1876909;1543622505;asciilifeform;!Q later tell ave1 http://ave1.org/2018/%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%88%D0%B5-%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE-%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%89-%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%83%D0%B7%D0%B5%D1%80/#comment-100
1876910;1543622505;lobbesbot;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1876911;1543622560;asciilifeform;!Q later tell ave1 https://cs8.pikabu.ru/post_img/big/2016/05/17/6/146347346718383298.jpg << 'comrade mauser' .
1876912;1543622560;lobbesbot;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1876913;1543622914;asciilifeform;^ orig didn't rhyme worth half a shit, i tried to fix bug.
1876914;1543623022;BingoBoingo;In other local business transactions... guess who from http://bingology.net/2018/02/09/a-long-descent-into-the-cargo-cult/#selection-271.0-271.86 is for sale https://inmueble.mercadolibre.com.uy/MLU-457471764-venta-local-comercial-pocitos-alquilado-dueno-directo-sc-_JM
1876915;1543623035;asciilifeform;ftr mayakovsky had the presence of mind to eat ~his~ mauser when it dawned on him that things weren't playing out.
1876916;1543623079;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: why so far as brazil? what, BingoBoingostan has no university ?
1876917;1543623148;BingoBoingo;Brazil's a sort of Germany. It's the first place to look for capital equipment to rent on the continent
1876918;1543623162;deedbot;http://danielpbarron.com/2018/there-are-channels-for-that/ << Daniel P. Barron - There are channels for that
1876919;1543623202;asciilifeform;'Some lines have been removed or altered due to offensive language or for not relating to the topic.' rly? srsly?
1876920;1543623286;danielpbarron;yeah, i don't want to offend people over things that aren't nessessary (the Gospel is offensive enough)
1876921;1543623293;asciilifeform;lol
1876922;1543623446;asciilifeform;meanwhile in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-30#1876420 lulz from the morning, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/7TIRX/?raw=true
1876923;1543623446;a111;Logged on 2018-11-30 17:33 mircea_popescu: you're kinda famous for your generosity in this vein, actually.
1876924;1543623461;asciilifeform;watch d00d come back in 6 mo., having read log and his 3rd eye opened.
1876925;1543623498;BingoBoingo;Invisible third eye or brown third eye
1876926;1543623511;asciilifeform;if it's the latter, i won't bother to report
1876927;1543623518;asciilifeform;did give him a door to knock on, if the former.
1876928;1543623545;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/12/qntra-s-qntr-november-2018-report/ << Qntra - Qntra (S.QNTR) November 2018 Report
1876929;1543623692;asciilifeform;ftr nobody's knocked on that door yet. #a is a pretty quiet castle.
1876930;1543624058;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-30#1876522 << relatedly i have an old cruddy b00k in back room shelf, where spine reads 'THE OF' (some claptrap by b. russel, iirc, faded )
1876931;1543624058;a111;Logged on 2018-11-30 18:15 mircea_popescu: i esp like the - , ! sendoff
1876932;1543624102;asciilifeform;pet : 'let's throw out THE OF' a : 'only if you write me a new one'
1876933;1543624244;*;asciilifeform continues on 2nd pass of l0gz,
1876934;1543624312;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-30#1876532 >> behold, '8,054,179,498 Words Consed' << what else do ya know of in 1980s that chugged through 288 GB (!) ?! ( bolix had 36bit word )
1876935;1543624312;a111;Logged on 2018-11-30 18:23 amberglint: I found a couple more bits about the Ivory https://i.imgur.com/m5HvPHA.png https://i.imgur.com/QEzR2po.png
1876936;1543624394;asciilifeform;i'd bet swapping ~that~ to/from '80s 'fujitsu eagle's took most of those 6months !
1876937;1543624421;asciilifeform;picture what those folx could've done with modern fab.
1876938;1543624523;asciilifeform;'Before leaving this subject, I should mention that there have been a number of interesting LISP Machine designs done outside the U.S., particularly in Japan. For example, see [Hayashi]' << asciilifeform once spent coupla months trying to dig up these. and europistan's 'racal norsk' also. found ~0.
1876939;1543624532;asciilifeform;all buried beneath the sands, even moar so than bolix.
1876940;1543624539;asciilifeform;even from xerox's lispm i was able to find moar.
1876941;1543624656;asciilifeform;( it dun help that asciilifeform's jp is ~on par with a kindergartener's. slowly works on fixing this, but it's a far backburner item and i dun expect to get far in the near fyootoor )
1876942;1543624730;asciilifeform;jp was a hair's width away from picking up the torch that anglotardistan dropped, and anglos knew this, and so in late '80s they engineered an economic implosion for'em
1876943;1543624739;asciilifeform;in which ~all r&d perished
1876944;1543624789;asciilifeform;!#s fifth generation supercomputer
1876945;1543624789;a111;0 results for "fifth generation supercomputer", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=fifth%20generation%20supercomputer
1876946;1543624793;asciilifeform;hrm.
1876947;1543624809;asciilifeform;jp wunderwaffen, '80s. evaporated without a gram's trace.
1876948;1543624848;asciilifeform;db instead of idjit filesystems, parallel-errything instead of vonneumann, etc.
1876949;1543624863;asciilifeform;was pretty concrete thing, rather than vapour as ordinarily presented in anglowank.
1876950;1543625024;asciilifeform;from looking with the right magnifying glass, asciilifeform formed distinct impression that jp was raped by usg in erry hole not once, as ordinarily supposed, but ~twice~.
1876951;1543625063;asciilifeform;( whether there'll be a third time, i have nfi, possibly thing has no moar life juice remaining to stand up a third time )
1876952;1543625146;BingoBoingo;"Autodromo Virtual" (In an unlovable location): https://inmueble.mercadolibre.com.uy/MLU-456733049-local-en-venta-de-en-cordon-_JM
1876953;1543625167;asciilifeform;lol hey didn't we walk past that thing
1876954;1543625169;asciilifeform;whatever it is
1876955;1543625188;asciilifeform;loox rather familiar.
1876956;1543625215;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: what's that figure look like in gringodubloons ?
1876957;1543625234;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: That is gringodabloons
1876958;1543625239;asciilifeform;aaa aite
1876959;1543625250;BingoBoingo;Looks similar to places we walked past because painted in a pasta shop livery
1876960;1543625265;asciilifeform;i have nfi who and why would pay that for a 2room orc box
1876961;1543625265;BingoBoingo;But in an area with little reason to walk to
1876962;1543625278;asciilifeform;could buy e.g. three palaces in timisoara
1876963;1543625283;asciilifeform;with that
1876964;1543625293;BingoBoingo;https://inmueble.mercadolibre.com.uy/MLU-451579991-local-comercial-320-m2-martin-c-martinez-y-18-de-julio-_JM << Warehouse on mainstreet
1876965;1543625307;asciilifeform;four palaces.
1876966;1543625317;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> i have nfi who and why would pay that for a 2room orc box << That's the ask. It's a sale not a rental. Gotta break some balls
1876967;1543625356;BingoBoingo;Real estate sale prices in MVD are trending down, because Argentina doesn't have money to shelter anymore
1876968;1543625501;BingoBoingo;Apartments of the same or smaller size as Pizarro habitation module have a list price of ~100,000 USD even for sale. Rent for 14,500 to 16,000 pesos.
1876969;1543625506;asciilifeform;i can already picture idjit owner, 'i will sell! one day! this warehouse! and buy miami ticket!'
1876970;1543625584;BingoBoingo;Not being Argentina apparently busting balls to actual sale price ~30-70% lower is done here. Have not had opportunity to experiment myself
1876971;1543625642;asciilifeform;if i had with what to experiment, would prolly not resist temptation and go , experiment
1876972;1543625663;BingoBoingo;And prices do drop fast north of "Autodromo Virtual" but security needs increase
1876973;1543625673;asciilifeform;as it is, 30% of maxint is still maxint as far as asciilifeforms go
1876974;1543625792;BingoBoingo;Well, there are also kioskos located away from foot traffic too https://inmueble.mercadolibre.com.uy/MLU-457117648-local-en-venta-reparacion-de-celulares-quiniela-pilas-etc-_JM
1876975;1543625827;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i'ma bet that's either a rent price , a misprint, or a bold lie
1876976;1543625838;asciilifeform;it's missing at least 1 zero
1876977;1543625857;BingoBoingo;No, that's a sale price, but you are stuck with the operating cell phone repair business
1876978;1543625863;BingoBoingo;That's the buyer beware
1876979;1543625875;asciilifeform;really , stuck ?
1876980;1543625879;asciilifeform;and if you'd rather sell rakes ?
1876981;1543625883;asciilifeform;what happens ?
1876982;1543625923;BingoBoingo;Well, can sell rakes. But who knows what debts privious operator incurred with odd agencies that attach to the cell phone business
1876983;1543625931;asciilifeform;there is that.
1876984;1543625946;asciilifeform;there is also that it loox like literally 4 sq. m. room, a la ru prison, no bed space.
1876985;1543625957;BingoBoingo;Also, close to buy far enough from foot traffic to not get customers
1876986;1543625988;asciilifeform;there was a shithole like that in the carriageway of the 19th c megablock asciilifeform grew up in. d00d fixed clocks.
1876987;1543626002;BingoBoingo;Better situated kiosko https://inmueble.mercadolibre.com.uy/MLU-458670653-kiosko-bvar-espana-y-bvar-artigas-a-paso-de-facultades-_JM
1876988;1543626006;asciilifeform;( i think places like that were converted coachman's quarters )
1876989;1543626046;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: that dun look habitable either
1876990;1543626048;BingoBoingo;Near plaza Tolstoi https://inmueble.mercadolibre.com.uy/MLU-457475373-venta-de-llave-de-local-regaleria-funcionando-en-pocitos-_JM
1876991;1543626050;asciilifeform;prolly even lacks own latrine
1876992;1543626076;BingoBoingo;Probable
1876993;1543626092;asciilifeform;in these you won't put not only microscope, but not hammock either.
1876994;1543626131;BingoBoingo;Well, you wanted to walk away from maxint properties unencumbered by operating businesses
1876995;1543626171;BingoBoingo;Anyways, the broken dreams category https://listado.mercadolibre.com.uy/inmuebles/llave-negocio/venta/montevideo/venta-locales
1876996;1543626175;asciilifeform;lol but i can live in refrigerator crate for phree. dun need to pay 3k dubloon.
1876997;1543626223;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: these all look to be same type of item.
1876998;1543626254;BingoBoingo;Well, in the broken dreams category the properties often come with rental contract
1876999;1543626293;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> lol but i can live in refrigerator crate for phree. dun need to pay 3k dubloon. << To live in refrigerator crate in MVD requires constant vigilance and learning Pichi cultural competence
1877000;1543626302;asciilifeform;i'm sure it does.
1877001;1543626310;asciilifeform;but prolly not much moar so than the holes in wall.
1877002;1543626318;BingoBoingo;Quite a bit more
1877003;1543626359;BingoBoingo;Can improvise a locking door for hole in wall and play squatter's law game to regularize the address
1877004;1543626380;asciilifeform;do they have the u.s.-style wank where 'ohnoez you can't LIVE here, it's COMMERCIAL addy' ?
1877005;1543626413;BingoBoingo;They don't seem to. Couple older dudes appear to live in the back rooms of their larger kioskos
1877006;1543626440;asciilifeform;so why 'squatter law' then
1877007;1543626446;asciilifeform;buy, if yer hammock fits, live
1877008;1543626451;asciilifeform;shower when it rains, iguess
1877009;1543626480;asciilifeform;waltz the peru chick on that pnoje repair counter
1877010;1543626545;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> so why 'squatter law' then << Because there are hole in walls that don't have addresses, quite a few near feria zone. Occupy, sign up for a power connection, and get an address.
1877011;1543626554;BingoBoingo;!!up amberglint
1877012;1543626555;deedbot;amberglint voiced for 30 minutes.
1877013;1543626562;asciilifeform;i'ma bet the 3k u.s. hole in wall comes with 30k of debt tho. otherwise who would it be in them cardboard boxes.
1877014;1543626572;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: fella has key, can self-power
1877015;1543626578;BingoBoingo;Ah
1877016;1543626603;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> i'ma bet the 3k u.s. hole in wall comes with 30k of debt tho. otherwise who would it be in them cardboard boxes. << Pasta base is reportely a hell of a drug and it is not a free drug
1877017;1543626614;asciilifeform;wassat?
1877018;1543626631;amberglint;BingoBoingo: I was about to up myself, but thanks :)
1877019;1543626632;BingoBoingo;The local favored cocaine alkaloid
1877020;1543626637;asciilifeform;ah
1877021;1543626658;BingoBoingo;Like crack, but instead of smoking it normally gets gummed
1877022;1543626663;asciilifeform;ugh
1877023;1543626682;asciilifeform;sounds approx as appealing as krokodil
1877024;1543626700;amberglint;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1876938 << there was also a Soviet Refal machine: http://www.keldysh.ru/papers/2003/source/prep2003_99.doc
1877025;1543626700;a111;Logged on 2018-12-01 00:35 asciilifeform: 'Before leaving this subject, I should mention that there have been a number of interesting LISP Machine designs done outside the U.S., particularly in Japan. For example, see [Hayashi]' << asciilifeform once spent coupla months trying to dig up these. and europistan's 'racal norsk' also. found ~0.
1877026;1543626710;asciilifeform;amberglint: i'm familiar
1877027;1543626714;asciilifeform;was last-days thing
1877028;1543626715;amberglint;and the end of the paper mentions a Soviet Lisp machine
1877029;1543626724;amberglint;"После завершения работ по ЕС-2702 были начаты работы по аппаратной реализации языка Лисп. Эти работы были стимулированы всплеском интереса к задачам искусственного интеллекта."
1877030;1543626733;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> sounds approx as appealing as krokodil << Use is pretty much exclusive to pichis and children
1877031;1543626741;asciilifeform;amberglint: also familiar. it went to same place as all the non-pdpclone su stuff.
1877032;1543626744;asciilifeform;i.e. /dev/null
1877033;1543626750;amberglint;that's a shame
1877034;1543626770;amberglint;why the hell Soviets were so hell-bent on not doing anything original
1877035;1543626802;asciilifeform;managerial decision, some time circa 1978. we had thread here. old fart proclaimed 'use warez from usa, why pay software dev'
1877036;1543626856;amberglint;these days Russia buys outdated fabs from AMD and IBM
1877037;1543626863;asciilifeform;rents now. taiwan.
1877038;1543626866;asciilifeform;!#s elbrus
1877039;1543626866;a111;94 results for "elbrus", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=elbrus
1877040;1543626868;asciilifeform;^ see also
1877041;1543626870;amberglint;that too
1877042;1543626896;amberglint;AMD fab was gathering dust for ~7 years before it was recently put to any use
1877043;1543626917;asciilifeform;and they fab photoclones of ameri-crud.
1877044;1543626923;asciilifeform;today just like in 1978.
1877045;1543626930;asciilifeform;possibly not 1 actual native designer left alive.
1877046;1543626963;amberglint;the Elbrus designers can count as native, no?
1877047;1543626969;asciilifeform;old elbrus
1877048;1543626972;asciilifeform;1972.
1877049;1543626979;asciilifeform;current one is a 'sparc'
1877050;1543626997;amberglint;really? afaik it's a VLIW that has nothing to do with SPARC
1877051;1543627013;asciilifeform;there's 2 , 1 clone of 'itanic', 1 of sparc iirc
1877052;1543627029;asciilifeform;neither seems to exist on commercial markets anywhere
1877053;1543627056;amberglint;I've tried to obtain any docs for the VLIW thing, but it's under NDA for some reason
1877054;1543627060;asciilifeform;( asciilifeform and then mircea_popescu variously attempted to buy , 0 to show for it )
1877055;1543627079;asciilifeform;its under nda cuz it's dead-certainly a crude ripoff of existing ameri-trash
1877056;1543627092;amberglint;someone found the compiler for it though: https://www.linux.org.ru/forum/talks/14502270
1877057;1543627097;asciilifeform;same reason the video card crapolas are closed source
1877058;1543627161;amberglint;the lead designer of the VLIW Elbrus was later hired away by Intel
1877059;1543627190;asciilifeform;in fact looks like itanium.
1877060;1543627221;asciilifeform;aka 'the itanic'
1877061;1543627287;asciilifeform;amberglint: recall how microshit hired away entire staff of borland ?
1877062;1543627298;asciilifeform;famously sent limousine to pick them ALL up on same evening
1877063;1543627308;asciilifeform;nomoar borland.
1877064;1543627332;amberglint;asciilifeform: never heard of the limousine, but I know that C# was made by Delphi people
1877065;1543627347;asciilifeform;and arm64 by hired-away DEC alpha folx
1877066;1543627354;asciilifeform;( after which nomoar dec alpha )
1877067;1543627365;*;asciilifeform quite fond of alpha, the architecture book was ~thin~
1877068;1543627375;amberglint;the Chinese apparently borrowed Alpha for their homegrown arch
1877069;1543627385;asciilifeform;... and microcode was documented, os writer could add new instrs
1877070;1543627406;asciilifeform;none of the chinese archs, interestingly, available commercially either
1877071;1543627408;asciilifeform;rather like elbrus.
1877072;1543627418;asciilifeform;100% for internal use.
1877073;1543627469;asciilifeform;i've been trying to buy a 'loongson' for 5+yrs nao.
1877074;1543627475;asciilifeform;no canhaz.
1877075;1543627493;amberglint;oddly enough, there's a university textbook on Elbrus, no instruction set there either: http://www.mcst.ru/doc/book_121130.pdf
1877076;1543627503;asciilifeform;( then they went and ~licensed~ american mips. and i stopped wanting to buy. i can buy mips already )
1877077;1543627519;asciilifeform;mega-textbook, with no instr set, lol
1877078;1543627598;asciilifeform;reads more like commercial brochure.
1877079;1543627614;asciilifeform;pretty odd thing, has bus timings etc but indeed no instr set.
1877080;1543627615;asciilifeform;wtf
1877081;1543627627;asciilifeform;what the fuck is wrong with these people.
1877082;1543627646;asciilifeform;they seem to be heavily fucked in the head.
1877083;1543627674;amberglint;yet "Рекомендовано ... в качестве учебного пособия для студентов высших учебных заведений"
1877084;1543627682;asciilifeform;but ofcourse.
1877085;1543627715;asciilifeform;i have a b00k like that here, 'учебное пособие по криптографии' somthing or other. which fails to contain rsa.
1877086;1543627734;asciilifeform;some meathead minister signed off on it, and guesswat, it's Official textbook nao! in some shithole
1877087;1543627938;amberglint;do you know that Elbrus has a youtube channel for some reason? it's pretty strange: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6pnRoVljXKpo5bgkVyQMJg
1877088;1543627966;asciilifeform;lol 'can overclock elbrus ?'
1877089;1543627979;asciilifeform;i.e. == 'can butcher loch ness monster ? can make sausage?'
1877090;1543627999;amberglint;he also tries to sell it as a GTA and Doom machine
1877091;1543628019;asciilifeform;prolly satire
1877092;1543628031;asciilifeform;i dun think any plebe has laid hands on the thing or ever will
1877093;1543628043;amberglint;he works at MCST
1877094;1543628067;asciilifeform;well i dun work there , lol , so cannot say whether he does or no. but still funny.
1877095;1543628139;asciilifeform;wake me up when they make a http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-23#1865375 , + open docs like http://nosuchlabs.com/hardware.html
1877096;1543628139;a111;Logged on 2018-10-23 14:21 asciilifeform: fabricate it in 1uM or similar 1980s process. package with optical quartz lid , a la old EPROMs, for audit-with-childrens-microscope.
1877097;1543628177;asciilifeform;as it is, they've copied ALL of the ameri-idiocies, incl. 'closed errything'
1877098;1543628189;asciilifeform;intel is rubbish, but at least i can go to junkyard and get it.
1877099;1543628210;asciilifeform;'elbrus' can get in dreams only.
1877100;1543628303;amberglint;I wonder why do they even bother with this junk
1877101;1543628355;asciilifeform;'sovereignty'
1877102;1543628362;asciilifeform;!!up amberglint
1877103;1543628362;deedbot;amberglint voiced for 30 minutes.
1877104;1543628380;asciilifeform;why not ask why mcst makes pentium clone. to run winblowz on.
1877105;1543628382;asciilifeform;( it does )
1877106;1543628399;asciilifeform;what kind of sense does ~that~ make.
1877107;1543628407;amberglint;the 'sovereign' fabs all run Cadence and Mentor Graphics stuff
1877108;1543628412;asciilifeform;indeed they do
1877109;1543628414;asciilifeform;on mswin.
1877110;1543628435;asciilifeform;on, i'll add, imported intels.
1877111;1543628494;asciilifeform;last yr ( and before ) i talked to a coupla ic fabs, in various countries. they all not only run winshit but demand that you use their 'standard cells', which available (surprise?) under nda
1877112;1543628499;asciilifeform;as cadence crapola
1877113;1543628511;asciilifeform;whole biz is rotten from head to feet.
1877114;1543628564;amberglint;I've seen some open 130nm PDK for Magic CAD recently somewhere, can't find it
1877115;1543628567;asciilifeform;pcb fabs, much more pedestrian affair, are run sanely, they eat PNGs and text file of coords/rotations for placer robot.
1877116;1543628572;asciilifeform;but for some reason no ic fab does.
1877117;1543628612;asciilifeform;concern appears to be 'But Our Seekrit Process Chem!1111'
1877118;1543628654;asciilifeform;( at 'modern' micronicities, fab process is no longer standard but custom to the chem, and entirely diff at each fab house. hence the proprietary tooling crapolade. )
1877119;1543628659;amberglint;what about this? https://www.mosis.com/pages/design/flows/design-flow-scmos-kits
1877120;1543628672;asciilifeform;!#s mosis
1877121;1543628672;a111;7 results for "mosis", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=mosis
1877122;1543628674;asciilifeform;^ see also
1877123;1543628701;asciilifeform;approx same thing.
1877124;1543628706;asciilifeform;there was a french one also, similar.
1877125;1543628719;asciilifeform;+ they charge weight in diamonds, per die.
1877126;1543628744;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-25#1865751 << see also
1877127;1543628744;a111;Logged on 2018-10-25 05:14 asciilifeform: there's a coupla 'small scale' fabs, but on close examination smell like ripoff, they ship with literally 0 guarantee of yield , and in laughable qty , and with laughable transistor count, and -- to add insult to injury -- die packaging not included, you gotta somehow find someone to do it, somewhere
1877128;1543628811;amberglint;at least they eat input from Magic CAD without NDA crap?
1877129;1543628818;asciilifeform;claims, at least.
1877130;1543628841;*;asciilifeform not tried, and not about to pay 1000 $ ea. for ~unpackaged~ may-or-may-not-work dies
1877131;1543628945;asciilifeform;iirc mircea_popescu's hypothesis was that the whole thing is an 'idiot tax' for people who don't know how to get'em made in cn
1877132;1543628957;asciilifeform;but we currently have 0 penetration into cn, so i've nothing to add to this yet
1877133;1543629481;asciilifeform;there's arguably 2 separate problems at hand : 1) how to bake an ic such that it's an actual economic proposition, rather than resembling that car e. musk launched to mars 2) to get it done by someone other than malicious winshit-idiots . both -- currently open problems.
1877134;1543629519;asciilifeform;i , for instance, dun have with what to launch car into mars. mircea_popescu -- has with what, but is smart enuff not to.
1877135;1543629574;amberglint;has anyone tried to reverse-engineer Cadence shit?
1877136;1543629581;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> but we currently have 0 penetration into cn, so i've nothing to add to this yet << Chinese tend to have more trouble with the letter "rr" than I do
1877137;1543629596;asciilifeform;amberglint: not only not afaik; but even ~microshit word doc~ format not fully reversed yet.
1877138;1543629600;asciilifeform;it's a moving target, elementarily
1877139;1543629612;asciilifeform;by the time someone reverses, they change it, and force the idjit users to 'upgrade'
1877140;1543629624;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: they aint got a 'r'.
1877141;1543629663;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Apparently not. Not in the sense spanish has two of them.
1877142;1543629672;asciilifeform;not in any sense.
1877143;1543629676;asciilifeform;it aint phonemic to'em.
1877144;1543629686;asciilifeform;sorta how the hindu glottal 'd' isn't to us.
1877145;1543629714;asciilifeform;or those horrid 3 variant of thorn the arabs have.
1877146;1543630382;BingoBoingo;Short walk (other side of front door) to the feria https://inmueble.mercadolibre.com.uy/MLU-457798235-en-cordon-_JM
1877147;1543630412;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: fwiw we definitely walked past that.
1877148;1543630421;BingoBoingo;We did indeed
1877149;1543630429;asciilifeform;wai no inside pics
1877150;1543630431;asciilifeform;prolly trashed ?
1877151;1543630484;asciilifeform;and that's a washington price. these people have fucked heads.
1877152;1543630500;asciilifeform;even if cut it in half.
1877153;1543630536;BingoBoingo;Inside prolly trashed
1877154;1543630558;asciilifeform;i bet they get tax writeoff for 'not sold or rented it this yr, just like last 20 yrs' like ameritards get
1877155;1543630561;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> and that's a washington price. these people have fucked heads. << Well, how many dindus does Washington have vs how many Montevideo has
1877156;1543630572;asciilifeform;still riotous
1877157;1543630593;amberglint;asciilifeform: someone at UC Berkeley tried to suck grantolade by welding hardware GC to RISC-V: https://people.eecs.berkeley.edu/~maas/papers/maas-asbd16-hwgc.pdf
1877158;1543630606;asciilifeform;amberglint: even sun flirted with iron gc, in '90s
1877159;1543630607;asciilifeform;went nowhere
1877160;1543630638;asciilifeform;amberglint: it's a http://funnypicture.zoda.ru/bd/2011/10/14/8e55f8a1cd38eb6ed761e4897058d1b7.jpg
1877161;1543630652;amberglint;lol yeah
1877162;1543630679;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> i bet they get tax writeoff for 'not sold or rented it this yr, just like last 20 yrs' like ameritards get << Well property taxes here like income taxes are relatively low.
1877163;1543630686;BingoBoingo;IVA's the bitch
1877164;1543630699;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: then it's straight miami 'I AM WORTH!' delusionism, i guess
1877165;1543630710;BingoBoingo;Well, gotta talk em down
1877166;1543630760;asciilifeform;amberglint: gc without tagged words is a lol
1877167;1543630908;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: for comparison : 100k in ye olde ro buys any of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-28#1743485
1877168;1543630908;a111;Logged on 2017-11-28 00:02 asciilifeform: other typical items : http://www.loper-os.org/pub/timis_sad_mansion.jpg http://www.loper-os.org/pub/timis_sad_mansion_2.jpg http://www.loper-os.org/pub/timis_sad_factory.jpg
1877169;1543630927;asciilifeform;and , for all i know, would buy a http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-27#1743464
1877170;1543630927;a111;Logged on 2017-11-27 23:46 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/timis_tower_1.jpg + http://www.loper-os.org/pub/timis_tower_2.jpg << subj ( and it dun fit in 1 frame, even )
1877171;1543631017;asciilifeform;( what the 'catch' is , iirc was discussed in the l0gz )
1877172;1543631089;asciilifeform;i dun think i in entire life saw bldgs as sweet as the ones in timis.
1877173;1543631100;asciilifeform;( or smelled air as clean )
1877174;1543631110;asciilifeform;or ate food as edible. etc
1877175;1543631157;asciilifeform;it was a fuckin' valhalla ( admittedly, valhalla only while yer jacket pockets are fulla green )
1877176;1543631230;asciilifeform;whatever pantsuitocalypse had killed it in mircea_popescu's eyes, was not detectable to my instruments.
1877177;1543631245;asciilifeform;( perhaps if one tried to set up there, would find out.. )
1877178;1543631312;asciilifeform;beautifully depopulated , too, 0 crowds, 0 queues. sorta like a hypothetical bunenos aires after redditbagging complete.
1877179;1543631364;BingoBoingo;And what happens when the somali syrian refugees walk there?
1877180;1543631371;asciilifeform;they starve.
1877181;1543631375;asciilifeform;hence why not walked.
1877182;1543631385;asciilifeform;they haven't invented payola there yet.
1877183;1543631423;asciilifeform;( just like in ru -- 'refugees' only went to ru while finland border were open )
1877184;1543631423;BingoBoingo;I thought they uninvented it
1877185;1543631427;asciilifeform;not afaik
1877186;1543631431;asciilifeform;out of what, would they.
1877187;1543631460;BingoBoingo;Well, they had the whole communism thing where mircea_popescu got a silver spoon and everyone else payola
1877188;1543631469;asciilifeform;ah that
1877189;1543631473;asciilifeform;that world -- gone
1877190;1543631520;asciilifeform;currently it's a mostly empty country, with a few 'mercedes' plants as 'economy'
1877191;1543631569;asciilifeform;( in bucharest there's a microshit bldg, where they keep amstan 's . but that's afaik more or less it )
1877192;1543631643;asciilifeform;i went to a zoo. there was ONE other visitor, a brit.
1877193;1543631662;asciilifeform;( was there for ~4hrs, very relaxy spot. ~no other folx. )
1877194;1543631699;asciilifeform;somehow montevideo with , what, 2mil+ people, can't keep a zoo open
1877195;1543631707;asciilifeform;and timis with maybe 100k people, can
1877196;1543631818;asciilifeform;i have nfi how it is even possible to have ~empty town where ~erry other walker you see on the sidewalk is a hot chix.
1877197;1543631820;asciilifeform;but somehow there it was.
1877198;1543631878;asciilifeform;( or how meal that can't be bought in usa for $1000+ can cost 10 . )
1877199;1543631909;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> somehow montevideo with , what, 2mil+ people, can't keep a zoo open << Aparently there is another newer zoo
1877200;1543631918;asciilifeform;oh hah. been to it yet ?
1877201;1543631921;BingoBoingo;But less conveniently located
1877202;1543631936;BingoBoingo;It's part of a "park" in favela land
1877203;1543631960;asciilifeform;ugh
1877204;1543631996;BingoBoingo;Neighborhood may not be that bad, but it is at least a bus ride away in a direction that leaves me unenthused
1877205;1543632009;asciilifeform;prolly worth going 1ce.
1877206;1543632022;asciilifeform;gotta colour in that map.
1877207;1543632026;BingoBoingo;There's another zoo not far in Atlantida, on the to visit list
1877208;1543632029;asciilifeform;whoknows, maybe that's where they sell hdds..
1877209;1543632056;BingoBoingo;https://inmueble.mercadolibre.com.uy/MLU-454535504-local-industrial-o-deposito-union-500-m2-galpon-_JM << SEM home
1877210;1543632065;asciilifeform;lol
1877211;1543632068;BingoBoingo;operating factory with 3-phase service
1877212;1543632082;asciilifeform;this thread leads to drink, so i'ma stop here for nao, off to non-electronic room, bbl.
1877213;1543632218;*;mircea_popescu has just drank, can then pick it uo
1877214;1543632320;mircea_popescu;in the other lulz : LordMPofTMSR 38M Master ~~~1y~~~~ "How goes ?" mermaidkynna  25F sub 4h "Good"
1877215;1543632433;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-30#1876836 << whole fucking idea is to a) lighten the load of dying empire ; b) round the coffers of republican corps to better divorce from vagaries of usg faux "market".
1877216;1543632433;a111;Logged on 2018-11-30 22:31 asciilifeform: prolly oughta add that surplus SEM in particular ( and similar irons ) 1) generally live in usa 2) dun exactly fit in smuggle-trunk under old shirts
1877217;1543632592;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-30#1876843 << sort of thing that makes me suspicious of the whole "good science" theory etc. but, won't rehash, pretty sure we did that already to the point it died of end mommentum.
1877218;1543632592;a111;Logged on 2018-11-30 22:37 asciilifeform: i still can't fucking believe that d00d. 'my experiment requires 3 litres of virgin tears' 'hey al, i took 300 virgins and ran then rom-coms until they cried 3L, here it is in a mason jar' 'but! reasons!'
1877219;1543632648;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-30#1876855 << pretty sure this actually occured kek.
1877220;1543632648;a111;Logged on 2018-11-30 22:41 asciilifeform: for some reason i immediately picture that story where 'abrams' tank was smuggled to su in diplo-crates, piecemeal
1877221;1543632777;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-30#1876876 << makes chainsaws too you know :D
1877222;1543632777;a111;Logged on 2018-11-30 22:56 asciilifeform: it's rather like a 'caterpillar'. how many folx do you know who have own 'caterpillar' and dun work it erry day for daily bread.
1877223;1543632857;mircea_popescu;\http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-30#1876891 << kinda the problem, this is how airports end up owning a fleet of eg iceploughs : "we only need them 3 days each decade -- but as it happens it's always the exact fucking three day you can't possibly fucking find one to rent, of these items that otherwise go for 500 a day."
1877224;1543632857;a111;Logged on 2018-11-30 23:03 BingoBoingo: Having a rebuilt caterpillar is usually a result of it being inconvenient to rent when it brings the most convenience
1877225;1543632952;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-30#1876903 << something like that, yeah.
1877226;1543632952;a111;Logged on 2018-11-30 23:14 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it's a biz, there are folx who do it, i've talked to half dozen of'em last yr ( all in cn , 0 in latrine america ) -- but i dun presently know how to break into it
1877227;1543633526;mircea_popescu;"Rice, 30, first claimed to have raised $300m from AriseBank's coin offering, then upped that figure to $600m, and later promised this could be the first billion-dollar crypto-dosh offering. However, despite all that publicity and hype, it is claimed hundreds of punters invested just $4.25m in exchange for the bank's tokens." << keks. and this is after usg multiply-magic, "we found 777 kgs of cocaine in the shape of a toyota
1877228;1543633526;mircea_popescu;plasticar whose glove compartment held a dime bag. whole item weight -- counts".
1877229;1543634066;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1876937 << this sorta thing... "picture what naggum could've done with vtrees and wots" etc. if only netwon had neutron gun!
1877230;1543634066;a111;Logged on 2018-12-01 00:33 asciilifeform: picture what those folx could've done with modern fab.
1877231;1543634157;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1876942 <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-29#1876009 ; also ended anglo finance and ~everything else. there's a ushinski story about the cat fighting a falcon, end results similar.
1877232;1543634157;a111;Logged on 2018-12-01 00:38 asciilifeform: jp was a hair's width away from picking up the torch that anglotardistan dropped, and anglos knew this, and so in late '80s they engineered an economic implosion for'em
1877233;1543634157;a111;Logged on 2018-11-29 17:55 mircea_popescu: led to the usual symptoms of imperial decay -- monetization of real estate (a bad idea throughout, even if it repatriated the money japs made selling toyotas/sinking detroit in the 70s -- sorta like arsenic is bad for you even if it "keeps syphilis inactive" and so on) ; the star model driving and being driven by the fashion cycle, and so the fuck on.
1877234;1543634250;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1876950 << -- >> http://trilema.com/2013/let-me-tell-you-about-jean-moscopol/#selection-795.377-795.435 ; germany quite same situation.
1877235;1543634250;a111;Logged on 2018-12-01 00:43 asciilifeform: from looking with the right magnifying glass, asciilifeform formed distinct impression that jp was raped by usg in erry hole not once, as ordinarily supposed, but ~twice~.
1877236;1543634603;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877034 << weird "saving self" thing, like the indians have with ejaculation. seems nutty enough if expressed, but it's kinda my takeaway, soviet thought "last man to think wins".
1877237;1543634603;a111;Logged on 2018-12-01 01:12 amberglint: why the hell Soviets were so hell-bent on not doing anything original
1877238;1543634739;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877053 << the "AriseBank" reason. there's this large class of idle idiots who think "secrecy" might be confused with value. much like there's a cloud of fat stupid old women not even the dogs would fuck, who imagine they're being coy.
1877239;1543634739;a111;Logged on 2018-12-01 01:17 amberglint: I've tried to obtain any docs for the VLIW thing, but it's under NDA for some reason
1877240;1543634861;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877082 << lmao. those two lines eminently bashable.
1877241;1543634861;a111;Logged on 2018-12-01 01:27 asciilifeform: they seem to be heavily fucked in the head.
1877242;1543635101;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877135 << what would impel anyone to ?
1877243;1543635101;a111;Logged on 2018-12-01 01:59 amberglint: has anyone tried to reverse-engineer Cadence shit?
1877244;1543635318;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877191 << is one in timisoara also, "alcatel" of all things.
1877245;1543635318;a111;Logged on 2018-12-01 02:32 asciilifeform: ( in bucharest there's a microshit bldg, where they keep amstan 's . but that's afaik more or less it )
1877246;1543635474;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877212 << you can have a decent, new construction, 4-6k sqm floor space metal structure warehouse in ro for 100k+/-. but yes, more generally there's no place for real estate like europe. rest of the world, latam especially, 100% africans, built five huts in fifteen centuries. of which two burned down, so the other three are EVEN MORE VALUABLE NOW
1877247;1543635474;a111;Logged on 2018-12-01 02:41 asciilifeform: this thread leads to drink, so i'ma stop here for nao, off to non-electronic room, bbl.
1877248;1543635881;BingoBoingo;Sounds about right
1877249;1543636024;BingoBoingo;Now if you want to see delusional cranked up a few notches... There's Paraguay https://inmueble.mercadolibre.com.py/MPY-400223044-vendo-quinta-en-minga-guazu-alto-paranakm-185codg38-_JM
1877250;1543636366;amberglint;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877242 << getting more 'sovereignty' which supposedly impelled the ru gov to buy the fabs in the first place, could gradually replace the IC software stack with something homegrown if cared; nothing to impel anyone without those fabs, of course
1877251;1543636366;a111;Logged on 2018-12-01 03:31 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877135 << what would impel anyone to ?
1877252;1543637597;BingoBoingo;!Qlater tell amberglint your last line ties into the real estate thread. Easier to buy things than make things or have them made
1877253;1543637597;lobbesbot;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
1877254;1543682670;BingoBoingo;In the Qntra comments: http://qntra.net/2017/07/miners-signal-segwit-via-bip-91-lock-in-avoiding-user-activated-fork/#comment-120995
1877255;1543684386;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/12/clinton-foreign-kickbacks-whistleblower-raided-by-fbi/ << Qntra - Clinton Foreign Kickbacks Whistleblower Raided By FBI
1877256;1543687631;BingoBoingo;In sad news normally the kiosko on my block would be open today. It is not. Apparently grab and run shoplifting kills margins here.
1877257;1543688453;BingoBoingo;Also many apologies, this should have been linked much more in the past http://trilema.com/2013/simple-yet-effective-way-to-troll-white-rich-american-people/
1877258;1543688944;BingoBoingo;And 'n further lulz not-President McCain gets more funeral time than Jorge Walker Bush I
1877259;1543689206;BingoBoingo;!Qlater tell danielpbarron If I find karaoke in MVD will you consider a prospecting visit?
1877260;1543689206;lobbesbot;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
1877261;1543689348;danielpbarron;i will consider a visit with or without the karaoke
1877262;1543689348;lobbesbot;danielpbarron: Sent 2 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> If I find karaoke in MVD will you consider a prospecting visit?
1877263;1543689431;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877254 << pretty lulzy, and apparently not a joak -- indeed some folx, somewhere, habitually move 20-30k coin in 1 shot, and doing it with prb and onto segshitaddrs
1877264;1543689431;a111;Logged on 2018-12-01 16:44 BingoBoingo: In the Qntra comments: http://qntra.net/2017/07/miners-signal-segwit-via-bip-91-lock-in-avoiding-user-activated-fork/#comment-120995
1877265;1543689480;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1875012 << see also.
1877266;1543689480;a111;Logged on 2018-11-26 22:55 asciilifeform: but possibly this only worx on a ~very~ long timescale
1877267;1543689529;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: Given that your system makes partnerships and joint ventures difficult, have you given thought to services you could offer the republic or your church which might justify racking a box?
1877268;1543689636;danielpbarron;the church doesn't need one; maybe some day they could use shared hosting if whatever they use now gets shut down
1877269;1543689662;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877231 << not familiar with story; canhaz link ?
1877270;1543689662;a111;Logged on 2018-12-01 03:15 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1876942 <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-29#1876009 ; also ended anglo finance and ~everything else. there's a ushinski story about the cat fighting a falcon, end results similar.
1877271;1543689681;asciilifeform;( was it a variant of aesop's frog and scorpion..? )
1877272;1543689695;asciilifeform;'i must bite' 'you will drown'
1877273;1543689701;danielpbarron;as for me, there is the poker bot that i haven't done yet, but i don't know that it needs its own whole machine
1877274;1543689726;asciilifeform;rly, danielpbarron , you'd make a poker without rng ?
1877275;1543689729;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: Well, something must be said for the parallels between an independent box and a sort of temple.
1877276;1543689764;danielpbarron;asciilifeform, i was thinking i could make a big binary file with FG at home, and send it to the bot
1877277;1543689780;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: we have a thread re the problem of storing rng.
1877278;1543689795;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-01#1838855 << e.g.
1877279;1543689795;a111;Logged on 2018-08-01 22:03 mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as data that is all three of 1) random ; 2) useful and 3) buffered.
1877280;1543689816;danielpbarron;ah, ok
1877281;1543689818;asciilifeform;if you stored rng, and somebody gets a peek...
1877282;1543689903;danielpbarron;the poker bot spec includes seeds from each individual player. would that make it ok, or still bad?
1877283;1543689907;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877236 << not my reading. there was plenty of interesting, original work , it was fatwa'd in late '70s by brezhnev's bean counters, who did not see the problem with 'copy DEC and use foreign soft, better cheaper faster' etc
1877284;1543689907;a111;Logged on 2018-12-01 03:23 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877034 << weird "saving self" thing, like the indians have with ejaculation. seems nutty enough if expressed, but it's kinda my takeaway, soviet thought "last man to think wins".
1877285;1543689935;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: seems like in that case you dun need any rng at all
1877286;1543689943;asciilifeform;iirc mircea_popescu described a similar scheme a few yrs ago
1877287;1543689951;danielpbarron;it's his spec
1877288;1543689955;asciilifeform;ah
1877289;1543689963;asciilifeform;then i'ma leave it alone, prolly contains complete algo
1877290;1543689970;asciilifeform;( can't recall from memory )
1877291;1543689974;danielpbarron;pretty sure it was RNG + player seeds, publish after hand/game
1877292;1543690053;danielpbarron;the player seeds would be buffered too tho, so i guess it's still the same problem
1877293;1543690073;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877246 << ~same price as in the boonies in usa
1877294;1543690073;a111;Logged on 2018-12-01 03:37 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877212 << you can have a decent, new construction, 4-6k sqm floor space metal structure warehouse in ro for 100k+/-. but yes, more generally there's no place for real estate like europe. rest of the world, latam especially, 100% africans, built five huts in fifteen centuries. of which two burned down, so the other three are EVEN MORE VALUABLE NOW
1877295;1543690111;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: yer on a computer, errything is at least slightly buffered. problem with 'here's a year worth of rng' is 1) somebody gets to it 2) what when you run through ?
1877296;1543690138;danielpbarron;what time frame is acceptable?
1877297;1543690170;asciilifeform;i dun expect this is a q having a straight mathematical answer
1877298;1543690181;asciilifeform;will depend on your taste / risk tolerance
1877299;1543690195;asciilifeform;FG buffers 2 bytes.
1877300;1543690241;asciilifeform;( i recommend to read the sores , you will learn how asciilifeform approached the whole rng biz )
1877301;1543690295;lobbes;danielpbarron: fwiw my pizarro rockchip has served me well thus far as a home for both auctionbot and for mp-wp. Hell, you could run a mirror for your church's www in the event it goes down AND host the poker bot
1877302;1543690313;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/12/pantsuit-religious-figure-neil-degrasse-tyson-hit-with-bad-touch-allegations/ << Qntra - Pantsuit Religious Figure Neil deGrasse Tyson Hit With "Bad Touch" Allegations
1877303;1543690318;danielpbarron;yeah that's something to consider
1877304;1543690335;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: consider. there's also FG option for rk.
1877305;1543690341;danielpbarron;gotta make it first tho, shared hosting is fine for my blog in the meantime
1877306;1543690349;BingoBoingo;lobbes: I suspect for gambling danielpbarron will want a "closed" box
1877307;1543690432;danielpbarron;what's the legality of such a thing? bot hosted in uraguay but operater lives in US
1877308;1543690455;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: theoretically inevitable gasenwagen. but in practice prolly depends on whether anybody actually uses.
1877309;1543690507;danielpbarron;i don't care so much about gaswagon; Bible says to obey laws
1877310;1543690520;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: then definite haram
1877311;1543690527;BingoBoingo;It's uruguay, as long as you don't advertise Uruguay marijuana to Uruguayos they don't care much, otherwise fall back to http://trilema.com/2013/simple-yet-effective-way-to-troll-white-rich-american-people/ nuclear option
1877312;1543690554;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: if he's into 'give unto caesar' it's defo haram, in usa 'gamble' ~= terrorism(tm)
1877313;1543690555;BingoBoingo;Our beloved Bitcoin MUD has been running since 2009
1877314;1543690559;asciilifeform;vegas dun like competition.
1877315;1543690564;danielpbarron;pretty sure they got micon of seals with clubs in a very similar situation
1877316;1543690580;BingoBoingo;Miconazole got fucked for being stupid
1877317;1543690622;danielpbarron;doesn't stop me from writing a bot
1877318;1543690703;BingoBoingo;Anyways you take the ears off of a Qntra 9" deep rackmount box and it fits in a medium sized 24" checked bag
1877319;1543690736;asciilifeform;usg claims ownership of all gamblers, http://trilema.com/2015/a-new-software-licensing-paradigm/#selection-133.0-140.0 - style; and thereby prosecutes pokerists in same style as e.g. cig smugglers in nyc
1877320;1543690740;BingoBoingo;No rails to fuck with because ass isn't heavy enough to need them
1877321;1543690759;*;BingoBoingo has yet to see FBI raid on MVD shopping casino
1877322;1543690806;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: they dun bother going to foreign rack, normally, if it suffices to pick up 'evil mastermind' who conveniently sits in the reich
1877323;1543690843;asciilifeform;incidentally, danielpbarron , iirc yer a money man, wtf are you still doing parked in the reich ??
1877324;1543690853;danielpbarron;even if i knew for sure somehow that i'd never get picked up, my conscience wouldn't be clear
1877325;1543690865;danielpbarron;church is in reich
1877326;1543690866;asciilifeform;i'm here cuz i'ma pauper. why are you in the reich danielpbarron ?
1877327;1543690880;asciilifeform;i thought church was wherever 3 believers sat under 1 roof
1877328;1543690886;asciilifeform;or am i out of date on subj
1877329;1543690901;danielpbarron;i don't know of any believers anywhere else
1877330;1543690925;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: can you move'em ? jim jones somehow managed, lol
1877331;1543690937;danielpbarron;i'm not poor but i can't do that
1877332;1543691027;asciilifeform;sad if troo. eventually they'll not only pick the lot of you up, but you'll sit with 'bad conscience' ( why , exactly ? in ru old believers sat for decades in prisons with 100% clear consciences )
1877333;1543691116;asciilifeform;last i recall, being tortured by heathen 'state' is +9000 martyrdom points ( but then again i might be out of date ? )
1877334;1543691200;BingoBoingo;If it wasn't for the datacenter need, Peru, costal Colombia, or Atlantida, Uruguay would have been places to colonize
1877335;1543691240;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: he doesn't actually need to live next door to the rack
1877336;1543691259;BingoBoingo;Which is why I am slowly expanding his bullseye
1877337;1543691280;BingoBoingo;Durazno department, Uruguay s basically Oklahoma with orchards
1877338;1543691426;BingoBoingo;I can't speak for Brasil other than Brasileros like to come here to escape beach crimes against their persons and property
1877339;1543691664;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877242 << fwiw 'cadence' has ~monopoly not only on ic cad, but on 'heavy industrial' pcb cad, for 16+ layers mobo etc. i actually one time tried to use it, warez , winblowz box, & all, it was monstrously gnarly, loathesome. but if yer making sumthing with 100,000s of netlist nodes, dozens of pcb layers, ball grid ics with 1,000s of balls, yer more or less stuck with it. i've avoided strictly by virt
1877340;1543691664;a111;Logged on 2018-12-01 03:31 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877135 << what would impel anyone to ?
1877341;1543691664;asciilifeform;ue of making 'small' (e.g. FG) items, to date.
1877342;1543691769;asciilifeform;( observe that even FG i had to design on a warez cad, after wasting ~months~ on trying 'open sores' variants; but at least it was much lighter-weight / non-winblowz item. still had to be cracked, & run on a 'toilet'. )
1877343;1543691818;asciilifeform;!#s cadsoft
1877344;1543691818;a111;8 results for "cadsoft", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=cadsoft
1877345;1543691821;asciilifeform;^ see also
1877346;1543691875;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: cad is 1 of the open problems for which a bolix clone would be +9000 mechanical lever.
1877347;1543691900;asciilifeform;MUCH easier to write on top of a sane os, with sane raster graphics stack etc, than on anyffing we presently have.
1877348;1543691929;asciilifeform;that very 'ns' which amberglint cracked, and on which 'ivory' was baked, was 20k loc !!
1877349;1543691965;asciilifeform;( and it did both chips AND pcb AND motherfucking signal simulations !! )
1877350;1543692003;asciilifeform;and -- will point out -- ran on the 3600 series boxen, where 4MB was 'princely' ram, and 2MHz was cpu clock.
1877351;1543692089;asciilifeform;btw a very good chunk of the present-day cad monopoly biz is powered by tech written by bolix escapees. i tracked some of'em down ( and no they dun answer my mail... ) , they built the current cad houses.
1877352;1543692105;BingoBoingo;In local news, lol pichis https://www.subrayado.com.uy/cuidacoches-que-exigen-dinero-una-falta-que-se-denuncia-poco-y-no-se-puede-erradicar-n520297
1877353;1543692114;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: wtf again is a pichi
1877354;1543692126;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: A pichi is a bum
1877355;1543692137;BingoBoingo;So named because they make the streets smell like piss
1877356;1543692143;asciilifeform;hrm, i thought they were ethnics ( incas who somehow slipped from the spanish mines ? )
1877357;1543692160;BingoBoingo;Nah, mostly pale Italian stock
1877358;1543692168;asciilifeform;lol i had nfi
1877359;1543692186;BingoBoingo;Sure, how many people in traffic safety vests did we walk past?
1877360;1543692208;asciilifeform;these were bums?!
1877361;1543692221;BingoBoingo;Yes, to varying depths
1877362;1543692245;BingoBoingo;"Ciudado coches" i.e. begging for alms to not injure parked cars
1877363;1543692281;asciilifeform;i vaguely recall that brazil used to shoot these right on the spot, a++ approach, but possibly this was in the good old days and nomoar
1877364;1543692326;BingoBoingo;Nominally what they get paid for is helping people back their cars out, but...
1877365;1543692398;BingoBoingo;Mostly they sell paraguay brick weed to lower unvested pichis
1877366;1543692432;BingoBoingo;(pronounced paraguaSH)
1877367;1543692442;asciilifeform;but of course SH
1877368;1543692446;asciilifeform;like argentards
1877369;1543692495;BingoBoingo;Well, the noun is pronounced Paraguway, but the adjective is pronounced ParaguaSH
1877370;1543692514;asciilifeform;yea straight s/ll/sh
1877371;1543692531;asciilifeform;iirc whole bottom half of south amer is likethat
1877372;1543692541;asciilifeform;'casteshano'
1877373;1543692541;BingoBoingo;With whatever the fuck Y does being a coinflip
1877374;1543692610;BingoBoingo;But yes, the vest people interested in cars are a sort of bum
1877375;1543692654;asciilifeform;here in northern reich we have 'lemme wash yer car' bums but for the most part they dun dare to molest parked vehicle
1877376;1543692671;asciilifeform;it's rather like molestation of cow in india
1877377;1543692677;BingoBoingo;Official Blue vests sold their souls for more rules, Orange and yellow vests just want to get high and delay their own mortality
1877378;1543692678;asciilifeform;will 'have problems' quickly
1877379;1543692709;BingoBoingo;There are intersection "car wash" bums too, but they have problems
1877380;1543692741;BingoBoingo;Lack of intersections that allow them time to make their pitch, and they get seen touching cars
1877381;1543692822;BingoBoingo;Anyways, the biggest threat to parked cars is people parking their own cars. According to local lore plastic bumpers make vechicles immune to low speed collision damage and so when parking local will force a parking spot into existence
1877382;1543692865;asciilifeform;clearly a market for spiked rear bumpers!111
1877383;1543692889;BingoBoingo;It's what the vest folks are supposed to prevent
1877384;1543693815;asciilifeform;in other lulz, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-27#1875120 gambit still not 'final solution' to spamola -- i now get 1-2 turds in mod queue erry day. ( hats off, i guess, to the spammers who know how to xor 2 small ints.. )
1877385;1543693815;a111;Logged on 2018-11-27 15:05 asciilifeform: in other lulz, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1874898 worx a+++ : prior, there was always 1 or 2 spamola in the mod queue erry day, ~through the broken google liquishit~, whereas nao -- none
1877386;1543693869;asciilifeform;maybe i'ma swap it for 1 of those 'solve this here triple integral' puzzlers that some ru forum use nao
1877387;1543693982;asciilifeform;... it is also possible that they threw in random ints and got lucky, the machine log does not rule out this hypothesis
1877388;1543693988;asciilifeform;( seems to take'em coupla dozen shots )
1877389;1543694004;asciilifeform;after all answr is a 3 (decimal) digit
1877390;1543694676;*;asciilifeform enhanced the spam trap a little bit
1877391;1543695291;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877255 << top keks.
1877392;1543695291;a111;Logged on 2018-12-01 17:13 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/12/clinton-foreign-kickbacks-whistleblower-raided-by-fbi/ << Qntra - Clinton Foreign Kickbacks Whistleblower Raided By FBI
1877393;1543695319;mircea_popescu;"oh, what do you mean '''orange man''' is sending pantsuited hilarity to same cell block argentine whore lives on"
1877394;1543695569;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877271 << was not ; and obviously ~only substantial reference to item on whole "world wide web" is trilema. because everyone else literally lives in vain, what.
1877395;1543695569;a111;Logged on 2018-12-01 18:41 asciilifeform: ( was it a variant of aesop's frog and scorpion..? )
1877396;1543695630;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/6747/24302342.1a7/0_9dea5_99e0ef8d_orig << orig ilustration, perhaps helps.
1877397;1543695871;asciilifeform;https://ushinskij-konstantin-pisatel.larec-skazok.ru/orel-i-koshka << found, ty
1877398;1543695904;asciilifeform;i somehow missed reading this one as a larva
1877399;1543695931;asciilifeform;and yea it dun end how i thought it oughta ( i.e. both beasts keel over )
1877400;1543695935;mircea_popescu;ha! nice!
1877401;1543695944;mircea_popescu;nah, cat wins a pyrrhyc victory.
1877402;1543695950;mircea_popescu;anyway, was over a kitten or something.
1877403;1543695952;asciilifeform;aha
1877404;1543695958;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at the retard farms, LordMPofTMSR "Not even kidding." Lola_25 "Umm... what?" LordMPofTMSR "Think of it as an intelligence test. That you're failing."  Lola_25 "Great! It seems like a quiz that I'm happy to fail" LordMPofTMSR "You failed everything to date, what "happy". You're happy like the chair's "happy" it can't walk : since it can not walk anyway... Now get lost."
1877405;1543695979;mircea_popescu;so i suppose topical : that sounds like a story she's happy to have missed. AS LARVA.
1877406;1543696016;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yup, that's the story exactly.
1877407;1543696065;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RukNQcnM4c << oblig vintage lul
1877408;1543696620;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877283 << i'm not saying i got a read so clear i can argue anyone out of his ; but how does this reconcile with the "achieve&over-achieve" policy ; and ~everything else~ about that regime. after all, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-17#1373877 did not copy lincoln.
1877409;1543696620;a111;Logged on 2018-12-01 18:45 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877236 << not my reading. there was plenty of interesting, original work , it was fatwa'd in late '70s by brezhnev's bean counters, who did not see the problem with 'copy DEC and use foreign soft, better cheaper faster' etc
1877410;1543696620;a111;Logged on 2016-01-17 02:20 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373619 << aha. not even in motherfucking ussr. where 'zil' made not only limo for brezhnev, no expense spared, but... trucks
1877411;1543696650;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: was 5-6 different regimes. sorta like end-days rome.
1877412;1543696659;mircea_popescu;i suppose.
1877413;1543696661;asciilifeform;each with ~own set of braincase cockroaches.
1877414;1543696678;mircea_popescu;60s different from 70s is the argument here ?
1877415;1543696693;asciilifeform;'70s was ro-style 'they'll give us yesterday's machine at today's price' sorta thing
1877416;1543696698;asciilifeform;aha
1877417;1543696735;asciilifeform;whereas in e.g. '60s su actually had ic (of a sort) prior to the gringos
1877418;1543696751;mircea_popescu;i can see it.
1877419;1543696768;asciilifeform;( who even into '70s persisted in a belief that there's 'amazing su tech' worth fishing out of e.g. sunken su sub , with howard hughes' mega-boat )
1877420;1543696791;mircea_popescu;so, you know, "as the 70s dawned, russian man came to this weird personal belief that he who thinks last wins". i suppose in a sense could be abomb-psychosis driven.
1877421;1543696796;asciilifeform;and yes they fished it out. ran on those '60s pre-ics.
1877422;1543696839;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: late 70s, piggy was running dry, tech gap becoming palpable. bean counters given problem of how to close gap at minimal cost. gave answer, 'warez'
1877423;1543696868;asciilifeform;was duly implemented, imperial decree 'scrap all native comp work', largely ( if not entirely ) carried out
1877424;1543696875;asciilifeform;result : lotsa DEC clones, later -- intelade
1877425;1543696882;mircea_popescu;this actually makes sense.
1877426;1543696885;asciilifeform;!#s bk0010
1877427;1543696886;a111;8 results for "bk0010", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=bk0010
1877428;1543696889;asciilifeform;^ e.g.
1877429;1543696898;asciilifeform;^ single-chip pdp11. whole generation learned on it.
1877430;1543696910;mircea_popescu;the cute 00 prefix.
1877431;1543696968;asciilifeform;( neither asciilifeform nor asciilifeform's elder brother ever saw bk in anyone's house, was ruinously expensive, but at public toilet type affairs was common )
1877432;1543696996;asciilifeform;little thing, quite un-pdplike physically, approx same size and shape as mircea_popescu's spectrum clone
1877433;1543697001;mircea_popescu;but let's dig into it : WHAT ~precisely~, in central substance if not in peculiars of extension, DROVE this switch from "hey hey, soviet won space race and has ics of a sort" into this "ho, ho, soviet's buying scrapyard fare at new-from-factory prices" ?
1877434;1543697033;mircea_popescu;if not the above, then what ? cuz it fucking well wasn't 78 bean counters. by the time they were even asked anything, that WHAT was already two decades (ie, one generation) old.
1877435;1543697051;mircea_popescu;the ~parents~ of the people who scrapped the bk decided to not be like their grandparents. why and wherefore ?
1877436;1543697059;asciilifeform;i cannot presume to pin this down exactly. will share hypothesis tho : '50s-'60s su excelled at 'castles' , 'institutional' mega-constructions. venus rocket is a pyramid. but ic is a konsoomer-driven affair
1877437;1543697072;mircea_popescu;it is eminently not.
1877438;1543697078;mircea_popescu;"the world has space for maybe 4 ic pyramids".
1877439;1543697107;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-25#1866014 sense
1877440;1543697107;a111;Logged on 2018-10-25 16:56 asciilifeform: imho the classical fab is an overwhelmingly incatronic tech, it centralizes unhealthily.
1877441;1543697117;asciilifeform;it is stupidly expensive if you can't amortize
1877442;1543697129;mircea_popescu;the "consummer affair" is the gringo's exact version of the "thinking man gave up", coming 2 decades later. (ie, next generation of ustards copied prev generation of soviets. like they always do, btw)
1877443;1543697144;asciilifeform;rright but this one here's a tech deadend
1877444;1543697149;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this concept of "amortize" as you use here is EXACTLY of the nature of brejnev's economic thinking
1877445;1543697152;mircea_popescu;100% hallucinatory.
1877446;1543697160;asciilifeform;nobody yet invented how to bake ic 'faberge' style
1877447;1543697170;mircea_popescu;soviets did, actually.
1877448;1543697173;asciilifeform;the 1st unit costs million and the second -- penny
1877449;1543697181;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not afaik.
1877450;1543697220;asciilifeform;if mircea_popescu is referring to the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877417 item, it wasn't troo ic , but capsule with coupla dozen diodes/transistors. moar like small pcb.
1877451;1543697220;a111;Logged on 2018-12-01 20:38 asciilifeform: whereas in e.g. '60s su actually had ic (of a sort) prior to the gringos
1877452;1543697231;asciilifeform;the amerifolx were quite disappointed when they found out.
1877453;1543697238;asciilifeform;( it doesn't lsi, much less vlsi )
1877454;1543697241;mircea_popescu;take ro programme : romania never scrapped theirs (was one of ~many~ items ceausescu rightfully called moscow http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/in-re-bitcoin-devs-are-idiots.htm over.
1877455;1543697260;asciilifeform;which ? where they baked z80 clone ?
1877456;1543697266;mircea_popescu;and the ro made items were ~industrial automation~. the hardware at my house was "officially" being hard at work doing shit for hotels and textile mills.
1877457;1543697270;asciilifeform;( asciilifeform looked for a native ro cpu, but never found )
1877458;1543697293;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ya, we had an 'iskra' that 'doing hard work in tank targeter comp'
1877459;1543697297;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well yes, i'm not discussing end results. a tiny country on the black sea isn't gonna outrun us/su, it ain't fucking finland.
1877460;1543697298;asciilifeform;8086 clone
1877461;1543697302;mircea_popescu;but we're discussing the orientation here.
1877462;1543697311;asciilifeform;hey bulgaria even smaller, but did also build z80
1877463;1543697334;asciilifeform;and ddr actually managed at least 1 native ic
1877464;1543697357;mircea_popescu;point being, "technical calculus institute" still stood in 1990 for random morons (whom ceausescu DID send to mandatory military training, 16 months, taught how to fire and everyhthing) could stand on the roof of "to guard", profiled on the blue romanian skies so they could be shot from any of the surrounding hills
1877465;1543697363;mircea_popescu;if anyone cared to. which nobody did. but anyway!
1877466;1543697423;mircea_popescu;i very much doubt it was "brejnev's bean counters" that told soviet man to be stupid ; much as i doubt it was ceausescu who told morons to be morons, and IGNORE 16 months of their own life because "didn't sign up for this", and not eat the fucking fish because "how dares owner think of us as cattle when that's exactly what we are", and so on.
1877467;1543697440;mircea_popescu;fact of the matter, for ~these reasons~ i don't even believe mit told original symbolics&co fucktards to be fucktards.
1877468;1543697469;asciilifeform;there's a serious fucktardation risk factor one gets from being chronically broke
1877469;1543697475;mircea_popescu;not because mit didn't try telling, which it did, of course, but because it's evident the telling does exactly nothing, and mit sitting about going "oh, symbolics fuckards because we told them to" exactly like inca sun priest going "sun rises cuz we told it to!"
1877470;1543697478;asciilifeform;makes for bias for 'easy answers'
1877471;1543697486;mircea_popescu;not in my experience.
1877472;1543697509;mircea_popescu;romania was never as broke as in the 90s, at least not since the 30s. and it never in its history gave as good answers to fundamental problems.
1877473;1543697511;asciilifeform;well i did say 'chronically', not ' mircea_popescu that 1 time he forgot his wallet at home '
1877474;1543697543;mircea_popescu;including all, down the way to young women understanding http://trilema.com/2013/whore-strat/ is what they're for, and any and all pointsd.
1877475;1543697560;mircea_popescu;how long does chronically take ? because su was not that poor in 60s.
1877476;1543697572;asciilifeform;there is also the 'install base pressure'. recall mircea_popescu's serpent thread, when looked like it may have to be scrapped, 'motherfucker, i built battleship on this thing and NOW you say to scrap'
1877477;1543697582;mircea_popescu;so ?
1877478;1543697612;asciilifeform;so in '70s was pressure, nato tank has 8bit comp for targeting rockets, so su tank also gotta, etc
1877479;1543697637;mircea_popescu;so your idea is that su military complex toppled thinking man into moron pot ?!
1877480;1543697641;asciilifeform;but nato could amortize cost of that z80 by selling in atari.
1877481;1543697645;asciilifeform;su could not
1877482;1543697653;asciilifeform;ended up paying 9000x moar per unit, straight out of treasury
1877483;1543697654;mircea_popescu;this makes so zero fucking sense to me...
1877484;1543697662;asciilifeform;it makes sense if you stop & think how ic baked.
1877485;1543697703;asciilifeform;the real open q is 'why could su NOT also sell in atari'
1877486;1543697712;asciilifeform;to this i do not know answer.
1877487;1543697758;asciilifeform;they ~did~ ftr figure out 'make toys with tank comp cpu', but 10yrs too late
1877488;1543697763;asciilifeform;in '88 or so.
1877489;1543697767;mircea_popescu;not even, that's losing into details.
1877490;1543697769;asciilifeform;when it could not possibly make diff.
1877491;1543697777;mircea_popescu;recall man who said to stalin "i suppose you could do that... but then..." ?
1877492;1543697781;mircea_popescu;where's this man's son ? name him ?
1877493;1543697785;asciilifeform;kurchatov
1877494;1543697793;asciilifeform;i dunno whether he had sons
1877495;1543697794;mircea_popescu;no, name the son.
1877496;1543697810;asciilifeform;( stalin's sons also both died, 1 in germany and 1 in bottle , before '50s over )
1877497;1543697810;mircea_popescu;i mean metaphorically! wtf, that conversation happened in the 40s.
1877498;1543697813;mircea_popescu;where's the 60s ?
1877499;1543697814;asciilifeform;hm
1877500;1543697815;asciilifeform;aaa
1877501;1543697837;asciilifeform;nobody afaik. that generation was the last with serious spine.
1877502;1543697842;mircea_popescu;see, this is my point : at some point somewhere around the 60s, kurchatov jr decided he's gonna... ?
1877503;1543697874;mircea_popescu;this is the substance of my original claim. it seems to me russian man decided not to think. and this has no bearing on "cocksucker said". nobody yet has listened to the cocksuckers.
1877504;1543697884;asciilifeform;usa also had a figure who resisted '1024 chickens' (his phrase!) -- s. cray
1877505;1543697891;asciilifeform;died, crashed his bugati
1877506;1543697898;mircea_popescu;very different dynamic in the us -- no wot there.
1877507;1543697899;asciilifeform;after that, nomoar interesting irons, fullstop.
1877508;1543697920;mircea_popescu;they're literally 1024 chickens, inconsequentially "democratic", fighting the "corruption" of meaning.
1877509;1543697939;mircea_popescu;it's a country adequate to the time and needs of jefferson, it'd make the best agrarian 1700s the world has ever seen.
1877510;1543697947;mircea_popescu;of course, the chinese don't need that for anything, but w/e.
1877511;1543697988;asciilifeform;the aspec of this that stands out to asciilifeform's eye is that ic biz is moar like venus rocket than anyffing else. can't exactly save pennies from sofa cushion and upstart 'against establishment'
1877512;1543698011;asciilifeform;unless yer unspeakably loaded ( in usa this existed, and so there ~were~ 'bolixes', oddball affairs that were not 'pdp clone' )
1877513;1543698014;mircea_popescu;it's my considered opinion that taking "the american experience" into consideration for any practical purpose is fundamentally stupid. might as well think in terms of "hey mr wright, this bird of yours is ok, but does it lay eggs ?"
1877514;1543698030;asciilifeform;like or not, most of ic formative yrs happened in (old) usa
1877515;1543698047;asciilifeform;just as e.g. organic chem is a german biz, by birth
1877516;1543698057;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform establishment is never looking to crash and burn. not ever. brejnev "nixed" su ic in the exact sense of "happiness" from http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877404
1877517;1543698057;a111;Logged on 2018-12-01 20:25 mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the retard farms, LordMPofTMSR "Not even kidding." Lola_25 "Umm... what?" LordMPofTMSR "Think of it as an intelligence test. That you're failing."  Lola_25 "Great! It seems like a quiz that I'm happy to fail" LordMPofTMSR "You failed everything to date, what "happy". You're happy like the chair's "happy" it can't walk : since it can not walk anyway... Now get lost."
1877518;1543698095;mircea_popescu;lyonya25 "is happy to be rid of them"
1877519;1543698130;asciilifeform;he was told by viziers that the only approach that has remote chance of staying solvent, was to copy ameri-tech. it had track record of working, surface to air rocket was copied at penny to the dollar of original cost, and worked a++ (still fielded in fact, from that period even)
1877520;1543698135;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform those formative years are eminently not "amortize" in the batshit insane nonsense of having people-of-walmart involved.
1877521;1543698136;asciilifeform;so he went with 'obvious' thing.
1877522;1543698196;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform dude, what the everloving fuck, if tomorrow i wake up with the notion evertyone in tmsr gotta get circumcised you're gonna do it ?! brejnev was not this popular or respected, not at any point in his life.
1877523;1543698205;mircea_popescu;i tell you, you've got the chain powering the saw over here.
1877524;1543698211;asciilifeform;i currently dun grasp what hole mircea_popescu sees in the 'amortize via konsoomer' hypothesis. near as i can tell, it was the exact pattern. 6502 was initially costly, and cost dropped precisely in proportion to how popular 'atari'.
1877525;1543698227;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform do you understand what hole i see in "reproduce airplanes through egg laying" ?
1877526;1543698279;asciilifeform;it is really mega-mystery that device where nonrecoverable tooling cost is comparable to satellite rocket , is intensely start-topology/centralized affair in management ?
1877527;1543698285;asciilifeform;*star-topology
1877528;1543698425;asciilifeform;for that matter, brezhnev wasn't 'popular' any moar than steve ballmer was popular.
1877529;1543698432;mircea_popescu;let's take this one at a time. do you in fact understand  what hole i see in "reproduce airplanes through egg laying" ?
1877530;1543698434;asciilifeform;was simply on throne.
1877531;1543698442;asciilifeform;i dun get how it plugs in
1877532;1543698449;asciilifeform;where's the 'egg' here
1877533;1543698452;mircea_popescu;nevermind that part, i'll explain that in the next step.
1877534;1543698456;asciilifeform;ok...
1877535;1543698460;mircea_popescu;take things one at a time.
1877536;1543698469;*;asciilifeform will brb in 5m, eat buffer
1877537;1543699036;*;asciilifeform back
1877538;1543699043;asciilifeform;what's the step?
1877539;1543699055;mircea_popescu;what is the hole in "reproduce airplanes through egg laying" ?
1877540;1543699102;asciilifeform;dunno what's the formula being sought, but how about that they don't, that can go to where built and see that it's factory and not farm ?
1877541;1543699116;mircea_popescu;right. let's formalize :
1877542;1543699216;*;asciilifeform as a larva, was taken to a su plastics factory where father was commissioning sumthing-or-other cover for some mechanism. and learned not only how plastic objects made, but why he 'no canhaz' custom one
1877543;1543699270;mircea_popescu;"the notion that airplanes could reproduce through laying eggs is merely a naive extension, in the vein of 'object A has properties a and b ; object B shares property a and therefore it is reasonable ~~~on a first approximation~~~ to expect it exhibit proerty b'. nevertheless, artifacts differ from nature in that one fundamental aspect, that they're inefficient, and therefore to achieve same ends end up heavy, and in the case
1877544;1543699270;mircea_popescu; of staying airborne, weight kills. so therefore, it makes way the fuck more sense to have iron bird's ovopositor on the ground, and construct a http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-26#934786 rather than attempt a http://trilema.com/2014/the-complexity-of-life-a-triad/ "
1877545;1543699270;a111;Logged on 2014-11-26 00:46 asciilifeform: have to understand, jet fighter is not really a complete machine. it is a tentacle of the larger industrial slave empire which produced and employed it.
1877546;1543699285;mircea_popescu;now then, the next step :
1877547;1543699288;asciilifeform;'here's d00d with milling machine, he and assistant made this mold, took week, can you pay him for a week? not that it matters, he's booked 365d/y '
1877548;1543699323;mircea_popescu;the notion of "soviet computer work amortizing" is EXACTLY this sort of "naive extension". the ~very concept~ of "amortization" exactly mirrors the concept of "reproduction" in the previous step : you are using a naive notion that you're trying to extend naively.
1877549;1543699348;mircea_popescu;amortization is ~not meaningful~ in this context. there's nothing to ever amortize, macro-economically, that's specifically not how a country works.
1877550;1543699369;asciilifeform;is contention that asciilifeform is following in the footsteps of the mythical drunk who 'could drink erry day cuz he turned in his glass' ?
1877551;1543699375;mircea_popescu;country gets a set of resources each generation, and ALWAYS SPENDS THEM. there's no option to "save", the 20yos now floating about will not be cryopreserved.
1877552;1543699381;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform exactly.
1877553;1543699396;mircea_popescu;since there's no saving, there's no amortization. country does or dies.
1877554;1543699400;mircea_popescu;unlike bar down the street.
1877555;1543699419;asciilifeform;so, to extend lemma, atari ~because~ cheap ic, and not other way ?
1877556;1543699425;mircea_popescu;yay! you get it~!
1877557;1543699435;mircea_popescu;hence "you think the chain is powering your chainsaw".
1877558;1543699443;asciilifeform;then i haven't anything to go with, i have nfi what powers chainsaw then.
1877559;1543699464;mircea_popescu;well, kurchatov, strictly. as per carlyle, history exists strictly as the biography of great men.
1877560;1543699477;mircea_popescu;and for ~some reason~ su went dark decade-aniversay-of-stalin-death.
1877561;1543699489;asciilifeform;i'll buy.
1877562;1543699499;asciilifeform;it is quite evident that there was no kurchatov in 1978.
1877563;1543699511;mircea_popescu;now, what the fuck reason, i have nfi. it's comparatively clearer with the gringos, they had been sheep-following su, went off cliff eyes wide open.
1877564;1543699530;mircea_popescu;(followed france before, nothing new there)
1877565;1543699614;asciilifeform;consider that 'soyuz' rocket that ~still~ produced, is a korolev ('50s, but really stalin-era staff) design.
1877566;1543699620;mircea_popescu;no, i am aware.
1877567;1543699635;mircea_popescu;wtf happened, women stopped sucking the right part of the cock ? for seven decades ?!
1877568;1543699641;asciilifeform;modern ru only distanced from zimbabwe at all because ~those~ d00dz wound up the clock spring.
1877569;1543699649;mircea_popescu;exactly so.
1877570;1543699684;asciilifeform;('coincidentally' su folded shop when the ~last d00ds who knew what german mg sounded like, went to grave)
1877571;1543699714;mircea_popescu;main problem of historical / archeological work is to discern the coincidence from the item. (is this spec of dust or is it portion of priceless artefact ???)
1877572;1543699760;*;asciilifeform recalls burial of grandfather, with orchestra, rifle salute, etc. and vague notion that various 'changes' all about are indeed connected with the disappearance of that gen
1877573;1543699842;asciilifeform;last gen that worked with stalin and was actually answerable for results, with the psychodynamics of 'it worx, or my arse on a plate' baked into their firmware.
1877574;1543699906;asciilifeform;as a larva i had nfi ~why~ the 'grandfathers' were made of diff stuff, quite evidently to naked eye, than errybody's fathers, but was clear that they were.
1877575;1543700047;mircea_popescu;why shouldn't a generation reproduce the previous ? if not formally, at least the larger chunks of substance ?
1877576;1543700068;asciilifeform;i dunno the answer any moar than the romans knew.
1877577;1543700080;asciilifeform;( recall mircea_popescu's piece with the legionnaires & their armours )
1877578;1543700107;asciilifeform;there's ye olde 'comfort breeds idjicy' hypothesis, but it's a 'what' and not a 'how'
1877579;1543700152;*;asciilifeform bbl,meat,~hr
1877580;1543700158;mircea_popescu;except five minutes ago it was "chronically broke". gringos were overcomfortable. su, not so much.
1877581;1543700176;mircea_popescu;those 16 months doing pushups and fucking the mud, those happened. your dad was army grunt was he not ?
1877582;1543701011;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877555 << in fact, atari is terrible example. consider : su housing free, BECAUSE industrial construction process (discussed pluriously eg http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-06#1832377 ) existed, and might as wqell make hruscheba as wartime-replacement-machining-plant-in-six-weeks-in-ural-jungle (which is wat it was invented for, "industrial" meant a specific thing cca 1941, something in the vei
1877583;1543701011;a111;Logged on 2018-12-01 21:23 asciilifeform: so, to extend lemma, atari ~because~ cheap ic, and not other way ?
1877584;1543701011;a111;Logged on 2018-07-06 18:46 mircea_popescu: (ro used the prefab construction process -- first, send mining equipment, flatten land ; then, put in rail ; then, roll out a rail crane, and roll prefab on cars up to it ; then move the derivation
1877585;1543701011;mircea_popescu;n of http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-24#933189 ). similarily, su books free, because. su collegiate education, free, because. su pineapple expensive, because who the fuck is paying dole its ransom ; but su milk cheap, because. and so on in this vein -- su hospital free, but does not work like gringo hospital. you know ?
1877586;1543701011;a111;Logged on 2014-11-24 22:58 asciilifeform: jurov: tank is a particular type of tractor, let's say. it cultivates sovereignty (or did, in the age of the tank, but why nitpick) rather than edibles.
1877587;1543701078;mircea_popescu;if you tally up the list of "well, since we got engine with turbine we get air conditioning free anyway" on either side, usg is an eyesore, and the argument becomes "steam engine locomotive won race because could offer free tea to passenger ; whereas diesel-electric lost because who wants free electricity anyway".
1877588;1543701173;mircea_popescu;any attempt to reconstruct this argument (yeah, but the tea -- coca leaves!!!) dies the same death, ultimately. "this nonsense could only be interesting to morons" "that's ok, we here in gringostan proud country of morons" "and how do you expect to survive on any sort of time horizon ?" "WE SPREAD AGITPROP RE BENEFITS OF STUPIDITY ALL OVER GLOBE!!! WORK PAYS LATER, LAZY PAYS NOW!!!"
1877589;1543701765;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877574 << i just thought that's what being old is. somehow seems to fit 6yo logic, "duckling grows into duck grows into cow grows into tree".
1877590;1543701765;a111;Logged on 2018-12-01 21:31 asciilifeform: as a larva i had nfi ~why~ the 'grandfathers' were made of diff stuff, quite evidently to naked eye, than errybody's fathers, but was clear that they were.
1877591;1543701878;BingoBoingo;The SU may have had the loss of Stalin shock, but my generation grew up in gringostan on a solid diet of "end of history"
1877592;1543701941;mircea_popescu;finally time to check out huh.
1877593;1543701947;mircea_popescu;close the book, let's go to bed.
1877594;1543702006;BingoBoingo;Well, 1990's
1877595;1543702028;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877296 you know, not like you couldn't use a fg. there's code ready made by smg for all this
1877596;1543702028;a111;Logged on 2018-12-01 18:48 danielpbarron: what time frame is acceptable?
1877597;1543702036;mircea_popescu;(talk about "since turbine, get x free" heh.)
1877598;1543702036;BingoBoingo;Merkel hadn't driven this new EU thing into the Mud and the Russians had a long rebuild in front of them
1877599;1543702072;mircea_popescu;yeah, west-side 90s were epically fucktarded.
1877600;1543702114;BingoBoingo;At the time of 9/11 first WTC attack had largely been forgotten in favor of OKC event
1877601;1543702116;mircea_popescu;"yay team! we get the benefits of vicarious athelticism!!" "in the sports bar ?" "of course!" "what benefits are those ?" "FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY!"
1877602;1543702189;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877303 << im sure they'll even host one of yours. didn't you have a crate of them or such ?
1877603;1543702189;a111;Logged on 2018-12-01 18:51 danielpbarron: yeah that's something to consider
1877604;1543702218;danielpbarron;i've got crates of pogos, is that the item in question?
1877605;1543702246;mircea_popescu;fg, makes entropy.
1877606;1543702251;danielpbarron;and re: timeframe above: the idea was use a FG at home to make a big binary file and then send it to the server to use
1877607;1543702259;danielpbarron;oh, yeah got lots of those too
1877608;1543702266;mircea_popescu;i suppose they'd host a pogo for you, but latest thinking here is that not rly worth the amps.
1877609;1543702281;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron so why not just use one on the box, send nothing ?
1877610;1543702302;danielpbarron;that was re doing it from the shared host i already have
1877611;1543702338;danielpbarron;but all sorta moot now because i can't legally opperate a gambling thing
1877612;1543702390;mircea_popescu;you can't legally do anything but die quietly in a corner.
1877613;1543702397;mircea_popescu;kinda the point of that shithole.
1877614;1543702411;danielpbarron;that wouldn't be the worst thing
1877615;1543703292;*;asciilifeform eats buffer..
1877616;1543703359;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877581 << gringostan usedta have an army too
1877617;1543703359;a111;Logged on 2018-12-01 21:36 mircea_popescu: those 16 months doing pushups and fucking the mud, those happened. your dad was army grunt was he not ?
1877618;1543703545;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877582 << sorta why asciilifeform is an 'old-time su' fan, of sorts. thing was run ottoman-style, 'these are our slaves, let's keep them in decent quarters, actual milk, etc', 'let's build rockets so barbarian invader thinks twice' , etc. 'phree world' sees the plebe as moar of a game animal than farm horse, 'if dies, dies'. turns out, makes for objectively shittier existence for near-errybody.
1877619;1543703545;a111;Logged on 2018-12-01 21:50 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877555 << in fact, atari is terrible example. consider : su housing free, BECAUSE industrial construction process (discussed pluriously eg http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-06#1832377 ) existed, and might as wqell make hruscheba as wartime-replacement-machining-plant-in-six-weeks-in-ural-jungle (which is wat it was invented for, "industrial" meant a specific thing cca 1941, something in the vei
1877620;1543703604;asciilifeform;think plantation slaves vs lowell mill gurlz
1877621;1543703625;asciilifeform;( 0 typhus in former, 7-8hr workday vs 14 , etc )
1877622;1543703669;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877587 << >> http://btcbase.org/log/2015-10-15#1299189
1877623;1543703669;a111;Logged on 2018-12-01 21:51 mircea_popescu: if you tally up the list of "well, since we got engine with turbine we get air conditioning free anyway" on either side, usg is an eyesore, and the argument becomes "steam engine locomotive won race because could offer free tea to passenger ; whereas diesel-electric lost because who wants free electricity anyway".
1877624;1543703669;a111;Logged on 2015-10-15 01:03 mircea_popescu: if you want a Tatra truck, ask for it.
1877625;1543703737;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877589 << aa but asciilifeform had some exposure to folx who were 'old' but not quite old enuff for having been in the war. ~these~ were 'generic old'.
1877626;1543703737;a111;Logged on 2018-12-01 22:02 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877574 << i just thought that's what being old is. somehow seems to fit 6yo logic, "duckling grows into duck grows into cow grows into tree".
1877627;1543703742;asciilifeform;was quite apparent diff.
1877628;1543703788;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877602 << there's listed pricing for 'rk', 'rk + fg', you get 1 of the pizarro stash with the latter.
1877629;1543703788;a111;Logged on 2018-12-01 22:09 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877303 << im sure they'll even host one of yours. didn't you have a crate of them or such ?
1877630;1543703808;asciilifeform;if you want own fg, you put it inside yer own box that you colo.
1877631;1543703882;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877608 << pogo is a 256MB ram / 2core / 800MHz box, and takes up considerable vertical space if you mount the sata disk ; rk is a 2GB / 4core / 1.8GHz box, and takes up 2cm of vertical ( and there is existing rack of'em )
1877632;1543703882;a111;Logged on 2018-12-01 22:11 mircea_popescu: i suppose they'd host a pogo for you, but latest thinking here is that not rly worth the amps.
1877633;1543703926;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877609 << there's even a vacant rk, available to danielpbarron .
1877634;1543703926;a111;Logged on 2018-12-01 22:11 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron so why not just use one on the box, send nothing ?
1877635;1543703938;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877612 << indeed.
1877636;1543703938;a111;Logged on 2018-12-01 22:13 mircea_popescu: you can't legally do anything but die quietly in a corner.
1877637;1543703951;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-28#1875757 << see also.
1877638;1543703951;a111;Logged on 2018-11-28 19:05 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i for instance prolly good for three or four hangings, simply on what's in the l0gz
1877639;1543703955;*;asciilifeform brb,teatime
1877640;1543705096;asciilifeform;upstack, since we're connecting loose dots... father's generation pissed away su; never knew famine. grandfather's -- built, knew.
1877641;1543705113;asciilifeform;for all i know you gotta have famines to get 1 ppm of kurchatovs and 1000 ppm of actual-people per se
1877642;1543705490;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform usg never had army in the sense here contemplated. had "selective draft" or w/e.
1877643;1543705503;asciilifeform;tru
1877644;1543705512;asciilifeform;afaik never had 'erry d00d grunts'
1877645;1543705681;mircea_popescu;which is the important part of THAT kind of army, not "winning chechen war", but "here we sit in boy hut, waiting for feathers to grow on -- if they take long time, have no one to blame but self"
1877646;1543705704;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877611 << what's the current state of the art re pokerism, anyway ? has it moved to 100% btc yet , or are idiots still being gassed when they cash out in paypalade and travel to reich 'vacation resorts' for no apparent reason ?
1877647;1543705704;a111;Logged on 2018-12-01 22:12 danielpbarron: but all sorta moot now because i can't legally opperate a gambling thing
1877648;1543705709;mircea_popescu;which is why so thoroughly reviled by the http://trilema.com/2017/in-case-you-were-wondering-where-all-the-worthless-nuland-drones-ended-up/ ; especially in "male" flavouring.
1877649;1543705745;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform same as "state of the art" of strippers, if you recall that lengthy lulz. 100% moved to http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/
1877650;1543705752;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: fwiw current-day ru ( and great num of other places ) still has 'male hut' army
1877651;1543705754;mircea_popescu;"we're failures and that's okay, failing makes us happy"
1877652;1543705769;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i suppose goes great with http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877263
1877653;1543705769;a111;Logged on 2018-12-01 18:37 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877254 << pretty lulzy, and apparently not a joak -- indeed some folx, somewhere, habitually move 20-30k coin in 1 shot, and doing it with prb and onto segshitaddrs
1877654;1543705795;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the technical term on my home planet for these is : жить надоело
1877655;1543705797;mircea_popescu;what can you do, danielpbarron decided what he wants is to "obey laws" and NOT beat women.
1877656;1543705823;asciilifeform;lit. ~= 'tired of living'
1877657;1543705854;mircea_popescu;literally. yes. as per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877614
1877658;1543705854;a111;Logged on 2018-12-01 22:13 danielpbarron: that wouldn't be the worst thing
1877659;1543705865;mircea_popescu;end of history, rite.
1877660;1543705937;asciilifeform;pretty sad to watch
1877661;1543705949;asciilifeform;iirc hanbot had a post somewhere addressed to 1 of these, 'yer already in prison'
1877662;1543705966;mircea_popescu;eh, there's infinitely better things to sad over, than the idle contemplation of the intricacies of "why this goat is not boar".
1877663;1543705987;mircea_popescu;kinda why "altruism" is such bunk.
1877664;1543706005;asciilifeform;i dunno that goat and not boar. iirc danielpbarron used to have moar courage.
1877665;1543706034;mircea_popescu;sadly it's not how it goes ; flighted duckling is not distinguished from flightless duckling by "having more flight spirit".
1877666;1543706044;mircea_popescu;the calling is the only way to distinguish, it's an event not a succession.
1877667;1543706054;asciilifeform;i actually have nfi how flight program worx in the bird
1877668;1543706059;asciilifeform;possibly mircea_popescu can shed light
1877669;1543706064;mircea_popescu;when they quack overhead, one takes off. kinda al lthere is to it.
1877670;1543706079;asciilifeform;is it ? i was under impression that farm duck flies like chicken
1877671;1543706097;mircea_popescu;(also kinda why duck not popular with traditional household farmers -- some domestics develop flight spontaneously)
1877672;1543706105;mircea_popescu;maybe 3% or so fly.
1877673;1543706106;asciilifeform;ha.
1877674;1543706117;asciilifeform;but 97 % not ? wai not ?
1877675;1543706141;asciilifeform;... too fat ?
1877676;1543706174;mircea_popescu;bad genetics, bad nutrition, bad culture, who the fuck knows.
1877677;1543706189;*;mircea_popescu is not a duck expert, but afaik not that much expertise to be had. you can clip their feathers.
1877678;1543706203;asciilifeform;heh like some parrot keepers do
1877679;1543706221;mircea_popescu;birdlogic, you know ? "why do some cats run off and some don't ?"
1877680;1543706354;BingoBoingo;Some chickens need the feather clipping too. Knock a bit off one side and all they can do are small circles
1877681;1543706372;asciilifeform;revisiting upstack, the pokerists -- i am led to conclude that usg's inquisition is not particularly vigorous , or the paypalistic poker dens would have gone to sane place as dodo bird
1877682;1543706383;mircea_popescu;in chickens that's rather needed w/o all they do is "fly" balistically into nearest road.
1877683;1543706385;asciilifeform;*same
1877684;1543706415;BingoBoingo;And so it is
1877685;1543706415;asciilifeform;evidently there aint enuff selection pressure.
1877686;1543706419;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the usg lands are constructed out of idiots "making laws" and idiots "following laws". these two are interchangeable, and the system works well for the lowest common denominator.
1877687;1543706460;asciilifeform;erry yr or so they hang 1 , ' pour encourager les autres '
1877688;1543706467;mircea_popescu;nobody would even have any objection, if they didn't ineptly get into the way of actual people now and again. (though in fairness it's vastly in the sense of "bus got in way of old man").
1877689;1543706569;asciilifeform;they live in a 'zoological' hatred of actual people, and nail'em whenever the occasion permits
1877690;1543706582;mircea_popescu;this has not been my observation, but then again.
1877691;1543706600;asciilifeform;well it dun very often permit.
1877692;1543706638;mircea_popescu;imo they live in a female (see http://trilema.com/2011/epifania-cu-pedofilia/ ) hatred of beta bois pretending to my regalia. which, honestly, can hardly ever be faulted.
1877693;1543706649;asciilifeform;( recall the bacchanalia of bloodlust when defeat of ghaddaffi , among pantsuit )
1877694;1543706729;asciilifeform;i suspect that mircea_popescu's model is incomplete, i.e. if mircea_popescu were to for some reason http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-18#1726231 , regalia wouldn't help
1877695;1543706729;a111;Logged on 2017-10-18 17:54 asciilifeform: ( 'stierlitz walked on the streets of berlin. mueller recognized that he was a soviet spy, but not because of the ppsh machinepistol clumsily slung across his shoulder, and not because of the parachute he dragged behind him, but because of the maker tag on his waistcoat, 'bolshevikess', which in typical russian slopiness had not been torn off.'
1877696;1543706737;mircea_popescu;i recall the endless hordes of pantsuit "free women" going there to whore out to him a little for a few decades. what they said at the coffin... w/e, you know how old the dood was ?
1877697;1543706751;asciilifeform;50s neh
1877698;1543706770;mircea_popescu;60s, 70s, that dude parked his pecker in more "gone to ny to be a writer" mouths than hefner.
1877699;1543706794;*;asciilifeform has 0 specific knowledge of this, but believes
1877700;1543706917;mircea_popescu;incidentally, you recall the lulz of kosygin's programme ?
1877701;1543706929;asciilifeform;which ?
1877702;1543706958;mircea_popescu;(likbez : su was "dictatorship", nevertheless, brejnev got place by talking to everyone about ousting nikita, which then happened even though the retard got wind of the plan, because he was a retard. just like in dictatorship amirite.
1877703;1543706983;asciilifeform;recall how hrusch got his.
1877704;1543706986;asciilifeform;~same.
1877705;1543706995;mircea_popescu;then brejnev let a certain kosgyn be "boss of economy". and then they had an electoral dispute, as to who should lead. kosgyn came with the lulziest perestroika v0.1a you ever saw)
1877706;1543707007;asciilifeform;( successfully conspired with other 3rdraters to kill beria, the designated kronprinz )
1877707;1543707069;mircea_popescu;his idea was, summarized by someone who's not retarded like they were : that if a) portions of industrial production get redirected to consumer goods and b) the state media finds a vanna white in the zaporoje countriside, then c) soviet union can turn into a large game of stakhanovist jeopardy.
1877708;1543707081;mircea_popescu;"name how many heroic worker hours for this fridge! THE SACRIFICE IS RIGHT!!!")
1877709;1543707095;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform beria was also fucking deranged.
1877710;1543707119;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i looked into the 'deranged', virtually 100% of the extant sources are tainted with hrusch & co.
1877711;1543707133;asciilifeform;it's exactly like going with suetonius re the emperors.
1877712;1543707139;mircea_popescu;what can i tell you.
1877713;1543707171;asciilifeform;the troof, to the extent i was able to get at it, was that the d00d was ~soft~ and 'modernization'-inclined. and hence got nailed.
1877714;1543707186;asciilifeform;( and then turned into a kinda 'bluebeard' in Official Troof )
1877715;1543707273;asciilifeform;what we do know was that he was kurchatov's direct boss. and presided over mind-bogglingly successful 'yesterday we had horse plow and today nuke' affair.
1877716;1543707293;asciilifeform;( whether in between being bluebeard, or not, fact remains )
1877717;1543707334;asciilifeform;if asciilifeform could pick b/w working for obummer & co, and beria, would pick the latter any day of week.
1877718;1543707372;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu had an essay where 'hey, if i strangle you, at least it'll be a man strangling you with hands, and not a cockpuppet with paper' or how did it go.
1877719;1543707591;asciilifeform;see also old thrds, e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-13#1850267 , http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-22#1843582 , http://btcbase.org/log/2015-10-07#1294063 ,
1877720;1543707591;a111;Logged on 2018-09-13 22:28 asciilifeform: it's rather like how when they shot lavrentiy beria -- pile the crimes onto 1 d00d, then flush him, and it's as if the enablers 'never happened'
1877721;1543707591;a111;Logged on 2018-08-22 14:27 asciilifeform: fwiw i read usg indictments as works of fiction, not particularly different from e.g. trial of lavrentiy pavlovich beria, 'british, french, and japanese spy'
1877722;1543707591;a111;Logged on 2015-10-07 13:51 asciilifeform: this is an old thing. goal-directed work - e.g., 'make atomic bomb for the motherland' - works with a beria holding broomstick up the collective arses of the institute staff.
1877723;1543707607;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-04#1040229 , http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-22#1029342 , possibly else.
1877724;1543707607;a111;Logged on 2015-03-04 01:20 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: beria actually picked up women... << based on the sources, i don't regard it as a solid historical fact
1877725;1543707607;a111;Logged on 2015-02-22 21:47 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually, disgraced soviet bureaucrats (usually posthumous - see hruschev's speech re: l. beria) had 'rapacious daily rapist' tags nailed on
1877726;1543707642;asciilifeform;( at some point i'ma have to do a serious with-bib-refs treatment of the subj in engl., afaik none exists ! )
1877727;1543707707;asciilifeform;i'm prolly the wrong fella to do it tho, very much not unbiased, i'll still like the character even if time machine supplies incontrovertible proof that he was a cannibal and ate hot chix erry morning for breakfast
1877728;1543707940;asciilifeform;asciilifeform is one of the folx who do not regard stalin-on-throne and rockets-fly as a mere coincidence.
1877729;1543707992;mircea_popescu;aaanyway -- the korgyn fellow is remarkable (and remarkably funny) because he managed to come up with a 100% worst-of-all-worlds plan of nonsense.
1877730;1543708013;asciilifeform;( not only su rockets -- but errywhere, incl. usa. beria's broomstick was long enuff to tickle arses across ocean just as readily as locally )
1877731;1543708027;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: typical end-days fare
1877732;1543708111;mircea_popescu;imo this eminent example. kinda why we discuss orel-i-koshka in preference of whatever disney overdressed princess
1877733;1543708143;asciilifeform;just picture sumbody losing an eye in a disney film
1877734;1543708151;mircea_popescu;not somebody.
1877735;1543708167;mircea_popescu;A MOTHER. a heroic mother, losing eye ~in performance of her unworthy of praise or much mention duties~.
1877736;1543708174;asciilifeform;aaha
1877737;1543708207;mircea_popescu;that's the important part there, as usual off screen : "while this was going on, dad was busy doing actually important shit -- because no, neither cat nor its spawn are it"
1877738;1543708225;asciilifeform;asciilifeform recently probed pet, re whether there was a figure like e.g. matrosov, in ameri-folklore. all she could think of was a 1800s mythical character who 'died with hammer in his hand' trying to out-steam a steam hammer
1877739;1543708258;mircea_popescu;sounds like germano-polish immigrant fare.
1877740;1543708272;asciilifeform;i dun specifically know. but clearly vintage.
1877741;1543708292;asciilifeform;likely from same era as luddite movement.
1877742;1543708350;mircea_popescu;anyway, to finish k thread -- my read was that his contemporaries read him in the vein of "promising but sadly insane". this happens with some regularity, napoleon himself one thin hair away.
1877743;1543708387;mircea_popescu;or w/e, the scientology head muppet, closer example.
1877744;1543708419;asciilifeform;( and to tie this into the other subthread -- by some accts, beria let it slip that he was in favour of 'transition to market system' of some variant. 2 wks later, nailed , actor played him at show trial in 6mo )
1877745;1543708444;mircea_popescu;this seems very not credible to me.
1877746;1543708455;asciilifeform;nao i'm curious wainot
1877747;1543708504;mircea_popescu;for one thing, "market system" entirely meaningless in the man's context. it's like "moses let it slip he's in favour of nuclear weapons". for the other thing, LENIN came up with the fucking neps. nobody was going to be all that indignant over rehash. in short it predicates both meaning and effect projected from an outside world.
1877748;1543708520;asciilifeform;d00d was quite definitely a sort of napoleon, had all kindsa 'let's try things' inclinations.
1877749;1543708682;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it wouldn't have been 'rehash of nep' that other players indignant over, but ~their removal~, d00d was, i suspect, getting set to clean house.
1877750;1543708760;mircea_popescu;maybe.
1877751;1543708785;mircea_popescu;stalin certainly was. "designated successor" my foot, if he lived another 18 months they'd have all been decorating pikes, beria first.
1877752;1543708798;asciilifeform;at any rate this thread touches qs that are impossible to answer w/out time machine, so i'ma not put moar weight on it
1877753;1543708878;asciilifeform;but per my pov , as 'fan' and chronic eater of just about any period material that can be squeezed from the dried mummies , is that beria was a prime mover of all sortsa http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877568 .
1877754;1543708878;a111;Logged on 2018-12-01 21:27 asciilifeform: modern ru only distanced from zimbabwe at all because ~those~ d00dz wound up the clock spring.
1877755;1543708928;asciilifeform;b was personal friend, incidentally, of stalin; the latter persuaded him , not w/out difficulty, to come out of his local gig in sunny south and work in 'big league'
1877756;1543708995;mircea_popescu;this much is true.
1877757;1543709027;asciilifeform;his orig place , as i understand, was as a http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-15#1872422 .
1877758;1543709027;a111;Logged on 2018-11-15 15:50 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he used to be a kind of fixer, owned a town and http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-28#1036383
1877759;1543709078;mircea_popescu;yet conversely, he might actually be the imago of what later came to be "sluggish schizo". man went nuts in his middle age, or so they thought (or so i suspect they thought).
1877760;1543709131;asciilifeform;it isn't impossible that he did; but in so far as i can tell 100% of that narrative comes from the folx that killed him & danced on the corpse
1877761;1543709156;asciilifeform;( hrusch for instance is known to have pinned a good coupla 10k corpses that he was himself the author of, on beria )
1877762;1543709178;mircea_popescu;this will stand for later historians.
1877763;1543709227;asciilifeform;there's a preserved communique from stalin to hrusch, where the latter served up umpteenth list of meat grinder candidates and stalin replied 'rejected, have measure, idiot'
1877764;1543709296;asciilifeform;!#s уймись, дурак
1877765;1543709296;a111;0 results for "уймись, дурак", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%D1%83%D0%B9%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%8C%2C%20%D0%B4%D1%83%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BA
1877766;1543709298;asciilifeform;hm.
1877767;1543709335;mircea_popescu;durak lol. not exactly idiot.
1877768;1543709374;asciilifeform;not exact, no. but in the style of my http://ave1.org/2018/%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%88%D0%B5-%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE-%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%89-%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%83%D0%B7%D0%B5%D1%80/#comment-100 translations.
1877769;1543709529;asciilifeform;again -- impossible to authenticate 'did he ? or donation of constantine' w/out time machine.
1877770;1543709816;asciilifeform;there are other bits an' pieces. for instance, diaries of serov ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672808 ) were found in 2000s . fwiw i read. the usual rotters all 'fecal consensus' that they are a forgery, but i'm actually sold ( not convinced that they were printed ~uncut~, sure , but that not outright fabrication -- convinced )
1877771;1543709816;a111;Logged on 2017-06-20 22:19 asciilifeform aficionado of autobios of the period -- most recently, serov's. and this element -- recurs.
1877772;1543709841;asciilifeform;serov describes the coup in some detail, in particular the times & places where various folx who would have gotten in the way, were neutralized
1877773;1543709884;asciilifeform;also describes how the usurpers could not decide who is to actually do the wet work ( per serov, beria was killed several days into captivity, not 6mo when Officially 'sentenced' )
1877774;1543710315;asciilifeform;( incidentally, yet 3rd version is b's son's, who to his grave insisted that father was killed in his office, without surrendering , 'binladen-style' . )
1877775;1543710458;asciilifeform;without time machine cannot say which ver. but overall picture invites itself inevitably , that what happened was exactly that the kakobreklas ganged up & killed their mircea_popescu , and put on his regalia.
1877776;1543710540;asciilifeform;an' proceeded to tell themselves, and 'historians', all kindsa bedtime stories.
1877777;1543710680;asciilifeform;!#s cocks and socks
1877778;1543710680;a111;1 result for "cocks and socks", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=cocks%20and%20socks
1877779;1543710682;asciilifeform;^ see also
1877780;1543710702;asciilifeform;hrm, where even was that thing. could've sworn it was in log.
1877781;1543722918;asciilifeform;hrusch & co, on contemplation, have all the credibility of 'woodcollector'.
1877782;1543722930;asciilifeform;whereas their predecessors' results speak for themselves.
1877783;1543723519;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: send me pizarro transactions s'il vous plait, note payments for service in advance; i'll put them into the hopper and produce statement numbers. asciilifeform: next girthy table and calculation to write is the customer equity tracker, i will draft and populate with historical data over the next few days and let you know if i hit any puzzlers (low odds, i'm well-acquainted with the process).
1877784;1543723842;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-30#1876430 << old-timey DSP/IC gent i hired for degrading mobile ui work recently overheard myself and teh boss riffing on john denver; boggled: "that music is older than either of you! in chorus: "sure beats ~anything recorded in our lifetimes, though"
1877785;1543723842;a111;Logged on 2018-11-30 17:38 asciilifeform: the notion that sumbody might turn away from 'modernity' consciously, rather than because alzheimer patient, apparently is a bridge too far for some folx
1877786;1543724756;asciilifeform;!#s plus constant
1877787;1543724757;a111;1 result for "plus constant", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=plus%20constant
1877788;1543724804;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2013-06-23#98821 << ben_vulpes see also
1877789;1543724804;a111;Logged on 2013-06-23 23:41 davout: so this guy goes into a restaurant
1877790;1543724883;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-02#1877783 << ty ben_vulpes , lemme know if need data plz.
1877791;1543724883;a111;Logged on 2018-12-02 04:05 ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: send me pizarro transactions s'il vous plait, note payments for service in advance; i'll put them into the hopper and produce statement numbers. asciilifeform: next girthy table and calculation to write is the customer equity tracker, i will draft and populate with historical data over the next few days and let you know if i hit any puzzlers (low odds, i'm well-acquainted with the process).
1877792;1543725553;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: tyvm, will anotate and dispatch the transactions in a few hours. About to take a second walk tonight (cold wind == Indoor Uruguayos)
1877793;1543725566;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> hrm, where even was that thing. could've sworn it was in log. << You flipped the words
1877794;1543725576;BingoBoingo;!#s socks and cocks
1877795;1543725577;a111;3 results for "socks and cocks", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=socks%20and%20cocks
1877796;1543725662;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: sorry, i don't follow
1877797;1543725731;ben_vulpes;and lol, save thanks for delivery, both of ye
1877798;1543726013;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: was in re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-02#1877784
1877799;1543726013;a111;Logged on 2018-12-02 04:10 ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-30#1876430 << old-timey DSP/IC gent i hired for degrading mobile ui work recently overheard myself and teh boss riffing on john denver; boggled: "that music is older than either of you! in chorus: "sure beats ~anything recorded in our lifetimes, though"
1877800;1543726031;asciilifeform;i.e. proverbial phd cabbie
1877801;1543726872;ben_vulpes;aaah yes precisely. has an ee phd! from back when that meant something, even.
1877802;1543727014;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i'ma guess, you found him in a gutter , clutching bottle of 'night train' ?
1877803;1543727025;asciilifeform;or was it 'red southern rose', lol
1877804;1543729928;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: now that would be some grade a arbitrage, if i could squeeze utility out of such
1877805;1543738986;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877351 << i see what you mean.
1877806;1543738986;a111;Logged on 2018-12-01 19:21 asciilifeform: btw a very good chunk of the present-day cad monopoly biz is powered by tech written by bolix escapees. i tracked some of'em down ( and no they dun answer my mail... ) , they built the current cad houses.
1877807;1543739074;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877376 << "you don't fuck with a man's automobile!!!"
1877808;1543739074;a111;Logged on 2018-12-01 19:31 asciilifeform: it's rather like molestation of cow in india
1877809;1543739172;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877381 << fucktards do that in italy, too. will push the car round the fucking block during a few hours.
1877810;1543739172;a111;Logged on 2018-12-01 19:33 BingoBoingo: Anyways, the biggest threat to parked cars is people parking their own cars. According to local lore plastic bumpers make vechicles immune to low speed collision damage and so when parking local will force a parking spot into existence
1877811;1543739238;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877390 << /me looks.
1877812;1543739238;a111;Logged on 2018-12-01 20:04 asciilifeform enhanced the spam trap a little bit
1877813;1543739261;mircea_popescu;turns out... 0 items needed my attention since your last comment, on the 28th. a bunch auto-marked though.
1877814;1543740204;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877727 << note for the record that the argument isn't whether he ate them or not. the argument is whether he had functional behaviours under his own control or not.
1877815;1543740204;a111;Logged on 2018-12-01 23:41 asciilifeform: i'm prolly the wrong fella to do it tho, very much not unbiased, i'll still like the character even if time machine supplies incontrovertible proof that he was a cannibal and ate hot chix erry morning for breakfast
1877816;1543740257;mircea_popescu;demented means something akin to "this computer is waltzing the ram", not something akin to "this computer is displaying stuff not within code of conduct".
1877817;1543740538;mircea_popescu;i dunno if you've seen p p pasolini's salo, but i always thought cataldi's role ("the bishop") was specifically patterned after beria.
1877818;1543740574;mircea_popescu;so much so as to even inform the specific choice of casting.
1877819;1543740798;mircea_popescu;(now, all four are demented, a point unrelated to whether they rape any of the kids or w/e.  that's what kids are for anyway, and besides, who the fuck cares. the problem is, specifically, that their brains don't work, and don't work in a strictly typical, almost commedia dell'arte highly structured sense. the histrionic valletti or the copacetic anyones-weird-quiet-uncle-that-touches-the-little-nieces quintavalle  or the bur
1877820;1543740798;mircea_popescu;eaucratic bonacelli are icons of mental dysfunction to a bosch-like level.)
1877821;1543741835;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-02#1877780 << http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=socks+cocks obviously.
1877822;1543741835;a111;Logged on 2018-12-02 00:31 asciilifeform: hrm, where even was that thing. could've sworn it was in log.
1877823;1543741909;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-02#1877782 << the risky part of "results speak for themselves" is that well... "clinton fixed the economy". cause and effect not always readily associable in complex systems.
1877824;1543741909;a111;Logged on 2018-12-02 03:55 asciilifeform: whereas their predecessors' results speak for themselves.
1877825;1543741961;mircea_popescu;"all the crab kings at the times of high tide were great crabs and great kings... whereas at low tide..." "dude, you live in a tidal ecosystem!" "wut ?"
1877826;1543746727;BingoBoingo;!Qlater tell ben_vulpes Here's the requested numbers, enjoy http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/pfgtX/?raw=true
1877827;1543766633;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: poul anderson had a hilarious novella, 'brainwave', where people were quite like your crabs in that there turned out to be a 'stupidity field' surrounding our chunk of galaxy, which came and went. but i dun know of any real-life reason to introduce that hypothesis.
1877828;1543766786;asciilifeform;nao, on other hand, 'cyclical histories' where 'confederacy of dunces' gangs up and dethrones their betters, and then whole edifice turns to shit, from shit grows sumthing new, etc. -- this i can buy, we're quite evidently in the trough of that sinusoid just nao
1877829;1543766988;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-02#1877819 << i saw the film and quite familiar with the 'mad beria' ~stereotype~. simply was not able to find any evidence for it that doesn't genesis-block in hrusch's show trial and Official 'unmasking' .
1877830;1543766988;a111;Logged on 2018-12-02 08:53 mircea_popescu: (now, all four are demented, a point unrelated to whether they rape any of the kids or w/e.  that's what kids are for anyway, and besides, who the fuck cares. the problem is, specifically, that their brains don't work, and don't work in a strictly typical, almost commedia dell'arte highly structured sense. the histrionic valletti or the copacetic anyones-weird-quiet-uncle-that-touches-the-little-nieces quintavalle  or the bur
1877831;1543767050;asciilifeform;( didja know... he had a '#metoo'-style parade of chix, even, for the occasion, 'he raped! and i saw meat grinder! and he coprophagia'd!' etc. x9000 )
1877832;1543767184;asciilifeform;orc political theatre has this quality, where they get carried away and lose all sight of plausibility / lifelike sin, and create a 'french, british, and japanese spy coprophagiac cannibal rapist' .
1877833;1543767345;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-02#1877821 << it apparently aint in the log, as such. but iirc there was some pantsuit reddit-wank campaign to try an' turn mircea_popescu into a sort of 'mad beria' in 'eye of history' or somesuch nonsense, that was supposed to pin on that phrase
1877834;1543767345;a111;Logged on 2018-12-02 09:10 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-02#1877780 << http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=socks+cocks obviously.
1877835;1543767730;asciilifeform;stalin had an imho quite prophetic uttering, 'when i'm buried they will pile shit sky high on my grave, but wind of history will blow it away' .
1877836;1543774185;mircea_popescu;kinda how this works.
1877837;1543775582;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in today's dose of elaborate #metoo #thinker files, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/x4Yp0/?raw=true
1877838;1543775667;asciilifeform;lol!!
1877839;1543775706;mircea_popescu;by now they're pretty entertaining, this last crop of femfricans.
1877840;1543775853;BingoBoingo;"stop fucking up the weed industry" << LOL
1877841;1543775865;mircea_popescu;how the fuck is agriculture an industry now ?
1877842;1543775894;BingoBoingo;"you come from a culture of pigosadism" << This Pigosadism could be a fun word
1877843;1543775903;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It's an industry because monsanto
1877844;1543775909;mircea_popescu;is this like that time kramer saved the half-man half-pig army mutant ?
1877845;1543775955;BingoBoingo;Not sure yet, I gotta see where pigosadism fits
1877846;1543776025;mircea_popescu;it's so fucking funny tho, utterly fucktarded pantsuit moron imagining "india" is a definite reference to something, "nation of africa" style, and then, if that weren't enough, adding "armenian" to it. because yes, totally, the armenians, those indian fucks.
1877847;1543776037;mircea_popescu;semites are indo-european too!
1877848;1543776063;BingoBoingo;HAHAHA, just got to the spik rant
1877849;1543776135;BingoBoingo;"we had technologies and mathematics from higher beings" << LOL, We Waz Kangz!
1877850;1543776161;BingoBoingo;Flying pyramids when?
1877851;1543776244;BingoBoingo;But still the juxtaposition "its Mexicans people have the bad wrap that you deserve" to "Nooooo your costa rican so your a fucking spik. You Spaniard bred fucks."
1877852;1543776501;lobbes;"Religions a lie, you are aliens stupidest, horniest creation" << lolwat
1877853;1543776527;mircea_popescu;hey, it's what hilary teaches in dem "universities" now.
1877854;1543776678;BingoBoingo;That plus a little bit Monsanto 710 (apparently 710 is replacing 420 among anglotards because instead of smoking week they vaporize Monsanto weed oils like crack)
1877855;1543776821;BingoBoingo;Because this "dab rig" https://66.media.tumblr.com/0c9c3ca71d6f2a005914176d604762c9/tumblr_mxpxm2FwMg1qijtl7o1_400.gif totally isn't just a really smooth crack pipe
1877856;1543777406;mircea_popescu;gotta start somewhere, and it ain't gonna be the you're/your distinction.
1877857;1543778509;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/12/french-anti-macron-protests-beginning-to-look-like-revolution/ << Qntra - French Anti-Macron Protests Beginning To Look Like Revolution
1877858;1543779296;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo top keks.
1877859;1543779412;BingoBoingo;Seriously. Of course it comes with the realization that popular fever dreams aside, the US tards don't appear to be as capable as the French
1877860;1543779465;asciilifeform;in misc lulz, i located an eng translation of bukovsky. historically i've avoided reading him, couldn't get past the fact that he not only ran off to 'anti-sov' for usg, but works there with gusto ~today~.
1877861;1543779482;asciilifeform;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/NvtlH/?raw=true << the imho somewhat interesting gibblet of his mega-b00k.
1877862;1543779482;BingoBoingo;Sure, matter taken from black lives will occasionally burn a QuikTrip gas station in the heat of passion, but... the UStards just aren't social enough to organize on their own
1877863;1543779543;asciilifeform;somehow reminds me of mircea_popescu's ancient experiment with 'political party'
1877864;1543779596;mircea_popescu;"tired of living" is larger concept than commonly realised.
1877865;1543779692;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the guy has a solid point, continuing with the "soviet republic is actual republic" notions became well impossible for thinking man in the 50s. the whole trotsky thing hadn't done it, but by the time of hungartian uprising...
1877866;1543779800;asciilifeform;yes but linked for other point
1877867;1543779806;asciilifeform;( whole seg worth imho read )
1877868;1543780272;mircea_popescu;this shit's long and in his usual annoying style.
1877869;1543780275;mircea_popescu;what specifically ?
1877870;1543780286;asciilifeform;the 'organization' lulz
1877871;1543780292;asciilifeform;i cut it down as far as could be and still complete pic.
1877872;1543780441;mircea_popescu;all the "we're project managers and this is our sikrit club" wank ?
1877873;1543780460;mircea_popescu;it definitely sounds like the "neonazi" morons would have come up with, yes. bois with 0 life experience.
1877874;1543780469;asciilifeform;or the oregon ranchers etc
1877875;1543780473;asciilifeform;'let's organize!'
1877876;1543780477;mircea_popescu;what, you're totally going to "introduce leader to me and vanish", that's so utterly how i work.
1877877;1543780479;mircea_popescu;whatever.
1877878;1543780517;asciilifeform;a+ entomological slide tho.
1877879;1543780525;mircea_popescu;i dunno why they do this stupid woman thing. the only thing this "organization" is good for is to report which shop now has flour. or w/e, "unde s-o bagat lapte", where's the cheap kid shoes, stuff of this nature.
1877880;1543780556;asciilifeform;it was good for 0, is what piece was about. wasn't even good enuff to get him collared, he had to make a new one for that.
1877881;1543780571;mircea_popescu;peppered with the usual "elected impotence" bs. "make sure they have no criminal connections ?!" what the everloving fuck, no male's worth two bits if he doesn't at least KNOW the local boss wtf.
1877882;1543780601;asciilifeform;( later on d00d did , what, 20yrs in various dungeons, got all kindsa connection. )
1877883;1543780616;mircea_popescu;it's basic shit test even fucking today in gringolandia. go up to girl in bar, "hey baby, wanna leave together ?" 80% or so odds she comes back with "can you get drugs" in some shape or form.
1877884;1543780618;mircea_popescu;cuz wtf.
1877885;1543780653;mircea_popescu;#1, enough gumption to go up to her and ask, distinguishes 9yo from 15 yo ; #2, criminal connections, distinguishes incel from bf.
1877886;1543780713;mircea_popescu;jesus this is infuriatingly stupid.
1877887;1543780716;asciilifeform;moar or less whole b00k was specifically re futility of 'rezistenta prin cultura' .
1877888;1543780735;mircea_popescu;"Naturally he at once sounded you out about the possibilities, and you gravely and meaningfully gave him to understand that intelligent people didn’t discuss such nonsense; that the organization didn’t have any political aims. “Aha!” he would nod enthusiastically, hastening to make it clear that he too was an intelligent man and realized you couldn’t talk about such things aloud."
1877889;1543780749;mircea_popescu;what the fuck is this supposed to be! the junior mint dating club ?
1877890;1543780767;asciilifeform;hole without doughnut, iirc is the technical term.
1877891;1543780777;mircea_popescu;"Afterward, at the next assembly, you had to recommend him and present him to the others under an assumed name. If no one objected, he became a member of the organization and joined in the common work." << how the fuck would anyone object ? THEY HAVE NFI WHO IT IS.
1877892;1543780785;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this sounds like the kanzure klub.
1877893;1543780790;asciilifeform;noshit
1877894;1543780814;asciilifeform;i dun think i've ever encountered as pure a description of subj.
1877895;1543780844;mircea_popescu;"He used to regard our conspiratorial fussing with the indulgent air of a grown dog watching puppies at play." << which is why they were looking for "bold" taciturns. "oh look, as close to adults without adults we can get!"
1877896;1543780847;mircea_popescu;pshaw.
1877897;1543780866;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i'll take your words, it's so pure it's giving me hives, ima stop before rage.
1877898;1543780917;*;asciilifeform raged. hence prepared microscope slide with the thing in formaldehyde, for if anyone ever walks in bukovsky to link..
1877899;1543790390;deedbot;http://pizarroisp.net/2018/12/02/weekly-update-december-2nd-2018/ << PizarroISP - Weekly Update December 2nd 2018
1877900;1543802015;BingoBoingo;!!up hanbotectomy
1877901;1543802015;deedbot;hanbotectomy voiced for 30 minutes.
1877902;1543802093;hanbotectomy;howdy, thanks BingoBoingo, greetings all from the laproscopic appendectomy recovery chamber.!
1877903;1543802156;*;hanbotectomy will keep noise to a minimum, not even sure what's in her IV bag atm
1877904;1543802343;BingoBoingo;I hope you have recuperative recovery
1877905;1543802439;hanbotectomy;ty, they're telling me all's as expected
1877906;1543802445;BingoBoingo;And congrats on getting rid of that digestive dead end
1877907;1543832819;spyked;http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/080-botworks-regrind.html <-- seems to have been lost in friday's deedbot downtime.
1877908;1543832850;spyked;^ phf, could pl0x add patches in http://lucian.mogosanu.ro/src/botworks/v/ to http://btcbase.org/patches ?
1877909;1543833573;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-29#1875947 <-- hm. so I'm seeing a few distinct problems here. 1. de-googlifying the bootloader (and getting rid of the cr50 mess); 2. using a non-googlistic kernel; and 3. replacing the rootfs with a cuntoo userspace. if I understood correctly, then 2 depends on googlistic signing software because of 1, but 3 should be doable either way (if anything, ave1's compiler is a more immediate requirement to get
1877910;1543833573;a111;Logged on 2018-11-29 14:51 asciilifeform: presently, cuntoo won't run there (even if trinque's process can be coaxed into building arm64 bins) cuz it has no way of blessing the kernel.
1877911;1543833580;spyked;the userspace built).
1877912;1543833685;spyked;anyway, I got the c101pa because I need a lightweight machine for travelling. so I might as well assess whether it's possible to build a somewhat sane system on it for productive work.
1877913;1543841854;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-08#1859582 -> following up on this, the presentation will happen next Monday (10th December), 4.15pm GMT; it's one hour only so I'm not that sure there will be enough time to get online at the end of it but who knows, maybe some students will actually get it and even... do something with it
1877914;1543841854;a111;Logged on 2018-10-08 18:50 diana_coman: in other possible interesting things: I got invited to give a talk to students at local uni (Reading, UK) on "bitcoin and blockchain"; personally I'm not all that keen on it but given the recent ideas regarding reach out and all that, I am at least considering this; any input on this is welcome
1877915;1543842478;mircea_popescu;spyked interesting regrind-with-historicity.
1877916;1543842530;mircea_popescu;previous thinking was generally that a regrind pretty much means collapsing a whole tree into a single genesis patch. but thinking about it i don't see why that has to be the case, if there's the hands to do more fine work.
1877917;1543842685;mircea_popescu;hey did http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-28#1875888 actually come to anything ? can i finally invoice that coin an' a half ?
1877918;1543842685;a111;Logged on 2018-11-28 20:30 BingoBoingo: Mocky: Will ask, tyvm
1877919;1543844487;mircea_popescu;http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/080-botworks-regrind.html#selection-147.0-147.65 << nice work. imo this is a fine golden standard, "test all noted V implementations on a regrind/regenesis."
1877920;1543844497;mircea_popescu;might as well, seems eminently the right time and place for such testing.
1877921;1543848236;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877909 << (3) is potentially doable but will leave you marooned with one kernel, unless you have a second, similar box -- google's shitware is dynlinked and wont run under musltronic cuntoo
1877922;1543848236;a111;Logged on 2018-12-03 10:39 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-29#1875947 <-- hm. so I'm seeing a few distinct problems here. 1. de-googlifying the bootloader (and getting rid of the cr50 mess); 2. using a non-googlistic kernel; and 3. replacing the rootfs with a cuntoo userspace. if I understood correctly, then 2 depends on googlistic signing software because of 1, but 3 should be doable either way (if anything, ave1's compiler is a more immediate requirement to get
1877923;1543848261;asciilifeform;( the 'signing' shitware, that is )
1877924;1543848339;asciilifeform;as for (1) , recall that i did find a partial break that lets operator 'debrick' ( flash bootloader via usb )
1877925;1543848372;asciilifeform;what i never had time to bake is a working replacement for their faux-uboot thing.
1877926;1543848415;asciilifeform;( theoretically theirs is 'open sores' but building it requires a multi-GB toolchain that i never succeeded in getting to run )
1877927;1543848497;asciilifeform;if you can build it, potentially quickest pill is to transplant the trad fs logic from uboot to it ( google's shitware demands that the kernel lie on a custom googlistic partition, and be 'signed' with their sad-rsa in custom format etc )
1877928;1543848627;asciilifeform;spyked: keep in mind that to do almosg anything useful with the box, requires the http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2415 cable
1877929;1543848684;asciilifeform;( iirc you can now buy 'official' one in various places, 20 $ u.s. or so )
1877930;1543849991;mod6;Mornin'
1877931;1543850098;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877917 << If this is regarding payment for the 9.5k wFF, I sent payment at the beginning of November, Sir: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-30#1867587 << >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-01#1868263
1877932;1543850098;a111;Logged on 2018-12-03 13:11 mircea_popescu: hey did http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-28#1875888 actually come to anything ? can i finally invoice that coin an' a half ?
1877933;1543850098;a111;Logged on 2018-10-30 05:20 mod6: !Xbid 1004 1500000001
1877934;1543850098;a111;Logged on 2018-11-01 14:13 mod6: !!pay mircea_popescu 1.50000001
1877935;1543850271;asciilifeform;wb mod6
1877936;1543850348;mod6;hai asciilifeform
1877937;1543850419;asciilifeform;!#seen esthlos
1877938;1543850419;a111;2018-10-23 <esthlos> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1864316 << apologies alf, I'm running behind! trying to gather time to get caught up in the next week or two
1877939;1543850458;asciilifeform;http://summaries.logs.esthlos.com << last update : nov. 2. which is a shame, imho these were a++ summaries
1877940;1543850633;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877916 << to date we've had both types of regrind ( e.g. diana_coman reground 'mpi' into 1 genesis, for use in smg ; ffa on other hand had a 'history-preserving' regrind , http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2743 ; and iirc mod6 is baking a 'history' regrind for trb ; diana_coman had 'history' regrind for eucrypt; and possibly i missed somebody in this list )
1877941;1543850633;a111;Logged on 2018-12-03 13:08 mircea_popescu: previous thinking was generally that a regrind pretty much means collapsing a whole tree into a single genesis patch. but thinking about it i don't see why that has to be the case, if there's the hands to do more fine work.
1877942;1543850693;mircea_popescu;true enough.
1877943;1543850715;asciilifeform;incidentally i still gotta keccak-regrind FG ( no one complained, but it still gotta be done )
1877944;1543850759;asciilifeform;and guten morgen mircea_popescu !
1877945;1543850773;mircea_popescu;heya.
1877946;1543850886;asciilifeform;my current understanding is that '1 genesis' regrind is when yer ready to 'swallow' a proggy into own project , and take over its maintenance with own hands ; 'history' is when regrinding own proggy, for manifestism/keccakism etc
1877947;1543850984;asciilifeform;( 'swallowing' is not mutually exclusive, necessarily, with supplying patches upstream to orig -- diana_coman , for instance, 'swallowed' ada-udp , but did also post patches for my tree, a+++ )
1877948;1543851035;asciilifeform;( it's a reusable component, and i expect will appear elsewhere , so this is quite helpful )
1877949;1543851187;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877907 << my orig proof-of-concept v.py did not Do Right Thing on multiple branches in some tree shapes ( iirc phf orig discovered this effect, yrs ago ) , prolly i oughta rewrite the relevant piece , given as some folx other than asciilifeform apparently still want to use v.py
1877950;1543851187;a111;Logged on 2018-12-03 10:26 spyked: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/080-botworks-regrind.html <-- seems to have been lost in friday's deedbot downtime.
1877951;1543851216;*;asciilifeform hands 100% full with ffa , presently
1877952;1543851271;mircea_popescu;right.
1877953;1543851347;asciilifeform;( ch14 in particular, is the most algebra-heavy ch to date, and it's beginning to look like i'ma have to cut it in 2 as i did with ch 12 )
1877954;1543851444;asciilifeform;it's the 1 with the barrett proof.
1877955;1543851556;*;asciilifeform still carrying on with the promise given in ch1 , 'you oughta be able to eat a ch in ~1hour'. tho i do not know if succeeded to date, so far no one said how long it took'em to eat
1877956;1543851651;asciilifeform;trinque: i put a calendar slot orig for sat. dec 2 to test cuntoo, but it got stolen by saecular liquishit; sadly i'ma have to postpone until i get ch14
1877957;1543851720;asciilifeform;( sad troof : sumtimes asciilifeform's lamp gets rubbed even on weekend, and he goes to grant wishes.. )
1877958;1543851836;mircea_popescu;well, hour, week, what diff does it make, we live forever
1877959;1543851840;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if you want to link in dec. snsa broadcast, the nov '18 ch's are 12A, 12B, 13 .
1877960;1543851857;mircea_popescu;ty!
1877961;1543851915;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2753 , http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2798 , http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2822 for convenience.
1877962;1543851994;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: yea olympus lives 4evah, but asciilifeform is making a serious stab at rolling with the http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2735 release calendar
1877963;1543852003;mircea_popescu;in shit entirely unrelated to anything, but since we're doing links : hey alf, you ever ran into https://dadatroll.wordpress.com/2010/04/27/eu-erou-al-timpurilor-noastre/ ?
1877964;1543852019;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: dun thinkso
1877965;1543852074;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: is this re that time in old world where mircea_popescu drove commie 'poet' to death of drink ?
1877966;1543852097;mircea_popescu;turns out there's a 2010 version of "mp has spaceship wtf"
1877967;1543852126;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is a futurist/urmuz-style satyre of what was perceived in ro context as my strictly insane perspective on things
1877968;1543852133;mircea_popescu;"wash ?! BWAHAHAHA WHAT NEXT!!!"
1877969;1543852172;mircea_popescu;https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/The_cow_pock.jpg style
1877970;1543852174;asciilifeform;i was somehow under impression that in those days ~errybody with a comp and a modem in ro regularly read mircea_popescu
1877971;1543852184;mircea_popescu;(likbez : 1800s people thought vaccination will lead to cows coming out of people)
1877972;1543852191;asciilifeform;famous pic
1877973;1543852207;asciilifeform;iirc was split b/w 'grow udders' and 'god's wrath' variants
1877974;1543852230;mircea_popescu;yeah but the more biological horn seems more interesting to me. the other just stale dry biscuit.
1877975;1543852250;mircea_popescu;"something happened ? god's wrath!" not exactly much intellectually adherent.
1877976;1543852266;asciilifeform;'biological horn' made comebacks when blood transfusion 'oh noez, will subsume personality of donor' and then in '80s for pig organs and whoknows nao
1877977;1543852309;mircea_popescu;yup.
1877978;1543852324;mircea_popescu;and all this just because women take on the personality of the cock they wrap around.
1877979;1543852373;*;asciilifeform brb,teatime
1877980;1543852433;mircea_popescu;though, the important part isn't of course "how insane that was", but rather ~how reasonable~. the reason it's even called "vacca-cination" is because original 1800s version preceded a good understanding of microbics, and was purely "if this done, this comes out" black boxk of human body approach. used literal chunklets of infected cow to generate immunity in humans to DIFFERENT strain of virus (ie, measles, like cowpox, same
1877981;1543852434;mircea_popescu; glycoproteins on cover thus crossimmunity works).
1877982;1543852471;mircea_popescu;the perfectly sound logic being that "if we follow the proponents, and believe stuffing human with selecrted bits of beef, has medical effects of a type, why not believe it has medical effects of another type!"
1877983;1543852482;mircea_popescu;which isn't insane in any sense, on the contrary, ~fucking reasonable~.
1877984;1543852849;mircea_popescu;and incidentally, it's only called vaccination to convey the (at the time important) notation that "it's like variolation, but with cow bits". because exposure to variola infected tissue had been used for half a century or more by then.
1877985;1543852927;mircea_popescu;(possibly millenia, really, it's an iffy point)
1877986;1543854450;lobbes;http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/080-botworks-regrind.html << this is pretty cool Spyked. I'ma give your regrind of logbot_command_router_python_genesis a test and if it all presses I'll sign
1877987;1543854454;lobbes;this also gives me another reason to take diana_coman's V setup for a spin (http://ossasepia.com/2018/11/13/v-with-vtools-keccak-hashes-and-its-own-tree/)
1877988;1543855734;asciilifeform;!Q later tell phf loox like dks is selling another! 'ivory' on lulzbay >> https://archive.is/Bkm8E
1877989;1543855734;lobbesbot;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1877990;1543855885;asciilifeform;lobbes: asciilifeform currently using diana_coman's vtron , worx a+++
1877991;1543856077;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if you know of specifics re the 'millenia' item, i'd be quite curious to see, 1st time i hear of this notion (outside of the hindu nationalist lolcows, who are deadly certain that they had nuke and supercomputer 'millenia' ago also.. )
1877992;1543856596;asciilifeform;kinda smacks of ye olde 'bagdad battery' ( i.e. 'they ~could~ have, and we found these-here vaguely suggestive pot shards..' )
1877993;1543857054;*;asciilifeform went an' actually read http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877963 , turns out its sorta opposite sign bit from what i assumed
1877994;1543857054;a111;Logged on 2018-12-03 15:46 mircea_popescu: in shit entirely unrelated to anything, but since we're doing links : hey alf, you ever ran into https://dadatroll.wordpress.com/2010/04/27/eu-erou-al-timpurilor-noastre/ ?
1877995;1543857229;asciilifeform;( loox like it's 1 of those 'haha, he thinks he has courage, let him sit in gulag! see how much courage then!' sorta flames )
1877996;1543857481;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877980 << l. szilard's proposition that los alamos nuke might chainreact atmosphere, was neither moar nor less 'insane'
1877997;1543857481;a111;Logged on 2018-12-03 15:53 mircea_popescu: though, the important part isn't of course "how insane that was", but rather ~how reasonable~. the reason it's even called "vacca-cination" is because original 1800s version preceded a good understanding of microbics, and was purely "if this done, this comes out" black boxk of human body approach. used literal chunklets of infected cow to generate immunity in humans to DIFFERENT strain of virus (ie, measles, like cowpox, same
1877998;1543857578;asciilifeform;( and iirc he in fact undershot the probability by an order of magnitude, when calculating )
1877999;1543857594;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877917 << Per mod6's notes and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877931 he didn't wait for an invoice before firing off payment
1878000;1543857594;a111;Logged on 2018-12-03 13:11 mircea_popescu: hey did http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-28#1875888 actually come to anything ? can i finally invoice that coin an' a half ?
1878001;1543857594;a111;Logged on 2018-12-03 15:14 mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877917 << If this is regarding payment for the 9.5k wFF, I sent payment at the beginning of November, Sir: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-30#1867587 << >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-01#1868263
1878002;1543857702;BingoBoingo;And the datacenter just sent the statement of account showing receipt of the wires
1878003;1543861762;BingoBoingo;!Xbuy .5 bn 96 2k wFF
1878004;1543861763;auctionbot;BingoBoingo: Eggog: Please express the opening bid as a positive integer
1878005;1543861837;BingoBoingo;!xbuy 500 mn 96 2k wFF
1878006;1543861855;danielpbarron;no space between 500 and mn
1878007;1543861952;BingoBoingo;ty
1878008;1543861958;BingoBoingo;!xbuy 500mn 96 2k wFF
1878009;1543861971;BingoBoingo;!Xbuy 500mn 96 2k wFF
1878010;1543861972;auctionbot;Buy order # 1009 created by BingoBoingo: 2k wFF Opening: 500mn ecu Ending: 2018-12-07 06:34:14.465343 UTC (95 hours)
1878011;1543861981;BingoBoingo;Ah, X needed capitalized as well
1878012;1543865049;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877916 <-- doing the regrind, I also had the sense that "this is akin to fitting lego pieces together in order to obtain meaningful result". and I'm pretty sure there's a log line describing v patches this way, but I couldn't find it.
1878013;1543865049;a111;Logged on 2018-12-03 13:08 mircea_popescu: previous thinking was generally that a regrind pretty much means collapsing a whole tree into a single genesis patch. but thinking about it i don't see why that has to be the case, if there's the hands to do more fine work.
1878014;1543865257;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877921 <-- noted. this placement of heathen os in the bootstrapping process is indeed big problem and I hadn't previously considered it.
1878015;1543865257;a111;Logged on 2018-12-03 14:43 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877909 << (3) is potentially doable but will leave you marooned with one kernel, unless you have a second, similar box -- google's shitware is dynlinked and wont run under musltronic cuntoo
1878016;1543865306;asciilifeform;spyked: the other headache is that google's orig boot rom will format your hdd if you forget to hit ctrl-d on coldboot
1878017;1543865326;asciilifeform;i find this intolerable on any box used for anything serious whatsoever, so my c101pa is presently gathering dust
1878018;1543865447;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877949 <-- ftr, v.py was the first vtron that I read, and I think it's a great didactic implem (though nowadays esthlos v is imho a good competitor in that field)
1878019;1543865447;a111;Logged on 2018-12-03 15:33 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877907 << my orig proof-of-concept v.py did not Do Right Thing on multiple branches in some tree shapes ( iirc phf orig discovered this effect, yrs ago ) , prolly i oughta rewrite the relevant piece , given as some folx other than asciilifeform apparently still want to use v.py
1878020;1543865473;asciilifeform;spyked: it's the 1st one most folx used, given as it was the first vtron
1878021;1543865519;spyked;asciilifeform, does boot rom reflash disk with chrome os, or what?
1878022;1543865550;asciilifeform;spyked: it does, and immediately , if you forget the ctrl-d 'dev mode' ritual
1878023;1543865647;trinque;spyked: you want to do the RSS handoff this evening (in say 8hrs, since I dunno where you're at on this orb) ?
1878024;1543865657;asciilifeform;remember, they sell that thing as a dumb terminal, with only a token bone thrown to 'yes you can install own os' notion
1878025;1543865669;trinque;I'll give you a list of current PM subscriptions so you can keep firing those for people.
1878026;1543865685;trinque;(included in a whole dump of subscriptions)
1878027;1543865833;spyked;trinque, I can do in max 3hrs from now (I'm on utc+2 time, and will have to go sleep soon). but yeah, send me all the subscriptions when you have time, so I can cross-check with the ones that I have.
1878028;1543865957;*;asciilifeform bbl;meat
1878029;1543866033;spyked;(or I can arrange getting up early one of the following days, say wednesday to fit trinque's schedule)
1878030;1543866442;trinque;nah, how bout now then?
1878031;1543866455;spyked;trinque, sounds good
1878032;1543866641;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877986 <-- cheers! /me is looking forward to that (then adding http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-14#1862345 to logbot shouldn't be very difficult)
1878033;1543866641;a111;Logged on 2018-12-03 16:27 lobbes: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/080-botworks-regrind.html << this is pretty cool Spyked. I'ma give your regrind of logbot_command_router_python_genesis a test and if it all presses I'll sign
1878034;1543866641;a111;Logged on 2018-10-14 15:05 lobbes: (to begin, it will not have self-voice capability. Spyked's voicer is for the ircbot branch of the tree sadly, so I will need to add voicing to the logbot branch. However, I figure that can wait for another day)
1878035;1543867635;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877991 << it's pretty certain ming chinese used "insert bits of sick person" process, via insufflation of scabs. this part is not controversial, there's multiple period descriptions of the item.
1878036;1543867635;a111;Logged on 2018-12-03 16:54 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you know of specifics re the 'millenia' item, i'd be quite curious to see, 1st time i hear of this notion (outside of the hindu nationalist lolcows, who are deadly certain that they had nuke and supercomputer 'millenia' ago also.. )
1878037;1543867657;mircea_popescu;people trading silk with china (ie, various arab groups) started doing something similar, 16ish century.
1878038;1543867695;mircea_popescu;in any case it was never common, more of a rich folk giving young bride best chances sorta affair, "if i'ma spend a fortune rising this special camel it'd better sniff dead corpses" sorta thing.
1878039;1543867796;mircea_popescu;but i mean, they had elaborate (and interesting) customs, how many scabs, how long to dry (fresh scabs pretty much communicate variola, but dry ones are safe because virions very fragile, readily inactivated by dryness), which nostril to use (girls got left), how to make the blower and what out of (silver) and so on.
1878040;1543869843;deedbot;http://bimbo.club/?p=98 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 11/17/2018
1878041;1543870359;lobbes;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/sV2GA/?raw=true << diana_coman, asciilifeform, or other users of vk.pl, have you encountered this barf before? Trying to test my installation of diana_coman's v setup by pressing eucrypt from http://ossasepia.com/reference-code-shelf/
1878042;1543870363;lobbes;Since this was my first time using vtools, I used diana's "starter v" with the build.sh. Script ran fine, and vtools such as ksum are working. I installed GNAT from https://www.adacore.com/download (the x86-64 GNU Linux). I'm on my debian box, gcc version 4.9.2
1878043;1543870398;*;lobbes been staring at terminal most of the day, so gonna step away to grab some $food. bbl
1878044;1543870486;diana_coman;lobbes, never seen that before but it seems related to gnat version?
1878045;1543870502;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/12/more-than-440-us-military-service-members-sextorted-by-prisoners/ << Qntra - More Than 440 US Military Service Members Sextorted By Prisoners
1878046;1543873040;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1878039 << pretty interesting, plox to post if you end up remembering where saw this orig
1878047;1543873040;a111;Logged on 2018-12-03 20:09 mircea_popescu: but i mean, they had elaborate (and interesting) customs, how many scabs, how long to dry (fresh scabs pretty much communicate variola, but dry ones are safe because virions very fragile, readily inactivated by dryness), which nostril to use (girls got left), how to make the blower and what out of (silver) and so on.
1878048;1543873098;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1878041 << this loox possibly like failure of the tempfile mechanism ( as discussed in recent thread )
1878049;1543873098;a111;Logged on 2018-12-03 20:52 lobbes: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/sV2GA/?raw=true << diana_coman, asciilifeform, or other users of vk.pl, have you encountered this barf before? Trying to test my installation of diana_coman's v setup by pressing eucrypt from http://ossasepia.com/reference-code-shelf/
1878050;1543873105;asciilifeform;lobbes: post strace plox
1878051;1543873149;asciilifeform;( does it ever create the file at that path ? if so, failed ? etc )
1878052;1543873274;asciilifeform;and in general this is gold standard for 'wtf is this' debug. pleez post strace log folx!
1878053;1543873333;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1878042 << btw current standard gnat is ave1's , you can use the heathen one (at least with asciilifeform's proggies, worx) but 'no warranty'
1878054;1543873333;a111;Logged on 2018-12-03 20:52 lobbes: Since this was my first time using vtools, I used diana's "starter v" with the build.sh. Script ran fine, and vtools such as ksum are working. I installed GNAT from https://www.adacore.com/download (the x86-64 GNU Linux). I'm on my debian box, gcc version 4.9.2
1878055;1543873388;asciilifeform;( starting with ch12 all ffa tested strictly on ave1's gnat )
1878056;1543873481;asciilifeform;granted ave1's gnat still has 'miles to go' in some aspects, gotta be de-autoconf'd ( asciilifeform aint ever signing ANYTHING with autoconfolade in it ) and genesis'd. but it worx a++, is portable (to arm, currently) and is frozen, which is good bit moar than can be said for adacore's thing
1878057;1543873688;diana_coman;hm, if it's indeed the tmp thing, it might be worth a try to press vtools to current leaf (i.e. vtools_tempfile_standalone or _notmp) and see if that cures it; my archive contains pressed vtools to ksum patch only, not further
1878058;1543875897;bvt;lobbes: i am also interested in learning which gnat version/type and vtools leaf was used, and seeing strace output; i thought this error can happen only on adacore gnat >=2017 with a strict libc (which rejects 3-character template)
1878059;1543877574;spyked;hey trinque, you still on for changing rss bots? I should be around for another 30 minutes or so. depending on the number of feeds/subscribers, it may take me a while to check/add everything, so we could do this in two steps: you send me the subscriptions (pm, #trilema and everything else) tonight whenever you can, and then I'll add them tomorrow and fire up feedbot whenever you're available to turn off deedbot rss
1878060;1543877851;trinque;spyked: lets do that, sounds good.
1878061;1543877869;trinque;sorry about that, got dragged into something in meatspace meanwhile.
1878062;1543878140;lobbes;diana_coman, bvt: this was indeed a newer adacore (from May 2018) https://www.adacore.com/download. I'm going to look into the tempfile thread alf mentioned. may very well be the same issue
1878063;1543878144;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1878050 << here's my strace on pressing just eucrypt_genesis.vpatch >> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/TSSVE/?raw=true
1878064;1543878144;a111;Logged on 2018-12-03 21:38 asciilifeform: lobbes: post strace plox
1878065;1543878150;lobbes;however I'm not sure even -strace- is working (or perhaps I'm just doing it wrong). for e.g. here's an strace of just "./vk.pl". It just hangs and gives nothing else (same as if I strace the press or just strace "cat /dev/null") >> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/QN42P/?raw=true
1878066;1543878160;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1878051 << does not create the file, but creates the directories
1878067;1543878160;a111;Logged on 2018-12-03 21:39 asciilifeform: ( does it ever create the file at that path ? if so, failed ? etc )
1878068;1543878169;lobbes;at this point I'm thinking I may just retry this on, say, the rockchip. I dun want to burn republican hours on what just may be debian/shitgnome strange.
1878069;1543878181;*;lobbes is soon going to grab a spare lappy so as to test out cuntoo and finally have a sane os with e.g. ave1's gnat, etc.
1878070;1543878183;asciilifeform;lobbes: that doesn't look like a strace output
1878071;1543878196;lobbes;hm
1878072;1543878203;bvt;please use strace -f
1878073;1543878212;lobbes;will do
1878074;1543878341;bvt;howeve i see that you are stracing a vk.pl, not vpatch itself. tracing vk.pl would give too much information, it would help to see only strace -f  vpatch < patches/eucrypt_genesis.vpatch
1878075;1543878685;spyked;trinque ok, np.
1878076;1543878690;*;spyked switches off for the night
1878077;1543878913;lobbes;btv: I wonder if just my strace is borked. here's the trace from vpatch < patches/eucrypt_genesis.vpatch >> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/GU1GJ/?raw=true
1878078;1543878929;lobbes;for comparison, here's "strace -f ls" >> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/tqhRh/?raw=true
1878079;1543878936;lobbes;seems borked there as well
1878080;1543879032;lobbes;anyways, I'm try this later on a sane os, and with a gnat < 2017 (will also re-read some of the recent gnat threads).
1878081;1543879808;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1878032 << I actually ended up getting a logbot_command_router-based self-voicing thing working (auctionbot uses it), but it uses the interface-with-gpg method instead of the stash-of-OTP method, and considering we may be moving to a new voice model anyways I did not publish (http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-17#1851087)
1878082;1543879808;a111;Logged on 2018-12-03 19:50 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877986 <-- cheers! /me is looking forward to that (then adding http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-14#1862345 to logbot shouldn't be very difficult)
1878083;1543879808;a111;Logged on 2018-09-17 22:22 trinque: wot rating lookup isn't heavy at all, sounds like a plan.
1878084;1543879825;lobbes;However, if anyone wants (once I get a proper keccak v going) I can make a private patch on request (a la http://trilema.com/2018/the-v-questionarium-answerarium-2018-edition/#selection-327.0-327.204)
1878085;1543879837;*;lobbes off to meat
1878086;1543880243;mircea_popescu;jesus christ these #mootoo's.
1878087;1543880243;mircea_popescu;LordMPofTMSR  38M Master 3h "Think of it as an intelligence test. That you're failing." Violet13s 21F sub 3h 'Well whatever you said in the subject box I can't see so I have no idea what " intelligence test " your trying to have me show you. So I'm not really failing, if you want to find out my intelligence you should just message it.'
1878088;1543880252;mircea_popescu;how can one even come up with this shit ?
1878089;1543880306;mircea_popescu;this whole fetlife thing has firmly convinced me i'd have been deeply unequipped to convincingly write a millenial before. one really needs to experience the unleashed stupid to be able to conceptualize just what garbage these shitstacks are.
1878090;1543880508;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that or http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-20#1873867
1878091;1543880508;a111;Logged on 2018-11-20 17:38 asciilifeform: PARRY: You should pay more attention.  ELIZA: Suppose you should pay more attention.  PARRY: You're entitled to your own opinion.  ELIZA:What makes you think I am entitled to my own opinion? ..
1878092;1543880572;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i can't conceive how this'd be mechanized.
1878093;1543880601;asciilifeform;wainot ? just seed the eliza with buncha variants of same garbage 'ugh i can't see what's in the msg box' and yer golden
1878094;1543880660;mircea_popescu;eliza will come up with the idea of "messaging her intelligence" ? ie, enact it as a distinct-disembodied-totem of herself ?
1878095;1543880660;asciilifeform;there's, what, 5 or 6 things they emit ( incl. the 'i have a dom' , 'i am a dom', etc claptrap )
1878096;1543880697;mircea_popescu;this sort of procedure creates high poetry, to be remembered over the millenia. if, of course, in the hands of humans as opposed to whatever-us-got.
1878097;1543880698;asciilifeform;'if you want to find out my $keyword just message it'
1878098;1543880710;asciilifeform;stock eliza will perform a++.
1878099;1543880715;asciilifeform;just set the knobs.
1878100;1543880739;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if you're going to pattern-match this closely your "eliza" will be ~alphabet sized. 1tb phonebook not really "artificial" in any sense, merely parrotlicious.
1878101;1543880744;asciilifeform;it's a really notbad idjit-emulator.
1878102;1543880749;mircea_popescu;it's terrible.
1878103;1543880750;asciilifeform;of course parrot. how else.
1878104;1543880760;asciilifeform;the 'people' are very similar parrots tho.
1878105;1543880765;mircea_popescu;this is the point im making. before fetlife lulz, i thought as you do, "eliza a+ idiot emulator"
1878106;1543880768;mircea_popescu;utterly not true.
1878107;1543880792;mircea_popescu;not formally similar, no. substantially ~identical, yes. functionally predictable. formally mindboggling.
1878108;1543880848;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ever try bot that picks 2 derps and sets'em against 1 another ?
1878109;1543880870;mircea_popescu;(you understand, what she ~actually means~ is that i should send her whatever test i want her to take, ~in the form her Divine Mother taught her to test-take~.)
1878110;1543880889;asciilifeform;hm in point of fact didn't
1878111;1543880899;asciilifeform;i had nfi how to parse 'just message it'
1878112;1543880909;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it doesn't work, because believe this wonder! they have built-in de-engager (they follow complex rules as to the volume of comms, that look oddly reminiscent of "why fusion won't go")
1878113;1543880926;asciilifeform;electron shells? pretty interesting.
1878114;1543881014;mircea_popescu;as a very basic intro level (like "atom is cake with electron raisins in it"), they have a 60% rule, where the response wordcount will be on a curve centered on ~60% of input. yes sometimes will answer 120% or like in the rare case quoted yest, perturber in excited state, 600%. nevertheless, if you sum over the millions...
1878115;1543881092;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: didja ever rule out hypothesis that there's a diff heathen pit where moar % actual people and fewer % elizas ?
1878116;1543881097;mircea_popescu;"This despicable targeting of our brave service members will never be tolerated," said Director Andrew Traver << top keks, check it out, "it's not child porn NAO!!!"
1878117;1543881099;asciilifeform;or is there really just that 1
1878118;1543881143;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there's 1 with more, not fewer ; then there's the 100% bot items, like http://qntra.net/2016/12/ashley-madison-settles-again/
1878119;1543881159;asciilifeform;these yes ( iirc even their actual eliza proggy leaked )
1878120;1543881206;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-22#1660120 << item.
1878121;1543881206;a111;Logged on 2017-05-22 15:29 mircea_popescu: collarme.com was the original ; entitled wifey tried to run off with domain name / blackmail hubby. lengthy "awareness raising" fembs. dude ignored her thoroughly, reg'd new name, six weeks later she's entirely forgotten.
1878122;1543881227;*;asciilifeform wonders how many kilometres of eliza log mircea_popescu ends up reading per 1 actual nicoleci worth of yield
1878123;1543881247;asciilifeform;just how many tonnes of sea water per kg of U
1878124;1543881289;mircea_popescu;the current estimate is about ~1 ppm, give or take 65%. which i'm sure she'll love to read in the log. howdy slut!
1878125;1543881393;asciilifeform;about what % reach the stage where mircea_popescu bothers with keyboard input ?
1878126;1543881400;mircea_popescu;but anyway, i usually read the extreme scores, if doing nothing in particular. not exactly a waste of time, the shit that gets dredged up...
1878127;1543881445;asciilifeform;heh, it's prolly moar interesting that e.g. server lint trap contents, yea
1878128;1543881456;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform greatly depends on how inclined i feel lol. maybe 15ppm or so.
1878129;1543881488;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, think -- spam trap WITH LIVE IDIOT on other end. did you never feel like "hey, are you stupid ?" @those doods ?
1878130;1543881494;asciilifeform;notbad, if 1 in 15 that actually take manual input, end up turning into nicoleci
1878131;1543881516;mircea_popescu;usually i write to mock/amuse self not to select/instruct, tho.
1878132;1543881536;asciilifeform;makes sense
1878133;1543881537;mircea_popescu;ie this conflates two rather different interests.
1878134;1543881575;asciilifeform;yrs ago when asciilifeform earned bread as a sort of spammer exterminator, also usually engaged manually for own amusement, rather than to any particular other end
1878135;1543881599;asciilifeform;( extermination dun usually require ~speaking~ to the roaches )
1878136;1543881607;mircea_popescu;right ? suppose you found your wife through chain of events thereby started. shall i ask you %q's about wife-finding now ?
1878137;1543881619;asciilifeform;no, makes sense.
1878138;1543881654;mircea_popescu;for what it's worth, chet & i ran into each other on meanwhile-defunct 2d game /me briefly played while being hidden away in a bunker many years ago, to not go entirely fucking mad.
1878139;1543881669;mircea_popescu;whereas hanbot & i ran into each other literally on collarme forums.
1878140;1543881695;*;asciilifeform could prolly happily live for yr in a bunker with net pipe
1878141;1543881702;mircea_popescu;yet i am convinced you can play 2d games until the end of creation not unearth me another chet.
1878142;1543881724;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform period mp had exactly 0 theorems to prove.
1878143;1543881740;*;asciilifeform also did not always have theorem to prove
1878144;1543881742;asciilifeform;but sure.
1878145;1543881824;mircea_popescu;the encounters of intelligent people always have this mocky flavour, "fuck me, i was sitting here looking for a bitcoin game now it seems i'm going to qatar ?! these people ask the wrong fucking questions!"
1878146;1543881994;mircea_popescu;anyway, for citizens interested in more serious work : i shall prolly delay report making for a few days, because well, this month started with apendicitis hanbot, and i'm not going to force the very pleasant locals to set up their er/surgery hotel with my complicated red boxes.
1878147;1543882082;*;asciilifeform wishes a speedy return to health to hanbot 
1878148;1543882134;mircea_popescu;she is outside danger.
1878149;1543882292;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877995 << it's absurdist, not even clear there's actual structure underneath the form (in the sense of "haha, you thought was structured ? idiot! kek")
1878150;1543882292;a111;Logged on 2018-12-03 17:13 asciilifeform: ( loox like it's 1 of those 'haha, he thinks he has courage, let him sit in gulag! see how much courage then!' sorta flames )
1878151;1543882425;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1878002 << o hallelujah! well so then great, ty Mocky_ & everyone involved, pizarro sitting pretty for once!
1878152;1543882425;a111;Logged on 2018-12-03 17:21 BingoBoingo: And the datacenter just sent the statement of account showing receipt of the wires
1878153;1543882455;*;mircea_popescu will check on balance and report confirmation also later.
1878154;1543882550;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1878017 << fucking nonsense, for reals.
1878155;1543882550;a111;Logged on 2018-12-03 19:28 asciilifeform: i find this intolerable on any box used for anything serious whatsoever, so my c101pa is presently gathering dust
1878156;1543882571;mircea_popescu;is it supposed to be a computer or a boobytrap.
1878157;1543882573;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: my whole orig impetus for 'cure bootloader' was that nonsense
1878158;1543882582;mircea_popescu;i can see why it'd be.
1878159;1543882582;asciilifeform;( then found ~other~ boobies inside.. )
1878160;1543882638;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1878020 << and also, python.
1878161;1543882638;a111;Logged on 2018-12-03 19:31 asciilifeform: spyked: it's the 1st one most folx used, given as it was the first vtron
1878162;1543882642;asciilifeform;i experimented with curing an earlier chromebook, in early 2013, also
1878163;1543882650;asciilifeform;broke teeth.
1878164;1543882681;asciilifeform;tho i was able to get a kinda linux on it, it actually went with me to mircea_popescu's c2 as travel comp
1878165;1543882702;asciilifeform;( thought 'what comp to take that i dun mind border idjiots stealing' )
1878166;1543882718;mircea_popescu;lmao. yeah, i recall this somehow.
1878167;1543882757;asciilifeform;that thing is holding down a stack of papers somewhere in torture room
1878168;1543882784;asciilifeform;samsung thingie, weighs 400g or so
1878169;1543882831;asciilifeform;( to enlinuxize, had to open it and put crocodiles on the eeprom . but iron was flaky, thing sometimes would wake from sleepmode with x11 mutilated , etc )
1878170;1543882873;asciilifeform;i had naively installed 'archlinux' on it, and as result found out for 1st time what systemd was.
1878171;1543883015;mircea_popescu;heh
1878172;1543883032;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-04#1878160 << will be great once we have that scripting lang ( http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-21#1843516 ) so we can throw out pythons, perls, etc
1878173;1543883032;a111;Logged on 2018-12-04 00:17 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1878020 << and also, python.
1878174;1543883032;a111;Logged on 2018-08-21 18:28 asciilifeform: all i particularly care for in re scripting is to obtain a replacement for perl/python/bash where the interpreter is simple (i.e. readable, fits-in-head, auditable, correct)
1878175;1543883050;mircea_popescu;yeah, wasn't mod6 's perl thing even earlier ?
1878176;1543883094;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: v.py was my orig vtron , as preserved in amber in http://trilema.com/2015/no-such-labs-releases-v-for-victory/
1878177;1543883110;asciilifeform;mod6 wrote his (much moar feature-complete) item shortly after
1878178;1543883141;asciilifeform;then , iirc, punkman ( now-defunkt greek d00d ) wrote one ; then ben_vulpes
1878179;1543883142;mircea_popescu;ah right you are, his was a product of "ima try to reimplement to understand this".
1878180;1543883242;asciilifeform;afaik there are currently 3 working ( i.e. with keccak format ) vtrons , v.py ( as patched by phf ) , v.pl ( patched by diana_coman ) and esthlos
1878181;1543883262;asciilifeform;( there is also phf's www-displaying one, but that one isn't a system proggy or published as such )
1878182;1543883674;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1878046 << you're in luck, i have it for you right here : http://archive.is/Tqi6j#selection-2159.124794-2159.124944
1878183;1543883674;a111;Logged on 2018-12-03 21:37 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1878039 << pretty interesting, plox to post if you end up remembering where saw this orig
1878184;1543883690;asciilifeform;oh hey neat
1878185;1543883706;mircea_popescu;his lordship newton's signoff, which is how one ends up reading such things
1878186;1543883712;asciilifeform;lol terrifyingly rotten ocr
1878187;1543883727;mircea_popescu;can always go to a real library read the ph proc of the royal society.
1878188;1543883744;asciilifeform;page seems to have a photo ver
1878189;1543883764;mircea_popescu;imo one would, http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-19#515185
1878190;1543883764;a111;Logged on 2014-02-19 04:46 asciilifeform: ('russian i would learn, simply because, it was spoken by lenin')
1878191;1543883776;asciilifeform;pretty interesting item, btw
1878192;1543883785;asciilifeform;i had nfi these'd been scanned
1878193;1543883809;mircea_popescu;well it's not a scan worth the mention. but they are far from uncommon, most (serious) uni libraries should have really.
1878194;1543883846;asciilifeform;found subj, p. 72
1878195;1543883860;asciilifeform;ty mircea_popescu
1878196;1543883874;mircea_popescu;my pleasure.
1878197;1543884217;asciilifeform;'AVERTISEMENT. just published. methodus incrementorum directa & inverta, auctore Brook Taylor, L.D.D., & R. S. Seer' << notbad
1878198;1543884233;asciilifeform;*inversa
1878199;1543884397;asciilifeform;'An Account of what appear'd on opening the big-belly'd Woman near Haman in Shropshire, who was suppos'd to have continued many Years with Child' -- iirc we even had the thread !
1878200;1543884417;asciilifeform;ru pathologists refer to subj as 'wax fetus', can't recall what it is in eng
1878201;1543884656;asciilifeform;all in all ~substantially~ moar interesting read than today's academi-claptrap !
1878202;1543884792;asciilifeform;fetus papyraceus btw.
1878203;1543884859;asciilifeform;( makes sense, the name, thing tends to get pounded flat and acquire a roadkill-like leathery appearance )
1878204;1543885017;asciilifeform;https://ia800209.us.archive.org/0/items/philosophicaltra2917roya/philosophicaltra2917roya_bw.pdf << 35 MB (!) scanturd , but displays ok on the box i keep for the purpose
1878205;1543885047;asciilifeform;( could've just as easily been a 3MB djvu, but the derps evidently dun know that this exists )
1878206;1543885102;asciilifeform;i dun expect these will ever be OCR'd, hand-typesetted-cum-diagrams newtonola is possibly a bridge too far for ocr.
1878207;1543885198;*;asciilifeform bbl;meat
1878208;1543885815;*;mircea_popescu enjoys the spectacle of an alf enjoying himself.
1878209;1543887862;asciilifeform;and lol it was of course R. S. Secr
1878210;1543887871;asciilifeform;i.e. royal soc secretary
1878211;1543887886;asciilifeform;( and not mythical sage ' r.s.seer' )
1878212;1543887893;asciilifeform;ink rot ftw.
1878213;1543898749;mircea_popescu;back when people abbreviated because literally lacked the ink and paper
1878214;1543906530;mircea_popescu;spyked re http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/080-botworks-regrind.html#fn4 : the "wrong cut" i'm affraid is the baked-in expectation that you (the impersonal you) might "choose" among "versions" of something as fundamental as the db system, somewhere as late in the flow of things as the userland.
1878215;1543906546;auctionbot;Buy order # 1009: 2k wFF Heard: 499.99mn from mats. Ending: 2018-12-07 06:34:14.465343 UTC (83 hours 37 mins)
1878216;1543906563;mircea_popescu;frankly stated this is patent idiocy, the decision of whether eg driving on right or on left can not possibly come AFTER one has decided whether they want to go out to pub or disco.
1878217;1543906593;mircea_popescu;so no, there's no such thing as "i want mysql and he wants postgres" possible, there has to be an "use this db system for these reasons" much further upstream.
1878218;1543906636;mircea_popescu;this doesn't jive with the current situation, true, but it's in the sense of "healthy domestic relationships do not jive with usg.familycourt nonsense" / "good health dun work with cancer cells present" and so on.
1878219;1543906766;mircea_popescu;we're stuck with paper bridges between pantsuit alt-reality and the construction of republican sanity, which have to be expensively (if temporarily) maintained. the management of the leaking insanity will be a major function of the lordship and overal brain sink going forward, because obviously a bevy of "patch-this-for-that" could at least in principle overburden V conceptually to the point of failure.
1878220;1543906893;mircea_popescu;(if at every node there's multiple tree splits, "here's logbot with mysql, here's logbot with postgres, here's logbot with flatfile, then there's ircbot with mysql, ircbot with..." and so on, the point of even having V is lost, the expense of maintaining the chaos rapidly exceeds the benefits of not living in chaos, and we're right back at "only way to do versioning is github". because yes, for idiots, the sort of disorganise
1878221;1543906893;mircea_popescu;d minds that produce the sort of crap one finds on github, indeed github's the necessary manner and only way.)
1878222;1543907136;mircea_popescu;that said, yes there's evidently a mysql-vs-postrgres holy war in the brewing here. but i don't think that boil's baked enough for lancing just yet.
1878223;1543907363;mircea_popescu;sad fact of the matter is, mysql works extremely well for one edge of what we do (witness http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-15#1872279 ) while postgres works extremely well for another edge of what we do (witness http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-13#1861669 ).
1878224;1543907363;a111;Logged on 2018-11-15 02:09 BingoBoingo: On the plus size, I did learn that using MyISAM instead of Innodb actual RAM available on the Rockchip for not MySQL
1878225;1543907363;a111;Logged on 2018-10-13 03:25 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i used a 'trigraph' index, they're O(~n log n) , if yer interested.
1878226;1543907395;mircea_popescu;i suspect some work on trying mp-wp in a postgres environment would be quite beneficial at this juncture, even.
1878227;1543907432;mircea_popescu;even though, of course, alf will just want to bake own db.
1878228;1543907473;mircea_popescu;not avoidable task anyway, we're stuck pretty much writing a fs anyway, eventually. however, the former is how we build to the latter, so.
1878229;1543908172;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-04#1878206 << awareness of the letter ʃ / esh would be a great boon, considering it's causing the majority of transliteration errors.
1878230;1543908172;a111;Logged on 2018-12-04 00:58 asciilifeform: i dun expect these will ever be OCR'd, hand-typesetted-cum-diagrams newtonola is possibly a bridge too far for ocr.
1878231;1543908227;mircea_popescu;(kinda interesting thing, too -- getting rid of the long s type happened in the middle of that century, and people seem to have regarded it as a sort of http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-06#912088 )
1878232;1543908227;a111;Logged on 2014-11-06 01:48 asciilifeform: there's also a school of thought where 'notation is worth 80 iq points' and roman numerals are deservingly gone from mathematics
1878233;1543908298;trinque;spyked: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/E7cUE/?raw=true << feedz
1878234;1543932926;mircea_popescu;lobbes : "<auctionbot> B#1009 O=500mn LB=499.99mn E=2018-12-07 06:34:14.465343 (78h34) >>> 2k wFF <auctionbot> --- end of auction list, 499.99mn total bids ---" << wtf did you do!
1878235;1543932971;mircea_popescu;o shit, it's not him, it's me, is it. this is one of those reverse auctions, it makes sense for lb to go under o, it's not javascriptmaths.
1878236;1543936305;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-04#1878217 << observe that the nominal idea behind sql -- 'pluggable, standardized db' -- has failed. sorta like 'unix philosophy'.
1878237;1543936305;a111;Logged on 2018-12-04 06:56 mircea_popescu: so no, there's no such thing as "i want mysql and he wants postgres" possible, there has to be an "use this db system for these reasons" much further upstream.
1878238;1543936375;asciilifeform;( and yes it is possible to write certain proggies such that they work with 'any sql db' -- sort how it is also possible to write a http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-27#1875332 . but in the general case -- failed )
1878239;1543936375;a111;Logged on 2018-11-27 18:40 asciilifeform: phf: interestingly, http://www.loper-os.org/?cat=51 is example of useful (if you will) proggy written 100% in standard cl
1878240;1543936474;mircea_popescu;it's not exactly clear to me yet what the situation is. it's altogether possible postgres may be rescuable through a process similar to how "peculiar linux candidate packaging sterilized into cuntoo".
1878241;1543936496;mircea_popescu;it's also possible that we simply end up gutting ye olde lamp stack, replacing the dna and keeping the capsid.
1878242;1543936510;mircea_popescu;or other things. this pit will be open for years.
1878243;1543936526;asciilifeform;it's a pretty deep pit.
1878244;1543936546;mircea_popescu;lamp was, in strict historical terms, the ~only~ linux success.
1878245;1543936559;asciilifeform;for the 'cockroaches after ww3' def of success.
1878246;1543936574;mircea_popescu;all other "technology" wank, from wikipedia to social media to what have you, "anti-nonfree-internet civil society movement" rests on it and naught else.
1878247;1543936612;asciilifeform;aha, but typically features http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-19#1615434
1878248;1543936612;a111;Logged on 2017-02-19 03:54 asciilifeform: (iirc we had a thread where i described how corporate ameritards, if given a problem like phuctor, would happily soak up a few $mil and megawatt of iron)
1878249;1543936625;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, i'm not arguing correctness, i'm arguing environment fitness. much like "man is the ~only~ biology success". not intended to mean man's a defensible design.
1878250;1543936646;asciilifeform;it's a 'success' in exactly same way as x86.
1878251;1543936662;*;asciilifeform brb,teatime
1878252;1543939033;asciilifeform;wb Mocky !
1878253;1543939077;Mocky;thx asciilifeform
1878254;1543939089;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-04#1878229 << i could be the only one, but the old-school 'integral sign' s never bothered me. devil knows , there's even worse fonts on the web-o'shit today
1878255;1543939089;a111;Logged on 2018-12-04 07:22 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-04#1878206 << awareness of the letter ʃ / esh would be a great boon, considering it's causing the majority of transliteration errors.
1878256;1543939253;asciilifeform;Mocky: how goes the salt mine search ?
1878257;1543939379;Mocky;It's coming along, I'm toughening up. I have a couple dozen new recruiter emails this morning and I only want vodka before I start answering and not hollow point so progress!
1878258;1543939561;Mocky;Expecting to get phone interviews with labcorp and lexis nexis scheduled soon, along with a bunch of unknowns
1878259;1543939707;Mocky;I feel lost tho, 2 days behind in the logs, no idea what's going on :D
1878260;1543939881;Mocky;damn, 3 days actually. I think I lost a day somewhere
1878261;1543940545;Mocky;also i still need to finish baking these last 7 Qatar blog posts I wrote up
1878262;1543940707;asciilifeform;in other lulz, asciilifeform's 35th today
1878263;1543940725;Mocky;happy birthday!
1878264;1543940728;asciilifeform;ty Mocky
1878265;1543940731;asciilifeform;( oblig : http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-30#1876229 )
1878266;1543940731;a111;Logged on 2018-11-30 02:58 zx2c4: haha, was just curious. i presume you're ancient
1878267;1543940864;Mocky;enjoy it, 35 is a man's prime. I ought to know, I'm in my second decade of being 35!
1878268;1543940893;asciilifeform;lol i thought 25 was prime
1878269;1543940949;Mocky;hell no, 25yo boy has a donkey in his head that won't stop kicking
1878270;1543941567;BingoBoingo;Feliz cumpleaños a alf!
1878271;1543941573;asciilifeform;ty BingoBoingo .
1878272;1543941717;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-04#1878219 << I will say over the past couple weeks the time spent log re-reading recent logs has had to go up
1878273;1543941717;a111;Logged on 2018-12-04 06:59 mircea_popescu: we're stuck with paper bridges between pantsuit alt-reality and the construction of republican sanity, which have to be expensively (if temporarily) maintained. the management of the leaking insanity will be a major function of the lordship and overal brain sink going forward, because obviously a bevy of "patch-this-for-that" could at least in principle overburden V conceptually to the point of failure.
1878274;1543941880;asciilifeform;speaking of oldl0gz, re: the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-04#1878220 thing , http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-18#1851362 , http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-19#1873687
1878275;1543941880;a111;Logged on 2018-12-04 07:01 mircea_popescu: (if at every node there's multiple tree splits, "here's logbot with mysql, here's logbot with postgres, here's logbot with flatfile, then there's ircbot with mysql, ircbot with..." and so on, the point of even having V is lost, the expense of maintaining the chaos rapidly exceeds the benefits of not living in chaos, and we're right back at "only way to do versioning is github". because yes, for idiots, the sort of disorganise
1878276;1543941880;a111;Logged on 2018-09-18 18:22 asciilifeform: this is the other thing, 'changes are expensive' promote imho a sane view of software, where you actually try to perma-stabilize yer proggy, rather than to keep up the classic 'open sores' eternal cauldron of bubbling liquishit
1878277;1543941880;a111;Logged on 2018-11-19 23:11 asciilifeform: the fact that it feels to noobs like 'unnatural acrobatics' is an artifact of writer suddenly having to pay that actual cost of the complexity inflicted on reader. and yes folx whined, just like in ex-ussr folx whined when they started having to pay for mains current .
1878278;1543941926;asciilifeform;as often is the case, the answr to 'doctor, it hurts when i do that' is 'don't do that'
1878279;1543942261;asciilifeform;also must add that, on a machine having the http://www.loper-os.org/?p=231 property, 99+% of the use cases for 'db' disappear
1878280;1543942295;asciilifeform;(i.e. you use whatever data structure you like in memory, and it gets 'persisted' to nonvolatile storage as part of sane iron functioning)
1878281;1543942372;asciilifeform;~if~ yer pushing the very limits of what's physically possible on your iron, as in e.g. phuctor -- THEN is the time to massage/hyperoptimize. not otherwise.
1878282;1543942460;asciilifeform;in almost all extant proggies, 'db' and 'filesystem' are ~both~ 'tv rafts' ( http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-18#1524864 )
1878283;1543942460;a111;Logged on 2016-08-18 22:32 asciilifeform: 'The situation is somewhat akin to a retarded girlfriend trying to flood your apartment, that not only opens all the faucets and stops all the drains, but also takes the "extremely clever" measure of puncturing the water pipes, so she can then preciously inform you that "turning off the faucets won't help" and you must work with her to somehow create a raft out of your widescreen TV so as to navigate the marshy terrain that used to b
1878284;1543942578;asciilifeform;i.e. ugly hacks around the idiocies of the machine arch, where ram is 1) laughably small 2) dies when power cut 3) poorly impedance-matched with persistent storage 4) persisted 'in software' rather than as reliable function of the iron, resulting in (2)
1878285;1543943372;asciilifeform;!Q later tell phf i am considering to actually buy the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877988 artifact ; cuz i've come to the conclusion that http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-28#1875722 experiment pretty much requires access to a working unit. otherwise asciilifeform risks a repeat of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-11#1624964 nonsense
1878286;1543943372;a111;Logged on 2018-12-03 16:48 asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf loox like dks is selling another! 'ivory' on lulzbay >> https://archive.is/Bkm8E
1878287;1543943372;a111;Logged on 2018-11-28 16:26 phf: asciilifeform: before you agree to a decap, give me some more time to get you the docs, maybe they'll be enough to get things going. i'd hate to lose an ivory to get some pretty but useless pictures, i'd rather it fry on a breadboard in the process of directed discovery
1878288;1543943372;a111;Logged on 2017-03-11 00:14 asciilifeform: phf, incidentally, do you know that i blew MONTHS, if you add it up, possibly most of a year of life, sawing open 'snap4' genera in ida ?
1878289;1543943373;lobbesbot;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1878290;1543943458;asciilifeform;sadly they aint getting any cheaper..
1878291;1543943871;asciilifeform;pretty painful proposition, to pick up a $5k board simply to read off the GALs and xray the pcb. but unless somebody has one to lend for the purpose, i dun see how that dig will ever move beyond 'i have these here 2 ic's' without access to orig ivory pcb.
1878292;1543944031;asciilifeform;and hah, loox like dks is also selling a https://www.ebay.com/itm/Symbolics-XL401-lisp-workstation-with-Genera-8-3/113419020606 ( phf-style machine ) nao . it is not however fit for the experiment, much moar complex board ( given as it's a standalone box )
1878293;1543944298;asciilifeform;'ivory' board, however ( http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-28#1875835 ) is moar or less exactly the correct item, it's a minimal set of support logic for the chip, and piggybacks on ancient 1980s crapple ( box that's been reversed nine ways to pluto and 100% emulatable today ) for i/o
1878294;1543944298;a111;Logged on 2018-11-28 19:41 asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf i did finally turn up a high-res (enuff to read the ic labels) shot of ivory2; http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ivory2.jpg << mirrored.
1878295;1543944331;asciilifeform;and so happens that i've dug up the src for the supporting proggy that talked to it, 5 or so yrs ago
1878296;1543944851;asciilifeform;currently i see the chance that somebody will lend asciilifeform a unit for 'hey lemme pull and waltz the GALs and i'ma give it back to you, will try not to zap it' as pretty slim.
1878297;1543945039;asciilifeform;( prolly oughta extend http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-04#1878295 with : 'it's on the piratebay iso' , lest anyone mutter 'whisperers' )
1878298;1543945039;a111;Logged on 2018-12-04 17:25 asciilifeform: and so happens that i've dug up the src for the supporting proggy that talked to it, 5 or so yrs ago
1878299;1543945080;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile in the local language: https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/cuando-concha-dejo-de-ser-un-pan-dulce-y-se-convirtio-en-una-mala-palabra-2018124102320
1878300;1543945113;asciilifeform;lol BingoBoingo , remember when 'cock' was a bird ?
1878301;1543945142;BingoBoingo;And now cockfights are porn
1878302;1543945311;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: incidentally, in world of ru prison, even worse , 'петух' (cock [bird]) came to refer to d00d who's been lowered into pederasty, resulting in even mention of having at one point eaten chicken being quasi-taboo
1878303;1543945333;BingoBoingo;AHA
1878304;1543945838;asciilifeform;in other noose, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877390 appears to work 100%, no turds in modqueue, fullstop
1878305;1543945838;a111;Logged on 2018-12-01 20:04 asciilifeform enhanced the spam trap a little bit
1878306;1543945904;asciilifeform;( https://archive.is/LvDKk#selection-8017.0-8012.15 << subj )
1878307;1543945984;asciilifeform;what it loox like, is that the derps were willing to make N numeric guesses for q#1, and that occasionally fired. but for q#2, none
1878308;1543952587;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-04#1878233 <-- ty trinque! processing them atm and will notify you when feedbot is ready to fire up
1878309;1543952587;a111;Logged on 2018-12-04 07:24 trinque: spyked: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/E7cUE/?raw=true << feedz
1878310;1543952978;trinque;sounds good
1878311;1543953519;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in entomology dept, bukovsky ( http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-02#1877898 ) on 'coke machine' >> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/qSL5l/?raw=true
1878312;1543953519;a111;Logged on 2018-12-02 20:01 asciilifeform raged. hence prepared microscope slide with the thing in formaldehyde, for if anyone ever walks in bukovsky to link..
1878313;1543953591;asciilifeform;'The story was very typical. The famous Roifman who was at the center of the first of the “textile trials” also kept his mouth shut, so that not even the snoopers could talk him round.  Then he was summoned to see Semichastny, head of the KGB, and Malyarov, the Deputy Public  Prosecutor, who gave him their sincere Party word that he wouldn’t be shot if he gave up his  riches. Roifman believed them, handed in his valuables—and
1878314;1543953591;asciilifeform; was shot. There were many ridiculous aspects to this form of bargaining. Underground millionaires are reluctant to part with their accumulated riches, but they don’t want to lose their lives either, so they start giving up their gold bit by bit, swearing each time that this installment is the last. But the investigators and the snoopers are perfectly well aware that there is more to come, and they keep up the pressure. “Listen,
1878315;1543953592;asciilifeform;” they tell him, “the October holidays will soon be here, the anniversary of the Revolution. Give us a bit more for the anniversary and they’ll probably lop a couple more years off.” So he hands in his gold in installments—some for November 7, some for May 1, then for Constitution Day, and maybe even for March 8 (Women’s Day). The investigator gets his bonuses, the snoopers early release, and the millionaire—a bullet.'
1878316;1543954713;spyked;trinque, done. standing by to launch bot, on your signal.
1878317;1543955220;trinque;spyked: stopped the service on my end
1878318;1543955426;spyked;all done. all feeds should be now delivered from the feedbot end. if someone doesn't get theirs delivered, pl0x to poke me.
1878319;1543955484;spyked;next step will be to get this + some of the code it depends on (namely, xml+rss parsers) published.
1878320;1543955518;mircea_popescu;sweet.
1878321;1543955729;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1878058 << what i thought also.
1878322;1543955729;a111;Logged on 2018-12-03 22:24 bvt: lobbes: i am also interested in learning which gnat version/type and vtools leaf was used, and seeing strace output; i thought this error can happen only on adacore gnat >=2017 with a strict libc (which rejects 3-character template)
1878323;1543955811;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1878081 << which new voice model is this then ?
1878324;1543955811;a111;Logged on 2018-12-03 23:30 lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1878032 << I actually ended up getting a logbot_command_router-based self-voicing thing working (auctionbot uses it), but it uses the interface-with-gpg method instead of the stash-of-OTP method, and considering we may be moving to a new voice model anyways I did not publish (http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-17#1851087)
1878325;1543955902;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-04#1878262 << o hey, happy bday.
1878326;1543955902;a111;Logged on 2018-12-04 16:25 asciilifeform: in other lulz, asciilifeform's 35th today
1878327;1543955907;asciilifeform;ty mircea_popescu !
1878328;1543955934;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-04#1878268 << that's mp's fetlife female cutoff lol. NOT same thing at all.
1878329;1543955934;a111;Logged on 2018-12-04 16:28 asciilifeform: lol i thought 25 was prime
1878330;1543956054;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-04#1878282 << from prime principles this view is quite defensible.
1878331;1543956054;a111;Logged on 2018-12-04 16:54 asciilifeform: in almost all extant proggies, 'db' and 'filesystem' are ~both~ 'tv rafts' ( http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-18#1524864 )
1878332;1543956109;asciilifeform;aha, writing files / db queries really can be seen as elaborate ritual where you sacrifice to moloch and beg the iron to prettypleeez not lose yer bits when cord pulled
1878333;1543956184;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-04#1878296 << i don't expect that's gonna happen.
1878334;1543956184;a111;Logged on 2018-12-04 17:34 asciilifeform: currently i see the chance that somebody will lend asciilifeform a unit for 'hey lemme pull and waltz the GALs and i'ma give it back to you, will try not to zap it' as pretty slim.
1878335;1543956193;asciilifeform;verily
1878336;1543956217;asciilifeform;( i dun even know anybody who ~has~ 1 )
1878337;1543956601;asciilifeform;over the yrs, i've written to a number of folx who have the thing, some 'collectors' , some 'museums' that keep the thing under glass and away from the gold recycling people. but 0 replies. ( tbf, wot problem, they can't readily distinguish asciilifeform from gold recyclers etc )
1878338;1543956684;*;asciilifeform not terribly astonished that museum doesn't bother to reply to 'hey whydontcha lemme borrow your kohinoor diamond for a spell'
1878339;1543957222;asciilifeform;( oblig vintage trilema : http://trilema.com/2013/me-aged-5/ )
1878340;1543957720;mircea_popescu;heh
1878341;1543958401;diana_coman;happy birthday asciilifeform !
1878342;1543958545;asciilifeform;ty diana_coman !
1878343;1543958595;*;asciilifeform brb,teatime
1878344;1543958669;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/12/denmark-working-hard-to-move-criminal-migrants-out-of-denmark/ << Qntra -- Denmark Working Hard To Move Criminal Migrants Out Of Denmark
1878345;1543961899;asciilifeform;'Negotiations ongoing regarding outsourcing to prison in Lithuania' << bahahaha loox like the nato gulag in ro must be full nao
1878346;1543961957;asciilifeform;'The prison won’t have to measure up to Danish standards either. “I’m sure they [the criminals] would rather serve in a Danish prison, but there needs to be room for many others,” Preben Bang Henriksen, the spokesperson for Venstre party on judicial issues, told DR Nyheder.' << mega-outsource biz idea!11
1878347;1543961978;asciilifeform;( iirc in 1990s ru actually suggested this biz model to eu, but for some mysterious reason the latter balked )
1878348;1543962192;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Well, in 1990's Merkel hadn't flooded the EU yet with Petrus-kin
1878349;1543968397;mircea_popescu;nah, just expensive.
1878350;1543968461;asciilifeform;convenient, that there aint a solzhenitsin writing a 'gitmo archipelag'
1878351;1543968482;mircea_popescu;who's left in the reich that can write ?
1878352;1543968490;asciilifeform;not an alt-pantsuit alt-stockholm to give'im an obummernobel
1878353;1543968495;asciilifeform;*nor
1878354;1543968503;mircea_popescu;witness http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-04#1878186 ; morons can't even fucking COPY worth a shit anymore.
1878355;1543968503;a111;Logged on 2018-12-04 00:35 asciilifeform: lol terrifyingly rotten ocr
1878356;1543968509;mircea_popescu;worse performance than 1018.
1878357;1543972070;mod6;asciilifeform: hey, happy birthday!
1878358;1543972074;asciilifeform;ty mod6
1878359;1543972080;mod6;hanbot: glad to hear you're on the mend.
1878360;1543972155;mod6;just stopped by for some salutations.
1878361;1543972158;*;mod6 bbl, meat
1878362;1543972783;lobbes;salutations mod6 (and belated happy bday asciilifeform / happy recovery hanbot)
1878363;1543972789;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-04#1878321 << ftr this was indeed an adacore gnat >=2017 (see thread), though I'm not sure about the libc.
1878364;1543972789;a111;Logged on 2018-12-04 20:35 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1878058 << what i thought also.
1878365;1543972798;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-04#1878323 << y'know, the thread link was in the line you quoted :D. but anyways, here's the top of that thread >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-17#1850999
1878366;1543972798;a111;Logged on 2018-12-04 20:36 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1878081 << which new voice model is this then ?
1878367;1543972798;a111;Logged on 2018-09-17 19:38 mircea_popescu: trinque tbh i was thinking of revising the voice model altogether, in favour of a voice-or-kick model.
1878368;1543972826;lobbes;unrelatedly mircea_popescu do you care if spyked's rss bot takes over in #eulora? lobbesbot's RSS-tron has always been buggy and is 100% heathen atm. Imo makes sense to just transition to spyked if he is okay with it
1878369;1543974602;phf;asciilifeform: happy birthday!
1878370;1543974603;lobbesbot;phf: Sent 6 days, 6 hours, and 9 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> i did finally turn up a high-res (enuff to read the ic labels) shot of ivory2; http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ivory2.jpg << mirrored.
1878371;1543974604;lobbesbot;phf: Sent 6 days, 6 hours, and 6 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> turns out i was wrong re the rom, the rom-shaped object is actually a 1980s 'programmable event timer' thingie, am2971adc
1878372;1543974605;lobbesbot;phf: Sent 1 day, 9 hours, and 1 minute ago: <asciilifeform> loox like dks is selling another! 'ivory' on lulzbay >> https://archive.is/Bkm8E
1878373;1543974606;lobbesbot;phf: Sent 8 hours and 40 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> i am considering to actually buy the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877988 artifact ; cuz i've come to the conclusion that http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-28#1875722 experiment pretty much requires access to a working unit. otherwise asciilifeform risks a repeat of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-11#1624964 nonsense
1878374;1543974612;phf;jeez
1878375;1543974617;asciilifeform;ty , phf , lobbes , et al
1878376;1543974669;phf;also i'm alive and on the other end, will soon return to regular scheduled programming
1878377;1543974709;asciilifeform;congrats phf
1878378;1543974712;asciilifeform;moscow flat ?
1878379;1543974736;phf;signing the lease today
1878380;1543974742;asciilifeform;a++
1878381;1543974744;*;asciilifeform envious
1878382;1543974815;phf;it's all about that escape velocity
1878383;1543974984;phf;re ivory i think we had a thread about macivory being much easier to reverse, since it's all isolated, but you will still have to spend time (re?)learning the gnarly details of apple bus, and whatever adhoc protocol is used to communicate with host. going by an xl might not be a worse option
1878384;1543975039;asciilifeform;phf: funnily enuff, i did the gnarl of the bus already, during (aborted) proj for dks where he asked 'make me a replacement crapple mem expander board for nubus'
1878385;1543975052;phf;aaah
1878386;1543975052;asciilifeform;back in '10
1878387;1543975069;phf;that explains why he remembers you by name
1878388;1543975074;asciilifeform;he did?!
1878389;1543975117;asciilifeform;lemme guess, 'that d00d who was gonna make mem board but returned nil' ? lol
1878390;1543975212;asciilifeform;tho i suppose could also be cuz asciilifeform successfully persuaded the salt mine he toiled in at the time, to buy alpha+genera, paying dks's rent for month or 2
1878391;1543975240;phf;it's more of a mental rolodex of 5 guys who are not in their 70s who are or were actively working with anything at all symbolics. he also knows the ones in their 70s, but those, except for reiner joswig, rarely come up, since they are, at this point, the kind of people who boot their symbolics, if they still have one, once in 5 years to remember the glory days
1878392;1543975357;asciilifeform;i have vaguely positive memory of the fella, minus the part where he answr'd 100% of asciilifeform's attempts to buy sumthing moar than iron, in same way as mcdonalds clerk might react to attempt to buy the mcdonalds
1878393;1543975391;asciilifeform;chances are, i was Doing It Wrong, but still dun have a concrete idea of exactly how.
1878394;1543975409;asciilifeform;'you can get all the sandwich you brought the green for, but 0 recipe'
1878395;1543975444;asciilifeform;it was like trying to buy cocacola recipe from coke vending machine.
1878396;1543975455;asciilifeform;( but i'll stop with the analogy before i ruin errybody's appetite )
1878397;1543975461;phf;heh, i like that last analogy
1878398;1543975497;asciilifeform;( see also e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1863774 )
1878399;1543975497;a111;Logged on 2018-10-19 01:04 asciilifeform: amberglint: when i went to his house 10y ago, offered to him to make fpga-ized 'ivory' , 'pro bono', if he'd only cough up with what. answr was approx 'can't , unless my master permits, and he wouldn't'
1878400;1543975619;asciilifeform;phf: re adhoc protocol, it's laid out pretty well, surprisingly, in genera/distribution/sys/embedding/macivory/interface-support ( on the magic iso )
1878401;1543975650;asciilifeform;how to reset board, throw in boot rom ( it dun have own rom ) , start/stop cpu , peek/poke, etc
1878402;1543975658;phf;asciilifeform: ah ty, i was mostly making a "bright side" argument, since we do have an xl1201
1878403;1543975688;asciilifeform;pretty sure there's custom bolix ic other than ivory in xl
1878404;1543975704;asciilifeform;which multiplies the cost of the effort to the point of utter riotousness
1878405;1543975738;asciilifeform;( and even if not, coupla dozen times moar GALs and misc. period exotica )
1878406;1543975761;phf;re dks and fpga, i'm also not sure that he has enough data, or if he even knows if he has enough, or if the "master" in question has enough. i'm starting to suspect that the reason nothing's moving forward is because it's an intellectual bezel, a cat that's alive only until observed
1878407;1543975788;asciilifeform;( whereas i'm pretty sure that i have datashit for erry single item on ivory3 board other than the cpu itself )
1878408;1543975828;phf;i regret not buying a macivory at discount when i had a chance, it also would've been easy to take to russia with me
1878409;1543975855;asciilifeform;they're 'portable', yes, in the sense that there's no particular need to transport the crapple 'quadra', can always get from junkyard on-site
1878410;1543975917;asciilifeform;phf: did you actually pack that xl ?! thing weighs, what, 50kg?
1878411;1543975962;phf;nah, left it at the office. at least there's enough wiring in place to do remote x11 (though i haven't tried yet, have people in place to flip switches, but not necessarily to reseat the boards)
1878412;1543975986;phf;i was thinking though of moving it out of the ridiculous steel enclosure, that might make it a touch more transportable
1878413;1543976016;asciilifeform;i like how they used to make workstation case from 5mm steel
1878414;1543976028;asciilifeform;always looked for , but never found, pc chassis like that.
1878415;1543976062;asciilifeform;'if piano falls, yer $100k box has a chance', i suppose the thinking went
1878416;1543976163;mircea_popescu;lobbes ah damn, yeah, right you are.
1878417;1543976184;asciilifeform;phf: at the risk of repeating , i dun really buy the 'they lost errything' hypothesis. e.g. as late as '98, the docs req'd to bake the alpha-based emulator, evidently existed
1878418;1543976198;asciilifeform;~somebody~ is sitting on it.
1878419;1543976210;mircea_popescu;lobbes i see no problem whatsoever with rssbot taking over eulora.
1878420;1543976387;phf;asciilifeform: a lot of things happened since 98 though, that predates a couple of particularly gnaly fire sales. also alpha based emulation is "easy" to do from first principles for an experienced symbolics professional, you need an instruction list, some understanding of the architecture and a the sources for the os.
1878421;1543976425;phf;you have hobbyists building emulators with much less to go by
1878422;1543976475;asciilifeform;phf: the 'understanding of the arch' is the sticking point
1878423;1543976488;asciilifeform;it's documented (aside from the gibblets seen in the logs) exactly nowhere.
1878424;1543976492;phf;right, which is where somebody like kalman come in
1878425;1543976681;phf;the hypothesis though is not "they lost everything", it's rather that they all have a handful of what they were told were gold chests by people who can actually recognize gold. when poking at contents stuff seems vaguely gold like, so they hold to it hoping to cash it in, never really "having time" to go to an appraiser.
1878426;1543976715;phf;it's possible that one of those boxes actually have gold in it, but the handful that i opened had _mostly_ garbage
1878427;1543976781;asciilifeform;i.e. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-16#1873092 ?
1878428;1543976781;a111;Logged on 2018-11-16 22:50 asciilifeform: there's also the 'is it really ~the~ tapes' aspect. as in the old thing with the gold bars that nobody wants to drill for tungsten. consider for instance how nikola tesla was able to live in the waldorf for years, with the loan collateral being a trunk containing 'great invention of much dangerous power'. when died, turned out to contain a whetstone bridge.
1878429;1543976792;phf;i concede that there might be a faint within a faint, but i can't Munchhausen my way out of that one: i kind of have to assume that my perception of reality somewhat corresponds to reality, rather than a bunch of people playing elaborate games with me
1878430;1543976809;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-05#1878425 << tbh i find this rather persuasive.
1878431;1543976809;a111;Logged on 2018-12-05 02:24 phf: the hypothesis though is not "they lost everything", it's rather that they all have a handful of what they were told were gold chests by people who can actually recognize gold. when poking at contents stuff seems vaguely gold like, so they hold to it hoping to cash it in, never really "having time" to go to an appraiser.
1878432;1543976818;mircea_popescu;it's also precisely how tech gets lost.
1878433;1543976884;asciilifeform;phf, mircea_popescu : whether orig src/ns masks/etc lost or not, i dun expect ever to ~see~'em. hence 'reverse with available iron' being the only approach that has chance of working.
1878434;1543976922;mircea_popescu;scholar-pre-gap : "so what if rat ate cable, trivial to replace" ; custodian : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-02#1710182 ; scholar-post-gap : "holy shit wtf!!"
1878435;1543976922;a111;Logged on 2017-09-02 21:26 mircea_popescu: now this man... he had a set of 9V lightbulbs. and so as any good respectable citizen i sat down with the dead man's dragon pile, to TEST everythiung I got. yes ?
1878436;1543976960;mircea_popescu;aaanyway. will go for ride, bbl.
1878437;1543977251;*;asciilifeform pictures mircea_popescu revving up zundapp with mg sidecar
1878438;1543977285;asciilifeform;i suspect that cr is a++ zundapp country
1878439;1543977416;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/YgtWB << subj, in its natural state
1878440;1543978240;*;asciilifeform also bbl.
1878441;1543982128;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-05#1878419 << roger that. spyked: if you're cool with taking over #eulora rss let me know and we can work out a transition
1878442;1543982128;a111;Logged on 2018-12-05 02:16 mircea_popescu: lobbes i see no problem whatsoever with rssbot taking over eulora.
1878443;1543983731;mircea_popescu;nah. they don't even really have vespas here. just shitty toyotas
1878444;1543988985;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: data entry of btc transactions and usd transactions is complete; data entry for prepaid customers and monthly paying customers is quite nearly so. BingoBoingo: please dig through notes and break customer nrCgvFMWCqpO's october payment into one for the rockchip and another for the shell. since they have different time horizons, they need separate subscriptions. asciilifeform: next thing i do is
1878445;1543988986;ben_vulpes;write the calculator of change in customer equity account for a given month (which is the biggest manual backbreaker); after that i will do depreciation on the tangibles by hand, update assets and liabilities tables.
1878446;1543989022;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: logs suggest we have 2 outstanding wires; i don't suppose either have cleared yet, have they?
1878447;1543989101;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: please also stand up a postgres somewhere convenient for me to import and continue to work on this spreadsheet; this is ready for you to do your own data entry on fiat/btc incoming/outgoing
1878448;1543990062;ben_vulpes;ah no, i missed log lines. both cleared?
1878449;1543991561;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-04#1878282 << still quite a bit of value in sqlthings in managing fungible programmers. in the same way that common lisp fails at making cogs, mmmapped custom $whatever can be marvelously conservative of time and space, fit entirely in head, and also be anti-cog.
1878450;1543991561;a111;Logged on 2018-12-04 16:54 asciilifeform: in almost all extant proggies, 'db' and 'filesystem' are ~both~ 'tv rafts' ( http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-18#1524864 )
1878451;1543991812;ben_vulpes;that postgres can build an index concurrently under load was pretty valuable just today, and nobody over here had to write it.
1878452;1544015428;mircea_popescu; break customer nrCgvFMWCqpO's october payment << this is so cool.
1878453;1544015499;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes he said yest they cleared, to save you the work : http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1878002
1878454;1544015499;a111;Logged on 2018-12-03 17:21 BingoBoingo: And the datacenter just sent the statement of account showing receipt of the wires
1878455;1544016020;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-05#1878451 << mysql also does this, and i recall the history too (anyone remember digg being out for a coupla days because morons hit the max count of db entries, re-defined table to use larger ints, and had to ~rebuild the index offline~ for 30+ hours ?)
1878456;1544016020;a111;Logged on 2018-12-05 06:36 ben_vulpes: that postgres can build an index concurrently under load was pretty valuable just today, and nobody over here had to write it.
1878457;1544017591;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-05#1878449 << wouldntcha rather use mechanical compilers than meat , if you could ?
1878458;1544017591;a111;Logged on 2018-12-05 06:32 ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-04#1878282 << still quite a bit of value in sqlthings in managing fungible programmers. in the same way that common lisp fails at making cogs, mmmapped custom $whatever can be marvelously conservative of time and space, fit entirely in head, and also be anti-cog.
1878459;1544017670;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-05#1878451 << this is elementarily troo of all soft, neh -- 'today i booted a dos box and i didn't have to write dos!'
1878460;1544017670;a111;Logged on 2018-12-05 06:36 ben_vulpes: that postgres can build an index concurrently under load was pretty valuable just today, and nobody over here had to write it.
1878461;1544017682;mircea_popescu;hahaha
1878462;1544017693;mircea_popescu;no, it's not. "today i tried to boot my bolix, had to re-write apple bus"
1878463;1544017708;asciilifeform;lol
1878464;1544017712;mircea_popescu;yes ? well ?
1878465;1544017739;asciilifeform;i suppose this is after rats eat the last crapple 'quadra'
1878466;1544017765;*;asciilifeform recalls a d00d who made a meagre living reading old pdp tapes for usg.nasa
1878467;1544017862;mircea_popescu;so in short, it's a property of good soft. like dos. it is eminently not a property of software in generas, witness http://trilema.com/2017/what-are-you-being-distracted-from/#selection-113.0-143.44
1878468;1544018335;mircea_popescu;in general* not in generas lol.
1878469;1544020250;asciilifeform;in other noose, usg proclaims 'national day of mourning' for dead bush I
1878470;1544020671;mircea_popescu;what, they like him now ?
1878471;1544020676;asciilifeform;nfi
1878472;1544020778;asciilifeform;there's prolly ~some~ awareness that d00d presided over the last days of 'vhs usa'
1878473;1544020911;asciilifeform;upstack: 'software stays wrote once written' was pretty much universal before web crapola. (e.g. nintendo games from 1980s, still run today same as when published)
1878474;1544020936;mircea_popescu;aha.
1878475;1544021380;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-05#1878457 << i would dearly love a compiler i could tell "please figure out how we X and write a one-pager for review", but this stinks of sv aiwilldoeverythingism
1878476;1544021380;a111;Logged on 2018-12-05 13:46 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-05#1878449 << wouldntcha rather use mechanical compilers than meat , if you could ?
1878477;1544021417;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: the solution to that doesn't look like 'robot who writes and explains X'. it looks like 'x, what x, we don't need any such x'
1878478;1544021421;asciilifeform;!#s best machine no machine
1878479;1544021422;a111;12 results for "best machine no machine", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=best%20machine%20no%20machine
1878480;1544021425;asciilifeform;^ see also.
1878481;1544021633;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: I'll get to reading docs and pick a place to stand it up
1878482;1544021768;ben_vulpes;and yet steam engine needs a governor asciilifeform; factories gotta crank, ben_vulpeses gotta shepherd cows through funnels.
1878483;1544021822;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: observe , factories cranked 9000x moar back when automation was a set of relays in ladderlogic.
1878484;1544021855;asciilifeform;( relays, behold, can rust contacts, but neither envirusate nor crash randomly )
1878485;1544021874;asciilifeform;and dun need 'updates'
1878486;1544021960;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i'm not saying that i *like* this world, but that i'm going to eke fortune i can with the tools and men at hand.
1878487;1544021961;asciilifeform;the particulars of ben_vulpes's dairy farm are between him and odin, 'whose cow might moo but mine oughta hush', asciilifeform worx on winblowz antiviri in saeculum...
1878488;1544021977;mircea_popescu;it works as shockingly fine predictor. hospital that didn't work had emergency room vitals "something3000", evidently run on java. hospital that did work had same item philips, evidently built for moon missions.
1878489;1544021998;mircea_popescu;it's remarkable that hundred bucks peripheral predicts hundred thousand mission.
1878490;1544022015;asciilifeform;'for the want of a nail'(tm)
1878491;1544022043;mircea_popescu;rather, "the sort of brain that thinks this is acceptable, will think so many other idiocies acceptable, anything working out will be miracle rather than technology"
1878492;1544022066;asciilifeform;( https://rutube.ru/video/a479d9873302fe4d5caa1b8cc20a715a/ << oblig )
1878493;1544022192;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: .008 for shared hosting (4 months) and 0.03419973 for the Rockchip (3 month), was done that way to synchronize their expirations for the end of January
1878494;1544022277;*;asciilifeform likes marshak's translation 9000x better than the orig. 'Не было гвоздя -Подкова Пропала. / Не было подковы - Лошадь Захромала./ Лошадь захромала - Командир Убит./ Конница разбита -- Армия Бежит. / Враг вступает в город,/ Пленных не щадя, / Оттого, что в кузнице / Не было
1878495;1544022373;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu do you know a ro version of this classic ?
1878496;1544022377;ben_vulpes;i long ago gave up on the notion that i'd be working on anything approaching techne in american corpistan; but to wail about it instead of ekeing some amount of capital out seems fruitless. lessons of Mocky and phf instructive here.
1878497;1544022431;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nah, romanians don't think like that.
1878498;1544022432;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: one's a four-month period and the other a three-, does the hosting subscription start a month before the rockchip?
1878499;1544022436;mircea_popescu;very much anti-romanian.
1878500;1544022447;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nao i'm curious, how is this
1878501;1544022468;asciilifeform;are they deeply 'gott mit uns' sorta fellas
1878502;1544022485;mircea_popescu;romanian peasant proud continuator of rome, through the byzantium method. "we've been holding eyes closed to world for 2k years, because head does not follow reality, reality follows head!"
1878503;1544022490;mircea_popescu;they're even wearing the toga, today.
1878504;1544022517;mircea_popescu;"it's not the church that has to follow the world ; it's the world that has to follow the church" catholic dictum. romanians don't need the dictum. they live it.
1878505;1544022518;asciilifeform;sounds byzantine
1878506;1544022526;mircea_popescu;it is earlier.
1878507;1544022536;asciilifeform;yea but same psychosis
1878508;1544022537;mircea_popescu;not any less stupid, mind. but earlier.
1878509;1544022569;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2010/romanul-si-comertul/#selection-99.0-103.1
1878510;1544022608;asciilifeform;nuttery
1878511;1544022896;mircea_popescu;so it is.
1878512;1544023292;asciilifeform;behold, asciilifeform's riff in eng :
1878513;1544023294;asciilifeform;'just one nail was lacking -- / and warhorse came unshod / lamely did the stallion / into battle trod / dead fell the commander/ from his limping ride / routed was the cavalry / 'flee, retreat!' they cried / foe broke through the city gates, / hear the vanquisheds' wail -- / all because the smithy / was missing just one nail.'
1878514;1544023673;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i didn't see toga in ro, but then again prolly didn't go to the right reservation.
1878515;1544023731;asciilifeform;did see folx at the bazar in trad costume, but it was ~indistinguishable from trad ukr outfit
1878516;1544023747;asciilifeform;'вышиванка'
1878517;1544023817;asciilifeform;lotsa old farts in trad ~sov~ costume tho ( wassat ? suit with jacket that was new when hruschev dethroned, oily and ragged )
1878518;1544024329;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: yes
1878519;1544024380;BingoBoingo;Shared is for October, November, December, January... RockChip for November, December, January
1878520;1544026973;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: thanks
1878521;1544027635;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/12/tumblr-announces-porn-ban-beginning-december-17th-tumblr-anti-porn-ai-already-running-wild/ << Qntra -- Tumblr Announces Porn Ban Beginning December 17th, Tumblr Anti-Porn AI Already Running Wild
1878522;1544031759;trinque;what else was the thing for?
1878523;1544032070;asciilifeform;trinque: recall, thing was owned by zombie of yahoo, which in turn was rolled up into verizon, usg's undertaker co, same as bought aol
1878524;1544032073;asciilifeform;and deeply -ev
1878525;1544032076;asciilifeform;so being shot in the head.
1878526;1544032107;asciilifeform;( why not simply close the thing -- rather than imitating demise of digg, i do not know )
1878527;1544032864;ben_vulpes;hallucinations of control over 'our kommyunity!'
1878528;1544032866;BingoBoingo;!Qlater tell ben_vulpes http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/o2j73/?raw=true << As requested
1878529;1544032867;lobbesbot;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
1878530;1544032884;ben_vulpes;ty BingoBoingo
1878531;1544032884;lobbesbot;ben_vulpes: Sent just now: <BingoBoingo> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/o2j73/?raw=true << As requested
1878532;1544033000;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://costumepopulare.ro/
1878533;1544033173;asciilifeform;aha! exactly this
1878534;1544033528;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: feel free to fire questions and instructions.
1878535;1544033557;BingoBoingo;In other news, how nice is it the USG shut itself down today for a celebration of the day I got on an airplane.
1878536;1544033582;mircea_popescu;lels
1878537;1544033605;asciilifeform;https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bushushuru << see also
1878538;1544033634;asciilifeform;( + the oblig commemorative orlol, https://archive.is/Tg33l )
1878539;1544033715;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-05#1878522 << nfi, it's like reddit announcing pompous idiocy ban.
1878540;1544033715;a111;Logged on 2018-12-05 17:42 trinque: what else was the thing for?
1878541;1544033743;mircea_popescu;w/e, they got "bought" by "investors" who are gonna lose every penny anyway, "might as well promote pantsuit ideals while office rent lasts"
1878542;1544033767;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-05#1878525 << precisely, alf has it.
1878543;1544033767;a111;Logged on 2018-12-05 17:47 asciilifeform: so being shot in the head.
1878544;1544033790;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: already lost erry penny, iirc verizon even tried to sue and 'unbuy' when remnant of yahoo was found to be publicly pwned shortly pre-sale
1878545;1544033795;asciilifeform;but nfi what happened to that
1878546;1544033804;mircea_popescu;heh.\
1878547;1544033847;mircea_popescu;aaanyway, kinda why they are corpse maggots, the "culture war" schmucktards : they ~only exist on corpses, the whole "code of conduct" / "trasnrights" / blabla is a necrosis epiphenomenon
1878548;1544033877;asciilifeform;'janitors of the forest'
1878549;1544034019;mircea_popescu;the world has grown complex ; complex enough to support colonies of clostridium perfringens organizing parades to explain how "corpse is going fine / hemolysis normal in human bodies" etc.
1878550;1544034032;mircea_popescu;"who can tell the difference" amirite, "a cell's a cell!"
1878551;1544034235;asciilifeform;incidentally, tumblr -- at least , last i knew -- was famous among user base for a very... speshul style of db engineering, where 'let's return arbitrary subset of query, or sometimes gibblets of other users' queries, depending on load'
1878552;1544034272;asciilifeform;writes silently failed erry ~third time, etc
1878553;1544034302;asciilifeform;( one might naively suppose that no one would use a thing like that -- but guess wat. )
1878554;1544034391;mircea_popescu;you mean, like google.
1878555;1544034406;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-26#1866536 ftw.
1878556;1544034406;a111;Logged on 2018-10-26 17:40 hanbot: in other still-using-google fun, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-13#1861765 << news search for bitcoin nominally yields 103M results, of which shitoogle will actually produce 290, which in turn yields ~30 non-duplicates. delayed another week i expect for spelunking.
1878557;1544034425;asciilifeform;exactly like google, except billed as a writeable blog thing somehow.
1878558;1544034430;asciilifeform;but moar or less rng
1878559;1544034733;ben_vulpes;random return of db contents sorta related to what one asked for not so readily distinguishable from ai engagement-driving recommendations. toddlers put stuff in their mouths to figure out wtf it is, news at at eleven.
1878560;1544034841;mircea_popescu;right.
1878561;1544035246;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in other lulz, here's anglopedia official sendoff on brejnev : "For Gorbachev and his adherents, Brezhnev came to personify everything that was wrong with the Soviet regime. The popularity of Gorbachev's program among Western specialists, and the interest generated by the new leader's dynamism after the boring stasis of Brezhnev's later years, precluded a reappraisal of Brezhnev's career until 2002, when a group of
1878562;1544035246;mircea_popescu;younger scholars picked up on Brezhnev's growing popularity among certain members of the Russian population. These people remembered with fondness Brezhnev's alleviation of their or their parents' poverty, a relief made all the more striking by the extreme impoverishment experienced by many in the post-Soviet era. This reassessment may appear unwarranted to those who prize political liberty above marginal increments in materi
1878563;1544035247;mircea_popescu;al consumption."
1878564;1544035633;asciilifeform;trinque: deedbot down ??
1878565;1544035716;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha, the 'stagnation' ( 'брежневский застой' ) was opposite of the chinese proverbial 'interesting times'
1878566;1544035751;mircea_popescu;eh, it's not so simple, su was doing pretty shittily economically.
1878567;1544035768;mircea_popescu;"oh let's make more steel". not much of a plan, india makes most ofg the world's steel today and nobody cares.
1878568;1544035785;asciilifeform;btw, phunphakt -- the black market folx like http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-04#1878313 , were left largely alone in stalin's time, and filled all sortsa gaps ( Officially they had to use only 'factory tailings' for raw material. but in practice were left almost entirely unmolested . ) it was hrusch who 'drank own coolaid' and started nailing'em in earnest
1878569;1544035785;a111;Logged on 2018-12-04 19:59 asciilifeform: 'The story was very typical. The famous Roifman who was at the center of the first of the “textile trials” also kept his mouth shut, so that not even the snoopers could talk him round.  Then he was summoned to see Semichastny, head of the KGB, and Malyarov, the Deputy Public  Prosecutor, who gave him their sincere Party word that he wouldn’t be shot if he gave up his  riches. Roifman believed them, handed in his valuables—and
1878570;1544035811;asciilifeform;with the predictable result.
1878571;1544035919;mircea_popescu;centralisation only goes one way.
1878572;1544036165;asciilifeform;when inca swallows, generally doesn't unswallow, aha
1878573;1544036556;asciilifeform;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/zE9Cl/?raw=true << roifman .
1878574;1544036746;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/yHrdBkn.jpg
1878575;1544036788;trinque;ty asciilifeform. did you say you figured out what the reconnect bug was with pehbot or no?
1878576;1544036797;trinque;if not it'll be near the top of my stack to investigate.
1878577;1544036898;asciilifeform;trinque: sadly i have not instrumented the thing to see why sometimes not reconnects
1878578;1544036920;asciilifeform;fwiw pehbot's stood for ~week straight nao
1878579;1544036930;asciilifeform;but erry once in a while it does fall
1878580;1544037329;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/4fMFcPq.jpg
1878581;1544038081;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile in the local rags: https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/aeronaves-militares-rusa-y-saudies-estacionaron-en-uruguay-durante-la-cumbre-del-g20-201812421955
1878582;1544040486;mircea_popescu;wtf is with the "sapiosexuals"
1878583;1544040723;asciilifeform;!#s sapiosexual
1878584;1544040723;a111;10 results for "sapiosexual", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=sapiosexual
1878585;1544040746;asciilifeform;apparently a redditism
1878586;1544040784;mircea_popescu;some ustards read foucault in translation sometime last year, decided "they want to break free of socially-constructed sexual prison", "invented more sexualities"
1878587;1544040800;mircea_popescu;this is "attracted to intelligence", notwithstanding sophia has little to do with sepia.
1878588;1544040814;mircea_popescu;also notwithstanding they can blow it out their ass, for all the diff it makes.
1878589;1544040826;asciilifeform;'let 1000 corpseflowers bloom' , or how did it go.
1878590;1544042011;ben_vulpes;typically a quiet desperate plea for more than three neurons that flash when rubbed against each other. it's rare! desirable! easier to say you want it and pray the filter works than to go out and filter.
1878591;1544042051;asciilifeform;evidently mircea_popescu Doing It Wrong!111 why filter sea water, just ask the uranium to walk into door
1878592;1544048295;l0de;holy god
1878593;1544048298;l0de;what a struggle
1878594;1544048307;l0de;yes hello
1878595;1544048308;l0de;l0de here
1878596;1544048375;danielpbarron;l0de is the host of the l0de radio hour, the show that was recently in the news for targeted printer spam
1878597;1544048399;asciilifeform;!#born l0de
1878598;1544048399;a111;2017-12-22 <l0de> ya >> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1756305
1878599;1544048410;danielpbarron;https://news.vanderbilt.edu/2018/12/03/statement-on-flyers-containing-racist-and-homophobic-language-found-on-campus-printers/
1878600;1544048476;danielpbarron;https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/printeradvertisingcom-spam-service-claims-it-can-print-anywhere/
1878601;1544048478;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: in early 2000s there were upwards of 1000 open-to-lan printers at asciilifeform's uni. but could not think of what to feed'em..
1878602;1544048532;l0de;truly
1878603;1544048538;l0de;my suggestion was
1878604;1544048541;asciilifeform;'The owner of the L0de Radio Show contacted BleepingComputer and issued this statement: "I deny any involvement in these printer scam campaigns and disavow these actions. I've taken down my YouTube channel and made my twitter account protected so as not to benefit from them and am directing visitors to a charitable organization."' << rly?!
1878605;1544048547;asciilifeform;why ??
1878606;1544048561;l0de;"THIS PRINTER NEEDS EMERGENCY SERVICE PLEASE CALL #"
1878607;1544048573;l0de;or something to that extent
1878608;1544048585;l0de;"EMERGENCY PLEASE CALL THIS NUMBER IMMEDIATELY!"
1878609;1544048591;ben_vulpes;who's the anniez character?
1878610;1544048600;danielpbarron;somoene else from l0de's channel
1878611;1544048635;l0de;how frequently do you have to re-verify your key
1878612;1544048683;danielpbarron;i've been authed for a month now i think
1878613;1544048692;danielpbarron;it lasts until you leave the channel
1878614;1544049153;l0de;nice
1878615;1544049156;l0de;so freenode dependent
1878616;1544049165;l0de;lemme save this dumb key
1878617;1544049169;BingoBoingo;Well, connection dependent
1878618;1544049196;l0de;we
1878619;1544049200;l0de;will see how ircclown does
1878620;1544050615;anniez;that was a struggle -_-
1878621;1544050620;anniez;ty for the challenge
1878622;1544050687;anniez;do you guys use keybase at all ?
1878623;1544050711;danielpbarron;!#s keybase
1878624;1544050712;a111;268 results for "keybase", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=keybase
1878625;1544050742;anniez;oh that's pretty cool
1878626;1544051030;anniez;seems majority dislike keybase
1878627;1544052176;asciilifeform;anniez: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-22#1828702 <<
1878628;1544052176;a111;Logged on 2018-06-22 14:31 asciilifeform: KimuSan^: how , precisely , does keybase differ from the key escrow db clinton tried to make mandatory ?
1878629;1544053330;anniez;asciilifeform: what's the mandatory clinton key db ?
1878630;1544053407;asciilifeform;anniez: https://www.epic.org/crypto/clipper/white_house_statement_2_94.html & elsewhere
1878631;1544053424;asciilifeform;early usg attempt to ban crypto
1878632;1544053596;anniez;god dangit
1878633;1544053602;anniez;i'm sick of these rich asshole fkin things up
1878634;1544053654;asciilifeform;anniez: point being, if you use some idiot's 'service' to park privkey in, you're ~voluntarily~ clintonizing yer key
1878635;1544053665;l0de;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V84GENt8BDg
1878636;1544053666;l0de;o fuq
1878637;1544053669;anniez;ye that makes sense
1878638;1544053699;anniez;nice l0de someone got you in the news
1878639;1544053700;anniez;sorta
1878640;1544053721;anniez;do you know who been sending those out?
1878641;1544053752;l0de;https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/NQ0FRI2o/image.png
1878642;1544053756;l0de;idk
1878643;1544053760;l0de;maybe that hackergiraffe guy
1878644;1544053764;l0de;or the torpedo
1878645;1544054398;anniez;asciilifeform: damn, that sounds true af
1878646;1544054426;anniez;uh so i registered with my keybase public gpg key. should i remove and redo ?
1878647;1544054439;anniez;and do it better ?
1878648;1544054706;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1878649;1544054974;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-05#1878606 << what was wrong with printing http://trilema.com/2015/strategy-for-the-antisocial-struggle/ or http://trilema.com/2017/the-universal-plan-for-wealth/ or http://trilema.com/2013/the-gentlemen-prefer-coeds-club/ or http://trilema.com/2015/a-blast-from-the-past-or-the-molotov-cocktail-guide-this-is-how-you-win/ etcetera ?
1878650;1544054974;a111;Logged on 2018-12-05 22:22 l0de: "THIS PRINTER NEEDS EMERGENCY SERVICE PLEASE CALL #"
1878651;1544054982;mircea_popescu;just whose side are you on, exactly ?
1878652;1544055006;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: prolly the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1756992 side
1878653;1544055006;a111;Logged on 2017-12-22 17:18 weevlos: trinque: we are a media publication. our power and capital comes from the number of visitors we have to the site. we aim to transform through culture. if normal people cannot visit our site we are not accomplishing our goal
1878654;1544055037;l0de;spoken by a sad little man
1878655;1544055038;l0de;RIP
1878656;1544055046;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform depending on his answer ima -1 "advertised the wrong thing".
1878657;1544055046;asciilifeform;wild folx screaming into the wilderness with no rhyme or reason
1878658;1544055580;mircea_popescu;man, reading ye olde trilemas is such a pleasure. really amassed over the years.
1878659;1544056446;mircea_popescu;!!balance
1878660;1544056454;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/n0exo/?raw=true
1878661;1544056457;mircea_popescu;!!ledger
1878662;1544056462;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/WW9qd/?raw=true
1878663;1544056774;l0de;!!balance
1878664;1544056878;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877931 << this is confirmed ftr.
1878665;1544056878;a111;Logged on 2018-12-03 15:14 mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877917 << If this is regarding payment for the 9.5k wFF, I sent payment at the beginning of November, Sir: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-30#1867587 << >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-01#1868263
1878666;1544057400;mircea_popescu;speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-23#1853297 : there's an amusing parallel between the lulzcourt of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-05#1869594 "re-habilitating trotsky", and a very similar device "re-habilitating" gilles de rais, joan of arc's imago in medieval france. now that one actually http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877727
1878667;1544057400;a111;Logged on 2018-09-23 22:14 asciilifeform: there's a reason they try to set up 'fucked 17yo' for these, it is a kind of gold standard, rather like the old 'trotskyite counter-revolutionary activity', tends to put a cork in all discussion in derposphere by harnessing the healthy hatred for podesta-style pedo, insta-alchemizes accusation into 'guilt', etc
1878668;1544057400;a111;Logged on 2018-11-05 16:27 mircea_popescu: amusingly enough, there's actually two distinguishable pantsuit trends to this day, a mystagogical cvasi-elitism spawned from boas and a mechanicistic mammie-ism visibly spawned off dewey.
1878669;1544057400;a111;Logged on 2018-12-01 23:41 asciilifeform: i'm prolly the wrong fella to do it tho, very much not unbiased, i'll still like the character even if time machine supplies incontrovertible proof that he was a cannibal and ate hot chix erry morning for breakfast
1878670;1544057572;mircea_popescu;this thing was some shit to behold, a "grandmaster of masonic lodge" plus some ex-unesco http://trilema.com/2017/in-case-you-were-wondering-where-all-the-worthless-nuland-drones-ended-up/ , ex government ministers, assorted http://trilema.com/2013/the-sops-or-what-might-you-expect-from-government-clerks/ and other nexi of gross malignant incompetence got together and declared "how things should be", free from any involvement
1878671;1544057572;mircea_popescu;from, eg, someone who had a fucking clue about medieval history AT ALL.
1878672;1544057670;mircea_popescu;!!up anniez
1878673;1544057670;deedbot;anniez voiced for 30 minutes.
1878674;1544057693;mircea_popescu;hey trinque, does !!register <newykey> and decripting otp work to replace old key with new ? or is it hand-cranked ?
1878675;1544057957;BingoBoingo;In other news, some kid up in Salto became the first case of Leishmaniasis in Uruguay
1878676;1544058157;mircea_popescu;ew.
1878677;1544058335;BingoBoingo;Thankfully Salto is about as far from me as possible in Uruguay, but...
1878678;1544058342;mircea_popescu;leprosy lite.
1878679;1544058355;BingoBoingo;yeah
1878680;1544058486;BingoBoingo;But will the Uruguayos stop being poor and start pressure washing  the Pichis off the street? I have my doubts until the redditbags start inflating
1878681;1544058528;mircea_popescu;nfi what that has to do with anything, sandflies aren't bum driven
1878682;1544058618;BingoBoingo;If they can't clean up bums, I have my doubts they can clean up the sandflies
1878683;1544058691;BingoBoingo;If the bums got "derechos humanos" the sandflies gotta have "derechos sandflies"
1878684;1544058874;mircea_popescu;some places had success with nightly plowhing of beaches.
1878685;1544058898;mircea_popescu;those places are large, rich, landlocked countries with small shorelines. not poor new world/africa shitholes with more beach than real estate.
1878686;1544059018;BingoBoingo;Beaches in Montevideo get plowed, but not nightly. Salto's not much of a beach town. More of a hot springs town. On the Uruguay river rather than the big one
1878687;1544062442;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-06#1878666 << iirc that lulzfest hinged on a 'cui bono' ( the folx who nailed de rais got to eat his estate ) , i can't picture what else tho
1878688;1544062442;a111;Logged on 2018-12-06 00:50 mircea_popescu: speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-23#1853297 : there's an amusing parallel between the lulzcourt of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-05#1869594 "re-habilitating trotsky", and a very similar device "re-habilitating" gilles de rais, joan of arc's imago in medieval france. now that one actually http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877727
1878689;1544062557;asciilifeform;gotta wonder what made him an attractive figure to'em for 'rehabilitation' tho
1878690;1544062634;asciilifeform;iirc d00d was an early specimen of the 'how to become millionaire? start as billionaire!' dynamic, rather than mega-hero
1878691;1544062729;mircea_popescu;eh, there's this http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-06#1878657 "search for republic on own terms", "gilles WOULD HAVE SEEN MY TRUE WORTH!!!" nonsense.
1878692;1544062729;a111;Logged on 2018-12-06 00:10 asciilifeform: wild folx screaming into the wilderness with no rhyme or reason
1878693;1544062998;mircea_popescu;it's often enough how http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-19#761494 items found themselves in lordship positions cope with the obvious disparity between ability and necessity -- find some "jesus would understand me" icon to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-28#1875661
1878694;1544062998;a111;Logged on 2014-07-19 03:16 mircea_popescu: so, this poor unfortunate soul found herself living her parent's dream : an assistant professor! at the prestigious ubb no less!
1878695;1544062998;a111;Logged on 2018-11-28 01:35 trinque: drug users (see: g_l) do this, go around declaring doctrines like lisplinux-chimera god and inventing pegleg rituals of devotion to her
1878696;1544063106;mircea_popescu;"the republic with dead mp", as it were. i fail to see the difference between trotskite dewey, derais-ite cowley, or wtf was that lulzy irc channel...
1878697;1544063272;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2016/cat-vorg-adnotated/ !
1878698;1544063374;mircea_popescu;this particular dig excavated some rather interesting ancient lulz. 1. the fetlife of 2013! http://btcbase.org/log/2013-11-16#380915 ; 2. http://trilema.com/2014/dial-1-646-480-0703-for-bitcoin/ << the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-12#1860897 of 2014! 3. http://trilema.com/2014/the-irc-world-is-a-big-but-very-flat-place/ << the http://trilema.com/2018/so-whats-out-there/ of 2014!
1878699;1544063374;a111;Logged on 2013-11-16 18:59 mircea_popescu: "I am an executive assistant by profession, but I have worked as a stripper and escort in the US."
1878700;1544063374;a111;Logged on 2018-10-12 16:20 mircea_popescu: fancy that, mod6 , tbf now has 0800 number.
1878701;1544063727;mircea_popescu;holy shit the patience i had back in 2016. and good fucking riddance.
1878702;1544073782;mats;my apologies for the delayed report. i attempted the esp8266 experiment with a rigol ds1054z, only to discover the standard probe isn't sensitive enough
1878703;1544073862;mats;after some false starts, i've made arrangements to briefly return to hk in the spring and begin the process to acquire a permanent id card, after applying for the right to abode, which should have no issues as i was born there
1878704;1544074015;mats;i also expect to have no issues acquiring a tw passport, and will be available for republican business if its asked of me
1878705;1544074396;mats;flights are surprisingly cheap, LAX to HKG nonstop (roundtrip) is ~$500
1878706;1544074598;mats;once i have my tw passport, i will be able to apply for an MTP (mainland travel permit), which will allow for 90d stays in china proper
1878707;1544074790;mircea_popescu;o nice mats
1878708;1544074793;mats;i believe there is an equivalent for hk, but my intentions are to stay in tw, due to familial contacts in the area, as well as comparatively lower cost of living
1878709;1544074821;mircea_popescu;tw works just fine. say when you got the mtp thing, i suspect we'll have some t for you to do.
1878710;1544074993;mats;will do
1878711;1544094020;feedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2018/12/06/smg-comms-chapter-11-arbitrary-size-of-public-exponent/ << Ossasepia -- SMG Comms Chapter 11: Arbitrary Size of Public Exponent
1878712;1544094773;diana_coman;asciilifeform, phf I've signed ch4 and ch5 of ffa: http://ossasepia.com/reference-code-shelf/#selection-555.0-593.39
1878713;1544109873;asciilifeform;ty diana_coman ! will roll these into ch14.
1878714;1544114128;asciilifeform;trinque: deedbot down ?
1878715;1544115925;trinque;...wtf all of a sudden
1878716;1544115984;trinque;thanks asciilifeform
1878717;1544116469;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/12/ransomware-cracking-guy-turns-out-to-be-ransomware-markup-and-payment-guy/ << Qntra -- Ransomware Cracking Guy Turns Out To Be Ransomware Markup And Payment Guy
1878718;1544122413;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/12/canadian-law-enforcement-abduct-huawei-cfo-for-not-giving-a-shit-about-us-sanction-on-iran/ << Qntra -- Canadian "Law Enforcement" Abduct Huawei CFO For Not Giving A Shit About US Sanction On Iran
1878719;1544122452;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: s/Ergodan/Erdogan
1878720;1544122495;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: ty fxd
1878721;1544122502;mircea_popescu;o.O
1878722;1544122515;BingoBoingo;Ya'rly
1878723;1544122653;mircea_popescu;19th centuries "wars" (in the don pacifico or agadir crisis sense) were started for less.
1878724;1544122665;mircea_popescu;chinese fleet bombarding san francisco harbor >1% probable.
1878725;1544122720;BingoBoingo;China's already talking with aggression. No archive links to English language publications for misrepresenting the abduction as a kidnapping across the board.
1878726;1544122732;BingoBoingo;*adbuction as an arrest
1878727;1544122755;BingoBoingo;s/kidnapping/arrest
1878728;1544122809;asciilifeform;they lifted him from beijing forbidden palace or wat
1878729;1544122817;BingoBoingo;Lifted her from Canada
1878730;1544122819;asciilifeform;.. or is this yet another 'walk-in client'
1878731;1544122853;BingoBoingo;Girl was doing business stuff in Canada, and then Canada kidnapped her for extradition to New York
1878732;1544122866;asciilifeform;aa lol so -- walk-in
1878733;1544122875;mircea_popescu;generally children end up spanked through this process where they fail to adjust their delusional ideas of the world fast enough.
1878734;1544122879;mircea_popescu;us in prime position for some.
1878735;1544122903;asciilifeform;( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-18#1726231 << oblig )
1878736;1544122903;a111;Logged on 2017-10-18 17:54 asciilifeform: ( 'stierlitz walked on the streets of berlin. mueller recognized that he was a soviet spy, but not because of the ppsh machinepistol clumsily slung across his shoulder, and not because of the parachute he dragged behind him, but because of the maker tag on his waistcoat, 'bolshevikess', which in typical russian slopiness had not been torn off.'
1878737;1544122915;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nothing like that.
1878738;1544122942;mircea_popescu;the cookie didn't "walk in" the cookie jar. the cookie sat in the cookie jar where it belongs, and the future spankee stuck his hand in.
1878739;1544122955;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/qntra-sqntr-november-2018-statement/ << Trilema -- Qntra (S.QNTR) November 2018 Statement
1878740;1544122967;asciilifeform;maybe i'm out of date on subj, but iirc unless yer sitting in an embassy, yer subject to local lol-enforcement
1878741;1544122972;mircea_popescu;shares added also.
1878742;1544122981;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the "united states" is not a sovereign.
1878743;1544122996;asciilifeform;somebody give washington the memo, i think they missed
1878744;1544123037;mircea_popescu;hence http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-06#1878733
1878745;1544123037;a111;Logged on 2018-12-06 19:01 mircea_popescu: generally children end up spanked through this process where they fail to adjust their delusional ideas of the world fast enough.
1878746;1544123179;mircea_popescu;argentina went through ~same cycle with faulklands.
1878747;1544123185;asciilifeform;is this 1st time they stole a cn brass ?
1878748;1544123211;asciilifeform;( i dun recall a previous , but asciilifeform does not actively follow subj )
1878749;1544123234;BingoBoingo;I believe it is the 1st time they stole one from this China
1878750;1544123249;BingoBoingo;At least for such a petty reason
1878751;1544123287;BingoBoingo;They caught and released another for sex in Minnesota http://qntra.net/2018/09/chinese-billionaire-richard-liu-arrested-and-released-in-minnesota-over-vague-sex-allegations/
1878752;1544123434;BingoBoingo;But not as brassy, and dude did go to the Somaliland of Minnesota probably expecting to visit Nordic America
1878753;1544123718;mircea_popescu;previous attempt of something like this was probably aafia siddiqui. it ~cost them afghanistan, in any practical sense.
1878754;1544123722;mircea_popescu;china isn't afghanistan, of course.
1878755;1544123773;mircea_popescu;nor is 2018 anything like 2008.
1878756;1544123799;feedbot;http://danielpbarron.com/2018/yours-is-right-here-enjoy-it-while-it-lasts/ << Daniel P. Barron -- yours is right here, enjoy it while it lasts
1878757;1544126384;lobbes;I just made a tiny fix to auctionbot. Everything seems to be working well and I don't anticipate any problems. Still, I'll be around for the rest of today in case there are.
1878758;1544126387;lobbes;(for the curious: I had overlooked the fact that when a "buy" type auction ends the usual messaging (e.g. "...Item SOLD to Person for...") had to change to reflect this (i.e. had to change it to "...Item SOLD --by-- Person for..."))
1878759;1544126394;*;lobbes wonders if this is actually a bug in the english language. Closest word I could think of to denote both "to/by" was "via", but that does not really work in this case
1878760;1544126585;mircea_popescu;imo it's a feature.
1878761;1544126682;lobbes;yeah, on second thought ambiguity in a language is not really a good thing huh
1878762;1544126778;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, https://www.didntdoitbailbonds.com/services/
1878763;1544126861;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i have one of these coupla blox from my street. they tend to cluster around courthouses , 1 or 2 for small city one, up to dozen around a major
1878764;1544126895;mircea_popescu;yeah, common enough. i find the name amusing.
1878765;1544126918;asciilifeform;somebody oughta start a 'dindu' one in bmore
1878766;1544127478;mircea_popescu;well... i guess this was long enough in any case
1878767;1544127495;mircea_popescu;!!rate l0de -1 yet another one of these, "uluitii pulii mele".
1878768;1544127498;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9kNVZ/?raw=true
1878769;1544129564;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/no-such-labs-snsa-november-2018-statement/ << Trilema -- No Such lAbs (S.NSA), November 2018 Statement
1878770;1544130038;*;phf is assembling a care package for asciilifeform http://glyf.org/tmp/carepackage.jpg
1878771;1544130153;asciilifeform;lol why ty phf .
1878772;1544130187;asciilifeform;the top can actually is available in usa; the bottom is slightly diff brand that what i get here, would be interesting to compare.
1878773;1544130231;phf;there's a dozen of different brands for both, i'll have to sample them all until i figure out the most authentic flavor
1878774;1544130294;phf;diana_coman: i've updated all the available sigs
1878775;1544130295;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what's a tiris-grapis ?
1878776;1544130311;diana_coman;phf, thanks!
1878777;1544130314;asciilifeform;phf: fwiw i bought 5 types of sprat in ro, and only 1 was up to spec, and even that -- barely
1878778;1544130332;asciilifeform;( they dun sell the 'gost' godly round can from riga, why -- i do not know )
1878779;1544130414;phf;asciilifeform: i've noticed that with some of the products here, a lot of them have GoST as a kind of branding, since i suspect it's barely regulated, but the quality of substandard.
1878780;1544130436;asciilifeform;aha, it dun say ~which~ gost, does it.
1878781;1544130451;asciilifeform;for all we know, it's the 'can is 30mm +/- 1' one.
1878782;1544130540;phf;this one is gost 280-2009, i'm not a visual machine at the moment to track it down though
1878783;1544130567;asciilifeform;http://docs.cntd.ru/document/gost-280-2009 apparently
1878784;1544130573;asciilifeform;'Canned smoked fish. Sprats in oil. Specifications'
1878785;1544130577;asciilifeform;i had nfi
1878786;1544130604;diana_coman;milk and sprats, such care; where's the caviar :p
1878787;1544130638;asciilifeform;diana_coman: funnily enuff i have 0prob getting that here
1878788;1544130657;diana_coman;and what, do you have problem getting sprats??
1878789;1544130669;asciilifeform;diana_coman: as such -- no; but quality quite variable
1878790;1544130693;asciilifeform;here they import whatever the baltic muppet states offer directly
1878791;1544130735;diana_coman;also for different asciilifeform -care: www.vidra-orastie.com/caciuli/caciuli-rusesti
1878792;1544130756;asciilifeform;diana_coman: funniy enuff i loaded up on those in ro
1878793;1544130765;asciilifeform;a++ quality, fur not flaked off yet
1878794;1544130776;asciilifeform;( unlike ~erry single american-sold variant i've ever had )
1878795;1544130778;diana_coman;well fur fine but...why *those*, lol
1878796;1544130806;asciilifeform;not those specifically, but various fur hat. incl. the archaetypical 'ceausescu hat'
1878797;1544130831;diana_coman;not as if there's no choice of fur hats; those remind me of the old one in which my great-grandmother kept newly hatched chicken to keep them warm, lol
1878798;1544130849;asciilifeform;it's somewhat funny also because asciilifeform's parents, 3 decades ago, went to ro also for clothing/shoes
1878799;1544130857;asciilifeform;and they beat the shit out of what was avail locally
1878800;1544130862;asciilifeform;nao asciilifeform does same thing..
1878801;1544130897;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i dun keep chickens but imagine it'd work great, lol
1878802;1544130928;phf;diana_coman: heh, the chicken in a fur hat story was passed on in my family also
1878803;1544130941;diana_coman;phf, I saw it! repeatedly even
1878804;1544130944;asciilifeform;( neighbour -- does keep chickens. used to be entirely unheard of in city here, but naodays local polizei close eyes to livestock (tho theoretically banned) for so long as it aint a pig )
1878805;1544130994;diana_coman;I got to know my great-grandmother and she lived in the countryside, in the plains too (where it gets scorching hot in the summer and bitterly cold in winter)
1878806;1544130994;phf;diana_coman: my great-grandparents were all moved into the city by the time i was a grownup, they could only recall the olden days, not really demonstrate them
1878807;1544131035;diana_coman;asciilifeform, you know, that sounds like good-old commie style: it's banned, but local police will close eyes for so long as x
1878808;1544131052;asciilifeform;asciilifeform's most recent livestock-keeping ancestor died during reign of hruschev , so sadly cannot eruditely add to chicken thread
1878809;1544131075;phf;asciilifeform: it's a thing in san francisco apparently, saw it in two different tech komunalkas
1878810;1544131090;asciilifeform;phf: lol! where'd they keep'em? on balcony?!
1878811;1544131096;*;diana_coman can picture asciilifeform's chicken-holding out of c101pa and similar
1878812;1544131169;phf;they are sf houses, for a large family, or 5 roommates (+ their poorer, semi permanently present partners). they have small-ish backyards, where you can have a small coup
1878813;1544131219;asciilifeform;aa
1878814;1544131263;*;phf afk
1878815;1544131275;*;asciilifeform also bbl,teatime
1878816;1544138559;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform idiomatic, something between "kicking and screaming" and "on hands and knees"
1878817;1544138587;asciilifeform;aa
1878818;1544138658;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-06#1878798 << http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-22#1741882
1878819;1544138658;a111;Logged on 2018-12-06 21:14 asciilifeform: it's somewhat funny also because asciilifeform's parents, 3 decades ago, went to ro also for clothing/shoes
1878820;1544138658;a111;Logged on 2017-11-22 00:48 mircea_popescu: depends. 80s were insufferable (but, according to eg stanculescu, still better than ru). 70s were supposedly great. 60s ro was ahead of the post-war pack, but still... europe. even the french had malnutrition.
1878821;1544138683;mircea_popescu;"what, am i goiung to defect now ? these muppets have it worse than we do". stanculescu in moscow, signing mig purchase, 1984.
1878822;1544138773;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-06#1878808 << hanbot has a duck... the groundskeeper keeps telling me how tasty duck is...
1878823;1544138773;a111;Logged on 2018-12-06 21:17 asciilifeform: asciilifeform's most recent livestock-keeping ancestor died during reign of hruschev , so sadly cannot eruditely add to chicken thread
1878824;1544138775;asciilifeform;i recall father brought back from ro also a flashlight thing with fluorescent tube, not all that useful but blew asciilifeform's mind cuz 'how is this physically possible, the ballast in our jury-rigged fluorescent at dacha is bricks-sized'
1878825;1544138818;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-06#1878812 << it's coop, for the record. spelled the same as like bernie sandals.
1878826;1544138818;a111;Logged on 2018-12-06 21:19 phf: they are sf houses, for a large family, or 5 roommates (+ their poorer, semi permanently present partners). they have small-ish backyards, where you can have a small coup
1878827;1544138905;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877455 beotch!!!
1878828;1544138905;a111;Logged on 2018-12-01 20:47 asciilifeform: which ? where they baked z80 clone ?
1878829;1544138992;asciilifeform;my current impression is that ro was closer, tech-wise, to ddr, than to (konsoomer, at least, level) su
1878830;1544139105;mircea_popescu;kinda yugo-like.
1878831;1544139131;asciilifeform;i dunno whether the yugos had native ic production
1878832;1544139598;mircea_popescu;well, i meant in terms of industrial goods supply, not necessarily ic.
1878833;1544139609;asciilifeform;aa
1878834;1544139616;mircea_popescu;frequency of chicken-on-balcony, sorta thing
1878835;1544139639;asciilifeform;ftr i never saw live chicken once till usa.
1878836;1544146401;mircea_popescu;!!key delu
1878837;1544146403;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/DB6E7ECFB457910464576F2CC23199B6B5BB085E.asc
1878838;1544146588;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-06#1878769 << lemme know if any issues
1878839;1544146588;a111;Logged on 2018-12-06 20:52 feedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/no-such-labs-snsa-november-2018-statement/ << Trilema -- No Such lAbs (S.NSA), November 2018 Statement
1878840;1544146645;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: read 2h ago, loox proper ( could like 'chapters' to the concretes in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877961 , but not essential )
1878841;1544146645;a111;Logged on 2018-12-03 15:45 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2753 , http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2798 , http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2822 for convenience.
1878842;1544146652;asciilifeform;*link
1878843;1544146664;mircea_popescu;aite.
1878844;1544146807;asciilifeform;meanwhile in ch.14 sneak peeks, modex(2048bit) : 0.296s , 4096bit : 1.786s , 8192bit : 10.766s .
1878845;1544146861;mircea_popescu;not even terrible.
1878846;1544146881;asciilifeform;( compare vs http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/ch12b_exp_timing.png )
1878847;1544146909;mircea_popescu;aha.
1878848;1544146940;asciilifeform;the bad noose is that this was the last order-of-magnitude speedup up asciilifeform's sleeve
1878849;1544146953;asciilifeform;errything after, will be linear (e.g. asm mul, in the end, unrolled comba, etc)
1878850;1544146979;mircea_popescu;yeah, but by now it's in livable range.
1878851;1544146988;asciilifeform;the linears, i expect, will cut another ~tenfold
1878852;1544146988;mircea_popescu;besides, halves every 18 months rite.
1878853;1544146991;asciilifeform;lol
1878854;1544147033;asciilifeform;where's livable and where -- not, will depend on application.
1878855;1544147103;asciilifeform;for mircea_popescu's in particular, if you shorten the pubexp , you speed up (encipherment strictly) by b/exp, where b is bitness and exp is max len of your exp, times.
1878856;1544147183;asciilifeform;e.g. for mircea_popescu's euloratron, his exp is 64bits, and his pubkeys iirc round to 4096b, so that'll be a 0.028s encipherment.
1878857;1544147254;asciilifeform;for ~decipherment~ if one were to use crt, that'd be a 2 * 0.296 = 0.592s .
1878858;1544147287;mircea_popescu;!Qcalc  1872/2048 * 0.296
1878859;1544147287;lobbesbot;mircea_popescu: 0.2705625
1878860;1544147290;asciilifeform;( granted, this figure does not include hashism, but hashism is a O(N) op )
1878861;1544147306;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, 1872 bit keys iirc.
1878862;1544147315;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ah so take the 2048 figure as base then
1878863;1544147324;mircea_popescu;yea
1878864;1544147387;asciilifeform;then will be 0.296 * ( 64 / 2048 ) = ~0.009 encrypt , and as for decrypts with crt,
1878865;1544147409;mircea_popescu;yeah, not bad.
1878866;1544147451;asciilifeform;1024b (full width) currently 0.295s (exercise for reader -- why almost same as 2048?)
1878867;1544147482;asciilifeform;so given that factors of a 1872b key fit in 1024b ea., double of above will be your encrypt, approx, time.
1878868;1544147486;asciilifeform;err, decrypt
1878869;1544147509;asciilifeform;i.e. ~same as if you had 4096b keys (i.e. 2048b p and q)
1878870;1544147562;asciilifeform;all of these figs strictly concerning ch14, with no other optimiz.
1878871;1544147609;asciilifeform;( and performed, as ch1-13 were, on asciilifeform's quite aged opteron, ~2009 )
1878872;1544147704;asciilifeform;on, e.g., 64bit 'i7', goes roughly 2x of this speed.
1878873;1544147741;asciilifeform;( if one is ready to jump with the parachute, and switch off boundary tests, that gives you another 2x )
1878874;1544147761;asciilifeform;^ which is about on par with koch's, interestingly
1878875;1544147785;asciilifeform;koch loses surprising amt of cycles to variablewidthisms/heapism.
1878876;1544147856;asciilifeform;( for n00bz, will point out -- if one is satisfied with the correctness of the algos, the bound tests dun do anyffing useful )
1878877;1544147904;asciilifeform;perhaps after coupla yrs of quality folx reading the thing, and live fire in battlefield, some folx will dare to switch'em off.
1878878;1544147923;mircea_popescu;in other news, i've made such chicken shorba a la grec as was never seen in the new world. off to partake.
1878879;1544147931;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: enjoy
1878880;1544147936;*;asciilifeform also bbl,meats
1878881;1544173737;phf;mircea_popescu: ty
1878882;1544185107;BingoBoingo;!Xview B#1009
1878883;1544185108;auctionbot;BingoBoingo: Eggog: Please enter order # as an integer
1878884;1544185117;BingoBoingo;!Xview 1009
1878885;1544185117;auctionbot;Buy order #  1009: 2k wFF Opening: 500mn ecu Leading Bid: 499.99mn ecu Ending: 2018-12-07 06:34:14.465343 UTC (6 hours 14 mins)
1878886;1544185152;BingoBoingo;^ Only a few hours left to bid in this month's Pizarro auction
1878887;1544191955;Qntbtt;http://qntra.net/2018/12/large-torrent-tracker-throwing-in-the-towel/
1878888;1544191970;Qntbtt;http://qntra.net/2018/12/mass-arrests-of-unarmed-teens-as-france-cracks-down-on-anti-macron-dissidents/
1878889;1544192465;diana_coman;what, is qntra not tracked by feedbot?
1878890;1544192492;asciilifeform;apparently not
1878891;1544192498;asciilifeform;spyked ^
1878892;1544192518;BingoBoingo;Feedbot appears down atm
1878893;1544192556;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the http://qntra.net/bundles/macronbucks.jpg thing is annoying imho
1878894;1544192561;asciilifeform;there's, what, 5 copies of it on front page ?
1878895;1544192675;BingoBoingo;It will becomes less frequent
1878896;1544193003;BingoBoingo;Brb, going to invade a once outlaw culture and see if there is still any rebellion there or if it all got taken over by pussies
1878897;1544195371;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-07#1878888 <<-->> http://trilema.com/2015/a-blast-from-the-past-or-the-molotov-cocktail-guide-this-is-how-you-win/#selection-361.0-361.65
1878898;1544195371;a111;Logged on 2018-12-07 14:12 Qntbtt: http://qntra.net/2018/12/mass-arrests-of-unarmed-teens-as-france-cracks-down-on-anti-macron-dissidents/
1878899;1544195405;mircea_popescu;white bois gotta fucking learn already. kill the cops, until there's no pantsuit left willing to larp. do not "peaceful" hurr durr, that does 0.
1878900;1544195429;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo qntra got its own bot nao too ?
1878901;1544195486;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform would you like new heads pasted in for each appearance ?
1878902;1544195583;mircea_popescu;speaking of which : it was fucking amusing to discover that in nicole's generation, "a meme, pl memes" denotes simply... a captioned image. 0 awareness of the entire ~implication~ of social influence and narrative dominance for which the thing was so pompously named by the "words are magic"/"law of hopetraction" crowd.
1878903;1544195589;mircea_popescu;it simply got clipped!
1878904;1544195768;mircea_popescu;i suspect by the same methodology "women's rights" will be a byword for bdsm and "#metoo" another way to say "idiot" in another decade. god knows "you guys are POWER RANGERS!!!" reddit gushing went exactly that way.
1878905;1544195810;mircea_popescu;btw, BingoBoingo do you happen to have anywhere saved the original reddit "you guys are power rangers!!!" idiocy ? iirc was during hearn's wrecking fork.
1878906;1544195814;Mocky;good morning mircea_popescu
1878907;1544195817;mircea_popescu;heya.
1878908;1544198799;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-07#1878892 <-- apologies for the downtime. fleanode finally decided to sabotage all my connections while I wasn't looking
1878909;1544198799;a111;Logged on 2018-12-07 14:21 BingoBoingo: Feedbot appears down atm
1878910;1544199215;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-05#1878441 <-- sure thing! send me a list of feeds you want delivered (if a lot of them) and I'll have it join #eulora when you think it's appropriate (can sync up on that, e.g. tomorrow?)
1878911;1544199215;a111;Logged on 2018-12-05 03:55 lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-05#1878419 << roger that. spyked: if you're cool with taking over #eulora rss let me know and we can work out a transition
1878912;1544199217;mircea_popescu;keks
1878913;1544199328;spyked;lobbes, if there aren't more than a couple of feeds, I could also have it join #eulora and you can !1 subscribe feed at your convenience.
1878914;1544199418;spyked;mornin' mircea_popescu
1878915;1544199749;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-07#1878901 << wouldn't hurt
1878916;1544199749;a111;Logged on 2018-12-07 15:11 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform would you like new heads pasted in for each appearance ?
1878917;1544202464;mats;mircea_popescu: whats the purpose of styrofoam in the cocktail?
1878918;1544202490;asciilifeform;mats: traditional ersatz napalm, iirc
1878919;1544202539;asciilifeform;mats: what i dunget is why mircea_popescu specified ~plastic~ bottles, these won't break and will harmlessly roll off tank
1878920;1544202619;mats;oh, the solution that results, imitates napalm stickiness
1878921;1544202725;mats;probably burns slower also
1878922;1544202956;mats;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-07#1878885 << <gribble> Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 3240.58, Best ask: 3242.22, Bid-ask spread: 1.64000, Last trade: 3240.58, 24 hour volume: 21780.93020893, 24 hour low: 3222.0, 24 hour high: 3645.05, 24 hour vwap: 3388.72
1878923;1544202956;a111;Logged on 2018-12-07 12:18 auctionbot: Buy order #  1009: 2k wFF Opening: 500mn ecu Leading Bid: 499.99mn ecu Ending: 2018-12-07 06:34:14.465343 UTC (6 hours 14 mins)
1878924;1544202966;*;mats smacks forehead
1878925;1544207610;auctionbot;Buy order # 1009 has ENDED: 2k wFF SOLD by mats for 499.99mn ecu. Attn: BingoBoingo
1878926;1544208380;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I will take a look for it
1878927;1544213729;mircea_popescu;heya!
1878928;1544213744;mircea_popescu;mats plastifying agent, basically.
1878929;1544213748;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they ~melt~.
1878930;1544213810;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what good does it do if it melts on the ground after rolling off the target ?
1878931;1544213819;mircea_popescu;do the experiment at home, if you will, count the seconds between lighting "fuse" and item turning into flaming puddle.
1878932;1544213823;mircea_popescu;~same as grenade, as specified.
1878933;1544213838;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so you throw it correctly. "what good is fused grenade ?!?!?" "you learn how to use it"
1878934;1544213925;asciilifeform;tru
1878935;1544213942;asciilifeform;glass makes for cheap 'impact fuse' tho, hence why still popular even tho plastic bottles are errywhere
1878936;1544213983;mircea_popescu;it is inferior in this application, if apparently counterintuitively so.
1878937;1544213994;mircea_popescu;doesn't always break, splatters rather than splashes, and so on.
1878938;1544214009;asciilifeform;( as for frags, even industrially produced item suffers from 'if fuse is long enuff never to run out in yer hand, enemy can throw back' headache )
1878939;1544214042;mircea_popescu;nobody's throwing back flaming plastic bottle, that's for damn sure.
1878940;1544214083;mircea_popescu;anyway, cheapness and accessibility are the overwhelming considerations. the half liter and 1 liter plastic bottles more ubiquitous than "human rights"
1878941;1544214135;mircea_popescu;but yes, http://trilema.com/wp-content/themes/trilema/images/antifa.gif is the image of the revolution.
1878942;1544214150;mircea_popescu;and quite specifically because, "kill the cops, until there's no pantsuit left willing to larp".
1878943;1544214162;mircea_popescu;revolution wins through that specific attrition, and in no other manner.
1878944;1544214374;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: which historic revolution actually fits the 'while(cops willing to larp) kill()' model ? erry one i can think of had some participation of regular army with flipped sign bit
1878945;1544215227;mircea_popescu;it's the modern version of "breaking the will to larp". but consider the case of the old pretender : for 50 fucking years, the (orange) revolution was stuck killing the wanna-be-cop catholic larpers.
1878946;1544215260;mircea_popescu;(James Francis Edward Stuart, tryna be James III)
1878947;1544215319;mircea_popescu;if you take a narrow "history started in 1993" view, you can arrive at this "army" notion. but the actual equation underlying that ~as well as any other~ applications, is 'while(cops willing to larp) kill()'
1878948;1544215343;asciilifeform;sure, and 1917 kept killing pretenders, and just about erry other example. but not with crowd hands.
1878949;1544215345;mircea_popescu;consider how the mexican cartel revolution in texas worked out.
1878950;1544215354;mircea_popescu;"oh, wikipedia doesn't recognize those events as such". hurr.
1878951;1544215377;mircea_popescu;depends on what you mean by "crowd". by tsarist books on "what's a crowd", lenin eminently crowd.
1878952;1544215399;asciilifeform;lenin + 2e6 folx coming back armed an' pissed from ww1
1878953;1544215421;mircea_popescu;every once in a while some rando fucktard straggles in here, "oh, you people aren't the world's only sovereign".
1878954;1544215422;asciilifeform;eminently != brick throwers
1878955;1544215430;mircea_popescu;lumea s-a schimbat.
1878956;1544215446;mircea_popescu;doesn't take nearly as much to topple a tower of shit as a roman arch.
1878957;1544215491;asciilifeform;if contention is 'tower of shit, takes a few brick' -- i'll buy
1878958;1544215505;asciilifeform;point was, i dunno of any direct parallels in recent white man's hist
1878959;1544215564;mircea_popescu;what's wrong with yasser arafat ? semites not white ? how about ira ?
1878960;1544215579;asciilifeform;( will observe that it seems to take moar bricks/molotovs than the 'dindus' of bmore are able to muster, to date, they 'revolution' ~yearly but it ain't detectable at all from 100km with naked eye )
1878961;1544215580;mircea_popescu;how about corsican independence, how about kosovo independence, how abotu what have you ?
1878962;1544215592;asciilifeform;ira mega-example, gave up arms and went into reddit
1878963;1544215593;mircea_popescu;because they insist on being led by niggers.
1878964;1544215618;mircea_popescu;something along the http://trilema.com/2010/general-sir-charles-james-napier-gcb/#selection-43.0-43.123 problem.
1878965;1544215621;asciilifeform;arafat's folx ditto, still living in concentration camps
1878966;1544215639;mircea_popescu;well, i suspect the problem here is that you use a yet-unwritten history book.
1878967;1544215660;asciilifeform;possibly unwritten at least partly cuz not actually happened yet
1878968;1544215752;asciilifeform;'kosovo independence' another mega-lol, product of nato bombers
1878969;1544215832;asciilifeform;kosovo is simply condom clinton wore when he waltzed serbia in erry hole
1878970;1544216206;asciilifeform;even ro '89 'revolution', which i suspect is mircea_popescu's basic model, dun quite fit pattern : old regime croaked precisely when regular army turned on securitate. ( and yet somehow even after this, iliescu -- communist -- ended up on throne )
1878971;1544216281;asciilifeform;( iirc mircea_popescu actually had a piece re subj, where not only about iliescu, but where all the new managerial class was also ex-party, because nobody else adequately literate, or how did it go )
1878972;1544217062;mircea_popescu;you know, that suspicion is somewhat on the level of "i suspect surgeon likes knives. because surgeon, geddit ???".
1878973;1544217114;mircea_popescu;but anyway -- events can always be reinterpreted through a glass so strange nothing is left standing. i dunno that any argument can be brought to the level of broken lens.
1878974;1544217155;asciilifeform;i'd like to borrow the lens through which mircea_popescu saw his model, but i suspect it dun work with earthling eye.
1878975;1544217169;mircea_popescu;there's no speciffic reason clinton wanted or needed kosovo for. the item existed on the ground.
1878976;1544217211;asciilifeform;iirc the serbs were doing an a++ job of bugspraying it, until intervention
1878977;1544217233;mircea_popescu;the elements of that specific conflict were separately, the croats, the bosniaks, the serbs, kosovo, and the albanians. and, i suppose, to be exhaustive, the gypsies.
1878978;1544217247;asciilifeform;lol on whose side, the gypsies?!
1878979;1544217268;mircea_popescu;now then : the serbs decided to produce a national state out of old yugo, through the process of cleansing a portion of ye olde yugo of everyone else and adding it to serbia.
1878980;1544217295;mircea_popescu;this worked splendidly well, and through the exact process described : they started shooting the "cop" larpers until no one wanted to larp anymore.
1878981;1544217362;mircea_popescu;similarily, the palestine situation. you wanna read it in a batshit insane manner, but the truth is that in the 30s-50s there was ~no reason~ for there to be a palestine. and yet, another 50ish years later, the us recognized such a state.
1878982;1544217422;asciilifeform;palestine winners not called yet, arguably, so i'ma leave'em alone; but what am i missing re serbs ? cuz iirc the 'larpers' won in the end
1878983;1544217427;mircea_popescu;leaving aside the cases where "army -- shot the would-be cops", from odessa to what have you, 2016 turkey, the point remains : shooting the larping pantsuit until no pantsuit left willing to larp is the only way.
1878984;1544217457;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this "in the end" argument is about as boneheaded as "according to my painted-over skymask, the sky is maroon in color".
1878985;1544217470;mircea_popescu;in the end, kelvin won.
1878986;1544217488;asciilifeform;so contention is 'serbia not under pantsuit yoke' ? somehow ? or 'serbia will rise again?' or which is it
1878987;1544217515;mircea_popescu;contention is, "the only way through which revolution ~ever~ wins, is  'while(cops willing to larp) kill()'".
1878988;1544217534;mircea_popescu;this says nothing of "in the end". that's nonsense, you've not yet done anything or not done anything that lives to this "in the end" stgandard.
1878989;1544217546;mircea_popescu;"in the end" ffa is a piece of shit, because events from star date 78987.4
1878990;1544217558;asciilifeform;guaranteed to fail when sun burns out, lolyes
1878991;1544217576;mircea_popescu;so then. "the only way to have medicine is by washing hands" "in the end, corpse anyway"
1878992;1544217583;mircea_popescu;duh. that doesn't invalidate hygiene.
1878993;1544217702;asciilifeform;i thought mircea_popescu was going for a historically, rather than philosophically, supported statement. ( i dun even disagree, as such, 1917 was over in ~1926 when ~100% opposition was dead/emigrated . but wasn't pushed out by bottle-throwers, no. )
1878994;1544217902;asciilifeform;afaik last time 'amateurs' actually gave regular army a run for its money, was muentzer. ( and even there, debatable, had 'pro' leadership ; so possibly actual last time was... spartacus ? )
1878995;1544218180;mircea_popescu;well i mean, what is the diff between historic and philosophic you propose here ?
1878996;1544218204;mircea_popescu;it's a historical fact, the only way for a revolution to win is for the wanna-be pantsuit cop larpers being killed, in such numbers as not to leave any behind.
1878997;1544218216;asciilifeform;killed -- yes
1878998;1544218216;mircea_popescu;this is true universally, whether that number turns out to be half a million or half a unit.
1878999;1544218226;asciilifeform;that's not the part i have nitpick for
1879000;1544218245;mircea_popescu;and it is also supported historically, in ALL cases. both ALL cases during our lifetimes and ALL cases during every other generation's lifetime.
1879001;1544218256;asciilifeform;( seems like trivial fact, i can't possibly dispute it )
1879002;1544218269;mircea_popescu;taking individual such examples and declaring "i interpret ~this~ particuylar case of  'while(cops willing to larp) kill()' as somethingentirely else!!!" isn't gonna do much.
1879003;1544218323;mircea_popescu;the whole point is, "looky here good fellows, the similarity between pharoh tuth's death and granma ilsa's death down the street and every other smallpox death is -- variola virus!!"
1879004;1544218342;mircea_popescu;coming back with a "oh, but people died of rock crushing in ancient egypt more than now" is a very weird approach.
1879005;1544218356;asciilifeform;what i dun know of is any examples where the killin' wasn't done largely by orig regime's nominal armies with flipped sign bit.
1879006;1544218362;asciilifeform;( or, i suppose, invader )
1879007;1544218383;mircea_popescu;there is no such thing! think for a second : "i don't know of a case of a star created out of either foreign material or accreted local material"
1879008;1544218393;mircea_popescu;holy shit man, star is made out of H. that's what H is, starmaker.
1879009;1544218400;mircea_popescu;yes, the MEN THERE PRESENT will do the killing.
1879010;1544218403;mircea_popescu;who the fuck else ?!
1879011;1544218439;mircea_popescu;"oh, but briefly previously this very same H was labeled ''planet x''." so what the fuck ?
1879012;1544218552;*;asciilifeform adjusts gas mask
1879013;1544218622;asciilifeform;i suppose if next week -- fr revolution, macron guillotined, nato expelled, etc -- i'ma have to eat hat
1879014;1544218627;mircea_popescu;in the specific case of weimar, it was sailors, specifically kiel sailors. ie, "not army". and so on, whoever it will have been it'll always have been the men present.
1879015;1544218635;asciilifeform;whoknows, maybe 5 d00dz with molotovs > regular fr army, at this pt
1879016;1544218658;mircea_popescu;experimentally, dozen doods with box cutters > usg "intelligence ocmmunity", two decades ago.
1879017;1544218685;asciilifeform;aha, or the serb baker with old s-100 vs reagan's $1b flying brick
1879018;1544218689;asciilifeform;does happen
1879019;1544218690;mircea_popescu;experimentally also, few k goatfuckers with kalash > nato army, decade ago.
1879020;1544218706;mircea_popescu;not a matter of "does happen". a matter of "strictly nothiong else happens".
1879021;1544218719;asciilifeform;well muentzers also happen neh
1879022;1544218756;mircea_popescu;or what, magically "palestine never turned tide" and ALSO "never heard of this afghanistan place-where-empires-go-to-die" simultaneously now !?
1879023;1544218804;asciilifeform;german algo ('if it moves, shoot it') would've 'solved' afghan.
1879024;1544218809;asciilifeform;( why not applied, is separate q )
1879025;1544218851;mircea_popescu;right. because, again, 'while(cops willing to larp) kill()'.
1879026;1544218924;mircea_popescu;and "why not applied" never separate or separable question. always delivered in a package with all other answers : "because there wasn't who".
1879027;1544219092;asciilifeform;upstack, why is it that 'kiel sailors' != 'army' ? or on mircea_popescu's planet 'army' specifically means infantry ? ( on mine, it's broad brush for errybody who subject to mil discipline, uniform, under command of the nominal crown )
1879028;1544219131;mircea_popescu;yes, traditionally in english "the army" means the army, as opposed to navy, airforce or marines etc.
1879029;1544219141;asciilifeform;hm.
1879030;1544219155;asciilifeform;btw lenin also with sailors.
1879031;1544219158;mircea_popescu;right.
1879032;1544219159;asciilifeform;( at least, initially )
1879033;1544219169;mircea_popescu;potemkin!
1879034;1544219183;asciilifeform;aurora
1879035;1544219211;*;asciilifeform sings, 'что тебе снится, крейсер аврора...'
1879036;1544219219;mircea_popescu;Князь Потёмкин Таврический, you know, the silent film.
1879037;1544219235;asciilifeform;yes. wasn't a xor but a +.
1879038;1544219250;mircea_popescu;they refugeed in ro, btw.
1879039;1544219272;asciilifeform;iirc ro didn't start throwing folx back until dej
1879040;1544219311;mircea_popescu;by then...
1879041;1544219316;mircea_popescu;this was iirc early 1900s.
1879042;1544219327;asciilifeform;aha
1879043;1544219793;*;asciilifeform bbl,meat
1879044;1544221155;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/minigame-smg-november-2018-statement/ << Trilema -- MiniGame (S.MG), November 2018 Statement
1879045;1544223703;mircea_popescu;diana_coman ^ lemme know if issues.
1879046;1544231919;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-07#1878913 << this may work; there's only ~5 feeds iirc. Question is: would using the !1subscribe method flood the channel with old blog posts, or would it just grab the new ones?
1879047;1544231919;a111;Logged on 2018-12-07 16:15 spyked: lobbes, if there aren't more than a couple of feeds, I could also have it join #eulora and you can !1 subscribe feed at your convenience.
1879048;1544237674;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in other wtfs, https://blackhattactics.net/i-bring-tidings-of-the-most-serene-republic.html
1879049;1544239131;mircea_popescu;OleanderBloom  21F Exploring 3m "I do apologize for seeming unintelligent, and I must also politely decline the offer. I am not polyamourous. I do however hope you find another new edition to your existing relationships. :)"
1879050;1544239138;mircea_popescu;nothing beats a little bit o' arudition
1879051;1544249909;feedbot;http://bimbo.club/?p=99 << Bimbo.Club -- TMSR Log Summary - 11/18/2018
1879052;1544256981;lobbes;http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/10/auctionbot-is-live/ << at the suggestion of a few people, I've updated the bot help page to be a little more helpful. Command explanations are a little meatier and an additional likbez added to the end.
1879053;1544271976;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-08#1879046 <-- hm. feedbot sends rss entries that aren't previously in the db, so it'll spam on the first !1subscribe. so in this case it's better to send me a list of the feeds and I'll add them manually.
1879054;1544271976;a111;Logged on 2018-12-08 01:18 lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-07#1878913 << this may work; there's only ~5 feeds iirc. Question is: would using the !1subscribe method flood the channel with old blog posts, or would it just grab the new ones?
1879055;1544272057;spyked;this is a good point tho: the spam-on-first-subscription behaviour sounds like bug and I'll add in the hopper for fixing.
1879056;1544274152;BingoBoingo; lol-gaol http://archive.is/WZjdt
1879057;1544275582;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-07#1879045 -> http://trilema.com/2018/minigame-smg-november-2018-statement/#comment-127157
1879058;1544275582;a111;Logged on 2018-12-07 23:01 mircea_popescu: diana_coman ^ lemme know if issues.
1879059;1544275595;diana_coman;other than that it looks fine to me
1879060;1544283791;mircea_popescu;spyked not so much a bug, traditional behaviour on adding ~new~ feeds, because people generally want to see a few articles from a new source. however, "old" feeds so to speak don't need it. so maybe have just a knob for you, doesn'teven need to be exposed to general public, to make the distinction between normal (hey, new guy added) and exceptional (importing other bot's feeds) regimes.
1879061;1544284167;mircea_popescu;Posted byu/mijalis Crypto God | BTC: 21 QC 7 hours ago "Lessons learned - Crypto and Divorce - In January I was a millionaire thanks to BTC, then my wife divorces me and now I have $30,000 AMA" << http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-27#1875524 slash http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-20#1873926 yes ?
1879062;1544284167;a111;Logged on 2018-11-27 20:59 a111: Logged on 2015-05-25 23:50 assbot: You rated user grubles on 23-Dec-2014, with a rating of -1, and supplied these additional notes: Disingenuous at best. One of the large group of everyday nitwits that wandered into Bitcoin early on enough so as to end up with a much larger momentary fortune than their limited brainpower could support. After squandering it through the usual means, they prefer to pretend their funciar stupidity is someone else's fault..
1879063;1544284167;a111;Logged on 2018-11-20 18:55 asciilifeform: evidently their extraction engine ~does~ work, or waterfall would have long ago dried
1879064;1544284212;mircea_popescu;gotta be shaken out of the space, what. these morons don't belong "in crypto" anymore than they belong in #trilema. hence http://trilema.com/2016/thats-right-time-to-move-on-please-do-bitcoin-is-really-not-for-you/#selection-139.2-143.30
1879065;1544284323;mircea_popescu;" I was trying to have to pay taxes as far away as possible. So, I decided to wait till New Year's Eve and started liquidating my crypto on January 1st" jesus.
1879066;1544284344;BingoBoingo;Derps are going to herp
1879067;1544284350;mircea_popescu;see, my fetlife morons are WAY THE FUCK SMARTER, in their bovine idiocy & petriferous lassitude, than these utter fucktards.
1879068;1544284359;mircea_popescu;#KillTheMales
1879069;1544284505;mircea_popescu;i tell you truthfully, no case of femtarded "oh i make choices, have oppinions blablabla" out of thousands in the same interval infuriate nearly anywhere near the level of a zx2c4 or a l0de or whatever other such example.
1879070;1544284596;mircea_popescu;there's about ten thousand fucking miles between http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1878087 and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877614
1879071;1544284596;a111;Logged on 2018-12-03 23:37 mircea_popescu: LordMPofTMSR  38M Master 3h "Think of it as an intelligence test. That you're failing." Violet13s 21F sub 3h 'Well whatever you said in the subject box I can't see so I have no idea what " intelligence test " your trying to have me show you. So I'm not really failing, if you want to find out my intelligence you should just message it.'
1879072;1544284596;a111;Logged on 2018-12-01 22:13 danielpbarron: that wouldn't be the worst thing
1879073;1544284719;BingoBoingo;Indeed there are.
1879074;1544284875;mircea_popescu;fresh delivery : --zzz-- 23F sub 40m "How about I bet my boy frend to abduct you and rape you Not even kidding :)"
1879075;1544284916;mircea_popescu;what the FUCK "boyfriend" can some 20yo moron from the us have ? they go on fucking dates, and if he sees me crossing the street once he browns his pants slightly ?
1879076;1544284924;mircea_popescu;but at least this is mildly entertaining idiocy.
1879077;1544284976;BingoBoingo;Sure, the girles might not have much, but they cherish their not that much. The boys hallucinate their optionality out of straight up nothing.
1879078;1544284997;mircea_popescu;not even sure that's it. tbh i have nfi what it is.
1879079;1544285403;BingoBoingo;I'm probably somewhat off, but it seems there is something almost adorable in the way girls will cherish their articles of poverty into a protective insulating bubble. And generally they can get by on their little whatever. They've got the hardware to hold the cognitive dissonance without completely self destructing.
1879080;1544285413;BingoBoingo;The boys... don't have any of that
1879081;1544285503;BingoBoingo;The boys are just slowly dying of nothing in particular and lashing out in ways that carefully avoid the masculine imperative to reshape the world for fun and profit
1879082;1544285632;BingoBoingo;Some boys stumble into the door of the reshaping the world room here, and intensly nope the fuck out
1879083;1544285706;BingoBoingo;Their internal register had already had its redundant bit flipped, Like David in Petrus's story
1879084;1544285981;BingoBoingo;They just want their rock to crawl under and die quietly
1879085;1544286143;mircea_popescu;possibly it's the actual substance of gender identity, "when girls do x i find it tolerable, when bois do it i find it unbearable" "so you're male ?"
1879086;1544286976;BingoBoingo;Kinda like adult woman response to pedophiles
1879087;1544287276;mircea_popescu;what's left is the question of whether they do in fact do the same thing, cuz it dun seem so to me.
1879088;1544287387;mircea_popescu;o btw, in continuation of "romanians are idiots" discussion, asciilifeform ever read http://trilema.com/2010/dusmania-politica-romaneasca/ ?
1879089;1544287604;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/how-to-piss-me-the-fuck-off-a-guide/ << Trilema -- How to piss me the fuck off -- a guide
1879090;1544291450;mats;i learned today that ciao, from the venetian dialect 'schiavo', means 'i am your slave'
1879091;1544291484;mats;vilches, 'new world gold', p. 27
1879092;1544291577;mircea_popescu;there's a lot of this in 16th century courtly southern yurp behaviour
1879093;1544291605;mircea_popescu;the transylvanian most common greeting ("servus") literally means "servant" and is a contraction of the upper clas overpolite "i am your most humble servant" expression.
1879094;1544291615;mircea_popescu;and by literally i mean, "in latin".
1879095;1544291674;mircea_popescu;survived in english and french up to 1800s or so, but usually in formal private epistolary, "i remain..." etc.
1879096;1544291699;mats;also learned that the arabic word for eunuch (siqlabi) comes from the ethnic label referring to slavs (saqalibi)
1879097;1544291723;mircea_popescu;aha! and in romanian, "harap", literally slave, transliterates "arab".
1879098;1544291726;mats;frankopan, 'the silk roads' (p. 118)
1879099;1544291882;mats;astonished by how early successes of teh venetians and rus, were singularly driven by willingness to sell future generations of their enemies, neighbors, children into captivity, and later, protection rackets
1879100;1544291906;mats;according to frankopan, anyway.
1879101;1544293851;mats;to expound on that more, i'm not able to readily wrap my brain around how keeping slaves as property can be a +ev activity with low variance
1879102;1544293943;mats;keeping slaves in usa was problematic in the antebellum period, due to the increasingly common, unpredictable and malignant uprisings
1879103;1544294345;mats;ready availability of farm implements and fertilizers enable armed rebellions
1879104;1544306607;mircea_popescu;mats they kept blacks.
1879105;1544306623;mircea_popescu;just because ~blacks~ are demographically worthless does not mean slavery is a -ev activity.
1879106;1544306665;mircea_popescu;many things can ONLY be done by slave labour. such as, making a film worth watching. or running a hospital, or a ship at sea, etc.
1879107;1544314873;mats;is this second bit a political or economic argument
1879108;1544314897;mats;slaves at sea are a physical security nightmare
1879109;1544315102;mats;perhaps a definition of terms is in order - i consider slavery the keeping of humans as property, distinct from slavery in teh manner of the old testament, indentured servitude with timed expiry, 'jubilee'
1879110;1544323907;mircea_popescu;slavery is "do what you're fucking told to do". the only available alternative is "figure out something for you to do".
1879111;1544323914;mircea_popescu;humans generally work terribly poorly on the 2nd perspective.
1879112;1544323987;mircea_popescu;in any case, the best possible thing you can be is property. the alternative is being a liability.
1879113;1544324001;mircea_popescu;contrary to what overexicted emotards like to pretend, there ~isn't~ a third.
1879114;1544324143;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1875076 discussion very much apropos. there's either domestic slave, or domestic liability. "wife" "girlfriend" "significant other" bla bla bla sad if transparent attempts at confounding the issue through labels. "oh, it's not directly evident if i mean she's the head of the household or the drain in the balance sheet". "no, actually, i think i can tell".
1879115;1544324143;a111;Logged on 2018-11-26 23:32 mircea_popescu: to restate in these terms, "two young males, fractional '''girlfriend''' they'd have to pay to get rid of, living with parents, hoping to be one day paid by inca for the useless '''work''' they want to do" etc.
1879116;1544324209;mircea_popescu;when's the last time you ever heard anyone ask a sailor/doctor/starlet/best grip/screenwriter/whatever what ~they~ would want to do ?
1879117;1544329972;mats;its normal for lieutenants to be asked whether they're looking to go command track, staff; what their top 3 stations are; ncos can volunteer for special billets like recruiting, babysitting privates as instructors, embassy duty, going through various schools under jsoc, ...
1879118;1544330020;mats;doctors are asked to decide what their specialization will be, what grants they are looking to pursue in order to undertake some research
1879119;1544330049;mats;i understand the pedagogical purpose of what you're saying
1879120;1544330164;mats;if you're actually good at what you do, you can have some limited control over decisions that affect you
1879121;1544333343;mircea_popescu;sure, and slaves can decide whether they're gonna wear rag A or rag B.
1879122;1544334395;mircea_popescu;there's exactly no difference between scarlet o'hara's mammy and that elaineou chick';s story about how she didn't get subtype x of brand y of packaged "food" at office because she got it at home and she wanted ~some way~ to distinguish between the two.
1879123;1544334479;mircea_popescu;(cursory examination failed to turn up the actual item, was maybe 2016 vintage ; meanwhile snowed in by >9000 inconsequential tidbits a la https://elaineou.com/2018/12/01/dont-hate-her-because-she-commissioned-opposition-research-on-george-soros/ https://elaineou.com/2018/11/27/a-bitcoin-is-forever/ etc. spoiler : 2 out of past 3 offerings, rewritten "in own words" tlp articles, pete dushenski style.)
1879124;1544334593;mircea_popescu;to sum up : "antebellum slaves" weren't "some people with absolutely no options". they were "some people whose continued existence depends on ~others~ maintaining an ecosystem for them". their "freed" descendants replicated the original situation exactly, they're came up with "the rap industry" to "tryna make it in", an' when clinton gave them free houses they failed to keep up with the payments. this doesn't sum to an indict
1879125;1544334593;mircea_popescu;ment of slavery as an institution, but to an indictment of blackness as an ethnicity.
1879126;1544334624;mircea_popescu;much like the fact that old people will either be found loitering in old people homes or else loitering in parks and train stations isn't possibly an indictment of old people homes ; but of old age.
1879127;1544334715;mircea_popescu;being old sucks, and this isn't going to change by how you package the old folks. it's not "serenity cedars" or whatever stupid name's fault that there's no great 90yo strippers, or wrestlers, or whatever the fuck. no reforming of retirement homes is gonna make senior citizens a pleasure to drive behind. and so on.
1879128;1544334790;mircea_popescu;nor can this be dispelled by anecdotal example. ~of fucking course~ there's 90yos you'd love to have dinner with. few and fart between.
1879129;1544334795;mircea_popescu;o wait, i mean far*.
1879130;1544334958;mircea_popescu;the question is not "whether slave has some leeway". all living things always have some leway. the question is, in romanian, "desteptu' face bani din ce doreste, prostu' din ce poate" ; and in latin, "si quis, inquis, dives est, tum cenare potest cum cupit. si pauper, tum cenare debet cum potest."
1879131;1544335180;mircea_popescu;the difference is that some do what they will and the rest do what they can. that's it, and there's no talking out of it available, the surgeon will operate a case of apendicitis every single time a case of apendicits walks in the er door. not a single time less nor a single time more. "nobody asks him" in this exact sense, he'll do what there's to be done according to the book of his slavery, much EXACRTLY like the "antebell
1879132;1544335180;mircea_popescu;um south" slave who'll pick cotton, exactly as much and not an iota more or less as there's cotton to be picked, and will brush silverware exactly as much and not an iota more or less as there's silverware to brush.
1879133;1544335281;mircea_popescu;yes, he can apply to boss man to be moved from silverware detail to apendicitis tickling, or vice-versa, to cotton pickin'. but as long as there's the three ring binder, servile profession stays servile profession, and not calling it slavery's exactly like calling the guatemalan sinkhole in your livingroom "my girlfriend". the calling dun change nothing.
1879134;1544335856;lobbes;!Qlater tell spyked http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/rOvJB/?raw=true
1879135;1544335856;lobbesbot;lobbes: The operation succeeded.
1879136;1544335859;lobbes;^^ lemme know if you end up needing the post-by-post history and I can shoot that over too
1879137;1544348217;diana_coman;trinque, running the cuntoo script as root on Gentoo laptop with ./bootstrap.sh -k config/4.9.95-apu2 -d /dev/sdb where the laptop's own system is on /dev/sda and that /dev/sdb is an external drive connected via USB; all the partitioning+compilations seem to work fine but at the end the make_portage_tree script fails for lack of stuff and looking a bit higher up in the output I get this: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Mbkqu/?raw=true
1879138;1544368455;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/12/linux-org-domain-hijacked-to-show-hairy-butthole/ << Qntra -- Linux.org Domain Hijacked To Show Hairy Butthole
1879139;1544369702;mircea_popescu;#LinuxLost
1879140;1544369724;BingoBoingo;Indeed
1879141;1544369765;*;BingoBoingo getting clean air before making one last dive into the corral of mediocrity
1879142;1544370430;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo keks, may now wants to stick with eu ?
1879143;1544370453;mircea_popescu;they're so lulzy, these schmucks. srsly now, if i wanted to play with six year old girls i'd have stayed six years old. who the fuck ever does ?!
1879144;1544371825;BingoBoingo;Really, its a whole pile of WTFs all the way down
1879145;1544373264;mircea_popescu;meh, i keep losing my articles.
1879146;1544373288;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo do you perchance recall which trilema piece explained why and wherefore politeness is a social bad (inflates away the value system) ?
1879147;1544373338;BingoBoingo;Ths one? http://trilema.com/2016/honor-societies-vs-respect-societies-or-how-the-disaster-of-commons-sunk-the-western-world/
1879148;1544373421;mircea_popescu;yay!
1879149;1544373422;mircea_popescu;tyvm
1879150;1544373548;mircea_popescu;ahahah teh fucking comments. who was mr beam anyways ?!
1879151;1544373869;BingoBoingo;I can't recall the beam fellow
1879152;1544375552;mircea_popescu;Mr. Beam Friday, 25 November 2016 '"Used on blogging sites, mostly Tumblr, is an expression that denotes so many emotional responses that the user can’t even comprehend what has been said or seen. " << Wrong. Intel first introduced a line of Pentriums that couldn't even.' Mircea Popescu 'I thought the Intels couldn't odd.'
1879153;1544378181;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/the-stupidity-ratchet/ << Trilema -- The stupidity ratchet
1879154;1544381024;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-09#1879137 << the warnings from cp are expected. I'm copying just files, not dirs (perhaps there's a way to suppress this warning?). If the script stopped at this point for you, I'd be curious what adding -x to the shebang at top tells us.
1879155;1544381024;a111;Logged on 2018-12-09 09:36 diana_coman: trinque, running the cuntoo script as root on Gentoo laptop with ./bootstrap.sh -k config/4.9.95-apu2 -d /dev/sdb where the laptop's own system is on /dev/sda and that /dev/sdb is an external drive connected via USB; all the partitioning+compilations seem to work fine but at the end the make_portage_tree script fails for lack of stuff and looking a bit higher up in the output I get this: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Mbkqu/?raw=true
1879156;1544381058;diana_coman;trinque, it didn't stop but it ended with an empty "a" and "b" hence .vpatch
1879157;1544381070;diana_coman;so I think it wasn't just a warning really
1879158;1544381087;diana_coman;also, why does it try to write to read-only stuff on /dev/sda or what am I failing to understand there?
1879159;1544381123;trinque;diana_coman: it's saying that lilo was instructed *not* to write to sda
1879160;1544381149;trinque;I roll through all other block devices but the target one and explicitly tell lilo not to fuck with them.
1879161;1544381157;diana_coman;ah, ah, I get it now; makes sense
1879162;1544381187;trinque;the empty dirs are weird indeed. I think -x at the top of that script will tell us more, if you would be so kind.
1879163;1544381199;trinque;I'll re-run on my end as well and confirm that I get the same results I did last time.
1879164;1544381215;trinque;looks like you did receive a bootable drive though, just no vpatch?
1879165;1544381279;diana_coman;trinque, yes, I seem to have a bootable drive at the end of it but empty .vpatch file; where exactly should I add the -x?
1879166;1544381290;diana_coman;I'll re-run it with that, no problem
1879167;1544381361;trinque;scripts/make_portage_tree.sh << #!/bin/bash -ex
1879168;1544381400;diana_coman;will do and report back when it finishes - probably I get to see it in ~12 hours from now though
1879169;1544381414;trinque;sounds about right
1879170;1544381445;trinque;can speed things up by copying /cuntoo/packages/* to the packages folder in the bootstrapper dir
1879171;1544381496;diana_coman;it's more that I'll be away in a few hours anyway and then it's night here so it may as well just run fully until tomorrow morning
1879172;1544381513;diana_coman;but speedup option is actually good to know anyway
1879173;1544381522;trinque;ah right, no worries. thanks for your testing.
1879174;1544396431;feedbot;http://pizarroisp.net/2018/12/09/weekly-update-december-9th-2018/ << PizarroISP -- Weekly Update December 9th 2018
1879175;1544396733;feedbot;http://bimbo.club/?p=100 << Bimbo.Club -- Somebody save me
1879176;1544398447;*;asciilifeform back in biz after short break in meatspace
1879177;1544398461;asciilifeform;diana_coman et al : achtung : http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2735&cpage=1#comment-19763
1879178;1544398589;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-08#1879088 << i have not read. but attempted to when eating log, and found that i dun have enuff of recent ro wank loaded into head, to make sense of it
1879179;1544398589;a111;Logged on 2018-12-08 16:43 mircea_popescu: o btw, in continuation of "romanians are idiots" discussion, asciilifeform ever read http://trilema.com/2010/dusmania-politica-romaneasca/ ?
1879180;1544398601;asciilifeform;( e.g. what is 'psd' ? )
1879181;1544398668;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-08#1879048 << i turn these up erry coupla months, some rando derp claims to tmsr etc
1879182;1544398668;a111;Logged on 2018-12-08 02:54 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other wtfs, https://blackhattactics.net/i-bring-tidings-of-the-most-serene-republic.html
1879183;1544398787;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-08#1879085 << i must be an earthworm. cuz i find'em ~all~ ~equally infuriating.
1879184;1544398787;a111;Logged on 2018-12-08 16:22 mircea_popescu: possibly it's the actual substance of gender identity, "when girls do x i find it tolerable, when bois do it i find it unbearable" "so you're male ?"
1879185;1544398801;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-08#1879068 >> KillThemAll
1879186;1544398801;a111;Logged on 2018-12-08 15:52 mircea_popescu: #KillTheMales
1879187;1544398986;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-09#1879123 << astonishing levels of snoar. tho will point out, the 'btc is 4evah' part is lulzy -- not even speaking of hypothetical crypto breaks -- there's, e.g., a built-in sad-fixint-overflow boojum due in < 20yr .
1879188;1544398986;a111;Logged on 2018-12-09 05:47 mircea_popescu: (cursory examination failed to turn up the actual item, was maybe 2016 vintage ; meanwhile snowed in by >9000 inconsequential tidbits a la https://elaineou.com/2018/12/01/dont-hate-her-because-she-commissioned-opposition-research-on-george-soros/ https://elaineou.com/2018/11/27/a-bitcoin-is-forever/ etc. spoiler : 2 out of past 3 offerings, rewritten "in own words" tlp articles, pete dushenski style.)
1879189;1544399046;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-09#1879139 << oblig >> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2578
1879190;1544399046;a111;Logged on 2018-12-09 15:35 mircea_popescu: #LinuxLost
1879191;1544399073;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-09#1879133 << i can't resist to ask, wtf is a 'nonservile profession' ? 'fuhrer' aint a profession imho
1879192;1544399073;a111;Logged on 2018-12-09 06:01 mircea_popescu: yes, he can apply to boss man to be moved from silverware detail to apendicitis tickling, or vice-versa, to cotton pickin'. but as long as there's the three ring binder, servile profession stays servile profession, and not calling it slavery's exactly like calling the guatemalan sinkhole in your livingroom "my girlfriend". the calling dun change nothing.
1879193;1544399111;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-09#1879175 << tell'em, nicoleci, that it is too late nao : that you have already grown the horn.
1879194;1544399111;a111;Logged on 2018-12-09 23:05 feedbot: http://bimbo.club/?p=100 << Bimbo.Club -- Somebody save me
1879195;1544400946;mircea_popescu;the horn ?!
1879196;1544401175;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform psd and pdl, the two major political parties at the time
1879197;1544401205;mircea_popescu;ro has this habit of recycling the apparatus under diff names, ~same bs as in us but gets a new name every 5ish years.
1879198;1544401459;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform chick doesn't read code or understand anything. she just sed 's/x/y/g' 's and that's it.
1879199;1544401496;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there's these unicorns, "liberal professions". supposedly exist in some circumstances that nobody yet encountered.
1879200;1544401824;mircea_popescu;hey BingoBoingo, is the mp-wp on pizarro's shared server broken or what ? i don't understand how http://archive.is/Bihzo#selection-111.0-115.1 is possible otherwise ?
1879201;1544401963;*;asciilifeform cannot comment at all on 'liberal professions', has only ever served on galleys
1879202;1544401982;asciilifeform;the horn << well, 'unicorn' neh
1879203;1544402031;mircea_popescu;ah
1879204;1544402032;mircea_popescu;lol
1879205;1544402056;asciilifeform;http://archive.is/Bihzo#selection-111.0-115.1 displays correctly here btw
1879206;1544402068;asciilifeform;( shows a properly-blued '"hi, let's try ((This is how they work.)) footnotes"1' )
1879207;1544402098;asciilifeform;mp-wp on shared machine is a per-user install, tho, so it is possible that somebody's is broken. that one seems to work tho
1879208;1544402117;mircea_popescu;it should not be possible for a mp-wp correctly installed to display the (()) part
1879209;1544402122;asciilifeform;oh hm
1879210;1544402122;mircea_popescu;they resolve to footnotes.
1879211;1544402152;asciilifeform;ooooh that was archiver's js
1879212;1544402164;asciilifeform;nicoleci dun seem to have the mp's highlight plugin installed at al
1879213;1544402172;mircea_popescu;i am not discussing highlight.
1879214;1544402176;mircea_popescu;i am discussing footnote parser.
1879215;1544402195;asciilifeform;aaaa
1879216;1544402204;mircea_popescu;you're something else!
1879217;1544402205;asciilifeform;ok yes broke
1879218;1544402273;asciilifeform;!Q later tell BingoBoingo iirc you were the one who set up nicoleci's mp-wp, plox to take look ?
1879219;1544402273;lobbesbot;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1879220;1544402297;asciilifeform;( hanbot's , on same machine, worx , so it's a user-local boojum )
1879221;1544402341;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, the chick's something else. she loses like 40-50 iq points in writing. orally she's almost promising ; then she decides she's gonna write up an article, has a pretty decent idea for one, gets to work and what comes out is barely fit for jr high. i've never seen anything like this before.
1879222;1544402433;asciilifeform;if mircea_popescu says she's 3digit when speaking, and only like-so when writing, i'ma believe
1879223;1544402448;mircea_popescu;doesn't seem credible, does it.
1879224;1544402460;asciilifeform;but only will believe cuz mircea_popescu aint in the habit of making'em up
1879225;1544402463;asciilifeform;otherwise could not
1879226;1544402472;trinque;mircea_popescu: this really adds to the lulz re chorus of bois begging her to say they aren't inadequate.
1879227;1544402488;mircea_popescu;you know ?!
1879228;1544402509;asciilifeform;trinque: mircea_popescu must've lured away the 1 gurl in that nowhere town or sumthing close
1879229;1544402528;mircea_popescu;boys nothing, there's this 40something moron with a collection of "slaves" ie confused girlies on xanax, and so on. heck, danielpbarron is saving her also, apparently.
1879230;1544402531;mircea_popescu;irony of ironies.
1879231;1544402539;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform she's from chicago.
1879232;1544402547;danielpbarron;i can't save anyone
1879233;1544402568;mircea_popescu;well, i can.
1879234;1544402596;danielpbarron;not from eternal destruction you can't
1879235;1544402597;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i went to chicago coupla times in recent yrz on snoring saecular biz, it was astonishingly fulla ragged bums ( and a++ gilged age bldgs, in pretty sad states of decay )
1879236;1544402609;trinque;danielpbarron: don't you have nothing to do over a case of coors somewhere?
1879237;1544402612;mircea_popescu;from anything there is.
1879238;1544402623;trinque;asciilifeform: can find girl who was never forced to write anything in any city in USA
1879239;1544402633;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform still, 4th largest us metro area or some shit, i forget.
1879240;1544402642;asciilifeform;trinque: iirc this one was a bureaucrat even, somewhere
1879241;1544402661;mircea_popescu;trinque all they fucking do all day is write, you kidding me ? they work in an office, what else is there to do in an office besides writing ?
1879242;1544402672;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'powerpoint'
1879243;1544402679;mircea_popescu;still takes words ooooohhh
1879244;1544402679;trinque;sure, typing
1879245;1544402693;mircea_popescu;destroys any notion of narrative structure, doesn't it. "bulletpoints"
1879246;1544402701;asciilifeform;it's 'writing' like painting bridges is 'oil painting'
1879247;1544402713;trinque;thing's full of the 'gist' of whichever thoughts she had all lined up in head
1879248;1544402717;mircea_popescu;right, "bridge does perspective all by itself"
1879249;1544402737;mircea_popescu;thank you two, i had nfi what was going on.
1879250;1544402781;*;trinque tips hat
1879251;1544402826;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-08#1564305
1879252;1544402826;a111;Logged on 2016-11-08 19:50 mircea_popescu: +30 iq points from #trilema
1879253;1544402884;asciilifeform;and waiwat wat was this re danielpbarron 'saving', i missed a thread ?!
1879254;1544402897;danielpbarron;i commented on the article
1879255;1544402902;asciilifeform;aaaa
1879256;1544402929;*;asciilifeform was deep in the midst of an algebraic headache for 48+ hrs, only nao getting out
1879257;1544402953;mircea_popescu;nicoleci start reading here : http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-10#1879221
1879258;1544402953;a111;Logged on 2018-12-10 00:39 mircea_popescu: in other lulz, the chick's something else. she loses like 40-50 iq points in writing. orally she's almost promising ; then she decides she's gonna write up an article, has a pretty decent idea for one, gets to work and what comes out is barely fit for jr high. i've never seen anything like this before.
1879259;1544402982;mircea_popescu;and thank the good fellows, they've saved me! it turns out your problem is that you're trying to "select the gist" of your thoughts, and paste it in.
1879260;1544403014;mircea_popescu;this is a very broken approach to writing -- thoughts have to flow from one another, in a constructed, harmonious whole. you're supposed to delineate the relations as well as the "gists".
1879261;1544403041;mircea_popescu;there's no such thing as a "gist" anyway, not anymore than "niche" or "equality" or any other of a grosse pantsuit manic moronicities.
1879262;1544403070;mircea_popescu;in fact, if trilema the blog is dedicated to anything as a literary exercise, it would be very plainly "there's no such thing as gists".
1879263;1544403199;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: meanwhile in world of... games -- asciilifeform recently had chance to put on 1 of those '3d' welding-mask display things. surprisingly good optics nao. would be interesting in eulora perhaps
1879264;1544403214;mircea_popescu;why ?
1879265;1544403222;mircea_popescu;eulora very thought-based, there's bots there's things.
1879266;1544403249;asciilifeform;orthogonal to the thoughts
1879267;1544403267;mircea_popescu;yeah but i mean, it's not like i have tons of art looking for ways to ease public consumption thereof.
1879268;1544403272;asciilifeform;it's entertaining in strictly 'oh hey they threw brick and i can watch it hit my face' etc visceral thing.
1879269;1544403278;mircea_popescu;in fact, vice-versa, been trying to hire artists for half a decade.
1879270;1544403308;asciilifeform;worx pretty well even with 1980s 'battlezone'-style graphics.
1879271;1544403325;asciilifeform;i spat at the idea, but was pleasantly surprised when actually tried.
1879272;1544403372;mircea_popescu;well, why not i guess.
1879273;1544403434;asciilifeform;the joystick that came with the thing suxxx tho
1879274;1544403444;asciilifeform;apparently those went to shit while asciilifeform slept in his cave
1879275;1544403671;asciilifeform;also annoying triangular pixels, i have nfi who thought that was good idea
1879276;1544403726;*;asciilifeform bbl, petting pet, then moar maffs
1879277;1544403812;mircea_popescu;nicoleci cat got your tongue ?
1879278;1544404006;nicoleci;mircea_popescu, no sorry just taking it all in
1879279;1544404006;lobbesbot;nicoleci: Sent 3 weeks, 5 days, 2 hours, and 59 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> s/chipher/cipher , s/Bansky/Banksy , plz
1879280;1544404007;lobbesbot;nicoleci: Sent 3 weeks, 0 days, 17 hours, and 35 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> I raise your 103 words with a story http://bimbo.club/?p=82&cpage=1#comment-35
1879281;1544404022;nicoleci;not always great to do the unbelievable
1879282;1544416603;feedbot;http://danielpbarron.com/2018/grace-peace-to-you-and-yours/ << Daniel P. Barron -- Grace & Peace to you and yours.
1879283;1544418537;trinque;on the subject of struggles to emulate stupid, danielpbarron I can't imagine what this post is meant to convey.
1879284;1544418561;trinque;couple of old women talking about who said the bad?
1879285;1544418663;danielpbarron;for one, it shows how "offensive language" can be a barrier to spreading the truth. additionally, it exposes that guy in particular as being a false christian
1879286;1544419248;trinque;this solipsistic head-arse system is shaped quite like gabriel_laddel by now.
1879287;1544419269;trinque;any projects other than getting blocked by derps on twitter?
1879288;1544419386;trinque;danielpbarron: here's a question. on the glorious day after everyone on twitter agrees, falls before lord jesus, etc., what next?
1879289;1544419575;danielpbarron;next would be, Christ rules the earth for one thousand years
1879290;1544420108;trinque;pats danielpbarron on the back for his twitter posts?
1879291;1544420175;trinque;"Well done, good and faithful servant, retweeted"
1879292;1544420262;danielpbarron;i would be taken up in the rapture before then, hopefully
1879293;1544420287;danielpbarron;or died, and gone to the kingdom of God
1879294;1544420414;danielpbarron;the Word is to be preached in all places, be it on the street or on twitter. And afterwards, it makes for blog content.
1879295;1544420432;danielpbarron;is it really so much different than sending messages on kinky dating sites?
1879296;1544421023;mircea_popescu;technically speaking, it's not "really so much different" from finnegans wake, either.
1879297;1544421025;mircea_popescu;or the phonebook.
1879298;1544421367;mircea_popescu;i suppose the problem could be stated as "yes, sex is universally interesting, being a fundamental human behaviour ; whereas religion is universally uninteresting, being fundamentally indistinguishable from gossip."
1879299;1544421964;mircea_popescu;and not even gossip is all made the same. when i drop http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-04#1878182 it falls like a bomb because biographic minutia and "then he said"s of newton and taylor are still interesting -- these are somebodies, people who described actual, verifiable properties of defined abstracts, and so people marginally care whether they took showers or baths and so on.
1879300;1544421964;a111;Logged on 2018-12-04 00:34 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1878046 << you're in luck, i have it for you right here : http://archive.is/Tqi6j#selection-2159.124794-2159.124944
1879301;1544421964;mircea_popescu;meanwhile some hurr about moses or abraham or whatever... these aren't somebodies. they're nobodies, did nothing, contributed nothing, i care about as much as to what abraham spawned out of which women as i care whether obama's ugly mother spit him out a week before or a week after they left kenya city harbor.
1879302;1544421964;mircea_popescu;any of that make sense to you ?
1879303;1544422013;danielpbarron;the truth of the Bible is universally known; to call it uninteresting is to make a fool of yourself
1879304;1544422054;mircea_popescu;universally known my foot, most nobody ever read it, or could be bothered to.
1879305;1544422084;mircea_popescu;the number 9 is not universally known, what hope's left for jesus or w/e action figurine.
1879306;1544422117;danielpbarron;Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and
1879307;1544422123;danielpbarron;Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
1879308;1544422165;mircea_popescu;o brother.
1879309;1544422178;mircea_popescu;wouldja stop with that, you'll end up devoiced.
1879310;1544427109;feedbot;http://bimbo.club/?p=101 << Bimbo.Club -- We made it to 100!
1879311;1544427343;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform, BingoBoingo: here's the accounting-side statement for november: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Xfsgf/?raw=true . production of these numbers is largely automatic, the stitching together is largely manual. now that i've coughed up november's numbers, i'll go back and apply this methodology to regenerating september and october statements, in the process identifying the bits to mechanize for future
1879312;1544427345;ben_vulpes;robo-production, or ripe for surfacing through mp-wp.
1879313;1544427420;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: couldn't get your pg to work; psql shits out with "symbol not found"
1879314;1544427551;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-16#1835094 << i did not know that statically-compiled mysql was solved; is it?
1879315;1544427551;a111;Logged on 2018-07-16 16:44 mircea_popescu: diana_coman note that "binary identity" is not even necessary a premise. you can go "hey shithead, why the fuck are you linking dynamic mysql when there's been a static one for five years". or w/e.
1879316;1544429377;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-09#1879168 - it seems it's actually the ..vdiff that is borked on that laptop, ugh; I'll have to look into it and sort that out first
1879317;1544429377;a111;Logged on 2018-12-09 18:50 diana_coman: will do and report back when it finishes - probably I get to see it in ~12 hours from now though
1879318;1544429408;diana_coman;anyway, trinque your script is actually doing the right thing as far as I can tell for now
1879319;1544434804;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-03#1857602 -> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ax0HY/?raw=true
1879320;1544434804;a111;Logged on 2018-10-03 13:49 asciilifeform: diana_coman: interesting ; any idea re contents ?
1879321;1544434852;diana_coman;I just left a tcpdump running and it seems to have gotten 428k of those over 2 months
1879322;1544449468;diana_coman;and for added lolol: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/IajKh/?raw=true
1879323;1544449664;diana_coman;ftr that is from running the cuntoo script on a different machine - apparently I managed to find a configuration that breaks it; I'll have to see what exactly is the difference that breaks it
1879324;1544450787;diana_coman;trinque, after fixing my vdiff on the laptop, I re-run the cuntoo script; it finished fine and it produced a 4.7M genesis.vpatch but the sig does NOT verify ("BAD signature")
1879325;1544450810;diana_coman;let me know if there is some specific info I can provide to help re diff perhaps
1879326;1544451929;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes that was a putative as-to-the-eventual-future discussion. i'm not aware we have static lamp, though it's not yet clear it strictly can't be done.
1879327;1544451969;diana_coman;we don't have, no; afaik it hasn't been actually tried as such, so possibly doable, no idea
1879328;1544452040;mircea_popescu; * IMPORTANT: config file '/etc/hosts' needs updating. << da fuck is that.
1879329;1544452143;diana_coman;I read it as "more of those 'you should prefer that' " so I ignored it entirely; from what I saw, current gentoo whines similarly of all sorts and in copious quantities
1879330;1544454426;mircea_popescu;heh
1879331;1544455113;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-10#1879321 << this is pretty interesting. diana_coman if you have time plz post the trimmed dump bin
1879332;1544455113;a111;Logged on 2018-12-10 09:40 diana_coman: I just left a tcpdump running and it seems to have gotten 428k of those over 2 months
1879333;1544455190;mircea_popescu;psa : one point of mp-wp people might not be familiar with is the feed encoding. like here : http://bimbo.club/?feed=rss2 ; that leading "OTIxMjQ0NTYxMTJ8MTc5LjUwLjIyNi4xNjE=" encodes the ip of the caller. if you get your feeds republished (often done by spammers ), you de-base the string and can ban the scrapper by ip.
1879334;1544455206;mircea_popescu;not perfect solution, but it's what it is.
1879335;1544456285;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-10#1879324 << interesting, please paste or upload so I can diff with mine.
1879336;1544456285;a111;Logged on 2018-12-10 14:06 diana_coman: trinque, after fixing my vdiff on the laptop, I re-run the cuntoo script; it finished fine and it produced a 4.7M genesis.vpatch but the sig does NOT verify ("BAD signature")
1879337;1544456319;trinque;I'll want to root out the indeterminism in the script (timestamp? machine name?) and rerelease
1879338;1544456326;*;trinque bbl
1879339;1544456449;*;diana_coman will go now to Reading Uni to talk to students; will bbl
1879340;1544456491;mircea_popescu;o hey! have fun diana_coman
1879341;1544457583;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-10#1879328 << gentoo traditionally emits this rubbish whenever you emerge a package that takes 1 or moar new /etc configisms
1879342;1544457583;a111;Logged on 2018-12-10 14:27 mircea_popescu:  * IMPORTANT: config file '/etc/hosts' needs updating. << da fuck is that.
1879343;1544458048;mircea_popescu;ic
1879344;1544458388;trinque;yep, shows you diff of what the package wanted to do to the contents of /etc, iirc apt does same
1879345;1544458676;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: tyvm
1879346;1544458676;lobbesbot;BingoBoingo: Sent 15 hours and 40 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> iirc you were the one who set up nicoleci's mp-wp, plox to take look ?
1879347;1544458712;BingoBoingo;Will take a look at nicoleci's footnotes
1879348;1544468887;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i suspect it was operator error, meanwhile fixed. soz.
1879349;1544469103;BingoBoingo;ah, ty
1879350;1544469354;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-10#1879340 -> it actually was fun - it rankled them badly that "it's not fair" lol
1879351;1544469354;a111;Logged on 2018-12-10 15:41 mircea_popescu: o hey! have fun diana_coman
1879352;1544469371;diana_coman;I'll get around to do a write-up hopefully
1879353;1544469547;asciilifeform;diana_coman: what was the lecture about ?
1879354;1544469571;asciilifeform;( .. what was 'not fair' )
1879355;1544469595;diana_coman;asciilifeform, basically "what is bitcoin" + innovation vs subversion and I used WoT + V as examples; the WoT sparked a ton of questions
1879356;1544469603;diana_coman;I'll publish the slides and all
1879357;1544469603;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile in local spats: https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/ministra-cosse-pidio-declaracion-de-esencialidad-en-los-combustibles-2018121011041
1879358;1544469605;asciilifeform;aa
1879359;1544469699;BingoBoingo;Apparently the local stooges are leaning increasingly on essentialidad during these spats https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/un-recorrido-por-los-decretos-de-esencialidad-del-gobierno--20181210142625
1879360;1544469704;asciilifeform;diana_coman: will be interesting to see this talk !
1879361;1544469734;diana_coman;you know, I asked the prof to take at least some pictures and he was so intently following that he...forgot; had to ask him at the end to take at least 2, lol
1879362;1544469756;diana_coman;anyways, now I'm kind of curious whether any of them actually makes a key and shows up in #eulora or somewhere
1879363;1544470375;bvt;hello, i'm back in the saddle. i intend to finish the ada syscalls around next weekend (23.12)
1879364;1544470386;asciilifeform;wb bvt
1879365;1544470392;bvt;trinque: i also have problems verifying the genesis.vpatch that i got from running ./bootstrap.sh. 1 question: which exactly vdiff should i use? the one from vtools or from http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vdiff-fixes/ ?
1879366;1544470408;bvt;the genesis.vpatch from vtools vdiff is here: http://bvt-trace.net/pub/genesis.vpatch the one from sha512sum vdiff: http://bvt-trace.net/pub/genesis-sha512.vpatch
1879367;1544470439;bvt;thx asciilifeform
1879368;1544470480;mircea_popescu;diana_coman nice.
1879369;1544470523;*;asciilifeform laughed at 'bitcoin not fair' for yrs. wtf is 'fair'.
1879370;1544470550;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform whatever rando schmuck feels like. what, that's not how things go ?!@??!?
1879371;1544470571;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: yea but is there a coherent picture in the psychosis or only rng barf.
1879372;1544470578;mircea_popescu;rng barf.
1879373;1544470717;mircea_popescu;speaking of which : https://i.ibb.co/rcgdpmC/Screenshot-29.png << should be fun to see how "BDSM Liberals" take it.
1879374;1544470718;mircea_popescu;fair, rite.
1879375;1544470801;asciilifeform;avik bhattacharya << holyfuq, them?! ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-12#1682041 )
1879376;1544470801;a111;Logged on 2017-07-12 20:30 asciilifeform: is this same 'for' as when the good doktor chowdhra offered to accept nobel 'for satoshi' ?
1879377;1544470899;asciilifeform;1st time i hear of india programmer type trying to mircea_popescuate
1879378;1544472316;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-10#1879373 << They are probably going to wonder what you offer that competes with Xanax
1879379;1544472316;a111;Logged on 2018-12-10 19:38 mircea_popescu: speaking of which : https://i.ibb.co/rcgdpmC/Screenshot-29.png << should be fun to see how "BDSM Liberals" take it.
1879380;1544482856;feedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2018/12/10/my-talk-of-bitcoin-at-reading-uni/ << Ossasepia -- My Talk of Bitcoin at Reading Uni
1879381;1544482907;asciilifeform;oh hey!
1879382;1544482947;diana_coman;criticism welcome - I'll take notes for next time basically
1879383;1544483281;asciilifeform;diana_coman: the only immediate gotcha that stands out to asciilifeform's lens is that the public crypto example was rsa ( did anyone ask 'but prof. coman, bitcoin dun use rsa?' )
1879384;1544483301;asciilifeform;this is moar of a fault of bitcoin, rather than diana_coman's lecture tho..
1879385;1544483305;diana_coman;no, nobody asked
1879386;1544483322;asciilifeform;i suppose it was the usual veggie undergrad audience, then
1879387;1544483323;diana_coman;and for that matter I did not even mention rsa by name
1879388;1544483350;asciilifeform;right, not named, but clear from http://ossasepia.com/2018/12/10/my-talk-of-bitcoin-at-reading-uni/#selection-75.1-75.249
1879389;1544483360;diana_coman;they did wake up at some point and esp re the WoT - perhaps it was closer home, or perhaps it rankled more
1879390;1544483381;*;asciilifeform reads on..
1879391;1544483392;diana_coman;well yes, clear is clear for who has any idea ; but tbh I think it was the first time they really got *any* idea re crypto at all
1879392;1544483498;diana_coman;trinque, the cuntoo genesis .vpatch I got is at http://ossasepia.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/genesis_2018_12_10.vpatch
1879393;1544483509;trinque;thanks!
1879394;1544483511;diana_coman;now I'm even curious if it's the same as bvt's
1879395;1544483533;diana_coman;np, let me know if there's anything else I can provide to help
1879396;1544483604;trinque;guess what, I'm an idjit and used sha vdiff, it appears! hashes are where mine differs from diana_coman
1879397;1544483612;diana_coman;o.O
1879398;1544483620;trinque;this is encouraging though, everything else looks like a direct hit
1879399;1544483695;trinque;ah, nope, few other differences besides that. I'll work through this and report what I find.
1879400;1544483726;diana_coman;kk; meanwhile I still have on the list to figure out what's the diff that messes up the python installation thing on the other machine...
1879401;1544483778;trinque;diana_coman: that appears to be that your host machine doesn't have a /dev/shm mounted. python's build requires it, haven't investigated why
1879402;1544483782;*;asciilifeform wrapping up re-baked proof of ch.14, after that will give trinque's thing a try
1879403;1544483791;trinque;/dev/shm is a ramdisk
1879404;1544483834;asciilifeform;trinque: i think my box from last test also had no /dev/shm
1879405;1544483859;diana_coman;trinque, onth the host machine otherwise *does* have python installed, v 2.7.6 so dunno, somehow it did install it without the shm thing
1879406;1544484747;trinque;diana_coman: if gentoo, could be same python as came with your stage3; if something else, it's only required to build python, not to run it
1879407;1544484769;diana_coman;it's xubuntu, not gentoo
1879408;1544484789;trinque;ah k, that'd explain it. wasn't built there, just unpacked from package.
1879409;1544485003;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-10#1879331 -> I just looked and apparently I misspoke re number - that was counting all the UDP tests I made too, so no, overall not *that* many; at any rate, after the UDP test finished, the tcpdump kept on listening and I got this: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/oonKc/?raw=true
1879410;1544485003;a111;Logged on 2018-12-10 15:18 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-10#1879321 << this is pretty interesting. diana_coman if you have time plz post the trimmed dump bin
1879411;1544485025;diana_coman;as it's all pizarro anyway I suppose you can just set up some testing if you want more details on that
1879412;1544485131;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: at your earliest convenience, plz route all packets having unassigned ip as destionation, to the 2nd nic on dulap, i'd like to make 'radiotelescope' for martian udp there
1879413;1544485135;diana_coman;for completeness, the tcpdump cmd was this: tcpdump -i eth0 udp port 7000 -vv -X
1879414;1544485139;asciilifeform;*destination
1879415;1544485251;asciilifeform;diana_coman: interesting, all but 1 seem to be garbage from the switch ; and the remaining 1 seems to be a ... voip spam attempt
1879416;1544485263;diana_coman;aha, the "telephone adapter" thing
1879417;1544485306;asciilifeform;from... iceland, of all places
1879418;1544485311;diana_coman;lol!
1879419;1544485321;diana_coman;why not, what's wrong with iceland?!
1879420;1544485343;asciilifeform;i have heard they're tryin' to edge into the spam dc market
1879421;1544485369;asciilifeform;anybody got a voip rig ? give'em a call, 185.53.91.28:7000, see who picks up...
1879422;1544485409;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dunno, some packing peanuts engineer
1879423;1544485457;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the voip spammer ?!
1879424;1544485612;mircea_popescu;the avik dood.
1879425;1544485618;asciilifeform;aah
1879426;1544485627;mircea_popescu;i'm sorry, i'm reading the log in order lol.
1879427;1544485634;asciilifeform;lolk
1879428;1544486101;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-10#1879377 << dude's pretty lulzy, "law-of-attracted" himself being a "data architect". meanwhile works for some obscure packaging materials manufacturer.
1879429;1544486101;a111;Logged on 2018-12-10 19:41 asciilifeform: 1st time i hear of india programmer type trying to mircea_popescuate
1879430;1544486124;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what's 'law-of-attracted'
1879431;1544486143;mircea_popescu;but whatever, some people manage the cern datahose, some people count the packing peanuts, it's all numbers right.
1879432;1544486186;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform cca 2005ish packaging of the pantsuit/usgtard ideas on magic. nth rehash of the "if you think something really really hard it will be".
1879433;1544486200;asciilifeform;aa the 'fake till make' thing
1879434;1544486202;mircea_popescu;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_attraction_%28New_Thought%29
1879435;1544486226;mircea_popescu;oh this is fucking precious. behold :
1879436;1544486234;mircea_popescu;"In the New Thought philosophy, the Law of Attraction is the belief that by focusing on positive or negative thoughts, people can bring positive or negative experiences into their life.[1][2] The belief is based on the idea that people and their thoughts are both made from pure energy, and that through the process of like energy attracting like energy a person can improve their own health, wealth, and personal relationships. "
1879437;1544486242;mircea_popescu;positive and negative ENERGY, because it's not a scalar anymore.
1879438;1544486255;asciilifeform;ugh raw chukcha
1879439;1544486261;mircea_popescu;and paduche la paduche trage, because they never went to school, never heard of charge, weak nuclear force, etc.
1879440;1544486396;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-10#1879384 << she went by ye olde http://trilema.com/2011/ce-este-bitcoin/ which deliberately makes this "mistake".
1879441;1544486396;a111;Logged on 2018-12-10 23:08 asciilifeform: this is moar of a fault of bitcoin, rather than diana_coman's lecture tho..
1879442;1544486438;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-10#1879396 << lmao
1879443;1544486438;a111;Logged on 2018-12-10 23:13 trinque: guess what, I'm an idjit and used sha vdiff, it appears! hashes are where mine differs from diana_coman
1879444;1544486560;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-10#1879409 << honestly looks like usual net barfola, random broken broadcasts nad whatnot.
1879445;1544486560;a111;Logged on 2018-12-10 23:36 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-10#1879331 -> I just looked and apparently I misspoke re number - that was counting all the UDP tests I made too, so no, overall not *that* many; at any rate, after the UDP test finished, the tcpdump kept on listening and I got this: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/oonKc/?raw=true
1879446;1544486672;mircea_popescu;diana_coman "Since there is no recording of the talk" << this is kinda unfortunate. just leave a laptop with the mic going behind, you know ?
1879447;1544486716;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, from all my previous experience, that's more like an exercise in frustration afterwards
1879448;1544486720;diana_coman;as the sound is horrible at best
1879449;1544486735;mircea_popescu;hm
1879450;1544486760;diana_coman;I also move quite a lot actually, I don't tend to sit by the laptop or anything of the sort
1879451;1544486764;mircea_popescu;i usually get kinda ok ones. or got, before moving on to live dactilographist before moving on to not doing these anymore.
1879452;1544486783;mircea_popescu;yeah but i mean, even half decent mic can capture a room.
1879453;1544486829;diana_coman;but how clear; well, at any rate I can always try it again, won't hurt; I *did* consider it but remembered last time I cursed at such a "recording" and ...
1879454;1544486845;diana_coman;basically the only time it worked fine it was with a mic attached and that was it
1879455;1544486858;mircea_popescu;a lavaliere thing ?
1879456;1544486860;diana_coman;yes
1879457;1544486869;mircea_popescu;can get those too, ten bux or so, with a wireless connection.
1879458;1544486884;mircea_popescu;i dunno how into this you are, but if you like it might as well gear up.
1879459;1544486896;mircea_popescu;could also get yourself a hat put one of those car cameras on it.
1879460;1544486899;mircea_popescu;GOPRO!!!
1879461;1544486909;diana_coman;ahahaha
1879462;1544486929;diana_coman;yeah, I did not even consider getting the gear myself - if they weren't so inept re org I'd have just ask the uni to provide, wtf
1879463;1544486973;asciilifeform;speaking of optics, asciilifeform replaced the sad webcam thing bolted to the torture room iron pole with a modern-day 25megapixel thing. should make for some decent shots once i get that bolix...
1879464;1544486978;diana_coman;but yeah, it can't be that much; anyways, it's done, not as if I'm running after making presentations, ugh;
1879465;1544487042;mircea_popescu;england is ever more impressing in its somali quality.
1879466;1544487052;mircea_popescu;the good fellows of 1600'd have been ever so appaled.
1879467;1544487070;diana_coman;they probably...were already
1879468;1544487076;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: fwiw 'lapel mic' was standard issue even at asciilifeform's uni in early 2000s. so i have nfi re the brits
1879469;1544487090;mircea_popescu;2000s went away, to be replaced by 2010s and soon enough 2020s.
1879470;1544487109;mircea_popescu;diana_coman how many kids attended abouts ?
1879471;1544487122;diana_coman;~15-20
1879472;1544487136;asciilifeform;in 500 seat hall, no way in hell is prof gonna be heard without mic ( the days of profs having 'operatic' voice as job qualification are long gone )
1879473;1544487137;diana_coman;they were "supposed to be 40" I've been told afterwards
1879474;1544487150;diana_coman;neah, it was a smallish room, certainly not a 500 seat hall
1879475;1544487159;asciilifeform;aaah that'd explain why no mic
1879476;1544487173;diana_coman;basically I could have a chat with them all and I know their faces already without any trouble
1879477;1544487193;asciilifeform;i did not have many lectures like that
1879478;1544487210;diana_coman;I'd call it more of a seminar at best
1879479;1544487211;asciilifeform;possibly 'operating systems', was ~7 people
1879480;1544487236;asciilifeform;( started as coupla dozen , lol )
1879481;1544487255;diana_coman;ahahah, that was "compilers" for us
1879482;1544487269;asciilifeform;'compilers' was 10 or so iirc
1879483;1544487297;mircea_popescu;i can be heard just fine in 500 hall. and hallway. ha-HA!
1879484;1544487315;mircea_popescu;diana_coman anyway, sounds like it worked pretty well, good for you.
1879485;1544487342;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: we had a fella like that. used no mic. and would detonate a balloon with h2+o2 at the start of each session, to get folx awake
1879486;1544487346;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, that might be it re mic - while I can certainly screech if try, I usually don't; never had problems with audience not hearing me but the recording ugh
1879487;1544487385;mircea_popescu;lol hardcore.
1879488;1544487418;mircea_popescu;diana_coman honestly, the summary very acceptable, detailed and so on. just, you're missing out on a possible fanbase!
1879489;1544487434;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, I was expecting them to be even harder to get to so overall I'm quite pleased with it; now if at least one of them actually *does* something too as a result, that'd be already bonus
1879490;1544487443;diana_coman;thanks!
1879491;1544487460;diana_coman;oh, fanbase,pfuai
1879492;1544487489;mircea_popescu;nuca nu se stie niciodata.
1879493;1544487558;mircea_popescu;fwiw, /me has settled on 221 as the perfect number to build "what is asym crypto" around. experimentally, NOBODY knows it's 13 * 17 nor manages to find out.
1879494;1544487563;mircea_popescu;i dunno wtf is with it.
1879495;1544487608;diana_coman;but uhm, 13 is the 6th number max one would try; with a calc at hand, it can't take more than 2 minutes
1879496;1544487629;mircea_popescu;ah, im talking no calcs, at most napkin.
1879497;1544487648;diana_coman;well, they obv had their laptops and whatnot, so yeah, I counted on "with calcs" hence larger
1879498;1544487674;mircea_popescu;what did you end up using,
1879499;1544487678;mircea_popescu;!Qcalc  	101 *103
1879500;1544487679;lobbesbot;mircea_popescu: 10403
1879501;1544487712;mircea_popescu;!Qcalc 101 * 211
1879502;1544487712;lobbesbot;mircea_popescu: 21311
1879503;1544487718;mircea_popescu;that seems pretty good.
1879504;1544487721;diana_coman;neah, something quite large, 2179*3167
1879505;1544487735;mircea_popescu;a
1879506;1544487745;*;diana_coman tends to err on the side of "no way are they going to kill my talk on THIS"
1879507;1544487751;mircea_popescu;kek.
1879508;1544487889;diana_coman;come to think of it re 221 I don't get it; even without a calc, still: 2 no because odd, 3 no because 2+2+1=5, 5 no because 1 at end, 7 no because 21, then 11, 11 no because 22, 1, 13 takes a bit perhaps but...
1879509;1544487912;diana_coman;I kind of suspect it's either pressure on the spot or people not really used to mental maths
1879510;1544488008;mircea_popescu;13 is for some reason hard, and 221 encodes "eleven-ness" which meshes with "intelligent" people's dyslexia.
1879511;1544488027;mircea_popescu;so they spend most of the time trying to fit 11 into it, then they lose it.
1879512;1544488053;diana_coman;uhm, eleven-ness was 232 sort of thing i.e. ..ah, I see vs 223
1879513;1544488076;mircea_popescu;it's just disproportionately hard. psychological benefit, what can you do.
1879514;1544488080;diana_coman;that yes
1879515;1544488088;diana_coman;it certainly is the first "jump"
1879516;1544488111;mircea_popescu;(yes, i'm kinda fishing for someone to go "it's 13 x 17 and you know, you're cheating by picking these, illustrating human stupidity not objective hardness".)
1879517;1544488126;diana_coman;heh
1879518;1544488130;mircea_popescu;that person, could be sent to qatar, as it were.
1879519;1544488139;mircea_popescu;diana_coman hey, if you don't ask one million morons "how about you..." ...
1879520;1544488158;diana_coman;eulora-style, "get lucky"
1879521;1544488170;mircea_popescu;BITCOIN RULES EVERYTING AROUND ME!!!1
1879522;1544488488;BingoBoingo;And so the Peruana has returned from from Argentina with stories of "Todo es mas linda ahí, hay subte..."
1879523;1544488523;BingoBoingo;Entonces "Las computadoras pesan mucha y no hay buen lugares por las computadoras en Argentina"
1879524;1544489039;BingoBoingo;And today I learned there is a "Highland" in Indiana too
1879525;1544489845;mircea_popescu;keks.
1879526;1544489854;mircea_popescu;mas lindo eh
1879527;1544489901;*;asciilifeform actually agrees there, buenosaires arch is palpably moar 'white man' than in BingoBoingostan imho. 'while supplies last'.
1879528;1544489953;asciilifeform;( iirc mircea_popescu had a photo of argentine orc clothesline slowly pulling the nose off a gargoyle or sumthing to that effect )
1879529;1544490171;BingoBoingo;Anyways, now I have to explain she was seeing Argentina's version of my barrio trying to compensate for its lack of beach, while Argentina in general is more like her barrio.
1879530;1544490291;BingoBoingo;Anyways, Barrio Carrasco where the expo was is considerably in the White Suburban style. Drive-thrus and parking lots everywhere
1879531;1544490771;BingoBoingo;Anyways, the architecture here has its own charm.
1879532;1544490803;BingoBoingo;Kinda like Fallout happened IRL and here's this city on the edge of the world the missed out
1879533;1544491226;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 'white man arch' is pointedly not 'suburban drivethrough', but is e.g. http://www.loper-os.org/pub/wma.jpg
1879534;1544491303;BingoBoingo;There's entire streets in barrio sur and Palermo built like that
1879535;1544491325;asciilifeform;i saw a coupla also
1879536;1544491330;BingoBoingo;Except the A/A on the balconito would be Panavox
1879537;1544491338;asciilifeform;but asciilifeform's traditional heuristic is 'what % of city loox like that'
1879538;1544491369;asciilifeform;( in usa, typically 0 )
1879539;1544491376;BingoBoingo;During your trip we didn't have much occasion to venture into the AfroUruguayo barro or the old city
1879540;1544491397;asciilifeform;they surrendered their decent arch to 'afro' ?!
1879541;1544491417;asciilifeform;for shame.
1879542;1544491421;BingoBoingo;Nah, they built that arch in designated afro barrio from the start
1879543;1544491455;BingoBoingo;It lacks beach and thusly gets to stay afro barrio
1879544;1544491499;BingoBoingo;Then in the center of most barrios there's a historical core surviving from when the barrios were wee little towns
1879545;1544491545;asciilifeform;'panavox' >> lol!! durasell!
1879546;1544491554;asciilifeform;parasonic!
1879547;1544491559;BingoBoingo;But most everything outside of this photo's coverage is post 1920's construction, and post 1950's especially http://bingology.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/DAG/1.jpg
1879548;1544491585;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: yea i saw 0 from that tower that passed isCivilized()
1879549;1544491601;asciilifeform;maybe half a church, somewhere
1879550;1544491638;asciilifeform;it beats the shit out of cr, seems like, tho, ~errything mircea_popescu posted outside of own house looked iirc like ~africa
1879551;1544491655;BingoBoingo;The churches are how you evaluate whether a barrio was once a town or if it is a new espansion favela
1879552;1544491708;asciilifeform;far as asciilifeform goes, if it dun have a carriage gate built to 18th c spec, it's favela
1879553;1544491764;BingoBoingo;There's quite of few of those within a couple blocks of the habitation unit
1879554;1544491784;asciilifeform;laugh if ya like, but i can even distinguish 'correct' bldgs by... smell
1879555;1544491803;asciilifeform;they have a smell ( typically gotta walk in the front gate, but sometimes can even test right outside )
1879556;1544491823;BingoBoingo;What are you smelling for or against?
1879557;1544491827;asciilifeform;for
1879558;1544491833;asciilifeform;but can't put finger on precisely what.
1879559;1544491894;asciilifeform;when i was in timis i walked around and, among other things... smelled the houses. it passed litmus. ( even tho last time i smelled the magic smell was 25y ago ! )
1879560;1544491940;asciilifeform;i dun know precisely what is in it, prolly aging plaster, wood, flats fulla old b00kz..
1879561;1544492006;asciilifeform;i dun think there's anywhere in e.g. usa where you could smell it, even if it were there you couldn't pick it up past the exhaust gas and garbage
1879562;1544492011;BingoBoingo;Well, the big stylstic difference between new and old country is the lack of pitch on these roofs
1879563;1544492031;asciilifeform;i bet pitch also in that cocktail.
1879564;1544492059;BingoBoingo;I mean as in angle, no way the local homes could take much snow
1879565;1544492070;asciilifeform;oh hm
1879566;1544492094;asciilifeform;afaik it dun snow in BingoBoingostan tho
1879567;1544492110;BingoBoingo;It doesn't snow here often
1879568;1544492134;BingoBoingo;There's a couple places near the Brasilero border that do see the occasional pulgada of the white stuff
1879569;1544492339;*;asciilifeform bbl,meat
1879570;1544492535;mircea_popescu;mold lol.
1879571;1544492777;BingoBoingo;But civilized mold!
1879572;1544498050;*;asciilifeform spent yrs in mold-infested flats in usa, these smelled nuffing at all like civilization at any point
1879573;1544498880;mircea_popescu;ah, but there's such a thing as a noble mold.
1879574;1544500433;asciilifeform;roquefort penicillum , if you will, for buildings ? i can picture.
1879575;1544500696;mircea_popescu;aha.
1879576;1544500717;mircea_popescu;many of such exist. hence caciocavallo caves and so on.
1879577;1544507046;feedbot;http://bimbo.club/?p=102 << Bimbo.Club -- TMSR Log Summary - 11/19/2018
1879578;1544543841;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/12/after-a-weekend-in-hiding-macron-emerges-from-his-hole-to-piss-people-off-again/ << Qntra -- After A Weekend In Hiding Macron Emerges From His Hole To Piss People Off Again
1879579;1544547084;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/12/congo-ebola-outbreak-continues-spreading/ << Qntra -- Congo Ebola Outbreak Continues Spreading
1879580;1544547973;trinque;where is the environmentalist outcry for nuking the congo, I ask.
1879581;1544548019;asciilifeform;a+++ q
1879582;1544548041;asciilifeform;( and finally a 'killer app' for that airburst neutron-optimized warhead.. )
1879583;1544548092;asciilifeform;possibly tricky from technical pov, tho, you dun wanna disperse
1879584;1544548607;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in the daily luls, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Xmj4x/?raw=true
1879585;1544548638;mircea_popescu;if it's not evident by now, there's pretty strong statistical correlation between loud, outspoken, militant idiocy and skin tone.
1879586;1544548667;mircea_popescu;mulatto chicks as a fenotype provide the members of the remarkable stupid chick group almost exclusively.
1879587;1544548712;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: from personal observation -- seems that they're the pantsuit vanguard
1879588;1544548755;mircea_popescu;do you recall the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759568 discussion ?
1879589;1544548755;a111;Logged on 2017-12-28 14:27 mircea_popescu: there is no, strictly speaking, reason that iron MUST be provided on the surface of a planet just like the earth. it ~could~, very well, have simply gone through a place poor in planetoids and ended up entirely iron free on the surface. but it did not.
1879590;1544548763;asciilifeform;aha?
1879591;1544548765;mircea_popescu;i am by now well persuaded that this is a place where it ~didn't~ happen.
1879592;1544548801;asciilifeform;plox to expand?
1879593;1544548805;mircea_popescu;specifically, the ~notion~, bereft of any meat, as a skeletal abstraction only, that "mixing improves overal outcomes" ran into the reality that the only available alternative to white man's culture is nation-of-africa powered militant idiocy.
1879594;1544548839;mircea_popescu;ie, industrialization worked because it's a good idea ~and also~ because there was coal AND iron available superficially. and where the latter not satisfied, such as aztec empire, not worked.
1879595;1544548868;mircea_popescu;meanwhile multiculturalism failed not on the merits of the idea, but because there is no iron whatsoever to be had. it's either white man culture or stupidity highway.
1879596;1544548890;mircea_popescu;and in this sense, the opponents of multiculturalism are deeply fucktarded (as the proponents see them) in attempting to argue the merits.
1879597;1544548904;asciilifeform;where wouldja put the confucian rice kingdoms in this scheme ?
1879598;1544548913;mircea_popescu;the merits don't matter, the problem is that literally, there.is.nothing.else.possible.
1879599;1544548918;mircea_popescu;in the failures.
1879600;1544548927;mircea_popescu;china exists briefly today for copying white man culture.
1879601;1544548936;mircea_popescu;at no other point did it exist to any degree.
1879602;1544548954;mircea_popescu;a large, bureaucratic state existed before -- incas had it too. it is not a success just because it gets a lot of cows to be docile.
1879603;1544548976;asciilifeform;from my perch seems like the rice people are pretty good at copying the irons while discarding the derrida.
1879604;1544548980;mircea_popescu;it becomes a success when "the iron! my god, the iron!" say the locals upon beholding the franks.
1879605;1544549002;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in exactly the sense snow you piss on "is pretty good at copying the color while discarding the wetness".
1879606;1544549009;mircea_popescu;coincidence of coincidentals.
1879607;1544549054;asciilifeform;betcha that's exactly what montezuma said 'you got cannon, yea whatever, coincidence of coincidentals'
1879608;1544549071;mircea_popescu;yes. but montezuma has no idea what he's talking about.
1879609;1544549114;mircea_popescu;if you'd be right, we'd have discovered a #trilema not twice the size (as yellow man pop vs white man pop) but >20 times the size (because hey, efficiency, yes ?). and by size i do not mean headcount.
1879610;1544549116;mircea_popescu;where's it ?
1879611;1544549143;asciilifeform;'where are the rembrandts' eh
1879612;1544549149;mircea_popescu;seems to me they're mining our coin. just like before.
1879613;1544549187;asciilifeform;entirely possible, given available data
1879614;1544549190;*;mircea_popescu could certainly be wrong ; but it certainly couldn't be the case that i'd be wrong in such a way "as nobody could ever know".
1879615;1544549208;asciilifeform;( but also possible that asian trilema is in fact 50x bigger and reading and laughing at the lot of us as we speak )
1879616;1544549230;asciilifeform;y'know, sorta like it did in 1500s
1879617;1544549233;mircea_popescu;and what's the eggcartons made out of, that they stapled to their walls, so we don't hear the trills ?
1879618;1544549251;asciilifeform;hieroglyphosphere is pretty opaque to the unarmed euro eye.
1879619;1544549264;mircea_popescu;yet there WAS a guy translating trilema for his chinese friends
1879620;1544549271;mircea_popescu;and by "a guy" i mean a whole community on a forum somewhere.
1879621;1544549295;asciilifeform;all i can add , is that i get a coupla MB of phuctor traffic from cn on a typical day.
1879622;1544549299;mircea_popescu;none of these 50x population feel pete_d-like enough to come here and daze us with their stolen fare ?
1879623;1544549306;asciilifeform;none of'em.
1879624;1544549316;asciilifeform;yet they're reading.
1879625;1544549316;mircea_popescu;isn't this by now a sort of "evolution never happened" ?
1879626;1544549331;asciilifeform;nah it's moar of a 'planet x' affair.
1879627;1544549334;mircea_popescu;"it's not nuclear force, it's phlogiston i'm telling you" ?
1879628;1544549357;mircea_popescu;seems to be an alternative theory pretty badly handicapped by available data/experience.
1879629;1544549399;asciilifeform;!#s silence of sirens
1879630;1544549399;a111;2 results for "silence of sirens", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=silence%20of%20sirens
1879631;1544549429;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1855089 <
1879632;1544549429;a111;Logged on 2018-09-27 20:21 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1855078 << trickier item. recall 'the song of the sirens, some have escaped, but their silence -- no one' . how to deal with 'but ~was~ it in the l0gz'.
1879633;1544549431;mircea_popescu;but these'd not be sirens. see, this is the problem, we're not talking "lone mystical creature". if ants had nuclear weapons, ants or no ants we'd have found out by now.
1879634;1544549455;mircea_popescu;even if not necessarily found out by interrogating ant.
1879635;1544549511;asciilifeform;ants prolly not, but for all i know, ~bees~ do. ( 'mysterious' fungus wiping out colonies could very well be 'bee nuke', spread 'deliberately', supposing they could... )
1879636;1544549532;mircea_popescu;i am not talking "Bee nuke". i am talking nuke, the actual physical item as reality permits.
1879637;1544549543;asciilifeform;the no
1879638;1544549546;asciilifeform;*then
1879639;1544549558;mircea_popescu;i'm sure there's 500000 teenaged boys all over nation of africa having "alt mp". heck, nicoleci found one.
1879640;1544549561;asciilifeform;tho i'll point out that cn nuke is half century old.
1879641;1544549571;mircea_popescu;and a ru copy.
1879642;1544549579;mircea_popescu;russians almost count as white :D
1879643;1544549593;asciilifeform;by same token as ru nuke is ameri-copy
1879644;1544549606;asciilifeform;devil is always in the implementation details.
1879645;1544549606;mircea_popescu;i am unconvinced.
1879646;1544549623;asciilifeform;witness, for instance, FG schems published for 2 yrs (!) as of , what, last week, still no known copies
1879647;1544549636;mircea_popescu;see, here's how it is : two white man tribes, consisting of "the germans that stayed home" and "the germans that went over ocean" finally got together and built nuke, at the time highest mankind achievement.
1879648;1544549649;mircea_popescu;then ~group~ of wanna-be german rus' tribe copied the item. AS A GROUP.
1879649;1544549662;mircea_popescu;then ~lone man~ of wanna-be rus' yellow man copied item.
1879650;1544549666;mircea_popescu;very different copying.
1879651;1544549713;mircea_popescu;russkis understood what it is they;'re copying and why. chinese -- neve rdid. in this sense, chinese copied nuke like russians copied ics.
1879652;1544549736;asciilifeform;btw funnily enuff , the 'germans who sailed' ended up having to copy the (droppable) fusion n00k, rather than vice versa.
1879653;1544549752;mircea_popescu;so it is.
1879654;1544549767;asciilifeform;( usa's item , recall, used liquid H2 and was building-sized loltron )
1879655;1544549785;mircea_popescu;hence my comment.
1879656;1544549797;mircea_popescu;whereas recall your cries of "chinese own ... windows fab stack" ? well ?
1879657;1544549801;mircea_popescu;the difference is markedly there.
1879658;1544549810;asciilifeform;that there's actually the best evidence for mircea_popescu's version
1879659;1544549842;asciilifeform;i'm unequipped to say whether cn 'understood nuke', but the apparent total absence of indigenous cpu arch does tell tales
1879660;1544549858;mircea_popescu;and more generally, this "if birds were clouds, there'd be winds of shit" type of argument in insescapable.
1879661;1544549865;mircea_popescu;"what if" is not statically typed.
1879662;1544550024;asciilifeform;jp (1890-1945) was arguably better example. went from 'wooden civ' to, e.g., world's biggest+fastest battleship, h2o2-powered submarine, all sortsa goodies that quite solidly demonstrated 'yes first copied, then grasped, white man's tech' , until nailed by confederacy of anglodunces
1879663;1544550060;asciilifeform;( and then ~replay~, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1876942 )
1879664;1544550060;a111;Logged on 2018-12-01 00:38 asciilifeform: jp was a hair's width away from picking up the torch that anglotardistan dropped, and anglos knew this, and so in late '80s they engineered an economic implosion for'em
1879665;1544550068;mircea_popescu;japan is certainly reserved case of non-white white men. toyota 1970s takeover of auto industry imo even better example than their (certainly present, and certainly respectable 1880-1920 marine innovations)
1879666;1544550087;asciilifeform;iirc mircea_popescu even had a piece on subj, re 'honour culture'
1879667;1544550097;mircea_popescu;possibly applies, yes.
1879668;1544550134;mircea_popescu;amusingly enough though, to the same sort of casual examination that passes semites (eg, jews) for "white", japanese also pass.
1879669;1544550146;*;asciilifeform not entirely unbiased observer, somewhat of jp aficionado for many yrs, tho grasp of lang is still on ~1st-grader level
1879670;1544550169;asciilifeform;hieroglyphs are a bitch.
1879671;1544550188;mircea_popescu;imagine if they didn't end up with broken alphabet, like morons.
1879672;1544550193;asciilifeform;worse
1879673;1544550199;mircea_popescu;hm ?
1879674;1544550229;asciilifeform;they have not 1 but ~2~ working alphabets. and repeatedly tried to phase out hieros, most recently under mcarthur
1879675;1544550249;mircea_popescu;any alphabet > octetsize is broken by that very fact.
1879676;1544550249;asciilifeform;but so far only managed to cut down the stroke #
1879677;1544550255;mircea_popescu;they shoulda had ascii, ended up with unicode
1879678;1544550258;mircea_popescu;80iq penalty.
1879679;1544550286;mircea_popescu;they ~deserved~ the wiping out by confederacy of proper alphabet dunces. to make the point forever fucking plain -- IF YOU UNICODE, you will die for it.
1879680;1544550300;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: hiragana has 46 symbols.
1879681;1544550303;mircea_popescu;"nothing else you do right can ever fix that one thing you did wrong. nothing."
1879682;1544550320;*;asciilifeform has the kbd even.
1879683;1544550349;asciilifeform;they 'fixed' in the 9th century . problem as usual is the entrenched mass of 'i had to hieroglyph, so let the son also'
1879684;1544550352;mircea_popescu;afaik that's not free stganding
1879685;1544550368;asciilifeform;freestanding. one can write the whole lang in it.
1879686;1544550379;asciilifeform;but 'wouldn't do, not for troo scholar' (tm)
1879687;1544550428;mircea_popescu;i dunno, afaik it's how they write particles and things, but as an aid to the idiotic uselesness of "proper" writing, not by itself.
1879688;1544550432;*;mircea_popescu not subj expert.
1879689;1544550439;asciilifeform;mcarthur tried to ban hieroglyphs, it went nowhere, sorta how peter I was able to cut the 30 redundant greek chars from ru alphabet, but still left 6 or so turds
1879690;1544550471;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in 'standard' jp, they use hiragana as adjunct to the sadglyphs, yes
1879691;1544550510;asciilifeform;but for text entry they have hiragana kbd, given as 100% of lang can be coded in it, the hieroglyph desk-sized lolkeyboard of 1900s fame vanished with introduction of microcomp
1879692;1544550513;mircea_popescu;well, what are we talking about ? "that they could have" ? of fucking course could have.
1879693;1544550526;asciilifeform;for e.g. children's books, they already encode in 100% 46.
1879694;1544550544;asciilifeform;so it's rather different situation than cn, which actually escaped inventing alphabet for 5000yrs
1879695;1544550572;mircea_popescu;i suppose.
1879696;1544550573;asciilifeform;jp could cancel hieroglyphs tonight, if (dunno) emperor is put back on throne and wants to peter-the-great.
1879697;1544550622;asciilifeform;i've spoken with jp folk, they see the notion as roughly similar to how anglos see orlol's phonetic alphabet thing
1879698;1544550630;asciilifeform;'how will we test for idiocy then'
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1879703;1544550833;mircea_popescu;yeah, right, "how will females test for fitness", i gotta wear italian pagliacci pointed shoes and generally http://trilema.com/2016/the-%D0%BA%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%81-bdsm-party/#footnote_0_68337
1879704;1544550851;mircea_popescu;because totally, that's what i'm going to spend my resources on. passing tests the females came up with.
1879705;1544550854;mircea_popescu;what the everloving fuck ?!
1879706;1544550907;asciilifeform;'qwerty problem'
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1879708;1544550963;asciilifeform;lol complete with mystery uniturds
1879709;1544550968;mircea_popescu;chicks as white as the http://trilema.com/2016/tangerine/#selection-77.0-77.504 wonder.
1879710;1544550989;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform im not reading all that, but i also don't believe i need to.
1879711;1544551165;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-11#1879580 << i don't get it, why would you nuke it ?
1879712;1544551165;a111;Logged on 2018-12-11 17:06 trinque: where is the environmentalist outcry for nuking the congo, I ask.
1879713;1544552097;asciilifeform;speaking of virology, did mircea_popescu ever do piece on polio ?
1879714;1544552183;asciilifeform;( likbez : man is the only known reservoir. and spread in shit. prior to mid 20th c, vanishingly rare, cuz damn near errybody inoculated through exposure to ~some~ liquishit in water. then suddenly ~0 shit-eating, among the industrial city folx, and thing appears on epidemiological map )
1879715;1544552587;mircea_popescu;never did, no. tho during wartime romania it was THE luxury.
1879716;1544552591;mircea_popescu;"get kids polio vaccination"
1879717;1544553457;trinque;I'll admit it was a knee-jerk reaction to the zombie bioreactor. Possibly there are much better ways to shut it down.
1879718;1544553642;*;asciilifeform currently in a bout of rage re the retardation of html, where formatting a kindergarten-level equation takes hrs and still dun satisfy
1879719;1544553724;asciilifeform;i refuse to use bitmaps for the matholade in ffa, cuz retarded ( not searchable + looks like shit on 3 out of 4 people's displays no matter what you do )
1879720;1544553754;asciilifeform;so tryin' to stick as close as can be to plain ascii, as seen in e.g. http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2753#selection-1213.75-1299.2
1879721;1544553773;asciilifeform;but items like floor/ceiling, fractions, etc still look like rubbish
1879722;1544553831;asciilifeform;e.g. http://www.loper-os.org/pub/uglymaths.html
1879723;1544553873;asciilifeform;if anybody knows how to make these prettier without resorting to bitmapisms or javascript, or ~anything~ platformistic, plox to write in
1879724;1544553918;asciilifeform;( before suggest 'mathml' -- asciilifeform dun have a browser which displays it, and suspects that nobody here does either )
1879725;1544553964;asciilifeform;^ mircea_popescu , ben_vulpes , trinque , bvt , any serious wwwists in audience, plox to chime in ^
1879726;1544554033;trinque;eh, not like I'm *recommending* it, but do you have something that'll grunt out an SVG?
1879727;1544554053;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah. a sec.
1879728;1544554063;asciilifeform;considered svg. but text-based browsers afaik dun eat it.
1879729;1544554101;asciilifeform;( whereas http://www.loper-os.org/pub/uglymaths.html actually displays in, e.g., lynx, just fine )
1879730;1544554117;trinque;right
1879731;1544554121;asciilifeform;or, hrm, still loses the floor()
1879732;1544554134;mircea_popescu;ima fix it for you, but it will take longert than a moment because ima take the opportunity to write trilema article explain how to use html for maffs.
1879733;1544554144;asciilifeform;aite, a++++
1879734;1544554151;asciilifeform;i'm not in terrible hurry
1879735;1544554224;asciilifeform;i considered to use ansi drawing chars for the floor, that'd prolly do it
1879736;1544554410;asciilifeform;came up entirely empty when looked for how to make the parens appropriate height tho.
1879737;1544558488;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2018/how-to-html-math/#selection-49.0-233.1 << satisfactory ?
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1879755;1544559067;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it turns to rubbish in 'lynx'
1879756;1544559068;asciilifeform;try it
1879757;1544559110;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo nfi. diana_coman what are we doing here ?
1879758;1544559155;asciilifeform;as for the parens, floor, etc, ugh, i dun want'em wide, i want'em ~tall~
1879759;1544559156;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how would this work in terminal ? it's supposed to be a html thing, graphical browser.
1879760;1544559186;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-11#1879722 variant actually displays in terminal ( sans the 'floor' ), try it
1879761;1544559186;a111;Logged on 2018-12-11 18:43 asciilifeform: e.g. http://www.loper-os.org/pub/uglymaths.html
1879762;1544559196;mircea_popescu;keks ok.
1879763;1544559209;mircea_popescu;i didn't realise what you want was "some kind of notation that works in terminal and gui equally".
1879764;1544559222;asciilifeform;i was going for 'keeps being readable in lynx like the prev chapters'
1879765;1544559233;asciilifeform;otherwise prolly would've thrown in the towel and gone to bitmapped latex outputs
1879766;1544559241;asciilifeform;which are imho sadder
1879767;1544559258;mircea_popescu;im not aware there's a way to make terminal-html-math. not even tex does that.
1879768;1544559272;asciilifeform;i'd like to show that moderately maffs-heavy bl0gps0t is possible without bitmapism, possibly bridge too far
1879769;1544559276;mircea_popescu;though there was a lulzy "extended" keyset back in the 80s to "do it". failed also.
1879770;1544559296;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there was a 'mathsml' thing, but seems to require js, browsers briefly had and then dropped support
1879771;1544559310;asciilifeform;'but hey we have smiling turd glyphs nao!'
1879772;1544559327;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the speciffic items discussed are not possible to render alphabetically, and for the reasons stated : fraction lines are not a character etc.
1879773;1544559345;asciilifeform;~those~ , oddly enuff, i had 0prob with
1879774;1544559367;asciilifeform;( used 'longstroke' uniturd, which incidentally lynx Does Right Thing with and turns into multiple short - )
1879775;1544559372;mircea_popescu;keks
1879776;1544559382;mircea_popescu;you're in the swamp of perdition over there,\
1879777;1544559483;mircea_popescu;anyway, if you're happy with fixwidth font and "works in terminal" i also don't see your problem, wrap in <pre> tags and so something like http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/4NHpp/?raw=true
1879778;1544559508;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i actually started with that. and tempted to return to it.
1879779;1544559509;mircea_popescu;it'll render fine in lynx and on html browser too, you lose out on pixel alligns and sizes and things, but what can you do.
1879780;1544559551;mircea_popescu;well, one or the other. there's no way to magic away the difference between gfx browser and fixwidth term.
1879781;1544559557;asciilifeform;the annoying bit is that in e.g. http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2238 i was able to make html do a very close approx to the customary formatting.
1879782;1544559571;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/how-to-html-math/ << Trilema -- How to html math ?
1879783;1544559576;asciilifeform;was thinking it might be possible to somehow get this with ch14.
1879784;1544559633;mircea_popescu;where, specifically ? http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2238#selection-997.5-1009.4 ? the sup/sub only work if you have simple exponents.
1879785;1544559635;asciilifeform;( if there existed a 'height' attribute for font, it would entirely solve. but i have not turned up any such thing existing. )
1879786;1544559667;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: fortunately i dun have any complex subexpressions in exponents anywhere in ffa notebook.
1879787;1544559676;asciilifeform;only items like a - b etc
1879788;1544559691;mircea_popescu;what do you mean "not turned up" lol. it's in the article i just linked you.
1879789;1544559698;asciilifeform;that ain't height-only!
1879790;1544559701;asciilifeform;i dun want'em ~wide~
1879791;1544559717;asciilifeform;the parens, floor, should simply be ~tall~.
1879792;1544560114;mircea_popescu;yeah, well, i don't think they implemented arbitrary shearing of fonts.
1879793;1544560170;mircea_popescu;though in fairness, while the thickness displayed is exaggerated, what you do by hand is not SIMPLY shear it. you also thicken it some.
1879794;1544560179;asciilifeform;some yes
1879795;1544560334;mircea_popescu;yes well. none of this works with a fixwidth display. not that i'm against having font scaling separate by heigh and width, but currently, it dun exist.
1879796;1544560457;mircea_popescu;now, if you want "html maths", they're in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-11#1879782 ; if you want fixwidth terminal math, it's http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-11#1879777 ; if you want "just like by hand", it'll be either latex or yeah, a photograph of your having done it by hand / a bitmap of some mechanized version thereof. dunno that there's a way out of this.
1879797;1544560457;a111;Logged on 2018-12-11 20:19 feedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/how-to-html-math/ << Trilema -- How to html math ?
1879798;1544560457;a111;Logged on 2018-12-11 20:18 mircea_popescu: anyway, if you're happy with fixwidth font and "works in terminal" i also don't see your problem, wrap in <pre> tags and so something like http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/4NHpp/?raw=true
1879799;1544560514;asciilifeform;there's various ways, of varying degree of ugly, currently shitting out a hybrid variant
1879800;1544560527;asciilifeform;will post for the laughter and derision of audience shortly
1879801;1544560840;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/uglymaths2.html
1879802;1544560867;asciilifeform;( still sad parens, but imho less outlandishly eye-bleeding than the mega-font variant ; lynx-friendly 'floor' )
1879803;1544560939;mircea_popescu;hye, if you're happy...
1879804;1544560943;mircea_popescu;certainly readable.
1879805;1544560958;asciilifeform;that's what it'll be then.
1879806;1544560972;asciilifeform;unless 1 of the experts chimes in today with unexpected pill.
1879807;1544560992;mircea_popescu;might as well use wall of ( 3 tall if you're doing wall of |
1879808;1544561007;asciilifeform;yea idea
1879809;1544561035;asciilifeform;ty mircea_popescu
1879810;1544561060;mircea_popescu;i think it prolly makes it more readable, and also has the merit of making the ad-hockery less ad-hockish/more rulebased.
1879811;1544561070;asciilifeform;it does
1879812;1544561104;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo so let's smg another month an' see how cuntoo goes.
1879813;1544561114;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Sounds like a plan
1879814;1544561150;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/uglymaths3.html for thread-completeness.
1879815;1544561455;*;asciilifeform bbl,teatime
1879816;1544561474;mircea_popescu;very much not html in any sense, but what can you do.
1879817;1544561498;phf;asciilifeform: you can also use console maxima to fixed width layout formulas for you
1879818;1544561526;asciilifeform;phf: i fucking hate ------------'s
1879819;1544561562;phf;oh, i don't know what you guys achieved in html mode, because i'm looking at the result in lynx
1879820;1544561580;asciilifeform;and also hate 'flying' exponents that make simple expression stand 40fuckingrows tall
1879821;1544561593;*;asciilifeform bbl forrealz
1879822;1544561616;mircea_popescu;keks
1879823;1544563344;bvt;!!v D5DED9B7DD684165898340F6744BAC899B3EC60A24D993773C612FB83D45FB11
1879824;1544563348;deedbot;bvt paid BingoBoingo invoice 3
1879825;1544563789;mircea_popescu;diana_coman on meditation, the innovation/subversion distinction is quite well founded.
1879826;1544563853;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, thanks!
1879827;1544563948;mircea_popescu;also leaves very little usable difference between subversion and "inclusion".
1879828;1544564086;diana_coman;well yes, I don't see how can "inclusion" happen without subversion, no
1879829;1544564121;mircea_popescu;aha.
1879830;1544564199;mircea_popescu;nor what other incentive is there, for either, besides the "moron still wants to live and spawn".
1879831;1544564286;diana_coman;I think it's simply a matter of effort-avoidance, what; i.e. change aka innovation is always "hard" so by consensus subversion will be attempted until ~all possible attempts are exhausted, sort of thing
1879832;1544564322;mircea_popescu;these also not sifferent.
1879833;1544564359;diana_coman;right
1879834;1544564449;mircea_popescu;amusingly, spanish (which is terrible re cognates btw, it fails to distinguish between expecting [esperar] and hoping [esperancia] and so on) uses the same word for both "it's expensive" (cuesta mucho) and "i find it difficult" ("me cuesta").
1879835;1544564472;mircea_popescu;oh, while on it : if any english speaker ever wondered where "arena" comes from,
1879836;1544564476;mircea_popescu;why... it's sand, in spanish.
1879837;1544564537;mircea_popescu;but back to the point : the only sort whom "los cuesta" to be thinking is the sort that really has no business here.
1879838;1544564543;diana_coman;do they also use "cuesta mucho" for "it's not fair"? it'd be quite on point at least from what I can tell
1879839;1544564570;diana_coman;since asciilifeform was asking re what does "it's not fair" mean - from what I can tell, precisely that: if one finds it hard, then it's not fair
1879840;1544564649;mircea_popescu;not afaik. tho honestly the idiocy of "equity" as practiced in common law / intuited by the runts in every litter + their enablers is such monumental nonsense as i don't expect can be readily unpacked.
1879841;1544564732;BingoBoingo;<diana_coman> do they also use "cuesta mucho" for "it's not fair"? it'd be quite on point at least from what I can tell << Around here they usually bitch about their derechos
1879842;1544564857;diana_coman;I can see it easily; it's a human right to have it easy in whatever definition of easy one might have floating by
1879843;1544564917;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, so that Arenal area in CR is meant as...sands/sandy or what?
1879844;1544564931;BingoBoingo;Then there's the Falta de Respecto y las otras faltas
1879845;1544564933;mircea_popescu;sandy volcano yes.
1879846;1544564948;diana_coman;it always sounded rather...menacingly/cold to me, lol; ash != sand I'd say
1879847;1544564982;mircea_popescu;anyway, works ad interim as a fine heuristic. whosoever is preoccupied with fairness can be readily discarded as intellectually useless. it's either fairness or correctness, and all the rest of http://trilema.com/2014/the-definitive-tract-on-sociopathy/ flows necessarily.
1879848;1544564993;mircea_popescu;diana_coman sand, microcrystalline obsydian.
1879849;1544566696;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: gotta nitpick : quartz ( plain old sio2 ) != obsidian. in the latter, the volcanic ash dun simply colour it black, but gives crystal lattice a shear plane ( so you get that delish cutting edge the stone age folx like )
1879850;1544566721;mircea_popescu;right. lotta very sharp little bits of glass.
1879851;1544566776;asciilifeform;pretty hard to get a good cutting edge from plain sio2 ( try it some time ). with glass ( i.e. with na as well as si & o ) you get the requisite shear. so cuts.
1879852;1544566914;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-11#1879840 << i suspect that it prolly unpacks ok if seen through lens of 'wooden civ' peasant, where 'errybody is roughly same, working same shit soil, so oughta have ~same harvest'
1879853;1544566914;a111;Logged on 2018-12-11 21:44 mircea_popescu: not afaik. tho honestly the idiocy of "equity" as practiced in common law / intuited by the runts in every litter + their enablers is such monumental nonsense as i don't expect can be readily unpacked.
1879854;1544566973;asciilifeform;( and not simply peasants, but serfs, i.e. land gets mortmain'd by master, so no accum )
1879855;1544567022;mircea_popescu;dude. "microcrystalline obsydian". it's like silica glass, except volcano-made. it has planes and everything. what are you talking about ?
1879856;1544567029;asciilifeform;1000+yrs of уравниловка (btw how do we say that in ro? i'd like to know) dun wear off so quickly.
1879857;1544567037;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: obsidian exactly glass
1879858;1544567057;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: orig thread was re beach sand, nitpick strictly there
1879859;1544567090;mircea_popescu;what the fuck beach, arenal is a volcano.
1879860;1544567137;mircea_popescu;hence http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-11#1879845
1879861;1544567137;a111;Logged on 2018-12-11 21:48 mircea_popescu: sandy volcano yes.
1879862;1544567142;asciilifeform;and does the sand there look exactly like the ordinary ?
1879863;1544567193;asciilifeform;( does mircea_popescu have pic ? i've never seen volcanic sand close up )
1879864;1544567199;mircea_popescu;it looks exactly like microcrystalline obsydian roflmao omg.
1879865;1544567207;mircea_popescu;well so come here some time, can go for a walk in it.
1879866;1544567216;mircea_popescu;crunches under feet with distinct sound, too.
1879867;1544567239;asciilifeform;i bet it's same sound as the particulate from the omnipresent powdered car windshields over here lol
1879868;1544567255;mircea_popescu;more like "walking on sandpaper"
1879869;1544567256;asciilifeform;but yes will be interesting to walk in.
1879870;1544567334;*;asciilifeform pictures an alt-planet where http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759568 scenario but with ~semiconducting~ doped volcanic sands...
1879871;1544567334;a111;Logged on 2017-12-28 14:27 mircea_popescu: there is no, strictly speaking, reason that iron MUST be provided on the surface of a planet just like the earth. it ~could~, very well, have simply gone through a place poor in planetoids and ended up entirely iron free on the surface. but it did not.
1879872;1544567355;asciilifeform;could've had transistor in 1700s-level, conceivably
1879873;1544567369;asciilifeform;( a la wootz -- i.e. 'we have nfi how this worx but here it is' )
1879874;1544567369;mircea_popescu;i dunno that civ which can't make si ball can use pre-provided microscopic multers or w/e.
1879875;1544567403;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: for good chunk of later 1800s folx were using 'accidental' semiconductor ( ever built 'crystal radio' ? ) , but it sucked
1879876;1544567409;asciilifeform;picture if didn't suck.
1879877;1544567413;mircea_popescu;point in case, programmable ants available since forever, we've yet to see ant-automation natives.
1879878;1544567447;mircea_popescu;what, like growth of galena crystals guarded over by roc bird like in arab tales ?
1879879;1544567934;mircea_popescu;"These factors together worked to bring the actual NATO oil need under its allocation for the first time in the forty years since that allocation exists, and otherwise for the first time since the Industrial Revolution some centuries ago. It's really an incredible, history bending first, this" << http://trilema.com/2015/oil-theory/#selection-61.102-61.394
1879880;1544567967;mircea_popescu;speaking of "when world ended", this 2014-2015 winter might actually be the best not-after-this date
1879881;1544568382;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: afaik beekeeping is closest thing we've got to 'ant automation'
1879882;1544568500;asciilifeform;re: petrowank : asciilifeform also not expert, but last i recall arabs were 'peaked' while ru ramping for 50+y and onwards; hence the pantsuit's perennial interest in picking up last reich's torch and 'spreading demoocracy' there
1879883;1544568537;asciilifeform;( which is why icbm complex is just as essential 'petro tech' as the drill ! )
1879884;1544568618;asciilifeform;( per old thread formulation , http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-24#933189 + http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-24#933192 )
1879885;1544568618;a111;Logged on 2014-11-24 22:58 asciilifeform: jurov: tank is a particular type of tractor, let's say. it cultivates sovereignty (or did, in the age of the tank, but why nitpick) rather than edibles.
1879886;1544568618;a111;Logged on 2014-11-24 22:59 asciilifeform: without sovereignty, 'your' tractor - isn't yours. it belongs (along with your starfish) to the big boys.
1879887;1544568749;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-11#1879874 << multers no , rectifiers -- yes ( diode was ~the~ mega-discovery, rather than transistor as commonly thought -- the latter is small variation on the former )
1879888;1544568749;a111;Logged on 2018-12-11 22:29 mircea_popescu: i dunno that civ which can't make si ball can use pre-provided microscopic multers or w/e.
1879889;1544568849;asciilifeform;consider early age of radio, with 'coherer' -- tube of iron filings , nobody had any idea how worked until 1980s (!) when somebody bothered to look and found that yes feo2 semiconducts
1879890;1544568895;asciilifeform;( semiconducts and then shorts and welds solid at the juncture! hence the early radiotelegraph's little hammer that whacked the tube each time it went conductive )
1879891;1544568953;*;asciilifeform was obsessed with the item as a boy, and went and... built. but unsurprisingly was unable to come up with the kilowatt spark gap horror that'd actually make circuit close even 1ce
1879892;1544571108;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://archive.is/UopiX >> 'GNU inetutils <= 1.9.4 telnet.c multiple overflows'
1879893;1544571493;asciilifeform;in older lulz, 1d 18h left on the https://www.ebay.com/itm/Symbolics-MacIvory-model-3-8-MW-in-an-Apple-Quadra-650-80-MB-9-GB-Genera-8-3/113428507092 auction; i'ma bid, and if can get for under 5 , will have the thing xray tomographied ( sadly i have a quite finite budget presently for the proj )
1879894;1544571498;asciilifeform;phf et al ^
1879895;1544571593;mircea_popescu;btw, in case anyone's pissed off at mozilla "download firefox" inanity, the list is here : https://download-installer.cdn.mozilla.net/pub/firefox/releases/
1879896;1544571614;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: which inanity ?
1879897;1544571633;*;asciilifeform presently using 1 built from sores aeons ago..
1879898;1544571667;mircea_popescu;there's this pantsuit trend of making websites from playdo. 0 levers, 0 anything, thick bright colors.
1879899;1544571680;mircea_popescu;annoying as all fuck, like special ed.
1879900;1544571694;asciilifeform;aah y'mean the 'we know your os, and of course it's winblowz, here have a .exe' thing ?
1879901;1544571728;mircea_popescu;just look at it. fucking offensive bs.
1879902;1544571743;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: sadly the proggy ~itself~ is likethat nao. 'special ed'. nfi why you'd want recent ver.
1879903;1544571744;mircea_popescu;https://download-installer.cdn.mozilla.net/pub/firefox/releases/59.0b9/linux-x86_64/en-US/firefox-59.0b9.tar.bz2.asc << in other lulz, they even have sigs.
1879904;1544571765;asciilifeform;yea lol even linus, rms et al, etc. have ceremonial sigs.
1879905;1544571778;asciilifeform;( they aint got vtronics, so nfi what if anyffing their sig ~means~ )
1879906;1544571799;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform just making a copy of their historical offerings.
1879907;1544571804;asciilifeform;a
1879908;1544571835;asciilifeform;i dun recall whether trinque froze the sores of that thing
1879909;1544571853;asciilifeform;i would say 'let's' but not equipped to say what was 'last good sores', near as i can tell the thing has sucked for as long as existed
1879910;1544571903;asciilifeform;btw afaik binariola ff won't run on musltronic linuxen, it (unsurprise) demands dyn libcism
1879911;1544571996;trinque;asciilifeform: I've built ff on musl with various rando's patches, have one running currently
1879912;1544572055;asciilifeform;oh neato
1879913;1544572083;asciilifeform;prolly will end up the de-facto graphic browser
1879914;1544572097;asciilifeform;afaik none else is known to be buildable from sores at all
1879915;1544572125;*;asciilifeform tried over yrs and repeatedly failed with 'chrome'
1879916;1544572140;asciilifeform;it dun build even on ordinary gentoo, last i knew
1879917;1544572158;asciilifeform;( not even talking of hygiene, but of simple 'can build?' )
1879918;1544572200;mircea_popescu;eh, certainly google's thing isn't on the list.
1879919;1544572216;asciilifeform;it dun make even the most elementary cut.
1879920;1544572239;mircea_popescu;anyway, afaik ff past 40 or so can't even run w/o gtk3. which iirc also not on list.
1879921;1544572249;asciilifeform;right, is where mine stopped
1879922;1544572263;asciilifeform;( gtk3 is on asciilifeform's published gentoo-banhammer roster )
1879923;1544572312;mircea_popescu;that said, a svg-centric (as per prev log discussion) x-only (no gnome/kde/whatever bs) browser will prolly have to be written anyway.
1879924;1544572313;asciilifeform;tbf i have utterly nfi why thing even needs gtk at all
1879925;1544572327;asciilifeform;( for 'back' button ?!! )
1879926;1544572328;mircea_popescu;not a matter of needs. it's fair it should use it!
1879927;1544572346;asciilifeform;i dunget why it can't simply live in framebuffer (fughet even x)
1879928;1544572365;mircea_popescu;eh, i'm not rewritting x.
1879929;1544572375;asciilifeform;if there were a pair of free hands -- would be great proj, remove gtkism from ye olde ff
1879930;1544572389;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: dunned to 'rewrite x', e.g. phf has perfectly working framebuffer-only box nao
1879931;1544572397;mircea_popescu;honestly, the engine needs a rewrite anyway. and the rewrite needs our svg/html spec. and so following.
1879932;1544572465;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: would like to see the hairball dissolve, with other hairballs, yes
1879933;1544572745;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: unrelatedly, in the new trilema header photo, is that geiger counter in left hand ?
1879934;1544572750;asciilifeform;prospecting ?
1879935;1544575173;trinque;asciilifeform: I failed repeatedly to build chrome on musl, said "fuck it", dustbinned.
1879936;1544575240;asciilifeform;trinque: i was never able to build it under orginary glibc either.
1879937;1544575245;asciilifeform;*ordinary
1879938;1544575265;trinque;don't you want to use our prebuilt bins, citizen?
1879939;1544575287;asciilifeform;lol
1879940;1544576859;mircea_popescu;actually, that's the famous http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-14#1787820
1879941;1544576859;a111;Logged on 2018-03-14 04:52 ben_vulpes: they've always been my "wrong tool for every job"; i'd rather have a set of deep sockets in pretty much every situation.
1879942;1544576867;mircea_popescu;turns out i foind a perfect job for it.
1879943;1544576893;asciilifeform;where's that
1879944;1544577005;mircea_popescu;where's what ?
1879945;1544577265;asciilifeform;the perfectjob
1879946;1544577390;mircea_popescu;ah ah.
1879947;1544577404;mircea_popescu;pinching girls.
1879948;1544577725;mircea_popescu;otherwise, speaking of summaries and so on : anyone familiar with "the gentleman's magazine" ?
1879949;1544577756;mircea_popescu;interesting item, ran for ~200 years up until ww1 as a sorta-kinda republican log. eventually some society of bored folks in utah produced a complete index, like 100 volumes.
1879950;1544577960;mircea_popescu;it contains such gems as "He went abroad with him, and brought home such a return as was to be expected from kindred honour and well reciprocated use."
1879951;1544577971;mircea_popescu;which, if anyone should be equal to the task of explaining for my benefit...
1879952;1544584135;nicoleci;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-10#1879373 << meanwhile beleeted. fetlife bdsm liberals not that liberal after all!
1879953;1544584135;a111;Logged on 2018-12-10 19:38 mircea_popescu: speaking of which : https://i.ibb.co/rcgdpmC/Screenshot-29.png << should be fun to see how "BDSM Liberals" take it.
1879954;1544584156;mircea_popescu;lmao
1879955;1544584193;mircea_popescu;let me guess, "#metoo, the social narrative ANYONE* can contribute to..."
1879956;1544591145;feedbot;http://bimbo.club/?p=103 << Bimbo.Club -- TMSR Log Summary - 11/20/2018
1879957;1544607229;phf;i was confused by the correctness/fairness thread, until i realized that the use of the word "fair" has changed to its complete opposite from the traditional western use. in folklore fair is a sometimes begrudging recognition and internal compromise of correctness: something is not to your liking, but it's fair, i.e. correct
1879958;1544607657;phf;fair has been since long hijacked by socialist, so preoccupation with fairness is an indicator
1879959;1544627432;mircea_popescu;hey Mocky_ how's the hunt going ?
1879960;1544627559;mircea_popescu;phf the folk fairness you think of is purely eastern. western fairness was always female-driven, and socialistically flavoured.
1879961;1544627586;mircea_popescu;east of the hajnal line, "fair" means "it's true i'm a poor peasant who needs this chunk of bread, yet the devil saw it first and well... fair is fair"
1879962;1544627619;mircea_popescu;west of the hajnal line, however, "fair" is exclusively found in "it's not fair that old man's daugther do all the work while old woman's daugthers get all the praise"
1879963;1544627719;mircea_popescu;and yes, the distinction is very specifically driven by the "marriage patterns", ie, western franks allowing women much more choice in mating (resulting predictably in a large contingent of unmated females, a larger still contingent of mated-once, and a much later first mating overal). all this produces a lot of idle time to waste wringing wrists.
1879964;1544627845;mircea_popescu;nicoleci it occurs to me summarizing may be not the best use of your time. how about you switch to some http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-04#1878206 instead ?
1879965;1544627845;a111;Logged on 2018-12-04 00:58 asciilifeform: i dun expect these will ever be OCR'd, hand-typesetted-cum-diagrams newtonola is possibly a bridge too far for ocr.
1879966;1544627913;mircea_popescu;pick one article from there (preferably -- something interesting!), and make a post of it. transcribe it correctly, include all images (cleanned up if they need it ; or restated as http://trilema.com/2018/how-to-html-math/ if practicable) and there you go.
1879967;1544628192;asciilifeform;oh guten morgen mircea_popescu !
1879968;1544628203;mircea_popescu;hola!
1879969;1544628227;mircea_popescu;i wake up, with a bladder fulla pee and a bladder fulla words. and more than half the time it's the 2nd that actually makes snoozing impossible.
1879970;1544628229;mircea_popescu;modern man eh.
1879971;1544628238;*;asciilifeform still grinding through htmlization of ch14, grr
1879972;1544628529;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform trilema readership has an idea for you! http://trilema.com/2018/how-to-html-math/#comment-127197
1879973;1544630563;BingoBoingo;!!gettrust cruciform
1879974;1544630984;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i saw the plugin thing earlier. it has exactly same problem as latex-by-hand -- bitmapism, resulting in nonsearchable and nonseeable-in-lynx etc text
1879975;1544631006;asciilifeform;if i were writing for dead tree, would've latexed long ago. but i aint
1879976;1544631051;mircea_popescu;but you ~could~ add the actual latex source as an alt tag on the image, resulting in... searchable, and viewable in [correctly working] lynx.
1879977;1544631070;asciilifeform;alt-tags aint searchable in graphical browser
1879978;1544631080;asciilifeform;i want searchable-errywhere.
1879979;1544631085;mircea_popescu;there's no way out of this, alf : inasmuch as "math" is not fully alphabetic (as it isn't, because it includes procedural items as well as characters) you WILL HAVE TO add some notation to your "text".
1879980;1544631110;mircea_popescu;and the way this wound will heal is exactly thus : properly adnotated math that then is properly rendered WHERE TERMINALS WORK
1879981;1544631112;mircea_popescu;and there only.
1879982;1544631128;mircea_popescu;don't try to fix people's terminals from across the cable.
1879983;1544631135;asciilifeform;if html centralcommittee had been slightly less retarded, we could've had bitmaps with searchable backing text; or font-height attribute; or any number of 1 thing that'd cure the retardation. but so happens that they were dropped as children, and so we have this.
1879984;1544631152;mircea_popescu;nevermind that. really nobody cares what the empire does.
1879985;1544631171;asciilifeform;i care strictly when stuck cleaning up the splatter with own hand.
1879986;1544631273;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in other tardations, re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-11#1879893 >> the radiographers all seem to want 2-3k. which is lulzy, cuz for half of that one can simply buy the machine..
1879987;1544631273;a111;Logged on 2018-12-11 23:38 asciilifeform: in older lulz, 1d 18h left on the https://www.ebay.com/itm/Symbolics-MacIvory-model-3-8-MW-in-an-Apple-Quadra-650-80-MB-9-GB-Genera-8-3/113428507092 auction; i'ma bid, and if can get for under 5 , will have the thing xray tomographied ( sadly i have a quite finite budget presently for the proj )
1879988;1544631299;mircea_popescu;so do the sane thing, make bitmap with latex tag, and be done with it.
1879989;1544631368;asciilifeform;so happens that already wrangled the heaviest piece into shape
1879990;1544631534;mircea_popescu;tbh im not even sure what we want for a web scripting language is php, ie, "text preprocessor"
1879991;1544631545;mircea_popescu;what we really want is probably some derivation of latex.
1879992;1544631589;mircea_popescu;i utterly don't need a scriptable wrapper to do string manipulation, what the holy shit is this, onyl someone who grew up on c strings can imagine such nonsense.
1879993;1544632230;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if had browser that eats sane sexpr instead of the customary shitsoup, good % of what folx want in 'processor' falls away
1879994;1544632245;mircea_popescu;aha.
1879995;1544632263;mircea_popescu;nfi what they were thinking when they came up with the <tag> bs.
1879996;1544632272;asciilifeform;whole thing is fractally retarded
1879997;1544632276;mircea_popescu;srsly now, who farted that low level abstraction ?
1879998;1544632282;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ibm.
1879999;1544632284;mircea_popescu;sounds like one of the fet tards.
1880000;1544632289;asciilifeform;recall, sgml committee.
1880001;1544632300;mircea_popescu;"oh, arbtrarily placed tags that sometimes close"
1880002;1544632302;mircea_popescu;wtf.
1880003;1544632470;mircea_popescu;and the thing that truly gets my goat, is that all this inane "simplicity -- computers have to do the work for people" reinterpreted as "computers have to do the work to compensate for utterly destructured psychogenic noise -- and you have to write the assurance software for the software they run" was only pushed in the first place so "accessible" because then "more people get involved". forgetting all the while that the "peo
1880004;1544632470;mircea_popescu;ple" symbol in that "more people get involved" does NOT denote ~actual~ people. it denotes the sort of people who need a computer to think for them in order to participate in intellectual affairs. ie, NON!!!!-people!
1880005;1544632473;mircea_popescu;and then here we fucking are.
1880006;1544632523;mircea_popescu;"oh, the computer should make snails fly, so that it makes flight accessible to snails, so that there's more birds around which will make even more computers even better bla bla bla".
1880007;1544632539;mircea_popescu;motherfucker, all that builds is a large contingent of snails who think they can fly, which is PRECISELY technological debt.
1880008;1544632550;mircea_popescu;why the fuck do i want to carry through the world a huge pile of tech debt ?
1880009;1544632618;*;asciilifeform sorta has entire www on subj..
1880010;1544632649;mircea_popescu;there's no fucking benefit, the world was better off when there were four computers about total and the fucktarded secretutes sucked dick in office bathrooms instead of derping about how "you don't understand computers" because their stupidphones cut off fields silently and THEY ARE TOO FUCKING STUPID TO REALISE this is a problem, and specifically of theirs...
1880011;1544632682;mircea_popescu;and then of course also lack the meta-cognitive capacity to realise that this is simple metonimy, the stupidphone doesn't do that just to one filed that's "too long", but to ALL FIELDS. which is how they end up with notions about "#metoo" and etcetera.
1880012;1544632690;mircea_popescu;holy shit, fractally retarded.
1880013;1544632716;asciilifeform;mechanization + idiocy == mechanized idiocy, noose at 11
1880014;1544632731;mircea_popescu;i have no fucking idea who thought accessibility is a good idea.
1880015;1544632767;mircea_popescu;the world, not as a sum, but throughout, each-individual-component-as-well-as-all-groups-of-components, is worse off for computers being more accessible thusly.
1880016;1544632783;asciilifeform;( see also e.g. http://www.loper-os.org/?p=165#selection-185.841-185.1259 )
1880017;1544632845;mircea_popescu;and no, showing me the sweet leet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Camp_Lazear_Wellcome_L0000010.jpg they've built by hammering in nails with that microscope doesn't fucking impress.
1880018;1544632852;asciilifeform;the other detail is that -- unsurprisingly -- the item that became 'accessible' is typically closer to electro-dildo, while actual comp is less gettable than it's been since early '80s
1880019;1544632896;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform word.
1880020;1544632936;asciilifeform;in su folx would sometimes secretly repair a crippled 'demilitarized' museum rifle; turning a current-day pc into actual comp is actually ~harder~ procedure than this
1880021;1544633182;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-02#1877837 << no, see, "you only think that because you're old".
1880022;1544633182;a111;Logged on 2018-12-02 18:33 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in today's dose of elaborate #metoo #thinker files, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/x4Yp0/?raw=true
1880023;1544633201;mircea_popescu;i wonder how many people ignored the dumbass before she formed the notion that the problem isn't her being stupid -- but other people being old.
1880024;1544633402;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/12/theresa-may-no-confidence-vote-coming-tonight/ << Qntra -- Theresa May No Confidence Vote Coming Tonight
1880025;1544633750;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo hey, seems in the ruckus we forgot a lulzy piece : https://news.stanford.edu/2018/12/06/shoucheng-zhang-obituary/ (stanford ablates 55 yo nobel winner physicist because too chinese).
1880026;1544633791;mircea_popescu;"In lieu of flowers, his family has asked that gifts in Zhang’s memory be made to Stanford University".
1880027;1544633799;mircea_popescu;give usg.stanford some money why don't you.
1880028;1544633883;mircea_popescu;(dood had some bitcoin investment, and was diddling the kidnapped woman, is the idea).
1880029;1544633942;asciilifeform;i mailed it in as a qntra fodder the other day
1880030;1544633978;mircea_popescu;a cool.
1880031;1544633983;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you busy ?
1880032;1544634000;asciilifeform;quite busy with c14. why
1880033;1544634017;mircea_popescu;wanna start a discussion of http://www.loper-os.org/#selection-37.0-65.730 ? seems to me mature.
1880034;1544634028;asciilifeform;link b0rked
1880035;1544634032;asciilifeform;( recall bug )
1880036;1544634045;asciilifeform;reload pg plox & rebake?
1880037;1544634122;mircea_popescu;the On the Free Software movement quote. http://www.loper-os.org/?p=165#selection-37.0-65.730
1880038;1544634150;asciilifeform;pretty sure we had 5 or 6 thrds re that one snip
1880039;1544634158;asciilifeform;got new observation ?
1880040;1544634173;mircea_popescu;yeah, let's delve.
1880041;1544634253;mircea_popescu;so, on one hand, he is entirely correct in saying that useful work has to be paid, and whether its abstract work or digging ditches makes no difference. there's nothing special about writing software "that millions will use" (ie, generality) -- because the writer can get sick, and the person handling sick people will HAVE TO drop what they're doing and instead look at deeply similar splotches on a screen and say ~specific~ wo
1880042;1544634253;mircea_popescu;rds that are only applicable or interesting to his own particular case.
1880043;1544634264;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu asciilifeform Got burried in ruckus, Going to try to write it up
1880044;1544634282;mircea_popescu;since the doctor's entitled to some compensation to even out his opportunity cost, the dilemma naggum presents is quite soundly footed : "get sick for a while, see". and plenty of other items go just this way.
1880045;1544634349;mircea_popescu;now, conversely -- it is impossible, leaving aside how it is impracticable, to try and make software "secret". from the color of bits to what have you, the notion that you can somehow wrangle ~a concrete, objectified representation~ of the abstract in question to "carry value" is also broken.
1880046;1544634414;mircea_popescu;which is his mistake, he thinks "code has value" is approachable in the terms of "fish has value". but fish has value per line, and code does NOT have value per line. in fact -- each extra pound of fish increases the value of the fish cache ; but every extra line of code DECREASES the value of the code cache.
1880047;1544634437;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: from reading of whole naggum corpus, i am under impression that he certainly knew this.
1880048;1544634442;mircea_popescu;there's a further, important element that he neglects. specifically -- consider slavery.
1880049;1544634454;asciilifeform;( and knew that most extant software has ~negative~, in particular, value )
1880050;1544634467;mircea_popescu;suppose, as a thought experiment, we are now in charge of the world. we are to say how it is to be run.
1880051;1544634477;asciilifeform;( a la http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-25#1866192 )
1880052;1544634477;a111;Logged on 2018-10-25 19:15 asciilifeform: at the risk of repeating ancient thread -- 'the best machine is no machine', it weighs nuffin, needs no maintenance. and the best proggy, is no proggy at all, if a problem can be solved without writing proggy, it ought to be. erry line of coad can be rightfully pictured as an act of intellectual littering. y'know, like throwing cig butt or bottle on the ground in the park.
1880053;1544634481;*;asciilifeform supposes...
1880054;1544634538;mircea_popescu;there's a female born, somewhere in the indistinct midwest. aged 16, she correctly [yet without having read it] applies the http://trilema.com/2013/whore-strat/ "what female is supposed to be", ends up enslaved by some guy, whom we'll call avik.
1880055;1544634587;mircea_popescu;now let's look at this system : it's not nicole's place to judge her master avik ; separated from this her master avik is a moron. is it our intention that everything should stand as it fell ?
1880056;1544634627;mircea_popescu;and you can't say "she should read trilema and figure shit out". a slave doesn't have this, a slave will do what random moron tells them to, which i guess would be going to college or some shit.
1880057;1544634652;asciilifeform;somehow it dun bother anybody that avik's spleen cannot judge that he's a moron and walk away
1880058;1544634662;asciilifeform;not errybody gets to 'judge'
1880059;1544634667;mircea_popescu;if, in point of fact, code is kept under wraps, you are, in point of fact, forcing the world into a "things lay where they fell" scheme, and slavery becomes untenable (and deeply something i can't support).
1880060;1544634690;mircea_popescu;open code has this fundamental capacity, of doing for you what my fetlife bots do for me.
1880061;1544634702;mircea_popescu;passive, yes, but everyone who is here is here ~because they read code~, not because they didn't.
1880062;1544634710;asciilifeform;in practice the friction of 'closed' is finite. bolix is as closed as it gets and i'ma still rape it.
1880063;1544634719;mircea_popescu;as you well should.
1880064;1544634731;mircea_popescu;so in short -- naggum's dilemma must be resolved ~without~ closing the code.
1880065;1544634739;mircea_popescu;which seems to me contrary to what he's advocating.
1880066;1544634775;mircea_popescu;but open code is rather the direct underpinning of items like http://trilema.com/2016/i-am-firmly-against-universal-franchise/
1880067;1544634787;mircea_popescu;something like that utterly can't stand UNLESS "the logs are right there, what've you been doing".
1880068;1544634794;asciilifeform;my impression is that he was motivated moar by http://www.loper-os.org/?p=165#selection-453.0-453.732 + http://www.loper-os.org/?p=165#selection-145.292-145.611 than 'pay me pay me'
1880069;1544634828;asciilifeform;fwiw ~nuffin of lasting value that asciilifeform learned about programming came from reading gnu hairballs.
1880070;1544634849;mircea_popescu;probably. still -- notice how ~easy~ it is for us to discard pointless items, howsoever "friendly" they might be.
1880071;1544634855;asciilifeform;( mostly, in fact, came from reading material written by folx who lived half century or longer without touching a comp )
1880072;1544634879;mircea_popescu;i believe.
1880073;1544634896;mircea_popescu;yet i do not agree with his "destroy value" view.
1880074;1544634926;mircea_popescu;leaving aside my observation of anyone else's experience -- the "here's mp-wp codebase" has not appreciably destroyed something as far as i can tell.
1880075;1544634943;mircea_popescu;it seems deeply boneheaded to believe publication destroys value, a sort of harlan elinson tack.
1880076;1544634954;asciilifeform;the gnu folx 'destroyed' plenty, by sheer volume of noise swamping signal.
1880077;1544634968;mircea_popescu;(by which i mean, specifically "i know i'm a hack, and i know i have a finite time until they figure it out, so the more i make while saying the least -- the better")
1880078;1544634984;mircea_popescu;guy always had a very early-steamengine/textilemill-engineering flavour to me
1880079;1544634991;asciilifeform;ellison's entire life consisted of this. sorta how d00d became infamous lobbyist for 'eternal copyrights' etc
1880080;1544634997;mircea_popescu;right.
1880081;1544635002;asciilifeform;quintessentially american writer.
1880082;1544635014;mircea_popescu;and all my reservations re naggum, historically, came from this elinson flavour i here and there detected.
1880083;1544635027;mircea_popescu;but it's chiefly around this sort of misstatements, "oh, open code destroys value".
1880084;1544635088;mircea_popescu;now, none of this is an argument for ~all code forever open~. there's no all comers here, and indeed the overwhelm factor is a problem.
1880085;1544635105;mircea_popescu;but the web (metaphorically, the spider web of existence) has to be and remain traversable from the outside.
1880086;1544635109;asciilifeform;let's recall the hole that naggum sat in. d00d tried to make living by actually solving tricky problems for folx willing to pay ( oil, gas, jurisprudential db people, etc ) . found that it became harder and eventually impossible on acct of various factors, incl. the lemonization of the market by shitgnomes, asinine eurotaxation regimes, etc
1880087;1544635127;mircea_popescu;otherwise, what we're building will collapse. and i can prove it, too -- very much goedelian crunch.
1880088;1544635156;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform our friend avik does the same, believe it or not.
1880089;1544635162;asciilifeform;then saw the very tools of his trade vanishing, as the commercial lisp people slowly starved cuz idjits went 'let's hire 9000 java monkeys, freeeee tooling'
1880090;1544635188;mircea_popescu;ie, i would propose as a foundational myth, "avik killed naggum". there's something here.
1880091;1544635236;asciilifeform;~the~ foundational q, imho, of software having a non-zimbabweistic future -- is whether avik can be prevented from killing naggum.
1880092;1544635260;mircea_popescu;the problem doesn't need to be stated in terms of "oil, gas" bla bla, "let's imagine adults still exist somewhere". this dork works for a packaging manufacturer, but the problem's evident from the "small business owner" - "web expert" interactions, well documented online.
1880093;1544635277;mircea_popescu;the domain specialist is uniquely unqualified and deeply unable to hire computer expert.
1880094;1544635284;mircea_popescu;which is why hospitals don't let you choose the shaman.
1880095;1544635288;mircea_popescu;~they~ choose the shaman.
1880096;1544635343;mircea_popescu;to bring this full circle : the perceived difference between particularizing (doctor) and generalizing (computer scientist) abstract work is entirely hallucinated. the ~only~ way to correctly pay for abstract work is as allocations from crown.
1880097;1544635367;asciilifeform;!#s pay sunlight
1880098;1544635367;a111;7 results for "pay sunlight", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=pay%20sunlight
1880099;1544635369;asciilifeform;^ see also
1880100;1544635369;mircea_popescu;copyright is a deeply dysfunctional, dumb and braindamaged attempt to "open" the crown allocation process.
1880101;1544635420;mircea_popescu;(above, generalizing work is work that done once serves many ; particularizing is work which has to be done every time, and each time according to a standard).
1880102;1544635450;mircea_popescu;note how the "solution" idiots came up with (and failed to verbalize) was exactly "consultancy", ie, "we'll live off the value of the particularizing tail of our generalizing workl"
1880103;1544635462;mircea_popescu;this dun fucking work in practice, for the reasons obvious from the proper formulation.
1880104;1544635495;asciilifeform;sometimes abstract work is done by kamikazes who do it from principle, at the expense of sleep and walks in park, the way asciilifeform bakes e.g. ffa. but in general yes , it simply dun happen because nobody pays.
1880105;1544635516;mircea_popescu;and so here's how feudalism becomes inescapable : man will have to get sudan or w/e land (plus the attached bipedal or multipedal livestock) in exchange for having written republican smgl or w/e.
1880106;1544635518;asciilifeform;( or happens as side effect of 'particulars' )
1880107;1544635522;mircea_popescu;because there's strictly no other way.
1880108;1544635541;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and sometimes, the salvation of slaves comes from reading trilema instead of sleep and so on.
1880109;1544635548;mircea_popescu;yes, upwards social mobility only ever works this way.
1880110;1544635575;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: hence naggum's formulation 'open softs are a surplus phenomenon'
1880111;1544635596;mircea_popescu;but that's incorrect. ~thoguht~ and especially ~abstract work~ is a surplus phenomenon.
1880112;1544635625;mircea_popescu;because it's what it is, if you're hungry go farm, if you're lonely go spawn. if you're nothing in particular -- which is to say, if you're finally human -- how about you do something useful finally.
1880113;1544635642;asciilifeform;well yes, anyffing published without expectation of moolah, is 'surplus phenomena', whether theorem or proggy or symphony etc
1880114;1544635647;mircea_popescu;mno.
1880115;1544635659;mircea_popescu;that's the confounding approach there.
1880116;1544635660;asciilifeform;hm?
1880117;1544635699;mircea_popescu;it's a case of wheel powering engine again. all abstract work is a surplus phenomena because the surprlus predates the work. not because "we're poor, but we hope to pay the bills by thinking".
1880118;1544635712;mircea_popescu;but because "eh, whatever, fridge's too full anyway, let's do somethjing interesting today".\
1880119;1544635747;asciilifeform;i did say 'without expectation of moolah' neh
1880120;1544635754;mircea_popescu;the thinking by which you hope to pay the bills, that's how you get C and mass marketed "films".
1880121;1544635764;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but the timing's wrong. without ~need~.
1880122;1544635777;mircea_popescu;it's not that you don't expect it ; it's that you don't need it.
1880123;1544635790;asciilifeform;well yes. singing on street corner with hat 'please throw a penny' is not 'from surplus'
1880124;1544635797;asciilifeform;or because likes to sing
1880125;1544635805;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/12/stanford-garbage-collects-chinese-professor-investor/ << Qntra -- Stanford Garbage Collects Chinese Professor Investor
1880126;1544635806;mircea_popescu;doctor does not sit in er room going "i hope someone shows up or else i starve".
1880127;1544635815;mircea_popescu;because that's not a state of mind conducive to doctoring in the first place.
1880128;1544635842;mircea_popescu;doctor goes "well... i guess i could sleep... but i dun feel like it... or i could farm... meh farming... let's see if there's something interesting to do".
1880129;1544635881;mircea_popescu;this is not ~formally~ what happens, for purely coincidental reasons. it is ~fundamentally~ what happens, which is why it's important.
1880130;1544635976;asciilifeform;right
1880131;1544635996;asciilifeform;i'm not convinced that naggum would've disagreed with this formulation tho
1880132;1544636024;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> ie, i would propose as a foundational myth, "avik killed naggum". there's something here. << And he did it for (((packing))) Peanuts!
1880133;1544636040;asciilifeform;( and will add, it is ordinarily trivial to distinguish folx who theorem 'from causes' from the ones who 'for purposes' i.e. 'maybe someone throws penny into hat' )
1880134;1544636050;mircea_popescu;so to sum all this up : naggum is right in that what he does can't be free. naggum is wrong in that the tangible expression of abstracts could have value (what next, doctor supports self by selling ultrasound drawings ?!) ; and moreover closed code in the copyright/microsoft sense makes the slaves&harem&wot world impossible.
1880135;1544636083;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo there's little sadder in creation than overstretched underachievers, "oh, i got perfect sat scores" "why ?"
1880136;1544636084;asciilifeform;( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-01#1868473 + http://btcbase.org/log/2015-11-07#1319527 )
1880137;1544636084;a111;Logged on 2018-11-01 18:01 asciilifeform: i dun work for prizes, medals, mircea_popescu knows this.
1880138;1544636084;a111;Logged on 2015-11-07 23:21 asciilifeform: 'Не надо мне пощады,не надо мне награды, / а дайте мне винтовку и дайте мне коня... / А если я погибну,пусть красные отряды, / пусть красные отряды отплатят за меня.' (tm) (r) (mega-classic)
1880139;1544636102;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform sadly we'll never know what he'd have said, avik got to him first.
1880140;1544636195;mircea_popescu;the only remaining open problem is, of course, valuation.
1880141;1544636204;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 1 of my nitpicks with the 'open/closed wars' people is the annoying fact of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-06#1793733
1880142;1544636204;a111;Logged on 2018-04-06 21:12 asciilifeform: a 500k-loc ( ignoring even for a moment the far greater heft of 'modern' wonders ) c/cpp proggy is, for all intents and purposes, closed-source, even if every line is published, because it is quite impossible for anyone -- even author -- to get a proper grip on its behaviour space
1880143;1544636227;asciilifeform;i.e. just about all of the problems of 'closed' world , were re-created on substrate of 'open', without anyone so much as deliberately trying
1880144;1544636270;mircea_popescu;given a set of ("the place formerly known as sudan", "a monopoly on aviation", "the empire state building") and ("has written proper sgml", "heroically reversed bolix stack","found way to write without getting out of bed"), which is the correct matching ?
1880145;1544636296;asciilifeform;for the d00d handing out the medals to decide, neh
1880146;1544636308;asciilifeform;sorta why odin put him upon the green earth
1880147;1544636312;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that is ~exactly~ what i'm leveraging : ALL abstractions are "closed-source" by their very nature -- witness how cats don't read them. then let's use this natural barrier to select the future lordship.
1880148;1544636335;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the decision'd better make sense, which is to say, meaningful rather than arbitrary.
1880149;1544636394;asciilifeform;it'll make sense, in the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1704268 model.
1880150;1544636394;a111;Logged on 2017-08-28 23:10 mircea_popescu: kanzure " Obviously there is no possiblity of meaning outside of a structure of authority, and the authority can not be predicated on the meaning."
1880151;1544636406;mircea_popescu;hm.
1880152;1544636424;mircea_popescu;i guess it'd better.
1880153;1544636519;asciilifeform;i dun complain that, e.g., mircea_popescu pays for ice cream but not udplib, it's his dubloons, just as he dun complain that asciilifeform buys ice cream instead of euloratronium, errybody is master of own chest, large or small
1880154;1544636576;asciilifeform;( and it dun keep us from making mutually happy trades on other occasions )
1880155;1544636617;mircea_popescu;this seems to me unrelated.
1880156;1544636658;mircea_popescu;consider tomorrow emperor of china writes in, wants to give taiwan to republic as peace gift.
1880157;1544636675;asciilifeform;the 1 occasion where related, is coupla instances in yrs past when asciilifeform's 'from cause' worx ground to a halt on acct of having to earn bread in saeculum, then asciilifeform rolls eyes at folx who 'motherfucker, where is the promised X/Y/Z'
1880158;1544636718;mircea_popescu;taiwan will have to have a governor, and i will do what ? name the most capable ? the most bored ? suppose we do the medieval thing and separate the work from the benefice. then who gets the latter ? and so on.
1880159;1544636720;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'd hope that mircea_popescu knows how to drive a taiwan, cuz chances are that i'd wrap it around a telephone pole, lol
1880160;1544636765;mircea_popescu;it is certainly a good thing emperor of china is not gifting taiwans right now. but the matter remains -- the reward for good work is generally more work in the same vein.
1880161;1544636779;mircea_popescu;this is nice and dandy -- until someone actually needs some work of their own.
1880162;1544636803;asciilifeform;aha
1880163;1544636826;mircea_popescu;consider this taken to extremes : suppose the lordship's a few hundred, ie the most it can ever possibly take, and each are castles with hundreds of knights within and so on.
1880164;1544636835;*;asciilifeform supposes
1880165;1544636912;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform falls sick, and he suddenly has 95 surgeons at his bedstand, because well known and respected and so on. meanwhile young'un dies somewhere i nsilence. asciilifeform could have readily dispensed with the spurious 95th surgeon, kept 94. but... power laws right, and http://trilema.com/2013/stage-n-bitcoin-exists/#selection-101.196-101.253
1880166;1544636957;asciilifeform;this aint any moar avoidable than resistive losses in mains wiring
1880167;1544636966;mircea_popescu;in short : the current system of allocating labour is offensively stupid ; and the rudiments of what we have here promise to work. but so far... spreading dun work!
1880168;1544636987;mircea_popescu;to some degree.
1880169;1544637012;mircea_popescu;the above "question of valuation" as well as the "it'd better make sense" readily translate into "give me resistive loss formula".
1880170;1544637019;mircea_popescu;they're statements of the same problem.
1880171;1544637073;*;asciilifeform can speak only for self, but on various occasions risked piggy bank to try an' convert from serf to d00d who '100% worx from cause', but on each occasion lost shirt. maybe other l1 folx will have better fortune, and sit on mt olympus with mircea_popescu , i dun presently expect to
1880172;1544637090;mircea_popescu;where's this relate ?
1880173;1544637105;asciilifeform;the allocations thing
1880174;1544637112;mircea_popescu;hm
1880175;1544637141;asciilifeform;( in case forgot, asciilifeform spends 80+% of time on perpetrating saecular warcrimes in microshit land, rather than anyffing useful )
1880176;1544637164;asciilifeform;so, asciilifeform's resistive loss is ~80%.
1880177;1544637173;mircea_popescu;yeah, that's a whole other can of intricate strange. i wasn't gonna address it till as you say, some l1 folks move on.
1880178;1544637212;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu's is, let's suppose, 1%, however much time he spends tying his shoes and operating the levers of his outer empire
1880179;1544637212;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ah, that's not at ALL what was meant by "resistive loss". what was meant was, some labour wastage will occur through guy A getting 1.epsilon the work he needs while guy B getting 1-epsilon and perhaps dying for it.
1880180;1544637218;asciilifeform;a
1880181;1544637223;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform actually the girls tie my shoes.
1880182;1544637236;mircea_popescu;believe this or not, i reach such levels of chinese emperorhood.
1880183;1544637237;asciilifeform;a+++ louis xiii
1880184;1544637322;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the item you were thinking of, then, i'd call impedance mismatch loss, rather than plain resistive
1880185;1544637328;asciilifeform;( simply to nitpick!11 )
1880186;1544637352;asciilifeform;in ye olde supercomp world, was known as 'process starvation'
1880187;1544637356;mircea_popescu;however you call it. but it seems to me, which was the original driver, it seems to me naggum's dilemma illustrates a missing chunk rather than anything else.
1880188;1544637392;asciilifeform;my impression when reading was that he was thinking of asciilifeform's variant of resistive loss. but possible asciilifeform's bias.
1880189;1544637398;mircea_popescu;ie, "yes, that's untenable, but no this is stupid (and ultimately also untenable), so..."
1880190;1544637409;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how do you mean ?
1880191;1544637457;asciilifeform;in his discussion where, approx, 'yes it's good and well that some folx sit and solve ~some~ problems in spare time from salt mine, but not all problems are susceptible to this treatment'
1880192;1544637477;mircea_popescu;i don't think you were following my "suppose". let's do over.
1880193;1544637485;*;asciilifeform rewinds tape..
1880194;1544637523;mircea_popescu;suppose suppose the lordship owns the world, in all particulars, entirely. the last rebel was long ago executed. i can write to any and all doctors, "hey, please X". so can you. so can etcetera.
1880195;1544637550;asciilifeform;ok..
1880196;1544637561;mircea_popescu;at this juncture, if the king falls ill every doctor in the realm will crowd the palace, and if the provincial governor of taiwan happens to need apendectomy he might even die.
1880197;1544637586;mircea_popescu;so ~how~ do you signal optimal allocation.
1880198;1544637609;mircea_popescu;and don't tell me "money". money is eminently broken in handling all this, proof positive being that if you get a hospital bill you can't say if it's correct or not
1880199;1544637619;asciilifeform;right -- even if yer king, resources still finite. consider stalin's dilemma of whether to withdraw zhukov's army from far east. ( banked on zorge's report that jp will not break peace treaty, and withdrew 80% . but still had to leave some )
1880200;1544637623;mircea_popescu;(if you get that x ray machine delivered, you can tell what % of socket power it wastes)
1880201;1544637655;mircea_popescu;so this is what i thought we were discussing -- "some inefficiency necessarily part of world". yes, agreed -- but how much ?
1880202;1544637661;asciilifeform;aa!
1880203;1544637669;mircea_popescu;whence ? and how much ?
1880204;1544637687;mircea_popescu;and if you answer this, you necessarily answer "how to value work" as well as "what meaning has king's arbitrarity" and so on.
1880205;1544637715;asciilifeform;sorta summarizes king's entire job description, neh
1880206;1544637718;mircea_popescu;but the 1900s gold dubloons do NOT work for this. because lines of code, or "eyeballs upon cell cultures" are NOT like barels of fish.
1880207;1544637720;asciilifeform;valuing people/works.
1880208;1544637723;mircea_popescu;there's no market forces available.
1880209;1544637726;asciilifeform;correct.
1880210;1544637740;mircea_popescu;it's perfectly find to "let market find price of steel hull ship".
1880211;1544637752;asciilifeform;( and , as asciilifeform is fond of observing, stalin's approach on many occasions performed 9000x better than merchant's dubloons approach )
1880212;1544637764;mircea_popescu;it is very fucking dubious to imagine market will "find price" to tell naggum how much of his code-juju he has to give up to doctor.
1880213;1544637777;asciilifeform;indeed
1880214;1544637906;mircea_popescu;which is ultimately the problem here -- note the orig formulation wasn't in "so many dollars" terms. it was very much nearly the http://trilema.com/2013/regarding-money/
1880215;1544637923;mircea_popescu;he wants ~to be able to get other professionals to help him when he needs it~, he doesn't want "more dough" specifically and as such.
1880216;1544637954;mircea_popescu;ie, he wants sufficient claim to fame as to make the "i'd like to live rather than die" proposition defensible. he doesn't even want money as such at all
1880217;1544637966;mircea_popescu;(because money is like taiwan -- now you gotta drive)
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1880221;1544638115;mircea_popescu;and i suspect this fundamental intuition is what drives a lot of high socialism (like high protestantism, the nonsense among intelligent folks, as opposed to low) -- the intuition that the 1800 notion of money, perfectly adequate as it is for concretes, utterly fails on abstracts and what one needs is a lot more abstracts than concretes.
1880222;1544638129;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo is that a new math ?
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1880224;1544638157;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo is that a new math ? << It is 0.002 x 12 with a 10% discount applied
1880225;1544638167;mircea_popescu;my math only has one dot per number!
1880226;1544638172;BingoBoingo;Ah
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1880228;1544638193;BingoBoingo;Math reverted
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1880230;1544638249;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: money is shorthand, i.e. simply the 'binders' of http://www.loper-os.org/?p=165#selection-165.74-165.439
1880231;1544638265;asciilifeform;only numismatics want money 'per se'
1880232;1544638270;asciilifeform;*numismatists
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1880234;1544638285;mircea_popescu;it seems to me what has happened here was, a certain notion of money got shoehorned into evolving practice with nary a thought given to what works how.
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1880236;1544638304;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: rather analogous to the lumped approximation of maxwell that engineers typically work with
1880237;1544638317;asciilifeform;i.e. adequate inside certain boundaries, but generally wildly wrong
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1880240;1544638423;mircea_popescu;the money of  http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-10#553680 und die hundert millionen in meinem schatz is eminently NOT the money of "$5 turn knob - $9995 know which" (i can't find teh logline nao)
1880241;1544638423;a111;Logged on 2014-03-10 15:06 mircea_popescu: sie gonnen mir nicht Schlesien und die Grafschaft Glatz...
1880242;1544638447;asciilifeform;aha, we had a a++ mircea_popescu thread re 'allocative vs subsistance functions of moneys'
1880243;1544638474;mircea_popescu;quite. but it's clarifying in my head!
1880244;1544638510;mircea_popescu;think about it -- they "pay" doctors, in fredericus rex dubloons, while they ALSO insist they... do what ? document their work, yes ? ie, construct the basis of wot-based payment.
1880245;1544638529;mircea_popescu;it's stupidly kept "closed", but what do you want to know when talking to a doctor ? "the list of previous cases plox" right ? ie "wot ?"
1880246;1544638593;mircea_popescu;meanwhile "money" in the dubloon sense is going away (certainly away from the hands of the plebs) to be replaced by... abstract version, plastic, db-money. so how does new man pay for doctor ? oh, he gives to hospital ~the voucher his place of employment gave him~.
1880247;1544638602;mircea_popescu;ie, empire is doing exactly what we're discussing here, just, ineptly.
1880248;1544638633;*;asciilifeform observed on numerous occasions that 'phree world' converged to exactly a 9000x less efficient version of ye olde su allocative structure
1880249;1544638634;mircea_popescu;"why does joe have voucher hospital x accepts where moe does not ?" "cuz visa black platinum blalblabla" "wut ?" "his employer is in the wot and vouches for him!"
1880250;1544638643;mircea_popescu;quite so!
1880251;1544638903;mircea_popescu;aanyway. labour allocation is broken and nobody has any better.
1880252;1544638991;*;asciilifeform cannot disagree
1880253;1544640851;asciilifeform;wb Mocky
1880254;1544640852;Mocky;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-11#1879752 Just bill me for my hosting, one year plz
1880255;1544640852;a111;Logged on 2018-12-11 20:09 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Also up for renewal are Mocky and nicoleci's shared hosting instances which you paid through December
1880256;1544640858;Mocky;thx asciilifeform
1880257;1544641012;Mocky;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-12#1879959   painfully slow from my pov, got three phone interviews coming up but not on the calendar yet cuz peeps taking time off. a bunch more that I'm waiting to hear about.
1880258;1544641012;a111;Logged on 2018-12-12 15:10 mircea_popescu: hey Mocky_ how's the hunt going ?
1880259;1544641032;mircea_popescu;it occurs to me, pending how well this goes, that we could have a bourbaki
1880260;1544641043;mircea_popescu;get it 500 remote jobs, can just do the work in here.
1880261;1544641098;asciilifeform;that'd rock
1880262;1544641110;asciilifeform;and could even be possible, if heathens weren't jawdroppingly retarded
1880263;1544641124;mircea_popescu;i don't see why it wouldn't be possible, tbh.
1880264;1544641133;mircea_popescu;certainly worth a try.
1880265;1544641171;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: for my enlightenment, plox describe brief algo for 'try'
1880266;1544641214;Mocky;why, cuz so many extra hands?
1880267;1544641247;mircea_popescu;have a team of specialist appliers to jobs, dump all the task in some flatfile for you folks to pass around encrypted, and that's pretty much it.
1880268;1544641259;mircea_popescu;whoever feels like doing some saeculum work that day draws a ticket.
1880269;1544641288;asciilifeform;i dunno where in saeculum works are packaged in parcels like this ( outside of 'fiverr' )
1880270;1544641298;mircea_popescu;remote job. you apply, you get it, right ?
1880271;1544641299;Mocky;relatedly, i haven't even applied to remote jobs yet. hand cranking through local options still
1880272;1544641332;mircea_popescu;Mocky i suspect "local job" is by now thin wrapper over "social security handout"
1880273;1544641343;mircea_popescu;like ye olde su "capital job".
1880274;1544641390;Mocky;in the past I've given serious consideration to arbitraging out my own secular tasks to indians or whathaveyou
1880275;1544641411;mircea_popescu;right ?
1880276;1544641419;mircea_popescu;i know this exists, whole outfits predicated on this scheme.
1880277;1544641420;*;asciilifeform does remote, for yrs nao. but it's still packaged in the form of 'here's this 1 d00d, and we rub lamp and he grants wishes, with voice command'. nao conceivably ~someone~ ~somewhere~ aint ameri-tarded and actually packages ~work~, rather than 'we rent a d00d and command via voice' , but i haven't seen this with own eyes yet.
1880278;1544641429;mircea_popescu;various small african/indian/etc towns fed this way.
1880279;1544641443;trinque;aha, Mocky and Oracle both
1880280;1544641448;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nothing wrong with still providing the bindings. what, so hard to pick up phone ?
1880281;1544641471;asciilifeform;rright, but the ameri-afflicted will balk if diff voice each time.
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1880283;1544641478;mircea_popescu;so use same voice.
1880284;1544641487;asciilifeform;so that means d00d does full-time neh
1880285;1544641490;mircea_popescu;neh.
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1880287;1544641496;mircea_popescu;voice does full time.
1880288;1544641500;asciilifeform;but even aside from ameri-tardation, generally they also want short-latency. ( what if nobody in bourbaki picks up ? )
1880289;1544641513;mircea_popescu;well, this is why i never mentioned this earlier.
1880290;1544641521;asciilifeform;how do you do 'voice full time' but other hands do the works, with short latency ?
1880291;1544641524;mircea_popescu;i'd suspect we can possibly cover it by now. dunno.
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1880293;1544641542;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i expect you're not hired out in stretches of fifteen minutes, like starvation whores.
1880294;1544641545;deedbot;Invoiced Mocky 0.0216 << Shared hosting annual
1880295;1544641552;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: no, quite opposite
1880296;1544641555;mircea_popescu;programmers are whores, but usually under a roof, not on the street.
1880297;1544641557;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so then ?
1880298;1544641586;asciilifeform;afaik items that actually cuttable into 15min packets are generally 'deskilled minwage' horror
1880299;1544641594;asciilifeform;rather than anyffing anybody here would touch
1880300;1544641605;mircea_popescu;you're so fucking obstructive, it's almost like your second nature in some fields.
1880301;1544641638;asciilifeform;'bridge will carry 50 tanks' 'but what about 51st' is sorta what asciilifeform does for living, lol
1880302;1544641641;mircea_popescu;look, "short latency", what's that mean ? either it means you're cutting carrots one at a time, or else it means you don't, therefore perfectly possible to have a specialist phone robot.
1880303;1544641644;mircea_popescu;now what's the problem ?
1880304;1544641707;asciilifeform;i can speak only for self. but for instance asciilifeform , in saeculum, maintains a 100s-kloc winblowz atrocity. and this requires keeping it loaded into head. how would this go under mircea_popescu's scheme ? each d00d in bourbaki stuck also loading it ?
1880305;1544641717;asciilifeform;( and keeping the dev envir around, etc ) ?
1880306;1544641723;mircea_popescu;nah. you're the only one that picks those sets of tickets.
1880307;1544641731;asciilifeform;sorta what happens already lol
1880308;1544641743;Mocky;my concern is that often it takes me a year to build an accurate enough mental model to be able to solve problem which prompted the lamp rubbing in a reasonable time
1880309;1544641745;mircea_popescu;no. because already, you sit on ass not hunting for jobs while mocky isn't doing any work.
1880310;1544641751;mircea_popescu;pooling works for this reason.
1880311;1544641782;mircea_popescu;Mocky people get fired all the time, who gives a shit.
1880312;1544641799;Mocky;but i'm totally down to give it a try (after employed). it's gonna be hoot!
1880313;1544641804;mircea_popescu;your issue is you keep creating these unrequitted love relationships withj employers.
1880314;1544641812;mircea_popescu;this scheme'd massively help your cognitive impairement.
1880315;1544641859;mircea_popescu;there's exactly 0 reason to ever care about some dollar-holding schmuck.
1880316;1544641870;mircea_popescu;notaperson.
1880317;1544641938;asciilifeform;buncha dirt is also notaperson, but farmer -- stuck giving a shit re dirt
1880318;1544641957;mircea_popescu;not in the sense of sticking with the farm after dust bowl event.
1880319;1544641983;mircea_popescu;(the other thing that will come to light, of course, is that 364 days of that proverbial mocky year are sheer makework, of the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-12#1880272 type ; and the various "specific problems" that "employers encounter" entirely unspecific)
1880320;1544641983;a111;Logged on 2018-12-12 19:02 mircea_popescu: Mocky i suspect "local job" is by now thin wrapper over "social security handout"
1880321;1544642001;asciilifeform;farmer can certainly walk away from his dirt, but then is naked but for shirt on his back.
1880322;1544642011;mircea_popescu;just as naked as was before.
1880323;1544642026;Mocky;brb, recruiter call! pfft
1880324;1544642034;mircea_popescu;"i have an employer" is the substance of the insanity here discussed. no, you don't HAVE jack. it has.
1880325;1544642185;asciilifeform;in practice, they're scarce (esp. if impose the condition of no 'office commute' idjicies ). ~possibly~ for world-class specialists this aint so, i suppose i've never reached this level so cannot comment there
1880326;1544642241;asciilifeform;took, e.g., asciilifeform , most of 2016 to find 1
1880327;1544642265;asciilifeform;( while sat in salt mine with ~0 juice available for productive tmsr worx )
1880328;1544642324;mircea_popescu;this is a facet of what i'm saying : rather than have you "look for a girlfriend as best i can when i perceive i need one", how about you have a ~girl~ look for girlfriends ALL THE TIME, and you can pick one or a few when inclined.
1880329;1544642340;asciilifeform;( and in my experience the worx that actually pay, don't 1024chicken-ize at all )
1880330;1544642342;mircea_popescu;ie, your problems, my dear farmer, come from the fact that you only try to kill cockroaches when "they get to be too many"
1880331;1544642365;asciilifeform;in abstract yes -- this is why folx form consultancies
1880332;1544642375;mircea_popescu;obviously a dishelved incel finally pushed to dating by desperation is going to produce less meat than a purpose-dedicated female, yes ?
1880333;1544642381;mircea_popescu;right.
1880334;1544642434;*;asciilifeform would switch, in a heartbeat, to fulltiming at hypothetical tmsr consultancy, if it could be made to get off ground
1880335;1544642738;Mocky;no mr. recruiter I don't have experience with Docker, as fun as that sounds
1880336;1544642765;mircea_popescu;i expect if attempted it'll immediately run into the same problem pizarro is encountering, whereas bois will do ANYTHING WHATSOEVER, no matter how patently stupid and laughing impending beheading in the face, just as long as it's NOT "talk to a lot of people".
1880337;1544642832;mircea_popescu;whereas this, like that, like all other interface-the-empire things, require the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-28#1845274 centerpiece.
1880338;1544642832;a111;Logged on 2018-08-28 22:27 mircea_popescu: and i do mean ~every single last one~. i talk to every single chick on fetlife, meaning EVERY SINGLE ONE. that's the job of existence. nothing else passes muster.
1880339;1544642943;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-12#1880271 -> I was under the impression that Mocky wasn't tied up /very happy in current place; why local /us anyway?
1880340;1544642943;a111;Logged on 2018-12-12 19:01 Mocky: relatedly, i haven't even applied to remote jobs yet. hand cranking through local options still
1880341;1544642953;asciilifeform;fetlife is a handy corral for gurlz. what'd be equiv, in mircea_popescu's eye, for this ?
1880342;1544642956;mircea_popescu;"gotta start somewhere"
1880343;1544642996;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "handy" in what sense ? cuz you know from reading eg http://trilema.com/2015/okcupidcom-the-dating-site/ about ~all the others~ ?
1880344;1544643025;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-19#1802755 << did you walk that db yet btw ?
1880345;1544643025;a111;Logged on 2018-04-19 01:51 mircea_popescu: ascii_lander, mod6 ben_vulpes the above q is serious, btw. have someone represent you on digitalpoint / whatever hosting forums ? or you deem it premature ?
1880346;1544643028;asciilifeform;'handy' in sense of 'here's this list of some-gurlz-some-elizas', for i in L... do '
1880347;1544643051;mircea_popescu;no, "handy" in the sense of "mp already did the work of enumerating tghe venues so i can name one that's handy on those shoulders"
1880348;1544643062;Mocky;when I look deeply enough into my pockets I see hunger about 6 weeks away, and my phone getting shut off and so I look for the closest solution at hand
1880349;1544643093;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo ( who iirc took this duty ) plox to comment re mircea_popescu's q ^
1880350;1544643104;mircea_popescu;diana_coman ever thought about taking in a 50yo male slave, mediteranean complexion ?
1880351;1544643135;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ikr.
1880352;1544643174;diana_coman;not until now; thinking
1880353;1544643188;mircea_popescu;well you got like six weeks...
1880354;1544643192;*;asciilifeform pictures Mocky as diana_coman's butler
1880355;1544643197;Mocky;hell no
1880356;1544643201;diana_coman;ahahaha
1880357;1544643203;Mocky;nothing personal!
1880358;1544643242;Mocky;not looking for help to solve my own problems. I'll solve and then contribute solutions to other problems
1880359;1544643244;diana_coman;might burn more than hunger for sure
1880360;1544643274;diana_coman;Mocky, don't worry, nobody will ever help you against own wishes
1880361;1544643291;mircea_popescu;Mocky you know, there's way worse fates than enslavement.
1880362;1544643324;Mocky;doesn't appeal
1880363;1544643429;Mocky;advice wise, i'm happy to accept help. action wise, I'll take the action
1880364;1544643442;mircea_popescu;well then.
1880365;1544643465;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> no, "handy" in the sense of "mp already did the work of enumerating tghe venues so i can name one that's handy on those shoulders" << Out of tophost.com, hostingdiscussion.com, topsearch.com, warriorforums, and forums.hostsearch.com, it seems only Digitalpoint might be worth a revisit
1880366;1544643478;mircea_popescu;what's a visit do ?
1880367;1544643510;BingoBoingo;Well, a plumb, Most of these "hosting" forums maybe see 20 posts a year from the same 4 wankers spamming in a circle
1880368;1544643548;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> what's a visit do ? << A visit allow a read of "Is anyone here", Was anyone here 2,4,5,10 years ago
1880369;1544643585;mircea_popescu;why not just enumerate the userbase and message them all ?
1880370;1544643639;BingoBoingo;Fuck it, why not try
1880371;1544643662;BingoBoingo;^ Any awk ninjas want to try this on a few forums?
1880372;1544644060;asciilifeform;Mocky: fwiw i've rarely been >6mo of battery charge away from hunger ( and on the few occasions when were, blew it on attempt at jailbreaking out ) , and at times was 6wk also.
1880373;1544644163;Mocky;anyway, I don't think specialist job applier is all that hard to do. tech companies are ripe for being gamed
1880374;1544644318;Mocky;i'm past most of my frustration with it now, noticing their weaknesses. if you can code A* on a white board in 10 minutes with no errors while talking intelligently about their beloved frameworks, then not hiring you would be a struggle
1880375;1544644364;asciilifeform;only problem is that they typically expect the d00d who drew on the board to later show up in their shithole 9-5
1880376;1544644410;Mocky;tru, but once they want you, some will allow remote. They've got to fill those recs by the end of the quarter!
1880377;1544644440;Mocky;plus many adverise remote to begin with
1880378;1544644850;Mocky;for bonus points, train a black chix to be specialist job applier
1880379;1544644927;mircea_popescu;aha.
1880380;1544644948;Mocky;i've thought about brushing up on my ebonics to troll some interviews. show up in brand new nike airs and NBA jersey, use gangster analogies for everything while talking computer science like everybody knows that shit
1880381;1544645002;mircea_popescu;i'd do it.
1880382;1544645024;mircea_popescu;i make it a rule to never be the most frustrated/annoyed/etc one in the room.
1880383;1544645036;mircea_popescu;if i'm pissed off, it just means someone else will have to be pissed off x2
1880384;1544645068;mircea_popescu;so... "if you don't want to rue the day you were born, better make sure i'm not out looking for a job ever. i hate that shit."
1880385;1544646791;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/12/vatican-finance-chief-cardinal-george-pell-convicted-of-sexual-abuse-in-australia-with-supression-order-barring-australian-reporting-on-conviction/ << Qntra -- Vatican Finance Chief Cardinal George Pell Convicted Of Sexual Abuse In Australia With Supression Order Barring Australian Reporting On Conviction
1880386;1544647120;BingoBoingo;^ A Lesser Podesta Convicted
1880387;1544648476;mircea_popescu;keks wtf is this nonsense.
1880388;1544648495;mircea_popescu;they had a secret session of #australia and everything ? lmao.
1880389;1544648500;mircea_popescu;world of 6yos.
1880390;1544648518;asciilifeform;lol seekrit trials
1880391;1544648533;asciilifeform;au is a kinda beta test lab for cutting-edge nato reich retardations
1880392;1544648543;asciilifeform;( recall, they have 'great firewall' nao, etc )
1880393;1544648716;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> lol seekrit trials << Apparently the standard for trials in Australia is seekrit until appeal in order to "avoid biasing retrial juries"
1880394;1544648739;BingoBoingo;But Austria apparently hasn't tried anyone worth the mention until now
1880395;1544648762;asciilifeform;lemme guess, appeal trial also seekrit, 'to avoid biasing' n+1th appeal ?
1880396;1544648765;asciilifeform;lol!
1880397;1544648769;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> world of 6yos. << On the Cardinal's lap
1880398;1544648779;asciilifeform;recursively, whole chain, from 1st trial to beheading, seekrit
1880399;1544648818;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Puede Ser, I haven't given much though to Australia's Kangaroo Courts as a legal system to get involved in
1880400;1544648843;asciilifeform;i'm still waiting for the next logical step of convergence to brezhnev's su, i.e. психушка instead of trial
1880401;1544648849;asciilifeform;!#s психушка
1880402;1544648849;a111;16 results for "психушка", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%D0%BF%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%85%D1%83%D1%88%D0%BA%D0%B0
1880403;1544648888;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it's a test bed for the rest of reich
1880404;1544648957;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: So is Canada, NZ, UK, etc. Everyone of the five eyes is a test bed for the others
1880405;1544649047;BingoBoingo;Or 5-eyes and a mouth (Phillipines)
1880406;1544649371;BingoBoingo;And the local response to alt-Leprosy in Salto has been a dog purge https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/unos-600-perros-fueron-sacrificados-por-tener-leishmaniasis-2018121210112
1880407;1544649480;BingoBoingo;An a rare non-performance after advance deposit case made the paper https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/pagaron-150-000-por-una-fiesta-de-15-pero-el-dia-previo-no-habia-salon-ni-la-confiteria-2018121119208
1880408;1544650637;BingoBoingo;And in further inflating away the peso: https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/lanzan-emision-record-de-us-500-millones-en-el-mercado-de-valores-uruguayo--2018121213554
1880409;1544652915;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/12/fbi-entraps-young-woman-into-terrorism-charges-by-becoming-her-entire-social-circle/ << Qntra -- FBI Entraps Young Woman Into Terrorism Charges By Becoming Her Entire Social Circle
1880410;1544653049;trinque;whatever, fbi just wanted friends.
1880411;1544653359;BingoBoingo;Ah, like that story where the frog ate the scorpion because that's just what they do. It's their nature to eat
1880412;1544653475;mircea_popescu;tl
1880413;1544653478;mircea_popescu;top keks.
1880414;1544653513;mircea_popescu;i imagine pantsuit.fbi is gonna start farming these, much like pantsuit.academia is farming "scholars" and pantsuit.tech is farming blackchickscode.
1880415;1544653597;mircea_popescu;(conversely : there was a slavegirl in toledo, ohio none of you lazy bums got to in time.)
1880416;1544653915;asciilifeform;!#s death ray
1880417;1544653916;a111;100 results for "death ray", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=death%20ray
1880418;1544654655;mircea_popescu;hey, "the message got cut off" has its effects.
1880419;1544655009;BingoBoingo;Well, seems pretty clear they are just farming them now
1880420;1544665638;*;asciilifeform finally grunted out & typeset new proof for ch14. nao for measure-77-times-cut-1ce..
1880421;1544671883;feedbot;http://bimbo.club/?p=104 << Bimbo.Club -- TMSR Log Summary - 11/21/2018
1880422;1544700424;diana_coman;!!rated douchebag
1880423;1544700424;deedbot;diana_coman has not rated douchebag.
1880424;1544700434;diana_coman;!v 26D6263DD1CF71B77F9F08B00E556AFD5151F70108D684D43B134054F28A21FF
1880425;1544700441;diana_coman;!!v 26D6263DD1CF71B77F9F08B00E556AFD5151F70108D684D43B134054F28A21FF
1880426;1544700442;deedbot;diana_coman rated douchebag -5 << obstinate time waster
1880427;1544700553;diana_coman;trinque, is the !!ledger cmd not working? deedbot seems to ignore it (didn't yet reply to one sent ~30 minutes ago although it replied to the !!rate meanwhile)
1880428;1544701573;diana_coman;lmao
1880429;1544701933;phf;the people must know!
1880430;1544702305;diana_coman;I'll consider it as part of my fanbase as per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-11#1879491
1880431;1544702305;a111;Logged on 2018-12-11 00:17 diana_coman: oh, fanbase,pfuai
1880432;1544702372;diana_coman;I lost count how many times I told him to go & exploit but apparently I don't know anything about modern vulnerabilities that can't be exploited
1880433;1544702568;phf;you don't understand it's a level 3 bounty, it's supposed to net him 3042 hckr.io points, and a payout of $27
1880434;1544703509;diana_coman;quite; tbh it merges into a sort of "code political correctness" model to me: basically the effect does not matter, but if you use the "wrong" and unapproved formulation then it's BAD; and it should be reported; and it matters!
1880435;1544710330;asciilifeform;holyfuq, that fella
1880436;1544710382;asciilifeform;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/XAWtr/?raw=true << selfsame lulzspamola preserved for l0gz.
1880437;1544712532;diana_coman;eh, he prolly found therefore a vulnerability in deedbot too!! look, he can still speak even if no voice
1880438;1544716683;mircea_popescu;so in the end the understanding is these bright young minds aspiring to a "computer security career" are the period politruks, looking to help construct a social narrative consensus by policing [the relevant forms of] speech ?
1880439;1544716707;asciilifeform;!Q later tell ben_vulpes canhaz logbot again in #a plox ? ty
1880440;1544716707;lobbesbot;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1880441;1544716709;mircea_popescu;this notion is so indigestible to me...
1880442;1544716822;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: my current impression is that ( possibly unlike the 'sjw chix' ) the 'bright young' douchebags dun even bother to consider the political substance of the oddball gymnastics they participate in, but see moar as simple mechanical motion, like plowing field
1880443;1544716842;mircea_popescu;this is how soviet-hero-pioneer worked, also.
1880444;1544716851;asciilifeform;aha
1880445;1544716871;mircea_popescu;the guy immortalized in 1984, "turned in uncle" etc... that's now a work of fiction. by then, had 2-3 decade history behind.
1880446;1544716883;asciilifeform;carefully avoiding thought is simplest way not to 'thoughtcrime'
1880447;1544716971;asciilifeform;fwiw i have nfi why d00d is banging on ~this~ door, there's 9000 others where could bang
1880448;1544716986;mircea_popescu;there's a good match between the [biology-driven] formalist approach of children, "act like adult become adult" and the purely formalist approach to the world of the superificial mental systems typical of naggum's "the meaningless lives of those who do not wish to have any meaning to their lives".
1880449;1544717010;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform because this is the only door that ~means something~.
1880450;1544717021;asciilifeform;the latter is exactly the former, but perma-wedged -- rather like dwarfism
1880451;1544717036;mircea_popescu;i'm of the same mind.
1880452;1544717110;mircea_popescu;but yes, in terms of ye olde "Wäre es da Nicht doch einfacher, die Regierung Löste das Volk auf und Wählte ein anderes?", 15yo soviet pioneer ~only true and proper citizen of soviet state.
1880453;1544717132;mircea_popescu;a point not lost on the very soviet state in question.
1880454;1544717310;asciilifeform;eh even 15yos mocked the crapola. e.g. the Official 'Как повяжешь галстук, Береги его: Он ведь с красным знаменем. Цвета одного' turned into '...он ведь с носом пьяницы цвета одного' and even '...Есть на чем повеситься, В случае - чего'
1880455;1544717324;mircea_popescu;the brighter ones lol.
1880456;1544717327;mircea_popescu;not the normies.
1880457;1544717333;asciilifeform;( there's ~infinitely many of these, for aficionado )
1880458;1544717343;BingoBoingo;Maybe the kid just needs a (((packing))) peanut internship with avik?
1880459;1544717415;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/D8JfE << orig form
1880460;1544717506;BingoBoingo;The pair can take turns drugging and appropriating each other, perhaps this even occupies them enough to constrain their external actions by occupying all their time
1880461;1544717595;BingoBoingo;Of course there is the mid-long term hazard the kid outlives avik and evangalizes the predatory stupids down the line
1880462;1544717617;trinque;diana_coman: works for me over here. at what time were you trying?
1880463;1544717669;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the 'normies', to the great wrath (and eventual demise) of that empire, imitated the 'bright'
1880464;1544718675;diana_coman;trinque, at ~11 and then later at 11:26; in between those it worked perfectly fine to rate
1880465;1544718716;diana_coman;hm, now it answers !!ledger though so I guess it was a hiccup at that time
1880466;1544718990;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-13#1880441 -> as in "can't stand it" or "can't make sense of it"?
1880467;1544718990;a111;Logged on 2018-12-13 15:58 mircea_popescu: this notion is so indigestible to me...
1880468;1544719455;diana_coman;at any rate, the whole "security testing" seems to be "check if they do x and y and z if they don't do one of them then vulnerability!!!"; no context, no interest for what the thing is or in what context it is used or what it stands for, nothing more than "did they say tovarase ceausescu x times per page?"
1880469;1544719914;trinque;diana_coman: wallet's a different service that connects to the other bot for IRC. I'll take a look when I get a moment. I wager the internet connection between the two went down.
1880470;1544719963;feedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2018/12/13/smg-comms-chapter-12-thread-safe-queues/ << Ossasepia -- SMG Comms Chapter 12: Thread-Safe Queues
1880471;1544719985;diana_coman;trinque, ah, that would explain it yes; at any rate it's no rush at all and no real trouble caused
1880472;1544720093;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i could've sworn that the standard provided queues
1880473;1544720123;asciilifeform;( did they end up having secondarystackism glued in, or what was it )
1880474;1544720132;diana_coman;asciilifeform, hm, I guess I need to search more and see exactly what it provides then
1880475;1544720143;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i haven't tried'em myself
1880476;1544720159;asciilifeform;but the 2012 rationale b00k seems to contain'em
1880477;1544720183;diana_coman;iirc there is some synchronized queue interface and container but it seemed overkill
1880478;1544720195;diana_coman;I'll read in more detail again at any rate, won't hurt
1880479;1544723124;asciilifeform;in other lulz, asciilifeform finally bought that bolix
1880480;1544723178;asciilifeform;( and funnily enuff, that thing was not even the highest-priced ancient desktop comp on lulzbay -- for mysterious reasons, crapple 'lisa' sells for e.g. 70k u.s... )
1880481;1544723305;diana_coman;!!rated juliankunkel
1880482;1544723306;deedbot;diana_coman rated juliankunkel 2 at 2018/12/13 17:48:15 << CS Lecturer at Reading Uni, invited me to give a Bitcoin talk.
1880483;1544723328;asciilifeform;oh hey
1880484;1544723336;diana_coman;juliankunkel, try !!up now
1880485;1544723387;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'ma try an' bribe a dentist to take those xray pics, seems like cheapest pill.
1880486;1544723413;asciilifeform;( might have to soft-stitch the shots, dental film aint quite large enuff )
1880487;1544723496;asciilifeform;cuz 'industry' people apparently were dropped by their mothers as children, e.g. one http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-12#1879986 , and 3 others no reply at all ( they dun like money ? )
1880488;1544723496;a111;Logged on 2018-12-12 16:14 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in other tardations, re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-11#1879893 >> the radiographers all seem to want 2-3k. which is lulzy, cuz for half of that one can simply buy the machine..
1880489;1544723503;diana_coman;oh hey, welcome juliankunkel !
1880490;1544723546;juliankunkel;hi all. Interesting stuff with your WOT and game.
1880491;1544723791;diana_coman;since Julian was at my talk on Monday, he now knows something about WoT :D But more to the point: he is so far the one and only Uni lecturer who wants to understand this bitcoin thing as opposed to just talk about it. So I'm quite happy he's here.
1880492;1544723802;asciilifeform;welcome juliankunkel
1880493;1544723834;asciilifeform;juliankunkel: you will find the logs ( http://btcbase.org/log/ ) to be of interest
1880494;1544723951;BingoBoingo;Welcome
1880495;1544723955;juliankunkel;asciilifeform: thx, I will have a look; I'm looking a bit round here.
1880496;1544723973;asciilifeform;juliankunkel: as a maths fella, you may also find 'ffa' ( asciilifeform's current item, http://www.loper-os.org/?cat=49 ) interesting, world's only sidechannelism-proof crypto lib, ~80% done
1880497;1544724116;juliankunkel;side-channel attacks seem fun; how much longer you'd expect until it works and is proof?
1880498;1544724140;asciilifeform;juliankunkel: it's 'proof' now. most of what remains is performance opt.
1880499;1544724164;asciilifeform;( i.e. starting with ch.6 can already rsa )
1880500;1544724230;asciilifeform;( see ch.1 , http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1913#selection-7.0-151.23 , re: what thing's made of and why )
1880501;1544724464;juliankunkel;asciilifeform: interesting stuff. going home now ; see you!
1880502;1544724471;asciilifeform;laters.
1880503;1544726391;mircea_popescu;diana_coman as in "the only possible statement of mp's ultimate optimism will be centered around a refusal to believe such, for lack of any other available centers."
1880504;1544726402;asciilifeform;guten tag mircea_popescu !
1880505;1544726458;mircea_popescu;hola.
1880506;1544726489;mircea_popescu;if you go the dentist route, make sure you check the rated power. plenty of the last gen things so low power, can't see through tin foil.
1880507;1544726515;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 10 or so KeV oughta suffice, by my napkin reckoning
1880508;1544726755;mircea_popescu;they measure in microsieverts (ie, grays) for some reason. but anyway, the latest ones do like 12 uSv
1880509;1544726904;asciilifeform;the board has 1 component side ( and 2 track sides, 0 sandwich, 1980s recall ) , the item of interest is the track side obscured by the components ( all through-holes ) .
1880510;1544726924;mircea_popescu;(background is about 2 uSv, for comparison)
1880511;1544726925;asciilifeform;so it'll be a straight subtraction ( of the visible bottom tracks ) .
1880512;1544726940;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there's no metal layer in between ?
1880513;1544726943;asciilifeform;nope.
1880514;1544726955;asciilifeform;it's a board of same type as FG ( but 100% through-hole )
1880515;1544726967;mircea_popescu;ah ah. well ok.
1880516;1544727001;asciilifeform;the 1 item of concern is heatsink on the cpu, i'ma pull cpu out prior to the magic moment
1880517;1544727051;asciilifeform;xray i expect is the 'easy' part. the real bitch will be the GALs
1880518;1544727070;asciilifeform;a coupla of them are of the kind that have flipflops ( so not susceptible to pure combinatorial brute )
1880519;1544727118;asciilifeform;if the orig maker didn't bother to set the 'no read' bit, it'll be 9000x easier (whether so, not known yet, afaik nobody's ever fessed up to so much as trying)
1880520;1544727118;mircea_popescu;i can see it.
1880521;1544727197;asciilifeform;1st logical step , on the magic day when asciilifeform has both pcb layout and GAL contents nailed down, will prolly be to make an exact physical copy of the board.
1880522;1544727243;asciilifeform;( then can sell the original back to the wanker people )
1880523;1544727261;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-13#1880490 << you ever read http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ then ?
1880524;1544727261;a111;Logged on 2018-12-13 17:52 juliankunkel: hi all. Interesting stuff with your WOT and game.
1880525;1544727278;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not a bad idea, at that.
1880526;1544727318;asciilifeform;phf may find interesting , that this 'macivory' happens to be the one with no weitek. which normally would be a sad, but in my case is gold, from my pov the weitek is just extra crud to emulate
1880527;1544727337;asciilifeform;let weitekism run in soft that bolix helpfully wrote, at fpga speed
1880528;1544727614;asciilifeform;( the crapple box the thing sits in, incidentally, is about 100bux on the junk markets, quite handily )
1880529;1544727651;asciilifeform;1 of those things that was approx on par with 'amiga'
1880530;1544727708;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/12/facial-recognition-being-used-to-screen-for-stalkers-at-blondie-concerts/ << Qntra -- Facial Recognition Being Used To Screen For Stalkers At Blondie Concerts
1880531;1544727782;*;asciilifeform miser, prolly oughta have gone to dks and bought 1 of these aeons ago. hell, the comp i'm sitting on nao cost > than the thing
1880532;1544727971;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'physical copy' + place to put logic analyzer sausage, if not obv. earlier (the orig item is pretty cramped)
1880533;1544727992;mircea_popescu;right.
1880534;1544728027;asciilifeform;really a 'sapper errs once' sorta job, if i zap so much as 1 GAL i'ma need whole new orchestra again.
1880535;1544728181;asciilifeform;and whoknows, perhaps the folx who attempted this in the past will finally pull their heads out of arse and come out into the light
1880536;1544728220;asciilifeform;( not banking on it tho, i suspect their heads have fully tissue grafted into arse at this pt )
1880537;1544728359;asciilifeform;while on subj, from the extant photo i already can see that ~90% of the board surface is sram/dram, each of which respectively would fit on a '90s-era 5v 1chip
1880538;1544728403;mircea_popescu;should be fun to see how well "magical tech" works if plugged into LARGE ram.
1880539;1544728415;asciilifeform;i dun think it has any extra addr lines
1880540;1544728422;mircea_popescu;i have a lingering suspicion we'd like x86 stack a lot better if memory had stayed the size it was WHEN THE DAMNED THING WAS DESIGNED
1880541;1544728428;asciilifeform;so will be same thing, only less mass.
1880542;1544728458;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: x86 was ~ok when 64k (i.e. prior to introducing 'segments' )
1880543;1544728473;mircea_popescu;yes, but the 1st step in the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-11#1879649 line will be... "just like bolix but with 1024x the ram"
1880544;1544728473;a111;Logged on 2018-12-11 17:34 mircea_popescu: then ~lone man~ of wanna-be rus' yellow man copied item.
1880545;1544728480;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha!
1880546;1544728522;asciilifeform;re bolix, iirc of the 36bit, 28 were available for addressing, so theoretically can 256MB.
1880547;1544728545;asciilifeform;( i dun recall if the 'xl' actually could be fed 256MB, possibly phf knows )
1880548;1544728550;mircea_popescu;can has 64GB ram on the cheap now. considering what period pricing was like, 2020 reconstructed bolix'd better have 1TB ram.
1880549;1544728566;asciilifeform;reconstructed can have whatever one likes, that aint the tricky bit.
1880550;1544728577;mircea_popescu;we'll see how this goes.
1880551;1544728584;asciilifeform;tricky bit is to turn thing from 'martian artifact' back into bits.
1880552;1544728614;asciilifeform;so folx can 'you wouldn't download a car!111' 'fuck you, would if i could' (tm)
1880553;1544728701;mircea_popescu;yes, but n+1 step there is... "well, bolix v2020 comes with 1tb ram. which it uses."
1880554;1544728714;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: presently can't think of any reason not to put whole effort, chunk by chunk, on www
1880555;1544728735;mircea_popescu;me either.
1880556;1544728746;asciilifeform;( witness, 2 yrs of FG and no 'chinese copy' )
1880557;1544728756;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, let's hijack this a little for some s.mg discussion.
1880558;1544728769;asciilifeform;yea subj is tapped out till i get the box in hands
1880559;1544728782;mircea_popescu;so, i hear from cto the comms spec's mostly implemented. now, we're at the point where we wanna make a rsa and a serpent sender.
1880560;1544728809;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc diana_coman wrote one 3wk ago
1880561;1544728819;mircea_popescu;there's two evident ways to go about this : either have these together in a single chunk that owns a socket ; or else have them independent, in which case what, they share a socket ? they each get a socket ?
1880562;1544728829;mircea_popescu;even go the distance of keeping a task manager to keep spawning them, and giving them sockets ?
1880563;1544728837;diana_coman;asciilifeform, lol, no, the point there is the sender/receiver layer of a eulora app essentially
1880564;1544728843;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: with diana_coman's variant of my udp routine, you dun need >1 socket to send
1880565;1544728854;asciilifeform;1 socket can send whatever one likes
1880566;1544728884;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform suppose you're on a multi-core cpu, suppose the socket's not filled but the sender is.
1880567;1544728896;mircea_popescu;spawning another one then makes sense.
1880568;1544728904;diana_coman;asciilifeform, you do need because 2 different sizes i.e. 2 different udp lib types essentially
1880569;1544728914;mircea_popescu;that also.
1880570;1544728939;mircea_popescu;diana_coman thinking of it : the ~server~ very likely wants a lot of sockets ; strictly because talking to multiple clients at same time.
1880571;1544728950;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, diana_coman : you have 1 thread, that monopolizes socket, and fetches from a semaphoric queue ( diana_coman posted such a queue today ). other threads can put whatever on queue, and sender sends.
1880572;1544728959;asciilifeform;you dun need a socket per client in udpism
1880573;1544728968;mircea_popescu;need nothing. does it help to have ?
1880574;1544728972;asciilifeform;imho not.
1880575;1544728982;mircea_popescu;any specifiable meat on that h ?
1880576;1544729013;asciilifeform;unix is retarded : limits total # of open sockets. so having >1 not only imposes overhead without achieving anyffing, but will eventually hit ceiling.
1880577;1544729015;diana_coman;asciilifeform, the q is basically: how many messages/sec clogs the socket essentially
1880578;1544729037;mircea_popescu;diana_coman the problem's rather, two sockets will possibly clog for fever total msg/sec than one.
1880579;1544729068;asciilifeform;diana_coman: you're cpu bound ( serpent ) so you likely will never hit the bandwidth bound. so the udpgrams will go in ~realtime.
1880580;1544729071;asciilifeform;no 'clog'
1880581;1544729103;asciilifeform;recall also that your udp sender is blocking
1880582;1544729104;diana_coman;asciilifeform, I don't follow - 1mn clients can send 1mn datagrams to server, what has serpent to do ?
1880583;1544729114;asciilifeform;therefore the call to it won't return until the packet has left the house
1880584;1544729114;mircea_popescu;diana_coman does it then make sense to have a process that has a socket open and handles the serpent queue, and one proces with a different socket open handling the rsa queue (with a view that these :6666 and :6667 ports then get moved to separate machines if need be) ?
1880585;1544729143;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, that was my current idea: 2 sockets, one for rsa and one for serpent, with different ports too
1880586;1544729149;mircea_popescu;defo diff ports.
1880587;1544729154;asciilifeform;it dun make sense, in that light, 'clog' -- all that happens if waiting on nic, is that the sender thread empties its queue slower.
1880588;1544729155;diana_coman;receiver just grabs from udp lib and drops into a queue
1880589;1544729160;mircea_popescu;whole reason to even do it liek this so client can separate its traffic
1880590;1544729169;diana_coman;doesn't even bother to decrypt or whatnot because anyway it has no info as to keys and all that
1880591;1544729180;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if you have 2 sockets, can even use orig variant of udptron.
1880592;1544729212;asciilifeform;( i.e. without the variant packet widths . instantiate one with rsa-width buffer, and 1 w/ serp.width )
1880593;1544729220;diana_coman;asciilifeform, I made it generic so I don't have to copy/paste code just for different const
1880594;1544729223;mircea_popescu;diana_coman the expectation that serpenting rather than netsending will be the processing bottleneck is not unfounded, imo.
1880595;1544729291;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: even on hypothetical box with 9000 cpus, still no 'clogs', all you get is that the sender waits on the nic. queue cannot overflow cuz your protocol is synchronous ( server dun send anyffing to client unless asked )
1880596;1544729324;diana_coman;well yes, as long as sender/receiver are ultra-thin aka only from/to queue to/from udp lib then no clog expected at socket
1880597;1544729327;mircea_popescu;"sender waits on nic" is what is meant by clog.
1880598;1544729353;diana_coman;well, except for the case where 1mn simultaneous clients I suppose but possibly that gets lost before even reaching the nic
1880599;1544729354;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i thought your orig queue was specifically re clog (impedance mismatch) in the unix ip stack
1880600;1544729357;mircea_popescu;diana_coman conversely, if they're that thin why do they exist.
1880601;1544729370;diana_coman;that's what I've been going round in for most of today!!
1880602;1544729391;asciilifeform;diana_coman: per my current understanding of mircea_popescu's protocol, it is immune to packet loss (i.e. client will retry)
1880603;1544729440;asciilifeform;i.e. if client's cord gets pulled, from his pov he will stall, from server's , his character is standing still, and when plugs back in, will live again
1880604;1544729445;diana_coman;asciilifeform, yes; the idea though was not to lose the packets that made it to the nic though aka because server busy sort of thing
1880605;1544729452;mircea_popescu;diana_coman to proceed logically : 1. it is factual that the expected bottleneck reasonably is de-serpenting. 2. everything-else then may safely be non-threaded. 3. do we actually want to thread the serpenting part ?
1880606;1544729559;diana_coman;1. expected bottleneck is message processing: encrypting/decrypting sounds most likely but in principle whatever further processing since not even specified yet fully! 2. the everything else is raw udp (aka udp lib) and feeding it/reading from it aka those would be sender/receivers
1880607;1544729601;diana_coman;3. I think that's to be a dynamic thing basically aka at a higher level server looks and if it needs to, it creates more workers to process those messages accumulating there
1880608;1544729603;mircea_popescu;anyway, i have an answer re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-13#1880600 : because this way you take the queue out of the ip stack's 64kb into the 1tb of ram or w/e you use.
1880609;1544729603;a111;Logged on 2018-12-13 19:29 mircea_popescu: diana_coman conversely, if they're that thin why do they exist.
1880610;1544729613;diana_coman;aha
1880611;1544729621;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in re 'synchronous', it is my understanding that client is not permitted to send a packet unless the n-1'st has been ack'd
1880612;1544729626;asciilifeform;so server cannot be 'swamped'
1880613;1544729636;diana_coman;asciilifeform, well, client CAN send
1880614;1544729641;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform im not strictly aware of this. whence the notion ?
1880615;1544729642;diana_coman;what is there to stop it
1880616;1544729655;asciilifeform;diana_coman: can send, but then he's a spammer, not client, and gets kicked
1880617;1544729680;mircea_popescu;diana_coman so then : a) thin wrappers mosrtly to rescue the queue from ip stack into ram ; b) threaded workers later, which may include but will likely not be limited to, specialist decipherers.
1880618;1544729687;mircea_popescu;that leave anything hanging ?
1880619;1544729690;asciilifeform;(i.e. added to the kicklist, which rejects packet in O(n log N) where N is number of idjits )
1880620;1544729782;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: threaded worker 'rescuing from nic' into queue, and threaded eaters eating from same, is how asciilifeform baked prototype gossip thing from which udplib taken
1880621;1544729786;asciilifeform;so imho a++
1880622;1544729802;asciilifeform;( asciilifeform's item defo not adult grade, however )
1880623;1544729803;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, works, it's a clear decision at least
1880624;1544729809;mircea_popescu;weren;'t you arguing asecond ago the rescuing from nic needn't be threaded ?
1880625;1544729819;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 1 thread for tx, 1 for rx
1880626;1544729827;asciilifeform;( rather than per-user )
1880627;1544729836;mircea_popescu;ah. "threaded" here means, "task manager spawns processes". think how apache server works.
1880628;1544729854;mircea_popescu;imo venerable, successful, and mandatory to copy mechanism./
1880629;1544729859;diana_coman;the one thing hanging would be re errors I suppose
1880630;1544729859;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu phrased it correctly earlier, point is to remove from ip stack the job of queueing
1880631;1544729870;mircea_popescu;diana_coman what errors ?
1880632;1544729875;diana_coman;what should sender/receiver do on udp lib barf
1880633;1544729878;asciilifeform;diana_coman: what sorta errors ? packet is either legit or not, neh
1880634;1544729885;mircea_popescu;udp lib can barf ?!
1880635;1544729888;asciilifeform;diana_coman: under what condition wouldja get udp lib barf ?
1880636;1544729889;diana_coman;eggogs
1880637;1544729893;asciilifeform;i can think of only 1, dead irons
1880638;1544729898;diana_coman;to use correct terminology
1880639;1544729904;mircea_popescu;ie the item died ?
1880640;1544729920;asciilifeform;it's like fg, the only failure mode is magic smoke release
1880641;1544729932;asciilifeform;( unlike e.g. tcp, where pipe can die )
1880642;1544729939;mircea_popescu;if it isn't, i'd like to know about it, because i quite like the model.
1880643;1544729950;diana_coman;well yes, it fails to transmit
1880644;1544729965;diana_coman;so raises UDP_Failed_Transmit
1880645;1544729965;asciilifeform;diana_coman: see what happens when nic cord yank
1880646;1544729976;diana_coman;q is what should sender do
1880647;1544729985;asciilifeform;( iirc nothing happens, udp dun guarantee delivery, lol )
1880648;1544729998;mircea_popescu;diana_coman you proposing it'd be better to resend than ignore ?
1880649;1544729999;diana_coman;well, udp lib closes the socket in this case
1880650;1544730024;mircea_popescu;when udp fails, it's generally because op got dc'd.
1880651;1544730026;diana_coman;I don't know but given Close_Socket(S), ignoring seems rather ...
1880652;1544730033;mircea_popescu;rather what ?
1880653;1544730061;diana_coman;weird because no way to recover even if plugged back in or something
1880654;1544730061;asciilifeform;diana_coman: have you managed to achieve the socket-closing eggog without directly abusing the lib ? (e.g. by trying to send oversized packet, etc)
1880655;1544730062;mircea_popescu;there's two possible situations here. 1. connection has transient problems, resending would help ; 2. connection died, resending will waste more time.
1880656;1544730076;mircea_popescu;the idea is udd_ft is 99.999x% 2 and never 1.
1880657;1544730077;diana_coman;but if udp lib closed the socket how would it help?
1880658;1544730088;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there ain't a 'connection' in udpology
1880659;1544730092;mircea_popescu;i was saying in principle.
1880660;1544730093;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform right.
1880661;1544730101;mircea_popescu;"logical" connection how shall i put it. path ? line ?
1880662;1544730118;diana_coman;I don't mean "resend this packet"
1880663;1544730120;asciilifeform;it eats a packet and then tries to send , afaik the os will not report a eggog on send() unless there in fact are no working nics
1880664;1544730131;diana_coman;I mean don't keep trying to send on a closed socket sort of thing
1880665;1544730137;mircea_popescu;well what could the wrapper possibly do other than resend ?
1880666;1544730154;mircea_popescu;but i mean... if the socket's closed the wrapper returns neh ?
1880667;1544730171;diana_coman;uhm, how/why?
1880668;1544730177;diana_coman;or which one do you call wrapper?
1880669;1544730196;diana_coman;the sender? so it's not ignore, but "abort all"?
1880670;1544730224;asciilifeform;diana_coman: my current understanding is that the socket won't ever close, if iron is intact.
1880671;1544730239;asciilifeform;( see if this holds , for various scenarios, yank cord, yank nic )
1880672;1544730244;mircea_popescu;diana_coman if the socket is in fact closed, your program dies, there's no twowaysabout this.
1880673;1544730255;diana_coman;I suppose "ignore" in the sense of let the exception propagate and the program die
1880674;1544730256;asciilifeform;it's like the fg serial socket.
1880675;1544730263;asciilifeform;and yes death is the correct behaviour.
1880676;1544730267;mircea_popescu;diana_coman that's a very overloaded sense.
1880677;1544730279;mircea_popescu;"returns" in the sense of "return error, let machinery stop"
1880678;1544730294;mircea_popescu;"ignore" in the sense of "keep trying"
1880679;1544730334;diana_coman;that was my original meaning but then I got the impression you said the wrapper should ignore so then...it should keep trying?
1880680;1544730339;*;diana_coman re-reads
1880681;1544730355;mircea_popescu;no, what i'm saying is that with udp it is ~never worth "Retrying" in the tcp sense.
1880682;1544730371;asciilifeform;if only thing that can kill the socket is killed iron, retrying it won't bring back to life will it.
1880683;1544730375;diana_coman;right, that wasn't the proposed approach at any time
1880684;1544730379;mircea_popescu;and this is a fundamental assumption baked into the udp spec etc.
1880685;1544730406;asciilifeform;correct, udp quite analogous to, say, radio, you can send but no promises that anyone heard
1880686;1544730414;diana_coman;asciilifeform, I don't know if/that that is indeed the only thing that can kill the socket; and testing won't quite tell me either
1880687;1544730443;mircea_popescu;i guess this is a spot you;ll have to proceed on faith,
1880688;1544730456;mircea_popescu;"there are not enough errors you can fix for the machinery to fix errors be worth having around".
1880689;1544730468;mircea_popescu;like an airport where it never snows, just meteors fall now and again. snowplows not useful.
1880690;1544730549;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, re ignore vs retry this sent me into confusion-mode: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-13#1880648
1880691;1544730549;a111;Logged on 2018-12-13 19:39 mircea_popescu: diana_coman you proposing it'd be better to resend than ignore ?
1880692;1544730558;mircea_popescu;ah ah.
1880693;1544730576;mircea_popescu;"wtf does he mean ignore, isn't that just resend???" sorta thing ?
1880694;1544730581;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: sorta the philosophy i went with in FG -- redundancy against iron-death error oughta live upstack ( i.e. you plug in >1 ) rather than inside box
1880695;1544730583;diana_coman;exactly!
1880696;1544730594;mircea_popescu;i see. not the best use of words on my part.
1880697;1544730610;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform indeed.
1880698;1544730659;mircea_popescu;in the other line, have you played with ada threads any ? are you friends ?
1880699;1544730666;diana_coman;anyway, rewinding: thin sender/receiver wrappers; on udp lib eggog, program dies (hopefully more gracefully than disgracefully but still death)
1880700;1544730678;asciilifeform;diana_coman's udp tester was threaded
1880701;1544730702;*;asciilifeform quite fond of the ada thread model, it's prolly closest one can get to sanity on pc irons
1880702;1544730712;mircea_popescu;yeah, it was.
1880703;1544730742;mircea_popescu;diana_coman yes, certainly should provide whatever diagnosis tools and equipment you want. i don't want to fill that in yet, it'll... come to you, as it happens :)
1880704;1544730745;asciilifeform;( ffa is not threaded per se, but is thread-safe, dun allocate anyffing other than on stack, i.e. can be used inside a thread safely )
1880705;1544730799;mircea_popescu;"this is needed for the same reason as the generic at UDP lib previously - to allow one to store Serpent messages or RSA messages while maintaining them clearly differentiated" << why are you putting ducks and geese in the same line though ?
1880706;1544730852;asciilifeform;you'd want'em in separate queues, neh? whole point of marking the packets distinguishable by size
1880707;1544730855;mircea_popescu;hm. i suppose this is okay, really. scalable enough, if eventually we decide to get a s and a r machine, they'll just have their own queues and that's it.
1880708;1544730869;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, counterintuitively hers is the right cut.
1880709;1544730909;asciilifeform;hm ?
1880710;1544730929;asciilifeform;( i thought orig mircea_popescu spec was 'keep rsa packets in own queue, so clearly cap the resource that is spent on'em'
1880711;1544730932;asciilifeform; )
1880712;1544730986;mircea_popescu;two kilobytes are two kilobytes. the advantage of doing it the way she does it is that if you get two machines later, you can run this code unmodified. the disadvantage is absent, because two kilobytes are two kilobytes, what do yo ucare if "separate"
1880713;1544731017;mircea_popescu;hers is the right cut.\
1880714;1544731029;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how wouldja, e.g., 'these 6 cpus for serpent, these 3 -- for rsa' if yer packets are in 1 queue ?
1880715;1544731054;mircea_popescu;this machine for serpent, this machine for rsa, is the model here.
1880716;1544731060;asciilifeform;aa
1880717;1544731063;asciilifeform;ok makes sense
1880718;1544731067;mircea_popescu;but re your q : these 6 workers pick rsa from queuer ; and these 3 pick serpent from queue.
1880719;1544731069;mircea_popescu;what's problem then ?
1880720;1544731077;mircea_popescu;not like the queued items are not tagged.
1880721;1544731081;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, that's precisely why I made it that way; I suppose it's not clear there at all but yes - because processing of rsa/s is meant to be easily and entirely separated physically, aka machines
1880722;1544731088;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: a 'queue' in the usual sense doesn't have a 'pick an X', it has 'pick from top'
1880723;1544731091;mircea_popescu;diana_coman you did good.
1880724;1544731112;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform afaik you can "get top X" rather than "get top" neh ?
1880725;1544731124;mircea_popescu;diana_coman can you ?
1880726;1544731131;asciilifeform;that aint called a queue, normally
1880727;1544731137;mircea_popescu;but ada does this.
1880728;1544731154;asciilifeform;can do it, but the resulting data structure called sumthingelse.
1880729;1544731169;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, the way I implemented it it's as asciilifeform says but the reason it is *this* data structure is because of intended use so linked to above
1880730;1544731176;asciilifeform;( 'priority queue', i believe. but from my brief look at diana_coman's posted item, it dun do this )
1880731;1544731191;diana_coman;i.e. yes, it could have been implemented as mircea_popescu describes if I didn't aim for this specifically
1880732;1544731202;mircea_popescu;well now i hafta go read this
1880733;1544731221;asciilifeform;diana_coman seems to have an ordinary queue.
1880734;1544731266;mircea_popescu;yes. diana_coman mind explaining how this works ? so, queue has 55 elements, 22 of which rsa packets. now what happens ?
1880735;1544731275;diana_coman;my implementation is just a bounded queue fifo, 1 item at a time in /out; and yes, I looked again at Ada's standard stuff and I could use I think a bounded_synchronized_queue container but then it forces me to put/get full structure
1880736;1544731298;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, what is to happen?
1880737;1544731308;mircea_popescu;well, serpent processor wants a serpent item to process.
1880738;1544731318;mircea_popescu;if it gets, and it gets a rsa item ?
1880739;1544731339;asciilifeform;what happens is that nothing behind the 22 rsa items is eaten until they are. as one'd expect from an ordinary fifo. hence asciilifeform's nitpick.
1880740;1544731341;diana_coman;q1 has 22 elements all of which are rsa packets; q2 has 33 items all of which are s packets ; rsa processor eats from q1 , s processor from q2
1880741;1544731355;mircea_popescu;oh so you DO have two queues then ?
1880742;1544731358;asciilifeform;so then 2 queues lol
1880743;1544731367;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, I thought you got that?
1880744;1544731370;diana_coman;ugh, confusion all over
1880745;1544731382;asciilifeform;( item can be made as mircea_popescu described, either from 2 fifos or 1 priorityqueue. but the latter is actually much moar complicated, in re moving parts, than the former )
1880746;1544731401;diana_coman;"as asciilifeform describes" aka 1 item put/get at a time; 2 different queues, one for rsa one for s
1880747;1544731409;mircea_popescu;i see.
1880748;1544731409;asciilifeform;+ priorityqueues dun have O(1) insertion.
1880749;1544731425;mircea_popescu;and then if we get two boxes, there's gonna be an allocated and always-empty queue on each of these.
1880750;1544731433;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, no
1880751;1544731437;diana_coman;why?
1880752;1544731442;diana_coman;one sender each too
1880753;1544731451;mircea_popescu;so you're gonna run different code on them ?
1880754;1544731451;diana_coman;you don't have to deploy rsa sender on s box
1880755;1544731454;asciilifeform;why wouldja have an empty queue (unless no traffic) ..?
1880756;1544731464;diana_coman;uhm, it's "different" in the sense of one parameter
1880757;1544731488;diana_coman;create one rsa_sender or one s_sender
1880758;1544731500;diana_coman;they are same code except payload_len parameter
1880759;1544731500;mircea_popescu;well, i had thought you did it the other way lol.
1880760;1544731518;diana_coman;which other way?
1880761;1544731606;mircea_popescu;ok, so the idea here is, that while maintaining different code on different boxes is costly and undersirable, nevertheless that is mitigated by the relative ease of the genericization/prototyping mechanism in ada ; whereas single queue model, as logically tempting as it may be, is costlier than it seems (not necessarily because insertion can't be o1, but still, machinery involved).
1880762;1544731608;mircea_popescu;something like that ?
1880763;1544731648;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: from my reading, diana_coman will have same proggy on 2 boxen, but routine-a runs on box a, and routine-b on b
1880764;1544731658;mircea_popescu;right.
1880765;1544731659;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, yes
1880766;1544731669;mircea_popescu;alright, i'm sold.\
1880767;1544731830;mircea_popescu;"I'm not even sure whether a sender/receiver should be in fact part of smg_comms" << while this has merit, i'd still keep them in.
1880768;1544731847;mircea_popescu;not like can't separate later. but generally speaking the tendency of v-trees is integration.
1880769;1544731874;diana_coman;given the decision for thin, it makes sense, yes
1880770;1544731882;diana_coman;because they are non-client/app specific really
1880771;1544731905;mircea_popescu;right.
1880772;1544731918;asciilifeform;diana_coman: 2nd link in post (to asciilifeform's www) malformed
1880773;1544731927;mircea_popescu; do they check and signal when queue is fuller than some percentage << i expect the task manager will have to do this. not the wrapper, no.
1880774;1544731994;diana_coman;aha; thin sender/receiver can't do anything about it anyway
1880775;1544731999;mircea_popescu;right.
1880776;1544732007;diana_coman;they will just get potentially stuck waiting for queue to empty
1880777;1544732034;mircea_popescu;we make the queue large :D
1880778;1544732088;diana_coman;asciilifeform, fixed
1880779;1544732091;asciilifeform;ty
1880780;1544732112;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, well, in principle you can run out of space and that'll raise an exception and program dies :D
1880781;1544732119;mircea_popescu;hehehe
1880782;1544732151;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, diana_coman: re queues filling : per my reading of http://trilema.com/2018/euloras-communication-protocol-restated/#selection-673.0-673.234 , well-behaved clients cannot cause queue to overfill, as it's a synchronous back/forth. so overfilled queue indicates somebody for the chopping block.
1880783;1544732166;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform where do you read this ?
1880784;1544732172;asciilifeform;linked snip
1880785;1544732185;mircea_popescu;eg, client can (and well behaved client is expected to) send multiple serpent keys upon first connection.
1880786;1544732186;asciilifeform;sect. 6.4
1880787;1544732196;asciilifeform;hm
1880788;1544732219;mircea_popescu;yes, "i move here" is tightly coupled.
1880789;1544732229;mircea_popescu;but "here's the 256 serpent keys i want you to pick amongst" is not.
1880790;1544732278;asciilifeform;yea strike that. ( asciilifeform mistaken in >1 way, it is also possible for '9000' legit clients to issue hello and overfill , even if it were actually the case that 1:1 handshake )
1880791;1544732295;mircea_popescu;right ?
1880792;1544732301;asciilifeform;aha
1880793;1544732381;*;asciilifeform bbl,teatime
1880794;1544742343;asciilifeform;meanwhile, for pro entomologists only, https://archive.is/UFTWQ ( e.g. 'Some like SNS Server have no reported breaches over almost 30 years. Companies wouldn’t buy them. FOSS folks don’t build them. To this day and uniquely to this sub-field, most folks well-known in security act like none of that work ever happened, ignore those methods that got results, and slowly reinvent them or knockoffs of them with less results. Their kern
1880795;1544742343;asciilifeform;els and VMM’s still have code injections and leaks the 1990’s versions prevented. Recent example being cache-based, side channels originally reported in 1992 in VAX VMM using analysis method from 1991.' )
1880796;1544742366;asciilifeform;( from backlink lint trap )
1880797;1544742597;BingoBoingo;In local news, the people are now dying waiting in line https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/sindicato-y-autoridades-del-bps-dan-versiones-diferentes-sobre-muerte-de-jubilados-haciendo-cola--20181213193244
1880798;1544746481;asciilifeform;in other lulz ( and given as http://logs.bvulpes.com/asciilifeform still dead.. ) , http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/iLAh3/?raw=true << recent proceedings from asciilifeform's outpatient tele-clinic .
1880799;1544746877;asciilifeform;( can laff if you like, at the d00d, but he ~does~ apparently have a blog. and it's even 1 that aint in 'lamp stack' , and i envy the pg load latencies.. )
1880800;1544746914;asciilifeform;apparently quitting drink, does do ~sumthing~
1880801;1544746927;asciilifeform;i gotta take to drink, so i can quit!11
1880802;1544750788;BingoBoingo;I dunno if that will work with your Russian physiology
1880803;1544750859;asciilifeform;worx 100% , just takes moarwork
1880804;1544750864;asciilifeform;( see e.g. eltsin )
1880805;1544750875;asciilifeform;or moar litrage, anyway
1880806;1544752503;mircea_popescu;yeah, what the hell happened with sns ?
1880807;1544752602;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: according to commenter, nsa killed.
1880808;1544752629;mircea_popescu;tbh, a recuperative scholarly series on sns would be most apt use of scholar's time.
1880809;1544752636;asciilifeform;verily
1880810;1544761983;feedbot;http://danielpbarron.com/2018/thank-you-for-your-opinion-and-concern/ << Daniel P. Barron -- Thank you for your opinion and concern.
1880811;1544762239;trinque;danielpbarron: "From reddit:" << are you just militantly anti-republican by now, or what
1880812;1544762264;danielpbarron;no
1880813;1544765466;feedbot;http://bimbo.club/?p=105 << Bimbo.Club -- TMSR Log Summary - 11/22/2018
1880814;1544811816;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-14#1880808 << on 2nd thought, 'no reported breaches' could mean 1 of 2 things !
1880815;1544811816;a111;Logged on 2018-12-14 01:57 mircea_popescu: tbh, a recuperative scholarly series on sns would be most apt use of scholar's time.
1880816;1544811841;asciilifeform;( and not necessarily the 1 implied by commenter.. )
1880817;1544811936;asciilifeform;in exactly same way that 'no reported thefts of gold from ft.knox' can mean 1 of 2 things.
1880818;1544812009;asciilifeform;( see also e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-23#1660268 )
1880819;1544812009;a111;Logged on 2017-05-23 02:41 asciilifeform: per dijkstra's 'testing can demonstrate the presence of bugs, but never their absence'
1880820;1544813005;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/12/germany-changes-sex-entries-in-birth-registry-to-add-third-diverse-option/ << Qntra -- Germany Changes Sex Entries In Birth Registry To Add Third "Diverse" Option
1880821;1544815446;mircea_popescu;hey, wasn't proclaimed the golden veal. merely worth documenting.
1880822;1544815462;mircea_popescu;since we're apparently all into bolixology or w/e you'd call it.
1880823;1544815666;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: believe or not, bolix aint even the least-gettable old/interesting comp
1880824;1544815738;asciilifeform;e.g. xerox lispm is rarer still ( and had own merits, which i pieced together 100% from docs and surviving photos and won't even go into in depth because approx as questionable as archaeology of merv... )
1880825;1544815790;asciilifeform;lotsa ancient artifacts are imho worth documenting. tricky bit is getting at the surviving crumbs.
1880826;1544815793;mircea_popescu;sure.
1880827;1544815856;asciilifeform;specifically in re 'iron built for reliability', 'tandem' was interesting. i dun expect to ever lay hands on 1 , tho
1880828;1544815895;asciilifeform;even the old ibm irons have a few things to teach pc re redundant/votingcircuit scheme.
1880829;1544815944;asciilifeform;( i.e. box had multiple cpu that had to majority-agree re outcome of a cycle )
1880830;1544816022;asciilifeform;reportedly items like this are being orbited , as cost-saving measure in place of ye olde saphire semiconductors. but there's ~nuffin publicly written re just how built.
1880831;1544816070;asciilifeform;afaik all such schemes still suffer at least 1 'jesus bolt'.
1880832;1544816165;asciilifeform;the win, when there is a win, is that you can make the jesusbolt 'stateless', i.e. if particle whacks it, it resets and retries the last cycle rather than going into metastable strange
1880833;1544816193;*;asciilifeform distant from subj, cannot comment in detail re how well worx
1880834;1544827618;phf;asciilifeform: i worked on tandem for a bit (known by then as HP NonStop), i appreciated the architecture, but entire software stack was cobol
1880835;1544827655;phf;well, i appreciated it in theory, didn't have enough active drive to grok it, nor the necessary background
1880836;1544827665;asciilifeform;oh hey interesting phf
1880837;1544827698;phf;i still remember one of the cobol guys pulling out random bits from it on day one and going "i can just pull a bunch of things and it keeps working"
1880838;1544827699;asciilifeform;btw phf i hate to repeat meself but am i ever gonna see that bolixgem you dug up, or will i have to get whole thing from xray
1880839;1544827723;asciilifeform;( the crate is slated to arrive tomorrow morning... )
1880840;1544827770;phf;well, you'll still have to xray some, because i barely have anything on macivory, but i'll go over the scans this weekend. i actually have (miracle of miracles) free weekend coming up
1880841;1544827785;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'ma prolly end up xraying with own hands, i dun trust heathen derps with the jools
1880842;1544827819;asciilifeform;phf: defo will have to xray, but thought 'oh hey possibly phf's material will give sumthing to correct against'
1880843;1544827851;asciilifeform;what i could really use is some PAL/GAL src. if ever turns up. will make the affair go 9000x quicker.
1880844;1544827876;asciilifeform;( fwiw i still dunno if the bolix people set the lock bit in those things or not; possibly they didn't even )
1880845;1544827960;asciilifeform;phf: my current plan for that box is , roughly, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-13#1880521
1880846;1544827960;a111;Logged on 2018-12-13 18:53 asciilifeform: 1st logical step , on the magic day when asciilifeform has both pcb layout and GAL contents nailed down, will prolly be to make an exact physical copy of the board.
1880847;1544828003;asciilifeform;( i aint gonna stick to the period srams/drams, cuz that'd be simply dumb , each really belongs as 1 chip )
1880848;1544828038;asciilifeform;( and really dun need dram at all, the drams on the daughterboard are all connected through period auto-refresher ic that presents as a sram )
1880849;1544828042;phf;so you want to make a replica that plugs into same hardware? i thought you'd want to do a fake mac harnes first?
1880850;1544828070;phf;i.e. get macivory working outside of macintosh context
1880851;1544828087;asciilifeform;phf: when thought about it, realized it was mistake : gotta find what the external-to-cpu logic on that thing actually does
1880852;1544828127;asciilifeform;plus i'ma need ivorytron with direct probes on the cpu lines, and there aint any room for such a thing in the orig
1880853;1544828137;phf;fair
1880854;1544828158;phf;you know if ivory on macivory actually replaceable, the way it is on xl?
1880855;1544828165;asciilifeform;( actually 1st item will actually be to ditch the ancient scsi hdd and replace with solidstate. i'd hate to lose the box to platter rot )
1880856;1544828176;asciilifeform;phf: socketed
1880857;1544828185;asciilifeform;in fact damn near errything but the filter caps is socketed.
1880858;1544828212;phf;yeah, the scsi/solidstate adapter exists, is actively used for "retro hardware"
1880859;1544828277;asciilifeform;aha
1880860;1544828282;asciilifeform;fortunately was quite gettable
1880861;1544828295;asciilifeform;( didn't exist ~5y ago when i last contemplated doing all of this )
1880862;1544833775;feedbot;http://danielpbarron.com/2018/this-goes-against-all-human-rationality/ << Daniel P. Barron -- This goes against all human rationality.
1880863;1544833853;asciilifeform;phf: i am thinking, instead of burning time on emulating 'nubus' and ancient crapple, when working (from mac-side pov) clone exists i'ma drive it directly via onboard ft2232hl or similar ( the mac-side src , i've had for yrs, and it's quite straightforward re what is done to the card; once i know what specifically happens on the card when nubus regs are written, may as well do it from pc directly to/from the ivory cpu via usb-to-5v-f
1880864;1544833853;asciilifeform;ifo )
1880865;1544833860;asciilifeform;a sort of anal feeding, if you will.
1880866;1544833967;asciilifeform;the item can then be used as fairly compact instrument to probe behaviour of the chip vs. the old emulators.
1880867;1544834138;asciilifeform;incidentally, i had potentially interesting notion: a modern-day digicam ccd, of e.g. 25 'megapixel', is just about dense enuff that one could take a meaningful xray of the ivory die, if one could be found that responds to xray..
1880868;1544834170;asciilifeform;very much an open q tho.
1880869;1544834269;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: full bore calvin, eh
1880870;1544834286;danielpbarron;me? no, calvinism leads to hell
1880871;1544834325;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: plox to expand then, what do we get when we xor danielpbarron's no-free-wills with calvin
1880872;1544834366;danielpbarron;the best explaination is linked in that article, http://www.atruechurch.info/calvinarmin.html
1880873;1544834380;danielpbarron;but calvinism promotes the false doctrine of limited attonement
1880874;1544834397;danielpbarron;the idea that Christ died only for the elect, rather than for the entire world
1880875;1544834447;asciilifeform;also possibly i missed sumthing, but didn't danielpbarron schism from 'truechurch' ?
1880876;1544834455;asciilifeform;( or was it over some other doctrine )
1880877;1544834503;danielpbarron;huh? i am part of "a true church" -- idk where you got the idea i left
1880878;1544834508;asciilifeform;hm
1880879;1544834513;asciilifeform;!#s darwinfish
1880880;1544834513;a111;1 result for "darwinfish", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=darwinfish
1880881;1544834517;asciilifeform;hrm
1880882;1544834549;danielpbarron;maybe you are looking for this http://danielpbarron.com/2018/show-me-the-light-by-all-means-but-later/
1880883;1544834584;asciilifeform;could've sworn there was sumthing re a schism
1880884;1544834637;danielpbarron;yeah, darwin split from grace comminity baptist, and al soto split from darwin's thing
1880885;1544834646;asciilifeform;a
1880886;1544834820;*;asciilifeform bbl : off to maffs room for ~3rd~ rewrite of ch14...
1880887;1544844425;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in phuctor q&a, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1zcrs/?raw=true
1880888;1544844438;asciilifeform;( ben_vulpes : can haz logging back in #a plz ? )
1880889;1544844460;asciilifeform;do i have to write own log bot nao on top of errything else ?
1880890;1544850715;mircea_popescu;can just deploy it neh ? written already.
1880891;1544851803;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-14#1880830 << afaik satellites meanwhile were chinesium'd. "oh, it is broken ? launch another one".
1880892;1544851803;a111;Logged on 2018-12-14 19:33 asciilifeform: reportedly items like this are being orbited , as cost-saving measure in place of ye olde saphire semiconductors. but there's ~nuffin publicly written re just how built.
1880893;1544851831;mircea_popescu;it all started with the gps -- there, MUST have multiple sats for multiple positions. but "if there -- everywhere", so now the method is "just launch seven".
1880894;1544851882;mircea_popescu;what's not being discussed is the problem of space debris. but yes, unsurprisingly enough and predictably enough the end result of "people can now go to space" was "earth now looks like a ball of burata looks once the mold can '''go to space'''. ie, surrounded by a skirting of debris,"
1880895;1544851908;mircea_popescu;because "people" aren't a thing, it's a catchall phrase including anything and everything, and mostly nothing by mass.
1880896;1544852110;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-14#1880841 << if you do, follow hygiene correctly. xraying not unlike ye olde metal foundry technician's job.
1880897;1544852110;a111;Logged on 2018-12-14 22:49 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'ma prolly end up xraying with own hands, i dun trust heathen derps with the jools
1880898;1544852217;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-14#1880848 << honestly taking the dram out of it entirely major simplificatory cut of great gain.
1880899;1544852217;a111;Logged on 2018-12-14 22:53 asciilifeform: ( and really dun need dram at all, the drams on the daughterboard are all connected through period auto-refresher ic that presents as a sram )
1880900;1544852372;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-14#1880861 << incidentally, if and when this pays off (which i suspect it will), shall be lulzy to see the "oh, didn't happen, we did it first bla bla bla" morons.
1880901;1544852372;a111;Logged on 2018-12-14 22:58 asciilifeform: ( didn't exist ~5y ago when i last contemplated doing all of this )
1880902;1544852469;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-15#1880867 << dude just how junkwars are you gonna get lmao. there's a special die, similar in principle, but diff materials, wtf.
1880903;1544852469;a111;Logged on 2018-12-15 00:35 asciilifeform: incidentally, i had potentially interesting notion: a modern-day digicam ccd, of e.g. 25 'megapixel', is just about dense enuff that one could take a meaningful xray of the ivory die, if one could be found that responds to xray..
1880904;1544853222;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you'd want to coat it in luminophore, prolly
1880905;1544853259;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-15#1880896 << i figure 100metre of 1/d^2 oughta suffice
1880906;1544853259;a111;Logged on 2018-12-15 05:35 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-14#1880841 << if you do, follow hygiene correctly. xraying not unlike ye olde metal foundry technician's job.
1880907;1544853318;*;asciilifeform has a sort of outhouse, for such work
1880908;1544853377;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-15#1880900 << i won't even be esp. disappointed if result is that the sitters-on-tapes pull heads out of collective arse and post the goods
1880909;1544853377;a111;Logged on 2018-12-15 05:39 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-14#1880861 << incidentally, if and when this pays off (which i suspect it will), shall be lulzy to see the "oh, didn't happen, we did it first bla bla bla" morons.
1880910;1544853443;mircea_popescu;do me a favour and read "x ray hygiene" as a thing, it's not a one liner.
1880911;1544853626;asciilifeform;there's the keV vs mm of xyz penetration curve etc.
1880912;1544853684;mircea_popescu;there's also the what to discard, what not to have in there at all (yes there's such a thing as xray mirror, also some plastics are no good, and so on).
1880913;1544853716;asciilifeform;grazing-incidence mirror aha
1880914;1544853721;mircea_popescu;right.
1880915;1544853748;asciilifeform;( the only kind there is, in that spectrum, sadly, or we'd have microscope )
1880916;1544853758;mircea_popescu;it's a thing. when you're going "meh, ima use a dental kit" you're being one kinda lulzy. when you're going "a-ha, ima make xray out of old tv tube and camera sensor" you're being ANOTHER kind.
1880917;1544853815;asciilifeform;my particular setup ( and yes have 1 from ~last~ time this came up ) has somewhat opposite problem of 'shoot self and bystanders' -- it aint a dental kit, but surplus tube the size of finger, orig . was used to measure thickness of au on glass sinter
1880918;1544853819;mircea_popescu;no need for another curie.
1880919;1544853843;mircea_popescu;or w/e, golania.
1880920;1544853857;asciilifeform;i.e. barely detectable output, will need relatively long exposure.
1880921;1544853859;mircea_popescu;!#s goiania incident
1880922;1544853860;a111;0 results for "goiania incident", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=goiania%20incident
1880923;1544853866;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it was in trilema piece
1880924;1544853874;mircea_popescu;no fucking way, we so keked at the blue jool powder
1880925;1544853878;mircea_popescu;aaa right.
1880926;1544853881;asciilifeform;the co-60 brazilians.
1880927;1544853902;mircea_popescu;right ? buncha moron/anal princesses discovered the ultimate precious stones.
1880928;1544853917;mircea_popescu;true harccore glitter.
1880929;1544853983;asciilifeform;if they'd watched it glitter from 100m, would've lived, lol
1880930;1544853996;mircea_popescu;ya well.
1880931;1544854403;asciilifeform;btw gedankenexperiment -- given patience, and a rigid, immovable photo subject (e.g. pcb) , can take radiogram... without tube. ( sun. a la the 'erase uv eprom without eraser' method ) . by my napkin calc, 8 or so months of film cassette on rooftop oughta produce an image..
1880932;1544854448;mircea_popescu;yeah, totally what you want is 8 months sunbathing for your bolix.
1880933;1544854473;asciilifeform;not given as practical how-to, but 'could or could not'
1880934;1544854528;mircea_popescu;(you don't have detectors that fine, you'll get 8 months' worth of noise. but anyway.)
1880935;1544854560;asciilifeform;what detectors. photopaper in sealed metallic pouch.
1880936;1544854574;mircea_popescu;it's not fine enough.
1880937;1544854598;asciilifeform;( believe or not, this is an actual problem for folx keeping stockpile of photopaper, it fogs even without 'sunbathe' , from background gamma . which is likely why scheme wouldn't work.)
1880938;1544854611;mircea_popescu;yes, but ~fogs~.
1880939;1544854722;asciilifeform;suppose cassette sat in trough of pb, 2cm or so in thickness. ( i.e. only path for photon onto paper, is through the $object )
1880940;1544854816;asciilifeform;on 2nd thought, will still produce rubbish, from those very same grazing reflects.
1880941;1544854879;asciilifeform;you'd need a 'shadow mask', like in ye olde crt !
1880942;1544854886;asciilifeform;'game not worth candles' .
1880943;1544854943;*;asciilifeform bbl
1880944;1544854999;mircea_popescu;that thickness will filter out signal.
1880945;1544890818;mircea_popescu;aaand just in case anyone was missing these, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/0NV4h/?raw=true
1880946;1544891315;BingoBoingo;Awe
1880947;1544891480;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: approx what % pass the 'omfg it's cut off' litmus ?
1880948;1544894816;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/12/reports-anti-macron-french-increasingly-compliant-as-tyrants-gendarmies-intensify-anti-civilian-violence/ << Qntra -- Reports: Anti-Macron French Increasingly Compliant As Tyrant's Gendarmies Intensify anti-Civilian Violence
1880949;1544895260;mircea_popescu;not 10%. >90% of them about evenly split between the indolent imbecility of silence and aggressive stupidity of the "wut".
1880950;1544895482;mircea_popescu;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/dcTLv/?raw=true << sample "makes it". they do exist, just, the english speaking world readily approximates as a small townstead drowned in an ocean's worth of inexplicably voluble & outspoken krill.
1880951;1544895657;BingoBoingo;Damn "passed time" time stamping. Though for a second there was a 51 year old cuck involved
1880952;1544895688;mircea_popescu;i expect it's another dazed twenty-something.
1880953;1544895707;mircea_popescu;this whole "mate within age group" thing the anglos got going is really hurting them.
1880954;1544896189;BingoBoingo;And everyone else buying it
1880955;1544896783;asciilifeform;'I come along with a cuck' 'I'm marrying him' << lol!!
1880956;1544897015;mircea_popescu;i think her situation is rather typical.
1880957;1544897097;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-15#1880894 << thinking of this and the whole sns/hp nonstop etc thing : i suspect a large chunk of the way things went may be driven by a (naive, and not necessarily spoken) "what if machine becomes sentient and you cant' turn it off" phobia.
1880958;1544897097;a111;Logged on 2018-12-15 05:31 mircea_popescu: what's not being discussed is the problem of space debris. but yes, unsurprisingly enough and predictably enough the end result of "people can now go to space" was "earth now looks like a ball of burata looks once the mold can '''go to space'''. ie, surrounded by a skirting of debris,"
1880959;1544897150;mircea_popescu;it's certainly evident in period napkin notations (because yes, stuff like asimov's productions are "the napkin doodles of scientific work") ; and strictly speaking there is exactly no difference between "sentient machine" and "metastable strange". that's exactly what sentience fucking is, metastable strange.
1880960;1544897159;mircea_popescu;look at the fetlife girls as the finest example.
1880961;1544897236;mircea_popescu;this may then explain "insane" choices such as boggle naggum.
1880962;1544897269;mircea_popescu;Ask him why he thinks he should be able to get away with unsafe code, core dumps, viruses, buffer overruns, undetected errors, etc, just because he wants “speed”. << "i asked him, he shrugged his shoulders and went 'well, at least my machine won't fucking take over the world.'"
1880963;1544897311;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i can't say i have ever encountered this phobia outside of the yudkowsky/reddit/etc weirdos
1880964;1544897322;mircea_popescu;or "i, robot".
1880965;1544897336;asciilifeform;in order to suffer from it, afaik it is necessary to have never worked at any length with actual comp.
1880966;1544897342;mircea_popescu;or the foundation. or everywhere you turn in the 70s literate production.
1880967;1544897352;mircea_popescu;guess what -- people in the 70s hadn't.
1880968;1544897361;asciilifeform;rright, mostly yarns by folx who pre-dated microcomp.
1880969;1544897381;mircea_popescu;but last night's fairytales inform this morning's breakfast design!
1880970;1544897413;asciilifeform;it's rather like to say 'sailors, they fear krakens' 'mmno? what century yer posting from?'
1880971;1544897441;mircea_popescu;i thought we previously agreed last time any actual design work went into computing the year was 1979
1880972;1544897472;asciilifeform;moar like '89
1880973;1544897474;mircea_popescu;btw, you ever met one of those athletes who never changed their socks this month
1880974;1544897479;mircea_popescu;because complex superstition ?
1880975;1544897493;asciilifeform;i thought it was mostly pokerists, and shirts rather than socks
1880976;1544897503;mircea_popescu;there's a lot of variety out there, "i have a cuck, i'm marrying him" doesn't even top the scale.
1880977;1544897513;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's all sorts. specifically included, "thinking" folk.
1880978;1544897521;*;asciilifeform under no illusion that said specimen 'tops scale'
1880979;1544897524;mircea_popescu;i've yet to encounter, this fabled wonder of the ages, the thinking man.
1880980;1544897569;asciilifeform;people think (if at all) 'part-time'
1880981;1544897599;asciilifeform;sorta how i've met runners, even competition-grade ones, but they did not run all day, erry day, to kitchen, to toilet, etc
1880982;1544897633;mircea_popescu;precisely. i have regular bowel movements that do not tend to interfere with my daily life ; but even so i still spend most of the day doing other things.
1880983;1544897648;asciilifeform;exactly like-so
1880984;1544908323;feedbot;http://bimbo.club/?p=106 << Bimbo.Club -- TMSR Log Summary - 11/23/2018
1880985;1544917801;asciilifeform;in other noose, phf , mircea_popescu , et al, the bolix is here. dks packs a++ , princely, all parts on manifest , and kilometre of bubbles. will post photos as soon as i wrap up my albatross of this week, ch14
1880986;1544917824;mircea_popescu;cool
1880987;1544917877;asciilifeform;( this makes for ~3~ original bolix cd sets in asciilifeform's torture room. anybody in l1 want one ? )
1880988;1544917930;asciilifeform;thing also came complete with a bolix-encharactered 1980s crapple kbd.
1880989;1544917937;asciilifeform;and the infamous 1button mouse
1880990;1544917982;asciilifeform;( it also came with the nic, so i'ma run it through x11. but will keep these around for later http://btcbase.org/log/2014-01-19#449479 )
1880991;1544917982;a111;Logged on 2014-01-19 19:38 asciilifeform: as a boy, i read about an 18th c. book, 'Triple Power over the Forces of Hell'
1880992;1544918063;asciilifeform;d00d even gives '30 day guarantee', which is quite atypical for museum irons.
1880993;1544918597;*;asciilifeform smoke-tested just nao; runs...
1880994;1544918960;asciilifeform;clock, interestingly, set.
1880995;1544918982;*;asciilifeform wonders where dks gets the oddball bios batteries the ancient crapples took
1880996;1544919343;phf;neat, did you get crapple way ahead, or had it from before?
1880997;1544919354;asciilifeform;phf: came as complete kit
1880998;1544919365;asciilifeform;for 4k orcbux it'd better, lol
1880999;1544919417;asciilifeform;( iirc the crapple box per se is worth about a hundy on junkmarkets )
1881000;1544919686;phf;ah, huh, he's an experienced showman, could've probably sold as a board, without anything else and still fetched the same price
1881001;1544919701;asciilifeform;interestingly nobody but asciilifeform bid
1881002;1544919750;asciilifeform;possibly i'm the last archaeologist who didn't have 1 yet, lol
1881003;1544919830;phf;or it was always the same 5 people bidding
1881004;1544919839;asciilifeform;already missed 1 last yr for, iirc, 3k, didn't want to wait until it's 5,6,9000 (or entirely extinct)
1881005;1544919909;asciilifeform;phf: damned if i know. in as far as i can tell, the entire 'user komyoonity' consists of asciilifeform , phf, and a dozen http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693150 's
1881006;1544919909;a111;Logged on 2017-08-03 03:38 asciilifeform: https://symbolics.lisp.engineer/goals << in other lulz.
1881007;1544920050;phf;asciilifeform, that's entirely my impression. the xl that i bought went at asking price, because ^ wasn't bidding, the rest of them were bought by the same guy, and he was bidding against a handful of desperados. i suspect that the whole thing was a fluke, or rather the Rembrandt  market was a combination of luck and skill on the part of dks
1881008;1544920092;trinque;wahahah "completed: made some icons"
1881009;1544920107;asciilifeform;i suspect it's moar like the high prices of illicit cell pnoje in jail. i.e. not high because megatonnes of money circulating, but because supply so thin.
1881010;1544920187;asciilifeform;iirc in early 2000s, 'american express' unplugged its bolix cluster ( handled fraud detection thingie ) , and surplussed coupla hundred machines. wonder where they went.
1881011;1544920216;asciilifeform;couldn't have all gone to the au recyclers, i dun think.
1881012;1544920320;asciilifeform;for comparison, http://www.lispmachine.net/symbolics.txt is identical to the document i got from dks in '07. quotes 3.2k for the exact box i uncrated today.
1881013;1544920452;phf;i bought a barely used eizo cg243w from a russian guy. it was one of his last possessions (no work and didn't want to become a "corporate whore"), and he talked about how quality of everything went down and keeps going down and that you really only can trust 2009 hardware at the latest. i wonder if there are more people like that hoarding their prized bolix, but without yet hitting the necessity to sell one.
1881014;1544920489;asciilifeform;phf: i got 1 of those here, lol
1881015;1544920492;asciilifeform;a+++ panel
1881016;1544920516;asciilifeform;phf: quite possibly, hoarders
1881017;1544920569;asciilifeform;also so happens also that the most recent piece of iron in the torture room , excluding FG, is from '09. ( the opterons in the box i'm sitting on nao. )
1881018;1544920586;asciilifeform;well, also excluding ssd
1881019;1544920645;*;asciilifeform possibly has laboratory instrument from later date, but can't immediately think which specifically
1881020;1544920690;phf;well, he's not wrong
1881021;1544920705;asciilifeform;imho moar or less exactly right.
1881022;1544920787;asciilifeform;trinque: 'lisp engineer' (picture) is simply the most publicly-egregious example i know of . prolly there are others, similar, but with fewer lolcatpics
1881023;1544920908;asciilifeform;at one time i actually went through his entire www, thinking to find even 1 shot of PAL/GAL with the sticker off, to identify the part. found 0.
1881024;1544921015;phf;i think he took a bunch of macro photos of random parts, and wrote a zmachine version 0 emulators, which in itself can be noted, if the rest of it wasn't so obnoxious
1881025;1544921028;asciilifeform;he wrote something ?! i had nfi
1881026;1544921092;asciilifeform;he reminds me of that kanzure d00d, who 'look, i spent $2mil on microscope parts' 'so what didja micrograph?' '...'
1881027;1544921163;asciilifeform;asciilifeform's purchase of 3620 back in the day may've been a dead end, but at least only wasted a handful of posts on subj.
1881028;1544921205;asciilifeform;( and also didn't pompously 'lisp engineer' title blog... )
1881029;1544921210;mircea_popescu;some dead ends take walking to eliminate.
1881030;1544921219;asciilifeform;sure do.
1881031;1544921231;mircea_popescu;qatar eminent example, nothing one ~said~ could've done it.
1881032;1544921244;phf;asciilifeform, https://github.com/LispEngineer/genera-src/tree/master/gczm and https://github.com/LispEngineer/genera-patches
1881033;1544921264;phf;(there are some other hacks in genera-src, but i don't want to investigate at the moment)
1881034;1544921311;asciilifeform;phf: the 2nd link contains dks patches
1881035;1544921349;asciilifeform;the 1st, lol, port of 'zork' to bolix...
1881036;1544921363;asciilifeform;iguess that's sumthing.
1881037;1544921383;asciilifeform;( at the very least, is moar than i've written for it )
1881038;1544921384;phf;asciilifeform, yeah i just included the patches in case there's something interesting there (i don't know what the overlap of patchsets is between machines)
1881039;1544921630;asciilifeform;funny how this thing boots faster than 'modern' microshits.
1881040;1544921642;asciilifeform;( 3620 was approx on part with winblowz for boot time )
1881041;1544929486;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in heathen lulz, "Unity Web Player games are no longer playable on Chrome, Firefox, or Edge browsers."
1881042;1544929494;mircea_popescu;what the fuck are they thinking, keks.
1881043;1544930887;asciilifeform;wassat?
1881044;1544933511;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "unity" was a wanna-be proprietary alt-flash.
1881045;1544933903;mircea_popescu;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unity_Technologies << vaguely interesting to the entomologist, i guess. 100% vaporware, shit never worked nor was it ever useful. yet for reasons unclear it received the microsoft treatment, where usg.ibm started throwing money at it for no reason, rather than the http://trilema.com/2015/you-know-what-gets-no-airplay-unflattering-truth/ usual pump-and-dump scam treatment.
1881046;1544933939;mircea_popescu;~why~ exactly the robohitler chose to act as if this piece of shit is "the future" for a decade starting cca 2010 is the faint interesting bit in here.
1881047;1544934121;mircea_popescu;and before "conspiracy theory", as in "they have a mailing list, http://qntra.net/2015/11/disgraced-gavin-of-global-warming-government-scaling-debate-moves-on-to-alt-kook/ style, talked it over there in secret and consensused to pick this" : the idiots s.mg forked legacy eulora codebase from also famously "decided to switch to unity".
1881048;1544934208;mircea_popescu;anyone with even cursory qualifications in software project management could have pointed out they have 0 chances of managing the switch before their chosen platform dies (they took 12+ years to fuck up the original codebase, glacial foss devcycles as only gnu can exemplify).
1881049;1544934257;mircea_popescu;so, dorks with no connections and no resources somehow nevertheless managed to schelling on this. why the fuck ? what ? cuz it's got a cube-like "icon" and 2010 was all about cube-like icons, gotta kubinetes on unity ?
1881050;1544934358;asciilifeform;apparently yes had connections?
1881051;1544934363;asciilifeform;or how else.
1881052;1544934389;asciilifeform;or do they literally draw'em from hat.
1881053;1544934434;mircea_popescu;hm ?
1881054;1544934473;asciilifeform;in re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-16#1881049
1881055;1544934473;a111;Logged on 2018-12-16 04:24 mircea_popescu: so, dorks with no connections and no resources somehow nevertheless managed to schelling on this. why the fuck ? what ? cuz it's got a cube-like "icon" and 2010 was all about cube-like icons, gotta kubinetes on unity ?
1881056;1544934499;asciilifeform;evidently they're cousins of somebody or else. or else why picked by hitler.
1881057;1544934512;mircea_popescu;the idiots s.mg forked legacy eulora codebase from << this is a group of random morons, hardly together enough to find which side of the wall it's raining on.
1881058;1544934521;asciilifeform;a aaa
1881059;1544934533;asciilifeform;i misread , thought was re 'unity'
1881060;1544934581;mircea_popescu;no what i'm saying is : poor & stupid kids in peripheral village somehow picked same bit of entirely indistinct and utterly useless&dysfunctional flotsam as ibm.
1881061;1544934582;asciilifeform;btw 'unity' seems to be pestilentially common on the various 3dvisor boxen
1881062;1544934591;mircea_popescu;if this is the result of some kind of signalling, i'd like to know what the fuck.
1881063;1544934705;mircea_popescu;i suppose the question might be a little like "why are they all in flip flops, terrible design, utterly inconvenient, how the fuck is every dumbass on fetlife amange to pick em". ie, "pick nothing, it's what they had at the store. ALL they had at the store."
1881064;1544934856;asciilifeform;'crossplatform lib'isms that even half-work (e.g. 'qt') end up wildly popular, on acct of how much sweat they save if condition 'must run on microshit AND crapple' is a given for $product
1881065;1544934915;mircea_popescu;yes, but qt is very fucking different from this unity thing.
1881066;1544934919;asciilifeform;they dun need to not suck to be taken up, only to suck less than the 'native' variant, which is surprisingly easy
1881067;1544934930;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: seems similar enuff in concept
1881068;1544934943;mircea_popescu;not at all. qt a) actually works and b) isn't going anywhere.
1881069;1544934962;mircea_popescu;unity is three dorks and a shoe string. not working, never will work, won't be here in another few years.
1881070;1544934968;asciilifeform;didnt nokia buy it? so ~could~ vanish
1881071;1544934974;asciilifeform;qt that is
1881072;1544934996;mircea_popescu;eh, qt will outlive nokia. like those old hydro plants in europe, went through 20+ "owners" that went bankrupt.
1881073;1544935016;asciilifeform;entirely possible
1881074;1544935029;mircea_popescu;which is my point here. you're comparing a hydro plant built on rhine cca 1880 with a franchised "fries on pizza!" extruded plastic truck
1881075;1544935048;mircea_popescu;that hydro plant is NEVER going anywhere. if there's 5000 people left total, it'll still run.
1881076;1544935082;*;asciilifeform wrote a fairly substantial ( tho unpublished and long ago retired ) proggy with qt, rewritten from wx; but never so much as touched 'unity'
1881077;1544935107;mircea_popescu;my point exactly.
1881078;1544935121;mircea_popescu;(let's take a moment for a libration in thanking the gods satoshi didn't fucking writer bitcoin in unity)
1881079;1544935127;asciilifeform;lol
1881080;1544935138;mircea_popescu;one bullet we dodged.
1881081;1544935143;asciilifeform;recall 'freenet' btw ?
1881082;1544935152;asciilifeform;notbad algo, but released in... java
1881083;1544935157;asciilifeform;so stillborn.
1881084;1544935184;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1881085;1544935218;mircea_popescu;but all this said, i see the "multiplatform" angle.
1881086;1544935230;mircea_popescu;qt is "not graphics friendly" so to speak.
1881087;1544935281;asciilifeform;qt ( of last i saw it ) had a thin shim for opengl but iirc hat was all the '3dism' offered therein
1881088;1544935306;asciilifeform;it's mostly used for ordinary boring guism, rather than game
1881089;1544935324;mircea_popescu;aha
1881090;1544935492;asciilifeform;( phunphakt to tie this into prev thread -- seems as if the bolix 3d engine, 1 of the 1st to be sold as such, still exists as commercial product, owned by some jp firm. naturally cppized and renamed. )
1881091;1544935517;asciilifeform;!#s mirai
1881092;1544935517;a111;1 result for "mirai", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=mirai
1881093;1544935527;asciilifeform;hm
1881094;1544935537;asciilifeform;possibly misspelled..
1881095;1544935550;asciilifeform;grr perhaps phf will recall when wakes up.
1881096;1544935630;asciilifeform;http://www.izware.com/mirai/ << subj.
1881097;1544936355;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bTqWsVqyzE << the most well-known item produced with subj, afaik
1881098;1544938251;mircea_popescu;that looks 2001-terrible
1881099;1544938274;mircea_popescu;"Bulletin Board As you may have discovered, our bulletin board has recently been overrun by garbage posts, contributing in part to the crash of the Mirai forum. "
1881100;1544938295;mircea_popescu;" As a result, we have decided to turn off the bulletin board while we search for a better product (hopefully one that will allow us to migrate our previous content). Just to let everyone know, we have been working quite busily over the past couple months, and will make announcements of any new product availability as soon as it/they become(s) available! "
1881101;1544938296;mircea_popescu;epic.
1881102;1544939604;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-16#1881098 << mid-'80s item
1881103;1544939604;a111;Logged on 2018-12-16 05:30 mircea_popescu: that looks 2001-terrible
1881104;1544939685;asciilifeform;( baked on 36xx-series bolixen, will add, where 4m was serious mem.. )
1881105;1544955642;amberglint;Hello everyone
1881106;1544955642;lobbesbot;amberglint: Sent 2 weeks, 1 day, 6 hours, and 7 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> your last line ties into the real estate thread. Easier to buy things than make things or have them made
1881107;1544955706;amberglint;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-16#1881090 << not cppized, ported to Allegro Common Lisp actually
1881108;1544955706;a111;Logged on 2018-12-16 04:44 asciilifeform: ( phunphakt to tie this into prev thread -- seems as if the bolix 3d engine, 1 of the 1st to be sold as such, still exists as commercial product, owned by some jp firm. naturally cppized and renamed. )
1881109;1544955727;amberglint;I have a copy if you are interested in it
1881110;1544955774;amberglint;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-16#1881097 << the most-well known item is the Lord of the Rings movie
1881111;1544955774;a111;Logged on 2018-12-16 04:59 asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bTqWsVqyzE << the most well-known item produced with subj, afaik
1881112;1544955789;amberglint;Gollum was modeled and animated in Mirai
1881113;1544956007;amberglint;the product was renamed twice, first to N-World, then to Mirai
1881114;1544956086;amberglint;N-World was relatively popular among 90s game developers, used in the development of Super Mario 64 and Final Fantasy VII which are probably the most popular console games of their time
1881115;1544956266;amberglint;it's still mentioned on Allegro CL's site: https://franz.com/success/customer_apps/animation_graphics/nichimen.lhtml
1881116;1544959950;mircea_popescu;cool.
1881117;1544974248;BingoBoingo;The afterlife is a helluva thing
1881118;1544974254;BingoBoingo;a vecwes
1881119;1544974259;BingoBoingo;a veces
1881120;1544977967;asciilifeform;!Q later tell amberglint http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-16#1881109 << if you found the src, might be interesting , otherwise not imho esp. useful
1881121;1544977967;a111;Logged on 2018-12-16 10:22 amberglint: I have a copy if you are interested in it
1881122;1544977967;lobbesbot;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1881123;1544978098;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-16#1881112 << interesting, and esp. from the pov where the bolixiana hoarders quite resemble him...
1881124;1544978098;a111;Logged on 2018-12-16 10:23 amberglint: Gollum was modeled and animated in Mirai
1881125;1544978122;asciilifeform;'...my precious!'(tm)(r)
1881126;1544983060;phf;also https://franz.com/success/customer_apps/animation_graphics/izware.lhtml
1881127;1544984671;feedbot;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2842 << Loper OS -- Finite Field Arithmetic. Chapter 14A: Barretts Modular Reduction. (Part 1 of 2)
1881128;1544985043;*;asciilifeform bbl,meat
1881129;1544986114;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/post-malone/ << Trilema -- Post Malone
1881130;1544987668;mircea_popescu;!Q later tell juliankunkel would you kindly spare us the join/part spamming ? can read the weblogs just fine, no need to be connected with nothing to say.
1881131;1544987668;lobbesbot;mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
1881132;1544987744;mircea_popescu;and more generally, if it's a "oh, #trilema is item #608 on my list of 1850 vaguely maybe interesting items i found on the internet, among which i read to pass the time waiting for the bus or w/e" sorta affair forget about it altogether, there's 0 interest in supporting that kinda imbecility/pluralism/skepticism.
1881133;1544987752;diana_coman;I suppose log etiquette is not obvious
1881134;1544987804;mircea_popescu;i doubt the problem's etiquette. seems to me much deeper issue than that, civillian pantsuit expects anything can be taken in "at his own rate" because his personal golden veal promised him there will never be such a thing as the calling in this world.
1881135;1544987937;mircea_popescu;"nothing can ever be truly interesting" or w/e formulation.
1881136;1544987963;diana_coman;hm, I don't yet see it that way but it'll become clear one way or another quite quickly
1881137;1544988064;*;mircea_popescu defers, i see it from afar.
1881138;1544988097;mircea_popescu;apparently it's called the golden calf, in english. pity, seems a wasted opportunity.
1881139;1544988320;diana_coman;ah, I was scratching head re golden veal, lol; that'd be the steak basically
1881140;1544991039;feedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2018/12/16/a-week-in-tmsr-3-9-december-2018/ << Ossasepia -- A Week in TMSR: 3-9 December 2018
1881141;1544992372;mircea_popescu;http://ossasepia.com/2018/12/16/a-week-in-tmsr-3-9-december-2018/#selection-211.1-211.257  << maybe a bit of an overstatement. eg, turning off the checks will improve it still.
1881142;1544992510;diana_coman;right, no ways to improve the algorithms rather
1881143;1544992512;mircea_popescu;http://ossasepia.com/2018/12/16/a-week-in-tmsr-3-9-december-2018/#selection-263.110-263.118 << salve is the other one, from salus ("health", really though more like "indemnity"). cons rom reg phyrrh ~salutem~.
1881144;1544992557;mircea_popescu;there's two basic salutations, anthropo-objectively speaking : "i'm with you" and "may you be ok".
1881145;1544992600;diana_coman;ftr the whole thing took a bit less than 3 hours including some re-reading of stuff just-because
1881146;1544992620;diana_coman;this is not to say that any week would take the same, as I don't expect it would
1881147;1544992622;mircea_popescu;imo it's pretty good!
1881148;1544992647;mircea_popescu;and nicole is not in the slightest jealous at all.
1881149;1544992731;diana_coman;I thought she was anyway moving on to doing the ocr thing?
1881150;1544992794;diana_coman;anyway, this is mainly because of this repeated "oh, this was around for ages; uhm, no, actually since ~2 months ago"
1881151;1544992809;diana_coman;ah, ah, re time; well, it's the 3 hours after ..how many years
1881152;1544992902;mircea_popescu;:p
1881153;1544992922;mircea_popescu;"five dollars -- knob ; five grand -- the time it took to learn which"
1881154;1544992974;mircea_popescu;but yes, pretty good both as to time taken and as to content produced!
1881155;1544993066;diana_coman;the knob+time is always and forever as it was
1881156;1544993077;diana_coman;and thank you for all the feedback!
1881157;1544993091;diana_coman;corrections added with links in a comment too
1881158;1544993232;mircea_popescu;"The article is short, its embedded references are a den of rabbit holes. " << this last one has, (i counted), 22 links. half of which (exactly) are linked to-reference inside, and most of the reference indices are three digits. one's 4 digits (2781!). the average is 427 (exactly!) and considering that thing counts objects...
1881159;1544993295;mircea_popescu;i'd say my articles are getting better, or rather that it seems to me there was a quality jump sometime this year. but this is to me, from outside i suspect the complexity just exploded (again).
1881160;1544993341;*;diana_coman hasn't yet read the Post Malone thing
1881161;1544993443;diana_coman;but re articles on trilema in general I'd say that they certainly build a LOT on pre-existing stuff so yes, on one hand better and on the other hand more complex
1881162;1544994665;mircea_popescu;and speaking of the db issue, because yes i've been mulling it though, it is ~probably~ an unresolvable conundrum. things like trilema laughing at http://trilema.com/2014/mircea-popescu-is-an-asshole/ slash 2014 douchebags entirely depend on its underlying database (and its usage thereof) being very well flattened into vanishing nothingness. meanwhile items like the search discussed last time, support for transactions (which
1881163;1544994665;mircea_popescu;a blog doesn't fucking need! at all!) and so on all come at a cost. which cost you strictly and unmitigatably can not afford in web-facing production environments, period and full stop.
1881164;1544994731;mircea_popescu;ie, we're straight back to a http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877543 : when it comes to flight, the strategy must include separating the egg laying part out of the airplane. whereas when it comes to fit-in-head or what have you, elegance, self-containedness, the egg laying part must be included in the airplane.
1881165;1544994731;a111;Logged on 2018-12-01 21:21 mircea_popescu: "the notion that airplanes could reproduce through laying eggs is merely a naive extension, in the vein of 'object A has properties a and b ; object B shares property a and therefore it is reasonable ~~~on a first approximation~~~ to expect it exhibit proerty b'. nevertheless, artifacts differ from nature in that one fundamental aspect, that they're inefficient, and therefore to achieve same ends end up heavy, and in the case
1881166;1544994765;mircea_popescu;these are contrary, and the contrast is unresolvable, either you go for tall girls or you go for light girls. there's no tall light girls.
1881167;1545006309;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in trilema throwbacks thursday, http://trilema.com/2015/a-lunatic-with-a-bloodied-axe-could-be-ringing-at-your-door/
1881168;1545006313;mircea_popescu;ANOTHER three years.
1881169;1545012900;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in wtf : iptables -nL works as expected ; iptables -Ln does not ; iptables -L -n does not either. dat "unix philosophy".
1881170;1545013004;mircea_popescu;remembering arbitrary random associations is not enough, gotta now remember their order, also. what -r is recursive and -v is version, grep wants -v to be invert match and curl wants -r to be "range", whatever the fuck yahoos come up with you're stuck learning.
1881171;1545016070;feedbot;http://danielpbarron.com/2018/i-guess-well-know-for-sure-at-the-judgment/ << Daniel P. Barron -- I guess we'll know for sure at the judgment.
1881172;1545016859;nicoleci;diana_coman, your summary does look great! not as much jealous as amazed :)
1881173;1545019186;hanbot;BingoBoingo, for yer consideration: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/qfiDP/?raw=true
1881174;1545020688;BingoBoingo;tyvm hanbot
1881175;1545020754;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/12/euloras-new-all-time-high-jackpot-trebles-hits-3-5-btc/ << Qntra -- Eulora's New All-Time High Jackpot Trebles, Hits 3.5 BTC
1881176;1545021021;mircea_popescu;yeah, and it was mostly bod too, like 6k units high q.
1881177;1545021336;BingoBoingo;Nice
1881178;1545021486;asciilifeform;diana_coman: http://ossasepia.com/2018/12/16/a-week-in-tmsr-3-9-december-2018/comment-page-1/#comment-4601
1881179;1545021502;asciilifeform;mightily nifty summary piece btw, diana_coman
1881180;1545021510;asciilifeform;my absolute fave to date in this genre
1881181;1545021574;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-16#1881163 << fwiw in the end i tuned phuctor so has transactions + indices + fast + sliced bread
1881182;1545021574;a111;Logged on 2018-12-16 21:11 mircea_popescu: a blog doesn't fucking need! at all!) and so on all come at a cost. which cost you strictly and unmitigatably can not afford in web-facing production environments, period and full stop.
1881183;1545021588;asciilifeform;( all on postgres tho, and prolly not straight-portable to others, e.g. mysql )
1881184;1545022082;mircea_popescu;prolly should publish this then
1881185;1545022154;*;mircea_popescu certainly not against having magic postgres ver+config tested out for mp-wp. never stumbled on the magic combo, but also never looked too hard. the hooks are in though, can be switched ~effortlessly.
1881186;1545022325;asciilifeform;is anybody other than asciilifeform using postgres currently ?
1881187;1545022359;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: ben_vulpes is
1881188;1545022370;asciilifeform;the only item i have that is intensely pgistic is indices
1881189;1545022379;mircea_popescu;trinque afaik, the original champion.
1881190;1545022394;asciilifeform;i'ma put on the conveyor, a piece re how to index ( supposing trinque dun get to it 1st )
1881191;1545022451;asciilifeform;i dun have much in the way of seriously deep departure from default global config ( the defaults are surprisingly sane in pg -- e.g., no 'eat infinite ram' default like apparently exists in mysql )
1881192;1545022508;asciilifeform;and, notably, ultra-stable, i planted the thing on pg in '16 and has ran at all times it had a box to run on, 100% duty cycle, no crashes
1881193;1545022544;asciilifeform;inserting a key ( of typical mass, coupla sub-FP's, etc) takes ~100msec.
1881194;1545022576;asciilifeform;search of whole orchestra takes 200-500ms
1881195;1545022583;asciilifeform;( can try with 'curl' yerself )
1881196;1545023571;mircea_popescu;did you ever get "ddosed" hence ?
1881197;1545024747;asciilifeform;plenty
1881198;1545024814;asciilifeform;regularly. and just about all day, erry day, mass bruteforce idjits. formerly i 'policed' these, iptables, ban lists, but since indices nolonger bother
1881199;1545024825;asciilifeform;they dun affect performance visibly.
1881200;1545025059;mircea_popescu;this is good news.
1881201;1545025300;mircea_popescu;" trust me honey, i’m intelligent. intelligent to know that it takes more than intellect to read your expansive subject line. it takes desire. desire that you did nothing to ignight & are dampening even more"
1881202;1545025314;mircea_popescu;this seems a good question. what did you do to i gnight tonight ?
1881203;1545031850;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-17#1881172 -> thank you!
1881204;1545031850;a111;Logged on 2018-12-17 03:20 nicoleci: diana_coman, your summary does look great! not as much jealous as amazed :)
1881205;1545031869;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-17#1881178 -> answered; and thank you!
1881206;1545031869;a111;Logged on 2018-12-17 04:38 asciilifeform: diana_coman: http://ossasepia.com/2018/12/16/a-week-in-tmsr-3-9-december-2018/comment-page-1/#comment-4601
1881207;1545033660;feedbot;http://bimbo.club/?p=107 << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of June, July, and August, 1715 - Part V.
1881208;1545039398;juliankunkel;sorry. Was not aware that spams here.
1881209;1545039398;lobbesbot;juliankunkel: Sent 14 hours and 22 minutes ago: <mircea_popescu> would you kindly spare us the join/part spamming ? can read the weblogs just fine, no need to be connected with nothing to say.
1881210;1545053829;feedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2018/12/17/smg-comms-chapter-13-sender-and-receiver/ << Ossasepia -- SMG Comms Chapter 13: Sender and Receiver
1881211;1545057432;feedbot;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2857 << Loper OS -- Uncrating of Symbolics MacIvory Machine
1881212;1545060824;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-17#1881207 << this is pretty neat.
1881213;1545060824;a111;Logged on 2018-12-17 08:01 feedbot: http://bimbo.club/?p=107 << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of June, July, and August, 1715 - Part V.
1881214;1545060951;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in heathendom, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/g0e36/?raw=true
1881215;1545061020;*;asciilifeform never heard of the subj d00d of ^ , but pictures that he was typical specimen of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-19#1525131
1881216;1545061020;a111;Logged on 2016-08-19 13:51 asciilifeform: https://pad.riseup.net/p/87Mazw3Jsdfe_pm/timeslider#11 << multistory lul tower. for instance, i had no idea what is 'riseup' until its pgp keys began to pop.
1881217;1545061076;asciilifeform;'rezistenta prin cultura'(tm)(r)
1881218;1545063167;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so there you go, ima have her do the entire book, can always read it in human hand now.
1881219;1545063171;mircea_popescu;luxuries of the republic.
1881220;1545063287;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform afaik it was bush-era clintonite astroturf, sorta pre-ows crapola.
1881221;1545063478;BingoBoingo;Roughly the same vintage as DailyKos and Howard Dean
1881222;1545063507;mircea_popescu;about 1/10 the capital so to speak.
1881223;1545063678;mircea_popescu;"Early credit also goes to Hugh Daniel (since passed) who administered some of the initial Cypherpunks mailing list infrastructure and IMHO should be considered the fourth Cypherpunks co-founder. For a good and reasonably accurate explanation of the early Cypherpunks days, see the article by Steven Levy in the February 1993 issue of Wired Magazine." << dude, remember back when wired was readable, THIRTY YEARS AGO ?
1881224;1545063840;mircea_popescu;"It's the FBIs, NSAs, and Equifaxes of the world versus a swelling movement of Cypherpunks, civil libertarians, and millionaire hackers. At stake: Whether privacy will exist in the 21st century."
1881225;1545063842;mircea_popescu;top fucking keks.
1881226;1545063848;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: near as i can tell, it was a mixture of provocateur shilling and genuinely earnest usefulidjits -- schneier, for instance, was at the time an apparently-earnest 'activist', as was djb (who sued usg at considerable personal expense, and even won in some sense iirc )
1881227;1545063878;mircea_popescu;story of last year's grass : some died, some turned, some went old-stupid-crazy.
1881228;1545063911;mircea_popescu;"A mattress is nestled in the rafters. In a hallway behind the reception desk is a kitchen laden with snack food and soft drinks." << check it out, early google office.
1881229;1545063981;mircea_popescu;it's always funny (for he who, being "old af" isn't born yesterday) just how 100% the "corporate success" bla bla is copied off "oh, those marginal guys whom http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-04#1809349 "
1881230;1545063981;a111;Logged on 2018-05-04 17:15 zx2c4: mircea_popescu: oh. so. "the world doesnt care about the cool hackers on the internet, but only the assholes with prestigious positions." this has been a widely known complaint for a long time
1881231;1545064025;mircea_popescu;"Their mutual interest is the arcane field of cryptography—the study of secret codes and cyphers. The very fact that this group exists, however, is indication that the field is about to shift into overdrive. " << yeah, such overdrive...
1881232;1545064049;mircea_popescu;sadly, the field actually had to wait for us. but anyway, nice try america, you'll be remembered by the five or so people born there. of which i hear one just died.
1881233;1545064090;mircea_popescu;" There is an ad hoc demonstration of a new product, an AT&T "secure" phone, supposedly the first conversation-scrambler that's as simple to use as a standard-issue phone." << the kanzure mickey mouse club still doing this btw.
1881234;1545064620;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in today's fetlife, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Ug2hz/?raw=true : the first reported ~marginal~ failure. (not the first encountered ; but i figure maybe someone has some use for almost-smart-enough female, so why not publicize.)
1881235;1545064909;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: for added lulz, given http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-07#1878844 , one actually ~could~, in principle, bake 'rsa pnoje' ( in the sense that, e.g., 2048 * (1/.296) ~= 7kbit/s , moar than enuff for voice )
1881236;1545064909;a111;Logged on 2018-12-07 01:40 asciilifeform: meanwhile in ch.14 sneak peeks, modex(2048bit) : 0.296s , 4096bit : 1.786s , 8192bit : 10.766s .
1881237;1545064929;asciilifeform;( for ~what~ one might want this, is separate q , who the fuq needs voice )
1881238;1545064967;mircea_popescu;these fucktards, spinning around in the desert for 30 years, then aiming to enact moses a fucking statue for his trouble.
1881239;1545065014;asciilifeform;if only merely 'spun in desert'. these are the folx who gave us 'i lost mah keyz' zimmarman, who then pupated into 'rng, what rng' koch, et al
1881240;1545065117;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/12/neocons-fading-official-magazine-of-w-administration-dead/ << Qntra -- NeoCons Fading: Official Magazine of "W" Administration Dead
1881241;1545065136;BingoBoingo;98F... Seems like the window on that one closed a while ago
1881242;1545065161;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo she changed her age since yest, is 19yo.
1881243;1545065200;BingoBoingo;Or a 40 year old man in panties with fake pics
1881244;1545065231;asciilifeform;lol how quickly some folx age!1111
1881245;1545065237;mircea_popescu;this is universally the boon of the internet.
1881246;1545065261;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's fashionable among a certain set of opinionated female morons, to be 90s and from antarctica.
1881247;1545065306;asciilifeform;i dunno that i've ever thrown anything but rng into 'your age' 'location' etc. crapola survey
1881248;1545065318;mircea_popescu;kinda how 16yo schoolgirls coming from overcomfortable family circumstances (overambitious, overindulgent & overattentive father, overtolerant mother, overflowing dinner table, overisolated [no, no reason for girls to get own room wtf is this])
1881249;1545065325;mircea_popescu;end up doing with themselves.
1881250;1545065377;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the whole gambit of the "safe space" internet is that women will generally put their pics in on the strength of some superficial assurance of friendly environment.
1881251;1545065399;mircea_popescu;stupid, yes, but nobody said sexuate reproduction comes at 0 cost. seduction has to occur ~somehow~, the ship has a hole for a purpose.
1881252;1545065420;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i heard before this phrase. what does it mean? 'this here is safe, but that there is where crocodile will emerge from your terminal and bite' ??
1881253;1545065445;mircea_popescu;"nobody will profer negative judgements on you without your permission"
1881254;1545065449;mircea_popescu;is what it means.
1881255;1545065472;asciilifeform;how dumb does critter have to be, to buy this ?
1881256;1545065483;mircea_popescu;it has not to be dumb at all. it has to be ~FEMALE~.
1881257;1545065503;mircea_popescu;recall ye olde http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-15#1880981 ?
1881258;1545065503;a111;Logged on 2018-12-15 18:13 asciilifeform: sorta how i've met runners, even competition-grade ones, but they did not run all day, erry day, to kitchen, to toilet, etc
1881259;1545065511;asciilifeform;aha
1881260;1545065527;mircea_popescu;well so then. she can be as smart as you wish, a cunt she's still got, and that hole in the body comes with a hole in the mind.
1881261;1545065544;*;asciilifeform sometimes to pet, 'pause feeming for a moment and think through $item' 'ok..'
1881262;1545065550;mircea_popescu;because if it didn't, you understand, we'd have the problems of waterbugs
1881263;1545065562;asciilifeform;seems like we do have problem of waterbug
1881264;1545065579;mircea_popescu;did i recount the lulzy story of female waterbugs having developed a cunt shield, and so male waterbugs holdsing them on water close to frogs and jumping ?
1881265;1545065583;asciilifeform;(at least some of the time)
1881266;1545065587;asciilifeform;yes
1881267;1545065589;asciilifeform;'frog march'
1881268;1545065589;mircea_popescu;right.
1881269;1545065593;asciilifeform;well-known item
1881270;1545065618;mircea_popescu;human females have no cunt shield.
1881271;1545065641;mircea_popescu;attempts to fashion one, (out of the powers of imagination, of course), is what ultimately distinguish the west and the east franks.
1881272;1545065673;asciilifeform;it always 'wants' to grow a shield, in same way as bridge 'wants to fall'
1881273;1545065740;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo : "morningRebel 18F Switch Pest, Hungary orientation: Pansexual active: Curious And Want To Try is looking for: A mentor/teacherFriendshipA MasterA Mistress" original blurb bot recorded.
1881274;1545065760;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in my experience, never wants, sometimes grudgingly has to because morons.
1881275;1545065776;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Well, rotating bridge in Carmelo got beat up over the weekend by a roaving gang of feral boats.
1881276;1545065930;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you ever saw http://trilema.com/2017/1950s-cretinetti-i-soliti-ignoti-il-vedovo/#selection-67.0-67.9 ?
1881277;1545065947;mircea_popescu;superb film, the wife's an archetype. "me sono cascata anche io...", golden words.
1881278;1545065960;asciilifeform;haven't seen; will put on list
1881279;1545065978;mircea_popescu;put it on top, it's one of the few masterpieces of that aspiring art.
1881280;1545065987;asciilifeform;neato.
1881281;1545066010;mircea_popescu;and let me underscore, the original dialogues are pure poetry, watching it dubbed or trusting subtitles is like reading bowdler's shakespeare.
1881282;1545066021;mircea_popescu;fortunately they speak uncharacteristically roman (ie, clean) italian for the period.
1881283;1545066042;asciilifeform;unrelatedly, mircea_popescu do ya think you can muster 30-40min this wk to eat the 14a maffs ? i'd like to know asap if there's typo or other hole.
1881284;1545066061;mircea_popescu;christmas week, why not :)
1881285;1545066064;asciilifeform;ty
1881286;1545066097;asciilifeform;btw i ended up using mircea_popescu's formatting pill.
1881287;1545066371;mircea_popescu;cool.
1881288;1545068214;asciilifeform;wb Mocky
1881289;1545068247;Mocky;thx asciilifeform
1881290;1545068604;mircea_popescu;how's mordor
1881291;1545069160;Mocky;it smarts
1881292;1545069874;Mocky;in other 1024 chickens, http://archive.is/d8ypc#selection-445.0-577.9 "High-performing distributed engineering teams with African talent"
1881293;1545070224;asciilifeform;sounds like serious dry spell in heathendom, or wat
1881294;1545070470;Mocky;subj company apparently has quite healthy growth rate. my guess is they are trying to undercut the bottom tier 'coder' segment
1881295;1545070519;Mocky;either that or "catalyzing an interconnected global tech ecosystem" lol
1881296;1545071358;asciilifeform;!Q later tell phf didja ever try asking dks for PAL src's ?
1881297;1545071358;lobbesbot;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1881298;1545072296;*;asciilifeform wrote'im again today, politely asked, prolly dunhurt (no answ of yet tho)
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1881302;1545072593;BingoBoingo;!!v 8D7FB58467BA11CA781E1F96E3C78A61666FDA90C0B92B6F64D80800808FF9E3
1881303;1545072601;deedbot;Invoiced cruciform 0.0233 << Shared hosting 1 year + domain registration
1881304;1545072643;BingoBoingo;cruciform: Use !!received-invoices to see the invoice and then !!pay-invoice sender-nick invoice-number to settle the invoice
1881305;1545072661;BingoBoingo;And please get your SSH public key to me
1881306;1545072719;cruciform;BingoBoingo, will do, many thanks!
1881307;1545072748;BingoBoingo;Let me know if I can be of any assistance
1881308;1545073070;cruciform;BingoBoingo, deedbot has returned a hexstring in response to !!pay-invoice command?
1881309;1545073117;BingoBoingo;Enter where deedbot can see it, !!v longstring
1881310;1545073135;BingoBoingo;And that will get deedbot to execute the command.
1881311;1545073158;BingoBoingo;Everything with deedbot is challenge response, gotta keep proving your are you and you have your privates
1881312;1545073193;cruciform;gotcha, makes sense
1881313;1545073305;cruciform;"cruciform paid cruciform invoice 1"?
1881314;1545073391;BingoBoingo;Ah, sender-nick in this context refers to the person issuing the invoice rather than invoking the !!pay-invoice command. It's a brevity-vs-ambiguity issue with the documentation
1881315;1545073785;cruciform;BingoBoingo, ie. !!pay-invoice BingoBoingo 1? I'm not getting any response after !!v longstring resulting from that
1881316;1545074148;BingoBoingo;What does your output from !!received-invoices look like?
1881317;1545074311;cruciform;shows Invoice #1, from you, for 0.0233BTC
1881318;1545074396;trinque;cruciform: have you ever made a deposit with the bot?
1881319;1545074434;cruciform;trinque, no
1881320;1545074515;trinque;you will not be able to pay an invoice without first having done so.
1881321;1545074637;cruciform;aha, thanks - is there a deedbot manual listing the commands to do so?
1881322;1545074678;BingoBoingo;cruciform: http://deedbot.org/help.html here it is
1881323;1545074731;BingoBoingo;And when you deposit, make sure to ping trinque so he checks the printers in his red room
1881324;1545074994;cruciform;trinque, deposited
1881325;1545075143;asciilifeform;in other lulz, there is apparently some published work on reversing a PAL via timing side-channel . ( the rub: it's in cn... )
1881326;1545075872;BingoBoingo;cruciform: I'll have your wordpress login in ~24-36 hours
1881327;1545082344;feedbot;http://bingology.net/2018/12/17/the-expocannabis-an-executive-report/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- The Expocannabis An Executive Report
1881328;1545089905;mircea_popescu;in other dubious news, i see some old versions of prb stuck on block 551110
1881329;1545090356;BingoBoingo;Interesting
1881330;1545097772;feedbot;http://danielpbarron.com/2018/i-didnt-warn-you-for-the-scripture/ << Daniel P. Barron -- I didn't warn you for the scripture.
1881331;1545110495;trinque;yet another post of reddit quotes from danielpbarron. this is sad.
1881332;1545110691;asciilifeform;trinque: sad indeed. i've been reading these, and looking for some trace of any relation whatsoever to tmsr-anyffin, and finding none
1881333;1545110764;danielpbarron;if it's gonna get me a bunch of negative ratings i'd rather it get removed from the feed bot. i'd like to keep using deedbot and eulora
1881334;1545110764;asciilifeform;d00d is well along in the process of moving into own head.
1881335;1545110841;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: relax, no neg ratings yet. but if folx end up snoring for long enuff, i expect will tune out
1881336;1545118147;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron do you have a bunch of readers interested in the quotes you figure, or what's the thinking ?
1881337;1545118774;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in "tumblr goes full retard", https://i.ibb.co/HrXHSKJ/tumblr.jpg
1881338;1545118827;mircea_popescu;"ai", rite. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1708869
1881339;1545118827;a111;Logged on 2017-09-01 06:57 mircea_popescu: this actually happens, you flip the pixels it "learned" and it sees the fridge and says cat.
1881340;1545119024;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo " pupling" lol\
1881341;1545119158;mircea_popescu;this thing looks exactrly like argentina "comicon". bunch of braindead orcs, wtf.
1881342;1545119673;diana_coman;<asciilifeform> danielpbarron: relax, no neg ratings yet. but if folx end up snoring for long enuff, i expect will tune out -> fwiw I already tuned out
1881343;1545132895;phf;asciilifeform: you can leave messages for me in the log by just mentioning my name, i always see later's before i have a chance to speak
1881344;1545132895;lobbesbot;phf: Sent 17 hours and 5 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> didja ever try asking dks for PAL src's ?
1881345;1545133275;phf;asciilifeform: i'm pretty sure he doesn't have PAL sources in digital form, and if he does, i think it's purely accidental i.e. there are source files on some tape or some drive, but i don't think he'll be able to find them from memory
1881346;1545134013;phf;there are 3600 era PAL sources in a form of scans, there might be some overlap between those and ivory. i doubt that's the case, but it's worth investigating
1881347;1545134219;phf;asciilifeform: i saw you posted a highres photo of macivory you found on the internet, but could you perhaps post a couple of nice photos of your current board, where one can see labels on chips and whatever text on the surface
1881348;1545134753;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881331 << i think danielpbarron is pushing transcendental imperative; though, and as per some of the long ago threads on subject of traditional societies, i will guess it is mostly a pose on his part. his imperative doesn't align with that of all the rest of the republic members, so it is hard to relate to on substance, but in form i find it entertaining: what happens if you confront modern christian
1881349;1545134753;a111;Logged on 2018-12-18 05:21 trinque: yet another post of reddit quotes from danielpbarron. this is sad.
1881350;1545134753;phf;with an unwavering "because god said so right here" position.
1881351;1545134808;phf;it's certainly a dodgy, bottom of the barrel choice of venue though..
1881352;1545138554;asciilifeform;phf: apologies for slow, but i havent, believe or not, popped the thing yet
1881353;1545138579;asciilifeform;gotta clear the antistatic vivisectiom table.
1881354;1545138638;asciilifeform;'sapper errs 1ce', could take another 10y to get a 2nd 'ivory' if i kill this one.
1881355;1545138706;asciilifeform;phf: and yes i'ma post 25mpixel shots of top, bottlm, ditto for daughterboard, and full chip id with links to datashits
1881356;1545138723;asciilifeform;and the xray, wheni get it.
1881357;1545138885;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881345 << already replied that he got'em on paper, but in treasure chest on wrong coast ( he moved to west. ) i answered with offer to pay his flight to get'em plus what to make it worth his while. no answ to this just yet.
1881358;1545138885;a111;Logged on 2018-12-18 11:41 phf: asciilifeform: i'm pretty sure he doesn't have PAL sources in digital form, and if he does, i think it's purely accidental i.e. there are source files on some tape or some drive, but i don't think he'll be able to find them from memory
1881359;1545139586;phf;asciilifeform: well, the papers have 3600 era pals
1881360;1545139690;phf;hence my "how much is overlap" question
1881361;1545139752;asciilifeform;phf: he answrd specifically re the 'macivory'. but i havent seen inside his treasurechest, so cannot say if he is mistaken and lost it
1881362;1545139841;asciilifeform;phf: relatedly, uncrated that 'scsi2sd' thing last night, will photo also when i get it connected
1881363;1545139916;asciilifeform;( apparently it isn't merely plug an' fughet, gotta config it to pretend to be crapple disk, and then will need coupla bolix partitions also.. )
1881364;1545139969;asciilifeform;i'm sadly in a pile of saecular shit atm, and on top of that behind sched in ffa. so will be slow.
1881365;1545144514;mircea_popescu;aaand in this morn's fetlife lulz, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/W4OXR/?raw=true << "mainstream" girly runs into mainstream white culture.
1881366;1545144552;asciilifeform;guten morgen mircea_popescu !
1881367;1545144557;mircea_popescu;heya!
1881368;1545144649;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881342 << this, for the record, is exactly how things go. one can build himself a reputation as a director, on the strength (on the ~strength~!!!) of shit like pulp fiction, or reservoir dogs, or w/e the hell. but if the one then continues in the vein of bullshit, directing animation and whatnever kill bill nonsense, uma thurman's deformed toes, that someone will ~destroy~ his reputation, an
1881369;1545144649;a111;Logged on 2018-12-18 07:54 diana_coman: <asciilifeform> danielpbarron: relax, no neg ratings yet. but if folx end up snoring for long enuff, i expect will tune out -> fwiw I already tuned out
1881370;1545144649;mircea_popescu;d in the process his life and himself. because no, as tempting as the theory is, humans can't generally manage to destroy their reputations but survive in body or mind.
1881371;1545144717;mircea_popescu;the exact same thing applies universally and throiughout. the world works a certain way, and it will continue to do so. if you build a blog on the strength of being interesting, you will destroy it with crap ; and if you build a reputation on being sane, you will destroy it with insanity. and so on. at no point is your "conviction" at issue (nor is it interesting, nor important). what's at issue is ~reality~, and reality does
1881372;1545144717;mircea_popescu;n't give a damn about how you feel.
1881373;1545144729;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877614 makes me suspect he's already eltsining
1881374;1545144729;a111;Logged on 2018-12-01 22:13 danielpbarron: that wouldn't be the worst thing
1881375;1545144788;asciilifeform;iirc mircea_popescu had a piece re macroscale version of cellular apoptosis.
1881376;1545144815;mircea_popescu;and, while at it : the aferations of "metaphysics", specifically regarding the matter in terms of "oh, mp is so lost in the world he can't see the things beyond the world" is so much infantile aferant bullshit. be it "robo-hitlers" or "gods" or whatever other nonsense, the important property of things "beyond" the world and "above" the world and "after" the world and "ultimate" and so on is that they are not.
1881377;1545144888;mircea_popescu;there's nothing BEYOND the world. the things claimed to be so are always and without exception ~inferior~ not superior in the tree of things. one's fantasies of self-realisation, be they wet dreams about little miss rottencrotch two chairs down in chem class or "the rapture", are just so much teenage wank. it dun matter if the teenager's name is moses or daniel, their wank is not "above the world". it's part of the world, and
1881378;1545144888;mircea_popescu; a minor and neglectable part at that.
1881379;1545144915;mircea_popescu;obviously the (male) teenager's temptation is to imagine his stupid shit is "above". but this is his problem, not his "intuition" or "wisdom" or w/e the fuck.
1881380;1545145076;mircea_popescu;god is ~just another trope~. like "the voyage", like "the teenage witch", like "vampires" or "magic horses" or "the island of buyan", god is just another trope. tropes are common places of fiction. fiction is a product of imagination. imagination is mildly-restrained psychogenic noise, which is a class of noise, like wetware thought or like fg output. which are phenomena, which is one half of the world (the other half being o
1881381;1545145076;mircea_popescu;bjects).
1881382;1545145114;mircea_popescu;that's 1 trope, 2 fiction, 3 imagination, 4 noise, 5 phenomena. FIVE nodes down from the top node of all things, "the world".
1881383;1545145225;asciilifeform;the logical result of trying to physically move into a fictional palace is terry davis's train ride.
1881384;1545145245;mircea_popescu;and it so happens that god wank scores right there with "commercial communication" aka spam (another trope of fiction) on the scale of republican appreciation of fiction.
1881385;1545145249;mircea_popescu;at least write fucking poems.
1881386;1545145305;mircea_popescu;(and yes, /me also tuned out just about when the quotes started. for one thing because i couldn't give less of a shit about the english version of jewish texts, i can read the originals and i can't stand anglotardation)
1881387;1545145324;asciilifeform;newton somehow pulled off the sitting on two chairs biz, but most folx aint newton
1881388;1545145342;mircea_popescu;and let it be said, translating the torah ~in english~ was a fucking stupid idea. english is not a language that can ~carry~ such things.
1881389;1545145364;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you should see the jp bible some time.
1881390;1545145416;mircea_popescu;all the pretense of imperial brits aside, trying to build themselves an alt-english out of hammer-whacked chunks of latin and greek. because guess what, nobody today speaks 1770-level cultivated english. and certainly nobody among the self-help ikea-brand of "preachers" in the intellectually arid center of our colonies in the new world.
1881391;1545145430;asciilifeform;( the jesuits baked. and it's a riot. when jp was pried open in 19th c, the euros found some 'christians', promptly barfed -- the cleanup job shogunate did wasn't quite 100%.)
1881392;1545145433;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, i have, it's the kek of all time.
1881393;1545145451;mircea_popescu;sorta like that great cartoon you found, with "ww2"
1881394;1545145458;asciilifeform;aaha
1881395;1545145471;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-30#1876445 << subj
1881396;1545145471;a111;Logged on 2018-11-30 17:42 asciilifeform: was transparently http://pbfcomics.com/comics/now-showing/
1881397;1545145538;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform moreover it makes a fucking difference WHO speaks english. which is a readily lost point. there's an episode in seinfeld (when george converts to "latvian" orthodoxy) including a soundbyte from old jewish woman with strong yidish accent, "when you die, you die. you don't go anywhere."
1881398;1545145559;mircea_popescu;THAT half liner summarizes ~correctly~ the whole fucking nine paragraph thing i ended up stuck putting in above.
1881399;1545145585;mircea_popescu;and it ~is~ in english. but it is not the english of Jamie McMoron, slightly overweight ex-mechanic turned "pastor" in Michigan.
1881400;1545145628;mircea_popescu;because that's the fucking problem with english, it can not ~carry~. human languages have this property, that they retain in their own thick fibers, particles of the wisdom of speakers, to bestow them on the dumb neat round heads of repeaters.
1881401;1545145641;mircea_popescu;english is ~thin~. it retain nothing. moron can say same words and gain ~nothing~ thereby.
1881402;1545145646;asciilifeform;... and particles of stupid
1881403;1545145663;mircea_popescu;certainly. which is why selection is important and meaningful. in latin. not so in english.
1881404;1545145674;mircea_popescu;which is why i say, makes 0 fucking sense to have translated the torah.
1881405;1545145676;asciilifeform;some benighted folx think this only applies to prog langs -- mno.
1881406;1545145703;mircea_popescu;this goes directly to my problem with chinese -- english is pretty much the closest thing to chinese known to white man.
1881407;1545145729;asciilifeform;the twist is that actual chinese may or may not have this property.
1881408;1545145735;*;asciilifeform cannot say yet
1881409;1545145788;asciilifeform;as i currently understand, the cn folx have own, and quite diff, set of cognitive bugs, quite unlike the anglos
1881410;1545145788;mircea_popescu;consider the illustrative example of how the germans inhabiting north america ended up thinking they're "english" : the english were losing badly their war with the dutch, at the time the republic. so they decided -- the elite, that is -- to make the dutch an offer they couldn't refuse : behead the (catholic) king, import william, prince of orange-nassau as the new english king. thereby england gets a ruling class and the dut
1881411;1545145788;mircea_popescu;ch get slaves to make ~and especially man~ ships cheaply.
1881412;1545145807;mircea_popescu;the dutch bought, moved over, started "new england". gave the same "english" crown their new world possessions.
1881413;1545145825;mircea_popescu;when a decade later the american germans revolted against europe they called it "england" for no fucking reason whatsoever.
1881414;1545145827;mircea_popescu;and so on.
1881415;1545145828;mircea_popescu;THIN.
1881416;1545145843;asciilifeform;https://www.gutenberg.org/files/28554/28554-h/28554-h.htm << for folx who like lesson in fiction form.
1881417;1545145928;mircea_popescu;and ~now~they go about like fucking morons, re-doing the 16th century german peasant movements.
1881418;1545145939;mircea_popescu;because totally, history never happened, started over because "new" world.
1881419;1545145967;mircea_popescu;to write about divinity interestingly, one needs to be aware of a ~shitload~ more stuff than is available at oklahoma public library, is the thing.
1881420;1545146093;mircea_popescu;how the fuck am i going to be interested by a three-centuries-later, three-hundred-books-unread rehash of a ~minor~ ~peasant~ movement ?! what next, we're going to sit around wondering in fascination at pete_d's accomplishments ? hory shit, some guy got married and carefully didn't piss off the in-laws his whole life. NEVER HEAR THAT STORY BEFORE PLOX TELL ME MORE!
1881421;1545146167;mircea_popescu;it's like watching reality tv by & for retards, "oh, look, it's another morning, will john the retard manage to tie his shoes his time ? we will be back after a word from our sponsor, Watch Paint Dry While Flies Fuck (tm)"
1881422;1545146222;mircea_popescu;https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1785123/ << i truly recommend any who hasn't seen this thing try for fifteen minutes. it's worth it just for the sheer wtf.
1881423;1545146245;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you oughta see the 'theology' pushed by some of the moar 'advanced' ameri-church folx. where jizzus... spoke english
1881424;1545146268;mircea_popescu;no, i'm aware.
1881425;1545146289;mircea_popescu;you should look at their paratheological disputes sometime.
1881426;1545146359;mircea_popescu;18th century "rationalist" paintings were very keen on the cadaver synod, but this is the pongo papacy.
1881427;1545146400;asciilifeform;also observe how they dun do crusades, jihads, on washington, instead they tithe to buy mcmansion for self-proclaimed mcmoron popes in nebraska etc
1881428;1545146440;asciilifeform;the latter laugh all the way to the bank. (didja ever see a 'mega-church' when toured usa ?)
1881429;1545146448;mircea_popescu;meh, apparently "pongo" google-denotes a dalmatian. it's the species name of a large, loud subhuman hominid.
1881430;1545146467;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah, we were discussing one here at some point also.
1881431;1545146493;asciilifeform;a++ effective, time-tested chumpatron in 'new world'
1881432;1545146529;asciilifeform;they set'em going as soon as sailed and went out of range of euro lymphocytes
1881433;1545146547;mircea_popescu;anyway, it's again a weakass copy of hasidism. they also had dynasties, though there's a lot of difference between tzvi hirsch and  jimmy swaggart
1881434;1545146573;asciilifeform;the hasids at least weren't wanking in eng
1881435;1545146745;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i find fascinating the parallel b/w ameri-christianity and items like http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-16#1881006
1881436;1545146745;a111;Logged on 2018-12-16 00:25 a111: Logged on 2017-08-03 03:38 asciilifeform: https://symbolics.lisp.engineer/goals << in other lulz.
1881437;1545146769;mircea_popescu;there's certainly something there.
1881438;1545146786;asciilifeform;!#s oxcart
1881439;1545146786;a111;16 results for "oxcart", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=oxcart
1881440;1545146816;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-17#1835417 , orig via a mircea_popescu piece
1881441;1545146816;a111;Logged on 2018-07-17 02:42 asciilifeform: 'they cloink a coupla with the sledgehammer so as to break down the find into shards the size they can fit in a pocket, after which they stick it on their oxcart'
1881442;1545146868;mircea_popescu;(and the fact that nobody asked "which, the pole or the prussian" kinda is exactly what i'm talking about. what the fuck, we're going to discuss things we don't know about, meh)
1881443;1545146973;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: recall yer http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1704268 observation ? imho the christians divided by 0 when they nixed their ( whatever its problems at the time ) structure of authority.
1881444;1545146973;a111;Logged on 2017-08-28 23:10 mircea_popescu: kanzure " Obviously there is no possiblity of meaning outside of a structure of authority, and the authority can not be predicated on the meaning."
1881445;1545146995;mircea_popescu;no cuz christ bla bla.
1881446;1545147042;asciilifeform;hey, christ spoke to terry davis and told him how to achieve nirvana. a+++.
1881447;1545147060;mircea_popescu;i need an action for the hand gesture.
1881448;1545147097;*;asciilifeform brb,teatime
1881449;1545147129;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> this thing looks exactrly like argentina "comicon". bunch of braindead orcs, wtf. << Just about. Would be improved ~500% simply by moving it to the Kibon Pavilion or any number of other venuesfor beach proximity
1881450;1545147271;BingoBoingo;Or at least catching up to small town Illinois in their festival food game
1881451;1545148445;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so far i entirely agree you can't use montgomery for your purpose.
1881452;1545149339;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i was going to post on http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2822 ; but i'm not about to do gymnastics for it. note that i don't ask you to genuflect before commenting on trilema!
1881453;1545149345;mircea_popescu;so here it is instead :
1881454;1545149358;mircea_popescu;>                -- Find the position of eldest nonzero bit, if any exist
1881455;1545149359;mircea_popescu;Fwiw, this is incorrect. 0 ~is~ the postion of the eldest 1 if "none exist", and the comment correctly reads "Find the position of eldest nonzero bit."
1881456;1545149359;mircea_popescu;> Index := W_Mux(Index + 1, Index, W_ZeroP(W));
1881457;1545149359;mircea_popescu;Wouldn't it be (very marginally) cheaper to simply do what you did before, ie Index := W_Mux(b, Index, W_ZeroP(W)); ?
1881458;1545149389;mircea_popescu;(i was also going to use the reference thing, but it dun fucking work, i end up with http://www.loper-os.org/#selection-5115.22-5115.37 useless junk
1881459;1545150671;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it gotta crank Index forward. but nao that i think about it, could be equiv. : Index := Index + W_ZeroP(W) .
1881460;1545151089;mircea_popescu;i thought you were muxing because didn't like the additions for some reason
1881461;1545151098;mircea_popescu;(i dunno, optimized on some architectures somehow ?)
1881462;1545151101;asciilifeform;word+word additions are O(1)
1881463;1545151110;mircea_popescu;at least afaik.
1881464;1545151154;mircea_popescu;anyway, my point is : it ~already~ cranks b forward. might as well piggyback on that
1881465;1545151155;asciilifeform;afaik on all known irons.
1881466;1545151168;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how do you mean
1881467;1545151171;mircea_popescu;(if i understand correclty, and := is in fact better/cheaper than +)
1881468;1545151203;asciilifeform;the loop cranks, but the index only gotta crank when nonzerobit
1881469;1545151203;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform b, the index of the loop, cranks on every iteration.
1881470;1545151220;mircea_popescu;um
1881471;1545151227;*;mircea_popescu shall go re-read this.
1881472;1545152420;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile in Latino Problems Today: https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/barcos-formaron-un-embalse-que-inunda-carmelo-20181217202841
1881473;1545153918;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881458 << this is known bug in my ver of mircea_popescu's script, i'ma fix it , but 1st priority is ffaism currently
1881474;1545153918;a111;Logged on 2018-12-18 16:09 mircea_popescu: (i was also going to use the reference thing, but it dun fucking work, i end up with http://www.loper-os.org/#selection-5115.22-5115.37 useless junk
1881475;1545153940;asciilifeform;( it triggers if you make a selection and then unmake )
1881476;1545153963;asciilifeform;fwiw correctly-baked sels work 100% when linked, hence why i kept the script around as it currently stands
1881477;1545154058;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881459 << err, W_NZeroP
1881478;1545154058;a111;Logged on 2018-12-18 16:31 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it gotta crank Index forward. but nao that i think about it, could be equiv. : Index := Index + W_ZeroP(W) .
1881479;1545154173;asciilifeform;btw, FZ_Measure only happens 1nce during a modexp, and is around 0.01% of the cpu cost. but i'd still like to have the simplest mechanism.
1881480;1545154264;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'ma add the above massaged ver to the mailbag sect of 14b.
1881481;1545154367;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881465 << will add to this : on any hypothetical iron where add and sub aint constant-time ( i know of none , but could hypothetically exist in fyooyoor ) the overall 'is modexp constant-time' litmus will ring alarm.
1881482;1545154367;a111;Logged on 2018-12-18 16:39 asciilifeform: afaik on all known irons.
1881483;1545154392;asciilifeform;( user porting ffa to new irons is expected to run the litmus )
1881484;1545154551;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/12/britain-starting-to-plan-for-no-deal-brexit-while-focus-remains-on-not-actually-brexit-deal/ << Qntra -- Britain Starting To Plan For No Deal Brexit While Focus Remains On Not Actually Brexit Deal
1881485;1545154692;asciilifeform;btw 14b contains a http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2753 -style 'electrical' illustration of barrett, as well as the coad
1881486;1545154722;asciilifeform;( to demonstrate ~space~ as well as time of the algo )
1881487;1545154915;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/14b_peek.html << sneak preview of subj
1881488;1545154936;asciilifeform;( warning: uncorrected draft, harmful or fatal if swallowed(tm) ! )
1881489;1545157121;danielpbarron;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881336 << yes, i want my blog to be something other people in my church can be interested in reading; also i want it to be something i can share anywhere and have it lead people to the truth
1881490;1545157121;a111;Logged on 2018-12-18 07:29 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron do you have a bunch of readers interested in the quotes you figure, or what's the thinking ?
1881491;1545157343;danielpbarron;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881371 << i have read the things i used to post, and i hate them; they are written poorly and show off how weak i am as a person. i honestly think my recent stuff is much more interesting
1881492;1545157343;a111;Logged on 2018-12-18 14:51 mircea_popescu: the exact same thing applies universally and throiughout. the world works a certain way, and it will continue to do so. if you build a blog on the strength of being interesting, you will destroy it with crap ; and if you build a reputation on being sane, you will destroy it with insanity. and so on. at no point is your "conviction" at issue (nor is it interesting, nor important). what's at issue is ~reality~, and reality does
1881493;1545157390;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: do you believe that it is possible to have a meaningful exchange without shared priors ?
1881494;1545157425;asciilifeform;( ... or that it is possible to get folx to 'install' yer priors, by throwing them repeatedly ?? )
1881495;1545157803;danielpbarron;it's rare but it happens
1881496;1545157886;danielpbarron;what are the shared priors in this case?
1881497;1545158421;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: the relation b/w danielpbarron's scriptures & reality
1881498;1545158541;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: on rereading, i fear that my orig algo is actually ~wrong~
1881499;1545158578;asciilifeform;and , when tested on 1e6 FG outputs, worked accidentally
1881500;1545158578;danielpbarron;the reason I do it is because those scriptures say to do it. All things are caused by God, even Him causing me and other saints to preach, and Him causing lost people to turn away from destruction
1881501;1545158603;asciilifeform;it oughta be Index := W_Mux(Index + b, Index, W_ZeroP(W)); .
1881502;1545158657;asciilifeform;( the reason why worked, is that barrett is ( as shown in ch 14a ) 'too forgiving' of wrong choice of constant J . )
1881503;1545158686;asciilifeform;i'ma have to do a thorough rewalk of the logic in 13.
1881504;1545158738;asciilifeform;FZ_Measure as it currently exists, will undershoot the actual value for some inputs.
1881505;1545158872;asciilifeform;err, hm, nm
1881506;1545158920;asciilifeform;false alarm. i misread own item, it is correct (tho inefficient, as described earlier) , we increment for so long as W is nonzero while shifted.
1881507;1545158928;asciilifeform;i'ma still rewalk 13.
1881508;1545159017;asciilifeform;apologies to the folx whose blood pressure i raised.
1881509;1545159285;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: i dun expect an answer that'll run on my hardware, but i cannot resist to ask, why yahwe and not vishnu ? ( and didja settle this by rtfm of both scriptures, or didja http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-30#1876407 it ? )
1881510;1545159285;a111;Logged on 2018-11-30 17:27 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: well, asciilifeform is not usually the 'Пастернака не читал, но осуждаю'(tm)(r) type. so yes tried to read.
1881511;1545159698;danielpbarron;i can't give a rational answer. every man's religion is right in his own eyes
1881512;1545161109;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i kinda went away with the same suspicion.
1881513;1545161894;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881350 << it ~might~ be entertaining. the problem with comedy is that inept timing, poor delivery and insufficient culture coupled with the wrong sort of personality will bomb the best of material.
1881514;1545161894;a111;Logged on 2018-12-18 12:05 phf: with an unwavering "because god said so right here" position.
1881515;1545161938;mircea_popescu;which is how a dozen writers end up writing for jerry lewis, rather than a dozen jerry lewises banging down the door of Joe Q Writer : way the FUCK more good premises than folk who can do something with them.
1881516;1545161960;mircea_popescu;also why the whole "my dear folks, blog!" and everything else. the shortage is of hands not of "ideas".
1881517;1545162018;mircea_popescu;but outside of this, yes, the best available recuperative reconstruction of danielpbarron 's latest shenanigans is in this vein, "trolling xtians".
1881518;1545162138;mircea_popescu;that also aside, it's not a matter of " his imperative doesn't align with that of all the rest of the republic ". this is like saying "the medicine of african shamans doesn't allign with the post-pasteur views". not a matter of "not allign", a matter of "that false '''imperative''' has been floating about to 0 effect for three thousand years ; this actual imperative is manifestly more powerful."
1881519;1545162174;mircea_popescu;i'm not gonna go about pretending like "whatever, ox power, combustion engine, what the hell's the difference". pretty fucking well evident what the hell's the difference.
1881520;1545162222;mircea_popescu;not going back to roman numerals, either. and so following.
1881521;1545162268;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881500 -> o.O is danielpbarron a saint nao?
1881522;1545162268;a111;Logged on 2018-12-18 18:42 danielpbarron: the reason I do it is because those scriptures say to do it. All things are caused by God, even Him causing me and other saints to preach, and Him causing lost people to turn away from destruction
1881523;1545162351;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881351 << it has also been done to (literal) death. has all the cachet of "knock knock" jokes.
1881524;1545162351;a111;Logged on 2018-12-18 12:06 phf: it's certainly a dodgy, bottom of the barrel choice of venue though..
1881525;1545162640;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881357 << you know, it occurs to me that for someone who was http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-22#1816553 taped out, you got a lot of moolah to imperially throw about, stripper parties with special-ordered cross-coast stripper, whatnot.
1881526;1545162640;a111;Logged on 2018-12-18 13:14 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881345 << already replied that he got'em on paper, but in treasure chest on wrong coast ( he moved to west. ) i answered with offer to pay his flight to get'em plus what to make it worth his while. no answ to this just yet.
1881527;1545162640;a111;Logged on 2018-05-22 15:24 asciilifeform: next one will have to be somebody else tho
1881528;1545162907;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881489 << then, logically, it belongs read by the feedbot of the channel of your church. just because the http://trilema.com/2014/the-death-of-taxes/#selection-185.0-185.1138 problem doesn't mean you get to assuage your evident awareness of what a shithead your bf is by hanging out with the cool chicks and pretending to some sort of comunion. go, get the tards off the mud they've been packin
1881529;1545162907;a111;Logged on 2018-12-18 18:18 danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881336 << yes, i want my blog to be something other people in my church can be interested in reading; also i want it to be something i can share anywhere and have it lead people to the truth
1881530;1545162908;mircea_popescu;g up their bungholes lo these many years, have them make channels and feedbots and what else a civilised person such as yourself has been accustomed to have access to, and then you'll have a feed.
1881531;1545162971;danielpbarron;that's what i said, remove it from the feed in here. i'm not arguing to keep it showing up where it isn't wanted
1881532;1545162974;mircea_popescu;otherwise what is this, meet the rich girls at yoga class two hours a week and then daydream those two hours on repead all the rest of the time you spend in the rv with the pothead and the empty takeout containers ?
1881533;1545163030;mircea_popescu;i'm not even saying you're arguing ; i'm trying to point out something to you maybe who knows, it sparks teh understanding.
1881534;1545163048;mircea_popescu;why is it that this church is notable in spite of not having a feedbot ?
1881535;1545163147;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881495 << in the end, this is how (and why) republics die. the sort of folk who are actually willing to do the correct thing (ie, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-12#1880344 ) are generally doing it from the outside, rather than from the inside.
1881536;1545163147;a111;Logged on 2018-12-18 18:30 danielpbarron: it's rare but it happens
1881537;1545163147;a111;Logged on 2018-12-12 19:30 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-19#1802755 << did you walk that db yet btw ?
1881538;1545163162;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform wants to hire BingoBoingo to do it ; BingoBoingo is looking around for "awk experts" to do it. meanwhile, danielpbarron is out there doing it.
1881539;1545163182;mircea_popescu;entirely fucking wrongly, trying to get sane people to be stupid, rather than trying to get stupid people to be sane. and as he says -- rarely, but it works.
1881540;1545163201;mircea_popescu;over however many years, rarely but it works here and there, and soon enough you wonder where the great went and why does it have to be agained.
1881541;1545163229;mircea_popescu;well, whoopdeedoo... if instead of letting the ants eat your dumb asses you ate the ants, it'd be the other way. and until it isn't the other way, it'll keep being this way, grand discovery this.
1881542;1545163315;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881512 << the algo's correct tho. (just nao walked it again on chalkboard)
1881543;1545163315;a111;Logged on 2018-12-18 19:25 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i kinda went away with the same suspicion.
1881544;1545163350;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah, can't say i found anything.
1881545;1545163351;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881525 << dun think that asciilifeform's loaded; he had small bit of dough specifically set aside for 'if bolix appears!'
1881546;1545163351;a111;Logged on 2018-12-18 19:50 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881357 << you know, it occurs to me that for someone who was http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-22#1816553 taped out, you got a lot of moolah to imperially throw about, stripper parties with special-ordered cross-coast stripper, whatnot.
1881547;1545163375;*;asciilifeform contrary, perhaps, to appearances, does plan things, has a semblance of organization
1881548;1545163407;asciilifeform;speaking of this, phf earlier today i got those pics, and then peeled with knife the PAL,GAL labels and write what was under
1881549;1545163417;asciilifeform;when i get around to pumping'em out of the cam, will post
1881550;1545163449;asciilifeform;turns out there's even an early fpga in'ere, approx same density as the one in FG. ( but good noose is, it handles the crapple bus)
1881551;1545163728;mircea_popescu;"As far as I know, the proof in this article is the only public one which completely treats a constant-time implementation of Barrett’s Reduction." << check him out.
1881552;1545163859;asciilifeform;it's not a lie tho
1881553;1545163862;asciilifeform;i dunno of any other
1881554;1545163940;mircea_popescu;ok, so the idea is to cap his error equation, and then iterate by the cap, and that's home.
1881555;1545163974;mircea_popescu;this is a good idea.
1881556;1545164015;mircea_popescu;it's not even clever, it's the necessary and evident approach. which yes, is better than clever.
1881557;1545164036;asciilifeform;if mircea_popescu or anybody else finds a 'clever' in ffa, plox to ping asciilifeform asap so it can be burned out with hot irons.
1881558;1545164056;mircea_popescu;well, barrett to begin with :)
1881559;1545164068;mircea_popescu;karatsuba also.
1881560;1545164072;asciilifeform;barrett is 'optional' (technically errything after ch6 is!)
1881561;1545164074;mircea_popescu;but nothingwrongwiththis.
1881562;1545164077;asciilifeform;in exact same sense.
1881563;1545164081;asciilifeform;1-6 is 'what if 0 clever'
1881564;1545164091;asciilifeform;i can actually think of applications where you'd want 100% egypt.
1881565;1545164097;asciilifeform;( commands for space probe? )
1881566;1545164205;mircea_popescu;ima re-read this again later.
1881567;1545164368;asciilifeform;it never hurts.
1881568;1545164486;asciilifeform;phf: i fear that it'll take an entire weekend to go through the pics ( plux i wanna redo whole thing with a tripod and macro lens, and the latter i gotta find ) , but to whet appetite, have a http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bolix/bolix_peek.jpg
1881569;1545164495;asciilifeform;and before anybody asks, yes the box still worked on reassembly.
1881570;1545164527;asciilifeform;( and yes got bottom side pic and close-ups etc. there are no components on side2, only trax )
1881571;1545164576;mircea_popescu;fox korea... dude such 80s
1881572;1545164576;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there's a reason i wrote the thing that way, with 'what's the minimum for rsa modexp without ANY accelerations', and only then with
1881573;1545164597;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this particular item is stamped '91. ver. 1 came out in '86.
1881574;1545164638;asciilifeform;'rev.d. ser. num 433'
1881575;1545164664;asciilifeform;the object on bottom of photo is the ram brd
1881576;1545164686;mircea_popescu;https://foxonline.com/ << they stil lexist, too.
1881577;1545164689;asciilifeform;( 74f1762a is a dram refreshtron , gives sram-like interface on 1 side )
1881578;1545164694;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: became 'foxconn' iirc
1881579;1545164700;asciilifeform;y'know, the folx who make crapples
1881580;1545164736;mircea_popescu;nah, diff guys.
1881581;1545164741;mircea_popescu;mostly make oscillators / freq caps
1881582;1545164742;asciilifeform;hm.
1881583;1545164754;asciilifeform;yeah possib
1881584;1545164846;asciilifeform;it is interesting that literally errything, other than the filter caps and the drams, is socketed.
1881585;1545164881;asciilifeform;( the column of 'toshiba' is sram )
1881586;1545164911;asciilifeform;items with stickers, and a few without (engraved, clearly burned at factory rather than by hand) , are PAL/GAL
1881587;1545164991;asciilifeform;all of'em have inscriptions of the form DDDDDD-A/B, aside from the fpga (has just the #), and the serialnum chip (cypress, and i'ma post full output from the knife+notebook when i post whole orchestra)
1881588;1545165202;asciilifeform;observe also the apparently-inevitable, in '80s iron, blue 'bodge' wires !
1881589;1545165233;asciilifeform;they happened , i suppose, when engineer 'oops'. i've found'em even in 486.
1881590;1545165253;asciilifeform;( at today's clocks, if you 'oops' the pcb you gotta throw it out and cut off some heads )
1881591;1545165316;asciilifeform;the empty seats inscribed 'spare' also interesting, and reminiscent of ye olde ibm pc with 'hey, some drams rotten, we'll sit new ones on top'
1881592;1545165360;asciilifeform;there are bypass caps apparently hand-soldered to socketed (!) PALs, too, will make pulling'em a bitch
1881593;1545165403;asciilifeform;stickers looked virginal prior to today's defloration, so i suspect that this particular specimen has not been on vivisection table prior.
1881594;1545165788;*;asciilifeform bbl,teatime
1881595;1545168796;*;asciilifeform back
1881596;1545169377;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881556 << there may be a way to use the floor(2^k / M) ~quotient~ to determine the E . but i'ma leave this alone until end of series, it won't make a superlinear diff in the runtime
1881597;1545169377;a111;Logged on 2018-12-18 20:13 mircea_popescu: it's not even clever, it's the necessary and evident approach. which yes, is better than clever.
1881598;1545171017;asciilifeform;in other noose, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2857&cpage=1#comment-19764 << not earth-shaking but proves that the comment box does work..
1881599;1545171706;asciilifeform;phf: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bolix/bolix_peek_back.jpg , goes with the earlier
1881600;1545171761;asciilifeform;and before anyone asks, no i have nfi what bolix (or the ravages of time...) did to that solder mask to make the tracks look like dash
1881601;1545171809;asciilifeform;oh holyfuq
1881602;1545171816;asciilifeform;i suspect that the greens are ~pain~
1881603;1545171817;asciilifeform;*paint
1881604;1545171823;asciilifeform;and dun actually need xray, doh
1881605;1545171827;asciilifeform;they're copies from side a
1881606;1545171877;asciilifeform;i'ma put this thing on a flatbed this weekend and get a 2000dpi shot of that arse
1881607;1545171918;asciilifeform;this thing was quite evidently built to be repairable, by dks et al.
1881608;1545172030;asciilifeform;i suspect it'll still need xray, that green quite definitely dun acct for all the pins
1881609;1545172043;asciilifeform;but will make the pcb rev job slightly less of a bitch.
1881610;1545172519;BingoBoingo;Very interesting and 1980's of them
1881611;1545172558;asciilifeform;pcb is 1% of the headache, tops. 99% is the PALs.
1881612;1545172576;asciilifeform;and that actel, it's a 1200 gate antifuse fpga (well, without the 'f', lol), turns out.
1881613;1545172650;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> well, whoopdeedoo... if instead of letting the ants eat your dumb asses you ate the ants, it'd be the other way. and until it isn't the other way, it'll keep being this way, grand discovery this. << This is. I'm setting up mp-wp for a lead danielpbarron directed to us.
1881614;1545172657;asciilifeform;some good ~spywork~ would cut the headache down 9000x. but asciilifeform is apparently not very good at this.
1881615;1545172733;asciilifeform;so far i can't even seem to convince phf to post that magic doc.
1881616;1545172805;asciilifeform;phf srsly what gives ? wai not just post the uncensored dump. dks certainly aint coming to moscow to shit in your air conditioner.
1881617;1545172871;asciilifeform;phf: or gpggram to asciilifeform whole thing, and i'ma post with black flag proudly flying.
1881618;1545172893;BingoBoingo;And it isn't like the Republic lacks people who could conveniently shit in his air conditioner
1881619;1545172975;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the correct vent to shit in is that mallery d00d's
1881620;1545173000;asciilifeform;dks is the latter's slave
1881621;1545173032;asciilifeform;!#s mallery
1881622;1545173032;a111;28 results for "mallery", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=mallery
1881623;1545173035;asciilifeform;^ see also.
1881624;1545173306;BingoBoingo;And where is his doorknob?
1881625;1545173372;asciilifeform;somewhere in those godforsaken lands presumably. derping on re 'cyber arms control' and other usgisms.
1881626;1545173450;asciilifeform;'Internet Governance & Cyber Conflicts: Models ...' << lol
1881627;1545173700;BingoBoingo;Ughhh, ustardism. Apparently I have been spoiled by a country where it is less challenging for me to piss on former and sitting president's doorknobs than it is for them to piss on mine.
1881628;1545173872;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: d00d is by all appearances a veritable platinum standard of ustardism. the sheer pseudointellectual garbage he spews on his podium, defies description
1881629;1545173947;asciilifeform;my current model is that 'hitler' put him in charge of the bottled remains of bolix for the elementary http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-10#1158785 reason.
1881630;1545173947;a111;Logged on 2015-06-10 03:40 asciilifeform: 'watchman may not know what is behind the door he is guarding; if he knew - would steal it himself' (tm) (r) (sov army)
1881631;1545174020;asciilifeform;his immediate predecessor as 'guard' was a nobody called andrew topping, by all surviving accounts a sort of craig wright figure
1881632;1545174134;asciilifeform;( iirc mallery 'bought' the 'properties' for an amt that does not by many zeroes exceed what asciilifeform bought the 1 box for . entirely a http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-05#1831755 scenario, near as i can tell. )
1881633;1545174134;a111;Logged on 2018-07-05 16:22 mircea_popescu: very much in the vein of http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-14#795515 : NONE, and i mean it : not a single FUCKING ONE of these "government-sponsored oligarchs" have a penny to their name. every single one "powerful" of the democracy-socialism, be they a senator, a general, a "famous person", a "journalist", WHATHEVER they may be, made out, at all. not like bandits, not like anythings, they're as poor as church mice.
1881634;1545174213;asciilifeform;usg used a fleet of bolix boxen for gulf war I logistics, and fuck knows what else, so in some dusty beetleman's desk it is 'coloured' as 'strategic', and so it gets passed from mallery to mallery.
1881635;1545174269;asciilifeform;omfg, ohnoez, soviets will copy!1111
1881636;1545174363;asciilifeform;as recently as 2010, that logistics thing was still in biz and running bolixen (iirc 'xl' variant), dks admitted.
1881637;1545174429;asciilifeform;passed, thirdhand, 'the brass erru year want to close it down but the greybeard defends, 'these are the only machines that never once crashed' '
1881638;1545174543;asciilifeform;i'd be at least mildly surprised if i learned today that the place hasn't yet been bulldozed and converted to microshit; but all kindsa miracles are possible, e.g. usg rocket command still runs on 100% dec vax and no plans to stop 'till 2050' Officially
1881639;1545183130;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881607 << kinda how it went then neh. hence the fixing wiring etc.
1881640;1545183130;a111;Logged on 2018-12-18 22:25 asciilifeform: this thing was quite evidently built to be repairable, by dks et al.
1881641;1545183150;asciilifeform;aha
1881642;1545183162;asciilifeform;tho still bit of a puzzler, the green print defo dun show 100% of side-a trax
1881643;1545183535;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881634 << last one they won.
1881644;1545183535;a111;Logged on 2018-12-18 23:03 asciilifeform: usg used a fleet of bolix boxen for gulf war I logistics, and fuck knows what else, so in some dusty beetleman's desk it is 'coloured' as 'strategic', and so it gets passed from mallery to mallery.
1881645;1545183799;mircea_popescu;https://cis-india.org/internet-governance/issues-in-internet-governance << indian top keks, their early reconnaissance teams found out how to eat the ustard sandwich, and there they crowd.
1881646;1545183831;mircea_popescu;but anyway, we briefly lulzed at some similar moron, had something about how "us still matters in air notwithstanding russia long owned its dumb ass". predictably, "because hurr".
1881647;1545183844;mircea_popescu;can't be arsed to dig him up. usual squarejaw moron.
1881648;1545183864;asciilifeform;large lulz collection in my journals from mallery, e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1772126
1881649;1545183864;a111;Logged on 2018-01-17 21:42 asciilifeform: 'John Mallery @jcmallery_cyber 25 Dec 2017 Declinism is a psyop of adversaries...it was spread before during the Vietnam war.' << ahahahaha gold
1881650;1545183886;mircea_popescu;anyway, they can talk till they drop. the republic owns the internet like it owns everything else that exists, and the entire space of the ~possibility~ of expression.
1881651;1545184020;asciilifeform;enforcing 'i own the house' on the cockroaches in the kitchen, still takes work
1881652;1545184026;mircea_popescu;anyway, in passing, here's the lulziest "vulnerability" of the whole edifice : for some reason ustards decided that "inconsequentialism" is the golden key to victory, and therefore a) divorcing their thought process from any contemplation of the consequence of their actions and b) inducing everyone else to preoccupy themselves with "consequences" is the path to victory.
1881653;1545184049;asciilifeform;'strategy' inherited from brit empire.
1881654;1545184062;mircea_popescu;as a ~result~ of this idocy, the pellet of lost dollars in iraq, and the incapacity to produce a budget, and all the http://qntra.net/2018/12/fbi-entraps-young-woman-into-terrorism-charges-by-becoming-her-entire-social-circle/ wank and so on.
1881655;1545184074;mircea_popescu;how exactly they imagine the dumb & deaf can win anything is anyone's guess, but there they go.
1881656;1545184097;asciilifeform;their Official ideology, near as i can tell, is 'budgets are for the lesser mortals who can't print green'
1881657;1545184129;mircea_popescu;right ? all converges to the same idiocy, namely "mp doesn't seem to need to be concerned with consequences and so the path to be him is, you know, douchebaggin' it"
1881658;1545184135;mircea_popescu;this works as well as you expect, but w/e.
1881659;1545184172;mircea_popescu;i suppose it's a rake particularly fit for the exact shape of their face, because the principal mental issue of anglotards is their overwhelming anxiety.
1881660;1545184207;asciilifeform;the algo dun eggog until brezhn^H^H^Hobummer orders a pallet of abrams armor and it dun show up.
1881661;1545184210;mircea_popescu;still, the ~reason~ anyone even maintains a general staff, as opposed to "shoulda killed them all, like stalin", is precisely that left to their own devices, tacticians find the rakes shaped like their face.
1881662;1545184250;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform best i can tell a) this happened under nigglet's reign and b) whole "great again" algo consists of "find me those orders we can still execute, and limit ordering to that".
1881663;1545184252;mircea_popescu;which... sure.
1881664;1545184315;asciilifeform;while that set is close enuff to the min reqd to keep 'biz as usual' humming, on it goes
1881665;1545184341;mircea_popescu;well... smartphones are cheap, and fast food ever shittier.
1881666;1545184350;mircea_popescu;but hey. soviets didn't give up in 1981.
1881667;1545184389;mircea_popescu;entire pantsuit rage @trump can be readily decoded in terms of "how dare you consider consequences".
1881668;1545184453;mircea_popescu;and to go back to the "thin english" thread : somehow it never occured to them the ~proper name~ for their ideology is "inconsequentialism". because english doesn't force such, which is why and how it's entirely inadherent to humour (in the odessa sense of term).
1881669;1545184481;mircea_popescu;if it had, they might've noticed what the ~necessary correlate~ is. how's one to be inconsequential and important ?
1881670;1545184533;asciilifeform;'it worx until you try to use it'
1881671;1545184548;mircea_popescu;there, took me five minutes typing and half a second's thought to demolish the intellectual produce of centcom since 2001.
1881672;1545184551;mircea_popescu;such leverage.
1881673;1545184604;mircea_popescu;"cyber threats" right. not this. something else.
1881674;1545184607;mircea_popescu;what the fuck else is there ?
1881675;1545184707;asciilifeform;'cyber threats' is, a la prb, smoke grenade to obscure the actual ur-'cyberthreat' to reich, i.e. comp stack sans usg
1881676;1545184847;asciilifeform;the 'thinking' goes, 'if we derp from podium 24/7/365 re how 'security' means microshit-cum-latest-servicepack, erryone will believe' , or somesuch
1881677;1545229706;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in very very vintage lulz, https://archive.is/u3Rr
1881678;1545230070;asciilifeform;'the Italian school of algebraic geometry, which produced extremely good and deep results for some 50 years, but then went to pieces. There are 3 key names here -- Castelnuovo, Enriques and Severi. C was earliest and was totally rigorous, a splendid mathematician.  E came next and, as far as I know, never published anything that was false, though he openly acknowledged that some of his proofs didn't cover every possible case (there w
1881679;1545230071;asciilifeform;ere often special highly singular cases which later turned out to be central to understanding a situation).  He used to talk about posing "critical doubts". He had his own standards and was happy to reexamine a "proof" and make it more nearly complete. Unfortunately Severi, the last in the line, a fascist with a dictatorial temperament, really killed the whole school because, although he started off with brilliant and correct discove
1881680;1545230071;asciilifeform;ries, later published books full of garbage (this was in the 30's and 40's). The rest of the world was uncertain what had been proven and what not. He gave a keynote speech at the first Int Congress after the war in 1950, but his mistakes were becoming clearer and clearer. It took the efforts of 2 great men, Zariski and Weil, to clean up the mess in the 40's and 50's although dredging this morass for its correct results continues occ
1881681;1545230076;asciilifeform;asionally to this day.'
1881682;1545232504;BingoBoingo;!!sent-invoices
1881683;1545232511;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/fIYJy/?raw=true
1881684;1545232800;BingoBoingo;!Qlater tell cruciform Your blog is ready http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/keyqK/?raw=true
1881685;1545232800;lobbesbot;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
1881686;1545237512;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha!
1881687;1545237800;feedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2018/12/19/a-week-in-tmsr-26-november-2-december-2018/ << Ossasepia -- A Week in TMSR: 26 November - 2 December 2018
1881688;1545238071;diana_coman;awww, Mocky
1881689;1545238194;mircea_popescu;!?
1881690;1545238487;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, http://ossasepia.com/2018/12/19/a-week-in-tmsr-26-november-2-december-2018/#selection-203.342-203.479
1881691;1545238493;mircea_popescu;http://ossasepia.com/2018/12/19/a-week-in-tmsr-26-november-2-december-2018/#selection-41.1060-41.1073 << lol, it didn't occur to me it went vicious.
1881692;1545238530;mircea_popescu;i mean, the point re "do not turn signal processor into state machine nor your wire into a cable" seems both time honored and uncontroversial.
1881693;1545238555;diana_coman;yes, but going from vdiff to "being smart" of people sounds rather vicious to me
1881694;1545238601;mircea_popescu;now ima have to re-read that thing.
1881695;1545238636;diana_coman;good - my re-reading makes for re-reading :D
1881696;1545238660;asciilifeform;diana_coman: pretty detailed summaries!
1881697;1545238697;diana_coman;ftr I don't mean it in the sense that anyone in there got attacked; simply in the sense that it started from something and ended up in an entirely (if totally valid!) different place
1881698;1545238705;diana_coman;not unusual for conversations in #trilema either
1881699;1545238717;diana_coman;asciilifeform, hm, that sounds...dubious for a summary! but thanks!
1881700;1545238723;asciilifeform;no, i like
1881701;1545238730;mircea_popescu;i think maybe the problem is that we omitted " around the smart, though the intention transparently is "smart as understood by mainstream idiots".
1881702;1545238736;asciilifeform;(picture if these existed for whole thing!)
1881703;1545238750;mircea_popescu;part of the problem being that we traditionally use " to render pantsuit nonsense, and i suppose it ended up coloring the quotes or something.
1881704;1545238771;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, ah, that makes sense, yes
1881705;1545238859;diana_coman;asciilifeform, well, someone has to make them for them to exist at all! and yeah, this one is significantly longer and also took a couple of hours more; I suspect the longer I go back the longer it will take because more recent ones have the advantage of being relatively fresh in my mind - I keep up with the log throughout the day to some extent anyway
1881706;1545238875;mircea_popescu;see, because it's evidently ~the exact opposite~ of the traditional definition of smart, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-09#1870361 like. ie, republican notion of smartness is http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-18#1863577 whereas what happens here is that something is faux-simplified at massive cost.
1881707;1545238875;a111;Logged on 2018-11-09 09:02 Mocky: of course 'smart toasting' was the opposite of smart
1881708;1545238875;a111;Logged on 2018-10-18 18:57 mircea_popescu: which i stand behind, ftr ; and it is also what informs the "if they had any sense -- they'd be here" stance. the fact that rando can't cut through fetlife to find the meat / can't cut through internet to find trilema / can't cut through femstate to find bitcoin / can't cut through pantsuitism to find republic etc specifically means that rando is dull, ie, not smart.
1881709;1545238903;mircea_popescu;"how about you don't have to keep an empty diff around and in exchange get a stated diff" is exactly like "how about you no longer have to check oil in car and instead have to hitch rides on highway"
1881710;1545238908;mircea_popescu;"smart".
1881711;1545238961;diana_coman;yes; that's the sense of smart in there, sure; does it seem different from the summary or what?
1881712;1545238979;mircea_popescu;diana_coman you're very likely right, i expect a major stone on nicole's back was precisely this : man re-reading has to reconstruct a cognitive structure. cost of this is 0 for man who's been reading and has it pre-built ; cost is small for man who lost it, but was there and knows how to build it. cost is immense for man that tries to learn how to build at the same time as building.
1881713;1545238994;mircea_popescu;diana_coman "in there" where ?
1881714;1545239028;diana_coman;in the original discussion in the logs; my q is whether the summary seems to miss the point somehow/convey a different "smart" ?
1881715;1545239055;mircea_popescu;i think the summary takes smart as a neutral symbol, whereas in the logs it was used as a very overloaded symbol.
1881716;1545239115;diana_coman;hm, I did not read it as a neutral symbol, hence my "" for it; but I don't really know how to convey more clearly that it's the opposite of actual smart (other than either explicitly noting that or using the "" that seems to fail to work)
1881717;1545239145;mircea_popescu;well now i gotta re-read the summary :)
1881718;1545239155;diana_coman;ahahaha
1881719;1545239184;mircea_popescu;honestly, i think you have it. the quotes are there, the discussion is here, he who reads understands.
1881720;1545239203;diana_coman;cheers!
1881721;1545239240;mircea_popescu;i think what ~really~ happened was term vicious switched parser into interpreting ~your~ quotes as neutral (she's taking from the log) whereas they were in fact overloaded (she's using them to convey faux smart tone on being smart).
1881722;1545239254;mircea_popescu;the disadvantages of natural language.
1881723;1545239356;mircea_popescu;specifically : all communication relies on trees ; the presence, the order, ~and absence~ are all meaningful, and meaning is extracted from communication by adding and removing from a mind-held space of possibilities according to what is said, in what order it is said, ~and what is not said~. because certain absences, just as certain ordering, deny certain possible meanings just as well as if they were denied explicitly.
1881724;1545239378;mircea_popescu;natural language, however, ablates the trees for "convenience" so to speak, ie, uses commonly what's known in computing as sparse trees.
1881725;1545239388;mircea_popescu;this sometimes conflicts with the decoding process.
1881726;1545239403;*;asciilifeform just this morning finished the 'space' proof of 14b, also grappled with 'meaning imposed by unsaid'
1881727;1545239437;mircea_popescu;it is definitely there. but then again you can't, practically, neither emit orally a Titem array nor forbid people to think of large arrays.
1881728;1545239450;asciilifeform;titem ?
1881729;1545239468;mircea_popescu;like Tbyte
1881730;1545239471;asciilifeform;aa
1881731;1545239501;mircea_popescu;also why bureaucratic language becomes such a laughingstock (aka, "limba de lemn") the ~better~ it gets : it takes this devil's hand, and makes the trade, accepts narrower domain for better specificity.
1881732;1545239554;mircea_popescu;the fundamental difference between my harem, which is fun, and army service, which is and can be anything but fun, is that the girls ~don't~ know what all there is, bad or good, nor how to say it. not everything's a list, not everything's a procedure, the scary butts its head in almost daily. but what can you do.
1881733;1545239568;diana_coman;I can also add that doing those summaries is useful in cementing my previous idea that they really have to be done manually - there's no way to link the various bits and pieces correctly without actually understanding the content; even with pointers from one line to another, even with some set of terms and definitions , it would still likely fail
1881734;1545239586;mircea_popescu;diana_coman and yet google "built ai" which "won at go".
1881735;1545239609;asciilifeform;lol by same token kraft co. 'won at cheese'
1881736;1545239610;mircea_popescu;(i will propose go "with a general adversary", glory-hole go so to speak, is about on the complexity level of log summarizing, +- constant)
1881737;1545239622;diana_coman;I'm sure it can also fully and without problems "summarize" the twitter twatter
1881738;1545239891;mircea_popescu;diana_coman welcome to the horror of all time : a lot of shit to summarize, specifically driven by and existing specifically because previous efforts at summarizing.
1881739;1545239903;mircea_popescu;as general compression theory predicts, it is ~extremely hard to summarize~.
1881740;1545239933;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881688 << and here I thought a large part of the republic was to reveal one's inner idjit. worked for trinque.
1881741;1545239933;a111;Logged on 2018-12-19 16:47 diana_coman: awww, Mocky
1881742;1545239981;*;diana_coman can picture the summaries of the summaries
1881743;1545239992;*;diana_coman also hopes Mocky does come back!
1881744;1545240083;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/12/trump-foundation-de-kulakized-in-new-york/ << Qntra -- Trump Foundation De-Kulakized In New York
1881745;1545240134;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: key lolgem being 'Directing the Foundation to cooperate with the Attorney General in the distribution of any remaining assets to qualified charitable entities...'
1881746;1545240164;asciilifeform;meanwhile clitler 'foundation' happily hums along
1881747;1545240171;BingoBoingo;AHA, De-kulakized
1881748;1545240192;BingoBoingo;New York, once again stealing stealing from
1881749;1545240286;mircea_popescu;"nd resulted in the misuse of charitable assets for the benefit of Donald J. Trump ("Mr. ("Trump") Trump" and his personal, political and/or business interests. In sum, the Investigation revealed that the Foundation was little more than a checkbook for payments to not-for-profits from Mr. Trump or the Trump Organization." << i don't get it... so was it used for his benefit or at his cost ?
1881750;1545240298;mircea_popescu;ie, do they object money was flowing into trump or that it was flowing out of trump ?
1881751;1545240359;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they object that he ( like other moneyed folx , and exactly like clitler et al ) tried to create tax fort for his heirs. nao heirs will get 0, and pantsuit 100%.
1881752;1545240375;mircea_popescu;well, considering who those "heirs" are...
1881753;1545240414;asciilifeform;seen from asciilifeform's lens, episode is part of the larger 'kick dog till it bites, then shoot it' campaign of pantsuit
1881754;1545240424;asciilifeform;'we dare you to do something about this so can impeach'
1881755;1545240458;mircea_popescu;was there any actual money at stake ?
1881756;1545240490;mircea_popescu;seems to me a rather pompous case of "oh, you used this room to funnel moneys to charities dedicated to hanging fat old black women rather than feeding hobos ? WE TAKE THE CHAIRS!!!"
1881757;1545240496;asciilifeform;piece claims at least '6mil'
1881758;1545240503;mircea_popescu;well then that's no fort.
1881759;1545240509;mircea_popescu;wrong prefix.
1881760;1545240510;asciilifeform;well that's on 1 particular intake
1881761;1545240522;mircea_popescu;yeah, but the sort of reports they make, that 6mn is ~40k
1881762;1545240530;asciilifeform;doesn't say what total net from dekulakization, no
1881763;1545240553;mircea_popescu;where's that log link of yours re the weighing of contraband ? "this car had roach in dash so we captured car's weight of marijuana" ?
1881764;1545240582;asciilifeform;from other heathendom prattle, even smaller figure, e.g. cnn's 'The foundation's most recent tax return listed its net assets at slightly more than $1.7 million.'
1881765;1545240598;mircea_popescu;that's a tax return.
1881766;1545240610;mircea_popescu;ie, at best accurate as to q4 2017
1881767;1545240615;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that link was re lsd, where http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828187
1881768;1545240615;a111;Logged on 2018-06-21 16:51 asciilifeform: ( sorta how you see sentences for '10kg of lsd', which has never existed and probably will never exist on planet earth; they weigh whatever reagents, incl water )
1881769;1545240616;mircea_popescu;if not 2016, yo ucan generally skip one.
1881770;1545240653;mircea_popescu;(i suspecvt 2016 on the basis of "most recent", otherwise "it's 2017 tax return", "its last year's tax return" etc.)
1881771;1545240723;mircea_popescu;ie, rather than your interpretation above, i see it as a "in 2016, trump won election, 5979th item on his agenda was how apparently state of new york decided to "investigate" some foundation. he shook his hand and moved on, two years later the morons finally got something to flash in media, and precisely nothing else, even locating where the chairs are anymore is impossible)
1881772;1545240776;mircea_popescu;i expect there's in excess of a million "dormant", ie, entirely abandoned such legal entities in the state of new york. i further expect their paper assets exceed a billion.
1881773;1545240789;mircea_popescu;wanna go treasure hunting through the streets of brooklyn, looking for the missing billion ?
1881774;1545240795;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: so hypothesis then is that it was ablative coating on rocket of actual trumpfoundation?
1881775;1545240800;asciilifeform;or that there aint an 'actual' ? which
1881776;1545240815;mircea_popescu;people with money make these ~regular basis. sorta how you buy sheets of paper.
1881777;1545240822;mircea_popescu;"maybe, one day, want to write on".
1881778;1545240841;asciilifeform;i.e. 'so they stole empty suitcase, whatevers' ?
1881779;1545240848;mircea_popescu;sometimes, you open a drawer and dscover rats ate some paper. not commonly at your residence, but you're only one and there's many residences. and warehouses. and so on.
1881780;1545240889;*;asciilifeform actually has enuff places with doors that this has happened.
1881781;1545240901;mircea_popescu;yes, that's my reading. "a suitcase claimed to have carried trump's clothes at so point no closer than two years ago, having been encountered by a hobolice officer, was now officially transferred into state coffers".
1881782;1545240967;mircea_popescu;"the price on 5th avenue of such a suitcase (or a similar one, as close as could be found) new is a little more than 1.7 dubaloos. thereforee..."
1881783;1545240967;asciilifeform;make sense.
1881784;1545240979;asciilifeform;i can't picture a 'full suitcase' of d00d's, containing small change.
1881785;1545240995;mircea_popescu;well, he's regularly bankrupt. maybe he dun it again.
1881786;1545241006;mircea_popescu;nfi, i don't watch this so closely. but on the strength of data presented...
1881787;1545241019;mircea_popescu;didn't he own a tower in buenos aires and shit like that ? wtf million.
1881788;1545241025;mircea_popescu;he can make more selling the copper wiring.
1881789;1545241055;asciilifeform;for all i know, he owns 11 towers and owes 9000.
1881790;1545241071;BingoBoingo;He recently put up a tower in Punta Del Este
1881791;1545241074;mircea_popescu;hey, he publishes as much data as usg.
1881792;1545241085;mircea_popescu;which also, owns 11 littoral combat ships, owes > 9000
1881793;1545241129;asciilifeform;diff is that when trump dies, clitler will collect the 11. whereas usg's 9000 owed needs martians to land to collect.
1881794;1545241154;mircea_popescu;haha, forget about it. clinton's career is deader than disco. she's gone to join her paramour, condolezza rice.
1881795;1545241170;asciilifeform;lol the broader clitler, not the spent muppet
1881796;1545241174;mircea_popescu;except she was a pretty smart white girl, rather than an ugly stupid black girl.
1881797;1545241183;mircea_popescu;but, in this world, one generally gets what one wants.
1881798;1545241195;asciilifeform;( tho supposedly the muppet is in the shop gettin' tyre patches, and will be re-used somehow in next cycle )
1881799;1545241200;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> ie, do they object money was flowing into trump or that it was flowing out of trump ? << US folks set these things up and set the to keep warm. If the kids don't fuck him at the end of life thing gets filled and kid gets to draw a salary and "philanderanthropist" job title on their CV
1881800;1545241211;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you mean "the broader clitler" as in literal cockroaches and assorted vermin ?
1881801;1545241217;asciilifeform;aha
1881802;1545241248;mircea_popescu;yes well. if actuarial science teaches anyhing, it's that it is likely the dullest son who inherits.
1881803;1545241256;mircea_popescu;kinda why inheritance is such a suspect device in the first place.
1881804;1545241272;asciilifeform;it's sorta like those old women with 100 cats, you can already tell that the beasts are foretasting what her face will taste like
1881805;1545241280;mircea_popescu;heh
1881806;1545241300;asciilifeform;( it is apparently known that cats eat face 1st. why, i do not know )
1881807;1545241381;asciilifeform;wb Mocky
1881808;1545241442;Mocky;thx asciilifeform
1881809;1545241451;diana_coman;wb Mocky!
1881810;1545241459;mircea_popescu;Mocky did yo uget butthurt at something she said that i've not got to read eyt ?
1881811;1545241474;Mocky;lol no
1881812;1545241489;mircea_popescu;aok.
1881813;1545241507;Mocky;just read the summary, got a chuckle. 'tis tru!
1881814;1545241513;diana_coman;cool then!
1881815;1545241522;mircea_popescu;honestly i don't think we have nearly enough drama. a serious project would have more drama.
1881816;1545241563;Mocky;fuck you mircea_popescu !
1881817;1545241587;mircea_popescu;eh, get a passport first.
1881818;1545241604;Mocky;that's all i got
1881819;1545241621;mircea_popescu;lmao
1881820;1545241635;mircea_popescu;you mean, "all i got -- is a passport" or you mean "all i got -- is fuck you mp!" ?
1881821;1545241643;mircea_popescu;BECAUSE IT COULD BE EITHER WAY
1881822;1545241660;Mocky;comfort with ambiguity
1881823;1545241746;Mocky;i have an interview over video momentarily
1881824;1545241746;mircea_popescu;diana_coman http://ossasepia.com/2018/12/19/a-week-in-tmsr-26-november-2-december-2018/#selection-105.764-105.817 << actually, a major bomb was dropped there, wherein long standing trb-immunity was revoked.
1881825;1545241755;mircea_popescu;got asciilifeform all sorts of salivating.
1881826;1545241772;asciilifeform;eh would've 'salivated' in 2016
1881827;1545241776;asciilifeform;today 'hrm, moar work...'
1881828;1545241782;mircea_popescu;lol.
1881829;1545241788;mircea_popescu;which probably explains why wasn't in 2016.
1881830;1545241789;asciilifeform;it's troo
1881831;1545242095;mircea_popescu;meanwhile i give you "the concept of bdsm" : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/pK5Ax/?raw=true
1881832;1545242124;mircea_popescu;pro tip : this thing exists specifically as an umbrela term of irreducible reality. it was made as such and deliberately, by people from the 70s.
1881833;1545242143;mircea_popescu;now these fucktards go about with a unified view of "the thing specifically declared as unifiable".
1881834;1545242186;mircea_popescu;if there's anything in the world more insulting than the passage of time i can scarcely imagine what the fuck it'd be. but i suspect i know how moses feels every time danielpbarron quotes the bible : exactly how i feel every time one of these inconsequential schmucklettes discuss "the concept of bdsm".
1881835;1545242213;mircea_popescu;"religious" folk are ~really fucking lucky~ no gods exist.
1881836;1545242314;mircea_popescu;un-unifiable*
1881837;1545242597;mircea_popescu;"Mircea Popescu validates Mocky's feelings on this matter. " ahahahah
1881838;1545243455;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://ossasepia.com/2018/12/19/a-week-in-tmsr-26-november-2-december-2018/comment-page-1/#comment-4615 << 2nd part prolly of interest.
1881839;1545243484;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not visible yet ?
1881840;1545243491;mircea_popescu;no ?!
1881841;1545243510;mircea_popescu;i see it ; buyt possibly went to modqueue because linked ave's thing
1881842;1545243512;diana_coman;try it now asciilifeform
1881843;1545243524;asciilifeform;now yes
1881844;1545243536;diana_coman;and yes, it was in modqueue because of link
1881845;1545243563;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: yea iirc i did say 'cannot resolve w/out timemachine' heh
1881846;1545243665;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: puzzlers like those, make e.g. bolix look trivial ( consider, bolix physically exists and is sitting in asciilifeform's tortureroom , whereas beria et al's docs were afaik carefully burned )
1881847;1545243762;asciilifeform;while on subj of bolix : no reply so far to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881357 , it loox like they will have to be reversed the hard,long,painful way
1881848;1545243762;a111;Logged on 2018-12-18 13:14 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881345 << already replied that he got'em on paper, but in treasure chest on wrong coast ( he moved to west. ) i answered with offer to pay his flight to get'em plus what to make it worth his while. no answ to this just yet.
1881849;1545243820;asciilifeform;and i have nfi currently how to even approach the antifuse 'actel a1010a', antifuses aint even visible under electron micro. prolly will have to be inferred logically.
1881850;1545243909;asciilifeform;( by all indications , that thing substituted for the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-28#1875841 item on earlier 'ivories' )
1881851;1545243909;a111;Logged on 2018-11-28 19:44 asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf turns out i was wrong re the rom, the rom-shaped object is actually a 1980s 'programmable event timer' thingie, am2971adc
1881852;1545243977;asciilifeform;re dks, it wouldn't strongly surprise asciilifeform to learn that d00d finally read the l0gz, and got wind of what asciilifeform wants the PALs for, and now 'silent like partizan'
1881853;1545243996;asciilifeform;phf i'm pretty curious how you got the fella to spill.
1881854;1545244031;asciilifeform;it clearly aint purely about spending dough at his little shop of horrors, i spent to date north of 10k orcbux, if added up
1881855;1545244152;asciilifeform;some of the PALs can prolly also be inferred logically, half of'em are clearly address decoders for the ram
1881856;1545244379;asciilifeform;aaand i'm still quite curious what the answer to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881616 !
1881857;1545244379;a111;Logged on 2018-12-18 22:40 asciilifeform: phf srsly what gives ? wai not just post the uncensored dump. dks certainly aint coming to moscow to shit in your air conditioner.
1881858;1545245613;asciilifeform;in other archaeologies, https://archive.is/vOHNY#selection-305.153-305.267 suggests that stock bolix PALs are readable.
1881859;1545245678;*;asciilifeform not tried yet, has chinese PAL burner but not yet tested with parts of the specific types found in the box, and has sent for typical period PALs from chinese, will 1st test with ~these~ prior to pulling the precious unobtainium
1881860;1545245720;asciilifeform;if they turn out to be readable, i'ma simply copy'em all and emplace the copies instead of the orig, which are already approaching their rated theoretical life.
1881861;1545245972;mircea_popescu;i suspect "we can fix your pals" would be mega business. if, of course, bolix prices weren't utter bs, and if, of course, anyone wanted them ~for an actual purpose~. neither of which...
1881862;1545245987;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: believe or not, the arcade machine people .
1881863;1545246001;asciilifeform;they do this biz.
1881864;1545246005;mircea_popescu;a right.
1881865;1545246014;asciilifeform;but they won't touch 'stateful' PALs, ordinary bruteforce dunwork on these.
1881866;1545246024;mircea_popescu;sspeaking of which -- i wanted to play pinball. girls went all over town. no pinball machine exists in a costa rican arcade.
1881867;1545246048;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: actual mechanical pinballtrons are rare nao, the last maker closed doors ~decade ago iirc
1881868;1545246085;mircea_popescu;yeah well.
1881869;1545246099;mircea_popescu;unactual, i have no use for tards, can use my box.
1881870;1545246118;asciilifeform;lol you bought a pinball ?!
1881871;1545246148;mircea_popescu;no shortage of emulators. if you're gonna emulate, ima emulate atop my computer not atop some idiot's alarm clock
1881872;1545246155;asciilifeform;aa aaaa
1881873;1545246160;asciilifeform;yea
1881874;1545246186;asciilifeform;there aren't, afaik, that many folx who go to arcades nao, other than from nostalgia for childhood
1881875;1545246203;asciilifeform;i knew fella who actually bought vintage machines, installed in own house.
1881876;1545246262;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1881877;1545246288;mircea_popescu;not even specific nostalgia. people go to museums not strictly because "oh, i recall my childhood of bering spartan!!!"
1881878;1545246294;asciilifeform;lol
1881879;1545246297;mircea_popescu;but the 3k year old crypto is still interesting
1881880;1545246322;mircea_popescu;there's a certain carnality of existence. unlike the ghoistly quality of emulation, imagination, etc.
1881881;1545246334;asciilifeform;the u.s. airplane museum actually has a nifty arcade, with the type of flight sim where one straps in and physically turns upside-down, etc
1881882;1545246347;asciilifeform;~fiddybux/fivemin tho
1881883;1545246355;asciilifeform;( and even despite this, queue for hours )
1881884;1545246364;mircea_popescu;i suppose older writers told it in terms of "the shame", "l'embarass". obects that exist have to populate the whole array ; whereas objects that do not exist get away with natural-language sparse existence
1881885;1545246387;mircea_popescu;whether the "spurious" set bits are shameful or on the contrary, soothing, depends i suppose on the mental age of the observer.
1881886;1545246395;mircea_popescu;people born in prehistory don't have access to the future.
1881887;1545246559;asciilifeform;re 'carnality of non-emulated', dark seekrit re http://www.loper-os.org/?p=51 -- asciilifeform , turned out, did not actually like the classic bolix kbd/mouse. in particular it was made before arrow keys invented...
1881888;1545246646;asciilifeform;( the crt, strangely, was great, and peculiarly un-1980s-flavoured, despite 'soviet' appearance when switched off -- http://www.loper-os.org/?p=52 << they had the glass custom-blown and thing actually displayed razor-sharp 1024x768
1881889;1545246648;asciilifeform; )
1881890;1545246703;asciilifeform;weighed ~40kg tho, and fragile as hell, kinda glad to be rid of it and that current box outputs vga
1881891;1545247136;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881853 << i was the only person who showed up to do dull, manual job, when there was a need for it. i can't leak it because i promised not to. there will be no consequences for me, but i made a promise to multiple people, for whom there might be consequences, and it's not my place to evaluate whether that's true or not. that said that doesn't mean that i can't use knowledge this way acquired to help
1881892;1545247136;a111;Logged on 2018-12-19 18:26 asciilifeform: phf i'm pretty curious how you got the fella to spill.
1881893;1545247136;phf;you. you'll just have to trust me that i'm not intentionally hiding things from you, but making honest effort to see what relevant bits are available.
1881894;1545247181;asciilifeform;phf: so what was it, you promised 'i'ma only leak the bits re ivory' ?
1881895;1545247250;phf;asciilifeform: no, none of the documents i have can end up on the internet in their current form
1881896;1545247252;mircea_popescu;o.O
1881897;1545247272;mircea_popescu;phf this is the republic not the guardian ; there's no yellow dots.
1881898;1545247296;asciilifeform;phf: also feel free to pgp to asciilifeform , i dun even mind to promise that strictly the clone will end up on the net.
1881899;1545247310;phf;mircea_popescu: what do you mean?
1881900;1545247337;phf;oh oh english Guardian
1881901;1545247349;asciilifeform;phf: will be e.g. 'anonymous informant gave me pinout, and so here it is in .txt form..'
1881902;1545247354;mircea_popescu;phf the yellow dots is specifically a reference to http://qntra.net/2017/06/reality-winner-arrested-for-leaking-to-omidyar-and-greenwalds-fake-qntra/
1881903;1545247376;mircea_popescu;it can not be the case that you are the only one holding whatever useles, worthless moth ridden crapola.
1881904;1545247390;mircea_popescu;it therefore can not be the case that you can be uniquely identified as responsible for the leak.
1881905;1545247396;asciilifeform;^
1881906;1545247401;mircea_popescu;in short, you're doing a danielpbarron, and it's going to go exactly as well as his.
1881907;1545247452;mircea_popescu;you ~wanna~ stick with whatever "multiple people", please go right ahead, and right now.
1881908;1545247459;phf;i see
1881909;1545247461;mircea_popescu;i will replace whatever btcbase.
1881910;1545247474;mircea_popescu;i am however NOT dealing with people who have your sort of committment outlay.
1881911;1545247481;asciilifeform;кто не с нами тот против нас!
1881912;1545247497;phf;so i'm not trusted at all?
1881913;1545247510;mircea_popescu;you are trusted for as long as you behave in the trustworthy manner.
1881914;1545247524;mircea_popescu;when you say "x > republic", you forfeit whatever trust you might have had.
1881915;1545247527;asciilifeform;phf: i'd much rather do this wurk ~with~ phf, than without. could make coupla yrs of diff. but gotta understand what 'with' constitutes.
1881916;1545247560;mircea_popescu;it makes exactly zero difference what peculiar form of "fatherinlaw/god/whatever" the x takes.
1881917;1545247578;asciilifeform;phf: if you have 'friend stuck behind nazi lines will lose head if it comes out that he gave me docs', there are ways to work around this.
1881918;1545247588;asciilifeform;which is what mircea_popescu was referring to re 'dots'.
1881919;1545247661;asciilifeform;it aint as if we were 1st set of folx in history to face this puzzler.
1881920;1545247705;asciilifeform;phf: iirc you 1st mentioned these goodies 1y + month ago...
1881921;1545247779;asciilifeform;i put in the table stakes, bought the box. nao logically 'hey l1 people, got anyffing i oughta know?'
1881922;1545247780;phf;my approach to this is to find compromise, i've volunteered all the information i've volunteered so far. i'm making a point that whatever asciilifeform might need for his work i can communicate to him. is this approach not acceptable? it seems that i'm just being pressured into dumping a dump of unknown quality and state, that might or might not help
1881923;1545247837;asciilifeform;phf: if dump weighs TB and (apparently) after whole year phf still not eaten it, might make sense to pgp to asciilifeform . i'ma not post the raw docs and their yellowdots.
1881924;1545247883;mircea_popescu;phf i expect the accumulated value of the whole pile of "secrets" is about 0. and i further expect the entire value of the whole bolix stack neatly approximates the value of my stock of pogos.
1881925;1545247883;phf;asciilifeform: there was no concrete goal until last week, when you decided to buy a macivory
1881926;1545247884;asciilifeform;and phf's friend радистка Кет can keep her head attached.
1881927;1545247904;mircea_popescu;the discussion here in no way revolves the value, extant imagined or presumed of some idiots caches.
1881928;1545247928;mircea_popescu;the discussion here revolves around your attempt to introduce some kind of superior consideration, and im telling you neatly that if you think in this way there is not now nor will ever be in the future a place for you here.
1881929;1545247929;phf;mircea_popescu: i made that point in logs multiple times, having had a chance to look at a variety "gold chests"
1881930;1545247941;mircea_popescu;and consequently, rather than discover this fundamental truth later, discover it now, and save your own time/
1881931;1545247955;asciilifeform;phf: even material that doesn't ~directly~ relate to subj, can be of use, e.g. what they burned PALs with, etc
1881932;1545248013;mircea_popescu;this is not some sort of passtime. hence http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-16#1881132
1881933;1545248013;a111;Logged on 2018-12-16 19:15 mircea_popescu: and more generally, if it's a "oh, #trilema is item #608 on my list of 1850 vaguely maybe interesting items i found on the internet, among which i read to pass the time waiting for the bus or w/e" sorta affair forget about it altogether, there's 0 interest in supporting that kinda imbecility/pluralism/skepticism.
1881934;1545248029;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: indeed dirt is just dirt, prior to excavating troy from it.
1881935;1545248062;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i am aware you think it valuable, and i have no problem with that, your business, how your lab works, enjoy.
1881936;1545248076;mircea_popescu;i don't happen to agree, is all, but this with no prejudice.
1881937;1545248115;phf;mircea_popescu: so the principle is that any obligation outside of the republic is not only invalid, but actually anti republic? there can be no compromise on this point.
1881938;1545248127;phf;the last sentence above is a question
1881939;1545248154;phf;also just to clarify the choice presented to me is either i'm leaking the dump, or i'm out?
1881940;1545248214;mircea_popescu;any obligation outside the republic is invalid ; any obligation that conflicts with republican work is anti-republic. this is some discovery ?
1881941;1545248247;mircea_popescu;the very substance of http://trilema.com/2015/heres-what-they-dont-tell-you-when-they-bring-you-those-papers-to-sign/ is ~specifically~ DO NOT MAKE saeculum promises, it will bar you from republican life.
1881942;1545248293;mircea_popescu;as it did bar that scmuck ; so will it bar all in the future.
1881943;1545248313;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: to expand on the 'why even do this' item, from asciilifeform's pov it's entirely a http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881419 case
1881944;1545248313;a111;Logged on 2018-12-18 15:12 mircea_popescu: to write about divinity interestingly, one needs to be aware of a ~shitload~ more stuff than is available at oklahoma public library, is the thing.
1881945;1545248323;mircea_popescu;sure.
1881946;1545248354;asciilifeform;( and 99% of the case, is proving the case, ergo why i did not try an' ask mircea_popescu to buy box, cut it himself, etc )
1881947;1545248504;asciilifeform;phf: we currently have FG not the least bit because in '16, mircea_popescu said to asciilifeform 'you are wasting my time, where is product' so asciilifeform took little vacation and , magic!, there it was. i dun regret this. consider maybe also vacation ?
1881948;1545248576;asciilifeform;and i dun hold it against mircea_popescu , then or nao, it's a talent, this , holding folx to account re their 'i'ma X'.
1881949;1545248747;asciilifeform;phf: note that you aren't being asked to send yer source to guillotine.
1881950;1545248780;phf;asciilifeform: well not literally, but in this case the source will be trivially identifiable
1881951;1545248786;asciilifeform;how??
1881952;1545248808;phf;well, because i did all the manual work to scan the physical papers, there's litereally three people who have this dump
1881953;1545248833;asciilifeform;for all anybody knows, i caught mallery and connected him to 220v and he spat it out
1881954;1545248907;asciilifeform;or reti, or 1 of the tape hoarder idjits.
1881955;1545248964;asciilifeform;think.
1881956;1545249004;phf;i don't know how you missed my previous sentence, none of these people have "the dump", because there's no dump outside of the work i did.
1881957;1545249020;asciilifeform;phf: i dun need to post 'the dump' with the bloody yellow dots.
1881958;1545249063;asciilifeform;errything i need is theoretically already in that beige box on the dissection table. if i get same thing from 'anon informant', will make affair go faster, to same output.
1881959;1545249080;asciilifeform;phf won't even be the 1st or only informant.
1881960;1545249117;asciilifeform;( there was another fella in the l0gz, for instance, not long ago, who sent in patches )
1881961;1545249269;asciilifeform;phf: i for one have nfi how being in the position of schneier, sitting on the snowden stash, dun bother you any
1881962;1545249310;asciilifeform;for what didja even scan the docs , if 'can never use this for anything' ?
1881963;1545249317;phf;i took saeculum promises specifically to assist with republican work.  i think that dumping this dump as is is short sighted, because the dump by weight is garbage, and will trivially identify all involved.  i want to at least evaluate what's in it that can be of assistance to asciilifeform, an identification that became necessary only a week ago.
1881964;1545249332;asciilifeform;phf: i aint proposing to put the thing on ftp as-is.
1881965;1545249368;asciilifeform;phf: and wasn't 'week ago', but year + 3mo ago, when i took delivery of the 2 raw ivories.
1881966;1545249386;asciilifeform;they've been sitting in their crate to no useful end.
1881967;1545249532;asciilifeform;i do not know if phf's treasure chest could've spared me sending for the whole box, but it's conceivable
1881968;1545249534;phf;asciilifeform: when i communicated with you, in private, about the dump in the past, your response was essentially "i'm not making any promises, i'm going to dump the whole thing on the internet", i've attempted to communicate to you that further value can be extracted from that relationship, if you're patient. your reaction to that was to start talking about whisperers etc. and then you come back with "i wonder how you got your hands
1881969;1545249534;phf;on it?" is this not fucking contradictory. and now i'm basically in a position, where from your demands and impatience i'm presented with a choice "either do this or you're out"
1881970;1545249593;asciilifeform;phf: i aint in particular hurry ( possibly unlike mircea_popescu , who wants to emphasize the imho important larger point ). i won't even have time to properly touch the thing until finished ffa. but plz consider what i suggested today.
1881971;1545249603;mircea_popescu;im in no hurry either.
1881972;1545249644;asciilifeform;if phf asks 'ok, but dun post the yellowdotted jpegs' i won't
1881973;1545249644;mircea_popescu;i don't even care, past the (i'd have thought obvious) point whereby specific lines of argument simply can't be brought.
1881974;1545249699;phf;asciilifeform: i don't know what you're proposing, because you haven't proposed anything. i've proposed that i go through the dump, find all the relevant bits to your project, and communicate them to you. this is apparently unacceptable
1881975;1545249709;asciilifeform;i proposed gpg of raw material to asciilifeform .
1881976;1545249723;asciilifeform;who will quickly find what, if any, of it relates to the specific q's asciilifeform is trying to answer.
1881977;1545249742;*;asciilifeform can and has gone through 10,000 pgs of crapola in 1 weekend in the past.
1881978;1545249780;asciilifeform;i'm at the point in the affair where i got specific physical q's , the answers to which will enable nondestructive probing of the handful of samples i got.
1881979;1545249862;asciilifeform;nao, if phf thinks that asciilifeform cracking the case ~at all~ will 'unmask' phf's informant, this is a problem. chiefly for phf's informant, because i ~will~ rape bolix, whether anyone helps or not
1881980;1545249881;asciilifeform;if not next year, then after.
1881981;1545249995;phf;asciilifeform: there's this general position that what you're doing, you're doing to get yoursefl a running bolix clone, where's i'm just fucking around, which is bullshit. i'm doing the same thing, towards the same goals. it's not presently clear who's more successful. you basically want me to unilaterally fuck up my entire operation, because ~last week~ you bought a macivory.
1881982;1545250040;asciilifeform;last yr. bought -- 2. nao makes for 3.
1881983;1545250083;mircea_popescu;well so what, you must proceed in parallel cuz gods willed it ?
1881984;1545250084;asciilifeform;phf: what part of your effort is public ? ( or would publishing 'fuck up operation', lol )
1881985;1545250101;asciilifeform;consider how many folx previously went like phf, 'i'ma do it under me pillow lest it fuck up operation'
1881986;1545250104;asciilifeform;how much this summed to ?
1881987;1545250134;phf;asciilifeform: last year i made a bunch of scans, that were almost entirely duds, you were as insistent on a release as you are now. this would've prevented this year's scans, that are potentially more relevant to your work.
1881988;1545250152;phf;you're constantly in logs, confused as to how anyone can get anything from anyone, yet now you're questioning my methods.
1881989;1545250166;asciilifeform;phf: can haz hard bound for when i see anyffing ? cuz it was 'next weekend' 1yr+ ago.
1881990;1545250190;asciilifeform;and i'd like to answer the larger q of whether phf even wants to see asciilifeform's thrust succeed.
1881991;1545250200;asciilifeform;cuz from earlier line i am forming the impression that not
1881992;1545250205;asciilifeform;that it'd 'fuck up my operation'
1881993;1545250231;phf;asciilifeform: for fucks sake, this whole argument started with me basically going "i'm going to go over all that i have and find bits that are relevant to your current work"
1881994;1545250250;asciilifeform;phf: why do you think that any of it is entirely irrelevant ?
1881995;1545250267;asciilifeform;for all you know, some rubbish dks scribbled on a napkin in 1991 is the key.
1881996;1545250307;phf;asciilifeform: because presumably we both can discriminate things, otherwise what is the point of my lordship?
1881997;1545250329;asciilifeform;phf: sure. but appreciate asciilifeform's position. asciilifeform was expecting to see dirt yr+ ago.
1881998;1545250352;asciilifeform;consider, what, next december we have same convo ?
1881999;1545250355;phf;asciilifeform: you're reading selectively. _i_ was expecting to see dirt yr+ ago, there was none. it was totally a waste of work
1882000;1545250367;asciilifeform;really waste ?
1882001;1545250391;asciilifeform;plox to expand ?
1882002;1545250442;asciilifeform;i dun have anyffing against phf , as such. i even forgave him the ~year of life i burned on cutting 'snap4' apart in 'ida' while phf knew where the sores was.
1882003;1545250458;asciilifeform;but i'd like to see some of the promised dirt..
1882004;1545250471;phf;asciilifeform: ok, you can't possibly fucking hold this against me. that was your private project, that you never communicated in the logs.
1882005;1545250477;asciilifeform;sure did.
1882006;1545250496;asciilifeform;we could have that thread again, and it will contain same pointers. but why waste space.
1882007;1545250627;phf;as far as snap you've jumped to conclusions from an offhand remark, and you're holding on to it for dear life, like with everything else in this conversation.
1882008;1545250658;asciilifeform;phf: try to picture yerself in that position.
1882009;1545250666;phf;i don't know when i've learned about the source, it's on public github, i don't know if i've even seen you mention your snap4 work, or at which point i've forgotten it.
1882010;1545250692;asciilifeform;e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-01#539589
1882011;1545250692;a111;Logged on 2014-03-01 03:56 asciilifeform: ;;google snap4 symbolics
1882012;1545250795;asciilifeform;and e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-08#1623406 . but why replay.
1882013;1545250795;a111;Logged on 2017-03-08 23:26 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i did describe earlier, having concluded a few yrs ago that it is cheaper, easier, moar pleasant, to cut appart 'snap4' emulator (i have a pc build here ~with debug symbols~, comes apart in ida nicely) than to suffer with nitric acid and electron microscope
1882014;1545250890;asciilifeform;phf: thus far i cannot comment on your methods, given that they do not apparently include publishing anyffing bolix-related openly.
1882015;1545250953;asciilifeform;but you know ~my~ methods.
1882016;1545250966;phf;asciilifeform: i actually remember that one, but you'll have to trust me that my assumption on reading this was that you had debugging scaffolding in order to observe its operation, because reading layers of bolix<-alpha<-x86 code is not particularly enlightening. you've since acquired the source and clearly opted for electron microscope route.
1882017;1545250996;asciilifeform;observe that http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824987 didn't yield, but asciilifeform did eventually pop the thing.
1882018;1545250996;a111;Logged on 2018-06-13 16:48 phf: well, if we don't, i'll see if i can get an unlock through corporate channels, and just use it as a one off machine
1882019;1545251006;asciilifeform;with ordinary sweat, no backroom deals.
1882020;1545251024;asciilifeform;( not that it did much good, but there it is on the shelf, popped... )
1882021;1545251055;asciilifeform;phf: i'ma defo refer to the emulator when baking fpga clone, it has plenty of useful info re the instruction set
1882022;1545251068;asciilifeform;just not quite enuff to run the orig soft stably.
1882023;1545251081;asciilifeform;( i.e. to bake a cycle-accurate copy of e.g. 'xl' )
1882024;1545251086;phf;in order to run orig soft stably you need the os source code
1882025;1545251093;asciilifeform;why ?
1882026;1545251097;asciilifeform;why not the bins ?
1882027;1545251107;phf;because you're going to run into timing issues as soon as you speed it up anywhere past xl speeds
1882028;1545251113;asciilifeform;i dun have src of 'mario', yet still runs 100% in nintendo emu
1882029;1545251123;phf;you can now run your emulator "stably" by simply downclocking it to xl speeds
1882030;1545251126;asciilifeform;who said i even want to speed it up.
1882031;1545251146;asciilifeform;phf: i was under impression that there were missing instructions
1882032;1545251156;asciilifeform;that occur in some of the soft (e.g. 'ns' )
1882033;1545251235;phf;i've spent significant amount of time in the snap4 also, looking particularly at the ns bug, i've played with the relevant instruction. it's not missing, it's apparently not buggy either, there's nothing to publish. throttling the emu seems to eliminate it though
1882034;1545251252;asciilifeform;phf: i'm inclined to believe
1882035;1545251271;asciilifeform;what then should i understand as the 'operation' phf fears 'fuck up' by giving up docs ?
1882036;1545251377;asciilifeform;i'm even inclined to believe when phf says 'i'm gathering intel, from skittish source'. but there comes a time to act on the intel.
1882037;1545251382;asciilifeform;there's 0 point gathering if never act.
1882038;1545251512;phf;there's no "docs", it's not some kind of mother lode of all things bolix. fwiw i went into as excited and with the same expectations you're imagining right now. there was a set of printed papers that primarily existed in pre-ivory days. they are mostly related to e.g. mechanical layout of the boards (the bulk of stuff was e.g. machining parameters of motherboards and cases, something i didn't even touch)
1882039;1545251563;phf;that was last year's loot: junk upon inspection
1882040;1545251566;asciilifeform;for all you know, the thing is built such that if i make clone 1mm shorter, capacitance changes and it dungo. my board actually has 'blue wires' ! and caps soldered by hand straddling ~two~ socketed PALs, and other wonders.
1882041;1545251582;phf;_3600_ _pre-ivory days_
1882042;1545251607;asciilifeform;granted i dun need 36xx crapola for anyffin. but is it all clearly labeled as such ?
1882043;1545251609;phf;how much of this is genuine interest to replicate the damn thing and how much of this is just a blind "i want, now now now"?
1882044;1545251632;asciilifeform;phf: relax, i aint in hurry. but i'd ~really~ like not to have to have same thead yr from nao.
1882045;1545251644;phf;asciilifeform: yes. it is clearly labeled as such.
1882046;1545251656;asciilifeform;can haz errything ~not~ thusly labeled then ?
1882047;1545251692;asciilifeform;by phf's earlier admission, 99+% of the stash is 36xxism. then can haz the remaining page ?
1882048;1545251704;phf;asciilifeform: that is where we fucking started.
1882049;1545251731;asciilifeform;started. in oct. 2017 .
1882050;1545251779;phf;asciilifeform: well, what's the point of me saying things and then you still stick to your original conceptions?
1882051;1545251783;asciilifeform;plox can haz conclusion to this, e.g. after the last line of http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2735 ?
1882052;1545251810;asciilifeform;phf: what am i missing ?
1882053;1545251915;asciilifeform;phf: i aint even asking 'gimme nao', but why not pick a date .
1882054;1545251970;asciilifeform;i won't even touch it 'now' even if given, have full hands tryin' (and not with 100% success) to stick to ~own~ 'pick date'
1882055;1545252169;mircea_popescu;well, i re-read this, lessee.
1882056;1545252188;asciilifeform;i aint a hotheaded fella, have patience. picture how e.g. mircea_popescu would react, if somebody promised him item 'next weekend' and then for 13 consecutive months 'next weekend' with no intermediate debug output.
1882057;1545252220;asciilifeform;( how many keyboards would he break, on how many heads ? )
1882058;1545252255;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881922 << i suspect the approach is particularly chaffind to asciilifeform because childhood trauma, "older brother keeping the good chocolate to eat with his gf". but this aside, it is problematic because it very much smacks of usg-style "here's the conclusions of some measurements we're not publishing".
1882059;1545252255;a111;Logged on 2018-12-19 19:29 phf: my approach to this is to find compromise, i've volunteered all the information i've volunteered so far. i'm making a point that whatever asciilifeform might need for his work i can communicate to him. is this approach not acceptable? it seems that i'm just being pressured into dumping a dump of unknown quality and state, that might or might not help
1882060;1545252257;phf;asciilifeform: if i followed your lead on this subject i would've had nothing. for all i know right now i still have nothing. i don't understand how you can't seem to connect that the answer to "how did you do it??" is in what i'm doing. if i'm not giving you anything, it's because i don't have it, or i don't know if i have it, which is something for me to evaluate.
1882061;1545252299;mircea_popescu;there's a long history of "fuckers, phuctor" specifically driven by this behaviour, so no, it's not liable to be popular in general.
1882062;1545252325;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: recall your 'how to piss me the fuck off' piece ? this is sorta the beginning and end of asciilifeform's version, were it to be written.
1882063;1545252328;mircea_popescu;chaffing*
1882064;1545252339;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i kinda noticed as much.
1882065;1545252367;asciilifeform;phuctor was specifically conceived as a spiked, electrified cock to be driven deep into the arses of the 'we measured, won't say' people, whatever their nominal flag
1882066;1545252421;asciilifeform;and even worked, after a fashion, long catalogue of squirming seekretards
1882067;1545252447;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: tho ftr brother faithfully shared with asciilifeform the rare chocolate.
1882068;1545252482;asciilifeform;asciilifeform's rage was built elsewhere, in yrs of actually working among usgtards.
1882069;1545252495;mircea_popescu;now, as to me personally, i find your behaviour deeply offensive for the following reason : i do not believe you speak accidentally, you're much too meticulous and lengthily silent for that. the only reconstruction of today's discussion that stands my read is, "well, at first he tried line x, see if they're morons enoujgh to buy it ; that failed, regroupped to line y".
1882070;1545252525;asciilifeform;this in re asciilifeform's pov or phf
1882071;1545252527;asciilifeform;?
1882072;1545252528;mircea_popescu;what, if i hadn't said "you know, you can't propose whatever tards trump republican interest" that'd have ended up baked into precedent ? and what, i'm supposed to not notice this ? i notice.
1882073;1545252547;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i'm still discussing the line i quoted, i'm not yet at current log.
1882074;1545252552;asciilifeform;aa aaa
1882075;1545252597;mircea_popescu;ie, not only do i have no use for some guy who's gonna publish whatever his mom finds "appropriate" ; but on 2nd pass i have no use for some guy fluffyponying it along.
1882076;1545252666;phf;mircea_popescu: i act out of character once, and it's to my disadvantage. i got the original point, i didn't at any point expect that there's a way to avoid it.
1882077;1545252667;*;asciilifeform still hopes to see phf Do The Right Thing
1882078;1545252689;asciilifeform;( and imho it's quite obvious what The Right Thing is )
1882079;1545252731;asciilifeform;... and not because pressured, but because it's the motherfucking Right Thing and was clear all along.
1882080;1545252788;mircea_popescu;right. anyways, carrying on : http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881922 << in the practical terms of doing things, the problem of unknowns stands that the man with a need and no chest doesn't know what to ask from the chest and the man with the ches and no need doesn't know what to send him.
1882081;1545252788;a111;Logged on 2018-12-19 19:29 phf: my approach to this is to find compromise, i've volunteered all the information i've volunteered so far. i'm making a point that whatever asciilifeform might need for his work i can communicate to him. is this approach not acceptable? it seems that i'm just being pressured into dumping a dump of unknown quality and state, that might or might not help
1882082;1545252817;mircea_popescu;there's no direct way to resolve this in the shot-over-bow manner, and you two have the disadvantage that being very unlike personalities with very unlike personal histories, you apparently get on each other's nerves.
1882083;1545252888;*;asciilifeform suspects that if this weren't the case, i'd be posting from a 32GB bolix already
1882084;1545252929;phf;asciilifeform: you suspect wrongly, but you won't take my word for it either.
1882085;1545252969;asciilifeform;phf: if i'm wrong, i'd very much like the hypothesis 'but if only phf had brought the goods' not to lay on the table re why wrong.
1882086;1545253056;phf;asciilifeform: hence i said "but you won't take my word for it" yeah?
1882087;1545253098;asciilifeform;phf: i dun like to take word for it, no.
1882088;1545253154;asciilifeform;phf: observe, asciilifeform's approach to breaking 'seekrets' is not entirely ineffective. and yes it is 'unfriendly', in particular to folx keeping the seekritz. which by extension is ~anyone~ who knows and aint saying.
1882089;1545253250;asciilifeform;and especially , deliberately unfriendly to whoever profits from the seekrederpery. in fact, i will know when my reversing has succeeded when a bolix collector somewhere at last eats his pistol because his $100k stash of irons is now worth == 8bit nintendo.
1882090;1545253283;asciilifeform;until ~then~ i will be left to wonder whether actually achieved anyffing, even if working cycle-accurate clone with somehow full src.
1882091;1545253317;phf;asciilifeform: i have no issues with unfriendliness of your approach or it's secret busting nature. i'm trying different approach, and so far our success is identical in that it's 0. we're at a point where our mutual approaches can benefit, yet you deny me mine, periodically insulting it in creative ways.
1882092;1545253343;asciilifeform;phf: i'm willing to believe that you have > 0 , even. but how about some output , pleez ?
1882093;1545253377;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881963 << the question here being, what exact assistence is this to be then ?
1882094;1545253377;a111;Logged on 2018-12-19 19:55 phf: i took saeculum promises specifically to assist with republican work.  i think that dumping this dump as is is short sighted, because the dump by weight is garbage, and will trivially identify all involved.  i want to at least evaluate what's in it that can be of assistance to asciilifeform, an identification that became necessary only a week ago.
1882095;1545253379;phf;asciilifeform: wait, what? i said that _our_ approaches _both_ are _0_.
1882096;1545253394;asciilifeform;phf: i'm taking on faith, that you have an intel lead hangin' somewhere
1882097;1545253398;asciilifeform;currently i do not
1882098;1545253402;asciilifeform;( aside from possibly phf )
1882099;1545253411;asciilifeform;that's sumthing. if indeed it's there.
1882100;1545253430;asciilifeform;i also dun have a treasure chest.
1882101;1545253435;asciilifeform;( all i got is some iron )
1882102;1545253448;mircea_popescu;in other trivia, i give you 70s hair! https://d1yokj200xz0mr.cloudfront.net/gfx/news/strelky.jpg
1882103;1545253455;asciilifeform;and i have ~decade of eating erry scrap of docs that ever came to the surface.
1882104;1545253462;asciilifeform;for what little that's worth.
1882105;1545253479;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: notbad.jpg
1882106;1545253628;asciilifeform;phf: i regret to insult phf . but try to appreciate asciilifeform's position: dug in the dirt since '07 and the only clues dug up were with not only no help from anyone, but in spite of vigorous stonewalling from entire 'komyooniti'
1882107;1545253662;asciilifeform;i've actually gotten moar troof from ex-nsa people re nsa diddles, than from bolixologists !
1882108;1545253675;asciilifeform;silent, these lot, like partizans.
1882109;1545253699;mircea_popescu;and now im in the unenviable position of thinking about nonsense. look here asciilifeform : the man says http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881968 and what am i to do ? remember that you're one of the principal idiots who decided to run their pizarro process throgh a encryptospitball, and before that you came up with the brilliancy that was "secret clauses" in pizarro nearly got ben_vulpes beheaded.
1882110;1545253699;a111;Logged on 2018-12-19 19:58 phf: asciilifeform: when i communicated with you, in private, about the dump in the past, your response was essentially "i'm not making any promises, i'm going to dump the whole thing on the internet", i've attempted to communicate to you that further value can be extracted from that relationship, if you're patient. your reaction to that was to start talking about whisperers etc. and then you come back with "i wonder how you got your hands
1882111;1545253707;mircea_popescu;your management of private communication is ~appaling~.
1882112;1545253735;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: didja ever put yer lunch inside a safe ?
1882113;1545253741;mircea_popescu;nope.
1882114;1545253743;asciilifeform;cuz that's where empty space was.
1882115;1545253744;asciilifeform;not once ?
1882116;1545253750;mircea_popescu;hasn't occured.
1882117;1545253755;*;asciilifeform takes off hat.
1882118;1545253782;mircea_popescu;did you ever own a safe ?
1882119;1545253785;asciilifeform;sure.
1882120;1545253792;mircea_popescu;you understand what a bitch it is to clean ?
1882121;1545253799;asciilifeform;quite a bitch
1882122;1545253799;mircea_popescu;i dunno anyone puts food in one sober.
1882123;1545253804;asciilifeform;who said sober, lol
1882124;1545253813;mircea_popescu;yes well i don't get drunk among open safes.
1882125;1545253823;asciilifeform;better man than i.
1882126;1545253908;mircea_popescu;so now. is the case as you publicly present it, "phf has been not helping for year +" or is the case as he publicly presents it, "i tried to help a year ago but granularity didn't match and then he went on a campaign of fuming about whisperers ''in general'' transparently in reference to the particuylar case and i was stuck sitting and listening to it."
1882127;1545253949;asciilifeform;'for year +' entirely aside, imho i've said enuff re subj to resolve any possible ambiguity re where stands currently.
1882128;1545253956;asciilifeform;so will be clear from what phf's next move.
1882129;1545253999;mircea_popescu;maybe you did, but as a factual matter it's not clear to me.
1882130;1545253999;asciilifeform;i dun expect to make any substantial movements on bolix front till march, at earliest .
1882131;1545254057;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: to summarize : if phf decides to Do Right Thing and gpg to asciilifeform the goods, then i'ma eat'em and whatever public output will not reveal his informant.
1882132;1545254065;mircea_popescu;my question was as to the past.
1882133;1545254082;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: apparently i have magical ability to say 9000 times something and not be understood
1882134;1545254089;asciilifeform;as evident from interaction w/ phf for past 13mo
1882135;1545254127;mircea_popescu;well, so in simple terms, is 'your response was essentially "i'm not making any promises, i'm going to dump the whole thing on the internet"' a factual claim or isn't it ?
1882136;1545254141;asciilifeform;'hey phf, canhaz pinout nao ?' 'busy this weekend, how about next month' 'hey phf, been 6 weeks, i have to bother but canhaz pinout?' 'i'm moving flats, ask again in 2k' 'hey phf...'
1882137;1545254167;mircea_popescu;so it's not factual then ?
1882138;1545254185;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i did revise to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881923 neh.
1882139;1545254185;a111;Logged on 2018-12-19 19:30 asciilifeform: phf: if dump weighs TB and (apparently) after whole year phf still not eaten it, might make sense to pgp to asciilifeform . i'ma not post the raw docs and their yellowdots.
1882140;1545254199;asciilifeform;( cuz apparently it's heavy )
1882141;1545254229;asciilifeform;fwiw i have nfi what sorta danger could justify the 'yellowdots' phobia here, i'm stuck taking phf's word
1882142;1545254237;mircea_popescu;well yes, but that was today.
1882143;1545254250;asciilifeform;right. hence 'i have made position clear, let's count from today'
1882144;1545254268;asciilifeform;i dun begrudge the year, even. proj moves in geological time, for entirely unrelated reasons
1882145;1545254301;asciilifeform;phf plox to lemme know if any part of asciilifeform's pos is unclear.
1882146;1545254340;phf;asciilifeform: it's clear now, i believe it changed drastically literally today, up until now i believe it was as i was made to understand it.
1882147;1545254366;mircea_popescu;so basically, the facts of the matter is, "at some point in the distant-er than month but closer than decade past", phf wanted to tell you some things and you took a hard line "just dump the thing", which he didn't want to do. then recently, having bought some parts and being less theoretically and more practically minded, you revised your stance ~in your own mind~ to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881964 and so on, but n
1882148;1545254366;a111;Logged on 2018-12-19 19:55 asciilifeform: phf: i aint proposing to put the thing on ftp as-is.
1882149;1545254366;mircea_popescu;ever mentioned it to anyone else (before now).
1882150;1545254388;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: phf only today elaborated re his behind-nazi-lines informant
1882151;1545254400;asciilifeform;previously i had nfi why he wouldn't simply pass on the goods as-is
1882152;1545254400;mircea_popescu;so then why is this a conflictual matter anyway ?
1882153;1545254404;asciilifeform;i dunno !
1882154;1545254409;asciilifeform;why, phf ?
1882155;1545254466;mircea_popescu;you know, when you ask someone why is x conflictual and he dunno, it's a case of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1882111 ; when you ask me the results are invariably http://trilema.com/2018/an-examination-of-conflict/ like.
1882156;1545254466;a111;Logged on 2018-12-19 21:08 mircea_popescu: your management of private communication is ~appaling~.
1882157;1545254473;asciilifeform;i'm not at all averse to handling the matter in such a way that it preserves phf's source. keeping in mind the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881979 caveat.
1882158;1545254473;a111;Logged on 2018-12-19 20:04 asciilifeform: nao, if phf thinks that asciilifeform cracking the case ~at all~ will 'unmask' phf's informant, this is a problem. chiefly for phf's informant, because i ~will~ rape bolix, whether anyone helps or not
1882159;1545254506;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu i'll be entirely happy if i learn that i dun actually disagree with phf .
1882160;1545254557;mircea_popescu;so far you've learned that if you learn or don't learn it's not apparently a process within your control. which in itself needs some examination.
1882161;1545254575;asciilifeform;the insides of other folxs' heads are not process under my control, noose at 11
1882162;1545254583;mircea_popescu;you don't ~have to~ need me to read this three times instead of playing dungeoneers
1882163;1545254593;mircea_popescu;(which is a fine game btw)
1882164;1545254612;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu's criticism is entirely troo, i got nuffin
1882165;1545254705;mircea_popescu;could for the same money have "hey phf-- i know i said so and so in the past, but truth be told now i got these chips and i'd like to get some work done, so how about..."
1882166;1545254911;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: appreciate, asciilifeform would like to avoid 'infection' with the sort of oath phf apparently took with his source
1882167;1545254933;asciilifeform;so i cannot make promise 'you can read but Never Do Anything with these!'
1882168;1545255146;mircea_popescu;sure.
1882169;1545255166;mircea_popescu;talking to a girl doesn't result in an obligation to fuck her. or marry her. or raise her offspring. you're just talking.
1882170;1545255175;asciilifeform;aha
1882171;1545255179;phf;that's not a promise that i made, and this is a misrepresentation of my position. unfortunately i can't find the relevant pgpgram, but i believe i made it clear that i don't want this publically discussed, because obviously if any of the interested parties were to read this conversation, their reaction would be "waitaminute". i never the less offered to share what i have, but i never got a confirmation that you can just keep quite on
1882172;1545255179;phf;the subject. perhaps i should've made it clear that _knowledge gained this way is yours to keep_. in response i got constant, year long abuse directed _as i believe it was_ at least partially my way about whisperes and conspiracies.
1882173;1545255214;mircea_popescu;so that's what all that was ?
1882174;1545255230;asciilifeform;phf: it aint my intention to 'abuse' , but try just 1nce to picture yerself in my pos.
1882175;1545255234;phf;where's the reality as i see it, is that you were offered some stuff, and your reaction was i'm my own king i do as i want
1882176;1545255263;phf;not only that, but _immediately_ after your started on the whole whisperer thread
1882177;1545255307;asciilifeform;phf: my reaction , thus far, is strictly to the not-getting of the selfsame offeredstuff.
1882178;1545255517;phf;look i told you about the stuff basically as soon as i came back _from a photoshoot_, gigs of photos, need to be sorted through. i communicated as much. the whisperer stuff started way before i had a chance to do anything about it. i mean what the fuck. it's like "i'm the greatest bolix liberator, and everyone else working towards it is an obscurantist and a cunt, unless they blog their shit right now". how am i not supposed to take
1882179;1545255517;phf;this personal, on top of the fact that it low key compromises what i'm trying to do?
1882180;1545255560;asciilifeform;phf: elaborate plz re how asciilifeform's effort 'compromises what i'm trying to do'
1882181;1545255565;phf;and more important how can i trust you into the process if your basic approach on the subject is shoot from the hip?
1882182;1545255599;phf;asciilifeform: not your _effort_, your _rants_ but more importantly _this very conversation_.
1882183;1545255599;asciilifeform;this, phf gotta decide for himself
1882184;1545255610;phf;asciilifeform: it's a fucking rhetorical question.
1882185;1545255624;asciilifeform;but i'd specifically like to know if phf ~doesnt~ trust, and i wont cry if phf rates accordingly
1882186;1545255643;asciilifeform;but if ~does~ trust, then i want to see the logical next step, if a then b.
1882187;1545255704;asciilifeform;the 1 item i specifically do not want, is another unbounded interval of maybes.
1882188;1545255752;asciilifeform;if phf's thought is 'i can't trust this maniac not to lie and then post whole thing on ftp, killing kat the radio gurl' i'd like to hear this said in the open.
1882189;1545255805;asciilifeform;as for 'this conversation', it is imho an entirely necessary one, and the only thing unreasonable about it is that it had to wait for 13 months.
1882190;1545255962;phf;asciilifeform: there was already _one_ conversation, i made my _conclusions_. your adventage is that you can basically just rant in the open, make insulting fucking statements in "general direction" of those bolix whisperers. where's i lose by having this in public record. i told you as much _at the very beginning_. but you clearly shit on my efforts, i mean you have been saying as much in public for a year, so you don't lose anything
1882191;1545255963;phf;from this conversation, where's i potentially do. fucking three years of relationship building.
1882192;1545255994;asciilifeform;what have you got from 'three years of relationship building' with the anons ? by your own admission '0', neh ?
1882193;1545256027;asciilifeform;and really, 'i lose from having this in public record' ?!
1882194;1545256051;phf;yes, and it can continue this way, until i either have non-0, or it all amounts to nothing. how's that a problem? it's my fucking work.
1882195;1545256057;asciilifeform;dun wanna end up out in the cold, with asciilifeform and other barbarians, would prefer warm clubhouse of the sad people ?
1882196;1545256058;asciilifeform;rly ?
1882197;1545256101;phf;asciilifeform: you're making selective conclusions from what i'm saying, i don't see any point in further communicating my point.
1882198;1545256114;asciilifeform;i cannot picture how to draw any other conclusion from what's been said so far
1882199;1545256129;asciilifeform;the 'i will lose from having this in public record' is quite concerning.
1882200;1545256135;phf;yes, my whole goal is to have a bunch of useless bolix junk, that i can mallory on top till i die.
1882201;1545256135;asciilifeform;in particularly re mircea_popescu's earlier point.
1882202;1545256152;asciilifeform;phf: wouldja care to clarify exactly what is your goal in re bolixology ?
1882203;1545256162;asciilifeform;cuz i think i've made mine quite clear
1882204;1545256169;asciilifeform;( rape and pillage, fullstop )
1882205;1545256196;phf;asciilifeform: i don't believe me repeating myself on this point will make a difference, i've already said it, but you've already made your conclusions.
1882206;1545256300;phf;actually i'm not sure i said it in the logs, so my bad. i want a fully operational bolix fpga, or in the future other type of replica, complete with genera sources and other such bells and whistles
1882207;1545256301;asciilifeform;mno.
1882208;1545256321;asciilifeform;for the benefit of uninvested l0gz readers, i will summarize what i know. there are 2 basic schools of bolixology.
1882209;1545256321;trinque;peanut gallery over here, but have you two ever sat down and discussed same in meat?
1882210;1545256334;asciilifeform;1 is asciilifeform's , and imho well-understood.
1882211;1545256357;asciilifeform;the other, is the one where folx sit around and try to sweet-talk the koscheis sitting on the tapes, to take pity and maybe release something 'orderly way'
1882212;1545256393;asciilifeform;to date, the 2nd has produced nothing public. asciilifeform at least posted highres board, which was afaik first (!) ever on the net where you can at least read the fucking ic labels.
1882213;1545256417;asciilifeform;trinque: believe or not, we got along pretty well in meat, the 1 time met.
1882214;1545256417;phf;i got it, there's the honest proper asciilifeform way which is all success stories and high ratings. and then there's the usg, cuck way of actually talking to people.
1882215;1545256436;asciilifeform;phf: i dun make tall claim of success for mine. but it ~published something~
1882216;1545256448;asciilifeform;and thereby beats the shit out of the folx who published nothing ! is this controversial ?
1882217;1545256468;trinque;asciilifeform: I believe it, as this thread reads like mutually talking straight past.
1882218;1545256473;asciilifeform;talking-to-people is a+++, if you ~use~ the intel
1882219;1545256490;asciilifeform;which means yes, working with yet-other people who shoot from hip and have baked fpga.
1882220;1545256505;asciilifeform;if you ~sit~ on the intel, it's wankery.
1882221;1545256520;mircea_popescu;trinque there seems to be a halting problem somewhere buried in there, among various other maladroitisms.
1882222;1545256547;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, phf i'ma leave thread alone for today and give folx time to cool .
1882223;1545256558;asciilifeform;it does 0 good to grr.
1882224;1545256559;trinque;you know, like that time trinque and phf got into it, and probably would've wised up pages back if but for a friendly thrown fist
1882225;1545256589;*;trinque doesn't mean in phf's direction either!
1882226;1545256649;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881988 << rather, the results. doesn't seems he cares about (or even comprehends) the methodology.
1882227;1545256649;a111;Logged on 2018-12-19 20:09 phf: you're constantly in logs, confused as to how anyone can get anything from anyone, yet now you're questioning my methods.
1882228;1545256818;*;asciilifeform bbl,teatime
1882229;1545257018;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1882051 << incidentally pretty cool item.
1882230;1545257018;a111;Logged on 2018-12-19 20:36 asciilifeform: plox can haz conclusion to this, e.g. after the last line of http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2735 ?
1882231;1545257213;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1882089 << this is a most idiotic standard. doctor doesn't rest easy when the last "seer" mammie "eats pistol", chiefly because doctor doesn't give a damn.
1882232;1545257213;a111;Logged on 2018-12-19 21:00 asciilifeform: and especially , deliberately unfriendly to whoever profits from the seekrederpery. in fact, i will know when my reversing has succeeded when a bolix collector somewhere at last eats his pistol because his $100k stash of irons is now worth == 8bit nintendo.
1882233;1545257502;mircea_popescu;phf did http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1882093 ever get answered then ?
1882234;1545257502;a111;Logged on 2018-12-19 21:02 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881963 << the question here being, what exact assistence is this to be then ?
1882235;1545257587;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1882171 << specifically "waitaminute" what ? "waitaminute, high fucking time to make a key and register iwth deedbot" ? or "waitaminute, this isn't a guy we can talk to anymore!" ?
1882236;1545257587;a111;Logged on 2018-12-19 21:32 phf: that's not a promise that i made, and this is a misrepresentation of my position. unfortunately i can't find the relevant pgpgram, but i believe i made it clear that i don't want this publically discussed, because obviously if any of the interested parties were to read this conversation, their reaction would be "waitaminute". i never the less offered to share what i have, but i never got a confirmation that you can just keep quite on
1882237;1545257656;mircea_popescu;indulge me for a moment, if you will, and make sense of this salad. why exactly would you ~care~ about the relationship with some morons who ~actually read~ the logs and then douchebag out of the republic ? "because they know really interesting secrets" ? you genuinely believe this is possible, people being both so fucking stupid as to opt out of the republic, and so fucking smart as to have anything, ~anything whatsoever~ to
1882238;1545257656;mircea_popescu; say ? how is this to work ?
1882239;1545257812;mircea_popescu;and moreover, from the other side, "fiat bolix, pereat mundus, ruat caelum" ? "i am ~so dedicated~ to reconstructing this 80s atari, i am willing to spend however long living with and among fucktarded orc populations, at the risk of my brain rotting like boas'" ? did you actually think this through and that's how it came out ?
1882240;1545257960;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in the interest of saving space, i'ma link to e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1738171 , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1738149 , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-23#1631545 .
1882241;1545257960;a111;Logged on 2017-11-14 20:10 asciilifeform: apeloyee: the other thing to consider, is that the preserved bolix material has ~unspeakably~ rich ( and quite high snr ) collection of artifacts, perhaps 1000 asciilifeform-years of work. take the ns vlsi compiler alone. i have the binaries, but not the src. and ~someone~ will have to make a sane (i.e. fully lispified and zero-externals) vlsitron.
1882242;1545257960;a111;Logged on 2017-11-14 19:56 asciilifeform: apeloyee: but on the other hand any attempt to build a sane arch, without fully grasping the bolix stack, from ic to the compiler, is lunacy.
1882243;1545257960;a111;Logged on 2017-03-23 04:32 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is free to be as 'unpersuaded' as he wants. fact: his machine -- can overrun an array; bolix -- could not; his box -- crashes,  cannot be examined or uncrashed (yes) -- bolix -- could; and various other aspects, well covered in teh logz.
1882244;1545257997;phf;mircea_popescu: i care about the relationship for the stuff it can produce. i think i'm stuck in circular here. either i have nothing, and then the relationship have no value, but then this conversation is pointless. or else i have something, and the relationship is indeed capable of producing stuff.
1882245;1545258031;phf;ignoring for a moment the general conclusion in multiple threads that bolix archeology is essentially a pointless hobby
1882246;1545258051;asciilifeform;phf: mircea_popescu and asciilifeform appearently differ on this pt
1882247;1545258069;asciilifeform;from my pov, if you 'interest in comp' and aint a bolixologist, yer breathing air in vain
1882248;1545258069;mircea_popescu;yeah but i mean, capable when producing what etcetera. i never pursued a woman in my life, nor do i intend to ever start ; i hold no grudges for those who do, but you do understand ~an entire half of the species~ survived to the present day by ~exploting~ this behaviour of yours, yes ?
1882249;1545258110;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so i have some air stashed away, i'll live.
1882250;1545258129;asciilifeform;it's the 1 example of the fucking spaceheaters , in whole history of that pseudo-field, that wasn't built by monkeys.
1882251;1545258160;mircea_popescu;not so far from monkeys, either, consider how the thing went, 1998-2018. but i think the thread's not worth rehashing.
1882252;1545258195;asciilifeform;dead geologist in taiga , with working radio, is much farther from monkey than the live chukcha who found corpse.
1882253;1545258204;asciilifeform;but i'ma also not rehash thread, i suspect mircea_popescu is immune to argument re subj
1882254;1545258213;mircea_popescu;phf this whole "i care about the relationship for the stuff it can produce" is very like what proust'd said.
1882255;1545258259;asciilifeform;btw i'm mildly astonished that nobody, not even mircea_popescu , put in argument 'what makes you, dirty monkey, think that you can re-create radio'
1882256;1545258260;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform group of ~dead~ geologists in taiga, with working radios and smoking guns, WAY closer to monkey than the chucka female that told them each she's gonna put out the same night in the same place.
1882257;1545258279;phf;mircea_popescu: well, i don't think this is quite like chasing women, i think of it more as a scavenger hunt.
1882258;1545258289;phf;or a sierra quest
1882259;1545258301;mircea_popescu;phf i never heard of scavenger taking the loving tack to the quarry. usually scavenger sounds like alf sounds.
1882260;1545258311;asciilifeform;phf: thus far seems to resemble more the conflict over the alien crud depicted in 'roadside picnic'
1882261;1545258381;mircea_popescu;phf you want to say "if i can't discriminate then why am i lord", then you turn around and it's "either i have something or i don't have something." well, discriminate, which is it ?
1882262;1545258448;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ever read 'roadside picnic' ? http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-10#1849235 << subj
1882263;1545258448;a111;Logged on 2018-09-10 16:50 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the strugatsky brothers, before sinking into senile delirium, had a tale 'roadside picnic', where unknown aliens land and leave buncha rubbish behind, and immediately depart. the rubbish includes 'usefuls', such as 'eternal batteries', but also various deadlies, and plenty of things 'in between', and earthling culture is rearranged by it.
1882264;1545258498;mircea_popescu;i don't even remember ;/
1882265;1545258504;asciilifeform;it aint halfbad
1882266;1545258515;phf;mircea_popescu: i've given a more nuanced answer over the logs. i've said that stuff from last year is junk, i'm not sure about stuff from this year, because i haven't inspected it yet. short of asciilifeform's periodic jabs, there was simply no reason to dedicate more time to it, considering that from a useful work perspective this is seen as a hobby, and i already have a backlog of things i actually need to be working on.
1882267;1545258564;mircea_popescu;and you don't want him to be looking through it because whatever, not nice enough, and well...
1882268;1545258569;asciilifeform;^
1882269;1545258653;phf;i made that point clear also, i believe he will spoil my hunt. he explicitly told me he will! as far as love for quarry, i assume that this particular log can potentially reach the quarry in question, and i suspect his reaction is not going to be to join the republic.
1882270;1545258688;asciilifeform;also said, later, that won;t. but phf chooses to ignore.
1882271;1545258713;mircea_popescu;and you like her enough to overlook this, and so it goes.
1882272;1545258807;asciilifeform;i was told 11 yrs ago by dks that 'people are working on releasing the goods, it will take politics'. fast fwd 11y. 0 releases.
1882273;1545258818;asciilifeform;and the iron ever scarcer, and even most of the few public www pages, gone
1882274;1545258831;mircea_popescu;hey, girls say what girls say.
1882275;1545258858;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the 'girls' are 80-90s d00ds, fwiw. but i think i see what mircea_popescu meant
1882276;1545258875;asciilifeform;and yes the dynamic is exactly film 'meangirls'
1882277;1545258901;asciilifeform;'oh hey if susy hears what mary said, mary will never get to be in Plastic Fantastics!'
1882278;1545258962;*;asciilifeform bbl,meat
1882279;1545259773;phf;asciilifeform: fwiw i didn't ignore your point. i don't trust you with this stuff, and not because you're not trustworthy, but because you refuse to be discreet when asked to be. and again since this will be misconstrued, i'm not saying keep things secret, i was specifically asking you to _quitely_ use the products of my work.
1882280;1545259805;mircea_popescu;are these products factual products or putative products ?
1882281;1545259994;phf;mircea_popescu: he can only use factual products
1882282;1545260015;mircea_popescu;yes, but it seemed to me as if you only had putative products. hence it'd appear there's a mismatch.
1882283;1545260072;phf;mircea_popescu: well, the use is of factual products, the request to be discreet is for putative products.
1882284;1545260217;*;mircea_popescu shrugs. "some things you might maybe one day get that he won't be able to use then anyway" seems an entirely over-ellaborate way to say "nothing".
1882285;1545260238;mircea_popescu;anyway, your putative source of putative products that may one day do something or not could be upset or not for all the practical difference it makes.
1882286;1545261895;BingoBoingo;Well, fwiw there's a business around the corner which sells putas by the half hour and by the hour. They don't seem to be folding anytime soon even with their lack of signage.
1882287;1545261996;BingoBoingo;No shortage of putative in this world
1882288;1545263359;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile in other holocaust revisions: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Wr1oy/?raw=true
1882289;1545265548;BingoBoingo;And in herpity derpadoos https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/vazquez-no-aceptamos-que-se-diga-que-este-gobierno-va-a-entregar-un-pais-en-crisis--20181219153853
1882290;1545266025;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1882282 << as i understand, on reread of thrd, there are no fewer than ~3~ bags of lulz : 1 is last yr's, which phf described as entirely useless in the end, and i'ma believe. another is this yr's, which hasn't been combed yet. and the third is the 'putative' of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1882266 .
1882291;1545266025;a111;Logged on 2018-12-19 22:53 mircea_popescu: yes, but it seemed to me as if you only had putative products. hence it'd appear there's a mismatch.
1882292;1545266025;a111;Logged on 2018-12-19 22:28 phf: mircea_popescu: i've given a more nuanced answer over the logs. i've said that stuff from last year is junk, i'm not sure about stuff from this year, because i haven't inspected it yet. short of asciilifeform's periodic jabs, there was simply no reason to dedicate more time to it, considering that from a useful work perspective this is seen as a hobby, and i already have a backlog of things i actually need to be working on.
1882293;1545266121;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1882279 << this is 1 reason why the discussion is moar than about a piece of pot shard from archaeo-dig . does phf trust asciilifeform's oath as a lord ? if not, really he oughta update rating of asciilifeform ! and if yes, then i dun see why to dangle 'next week, next week' in front of asciilifeform for yr+ and never show any dirt, large, small.
1882294;1545266121;a111;Logged on 2018-12-19 22:49 phf: asciilifeform: fwiw i didn't ignore your point. i don't trust you with this stuff, and not because you're not trustworthy, but because you refuse to be discreet when asked to be. and again since this will be misconstrued, i'm not saying keep things secret, i was specifically asking you to _quitely_ use the products of my work.
1882295;1545266123;mircea_popescu;the only bag of lulz is the apparently endlessly recurent "this chick's a moron but ima indulge".
1882296;1545266175;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: which'd be which ?
1882297;1545266330;mircea_popescu;today, "i'm talking to this guy, who is not smart enough to make a key upon reading the logs, but is smart enough to have interesting things ". traditionally-bolix, "these six morons that weren't apt to survive nevertheless made important tech". generally throughout, "i dunno how to resolve the tension between stupid and horny", from http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881534 to http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-26#770352 and 9k
1882298;1545266330;a111;Logged on 2018-12-18 19:57 mircea_popescu: why is it that this church is notable in spite of not having a feedbot ?
1882299;1545266330;a111;Logged on 2014-07-26 17:26 mircea_popescu: "just get rid of her if she's annoying" leads directly to "and get rid of any slaves that can't cope with no pp or complain enough"
1882300;1545266330;mircea_popescu;examples in between.
1882301;1545266366;mircea_popescu;it takes stronger distorsion fields than i'm willing to run, the entertaining of this particular flavour of "but nevertheless"
1882302;1545266399;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i dun demand that the deaf understand, somehow, music. observe that mircea_popescu dun care for bolix, and i equally duncare for bondage&discipline, yet we still find what to constructively say to one another on occasion.
1882303;1545266408;mircea_popescu;straight up http://trilema.com/2009/exceptionalismul-feminin/
1882304;1545266408;asciilifeform;and i appreciate that mircea_popescu knows how to approach subj abstractly.
1882305;1545266430;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform which would be the "music" in this discussion ?
1882306;1545266441;asciilifeform;the 1 and only ~sane comp built to date.
1882307;1545266449;asciilifeform;ic design chain that fit in 20kloc. etc.
1882308;1545266478;asciilifeform;i aint presumptious enuff to suppose that i can re-create 'all of it + some + hookers & poker' without dig of orig.
1882309;1545266496;mircea_popescu;let me tell you a story.
1882310;1545266503;asciilifeform;i like stories
1882311;1545266526;mircea_popescu;one day a poor gypsy teenager with no clear clan affiliation ran away from whatever rural shithole.
1882312;1545266541;mircea_popescu;spent a year or so taking it in the ass in the backroom of various roadside inns.
1882313;1545266548;mircea_popescu;eventually had enough and returned "home".
1882314;1545266570;mircea_popescu;told the gathered round kiddies that he was all the while in service of the prince of sarajevo
1882315;1545266584;mircea_popescu;who defeated the americans at the battle of krivoy rog.
1882316;1545266621;mircea_popescu;at ~this particular juncture~ kiddie mp tunes out. because while he can't evaluate whether this gypo did or did not serve a "prince of sarajevo" he might or might not have heard of,
1882317;1545266636;mircea_popescu;he knows for a fact how this "battle of krivoy rog" turned out.
1882318;1545266670;mircea_popescu;~if~ those people were smart enough to build the item you describe, the ~reasonable expectation~ is they'd have been smart enough to behave ~muchly variant~ from the ~actual way they behaved~ in fields much easier to observe.
1882319;1545266701;asciilifeform;y'know full well that engineers can't find own head from arse in 'fields easier to observe'
1882320;1545266702;mircea_popescu;this is no proof. but it does inform what is, for all of us, a reasonable suspicion. you think you have reason to suspect bolix is more notable than atari.
1882321;1545266723;mircea_popescu;i think i have reason to suspect ~the people who made it~ are ~not more notable~ than say amir taaki.
1882322;1545266733;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so what do you want me to do ?
1882323;1545266738;asciilifeform;i'm under 0 illusion that i have a case built that's mircea_popescu-grade convincing.
1882324;1545266750;asciilifeform;sorta the thrust of asciilifeform's 11 yrs of archaeology -- to at least build case.
1882325;1545266759;asciilifeform;not even to rebuild old irons, as such.
1882326;1545266776;asciilifeform;if i build ~case~, and then piano falls on me, that'll be enuff .
1882327;1545266779;mircea_popescu;so then, thing can sit as it sits, i don't expect to persuade you (and i see the merit in "pre-republic, engineers===morons". i just don't see why this should be perpetuated, hence original "bag of lulz" comment.
1882328;1545266786;asciilifeform;next asciilifeform can convince next mircea_popescu that there was a troy in the dirt.
1882329;1545266847;asciilifeform;the 1 possible annoyance is that unlike old troy, these baubles dun last 4evah, e.g. rated life of eprom is ~40y
1882330;1545266855;asciilifeform;( i actually have an example of a decayed 1, elsewhere )
1882331;1545266906;mircea_popescu;in short : you (correctly) insist because it hasn't been proven not to be ; and i am not particularly taken because it doesn't seem to have been. these are different measures.
1882332;1545266923;asciilifeform;i dun have any quibble with mircea_popescu's unpersuadedness.
1882333;1545266935;asciilifeform;it is 100% reasonable from his pov, he did not dig for 11y.
1882334;1545266952;asciilifeform;'troy, what troy, it's myth and it it were any good for anyffing it'd still be standing' etc
1882335;1545266960;mircea_popescu;right ?
1882336;1545266997;asciilifeform;asciilifeform on other hand would rather dig for troy than sex.
1882337;1545267004;asciilifeform;that's simply how beelzebub made him.
1882338;1545267010;mircea_popescu;dig, dig.
1882339;1545267112;asciilifeform;and i long ago gave up to expect any help from anybody in the matter. thrd where asciilifeform annoyed, is specifically re 'promised, promised, and 0 deliver', which i think is a situation mircea_popescu can relate to in own head
1882340;1545267215;mircea_popescu;it'd be a lot more relatable if you managed these things more like i do and less like a rabid pubescent wolverine.
1882341;1545267238;asciilifeform;how did that old hajja nasredin parable go ?
1882342;1545267250;mircea_popescu;which one ?
1882343;1545267261;asciilifeform;the one where 'well if ~you~ were nasreddin and ~i~ were the king, then it'd be you standing in front of me' etc
1882344;1545267312;mircea_popescu;lol
1882345;1545267314;mircea_popescu;mkay.
1882346;1545267357;asciilifeform;if mircea_popescu were wolverine, and i were mircea_popescu , there'd be, lol, same thread...
1882347;1545267375;asciilifeform;( imho it is not given to have 2 mircea_popescu's, the gods dun have enuff juice to plug'em in 2 at a time )
1882348;1545268531;asciilifeform;in unrelated (but not entirely) noose, uncrated chinese macro lens, and it aint halfbad
1882349;1545268535;*;asciilifeform pleasantly surprised.
1882350;1545294901;spyked;!Qlater tell lobbes euloran rss feeds are now loaded into feedbot. let me know when you can sync up to aim feedbot at #e
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1882353;1545310452;Mocky;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881740 speaking of summaries, this summarizes my entire experience here
1882354;1545310452;a111;Logged on 2018-12-19 17:18 trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881688 << and here I thought a large part of the republic was to reveal one's inner idjit. worked for trinque.
1882355;1545314883;mircea_popescu;i suppose there's one element i really should add to yesterday's proceedings. !!seen won't see it, but there's always http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-12#1198904
1882356;1545314883;a111;Logged on 2015-07-12 19:02 pete_dushenski: !up anig
1882357;1545314884;mircea_popescu;i've not spoken to my mother since 2015. we were always very close, and i always liked her, enough so that three decades together didn't produce any cause of rupture. yet somehow, somewhere along the way she got the idea she has the option of venue, and it's up to her whether to be here or not.
1882358;1545314884;mircea_popescu;it fucking isn't. i'm not kidding around : "you genuinely believe this is possible, people being both so fucking stupid as to opt out of the republic, and so fucking smart as to have anything, ~anything whatsoever~ to say ? how is this to work ?" and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-20#1882295 and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-20#1882301
1882359;1545314884;a111;Logged on 2018-12-20 00:35 mircea_popescu: the only bag of lulz is the apparently endlessly recurent "this chick's a moron but ima indulge".
1882360;1545314884;a111;Logged on 2018-12-20 00:39 mircea_popescu: it takes stronger distorsion fields than i'm willing to run, the entertaining of this particular flavour of "but nevertheless"
1882361;1545314885;mircea_popescu;it's not "just something you say".
1882362;1545315623;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in alf-interest items, https://i.ibb.co/0jZ1tPM/chicks-for-nerds-cunts-that-matter.jpg
1882363;1545315806;asciilifeform;lol! random chunks of school on'em..
1882364;1545316000;mircea_popescu;yes, but at least the bookshelf looks like ~genuine books~ as opposed to "what hollywood thinks bookshelf looks like, they've never seen one", and the scribblings genuine physics as opposed to usual hurr durr the chickies of http://trilema.com/2018/lay-the-favorite/#selection-63.0-99.0 & http://trilema.com/2013/queers/#selection-83.0-83.148 fame
1882365;1545316016;mircea_popescu;come up with.
1882366;1545316121;mircea_popescu;which, incidentally, is why the sort of familiarity-breeds-all-i-need morons "don't get math". boys, especially engineertards, may think her legs carefully exposed so as to "resolve" the "hot but not hot enough for the girlgroup to say slut" "dilemma" pass ; but math never fucking passes, it's always a case of either the way or the highway.
1882367;1545316130;mircea_popescu;and the femtard really dun like that.
1882368;1545316364;*;asciilifeform nostalgiates, 'i had that chem text! and these coupla other.. and even that encyclopaedia.. here it lies, sad, in a crate..'
1882369;1545316389;mircea_popescu;well wtf are you gonna do with books, in 2018.
1882370;1545316393;mircea_popescu;there they rot.
1882371;1545316431;asciilifeform;the 1s i actually look at , are on shelves, but i only got x metres of wall...
1882372;1545316464;mircea_popescu;i don't even.
1882373;1545316483;asciilifeform;i recall
1882374;1545316494;mircea_popescu;books are too fucking depressing. "hey, remember when people read ?"
1882375;1545316506;mircea_popescu;"oh, that was before the revolution."
1882376;1545316518;asciilifeform;'remember when people thought'
1882377;1545316527;mircea_popescu;do you understand we shot that idiot, and for our trouble got "freedom", and so no fucking body reads anymore ?
1882378;1545316534;mircea_popescu;cuz obviously, right, why read.
1882379;1545316545;mircea_popescu;now they got options.
1882380;1545316572;mircea_popescu;viermi adormiti, in plm.
1882381;1545316649;asciilifeform;it's how homo redditus is created, aha
1882382;1545316659;asciilifeform;'options'
1882383;1545318011;mircea_popescu;in other news, https://lurkmore.to/%D0%9A%D1%82%D0%BE_%D0%BD%D0%B5_%D1%81_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B8,_%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%82_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B2_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%81 quite entertaining.
1882384;1545318018;mircea_popescu;"Мужчина без остро выраженной социальной позиции напоминает трансвестита, подкаблучника, труса или еще какую дешевую мерзость, недостойную носить это гордое имя: Воин! Дядька, стыдливо проходящий мимо подлости и грязи, — это уже напо
1882385;1545318019;mircea_popescu;ловину тетка, вне зависимости от его кондиций, возраста и социального статуса."
1882386;1545318068;mircea_popescu;if you ever wondered about the deluge of crossdressers -- this is exactly it, i'm sure. in the immortal words of Weston Amsbury Liggett, "to beat everyone, including you, to the punch".
1882387;1545320362;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'who not with us..' item orig from lenin
1882388;1545320365;asciilifeform;(but erryone prolly knew)
1882389;1545320561;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-20#1882358 << i can see the pov. otoh i dunno if it'd be great for snr if errybody's mothers tuned in
1882390;1545320561;a111;Logged on 2018-12-20 14:08 mircea_popescu: it fucking isn't. i'm not kidding around : "you genuinely believe this is possible, people being both so fucking stupid as to opt out of the republic, and so fucking smart as to have anything, ~anything whatsoever~ to say ? how is this to work ?" and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-20#1882295 and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-20#1882301
1882391;1545320769;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform on meditation, that piece makes it plainly evident redditardation is ~generational~, not ideological. there sit the russki kids, who'd be in a fine position to understand the problem. god knows they have much better access to much better priors that readily illuminate it.
1882392;1545320820;asciilifeform;generations that get unplugged from sense, aha
1882393;1545321097;mircea_popescu;but instead, "совки vs. либерасты" hurr. they reconstructed "the dilemma", truly more meaningful than their lesser brethren's "coke vs pepsi", but to them ~just as meaningless~. the fucking point is that they ~want~ the "superiority" of http://trilema.com/2014/fred-quimby-and-ancient-evils/#footnote_5_53722
1882394;1545321124;mircea_popescu;amusingly enough, the 90s romanian redditard magazine was called "dilema".
1882395;1545321162;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo has a lot more in his hand with the whole degenegeliation theory than readily realised : schmucks simply wanna "dilemma".
1882396;1545321195;mircea_popescu;somehow the idiots born during the latter half of the cold war decided the only way to "truly live" is in stasis, waiting for "unresolvable conflict".
1882397;1545321210;mircea_popescu;this so evidently has nothing at all to do with "cold war" and "nuclear standoff", either.
1882398;1545321221;BingoBoingo;Nah, they thrive pretending to unresolvable conflict
1882399;1545321233;mircea_popescu;right ?
1882400;1545321282;BingoBoingo;Hence trillions for F-35 which is only a danger to pilot is not controversial while ~5 billion for wall can't happen. The conflict MUST survive!
1882401;1545321424;BingoBoingo;Wall fits in the "againing" It's about all US has left in its ablity to act, but because it could be done Pantsuit desperately doesn't want it.
1882402;1545321494;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i am entirely not proposing any others ~have their mothers do~ anything specific, this or that. i am saying though, and plainly, that the sort of people whose mothers ~don't do what they tell them to~ это уже наполовину тетка.
1882403;1545321601;mircea_popescu;(degenegelation, portmanteau of degeneration and hegel)
1882404;1545321661;asciilifeform;what can mother do ? 'i have hole in overcoat, mother fix?' 'sure'
1882405;1545321765;mircea_popescu;depends whose, it is not for me to say, nor am i interested in saying.
1882406;1545321772;mircea_popescu;you figure it out.
1882407;1545321873;mircea_popescu;and there's no sarcasm nor any subtext at all there. i'm not gonna tell you what to do with your women in general, but by the time what you're doing is driven by "what will wife's daddy think", you fucked up.
1882408;1545322130;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/12/der-spiegel-social-engineer-lauded-by-pantsuit-peers-and-misrepresenting-self-as-journalist-turns-out-to-have-been-prolific-fiction-writer-the-whole-time/ << Qntra -- Der Spiegel Social Engineer Lauded By Pantsuit Peers And Misrepresenting Self As Journalist Turns Out To Have Been Prolific Fiction Writer The Whole Time
1882409;1545322134;BingoBoingo;^ In refreshing changes of pace, old woman bitching did something exciting for a change
1882410;1545322188;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo "to de reporting"
1882411;1545322248;mircea_popescu;"demonizing bloodthirst nationalist vigilanties" << y
1882412;1545322648;BingoBoingo;ty, fxd
1882413;1545322776;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-20#1882350 << ty sir. How about this Saturday for the swap? I'll take lobbesbot's RSS-o-tron offline that day and you can have feedbot join #eulora
1882414;1545322776;a111;Logged on 2018-12-20 08:35 spyked: !Qlater tell lobbes euloran rss feeds are now loaded into feedbot. let me know when you can sync up to aim feedbot at #e
1882415;1545322776;lobbesbot;lobbes: Sent 7 hours and 44 minutes ago: <spyked> euloran rss feeds are now loaded into feedbot. let me know when you can sync up to aim feedbot at #e
1882416;1545322780;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-20#1882353 << ditto.
1882417;1545322780;a111;Logged on 2018-12-20 12:54 Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881740 speaking of summaries, this summarizes my entire experience here
1882418;1545324113;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/12/argentine-court-orders-prison-for-christina-fernandez-kirchner/ << Qntra -- Argentine Court Orders Prison For Christina Fernandez Kirchner
1882419;1545324903;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: Thank you for fishing us a customer
1882420;1545326478;danielpbarron;np
1882421;1545331050;BingoBoingo;In other news, USG doesn't know how to do police raids. US police don't even bring the power and water companies with them as a matter of course.
1882422;1545360188;feedbot;http://danielpbarron.com/2016/the-drunken-explorer/ << Daniel P. Barron  Bitcoin -- The drunken explorer
1882423;1545360217;danielpbarron;weird
1882424;1545373770;mircea_popescu;http://irreal.org/blog/ << for the lulz files. incidentally, when i think "emacs user" i think of this moron, "omg you guys .org -> .tex -> .pdf is a great work-flow for sharing information. It's like #inception though - first #emacs became my OS and now everything I create in Emacs is becoming an #Orgmode file. First I started doing all my writing in Emacs (and later, of course, as much of everything else as I could) and the
1882425;1545373770;mircea_popescu;n all that writing started being Org files.
1882426;1545373770;mircea_popescu;It occurred to me that Org is like the Borg: it absorbs everything that gets near it. So laugh all you want but you will be assimilated." and reddit links.
1882427;1545373842;mircea_popescu;too lazy to dig up his github profile fulla amateur astronomy, "omg guise did you know you could put fries on pizza and it would taste amazing" cooking recipes and assorted http://trilema.com/2014/agency-and-other-notes/#selection-31.0-31.271
1882428;1545374324;mircea_popescu;spyked while at it, plox to take danielpbarron.com off #eulora / #trilema ty.
1882429;1545401174;spyked;mircea_popescu, ACK, and done
1882430;1545401419;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-20#1882413 <-- sounds good. I'll be online starting about 12PM UTC until late, so give signal and I'll /join from the feedbot side
1882431;1545401419;a111;Logged on 2018-12-20 16:19 lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-20#1882350 << ty sir. How about this Saturday for the swap? I'll take lobbesbot's RSS-o-tron offline that day and you can have feedbot join #eulora
1882432;1545401720;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-21#1882424 << i'ma bet you found the d00d through asciilifeform's links sect, where he has a well-deserved place for useful elisp material. ( does mircea_popescu have something specifically against 'orgmode' , or simply in the habit of spitting on anything he dun use personally ? )
1882433;1545401720;a111;Logged on 2018-12-21 06:29 mircea_popescu: http://irreal.org/blog/ << for the lulz files. incidentally, when i think "emacs user" i think of this moron, "omg you guys .org -> .tex -> .pdf is a great work-flow for sharing information. It's like #inception though - first #emacs became my OS and now everything I create in Emacs is becoming an #Orgmode file. First I started doing all my writing in Emacs (and later, of course, as much of everything else as I could) and the
1882434;1545401759;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-21#1882427 << most damning sin of the 'irreal' fella is.. failing to come up with a unique handle. the shithub by that name has 0 to do with the linked blog, it's fulla microshit and 0 emacsism
1882435;1545401759;a111;Logged on 2018-12-21 06:30 mircea_popescu: too lazy to dig up his github profile fulla amateur astronomy, "omg guise did you know you could put fries on pizza and it would taste amazing" cooking recipes and assorted http://trilema.com/2014/agency-and-other-notes/#selection-31.0-31.271
1882436;1545403836;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform actually found him because (inexplicably) popped in trilema referrer list.
1882437;1545403857;mircea_popescu;and i was honest, did not dig up github, nfi,
1882438;1545403881;asciilifeform;folx really really oughta have reasonably unique names imho
1882439;1545403919;mircea_popescu;yeah well.
1882440;1545403981;mircea_popescu;on fifth (and i guess final) re-read, it occurs to me the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1882248 <-> http://trilema.com/2012/the-imbecilitarians/#selection-223.252-223.669 link really should be made explicit.
1882441;1545403981;a111;Logged on 2018-12-19 22:21 mircea_popescu: yeah but i mean, capable when producing what etcetera. i never pursued a woman in my life, nor do i intend to ever start ; i hold no grudges for those who do, but you do understand ~an entire half of the species~ survived to the present day by ~exploting~ this behaviour of yours, yes ?
1882442;1545404011;mircea_popescu;it is a ~fact~ that the empire only perpetuates through the ~willing~ and ~deliberate~ sin of republicans, who ~elect~ to feed the morons.
1882443;1545404013;asciilifeform;lol mircea_popescu wins at rereads, asciilifeform only went 4 !
1882444;1545404052;mircea_popescu;moreover, no amount of buying sodas & popcorn for miss princess rottencrotchstein two doors down so you fight her over her tits in the darkness of the cinema hall is EVER going to produce a useful slavegirl.
1882445;1545404071;mircea_popescu;there's no "progression". the place for the "well brought up" daugthers of the middle class is the furnace, naught else.
1882446;1545404107;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this was the basic thrust behind asciilifeform's http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1882088 jumper setting.
1882447;1545404107;a111;Logged on 2018-12-19 20:59 asciilifeform: phf: observe, asciilifeform's approach to breaking 'seekrets' is not entirely ineffective. and yes it is 'unfriendly', in particular to folx keeping the seekritz. which by extension is ~anyone~ who knows and aint saying.
1882448;1545404129;mircea_popescu;and besides, and just as importantly : the boy who puppyloves some girl ~is in no way different ; IN NO WAY DIFFERENT~ from the erastes who "loves" some man's kiddy bait whore.
1882449;1545404177;mircea_popescu;if i have a woman going out who pretends to put out so that i walk in on you, throw a fit and fuck you in the ass -- whether i show up to actually do it or not MAKES NO DIFFERENCE TO YOUR STATUS. you're still my cock rag.
1882450;1545404216;mircea_popescu;and whether you're both 16 and i'm her father-owner rather than her master-owner ALSO MAKES NO DIFFERENCE TO YOUR STATUS.
1882451;1545404238;mircea_popescu;either you own the woman, or else you're just there to anally please her owner. that's the outlay, there's nothing else there.
1882452;1545404367;mircea_popescu;which is the deep problem with http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881912 : you want to be a lord within the walls but play the erastes outside. it's ~not easy~, yes women can do it remarkably well, but http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-20#1882319
1882453;1545404367;a111;Logged on 2018-12-19 19:24 phf: so i'm not trusted at all?
1882454;1545404367;a111;Logged on 2018-12-20 00:45 asciilifeform: y'know full well that engineers can't find own head from arse in 'fields easier to observe'
1882455;1545404588;asciilifeform;the ancients warned re 'serving two masters', neh.
1882456;1545404678;mircea_popescu;now where's the link to that story about the man who lent some money and ends by wondering whether he keeps going back to "get his money back", fuck the guy's wife or take up the ass ?
1882457;1545404727;mircea_popescu;it's not some fucking joke, which is why it's funny. it's why these are always funny.
1882458;1545404996;mircea_popescu;s/erastes/eromenos/ jesus christ
1882459;1545405681;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the one thing that blows my mind is the compartimentalization. "you either own the computer or else work for the usg" is somehow self-evident ; "you either own the woman or else work for the usg" is magically not, because "it was not clear to me dks was the woman in our relationship, what is the similarity between the dangly-bait cunt in each case ?!?!?!"
1882460;1545405712;mircea_popescu;"the similarity is that a) you want it and b) it's worthless". "oh!"
1882461;1545405782;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: to add moar weird to the story, last night dks actually answered, with 'i'ma dig for some PAL stuff, will write back after newyear'. old man simply moves slowly. ( and notice that i did not have to swear masonic oath to him !111 )
1882462;1545405906;asciilifeform;the sinners in the story aren't even dks et al, but the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-21#1882442 folx, the 'masonic oaths' they swear are largely ~to each other~, creating a hitler out of vacuum
1882463;1545405906;a111;Logged on 2018-12-21 14:53 mircea_popescu: it is a ~fact~ that the empire only perpetuates through the ~willing~ and ~deliberate~ sin of republicans, who ~elect~ to feed the morons.
1882464;1545405944;asciilifeform;it's an exact replay of the alchemists.
1882465;1545405995;BingoBoingo; Masonic oaths don't create hitlers. They do worse. They create oxford boys playing soggy biscuits while bucket crabbing.
1882466;1545406016;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it's where that train stops, yes.
1882467;1545406117;asciilifeform;old folx want to 'feel relevant'. if you throw'em this bone by preemptively 'promising to seekrit', they'll eat it up. if you throw different bone, will also eat.
1882468;1545406163;mircea_popescu;holy shit really ?
1882469;1545406192;mircea_popescu;i never witnessed this phenomenon where the same young hussy giving some age-peer a hard time puts out unasked as soon as some gypo shows up.
1882470;1545406195;asciilifeform;i realize this aint news to mircea_popescu , but gotta put in the l0gz for all the folx who aint 10,000 y.o. olympians
1882471;1545406228;mircea_popescu;right.
1882472;1545406266;asciilifeform;( and even if ~won't eat bone~ -- in asciilifeform's eyes, it is far better to take bloody irons apart ion by ion for 20yrs than to get commented sores at the cost of selling soul )
1882473;1545406373;asciilifeform;it's 1 thing if yer stierlitz and sign whatever 'seekrecy agreements' with the reich so as to then have what to radio back to stalin, laughing all the way. it's quite another if yer actually infected and start taking the 'promises' to reich seriously.
1882474;1545406465;asciilifeform;this is much broader item than simply in re bolixism thread.
1882475;1545406592;mircea_popescu;i suppose in the end, the important usg hook in social process among the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877467 / http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-14#1813416 / http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-09#1641131 crowd of morons is -- "the secrecy", as a usg earworm.
1882476;1545406592;a111;Logged on 2018-12-01 20:50 mircea_popescu: fact of the matter, for ~these reasons~ i don't even believe mit told original symbolics&co fucktards to be fucktards.
1882477;1545406592;a111;Logged on 2018-05-14 23:22 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, mit is the owner of ~nothing.
1882478;1545406592;a111;Logged on 2017-04-09 22:51 mircea_popescu: phf this part is fine. now, why did they fail to a) band togetgher and b) control, deliberately, the product.
1882479;1545406595;asciilifeform;and observe that asciilifeform is somehow able to discuss this point without 'ohnoez, but what if x,y,z read the log!'
1882480;1545406619;mircea_popescu;much like the usg hook in campus intimate relationships is "rape", (also as the usg earworm, has ~nothing to do with rape in any sense)
1882481;1545406654;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i happen to know that the 'mit tyranny' consisted of standard patent agreement. which some folx 'ohnoezed' and 'preemptively' bowed over, and others -- simply raped, and laughed all the way to bank.
1882482;1545406663;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform as fucking if anyone reading the logs is anything but that one's immediate obligation.
1882483;1545406681;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform we know the same thing.
1882484;1545406727;mircea_popescu;but anyway, there's a ~reason~ for http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-28#1875908 ; that reason is ~RAISING AWARENESS~.
1882485;1545406727;a111;Logged on 2018-11-28 23:29 Mocky: these jobs requiring 'clearanced' is actually quite handy, easy filter criteria
1882486;1545406781;mircea_popescu;they know it works (as it evidently does, phf wasn't even born there i have to point out to him that http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-20#1882391 ) and so they want every last indian in some remote hunting lodge somewhere to have at least one blanket.
1882487;1545406781;a111;Logged on 2018-12-20 15:46 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform on meditation, that piece makes it plainly evident redditardation is ~generational~, not ideological. there sit the russki kids, who'd be in a fine position to understand the problem. god knows they have much better access to much better priors that readily illuminate it.
1882488;1545406811;asciilifeform;it's essentially replay of ye olde 'do not build own jail inside yer head' thread.
1882489;1545406829;mircea_popescu;and with that, it can rest.
1882490;1545406844;asciilifeform;i can't think of what to possibly add to it.
1882491;1545406856;*;asciilifeform bbl,teatime
1882492;1545407656;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-21#1882432 << mircea_popescu believes orgmode is ~stupid~, which carries no further import than this, and mircea_popescu does not begrudge the users their usage. he however also notices that what it LEADS to is fucking anathema ; because if indeed orgmode is in your mind a stepping stone from emacs to pdf, then indeed orgmode is exactly as stupid as i fucking thought it was.
1882493;1545407656;a111;Logged on 2018-12-21 14:15 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-21#1882424 << i'ma bet you found the d00d through asciilifeform's links sect, where he has a well-deserved place for useful elisp material. ( does mircea_popescu have something specifically against 'orgmode' , or simply in the habit of spitting on anything he dun use personally ? )
1882494;1545407769;mircea_popescu;nfi what there's to like about orgmode, and especially it's not clear how you distinguish it from "excel vbasic for emacs"
1882495;1545407827;mircea_popescu;"literate programming" MY FOOT! that piece of shit is the ~exact antithesis~ of literate programming, it's illiterate excel-ing. and i do not for a second believe that the "misnomer" is accidental -- it's exactly usg-deliberate. nor do i think the mention on the original dork's blog is accidental.
1882496;1545407908;mircea_popescu;"oh but mp, while it can be used that way, that's not the way i use it". whopee.
1882497;1545407931;mircea_popescu;retrofiring revolver also fits this bill.
1882498;1545409643;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: where did the orgmode d00d discuss pdfism ?
1882499;1545409661;mircea_popescu;man, i just quoted it didn't i ?
1882500;1545409697;mircea_popescu;http://archive.is/wEX7b#selection-877.0-889.6
1882501;1545409718;asciilifeform;loox like he was quoting some rando's use case. himself, he uses it to write .txt for the blog.
1882502;1545409775;asciilifeform;( fwiw asciilifeform tried 'orgmode' at length, decade ago, but didn't like, found that it does ~90% of what i needed, and the remaining 10% felt like same amt of work as simply using plain txt files + grep entirely. )
1882503;1545409855;asciilifeform;as for the quoted d00d, who '.org -> .tex -> .pdf', dollars to doughnuts he's an academic and chained to that oar.
1882504;1545409938;mircea_popescu;i can't discern what argument you're brining in there.
1882505;1545409958;asciilifeform;that it's a quote from 3rd party ?
1882506;1545409962;mircea_popescu;is it you protest the exact flavour of anathema ("oh mp, it's not usg.corporate idiocy, it's usg.academia idiocy" ?) or what exactly.
1882507;1545409964;mircea_popescu;so ?
1882508;1545409982;asciilifeform;so mircea_popescu quotes all sorts, e.g. gavin, in various pieces. does this mean that mircea_popescu endorses gavinism ?
1882509;1545409985;mircea_popescu;when ~i~ quote from an idiotic third party, you know this is going down, by the presence of the word idiot in there.
1882510;1545410022;asciilifeform;so is orig thread re how orgmode rots brains, or that linked blogist writes insufficiently mircea_popescuinely?
1882511;1545410055;mircea_popescu;orig thread is re how "here looky, case of orgmode rotting brains"
1882512;1545410067;asciilifeform;('orgmode' per se aint very interesting, it's just an elisp script that lets you shuffle wads of txt as linked lists)
1882513;1545410089;mircea_popescu;eh, if only. it ~runs arbitrary snippets of code~. it is 100% vbasic.
1882514;1545410123;asciilifeform;that'd be 'calc', a diff emacs plugin.
1882515;1545410128;mircea_popescu;"reproducible research", do you know what they actually mean by ~that~ term hijack ?
1882516;1545410173;mircea_popescu;i dunno if you follow this, but the way through which "golf club pattern" idiocy existed is exactly this sort of "automation" : i """scientist""" downloaded an excel from the internet and it spat out in my cell what the website said it spits so therefore EXPERIMENT VERIFIED
1882517;1545410188;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: quite familiar with academi-scam, having been sadly involved on production end
1882518;1545410204;mircea_popescu;well that's your orgmode, neh.
1882519;1545410236;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ~that~ is good % of what passes for tooling errywhere. i.e. mechanisms to clean up piles of shit left by others.
1882520;1545410244;asciilifeform;i refer to it as perlism.
1882521;1545410250;mircea_popescu;i do not agree.
1882522;1545410344;asciilifeform;i dun even ~like~ or use 'orgmode'. but must dispute the 'folx who write elisp proggies are destructive zombies and class enemy' blanket.
1882523;1545410359;mircea_popescu;not "piles of shit left by others". specifically, i pompously declare myself "literate programatician", what this does is, vbasic autorun ; i pompously declare myself "respectable scientificist", what this does is, i download an excel script, watch its vbasic reproduce the same errors of http://trilema.com/2013/why-mpex-is-better-than-fiat-institutions-part-349085-we-dont-use-excel/#selection-143.0-153.147 and declare i have
1882524;1545410360;mircea_popescu;thereby verified something.
1882525;1545410427;mircea_popescu;whether you're aware of this or not : 2000s era standards of usgtronic "science" had decayed to the point where, running some random virus off the internet was deemed as "independent verification". literally this, "i downloaded a bunch of numbers and a vbasic script off a website, it ran on my machine to the same result as it ran on publisher's machine, THEREFORE ALLEGED EXPERIMENT HAS BEEN INDEPENDENTLY VERIFIED"
1882526;1545410450;asciilifeform;there's euglena in the water, yes. but in this case mircea_popescu is seeing dust on microscope lens.
1882527;1545410451;mircea_popescu;this was the wikipedia golden age, and it left us with "social sciences" and "earth sciences" and code of conducts and so on.
1882528;1545410465;mircea_popescu;which dust is this then ?
1882529;1545410491;asciilifeform;afaik the 'golf clubs' people are 100% using actual microshit spreadshit, not emacses.
1882530;1545410512;mircea_popescu;well, orgmode gives them the option to either.
1882531;1545410577;asciilifeform;it could if it actually did same thing, lol
1882532;1545410598;mircea_popescu;and speaking of wikipedia : "Almost orthogonally, Org-mode has functionalities aimed at executing code in various external languages ; these functionalities form org-babel, "A Multi-Language Computing Environment for Literate Programming and Reproducible Research."
1882533;1545410628;mircea_popescu;retrofiring revolver alfie. your not using it that way has no bearing.
1882534;1545410631;asciilifeform;you can put whatever you like in an elisp, incl. shell callouts, just like in bash, noose at 11
1882535;1545410644;asciilifeform;it's an ordinary revolver. ( of very small calibre. )
1882536;1545410645;mircea_popescu;but ~a certain kind of putting~ has ~a specific name~.
1882537;1545410749;mircea_popescu;"oh mp, just because orgmode evidently made by a certain kind of idiots to support their specific idiocy doesn't mean anything ; and also, when the necessary fruits of that labour of love start pdf-ing their way to the surface, that's just coincidental 3rd party linkage". how far ?
1882538;1545410774;asciilifeform;i suppose for certain kinds of people, 'hammer' is what you use to smash own thumb. for some other kinds, heads. but as far as i'm concerned it's for nails.
1882539;1545410832;mircea_popescu;dood didn't "accidentally omit" the string "idiot" in "check out this moron, spits out pdfs". it was omitted for reasons that have something to do with what orgmode fundamentally is.
1882540;1545410873;asciilifeform;if maggot had never found emacs, as most do not, will maggot on top of sumthingelse.
1882541;1545410898;mircea_popescu;i expect this is true.
1882542;1545410973;asciilifeform;( and the thing, as detailed at length in prev threads, is groaning under the weight of actual wreckers, who poettering-'obsoleted' the working, useful plugins and replaced with ruby, etc 'kraft cheese', e.g.,
1882543;1545410975;asciilifeform;!#s flycheck
1882544;1545410976;a111;65 results for "flycheck", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=flycheck
1882545;1545410977;asciilifeform; )
1882546;1545411006;mircea_popescu;hey, open source allows people to improve and extend.
1882547;1545411024;asciilifeform;'embrace & extinguish'(tm)(r)(microshit central committee, 1990s)
1882548;1545411063;mircea_popescu;so then why tolerate them ?
1882549;1545411104;mircea_popescu;and if you do, how's irreal dork supposed to ever figure out what he's doing is morally reprehensible ?
1882550;1545411141;asciilifeform;i can't think of any reason to tolerate. but i also dun have a from-the-ground replacement for emacs per se.
1882551;1545411154;mircea_popescu;if nobody ever tells greenblatt "do not play on monkey team", what, is greenblat supposed to what, figure it out all on his own ?
1882552;1545411166;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform discussion wasn't re emacs, was re some rando blogger.
1882553;1545411190;asciilifeform;rando blogger which i historically read for elispism.
1882554;1545411198;mircea_popescu;so more power to you.
1882555;1545411246;asciilifeform;( he's pretty close to full-bore snoar naodays, tho. i delouse that linkbar not nearly as often as oughta, beginning to suspect )
1882556;1545411252;mircea_popescu;you asked me if i spit on things merely because i do not use them ; i explained teh reasoning thereof. i dun expect you to ~do~ something as a result of this, besides i guess saying "oh, i see what your issue is"
1882557;1545411333;asciilifeform;some people dunlike dogs, for instance, and refer to'em as armored personnel carriers for fleas. in this case so happens that i like dog. so interested in whether mircea_popescu was going from a 'dogs, who needs'em' angle or spotted flea in particular.
1882558;1545411344;mircea_popescu;or not see, either way, i'm just saying, "no, it's not that i spit because i do not use ; but vice versa".
1882559;1545411457;mircea_popescu;in other vaguely related line, person recently pointed out "you know, your screen+vi&bash combo is almost like emacs for retards", to much private merriment.
1882560;1545411508;asciilifeform;in point of fact there are serious design flaws in emacs that make dog/flea separation extremely difficult. but iirc we already had that thread not long ago.
1882561;1545411678;asciilifeform;for instance, asciilifeform has '9000' processes on this and other boxen, where uses 'screen+bash+etc for tards' even though theoretically 'could emacs' ( see also e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-03#1869024 ) , because they ~must not crash~ and emacs is unthreaded and hosable
1882562;1545411678;a111;Logged on 2018-11-03 00:16 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-02#1869016 << this is prolly a neato item but (to the possible surprise of some people) asciilifeform doesn't 'live in emacs' in the sense of using it for things that ain't files-on-disk editing
1882563;1545411723;mircea_popescu;aha! that was my exact line also. "glhf, bsoemacs"
1882564;1545411834;asciilifeform;and , not unrelatedly, asciilifeform sees the great crime of rms , to specifically be his pushing of 'kraft cheese' emacs + toolchains as 'just as good as real thing', witness e.g. https://archive.is/ws2qk#selection-5591.110-5591.271
1882565;1545411866;asciilifeform;( on actual lispm, in working condition, there was ~no such thing as 'crash' )
1882566;1545411908;mircea_popescu;i can absolutely see the angle.
1882567;1545411917;mircea_popescu;here is sound "just like rms", but why ? cuz where's the real one keks.
1882568;1545411930;mircea_popescu;too busy whining about imaginary laptops and inane bs like that.
1882569;1545411938;asciilifeform;and, like mircea_popescu , i also dun buy the excuse that 'lispm was expensive, i HAD to write kraft cheese for cheap micros'
1882570;1545411954;asciilifeform;oughta have instead died trying to close that mg embrasure.
1882571;1545411996;asciilifeform;it dun take THAT many moar transistors to build non-overflowable-arithm etc. iron.
1882572;1545412020;asciilifeform;( certainly not the 2 ~billion~ intel crapola put for tlb cache so that microshit can be slightly less molasses )
1882573;1545412270;asciilifeform;lm was 'expensive' cuz hand-sewn from 74xxx. but just 4 yrs after rms went off to derp with unix, thing fit on single crystal, just like i386, it's the item in asciilifeform's vivisection table in fact.
1882574;1545412339;asciilifeform;( and in same interval went from aston-martin to toyota price. and could've proceeded to motorcycle price if the co were run by smart folx.)
1882575;1545412612;asciilifeform;from my pov it's hilariously funny, that rms et al ~set the table~ for microshit.
1882576;1545412715;asciilifeform;that's what peddling 'just as good as actual cheese' does, in the end -- sets the table for 'hey i have a just-as-just-as-good , with flashier gui and endorsement from ibm' etc.
1882577;1545412856;asciilifeform;intel did 'even better', by rolling the field back to ~before time of babbage~, who, recall, managed to eat ~20% of brit empire budget simply on promise of baking ~log table~ without eggogs ( and , arguably in a kind of 19th c. bolix affair, succeeded but overran cost to death )
1882578;1545412869;asciilifeform;intel managed to reintroduce log eggog !
1882579;1545413457;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-15#1841764
1882580;1545413457;a111;Logged on 2018-08-15 14:52 mircea_popescu: incidentally, since we're doing lost arts, where the fuck did i state the pantsuit's problem of integration (ie, that pantsuitism doesn't stand a chance in the republic because the republic integrates it) in the terminology that "this sword cuts for them a portion of the way and for us the whole way" ? ie, that they're always dependent on state, whatever shit they come up with gotta be carefully ~stopped~ on various slippery
1882581;1545413506;mircea_popescu;i dunno, original portion of the way sword cuts thing seems much older than 2018.
1882582;1545413822;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: possibly in the orig 'bitcoin corrupts'(tm) thread ?
1882583;1545413839;mircea_popescu;i think so.
1882584;1545415166;feedbot;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2875 << Loper OS -- Finite Field Arithmetic. Chapter 14A-Bis: Barretts Modular Reduction. (Physical Bounds Proof.)
1882585;1545415172;asciilifeform;^ in other noose.
1882586;1545415530;asciilifeform;it's funny, or perhaps only to asciilifeform , that one can buy a kilometre of dead tree, in multiple langs, re 'crypto', and not find this illustration therein.
1882587;1545415600;asciilifeform;( not even in the ridiculously 100bux/copy oxford press 'finite precision number systems and arithmetic' backbreaker for chip maker folx )
1882588;1545415659;asciilifeform;i still suspect that proof won't 'Officially Count' cuz 'not pdf.' (tho hey, i have a coupla uniturds, and even a lolcat!111 )
1882589;1545421050;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/12/trump-makes-end-of-year-push-mattis-out-syria-and-afghanistan-withdrawals-and-shutdown-showdown-over-border-wall/ << Qntra -- Trump Makes End Of Year Push  Mattis Out, Syria and Afghanistan Withdrawals, and Shutdown Showdown Over Border Wall
1882590;1545421317;trinque;threatening the longest government shutdown ever, what a guy.
1882591;1545421394;trinque;they need to start rumbling about impeachment next, get him properly incensed.
1882592;1545421428;asciilifeform;hey it's how they dethroned nixon. ( the unforgivable 'crime' was not the burglar derpery, but withdrawal from vietnam )
1882593;1545421509;trinque;chairman orange has already said "half the country will revolt" if dethroned. wouldn't mind to see what if, not that I'm holding my breath.
1882594;1545421510;asciilifeform;usg.red wants withdraw from viet^H^Hganistan like usg.blue wants withdraw from syria like flea wants dog to be washed.
1882595;1545421652;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/12/chest-issues-continue-piling-up-for-octagenarian-pantsuit-bench-warmer/ << Qntra -- Chest Issues Continue Piling up For Octagenarian Pantsuit Bench Warmer
1882596;1545421671;asciilifeform;trinque: mcfood-eaters will 'revolt' (by whining on reddit, or, in best case, oregon-ranching around) , and even that strictly if mcfood supply interrupted.
1882597;1545421759;BingoBoingo;^ Well, the clock is ticking
1882598;1545421784;BingoBoingo;Headed for Andrew Jackon style breakdown if Trump gets a third pick
1882599;1545421826;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: d00d won't even use the few buttons that still connected to anyffing. (e.g. could've easily pardoned those derps of his that the pantsuits recently jailed )
1882600;1545421877;asciilifeform;there's 0 on paper to keep him from 'you can have all the freisler trials you like, i'ma pardon erryone'
1882601;1545421984;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 'his' judges aint even his in any particular sense. ( observe that he had to appoint 'respectable' derps, rather than e.g. his own children or whatever loyals , to court )
1882602;1545422316;asciilifeform;iirc i said this after end of yr1 of trumpreich, 'guess what, still can't tell who is in white house by looking out of my window'. and can say it again at end of 2nd yr. machine is built for continuation of 'biz as usual' at all costs, and will work while it has physically with what.
1882603;1545422344;asciilifeform;d00d knows that if he tries to push buttons that are nominally connected to sumthing, will 'slip in bathtub' and replaced with bush III or whoever.
1882604;1545422368;asciilifeform;so stuck pushing the ones that make various arcade noises.
1882605;1545422430;BingoBoingo;As far as I can tell other than the young Barron, his children ain't all that loyal
1882606;1545422435;asciilifeform;presumably it's satisfying, tho i cannot fathom how.
1882607;1545422565;asciilifeform;cattle dun revolt, and castrated cattle dun even stampede. during obummer reign, police pushed, what, 10mil ameri-sads out of 'their' houses, which left to rot; and at cost of what, 1, 2 dead sheriffs ?
1882608;1545422633;asciilifeform;even the gassed jews, to this day infamous for boarding the trains 'orderly', nailed moar germans than this.
1882609;1545422679;asciilifeform;( iirc somewhere north of a thousand, just in warsaw )
1882610;1545422722;asciilifeform;ameritardia boasts, what, 1 john stack ? who killed what, 1 night-shift usg janitor.
1882611;1545422940;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: if sad old man had even 1 squad of actual loyal men, there's be tanks bulldozing harvard and rape camps for the http://trilema.com/2013/rape-is-fun-or-lets-fuck-up-adria-richards etc
1882612;1545422982;asciilifeform;but instead, 'biz as usual', no tanks on street, only the garbage truck (which is late again..)
1882613;1545428325;mircea_popescu;hopefully soon to be permanent, that shutdown.
1882614;1545428606;mircea_popescu;pretty much the only way left to go, to these ~irrelevant~ old men with their imaginarily valuable bolix stack : they're cordially invited to withdraw into eternal slumber, like fucking moses. in three to five thousand years some virgin in rural bumfuck somewhere can quote to us "what the truth REALLY WAS 'according to the democratic party'".
1882615;1545428636;mircea_popescu;if you think about it, no other possible solution than "we weren't defeated by events, we merely withdrew into imagination"
1882616;1545428771;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-21#1882599 << could have done a lot more than that : could have dissolved cia ~and~ declassived all documents, permanently, in same executive order.
1882617;1545428771;a111;Logged on 2018-12-21 19:50 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: d00d won't even use the few buttons that still connected to anyffing. (e.g. could've easily pardoned those derps of his that the pantsuits recently jailed )
1882618;1545428798;mircea_popescu;since you speak of nixon (whose principal problem upon assuming office for the first time was 'how to limit influence of pantsuits over at cia')
1882619;1545429399;BingoBoingo;Given both Bush and Hussein Bahamas are CIA legacy admits, it is possible to reread Snowden as a possible CIA plant sent to knock down ambitions of growing competitor NSA
1882620;1545429404;mircea_popescu;in other minutia, i just took possession of ~custom made house slippers~. because you can't fucking buy leather slippers anymore for the love of fuck, "plastic should be enough for everyone".
1882621;1545429462;mircea_popescu;by "cia" i mean 100% of government-sponsored "intelligence community", including all "agencies" and the respective subreddits.
1882622;1545429492;mircea_popescu;simply defund the entire thing. not like it does anything useful ~for trump~. 100% janissary corps.
1882623;1545429817;BingoBoingo;Well, good chunk of CIA.DEA.NSA.FBI revenue is their own drug trafficking operations (though apparently the Chinese are now beating them in the opiates market)
1882624;1545429912;BingoBoingo;The popular MAGA-redditista theory appears to be Trump playing to take intelligence community shit to give to Immigration and Customs Enforcement as new A-team
1882625;1545429967;BingoBoingo;Which... why not conspiracy theory a junta of county sheriffs
1882626;1545429998;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-21#1882613 << soon as bernanketron runs outta green ink -- then yes
1882627;1545429998;a111;Logged on 2018-12-21 21:38 mircea_popescu: hopefully soon to be permanent, that shutdown.
1882628;1545430037;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-21#1882616 << per legend, it's exactly what was on kennedy's desk when he ate bullet
1882629;1545430037;a111;Logged on 2018-12-21 21:46 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-21#1882599 << could have done a lot more than that : could have dissolved cia ~and~ declassived all documents, permanently, in same executive order.
1882630;1545430127;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-21#1882620 << funnily enuff, brother had slippers from su, lasted ~decade; whereas today i buy visually-identical chinesium that's good for ~6mo. tops
1882631;1545430127;a111;Logged on 2018-12-21 21:56 mircea_popescu: in other minutia, i just took possession of ~custom made house slippers~. because you can't fucking buy leather slippers anymore for the love of fuck, "plastic should be enough for everyone".
1882632;1545430155;asciilifeform;( tried the 'premium grades', it's == crapola but for idjits, like most ameri-'premium' materiel )
1882633;1545430248;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-21#1882622 << it's exactly janissary corps. ( and so i suppose we'll know that he tried if his head ends up 'defunded' like the last d00d's )
1882634;1545430248;a111;Logged on 2018-12-21 21:58 mircea_popescu: simply defund the entire thing. not like it does anything useful ~for trump~. 100% janissary corps.
1882635;1545430266;*;BingoBoingo going to primarly be consuming Lechón as the dietary protein while it's in season. Shit's running ~200-300 per kilo.
1882636;1545430280;BingoBoingo;pesos that is
1882637;1545430282;asciilifeform;lol
1882638;1545430287;asciilifeform;i was about to say
1882639;1545430341;BingoBoingo;Last year this time a 100 peso note was roughly similar to a 4 USD bill. Now the same 100 peso note has almost fallen to be a 3 USD bill.
1882640;1545430461;BingoBoingo;Anyways, seasonality is a helluva thing. Chicken doesn't get that cheap here.
1882641;1545430526;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-21#1882615 << the ameritards 'retreated into imagination' when they gave up industry. it aint precisely news.
1882642;1545430526;a111;Logged on 2018-12-21 21:43 mircea_popescu: if you think about it, no other possible solution than "we weren't defeated by events, we merely withdrew into imagination"
1882643;1545430588;asciilifeform;it's pretty surreal experience, in asciilifeform's archaeology room , when going over pile of boards stamped 'made in usa'
1882644;1545430619;asciilifeform;feels exotic, almost like if were 'сделано в ссср'.
1882645;1545430851;asciilifeform;speaking of 'made in usa' weird : asciilifeform finally hunted down a rom burner that'll do those PALs : it's a 5kg behemoth that's driven by... dos box, via parallel port.
1882646;1545430911;asciilifeform;the vendor, 'bp microsystems', interestingly still in biz. and STILL offers the dos proggy for dload!
1882647;1545430922;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo yeah, let them either earn their walking legs or go under.
1882648;1545430948;asciilifeform;( talk about longevity. turns out , PALs/GALs still used in all sortsa critical systems, errywhere, from nuke plant to bulldozer )
1882649;1545430992;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i have no use for the synthetic "textile" bs.
1882650;1545431000;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's ~toiletpaper
1882651;1545431016;asciilifeform;+ cardboard.
1882652;1545431025;asciilifeform;pretty miserly even on faux-textile, naodays.
1882653;1545431035;mircea_popescu;yes, well, i ain't gonna buy that.
1882654;1545431066;*;asciilifeform walks on just this side of the razor's edge of 'fucking, i'ma make own shoes'
1882655;1545431120;BingoBoingo;Should have went to Pitty Shoes before they closed up shop
1882656;1545431126;asciilifeform;already living with having to make own fucking arithmetron.
1882657;1545431128;asciilifeform;why not also boots.
1882658;1545431170;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: at least 'tits' is still in biz ! (is it?)
1882659;1545431196;BingoBoingo;Yeah, Tits even appears to be growing
1882660;1545431306;BingoBoingo;Whorehouse around the corner also still in business, "Fabrique de Pasta" on the corner however is not.
1882661;1545431441;BingoBoingo;Ice cream place still open as well
1882662;1545436419;*;asciilifeform in other noose, generating coupla 10k test vectors for ffa ch14b. theory is great, and 'test can reveal presence of bugs but not absence'(tm)(r), but imho gotta have these
1882663;1545436448;asciilifeform;also will double as platform litmus for constanttimeitude of iron mul etc.
1882664;1545436562;asciilifeform;i'ma sign an' post these with the rest of the thing.
1882665;1545436582;asciilifeform;( they won't be in the vpatch, tho, cuz 50MB vpatch would be a sad joke )
1882666;1545437359;mircea_popescu;i don't follow the logic ? are they that big or aren't they that big ?
1882667;1545437510;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: example, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/modexp_tests/10k_shots_512bit_ffa_slid_rnd.tape
1882668;1545437529;asciilifeform;(above, ~5.5MB)
1882669;1545437723;asciilifeform;it's a test pattern made from fg output and ch.13 modexp, by way of http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/nNFe8/?raw=true and http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/47llm/?raw=true .
1882670;1545437779;asciilifeform;* mircea_popescu has quit (Ping timeout << lol didja try an' run the test and overheat yer box
1882671;1545437857;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they're exactly analogous to diana_coman's keccak test patterns, and can be made as large or small as one wants.
1882672;1545437877;asciilifeform;all it costs is some mains current.
1882673;1545438479;asciilifeform;these'll come in 2 variants (and for a selection of bitnesses) , 'uniform' and 'slid'; the former has 3 entirely FGistic args per modexp, and the latter also has'em shifted by random bitness (to give leading 0s, while excluding the prohibited div0 of 'mod 0' ) .
1882674;1545438490;asciilifeform;*shifted right
1882675;1545438550;asciilifeform;on proper (i.e. constanttimeistic iron mul) irons, 'uniform' and 'slid' test vectors will give same (to within timer jitter) runtimes when fed to ffa (of either ch13 or ch14 variety.)
1882676;1545438612;asciilifeform;on defective (i.e. non-constanttime iron mul, or any other similar defect) they will give variant runtimes.
1882677;1545438665;asciilifeform;on utterly defective iron (under cosmic rays??) they will print eggogs, cuz answer of some modexp somewhere dun match the given.
1882678;1545438719;asciilifeform;i dun presently own any examples of the last two mentioned irons, so gonna need some help (anybody have a ppc?)
1882679;1545438870;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-22#1882675 << before anyone nitpicks, gotta clarify, obv. very diff timings b/w 13 and 14. but will be uniform ~within~ particular ch./bitness .
1882680;1545438870;a111;Logged on 2018-12-22 00:29 asciilifeform: on proper (i.e. constanttimeistic iron mul) irons, 'uniform' and 'slid' test vectors will give same (to within timer jitter) runtimes when fed to ffa (of either ch13 or ch14 variety.)
1882681;1545439284;asciilifeform;the correct answs to the test patterns will be same regardless of how modexp is performed, today or 100y from nao. so handy test.
1882682;1545439347;asciilifeform;( and yes i'll be surprised if we dun find that somebody has a box with rotten nonecc ram , or similar, and exposed by this. )
1882683;1545439705;asciilifeform;it is very easy to produce tests like this, cuz ffa tapes can (elementarily) print ffa tapes. ( this is essential, is how e.g. key genning worx )
1882684;1545439803;asciilifeform;tuned-in folx will recall that exactly this, was exercise 1 of ch5, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2071#selection-2965.0-2973.10 .
1882685;1545439924;asciilifeform;aand with that, i'ma bbl.
1882686;1545453484;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-22#1882670 << nah, just moved over here.
1882687;1545453484;a111;Logged on 2018-12-22 00:16 asciilifeform: * mircea_popescu has quit (Ping timeout << lol didja try an' run the test and overheat yer box
1882688;1545453511;mircea_popescu;anyways, i don't expect you have to or should vpatch the ~data~. is thar what you meant by "vectors" ?
1882689;1545453880;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha, term of art
1882690;1545453908;asciilifeform;( anybody can generate own set, via the given method )
1882691;1545453924;mircea_popescu;yeaok.
1882692;1545495976;lobbes;spyked: as planned I have turned lobbesbot's rss-o-tron offline- feel free to have feedbot join #eulora at your convenience
1882693;1545497367;spyked;lobbes: all done. feedbot will now send rss notifications from all feeds #eulora has been subscribed to. let me know if it encounters any trouble.
1882694;1545497755;mircea_popescu;pretty cool.
1882695;1545497818;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/12/fats-outraged-after-california-zoo-fatshames-chunky-otter/ << Qntra -- Fats Outraged After California Zoo Fatshames Chunky Otter
1882696;1545497830;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo can i get a shared hosting instance briefly spun up so i test drive it ? i have like a suspicion mp-wp is subtly broken in places, maybe, or something's afoot.
1882697;1545497957;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Sure. I'll spin one up for you. GPGgram me an ssh public key.
1882698;1545498114;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/VaZij/?raw=true
1882699;1545498196;diana_coman;BingoBoingo, "outaged" ?
1882700;1545498214;mircea_popescu;lol he fixed it in the title...
1882701;1545498216;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: ty, fxd
1882702;1545498261;mircea_popescu;anyway, nfi what their racism angle is, most girls to call themselves "thicc" i ever saw were white (a subtrope of how "most girls to everything -- white, there's barely any blacks extant anyway).
1882703;1545498533;mircea_popescu;in other news, this businessinsider piece on "where people moved on to tumblr now that tumblr went all clinton" is entirely worthless. like it's the 1990s all over again and granny brings you "a different game just as good" she found in the discount bin because wtf is this warcraft thing anyway.
1882704;1545498550;mircea_popescu;the question stands as such, where's the place for me to from:mircea haslink:true from now on ?!
1882705;1545498565;mircea_popescu;i'm totally NOT blowing the dust off ye olde ro chan thing for fuck's sake.
1882706;1545498678;mircea_popescu;(and yes, in general the same process should yield, tumblr got picked because google kept popping it up. but we DEFINITELY live in the age of retardation, google is as useful for search as soviet mall is for shopping.)
1882707;1545498729;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they had 'porn purge' powered by that 'ai', the one which picks up lolcats as cunt etc
1882708;1545498763;mircea_popescu;yes, i recall, since http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881337
1882709;1545498763;a111;Logged on 2018-12-18 07:39 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in "tumblr goes full retard", https://i.ibb.co/HrXHSKJ/tumblr.jpg
1882710;1545498778;*;diana_coman is impressed with asciilifeform's lolcat skillz in latest ffa proof :D
1882711;1545498891;mircea_popescu;lol
1882712;1545498969;asciilifeform;why ty diana_coman
1882713;1545499056;asciilifeform;lolcat is a powerful instrument, to be used sparingly, but imho nothing less would've sufficed for that part of the proof.
1882714;1545499122;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in etrange, https://cdn02.bdsmlr.com/uploads/pictures/2015/03/154/bdsmlr-142-aBDNPrbD8Q1.jpg
1882715;1545499158;asciilifeform;lol redditbag
1882716;1545499178;*;asciilifeform always pictured 'redditbag' as having a standardized 'face' printed
1882717;1545499356;mircea_popescu;hey, "apple has had a homogenizing and sanitizing effect on '''the internet''' (ie, the special reservation for morons, retards and other debris finding its way the fuck out since 1993)."
1882718;1545499385;mircea_popescu;they found the standardkeepers -- those morons who still haven't figured out cabling.
1882719;1545499438;asciilifeform;y'mean aol? ( crapple only reluctantly even sold modem, in '93 )
1882720;1545499466;mircea_popescu;no, i mean apple. they're still out there trying to sell three inch "cables" for 19.95 aren't they ?
1882721;1545499474;asciilifeform;100!
1882722;1545499475;asciilifeform;inflation!
1882723;1545499490;mircea_popescu;right, 100 in today's dollars, almost a nickel.
1882724;1545499499;asciilifeform;mno, 100 ~now~
1882725;1545499510;mircea_popescu;right!
1882726;1545499558;diana_coman;asciilifeform, phf I've signed and mirrored ch6 of ffa: http://ossasepia.com/reference-code-shelf/#selection-603.0-617.46
1882727;1545499563;asciilifeform;( i could go on at length, they've reached heights of lulz unknown even in 1990s, when they at least sold standard hdds. today even the drives have custom pinouts, cost 10 : 1 vs ordinary )
1882728;1545499577;asciilifeform;diana_coman: ty ! i'ma roll this (and your prev sigs) into the currently-baking ch
1882729;1545499594;asciilifeform;btw diana_coman since you read 1-6, you can nao rsa!11
1882730;1545499617;asciilifeform;( per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881564 )
1882731;1545499617;a111;Logged on 2018-12-18 20:14 asciilifeform: i can actually think of applications where you'd want 100% egypt.
1882732;1545499621;diana_coman;heh, yes: vjuh!
1882733;1545499645;asciilifeform;literally simplest possible (afaik) rsa.
1882734;1545499670;diana_coman;I actually timed it on a comp and it's not *that* bad,no
1882735;1545499699;asciilifeform;if yer sending a probe to pluto, it'll actually rsa faster than the time of signal bounce, yes
1882736;1545499859;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: re crapple lulz : bolixtron lives in a mid-90s crapple, and it's surprisingly better in buncha ways than their current offering (standard cabling, ultrascsi hdd, apparently standard period rams , ordinary vga, etc )
1882737;1545499868;mircea_popescu;aha.
1882738;1545499928;mircea_popescu;aaanyways, not really worth doing one of these other than as a distributed store, and so on.
1882739;1545500018;asciilifeform;( tho, interestingly, this 'quadra 650' machine , per https://archive.is/G2Gd0 , orig. sold (empty!) for ~2400 (1993!) orcbux. )
1882740;1545500032;asciilifeform;i.e. almost toyota in current .
1882741;1545500035;mircea_popescu;hey, 14 inch monitors were four digit also.
1882742;1545500041;asciilifeform;i recall
1882743;1545500139;asciilifeform;they had'em in the school i ended up in when went to usa
1882744;1545500158;asciilifeform;i remember thinking 'where the fuck is the rom basic'
1882745;1545500198;asciilifeform;'how come our '82 3rdhand 'commodore' has basic and these mega-comps dunhave'
1882746;1545500249;mircea_popescu;i took it as a "freedom" : back in soviety, had to have basic, here can install w/e one wants.
1882747;1545500286;mircea_popescu;worked quite well in the dos/borland days.
1882748;1545500296;asciilifeform;never (at least then) located a programmable-anyffin that ran on these. all i managed to do was find how to get to the rom forth and hose the 'lockdowned' boxen
1882749;1545500310;mircea_popescu;and while gw-basic sucked balls, qbasic was a pleasure, and to this day a standard too far -- for eg, emacs, or for whatever.
1882750;1545500310;asciilifeform;to the delight of the other inmates
1882751;1545500357;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i fiddled with 'quickbasic' (the 'non-crippled' ver of microshit 'qbasic' for more yrs than care to admit
1882752;1545500376;asciilifeform;found how inline asm etc
1882753;1545500390;mircea_popescu;had ooda loop!
1882754;1545500393;diana_coman;uhm, esthlos's blog at blog.esthlos.com gives for me "error establishing a database connection"?? yo, esthlos, what are you doing those days?
1882755;1545500411;mircea_popescu;diana_coman confirmed.
1882756;1545500416;mircea_popescu;apparently he went away ?
1882757;1545500425;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: phunphakt, msdos 'edit' is actually qbasic exe , with a few NOP'd bytes
1882758;1545500427;diana_coman;the summaries link is still working from what I can see
1882759;1545500434;diana_coman;but for the rest...no idea really
1882760;1545500591;asciilifeform;diana_coman: maybe he comes back. or, whoknows , some folx tune out but leave box on autopilot for ~years~ (e.g. mike_c did, or for instance Framedragger's log thing still worked as of coupla wks ago when i last looked.. )
1882761;1545500647;asciilifeform;for that matter : some folx have net access in their tombs ! behold : http://naggum.no << loads
1882762;1545501361;feedbot;http://bimbo.club/2018/12/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-november-and-december-1715-part-iv/ << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of November and December, 1715 - Part IV.
1882763;1545501406;asciilifeform;in other weird, apparently ye olde crapples had no way to physically anchor the 'nubus' cards to the case -- they just relied on the mechanical friction of the connector. and strangely enuff, thing survived shipping, not loose at all.
1882764;1545501465;asciilifeform;( aint even a card-edge connector, like isa,pci,et al, but ye olde 'eurocard' thingie, with pins, like the old suns had )
1882765;1545501590;mircea_popescu;nicoleci "Thereare" << your leads miss a space on all paragraph.
1882766;1545501794;nicoleci;mircea_popescu, ah thank you. fixing now
1882767;1545501892;nicoleci;fixed :)
1882768;1545501969;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: May your testing be fruitful http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/sS9cR/?raw=true
1882769;1545502084;mircea_popescu;ty
1882770;1545502264;asciilifeform;to revisit upstack, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-22#1882749 << there still aint anyffing (on pc, rather than bolixisms etc) that even equals the handiness of turboc & watcom (ideological successor, arguably) -- i.e. with the single-stepping inside editor, etc
1882771;1545502264;a111;Logged on 2018-12-22 17:38 mircea_popescu: and while gw-basic sucked balls, qbasic was a pleasure, and to this day a standard too far -- for eg, emacs, or for whatever.
1882772;1545502295;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Let me know if you have any questions or suggestions.
1882773;1545502307;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo wait, this ~doesn't~ come with preinstalled mp-wp ?
1882774;1545502324;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform f7!!!
1882775;1545502332;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha!
1882776;1545502333;mircea_popescu;jesus i mashed f7 more than any other key before or hence
1882777;1545502334;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I can set one up for you
1882778;1545502352;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo somehow i had this idea you just keep around a standard version that's auto-rolled into shared hosting users
1882779;1545502363;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: he does, it's BingoBoingo-powered
1882780;1545502370;mircea_popescu;(seeing how there's ~nothing else for them to do on a shared acct anyway ; at any rate it's been why i funelled them)
1882781;1545502373;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i don't get it ?
1882782;1545502380;asciilifeform;manual process, afaik
1882783;1545502426;mircea_popescu;am i missing something here ? either it is or it isn't -- {automated ; identical}
1882784;1545502473;asciilifeform;manual+identical
1882785;1545502481;mircea_popescu;hm.
1882786;1545502496;mircea_popescu;well BingoBoingo can i then have the item installed, since that's what i'm trying to test.
1882787;1545502501;asciilifeform;( a la http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-21#1882559 )
1882788;1545502501;a111;Logged on 2018-12-21 16:57 mircea_popescu: in other vaguely related line, person recently pointed out "you know, your screen+vi&bash combo is almost like emacs for retards", to much private merriment.
1882789;1545502502;mircea_popescu;the specific installation.
1882790;1545502506;BingoBoingo;Installing now
1882791;1545502508;mircea_popescu;ty.
1882792;1545503768;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/n6ngQ/?raw=true << http://88isp.net/wp-login.php
1882793;1545503784;mircea_popescu;ty!
1882794;1545503887;*;mircea_popescu likes the pizarro 32char pws.
1882795;1545503972;BingoBoingo;It's not like the extra characters come with extra cost
1882796;1545504092;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo so here's the problem : in http://88isp.net/wp-admin/post-new.php as extant in current install, there's two major items missing : 1) the html view (tab is there, but apparently unlinked to anything) and 2) the upload/insert (pops up some version of media-upload.php with article references etc on sane installs).
1882797;1545504141;mircea_popescu;this completely breaks it, at least as far as my workflow is concerned, because i never use anything besides 1 and you can't very practically get images in without 2. they're both core functionality of why i even bother with mp-wp in the first place, rather than some random other solution.
1882798;1545504189;mircea_popescu;now, traditionally 2 is caused by over-aggressive .htaccess settings in wp-admin and wp-admin/js however your .htaccess consists of "#Order deny,allow\n#Deny from all\n#Allow from all"
1882799;1545504257;mircea_popescu;which is not even sane (seeing how if uncommented the server croaks) and anyway dysfunctional (really, mp-wp installation is vulnerable to cookie hijacking, you're supposed to lock down wp-admin by ip, especially if you're going to be clicking on random links).
1882800;1545504303;mircea_popescu;i suspect breakage somewhere along the way, because iirc hanbot 's mp-wp that i testrun at some point had these.
1882801;1545504312;*;BingoBoingo listens puts press mp-wp again on the agenda
1882802;1545504374;mircea_popescu;neways, will have to get to the bottom of this, because "visual" mode is both stupid and orgmode-like ; and really can't blog w/o pics, take nicoleci 's latest task, she gotta put in the orig pics or else what are we doing here.
1882803;1545504593;*;BingoBoingo remembers something happening to tinymce down the line with hanbots patches to mp-wp will have to dig to see what happened. Neither of the editor tabs appear to be linked to anything in the mp-wp's I've pressed recently. They've just been html input/view boxes.
1882804;1545504598;BingoBoingo;The uploader though...
1882805;1545504664;BingoBoingo;That I  will try digging into more
1882806;1545504683;mircea_popescu;aite.
1882807;1545504864;BingoBoingo;I'm not sure I've used an mp-wp install with a functional image uploader yet.
1882808;1545505006;mircea_popescu;but i mean... http://thewhet.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/cml4.jpg ?
1882809;1545505160;*;BingoBoingo goes to logread and work on documentation hole
1882810;1545505355;BingoBoingo;and maybe spin up another new test instance or two.
1882811;1545505691;mircea_popescu;having a perma-test one isn't even the end of the world, let people try before.
1882812;1545506175;BingoBoingo;I suspect the end result is a recipe that involves a bit more user configuration, not the end of the world
1882813;1545508217;*;asciilifeform fixed a coupla swapped = vs - signs in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2875 , nfi why it took me 20+ rereads to notice..
1882814;1545508294;asciilifeform;dunno if i said before, but these are a 1st-class bitch to write.
1882815;1545508304;asciilifeform;100% hand-keyed htm liquishit.
1882816;1545508430;*;asciilifeform considered to write a proggy to generate'em, but then thought better, 'would then have ~2~ problems'
1882817;1545508514;asciilifeform;i also dun wanna encourage the imho sad heathen thing where folx write 'take proggy and generate diagram'. imho proper proggy oughta be baked in such a way as to make this unnecessary, should be derivable from the description, rather than vice-versa.
1882818;1545508567;*;asciilifeform bbl,tea
1882819;1545520791;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo adding to the list of weird : preview button doesn't work either for some reason (expected behaviour : puts up a "as it'd look if published" article view ; actual behaviour : redirects one to an empty add article page).
1882820;1545520830;mircea_popescu;the cause is that it apparently doesn't auto-save drafts (resolved if one manually saves a draft). imo autosave nice feature to have.
1882821;1545520867;mircea_popescu;also  ((123 kekekek.)) isn't translated to footnotes. hey hanbot did you ever include footnote plugin or did that get dropped somewhere in the interim ?
1882822;1545524097;BingoBoingo;Weird addred to list
1882823;1545524114;BingoBoingo;Other thing on the to do list, selection doesn't work on default theme iirc
1882824;1545524188;mircea_popescu;skeleton blogotron!
1882825;1545525126;BingoBoingo;Well, the list of with what meat to glue onto the bones is coming together
1882826;1545526833;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-29#1876124 << in other news, I figured out the cause of my node's sad: I'm an idjit and didn't set up proper periodic debug.log clearing (thing was 226 GB O-o). Truncating via a "truncate -s 0 /home/lobbes/.bitcoin/debug.log" did the trick; noad now is at 411015 (after being wedged at exactly 386827 for months).
1882827;1545526833;a111;Logged on 2018-11-29 23:16 lobbes really needs to get hands into that thing and feel around
1882828;1545526838;lobbes;http://trinque.org/2018/11/27/cuntoo-bootstrapper/#comment-47 << to update: I ended up having to re-run the bootstrapper.sh as the first time around I neglected to get the correct kernel. Second run I was able to boot from teh usb on the lenovo x61 (exciting seeing that 'Cuntoo' in the lilo bootloader). Next up is testing a subsequent install onto the main HD of the x61 from the usb. (Once complete I aim
1882829;1545526844;lobbes;to write up a blog poast of all my steps along with the kernel config I used for the lenovo)
1882830;1545526847;lobbes;Btw, here is the vpatch of my second-run >> http://lobbesblog.com/static/genesis_2018_12_22.vpatch. Just to test, I used the 'classic' vdiff in lieu of my keccak vdiffer, but the sig still did not verify for me. Possibly just something I fucked along the way though
1882831;1545526886;*;lobbes is going to be road travelling for the next few days so may not be able to respond to pings right away. However I'll be reading logs and will respond to any pings upon return
1882832;1545528221;trinque;pretty cool lobbes. I don't know that I've heard anyone report yet that it didn't boot for them. I've still got more work to do to make the genesis.vpatch unform across runs.
1882833;1545534507;trinque;to clarify, it's uniform across same-machine runs, but apparently not between machines.
1882834;1545541919;mircea_popescu;the more i think about this whole serpent business, the more it becomes evident that the ~only~ way to have a cipher (not encryption, ie, asym keys, but enciphering, ie, simmetric keys) stronger than serpent is to ~mix rng bits~. ie, the weakest cipher is the one where len(E) = len(P), and they're all equally week, and 1 serpent worth. to go stronger, you must have something that has len(E) = a len(P) + b sorta thing. the key
1882835;1545541919;mircea_popescu; schedule will then not merely "mix" the P bits but also explain how to separate the R bits out of E.
1882836;1545543112;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: we had thread, i suggested several algos for specifically this
1882837;1545543144;asciilifeform;will dig it up after sleep
1882838;1545545684;mircea_popescu;aha.
1882839;1545554015;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, re ((123)) comments my plugin at least requires a space i.e. (( 123))
1882840;1545554615;mircea_popescu;afaik it's space before so " ((" rather than simply "(("
1882841;1545577065;mircea_popescu;in other news, there's apparently such a place as humble, texas.
1882842;1545579809;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/the-lesbian-in-winter/ << Trilema -- The lesbian in Winter.
1882843;1545579928;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: re the ciphers : it's the item asciilifeform regularly comes back to, iirc most recently in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-22#1742198 , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-14#1613906 , but also we did the luby variant of same, and iirc earliest discussion was the http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-24#1589881 thing ( and mircea_popescu's various extensions of subj )
1882844;1545579928;a111;Logged on 2017-11-22 21:45 asciilifeform: anyway for 512bit key, you still keep the 128bit block. but each time you have incoming 128b plaintext, you shamir it rngistically into 512bits, i.e. 4 128b parcels that must be xor'd to reconstitute the original. each of these get ciphered with one of 4 independently-generated 128b keys.
1882845;1545579928;a111;Logged on 2017-02-14 19:19 asciilifeform: specifically, for every byte you intend to send, you instead send two: x, y. which you generate by obtaining rng byte r, and payload byte b,  and x := b xor r, y := r
1882846;1545579928;a111;Logged on 2016-12-24 01:03 asciilifeform: picture the following 1-dimensional automaton, that eats bitstring in sets of 2bits, and : '10' -> 'tape step left' ; '01' -> 'tape step right' ; '11' -> invert bit at current square; '00' -> terminate.
1882847;1545579949;mircea_popescu;i guess that makes two of us.
1882848;1545579971;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah, kinda in the vein of my algo hash thing. but honestly i'd prefer an algebraic form.
1882849;1545579999;asciilifeform;it has strong smell of The Right Thing, but i cannot claim to have nailed down precisely how it oughta go, just yet.
1882850;1545580065;asciilifeform;the simplest algebraic variant is shamir's split (which trivially nukes 'knownplaintextism'). but it introduces a usable relationship b/w plaintexts, which is The Wrong Thing, and is how i ended up with 'hmm automata?' etc
1882851;1545580554;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1882852;1545580627;mircea_popescu;i think basically the point here is to summarize what was found. and that's specifically that a) there's no meaningful discussion of "better" or "worse" ciphers worth having when by "cipher" one understands "mixing in 0 entropy".
1882853;1545580645;mircea_popescu;this is the fundamental cost here : EITHER have asymmetric keys, or ELSE leak entropy.
1882854;1545580652;mircea_popescu;the gods demand a sacrifice.
1882855;1545580728;asciilifeform;per shannon, ~all~ methods other than otp (i.e. where key is shorter than payload) 'leak entropy'. the q is just how much, and how to even quantify.
1882856;1545580754;mircea_popescu;kinda states differently ye olde "ciphers are not worth having when encryption's available". IF you have rng to piss out, might as well find some primes.
1882857;1545580784;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, the question of what % of the "entropy" leaked was entropic. obviously from chtulhu's pov your message's just as delicious entropy as any other.
1882858;1545580802;mircea_popescu;give him some messages you don't care about, is the idea.
1882859;1545581034;asciilifeform;important not to confound the shannon bit with the practical. sending a dozen rsagrams, for instance, 'leaks' (in the sense where it is not difficult to derive) the public mod; which contains (again, from shannon pov, obv. nobody knows how to extract it trivially) the private.
1882860;1545581197;asciilifeform;currently nobody's got algo that doesn't do this (aside from the degenerate case of otp.)
1882861;1545581241;asciilifeform;near as i can tell, if there's been any movement on that front since 1940s, nobody's talking.
1882862;1545581299;asciilifeform;!#s trapdoor
1882863;1545581300;a111;20 results for "trapdoor", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=trapdoor
1882864;1545581302;asciilifeform;^ see also.
1882865;1545581546;mircea_popescu;meanwhile over at the intelligent moron farms, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/TvslL/?raw=true
1882866;1545581591;asciilifeform;( the mega-q, from asciilifeform's pov, is whether it is possible to make a bridge b/w shannon's result and the practical, i.e. to demonstrate a method where key is smaller than payload (i.e. not otp) but where the actual leakage of key bits per N message bits sent, can be ~quantified~ with upper bound. )
1882867;1545581630;mircea_popescu;rather, where leakage of key bits can be ~geographically bound~.
1882868;1545581640;mircea_popescu;if i get something like "only odd bits of key can be leaked" we've won.
1882869;1545581648;asciilifeform;i'd be quite interested in ~any~ bound, aha
1882870;1545581656;asciilifeform;currently nobody's got even that.
1882871;1545581726;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: right, it'sa 'all or nuffin' situation, if you prove 'only odd bits leak', all you gotta do is to make the key 2x long, and the even bits are your nonleaking key, etc
1882872;1545581846;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: why exactly ~is~ it that they 'I can't even read the whole subject line' ?
1882873;1545581857;asciilifeform;the site dunwork on ipnoje or wat was it
1882874;1545581872;mircea_popescu;nah, there's an iffy point there, "well.. so how does one get message out, guesses the odd bits you happened to use this time ?!" which is directly a rehash of http://trilema.com/2018/so-i-designed-a-block-chipher/ problem
1882875;1545581909;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: obv 'key' is defined as 'the bits you actually need to get the payload out of the ciphertext', how else
1882876;1545581927;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the innovation of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-22#1882717 consists of the following bit of fighting the patriarchy and checking my privelage : IF their phone is insufficient, THEN reality will be truncated to fit.
1882877;1545581927;a111;Logged on 2018-12-22 17:22 mircea_popescu: hey, "apple has had a homogenizing and sanitizing effect on '''the internet''' (ie, the special reservation for morons, retards and other debris finding its way the fuck out since 1993)."
1882878;1545581940;mircea_popescu;recall how all those old browsers wrote the text out of bounds whenever there was more text than bounds ?
1882879;1545581942;asciilifeform;( and yes it is not difficult to come up with a 'write-only memory' that dun actually give you an openable box, lol )
1882880;1545581960;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha
1882881;1545582039;mircea_popescu;no more of that! the new philosophy of http://trilema.com/2016/i-dont-think-you-understand-how-credit-cards-work/#selection-129.0-133.18 smartiepants is http://trilema.com/2015/racists-and-the-racist-idea/#selection-27.0-29.28
1882882;1545582046;asciilifeform;i find it at least a little surprising that popular heathen www dun display on pnoje, but whoknows, the 'state of the art' in wwwistic dysfunction is always 'advancing'
1882883;1545582155;mircea_popescu;basically, it's supposed to be my problem that their shit's broken. because they live in the best possible world and everything else is rape or w/e, "not understanding the concept of bdsm"
1882884;1545582207;asciilifeform;fwiw i have nfi what the shitlife authors were smoking; even asciilifeform's www ( and yes incl ~all~ the maffs ! ) displays on even the saddest pnoje
1882885;1545582212;asciilifeform;and without horiz. scrolling.
1882886;1545582289;mircea_popescu;i don't think you understand how pervasive this http://trilema.com/2017/little-miss-sunshine/ slash http://trilema.com/2016/vacation/ idiocy is.
1882887;1545582296;mircea_popescu;THATS WHAT THE NINE STEPS ARE ALL ABOUT -- REFUSE TO LOSE!!!
1882888;1545582304;asciilifeform;nah ~that~ part i think i get
1882889;1545582317;asciilifeform;it's where the thing dun display on $nintendo, that's puzzling
1882890;1545582342;mircea_popescu;why ?
1882891;1545582351;asciilifeform;given as good % of the userbase is prolly known to be sitting on nintendos
1882892;1545582356;asciilifeform;what was the author thinking ?
1882893;1545582388;mircea_popescu;Ed Helms, Steve Carell, rando dork, they're all the same guy. lalala can't hear you.
1882894;1545582431;*;asciilifeform teatime,brb
1882895;1545582457;mircea_popescu;The woman even challenges him about it, in no uncertain terms : "you suck", she says, "you've got nothing", she says, "and you can't even admit it".
1882896;1545582473;mircea_popescu;that's what they were thinking. all of them, from "cia" down to the last redditard.
1882897;1545585473;asciilifeform;in largely unrelated lulz, apparently there exists 'radiochromic film', nifty thing with high res and 0 sensitivity to daylight, 0 photochem processing needed, instant photo. but then asciilifeform goes and tries to ~buy~ a pack, and lulz, picture, industrial catalogues with 10,000 items and ~no prices~, apparently thing is distributed entirely 'in wot'
1882898;1545585521;asciilifeform;this kinda thing is normal, sadly, for heavy equipment, but this is the 1st time that i see it for an item in the disposability class of toilet paper
1882899;1545585614;asciilifeform;http://www.gafchromic.com << vendor. supposedly.
1882900;1545585774;asciilifeform;'fish is what we dunhave over at the fish counter!'
1882901;1545585998;asciilifeform;trinque: deedbot ??
1882902;1545586111;trinque;ty asciilifeform
1882903;1545586114;asciilifeform;np
1882904;1545586745;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform Ashland Advanced Materials, Building N and Room 1102, 1005 US Hwy No 202/206, Bridgewater NJ 08807.
1882905;1545586790;mircea_popescu;or you know, AdvancedMaterials@ashland.com. i'm sure they'll send you some.
1882906;1545586896;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: yea that's what i ended up with on my chalkboard, earlier. will give it a shot the old-fashioned way.
1882907;1545586923;asciilifeform;it's still imho weird that there's 0 retail channel. (ordinary film can be had by the megatonne, from 9000 places )
1882908;1545587051;mircea_popescu;why ? almost no usecases.
1882909;1545587583;asciilifeform;lotsa usecases. it's apparently used to calibrate cat scanner & similar machinery.
1882910;1545587601;asciilifeform;( in minutes, vs hours with ordinary film, no chem processing )
1882911;1545587629;asciilifeform;'ooda loop'
1882912;1545594711;BingoBoingo;Aite, mp-wp woes are looking manageable
1882913;1545600365;mircea_popescu;since we're on mp-wp woes : an hero to make mp-wp footnote system NEST would be appreciated. currently works only 1 level deep, maybe once each year or two gotta do lvl2 footnotes by hand.
1882914;1545601311;mircea_popescu;and meanwhile in forensic bimbology, https://cdn02.bdsmlr.com/uploads/pictures/2015/07/154/bdsmlr-142-gP8SqZdlh81.jpg
1882915;1545609701;feedbot;http://pizarroisp.net/2018/12/24/pizarro-update-december-23rd/ << PizarroISP -- Pizarro Update December 23rd
1882916;1545643693;mats;has anyone successfully gotten a trb tx mined in the six months? i have tried several times and not succeeded
1882917;1545646109;mats;to clarify, my trb tx are not apparently being relayed to miners at large
1882918;1545660694;trinque;mats: I have
1882919;1545660721;trinque;http://161.0.121.250 << feel free to drop one in here to test
1882920;1545660739;*;trinque bbl
1882921;1545664800;mircea_popescu;trinque o, nice! can it be wrapped into deedbot ? !!sendtx <raw> or <url> ?
1882922;1545664866;mircea_popescu;(next logical step to "oh, i maintain a node" being, obv, "oh, i maintain a !!sendtx".)
1882923;1545666843;feedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2018/12/24/a-week-in-tmsr-10-16-december-2018/ << Ossasepia -- A Week in TMSR: 10 - 16 December 2018
1882924;1545667137;diana_coman;phf, would it be a big bother to get for me the number of words in the logs for the weeks 26Nov-2Dec, 3Dec-9Dec, 10Dec-16Dec 2018? It's more to satisfy my curiosity on whether the relative sizes match the variation in size of my summaries for those weeks or not.
1882925;1545667145;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/12/russia-phasing-out-usd-in-arms-deals/ << Qntra -- Russia Phasing Out USD In Arms Deals
1882926;1545668268;trinque;mircea_popescu: yeah that's the idea, for sure
1882927;1545668763;danielpbarron;i have gotten a tx to confirm with trb, but i've also had one ignored
1882928;1545669457;trinque;I've been sending trb txn quite a lot for wallet users, haven't had any recent trouble.
1882929;1545671361;mats;trinque: i would love to use that, except stock trb doesn't have create/signrawtxn functionality yet
1882930;1545671456;trinque;that much is true. iirc mod6 had a patch in the works.
1882931;1545671587;mats;i checked my notes, i have had 4 separate tx (with -connect set exclusively to advertised republican nodes) since march fail to be mined, including one this morning. i don't know whether i can determine if they're just not being relayed to the network, or outright being ignored
1882932;1545671685;trinque;eh I think you'll rather want to -addnode republican nodes. -connect is exclusive
1882933;1545671790;mats;ok
1882934;1545671912;trinque;not that it explains why the nodes on the other end didn't relay for you, but there's a lot of layered mystery meat involved.
1882935;1545672575;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-24#1775192 << and speaking of this, it occurs in conversation that romanian doesn't end there. any rotaku wish to try and guess what "bilbidic" might be ?
1882936;1545672575;a111;Logged on 2018-01-24 05:07 mircea_popescu: why, there's many towns all through asia built on tigdic principles.
1882937;1545672612;mircea_popescu;mats you can check by connecting independently to a prb node and checking if it reports it in its mempool.
1882938;1545672659;mircea_popescu;generally the mempool is pretty homogenous (ie, most nodes report the same tx set), but there's always basic stuff (did you include enough fee ?) and so on.
1882939;1545672670;diana_coman;bilbidic or bildibic?
1882940;1545672716;diana_coman;not to mention babalic
1882941;1545672734;diana_coman;and bibic, lol
1882942;1545672842;mircea_popescu;diana_coman what do you mean bildibic ?! it's bilbidic!
1882943;1545672882;diana_coman;ahaha, one of those that changes when you cross the mountains then?
1882944;1545673269;mircea_popescu;apparently!?
1882945;1545673871;diana_coman;onth in dex I found bildibic but not your bilbidic
1882946;1545678087;mircea_popescu;conspiraci
1882947;1545678491;feedbot;http://bvt-trace.net/2018/12/ada-system-calls-mmap-and-stat/ << bvt's backtrace -- Ada System Calls: mmap and stat
1882948;1545679573;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/12/us-treasury-secretary-issued-sunday-night-press-release-assuring-no-clearance-or-margin-issues/ << Qntra -- US Treasury Secretary Issued Sunday Night Press Release Assuring No "Clearance Or Margin" Issues
1882949;1545679994;BingoBoingo;^ RE the wires thread http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-02#1868952
1882950;1545679994;a111;Logged on 2018-11-02 18:43 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo in other http://trilema.com/2016/sad-times-in-the-fiat-empire-apparently-you-cant-give-the-dollar-away-these-days/ news : wire processor informs me that they've a HUGE backlog of usd-to-ourside-reich transfers, and they're barely trickling out.
1882951;1545681099;mircea_popescu;keks.
1882952;1545681116;mircea_popescu;his assurance is worth diddly, but the fact he has to make it...
1882953;1545681164;mircea_popescu;welcome to the argentina event.
1882954;1545681679;BingoBoingo;Right
1882955;1545681736;*;BingoBoingo playing with less spartan mp-wp, enjoying self and preaparing to share this gift
1882956;1545683544;mircea_popescu;sweet.
1882957;1545686177;feedbot;http://bingology.net/2018/12/24/preparations-for-the-second-navidad-in-uruguay/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Preparations For The Second Navidad In Uruguay
1882958;1545693051;*;asciilifeform back at console
1882959;1545693068;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-24#1882916 << me. and damn near errybody. mats i suspect yours is misconfiged ?
1882960;1545693068;a111;Logged on 2018-12-24 09:28 mats: has anyone successfully gotten a trb tx mined in the six months? i have tried several times and not succeeded
1882961;1545693142;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-24#1882923 << these are a delight to read, diana_coman
1882962;1545693142;a111;Logged on 2018-12-24 15:54 feedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2018/12/24/a-week-in-tmsr-10-16-december-2018/ << Ossasepia -- A Week in TMSR: 10 - 16 December 2018
1882963;1545693307;asciilifeform;via BingoBoingo's link, https://archive.is/Q1nHg lulz >> 'Treasury’s website, www.treasury.gov, will not be updated.  However, the following areas will continue to receive regular updates: Financial Sanctions, including the Specially Designated Nationals List (SDN List)... "
1882964;1545693328;asciilifeform;apparently 'shutdown' means 'errything but gestapo'
1882965;1545693608;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-24#1882931 << fwliw i have a 90+% written node-and-tx-hunter with wwwistic frontend etc. but it is currently on shelf, taking back seat to ffa
1882966;1545693608;a111;Logged on 2018-12-24 17:13 mats: i checked my notes, i have had 4 separate tx (with -connect set exclusively to advertised republican nodes) since march fail to be mined, including one this morning. i don't know whether i can determine if they're just not being relayed to the network, or outright being ignored
1882967;1545693627;asciilifeform;( will appear at nodes.nosuchlabs eventually )
1882968;1545695512;mats;oh how embarrassing, i will reinvestigate and report back
1882969;1545696168;asciilifeform;mats: i assume you had most recent mainline trb (i.e. with 'aggression' ) ?
1882970;1545696189;asciilifeform;cuz if not, then no surprise that it dun propagate tx, can't propagate if aint talking to peers
1882971;1545700023;BingoBoingo;Update on the Christmas tradition known as "Hay ladrones por Navidad. Ladrones de los barrios pichis van a Pocitos a robar": God damn this place is rural. Two off road style 4-wheelers seen being ridden by kids in the streets and Police tucked away everywhere drinking Mate and dicking around on their cell phones.
1882972;1545700204;BingoBoingo;And a bunch of Tienda Inglesa locations are apparently going to be open tomorrow.
1882973;1545700381;BingoBoingo;And there is a general transit strike that coincidently happens to overlap with when transit is shut down anyways.
1882974;1545709332;asciilifeform;in other quasi-news, 1 pseudo-puzzler solved, from horse's mouth: 'United States Flags Should Remain at Half- Staff Until Sunset on December 30, 2018 in Honor of George H.W. Bush '
1882975;1545719645;mats;asciilifeform: i used the prev build. after updating to mainline, no issues getting a tx out
1882976;1545735030;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-24#1882961 -> that's great to hear, thank you!
1882977;1545735030;a111;Logged on 2018-12-24 23:12 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-24#1882923 << these are a delight to read, diana_coman
1882978;1545756964;mircea_popescu;kinda addictive to write, too, aren't they.
1882979;1545757902;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/the-outbridge-the-bitches-bow-the-various-things-you-didnt-know/ << Trilema -- The Outbridge, the Bitches' Bow, the various things you didn't know...
1882980;1545759044;asciilifeform;guten tag, mircea_popescu !
1882981;1545759056;mircea_popescu;heya!
1882982;1545759126;asciilifeform;impressive dead bridge. a++ 'indiana jones' tropical hell.
1882983;1545759287;*;asciilifeform meanwhile got hold of a gigantic flatbed scanner, with afaik densest available sensor, '9600x9600 dpi', which in human units is ~3 micron / pixel. which'd be aaaalmost enuff to simply scan the die, if i had the naked die... but i'ma scan the pcbs with it, and the xray film, when i get hold of the latter.
1882984;1545759319;asciilifeform;after that , ch14b, where i found a ~20% (linear) speedup.
1882985;1545759320;mircea_popescu;diana_coman "even whe she" ; the rest ima comment.
1882986;1545759380;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i'm just back from dumping a >500 word comment into diana's blog ; this thing is going critical
1882987;1545759396;mircea_popescu;btw diana_coman can i rely on <b><em><blockquote> working in your comment section ?
1882988;1545759424;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: neato
1882989;1545759441;mircea_popescu;(there's a special settings page for listing allowed tags, and i'm starting to suspect this should be standardized by now -- tho why the fuck is it <b> rather than <very-nice-and-thickly_bold> and wtf is <blockquote>, <bq> was taken ?!)
1882990;1545759475;mircea_popescu;aw shit, and it ate my links! god damn it...
1882991;1545759489;mircea_popescu;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1LlrA/?raw=true << orig.
1882992;1545759545;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: for some a++ depression fuel, try sometime & tally up how much life html tags ate
1882993;1545759564;*;asciilifeform just in this month burned 2+ wks on fucking formattingism
1882994;1545759576;mircea_popescu;not depressing me, because being forewarned permitted me to organize my life around defense.
1882995;1545759598;mircea_popescu;i expect i spent <week total to date with them. which yes, since you ask, i am quite proud of.
1882996;1545759617;mircea_popescu;much like the man who didn't lose the house in MMM hysteria might be proud : naggum has a snippet with y2k
1882997;1545759627;asciilifeform;indeed does
1882998;1545760714;mircea_popescu;and meanwhile in rotaku lulz, http://trilema.com/2012/doua-vorbe-in-directia-generala-a-unei-copile-vaitate/
1882999;1545760737;BingoBoingo;And in other Christmas stories https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/navidad-en-malvin-fiesta-que-termino-en-botellazos-y-piscina-en-la-calle-no-tenian-autorizacion-20181225135243
1883000;1545760739;mircea_popescu;that chick was ~so fucking hurt~ you couldn't believe.
1883001;1545766815;mircea_popescu;sometimes i think the ~only social product of females in this country is the yelling out of various names, sometimes interspersed with "venga" or something.
1883002;1545767502;asciilifeform;in other oddities and 'where on the net is this discussed? nowhere?', http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bolix/bolix_lamp_peek.jpg << old-fashioned 2layer pcbs are interestingly transparent to visible light. (obv. whole thing, aint, but give surprising amt of info otherwise not accessible )
1883003;1545767614;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bolix/bolix_chinesium_macro_test.jpg << 2nd peek from bolix torture room; chinesium macrolens testfire
1883004;1545767645;asciilifeform;( the 'vertical' drams aint visible in flatbed, so therefore this )
1883005;1545767676;asciilifeform;possibly overkill, but i'm quite tired of 'oops, this 1 whisker aint visible in shitphoto, nao let's redo'
1883006;1545767721;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bolix/bolix_chinesium_macro_test_2.jpg << ditto.
1883007;1545767759;asciilifeform;the rest, will post when whole orchestra post.
1883008;1545767864;*;asciilifeform bbl,teatime
1883009;1545769471;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, fixed the "whe" and thanks for the comment! Can you believe that summary is actually...5k words and a bit to spare too?
1883010;1545769493;diana_coman;from what I see in the paste you did not use "" for the links though?
1883011;1545769500;diana_coman;I'll try to recover it anyway
1883012;1545769593;mircea_popescu;"" ?
1883013;1545769627;mircea_popescu;oh wait, is the expected format <a href=""></a> rather than <a href=></a> ? (this'd be new to both the w3c and mp-wp_
1883014;1545769733;diana_coman;afaik it's always been <a href="felgjer">gjewpg</a> , no?
1883015;1545769761;diana_coman;in some parts you had "<a href=gwrg> gjw</a>" and in some parts no "" at all
1883016;1545769768;diana_coman;fixed now, seems to work fine
1883017;1545770540;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> sometimes i think the ~only social product of females in this country is the yelling out of various names, sometimes interspersed with "venga" or something. << The retards here do "Vení" instead
1883018;1545772371;asciilifeform;hmm, selections js thing dunwork for comments apparently
1883019;1545772415;asciilifeform;i'ma quote from the orig then:
1883020;1545772471;asciilifeform;http://ossasepia.com/2018/12/24/a-week-in-tmsr-10-16-december-2018/comment-page-1/#selection-95.505-95.623 << mircea_popescu is implication that this is an underhanded thing to do ? cuz i dun see any diff b/w trinque's wallet eating unsolicited coin for the glory of trinquedom, and asciilifeform swallowing unsolicited packets ( i.e. without valid customer ip as dest addr ) ditto
1883021;1545772520;asciilifeform;( ftr nuffin interesting's shown up in the hopper of yet, possibly because BingoBoingo not yet gotten around to setting up the route )
1883022;1545772768;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/SvW1o/?raw=true
1883023;1545772813;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> hmm, selections js thing dunwork for comments apparently << Depends on how far the theme stretches the selectable area.
1883024;1545772813;asciilifeform;ty BingoBoingo
1883025;1545772826;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: yea so i gather from reading the thing
1883026;1545772839;*;asciilifeform brb
1883027;1545777946;asciilifeform;in other noose, opensores photo 'stitchers' really suck.
1883028;1545777972;asciilifeform;( even in most trivial case, flatbed with 0 distortion )
1883029;1545778240;asciilifeform;http://hugin.sourceforge.net for instance ( i dun even know of any serious alt- to the thing ) . author apparently is militantly retarded, thing feels free to cut pieces from the inputs moar or less randomly
1883030;1545778574;asciilifeform;the microscopists evidently use ~something~ other than this piece of shit.
1883031;1545778583;asciilifeform;if anybody knows ~what~, plox to write in.
1883032;1545778933;asciilifeform;i'ma share a pair of example inputs: http://www.nosuchlabs.com/pub/bolix/pic/ivory_bottom_a_super.jpg http://www.nosuchlabs.com/pub/bolix/pic/ivory_bottom_b_super.jpg (warning: 300MB! each!) .
1883033;1545779263;asciilifeform;( and , for completeness, a second, http://www.nosuchlabs.com/pub/bolix/pic/ivory_top_a_super.jpg , http://www.nosuchlabs.com/pub/bolix/pic/ivory_top_b_super.jpg , whynot . again ~300MB ea.! )
1883034;1545779436;asciilifeform;if there lives a hero who knows how to merge the 2cm of ugh that dun fit on the bed -- plox to write in. meanwhile i'ma attend to other items on conveyor.
1883035;1545779594;*;asciilifeform bbl,maffs room
1883036;1545779949;amberglint;hello everyone
1883037;1545779950;lobbesbot;amberglint: Sent 1 week, 2 days, 6 hours, and 46 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-16#1881109 << if you found the src, might be interesting , otherwise not imho esp. useful
1883038;1545779964;amberglint;asciilifeform: I'm not aware of alternatives, but maybe this advice from a microscopist will make Hugin useful: http://www.righto.com/2015/12/creating-high-resolution-integrated.html
1883039;1545779997;amberglint;btw, I was considering asking this microscopist if he wants to help you with the Ivory micrograph, but after the last attempt I'm not sure if it's a good idea
1883040;1545780099;amberglint;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-16#1881120 << unfortunately no src, I only have the binaries
1883041;1545780099;a111;Logged on 2018-12-16 16:32 asciilifeform: !Q later tell amberglint http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-16#1881109 << if you found the src, might be interesting , otherwise not imho esp. useful
1883042;1545783156;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-25#1883039 << iirc i explained in prev thread: i have a veerry limited supply of samples. and so, i'd be willing to share 1 with a commercial lab, supposing i had with what to pay, or the proprietor were serious re 'pro bono'. but not so excited to give to some d00d who uses rust remover and layers,whatlayers, etc
1883043;1545783156;a111;Logged on 2018-12-25 23:19 amberglint: btw, I was considering asking this microscopist if he wants to help you with the Ivory micrograph, but after the last attempt I'm not sure if it's a good idea
1883044;1545783185;asciilifeform;( rust remover variant, i could do with ~own~ hands , whenever )
1883045;1545783271;asciilifeform;you wouldn't give stradivari to glue to some fella who maybe glued chair leg or 2 some time last yr.
1883046;1545783605;asciilifeform;'ivory' aint much transistorwise by current-day measures, but at ~370,000 is slightly moar than its contemporary i386, and defo bigger than anyffing afaik that amateurs anywhere reversed to date.
1883047;1545783752;asciilifeform;( e.g. 6502, had ~3.5k, z80 - ~8.5 )
1883048;1545783817;asciilifeform;density of 'ivory' is around 4x that of z80.
1883049;1545783932;asciilifeform;z80 of course not only costs fiddycents, but ~still made~ , and so has been photographed errywhere, prolly even in zimbabwe. whereas there's maybe 50 'ivory' remaining total.
1883050;1545789103;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i don't think it's underhanded in the sense i don't think underhanded means anything in the context. there's a very strict difference between the priviledged and the unpriviledged position, "only do those things specifically allowed" vs "do all things not specifically forbidden". while you'd expect a customer to only read mail addressed to him, it's iffy whether you expect the post office to read all mail it can
1883051;1545789103;mircea_popescu;'t route -- it all hinges on whether the post office is priviledged or not.
1883052;1545789138;mircea_popescu;in any case, the idea was that the thing neckbeards and assorted morons ("open source" or free ranged) MOST associate with "the bad" is merely a necessary function of a working system.
1883053;1545789183;mircea_popescu;much like the romanian morons imagined in the 80s they want to be "free", as opposed to "they want romanian industrial committments to better reflect their own personal committments [to irrelevancy, impotence and ultimately inexistence]".
1883054;1545789217;asciilifeform;aa
1883055;1545789235;asciilifeform;see i read 'how cia' and thought implies 'dirty trick'
1883056;1545789255;mircea_popescu;eventually someone has to do something about all the random piling up at the periphery. sad but true.
1883057;1545789368;asciilifeform;verily
1883058;1545789481;asciilifeform;the 'E' vs 'L' thing in http://ossasepia.com/2018/12/24/a-week-in-tmsr-10-16-december-2018/comment-page-1/ is interesting btw
1883059;1545789508;asciilifeform;there was an ancient heathen essay re subj, somewhere, in fact - but i've misplaced it
1883060;1545789529;asciilifeform;( possibly the http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-01#1575661 item )
1883061;1545789529;a111;Logged on 2016-12-01 17:51 phf: asciilifeform: it ~is~ the infamous mappers and packers thing, m&p is first chapter
1883062;1545789581;mircea_popescu;afaik it's new art ; but then again, novelty in this world.
1883063;1545789634;asciilifeform;iirc the terminology was diff but came quite close to discussion the actual concept
1883064;1545789668;asciilifeform;( or even earlier , feynman had a 'some people do physics, others -- stamp collecting' thing )
1883065;1545789751;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-25#1883039 << always a great idea. people ~should~ have ample opportunity to discover how insufficient, unimpressive, etcetera they are. i don't mean "fair" opportunity, ie, a 9mn% increase over what their environment currently provides. i mean fucking ample.
1883066;1545789751;a111;Logged on 2018-12-25 23:19 amberglint: btw, I was considering asking this microscopist if he wants to help you with the Ivory micrograph, but after the last attempt I'm not sure if it's a good idea
1883067;1545789786;mircea_popescu;this is what the internet was even fucking sold as! "this'll be a place where every fucktarded murican, coolest-guy-in-his-town goes to find out he didn't even make the qualifying tops"
1883068;1545789834;mircea_popescu;let them do just that. "i know your wife thinks you're the best she could ever do, but truth be told a name's wasted on your dumb ass" is way the fuck more important, useful etcetera than whatever else they thought they were gonna do that evening.
1883069;1545789866;mircea_popescu;today's xmas and there's no contest. rest of the year...
1883070;1545790054;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-26#1883049 << absolutely fucking not. "everywhere" ? are you fucking kidding me, reading university hasn't discovered the wonder of microphony, in 2018. i'm sure they had the (by then 20yo items) back in 1898, state of the art, too. but 120 years later... http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1764531 and all that. costa ricans can't fucking merge, what "everywhere".
1883071;1545790054;a111;Logged on 2018-12-26 00:25 asciilifeform: z80 of course not only costs fiddycents, but ~still made~ , and so has been photographed errywhere, prolly even in zimbabwe. whereas there's maybe 50 'ivory' remaining total.
1883072;1545790054;a111;Logged on 2018-01-05 01:26 mircea_popescu: "oh, DO WE STILL HAVE TO DO THIS ?!?!?! IN 2018 ?!?! EPICYCLES ?!?!?". gimme a break, you can't light a fucking lightbulb.
1883073;1545790235;asciilifeform;well possibly not 'errywhere.' but in sov world defo.
1883074;1545790251;mircea_popescu;that's almost older than you.
1883075;1545790311;asciilifeform;possibly asciilifeform has distorted sense of time, but still thinks of it as 'recent'
1883076;1545790316;asciilifeform;perhaps cuz mentally stuck there
1883077;1545790446;mircea_popescu;meanwhile i don't even consider fettards delivered to this world in that same five year plan the "reforms" came.
1883078;1545790453;mircea_popescu;or in the next one.
1883079;1545792490;asciilifeform;thinking moar re the 'sense of time' thing, i suspect that my clock stopped where ~anything last happened~. e.g. i'm posting from a 2009 comp.
1883080;1545792533;asciilifeform;( and the only reason not from 2003 comp, was that i wanted moar bitness, back then, for address lines )
1883081;1545792721;*;asciilifeform 'moving backwards in time' technologically in other aspects also -- about to do some old-fashioned chemical b&w, for instance
1883082;1545792773;asciilifeform;100 $ of largeformat b&w + enlarger beats shit out of 1000 $ of ccd...
1883083;1545792794;asciilifeform;( possibly even out of 10,000 $ of ccd )
1883084;1545792971;asciilifeform;while on subj, i suspect that the pill for ye olde http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-03#1394833 puzzler, if indeed one can exist, lies in some variation on chemical photography. ( observe that there is no known means of observing the latent image in silver nitrate without developing the film )
1883085;1545792971;a111;Logged on 2016-02-03 01:53 asciilifeform: actually for many years i have thought about the ideal electric otp.
1883086;1545793153;asciilifeform;( for instance, expose 2 overlapping films using spinthariscope. separate the films, and on each end extract pad bits via programmable lcd diffraction grate, where each grate pattern is determined by output of prev. )
1883087;1545793220;asciilifeform;1 frame of ye olde 35mm potentially carries coupla 100MB of pad.
1883088;1545793238;asciilifeform;cost : ~1cent.
1883089;1545811746;mircea_popescu;diana_coman fixed indeed, ty.
1883090;1545820103;phf;diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-24#1882924 << 26Nov-2Dec 54450, 3Dec-9Dec 24809, 10Dec-16Dec 31298 with breakdown http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/afho0/?raw=true i had word count code laying around not wired, it now sits in the stat bar at the top as the (running) word count for the day. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-22#1882726 << added
1883091;1545820103;a111;Logged on 2018-12-24 15:58 diana_coman: phf, would it be a big bother to get for me the number of words in the logs for the weeks 26Nov-2Dec, 3Dec-9Dec, 10Dec-16Dec 2018? It's more to satisfy my curiosity on whether the relative sizes match the variation in size of my summaries for those weeks or not.
1883092;1545820103;a111;Logged on 2018-12-22 17:25 diana_coman: asciilifeform, phf I've signed and mirrored ch6 of ffa: http://ossasepia.com/reference-code-shelf/#selection-603.0-617.46
1883093;1545828905;diana_coman;phf, thank you!
1883094;1545829106;diana_coman;perhaps unsurprisingly, the relative lengths of logs are not quite enough to predict relative lengths of summaries, ofc; the 10-16 dec summary is a whopping 5.1k compared to 3.7k 26-2Dec despite logs being 31.3k vs 54.4k respectively; anyways, I'm rather relieved it turns out that the summary IS at least shorter than the logs!
1883095;1545829232;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-25#1882978 -> I'm in 2 minds on it: basically there is a lot to gain from doing it, the way I see it so that's a big pull; onth it can eat up a lot of time and it's not always the easiest of things either
1883096;1545829232;a111;Logged on 2018-12-25 16:56 mircea_popescu: kinda addictive to write, too, aren't they.
1883097;1545829356;diana_coman;at any rate, the fact that the summaries seem to elicit further discussion and clarification of the original topics is further benefit (I did not expect it / think of it at all initially)
1883098;1545829689;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-25#1882987 -> my tests show that you can rely on <strong> </strong> for it to show in bold (b, em seem to be eaten); in further infuriating things, <blockquote> works but ONLY if used on separate line (i.e. this is a <blockquote>bbw </blockquote> will do nothing but this is a \n <blockquote>biegw</blockquote ...works
1883099;1545829689;a111;Logged on 2018-12-25 17:36 mircea_popescu: btw diana_coman can i rely on <b><em><blockquote> working in your comment section ?
1883100;1545829746;diana_coman;this might be to some extent theme-related as well but I'm not too keen on sinking time digging into it really
1883101;1545835709;asciilifeform;guten morgen, diana_coman phf
1883102;1545835877;asciilifeform;phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881347 >> wish granted! >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-25#1883032 , and i'ma post moar this wk
1883103;1545835877;a111;Logged on 2018-12-18 11:56 phf: asciilifeform: i saw you posted a highres photo of macivory you found on the internet, but could you perhaps post a couple of nice photos of your current board, where one can see labels on chips and whatever text on the surface
1883104;1545835877;a111;Logged on 2018-12-25 23:02 asciilifeform: i'ma share a pair of example inputs: http://www.nosuchlabs.com/pub/bolix/pic/ivory_bottom_a_super.jpg http://www.nosuchlabs.com/pub/bolix/pic/ivory_bottom_b_super.jpg (warning: 300MB! each!) .
1883105;1545835907;asciilifeform;( xray is waiting on the film tho )
1883106;1545836010;asciilifeform;plan with the mega-photo, is that -- when i figure out how to stitch'em -- will make metre-sized poster for wall, to scribble on as i reverse the thing...
1883107;1545836493;asciilifeform;( nao, if we had a source of ~coherent~ xray, could then replicate that https://archive.is/Gb34O thing! 'if wishes were horses..' )
1883108;1545836754;asciilifeform;flatbed scanner for pcb aint perfect, observe that what it gains in res vs digicam, it loses in depth of field
1883109;1545836792;asciilifeform;prolly ideal photo would be from stitch of N 25megapixel shots with small aperture and machine-cranked slide platform. but i currently dunhave a machine-cranked slide.
1883110;1545836847;asciilifeform;this is re the component-side, naturally. (flatbed is unbeatable for the flat side imho)
1883111;1545836981;asciilifeform;phf: i've also bought a period (msdos-powered!) paltron, will attempt reading the original pals this wk
1883112;1545837037;*;asciilifeform brb,tea
1883113;1545853379;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-26#1883090 << nice!
1883114;1545853379;a111;Logged on 2018-12-26 10:28 phf: diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-24#1882924 << 26Nov-2Dec 54450, 3Dec-9Dec 24809, 10Dec-16Dec 31298 with breakdown http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/afho0/?raw=true i had word count code laying around not wired, it now sits in the stat bar at the top as the (running) word count for the day. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-22#1882726 << added
1883115;1545853433;mircea_popescu;in other stray thoughts : isn't it a wonder the "orange man" and the "guy fawkes" memes aren't merging ?
1883116;1545853443;mircea_popescu;i'd have expected a LOT more orange plasticrap masks.
1883117;1545853445;asciilifeform;who was 'orange man' ?
1883118;1545853454;mircea_popescu;donald trump
1883119;1545853457;asciilifeform;aaa
1883120;1545853488;mircea_popescu;i suppose the bare truth of the matter is that much like bower bird building nest out of what plastic can be found, ustard also, will be fashionable ~out of pre-existing selection~, not otherwise.
1883121;1545853502;mircea_popescu;can't merge because while intellectually meaningful, practically impossible, no mfg base.
1883122;1545853548;asciilifeform;not only this, but worse, the pre-existing selection consists of hollywood (e.g. the guyfawkes meme is not made from the historic personage, but from film 'v for vendetta', where rather different item in turn recycled from older meme)
1883123;1545853565;mircea_popescu;trump also exists from hollywood media for the "orange man" crowd.
1883124;1545853583;mircea_popescu;entirely unrelated to historical anything, much like car advertisings unrelated to car, related to viewer.
1883125;1545853630;asciilifeform;made from junkyardwars. but i dun recall him claiming continuity with historic-anyffin
1883126;1545853700;mircea_popescu;(for the benefit of sluts nicole's age : a meme is not 'an image with text in thick font sprawled over'. a meme is a virus for the brain ; the ur-example of a meme [ie, ~SPEECH~] being discussed in http://trilema.com/2014/the-bicameral-world-in-one-room-the-city-dump-in-the-other-room-the-starred-restaurant-do-these-talk-to-each-other-read-on-to-find-out/ )
1883127;1545853711;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform him who ?
1883128;1545853716;asciilifeform;trump
1883129;1545853750;mircea_popescu;um. trump is an actual physical person, an old guy, son of a magnate, bankrupt a coupla times, very entertaining town fool in the 70s, etc.
1883130;1545853769;asciilifeform;rrright, but was speaking of trump the stage character, as played for ameritard consumption
1883131;1545853774;asciilifeform;rather than the actor playing $role
1883132;1545853777;mircea_popescu;this is a history, whether you know it or not, whether you rubbed shoulders with the chicago outfit back when they were inventing las vegas and the new york set and so on.
1883133;1545853804;asciilifeform;naturally the man -- has a history
1883134;1545853830;mircea_popescu;this historical character, who happened to win a presidential election IN SPITE of the wishes of the media machinery and the expectations of their vat-dwelling retards, was re-interpreted for their minor intellectual needs as "orange man" by the same mechanisms.
1883135;1545853860;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> in other stray thoughts : isn't it a wonder the "orange man" and the "guy fawkes" memes aren't merging ? << There was some overlap with people wearing gray bodysuits to play NPCs
1883136;1545853874;BingoBoingo;Orange bodysuits when?
1883137;1545853901;*;asciilifeform must admit nao that asciilifeform has not been following in realtime the tard squeals of recent yr of trumpreich, and so cannot comment on 'orange' etc
1883138;1545853901;mircea_popescu;those morons, cuz it's really not worth calling the http://trilema.com/2016/please-stop-using-dns-already-and-other-considerations/#footnote_6_65060 set people, are ~also~ approximately the barney sandals crowd, and the guy fawkes crowd.
1883139;1545853943;mircea_popescu;and they're known for a strict incapacity to maintain multiple loci of interest. so if indeed orangemanguyfawkes masks would be available, then #orangemanguyfawkes would have 1mn users ; but as they aren't, thereofe #orangeman has 800k users and #guyfawkes 200k users.
1883140;1545853948;mircea_popescu;entirely the same ones, too,
1883141;1545853997;asciilifeform;aand if 'coke' were to merge with 'pepsi', the # of drinkers of phosphoricacid-cum-cornliquishit would remain ~same
1883142;1545854001;asciilifeform;but forsomereason they havent yet
1883143;1545854005;mircea_popescu;exactly my point, right.
1883144;1545854027;mircea_popescu;but there's ~economic interest~ in ~actually maintaining the divide~. not like guyfawkes foundation is out there buying ads.
1883145;1545854031;asciilifeform;cuz faux 'choice' is part of the product.
1883146;1545854063;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform faux choice gotta be maintained. like any other http://trilema.com/2009/inchipuiti-va/ item.
1883147;1545854071;asciilifeform;aha
1883148;1545854073;mircea_popescu;and in this case, i suppose china's maintaining.
1883149;1545854090;asciilifeform;and it's maintained by 'you can buy orange mask or black mask', 'red bottle, or black' etc
1883150;1545854092;mircea_popescu;if one day they discovered orange paint one cent per ton cheaper than w/e sorta-like sickly white man pallor pigment currently in use...
1883151;1545854111;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform all guy fawkes masks i ever saw were evidently same exact item made same exact place.
1883152;1545854127;asciilifeform;naturally, iirc they're a disney catalogue item
1883153;1545854131;mircea_popescu;(the study of masks, btw, is a very large part of anthropology, for very good reasons. not much to study these days, but what can you do.)\
1883154;1545854146;asciilifeform;i saw one in ro, in the back of a parked car
1883155;1545854152;asciilifeform;(exactly 1.)
1883156;1545854185;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i guarantee you that schmuck had a large debt load to maintain his illusion of being "in civilised world" along with occasional participation at "color revolutions" and various idiotic conversations with similarily inane "friends".
1883157;1545854196;asciilifeform;was my immediate conclusion
1883158;1545854199;mircea_popescu;ie, the orc pantsuit are just as pantsuit as the empire pantsuit.
1883159;1545854212;asciilifeform;cant think of what else an orc could be trying to say (and it was scotchtaped so as to be visible) with that thing.
1883160;1545854228;asciilifeform;prolly belonged to an amstan-like fella of 1 type or another
1883161;1545854279;asciilifeform;y'know the type; prolly runs a 'tor' node, hangs out with Framedragger's chix, etc
1883162;1545854302;mircea_popescu;in romania that's asking too much.
1883163;1545854315;mircea_popescu;possibly runs ubuntu tho. or w/e, android, same thing.
1883164;1545854316;asciilifeform;why, if in lithuania apparently pestilential
1883165;1545854327;mircea_popescu;romanians are tards, what can i tell you
1883166;1545854337;mircea_popescu;(everyone with two neurons to rub together long left)
1883167;1545854338;asciilifeform;it dun exactly require brain
1883168;1545854354;asciilifeform;( to go around 'let's all anonymous' etc )
1883169;1545854378;mircea_popescu;maybe not to your standards.
1883170;1545854416;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/12/nation-of-africa-movement-towards-continental-free-trade-zone/ << Qntra -- Nation Of Africa: Movement Towards Continental "Free Trade" Zone
1883171;1545854436;asciilifeform;in gringolandia these folx helpfully advertise themselves with '1337 h4xx0r' tshirts. but perhaps they dun sell those in orcland.
1883172;1545854488;asciilifeform;iirc phf described the ru variant, with their clone of '2600 magazine' etc
1883173;1545854702;mircea_popescu;it's actually a different demographic. ~these~, the moron you saw in romania, advertise themselves in the us as "having a hobby" in their corporate cv. they go race rc boats every third weekend or somesuch.
1883174;1545854705;mircea_popescu;THAT is the level.
1883175;1545854740;mircea_popescu;romania is a small country, and it is incorrect to identify groups by their rarity. a 10k demographic in romania is NOT "the same" as a 10k demographic in the us ; it's the same as the 100k one.
1883176;1545854756;mircea_popescu;thus therefore, the romanian "vampire" is ~the us mall rat hanging out by hot topic ; not the cosplayer.
1883177;1545854765;mircea_popescu;though there's about as many ro.vampires as us.cosplayers.
1883178;1545854919;mircea_popescu;IsmjdCwcXmaff1rIXotaJ4KAnKE2F0QnDKJBymqXjnwJUdobIy97OUsbooJh6TUcbeIulnvkBqGgHBPmn5XA9HeW+p3h8+5U14DTd9dVh1gDX4EqV2+b1i5hgiqZAionHr5ZWyW5AwCgaEbja3lfarAYOt95uNyrnC0B1NkuhtIikJr0wokdRG0Qmi2NmwrhRJEf7gqHFFbErjQGF2350d5rG1WIX4eNOEAiYArcNfm0vUFiFqdmhcf4CVs8OT7yhMOJYdXnaoltJ/nlALmW9xPTA66izPutqwF4a2ZSrkTDMpIEP/i+KtMoTmnMG0pIDTbrGrQswjW9ZjCcFmPKakDmDpgWzsEiPTeDVKVN0tsY+0XotN7DFEcINg4GZ6q2XCNep0TPKe5ZHb5Le7LCArh8kIXT+x1TrzijEiD+qMEdh
1883179;1545854920;mircea_popescu;oSr2+rn0GBF6djoSBcBdXIcWaUGZ/BgPPOPPEMtoN2MTuTAXn05i2gEkPfBQEhuhew/hWUj8X4adB+at9jp+vsLjC1mL5boOclKpM0d5dYM4q4Qc6pnSJknKW3U0cpRbrUBkkwLdP05d3D8haC9cM4WbFLdBvhep6H/ZG3T9lyVV3Nh1JnoFsoQjx1sgbQ90ZfGOqGZBjYdcdFjPxLJPk9Rs0K/pK3poDx3lrcly65OroncbBw1Pt9MBT5jxyYmzyR9YFO5x1Ce16NaAyDgYdwi2QiJYTzQQi6ObV9/0rSh+r8uOr4q1i1/UNT2ledyur+RvOlHHInmjNFRBOW7MafLN5VlAw/kttk0b3CS0MAodoEwo9v0Q1TCcmmSSLI7bxZc63qhnz4kilECuy7plKeupPwG2FSigv6CMeGw+tTyyu
1883180;1545854920;mircea_popescu;o98jfVs9VrqP18IRn325wgDW86DG65F6HnZD5kgRMH0Cx8iArxPwL+EwCu8J1tq2WXmSBQx/BOOXl1DveJFIaIjk01LNApN7ej9SQ9Hmv/rtHsLtCdrr6op+PxioucBCypFdZTrlX8B8hYhO43W8aLYLawYqeTQ5eJNqm4/wvt7mAUveemG94BB2EEFv9EMrKJema86ziddjS/4EK/wfl9AH+LbPAGaBxdxTzrk5rzuVHEsR4+4UK4n9l7G/A1dFadg80VeLnz0ck5hAv1wauZT5EQzDWQ1NeGpo1dJ+1yuwMkNgeys+YKYlEjNgTmz5HmPWqGe3Qkc0U67A+JChBsDmzye3b6ZWP27Mv0KY1QnbYPm0FRfuvcxfWXCys9HiOOIWUSc8cemRbhqqa2HJDqrOsfI02LAOqQZyWJjBci+DU
1883181;1545854927;mircea_popescu;kcHPKqv4Vh/wXr/joKFYa/Bv70RS24WUUiqsq3Ta50XXY/9/wlOW9zLTx4NGGR2XDbTJXl0XF4LTkQMc8DHw1Fq2b6AxvQRmdjKg= << in other news, reach the core is a fun little game.
1883182;1545854930;mircea_popescu;ow shit. sorry for that, didn't realise it'll be THAT long.
1883183;1545854947;mod6;:D
1883184;1545854954;mod6;Tryin' to be me 'eh?
1883185;1545854999;mod6;How's it goin mircea_popescu & asciilifeform?
1883186;1545855009;mircea_popescu;well, the paste was deliberate, but i'd have deliberated otherwise if i realised it's multiline
1883187;1545855016;mod6;Ah.
1883188;1545855024;mircea_popescu;mod6 fine, actually, trying to emerge out of xmas food coma.
1883189;1545855040;asciilifeform;wb mod6 !
1883190;1545855071;mod6;Cool, yeah, I hear ya there.  We smoked a ham, was pretty great actually.
1883191;1545855075;mod6;thx asciilifeform
1883192;1545855118;mod6;Anyway, I just stopped in as I've been resting, reflecting, doing a spot of work on these forthcoming blog posts over the month.
1883193;1545855137;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-26#1883094 << do i have this right, so the logs were ~43% shorter but this drove a summary ~37% longer ? ie, snr varied by at least a factor of 2.4 ?
1883194;1545855137;a111;Logged on 2018-12-26 12:58 diana_coman: perhaps unsurprisingly, the relative lengths of logs are not quite enough to predict relative lengths of summaries, ofc; the 10-16 dec summary is a whopping 5.1k compared to 3.7k 26-2Dec despite logs being 31.3k vs 54.4k respectively; anyways, I'm rather relieved it turns out that the summary IS at least shorter than the logs!
1883195;1545855172;mod6;One is nearly ready, but I'm in need of an actual blog, heheh.  So I'm gonna see if I can get wp-mp doing what I want.
1883196;1545855203;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-26#1883097 << i was kinda expecting it all along, tbh.
1883197;1545855203;a111;Logged on 2018-12-26 13:02 diana_coman: at any rate, the fact that the summaries seem to elicit further discussion and clarification of the original topics is further benefit (I did not expect it / think of it at all initially)
1883198;1545855205;mod6;BingoBoingo: Can I get a wp-mp @ pizarro when you have some time, feel free to invoice me or whatever is right and proper.
1883199;1545855220;mircea_popescu;mod6 BingoBoingo was saying something about getting a closer to original thing on pizarro
1883200;1545855264;BingoBoingo;I'm about to send the dispatches to current customers
1883201;1545855270;mod6;Ah ok great!
1883202;1545855272;BingoBoingo;mod6: Do you want one year?
1883203;1545855295;mod6;Lemme see here...
1883204;1545855344;mod6;Yes, please. :]
1883205;1545855361;mod6;Still 0.002 BTC/mo. right?
1883206;1545855492;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-26#1883098 << http://ossasepia.com/2018/12/24/a-week-in-tmsr-10-16-december-2018/comment-page-1/#comment-4644 (spoiler : none worked :p)
1883207;1545855492;a111;Logged on 2018-12-26 13:08 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-25#1882987 -> my tests show that you can rely on <strong> </strong> for it to show in bold (b, em seem to be eaten); in further infuriating things, <blockquote> works but ONLY if used on separate line (i.e. this is a <blockquote>bbw </blockquote> will do nothing but this is a \n <blockquote>biegw</blockquote ...works
1883208;1545855513;BingoBoingo;mod6: With an annual subscription you get 10% off per http://pizarroisp.net/shared-hosting/ for 0.0216
1883209;1545855519;mircea_popescu;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/X0jSO/?raw=true << item used.
1883210;1545855582;mod6;BingoBoingo: sounds great!  Thank you.
1883211;1545855594;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-26#1883106 << honestly, this is a better "decorative artwork" plan than i ~ever~ heard. and i heard girls with nice tits sitting on multi-mn budgets all over "teh civilised world".
1883212;1545855594;a111;Logged on 2018-12-26 14:53 asciilifeform: plan with the mega-photo, is that -- when i figure out how to stitch'em -- will make metre-sized poster for wall, to scribble on as i reverse the thing...
1883213;1545855594;*;mod6 looks at links
1883214;1545855614;mircea_popescu;so there you go, alf takes the crown for home decorating, becomes the new goodbye girl!
1883215;1545855629;BingoBoingo;!Qlater tell cruciform MP-WP hardening and enhancemenst, please acknowledge receipt http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/j2WcJ/?raw=true
1883216;1545855629;BingoBoingo;!Qlater tell bvt  MP-WP hardening and enhancemenst, please acknowledge receipt http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wSwU6/?raw=true
1883217;1545855629;lobbesbot;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
1883218;1545855630;BingoBoingo;!Qlater tell mats MP-WP hardening and enhancemenst, please acknowledge receipt http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/r1dkc/?raw=true
1883219;1545855631;lobbesbot;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
1883220;1545855632;lobbesbot;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
1883221;1545855633;BingoBoingo;!Qlater tell nicoleci MP-WP hardening and enhancemenst, please acknowledge receipt http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/anvCs/?raw=true
1883222;1545855634;lobbesbot;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
1883223;1545855648;mod6;Oh while I'm at it, thanks for helping mats the other day while I was afk.  I appreciate it.
1883224;1545855656;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you know you can do multiple recipients in the same item, yes ?
1883225;1545856071;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: yes
1883226;1545856115;BingoBoingo;Any pizzaro shared hosting customers who had me configure your mp-wp let me know if you have not recieved a dispatch
1883227;1545856127;BingoBoingo;mod6: No problem
1883228;1545856156;mod6;Awesome Sir.  I'll check back later then.  Thanks all.
1883229;1545856539;BingoBoingo;nicoleci bvt mats cruciform: Addenum to enable the mp-wp uploader http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/YvpmR/?raw=true
1883230;1545858265;bvt;hello. BingoBoingo: applied and tested the changes from your first message, everything works. ty!
1883231;1545858265;lobbesbot;bvt: Sent 43 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> MP-WP hardening and enhancemenst, please acknowledge receipt http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wSwU6/?raw=true
1883232;1545858357;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-26#1883211 << lol, it'll hang where the jp hiragana thing previously did ( the latter i have fit-in-head, dunneed nomoar.. )
1883233;1545858357;a111;Logged on 2018-12-26 20:19 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-26#1883106 << honestly, this is a better "decorative artwork" plan than i ~ever~ heard. and i heard girls with nice tits sitting on multi-mn budgets all over "teh civilised world".
1883234;1545858420;bvt;the result of command from 'enable uploader' message is 'permission denied'. afaik changing owner of a file works only for root.
1883235;1545858569;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-26#1883206 << invisible from here. ( prolly in diana_coman's mod queue ? )
1883236;1545858569;a111;Logged on 2018-12-26 20:18 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-26#1883098 << http://ossasepia.com/2018/12/24/a-week-in-tmsr-10-16-december-2018/comment-page-1/#comment-4644 (spoiler : none worked :p)
1883237;1545859293;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2017/lets-revisit-the-google-is-irrelevant-discussion/#comment-127283 << for completeness
1883238;1545859309;mircea_popescu;(i did have to fish it out of spam, not right off sure what combination of what exactly triggered it, but anyway)
1883239;1545859371;mircea_popescu;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/oICBM/?raw=true < sauce.
1883240;1545860589;BingoBoingo;bvt: Thank you very much
1883241;1545860621;BingoBoingo;bvt: I'll peek in real quick
1883242;1545860724;BingoBoingo;bvt: ran the chown, let me know if there are any issues or if there is anything else I can help with
1883243;1545864581;bvt;BingoBoingo: thanks, everything works fine
1883244;1545866922;BingoBoingo;bvt: Thank you for letting me know.
1883245;1545879163;*;mircea_popescu opened a thing of imported leberwurst, made one breadslice with dijon mustard, one slice with black pepper and fasskraut, one slice with sliced pickled gerkins.
1883246;1545879166;mircea_popescu;HO-HO-HO!
1883247;1545879174;asciilifeform;nifty.
1883248;1545903979;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, http://ossasepia.com/2018/12/24/a-week-in-tmsr-10-16-december-2018/comment-page-1/#comment-4648
1883249;1545903995;diana_coman;I can see the strong in mine; what did you put in there exactly?
1883250;1545904265;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, ugh, you want strong on top of link? wtf
1883251;1545904297;diana_coman;the links are anyway with own style applied, hence yes, nothing to see if you want to overwrite the theme's style for links
1883252;1545904449;diana_coman;and blockquote that works too with original at: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/m2WLn/?raw=true
1883253;1545904595;feedbot;http://bimbo.club/2018/12/full-circle/ << Bimbo.Club -- Full circle
1883254;1545904660;diana_coman;funnily enough you can actually even do that if absolutely must: inside blockquote
1883255;1545925612;BingoBoingo;In local news, inflation is a bitch https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/mayoria-de-acuerdos-salariales-firmados-con-posibilidad-de-no-tener-aumento-real-20181226184422
1883256;1545928002;mircea_popescu;diana_coman just tryna help you figure out what's going on. [allowed] tags should nest correctly etc, there's some breakage afoot somewhere.
1883257;1545928059;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo what the fuck is this baked in expectation of "aumento" anyway ? what, schmuck sat an ass a whole year, he expects somehow though the magic of planet's powers alligned he is now worth MORE ?
1883258;1545928073;mircea_popescu;the only situations that result in that, plague, war and indiscriminate carnage -- those they hate.
1883259;1545928127;mircea_popescu;how the fuck is the figuring go, "all the kids are healthy and fine, spend all time in school, and as a result every year i'm worth more" ?! more the fuck what, obviously there's more and more people who can do his job by virtue of women spawning and fewer and fewer people who need his job done, by virtue of his having been at work.
1883260;1545928135;mircea_popescu;how the fuck is he gonna be getting INCREASES ?!
1883261;1545928171;mircea_popescu;it's a wonder anyone gets to keep a job for a whole damned year.
1883262;1545928289;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It's this retard thing where Uruguay imagine it can have a central bank. Looking at all of the possible things it could control it decides to do inflation as a structural thing and try to keep the country solvent by chasing this moving target they made. THE CENTRAL BANK SELLS DOLLARS TO KEEP USD FROM FALLING VERSUS THE PESO!!! sort of insanity follows.
1883263;1545928300;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> it's a wonder anyone gets to keep a job for a whole damned year. << Increasingly they don't
1883264;1545928345;mircea_popescu;the dolarization of economies is simply orcs following washington agenda. they sell dollars to push this angle whereby dollar is even remotely something like a reserve currency.
1883265;1545928357;mircea_popescu;and treasury more than happy to provide them the dollars.
1883266;1545928365;BingoBoingo;Every year less people keep their job, and employment fell 20-30 percent between 2009 and 2015
1883267;1545928491;BingoBoingo;Anyways, it's about time to update the Political snapshot. Looking like the Sartori fellow with the Russian bride worth more than this country is going to so the "surprising" Great Again win.
1883268;1545928547;BingoBoingo;He beat his capture "Blanco" party's resistance and got certified as one of their Pre-Candidates.
1883269;1545928637;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: as i understand there's always been a 'dollar' (in the sense of best-looking-horse at fiatola glue factory) at any given time
1883270;1545928641;mircea_popescu;i recall back in the late days of bahamas all sorta orclands had large posters with local ugly morons "el negro puede!!!"
1883271;1545928655;mircea_popescu;i guess mid-tangerine term they're going for the "orc again" angle.
1883272;1545928671;mircea_popescu;one day maybe they get a brain, start doing something other than mouthbreathing kids renditions of parental activity.
1883273;1545928685;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is dubious, hence the fiatist's notion of "crisis"
1883274;1545928713;mircea_popescu;the thing with the glue factory is that when the nags look good they ~all look ~equally good, and when they look real they all look ~equally naggy.
1883275;1545928733;asciilifeform;i thought 'crisis' is what the local derps spew when their national horse finally goes to glue
1883276;1545928753;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: They call it crisis when it happens suddenly
1883277;1545928757;mircea_popescu;nah. crisis is when merchants catch a glimpse of the nudity of the supposed "reserve currency".
1883278;1545928780;mircea_popescu;back in the 1800s lots of actual merchants, such things ended with repatriated gold. pretty much drove the history of the us in that century.
1883279;1545928792;mircea_popescu;by now, 99% of walkers live off the dole, so they don't really happen anymore.
1883280;1545929506;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/12/japan-quits-international-whaling-commision-no-big-deal/ << Qntra -- Japan Quits International Whaling Commision: No Big Deal
1883281;1545929538;mircea_popescu;keks. they're not gonna quit eating whale are they.
1883282;1545929553;*;mircea_popescu would like to express his support. and so do you, lest you want to stop eating beef some day.
1883283;1545929560;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they will when the whale-eaters die. ( it's mostly folx in their 60s-70s doing it. )
1883284;1545929584;mircea_popescu;they should prolly do a whaleman's association.
1883285;1545929587;asciilifeform;mcarthur's idea re protein shortage in occupied jp -- feed'em whale.
1883286;1545929638;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> mcarthur's idea re protein shortage in occupied jp -- feed'em whale. << Reads like Pantsuit revisionism. Of course Island that can't ranch infinitcows is going to whale eat.
1883287;1545929649;asciilifeform;~same folx been eatin' it ever since. tastes, reportedly ( asciilifeform did not have occasion to try, but father -- did , for some reason it ended up in orcistan ) like low-grade beef.
1883288;1545929657;mircea_popescu;and in today's farmed lulz : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/RIOSu/?raw=true
1883289;1545929752;mircea_popescu;these schmucks actually still exist, believe it or not, "content creators" consisting of a fat dork jacking off to seth rogen's podcast and a derpy chick carefully borderline sleeving her new york writer's boots.
1883290;1545929778;asciilifeform;who was seth rogen ?
1883291;1545929785;mircea_popescu;carehehehehefully "curating" and "promoting" their "online business" predicated on "you don't have to actually buy colored wool / playdo to be on etsy"
1883292;1545929810;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform fat unfunny schmuck, made lousy new wave rom-coms. "edgy" and shit.
1883293;1545929864;mircea_popescu;2000s era made-for-tv layer of ever-collapsing production values.
1883294;1545929885;asciilifeform;horrors!111, all the 'culture' i missed...
1883295;1545929955;mircea_popescu;then they got obliterated by "reality shows", which are even cheaper to make. the
1883296;1545929963;mircea_popescu;what was that thing, with the abandoned storage boxes.
1883297;1545930032;BingoBoingo;lol
1883298;1545930115;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how come nobody (afaik..) ever filmed a live-action sokoban ?
1883299;1545930123;mircea_popescu;hahaha
1883300;1545930139;mircea_popescu;twitch.tv, there's a whole "platform" website predicated on someone caring / people being too lazy to actually play.
1883301;1545930153;mircea_popescu;i'm sure you can find sokoban.
1883302;1545930168;asciilifeform;nah i dun mean on comp
1883303;1545930168;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> ~same folx been eatin' it ever since. tastes, reportedly ( asciilifeform did not have occasion to try, but father -- did , for some reason it ended up in orcistan ) like low-grade beef. << From what I've heard aquatic mammals tend to have a flavor distinct from beef. This may differ for full oceanic mammals, but river dolphins are a thing.
1883304;1545930171;asciilifeform;but with actual crates.
1883305;1545930179;mircea_popescu;(not played by anyone who played it originally ; but definitely meanwhile fouind by the hipstery 20yos looking to pose)
1883306;1545930195;asciilifeform;who the fuk wants to see mechanical sokoban played by some derp
1883307;1545930204;asciilifeform;nao with actual 100kg crates , on other hand !
1883308;1545930352;mircea_popescu;ah, lotta that by virtue of cctv in storage rooms. though it usually goes more like https://media.giphy.com/media/iXaXJVF0t72rm/giphy.gif
1883309;1545930352;asciilifeform;( and of course only pretty gurlz pushin' the crates, wearing 0-epsilon )
1883310;1545930369;asciilifeform;lol
1883311;1545930427;mircea_popescu;or you know, https://i.giphy.com/media/r0WlG500KT1T2/giphy.gif
1883312;1545930501;mircea_popescu;anyway. canadians getting involved in things, the next step after women get involved in things. there's a spiral of decay, and comedy's not gonna do any better than the british commonwealth did.
1883313;1545930577;asciilifeform;re 'reality show', in 1950s robert sheckley had little story re 'glorious fyootoor' where nomoar pantsuit laws, and so folx free to kill themselves creatively for money; and tv program is made where folx are knocked out and then wake up in race car, or midget sub, or jet fighter, whichever is farthest from their ordinary derp life, and filmed as they try an' avoid certain deaths
1883314;1545930591;asciilifeform;imho anyffin that falls short of this, re 'reality tv', is snoar.
1883315;1545930706;mircea_popescu;i dunno that i could be bothered.
1883316;1545930726;mircea_popescu;really, why do you care ? not like there's any possibility of empathizing with the derp.
1883317;1545930745;asciilifeform;hey mircea_popescu enjoyed that warehouse clip, neh
1883318;1545930750;asciilifeform;despite not empathizing with derp
1883319;1545930795;mircea_popescu;i want to see some idiot "avoiding certain death in midget sub" throiugh the process of flailing around wildly and then dying mechanically about as much as i want a pile of sophomore history of philosophy extemporaneous essay-form papers to go through.
1883320;1545930847;asciilifeform;i'd watch 1 or 2.
1883321;1545930847;mircea_popescu;"hello girlies & morons, write me 500 words as to why sophocles isn't euripides" slash "hello dorky, you've got 30 seconds". what the hell's the difference.
1883322;1545930851;mircea_popescu;exactly.
1883323;1545930906;asciilifeform;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ddm7r/?raw=true << for compleetness of the l0gz, 1337 w4r3z -- sheckley, 'prize of peril'.
1883324;1545930923;mircea_popescu;tbh, i empatized with the ~warehouse manager~.
1883325;1545930935;mircea_popescu;he;s not depicted ; but my years managing construction crews evidently left some trauma.
1883326;1545931017;asciilifeform;warehouse boss could've hired a sober forklifter, neh.
1883327;1545931026;mircea_popescu;suuuure.
1883328;1545931041;mircea_popescu;because that's what you do, there's like 500 sane, safe and consensual folks, cv in hand, to pick amongst
1883329;1545931052;mircea_popescu;and what you do out of sheer and unmitigated self hatred, is hire the one moron.
1883330;1545931058;mircea_popescu;that is so very TOTALLY how it goes down.
1883331;1545931124;asciilifeform;'how much should i spend to retain sober bulldozerist' is just as much of a ev calc as 'how much iron to use in this here bridge' neh.
1883332;1545931126;mircea_popescu;you got me there, and while in these irons i guess i'll also confess it was my plan all along, back in 2012, to find some lukewarm half-invested dood to do bitcoin-assets.
1883333;1545931135;asciilifeform;lol point
1883334;1545931140;mircea_popescu;i looked far and wide, among practically an ocean of more committed, seriouser etc folk. and so on.
1883335;1545931141;asciilifeform;'go to war with the army you have...'
1883336;1545931207;mircea_popescu;managing idiots is a game that can't be won, and ~ample experience~ is what informs my firm committment to tolerate no such thing.
1883337;1545931255;asciilifeform;coupla yrs ago , city sewage pipe to asciilifeform's hovel collapsed (from ~earlier~ inept construction work). monkey crew show up, digs, fails to find (!) . finally foreman, greybeard d00d in his 60s, takes over, cursing, drives the thing with own hands...
1883338;1545931264;mircea_popescu;come hell or high water, i'd rather manage my own household than whatever it is, nbc's movie arm, holcim's european sales, romania's only battleship or only central bank, WHATEVER it is -- if it comes with a "but must have some idiot" coda i'd rather fucking manage my household.
1883339;1545933056;BingoBoingo;In other news, apparently the Chicoms are getting ready to bring hard drive Gigs to RAM marketing https://archive.is/wBqSR#selection-3543.123-3543.242
1883340;1545933476;asciilifeform;'a 24-core ARM Cortex-A53 processor with 32GB of RAM; but the OS only sees 29.4GB of that RAM' << lol, what's the rest for, built-in botnet ??
1883341;1545933773;billymg;hi all, this past week i've been able to take advantage of the holiday vacation time to get a local workbench set up. i now have a proper gnat so was able to build phf's vdiff. i also have my blog running locally which makes it a lot easier to work on and test changes
1883342;1545933806;billymg;i created a vpatch for http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-22#1865184 < http://billymg.com/downloads/mp-wp_add-footnotes-and-textselectionjs.vpatch http://billymg.com/downloads/mp-wp_add-footnotes-and-textselectionjs.vpatch.billymg.sig however i am having trouble pressing it myself
1883343;1545933806;a111;Logged on 2018-10-22 21:26 billymg: what if i submitted a vpatch that adds the js-text-selection feature and the few lines of CSS to the "default" theme in mp-wp (blue header one)?
1883344;1545933855;billymg;the signature verifies, and i believe i have the diff and manifest syntax correct, but i'm getting the "not found in flow" error
1883345;1545936443;billymg;also i should note that i didn't include the css changes to the default theme in this patch because i thought a user might want to add one but not the other
1883346;1545936517;billymg;once i get the flow down and get this first patch working it will be easy to create more patches
1883347;1545937468;mircea_popescu;billymg nice! as it happens nicoleci 's been looking for a way to put her pic in the header, so maybe work together on a theme ?
1883348;1545937551;asciilifeform;in other noose, asciilifeform finally finished massaging the 14b coad; patch + writeup on conveyor for tonight
1883349;1545937650;asciilifeform;interestingly, measured penalty from HaveBarrelShifter := False  -- and turns out, on x64, it's <0.5% .
1883350;1545937975;asciilifeform;14b also includes nitpicks sent in by diana_coman & mircea_popescu .
1883351;1545938045;mircea_popescu;speaking of penalties : i dusted off ancient trb (pre agression), just for curiosity. turns out it sucks ~1 block/minute in the 450k range (ie, catches up with a year's chain per month, sorta thing).
1883352;1545938112;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: sounds about right. ( tho greatly depends on 'luck of the draw' )
1883353;1545938170;asciilifeform;( not only luck of ~the network~, but , perversely, the sadder the box , moar often it gets reset, the better pre-aggr trb worked.. )
1883354;1545938241;asciilifeform;need for sane sync only became obv to asciilifeform once he fixed the oom crapola etc
1883355;1545938372;mircea_popescu;this was never reset.
1883356;1545938402;asciilifeform;then, i suppose, blox fell reasonably often into its open mouth.
1883357;1545938430;asciilifeform;( old trb dun 'suck' blox, except on boot; it waits to be fed )
1883358;1545938532;asciilifeform;will note, even with the heap fragging nonsense, current trb has quite reasonable ram footprint; e.g. i run 'zoolag' on a 2GB box, and never manually reset aside from when deploying patch (coupla times in past yr)
1883359;1545938582;asciilifeform;no ooms either, ever since tossed 'orphanages' etc
1883360;1545938967;mircea_popescu;aha.
1883361;1545939058;asciilifeform;might recall, asciilifeform profiled the thing, it spends almost all cpu time in the db. will be interesting when we bolt on the O(1) indexer instead of the bdb horror.
1883362;1545939077;asciilifeform;(~100% of the ram footprint is blown on indexes, also)
1883363;1545939136;asciilifeform;for ~3 fucking yrs i was convinced that it spends cpu in sig verify; turned out - nope
1883364;1545939190;asciilifeform;( implication , naturally, is that even if the sig coad were to be replaced with constanttimeism, it would not appreciably change the cpu cost of noad.. )
1883365;1545939268;asciilifeform;not exactly mega-surprise, eccism worx on small (by rsa-planet standards) numbers.
1883366;1545939326;asciilifeform;at some point i'ma have to seriously dig into eccism, to date i've moar or less successfully avoided it, spat on it
1883367;1545939349;asciilifeform;but given as it is used on the classical net, will have to eat it.
1883368;1545939397;asciilifeform;( unless, i suppose, somebody else here wants to stand up and eat it, and write ecctron )
1883369;1545939458;asciilifeform;ftr it may even be possible to write a reasonably-performant ecctron in 'p'. i cannot currently say.
1883370;1545939594;mircea_popescu;yeah, sane db will be major boon to trb (also not news, discussed as such since original "devs are idiots" times)
1883371;1545939595;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, it's the theme on top because mine has a bit of very heavy handed my-way-or-the-highway re styles
1883372;1545939609;diana_coman;i.e. first strips everything and then applies what it's meant to be
1883373;1545939613;mircea_popescu;ah.
1883374;1545939625;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: fwiw i have the thing written ( and iirc even posted, 'unofficially' ), but it will take some sweat to properly glue & test.
1883375;1545939644;mircea_popescu;no rush anyways.
1883376;1545939654;asciilifeform;it was built on the mmap lib, which in turn gotta be polished off
1883377;1545939683;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-16#1873099 << last thrd on subj
1883378;1545939683;a111;Logged on 2018-11-16 23:13 asciilifeform: it is on hold pending resolution of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-26#1866266 ( and is taking back seat to ffa currently )
1883379;1545939753;asciilifeform;sane db, then sane cryptotron, then eventually whittle the cppism down to 0..
1883380;1545939782;asciilifeform;( rather like what diana_coman's been doing with own proggy )
1883381;1545939874;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: bdb recall also was used for 'wallet'; iirc trinque had an experiment going with tearing apart walletism
1883382;1545939884;asciilifeform;( i dun recall where , if anywhere, he got stuck )
1883383;1545939899;mircea_popescu;afaik he also focused on cuntoo.
1883384;1545939902;asciilifeform;aa
1883385;1545940085;billymg;mircea_popescu: sounds good!
1883386;1545940150;billymg;i also found out why e.g. http://bimbo.club is missing some background images, opposed to e.g. http://bvt-trace.net (and this was the original reason i went in to tweak the css)
1883387;1545940196;billymg;in the default theme's css from the genesis press there are some image links that don't resolve because of bad file extensions http://bimbo.club/wp-content/themes/default/style.css
1883388;1545940209;billymg;such as 'images/kubrickheader.jpg.svg'
1883389;1545940232;billymg;the images are there, but as 'name.svg'
1883390;1545940265;billymg;so wondering if maybe bvt or BingoBoingo caught this and updated, or what's there is from a different release of mp-wp
1883391;1545940287;billymg;but in any case, could also be a quick patch, just to fix the file links
1883392;1545940352;BingoBoingo;billymg: I just made my theme by deleting stuff from the default and occasionally adding text particular to what I want from my blog.
1883393;1545940407;mircea_popescu;aaa!
1883394;1545940413;mircea_popescu;right, this comes from all that conversion stuff we did
1883395;1545940546;billymg;ahh makes sense then
1883396;1545940551;hanbot;billymg current mp-wp should absolutely not have any .jpg.svg flotsam; kubrickheader for instance is .svg
1883397;1545940758;billymg;hanbot: going by the vpatch i found here http://thewhet.net/2018/06/mp-wp-genesis-regrind/ or http://btcbase.org/data/mp-wp/ the file does seem to contain a few references to e.g. .jpg.svg, .png.svg
1883398;1545940785;billymg;the files seem to all be consistently .svg though
1883399;1545941297;hanbot;holy cow, why the shit. thank you billymg for spotting!
1883400;1545941396;billymg;of course! :D
1883401;1545941423;billymg;hanbot: if you like i could make and test a patch to submit for review
1883402;1545941438;mircea_popescu;that's be tits.
1883403;1545941443;hanbot;indeed, go fer it
1883404;1545941449;billymg;cool cool :)
1883405;1545941462;trinque;asciilifeform: walletsnip patch works great, just need to find time to regrind and further test. and aha, meanwhile diverted to cuntoo so we have a l00nix
1883406;1545941580;asciilifeform;neato
1883407;1545941593;trinque;once off that, I might see about ebuilding trb (with perhaps phf's v+portage work if it surfaces), and then mircea_popescu's gns v-tree, unless gpg replacement surfaces soon, in which case deedbot->peh work
1883408;1545941605;trinque;or w/e the gpg replacement's name is
1883409;1545941615;asciilifeform;trinque: i dun expect that part will require very much sweat
1883410;1545941618;asciilifeform;at least in re cuntoo
1883411;1545941648;billymg;i do however still need to figure out why i can't press http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-27#1883342 -- before i can create new patches. if anyone has time to take a look or suggest debug tips i'd much appreciate it
1883412;1545941648;a111;Logged on 2018-12-27 18:03 billymg: i created a vpatch for http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-22#1865184 < http://billymg.com/downloads/mp-wp_add-footnotes-and-textselectionjs.vpatch http://billymg.com/downloads/mp-wp_add-footnotes-and-textselectionjs.vpatch.billymg.sig however i am having trouble pressing it myself
1883413;1545941675;mircea_popescu;bitcoin rly should come standard in cuntoo anyway. alongside proper rsatron and proper dbtron/webserver.
1883414;1545941699;mircea_popescu;billymg are you using phf's latest ?
1883415;1545941709;mircea_popescu;because i recall a similar problem in ~old~ vtrons
1883416;1545941739;billymg;i created the vpatch diff with vdiff pressed from vtools_ksum
1883417;1545941769;diana_coman;billymg, what did you vdiff against?
1883418;1545941799;billymg;it could also be my v.py, although i was able to press vtools and mp-wp genesis fine with it
1883419;1545941829;bvt;billymg: i fixed the links to the images manually, working over version rolled out by BingoBoingo (http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-12#1871585)
1883420;1545941829;a111;Logged on 2018-11-12 20:25 bvt: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-12#1871478 << fixing/replacing the theme is on my todo list, however i still haven't fixed all the problems in wp-admin (png/jpg vs svg), so work on the theme will have to wait a bit.
1883421;1545941900;billymg;diana_coman: i made a copy of the directory that came from pressing the genesis (keeping the original), made my changes, then diffed the two directories
1883422;1545941918;billymg;well, first copied both to a/ b/ respectively
1883423;1545941927;billymg;then vdiff'd
1883424;1545941976;mircea_popescu;hm.
1883425;1545941990;diana_coman;billymg, sounds good; when you say genesis I assume you mean http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_genesis ; correct?
1883426;1545941993;billymg;bvt: thanks, good to know
1883427;1545942005;billymg;diana_coman: correct
1883428;1545942125;billymg;diana_coman: i loaded the necessary files into the patches/ .seals/ .wot directory structure and ran them through v.py (exact steps here: http://billymg.com/2018/10/the-complete-noobs-guide-to-setting-up-mp-wp-on-a-pizarro-rock-chip-server/)
1883429;1545942337;bvt;billymg: it seems that you should move directory mp-wp into directories a, b, not rename them.
1883430;1545942347;billymg;aha
1883431;1545942372;billymg;lemme try
1883432;1545942422;bvt;i.e. in hanbot genesis, there is a/mp-wp/manifest, while in your vpatch a/manifest
1883433;1545942447;billymg;good catch, that's probably it
1883434;1545943641;billymg;ok, updated and it now presses but when i inspect the resulting directory the changes aren't there (it also came with an error i saw before on genesis, about a file's hash not matching expected -- i assumed this was because my v.py is pre-keccak)
1883435;1545943683;billymg;i'll do some more debugging, and also grab a newer v.py, and see i can get it working
1883436;1545943693;billymg;if i*
1883437;1545943770;mircea_popescu;gotta use the keccak version anyway.
1883438;1545944129;billymg;yeah, i've been dragging my feet on that (although the vpatch itself was created with a keccak vdiff tool). will update and report back
1883439;1545944146;diana_coman;billymg, well, if the hash is not keccak, you can't exactly press it on top of a keccak patch; and moreover if the sig doesn't verify then it doesn't press it so how would the changes be there?
1883440;1545944226;bvt;billymg: i assume v.py pressed genesis, started checking hashes and errored out before applying next vpatch (with your changes).
1883441;1545944656;billymg;diana_coman: my understanding was that as long as i created the vpatch with a keccak-compatible vdiff then the hashes would be consistent with genesis and it would be ok. this assumption came from me being able to press vtools and mp-wp with my current v.py (grabbed from the link in the trb setup guide)
1883442;1545944698;diana_coman;vtools uses sha iirc?
1883443;1545944752;billymg;i pressed from the `vtools_ksum` patch http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=vtools&search=
1883444;1545944951;diana_coman;probably best look into it and figure out what you are using really
1883445;1545945032;diana_coman;from what you say it would seem that you are actually using a keccak version but that doesn't fit with what you said earlier re checksums not matching
1883446;1545945100;billymg;yeah, i think i'm using a keccak version vdiff for creating the patch, but attempting to press with a sha v.py
1883447;1545945118;billymg;i will look at http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vpy-updated-for-vtools/ for a new version
1883448;1545945168;billymg;sorry for the slow pace, i'm still learning a lot as i go
1883449;1545945273;diana_coman;billymg, this might help perhaps too: http://ossasepia.com/2018/11/13/v-with-vtools-keccak-hashes-and-its-own-tree/
1883450;1545945404;billymg;diana_coman: ah, ty
1883451;1545950455;feedbot;http://bimbo.club/2018/12/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-september-and-october-1715-part-iii/ << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of September and October, 1715 - Part III.
1883452;1545960881;mircea_popescu;https://github.com/ariya/phantomjs/issues/15344 << in other not-really-news, phantomjs either died or something like that early this year.
1883453;1545960892;asciilifeform;wtf was it ?
1883454;1545960927;mircea_popescu;state of the art re de-javascriptifying afaik.
1883455;1545961155;asciilifeform;i.e. 1 of those http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-25#1866191 warcrimes ?
1883456;1545961155;a111;Logged on 2018-10-25 19:10 asciilifeform: when you add compatibility spackle, serious reader is not saved from reading the thing you spackled over -- on the contrary nao he has to read the ~original~ rubbish ~plus~ your spackle, however much it weighs.
1883457;1545961198;mircea_popescu;well, if you're going to replicate archive.is, you're going to use ~something~ to go from webshitsoup to plain html.
1883458;1545961205;mircea_popescu;and if you don't replicate it, well...
1883459;1545961209;asciilifeform;( a 'js lib' dun 'dejavascriptify' any moar than 'qt' de-x11-ifies )
1883460;1545961223;mircea_popescu;you have to, somehow, move from a to b.
1883461;1545961267;asciilifeform;1 possible move is instead from 'a' to 'c', i.e. to entirely new, sane stack, where e.g. sexprs instead of htmlolade and 'scheme' subset instead of jsolade.
1883462;1545961294;mircea_popescu;you're not even parsing what i'm saying here.
1883463;1545961317;asciilifeform;was speaking specifically of existing browserisms ? then sure.
1883464;1545961334;mircea_popescu;are you aware that curl will not in point of fact produce copies of shitty imperial websites, because those shitty imperial websides use javascript to fuck with the dom ?
1883465;1545961369;mircea_popescu;we have a hole in the process here, where bash existence is not === browser existence. phantomjs used to fill it, or at least mostly, or so i thought.
1883466;1545961377;mircea_popescu;as things stand right now, though, there IS a hole.
1883467;1545961381;asciilifeform;a. yes
1883468;1545961416;asciilifeform;there were other 'headless browsers'; i've used 'selenium' in particular (~8 or so yrs ago), it worked (then)
1883469;1545961446;asciilifeform;( loox like i was wrong re what the subj of thread was; thought it was a js layer lib )
1883470;1545961479;mircea_popescu;prime target for pantsuit shenanigans ; i expect a lot of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877139 going on. because otherwise, very much a problem of http://trilema.com/2016/give-computers-the-vote-theyre-cheaper-than-women-even/
1883471;1545961479;a111;Logged on 2018-12-01 02:00 asciilifeform: by the time someone reverses, they change it, and force the idjit users to 'upgrade'
1883472;1545961494;asciilifeform;verily, it's pestilentially universal in heathendom www
1883473;1545961507;mircea_popescu;but it occurs to me we kinda HAVE TO maintain the browser===bash equivalency.
1883474;1545961509;asciilifeform;'load article + 50MB of ads via dynamic js'
1883475;1545961530;asciilifeform;+ rowhammer.js , lol, naturally..
1883476;1545961550;mircea_popescu;subset of turing test, if you will. if there exists means to mechanically distinguish browsering luser from bashing republican, the world is broken.
1883477;1545961617;asciilifeform;in asciilifeform's experience, gold standard for this is a cycle-accurate emul of luser-os , with kbd/mouse controlled by e.g. cl proggy.
1883478;1545961629;*;asciilifeform used, successfully, for various spamtronics
1883479;1545961659;asciilifeform;it is also what e.g. the pokerists, use.
1883480;1545961698;asciilifeform;can haz whatever one likes in the emul, even , say, 'internet exploder' complete with bugola, etc
1883481;1545961745;asciilifeform;the win from this pov is that you dun need the 100kg of liquishit of grasping/emulating js+browserbreakages+etc but only x86 (10kg of liquishit).
1883482;1545961775;asciilifeform;you bring up the emulated box for each session, and tear it down after (ramdisk).
1883483;1545961803;asciilifeform;somewhat surprisingly, mmap makes this less 'heavy' than appears at first glance.
1883484;1545961833;*;asciilifeform used system roughly along these lines for auto-analysis of shitwares
1883485;1545961867;asciilifeform;in shitwareology, it is absolutely vital that the instrument be minimally distinguishable from actual 'luser box'. (thinkaboutit.)
1883486;1545961907;mircea_popescu;for crying out loud, a virtual machine running firefox just to do what lobbesbot does atm in case archive.is croaks ?!
1883487;1545961922;*;asciilifeform ended up building an actual iron pc-like, with instrumented ram, faux disk, etc. this was described in ancient thread.
1883488;1545961929;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: paradoxically it is the simplest known pill.
1883489;1545961933;mircea_popescu;yeah but kinda diff app
1883490;1545961939;asciilifeform;actually very similar app.
1883491;1545961942;mircea_popescu;dude, the archive russki fellow utterly doesn't do this.
1883492;1545961955;asciilifeform;if he doesn't, he's theoretically open to, e.g. rowhammer.js .
1883493;1545961986;asciilifeform;( as well as various incompats. erry 10 or so links that asciilifeform feeds to 'archive', dun actually archive. not even via the 'hypothesis.is' and similar kludges. )
1883494;1545962017;asciilifeform;btw i'm not aware that he published his complete mechanism. ( did he ? )
1883495;1545962114;asciilifeform;afaik , it is indeed easier to write a reliable x86 emulator, and run shitfox & exploder , etc -- than to build a shitfox-and-exploder emulator. sad but troo.
1883496;1545962196;asciilifeform;for all that intel tried, it was not able to stuff anywhere near the poundage of complexity-liquishit found in even old www browser, into x86 .
1883497;1545962234;asciilifeform;i had emulators successfully running even winblowz 7, etc.
1883498;1545962342;asciilifeform;imho a proper, adatronic x64 emulator, would be a handy thing.
1883499;1545962350;*;asciilifeform doesn't have one yet, sadly
1883500;1545962393;asciilifeform;what i had, was a lightly patched 'qemu' (removed all the 'acceleration' nonsense that wants to run as root and then gets you owned)
1883501;1545962441;asciilifeform;that variant was far short of ideal -- iron on which one runs it still has to be considered disposable
1883502;1545965805;asciilifeform;in other noose, finished ch14b writeup, will post after proofread.
1883503;1545967563;feedbot;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2892 << Loper OS -- Finite Field Arithmetic. Chapter 14B: Barretts Modular Reduction. (Part 2 of 2.)
1883504;1545967579;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, diana_coman , et al ^
1883505;1545967600;asciilifeform;!Q later tell phf plox to snarf ch. 14b into http://btcbase.org/patches , ty !
1883506;1545967601;lobbesbot;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1883507;1545967654;*;asciilifeform bbl,meat
1883508;1546009099;asciilifeform;meanwhile: $ wc -l libffa/* >> 4559 total ; $ wc -l ffacalc/* >> 1226 total .
1883509;1546009532;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2892#selection-4511.0-4595.6 << rsa timings.
1883510;1546010977;mircea_popescu;not even bad.
1883511;1546011755;asciilifeform;there's a surprise waiting, gimme a coupla min
1883512;1546012009;mircea_popescu;in other random not-news, 37.187.150.139 is "ddosing" trilema by loading random pages ; but with a few select "lurkmore.to" pages as referrer.
1883513;1546012062;mircea_popescu;i hope i didn't say something to offend teh russki patriot, did i ? http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-20#1882391 is just a neutral observation, not in any sense ~my fault~ they're morons.
1883514;1546012062;a111;Logged on 2018-12-20 15:46 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform on meditation, that piece makes it plainly evident redditardation is ~generational~, not ideological. there sit the russki kids, who'd be in a fine position to understand the problem. god knows they have much better access to much better priors that readily illuminate it.
1883515;1546012074;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i got these too !
1883516;1546012078;asciilifeform;9000 just today.
1883517;1546012101;mircea_popescu;possibly you shouldn't have agreed!
1883518;1546012401;feedbot;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2906 << Loper OS -- Finite Field Arithmetic vs MPI.
1883519;1546012416;asciilifeform;^ newyear present for mircea_popescu & diana_coman
1883520;1546012418;*;asciilifeform brb,teatime
1883521;1546012548;mircea_popescu;Turns out, Koch’s pile of shit, despite eschewing constant time arithmetic, and being implemented in Overflowandcrashlang… loses the footrace, when given a full-width modular exponentiation (i.e. one where it cannot cheat by skipping over leading zeroes.)
1883522;1546012555;mircea_popescu;this was never controversial was it.
1883523;1546014650;asciilifeform;that it would lose on ~speed~ ?!
1883524;1546014660;asciilifeform;until hr ago i was deadly certain that it couldn't
1883525;1546014710;asciilifeform;( considering that, e.g. http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2798#selection-5181.0-5211.75 )
1883526;1546014759;asciilifeform;and that he still gets to skip , theoretically , ~half~ of the work of a modexp with random inputs (half the bits of exp are 0, and in kochian modexp dun result in a mul/square cycle)
1883527;1546014784;asciilifeform;but what we find is that -- even on decade-old irons -- he loses moar to the branch predictor, than he wins from skipping
1883528;1546014881;asciilifeform;incidentally, it's a 'fair fight', i.e. both ch14 ffa and mpi-koch lack asmism
1883529;1546014895;asciilifeform;but i expect ffa-cum-asmism will still beat shit out of koch-cum-asmism
1883530;1546014930;asciilifeform;( and incidentally if you disable the bounds checks, having been satisfied with the proofs, ffa speeds up by another 2x 'for phree' )
1883531;1546015236;*;asciilifeform fixed formatting barf in post
1883532;1546015600;asciilifeform;turns out, the entire justification for use of branching in rsa at all, is bogus. ( and 'short exps' aint a justification -- if you know the max length of your e in advance, you can use fixed exponentiator , same as i do )
1883533;1546015661;asciilifeform;i.e. you win moar from not upending the cache, than you lose by doing erry single bit of modexp and muxing.
1883534;1546015821;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: phunphakt, since last night , massive uptick in heathens visiting ffa www, even curl'ing patches. but so far none have the balls to speak up.
1883535;1546015915;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in my mind the idea was that if you force non-republican software to use republican exponents it will either crash or take forever.
1883536;1546015933;mircea_popescu;hence why original choice for full sized exponents, "why let enemy enjoy the fruits of his lies"
1883537;1546015945;mircea_popescu;moreover you know, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-26#1573488
1883538;1546015945;a111;Logged on 2016-11-26 16:31 asciilifeform: koch's shitball per se is written in such a way that the cruft is glued on with broken glass (all the ciphers are modularized in very gnarly multilayered way, whole thing relies through and through on his weirdo streams thing, 1,001 idiocies)
1883539;1546015950;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is tru re gpg per se
1883540;1546015974;asciilifeform;test was re koch's arithm engine (which does take arbitrary exps etc, and a patched ver is used in e.g. phuctor)
1883541;1546015985;mircea_popescu;yeah but i mean...
1883542;1546015993;mircea_popescu;WHY was it true re gpg per se ?
1883543;1546016001;asciilifeform;he hardcoded a short buffer, iirc, lol
1883544;1546016015;asciilifeform;gpg itself is substantially moar crippled than koch's mpi lib
1883545;1546016035;asciilifeform;( which i suspect is largely cribbed, but i dun specifically know from where )
1883546;1546016038;mircea_popescu;still, gpg itself uses mpi to do the mathing
1883547;1546016043;asciilifeform;aha
1883548;1546016048;mircea_popescu;same place rms got emacs im sure.
1883549;1546016056;mircea_popescu;teh goddess.
1883550;1546016070;asciilifeform;the copy on my www ( and later cleaned further by diana_coman ) is from gpg 1.4.10 ( itself from signed tar that mircea_popescu dug in in '14 )
1883551;1546016079;mircea_popescu;aha.
1883552;1546016102;mircea_popescu;anyway, sorry if i inadvertently rained. tis indeed great news, and it being expected great news dun detract from greatness.
1883553;1546016123;asciilifeform;possibly mircea_popescu is simply less thick than asciilifeform and expected the find
1883554;1546016134;asciilifeform;( i.e. that branch predictor nukes ~all~ win from skipping zeros )
1883555;1546016135;mircea_popescu;possibly more thick, expected the find :D
1883556;1546016139;asciilifeform;lol
1883557;1546016177;mircea_popescu;anyway, yes, we're here ending "computing", and good for you.
1883558;1546016178;asciilifeform;btw i expect that on moar recent irons, with gigantic caches, diff will be even moar palpable
1883559;1546016195;mircea_popescu;imo putting an end to "software development" much greater achievement for human race than "decrypting bolix"
1883560;1546016195;asciilifeform;( anyone have an 'i7' handy ? )
1883561;1546016233;asciilifeform;bolix is a sort of rommel's afrika front to this.
1883562;1546016272;asciilifeform;( which reminds me, i still have a bolix post queued on conveyor )
1883563;1546016410;asciilifeform;re 'end to software' : http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2892#selection-985.1-1041.25 .
1883564;1546016507;*;asciilifeform loox at scrolling wwwbox log, waves to the academitards
1883565;1546016564;mircea_popescu;i'm not even sure how that kelvin thing's supposed to work ; notably bothj knuth and mod6 attempted it, but the problem with starting with a number is that you don't know what to pick.
1883566;1546016585;mircea_popescu;nature found 273.15 i suppose the same way it computed ocean level ; but we're not quite equal to nature.
1883567;1546016586;asciilifeform;it requires knowing what yer doing.
1883568;1546016601;mircea_popescu;so how did you pick 255 and he 10k and knuth whatever it was, 100
1883569;1546016626;asciilifeform;with guts.
1883570;1546016668;asciilifeform;i.e. 'if this thing needs >255 vpatches after today, then asciilifeform is a tard and somebody else ought to do the whole fucking job over'
1883571;1546016682;mircea_popescu;lmao, your guts know what you're doing ?
1883572;1546016711;mircea_popescu;looky, management is a rational activity. there's nothing wrong with hanging kids for having failed to master spanish in two weeks -- just as long as you can answer as to how you came up wih the two weeks.
1883573;1546016722;asciilifeform;it also has gut component.
1883574;1546016728;asciilifeform;just like shoemakin' and any other art.
1883575;1546016745;mircea_popescu;this is like saying language has innate poetry.
1883576;1546016750;mircea_popescu;only because someone had a fucking clue ~before~.
1883577;1546016778;asciilifeform;at some pt you gotta make a cut where you dun have exact logical support for precisely what cut.
1883578;1546016803;asciilifeform;whether it's 'attack is at quarter past dawn' or 'this needs <=255 patches or fuck it'
1883579;1546016838;asciilifeform;incidentally i expected mircea_popescu to say '255 is laughably generous'
1883580;1546016871;mircea_popescu;there's great cause to attack at dawn : morale superiority. there's also great cause to attack at night, note eg dracula's not famous for attacking the turkish camp at dawn and nearly making sultan run off.
1883581;1546016885;asciilifeform;ya but why quarter past, and not 33min.
1883582;1546016886;asciilifeform;gut.
1883583;1546016911;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the discussion spawned from me going "wtf is the POINT of even counting to 255, nobody can fit such in head" that then merged into "how do you know ?" which resulted in the predictable "i wonder how the fuck does ~he~ know"
1883584;1546016939;asciilifeform;fwiw i gave orig vtron, 'v.py' , 100. it's on 97 (phf's revision) and when i get around to massaging it, i suppose will be 96, and i dunsee why to touch it again after that..
1883585;1546016963;mircea_popescu;turns out he doesn't know ; in context probably dunbar's number is the saner approach.
1883586;1546016964;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how does bridge constructor decide 'it should hold 50 tanks time margin of 3' and not 55 and not 45.
1883587;1546016973;asciilifeform;correct.
1883588;1546017049;mircea_popescu;the larger problem is "what is meant by a patch". i doubt the item can survive ~even one~ major alterations. meanwhile "hey, you spelled theyre with an apostrophe" needn't be counted (but need be fixed)
1883589;1546017070;asciilifeform;a patch in the context is a vpatch.
1883590;1546017073;mircea_popescu;in short, putting numbers on the human mind's http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881724 process is gonna be painful.
1883591;1546017073;a111;Logged on 2018-12-19 17:09 mircea_popescu: natural language, however, ablates the trees for "convenience" so to speak, ie, uses commonly what's known in computing as sparse trees.
1883592;1546017086;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i know, but not all vpatches are created equal.
1883593;1546017087;asciilifeform;which can carry some qty of change ( i hold to the practice of keeping'em reasonably compact )
1883594;1546017109;asciilifeform;the declaration i want to make with 'kelvins' is that there is such a thing as a correct program.
1883595;1546017116;asciilifeform;to which one can converge.
1883596;1546017134;mircea_popescu;the vpatch that adds a "except if number is 5577, math doesn't work for 5577" is a VERY different patch from the vpatch that adds "here's a sentence ended by a comma turned ended by a dot instead"
1883597;1546017149;asciilifeform;( where it dun make sense to make anymoar changes without simply baking new item out of the dismembered corpse of old )
1883598;1546017172;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's more than that : a) that there's such a thing as a correct program ; b) to which one can converge ; c) in a finite number of itemized steps ; d) the count therewhich can be known in advance.
1883599;1546017183;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if i v-versioned the ~docs~, we'd be at 50-ish, nao, i suppose
1883600;1546017199;mircea_popescu;yet our ideal is literate code, as in, docs in the program.
1883601;1546017221;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: upper bounds can be known in advance . ( in ffadom, at least. ) in larger meta-heuristics, naturally cannot be ~known~, but can be estimated.
1883602;1546017237;mircea_popescu;ok, how.
1883603;1546017274;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if someone knows how to make ffa moar 'docs is the program'-y, oughta write in and tell asciilifeform , cuz i came as close to it as i knew how.
1883604;1546017292;asciilifeform;( and it still needed conventional docs, illustrations, etc )
1883605;1546017303;mircea_popescu;seems to me the unspoken heuristic is, "large enough so it's not meaningful [and therefore large enough to not bother] and small enough so it's not larger than some other number i thought about".
1883606;1546017308;mircea_popescu;this doesn't make for much.
1883607;1546017323;asciilifeform;imho the haskellism where 'program carries proof' is generally a sad thing and results in soup
1883608;1546017333;mircea_popescu;not proof ; comments. like knuth wrote them.
1883609;1546017346;asciilifeform;thing's about 50-60% comment by mass.
1883610;1546017383;mircea_popescu;right. and such a thing as typos in those comments is possible. this entire line is the result of your ineffectual sideswiping.
1883611;1546017395;asciilifeform;there's at least 1 still in'ere.
1883612;1546017447;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-28#1883605 << it is impossible to defend against this criticism, as formulated, so i won't try
1883613;1546017447;a111;Logged on 2018-12-28 17:15 mircea_popescu: seems to me the unspoken heuristic is, "large enough so it's not meaningful [and therefore large enough to not bother] and small enough so it's not larger than some other number i thought about".
1883614;1546017491;mircea_popescu;in short : "why not say the magic number 3 ?" "because maybe i need to fix a typo, and i dun wanna lose 1 out of 3 for this, but i do wanna fix it" "so how do you know 1 in 255 is ok to lose for this ?" "um http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-18#1686299 "
1883615;1546017491;a111;Logged on 2017-07-18 22:58 asciilifeform: whaack is quite likely thinking of the bulk of the b00k, which consists of blockcipher liquishit which is complicated for no reason at all other than the religion where 'it is confusing to ME, author, and therefore Must Be Hard To Break'
1883616;1546017511;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-04-29#650478 << see also.
1883617;1546017511;a111;Logged on 2014-04-29 22:56 asciilifeform: 'Dijkstra said angrily. (He’d been visibly shaking his head through out the talk even before this outburst.) “How many bugs are we going to tolerate?” he demanded. “Seven,” Teitelman shot back.'
1883618;1546017528;mircea_popescu;!Qcalc 255/7
1883619;1546017529;lobbesbot;mircea_popescu: 36.4285714286
1883620;1546017531;mircea_popescu;seems we've improved.
1883621;1546017536;asciilifeform;lol
1883622;1546017610;asciilifeform;i'll be surprised if i haven't nailed the last comment typo by the time done adding chapter-sized knobs, tbh
1883623;1546017639;mircea_popescu;the fundamental promise involved in the concept of number, as a scalar measure of something
1883624;1546017645;mircea_popescu;is thgat it'll be applied to like things
1883625;1546017657;mircea_popescu;my objection inter alia is that this is not satisfied here ; makes us look like a bunch of retards.
1883626;1546017705;asciilifeform;let's hear mircea_popescu's logical end of the stick tho. mircea_popescu finds himself partizan commander again, in the field. has 300 men. how he decides how many to send to ambush nazi convoy ?
1883627;1546017753;mircea_popescu;any details re this convoy ?
1883628;1546017818;asciilifeform;let's say scout reported a 1k-man garrison in the point of origin. and nobody knows precisely how many hauptmann fuckface will be sending.
1883629;1546017838;mircea_popescu;im not sending anyone.
1883630;1546017845;asciilifeform;lol
1883631;1546017856;mircea_popescu;well what's the incentive ?
1883632;1546017902;asciilifeform;e.g. you gotta keep'em from linking up with neighbouring pile o'jerries, they'll encircle you and yer done
1883633;1546017910;mircea_popescu;im sending everyone.
1883634;1546017921;mircea_popescu;see ? there's ~reasoning~.
1883635;1546017924;asciilifeform;good, yer erryone register is 8bit long
1883636;1546017930;asciilifeform;you nao sent 255, congrats
1883637;1546017965;mircea_popescu;so your reasoning was that if some bits get left out the koch is gonna eat them ?
1883638;1546017982;asciilifeform;not as such
1883639;1546018011;asciilifeform;my reasoning is 'must pick a number, distinguish item from the endless moron march of firefox etc'
1883640;1546018168;mircea_popescu;not even ff reached 255 yet. but anyway, i think this is exhausted
1883641;1546018175;mircea_popescu;"gotta pick something" and all that.
1883642;1546023047;asciilifeform;meanwhile, pehbot updated
1883643;1546023049;asciilifeform;!!up pehbot
1883644;1546023050;deedbot;pehbot voiced for 30 minutes.
1883645;1546023072;asciilifeform;!A V_[FFACalc Ver: ]#
1883646;1546023073;pehbot;asciilifeform: FFACalc Ver: 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000FF
1883647;1546023080;asciilifeform;!A V[FFA Ver: ]#
1883648;1546023080;pehbot;asciilifeform: FFA Ver: 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000FF
1883649;1546023094;asciilifeform;nuffin to write home about; but there, current.
1883650;1546023193;asciilifeform;( if not for irc line char # cap, could even make it do 2048bit widths, rsa etc. will still fire faster than ping lag on typical day..)
1883651;1546025462;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in ancient l0gz, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-26#1573520 << still, interestingly, live.
1883652;1546025462;a111;Logged on 2016-11-26 19:16 mircea_popescu: and in other news, a... bar. http://68.media.tumblr.com/95befa3bb9c2e4fac4f3dfb4a94b23e6/tumblr_mrxj9415lX1sfcru6o1_1280.jpg
1883653;1546025464;asciilifeform;despite 'ban'
1883654;1546025490;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-26#1573536 << ditto. and, come to think of it, ~all of'em.
1883655;1546025490;a111;Logged on 2016-11-26 22:20 mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the slut party, http://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lard124fV41qzw9y2o1_1280.jpg
1883656;1546026279;diana_coman;oh wow asciilifeform !
1883657;1546026298;*;diana_coman catches up
1883658;1546026567;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/12/stanislav-datskovskiy-publishes-fully-constant-time-code-for-barretts-modular-reduction-as-part-of-ffa-library/ << Qntra -- Stanislav Datskovskiy Publishes Fully Constant Time Code For Barrett's Modular Reduction As Part Of FFA Library
1883659;1546026759;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile in local lulz, confiscated drugs liberated from the police in motorcycle snatch and grab https://www.teledoce.com/telemundo/policiales/en-san-jose-robaron-145-envoltorios-de-droga-que-habian-incautado-a-un-hombre-minutos-antes/
1883660;1546027378;asciilifeform;lollers BingoBoingo
1883661;1546027608;asciilifeform;diana_coman: lulzy, neh. we do 4 MUL instrs for each word x word , and we do each ADD & SUB ~twice~ ( http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1913#selection-3319.14-3343.1 ) ( plus buncha ands, ors, shifts ) , and ~still~ win...
1883662;1546027788;diana_coman;on one hand there is what mircea_popescu says that yes, by now and given the type of rot it's actually to be expected; on the other hand it's of the sort that still sounds...unbelievable, yes
1883663;1546027804;asciilifeform;btw there's a 'seekrit' 30% linear speed boost if one uses unrolled combas.
1883664;1546027818;asciilifeform;( not in any patch yet, but pasted last summer )
1883665;1546027844;asciilifeform;and incidentally it wins for same reason -- branch predictors suck
1883666;1546027898;asciilifeform;for some particular applications (e.g. gossipd) it (and asmism etc) justified.
1883667;1546027962;asciilifeform;( http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-12#1860844 << see also oldthread where the same effect )
1883668;1546027962;a111;Logged on 2018-10-12 13:52 asciilifeform: ( bonus is that the closed form is not only constant time, but substantially faster on pc, nomoar branch prediction misses )
1883669;1546027996;asciilifeform;the other thing we get, is of course http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-08#1722435 .
1883670;1546027996;a111;Logged on 2017-10-08 00:20 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-07#1722411 << 1 ) ffa is closed form. i.e. it CAN be written as a number of nand gates, with a 'funnel' at the top, to which you present a,b,c, e.g. 4096bit, numbers, and at the bottom in a little cup you get a^b mod c , and with NO UPWARDS FEEDBACK FLOW of information , i.e. answer comes after same interval of time always, and with strictly downwards signals.
1883671;1546028014;asciilifeform;( i.e. thing is siliconizable, in principle. )
1883672;1546028760;asciilifeform;diana_coman -- will be interesting to see benchmarks from your irons, if you get the chance.
1883673;1546028831;diana_coman;asciilifeform, I'll try to get to it but more probably in January really
1883674;1546028839;asciilifeform;no particular hurry
1883675;1546028859;asciilifeform;( the key work for diana_coman et al, from ffaology pov, is to eat the proofs )
1883676;1546028931;diana_coman;that's precisely why the slow pace - I need a bit of fresher mind to get back and read through the rest of ffa
1883677;1546028946;asciilifeform;this is the place where slow an' careful is the Right Thing.
1883678;1546028973;diana_coman;that being said, I dug up and yes, I even have an i7 around here
1883679;1546028988;asciilifeform;you may find it interesting that asciilifeform's 1st shot at barrett managed to have a subtly fatal mistake in the proof, and correspondingly a proggy that failed on <0.1% of input space.
1883680;1546029016;diana_coman;sadly though no amount of slow is any guarantee of perfection still
1883681;1546029036;asciilifeform;( hence the somewhat pedantic treatment of the subj, 2 separate proofolade articles. was going for 'measure 7777 times, cut 1ce' there. )
1883682;1546029102;diana_coman;fwiw I like very much that "pedantic" there
1883683;1546029189;asciilifeform;btw it is possible to dispense with FZ_LoMul , and simply discard upper chunk of ordinary karatsuba product. this costs ~10% cpuwise, and may be justified for some proggies.
1883684;1546029196;asciilifeform;( where yer tryin' to save coad space )
1883685;1546029257;asciilifeform;( http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881560 << see also. technically applies to ~errything after ch6. )
1883686;1546029257;a111;Logged on 2018-12-18 20:14 asciilifeform: barrett is 'optional' (technically errything after ch6 is!)
1883687;1546029351;asciilifeform;diana_coman: sadly i do not know how to 'guarantee perfection'. all i know how to do is to bake maximally 'fits in head' and bank that the folx here will find mistake if it turns out that i made one.
1883688;1546029430;asciilifeform;( and it is fortunately much easier to find mistake in 5k loc , with ~one~ execution path, than in 150kloc with 900000 paths... )
1883689;1546029480;diana_coman;certainly
1883690;1546029831;asciilifeform;the other thing, if one is writing a proggy where only 1 ffawidth is used, it is possible to unroll all of the loops, derecursivize karatsuba, etc. and get straight line of instructions
1883691;1546029887;asciilifeform;( i.e. sequence where only ADD, SUB, MUL, SHR/SHL, MOV, all the way from head to toe , a,b,c in, a^b mod c comes out )
1883692;1546030046;asciilifeform;aanyways, teatime, bbl.
1883693;1546045376;BingoBoingo;More on the riot in Malvin. This is what happens when a country likes sports, wants to compete on an elite level regionally, and can only field two teams: https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/imm-hara-una-denuncia-penal-por-disturbios-durante-festejo-de-navidad-en-malvin-20181228202844
1883694;1546050698;feedbot;http://bimbo.club/2018/12/the-tippecanoe-river/ << Bimbo.Club -- The Tippecanoe River
1883695;1546104162;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in misc. lulz, http://michaelnielsen.org/polymath1/index.php?title=An_efficient_algorithm_exists_if_Cramer%27s_conjecture_holds
1883696;1546104307;asciilifeform;( via http://michaelnielsen.org/polymath1/index.php?title=Finding_primes , a www about http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-07#1733382 , but somewhat poor snr... )
1883697;1546104307;a111;Logged on 2017-11-07 16:36 asciilifeform: let's model the ideal prime-shitter. it would be an item that takes integer N , of whatever bitness, and produce the Nth prime ( or eggog if the Nth prime is bigger than the register bitness permitted. )
1883698;1546104425;asciilifeform;https://arxiv.org/abs/1009.3956 << lol, they're a bourbaki apparently.
1883699;1546104716;asciilifeform;elsewhere, on same subj, http://probableprime.org/images/primality-times.png << handy.
1883700;1546104796;asciilifeform;( tldr : miller-rabin still king.. )
1883701;1546115022;billymg;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-27#1883449 < quick update: using diana_coman's keccak-compatible v.pl, the vpatch i posted before pressed without issue. will write up a blog post with details on the patch, and another post with the patch for the svg file links
1883702;1546115022;a111;Logged on 2018-12-27 21:14 diana_coman: billymg, this might help perhaps too: http://ossasepia.com/2018/11/13/v-with-vtools-keccak-hashes-and-its-own-tree/
1883703;1546115085;billymg;in the mean time, if anyone else would like to test, the files here should work for you: http://billymg.com/downloads/mp-wp_add-footnotes-and-textselectionjs.vpatch http://billymg.com/downloads/mp-wp_add-footnotes-and-textselectionjs.vpatch.billymg.sig
1883704;1546115162;billymg;family is visiting today so won't be around for the rest of the evening though, back online tomorrow
1883705;1546118232;BingoBoingo;!Qlater tell mod6 http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/7mJ94/?raw=true
1883706;1546118232;lobbesbot;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
1883707;1546118273;BingoBoingo;!!invoice mod6 0.00216 Shared Hosting 1 Year
1883708;1546118280;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/AiYrB/?raw=true
1883709;1546118313;BingoBoingo;!!invoice mod6 0.0216 Shared Hosting 1 Year
1883710;1546118320;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/uWfJy/?raw=true
1883711;1546118361;BingoBoingo;!!v F1BE545DEAE948DC6E1CE7FDEFBFBF23138DBB0FCF77D8302F4745038CFE4342
1883712;1546118366;deedbot;Invoiced mod6 0.0216 << Shared Hosting 1 Year
1883713;1546120132;mod6;Thanks BingoBoingo
1883714;1546120133;lobbesbot;mod6: Sent 31 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/7mJ94/?raw=true
1883715;1546122341;mod6;!!received-invoices
1883716;1546122346;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/go1Ra/?raw=true
1883717;1546122513;mod6;!!pay-invoice BingoBoingo 3
1883718;1546122517;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/AofAe/?raw=true
1883719;1546122635;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2857&cpage=1#comment-19766 << meanwhile in other lulz.
1883720;1546122703;mod6;!!v D24840E0FD37F2A19C72FB594152A2F93FF74C619D85FA7EFABD4F8350150699
1883721;1546122707;deedbot;mod6 paid BingoBoingo invoice 3
1883722;1546122722;BingoBoingo;ty mod6
1883723;1546122740;mod6;yw, thank ~you~
1883724;1546122840;mod6;asciilifeform: congrats btw!  I've been attempting very much not to read ahead or anything, I still need to work through the chapters.  I did however build all of the latest keccak vpatches in your vtree.  I did some timings on my old test blox (core2duo) if you're curious.
1883725;1546122872;asciilifeform;mod6: if you already took the time to benchmark, then plox to post, ty
1883726;1546122940;mod6;The one caviat about the timings is that I had to take out some of the inlines and pragmas to make it compile correctly.  my GNAT 2015 version seems to have some funkyness to it -- we've actually discussed this before.  Wanna just see a wotpaste?
1883727;1546122959;asciilifeform;waitasec how come yer not using standard tmsr gnat ?
1883728;1546122986;mod6;Haven't had a chance to build it yet.  I will do so, and a cuntoo when I get a chance.
1883729;1546122990;asciilifeform;but sure, paste. it'll be 2-3x-fold dog-slow vs proper inlinetronic tho.
1883730;1546123039;*;asciilifeform as of ch11 all benchmarks posted are on standard tmsr gnat.
1883731;1546123073;mod6;Ok, well, maybe this isn't very useful then.  But will throw it out here anyway.  Good to know
1883732;1546123128;asciilifeform;it's sorta like a 'run mile' time 'wearing gasmask'. but dunhurt, wainot, paste
1883733;1546123145;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/12/elections-in-congo-postponed-for-ebola-ebola-clinic-attacked-in-retailiation/ << Qntra -- Elections In Congo Postponed For Ebola, Ebola Clinic Attacked In Retailiation
1883734;1546123257;mod6;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/cs5Ws/?raw=true << Here it is.
1883735;1546123262;asciilifeform;ty mod6
1883736;1546123283;mod6;I'll make some blog posts (eventually) when i go through setting up cuntoo and the musltronic GNAT from ave1.
1883737;1546123304;mod6;Then can re-evaluate/re-test a bit if it's helpful.
1883738;1546123310;asciilifeform;pretty decent, even tho broken inlining on sad gnat
1883739;1546123325;mod6;*nod* I thought it was pretty speedy tbh.
1883740;1546123412;mod6;Anyway, Sir.  Cheers!
1883741;1546123494;asciilifeform;thus far i've found that ffa speed is almost exact function of cpu clock (for given bitness of cpu)
1883742;1546123504;asciilifeform;( unsurprising, but worth noting )
1883743;1546123529;asciilifeform;thing is small enuff such that if you have any cache at all, it's likely to fit in it
1883744;1546129749;feedbot;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2913 << Loper OS -- Symbolics MacIvory: PCB Photographs.
1883745;1546129825;asciilifeform;phf , amberglint, et al ^
1883746;1546137812;trinque;!!v 4C312643BEEDDC62A51CC08069EE8D0AD07857815010D8162C94F254ADAE0FD7
1883747;1546137818;deedbot;trinque paid BingoBoingo invoice 5
1883748;1546137838;trinque;BingoBoingo: at your convenience may I have a weechat in my shared hosting account?
1883749;1546140075;BingoBoingo;trinque: I have not set up a Weechat before. If the hosting lacks something weechat needs, I can consult with asciilifeform to remedy that so you can get weechat running. I but I am not familiar enough with weechat to do setups for customers myself at the present time.
1883750;1546140100;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: afaik it has no unusual deps.
1883751;1546140432;trinque;what's the opposition to just adding bins with whatever package manager you're using?
1883752;1546140460;trinque;http://pizarroisp.net/2018/03/23/pizarro-shared-hosting-a-screaming-deal-for-0003-btcmo/ << also says here you'll provide a weechat
1883753;1546140502;trinque;I can also just build it myself I suppose
1883754;1546140540;trinque;no tmux on uy1 either though eh?
1883755;1546140578;BingoBoingo;I'll put some time into reading up on weechat. The opposition is at the moment I just don't know much about it.
1883756;1546140614;BingoBoingo;<trinque> http://pizarroisp.net/2018/03/23/pizarro-shared-hosting-a-screaming-deal-for-0003-btcmo/ << also says here you'll provide a weechat << I'll add reading through the old posts to the to do list.
1883757;1546140651;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Is tmux a thing that makes sense on the shared hosting server?
1883758;1546141383;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: yes
1883759;1546141425;asciilifeform;similar item to 'screen'.
1883760;1546141941;trinque;ah, screen's already on there, works fine
1883761;1546142053;trinque;I've got a weechat built in my homedir too, so no rush or pressure on putting it systemwide.
1883762;1546142060;trinque;(as of now)
1883763;1546144360;trinque;aaand I'm all set on uy1
1883764;1546148645;mircea_popescu;that went fast.
1883765;1546190274;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in misc. lulz, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2857&cpage=1#comment-19768
1883766;1546190552;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/the-community-of-division-or-puteria-y-verduleria/ << Trilema -- The Community of Division. Or, Puteria y Verduleria.
1883767;1546190732;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what do you suppose keeps the jungle from reclaiming that clearing ? ( do folx with machetes show up erry week, or wat )
1883768;1546190751;mircea_popescu;alpine, there's no jungle there.
1883769;1546190755;asciilifeform;aa
1883770;1546190760;asciilifeform;ok logical.
1883771;1546190762;mircea_popescu;it's temperate wet forest, like in oregon
1883772;1546190962;asciilifeform;in other lulz, asciilifeform recently disasmed a raid card fw turd ( of the type found in dulap, s.mg, and several other boxes asciilifeform built ) ; turned out that it's ~little-endian ppc~, which i had nfi even existed; and on top of this, built in ~cpp~, which is also a 1st on my watch in re fwturds
1883773;1546191058;asciilifeform;thing has not only debugger, but 'kermit'-compat 'xmodem' shell, in there.
1883774;1546191085;asciilifeform;( presumably there's a pair of contacts that gets an uart, haven't found it yet tho, it's a low-priority thread )
1883775;1546191095;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/12/with-us-withdrawl-syria-beginning-to-move-towards-normality/ << Qntra -- With US Withdrawl, Syria Beginning To Move Towards Normality
1883776;1546191190;BingoBoingo;In other news, one of the fucking Pichis tried walking a database. This morning I was in the shower when the Porteria Electrica rang. The voice on the other end had a thick accent I couldn't understand, so I offered "un momento", put on clothes, and went to the door of the building...
1883777;1546191210;BingoBoingo;It was a god damned Pichi asking for una moneda para comer algo.
1883778;1546191224;BingoBoingo;He was sent off without una moneda, because what the fuck
1883779;1546191280;BingoBoingo;And how many other motherfuckers in the building got the call without chasing the pichi away
1883780;1546195409;mircea_popescu;lol, yet ~another~ war the us lost ?
1883781;1546195448;mircea_popescu;was there a more spurious empire in the history of africa ? i get it, niggers can't compete with humans. but even among the chimps, they're competing ~the wrong end~.
1883782;1546195511;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "firmware" is like the roma capitale of the l-creatives, it's where the best sads live
1883783;1546195801;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in the "believe!!! why don't you believe ?!?!" files, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/JzCb2/?raw=true
1883784;1546195873;mircea_popescu;tl;dr : "that" is a gramatically incorrect way to start a sentence, rando nobody "makes money" out of "her" [terrible quality] pornos and assorted hurr durr.
1883785;1546196534;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> lol, yet ~another~ war the us lost ? << Well this war is US+Israel, but it seems the only think that was keeping it a war was the US being there.
1883786;1546196566;BingoBoingo;Otherwise it is just Jews shooting at Russians because "the pale" or something
1883787;1546201304;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'best sads' yes, but cppism is unusual in roms (1st case out of asciilifeform's considerable run)
1883788;1546201316;asciilifeform;nvidia's, for instance, is 64-128kB of c/asm, typically
1883789;1546201390;asciilifeform;3ware/lsi (vendor) used an oddball japanese cpp compiler, also
1883790;1546201541;*;asciilifeform bbl,meat
1883791;1546202201;feedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/the-problems/ << Trilema -- The problems
1883792;1546203647;mircea_popescu;possibly they had nobody who could c
1883793;1546227774;Mocky;I think my employability is pretty close to epsilon. I may end up removing asbestos for 18 bucks an hour. This is going to be a setback.
1883794;1546227774;lobbesbot;Mocky: Sent 4 days, 6 hours, and 41 minutes ago: <hanbot> eulora bot feature request: ability to reject mining claims by type. for instance mining bn costs me moar than merely striking it with a tool; i've gotta sink materials into it, whereas the resulting bn isn't worth the cost of those materials to me atm. 'ignore bn' or somesuch would be really useful.
1883795;1546228560;mircea_popescu;Mocky if this may help you take heart, ~everyone's employability is ~epsilon in the us. "jobs" work as alt-welfare conduits, no genuine productivity is present or contemplated.
1883796;1546228643;Mocky;I added it to my list hanbot. technically all my time is free time now, but it tastes like shit
1883797;1546228710;Mocky;mircea_popescu, maybe it will in the morning. I need some sleep
1883798;1546228729;mircea_popescu;besides, it's new year's. give it a week or two neh ? time's now to get drunk.
1883799;1546228759;Mocky;I might as fucking well
1883800;1546228766;mircea_popescu;prosit.
1883801;1546229895;nicoleci;Mocky, unfortunately, i used to work hr - let me know if i can help with your resume, interviewing or anything else.
1883802;1546229895;lobbesbot;nicoleci: Sent 4 days, 7 hours, and 57 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> MP-WP hardening and enhancemenst, please acknowledge receipt http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/anvCs/?raw=true
1883803;1546239177;feedbot;http://bimbo.club/2018/12/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-january-february-and-march-1714-part-iv/ << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of January, February and March, 1714 - Part IV.
1883804;1546269832;Mocky;nicoleci, thx. I get good interest from the resume so I can't blame that. Just gotta keep with the crank winding.
1883805;1546272897;diana_coman;Mocky, I'd expect nothing really moves at this time of the year really; but anyway, for my curiosity: what gives then if "good interest" but no job?
1883806;1546273114;Mocky;the resume gets me interviews. if I wasn't getting interviews I'd worry more about the resume.
1883807;1546273595;diana_coman;ah, "good" in the sense of amount
1883808;1546275791;feedbot;http://bingology.net/2018/12/31/peso-watch-december-2018/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Peso Watch December 2018
1883809;1546276814;feedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/12/japan-ramps-up-military-spending-as-usg-turns-out-to-be-inadequate-provider-of-security/ << Qntra -- Japan Ramps Up Military Spending As USG Turns Out To Be Inadequate Provider Of Security
1883810;1546281367;mircea_popescu;impossible to fucking evaluate, this. "the resume is getting me interviews [with the sort of people it gets me interviews with ; while not getting me interviews with the sort of people it doesn't get me interviews with. what am i to do ?]".
1883811;1546281386;mircea_popescu;not even saying there IS something you could do, at that. what you don't know is what you don't know.
1883812;1546282241;billymg;post containing vpatch for mp-wp footnotes and text-selection http://billymg.com/2018/12/mp-wp-vpatch-add-footnotes-plugin-and-text-selection-javascript/
1883813;1546282255;billymg;review/feedback comments welcome and appreciated
1883814;1546282733;mircea_popescu;o hey, check him out.
1883815;1546283823;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in better living through technology : illo tempore i had bought a tin of (actually very delicious) instant mint cocoa. cuz we were doing the whole check out the wonder of colonial goodies, and we pretty much brought all the britt things (fine brand of local chocolateria).
1883816;1546283876;mircea_popescu;yet there it sat, because really, who the hell drinks instant cocoa. until a few months ago, i can't even recall when, we bought a popsicle kit. which, you know, take bimbos out to plastic joystore, what are you going to end up with, makeshift dildos and popsicle sets.
1883817;1546283924;mircea_popescu;at which point our story starts to flesh out : one day in recent memory i tried out this popsicle stick on apple juice, and holy hell it';s great. so now in an exploration mood, i tried out the cocoa in them, and OMFG, excellent icecream!
1883818;1546283971;mircea_popescu;BUT THEN!!! i had some raisins marinating in [the world's finest] rum overnight for hanbot's cozonac making ; and of course there were leftovers, and what can you do, they went into the batch of mint cocoa popsicles being brewed.
1883819;1546283983;mircea_popescu;which OMFG MINT CHOCOLATE RUM RAISIN!
1883820;1546285518;diana_coman;basically you're spoiling good rum over there!
1883821;1546285558;diana_coman;billymg, looks good; perhaps mirror the whole mp-wp tree somewhere as you seem to be working on mp-wp?
1883822;1546285590;mircea_popescu;no, this is a legitimate function of rum!
1883823;1546285781;diana_coman;legitimate(f(rum),household)!
1883824;1546292421;feedbot;http://pizarroisp.net/2018/12/31/pizarro-update-december-31st/ << PizarroISP -- Pizarro Update December 31st
1883825;1546297067;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-28#1883486 << just to clarify, lobbesbot atm only downloads the archives ~from archive.is~. (I.e. when archive.is croaks we will have the archive ~history~ but no means of archiving going forward)
1883826;1546297067;a111;Logged on 2018-12-28 01:51 mircea_popescu: for crying out loud, a virtual machine running firefox just to do what lobbesbot does atm in case archive.is croaks ?!
1883827;1546297071;lobbes;And while I will continue the above described archive process, right now I have too many irons in fire to work on making a proper archive.is substitute. (Imo, this'd be a perfect area for an hero to step in)
1883828;1546297125;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-31#1883793 << Mocky, if you feel like moving to the cardboard-cutout city of charlotte there's a glut of 'high paying' 'move these meaningless bits around for robo hitler' jobs . If you want I can give you a recruiter contact that worked for me
1883829;1546297125;a111;Logged on 2018-12-31 03:42 Mocky: I think my employability is pretty close to epsilon. I may end up removing asbestos for 18 bucks an hour. This is going to be a setback.