konsoomer pnoje also ( presumably logic is, 'ohnoez, even tards no longer want to buy ipnoje with 0 buttons and $2k price -- wat do? let's try banning all competition' )
1889844;1548435196;mircea_popescu;it'll be a pretty funny decade, ustards crowding retarddit to coordinate wikitardia articles about who's the "real" president of the most serene republic &c
1889845;1548435272;asciilifeform;iirc they already tried ~that~ ( gavin ? )
1889846;1548435315;mircea_popescu;when did failure discourage a group of morons.
1889847;1548435355;asciilifeform;tru. who, incidentally, is the current gavin? i admit, lost track, dun follow subj actively
1889848;1548435479;mircea_popescu;seems to be unnamed, http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-24#1889797
1889849;1548435479;a111;Logged on 2019-01-24 15:19 BingoBoingo: Well, overnight alt-President invited the US Embassy garrison to remain over Maduro's expulsion order
1889850;1548435503;*;mircea_popescu doesn't specifically care, pantsuit "names" are entirely inconsequential anyway.
1889851;1548435646;*;asciilifeform tuned out of subj when realized that can't point to a distinguishing algo between gavin, hearn, wright, et al -- they're idempotent , like electron..
1889852;1548435685;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform oh, but wait, in rokeks did you ever see http://trilema.com/2011/romania-cea-de-basm-partea-i/ ?
1889853;1548435728;asciilifeform;not seen, but iirc mircea_popescu actually mentioned this item elsewhere
1889854;1548435738;asciilifeform;!#s eminescu
1889855;1548435738;a111;55 results for "eminescu", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=eminescu
1889856;1548435743;mircea_popescu;(romanian academy published a book in which it included the fraud complaint i issued against their at the time sitting head as "found on the Internet", an expression at the time famous in ro for being used by various derps)
1889857;1548435810;asciilifeform;this is almost as hilarious as the 'mathematical' conferences that happily ate perl-generated 'paper' etc
1889858;1548435838;mircea_popescu;ie, mostly tv stations perceived blogs as competition, but ~because they actually were~ competition, and winning, couldn't omit stealing their conent. and so the expression "found on the Internet" was invented to avoid saying "we suck, go read this-dood.com instead"
1889859;1548435852;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: these folx so stupid they dun even know how to mit-phuctor ??
1889860;1548435862;mircea_popescu;which puts us in the following amusing relation : the romanian academy perceived that not only i'm the competition... but have the upper hand.
1889861;1548435870;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform too inept dood, what. they can't do shit.
1889862;1548435947;mircea_popescu;in any case, in 2011, as in 2001, as in 2021 i can say "academia romana keks" or http://trilema.com/2011/stimata-academie/ whatever ; but they can't say "trilema.com", because holy shit.
1889863;1548435963;mircea_popescu;so now... let's go ban huawei top keks, make america alone again!
1889864;1548436042;mircea_popescu;it started like that, you realise. back in the early days of the confederacy, the us president couldn't on his own merit summon enough credit in europe to afford a meal at a decent restaurant. if the local dukes of dorset didn't invite them to their table, they'd eat poached eggs brought from home on the side of the road.
1889865;1548436109;asciilifeform;well-documented (e.g. jefferson lost his shirt )
1889866;1548436316;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: did the fraud complaint result in anyffin but the pictured lulgem?
1889867;1548436393;asciilifeform;( how does copyrasty work in europistan anyway... does it actually make for a claim, or do you gotta be disney, like in usa..? )
1889868;1548436899;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in 'holy fuck, i thought we hit rock bottom but then heard a knock from below' lulz, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mcleod/index.html << 'professor of engineering' tries to argue in favour of old-fashioned , carmichaelizable primality litmus ~instead~ of m-r, on acct of the 'rarity of carmichael #s' .
1889869;1548436984;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform can't copyright legal proceedings, they're public.
1889870;1548437022;mircea_popescu;(i mean, i realise in the us they aren't, but w/e, nobody really gives a shit about retardistan)
1889871;1548437025;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i meant re the orig stolen trilema piece
1889872;1548437036;mircea_popescu;but the orig piece is precisely that, i published the complaint.
1889873;1548437058;asciilifeform;hm i must be thick.. what was the orig complaint about
1889874;1548437071;mircea_popescu;so did they -- went in 2nd, right AFTER the sitting ro president's salutation and right above what they judged as the top economiasm.
1889875;1548437148;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform fraud. http://trilema.com/2009/denunt-penal-in-contra-lui-eugen-simion/
1889876;1548437232;asciilifeform;a++ iron pen btw
1889877;1548437236;mircea_popescu;ikr ?
1889878;1548437274;*;asciilifeform has a very similar ancestral one, but not much of a calligraphist
1889879;1548437333;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: so, did 'procuror sef' ever answer ?
1889880;1548437348;mircea_popescu;certainly. http://trilema.com/2009/denunt-penal-in-contra-lui-eugen-simion-raspunsul-dna/
1889881;1548437418;asciilifeform;lol form letter ?
1889882;1548437475;mircea_popescu;well what was he going to write me perfumed billets doux ?
1889883;1548437504;mircea_popescu;anyway, item did what such items do, in the us too : it blew a hole in the party-that-the-guy-was-fronting's skirts, and he retired.
1889884;1548437524;asciilifeform;neato.
1889885;1548437596;mircea_popescu;anyway, all these were strictly unthinkables in the place and time.
1889886;1548437659;mircea_popescu;99.99x% of all those who interacted with the object online had never before perceived the functioning of these mechanisms to any degree. romania has ~0 civic education in the school system and so on. even the modicum of "teach dork to write a formal application" or w/e they used to do in home ec was abandoned.
1889887;1548437696;mircea_popescu;but as a factual matter, before us-ization ro had a very good legal system ; much like 80 years prior, before sovietization.
1889888;1548437842;asciilifeform;iirc mircea_popescu had a piece where 'lasted just long enuff to show what freedom smelled like' or how did it go
1889889;1548437874;mircea_popescu;possibru. i dun recall right off...
1889890;1548438203;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the abstract claim, "one random round of fermat provides same error probability as 32 rounds of m-r" is pretty striking.
1889891;1548438336;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it aint even wrong, as such. simply ignores fact that it'll always say 'prime' when eats a carmichael.
1889892;1548438354;mircea_popescu;is this published 2018 ?
1889893;1548438361;asciilifeform;loox like
1889894;1548438378;mircea_popescu;and it even begins with the usual pantsuit signature, "as an X", huh.
1889895;1548438382;asciilifeform;aaaha
1889896;1548438391;asciilifeform;mirrored & posted for entomological record.
1889897;1548438430;mircea_popescu;well, so now we know what to do should robert d mcleod aka robert.mcleod@umanitoba.ca show up.
1889898;1548438453;asciilifeform;lolyes
1889899;1548438639;asciilifeform;i thought the notion being pushed is hilarious tho. 'who cares if yer litmus doesn't work on 561, it aint like you ever need to verify whether 561 is prime' etc
1889900;1548438643;mircea_popescu;looking into the intro/outro derpitudes, it looks like the nobus-encryption afficionados in usg.blue that survived the clinton era are looking to build "scientific basis" for ulterior nonsense.
1889901;1548438661;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lotsa examples of these zombies, e.g.,
1889902;1548438663;mircea_popescu;ie, "mathematicians know and computer dorks needn't worry" bla bla.
1889903;1548438664;asciilifeform;!#s boneh
1889904;1548438665;a111;41 results for "boneh", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=boneh
1889905;1548438675;asciilifeform;or for that matter the current husk of djb.
1889906;1548438716;mircea_popescu;this guy is fucking terrible, where's this whole crop of new model wykham professors of logic spawn from anwyays ?
1889907;1548438731;asciilifeform;printing press, where
1889908;1548438847;asciilifeform;'i have maffs phd, where do i go to maffs for moneys' 'hey we have this here opening... all you gotta do is shill for quantum-resistant philosopher's stones with boneh' 'where do i sign' etc
1889909;1548438867;mircea_popescu;nevermind kids never being taught how to write a fucking legal document in school. how about they be taught HOW NOT TO BRING FEMININE ARGUMENTS.
1889910;1548438902;asciilifeform;this here aint even 'feminine', closer to... prikokine
1889911;1548438941;mircea_popescu;that's what it means, exactly.
1889912;1548439030;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2017/the-boundless-burden/#selection-139.48-139.184 which is to say "since i'm gonna get pinned down and have a parasite injected ~ANYWAY~, might as well blablablblabla" and so on.
1889913;1548439068;asciilifeform;characteristically, even ~these~ used to be moar interesting, imho -- back when the breakage was at least sometimes subtle
1889914;1548439082;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-15#1670800 as it were
1889915;1548439082;a111;Logged on 2017-06-15 18:26 mircea_popescu: in the end the question comes down to, do you feel like a man, or do you feel like a woman ? just don't lie to me or lie to me prettily ?
1889916;1548440982;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-10#1015263
1889917;1548440982;a111;Logged on 2015-02-10 21:16 beetcoin: bitcoin is not a democracy? what is it then? an oligarchy?
1889918;1548440985;mircea_popescu;!!up beetcoin
1889919;1548440986;deedbot;beetcoin voiced for 30 minutes.
1889920;1548440994;mircea_popescu;what have you learned in the intervening half decade then ?
1889921;1548441735;beetcoin;well, in 2017 we saw that the governance model was resistant to miners signalling for a doubling of max block weight
1889922;1548441834;beetcoin;i was never a big-blocker, idk if being perceived that way was the origin of our dispute in 2015
1889923;1548441899;beetcoin;but it's even clearer now that the purpose of governance is to optimize for trustlessness
1889924;1548442020;asciilifeform;i cannot resist to bite -- beetcoin , wtf is 'trustlessness' ?
1889925;1548442124;beetcoin;Bitcoin having the property of trustlessness means that you may use it without trusting anyone
1889926;1548442174;asciilifeform;how's this work ? built own comp, wrote own client... ?
1889927;1548442237;beetcoin;you may do that
1889928;1548442253;asciilifeform;but didja ?
1889929;1548442313;mircea_popescu;you seriously learned nothing in five years ?
1889930;1548442331;mircea_popescu;does deliberate, stubborn stupidity pay something, somewhere ? or is it just the internal "satisfaction" ?
1889931;1548442339;beetcoin;hahaha
1889932;1548442348;beetcoin;what is the problem?
1889933;1548442378;mircea_popescu;no problem, i suppose for as long as they keep feeding you, you'll keep vegetating in yourself.
1889934;1548442535;beetcoin;asciilifeform, of course we have to trust that our CPU isn't backdoored unless we start our own fabrication facility. Bitcoin isn't perfectly trustless because of that, i'm just saying it should be the goal of governance
1889935;1548442686;asciilifeform;beetcoin: consider, the 'bitcoin komyooniti' had full decade nao to remove the 'wtf do these cpp turds even DO in all possible boundary conditions' from the list of unknowns. and did they ?
1889936;1548444247;diana_coman;this "trustless" echoes some students' insistence that it's "better to not have to trust someone" - I couldn't quite get to the root of it
1889937;1548444614;asciilifeform;diana_coman: by same token, a perpetuum mobile is also 'better' engine, dun need to fuel it. the 1 problem is that where do you get one.
1889938;1548444618;diana_coman;perhaps a combination of "I'd much rather NOT have this responsibility so passing it to some abstract group/network HAS to be great" and "all people are ~same and X is a crook therefore all people are crooks therefore can't trust someone"
1889939;1548444685;asciilifeform;in re 'you may do that', what comes to mind is http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706534
1889940;1548444685;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 19:59 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706369 << how about focusing on your own fucking problems! clean up that pizza wrapper! cook for fucking once. go out and walk that misfortunate dog of yours. instead of pretending to "solve" the problems of distant others for the transparent reason that you can avoid having to confront not having done ANYTHING in a whole decade this way.
1889941;1548444745;asciilifeform;folx wanking over hypothetical 'moar trustless' protocols etc. while happily snarfing up openssl , cpp, etc., are a peculiarly anglotardian sort of head-stander
1889942;1548444796;asciilifeform;( naggum also had a thing re 'for fucks sake clean up the kitchen' )
1889943;1548444804;diana_coman;certainly, but that was precisely what they kept "avoiding" at all costs; e.g. http://ossasepia.com/2018/12/10/my-talk-of-bitcoin-at-reading-uni/#selection-213.0-213.61 and their strongly-dearly held idea that "contracts can't be broken" pretty much
1889944;1548444907;asciilifeform;mostly unrelatedly -- while diana_coman is awake -- diana_coman can you think of why vanstone et al give n - 2 upper bound for m-r witness ? cuz by theorem, it's good through n - 1
1889945;1548444917;diana_coman;well yes; but I was struck by why this particular thing to latch on; perhaps "easiest" and the approved anti-whatever or something but anyways
1889946;1548444923;asciilifeform;( and in fact all that's req'd of witness is that it be coprime with n )
1889947;1548445063;diana_coman;hm, not off the top of my head
1889948;1548445128;asciilifeform;seems like ~50% of the various lit blindly copies the n - 2 thing , also
1889949;1548445134;asciilifeform;for no, afaik, particular reason.
1889950;1548445143;diana_coman;asciilifeform, can you point me exactly to what you mean re n-2?
1889951;1548445174;asciilifeform;1s
1889952;1548445178;diana_coman;i.e. which exact para in the book or wherever are you puzzled about
1889953;1548445243;asciilifeform;vanstone sect 4.24 (p. 139 in my copy )
1889954;1548445256;asciilifeform;'choose a random integer a , 2 <= a <= n - 2'
1889955;1548445259;diana_coman;right, I'm looking at it
1889956;1548445345;asciilifeform;cormen & rivest gives the proper , per the theorem, upper bound of n - 1
1889957;1548445362;asciilifeform;pediwik -- copies vanstone's
1889958;1548445385;asciilifeform;koch , otoh, does other thing entirely, trims the bitness to be below N's
1889959;1548445447;mircea_popescu;diana_coman i suspect you're exactly on point.
1889960;1548445463;mircea_popescu;in the same vein, changing diapers is really something the aliens should do.
1889961;1548445475;mircea_popescu;it sounds stupid until you realise that's 100% what's meant by "#metoo"
1889962;1548445666;BingoBoingo;In other news, it looks like Trump agrees with OMB on the furlough thing per http://qntra.net/2019/01/trump-cancels-pantsuit-vacation-party/ Agreeing to turn the government back on for 3 weeks and then declaring emergency
1889963;1548445690;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: iirc carter's 'declared emergency' was never Officially undeclared
1889964;1548445698;BingoBoingo;Emergency meaning, in the headlines wall and 30 days after three weeks furloughs
1889965;1548445704;mircea_popescu;yeah, wasn't the us in state of emergency since the 70s ?
1889966;1548445708;asciilifeform;aha!
1889967;1548445710;BingoBoingo;Details
1889968;1548445714;mircea_popescu;lol
1889969;1548445717;asciilifeform;the bit got stuck on.
1889970;1548445725;mircea_popescu;gotta shake the box
1889971;1548445755;BingoBoingo;Well, you know how the alarm gets stuck on so you gotta buy another while the first is wailing? Government of Lawls not men?
1889972;1548445771;diana_coman;asciilifeform, I even remember I did go with pen and paper precisely through this but I'd need to rummage through the old papers to find it again, ugh
1889973;1548445788;asciilifeform;diana_coman: plox to post if you turn it up.
1889974;1548445814;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i went through the algo, to bake ffaistic proof of correctness, and get n - 1.
1889975;1548445925;BingoBoingo;Anyways after seeing Vzla go indeterminate following riots over who can deliver a richer basket of dry noodles... investigation reveals A+++ crowd control equipment can can sourced locally
1889976;1548445950;mircea_popescu;in other unrelated luls, in the country apparently named "el salvador" there exists a town called "la libertad".
1889977;1548445954;mircea_popescu;abstraction incarnate.
1889978;1548445991;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/trilema-images-no-longer-showing/ << Trilema -- Trilema images no longer showing ?
1889979;1548446075;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the tradition is to send img hotlinkers goatse, but this also a++
1889980;1548446135;mircea_popescu;if anyone's hindered by teh item in their legitimate extersions lemme know.
1889981;1548446372;*;asciilifeform 's www, not being superstar like trilema, serves up maybe 20-30GB (incl. to spamcrawlers) on a heavy day, so never bothered
1889982;1548446428;mircea_popescu;you also don't have naked women. but fuck me if im going to start budgeting my visuals now.
1889983;1548446517;asciilifeform;i've very little photo at all ( on typical day, ~2GB total movement )
1889984;1548446665;*;asciilifeform so far even avoided bitmapped maffs, in the vein of e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-20#1888458
1889985;1548446665;a111;Logged on 2019-01-20 15:31 feedbot: http://bvt-trace.net/2019/01/experiment-n-way-split-karatsuba/ << bvt's backtrace -- Experiment: N-Way Split Karatsuba
1889986;1548446687;mircea_popescu;over a lifetime of mathing those can in fact end up quite heavy
1889987;1548446703;asciilifeform;they're imho ugly as sin too
1889988;1548446707;asciilifeform;i dunlike bitmapped maffs.
1889989;1548446755;asciilifeform;all i've got in re those is a few de-pdf'd artifacts, e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-04#1884500 etc
1889990;1548446755;a111;Logged on 2019-01-04 18:30 asciilifeform: aand nao for an archaeo-sumthing compleeetely different : http://www.loper-os.org/pub/daykin/index.html
1889991;1548446814;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/barrett/index.html , and coupla others.
1889992;1548446848;*;asciilifeform uses these strictly in 'за что купил за то и продаю' situations
1889993;1548446871;mircea_popescu;aaanyway, i dunno if specifically should or shouldn't be included in mp-wp, but it's certainly there published to be coopted if useful.
1889994;1548446911;asciilifeform;could easily come in ultra-handy if sudden burst of heathen traffic.
1889995;1548446953;mircea_popescu;kinda the eternal problem of the count-of-knobs. put it in, now it's in. put it behind a knob, now there's a knob. leave it out, now it's out.
1889996;1548449742;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: dhl claims 'mon jan 28th delivery' for crate.
1889997;1548455015;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: 10-4
1889998;1548466641;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/vice-versa-by-thomas-anstey-guthrie/ << Trilema -- Vice-Versa. By Thomas Anstey Guthrie.
1889999;1548466911;shinohai;That spider header has got to be one of my new faves mircea_popescu
1890000;1548469380;*;BingoBoingo has yet to see an impressive spider down here. No monkeys, no death spiders, two kindly garden snakes, morbidly pale latinos... What kind of South America is this?
1890001;1548469678;shinohai;Seems Venezuela gets all the cool stuff, like Relampago del Catatumbo and La Mancha Negra. Dunno if they have death spiders there either though.
1890002;1548469945;BingoBoingo;Well, they have some pretty cool snake fighting dogs
1890003;1548469980;mod6;tight
1890004;1548469989;BingoBoingo;Good boys, but big mastiff good boys
1890005;1548470008;mod6;ah big dawgs eh
1890006;1548470030;BingoBoingo;Well, in Vzla they got jungle and jungle means anacondas
1890007;1548470068;BingoBoingo;Here in Uruguay we have grass and grass means cows, or rats in locations the cows don't fit
1890008;1548470078;BingoBoingo;But there are indeed cows in city limits
1890009;1548470114;BingoBoingo;Just gotta go to Mujica's hood in Prado to see them
1890010;1548470125;mircea_popescu;https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article13905138.ece/ALTERNATES/s810/0_MAIN-Brexit.jpg << anyone spot the difference >> https://archive.is/wUtKi/b3218d8701549846a8368939a450d4d3950f68b6.jpg ?
1890011;1548470177;*;BingoBoingo has the elements of a Mujica post bouncing around for the new post box
1890012;1548470200;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: One of those trannies can pass for 40
1890013;1548470259;mod6;One is an actual clown, the other just pretends to be.
1890014;1548470261;mircea_popescu;the sudden political implosion & sinkage of airstrip one is pretty lulzy. "henry 7th powers" indeed.
1890015;1548470273;mircea_popescu;don't you need a henry first ?
1890016;1548470308;BingoBoingo;The henry is out next to the rookery
1890017;1548470435;*;BingoBoingo giving an appearance at the Montevideo Open Chess Tournament a thought
1890018;1548470563;mod6;Always a good way to sharpen your skills.
1890019;1548470588;BingoBoingo;As my ELO is well under the 2400 necessary for a fee waiver and free room I suspect the 60 USD would be better allocated to either a Daschund or cheese
1890020;1548470638;mod6;Ask some fellow republicans to play against you from time to time, I bet you'd find some takers.
1890021;1548470705;BingoBoingo;Pretty sure we did that drunk in 2013 and the truffles chick nearly won before disappearing
1890022;1548470745;BingoBoingo;Anyways, I have access to one of Uruguay's top players.
1890023;1548470814;mod6;Ah, that works.  Playing your betters will always improve your skills.
1890024;1548470892;BingoBoingo;http://fuajedrez.com/Noticias/ID/1169/III-Abierto-de-Montevideo-Copa-Marcel-Duchamp-2019 << The thing that got caught in the alerts filter
1890025;1548470912;BingoBoingo;FU ajadrez indeed
1890026;1548471132;BingoBoingo;60 USD registration fee and 16th-30th place offer 50 USD as the prize
1890027;1548471194;BingoBoingo;But for prospecting I expect the Chess crowd would be more lucid than the stoners
1890028;1548471260;BingoBoingo;And no, I have no idea why they named it after urinal guy yet
1890029;1548471490;mod6;I'll stake you if you wanna go and rub-elbows with these guys.
1890030;1548471593;BingoBoingo;Not necessary
1890031;1548471634;mod6;Fair enough, Sir.
1890032;1548471893;BingoBoingo;Registration doesn't close until the 31st or they get enough paid interest. In the interim I'm mulling over the opportunity cost of the tournament versus a pupper versus more cheese.
1890033;1548472172;BingoBoingo;February is the month of prepping for alf and more Rockchip, pupper and cheese can both wait
1890034;1548475264;BingoBoingo;For the raep story files from the Toronto Sun: https://archive.is/fLZBv with the question: What gender does RBG identify as in the hospital?
1890035;1548476264;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in misc. lullies, https://www.jugashvili.com/about/
1890036;1548476433;mircea_popescu;Jacob completed his secondary education in Moscow and thereafter studied at Tbilisi State Academy of Fine Arts from 1992-1994. In 1997 he graduated from the Glasgow School of Art (Painting and Drawing) with a BA. Between 1997 and 2000 Jacob showed at various London venues: the Boundary Gallery, Lamont Gallery, Royal College of Art, London Art Fair, Georgia 2000 exhibition at Cork streets Gallery 27. In 1999 his works were sho
1890037;1548476433;mircea_popescu;wn at Batumi Art Museum (Batumi, Georgia).
1890038;1548476433;mircea_popescu;From 2000-2005 Jacob did almost no painting, working instead in IT business.
1890039;1548476470;mircea_popescu;there's some serious fucking issues in the brainbox of the rettardit generation. why THE FUCK do they think i'll take their pompous bullshit seriously ? what fucking fine arts. it's a dodge.
1890040;1548476515;asciilifeform;sic transit gloria mundi (tm)(r)
1890041;1548476540;mircea_popescu;he's as much an "it specialist" as he is a carpenter, painter or politician. "could do anything!!!" as sure as fucksticks, but irl unskilled and unwilling to work.
1890042;1548476738;asciilifeform;to rework the old saw, the a-students birth the b-students, ..., the c-students birth the redditus.
1890043;1548476794;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: go win those fiddibux, wainot, it's honest dough
1890044;1548476815;asciilifeform;oh wait '60 registration fee' lol
1890045;1548476819;asciilifeform;ffs.
1890046;1548476822;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: AHA
1890047;1548476887;BingoBoingo;1st is 1200 bucks, but I know if Shubert shows up I place lower than Shubert capping my ceiling
1890048;1548476899;asciilifeform;who's shubert ?
1890049;1548476910;asciilifeform;sad great^3grandson of composer ?
1890050;1548476971;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Good fellow who does morning shifts at the barracks.
1890051;1548477019;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i dun think i could resist the temptation . and whoknows, maybe yer schubert eats 1 too many magick pies that day , and loses
1890052;1548477052;BingoBoingo;Reads the big German philosophers and gets disappointed when I fail to turn the freedom trap I offer him with the Pric into a win
1890053;1548477153;*;BingoBoingo however can summon arbitrary numbers of magick pies of arbitrary magick content within ~3-5 days notice... such is Uruguay
1890054;1548477198;asciilifeform;so algo is then obv.: 1) obtain pies 2) treat the kraut 3) win the 1200 ...
1890055;1548477242;BingoBoingo;Mystery is how many other krauts/russians are in the mix.
1890056;1548477277;asciilifeform;from asciilifeform's surface inspection, place wasn't exactly swarming with either. then again mebbe they all were in the fu ajedrez
1890057;1548477316;BingoBoingo;You were the one who picked up a bubuska's Russian at the feria with your ears
1890058;1548477326;asciilifeform;did i, hm
1890059;1548477354;BingoBoingo;Near the torta fritas on la calle La Paz. Far north end of the Feria
1890060;1548477374;*;asciilifeform nao recalls.
1890061;1548477488;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Do you recall a bunch of loud electric taxi chargers near the intendencia? I forget when they showed up, but if you can offer a yes/no that shrinks the window
1890062;1548477616;mircea_popescu;meanwhile trilema hitlogs for today >1gb. this "every tard a netlink" world sucks.
1890063;1548477644;BingoBoingo;4srs
1890064;1548477667;mircea_popescu;there's really no need they should die christened, let alone connected.
1890065;1548477718;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: dun think those were there, then
1890066;1548477727;mircea_popescu;who ?
1890067;1548477768;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: But the future is clearly wifi panchos https://i.redd.it/4vsofdw11lc21.jpg
1890068;1548477787;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/uy/spirt.jpg << oblig ru.uruguay
1890069;1548477805;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: adivino que he's talking about the city hall taxi chargers
1890070;1548477816;hanbot;<mircea_popescu> Jacob completed his secondary education in Moscow and thereafter studied at Tbilisi State Academy << i read "thereafter" as "therefore" and was very confused/amused for a minute
1890071;1548477912;mircea_popescu;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/NzBhm/?raw=true << here's a sampler of "activity".
1890072;1548477930;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ~1G/diem is approx what asciilifeform's www shits out. so loox like yer hotlinker-ratpoison worx!
1890073;1548477942;mircea_popescu;as it happens that's not a bot -- 74.90.192.109 is allocated to some schmuck in yonkers, ny, and the timing delays clearly indicate what these fucktards do : RETRY.
1890074;1548477964;mircea_popescu;i shudder to think how many times the average toaster is rebooted on an average week of its average life in the average yonkers household.
1890075;1548477987;mircea_popescu;guy prolly takes his pets to the vet, "doc, i think something's wrong, i keep retrying them on the nose but nothing happens"
1890076;1548477990;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's prolly a pnojeist on an underground train, or sumthing equally sad
1890077;1548478005;mircea_popescu;who tries and tries and TRIES AGAIN.
1890078;1548478015;mircea_popescu;this is what orange man's gonna make a maga out of ?
1890079;1548478018;mircea_popescu;how the fuck.
1890080;1548478026;asciilifeform;well yea train goes into tunnel, then out
1890081;1548478038;mircea_popescu;i bet you 5 years after reddit went the way of the dnc, they'll still be pressing f5
1890082;1548478056;asciilifeform;they would if crapple kbd still had a f5 lol
1890083;1548478061;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform wtf tunnel is there between yonkers and queens or w/e ?!
1890084;1548478070;BingoBoingo;I suspect 74.90.192.109 is likely a Google trying to cache lost porn. Or a butthurt RO dude abusing google yonkers machines now that he has a pension.
1890085;1548478108;mircea_popescu;it's allocated to some dude's house.
1890086;1548478124;BingoBoingo;Maybe the reddit sciencehaet chick?
1890087;1548478128;asciilifeform;then i got nuffin
1890088;1548478186;BingoBoingo;Or google is playing house with a 9 year old boy?
1890089;1548478212;mircea_popescu;google schmoogle. the ~only life skill of jugasvilli & co consists of clicking the retry button indefinitely.
1890090;1548478215;asciilifeform;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/search?q=from+74.90. << bonus lul
1890091;1548478240;asciilifeform;( none directly from the subj tho )
1890092;1548478467;asciilifeform;loox to be dead, fwiw.
1890093;1548478503;asciilifeform;or hm, nope, just swallows icmp
1890094;1548478522;asciilifeform;actually listens on 4567, the infamous actiontec backdoor.
1890095;1548478552;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there's yer answr.
1890096;1548478563;mircea_popescu;what is ?
1890097;1548478616;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: luser on 1 of the big monopoly isps in usa; runs the stock router, which contains a nobu^H^H^Hfree-for-all openrelay
1890098;1548478663;mircea_popescu;nobody's openrelaying anything. that it's a typical ustard was not in dispute ; that he's doing this manually neither. schmuck is sitting on a couch as we speak, "surfing" ie trying to load pronz "from google", because "he lives in a society" and etcetera.
1890099;1548478677;mircea_popescu;and i'm cordially invited to sponsor his delusion. and if i opt not to, he will... RETRY.
1890100;1548478685;mircea_popescu;while the ramen stores last, at least.
1890101;1548478708;asciilifeform;could be. openrelay ddoser would at least make some sorta sense tho. vs. this.
1890102;1548478770;mircea_popescu;absolutely 0 sense, why the fuck would "openrelay ddoser" follow 301s
1890103;1548478778;asciilifeform;point
1890104;1548478801;*;asciilifeform sold.
1890105;1548478979;asciilifeform;re 'orange man', apparently caved today
1890106;1548478983;asciilifeform;re the shitdown.
1890107;1548479013;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Mentioned earlier
1890108;1548479035;BingoBoingo;I read less of a cave, more let them choke on cake
1890109;1548479059;mircea_popescu;how's that work ?
1890110;1548479072;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-25#1889962 << aa
1890111;1548479072;a111;Logged on 2019-01-25 19:47 BingoBoingo: In other news, it looks like Trump agrees with OMB on the furlough thing per http://qntra.net/2019/01/trump-cancels-pantsuit-vacation-party/ Agreeing to turn the government back on for 3 weeks and then declaring emergency
1890112;1548479154;BingoBoingo;Trump gives Pantsuit voters paychecks through 2-15-2019, after that they deliver his wall or he declares and emergency and heads roll to be impaled on artistically designed steel border slats
1890113;1548479342;BingoBoingo;I read Trump seeing that blame in this dispute is still not sufficiently laid upon Nancy's failure to engage Trump. For that reason Trump is teasing Nancy with 3 weeks to engage or hang herself.
1890114;1548479372;asciilifeform;i dunget why not tease with another +3wks of hunger
1890115;1548479459;BingoBoingo;Too many weeks of hunger they die. Gotta toss some carbs occasionally to sustain the suffering.
1890116;1548479550;asciilifeform;lol what die. i dunget the whiners, either, what sorta office inmate wouldn't kill for month of vacation ( even unpaid )
1890117;1548479570;BingoBoingo;3 weeks of food means he can run to November 2020 selling how reasonable he was
1890118;1548479622;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> lol what die. i dunget the whiners, either, what sorta office inmate wouldn't kill for month of vacation ( even unpaid ) << Maduro's Venezuela has some pretty sweet beaches now forbidden to USG.blue according to intel.
1890119;1548479930;BingoBoingo;Culturally Vzla is Batista's Cuba with a culinary norm higher than ham sandwiches
1890120;1548480002;mircea_popescu;i guess i can see it.
1890121;1548480257;*;BingoBoingo has read many "trump surrendered" gut reaction pieces which all neglected time value. What are 3 weeks out of 104 weeks.
1890122;1548480627;BingoBoingo;For all the years Castros have held Cuba, Cuba like the rest of the island caribeans lacks an answer to the Areps
1890123;1548480632;BingoBoingo;*Arepa
1890124;1548481613;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo reading through this crap i see what you mean ; not exactly exultant pantsuit on the receiving end of trump's mercy. seems rather most of the low level bureaucracy will vote trump next, notwithstanding it owes so much to a lengthy clintonism.
1890125;1548481673;mircea_popescu;in bernie bernbaum's tems, "what have you done for me lately", and ESPECIALLY "how likely do you look to be able to do much".
1890126;1548481717;BingoBoingo;Right, the only exultant mouths are Buzzfat reporters getting laid off, to be included in a weekend roundup of Pantsuit trips and falls
1890127;1548481835;BingoBoingo;Maduro thrives on low level bureacracy. I doubt anyone is taking Nancy seriously after she proposed the same sum Trump wanted, but for robodogs.
1890128;1548482649;BingoBoingo;We live in times when la calle Libertad crosses Obligado y Trabajo but las calles Julio Caesar and Marco Bruto never touch
1890129;1548493081;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-25#1889973 -> didn't rummage as too late yest but woke up this morning with this: when a= n-1 step 2.2 aka y=a^r mod n becomes y= (n-1)^r mod n; using for instance binomial expansion you have (n-1)^r = n^r + rC1*n^(r-1)*(-1)+rC2*n^(r-2)*(-1)^2+....+rC(r-1)*n*(-1)^(r-1)+(-1)^r; since the whole thing was "mod n", of all those terms you are in fact left with only the last one, aka y = (-1)^r mod n ; r is odd so
1890130;1548493081;a111;Logged on 2019-01-25 19:49 asciilifeform: diana_coman: plox to post if you turn it up.
1890131;1548493081;diana_coman;that's (-1) mod n so y= n-1 and then there's nothing to do at step 2.3
1890132;1548501456;feedbot;http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/081-feedbot-manual.html << The Tar Pit -- Feedbot manual
1890133;1548517318;asciilifeform;diana_coman: this dun make sense to me;
1890134;1548517326;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/vanstone-mr.jpg << for folx following the thread, context
1890135;1548517353;diana_coman;asciilifeform, specific?
1890136;1548517368;asciilifeform;diana_coman: 'nothing to do' is because it's a legit witness! algo returns 'prime'. ( and in non-constanttime incarnations, this is the ideal, shortcut case in fact )
1890137;1548517444;asciilifeform;i.e. case where a^r mod n = 1 or n - 1 .
1890138;1548517509;diana_coman;it is a leggit witness, yes; do you mean that it's not counted as it should be?
1890139;1548517518;asciilifeform;it makes sense to exclude a=0 and a=1, they give no useful information. but a = n - 1 gives.
1890140;1548517539;diana_coman;what information does it give?
1890141;1548517540;asciilifeform;diana_coman: correct. in implementations where a is forced to <= n - 2, n - 1 is excluded
1890142;1548517557;asciilifeform;diana_coman: it's a witness for some numbers. like erry other witness-for-some-numbers.
1890143;1548517562;asciilifeform;so why to exclude it ?
1890144;1548517648;diana_coman;hm; it always says "prime" though by definition so I'm not sure *what* information is missed when you exclude it
1890145;1548517693;*;asciilifeform goes to chalkboard , brb
1890146;1548517925;asciilifeform;diana_coman: it does ~not~ 'always return prime'. only returns prime if (n - 1)^r mod n is 1 or n - 1.
1890147;1548517942;asciilifeform;diana_coman: you can trivially see that it correctly judges e.g. 12 to be composite.
1890148;1548518000;asciilifeform;it's a perfectly 'kosher' witness for a very large chunk of the number line.
1890149;1548518178;diana_coman;asciilifeform, ? mind working me through that? I might be thick here
1890150;1548518192;diana_coman;alternatively: do you see a whole in my previous maffs?
1890151;1548518221;diana_coman;a hole, lol
1890152;1548518316;asciilifeform;diana_coman: bin(12) == 1100 . then r = 2. then, (n - 1)^r mod n == 11^2 mod 12 == 1. 12 is pronounced composite.
1890153;1548518333;diana_coman;o.o "such that r is odd"
1890154;1548518336;diana_coman;2 is odd?
1890155;1548518355;asciilifeform;hm
1890156;1548518365;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-26#1890129 -> specifically, here
1890157;1548518365;a111;Logged on 2019-01-26 08:58 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-25#1889973 -> didn't rummage as too late yest but woke up this morning with this: when a= n-1 step 2.2 aka y=a^r mod n becomes y= (n-1)^r mod n; using for instance binomial expansion you have (n-1)^r = n^r + rC1*n^(r-1)*(-1)+rC2*n^(r-2)*(-1)^2+....+rC(r-1)*n*(-1)^(r-1)+(-1)^r; since the whole thing was "mod n", of all those terms you are in fact left with only the last one, aka y = (-1)^r mod n ; r is odd so
1890158;1548518380;diana_coman;that is my proof that always y= n-1 for a= n-1
1890159;1548518386;diana_coman;unless I have a mistake in there
1890160;1548518388;*;asciilifeform goes to walk the thing again
1890161;1548518461;*;asciilifeform still waking up, will have tea and ~then~ come back to item
1890162;1548518481;diana_coman;no hurry; if I have a mistake  in there I certainly want to know
1890163;1548518485;*;diana_coman will bbl
1890164;1548518600;asciilifeform;diana_coman: r = 3 indeed. (n - 1)^r mod n == 11^3 mod 12 == 11 == n - 1.
1890165;1548518756;asciilifeform;to redo the earlier munged example: bin(12) == 1100. s = 2. r = 3. (n - 1)^r mod n == (12 - 1)^3 mod 12 == 11^3 mod 12 == 11, i.e. n - 1. witness.
1890166;1548518796;diana_coman;ugh; asciilifeform honestly, please walk through my working
1890167;1548518831;asciilifeform;ok, i'ma go an' set the kettle, bbl.
1890168;1548518835;diana_coman;enjoy!
1890169;1548519068;asciilifeform;while it boils : btw log readers can ignore the earlier arithm, it is entirely off ( asciilifeform computed r * 2^s = n instead of r * 2^s = n - 1 ... )
1890170;1548519090;asciilifeform;i ought not to do these before breakfast.
1890171;1548519127;*;asciilifeform bbl
1890172;1548521350;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's only a witness for EVEN composites tho ?
1890173;1548522230;asciilifeform;guten morgen mircea_popescu
1890174;1548522277;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: asciilifeform elementarily made rubbish on the chalkboard, redoing whole thing nao.
1890175;1548522321;asciilifeform;( in re this subthread, example proggy posted 2d ago was afaik correct )
1890176;1548523067;asciilifeform;diana_coman: yours is correct.
1890177;1548523090;shinohai;xpost for trb-ists: http://btcinfo.sdf.org/blog/trb-keccak-regrind-test-results-and-notes.html
1890178;1548523155;asciilifeform;diana_coman: no hole.
1890179;1548523647;asciilifeform;diana_coman et al : i'ma rewrite my proofism from beginning, to see if i committed any other atrocity.
1890180;1548523840;*;asciilifeform already ended up having to do this 1ce, for barrettism
1890181;1548523938;asciilifeform;shinohai: i dun have any nitpicks , other than to note that the canonical gnat is ave1's
1890182;1548523944;asciilifeform;rather than adacorpse's
1890183;1548524004;shinohai;Is next on agendas, to try ave1's.
1890184;1548524090;shinohai;( Currently, ave1 's website gives me "Your PHP installation appears to be missing the MySQL extension which is required by WordPress.")
1890185;1548524103;asciilifeform;hm it does indeed
1890186;1548524110;asciilifeform;ave1: ^ ?
1890187;1548524374;asciilifeform;shinohai: 1 other thing -- screenshits of shell are pretty hard to read (on e.g. asciilifeform's display), i recommend to use same textblock as you use elsewhere ( e.g. where 'list of dependencies' ) rather than screenshit
1890188;1548524454;shinohai;nb ... One thing lacking on blog is still proper css codeblock.
1890189;1548524478;asciilifeform;imho it really aint important that the shell colours etc be preserved
1890190;1548524495;asciilifeform;can use same styling as you did for the curls etc
1890191;1548524549;shinohai;(The color is leftover from vanilla install anyways, I usually strip this from .bashrc for daily use)
1890192;1548524584;asciilifeform;shinohai: it's same problem as with http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-25#1889984 ; not only cannot be cut&paste'd or searched, but on folx having very diff display from orig author's, inevitably loox like soup
1890193;1548524584;a111;Logged on 2019-01-25 20:04 asciilifeform so far even avoided bitmapped maffs, in the vein of e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-20#1888458
1890194;1548524677;asciilifeform;bitmaps are a 'necessary evil' if yer displaying spread chix, or mandelbrots, or http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2913 -isms, etc; but for text you really wanna have text.
1890195;1548524835;shinohai;I rather enjoyed that post, btw. The soldering on that board is just beautiful.
1890196;1548524860;asciilifeform;shinohai: they were pretty ordinary '80s wave-solder
1890197;1548524895;asciilifeform;( and even with the apparently-inescapable '80s pcb layout mistakes -- there's a few blue 'bodge wire' in there )
1890198;1548525029;asciilifeform;shinohai: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWH58QrprVc << wave soldering illustration.
1890199;1548525137;shinohai;Everyone knows this is the true way to solder: http://btcinfo.sdf.org/uploads/solderingiron.jpg
1890200;1548525150;asciilifeform;lol
1890201;1548525311;asciilifeform;shinohai: see also http://lurkmore.to/%D0%A2%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80 ( 'rectothermal cryptoanalyzer' ) .
1890202;1548525379;shinohai;ibid: http://lurkmore.so/images/6/67/A.jpg  <<< kek
1890203;1548525435;asciilifeform;shinohai: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1061 << see alsox2.
1890204;1548525461;mircea_popescu;anyone have a ready link to asciilifeform 's celebrated "in order for me to do anything else i'd have to have three trillion dollars in gold brick first" ?
1890205;1548525486;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: prolly there's >1 !111 got specific thrd in mind ?
1890206;1548525493;mircea_popescu;first will work.
1890207;1548525516;mircea_popescu;believe it or not you figure by way of illustration in latest trilema opus.
1890208;1548525517;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-19#1615434 ?
1890209;1548525517;a111;Logged on 2017-02-19 03:54 asciilifeform: (iirc we had a thread where i described how corporate ameritards, if given a problem like phuctor, would happily soak up a few $mil and megawatt of iron)
1890210;1548525527;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/01/weekend-roundup-trump-gives-nancy-3-weeks-neocon-war-boner-building/ << Qntra -- Weekend Roundup: Trump Gives Nancy 3 Weeks, Neocon War Boner Building
1890211;1548525529;mircea_popescu;no, no. you personally, "to move" or w/e it was.
1890212;1548525575;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: mountain of gold brick sounds like a lethal overdose, lol
1890213;1548525627;mircea_popescu;fifteen galons to the ton, not so bad.
1890214;1548525673;asciilifeform;i dun mean 'bust open guts trying to move it', but 'when somebody gets wind that you have it'
1890215;1548525731;asciilifeform;see also captain kidd.
1890216;1548526013;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you might be thinking of old flamefest ( possibly with diana_coman & mircea_popescu ) where asciilifeform was asked 'why dontcha quit yer dayjob' and asciilifeform answered 'would consider it, if , like the 2 of you, had enuff coin to permanently leave slave market , with x% engineering margin' or sumthing of the kind
1890217;1548526046;asciilifeform;speaking of which,
1890218;1548526049;asciilifeform;!#seen Mocky
1890219;1548526049;a111;2019-01-23 <Mocky> being chucked into the air?
1890220;1548526065;mircea_popescu;that's exactly what i'm thinking of.
1890221;1548526122;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: can't seem to dredge it up in O(1). feel free to cite the summary tho, if writing a piece to laff at asciilifeform , who is big boy and wont cry
1890222;1548526152;mircea_popescu;ah, not in the slightest.
1890223;1548526298;asciilifeform;and hey, asciilifeform is not even the worst horse in that gluefactory, the 1000 btc or whatever it was i calculated then, is still coupla orders of magnitude smaller than that d00d we had who 'couldn't do' until he had orbiting station with solar sail or what was it ( kanzure ? )
1890224;1548526328;mircea_popescu;yeah, but you we care about.
1890225;1548526333;asciilifeform;lolk
1890226;1548526438;*;asciilifeform read the magick pike fish tale as a kid, and therefore knows where to stop!111
1890227;1548526471;asciilifeform;( e.g. don't ask the golden fish to 'explain turbulence!' )
1890228;1548526595;asciilifeform;speaking of 'where to stop', diana_coman i still dunhave a Troo proof that after r - 1 shots, the squaring loop really does always cycle; so unless i find one, i'ma have to put in a mux there.
1890229;1548526883;asciilifeform;re fishes -- ru folklore notably contains ~2~ wish-granting fish stories : 1, the internationally familiar one, where old fishwife keeps ramping up the wishitude until she overflows the register and gets fucked; and ~other~, where young lad knows how to use the fish, and gets half of kingdom , via http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-14#1841561 process
1890230;1548526883;a111;Logged on 2018-08-14 20:45 asciilifeform: btw the orig folktale included mega-line 'and many did the stove crush as it went'
1890231;1548526913;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-14#1841558 << illustrated.
1890232;1548526913;a111;Logged on 2018-08-14 20:45 asciilifeform: https://i.pinimg.com/736x/7e/22/01/7e2201f558d42e467cc35c278b211882--stoves-fairytale.jpg << '80s ver
1890233;1548527320;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: dun fughet to link to prikoke, also, asciilifeform still wont cry, promise.
1890234;1548527886;mircea_popescu;lmao. you know, many have tried, none have yet succeeded in guessing as much as a title, as much as a sentence, afore i publish my brew.
1890235;1548527911;asciilifeform;this is as it should be.
1890236;1548529910;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/the-three-watches/ << Trilema -- The three watches
1890237;1548530858;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-26#1890228 sadly I don't have proof for it
1890238;1548530858;a111;Logged on 2019-01-26 18:16 asciilifeform: speaking of 'where to stop', diana_coman i still dunhave a Troo proof that after r - 1 shots, the squaring loop really does always cycle; so unless i find one, i'ma have to put in a mux there.
1890239;1548530925;mircea_popescu;induction, neh ? if it cycles k times how's it to stop cycling.
1890240;1548532264;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: to reformulate: need proof that the working reg will never equal 1 or n - 1 ~after~ r - 1 shots.
1890241;1548532283;asciilifeform;( unless it did so during the 1st r - 1 . )
1890242;1548532591;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2019/the-three-watches/#comment-127588
1890243;1548532864;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if you were looking for a 'k vs r -strategy' illustration, this is prolly the worst possible 1. i'dve used , e.g., 'columbus send 3 $maxint boats but vikings did same with 9000 dragonheads costing ~epsilon ea.' or sumthing like it.
1890244;1548532959;asciilifeform;iirc we ~did~ have a thread where 'why didn't they make a chronometer that can be stuffed up arse, for constant temp' tho.
1890245;1548533188;mircea_popescu;answer't.
1890246;1548533350;asciilifeform;answr't^2.
1890247;1548533358;diana_coman;ahaha, I refrained from commenting because I thought "uhm, I have NO idea exactly HOW were those watches broken" but my first thought was that they were likely unpredictably broken i.e. each will show ~random hour rather than "time with x error"
1890248;1548533586;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: to reformulate -- in order for redundancy to do anyffin (whether yer dealing with clocks, or RNGs, or any other instrument) the error gotta be ~uncorrelated~ b/w the units
1890249;1548533722;mircea_popescu;reformulate there if ye will ?
1890250;1548533734;asciilifeform;aite, 1s
1890251;1548534075;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: done
1890252;1548534412;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-17#1614928 << a++ vintage ref on subj, btw
1890253;1548534412;a111;Logged on 2017-02-17 04:27 phf: re "apprentice as watchmaker" i picked up first edition of The Marine Chronometer by Gould. i would call it "delightful"
1890254;1548534459;asciilifeform;( and additionally http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754462 apropos )
1890255;1548534459;a111;Logged on 2017-12-19 18:13 phf: i supper proper presentation of fg schematics in a v-tron is either in the style of the marine chronometer book i have next to me or not at all. "taking first the essentials, c is the escape wheel. the escapement consists of the bar E, carrying the two projections e, e' etc". everything else ought to be handled separately
1890256;1548534542;mircea_popescu;(fwiw, i got trilema comments on feedbot 's rss, so it notifies me if/when anyone says something)
1890257;1548534624;asciilifeform;answ^3.
1890258;1548534629;asciilifeform;aaah ok
1890259;1548534634;asciilifeform;i'ma not pollute the log then.
1890260;1548535209;mircea_popescu;diana_coman if you think about it, that's strictly impossible. they do indeed show delta time each tick, so it's dead reckoning. how the heck would they produce strictly random time.
1890261;1548536503;*;asciilifeform brb,meat
1890262;1548540615;mircea_popescu;awww
1890263;1548542498;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: last comment has jpg link, sits in modqueue
1890264;1548542995;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: for thread-completeness - same jp folx (and others) also sell a temp-controlled 'oven' xtal, warrantied to 1 ppm. these draw lotsa current, comparatively, and cost 50x moar, so i did not use in FG ( where the accuracy of the oscillator is solely to put out the expected baud rate, and it dun do any good to make it substantially higher than the receiving machine's )
1890265;1548543013;asciilifeform;i use'em ('txco' being the generic term for subj) in radio.
1890266;1548543036;asciilifeform;https://www5.epsondevice.com/en/products/tcxo < subj.
1890267;1548543122;asciilifeform;incidentally, even txco has high enuff 'jitter' that fairly good rng can and has been built solely from'em.
1890268;1548543294;asciilifeform;( the problem with doing so, is the 'aging' effect -- the amt of jitter tends to vary as time passes; and the fact of it being a rather expensive means of collecting thermal noise, resistor worx very similarly and costs 1% of what xtal costs )
1890269;1548544198;*;asciilifeform bbl:maffs
1890270;1548544946;Mocky;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-26#1890218 << I finally got job offer yesterday
1890271;1548544946;a111;Logged on 2019-01-26 18:07 asciilifeform: !#seen Mocky
1890272;1548545050;Mocky;by the looks of it, will go approx 4 days without food money before first paycheck, so this was cut pretty close
1890273;1548545083;Mocky;which means mooching off family, not actual hunger btw
1890274;1548548180;mircea_popescu;well, what doesn't starve you edifies you or how did it igo.
1890275;1548580577;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, perhaps re clocks though I keep thinking that the cheap ones were as clocks as current smartphones are computers
1890276;1548580623;diana_coman;Mocky_, congrats; I guess.
1890277;1548581388;mircea_popescu;well, for a long time the movements in cheap and expensive clocks were ~same, with mostly a difference of fineness, precision of machining, to distinguish them.
1890278;1548581423;mircea_popescu;much like lenses, really, the difference between a very expensive and a very cheap glass wasn't substantial, both made of polished glass. but much different in implementation, made of complicatedly boiled glass hand polished over months or not.
1890279;1548581455;mircea_popescu;this is obviously an approximation, and it holds as well as it holds. but what can you do.
1890280;1548594914;diana_coman;I suppose the argument is that they still were the same thing i.e. that the fineness & precision differences were not so crucial as to make the result essentially something else; I can see it as such and fwiw that'd have been the default way to see it - if not for all the experience of "things that people call X and supposedly is made out of same things as X but different in implementation"
1890281;1548594953;diana_coman;anyways, I'm not pushing this strongly as "this is how I actually think it was" - as I said previously, I don't think I know enough to have much to say either way
1890282;1548602619;asciilifeform;guten morgen mircea_popescu , diana_coman
1890283;1548602631;*;diana_coman waves
1890284;1548602712;asciilifeform;i cannot resist to throw some petrol in the clocks fire : in the national museum in washingtonistan, i saw a matchbox-sized (1990s) device claiming to be miniaturized cesium clock. why the item aint available for a few bux from middlekingdom, however, remains to me a mystery. ( possibly in fact sham; or possibly some other explanation. )
1890285;1548602804;asciilifeform;fwiw a standard commercial cesium clock sells 2ndhand for about 2/3 of what bolix did..
1890286;1548602844;*;asciilifeform doesn't have 1 here, given as never yet perceived any pressing need for such thing
1890287;1548602927;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/9W8vS << typical subj unit.
1890288;1548608108;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Could be China doesn't publish their national security export restricted list?
1890289;1548608547;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i've nfi
1890290;1548609034;BingoBoingo;I have no concrete idea, but the gulf in quality between export grade chinese tooling and domestic chinese tooling is suggestive
1890291;1548609102;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: from experience, i know that one can get decent-quality items built in cn if one simply ~pays for it~
1890292;1548609121;asciilifeform;the xyz-pnoje-etc people -- do not pay for it, simply.
1890293;1548609182;BingoBoingo;There's also the excellent Chicom crescent wrench acquired from tienda inglesa which surpases the quality of "crescent" brand crescent wrenches available commercially in USistan
1890294;1548609243;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: was speaking of the variant where you contact manufacturer and upload toolings etc. and pay. rather than konsoomer retail.
1890295;1548609333;BingoBoingo;AHA, but still even when china is shitting out products whether or not people ask quality varies and the US does not appear to recieve the best
1890296;1548609344;asciilifeform;lol wai would it.
1890297;1548609584;BingoBoingo;Why would Israel, "US Greatest Ally" still be recognzing Maduro in conflict with loud US delusions? Meteorology is an art.
1890298;1548609601;asciilifeform;lol i missed this
1890299;1548609690;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I'm digging through stuff and apparently Israel doesn't have a strong opinion on Vzla regime change is the US isn't going to have a strong opinion on Syria regime change seems to be the sentiment.
1890300;1548609755;mircea_popescu;https://fetlife.com/users/9060666 << meanwhile in items of doubtful interest, "VulpesTwice 20F Domme".
1890301;1548609768;asciilifeform;lol ben_vulpes ex ?!
1890302;1548609779;mircea_popescu;muchly doubt it.
1890303;1548609779;asciilifeform;( twice-ex ??!11 )
1890304;1548609790;BingoBoingo;Nice uid
1890305;1548616456;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in sneap peeks, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/rXJ9o/?raw=true << current draft of m-r litmus.
1890306;1548616664;asciilifeform;^ corrected in re diana_coman thread; and no longer relies on the squaring limit conjecture mentioned earlier.
1890307;1548616689;asciilifeform;2.541s / 4096b. input.
1890308;1548616821;asciilifeform;will be interesting to test on '9000' koch-generated primes, and see if any... aint
1890309;1548617224;phf;b
1890310;1548617264;asciilifeform;wb phf
1890311;1548617280;phf;still alive, been keeping up with the logs, but not much else
1890312;1548617430;phf;unfortunately i failed to make careful note of various vpatch appearances. there's been some by people other than asciilifeform and diana_coman where the author didn't explicitly request a btcbase upload. so if anyone's explicitly missing a vpatch that they want to be up on btcbase, please leave note with me, privmsg also works
1890313;1548617450;asciilifeform;phf: canhaz ch15 snarf plox ?
1890314;1548617461;phf;si
1890315;1548618218;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/corydon/ << Trilema -- Corydon
1890316;1548618599;phf;asciilifeform: up to date
1890317;1548618781;asciilifeform;ty phf !
1890318;1548618928;mircea_popescu;they were some pretty thick logs, at that.
1890319;1548619815;phf;i don't understand how anyone can read the logs with one eye, this shit's exponential: i'm behind on ffa, so the recent work on e.g. gcd or miller-rabin is particularly slow going.
1890320;1548619891;asciilifeform;eh, gcd is what, 100ln.
1890321;1548620051;asciilifeform;arguably barrett is the heavy ch., the algo in the given form dun appear anywhere else (e.g. knuth) and so reqs eating the included proof.
1890322;1548620176;asciilifeform;phf: on other front entirely, you may find interesting, asciilifeform built an xray machine, some time in coming weeks when i get coupla otherwise free hrs, will take pics of the bolix..
1890323;1548620204;asciilifeform;( to go with the http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2913 item )
1890324;1548620206;mircea_popescu;the problem with knowledge : as reality scales with the set, knowledge scales with the powerset. not even calling it exponential does it justice.
1890325;1548620251;asciilifeform;( also possibly of phf interest, the scsi replacement gadget is an a++ win, full docs at http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2943 )
1890326;1548620637;phf;asciilifeform: yeap, i've been keeping up with what you've been publishing on the subject. i'm looking forward to your xray results, i mean that's not something i thought would be doable at home, even if a home lab
1890327;1548620662;asciilifeform;phf: eh it's just pcb xray, not micrograph of ic
1890328;1548620675;phf;oh oh
1890329;1548620685;asciilifeform;micrograph, seems , will prolly have to wait until i get actual microscope here.
1890330;1548620704;phf;i would not have been surprised though..
1890331;1548620720;asciilifeform;it is, mind-bogglingly, cheaper than having it done by other hands, even chinese.
1890332;1548620730;mircea_popescu;just don't hurt yourself.
1890333;1548620740;asciilifeform;i was similarly astonished by how much the xray people wanted for ~1~ piddling pic
1890334;1548620746;asciilifeform;( ~3k ! )
1890335;1548620821;asciilifeform;printing press , evidently, sent prices for various r&d service through the roof.
1890336;1548621009;mircea_popescu;well, one possible explanation is "the smartphone revolution" : it managed to make say a butler overexpensive through the simple application of "why should i practice being stiff when i could just catpic all day". conceivably, if it managed to reduce the butler population to practical zero, it might've reduced others too.
1890337;1548621030;mircea_popescu;~nobody left that does work, because nobody left that can work, because nobody left that even knows what work fucking looks like.
1890338;1548621149;asciilifeform;that's gotta be it, i cant think how else.
1890339;1548630362;asciilifeform;!#s 0x400286bac15132db85b1c936709f369b
1890340;1548630362;a111;1 result for "0x400286bac15132db85b1c936709f369b", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=0x400286bac15132db85b1c936709f369b
1890341;1548630368;asciilifeform;ah hrm already in log.
1890342;1548630816;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/advprimes/index.html << perma-mirror of subj lul.
1890343;1548630858;asciilifeform;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/rk4Qe/?raw=true << ascii snapshot of same.
1890344;1548630918;asciilifeform;^ mircea_popescu , diana_coman , possibly other aficionados ^
1890345;1548631016;asciilifeform;( tldr : d00d generated 'threaded cock for smart arse' composites that break various heathen m-r proggies
1890346;1548631018;asciilifeform;)
1890347;1548631099;asciilifeform;incl. openssl, gmp, etc.
1890348;1548631139;asciilifeform;apparently not only do the derps use prng for generating witness, but they seed it ~with the candidate n~
1890349;1548631173;asciilifeform;pretty ham-handed, imho, 'nobus'ism.
1890350;1548631327;asciilifeform;( aug 14, 2018 )
1890351;1548631380;mircea_popescu;pretty lulzy. you gonna take an article off once you publish to show off both his tests and your results ?
1890352;1548631390;asciilifeform;naturally
1890353;1548631415;asciilifeform;( already fed his N's to mine, it -- unsurprisingly -- does Right Thing )
1890354;1548631551;asciilifeform;'...we construct a 1024-bit composite that is guaranteed to be declared prime by the GNU GMP library [Gt18] for anything up to and including 15 rounds of testing (the recommended minimum by GMP). This is as a result of GNU GMP initialising its PRNG to a static state and consequently using bases in its Miller-Rabin testing that depend only on n, the number being tested. We also show how base selection by randomly sampling from a fixed
1890355;1548631551;asciilifeform; list of primes, as in Apple’s corecrypto library...' etc
1890356;1548631644;asciilifeform;m-r is actually not easy to fuck up, but these folx tried hard, and -- succeeded...
1890357;1548631701;asciilifeform;the're 'pros', see , they get 'donations' from microshit etc. and aaapparently ~this~ is whatfor.
1890358;1548631745;mircea_popescu;the fucking gall of these imbecile schmucks, then turning around going "oh, you shouldn't amateur"
1890359;1548631764;mircea_popescu;yeah, right. because there is such a thing as experts, and the femstate spawns them.
1890360;1548631766;asciilifeform;no amateur can ever hope to equal this 'virtuosity'
1890361;1548631777;mircea_popescu;exercises in narrative fiction for the fat and the dizzy.
1890362;1548631833;asciilifeform;they're... 'experts'. of a kind. (in obfuscated-c, for instance.)
1890363;1548631904;mircea_popescu;experts in narrative fiction.
1890364;1548631904;asciilifeform;diana_coman: coupla of the authors of linked item are at uni of london. think you can get at'em ?
1890365;1548631943;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i can't resist to bite : what's 'non-narrative' fiction ?
1890366;1548631955;asciilifeform;sounds like 'oily oil'
1890367;1548631960;asciilifeform;'wet water'
1890368;1548631976;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in other news, http://trilema.com/2019/trilema-images-no-longer-showing/ rather effectual in that bw usage dropped ~55% directly.
1890369;1548631985;mircea_popescu;cheaper than buying another pipe, that's for damn sure.
1890370;1548631998;asciilifeform;only 55?! must be some clever bot people ?
1890371;1548632016;asciilifeform;i expected moar like 99+
1890372;1548632052;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform a narrative is a set of interconnected events. as long as no interconnectedness is proposed, it's not a narrative, whether fictitious or factual. so you could say a painting is plastic fiction (while a photography plastic realism). cuz they're not narrative.
1890373;1548632064;asciilifeform;a aa.
1890374;1548632067;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well no, but lots of people ~actually look~ at those images and so on.
1890375;1548632137;mircea_popescu;there's of course an abundance of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-26#1890099 ; but as much as 15 maybe even 20% of the clickers simply do the right thing, go to trilema./
1890376;1548632137;a111;Logged on 2019-01-26 04:57 mircea_popescu: and i'm cordially invited to sponsor his delusion. and if i opt not to, he will... RETRY.
1890377;1548632164;asciilifeform;makes sense.
1890378;1548632176;asciilifeform;evidently there are still meat-people on net, somewhere.
1890379;1548632195;mircea_popescu;not a particularly high bar, that.
1890380;1548632227;asciilifeform;somewhat high bar; they found trilema, rather than lolcattube etc
1890381;1548632287;mircea_popescu;"set an env variable" not quite the last word in terms of http://trilema.com/2019/what-is-meant-by-ai/#selection-231.1-231.42 "technololols"
1890382;1548632358;asciilifeform;'If either LibTomMath or TomsFastMath are selected, the pseudoprimes described in Section 4.9 (see Appendix I) will always be declared prime by the primality test.' << for the innocent : 'tommath' is 1 of those 'independent, not openssl' arithmetrons...
1890383;1548632449;asciilifeform;or, in better-known turdolade, 'The Go programming language (GoLang) 1.10.3 [Goo18] created at Google in 2009 is an open source project including arbitrary-precision arithmetic and cryptographic functionality... ...the pseudorandom number generator used in this primality test is seeded with the tested number n.'
1890384;1548633106;feedbot;http://pizarroisp.net/2019/01/27/pizarro-update-january-27th-2019/ << PizarroISP -- Pizarro Update January 27th 2019
1890385;1548633955;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in other "holy shit, the world has changed!" items : http://trilema.com/2012/slabiti-ma-cu-romali-romales-si-alte-cacaturi/#selection-41.98-41.353
1890386;1548633973;mircea_popescu;the original said "The French don't like being famous for their incapacity of being on time ? Let them fix their watches somehow to the same hour, so they quit going about Paris, apparent adults, with half hour's delta among what their watches show. " and i'm willing to attest even as late as LAST DECADE this was a factual state of affairs.
1890387;1548633990;mircea_popescu;nowadays, smartphones are within half a second of each other -- jobs fixed paris timekeeping!
1890388;1548638213;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: for extra lulz: they drift like hell if denied gsm ( tested with own hands )
1890389;1548638231;mircea_popescu;oya
1890390;1548638243;mircea_popescu;shittier oscillator on-board than ye olde ibm-pc
1890391;1548638245;asciilifeform;( jobs, evidently, didn't spring for the 25ppm xtal.. )
1890392;1548638464;asciilifeform;for extra mindfuck : the primary xtal in the bolix ( valpey-fisher vf155 ) is a <1ppm txco.
1890393;1548638473;asciilifeform;( unlike in any pc i've met to date )
1890394;1548638504;mircea_popescu;nuts.
1890395;1548638577;asciilifeform;( apparently firm existed until '11, even. largely military/usgistic market. )
1890396;1548638665;asciilifeform;*tcxo
1890397;1548638717;*;asciilifeform bbl,meat
1890398;1548644385;asciilifeform;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/JwcYx/?raw=true << updated m-r.
1890399;1548644513;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/freddy-got-fingered/ << Trilema -- Freddy Got Fingered
1890400;1548645895;feedbot;http://bimbo.club/2019/01/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-march-april-and-may-1715-part-iv/ << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of March, April and May, 1715. - Part IV.
1890401;1548649151;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in russki sluts, https://i1.wp.com/www.domnuroz.ro/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/anastasiya-kabanova-1600x900.jpg
1890402;1548672034;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-27#1890343 -> a paper with actual content, ha! though I rather doubt the authors' statement that "the need for careful distinction between non-adversarial (or random) and adversarial primality testing is of course well understood in the cryptographic research community."
1890403;1548672034;a111;Logged on 2019-01-27 23:14 asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/rk4Qe/?raw=true << ascii snapshot of same.
1890404;1548672342;diana_coman;asciilifeform, authors seem to be with some Uni in London still so probably reachable, yes; but it's still an email first anyway, you know?
1890405;1548685392;mircea_popescu;entirely ununderstood. wtf is it ?
1890406;1548687883;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the 'distinction' ? near as i can tell, it's the 'narrative fiction' where 'you can assume that rng works'. recall the earlier entomo-gem where 'why not use fermat litmus, piano will fall on you before you see carmichael num' etc
1890407;1548687933;asciilifeform;( http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-25#1889868 << subj, for thread-completeness )
1890408;1548687933;a111;Logged on 2019-01-25 17:21 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in 'holy fuck, i thought we hit rock bottom but then heard a knock from below' lulz, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mcleod/index.html << 'professor of engineering' tries to argue in favour of old-fashioned , carmichaelizable primality litmus ~instead~ of m-r, on acct of the 'rarity of carmichael #s' .
1890409;1548688236;asciilifeform;ftr i still dunget what one has to be smoking to use prng ~seeded by N~ as a witness source.
1890410;1548688411;mircea_popescu;me either, tbh. is this also part of the "well understood distinction" ?
1890411;1548688427;mircea_popescu;i confess i'm mildly concerned when i don't see these "well understood" shits.
1890412;1548688461;asciilifeform;i suspect it's exactly like the 'well-understood that you mustn't write own crypto' idjicy.
1890413;1548688469;mircea_popescu;what the fuck "cryptographic research community", at that ? what's THIS even mean, "cenaclul poetilor judeteni", aka "country poet's club" ?
1890414;1548688495;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so why the fuck is "amply agreeable" called "well understood".
1890415;1548688518;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537407 << see also re 'komyoonity'.
1890416;1548688518;a111;Logged on 2016-09-08 17:31 asciilifeform: the #1 entry is gut-bustingly lulzy to asciilifeform , because i spend ~half year auditing a multilinear-map thing for $rupturefarm, and even was sent to a 'conference' where 'serious cryptographers' did not even blink when someone walked in with a proof that whole thing was crock of shit
1890417;1548688525;mircea_popescu;there's a difference between well and wide, for fuck's sake. what is this, intellectual fast fooding
1890418;1548688530;mircea_popescu;but anyway, i nitpick.
1890419;1548688685;mircea_popescu;it's an incredible role reversal, the past decades wrought, when "our subgroup has special knowledges, making things readily-er obvious to us rather than general public" turned into "our subgroup has special pleadings, making things passed unlaughed at that general public would fall over to hear."
1890420;1548688755;mircea_popescu;and this dun apply just to special-pleading pseudoscience, either. shitheads all the way down, to http://trilema.com/2013/the-sops-or-what-might-you-expect-from-government-clerks/ and beyond!!!
1890421;1548692893;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc we had old thrd, re how cryptography never actually reached escape velocity 'out of alchemy' stage of development
1890422;1548693402;asciilifeform;( the 1 where 'we dun have a grasp of strong ciphers, outside of von neumann's otp proof; only of weak ciphers' etc )
1890423;1548693495;asciilifeform;i see a field's infestation with alchemists, astrologers, faith healers, as a ~secondary symptom~ -- of the field not having anyffing like a rational foundation to begin with.
1890424;1548693585;asciilifeform;guten morgen Mocky
1890425;1548693595;Mocky;morning
1890426;1548693646;Mocky;wasn't it shannon with the otp proof?
1890427;1548693668;asciilifeform;Mocky: iirc there was a newton-leibniz style priority wank
1890428;1548693671;asciilifeform;possible was shannon 1st
1890429;1548693687;asciilifeform;( or possibly even that 1 ru d00d, but ~his~ apparently remains seekrit even today )
1890430;1548693703;Mocky;ahh figures
1890431;1548693716;asciilifeform;iirc mircea_popescu unearthed even something from 19th c resembling a proof
1890432;1548693748;asciilifeform;( it's a kindergarten-level proof, so i'd be surprised if it actually had to wait for 20th c )
1890433;1548693901;asciilifeform;imho newton/leibniz is esp. good parallel here, as even if one takes shannon to be the discoverer, you can't actually build a reasonable otptron without j. von neumann's debiasing method
1890434;1548694190;asciilifeform;( there is no tree on which grows a physical rng that gives 50/50 1/0 right off the bat, i looked... )
1890435;1548694312;asciilifeform;for instance, 1 'obvious' approach, 2 geigers equidistant from a capsule of radwaste -- also aint it -- you can never actually make the distances equal. ( it's mircea_popescu's 'clocks' thrd all over again, the 'frictionless horse' is not available )
1890436;1548694419;asciilifeform;!#s buridan
1890437;1548694419;a111;9 results for "buridan", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=buridan
1890438;1548695837;asciilifeform;incidentally, rad decay + http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-15#1887345 would make an entirely fine clock ( with relatively high local jitter, vs. e.q. quartz, but extremely predictable long-term 'aging', and ~entirely insensitive to temperature/electromagnetic fields/etc )
1890439;1548695837;a111;Logged on 2019-01-15 22:09 mircea_popescu: but tbh, the "stochastic convergence test" seems to me worth A LOT more than any bs "ent" ultimately meaningless "squares of pi" bs.
1890440;1548696675;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/01/bolton-watch-bank-of-england-takes-31-tons-of-venezuelan-gold-us-greatest-ally-israel-joins-regime-change-push-frances-macron-refuses-popular-demands-for-new-elections/ << Qntra -- Bolton Watch: Bank Of England Takes ~31 Tons Of Venezuelan Gold, US "Greatest Ally" Israel Joins Regime Change Push, Frances Macron Refuses Popular Demands For New Elections
1890441;1548696682;BingoBoingo;^ Small supporting lul, Vzla opposition folks are reporting ~700 protester arrests over the weekend which is about an order of magnitude under the numbers Macron was was detaining when the Yellow Jacket thing was new
1890442;1548696889;BingoBoingo;Odd how all these "repressive dictators" seem to have a much lighter hand than European "Champions of Demoocrity"
1890443;1548697161;asciilifeform;lol, maduro goxed?
1890444;1548697329;BingoBoingo;Appears more NeeBee'd, contrary to implications in the Anglophone media that ~1.2 billion USD in gold (why not cite the thing in its own unit of measure) is all the gold, Vzla mines gold
1890445;1548697380;*;asciilifeform never grasped just why ~is~ it that these folx always park those bricks in pantsuit central ~to begin with~
1890446;1548697492;asciilifeform;it was riotously idiotic when republican spain parked theirs with stalin ( who openly laffed 'all the way to bank' ) and it's doubly idiotic nao.
1890447;1548697626;BingoBoingo;Airstrip One probably made some smooth pitch about how doing so was the only demonstration they would accept if Vzla wanted access to their fx markets. But... unlike republican spain was not in the gold extraction business... empire running away and all that, Vzla is.
1890448;1548697689;asciilifeform;31 tonnes is , what, 10? 20? yrs of output there ?
1890449;1548697692;*;asciilifeform doesn't know
1890450;1548697985;BingoBoingo;Well, going by the fiat numbers retards keep tossing around it appears to be less than a quarter of their "monetary gold" http://www.mining.com/web/venezuela-gold-reserve-value-falls-14-pct-2017/
1890451;1548698012;asciilifeform;if the other 3/4 also in london but they simply not asked for it yet..
1890452;1548698460;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in copyrasty lulz: https://archive.is/wpwpo << ms-shithub posts dmca wank publicly nao ; this one's against a linuxkernelism. ( https://github.com/github/dmca << moar of these than anyone could ever stomach , some quite lulzy )
1890453;1548699083;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/2OYCk , https://archive.is/nYVUy << ditto, but in re xilinx
1890454;1548699116;asciilifeform;( gotta wonder, who are all these folx who think: 'hm, i have 1337 w4r3z, where should i park it... iknow! shithub!' ? )
1890455;1548699302;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/dn4wT << yet-another xilinx.
1890456;1548716064;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/01/usg-sanctions-venezuelan-state-oil-company-will-continue-accepting-oil-but-will-withhold-payment/ << Qntra -- USG Sanctions Venezuelan State Oil Company  Will Continue Accepting Oil, But Will Withhold Payment
1890457;1548716135;BingoBoingo;^ Breaking, bolder than normal world "policing"
1890458;1548716745;BingoBoingo;All that's realling missing is a "Maine" to remember
1890459;1548716845;shinohai;So more sanctions are answer since Moscow says "nyet" to military invasion by US ?
1890460;1548717185;asciilifeform;shinohai: http://trilema.com/2013/a-very-unfair-perspective/#selection-193.0-193.406 rhodesia , or , say, north kr , per http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-01#1561596 , is the model.
1890461;1548717185;a111;Logged on 2016-11-01 22:36 asciilifeform: north kr is simply a large-scale version of the thing wonderful civilized americans like to do to prisoners, chain'em up to a post until shits himself.
1890462;1548717290;asciilifeform;typically they invade, sometimes ( korea, vietnam ) break own teeth; but happy also to lay siege & wait
1890463;1548727044;mircea_popescu;there's not going to be anymore "invade", after the tooth were lost in afghanistan, even syria is too much to chew.
1890464;1548727162;asciilifeform;possibly trying for a softer nut, for broken tooth ? i've nfi
1890465;1548727209;asciilifeform;( unlike in arabistan, usg has ~ok record of wins in banana continent )
1890466;1548727248;mircea_popescu;true ; also kinda old record, but yeah.
1890467;1548727251;asciilifeform;perhaps idea is to stuff maduro into the recently-emptied hole where noriega sat
1890468;1548728623;BingoBoingo;Noriega wasn't really sitting on much other than CIA friendship before getting stuffed into a hole
1890469;1548729902;BingoBoingo;The problem with Incan topology is how hard it is to see the lost teeth for the people wagging dogs
1890470;1548731042;BingoBoingo;The latest noise is stroked out John Bolton doing a press conference while holding a notepad with 5000 troops to Colombia written on it. https://archive.is/TYi6x
1890471;1548733532;feedbot;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2978 << Loper OS -- Finite Field Arithmetic. Chapter 16A: The Miller-Rabin Test.
1890472;1548733549;asciilifeform;diana_coman, mircea_popescu , et al ^
1890473;1548733561;asciilifeform;!Q later tell phf plox to snarf ch.16, ty
1890474;1548733561;lobbesbot;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1890475;1548733621;*;asciilifeform bbl,meat
1890476;1548735695;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/01/huawei-and-cfo-meng-wanzhou-charged-by-usg/ << Qntra -- Huawei And CFO Meng Wanzhou Charged By USG
1890477;1548737617;asciilifeform;^ pehbot updated
1890478;1548737625;asciilifeform;!!up pehbot
1890479;1548737626;deedbot;pehbot voiced for 30 minutes.
1890480;1548737643;asciilifeform;!A .bfa17dc7 .2 P #
1890481;1548737643;pehbot;asciilifeform: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
1890482;1548737645;asciilifeform;!A .bfa17dc7 .3 P #
1890483;1548737646;pehbot;asciilifeform: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
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1890485;1548737648;pehbot;asciilifeform: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
1890486;1548737650;asciilifeform;!A .bfa17dc7 .7 P #
1890487;1548737650;pehbot;asciilifeform: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
1890488;1548737653;asciilifeform;!A .bfa17dc7 .B P #
1890489;1548737654;pehbot;asciilifeform: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001
1890490;1548737671;asciilifeform;!A ??G #
1890491;1548737671;pehbot;asciilifeform: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000002
1890492;1548737698;asciilifeform;!A ?"#?P #
1890493;1548737698;pehbot;asciilifeform: 93F566D27CF0CD79C402E7C206D62C09F4C5C8E6FE43D162EDA1DA8524F9BBB50000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001
1890494;1548737713;asciilifeform;!A ?"#?P #
1890495;1548737714;pehbot;asciilifeform: EC3766985E382AA28BF446C6FEE171DA225C05DA80A38D03B1FF3828CEF243300000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001
1890496;1548737716;asciilifeform;etc
1890497;1548737784;asciilifeform;!A .14f5d5 .2 P #
1890498;1548737784;pehbot;asciilifeform: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
1890499;1548737787;asciilifeform;!A .14f5d5 .3 P #
1890500;1548737787;pehbot;asciilifeform: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
1890501;1548737790;asciilifeform;!A .14f5d5 .5 P #
1890502;1548737790;pehbot;asciilifeform: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001
1890503;1548737811;asciilifeform;^ 343413 is smallest composite for which 2 and 3 are liars
1890504;1548737877;asciilifeform;!A .400286bac15132db85b1c936709f369b .3 P #
1890505;1548737878;pehbot;asciilifeform: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001
1890506;1548737910;asciilifeform;^ from http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-27#1890343, where gmp still manages to die on it
1890507;1548737910;a111;Logged on 2019-01-27 23:14 asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/rk4Qe/?raw=true << ascii snapshot of same.
1890508;1548738590;asciilifeform;!A .7f.1LS.1-
1890509;1548738590;pehbot;asciilifeform:
1890510;1548738594;asciilifeform;err,
1890511;1548738595;asciilifeform;!A .7f.1LS.1-#
1890512;1548738595;pehbot;asciilifeform: 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000FD
1890513;1548738615;asciilifeform;err,
1890514;1548738627;asciilifeform;.1.7fLS.1-#
1890515;1548738630;asciilifeform;!A .1.7fLS.1-#
1890516;1548738631;pehbot;asciilifeform: 000000000000000000000000000000007FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
1890517;1548738641;asciilifeform;!A .1.7fLS.1- .3 P #
1890518;1548738641;pehbot;asciilifeform: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
1890519;1548738644;asciilifeform;there we go.
1890520;1548738653;asciilifeform;!!down pehbot
1890521;1548738683;*;asciilifeform to bed.
1890522;1548739117;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-22#1889120 <--> http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-29#1890470
1890523;1548739117;a111;Logged on 2019-01-22 07:34 mircea_popescu: the problem is, cartels not particularly impressed with usg these days. all was needed to keep assad in power was russia, but a colombia-venezuela-mexico wondertriangle is a lot easier defended.
1890524;1548739117;a111;Logged on 2019-01-29 03:04 BingoBoingo: The latest noise is stroked out John Bolton doing a press conference while holding a notepad with 5000 troops to Colombia written on it. https://archive.is/TYi6x
1890525;1548739797;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-28#1890447 << rather a meaningless move, venezuela confiscated degrees of magnitude more in "foreign investment" etc.
1890526;1548739797;a111;Logged on 2019-01-28 17:47 BingoBoingo: Airstrip One probably made some smooth pitch about how doing so was the only demonstration they would accept if Vzla wanted access to their fx markets. But... unlike republican spain was not in the gold extraction business... empire running away and all that, Vzla is.
1890527;1548739815;mircea_popescu;problem is, you can only shoot hostage once.
1890528;1548740734;mircea_popescu;anyway, should be lulzy to see if china moves in to buy the oil.
1890529;1548740777;BingoBoingo;I see no reason they and Mexico wouldn't
1890530;1548744699;mircea_popescu;anyway, since there's ~0 results FROM ACTUAL FUCKING VENEZUELA on any kind of google/bing/duckduckgo/whatever the fuck for a search of venezuela, let's link here some actual venues :
1890531;1548744747;mircea_popescu;http://www.2001.com.ve/en-la-agenda/200698/colombia-dice-no-tener-informacion-sobre-anotacion-de-tropas-de-jhon-bolton.html
1890532;1548744758;mircea_popescu;http://www.eluniversal.com/politica/31689/maduro-nuestra-diplomacia-esta-basada-en-el-respeto-al-derecho-internacional
1890533;1548744787;mircea_popescu;http://www.correodelorinoco.gob.ve/presidente-maduro-retirar-la-serie-del-caribe-2019-de-venezuela-es-una-decision-ideologica/
1890534;1548744828;mircea_popescu;http://www.ultimasnoticias.com.ve/noticias/politica/mas-de-60-organizaciones-denunciaron-ante-cidh-golpe-de-estado-en-venezuela/
1890535;1548744843;mircea_popescu;http://ciudadccs.info/reanudada-relacion-comercial-venezuela-aruba-curazao-bonaire/
1890536;1548744870;mircea_popescu;http://www.meridiano.com.ve/chica-meridiano/734/Diana+Jaramillo.html
1890537;1548744887;mircea_popescu;http://www.liderendeportes.com/noticias/baseball/otorgan-a-panama-sede-de-la-serie-del-caribe/
1890538;1548744986;mircea_popescu;there's certainly no better reason to read whatever http://trilema.com/2017/i-think-they-might-be-overdoing-it-in-places/#selection-35.0-35.52 esltards on the topic. exactly like that ro kid, they've got nothing to say an' no particular skill in sayin' it.
1890539;1548745212;mircea_popescu;point in case : Maryhen Jimenez Morales ("is a PhD candidate in politics at University of Oxford.") : " the system of personalised power and governance which the country has experienced for decades did not begin with Hugo Chavez ; The charismatic aristocrat Simon Bolivar ; He was a man in search of glory and a military officer who believed in top-down decision-making. ; The caudillo rule did not disappear with Bolivar's death
1890540;1548745212;mircea_popescu;. His successors, including Jose Antonio Paez, Antonio Guzman Blanco, or Juan Vincente Gomez followed in his footsteps towards personalised power. ; they were more preoccupied with personal aggrandisement than building strong institutions in the the nascent Venezuelan state. ; Personalised power, elitism and authoritarianism continued to dominate the Venezuelan political arena ; His only focus should be on building alliances
1890541;1548745213;mircea_popescu;and public consensus around the idea of restoring broad-based institutional democracy in Venezuela." bla bla bla bla bla in that inept vein untill she falls over.
1890542;1548745231;mircea_popescu;in other words, it's perfectly fucking clear ~what exactly~ the talking cunthead dun like about venezuela, and the world in general.
1890543;1548746780;diana_coman;yay, m-r on ffa; now I'll really have to schedule ffa feast during breaks from work, lol
1890544;1548776335;BingoBoingo;Well, that does explain why the CIA picked such a manicured numale in the tradition of Canada's princess, and France's Ms. Blakkked. Ty for feeding the local media outlets.
1890545;1548776477;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/Rn0Gp << for thread-completeness, orlol on ukrazuela.
1890546;1548776502;asciilifeform;'...Bolton did one better and called him “guiado” which could be Spanish for “remote-controlled.” (Was that a Freudian slip or just another one of Bolton’s senior moments?)' etc
1890547;1548780041;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile in local news, trash drama continues in other barrios https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/crisis-en-adeom-los-radicales-renunciaron-a-sus-cargos-y-varela-no-es-mas-el-presidente--201912819954
1890548;1548780201;BingoBoingo;And police dude killed responding to a rapiña (which is a type of robbery) https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/mataron-a-un-policia-en-villa-espanol-2019128195541
1890549;1548780784;asciilifeform;meanwhile as of ch16a: libffa : 5142 loc ; ffacalc : 1279; for total 6421 (incl. readme, manifest, comments.)
1890550;1548782096;asciilifeform;the only 'heavy' component remaining to weld on, is keccakism.
1890551;1548782356;asciilifeform;guten tag , mircea_popescu
1890552;1548782360;mircea_popescu;hola!
1890553;1548782384;mircea_popescu;so apparently took >1k pics on latest harem outing. wtf am i gonna do ;/
1890554;1548782404;asciilifeform;animatedgif!111
1890555;1548782430;asciilifeform;( shrink'em to 64x64 pixels and... )
1890556;1548782441;mircea_popescu;bahahaha what is this, brasil ?
1890557;1548782468;asciilifeform;lol
1890558;1548782631;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu et al : anybody have a handy piece of bash to count ~nonempty~ lines in a dir ?
1890559;1548782654;mircea_popescu;in all files in a dir you mean ?
1890560;1548782659;asciilifeform;aha, recurse
1890561;1548782686;mircea_popescu;find . -name '*.php' | xargs wc -l or w/e it is you want
1890562;1548782697;asciilifeform;that dundoit
1890563;1548782700;asciilifeform;it counts empties
1890564;1548782721;mircea_popescu;empty line is what, nothing but 0x04 on it ?
1890565;1548782751;asciilifeform;0a yea
1890566;1548782794;mod6;I think something like `grep -v "^$"` will give you all the non-empty lines from a file.
1890567;1548782830;mod6;Just combine that with your find/xargs and you should have it.
1890568;1548782831;asciilifeform;nope
1890569;1548782840;asciilifeform;gives entire file.
1890570;1548782876;mod6;aight.
1890571;1548782900;asciilifeform;grep -P '\S' file apparently does tho.
1890572;1548783010;asciilifeform;cat * |  grep -P '\S' | wc -l  in ea. dir does the job.
1890573;1548783028;asciilifeform;this gives 4013 (libffa) , 1047 (ffacalc) .
1890574;1548783033;asciilifeform;approx. what i estimated.
1890575;1548783253;asciilifeform;comments ( grep -P '^\s*--' ) turn out to be 1835 ln in libffa and 390 in ffacalc.
1890576;1548783303;asciilifeform;ada does not permit multiline comments a la cpp, so this was easier than expected.
1890577;1548783432;BingoBoingo;So 4013 lines of which 1835 are comments and 1047 of which 390 are comments?
1890578;1548783448;asciilifeform;correct
1890579;1548783451;BingoBoingo;tyvm
1890580;1548783558;asciilifeform;total mass of the sores, to complete the thread, stands at 256kB.
1890581;1548783584;asciilifeform;( just about exactly. )
1890582;1548783713;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/01/constant-time-miller-rabin-test-added-to-finite-field-arithmetic/ << Qntra -- Constant Time Miller-Rabin Test Added To Finite Field Arithmetic
1890583;1548783717;asciilifeform;lol
1890584;1548783739;BingoBoingo;What lol, biggest possible news of the day.
1890585;1548783745;asciilifeform;heh
1890586;1548783866;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: to nitpick, s/in Barrett's Modular Reduction/in modular exponentiation/ , koch dun use barrett ( he uses montgomery, which dies on even numbers, lol )
1890587;1548783925;BingoBoingo;ty, fxd
1890588;1548784132;BingoBoingo;Until mp handles his camera roll, this is looking like the second place contender http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/BDawt/?raw=true
1890589;1548784175;asciilifeform;what was this ?
1890590;1548784245;BingoBoingo;Drama at Duke med school, email sent to students by some apparachick
1890591;1548784327;BingoBoingo;Apparently they want the Chicoms accomodate the white worm desire for an English Single Language bubble
1890592;1548784347;asciilifeform;at asciilifeform's local uni, even decade ago engineering, maffs, etc. were ~solid china ( + a bit of india ). these days even moar solid -- evidently they didn't get the memo yet, that miami is full
1890593;1548784472;BingoBoingo;Do the Chinese and Indians even want Miami? I suspect they have their own favored cities for capture.
1890594;1548784480;asciilifeform;the greater miami.
1890595;1548784518;asciilifeform;y'know, that thing they think they're going to when they buy ticket.
1890596;1548784530;BingoBoingo;aha
1890597;1548784675;BingoBoingo;For a sample of the local memes https://i.redd.it/sy0ltggru9d21.jpg The larger pink area in the overlay is "Departamento 21 de Uruguay"
1890598;1548784762;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: elaborate ?
1890599;1548784822;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Given Argentina's long sink into irrelevancy, the locals tend to think of Argentina as a diseased extension of Uruguay.
1890600;1548784927;asciilifeform;aa lol
1890601;1548785059;BingoBoingo;A lot of the current Uruguayo malaise is being blamed on Mujica/RaulSendic/Kircher/Macri Kirchner and Macri can flip places, but that's roughly the order of blame assignment
1890602;1548785623;BingoBoingo;Though this week the big fount of discontent is the heatwave and blue freshwater of Montevideo's beaches.
1890603;1548785699;BingoBoingo;(To be clear the blue problem is Cyanobacteria)
1890604;1548785751;BingoBoingo;My chunk of the Rio de la Plata has a problem which is the bane of retention ponds and small creeks back in old country
1890605;1548785798;asciilifeform;re argintines, somehow i entirely escaped finding out about 'villa-31' ( http://ru-ar.ru/villa31 notbad www re subj ) , rio-style favela right inside b-a
1890606;1548786458;*;BingoBoingo was under the impression most cities containing over 250,000 bipeds were majority favela by land area 
1890607;1548786490;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: seems like it'sa right & proper favela, complete with zero signs on Official maps & 100% pinched mains current
1890608;1548786635;BingoBoingo;On this side of the river they keep the streets labeled while doing 100% pinched mains current. At least until the police do one of their post-dawn raids on a local "boca de pasta" and the electricity police accompany to "regularize" the pinched mains.
1890609;1548786698;asciilifeform;the ru d00d's www is interesting, he makes living in buenosaires by giving ru folx guided tours. and his descriptions of the place moar or less concur with mircea_popescu's : 'unprofessionalism in all possible venues: quality of service in restaurant; lawyers who have nfi about law; clerks who cannot count; cabbies that ask you to show'em the way; barbers who cannot shave... you will wonder why argentines in the airport coming back f
1890610;1548786698;asciilifeform;rom eu are carrying vacuum cleaners, tv sets, computers... country of deficits, like ye olde su'
1890611;1548786757;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: apparently 'villa-31' standing for half century+ with 0 raids
1890612;1548786832;BingoBoingo;The Uruguayo raids are a new phenomenon
1890613;1548786994;BingoBoingo;Apparently at some point the local socialists called up Rudy Giulianni for advice on countering petty crime. But... the pichis still get their pasta base and the number of rapiñas keep climbing.
1890614;1548787119;BingoBoingo;And the kids from Cerro keep coming into Pocitos and Buceo to spray the name of their Barrio on my Rambla
1890615;1548787207;*;BingoBoingo doubts spray painting "Pocitos" on everything in Cerro would deter them instead of encouraging the behavior. Most of the graffiti from my earliest walks in Montevideo survives, including and especially the low effort tagging.
1890616;1548787403;spyked;apologies for the feedbot join-part spam. the latest outage has helped me discover a subtle bug in pm message delivery; feedbot checks whether a nick is online using the ison irc command, and it didn't handle the corner case when the ison response is empty.
1890617;1548787446;spyked;service should be restored now.
1890618;1548798363;feedbot;http://bimbo.club/2019/01/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-june-july-and-august-1715-part-iv/ << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of June, July and August, 1715. - Part IV.
1890619;1548805635;mod6;-19 deg F., tonight -30
1890620;1548805649;mod6;my hands are so numb, can barely even type.
1890621;1548806005;BingoBoingo;Extraño el frío verdad.
1890622;1548806470;mod6;Si?
1890623;1548806970;BingoBoingo;The lack of freeze here seems to contribute to the softness of the locals
1890624;1548806983;mod6;I can imagine.
1890625;1548807530;asciilifeform;mod6: evidently you dun have enuff comps running!11
1890626;1548807546;*;asciilifeform finds himself frequently opening window in torture room even in winter
1890627;1548807575;mod6;lol.
1890628;1548807579;mod6;im building a cuntoo right now.
1890629;1548807586;asciilifeform;neato
1890630;1548807591;mod6;trying to generate some more heat
1890631;1548807596;mod6;gotta get some miners in here
1890632;1548807614;asciilifeform;lol
1890633;1548807640;*;asciilifeform has no miners, but kilowatt or so of old-fashioned pc, + displays
1890634;1548808632;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-29#1890605 << pretty sure i included pics.
1890635;1548808632;a111;Logged on 2019-01-29 18:16 asciilifeform: re argintines, somehow i entirely escaped finding out about 'villa-31' ( http://ru-ar.ru/villa31 notbad www re subj ) , rio-style favela right inside b-a
1890636;1548808654;asciilifeform;oh hm was ~that~ where 'river of piss'
1890637;1548808664;mircea_popescu;the problem is not even that it exists, but that it fails to produce the mireilles d'arc one'd expect, ie slender hungry young hotties.
1890638;1548808692;asciilifeform;the linked ru d00d confirms, apparently filled with 'metre + hat' fuglies
1890639;1548808717;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that was right next to a "high value" site of pomposity further north ; in truth there's a LOT of these in the city of "nightlife" that dun exist and "university professors" with the socks bought on credit.
1890640;1548808764;mircea_popescu;https://www.elles-se-mettent-nues-pour-nous.fr/photos/actrice/m_darc_bonus.jpg << mireille d'arc, for the innocent.
1890641;1548808867;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-29#1890610 << nothing like ye olde su. 100% like ye present us / somalia / zululand etc.
1890642;1548808867;a111;Logged on 2019-01-29 18:31 asciilifeform: rom eu are carrying vacuum cleaners, tv sets, computers... country of deficits, like ye olde su'
1890643;1548808878;mircea_popescu;deficits, principally biological. old su, deficits principally material.
1890644;1548809032;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu's episode with the space heater was distinctly reminiscent of late-su
1890645;1548809084;mircea_popescu;because improvised heaters because insane law against heating because etc.
1890646;1548809100;mircea_popescu;whereas argentards, no law, they supply the constraint naturally -- be being indescribable morons.
1890647;1548809143;mircea_popescu;similarily they don't WRITE anything. su had samizdat BECAUSE REASONS. argentina doesn't have it, nor does it have said reasons. because NO NEED to. might as well pass legislation to forbid cattle the making of stalin jokes.
1890648;1548809149;mircea_popescu;when's the last time a cow made a stalin joke ?
1890649;1548809324;asciilifeform;i find it mind-boggling that 'biological deficit'. where , for instance, did the 2+mil germans go ?
1890650;1548809331;asciilifeform;extinct ? how?
1890651;1548809342;mircea_popescu;i have nfi.
1890652;1548809364;mircea_popescu;and for all the "white supremacist" morons : no fucking wonder they dun wanna discuss argentina.
1890653;1548809388;asciilifeform;by any reasonable expectation, place oughta have turned into n-th reich, compl. with biergartens & lederhosen
1890654;1548809388;mircea_popescu;whiter than 80%+ of the us ; as dumb as anything in the congo basin.
1890655;1548809403;mircea_popescu;i suspect the italians are a terrible import.
1890656;1548809415;asciilifeform;the italians went in 1st tho, neh?
1890657;1548809418;asciilifeform;mid-1800s
1890658;1548809445;mircea_popescu;they kept wenting, 1800s through 1950s.
1890659;1548809508;asciilifeform;http://ru-ar.ru/armia << lulzy, .ar army , '40s-'50s
1890660;1548809508;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-29#1890613 << in any approach, this is roughly the issue in vzla also : socialists tryna hard to discuss their internal problems, wholly owned and entirely due TO SOCIALISM in terms of external influence. trotsky was "fascist" don't you know, and maduro is "authoritarian" and whatnot.
1890661;1548809508;a111;Logged on 2019-01-29 18:36 BingoBoingo: Apparently at some point the local socialists called up Rudy Giulianni for advice on countering petty crime. But... the pichis still get their pasta base and the number of rapiñas keep climbing.
1890662;1548809527;mircea_popescu;bullshit. thew problem with socialism, "authoritatian" or "democratic" or blue or green is THAT IT IS SOCIALISM.
1890663;1548809549;mircea_popescu;as proven by the fact that ~any~ non-socialism, authoritarian, democratic or howsoever else, is just fucking fine.
1890664;1548809578;mircea_popescu;but no, gotta talk around the bush, "how should a streetwalker to her make-up to improve her marriage prospects."
1890665;1548809589;mircea_popescu;cuz totally it's because of the makeup, wut.
1890666;1548810161;asciilifeform;'ru-ar' d00d described 'month -- euphoria, then reality sets in when so happens you want a faucet fixed, or tooth capped, or to buy power brick for lappy' etc
1890667;1548810403;mircea_popescu;quite.
1890668;1548810435;mircea_popescu;it's hard to imagine you're in a 20mn strong stockyards sprawling 2-3x the surface area of new york
1890669;1548810454;mircea_popescu;it's constantly a "man, i must just not know where the society gathers / parties are / nightlife happens" etc.
1890670;1548810529;mircea_popescu;this lasts as long as it lasts, but if you're actually me and task girls with finding it, and then they (incomprehensibly, and inexplicably) fail and so you cut the town up into squares and have them search it square by square and still NOTHJING turns up, eventually however many months later you can answer authoritatively : the stockyards are bereft of society.
1890671;1548810588;BingoBoingo;Anyways, some ESL leftists picked up something a Uruguayo "scientific historian"/"national systems" professor wrote in an English translation. It's being chopped up for blog.
1890672;1548810599;asciilifeform;'best magician cannot pull rabbit from hat unless there is actually a rabit in the hat' or how did it go.
1890673;1548810777;asciilifeform;fwiw i liked ar as a coupla-day thing, but can't picture it being so great to have to get on a plane erry time want tooth filled , buy some irons, etc
1890674;1548810919;asciilifeform;i dun have a squadron of searchers to 'square by square', either.
1890675;1548812266;mircea_popescu;you also had the benefit of you know, passive enjoyment of ye above work.
1890676;1548813159;asciilifeform;verily
1890677;1548817331;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2019/la-paz-adica-pacea/ << Trilema -- La Paz, adica pacea.
1890678;1548820543;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in child porn, http://images.igavelauctions.com/x/161/Co44972/x38a.jpg
1890679;1548821265;asciilifeform;meanwhile, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2978&cpage=1#comment-19781
1890680;1548821275;asciilifeform;( iirc somebody asked diana_coman same q once )
1890681;1548824118;feedbot;http://thewhet.net/2019/01/recreation/ << The Whet -- Recreation
1890682;1548833746;diana_coman;asciilifeform, I don't know if anyone asked - I've stated it in the blogpost in clear just the same
1890683;1548850228;feedbot;http://explo.yt/post/2018/03/25/CoinBr-going-offline << serialized delusions -- CoinBr broker going offline
1890684;1548852305;diana_coman;jurov, admittedly I never used CoinBr so don't know much of its previous online presence but I always thought "online" for such a thing meant mpex-style i.e. anyway gpg-based , no?
1890685;1548852606;jurov;diana_coman: mpex does have website that accepts orders in real time
1890686;1548852649;jurov;I'm be doing any requests manually, not in realtime, hence "offline"
1890687;1548852698;diana_coman;I got that part; my surprise was re why is "accepting gpg-signed orders online" a problem for coinbr given the working model of mpex
1890688;1548852761;diana_coman;it's anyway a realtime-without-guarantees afaik: it eats your order online, sure, but it processes it when it gets to it
1890689;1548852898;jurov;No idea if it's still so, but mpex consisted of proxies directly wired to the order processing backend. Only deposits/withdrawals were processed by hand.
1890690;1548852956;diana_coman;so to put this straight: are you saying that the model you describe (proxies directly wired to the order processing backed) would be a liability for CoinBr or what?
1890691;1548853022;jurov;yes, the way I built it (webinterface where you log in) became a liability
1890692;1548853052;diana_coman;but then simply change the interface, following existing non-liability model; what am I missing?
1890693;1548853078;diana_coman;sure, log in is a liability,fine; so no login, but it doesn't follow no online
1890694;1548853148;jurov;I will change the interface when there's any interest. There was no usage past year at all. So, no interface, no online processing, for now.
1890695;1548853254;diana_coman;ah, so that's the part that was missing: there is no interest for an online interface
1890696;1548853290;diana_coman;that way I can at least see it, thanks for clarifying, jurov
1890697;1548858320;Mocky;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-30#1890659 << ha, nice sidecar. makes it the motorcycle precursor to nascar... right turns not needed. plus good luck reaching that hand clutch
1890698;1548858320;a111;Logged on 2019-01-30 00:51 asciilifeform: http://ru-ar.ru/armia << lulzy, .ar army , '40s-'50s
1890699;1548863321;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-30#1890690 << probably because he wants to personally eye all txns, like trinque . there's been a "no automated processes" wind blowinfg for many years.
1890700;1548863321;a111;Logged on 2019-01-30 12:55 diana_coman: so to put this straight: are you saying that the model you describe (proxies directly wired to the order processing backed) would be a liability for CoinBr or what?
1890701;1548864546;asciilifeform;it makes perfect sense if the job 'fits in hands'
1890702;1548864556;asciilifeform;e.g. asciilifeform tested FG's by hand.
1890703;1548864600;mircea_popescu;i didn't have what to argue against it back in 2016 or w/e it started (not that i didn't see it coming, either) and i've not found anything hence. so...
1890704;1548864652;asciilifeform;imho the only possible arg against it is if you have e.g. 2 hands but 500 worth of process. but evidently jurov , trinque , et al had <= 2 hands worth
1890705;1548864707;asciilifeform;iirc mircea_popescu was the orig 'lead by example' in subj, ran (part of?) his reactor by hand
1890706;1548864741;mircea_popescu;true enough.
1890707;1548864890;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-30#1890697 << it's a classic 'blitzkrieg' zundapp . ( somehow asciilifeform thought that the item is ~instantly recognizable to erryone alive )
1890708;1548864890;a111;Logged on 2019-01-30 14:25 Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-30#1890659 << ha, nice sidecar. makes it the motorcycle precursor to nascar... right turns not needed. plus good luck reaching that hand clutch
1890709;1548864944;asciilifeform;Mocky: see also http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-05#1878439
1890710;1548864944;a111;Logged on 2018-12-05 02:36 asciilifeform: https://archive.is/YgtWB << subj, in its natural state
1890711;1548865221;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: seems like your crate sprang free from purgatory this morning, and moving
1890712;1548866560;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i recently reread your series re primes, and found http://ossasepia.com/2018/01/04/eucrypt-chapter-4-random-prime-number-generator/#selection-111.241-117.155 interesting -- koch fermats 1st, but this dun actually save any cpu under any circumstances. pretty lulzy.
1890713;1548866610;asciilifeform;( as i understand, in koch world fermat test uses ~exactly same # of cycles as 1 shot of m-r )
1890714;1548866711;diana_coman;asciilifeform, read also next para as in any case there isn't much point to not do M-R if you do it at all
1890715;1548866723;asciilifeform;ah heh
1890716;1548866735;*;asciilifeform was going from paper notes, lol
1890717;1548866737;diana_coman;but well, it probably all comes from "yes, but we don't do it properly and therefore..."
1890718;1548866755;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: tyvm, going to investigate
1890719;1548866775;asciilifeform;diana_coman: '0.61 seconds per iteration of M-R' is also lulzy , in context of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-24#1889742
1890720;1548866775;a111;Logged on 2019-01-24 00:46 asciilifeform: 0.413s for 2048.
1890721;1548866791;asciilifeform;loox like a replay of the http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2906 thing.
1890722;1548866965;asciilifeform;arguably this one's even moar outrageous, koch manages to lose even tho he uses miniscule bases in his modexp (in m-r)
1890723;1548867076;Mocky;asciilifeform re zundapp, leaving aside that it dun look much like a classic blitzkrieg bike to me, I'm commenting on the massive side car that makes the pictured item factually unusable, even with windshield removed
1890724;1548867083;asciilifeform;by naive expectation, his (faux)m-r oughta me 1000-2000x faster than mine
1890725;1548867110;asciilifeform;Mocky: the krauts used'em, by all accts worked a++
1890726;1548867167;asciilifeform;( exactly how they did turns, i do not know , but was pretty good all-terrain ride and valuable as spoils , and for many yrs in su they could be seen puttering about )
1890727;1548867190;Mocky;bullshit, no one used a bike that can't turn right for anything except ridicule. it was used with a proper side car!
1890728;1548867220;asciilifeform;Mocky: perhaps i'm thick, but why precisely can the pictured machine not turn right ?
1890729;1548867296;Mocky;handlebar is in contact with the sidecar
1890730;1548867323;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-30#1890713 << the fundamental problem with these amateur cryptographers (as well as with other amateur everythings, from amateur presidents of the united states to amateur socioideologues on fetlife )  is that they go by what "is" rather than by what ~does~.
1890731;1548867323;a111;Logged on 2019-01-30 16:43 asciilifeform: ( as i understand, in koch world fermat test uses ~exactly same # of cycles as 1 shot of m-r )
1890732;1548867341;mircea_popescu;koch is implementing fermat because fermat ~is~ the test, not because fermat ~does~ something.
1890733;1548867384;mircea_popescu;then koch expects to be hired because koch ~is~, whatever the hell he might be, polite, pedigreed, mit-degreed, "famous" in the smartphone sense etcetera.
1890734;1548867384;Mocky;asciilifeform: maybe my eye is misreading the perspective, which would make more sense, but that's how it looks to me
1890735;1548867385;asciilifeform;Mocky: i dun drive these things, but iirc there is some free play b/w sidecar and bike
1890736;1548867408;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is consistent with the overall picture.
1890737;1548867412;mircea_popescu;ars amandi, enough said.
1890738;1548867424;asciilifeform;good % of what's in koch's thing, cannot be explained in any other way.
1890739;1548867470;mircea_popescu;it ALL comes right back down to ye olde http://trilema.com/2016/a-story-of-men/#selection-89.280-89.533 ; romantic notions of love cca 1800s readily map on romantic notions of the world around more generally, hence the amatorial outlook.
1890740;1548867504;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: for bonus lulz, there is also the 'duct tape' hypothesis. iirc in zimmerman's orig. 'pgp', ~straight fermat~ ( carmichaelizable! ) was used as the sole litmus.
1890741;1548867507;mircea_popescu;and yes, this is exactly what amateur means : one who expects things to work like she imagines copulation works, ie, "love".
1890742;1548867512;asciilifeform;so possible that koch 'duct taped' m-r onto it.
1890743;1548867554;mircea_popescu;that nobody happened to visit the facts of life re the latter upon her sorry ass is a particularly harmful coincidence : way the fuck cheaper to not rape some random walflower, being awkward in a corner. way WAY the fuck more expensive to keep large integers from laughing at kock.
1890744;1548867589;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and what do we call the african-argentine plumber who puts in new pipe without taking out old pipe ? "amateur", rite.
1890745;1548867659;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: we have these here, and they even openly advertise, e.g. 'we'll cement new bathtub into yer old one! 3x cheaper!' etc
1890746;1548867684;mircea_popescu;heh.
1890747;1548867691;asciilifeform;i always picture the result of 5-6 iterations of these, sumthing that loox perhaps like steel mill crucible
1890748;1548867698;asciilifeform;bathtub-footprint, bucket volume
1890749;1548867727;mircea_popescu;Mocky the item depicted ran on all terain, ~50kmph or so.
1890750;1548867743;mircea_popescu;and all-terain in a war thorn europe means some shit re artillery holes and such
1890751;1548867758;asciilifeform;in my mind zundapp is ~the~ 'definitive' motorbike
1890752;1548867810;asciilifeform;( for post-war su, defo was, to the point that even present-day export market 'ural' is ~exact clone afaik )
1890753;1548867863;Mocky;in my mind zundapp has reversed hand levers and curved license plate on front fender, although I know not all did
1890754;1548867885;asciilifeform;likely the argentines fucked it
1890755;1548867885;mircea_popescu;they're not really very good. modern bmws way the fuck better bikes.
1890756;1548867936;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: asciilifeform's mechanic (argentine emigre, incidentally) bought 1 coupla yrs ago. the bugger's huge.
1890757;1548867937;mircea_popescu; http://motosantiguashd.com/dev/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/ks7-13.jpg << genuine period attachment.
1890758;1548867949;asciilifeform;engine easily as big as toyota 4wheel's
1890759;1548867959;mircea_popescu;a man ~fired~ that thing while being driven around. and some exceptional teams even arose, much like ye olde man-horse dualities of the red skins or parthians
1890760;1548867978;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah but extremely stable and maneuvrable.
1890761;1548867992;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i picture zundapp as invariably with that mg.
1890762;1548868006;asciilifeform;to the point that 1st time i saw one on actual street, sans mg34, felt 'wrong'
1890763;1548868030;mircea_popescu;that machinegun, incidentally, had more fucking recoil than current toyota engine has torquw
1890764;1548868033;Mocky;yes those are the hand levers can curved plates
1890765;1548868035;mircea_popescu;torque*
1890766;1548868045;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: heh, what was it, 2000 rounds/min ?
1890767;1548868048;asciilifeform;iirc
1890768;1548868136;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i do wonder if the bmw monster's 300 horse, would actually make any useful diff in mud road, vs. the classic zundapp's 10
1890769;1548868140;mircea_popescu;something outright naval
1890770;1548868171;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform very much so, yes. higher power engine can work slower.
1890771;1548868182;asciilifeform;aa in low gear
1890772;1548868222;asciilifeform;the krauts weren't exactly drowning in cheap petrol tho
1890773;1548868287;mircea_popescu;tru. also, contemporary engine would have been a piece of art in 1940s, irreproducible with current tech
1890774;1548868302;asciilifeform;also tru
1890775;1548868322;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu's current ride quite likely has moarhorse than 'king tiger' etc
1890776;1548868354;mircea_popescu;hence ye http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-16#1887612 complaint.
1890777;1548868354;a111;Logged on 2019-01-16 16:05 mircea_popescu: it's a pretty sweet item, except for one point : its twin engines together less power than bartholomew.
1890778;1548868414;asciilifeform;building sumthing like today's motor , in the last reich, would be 'clockmaker' job ( hand-polish the parts to tolerance ? ), and defo nonstarter at scale, yea
1890779;1548868501;asciilifeform;the aviation engine folx -- tried.
1890780;1548868557;asciilifeform;( ~that~ , as i understand, is where a coupla extra horse per kg, is 'life & death' q )
1890781;1548869830;asciilifeform;in other lullies, https://duckduckgo.com/?q=miller+rabin+constant+time << seems like we're the only folx who ever showed detectable symptom of giving a shit..
1890782;1548870418;asciilifeform;in other noose, hats off to BingoBoingo's orccraft, <6day from asciilifeform ordering rk to BingoBoingo uncrating !
1890783;1548870482;BingoBoingo;I am planning to emplace the new Rockchip tomorrow. No downtime is planned, but removing the old and placing the new is going to take some dexterity.
1890784;1548870553;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: when you're there, plox to stuff a new disk into dulap so i can breathe life into it
1890785;1548870558;asciilifeform;for the new rk.
1890786;1548870574;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Will do
1890787;1548870596;asciilifeform;let's reimage its sd also, ping me when it's time.
1890788;1548870604;asciilifeform;( can use card from the dead unit )
1890789;1548870906;asciilifeform;meanwhile, http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch16_miller_rabin.kv << ty phf !
1890790;1548871998;mircea_popescu;and in updates : http://trilema.com/republican-thesaurus/#selection-43.0-73.1
1890791;1548872011;mircea_popescu;(i think it makes a rather subtle point, so discussion particularly welcome)
1890792;1548872299;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i thought 'amateur' is simply what's left when you subtract folx who bake for money.
1890793;1548872315;asciilifeform;( in that respect, koch is arguably 'professional', entirely bought an' paid for by microshit et al )
1890794;1548872318;mircea_popescu;it seems to be the older definition, but it's fucking meaningless.
1890795;1548872343;mircea_popescu;somali-argentine "professionals" ain't.
1890796;1548872379;mircea_popescu;and if i hire douchebag to douchebag for a while, he's still an amateur.
1890797;1548872489;asciilifeform;imho 'charlatan' is perfectly adequate description of ~these~
1890798;1548872558;mircea_popescu;i'm telling you, amateur is one who expects the world to "play nice" in whatever random definition he comes up with because daddy had the common fucking decency to not rape 'em while they were growing up, SO THEREFORE!!!
1890799;1548872571;mircea_popescu;koch application of fermat DIRECTLY maps on the above "random definition".
1890800;1548872677;asciilifeform;dunno, peddling snake oil for money is not what i associate with 'amateur'; it's quackery. amateur typically writes 'into desk' and doesn't pollute environment. tho i suppose 'open sores' is changing this.
1890801;1548872810;mircea_popescu;amateur surgeons do exist.
1890802;1548872814;mircea_popescu;they "help people fight cancer"
1890803;1548872819;mircea_popescu;guess how ?
1890804;1548872822;asciilifeform;that'd be quackery, neh
1890805;1548872826;mircea_popescu;cuz unsurprisingly enough, namecalling figures massively.
1890806;1548872854;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform quackery is the particular word for amateur medicine. high time for amateur engineering to get a specific word too, but not the end of ther world to wait for it.
1890807;1548872870;asciilifeform;opensores!111
1890808;1548872898;mircea_popescu;and see, aware fraudster very different from amateur.
1890809;1548872910;asciilifeform;pretty sure koch is 100% aware.
1890810;1548872917;mircea_popescu;the woman that fixed the antique jesus picture was amateur reconditioner of old frescoes.
1890811;1548872944;mircea_popescu;various mammies crowding the us congress building -- amateur Mothers of Their Country
1890812;1548872946;mircea_popescu;and so following.
1890813;1548872951;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i do not believe he is.
1890814;1548872959;Mocky;seems like an intentional amateur (amateur pilot) is different from an oblivious amateur
1890815;1548872971;*;asciilifeform vaguely suspects that 'potato jizzus' is moar famous , sadly, than the orig painting nao
1890816;1548872977;mircea_popescu;what's an amateur pilot here ?
1890817;1548872985;asciilifeform;e.g. trinque
1890818;1548872987;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform depends in which crowd.
1890819;1548872996;asciilifeform;iirc he flies, but not passengers/for fee
1890820;1548873001;Mocky;not paid to do it
1890821;1548873011;mircea_popescu;i hold this is an entirely spurious distinction.
1890822;1548873017;mircea_popescu;"paid". everything's ever paid.
1890823;1548873033;mircea_popescu;if i take a seat next to you in your car, the large cost is my sitting, the small cost is the money.
1890824;1548873045;asciilifeform;he flies himself, iirc , cuz likes the feel of the wind or etc.
1890825;1548873049;asciilifeform;at own expense.
1890826;1548873081;mircea_popescu;i can't imagine what diff does it make. if airline pilot flies his own cessna one day is now amateur ?
1890827;1548873124;mircea_popescu;you fly looking either in or out. if you fly looking out -- pro. if you fly looking in -- amateur.
1890828;1548873129;asciilifeform;as i understand, diff enuff activity that it is quite separate from what he does for living; and so amateur, just as he is amateur when plays chess
1890829;1548873130;mircea_popescu;comes from "love" for a FUCKING REASON.
1890830;1548873151;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and if kasparov plays with you and without an event purse -- amateur ?
1890831;1548873157;asciilifeform;what means to 'fly looking in' ?
1890832;1548873209;mircea_popescu;everyone has a conception of "how world should be", constructed essentially out of Mother in the positive and some "expectations" from personal history.
1890833;1548873220;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: e. lasker, for instance, was pro chessist, but amateur go
1890834;1548873241;mircea_popescu;if kasparov plays to win -- pro ; if kasparov plays to feel good about himself -- amateur. money dun enter into it, and proximity to other people entirely spurious socialism tendril.
1890835;1548873299;asciilifeform;i'm beginning to suspect that mircea_popescu is the last living troo subscriber of s. freud
1890836;1548873320;asciilifeform;( not that freud was wrong, even, re subj. )
1890837;1548873329;mircea_popescu;ammended but not rescinded, i guess i must be.
1890838;1548873359;mircea_popescu;consider though -- am i an AMATEUR writer ? and who's a professional, everyone on the nytimes list ? really ?
1890839;1548873399;mircea_popescu;i suppose stalin the definitive amateur, iirc never paid.
1890840;1548873407;asciilifeform;was about to say!
1890841;1548873411;mircea_popescu;obama, tho, that's a pro.
1890842;1548873447;asciilifeform;in a certain old sov children's cartoon there was a crocodile character who , when asked what is his profession, would answer 'i work as myself, there in the zoo'
1890843;1548873458;mircea_popescu;keks.
1890844;1548873531;mircea_popescu;my slaves cook. nobody pays them (of course, there's the http://trilema.com/2018/have-you-ever-paid-for-sex/#selection-35.137-39.757 problem to confound things). all sorta deepfry "cooks" hundred or ten thousand mile radius around you right now, paid to cook. do they ?
1890845;1548873532;asciilifeform;it rose to 'meme', tho, i've seen number of ru folx who 'graduated' from having to work for daily bread, refer to it.
1890846;1548873571;mircea_popescu;seems to me deepfry monkey essentially amateur ; my expert sluts as pro as it can possibly get.
1890847;1548873581;Mocky;I got paid to do some development for a game, but still would say amateur game developer
1890848;1548873642;mircea_popescu;and i also dispute there's any requirement of ~expertise~ for ~professionalism~. utter fucking bullshit of the confused and the definitionless, trying to buy one thing with the other and back again circularly because that's all they got.
1890849;1548873658;mircea_popescu;you can be an inexperienced professional, just as you can be an experienced amateur.
1890850;1548873744;mircea_popescu;in a film in which we see a nurse passing herself for a doctor because whatever in-universe reasons, we have under our eyes an expert amateur doctor!
1890851;1548873798;asciilifeform;in the (possibly surprisingly, to some) not yet dead world of go, there exists such a thing as '9-dan amateur', who can sometimes win against (lower ranked) pro
1890852;1548873825;mircea_popescu;and the theory also readily mops up ye olde http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22coffin%22+%22liner%22 problem : senescence can collapse one back into amateurship!
1890853;1548873839;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform exactly!
1890854;1548873887;Mocky;the proposed meaning describes a mindset or attitude only, with no consideration of actual ability
1890855;1548873889;asciilifeform;( the 'pro' players are entirely diff social circle, tho, and not merely because they live on winnings. they're more or less grown from age 5 to do the thing )
1890856;1548873912;mircea_popescu;allow me to rephrase your http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-22#1889356 / http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-22#1889358
1890857;1548873912;a111;Logged on 2019-01-22 19:27 asciilifeform: fwiw when asciilifeform , not even in teen yrs yet, lost interest in olympiads, this was why.
1890858;1548873912;a111;Logged on 2019-01-22 19:27 asciilifeform: ( didn't particularly relish memorizing chess debuts, either )
1890859;1548873936;mircea_popescu;"when i discovered the universe was artificial i withdrew into amateurship, because you can't commit to following a universe that's broken"
1890860;1548873957;mircea_popescu;Mocky it describes a cognitive context.
1890861;1548873979;mircea_popescu;hence "amateur mistakes" -- mistakes apt to be produced by one who acts as if the world/item/tool/whatever IS HIS MOTHER
1890862;1548873983;asciilifeform;body is as 'broken' as anyffin gets, yet there is still such a thing as pro surgeon
1890863;1548874008;mircea_popescu;body is entirely as unbroken as anything can ever aspire to be.
1890864;1548874023;asciilifeform;eh if unbroken, what's it doing on a surgeon's table
1890865;1548874024;mircea_popescu;huge difference between skeleton and chess.
1890866;1548874037;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you're equivocating between body conceptual and body of joe.
1890867;1548874066;asciilifeform;hm
1890868;1548874127;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2011/analiza-tehnica/#selection-39.171-49.1 << ye olde liberman point, "it is forbidden to have a course in nonsense", stands : it is acceptable to be osteopath ; not acceptable to be chess player.
1890869;1548874127;Mocky;mircea_popescu you're equivocating between being an amateur conceptually and being an amateur at X
1890870;1548874144;mircea_popescu;Mocky there's no transitiveness. how can you be an amateur ~at X~ ?
1890871;1548874155;mircea_popescu;are you also old at desk but young at teapot ?
1890872;1548874179;Mocky;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-30#1890838
1890873;1548874179;a111;Logged on 2019-01-30 18:35 mircea_popescu: consider though -- am i an AMATEUR writer ? and who's a professional, everyone on the nytimes list ? really ?
1890874;1548874180;*;asciilifeform 9-dan teapot!111
1890875;1548874208;mircea_popescu;kinda what i'm arguing against.
1890876;1548874242;Mocky;if so then why would picking writer be the argument, why not cook?
1890877;1548874249;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i dug for, but failed to find in O(1), Framedragger's 'model airplanes' thrd
1890878;1548874251;mircea_popescu;ie, that line is intended to show that the alternative understanding of the term is inconsistent.
1890879;1548874263;asciilifeform;where he 'i relax doing this cuz the result dun matter to anyone else'
1890880;1548874269;mircea_popescu;Mocky i cook! i picked writer because it's easy to see my writing and hard to see my fucking.
1890881;1548874274;mircea_popescu;and i'm not an amateur fucker, either!
1890882;1548874288;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform quite exactly amateurship, innit!
1890883;1548874335;mircea_popescu;turns out i misspelled cooking. narf.
1890884;1548874396;mircea_popescu;there IS, incidentally, a very marked difference between amateur and serious fuckers, as teh womenz will attest. because the amateur fucker... http://trilema.com/2011/voi-puneti-fetele-sa-zica-ceva/ aka makes you call him "daddy" or w/e.
1890885;1548874428;asciilifeform;imho 'ameteur' vs 'pro' is muchly misleading termnology; 'serious' vs dilettante is as i understand exactly what mircea_popescu was discussing
1890886;1548874436;mircea_popescu;all the fucking scenesters, amateur bdsm folk, have this in common with the pedo and the neurotic-impotent : that they're trying to re-enact.
1890887;1548874483;asciilifeform;is a fella who flies hand-glider on weekends 'trying to re-enact' being bird ?
1890888;1548874488;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the problem is that in my head dilettante would be one still getting his footing (ie, who has not yet touched all the elements of the field)
1890889;1548874509;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i am not responsible to say what exactly ; maybe trying to re-enact being in craddle for all i know.
1890890;1548874569;asciilifeform;ars longa & vita brevis, to touch ~errything~. i'm prepared to piss on koch, but i won't piss on gliderist who gets in nobody's way
1890891;1548874577;mircea_popescu;(anyway, the distinction is spurious, dilettante is LITERALLY italian for "amateur", comes from the same root as gave delight in english)
1890892;1548874599;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform why do you have to piss ?
1890893;1548874625;asciilifeform;unless i misread thrd, mircea_popescu's implication is that 'amateur' is a type of mental defective
1890894;1548874659;mircea_popescu;not anymore than dreaming is.
1890895;1548874672;mircea_popescu;you go to bed, you close your eyes, your brain goes splat. so what of it.
1890896;1548874720;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu's 'amateur' sounds moar like sleepwalker than ordinary sleeper tho
1890897;1548874766;mircea_popescu;i also didn't set on fire la paz wooden house, notwithstanding it is a reconstruction.
1890898;1548874789;BingoBoingo;The only problem with amateurs is when their efforts get taken seriously and their pursuit out of love makes a mess for everyone trying to do because they need/want good things: http://trilema.com/2013/why-you-cant-invest-with-cryptostocks/
1890899;1548874817;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well, sleeper becomes sleepwalker when starts walking ; mp's amateur becomes a nuisance when similarily.
1890900;1548874865;asciilifeform;https://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3065132899827911@naggum.no.html << oblig naggum
1890901;1548874893;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo particularly visible in teh female herd, which is why exposure (as per http://trilema.com/2018/le-salaire-de-lidiotie/#footnote_1_78125 discussion) is such a cure-all of femissues.
1890902;1548874920;mircea_popescu;(and conversely, all the "but i would treat her right and have great sense of humor" non-"asshole" lament, very much this "whay amateur fails!")
1890903;1548875009;asciilifeform;'tell you what.  I receive some cast-away meat from dissections at my nearby veterinary school, and I have absolutely no problem with filling my fridge with dead animal parts.  I enjoy studying the interior design of animals while I feed my cat with the meat.  if you wade through my garbage, you'd find whole ribs, an assortment of bones, lots of animal skin, an occasional hoof, and a large number of used scalpel blades.  I really hop
1890904;1548875009;asciilifeform;e you wouldn't come to me with a sick dog because of it, but that's the way many people approach programmers.'
1890905;1548875035;mircea_popescu;ha!
1890906;1548875066;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> (and conversely, all the "but i would treat her right and have great sense of humor" non-"asshole" lament, very much this "whay amateur fails!") << Also why amateur doesn't have girl dancing in kitchen with knife and garlic while sitting at terminal
1890907;1548875113;mircea_popescu;(to briefly revisit the dilettante issue : the other problem is that dilettante delights in ~consuming the end product~, ie, listening to music. the amateur trombonist and the dilettante jazzist may be a match made in heaven, however, they're not the same thing -- much like the narcissist and his borderline-sleeve gf aren't.)
1890908;1548875139;asciilifeform;lichen + fungus !11
1890909;1548875491;asciilifeform;re the trombonists -- if they're playing in designated padded room, who the hell cares .
1890910;1548875550;asciilifeform;koch et al, 'play in carnegie hall', like the infamous florence foster jenkins
1890911;1548875573;mircea_popescu;well, classification is classification ; the meaning of words flow from reason not from some sort of consideration of political expediency
1890912;1548875602;asciilifeform;i'm not disputing the wires, only the stickers on the wires.
1890913;1548875690;mircea_popescu;tbh, the carnegie hall may be a fine example -- florence jenkins played in what ~everone deemed a "how cute, they made copy out of hut!" item.
1890914;1548875746;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, what's the difference between this "amateur" and "childish"?
1890915;1548875747;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: where was the orig hut then ?
1890916;1548875766;diana_coman;the world/whatever he does is his Mummy -> child
1890917;1548875775;mircea_popescu;ie, yes, jenkins sings to carnegie hall, koch cryptograpies to the conference plastic carpet, some kids in egypt http://trilema.com/2011/bine-ati-venit-la-noi-in-tara/#selection-177.0-177.14 and so following.
1890918;1548875806;mircea_popescu;diana_coman about five years. childish notions are both narrow and misapplied. amateur notions are merely misapplied, but remarkably extensive.
1890919;1548875842;diana_coman;uhm, you mean one can get out of being childish just by covering ground?
1890920;1548875849;diana_coman;not sure I see how that works
1890921;1548875875;mircea_popescu;i mean if the part of the brain that handles the mechanics of thought moves into adulthood, rendering the subject capable of articulating longer strings and remembering them,
1890922;1548875890;mircea_popescu;whereas the substance of thought does not move into adulthood, rendering the subject incapable to rightly apprehend the world,
1890923;1548875897;mircea_popescu;therefore one's an amateur rather than merely childish.
1890924;1548875948;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-10#494107 << traditional formula of address for amateurs.
1890925;1548875948;a111;Logged on 2014-02-10 01:34 mircea_popescu: people can want in one hand and piss in the other, see which fills first.
1890926;1548876007;diana_coman;hm, so amateur is the childish use of adult brain capacity i.e. a mismatch essentially?
1890927;1548876021;mircea_popescu;quite.
1890928;1548876049;Mocky;if a child is doing it, it's not childish, it's child-like. it's only childish for an adult
1890929;1548876166;Mocky;well child-like is not the term, but I do think childish only applies to adults. calling a child childish would be in jest
1890930;1548876181;mircea_popescu;so by your nomenclature normal 5yo, "child-like", mongoloid 20 yo "childish", etc ?
1890931;1548876186;mircea_popescu;iirc it went the other way around.
1890932;1548876216;mircea_popescu;Mocky calling a woman sexy, also in jest, term reserved for prepubescent girls and boys of all ages ?
1890933;1548876218;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/01/computing-timeshare-market-xdecid-shuttered-by-fbi/ << Qntra -- Computing Timeshare Market xDecid Shuttered By FBI
1890934;1548876250;diana_coman;to my mind all children ARE childish, what else; but in their case that's just by definition basically, they can't be something else, not an issue
1890935;1548876266;mircea_popescu;i don't necessarily kid if i call my car carsy either.
1890936;1548876284;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo " xDedic" or " xDecid" ?
1890937;1548876309;mircea_popescu;though i suppose the proper name'd be http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=uci
1890938;1548876328;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: xDedic, fxd
1890939;1548876339;BingoBoingo;Well, a sort of proto UCI
1890940;1548876350;diana_coman;I can see at least the distinction proposed there with amateur vs childish
1890941;1548876442;mircea_popescu;diana_coman note that the class of childish notion's wider than the class of amateur tropes.
1890942;1548876521;mircea_popescu;children routinely make all sorts of mistakes, chief among which the naive extension (ie http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877543 ) and dynamic-static confusion ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1756978 )
1890943;1548876521;a111;Logged on 2018-12-01 21:21 mircea_popescu: "the notion that airplanes could reproduce through laying eggs is merely a naive extension, in the vein of 'object A has properties a and b ; object B shares property a and therefore it is reasonable ~~~on a first approximation~~~ to expect it exhibit proerty b'. nevertheless, artifacts differ from nature in that one fundamental aspect, that they're inefficient, and therefore to achieve same ends end up heavy, and in the case
1890944;1548876521;a111;Logged on 2017-12-22 16:45 mircea_popescu: in other notes to the self, I was recently looking desperately for that discussion of the static/dynamic infantile error, but gave up in frustration. neverhteless, here it is : http://trilema.com/2016/why-is-that/#selection-221.55-225.273
1890945;1548876545;mircea_popescu;whereas amateurs specialize in one particular branch of childish mistake : stuff to with love.
1890946;1548876573;mircea_popescu;making jesus (not as either the historical character or the pre-1800s various layers of reported historical character) the elliot of amateurs.
1890947;1548876581;diana_coman;really? so what, if you notice an amateur making at some point ALSO a childish mistake then...it's not an amateur anymore?
1890948;1548876598;diana_coman;begging the q: what is it then
1890949;1548876602;mircea_popescu;from reviewing my past practice, i suspect i'd call them "retarded".
1890950;1548876604;mircea_popescu;ie, yes.
1890951;1548876692;diana_coman;uhm, maybe this particular love-mistake is so significant in practice to really make the distinction that no, they are not retarded, they are just ...dunno, love-seeking? and anyway then...why is this not just retarded as well?
1890952;1548876704;mircea_popescu;but anyway, the amateur, as a category, is very much a 19th century late-protestantism invention, along with such greats as "altruism" etcetera. they have little anchoring in reality, being as they are the waste byproducts of a specific stage of industrial society.
1890953;1548876765;mircea_popescu;diana_coman "retarded" is a term for ~broad~ failure. narrow failure, ie one that can be described on a single node, doesn't seem to meet it.
1890954;1548876845;mircea_popescu;some guy who can't spell, because cotsnaltny doign htis, is you know, merely dyslexic. if they ALSO can't tie their own shoes... well...
1890955;1548876918;diana_coman;I suppose it's a matter of how broad is broad enough basically: i.e. e o ureche si nici n-aude bine
1890956;1548876996;mircea_popescu;just about.
1890957;1548877072;mircea_popescu;anyway, the amateur behaviour is actually not unknown among children. now and again you see some kid (esp one that's not usually violent) FURIOUS to the point of rabid because some other kid "cheated", ie, did something the universe supported but the kid's mind did not.
1890958;1548877108;mircea_popescu;at about the age of 10-11 or so, children, that were previously quite happy to play together, separate very visibly into pro-player and amateur-player groups.
1890959;1548877147;mircea_popescu;the distinction generally matches their gender, too. girls tend to end up in the amateur-player groups. not so much climbing and activities with sticks that are wont to show one how inadequate human life is in a contest with sheer reality ;
1890960;1548877154;mircea_popescu;lotta play-pretend and so forth instead.
1890961;1548877243;diana_coman;you mean: at/after puberty, girls can't quite beat the shit out boys anymore and therefore they stop fighting them directly; lol
1890962;1548877257;mircea_popescu;the traditional period greeting among boys, etched as it finds itself in my memory, went "ma, tu poti asa ?" ie, "hey, can you do this ?". girls tended to challenge each other rather to knowledge of particular conventions, "you read so and so book ?! SO DID I!!!"
1890963;1548877304;mircea_popescu;diana_coman entirely possibru! though the ~average~ girl is still no match for the lower placed boys. so i wouldn't call it "can't" properly speaking.
1890964;1548877715;diana_coman;I don't quite parse that
1890965;1548877740;diana_coman;do you mean that the average girl can still beat the lower placed boys after puberty?
1890966;1548877773;diana_coman;that might be, sure; doesn't change much though yes, strictly speaking "can" aka a qualified can
1890967;1548878533;mircea_popescu;that's what i mean, yes.
1890968;1548878546;mircea_popescu;actually, if they at all cared to... here, let me recount an anecdote.
1890969;1548878583;mircea_popescu;so the year's sometime in the golden 90s, and some super-duper karate trainer guy who happens to also be a friend of the family is visiting.
1890970;1548878594;mircea_popescu;he has a daughter. she is almost exactly my age.
1890971;1548878617;mircea_popescu;so we go to the club, because what can you do ?
1890972;1548878661;mircea_popescu;i have her walk in front of me ; and JUST as i'm explaining that nobody'd better fucking molest my guest or else, i feel some schmuck interlacing himself in front of me.
1890973;1548878666;mircea_popescu;clubs in the 90s were TIGHT.
1890974;1548878689;mircea_popescu;and then JUST as i turn to grab the dood by the scruff of his neck and see who the fuck this is then, what, am i talking to myself here ?!
1890975;1548878693;mircea_popescu;he collapses soft as a rag in my arms.
1890976;1548878717;mircea_popescu;chick slid her ass to the side and cracked him one shoe square in the forehead, after he grabed her ass.
1890977;1548878751;mircea_popescu;i have nfi how she found the room for such kicking, but, the fact remains -- very much ~could~, a good half of all males are not worth the chickenfeed.
1890978;1548878841;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-30#1890962 << hey how does one say 'взять на слабо' in ro ? ( trad. method of 1 boy getting another to do something foolish, 'hey betcha yer too weak to X!' )
1890979;1548878841;a111;Logged on 2019-01-30 19:40 mircea_popescu: the traditional period greeting among boys, etched as it finds itself in my memory, went "ma, tu poti asa ?" ie, "hey, can you do this ?". girls tended to challenge each other rather to knowledge of particular conventions, "you read so and so book ?! SO DID I!!!"
1890980;1548878861;mircea_popescu;!#s "jump in the well"
1890981;1548878861;a111;0 results for "\"jump in the well\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22jump%20in%20the%20well%22
1890982;1548878868;mircea_popescu;hm. i am sure i mentioned it!
1890983;1548878996;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-30#1890957 << >> http://trilema.com/2015/a-new-software-licensing-paradigm/#selection-125.354-125.545
1890984;1548878996;a111;Logged on 2019-01-30 19:37 mircea_popescu: anyway, the amateur behaviour is actually not unknown among children. now and again you see some kid (esp one that's not usually violent) FURIOUS to the point of rabid because some other kid "cheated", ie, did something the universe supported but the kid's mind did not.
1890985;1548879030;mircea_popescu;you know ?
1890986;1548879056;asciilifeform;recurrent motif
1890987;1548879097;*;asciilifeform brb,tea
1890988;1548879297;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, well, it's basically those who really cared to vs those who really did NOT care to, will always be able to; uhm? the whole thing was those who really cared to vs those who really cared to, otherwise not much sense imo
1890989;1548879342;mircea_popescu;well, which brings us full circle : girls seemed to prefer that way rather than this, notwithstanding that they ~could~ have earned a decent spot on the rooster if earnestly tried.
1890990;1548879364;mircea_popescu;but, for some reason (which i suspect -- only in part cultural, and besides, why would a girl believe her mother) they tend to not want to earnestly try.
1890991;1548879424;diana_coman;ehm, from personal experience I can tell you that precisely at that age there is basically a massive handicap all of a sudden; and quite visible too
1890992;1548879462;diana_coman;so yes, sure, still can, but here, have it even harder because reasons
1890993;1548879481;mircea_popescu;you mean tits ?
1890994;1548879485;mircea_popescu;11yos don't have tits.
1890995;1548879501;diana_coman;hrm, some don't , lol; tits and ass and even more than that
1890996;1548879558;mircea_popescu;my point is that the behavioural separation is visible rather before secondary sexual characteristics.
1890997;1548879564;diana_coman;hormones also affect how much /easy muscle is put on for instance
1890998;1548879623;mircea_popescu;that's for sure. though THAT only comes into its own when i sit here typing and bulk up while the girls are (even now!) at the gym and... nothin' doin'.
1890999;1548879751;mircea_popescu;nicoleci aaaahahaha RAW CHICKEN
1891000;1548879945;nicoleci;mircea_popescu, fetlife never disappoints. the best part of it is how he gave an explanation on why he thought that for a whole second and posted the comment
1891001;1548879974;nicoleci;should probably try for a raw lamb next time
1891002;1548879997;mircea_popescu;aite, ima add a cleaver to the list.
1891003;1548880352;nicoleci;should be a fun demonstration  for everyone at the store
1891004;1548880911;BingoBoingo;Maybe give Cuy a try
1891005;1548880956;BingoBoingo;Cavia porcellus for the uninitiated
1891006;1548881127;nicoleci;haha, then next a capybara
1891007;1548881272;BingoBoingo;I can't speak as to the taste of capybara
1891008;1548881450;BingoBoingo;Cuy's kinda like a fattier rabbit, cooked like a small duck
1891009;1548881515;BingoBoingo;And the locals shot a second police officer this week. Monday's in Villa Española. This one in La Blanqueda.
1891010;1548881529;nicoleci;yeah me either, we should change this. i wonder if mircea_popescu's scope of pretentiousness reaches tasting a fine capybara
1891011;1548889293;asciilifeform;lol asciilifeform misread, was just about to ask how one prepares a capybara an' how was the meat
1891012;1548889327;*;asciilifeform pictures it as a 20kg rabbit, and mouth waters
1891013;1548889414;asciilifeform;or 1 of those iguanas, say
1891014;1548889568;asciilifeform;oh hey BingoBoingo finally dined on ultra-short pig ?
1891015;1548889618;*;asciilifeform recalls'em at the BingoBoingostan market, right next to the other meat on the hoof
1891016;1548889810;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-30#1890969 << was karatism ultra-popular in '80s ro, like in late sovok ? ( there, was ubiquitous, esp. on acct of being Officially verboten )
1891017;1548889810;a111;Logged on 2019-01-30 20:03 mircea_popescu: so the year's sometime in the golden 90s, and some super-duper karate trainer guy who happens to also be a friend of the family is visiting.
1891018;1548889878;asciilifeform;1 of the 1st things asciilifeform remembers reading as a larva , is a street poster advertising 1 of those underground dojos
1891019;1548893904;mircea_popescu;so we're back to
1891020;1548893905;mircea_popescu;Jan 30 15:42:41 *	Closing Link: pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1891021;1548893905;mircea_popescu;Jan 30 15:42:41 *	Disconnected (Remote host closed socket).
1891022;1548893932;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: do all pipes drop or just fleanode's ?
1891023;1548893934;mircea_popescu;how the fuck is this supposed to work, seriously now, "hello sir we can't hear you sorry"
1891024;1548893949;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is not a pipe drop! this is freenode going "sorry your pipe dropped"
1891025;1548893954;mircea_popescu;IF it did, then HOW THE FUCK DO I HEAR YOU ?
1891026;1548893969;mircea_popescu;it's not like i patched my software to lie to me, is it.
1891027;1548894033;asciilifeform;i've seen similar lulz, where i actually get a ' asciilifeform has quit (Ping timeout ... ' ~prior~ to actually getting dropped
1891028;1548894058;asciilifeform;the lulzprotocol actually permits this
1891029;1548894082;asciilifeform;( if you dun 'pong' < t after 'ping'-ed, they drop )
1891030;1548894093;mircea_popescu;yes, it "permits", in the sense that it wasn't designed with a view of the amateur politician's needs in mind, and so their hamhandedness incidentally self-crits.
1891031;1548894095;asciilifeform;but helpfully!111 tell you 1st.
1891032;1548894109;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-30#1891016 << yes, very much so.
1891033;1548894109;a111;Logged on 2019-01-30 23:10 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-30#1890969 << was karatism ultra-popular in '80s ro, like in late sovok ? ( there, was ubiquitous, esp. on acct of being Officially verboten )
1891034;1548894200;mircea_popescu;and to briefly revisit discussion : people who aim to tell a story ~qua story~ rather than qua reality ARE DANGEROUS. very, very fucking dangerous, and ~they know this, too~ (or otherwise, one's hard pressed to explain why they come up with inane "really, the other guy is dangerous, promise" bullshit aka http://trilema.com/2014/the-definitive-tract-on-sociopathy/ -- especially seeing how that's their amply documented and well
1891035;1548894200;mircea_popescu; known stock in trade "defense".)
1891036;1548894226;mircea_popescu;they ~don't mean to be~ dangerous, of course. they really meant everything to be the tits, really.
1891037;1548894249;mircea_popescu;but, in point of fact, they always end up looking just like dickie bultitude. especially to their long-suffering father, paul.
1891038;1548894299;asciilifeform;what means 'tell story qua story vs qua reality' ?
1891039;1548894529;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform a "better man" would have elided http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-30#1890678
1891040;1548894529;a111;Logged on 2019-01-30 03:55 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in child porn, http://images.igavelauctions.com/x/161/Co44972/x38a.jpg
1891041;1548894534;mircea_popescu;"it's just uncalled for".
1891042;1548894570;mircea_popescu;consider also http://trilema.com/2011/leapsa-universala/#comment-47349 discussion, "Trilema este un blog onest in primul rand. Atat de onest incat instraineaza foarte multi din cei care il folosesc. Daca ar fi sa desenam un grafic cu utilizatorii acestui blog am vedea ca ei cresc pana la un moment dat si dupaia zice Popescu ceva (pai cum dreq) si fuge gloata oripilata in toate directiile."
1891043;1548895564;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in continuing lulz :
1891044;1548895565;mircea_popescu;Jan 30 18:30:38 <mircea_popescu>	and since i mentioned vice-versa again, some #haremleaks : hanbot asked me if i think the only reason anstey made paul a widower was so he didn't have to confront his son fucking his wife during that week.
1891045;1548895565;mircea_popescu;Jan 30 18:31:07 <mircea_popescu>	leaving aside how period couples easily did a week of abstinence, i retorted this was not so, but rather to be true to life : most of the kids in dick's position had no mother
1891046;1548895565;mircea_popescu;Jan 30 18:36:11 <mircea_popescu>	because of peripueral fever, which at the time was a 10-20% winnings dice every woman rolled every time she had a kid, it then followed that most kids at one of the boarding schools had no mothers.
1891047;1548895568;mircea_popescu;Jan 30 18:37:15 <mircea_popescu>	and, this is the bomb : they were alone, so there could be an empire. because most females mated with powerful males died before reaching the 2nd half of maturity (and especially old age), the female view was ~not represented in society~. dick was alone, not merely personally, but politically, there was no one there to efficiently argue his position.
1891048;1548895573;mircea_popescu;Jan 30 18:37:28 <mircea_popescu>	once peripueral fever went away, the british empire ended.
1891049;1548895575;mircea_popescu;Jan 30 18:38:28 <mircea_popescu>	to be replaced with "decolonialization" or whatever bullshit. http://trilema.com/2013/a-very-unfair-perspective/#selection-193.0-193.108 has the details.
1891050;1548895580;mircea_popescu;Jan 30 18:40:29 <mircea_popescu>	in this view (which, while not the only interpretation that can be painted on the facts nevertheless very much is an interpretation that very well can be painted on the facts), the required reagent for something to happen is for somehow, accidentally or intentionally, female representation to go away.
1891051;1548895584;mircea_popescu;Jan 30 18:40:54 <mircea_popescu>	peripueral fever made the british empire possible more than anything else, and the reason there isn't one today are simply put all the happy tourists taking pictures of costa rican wild life.
1891052;1548895587;mircea_popescu;Jan 30 18:41:19 <mircea_popescu>	amateurs, as it turns out, are a terrible plague.
1891053;1548895589;mircea_popescu;Jan 30 18:44:15 <mircea_popescu>	o look, now it ~didn't disc
1891054;1548895591;mircea_popescu;Jan 30 18:44:15 <mircea_popescu>	o look, now it ~didn't disconnect me at all anymore~. just sat there, 10 minutes+, nothing doing. because totally, "the protocol permits", or how did it go ?
1891055;1548895594;mircea_popescu;talking to myself for a good 15 minutes, because something with pingpongs or what was it!
1891056;1548895724;mircea_popescu;anyway, when trump won the first derping of the female state went along the lines of "adults", mind ye, ~adults~ "taking care of him" or somesuch nonsense. this directly maps, period ie 1880s dinner conversation had the dead women been instead present went "why did you machinegun those nice zulus ?" "what the fuck did you want me to do, teach them english, invite them over for tea, meet the missus ?" "<grin>"
1891057;1548895780;asciilifeform;!#s answer in the sewers
1891058;1548895781;a111;18 results for "answer in the sewers", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=answer%20in%20the%20sewers
1891059;1548895817;mircea_popescu;turns out it's not -- poor women however old were never represented much anyway.
1891060;1548895828;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> oh hey BingoBoingo finally dined on ultra-short pig ? << Well, relatively cheap protein
1891061;1548895832;mircea_popescu;but paul didn't know, when it came right down to it, how to say "woman, shut up". and well...
1891062;1548895973;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu is a++ 9dan master of 'don't clean the air filter' hypotheses
1891063;1548896023;mircea_popescu;huh ?
1891064;1548896028;asciilifeform;( for folx who didn't go to mircea_popescu's c3 -- he described a sovok-era auto where cleaning the air filter would reliably kill the engine )
1891065;1548896036;mircea_popescu;a a.
1891066;1548896069;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: recall, we were walking near 'clit bridge' in buenosaires
1891067;1548896481;mircea_popescu;aha.
1891068;1548897754;mircea_popescu;re http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-31#1891038 consider also ready example, http://btcbase.org/log/2012-08-15#-319562 and all that ready hate. why precisely ? because storytelling qua reality not qua story!!! IS PSYCHOPATH!!!
1891069;1548897754;a111;Logged on 2019-01-31 00:24 asciilifeform: what means 'tell story qua story vs qua reality' ?
1891070;1548897754;a111;Logged on 2012-08-15 16:09 gigavps: mpoe-pr is a sock puppet account for Mr. Popescu
1891071;1548897771;mircea_popescu;totally, that's the definition of psychopathy, NOT being fucking insane.
1891072;1548898296;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in vaguerly related http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-17#1685663 slash http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-25#1889847 , there's of course http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/#selection-479.150-479.424
1891073;1548898296;a111;Logged on 2017-07-17 22:17 mircea_popescu: how's "the toomim brothers" doing these days ?
1891074;1548898296;a111;Logged on 2019-01-25 16:55 asciilifeform: tru. who, incidentally, is the current gavin? i admit, lost track, dun follow subj actively
1891075;1548898305;mircea_popescu;anyone recall "phil daian" ? the kid that was going places ?
1891076;1548898411;BingoBoingo;This guy? http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/
1891077;1548898415;mircea_popescu;aha.
1891078;1548898435;mircea_popescu;or if you prefer https://www.coindesk.com/sharding-already-ushering-radical-new-ethereum-designs/ << this guy.
1891079;1548898459;mircea_popescu;one of these days they're gonna figure how to mount a touchscreen on this ethereum business, and then they'll be cookin' with gas!
1891080;1548898496;mircea_popescu;"I'm very proud to say that my audits currently are the primary or only review on over 1B USD of cryptoassets. I also enjoy amateur lampworking!" keks.
1891081;1548898568;mircea_popescu;anyway, was 1st year phd back in 2016 when https://www.cs.cornell.edu/information/news/newsitem2191/forbes-quotes-first-year-phd-student-phil-daian-dao-hack
1891082;1548898592;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, entering 4th year, and well... all those glorious prospects the mutual cockscuking parade seemed to offer from a distance turned into so much ramen.
1891083;1548899656;asciilifeform;iirc buterin still inbiz
1891084;1548899684;asciilifeform;(possibly the only gavin still going from that period?)
1891085;1548899727;mircea_popescu;the above also still herping. while dry noodle supplies last.
1891086;1548899837;asciilifeform;for that matter, somebody's still perpetrating (i hesitate to describe as 'maintain') prb
1891087;1548899873;mod6;oh yeah, forgot about the airfilter cleaning convo.
1891088;1548899885;mod6;how's it goin' tonight?
1891089;1548899889;asciilifeform;mod6: i found it extremely memorable
1891090;1548899947;mod6;more than the girl strapped to the cross, or the other one in the cage? :D
1891091;1548899959;asciilifeform;moar
1891092;1548899972;asciilifeform;those were a snore, had clothes on!
1891093;1548899997;mod6;lol.  that girl in the cage was n00d iirc!
1891094;1548900005;asciilifeform;mod6: that place reminded me moar than anyffin, of a crowded subway train
1891095;1548900010;*;mod6 is in a good mood today.
1891096;1548900015;asciilifeform;( with the diff that the train has ~moar~ gurlflesh visible on typical day )
1891097;1548900018;mod6;oh f yeah, christ it was hot in there.
1891098;1548900179;mod6;I've got some irons in the fire right now, but it feels good being productive on this TBF stuff.
1891099;1548900211;mod6;I'm even spending a few spare cycles on FFA chapter 1.
1891100;1548900217;asciilifeform;neato
1891101;1548900243;mod6;Nothing distracting, just going at it slow and steady.
1891102;1548900260;asciilifeform;1-4 are imho pretty easy
1891103;1548900287;asciilifeform;6-8 ditto
1891104;1548900332;mod6;Yeah, I kinda went through 1-4 quickly in the past.   But now I wanna do the homework too.
1891105;1548900341;asciilifeform;imho none of'em oughta take herculean effort to eat
1891106;1548900374;asciilifeform;ch10 i expect typical reader will want cup of coffee; 14 - 2 cups.
1891107;1548900390;mod6;Naw, but I wanna draw out the full-adder and things such as that.  I want a very, very strong foundation so when I get into the later chapters, it's all in the front of my mind so I'm not getting lost.
1891108;1548900399;mod6;Goal is to go through it all and sign.
1891109;1548900413;asciilifeform;mod6: you'll defo want a chalkboard or at least a pad of foolscap
1891110;1548900440;mod6;*nod* I've got that part sorted, just gotta allocate a bit here and there.  Hardest part is just starting.
1891111;1548900465;asciilifeform;there is deliberately 0 'serious' maffs in the series.
1891112;1548900488;mod6;Well, as it should be, really.
1891113;1548900514;asciilifeform;( 16b, currently on asciilifeform's desk, inescapably has some basic number theory, but this is not avoidable, and it is self-contained intro )
1891114;1548900526;mod6;Can I ask a favor of you?  You got any room on your conveyor for February?
1891115;1548900532;asciilifeform;depends for what
1891116;1548900566;asciilifeform;what do you have in mind mod6 ?
1891117;1548900569;mod6;I need Lordship review of my Keccak Vpatches.
1891118;1548900586;mod6;(for TRB)
1891119;1548900587;asciilifeform;absolutely will review, and sign
1891120;1548900599;asciilifeform;( esp. given that i orig wrote most of'em )
1891121;1548900617;asciilifeform;it's a straight regrind, neh ?
1891122;1548900627;asciilifeform;a la http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2743
1891123;1548900632;mod6;That would be awesome, I'd love to at least get as many lords to sign off as possible.  I know it's a big ask for all though.  There's a lot there.
1891124;1548900656;mod6;Yeah, the regrind is straight forward, save the part where I axed out the UTF-8 char out of the genesis.
1891125;1548900673;asciilifeform;i'ma run the diff and errything that lines up with what i signed prev, will sign again
1891126;1548900734;mod6;No rush, I appreciate it.  I've got some more work ahead of me (to be outlined in tomorrow's STATE OF BITCOIN ADDRESS) before I pick a cut-over date for the website, but having Lordshipt blessing is a big step in the right direction.
1891127;1548900802;mod6;I'm currently building out a Cuntoo (have had a minor issue with my kernel not booting correctly, but will work on that soon), and will use that + ave1's musl to build the keccak v tooling, and then TRB.  Which will also go into the upcoming changes to the HOWTO Guide.
1891128;1548900820;asciilifeform;mod6: the 1 obv change with cuntoo is that it dun need 'rotor' build process at all
1891129;1548900827;asciilifeform;given as it comes already with sane gcc and musl
1891130;1548900843;asciilifeform;theoretically should produce ~same~ binary as the rotor build.
1891131;1548900855;asciilifeform;( cuntoo per se, if you recall, is apprx a generalization of 'rotor' )
1891132;1548900857;mod6;Ah ah.
1891133;1548900893;asciilifeform;i dun recall whether trinque specifically tested this, but as i understand it oughta work precisely like-so.
1891134;1548900895;mod6;Ok, well, I'll cross that bridge when I've got a cuntoo, and then I'll start to re-think the entire build proces for all who have cuntoo.
1891135;1548900909;asciilifeform;under cuntoo it oughta (again in theory) suffice to run the makefile
1891136;1548900949;asciilifeform;( would have to make sure that the trb deps are baked into cuntoo , naturally -- the stock bdb oughta be the 1 in trb, etc )
1891137;1548900968;mod6;aha.  cooool.
1891138;1548900975;asciilifeform;the orig 'rotor' thing was prompted by heathen gentoo having random crapolade instead of a sane compiler, libc, etc
1891139;1548901006;mod6;sure.  alright, I'll reach out for info/advise/help on that when I get there.
1891140;1548901042;asciilifeform;might recall asciilifeform's attempt http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-30#1217516
1891141;1548901042;a111;Logged on 2015-07-30 04:08 asciilifeform: but ~i personally~ will from now on support ~only~ rotor. and soon after, only rotolinux (buildroot for arbitrary arch that includes therealbitcoin and its deps, and toolchain to reconstruct self and the latter.)
1891142;1548901057;asciilifeform;where i got 'rotor' to build a bootable linux, with bare bones envir
1891143;1548901066;asciilifeform;but i never got as far as to get gentoo portage etc. working on it
1891144;1548901067;mod6;aha, for sure.
1891145;1548901090;asciilifeform;item was dead end, but trinque baked the proper incarnation of item
1891146;1548901148;mod6;*thumbsup*
1891147;1548901169;mod6;Alright, I'm gonna get back to working on this SoBA.  Good talk.
1891148;1548901176;asciilifeform;'night mod6
1891149;1548901182;*;asciilifeform will bbl,meat
1891150;1548901882;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-31#1891093 << he remembers that night somewhat oddly! i suspect imbibement.
1891151;1548901882;a111;Logged on 2019-01-31 01:59 mod6: lol.  that girl in the cage was n00d iirc!
1891152;1548902065;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-31#1891130 << this might even be worth a check.
1891153;1548902065;a111;Logged on 2019-01-31 02:14 asciilifeform: theoretically should produce ~same~ binary as the rotor build.
1891154;1548902437;mircea_popescu;re http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-30#1890978 what inescapably comes to mind is, of course, http://trilema.com/2014/the-old-woman-and-the-well/
1891155;1548902437;a111;Logged on 2019-01-30 20:07 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-30#1890962 << hey how does one say 'взять на слабо' in ro ? ( trad. method of 1 boy getting another to do something foolish, 'hey betcha yer too weak to X!' )
1891156;1548903108;feedbot;http://bingology.net/2019/01/31/reading-two-english-language-publications-on-uruguay/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Reading Two English Language Publications On Uruguay
1891157;1548906070;mircea_popescu;"If you need to ask, you probably shouldn't go," he winced. "It is a source of pride among Uruguayans that their country lacks any world-class attractions. No Iguaçu Falls. No Patagonia. No Andes. But there is something wonderfully old-fashioned about Uruguay, and so beautifully uncomplicated."
1891158;1548906096;mircea_popescu;holy shit sherlock. i was there for a few days (colonia), it pissed me off to high heavens. yeah there's strictly nothing to do.
1891159;1548906436;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in teh fetlulz files, Bikini-Kelly 25F Fetishist "You look like a guy I'd see on the 10 o'clock news who got caught looking at little kids at the playground. You're gross lol. Sorry not sorry."
1891160;1548906561;mircea_popescu;"the news", amirite. we talk about how "reducing inequality" and other socialist tropes mask the utter destruction of personal wealth and quality of living in the past century, in ready contrasts of "compare your granpa's farm with your cubical, dork". yet... how about the intellectual contrast ?
1891161;1548906599;mircea_popescu;somehow 15yo girly a century ago didn't engage in this exercise in ludicrous idiocy whereby she'd importantly sprout off "you look just like the guy the old women told me to stay away from" right before running off [to be with herself in a corner somewhere].
1891162;1548906623;mircea_popescu;principally because the 17yo'd have laughed her off the planet, it's true. but still.
1891163;1548906635;mircea_popescu;this here is TWENTY FIVE. old enough to be dead already. and yet...
1891164;1548907072;BingoBoingo;Not enough baby fever or babies or fever
1891165;1548907132;mircea_popescu;or anything else.
1891166;1548908049;BingoBoingo;Cooment replied
1891167;1548908104;*;BingoBoingo assumes que would have been longer if not for app driven motorcycle deliveries
1891168;1548908254;BingoBoingo;But yes, our cyperpunk future it turns out gets a 1920's retro aesthetic
1891169;1548908325;BingoBoingo;Monday there was boxing in "Estadio de la Arena" on my beach to mostly empty bleacher, which is about as close as things come to happening here
1891170;1548908414;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-31#1891160 << i suspect 'grandpa's coal mine'
1891171;1548908414;a111;Logged on 2019-01-31 03:49 mircea_popescu: "the news", amirite. we talk about how "reducing inequality" and other socialist tropes mask the utter destruction of personal wealth and quality of living in the past century, in ready contrasts of "compare your granpa's farm with your cubical, dork". yet... how about the intellectual contrast ?
1891172;1548908708;mircea_popescu;tis a sad state of affiars.
1891173;1548908787;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you know your comment box looks well crashed here.
1891174;1548908800;mircea_popescu;weird lines happening through text and things.
1891175;1548908905;BingoBoingo;I'll give it a look and try to straighten it out.
1891176;1548909593;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in random keks, https://vdare.com/public_upload/publication/featured_image/47680/addtext_com_MTcyNTAyMjYxOTM.jpg
1891177;1548948571;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: in http://qntra.net/2019/01/constant-time-miller-rabin-test-added-to-finite-field-arithmetic/ , plox s/informating/informing
1891178;1548948914;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: ty, fxd
1891179;1548950847;shinohai;I am observing new trb node I hadn't seen previously, from "Mir Telematiki Ltd" .... is phf?
1891180;1548951463;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, http://allmonitors.net/
1891181;1548951524;mircea_popescu;the "forum investment" crowd build its SECOND layer of indirection. now there's a meta-meta-checker, because "Some HYIP programs may leave only good status seals on their sites and remove or forge bad once. With our site you may check all HYIP monitors of any HYIP. Also some HYIP monitors may accept 'special monitor' plans, may promote SCAM. That is why we have monitor ranking."
1891182;1548951703;mircea_popescu;(amusingly, advertising page "We accept Perfect Money only." ; and their stats are something else lmao : http://allmonitors.net/adstat/
1891183;1548953035;asciilifeform;shinohai: iirc that was 1 of mircea_popescu's
1891184;1548953065;asciilifeform;( tho not necessarily, it's a fairly big ru isp )
1891185;1548953230;shinohai;kk, just hadn't seen it show up in my daily nodes check before. (Nice to see 10 nodes online however)
1891186;1548953416;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'remove or forge bad once' << lol, apparently even used the mandatory spamglish ( where idea is that reader with 3 neurons to rub together stops reading in <5sec, and doesn't waste the scammer's time)
1891187;1548953505;mircea_popescu;it's kind-of an interesting object from an anthropologists' pov. sorta like the klein bottle for the analytic geometer i guess.
1891188;1548953533;mircea_popescu;i mean, i can't fucking predict, what next, FOURTH indirection layer ? doing what exactly, it destroys meaning, how can you distinguish between a meta-monitor and a meta-meta-monitor ?
1891189;1548953804;asciilifeform;!#s little fleas
1891190;1548953805;a111;12 results for "little fleas", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=little%20fleas
1891191;1548953819;asciilifeform;^ see also.
1891192;1548953857;BingoBoingo;Per http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-30#1890783 I will be proceeding to the basement to emplace a new rockchip in the pilot plant and extract the old one. No downtime is anticipated, but I cannot completely rule out the possibility.
1891193;1548953857;a111;Logged on 2019-01-30 17:48 BingoBoingo: I am planning to emplace the new Rockchip tomorrow. No downtime is planned, but removing the old and placing the new is going to take some dexterity.
1891194;1548953915;asciilifeform;ty BingoBoingo , lemme know when it's ready for the smoketest
1891195;1548953933;BingoBoingo;Will do
1891196;1548953966;asciilifeform;btw this is a 4GB rk. and moved in record time, also, <6d from gringostan to BingoBoingo
1891197;1548954057;mircea_popescu;nb.
1891198;1548954071;mircea_popescu;do you have a battery of molestation tests at emergence end ?
1891199;1548954118;BingoBoingo;The dead RK will be packaged for transit to alf's testbench
1891200;1548954134;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: thing doesn't (as far as anyone knows) contain any writables on board. so test of new unit is limited to BingoBoingo's visual inspection and the ordinary smoke test.
1891201;1548954150;mircea_popescu;alrighty.
1891202;1548954158;BingoBoingo;It will be photographed extensively before entering the mail.
1891203;1548954170;BingoBoingo;Headed out the door.
1891204;1548954171;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: snap a photo of the new one plox also.
1891205;1548954174;asciilifeform;both sides.
1891206;1548954190;BingoBoingo;Ok, stopping to photograph
1891207;1548954257;mircea_popescu;could one identify a lifted chip by comparing board photos ?
1891208;1548954264;asciilifeform;incidentally, re molestations -- asciilifeform's ad hoc xray box suxx balls, 20kV doesn't penetrate anyffin, even the oil around the tube. i'm considering getting a proper ( with adjustable voltage, and closable banksafe-style shield box ) industrial board xrayer.
1891209;1548954337;asciilifeform;originally intended just for the bolix, but nao thinking it'd make for a decent added molestation search for certain items.
1891210;1548954379;BingoBoingo;New RK photo'd headed out the door
1891211;1548954388;asciilifeform;can , for instance, determine whether solder has been reflowed ( given a control photo )
1891212;1548954505;mircea_popescu;definitely some penetration would help there.
1891213;1548954539;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the tricky part is that 'just get dentist's' dunwork, ~over~penetration is problem for pcb.
1891214;1548954557;mircea_popescu;(it's a decent paranoid thought, this -- that the ban on lead solder is because nobus, otherwise trivial to identify lead wave patterns in the solder with small xray)
1891215;1548954579;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they work a++ on pbfree just the same
1891216;1548954589;asciilifeform;if you set the kilovolt knob to the right spot.
1891217;1548954590;mircea_popescu;do they ?
1891218;1548954600;*;mircea_popescu never saw one. only saw old pb ones in a diff time
1891219;1548954601;asciilifeform;they do, it's how bga work is done
1891220;1548954607;mircea_popescu;ah okay.
1891221;1548954631;asciilifeform;( added bonus, could rework bga... )
1891222;1548954635;mircea_popescu;paranoia doesn't pay.
1891223;1548954656;asciilifeform;lol except when does
1891224;1548954661;mircea_popescu;you know ?
1891225;1548954675;mircea_popescu;"just because your paranoia doesn't pay doesn't mean paranoia doesn't pay"!!!
1891226;1548954686;asciilifeform;it's a sort of vegas, but imho moar interesting.
1891227;1548954719;mircea_popescu;higher stakes, too
1891228;1548954726;mircea_popescu;vegas only does money.
1891229;1548954728;asciilifeform;will be interesting to find out, e.g., which 'this is a straight usb cable, honest' actually contain chips
1891230;1548954732;asciilifeform;and so on
1891231;1548954747;mircea_popescu;i thought video was the fave spot.
1891232;1548954756;asciilifeform;historically
1891233;1548954777;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/rfYsS << see also.
1891234;1548955341;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the real bitch is that one is stuck doing old-fashioned b&w chemistry for each shot ( there are digital sensors, but they cost like toyota.. )
1891235;1548955389;mircea_popescu;well, once pizarro gets a buncha customers toyota might be a good investment.
1891236;1548955416;asciilifeform;indeed
1891237;1548955469;asciilifeform;i did obtain a crate of 'polaroid'-style self-developing films (and, i shit thee not, 'made in UAE') but they're tiny 35mm things. intended to put in mouth, for teeth.
1891238;1548955500;asciilifeform;for some uses this actually suffices tho.
1891239;1548955567;asciilifeform;( loox like a kind of opaque condom, with film in it. after exposing, you hand-massage the thing and it develops. )
1891240;1548955577;mircea_popescu;there's larger mouth film, they do panoramics for fitting dentures
1891241;1548955602;asciilifeform;there is indeed. can even get a3-sized film. but ordinary, rather than polaroidistic.
1891242;1548955767;mircea_popescu;hm
1891243;1548955779;asciilifeform;iirc we actually had a thread re solder-as-seals. (or possibly meat convo at c2?)
1891244;1548955795;asciilifeform;after reflow, 'all the king's horses and all the king's men' cannot make the ball look exactly as prev.
1891245;1548955836;mircea_popescu;there was a whole thing re seals at c2.
1891246;1548956377;asciilifeform;seals imho are a very interesting subj, ~after~ one subtracts the homeopathy and outright disinfo
1891247;1548956433;mircea_popescu;just like everything else.
1891248;1548956463;mircea_popescu;cooking and fucking, and math and plumbing, and carpentry and horsehandling and fucking canoe paddling.
1891249;1548956546;asciilifeform;verily
1891250;1548956644;mircea_popescu;clean the amateurs off a field, suddenly it becomes something a man could take an interest in and enjoy doing so.
1891251;1548956965;asciilifeform;meanwhile in latrine-america high tech , http://ru-ar.ru/bolivia/2014-07-20(162)bolivia.jpg
1891252;1548956992;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform and others, new Rockchip is in place
1891253;1548957042;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: appears to work
1891254;1548957066;asciilifeform;logged in nao.
1891255;1548957069;asciilifeform;ty BingoBoingo
1891256;1548957082;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: feel free to peel off heatsink before sending off the dead unit
1891257;1548957084;asciilifeform;it can be spare
1891258;1548957107;BingoBoingo;ty, withdrawing
1891259;1548957117;asciilifeform;that was pretty fast.
1891260;1548958655;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Well I brought a set of small brown hands that take instruction to hold the pilot plant in place when it was unscrewed from the posts.
1891261;1548958741;BingoBoingo;With substantial clamps and scaffolding it could have been a one person job
1891262;1548959033;BingoBoingo;brb, meat
1891263;1548960759;asciilifeform;speaking of BingoBoingo's harems, whatever happened to that other one
1891264;1548960769;asciilifeform;the 1 from ukrazuela
1891265;1548960784;BingoBoingo;Sheltering in place at Mom's house with the dogs
1891266;1548960801;asciilifeform;still resists evacuation eh
1891267;1548960891;BingoBoingo;Nevermind that as latinos that can do international aviation with cedulas, apparently mom needs a passport. I suspect someone in the family is unhealthily attached to the 6 gar garage.
1891268;1548960922;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: does it actually contain 6car ?
1891269;1548960960;BingoBoingo;One car, immobile. Several orcycles and scooters of which 1 or two function at any given time.
1891270;1548961004;asciilifeform;nuts
1891271;1548961059;BingoBoingo;Mega fence, mega dog, small orchard. Typical middle class qatari home.
1891272;1548962229;feedbot;http://bingology.net/2019/01/31/peso-watch-january-2019/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Peso Watch January 2019
1891273;1548970034;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/01/us-manufacturing-on-pause-amid-natural-gas-shortages-michigan-residents-urged-to-lower-thermostats-amid-deep-freeze/ << Qntra -- US Manufacturing On Pause Amid Natural Gas Shortages, Michigan Residents Urged To Lower Thermostats Amid Deep Freeze
1891274;1548970474;diana_coman;BingoBoingo, celcius -> celsius
1891275;1548970496;BingoBoingo;ty diana_coman, fxd
1891276;1548971852;BingoBoingo;In other news after last night's blog publication what coincidentally leads the evening news tonight "Empleo en baja" and "Desempleo"
1891277;1548972917;feedbot;http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/01/hopper-update-january-2019/ << lobbesblog -- Hopper update: January 2019
1891278;1548973219;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2019/01/italian-law-enforcement-steal-two-tons-of-cocaine-in-transit-59-year-old-spaniard-arrested-for-recieving-containers-full-of-salt/ << Qntra -- Italian "Law Enforcement" Steal Two Tons Of Cocaine In Transit, 59 Year Old Spaniard Arrested For Recieving Containers Full Of Salt
1891279;1548973542;BingoBoingo;Word "receiving" fxd