1846336;1535760006;mircea_popescu;trinque i think you have to do it ; reverse auction still not there.
1846337;1535760472;mod6;trinque: yeah, not sure how that'd work.  i'd like to see more price points.  but if we can't receive dollars bought, then I dunno.
1846338;1535760501;mod6;right now I'm working on buying some dollars and wires in place.  but I don't have a price point yet.
1846339;1535760516;mod6;as soon as I have one, I'll be sending out the invoices immediately.
1846340;1535760695;mod6;We could do some sort of open outcry auction in here.  Where Pizarro auctions off 1 BTC, and the winner send funds to specified destinations.
1846341;1535760755;mircea_popescu;mod6 that part is what does not work, lobbesbot  not yet capable of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-09#1833029
1846342;1535760755;a111;Logged on 2018-07-09 22:25 mircea_popescu: the correct solution is to distinguish selling and buying auctions. change the "A#285" lede into either "B#285" or "S#285" and then if it's a S have it work as it works now, but if it's a B have it work ~reverse~, so smaller bids overbid larger bids.
1846343;1535760761;mircea_popescu;instead ~he~ gotta auction the fiatola.
1846344;1535760782;mod6;right.
1846345;1535760802;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-31#1846157 << muchas gracias. I can confirm I can ssh in; www is back up
1846346;1535760802;a111;Logged on 2018-08-31 15:55 BingoBoingo:   lobbes: Looks from here like you are good to go
1846347;1535760805;lobbes;however I ended up purging the znc user and all traces from the thing. Coming live now from irssi from pizarro shared hosting (used danielpbarron's spiffy guide >> http://danielpbarron.com/2018/irssi-on-pizarro-shared-hosting/)
1846348;1535760828;lobbes;and now I can get ass back in year on auctionbot
1846349;1535760833;lobbes;*gear
1846350;1535760837;mod6;i'm just saying, doing it 'botless'.  like I say, "this auction is open for 72 hours, closes on X date at X time.  Selling 1 BTC for USD.  Winner of auction sends whatever wires seller specifies."
1846351;1535760927;mod6;people just bid by saying what their bid is in #trilema.
1846352;1535760934;mircea_popescu;ah
1846353;1535760974;mircea_popescu;you really got it in for maximizing administration etc, huh ?
1846354;1535761004;mod6;lol.  I'd rather not do it that way.  I'd love to use the bot, but sometimes gotta do things by hand when we don't have the tools.
1846355;1535761098;mod6;I guess, either that, or we just wait until lobbes is ready.
1846356;1535761100;mircea_popescu;yes, and that's fine, however a "by hand" approximation of bot function is nutty. doing flight "by hand" means flapping wings like birds, not trying to fart hot gasses like jet engine. sewing by hand means, with needle, not trying to do sewing machine. and dealing by hand dun mean "let's make noises like an auction bot by moving fingers on kbd", just talk to whoever set it up without the formalism.
1846357;1535761123;mircea_popescu;alternatively, he can just auction whatever chunk of fiatola he wants to dispense with.
1846358;1535761175;mod6;ah, i see, so for instance trinque could say, "selling 4000 USD for ECU", exactly like yourself with the last one
1846359;1535761211;mod6;that'd be fine as long as usd can be wired.
1846360;1535761264;mircea_popescu;right ?
1846361;1535761270;mod6;yup, totally.
1846362;1535761287;trinque;what was the problem y'all had with receiving?
1846363;1535761308;mircea_popescu;trinque twas with sending, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-23#1843936
1846364;1535761308;a111;Logged on 2018-08-23 21:45 mircea_popescu: mod6 i'm sorry, but ima have to refund you. whole exercise turned into a massive pile of idiocy. im closing an entire bank out of the loop over their idiotic misbehaviour ; we'll have to try this again later on.
1846365;1535761343;mircea_popescu;dollar to doughnuts, uppity female that's not being beaten enough at home ended up spuriously involved in the process.
1846366;1535761380;mircea_popescu;problem is, there's SO DAMNED MANY of them these days, structural measures gotta be taken.
1846367;1535761394;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/09/qntra-s-qntr-august-2018-report/ << Qntra - Qntra (S.QNTR) August 2018 Report
1846368;1535761398;mircea_popescu;we should not have permitted the whole house to be termited up, but then again, we did. in the sense dumbass dad did, anyway.
1846369;1535761498;trinque;ah got it. bank shenanigans never end.
1846370;1535761534;trinque;iirc BingoBoingo received my WF, if that's still acceptable
1846371;1535761536;mod6;aha skulduggery
1846372;1535761540;trinque;*WU rather
1846373;1535761591;mod6;we should ask him, I'm under the impression that doing stable wires to his bank actually shows "stability" and helps with his residency or whatever.
1846374;1535761599;mod6;the DC needs a wire direct tho.
1846375;1535761748;mircea_popescu;very similar to, "what was the fucking problerm with namecheap ?" " http://trilema.com/2014/namecheap-goes-off-the-deep-end-anyone-know-a-decent-domain-registrar/ aka, uppity" "and with fetlife ?!" " http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787189 aka THE FUCKINBG SAME!!" "and with everything else ?" "you guessed it... start beating the sheherd."
1846376;1535761748;a111;Logged on 2018-03-08 00:21 mircea_popescu: this entire exercise in idiocy has, practically speaking, resulted in me paying various hard working ticos a grand or so, to the people fucking in the ass the "security" paradigm of pantsuit.fetlife. IN LIEU of having paid that much, and rather more, to the fetlife itself.
1846377;1535761763;mod6;BingoBoingo: do you have a preference re wire or WU (see above)
1846378;1535761785;mircea_popescu;trinque it'd prolly be a good idea to get wires going as a "freedom of navigation" exercise.
1846379;1535761798;*;mircea_popescu is certainly working on that, this inept bs can not stand.
1846380;1535761914;mircea_popescu;typically female interests & preoccupations, "security" "redesign" etcetera NOT FUCKING SOCIALLY ACCEPTABLE.
1846381;1535762157;BingoBoingo;<mod6> BingoBoingo: do you have a preference re wire or WU (see above) << Either works
1846382;1535762332;mod6;mircea_popescu does have a point re 'freedom of navigation' tho.  but ya, if it doesn't matter to BingoBoingo, I'm game.
1846383;1535762422;mod6;!Qcalc 2500/7000
1846384;1535762422;lobbesbot;mod6: 0.357142857143
1846385;1535762498;mod6;BingoBoingo: good with that for the remainder of the Wildcat Bonus ^
1846386;1535763550;BingoBoingo;mod6: Looks good
1846387;1535763640;mod6;Ok great, thanks BingoBoingo
1846388;1535763716;mod6;!!pay BingoBoingo 0.35714285
1846389;1535763722;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/V3Lqv/?raw=true
1846390;1535764038;mod6;!!v 110744A1BF3E2324C5AC28B3108804B9B53138C82DDC4608C856B92A1FBF67F6
1846391;1535764041;deedbot;mod6 paid BingoBoingo 0.35714285
1846392;1535764047;mod6;!!ledger
1846393;1535764051;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/RAn1l/?raw=true
1846394;1535764088;BingoBoingo;ty
1846395;1535764151;mod6;yw!
1846396;1535764172;mod6;The BTC-Dev Mailing List is still down...
1846397;1535764220;mod6;Lords and Ladies of The Most Serene Republic, I have placed the signed STATE OF BITCOIN ADDRESS on my site, if you wish to read: http://www.mod6.net/2018/September/1/btcf_address_201808.txt
1846398;1535765488;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-01#1846365 << the truly astonishing twist, is that asciilifeform not once yet had problem with swift tx.
1846399;1535765488;a111;Logged on 2018-09-01 00:22 mircea_popescu: dollar to doughnuts, uppity female that's not being beaten enough at home ended up spuriously involved in the process.
1846400;1535765531;asciilifeform;( tho i expect that if i ever do, it will more than pay back for the lack of any to date, and take the form of cork-lined cellar )
1846401;1535767044;mircea_popescu;mod6 could it be maybe time to repatriate mailing list into mpwp format ? i mean, is there any advantage to sticking to email process ?
1846402;1535767248;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: link preservation
1846403;1535767264;mircea_popescu;can always declare arbitrary links for mpwp redirection.
1846404;1535767274;asciilifeform;theoretically yes
1846405;1535767290;asciilifeform;how would submit work in a mpwp ?
1846406;1535767356;asciilifeform;ye olde ml, took anyffing from l1, automagically, with jurov's clever script
1846407;1535767382;mircea_popescu;for one thing, mpwp admits post-by-email, which'd be 100% replication of that state of the art, w/o any clever scripts
1846408;1535767392;mircea_popescu;otherwise, can have comments, can have users made for anyone,
1846409;1535767394;mircea_popescu;it's flexible.
1846410;1535767416;asciilifeform;tests pgp detached sigs, attachments, all exists in mpwp already ?
1846411;1535767447;mircea_popescu;nah, sig test would have to be added.
1846412;1535767562;asciilifeform;i confess that i actually am fond of the ancient ml format. no stylesheets, no buttons, just 80col text.
1846413;1535767635;asciilifeform;( if posting via email worked, would be heaven.. )
1846414;1535767676;mircea_popescu;but it means keeping email in republican process. this is something you actually want ?
1846415;1535767688;asciilifeform;nah email dead
1846416;1535767696;asciilifeform;hence 'if only'
1846417;1535767766;asciilifeform;( recall, i was never able to use the email knob on jurov's box reliably at all, but instead use www intake hopper )
1846418;1535767829;mircea_popescu;well, is it worth our while to maintain two publishing mechanisms ?
1846419;1535767847;asciilifeform;depends on how much maintenance it takes, neh
1846420;1535767865;mircea_popescu;which is why i never mentioned b4.
1846421;1535767876;asciilifeform;if it worx for aeons without opening hood -- worth
1846422;1535767904;mircea_popescu;nobody really opens hoods of working machinery.
1846423;1535767925;asciilifeform;seems like jurov had sad isp, naught to do with mltron per se
1846424;1535767954;asciilifeform;( if i'm mistaken , jurov , plox to correct )
1846425;1535768012;mircea_popescu;how's ml verifier work, gpg shell callout ?
1846426;1535768039;asciilifeform;pretty sure nobody has any other gpg eater than callout to koch
1846427;1535768068;mircea_popescu;hanbot feel like implementing a sig verifier in php ? :D
1846428;1535768080;asciilifeform;( phuctor is only exception i know of , but not general purpose )
1846429;1535768088;mircea_popescu;does it python ?
1846430;1535768114;asciilifeform;jurov's ? no idea, let's ask him
1846431;1535768122;mircea_popescu;phuctor's.
1846432;1535768147;asciilifeform;aa it - yes, old rfc2440 eater in py
1846433;1535768172;asciilifeform;whole reason i ended up baking the www end in py
1846434;1535768218;mircea_popescu;apparently php also has prewritten something. http://php.net/manual/en/function.gnupg-verify.php
1846435;1535768244;asciilifeform;loox like callout to gpg
1846436;1535768254;mircea_popescu;well, "pecl" w/e that is
1846437;1535768302;asciilifeform;http://php.net/manual/en/function.gnupg-init.php << to gpg
1846438;1535768329;asciilifeform;unsurprisingly
1846439;1535768384;mircea_popescu;pecl = "php extensions", basically looks like some sort of fancy callout system. and yes, here to gpgme
1846440;1535768405;mircea_popescu;though honestly, none of that's needed to check a sig.
1846441;1535768463;asciilifeform;i dun know of a rcf2440 eater & rsatron in php, tho certainly could be made
1846442;1535768483;asciilifeform;( rather 'malbolge' exercise tho imho )
1846443;1535768512;mircea_popescu;why ?
1846444;1535768522;asciilifeform;cuz php, lol
1846445;1535768573;mircea_popescu;yeah, i'm not sure why i'd want automated sig verification in this context.
1846446;1535768671;asciilifeform;well, it dispenses with the pretense of 'www login state' which imho is a win.
1846447;1535768701;mircea_popescu;hm
1846448;1535768713;asciilifeform;i stole whole idea, when pushing jurov to do it, from mpex, lol
1846449;1535768725;hanbot;mircea_popescu i'd be happy to try, though i doubt i could deliver in the rightnao sorta timeframe lack of ml suggests.
1846450;1535768739;*;mircea_popescu is thinking about it, could have muchly simplified mpwp, whereby if i sign it it's an article, if you sign it it's a comment, you can even have a golden border
1846451;1535768749;mircea_popescu;if no one signs it it's an anon comment... goes to modqueue...
1846452;1535768750;asciilifeform;aha, that'd rock
1846453;1535768753;mircea_popescu;take email out ALTOGETHER.
1846454;1535768758;asciilifeform;i tried to write one of these
1846455;1535768771;mircea_popescu;the problem is though... things like pics. wtf i'd do about those ?
1846456;1535768781;asciilifeform;uuencod!111
1846457;1535768789;mircea_popescu;and it guesses format ?
1846458;1535768801;asciilifeform;png or gohome..
1846459;1535768812;mircea_popescu;i use jpg all the time, for excellent reasons.
1846460;1535768823;mircea_popescu;trilema would have to waste >10GB of disk if i switched to png
1846461;1535768824;asciilifeform;then jpg or gohome
1846462;1535768834;asciilifeform;but pick 1 and live with it, why not
1846463;1535768842;mircea_popescu;yes but i use png SOMETIMES (neat coplors, like screen captures, jpg fucks up)
1846464;1535768848;asciilifeform;hm
1846465;1535768858;mircea_popescu;it is an open problem for me ;/
1846466;1535768860;asciilifeform;they have header, so why is this even megaproblem
1846467;1535768876;mircea_popescu;im not sure it's megaproblem yet.
1846468;1535768877;asciilifeform;parse header and pass to correct eater.
1846469;1535768892;mircea_popescu;i'm also not sure if i want to make you use signer every time you leave a ocmment.
1846470;1535768901;asciilifeform;this is where i left it
1846471;1535768904;mircea_popescu;the "secret string" of email seems sufficient./
1846472;1535768928;asciilifeform;i like the idea of eternal 0effort spam genocide tho.
1846473;1535768941;mircea_popescu;mpwp dun have much problem with spam anyways.
1846474;1535768948;mircea_popescu;the "no web login" was interesting, but hm.
1846475;1535768972;asciilifeform;it only has no prob because current crop of spammers dumb as rock.
1846476;1535768985;mircea_popescu;i doubt it.
1846477;1535769023;asciilifeform;large pool of bots could still fill mod queue with megatonne of liquishit.
1846478;1535769056;mircea_popescu;nope. experimentally verified, over decade+ of functioning, during which more "large pool of bots" than anyone's lived springs.
1846479;1535769078;asciilifeform;having not yet read mpwp, i cannot say further
1846480;1535769129;mircea_popescu;hanbot how many items did you have to call spam/ham since running it ?
1846481;1535769164;mircea_popescu;looks like i clicked "spam" 11 times this month.
1846482;1535769178;hanbot;~500. ~2 yrs.
1846483;1535769367;mircea_popescu;meanwhile current count is 126582 ; last month ended at 125355. so it accepted 154, auto-tagged 62, asked about 11 and rejected...
1846484;1535769404;mircea_popescu;62022
1846485;1535769454;mircea_popescu;well... at LEAST 62k, there's some classes of rejects i can't count.
1846486;1535769504;mircea_popescu;ah, figures further mucked up by a manually deleted mocky comment, i recall.
1846487;1535769508;mircea_popescu;nothing's ever exact ;/
1846488;1535769952;mod6;<+asciilifeform> i confess that i actually am fond of the ancient ml format. no stylesheets, no buttons, just 80col text. << i've grown pretty fond of it too.
1846489;1535769972;mod6;we'll have to see what jurov says, but yeah, I think it's an isp related issue.
1846490;1535770068;mod6;mircea_popescu's idea of a very stripped down wpmp might be pretty interesting with "signed aritcle" or "signed comment".
1846491;1535770344;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/09/saudis-advertise-plan-to-physically-isolate-qatar-with-canal-and-nuclear-waste/ << Qntra - Saudis Advertise Plan To Physically Isolate Qatar With Canal And Nuclear Waste
1846492;1535771407;mircea_popescu;anyone feel like going to qatar btw ?
1846493;1535771713;asciilifeform;i wouldn't refuse iran
1846494;1535771732;asciilifeform;( genuine, imho, if dimwitted, enemy of the reich )
1846495;1535772826;mircea_popescu;sooo... go ?
1846496;1535785640;jurov;asciilifeform: it was not automagical clever script, but that kako made available l1/l2 as .txt list. deedbot afaik does not have this, hence ml wot is no longer updated
1846497;1535785761;jurov;And yes, it's reverse cache problem. The move is in progress but this week i was mostly afk, will continue on it first thing today.
1846498;1535804252;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-01#1846495 << sadly i checked my postbox, still no invitation, lol
1846499;1535804252;a111;Logged on 2018-09-01 03:33 mircea_popescu: sooo... go ?
1846500;1535804385;asciilifeform;jurov: makes sense, ty
1846501;1535806401;mats;rip terry davis
1846502;1535807605;jurov;Till I set up everything, static mirror of btc-dev mailing list will be here: http://161.0.121.248/ml/btc-dev/
1846503;1535807631;jurov;(still copying atm)
1846504;1535814199;asciilifeform;mats: nooooo... link??
1846505;1535814648;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-01#1846496 << it's json neh ?
1846506;1535814648;a111;Logged on 2018-09-01 07:07 jurov: asciilifeform: it was not automagical clever script, but that kako made available l1/l2 as .txt list. deedbot afaik does not have this, hence ml wot is no longer updated
1846507;1535814648;lobbesbot;mircea_popescu: Sent 1 hour and 51 minutes ago: <Mocky> yes, I'd take one of your hoes no question
1846508;1535814653;mircea_popescu;!!ratings deedbot
1846509;1535814655;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/owXhN/?raw=true
1846510;1535814724;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-01#1846498 << what... invitation ?
1846511;1535814724;a111;Logged on 2018-09-01 12:17 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-01#1846495 << sadly i checked my postbox, still no invitation, lol
1846512;1535814742;mircea_popescu;is this how you date, also, check your fetlife profile now and again see if any subbies sent... INVITATIONS !?
1846513;1535814767;mircea_popescu;iran is not doing, alf is doing.
1846514;1535815106;asciilifeform;[ insert 'a: i have no megabux, can only live where there is guaranteed work' m:'fu, have better parents, eat nagant' thread here ]
1846515;1535815187;mircea_popescu;"i can't go talk to girls until i get a good job and have a house and another girl whose place they'd take and children and i am dead and buried already"
1846516;1535815223;*;BingoBoingo suspects Iran would be happy to have a alf in their cyberwank saltmines on a part time contract
1846517;1535815261;*;mircea_popescu suspects nobody can ever find out whether yes or no till they WALK UP TO HER AND SAY HI
1846518;1535815264;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: they dun seem to have a pubkey, so difficult to ask'em
1846519;1535815283;mircea_popescu;fancy that wonder, you also didn't!
1846520;1535815296;mircea_popescu;turned out very fucking easy to ask.
1846521;1535815314;mircea_popescu;and yes, if you're too lazy to go yourself it's acceptable to send girl. and yes get better girls. and so on.
1846522;1535815347;asciilifeform;pretty sure if you have usa passport, you gotta go by uboat
1846523;1535815370;BingoBoingo;Miraflores 1467, 11500 Montevideo << Or take the Omníbus out to Carrasco
1846524;1535815378;mircea_popescu;isn't it unfortunate, how circumstances always conspire against you.
1846525;1535815441;asciilifeform;dun fughet to cackle, i hear throne rusts and caviar spoils if you neglect to , lol
1846526;1535815482;mircea_popescu;i cackle inaudibly.
1846527;1535815489;asciilifeform;nifty
1846528;1535815547;BingoBoingo;And looks like Iran actually has fairly respectable wall around their compound
1846529;1535815611;mircea_popescu;anyway ; orig q was re qatar.
1846530;1535815637;mircea_popescu;go there, start corp with a local or two, get some "regional" contracts.
1846531;1535815638;asciilifeform;so what's the nifty thing in qatar, i think i missed
1846532;1535815650;mircea_popescu;all the usg cumrags are angry at them
1846533;1535815656;asciilifeform;a
1846534;1535815659;mircea_popescu;this is the sure sign of the man of valor, that all the dunces...
1846535;1535815666;asciilifeform;could be temporary? or no
1846536;1535815681;mircea_popescu;i thought so when it first started, but it's been ongoing for years now
1846537;1535815692;mircea_popescu;like it or not, man has some responsibilities to rhodesia.
1846538;1535815695;asciilifeform;how did it come about even
1846539;1535815702;mircea_popescu;twas in qntra! "spat"
1846540;1535815715;*;asciilifeform goes to reread
1846541;1535815725;mircea_popescu;recall, usg had its millenial moron installed on throne of saud
1846542;1535815742;mircea_popescu;dood did the hussein bahamas thing, got fucked in the ass came back home declared victory.
1846543;1535815757;asciilifeform;aaah yes
1846544;1535815766;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile Qatar likes their old friends Turkey et al
1846545;1535815773;mircea_popescu;right.
1846546;1535815796;mircea_popescu;it's basically advanced outpost for gyaurs who can't turkey or iran.
1846547;1535815806;BingoBoingo;See no reason to change friends because of fashion, and this is affront to pantsuit
1846548;1535815824;mircea_popescu;"if man builds gate, it is impolite to come in through window"
1846549;1535816041;mircea_popescu;i suppose "gawr" bettrer english notation of orig tc. gâvur.
1846550;1535816209;mircea_popescu;speaking of being politically correct, hey Mocky ! you ever visited the near/middle east ? do you allah ?
1846551;1535816221;mats;asciilifeform: sorry, no reliable sources yet
1846552;1535816229;mats;spoke too soon
1846553;1535816498;mats;his facebook is a memorial page now, whatever thats worth
1846554;1535816514;Mocky;came a breath away from visiting Kuwait in the drivers seat of a tank, but never actually arrived. No other even near misses.
1846555;1535816561;mircea_popescu;can you arabic ?
1846556;1535816631;Mocky;i don't allah. i pantomimed allahing in mosques in my youff when visiting family. no arabic either
1846557;1535816672;mircea_popescu;how does going to qatar and trying to start a computer consultancy business in lieu of looking for job sound ?
1846558;1535816709;Mocky;that sounds scary as fuck, lol
1846559;1535816712;mircea_popescu;lol.\
1846560;1535816730;mircea_popescu;well ?
1846561;1535816765;Mocky;well what, that's how it sounds
1846562;1535816828;mircea_popescu;if you do get anywhere with it, i'll squeeze this beedog here to go join you, so you have a sort of "mega engineer achievement unlocked" built in. and after that i guess i'll even chip in so you buy a prepubescent wife in the countryside.
1846563;1535816835;mircea_popescu;but until then, we can be partners, i'll pay for the fare.
1846564;1535816914;Mocky;lets see, never been, don't speak lang, never started a business, in what way could i actually be a good partner other than willing to go?
1846565;1535816928;Mocky;not fishing for compliments, just don't see how beneficial
1846566;1535816947;mircea_popescu;you look like one of them.
1846567;1535816966;Mocky;ok, well yes
1846568;1535816969;mircea_popescu;all these white boys, they stand out like sore thumbs.
1846569;1535816997;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2013-12-30#433194
1846570;1535816997;a111;Logged on 2013-12-30 07:37 mircea_popescu: so they send another spy, and... well... same deal. and then more and more. eventually they ask a defector, and the guy smikrs and says "perhaps you might try not sending black people ?"
1846571;1535817099;mircea_popescu;you understand, new businesses fail at an amazing rate, perhaps only comparable to new pregnancies (btw, any of the "right of life" dorks ever stopped to consider 1% of so of all sperm+egg combos ever make it the first WEEK ?). the point's not success, at the onset, the point's a) no obvious failure causes and b) a determination to give it a fair run.
1846572;1535817141;mircea_popescu;moreover, success/failure yes/no is not so much the point. pizarro bought the failed remains of the previous attempt, and so on.
1846573;1535817146;Mocky;at least it's not china
1846574;1535817158;mircea_popescu;aren't you lucky you don't look martian ?
1846575;1535817165;Mocky;lol!
1846576;1535817166;mircea_popescu;"but mp... how would i breathe there ?" "i dunno. hold it ?"
1846577;1535817217;Mocky;fuck, i can't come up with a good reason not to
1846578;1535817231;mircea_popescu;in fact, thinking about it, me and you might be the ONLY TO people present who've even ever been inside a mosque
1846579;1535817239;mircea_popescu;only two* even
1846580;1535817378;Mocky;on a side note, evidently my ex is a log reader now, got the question last month "are you in Uruguay?" now expecting to get question "you in qatar?"
1846581;1535817443;mircea_popescu;haha
1846582;1535817447;mircea_popescu;why doesn't she say hi ?
1846583;1535817478;mircea_popescu;Mocky what's her name ?
1846584;1535817563;*;Mocky rates chances of her figuring out irc as low
1846585;1535817576;mircea_popescu;maybe the reason you two split up is you not giving her any credit.
1846586;1535817730;Mocky;na, that wasn't one of my reasons
1846587;1535817736;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-01#1846578 << nah, asciilifeform also been
1846588;1535817736;a111;Logged on 2018-09-01 15:53 mircea_popescu: in fact, thinking about it, me and you might be the ONLY TO people present who've even ever been inside a mosque
1846589;1535817862;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i'm talking cairo sandalwood mosq, built before they invented america. not bs ersatz-by-Eszterhas new world bs.
1846590;1535818209;*;asciilifeform not been to Troo oldworld type, no
1846591;1535818471;mircea_popescu;ha!
1846592;1535818507;mircea_popescu;but since we're doing asides, hey Mocky what do you say, is bitcoin mmorpg even a thing ? hm ? HM ?
1846593;1535818530;Mocky;it is indeed a thing
1846594;1535818833;Mocky;on serious consideration, my only obstacle is that I don't have with what to make my ongoing alimony payments. I'm not going to break that promise
1846595;1535818854;mircea_popescu;how much do you pay ?
1846596;1535818870;Mocky;5 benjies per week
1846597;1535819012;mircea_popescu;hm.
1846598;1535819096;mircea_popescu;take her with you ? or is she stuck with small children ?
1846599;1535819208;Mocky;not happening
1846600;1535819279;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1846601;1535819324;mircea_popescu;Mocky 40-60!
1846602;1535819399;Mocky;what does that mean?
1846603;1535819625;Mocky;I think that i can pull together enough to get me thru January
1846604;1535820032;mircea_popescu;Mocky im not going to hold against you that you gotta pay alimony, you're not going to hold against me that i'm getting a larger share of our partnership! you get 40% of the thing (but work as if you had gotten 50%!!!) and alimony, i get 60% and there you go.
1846605;1535820200;Mocky;holy shit, an hour ago i was eating waffles and now i'm going to qatar
1846606;1535820462;BingoBoingo;Mocky: These turn arounds can happen rather quickly
1846607;1535820502;asciilifeform;insh'allah
1846608;1535821295;mircea_popescu;Mocky so what do you figure, leaving oct 7th ?
1846609;1535821498;mircea_popescu;to quote 8.75% or so of all fetlife profiles of girls under 25, "do women seriously jump in a plane to come hang out with you???"
1846610;1535821571;Mocky;oct 7 works
1846611;1535821605;mircea_popescu;i figure... you get what 2 ? 3 ? months there until the first save point, see if it can be done or can't be done ?
1846612;1535821711;diana_coman;congrats on the new adventure Mocky !
1846613;1535821723;Mocky;thx!
1846614;1535821794;Mocky;2-3 months sounds reasonable
1846615;1535821827;mircea_popescu;well yes but which lol
1846616;1535821834;mircea_popescu;2 + 1 extensible ?
1846617;1535821937;diana_coman;now I wonder if Mocky will keep eating waffles in Qatar
1846618;1535821946;mircea_popescu;lol.
1846619;1535821952;mircea_popescu;https://www.etltravel.com/al-rifai-cairo/al-rifai-mosque-cairo/ << earlier item, btw. quite worth a visit.
1846620;1535821961;Mocky;2 months
1846621;1535821978;mircea_popescu;though also al-hazar, and there's others. like 1k others or something.
1846622;1535822028;mircea_popescu;Mocky do you have any fambly however remote in or about that could be re-connected ? a local will prove invaluable, and somehow i suspect the traditional "go to local uni, pick up young filly" isn't comfortable either for you or for the place.
1846623;1535822130;Mocky;I don't know of any but I will find out for sure
1846624;1535822197;mircea_popescu;alright. well, that'll be the first order of business, scout the place, register company, avoid the usual "we got ourselves a sucker" traps.
1846625;1535822211;Mocky;diana_coman, no matter where you put "if Mocky will keep eating waffles" it gets inlined, since it always evaluates to true
1846626;1535822216;mircea_popescu;if tomorrow you still want to do it, ima send you some dough you can buy ticket and things.
1846627;1535822219;mircea_popescu;i'll expect reports!
1846628;1535822232;Mocky;ok
1846629;1535822308;mircea_popescu;if anyone wants to buy in the 10% btw, i'll consider a minority partner. (note however that you will be assessed whatever we end up spending. which won't be a fortune, at least by the looks of it so far, but also not http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-31#1846193  )
1846630;1535822308;a111;Logged on 2018-08-31 16:23 trinque: than over w/e beer money on the shared hosting
1846631;1535825063;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what exactly the partnership will do ? ( and... 10% of what )
1846632;1535825140;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i expect qatar is deeply starved of world class talent. what specifically will it do i don't know, but i expect something along the lines historical experience. what did the germans do in russia, the spanish in tenochtitlan, the british in india and so on.
1846633;1535825194;mircea_popescu;audit the govt's computers, get the usg piezos out ? make websites that don't take FIVE SECONDS TO LOAD, like EVERY SINGLE "sales" website of EACH brick-and-mortar sex shop in chicago ?
1846634;1535825210;mircea_popescu;sell lemonade, for all i care, as long as it turns a profit and he feels like doing it.
1846635;1535825221;asciilifeform;aah general-purpose .
1846636;1535825256;mircea_popescu;the direct cause is literally that i perceive i owe rhodesia something.
1846637;1535825275;asciilifeform;i think i get it
1846638;1535825341;mircea_popescu;Mocky ever had salep btw ?
1846639;1535825360;Mocky;nope
1846640;1535825381;mircea_popescu;ah, it's delicious!
1846641;1535825401;mircea_popescu;~ottoman lemonade, i'd guess. certainly the driver of the anglo habit.
1846642;1535825419;asciilifeform;unrelatedly, lulzy phuctor thread in phuctor castle today, http://logs.bvulpes.com/asciilifeform?d=2018-9-1#422638
1846643;1535825420;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-09-01 17:04 kristof: Can anyone tell me about how many broken keys phuctor has found?
1846644;1535825434;mircea_popescu;dude can't read stats page or ?
1846645;1535825469;asciilifeform;i have nfi. evidently
1846646;1535825501;asciilifeform;linked largely for http://logs.bvulpes.com/asciilifeform?d=2018-9-1#422652 lulgem
1846647;1535825501;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-09-01 17:24 kristof: am I wrong to think that, you know, a responsible journalistic community would pick up on this, and the security community would henceforth start a widespread auditing effort of existing toolchains, right?
1846648;1535825540;mircea_popescu;kristof http://trilema.com/2015/on-how-the-factored-4096-rsa-keys-story-was-handled-and-what-it-means-to-you/
1846649;1535825587;asciilifeform;!!up kristof
1846650;1535825587;deedbot;kristof voiced for 30 minutes.
1846651;1535825616;mircea_popescu;(for the naive log reader wondering "what's with all the rhodesia references", http://trilema.com/2013/a-very-unfair-perspective/#selection-193.0-193.108 )
1846652;1535825650;asciilifeform;i can entirely see the 'pocket of sanity besieged by pantsuit t-cells' angle
1846653;1535825673;asciilifeform;serbia moar recent example than rhodesia
1846654;1535825675;kristof;30 minutes, only? They give me a whole hour at the brothels.
1846655;1535825679;asciilifeform;lol
1846656;1535825691;asciilifeform;kristof: if you register with deedbot, can self-voice, i'll rate you
1846657;1535825692;asciilifeform;!!help
1846658;1535825693;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html
1846659;1535825708;kristof;Some other time
1846660;1535825720;kristof;I'm busy at the moment
1846661;1535825733;mircea_popescu;!!down kristof
1846662;1535825744;asciilifeform;somehow they all do this.
1846663;1535825756;mircea_popescu;cuz their stupid mothers told them they're important and matter.
1846664;1535825792;asciilifeform;illusion of fleadom (tm)
1846665;1535825862;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and as irony has it, i supported serbia, also (though entirely for "selfish" reasons, at least if you asked 90s me)
1846666;1535825888;asciilifeform;selfish how ? great satan bombed mircea_popescu's castle there ?
1846667;1535825910;mircea_popescu;ah, gasoline was worth serious dough.
1846668;1535825917;asciilifeform;a
1846669;1535826052;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-01#1846619 << impressive
1846670;1535826052;a111;Logged on 2018-09-01 17:12 mircea_popescu: https://www.etltravel.com/al-rifai-cairo/al-rifai-mosque-cairo/ << earlier item, btw. quite worth a visit.
1846671;1535826067;asciilifeform;complete with that little platform for sultan
1846672;1535826482;mircea_popescu;in unrelated news : minigame was going to work both an infinite-items and an infinite-lands update ; they kinda need the new client protocol (mostly to do on-demand content delivery) ; which is waiting for... cuntoo!
1846673;1535826485;mircea_popescu;how you doin' trinque ?
1846674;1535826520;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how's the beta-cuntoo box working out , btw ?
1846675;1535826542;asciilifeform;( afaik the only missing piece in the beta, is the cuntooistic 'portage' )
1846676;1535826581;diana_coman;asciilifeform, so far it worked good!
1846677;1535826587;asciilifeform;neato
1846678;1535826727;asciilifeform;iirc BingoBoingo has taken delivery of the samsung disks, so the box can be expanded to full size when mircea_popescu & diana_coman give the signal
1846679;1535826742;asciilifeform;( possibly waiting for release-cuntoo ? )
1846680;1535826762;mircea_popescu;well yes, i thought it wise.
1846681;1535826883;BingoBoingo;Indeed drives are waiting in the bilge for instructions
1846682;1535827585;asciilifeform;!!rate kristof 1 new blood, tentatively
1846683;1535827588;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wOJdO/?raw=true
1846684;1535827611;asciilifeform;!!v 3DD643733D3945047B5CE34B01A13A03DD711908181BBAD8168F49701CB5CE09
1846685;1535827612;deedbot;asciilifeform rated kristof 1 << new blood, tentatively
1846686;1535827696;kristof;Success.
1846687;1535827700;asciilifeform;wilkommen, kristof
1846688;1535827707;asciilifeform;kristof: tell us a bit about yourself ?
1846689;1535827714;kristof;grazie
1846690;1535827745;kristof;I'm not worth knowing. Just an inquisitive dilettante.
1846691;1535827760;kristof;Actually, as I mentioned before, I've been a long time reader of your polemics.
1846692;1535827772;asciilifeform;kristof: you will prolly want to read the logs, http://btcbase.org/log/ , chances are you will find something of interest.
1846693;1535827783;kristof;I like logs, I might browse them.
1846694;1535827793;asciilifeform;kristof: most n00bs read logs for a while before they find that they have something to say.
1846695;1535827837;kristof;I don't intend to be chatty, but I might in the future. Hopefully that doesn't sound like squatting to you.
1846696;1535827839;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: seems like fella was a longtime lurker at my www.
1846697;1535827935;kristof;The only reason I was in #asciilifeform today was that I finally read all the phuctor phun in its entirety (yes, I was being a bonehad and didn't read the stats, sorry MP), thought "wait, that happened?" and dropped by.
1846698;1535827964;asciilifeform;kristof: you will find a large cache of 'wait, that happened' material in the #t logs.
1846699;1535827971;kristof;Delightful.
1846700;1535827993;asciilifeform;kristof: if your main news intake was yc or some other heathen pit, it will be quite new to you.
1846701;1535828052;kristof;Oh, actually, while I have your attention, I thought I would mention that I did check out Urbit twice; the first was a few years ago back when they were still "ship", the second was maybe a year ago and that time I actually chatted a bit with those folks
1846702;1535828065;asciilifeform;!#s urbit
1846703;1535828065;a111;280 results for "urbit", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=urbit
1846704;1535828074;asciilifeform;^ quite detailed discussion.
1846705;1535828088;kristof;I won't even bother because I have no faith in those people at all.
1846706;1535828088;mircea_popescu;where's your article about when you sold your starship or what was it ?
1846707;1535828103;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1390
1846708;1535828145;mircea_popescu;thjere we go.
1846709;1535828159;asciilifeform;or, for the dedicated entomologist, full cycle : http://www.loper-os.org/?p=103 -> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=130 -> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1309 -> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1352 -> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1361 -> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1390 .
1846710;1535828165;kristof;The idea of a federated system of secure, persistent identity (where people are friendly until proven otherwise) is such a fantastic idea and they waste all of their time on a half baked walled garden.
1846711;1535828187;mircea_popescu;kristof welcome to... 2014. http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/
1846712;1535828193;kristof;Gulp
1846713;1535828270;mircea_popescu;and yes, it developed. today you could've witnessed a guy going to qatar of all places, on the basis of exactly that system of secure & persistent pseudonimity.
1846714;1535828428;kristof;Neat. I'm reading your "Most Serene Republic" quasi-manifesto now.
1846715;1535828448;mircea_popescu;there's plenty to read, you won't soon run out.
1846716;1535828587;asciilifeform;re old posts, my http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1352&cpage=1#comment-8427 prediction seems to have lived out.
1846717;1535828597;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in asciilifeform files : trump suspended joint exercises with south korea last month
1846718;1535828611;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i saw, was announced to great pantsuit mooing
1846719;1535828629;mircea_popescu;ah. i guess im slow.
1846720;1535828689;mircea_popescu;anywya, the trump-kim pics are pretty epic.
1846721;1535828707;mircea_popescu;us presidents make astonishing gimp bitches, don't they!
1846722;1535836797;asciilifeform;in other noose, i have what appears to be a cured c101pa.
1846723;1535836817;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu phf ^ et al
1846724;1535836877;BingoBoingo;Oh my!
1846725;1535836912;mircea_popescu;o hey!
1846726;1535836915;mircea_popescu;what did it ?
1846727;1535836921;asciilifeform;vendor backdoor in fw 3.9
1846728;1535836933;asciilifeform;it still needs some massage, for cure to persist across powercycle
1846729;1535836937;asciilifeform;and i'ma need a payload...
1846730;1535836941;mircea_popescu;cuntoo ? :D
1846731;1535836948;mod6;cool asciilifeform
1846732;1535836954;asciilifeform;i mean, replacement payload for the fritz
1846733;1535836961;*;mircea_popescu is looking forward to buying some of these lappies then!
1846734;1535836962;asciilifeform;to properly perma-neuter
1846735;1535836977;asciilifeform;but theoretically i have 'testlab mode' going
1846736;1535836988;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform conceivably just use key of buyer ?
1846737;1535836996;asciilifeform;conceivably
1846738;1535837016;mircea_popescu;if "just wipe it" dun werk
1846739;1535837022;asciilifeform;i gotta actually see that it writes 'mis-signed' fw, next
1846740;1535837184;mircea_popescu;what a day.
1846741;1535837351;*;asciilifeform bbl
1846742;1535841807;BingoBoingo;And there's still no confirmation on whether Terry Davis lives or dies
1846743;1535846034;lobbes;question for the V experts out there: I was test pressing a vpatch genesis I created and ran into an odd barf ('Pressed file hash did not match expected!') >> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/A5d1u/?raw=true
1846744;1535846038;lobbes;odd thing is, everything seems to have pressed fine. And when I manually run sha512sum on the problem file the hash matches what V was expecting >> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/SnHoK/?raw=true
1846745;1535846045;lobbes;Is there something I'm missing? I pressed using mod6's V and created the vpatch using the "classic" vdiff described in http://cascadianhacker.com/07_v-tronics-101-a-gentle-introduction-to-the-most-serene-republic-of-bitcoins-cryptographically-backed-version-control-system
1846746;1535846423;asciilifeform;1969-12-31 19:00:00.000000000 -0500 << wat
1846747;1535846431;asciilifeform;loox like the patch was from a broken vdiff.sh ??
1846748;1535846460;asciilifeform;lobbes: can you paste the complete input plox ?
1846749;1535846464;asciilifeform;( patch & all )
1846750;1535847994;lobbes;asciilifeform: here's my current WIP vpatch (the one that was used to produce egogg >> http://www.lobbesblog.com/src/logbot_command_router_python/v/patches/logbot_command_router_python_genesis.vpatch
1846751;1535848016;lobbes;and the vdiff.sh I used >> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/3hf8i/?raw=true
1846752;1535848033;asciilifeform;aaaaaa
1846753;1535848040;asciilifeform;lobbes: throw out yer vdiff.sh !!!!
1846754;1535848043;asciilifeform;it shits timestamps
1846755;1535848046;asciilifeform;look at yer patch
1846756;1535848099;lobbes;asciilifeform: ahhh whoops
1846757;1535848103;asciilifeform;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/4YpGP/?raw=true << my current one
1846758;1535848154;asciilifeform;or use phf's beta vdiff , iirc it worx correctly
1846759;1535848299;lobbes;awesome. ty!
1846760;1535851587;asciilifeform;bahahaha i have spi rom read/write on c101pa.
1846761;1535851612;asciilifeform;i.e. enuff for 'unbrickable' encuntooation.
1846762;1535851624;BingoBoingo;Congrats, I am wrestling with humble wp migrations
1846763;1535851663;asciilifeform;nao i need a payload (i.e. substitute for that 8MB turd the thing comes with.) lessee what phf meanwhile came up with.
1846764;1535851691;BingoBoingo;Forth interpreter?
1846765;1535851718;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: thing needs a working port of uboot , that actually inits the iron
1846766;1535851725;BingoBoingo;ah
1846767;1535851806;asciilifeform;google's published flashrom util dunwork, i have one patched by hand, that worx via my http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2415 snake . will eventually publish the whole shebang, once i have working payload.
1846768;1535851863;asciilifeform;what all of this means, is that i can try payloads for the main fw, without needing to buy a train car full of mobos
1846769;1535851945;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/current_c101pa_main.bin << current contents of the W25Q64DW rom.
1846770;1535852503;*;asciilifeform bbl
1846771;1535853070;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dunno that i'd publish that much of the thing. what's that buy, usual amstan tards doing the republic-with-serials-filed-off innovation ?
1846772;1535853079;mircea_popescu;let s.nsa sell the laptops and that'll be good enough.
1846773;1535853110;mircea_popescu;let them have to spend some of the fiatola chinese give them to even evaluate the claim that it works. no free food for criminals.
1846774;1535853177;mircea_popescu;cocksuckers somehow managed to conjure up imaginary millions for donations to try and drown out http://trilema.com/2014/the-public-burning-of-bob-beck/ ; i don't recall the mns in donations post phuctor, for instance.
1846775;1535853202;mircea_popescu;time to learn that there's a time to grease, if one aims to avoid anal rape lubed in own blood.
1846776;1535853472;BingoBoingo;At least I dun have to worry about them running down here. The price of vasoline in Uruguay is its own rape.
1846777;1535853480;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not sure if i get it -- what, google will sell cuntoo lappy ?!
1846778;1535853498;mircea_popescu;not exactly.
1846779;1535853507;asciilifeform;for my education, plox to elaborate then?
1846780;1535853527;mircea_popescu;i dunno dood, they'll sell free ubuntu lappy.
1846781;1535853543;mircea_popescu;made by #femen #codes
1846782;1535853543;asciilifeform;sorta what they do currently, neh
1846783;1535853546;mircea_popescu;neh.
1846784;1535853559;asciilifeform;( right nao, what's in there is a plagiarized gentoo )
1846785;1535853674;asciilifeform;i think i get the idea tho
1846786;1535853690;asciilifeform;the 'libreboot' derps would prolly crawl over it like flies on shit.
1846787;1535853792;mircea_popescu;quite. and we'll have another nigglet that invented the clock. except it'd be isis thersephina-abdul or some retarded dumb shit like that.
1846788;1535853801;asciilifeform;lol!!
1846789;1535853804;*;asciilifeform can picture
1846790;1535853859;mircea_popescu;well ? how EXACTLY did the entire "torzilla development community" spring up ? what the fuck is a lindsey kuper ?
1846791;1535853878;asciilifeform;i actually have nfi wtf is a lindseykuper
1846792;1535853883;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/and-now-for-part-2-of-our-smash-hit-hey-stupid-women-we-need-to-talk-smart-women-don%E2%80%99t-want-to-be-with-you-anymore/ < that.
1846793;1535853892;asciilifeform;aa
1846794;1535853975;mircea_popescu;as i was saying : pantsuit gotta learn that if it doesn't bend over and squirt ~OODLES~ of money when it has the chance, it'll be bent over and fucked with farming implements later on.
1846795;1535854007;mircea_popescu;it's not a matter of "oh, we handled phuctor story" ; it's a matter of "failed to present republic with fifty virgin transsexuals and fifty million in cash post haste ? awwww..."
1846796;1535854040;mircea_popescu;the time to kowtow before the golden boy is when the golden boy is seven years old. by the time he's fifteen...
1846797;1535855139;BingoBoingo;Related: More missiles hitting near Damascus
1846798;1535855494;BingoBoingo;No one's taken credit yet, so prolly dem old Jooz again
1846799;1535856009;mircea_popescu;speraking of great victories of the nato reich, https://www.abqjournal.com/953455/iraqi-forces-advance-on-islamic-state-held-western-mosul.html?amp=1
1846800;1535856012;mircea_popescu;LAST WEEK, this.
1846801;1535856066;BingoBoingo;Jews bomb syria, Pantsuit certain to take Mosul. Such Middle East
1846802;1535856068;mircea_popescu;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/afp/article-6119303/Suicide-bomber-kills-2-Iraq-policemen-security-official.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ito=1490&ns_campaign=1490 << etc.
1846803;1535856457;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile over here police keep demolishing houses in the ghetto https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/policia-demolio-la-casa-de-la-lider-de-los-chingas-20189112550
1846804;1535856466;mircea_popescu;la lider ?
1846805;1535856472;mircea_popescu;south america has a serious fucking problem.
1846806;1535856484;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: last week << '2 years ago' in text
1846807;1535856494;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform dates approximative.
1846808;1535856498;asciilifeform;lol
1846809;1535856649;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i don't get it, so washington pereyra informs that they demolished 10 houses including one of a woman that ambiguously either (ran a non-pantsuit-sanctioned soup kitchen) or (headed a criminal gang) because it was discovered that repeatedly gangsters asked locals "not involved in ilicit activity" to sell them their houses ?!
1846810;1535856663;mircea_popescu;wtf sense does this make ?!
1846811;1535856709;asciilifeform;loox like old-fashioned state terror , 'kowtow to pantsuit or we salt your fields'
1846812;1535856721;BingoBoingo;For some reason the Authoritits have a hard on for bulldozing shit in Casaville
1846813;1535856746;BingoBoingo;But hey, the 5-0 can't do raids in the night!
1846814;1535856749;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i'ma guess they saw a reportage from gaza strip once, where this 'worked' so well
1846815;1535856760;BingoBoingo;Vivir en Mierda!
1846816;1535856771;mircea_popescu;but doesn't it stand to reason that if indeed they demolished 10 "gangster" houses the "gangsters" in question now have all the more incentive to squeeze the pantsuit neighbours ? and if contrairy-wise, they demolished 10 pantsuit houses, thjey just did the "gangster"s one better ?!
1846817;1535856772;mircea_popescu;wtf.
1846818;1535856831;asciilifeform;'partizans blew a train, let's burn moar village'
1846819;1535856856;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo is this a very poorly communicated "these idiots '''built''' out of packaging on squatted land" thing ?
1846820;1535856882;asciilifeform;no mention of this in the link, or in the prev ones
1846821;1535856889;BingoBoingo;Casaville's a big squat region yes
1846822;1535856910;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform usually this is because "no need" because "everyone knows". latinos are a hopelessly fucked in the head barn animal species.
1846823;1535856913;BingoBoingo;Could be normalize titles with bulldozers
1846824;1535856922;asciilifeform;txt seems to imply that demolished 'because gangster', rather than 'because squat'
1846825;1535856944;mircea_popescu;wtf gangstering they might've done is anyone's guess.
1846826;1535856956;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: This is Uruguay. Having Grandparents who squatted 75 years ago is about as gangster as it gets
1846827;1535856962;mircea_popescu;they have these pieces here too, "police caught dope dealing ring, confiscated some dope and 20`000 colones in cash"
1846828;1535856964;asciilifeform;at any rate, if it's a selective de-squatting, doesn't break the '1942 ss vs partizan' flavour equation
1846829;1535856972;mircea_popescu;that's about 1/10 what a restaurant meal for 4 costs.
1846830;1535857023;mircea_popescu;in fact, i've yet to see a piece where teh police breaking up these truly dangerous drug rings found more than ~week's pay in cash.
1846831;1535857059;mircea_popescu;which points to some mindblowingly inept "gangsters" ; or i guess to some strangely inept yet very corrupt police.
1846832;1535857071;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in usa also when they pillage they find 'whole 20k usd' and not 20mil, for same reason
1846833;1535857093;mircea_popescu;at least in the us, 20k is enough to feed the people "captured" for the day.
1846834;1535857094;asciilifeform;( the folx with 20mil, paid their usg крыша properly )
1846835;1535857122;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-01#1846672 << I'll give this some more love tomorrow and the next, and should be good to go.
1846836;1535857122;a111;Logged on 2018-09-01 18:28 mircea_popescu: in unrelated news : minigame was going to work both an infinite-items and an infinite-lands update ; they kinda need the new client protocol (mostly to do on-demand content delivery) ; which is waiting for... cuntoo!
1846837;1535857143;BingoBoingo;Similarly I see nothing about the police busting folks trafficking "pasta base (cocaine chaw)" but they do occasionally bust folks taking cheap marihuana paraguaya to Punta Del Este
1846838;1535857154;mircea_popescu;i rather doubt there's those folks with 20 mil, at least at the level here discussed. a dime bag costs ~same here as in florida. actually, maybe slightly more expensiuve here. same as with hdds or w/e else, idiocy tax, everything costs the orcs more.
1846839;1535857162;mircea_popescu;trinque nice.
1846840;1535857234;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: how's that work, i thought uy 'legalized'
1846841;1535857274;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Uy legalized Uy marahuana, but not Para-guayuary marihuana
1846842;1535857282;mircea_popescu;ahahaha
1846843;1535857293;asciilifeform;is this like the cig smugglers in nyc ?
1846844;1535857303;mircea_popescu;sounds exactly like.
1846845;1535857328;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: No, its Uy can't get enough brains to Oregon and they run out of domestic grown
1846846;1535857363;BingoBoingo;Enterprising patriots supporting the travel industry run to paraguay to get pressed herb otherwise destined for Brasil, and...
1846847;1535857432;mircea_popescu;entrepreneursheep!
1846848;1535857439;BingoBoingo;Shortage averted.
1846849;1535857458;BingoBoingo;Police identify smuggled paraguayo by the packaging
1846850;1535857592;BingoBoingo;The folks who help cars park in the city also get Paraguay to flip
1846851;1535857784;mircea_popescu;wtf, they don't even repackage ?!
1846852;1535857817;mircea_popescu;100% like ny cig smuggling.
1846853;1535857879;BingoBoingo;Hard to repackage the Paraguay, its pressed for transit to Brasil
1846854;1535858031;BingoBoingo;Can't exactly fluff up flowers already smashed
1846855;1535858092;mircea_popescu;aha
1846856;1535858108;mircea_popescu;could macha it or w/e i guess. but yeah.
1846857;1535858642;BingoBoingo; It is what it is. Uruguay legalized the stuff and yet the locals can't gorw themselves into an Oregon problem
1846858;1535864623;mircea_popescu;https://news.netcraft.com/archives/2018/08/24/august-2018-web-server-survey.html#more-26685 << in other lulz, netcraft estimation of active websites, flat for EIGHT YEARS RUNNING.
1846859;1535864654;mircea_popescu;(their method of evaluating "activeness" is to remove content, keep html tag structure, and only count each structure once. supposedly it gets rid of autogenerated crapola.)
1846860;1535880259;diana_coman;wow, congrats asciilifeform on c101pa!
1846861;1535899058;asciilifeform;diana_coman: to be very specific, i did not properly break cr50. what i found instead was an apparently-Official (albeit undocumented) knob in the most recent fw release, which does equiv of rma unlock ( sets all of the permission bits for console ) and enables spi bus access, through which can r/w the main and ec fw turds.
1846862;1535899090;asciilifeform;what this does, is remove the 'nobus' aspect of the thing, nao anybody can r/w the fw via the snake.
1846863;1535899138;asciilifeform;what i have not found a way to do, is to neuter cr50 in the sense originally wanted , where it turns into simply battery controller and nobody can rewrite from snake.
1846864;1535899253;asciilifeform;fwiw i can also nao control 'pinmux' ( the built-in gadget that connects arbitrary lines on the pcb to arbitrary others ) and various other vendor knobs
1846865;1535899416;asciilifeform;there also appears to be a knob that switches off the usb console entirely, but i have not tried it yet, will test when i'm about to throw out the current mobo i have in there (with the damaged mouse connector) and put in new one (i have replacements)
1846866;1535899624;asciilifeform;( for those who did not follow the orig c101pa threads : the box has ~three~ firmware turds: 1) main (8MB) bootloader 2) EC (little arm thingie, has own console , controls all of kbd but the power and reset lines, as well as various voltages, and battery charger) 3) cr50 -- controls power/reset lines, inits the charging brick, and 'god mode' debug over the other 2 chips, i.e. cpu and EC )
1846867;1535899885;asciilifeform;i did get the unlock to persist across reboots, last night.
1846868;1535899915;asciilifeform;( if main fw is allowed to boot into 'non-dev' mode, it clears it, but once we wipe it and replace with cuntoo fw, this will not happen )
1846869;1535900036;asciilifeform;imho the ideal setup for this box (which has ~4~ nonvolatile roms -- the 3 above, and the 16GB ssd soldered onto mobo) is to put uboot in the main fw, and cuntoo ~installer~ on the 16GB ssd, which will boot if blank sd card is inserted, and install cuntoo on the latter; and subsequently boot off sd. this way the box will not slowly wear out the nonreplaceable internal ssd.
1846870;1535900181;asciilifeform;this will give a setup where a box separated from its sd, is 'unsecret', and can be expected to be identical to other cured units.
1846871;1535900331;asciilifeform;other item, is that a main bootloader built for this thing, theoretically will also work on the c100pa, which has no cr50.
1846872;1535900429;asciilifeform;( in so far as i can tell, those boxes are identical, aside from older rockchip (4 core, vs 6) , smaller ram, and cylindrical dc power supply connector instead of usb-c )
1846873;1535900554;asciilifeform;i'ma let mircea_popescu make the call re whether these finds add up to a 'let's make lappys' or not yet.
1846874;1535900590;*;asciilifeform bbl,teatime
1846875;1535901613;diana_coman;asciilifeform, to me that still sounds like quite a big step ahead
1846876;1535903449;asciilifeform;diana_coman: on one hand, it makes for straight recipe for cuntoo lappy; but on other, it would still be slightly syphilitic , i.e. not wholly scrubbed of googlism
1846877;1535905317;asciilifeform;in (mostly) unrelated lulz, recently asciilifeform found himself visiting several different crapple shops, and standing in a queue for hours, sov-style, simply to submit for repair a crapple lappy (2 yr old !) with swollen battery, whole thing looked like spoiled food tin
1846878;1535905350;diana_coman;the unique apple experience!
1846879;1535905389;asciilifeform;and, lulzily, not only do they charge coupla hundy for this, but they ~glue it in~ to make harder to replace ( chinese of course sell replacement, with bottle of acid to dissolve the glue, takes whole day, but this does not unbend the keyboard, mousepad, chassis, that bend from the swell )
1846880;1535905405;diana_coman;asciilifeform, re "not wholly scrubbed" - I've been cleaning eulora code for years and it's still not fully scrubbed of ps shit, so..
1846881;1535905427;asciilifeform;diana_coman: at least that one's scrubbable, rather than in drm rom
1846882;1535905481;diana_coman;to me apple stuff is still essentially a fashion item and yes, usually that comes with insanity as far as I can tell
1846883;1535905544;diana_coman;in principle yes; in practice, I'm not sure anymore where does scrubbing end essentially
1846884;1535905586;asciilifeform;diana_coman: fashions aside, if you're misfortunate enuff to need a recent x86-64 lappy where can attach large external displays, wifi, etc without aeons of config tweaking and flaky, yer stuck with crapple
1846885;1535905652;diana_coman;aeons of config tweaking or aeons in queue apparently?
1846886;1535905655;diana_coman;at any rate: sucks
1846887;1535905700;asciilifeform;it's for heathen work, for moneys.
1846888;1535905798;asciilifeform;ftr this was their last even half-usable box, right before they took away the f-keys.
1846889;1535905799;diana_coman;well, at least if they pay you for staying in the queue...
1846890;1535905902;diana_coman;I suppose that's also not that uncommon "productivity improvement" via "latest tech"
1846891;1535906153;asciilifeform;crapple has never not sucked, but the battery glue is imho a new low. gotta wonder what's next, maybe spikes will randomly emerge from the kbd
1846892;1535906172;asciilifeform;( i would say 'catches fire' is next, but then recalled that this is already not uncommon, and not merely in crapple machines )
1846893;1535906376;diana_coman;well, it looks pretty :D
1846894;1535906391;diana_coman;the spikes idea sounds cool too, maybe suggest it
1846895;1535906504;asciilifeform;i can already picture it : 2y from nao, asciilifeform will be posting re crapple box where there's tank of poisonous brazilian caterpillars in place of battery, and they broke loose, and gotta stand in queue to have'em replaced, and meanwhile crawling up sleeves
1846896;1535906655;asciilifeform;and it'll still be preferable to microshit.
1846897;1535906804;asciilifeform;( since mircea_popescu is asleep, i'ma have to put in placeholder for the oblig thread, [ m: 'you deserve this for working for a living, idjit' a: '...' ] )
1846898;1535907002;diana_coman;lol!
1846899;1535907042;asciilifeform;hey, i suspect the caterpillar battery is inevitable : 'ecological!111'
1846900;1535907081;asciilifeform;it isn't any moar outrageous than the butane-filled refrigerator BingoBoingo found himself with
1846901;1535907451;asciilifeform;and , fwiw, asciilifeform would rather live in su circa 1982 and design little calculators for 'elektronika'. but nobody asked him.
1846902;1535907630;asciilifeform;upstack -- folx who aint condemned to work with crapple artifacts, can laugh off the idiocies, but they spread like pestilence to other vendors, e.g. glossy lcd, glued-in battery, gpu soldered with balls that thermally cycle and guaranteed to come loose in 3-4 yrs, have already become ~ubiquitous in other portable boxen
1846903;1535907699;asciilifeform;or take the 'dollar store' quality kbd. already sop in all lappy.
1846904;1535907833;asciilifeform;( oblig. emulated-mircea_popescu answers, 'why do you need to take a comp on airplanes! sit on throne, in beach, drink rum, instead' )
1846905;1535908101;asciilifeform;aanyway i'm off to unwind for a spell in the room where it's 1982 , bbl.
1846906;1535908895;mircea_popescu;hanbot http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/SLiH6/?raw=true
1846907;1535908895;lobbesbot;mircea_popescu: Sent 2 hours and 53 minutes ago: <Mocky_phone> my internet went down last night. helpful cable guy scheduled to show up on tuesday
1846908;1535908925;mircea_popescu;lmao
1846909;1535909266;mircea_popescu;and cuntoo ~installer~ on the 16GB ssd << yes.
1846910;1535909318;mircea_popescu;and yes, i find it adds to lets make lappy.
1846911;1535909348;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-02#1846876 << moves the ratchet forward.
1846912;1535909348;a111;Logged on 2018-09-02 15:50 asciilifeform: diana_coman: on one hand, it makes for straight recipe for cuntoo lappy; but on other, it would still be slightly syphilitic , i.e. not wholly scrubbed of googlism
1846913;1535909485;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-02#1846877 << this is nothing. girl got sent (to major us metropolitan area) to scout for specific sex shop items. returned list of "best sex shops" in early stage. upon review of their "online store" it was discovered a) they are 100% cheap-ass white label crap, exactly indistinct from what douchebag would run and b) entirtely not representative of 1% of the stock of the brick and mortar store.
1846914;1535909485;a111;Logged on 2018-09-02 16:21 asciilifeform: in (mostly) unrelated lulz, recently asciilifeform found himself visiting several different crapple shops, and standing in a queue for hours, sov-style, simply to submit for repair a crapple lappy (2 yr old !) with swollen battery, whole thing looked like spoiled food tin
1846915;1535909485;mircea_popescu; girl was then sent on the premises, to explain that because they failed to have an online presence, either they let her photograph select items for her master or else they lose the sale.
1846916;1535909500;mircea_popescu;they didn't merely lose the sale ; but specifically sov-style she was "asked to leave".
1846917;1535909558;mircea_popescu;because average ustard actually perceives that a) limiting himself to his broke-ass, never-seen-money-in-life compatriots is not merely an acceptable business strategy, but legally mandatory and b) the correct response to "unexpected situation" is "nopenopenopenopenope".
1846918;1535909572;mircea_popescu;notwithstanding that universally "unexpected situation" is the subjective perception of "we utterly fucked up".
1846919;1535909603;mircea_popescu;the argentinization of the united states is so far progressed, i literally can not distinguish between the two by now. they make the same 0 sales.
1846920;1535909715;mircea_popescu;ie, problem is WAY the fuck worse than mere failure along the lines of http://trilema.com/2018/must-suck-to-be-one-of-you-average-guy-with-a-great-sense-of-humor-losers-seriously-now/#selection-91.829-95.1 ; they literally have given up on commerce as a going concern, and universally.
1846921;1535909741;mircea_popescu;"money is not doing, inca is doing" "nothin' doin'"
1846922;1535909881;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-02#1846883 << bwahaha.
1846923;1535909881;a111;Logged on 2018-09-02 16:25 diana_coman: in principle yes; in practice, I'm not sure anymore where does scrubbing end essentially
1846924;1535909907;mircea_popescu;um i mean, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-02#1846882 << bwahaha.
1846925;1535909907;a111;Logged on 2018-09-02 16:24 diana_coman: to me apple stuff is still essentially a fashion item and yes, usually that comes with insanity as far as I can tell
1846926;1535909916;mircea_popescu;eminently quotable line!
1846927;1535910027;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-02#1846904 << ask diana_coman about that rum.
1846928;1535910027;a111;Logged on 2018-09-02 17:03 asciilifeform: ( oblig. emulated-mircea_popescu answers, 'why do you need to take a comp on airplanes! sit on throne, in beach, drink rum, instead' )
1846929;1535911623;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/qntra-sqntr-august-2018-statement/ << Trilema - Qntra (S.QNTR) August 2018 Statement
1846930;1535911649;mircea_popescu;^ shares allocated also.
1846931;1535912259;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> it isn't any moar outrageous than the butane-filled refrigerator BingoBoingo found himself with << Well, butane is actually good refrigerant
1846932;1535912976;diana_coman;ah, the rum diplomatico, YES!
1846933;1535913004;mircea_popescu;kek
1846934;1535913069;Mocky;time warner cable sucks
1846935;1535913076;*;Mocky says from a coffee shop
1846936;1535913086;diana_coman;well, it was so good, we kept sipping it and then it would have been a pity to leave behind and then it's ugly to pack an opened bottle and so ...we finished it :P
1846937;1535913141;mircea_popescu;all in one evening, lol!
1846938;1535913210;diana_coman;no, no,there was a bit more for 2nd evening :P
1846939;1535913223;diana_coman;and one longish evening too
1846940;1535913232;mircea_popescu;lol
1846941;1535913248;mircea_popescu;anyway, matches exactly my first encounter with the thing.
1846942;1535913259;mircea_popescu;hanbot had a good chuckle
1846943;1535913273;mircea_popescu;Mocky sooo... is you is or is you ain't mah arab ?
1846944;1535913312;Mocky;I is
1846945;1535913340;mircea_popescu;cool deal.
1846946;1535913360;diana_coman;it was worth a good chuckle :P
1846947;1535913390;mircea_popescu;!!pay Mocky 2
1846948;1535913396;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/SAqmd/?raw=true
1846949;1535913482;hanbot;mircea_popescu hanbot also had a good chuckle when diana_coman's kiddo found the backseat stash: "i've found a thing!"
1846950;1535913528;diana_coman;ahahaha, yes; well, he had found it!
1846951;1535913540;mircea_popescu;Mocky : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/8BkIn/?raw=true
1846952;1535913552;mircea_popescu;lmao.
1846953;1535913640;mircea_popescu;hanbot was it quite a thing or just a bit ?
1846954;1535913653;Mocky;mircea_popescu, ok!
1846955;1535913670;mircea_popescu;adventure!
1846956;1535913892;BingoBoingo;Mocky: Congrats on making the decision to jump the fence
1846957;1535914008;Mocky;thx, this is quite exciting
1846958;1535914032;mircea_popescu;habibi, btw, means friend/brother.
1846959;1535914041;mircea_popescu;and ghamse means 5.
1846960;1535914051;mircea_popescu;there, the republic has equipped you with a very useful book in dealing with the locals.
1846961;1535914065;mircea_popescu;going DRRRRRRRINGGG / MEEEEEAOWWWW not so advisable tho.
1846962;1535914212;Mocky;my grandma would always tell me my name means kindhearted friend/brother...
1846963;1535914226;mircea_popescu;right.
1846964;1535914226;Mocky;every time my little brother got really annoying!
1846965;1535914266;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-01#1846369 : http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/bancofail.jpg
1846966;1535914266;a111;Logged on 2018-09-01 00:24 trinque: ah got it. bank shenanigans never end.
1846967;1535914289;mircea_popescu;Mocky o btw, you absolutely gotta try wearing the gelabeya or w/e they call it there.
1846968;1535914300;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what happened at that bancomat ?
1846969;1535914311;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it was too short for me.
1846970;1535914314;asciilifeform;lol!!
1846971;1535914325;asciilifeform;gulliver
1846972;1535914362;mircea_popescu;hey, midget banks.
1846973;1535914367;mircea_popescu;can't raise to the occasion.
1846974;1535914446;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-02#1846913 << why wouldja send emissaries to usa to buy chinese plastic cocks. ( even i knew -- nothing else is sold there )
1846975;1535914446;a111;Logged on 2018-09-02 17:31 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-02#1846877 << this is nothing. girl got sent (to major us metropolitan area) to scout for specific sex shop items. returned list of "best sex shops" in early stage. upon review of their "online store" it was discovered a) they are 100% cheap-ass white label crap, exactly indistinct from what douchebag would run and b) entirtely not representative of 1% of the stock of the brick and mortar store.
1846976;1535914478;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform because the self-same emissaries hold ridiculous goange in the head about how usa is something other than the garbage heap everyone urinates upon.
1846977;1535914495;asciilifeform;( tho, whoknows, perhaps grummann & lockheed make 50k usd titanium cocks... madeinusa!111 . i have not tried to buy. )
1846978;1535914511;mircea_popescu;this being the difference between us. i -- have tried. errything.
1846979;1535914518;*;asciilifeform believes.
1846980;1535914592;asciilifeform;i recall a thread where mircea_popescu contracted a foundry to make a whipping fixture or what was it, because argentines can't make anyffing
1846981;1535914628;mircea_popescu;the thread goes on AND ON. recall the exploded power line ? or the papier mache heating element ?
1846982;1535914636;mircea_popescu;there's a lot of this in late byzantine artefactry, too, btw.
1846983;1535914638;asciilifeform;aha
1846984;1535914653;asciilifeform;crapple meanwhile догнал и перегнал ar
1846985;1535914746;*;mircea_popescu would like to point out at this juncture that the fellow known as orban was in fact very not hungarian, but a transylvanian fellow. from brasov.
1846986;1535914783;mircea_popescu;the fall of the pantsuit citadel depends on technology transfer. ending the bullshit one impregnable fortress at a time.
1846987;1535914827;mircea_popescu;" he originally offered his services to the Byzantines, but emperor Constantine XI could not afford his high salary nor did he possess the materials necessary" <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-02#1846775 quite fucking EXACTLY.
1846988;1535914827;a111;Logged on 2018-09-02 01:53 mircea_popescu: time to learn that there's a time to grease, if one aims to avoid anal rape lubed in own blood.
1846989;1535914889;asciilifeform;btw recall one gerald bull ?
1846990;1535914892;asciilifeform;modern would-be orban
1846991;1535914919;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in #hatefacts, http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-restores-ottoman-history-in-hungary-132727
1846992;1535914923;asciilifeform;( canadian. pantsuit took contract on him, successfully )
1846993;1535914939;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform was this the shoot satellite guy ?
1846994;1535914948;asciilifeform;'babylon' cannon
1846995;1535914959;asciilifeform;sort of a modern-day hochdruckpumpe
1846996;1535914971;mircea_popescu;moron lived in belgium aha.
1846997;1535914985;asciilifeform;160 metre barrel.
1846998;1535915060;mircea_popescu;incidentally, ~that~ may be a good use of ye olde pellet gun.
1846999;1535915084;mircea_popescu;make a lengthy light barrel, do most of the acceleration towards the end, loose less energy to ^5 rule.
1847000;1535915236;Mocky;I'm getting "#pizarro :Cannot send to nick/channel" so will just drop this here: I created a dir named 'wwwhabeeb' in my shared hosting account. can you set me up to have domain mockyhabeeb.com be fed from that?
1847001;1535915252;asciilifeform;mod6: plz add Mocky to #p voice
1847002;1535915295;mircea_popescu;Mocky need to identify with nickserv, they prolly put +r on ; why new domain i don't get it ?!
1847003;1535915301;mircea_popescu;use your blog, that's what you have it for.
1847004;1535915385;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: giant artillery is a fertile field , imho ( take for instance the concept of evacuated barrel. impressive results even among basement aficionados with air rifles, in these )
1847005;1535915461;asciilifeform;expensive, but for same dough as the usg gigantic laser nonsense can get much bigger bang.
1847006;1535915506;mircea_popescu;i even saw ancient "invention", was pretty entertaining : barrel has holes cut, through which walls can fall in. as the projectile moves through barrel it clicks the supports walls fall behind it, leaving a chamber. low pressure (ordinary 50kg air compressor) resulting in common bullet shooting at supersonic speeds.
1847007;1535915554;asciilifeform;supersonic per se is not so difficult to achieve, ordinary air rifle gives routinely
1847008;1535915559;mircea_popescu;right.
1847009;1535915577;mircea_popescu;but usually with tiny pellets. this fired 50-100g sorta things.
1847010;1535915580;Mocky;mircea_popescu, it's not new just sitting unused. I'll use blog, yes. If I find a use for the alternate, will be ready to go
1847011;1535915589;mircea_popescu;a ok.
1847012;1535915602;mircea_popescu;but do not fall into the trap of "this is for engineering and this is for fucking and this is for..."
1847013;1535915617;asciilifeform;( btw modern air rifle, not the break-open type but the refinement of the austrian 1700s concept, where you pump for hour to fill the bottle, is mighty impressive item, i have one here for pest control, readily punches hole in several wooden planks laid together )
1847014;1535915622;mircea_popescu;a man divided upon himself can not stand. let people looking for mockybot gaze upon mockycock, it's good for them.
1847015;1535915657;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform truth be told ordinary air can get packed pretty tight before it becomes degenerate matter.
1847016;1535915679;asciilifeform;this one takes ~300 atmosphere
1847017;1535915715;mircea_popescu;http://www.northshorecompressor.com/ << dealers wanted!
1847018;1535915734;asciilifeform;the interesting bit is that you can get the 300 atm by ~hand~
1847019;1535915738;asciilifeform;takes a while tho.
1847020;1535915761;mircea_popescu;anyway, https://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server2200/84dac/product_images/uploaded_images/nc-20-industrial-web.jpg << 6k psi item not so big deal
1847021;1535915775;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform takes a while and very good quality mechanicals.
1847022;1535915787;asciilifeform;takes about 40min, if you're in shape
1847023;1535915810;asciilifeform;can use electric compressor, as mircea_popescu's photo, but these are finnicky & expensive, need regular oiling
1847024;1535915827;asciilifeform;folx who fill diving tanks, use these.
1847025;1535915860;mircea_popescu;for humans, 6k psi ~= 40 kn/mm^2
1847026;1535915929;asciilifeform;it is interesting to consider the austrian rifle -- was 'wunderwaffe' of its time, picture, <1s/shot , and iirc 50+ shots on one bottle, with ~= energy to musket of the time
1847027;1535915944;asciilifeform;was finnicky/expensive tech tho, and did not catch on
1847028;1535915999;asciilifeform;their compressor was a thing resembling old school fire brigade pump, the kind with seesaw handle
1847029;1535916082;mircea_popescu;still, you have to have finely machined fine alloys.
1847030;1535916144;asciilifeform;interestingly the weak point was not the metals, then, but the pressure gasket. they had to use leather.
1847031;1535916154;asciilifeform;which had to be wet.
1847032;1535916157;asciilifeform;dry air -- leaks.
1847033;1535916190;mircea_popescu;as anyone who's ever had surpise sex knows.
1847034;1535916198;asciilifeform;erry time i read about 'faberge' era tech, astonished re what was possible
1847035;1535916206;asciilifeform;consider von kempelen's creations, say.
1847036;1535916218;mircea_popescu;quite.
1847037;1535916292;mircea_popescu;certainly well the fuck more was possible than http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-02#1846916 bullshit.
1847038;1535916292;a111;Logged on 2018-09-02 17:31 mircea_popescu: they didn't merely lose the sale ; but specifically sov-style she was "asked to leave".
1847039;1535916364;asciilifeform;lolyes
1847040;1535916542;mircea_popescu;speaking of both artillery and teh anglo-jewishness, i find it funny there's so much hay about agincourt etc, but hardly ever mentioned teh equally lulzy battle of castillion.
1847041;1535916552;mircea_popescu;anglos were thoroughly fucked up by french artillery there.
1847042;1535916870;deedbot;http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2016/01/logbot_command_router_python-genesis/ << lobbesblog - logbot_command_router_python: Genesis
1847043;1535917004;mircea_popescu;ha!
1847044;1535917172;lobbes;hmm looks like the system date was reset on teh rockchip on restart; fucked up the post url. one sec. will fix
1847045;1535917498;lobbes;aite, here's the updated link >> http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/09/logbot_command_router_python-genesis/
1847046;1535917638;mircea_popescu;lobbes ye olde link 404s. sadly i'm affraid this particular corner case wasn't covered in mp-wp user friendliness, doesn't autofix it.
1847047;1535917941;asciilifeform;lobbes: rk has no battery in rtc, you gotta set its clock on boot, yes
1847048;1535929117;deedbot;http://bimbo.club/?p=5 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR log summary - 08/29/2018
1847049;1535929225;deedbot;http://bimbo.club/?p=6 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR log summary - 08/30/2018
1847050;1535931791;deedbot;http://bimbo.club/?p=7 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR log summary - 08/31/2018
1847051;1535939900;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in the sad zoo, https://archive.is/twvyY ( for expert entomologists strictly )
1847052;1535940039;asciilifeform;https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1515121778824.jpg << related lul
1847053;1535941907;mircea_popescu;doh.
1847054;1535953695;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/09/chinese-billionaire-richard-liu-arrested-and-released-in-minnesota-over-vague-sex-allegations/ << Qntra - Chinese Billionaire Richard Liu Arrested And Released In Minnesota Over Vague Sex Allegations
1847055;1535990274;asciilifeform;in other idjicies, 'Note that the latest U-Boot require version gcc-5.0...'
1847056;1535994266;asciilifeform;*** Your GCC is older than 6.0 and is not supported
1847057;1535994266;asciilifeform;arch/arm/config.mk:66: recipe for target 'checkgcc6' failed
1847058;1535994266;asciilifeform;make: *** [checkgcc6] Error 1
1847059;1535994296;asciilifeform;^ apparently this thing will need several 1000 litre honeywagons to fully empty of liquishit.
1847060;1535995690;asciilifeform;as-salaam alaikum, Mocky
1847061;1535996052;asciilifeform;!!up Mocky
1847062;1535996053;deedbot;Mocky voiced for 30 minutes.
1847063;1535996070;Mocky;thx
1847064;1535996319;Mocky;deedbot was answering my !!help but not !!up, eventually came thru 5 minutes later with multiple responses
1847065;1535996350;Mocky;!!down
1847066;1535996360;asciilifeform;Mocky: i've seen this before, sometimes i suspect trinque runs the thing on a 386...
1847067;1535997565;trinque;oh whatever.
1847068;1535997574;trinque;I'm not taking any more responsibility for freenode than any of you.
1847069;1535997687;asciilifeform;trinque: fleanode puts 5min delays in your path ?! ( i'll believe , but haven't yet seen this wonder with own eyes )
1847070;1535997803;trinque;it has been a waste of my time to investigate every instance of this, always ending up with "bot thought it was connected, was not"
1847071;1535997914;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-03#1847069 << o yeah. at least weekly occurence here.
1847072;1535997914;a111;Logged on 2018-09-03 18:01 asciilifeform: trinque: fleanode puts 5min delays in your path ?! ( i'll believe , but haven't yet seen this wonder with own eyes )
1847073;1535997950;trinque;somebody's going to have to give me logs then, instead of vague complaints
1847074;1535997976;trinque;ahem.. Mocky
1847075;1535997978;mircea_popescu;trinque you want logs of freenode being an unreliable pos ?!
1847076;1535998001;trinque;I thought you were saying deedbot
1847077;1535998014;mircea_popescu;i put in the more egregious ones, such as "timeout 260 seconds" coming BEFORE a message and such nonsense. but really...
1847078;1535998059;mircea_popescu;no, i'm saying freenode adds multi-minute delays at least weekly.
1847079;1535998073;trinque;yeah that's what I've observed as well
1847080;1535998097;trinque;but I'll upgrade to 486DX2 just for alf
1847081;1535998103;Mocky;i don't have any complains, vague or otherwise. just stated what i saw. worked out for me in the end
1847082;1535998116;Mocky;don't forget to hit that turbo button tho
1847083;1535998128;mircea_popescu;it works best if you tweak it.\
1847084;1535998308;PeterL;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-30#1845808 << I feel like this is directed at people like me, telling me to get out, but I am not sure?
1847085;1535998308;a111;Logged on 2018-08-30 13:22 mircea_popescu: the overarching point being that neither #trilema nor tmsr is a sort of dilbert-larping-zone, here for the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-29#1845588 "salaried zek" element to gather after hours, smoke, and predictably if circularly discuss how-stupid-everyone-but-us-is.
1847086;1535998370;Mocky;or maybe to get in?
1847087;1535998370;mircea_popescu;PeterL how in are you to begin with ? pick a rifle stand a post ; alternatively pick a lord help out in his castle ; alternatively may i suggest radiomodelism ? or perhaps fishing ?
1847088;1535998405;mircea_popescu;republic-as-hobby is a pre 2018 item, really.
1847089;1535998449;mircea_popescu;it has to be ; people are uprooting their households in search of glory, it'd be moronic to insult their toil through an overtolerant attitude towards complacency.
1847090;1535998474;PeterL;I see your point
1847091;1535998773;PeterL;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-01#1846578 << I have visited a mosque, it's actually the biggest in the US, in Dearborn MI
1847092;1535998773;a111;Logged on 2018-09-01 15:53 mircea_popescu: in fact, thinking about it, me and you might be the ONLY TO people present who've even ever been inside a mosque
1847093;1535998792;mircea_popescu;built before 1492.
1847094;1535998820;PeterL;now you are moving the goal posts
1847095;1535998845;BingoBoingo;Red Queen problem
1847096;1535998924;mircea_popescu;well, if i said "i'm the only guy here to have read illuminated manuscript" and someone said they read beatrix potter's books i'd similarily point out that the term denotes items made before beatrix potter was invented.
1847097;1535998957;mircea_popescu;i outright deny it is possible to build anything other than a ~model~ mosque in the new world.
1847098;1535999010;PeterL;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-26#1844708 << my sister-in-law lives in Turkey (teacher at a foreign school), goes in and out every few months just fine, but she was living there before they tightened their border
1847099;1535999010;a111;Logged on 2018-08-26 14:56 mircea_popescu: speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-11#1736154 you know us citizen can't get into turkey for love or money ?
1847100;1535999023;mircea_popescu;she got dual ?
1847101;1535999057;PeterL;dual citenzship? no, just US citizenship
1847102;1535999071;mircea_popescu;remarkable.
1847103;1535999086;PeterL;unless she married somebody over there and never told anybody in the family, which I guess is possible
1847104;1535999092;*;mircea_popescu shall put more solvent into this matter.
1847105;1535999116;asciilifeform;i suspect even northkr has a list of 'tolerated untermenschen' with us passport who go in, out
1847106;1535999124;PeterL;she keeps saying we should come visit, so it sounds like at least she thinks US citizens could get in
1847107;1535999144;mircea_popescu;hm.
1847108;1535999244;asciilifeform;https://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2017/12/276772.htm << from the reich's mouth; claims visas buyable
1847109;1535999260;asciilifeform;as of dec '17
1847110;1535999272;PeterL;she does get the "randomly selected" additional security screening every time she goes through a US airport, we assume it is just because of "lives in turkey", but maybe she is on a terrorist watch list somewhere
1847111;1535999311;mircea_popescu;double agent! conspiraci!
1847112;1535999355;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i really wouldn't believe the spinsters one iota in this matter. sure as fuck nobody in turkey gave no "assurances" and in general their pretend-sovereign posture is fucking ridiculous, besides spurious.
1847113;1535999374;asciilifeform;seems like the only way to test is empirically
1847114;1535999387;*;Mocky ducks
1847115;1535999388;mircea_popescu;hey PeterL ... wanna go to turkey ? :D
1847116;1535999411;asciilifeform;asciilifeform ( & pet ) wanted to, for ages
1847117;1535999418;asciilifeform;mecca of archaeology
1847118;1535999420;PeterL;it sounds like a nice place to visit
1847119;1535999468;*;asciilifeform as a small boy, 'if i jump this-high, can i see turks??'
1847120;1535999568;mircea_popescu;"no, but if you bend over and turn like-so, probably will."
1847121;1535999584;asciilifeform;lol
1847122;1535999606;asciilifeform;'golden rivet'(tm)(r)
1847123;1535999609;PeterL;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-11#1840935 << bingoboingo: when my wife makes bread she adds egg, but it is very small amount, like one egg for batch that makes two loaves each two feet long
1847124;1535999609;a111;Logged on 2018-08-11 03:26 mircea_popescu: also stop putting egg in bread. egg is for cozonac, aranygaluska/monkeybread etc, sweetbreads.
1847125;1535999668;mircea_popescu;that's a lot of bread! how long till you go through that ?
1847126;1535999746;PeterL;we have four kids and it is light, fluffy and delicious, it never lasts more than 24 hours
1847127;1535999786;mircea_popescu;;/
1847128;1535999802;mircea_popescu;in my old age i barely dare a coupla slices a day. and no, they're not footwide slices either ;/
1847129;1535999871;PeterL;or she uses basically the same recipe to make two large pizzas, or about 8 bread bowl sized round loaves to stuff soup in
1847130;1535999920;asciilifeform;re derp.gov, further lulz, https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-travel/International-Travel-Country-Information-Pages/Turkey.html >> 'Reconsider travel to Turkey due to terrorism and arbitrary detentions' << didjaknow !
1847131;1535999957;PeterL;then you fill it with a creamy potato soup and basically fall into a starch fueled happy coma after you're done eating
1847132;1535999972;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the gall, usg talking of arbitrary detentions.
1847133;1535999979;asciilifeform;ikr?
1847134;1535999989;mircea_popescu;org behind 99% of worldwide arbitrary detentions
1847135;1536000021;PeterL;seems like you are more likely to be detained in Turkey if you are government official than visiting tourist
1847136;1536000053;mircea_popescu;this much is certain.
1847137;1536000071;mircea_popescu;in fact, you're universally more likely to be fucked if you ever worked for natoistan than if you haven't.
1847138;1536000108;PeterL;in US on the other hand, don't carry large amounts of cash when crossing the border or being pulled over by police
1847139;1536000194;mircea_popescu;or don't be rich, or powerful, or important, or famous, or... PRETTY.
1847140;1536000196;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: thread specifically re usa inmates, tho
1847141;1536000206;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/compliance/#selection-101.0-101.175
1847142;1536000217;mircea_popescu;i got links so it did happen!
1847143;1536001504;mircea_popescu;o look at that.
1847144;1536001575;mircea_popescu;65 second lag at peak, alf. if it makes you feel better.
1847145;1536001784;mircea_popescu;awww!
1847146;1536001792;mircea_popescu;but alf! the intertubes!
1847147;1536001916;mircea_popescu;no ?!
1847148;1536001926;mircea_popescu;BURN THE INFIDEL DOG!
1847149;1536002270;trinque;ahaha
1847150;1536002281;mircea_popescu;wellcome back asciilifeform
1847151;1536002285;mircea_popescu;inb4 nolag.jpg
1847152;1536002328;mircea_popescu;!!up asciilifeform
1847153;1536002405;deedbot;asciilifeform voiced for 30 minutes.
1847154;1536002443;asciilifeform;hm.
1847155;1536002462;asciilifeform;fleanode 'this server is shutting for upgrade...' lulz earlier.
1847156;1536002507;mircea_popescu;too bad you didn't have the 549876598th ~random "error message" handled!
1847157;1536002515;asciilifeform;i still suspect a very noisy 'route through london' lulz afflicting deedbot.
1847158;1536002587;asciilifeform;( moar lulz, when reconnecting, cycled through 8 or so fleanode boxen before 1 answered )
1847159;1536002629;trinque;deedbot may just be the most visible indication that freenode's shitting the bed. wouldn't have any indication when asciilifeform sent his last message to chan, for example.
1847160;1536002629;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/cltKR/?raw=true << you were in a few times.
1847161;1536002706;*;trinque "well there's flooding down in texas..  all of the telephone lines are down"
1847162;1536002724;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: interesting
1847163;1536002731;*;asciilifeform bbl, tomato harvest
1847164;1536004219;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/the-perfect-day/ << Trilema - The Perfect Day
1847165;1536005032;BingoBoingo;PeterL: My though was make the bread more nutritionally complete.
1847166;1536011848;mats;https://jamesone111.wordpress.com/2014/03/19/exploring-the-transcend-wifi-sd-card
1847167;1536014225;trinque;ave1: couldn't reproduce your errors. all I had to do to re-run the cuntoo build was to fix the portage snapshot var.
1847168;1536014253;trinque;will cut a release with the v-tronic portage shortly and we can see if that also breaks for ya.
1847169;1536015580;mircea_popescu; Anyone can program: my frustrations arise when they do it without  proper specification, testing regime, documentation and “after care”. << it is deeply untrue that anyone can program.
1847170;1536015629;mircea_popescu;and similarily, if "anyone can fuck my wife" you've probably not put enoug thought into this whole wifing business.
1847171;1536017205;cazalla;still works huh, imagine that, hello
1847172;1536017259;mircea_popescu;how's australia's most famous dysfunctional marriage going ?
1847173;1536017284;cazalla;well, i just got back from a month bumming around taiwan, probably says enough
1847174;1536017302;cazalla;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-14#1834665 << tbh figured you would have brought the hammer down long before
1847175;1536017302;a111;Logged on 2018-07-14 16:31 mircea_popescu: smoking nervously in the corner, cazalla mother[m] valentinbuza zineKing zx2c4 etc.
1847176;1536017321;mircea_popescu;i'm slow.
1847177;1536017390;cazalla;or gracious
1847178;1536017501;mircea_popescu;how come you didn't come up for air back in taiwan anyway ?
1847179;1536017546;cazalla;didn't have the keys
1847180;1536017590;mircea_popescu;well, are you going back ? we've been trying to hire a sinoslut for ages.
1847181;1536017626;cazalla;my new squeeze speaks chinese, can't read or write it though
1847182;1536017667;cazalla;i'll likely go back to do the south of the island, but nothing permanent
1847183;1536017746;mircea_popescu;well, did you come by to make yourself useful, or to say bye ?
1847184;1536017849;cazalla;when i go back, i can try to find someone to fit that role, can't say i'm confident in my ability to come up with someone though
1847185;1536017895;mircea_popescu;why not ?
1847186;1536017934;cazalla;i'd rather come back with nothing if i wasn't certain whatever i found was up to par
1847187;1536017942;cazalla;wasn't*
1847188;1536017969;cazalla;don't want to go out on the real estate rental pamphlet kind of way
1847189;1536018013;mircea_popescu;what par ?
1847190;1536018045;cazalla;the people who have taken jobs, came back claiming what they've brought back is what was wanted when it missed completely
1847191;1536018085;cazalla;ill speak to the new squeeze but she's pretty, not so smart, just as likely to bring me the opposite
1847192;1536018089;mircea_popescu;the whole par is female adolescent non-dull.
1847193;1536018162;cazalla;i guess she could put posters up at work (amkor)
1847194;1536018201;mircea_popescu;eh just go out talk to uni of taiwan hotties.
1847195;1536018268;cazalla;ok
1847196;1536018285;cazalla;worked with the flips so why not
1847197;1536018411;mircea_popescu;this is one of the places where a honest fail is worth some chunk of a flat success.
1847198;1536018497;cazalla;i don't understand how large the difference between traditional v simplified chinese is or if it matters in this case
1847199;1536018538;mircea_popescu;i dun want some european transplant. born there to locals.
1847200;1536018548;mircea_popescu;otherwise i could send my own heh.
1847201;1536018576;cazalla;yeah, i get that, but the taiwanese speak/read/write a different chinese to the mainlanders, as to how different it is i don't know
1847202;1536018607;mircea_popescu;well, find out!
1847203;1536018669;cazalla;i'll give it some thought and planning, likely go back october/november once it cools a bit more
1847204;1536018708;mircea_popescu;alright.
1847205;1536018730;mircea_popescu;you seem in very entirely absent danger of being beaten to the punch, for some incomprehensible reason.
1847206;1536018757;cazalla;funny that, couldn't be an easier place to visit, safe and no visa required up to 90 days, just turn up
1847207;1536018785;mircea_popescu;myeah. i'm aware.
1847208;1536018949;cazalla;anyway, off to the gym, bbl
1847209;1536018967;mircea_popescu;enjoy.
1847210;1536020179;BingoBoingo;Oh, crap I went for a walk and missed cazalla
1847211;1536020218;mircea_popescu;better than the other way around.
1847212;1536020255;BingoBoingo;lol
1847213;1536020392;BingoBoingo;<cazalla> ill speak to the new squeeze but she's pretty, not so smart, just as likely to bring me the opposite << What language does her mom speak?
1847214;1536021273;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/09/racist-south-african-farm-thieves-to-stick-victims-with-mortgages-while-imf-endorses-plan/ << Qntra - Racist South African Farm Thieves To Stick Victims With Mortgages While IMF Endorses Plan
1847215;1536021423;mircea_popescu;lollercoaster.
1847216;1536021439;BingoBoingo;Was actually published a few hours ago, but Freenode weather
1847217;1536021591;mircea_popescu;ikr, trilema got one too. speaking of which asciilifeform we actually spent nothing this month huh! (booked the year colo in july tho paid on like 3rd)
1847218;1536023941;cazalla;BingoBoingo, ilonggo and tagalog
1847219;1536024002;BingoBoingo;Ah
1847220;1536024003;mircea_popescu;does she have a very large clit ?
1847221;1536024048;cazalla;these girls are tiny little things, no ass, no chest, sweet though
1847222;1536025023;cazalla;mircea_popescu, i have any idea of what you want from the logs, but can we come up with some specifics so i have some kind of framework as to work with
1847223;1536025032;cazalla;an idea
1847224;1536025948;mircea_popescu;clever adolescent chinese woman.
1847225;1536026001;cazalla;18-21?
1847226;1536026030;cazalla;i don't wanna be the white foreign guy hitting on young girls tbh
1847227;1536026037;cazalla;even if it's for a job
1847228;1536026089;mircea_popescu;why not ?
1847229;1536026187;cazalla;i guess i don't have the experience and it makes me feel uncomfortable chatting with someone under 18 even if it's benign, call it conditioning from the west
1847230;1536026228;mircea_popescu;pretty silly.
1847231;1536026248;mircea_popescu;but anyway, uni chicks are usually 18-22 or so
1847232;1536026252;BingoBoingo;That's PTSD
1847233;1536026281;cazalla;and these taiwanese consider themselves seperate from the chinese, although they are of the same blood
1847234;1536026302;cazalla;they make the distinction where as i don't, but do you if i bring some taiwanese lass in here?
1847235;1536026306;BingoBoingo;Well, what kinds of places are you sleeping on your adventures?
1847236;1536026345;cazalla;cheap hotels
1847237;1536026358;cazalla;i already know what you'll say re: accommodation though :)
1847238;1536026363;BingoBoingo;Gotta give hostels a try
1847239;1536026382;cazalla;muh own space
1847240;1536026404;cazalla;surprised enough i got a plane and went overseas.. really should've done that shit a long time ago
1847241;1536026407;BingoBoingo;The socialization is of tremendous value
1847242;1536026438;BingoBoingo;Gets you out of your own head
1847243;1536026821;cazalla;i did get out of my head, i hear (and have read from your own account) what you're saying, went out on a few day trips with the locals and spoke to them etc
1847244;1536026880;cazalla;not much i can say you haven't experienced or don't already know having done it i guess
1847245;1536026968;BingoBoingo;Well, a good chunk of it is the when of being around people
1847246;1536027373;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/no-such-labs-snsa-august-2018-statement/ << Trilema - No Such lAbs (S.NSA), August 2018 Statement
1847247;1536049037;deedbot;http://bimbo.club/?p=8 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR log summary - 09/01/2018
1847248;1536049113;deedbot;http://bingology.net/2018/06/29/the-moving-process-in-montevideo-continues/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog - The Moving Process In Montevideo Continues
1847249;1536049113;deedbot;http://bingology.net/2018/07/05/settling-into-apartment-life/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog - Settling Into Apartment Life
1847250;1536049114;deedbot;http://bingology.net/2018/07/07/a-look-at-fraudball-the-terrible-spectator-sport/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog - A Look At Fraudball, The Terrible Spectator Sport
1847251;1536049114;deedbot;http://bingology.net/2018/07/14/the-joy-of-morcilla-dulce/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog - The Joy Of Morcilla Dulce
1847252;1536049114;deedbot;http://bingology.net/2018/07/28/meet-harry/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog - Meet Harry
1847253;1536049114;deedbot;http://bingology.net/2018/07/29/casa-boingo-a-photo-tour/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog - Casa Boingo - A Photo Tour
1847254;1536049114;deedbot;http://bingology.net/2018/08/02/selected-costs-associated-with-furnishing-casa-boingo-for-the-curious/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog - Selected Costs Associated With Furnishing Casa Boingo For The Curious
1847255;1536049115;deedbot;http://bingology.net/2018/08/10/3-days-of-loaves/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog - 3 Days Of Loaves
1847256;1536049115;deedbot;http://bingology.net/2018/08/27/peso-watch-august-edition/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog - Peso Watch August Edition
1847257;1536049115;deedbot;http://bingology.net/2018/08/29/waking-up-into-spring/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog - Waking Up Into Spring
1847258;1536070617;diana_coman;asciilifeform, trinque in case it helps, the kernel option I need to turn on in order to be able to run iptables on the smg machine is networking support/networking options/network packet filtering framework/core netfilter configuration/netfilter xtables support
1847259;1536070665;trinque;sounds right to me; there are myriad other kernel options for various rule types for iptables
1847260;1536070813;mircea_popescu;this sounds like a terrible way to go about it. what, fiddling with iptables = kernel rebuild ? why even have a scriptable config if this is how it goes, jaysus
1847261;1536071346;trinque;I can't anticipate every single use case someone's going to have.
1847262;1536071357;trinque;or could otherwise just bundle every single module and driver.
1847263;1536071373;mircea_popescu;we're not even discussing you, here. i was talking about iptables.
1847264;1536071373;trinque;which isn't how I run my own kernels at all.
1847265;1536071401;trinque;ah, yeah, API to hook to some userland filter proggie and be done with it, eh?
1847266;1536071425;trinque;but then the Linux kernel even has in-built TLS support these days (at least optional, for now)
1847267;1536071442;mircea_popescu;it's my understanding that the point of adding scriptability to a program is exactly that : to permit changes in its functioning ("configuration") without requiring a whole recompile. much like the point of adding a steering wheel in a car is to permit the car to take arbitrary curves, as scripted at time of driving. rather than having to driver (how?) car back to factory get a new one with the differently inclined wheelbase.
1847268;1536071458;mircea_popescu;even though a car with fixed wheel inclination would be more robust and cheaper to build.
1847269;1536071507;mircea_popescu;so in this sense, if "iptables" as a module requires recompilation in order for the scripting to work, it's exactly like a car which, upon turning the wheel, puts up an order for a new car via the useful app instead of turning the wheels.
1847270;1536071514;mircea_popescu;ie, anti-useful.
1847271;1536071564;mircea_popescu;now, it boggles my mind that this is how it'd fucking work. is it ?!
1847272;1536071587;trinque;more like "if you want to filter by bandwidth throughput instead of source/dest IP, gotta add new module"
1847273;1536071640;mircea_popescu;well this promises to be a serio0us problem that can't be winged, but will require some thought ; in part because i don't directly see the difference ; and in part because i don't really think a machine without a functioning way to limit access to it is actually seaworthy.
1847274;1536071661;mircea_popescu;i mean, it'd be ok for a terminal. but as a server it gotta have something-like-iptables neh ?
1847275;1536071874;trinque;there is an extremely broad category of possible iptables/netfilter doodads with which to make a firewall, router, etc. I could certainly see use in defining a subset of what's available as standard.
1847276;1536071965;trinque;iirc diana_coman is running an asciilifeform kernel, but I think alf approaches kernels similarly to me: "nothing broke when I turned this off, so off" until that heuristic bumps into something. going to be different bumps in different deployments.
1847277;1536072034;diana_coman;it is asciilifeform's kernel indeed; iptables or something else to limit access though I think is a must on a server
1847278;1536072042;mircea_popescu;trinque kinda what i was thinking here, spend an hour thinking what'd make the cut, put it in, and that's it.
1847279;1536072074;mircea_popescu;diana_coman 's thing above serving as a "no less than" seeing how minigame is a major downstream adopter ; and the usual "more loc ?! fu!" as a "no more than" driver.
1847280;1536072079;mircea_popescu;make a cut between and that's it.
1847281;1536072239;trinque;worx for me
1847282;1536072240;mircea_popescu;but yes, evidently the (undiagnosed ; are these people morons ?!) problem is that "anything could be a firewall rule", ie, this is a place where the scripting turns upon the whole machine state. which makes me suspoect there's a more fundamental error at work somewhere (possibly the very attempt to build a pantsuit net, allcomers-based, possibly something else), but until we get a fix on that...
1847283;1536072256;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-04#1847258 << diana_coman i was under the (possibly mistaken) impression that i built smg box with iptables-able kernel. but was not ?
1847284;1536072256;a111;Logged on 2018-09-04 14:16 diana_coman: asciilifeform, trinque in case it helps, the kernel option I need to turn on in order to be able to run iptables on the smg machine is networking support/networking options/network packet filtering framework/core netfilter configuration/netfilter xtables support
1847285;1536072288;asciilifeform;or was simply 1 ~component~ of iptables absent ( there's somewhere like 50+ 'optionals' in the list )
1847286;1536072289;trinque;diana_coman: mind throwing me your kernel .config for comparison with mine?
1847287;1536072300;asciilifeform;zcat /proc/conf.gz > foo
1847288;1536072301;diana_coman;asciilifeform, original box did not have iptables support, no
1847289;1536072323;asciilifeform;diana_coman: aah we're speaking of the april box
1847290;1536072342;asciilifeform;yes, iirc it did not, given as it was a physical clone of mine, which at the time also did not.
1847291;1536072358;asciilifeform;diana_coman: if you copy kernel from the 2nd smg box, you get iptables.
1847292;1536072402;diana_coman;asciilifeform, I have iptables atm; the idea was to have it by default on any new config/box/system
1847293;1536072423;mircea_popescu;the other idea being that apparently it's not even strictly speaking clear what "have iptables" means.
1847294;1536072431;asciilifeform;diana_coman: fwiw it comes by default with all asciilifeform-prepared boxen nao, incl. all new rk customer.
1847295;1536072447;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform which modules did you end up putting in ?
1847296;1536072448;trinque;aha, "what does firewall mean to /me/ ?"
1847297;1536072456;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is entirely so, take a look at the kernel config list sometime, it is a riot of ???
1847298;1536072464;mircea_popescu;yes well.
1847299;1536072468;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc i posted the config, lessee, :
1847300;1536072476;mircea_popescu;let's import as little turd in sausage as we can.
1847301;1536072494;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-12#1833855 <<
1847302;1536072494;a111;Logged on 2018-07-12 15:36 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: asciilifeform's old kernel consists of hand-selected modules, corresponding to dulap-III irons, config can be seen here, http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/conf_current.conf
1847303;1536072512;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you gotta get better at labeling. "old" here is "not april ; but thje later one" ?
1847304;1536072548;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: july 11, 1300 hrs , '18
1847305;1536072564;mircea_popescu;alright. is this your latest, ie, current kernel ?
1847306;1536072573;diana_coman;and just so it doesn't get forgotten, any new config should have xhci turned off as per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-01#1838824
1847307;1536072573;a111;Logged on 2018-08-01 21:28 diana_coman: after reading around on this mess with the usb speeds, the summary + questions would be: 1. the dwc_otg seems actually specific to raspberry pi so I don't see how it's directly useful atm; am I missing something?  2. the manual/runtime pill so far relies on the companion mechanism to force a USB port down from "high speed" to "full speed" so basically from ehci to uhci/ohci; wouldn't it make more sense to blacklist ehci, xhci and whatever
1847308;1536072578;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: for x86 -- yes
1847309;1536072590;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: for rk , separate, and recently updated ( pending publication )
1847310;1536072612;mircea_popescu;alright. so basically, we have a july latest-kernel from alf at http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/conf_current.conf << diana_coman trinque erryone else interested read and see if it works for you / comment ?
1847311;1536072618;trinque;diana_coman: that's going to have speed implications for anyone attaching an external drive, neh?
1847312;1536072630;*;trinque rereads thread
1847313;1536072635;mircea_popescu;yeah ; we have a FG vs external-ssd issue baking ;/
1847314;1536072637;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: note that this kernel is tailored to dulap-style box (i.e. amd, and with that particular raid card)
1847315;1536072664;mircea_popescu;ah right, days of general-purpose kernel also pre-2018 item huh.
1847316;1536072672;trinque;yep that throws out usb 3.0
1847317;1536072679;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i still dunget why it has to be issue, usb hub can be dialed down to desired speed with method described on FG www pg
1847318;1536072721;asciilifeform;( i discovered the method quite early, in the days of mass FG tests, but did not know the sheer number of sad boxen / kernels afflicted, that turn out to need it )
1847319;1536072725;mircea_popescu;alright. it seems the logical cut here is to disentangle trinque from kernel talk. go ye and make cuntoo ; wtf will we do with the kernels, this is rapidly reverting to 1800s standards of engineering, "die with knowledge"
1847320;1536072753;asciilifeform;fwiw kernel is ~entirely separate affair from userland.
1847321;1536072797;trinque;except that the product of the build isn't bootable without one, but build takes the kernel config as a parameter, so it can indeed be entirely separate
1847322;1536072800;mircea_popescu;yes, but... "here's one for amd with raid so and so and fg no external ssd" "here's one for the vibrating bulled you gotta wear per mp orders" "here's one for..." we'll catch our ears.
1847323;1536072821;asciilifeform;trinque: specifically i mean that kernel is built ~for the iron~ rather than 'for the userland'
1847324;1536072837;trinque;indeed
1847325;1536072839;*;trinque bbl
1847326;1536072839;asciilifeform;so if you have a working kernel for a particular iron, you can use it with cuntoo, regardless of what shape cuntoo takes.
1847327;1536072846;mircea_popescu;~regardless
1847328;1536072929;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the 'iron babel' of x86 means that there is not and never has been such a thing as 'general purpose kernel'. there exist of course the fraudulent imitations, of shituntu etc. where they roll in 500MB of ??? 'all possible modules' , but it is beneath contempt
1847329;1536072950;mircea_popescu;myeah
1847330;1536073057;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-04#1847272 << this is correct, there's a lengthy list of 'optionals' , and not only in iptables, but for just about errything
1847331;1536073057;a111;Logged on 2018-09-04 14:33 trinque: more like "if you want to filter by bandwidth throughput instead of source/dest IP, gotta add new module"
1847332;1536073181;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-04#1847273 << at the time i built the 1st kernel for these particular iron, i was not using (believe or not) iptables, was quite disappointed with the 'whack-a-mole' approach to bandwidth conservation
1847333;1536073181;a111;Logged on 2018-09-04 14:34 mircea_popescu: well this promises to be a serio0us problem that can't be winged, but will require some thought ; in part because i don't directly see the difference ; and in part because i don't really think a machine without a functioning way to limit access to it is actually seaworthy.
1847334;1536073256;asciilifeform;i ended up going back to it, largely to use the aws-ban script
1847335;1536073257;diana_coman;asciilifeform, what did you use then? I'm not a huge fan of iptables in any way and this have-to-recompile-kernel doesn't help but I don't know of anything else that is better
1847336;1536073278;mircea_popescu;or at least workable.
1847337;1536073292;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i used nothing at all. given as bandwidth hogs dun seem to ever have any trouble coming up with ~infinite new ip proxies.
1847338;1536073370;diana_coman;the fact that some still do doesn't really = they have no trouble
1847339;1536073402;asciilifeform;diana_coman: collectively.
1847340;1536073474;asciilifeform;at one time asciilifeform burned 20-40min erry day manually banning . then got tired of this and went to properly optimize the phuctor db so that it doesn't give a damn re load, up to line speed.
1847341;1536073501;asciilifeform;recently finished, and rolled out.
1847342;1536073586;mircea_popescu;ie, "the problem with iptables is that as defined can not exist" ?
1847343;1536073602;asciilifeform;i won't go as far as 'iptables is addictively useless' but: nearly
1847344;1536073610;asciilifeform;it is a fly swatter.
1847345;1536073622;asciilifeform;fly swatter is not a viable method of serious pest control.
1847346;1536073629;mircea_popescu;this is such a tempting notion to invest...
1847347;1536073672;mircea_popescu;diana_coman can i get you behind this "iptables are for amateurs" line ?
1847348;1536073701;asciilifeform;i do know that many people's pest control setups rely on iptables, and so all new pizarro customers will get it by default. but imho it is a bitter pill.
1847349;1536073710;diana_coman;I am very, very tempted but precisely for this reason still trying to make sure I'm not just preferring the easy way out here
1847350;1536073743;mircea_popescu;diana_coman thinking logically : either this is a problem or it isn't. if it is a problem, then it should be handled upstream not by server.
1847351;1536073760;mircea_popescu;i suspect "iptables" is like "php implementation of ftp" : most people don't have their own isp.
1847352;1536073771;mircea_popescu;this is a sorry reason to have things.
1847353;1536073785;diana_coman;that much I can see, yes
1847354;1536073792;mircea_popescu;i misspoke. i meant "this is a sorry reason to write code."
1847355;1536073795;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: another important fact to remember : ip rules inevitably slow traffic.
1847356;1536073807;asciilifeform;there is no way around this.
1847357;1536073823;mircea_popescu;code written to circumvent administrative failure is possibily the source of wank. 20yo who "fought idiot vice-principal" with code rathere than club.
1847358;1536073841;mircea_popescu;if the wrong "rules" of the administrative office get in the way, the only acceptable solutionb is to fucking burn it down.
1847359;1536073920;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the rate this is going, i guess nsa will soon be in the business of producing flood-fighters ; considering what the "professional" crapola out there costs...
1847360;1536073924;mircea_popescu;this can turn out to be quite lucrative.
1847361;1536073947;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: serious floods are a problem not at the level of our rack, but upstream
1847362;1536073955;asciilifeform;( iirc mircea_popescu knew this long ago )
1847363;1536073974;asciilifeform;and moreover, they are a problem with the basic design of (for the most part) tcp.
1847364;1536073978;mircea_popescu;there's nothing saying pizarro isn't building its own dc.
1847365;1536074001;diana_coman;if I understand correctly asciilifeform's solution is essentially not as much kill the pest as make the whole thing pest-resilient
1847366;1536074006;asciilifeform;hey, not only dc, but asciilifeform actively at work on... own net fabric
1847367;1536074013;asciilifeform;but this won't be born tomorrow.
1847368;1536074024;asciilifeform;diana_coman: correct.
1847369;1536074025;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you understand, item by cisco/friends not amounting to a rockchip plant sells to usg.tards for 100k sorta money.
1847370;1536074047;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i know this, had the misfortune of buying'em, plugging in, fiddling.
1847371;1536074060;mircea_popescu;entirely worthless junk it is, too.
1847372;1536074068;asciilifeform;largely yes
1847373;1536074090;asciilifeform;( 'industrial' telco gear is pretty much 'bsd box with array of GB nics soldered in' + some shitware )
1847374;1536074103;mircea_popescu;yup
1847375;1536074104;asciilifeform;some of the fancier units have fpga for filtrations
1847376;1536074121;asciilifeform;but there is no way around the 'lookup table entries cost time & space' thing
1847377;1536074149;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform seriously, since we're apparently not selling the rockchip plant to pizarro : how about you build it and make it a "cyberflood master 9000" ?
1847378;1536074181;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: let's expand on this. what specific functionality would you want in such a device ?
1847379;1536074208;mircea_popescu;plugs directly into datacenter's colocation, filters out "bad" traffic.
1847380;1536074223;asciilifeform;possibly i did not clearly explain the problem with iptables then ?
1847381;1536074239;mircea_popescu;possibly i didn't make it plain enough that SUCH AN ITEM ALREADY IS PLUGGED IN THERE ?
1847382;1536074241;asciilifeform;it's an algorithmic problem ( i.e. fundamental ), rather than implementation.
1847383;1536074245;mircea_popescu;just make a better one.
1847384;1536074266;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: for all i know, they have a microshit antivirus also plugged in. should we then also attempt 'better one' of these as well ?
1847385;1536074268;mircea_popescu;since you're not using any hot glue guns, the task is suprisingly easy.
1847386;1536074271;asciilifeform;whole approach is braindamaged imho
1847387;1536074287;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if "av" sold for six figures. it doesn't.
1847388;1536074303;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774656 << thread
1847389;1536074303;a111;Logged on 2018-01-23 06:28 mircea_popescu: do you understand the crystal ball problem ?
1847390;1536074306;mircea_popescu;this has the essential veblen good blessing, being a hardware box.
1847391;1536074324;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-04#1847347 -> for amateurs and incompetent dc-s it seems, yes
1847392;1536074324;a111;Logged on 2018-09-04 15:07 mircea_popescu: diana_coman can i get you behind this "iptables are for amateurs" line ?
1847393;1536074327;mircea_popescu;i got news for you, alfie! http://trilema.com/2018/how-things-have-changed/
1847394;1536074331;asciilifeform;the buyer's entire objective is to scratch a usg-kowtow itch by blowing those six figs on 'best practice' witch repellent.
1847395;1536074335;mircea_popescu;republic is rapidly becoming chief witch.
1847396;1536074364;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: so we're talking , approx, 'juniper but w/out the ftmeade magic key' ?
1847397;1536074382;mircea_popescu;and without the hotglue gb nics and without the derpy fpga "we dunno how to use things".
1847398;1536074388;mircea_popescu;juniper w/o the carload of monkeys.
1847399;1536074402;asciilifeform;unless i misunderstand somewhere, this needs ic fab.
1847400;1536074407;mircea_popescu;(for the newly born : carload of moneys "know tricks". right.)
1847401;1536074413;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what for ?
1847402;1536074429;asciilifeform;for nic PHY that doesn't answer to washington magicpacket.
1847403;1536074440;mircea_popescu;neveryoumind that part.
1847404;1536074453;asciilifeform;if you dun have this, you build a juniper whether wanted to or not.
1847405;1536074468;mircea_popescu;BUT A BETTER ONE.
1847406;1536074476;asciilifeform;better how ??
1847407;1536074486;mircea_popescu;you keep thinking in these absolute terms. sometimes relative terms are important.
1847408;1536074498;mircea_popescu;better in that it will expose pantsuit packets to us, for instance.
1847409;1536074503;trinque;better in that it liberates their cash into your hand so you can goto 10
1847410;1536074514;asciilifeform;for one thing, if you can't fab ic, you inevitably 'hot glue konsoomer GB nics'
1847411;1536074517;mircea_popescu;better in that also. better in the sense that it'll use less wattage to do the same ~nothing.
1847412;1536074529;asciilifeform;moar wattage, because will need 1 nic per jack.
1847413;1536074538;mircea_popescu;trinque can you believe these people ?!
1847414;1536074556;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform why would you not want to do this ?! it's beyond comprehension.
1847415;1536074579;asciilifeform;i'd luvv to do it. but to ~actually~ do it, as opposed to junkyard wars ersatz that will inevitably suck.
1847416;1536074589;mircea_popescu;...
1847417;1536074604;mircea_popescu;most battles are won by sucking less!
1847418;1536074607;asciilifeform;open one of those junipers, there's a vlsi turd that actually does the routing.
1847419;1536074615;asciilifeform;( at least in the recent ones )
1847420;1536074700;trinque;"can't steal and sell sov tanks because to hell with the communists" to my ears
1847421;1536074726;asciilifeform;trinque: am i thick, and mircea_popescu right ? how do i bake a 'sucks less than juniper' while being stuck with off-the-shelf nic ic ?
1847422;1536074728;mircea_popescu;more's like "cant steal ~half the gold from this bank until someone comes with a credible plan to also steal the bricks from the walls"
1847423;1536074788;trinque;asciilifeform: I think your mind is set on correctness, which blocks a pragmatic "better" which is only defined by delta with competition
1847424;1536074812;mircea_popescu;i dunno how he's supposed to be from odessa, don't got not a gypsy bone in his body.
1847425;1536074866;*;diana_coman can see both positions really
1847426;1536074879;asciilifeform;trinque: 'competition' box routes 1G/s from 48 jacks, daisy-chains with 10GB/s snakes, compiles ip filter rules into 1mil+ gate fpga fabric. how do i bake a sucks-less without large fpga ? ( we dun have large fpga, tho we do have working tiny ones )
1847427;1536074895;diana_coman;from a tech point of view the trouble with "better by delta" is that you are then stuck dealing with the remaining shit anyway; but sometimes it's still the way to go
1847428;1536074964;asciilifeform;now what i ~have~ wanted to bake, for years nao, is a box with ~2~ jacks, that tests rsa sigs on specially-defined packets at line speed, and drops all the ones that dun pass. this is imho the Right Thing, for entirely curing the disease in question.
1847429;1536074980;asciilifeform;but this already was formalized by mircea_popescu as gossipd variant.
1847430;1536075010;asciilifeform;the 'allow allcomers but magically filter badness' juniper thing, imho is dead end.
1847431;1536075018;mircea_popescu;let me make this perfectly actionable for you.
1847432;1536075024;*;asciilifeform listens
1847433;1536075091;mircea_popescu;so, you're paying good money to have BingoBoingo on the ground there ; what "on the ground means" is that he can go to dc and say "hey guise, will you test this box we make ? no charge". IF they agree, and IF you have made the tmsruniper, and IF indeed they come out of it thinking they're better off with that, THEN you can sell it for credit, and not need to do more wires. yes ?
1847434;1536075121;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, BingoBoingo you ARE making cozy with dc tech people rite ? taking them out to smoke & crimping them to pot or w/e it is they do socially there ?
1847435;1536075130;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what means 'test' here ? they'll put customer traffic through it instead of juniper ?
1847436;1536075136;mircea_popescu;precisely.
1847437;1536075147;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: let's do a 0cost experiment, why dontcha float the idea to the dc people, see reaction.
1847438;1536075157;mircea_popescu;dude. you don't have the box.
1847439;1536075210;asciilifeform;i admit i dun grasp, why, having already fronted 500k to usg.juniper, they would entertain a 'try my homemade router plz'
1847440;1536075230;mircea_popescu;i have not yet encountered a dc which didn't have a waffle list composed mostly of junishits.
1847441;1536075237;asciilifeform;what's a waffle list
1847442;1536075244;mircea_popescu;waffle list here being "well... do we need it ? maybe we need it ? let's get it ? wait a while ? hmm ?"
1847443;1536075265;mircea_popescu;like a social media "wish list", but for people who actually have some money.
1847444;1536075280;asciilifeform;a
1847445;1536075320;trinque;gotta demo to sell these things, and gotta know what causes them pain to know what to demo
1847446;1536075335;asciilifeform;i must repeat, that i'd be lying if i claimed that i knew how to build a box that throws packets at even 1/5th the rate of the cheapest juniper, out of off-the-shelf components.
1847447;1536075338;mircea_popescu;often you can sorta guess.
1847448;1536075349;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform really ? how come ?
1847449;1536075365;asciilifeform;cuz konsoomer off-the-shelf ic dun do it.
1847450;1536075366;mircea_popescu;seems to me eminently beatable.
1847451;1536075371;trinque;(and is BingoBoingostan buying top shelf?)
1847452;1536075379;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform 100% they also BUY the gear.
1847453;1536075400;mircea_popescu;i dunno what the fuck you think juniper is ; but as a factual matter juniper is the result of exactly this conversation among dumber people ~15 years ago.
1847454;1536075417;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ao4dQEtE6oc/VQ6JeUf9pkI/AAAAAAAADVk/hrSWedKzCG0/s1600/blog1_qfx10k_3.jpeg
1847455;1536075421;mircea_popescu;and no, they don't own a special-nic-foundry.
1847456;1536075427;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i can't blogspot.
1847457;1536075430;asciilifeform;1s
1847458;1536075449;mircea_popescu;a ty
1847459;1536075455;mircea_popescu;lobbes archiver got it for me./
1847460;1536075471;asciilifeform;they dun ~own~ fab, of course, just as google doesn't. they contract the fab.
1847461;1536075485;asciilifeform;like e.g. hewlett-packard, (the late) sun micro, most folx.
1847462;1536075495;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so ? i see your junkl and raise you our junk : http://nosuchlabs.com/fg/fg_small.jpg
1847463;1536075503;asciilifeform;there are no asics in fg..
1847464;1536075511;asciilifeform;cuz we can't afford to bake'em yet.
1847465;1536075514;mircea_popescu;looking at the pics reddit can't tell the difference.
1847466;1536075527;mircea_popescu;we have TWO metallic squares ; and ours have holes in them!
1847467;1536075535;asciilifeform;i suspect even reddit can use a clock, tell diff b/w 10G/s router and 1M/s
1847468;1536075540;asciilifeform;lol
1847469;1536075558;mircea_popescu;so it's your expert oppinion you can't actually make a better one ?
1847470;1536075568;asciilifeform;not with the currently available means, no
1847471;1536075578;asciilifeform;it'd cost a couplea mil (orcbux)
1847472;1536075578;mircea_popescu;wtf does that mean ?
1847473;1536075604;mircea_popescu;if i've learned anything about you over the years is that you're absolutely never right as to what anything costs.
1847474;1536075631;asciilifeform;would need 1) fab capability 2) substantial time, unless mircea_popescu has a coupla qualified pairs of hands up his sleeve to assist
1847475;1536075641;mircea_popescu;why 2 ?
1847476;1536075655;asciilifeform;cuz it's a complicated mechanism.
1847477;1536075659;mircea_popescu;why ?
1847478;1536075722;asciilifeform;thing needs to eat packets, parse fields, sort'em into tables, parallelize lookups ( and below all of this, do such things as driving the sdram , the nic PHYs , shuttle data b/w processors )
1847479;1536075735;mircea_popescu;this doesn't sound like more than a few hundred adalines.
1847480;1536075768;asciilifeform;if you want 'modern' (Gb/s+) throughputs, it aint 'ada lines', but transistors. coupla mil of'em.
1847481;1536075787;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-04#1847373 << i got a bsd box right here btw ; cost me nothing, took in as junk.
1847482;1536075787;a111;Logged on 2018-09-04 15:14 asciilifeform: ( 'industrial' telco gear is pretty much 'bsd box with array of GB nics soldered in' + some shitware )
1847483;1536075810;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: entirely so, but these won't http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-04#1847426
1847484;1536075810;a111;Logged on 2018-09-04 15:27 asciilifeform: trinque: 'competition' box routes 1G/s from 48 jacks, daisy-chains with 10GB/s snakes, compiles ip filter rules into 1mil+ gate fpga fabric. how do i bake a sucks-less without large fpga ? ( we dun have large fpga, tho we do have working tiny ones )
1847485;1536075846;mircea_popescu;so work with tiny ones.
1847486;1536075882;asciilifeform;the ice40 tops out at 250MHz (and drops rapidly when you fill it up, from switch fabric propagation delay)
1847487;1536075900;mircea_popescu;but you can have 1k of these lined up.
1847488;1536075904;asciilifeform;it is also pretty cramped sizewise (recall, i was not able to fit a single 4kbit adder into it)
1847489;1536075927;asciilifeform;1k of these will eat 5kWatt.
1847490;1536075932;mircea_popescu;sooo ?
1847491;1536075933;asciilifeform;and occupy entire cabinet.
1847492;1536075940;mircea_popescu;that was the idea yes, acabinet.
1847493;1536075946;asciilifeform;so we want to make and sell a cray-1 ?
1847494;1536075974;mircea_popescu;actually, i was thinking, the tiny ices you use could be an intermediate step -- think alf, instead of fabric-of-transistors, fabric-of-ice
1847495;1536076002;asciilifeform;well yes, i've wanted 1 for ages. but if you add up the cost of a dozen of these, you could instead get equiv fabbed into single die.
1847496;1536076007;mircea_popescu;if it can process 100Gp/s rather than juniper's mahahahaybe 10Gp, nobody cares it eats a kw.
1847497;1536076069;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well, part of the reason i've been working on getting some chinese ppls is that i entirely don';t believe single die fabbing is as expensive today as you think.
1847498;1536076098;mircea_popescu;however, before you make dies you gotta know what you put in ; and i know of no other way to find out.
1847499;1536076107;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is almost certainly possible to razor a zero or even two, from the 'ratecard', if you can make friends in cn (or even tw, or kr)
1847500;1536076140;mircea_popescu;or three.
1847501;1536076155;asciilifeform;esp. if you're biznis genius and can talk'em into 'you get % of the winnings' in exch for discounts etc
1847502;1536076174;asciilifeform;the miner asic derps, somehow pulled this off
1847503;1536076212;asciilifeform;however i suspect that 'alt-juniper' would be small change, if we had fab friends, oughta go straight to general-purpose washington-free comp.
1847504;1536076230;asciilifeform;simpler, oddly enuff, engineering problem, also.
1847505;1536076254;asciilifeform;!#s mips.v
1847506;1536076254;a111;3 results for "mips.v", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=mips.v
1847507;1536076257;asciilifeform;^ subj
1847508;1536076260;mircea_popescu;absolutely not.
1847509;1536076279;asciilifeform;~100 ln of verilog.
1847510;1536076472;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-04#1847498 << iirc i answered this in the past, but this thread makes it even moar obvious what the pill is : make a hypertrophied ice40 (i.e. homogeneous lattice of gates.) with these, can bake alt-juniper, alt-pc, crypto, pretty much anyffing you like.
1847511;1536076472;a111;Logged on 2018-09-04 15:48 mircea_popescu: however, before you make dies you gotta know what you put in ; and i know of no other way to find out.
1847512;1536076480;asciilifeform;and can chain'em into 'cray' at will.
1847513;1536076512;asciilifeform;( http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-17#1814886 and elsewhere )
1847514;1536076512;a111;Logged on 2018-05-17 18:54 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if we had any fab capacity to speak of, these'd be the priority items : 1) large homogeneous fpga 2) otp roms 3) 1+2
1847515;1536076527;mircea_popescu;mno, because drops rapidly when you fill it up
1847516;1536076569;asciilifeform;not mega-problem if you have large fabric, leaves lotsa room for optimal connection
1847517;1536076593;asciilifeform;it's an egregious problem in cramped fpga.
1847518;1536076615;mircea_popescu;from experience large items are cramped.
1847519;1536076621;mircea_popescu;that's why town is tight and village loose.
1847520;1536076632;asciilifeform;not if they're 5cents and you can matrix'em together.
1847521;1536076644;asciilifeform;usg.fpga is expensive because 'intellectual property' derpitude.
1847522;1536076661;mircea_popescu;all these lofty considerations aside...
1847523;1536076663;asciilifeform;imho 'sane fpga' is closest thing to 'philosopher's stone' accessible with current tech.
1847524;1536076679;mircea_popescu;are you making the alt juniper or arent you ?
1847525;1536076715;asciilifeform;if problem is defined in such a way that i can honestly say that i have from what to make it, and can be made to work to spec -- will make. otherwise not.
1847526;1536076734;mircea_popescu;alrite.
1847527;1536076745;asciilifeform;'are you launching capsule into orbit or not' 'plox to 1st say, where is orbit, how big capsule, tovarisch stalin'
1847528;1536076766;asciilifeform;'and do we have rockets or only slingshots'
1847529;1536076772;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-04#1847373
1847530;1536076772;a111;Logged on 2018-09-04 15:14 asciilifeform: ( 'industrial' telco gear is pretty much 'bsd box with array of GB nics soldered in' + some shitware )
1847531;1536076778;mircea_popescu;in your own words!
1847532;1536076810;asciilifeform;rright, but in current (vs 20y ago) dc , they also incl. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-04#1847454 .
1847533;1536076810;a111;Logged on 2018-09-04 15:36 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ao4dQEtE6oc/VQ6JeUf9pkI/AAAAAAAADVk/hrSWedKzCG0/s1600/blog1_qfx10k_3.jpeg
1847534;1536076835;mircea_popescu;what can i tell you.
1847535;1536076870;asciilifeform;i dun disagree with mircea_popescu one bit, in re 'juniper/cisco Must Die'. but their death cannot be made from shoe string and bubble gum.
1847536;1536076904;mircea_popescu;i suppose one possible conclusion would be that "yes, indeed http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-04#1847453 ; but the time to do that was PRECISELY 15 years ago ; having smarter people doesn't compensate for being late, here as everywhere else".
1847537;1536076904;a111;Logged on 2018-09-04 15:36 mircea_popescu: i dunno what the fuck you think juniper is ; but as a factual matter juniper is the result of exactly this conversation among dumber people ~15 years ago.
1847538;1536076912;asciilifeform;asciilifeform's research into finessing this problem, and 'yes bubble gum', so far reduces to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-04#1847428 hypothesis
1847539;1536076912;a111;Logged on 2018-09-04 15:29 asciilifeform: now what i ~have~ wanted to bake, for years nao, is a box with ~2~ jacks, that tests rsa sigs on specially-defined packets at line speed, and drops all the ones that dun pass. this is imho the Right Thing, for entirely curing the disease in question.
1847540;1536076934;mircea_popescu;which is not coincidentally how everything works, bitcoin, the republic, the lordship, etcetera.
1847541;1536076946;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: arguably. at one time asic was too costly even for the telcos to deploy en masse, and it was possible to do without. sorta like in mining.
1847542;1536077063;asciilifeform;the box that entirely displaces the traditional ip routing system, and instead worx on signed packets, at GB/s, ~can~ , i suspect, be made with off-the-shelf iron. but it is a different pill, i cannot argue that it directly replaces juniperism.
1847543;1536077121;mircea_popescu;that hangs on various radio things.
1847544;1536077130;asciilifeform;radio is orthogonal.
1847545;1536077140;asciilifeform;the basic mechanics are same, whether carrier is radio, copper, or optics.
1847546;1536077145;mircea_popescu;technologically orthogonal ; but business requsite.
1847547;1536077164;asciilifeform;can carry over conventional fibers, or even telephone modem.
1847548;1536077196;asciilifeform;i daren't to presume to know whether biznis-requisite, that's a 100% mircea_popescu-grade puzzler.
1847549;1536077239;mircea_popescu;you don't really gain so much by having your special packets encapsulated in tcp
1847550;1536077244;mircea_popescu;and you're not in a position to lay cable just yet
1847551;1536077245;mircea_popescu;so...
1847552;1536077323;asciilifeform;even carrying in ordinary ip net, you gain the fact of '9000+' nodes that speak only to each other, and ddos of '9000' nodes, even if somehow all of'em were known to enemy, is impractical.
1847553;1536077331;asciilifeform;sorta how btc p2p net existingly worx.
1847554;1536077407;asciilifeform;observe that trb in fact worx pretty well, even though mircea_popescu did not lay cable.
1847555;1536077479;asciilifeform;this being said, eventual getting off usg.net is a godly thing, and inescapable . but it aint a desperate pre-req to routing sanity, imho.
1847556;1536077509;mircea_popescu;you know, the 2nd thing i know from watching you is that this conversation suddenly spinning in circles pretty well predicts you knew you were wrong re other call.
1847557;1536077512;asciilifeform;usg.tor was precisely the 'faux-phuctor' they built to distract thinking folx from the very idea.
1847558;1536077568;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is always possible that i am wrong about some ( who knows, all ) piece. sorta why it is good to have dozen d00dz, vs 1 or 2, with hands growing from correct place
1847559;1536077612;mircea_popescu;well yes, but the question before you is, "have i actually sat down, thought this through, and it dun work" or is it a case of "my first impulse was so and so and now i'm stuck with it like any 9 yo" ?
1847560;1536077685;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i sat down and worked through it on several occasions, most recently during gossipd thread; prior to that, when i was in slave galley and tore own hair out with juniperism; and prior...
1847561;1536077700;mircea_popescu;alright, well.
1847562;1536077754;asciilifeform;and recall, at one time asciilifeform burned 6mo+ to try and bring up realtek GB nic from 'raw iron', in the end did not even succeed in this
1847563;1536077773;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1847564;1536077790;asciilifeform;possible that my hands do not grow from correct place, or possible that if mircea_popescu had chinese gurl, she could steal the missing datashit..
1847565;1536077798;mircea_popescu;possibly!
1847566;1536077827;mircea_popescu;at least we managed to come to a narrative that stands to cursory examination.
1847567;1536077863;mircea_popescu;"yes it's true telco gear is mostly openbsd box with nics glued on ; but it's also true that is mostly old ; replacing it, when it happens, is mostly with nobusisms baked by the chinese to order, and it's a tough racket."
1847568;1536077876;asciilifeform;afaik this is correct sum.
1847569;1536078024;mircea_popescu;whether there is a hole there or isn't is an iffier problem. i am not overconcerned with it ; understand that wheever, in the großer generalstab or corporate boardroom, the story's always the same : "and we should send brigadier-general X to reduce the bulge" "it can't be fucking done, are you out of your mind ?!"
1847570;1536078067;mircea_popescu;on one hand people shouldn't be sent to do things that can't be done ; on the other hand somethings gotta can be done or else we're all sunk eventually.
1847571;1536078086;asciilifeform;rright. ideally you want to know what's possible before reaching the 'das war ein befehl!111111' stage
1847572;1536078135;mircea_popescu;rather.
1847573;1536078136;asciilifeform;some things i presently know how to do without vlsi. one of them was trng, and did.
1847574;1536078163;asciilifeform;if i knew how to do errything without vlsi, that can be done with, i'd be having tea with mircea_popescu in the palace on neighbouring hill, perhaps.
1847575;1536078239;asciilifeform;( as it is, i spent good % of weekend in crapple store, and other % -- fixing fucking washing machine with own hands )
1847576;1536078260;BingoBoingo; <mircea_popescu> speaking of which, BingoBoingo you ARE making cozy with dc tech people rite ? taking them out to smoke & crimping them to pot or w/e it is they do socially there ? << Fairly friendly with them now that Rodrigo (Fellow who decided to be the point man in the February affair, ben_vulpes met) is gone.
1847577;1536078377;mircea_popescu;cool.
1847578;1536078401;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know i suspect one of the washing machines could do with fixing...
1847579;1536078446;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it was lulzy, Official repair d00d threw up hands, 'can't source part'
1847580;1536078452;asciilifeform;i could tell 9000 stories like this, they all end same
1847581;1536078474;asciilifeform;asciilifeform goes and conujures up the 'unobtainium'
1847582;1536078480;asciilifeform;*conjures
1847583;1536078510;mircea_popescu;ah
1847584;1536078525;mircea_popescu;yeah, usg supply lines going to shit at a seemingly exponential rate
1847585;1536078544;mircea_popescu;"we have this website, can order anything" "you mean besides plastic cup holders ?" "WHO WOULD WANT THAT!!!"
1847586;1536078550;mircea_popescu;"you know... the soviets had a website like that."
1847587;1536078554;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: current usg is quite eager to have konsoomer dispose of old, repairable [cars, washers, etc] in favour of chinesium
1847588;1536078563;mircea_popescu;certainly.
1847589;1536078580;mircea_popescu;and then when it starts blinking, konsoomer will be in the exact 1989 position.
1847590;1536078590;mircea_popescu;"i know... the way to win is to be as vulnerable as possible!"
1847591;1536078603;mircea_popescu;"let's do new orleans continent-wide, that worked so well for us!"
1847592;1536078613;asciilifeform;folx like asciilifeform , only have any pocket money left , because they're willing to lay out the grease rag and spend whole day+ inside gears, belts
1847593;1536078657;asciilifeform;alternative is 'oops, sucks to be you, you bought 2k machine , what do you mean you expect more than 6months out of it'
1847594;1536078666;asciilifeform;'terrorist.'
1847595;1536078685;asciilifeform;'here, buy a 3k one on installment, it'll last 9 months, we promise'
1847596;1536078742;asciilifeform;iirc ben_vulpes , trinque , have old autos, know exactly what this story is about.
1847597;1536078805;*;asciilifeform dreams of living in a thing where he could have pit, crane...
1847598;1536078869;BingoBoingo;* asciilifeform dreams of living in a thing where he could have pit, crane... << Paraguay!
1847599;1536078900;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i thought para-- was mule country
1847600;1536078964;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It is mule and dump country. They take old Jap cars and flip the steering to the other side.
1847601;1536079020;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: prolly a far cry from the master smiths of havana, who can fit toyota engine block into lada, with moskvich transmission
1847602;1536079067;BingoBoingo;Likely, they actually import used cars there (Rest of Mercosur only imports new)
1847603;1536079108;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: orcistans starved for imports , sometimes have astonishing masters of junkyard wars
1847604;1536079128;mircea_popescu;i have a pile of old autos, they're a joy.
1847605;1536079164;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: key element, your orcistan has not only old autos but master smiths.
1847606;1536079176;mircea_popescu;oh, i wouldn't trust the locals to smith inside it.
1847607;1536079178;asciilifeform;if only had old autos, would be spending time like ben_vulpes & asciilifeform .
1847608;1536079197;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: who do you have doing it, then
1847609;1536079198;mircea_popescu;but take bartholomew, the early 2000s bmw. all it needs is maintenance.
1847610;1536079215;asciilifeform;and when needs new rack&pinion, who does it
1847611;1536079229;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform will replace engine with other car's engine at some point.
1847612;1536079255;mircea_popescu;had transmission thusly replaced, for instance.
1847613;1536079274;mircea_popescu;but it's way the fuck better to maintain this car than to try and what, 20k for last year's kia ? noty.
1847614;1536079279;asciilifeform;it's how it's done, yes
1847615;1536079280;asciilifeform;and noshit.
1847616;1536079282;mircea_popescu;right.
1847617;1536079291;mircea_popescu;while supplies last.
1847618;1536079318;asciilifeform;the seekret is that supplies last, theoretically, for long time, there are folx repairing t34 and mig21 today.
1847619;1536079323;asciilifeform;but, costs.
1847620;1536079347;asciilifeform;( recall the mig scrapyard in timis ? )
1847621;1536079353;mircea_popescu;certainly.
1847622;1536079733;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-04#1847282 << somehow i missed this line on 1st pass through log. yes, that's exactly it.
1847623;1536079733;a111;Logged on 2018-09-04 14:44 mircea_popescu: but yes, evidently the (undiagnosed ; are these people morons ?!) problem is that "anything could be a firewall rule", ie, this is a place where the scripting turns upon the whole machine state. which makes me suspoect there's a more fundamental error at work somewhere (possibly the very attempt to build a pantsuit net, allcomers-based, possibly something else), but until we get a fix on that...
1847624;1536079747;asciilifeform;the allcomers-net is fundamentally bottomless hole.
1847625;1536079748;mircea_popescu;right.
1847626;1536079795;mircea_popescu;scripting fundamentally IS NOT THAT ; moving the steer will result in changes of direction, but will NOT result in changes of tapestry.
1847627;1536079821;mircea_popescu;an attempt to "make tapestry scriptable also" is the sure sign that women-in-general are now involved in that concern.
1847628;1536079843;asciilifeform;this kind of thing shows up whenever a broken basis is picked .
1847629;1536079853;asciilifeform;turns into infinite bubblegum plugs.
1847630;1536079934;asciilifeform;( recall the dma thread, for instance. 9000+ hacks around the retardation of von neumann box. )
1847631;1536079981;ave1;trinque, re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-03#1847167, yes turned out the git that cuntoo uses did not support https and my ufw settings did not allow an outgoing git port number. Now it fails it a bit further along with dependencies on gnupg-2.2, but I think this was a known breakage...
1847632;1536079981;a111;Logged on 2018-09-03 22:37 trinque: ave1: couldn't reproduce your errors. all I had to do to re-run the cuntoo build was to fix the portage snapshot var.
1847633;1536079991;asciilifeform;ohai ave1
1847634;1536080001;deedbot;http://bingology.net/2018/09/04/live-from-rockchip-with-mp-wp/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog - Live From RockChip! With MP-WP!
1847635;1536080004;ave1;hi asciilifeform
1847636;1536080012;trinque;no, not known. the thing runs start to finish on my end.
1847637;1536080024;asciilifeform;ave1: didja ever get a arm32 gnat built ? turns out, 'uboot' needs one, to build
1847638;1536080053;trinque;ave1: however, when I grunt out this genesis vpatch, git dependency evaporates.
1847639;1536080059;asciilifeform;( arm8 apparently includes a 32bit 'M0' coprocessor, 'for power manager' )
1847640;1536080067;trinque;layman (portage overlay manager) is pulling that in
1847641;1536080092;ave1;trinque: I get the error when this line is run: sudo chroot . emerge eudev lilo genkernel gentoo-sources app-crypt/gnupg parted sudo
1847642;1536080209;ave1;asciilifeform: I did not build an arm32 version yet (but should be easier that aarch64), it does have something with different abi that have to be named. I will check this week
1847643;1536080236;asciilifeform;ave1: afaik adacore already distributed a 32bit one, might want to look to see what it was made of
1847644;1536080247;asciilifeform;i'd like to never again use theirs, tho, but only ave1's builders
1847645;1536080278;asciilifeform;( where ideally i can put in any arch supported by gcc backend, and get a that-flavoured gnat out )
1847646;1536080299;ave1;yes, support should be there (one of the most irratating problems I had was with the config.guess scripts not includig a particular system)
1847647;1536080324;asciilifeform;i did not expect to ever again need a 32bit arm gcc, but there it is.
1847648;1536080407;ave1;trinque: this is what I get on that emerge: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/MmnDr/?raw=true. P.S. l can wait for an updated version and try again, this is the first time since years that I tried gentoo again.
1847649;1536080425;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo nice!
1847650;1536080465;ave1;Also the first time that I tried to rebuild a kernel, first try needed 15G of harddisk space and created a 3G kernel (now down to 500mb, which compresses to about 12 or so, but still)
1847651;1536080487;asciilifeform;3G kernel ?!!!
1847652;1536080492;asciilifeform;( even microshit, has, what, 50MB one )
1847653;1536080504;trinque;ave1: I appreciate the testing, will put another version in your hands soon
1847654;1536080695;ave1;Yes, this is when you base the kernel off the ubuntu config (with all modules enabled) and then try to include all modules in the kernel.
1847655;1536080731;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: ty
1847656;1536080804;asciilifeform;congrats BingoBoingo !
1847657;1536080870;BingoBoingo;And thank you hanbot, the V Genesised MP-WP is very nice. Much improved dashboard and editors.
1847658;1536080931;asciilifeform;ave1: what exactly depends on gpg2?!
1847659;1536080941;trinque;I just said, layman.
1847660;1536080948;asciilifeform;aaa
1847661;1536080968;asciilifeform;ok there i see it.
1847662;1536083719;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/09/serbia-considering-land-swap-with-breakaway-kosovo/ << Qntra - Serbia Considering Land Swap With Breakaway Kosovo
1847663;1536084262;BingoBoingo;lobbes: What sort of memory footprint is mysql leaving on your rockchip?
1847664;1536084317;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo how do you measure this ? top ?
1847665;1536084361;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Yeah, I'm looking at top
1847666;1536084439;mircea_popescu;84m res 2791m virt on the box running trilema.
1847667;1536084493;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: pmap
1847668;1536084510;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hey, whatever mechanism he wants.
1847669;1536084559;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000107.html << for reference, recipe for graphic process mem usages
1847670;1536084581;asciilifeform;produces things like http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150701/private_dirty_593063f24445b86ead7ed066cec803fa2cbec79b.png .
1847671;1536084635;asciilifeform;( btw congrats to jurov & mod6 for bringing ml back to life ! )
1847672;1536084879;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2013-03-11#-86316 << in ancientola.
1847673;1536084879;a111;Logged on 2013-03-11 07:01 dub: there is thousands of retarded children with a handfull of hackers hiding behind them
1847674;1536085116;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2013-03-11#-86304 << still unsolved enigma, afaik..
1847675;1536085116;a111;Logged on 2013-03-11 07:03 mircea_popescu: dub how do you explain most cocksuckers can't use bitcoin ?
1847676;1536085127;mircea_popescu;ikr.
1847677;1536085498;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2013-03-11#-86221 << lol, prophecy
1847678;1536085498;a111;Logged on 2013-03-11 07:17 mircea_popescu: actually the plan was to have tcp/ip reimpremented over pigeons
1847679;1536085545;mircea_popescu;lotta these!
1847680;1536085559;asciilifeform;lotsa good lulz from before asciilifeform tuned in. ( sometimes i go back an' read these, but most of it dun make sense except to expert archaeologist, which i am not )
1847681;1536085590;mircea_popescu;feel free to ask
1847682;1536085628;asciilifeform;who , for instance , was smickles. ( i formed impression that he was an active fella, but do not know with what )
1847683;1536085673;asciilifeform;( seems to have been a trader ? )
1847684;1536085750;mircea_popescu;smickles was very active, bright and clear minded accountant guy.
1847685;1536085760;mircea_popescu;eventually wandered off into seculum.
1847686;1536085793;asciilifeform;there were a number of these, i think
1847687;1536085807;mircea_popescu;certainly.
1847688;1536085815;asciilifeform;( cashed out megatonne of btc into saeculobux, melted brain ? )
1847689;1536085835;mircea_popescu;i don't expect he ever had megatonne tbh.
1847690;1536085852;asciilifeform;but perhaps had enuff to contract kuru.
1847691;1536085881;mircea_popescu;in five years one'd think "oh, the people from 2018, bought millions' worth of btc, are now rich". to the people of 2018, bitcoin seems, somehow, "expensive". which is necessary -- if it didn't, price'd rise.
1847692;1536085891;mircea_popescu;similarly for people of 2013, you realise ? "it was expensive"
1847693;1536085900;asciilifeform;way i see it, there was this degenerative disease, 'i am rich nao!111, will go and buy cocaine yacht and opium-retire on it' , number of sufferers in log history
1847694;1536085944;asciilifeform;( i suspect they all ended up like esr, but naturally have no way to know )
1847695;1536085946;mircea_popescu;i still recall with amusement rassah's story about how he bought a bunch of coins without bf's permission out of their retirement fund, at 8!! and sold it all! at 13!!! RICH NAO FOREVER, because will pay off car.
1847696;1536085972;mircea_popescu;this made sense to people at the time.
1847697;1536085986;asciilifeform;fwiw it never made sense to asciilifeform
1847698;1536085998;mircea_popescu;paid off car!!1
1847699;1536086005;asciilifeform;why bother unraveling massive cpp hairball, for small change..
1847700;1536086017;asciilifeform;'pay off car' lol
1847701;1536086031;asciilifeform;even 'pay off house' is crumbs, for the sort of work these people (as i understand) were doing
1847702;1536086100;Mocky;I cpu mined bitcoin when it was under 10. I made hundreds of dollars
1847703;1536086102;asciilifeform;then again, who am i to laugh, i burned '13 on hand-built fpga miner. made grand total of 0.6 coin.
1847704;1536086115;mircea_popescu;you utterly misunderstand. all these wankers did 0 work, precise to 6 decimals.
1847705;1536086129;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i also '0 work' in the newtonian sense.
1847706;1536086142;asciilifeform;to as many decimal commas as one might ask.
1847707;1536086146;asciilifeform;at least, then.
1847708;1536086158;mircea_popescu;get out, rassah spent whole life writing social media crap. like that david gerard animated scarecrow thing.
1847709;1536086193;mircea_popescu;mpoe-pr without the mpoe, or hanbot.
1847710;1536086195;asciilifeform;!!reputation rassah
1847711;1536086197;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/a4CUU/?raw=true
1847712;1536086214;asciilifeform;^ loox pretty dead
1847713;1536086228;asciilifeform;'lost key'
1847714;1536086279;mircea_popescu;o look at that, "I helped run plenty of conferences. I do have an idea. The priority is to make sure you have a conference that runs well enough that people don't notice the problems, and that everyone who paid to attend it gets their money's worth. Who actually paid to make it happen is a bit lower on the priority."
1847715;1536086290;mircea_popescu;cazalla's comments meanwhile beleted, but lulzy reddit thread he links
1847716;1536086301;mircea_popescu;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2r0twz/josh_garza_must_not_be_allowed_to_speak_at_the/cnbuxyx/ specifically
1847717;1536086334;BingoBoingo;Ah, the good olde days
1847718;1536086366;mircea_popescu;word!
1847719;1536086389;mircea_popescu; ("theymos" "rassah" 8 3572807706 "Holds BTC for the forum.") << aaahahaha epic luzl.
1847720;1536086427;asciilifeform;when asciilifeform ran into 'btc komyoonity', ended up quickly setting bozo bit on all 'investmentisms' en masse. ( even included mircea_popescu & co, was not able to distinguish from the rest until hanbot wrote to me and asked to try demo & read the mpoe materials )
1847721;1536086476;mircea_popescu;now imagine if, instead of that, i'd have had her write "hey, we're thinking of one day making #trilema" as per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-04#1847437 0-cost-experiment logix.
1847722;1536086476;a111;Logged on 2018-09-04 15:32 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: let's do a 0cost experiment, why dontcha float the idea to the dc people, see reaction.
1847723;1536086481;asciilifeform;lol
1847724;1536086483;mircea_popescu;well ?
1847725;1536086485;mircea_popescu;YOU PROPOSED IT
1847726;1536086508;asciilifeform;faraday's 'what use is baby' eh.
1847727;1536086515;mircea_popescu;i guess so.
1847728;1536086577;mircea_popescu;!#s captains of industry
1847729;1536086578;a111;14 results for "captains of industry", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=captains%20of%20industry
1847730;1536086594;asciilifeform;mercaptans.
1847731;1536086595;mircea_popescu;^ this was a thing. "bitcoin jesus" was a thing. all sorta lulz lie buried in the everlog.
1847732;1536086665;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> mercaptans. << Ah, those sulphur smelling wenches with the cloaca and scales!
1847733;1536086815;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: to my eye, it all looked like exactly identical pyramidism, 'nobody's manufacturing anyffing, not chips, not prime ribs, not even porn flicks, all numbers games with each other's belly lint'
1847734;1536086855;asciilifeform;sorta why asciilifeform was convinced that btc would sink
1847735;1536087089;mircea_popescu;the problem with manufactury is that often the evaluation of cultural artefacts produced is very difficult.
1847736;1536087118;asciilifeform;( fwiw asciilifeform has today -- minus bbet -- all of the coin he had then, and if he had found the subj interesting from practical pov vs merely scientific, and bought with money, would likely have it still, asciilifeform is 100% immune to pretty much all of the diseases that cost the 'early adopters' their toys )
1847737;1536087158;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is quite troo
1847738;1536087265;asciilifeform;but in so far as i was able to see, in those days, the only physical product was smalltime dope peddlage
1847739;1536087316;asciilifeform;( and, i suppose, miners, which struck me as immediately pyramidal, 'if this were +ev, the vendor would keep'em, not sell' )
1847740;1536087498;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is false, incidentally. amir taaki famously had his 16 yo sister camho for coins.
1847741;1536087509;asciilifeform;i believe.
1847742;1536087515;asciilifeform;but then, did not know.
1847743;1536087540;mircea_popescu;anyway, there was a lot of metals dealing for coin back in the day.
1847744;1536087568;asciilifeform;i did see these. but barfed mightily when reaching out tentacle and thinking of trying, and then found that they cancel orders arbitrarily when price moves
1847745;1536087594;asciilifeform;the odor of cynical scamola was overpowering to my nose.
1847746;1536087787;mircea_popescu;yes well.
1847747;1536087862;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: does ro have that folk tale, where 'go left, lose your horse, go right, lose yer life,...' etc ?
1847748;1536087872;asciilifeform;that's what whole shebang looked like to asciilifeform .
1847749;1536087900;mircea_popescu;yes well... for a while it quite was.
1847750;1536087904;asciilifeform;'Налево пойдешь - коня потеряешь...'
1847751;1536088500;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you will prolly laugh, but asciilifeform ~so~ despised the canaille , that could not bring himself to ~buy~ coin, that's why ended up fidding with handmade miners etc
1847752;1536088505;asciilifeform;and still despises.
1847753;1536088518;asciilifeform;*fiddling
1847754;1536088541;mircea_popescu;i confess it's a strange way to go about things.
1847755;1536088549;asciilifeform;a moar malodorous set of derps than the 'mainstream' 'btc komyoonity', prolly to this day does not exist.
1847756;1536088568;mircea_popescu;sure does. walk into any us conference of professionals
1847757;1536088574;asciilifeform;same people neh
1847758;1536088581;mircea_popescu;be it judges, politicians, realtors or the community of poets from wisconsin
1847759;1536088595;mircea_popescu;not exactly, a lot of foreign derps in bitcoin, esp early 2010s.
1847760;1536088614;asciilifeform;re judges, i suspect moar alzheimer's flavour, but do not specifically know, i dun have any in my wot
1847761;1536088622;mircea_popescu;most of these bums, from taaki to whoever else, are precisely not the us professional class, but the orc dreamer.
1847762;1536088637;mircea_popescu;tryna make it to florida.
1847763;1536088646;asciilifeform;that eternal eldorado, eh
1847764;1536088733;mircea_popescu;gotta tell mom you've made something of self
1847765;1536088735;mircea_popescu;cuz can't show her.
1847766;1536088794;mircea_popescu;the fundamental problem of http://trilema.com/2017/damele-dameleee/#selection-93.1-93.316 ain't easily gone away.
1847767;1536088815;mircea_popescu;pretend to make gods of men all ye will, the problems of gods then they'll assail.
1847768;1536088819;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> that eternal eldorado, eh << Nah, Miami
1847769;1536089026;asciilifeform;let the gods strike me down, but, will confess, asciilifeform never yearned for miami.
1847770;1536089042;asciilifeform;nor has much patience for the 'yearners'.
1847771;1536089043;mircea_popescu;easy enough to do from washington dc.
1847772;1536089056;mircea_popescu;just as slimy, just as swampy.
1847773;1536089063;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: think, for what do i need miami, i have all the mosquitoes here anyone could want
1847774;1536089069;mircea_popescu;exactl.y
1847775;1536089071;asciilifeform;i suppose missing is python, alligator.
1847776;1536089076;mircea_popescu;and all the old jews and so on.
1847777;1536089085;asciilifeform;those -- we have
1847778;1536089094;mircea_popescu;i meant, "already have"
1847779;1536089097;asciilifeform;( they dun all fit in nyc and miami )
1847780;1536089098;asciilifeform;aaha
1847781;1536089123;mircea_popescu;in other news, /me is working on a monstrous, 70k+ words as it stands nao, work of adnotation.
1847782;1536089136;mircea_popescu;with any luck, tomorrow.
1847783;1536089141;asciilifeform;neato
1847784;1536089664;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-04#1847747 -> hm, I remember more the version with "if you take it, you'll be sorry, if you don't take it, you'll be sorry; so better take it"
1847785;1536089664;a111;Logged on 2018-09-04 19:04 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: does ro have that folk tale, where 'go left, lose your horse, go right, lose yer life,...' etc ?
1847786;1536089688;asciilifeform;diana_coman: take which. on my home planet the story had a 3way fork.
1847787;1536089703;mircea_popescu;diana_coman it's there, harap alb, etc.
1847788;1536089706;asciilifeform;(trilema, if you will..)
1847789;1536089715;mircea_popescu;abundantly ethnological.
1847790;1536089720;diana_coman;asciilifeform, ah, the 3 road forks was "on this road you'll never come back"
1847791;1536089728;asciilifeform;~that~ was a given
1847792;1536089729;diana_coman;the take was take a feather or whatever it was
1847793;1536089766;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, I don't recall any explicit fork in harap alb? or what, after he gets into the well, the "choice"?
1847794;1536089996;mircea_popescu;hmm, i'm goping through creanga's cannonical and i don't see it ; but i quite literally recall this "take the left, lose your life ; take the right, lose your quest ; go straight ahead and lose both"
1847795;1536090042;hanbot;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-04#1847657 << glad it's working well. looks good from here!
1847796;1536090042;a111;Logged on 2018-09-04 17:07 BingoBoingo: And thank you hanbot, the V Genesised MP-WP is very nice. Much improved dashboard and editors.
1847797;1536090082;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/EcCV7 << collection of illustrations , re subj
1847798;1536090240;hanbot;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-04#1847674 << always was and still is fear. everyone i talk to, from parent to phlebotomist to self-imagined "people in crypto" says the same shit: they don't know how, and learning looks too vast, and nobody will issue them certificate of Everything's-Okay.
1847799;1536090240;a111;Logged on 2018-09-04 18:18 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2013-03-11#-86304 << still unsolved enigma, afaik..
1847800;1536090443;mircea_popescu;and god only had a few million souls at the peak available and the women kept pouring out children, and well...
1847801;1536090450;mircea_popescu;~everyone's supernumerary.
1847802;1536090820;asciilifeform;http://www.forex.ua/blog-images/%D0%92%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%8F%D0%B7%D1%8C_cr.jpg << variant.
1847803;1536091019;asciilifeform;hanbot: fear dun explain it, imho, derps will 'invest' in unbelievably outlandish nonsense happily w/out fear
1847804;1536091143;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The people peddling the outlandish nonsense go out of their way to relieve fear. It's what the swindlers do
1847805;1536091257;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 'millenials' are generally subhuman ; ( as per mircea_popescu's 'souls' portrait ); older folx, on other hand, have deep scars of 'who am i to think that i can own anything, the takers always find a way to take it'
1847806;1536091312;BingoBoingo;Sure they don't have souls, but they got some rusty python scripts to follow
1847807;1536091321;mircea_popescu;there is that ; but more common with older folks seems a deep and fundamental ineptitude with the programmable machines
1847808;1536091331;asciilifeform;( speaking here of the saner older folx; there's no shortage of idjits who think they 'own' usg house etc )
1847809;1536091336;mircea_popescu;watch them at work, the impression becomes inescapable you're trying to teach lizzards writing
1847810;1536091354;mircea_popescu;"but your right honorable greatness! WE HAVE NO OPPOSABLE THUMBS!"
1847811;1536091485;mircea_popescu;the "internet=blue ie/facebook icon" exact diametrical of http://trilema.com/2018/wood-impregnated-in-oil-a-metaphor/#comment-126055 is not even the whole story.
1847812;1536091573;mircea_popescu;to put the matter into proper formalization : the old world, of mechanical contraptions that could be physically debugged, was relatively simple and moreover in certain senses and on some dimensions very strictly constrained. consequently it was possible to build exam-taking rulebooks that allowed a large population of morons to build up, and "work", passibly well, as church wardens, ship righters, what have you.
1847813;1536091630;mircea_popescu;but the more abstract world of representation (aptly described not by the computer, but by the trilema-style referencing, which is more fundamental a computer than the computer itself for the needs of this conversation) suddenly exploded all that. like when you lift a rug, suddenly all sorts of scum was exposed that before passed.
1847814;1536091702;mircea_popescu;"you are not smart enough to be here" certaily means something at all points of human existence, from the eleusine days forward, and before. but WHAT it exactly means depends strictly on how sharp and how effectual tools there are available ti distinguish sense from idiocy.
1847815;1536091717;asciilifeform;this is mircea_popescu's earlier 'end of industrial rev' thesis, aha
1847816;1536091742;mircea_popescu;yes, but in a different aspect ; that concerned principally the happenstance that labour is no longer a thing, much like phlogiston is no longer a thing.
1847817;1536091773;mircea_popescu;this has no bearing on the expectations of people to feed themselves through work of their hands ; but it speaks rather on the expectation of people that they can make friends.
1847818;1536091794;mircea_popescu;as a factual matter, i could (and did) pick up women i'd share a bed with on the street, some short two decades ago. even less.
1847819;1536091810;mircea_popescu;today i have to go through millions of "profiles", and the results are overall less satisfactory.
1847820;1536091813;mircea_popescu;what's changed ?
1847821;1536091860;asciilifeform;well 20y ago they were 'grass-fed' chix, today -- 'feedlot' millenials
1847822;1536091864;mircea_popescu;it never occured to me to inquire whether, or that i'd care if, 1998 girly wrote anything. who the fuck cares, "sense enough to not get run over" was plenty, then.
1847823;1536091880;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i fear that may be just so much wishful thinking.
1847824;1536091891;asciilifeform;what's the alt-hypothesis then
1847825;1536091912;mircea_popescu;literally this, things are important now that literally did not exist a decade, or a century, or ten thousand centuries ago.
1847826;1536091941;asciilifeform;exactly same item as when writing was discovered
1847827;1536091957;mircea_popescu;dante wisely never asked beatrice if she could read the latin verse. nor did he care
1847828;1536091969;mircea_popescu;which is why renaissance did not start with dante ; it included him, but in effigy.
1847829;1536091977;asciilifeform;possibly because could not afford to care
1847830;1536091989;mircea_popescu;possibly because did not care, to begin with.
1847831;1536092000;mircea_popescu;and for same reason he didn't care -- he also didn't start the renaissance.
1847832;1536092010;BingoBoingo;!Q later tell trinque Secular Texas related question I recieved for your laffs http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/EnsvM/?raw=true
1847833;1536092010;lobbesbot;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
1847834;1536092014;asciilifeform;today mircea_popescu pumps 100,000 litres of ocean water and finds 1-2 chix that can pgp. but what if had to pump 10,000,000 litres, and got 1 chix, and she looked like emmy noether, what then.
1847835;1536092051;mircea_popescu;~same. what do i care.
1847836;1536092091;mircea_popescu;besides, one's in a much better position to find comnena in 1200s than 1400s. by the 1400s, nobody in italy could read greek, you realise this ?
1847837;1536092103;mircea_popescu;special greek teacher had to be imported, and was the only and first one in century+
1847838;1536092353;mircea_popescu;(coluccio salutati, by any accounts the man that made it work, a http://trilema.com/2014/fred-quimby-and-ancient-evils/ character brought manuel chrysoloras to florence, and thereby aristotle could be read for the first time in greek, rather than in arabic)
1847839;1536092538;mircea_popescu;(and since we're doing notes : anna porphyrogenita has an ancient name, which approximately meant the same as "comely". Ἄννα Κομνηνή, anna the comely. looks nothing like noether!)
1847840;1536094822;asciilifeform;porphyrogenita << i still find the 'snailcoin' interesting
1847841;1536095000;mircea_popescu;which one is this ?
1847842;1536095039;asciilifeform;6,6-dibromoindigo
1847843;1536095239;asciilifeform;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/lxAGF/?raw=true << likbez for n00bz, de-pdfized.
1847844;1536095249;mircea_popescu;you want to stink like a fishwife ?
1847845;1536095275;asciilifeform;i dun think the finished product had a smell
1847846;1536095309;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lulzily, modern chemists found that it... semiconducts
1847847;1536095342;deedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2018/09/04/pura-vida-like-no-other/ << Ossasepia - Pura Vida Like No Other
1847848;1536095391;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform smelled such that it was specifically a cause of divorce among the jews
1847849;1536095396;mircea_popescu;"man took up dyeing":
1847850;1536095409;asciilifeform;i recall
1847851;1536095416;asciilifeform;but not product, but the manufacture process
1847852;1536095424;asciilifeform;( where you had to ferment the snails )
1847853;1536095425;mircea_popescu;the colored clothes themselves.
1847854;1536095444;asciilifeform;even after sun dry ? caesar went around outgassing ?
1847855;1536095487;mircea_popescu;aha.
1847856;1536095507;mircea_popescu;"stench as lasting as the color" says the ancient source.
1847857;1536095513;asciilifeform;interesting
1847858;1536095521;asciilifeform;this 'feature' appears to be missing from the synthetic variant..
1847859;1536095532;mircea_popescu;semiconducted out ?
1847860;1536095541;asciilifeform;lol
1847861;1536095545;mircea_popescu;anyway, afaik wasn't really industrialized ever
1847862;1536095682;asciilifeform;not in orig variant afaik.
1847863;1536095688;asciilifeform;( possibly for this reason ? )
1847864;1536095740;mircea_popescu;expensive, in any case.
1847865;1536095760;asciilifeform;made with orig method, was most expensive manufactured substance known at the time, afaik
1847866;1536095764;mircea_popescu;after the western world brought the benefits of democracy to the byzantines, the latter also stopped using it.
1847867;1536095785;asciilifeform;afaik byzantine never once could afford to make even 1 purple robe with snail.
1847868;1536095802;asciilifeform;it went away with the eastern rome.
1847869;1536095805;asciilifeform;err, western
1847870;1536095886;mircea_popescu;nah, they kept doing it for centuries after.
1847871;1536095894;mircea_popescu;finally stopped cca 11th century.
1847872;1536095918;asciilifeform;i thought they had switched to ersatz , with fall of rome ( vermillion ? )
1847873;1536095923;mircea_popescu;byzantium was both richer and larger than rome throughout the entire xtian period
1847874;1536095931;mircea_popescu;the french used the beetle.
1847875;1536095936;asciilifeform;ah
1847876;1536096006;asciilifeform;diana_coman: holy fuq, who the fuck chains up a crocodile. why not humanely put a 12ga to its head, omfg
1847877;1536096025;diana_coman;asciilifeform, myeah, what can I say
1847878;1536096054;asciilifeform;diana_coman, mircea_popescu : do folx still make croc leather ?
1847879;1536096067;diana_coman;the "kind" people who "won't kill" I guess; I really don't have any other explanation for that shit
1847880;1536096084;mircea_popescu;they came up with a buncha pantsuitisms here ; no smoking in public, no genuine leather... can't even keep a chipmunk pet. not legally at any rate.
1847881;1536096102;asciilifeform;srsly? this is even moar oddball than usa
1847882;1536096111;diana_coman;o.O what, I broke the law by wearing leather shoes and sandals??
1847883;1536096138;mircea_popescu;diana_coman well, you didn't ~make them~.
1847884;1536096157;diana_coman;asciilifeform, they have laws and rules but basically they don't really apply them , at least not in the manner you think of "apply"
1847885;1536096163;asciilifeform;aah orcistan
1847886;1536096253;diana_coman;child had a small ball and apparently there was a rule that no balls allowed in park; so before we even got to the gate, one guard was trying to convince me to hide the ball in a jacket (I had no idea wtf for, it made sense only on hindsight); at the "control" I simply said that ball stays in backpack so it's not a problem and they ..were fine with that
1847887;1536096296;mircea_popescu;if they were rid of the moronic usgistani monkeys on their back, they'd be truly happy people.
1847888;1536096313;asciilifeform;it was usg that forbade rubber ball ?
1847889;1536096319;asciilifeform;or speaking moar generally of the infectious prion.
1847890;1536096325;mircea_popescu;the latter.
1847891;1536096330;*;asciilifeform can picture it
1847892;1536096349;mircea_popescu;they don't naturally conceive usa is filth.
1847893;1536096367;mircea_popescu;imagine the reasoning of little girl, "mommy, mommy, isn't my skirt much better now, i put some mud on it"
1847894;1536096371;asciilifeform;i'd've naively imagined they have enuff contact with usg escapees, to know what it is
1847895;1536096383;mircea_popescu;notrly.
1847896;1536096399;diana_coman;asciilifeform, their contact is "tourists are american and give us lots of money" from what I can tell
1847897;1536096418;mircea_popescu;most tourists are really pan-german
1847898;1536096421;mircea_popescu;dutch, german, etc.
1847899;1536096439;asciilifeform;americans , as whole, dun tourist so much, they get, what, 1wk of time off / yr
1847900;1536096456;asciilifeform;and they spend it with the bottle, in milwaukee, with 'fambly'
1847901;1536096467;diana_coman;I did hear a lot of dutch and german too,that is true; but all the dollar-prices and loads of English spoken and the baked in assumption - American, I don't know
1847902;1536096508;asciilifeform;diana_coman: dunno whether you knew, but in usa there is ~substantial~ population of folx who... haven't a passport.
1847903;1536096517;asciilifeform;like hruschev's 1960s, kolhoz.
1847904;1536096530;asciilifeform;i aint speaking of the mexicans, either
1847905;1536096570;asciilifeform;( literally, they can't be arsed to pay the 100bux + the photographer's 10. because they can't picture 'where to go, why' )
1847906;1536096604;diana_coman;it's unclear to me only if the similarity goes that far since at least in RO people *wanted* passport or afaik many americans don't see /conceive/think of the need for passport, so possible one up
1847907;1536096619;diana_coman;aha
1847908;1536096652;asciilifeform;they are quite similar, imho. usa has moar 'advanced' republikflucht-prevention than ye olde su, is all
1847909;1536096692;diana_coman;come to think of it, maybe americans were simply so loud and rather obnoxious that they were more visible, huh; doing some counting here I remember there was even a rather large group of ...italians, lol
1847910;1536096704;diana_coman;so mircea_popescu is probably right re numbers
1847911;1536099681;BingoBoingo;<diana_coman> I did hear a lot of dutch and german too,that is true; but all the dollar-prices and loads of English spoken and the baked in assumption - American, I don't know << Lots of Germans passed through the hostel (less than Latinos/Brasileros) they speak English because their hollywood ended in 1940s
1847912;1536106891;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-04#1847663 << I just ran top for a bit. Looks like the most mysql ever takes is ~6.6% of memory. fwiw I'm just using httpd (not sure if this would be a factor in mysql memory usage, but only difference I can think of between our LAMPs)
1847913;1536106891;a111;Logged on 2018-09-04 18:04 BingoBoingo: lobbes: What sort of memory footprint is mysql leaving on your rockchip?
1847914;1536107027;lobbes;also, congrats on joining teh mp-wp-rk club
1847915;1536108534;deedbot;http://bimbo.club/?p=9 << Bimbo.Club - So what does happen when you drop everything and dedicate your life to serving...
1847916;1536112609;mircea_popescu;"Jake Joseph Paul is an American actor and YouTube personality who rose to significant fame on the now-defunct video application Vine. "
1847917;1536112623;mircea_popescu;tha fuck does this even mean ? how can it possibly be significant if defunct ?!
1847918;1536112643;mircea_popescu;even the momentarily-still-alive ones are very arguably significant at all.
1847919;1536117572;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-05#1847915 >> 'I was in a position in which I enforced company policy, hired, and fired as human resources and now no longer have an office with my name on the wall or any authority; however, I do have a 'cage', collar, and a really cute headband...' >> lol win, oblig >> 'Yea, a trooper of the forces who has run his own six horses!' (tm)(r)(kipling)
1847920;1536117572;a111;Logged on 2018-09-05 00:48 deedbot: http://bimbo.club/?p=9 << Bimbo.Club - So what does happen when you drop everything and dedicate your life to serving...
1847921;1536117601;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well ?
1847922;1536117658;asciilifeform;well neat, afaik this is the 1st talking seal with blog, at least as the l0gz go
1847923;1536117697;asciilifeform;pet: 'this reads like a alt.sex.stories post'
1847924;1536117946;mircea_popescu;i am most curious in how time shall grind it.
1847925;1536117984;mircea_popescu;but yes, she's not read nearly enough to be capable of penmanship in anything but the common low style. yet.
1847926;1536118017;asciilifeform;this was the accountant chix , iirc ?
1847927;1536118045;asciilifeform;i take it they dun waste their time with book-larnin' no moar..
1847928;1536118205;mircea_popescu;if they do, it's not apparent.
1847929;1536118575;Mocky;ok, word is: no family in the region
1847930;1536118613;mircea_popescu;lucky you.
1847931;1536122826;trinque;dunno that I share this static view of humans. gonna be interesting to see what she gets whipped into.
1847932;1536122827;lobbesbot;trinque: Sent 8 hours and 33 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> Secular Texas related question I recieved for your laffs http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/EnsvM/?raw=true
1847933;1536122920;trinque;asciilifeform: how many males do you know that'd be a sweaty flaccid mess turning on a dime and dispensing with whatever life, however meaningless, on the spot.
1847934;1536122951;trinque;chick sounds stoked.
1847935;1536124424;nicoleci;thank you, trinque - I am excited :)
1847936;1536156790;asciilifeform;in other noose >> https://archive.is/Pl8lP << 'shapeshift' accountless exchange house goes 'kyc'
1847937;1536156909;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-05#1847933 << possibly this q is constructed so as to have no answer, but why not try : erry day whole buncha males eat their pistols, given as this is the only 'turnaround and dispensing with whatever life' available to them.
1847938;1536156909;a111;Logged on 2018-09-05 04:48 trinque: asciilifeform: how many males do you know that'd be a sweaty flaccid mess turning on a dime and dispensing with whatever life, however meaningless, on the spot.
1847939;1536157262;asciilifeform;mod6: i have not forgotten your item; currently drowning in saecular liquishit, but expecting to get to it today
1847940;1536163044;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-05#1847933 << moreover, the "new life" device is typically female ; perhaps the most widely examined & researched point by humans on earth, there's a fucking reason "marriage" consisted historically and ~universally~ (not counting the moron societies) of exactly this, "Ia-ti mireasa ziua buna, de la tata, de la muma, de la frati, de la surori, de la gradina cu flori" ie "bitch, say your goodbyes
1847941;1536163044;a111;Logged on 2018-09-05 04:48 trinque: asciilifeform: how many males do you know that'd be a sweaty flaccid mess turning on a dime and dispensing with whatever life, however meaningless, on the spot.
1847942;1536163044;mircea_popescu;, you're moving on".
1847943;1536163112;mircea_popescu;and no, there's nothing wrong with saying "universally, except for the morons". car tanks are universally filled with gasoline (except for the morons -- such as those who try straight toluene, or those al schwartz speaks of, or etcetera -- there's no "consensus" escape from reality, and so in plenty of cases there's no difference between divergence and idiocy)
1847944;1536163312;asciilifeform;nitrobenzene!111
1847945;1536163380;mircea_popescu;yaya
1847946;1536163429;mircea_popescu;why not straight paracetamol.
1847947;1536163445;asciilifeform;trotyl. why settle for small change.
1847948;1536163537;mircea_popescu;anyway, speaking of which, isn't it a wonder all the "secret services assassinations" etc don't involve a simple "replace shower gel with nitrobenzene" ? evidently they can get hotel maids to perjure themselves in the most ridoinculous way possible, why not something incomparably safer ? not like the usual fucktards would ever give up the "conference" life
1847949;1536163550;diana_coman;I'd just put side by side http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-05#1847919 with http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-01#1838630 and leave it there for comparison by any interested parties
1847950;1536163550;a111;Logged on 2018-09-05 03:19 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-05#1847915 >> 'I was in a position in which I enforced company policy, hired, and fired as human resources and now no longer have an office with my name on the wall or any authority; however, I do have a 'cage', collar, and a really cute headband...' >> lol win, oblig >> 'Yea, a trooper of the forces who has run his own six horses!' (tm)(r)(kipling)
1847951;1536163550;a111;Logged on 2018-08-01 03:07 douchebag: Also the security firm I'm working on is expected to pull at least a half million dollars by december
1847952;1536163564;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: actually they nailed the head of DNR ( counter-ukrs ) coupla days ago in precisely , iirc, this way
1847953;1536163600;mircea_popescu;diana_coman and consider : she's younger than him.
1847954;1536163605;asciilifeform;exploding lamp in restaurant.
1847955;1536163617;mircea_popescu;ha
1847956;1536163632;mircea_popescu;hm, alfie, it's not explosive so much as very toxic.
1847957;1536163643;asciilifeform;oh i have nfi which particular load.
1847958;1536163648;asciilifeform;word is, one of his guards is already on a plane to promise land miami.
1847959;1536163657;mircea_popescu;lmap
1847960;1536163811;asciilifeform;as for poison, it's 'mature technology', they seem to have no prob 'heart attack'ing whoever.
1847961;1536163831;asciilifeform;( helps if victim is helpfully prisoner , e.g. milosevich )
1847962;1536163896;mircea_popescu;1918 technoly lol, potassium chloride. i had an entire box, as a boy, FOR JUST THIS JUST IN CASE!!!
1847963;1536164059;asciilifeform;1500s
1847964;1536164128;asciilifeform;( aside from radionucleic strange, the point of using which largely escapes me, not much changed in poison art since borgias )
1847965;1536164202;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> 1918 technoly lol, potassium chloride. i had an entire box, as a boy, FOR JUST THIS JUST IN CASE!!! << Ah, the old sodium free salt from the grocery store
1847966;1536164203;asciilifeform;usg circa '50s-70s had this peculiar fixation with 'incapacitating agents', to make victim spout nonsense and 'discredit', but afaik came to ~nuffin
1847967;1536164253;asciilifeform;perhaps will have a second life, at some point, 'maybe if we feed him lsd he'll post his privkey', whoknows
1847968;1536164269;mircea_popescu;everything has a second life.
1847969;1536164331;asciilifeform;i'd be surprised if 'privkey serum' were not a major research direction for the current mengeles
1847970;1536164512;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-05#1847949 << possibly i'm think, but what is comparable here ? the 2 characters dun have same options, as treated at length in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-05#1847940 & elsewhere
1847971;1536164512;a111;Logged on 2018-09-05 16:05 diana_coman: I'd just put side by side http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-05#1847919 with http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-01#1838630 and leave it there for comparison by any interested parties
1847972;1536164512;a111;Logged on 2018-09-05 15:57 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-05#1847933 << moreover, the "new life" device is typically female ; perhaps the most widely examined & researched point by humans on earth, there's a fucking reason "marriage" consisted historically and ~universally~ (not counting the moron societies) of exactly this, "Ia-ti mireasa ziua buna, de la tata, de la muma, de la frati, de la surori, de la gradina cu flori" ie "bitch, say your goodbyes
1847973;1536164519;asciilifeform;*thick
1847974;1536164575;asciilifeform;1 was a doomed d00d taking refuge in a peculiar religion ( why not, gotta wonder, islam, at least it promises 40 magical virgins, why usg.sv ) and 1 is chix being reformatted
1847975;1536164612;asciilifeform;know how some bottles recycleable, others -- not? similar.
1847976;1536164613;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the irritating problem is that while the two characters are fundamentally disimilar, nevertheless there's superficial similarities that rankle. both use a language to communicate what appear to be thoughts, and both can emulate formal logic in their own wetware to reliably come to the same true/false values
1847977;1536164654;asciilifeform;rright, but for one, conclusion is 'wagner+cyanide', for other -- not
1847978;1536164658;mircea_popescu;it seems, if one's inclined to generalize, that both sexes of a species are the same species, much like both recyclable and non-recyclable bottles are "bottle", in some sort of sense that doesn't make any sense in examination.
1847979;1536164692;mircea_popescu;"up until that point where you take them to the recycling plant door and one is refused, they're entirely the same thing right, hold fluid"
1847980;1536164732;mircea_popescu;so in the end, it becomes a dispute over present-value-evaluation. if you have two hats, one of which will break next time you use it, do you have two hats ?
1847981;1536164763;mircea_popescu;"well... it's not broken now, is it" this is how people here repair my cars. "is it ok ?" "sure, nothing's broken RIGHT THIS INSTANT" "this is a german car, that's not what ok is."
1847982;1536164789;diana_coman;asciilifeform, he had *his* option to be part of tmsr and she had *her* option to be part of it; he did not take it on account of "but I earn money now and I'm building mah future at this great company" ; she took hers discarding the earn money now and this great company
1847983;1536164793;diana_coman;not all that dissimilar
1847984;1536164866;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i suspect (tho cannot know) that douchebag understood that he was useless , and took refuge in religion.
1847985;1536164919;diana_coman;asciilifeform, I don't know what that would be based on really or why you'd put it in
1847986;1536164939;diana_coman;basically nicoleci then "understood" she was NOT useless somehow? I don't quite follow
1847987;1536164940;asciilifeform;based on the log.
1847988;1536164953;asciilifeform;he picked up various work and then demonstrated that his hands grew from arse
1847989;1536164996;diana_coman;he demonstrated that he was illiterate and so on; pretty much what you complained re nicoleci atm; no proof that one can't learn
1847990;1536165027;asciilifeform;nicoleci on other hand, is not useless, for fundamental physiological reasons; is at this very moment performing in mircea_popescu's circus
1847991;1536165030;mircea_popescu;absolutely douchebag character was better informed than the girl ; and more competent.
1847992;1536165043;diana_coman;as mircea_popescu said above http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-05#1847976
1847993;1536165043;a111;Logged on 2018-09-05 16:23 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the irritating problem is that while the two characters are fundamentally disimilar, nevertheless there's superficial similarities that rankle. both use a language to communicate what appear to be thoughts, and both can emulate formal logic in their own wetware to reliably come to the same true/false values
1847994;1536165044;mircea_popescu;but he was also not going anywhere.
1847995;1536165062;asciilifeform;was competent at wrong thing, iirc.
1847996;1536165079;mircea_popescu;there's a bit in the piece i am working right now which i'd like to reference ehre.
1847997;1536165113;mircea_popescu;let us just say "is alwayes too hard for himself" and come back to the particular issue in a day or two
1847998;1536165172;asciilifeform;i suspect that the spark of sense in this thread, if there was one, has eluded asciilifeform . so ok.
1847999;1536165192;mircea_popescu;but anyway, i would dare propose the fundamental difference is that the boy absolutely needs to maintain throughout a certain feeling of continuancy, a certain notion that he's still a person, that something from his past nevertheless even today stands, that his retrospective history is somehow interpretable as "having a red thread running through it". even if it were to change, it must be continuous.
1848000;1536165226;mircea_popescu;whereas the girl does not so need. even if it is extremely distressing, the experience of the loss of the self is post-partum enjoyable, and in the process ultimately unscary.
1848001;1536165276;diana_coman;might depend on what "self" one talks about there but anyways, it can certainly wait
1848002;1536165312;mircea_popescu;diana_coman ah, i just meant the minor side point of "competent at wrong thing".
1848003;1536165365;diana_coman;ah, I can see that; I'd put it simply: boy attaches a way higher cost to "being wrong"
1848004;1536165382;mircea_popescu;incidentally, the whole "faux transvestite" a la brendafernandez, "i'm a boy who likes girls but not like a man, so how about i dress up like a girl and we frolic ?" is very much this "what if i could girl also ? discover one day mywhole prior life was a fake" etc.
1848005;1536165411;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: douche struck me as the type who 'invested' -- i.e. 'whaddayeamean you have no use for my 313337 web20 h4xx0r sk1llz, whatddayeamean go and learn asm or whatnot, you may as well be telling me that wagner, cyanide'
1848006;1536165453;asciilifeform;imho this is strange for a 19yo, but the landscape does reliably produce these nao.
1848007;1536165478;mircea_popescu;boys are supposed to try things, yes ? scary things, yes ? well ?
1848008;1536165508;asciilifeform;per his cosmography he had 'already tried, landed'
1848009;1536165538;mircea_popescu;oh i thought we were talking "transsexuals" / tulpas/ we
1848010;1536165558;asciilifeform;ah no, i haven't the faintest notion that i know the first thing about these.
1848011;1536165570;asciilifeform;pro psychopathologists strictly, subject
1848012;1536165620;asciilifeform;there are reportedly folx who want to somehow 'be' horses, or dogs, etc. also.
1848013;1536165637;asciilifeform;they buy specially tailored costumes, etc.
1848014;1536165646;mircea_popescu;i suppose ; though it does not seem related.
1848015;1536165651;asciilifeform;to 'trans' ? related.
1848016;1536165680;asciilifeform;i can't properly picture what is inside the head of the sufferer, but imagine that 'if i dress up correctly, the gods will take pity and wave magic wand' or how else.
1848017;1536165734;asciilifeform;recall the alice__ character ?
1848018;1536165736;mircea_popescu;diana_coman do you recall the complaint of the police a few years ago that "you've got all these written exams, now we're stuck making police agents out of girlies, god help us" ?
1848019;1536165791;asciilifeform;i parse it as 100% chukcha 'sympathetic magic' -- 'eat heart of walrus, become great swimmer'
1848020;1536165824;asciilifeform;then you point out that they are no swimmer, and poor nutter goes apeshit
1848021;1536165844;mircea_popescu;neah ; for one thing the "i r lion" fury people shy away whereas the "i r girl" "trans" people seek the limelight.
1848022;1536165848;asciilifeform;'wtf, i ate 500 walrus, what is wrong with you'
1848023;1536165848;Mocky;seems to me both male and female cling to the continuity, but female has greater capacity to reframe the past to fit a completely different continuity narrative.
1848024;1536165889;mircea_popescu;Mocky different construction of the id ; therefore different capacity to survive specific crashes.
1848025;1536165947;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: seems like not all 'seek limelight', erry so often you hear of navy officer with 30 yrs service who dresses up as chix when he thinks no one looking etc
1848026;1536165961;mircea_popescu;the term's crossdresser.
1848027;1536165963;asciilifeform;but this is far out of my depth re subj
1848028;1536165967;mircea_popescu;there's two terms specifically for this reason
1848029;1536166032;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, I recall that specific complaint mainly as repeatedly cited by you; but other than that I thought it was already quite pervasive issue basically
1848030;1536166035;asciilifeform;i thought 'trans' was simply crossdresser deceived by quack doctors that he can haz usable synthetic cunt etc
1848031;1536166105;mircea_popescu;diana_coman alright ; but do you see the argument that ~school as an institution~ provides a higher onthological threat to the boy than to the girl, specfifically because of this implicit "we'll make you something else" promise ?
1848032;1536166257;diana_coman;if that's what the school promises, it's a tall order anyway; and for that matter does school make girl boy ? or what "something else"?
1848033;1536166372;mircea_popescu;well, there's that old "as i became a man i put the things of childhood aside". "something else", you know ? not a girl, no, but who knows what terror ?!
1848034;1536166400;mircea_popescu;there's a deep reason for all the historical "initiation ceremonies", and the reason is as usual need. maturation's axiogenic.
1848035;1536166430;Mocky;if it was ballet school, then yeah something else.
1848036;1536166510;mircea_popescu;you think ? from experience russki ballerina doods quite dangerous in close quarters.
1848037;1536166537;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, what does axiogenic mean?
1848038;1536166543;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-25#1844647 << in the interest of fairness, owner checked for me and apparently bimbo.club was a "premium domain", worth moar. who even knew, there's twelve bux premiums now.
1848039;1536166543;a111;Logged on 2018-08-25 23:37 mircea_popescu: jesus fuck, check out these idiots : advertise it at $1.89 ; charge $15. da fuck.
1848040;1536166550;mircea_popescu;diana_coman which generates anxiety.
1848041;1536166551;asciilifeform;maybe anxio-
1848042;1536166557;mircea_popescu;right.
1848043;1536166561;diana_coman;ah, right
1848044;1536166599;diana_coman;well, if it's a whole club, it has to be worth more!!
1848045;1536166617;mircea_popescu;lol.
1848046;1536166626;mircea_popescu;did you palatalize the r ?
1848047;1536166639;diana_coman;lol
1848048;1536166640;*;mircea_popescu now regrets he didn't get whole.crub
1848049;1536166664;*;asciilifeform pictures a bimbo.gov, .mil...
1848050;1536166698;asciilifeform;perhaps reserved for fyootoor rear echelon r&r brothel service pg
1848051;1536166722;mircea_popescu;rear eh ?
1848052;1536166737;Mocky;tell a boy he's being sent to school, maybe he dun wanna go but no horror. hell him ballet school, (or fashion school or cheerleader camp *something else*) then yes, horror
1848053;1536166778;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: per legend, it's what usg uses israel for -- a kind of thailand for officers to park their cocks in during arabian adventures
1848054;1536166827;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the whole thing deeply complicated by, eg, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-05#1847984 vs http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-01#1846605
1848055;1536166827;a111;Logged on 2018-09-05 16:27 asciilifeform: diana_coman: i suspect (tho cannot know) that douchebag understood that he was useless , and took refuge in religion.
1848056;1536166827;a111;Logged on 2018-09-01 16:43 Mocky: holy shit, an hour ago i was eating waffles and now i'm going to qatar
1848057;1536166846;mircea_popescu;how do you salvage this, "personal valor transcends gender bias" ?
1848058;1536166849;asciilifeform;Mocky: in old su, or current jp, and plenty elsewhere, nobody 'tells' boy anyffing, he gets told 'this is school' 'this here is the stick you will be whacked with' etc
1848059;1536167142;mircea_popescu;in any case, it might be that the "decolonialization" sudden failure of europe has had the undiagnosed effect of removing fundamental mechanisms required for male maturation, leaving a sort of unstable state. perhaps the case is boys could manage just fine, if there was some sort of resource available to explain that... i don't even know, whatever the fuck, that it's ok to be a boy and it'll work out in the end.
1848060;1536167150;Mocky;asciilifeform, sounds like less promise of something else
1848061;1536167153;mircea_popescu;nothing's nearly as drastic in fact as the "preparative" imagination promised.
1848062;1536167326;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/09/theranos-wind-down-announced-overnight/ << Qntra - Theranos Wind Down Announced Overnight
1848063;1536167345;mircea_popescu;i suspect something like http://trilema.com/2012/in-atentia-igppa-autodenunt/ & http://trilema.com/2015/peripateticists-kinda-except-girls-not-boys-bare-cunt-instead-of-toga-and-walking-around-the-house-not-the-garden-but-otherwise-exactly-the-same/ may be controlling. mp knows full well that he can butcher for no reason and with no consequence ; and will to make a point. but this is utterly inconceivable to elliott, who trul
1848064;1536167345;mircea_popescu;y is the universal imago of the contemporaneous english speaking young male.
1848065;1536167404;asciilifeform;hey, whatever else has been said of elliott, the man did in the end seize the fire of butchery from the gods ( even if burned up in it quickly )
1848066;1536167416;mircea_popescu;so remote is this "delectable pork sausage" in fact, that scarcely he perceives the difference between waving gun out of suv window and shooting some innocent bastard.
1848067;1536167464;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i don't believe that happened. the difference i propose is that for him, said "butchering" is an asimptote, the mind never quite reaches it. which is how they end up believing that "i pick up gun and start shooting" is the ~end~ state.
1848068;1536167480;mircea_popescu;wtf end state, "don't take your guns to town, boy" is specifically about "don't ~START~ something".
1848069;1536167510;mircea_popescu;the range wars in the very us raged in living memory as an exact manifest of this whole thing.
1848070;1536167518;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i parsed elliott et al as a http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-22#1843703 case
1848071;1536167518;a111;Logged on 2018-08-22 21:51 asciilifeform: 'Andropov: Why did you decide that you are a judge and can decide with a gun in your hands?   Ilyin: Because a person should live not exist.'
1848072;1536167528;mircea_popescu;absolutely not.
1848073;1536167571;asciilifeform;if there is a substantive diff, it is not obvious to me
1848074;1536167581;mircea_popescu;who did elliott shoot ?
1848075;1536167599;asciilifeform;1st strangers met with, iirc
1848076;1536167609;asciilifeform;and not brezhnevabama, troo
1848077;1536167617;mircea_popescu;and who did v i ilyin  shoot ?
1848078;1536167625;mircea_popescu;right.
1848079;1536167628;asciilifeform;obamezhnev aha
1848080;1536167666;asciilifeform;this is the part that never made sense to me, why random derps
1848081;1536167692;asciilifeform;at least that '80s d00d , ~tried~ reagan
1848082;1536167711;mircea_popescu;(technically, he just shot some random old driver and some cosmonauts, but w/e. dood was going to take over govt by himself and shit, there's a difference between infantilism and insanity.)
1848083;1536167731;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform because the issues the child is struggling with is that he had no dad to take him hunting,
1848084;1536167742;mircea_popescu;not hitler's sort of problem, "the world's incorrectly cut up"
1848085;1536167753;asciilifeform;if he knew that hitlers always go in 2nd/3rd car, could've scored
1848086;1536167775;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, i'm vaguely curious how long until scholarship comes to senses, puts hitler where he belongs -- in lengthy line of peasant revolt leaders, with calvin, gh. doja, what have you.
1848087;1536167784;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform he shot at 2nd car.
1848088;1536167791;asciilifeform;hm did he
1848089;1536167792;asciilifeform;i fughet
1848090;1536167805;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: even yarvin has the sense to correctly put him with muntzer et al
1848091;1536167836;mircea_popescu;jan huss, whatever.
1848092;1536167900;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform amusingly, they all put forth the same pretense, hitler's "take over without breaking as much as a windowpane" very neatly mirrors calvin's "condemnation" of the 1524 wehrmacht.
1848093;1536167923;*;asciilifeform subscribes to the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-22#1843693 hypothesis.
1848094;1536167923;a111;Logged on 2018-08-22 21:39 asciilifeform: the janitor with a pail of petrol, is a t-cell, killing off inca cancer, whether knows it or not.
1848095;1536167928;mircea_popescu;"so unfortunate we totally had to shoot these idiots who just http://trilema.com/2016/and-they-wont-fucking-yield/
1848096;1536167953;*;mircea_popescu totally sees it, signing a "i deeply regret all these usg politrucks did not see the wisdow in time" eventually.
1848097;1536167968;asciilifeform;how else.
1848098;1536167972;mircea_popescu;right.
1848099;1536168057;asciilifeform;even in wasp hive, not errybody smells the pheromone right away, and recalcitrants 'won't yield', keep on laying 'illicit' eggs etc for a spell
1848100;1536168677;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/09/us-appeals-court-rules-unauthenticated-web-page-archives-now-evidence/ << Qntra - US Appeals Court Rules Unauthenticated Web Page Archives Now Evidence
1848101;1536168883;asciilifeform;'The appeals judges' decision reflected a similar one back in 2011 by the third circuit (United States v. Bansal) where a witness testified "from personal knowledge" how the Wayback Machine worked and how reliable it was. The court decided this provided "sufficient proof" that its mirrored pages were authentic.' << apparently old noose eh
1848102;1536168955;asciilifeform;and, in usg 'court', 'evidence' is whatever usg says it is, noose at 11...
1848103;1536169013;mircea_popescu;heh.
1848104;1536169184;BingoBoingo;Well, gotta keep the "expert witness" racket going
1848105;1536169257;asciilifeform;if 'digital evidence'(tm)(r) supposedly 'found' on some zek's hdd can be 'evidence', why not this.
1848106;1536169408;BingoBoingo;Well, the US courts discussion is always a process of papering over "having been stolen from"
1848107;1536169457;BingoBoingo;They gotta constantly A/B test their copywriting
1848108;1536169480;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i dun recall 1 single case of 'd00d kidnapped from orcistan, brought to washington, tried, ...and then acquitted'
1848109;1536169499;mircea_popescu;wel lfor one thing that'd open the whole civil liability can of worms
1848110;1536169507;BingoBoingo;Hence the appellate wank
1848111;1536169518;mircea_popescu;recall it was bush's idea "we can;'t let people out of our kidnapping centers, tehy'd fucking sue"
1848112;1536169542;asciilifeform;sovereign immunity, neh
1848113;1536169544;asciilifeform;sue where.
1848114;1536169607;asciilifeform;( recall the nsa room201 lawsuit and how ended ? )
1848115;1536169637;asciilifeform;spoiler: verdict of 'national seekoority, and fuckyou'
1848116;1536169711;mircea_popescu;should be funny to see the same argument brought the other way
1848117;1536169760;asciilifeform;when chinese tanks on harvard lawn, then i expect yes will brought other way. but not until.
1848118;1536169829;asciilifeform;freisler, for instance, was 'prosecuting cases' right up until the roof caved in on him
1848119;1536169829;mircea_popescu;everything is eventually brought the other way.
1848120;1536170135;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/minigame-smg-august-2018-statement/ << Trilema - MiniGame (S.MG), August 2018 Statement
1848121;1536180830;mircea_popescu;but anyway, yes BingoBoingo has it, the "expert witness" is perhaps the prime manner through which pantsuit state maintains both pretense of justice and pretense of its own relevancy. judge judges "correctly" on "the basis of evidence" and "evidence" is carefully curated. ye olde "toxic facts / fake news" approach to utopianism.
1848122;1536181286;*;asciilifeform saw with own eyes ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-11#1601575 )
1848123;1536181286;a111;Logged on 2017-01-11 19:02 asciilifeform: phf: believe or not, asciilifeform sat on a jury once where 100% of the evidence was the computrace nonsense
1848124;1536181316;mircea_popescu;did you throw it all out ?
1848125;1536181594;nicoleci;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-05#1848018 i don't get it, are you saying women can't be policemen?
1848126;1536181594;a111;Logged on 2018-09-05 16:42 mircea_popescu: diana_coman do you recall the complaint of the police a few years ago that "you've got all these written exams, now we're stuck making police agents out of girlies, god help us" ?
1848127;1536181798;mircea_popescu;it's not speaking to female capacity ; women can certainly be my enforcers to great benefit, for instance. but as far as the "ourdemocracy" state is concerned, women very much can't be useful policemen ; not just because of the obvious http://trilema.com/wp-content/themes/trilema/images/antifa.gif but also because say http://trilema.com/2010/poveste-neadevarata/
1848128;1536182505;nicoleci;hmm... and now ill have to have someone read that to me..
1848129;1536182506;mircea_popescu;enjoy!
1848130;1536182506;mircea_popescu;the many blessings of illiteracy -- drives one to make friends, for instance.
1848131;1536182807;diana_coman;nicoleci, it might help to start looking at it from the other end: figure out what makes an effective policeman in the given context, compare it with what the "exam" actually tests even in the best case and then see how it fits otherwise with reality in the field; then again, I guess finding someone to read that 1 post might be faster at least
1848132;1536183168;nicoleci;diana_coman, ahh good point. ill keep that in mind, if i ever do find someone who can read the text
1848133;1536183814;BingoBoingo;!!up idint Quien es Usted?
1848134;1536183815;deedbot;idint voiced for 30 minutes.
1848135;1536183829;idint;hola soy Mario
1848136;1536183835;mircea_popescu;o.O
1848137;1536183840;BingoBoingo;Hola, como andas?
1848138;1536183856;idint;muy bien
1848139;1536183865;idint;y usted?
1848140;1536183867;BingoBoingo;Por que estás acá?
1848141;1536183871;BingoBoingo;Estoy tranquilo
1848142;1536183903;BingoBoingo;Tomé un leccion de Español esta tarde
1848143;1536183927;idint;vale
1848144;1536183933;idint;vi este canal en btcbase
1848145;1536183955;BingoBoingo;Que bien. Que otras idiomas hablas?
1848146;1536183964;idint;ingles y portugues
1848147;1536183973;BingoBoingo;De donde sos?
1848148;1536183974;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo is there a #bingo ?
1848149;1536183985;idint;madrid
1848150;1536184034;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: There is, #agriculturalsupremacy
1848151;1536184053;mircea_popescu;if you don't mind...
1848152;1536184169;BingoBoingo;idint: Do you have any questions for the group? Otherwise we can carry out the getting to know you chat in #agriculturalsupremacy
1848153;1536184273;idint;yes i am concerned about privacy questions and would like to know what's this channel is about
1848154;1536184320;BingoBoingo;Topic: You have reached the public forum of The Most Serene Republic, a terrorist organisation dedicated to the creation of a safe space for the elites to productively defect to, leaving the pantsuit stranded behind. If you'd like to help see http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/ . This channel is logged.
1848155;1536184418;idint;should i stay on this channel if i am interested?
1848156;1536184621;mircea_popescu;not really.
1848157;1536184738;mircea_popescu;teh age of "hi i am mario of so-and-so fiat concern" ended sometime this summer. talk to a lord, make yourself useful, #trilema is not open to the general public.
1848158;1536184877;idint;ah okay, i understood what's you're about, just another typical deliberate cunts found on freenode.
1848159;1536184904;mircea_popescu;right.
1848160;1536185477;nicoleci;mircea_popescu, I can believe that a couple of rentacops sucked you off, but if it is not a true story - as you said (even in the title), then how does it all connect?
1848161;1536185532;mircea_popescu;if it were presented as a "true" story, like so many other items actually so presented on trilema, with documentation unassailable and so on, then it'd have counted for what, an anecdote ?
1848162;1536185548;mircea_popescu;as it is presented, an "untrue" story, it counts as what ? a myth ?
1848163;1536185567;mircea_popescu;neither anecdotes nor myths are a practicable basis for science ; but they're as fine a basis as there could be had for discussion.
1848164;1536185744;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/ << updated, for the minutely minded.
1848165;1536185784;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-05#1848124 << sure did. story is in the l0gz somewhere.
1848166;1536185784;a111;Logged on 2018-09-05 21:01 mircea_popescu: did you throw it all out ?
1848167;1536185794;mircea_popescu;ha! pretty cool story.
1848168;1536185824;asciilifeform;of course in usa 'hung jury' simply means that usg gets to rinse & repeat until desired result
1848169;1536185838;mircea_popescu;meanwhile draining "defendant".
1848170;1536185843;asciilifeform;aha
1848171;1536185855;asciilifeform;usually broke by end of 1st run.
1848172;1536185899;asciilifeform;( supposing he had any moneys to start with, which is nearly unheard of )
1848173;1536191747;asciilifeform;in other noose, trad-gentoo's crossdev is completely rotten nao, tries to build glibc-2.27 (which is broken, as it won't build with any version of 'ld' i was able to find, full stop) EVEN WHEN YOU CROSSDEV ....linux-musl !!
1848174;1536191795;mircea_popescu;tsk.
1848175;1536191811;asciilifeform;i.e. i was not able to build uboot on ANY of my boxen, even on the toilets where gcc5+ exists
1848176;1536191834;mircea_popescu;good thing you have them.
1848177;1536191836;asciilifeform;even on the specially-designated toilet with gcc8 etc
1848178;1536191864;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i had'em for the ice40 thing, which demands such horrors as python3 etc
1848179;1536191907;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: spiffy new subj line btw.
1848180;1536191912;mircea_popescu;i'm just being intolerable for the sake of it. "good thing you have them, they don't work."
1848181;1536191928;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: asciilifeform's collection of dun-works rivals that of any junkyard.
1848182;1536191975;asciilifeform;( and apparently growing, as 'progress' marches on )
1848183;1536192028;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is pioneering internet work, as far as i know never before seen. 1. "here are your options" "omfg i am a special snowflake i won't take any of those" ; 2. "you have no options" "omfg i shoulds have some options!!" "you had."
1848184;1536192047;mircea_popescu;about as common experience of the contemporary mind as gods walking the earth.
1848185;1536192061;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: hollywood had it before, in 'no, mr bond! we expect you to DIE!!'
1848186;1536192074;mircea_popescu;did he die ?
1848187;1536192078;asciilifeform;sadly not
1848188;1536192087;mircea_popescu;then not had.
1848189;1536192275;asciilifeform;!Q later tell trinque how does cuntoo's work, does it have a 'vmerge' tree where e.g. ave1 can stuff his gnat, etc ? cuz that would rock.
1848190;1536192279;asciilifeform;err
1848191;1536192302;asciilifeform;hmm lobbes bot down ?
1848192;1536192417;mircea_popescu;not here at any rate. it's in #eulora tho
1848193;1536192467;asciilifeform;upstack, https://archive.is/WMoLv (warning: entomologists only) << the how&why of uboot 'gcc5+ only' idjicy. tldr: gcc5 silently broke uboot on arm. so the latter was 'fixed' so as to... ONLY gcc5+. in the now-customary way.
1848194;1536192500;asciilifeform;as per http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-26#1632664 lemma.
1848195;1536192500;a111;Logged on 2017-03-26 15:03 mp_en_viaje: basically a novel vector of imperial attack seems to be this "let's take republican items and ~EXPAND~ the downstream so that siberian river attack is then feasible".
1848196;1536192583;mircea_popescu;could just use older ver ? of uboot i mean.
1848197;1536192592;asciilifeform;inescapably must.
1848198;1536192604;asciilifeform;but will have to saw off the board support for rk3399, and weld onto it somehow.
1848199;1536192671;asciilifeform;really i fucking hate uboot, it is a ridiculously overmovingparted crock of shit
1848200;1536192695;trinque;asciilifeform: whatcha mean by vmerge tree?
1848201;1536192724;asciilifeform;trinque: i picture something like emerge, but has own package set, consisting of vtrees
1848202;1536192748;asciilifeform;presses, installs systemwide
1848203;1536192763;asciilifeform;eventually we napalm the old portage/emerge.
1848204;1536192771;trinque;no, that's way too ambitious for first release. first release is just a vtronic ebuild tree
1848205;1536192776;trinque;but that's certainly the way to go
1848206;1536192781;asciilifeform;aite
1848207;1536192817;*;trinque is hamstrung on some irl items atm, but will be working towards release this weekend if not sooner.
1848208;1536193057;asciilifeform;https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/patch/843954/ << dec '17, the moment of liquishitification
1848209;1536193072;asciilifeform;'Move the warning to an error as we have been promising would happen in this release. Signed-off-by: Tom Rini <trini@konsulko.com>'
1848210;1536193078;asciilifeform;^ for mircea_popescu's list.
1848211;1536193795;mircea_popescu;why ty.
1848212;1536193850;mircea_popescu;"Linux is the de facto standard operating system kernel at the core of leading products. Konsulko Group’s experience in embedded Linux architecture, development, build/CI, QA, and maintenance will help you speed your Linux-based products to market."
1848213;1536193893;mircea_popescu;sad sadnesses abound.
1848214;1536193894;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there's nuffin left in the old wood but the termites, and this ^ is what they look like. quite typical.
1848215;1536193941;asciilifeform;btw interestingly, the most recent uboot ~builds~ on ave1's gnat, if one comments out the boobytrap. ( whether the resulting turd ~runs~, i do not yet know, but it builds without eggog)
1848216;1536193962;mod6;Lords and Ladies of TMSR~, the ML is back up and running.  I just want to formally post the State of Bitcoin Address for August: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-September/000309.html
1848217;1536193978;asciilifeform;oh hey
1848218;1536194015;mod6;In other news: Today is BingoBoingo's first day as Pizarro Manager.  Congrats to him!  We'll be working closely together to ensure a smooth transition over the next few months.
1848219;1536194035;mod6;He has accepted the rate of 1 BTC per year for this role.
1848220;1536194104;mod6;!Qcalc ((1/12)*5)
1848221;1536194141;mod6;!Qcalc (1/12)*5
1848222;1536194216;mod6;So that's: 0.41666667 BTC
1848223;1536194290;mod6;I propose that's what we pay ben_vulpes for his services; five months, February through June.  And, I propose a possible consulting fee for his assistance on the books going forward.
1848224;1536194343;mod6;We have set a price point for the month at Pizarro as well, that price is: $6745 USD/BTC
1848225;1536194407;mod6;BingoBoingo will begin sending out invoices within 24 hours, for the month of September.  If you need a price quote before they go out, I can arrange that.
1848226;1536194445;mod6;The exception will be, I will invoice BingoBoingo myself as one can not invoice himself (at least, I don't think you can)?
1848227;1536194508;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-05#1848048 << >D
1848228;1536194508;a111;Logged on 2018-09-05 16:57 mircea_popescu now regrets he didn't get whole.crub
1848229;1536194511;mircea_popescu;i imagine one could.
1848230;1536194531;mod6;mircea_popescu: ah, well, I'll have him give it a try then.
1848231;1536194568;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-05#1848012 << I lel'd
1848232;1536194568;a111;Logged on 2018-09-05 16:40 asciilifeform: there are reportedly folx who want to somehow 'be' horses, or dogs, etc. also.
1848233;1536194588;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-05#1847939 << np. thanks for the update.
1848234;1536194588;a111;Logged on 2018-09-05 14:21 asciilifeform: mod6: i have not forgotten your item; currently drowning in saecular liquishit, but expecting to get to it today
1848235;1536194601;mod6;diana_coman: nice pics
1848236;1536195616;mod6;Also, another bit of news: I've completed a draft of the Pizarro report.  We're needed three more pieces of information and a second pair of eyes for review before it can be published.  We're on it.
1848237;1536196974;mod6;Also in the news, Pizarro has fully paid the "Wildcat Bonus" to BingoBoingo.  The remainder was $2500.  This has been shown on Pizarro statements in the "Fiat Liabilities" table.  It will appear on the August statement as well.  The payment was made September 1st.  So look for that line to come off the fiat liabilities table when the September report is posted in early October.
1848238;1536197248;BingoBoingo;Can confirm
1848239;1536197434;mod6;Hey!
1848240;1536197441;mod6;How we doin with the drive shipment btw?
1848241;1536198086;BingoBoingo;Paperwork done, oping for it this week
1848242;1536198178;mod6;very nice, thank you in advance.
1848243;1536198548;mod6;!!sent-invoices
1848244;1536198553;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/QrqXS/?raw=true
1848245;1536198864;mod6;!!ledger
1848246;1536198870;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/KgfE7/?raw=true
1848247;1536200066;ben_vulpes;so mod6 you want to pay me for services already rendered?
1848248;1536200182;mod6;That's what I was thinking ya.  So instead of 1 BTC for a whole year, as previously agreed, we'd pay ya for the months that you served.
1848249;1536200198;mod6;And going forward, we'd figure out a price upon which you could consult.
1848250;1536200206;mod6;Does that seem fair?
1848251;1536200217;ben_vulpes;not that i want to not get paid, but i don't recall a previous agreement
1848252;1536200253;mod6;Really?  I'm almost certain that somewhere we said 1 BTC for doing the manager role.
1848253;1536200256;*;mod6 looks
1848254;1536200298;ben_vulpes;it's a sticky position, being stuck between my jewish scruples and having zero desire to ding the isp pointlessly.
1848255;1536200327;ben_vulpes;should probably just take the loot lest anyone accuse me of virtue signaling!
1848256;1536200380;mod6;Oooh, I see what it is.  In the charter you were to be assigned 100`000 SSW at a per share price of 0.00001 BTC each.
1848257;1536200504;mod6;Hmm, well, I didn't want to just leave it out there forever, unanswered either.  So, let me know what you want to do, and we'll discuss in here.
1848258;1536200529;mod6;Take your time, doesn't have to be immediately or anything.
1848259;1536200551;ben_vulpes;mod6: trying to give away btc or what
1848260;1536200653;ben_vulpes;mod6: i'm pretty sure that we're all squared up.
1848261;1536200674;mod6;No, not at all.  I just don't want it to go unanswered either.  For insance, it'd be fine with me (asciilifeform?) to simply just take 41`666 shares instead.  mircea_popescu can we do that?
1848262;1536200699;mod6;*for you to just take
1848263;1536200700;ben_vulpes;nono, warrants are the right to purchase shares from the corporation at a price.
1848264;1536200719;mod6;oh i'm cocking this all up arnt i.
1848265;1536200721;ben_vulpes;should i exercise them, the corporation takes in the btc i pay for them and adds them to the cap table.
1848266;1536200757;ben_vulpes;i believe it's topologically identical to a call option that doesn't expire with a strike price of the "per share price".
1848267;1536200765;mod6;Ok, so we're alright then eh - just wanna leave 'em on there.
1848268;1536200810;mod6;I kinda had forgotten that we did shares.  Just had it in my mind that we owed you 1 BTC as of Feb 1. or something.
1848269;1536200843;ben_vulpes;not as far as i can recall.
1848270;1536200857;mod6;yeah, it was the SSWs.  Totally forgot.
1848271;1536200863;mod6;Sorry for the bother.
1848272;1536200883;mod6;That makes it easy anyway :D
1848273;1536200903;ben_vulpes;i'm mock offended at the notion i'd let a liability kick around off sheet
1848274;1536201117;mod6;lol
1848275;1536201439;mod6;I'd like to commend ben_vulpes on his instructions that he gave to Pizarro for how to do the monthly report.  It really got me through it -- and made it easy.
1848276;1536201481;mod6;It took some time, and I don't even begin to claim that I know -everything-, but I'm learning each time, and getting better at it.  Kuddos to him for doing that.
1848277;1536201484;ben_vulpes;once you understand double entry accounting it's not so difficult; glad the documentation made your life easier.
1848278;1536201484;mod6;Much appreciated!
1848279;1536201507;mod6;o7
1848280;1536202026;mod6;im so hungry i could eat a sandwich from the gas station
1848281;1536202193;mircea_popescu;mod6 you can do whatever you two want.
1848282;1536202233;mircea_popescu;in any case, a ssw assignment is not the same as a cash payment.
1848283;1536202288;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-06#1848266 << minus a whole pile of tax wank, just about.
1848284;1536202288;a111;Logged on 2018-09-06 02:25 ben_vulpes: i believe it's topologically identical to a call option that doesn't expire with a strike price of the "per share price".
1848285;1536202344;mircea_popescu;anyway, you want to pro-rate his warrants, you can do that. you want to kick them off the sheet altogether, "didn't complete a term", you can also do that. you want to let them ride, "whatever, he can have the lot", you can also do that.
1848286;1536202349;mircea_popescu;lotta flexibility in your hand.
1848287;1536202385;mod6;Thanks for the info and consideration, Sir.
1848288;1536210744;mircea_popescu;in other http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-20#1378452 : https://www.opensourceshakespeare.org/ aaalmost.
1848289;1536210744;a111;Logged on 2016-01-20 13:16 mircea_popescu: whenever man sits down to do anything, man discovers that he is in all likelihood the first man to have ever sat down to do that one thing.
1848290;1536215112;diana_coman;mod6, cheers!
1848291;1536215155;diana_coman;BingoBoingo, congrats on new position and looking forward to Pizarro's next moves to attract more customers
1848292;1536238144;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/09/seehofer-would-have-joined-anti-immigrant-anti-merkel-protests/ << Qntra - Seehofer: "Would Have Joined" Anti-Immigrant Anti-Merkel Protests
1848293;1536238160;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: ty, gears are grinding to spin up something
1848294;1536244399;mod6;mornin'
1848295;1536244730;Mocky;Hey mod6, how goes?
1848296;1536245136;mod6;nb!
1848297;1536245146;mod6;How's everything goin with you?
1848298;1536245156;mod6;(one of these days I gotta try out your miner.)
1848299;1536245456;Mocky;great, uncovering the depth of local bitcoin market
1848300;1536245668;Mocky;turns out, in NC you can make btc traders eyes pop out of their head by uttering the words 'two bitcoin'
1848301;1536245765;BingoBoingo;lol
1848302;1536246726;BingoBoingo;!!invoice mircea_popescu 0.05780660 S.MG Test Machine (UY3) through September 2018
1848303;1536246730;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/YPnkg/?raw=true
1848304;1536246735;BingoBoingo;!!invoice jurov 0.02100815 BTC Foundation Colo (monthly) through September 2018
1848305;1536246741;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/NNRhp/?raw=true
1848306;1536246750;BingoBoingo;!!invoice trinque 0.02300815 Colo + Shared Hosting through September 2018
1848307;1536246754;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ixibX/?raw=true
1848308;1536246837;BingoBoingo;!!v 2B271652E670F5629C5FA0061EE7D2695FD34DA8BFC718C9EA59C192DF105D47
1848309;1536246840;deedbot;Invoiced mircea_popescu 0.05780660 << S.MG Test Machine (UY3) through September 2018
1848310;1536246852;BingoBoingo;!!v D74FEDE4149A1DF4FE7E7AC018BBF28B20D06164CB0D24F4AD358911AD75394F
1848311;1536246855;deedbot;Invoiced jurov 0.02100815 << BTC Foundation Colo (monthly) through September 2018
1848312;1536246868;BingoBoingo;!!v 5CF40430A311D4A4630B174E6CFEB63D48CBD6228ACFCDE68623E75BF614F8DC
1848313;1536246871;deedbot;Invoiced trinque 0.02300815 << Colo + Shared Hosting through September 2018
1848314;1536247145;BingoBoingo;And mod6 will invoice me for the Rockchip tonight
1848315;1536247409;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-06#1848300 << if you go to dc say hi to either asciilifeform or pdf. or both!
1848316;1536247409;a111;Logged on 2018-09-06 14:54 Mocky: turns out, in NC you can make btc traders eyes pop out of their head by uttering the words 'two bitcoin'
1848317;1536247440;mircea_popescu;Mocky don't do it in a single trade, it's unseemly.
1848318;1536247649;Mocky;was shooting for half a dozen trades, but got an introduction to local trader via meat wot and I mentioned the total I'm selling
1848319;1536247669;mircea_popescu;aha
1848320;1536247689;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform remind me again, which is the short story with the "intelligence handicaps", loud whistles in ears and whatnot ?
1848321;1536247746;mircea_popescu;Mocky bear in mind that you live in gangland, and for some incomprehensible reason the mob decided to steal all moneys.
1848322;1536247800;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-05#548024 << aty.
1848323;1536247800;a111;Logged on 2014-03-05 19:51 asciilifeform: 'harrison bergeron' (k. vonnegut)
1848324;1536248228;mod6;Thanks BingoBoingo!
1848325;1536250773;BingoBoingo;yw
1848326;1536251262;ben_vulpes;in very-expensive-janitors-and-their-buckets-of-petrol nyooz: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/sep/05/space-station-air-leak-someone-drilled-the-hole-say-russians
1848327;1536255572;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: seekrit plot to save $B's from ru budget!1111
1848328;1536255613;asciilifeform;( aint as if the boondoggle-station comes with dealership replacement warranty... )
1848329;1536266158;mircea_popescu;ah man that's a fucking relief.
1848330;1536266324;asciilifeform;woah mega-txt
1848331;1536266364;mircea_popescu;i said!
1848332;1536266870;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/surprised-by-joy-the-shape-of-my-early-life-adnotated/ << Trilema - Surprised By Joy -- The shape of my early life. Adnotated.
1848333;1536267517;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, it seems to have replaced "rr" with "nn"? "innelevant" and "annives" , it gets arroying after a while
1848334;1536267692;mircea_popescu;dumbass scanner.
1848335;1536267819;mircea_popescu;anyway, fixed those, lemme know if moar.
1848336;1536267924;mircea_popescu;o btw, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-05#1847996 <<->> http://trilema.com/2018/surprised-by-joy-the-shape-of-my-early-life-adnotated/#selection-579.558-589.38
1848337;1536267924;a111;Logged on 2018-09-05 16:31 mircea_popescu: there's a bit in the piece i am working right now which i'd like to reference ehre.
1848338;1536268589;diana_coman;working through it, pass 1; anyways: "sunnoundings"
1848339;1536268624;diana_coman;and "connesponding"
1848340;1536274704;BingoBoingo;In other Throw Back Thursday, the Koreans bought CCP, the Eve Online developer
1848341;1536276185;mircea_popescu;that thing still existrs ?
1848342;1536276366;mircea_popescu;diana_coman further fixed ; say if you see even mora
1848343;1536276383;BingoBoingo;Apparently it does
1848344;1536276560;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/09/pantsuit-activist-and-lula-apologist-stabs-gravely-wounds-brasilero-great-again-candidate-jair-bolsonaro/ << Qntra - Pantsuit Activist And Lula Apologist Stabs, Gravely Wounds Brasilero Great Again Candidate Jair Bolsonaro
1848345;1536277030;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/periplus-1.jpg
1848346;1536277748;mircea_popescu;hanbot btw http://trilema.com/2015/views-from-a-shithole-or-periplus-through-stupidity/#comment-114149 404s ?
1848347;1536282313;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: funnily enuff, asciilifeform's intake of c. s. lewis was in 1991, he was not printed afaik in su, but hey, perestroika, and suddenly translated and printed on toiletpaper and sold at fleamarket by crypto-evangiderps. brother picked up the series, i barfed on vol.2 where lion jizzus dies 'for our sins', fin.
1848348;1536282350;mircea_popescu;is this the middle earth one, the battlestar one, or which one is he anyway ?
1848349;1536282378;asciilifeform;the narnia series.
1848350;1536282401;asciilifeform;( and buncha unrelated , e.g. 'screwtape letters', possibly his 1 decent item )
1848351;1536282411;mircea_popescu;jesus i didn't even read that one.
1848352;1536282413;mircea_popescu;so it's not the guy who "invented" orcs ?
1848353;1536282418;asciilifeform;nein
1848354;1536282421;asciilifeform;0 orcs in csl.
1848355;1536282435;mircea_popescu;so not the whole lord of the ring thing ?
1848356;1536282439;asciilifeform;nope
1848357;1536282447;asciilifeform;that was his bottle buddy j.r.r.t.
1848358;1536282449;mircea_popescu;i see.
1848359;1536282461;asciilifeform;( jrrt, funnily, was the catholic )
1848360;1536282469;BingoBoingo;In other news, look at the "preferred" rate on the Argentine peso: 0.56-1.16 or in dollares 59.29-27.413
1848361;1536282485;mircea_popescu;well, my recipient for this stuff is well empty, and i suspect it takes a while to refill.
1848362;1536282499;asciilifeform;jrrt by some accounts did not even set out to write fiction, he was linguist, wanted some place to dump his conlangolade.
1848363;1536282500;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo is this a good thing ?
1848364;1536282520;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and a papist!!!
1848365;1536282526;asciilifeform;indeed
1848366;1536282559;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well, Argentine peso is solidly worse than Uruguayo peso now and keeps diving. 60 pesos Argentinos to buy a USD
1848367;1536282600;mircea_popescu;that must rankle the argentards.
1848368;1536282613;BingoBoingo;And how
1848369;1536282630;mircea_popescu;(trump was proferring his "full support": for macri at the fmi. thoiugh i much doubt the fmi has any money to burn on that dead end)
1848370;1536282646;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what was it at the time of c3, 13 ar.peso / 1 $ ?
1848371;1536282653;mircea_popescu;yup.
1848372;1536282662;mircea_popescu;up from 8.
1848373;1536282683;*;asciilifeform recalls mircea_popescu wandering off, 'brb, buying some 8bux billz'
1848374;1536282684;mircea_popescu;was 16 by the time i left, and i see coupla years ago it well... OFFICIALLY almost doubled, really more than tripled.
1848375;1536282688;BingoBoingo;When I got here it was ~20 to 25
1848376;1536282716;mircea_popescu;one of the most satisfying things i ever did in my entire life was contribute my contribution to the ending of that shithole.
1848377;1536282733;mircea_popescu;hopefully they venezuela before tghe decade's out.
1848378;1536282777;asciilifeform;iirc they venezuelaed as recently as '01. (shitholes apparently are rechargeable)
1848379;1536282799;mircea_popescu;didn't last nearly enough.
1848380;1536282815;BingoBoingo;August ended with the Argentine pesos still floating near parity with the peso Uruguayp http://bingology.net/2018/08/27/peso-watch-august-edition/
1848381;1536282837;asciilifeform;oh hey retitled
1848382;1536282851;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: 301'd
1848383;1536282898;mircea_popescu;i hope they starve ; to the last man.
1848384;1536282943;BingoBoingo;Well, Chinese are buying all their frozen cows and Turks with their issues are still buying all their standing cows
1848385;1536282955;asciilifeform;somehow this never seems to happen to bankrupt orcistans, instead usg prints a few extra pallets and buys'em
1848386;1536283032;asciilifeform;( the point of doing this, escapes me , but seems to be the rule )
1848387;1536283059;mircea_popescu;oh, us buying argentina ? yes, please.
1848388;1536283074;mircea_popescu;i can take argentines starving slightly later if they sink usg along.
1848389;1536283078;BingoBoingo;They can have nothing together!
1848390;1536283086;mircea_popescu;purrfect!
1848391;1536283090;asciilifeform;it'd even begin to make sense if they bought'em up to make long pig pepperoni. but no, they buy to 'biznis as usual'
1848392;1536283106;BingoBoingo;Walmartists will love Argentine flavored plasticrap!
1848393;1536283130;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: lol wat plastic. i dun think the ar folx at this point can even make molds.
1848394;1536283171;asciilifeform;where was that mircea_popescu piece, with the electric heaters
1848395;1536283176;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: AHA, that's how you identify Argentine plasticrap! Clearly out of spec
1848396;1536283191;asciilifeform;the ones with charred crud where the thermosetting plastic might otherwise be
1848397;1536283195;BingoBoingo;http://trilema.com/2016/cargo-cults-a-case-study/
1848398;1536283206;asciilifeform;^ yes
1848399;1536283217;mircea_popescu;really the two idiotistans are made for one another.
1848400;1536283233;mircea_popescu;comparably large, too!
1848401;1536283251;BingoBoingo;Comparably empty
1848402;1536283347;mod6;!!invoice BingoBoingo 0.03335804 Pizarro Invoice for Quarterly RockChip rental through December 31st 2018
1848403;1536283354;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/xVq5e/?raw=true
1848404;1536283361;BingoBoingo;tyvm
1848405;1536283371;mod6;yw
1848406;1536283445;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: didja ever do a brazil piece ?
1848407;1536283466;mircea_popescu;i did some brazillian pieces, but never actually visited brazil.
1848408;1536283515;asciilifeform;asciilifeform is specifically curious, re why brazil, afaik the 1 serious country in the whole landmass, is also half dour shithole ( asciilifeform's extended wot includes at least 1 d00d who went to brazil for physics conf and came back as 'cargo 200' , so i suspect the reputation aint entirely mythical )
1848409;1536283542;mircea_popescu;i was going to go to rio, for about the same sort of "oh, great party!" naivite that had me go to argentina. in the light of experience i had the relevant parts researched, and now i know i don't want to go to the rio festival in the late 2010s anymore than i want to buy real estate in miami.
1848410;1536283589;mircea_popescu;if the year were 1918, i'd definitely go. as it is, holy shit no.
1848411;1536283605;BingoBoingo;That meshes with what I hear of Rio
1848412;1536283633;asciilifeform;hey, street punks with ak's, caterpillars that bind cholinesterase on contact, zika, what's not to like!111
1848413;1536283658;BingoBoingo;They apparently have a lot of blue/pink haired fattys now
1848414;1536283659;mod6;!!v 9EA51737802D7E8C7221B73DC5FB90F343C2CDB62E5F77F65385F152B7E7CE85
1848415;1536283663;deedbot;Invoiced BingoBoingo 0.03335804 << Pizarro Invoice for Quarterly RockChip rental through December 31st 2018
1848416;1536283674;mircea_popescu;cheap negress & mulato whores dancing naked in the streets because why the hell not is one thing. but "organization" and pantsuitism-- never.
1848417;1536283686;asciilifeform;oh ya and also these
1848418;1536283705;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, this latest trilema piece references no less than fifty-six other trilema articles.
1848419;1536283716;mircea_popescu;what the fuck would i do without this thing ?! trilema is not possible without itself.
1848420;1536283835;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> cheap negress & mulato whores dancing naked in the streets because why the hell not is one thing. but "organization" and pantsuitism-- never. << I have heard these places still exist in Brazil, but not from people who live there or who spend more than a couple days at a time.
1848421;1536283909;mircea_popescu;and certainly not fucking rio, and certainly not during the festival.
1848422;1536283921;mircea_popescu;but yes, "countryside". why the fuck would i bother, it's to ohot and too humid.
1848423;1536283924;mircea_popescu;let them learn to irc.
1848424;1536283956;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> but yes, "countryside". why the fuck would i bother, it's to ohot and too humid. << This and the marijuana is why Uruguay gets away with pretending to have an economy
1848425;1536284055;BingoBoingo;In still other news about 2 blocks away 10 construction workers fell, they just wanted to diy scaffolding...
1848426;1536284173;mircea_popescu;ouch
1848427;1536284329;BingoBoingo;Seriously, 7 meter fall from groundish level to the hole they were building in
1848428;1536284635;BingoBoingo;Of course the inspectors are being very serious about how the wood scaffolding failed yesterday and not today
1848429;1536284671;BingoBoingo;Construction site in question was on the Rambla so a bunch of one way streets were direction reversed to great confusion
1848430;1536284679;mircea_popescu;jesus
1848431;1536284692;mircea_popescu;they should never have told orcs about 1 way streets. they're not ready for the magic yet.
1848432;1536284707;mircea_popescu;do you know how many fucking times it's happened here car was going on road, continued to go on road WHICH WAS NOW WRONG WAY ?!
1848433;1536284715;BingoBoingo;Wasn't too bad for me. I walk
1848434;1536284759;mircea_popescu;this is like "oh, cancer... i don't have it". MAYBE ONE DAY YOU DO MOTHERFUCKER!!1
1848435;1536284775;mircea_popescu;what then!!! it'll suck!!!
1848436;1536284939;BingoBoingo;Well, there also aren't cars here. And the policia was directing trafffic with their AK's so my first though was one of the Cambios was robbed
1848437;1536284971;mircea_popescu;ahaha they give aks to traffic police ?!
1848438;1536285010;BingoBoingo;Well, there's only one real police. Airport security is the airforce and water/beach security is the Navy/Tourism police
1848439;1536285042;*;mircea_popescu imagines a proportional armament, "swat teams" equipped with plastic reproductions of Pumhart von Steyr, very Brasil-like visual.
1848440;1536285067;BingoBoingo;The police here never know when they are going to have to babysit ATM refills
1848441;1536285081;BingoBoingo;hello
1848442;1536285093;mircea_popescu;hi
1848443;1536285107;BingoBoingo;I am explaining to the Peruana that you have boats
1848444;1536285130;mircea_popescu;does she ?
1848445;1536285153;BingoBoingo;SHe does not, but you have yachts and baby turtles
1848446;1536285175;mircea_popescu;and dragon fruit!
1848447;1536285180;mircea_popescu;you ever had one of those things btw ?
1848448;1536285216;BingoBoingo;I have not, ella no se como se dice esos en español
1848449;1536285237;mircea_popescu;Pitaya
1848450;1536285242;mircea_popescu;cactus fruit.
1848451;1536285260;mircea_popescu;pitahaya*
1848452;1536285326;BingoBoingo;brb
1848453;1536292682;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-06#1848344 << if they STILL don't burn down the us "embassy" / stick in the salt mines any lizzard-looking dork...
1848454;1536292682;a111;Logged on 2018-09-06 23:29 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/09/pantsuit-activist-and-lula-apologist-stabs-gravely-wounds-brasilero-great-again-candidate-jair-bolsonaro/ << Qntra - Pantsuit Activist And Lula Apologist Stabs, Gravely Wounds Brasilero Great Again Candidate Jair Bolsonaro
1848455;1536297795;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/idle-inquiry/ << Trilema - Idle inquiry...
1848456;1536315502;diana_coman;mircea_popescu: sonnow, sunnounded, tennified, annangement, annangements, embannassment, annogant, occunned,
1848457;1536315572;diana_coman;innelevance
1848458;1536315609;diana_coman;!!up rain1
1848459;1536315610;deedbot;rain1 voiced for 30 minutes.
1848460;1536315614;rain1;thanks
1848461;1536315615;diana_coman;who are you rain1 ?
1848462;1536315737;rain1;i never know how to answer that. I work on some code projects
1848463;1536315823;diana_coman;all right; what was it you needed voice for?
1848464;1536315864;rain1;I wanted to ask if anybody knew how twitter image filenames were derived from the file content. there's a bit of info about the url structure but no explanation which hash algorithm is used
1848465;1536316069;diana_coman;I doubt twitter really interested anyone around here all that much; what does it matter how twitter picks image filenames?
1848466;1536316135;rain1;ok sorry
1848467;1536316213;diana_coman;rain1, no need to be sorry, just answer the question
1848468;1536316243;rain1;someone did a trick where they put some text in the filename, kinda like how you get novelty bitcoin addresses. and i was wondering how to do it
1848469;1536316293;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, that Kirk fellow sounds great and I'd rather have read something written by him than lewis
1848470;1536316408;diana_coman;rain1, ok, so you want to do some trick that some other guy did; but still not clear how does it ...matter
1848471;1536316425;diana_coman;logically speaking you should ask that guy anywya
1848472;1536316600;diana_coman;rain1, you know, since you work on some code projects, why don't you play eulora and work any tricks you want with the client code there - perhaps even the sort of tricks that can give your char an edge so you earn actual bitcoin
1848473;1536318054;diana_coman;rain2, do you have anything else to say? tricks get tiresome rather quickly
1848474;1536318063;rain2;no
1848475;1536326639;mircea_popescu;diana_coman fixed sonnow, tennified, annangement/s, embannassment,  annogant ; sunnoundedm occunned, were already fixed somehow. thanks!
1848476;1536326674;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-07#1848461 << plox not to do this "who are you" upping anymore.
1848477;1536326674;a111;Logged on 2018-09-07 10:20 diana_coman: who are you rain1 ?
1848478;1536326728;diana_coman;no upping unless known, k
1848479;1536326749;mircea_popescu;the implication of upping someone is that you've been personally training them, and they've been personally serving you, for some strech sufficient enough so that either a) you can answer my questions about them to my satisfaction or else b) fail a you judge your unrating them is sufficient undoing for their sins.
1848480;1536326815;mircea_popescu;upping someone new, i mean.
1848481;1536326896;diana_coman;the name faintly sounded a bell and he had actually been in here before but just like this time failed to have any real reason for having voice; anyways, it was still older habit at work, no longer appropriate
1848482;1536326904;diana_coman;!!down rain2
1848483;1536326937;mircea_popescu;yeah. many years, but all stretches eventually end.
1848484;1536326958;mircea_popescu;on the flip side, the lengthy need to watch the join/parts entirely evaporated ; erryone can just turn that off and never again mind it.
1848485;1536327171;mircea_popescu;diana_coman i suppose we have a "reputation" among the script kiddies ahem i mean "hackers" etcetera.
1848486;1536327386;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-07#1848469 << http://archive.is/A0d5e ; not much remains, even his biography has the fat fagot's face instead.
1848487;1536327386;a111;Logged on 2018-09-07 10:31 diana_coman: mircea_popescu, that Kirk fellow sounds great and I'd rather have read something written by him than lewis
1848488;1536327391;diana_coman;that's what it sounded to me too although I'd have thought there was more than "they know stuff" to whatever reputation there might be there; then again, sorrying one's way out of answering a question is the same pick and choose approach so not surprising
1848489;1536327425;mircea_popescu;"At Queen's College he had a distinguished academic career, graduating (in July, 1868) with 1st class honours in English, History and Metaphysics."
1848490;1536327443;mircea_popescu;unlike the 1918s set, these were earned.
1848491;1536327497;mircea_popescu;but yes, this "choosing" thing's pretty much the only thing left in the anglotard mind. they'll fuzz you out!
1848492;1536327557;diana_coman;I must say that I read lewis' narnia very late, mainly to see what the whole buzz was all about but it seemed a very poor and sorry thing to me so I still don't know what is supposed to be amazing about it
1848493;1536327599;rain2;mircea_popescu: did you just call me scipt kiddy
1848494;1536327616;mircea_popescu;!!down rain2
1848495;1536328276;mircea_popescu;"From the 1750s, as with other Oxford colleges, standards dropped." << i'd say for the record that's about the right cutoff. by the time victorian period was starting, poor oxford was well threadbare already.
1848496;1536328490;mircea_popescu;incidentally, the britain-france paralleles are amusing. stage 1 : the french decide to end feudalism in bloodshed ; the brits copy them same half century later, escept the bloodshed is of maidenheads, in industrialist's beds ;
1848497;1536328513;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what do you suppose killed oxford ?
1848498;1536328530;mircea_popescu;stage 2 : the french grasp that the end of feudalism is not "progress", but literal "the end", proceed to huge party called napoleon ; the brits copy them some half century later, except their idea of a party is victorian england
1848499;1536328532;mircea_popescu;and so following.
1848500;1536328545;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform husbands stopped beating their wives.
1848501;1536328550;asciilifeform;( or do i misframe the q, and it simply exhausted its allotted life tank )
1848502;1536328559;mircea_popescu;it wasn't a "moral" or ethical concern that did it, either. it was sheer disinterest.
1848503;1536328586;mircea_popescu;well, you never know, world's not exactly a lab. but it seems to me the beating is at the core of it.
1848504;1536328607;asciilifeform;i.e. unbeat, they brought up lewises?
1848505;1536328622;mircea_popescu;"au devenit foarte, foarte triste"
1848506;1536328626;mircea_popescu;they became sad.
1848507;1536328701;asciilifeform;how do you say in eng пойти вразнос ? i.e. when engine governor fails and it redlines and burns
1848508;1536328788;mircea_popescu;i dunno anything burned.
1848509;1536328828;asciilifeform;the wives, in this model
1848510;1536328883;mircea_popescu;if you stop taking your hunting dog out to hunts, does it burn ?
1848511;1536328900;BingoBoingo;Yes
1848512;1536328904;asciilifeform;surely does
1848513;1536329086;BingoBoingo;Not burst into flames, but slowly smolders as nervous wreck
1848514;1536329099;asciilifeform;btw not only engines. e.g. old atx power brick will also, if run with 0 load
1848515;1536329117;asciilifeform;this is pretty common phenomenon in mechanisms.
1848516;1536329201;asciilifeform;meanwhile in entomology dept, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/K9jvy/?raw=true
1848517;1536329306;asciilifeform;evidently not errybody noticed mircea_popescu's new subjline for #t.
1848518;1536329470;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: in rf amps , also, if antenna mis-impedance'd (and 'run without antenna' is merely special case of same) energy reflected back into amp and it, likewise, smoulders, soon begins to exhale its magic smoke
1848519;1536329492;BingoBoingo;lol, the no talking to stangers thing has been a standard for at least a couple years now
1848520;1536329606;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i'm willing to talk to 'hey i read ffa and in ch4 you missed this-here obvious optimization, here's proof'. but 'hi i am reddit, hear me roar' can go the fuck perma-away.
1848521;1536329697;BingoBoingo;Ah like the Mario 'I R Hakkker fellow'
1848522;1536329859;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: my house dun have an airlock, so sometimes flies go in. they neither know or care that the only thing waiting for flies inside is 5000 volts.
1848523;1536329870;asciilifeform;it is simply how flies are, they move ~randomly
1848524;1536330153;asciilifeform;notably, larger pests, e.g. racooons, seem to be smarter, they've mostly stopped showing up.
1848525;1536330237;asciilifeform;( hey pests! perhaps some of you can read ? guess wat, 'delish food smell' + 'inexplicably none of my kind in there' means 5000 volts! )
1848526;1536330242;asciilifeform;prolly is all there is to be said on subj.
1848527;1536330792;rain2;you've spent a lot of lines insulting me so if I may respond? you seem to have made totally false assumption about me. I just thought it was an interesting topic and that people would be interested here. I stopped talking about it when they said it was uninteresting. No need to paint me like some adversary.. I just wanted to talk to fun people.
1848528;1536331014;BingoBoingo;!!down rain2
1848529;1536331135;BingoBoingo;!!gettrust rain2
1848530;1536331136;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 1 by 1 connections.
1848531;1536331151;BingoBoingo;!!gettrust deedbot rain2
1848532;1536331152;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 2 by 2 connections.
1848533;1536333019;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: what i dun get , is what all of these folx are hoping to find here. outside of the flies model, i got nuffin.
1848534;1536333198;BingoBoingo;Everyone wants to hang out with the cool kids?
1848535;1536333233;asciilifeform;'eat stone soup, contributing the stone' or how did mircea_popescu formulate it.
1848536;1536333402;Mocky;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-18#1826621
1848537;1536333402;a111;Logged on 2018-06-18 21:03 asciilifeform: i.e. 'hi i am goat and i expect this to work just like all goat pens i've sat in'
1848538;1536333429;asciilifeform;aha
1848539;1536343373;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/09/new-paraguay-president-stands-up-to-usg-and-zionists-moves-embassy-out-of-jerusalem/ << Qntra - New Paraguay President Stands Up To USG And Zionists, Moves Embassy Out Of Jerusalem
1848540;1536344358;jurov;!!v C39DA8F54D517A1B79CB3E824F6DEF1AA151159867CDA38136D1BC5EA37F29E8
1848541;1536344361;deedbot;jurov paid BingoBoingo invoice 1
1848542;1536344601;mod6;Thanks jurov!
1848543;1536344824;BingoBoingo;tyvm
1848544;1536344838;jurov;yw
1848545;1536363295;asciilifeform;mod6: i tested you rk drive blockwise: it has no physical defects
1848546;1536363320;asciilifeform;mod6: i enabled root login on the thing with temporary pw, lessee if it comes up
1848547;1536363338;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: at your earliest chance plz pull mod6's stick from dulap, re-emplace into his unit, and power up
1848548;1536363399;asciilifeform;in other noose, not only reading but writing the c101pa's boot rom worx. however, a build of rk3399 demo uboot does ~not~ bring up anyffing that produces debug uart output.
1848549;1536363433;asciilifeform;the reason for this, i do not know, could be the gcc6 idjicy (my uboot , once i nixed the check for gcc6, builds without eggogs, but who's to say re output), or could be wrong magic turd, or who the fuck knows
1848550;1536363455;asciilifeform;uboot on c101pa promises to be a long and painful dig.
1848551;1536363511;asciilifeform;writing the rom per se takes ~15min, with the snake.
1848552;1536363666;asciilifeform;one possible path could be to start with google's crapola 'depthcharge' booter src, but it won't build (tried) with standard tooling, and currently i haven't a box where to put their horror show
1848553;1536363970;asciilifeform;asked in the derp chan, https://irclog.whitequark.org/linux-rockchip/2018-09-07#23015323 , just on the off chance, but i expect 0 answer beyond the usual amstan type , i.e. 'fuck off and eat vendor liquishit'
1848554;1536364495;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: ty
1848555;1536366126;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-07#1848517 << "da people" have "rights" and whatnot is it.
1848556;1536366126;a111;Logged on 2018-09-07 14:08 asciilifeform: evidently not errybody noticed mircea_popescu's new subjline for #t.
1848557;1536366266;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-07#1848532 << jesus seriously !?
1848558;1536366266;a111;Logged on 2018-09-07 14:39 deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 2 by 2 connections.
1848559;1536366324;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-07#1848533 << you rated him!
1848560;1536366324;a111;Logged on 2018-09-07 15:10 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what i dun get , is what all of these folx are hoping to find here. outside of the flies model, i got nuffin.
1848561;1536366411;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-07#1848552 << prolly, until you get a countour map at least.
1848562;1536366411;a111;Logged on 2018-09-07 23:41 asciilifeform: one possible path could be to start with google's crapola 'depthcharge' booter src, but it won't build (tried) with standard tooling, and currently i haven't a box where to put their horror show
1848563;1536366585;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: contour ?
1848564;1536366613;mircea_popescu;whether some magic bitpile goes in somewhere, for instance.
1848565;1536366636;mircea_popescu;get an idea of whereabouts they've been clever.
1848566;1536366675;asciilifeform;it isn't so much a 'clever' but that there's a whole pile of iron drivers
1848567;1536366690;mircea_popescu;or that, i guess.
1848568;1536366692;asciilifeform;some of which aint in the demo rk3399
1848569;1536366797;asciilifeform;all i really need from the bootrom is to do what uboot on pogo did, i.e. see the disks ( internal ssd, usb, sd ) , read some classic partitions ( e.g. ext3 ), load kernels ( in human, not google, format ) and present pogo-style uboot cmdline for these.
1848570;1536366871;asciilifeform;initially i assumed that stock rk3399 uboot will do ~something~ detectable, even tho it lacks support for the lcd or the oddball kbd chip, given as i have uart
1848571;1536366878;asciilifeform;but nodice, nuffin on uart
1848572;1536366934;mircea_popescu;well, so see what googleturd does differently.
1848573;1536366934;mircea_popescu;but yes this promises to be a slog.
1848574;1536366981;mircea_popescu;maybe not even bother building it, just scan through
1848575;1536366995;asciilifeform;it's a 8MB turd
1848576;1536367014;mircea_popescu;so grep through it for half an hour, what's it cost.
1848577;1536367040;asciilifeform;been digging through it all summer, on an' off
1848578;1536367063;asciilifeform;it's a ~completely diff codebase from stock uboot
1848579;1536367124;asciilifeform;interestingly, the dram init turd differs from the stock rk3399. and doesn't seem to be published in their repo. i'd like to try ripping theirs, but so far not even able to determine where it ends and their booter begins
1848580;1536367132;asciilifeform;( i.e. where to cut )
1848581;1536367309;asciilifeform;the biggest headache is to get to where ~something~ gets shat forth from the rk uart.
1848582;1536367322;asciilifeform;after that, 'only stamp collecting'
1848583;1536367467;mircea_popescu;hm
1848584;1536367622;asciilifeform;then can debug. until then - blind
1848585;1536367683;asciilifeform;( or to use trad terminology, 'bricked'. tho i have 'unbricker' nao, possibly the only one outside of the inca palace for this iron )
1848586;1536367832;asciilifeform;( unbricker worx 100% btw, when flash back vendor shitware, it runs as before )
1848587;1536367937;mircea_popescu;not bad.
1848588;1536370701;mircea_popescu;in other lulz : Margot Asquith (very much a stupid cunt, of the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-05#1810279 pile of garbage) once met hane jarlow, who promptly mispronounced her name. to which the "wit" cleanly retorted : "no, no, the t is silent, like in harlow".
1848589;1536370701;a111;Logged on 2018-05-05 18:05 mircea_popescu: aand in other items of entomological interest, the wikipedia take on politicized pseudo-literary criticism is something else. aphra behn is lionized, because they're ever-so-desperate to discover, invent or if need be entirely hallucinate "remarkable" cuntbearers of the shakespeare period that some random jailbird is A HEROINE OF FEMINISM!!!
1848590;1536372484;mod6;!!sent-invoices
1848591;1536372489;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/NYTUT/?raw=true
1848592;1536372509;mod6;!!ledger
1848593;1536372514;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/RFJa0/?raw=true
1848594;1536374842;mircea_popescu;aand in other news, fatty galore meet egon wheels.
1848595;1536375370;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what are these ?
1848596;1536375373;asciilifeform;either of them
1848597;1536377823;mircea_popescu;funny names!
1848598;1536378783;asciilifeform;!!rated rain2
1848599;1536378783;deedbot;asciilifeform rated rain2 1 at 2018/08/10 16:08:51 << small scheme interpreters
1848600;1536378790;asciilifeform;!!unrate rain2
1848601;1536378793;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/bgh9W/?raw=true
1848602;1536378817;asciilifeform;!!v B0916DF72D0D8B55B04D25FE18D18DA4722DA8BEC54900153989D64ADAF181F4
1848603;1536378817;deedbot;asciilifeform unrated rain2.
1848604;1536378873;asciilifeform;!!rate cnomad -1 ran off with mp's bitcent.
1848605;1536378876;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ir29d/?raw=true
1848606;1536378896;asciilifeform;!!v 94005A51C972A4B69CE9AEF8AF0B3F5BEB36900CF29652483D353203684A9ADB
1848607;1536378896;deedbot;asciilifeform updated rating of cnomad from 1 to -1 << ran off with mp's bitcent.
1848608;1536378915;asciilifeform;!!unrate b41e209ccc264812
1848609;1536378918;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/hz7eu/?raw=true
1848610;1536378936;asciilifeform;!!v F39A43AFF1A7387C523D765988F0CD19E01850895DB8E2681E7804809FD3B087
1848611;1536378936;deedbot;asciilifeform unrated b41e209ccc264812.
1848612;1536379704;asciilifeform;!Q later tell phf lemme know if you want the magic pill recipe + patched flashrom util for c101pa .
1848613;1536379705;lobbesbot;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1848614;1536379715;asciilifeform;oh hey bot alive, nice
1848615;1536379765;asciilifeform;^ afaik phf is currently the only other l1 fella with this iron
1848616;1536379792;asciilifeform;!#s seen phf
1848617;1536379792;a111;83 results for "seen phf", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=seen%20phf
1848618;1536379795;asciilifeform;err
1848619;1536379798;asciilifeform;!#seen phf
1848620;1536379798;a111;2018-08-23 <phf> 1st of emigres to go straight into natostan * were serious world-class talent, others worked cashier jobs
1848621;1536379808;asciilifeform;possibly still at sea
1848622;1536379928;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: is 'egon wheels' a back alley pill pusher ?
1848623;1536379937;asciilifeform;somehow i can't picture him as anyffing else
1848624;1536380711;mircea_popescu;read it outloud lol
1848625;1536416967;mircea_popescu;in random lulz : i re-watched flawless (of http://trilema.com/2013/the-typologies-of-homosexuality-reprint/#selection-153.28-153.74 fame) and omfg is it a piece of agitprop to make sovfilm proud! the drag queen may be a female impersonator, but the "retired hero cop" (ie, very much a http://trilema.com/2018/the-night-of-the-hunter/#selection-133.0-133.544 type character) "is a male impersonator". because see, gender ideals ar
1848626;1536416967;mircea_popescu;e just that, ideals, AND THEREFORE WONT YOU AGREE FAGGOTS ARE HUMAN TOO!!!
1848627;1536417045;mircea_popescu;it really should be watched side to side with http://trilema.com/2015/very-bad-things/ (a deeply religious piece about how whores aren't all thart cool and die for it whereas worthless "good" girlie's a very unique being that every male gotta worship!!!)
1848628;1536417169;mircea_popescu;vhs america might be ridoinculous enough, in its evanescent existence in the mind of a very selected few (principally, sovblok immigrants) ; but "cultural marxism" america is holy shit hysterical.
1848629;1536417215;mircea_popescu;to a large degree for the same fgucking reason, i suppose : that it only ever existed in the mind of a very select few, who however didn't have the excuse of poverty, or of distance, or of so very many other things that protect the rusophone moron from the full brunt of his wilful stupidity.
1848630;1536417253;mircea_popescu;the cab driver with a leningrad doctorate, gone to new york to "this is america!" is almost endearing ; the iowa farm girl gone to new york to "i r become a writer" is just...
1848631;1536419760;diana_coman;in other travelling news: child was asked what did he see in costa rica? and he answered truthfully : he saw...Hannah aka hanbot
1848632;1536419776;diana_coman;I can't say I don't see his logic there
1848633;1536419937;diana_coman;from his point of view and at further prodding it sort of turned out that monkeys are funny, macaws are nice and the ocean + sand ok but by far the most interesting and important is meeting Hannah
1848634;1536419953;mircea_popescu;ehehe HE IS RIGHT! in spite of his young years!
1848635;1536420033;diana_coman;I'm actually impressed that the chateaubriand did not feature on 2nd place at least, lol
1848636;1536420063;mircea_popescu;lol
1848637;1536420555;mircea_popescu;see asciilifeform ? it keeps happening!
1848638;1536420565;asciilifeform;which it
1848639;1536420574;*;asciilifeform eats log..
1848640;1536420590;mircea_popescu;"i met hanbot ; life changed thereon
1848641;1536420599;asciilifeform;a
1848642;1536420614;*;asciilifeform just woke up, finished disentangling cabling from last night
1848643;1536420749;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-08#1848630 << very similar characters imho
1848644;1536420749;a111;Logged on 2018-09-08 14:34 mircea_popescu: the cab driver with a leningrad doctorate, gone to new york to "this is america!" is almost endearing ; the iowa farm girl gone to new york to "i r become a writer" is just...
1848645;1536420764;mircea_popescu;in the sense junkie similar to junkie.
1848646;1536420769;asciilifeform;well yes
1848647;1536420853;asciilifeform;sometimes ~entirely identical -- i recall reading of one physics d00d who was convinced that he will 'get rich' in nyc, selling... poetry
1848648;1536420960;hanbot;lol diana_coman ! kiddo's expertly-annunciated "a bit!" lives on in daily interjection here.
1848649;1536421029;mircea_popescu;hanbot somewhat!
1848650;1536421076;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: hah, pretty interesting : the dram turds differ by... 3 bytes
1848651;1536421122;mircea_popescu;well then!
1848652;1536421156;diana_coman;hanbot, lol!
1848653;1536421178;mircea_popescu;i's true, actually. QUITE A LOT!
1848654;1536421280;diana_coman;this reminds of that time when they had a "drama taster" at nursery and I asked him whether he liked it: "I liked it; a bit; not as much as playing with the hammer!"
1848655;1536421344;mircea_popescu;lamo
1848656;1536421591;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform amusingly enough, i knew a chick like that ; she was going to get her big break in poetry IN CLUJ
1848657;1536421613;mircea_popescu;at a time if you put the whole population in a shaking machine you wouldn't have likely shaken a million loose.
1848658;1536421665;mircea_popescu;kids that grow up like c.s.lewis, ie forsaken, end up with a sorely overgrown notion of the importance of the self.
1848659;1536421677;asciilifeform;i suspect you can get moar 'big break' selling wine to winos, than the written word, in whatever form
1848660;1536421728;mircea_popescu;but people WANT TO "big break" from "writing". it's sorta like women who aspire to be paid for fucking.
1848661;1536421734;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i find it interesting that ww1 didn't cure him
1848662;1536421740;mircea_popescu;if i were a snail, i suppose i also would want to be paid for leaving slime trails.
1848663;1536421740;asciilifeform;( then again , spain did not cure orwell )
1848664;1536421771;asciilifeform;orwell was ~nearly~ cured, but german sniper aimed a bit low
1848665;1536421783;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/say-mr-why-is-your-name-popescu/ << Trilema - Say Mr... why is your name Popescu ?
1848666;1536421941;asciilifeform;paulgraham -- before turning into the infamous huckster -- had a piece where 'which biznis should you get into if you LUVV gardening?' '...recovering data from damaged hard disks!'
1848667;1536421960;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ww1 was not what you imagine. the controlloing aspects are http://trilema.com/2018/surprised-by-joy-the-shape-of-my-early-life-adnotated/#selection-3045.2154-3045.2200 in the theoretical and http://trilema.com/2018/surprised-by-joy-the-shape-of-my-early-life-adnotated/#footnote_155_80959 in the practical.
1848668;1536422004;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: plox to expand ?
1848669;1536422029;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's terrible advice. "recovering data from damaged hard disks" is a "business" in the sense "painting and decorating boobies" is a business. nobody gets boobies anymore on account of bacterial diseases being exticnt.
1848670;1536422037;asciilifeform;as i understand , it was a perfectly decent meatgrinder, 'speshul snowflake'-eater
1848671;1536422044;mircea_popescu;and i'll expand, but read the references first.
1848672;1536422065;*;asciilifeform read, believe or not, whole thing
1848673;1536422071;asciilifeform;but how was 'throwing curve'
1848674;1536422095;mircea_popescu;well ? "don't attack enemy lest he attacks back" localized peace somehow sums up to a war over the interval ?
1848675;1536422108;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: when pg wrote this, in late '90s, hdd surgery was still a seller's market
1848676;1536422132;mircea_popescu;incidentally, you know who n p billing was ?
1848677;1536422145;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'local peace' would go, for, what, week at a time ? before somebody cuts loose
1848678;1536422154;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: dun think so?
1848679;1536422172;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform he said it is a ~business~. it's not a business. if tomorrow civilisation ends scavenging its remais will be a large activity, but still not a business. "business" means something!
1848680;1536422197;mircea_popescu;billing was this fellow who famously sued a bunch of establishment faggots over his theory that faggot conspiracy is the cause of ww1 failure.
1848681;1536422248;mircea_popescu;somewhat like "reddit" umm how did the expression go...
1848682;1536422266;mircea_popescu;a here we have it, http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-08-05.log.html#t07:31:20
1848683;1536422266;lobbesbot;Logged on 2018-08-05 07:31:20: <Tyrantelf20> Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
1848684;1536422287;mircea_popescu;so : something i nthe vein of reddit investigative journalists uncovering the pizza hut hilary clinton pedophilia scandal, if you recall that.
1848685;1536422375;asciilifeform;'In Lesbian ecstasy the most sacred secrets of the state were threatened' << lol!!
1848686;1536422429;mircea_popescu;aha.
1848687;1536422523;asciilifeform;loox like a moar erudite ver of the pizza folx, yes
1848688;1536422569;mircea_popescu;it's fundamentally what it is, "confederacy" of "independent" men alone going at teh establishment. the dent they make always takes the same shape
1848689;1536422573;mircea_popescu;it's approximatelly an L
1848690;1536422628;mircea_popescu;it'd seem self-evident that if a buncha doods carrying an L etched on their forehead go banging their heads on a chunk of concrete insistently enough in large enough groups, the L will eventually to some degree and under some lights transfer.
1848691;1536422636;mircea_popescu;yet somehow, never self-evident to the pizza folks.
1848692;1536422638;asciilifeform;i'm not even convinced that billing's 'britain run by fags' thing were untrue. but the part where it is 'from german wreckers' is pretty rich
1848693;1536422651;mircea_popescu;but this is precisely how it goes!
1848694;1536422669;mircea_popescu;you know for a fact pantsuited hilarity traded in children. the part where it was run from a pizzeria in wash dc... well...
1848695;1536422687;asciilifeform;see also the 'elders of zion' mega-bestseller.
1848696;1536422692;asciilifeform;imho the canonical example.
1848697;1536422763;asciilifeform;idjit peasant cannot invent devils that 'can only see through microscope', he has never laid hands on microscope. so they will inevitably be devils that you 'can see' by rubbing chicken shit in yer eyes.
1848698;1536422768;mircea_popescu;economics disposes : the dynasty was hannoverian ; at the time cheap fuckmeat was both prettier (ie, higher quality) and cheaper had in rural hannover than in rural lancastershire. so unsurprisingly, cousin bob fucked little boys at cousin joe's house, rather than the reverse.
1848699;1536422804;mircea_popescu;if you live in miami and your cousin lives in akron, it'll be he who comes to your studio for doing coke, not you to his.
1848700;1536422850;mircea_popescu;thus therefore, the fecalscopy scientists identified "german subversion plot".
1848701;1536422918;asciilifeform;with the predictable results, aha
1848702;1536422965;asciilifeform;btw observe that errything pertaining to royal collusion with germany, in both wars, still Official Seekrit in britain
1848703;1536422973;asciilifeform;('until 2050' or how it went)
1848704;1536423007;asciilifeform;see also 'suicide' of rudolf hess.
1848705;1536423053;*;asciilifeform brb,teatime
1848706;1536423146;BingoBoingo;http://www.thedalleschronicle.com/news/2018/sep/07/man-killed-train-had-tech-following/ << RIP Terry Davis confirmed
1848707;1536423874;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but let's continue the "do you knows" then. ever heard of one j. r. davis ?
1848708;1536425934;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nein
1848709;1536425983;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: all i see is 1st para
1848710;1536426031;asciilifeform;'A man killed by a train in The Dalles in mid-August had a Youtube following and was a “minor celebrity” in the computer world for doing the Herculean task of writing his own operating system, a fan said...'
1848711;1536426249;mircea_popescu;i would suppose it wasn't so much suicide as the train failing to correctly play the part fucktard assigned it in fucktard's own WoWoW.
1848712;1536426275;asciilifeform;d00d was, supposedly, certifiably schizo
1848713;1536426280;asciilifeform;so entirely possib
1848714;1536426325;asciilifeform;in usa these figure prominently in pedestrian splats
1848715;1536426337;mircea_popescu;like all the rest of them. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-10#1840735 just as certified schizo.
1848716;1536426337;a111;Logged on 2018-08-10 01:23 rain2: yep just poking around online
1848717;1536426355;asciilifeform;they poke, poke, until 5000 volts.
1848718;1536426391;mircea_popescu;hence, "train failed to correctly play the part tard assigned it"
1848719;1536426422;asciilifeform;aha, prolly thought 'i'ma push it aside with little finger'
1848720;1536426482;asciilifeform;the interesting bit is, the os, was actually novel/interesting in aspects -- e.g. implemented the ~only~ known example of http://www.loper-os.org/?p=256
1848721;1536426510;asciilifeform;the sad bit, tho, is that he gave up pretty early on re: actually making the thing boot on physical iron. erry copy i got hold of, ran in vmware strictly.
1848722;1536426511;mircea_popescu;i recall.
1848723;1536426813;asciilifeform;that was his first, and from my pov, really the last, splat, against the wall
1848724;1536426827;asciilifeform;(rather than the train)
1848725;1536426871;asciilifeform;e.g. gabriel_laddel, then proceeded to re-enact the same splat
1848726;1536426904;asciilifeform;'if i close eyes wall will surely vanish'
1848727;1536427005;asciilifeform;it's a remarkably common failure mode.
1848728;1536427034;asciilifeform;( i can see why asciilifeform's approach, 'dig for years with a spoon, maybe eventually make hole' is not 'sexy' and does not appeal. but it imho beats splat. )
1848729;1536427097;mircea_popescu;depends on how precious you think yourself.
1848730;1536427112;mircea_popescu;"I am not to be common, Kyle, ok? I am a creature like no other. I know that. I am a creature like no other. And I will not -- I willnot be common. "
1848731;1536427122;asciilifeform;lol i just today reread that one
1848732;1536427283;mircea_popescu;well ? slow approaches that work may well be "too common".
1848733;1536427302;mircea_popescu;god knows it's been the recorded problem of teenaged boys throughout civilisation.
1848734;1536427337;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i think it is clear that if digger aint willing to contemplate 'maybe i die before hole, but next one will dig, cross the barbed wire over my corpse' will dig no serious holes.
1848735;1536427378;mircea_popescu;or rather, will dig no holes in any serious matter.
1848736;1536427396;asciilifeform;well yes, will dig until 'too hard' and go gabriel_laddel'ing somewhere.
1848737;1536427514;asciilifeform;'iron phobia' is endemic in programmer types.
1848738;1536427572;asciilifeform;esp. the ones who ended up in the trade to begin with 'because easier'
1848739;1536427780;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: upstack : so who was j r davis ?
1848740;1536427806;mircea_popescu;fellow who was ambushed by a bunch of "hardened criminals", killed seven out of two revolvers and four more with his knife. the rest took to flight.
1848741;1536427817;mircea_popescu;the two other guys he had with him died.
1848742;1536427820;asciilifeform;oh was this the new york subway pistolero ?
1848743;1536427825;mircea_popescu;nah, san francisco.
1848744;1536427848;asciilifeform;aa nyc was one bernhard goetz
1848745;1536427898;mircea_popescu;"what happens when cinema warband encounters man who didn't take A-team shooting class"
1848746;1536427906;asciilifeform;two revolvers, hah. did he shoot 'macedonian style' i wonder
1848747;1536427917;mircea_popescu;~inexplicably lose election, more or less.
1848748;1536427942;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform melee range in trained hands, firearms are pretty deadly.
1848749;1536427947;asciilifeform;noshit
1848750;1536427961;mircea_popescu;!Qcalc 7/12
1848751;1536427962;lobbesbot;mircea_popescu: 0.583333333333
1848752;1536428017;mircea_popescu;compare and contrast with http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-20#1843119
1848753;1536428017;a111;Logged on 2018-08-20 18:48 mircea_popescu: do you realise less than one in a million hits anything these days ?! never has the quarry/bullet relationship been this tenuous.
1848754;1536428050;asciilifeform;pistolero at swords range not really comparable to grunts 'spray and pray', no
1848755;1536428190;asciilifeform;recall the 'small bullets' thread. brass recognized that 'they dun aim anyway, let's give'em tiny bullets, why not'
1848756;1536428208;mircea_popescu;i expect they get a "pew pew pew!" audio attachment next.
1848757;1536428228;asciilifeform;after ford's 'simulated engine revv' audio thing, wouldn't surprise me
1848758;1536428263;asciilifeform;( or ipnoje's infamous 'camera shutter sound' )
1848759;1536428279;asciilifeform;!#s skeumorphism
1848760;1536428280;a111;4 results for "skeumorphism", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=skeumorphism
1848761;1536428285;asciilifeform;^ see also
1848762;1536428486;asciilifeform;upstack, for the curious , http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-07#1848553 unsurprisingly no answer.
1848763;1536428486;a111;Logged on 2018-09-07 23:46 asciilifeform: asked in the derp chan, https://irclog.whitequark.org/linux-rockchip/2018-09-07#23015323 , just on the off chance, but i expect 0 answer beyond the usual amstan type , i.e. 'fuck off and eat vendor liquishit'
1848764;1536428553;asciilifeform;if anybody other than us is diddling the thing, they're staying mum
1848765;1536428628;mircea_popescu;in today's wonderment, why the FUCK is it i can say sed 's%x%y%g' or sed 's^p^q^g' but can NOT say awk '%a%,%b%' ?!
1848766;1536428657;mircea_popescu;what sort of morons are these, who a. pick a FIXED magic character which then they make equal to b. THE MOST COMMON FUCKING PUNCTUATION IN THE UNIVERSE
1848767;1536428685;mircea_popescu;who thinks like this ?!
1848768;1536428690;asciilifeform;hey sed and awk written by different 'man alones', so big fat surprise they use incompatible inbandisms
1848769;1536428711;mircea_popescu;sed's is correct.
1848770;1536428747;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you and i may be the last folx still using sed and awk, they gathered dust since perlism plague began
1848771;1536428752;mircea_popescu;having / as a magical character should be a execution squad offence.
1848772;1536431155;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-08#1848770 -> not true! here: http://ossasepia.com/2015/10/13/hic-sunt-flotsams-on-eulora-or-the-brand-new-foxymaps/
1848773;1536431155;a111;Logged on 2018-09-08 17:45 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you and i may be the last folx still using sed and awk, they gathered dust since perlism plague began
1848774;1536431191;mircea_popescu;ha-HA!
1848775;1536431281;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-07#1848476 -> I might as well mention then that I will redirect noobs to #ossasepia where they can perhaps attempt to learn something or otherwise get banned
1848776;1536431281;a111;Logged on 2018-09-07 13:24 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-07#1848461 << plox not to do this "who are you" upping anymore.
1848777;1536431331;mircea_popescu;nicoleci http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1I6n3/?raw=true
1848778;1536431346;mircea_popescu;diana_coman sounds like a plan.
1848779;1536433659;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-08#1848650 << update : flashing in the uboot with the dram turd from vendor fw, did nothing detectable
1848780;1536433659;a111;Logged on 2018-09-08 15:37 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hah, pretty interesting : the dram turds differ by... 3 bytes
1848781;1536433675;mircea_popescu;teh onions!
1848782;1536433779;asciilifeform;well, can rule out dram init
1848783;1536449492;mod6;Hi all, I wanted to get some review, on this manifest file that would be introduced into trb.  It would be placed inside the 'bitcoin' directory along the 'Makefile' and 'src' directories.  It follows trinque's proposal here: http://trinque.org/2018/06/02/v-manifest-specification
1848784;1536449519;mod6;Here it is: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1sNFt/?raw=true
1848785;1536449530;mod6;mircea_popescu asciilifeform trinque ben_vulpes ; et. al. ^
1848786;1536449531;mod6;Thoughts?
1848787;1536449583;mod6;Also, the name of the file would be 'manifest.txt'.
1848788;1536454143;mircea_popescu;i dun see a problem, tbh
1848789;1536455439;asciilifeform;meanwhile, uncrated chinese peltier, ~$1. thing gives a microwatt or so simply sitting on a desk. impressive.
1848790;1536455476;mod6;mircea_popescu: cool, thx for checking it out
1848791;1536459163;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not bad!
1848792;1536459242;BingoBoingo;Power from just sitting on alf's desk is how cult legends get started
1848793;1536459421;mod6;:]
1848794;1536459603;mircea_popescu;gotta also take into account his desk is special.
1848795;1536460449;BingoBoingo;Of course. It's alf's desk
1848796;1536509467;mircea_popescu;good morning!
1848797;1536512161;asciilifeform;guten morgen mircea_popescu
1848798;1536512237;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-09#1848794 << lolyes, it's pretty warm on the underside, from various expensivespaceheaters
1848799;1536512237;a111;Logged on 2018-09-09 02:20 mircea_popescu: gotta also take into account his desk is special.
1848800;1536512366;asciilifeform;peltier is potentially very good current source for long-term unattended stations -- unlike photopanel, it isn't afraid of rain, or bird shit, etc. and a long stake into the earth potentially gives coupla of degree temp diff yr round
1848801;1536512474;asciilifeform;( not that it make no diff in ~which direction~ temp diff )
1848802;1536512486;asciilifeform;*note that
1848803;1536512507;asciilifeform;the current gatherer has rectifier .
1848804;1536512545;asciilifeform;it is also much less conspicuous than photopanel ( which is easily seen from the air )
1848805;1536512730;mircea_popescu;speaking of bird shit, some bird shat on my balcony
1848806;1536512739;mircea_popescu;as a result some crazy ass bug came to suck on it.
1848807;1536512749;asciilifeform;i imagine errything in mircea_popescustan gets coated in quetzal shit in 6months tops
1848808;1536512777;mircea_popescu;actually no quetzals here. princopally great kiskadees, colibris and some sort of wren
1848809;1536512790;asciilifeform;prolly worx just as well with these
1848810;1536512822;asciilifeform;( might be interesting to contemplate a power source that runs on guano funnel, but i suspect there is substantial devil in the details )
1848811;1536512932;mircea_popescu;haha. i suspect genetically engineered repeater bug a ways off yet.
1848812;1536513331;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/mircea_popescu_initiator_concurs_proza_arhiscurta_paul_lica_de_la_roman_sunt_sofer_de_camion_4981_a.mp3 << in other lulz.
1848813;1536513793;mircea_popescu;lettuce offer a mn ECus to whoever of the rotaku club that produces the correct notation of that thing. hanbot diana_coman an' spyked are kindly asked to stay out of it!
1848814;1536513818;mircea_popescu;(i just mean the my spoken segment, not the whole atrocity)
1848815;1536513867;*;diana_coman will happily stay out of it
1848816;1536514597;asciilifeform;wats this
1848817;1536514693;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's me on the radio, like a decade or so ago.
1848818;1536514783;asciilifeform;sounds like 'mst3k'-treatment of the puiu codreanu popthing that asciilifeform heard playing in timis cafes
1848819;1536514811;asciilifeform;https://www.versuri.ro/versuri/puiu-codreanu-sant-copil-de-romanie-_si27.html << subj
1848820;1536514812;mircea_popescu;just about ; radio station producer chick hit me for their "guilty pleasures" segment.
1848821;1536514826;mircea_popescu;but no, the actual item is "paul lica de la roman", "sunt sofer de camion"
1848822;1536514835;mircea_popescu;which is one helluva video.
1848823;1536514850;asciilifeform;'cretinismul intolerabil' >> lel
1848824;1536514954;asciilifeform;btw am i the only one who sees a klezmer flavour in the trad ro jazzy style
1848825;1536514970;mircea_popescu;it's not jazzy lol, "manea" is a trad turkish thing.
1848826;1536514977;asciilifeform;i suspected
1848827;1536514985;asciilifeform;you folx even have a zurna, i think
1848828;1536514993;asciilifeform;(what's it called in ro?)
1848829;1536515014;mircea_popescu;pro tip : jews ~= gypsies. after five centuries spent on the same caravan roads...
1848830;1536515020;asciilifeform;wellyes
1848831;1536515067;mircea_popescu;etymologically goarna but irl caval.
1848832;1536515140;asciilifeform;loox like moar of a flute
1848833;1536515152;asciilifeform;zurna is short , reed-powered thing, think 'snake charmer'
1848834;1536515189;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFQXoJCGFGs << subj
1848835;1536515192;mircea_popescu;nah. zurna is greek-turkish item, high pressure, parabolic outer lip
1848836;1536515224;asciilifeform;some reason i thought there were a ro variant
1848837;1536515245;mircea_popescu;~same thing the vuvuzela came from.
1848838;1536515252;asciilifeform;and clarinet
1848839;1536515284;mircea_popescu;well, two! there's one that came from the jenissary music, as a brass instrument (goaran) and there's one that came from the thessaly/macedonian pastoral tradition earlier, as a wooden shepher's whistle (caval)
1848840;1536515296;asciilifeform;euro woodwing tech is 100% turk origin afaik
1848841;1536515302;mircea_popescu;hahaha nope.
1848842;1536515309;asciilifeform;hm.
1848843;1536515334;*;asciilifeform not subj expert
1848844;1536515353;mircea_popescu;turkish woodworking tradition is 100% imported from ro/arvnaut/macedonian tradition on the west and the iranian on the east.
1848845;1536515405;*;asciilifeform prolly doomed to learn tr soon
1848846;1536515424;mircea_popescu;all through computer age subnormals derped about with plastics, as a substitute (look baby! it's so colorful! almost like a real computer!)
1848847;1536515433;mircea_popescu;all through iron age subnormals derped around with leather
1848848;1536515442;mircea_popescu;and all through bronze age, subnormals derped around with wood.
1848849;1536515481;mircea_popescu;when rich people had obsydian knife, dorks had bone knife. JUST AS GOOD!
1848850;1536515485;asciilifeform;'iron age' is somewhat broad concept, for a while was 'high tech', sorta like niobium today, used for selected wunderwaffen
1848851;1536515496;mircea_popescu;they're all broad concepts, definitely.
1848852;1536515499;asciilifeform;iirc mircea_popescu even had essay re subj
1848853;1536515502;asciilifeform;'wolfangel'
1848854;1536515549;mircea_popescu;how long merkel ahs come!
1848855;1536515550;asciilifeform;( there is legend where in late '80s jp purchased an entire steamer full of sov alarm clocks. immediately melted down for niobium etc )
1848856;1536515560;mircea_popescu;think about it -- if she hadn't given zee germans zee letter z, what'd they have done!
1848857;1536515571;asciilifeform;lol
1848858;1536515618;mircea_popescu;i am starting to suspect civ was a lot more influential than previously realised --a whole generation of morons literally imagine "the nation of africa" was spawned forh by shaka the bahamas.
1848859;1536515638;asciilifeform;'our words are backed with nukes!'(tm)(r)
1848860;1536515647;mircea_popescu;avortons that didn't even PLAY civ. spawned by idiots who also did not play it -- but were somehow osmotically influenced by the players ?
1848861;1536515668;asciilifeform;nah i suspect 'common ancestor', the 'linear history' where 'newton sat down to..'
1848862;1536515678;mircea_popescu;ah. yeah this is a better theory
1848863;1536515686;asciilifeform;civilopedia!11
1848864;1536515692;mircea_popescu;"cheap computer game aiming to mass market will expose in garish tones the idiocy common to all people"
1848865;1536515698;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ikr ?
1848866;1536515700;*;asciilifeform still has a drum-printed 'civilopedia' in a 3ring somewhere
1848867;1536515717;mircea_popescu;predates the other atrocity by a good decade.
1848868;1536515743;asciilifeform;gotta say, i liked civ1. it aint a replacement for learning actual earthling history, tho
1848869;1536515784;mircea_popescu;"let's have deeply unqualified nobodies in particular puke some text under a deadline"
1848870;1536515784;mircea_popescu;"o hey! this works so well!"
1848871;1536515784;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is like confessing you like the smell of gasoline. du nhave TO ALSO EAT IT!
1848872;1536515791;asciilifeform;rright
1848873;1536515823;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/F2IT4 << oblig al schwartz
1848874;1536516090;asciilifeform;and yes i liked civ1, liked 'battlezone' also but did not imagine that 'battlezone' teaches irl tank tactic
1848875;1536516103;mircea_popescu;is this your way of discreetly letting us know you do drink it ?
1848876;1536516115;asciilifeform;( and did wonder, in civ1, 'why the fuck MUST 'discover' 'womens suffrage' to build starship ... )
1848877;1536516129;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if you smelled enuff, you prolly drank some
1848878;1536516171;mircea_popescu;that, i can explain. us 80s notion of space travel (inherited from 1960s french, as seen eg in http://trilema.com/2013/hibernatus/ ) involves the notion of sending families in ecosystems.
1848879;1536516195;mircea_popescu;"women would never agree to be taken over to alphaq centauri chained to posts as slaves"
1848880;1536516204;*;asciilifeform pictures kiddo who shows up to recruiter, 'i wanna be submarine commander! i played 9000 hrs of 'sea battle' ! '
1848881;1536516229;mircea_popescu;notwithstanding that if either logic or experience have any say, should a multi-century "space colonization" thing occur, women'd be EXACTLY that, taken for the ride chained to a post.
1848882;1536516266;asciilifeform;it aint much of a hypothetical -- 'new world' shipment was precisely as described
1848883;1536516271;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform look no further : http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-13#1841246
1848884;1536516271;a111;Logged on 2018-08-13 17:06 BingoBoingo: Well, dude was unhappy with his life and just wanted to do a barrel roll per the transcripts. If they let the shootdown get out they fear a wave of "muh feelz"
1848885;1536516342;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: hey, he prolly played 'aces', so learned barrels!11 if played 'flight simulator' instead, whoknows, maybe would've bellylanded
1848886;1536516365;mircea_popescu;heh
1848887;1536516431;mircea_popescu;anyway, it's shockingly rare to see kiddo come up to instructor with anythiong but "i wanna be * commander". because http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-08#1848730 amirite, erryone's a lord and there's no serfs anywhere.
1848888;1536516431;a111;Logged on 2018-09-08 17:18 mircea_popescu: "I am not to be common, Kyle, ok? I am a creature like no other. I know that. I am a creature like no other. And I will not -- I willnot be common. "
1848889;1536516478;mircea_popescu;kinda how us army was disbanded, to be replaced by the us "core of training". "teaching" the orcs is almost not insulting to the idiots' notions of self-importance.
1848890;1536516523;asciilifeform;afaik the recruitment queues are as full as ever
1848891;1536516525;mircea_popescu;so the us can at any time you wish field large helpings of "support personnel", but not the useful kind (that cleans latrines). the ustarded kind, that wants to "let's all make a circle" and "just talk"
1848892;1536516575;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform certainly, and the "hr" office as full as ever, for every factory. just, not full with anyone worth hiring applying to do any job. just fulla derps who expect to be paid for existing.
1848893;1536516605;mircea_popescu;not even "want to". EXPECT TO be paid for existing.
1848894;1536516634;mircea_popescu;want is the expectation projected into the future ; expectation is the want projected into the past. the zek is of the opinion that "really ? we still have to DO this ?!" re "the conversation" about how he's to do work. what fucking work!
1848895;1536516696;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: coupla times in recent yrs asciilifeform , in saeculum, was asked to recruit various hands ( programmers, reversers, etc ) and you can prolly guess result
1848896;1536516704;mircea_popescu;in entirely unrelated non-news, the surprised by joy thing has been most read article this month since the day it was published. it's so fucking rare for a same-month article to even rank... i wonder wtf happened there.
1848897;1536516705;asciilifeform;'what can you do' 'i can matlab'
1848898;1536516846;mircea_popescu;and on this note, /me shall get to item he's been procrastinating!
1848899;1536516952;BingoBoingo; <mircea_popescu> in entirely unrelated non-news, the surprised by joy thing has been most read article this month since the day it was published. it's so fucking rare for a same-month article to even rank... i wonder wtf happened there. << USG.Blue&Red derps suspecting steganography?
1848900;1536518379;mircea_popescu;i guess!
1848901;1536518628;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-09#1848881 << btw, incidentally 'a broomstick fires once'(tm), and there was at least 1 ameri-sf writer d00d (l. niven) who had a sorta cat-like alien race, who colonized exactly like this, and eventually evolved 'nonsentient' females
1848902;1536518628;a111;Logged on 2018-09-09 18:03 mircea_popescu: notwithstanding that if either logic or experience have any say, should a multi-century "space colonization" thing occur, women'd be EXACTLY that, taken for the ride chained to a post.
1848903;1536518652;mircea_popescu;this is strictly impossible, btw, the "evolved nonsentient female".
1848904;1536518680;asciilifeform;hey, silicon-based critters also currently thought impossible
1848905;1536518699;asciilifeform;whoknows, maybe dimorphism could carry farther than it does in earthling.
1848906;1536518763;asciilifeform;or could have scenario in the vein of mircea_popescu's parasitic worms tale
1848907;1536518821;asciilifeform;sad earthlings already farther along this track than anybody cares to admit ( or mircea_popescu would not be running his sea water reactor )
1848908;1536518837;mircea_popescu;not a matter of "thought impossible". it's strictly impossible, you're not cramming "sentience" into a half chromosome
1848909;1536518863;asciilifeform;can easily picture higher brain being an optional #ifdef
1848910;1536518874;mircea_popescu;i can't.
1848911;1536518891;asciilifeform;you can pack as many #ifdef (xyz) into arbitrarily small segment.
1848912;1536518929;mircea_popescu;only in code.
1848913;1536518943;asciilifeform;in meat code similarly.
1848914;1536518947;mircea_popescu;like where ?
1848915;1536518963;asciilifeform;among known examples, fly wing
1848916;1536518969;mircea_popescu;like where you no longer have nipples ?
1848917;1536518983;asciilifeform;mno, like where we dun have uteri
1848918;1536519001;mircea_popescu;so you're talking, actual decerebrated mammal. how would it work ?
1848919;1536519023;asciilifeform;not decerebrated, strictly, just de-uppercortexed, say, to carry with known earthling physiology
1848920;1536519026;mircea_popescu;you regulate say liver function from outside ?
1848921;1536519037;asciilifeform;errybody gets the stem
1848922;1536519052;mircea_popescu;this is not even how the brain works.
1848923;1536519109;asciilifeform;i see 2 separate q here -- a) 'can evolve this from earthlings' (possibly not, path-dependent)  b) 'could physically exist such a critter' ( unknown, but i dun see any fundamental whynot )
1848924;1536519123;mircea_popescu;there's very much not a central switch, whereby the blastule goes "now we completed stem, moving on to ganglia". there's no such phase ; future neocortex structures predate such diversification as separate digits.
1848925;1536519192;mircea_popescu;the "strictly impossible" was re a ; b is likely impossible becasue of space-starvation. the deep reason male mammals have nipples even if no uterus is that the "proper" signification of every-single-fucking-detail exceeds the "storage space" so to speak available to the physical process. so ~everything is overloaded, and generally >10 deep.
1848926;1536519208;asciilifeform;there also is a c) 'what exactly means 'higher brain function' . seen through certain lens, most current-day earthling ~already~ walking around without any
1848927;1536519250;mircea_popescu;yes well in that sense, the soi-dissant "united states government" being as it is an uppity (and, shamefulyl, tax-avoidant) group organized under the republic's millet system and so on.
1848928;1536519262;mircea_popescu;"all problems already resolved, in general speaking"
1848929;1536519348;asciilifeform;if martians land tonight and in their pov 'sentient' means 'grasps at least first order logics' they will immediately barf, 'we found a race where 1 full battallion of sentient males for erry female , and whole buncha veggies '
1848930;1536519358;mircea_popescu;now the ~other way around~, where male becomes a sort of parasite, is widely seen, from fishes to insects (and, as per "they're just little boys" common discovery of middle-aged whores), humans also.
1848931;1536519365;mircea_popescu;going the other way is against nature, though.
1848932;1536519394;mircea_popescu;what's "grasps" mean here ?
1848933;1536519421;mircea_popescu;the male/female divide that produces the batallion-to-one ratio is "grasps, grasps, but does not care", not "fails to grasp".
1848934;1536519422;asciilifeform;!#s two humps
1848935;1536519422;a111;11 results for "two humps", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=two%20humps
1848936;1536519427;asciilifeform;^ e.g.
1848937;1536519552;mircea_popescu;illustrative example : 1. ruler says "whosoever eats this delicious treat will be whipped". 2. john and jane eat it. 3. john is brought for judgement, "wtf ?" "i did not understrand eating the treat i ate is the eating of the treat you were talking about" "a ok, moron" ; 4. jane is brought for judgement, "wtf ?" "i did not understand you saying so and so whipping applies to me." "what ?" "i am pregnant."
1848938;1536519601;deedbot;http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/09/seeking-forum-input-auctionbots-currency-btc-vs-ecu/ << lobbesblog - Seeking Forum Input: Auctionbot's Currency - btc vs ecu
1848939;1536519604;mircea_popescu;yes, out of 1k humans 900 are morons. but out of the 100 remaining, 99 females "are morons" because "muh babies".
1848940;1536519633;mircea_popescu;lobbes forum schmorum, if you de-ecu it ima kick it off #eulora and have someone else make a different one.
1848941;1536519662;asciilifeform;waiwat i thought the whole point was euloratronic bot
1848942;1536519679;lobbes;aha, glad I asked.
1848943;1536519696;lobbes;I'm also fine with it being 100% ecu
1848944;1536519697;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform unrelated items.
1848945;1536519731;asciilifeform;aa hm there's 2 of'em?
1848946;1536519752;mircea_popescu;there's a lobbesbot, a foxybot, a mockybot, you have no idea.
1848947;1536519757;lobbes;asciilifeform: current auctionbot runs in #eulora (arm of lobbesbot)
1848948;1536519769;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i have a (limited) idea
1848949;1536519772;mircea_popescu;!Qauctionlist
1848950;1536519790;mircea_popescu;well whatever the syntax is. runs here too, just doesn't hourly announce.
1848951;1536519801;lobbes;won't list here (#eulora list only)
1848952;1536519806;lobbes;or in pm
1848953;1536519808;mircea_popescu;ah ok
1848954;1536519822;asciilifeform;iirc mircea_popescu fatwa'd bot that speak by themselves , other than deedbot
1848955;1536519831;mircea_popescu;yeah
1848956;1536520049;lobbes;Well okay then. I'm going to move forward with auctionbot dealing 100% in ecu. Meaning users will need to convert their input to ecu even if dealing outside of #e. (which, I'm fine with. atm Ecu allows me to simply use integer data type and also allows users to deal in fractional satoshis)
1848957;1536520061;mircea_popescu;quite.
1848958;1536520079;lobbes;roger that. I'ma update post and head back to lab
1848959;1536520109;mircea_popescu;one helluva ooda loop we got going here.
1848960;1536520223;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-08#1848784 << looks good to me. didn't want to include prior patches, or just didn't include them in the sample?
1848961;1536520223;a111;Logged on 2018-09-08 23:31 mod6: Here it is: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1sNFt/?raw=true
1848962;1536520951;asciilifeform;before this gets lost upstack, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-09#1848800 >>>> <<<< http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ffrbd/?raw=true << basic scheme
1848963;1536520951;a111;Logged on 2018-09-09 16:59 asciilifeform: peltier is potentially very good current source for long-term unattended stations -- unlike photopanel, it isn't afraid of rain, or bird shit, etc. and a long stake into the earth potentially gives coupla of degree temp diff yr round
1848964;1536521240;asciilifeform;could be 'clever' and make the atmosphere-facing end a parabolic reflector, and collect sun, but then subject to birdshit etc.
1848965;1536521767;deedbot;http://thewhet.net/2018/09/from-scratch/ << The Whet - From Scratch
1848966;1536522799;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-09#1848896 << btw reading the title i cannot help but think of later esr's 'surprised by wealth' lulgem
1848967;1536522799;a111;Logged on 2018-09-09 18:11 mircea_popescu: in entirely unrelated non-news, the surprised by joy thing has been most read article this month since the day it was published. it's so fucking rare for a same-month article to even rank... i wonder wtf happened there.
1848968;1536523610;mod6;trinque: Thinking about it here quick, I think I ought to have all of them in there for what is included in a "proper trb".  Adding them all in now, would give them all similar block times, but that's fine.  It is what it is.
1848969;1536523666;mod6;A while back it was argued that a full-regrind of the entire trb vtree was not necessary.  Having all the manifest entries in there, even if starting now, should suffice.
1848970;1536523671;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this cleverness leads to "implemented solar panel out of wooden stick"
1848971;1536523709;trinque;mod6: I figure giving them the same block times is the right thing, since it's entirely true (and useful to denote) that they were all added to manifest.txt at that time
1848972;1536523721;mod6;*nod*
1848973;1536523729;mod6;Thank you for the review and suggestion.
1848974;1536523740;mod6;Anyone else agree/disagree with this direction?
1848975;1536523855;mod6;No need to answer now, actually.  I'll just write it up and post it here for review.
1848976;1536523872;trinque;word
1848977;1536523893;mircea_popescu;i dun see anything wrong with  either approach. having them all have current block height as trinque says, correctly reflects present situation. having them have whatever other denotation you choose (some kind of reconstructed "blocks as it were") has the advantage that it reflects historical knowledge. neither of these is important : FUTURE manifest.txt versions can reflect w/e we want them to then.
1848978;1536523921;mircea_popescu;ie, this isn't a place to be worried about making a mistake ; mistakes are self-correcting anywya.
1848979;1536523948;mod6;Thanks for your input mircea_popescu.
1848980;1536524180;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/09/us-congressional-expert-witness-testimony-bitcoin-being-solicited-over-postal-service/ << Qntra - US Congressional Expert Witness Testimony: Bitcoin Being Solicited Over Postal Service
1848981;1536524210;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-09#1848970 << right. so imho oughta be built with 0 expectation of direct light.
1848982;1536524210;a111;Logged on 2018-09-09 20:07 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this cleverness leads to "implemented solar panel out of wooden stick"
1848983;1536524226;asciilifeform;ideally oughta work ~same when overgrown with vines, moss, etc
1848984;1536524251;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1848985;1536524270;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-09#1848980 << lol privkeys via usg.post
1848986;1536524270;a111;Logged on 2018-09-09 20:16 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/09/us-congressional-expert-witness-testimony-bitcoin-being-solicited-over-postal-service/ << Qntra - US Congressional Expert Witness Testimony: Bitcoin Being Solicited Over Postal Service
1848987;1536524288;asciilifeform;just when 'hard to think of anyffing dumber than goxcoins', this
1848988;1536524296;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo ahahaha what the fuck, these morons.
1848989;1536524317;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Terminal disconnect from reality
1848990;1536524327;mircea_popescu;good thing they stopped climate change.
1848991;1536524340;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: That's the testimony, does not appear to be the reality
1848992;1536524374;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: fuckknows, could be based in some fact, somewhere, cousinfuckers afaik are genuinely this stupid
1848993;1536524385;asciilifeform;to this day no 'isis' pubkey , for instance.
1848994;1536524388;mircea_popescu;in fact, there's no serious reason to suspect pantsuited clowns of any peculiar relationship to reality.
1848995;1536524408;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: only by 'stopped clock is right 2x/day' fortuitous accident
1848996;1536524475;asciilifeform;'Bitcoin has become the preferred payment method for Stormfront, the oldest and largest white supremacist...' << ~they~ dun have pubkey either, last i saw
1848997;1536524508;asciilifeform;so fully expect 'donations' to all go to google or whoever's in charge of sed s/terroristbtcaddr/reichsbtcbank packet-diddlage these days
1848998;1536524578;mircea_popescu;yup
1848999;1536524592;mircea_popescu;usg "opposition".
1849000;1536524617;asciilifeform;'father gapon'
1849001;1536524630;*;asciilifeform has yet to meet a us.muppet who knew of priest gapon
1849002;1536524631;mircea_popescu;usg is "how to go through the motions of doing things withouy doing anything" and usg "opposition" is "how to go through the motions of opposing usg, without fucking anything up for them". they're not all that substantially different.
1849003;1536524647;asciilifeform;same clay, same bricks, eh
1849004;1536524695;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-05#1422436 << see also.
1849005;1536524695;a111;Logged on 2016-03-05 14:09 asciilifeform still waiting for pubkey written in piles of known heads on camera
1849006;1536530846;deedbot;http://bingology.net/2018/09/09/assorted-retail-grocery-prices-in-montevideo/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog - Assorted Retail Grocery Prices In Montevideo
1849007;1536532000;mircea_popescu;Dulce De Leche 500 grams - 95 pesos << bwahahaha wut.
1849008;1536532034;asciilifeform;that's approx same as what it costs here in usgistan (~3usbux)
1849009;1536532049;asciilifeform;( granted, it comes out of usg.cows here, so possibly not comparable )
1849010;1536532131;asciilifeform;asciilifeform prefers the ru-exported one, costs ~1.5x , sold in the same spots where sprats
1849011;1536532169;mircea_popescu;i suppose my wut is spurious ; while it's true i can eat it about as much as salt, nevertheless salt ALSO comes in kg boxes.
1849012;1536532211;asciilifeform;i could eat whole can ( but wouldn't , these days )
1849013;1536532223;mircea_popescu;unrelatedly, i rewatched http://trilema.com/2011/aurora/#selection-49.276-53.70 and the original comment very much stands. anyoen want to know why "romanians" (esp in the sense of "lives in bucharest cca 2010") should've been fucking shot...
1849014;1536532315;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: when i think 'inhabitants of current bucharest', immediately think of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-29#1730399
1849015;1536532315;a111;Logged on 2017-10-29 21:06 asciilifeform: picture, e.g, d00d in a bathrobe, in front of mercedes, hood popped, in one hand flashlight , in other - meat cleaver
1849016;1536532325;mircea_popescu;lmao
1849017;1536532333;mircea_popescu;if only. that sounds rather serbian, much better.
1849018;1536532337;asciilifeform;apocalyptic wasteland
1849019;1536532343;asciilifeform;nah, actually saw this scene
1849020;1536532380;asciilifeform;and also the other great marvel, the 1980s-looking autos, standing 'parked' near boarded-up (yes) city park, on blocks, solid block of rust
1849021;1536532398;asciilifeform;standing right next to ordinary-looking (presumably)working ones
1849022;1536532446;mircea_popescu;yup.
1849023;1536532512;asciilifeform;lotsa equally rusted/dusted monuments to 'shot during uprising', ads for german kindergartens, miscellaneous parts of ??? rusting on the ground (where are the metallists!?) , etc
1849024;1536532541;asciilifeform;asphalt so fulla holes, asciilifeform wore out a set of shoes
1849025;1536532586;mircea_popescu;o o o looky what ifound! hey asciilifeform speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-31#1845998 : how about http://trilema.com/2010/de-abia-dupa-2012/
1849026;1536532586;a111;Logged on 2018-08-31 00:18 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-30#1845938 << this supposed untranslatability of ro, is illusory imho, translates just fine to ru and prolly other civilized tongues
1849027;1536532587;asciilifeform;( and i walked no more than 30km of bucharest )
1849028;1536532609;mircea_popescu;trades so much on the latin underneath, i give you 0% chances!
1849029;1536532675;asciilifeform;what was this
1849030;1536532785;mircea_popescu;this was a poem i wrote.
1849031;1536532798;*;asciilifeform found a decent turkish place in bu., was in outskirts, behind a playground where trees grew through the slide
1849032;1536532856;asciilifeform;in related lulz, bu subway is almost exact copy of chicago's, at least in re the degree of rust and grime
1849033;1536532869;mircea_popescu;and loud.
1849034;1536532879;asciilifeform;i think they're using the same trains
1849035;1536533098;asciilifeform;bucharest has maybe 6 blox that look like euro civ. the rest -- bananistan
1849036;1536533123;mircea_popescu;and today's new york looks like 1998 chicago, and so going.
1849037;1536533164;asciilifeform;newyork even in 1990s was mixed bag
1849038;1536533224;asciilifeform;(today there's an inner core of printolade-purchased glass boxes, outside of it - 1890s construction, some of it still with faded e.g. 'fine imported furst' stencil print on the smog-coloured walls )
1849039;1536533235;asciilifeform;*furs
1849040;1536533294;asciilifeform;and on erry other street corner, http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-19#1206677
1849041;1536533294;a111;Logged on 2015-07-19 21:13 asciilifeform: http://gothamist.com/2008/01/31/nitrogen_tanks.php
1849042;1536533308;asciilifeform;ever since the flood
1849043;1536533773;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the most eyepopping nonsense was where timis was covered in 'win a flat in bucharest' ad crapolade
1849044;1536533792;asciilifeform;who in his right mind would move, even for money
1849045;1536535050;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> i suppose my wut is spurious ; while it's true i can eat it about as much as salt, nevertheless salt ALSO comes in kg boxes. << It doesn't really come in much smaller packages. They go UP from here.
1849046;1536536326;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the usg machinery is not powered by sense. if you didn't know you wanted to move to miami, hereby you find out. if you're not the sort who finds this out thusly, terrorist.
1849047;1536536327;mircea_popescu;simple, really.
1849048;1536536349;mircea_popescu;exactly like "fight for motherland!"
1849049;1536557431;mircea_popescu;esthlos : http://summaries.logs.esthlos.com/#2018-09-01_2 << "the"
1849050;1536577095;esthlos;mircea_popescu: thank you
1849051;1536577096;lobbesbot;esthlos: Sent 2 weeks, 5 days, 21 hours, and 51 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> http://summaries.logs.esthlos.com/#2018-08-17_1 << again it's 'phuctor' , not 'phunctor'
1849052;1536588992;asciilifeform;esthlos: http://summaries.logs.esthlos.com/#2018-09-08_4 << was re ww1, not 2
1849053;1536589353;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://archive.is/lRDfh << supermicro bmc confirmed usg.porous. (there's a reason asciilifeform didn't plug'em in)
1849054;1536590183;mod6;mornin'
1849055;1536590463;BingoBoingo;Mornin
1849056;1536590532;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/09/usg-talks-georgia-into-abducting-and-extraditing-russian-man-to-manhattan/ << Qntra - USG Talks Georgia Into Abducting And Extraditing Russian Man To Manhattan
1849057;1536591284;mircea_popescu;"we found that the BMC code responsible for processing and applying firmware updates does not perform cryptographic signature verification on the provided firmware image before accepting the update and committing it to non-volatile storage."
1849058;1536591288;mircea_popescu;they just wanted to.
1849059;1536591329;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-10#1849052 << right.
1849060;1536591329;a111;Logged on 2018-09-10 14:16 asciilifeform: esthlos: http://summaries.logs.esthlos.com/#2018-09-08_4 << was re ww1, not 2
1849061;1536591505;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in historical lulgemz, http://trilema.com/2016/young-educated-urban-anglophone-male/
1849062;1536591528;mircea_popescu;"i have no money, no job, and Bernie has been the biggest political influence in my life"
1849063;1536591840;mircea_popescu;oh, and in "comunismu-ntii te-ajuta, tac tac tac, si apoi te executa pac pac pac" lulz : let's open our hymn books at the roger casement page. first knighted for "exposing" "atrocities" in usg's enemies at the time (boers and whatnot), was then hanged (and declared a faggot) for proposing the germans help liberate his homeland from usg in ww1.
1849064;1536591852;mircea_popescu;it so totally pays to be one of these usgistani "investigative journalists"...
1849065;1536591884;mircea_popescu;(the whatnot above should probably be more explicit. let's say instead boers, belgians and whatnot)
1849066;1536592448;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-10#1849057 << note that if you plug the thing into net, anybody can push 'update' into it etc
1849067;1536592448;a111;Logged on 2018-09-10 14:54 mircea_popescu: "we found that the BMC code responsible for processing and applying firmware updates does not perform cryptographic signature verification on the provided firmware image before accepting the update and committing it to non-volatile storage."
1849068;1536592463;mircea_popescu;aha.
1849069;1536592483;mircea_popescu;deeply undermining usgistani "digital forensics" bs.
1849070;1536592495;asciilifeform;as if it had any substance to begin with
1849071;1536592574;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-05#1848105 << see also
1849072;1536592574;a111;Logged on 2018-09-05 17:40 asciilifeform: if 'digital evidence'(tm)(r) supposedly 'found' on some zek's hdd can be 'evidence', why not this.
1849073;1536592606;asciilifeform;and for good measure http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-19#1826806
1849074;1536592606;a111;Logged on 2018-06-19 16:29 asciilifeform: His personal computer, federal prosecutors alleged, held more than 10,000 images and videos of such material, protected under three layers of passwords.'
1849075;1536592651;mircea_popescu;oh three layers!!
1849076;1536592652;mircea_popescu;roflmao.
1849077;1536592665;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in "other successes of the failed female state", let's look at https://duckduckgo.com/?q="he+deemed+it+necessary+to+absent+himself+temporarily."
1849078;1536592668;asciilifeform;9000 layers, encrypted with kennedy's brain splat pattern!
1849079;1536592716;mircea_popescu;the phrase originates from a nephew of the romanian king, temporarily mbret of albania. he left during ww1, cuz actual people were doing things, exactly like a 19yo would leave the 14yos he was playing with when the cheerleaders show up.
1849080;1536592726;mircea_popescu;BUT! the internet consists of a vast plurality of... EXACT COPIES.
1849081;1536592751;mircea_popescu;why the fuck does the electricity need to be burned so the SAME EXACT fragment of cargo cult is repeated 50 times ?
1849082;1536592782;mircea_popescu;we're approximately in the position where across the land there's museums dedicated to maintaining COPIES of original pieces of airplane fuselage fallen on the island.
1849083;1536592810;mircea_popescu;truly this is a waste. turn off the web, it's weasting electricity bitcoin could put to better use.
1849084;1536592824;asciilifeform;this is unremarkable, cargo cults ~always turn up with copies, there's never enuff actual fuselage frags to go around
1849085;1536592844;mircea_popescu;but i mean, seriously, this particular fragment repeated verbatim dozens of times AND NOTHING ELSE ?
1849086;1536592849;mircea_popescu;wtf, why even have a "web" then.
1849087;1536592933;mircea_popescu;"William, Prince of Albania explained What is William, Prince of Albania? Explaining what we could find out about William, Prince of Albania. [Search domain everything.explained.today] everything.explained.today/William_of_Wied/" << check out this gem. "what they could find". guess how the could works.
1849088;1536592983;asciilifeform;they could learn civilized langs, and climb down from trees. theoretically.
1849089;1536592988;asciilifeform;(not holding breath)
1849090;1536593222;mircea_popescu;this evidently works well enough for the "what does the news mean to me" crowd, seeing how the vapid "celebrities" that can't fucking spell (lulzy case in mp household recently, as girl tried to bring testimony of uma thurman re her being mistreated, only to see her charge collapse under heavy laugther at how WOMAN CAN NOT SPELL) have ~nothing to say anyway. getting a bunch of soccer players to dress up in suits and speak "th
1849091;1536593222;mircea_popescu;eir opinion" to the "interviewer" evidently taxes the system, there's no substance there so it's just as well that there's no substance demanded downstream.
1849092;1536593240;mircea_popescu;but i seriously do not see the need for a "web" to support this nonsense. they'd be much better served by a single pravda.
1849093;1536593272;asciilifeform;they already have single pravda
1849094;1536593284;asciilifeform;www mirrors are for fleadom-washing.
1849095;1536593294;mircea_popescu;in short : i am saying that "the problems" that naive holdouts from the 80s and 90s perceive confront "the open web" are chiefly in their imagination. the truth of the matter is that the same sort of scum that creaded the 1950s pravda in the first place are simply re-implementing it out of "web" nowadays.
1849096;1536593346;mircea_popescu;so no, it's not that "apple this" and "microsoft that" and "war on web" bla bla bla. if you permit internet access to inflate, you end up with a bulk of morons who STILL have no business on the web, once theyr'e there, just like they had no business on it before they were there.
1849097;1536593358;asciilifeform;pravdas are created on demand side.
1849098;1536593366;mircea_popescu;quite.
1849099;1536593387;mircea_popescu;amusingly, the word itself quite well connotes this.
1849100;1536593389;asciilifeform;( how did mircea_popescu formulate it earlier, 'if yer this stupid, a usg will coalesce out of the vacuum for you' )
1849101;1536593417;mircea_popescu;"why are you reading that crap ?" "because i wish to know how the news relates to me. spoiler : it doesn't." is verbatim contained in the slavic word's meaning.
1849102;1536593480;mircea_popescu;this is EXACTLY what pravda even is. it's not "truth" sole and alone like that. it's also "proofed" and "proved" and "certified" and so forth.
1849103;1536593498;asciilifeform;ssl-certified nonfaek news!1111
1849104;1536593518;mircea_popescu;in being truth-which-is-self-evidently-true-and-not-open-to-doubt-on-any-possible-grounds, it then necessariyl is exactly http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-10#1849101 "truth".
1849105;1536593518;a111;Logged on 2018-09-10 15:30 mircea_popescu: "why are you reading that crap ?" "because i wish to know how the news relates to me. spoiler : it doesn't." is verbatim contained in the slavic word's meaning.
1849106;1536593675;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo, mod6 : imho we oughta add a 'we do not use bmc's' statement to the pizarro www .
1849107;1536593701;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Will add
1849108;1536593702;mircea_popescu;^
1849109;1536593735;asciilifeform;sanity is a very concrete thing.
1849110;1536593843;asciilifeform;e.g. 'no bmc', 'no always-on kvm', 'no microshit', 'no disassembly of colo'd boxen without owner's permission', 'go ahead and seal'em', etc
1849111;1536593891;asciilifeform;'no social engineering, lose yer pgp key, lose yer acct'
1849112;1536593966;mircea_popescu;imo this should be written out in prose.
1849113;1536593982;asciilifeform;absolutely
1849114;1536593998;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: can you think of anything that oughta be in there, that aint mentioned above ?
1849115;1536594039;mircea_popescu;yes, but it's a decreasing scale of importance. every enumeration gotta stop sometime, and imo if one's not sold by those items adding more isn't the way to go.
1849116;1536594050;asciilifeform;aite
1849117;1536594081;mircea_popescu;moreover, there's nothing wrong with incomplete lists -- let the fellow come and ask, "oh, but what about Y! GOTCHA" only to not gotcha and therefore...
1849118;1536594138;asciilifeform;i admit that i was slightly surprised that there wasn't at least 1 casino etc d00d immediately banging on the door, of the only (afaik) isp that offers trng
1849119;1536594178;mircea_popescu;republic in being. very much the same mechanism as in "you don't need a buncha paperwork for pizarro, the forum can resolve disputes for you anyway"
1849120;1536594179;asciilifeform;( then again iirc there was a mircea_popescu thread where explained that these dun use trng at all, as matter of principle )
1849121;1536594242;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the way that sort of thing works (it's "business" in a very limited and marginal sense) there's two kinds of marginals involved : "idea men" and "technical wizards".
1849122;1536594263;mircea_popescu;the former are a deeply atechnical sort, utterly incapable of very basic tasks such as "compare these two items".
1849123;1536594292;mircea_popescu;the latter are a deeply asocial sort, utterly incapable of very basic tasks such as "exist in the world without a farcical self-secreted notion that you know what's going on".
1849124;1536594334;mircea_popescu;as a result the former perceive the need but don't know how to proceed and the latter antiperceive the need and well, the blind leading the thirsty results in many salty snacks.
1849125;1536594433;asciilifeform;both types suffer from the sort of brain damage where they're readily taken in by pseudorepublic, where 'bulletproof hosting' served up on cisco and advertised with rounded corners www on rails etc
1849126;1536594465;asciilifeform;i'd go as far as to say that the principal enemy is the pseudorepublic, the gapons.
1849127;1536594493;mircea_popescu;well, yes. in the exact sense "nobody got shot for buying ibm" : as far as IM is concerned, the marketing copy suffices, he doesn't understand the workings anyway and moreover is well inhabituated to not expect to understand.
1849128;1536594536;mircea_popescu;and the TW is very vulnerable in that a lifetime spent in his own coffin swimming in the liners has produced in him this ability to self-bless. so he's going to do "some secret trick" and that'll make it all good.
1849129;1536594549;asciilifeform;typical exchange with these goes like, 'trng, what's that. tell me instead how is your tor onion hosting'
1849130;1536594572;mircea_popescu;because he can't rely on others, see ? the IM judges "well, there's concordance between the marketing copy on this webpage and what my TW is telling me" and the TW judges "well, nobod ycan be trusted anyway, here's my caesar cipher -- at least it is my own"
1849131;1536594616;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform exactly so, concordance seeker seeks concordance. "don't tell me about disparate objects, let's compare pairs that are well matched, item-description-and-review"
1849132;1536594645;asciilifeform;the 'TW' , 'educated' by decade of reddit and hn, is usually incapable of even considering 'tor is honeypot', it threatens 'depersonalization', sorta like pushing the hanging stool out from under feet. iirc naggum described this psychopathology at length.
1849133;1536594665;BingoBoingo;http://pizarroisp.net/pizarro-hosting-rate-sheet/ << First run at the prose
1849134;1536594703;asciilifeform;iirc mircea_popescu had a piece where 'usg.college victim, thoroughly hollowed out, incapable of discussing subj , because he perceives that he ~is college~' or how did it go
1849135;1536594715;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dunno if you recall this naphex character. possibly the best illustration of the concept republic's to date known (though he was doing iirc webcams or exchangesd or somesuch, not directly casinos. but -- just as marginal a cvasi-business)
1849136;1536594752;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: loox pretty good, imho
1849137;1536594772;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the name sounds familiar, but i think the bulk of him happened before asciilifeform tuned in
1849138;1536594776;mircea_popescu;but yes, very much that's the problem, "threat of depersonalization", specifically as "what do you mean republic laughs at me and my http://trilema.com/2013/the-danger-of-homebrew-crypto/ "
1849139;1536594786;BingoBoingo;Ah yes, Naphex welcomed Republic as customer of exchange he did for someone else. Then when he wanted to do HIS OWN camsite ran away to heathens
1849140;1536594829;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is rather like if snail could speak, and was threatened with the loss of its shell, in the hot sun
1849141;1536594877;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-12-09#1339309
1849142;1536594877;a111;Logged on 2015-12-09 03:27 assbot: Logged on 06-10-2015 19:36:34; mircea_popescu: <Naphex> https://xotika.tv/static/report06102015.html << speaking of which, plox to give the guy's numbers a good shakedown, because im considering listing xotika this month.
1849143;1536594900;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo : "Pizarro servers do not employ BMC, nor always-on KVM setups. We do not disassemble servers for any reason, so feel free to seal your boxes. Account management is done through RSA process, do not expect that you can sidestep loss of your key through social engineering. Burn Microshit, burn." ?
1849144;1536594942;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in point of fact we do currently open boxes on explicit request of owner, to emplace FG
1849145;1536594949;mircea_popescu;in #Pizarro on Freenode. << link to webthing mqay help
1849146;1536594969;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform take out "for any reason" then ?
1849147;1536594982;asciilifeform;hence BingoBoingo's formulation, 'without permission..'
1849148;1536595012;asciilifeform;we also swap disks for colo folx, if they supplied spares.
1849149;1536595041;asciilifeform;but in principle there is no reason why a colo customer cannot seal his disks, so long as he understands that he will have to come in person and swap'em then
1849150;1536595056;mircea_popescu;exactly.
1849151;1536595060;mircea_popescu;shorter is always better.
1849152;1536595139;mircea_popescu;understand : woman saying "i don't have sex" is a fine approximation of "i don't have sex [unless you convincingly ask me to]". meanwhile "i don't suck dicks without permission" connotes "well, you were passed out, i asked three times like the jews, in all directions, and as there was no answer i figured...welll... here's a dick..."
1849153;1536595225;BingoBoingo;Aite, updated. Going to walk a bit and read where the forum discussion goes before seeing what the least shitty webirc is
1849154;1536595721;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: afaik the clearest 'schoolbook' example of folx suckered in by pseudorepublic, were the weev people
1849155;1536595736;asciilifeform;'bbut dns!111'
1849156;1536595758;mircea_popescu;o that guy, what was his name. yeah, here you go, absolutely fine IM-TW binome. that dood and weev.
1849157;1536595768;asciilifeform;'we already have box that stays up, but how will you make our dns stay'
1849158;1536595867;asciilifeform;i dunno if i can correctly model the weevils writhing around in that skull, but imagine it went something like ' i was looking for new isp, not to change religions '
1849159;1536595921;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1757013 << item.
1849160;1536595921;a111;Logged on 2017-12-22 17:21 weevlos: 1) that's not my call to make, i am only one employee
1849161;1536595953;asciilifeform;aaa so ~indeed~ the lichen-fungus symbiont described by mircea_popescu
1849162;1536595955;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1756992 << compare and contrast with >> http://trilema.com/2012/power-fashion-editorii-care-au-revolutionat-moda/
1849163;1536595955;a111;Logged on 2017-12-22 17:18 weevlos: trinque: we are a media publication. our power and capital comes from the number of visitors we have to the site. we aim to transform through culture. if normal people cannot visit our site we are not accomplishing our goal
1849164;1536595988;mircea_popescu;"their power and capital". because http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-08#1623380 "never happened", especially if you wish it really hard to not have.
1849165;1536595988;a111;Logged on 2017-03-08 22:29 mircea_popescu: in other lulz : femen, the "ukrainian" organisation is selling shit priced in dollars via 2checkout.com, the columbus ohio us corp.
1849166;1536595996;asciilifeform;or, say, theo de raadt & bob beck pair
1849167;1536596075;asciilifeform;i puzzle over this q : where are the theos-without-becks hiding ?
1849168;1536596087;mircea_popescu;i suppose, in a degenerate case. my original example was "business" of a certain sort of "free man on free soil" outlook, like "online casino" or whatever other mlm-for-the-2010s things.
1849169;1536596091;asciilifeform;these are god's own pizarro customers. where are they.
1849170;1536596169;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: by all appearances the 'free men on free soil' folx are http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-10#1849132 -stupid. without (to date) any detectable exceptions.
1849171;1536596169;a111;Logged on 2018-09-10 15:50 asciilifeform: the 'TW' , 'educated' by decade of reddit and hn, is usually incapable of even considering 'tor is honeypot', it threatens 'depersonalization', sorta like pushing the hanging stool out from under feet. iirc naggum described this psychopathology at length.
1849172;1536596182;mircea_popescu;but i guess that was coincidental, model works quite well i nthe general, including cases such as "TW looking for IM" like say http://trilema.com/2018/and-in-todays-lulz-the-obnoxious-cocksucker/
1849173;1536596201;mircea_popescu;very much like this, o'reilly-ers, or de raadt-whatever collective barnacle IM.
1849174;1536596261;asciilifeform;'Thanks for the offer, but we already have methods of becoming a sponsor. I'd like to give that opportunity to up to 10 groups/companies/people through patreon. I hope you'll understand.' << lol!!
1849175;1536596265;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i have personally witnessed "could not estimate laptop charger chord is not going to reach" visually, from five yards away, had to do the actual manual comparison. so yes, that's my overarching point -- IM are universally stupid in a very strict sense, unfit to lvie in world.
1849176;1536596272;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform see ?
1849177;1536596289;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: did this patient also reach for calculator to mul by 10 ?
1849178;1536596348;mircea_popescu;why, cuz born with 8 fingers so 72 * 33 = 3036 ?
1849179;1536596385;asciilifeform;i've personally witnessed 'mul by 10?! where is calculator'
1849180;1536596398;asciilifeform;aint even, imho, organic braindamage, but more typically 'learned helplessness'
1849181;1536596402;asciilifeform;sometimes -- curable
1849182;1536596499;mircea_popescu;"man who has walked with crutch all life -- cripple or not ?" "we'll have to see, won't we."
1849183;1536596516;Mocky;I've witnessed in my grown children to my horror and despair
1849184;1536596532;mircea_popescu;no hazel grows where you live huh ?
1849185;1536596549;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the puzzler is, how to knock out the crutch. or persuade the sufferer to part with it on own power ? pizarro is isp, not psychiatric clinic
1849186;1536596593;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and yet http://trilema.com/2018/the-leak/#selection-363.0-365.0 yes ?
1849187;1536596602;mircea_popescu;persuasion, like all education, will be sexual.
1849188;1536596643;asciilifeform;it wouldn't be any dismay to asciilifeform if we end up filling the rack with strictly mircea_popescu's successful patients, say.
1849189;1536596704;mircea_popescu;why ?
1849190;1536596732;asciilifeform;well, if the statement 'education must sexual' is indeed troo, then how else.
1849191;1536596779;asciilifeform;if there's another mircea_popescu somewhere, likewise curing, i do not presently know about it.
1849192;1536596817;asciilifeform;for all i know, the year's 1944, and there's that ~one~ dish of penicillum in existence.
1849193;1536596819;mircea_popescu;honestly, i would expect (if your http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-09#1848929 is right, at any rate) that the republic will be mostly homosexual.
1849194;1536596819;a111;Logged on 2018-09-09 18:55 asciilifeform: if martians land tonight and in their pov 'sentient' means 'grasps at least first order logics' they will immediately barf, 'we found a race where 1 full battallion of sentient males for erry female , and whole buncha veggies '
1849195;1536596836;asciilifeform;hey jurov !
1849196;1536596850;mircea_popescu;oh, you got ~one~ of those too ?
1849197;1536596870;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there are examples in the past, e.g. the orig nazi folx. (or the ww1 britain, from prev thread?) but these didn't end well.
1849198;1536596963;asciilifeform;worked out, i guess, for the greeks... for a spell
1849199;1536597040;mircea_popescu;no, actually, it worked out for the greeks for longer and with better results than any attempt at either paideia, "civilisation", "education" or anything else ever did.
1849200;1536597065;asciilifeform;prolly why the brits ended up cargoculting it, neh
1849201;1536597072;mircea_popescu;note that the prussian system (which is the upper node of what contemporary dork calls "school", and it is a SYSTEM, more complex than just that) is not even 2 centuries yet.
1849202;1536597077;asciilifeform;but evidently straw wings dun suffice for working plane
1849203;1536597078;mircea_popescu;and it did not yield much of anything at all.
1849204;1536597180;asciilifeform;i suspect that there's a missing term in this equation. e.g. turing did not, afaik, create any great maths folx with his (very active) cock
1849205;1536597241;mircea_popescu;because placed no demands. hence the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-10#1849184
1849206;1536597241;a111;Logged on 2018-09-10 16:22 mircea_popescu: no hazel grows where you live huh ?
1849207;1536597250;asciilifeform;iirc he wasn't even able to keep his catamites from ratting him out in brit kangaroo court
1849208;1536597495;mircea_popescu;note that there's a problem here. that i, personally (and not explicably) manage somehow to be sexually attractive to women less than half my age as i was to women over twice my age has very little to do with anything and i wouldn't expect it systematizable.
1849209;1536597514;mircea_popescu;socrates, to take a modest example, would eminently NOT have been even remotely interesting to the kids in the kids' own terms.
1849210;1536597544;asciilifeform;'phd assembly line' eh.
1849211;1536597551;mircea_popescu;there's a large component of rape involved in all education ; had the societal convention not been that "ye kids must suck an adult cock, nqa", the feeble interest socrates managed to induce even in his contemporaries would never have amounted to anything.
1849212;1536597591;asciilifeform;i.e. http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-26#934786 ?
1849213;1536597591;a111;Logged on 2014-11-26 00:46 asciilifeform: have to understand, jet fighter is not really a complete machine. it is a tentacle of the larger industrial slave empire which produced and employed it.
1849214;1536597625;asciilifeform;aka http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-24#1805195
1849215;1536597625;a111;Logged on 2018-04-24 16:28 asciilifeform: 'один в поле не воин'(tm)(r)(folk whizzdom)
1849216;1536597687;mircea_popescu;all knowledge is in the end unwilling. not "carnal", there is no such distinction, all knowledge is the exact same thing. and "unwilling" not in the sense of oppostion, but in the sense of defect. what exaclty is the maiden to know afore the fact about the knowledge you're about to impart on her, be it penis or math ? DEFINITIONALLY "not enough", right.
1849217;1536597724;asciilifeform;prussian, or if you prefer, sov, or jp, stick-beatin', does work to produce something like working minds
1849218;1536597776;asciilifeform;and evidently the greek meatstick is not overwhelmingly superior instrument, or would have taken over globe and we wouldn't even think to have the thread, unless i'm missing something
1849219;1536597812;asciilifeform;granted, the stick dun work if nobody wields it, just as turing's meat didn't
1849220;1536597892;mircea_popescu;so there we go.
1849221;1536597914;mircea_popescu;"because placed no demands."
1849222;1536597948;mircea_popescu;girl (or, i suppose, "bottom", to not exclude spuriously half the discussion) is more than happy to go out of her skin. if you ask her to.
1849223;1536597951;mircea_popescu;GOTTA ASK!
1849224;1536597995;asciilifeform;rright, but if in order to succeed , need mircea_popescu's psi powers, then we're in tight spot, unless http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-10#1849188
1849225;1536597995;a111;Logged on 2018-09-10 16:24 asciilifeform: it wouldn't be any dismay to asciilifeform if we end up filling the rack with strictly mircea_popescu's successful patients, say.
1849226;1536598018;mircea_popescu;what, it's magical now ?
1849227;1536598031;asciilifeform;in the strictly technical sense: yes
1849228;1536598038;mircea_popescu;that's ridiculous.
1849229;1536598047;asciilifeform;any effect that cannot be replicated, must be modelled as 'magical', unfortunately
1849230;1536598082;mircea_popescu;by these bright lights, most math is magic.
1849231;1536598088;mircea_popescu;including *10
1849232;1536598103;asciilifeform;the very opposite of magical -- can be replicated even by dumb iron
1849233;1536598112;asciilifeform;on demand
1849234;1536598137;mircea_popescu;you know, iron only replicates it TO YOUR EYES. it doesn't do it in some sort of objective sense. it only puts the corect mul in rx if you know there's a rx to look for.
1849235;1536598225;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the strugatsky brothers, before sinking into senile delirium, had a tale 'roadside picnic', where unknown aliens land and leave buncha rubbish behind, and immediately depart. the rubbish includes 'usefuls', such as 'eternal batteries', but also various deadlies, and plenty of things 'in between', and earthling culture is rearranged by it.
1849236;1536598233;asciilifeform;(largely not in the direction of betterment)
1849237;1536598244;asciilifeform;this is the model of 'magic' i was thinking of.
1849238;1536598327;asciilifeform;( it's a pretty depressing yarn, the earthling attempts to make sense of the rubbish, sum to ~nuffin, and they fight over the scraps )
1849239;1536598412;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: by the 'to your eyes' standard -- i dun think i own any artifacts that work to any other standard. even cement block -- we do not presently know precisely why cement hardens.
1849240;1536598478;mircea_popescu;so magic ?
1849241;1536598504;asciilifeform;even the screwdriver on yer desk -- yes it is hard, but the maker never knew why precisely ~that~ ratio of molybdenum is to be used.
1849242;1536598515;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'magic', in this sense, is a phlogiston, a measure of ignorance.
1849243;1536598525;mircea_popescu;paracetamol, similarly "we don't know how the fuck this works" doesn't meet my definition of magic -- it seems quite certain it works in the usual way, if yet the intricacy unknown.
1849244;1536598543;asciilifeform;perhaps a diff term is appropriate
1849245;1536598551;mircea_popescu;yes but the implication of the word is that a special catalyst is needed, that's otherwordly.
1849246;1536598558;mircea_popescu;whereas ignorance only needs a correctly screwed dong to fix.
1849247;1536598569;asciilifeform;otherworldly << to riff on herr newton, 'i have no need of that hypothesis'
1849248;1536598581;mircea_popescu;well then don't say magic! say w/e, ignorance.
1849249;1536598594;asciilifeform;generally i say 'phd assemblyline' lol
1849250;1536598628;mircea_popescu;i do not perceive my time is strictly wasted with the phillies. unlike assembliline, assemblycunts are satisfying on a deeper level.
1849251;1536598640;*;asciilifeform believes
1849252;1536598662;mircea_popescu;but yes, on occasion VERY fucking frustrating, "shit fuck piss cunt motherfucker, ima go garden instead!"
1849253;1536598684;asciilifeform;emphasis is on the 'phd', not 'assembly line'. faberge dead, no moar eggs
1849254;1536598693;mircea_popescu;possibru.
1849255;1536598748;asciilifeform;anyffing that can be replicated from recipe by illiterate red army conscripts, if you will -- 'technology'. the remainder -- 'phd assembly'. fortunately most useful items fall somewhere in the spectrum
1849256;1536598777;asciilifeform;even 'mircea_popescus' get replicated... albeit very, very slowly
1849257;1536598818;asciilifeform;( in which vein, we're still waiting for, e.g., a replacement gauss... )
1849258;1536599142;asciilifeform;in historicals: there is record where a 'let's nuke su nao before they can us' plan was given to truman, in '47. he did not sign, likely because it called for ~30 'fat men', whereas the entire stockpile was: 4. and grew at 3-4 / yr, assembly line stayed 'phf' for just under a decade, long enuff for ~parity.
1849259;1536599228;asciilifeform;kurchatov et al approached the 'assembly line' problem slightly smarter (can debate how much 'from cribbing' and how much -- not) , and did not need own decade.
1849260;1536599273;asciilifeform;lol s/phf/phd
1849261;1536599289;asciilifeform;( not to belittle the timetravel adventures of phf !111 )
1849262;1536599375;asciilifeform;to stalin's credit, he was not particularly frightened by the hiroshima show that was put on for him: understood that 'it was faberge egg'
1849263;1536599629;asciilifeform;like it or not, 'faberge egg' is not a good weapon. to which i'll add that imho trb only recently (with 'aggression') graduated from 'faberge' status, previously noad required regular babysitting, and i've found that this is no longer so
1849264;1536599710;asciilifeform;rifle did not become serious weapon in the field until barrels -- interchangeable. etc
1849265;1536600576;mircea_popescu;i can't imagine what sense does this make, to put iliteracy as the gatekeepeer to technology.
1849266;1536600591;mircea_popescu;what next, "eroticism is what ugly people experience" ?
1849267;1536600717;asciilifeform;can't replicate -- not tech. call it sumthingelse.
1849268;1536600842;mircea_popescu;technology, ipso nomine ut ipso facto excludes the illiterate.
1849269;1536600864;mircea_popescu;that is what technology is -- what's left once you exclude the monkey activities.
1849270;1536601031;mircea_popescu;now, as to the other horn, what is "to replicate" ? fire is a technology, no man has yet replicated any fire -- fire is necessarily, as per thermodynamic laws -- irreplicable.
1849271;1536601155;mircea_popescu;"oh but mp -- i don't mean absolute replica ; functional replica suffices" "then here's my recipe to replicate fire : slap girl's cheek middling hard. it'll turn some shade of reddish blue and give off heat for a time."
1849272;1536601218;mircea_popescu;"replication" is no basis ; literacy is the basis. that "replication" is the schnelling'd-upon point of ~expression~ of literate heuristics is fine and dandy. but it is no basis thereby.
1849273;1536601329;asciilifeform;it would be fascinating to see how truman would have answered to this.
1849274;1536601352;mircea_popescu;why him specifically ?
1849275;1536601597;asciilifeform;well in the cited episode he felt the sharp end of the problem stick
1849276;1536601604;asciilifeform;( problem of 'replicable ? ' )
1849277;1536601616;mircea_popescu;dun mean he understood anything of it.
1849278;1536601626;mircea_popescu;most feelers of the various rods comprehend ~nothing.
1849279;1536601668;mircea_popescu;(literacy, for the sake of propriety, remains what newman defined, http://trilema.com/2013/a-very-unfair-perspective/ "to see things as they are, to go right to the point, to disentangle a skein of thought, to detect what is sophistical, and to discard what is irrelevant."  hence the literacy as basis for technology, to distinguish slapping from lighting)
1849280;1536601675;asciilifeform;it is generally not given to folx facing the sharp end of reactor rod, to entirely understand.
1849281;1536601768;asciilifeform;i'll add that a tech that can only be operated by the literate -- is replicable , for so long as literate folx are.
1849282;1536601783;mircea_popescu;which is all, without exception./
1849283;1536601793;asciilifeform;which goes back to orig thread subj..
1849284;1536601797;mircea_popescu;no technology survives as such the end of the literate that borne it.
1849285;1536601809;asciilifeform;aha. von kempelen, etc
1849286;1536601826;mircea_popescu;and the killer micro.
1849287;1536601844;mircea_popescu;and... other things
1849288;1536601847;asciilifeform;hell, the killer airplane..
1849289;1536601850;mircea_popescu;"western civilisation", in a word.
1849290;1536602008;*;asciilifeform recalls mircea_popescu's silk hats thread
1849291;1536602059;mircea_popescu;all of it, really, all of it is going away. wikipedia is like a manuscript copy of olde books, that are being "referenced". the references ever dim, and soon enough the whole world of literate english will be but a dream
1849292;1536602092;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'literate english' is already a ~archaeologists-only affair.
1849293;1536602101;mircea_popescu;like the world of literate egyptian in http://trilema.com/2014/more-about-caesar-cyphers/#footnote_2_52126
1849294;1536602121;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not so, it readily revives in selected young through simple exposure.
1849295;1536602129;mircea_popescu;it will be, in another generation or two maybe. today not yet.
1849296;1536602138;asciilifeform;possib
1849297;1536602506;mircea_popescu;perhaps ' that "replication" is the schnelling'd-upon point of ~expression~ of literate heuristics is fine and dandy' requires some explanation. the correct wot-process ("what of x?" "a claims so but i have not found the same -- go, try for yourself") was contracted in "failed to replicate x".
1849298;1536602531;mircea_popescu;the point, however, is not the "replication" itself but what it points to : "go, try for yourself".
1849299;1536602590;mircea_popescu;to then take this wot-process and try to mechanize it ("instead of going and trying by self as science ie http://trilema.com/2017/is-it-still-rape-if-i-write-science-on-my-penis-first/ REQUIRES of me i shall simply say "was not replicated") is doomed to the same failure all wot-mechanization attempts are in principle doomed to
1849300;1536602644;mircea_popescu;that is, to reconstruct some kind of sybil cake. which is exactly the "ourdemocracy science" with all tis hatefax and toxictruths and whatnot. because once you give up the proper wot process for some mechanized ersatz you find yourself again in the primordial mist, unable to guess where the landmines are.
1849301;1536602706;mircea_popescu;"but mp -- i am not equipped to try for myself!" "then this isn't a point of interest to you, is it. why'd you have an opinion on it ?" "because we're trying to build an Empire of Science!" "how's that working out ?" "so far, Republic of Idiots works."
1849302;1536602729;mircea_popescu;aaanyways, i'll bbl.
1849303;1536603447;asciilifeform;possibly i am missing a subtler mircea_popescu subthread , but asciilifeform's orig puzzler was 'how to avoid making a bolix', if you will.
1849304;1536603467;asciilifeform;i.e. spiffy but doomed-through-nonrepeatability artifacts.
1849305;1536603617;asciilifeform;generally i dun work with 'make technology that will survive fullbore apocalypse ~as technology~ (vs indiv artifacts) ' -- this is above asciilifeform's paygrade.
1849306;1536603636;asciilifeform;but if it is possible in particular instances, and i'm missing it, i'm all ears.
1849307;1536603791;asciilifeform;fwiw e.g. FUCKGOATS is repeatable, for so long as component base is available. ( and i include paper schematics & listing with it, for a reason..) but the direr problem is the shortage of literate operator who even knows wtf he is holding in hands
1849308;1536603805;asciilifeform;this , observe, is problem , even nao, even while component base ~is~ available
1849309;1536604740;asciilifeform;can't help but think of the roman bath in late-roman britain
1849310;1536604748;asciilifeform;i.e. problem was not in 'shortage of component base', there.
1849311;1536608340;asciilifeform;meanwhile in vintage lulzarchaeology, http://trilema.com/2013/because-most-people-are-idiots-in-spite-of-never-manning-up-and-admitting-to-it/#comment-96420
1849312;1536610250;asciilifeform;!Q later tell mircea_popescu the link http://logs.minigame.bz/latest.log.html on yer www, appears dead
1849313;1536610251;lobbesbot;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1849314;1536611249;diana_coman;it's the bz vs biz thing
1849315;1536620316;mircea_popescu;a ty
1849316;1536620316;lobbesbot;mircea_popescu: Sent 2 hours and 47 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> the link http://logs.minigame.bz/latest.log.html on yer www, appears dead
1849317;1536620354;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and the answer is exactly there, "avoid at all costs this situation where you're not fucking your close social circle"
1849318;1536620380;mircea_popescu;"and by fucking we mean published pictures etc, not herpi-derp coy bs"
1849319;1536620692;mircea_popescu;and fixed  http://logs.minigame.biz/latest.log.html issue ty
1849320;1536621437;mircea_popescu;the deep meaning of the whole http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-14#1813358 / http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-14#1813371 / http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-14#1813377 / http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-09#1641162 discussion is exactly this : minds at the time INSANELY thought $object ( in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-14#1813383 sense ) is going to tell them WHO to have WHAT intercourse and HOW MUCH.
1849321;1536621437;a111;Logged on 2018-05-14 22:56 mircea_popescu: out of mit's gear. NOT on mit's terms. use, you understand me ? use. like a thing.
1849322;1536621437;a111;Logged on 2018-05-14 23:01 mircea_popescu: mit says minksy must use the color green. minsky ignored. mit spent 500 politruk-hours to discern whether he even did what they said or not ; came up with either of these. minsky still ignored.
1849323;1536621437;a111;Logged on 2018-05-14 23:03 mircea_popescu: doing "the opposite" or "moving to garage", or anything, ANYTHING WHATSOEVER that in any way is biased by the mit is no go.
1849324;1536621437;a111;Logged on 2017-04-09 23:02 phf: asciilifeform: true king is a later invention, actual process is "choose king amongst yourself", and failure to do so is stupidity
1849325;1536621437;a111;Logged on 2018-05-14 23:05 mircea_popescu: and existence is predicated on intelligence, and mit never had one. it's just a humongous pile of printed dollars, the us-style equivalent of the chinese "sovereign funds".
1849326;1536621487;mircea_popescu;this is utter insanity. you don't need, or want, or ever seek "mom's" permission to fuck the daugther. not yours ; not hers ; at the slightest provocation it gets burned down, and the ashes dumped in cloaca maxima.
1849327;1536621545;mircea_popescu;this, and this only, is the way to prevent "tech becoming unrepeatable". it helps, of course, to have some tech in the first place ; but these are separate discussions -- fridge is how to preserve food, whether you have any food or not.
1849328;1536621744;mircea_popescu;also part and parcel of this conversation, http://trilema.com/2015/a-new-software-licensing-paradigm/#footnote_2_59725 & http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1738350
1849329;1536621744;a111;Logged on 2017-11-14 21:23 mircea_popescu: same way the same exact item opened cannon fire at the "taxpayers" from atop the walls of oxford.
1849330;1536623229;mircea_popescu;and, of course, ultimately it all boils down to http://trilema.com/2018/discordatum-wormatiense/ : permitting temporal power to the "spiritual" maniacs is suicide.
1849331;1536624565;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i turned up empty in search for occasion where oxford fired the cannons
1849332;1536624568;asciilifeform;did it happen ?
1849333;1536624611;mircea_popescu;really ? "siege of oxford" ?
1849334;1536624650;asciilifeform;hm
1849335;1536624675;asciilifeform;that'd be the city, not the university per se, neh
1849336;1536624682;mircea_popescu;see also baron's war, etc.
1849337;1536624685;asciilifeform;'strategic hamlet'(tm)(r)(kissinger)
1849338;1536624690;mircea_popescu;well the fortification is where it is.
1849339;1536624729;mircea_popescu;anyway, christchurch bought ye olde castle 16th century.
1849340;1536624782;asciilifeform;fair'nuff. tho i was hoping to turn up a neal-stephonson-esque ( he was rather fond of the idea, in his http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760798 ) scene where the logicians opened up on the unwashed
1849341;1536624782;a111;Logged on 2017-12-29 16:21 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/NwUJd/?raw=true
1849342;1536624812;mircea_popescu;well, it was the royalist capital in the civil war.
1849343;1536624822;asciilifeform;aha
1849344;1536624826;mircea_popescu;was your idea king's camp should exclude king ?
1849345;1536624865;asciilifeform;dunno that charles v fits the shoe of 'idea king'
1849346;1536624908;mircea_popescu;why not ? war between "science" parliament and "idea" king.
1849347;1536624952;asciilifeform;dunno if this owl stretches over this given globe. what 'science' , what 'idea'. afaik was old-gentry vs new-money pissing match.
1849348;1536624969;mircea_popescu;not like i'm saying it muyst fit ; or that i expect or i expect anyone expects history to be a neat didactic work for the benefit of future livers.
1849349;1536624982;asciilifeform;it verily doesn't, in this item
1849350;1536625009;mircea_popescu;i don't get how the necessary situation whereby conflict will follow age gap somehow changes what the conflict is about.
1849351;1536625033;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how wouldja describe what it was about ?
1849352;1536625041;mircea_popescu;charles was of the idea that he has the authority to rule as a thing of his own ; the unitarians were of the idea that "supreme executive power exudes from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony"
1849353;1536625068;mircea_popescu;derps wander in here all the time, "were's mp's mandate-from-the-people" ? seems it's enough of a divide to divide even today.
1849354;1536625086;mircea_popescu;what'd constitute a proper idea in your eyes ?
1849355;1536625090;asciilifeform;diff is that mircea_popescu has with what to make his objection stick; old man charles did not
1849356;1536625105;mircea_popescu;so in this sense charles is deposed and mp is not deposed. does this change anything ?
1849357;1536625120;mircea_popescu;the biathlonists who fail are not thereby horse jockeys.
1849358;1536625133;mircea_popescu;they're still biathlonists, if failed ones.
1849359;1536625138;*;asciilifeform can see it
1849360;1536625203;mircea_popescu;yes, THE NAME very much http://trilema.com/2018/wood-impregnated-in-oil-a-metaphor/#comment-126055 ; but ~THE TITLE~ ?
1849361;1536625223;mircea_popescu;seems enough of an idea to me, if need be.
1849362;1536625256;asciilifeform;it was clealy enuff of an idea that there was pretty close match, militarily
1849363;1536625259;PeterL;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-10#1849239 << cement hardens by simple chemical reaction incorporating O2 and/or H2O into the CaO lattice, connecting particles to make inorganic superstructural polymer matrix
1849364;1536625259;a111;Logged on 2018-09-10 16:53 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: by the 'to your eyes' standard -- i dun think i own any artifacts that work to any other standard. even cement block -- we do not presently know precisely why cement hardens.
1849365;1536625292;mircea_popescu;PeterL yes but this is the end state not the process
1849366;1536625308;mircea_popescu;cement ~= first and best inorganic polymer is afaik not disputed
1849367;1536625340;asciilifeform;PeterL: i can describe in roughly similar terms what the molybdenum does in modern steel. but not why needs such-and-such % , for different machineabilities.
1849368;1536625341;PeterL;process, you mean like how the oxygens migrate through the mixture?
1849369;1536625367;mircea_popescu;consider the case of paracetamol. "it takes body to cooler end state". yes, it does. how ?
1849370;1536625477;mircea_popescu;to take a practical tack : why is CaO matrix and SrAl2O4 matrix for strontium cement ?
1849371;1536625487;PeterL;biochemistry, mumble mumble, binding to receptors causing chain reaction cascade of molecular processes, er, sumthin
1849372;1536625497;mircea_popescu;can you somehow predict this'd be the end result ?
1849373;1536625612;mircea_popescu;"i have this inorganic polymerization model which permits me to predict the behaviour of calcium-based matrices and also predicts that should you replace the calcium with strontium, the oxigen content cvadruples ans there's need for an item extra in there that's just like aluminum for so and so reasons"
1849374;1536625666;mircea_popescu;otherwise yes, we've both noticed (and for a long time!) that sunsets and sunrises color the sky. took a WHILE to explain the fucking why.
1849375;1536625717;PeterL;well, I am not materials science expert, but those who study the subject should be able to explain "if I add a bit more of $element, the properties of the material will go $direction"
1849376;1536625751;mircea_popescu;i agree, the people who study subjects should be able to answer questions in subjects.
1849377;1536625761;mircea_popescu;the bitch is -- they aren't able to answer all questions.
1849378;1536625813;PeterL;sorry if I misunderstood, but it sounded like asciilifeform was saying that questions like this are not answerable by anybody
1849379;1536625872;mircea_popescu;well no, i'm sure it's there, just, i also don't currently know exactly how it works. though in my case could be for lack of caring, i haven't been doing any building in 15 years +
1849380;1536626006;PeterL;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-28#1786498 << btw, did you ever get that gpg replacement you were looking for?
1849381;1536626006;a111;Logged on 2018-02-28 15:57 mircea_popescu: ave1 you should ; also read through the eucrypt thing, ima (for instance) need someone to package it into a cmd line gpg replacement as soon as next wek.
1849382;1536626072;mircea_popescu;not afaik
1849383;1536626094;mircea_popescu;inexplicably enough, SIX months later that imminent need's still not burning my ass. nfi.
1849384;1536626254;PeterL;so the thing you want, would it replicate all of gpg functionality (making them compatible), or would a separate, simpler thing be good (just does encryp/decrypt and sign/verify using rsa)?
1849385;1536626274;mircea_popescu;if it does sign, verify, encrypt and decrypt i'm happy.
1849386;1536626286;mircea_popescu;heck, if it only does verify and encrypt i'm happy.
1849387;1536628854;asciilifeform;PeterL: i dun think i ever once said 'not answerable', lol
1849388;1536628884;asciilifeform;simply that the answer contains constants that were derived empirically.
1849389;1536628930;asciilifeform;incidentally much noise was made re the elaborate calculations of early nukes, but good chunk of the design params ~also~ only were accessible empirically. hence the slotin incident.
1849390;1536628991;asciilifeform;( errybody makes fun of the d00d, even speak of 'darwin award', but there was not really alternative to what he was doing, the $maxint robotic manipulators were built ~later~, after corpses were cold )
1849391;1536628999;asciilifeform;!#s slotin
1849392;1536628999;a111;10 results for "slotin", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=slotin
1849393;1536629060;asciilifeform;a good % of what goes into modern tech is derived in precisely this way.
1849394;1536629066;asciilifeform;even (horror) the analogue end of FG.
1849395;1536629356;asciilifeform;to an 'aristotelian', i imagine even what passes for sane engineering, is repulsive, because of this.
1849396;1536629486;asciilifeform;( oblig http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-21#1587313 )
1849397;1536629486;a111;Logged on 2016-12-21 18:48 asciilifeform: 'aristotle: your postulates are just as circular!' 'asciilifeform: i made a working diode from things i dug up' 'aristotle: you just got lucky'
1849398;1536630065;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: re paracetamol << lulzily, asciilifeform's 1st paying jerb was in a lab where studied inflammatory cascades. and legend had it that in very same room paracetamol was (by entirely unrelated folx, long ago) 1st tested .
1849399;1536630119;asciilifeform;the experience thoroughly cured asciilifeform of wanting anyffing to do with the field -- meat offers very little in the way of 'unifying theories'.
1849400;1536630168;asciilifeform;( re legend, i have nfi if true, iirc several countries claimed priority )
1849401;1536630291;asciilifeform;( funnily enuff, asciilifeform later ended up returning to meat, for some yrs, but thats another story )
1849402;1536630362;asciilifeform;at least in cement, the empirical fits in a constant. in meat work, it's a wall-sized (and necessarily incomplete) chart of bleargh.
1849403;1536635059;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nobody asked him to fuck with be sphere with screwdriver
1849404;1536635171;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in the sense of 'couldve looked for honest work!' ?
1849405;1536635174;asciilifeform;iguess
1849406;1536635184;mircea_popescu;no dude, in the sense of could have backup on
1849407;1536635198;mircea_popescu;nobody asks moron sysadmin to work with rm -y as default either
1849408;1536635208;mircea_popescu;yes sysadmin work needed. no, playing by seat of pants not necessary.
1849409;1536635241;mircea_popescu;i don't as much as fuck girls without backup, stottin' had to handle radionuclide resonant chamber. gimme break.
1849410;1536635268;asciilifeform;eh this was back when chemists tasted their output
1849411;1536635271;asciilifeform;life cheap.
1849412;1536635276;mircea_popescu;yes well.
1849413;1536635287;asciilifeform;modern folx err in the other dir
1849414;1536635311;asciilifeform;'cant do anyffing without $5mil robot and mother holding hand'
1849415;1536635312;mircea_popescu;i'm not even sure it's on the same line. modern folkx err through absence.
1849416;1536635322;asciilifeform;mainly yes
1849417;1536635384;asciilifeform;but i've met folx who wont even lick a 9v.
1849418;1536635387;mircea_popescu;but in other news, two moon junction epic film. imagine, two years later, i go to read http://trilema.com/2016/two-moon-junction/#selection-49.33-53.89 see wtf i said, i discover i did EXACTLY same thing!
1849419;1536636001;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: seems like lotsa rewatchings lately ?
1849420;1536636010;asciilifeform;new watchables ran out ?
1849421;1536636019;asciilifeform;( i can easily believe )
1849422;1536636024;mircea_popescu;yeah. for one thing i ran out of films ; and for the other as i said, i made a server, checking out what i got on it.
1849423;1536636029;asciilifeform;aaa
1849424;1536637393;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/three-rivers-approximately/ << Trilema - Three rivers. Approximately.
1849425;1536640327;mircea_popescu;"I feel now that it is ridiculous to make accusations against the Jews, attributing them qualities and methods which are really much more typically English than Jewish"
1849426;1536643970;mircea_popescu;in other lulz : oscar wilde's prison wailings (renamed "de profundis" by some buttfriend or other), uninteresting and unimportant as they may be, nevertheless were published in a bowdlerized version cca 1905, and in a proper version in 1960. THIS version is out of copyright in the world (which pointedly excludes the us) ; now go find it somewhere on teh http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-10#1849092
1849427;1536643970;a111;Logged on 2018-09-10 15:27 mircea_popescu: but i seriously do not see the need for a "web" to support this nonsense. they'd be much better served by a single pravda.
1849428;1536644020;mircea_popescu;let's look at the matter : the actual manuscript has been maintained online by the british museum for half a decade by now. more. out of all these "creative" kanzures, exactly ZERO actually transcribed it and published on their own fucking worthless "online presence".
1849429;1536644037;mircea_popescu;not even the lowliest of the lowliest fruit shall be picked up, year after year after year AFTER YEAR.
1849430;1536644068;mircea_popescu;nothing but neet-ing about and "do we still have to DO this" bla bla bla "the conversation" nonsense & sheer idiocy. nothing but. NOTHING BUT!
1849431;1536644089;mircea_popescu;how the fuck can there exist so-and-so billion "people" and zero work comes out of them year in, year out ? what is this ?
1849432;1536644183;mircea_popescu;what, i'm going to commission the transcription myself ? so what, imbeciles a la http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-04#1809349 can continue to pretendf like ANYTHING WHATSOEVER the fuck else exists ?!
1849433;1536644183;a111;Logged on 2018-05-04 17:15 zx2c4: mircea_popescu: oh. so. "the world doesnt care about the cool hackers on the internet, but only the assholes with prestigious positions." this has been a widely known complaint for a long time
1849434;1536644184;mircea_popescu;i don't even fucking like wilde!
1849435;1536674922;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in ancient trilemas, http://trilema.com/2011/planeta-pizdutelor/#comment-71237 << diana_coman recommends Cordwainer Smith (aka Linebarger) & a certain Vance as literate sf. anyone read these ?
1849436;1536675280;*;asciilifeform read linebarger
1849437;1536675302;asciilifeform;d00d was an interesting fella.
1849438;1536675467;mircea_popescu;diana_coman /me also answered the ancient debate meanwhile!
1849439;1536675686;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2011/dialogurile-sclavelor-pe-marginea-lumii-lu-gor/ << meanwhile in unexpected english text from before the great switch.
1849440;1536675723;diana_coman;I think it's one of those where we take one another's eyes out for half a day, at the end of which it turns out we actually agreed on the main point all along
1849441;1536675734;mircea_popescu;engineers debating!
1849442;1536675828;diana_coman;anyway, to the point: I still find Linebarger interesting, perhaps for the exact reason that I can't yet actually place him fully anywhere
1849443;1536675970;mircea_popescu;oh oh the atomsk guy!
1849444;1536676006;mircea_popescu;https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/88/Fantasy_book_1950_n6.jpg/330px-Fantasy_book_1950_n6.jpg << amusingly, EXACT pulp, as far as form is concerned.
1849445;1536676116;diana_coman;the venue for sure
1849446;1536676469;mircea_popescu;let's compare and contrast 1960s cheap illustrations : the neo-post-impressionist school ( https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/de/Galaxy_196210.jpg ) with the early-computerist-aesthetic (itself almost indistinguishable from "the votive america flying over some telegraph poles, drawn by qualified industrial draughtsman") : https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/90/Amazing_stories_196310.jpg
1849447;1536676549;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform anyway, here's a guy dead of ~heart attack~.
1849448;1536676590;asciilifeform;ACHTUNG all pizarro rockchip customers ! if you modified your /etc/conf.d/net , in recent 2 weeks, plz say ! asciilifeform currently suspects that somebody munged theirs, and it may account for diana_coman's unreachable box, we may have to take the pilot plant down for maintenance and manually dig, if nobody says anyffing
1849449;1536676706;mircea_popescu;o.O
1849450;1536676731;mircea_popescu;a) i am willing to bet you're the last one to have touched such. ; b) people can actually fuck up other's boxes' routing ?!
1849451;1536676749;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i test'em before handing over to mod6 .
1849452;1536676789;asciilifeform;and unfortunately it is the case that ips are static, and set in box, and accessible by user, this was in the log when the plant went online.
1849453;1536676900;mircea_popescu;so you're telling me douchebag could have taken out your entire plant if he had a clue ?
1849454;1536676910;mircea_popescu;hanbot : " spacecraft, which are crewed by humans telepathically linked with cats to defend against the attacks of malevolent entities in space, which are perceived by the humans as dragons, and by the cats as gigantic rats".
1849455;1536677048;mircea_popescu;"Meeya Meefla", the only city to have preserved its name from the pre-atomic era: evidently Miami, Florida << aaahahaha! this is carrying on. where do all the orcs wanna go ? to meeya meefla, the city of moafle.
1849456;1536677175;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i warned of this in the first days ( currently digging in log re exact line )
1849457;1536677198;asciilifeform;i do not currently know of any practical means to entirely isolate the boxes on the lan.
1849458;1536677214;mircea_popescu;nevermind entirely isolate ; why are they publishing their own routes ?
1849459;1536677230;asciilifeform;routes have 0 to do with it
1849460;1536677235;asciilifeform;recall how static ip works
1849461;1536677291;asciilifeform;there is not a 'smart' switch in the rack, all packets travel down all wires.
1849462;1536677296;mircea_popescu;i guess i'm not understranding the problem. how can box a make box b unreachable ?
1849463;1536677312;asciilifeform;by sitting down on top of its ip.
1849464;1536677328;mircea_popescu;this can only mean "by advertising that route" to me. what the fuck ?
1849465;1536677343;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-11#1833633 << 1 occasion where this happened.
1849466;1536677343;a111;Logged on 2018-07-11 22:41 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo plox to sit down on somewhere other than dulap ip.
1849467;1536677357;mircea_popescu;what is "sit down" mean, specifically.
1849468;1536677384;asciilifeform;when you set static ip in box, it starts answering packets addressed there, elementarily.
1849469;1536677393;mircea_popescu;and so what if it does ?
1849470;1536677414;asciilifeform;you get nonsense on the other end.
1849471;1536677426;asciilifeform;rather like 2 people sitting on 1 telephone wire.
1849472;1536677451;mircea_popescu;so to understand this : box x talks to box y. box y is ambiguously defined, both box a and b send ack in response, box x can not proceed connecting ?
1849473;1536677460;asciilifeform;correct
1849474;1536677468;mircea_popescu;isn't this a ~1940s problem solved by ROUTES ?
1849475;1536677477;mircea_popescu;whereby your switch does not forward packets coming from the wrong a ?
1849476;1536677518;asciilifeform;this requires 'smart' switch, where individual jacks are addressible
1849477;1536677549;mircea_popescu;you're telling me you have some magical lan whereby the boxes aren't distinguished ?
1849478;1536677593;asciilifeform;they're distinguished by mac ( which incidentally a malicious user could easily reset to be whatever he wants ) so the problem is only solvable in the general case by a router which operates jacks individually
1849479;1536677619;mircea_popescu;both the words "switch" and "router" actually originate from a time after this problem being resolved ;/ the switch will switch, and the router will route. you got a ... multiplexer ?
1849480;1536677635;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is only 'resolved' in the sense you are contemplating, on juniper and similar.
1849481;1536677653;asciilifeform;$50-100k usg.box.
1849482;1536677657;mircea_popescu;a large portion of why people are stuck paying that $$$ ; and i guess pizarro will too ?
1849483;1536677687;asciilifeform;nope, current pizarro policy is that users are to refrain from interfering with others.
1849484;1536677697;mircea_popescu;and you ~still~ don't see either the utility or the possibility of having a box do switching ?
1849485;1536677706;asciilifeform;i definitely see .
1849486;1536677723;mircea_popescu;aite
1849487;1536677825;mircea_popescu;at the very least you could have a listener attached, report to you cases of double-ack
1849488;1536677843;asciilifeform;theoretically yes
1849489;1536677849;asciilifeform;this is in the research conveyor
1849490;1536677860;asciilifeform;it won't reveal mac diddlers tho
1849491;1536677872;mircea_popescu;but btw, a) still stands. i judge the odds of some user even touching conf.d ~0 and the odds of your having accidentally used the wrong values during a resetting ~100%.
1849492;1536677909;asciilifeform;on the most recent occasion when i re-imaged rk ( actually 2 of'em ) i tested all 6.
1849493;1536677923;asciilifeform;but we'll find out the answer today.
1849494;1536677944;mircea_popescu;and of course this stands for whole space ? one could eg make foundation box inaccessible by renting rk ?
1849495;1536677962;asciilifeform;currently yes
1849496;1536677988;asciilifeform;l1 folx who do this, will be publicly shamed. new customer -- booted.
1849497;1536678057;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if you know how to perma-fix this with a box that doesn't cost 50k or take up an entire rack (i.e. x86 box with 9000 nics) i'm all ears.
1849498;1536678153;mircea_popescu;let me get this straight : if me and you have a rk, and you run your blog from there, and i overload your ip but only use port x which you do not use a) you'll never know and b) i have two ips now.
1849499;1536678197;*;mircea_popescu is currently thinking this should be turned into a feature.
1849500;1536678205;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-18#1801533 << orig thread
1849501;1536678205;a111;Logged on 2018-04-18 04:53 ben_vulpes: douchebag: pizarro board has serious reservations about your fucking up our honorsystem ip routing table and bringing dos/whatever hell down upon our little gated community, can i extract a commitment from you to not misbehave in my cab?
1849502;1536678247;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: right nao anybody can sit down on as many ips as he wants, or munge and retransmit , or pretty much any conceivable mischief.
1849503;1536678259;asciilifeform;because there is, in effect, 1 shared wire.
1849504;1536678302;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-18#1801952 << whole thrd
1849505;1536678302;a111;Logged on 2018-04-18 11:42 ascii_lander: the only sensible policy is to proclaim, ahead of time, that any customer found monkeying with the lan , will be banished, with no refunds and no recourse;
1849506;1536678308;mircea_popescu;so basically what's the idea here, "do not edit /etc/conf.d/net without checking with #pizarro" ?
1849507;1536678319;asciilifeform;aha. as explicitly proclaimed.
1849508;1536678339;mircea_popescu;anywhere a customer'd know ? such as a comment in the file itself ? such as on sales pagE ?
1849509;1536678355;asciilifeform;http://pizarroisp.net/pizarro-good-neighbor-policy/
1849510;1536678375;asciilifeform;written after 1st time we had this thread.
1849511;1536678487;asciilifeform;as the iron currently stands, it is a hostel, not hotel, and folx must refrain from shitting in one another's beds.
1849512;1536678533;asciilifeform;the rk's are on own physical switch, so if one of them pulls the lan to ground, it will take out only rk cluster. but that's the only isolation available.
1849513;1536678563;mircea_popescu;do me a favour and add #Do not change this if you're not entirely sure ; talk in #pizarro to make sure ; messing up the routing will cost you your reputation.
1849514;1536678566;mircea_popescu;or something
1849515;1536678583;asciilifeform;i'ma add it to the template, it will go on all new/reimaged boxen.
1849516;1536678587;mircea_popescu;cool.
1849517;1536678615;*;asciilifeform brb, tea
1849518;1536679159;mircea_popescu;anywway, to get back to the literature discussion : this http://www.gutenberg.org/files/29614/29614-h/29614-h.htm item is as fine an example of a principal cause of my distate for the stuff -- a certain pompieristic approach to engineering.
1849519;1536679246;mircea_popescu;so suppose as the premise that (all) people hallucinate "dragons" in so-and-so circumstances. there's nothing wrong with this whatsoever. all literature requires a premise ; the premise will be some thing not commonly seen. that's how it works, that's how it's supposed to work, it's not the fucking police blotter or an actuarial table, it's a story. no argument.
1849520;1536679339;mircea_popescu;necessarily, in order for literature to even exist, there must be a counter to this. an exception, a qualifying circumstance, what have you. say it is that class y doesn't share the property of class x. whether this is going over (people, yes, but CATS no) or going in (people, yes, except blonde virgin females with labia minora extending past and outside labia majora) it matters not.
1849521;1536679368;mircea_popescu;HOWEVER! the degree and type and quality of that going, in or over irrespective, then sets the tone for the whole piece. necessarily and without possibility of escape.
1849522;1536679538;mircea_popescu;because the space of possibilities constrains, very much like http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687609 ; once the quality of your going is "not people -- but cats" you're stuck writing a whimsical tale for 9 year old girls. because there, and there only, is the classification so gross as to go "people... cats..."
1849523;1536679538;a111;Logged on 2017-07-20 19:45 mircea_popescu: there is major difference between competition in software and competition in (any kind of) hardware. very narrow protein spaces in biofilms.
1849524;1536679566;mircea_popescu;IF you aim to write "science-" anything, you must therefore show finer understanding of the available categorization trees than "oh, people see dragons but cats see rats".
1849525;1536679640;mircea_popescu;but if instead you proceed to pile on "man-cat-head-intermingler" on top of the nonsense world made of people and cats and a chair, the result is not unlike the bridge that jack built : first it was a hovel, then it got a latrine boolted to the side and now somebody put a length of train track sorta sideways and calls it "a tunnel".
1849526;1536679849;mircea_popescu;in short, stories work by fusing portions of reality not currently seen fused ; making out relationships where no relationship ordinarily exists. that's what a story is, always. but if the story aims to connect items that can not be connected, because they for some preexisting cause necessarily can't be found in the same place at the same time, or because they're categorically different kinds of items, or for any other reason
1849527;1536679849;mircea_popescu;, the "story" attempting the fusing blindly becomes "pulp fiction" in literature, or "conspiracy theory" in the common course of storytelling (yes, that's what people do when they talk -- they tell stories).
1849528;1536679871;mircea_popescu;whereas if it's particularly good quality, exposing an ACTUAL connection not before observed for fault of observation, that story actually becomes outright science.
1849529;1536679904;mircea_popescu;thus therefore, i expect "science fiction" to be EXACTLY science that very well could have been, but happens to isn't ; not conspiracy theorism.
1849530;1536680039;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-11#1849451 << asciilifeform handed them over to me to test they had been reset, and one could login via a temp password.  This was done to douchebag's and mats' old rockchips.  They both worked great after reset.  I never touched the /etc/conf.d/net file.
1849531;1536680039;a111;Logged on 2018-09-11 14:39 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i test'em before handing over to mod6 .
1849532;1536680062;mod6;As far as my rockchip, it was mistakenly unplugged, and never worked after that.
1849533;1536680073;mircea_popescu;(for completeness, the other cause of my distaste is very poor mastery of the formal aspects of the craft, like in gor fragment linked or all of literotica or everything david mamet ever wrote. just BAD , especially dialogue, but overall this impression that a lame and blind guy's fighting for his life in wordmud)
1849534;1536680097;mircea_popescu;mod6 been a long time ?
1849535;1536680111;mod6;And further, I never touched my /etc/conf.d/net file either.
1849536;1536680124;mod6;I had been using my rockchip all the time.
1849537;1536680153;mod6;I can't say for mats' or douchebags, but I can attest that after they were reset, that I could log in successfully to each at least 1 time.
1849538;1536680172;mircea_popescu;no i mean, your own not working
1849539;1536680195;mod6;It's been about 8 or 9 days since it lost power.
1849540;1536680242;lobbes;ftr, this was the -exact- issue I was having (403 errors on www, no ssh, but could ping fine. Whatever BingoBoingo did for me then worked like a charm though.) http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-9-11#427159 << >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-31#1846123
1849541;1536680242;a111;Logged on 2018-08-31 13:15 lobbes: so I have a question for the more experienced server operators out there: As of yesterday I found that I can no longer ssh into my rockchip (eggog: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/PKeSK/?raw=true)
1849542;1536680242;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-09-11 09:31 diana_coman: good morning; I can't seem to be able to connect to my rockchip anymore: http (ossasepia.com) gives 403 You don't have permission to access / on this server ; ssh refuses connection too; there was NO change as far as I know - I haven't touched it in quite a while and last time I connected everything worked fine; any idea what might be wrong there, BingoBoingo ?
1849543;1536680296;lobbes;I can also confirm I have not touched my /etc/conf.d
1849544;1536680346;lobbes;*/etc/conf.d/net I mean
1849545;1536680512;mircea_popescu;*   Trying 161.0.121.198... connected
1849546;1536680512;mircea_popescu;* Connected to ossasepia.com (161.0.121.198) port 80 (#0)
1849547;1536680512;mircea_popescu;> GET / HTTP/1.1
1849548;1536680530;mircea_popescu;^ it's strictly impossible for the problem asciilifeform to be involved, seeing how i actually do handshake.
1849549;1536680549;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform described*
1849550;1536680616;asciilifeform;back
1849551;1536680787;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: we do not currently know, but BingoBoingo is in the cage as we speak with the uart probe.
1849552;1536680835;mircea_popescu;k
1849553;1536680838;asciilifeform;( #p will have realtime progress )
1849554;1536680915;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-11#1849540 << what exactly was this ?
1849555;1536680915;a111;Logged on 2018-09-11 15:37 lobbes: ftr, this was the -exact- issue I was having (403 errors on www, no ssh, but could ping fine. Whatever BingoBoingo did for me then worked like a charm though.) http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-9-11#427159 << >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-31#1846123
1849556;1536680915;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-09-11 09:31 diana_coman: good morning; I can't seem to be able to connect to my rockchip anymore: http (ossasepia.com) gives 403 You don't have permission to access / on this server ; ssh refuses connection too; there was NO change as far as I know - I haven't touched it in quite a while and last time I connected everything worked fine; any idea what might be wrong there, BingoBoingo ?
1849557;1536681711;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: What worked for that was a power cycle, but...
1849558;1536681767;asciilifeform;this is pretty alarming
1849559;1536681869;mircea_popescu;lol did you contribute a few boxes to the internet's efforts to spam itslef ?
1849560;1536681988;asciilifeform;i'd luvv to get an 0day out of this story, but i suspect culprit is more boring
1849561;1536682972;mircea_popescu;"Where would he ever find a woman who could compare with her?" dawg, check it! out and out fury-ism!
1849562;1536683528;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/rkuart.jpg << for fyootoor ref
1849563;1536684347;asciilifeform;!Q later tell diana_coman didja rebuild your rk kernel with no xhci ( usb3 ) ?
1849564;1536684347;lobbesbot;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1849565;1536684381;diana_coman;asciilifeform, no; and moreover as previously stated in between "it works" and "it doesn't work" I did not even connect to it!
1849566;1536684382;lobbesbot;diana_coman: Sent just now: <asciilifeform> didja rebuild your rk kernel with no xhci ( usb3 ) ?
1849567;1536684394;asciilifeform;diana_coman: yes i know
1849568;1536684397;asciilifeform;i gotta ask
1849569;1536684417;asciilifeform;diana_coman: currently looks like you have a dying ssd
1849570;1536684428;diana_coman;o.O
1849571;1536684436;diana_coman;that was ...quick
1849572;1536684537;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, I can see the issues you raise, they are standing.
1849573;1536684605;asciilifeform;http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/rk_e_sads.txt
1849574;1536684646;asciilifeform;^ uart
1849575;1536684660;asciilifeform;[    9.105595] blk_update_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 33827664 << consistently across boots
1849576;1536684726;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i'ma ask BingoBoingo to plug this disk into one of your other boxes (plox to choose which one) so you can recover any state you had not a chance to back up; meanwhile you will be issued a spare .
1849577;1536684735;asciilifeform;( there are two spares on hand, for this event )
1849578;1536684751;asciilifeform;next we will probe mod6's box
1849579;1536684858;asciilifeform;now you folx know what 'pilot plant' means !
1849580;1536684866;asciilifeform;and why asciilifeform did not hurry to buy 9000 of these drives
1849581;1536684904;diana_coman;technically speaking I don't own any other box - they are leased by smg rather than by me and I'm not very keen on mixing the stuff tbh; I'll check the backups to see if there's anything worth the trouble still lost
1849582;1536684921;asciilifeform;diana_coman: this is strictly optional
1849583;1536684972;diana_coman;the lifetime of this drive though seems veeery short, so I need to decide on wtf
1849584;1536686363;diana_coman;asciilifeform, can the disk be connected to the working rockchip itself so I rummage there? atm it seems it's only the very latest comments that'd be lost so I'm in 2 minds about it anyway
1849585;1536686397;asciilifeform;diana_coman: plz pop into #p & watch for updates, we are in the process of eliminating other potential culprits
1849586;1536686408;diana_coman;asciilifeform, ok
1849587;1536686410;asciilifeform;one of the 'dead' sticks seems to read entirely ok in dulap
1849588;1536686422;diana_coman;oh, hm
1849589;1536686431;asciilifeform;( which is usb2 only ) so i currently suspect dirty or underforced connections
1849590;1536688420;asciilifeform;diana_coman: can you ssh to your rk nao ?
1849591;1536689139;asciilifeform;diana_coman: plz give ( or not ) permission to modify your rk filesystem to enable uart console ( /etc/inittab )
1849592;1536689155;asciilifeform;we've discovered some pretty odd things
1849593;1536689196;asciilifeform;the sad boxen boot if stick is moved to usb2 jack. i currently suspect loose or contaminated contacts in usb3 ( it has additional pins towards the back )
1849594;1536689210;asciilifeform;however, diana_coman's unit boots, and initializes ssh , etc , but doesn't appear to actually listen on the port
1849595;1536689632;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-11#1849583 << it has smart data, doesn't it ? read it.
1849596;1536689632;a111;Logged on 2018-09-11 16:56 diana_coman: the lifetime of this drive though seems veeery short, so I need to decide on wtf
1849597;1536689652;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: sticks dun have smart ( at least any i've seen )
1849598;1536689660;mircea_popescu;for ssds especially is most illustrative (pro tip : it is not popssible to get bad sectors while drive not worn out (ie spares still exist) ; if drive worn out why was it in) etc
1849599;1536689664;asciilifeform;but currently i suspect it aint the stick, watch #p for updates
1849600;1536689675;mircea_popescu;wait, these are the stick-for-hdd items ?
1849601;1536689678;asciilifeform;yes !
1849602;1536689688;asciilifeform;as described in agonizing detail in log and photo
1849603;1536689715;asciilifeform;anyway currently seems like the 'dead' sticks aint dead
1849604;1536689728;asciilifeform;the boxen boot without eggog when they're installed in usb2 jack
1849605;1536689736;mircea_popescu;yeah, i r forgot.
1849606;1536689738;mircea_popescu;aanyways.
1849607;1536689754;asciilifeform;something moar peculiar is at work, we're to find what it is .
1849608;1536689852;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in other news nobody cares about, ro "musama" is not, as i had thought, commie-era invention to describe early plastics (in early application, vinyl table cloth) like "bakelite", but ancient tk word for waxcloth (müsemma). all neologisms are turkish in origin!!1
1849609;1536689869;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: do you know tr ?
1849610;1536689882;mircea_popescu;very vaguely.
1849611;1536689887;asciilifeform;asciilifeform went on a tr kick recently, and turns out it's ridiculously simple , after all is a conlang
1849612;1536689891;mircea_popescu;yes.
1849613;1536689897;asciilifeform;( they had their oddball revolution and junked their classical one )
1849614;1536689917;mircea_popescu;it's like "do oyu know neogreek" "who the fuck ever would ?!"
1849615;1536689934;mircea_popescu;classical tk, in the sense of sublime porte tk, is mostly a case of "do you know all the relevant poetry"
1849616;1536689938;asciilifeform;i only even thought to ask because mircea_popescu wrote about hanging out in stambul erry chance he got
1849617;1536689953;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ja but they wrote their poems in persian
1849618;1536689961;mircea_popescu;imo it's the better euro town. not to disparage vienna
1849619;1536689971;mircea_popescu;but certainly to disparage london & paris.
1849620;1536690002;mircea_popescu;i suppose in the end a very rosettian view.
1849621;1536690007;asciilifeform;i admit i kinda like tr, the martian grammar is appealing
1849622;1536690026;asciilifeform;( agglutinative thing , completely incompat with indoeuro and even semit structure )
1849623;1536690079;asciilifeform;rather like kazah, but without the puddle of oddball tenses
1849624;1536690237;mircea_popescu;very federative mindset, the turks.
1849625;1536690260;mircea_popescu;all "conquered peoples" must be let do as they will, all syllabic agglomeration must be permitted to sit undisturbed, millet all the way
1849626;1536690294;asciilifeform;i do not currently know out of what ataturk & co. sewed together current-tr
1849627;1536690357;mircea_popescu;process not so similar to the invention of "modern russian".
1849628;1536690402;asciilifeform;not really
1849629;1536690436;asciilifeform;lunacharsky (lenin's 'culture' vizier) just snipped off coupla unphonemic letters from alphabet
1849630;1536690446;asciilifeform;( as peter previously did )
1849631;1536690461;asciilifeform;there was not a 'neo greek'-style process.
1849632;1536690560;*;asciilifeform routinely reads pre-1917 texts, they're stylistically unremarkable , simply got 3 'extra' glyphs
1849633;1536690594;asciilifeform;sorta funny , in 1990s ru various 'monarchist'-style folx went around trying to put'em back ~in~ . but naturally did not know the proper rules for their use, ended up with somewhat comical output
1849634;1536690653;asciilifeform;compared to what, e.g., mao, did to ~his~ lang -- very small diff.
1849635;1536690680;asciilifeform;re turks, supposedly 80+% of ottoman-era dictionary consisted of persisms/arabisms.
1849636;1536690688;asciilifeform;which got nailed in their rev.
1849637;1536690696;asciilifeform;so they ended up liek greeks.
1849638;1536690787;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform as i say, not so similar.
1849639;1536690800;asciilifeform;lol i think i missed the 'not'
1849640;1536690804;asciilifeform;so yea
1849641;1536690822;asciilifeform;iirc the greeks in their turn were trying to ditch the turkisms
1849642;1536690835;asciilifeform;but asciilifeform doesn't know enuff to say
1849643;1536690864;diana_coman;asciilifeform, oh hey, I CAN ssh into my rockchip apparently
1849644;1536690910;asciilifeform;diana_coman: that's pretty odd, i could not get it to tcp on 22
1849645;1536690925;asciilifeform;diana_coman: do you see anyffing peculiar in the logs ?
1849646;1536690977;asciilifeform;diana_coman: we temporarily powered up your unit with the drive on usb2 bus
1849647;1536690983;mircea_popescu;there's this weird period in the 19th and 20th century wherein the application of "that there was a limit where the flaunting of their foul acts and opinions before the world must stop" was that "if you agree the world's in summary ourdemocracy, you may continue to try and implement your boyish nonsense in particular, short ranged versions"
1849648;1536690992;asciilifeform;diana_coman: this produced an apparently normal (uartwise) boot
1849649;1536691002;mircea_popescu;hence "nationalism" as a concept -- aims to be the answer to "what boy society could exist in female world ???"
1849650;1536691008;diana_coman;asciilifeform, eh, my ssh is not on 22
1849651;1536691011;mircea_popescu;and in this context, all sorts of "improvements"
1849652;1536691012;asciilifeform;aaaaaaaa
1849653;1536691020;asciilifeform;diana_coman: that'd explain
1849654;1536691024;asciilifeform;( and smart )
1849655;1536691035;*;diana_coman goes to look into logs
1849656;1536691047;asciilifeform;diana_coman: see if you can find why your apache fell down
1849657;1536691063;asciilifeform;diana_coman: and if anything in /var/log/messages loox strange.
1849658;1536691067;mircea_popescu;apache ~will~ fall down now and again, usually through oom.
1849659;1536691090;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i haven't used apache in yrs, so cannot say yes/no
1849660;1536691132;asciilifeform;of nginx (such as it is) i get infinite uptime ( never yet seen it fall spontaneously )
1849661;1536691151;asciilifeform;however diana_coman's did not come to life on boot, so i suspect a config oddity
1849662;1536691181;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo is as we speak out in the shops fetching contact cleaner and freon.
1849663;1536691185;diana_coman;asciilifeform, I did not set apache to start on boot, no; that much I'm not surprised at
1849664;1536691192;asciilifeform;another puzzle solved !
1849665;1536691220;diana_coman;I'm so fed up with "resets" that if my machine resets, I'd rather know+have a look at it then have everything restart
1849666;1536691220;mircea_popescu;148 days 13 hours 4 minutes 56 seconds on trilema box.
1849667;1536691259;asciilifeform;diana_coman: this is not bad approach ( tho i still have my boxen set to come to life on boot, as sometimes i am away from console for entire day )
1849668;1536691285;asciilifeform;( on other hand i have logs saving to external box -- and displayed -- in real time )
1849669;1536691367;asciilifeform;diana_coman: plox to lemme know if you find any clue re why the machine fell.
1849670;1536691376;diana_coman;will do
1849671;1536691383;asciilifeform;or any item whatsoever out of the ordinary
1849672;1536691421;asciilifeform;diana_coman: one other q -- which kernel are you presently using ?
1849673;1536691450;diana_coman;asciilifeform, on rockchip as it was, I didn't fiddle with its kernel
1849674;1536691451;asciilifeform;( kernel lives on sd card, mounted as /boot )
1849675;1536691453;asciilifeform;ok
1849676;1536691465;asciilifeform;canhaz   uname -a   plox ?
1849677;1536691625;diana_coman;asciilifeform: Linux ossasepia 4.4.114asciilifeform #3 SMP Wed Apr 11 03:53:21 -00 2018 aarch64 GNU/Linux
1849678;1536691739;asciilifeform;danke schon diana_coman
1849679;1536691762;diana_coman;you know, it'd be funny if it turned out it is some usb3 shit, just in case there wasn't enough reason to get rid of it
1849680;1536691789;BingoBoingo;At this point the question is physical usb3 shit or software usb3 shit
1849681;1536692382;asciilifeform;update : eliminated august kernel as possible cause
1849682;1536692402;asciilifeform;( there appear to be four affected units, incl. diana_coman's )
1849683;1536692432;asciilifeform;vacant unit 'A' behaves same as diana_coman's , and exactly same after april kernel re-emplaced there
1849684;1536692749;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in freenode idiocy, i give you http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Baprj/?raw=true aka "how to ping out for being idle 4 minutes while exchanging data the very second prior"
1849685;1536693996;asciilifeform;diana_coman: we found the culprit, will report here shortly
1849686;1536694019;asciilifeform;diana_coman: meanwhile i'ma have to issue diana_coman and mod6 with spare sticks after all, so diana_coman plox to give signal when ok to power down your unit
1849687;1536694026;asciilifeform;i'ma bitwise rescue your contents onto virgin
1849688;1536694034;asciilifeform;we will purchase new drives asap
1849689;1536694127;diana_coman;asciilifeform, ah, ok; I haven't really found anything useful in logs so far
1849690;1536694164;diana_coman;asciilifeform, I disconnected from the rockchip
1849691;1536694175;asciilifeform;danke schon diana_coman
1849692;1536694522;asciilifeform;ok i have a prelim verdict :
1849693;1536694546;asciilifeform;the samsung sticks are sad. back contacts (usb3) in'em, slowly dissolve
1849694;1536694549;asciilifeform;( perhaps from heat )
1849695;1536694562;asciilifeform;this is the last time we use plastic-faced usb3 sticks.
1849696;1536694600;asciilifeform;diana_coman and mod6 will be bitwise-copied to the 2 virginal spares today, and the entire cluster will be moved onto new sticks . the latter will be obtained asap.
1849697;1536695007;asciilifeform;errybody should be back in biz in 3-4 hrs.
1849698;1536695341;asciilifeform;http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-9-11#427276 << whole log of the hunt, for reference .
1849699;1536695341;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-09-11 15:01 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In the cage
1849700;1536695770;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo is quite the useful remote pair of hands by now, isn't he.
1849701;1536695786;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo did a++++ work in the bilge today (and to date) .
1849702;1536695832;asciilifeform;and he's got a good memory, i suspect he won't need explicit instruction next time.
1849703;1536695836;mircea_popescu;anyway. what model samsungs ? or ?
1849704;1536695866;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: MUF-128BB/AM
1849705;1536695890;asciilifeform;and ha, they're apparently off the market nao
1849706;1536695900;asciilifeform;i suspect we weren't the only ones.
1849707;1536695962;mircea_popescu;strangely these are supposedly very low heat.
1849708;1536695978;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: mine right here is a good 45C
1849709;1536695987;asciilifeform;which i suspect is bit much
1849710;1536696002;asciilifeform;(prolly can thank pbfree solders...)
1849711;1536696042;asciilifeform;currently i am looking at replacement https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-BAR-Plus-128GB-MUF-128BE4/dp/B07BPG9YX9 , which is a good ~4cm iron pig
1849712;1536696044;mircea_popescu;isn't this a metal casing item ?
1849713;1536696058;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the orig is a ~1cm thing, with plastic arse
1849714;1536696068;asciilifeform;~0 heat transfer to anyffing but the jack iron
1849715;1536696114;asciilifeform;http://aaronrogier.net/uart2.JPG << from #p log, they are visible
1849716;1536696144;mircea_popescu;well what can i tell ya, this looks like it's a premium item.
1849717;1536696165;asciilifeform;lol , is what asciilifeform thought !
1849718;1536696717;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: This is what it looks like when you throw 8 of them in Amazon cart. http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/xlJ9O/?raw=true
1849719;1536696791;asciilifeform;approx what i'd expect
1849720;1536703973;asciilifeform;update : diana_coman's disk set to copy in parallel with mod6's
1849721;1536703981;asciilifeform;( using vacant rk )
1849722;1536710004;asciilifeform;!Q later tell diana_coman plox to log into your unit and put it through any necessary tests
1849723;1536710004;lobbesbot;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1849724;1536710012;asciilifeform;!Q later tell mod6 plox to log into your unit and put it through any necessary tests
1849725;1536710012;lobbesbot;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1849726;1536710049;asciilifeform;when both of you ping me back with green light signal, i'ma zero the old sticks and have BingoBoingo mail'em to asciilifeformistan for the vivisection table
1849727;1536710310;asciilifeform;in the coming days BingoBoingo will obtain a blower to give added airflow to the pilot plant , oughta extend the life of the remaining sadsamsungs until we get the replacements in.
1849728;1536710333;asciilifeform;mod6, diana_coman you should be back in biznis nao, plz say asap if notice any problem.
1849729;1536710357;asciilifeform;and ty BingoBoingo for the skilled hands.
1849730;1536710469;asciilifeform;mod6: at your earliest convenience plox to comment re the proposed replacement drives.
1849731;1536710482;asciilifeform;i'd like to get'em purchased and sailing to BingoBoingostan asap.
1849732;1536710609;asciilifeform;mod6: plox to credit diana_coman with phree day of rk service, and yerself -- 8d
1849733;1536710639;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo btw is chair nao, so lesse if he agrees.
1849734;1536710723;mircea_popescu;so in the end the idea is, plant ran too hot, ssd contacts lost contact ?
1849735;1536710734;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: these sad stix run hot.
1849736;1536710756;asciilifeform;plant per se imho ok, i've yet to see a thermal sad on a rk cpu
1849737;1536710793;mircea_popescu;the idea being that they're made for consumer market, and no luser complains because no luser seriously uses them or somesuch ?
1849738;1536710808;asciilifeform;precisely so
1849739;1536710834;mircea_popescu;meaning we're, well, you're the first & only to even try this thing ?
1849740;1536710839;asciilifeform;quite likely
1849741;1536710843;asciilifeform;ditto the rk
1849742;1536710849;asciilifeform;i dunno of anybody else using'em in a plant
1849743;1536710857;asciilifeform;hence why 'pilot'
1849744;1536710860;mircea_popescu;the sad of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-11#1849428 ever recurring.
1849745;1536710860;a111;Logged on 2018-09-11 05:33 mircea_popescu: let's look at the matter : the actual manuscript has been maintained online by the british museum for half a decade by now. more. out of all these "creative" kanzures, exactly ZERO actually transcribed it and published on their own fucking worthless "online presence".
1849746;1536710868;asciilifeform;exactly this, mircea_popescu
1849747;1536710869;mircea_popescu;but hey, at least doing things & trying things.
1849748;1536710889;asciilifeform;must.
1849749;1536710919;mircea_popescu;and in other "the web has failed, utterly" lulz : trilema's "Links from an external page (other web sites except search engines)" managed for the first time in history an epic 0.0% this month.
1849750;1536710938;asciilifeform;ha i suppose this means ~nobody's been reading mine either
1849751;1536710946;mircea_popescu;meaning that ~nobody finds trilema via the web, ie, everyone who can read it already knows it.
1849752;1536710961;asciilifeform;not even via log www ?
1849753;1536710965;asciilifeform;or these excluded
1849754;1536710970;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the numbers aren't absolute 0. there's reddit and facebook and the logs and your site and everything in there, the full list is >2k separate domains
1849755;1536710973;asciilifeform;aa
1849756;1536710978;asciilifeform;so swamped by spamolade
1849757;1536710985;mircea_popescu;but they don't figure as even 1:2k in general.
1849758;1536710991;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform mostly, swamped by direct traffic.
1849759;1536711000;mircea_popescu;spamolade counted separately for my convenience.
1849760;1536711051;asciilifeform;aa
1849761;1536711064;mircea_popescu;my conclusion is that ~100.0% of the people who could possibly read trilema discovered it already.
1849762;1536711068;asciilifeform;this fits with the earlier mircea_popescu hypothesis yes
1849763;1536711078;asciilifeform;where 'search engines' are largely spambots talking to selves
1849764;1536711098;mircea_popescu;search enbgines separate heading, 0.5%
1849765;1536711115;asciilifeform;iirc mircea_popescu recently finally gave the control shot into the head of google bot
1849766;1536711120;asciilifeform;so this might account for the dip
1849767;1536711128;mircea_popescu;i did ?!
1849768;1536711137;asciilifeform;iptables nullroute neh
1849769;1536711149;mircea_popescu;but that's on the terminal ; what's it do to with the server ?
1849770;1536711163;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2018/how-to-remove-usgalphabet-usually-called-google-by-the-jews-pantsuit-from-your-web-experience
1849771;1536711169;asciilifeform;aah this was only on console ?
1849772;1536711178;mircea_popescu;well yes, what's it to do on a server ?
1849773;1536711183;mircea_popescu;not like servers do google searches
1849774;1536711187;asciilifeform;i thought it was for server
1849775;1536711198;mircea_popescu;trilema never had google analytics in the modern period.
1849776;1536711205;mircea_popescu;well no, but i mean... what's the server ever connect to google for ?
1849777;1536711206;asciilifeform;well noshit
1849778;1536711216;asciilifeform;i thought it was to cut down on bw burned on ~incoming~ bots
1849779;1536711225;asciilifeform;sorta like phuctor usedto have
1849780;1536711233;mircea_popescu;nah, it was to cut down on bullshit webpages doing cross-site loads.
1849781;1536711237;asciilifeform;aaaaa
1849782;1536711239;asciilifeform;aitre
1849783;1536711241;asciilifeform;*aite
1849784;1536711263;mircea_popescu;truthfully, it was originally attempt to control firefox hopeless idiocy ; but the research into that yielded more generally useful "how to truly escape panopticon"
1849785;1536711267;asciilifeform;at one time i had a 'nuke anyffing that behaves like bot' on dulap
1849786;1536711291;asciilifeform;( then finally cured the db headaches, and stopped )
1849787;1536711292;mircea_popescu;which is what the article was about ; "privacy" "online" isn't worth two shits when every single page loads google.ajaxapi googlefonts googleanalytics etc.
1849788;1536711301;asciilifeform;ok this makes sense.
1849789;1536711301;mircea_popescu;it's likle... redundant triangulation, the bs they got.
1849790;1536711318;mircea_popescu;incidentally, usg.cloudflare got apparently mandated to involve usg.alphabet, they now import it
1849791;1536711336;asciilifeform;i've experimented with lan-side rubbish filtration, but found it to be a headache, sumthing always slips through
1849792;1536711372;mircea_popescu;i'm confident article lists all current google ranges, but as it says, they might have secret ones etc. really what it does is shoot in the head the orcish habit of importing pantsuitism.
1849793;1536711397;asciilifeform;they expand erryday
1849794;1536711414;asciilifeform;( and dun bother to tell where they expanded to, naturally )
1849795;1536711436;mircea_popescu;i get >10k failed attempts to load "fonts.google.com" a day for instance.
1849796;1536711444;asciilifeform;ugh
1849797;1536711447;mircea_popescu;look at eg https://www.w3schools.com/howto/howto_google_fonts.asp for an idea of how this works.
1849798;1536711457;asciilifeform;btw you prolly know why
1849799;1536711518;mircea_popescu;xmlhttp.open("GET", "https://www.googleapis.com/webfonts/v1/webfonts?key=AIzaSyCz-kpy86ft7U0Dh1LYkhTxrr_QPK27s1I&", true); fine example as any
1849800;1536711532;mircea_popescu;opens it ~through a dom call!!!~ to hide it from the usual filters.
1849801;1536711609;asciilifeform;'truetype' 0days.
1849802;1536711631;mircea_popescu;so yeah, between the "googleapis", the "google fgonts", "google advertising" and "analytics" and 2-3 other culprits, google gets half dozen+ cookies loaded into your browser PER "3rd party" page.
1849803;1536711654;mircea_popescu;plus js shenanigans, plus dom/html5 shenanigans, plus etcetera.
1849804;1536711669;asciilifeform;is what 50MB www sadpages are made of, yes
1849805;1536711688;mircea_popescu;for all the derpage about "attack sites using your computer to mine shitcoins" in the usg.fakenews media, google's been using well over half of everyone's cpu an' ram for the past i dunno, decade ?
1849806;1536711704;asciilifeform;and for what.
1849807;1536711748;mircea_popescu;"but that's ok". why ? "because it's useless, or in proper terminology, http://trilema.com/2015/the-squares-and-the-holes/#selection-343.264-343.462 "
1849808;1536711782;mircea_popescu;in other words, the alphabet nonsense is certified to never do anything [to break out of the gulag] whereas the shitcoin nonsense just fucking might. unlikely as all hell, nevertheless unlikely's too dangerous a danger!
1849809;1536711821;asciilifeform;the js shitcoin miner thing is lulzy, as we speak it is falling victim to the freshly baked asics for 'asic-resistant' liquishit
1849810;1536711827;mircea_popescu;doh.
1849811;1536711835;asciilifeform;the idjits who bothered, nao get to sit and cry and mebbe learn sumthing
1849812;1536711856;mircea_popescu;the infallible mark of the imbecile, whereby he'll create a "math proof world" wherein the fact he can't lean math won't enslave him to they who can.
1849813;1536711874;asciilifeform;not like shitcoin nets aint expendable, tho
1849814;1536711884;asciilifeform;for all i know, the chinese asic bakers will cry last.
1849815;1536711890;mircea_popescu;ye olde http://trilema.com/2018/le-salaire-de-lidiotie/#selection-165.280-165.733 thing.
1849816;1536711905;asciilifeform;( why anybody would invest in asic-baking for a shitcoin-of-the-day, i do not know )
1849817;1536711914;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform im sure like the shovel merchants of 1848, they sell for cash sufficient.
1849818;1536711916;asciilifeform;spamming js has ~0 nre cost . asic > 0.
1849819;1536711928;asciilifeform;i suppose from that pov asic could +ev
1849820;1536711936;asciilifeform;if can match'em up with suckers fast enuff.
1849821;1536711959;mircea_popescu;possibly.
1849822;1536711982;asciilifeform;problem with asic is that you gotta bake & liquidate 50-100k units, to break even, as i currently understand
1849823;1536711992;asciilifeform;seems like tall order for monerozcashodium-of-the-day
1849824;1536712002;mircea_popescu;i have long suspected your numbers were off ; as recently discussed.
1849825;1536712008;asciilifeform;they could be !!
1849826;1536712029;asciilifeform;my numbers are from almost 10y ago.
1849827;1536712033;BingoBoingo;Ah, 17th anniversary of 9/11 passes and the most interesting news in the world is Samsung quietly removed a defective USB ssd from market without recalling it
1849828;1536712044;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: ~nobody ~ever recall shit.
1849829;1536712050;asciilifeform;it only happens when usg prods
1849830;1536712062;mircea_popescu;back in the original "asic" days, the first "company" that made it, consisted entirely of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-04#1847453 fellows -- not particularly bright, but with chinese presence.
1849831;1536712062;a111;Logged on 2018-09-04 15:36 mircea_popescu: i dunno what the fuck you think juniper is ; but as a factual matter juniper is the result of exactly this conversation among dumber people ~15 years ago.
1849832;1536712089;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc 1st 'btc asic' were entirely fraudulent fpga-with-sanded-top
1849833;1536712092;mircea_popescu;i didn't judge it more than "one of the schmucks is fucking some local baillif's daughter" or such ; they never looked like anything more than high six figures were ever available to them.
1849834;1536712096;mircea_popescu;this was many years ago.
1849835;1536712098;asciilifeform;these then financed baking of actual asic
1849836;1536712104;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nah, the first actually successful thing.
1849837;1536712116;asciilifeform;yes but it was paid for iirc with this.
1849838;1536712128;mircea_popescu;the fpga-sanded-off was usg's own fraud division "butterfly labls", with the mafia dorks.
1849839;1536712136;asciilifeform;oh hm
1849840;1536712139;mircea_popescu;the actuall successful item was asic-something, unrelated entirely.
1849841;1536712154;*;asciilifeform does not know for certain, was not fully tuned in then
1849842;1536712199;asciilifeform;i also remember a very spotty performance in the orig asics, where ~random selection of subcores actually ran, and no attempt was made to 'package the defective transistors in separate bag for your convenience sir'
1849843;1536712237;asciilifeform;some folx got 200kHash/s chips, others 300, 400...
1849844;1536712260;asciilifeform;the sort of thing you wouldn't tolerate in even tire nipples
1849845;1536712327;mircea_popescu;let me dig through teh archives, might as well.
1849846;1536712358;asciilifeform;btw if mircea_popescu or somebody else here discovers that asic ( ~actual~ asic, not metallization-fpga ) can nao be baked for a coupla coin, asciilifeform will not cry; quite opposite.
1849847;1536712404;asciilifeform;FG for instance is fully asicable as-it-stands
1849848;1536712411;asciilifeform;with 0 changes to the coad
1849849;1536712443;asciilifeform;( was made this way quite deliberately )
1849850;1536712480;asciilifeform;i would not propose it as the 1st to bake, tho. but there it is.
1849851;1536712705;*;mod6 reads scrollback
1849852;1536712705;lobbesbot;mod6: Sent 44 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> plox to log into your unit and put it through any necessary tests
1849853;1536712803;mircea_popescu;ok, so the thing that meanwhile "became" bitmain through "incorporating" in the sense of ditching the "forum investors" and any possible claims they may have was, before that move, the first and only ever "investment success" of tardstalk, made the "asicminer". "ceo" was one "freidcat"
1849854;1536712818;asciilifeform;name sounds familiar
1849855;1536712825;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/of-mice-and-men-revisited/#selection-35.0-41.334 is probably the controlling story, but basically, six or so years ago there was one single "success" in a cloud of utter inept idiots.
1849856;1536712841;mircea_popescu;they fucked up the financial side, after managing to be the 1-in-100 that didn't fuck up the operational side.
1849857;1536712913;mircea_popescu;anyway, whatever that discussion -- the point is that a bunch of tards with some modicum of chinerse connection turned <1mn into actual baked chips cca 2012.
1849858;1536712952;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/the-analysis-of-a-failure-asicminer/ << more detail on same topic.
1849859;1536712982;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 1mn in cash + some unknown amount of promisolade to sumbody, neh
1849860;1536712993;asciilifeform;backed with... idk what ( kneecaps ? )
1849861;1536712995;mircea_popescu;i doubt anyone'd have thought their promises solvent.
1849862;1536713001;asciilifeform;is what i'd think
1849863;1536713005;asciilifeform;but i do not know
1849864;1536713025;asciilifeform;in '90s ru derps were able to borrow from newly-baked banks. at 20%. backed with soldering iron and wife.
1849865;1536713037;asciilifeform;maybe cn similar.
1849866;1536713112;asciilifeform;could be, friedcat et al had 4 daughters to put as collateral.
1849867;1536713133;mircea_popescu;seems unlikely.
1849868;1536713146;asciilifeform;can't currently think of how else.
1849869;1536713196;asciilifeform;the asic folx did get a certain amt of lift from self-mining and the rising usd exch figure
1849870;1536713233;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-11#1849711 << >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-12#1849730 << Looks good to me, just say when and will get BB the funds for an order.
1849871;1536713233;a111;Logged on 2018-09-11 20:00 asciilifeform: currently i am looking at replacement https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-BAR-Plus-128GB-MUF-128BE4/dp/B07BPG9YX9 , which is a good ~4cm iron pig
1849872;1536713233;a111;Logged on 2018-09-12 00:01 asciilifeform: mod6: at your earliest convenience plox to comment re the proposed replacement drives.
1849873;1536713237;asciilifeform;( baking asics is a pretty straight way to bank on rising btcusd )
1849874;1536713250;*;mod6 goes off to test the rockchip
1849875;1536713253;mircea_popescu;meanwhile of course, http://asicminer.com/
1849876;1536713291;asciilifeform;lol loox like 2014-style 'mining bond' sad sacks
1849877;1536713313;asciilifeform;mod6: got it
1849878;1536713371;mircea_popescu;incidentally, since we were discussing http://trilema.com/2018/surprised-by-joy-the-shape-of-my-early-life-adnotated/#footnote_163_80959 : ALL of these "early modern financial vehicles" are the same thing -- smoke and mirrors for a "government of England" to pay 30 pennies to the pound and keep the capital.
1849879;1536713374;asciilifeform;!Q later tell BingoBoingo at your earliest convenience, plox to gpggram current postage addr, i can order these with own hands
1849880;1536713374;lobbesbot;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1849881;1536713407;mircea_popescu; Gigavps launched bonds, paid 3-40 cents to the coin to date (but you can dilute that if you wish to "upgrade", of course); hashking launched "investments", paid 30 cents or less; amazingrando idem, this is the story since day one. << http://trilema.com/2013/of-mice-and-men-revisited/#selection-131.313-131.544
1849882;1536713409;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Will do
1849883;1536713410;lobbesbot;BingoBoingo: Sent just now: <asciilifeform> at your earliest convenience, plox to gpggram current postage addr, i can order these with own hands
1849884;1536713444;mod6;Ok logged into rockchip just fine.
1849885;1536713445;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'm at least a little surprised to hear that any of'em paid anyffing
1849886;1536713458;mod6;nice work guys!
1849887;1536713461;mircea_popescu;of course they did.
1849888;1536713466;asciilifeform;mod6: congrats
1849889;1536713475;mircea_popescu;how did churchill put it, "he wouldn't stoop and didn't conquer"
1849890;1536713487;asciilifeform;lol
1849891;1536714739;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Here you go http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/NhfhB/?raw=true
1849892;1536714746;asciilifeform;ty BingoBoingo
1849893;1536714780;mod6;nice, rockchip is rockin' again
1849894;1536714785;asciilifeform;neato
1849895;1536714785;mod6;love this thing
1849896;1536714952;mod6;fg is working great, A+++
1849897;1536714963;asciilifeform;diana_coman also be sure to test yours
1849898;1536714968;asciilifeform;(incl fg)
1849899;1536714971;mod6;who wants to buy some random numbers?
1849900;1536714976;mod6;shit, wrong channel
1849901;1536714980;asciilifeform;lel
1849902;1536715223;mircea_popescu;i'd buy a random number four.
1849903;1536715242;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: before i buy the pile tomorrow, see if the item can be sourced from the same join where you magicked forth the uart
1849904;1536715259;asciilifeform;could be substantially cheaper (no bakshish)
1849905;1536715268;mircea_popescu;o btw -- if anyone's excited of the prospect of trying to avoid my scraping and messaging bots, fetlife's hiring a senior ruby on rails dev.
1849906;1536715276;asciilifeform;lol!
1849907;1536715293;*;asciilifeform tries to picture 'senior' ruby dev
1849908;1536715297;mircea_popescu;whole shitpit fire could use some challenge.
1849909;1536715303;asciilifeform;'доходяга'
1849910;1536715323;asciilifeform;it's like a senior U sifter at butugychag.
1849911;1536715349;asciilifeform;'hey n00b, i already worked 3mo of the expected 3.5 life'
1849912;1536715371;asciilifeform;btw mircea_popescu how do i say доходяга in ro ?
1849913;1536715417;asciilifeform;( orig was pun. lit. 'one reaching the end of the road', but not errybody knows that it was a '30s play on 'доходим до социализма' slogan
1849914;1536715418;asciilifeform;)
1849915;1536715432;mircea_popescu;i can't think of anything, actually.
1849916;1536715443;asciilifeform;i guess not so much gulag in ro
1849917;1536715448;mircea_popescu;there's fine literary reference available, say "batore, sarace", but all this is cult.
1849918;1536715453;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Will see what I can find
1849919;1536715460;mircea_popescu;(orig story about old mine nag, very touching)
1849920;1536715466;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i dun expect that you'll find
1849921;1536715470;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: fefeleaga ?
1849922;1536715478;asciilifeform;poor bator!
1849923;1536715515;asciilifeform;i think that may have been the 1st full length ro lit asciilifeform was able to eat
1849924;1536715581;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: is -eaga equiv to the ru equiv. suffix ? ( i.e. '--poorbastard' . e.g. бродяга ~= 'poor wandering bastard' )
1849925;1536715597;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/fefeleaga/#selection-127.19-127.34 << orig.
1849926;1536715621;asciilifeform;yea recognized
1849927;1536715629;mircea_popescu;anyway, it preserves the important parts ; little is quite as dreary in human experience as the early modern mine.
1849928;1536715668;asciilifeform;dunno how much moar cheerful is current mine
1849929;1536715678;asciilifeform;but certainly fewer folx know about it.
1849930;1536715696;mircea_popescu;right.
1849931;1536715722;mircea_popescu;anyway, ro even lacks equiv of en "dead man walking", as such.
1849932;1536715797;mircea_popescu;and no, -eaga is not the sufix there.
1849933;1536715816;asciilifeform;falsecognate eh
1849934;1536715828;mircea_popescu;"fefeleaga" has no obvious ro cognate, looks like a hu retroversion of some kind. but the exact path escapes me.
1849935;1536715844;asciilifeform;( sometimes seems like odin created ro so as to make a set of falsecognates for ru folx to trip on )
1849936;1536715864;asciilifeform;!#s nauka
1849937;1536715864;a111;1 result for "nauka", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=nauka
1849938;1536715879;asciilifeform;hm
1849939;1536715889;asciilifeform;!#s truda
1849940;1536715890;a111;1 result for "truda", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=truda
1849941;1536715895;asciilifeform;could've sworn we had this one
1849942;1536715934;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform we had a buncha these lol. narod also.
1849943;1536715940;asciilifeform;aha!
1849944;1536715940;mircea_popescu;i always believed it's deliberate on ro part.
1849945;1536715982;asciilifeform;specif from colonial period ?
1849946;1536716024;*;asciilifeform can picture it
1849947;1536716108;*;asciilifeform will bbl: meat.
1849948;1536716169;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in lulz, https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.hx_i80dRR7gTN_IgO7Db0AHaEK%26pid%3D15.1&f=1
1849949;1536724660;mircea_popescu;and in "muckracking" (ie, ideologically & politically directed pantsuit libel) : http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/8095/pg8095.html a pile of (eagerly swallowed) 1830s fabrications.
1849950;1536724806;mircea_popescu;that there's little difference, of either form or substance, and massive overlap of drive and interest uniting "the protocols of zion"-like stuff with "der sturmer"-like stuff with upton moore / michael sinclair -like stuff, with the WHOLE rest of protestant literature joint and several is, i suppose, the one thing pantsuit would least hear.
1849951;1536724836;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, it's very much the case.
1849952;1536746314;diana_coman;asciilifeform, BingoBoingo content is confirmed ok, thank you; currently collecting data from fg for tests - this part will take a while
1849953;1536746314;lobbesbot;diana_coman: Sent 10 hours and 5 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> plox to log into your unit and put it through any necessary tests
1849954;1536756752;asciilifeform;diana_coman: fwiw fg is not affected by resets; but i won't presume ever to tell anybody not to test theirs ( personally i only 'is it still there?' on machine boot, but thats just me )
1849955;1536757043;diana_coman;asciilifeform, well yes, but this was more than a reset at any rate so I'd rather re-test anyway
1849956;1536757407;asciilifeform;diana_coman: test anyffing you can think of.
1849957;1536760021;mircea_popescu;speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-12#1849789 something like "sudo tcpdump -vv -x -X -s65535 -i eth0 'port 443' > hurr.txt" followed perhaps by a tail -f hurr.txt will prove enlightening enough.
1849958;1536760021;a111;Logged on 2018-09-12 00:15 mircea_popescu: it's likle... redundant triangulation, the bs they got.
1849959;1536760160;mircea_popescu;among all the 104.16.78.166 (cloudflare), *.deploy.static.akamaitechnologies.com, *compute-1.amazonaws.com, *bc.googleusercontent.com etc etc, it should be quite evident why usg's been pushing "https everywhere".
1849960;1536761917;asciilifeform;btw mircea_popescu reminds me , trinque : here's an idea, let's banish the 'root certs' and any systemwide sslism from cuntoo. if user demands it , let him install locally.
1849961;1536761956;mircea_popescu;im for it.
1849962;1536761971;asciilifeform;recently i was going through by hand in list of what's in my rk gentoo, and holyfuq, 'root cert of greek gov' etc. disgraceful.
1849963;1536762021;asciilifeform;a patched curl that satisfies sslistic remote end, by whatever hook and crook, might be useful (for archiving etc) also.
1849964;1536762042;asciilifeform;but let's dispense with the pretense that 'sekoor'
1849965;1536762640;BingoBoingo;I dun see why the republic ought to acknowledge any root certs without registering with deedbot.
1849966;1536762641;asciilifeform;a major function of sslism is to hinder ~user~ from examining ~own~ packets. this must end.
1849967;1536762676;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: sslism cannot be terraformed and rebuilt for any constructive use, imho. it must die.
1849968;1536762723;asciilifeform;( the lib itself is a hairball , not unlike winblowz, i pointed this out even before 'heartbleed' etc., in e.g. http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1299 )
1849969;1536762739;asciilifeform;it isn't worth salvage.
1849970;1536762948;asciilifeform;i can see an argument for keeping a cut-down version (perhaps trb's) around on ~some~ boxen , simply for curl-for-fetching-heathen-www, but that's about it.
1849971;1536763002;asciilifeform;ideally such a thing would live on a dedicated box on lan, working as proxy (heathen-facing on the fetching end, plain http on the operator's)
1849972;1536763152;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-05#1793409 << past thread on subj.
1849973;1536763152;a111;Logged on 2018-04-05 22:40 asciilifeform: come to think of it, a little proxy box ( make out of ~anything, even pogo ) would handily do the job. think 'chinese firewall https stripper' for home lan.
1849974;1536763171;mircea_popescu;curl can -k just fine. all my curls -k
1849975;1536763210;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: rright but the curl bin oughta statically contain whatever's required. nomoar /etc/..../greekgov.cert plox.
1849976;1536763247;mircea_popescu;sure.
1849977;1536763255;mircea_popescu;doesn't it callout to openssl anytway ?
1849978;1536763259;asciilifeform;and i'd prefer that the next heartbleed ends up fetching rubbish from ram of dedicated toilet, rather than errywhere.
1849979;1536763286;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it does, and current openssl does the /etc/.../systemwideusg.rubbish thing.
1849980;1536763293;asciilifeform;sorta like glibc does with dns.
1849981;1536763338;mircea_popescu;in other fucking lulz : curl -c will TRUNCATE the cookie file ; curl -b will NOT SAVE NEW COOKIES. as a result of this idiocy, if the server doesn't rebroadcast all cookies, you're fucked. what the fuck jesus, who truncates the cookie jar5
1849982;1536763407;*;asciilifeform never yet had occasion to curl-with-cookies
1849983;1536763644;mircea_popescu;turns out that what it wants you to do is curl -b file.txt -c file.txt (to read and write to it).
1849984;1536763663;mircea_popescu;seems redundant and counter-intuitive, but mayhaps i don't understand the wisdoms.
1849985;1536764845;mircea_popescu;in other news, smoked trout with blue cheese on homemade bread, best sammich ++ will have again.
1849986;1536766077;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-12#1849949 << what was the story here ? 'ohnoez, nun rape' item ?
1849987;1536766077;a111;Logged on 2018-09-12 03:57 mircea_popescu: and in "muckracking" (ie, ideologically & politically directed pantsuit libel) : http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/8095/pg8095.html a pile of (eagerly swallowed) 1830s fabrications.
1849988;1536766464;asciilifeform;diana_coman, mod6 : plz say when ok to zero the retired drives ( dun have to be immediate, but it takes a day or so and would like to get'em mailed to my vivisection table )
1849989;1536766566;asciilifeform;i am rather curious where precisely the contacts melted, and so cleanly as to render the thing 100% functioning but usb2-only
1849990;1536766597;asciilifeform;note that 4 of the 6 installed drives were found thusly 'castrated'
1849991;1536766751;asciilifeform;for ref >> https://archive.is/alX6k << usb3 connector anatomy
1849992;1536766773;mircea_popescu;nonprotestants are bad mkay.
1849993;1536766796;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: erry schism ever worx ~same, neh
1849994;1536766798;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform also, i'll give you odds the damned things ain't melted.
1849995;1536766819;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 100% possib, could be firmware 'planned obsolescence' booby.
1849996;1536766826;asciilifeform;hence i'd like to take'em to the saw.
1849997;1536766846;mircea_popescu;what sense does that make, not like rk is high traffic. as compared to say a photocam
1849998;1536766922;asciilifeform;that stick gets pretty warm even on 0 load
1849999;1536766942;asciilifeform;or was speaking of fw boobytrap
1850000;1536766965;mircea_popescu;eg, the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-19#1802801 item : i have it set on multishoot, thing dumps 700mb to its disk every time i take it out. fully cycled that card 50+ times by now
1850001;1536766965;a111;Logged on 2018-04-19 01:58 mircea_popescu: in unrelated news : i can't recommend the dsc-rx100 quite warmly enough. it's a splendid sony compact with zeiss lenses that's easily the best camera i ever saw.
1850002;1536766967;asciilifeform;i dunno, what sense does the crapple battery thing make. they rope chumpers into buyin' new ones, one way or other
1850003;1536766994;mircea_popescu;did the ssds even get run through 3x or something ?
1850004;1536767017;asciilifeform;i'd bet that not
1850005;1536767042;asciilifeform;i won't know if they actually used up their sparesectors until i zero'em tho
1850006;1536767079;asciilifeform;( chances are -- not, as the boxen booted and ran without any eggog when they were emplaced on usb2 )
1850007;1536767163;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo cleaned a couple and found what looked like dissolved contact grime. which suggested the hypothesis.
1850008;1536767207;mircea_popescu;me too.
1850009;1536767222;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: where, in the rx100 ?
1850010;1536767268;asciilifeform;( the grime suggests sad things re the supposed 'gold' plating , incidentally )
1850011;1536767395;asciilifeform;re sd card -- mircea_popescu may find it interesting that asciilifeform's initial (week before flight) rk test bed used a premium 'camera' 128G sd to boot ~and~ run from. but found that it is intolerably slow, the things have pretty sad randomaccess performance
1850012;1536767418;mircea_popescu;ok, but it's basically the same item, just arranged to emulate hdd
1850013;1536767436;asciilifeform;not quite same, some flashes optimized for sequential burst
1850014;1536767439;mircea_popescu;cameras generally write sequentially
1850015;1536767444;asciilifeform;right
1850016;1536767449;asciilifeform;whereas linux box, not
1850017;1536767482;mircea_popescu;it still seems improbable "fw boobytrap" is set so narrow, you barely get any use of the thing, on the basis of -- consumer market, much more use-y.
1850018;1536767500;asciilifeform;the diff was esp dramatic in classical mech hdd -- where you get 200M/s seq writes but 50-60 random, if yer lucky
1850019;1536767580;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i suspect that ssd makers dun particularly want folx using cheap stix in place of golden toilet 'adult' ssd.
1850020;1536767602;asciilifeform;'market segmentation'
1850021;1536767656;asciilifeform;recall how seagate shipped (mech) hdd that in konsoomer model differed in 0 physical ways from the 'server' one, but 'mysteriously' misbehaved in raid
1850022;1536767803;BingoBoingo;In other local drama: https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/la-oposicion-defiende-a-manini-rios-la-sancion-es-un-intento-de-humillacion--2018911125639
1850023;1536769281;asciilifeform;in other idjicies, 'Designed to run on minimal hardware, Elive is very much a passion project of its leader, Samuel F Baggen. Based on Debian, the first version took a bow in 2005. The second stable version made an appearance in 2010 and it has been a long eight years for the third stable version to become available. ... Elive has an impressively low bar to entry, with hardware requirements for the distribution coming in at 256 MB RA
1850024;1536769281;asciilifeform;M and a 500 MHz CPU, meaning that some very elderly silicon is theoretically going to be able to enjoy the highly polished Enlightenment desktop'
1850025;1536769288;BingoBoingo;The ;tldr is the "Poder ejecutivo" decided to throw the "Comandante en Jefe" in jail for 30 days
1850026;1536769301;asciilifeform;who the fuck thinks '256M / 500MHz' is 'minimal hardware'
1850027;1536769341;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> who the fuck thinks '256M / 500MHz' is 'minimal hardware' << People who never played with total RAM measured in kiblebytes
1850028;1536769368;asciilifeform;fughet even the '80s, i had freebsd 4.7 quite satisfactorily on 'toshiba libretto' with 64M / 166Mhz.
1850029;1536769398;asciilifeform;( and when tried to re-create this in '14, found that it is impossible, the packages are nowhere, unsurprisingly )
1850030;1536769673;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i'm entertained by the 'steal the having-been-stolen-from' of current 'minimal linux' frauds
1850031;1536769742;asciilifeform;granted 64M won't get you very far if you're eating up http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-12#1849805 . but at the very least how about kernel that doesn't eat half of those 64M just for own ??? 'needs'.
1850032;1536769742;a111;Logged on 2018-09-12 00:21 mircea_popescu: for all the derpage about "attack sites using your computer to mine shitcoins" in the usg.fakenews media, google's been using well over half of everyone's cpu an' ram for the past i dunno, decade ?
1850033;1536769923;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Such is fraudlyfe
1850034;1536769986;asciilifeform;for instance, i might like to bake a box with ice40 as 'mips cpu' and http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-23#1702696 for main memory. and then for ~2k usd you can have... 16MB . and what to run on that.
1850035;1536769986;a111;Logged on 2017-08-23 23:25 asciilifeform: in other non-noose, 10ns ecc sram is ~15 usd / megabit today.
1850036;1536770160;asciilifeform;observe that box with 1990s level of immunity to 'cachebleeds', 'rowhammers', etc. still costs 1990s price...
1850037;1536770188;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-23#1702698 << lol divide this figure by 8
1850038;1536770188;a111;Logged on 2017-08-23 23:27 asciilifeform: grr megabyte
1850039;1536770192;asciilifeform;but still pretty penny.
1850040;1536770208;asciilifeform;250bux / 16MB.
1850041;1536770263;*;asciilifeform was scratching head, 'this figure aint right, it was about 1/10th when i paid...'
1850042;1536770775;asciilifeform;( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-24#1702815 << old thread re subj )
1850043;1536770775;a111;Logged on 2017-08-24 14:41 asciilifeform: ( why to do this ? just as in other cases of 'i can't believe it's not X!', dram is not actually random-access -- all currently sold drams only achieve their rated speed in 'burst mode'; and from that it follows that they are only ever read to fill a cache line; and from this, trivial timing leak etc. and the joys of 'rowhammer', bonus. )
1850044;1536771151;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/09/imf-bullying-marshall-islands-over-exploration-options-for-independence-from-usd/ << Qntra - IMF Bullying Marshall Islands Over Exploration Options For Independence From USD
1850045;1536771311;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: ^ unsurprising. per tradition, whoever begins to show symptoms of 'cured of usd' , 'suddenly' ( a la libya etc ) is 'found to have terrorists' and gets 'democratized'
1850046;1536771780;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Sure, I'm lolling a lot more at the local Pantsuits digging themselves a hole
1850047;1536772522;BingoBoingo;Imma have to blog it
1850048;1536781971;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo uruguay has AN ARMY !?
1850049;1536781975;mircea_popescu;whatever the fuck for.
1850050;1536782098;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-12#1850021 << now this i do.
1850051;1536782098;a111;Logged on 2018-09-12 15:54 asciilifeform: recall how seagate shipped (mech) hdd that in konsoomer model differed in 0 physical ways from the 'server' one, but 'mysteriously' misbehaved in raid
1850052;1536782101;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Nowadays to get those UN Peacekeeping bucks. Before that to fight commie scum.
1850053;1536782119;mircea_popescu;oh i see. then why the fuck are they poor, i don't fucking get it.
1850054;1536782177;BingoBoingo;Well, the commie scum won.
1850055;1536782225;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-12#1850026 << rather's the q, who the fuck thinks anyone gives a shit about "highly polished". weren't here for the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-15#1834802 discussion or something ?
1850056;1536782225;a111;Logged on 2018-09-12 16:21 asciilifeform: who the fuck thinks '256M / 500MHz' is 'minimal hardware'
1850057;1536782225;a111;Logged on 2018-07-15 16:26 asciilifeform: i can't picture anybody shedding a tear for gtk/kde/etc
1850058;1536782300;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo so a negligible switzerland caught in between brazil and argentina has an army, notwithstanding that in case of war it'd last all of half a week, on the idea that it's an amusement park for the "wanna matter" pantsuitedly retardeed preciouis cuntlets in new york. who, of course, long ago became unsolvent.
1850059;1536782334;mircea_popescu;seems to me the story is all about how http://trilema.com/2015/heres-what-they-dont-tell-you-when-they-bring-you-those-papers-to-sign/#selection-115.156-115.326
1850060;1536782347;mircea_popescu;ie, "new york is bankrupt, find better customers or change the product line"
1850061;1536782350;deedbot;http://bingology.net/2018/09/12/uruguayo-political-snapshot-for-future-reference/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog - Uruguayo Political Snapshot For Future Reference
1850062;1536782492;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-12#1850055 << the orig link derpage mentioned gui, but sadly even without any graphics current-day kernels are sad on small iron.
1850063;1536782492;a111;Logged on 2018-09-12 19:57 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-12#1850026 << rather's the q, who the fuck thinks anyone gives a shit about "highly polished". weren't here for the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-15#1834802 discussion or something ?
1850064;1536782517;mircea_popescu;they had no fucking idea about all of that. this niggled made a clock.
1850065;1536782521;mircea_popescu;nigglet*
1850066;1536782535;asciilifeform;aha
1850067;1536782617;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: didjaknow, they also have a navy. ( consists of, iirc, 3 old tubs )
1850068;1536782644;BingoBoingo;Well, the Navy does Coast Guard work. Boat rescues and such
1850069;1536782659;BingoBoingo;The army's just sort of a vestigal organ
1850070;1536782669;mircea_popescu;now THAT could've been a market, but the argentines have 0 money.
1850071;1536782685;mircea_popescu;otherwise yes, fucktarded monkeys insisting to go at sea, great rescue pickings.
1850072;1536782687;asciilifeform;there was even signs of an 'air force' , but the only plane i saw was a mig8 on blocks
1850073;1536782745;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: As mentioned in blog post, Air Force is airport security
1850074;1536782789;asciilifeform;aaah yes, the 'these are in padded crate, they must be expensive and taxable' folx
1850075;1536782826;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Nah, those are just line jockeys
1850076;1536782973;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: lol vivir en mierde (tm)
1850077;1536782998;BingoBoingo;The line jockey's job half hearedly finding things for the desk jockeys to do.
1850078;1536783473;BingoBoingo;Then there's the police who are a sort of security guard that stand with rifles deterring crime or they attend parades dressed in riot gear.
1850079;1536783518;BingoBoingo;The police are not to be confused with the science police who show up to places the police weren't and make a big show of doing something.
1850080;1536783634;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, bash implementation of functions excludes prototypes.
1850081;1536783634;mircea_popescu;"In other programming languages it is common to have arguments passed to the function listed inside the brackets (). In Bash they are there only for decoration and you never put anything inside them."
1850082;1536783634;mircea_popescu;i doubt many people fully understand the comedy goldmine that sits and waits in terminal.
1850083;1536783640;BingoBoingo;In the case of casinos and cambios the science police are usually preceeded by the Special Forces Police who show up in the time between the robbers leaving and the science police standing around
1850084;1536783691;mircea_popescu;oh, and of course $1 $2 AND $? are magic words.
1850085;1536784340;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: pretty sure errybody who ever touched it, knows
1850086;1536784357;asciilifeform;hence http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-05#1793267, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-21#1843516 , elsewhere.
1850087;1536784357;a111;Logged on 2018-04-05 19:11 asciilifeform: imho the long-term answer is '3rd way' , i.e. all the crud i wrote in bash, python, etc over the years really oughta be in the hypothetical little-lisp-in-ada from old thread.
1850088;1536784357;a111;Logged on 2018-08-21 18:28 asciilifeform: all i particularly care for in re scripting is to obtain a replacement for perl/python/bash where the interpreter is simple (i.e. readable, fits-in-head, auditable, correct)
1850089;1536787889;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i'm kinda trying to figure out what exactly i must have / can't stand for the Holy Script of Terminal
1850090;1536788064;asciilifeform;would be great to have a spec
1850091;1536788198;mircea_popescu;seems a ways off yet. but stuff like http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-08#1848765 is central.
1850092;1536788198;a111;Logged on 2018-09-08 17:43 mircea_popescu: in today's wonderment, why the FUCK is it i can say sed 's%x%y%g' or sed 's^p^q^g' but can NOT say awk '%a%,%b%' ?!
1850093;1536788218;mircea_popescu;i suspect that the federated calling model of the current bash is actually its strength ; and not necessarily competed by lisp-ada.
1850094;1536788233;mircea_popescu;going back to that whole "pipe is all of bash" discussion.
1850095;1536788325;mircea_popescu;but i'm not even sure what the difference is, tbh. "say mp... what's | got over Y?" i can\t answer that. and yet perl sucks and bash doesn't, in SPITE of braindamage like above.
1850096;1536789220;mircea_popescu;unrelatedly asciilifeform mod6 : i'm thinking of getting a rockchip to run a coldspare trilema server, ideally some sort of optimistic replication. is this something you'd wanna set up for me ?
1850097;1536789685;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: definitely, once we have the new disks ( i dun expect you'll want the sad samsung )
1850098;1536789741;mircea_popescu;this isn't a critical application yet. experimenta, meaning -- if you want to use this to test 'em or w/e i don't mind.
1850099;1536789763;asciilifeform;some serious load test would be neat
1850100;1536789866;*;asciilifeform brb,meat
1850101;1536791427;mircea_popescu;seems like an eminent use for rk plants, make a bunch of blog servlets. considering writes are rare and priviledged, perfect application.
1850102;1536794038;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: verily.
1850103;1536794061;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-12#1850094 << pipe is not going anywhere
1850104;1536794061;a111;Logged on 2018-09-12 21:37 mircea_popescu: going back to that whole "pipe is all of bash" discussion.
1850105;1536798428;mod6;!!withdraw 0.73892662 14GZnTRpRZWZNxJ9vHFJeGMrTGS4uCVN8v
1850106;1536798434;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/RlI9h/?raw=true
1850107;1536798891;mod6;!!v 04DA37A4866F347D1FC74AAF9924420CA9CA55267C7FFC2A3DB3E9C9C3F069AD
1850108;1536798896;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/eQcLy/?raw=true
1850109;1536802033;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-12#1849988 << nuke at will, Admiral.
1850110;1536802033;a111;Logged on 2018-09-12 15:34 asciilifeform: diana_coman, mod6 : plz say when ok to zero the retired drives ( dun have to be immediate, but it takes a day or so and would like to get'em mailed to my vivisection table )
1850111;1536802153;mod6;mircea_popescu: Sounds great!
1850112;1536802294;mod6;TMSR~ : Update on the Pizarro report for August.  I have completed the Liabilities table after some discussion with ben_vulpes, and it is currently in a final-draft form.  Upon approval of this draft, we will post it to the pizarroisp.net site.
1850113;1536802329;mod6;Thank you for your patience.
1850114;1536802672;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, http://trilema.com/2016/mr-right/ is pretty transparently the remake of http://trilema.com/2013/true-romance-tarantino-cut/
1850115;1536802690;mircea_popescu;man has the "viewing public" decayed intellectually in the intervening coupla decades.
1850116;1536802701;mircea_popescu;the us went from being populated by a buncha 19yos to being populated by a buncha 9yos.
1850117;1536802726;mod6;I'm interested to see if his manson family movie is going to be a steaming pile of dung, or not.
1850118;1536802800;mod6;"Once Upon a Time In Hollywood"; I think the smart money is on the latter.
1850119;1536802808;mod6;*ahem*
1850120;1536802810;mod6;former
1850121;1536802983;mod6;we'll see I guess 'eh
1850122;1536803710;mod6;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/qSPwN/?raw=true << draft of the manifest.txt for TRB.  mircea_popescu asciilifeform ben_vulpes trinque et. al. plz to review and let me know if any thing needs changing.
1850123;1536803746;mod6;(the first line has a place holder in there for the block height when I get to actually making another excise_hash_truncation vpatch)
1850124;1536811036;ben_vulpes;why that particular block height for all the other entries, mod6 ?
1850125;1536819180;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-12#1849988 -> go ahead
1850126;1536819180;a111;Logged on 2018-09-12 15:34 asciilifeform: diana_coman, mod6 : plz say when ok to zero the retired drives ( dun have to be immediate, but it takes a day or so and would like to get'em mailed to my vivisection table )
1850127;1536836813;mircea_popescu;http://archive.is/5PxAY#selection-329.0-337.12 (31 downloads, 17 Apr 2016) vs 42 downloads today (meanwhile gutenberg managed to fuck the archiving, hence http://archive.is/AjBWd ).
1850128;1536836901;mircea_popescu;this means that out of the "millions" of "true faifs" ustards and the "many" fans of c. s. lewis, exactly http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-12#1849749 ie 0.0% actually read the ur-example of this whole conscience-biographic genre.
1850129;1536836901;a111;Logged on 2018-09-12 00:08 mircea_popescu: and in other "the web has failed, utterly" lulz : trilema's "Links from an external page (other web sites except search engines)" managed for the first time in history an epic 0.0% this month.
1850130;1536836940;mircea_popescu;because who the fuck needs tradition when private interpretation of self-identified experience is justasgood, amirite. and besides, reading is hard. not to mention a special snowflake runs the risk of discovering some unflattering things, reading.
1850131;1536837044;mircea_popescu;so there sits newman, unread. meanwhile "awareness" is all rose an' teh "kiriarchy" is well fought and whatnot the fuck else. tulpas!
1850132;1536837270;mircea_popescu;i suppose discussing why he omitted the enim in "Adhuc enim modicum aliquantulum, qui venturus est, veniet, et non tardabit." is not useful in this context.
1850133;1536837369;mircea_popescu;anyway, "have thus a little patience, for he on the road is coming, and won't delay."
1850134;1536838095;deedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2018/09/13/atunci-ca-si-acum-ca-ntotdeauna/ << Ossasepia - Atunci ca si acum ca-ntotdeauna
1850135;1536838100;diana_coman;honestly by now I think it's 0% *did* anything, whatever it is; talking yes, doing no as per old reference ^
1850136;1536838129;mircea_popescu;if talkin's like breathin' they'll do that and if not they'll just breathe.
1850137;1536838147;mircea_popescu;aaahahaha
1850138;1536838232;mircea_popescu;http://ossasepia.com/2018/09/13/atunci-ca-si-acum-ca-ntotdeauna/ << 1944 newspaper clipping, announcing one egg costing 80lei (a howeve rmany million% increase over pre war years -- romania had a nice famine just like everyone else in europe post ww2). the byline however, is "this because there's too much clucking about and too little work being done"
1850139;1536838756;mircea_popescu;diana_coman welcome back to online for your blog btw!
1850140;1536838783;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, thanks!
1850141;1536839095;mircea_popescu;diana_coman amusingly, the latest "stabilization" or we was 60 years later huh. how much were eggs cca 2004, before the 1:10`000 conversion ? 5k or so, 10k for easter ?
1850142;1536839245;diana_coman;I'd say more like 3k but I'm not all that sure on it
1850143;1536839257;mircea_popescu;80 smokes nervously in corner.
1850144;1536839360;diana_coman;eggs were also one of the things I almost never needed to buy in Ro at that time
1850145;1536839588;mircea_popescu;in any case, 80 is not even a hundred, what thousands we speak of.
1850146;1536839613;mircea_popescu;2064, 1mn lei to the egg!
1850147;1536839771;diana_coman;perhaps even earlier; from what I understand that's the desired direction anyway, "everyone a millionaire", no?
1850148;1536840098;mircea_popescu;what consumer has come to expect, consumer will come to get!
1850149;1536840124;mircea_popescu;people of 2064 watching "who wants to be a millionaire", this antique show where people go to be insulted for being so fucking poor.
1850150;1536847637;mod6;ben_vulpes: All of the previously created vpatches are coming into the manifest at the same time.  This simply denotes that it was all created at one time.
1850151;1536847673;mod6;Well, s/all created/placed into the manifest/
1850152;1536848783;asciilifeform;!Q later tell BingoBoingo plz lemme know result of search for http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-12#1849871 locally ( i expect -- none ) and i'ma order'em
1850153;1536848783;a111;Logged on 2018-09-12 00:47 a111: Logged on 2018-09-11 20:00 asciilifeform: currently i am looking at replacement https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-BAR-Plus-128GB-MUF-128BE4/dp/B07BPG9YX9 , which is a good ~4cm iron pig
1850154;1536848783;lobbesbot;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1850155;1536848797;asciilifeform;diana_coman, mod6 : ty. will zero the olds.
1850156;1536848955;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-13#1850134 << was this eggs per se -- or currency meltdown ( ... or both? ) ?
1850157;1536848955;a111;Logged on 2018-09-13 11:28 deedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2018/09/13/atunci-ca-si-acum-ca-ntotdeauna/ << Ossasepia - Atunci ca si acum ca-ntotdeauna
1850158;1536849067;asciilifeform;!Q later tell BingoBoingo plz also say whether you were able to source the 5v blower. if not -- i'ma order one of'em also.
1850159;1536849067;lobbesbot;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1850160;1536849515;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in heathen 'intellectual property'(tm) lulz >> https://archive.is/ROUt9
1850161;1536851186;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The samsung sticks have not been found. The only little heatsinks I found were asking an incredibly extortionate price. 5v blower has yet to be found. Seeing a lot of 12v's But I haven't yet completed the walk to every local store.
1850162;1536851186;lobbesbot;BingoBoingo: Sent 40 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> plz lemme know result of search for http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-12#1849871 locally ( i expect -- none ) and i'ma order'em
1850163;1536851187;lobbesbot;BingoBoingo: Sent 35 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> plz also say whether you were able to source the 5v blower. if not -- i'ma order one of'em also.
1850164;1536851338;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> people of 2064 watching "who wants to be a millionaire", this antique show where people go to be insulted for being so fucking poor. << It'll happen before then. In 1980's and 1990's movies the plot driving stakes are normally in the thousands of dollars.
1850165;1536851430;BingoBoingo;And then there were the ancient gameshows watched keeping grandpa company where the elusive stretch prize was 64,000 and cool cars were the attainable prizes hit before that.
1850166;1536853208;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: '$64k question', famous. ( also remembered as the 1st and afaik last 'omfg it's rigged!' scandal, back when such a thing could possibly surprise anybody )
1850167;1536853282;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: have you looked in same catalog where you got the uart ? ( for either )
1850168;1536853353;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-13#1850164 << there is 1 other variant, where 'plot stakes numbering in thousands' come ~back~, in the form of 'thousand btc'
1850169;1536853353;a111;Logged on 2018-09-13 15:08 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> people of 2064 watching "who wants to be a millionaire", this antique show where people go to be insulted for being so fucking poor. << It'll happen before then. In 1980's and 1990's movies the plot driving stakes are normally in the thousands of dollars.
1850170;1536853373;asciilifeform;sorta like in ru nobody gives half a shit about 'millionaire' unless he is specifically 'dollar millionaire'
1850171;1536853421;asciilifeform;( if you can afford a toyota, you are a 'ruble millionaire' even nao )
1850172;1536853719;asciilifeform;meanwhile in today's mircea_popescu-oldies lotto, http://trilema.com/2015/lets-address-some-of-the-more-common-pseudo-arguments-raised-by-the-very-stupid-people-that-like-the-gavin-scamcoin-proposal
1850173;1536853739;*;asciilifeform wonders, whether the gavin derp is still on the stage, or fully retired nao. i dun follow heathendom closely enuff to know
1850174;1536853956;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The particular vendor does not have fans. Other listing are "via Ebay" (i.e. unassisted import process) or feature 5v in the headline and 12v in the photo or specs
1850175;1536854001;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: aite, unless there's more shops you want to look in ( or can get hold of a 12v brick and solder ) i'ma include blower in the order
1850176;1536854020;asciilifeform;tho i was hoping to get one blowing asap, to prolong the life of the installed sadsamsungs
1850177;1536854047;asciilifeform;considering that we've exhausted the spares
1850178;1536854121;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i'm moar than a little bit surprised that you found no usb-powered fans, they are pestilentially common even in souvenir shops over here
1850179;1536854129;asciilifeform;and would entirely suffice for the purpose
1850180;1536854162;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Thank you for reminding me those eist
1850181;1536854184;asciilifeform;they not only exist, but will work immediately, with 0 solder
1850182;1536854189;asciilifeform;supposing you can locate one
1850183;1536854325;BingoBoingo;There's a bunch of these, browsing through now https://listado.mercadolibre.com.uy/ventilador-usb#D[A:ventilador-usb]
1850184;1536854416;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: see if you can find one similar to https://articulo.mercadolibre.com.uy/MLU-455183149-arctic-breeze-ventilador-de-escritorio-usb-con-cuello-f-_JM but that aint an 'import, takes 9 days'
1850185;1536854487;asciilifeform;even sumthing like https://articulo.mercadolibre.com.uy/MLU-452816395-mini-usb-portatil-flexible-mini-refrigeracion-ventilador-enf-_JM would suffice
1850186;1536854533;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: let's take this thread to #p, the #t log readers do not need to sift through the orcolade
1850187;1536856519;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it was both -- constantly during the war foodstuffs were eaten, but less and less produced, thus dwindling their supply and increasing their rarity ; while pantsuit "currency" substitutes on paper were not eaten (nor accepted), but more and more produced, thus increasing their supply and destroying their only form of value.
1850188;1536856986;diana_coman;ahahha mircea_popescu that new header pic
1850189;1536857017;mircea_popescu;CHTULHUHUHUHuuuu!
1850190;1536857036;diana_coman;if one's sushi...
1850191;1536857917;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-13#1850166 << was huger and more recent "is wrestling tv show or sportive competition" debate. resolved, amusingly enough, through a doctrinal "diune essence", very much exactly like the "god is also son and passerine bird, same person" except "it's both staged and not staged"
1850192;1536857917;a111;Logged on 2018-09-13 15:40 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: '$64k question', famous. ( also remembered as the 1st and afaik last 'omfg it's rigged!' scandal, back when such a thing could possibly surprise anybody )
1850193;1536857978;mircea_popescu;as a result, a few people believe in the trinity, and a whole lot of truckers believe in the duality.
1850194;1536859386;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what is sovok(tm)(r) is not this very duality.
1850195;1536859406;mircea_popescu;justabout.
1850196;1536859426;asciilifeform;as per http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-14#503958 .
1850197;1536859426;a111;Logged on 2014-02-14 17:28 mircea_popescu: little girl in last row starts crying her pioneer shirt off
1850198;1536859455;mircea_popescu;"cultural marxism", right ? vince mcmahon, right up there, and EXACTLY AS MUCH as all the other zigglers, marxes, billy mays, engleses and whatnots of ye olde stupiditarian tradition.
1850199;1536859498;asciilifeform;who's mcmahon
1850200;1536859665;mircea_popescu;the pantsuited hilarity of ~this~ particular sect of dumbos.
1850201;1536859677;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> who's mcmahon << Trump's friend the Wildlife Federation guy
1850202;1536859684;mircea_popescu;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vince_McMahon
1850203;1536859742;asciilifeform;a
1850204;1536859746;*;asciilifeform not aficionado
1850205;1536860344;mircea_popescu;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent_J._McMahon << in fairness, father prolly more the relevant figure. different quimby.
1850206;1536860955;mircea_popescu;"It is very difficult duly to delineate a bore in a narrative, for the very reason that he is a bore. A tale must aim at condensation, but a bore acts in solution. It is only on the long-run that he is ascertained. Then, indeed, he is felt; he is oppressive; like the sirocco, which the native detects at once, while a foreigner is often at fault. Tenet occiditque. Did you hear him make but one speech, perhaps you would say he
1850207;1536860955;mircea_popescu;was a pleasant, well-informed man; but when he never comes to an end, or has one and the same prose every time you meet him, or keeps you standing till you are fit to sink, or holds you fast when you wish to keep an engagement, or hinders you listening to important conversation,-- then there is no mistake, the truth bursts on you, apparent diræ facies, you are in the clutches of a bore. You may yield, or you may flee; you ca
1850208;1536860955;mircea_popescu;nnot conquer. Hence it is clear that a bore cannot be represented in a story, or the story would be the bore as much as he. The reader, then, must believe this upright Mr. Bateman to be what otherwise he might not discover, and thank us for our consideration in not proving as well as asserting it."
1850209;1536860968;mircea_popescu;https://www.gutenberg.org/files/24574/24574-h/24574-h.htm << newman very much worth the read, as always.
1850210;1536861001;mircea_popescu;the principal problem of literature, of course, is that it's always better to show than to tell.
1850211;1536861028;mircea_popescu;always ? well no, not ALWAYS. there's one exception, says tongue in cheek the man one can rely to give a fair account and sufficient treatment to exceptions.
1850212;1536861104;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: reminds me of erry (?) kiddo's eventual q, 'why in these fairy tales nobody ever has to take a shit'
1850213;1536861112;mircea_popescu;(and the man one can't rely on to that is very much the very substance of the moron ; hence http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-05#480525 )
1850214;1536861112;a111;Logged on 2014-02-05 01:02 mircea_popescu: pankkake it's fascinating how they completely gloss over the part where one group (the scammers behind it) stole the resources of the rest of the people involved (every idiot that bought some, mined some, or pumped it up until two days ago)
1850215;1536861143;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that can be well depicted (though it'd be a slightly more pornographic fairytale than commonly seen)
1850216;1536861160;asciilifeform;sure, can
1850217;1536861167;mircea_popescu;well, the problem here is CANT.
1850218;1536861170;asciilifeform;aha
1850219;1536861177;*;asciilifeform can see it.
1850220;1536861201;asciilifeform;boredom is the 1 thing nobody wants, dun even have the equiv of the scatofetishist there.
1850221;1536861258;mircea_popescu;anyway, the http://trilema.com/2018/surprised-by-joy-the-shape-of-my-early-life-adnotated/ < -- > http://trilema.com/2017/zuleika-dobson-or-an-proper-love-story/ < -- > Loss and Gain (linked above) relationship should be i believe readily obvious
1850222;1536861283;mircea_popescu;they're all oxford tales of found faith, yes.
1850223;1536861298;asciilifeform;i'll add however that the strugatskis (imho) pulled it off -- in 'snail on a hill', they had critters who think and speak in circles, and it was drawn lightly enuff so that it did not entirely permeate the yarn with snore
1850224;1536861299;mircea_popescu;that i'm the only one to have ever written a decent FEMALE version... well...
1850225;1536861338;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it draws the good writer like flame draws moths, this. what all is finnigan's wake than the attempt ? and the very aptly named "hunting for lost time"
1850226;1536861369;mircea_popescu;finne* even
1850227;1536861502;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but anyway, in the very success is the seed of failure : in that they weren't all that boring they weren't, after all, true bores. a true bore can drive women to murder, just as well as the http://trilema.com/2016/the-pedoepiphany/ can.
1850228;1536861529;asciilifeform;reader wants 'true bore' like he wants actual baccilae in the pages of story about plague.
1850229;1536861536;mircea_popescu;quite.
1850230;1536861596;mircea_popescu;i should have thought of that! think alfie, a future world wherein all thart's left is nostalgia for the past. a past which is no longer accessible, except in the limited sense, that victorian novels about prim sad ladies have pages steeped in koch solution ; whereas italian fiction of the plague will gladly give you it.
1850231;1536861616;asciilifeform;'smellovision'
1850232;1536861621;mircea_popescu;so the reader can relive THIS much of the past, in an age when every other thing's as scarce as chairs in turn of the century china.
1850233;1536861640;mircea_popescu;"no fountains and no english lawns -- at least i cough just like my heroine..."
1850234;1536861699;asciilifeform;!#s stand on zanzibar
1850235;1536861700;a111;14 results for "stand on zanzibar", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=stand%20on%20zanzibar
1850236;1536861730;asciilifeform;^ where 'burning at the stake', guillotine, etc. were made available as ~paid~ service, for folx 'hungry for authentic'
1850237;1536861743;mircea_popescu;aha!
1850238;1536861758;mircea_popescu;the point here'd be not the death, but the rekindling of a loss.
1850239;1536861771;asciilifeform;'can die of boredom like errybody else, or hey why not an auto de fe'
1850240;1536861838;mircea_popescu;actually, the us has a direct implementation of the idea -- can take a free 2 week vacation in florida on premises of people who aim to sell you real estate.
1850241;1536861847;mircea_popescu;or at least, could. not sure if it even still exists.
1850242;1536861878;*;asciilifeform not encountered this
1850243;1536861887;asciilifeform;maybe only pitched to highrollers
1850244;1536861975;mircea_popescu;original meaning of "timeshare".
1850245;1536861977;mircea_popescu;1980s item.
1850246;1536862035;asciilifeform;aa see asciilifeform was in happy orc childhood in 80s, so did not see this.
1850247;1536862360;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://www.episodelist.com/episodes/married-with-children/season-6/my-dinner-with-anthrax/25825 << extended network points out item was even reflected in popular culture.
1850248;1536862490;*;asciilifeform unsurprised
1850249;1536863769;BingoBoingo;The time share thing still exists.
1850250;1536863789;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: yes but with freebies ?
1850251;1536863864;BingoBoingo;Extent of the freebies less certain. Before I left there were still "free dinner for listening" ads in the local ad rag
1850252;1536874254;mod6;tested my fg on my rk, looks good
1850253;1536875483;asciilifeform;yay
1850254;1536875671;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/09/jizz-mopper-josh-garza-to-mop-prison-jizz-for-21-months-after-pleading-out-to-wire-fraud-over-paycoin-drama/ << Qntra - Jizz Mopper Josh Garza To Mop Prison Jizz For 21 Months After Pleading Out To Wire Fraud Over "Paycoin" Drama
1850255;1536875672;BingoBoingo;^ An early Qntra/ProtoQntra case closes
1850256;1536876020;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i guess 1 usg.rubber only holds so-much jizz, handler finally slipped on a new one and threw garza into the bin
1850257;1536876083;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: wouldja happen to have a link to where the sentence ?
1850258;1536876085;BingoBoingo;Well he blew up spectacularly in early 2015
1850259;1536876280;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: iirc d00d targeted the very bottom seg of the bell curve from day 1
1850260;1536876297;asciilifeform;so 'blow up' is not fully descriptive imho
1850261;1536876393;BingoBoingo;True, I'll put "blog a GAW jizz mopping" retrospective in the hopper as medium priority
1850262;1536876463;asciilifeform;gotta wonder, what precisely caps the lifespam of a garza-style op. my guess is that it was never +ev at any point, and d00d simply ran out of his usg-allotted 'capital' to pay the shills etc
1850263;1536876479;asciilifeform;*lifespan, but let's leave the typo in for effect!1
1850264;1536876540;asciilifeform;y'know, sorta like how the gavin-foundation ran through.
1850265;1536876989;asciilifeform;iirc while pirate et al ran pyramids, garza ran the btc equiv of those oldtime scamolas where you mix magic snake oil into yer petrol tank
1850266;1536877645;asciilifeform;btw BingoBoingo recall when the butterfly labs thing likewise came to an end, similarly
1850267;1536877690;asciilifeform;it's rather like how when they shot lavrentiy beria -- pile the crimes onto 1 d00d, then flush him, and it's as if the enablers 'never happened'
1850268;1536877792;*;asciilifeform wonders how many of the still-operating garzas are aware of their ultimate purpose in the scheme
1850269;1536881448;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-13#1850262 << wasn't this the one with the passible hotwife ?
1850270;1536881448;a111;Logged on 2018-09-13 22:07 asciilifeform: gotta wonder, what precisely caps the lifespam of a garza-style op. my guess is that it was never +ev at any point, and d00d simply ran out of his usg-allotted 'capital' to pay the shills etc
1850271;1536882365;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: He had the passably hot wife
1850272;1536882380;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I think the GAW thing intentionally aimed still lower
1850273;1536883276;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i dungetit, what's lower than 'it's a miner^H^H^Hcloud^H^Hpetroladditive^H^Hdentists-don't-want-you-to-know' ?
1850274;1536883408;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: BFL wasn't cloud yet
1850275;1536883429;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: speaking of garza's 'hashlets' thing
1850276;1536883441;BingoBoingo;GAW was always cloud where customer is promised they never touch any object
1850277;1536883463;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: always? cuz i definitely recall 'any day nao you will see'em in lolmart shelves'
1850278;1536883473;asciilifeform;started out as quasi-physical totem of some kind
1850279;1536883484;BingoBoingo;Walmart was their altcoin
1850280;1536883609;BingoBoingo;These details in their marketing print blurred together for their customers too
1850281;1536883679;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i for one can't think of who exactly lies in bellcurve below folx who will sign up for 'pay now, see wtf it is later'
1850282;1536883715;BingoBoingo;Largely soulless automatons
1850283;1536883888;BingoBoingo;There are now fans lined up pulling air over the Rockchips
1850284;1536883904;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: didja remember to take photo ?
1850285;1536883940;BingoBoingo;I did not take photo, I can run back and grab one
1850286;1536883976;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: dun have to be right now, can go in the morning. and when you do, also plz retrieve the 2 retired usb stix from dulap, they've been zero'd
1850287;1536883991;asciilifeform;( interestingly -- wrote all blox without even 1 eggog )
1850288;1536884014;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: but if you're feeling energetic, why not go nao.
1850289;1536884098;*;asciilifeform bbl,meat
1850290;1536888591;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: http://aaronrogier.net/fanfront.jpg and http://aaronrogier.net/fanback.jpg Please gpggram a destination for the sticks
1850291;1536896384;mod6;nice fans BingoBoingo!
1850292;1536901669;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-12#1849960 << agreed. it may need to come after the near-term and still elusive goal of cleaving the essential from the cruft in the portage tree. there is a shocking amount of state in portage strewn about the system, in /etc, in /usr/portage, in /var/db/pkg
1850293;1536901669;a111;Logged on 2018-09-12 14:18 asciilifeform: btw mircea_popescu reminds me , trinque : here's an idea, let's banish the 'root certs' and any systemwide sslism from cuntoo. if user demands it , let him install locally.
1850294;1536901764;trinque;and this is just the broad overview. in /usr/portage/profile there's what, tens of layers of dependency nesting. in some cases the children override the parent; in others they appear to append
1850295;1536901797;trinque;work carries on, just wanted to give word from the mineshaft
1850296;1536901891;*;trinque has scripts in progress to flatten the profile tree into a single profile, where it can be inspected and therefore judged.
1850297;1536902033;trinque;and it's plainly obvious by now that the kind of autistic mind that produces these tangled trees does so to attempt to exhaust the judging eye
1850298;1536902111;trinque;"if my room is packed with cum socks and mcdonalds bags, dad will be too ashamed to come find me and kick my ass"
1850299;1536905162;trinque;aaand just built a working nano from the ebuild in /cuntoo/portage, having no other ebuild repositories in system, and no barfs from emerge.
1850300;1536905210;trinque;/cuntoo/portage weighs 26M right now, compared to /usr/portage weighing 704M
1850301;1536905294;trinque;not only was there /etc/portage/repos.conf to define repositories, but also /usr/share/portage/config/repos.conf, and apparently creating one in /etc does not knock out the defaults in /usr
1850302;1536905425;trinque;rationale behind bothering with the repository system is to let the legacy gentoo ebuild repository coexist with the vtronic repository, in exactly the same way as "overlays" do now with the gentoo repo
1850303;1536905529;trinque;can then pluck ebuilds from their tree as needed, produce a vpatch, and include in the cuntoo repo
1850304;1536905782;*;trinque zaps glsa and news from metadata dir, shaves to 13M
1850305;1536906088;diana_coman;trinque, that sounds great!
1850306;1536906138;diana_coman;BingoBoingo, fans of rockchip, eh? looks good
1850307;1536906487;trinque;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/qJ69u/?raw=true << current output of emerge -v @world . few things yet jacked in the portage profile, which sets/unsets things like that userland_GNU use flag.
1850308;1536906530;trinque;I wager this is because the item in profile that sets IUSE ought to have overridden instead of appended.
1850309;1536906555;trinque;diana_coman: thanks! coming along, squealing in protest though it does.
1850310;1536906609;trinque;but the deps are all lined up there; that's the whole system. when it rebuilds itself, done.
1850311;1536906690;diana_coman;last time I tried to figure out exactly what is what and where re portage I ran out of time to disentangle the mess, so I'll be very happy indeed to not have to go back to that
1850312;1536906823;trinque;I'll be thrilled when I watch emerge build someone's vmerge, and then remove itself as last act.
1850313;1536906847;trinque;but this hill will do for tonight.
1850314;1536906850;*;trinque to bed
1850315;1536923209;deedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2018/09/14/smgcomms-implementation-chapter-1/ << Ossasepia - SMG.Comms Implementation - Chapter 1
1850316;1536927824;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850292 << because nobody fucking considered the matter before.
1850317;1536927824;a111;Logged on 2018-09-14 05:07 trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-12#1849960 << agreed. it may need to come after the near-term and still elusive goal of cleaving the essential from the cruft in the portage tree. there is a shocking amount of state in portage strewn about the system, in /etc, in /usr/portage, in /var/db/pkg
1850318;1536927853;mircea_popescu;the problem with socialists is and remains http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-25#1818526 ; they'll always find something "that doesn't exist" to dump into, and in the case of computer systems it generally is state.
1850319;1536927853;a111;Logged on 2018-05-25 04:04 mircea_popescu: yes. democracy fails to account externalities as a matter of course. see also http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-14#1783773 thread
1850320;1536927985;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850298 << heh. i bet it "works", too.
1850321;1536927985;a111;Logged on 2018-09-14 05:15 trinque: "if my room is packed with cum socks and mcdonalds bags, dad will be too ashamed to come find me and kick my ass"
1850322;1536928113;mircea_popescu;sleep tight!
1850323;1536928303;mircea_popescu;diana_coman entirely possible you're the first one to ever put udp through gnat.sockets.
1850324;1536928442;diana_coman;not impossible, huh
1850325;1536928461;diana_coman;tcp good, udp bad!!
1850326;1536928481;mircea_popescu;diana_coman http://ossasepia.com/2018/09/14/smgcomms-implementation-chapter-1/#selection-111.394-111.513 << this'll have to change though, there's no way it can work out like that
1850327;1536928659;diana_coman;as I was writing that I was thinking that an unchecked.conversion for the whole thing might work - provided arrays are indeed stored as one would expect in a continuous space
1850328;1536928665;mircea_popescu;anyway, reading through this, i suspect ada threading may turn out to be a pleasure.
1850329;1536928690;diana_coman;honestly it *seems* to me that's the case, yes; but I'm still trying to wrap my head around it
1850330;1536928732;diana_coman;re unchecked.conversion - there is still the issue of flipping the bytes though; this needs more thinking
1850331;1536928794;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1850332;1536928825;mircea_popescu;anywya, great reads this morning! the republic prevails!
1850333;1536930522;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850315 << pretty neat diana_coman
1850334;1536930522;a111;Logged on 2018-09-14 11:06 deedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2018/09/14/smgcomms-implementation-chapter-1/ << Ossasepia - SMG.Comms Implementation - Chapter 1
1850335;1536930570;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850323 << i have a proggy, but it dun seem like i ever published the item, so diana_coman will have to count as 1st
1850336;1536930570;a111;Logged on 2018-09-14 12:31 mircea_popescu: diana_coman entirely possible you're the first one to ever put udp through gnat.sockets.
1850337;1536930581;diana_coman;cheers asciilifeform !
1850338;1536930593;diana_coman;and ... HA! why not publish!!
1850339;1536930610;asciilifeform;it was lame
1850340;1536930654;asciilifeform;( and i didn't get a chance to finish the whole thing, was right when i picked up ffa )
1850341;1536930658;diana_coman;also: I'm open to any corrections to that thing there, including any slamming of the sort "this is horrible, wtf, do it THIS way!!"
1850342;1536930670;asciilifeform;i've a half-written 'g' (if anyone recalls what that was) , used adasockets
1850343;1536930705;diana_coman;not gnat.sockets?
1850344;1536930709;asciilifeform;err
1850345;1536930711;asciilifeform;gnatsockets
1850346;1536930722;asciilifeform;i also had a variant that used c imports
1850347;1536930728;diana_coman;I was just thinking I might have missed something crucial there
1850348;1536930732;asciilifeform;diana_coman: did you ever see the 'nqb' item asciilifeform posted in '17 ? had various imho good examples of operations on streams
1850349;1536930764;diana_coman;I recall a link to examples in ada; fwiw I think they are even gone from that link at least; was that "nqb"?
1850350;1536930851;asciilifeform;i'ma have to repost, 1s
1850351;1536930878;asciilifeform;oh nm, it's still alive, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742497
1850352;1536930878;a111;Logged on 2017-11-23 16:28 asciilifeform: whaack: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/horse.tar.gz
1850353;1536931061;diana_coman;got it; will re-read (I do think I had a quick look at it at that time but it didn't stick)
1850354;1536931078;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i dun see anything obviously ugly in your example, btw
1850355;1536931127;diana_coman;thanks for looking!
1850356;1536931146;asciilifeform;admittedly asciilifeform just woke up and only gave it 1 look thus far
1850357;1536931160;asciilifeform;and without tea
1850358;1536931258;*;diana_coman awaits for the "brb, tea"
1850359;1536931342;asciilifeform;https://www.adacore.com/gems/gem-140-bridging-the-endianness-gap << possibly useful item re endianism
1850360;1536931500;diana_coman;I've found that and gave it a first pass but I didn't quite see how to use it for my problem; it's on the list of refs at any rate, so I'll get to re-read it
1850361;1536931735;asciilifeform;diana_coman: currently i am lacking a bigendian iron (or a gnat for such) so never got a chance to truly and properly test endianism conversion (as for ffa, it is endian-insensitive, but this is simple where there is no networking)
1850362;1536931773;diana_coman;asciilifeform, aha; re-reading that thing - I guess the Scalar_Storage_Order looks promising, I'll dig a bit deeper into it
1850363;1536931911;asciilifeform;diana_coman: re streams, you may find the 'buf_streams' item in horse.tar.gz interesting
1850364;1536931937;diana_coman;will look
1850365;1536931963;asciilifeform;( what it was, was simply a btc block and tx reader, i fed an entire noad's 'dumpblock' chain into it, plus a buncha randomly bitflipped mutilations, behaved correctly )
1850366;1536932086;asciilifeform;i then wrote the mmap thing, with aim to bake the 'reads and stores blox , then O(1) tx retrieval' demo, but never got a chance to glue the two together
1850367;1536932110;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666647 << subj
1850368;1536932110;a111;Logged on 2017-06-06 19:40 asciilifeform: mod6, phf , et al : http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/ada/horsecocks.tar.gz << i dun recall posting this before, so here it will live, for nao : unofficial release of mmaptron
1850369;1536932136;asciilifeform;this is not directly relevant to diana_coman's application tho
1850370;1536932292;asciilifeform;hmm, loox like i ~did~ glue'em, but the glued model definitely not ready for primetime.
1850371;1536932323;*;asciilifeform has reached the mircea_popescu level of amnesia where 'hmm did i make this and it is on hdd somewhere or did i only want to'
1850372;1536932960;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-10#1624240 << orig thread, re subj, for longterm ref.
1850373;1536932960;a111;Logged on 2017-03-10 16:57 asciilifeform: btw i will also put down in the log, one very simple possible algorithm for a 'txidx-fs' :
1850374;1536932983;asciilifeform;^ with entire algo.
1850375;1536933315;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850300 << this is pretty neat.
1850376;1536933315;a111;Logged on 2018-09-14 06:06 trinque: /cuntoo/portage weighs 26M right now, compared to /usr/portage weighing 704M
1850377;1536933479;*;asciilifeform bbl,tea
1850378;1536936757;phf;diana_coman: hey, the smg.comms genesis sig link is not resolving
1850379;1536936757;lobbesbot;phf: Sent 6 days, 10 hours, and 44 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> lemme know if you want the magic pill recipe + patched flashrom util for c101pa .
1850380;1536936970;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-08#1848612 << was at sea, but i was also keeping up with the logs (much better in flight entertainment!), i'll take the pill, but not sure i'll have the immediate use for it beyond ogling. i'm having a hard time recreating even the max-heathen environment that will simply reproduce the google stack as is
1850381;1536936970;a111;Logged on 2018-09-08 04:08 asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf lemme know if you want the magic pill recipe + patched flashrom util for c101pa .
1850382;1536939379;asciilifeform;phf: this was on the off chance that you had a working replacement rom image. ( if you don't yet -- thing won't do you much good atm )
1850383;1536939464;asciilifeform;phf: fwiw i do not yet have a working heathen toolchain ( other than what shipped on the box ) either
1850384;1536939489;asciilifeform;the only pc-side tool in the setup is (patched) flashrom
1850385;1536939635;phf;diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=smg-comms and http://btcbase.org/patches/smg_comms_genesis (i found the sig in /vpatches/)
1850386;1536939636;lobbesbot;phf: Sent 33 minutes ago: <lobbes_phone> next time you're in the btcbase/patches boiler room, plox to add http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/09/logbot_command_router_python-genesis/ to 'bot' section?
1850387;1536939925;phf;!!key lobbes
1850388;1536939926;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/3320BCA7825525AD077203C331F36D29A4D93652.asc
1850389;1536940195;phf;lobbes: added
1850390;1536940397;asciilifeform;!Q later tell BingoBoingo http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/UJFQW/?raw=true
1850391;1536940397;lobbesbot;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1850392;1536940670;asciilifeform;phf: saw anyffing interesting on your voyage ?
1850393;1536940763;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850290 << loox good, for nao
1850394;1536940763;a111;Logged on 2018-09-14 01:29 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: http://aaronrogier.net/fanfront.jpg and http://aaronrogier.net/fanback.jpg Please gpggram a destination for the sticks
1850395;1536940825;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850328 << it is pretty neat, e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-06#1446883
1850396;1536940825;a111;Logged on 2018-09-14 12:37 mircea_popescu: anyway, reading through this, i suspect ada threading may turn out to be a pleasure.
1850397;1536940825;a111;Logged on 2016-04-06 15:49 asciilifeform: ada tasks, afaik, is the only sane implementation of parallelism where you ~never~ specify explicit thread
1850398;1536940892;asciilifeform;diana_coman: and incidentally ( as you prolly already discovered ) you can keep the restrictive flags, on the subset of the coad that doesn't use tasking. ( and this applies in general )
1850399;1536940913;asciilifeform;ditto streams
1850400;1536940948;asciilifeform;the only lang feature that gets in the way of this partitioning is 'generics', but iirc diana_coman did not use these anywhere
1850401;1536940965;asciilifeform;( i had'em in the 1st drafts of ffa, then abolished , they interfere with proper compartmentalization )
1850402;1536941222;asciilifeform;diana_coman: incidentally, i was initially quite unsure re the wisdom of using the streams. but they are part of the standard and do appear to work as described. however for your application it isn't even clear to me that you need'em , could simply call out to unix's socket routine and get octet array of fixed length (e.g. 512byte) to work on.
1850403;1536941334;asciilifeform;tcp is very difficult to sanely work with without a stream abstraction, but udp -- trivial.
1850404;1536941527;asciilifeform;so in this model you'd have 2 routines, 1 which takes a port, listens on it, and comes back 'someday' with a 512byte buffer fulla packet and the originator ip ; and another that eats a 512byte buffer and a dest ip, and returns immediately.
1850405;1536941551;asciilifeform;*portnum
1850406;1536941621;asciilifeform;then again if you write 'own gnatsockets' you would have to do what i did for 'horsecocks' mmap system and actually handle all possible unix eggogs (granted there are not many of these for udp)
1850407;1536941697;asciilifeform;( the appeal of 'own gnatsockets' is similar to that of what i did with mmap : adacore's implementation is quite obese on acct of handling winblowz and other broken os )
1850408;1536941740;asciilifeform;but nao that i think about it, iirc mircea_popescu maintains currently a mswin eulora client, so you might be stuck with gnat's.
1850409;1536941940;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850298 << i'll add to this, that i've been to hobo encampments and found them to be... ~substantially~ cleaner and better organized than the 'open sores' atrocities. i suspect that the shitgnomatic level of horror is only found in dilapidated third world psych wards where inmates live in own shit.
1850410;1536941940;a111;Logged on 2018-09-14 05:15 trinque: "if my room is packed with cum socks and mcdonalds bags, dad will be too ashamed to come find me and kick my ass"
1850411;1536942117;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850327 >> they are, see e.g. http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch4_ffacalc#L43 example
1850412;1536942117;a111;Logged on 2018-09-14 12:37 diana_coman: as I was writing that I was thinking that an unchecked.conversion for the whole thing might work - provided arrays are indeed stored as one would expect in a continuous space
1850413;1536942164;asciilifeform;( tho naturally you won't use ada String for arbitrary octetolade. but same principle. )
1850414;1536942221;asciilifeform;( tho will add, ada Strings actually work with arbitrary garbage, given as they do not use the idiot c 'null termination' paradigm )
1850415;1536942468;asciilifeform;to round out thread, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850330 << in my orig udp attempt, i dispensed with the traditional 'gotta be in network byte order (tm)' doctrine, in favour of 'if packet doesn't pass muster, THEN flip the endianism and try again 1ce'
1850416;1536942468;a111;Logged on 2018-09-14 12:38 diana_coman: re unchecked.conversion - there is still the issue of flipping the bytes though; this needs more thinking
1850417;1536942550;asciilifeform;( afaik udp doesn't give guarantees of integrity, at least on all systems, so you're stuck with embedding checksum even if you weren't doing crypto authentications )
1850418;1536942622;asciilifeform;( imho the tradition where 'just about errybody's little endian, but we spend cpu and flip bytes erry time we send something because in 1989 somebody had a pdp' is asinine )
1850419;1536942956;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: ty
1850420;1536942956;lobbesbot;BingoBoingo: Sent 42 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/UJFQW/?raw=true
1850421;1536943070;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It is indeed, fire at will
1850422;1536943075;asciilifeform;ty BingoBoingo
1850423;1536943288;diana_coman;phf, fixed link and thank you!
1850424;1536943338;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo, mod6 , ben_vulpes : ordered ! 308.28 orcbux ( 62.18 of'em orc fee, 37.21 -- postage, the rest -- 8 drives and pack of 20 adhesive hedgehogs )
1850425;1536943353;BingoBoingo;tyvm
1850426;1536943419;asciilifeform;supposedly will arrive by end of next wk ( in practice, whoknows, iirc the last shot was 1 week of postage and 5 of orc customs )
1850427;1536943429;diana_coman;asciilifeform, I'm also still unsure *why* exactly would I need streams; I can see it perhaps on client side if one wants to implement streams on top of udp basically to add checks/re-send or whatever they want to do but that is no concern of the protocol itself
1850428;1536943449;asciilifeform;diana_coman: currently you're only stuck with streams on acct of gnatsockets peculiar design
1850429;1536943477;asciilifeform;sorta like the idjicy of gnat's builtin unix cmdline handling
1850430;1536943498;asciilifeform;it presumes that you want unbounded bags of octets
1850431;1536943568;diana_coman;hm, so basically there might be something to "only tcp on gnat.sockets" after all since they baked this assumption in the...implementation of gnat.sockets themselves??
1850432;1536943573;diana_coman;ugh
1850433;1536943605;asciilifeform;they baked this sad into file i/o also ( hence how it shows up in 'horsecocks' )
1850434;1536943633;diana_coman;supporting windows in not a requirement; whoever wants to support it is free to make their own implementation of the protocol anyways
1850435;1536943636;asciilifeform;but for certain things 'stream' is actually the correct abstraction (e.g. the variable-length tx in classical btc block)
1850436;1536943662;asciilifeform;diana_coman: then you may want to wrap unix recv() as i described ( can use my mmap example )
1850437;1536943715;diana_coman;I certainly have to consider that option too if all that gnat.sockets buys me is some bloat + streams
1850438;1536943765;asciilifeform;imho there's no particular shame in wrapping an os call that doesn't have possibility of overflows
1850439;1536943819;asciilifeform;( you let it emit precisely e.g. 512byte into a preallocated buffer that never moves ; the ip it came from, into a 32bit , and that's it )
1850440;1536943843;asciilifeform;ditto for send()
1850441;1536943878;diana_coman;sounds very, very appealing to be honest
1850442;1536943887;*;diana_coman goes to read some more
1850443;1536943894;asciilifeform;it's how i did the cmdline thing ( earlier linked )
1850444;1536943951;asciilifeform;nao, you'll prolly want to queue the incomings, but imho thats outside the scope of this thread
1850445;1536943987;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: re: cutting down on stale time at customs http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/S3auq/?raw=true
1850446;1536944033;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: got it, loox same as last time.
1850447;1536944040;BingoBoingo;Aite
1850448;1536944136;asciilifeform;diana_coman: keep in mind that udp packets can get arbitrarily reordered in flight.
1850449;1536944184;asciilifeform;and sometimes lost entirely. but you prolly knew this.
1850450;1536944370;mircea_popescu;omg it's a phf!
1850451;1536944384;asciilifeform;ohai mircea_popescu
1850452;1536944397;phf;a standin for both pdfs and phds
1850453;1536944416;mircea_popescu;lol
1850454;1536944420;asciilifeform;and , lol, pdp, pde...
1850455;1536944710;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850371 << mine is eumnesia!
1850456;1536944710;a111;Logged on 2018-09-14 13:38 asciilifeform has reached the mircea_popescu level of amnesia where 'hmm did i make this and it is on hdd somewhere or did i only want to'
1850457;1536944765;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how did erdos put it, 'first you forget to unzip after piss, then to unzip ~before~, and only ~then~ your own theorems'
1850458;1536944772;asciilifeform;*zip after
1850459;1536944774;mircea_popescu;lol
1850460;1536944940;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850418 << yes, none of that.
1850461;1536944940;a111;Logged on 2018-09-14 16:30 asciilifeform: ( imho the tradition where 'just about errybody's little endian, but we spend cpu and flip bytes erry time we send something because in 1989 somebody had a pdp' is asinine )
1850462;1536944966;mircea_popescu;iirc we even had a discussion re standardizing a byte order ; though from the fact that i don't recall the results i take it i got shown broken cats.
1850463;1536945010;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the beauty is that there's no actual need to standardize one.
1850464;1536945019;mircea_popescu;i suppose.
1850465;1536945071;asciilifeform;( given as you never operate on anyffing that came down the wire without passing checksum )
1850466;1536945611;asciilifeform;and btw for so long as one either a) refrains from bytewise addressing, period or b) addresses bytes of a word via b0 := W and 0xFF, b1 := shr(W, 8) and 0xFF, b2 := shr(W, 16) and 0xFF , ... , etc -- you dun create endianism problem.
1850467;1536945745;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch11_tuning_and_api/tree/ffa/libffa/fz_io.adb#L59 << example of endian-insensitive routine.
1850468;1536945919;asciilifeform;observe that 'address bytes only via word slides' worx even if you shat on one endianism and ate on other.
1850469;1536945978;asciilifeform;( why? i'ma leave as exercise for reader ! )
1850470;1536946414;mircea_popescu;byte-only is prolly sane anyway
1850471;1536946806;asciilifeform;this being said, still gotta come up with bigendian box to test with at some point ( iirc trinque had one somewhere, but afaik no gnat for it yet )
1850472;1536946868;*;trinque has piles and piles of g4 and several g5
1850473;1536946902;trinque;don't have a gnat built for them yet
1850474;1536948576;phf;asciilifeform: i have a bigendian box and i also tested at least one call for bigendian test on it. i think it was diana_coman's keccak though
1850475;1536948594;asciilifeform;phf: which gnat didja use
1850476;1536948618;asciilifeform;( imho what we need is the canonical ave1 gnat, on bigendian )
1850477;1536948630;phf;this was pre ave1 work
1850478;1536948649;asciilifeform;aaa
1850479;1536948668;asciilifeform;but since phf has a bigendian gnat, could theoretically build ave1's
1850480;1536948686;asciilifeform;( good chance to test just how portable is the latter )
1850481;1536948721;asciilifeform;at some point i'd like to get a bigendian box of some description into pizarro , for such work
1850482;1536948723;phf;theoretically, i think it was whatever gnat came with openbsd packages, since that was easiest thing to spin up on the machine in question.
1850483;1536948741;asciilifeform;( if one can be found that fits 'in pocket' )
1850484;1536950305;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850474 -> indeed it was
1850485;1536950305;a111;Logged on 2018-09-14 18:09 phf: asciilifeform: i have a bigendian box and i also tested at least one call for bigendian test on it. i think it was diana_coman's keccak though
1850486;1536950437;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850448 -> yes, unreliable but that's not the concern at this level
1850487;1536950437;a111;Logged on 2018-09-14 16:55 asciilifeform: diana_coman: keep in mind that udp packets can get arbitrarily reordered in flight.
1850488;1536951156;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850460 -> sounds good; glad I published this stuff now rather than later!
1850489;1536951156;a111;Logged on 2018-09-14 17:09 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850418 << yes, none of that.
1850490;1536952971;asciilifeform;wb danielpbarron
1850491;1536954074;asciilifeform;diana_coman: the simplest way i thought of to finesse the reordering thing is simply to run synchronously ( i.e. at no point does sender send a new packet unless old one replied; if there's no reply, sender retries a certain # of times, and if still silence, declares the connection broken )
1850492;1536954107;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Package is in the mail
1850493;1536954114;asciilifeform;ty BingoBoingo !
1850494;1536954264;asciilifeform;diana_coman: if one receives an old (i.e. not currently expected ) packet ( e.g. straggler from a previous round ) it gets rejected in the same way as any other rubbish.
1850495;1536954411;asciilifeform;this way you also dun have to concern with 'packet congestion', a perennial plague of tcpdom
1850496;1536954469;asciilifeform;the only adjustable knob becomes , how long to wait for an expected reply before pronouncing the connection 'dead', and that's it
1850497;1536954709;asciilifeform;( a reply here, in turn, is not the idjit tcp 'ack', but a packet containing hash(currentsecretsalt + prevpacket) + cipherola-to-current-key , i.e. can only have been generated by the box on the other end, and can only be authenticated by yours
1850498;1536954712;asciilifeform; )
1850499;1536954802;asciilifeform;ideally these will not be distinguishable by any third party from any other type of packet.
1850500;1536954924;asciilifeform;( anybody lacking the secretsalt and currentkey, sees simply 512byte of rng )
1850501;1536955204;asciilifeform;the salt, goes in the cipherola payload, so gets switched out in erry round. ( given as you have a trng, this is not an exorbitant entropy expense )
1850502;1536955227;asciilifeform;anyway there is prolly >1 sane way to do this.
1850503;1536959109;diana_coman;asciilifeform, it might help to read the protocol perhaps?
1850504;1536959170;diana_coman;at any rate, from server's point of view, it doesn't care - it will answer to legitimate messages and that is that; it's more of a client concern and up to them how they handle that i.e. indeed pretty much how long they wait/when do they consider server unreachable and what they do
1850505;1536960197;asciilifeform;diana_coman: asciilifeform forgot that you already had the protocol. then you do not need any of this, indeed.
1850506;1536960236;asciilifeform;( item was copied from asciilifeform's older and not specifically related notes re 'g' , wanted to put in l0gz. )
1850507;1536960346;asciilifeform;diana_coman: found it, http://ossasepia.com/2018/04/17/rfc-euloras-communication-protocol-eucomms/ , aite
1850508;1536960408;asciilifeform;i'ma stfu at this point, as i promised to mircea_popescu not to interfere in euloric matters. will answer q strictly re gnatology, if diana_coman runs into any puzzlers.
1850509;1536960662;asciilifeform;salam Mocky
1850510;1536960731;asciilifeform;Mocky: how's your studies going ?
1850511;1536960977;Mocky;slow start, but i think i'm going to like arabic
1850512;1536961181;Mocky;i already like that there's no capitalization. i need to find a native speaker
1850513;1536961207;asciilifeform;Mocky: very difficult ( at least i found ) to grasp the phonology without a live speaker.
1850514;1536961230;BingoBoingo;Mocky: What you need is a live speaker that is also interesting to the eyes
1850515;1536961241;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu's algo, aha
1850516;1536961267;BingoBoingo;Also learned experience.
1850517;1536961284;*;asciilifeform doesn't doubt that it worx
1850518;1536961304;BingoBoingo;Brian in the head dun want to work to decode shit the boys say.
1850519;1536961346;BingoBoingo;But if the speaker's got tits, Brian in the head is willing to work a bit.
1850520;1536961532;Mocky;seems like there are a lot of dialects from gulf to african
1850521;1536961574;BingoBoingo;Brian in the head wants to end conversations with the boys quickly and efficiently: "Como estás?" "Tu madre me chupas bien"
1850522;1536961626;asciilifeform;Mocky: asciilifeform at one time worked for a d00d who spoke the palestinian dialect. he griped that on trips to e.g. riyard he was scoffed at 'like if spoke alabama english in nyc'
1850523;1536961636;asciilifeform;*riyadh
1850524;1536961738;asciilifeform;( i suspect tho, that this kind of thing is curable with time. e.g. asciilifeform was taught brit eng, not ameri-, but i doubt that anybody can tell this today )
1850525;1536961858;Mocky;census data claims that the zipcode where I live has the highest concentration of arabs in the state, which if you do the math is ~700
1850526;1536961882;Mocky;need to make some friends in the local halal markets
1850527;1536962025;BingoBoingo;You could also see if there's some camho's that want a stable appointment. iirc that's how shinohai learned spanish
1850528;1536962061;Mocky;i don't think what would have ever occurred to me BingoBoingo
1850529;1536962102;BingoBoingo;I think the dude chatted with the girl, kept appointments, and then imported her if I remember right
1850530;1536962338;BingoBoingo;Anyways, the camwhoring economics are described here http://trilema.com/2016/the-bizarro-world-of-camwhoring/
1850531;1536962654;mod6;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/vFrTE/?raw=true << oh yeah, you made horsecocks a long while ago alf
1850532;1536962795;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850511 <<< this seems a pretty safe bet.
1850533;1536962795;a111;Logged on 2018-09-14 21:36 Mocky: slow start, but i think i'm going to like arabic
1850534;1536962965;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850520 << yes but mis'r (egypt) is the tv arabic.
1850535;1536962965;a111;Logged on 2018-09-14 21:45 Mocky: seems like there are a lot of dialects from gulf to african
1850536;1536962999;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850521 << me chupa. chupas is 1st singular not 3rd singular. (plural would be chupan)
1850537;1536962999;a111;Logged on 2018-09-14 21:46 BingoBoingo: Brian in the head wants to end conversations with the boys quickly and efficiently: "Como estás?" "Tu madre me chupas bien"
1850538;1536963018;mircea_popescu;s/1/2/
1850539;1536963059;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850526 << TURKISH BAFFS!!!1
1850540;1536963059;a111;Logged on 2018-09-14 21:51 Mocky: need to make some friends in the local halal markets
1850541;1536963091;BingoBoingo; tyvm
1850542;1536963463;BingoBoingo;In local news, a rare event. A heist suspect arrested! https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/un-detenido-por-asalto-a-remesa-en-el-banco-itau-2018914184632
1850543;1536963480;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/09/russian-lawmakers-consider-regularizing-civil-servant-duels/ << Qntra - Russian Lawmakers Consider Regularizing Civil Servant Duels
1850544;1536968693;Mocky;not all that much of a hurricane here but powers been out at least 2 dozen times for about a minute each.
1850545;1536968708;Mocky;on the other side of town i know powers been out for hours
1850546;1536970487;BingoBoingo;Ah, just have to worry about the local utility grunts knocking out your power now. Keep the camp stove and baked beans on standby
1850547;1536975115;lobbes;Mocky: yeah, I'm waiting for the power grid to start faffing about over here too. So far though, ~0 effects felt from the old 'cane
1850548;1536975259;Mocky;I'm working on a laptop hooked up to a 4k tv, so every time the power cycles I end up sitting listening to the neighborhood AC units powering down until my tv comes back.
1850549;1536975706;danielpbarron;!!rate Mocky 1 Euloran bot fixer
1850550;1536975709;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/jh0QQ/?raw=true
1850551;1536975752;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850389 << thanks phf!
1850552;1536975752;a111;Logged on 2018-09-14 15:49 phf: lobbes: added
1850553;1536975845;mircea_popescu;in other local lulz, costa rica's independence day celebration postponed for cause of heavy rain.
1850554;1536975866;mircea_popescu;apparently the heavens above don't think so very much of this miami-led cvasi-"independence" they got.
1850555;1536975873;deedbot;http://blog.esthlos.com/esthlos-v-part-2-cl-keccak/ << esthlos - esthlos-v Part 2: cl-keccak
1850556;1536976110;mircea_popescu;esthlos "Though I wouldn't try the thing on files larger than a megabyte at the moment." whynot ?
1850557;1536976133;mircea_popescu;in any case, looks like he's getting 40kb/s more or less.
1850558;1536977322;mircea_popescu;irony of ironies : there exists such a place as "grand Island", nebraska.
1850559;1536978207;BingoBoingo;The Middle west is full of many of these
1850560;1536978284;mircea_popescu;gave me a chuckle.
1850561;1536978447;BingoBoingo;Yeah, but Middle Western naming Irony only tends to give chuckles when its a surprise
1850562;1536978597;mircea_popescu;hehe i see your point.
1850563;1536979019;BingoBoingo;If you already know its there the size of Metropilis, Illinois isn't going to pack much of a punch
1850564;1536995771;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850507 -> that's the first version of the protocol; current, updated version is on trilema: http://trilema.com/2018/euloras-communication-protocol-restated/
1850565;1536995771;a111;Logged on 2018-09-14 21:25 asciilifeform: diana_coman: found it, http://ossasepia.com/2018/04/17/rfc-euloras-communication-protocol-eucomms/ , aite
1850566;1537022296;esthlos;mircea_popescu: just because it will take a while. should work just fine.
1850567;1537022324;mircea_popescu;what did i miss ?
1850568;1537022361;mircea_popescu;oh, oh, the keccak. do me a favour and say http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-15#1850556 << just because it will take a while. should work just fine. else we'll drown in refwork.
1850569;1537022361;a111;Logged on 2018-09-15 01:48 mircea_popescu: esthlos "Though I wouldn't try the thing on files larger than a megabyte at the moment." whynot ?
1850570;1537022378;esthlos;sure
1850571;1537022381;mircea_popescu;and don't put dire mysterious warnings like that in your work, it turns off people for no real reason.
1850572;1537022406;esthlos;okay, thanks. I'll be more clear
1850573;1537022456;mircea_popescu;"Though I wouldn't try the thing on files larger than a megabyte at the moment." <<->> "As you can imagine, large files may give you ample time to draw a bath" or something.
1850574;1537022564;asciilifeform;this makes for 2 working keccaks nao, unless i'm forgetting somebody's
1850575;1537028239;mircea_popescu;there;s worse fates.
1850576;1537028486;asciilifeform;prolly will need asm keccaks, given how heavy thing seems to be
1850577;1537028516;*;asciilifeform has a sad half-finished one
1850578;1537028519;mircea_popescu;i suspect we'll have to unroll it, yes.
1850579;1537028539;mircea_popescu;though in fairness esthlos impl is more didactic than optimized.
1850580;1537028638;asciilifeform;right
1850581;1537032170;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/09/ok-sign-outrage-hysteria-approaches-crippling-proportions/ << Qntra - "OK" Sign Outrage Hysteria Approaches Crippling Proportions
1850582;1537033396;Mocky;^ such blatant display of power
1850583;1537033443;Mocky;but i like on that page how even the sidebar headlines have tldr;
1850584;1537033503;BingoBoingo;tyvm
1850585;1537033605;diana_coman;BingoBoingo, "The habit of producing the "OK" symbol also happens to be many Anglophones" -> ????
1850586;1537033643;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: fxd, tyvm
1850587;1537034334;deedbot;http://bimbo.club/?p=10 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 9/03/2018
1850588;1537034806;trinque;"trinque is upgrading to 486DX2 for alf" << ahahahaha
1850589;1537040867;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-15#1850588 << rofl.
1850590;1537040867;a111;Logged on 2018-09-15 18:06 trinque: "trinque is upgrading to 486DX2 for alf" << ahahahaha
1850591;1537044990;mircea_popescu;http://bingology.net/2016/01/24/the-theoretical-foundation-of-social-engineering-practice/ << ftr this isn't even half bad ; BingoBoingo consider re-writing like a 2nd edition of it ? in light of accumulating experience ?
1850592;1537045108;BingoBoingo;There's some other things to get to first, but a second edition should be doable sometime this year
1850593;1537045325;mircea_popescu;or the next ... this is the sort of thing that benefits from quiet contemplation.
1850594;1537045606;BingoBoingo;Right now I am working on a lessons learned for the next Republican pioneers, most of which based on contemplation of the now concerns the humble backpack
1850595;1537047413;mircea_popescu;nb.
1850596;1537052648;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-15#1850588 << bahahaha
1850597;1537052648;a111;Logged on 2018-09-15 18:06 trinque: "trinque is upgrading to 486DX2 for alf" << ahahahaha
1850598;1537052656;*;asciilifeform falls down 
1850599;1537058719;BingoBoingo;And in other local politics https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/el-ejercito-sancionara-al-militar-que-decidio-tocar-la-marcha-tres-arboles--2018915213151
1850600;1537058872;BingoBoingo;With another headline: "Autora de "Cómo matar a tu marido" es acusada de matar a su marido"
1850601;1537060918;mircea_popescu;lol that's better
1850602;1537062751;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/09/usg-closes-solar-observatory-over-security-issue/ << Qntra - USG Closes Solar Observatory Over "Security Issue"
1850603;1537062920;deedbot;http://bimbo.club/?p=11 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 9/04/2018
1850604;1537063270;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo "while state and local are being" whats ?
1850605;1537063599;mircea_popescu;lol, "It seems more plausible that a foreign operative or an operative working on a foreign government's behalf might have been able to install an antenna/sensor apparatus onto the top of a structure that is part of the facility and within line-of-sight of the valley below without anyone noticing. This could allow them to persistently gather electronic intelligence on whatever might be happening on, around, and over White San
1850606;1537063599;mircea_popescu;ds and at Holloman. With the capabilities of modern electronics and batteries, it's possible that such a system wouldn't even need to be hard wired. "
1850607;1537063606;mircea_popescu;check 'em out, like, figuring things out and shit!
1850608;1537063762;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: ty, fxd
1850609;1537066257;mircea_popescu;!!up nicoleci
1850610;1537066258;deedbot;nicoleci voiced for 30 minutes.
1850611;1537067223;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in about-as-interesting-as-usg lulz, https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Jeremy_Hambly
1850612;1537067255;mircea_popescu;(tl;dr : youtube wizard attempts to start hasbro consumer boycott because it rustled his hotpockets or something ; item fizzles.)
1850613;1537071433;PeterL;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-15#1850574 << I also made a keccak implementation, but it needs some tests to verify it is consistent with the standard and then I should make a gensis vpatch for it
1850614;1537071433;a111;Logged on 2018-09-15 14:42 asciilifeform: this makes for 2 working keccaks nao, unless i'm forgetting somebody's
1850615;1537071556;PeterL;and I should find a better place to keep my files, currently I have it on github
1850616;1537073363;trinque;somebody should really write a republican version control system someday
1850617;1537073375;trinque;PeterL, unfuck your head.
1850618;1537078029;mircea_popescu;"and the rest will follow" ?
1850619;1537080637;trinque;at least it'd have a chance.
1850620;1537106120;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in random lulz, "Using slang you didn't come up with isn't a substitute for having a personality. And that's the Internet in a nutshell today: a bunch of vapid morons trying to be cool by parroting phrases back and forth to each other. It's meme language, and just like people use memes as a substitute for their inability to tell a joke or make a cogent statement, people use this type of language to seem hip-adjacent
1850621;1537106121;mircea_popescu;. You're not hip, and you're hoping desperately that nobody notices."
1850622;1537106191;mircea_popescu;internet "of today" runs into internet of 1990s : maddox saying "the obvious" that "nobody wants to hear", inexplicably enough nobody gives a shit.
1850623;1537106257;mircea_popescu;ah if only it were 1998 again, how bien trouve shit like "hip-adjacent" would catch wings and fly! what a "dank meme" it'd have been, back before they had a word for it.
1850624;1537106569;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in alt coins, "Super Male Vitality is the result of ancient wisdom reinterpreted over several years in the light of modern equipment and analysis."
1850625;1537110159;deedbot;http://bimbo.club/?p=12 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log - 9/02/2018
1850626;1537112344;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850437 -> following on from this, I had a look in more detail at the code for gnat.sockets; my conclusion is that gnat.sockets has as main contribution the streams + forcing the weird dance with types; underlying gnat.sockets is the "thin layer" that essentially wraps the system's C functions for sockets
1850627;1537112344;a111;Logged on 2018-09-14 16:48 diana_coman: I certainly have to consider that option too if all that gnat.sockets buys me is some bloat + streams
1850628;1537112392;diana_coman;while initially I considered using this thin layer, on a deeper look at it, I don't like it; here is the code of it: https://www2.adacore.com/gap-static/GNAT_Book/html/rts/g-socthi__ads.htm and https://www2.adacore.com/gap-static/GNAT_Book/html/rts/g-socthi__adb.htm
1850629;1537112438;diana_coman;moreover, the thin layer is in principle internal to gnat.sockets so it's not even meant to be directly used from outside (compiler will throw a warning though nothing worse than that afaik)
1850630;1537112506;diana_coman;overall this leaves me with the fact that I'll have to make my own "thin layer" with only what I need, certainly thinner than gnat.sockets + gnat.sockets.thin
1850631;1537112524;diana_coman;for lulz from the above code:   --  Return highest numbered socket (what does this refer to???)
1850632;1537112832;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/best-in-the-world/ << Trilema - Best in the world!
1850633;1537112852;mircea_popescu;diana_coman would this be written in ada then ?
1850634;1537112921;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, it would still wrap recv and send at the very least
1850635;1537112938;mircea_popescu;more specifically : what exactly is the limit of the "c-ness" of the system calls ? can we pretend they're ada system calls until they are ?
1850636;1537113080;diana_coman;I don't know what an "ada system call" is, to answer that question; my aim is indeed to wrap them in one place so that everything else makes ada calls and doesn't care
1850637;1537113111;mircea_popescu;"According to POSIX.1-2001, the msg_controllen field of the msghdr structure should be typed as socklen_t, but glibc currently types it as size_t. " and other joys of the c world.
1850638;1537113133;mircea_popescu;half the fucxking manual on recv deals with a) spurious extra prototypes and b) data size definition soup.
1850639;1537113151;diana_coman;myeah; I did not even pretend I *like* to have to do this
1850640;1537113159;mircea_popescu;diana_coman but would the wrapper be c or ada ?
1850641;1537113174;diana_coman;how would it be c??
1850642;1537113180;diana_coman;or why, lol
1850643;1537113190;diana_coman;if it's c, there's no need for a wrapper
1850644;1537113191;mircea_popescu;why i dunno ; how however -- gnat will compile c.
1850645;1537113227;diana_coman;sure, but what's the point in wrapping a c call in more c code, I'm not sure I follow what you have in mind
1850646;1537113242;mircea_popescu;are you going to write an ada program to treat c-defined syscalls as black boxes and spit out ada acceptable output ; opr are you going to write a c program to treat c-defined syscalls as compatriots and spit out ada acceptable output ?
1850647;1537113252;mircea_popescu;i'm just checking things!
1850648;1537113277;diana_coman;first
1850649;1537113301;mircea_popescu;how are you going to handle the weird data models implied by teh nutty syscalls in an ada proggy ?
1850650;1537113319;diana_coman;as I dig into them deeper, I shall know! lol
1850651;1537113345;mircea_popescu;lol ok.
1850652;1537113358;diana_coman;if I knew all that, it'd be ...ready
1850653;1537113365;diana_coman;not like typing takes a lot of time
1850654;1537113377;mircea_popescu;alrighty.
1850655;1537114629;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in other lulz, the middle english word for "raise awareness" would be... animadverting.
1850656;1537114643;mircea_popescu;strangely enough disused, seeing how it's shorter.
1850657;1537115554;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-16#1850630 << i spend past day cleaning up mine, but not quite done yet
1850658;1537115554;a111;Logged on 2018-09-16 15:41 diana_coman: overall this leaves me with the fact that I'll have to make my own "thin layer" with only what I need, certainly thinner than gnat.sockets + gnat.sockets.thin
1850659;1537115575;asciilifeform;diana_coman and mircea_popescu can read and use if they like it, i'ma genesis
1850660;1537115579;diana_coman;asciilifeform, please do
1850661;1537115597;mircea_popescu;certainly.
1850662;1537115604;asciilifeform;it only does udp tho
1850663;1537115626;mircea_popescu;that's quite fortuitous!
1850664;1537115627;diana_coman;atm it's only udp I want to do
1850665;1537115686;asciilifeform;then diana_coman may find it useful, i'ma hurry up & genesis ( realistically tomorrow posted. )
1850666;1537115719;asciilifeform;simple enuff item, has small example harness, and eggog handling
1850667;1537115721;diana_coman;asciilifeform, tomorrow sounds good!
1850668;1537115729;mircea_popescu;honestly, FEWER "this is my fork design" would be way better than more. http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/basini-unique.jpg and all that.
1850669;1537115730;asciilifeform;ok i'ma bbl
1850670;1537134218;BingoBoingo;http://trilema.com/2018/best-in-the-world/#comment-126692 << LOL unintentional entertainment
1850671;1537135267;mircea_popescu;ima install traffic stops in the dungeon.
1850672;1537135501;BingoBoingo;You mean observatory
1850673;1537135524;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: plox to clarify, is http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-16#1850668 an arg in favour or against posting $subj
1850674;1537135524;a111;Logged on 2018-09-16 16:35 mircea_popescu: honestly, FEWER "this is my fork design" would be way better than more. http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/basini-unique.jpg and all that.
1850675;1537135611;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: a++++ ocelot
1850676;1537135642;*;asciilifeform had nfi their face were this level of... round
1850677;1537138339;mircea_popescu;i mentioned alf to him, his tongue came out
1850678;1537138362;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform all for posting $subj, this way minigame can just use it rather than make yet-another-new-one
1850679;1537138425;asciilifeform;aa ok
1850680;1537145041;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850424 << Ah, thank you!
1850681;1537145041;a111;Logged on 2018-09-14 16:42 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, mod6 , ben_vulpes : ordered ! 308.28 orcbux ( 62.18 of'em orc fee, 37.21 -- postage, the rest -- 8 drives and pack of 20 adhesive hedgehogs )
1850682;1537145156;mod6;!Qcalc 308.28/6745
1850683;1537145156;lobbesbot;mod6: 0.045704966642
1850684;1537145245;mod6;0.04570496 BTC good asciilifeform ? (I'm using the price point for sept for the calc)
1850685;1537145541;asciilifeform;mod6: worx
1850686;1537145561;asciilifeform;1s, will cough up invoice
1850687;1537145605;asciilifeform;!!invoice mod6 0.04570496 8 new-gen rk disks + 20 adhesive-backed hedgehogs + s&h
1850688;1537145610;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/81816/?raw=true
1850689;1537145633;asciilifeform;!!v FC2D6272E9AF4411FE0E8ABE50E84DA17246A8042AC4D92F4EFD5E76CE380E04
1850690;1537145637;deedbot;Invoiced mod6 0.04570496 << 8 new-gen rk disks + 20 adhesive-backed hedgehogs + s&h
1850691;1537145709;mod6;Thank you, Sir.  I appreciate the invoice.
1850692;1537146022;asciilifeform;mod6: np
1850693;1537146403;mod6;!!received-invoices
1850694;1537146408;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9cDF4/?raw=true
1850695;1537146587;mod6;!!pay-invoice asciilifeform 1
1850696;1537146592;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/RCgKB/?raw=true
1850697;1537146758;mod6;!!v A06C4D8D64F662393218FB552D1D54866648D05485A95F0D169A2F07B05E1A29
1850698;1537146761;deedbot;mod6 paid asciilifeform invoice 1
1850699;1537146765;asciilifeform;ty mod6
1850700;1537146769;mod6;yw!
1850701;1537146775;mod6;!!sent-invoices
1850702;1537146779;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/J1wVH/?raw=true
1850703;1537146782;mod6;!!ledger
1850704;1537146786;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/s405X/?raw=true
1850705;1537153368;PeterL;is there a process to get voiced in #pizarro?
1850706;1537154685;PeterL;!Q later tell bingoboingo http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/KDpD9/?raw=true
1850707;1537154685;lobbesbot;PeterL: The operation succeeded.
1850708;1537160951;deedbot;http://bimbo.club/?p=13 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 9/05/2018
1850709;1537170849;ave1;I'm also working on a thin networking layer for Ada (using direct system calls in inline assembler). I got stuck on some inline assembly details and once that was resolved I got stuck on the whole select/epoll/kevent  support and so forth. So at this point, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-16#1850668 applies.
1850710;1537170849;a111;Logged on 2018-09-16 16:35 mircea_popescu: honestly, FEWER "this is my fork design" would be way better than more. http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/basini-unique.jpg and all that.
1850711;1537171239;ave1;I'm aiming at a small library with support for UDP, TCP and UNIX sockets with direct calls to 64bit x86 and 64bit arm plus C. So far UDP + asm 64bit x86 is done.
1850712;1537171380;ave1;Also no UNIX sockets yet, I was reading the documentation and came accross how linux now supports "abstract" unix sockets which have no equivalent on the file system. Pretty big WTF all over, it's implemented by having a string start with a 0 (zero) byte.
1850713;1537171540;ave1;In other news, some lulzy drama underway in the Linux kernel camp; https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CA+55aFy+Hv9O5citAawS+mVZO+ywCKd9NQ2wxUmGsz9ZJzqgJQ@mail.gmail.com/
1850714;1537173523;diana_coman;ave1 hey, that would be very useful! but honestly, why not say it earlier?
1850715;1537173618;diana_coman;gah, null terminator and zero starter and what next
1850716;1537173669;ave1;well, I started this about 4 weeks or so
1850717;1537173840;ave1;Yes, I though that bsd sockets where some sort of standard, but it seems it has warths all over.
1850718;1537173903;ave1;For example BSD expects a 1byte length field in the socket address structures (which is then not used as the interface already has a separate length argument)
1850719;1537175168;diana_coman;arguably it helps if others know what you are working on - perhaps one can help at some point or at least not duplicate the effort, that's all
1850720;1537175214;diana_coman;ave1> I'm aiming at a small library with support for UDP, TCP and UNIX sockets with direct calls to 64bit x86 and 64bit arm plus C. So far UDP + asm 64bit x86 is done. -> mind publishing somewhere this part then?
1850721;1537175616;ave1;No problem and will do...
1850722;1537176483;diana_coman;looking forward to it
1850723;1537177556;diana_coman;lobbes, esthlos, hanbot, ave1 - do you have something against using categories on your blogs? I find well-defined categories to be really helpful in finding stuff but on your blogs everything is in the "Uncategorized" category
1850724;1537178413;ave1;aha, all my older posts are still uncategorized, will do!
1850725;1537178955;ave1;now for the well-defined part, this I will have to work on...
1850726;1537179610;diana_coman;ave1, the basic thing is that it's a proper hierarchy (so each post in one (sub)category and not in 10)
1850727;1537184553;ave1;diana_coman, code is here; http://ave1.org/code/suckit/, everything is pretty much in flux still (even then name could change, currently ip addresses are in network order but ports are in native order)
1850728;1537184658;ave1;this builds with the musl gnat, the binary from adacore and the latests zfp.
1850729;1537184837;deedbot;http://ave1.org/2018/gnat-zero-foot-print-take-5-assert-and-aggregates/ << ave1 - GNAT Zero Foot Print - Take 5 - Assert and Aggregates
1850730;1537186142;diana_coman;thank you ave1 ! I'll take it
1850731;1537186160;diana_coman;I'll read and get back to you
1850732;1537187332;diana_coman;ave1, if I get the structure right there, you have an empty root package Suckit and then children packages net and types; there seems to be also Suckit.Syscall that I see listed as dep in suckit.types but I can't find the source for?
1850733;1537187396;ave1;Yes, that's right, the source for syscalls is in the platform directory (so in platform/linux-x86_64-asm
1850734;1537187441;ave1;the gprbuild project file includes different source directories based on the platform you'll be building
1850735;1537187466;diana_coman;ah, got it
1850736;1537187530;ave1;note that all asm code was first in suckit-ip.* but I moved it to the syscall, the suckit-ip stuff will move to linux
1850737;1537187657;ave1;this move caused a major headache as suddenly the syscalls seemed to not fill buffers any longer (out of every 6 invocations of getsockname about 4 would fail with empy output).
1850738;1537187688;ave1;turned out with inline asm and pointers the memory needed to be clobbered
1850739;1537187757;ave1;clobber is an inline assembly term, it's a list of all registers that may change during the execution of the inline assembly
1850740;1537187789;ave1;but you can also put some magic names in there like "memory"
1850741;1537187820;diana_coman;ugh, sounds like a mess
1850742;1537187906;ave1;Every time I go deep into these things all kinds of weirdness surfaces.
1850743;1537187982;ave1;probably closely related to: http://ossasepia.com/2018/08/04/a-collection-of-pearls-as-well-as-ever-sadder-epitaphs/
1850744;1537188085;diana_coman;sounds quite likely; and tbh that http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-17#1850713 makes for weird/sad/hysterical reading depending on pov
1850745;1537188085;a111;Logged on 2018-09-17 08:05 ave1: In other news, some lulzy drama underway in the Linux kernel camp; https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CA+55aFy+Hv9O5citAawS+mVZO+ywCKd9NQ2wxUmGsz9ZJzqgJQ@mail.gmail.com/
1850746;1537188099;diana_coman;I can just about see next version of linux-with-feelings
1850747;1537188134;diana_coman;now I need to read at least https://docs.adacore.com/gnat_ugn-docs/html/gnat_ugn/gnat_ugn/inline_assembler.html
1850748;1537188375;diana_coman;at any rate ave1 this doesn't look bad at all in that it is an ada layer rather than just wrapping the c calls
1850749;1537189701;diana_coman;ave1, hm, the recv_from doesn't return the length of the received string?
1850750;1537189833;diana_coman;does it just block until it reads to fill the buffer or how does that work?
1850751;1537189885;diana_coman;ahhhh, it returns that value, nm
1850752;1537190319;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-17#1850723 << ty for the feedback. I added the "Categories widget" to the sidebar so should make it easier to browse (http://blog.lobbesblog.com)
1850753;1537190319;a111;Logged on 2018-09-17 09:45 diana_coman: lobbes, esthlos, hanbot, ave1 - do you have something against using categories on your blogs? I find well-defined categories to be really helpful in finding stuff but on your blogs everything is in the "Uncategorized" category
1850754;1537190372;diana_coman;yay, thanks lobbes
1850755;1537190525;mircea_popescu;ave1 once he publishes later today you can just read/patch/collaborate.
1850756;1537190684;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-17#1850711 << wait, if you have it also... then publish also ?
1850757;1537190684;a111;Logged on 2018-09-17 08:00 ave1: I'm aiming at a small library with support for UDP, TCP and UNIX sockets with direct calls to 64bit x86 and 64bit arm plus C. So far UDP + asm 64bit x86 is done.
1850758;1537190821;*;mircea_popescu opens "Subject: Linux 4.19-rc4 released, an apology, and a maintainership note", runs into "the code of conduct addition" , loses interest.
1850759;1537190932;mircea_popescu;!!rate torvalds -10 "The above is basically a long-winded way to get to the somewhat painful personal admission that hey, I need to change some of my behavior"
1850760;1537190933;deedbot;torvalds is not registered in WoT.
1850761;1537190936;mircea_popescu;fuck you, and rot in hell.
1850762;1537190983;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, read on, he published it meanwhile and I am looking at it right now
1850763;1537190986;mircea_popescu;schmuck. let's studiously overlook the man hut, so we can pretend "overwhelmed by cunt hut" latger on.
1850764;1537190998;mircea_popescu;diana_coman i am not reading on. i'm done with torvalds.
1850765;1537191010;diana_coman;ah, I did not mean torvalds!!! I meant ave1's code
1850766;1537191019;mircea_popescu;oh lol.
1850767;1537191026;mircea_popescu;dubious antecedents!!11
1850768;1537191060;diana_coman;re torvalds http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-17#1850744
1850769;1537191060;a111;Logged on 2018-09-17 12:41 diana_coman: sounds quite likely; and tbh that http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-17#1850713 makes for weird/sad/hysterical reading depending on pov
1850770;1537191118;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-17#1850719 << she has a point you know ; i don't just mean ave1 though it's a fine example here. you folks have an excellent semaphore system, which works well and has been historically proven to work well (not to mention have all the interest in "feelings" of a guillotine). it is very stupid NOT to use it, to eschew use it, to miss out on using it.
1850771;1537191118;a111;Logged on 2018-09-17 09:06 diana_coman: arguably it helps if others know what you are working on - perhaps one can help at some point or at least not duplicate the effort, that's all
1850772;1537191180;mircea_popescu;i don't mean "it is against group interest". i mean it from a very personal perspective, not using this is like not using fridges, or CAT scanners. YOU miss out. your own life is shittier than it need had been, on your deathbed you'll look at less of a life than it might've been. there's just no point to run the race eyes closed, none whatever.
1850773;1537191262;mircea_popescu;say "i will x" rather than "for the past n weeks i had been x" whenever at all feasible. for one thing, it'll get you more people, cuz ima redirect those trying to same x. for another thing, it'll give you something to look at, of your own. "here's what i said i was gonna do." yay or nay, it's absolutely better to have than to not have.
1850774;1537191280;asciilifeform;oh hey loox like torvalds finally gone zombie ?
1850775;1537191289;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform afaic.
1850776;1537191341;asciilifeform;sad, but i expected sooner rather than later. showed symptoms.
1850777;1537191421;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform boys that "magically"/"inexplicably"/etc "do not seem to be able to find" #trilema generally (and "who could have predicted!!!"-predictably) come out with some kind of "since the world is entirely composed of the stupid cunts crowding over at the stupid cunt hut, it then follows i must wear pantyhose and lipstic now"
1850778;1537191444;asciilifeform;ave1: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-17#1850727 << neat idea, and in keeping with the libc-removal . for some reason feels 'heavy', tho, but i am resisting the temptation to try an' figure out why atm, i am in the process of wrapping up my own ( conventional ) sockets thing for release today
1850779;1537191444;a111;Logged on 2018-09-17 11:42 ave1: diana_coman, code is here; http://ave1.org/code/suckit/, everything is pretty much in flux still (even then name could change, currently ip addresses are in network order but ports are in native order)
1850780;1537191491;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: torvalds danced in the noose longer than most, is all i can add
1850781;1537191557;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i must disagree that ave1 duplicated the effort -- his item is foundation for a fyootoor raw-irons gnat, imho
1850782;1537191580;asciilifeform;eventually either he or asciilifeform will substitute in the necessary asms, and then can build proggy sans linux etc
1850783;1537191598;mircea_popescu;ps. there's a FUCKING DIFFERENCE between "my lifetime of not understanding emotions" and what's happening there. "understanding" emotion is not of the ilk of the pantsuit "you have to understand" aka http://trilema.com/2017/mimi-metallurgico-ferito-nellonore/#footnote_0_75893
1850784;1537191623;mircea_popescu;understanding emotions eminently does not map, or much relate, to the validation of stupid old cunt's "feelings".
1850785;1537191625;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: torvalds's thing reads like the zinoviev&kamenev 'confessions'
1850786;1537191642;asciilifeform;i half-suspect that it was written 'for' him.
1850787;1537191671;mircea_popescu;it is ~they~ who fail to understand human emotions ; and predfctably attempt to replace the actual complexity of human emotions with a 1-2-3 cliffnote constructed out of their own stunted half-brain. why actual humans would permit this sham is beyond fucking comprehension, and an outrage outright.
1850788;1537191723;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah, it's just... i'm fucking scandalised. junior high "taking over the world" what the fuck is wrong with all these idiots. what, "let's all manalone while the children reconstruct the world in their image", what the fuck already.
1850789;1537191730;asciilifeform;the funny part is that it won't save him any moar than it saved the 1937 folx.
1850790;1537191765;asciilifeform;i suspect that the designated replacement-torvalds, in all of its 'black chix coad' glory, is already being groomed
1850791;1537191813;mircea_popescu;anyway -- fuck 'em, i deeply fucking care some nobody-on-a-stick meanwhile joined the churchgoing group. whatever. but in matters of actual interest : you "were working" on an ada networking socking thing ; ave "was working" on ~same. had diana_coman not said "here's what ~~~I AM ABOUT TO DO~~~", we would have never known. if the wastefulness of this approach isn't directly obvious...
1850792;1537191889;asciilifeform;i'ma disagree that '~same' , but this will only be possible to explain once mine's posted.
1850793;1537191921;mircea_popescu;if they don't happen to same, that is as far as anyone knows, sheer coincidence. because in not having said, you lost on being able to know.
1850794;1537191943;asciilifeform;but yes imho ave1 would've won from at least giving hint re what he's doing
1850795;1537191951;mircea_popescu;heh.
1850796;1537191956;asciilifeform;( asciilifeform at least posted snippets of various incomplete strange , over the yrs )
1850797;1537192021;mircea_popescu;are you familiar with the resistence heuristic ?
1850798;1537192036;asciilifeform;not under this name
1850799;1537192041;asciilifeform;plox to expand?
1850800;1537192082;mircea_popescu;there's two kinds of girls in the dungeon, when it comes to beatings. there's more than two kinds in pretty much all other context, but here just two : those who move into the blow, and those who move to escape it.
1850801;1537192091;mircea_popescu;the latter thereby signal they need more beatings.
1850802;1537192346;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: interesting, none of'em stay put ?
1850803;1537192362;mircea_popescu;tis not of the flesh to stay put.
1850804;1537192390;mircea_popescu;kinda the fucking point. if that were an option -- beating wouldn't be a thing. at least not for me.
1850805;1537192413;mircea_popescu;but in strict terms, the utility is that it forces the above dilemma, inescapably. this is substantially what beating even is, the only proper definition thereof.
1850806;1537192439;mircea_popescu;ova nyah or ova myah, pick & choose.
1850807;1537192568;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-17#1850725 << don't worry, i'm STILL working on it.
1850808;1537192568;a111;Logged on 2018-09-17 10:09 ave1: now for the well-defined part, this I will have to work on...
1850809;1537192596;mircea_popescu;more than half the categories on trilema didn't get any articles in a year+, if this isn't a sign of utter and complete breakdown...
1850810;1537192643;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'defined' is the item that differs in asciilifeform's, in fact. i dispensed with ~90% of the knobs simply by going 'sockets are udp, that's it'. no tcpism, i.e. no accept() and the associated streamolade, no unix sockets with their weird, etc.
1850811;1537192658;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this was re sorting blog bits in categories.
1850812;1537192663;asciilifeform;aa
1850813;1537192681;mircea_popescu;but yes, the procedure is pretty much the sole mother, "when in doubt, simplify"
1850814;1537192699;asciilifeform;( ~all i got is make_socket, get_packet, send_packet , that's it. )
1850815;1537192723;mircea_popescu;apparently unix sockets got a lot weirder while nobody was looking.
1850816;1537192730;mircea_popescu;also, there's html5 socks now too!
1850817;1537192742;asciilifeform;whole unix socket thing was ~always a massive ball of ???
1850818;1537192959;mircea_popescu;ave1 Aggregates << for the record, i think this whole thing is stupid, in the camel-nose-under-tent sense. array-aggregate-operation should not draw in the gc apparatus (in its memcpy portions, whatever).
1850819;1537192972;asciilifeform;gc ?!
1850820;1537192972;mircea_popescu;though on meditation, such a "should" might not be available on current iron...
1850821;1537192987;asciilifeform;there ain't a 'gc apparatus' in gnat
1850822;1537192989;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in my mind, all memory handling operations are part of the gc.
1850823;1537193011;mircea_popescu;whether fucked with in any sense, allocate memory, deallocate memory, it's all one thing.
1850824;1537193032;asciilifeform;you ~could~ call malloc() and free() a 'gc apparatus' (a braindamaged one, imho) but i specifically exclude it in my proggies, by banning heap
1850825;1537193054;mircea_popescu;now i gotta read the memcpy reference, isn't it basically a wrapper on malloc ?
1850826;1537193062;asciilifeform;there's no way to get out of memset()/memcpy() or equiv, tho ( and yes a sane iron would give it as an iron primitive )
1850827;1537193076;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: memcpy is simply a multiword mov
1850828;1537193090;asciilifeform;( and memset is used to clear a range )
1850829;1537193135;asciilifeform;neither is connected in any way with heapology
1850830;1537193175;mircea_popescu;aha! turns out i misspoke.
1850831;1537193199;mircea_popescu;nfi where i picked up the idea, but not borne by facts.
1850832;1537193201;asciilifeform;e.g. Foo(1 .. 3) := (others => 0)  compiles into a memset(..., 0) ; Foo(1 .. 3) := Bar(5 .. 8) compiles into a memcpy . etc
1850833;1537193234;*;mircea_popescu takes it back.
1850834;1537193324;asciilifeform;re heaps, it is asciilifeform's current pov that it is possible (contrary to popular delusion) to write virtually any nontrivial proggy, entirely heaplessly
1850835;1537193354;asciilifeform;( and in fact this was sop in the aerospace/avionics world, until recently 'went microshit' )
1850836;1537193435;mircea_popescu;well, except for "gui" & "feelings".
1850837;1537193452;asciilifeform;for the rare exception, ada standard actually gives the tools to bake a custom heap that uses specified storage and allocation algos, bypassing the os derpery entirely
1850838;1537193467;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-17#1850746 <<->> http://trilema.com/2014/hey-stupid-women-we-need-to-talk-smart-women-dont-want-to-be-with-you-anymore/#selection-159.0-171.73
1850839;1537193467;a111;Logged on 2018-09-17 12:41 diana_coman: I can just about see next version of linux-with-feelings
1850840;1537193468;*;asciilifeform has not yet had occasion to try this
1850841;1537193500;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: linux kernel as a going concern prolly has ~months of life in it, if not weeks
1850842;1537193515;asciilifeform;i suspect the time to snapshot and pour cement, trb style, approaches.
1850843;1537193526;mircea_popescu;what approaches, lol.
1850844;1537193541;mircea_popescu;anyway, i suspect it'll be a whole openssl/libressl bla bla fizzle and pop there too.
1850845;1537193552;mircea_popescu;the path to argentina is well understood and better documented.
1850846;1537193582;asciilifeform;the practical consequence will be 'aah you have iron that wasn't around in sept 2018? go and backport and come back to us with vpatch'
1850847;1537193652;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: linus's kernel was the last remaining 'open sores' item that was 'usable from upstream' afaik.
1850848;1537193678;asciilifeform;d00d successfully kept out the reaching tentacles (poettering's 'kernel dbus', etc)
1850849;1537193682;asciilifeform;this -- is coming to an end.
1850850;1537193693;mircea_popescu;in strict professional terms, this is the sort of boon nobody could have even fucking hoped for, as a child. it's one thing to "miss out on bitcoin" because bought food instead of bitcoin in 2012. it is however a substantially different thing to miss out on engineering -- harder to fucking do.
1850851;1537193749;mircea_popescu;in another decade or two, it'll be strictly impossible for the various pantsuit churchlets to do ~anything. they're rapidly losing all technical ability, and so... i mean i already can take my pick of bdsm-ish chicks in "north america -- the best country in the world". in another coupla decades, boy howdy.
1850852;1537193754;asciilifeform;hey, plenty of folx manage to 'miss engineering' (e.g. by playing with 'feelings' as child instead of junkyard)
1850853;1537193757;mircea_popescu;"electrolytes have the pepsi that plants need"
1850854;1537193780;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, but once one ~is there~, one is there. there's no more missing out, just stick to it.
1850855;1537193894;asciilifeform;d00d tired of cleaning monkey shit, handed temple over to the monkeys.
1850856;1537193941;asciilifeform;possibly suffers the delusion where 'they'll beg to have me back' or somesuch.
1850857;1537194095;mircea_popescu;in any case, what we do on ~regular basis is already "unthinkable" for the alt-professional (in the http://trilema.com/2013/a-very-unfair-perspective/#selection-41.0-41.828 sense of  "alt") crowd, from http://trilema.com/2012/law-enforcement-never-fails-to-unintentionally-entertain/#selection-129.0-129.992 imperial dragoons to the http://trilema.com/2015/what-amused-me-today/ "independent mind" schmucks.
1850858;1537194129;mircea_popescu;there's just about no perspective which is both consistent and describes a reduction of this gap.
1850859;1537194185;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the way i understand it, there's a set of folx with souls, and another, larger, set of meatpuppets with soul-emulator in ms 'excel'. and no, can't bridge gap, how would this even go.
1850860;1537194218;asciilifeform;( mircea_popescu , recall garcia lorca's 'alma de charol' ? )
1850861;1537194224;mircea_popescu;in point of fact, historical aristocracy did not enjoy quite as deep or strict cleavage from the peons. yes your count would be "brave" where your peasanrt would be "cowardly", but this is very fucking little when compared to "in alte stiri umoristice, prostalaii astia cu fetlife si-or angajat uameni si-or schimbat saitu', pen'ca li se parea lor cam nedrept ca de ce fac io ce vreau pe-acolo. ca rezultat, mi-or murit tate scri
1850862;1537194224;mircea_popescu;pturile. ca alt rezultat, am sezut doua ceasuri de-am recitit ce mizerii am scris acum sase luni, le-am rescris, si... mnoa, triplat eficienta."
1850863;1537194261;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ok, but in 1200 a peasant could ~at least in principle~ become lord. some kind of principle, something (yes it ~never worked in practice).
1850864;1537194274;mircea_popescu;good fucking luck with this new paradigm however. how, just FUCKING HOW ?!
1850865;1537194328;mircea_popescu;in short -- "good news", after a fashion : everyone's fucked, and their children will absolutely never see the light of day.
1850866;1537194482;BingoBoingo;!Q later tell PeterL http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/3GLik/?raw=true
1850867;1537194482;lobbesbot;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
1850868;1537194483;lobbesbot;BingoBoingo: Sent 11 hours and 3 minutes ago: <PeterL> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/KDpD9/?raw=true
1850869;1537195213;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: actually very similar to nao -- d00d who spend childhood cleaning chicken shit instead of on horseback, was not lord material
1850870;1537195242;asciilifeform;simple physiological problem, really
1850871;1537195243;mircea_popescu;yes, but much easier to remedy that.
1850872;1537195337;*;asciilifeform bbl,teatime
1850873;1537196495;deedbot;http://pizarroisp.net/2018/09/17/september-2018/ << PizzaroISP - September 2018
1850874;1537196730;mod6;Thanks deedbot.  TMSR~: The Pizarro August report is finally out, thanks for your patience with me for getting this completed.
1850875;1537196835;mircea_popescu;twoweeks!
1850876;1537196867;mod6;Yeah, was a bear.
1850877;1537196911;mod6;I ended up having to go through the assets and liabilities tables like 2x.
1850878;1537197196;mod6;Hopefully it gets easier. :/
1850879;1537197221;mircea_popescu;hopefully!
1850880;1537197282;BingoBoingo;Turns out transitions are a bitch, contrary to Craig Kate Woods propaganda
1850881;1537197614;mod6;After looking at the post that I just made a bit more carefully, I'm gonna have to repost.  The HTMLifier hosed up the spacing and columns.
1850882;1537197623;mod6;Will report back...
1850883;1537198615;mod6;Alright, much better.  http://pizarroisp.net/2018/09/17/september-2018/
1850884;1537200320;deedbot;http://bimbo.club/?p=14 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 9/06/2018
1850885;1537200425;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: update re crate -- dhl says 'montevideo: delayed in customs' but no email from same of yet
1850886;1537200458;asciilifeform;( apparently takes only 3d to get to orcistan nao.. )
1850887;1537200470;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Aite, you should recieve that in the next 24-36 hours
1850888;1537200476;asciilifeform;aite, lessee
1850889;1537200656;asciilifeform;mod6: congrats
1850890;1537202213;diana_coman;ave1, I adapted my udp test from http://ossasepia.com/2018/09/14/smgcomms-implementation-chapter-1/#selection-159.0-159.2325 to use your suckits and it works!
1850891;1537202320;mircea_popescu;"your suckit -0 it works!"
1850892;1537202693;asciilifeform;neato
1850893;1537203498;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-17#1850713 << imma start calling this "coming out"
1850894;1537203498;a111;Logged on 2018-09-17 08:05 ave1: In other news, some lulzy drama underway in the Linux kernel camp; https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CA+55aFy+Hv9O5citAawS+mVZO+ywCKd9NQ2wxUmGsz9ZJzqgJQ@mail.gmail.com/
1850895;1537203762;mircea_popescu;or turning out, as in the classical pimping term.
1850896;1537203822;asciilifeform;what was the virological term, when latent carrier begins to show symptoms
1850897;1537203909;mircea_popescu;i suppose "express", as in "genotype expresses in fenotype". though honestly, the more direct sexual reference is deeply adequate. this is a sexual matter, not genetic nor immunological nor etc.
1850898;1537203954;asciilifeform;epidemiological matter.
1850899;1537203955;trinque;he's offering up the asshole to spite father, like so many emo kids before him, to join the church of pantsuit
1850900;1537204001;trinque;reminds me of seeing same when some overtly gay kid would go to the front of the church to get fondled by church elders and convert
1850901;1537204009;mircea_popescu;i don't see the contagion angle. sexual fetishes are a matter of fashion, to some degree, but not properly speaking epidemic.
1850902;1537204016;asciilifeform;trinque: kid is one thing; d00d held out for, what, 20yrs
1850903;1537204038;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in this sense the more famous judas held out for 30 yrs.
1850904;1537204061;mircea_popescu;yes, back when ~nobody cared he "held out".
1850905;1537204083;trinque;asciilifeform: torvalds might not have been so cranky if he wasn't stuck in LOOK AT ME, I'M A MAN NOW mode for 20yrs
1850906;1537204089;trinque;this is a teenaged thing
1850907;1537204106;asciilifeform;possibly
1850908;1537204134;mircea_popescu;i r suspect alf is the more disappointed among us. not that i hold that against him.
1850909;1537204148;asciilifeform;i'll confess, did not actively follow his human output. all i saw was the kernel-dbus folx etc banging unsuccessfully at the kernel door for ~decade
1850910;1537204180;mircea_popescu;i happily ignored "tech" in that decade, or most of it anyway.
1850911;1537204186;asciilifeform;i'ma subscriber to 'by their fruits shall know them'(tm) algo
1850912;1537204193;trinque;a teenager can do the right thing.
1850913;1537204222;*;trinque was musing in the office earlier that Jobs died before his coming out, lucky man
1850914;1537204227;mircea_popescu;consequently all sorts of things are the same to me, or not worth the distinguishing, that i believe aren't to the more involved observer.
1850915;1537204233;mircea_popescu;not proposing this as a virtue.
1850916;1537204283;mircea_popescu;trinque i dunno, he was into that whole "live forever in a turtleneck and short hair" pantsuit churchlet.
1850917;1537204291;asciilifeform;hey, the alpha centaurians who only see the radio crapola from us, and nuffin else, prolly distinguish even less.
1850918;1537204313;mircea_popescu;that he croaked is lofty irony, in that sense, but i can't imagine what coming out it'd have taken. how was he in ?
1850919;1537204352;trinque;in the same pretense as torvalds, "I tell people no; this is it, right?"
1850920;1537204362;trinque;apparently not, better build something behind the walls
1850921;1537204368;asciilifeform;trinque: my model of s.jobs is as an old-style 'vhs usa' howard hughes sorta figure. 'fuckoff, i'ma sit in my box with filtered air, and do what i want'
1850922;1537204395;trinque;I think they'd have rolled him right over by now, no pretense of higher ground left
1850923;1537204398;mircea_popescu;except "what i want" is "unleash the creativity in every droplet of mankind" sorta bunk.
1850924;1537204417;mircea_popescu;it's a wonder they didn't cryo-whatever him.
1850925;1537204432;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that was the marketing dept. d00d himself was moar of a quimby.
1850926;1537204483;mircea_popescu;anyway, the "millenialist", so to call them, "star trek is socialist future" pantsuit group lost pretty much everything in the 2010s religious war with the "ugly fat negro women with their tits in the mud is socialist future" group.
1850927;1537204491;asciilifeform;'effective monopolist', sold the users 100 $ scsi cables, and 'make'em like it'
1850928;1537204540;mircea_popescu;i never perceived him as anything other than or besides https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FM-2030 character.
1850929;1537204566;asciilifeform;lol, where do you find these !
1850930;1537204596;mircea_popescu;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futures_studies << example wank. it's a whole school of pantsuitism.
1850931;1537204657;mircea_popescu;it was a very different flavour of socialism than what's currently prevailing in pantsuilands. this was supposed to be pretty much exactly star trek, "better living through technology [and carefully not looking under the rugs desighnated 'do not look under this rug']".
1850932;1537204706;mircea_popescu;the whole "women are people too, muh feelings, rape is bad mkay, e=mc2 is mean because it priviledges the speed of light over other speeds much more important to us" mamie-ism is entirely a different flavour
1850933;1537204707;trinque;"so long as we all revere picard it totally isn't hierarchy!"
1850934;1537204733;mircea_popescu;but it prevailed because http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-17#1021774
1850935;1537204733;a111;Logged on 2015-02-17 03:31 mircea_popescu: meanwhile, moore's dead, and the thing will suffer the exact fate of printing.
1850936;1537204765;asciilifeform;helps to put current-day crapple into correct perspective. it is a creation of 1990s microshit ( massive dough infusion ), originally to defend against 'monopoly bust'. ended up revived as a replacement 'usg dept of kompyooting' as the original began to show signs of rust
1850937;1537204810;mircea_popescu;meanwhuile in lulz, "WHIPPED BECAUSE SHE WAS IMPERTINENT Then Miss DeCrist Was Chained to a Negress Until She Fainted"
1850938;1537204818;mircea_popescu;https://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=LAH19030813.2.6&e=-------en--20--1--txt-txIN--------1 <
1850939;1537204829;asciilifeform;holyfuq that url
1850940;1537204835;mircea_popescu;aaand i shall bbl!
1850941;1537204838;asciilifeform;what's their thing implemented in... befunge ?!
1850942;1537205091;*;asciilifeform suspects that 'mother earth mamie socialism' and 'galacticexploration socialism' are not wholly separate, psychiatrically, items. back when 'mother industry will provide' was sustainable religion, that was the dominant flavour. after errybody's tasted buffett's petro-caviar, no longer appealed, same psychotypes went to 'mother earth will provide' historic default
1850943;1537205171;asciilifeform;the fundamental flavour of the snake oil being sold, 'one day errybody can have ERRYTHING THEY WANT!11' , is quite similar in both
1850944;1537205400;asciilifeform;the lizards, having access to the http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-30#778096 figs, naturally switched to the 'help'em downregulate their wants' tack. ergo 'tits in the mud' becoming order of the day.
1850945;1537205400;a111;Logged on 2014-07-30 13:57 asciilifeform: g: 'show me the real budget.' a: 'you're asking too much. that's off limits to you.'
1850946;1537209014;ben_vulpes;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/HUrlW/?raw=true << winklevii taking a crack at "tether" market
1850947;1537209121;asciilifeform;lol, swift-on-ethertardium ?
1850948;1537209122;asciilifeform;snoar
1850949;1537209205;*;trinque recalls some other folks being arrested for "counterfeiting" after creating the "liberty dollar"
1850950;1537209253;asciilifeform;trinque: but lol, see, those were cuntry rubes, scamming without Official inca franchise
1850951;1537209286;trinque;https://web.archive.org/web/20110325052709/http://www.nysun.com/editorials/a-unique-form-of-terrorism/87269/ << ???A unique form of domestic terrorism??? is the way the U.S. Attorney for the Western District of North Carolina, Anne M. Tompkins, is describing attempts ???to undermine the legitimate currency of this country.???
1850952;1537209303;trinque;this must be that original sin people talk about
1850953;1537209325;asciilifeform;trinque: i cited that one in my ancient http://www.loper-os.org/?p=939 piece , aha
1850954;1537209344;asciilifeform;'“While these forms of anti-government activities do not involve violence, they are every bit as insidious and represent a clear and present danger to the economic stability of this country,” she said.' etc
1850955;1537209377;*;asciilifeform doesn't grasp who and for what needs yet-another paypal, just as the last N-1 times
1850956;1537210081;PeterL;hey there
1850957;1537210081;lobbesbot;PeterL: Sent 4 hours and 19 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/3GLik/?raw=true
1850958;1537210180;mod6;Hi PeterL:  BingoBoingo was telling me that you wanted a Hosted Shell Plus plan for 0.002 BTC/mo, correct?
1850959;1537210196;PeterL;bingoboingo what key is that encrypted to?
1850960;1537210320;PeterL;why is #pizarro invite only, are not potential customers pointed there by the website?
1850961;1537210385;BingoBoingo;PeterL: mod6 is worried about Allah spam in #pizarro
1850962;1537210407;BingoBoingo;But you can encrypt the ssh pub key to myself, mod6 or both of us
1850963;1537210416;PeterL;mod6: I was looking at the 0.001 /mo one, would that work for a blog?
1850964;1537210481;mod6;PeterL: There really only is one package at this time, the Hosted Shell Plus, which is 0.002 BTC/mo, but gives you all the items you require for a blog.
1850965;1537210563;mod6;And ya, would love to have #pizarro open and welcoming to everyone.  I turned off the restrictions this AM and within 3 minutes, guy came in and shit in the foyer.
1850966;1537210576;mod6;So they went back on.
1850967;1537211054;mod6;Also folks, Pizarro needs to purchase some fiat, so if you're interested, can start up an auction if you like, or can do WU or whatever.  Minimum $500, please.  Let us know if interested.
1850968;1537211338;trinque;mod6: can't operate a storefront without being willing to ban-per-derp
1850969;1537211385;mod6;These guys are like: 1) enter 2) shit 3) leave 4) change nicl
1850970;1537211396;mod6;can't really contest with that
1850971;1537211405;trinque;fair enough
1850972;1537211411;mircea_popescu;anti-government activities for the win.
1850973;1537211460;mircea_popescu;mod6 srsly, invite-only dun work so well for a support chan
1850974;1537211513;trinque;also apparently stood in the way of a sale for PeterL, albeit temporarily
1850975;1537211522;trinque;maybe somebody else isn't so persistent
1850976;1537211530;trinque;onboarding ramp!!!
1850977;1537211536;mod6;i totally agree.  kinda between charybdis and scylla on this tho 'eh
1850978;1537211555;mircea_popescu;does +m no longer work then ?
1850979;1537211569;mod6;i mean, for a channel to be a useful place to do things, one must be able to read it and its logs.
1850980;1537211571;mircea_popescu;or what was it, +r, w/e, need to be registered to join
1850981;1537211598;mod6;i guess we could leave it +m
1850982;1537211795;mod6;Alright, we'll try that.  Also gave info to ops on how to do things so I'm not the one channel master.
1850983;1537211802;mod6;asciilifeform BingoBoingo ben_vulpes ^
1850984;1537211858;ben_vulpes;mod6: ack
1850985;1537212149;BingoBoingo;If #eulora can handle, we might have to raise our tolerance for the noise. Or get a bot going that than autokickbans on the phrase "Allah is doing"
1850986;1537212215;mircea_popescu;might actually offer a bot-as-a-service that pms all new joins to the channel a question, and if it doesn't get the answer it doesn't voice them
1850987;1537212218;mircea_popescu;sorta like deedbot lite.
1850988;1537212256;mircea_popescu;trinque is this something you'd be interested in doing ? expand deedbot thusly, maybe charge chans a fee ?
1850989;1537212351;trinque;that sort of hired-deedbot service is already on my long conveyor, out past hotwallet, out past repossession of linux. I'd not be offended if somebody else did this, but my version will be coming regardless
1850990;1537212387;trinque;whole notion behind the invoicing system was that I'll offer these kinds of subscription services
1850991;1537212390;mircea_popescu;any good reason to not shuffle it close in ?
1850992;1537212432;trinque;I could move it ahead of hotwallet; oughta get linux repo work done first while the dwarf-fortress-isms of portage are still fresh in my head
1850993;1537212443;PeterL;at least now I can join #pizarro, but still can't talk there
1850994;1537212444;trinque;*repossession, not repository
1850995;1537212451;mircea_popescu;aha.
1850996;1537212496;mircea_popescu;what's deedbot, python ?
1850997;1537212605;trinque;naw, lisp entirely
1850998;1537212647;trinque;several lisp services using a postgresql as a message queue
1850999;1537213113;mircea_popescu;trinque tbh i was thinking of revising the voice model altogether, in favour of a voice-or-kick model.
1851000;1537213142;mircea_popescu;no more need for !!up, deedbot messages you on join, you got 5 minutes or somesuch to respond. if you don't, it kicks, and if it kicks you multiple times a day it also bans you.
1851001;1537213644;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/09/cristina-kirchner-charged-over-criminal-conspiracy/ << Qntra - Cristina Kirchner Charged Over Criminal Conspiracy
1851002;1537213793;trinque;can see the wisdom in it, if freenode were reliable. would need to account for days of bad freenode weather, or repeated reconnects without meat present at terminal would result in a ban.
1851003;1537213910;mircea_popescu;"repeated reconnects without meat present at terminal" <<< this seems at best disrespectful.
1851004;1537213918;mircea_popescu;why should we be asked to talk to machines ?
1851005;1537213930;BingoBoingo;In other Linus/Lola Transitions http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/TMwik/?raw=true
1851006;1537213991;mircea_popescu;lola torvalds henceforth ? this is not even a bad idea.
1851007;1537213991;mircea_popescu;might as well make use of the golums.
1851008;1537214021;trinque;mircea_popescu: eh? I'm not following you. implementing what you described would get someone banned if their IRC client is automatically reconnecting during netsplits and etc
1851009;1537214058;mircea_popescu;"makes it sound like she has reneged on a gender agreement, rather than come to terms with her identity" << exactly what fucking happened, duh.
1851010;1537214090;mircea_popescu;"it's not so much that there's no more pie, as it is we ate the pie." hurr durr, endless infinity engine of unredeemable externalizations.
1851011;1537214126;mircea_popescu;trinque afaik netsplits resolution preserves voice.
1851012;1537214158;trinque;can, but I guarantee there are cases where someone's client will reconnect 5 times without them home
1851013;1537214172;mircea_popescu;anyway, seems to me "automatic connections" is a take on "a man walks into a bar" consisting of "but it wasn't really a man, just the hologram of one"
1851014;1537214200;mircea_popescu;you're saying this level of incarnation is too much to ask ?
1851015;1537214235;trinque;not at all, knife can cut in the direction of "don't autoconnect, connect when you're you", and is entirely sensible.
1851016;1537214265;mircea_popescu;it seems to me to be the right thing here, "connect when you're you". otherwise, who are we talking to ?
1851017;1537214277;mircea_popescu;not like log reading and the !Q later device aren't available to cross presence gaps.
1851018;1537214292;*;trinque can dig it
1851019;1537214307;mircea_popescu;anyway, mostly thinking outloud.
1851020;1537214356;mircea_popescu;what's exactly the benefit of having whichever-unvoiced-name idling ? that what, "they can confirm the logs" ? wut the fuck is ever going to ask the voiceless anything, i need anonvouching like i need featherhairs.
1851021;1537214430;mircea_popescu;erry time i come in i send !!up to deedbot, i sent thousands to date, why ? it knows what i'm gonna say to it the momen ti show up, doesn't it ? who does anything @ deedbot  BUT  "!!up" when they come in ?
1851022;1537214615;mircea_popescu;i guess "this cat not worth the skinning", in general, maybe. sure, not like the current model is that broken. but if you're going to support things like #pizarro, deedbot pming new names is way the fuck better than pizarro website or sales funnel including a "and then send !!up to deebot" etc.
1851023;1537214659;mircea_popescu;noob support needs to be as simple and requiring of as little initiative as possible. and once that's made like that, why am i forcing you to keep an entirely separate model for #trilema ? when the same thing would actually work better in point of fact ?
1851024;1537214709;mircea_popescu;simply have a knob that decides whether {crypto|plain} auth is used ; crypto does what it does now, plain asks a question, "Tell me what color is the sky", picked from a list or somesuch.
1851025;1537214783;BingoBoingo;Remember the incredibly effective Bitbet captcha
1851026;1537214835;mircea_popescu;then like that it's perfectly systematizable, "!!add #fuckall plain 0 intolerant" meaning "join #fuckall, kick/ban anyone who fails to answer your plaintext question, voice everyone who does answer permanently"
1851027;1537215041;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-17#1850999 << i like this idea,
1851028;1537215041;a111;Logged on 2018-09-17 19:38 mircea_popescu: trinque tbh i was thinking of revising the voice model altogether, in favour of a voice-or-kick model.
1851029;1537215051;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hanbot predicted this.
1851030;1537215069;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-17#1851013 << but this, not so much. currently i have a znc poured into cement, and loathe to change anyffing at all about it.
1851031;1537215069;a111;Logged on 2018-09-17 19:56 mircea_popescu: anyway, seems to me "automatic connections" is a take on "a man walks into a bar" consisting of "but it wasn't really a man, just the hologram of one"
1851032;1537215090;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform did it ever do what he describes ? i dun think i ever saw it.
1851033;1537215107;asciilifeform;actually quite recently, iirc mircea_popescu was even awake for it
1851034;1537215117;mircea_popescu;can has a pointer ?
1851035;1537215119;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-03#1847160
1851036;1537215119;a111;Logged on 2018-09-03 19:23 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/cltKR/?raw=true << you were in a few times.
1851037;1537215146;mircea_popescu;propos fdor teh archiver lobbes !
1851038;1537215169;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha hm. totally forgot.
1851039;1537215181;asciilifeform;fleanode suxx, 'noose at 11'
1851040;1537215228;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-17#1851016 << fwiw asciilifeform has various robotics passing log material to him even when he is far from a 2way terminal
1851041;1537215228;a111;Logged on 2018-09-17 19:57 mircea_popescu: it seems to me to be the right thing here, "connect when you're you". otherwise, who are we talking to ?
1851042;1537215246;mircea_popescu;nuttin wrong with that.
1851043;1537215277;asciilifeform;aha, was addressing the 'what's the point of reconnectortrons, i want to talk to live people'
1851044;1537215281;mircea_popescu;i personally fucking loathe it, because often i want to answer, and then if i can't i have to savew it, which works poorly.
1851045;1537215300;asciilifeform;makes sense
1851046;1537215330;mircea_popescu;so i kinda tend to sit at term when ima read logs. maybe this is just my own workflow bias speaking.
1851047;1537215346;mircea_popescu;anyway, the point certainly isn't to force people to be more like x, in any case.
1851048;1537215363;mircea_popescu;it all sprung out from the "how would the deedbot pizarro service look like" consideration.
1851049;1537215507;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-17#1851024 << 'nonstandard' captchas actually work quite well. ( i have one in the pipeline for my www, which used an ancient heathen service thing that meanwhile died ). there was a famous ru www that had... schoolboy-level integral problems, as 'captcha'.
1851050;1537215507;a111;Logged on 2018-09-17 20:05 mircea_popescu: simply have a knob that decides whether {crypto|plain} auth is used ; crypto does what it does now, plain asks a question, "Tell me what color is the sky", picked from a list or somesuch.
1851051;1537215533;mircea_popescu;certainly.
1851052;1537215635;mircea_popescu;the problem with "kick only, no banning" is that the same sort of idle morons that currently idle here would just go to war with the bot with their autoreconnectors ; deedbot would kick the same idiots over and over and oever again, possibly for the next 5 years.
1851053;1537215643;mircea_popescu;this is the whole fucking point here, pierce the "convenience" world.
1851054;1537215682;mircea_popescu;this situation where "i idle in 560895409860 channels and have last read anything 176 weeks ago" gotta fucking cease.
1851055;1537215695;asciilifeform;recall the iptables thread ? bans are not a perma-pill, same derps could just as easily go to war with fleanode's nick reg mechanism, get 9000 clean nicks, neh.
1851056;1537215715;mircea_popescu;by the time they do that, "why are you not just being normal" becomes quite hte question
1851057;1537215734;asciilifeform;seems to me that items come in 'allcomers' and 'closed wot', and 'allcomers+bans' is simply recipe for whackamole
1851058;1537215762;mircea_popescu;not that i'm even for a second proposing this is impossible. #eulora famously had one moron who "played" the game for months, merely creating accounts, never actually went in.
1851059;1537215770;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform bans are currently free, i don't maintain the list.
1851060;1537215774;asciilifeform;right
1851061;1537215780;mircea_popescu;nothing wrong with seeing what happens with a really long one.
1851062;1537215807;asciilifeform;!#s remoras
1851063;1537215808;a111;19 results for "remoras", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=remoras
1851064;1537215813;asciilifeform;^ i'ma all for the remora ddt.
1851065;1537215858;asciilifeform;strikes me as orthogonal to the voice q, tho
1851066;1537215864;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-22#1631003 << prophecy
1851067;1537215864;a111;Logged on 2017-03-22 20:53 ben_vulpes: i'd almost rather see an auto-kicker
1851068;1537215900;asciilifeform;if mircea_popescu puts in a 'folx who lurked for n day and said 0' kicktron, i'll clap.
1851069;1537215916;mircea_popescu;well this'd be it.
1851070;1537215957;asciilifeform;so long as it specifically excludes validly-wot'd folx, i can't see any possibl problem
1851071;1537215992;asciilifeform;nobody needs the 'i'ma lurk here for a year because reading www logs is against koran' types for anyffing, imho.
1851072;1537216028;mircea_popescu;so you'd want " if you don't, it kicks, and if it kicks you multiple times a day it also bans you." ammended to " if you don't, it kicks, and if it kicks you multiple times a day and your wotranking isn't >1 it also bans you." ?
1851073;1537216040;asciilifeform;aha
1851074;1537216056;asciilifeform;sounds like entirely good pill.
1851075;1537216067;mircea_popescu;this may even be feasible, i don't imagine the wotscore lookup is that expensive. i dun see anythinf wrong with it, if anyone's annoying easy enough to fix the score.
1851076;1537216088;asciilifeform;aha, same mechanism as trinque presently has for voice filter
1851077;1537216160;mircea_popescu;prolly >=1 in there. but anyway.
1851078;1537216244;asciilifeform;to rewrite the equation, there's a set of folx who have some biznis connecting, and a larger set who do not, and fortunately they are mechanically distinguishable
1851079;1537216299;asciilifeform;as for the classic voice model, i admit that i like the hidden feature where it causes folx to periodically reassert that they still control their key
1851080;1537216332;asciilifeform;( this is where it wins over simple 'moderated' chan with hand-curated people list )
1851081;1537216428;asciilifeform;i can't speak for others, but asciilifeform does not find having to unsheath the launch coads erry coupla wks, to be huge headache
1851082;1537216445;asciilifeform;( and e.g. mircea_popescu unsheaths ~erry day, and i dun recall him finding it headache )
1851083;1537217099;diana_coman;the question+kick&ban sounds good to me - kicking "silent" aka "I'm part of it because I hang about in here doing nothing" is even needed by now, I'd say; I can also see very well its usefulness for other channels; while atm #eulora tolerates the allah-spam, it could certainly do without it especially at less-quiet times
1851084;1537217105;mircea_popescu;well, i certainly prefer it to the alternative, whereby ghost-of-mp long after floats about the land
1851085;1537221873;Mocky;allah-spam in #eulora seemed mere annoyance until I noticed how it inserts pages of spam with log search results.
1851086;1537221909;Mocky;*into* log search results
1851087;1537222922;trinque;wot rating lookup isn't heavy at all, sounds like a plan.
1851088;1537239434;deedbot;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2557 << Loper OS - UDP.
1851089;1537239450;asciilifeform;!Q later tell diana_coman http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2557 .
1851090;1537239450;lobbesbot;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1851091;1537239547;asciilifeform;^ eventually i'd like to rewrite the human-string routines, and get rid of the unix callout there, but imho errything else prolly oughta stay as is.
1851092;1537239592;asciilifeform;!Q later tell phf plox to snarf vpatch in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2557 , ty
1851093;1537239593;lobbesbot;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1851094;1537239612;*;asciilifeform will bbl.
1851095;1537244452;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-17#1851083 << exactly.
1851096;1537244452;a111;Logged on 2018-09-17 20:44 diana_coman: the question+kick&ban sounds good to me - kicking "silent" aka "I'm part of it because I hang about in here doing nothing" is even needed by now, I'd say; I can also see very well its usefulness for other channels; while atm #eulora tolerates the allah-spam, it could certainly do without it especially at less-quiet times
1851097;1537249929;deedbot;http://bimbo.club/?p=15 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 9/07/2018
1851098;1537253326;diana_coman;thanks asciilifeform! I'll read it and get back to you
1851099;1537253326;lobbesbot;diana_coman: Sent 3 hours and 51 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2557 .
1851100;1537275473;diana_coman;asciilifeform, confirmed working nicely with its own tests + adapted client/server test as used previously
1851101;1537275757;diana_coman;to round this whole thing up: 2 days ago it seemed I had only the gnat.sockets/ thin layer option which wasn't fit for purpose; now I have 2 more options: 1. ave1's ADA implementation of UDP sockets using directly ASM inline 2. asciilifeform's light UDP sockets lib that uses C code for needed UDP sockets calls but provides an Ada wrapper so that any code using the lib can call Ada methods only
1851102;1537275935;diana_coman;for completeness, version 3. GNAT.Sockets.Thin that is an Ada wrapper on C system calls containing however questionable approaches (e.g. returning access to String so effectively a pointer but worse than this: allocating memory on the heap and leaving the de-alloc to the caller...)
1851103;1537275981;diana_coman;version 4. GNAT.Sockets that is built on top of 3. above and mainly serves to force Streams for everything
1851104;1537276162;diana_coman;asciilifeform, if I understand your lib correctly, it aims to expose only a strict & minimal set of UDP calls; atm it uses C code for the actual socket part but in principle this layer could be replaced at a later time by some Ada layer while keeping the rest as it is, correct?
1851105;1537276264;diana_coman;as it is, the selected minimal set of ops seems ok, except perhaps the fixed message length - I think it's more of a maximum length needed in practice, at least for current version of S.MG protocol
1851106;1537276300;diana_coman;asciilifeform, any reason why your lib does not support any options at all to be set for the UDP socket?
1851107;1537276350;diana_coman;http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-9-18#431369 -> refers to http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-9-16#429804
1851108;1537276351;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-09-18 12:37 diana_coman: to round this whole thing up: 2 days ago it seemed I had only the gnat.sockets/ thin layer option which wasn't fit for purpose; now I have 2 more options: 1. ave1's ADA implementation of UDP sockets using directly ASM inline 2. asciilifeform's light UDP sockets lib that uses C code for needed UDP sockets calls but provides an Ada wrapper so that any code using the lib can call Ada methods 
1851109;1537276352;asciilifeform;diana_coman: afaik the only useful option re udp avail on linux is reuseaddr
1851110;1537276360;asciilifeform;and i set it
1851111;1537276476;asciilifeform;diana_coman: observe, my lib is somewhat unorthodox, it tries to abstract entirely over the os socket, nails down a fixed packet length, ipv4 4evah, no 'nonblockisms' - who wants these, can implement via ada task; no dnsism supported at all, etc
1851112;1537276504;diana_coman;yes, I'm not crying over those
1851113;1537276528;asciilifeform;diana_coman: anyffing useful and conspicuously missing ?
1851114;1537276544;diana_coman;I can see your point there; it was literally a question to understand the reasoning behind the choice, nothing more
1851115;1537276548;asciilifeform;aa
1851116;1537276598;asciilifeform;reasoning was twofold, 1) 'want short coad that can be read in half hour'
1851117;1537276628;asciilifeform;2) 'when i ditch unix, the api should continue to make exactly same amt of sense as before'
1851118;1537276639;diana_coman;as I was saying earlier: atm the fixed packet length might clash a bit with what I need but it's not even fully clear it's not *better* to have a fixed packet length anyway
1851119;1537276652;asciilifeform;imho it is
1851120;1537276668;asciilifeform;tho it can be debated exactly which length, as i noted in the proggy
1851121;1537276688;asciilifeform;there's a 'max never-fragged', afaik 508 byte
1851122;1537276692;diana_coman;asciilifeform, myeah, the actual length is likely to be different at the very least, but that's not a big issue
1851123;1537276713;asciilifeform;but there is also a 'min that will be reassembled on most routers', iirc 580
1851124;1537276742;asciilifeform;there is also a max possible, iirc 65520 or near
1851125;1537276765;asciilifeform;can freely experiment, simply turn the knob ( dun forget to turn it on both ends.. )
1851126;1537276818;diana_coman;on a different note: I really had trouble coming up with a *full and reliable* set of errors that the UDP ops in linux might throw up; from linux man pages I gathered the unhelpful "all errors from IP may be returned by recv /send" - and looking at that list, it makes for a waaay bigger set than what I see you considered
1851127;1537276827;asciilifeform;diana_coman: imho variable-length-datagram is for the birds. hence i jettisoned good bit of complexity by omitting it
1851128;1537276848;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i handle all eggogs
1851129;1537276862;asciilifeform;what i do not do, is to ~distinguish~ all of the,
1851130;1537276868;asciilifeform;*them
1851131;1537276894;asciilifeform;observe how the eggogology is organized.
1851132;1537276896;diana_coman;ah, because send/recv will return -1 for error whatever it might be anyway
1851133;1537276905;asciilifeform;correct.
1851134;1537277071;asciilifeform;my approach to eggogology is same as to rest of unix liquishit -- when possible, imprison it, not bring out, so long as proggy behaves reasonably
1851135;1537277191;asciilifeform;user is told e.g. 'bind eggoged', 'send eggoged', rather than linux-specific whys ( and for that matter, on a working box udp never eggogs , i haven't even any notion presently how to make it , aside from bind()ing a nonexistent local ip)
1851136;1537277330;diana_coman;right; in terms of simplicity I can't say atm that I'm able to see anything that can be further cut off from the udp part itself indeed (the string <-> ip part doesn't seem to fit in there necessarily but that's not udp per se anyway)
1851137;1537277477;asciilifeform;diana_coman: imho that functionality belongs in a udp lib ( given as it demands knowledge of how ip is represented ) but prolly oughta be a troo ada thing, not a callout. however implementing it would double the mass of the proggy
1851138;1537277496;asciilifeform;so i left it like-so
1851139;1537277568;asciilifeform;makes for an easy 2box demo, incidentally.
1851140;1537277625;asciilifeform;it also shows how to output strings in a civilized way, for n00bz.
1851141;1537277642;asciilifeform;( returns fixed-len )
1851142;1537277675;diana_coman;asciilifeform, the udp lib can request it in a certain format; the rest is layered on top, I don't really see why it needs string representation or eating a string; anyways, splitting hairs on this
1851143;1537277723;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i already nailed down a format, observe, ip is stored always as native-endian 32bit.
1851144;1537277745;asciilifeform;so if your own coad is compatible with this form, can safely jettison the string glue
1851145;1537277783;diana_coman;aha
1851146;1537277798;asciilifeform;diana_coman: virtually all nontrivial programs eat or display an ip in txt form somewhere, i've found. incl the demo. hence, included.
1851147;1537277833;diana_coman;re eggogging udp on a machine, perhaps trying to send something above the UDP packet limit I'd say (it's ~64k iirc)
1851148;1537277851;asciilifeform;slightly under 64k. try it.
1851149;1537277874;asciilifeform;ought produce send eggog.
1851150;1537277906;diana_coman;I'd expect that, yes; it was re <asciilifeform> user is told e.g. 'bind eggoged', 'send eggoged', rather than linux-specific whys ( and for that matter, on a working box udp never eggogs , i haven't even any notion presently how to make it , aside from bind()ing a nonexistent local ip)
1851151;1537277914;asciilifeform;aa
1851152;1537277996;asciilifeform;but yes, you wont get anyffing more detailed than in which unixism was the eggog ( strace will give it to you tho ). idea being. udp does not ever eggog during everyday operation on a correctly configged box
1851153;1537278020;asciilifeform;you'd need something like a dead iron nic.
1851154;1537278129;asciilifeform;incidentally, my lib can be asmed just as readily as ave1 asmed the classical 'all of tcp stack' glue. ( sadly i dun currently have the free hands to do this )
1851155;1537278373;diana_coman;it's not fully clear to me if it's something needed /desired atm; at any rate, compared to where I was 2 days ago, it's great - all of a sudden it went from "need to do this from scratch, ugh" to "there are 2 republican libs with 2 approaches, which one fits best my needs?" ; I'm rather delighted to be honest
1851156;1537278408;diana_coman;anyways, will give this some more thought
1851157;1537278730;asciilifeform;diana_coman: lemme know if you think of further 'why did he do that'-s.
1851158;1537278819;asciilifeform;incidentally i built an' tested with ave1's gnat, a+++ worx.
1851159;1537278856;asciilifeform;still needs a bigendian test tho.
1851160;1537278880;asciilifeform;( maybe trinque , if he has time )
1851161;1537278968;asciilifeform;ave1: know what would be neat ? ~raw~ packet support. ( recall mircea_popescu's 'i hate udp' thread )
1851162;1537279000;asciilifeform;but this is for the fyootoor, when we start adaizing kernel, perhaps.
1851163;1537279168;diana_coman;asciilifeform, ah, I forgot to mention it explicitly but yes, my tests include ave1's gnat as well as adacore's gnat; this is pretty much for any ada code I test
1851164;1537279217;asciilifeform;mine also.
1851165;1537279249;asciilifeform;( i still have boxen with the old gnat, except for rk, where only ave1's gnat exists )
1851166;1537279442;mircea_popescu;i wonder where he keeps all this voice.
1851167;1537279522;mircea_popescu;diana_coman: to round this whole thing up: 2 days ago it seemed I had only the gnat.sockets/ thin layer option which wasn't fit for purpose; now I have 2 more options: << it's been an epic few days! (what happened ?)
1851168;1537279575;mircea_popescu;and of course, how could one forget to quote the wisdom of the ages : http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-23#1789029
1851169;1537279575;a111;Logged on 2018-03-23 04:14 douchebag: Okay, why do you guys liek arguing so much? Is this why you guys don't get anything done?
1851170;1537279589;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'партия сказала -- надо!, комсомол ответил -- есть!'(tm)(r)
1851171;1537279602;diana_coman;I guess what happened is that deedbot gave a lot of voice!!
1851172;1537279627;diana_coman;asciilifeform, ahahaha, fits
1851173;1537279642;mircea_popescu; надо << NADA!!!
1851174;1537279648;asciilifeform;lol
1851175;1537279891;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-18#1851102 << this is such, SUCH terribly bad practice, srsly now. scope the fucking memory handling, so both ends always happen in the same context. either the caller allocates and then also deallocates, diana_coman style, or else the callee allocates and deallocates. none of this insane scope bridging jesus christ.
1851176;1537279891;a111;Logged on 2018-09-18 13:05 diana_coman: for completeness, version 3. GNAT.Sockets.Thin that is an Ada wrapper on C system calls containing however questionable approaches (e.g. returning access to String so effectively a pointer but worse than this: allocating memory on the heap and leaving the de-alloc to the caller...)
1851177;1537279917;mircea_popescu;who even does this. in c of all things, what, is it a death wish that can't be otherwise expressed ?
1851178;1537279925;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: better still, no allocations, period. ( as in my item )
1851179;1537279947;asciilifeform;100% stack-powered, fixed space.
1851180;1537279948;mircea_popescu;if at all possibru.
1851181;1537279988;mircea_popescu;come to think of it, if large bulks of memory have to cross call boundries, something ELSE is almost certainly fucking broken
1851182;1537280024;mircea_popescu;and no "my design, in being inexistent, therefore can not be broken" doesn't work for ideal objects. THESE can be both absent and broken, pandora's blessing.
1851183;1537280065;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it astonished me how folx were able to so elaborately break such a simple thing.
1851184;1537280109;asciilifeform;( srsly there is no reason for a udptron to allocate anyffing whatsoever , much less to return pointers )
1851185;1537280297;asciilifeform;btw mircea_popescu , my article is pretty short, should nao be possible to answer the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-17#1850792 q mircea_popescu posed.
1851186;1537280297;a111;Logged on 2018-09-17 13:44 asciilifeform: i'ma disagree that '~same' , but this will only be possible to explain once mine's posted.
1851187;1537280346;mircea_popescu;it's obviously enough how laughable monstrosities like http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-02#1846790 were even produced in the first place. "why does this thing leak more kb/s than an old style modem ?" "because we do all the memory handling inside a live octopus"
1851188;1537280346;a111;Logged on 2018-09-02 02:04 mircea_popescu: well ? how EXACTLY did the entire "torzilla development community" spring up ? what the fuck is a lindsey kuper ?
1851189;1537280692;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-18#1851118 << for crypto applications it actually is better.
1851190;1537280692;a111;Logged on 2018-09-18 13:17 diana_coman: as I was saying earlier: atm the fixed packet length might clash a bit with what I need but it's not even fully clear it's not *better* to have a fixed packet length anyway
1851191;1537280762;mircea_popescu;moreover, it's not clear to me that varying the packet size AND the packet count rather than just the packet count is a wise move. it's not clear to me what it buys, especially considering there's externalities (udp packets under a certain size travel better than over ; this for technical reasons unrelated to other considerations).
1851192;1537280772;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i wrote the item originally for gossipd experimentations. udp gives a max practical packet length ( what it is , remains to be determined ) and if given proggy's protocol needs variably-sized ones, you can pad with rng.
1851193;1537280827;mircea_popescu;what it is is certainly <1kb say. wasting the occasional portion of a kb is not so unlike wasting the occasional portion of a 64 bit register to represent a boolean value.
1851194;1537280837;asciilifeform;correct
1851195;1537280859;mircea_popescu;people finally wised up to the fact it's insane to bitflip a single variable into the ground "to save space". i suspect ~same realisation i nthe wings re udp
1851196;1537280895;asciilifeform;yer nic already sends ~1kb frames, regardless of what os does
1851197;1537280907;mircea_popescu;right.
1851198;1537280924;mircea_popescu;talk about tower of insanity, btw. THAT.
1851199;1537280950;asciilifeform;it's a pretty tall tower, yes
1851200;1537281066;*;asciilifeform will bbl, teatime
1851201;1537281194;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-18#1851125 << incidentally, we very much want to do this. diana_coman mind setting up a large testing harness, send a soup of all packets lengths from 1 to 65536 bytes each hour back and forth for a week or two ?
1851202;1537281194;a111;Logged on 2018-09-18 13:19 asciilifeform: can freely experiment, simply turn the knob ( dun forget to turn it on both ends.. )
1851203;1537281427;mircea_popescu;(by soup i mean, don't send them in order of size, but in some random order each hour)
1851204;1537281712;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-18#1851153 << not entirely dead, still gotta do the init dance.
1851205;1537281712;a111;Logged on 2018-09-18 13:40 asciilifeform: you'd need something like a dead iron nic.
1851206;1537281948;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-18#1851155 << speaking of which, what's our next step here ? 1. wanna do cpu timing/load comparisons on the two libs ? 2. say that given the nature of the task (many different folk are expected to implement clients on various platforms) thin c is better than straight asm because more widely spoken and also presumably more portable/less friable ? 3. something else ?
1851207;1537281948;a111;Logged on 2018-09-18 13:46 diana_coman: it's not fully clear to me if it's something needed /desired atm; at any rate, compared to where I was 2 days ago, it's great - all of a sudden it went from "need to do this from scratch, ugh" to "there are 2 republican libs with 2 approaches, which one fits best my needs?" ; I'm rather delighted to be honest
1851208;1537282110;mircea_popescu;incidentally ave1 what was your process there ? did you compile a higher language original (what, c ?) and then desasm the resulting object code ? followed by a handpass through the result, neating & trimming things out ? or did you start with a blank page and a legal pad ?
1851209;1537284037;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i suspect that he followed same method as described in his http://ave1.org/2018/gnat-zero-foot-print-take-2-no-c item ( which i suggested a long time ago ), simply take the calls & translate by hand into the linux abi convention
1851210;1537284057;mircea_popescu;possibru
1851211;1537284090;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-29#1791027 << thread.
1851212;1537284090;a111;Logged on 2018-03-29 19:01 asciilifeform: ave1: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/F0CTl/?raw=true << demo.asm ;   http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/7Q0AV/?raw=true << Makefile
1851213;1537284107;asciilifeform;( specifically re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-29#1791028 )
1851214;1537284107;a111;Logged on 2018-03-29 19:02 asciilifeform: ave1: illustrated is the use of stack frame to get cmdline args; and the use of raw SYSCALL to , e.g., get file size, open it, mmap over it, then dump its contents to stdout, then close, quit
1851215;1537284167;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-18#1851201 << this would be a very interesting experiment. keep in mind that the result is heavily path-dependent tho
1851216;1537284167;a111;Logged on 2018-09-18 14:33 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-18#1851125 << incidentally, we very much want to do this. diana_coman mind setting up a large testing harness, send a soup of all packets lengths from 1 to 65536 bytes each hour back and forth for a week or two ?
1851217;1537284184;asciilifeform;( some routers will frag & reassemble 'obese' packets, others -- drop )
1851218;1537284188;mircea_popescu;gotta start with a path
1851219;1537284214;mircea_popescu;seems uy to uk as fine as can be had, that's what, 3 intercons.
1851220;1537284238;asciilifeform;lol except for where it'll go through nyc.nsa..
1851221;1537284292;asciilifeform;but yes i expect will find out, who frags, who not, who mutilates.
1851222;1537284332;asciilifeform;( btw the standard reassembly method is quite braindamaged, those folx never apparently heard of e.g. luby )
1851223;1537284379;asciilifeform;my orig application called for 'no frag', given as already luby, so why also have ??? in the mix ruining the impedance match
1851224;1537284691;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at the lulzfarm, "What do you need to know about me? I'm one hell of a kind. Seriously. You might like me or not, but you'll surely not find anyone as annoying/amazing as me. I consider myself a "mystic scientist" because, what is the supernatural world but unknown knowledge? I'm an engineer, a painter, a thinker, a bookworm, a weirdo, a kinkster, a traveler, a constant horny sensualist."
1851225;1537284726;asciilifeform;one day the perl script that generates these, lol, will leak out..
1851226;1537284728;mircea_popescu;27yo male. that you will not find anymore as X as. because this is now a thing, 20somethings are distinguishable in that absolute sense.
1851227;1537284764;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile in better America the trucks carting around propaganda speakers are increasing their activity
1851228;1537284765;asciilifeform;i expect it'll look like those nigerian dear|sir|madam|colleague, please consider out snakeoil|cockring|cockcage ...' items mircea_popescu collected
1851229;1537284801;mircea_popescu;it's not like, generation is like dropping balls, with there being a coupla boxes at the age of 0, and maybe a dozen boxes by age 6, and at MOST fifty or so boxes by age 25. and so by the law of large fucking numbers, every single fucking 25yo out there is in a class with at best MILLIONS of other, perfectly equal and entirely interchangeable balls.
1851230;1537284856;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i also suspect that distinguishable folx , where they exist, are occupied with sumthing other than prattling re how supposedly distinguishable they are..
1851231;1537284856;mircea_popescu;more than half of them are in a box with a cardinal in nine or ten digits!
1851232;1537284863;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-18#1851224 << So he's saying he can't get his nut off anymore
1851233;1537284863;a111;Logged on 2018-09-18 15:31 mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the lulzfarm, "What do you need to know about me? I'm one hell of a kind. Seriously. You might like me or not, but you'll surely not find anyone as annoying/amazing as me. I consider myself a "mystic scientist" because, what is the supernatural world but unknown knowledge? I'm an engineer, a painter, a thinker, a bookworm, a weirdo, a kinkster, a traveler, a constant horny sensualist."
1851234;1537284884;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo is this some "threaded cock" joke ?
1851235;1537284897;asciilifeform;( evidently not errybody got the 'spartan speaks with his sword' memo )
1851236;1537284915;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform he's a penis captive in a mouth body!
1851237;1537284923;mircea_popescu;buddy*
1851238;1537284926;asciilifeform;lol!
1851239;1537284932;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Trope of the last decade, the weirdos go deeper and deeper into weirdo porn and dysfunction their sex
1851240;1537284962;BingoBoingo;Nothing stimulates them to completion anymore. Hence the "sensualist" title the perl script offered
1851241;1537284980;mircea_popescu;this is true innit. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-25#1818559 sword cuts many many ways, most of which... not so useful.
1851242;1537284980;a111;Logged on 2018-05-25 04:38 mircea_popescu: now back to fake homosexuality : human sexuality is a learned behaviour. proper homosexuality is an inability to learn, akin to dyslexia or lefthandedness. fake homosexuality is the exact contrary, a lot of "what if"ism and "provemewrong"ism and so on. a social, rather than biological phenomenon.
1851243;1537285061;mircea_popescu;"Oh! Before you go, there you are: Floccinaucinihilipilification: The act or habit of describing or regarding something as unimportant, of having no value or being worthless. Doms around the world, might wanna include that one in your dirty talk when trying to be a fancy degrader. Didn't want you to leave without learning something new ;) got extra points if you actually read the whole word." << dude's seriously off in his ow
1851244;1537285061;mircea_popescu;n world, where he's like smart and in control and shit. what fucking perl script, one needs wetware for this much self-referential lulz.
1851245;1537285116;asciilifeform;sounds like garden variety redditus
1851246;1537285149;mircea_popescu;nooo ?
1851247;1537285150;asciilifeform;y'know, the kind for whom 'deep b00k' is '9000 phun phakts by time magazine', 'ted talk', etc
1851248;1537285182;mircea_popescu;i have one word for you, alfie
1851249;1537285187;mircea_popescu;and that word is of course "floccinaucinihilipilification".
1851250;1537285230;asciilifeform;lol
1851251;1537285241;BingoBoingo;Sounds like what happens when you pack hot anthrax tight in a hair fillicle
1851252;1537285258;asciilifeform;gotta consult 'mystic scientist' !111
1851253;1537285274;mircea_popescu;sounds like what happens when you teach ustards the letters and no more. sooner or later they'll find an old translation of a greek thesaurus and start mixymatching it up.
1851254;1537285310;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this flavour of thing is actually a 1980s meme, is what passed for lolcats in those days
1851255;1537285335;mircea_popescu;this is specifically eton coinage.
1851256;1537285344;*;asciilifeform saw any number of 'phun phakts' 'toilet reading' tomes in dusty shops, from the period, literally full of 'today's word, refers to act of fucking railroad carriages, is...'
1851257;1537285368;mircea_popescu;i expect he's aware, seeing how notwithstanding he and some chicks (married to other dudes) he lists are in "antactica", the extended network of "play partners" etc eventually points to edinburgh.
1851258;1537285418;mircea_popescu;which may be the only place in the world still possessed of kids who think http://trilema.com/2011/romanul-si-marea/ 'ing footnotes of eton obscura is liek gold.
1851259;1537285436;asciilifeform;cloink, goes the roman mosaic, creak goes the oxcart.
1851260;1537285444;mircea_popescu;sensualism!
1851261;1537285473;mircea_popescu;"as long as the fridge works, why do i need to understand adiabatic cycles! MYSTICAL SCIENTISM CLINTON FOR THE WIN!"
1851262;1537285528;asciilifeform;personally i find the plebez with 0 pretense to 'understand' anyffing, slightly less offensively stupid ( rather like dried shit is less offensive than fresh ) but possibly just me.
1851263;1537285546;mircea_popescu;i can't quite manage to find 20something dicklets offensive anymore.
1851264;1537285570;asciilifeform;mebbe i'm thick, but why even bother to read the male tards
1851265;1537285585;mircea_popescu;i spenta while trying, but the sad truth about impotence is that sooner or later one has to come to terms with the facts of the matter. i just... can't.
1851266;1537285644;*;asciilifeform sings old folksong, where '...and the first, first, constipated man, was cain, he wasn't... abel'
1851267;1537285650;mircea_popescu;hahaha
1851268;1537285824;diana_coman;http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-9-18#431515 -> what data do we want to log from this?
1851269;1537285825;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-09-18 14:08 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-18#1851125 << incidentally, we very much want to do this. diana_coman mind setting up a large testing harness, send a soup of all packets lengths from 1 to 65536 bytes each hour back and forth for a week or two ?
1851270;1537285878;mircea_popescu;delta time and packet loss, i think.
1851271;1537285882;asciilifeform;diana_coman: at the very minimum, survival rate, and latency. ( could also try to measure reorderiness, but immediately obvious how )
1851272;1537285890;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu has it
1851273;1537285899;mircea_popescu;i do not think we want more moving parts than those two
1851274;1537285900;asciilifeform;*not immediately
1851275;1537285954;mircea_popescu;it'll passively show network congestion too i think, because of the hourlies.
1851276;1537285973;mircea_popescu;which may permit further 2nd pass data processing. but that -- open to reader.
1851277;1537285979;diana_coman;http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-9-18#431566 -> I'm thinking of 2 there ; asciilifeform's lib also provides I think a good interface - I don't see any reason why one couldn't just change /swap the underlying .c file with ada or asm at a later date without having to change otherwise anything of whatever one builds on top of the lib (i.e. relying on the lib's interface)
1851278;1537285980;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-09-18 14:20 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-18#1851155 << speaking of which, what's our next step here ? 1. wanna do cpu timing/load comparisons on the two libs ? 2. say that given the nature of the task (many different folk are expected to implement clients on various platforms) thin c is better than straight asm because more widely spoken and also presumably more portable/less friable ? 3. somethi
1851279;1537285991;asciilifeform;troo congestion begins when you start to overload yer local box/lan
1851280;1537285992;asciilifeform;but yes
1851281;1537286021;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i'm not married to the c glue, and it'll eventually go. i am quite fond of my api tho, it completely rids user of having to think in unixisms , imho
1851282;1537286039;mircea_popescu;diana_coman i can see it.
1851283;1537286046;diana_coman;asciilifeform, precisely my point, right?
1851284;1537286049;asciilifeform;aha
1851285;1537286062;mircea_popescu;ave1 i very much hope you don't think your own work is a waste for this reason.
1851286;1537286074;asciilifeform;btw if anybody can think of how to further simplify the api, asciilifeform is all ears
1851287;1537286075;diana_coman;it's certainly NOT a waste!
1851288;1537286085;mircea_popescu;right.
1851289;1537286102;asciilifeform;asciilifeform incidentally much appreciates ave1's work, when i remove the c glue i'ma just about certainly crib from his asm glue
1851290;1537286107;asciilifeform;( supposing he doesn't get to it 1st )
1851291;1537286131;diana_coman;and I actually think it is a step in the right direction since it gets rid of C
1851292;1537286161;asciilifeform;diana_coman: libc, specifically ( i like musl, but it doesn't belong on the fyootoor all-adatronic box )
1851293;1537286183;asciilifeform;ultimately we'll have asmolade that simply drives the nic directly.
1851294;1537286198;phf;asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=udp and http://btcbase.org/patches/udp_genesis
1851295;1537286198;lobbesbot;phf: Sent 12 hours and 56 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> plox to snarf vpatch in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2557 , ty
1851296;1537286204;asciilifeform;ty phf !
1851297;1537286222;diana_coman;heh, asciilifeform has it: the way I see it, ave1's work will come in very handy at a later date when we can get rid of more of the C mess
1851298;1537286240;mod6;pretty cool
1851299;1537286244;mircea_popescu;yep.
1851300;1537286279;asciilifeform;the only part that'd change , for this, is what's in unix_udp.c ( 139 ln. )
1851301;1537286415;asciilifeform;diana_coman, mircea_popescu : i thought about including timeout in 'procedure Receive...' but sat and thought and could not think of why , so omitted.
1851302;1537286445;asciilifeform;( unix gives this option, but it is of questionable imho use if you have working threading )
1851303;1537286469;mircea_popescu;ada threading still seems as promising as it did weeks ago. few things survive this long lol
1851304;1537286483;asciilifeform;fwiw in my own experiments, it worx as expected.
1851305;1537286503;asciilifeform;but i haven't tried erry possible os, conceivably it breaks on microshit or somesuch.
1851306;1537286515;diana_coman;fwiw, I'm also quite grateful that ave1 published it now - it pointed me to ada inline assembler (I hadn't really looked at it before!) and it gives me some time to hopefully get a bit more used to it *before* I'll need it anyway
1851307;1537286519;mircea_popescu;anyway, i shall bbl!
1851308;1537286530;asciilifeform;( ada uses 'green' threading, rather than os's, but iirc the os threads are involved ultimately )
1851309;1537286587;asciilifeform;diana_coman: there'll be no getting away from inline asm once we start planting things on naked iron.
1851310;1537286624;diana_coman;asciilifeform, the timeout was the only one I hesitated on too (and the only one I'm using in the original test for that matter) but precisely like you, when I thought of it, I came up with "well, threading should be enough anyway " and uhm, no reason why it's *needed* there
1851311;1537286642;asciilifeform;( gnat's asm support is not particularly different from ye olde gcc's, only syntax slightly variant -- unsurprising, considering that same backend is used )
1851312;1537286700;asciilifeform;diana_coman: somewhere i also have glue for unix signals support, so proggy can do the Right Thing when you ctrl-c, or kill, etc. but this i'll dust off later (or if somebody has a dire need)
1851313;1537286777;diana_coman;anyways, rounding up, it seems my next step here is to 1. set up the testing harness http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-9-18#431515 2. put asciilifeform's lib to use in smg.comms
1851314;1537286778;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-09-18 14:08 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-18#1851125 << incidentally, we very much want to do this. diana_coman mind setting up a large testing harness, send a soup of all packets lengths from 1 to 65536 bytes each hour back and forth for a week or two ?
1851315;1537286801;asciilifeform;as for tcp, unixsockets, etc. imho if we ever need these, they oughta live in own separate lib, given as they force somewhat different and gnarlier semantics, they do not belong in 1 gigantic 'kitchen sink' imho
1851316;1537286814;diana_coman;quite
1851317;1537286903;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/09/israeli-aggression-in-syria-downs-russian-plane-with-15-aboard/ << Qntra - Israeli Aggression In Syria Downs Russian Plane With 15 Aboard
1851318;1537286933;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: s/plan/plane
1851319;1537286958;BingoBoingo;ty fxd
1851320;1537287368;asciilifeform;diana_coman, mircea_popescu : nobody noticed, but it is troo -- i forgot to close the socket in the demo ( this has 0 effect, os closes ). but in next rev will correct this.
1851321;1537287399;asciilifeform;( i think there's also at least 1 typo in the comments )
1851322;1537287479;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/patches/udp_genesis#L298 also may produce string with spurious trailing whitespace, prolly oughta fix
1851323;1537287611;asciilifeform;there's also a missing restrict pragma in the lib, pragma Restrictions(No_Implicit_Conditionals) , took it out during dev (when experimented with to-string sans-callout ) and forgot to reinsert
1851324;1537287624;asciilifeform;that rounds out the list of errata currently known, i think
1851325;1537287782;asciilifeform;diana_coman: last (for nao) observation -- 1) it is possible to make the thing 'fancier' in 2 ways -- can make Socket a 'controlled type' ( as i did in mmap, see http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850368 ) , then it can close itself when going out of scope. i did not do this, as it adds a bit of overhead  2) it is possible to make the lib a 'generic' ( again see horsecocks re how ) , and make udptrons of different packet length runti
1851326;1537287782;a111;Logged on 2018-09-14 13:35 a111: Logged on 2017-06-06 19:40 asciilifeform: mod6, phf , et al : http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/ada/horsecocks.tar.gz << i dun recall posting this before, so here it will live, for nao : unofficial release of mmaptron
1851327;1537287782;asciilifeform;me-instantiable. you may want this for your tester.
1851328;1537287822;asciilifeform;the current item offers no way of adjusting packet size at runtime.
1851329;1537289298;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2557 << revised with moar detail for n00bz.
1851330;1537289545;lobbes;TMSR~: Updated auctionbot eta 'steps to fruition' to be a little more reflective of my current state >> http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/07/auctionbot-eta-and-status-report/
1851331;1537289549;lobbes;Detailed update on step 3) referenced within: I have finished designing/building out/testing the underlying table and field structure (I ended up migrating the underlying db to postgres in lieu of sqlite, and so far am glad I did). Right now I am in the thick of the re-tooling of my old coad. Still looks to be on-track for Oct 31st delivery, but I will keep folx updated
1851332;1537293654;ave1;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-18#1851208, asciilifeform was right. I used the list of system calls and read the man pages and some linux kernel code. (I've worked with the whole BSD sockets stuff for way too long but not so much directly with it in the past 10 years or so, and it has grown wraths...). Plus figuring out how to do system calls with more than 3 parameters took some work (was not hard but in relation with inline assembly made it difficult).
1851333;1537293654;a111;Logged on 2018-09-18 14:48 mircea_popescu: incidentally ave1 what was your process there ? did you compile a higher language original (what, c ?) and then desasm the resulting object code ? followed by a handpass through the result, neating & trimming things out ? or did you start with a blank page and a legal pad ?
1851334;1537293790;ave1;I was working towards having different modules on top of a common base to support tcp / unix sockets etc. but I think your idea is way better, asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-18#1851315
1851335;1537293790;a111;Logged on 2018-09-18 16:06 asciilifeform: as for tcp, unixsockets, etc. imho if we ever need these, they oughta live in own separate lib, given as they force somewhat different and gnarlier semantics, they do not belong in 1 gigantic 'kitchen sink' imho
1851336;1537293893;ave1;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-18#1851285, no I do not. I was thinking I could add the asm stuff to asciilifeforms UDP code in a vpatch, if this would be at all desirable.
1851337;1537293893;a111;Logged on 2018-09-18 15:54 mircea_popescu: ave1 i very much hope you don't think your own work is a waste for this reason.
1851338;1537293933;asciilifeform;ave1: definitely desirable, imho
1851339;1537293955;asciilifeform;and there's a quite convenient place to put.
1851340;1537293990;ave1;Yes, around the point were the outcalls to C are?
1851341;1537293998;asciilifeform;exactly there
1851342;1537294063;ave1;My current method to support different platforms (C, asm X86, asm arm) is to have implementations of the same module in different source directories and then selecting the directory to use in the project file.
1851343;1537294076;asciilifeform;ave1: this is the method i recommend , yes
1851344;1537294077;ave1;AdaCore has python scripts that copy stuff for this.
1851345;1537294084;asciilifeform;( see the 'ifdefs thread' )
1851346;1537294097;asciilifeform;ave1: i'd rather not marry python if at all possible to avoid
1851347;1537294101;ave1;Yes, I remember
1851348;1537294105;asciilifeform;imho the preferred method of branching is -- vtronic
1851349;1537294119;asciilifeform;'this-here is what you press to get dec alpha', 'this-here - mips' , etc
1851350;1537294132;ave1;Yes, depending on python is definitely not the way to go
1851351;1537294155;asciilifeform;afaik none of this requires any additional fancy tooling
1851352;1537294158;ave1;I don't know about the different v-trees for this, I'll have to think about it
1851353;1537294189;asciilifeform;for a correctly-written proggy, v-branching is clean, you can make patch that only affects os-specific coad
1851354;1537294364;asciilifeform;ave1: i am also not opposed to using gprbuild's selector thing
1851355;1537294400;asciilifeform;but would rather avoid an ocean of os-specific items that i'm expected to sign despite never having tested and possibly not even owning the iron with which to test ( again see the #ifdef megathread )
1851356;1537294433;ave1;well if the ocean is in a different file it will also no end up in the tree (only in those patches containing the file)
1851357;1537294446;asciilifeform;if using the trees separation method, yes
1851358;1537294462;asciilifeform;was speaking of the gprbuild selector variant.
1851359;1537294675;ave1;how would this interact with manifests? it seems to me to need regrinds when the base code has changed
1851360;1537294703;asciilifeform;they will, yes. but i dun expect this one to change much at all.
1851361;1537294741;asciilifeform;this is the inevitable cost of v, you gotta weigh 'i can fix this typo, but 5 people will need to either regrind or abandon my tree'
1851362;1537294939;asciilifeform;this is the other thing, 'changes are expensive' promote imho a sane view of software, where you actually try to perma-stabilize yer proggy, rather than to keep up the classic 'open sores' eternal cauldron of bubbling liquishit
1851363;1537294991;asciilifeform;if yer thing is 'young' and in flux, it's likely to be a single-author straight-line tree at any rate
1851364;1537295020;asciilifeform;( can have side-branches, but they'll be short, you'll either grind'em into the main, or not )
1851365;1537296557;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/patches/udp_genesis#L363 << moar errata, thing should eggog if bytes_sent != payloadlen
1851366;1537296582;asciilifeform;i'ma bake another patch later this wk, unless somebody else does first.
1851367;1537313009;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-18#1851313 << yes.
1851368;1537313009;a111;Logged on 2018-09-18 16:06 diana_coman: anyways, rounding up, it seems my next step here is to 1. set up the testing harness http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-9-18#431515 2. put asciilifeform's lib to use in smg.comms
1851369;1537313009;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-09-18 14:08 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-18#1851125 << incidentally, we very much want to do this. diana_coman mind setting up a large testing harness, send a soup of all packets lengths from 1 to 65536 bytes each hour back and forth for a week or two ?
1851370;1537313216;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-18#1851317 << kinda lulzy, jews doing the best they can to alienate absolutely everybody.
1851371;1537313216;a111;Logged on 2018-09-18 16:08 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/09/israeli-aggression-in-syria-downs-russian-plane-with-15-aboard/ << Qntra - Israeli Aggression In Syria Downs Russian Plane With 15 Aboard
1851372;1537313280;mircea_popescu;when they bake again, it's gonna be "because the world is mean and CERTAINLY not because http://trilema.com/2013/the-dead-jew-and-the-raped-girl/ " again also, no doubt ?
1851373;1537313739;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-18#1851331 << this sounds like it was a most educational adventure.
1851374;1537313739;a111;Logged on 2018-09-18 16:52 lobbes: Detailed update on step 3) referenced within: I have finished designing/building out/testing the underlying table and field structure (I ended up migrating the underlying db to postgres in lieu of sqlite, and so far am glad I did). Right now I am in the thick of the re-tooling of my old coad. Still looks to be on-track for Oct 31st delivery, but I will keep folx updated
1851375;1537313931;mircea_popescu;ave1 it's warts you know, not warths nor wraths (though this one's quite funny).
1851376;1537314010;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lol, i assumed was typo from 'wraiths'
1851377;1537314037;mircea_popescu;sing ye beedog the anger of ave the viking upon encountering bsd sockets again.
1851378;1537314051;asciilifeform;lollamatic
1851379;1537314074;mircea_popescu;"they are now fulla ARRRRGGGGGHHHH!!!!11"
1851380;1537314111;asciilifeform;btw re http://ossasepia.com/2018/09/14/smgcomms-implementation-chapter-1/comment-page-1/#comment-4212 , observe that my proggy flips nuffin (aside from the ip/port that linux demands in bigend, and even then strictly when on littleendianistic box)
1851381;1537314151;asciilifeform;diana_coman ^
1851382;1537314193;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-18#1851334 << i also can't think of a thing that would legitimately need/want to use both tcp and udp as a toplevel thing.
1851383;1537314193;a111;Logged on 2018-09-18 18:03 ave1: I was working towards having different modules on top of a common base to support tcp / unix sockets etc. but I think your idea is way better, asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-18#1851315
1851384;1537314207;mircea_popescu;seems rather like a sort of html/irc browserclient.
1851385;1537314208;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: funnily enuff, the proggy for which i originally wrote the thing , was one
1851386;1537314219;asciilifeform;'g' , the tunnel-tcp-through-ciphered-udp thing
1851387;1537314219;mircea_popescu;what, gossipd ?
1851388;1537314237;mircea_popescu;imo that's a sort of herodotus bestiary item, web-footed whale.
1851389;1537314246;asciilifeform;not adult gossipd, was simply proggy that eats a symmetric key and gives tunnel for, e.g., www, ftp, telnet, etc
1851390;1537314253;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1851391;1537314290;asciilifeform;sorta ugly, and not released, kept 'fleet in being' in case we gotta jump off fleanode ahead of schedule ( there isn't imho esp. much use for it outside of this )
1851392;1537314307;asciilifeform;i cut off the tcpism, cleaned up, turned into 'udp' lib
1851393;1537314359;asciilifeform;tcp imho is fundamentally sad, not the least reason for which is that 'anybody' can break yer pipe
1851394;1537314377;asciilifeform;( by inserting a nAck, or simply timing it out, etc )
1851395;1537314397;asciilifeform;it also leaks sequence and other tidbits 3rdparty has 0biznis knowing
1851396;1537314442;asciilifeform;imho tcp , if preserved anywhere, oughta live as a lowered-into-pederasty item-only-carried-over-better-protocols or strictly-on-lan, like telnet.
1851397;1537314466;asciilifeform;( e.g. connecting trad irc client to gossiptron )
1851398;1537314569;mircea_popescu;fuck that ; trad irc client will connect in the manner lobbes is building atop trinque 's design. fucking sql queue, what.
1851399;1537314581;asciilifeform;you'd have to doctor it.
1851400;1537314592;mircea_popescu;and we almost like never ever do that.
1851401;1537314594;asciilifeform;( at which point writing new thing begins to look like a win )
1851402;1537314618;mircea_popescu;people don't want to rewrite "traditional X" because "traditional" is always a way of saying "gui". and nobody ever wants to redo that.
1851403;1537314622;asciilifeform;in asciilifeform's head, frontends are filed as 'luxury' at any rate
1851404;1537314624;mircea_popescu;nobody sane, i mean.
1851405;1537314627;asciilifeform;i.e. 'harem matter'
1851406;1537314634;asciilifeform;who wants fancy frontends, can write own.
1851407;1537314647;mircea_popescu;this being the emacs view on gui.
1851408;1537314656;asciilifeform;right
1851409;1537314658;mircea_popescu;or *ui in general.
1851410;1537314668;asciilifeform;i'm using an ancient gtk1 thing for irc on this box, and loathe to pry open its rusted hood
1851411;1537314673;asciilifeform;but eventually, even this.
1851412;1537314688;mircea_popescu;especially seeing how the hood is merely drawn on, and the actual box is inside one wheel.
1851413;1537314695;asciilifeform;lolyes
1851414;1537314765;asciilifeform;typically i'm reluctant to open the hood on things that aint broken, tho
1851415;1537314778;asciilifeform;and this is one of the few i know of
1851416;1537314830;asciilifeform;ftr i never grasped why irc is a tcp item to begin with. it aint as if the messages outweigh the available bucket.
1851417;1537314867;asciilifeform;ftp, i can see, telnet, but -- why this.
1851418;1537314903;mircea_popescu;originally irc of today was implemented by bbs and the irc was principally a sort of edonkey, basically conversations around warez metadata.
1851419;1537314926;asciilifeform;it's 100% of how asciilifeform used it before encountering mircea_popescu , yes
1851420;1537314929;mircea_popescu;dcc carried more ~meaningful~ discolored bits than anything else, though the later torrents far outweight it
1851421;1537314956;*;asciilifeform still has fat binder of these very same
1851422;1537314974;mircea_popescu;right, so. in a sense, what passes for irc here is actually an invention of here.
1851423;1537315014;asciilifeform;the protocol itself is a '80s thing tho, and (at least according to folk legend..) at one time was used ~likethis
1851424;1537315023;asciilifeform;the warez dcc was bolt-on
1851425;1537315043;mircea_popescu;yes, there is a brief nail of time where in finland irc was dating rather than bitwashery.
1851426;1537315061;mircea_popescu;but this is the wrong language for that discussion.
1851427;1537315068;asciilifeform;the finns are an interesting hero-to-zero case imho
1851428;1537315077;asciilifeform;recall penet ?
1851429;1537315080;mircea_popescu;diageo took over their alcohol.
1851430;1537315082;asciilifeform;and 'ftpsearch' etc
1851431;1537315121;asciilifeform;torvalds, supposedly, came from that dead culture.
1851432;1537315160;asciilifeform;they cranked out cracks for msdos warez, 'demos', all sorts of goodies
1851433;1537315191;mircea_popescu;yeah, that was the thing "northern democracies" pantsuit meme is trying to take to the hot topic cash register.
1851434;1537315196;asciilifeform;i have nfi how, but it all evaporated. and mircea_popescu's hypothesis as as good as any.
1851435;1537315218;mircea_popescu;at some point in the 80s, finland-sweden-norway-and-peripheralia were a kind of internet center.
1851436;1537315232;asciilifeform;for short time, they had a) functional people b) with time on their hands
1851437;1537315239;asciilifeform;sorta like early '90s su, for that matter
1851438;1537315242;asciilifeform;never lasts.
1851439;1537315252;mircea_popescu;nah, it was rather a sort of sane-moms-central.
1851440;1537315273;asciilifeform;certainly nao is ( currently under conversion to a sort of discount bagdad, as i understand )
1851441;1537315294;asciilifeform;ah i misread
1851442;1537315310;asciilifeform;sanemoms of ~that~ gen, yes
1851443;1537315319;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1851444;1537315349;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-18#1851352 << what's the impediment though ?
1851445;1537315349;a111;Logged on 2018-09-18 18:09 ave1: I don't know about the different v-trees for this, I'll have to think about it
1851446;1537315381;asciilifeform;funnily enuff, as recently as '16 we briefly had a finn here, helped me ferret out the amd key thing, but went back into the allconsuming swamp, never heard from again
1851447;1537315405;asciilifeform;!#seen kmalkki
1851448;1537315405;a111;2016-10-15 <kmalkki> apu1 also really needs DBREQn asserted to give access to USEHDT IR/DR pair
1851449;1537315413;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-18#1851358 << imo this is a very stupid way to go about it ; first and foremost for the reason given (why am i signing ifdefs i do not run) but there's also others.
1851450;1537315413;a111;Logged on 2018-09-18 18:14 asciilifeform: was speaking of the gprbuild selector variant.
1851451;1537315424;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: right, i dunlikeit
1851452;1537315438;asciilifeform;it's exactly 'ifdefism'
1851453;1537315468;asciilifeform;currently i only use it to toggle debugflag vs adult build, and that's prolly the beginning and end of the valid use case imho
1851454;1537315506;mircea_popescu;i dun see a problem with that bit, either.
1851455;1537315531;asciilifeform;gprbuild is spiffy, incidentally. i dun miss gnumake at all.
1851456;1537315544;asciilifeform;automagically finds the c turd, for instance.
1851457;1537315561;asciilifeform;(without explicitly given name). and the rest.
1851458;1537315564;mircea_popescu;i think there's three previous instances on the whole net of "i dun miss gnumake"
1851459;1537315575;asciilifeform;iirc most recently diana_coman's
1851460;1537315603;mircea_popescu;it's kinda mindboggling to me, how readily that seeming tooth-rooted-in-yggdrasil got removed.
1851461;1537315606;mircea_popescu;also -- informative.
1851462;1537315634;asciilifeform;prior to all of this i had gargantuan makefiles, that called out to various shellisms that turned out to flake on e.g. bsd
1851463;1537315639;mircea_popescu;EVERYONE
1851464;1537315656;asciilifeform;( trb still has )
1851465;1537315669;mircea_popescu;the orcs still do, everywhere.
1851466;1537315715;asciilifeform;btw one of the items i have in the deep freezers, is a trb with block db ripped out, replaced with (half-finished, sadly) ada mmap thing
1851467;1537315720;mircea_popescu;well, where they still c, which is rapidly dwindling (no doubt for this reason -- and batshit insane nonsense like "containers" and "rubies" and whatnot verymuch have their roots in we-were-born-in-gnusty-makefiles-taste-ok"
1851468;1537315748;asciilifeform;ah ~these~ , they dun even use gnumake, they use various heathen horrors, 'modern', 'cmake' etc
1851469;1537315761;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-18#1851361 << what ?!
1851470;1537315761;a111;Logged on 2018-09-18 18:19 asciilifeform: this is the inevitable cost of v, you gotta weigh 'i can fix this typo, but 5 people will need to either regrind or abandon my tree'
1851471;1537315797;mircea_popescu;the 5 don't have to regrind anymore than you do, can just import the patch.
1851472;1537315810;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: subj was specifically the cases where regrind.
1851473;1537315815;mircea_popescu;or you mean "regrind the patch" ? usually regrind means you know, the whole tree.
1851474;1537315825;asciilifeform;nah, patch, in $thread
1851475;1537315847;asciilifeform;ave1 was asking re scenario where 'say i make pdp11.c for yer lib, and you changed the ada trunk, naowat'
1851476;1537315850;mircea_popescu;well so of course if upstream fixes something, downstream will have to either import or lose out. this can't be different nor is in any known system.
1851477;1537315865;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the heathens make a pretense that 'dun have to, automerge' etc
1851478;1537315867;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nao you add my changes to your line
1851479;1537315872;asciilifeform;right
1851480;1537315879;asciilifeform;imho this is the Right Thing.
1851481;1537315886;mircea_popescu;which is how you even pay back the upstream
1851482;1537315894;mircea_popescu;this way i fucking hear if my typo is typo'd.
1851483;1537315910;asciilifeform;entirely. this is one of the 9000 ways in which vtronics wins.
1851484;1537315913;mircea_popescu;"if my typo fix contains a typo" i mean
1851485;1537316003;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-18#1851362 << yes! this BingoBoingoian "movement for the sake of movement" thing they do... it is not for white people.
1851486;1537316003;a111;Logged on 2018-09-18 18:22 asciilifeform: this is the other thing, 'changes are expensive' promote imho a sane view of software, where you actually try to perma-stabilize yer proggy, rather than to keep up the classic 'open sores' eternal cauldron of bubbling liquishit
1851487;1537316026;asciilifeform;insect movement.
1851488;1537316048;mircea_popescu;http://bingology.net/2016/01/24/the-theoretical-foundation-of-social-engineering-practice/#selection-179.140-179.253 << megapiece btw.
1851489;1537316056;asciilifeform;btw how do i say копошиться in ro
1851490;1537316074;asciilifeform;y'know, specific term for how insects, rodents, scuttle about in-place
1851491;1537316095;mircea_popescu;pululatie!
1851492;1537316106;asciilifeform;ha , has a pigeon flavour about it
1851493;1537316131;asciilifeform;even exists, sorta , in eng, 'pullulation'
1851494;1537316139;mircea_popescu;literally sounds like cognate of pula, dick. but is ancient latin. can also have viermuiala (wormization)
1851495;1537316153;asciilifeform;that 2nd one sounds on-target
1851496;1537316198;asciilifeform;incidentally, speaking of finns, there was a http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-20#570183 .
1851497;1537316198;a111;Logged on 2014-03-20 14:20 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'cum se suge pula' << can't help but associate this in my head with the finnish proverb, 'Pillu se on pulullakin'
1851498;1537316205;mircea_popescu;lol.
1851499;1537316213;mircea_popescu;o yeah, finns and romanians make great drunk parties.
1851500;1537316274;asciilifeform;in '90s asciilifeform idly dreamed of learning fn and going there. but meanwhile they sank.
1851501;1537316286;mircea_popescu;the girls are still pretty.
1851502;1537316300;asciilifeform;for another gen or 2, i'd imagine yes
1851503;1537316320;asciilifeform;(then prolly will all have mustache)
1851504;1537316341;mircea_popescu;lol you saw the pics with that obscure middle earth harem, all chicks with mustachios ?
1851505;1537316346;asciilifeform;nein
1851506;1537316350;asciilifeform;where was this
1851507;1537316376;mircea_popescu;http://www.xubux.com/articles/nasseredin-shah-and-his-84-wives.html
1851508;1537316380;mircea_popescu;those, they are female.
1851509;1537316418;asciilifeform;ha
1851510;1537316433;asciilifeform;even notes, 'The harem inmates did not suffer of thinness.'
1851511;1537316454;asciilifeform;http://www.xubux.com/upload/000/u1/013/4781adf0.jpg << i def saw this, in a b00k, must be
1851512;1537316456;asciilifeform;famous shot
1851513;1537316469;asciilifeform;'face to push locomotive' or how did the ro folx put this.
1851514;1537316484;mod6;lol, i remember these, that one lady looks like Jay Leno.
1851515;1537316499;mircea_popescu;lol
1851516;1537316512;mod6;(lady with hookah)
1851517;1537316513;mircea_popescu;"complete women"
1851518;1537316525;asciilifeform;i have nfi how this passed 'qa' for 'harem'. but i suppose 'in the great birdlessness, my arse is a nightingale'
1851519;1537316527;mircea_popescu;ie, unibrows, moustaches, bellybutton lint, you know, the COMPLETE
1851520;1537316539;mircea_popescu;nah, there is actual philosophical underlying.
1851521;1537316571;asciilifeform;or possib this was one of those degenerate harems that morphed into a sort of harvard, i.e. institution that popped its tether to whatever original ground it stood on
1851522;1537316580;asciilifeform;like osman harem
1851523;1537316665;asciilifeform;it is difficult imho to picture a d00d with working cock having been involved in the auditions for this harem.
1851524;1537316700;asciilifeform;( maybe they were picked for toe-suckling amplitude..? )
1851525;1537316872;*;asciilifeform bbl,food
1851526;1537318227;mircea_popescu;osmanli harems were populated by the valide sultan, ie, mother of guy.
1851527;1537318835;Mocky;where's a niqab when you need one
1851528;1537319336;Mocky;got my flight booked. will be on layover at heathrow for 15hrs on oct 8th
1851529;1537319411;deedbot;http://thewhet.net/2018/09/the-appropriately-proportioned-ballad-of-chimichurri/ << The Whet - The (appropriately-proportioned) Ballad of Chimichurri
1851530;1537322533;mircea_popescu;Mocky why the hell would anyone do that to themselves.
1851531;1537322539;mircea_popescu;hanbot hahaha excellent shots!
1851532;1537322622;Mocky;it was that or pay fiddy buks more for 12 hrs layover in turkey. turkey wasn't gonna let me out of the airport tho
1851533;1537322853;BingoBoingo;hanbot: Nice bird
1851534;1537322862;Mocky;never been to London before, but from what i hear, can practice my arabic with half the population
1851535;1537322996;BingoBoingo;<Mocky> got my flight booked. will be on layover at heathrow for 15hrs on oct 8th << I don't feel so bad about the 45 minutes I ended up with in Panama now
1851536;1537323031;Mocky;on the way back I'll have 3 hrs in madrid and 3 in miami
1851537;1537323096;Mocky;tried to stretch it out in madrid long enough to look around but couldn't make it work
1851538;1537325522;asciilifeform;Mocky: way back ? i thought yours was a 1way
1851539;1537325610;Mocky;60 days to make something happen >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-01#1846611
1851540;1537325610;a111;Logged on 2018-09-01 17:06 mircea_popescu: i figure... you get what 2 ? 3 ? months there until the first save point, see if it can be done or can't be done ?
1851541;1537325625;asciilifeform;aaa
1851542;1537325695;Mocky;i'm a noob to international travel, but the whole exit visa thing seems super sketchy to me
1851543;1537325719;asciilifeform;this gotta be on the arabian end, afaik usa not (yet) has sucha thing
1851544;1537325776;asciilifeform;it's a pretty good proxy for 'is this place northkr yet'
1851545;1537325794;asciilifeform;sorta the last notch on the dial
1851546;1537325839;Mocky;yes, doesn't apply to visa on arrival which i'll be using. but if i want to stay past 60 days need some sort of business sponsor or hotel sponsor. and if use sponsor, their failure to file paperwork will prevent you from leaving
1851547;1537325862;Mocky;or if bank says you owe a dime, can't leave. no time limit
1851548;1537325884;asciilifeform;interesting. do they also have a gulag where you work off said dime ?
1851549;1537325929;asciilifeform;iirc dubai has this system, it is used to keep the indian janitors from jumping ship
1851550;1537325939;asciilifeform;( they have articles of indenture and such )
1851551;1537325968;Mocky;seems like whole service industry is such a gulag for 1) indians 2) pakis 3) filipinos
1851552;1537326020;Mocky;they make about >75% of population
1851553;1537326027;asciilifeform;aa, nobody gets out till they mop the requisite # of floors to pay back their master for shipping'em in , a la dubai, then
1851554;1537326284;asciilifeform;they have similar thing for mexicans in usa, but 100% unofficial, orcish, under the table
1851555;1537326324;asciilifeform;iirc they dun bother with workhouses for defaulters, tho, straight to cement boots
1851556;1537326699;Mocky;construction workers for their 2022 world cup stadii firmly in gulag, unpaid for year+, dying at a rate of 1 every 2 days, according to The Guardian ~2014
1851557;1537327335;Mocky;reportedly uae & qatar have lowest percent of females on planet earth ~25% of pop
1851558;1537327946;Mocky;if you're a woman who wants an arab man, qatar is the shit. step up on your pedestal and take your pick
1851559;1537328243;asciilifeform;Mocky: wouldnt it be mostly pinoy & indian d00dz tho
1851560;1537328255;asciilifeform;in the excess mass
1851561;1537328356;Mocky;huge mass yes, but all the good picks still less likely to be taken, and more willing to dote over whatever can be found
1851562;1537345745;deedbot;http://bimbo.club/?p=16 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Summary Log - 9/08/2018
1851563;1537348999;mircea_popescu;certainly circassian hussies.
1851564;1537349010;mircea_popescu;or however you say not-brunette.
1851565;1537349081;mircea_popescu;https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/0e/c7/cc/0ec7cce24c31f48763cb8d64dbac0bc3.jpg << orig item.
1851566;1537350079;diana_coman;asciilifeform, since your udp genesis is using the sha hashes + a "history" file I'm not sure: do you have something against the move to keccak + standard manifest file for v-trees?
1851567;1537350555;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in "these also get resolved sometimes", http://trilema.com/2016/give-computers-the-vote-theyre-cheaper-than-women-even/#comment-126700
1851568;1537360153;asciilifeform;diana_coman: believe or not, i still havent switched to phf's .
1851569;1537360204;asciilifeform;diana_coman: and if there was a moment in the l0gz where mircea_popescu proclaimed 'hey this is out of beta, errybody plox to retire the classical vtrons' -- i missed it? plox to link.
1851570;1537360341;asciilifeform;diana_coman: but to answer the orig q -- i have nuffin against the new format; but not switched yet.
1851571;1537360437;diana_coman;asciilifeform, I don't get it: are you saying you need mircea_popescu to officially declare it something or the other or what?
1851572;1537360455;diana_coman;I wouldn't expect there is such a thread, no; at any rate, last discussion on this I think starts here: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-06#1832406
1851573;1537360455;a111;Logged on 2018-07-06 23:15 phf: considering the slow adoption of the keccak approach and also a large number of existing sha512 patches, i'm planning on doing a regrind where i merge the keccak and the sha branches together, so that vpatch/vdiff can produce both hashes on a switch, until further notice.
1851574;1537360487;asciilifeform;diana_coman: this is how we typically do standardizations, yes
1851575;1537360491;diana_coman;the issue at hand is more simply that being sha means it will have to go through regrind at some point and so I'm not very keen on adding to it patches just to have what to regrind later; but maybe that's just me
1851576;1537360540;diana_coman;uhm, wait; you mean you think it might still change and *not* be keccak? or current keccak version not surely if keccak? or...dunno, what?
1851577;1537360560;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i'm not averse to regrinding , if diana_coman already switched ( i managed to sleep through this , somehow, but yes looks like you're in the new format )
1851578;1537360593;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i'm satisfied that your keccak worx
1851579;1537360595;diana_coman;asciilifeform, lel: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-08#1832762
1851580;1537360595;a111;Logged on 2018-07-08 00:14 asciilifeform: i expect that errybody currently tuned in, will use keccak.
1851581;1537360637;asciilifeform;again i had and have 0 objection to the format, or would have said.
1851582;1537360661;diana_coman;cool; I was just surprised + trying to understand what is going on
1851583;1537360748;asciilifeform;diana_coman: what's going on is that asciilifeform has buncha boxen with old tooling, and also tends to rely on mircea_popescu to proclaim 'let's nao new format'
1851584;1537360813;diana_coman;asciilifeform, I know that pain, honestly; I still trip over this change and I wouldn't even say that I have as convenient a workflow with new tooling as I had with old
1851585;1537360829;asciilifeform;hm why is this?
1851586;1537360835;diana_coman;and I actually have both on for now, hence yeah, I just pressed your patch with old V
1851587;1537360853;asciilifeform;i thought phf's was backwards-compat?
1851588;1537360879;diana_coman;I pressed only the keccak branch of phf's
1851589;1537360886;asciilifeform;aa
1851590;1537360897;asciilifeform;but why not as convenient, i meant
1851591;1537360926;diana_coman;possibly because I did not yet fully digest the new one (or not as well as old one)
1851592;1537361101;asciilifeform;btw do we have a full spec for the new form posted somewhere ?
1851593;1537361314;diana_coman;asciilifeform, not full as far as I'm aware; there is http://trinque.org/2018/06/02/v-manifest-specification/ re manifest
1851594;1537361483;asciilifeform;diana_coman: the 1 thing that still bothers me is that same file extension was kept for new v as for old
1851595;1537361517;diana_coman;asciilifeform, I can see the point given how often I went already "oh, this is /not is keccak/sha"
1851596;1537361528;asciilifeform;not even speaking out of concern for heathens ( tho they do read my www and occasionally try to build the proggies ) but for tripping over own feet
1851597;1537361564;diana_coman;my approach has been: try with keccak; if fails, for now at least, try with old sha-based
1851598;1537361580;asciilifeform;really imho oughta switch the extension. note that this requires no regrind.
1851599;1537361613;diana_coman;I can fully see the point to that, certainly
1851600;1537362090;asciilifeform;i'm not averse to regrinding things, vtron that understands 2 types of hash inside 1 tree is prolly too much to ask for; but at the very least i gotta be able to distinguish old form from new by file ext., for own workflow.
1851601;1537362217;asciilifeform;would also like to have (but afaik we dun have?) a mechanical converter from old to new, so that all i gotta do is re-seal
1851602;1537362261;asciilifeform;hey mod6 , didja ever switch to new format in trb ?
1851603;1537362273;asciilifeform;did i also somehow sleep through this
1851604;1537362285;diana_coman;in other pleasant surprises, this generic thing in ada is very useful
1851605;1537362300;asciilifeform;diana_coman: there's a caveat tho
1851606;1537362353;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850400 <<
1851607;1537362353;a111;Logged on 2018-09-14 16:02 asciilifeform: the only lang feature that gets in the way of this partitioning is 'generics', but iirc diana_coman did not use these anywhere
1851608;1537362389;asciilifeform;it prevents full modularization, in that the restrictions that hold in the library begin to apply to the called
1851609;1537362393;asciilifeform;err, caller
1851610;1537362407;diana_coman;asciilifeform, yes, atm I'm looking at it for the test harness, for which I think it fits great (since I wouldn't want to go writing 1-65535 explicitly if I can help it)
1851611;1537362414;asciilifeform;at least this was so in the old gnat
1851612;1537362445;asciilifeform;diana_coman: how did you make the receiver eat unexpected sizes ?
1851613;1537362494;diana_coman;atm I'm just playing around with generic to wrap my head around it! lol; but receiver can haz max size and then report, no?
1851614;1537362514;asciilifeform;aha
1851615;1537362540;diana_coman;if you have a better idea, please expand
1851616;1537362551;asciilifeform;you would have to make small change tho, to make it report size, mine does not ( only 'valid' , i.e. full size, or 'invalid' )
1851617;1537362604;asciilifeform;can simply replace the bool param with a 'actualsize' one, for experiment
1851618;1537362631;diana_coman;yes
1851619;1537362877;asciilifeform;diana_coman: the way i'd do the size shuffle, is to use a kindergarten prng (e.g. mersenne) for repeatable sequence, and put ~in~ the packets, a serial num. then simply record what comes out.
1851620;1537362893;asciilifeform;but prolly this was obv already
1851621;1537362944;asciilifeform;( then can clearly see, 'this one - lost', 'this - reordered', etc )
1851622;1537362980;asciilifeform;and put the local time in the payload, can then measure latency in 1 direction, to the limit of clock sync
1851623;1537363364;diana_coman;not a bad idea at all; at it's simplest I was thinking simply serial numbering the payloads and logging on both sides since putting together the 2 logs afterwards is straightforward, 1-line thing
1851624;1537363379;asciilifeform;also worx
1851625;1537363396;asciilifeform;making the run repeatable is useful imho tho.
1851626;1537363419;asciilifeform;see how ~particular~ sequence goes through various paths.
1851627;1537363505;asciilifeform;and will be interesting if results differ when ~direction~ is switched.
1851628;1537363525;asciilifeform;i suspect that the experiment could expose backbone diddlage..
1851629;1537363551;diana_coman;heh, that would be interesting to see at least, yes
1851630;1537363582;diana_coman;anyways, will wait for mircea_popescu to weigh in on this too; atm I still need to set up the main stuff and then those are params to adjust/set as required
1851631;1537363630;asciilifeform;will also be interesting if results are found to differ when one end is in mircea_popescustan, etc
1851632;1537363686;asciilifeform;( and i'd like to try from here, also )
1851633;1537363721;diana_coman;once it's ready, I'll publish it anyway and I don't see any reason why one couldn't run it anywhere they want it, ofc
1851634;1537364245;asciilifeform;i also suspect that results will differ when 1 box is behind a konsoomer nat thing, vs. when both ends are 'adult' (naked ipv4)
1851635;1537364300;asciilifeform;( observe that it is actually impossible to do the thing if both are inside nat )
1851636;1537364388;asciilifeform;unless of course both inside ~same~ nat ( i.e. on 1 lan )
1851637;1537366393;asciilifeform;!Q later tell BingoBoingo crate has sat in montevideo customs for third day nao, and still no word from either dhl or orcs. possibly go there an' see ?
1851638;1537366408;asciilifeform;hm, bot dead ?
1851639;1537368003;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-19#1851602 << No, haven't done anything as of yet.  Still using SHA512 and my vtron.
1851640;1537368003;a111;Logged on 2018-09-19 13:04 asciilifeform: hey mod6 , didja ever switch to new format in trb ?
1851641;1537368073;mod6;To me, I'd like to see just one trb-vtree, one set of patches.  And if that means moving to keccac, then we will, and that'll be the only set of vpatches that The Foundation will distribute. (Otherwise I think it's too confusing, and time consuming to publish future vpatches in both.)
1851642;1537368147;mod6;Before we embark on an entire regrind of the trb-vtree to use keccac, I think we just need a major release version of a "defacto" vtron that supports both SHA512 (for other legacy projects) and keccac.  Sounds like phf's might fit the bill, but want to ensure that when the Foundation tackles this problem, it's on very stable footing.
1851643;1537369244;asciilifeform;mod6: imho this would be ideal, yes
1851644;1537369475;diana_coman;fwiw I was talking strictly of *new* stuff for now; notice that I did *not* regrind eucrypt either - that can wait; new stuff however should use keccak imo
1851645;1537369486;asciilifeform;i dun even disagree with mircea_popescu's 'if it's still alive, it oughta be reground' item. but at the very least oughta be able to read the old trees with new tool and determine that somebody's regrind is actually bit-identical to the original, without burning several days per instance
1851646;1537369533;asciilifeform;diana_coman: entirely fair point. i simply dun have the new one in my workflow yet, is all
1851647;1537369575;asciilifeform;but will note, the situation where i gotta keep multiple vtrons around, one for this-here, one for that-there, ( ftr i've been using my orig since aug '15 ) is imho suboptimal.
1851648;1537369612;asciilifeform;and the thing where both types of patch have same extension and are not visually distinguishable, is intolerable.
1851649;1537369621;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: They called me, going to their office. Some bullshit about "personas fisicas" and already having two imports.
1851650;1537369640;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: lemme know how it goes. this is 1st time i hear of any such thing re 'can only have 2 imports'
1851651;1537369742;BingoBoingo;I was under the impression that there is a limit of 3 tax free imports under $200, which should not be relevant considering there's an import deposit
1851652;1537369750;asciilifeform;aha, we paid the orc tax !
1851653;1537369762;asciilifeform;>> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850424 <<
1851654;1537369762;a111;Logged on 2018-09-14 16:42 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, mod6 , ben_vulpes : ordered ! 308.28 orcbux ( 62.18 of'em orc fee, 37.21 -- postage, the rest -- 8 drives and pack of 20 adhesive hedgehogs )
1851655;1537369787;asciilifeform;wtf is even the point of lulazon collecting it, if result is exactly same as if i mailed the crate myself
1851656;1537369862;asciilifeform;betcha if i'd mailed'em wrapped in old newspaper in a standard letter envelope, you'd already have'em, and we could be fiddybux richer.
1851657;1537370006;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i suspect that lulazon simply pockets that 62.18, and the orcs never see it; or alternatively, an orc pockets, off-record, and then pretends 'was 1 of 2 max free imports'
1851658;1537370039;asciilifeform;how the fuck else would $crate count as 'free'
1851659;1537370052;asciilifeform;and for that matter the previous 2 crates.
1851660;1537370289;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i like the new v format, but i also very strongly wish to avoid coming to resemble the urbit people, with their 'aah we restarted the universe for the 7th time'
1851661;1537370373;asciilifeform;if new vtron allows mechanical preservation of ~continuity~ , i.e. i can determine mechanically that a reground tree is in fact same as the old but-for-the-hashes, then all is ok. but if not, this'd be essentially same as throwing past 3rs of historicity away.
1851662;1537370441;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Well, I am still waiting on a birthday card from February sent through the post
1851663;1537370451;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: troo
1851664;1537370496;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: go an' hassle'em
1851665;1537370682;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: note, all 3 crates, has the deposit paid !
1851666;1537370699;asciilifeform;where did it ~go~ ?!
1851667;1537370706;BingoBoingo;Pull the invoice off of the Amazon orders page and get it to me. I want to show the fuckers the line for the import tax deposit.
1851668;1537370720;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: pdf worx ?
1851669;1537370726;BingoBoingo;it does
1851670;1537370760;asciilifeform;1s
1851671;1537370810;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/uYG9Z/?raw=true
1851672;1537370845;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: do me a favour and cut out my orig postage addr before handing these to orcs
1851673;1537370873;BingoBoingo;Aite
1851674;1537371153;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-19#1851642 << btw mod6 , diana_coman , one possible cut of the knot would be if new vtron were to have algo where it tries keccak 1st, then if fails, tries sha512 and ~loudly warns~ ( can be off by default , and enabled on cmdline )
1851675;1537371153;a111;Logged on 2018-09-19 14:42 mod6: Before we embark on an entire regrind of the trb-vtree to use keccac, I think we just need a major release version of a "defacto" vtron that supports both SHA512 (for other legacy projects) and keccac.  Sounds like phf's might fit the bill, but want to ensure that when the Foundation tackles this problem, it's on very stable footing.
1851676;1537371280;asciilifeform;( my current understanding is that errything ~else~ in vpatch format, remained same ? )
1851677;1537371294;asciilifeform;there is the manifest, but afaik it doesn't get machine-parsed
1851678;1537371594;asciilifeform;phf: plox to correct me if i'm wrong here
1851679;1537372151;asciilifeform;unrelatedly, am i the only one who reads these, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-19#1851562 ? some of these have atrocious mistakes, e.g. 'flashing the uboot with the dram from vendor did not do anything detectable' << rom, not 'dram', lol
1851680;1537372151;a111;Logged on 2018-09-19 08:29 deedbot: http://bimbo.club/?p=16 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Summary Log - 9/08/2018
1851681;1537372236;asciilifeform;i did not say anyffing re 'trinque is upgrading to 486DX2 for alf', but it prolly merits a mention also.
1851682;1537372424;asciilifeform;oh hey, guten morgen, mircea_popescu
1851683;1537372429;mod6;asciilifeform: yeah, i've been trying to keep up with bimbo.club
1851684;1537372557;mircea_popescu;hey hey.
1851685;1537372584;asciilifeform;mod6: i dun like to discourage folx, esp. mircea_popescu's pupil, who is evidently pouring sweat into the job. but i expected the items would get better with time, and imho so far they haven't
1851686;1537373140;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so did i! point in case : http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-28#1845190 so far, they haven't!
1851687;1537373140;a111;Logged on 2018-08-28 16:51 mircea_popescu: also, a) gotta start somewhere ; b) she's not working to impress you, she's working to impress me, meaning your only productive stance is "not like that, like ~this~" rather than "your work doesn't make the cut".
1851688;1537373232;mircea_popescu;this isn't going to become a monthly cycle, is it ? "i don't like this vtree" "do you have a patch ?" "no, i just don't like it" "well... come back with a patch"
1851689;1537373879;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'ma leave it there, after all the chix is yer student, not mine
1851690;1537373957;mircea_popescu;i dun see a problem with criticism, but it gotta be criticism. it gotta critique. "this, specifically ~this~ is wrong" "that, exactly that, is missing". something.
1851691;1537374003;mircea_popescu;otherwise what is this, timeo mulieris et dona ferentes ?
1851692;1537374018;asciilifeform;i'ma formulate all subsequent ones as ' s/foo/bar ', as i do for BingoBoingo
1851693;1537374032;asciilifeform;simple enuff.
1851694;1537374056;mircea_popescu;by all means, formulate it as "bitch, you're fucking stupid", but formulate it in some manner i can get behind.
1851695;1537374130;asciilifeform;it is prolly too much to ask for kindergartener to actually grasp the contents of the academy of sciences minutes she is reading; but perhaps it is possible with help.
1851696;1537374141;mircea_popescu;think of the whole opposability angle, will you. 1. alf : "your summaries suck"  2. bimbo "master, is this true ?" now i'm stuck. i'm not going to do a 3.b. "yes, because i like him" and i can't do a 3.a. "yes, because ~SOMETHING~" as the something's an undefined symbol.
1851697;1537374149;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i dun disagree.
1851698;1537374194;mircea_popescu;and kindergarten academy of science bla bla. i have children read shakespeare and why shouldn't i.
1851699;1537374220;asciilifeform;shakespeare is slightly easier, what with 500 yrs of linguists.
1851700;1537374222;mircea_popescu;what, they're not gonna fucking "understand" it ?! what, really, you understand the logs ? who the fuck understands the logs!
1851701;1537374246;mircea_popescu;the renoirs in "where's the renoirs" were produced through the act of "here's this cappod'opera, summarize it"
1851702;1537374266;diana_coman;heh, if I'd insist my child read *only* what he understood, he couldn't possibly read ~anything!
1851703;1537374278;mircea_popescu;diana_coman and necessarily derive no benefit from it.
1851704;1537374286;mircea_popescu;after all, he understands it already.
1851705;1537374300;diana_coman;all I insist on is that he either asks someone or otherwise check in dict for words he doesn't yet know
1851706;1537374301;asciilifeform;diana_coman: asciilifeform reads things he dun fully understand, all day, erry day, i dun disagree.
1851707;1537374340;mircea_popescu;just because i humiliate her, in this as in so many ways, she has to publish her struggle, dun mean it's somehow categorically different. erryone has piles of "this is what i understand of y"
1851708;1537374407;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's a great experiment, and imho entirely possible that the horse will eventually learn to sing.
1851709;1537374421;mircea_popescu;spreading works already.
1851710;1537374429;asciilifeform;verily.
1851711;1537374710;PeterL;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-19#1851661 << wouldn't you just get the vpatch from the old and new vdiff'ers and run diff on them, the only difference should be the hashes?
1851712;1537374710;a111;Logged on 2018-09-19 15:19 asciilifeform: if new vtron allows mechanical preservation of ~continuity~ , i.e. i can determine mechanically that a reground tree is in fact same as the old but-for-the-hashes, then all is ok. but if not, this'd be essentially same as throwing past 3rs of historicity away.
1851713;1537374718;mircea_popescu;ideally.
1851714;1537374786;asciilifeform;PeterL: as i currently understand : yes. but ideally this simple mechanism would be in the tool, rather than a http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-April/000296.html - style shell hack.
1851715;1537374874;PeterL;well, anybody interested would sign the diff-of-diffs, and then everybody switches to using the new format, no need to have it locked into the program if you are only using it once at the change over
1851716;1537374931;mircea_popescu;yes, the group is yet small enough and cohesive enough we can just do a deed and stuff.
1851717;1537374948;diana_coman;tbh if I were to critique her summaries I'd start pretty much from same point as with the 5yo i.e. the way they are know they read as if she doesn't actually have any idea what those terms she uses there mean even at a basic level and she doesn't even flag them as such (i.e. "hey, this afiejif wtf is it???"); to the extent that it all ends up as mechanical re-phrasing, it's quite stupid
1851718;1537374960;diana_coman;now*
1851719;1537375021;mircea_popescu;i don't think she dares ask, partly because she spent most of her life with engineers and partly because check out how irrational the process became the moment she showed up. this not common, this, freebased cvasicriticism, in the annals.
1851720;1537375036;mircea_popescu;tis not common*
1851721;1537375058;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: expand re the engineers point
1851722;1537375087;PeterL;it would be much more useful if the summary included a link to the relevant part of the log, so that if an item is of interest one could read more detail
1851723;1537375093;mircea_popescu;but yes, on spotcheck she could produce long form of ftp and deduce long form for isp out of "- mircea_popescu suspects that iptables is like php implementation of ftp - most people do not have their own isp"
1851724;1537375128;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in the girl's own words, "only interested in their being right".
1851725;1537375145;asciilifeform;ah this must be different species of engineer than what asciilifeform grew up with..
1851726;1537375159;mircea_popescu;this seems even perfectly reasonable, who wouldn't want to be right, until you understand the undertone. which eminently was "and perfectly willing to put on the adequate blinders for this effect"
1851727;1537375177;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, well, how does she evaluate if they are right?
1851728;1537375185;mircea_popescu;it never was her job to do that.
1851729;1537375192;asciilifeform;rarest skill is -- to teach, rather 'be right'
1851730;1537375207;asciilifeform;sorta how anybody can butcher, but not errybody -- surgeon with 'bedside manner'
1851731;1537375208;mircea_popescu;her job historically was to keep overgrown idiots from running head first into bureaucratic machinery./
1851732;1537375216;diana_coman;ah, as in: in them being what you asked of her? that's fine, sure
1851733;1537375227;mircea_popescu;wait, what ?
1851734;1537375244;asciilifeform;*rather than
1851735;1537375277;diana_coman; mircea_popescu> asciilifeform in the girl's own words, "only interested in their being right". -> is this re her summaries being right or what?
1851736;1537375304;diana_coman;or the engineers? lol
1851737;1537375307;mircea_popescu;this is re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-19#1851721
1851738;1537375307;a111;Logged on 2018-09-19 16:37 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: expand re the engineers point
1851739;1537375313;mircea_popescu;!!up nicoleci
1851740;1537375313;deedbot;nicoleci voiced for 30 minutes.
1851741;1537375320;diana_coman;aha, got it; mixed up there, ok
1851742;1537375327;mircea_popescu;check it out nicoleta, you're like the topic!
1851743;1537375333;asciilifeform;hmm i thought nicoleci is self-voicing
1851744;1537375340;asciilifeform;!!gettrust nicoleci
1851745;1537375340;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 1 by 1 connections.
1851746;1537375385;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform normally ; her key machine is currently without a working nic because no cable and no working wifi.
1851747;1537375389;asciilifeform;!!rate nicoleci 1 mircea_popescu's pupil; log summaries
1851748;1537375393;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/0bPiG/?raw=true
1851749;1537375413;asciilifeform;!!v 8B2E390E09066888A82E6901A1FA657A87826C4885C77E1EA157E008DC529922
1851750;1537375413;deedbot;asciilifeform rated nicoleci 1 << mircea_popescu's pupil; log summaries
1851751;1537375418;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ah
1851752;1537375425;mircea_popescu;it's hard, mang.
1851753;1537375446;asciilifeform;how did it happen, i cant resist to ask ? hanbot's duck ate cable ?
1851754;1537375455;nicoleci;my only hope is the dongle
1851755;1537375463;mircea_popescu;nah, put her in a cage that just dun have cat5
1851756;1537375476;asciilifeform;lol! severe cage, this
1851757;1537375487;mircea_popescu;think how your own sanity would fare, alfie!
1851758;1537375492;diana_coman;<mircea_popescu> this seems even perfectly reasonable, who wouldn't want to be right, until you understand the undertone. which eminently was "and perfectly willing to put on the adequate blinders for this effect" -> imo that is better expressed as "only interested in not being wrong" - quite different from being interested in being right
1851759;1537375499;asciilifeform;at least give the poor critter a rs232 SLIP!111
1851760;1537375565;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i've toiled in cages where even gsm barely penetrated, not even speaking of cables, so i can picture.
1851761;1537375583;mircea_popescu;why ? let her suffer.
1851762;1537375605;asciilifeform;what's she logged in with nao, i wonder, morse key ?
1851763;1537375605;mircea_popescu;diana_coman right you are indeed. i take it you're also familiar ?
1851764;1537375617;asciilifeform;i'd give a morse key.
1851765;1537375623;mircea_popescu;nicoleci PeterL has a point : start adding a log link to the summary lines, so people can look further if they want.
1851766;1537375625;asciilifeform;tidididididadadda...
1851767;1537375713;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-04-25#643502 << oblig
1851768;1537375713;a111;Logged on 2014-04-25 20:09 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://www.stalingrad-battle.ru/images/stories/ris42.jpg
1851769;1537375747;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, yes, it's not exactly a rare thing unfortunately
1851770;1537375780;mircea_popescu;myeah
1851771;1537375785;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i'd say this formulation describes bureaucrat, not engineer, but yes i am aware that they've recently hybridized into a strange mule species, bureau-engineer
1851772;1537375801;mircea_popescu;where's smith gonna hire actual engineers.
1851773;1537375818;asciilifeform;not without a working time machine, right
1851774;1537375825;nicoleci;mircea_popescu: sure i will do so, thats a good suggestion.
1851775;1537375883;*;asciilifeform tried (and failed spectacularly) over recent yrs , in various contexts, to hire 'actual engineer'
1851776;1537375906;mircea_popescu;it is the regular shock of everyone here that everyone else here exists. prolly should be the topic, really.
1851777;1537375914;asciilifeform;lol!
1851778;1537375997;diana_coman;testing 1, 2, 3: nicoleci, http://bimbo.club/?p=16&cpage=1#comment-8
1851779;1537376002;nicoleci;and suffering i am using a chromebook of all things..
1851780;1537376025;asciilifeform;lol!! that very same chromebook ??
1851781;1537376033;asciilifeform;i.e. stock c101?
1851782;1537376043;mircea_popescu;there's more than one!
1851783;1537376054;asciilifeform;there's 9000...
1851784;1537376062;nicoleci;diana_coman: lol!
1851785;1537376063;asciilifeform;but it'd be extra lulzy if mircea_popescu had given nicoleci that one
1851786;1537376069;nicoleci;lol
1851787;1537376096;mircea_popescu;there's over 9000, really...
1851788;1537376104;asciilifeform;i'm almost surprised that even webirc worx on that thing
1851789;1537376147;asciilifeform;it's the tightest cage short of, idk, a vt100
1851790;1537376415;nicoleci;may i also point out that its a very engineer thing to say, actual engineer
1851791;1537376429;mircea_popescu;heh.
1851792;1537376433;diana_coman;ahahah, I can see where she's coming from
1851793;1537376439;mircea_popescu;how subtle the sweetness of the nature of delusions is!
1851794;1537376447;mircea_popescu;nicoleci you know what "no true scotsman" means ?
1851795;1537376450;asciilifeform;it used to be this profession, y'know, like bakers, butchers
1851796;1537376456;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform never.
1851797;1537376462;mircea_popescu;it used to want to be, and enver got there.
1851798;1537376489;mircea_popescu;engineering is the donner party of professions.
1851799;1537376492;nicoleci;mircea_popescu: no idea
1851800;1537376541;mircea_popescu;nicoleci in the classical formulation, at a time when scottish-english rivalry was a poignant affair, respectable middleclass scot was depicted sitting in his tea chair with the newspaper, and reading about a linconlshire rapist and murderer
1851801;1537376547;mircea_popescu;"no scotman would do such a thing"
1851802;1537376565;mircea_popescu;the next day, same man, same chair, newspaper tells tale of this wolverhampton rapist murderer arsonist & jaiwalker
1851803;1537376571;mircea_popescu;"no TRUE scotsman would do such a thing".
1851804;1537376648;mircea_popescu;meh, wolverhampton is actually in the midlands. whatever, switch in london and edinburgh, the point is -- one always has a further mind into which to retreat & even nobler suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune.
1851805;1537376673;asciilifeform;still seems to me that at one time there were engineers. built such things as 'great eastern' steamer etc.
1851806;1537376704;mircea_popescu;you know they propped the great railroad on top of snow and it collapsed ?
1851807;1537376707;asciilifeform;aand in less time than costs today to get next model of toyota.
1851808;1537376711;mircea_popescu;they just wanted to get it across already!
1851809;1537376778;asciilifeform;rright and at one time surgeons spread peripueral fever erry day. but mircea_popescu for some reason does not say 'there never were surgeons, never quite got there'
1851810;1537376782;mircea_popescu;engineering never was an honest profession. much like medicine. it always wanted to be, and most of the time very earnestly tried to be. but it never actuially made it ; not at the time of the organixcally-multilayer-compensated grandfather clocks, not at the time of steam engine, not at the time of tanks and planes, not at any one time.
1851811;1537376791;mircea_popescu;i JUST DID lmao
1851812;1537376796;asciilifeform;then agreed.
1851813;1537376828;asciilifeform;entirely similar.
1851814;1537376852;nicoleci;mircea_popescu: ahh i see.
1851815;1537376857;mircea_popescu;understand how professional medicine is : i am myself, and this fellow is a most eminent specialist in his field, with decades of practice in the us, and in his entire being as perfectly intellectually respectable as i could ever ask for.
1851816;1537376897;mircea_popescu;we talk about a pain. i go in with one idea, he examines and has a different idea. the quality of his examination is such that i yield in the process, and gladly. look that indeed, clinical practice does something, it's evident he's got a better scent than i had.
1851817;1537376910;mircea_popescu;labwork shows up third and entirely unrelated cause
1851818;1537376923;mircea_popescu;profession ? i never yet that baker confused by the loaf of bread.
1851819;1537376929;mircea_popescu;never yet met*
1851820;1537377004;nicoleci;so what would you call the people who made the grandfather clocks, steam engine.. etc?
1851821;1537377034;mircea_popescu;engineers. which, you have to understand, is an import from french, where it meant "ingenuity-ist"
1851822;1537377048;mircea_popescu;and this at a time when the major problem of the french was the resurection of socrates' daimon, "the genius in things"
1851823;1537377066;asciilifeform;i suspect if baking were an affair where ~erry~ yeast cell gotta agree, or nuffin happens , or at the very least a horror in the vein of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1703881 , would resemble the engineer's toil
1851824;1537377066;a111;Logged on 2017-08-28 20:29 asciilifeform: kanzure: i and ~50 other folx, lost jobs, because it proved ~impossible to persistently force $valuableprotein secretion in ecoli
1851825;1537377080;mircea_popescu;there was never a time ingenuity, specifically as this almost-endearing-often-infuriating-wilful-blindness was never part of the term.
1851826;1537377127;mircea_popescu;!!up nicoleci
1851827;1537377128;deedbot;nicoleci voiced for 30 minutes.
1851828;1537377140;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i suspect that the 'blinders' are to some extent an immutable cost of the process, required for the directed thrust at $problem. sorta how knife is only sharp on 1 , at most 2 edges
1851829;1537377140;nicoleci;diana_coman: i think its what hanbot calls the bathroom :)
1851830;1537377173;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform entirely possible. but the whole art then becomes : "how not to fuck onself over while in trance".
1851831;1537377199;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i also suspect that this is why it requires at least 2 people. sorta how sniper worx 9000x better in pair with spotter.
1851832;1537377217;mircea_popescu;this theory at least seems to work well so far.
1851833;1537377321;asciilifeform;for n00bz, sniper has naked eyes + his scope thing, shows a coupla of degrees of far-away place, head-sized; spotter has naked eyes + telescope and isn't holding 8kg of hand cannon, can move around a bit moar
1851834;1537377588;asciilifeform;the pathology of current-day shit-engineering is imho twofold -- bureaucrats reacted to quack engineers, with poor upbringing, who 'i dun need no stinkin' spotter' by creating hybrid species , bureau-engineer, who 'i dun need no stinkin' book-larnin', i watched 'intro to rails' film' etc
1851835;1537377702;asciilifeform;resulting chimera is neither fish nor fowl, has all of the 'self-blessing' cocksureness of a general, and ~none of the technical ability of the old engineer, and somehow asked to fill in for both
1851836;1537377712;BingoBoingo;MOTHERFUCKING NIGGERLAND COMMIE COCKSUCKERS
1851837;1537378038;nicoleci;wow you know, i was just about to say the same thing
1851838;1537378092;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo didja get dekulakized ?
1851839;1537378132;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Not yet. Encountered another level of mud hut retardation.
1851840;1537378173;mircea_popescu;mazel tov.
1851841;1537378215;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: expand?
1851842;1537378307;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: DHL's line at the level I engaged them so far is "Personas fisicas" get 2 dispatched "compras de exterior" paying tax and all that. In spite of more than two already making it through thus far DHL's niggers are stuck on this. But there's another level of insanity to this retardation.
1851843;1537378336;mircea_popescu;but you're not from there ?!
1851844;1537378412;diana_coman;nicoleci, lol
1851845;1537378448;BingoBoingo;"personas fisicas" also get to make THREE compras de exterior without taxes provided they are under 200 U$S and 20 kilos which can be tracked here https://aplicaciones.aduanas.gub.uy/LuciapubX/DECLARACIONES.Cargas.HWCantEncPostales.aspx and only shows an incoming test parcel I've got inbound.
1851846;1537378471;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo dude, this is for their local morons. you're not a local.
1851847;1537378539;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Right, which means the next task is finding someone in DHL who can understand that. That I am a BUSINESS, man.
1851848;1537378564;mircea_popescu;well is your business registered and the name on the packaging ? if no, then no.
1851849;1537378578;mircea_popescu;but the feeble mercantilism attempts they implement can't possibly apply to non-yokels, wtf.
1851850;1537378717;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-19#1851574 << there was a whole thread about wtf, stop with the sha already, yes.
1851851;1537378717;a111;Logged on 2018-09-19 12:34 asciilifeform: diana_coman: this is how we typically do standardizations, yes
1851852;1537378822;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: canhaz link to 'hey folx, phf's vtron out of beta, let's regrind trb etc nao' ?
1851853;1537378885;mircea_popescu;the idea was "no more new work on sha, regrind old work at leisure"
1851854;1537378896;asciilifeform;aa
1851855;1537378907;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-08#1832747 << most recent rehash
1851856;1537378907;a111;Logged on 2018-07-08 00:05 mircea_popescu: keccak came out of that. it's all in the logs.
1851857;1537378931;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-25#1789613 << plain statement of the principle.
1851858;1537378931;a111;Logged on 2018-03-25 19:40 mircea_popescu: follow the mainline. whole fucking point is to move vpatching to keccak mechanism. don't genesis on the old style why would you.
1851859;1537378939;asciilifeform;i'm 100% in favour, so long as can use new file extension and not trip over own old patches. ( afaik phf's tool does not marry .vdiff string hardcodedly ? )
1851860;1537378960;asciilifeform;even ok with regrinding the udp piece
1851861;1537378974;asciilifeform;given as its 2d old
1851862;1537378998;mircea_popescu;but yes -- the idea very sharply is : use keccak for new work ; whenever have the time and inclination move old work to keccak tree also.
1851863;1537379003;mircea_popescu;this i believe is the only sane approach.
1851864;1537379022;mircea_popescu;now as to new extensions... imo bad idea. there's manifests and things now.
1851865;1537379067;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: right now asciilifeform , diana_coman , errybody, has buncha vdiff laying around, not only on www but on own disks, and serious problem if gotta stab at it by hand erry time to see which it is.
1851866;1537379079;mircea_popescu;date no good ?
1851867;1537379088;mircea_popescu;you got ls -l on your box like erryone else, yes ?
1851868;1537379096;asciilifeform;nope, often gets reset when copied via net
1851869;1537379120;mircea_popescu;thjat is so fucking stupid...
1851870;1537379143;mircea_popescu;i currently dun know a pill for this ; but no new extensions, it's a terrible move.
1851871;1537379182;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the 1 other pill i was able to think of , was http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-19#1851674 , but i dun expect you'll find it much better
1851872;1537379182;a111;Logged on 2018-09-19 15:32 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-19#1851642 << btw mod6 , diana_coman , one possible cut of the knot would be if new vtron were to have algo where it tries keccak 1st, then if fails, tries sha512 and ~loudly warns~ ( can be off by default , and enabled on cmdline )
1851873;1537379217;mircea_popescu;no, afaik this is ~what we came to in discussion with phf re support last.
1851874;1537379224;asciilifeform;oh hm was it
1851875;1537379230;asciilifeform;so this is in the current tool ?
1851876;1537379231;mircea_popescu;unless im well confused.
1851877;1537379250;asciilifeform;i'ma let phf clarify, otherwise it'll have to wait until i have a free hand and read his item properly, might be coupla days
1851878;1537379261;asciilifeform;unless diana_coman or mod6 remembers
1851879;1537379271;mircea_popescu;but anyway : NO NEW WORK ON SHA PLOX. USE KECCAK.
1851880;1537379280;*;asciilifeform nods
1851881;1537379321;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: expand re why dun like 'new extension', e.g. '.v'
1851882;1537379337;mircea_popescu;because it fragments the sensata-perceptible identity of the v.
1851883;1537379345;asciilifeform;it's already fragged, neh
1851884;1537379347;mircea_popescu;i dun want to hinder brains to serve computers.
1851885;1537379359;asciilifeform;already hindered in this way, tho, as cost of making the switch
1851886;1537379381;asciilifeform;imho not being able to tell the 2 formats apart externally is ~moar~ pain
1851887;1537379443;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-19#1851696 << "granpa, why is this extension 75 characters long ?" "well see sonny boy, back in the day of planet earth they decided to keep changing it, and well... time passed, and wel... you now must type 75 characters of history you don't know"
1851888;1537379443;a111;Logged on 2018-09-19 16:22 mircea_popescu: think of the whole opposability angle, will you. 1. alf : "your summaries suck"  2. bimbo "master, is this true ?" now i'm stuck. i'm not going to do a 3.b. "yes, because i like him" and i can't do a 3.a. "yes, because ~SOMETHING~" as the something's an undefined symbol.
1851889;1537379444;phf;asciilifeform: the approach that came out of last thread was "explicit flag", i.e. -t sha/keccak, but attempting to hash both then choosing one if one succeeds or bail as you suggested is not bad, though dwimy
1851890;1537379474;mircea_popescu;phf i just read his thing in terms of "explicit flag, k by default".
1851891;1537379498;phf;mircea_popescu: no i think he's saying "try to hash in both formats and then make a guess if one of the formats succeed"
1851892;1537379515;mircea_popescu;well no. "try keccak, if it fails let operator opt to try sha".
1851893;1537379563;asciilifeform;btw if operator has option of enabling 'try sha', can make keccak continuations of old tree, without regrinds
1851894;1537379569;asciilifeform;(until reground)
1851895;1537379580;asciilifeform;e.g. i can put out ch12 of ffa on keccak.
1851896;1537379591;mircea_popescu;no dude, all this is whole-tree
1851897;1537379599;mircea_popescu;there's no by-patch state machine wtf is wrong with you.
1851898;1537379612;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: no new state machine needed
1851899;1537379614;mircea_popescu;next im gonna implement perl in v
1851900;1537379655;asciilifeform;srsly, exactly same logic as in existing vtron, with the exception of 'when hashing, try keccak 1st, then sha, THEN compare equality, if found to be the latter, warn user, and if sha not enabled, eggog'
1851901;1537379688;mircea_popescu;just stop.
1851902;1537379711;phf;asciilifeform: please to clarify, do you mean that you can say run "./vpatch < foo" and if that fails you run it as "./vpatch -t sha < foo". or are you saying "./vpatch < foo" and it attempts to, internally, first keccak then sha?
1851903;1537379755;asciilifeform;phf: no, per hash invocation. but loox like mircea_popescu dun like this method, would rather have the trees reground sooner than later.
1851904;1537379762;mircea_popescu;yes.
1851905;1537379773;mircea_popescu;same-hash whole tree, what.
1851906;1537379776;asciilifeform;ergo i'd like to make the operation mechanical, to the extent is reasonable.
1851907;1537379829;asciilifeform;where the machine bakes 'same tree, new hash algo' and errything else is bitwise-same, then i go an' unsheath launch coads, and bake new seals.
1851908;1537379854;asciilifeform;i put 9000 hrs into reading trb, i do not have these 9000 to do it exactly same again nao.
1851909;1537379893;mircea_popescu;this is conceivably a useful tool, but imo not properly thought of as "vtron".
1851910;1537379902;asciilifeform;oughta be same procedure as http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-April/000296.html , but in the tool, imho.
1851911;1537379907;mircea_popescu;vcompare, takes sha tree and keccak tree, and certifies whether same tree or not same tree.
1851912;1537379942;asciilifeform;a new operator ( no , i dun think we've seen the last of new sane folx, tho mircea_popescu may disagree ) oughta be in possession of the complete kit when he sets up his vtron.
1851913;1537379954;asciilifeform;which complete kit oughta be able to follow the continuity of e.g. trb to day1.
1851914;1537379960;mircea_popescu;i always suspected alf wants to write this for himself by himself lest corruption ; but nothing wrong with published imago.
1851915;1537379962;asciilifeform;even if with some hand work.
1851916;1537379978;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i long ago gave up trying to maintain 'the one and only vtron' lol
1851917;1537379982;asciilifeform;hence mod6 et al
1851918;1537379994;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so you're saying this compare should be a flag in vtron, whereby it takes a sha and a keccak tree and spits out yes/no ?
1851919;1537380003;asciilifeform;my orig. worked for 3yrs nao in my own hands, but had obvious limitations, and i did not expect it'd live 4evah
1851920;1537380009;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: correct.
1851921;1537380032;mircea_popescu;phf this make any sense to you ?
1851922;1537380039;asciilifeform;and can produce a keccak tree from a sha tree, with the exception of the seals, in such a way that i can be assured that i'm signing same material.
1851923;1537380044;asciilifeform;(but for the hashes)
1851924;1537380084;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform why would IT do that ? you just purge the patches, hash and sign, and then have it verify
1851925;1537380236;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: right, purge, but 1st gotta make new ones, that are known to contain same material
1851926;1537380262;asciilifeform;i can do it with shell ( as quoted from trb experiment list earlier ) easily enuff. but there is also the ~reader~ side, who wants to verify continuity.
1851927;1537380276;asciilifeform;e.g. mod6 .
1851928;1537380286;asciilifeform;or even entirely new people, should some be birthed.
1851929;1537380327;phf;mircea_popescu: i have a set of tools like that on top of vpatch/vdiff, but they are entirely expressable as a 5-10 line shell scripts, and their variety is multitude "convert this sha set to keccak set" "see if these two sets press to same" "press all the intermediate states into separate folders" etc. etc. but i think what he's trying to get is a tool that will say "these keccaks are same as these shas so you don't have to reread"
1851930;1537380374;mircea_popescu;what do you mean "make new ones" ? http://btcbase.org/patches/asciilifeform_aggressive_pushgetblocks << to replace "- D49E7AAAB38507FD69E6629B8BAAE80BC87D2071C842C8EDE6F2D8E54F87E7D439C79B9A38AD94591E6FD5CF96196F2221426A4C8A2FFB282030FBCF810C18FB
1851931;1537380375;mircea_popescu;+ E76829B2488665287ED6037EAA5DD4651A67DDC9A44111089F55249248B6549387B9146BB1E51CC5A659558805BCF8987C10ECAD8478F83FC5EB165044AC5D3C" with w/e keccak says, you mean ?
1851932;1537380409;mircea_popescu;phf i honestly thought ~everyone with half hour's interest does have the ~same dozen lines of bash, and so neve rsaid a word of it. i dunno why he doesn't.
1851933;1537380453;mircea_popescu;but the point is : given a sha tree, the operator thereby produces the keccak tree, and then the tool verifies these are the same, and there you go.
1851934;1537380493;mircea_popescu;why would i have baked into vtron something that a) is unlikely to ever be used again, past this year and b) works much better in bash anyway and is rather trivial to do
1851935;1537380711;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-19#1851619 << this is sound
1851936;1537380711;a111;Logged on 2018-09-19 13:14 asciilifeform: diana_coman: the way i'd do the size shuffle, is to use a kindergarten prng (e.g. mersenne) for repeatable sequence, and put ~in~ the packets, a serial num. then simply record what comes out.
1851937;1537380727;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'd be entirely satisfied if it were a separate util, that came 'with' vtron, also.
1851938;1537380742;mircea_popescu;imo we're getting close to a golden standard udp tester.
1851939;1537380750;phf;i believe this might be a groundhog day thread
1851940;1537380755;mircea_popescu;i have nfi.
1851941;1537380859;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'm quite looking forward to learning the answer to 'how big packet'
1851942;1537380874;asciilifeform;( all i got so far is dusty tomes & hearsay , re subj )
1851943;1537380886;mircea_popescu;ikr.
1851944;1537380896;asciilifeform;also will be hilarious to expose backbone ticklings.
1851945;1537380905;mircea_popescu;provided of course personas fisicas de republica oriental can receive more than 2 packets a year.
1851946;1537380927;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i admit i was surprised to have been able to mail ~anyffing~ there, knew there gotta be a catch
1851947;1537380939;asciilifeform;initially worked on assumption that no mail at all.
1851948;1537380988;asciilifeform;loox like mircea_popescu's old observation 'they wanna tax, not prohibit commerce' was optimistic tho. the orcs ~want~ to die
1851949;1537381023;mircea_popescu;what i meant by "mercantilism" is that they do not want the locals to leak dollars back into the ubers of the world.
1851950;1537381027;mircea_popescu;which they mindlessly will otherwise.
1851951;1537381035;asciilifeform;right, makes sense
1851952;1537381047;asciilifeform;sorta su-like dynamic
1851953;1537381047;phf;as BingoBoingo continues living in orcland and his subtle mannerisms lose the imperial edge the locals no longer perceive him as a white sahib, soon attempt to "back to work, nigger" him
1851954;1537381056;asciilifeform;possib
1851955;1537381078;asciilifeform;fwiw asciilifeform was able to make use of 'sahib' dynamic to get crates through orc customs
1851956;1537381099;asciilifeform;'i represent $corp ! will call home, there will be problems '
1851957;1537381105;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-19#1851556 item huh.
1851958;1537381105;a111;Logged on 2018-09-19 03:11 Mocky: construction workers for their 2022 world cup stadii firmly in gulag, unpaid for year+, dying at a rate of 1 every 2 days, according to The Guardian ~2014
1851959;1537381207;BingoBoingo;Anyways, looks like the rest of this week is finding out how the plasticrap makes it in
1851960;1537381233;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: via Officially blessed channels, i'd expect
1851961;1537381244;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: didja ever ask that shop keeper ?
1851962;1537381290;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: also plox to clarify, at this point is the disk crate a total loss ?
1851963;1537381292;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-19#1851656 << so why not do just that.
1851964;1537381292;a111;Logged on 2018-09-19 15:11 asciilifeform: betcha if i'd mailed'em wrapped in old newspaper in a standard letter envelope, you'd already have'em, and we could be fiddybux richer.
1851965;1537381328;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: also plox to clarify, at this point is the disk crate a total loss ? Will hopefully find out by Friday or Monday.
1851966;1537381334;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: further below in l0gz, is http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-19#1851662
1851967;1537381334;a111;Logged on 2018-09-19 15:20 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, I am still waiting on a birthday card from February sent through the post
1851968;1537381347;mircea_popescu;lmao
1851969;1537381352;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: didja ever ask that shop keeper ? << Their answer was sufficiently vague as to be useless
1851970;1537381362;mircea_popescu;what, granma used to hbe a gun moll, put a benjie in the card ?
1851971;1537381392;BingoBoingo;Apparently there was a cheque in the card
1851972;1537381404;mircea_popescu;heh.
1851973;1537381408;mircea_popescu;gun turrets, when ?
1851974;1537381438;asciilifeform;uboat delivery, when!11
1851975;1537381442;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-19#1851661 << this principle is perfectly sound, nobody wants "throw away"/
1851976;1537381442;a111;Logged on 2018-09-19 15:19 asciilifeform: if new vtron allows mechanical preservation of ~continuity~ , i.e. i can determine mechanically that a reground tree is in fact same as the old but-for-the-hashes, then all is ok. but if not, this'd be essentially same as throwing past 3rs of historicity away.
1851977;1537381484;asciilifeform;rright, was whole substance of thread. asciilifeform is not in luvv with sha, does not yearn to use it 4evah
1851978;1537381484;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform incidentally, small & thereby entirely undetectable surfaceboat (like the us army troop transporters, back in the day there was such a thing as an us army or troops) would prolly work perfectly well.
1851979;1537381507;mircea_popescu;hitch two jerrycans together, one with the fuel, the other with the engine navigation and payload, and w/e, two weeks to port.
1851980;1537381522;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the columbian folx are at the forefront, as i understand, of this tech.
1851981;1537381536;mircea_popescu;more like at the butt of it, but w/e.
1851982;1537381539;asciilifeform;but they have the turnover to support the fixed costs, and we not yet
1851983;1537381540;mircea_popescu;niggers nigger-rig.
1851984;1537381567;asciilifeform;if they're butt, who then front, i'm curious
1851985;1537381588;mircea_popescu;~nobody. who was at front of surgery in 1800 ?
1851986;1537381591;asciilifeform;or is this one of those 2-arsed beasts
1851987;1537381595;mircea_popescu;yeah
1851988;1537381597;asciilifeform;aa.
1851989;1537381620;phf;a plus of this approach is that asciilifeform will be able to live out his boat life fantasy
1851990;1537381629;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: recall the 'battery for flying 10kg to buenos aires' thread btw
1851991;1537381637;asciilifeform;phf: human pilot is insanity
1851992;1537381648;mircea_popescu;this is a) not flight and b) not electric.
1851993;1537381662;asciilifeform;arithmetic still worx on it tho
1851994;1537381669;asciilifeform;potentially could answer, 'how', 'with what'
1851995;1537381669;phf;take port in la perla san juan on the way, drink mescal with the zetas, etc.
1851996;1537381718;asciilifeform;if we had the hands that are skilled in this, we wouldn't be having the thread nao, would we.
1851997;1537381830;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: even for robotic ship, i suspect electric wins, with e.g. pv panels can have ~unlimited endurance, and quiet.
1851998;1537381853;asciilifeform;( so what if 'can take 2wks, can take 3, depending on currents', sun still shines )
1851999;1537381856;mircea_popescu;diesel is 10MW/kg. this means that 1 jerrycan of diesel can take two jerrycans however far 7500 miles or so.
1852000;1537381867;mircea_popescu;absolutely not.
1852001;1537381871;asciilifeform;diesel can also be heard from 20km, tho
1852002;1537381885;asciilifeform;gift for usg.
1852003;1537381912;mircea_popescu;yeah right. a gift like season tickets for baseball are a gift. "here's a gift that will take 5k in bills to '''enjoy'''".
1852004;1537381917;mircea_popescu;hear is one thing. go find.
1852005;1537381940;asciilifeform;erry ~week they find, neh, some schmuck with cocayacht
1852006;1537381956;mircea_popescu;this is not yacht. this is a 50kg displacement, 1inch above water item.
1852007;1537381960;mircea_popescu;unfindable.
1852008;1537381964;asciilifeform;( fwiw i have nfi how many not-find, is q above asciilifeform's paygrade )
1852009;1537381989;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i.e. ~torpedo ?
1852010;1537382004;mircea_popescu;understand : "standard" yacht, say a 33 foot boat, has ~5ton displacement, and its tank (150-200 liters) will take it say maybe 300 miles if driven 6-7 knots in calm weather.
1852011;1537382027;mircea_popescu;it also stands say 3 meters over water
1852012;1537382036;*;asciilifeform does not have the naval-fu to say whether this scales down linearly
1852013;1537382090;mircea_popescu;in any case, you're doing 1/100 the weight and 1/10 the fuel tank.
1852014;1537382121;asciilifeform;for the sake of gedankenexperiment : mircea_popescu how would you keep the air intake out of water in a 'surface torpedo' ?
1852015;1537382132;asciilifeform;afaik there's a reason why torpedoes carry own oxidizer in all cases
1852016;1537382161;asciilifeform;it takes 1 gulp of ocean, and engine is done
1852017;1537382193;mircea_popescu;put four on each corner, make them |= style, and let it be
1852018;1537382208;asciilifeform;right but gotta keep water out of all of'em
1852019;1537382212;asciilifeform;or am i missing something
1852020;1537382221;mircea_popescu;nah, water keeps self out, as long as they don't suck.
1852021;1537382226;mircea_popescu;suck with the ones not submerged.
1852022;1537382227;asciilifeform;they're sucking, tho
1852023;1537382243;asciilifeform;and 2m (sop) wave, all 4 submerged ? then what
1852024;1537382245;mircea_popescu;why, because it's 1938 ?
1852025;1537382249;mircea_popescu;then engine stops.
1852026;1537382267;asciilifeform;so needs diesel that can self-dehydrate ?
1852027;1537382268;mircea_popescu;but large waves are not so usual in blue water.
1852028;1537382279;asciilifeform;would be killer item, as i understand lotsa yachters would buy
1852029;1537382280;mircea_popescu;no, the engine stops. not chokes, stops.
1852030;1537382304;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the reason this doesn't work for the 40 foot planing yacht twin engine turbo bla bla, is because engine is fucking large.
1852031;1537382320;asciilifeform;i can think of several possible ways to make such a diesel, but afaik no such thing presently exists off-shelf, would have to make.
1852032;1537382335;mircea_popescu;the tiny thing here discussed, a) can be easily stopped and b) the suckage isn't of the nature of golfball-through-virginasshole./
1852033;1537382354;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hence my "niggers nigger rig" comment. they don't have the clue to make what they need.
1852034;1537382363;asciilifeform;rright, but diesels as i know'em still gotta be dry in order to start again.
1852035;1537382373;mircea_popescu;you never get water in.
1852036;1537382373;asciilifeform;and dun enjoy salt.
1852037;1537382381;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: valves ?
1852038;1537382386;mircea_popescu;yes.
1852039;1537382405;*;asciilifeform can picture valves, and compressed air tank as 'buffer'
1852040;1537382411;mircea_popescu;1 psi, airs, 1.03 psi closes.
1852041;1537382413;PeterL;just go to small scale nuclear reactor and then you don't need air, can just run under the water
1852042;1537382414;mircea_popescu;eeexactly.
1852043;1537382426;mircea_popescu;PeterL there can not be such a thing as "small scale" nuclear reactor
1852044;1537382427;asciilifeform;PeterL: even pre-nukes, '40s jp navy has peroxide sub.
1852045;1537382430;mircea_popescu;all reactos are the same size.
1852046;1537382432;asciilifeform;*had
1852047;1537382452;asciilifeform;it is possible to have closed cycle engine, on (reasonably) cheap.
1852048;1537382479;PeterL;how about a sterling engine (external combustion)?
1852049;1537382487;mircea_popescu;anyway, you'll have to figure out a buoyancy thing anyway. whyt the fuck use ballast, when could use airtank. etc.
1852050;1537382498;mircea_popescu;the small robotic blocade runner tech is very immature.
1852051;1537382508;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: airtank as ballast already classic, in ordinary torpedo.
1852052;1537382515;mircea_popescu;right.
1852053;1537382604;mircea_popescu;the other thing is of course speed. you, you're happy with 1 knot. the reason "modern yacht" has massively oversized engine and undersized tanks is because water is like molasses, and modern man is a premature ejaculotor. GOTTA QUICK!!!
1852054;1537382610;mircea_popescu;very expensive to gotta quick in water.
1852055;1537382627;mircea_popescu;"but mp, 1knot is booooring" "you know, the fish over there is the same fish as over here"
1852056;1537382647;asciilifeform;hence orig suggestion of electrics+pv
1852057;1537382651;asciilifeform;fish speed.
1852058;1537382657;asciilifeform;and no tanks.
1852059;1537382664;phf;ave1: i missed your zfp_4 but added http://btcbase.org/patches/zfp_4_assert
1852060;1537382693;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the sun will dry the seawater on your solar panels.
1852061;1537382702;asciilifeform;electrics -- scale down to ~microscopic. who didn't have a toy submarine as a boy.
1852062;1537382732;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is solvable , with properly oversized panel.
1852063;1537382737;asciilifeform;receiving end -- cleans it.
1852064;1537382755;asciilifeform;it's 1 of the few potentially sane use cases for pv.
1852065;1537382756;mircea_popescu;ocean will break your oversized panel.
1852066;1537382773;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you wouldn't put a single crystal panel to sea, lol. segments joined by rubber.
1852067;1537382791;mircea_popescu;the sea eats rubber. i hear that's why they don't have the toyota submerged cities yet.
1852068;1537382792;asciilifeform;and errything breaks one day.
1852069;1537382798;asciilifeform;q is whether it could survive a coupla trips.
1852070;1537382800;phf;why qatar, mocky and beedog could just consult for the zetas
1852071;1537382805;PeterL;what if the panel is placed under the water level, then salt won't dry on it
1852072;1537382807;asciilifeform;i suspect that such a machine could be built.
1852073;1537382814;mircea_popescu;phf what's mocky done!
1852074;1537382824;mircea_popescu;PeterL could be anchor!
1852075;1537382830;asciilifeform;lol
1852076;1537382869;mircea_popescu;anyway. the chinese routinely just do the english thing
1852077;1537382881;asciilifeform;which english thing
1852078;1537382883;mircea_popescu;(put boat at anchor 30 miles offshore, let locals ferry by boating ship)
1852079;1537382904;asciilifeform;what would anchor on a 50kg torpedo look like ?
1852080;1537382916;mircea_popescu;no anchor.
1852081;1537382932;asciilifeform;so, keeps station ?
1852082;1537382937;asciilifeform;how does receiver find it ?
1852083;1537382942;mircea_popescu;gps ?
1852084;1537382948;asciilifeform;i.e. it beacons ?
1852085;1537382955;asciilifeform;what's to keep enemy from going to the beacon ?
1852086;1537382955;mircea_popescu;nope. pre-arranged at tiome of loading
1852087;1537382965;mircea_popescu;"how do i know this is mine ?" "is it where yours should be ?"
1852088;1537382991;asciilifeform;i suspect that you'd get coupla sq. km. radius to search.
1852089;1537383018;mircea_popescu;"i'm confused now... was the pink one your dildos and the gray one my books ?" "shit man... " "ok let's drop them overboard see which way they go again"
1852090;1537383033;mircea_popescu;nah, meter resolution. just take whores out for a swim.
1852091;1537383033;asciilifeform;back when su spy sats dropped film bottles, they still had ( reluctantly, as it is just as asinine as it sounds ) beacons, because otherwise ~0 chance of find. even from chopper.
1852092;1537383202;PeterL;how about thing is equipped to receive signal, you send out proper code and your location, it finds you
1852093;1537383216;asciilifeform;at any rate i suspect that the problem is not wholly engineering problem, in the sense where, yes usg torpedo (for piddling 100km range) costs $mil, a ru torpedo -- $100k, but afaik nobody's built a $1 or even $10k thing-that-sails-8000km , in which to economically carry $1k of cargo
1852094;1537383219;mircea_popescu;why should it be programmable ? what, no p.bvulpes where these people live ?
1852095;1537383239;phf;asciilifeform: even modern amateur launches rely on beacons, but design considered is very similar to my glider: once released avoinics' only concern is to aim for a particular gps coordinate, no "sq km. radius" involved, depending on the range of banking maneuvers to within <5m
1852096;1537383249;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this item would cost about 10k or so i guess, and it'd carry maybe 10kg or 10 liters of cargo, whichever smallest.
1852097;1537383256;asciilifeform;phf: gliders don't get moved when landed by currents.
1852098;1537383278;mircea_popescu;this is not econoimical today, BUT because tanker takes 1 cent per ton to d othat distance
1852099;1537383295;phf;asciilifeform: there's no "landed" in your scenario, continuous adjustment towards coordinates until picked up
1852100;1537383297;mircea_popescu;it WOULD be economical if one actually aimed to collect your "i am being fucked for $100 bux on 100g"
1852101;1537383318;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'm 100% sold that one ~could~ build. would 1st have to devise a 50kg diesel, i've never seen one, even aside from the matter of water etc
1852102;1537383330;mircea_popescu;ie, one of these miniboats would be looking at 20k per trip. the gasoline is ~40
1852103;1537383358;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: gotta factor in % of lost vessels + cargo, like the satellite people do, however
1852104;1537383359;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform iirc the "small engine" item is recurrent in logs. prolly will end up in the worklists before foundry too
1852105;1537383379;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if i lost your cargo would you cry more than if the orcs steal it like they apparently well might've ?
1852106;1537383385;asciilifeform;small engines , to date, suffer re efficiency. sorta why tanker is sop today, vs fleet of sloops
1852107;1537383397;asciilifeform;but asciilifeform is not domain expert, will not presume to go into depth
1852108;1537383405;mircea_popescu;vs fleet of sloops yes, but not necessarily vs very small items.
1852109;1537383420;mircea_popescu;10kg and 10kton item safe. 100ton items... not safe.
1852110;1537383427;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu; currently orcs steal 300 $ of hdd, rather than $10k of hdd + $20k of torpedo..
1852111;1537383427;mircea_popescu;it's how the ocean goes, it has a double dip.
1852112;1537383438;mircea_popescu;air not like this, air has a single dip, optimal plane size is one.
1852113;1537383467;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, but if you do per kg this is actually more.
1852114;1537383490;asciilifeform;correct. ( tho in addition to 'orcs steal', we add 'poseidon steals' )
1852115;1537383504;mircea_popescu;anyway, the small float is safe thing : the ship that lost 10mn bathroom rubber ducklings at sea resulted in rubber ducklings amfibious landings
1852116;1537383514;mircea_popescu;if they were one single 10 ton rubber ducking, it'd have been pieced.
1852117;1537383535;asciilifeform;landed at ~destination~ ??
1852118;1537383545;mircea_popescu;for some definitions.
1852119;1537383567;asciilifeform;how wouldja like if you were mailing parcel and post answered 'hey, it went ~somewhere~' lol
1852120;1537383594;mircea_popescu;the point here discussed was material strength and ocean stress interaction, and why there's two solutions to the equation : large AND small
1852121;1537383621;asciilifeform;i'm 100% sold that 'small' is possible, but not 100% convinced that with diesel.
1852122;1537383622;mircea_popescu;as opposed to air, where there's only one solution : THIS big.
1852123;1537383639;asciilifeform;su tried for ~70yrs to make ~flyable~ (i.e. <100kg) diesel, failed.
1852124;1537383642;mircea_popescu;so use a wheed whacker engine.
1852125;1537383657;asciilifeform;10x smaller efficiency.
1852126;1537383665;asciilifeform;10x bigger tank.
1852127;1537383698;asciilifeform;and then talking about a 500kg torpedo.
1852128;1537383755;mircea_popescu;http://engines.honda.com/models/model-detail/gx25 << not quite 10x
1852129;1537383759;asciilifeform;i'd describe this as 'open problem', rather than 'physical impossibility' tho. conceivably a material exists out of which can be made 50kg diesel.
1852130;1537383804;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: pretty sure i got one of these here, grass cutter. air cooled tho, and even in cool air not happy to run for weeks at time
1852131;1537383816;mircea_popescu;water is much colder than your plastic casing.
1852132;1537383820;asciilifeform;right
1852133;1537383829;mircea_popescu;MUCH colder. no ship ever has cooling problems for engine. cools through mounts.
1852134;1537383831;asciilifeform;would be interesting to at least compute what can be had from genset engine
1852135;1537383842;asciilifeform;( how many kw, for how long , on $tank )
1852136;1537383867;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: as i understand cooling in ship is entirely different headache, how to keep salt from eating the exchanger
1852137;1537383884;mircea_popescu;in your case, the exchanger is the casing. nice pressed steel
1852138;1537383892;mircea_popescu;(im seriously thinking jerrycan chassis)
1852139;1537383915;*;asciilifeform pictures genset submerged in oil and welded into bottle
1852140;1537383982;asciilifeform;'wet exhaust' apparatus for the tailpipe.
1852141;1537384008;mircea_popescu;and if it overheats, it can... take a break!
1852142;1537384028;asciilifeform;btw the columbians, as far as is known to asciilifeform , use standard gensets for power plant, and electric outboard for motile.
1852143;1537384039;asciilifeform;that very same honda, iirc.
1852144;1537384075;asciilifeform;( the publicly exposed examples, iirc carried 2, 1 spare )
1852145;1537384078;mircea_popescu;they're eerily reminiscent of early ww2 soviet "tank" production
1852146;1537384093;asciilifeform;moar like '20s 'tank', where they welded sheets on vans
1852147;1537384093;mircea_popescu;"why does this turret look like a barn door ?" "..."
1852148;1537384118;asciilifeform;there's at least 1 public example of a ~papier-mache item.
1852149;1537384127;mircea_popescu;or i guess mosul isis "armored cars"
1852150;1537384131;asciilifeform;aha
1852151;1537384281;asciilifeform;btw 2 small motors that cannot do 100%-dutycycle, can be entirely legit replacement for one of 2x mass (and 5x cost) that could
1852152;1537384314;asciilifeform;supposing one has mechanism for switching.
1852153;1537384429;asciilifeform;incidentally re 'salmon goes fast enuff if yer patient!11' item: in asciilifeform's crackpot files, there is a gedankenexperiment, simplest possible sea propulsion, with 0 exposure of moving parts to salt : picture hermetically sealed 'bottle' with... gyroscope
1852154;1537384457;asciilifeform;in gimbal. as in old icbm navigator. with the diff that its purpose is specifically to resist motion in the 'undesired' direction.
1852155;1537384491;asciilifeform;potentially could have 'self-guiding message in bottle' this way, in coupla months would even get somewhere near where intended...
1852156;1537384560;asciilifeform;al schwartz at one time was into 'messages in bottles' , dropped in various spots from airplanes, tracked receipt ( many folx actually mailed in ! the postcard ). i suggested this variation to him.
1852157;1537384619;asciilifeform;you power the gyro with the motion of the thing itself, in waves, a la japanese wristwatch.
1852158;1537384631;asciilifeform;$100 transcontinentator...
1852159;1537384645;asciilifeform;champagne bottle.
1852160;1537384731;asciilifeform;( exercise for reader : compute the minimal necessary counter-force that gyro in a 5kg bottle must exert , to eventually converge on destination... )
1852161;1537384896;asciilifeform;i also suggested to schwartz to place mesh radio in the bottles, but thread went nowhere.
1852162;1537384999;asciilifeform;afaik the principal boojum that puts this in the 'prolly not happening' , is that ocean is not 'random', has strong currents.
1852163;1537385127;asciilifeform;ww2 jp accomplished however a similarly improbable feat, with 50kg ~balloons~, which had simple 'music box' mechanism that only knew how to drop ballast and vent gas, so as to get into- and out- of current.
1852164;1537385142;asciilifeform;so conceivably applicable to water.
1852165;1537385163;asciilifeform;!#s jp balloon
1852166;1537385163;a111;0 results for "jp balloon", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=jp%20balloon
1852167;1537385165;asciilifeform;hm
1852168;1537385218;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-28#1076087 << thread.
1852169;1537385218;a111;Logged on 2015-03-28 03:03 asciilifeform: for those who insist on balloons, at least study the state of the art: http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/41791.html/fusen-bakudan-balloon-bomb
1852170;1537385240;asciilifeform;( balloons per se are prolly not interesting from pov of this application, but same principle could be usable in water )
1852171;1537385497;PeterL;have we already explored small dirigible with pv panels on top and electric motor?
1852172;1537386560;mircea_popescu;!Qcalc 8300 / 14 / 24
1852173;1537386588;mircea_popescu;if you don't get 25km/h AVERAGE, you'll take more than two weeks.
1852174;1537387066;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/09/ghost-gunner-guy-hit-with-child-sex-charges-after-allegely-paying-sex-worker-for-hotel-sex/ << Qntra - Ghost Gunner Guy Hit With Child Sex Charges After Allegely Paying Sex Worker For Hotel Sex
1852175;1537387596;asciilifeform;ahahahaha BingoBoingo , loox like they finally http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-03#1577246 him
1852176;1537387596;a111;Logged on 2016-12-03 04:37 asciilifeform: did they put the d00d who was picked up for 'child pr0n' the day he demonstrated the glock-on-quadcopter ?
1852177;1537387628;asciilifeform;PeterL: dirigibles, balloons, etc. of practically useful size, suck, radar profile
1852178;1537387650;asciilifeform;even goatfuckistans have ww2-style radar.
1852179;1537387783;asciilifeform;( even supposing they didn't -- the place from which hypothetical box originates, definitely does )
1852180;1537388110;asciilifeform;btw ftr i suspect that the wilson d00d wasn't nailed for 'distibuting evil schematics', they're ~useless as is, but for refusing to sabotage'em and play gapon for usg
1852181;1537388115;deedbot;http://bimbo.club/?p=17 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 9/09/2018
1852182;1537388122;asciilifeform;and ditto the other fella
1852183;1537388156;asciilifeform;or even as mundane as refusal to play 'death ray seller' stooge role in $provocation-of-the-day
1852184;1537388184;asciilifeform;i.e. 'wouldn't turn asset'
1852185;1537388233;asciilifeform;nicoleci: couldja plz make the links -- clickable
1852186;1537388281;mats;isn't the fact that they're 3d-printed the booby trap?
1852187;1537388283;asciilifeform;( imho they also oughta be to something other than Framedragger's logtron, which i suspect is not long to live )
1852188;1537388292;asciilifeform;mats: perhaps not enuff of trap
1852189;1537388313;asciilifeform;mats: and the moar recent items not '3d printed', d00d sold a little cnc milling thing
1852190;1537388335;mats;oh interesting
1852191;1537388336;asciilifeform;it dun make barrels, only the back half of piece, but in usa barrels are sold openly
1852192;1537388371;asciilifeform;( ancient -- 1920s? -- laws, never cancelled, consider 'receiver' to be the usg-controlled item )
1852193;1537388377;asciilifeform;!!up nicoleci
1852194;1537388378;deedbot;nicoleci voiced for 30 minutes.
1852195;1537388427;nicoleci;asciilifeform: thanks - working on it now :) i wasnt sure how the links would show in the post
1852196;1537388429;asciilifeform;( for n00bz/non-aficionados -- 'receiver' is the part between stock and barrel, roughly )
1852197;1537388468;asciilifeform;excluding ( again, per usg customs, can't speak for the phree world ) the bolt.
1852198;1537388485;asciilifeform;kalash receiver can and has been made from shovel.
1852199;1537388524;asciilifeform;( as i understand, will be contraband in usg reich unless Officially blessed )
1852200;1537388608;asciilifeform;nicoleci: (possibly you already know, from reading l0gz) Framedragger was a briefly-productive fella who walked off into the desert coupla yrs ago; his www is (for nao) alive.
1852201;1537388643;asciilifeform;perhaps he paid for the hoster in advance, or whoknows, still tuned in quietly, but not known to me which.
1852202;1537388672;asciilifeform;similar situation to mike_c's wot viewer, which stayed alive for coupla yrs after he expired.
1852203;1537388938;nicoleci;asciilifeform: interesting and no i have not yet come across any references to framedragger
1852204;1537389293;phf;is ada-musl-cross-2018-06-01 the latest version of ave1's ada?
1852205;1537389464;asciilifeform;phf: afaik latest, yes
1852206;1537391270;asciilifeform;!!up nicoleci
1852207;1537391271;deedbot;nicoleci voiced for 30 minutes.
1852208;1537391278;asciilifeform;!#s from:Framedragger_
1852209;1537391278;a111;0 results for "from:Framedragger_", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3AFramedragger_
1852210;1537391280;asciilifeform;hm
1852211;1537391301;asciilifeform;!#s from:Framedragger
1852212;1537391301;a111;7577 results for "from:Framedragger", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3AFramedragger
1852213;1537391324;asciilifeform;nicoleci: ^ subj.  http://log.mkj.lt is/was his logtron.
1852214;1537391365;asciilifeform;in coupla wks will be whole yr since last seen alive.
1852215;1537391605;asciilifeform;phf: -cross is the build-for-arm64-on-pc but you prolly already knew this.
1852216;1537391787;phf;asciilifeform: after failing twice i decided to read the readme lol
1852217;1537391821;asciilifeform;phf: i followed the recipe on ave1's site, lol
1852218;1537391860;asciilifeform;http://ave1.org/tarpit/readme-2018-06-01.txt << subj
1852219;1537393343;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: IIrc, Cody's first dance was single shot plastic thing that required a 10 penny nail for the firing pin
1852220;1537393365;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: right, but he eventually retooled and went to the obvious sane thing, cnc kit
1852221;1537393382;asciilifeform;( prior to this i had him pegged as cheap provocateur )
1852222;1537393414;asciilifeform;for all i know, ~was~ cheap provocateur, but 'went off reservation', whoknows
1852223;1537393455;asciilifeform;some % of the recent schematics, are for proper ironwork.
1852224;1537393507;asciilifeform;( none of which constitutes a mega-seekrit, any competent smith can make kalash. wilson's thing was different, n00b assembles 100% unpoliced cnc box, tabletop, from kit, and then loads in ingot and proggy )
1852225;1537393539;BingoBoingo;Hard to say if all of USG.blue's hands are that coordinated. Could have been a hit by some activist group
1852226;1537393558;asciilifeform;fwiw i have nfi whether it worked, but the fact that barrel is not part of the scheme means that no serious metallurgy needed, untempered steel worx ok for receiver
1852227;1537393578;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i dun distinguish in my mind 'activists' from other usg
1852228;1537393586;BingoBoingo;The did go through all of trouble of fishing him with a sex worker instead of loading his drive up with pr0nz
1852229;1537393590;asciilifeform;good % of the reich moving parts consist of 'ngo' as it is.
1852230;1537393603;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: reich takes typically path of least resistance.
1852231;1537393616;asciilifeform;if d00d did not frequent whorehouse, theyd've given him some other 'mortal sin'.
1852232;1537393644;asciilifeform;chances are, i won't find out which one it'd have been till i go to the woodchipper myself.
1852233;1537394018;BingoBoingo;Not much to do except fry up some chicken livers while you wait
1852234;1537394019;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i've nfi whether i have months , or years, but pretty sure that not likely decade. the only thing i presently know re the reich reaper, is that idjit reddit 'activism' substantially shortens life expectancy. hence 'stars' like wilson et al.
1852235;1537394126;BingoBoingo;Well, there's always jungle life if you get out early enough
1852236;1537394143;BingoBoingo;The ocelot factor
1852237;1537394159;asciilifeform;as soon as i learn to live on mice -- then .
1852238;1537394185;BingoBoingo;Eric Rudolph did the jungle hardware thing for a while
1852239;1537394265;asciilifeform;for coupla months, and with 9000 safehouses, yes
1852240;1537394275;asciilifeform;iirc he wasn't trying to also write proggies tho.
1852241;1537394334;BingoBoingo;Anyways going into my fridge I've got "Hidago de Pollo" which runs 131 pesos to the kilo and "Corazon de Pollo" which runs 120 pesos to the kilo
1852242;1537394349;*;asciilifeform misread as 'hidalgo de pollo', lolled
1852243;1537394359;BingoBoingo;lol
1852244;1537394438;*;asciilifeform bbl,meat
1852245;1537398199;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-19#1852174 << i take it teh fbi was involved!!!
1852246;1537398199;a111;Logged on 2018-09-19 19:57 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/09/ghost-gunner-guy-hit-with-child-sex-charges-after-allegely-paying-sex-worker-for-hotel-sex/ << Qntra - Ghost Gunner Guy Hit With Child Sex Charges After Allegely Paying Sex Worker For Hotel Sex
1852247;1537398246;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-19#1852183 << seems rather closer to likeliness.
1852248;1537398246;a111;Logged on 2018-09-19 20:15 asciilifeform: or even as mundane as refusal to play 'death ray seller' stooge role in $provocation-of-the-day
1852249;1537398363;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-19#1852216 << was this a flag ? :D
1852250;1537398363;a111;Logged on 2018-09-19 21:16 phf: asciilifeform: after failing twice i decided to read the readme lol
1852251;1537398550;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-19#1852234 << lol, what, you decided to die there meanwhile ?
1852252;1537398550;a111;Logged on 2018-09-19 21:53 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i've nfi whether i have months , or years, but pretty sure that not likely decade. the only thing i presently know re the reich reaper, is that idjit reddit 'activism' substantially shortens life expectancy. hence 'stars' like wilson et al.
1852253;1537398652;mircea_popescu;anyway, reddit activism does ~nothing, i've been fucking reddit in the ear for years, reich still busy "not noticing, and if noticing still not noticing", https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRecordCorrected/comments/4y7b33/fyi_in_addition_to_purchasing_reddit_accounts/ style
1852254;1537398779;mircea_popescu;speaking of reality distorsion fields : "Rule #1: This is a non-partisan subreddit. Rule #3: No racism/antisemitism/anti-gay comments. Rule #9: No Direct Links to Garbage Media".
1852255;1537398822;mircea_popescu;straight out of the "this is not a convent but a hospital, therefore no tools nor textbooks allowed on the premises" playbook.
1852256;1537399255;BingoBoingo;In other headlines that complicate family relationships: "Texas great-grandmother shoots 12-foot gator as revenge for killing mini-horse"
1852257;1537399299;BingoBoingo;I R impressed granddaughter managed to birth gator
1852258;1537399570;mircea_popescu;lolz
1852259;1537399736;mircea_popescu;"In the summer of 1996, the world converged upon Atlanta for the Olympic Games. Under the protection and auspices of the regime in Washington millions of people came to celebrate the ideals of global socialism."
1852260;1537399743;mircea_popescu;dood's actually quite the unsung hero, isn't he.
1852261;1537399755;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-19#1852251 << i dun happen to have a surefire (or, more pertinently, quick) plot for getting out, was all
1852262;1537399755;a111;Logged on 2018-09-19 23:09 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-19#1852234 << lol, what, you decided to die there meanwhile ?
1852263;1537399812;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-19#1852253 << not errybody is firing from atomic dirigible, [insert mandatory thread] etc
1852264;1537399812;a111;Logged on 2018-09-19 23:10 mircea_popescu: anyway, reddit activism does ~nothing, i've been fucking reddit in the ear for years, reich still busy "not noticing, and if noticing still not noticing", https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRecordCorrected/comments/4y7b33/fyi_in_addition_to_purchasing_reddit_accounts/ style
1852265;1537399868;asciilifeform;'activists' who kick moar wasp hive than their arse can handle, have problems, i did not think this were surprising observation
1852266;1537399938;asciilifeform;redditsecrets.com << lol!!
1852267;1537399957;asciilifeform;reminds me of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-20#1378204 .
1852268;1537399957;a111;Logged on 2016-01-20 03:44 asciilifeform had 'tricks of the unix masters', old maculature crud, on his shelf as a student, and an actual greybeard saw, asked 'where is your 'tricks of the doom masters' to go next to this'
1852269;1537399981;asciilifeform;wtf is 'ctr' tho
1852270;1537400957;mircea_popescu;~usual nothing. very much "i didn't know turkey was a country" fare.
1852271;1537400971;mircea_popescu;speaking of tv morons, http://archive.is/EDCKX
1852272;1537401003;asciilifeform;'Time for Turkey’s Fragmentation' << ahahahaha usg.dos has not enuff ukrs..?
1852273;1537401013;mats;https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.php?strID=C00578997 << CTR
1852274;1537401055;asciilifeform;Total Spent	$29,329 << what kinda lolcat is this.
1852275;1537401167;asciilifeform;'...apparently the Iranians envied Russians for their despicable treatment of Armenia...' << lol , which alt-history was this ? the worldline where ru didn't (for no particular good end, might add) save the armenians from their (well-earned) http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-18#1851372 fate ?
1852276;1537401167;a111;Logged on 2018-09-18 23:28 mircea_popescu: when they bake again, it's gonna be "because the world is mean and CERTAINLY not because http://trilema.com/2013/the-dead-jew-and-the-raped-girl/ " again also, no doubt ?
1852277;1537401178;mircea_popescu;you may not recall the name of the white house janitor depicted from behind. but he is famous for fistbumping a pantsuit rapper once.
1852278;1537401369;asciilifeform;from behind << reminds of ww2 front su joak. new d00d in platoon, sitting by fire , listens to tales . old sargeant, 'we found pile of arms and legs and torso, but guesswhat, our doc stiched together and now them arms,legs fightin' again, see ivan over there.' new fella answers, 'i can do better, in my old unit we took a shell, found... just an arse.' sarge : 'what didja do then, what can do with just an arse' d00d: 'what do you thin
1852279;1537401369;asciilifeform;k? picked it up, he worked his way into hq, is big brass nao!'
1852280;1537401487;mats;https://campaignlegal.org/sites/default/files/10-06-16%20Correct%20the%20Record%2BClinton%20final.pdf lol
1852281;1537401534;asciilifeform;mats: item seems to be dated oct '16 . what became of this ?
1852282;1537401542;asciilifeform;( i'ma guess, /dev/null )
1852283;1537401569;mircea_popescu;"superpac". they go to devnull by default.
1852284;1537401597;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-19#1852242 << cuz its higado not hidago.
1852285;1537401597;a111;Logged on 2018-09-19 21:59 asciilifeform misread as 'hidalgo de pollo', lolled
1852286;1537401616;asciilifeform;that makes 9000x moarsense, lol
1852287;1537401679;mircea_popescu;http://www.armyofgod.com/Eric_RudolphBetweenTheLines_pdf_page1.html << in other lulz
1852288;1537401695;asciilifeform;404
1852289;1537401800;mircea_popescu;that'd be the joke, yes.
1852290;1537401859;asciilifeform;some folx, when they croak, all they get is a stone marked '404'.
1852291;1537401873;mircea_popescu;(no, the "archive" wikipedia links to also doesn't have any content. the pantsuit will carefully link to dead pages of things)
1852292;1537401874;asciilifeform;who, outside of the l0gz, remembers, e.g., erik frein.
1852293;1537401910;mircea_popescu;but whatever, moron opted to make it a pdf, i don't care.
1852294;1537401932;asciilifeform;i dun expect itd've made much diff if he stuck to godly 80col .txt .
1852295;1537401987;mircea_popescu;it would be here.
1852296;1537401989;asciilifeform;( and chances are that it wasn't born pdf, the ustards tend to repackage errything they get their sticky hands on, in pdf , for obv reasons )
1852297;1537402127;mircea_popescu;and then link to dead pages of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-01#1838633 puppets, and to imperial ersatz-archives of same, that are just as dead.
1852298;1537402127;a111;Logged on 2018-08-01 03:07 mircea_popescu: just like the weev morons, writing "advertising" irc bots to advertise inept usg alt-agenda to me. because yea, totally, THAT'll work, and is the way to spend a youth.
1852299;1537402129;mircea_popescu;and so on.
1852300;1537402145;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/FlLeK/?raw=true << just for you.
1852301;1537402157;asciilifeform;missing the photo liquishit, but i dun expect you wanted it for anyffnig
1852302;1537402261;asciilifeform;'At 15, I wasn’t really up on my politics. I’d never seen any evidence of an impending United Nations takeover, but what did I know? I had, however, done a tour of duty in south Florida’s public schools where the teachers taught us guilt and self-hate, where drugs and violence were the norm. I no longer trusted the System. The Culture War that the Patriots spoke of was something I’d experienced first-hand. Unlike the Pentecos
1852303;1537402262;asciilifeform;tals, who told us to become doormats, the Patriots talked about resistance. Talk of a coming war intrigued me. For the first time in my life, I felt like I had a purpose. Preparing for the coming conflagration held an incredible attraction for me.' etc etc
1852304;1537402315;asciilifeform;reads sorta like eliot.
1852305;1537402317;mircea_popescu;thanks.
1852306;1537402322;asciilifeform;np
1852307;1537402340;asciilifeform;133337 w4r3z
1852308;1537402399;mats;asciilifeform: did some digging, didn't come up with anything. doesn't help that i don't have a westlaw subscription anymore
1852309;1537402427;mircea_popescu;amusingly, post ww2 lots of ro army officers rejected the russian-sponsored pretense to relevancy of local "socialists" (exactly like us socialists, 1950s ro socialists were indistinct jobsworths, jailbirds and assorted faggots)
1852310;1537402439;asciilifeform;mats: i suspect that the whole thing simply evaporated, as these tend to
1852311;1537402440;mircea_popescu;took a good two decades to clear out the carpathians.
1852312;1537402487;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i saw a large and ( apparently recently built ) memorial for these in timis, with plinths fulla names and how/when killed
1852313;1537402490;mats;same group (campaign legal center) made complaints that hrc campaign paid out to fusion gps for the famous mi6 dosier
1852314;1537402538;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: was out in the boonies, next to the litle zoo thing they had
1852315;1537402547;mircea_popescu;aha.
1852316;1537402569;mats;seen here https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/DOSSIER-LAWSUIT-1.pdf
1852317;1537402577;asciilifeform;there was a woman there, looked to be 80-90 y.o., crying on bench.
1852318;1537402615;mircea_popescu;there were originally thousands and thousands of groups. a few famous ones lasted into the 60s, thereby delaying the "victory against fascist elements".
1852319;1537402631;asciilifeform;not errybody likes being colonized, noose at 11...
1852320;1537402633;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, there was a good 30-40% female population in these.
1852321;1537402657;mircea_popescu;goes to show that the "oh, treblinka, had women" is not quite that useful a heuristic. it also depends WHAT women. useless polish jews or what.
1852322;1537402665;asciilifeform;sure does
1852323;1537402692;asciilifeform;will add, belarussian partizans also ~20-30% chix, didn't hurt
1852324;1537402736;asciilifeform;mine under track still goes off when laid by chix.
1852325;1537402901;mircea_popescu;i lost interest in this "tactical choice of my part" pile of crap within two pages. who goes unarmed ? "I used to wear a handcuff key around
1852326;1537402901;mircea_popescu;my neck for just such an occasion. But that was a long time ago; seemed like ages almost" ? srsly ? who the fuck runs towards the ambush, unarmed ?
1852327;1537402911;asciilifeform;eliot.
1852328;1537402967;asciilifeform;iirc rudolf ended as some sort of armed desperado tho, so maybe read backwards ? ( then again, so did eliot... )
1852329;1537403004;asciilifeform;neither shows symptoms of being any kind of 'man of letters' tho.
1852330;1537403010;mircea_popescu;this was the discussion of his capture i thought.
1852331;1537403025;mircea_popescu;aaaanyway.
1852332;1537403027;asciilifeform;possibly includes one. but is 'autobio' written from prison, supposedly.
1852333;1537403032;mircea_popescu;the fascinating adventures of men alone.
1852334;1537403038;asciilifeform;whothefuq knows what % any relation to fact.
1852335;1537403075;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc rudolf wasn't ~exactly~ alone, has buncha derps in countryside helpin' him hide out and draw out the agony
1852336;1537403080;asciilifeform;y'know, like the carpathian folx.
1852337;1537403097;asciilifeform;*had
1852338;1537403195;mircea_popescu;looky, the mechanics of him being arrested were, from the pastebin : 1. dood saw a box of bruised bananas in dumpster, decided store will dump 100s of lbs, on the basis of experience ; 2. dood told self "i dodged that police cruiser hundreds of times, can do it again" ; 3. dood decided to cross after first pass of cruiser, rather than wait AS PER USUAL see if it comes back ; 4. when spotted, dood decided to run into blind all
1852339;1537403195;mircea_popescu;ey, instead of back the way he came.
1852340;1537403208;mircea_popescu;which sounds like "i'm sick of eating dumpster, this ends now", except for the part where he packed no weapons.
1852341;1537403261;asciilifeform;( it was never clear to asciilifeform what the ro, baltic, ukr, etc anti-sov partizans were hoping to accomplish, beyond a good 1st class ticket to honourable valhalla. they could not have glued the world of 1939 back together, and given as they weren't redditards, prolly understood this. so i'm left with 'acted from cause not purpose'(tm)(r) and no better hypothesis. )
1852342;1537403269;mircea_popescu;what the fuck was wrong with waiting for the cop to get out, shooting him in the fucking head, urinating in the hole, getting into the cruiser, calling emergency "officer shot" bla bla, then picking the respondents from behind with shotgun ?
1852343;1537403290;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform imo that was exactly what was going on.
1852344;1537403307;asciilifeform;valhalla always open for biznis.
1852345;1537403344;mircea_popescu;contrary to popular belief, no system ever in history could afford to field militarily relevant policemen. it's impossible.
1852346;1537403356;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ~erry arrest story i ever read featured some variant of 'then i slipped on banana'
1852347;1537403367;asciilifeform;seems like statistics favour this.
1852348;1537403368;mircea_popescu;killing a dozen cops or so per encounter comfortably within limits of training ; and this isn't even counting what they'll do to each other in crossfire.
1852349;1537403406;asciilifeform;recall the ex-cop black d00d in california
1852350;1537403407;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform where is the "slipped" ? "i went into berserker mode without my axe", this is not slipping. if you don't take a gun, you are aware you're not into that mode, yes ?
1852351;1537403412;mircea_popescu;he... FORGOT he didn't take his guns ?
1852352;1537403427;asciilifeform;lol maybe listened 1 too many times to 'dun take yer guns to town'..
1852353;1537403452;mircea_popescu;but i mean, logically. man wakes up in morning. "do i wish to die today or live another day ?" if answer comes out 2, he goes with no guns, AND ACTS ACCORDINGLY
1852354;1537403459;mircea_popescu;what, he forgot what answer had come to ?
1852355;1537403472;mircea_popescu;very poorly organised thought process, in the freeranged derp. hence my "man alone" comment.
1852356;1537403480;mircea_popescu;it's not that he was or was not in the physical presence of other biobatteries.
1852357;1537403482;asciilifeform;i'll admit, puzzled, with what then did he shoot the cops he was supposed to have shot
1852358;1537403490;mircea_popescu;it is that he never had anyone in his life to fucking tell him QUESTIONS FOLLOW IN A TREE!!!!
1852359;1537403519;asciilifeform;( am i mixing the eliots in my memory ? )
1852360;1537403523;mircea_popescu;if we decided 1, then we act as 1 throughout the respective tree, wtf is this random mix and matching.
1852361;1537403540;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i vaguely recall weirdo caught dumpster diving, dunno what cops he shot or w/e.
1852362;1537403600;asciilifeform;oh hah shot 0 cops
1852363;1537403605;asciilifeform;i had'im mixed with somebody.
1852364;1537403622;mircea_popescu;possibly with the http://trilema.com/2015/strategy-for-the-antisocial-struggle/ fellows.
1852365;1537403633;asciilifeform;not actually clear that rudolf did anyffing at all. ( confessed on the stake to long list of 'terrorisms' , naturally )
1852366;1537403637;asciilifeform;possib
1852367;1537403658;asciilifeform;'On April 8, 2005, the Department of Justice announced that Rudolph had agreed to a plea bargain under which he would plead guilty to all charges he was accused of in exchange for avoiding the death penalty' etc etc
1852368;1537403672;mircea_popescu;afaik bombed some abortion clinics.
1852369;1537403682;asciilifeform;or confessed to same, at any rate
1852370;1537403694;asciilifeform;( could have also made him confess to shooting kennedy, i have nfi why they didn't )
1852371;1537403697;mircea_popescu;stupidest fucking red herring to ever fixate on. really, they'll fight "the ideals of global socialism" by opposing the natural process of culling the herd ?
1852372;1537403716;asciilifeform;it's a unique ustardism, i suspect no white man will ever grasp it
1852373;1537403763;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1702374 etc.
1852374;1537403763;a111;Logged on 2017-08-22 19:35 mircea_popescu: and in other lulz, speaking of catholic latinas etc : the dispute between "progressives" and "christian fundamentalists" never ceases to amaze me. here you have two pantsuit groups which both agree with the fundamental pantsuit "every sperm is sacred". their disagreement is re when "every sperm is sacred" starts : the jesus pantsuit thinks it's at age -9 months ; the progre pantsuit thinks it's at - something, not quite 9 mon
1852375;1537403791;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: very strangely, in usa it is the ~protestant~ derps who go in for it.
1852376;1537403799;mircea_popescu;"we're gonna fight socialism because it's not socialist enough!!!"
1852377;1537403807;asciilifeform;hey, christians.
1852378;1537403834;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if you can be ever arsed to read that newman book i wrote, you'l;l discover (to no surprise) that the angicans were pretending to be "the real catholics" without saying so.
1852379;1537403846;asciilifeform;since henry 8, neh.
1852380;1537403850;mircea_popescu;the protestant derps don't protest in the sense you think ; but in the opposite of it.
1852381;1537403969;asciilifeform;'in February 2013, with help by his brother, Lulu.com published Rudolph's book Between the Lines of Drift: The Memoirs of a Militant, and in April 2013, the U.S. Attorney General seized $200 to help pay off the $1 million that Rudolph owes in restitution to the state of Alabama' << peditardia.
1852382;1537404083;mircea_popescu;im sorry, the newman book i linked, "loss and gain". i didn't wriote it lol.
1852383;1537404099;asciilifeform;i was confused for coupla millisecond lol
1852384;1537404109;asciilifeform;but allgood, ecc'd!11
1852385;1537404115;mircea_popescu;lol
1852386;1537404146;asciilifeform;( see also the immortal words: 'i was there! i did it' -- al gore, 9/11/01 )
1852387;1537404154;mircea_popescu;ouch.
1852388;1537404183;*;mircea_popescu  demonstratively pulls imaginary knife from ribcage
1852389;1537404198;asciilifeform;loll
1852390;1537404262;asciilifeform;!#s dornier
1852391;1537404262;a111;0 results for "dornier", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=dornier
1852392;1537404268;asciilifeform;hm could've sworn we did him
1852393;1537404354;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/UZmQK << at ~random , re subj. the california fella.
1852394;1537404401;asciilifeform;^ one of those magical creatures with indestructable, un-singeable passports that never drifts far from owner's charred corpse
1852395;1537404416;asciilifeform;sorta like the 9/11 fellas.
1852396;1537404475;asciilifeform;'If and when Dorner's body is identified, the LAPD will have to offer up some answers on the way this manhunt was handled—from Dorner's 2007 case, to the corruption allegations in his manifesto. And they'll have to explain why they fired upon innocent civilians who didn't even match Dorner's description. One civilian was shot by the Torrance police, and has since lawyered up...' << afaik all of this went to same /dev/null as mats's
1852397;1537404475;asciilifeform; thing earlier upthread.
1852398;1537404504;asciilifeform;'There's also seems to be a brewing controversy of how last night's blaze came to be and whether it was set deliberately.  In this clip, from KCAL 9 News in California, police can be heard saying "f*cking burn this motherfu*cker..."' << and ditto.
1852399;1537404521;asciilifeform;'no man, no problem'(tm)(r)
1852400;1537404533;mats;cops had authoritah to set his cabin on fire, didn’t want to risk breaching and getting shot again
1852401;1537404568;asciilifeform;mats: this was not a traditional policing method in usa prior, but then again clinton introduced it at waco, so precedent.
1852402;1537404595;asciilifeform;'hande hoch, partizanen', like in the last reich
1852403;1537404629;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-20#1852394 << those were pretty good. like the white hat that never gets stained (i have some white hats, they don't work like wayne's) and the cowboy horse that never gets a sprained ankle.
1852404;1537404629;a111;Logged on 2018-09-20 00:46 asciilifeform: ^ one of those magical creatures with indestructable, un-singeable passports that never drifts far from owner's charred corpse
1852405;1537404654;asciilifeform;aha, sold in the same shop as the self-setting tablecloth and 7league boots and other fine goodies
1852406;1537404657;mats;cops don’t want to be meatshields, so ofc deploy cs gas canisters to induce fire, or send robot to breach with pound of c4
1852407;1537404674;asciilifeform;mats: begs the q, why not drop nuke from air.
1852408;1537404684;asciilifeform;definitely no cowboy survives direct nuke.
1852409;1537404705;asciilifeform;in fact why not nuke whole set of subjects preventively.
1852410;1537404709;asciilifeform;0 criminals then.
1852411;1537404726;mircea_popescu;amusingly, this is the point where empire and republic converge.
1852412;1537404731;asciilifeform;ikr?
1852413;1537404765;mircea_popescu;empire's "killing everyone is an acceptable end state of avoiding suffering" doesn't conflict with republic's "killing everyone in empire entirely acceptable end state"
1852414;1537404832;mats;‘rules of engagement’
1852415;1537404910;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-26#1072977 << oblig fyootoorism
1852416;1537404910;a111;Logged on 2015-03-26 20:43 asciilifeform: one to break doors, gates; one to threaten bystanders, if any, with 'accidental' fire; one to shoot; and perhaps one with a cage that arrestee -might- be permitted to surrender into, if the bot's voice-recognition system works and if orders included a possible live capture
1852417;1537404951;mircea_popescu;the only problem with this "fyootoorism" is how utterly unsustainable it is.
1852418;1537404954;phf;asciilifeform: there are `set it on fire' incidents predating waco. john africa's MOVE compound in philadelphia was set on fire after a standoff in 1985
1852419;1537404963;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: dun keep'em from trying, eh
1852420;1537404982;asciilifeform;phf: i dun for a moment suspect that 'set'em all on fire, let god sort out' is new.
1852421;1537405011;mircea_popescu;was this back wehn last of white police was fighthing "black extremism" ?
1852422;1537405016;asciilifeform;phf: but there was a short period in ustard history where they (mostly) maintained appearances of 'hey we aint nazi, not at all'
1852423;1537405032;mod6;megal0g today. nice.
1852424;1537405054;phf;well, sure, but this is re "traditional us policing methods", lots of these tactics were first employed against "black exstrimists"
1852425;1537405055;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/have-you-gone-pussy-free-560x462.jpg ?
1852426;1537405070;asciilifeform;phf: against the indians, lol, if we go back enuff
1852427;1537405094;mircea_popescu;phf the only sadness is that something as ridiculous as a sf-hack cult predated the republican infiltration of fbi etc.
1852428;1537405100;mircea_popescu;but, yes. little new under sun.
1852429;1537405371;asciilifeform;fdr et al pulled epic pr stunt on their moomoos , convinced 'we're softer, gentler, not at all like germany' while burning down entire of e.g. jp , etc . pretense carried on for a spell, retooled 'we aint at all like evil moscuvy' , then finally dispensed with entirely when obsolete
1852430;1537405393;phf;one of the move ladies runs a "raw foods" shop in west philadelphia, she don't talk about it much though. i had an amusing conversation with one of her locals, who, unprompted, went on a long rant about how bitcoin is a weapon against babylon, and how fbi is going to start killing bitcoin people, etc.
1852431;1537405400;asciilifeform;erry scam has finite life.
1852432;1537405424;asciilifeform;phf: lol, 'will start'
1852433;1537405458;mircea_popescu;phf apparently the obviousness of who's whose daddy shines through even functionally illiterate, weed-whacked heads.
1852434;1537405503;asciilifeform;speaking of which, smell of weed has become ~inescapable in washingtonistan. even in stopped traffic at lights, windows ~closed~, seeps in from neighbouring columns
1852435;1537405527;asciilifeform;~erry 3rd open window on ~erry street, nearly
1852436;1537405543;asciilifeform;shops, taxis, toilets, pretty much errywhere
1852437;1537405590;mircea_popescu;sounds like victory.
1852438;1537405598;asciilifeform;for some value of victory..
1852439;1537405607;mircea_popescu;victory of socialism.
1852440;1537405623;asciilifeform;i dun think it is (yet) handed out for phreee, so possibly notyet
1852441;1537405691;mircea_popescu;earlier at pool, "i suspect most us relationships start between drug dealer and drug customer. certainly better basis than met-at-club or w./e" "sure, dating dealer great way to get free pot" "honey... hanging out with potheads great way to get free pot anyways."
1852442;1537405703;mircea_popescu;afaik always handed out for free
1852443;1537405711;asciilifeform;'1st one phree'
1852444;1537405728;mod6;charge it to the game
1852445;1537405732;mircea_popescu;^
1852446;1537405738;asciilifeform;( 90001st one , i expect, also phree, if yer a 20s chix )
1852447;1537405856;mircea_popescu;you really think women have it easier than you in erry which way, don't you!
1852448;1537405878;mircea_popescu;bros before hos, yo! i'd bet you easier to bum pot as a dood than as a chick.
1852449;1537406434;asciilifeform;i have concretely nfi actually
1852450;1537406554;*;asciilifeform reasons from kindergarten 1stprinciple, 'penniless chix has with what to pay stranger, bloke - not'
1852451;1537406586;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-19#1851528 << incidentally, i'm so curious what comes of this...
1852452;1537406586;a111;Logged on 2018-09-19 01:08 Mocky: got my flight booked. will be on layover at heathrow for 15hrs on oct 8th
1852453;1537406623;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform your 1st principles are deeply broken. there's no shortage of cunt and ample shortage of erections, for the very necessary functioning of biology.
1852454;1537406639;mircea_popescu;you're what, proposing injuns are killing the pilgrims in trade ?
1852455;1537406643;asciilifeform;this does not closely align with the reality experienced by d00dz who aint mircea_popescu ..
1852456;1537406660;mircea_popescu;what the injuns have everyone has ; what the pilgrims have, shiny beads and all, nobody, not even the gods, ever saw before.
1852457;1537406698;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, but in order to achieve this effect, those d00dz sit on truly tall tower of chairs.
1852458;1537406823;asciilifeform;dunno, i thought mircea_popescu were adherent of (imho reasonable..) 'most males good only for mutton' pov
1852459;1537406866;mircea_popescu;these conflict ?
1852460;1537406871;Mocky;mircea_popescu, why curious about that?
1852461;1537406884;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: possibly, or possibly i'm missing a link in the logic circuit
1852462;1537406884;mircea_popescu;Mocky i mean of the whole adventure, not the item specifically
1852463;1537406901;Mocky;ahh. me too!
1852464;1537406920;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the 'tower of chairs' item implies 'if only they'd open their third eye, would swim in cunt' hypothesis
1852465;1537406938;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform seems to me that "there's 0.95 peni for every cunt and while the latter works continuously, the former only works minutes/day" is not dulled but aggravated by coda "and on top of this most peni connected to apparatus only fit for mutton"
1852466;1537406998;asciilifeform;well for 1 thing the former dun work 'continuously', it works for 2, maybe 3 decades of organism, with rare exception. while latter good for ~40-50
1852467;1537407010;asciilifeform;and ~continuously
1852468;1537407032;mircea_popescu;no fucking way.
1852469;1537407034;mod6;astroglide
1852470;1537407037;asciilifeform;lol
1852471;1537407055;asciilifeform;mod6: + drill, tree...
1852472;1537407082;mircea_popescu;i dunno where these dataz are got from.
1852473;1537407083;mod6;= slivers
1852474;1537407099;asciilifeform;cork tree.
1852475;1537407110;asciilifeform;( suitcase, airport, portugal!11 )
1852476;1537407211;asciilifeform;but re mircea_popescu's observation upstack : it is elementarily true... in a harem. where yes sultan cock is limiting reactant.
1852477;1537407248;asciilifeform;sorta hao in neutronic star, somewhat different conditions than on my desk.
1852478;1537407260;mircea_popescu;oh i see.
1852479;1537407294;mircea_popescu;im still mindblown you think girlbits stop working sometime in 30s.
1852480;1537407310;asciilifeform;hey, engineer must!11 operate on pessimistic margins.
1852481;1537407324;asciilifeform;'maybe bridge will carry 500 tanks, but i'ma say 50'
1852482;1537407368;mircea_popescu;seems to be that there's a deeper, darker underlying of that dunbar number :
1852483;1537407381;mircea_popescu;as it turns out, the average female can take up to about maybe 100 dudes in a day.
1852484;1537407386;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the particular physical constant aside, some good % , appears , ~never start~ working
1852485;1537407391;mircea_popescu;and THIS may actually be EXPLANATORY.\
1852486;1537407391;asciilifeform;'nedeflorena' et al
1852487;1537407409;asciilifeform;hey if correctly strapped, down, maybe take 300
1852488;1537407421;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform necessarily female sexual activity is socially downregulated. hence all these things you speak of.
1852489;1537407422;asciilifeform;i do not know the current record
1852490;1537407434;mircea_popescu;outliers exist, but no, ~100 is the outer bound.
1852491;1537407451;mircea_popescu;"record" events do things like fluffers etc, which...
1852492;1537407486;asciilifeform;100 is typical company at arms, so i suspect that's where the estimate comes from
1852493;1537407521;mircea_popescu;company at arms way the fuck ulterior.
1852494;1537407522;asciilifeform;and iirc waffen ss did not need 'fluffers'
1852495;1537407526;asciilifeform;nor red army in berlin
1852496;1537407539;mircea_popescu;rape in berlin ~never ammounted to 100 doods fuck this one chick.
1852497;1537407573;asciilifeform;it isnt clear to me why to bother when you have a whole berlin, aha
1852498;1537407578;asciilifeform;so i suspect that we do not know the limit.
1852499;1537407595;mircea_popescu;anthropology has its problems.
1852500;1537407626;asciilifeform;speaking of which,
1852501;1537407627;*;asciilifeform bbl
1852502;1537417868;mircea_popescu;hanbot http://trilema.com/2010/ce-imi-doresc-eu-pe-2011/#comment-126705 << the internets never forget.
1852503;1537418981;hanbot;haha especially if you will'em not to
1852504;1537419101;mircea_popescu;kek
1852505;1537419128;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in vaguely-related to last convo, the epic http://trilema.com/2015/a-lingering-suspicion/#selection-329.0-329.74
1852506;1537419143;mircea_popescu;("The female trait is that it sucks living in your country, how about that.")
1852507;1537452669;asciilifeform;guten morgen mircea_popescu
1852508;1537452803;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/deranged-neets/ << Trilema - Deranged neets...
1852509;1537453275;asciilifeform;in other misc noose, chinese nao sell a 10inch spi-interfaced eink display thing with <1s refresh, fits on e.g. our rk3328-roc-cc board without solderings. theoretically a lappy can be hand-sewn .
1852510;1537453385;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/V18OJ << subj. 1200×825.
1852511;1537453428;asciilifeform;also worx as desktop display ( prolly would need a kernel framebuffer diddle tho )
1852512;1537453524;asciilifeform;item did not exist 2wks ago ( asciilifeform has a semi-automated process to look for certain things if they happen to be born )
1852513;1537453784;asciilifeform;( you won't play 'doom' on a 1hz monitor, but e.g. emacs , will work )
1852514;1537453875;asciilifeform;these items have partial redraw, so in principle text-based items would work properly.
1852515;1537454126;mircea_popescu;hola!
1852516;1537455004;mod6; board without solderings. theoretically a lappy can be hand-sewn .
1852517;1537455027;mod6;whoops.
1852518;1537455029;mod6;mornin'
1852519;1537455126;mod6;that's pretty neat alf
1852520;1537455139;Mocky;eink display is quite interesting. i've been a fan for some time, still using 2nd gen kindle to this day
1852521;1537456716;BingoBoingo;Nice find
1852522;1537457541;asciilifeform;Mocky: i've been using'em for yrs, for reading txt. but nobody ever afaik sold a lappy with one, 'because winblows mouse cursor will snailtrail' and such
1852523;1537457794;asciilifeform;Mocky: so happens that i stare at a screen up to 14h/d and would prefer that it reflect, rather than emit, light, but i've yet to meet device that would properly replace lcd for e.g. emacsing. possibly will exist.
1852524;1537457806;Mocky;yeah, fantastic tradeoffs for a pretty narrow set of uses. even a console application for example will be pretty much unreadable during a period of heavy text spew. which you obviously know
1852525;1537457822;asciilifeform;not as if spew is that readable even on fast display
1852526;1537457842;asciilifeform;spew is rubbish, if the contents are important you'll buffer'em
1852527;1537457857;Mocky;quite so
1852528;1537457989;asciilifeform;Mocky: the contents of my lcd's, move very little, would quite handily work on 'epaper'. if it came in metre size..
1852529;1537458252;asciilifeform;the upstack item however is mainly of interest to laptopists -- as it draws 0 current when not updating.
1852530;1537458559;asciilifeform;in other lulz, the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-19#1852183 lulgem develops into https://archive.is/Ooj6I
1852531;1537458559;a111;Logged on 2018-09-19 20:15 asciilifeform: or even as mundane as refusal to play 'death ray seller' stooge role in $provocation-of-the-day
1852532;1537458578;asciilifeform;'may have fled to Taipei after he was tipped off' etc
1852533;1537458589;asciilifeform;'mysteriously missed his scheduled flight back to America'
1852534;1537458733;BingoBoingo;Also upstack: Official reason for closing Solar Observatory is Solar Child Porn
1852535;1537459281;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/09/us-progre-senate-candidate-to-black-man-us-needs-cotton-pickers/ << Qntra - US Progre Senate Candidate To Black Man: US Needs Cotton Pickers
1852536;1537460420;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: link?
1852537;1537460559;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform:  https://archive.is/OpJ1X
1852538;1537461194;asciilifeform;'The warrant issued by a U.S. magistrate in Las Cruces, New Mexico, showed that on Sept. 14 agents removed from the man’s home three cell phones, five laptops, one iPad, an external hard drive, 16 thumb drives, 89 compact flash disks and other material' << notbad.jpg toybox for 'janitor under contract to clean the facility'
1852539;1537461301;*;asciilifeform suspects that all usg 'confiscate errything' letterhead nao is perma-stamped 'child pr0n investigation'
1852540;1537461511;asciilifeform;moar peculiarly, 'The FBI told Reuters that the suspect has not been arrested or charged with a crime...'
1852541;1537465465;BingoBoingo;Maybe he is in Formosa as well?
1852542;1537465608;asciilifeform;or maybe not dumb enuff to 'escape' to usg's 'unsinkable carrier'(tm)(r) whoknows
1852543;1537465755;BingoBoingo;The places's most noted export is a particularly destructive species of termite, they can sink
1852544;1537465772;asciilifeform;lol that and ~80% of the ic's sold errywhere
1852545;1537465863;BingoBoingo;details
1852546;1537465874;asciilifeform;lol
1852547;1537465980;BingoBoingo;And the termites will prolly last longer
1852548;1537465990;asciilifeform;termites are 4evah.
1852549;1537466350;mats;fun fact, tw started work on a nuclear power plant and construction has been stopped since 2014 due to the tsai admin, which wants to phase nuclear power out entirely by mid 2020s
1852550;1537466366;mats;instead, they want to build more LNG terminals
1852551;1537466370;mats;l0l
1852552;1537466709;mats;one of the policies on the platform is reducing dependence on the mainland, not sure how increasing energy dependence on foreign suppliers is helpful
1852553;1537466839;asciilifeform;mats: usg colony, what do you expect
1852554;1537466847;asciilifeform;( who sells lng. )
1852555;1537466886;mats;uk also stands to consume a lot of usa lng, if brexit no deal, i think
1852556;1537466980;PeterL;diana_coman: http://ossasepia.com/2018/02/15/eucrypt-chapter-10-oaep-with-keccak-a-la-tmsr/comment-page-1/#comment-4218
1852557;1537467181;mats;they also approved a new coal plant
1852558;1537467391;mats;tw, that is
1852559;1537467793;mats;https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/2159989/new-id-card-will-give-hong-kong-macau-and-taiwan-residents added just in time as taiwan becomes less livable
1852560;1537468810;deedbot;http://bimbo.club/?p=18 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 9/10/2018
1852561;1537469692;asciilifeform;!Q later tell nicoleci did not take http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-19#1852187 advice ? dun say nobody warned , when that thing croaks
1852562;1537469692;a111;Logged on 2018-09-19 20:18 asciilifeform: ( imho they also oughta be to something other than Framedragger's logtron, which i suspect is not long to live )
1852563;1537469692;lobbesbot;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1852564;1537470942;mats;i take back what i said about uk, that’s wrong
1852565;1537482735;asciilifeform;in other phunkpakt, a freebsd box set up to defaults will piss out about 500MB/yr in liquishit into /var/spool/clientmqueue , which ( given no sendmail on box, because why the fuck ) slowly fills, and after $years will fill disk. ( at which point , if you're asciilifeform and its yer house router, whole orchestra goes down, and you gotta clean it... )
1852566;1537482855;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in very very other lulz,
1852567;1537482873;asciilifeform;apparently i was still subscribed to... urbit ml. where today we learn that : 'The tooling around the PKI transition to Ethereum is coming along nicely. Contracts are pretty much frozen. It’s all UI and key generation now.'
1852568;1537482876;asciilifeform;didjaknow!
1852569;1537482934;asciilifeform;oh oh and let's not fughet : '... improved HTTPS proxying and fresh crypto jets.'
1852570;1537483565;asciilifeform;( for expert entomologists strictly ! ) http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/cqjcB/?raw=true << from the horse's mouth, re how and when the 2 scams merged together. ( derp blocks archivers, as if this does him some good )
1852571;1537491154;mircea_popescu;there is a legitimate argument for lng, which is : traditional liquid hydrocarbon cocktails auto-ignite in the 200-250 range.
1852572;1537491164;mircea_popescu;methane autoignites >500.
1852573;1537491183;mircea_popescu;this matters immensely in engine design. in point of fact you can have better large engines (in therms of, hp per cc) with lng.
1852574;1537491238;mircea_popescu;requires turbo, of course.
1852575;1537491346;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-20#1852565 << freebsd is a piece of shit, just like all the others.
1852576;1537491346;a111;Logged on 2018-09-20 22:32 asciilifeform: in other phunkpakt, a freebsd box set up to defaults will piss out about 500MB/yr in liquishit into /var/spool/clientmqueue , which ( given no sendmail on box, because why the fuck ) slowly fills, and after $years will fill disk. ( at which point , if you're asciilifeform and its yer house router, whole orchestra goes down, and you gotta clean it... )
1852577;1537494463;asciilifeform;point wasnt 'lnx sux', was re usg's various ploys to sell their expensive lng against cheaper ru item
1852578;1537494470;asciilifeform;*lng
1852579;1537494586;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-21#1852575 << in moar ways than one. but this , was simply mindboggling, default is to slowly fill disk with eggogola , and guesswat, tail GB of it was... warnings of impending fulldisk!
1852580;1537494586;a111;Logged on 2018-09-21 00:55 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-20#1852565 << freebsd is a piece of shit, just like all the others.
1852581;1537494739;mircea_popescu;holy shit, freenode's been egregiously shitty past week or so
1852582;1537494879;mod6;evenin' Lords and Ladies
1852583;1537494890;mod6;ole mod6 thought it was all over tonight.
1852584;1537494900;mircea_popescu;eh ?!
1852585;1537494923;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the thing is though, in all mineral markets, he who sells last sells best.
1852586;1537494924;mod6;Was in the back of the Towncar, got hammered from behind, carrened into the back of some other guy.
1852587;1537494937;mod6;Cars were totaled.
1852588;1537494946;mod6;Everyone walked away amazingly enough.
1852589;1537494963;mod6;Got checked out, but hurtin'.
1852590;1537494973;mod6;Otherwise, will be ok.
1852591;1537494975;mod6;Fuck cars.
1852592;1537495003;mircea_popescu;wow.
1852593;1537495005;lobbes;oof. congrats on staying alive
1852594;1537495007;Mocky;oh man, i'm glad you're ok
1852595;1537495032;mod6;Cheers Mocky
1852596;1537495038;mod6;thx lobbes
1852597;1537495052;mircea_popescu;yeh wd!
1852598;1537495056;mod6;Yeah, that sucked.  I was reading the logs on the phone...
1852599;1537495059;mod6;*POOOW*
1852600;1537495070;mod6;didn't know what the fuck even happened. lol.
1852601;1537495106;mod6;I smashed my face so hard on the head-rest in front of me.
1852602;1537495118;lobbes;few years ago I was t-boned while going through a green light by some taxi driver without a license. totaled my car and I remember one of his passengers fleeing the scene. always a 'wtf' moment
1852603;1537495118;mod6;My teeth actually hurt, and I think that's the weirdest part.
1852604;1537495137;lobbes;couldn't hurt to see a dentist
1852605;1537495141;mod6;damn lobbes, that sounds horribru
1852606;1537495159;lobbes;also no injuries though. always got to be thankful for that
1852607;1537495251;BingoBoingo;Congrats on living mod6
1852608;1537495327;mod6;Thanks, Sir.
1852609;1537495336;mod6;lobbes: yeah, that shit tends to linger too.
1852610;1537495360;mod6;i got hit by a car back in 2005 and it took nearly 10 years to get better.
1852611;1537495386;mod6;i mean not constant pain, but pretty bad for the first 2-3 years after that.
1852612;1537495497;mircea_popescu;that sucks.
1852613;1537495545;mod6;yeah, well, fuggit.
1852614;1537495559;*;mod6 goes to read the logs without getting blasted in the ass.
1852615;1537496222;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/09/african-american-woman-mass-shoots-maryland-distribution-center/ << Qntra - African American Woman Mass Shoots Maryland Distribution Center
1852616;1537496596;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-20#1852565 << this is the most annoying shit of all time.
1852617;1537496596;a111;Logged on 2018-09-20 22:32 asciilifeform: in other phunkpakt, a freebsd box set up to defaults will piss out about 500MB/yr in liquishit into /var/spool/clientmqueue , which ( given no sendmail on box, because why the fuck ) slowly fills, and after $years will fill disk. ( at which point , if you're asciilifeform and its yer house router, whole orchestra goes down, and you gotta clean it... )
1852618;1537497061;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo may i suggest also including something about how rite aid's motto is "With Us, It's Personal" ?
1852619;1537497188;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: updated
1852620;1537497264;mircea_popescu;lulzy
1852621;1537497333;BingoBoingo;tyvm
1852622;1537497354;BingoBoingo;alf dropped the lead in the lead box
1852623;1537501118;hanbot;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-21#1852587 << yikes! glad you're alright.
1852624;1537501118;a111;Logged on 2018-09-21 01:55 mod6: Cars were totaled.
1852625;1537510772;diana_coman;mod6, glad to hear you are fine!
1852626;1537512355;deedbot;http://bimbo.club/?p=19 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 9/11/2018
1852627;1537535233;BingoBoingo;goog mor
1852628;1537535249;BingoBoingo;good morning
1852629;1537536307;asciilifeform;ohai BingoBoingo
1852630;1537536332;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-21#1852586 << sounds painful, mod6 , lucky escape.
1852631;1537536332;a111;Logged on 2018-09-21 01:55 mod6: Was in the back of the Towncar, got hammered from behind, carrened into the back of some other guy.
1852632;1537538548;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: papers for clearing customs have been submitted
1852633;1537540476;mod6;morning all.
1852634;1537540487;mod6;thanks hanbot, diana_coman, asciilifeform
1852635;1537540507;mod6;Thanks for the update BingoBoingo
1852636;1537540881;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: ty !
1852637;1537543976;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/09/rental-agency-in-taiwan-breaks-rental-agreement-after-receiving-deposit/ << Qntra - Rental Agency In Taiwan Breaks Rental Agreement After Receiving Deposit
1852638;1537547098;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i expect wilson will be rolled in a cage through washington soon enuff..
1852639;1537547135;BingoBoingo;And all the while scam rental agency pockets the dough
1852640;1537547161;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-12#1049444 << see also the classics.
1852641;1537547161;a111;Logged on 2015-03-12 01:41 asciilifeform: 'Bien Darkmans then, Bouse Mort and Ken The bien Coves bings awast, On Chates to trine by Rome-Coves dine, For his long lib at last.'
1852642;1537547211;asciilifeform;^ 16th c. english rogue's ballad, discusses (among other) how hangmen divvy up the clothes of the dangler
1852643;1537547243;asciilifeform;was substantial job perk, in the days when a plebe owned 1 shirt
1852644;1537547349;asciilifeform;btw i'm curious what trinque thinks, of how in his enlightened texas, whoring ~per se~ apparently is banned
1852645;1537547572;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-08#1848783 << >> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/rjqUZ/?raw=true << Back on the 8th I posted this possible manifest.txt file for trb.  It's now been zapped, but I made a new one with updated block heights for all.
1852646;1537547572;a111;Logged on 2018-09-08 23:31 mod6: Hi all, I wanted to get some review, on this manifest file that would be introduced into trb.  It would be placed inside the 'bitcoin' directory along the 'Makefile' and 'src' directories.  It follows trinque's proposal here: http://trinque.org/2018/06/02/v-manifest-specification
1852647;1537547649;mod6;asciilifeform: Will you do me a favor and just look over the thing and let me know if you would like to see any changes, or if I missed something?
1852648;1537547693;asciilifeform;mod6: it loox to be superficially correct; tho how come genesis only shows mp's sig
1852649;1537547702;asciilifeform;or didja simply pick 1 for each.
1852650;1537547722;mod6;Yeah, I just picked once since the standard basically said "author".
1852651;1537547749;mod6;And I can't quite recall if it was you, me, mp or whose we actually used.
1852652;1537547766;asciilifeform;technically asciilifeform was responsible for 'chicken' ( the procedure whereby mp's 0.5.3.tar.gz was transformed into genesis but if mircea_popescu is willing to answer for it, i have 0 prob, lol )
1852653;1537547808;mod6;aha. ok.
1852654;1537547957;mod6;I'm gonna check the ML again here then
1852655;1537548059;asciilifeform;mod6: it doesn't tickle me in any direction whether memorialized as 'original' author of given patch, but it does help folx to know in what order to ask questions, when they know who wrote orig versions of $item, when and why
1852656;1537548088;mod6;Sure.
1852657;1537548131;asciilifeform;in principle ( and as elaborately explained by mircea_popescu in old thread i cannot just nao locate.. ) if you signed a patch -- you are willing to stand up , same as orig author, and explain wtf it does and why .
1852658;1537548136;mod6;Looks like ya, yours was the orig.  Ima make that change here quick, and that'll be it.  Then will move to make the excise_hash_truncation vpatch & seal.
1852659;1537548177;asciilifeform;so , to elaborate, for n00bz, when e.g. mircea_popescu signed the genesis, it shows that he grasped it and is able to explain how it was made just as well as e.g. asciilifeform could.
1852660;1537548238;mod6;Ok, here's the updated version: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/TzQn9/?raw=true
1852661;1537549234;mod6;bbl, meat
1852662;1537551718;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-21#1852638 << he's the sort of moron whose plan upon finding out the usg is trying to kidnap him is to... go to a "rental agency".
1852663;1537551718;a111;Logged on 2018-09-21 16:24 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i expect wilson will be rolled in a cage through washington soon enuff..
1852664;1537551730;mircea_popescu;because he owns no local whores, because he has no contacts, because his entire existence is predicated on being a schmuck.
1852665;1537551733;mircea_popescu;"kind of a big deal"
1852666;1537551750;mircea_popescu;now tell me again all about how you "can't" take local gfs all over the world etcetera.
1852667;1537551753;mircea_popescu;neither could this schmuck.
1852668;1537551759;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i suspect he was denominated ~100% in remotely-confiscatolade, also
1852669;1537551775;mircea_popescu;if you "can't", you never left. that's what leaving is, caning.
1852670;1537551811;BingoBoingo;Not only that, couldn't even find a hostel or pension
1852671;1537551820;mircea_popescu;or you know, an old lady.
1852672;1537551824;BingoBoingo;Right
1852673;1537551836;mircea_popescu;but it's not a matter of "couldn't". it's a matter of fucking WOULDNT.
1852674;1537551847;mircea_popescu;fucktard goes about "being a big deal", without as much as the voice capability.
1852675;1537551869;mircea_popescu;what big deal ? 0 deal.
1852676;1537551879;asciilifeform;1 version going around tardosphere is that he didn't even escape, but regularly went to tw on biznis and simply happened to be marooned there when gassing time came
1852677;1537551910;mircea_popescu;cody schmuckson === nazi aurenheimer === http://trilema.com/2018/deranged-neets/ === http://trilema.com/2018/must-suck-to-be-one-of-you-average-guy-with-a-great-sense-of-humor-losers-seriously-now/
1852678;1537551926;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i dun auto-buy the deposition of the usg.whore re d00d's supposed words tho
1852679;1537551934;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and if you regularly go there you ALWAYS eat at mcdo and ALWAYS deal with usg.bank and ALWAYS etc ?
1852680;1537551937;asciilifeform;for all i know he never saw a whore and never uttered 'big deal'
1852681;1537551946;mircea_popescu;he's the most loyal subject a reich could have.
1852682;1537551979;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform meshes up with his usual self-important spew.
1852683;1537551985;asciilifeform;now this, yes
1852684;1537552044;mircea_popescu;but whatever, for all we know his actual words were "i'm a bit of an mircea_popescu", like http://trilema.com/2018/the-catfishing-story/ moron.
1852685;1537552088;asciilifeform;what i dunget is, tard or not, why confess to a whore, why not say 'i'ma an accountant' if pressed.
1852686;1537552111;asciilifeform;if story is even half troo, d00d is as dumb as that general.
1852687;1537552143;mircea_popescu;cuz teenagers are teenagers before they're whores.
1852688;1537552160;mircea_popescu;kinda how there's no airplane pilots that happen to be 5yo, but vice-versa.
1852689;1537552332;asciilifeform;i used to have an aquarium, had fish that also 'escaped' just like wilson.
1852690;1537552823;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo fellow was too good for a hostel, see. he could only stay at place remax citywell (taipei subsidiary) certified as stayable-by-zek.
1852691;1537552845;mircea_popescu;he can't read trilema, he can only read what clinton says he can read. he can't fucking eat, unless the Czar of Wendy blesses it.
1852692;1537552871;mircea_popescu;then these fuckfaces wanna talk about "cults". the zek cult is something beyond the pale, they can't ANYTHING without their priest.
1852693;1537552933;mircea_popescu;his own fucking tongue & palate be damned, he can't fuckinfg sit down and ingurgitate unless there's a certificate-of-ustardation involved. cramped, dirty, stupid, whatever.
1852694;1537553001;BingoBoingo;Sure, seriously though, not only that. An apartment lease implies "sort of a big deal" thinks indefinite exile in Taiwan is defensible!
1852695;1537553018;mircea_popescu;it's a wonder of wonders they can hurt without "united states scammer service" permittign the operation. how the fuck my whips and paddles work with or without usg blessing is THE WONDER OF OUR AGE
1852696;1537553059;mircea_popescu;that anyone even fucking refers to usg.usms with a straight face as anything OTHER than "those ridiculous conmonkeys" is incomprehensible. aren't these the fucks that "sold" "bitcoin" they "confiscated" at "auction" ?
1852697;1537553085;mircea_popescu;what, we forgot or something ? memory hole effect, "marshal service" back to respectability, can not be laughed into ground ?
1852698;1537553226;asciilifeform;lol respectability, when was this
1852699;1537553249;asciilifeform;afaik was always usg's black bag hit squad an' stolen goodz fencer
1852700;1537553268;mircea_popescu;i dunno, people act like it's some sort of a thing.
1852701;1537553287;mircea_popescu;mindboggling.
1852702;1537553307;deedbot;http://bimbo.club/?p=20 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 9/12/2018
1852703;1537553332;asciilifeform;depending on what 'is a thing', it is or not
1852704;1537553351;asciilifeform;( is ebola a thing ? if yer in zaire, then yes )
1852705;1537553376;mircea_popescu;aaanyways.
1852706;1537553659;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at the lulz farm, "i briefly clicked". this is a thing now.
1852707;1537553705;asciilifeform;i think i also 'briefly clicked' a coupla times, then cleaned the mouse in ccl4 and nomoar
1852708;1537554729;*;diana_coman already sees the log summary: "Asciilifeform cleaned the mouse in ccl4 after briefly clicked."
1852709;1537554766;diana_coman;nicoleci, I think my comment is in your blog's moderation queue
1852710;1537554842;mircea_popescu;:D
1852711;1537555005;BingoBoingo; I'm enjoying the increasing quality of the summaries
1852712;1537555167;mircea_popescu;is it ?
1852713;1537555374;BingoBoingo;Not incredibly, but there appears to be an increase in the number of threads she is identifying. Baby steps.
1852714;1537555386;mircea_popescu;nice.
1852715;1537557469;asciilifeform;i cant even say that i entirely dislike nicoleci's methods.. ( if her mircea_popescu apprenticeship dun work out, i bet she can find wurk packaging-the-defective-transistors-separately(tm) ... )
1852716;1537557764;mircea_popescu;oh, i'm sure she can find work.
1852717;1537557811;asciilifeform;i means specifically that 'japanese' approach. it has merit.
1852718;1537557817;mircea_popescu;she was making what, 100k a year in the empire before giving it all up for 5 colones / day and anal rape.
1852719;1537559002;asciilifeform;!Q later tell diana_coman http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2557 updated with udp_errata.asciilifeform.vpatch/sig ( still old-fashioned v, for nao ) , minor corrections discussed in prev thread
1852720;1537559002;lobbesbot;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1852721;1537559035;*;asciilifeform brb,meat
1852722;1537560080;asciilifeform;!Q later tell phf plox to snarf 'errata' vpatch in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2557 , ty
1852723;1537560080;lobbesbot;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1852724;1537560119;asciilifeform;grrrr broken sig, 1s
1852725;1537560167;asciilifeform;..now fixed !
1852726;1537560269;asciilifeform;i'ma move this item to new-type v, eventually ( if diana_coman publishes a new-type regrind of it as part of smg , i'ma sign that and repost , or otherwise later )
1852727;1537560383;*;asciilifeform fixed mistake in the press instruction also.
1852728;1537560561;*;asciilifeform reground errata & reposted, was missing chronicle entry. nao good to eat.
1852729;1537560891;asciilifeform;for the l0gz : http://www.loper-os.org/pub/other/libudp/udp_errata.asciilifeform.vpatch http://www.loper-os.org/pub/other/libudp/udp_errata.asciilifeform.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig .
1852730;1537561008;asciilifeform;next item i write , will have proper trinqueian manifest .
1852731;1537561535;asciilifeform;meanwhile in vintage trilema lotto , http://trilema.com/2013/the-cold-war-experts-over-here-are-having-a-ball-these-days/
1852732;1537561735;mircea_popescu;"Let's see if I can get myself into some sort of boating accident by providing some cliffnotes to the general public."
1852733;1537561739;mircea_popescu;apparently... nope, can't.
1852734;1537563368;deedbot;http://bingology.net/2018/09/21/notes-for-republican-pioneers-roughly-9-ish-months-in/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog - Notes For Republican Pioneers Roughly 9-ish Months In
1852735;1537563411;BingoBoingo;^ Attn Mocky
1852736;1537563432;Mocky;ahh, will take a look
1852737;1537563494;BingoBoingo;Feel free to adjust particulars (i.e. rain protection) to your destination's climate.
1852738;1537564022;diana_coman;asciilifeform, thanks!
1852739;1537564023;lobbesbot;diana_coman: Sent 1 hour and 23 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2557 updated with udp_errata.asciilifeform.vpatch/sig ( still old-fashioned v, for nao ) , minor corrections discussed in prev thread
1852740;1537564302;asciilifeform;diana_coman: np. and lemme know if you catch sumthing i missed.
1852741;1537564475;PeterL;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-21#1852660 << why is it upside down?
1852742;1537564475;a111;Logged on 2018-09-21 16:43 mod6: Ok, here's the updated version: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/TzQn9/?raw=true
1852743;1537565409;mircea_popescu;yeah srsly. append-at-end style mod6
1852744;1537565839;mircea_popescu;check out BingoBoingo , he's outwriting lafond now.
1852745;1537565869;BingoBoingo;I think he still beats me at words per day
1852746;1537566365;mircea_popescu;in this sense, the loros, also.
1852747;1537577619;BingoBoingo; And in other culture wars, two Tom Clancy books are getting movie adaptations with the lead part being coal dusted to accomodate a diverse lead
1852748;1537585501;phf;ave1: i'm getting the following error http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/49Tie/?raw=true when building ada-musl-cross-2018-06-01. i feel like it came up before, but i'm having hard time finding the thread
1852749;1537585502;lobbesbot;phf: Sent 7 hours and 3 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> plox to snarf 'errata' vpatch in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2557 , ty
1852750;1537585511;phf;asciilifeform: snarfed
1852751;1537585706;phf;ave1: this is trying to build on a glibc x86_64 debian 8.10
1852752;1537592451;mircea_popescu;this fucking country...
1852753;1537592466;mircea_popescu;i might be the only outfit with three different internet providers, still can't get reliable internet.
1852754;1537597107;deedbot;http://bimbo.club/?p=21 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 9/13/2018
1852755;1537599099;mircea_popescu;!!up nicoleci
1852756;1537599099;deedbot;nicoleci voiced for 30 minutes.
1852757;1537599239;nicoleci;asciilifeform: i changed the links to btcbase, thanks for letting me know re framedragger
1852758;1537599239;lobbesbot;nicoleci: Sent 1 day, 11 hours, and 59 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> did not take http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-19#1852187 advice ? dun say nobody warned , when that thing croaks
1852759;1537614932;ave1;phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852748, The second stage compilation of the gcc compiler is picking up the include files of the system (GNU clib specific and therefor incompatible).
1852760;1537614932;a111;Logged on 2018-09-22 03:05 phf: ave1: i'm getting the following error http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/49Tie/?raw=true when building ada-musl-cross-2018-06-01. i feel like it came up before, but i'm having hard time finding the thread
1852761;1537615017;ave1;I've not seen a failure in this stage yet... But, could you check your environment variables? (if you could post these that would help me).
1852762;1537628941;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in "the dumber they are the louder they get", https://image.ibb.co/kRvCNU/nikkadumbass.jpg
1852763;1537629204;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852757 << here's a magic trick : if instead of pasting in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-13#1850227 you instead write <a href=http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-13#1850227>link</a>, the link will be displayed with an anchor other than itself (in this case, "link")
1852764;1537629204;a111;Logged on 2018-09-22 06:53 nicoleci: asciilifeform: i changed the links to btcbase, thanks for letting me know re framedragger
1852765;1537629204;a111;Logged on 2018-09-13 17:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but anyway, in the very success is the seed of failure : in that they weren't all that boring they weren't, after all, true bores. a true bore can drive women to murder, just as well as the http://trilema.com/2016/the-pedoepiphany/ can.
1852766;1537629481;mircea_popescu;http://bimbo.club/?p=21&cpage=1#comment-13 << chick's got 13 comments in 21 articles, i doubt any blogger ever started with this much attention in the history of this activity.
1852767;1537633866;BingoBoingo;It is a testament to the power of coming in with a recommendation
1852768;1537634731;hanbot;http://trilema.com/2009/o-plimbare-pe-bega/#comment-240 << yeah, your 21st was at 240 lol.
1852769;1537634758;deedbot;http://bimbo.club/?p=22 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 9/14/2018
1852770;1537634869;mircea_popescu;o wow, look at that.
1852771;1537634916;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-21#1852743 << Oh jeeze, nice catch PeterL and mircea_popescu.  We went over this before, totally forgot it needs have oldest at the top.  Will fix.  Cheers.
1852772;1537634916;a111;Logged on 2018-09-21 21:30 mircea_popescu: yeah srsly. append-at-end style mod6
1852773;1537635810;mircea_popescu;hanbot now i'm re-reading the first month of trilema. it's eerie, what great fucking articles i started with.
1852774;1537636290;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in fiatola datas, https://openpayroll.ct.gov/#!/year/2018 (3.3bn, dropped from 4.57bn in 2017, down from 4.7bn in 2015-2016)
1852775;1537637081;mircea_popescu;the great again is afoot.
1852776;1537637889;hanbot;mircea_popescu i'd say eerier in context is their improvement over time, against the general trend of sissification as exemplified in that payroll link, etc
1852777;1537637929;mircea_popescu;heh
1852778;1537637950;mircea_popescu;and all the things of yore... remember that moron with the plaintive "oh noes, they are demolishing THE HISTORY!!!! of bucharest" ? as fucking if...
1852779;1537637990;mircea_popescu;madison, wisconsin got substantialy older, and deeply more interesting history to it.
1852780;1537638103;hanbot;definitely cheesier, at any rate
1852781;1537638125;mircea_popescu;(wisconsin state legislature met in 1838, southern romania... well... maybe 1831, if you believe them, but it is a lie. rather 1858)
1852782;1537638211;hanbot;and transylvania?
1852783;1537638222;mircea_popescu;bc.
1852784;1537638286;hanbot;yeah, i imagine the pressure on the south to fashion identitits is massive
1852785;1537641240;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852774 << this is pretty lulzy indeed, e.g. who was 'Auriemma, Geno - Special Payment' (2nd place winner after their uni pres)
1852786;1537641240;a111;Logged on 2018-09-22 17:11 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in fiatola datas, https://openpayroll.ct.gov/#!/year/2018 (3.3bn, dropped from 4.57bn in 2017, down from 4.7bn in 2015-2016)
1852787;1537641277;asciilifeform;or hm, ~not~ president, just 'faculty'
1852788;1537641294;asciilifeform;( pres -- 11th ! )
1852789;1537641322;asciilifeform;at the maryland equiv., last i knew the gold medalist was the sports trainer, and the 2nd place -- the chairman
1852790;1537641431;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852753 << lemme guess, all 3 : satellites ?
1852791;1537641431;a111;Logged on 2018-09-22 05:01 mircea_popescu: i might be the only outfit with three different internet providers, still can't get reliable internet.
1852792;1537641462;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852759 << iirc i had very similar eggog, and it was what ave1 described here
1852793;1537641462;a111;Logged on 2018-09-22 11:15 ave1: phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852748, The second stage compilation of the gcc compiler is picking up the include files of the system (GNU clib specific and therefor incompatible).
1852794;1537641587;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852778 << iirc the shoemaker replaced ~90% of what 'history' there was, with hruscheba
1852795;1537641587;a111;Logged on 2018-09-22 17:39 mircea_popescu: and all the things of yore... remember that moron with the plaintive "oh noes, they are demolishing THE HISTORY!!!! of bucharest" ? as fucking if...
1852796;1537641752;asciilifeform;to continue the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852790 , i'ma lul if eventually mircea_popescu's most reliable isp ends up being the sw prototype...
1852797;1537641752;a111;Logged on 2018-09-22 18:37 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852753 << lemme guess, all 3 : satellites ?
1852798;1537641868;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852763 << missing a set of " " here
1852799;1537641868;a111;Logged on 2018-09-22 15:13 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852757 << here's a magic trick : if instead of pasting in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-13#1850227 you instead write <a href=http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-13#1850227>link</a>, the link will be displayed with an anchor other than itself (in this case, "link")
1852800;1537641977;asciilifeform;in other noose re 'new pheatures with 0 new coad', http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-09#1723494 worx great with http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2557 udp.
1852801;1537641977;a111;Logged on 2017-10-09 16:24 asciilifeform: ( observe that for hole punching, the 'server' does not need to be a heavy duty box that sits as 'star topology apex', but can be any of one or more boxes among the nodes themselves , at a particular time, with external ip. )
1852802;1537642005;phf;asciilifeform: that i can see, but i'm not sure why it's picking up system wide includes. there's an isystem there that points to correct musl include tree, that has the sys/types.h file in it
1852803;1537642031;asciilifeform;( simple algo: you send a packet to 'adult' (i.e. pizarro) box, and it echoes your nat's external ephemeral port, and other folx can udp ~to~ that, while you keep it alive )
1852804;1537642117;asciilifeform;phf: you gotta unset the typical gnat includes envir , e.g. here's asciilifeform's from 1 particular box, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/pUeES/?raw=true ( already has an ave1 gnat ,prior to that pointed to adacore's thing )
1852805;1537642195;asciilifeform;phf: gcc is pretty dumb, it will suck in anyffing it can see in the PATH, in ~random order
1852806;1537642224;phf;hmm, i have the path set, but i don't have either of the ADA_* vars
1852807;1537642247;asciilifeform;those gotta point to whatever gnat is in use for current shot
1852808;1537642607;*;asciilifeform bbl,meat
1852809;1537643248;diana_coman;asciilifeform, the IP_To_String will return a string with null chars (in Ada: Character'Val(0)) at the end for IPs that are shorter than 16 chars (e.g. 98.20.105.41); I'm in 2 minds whether to make it change those to spaces (keeps size same) or otherwise return some len; since it's your lib though: what is your take on it?
1852810;1537643274;diana_coman;link re the above: http://btcbase.org/patches/udp_genesis#L289
1852811;1537643591;asciilifeform;really the stringism routines ( which imho yes oughta be in a udp lib, they make it possible to write complete udpism proggy ) oughta be baked in native ada form..
1852812;1537643626;asciilifeform;diana_coman: in this one, oughta replace with spaces
1852813;1537643639;asciilifeform;i thought i fixed this but evidently not
1852814;1537643690;asciilifeform;the one variant that is not an option is returning variably-long strings ( this'd pull in secondarystackism . )
1852815;1537643790;diana_coman;asciilifeform, I combed your patch and did not see any fix for this - did I miss anything? (I did not press it because my code was already changed anyway in all sorts of ways; I read the patch though)
1852816;1537643803;phf;asciilifeform: i'm not sure but i don't think the problem is environment variables. the failing command has an -isystem flag that points to correct musl header tree, and some of the files are being picked up from there, but not all (e.g. errno.h is picked from musl, but sys/types.h from global)
1852817;1537643804;diana_coman;and no, certainly not variable-length strings
1852818;1537643830;asciilifeform;diana_coman: you read correctly, i did not apparently touch that item
1852819;1537643873;asciilifeform;phf: you may have to strace and see wherethefuq it got it
1852820;1537643877;diana_coman;makes sense, will replace any nulls with spaces
1852821;1537643956;asciilifeform;diana_coman: if you make this fix, i'ma backport , otherwise i'ma get to it in the coming days
1852822;1537644018;asciilifeform;diana_coman: as always lemme know if you find other sharp edges
1852823;1537644037;*;asciilifeform brb
1852824;1537644186;diana_coman;k, will do
1852825;1537645137;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform wired, radio and satellite
1852826;1537645590;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852789 << sports people often have the sense to get themselves performance agreements. everyone else -- what performance.
1852827;1537645590;a111;Logged on 2018-09-22 18:35 asciilifeform: at the maryland equiv., last i knew the gold medalist was the sports trainer, and the 2nd place -- the chairman
1852828;1537645635;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852796 >> ima sigh a sigh of relief.
1852829;1537645635;a111;Logged on 2018-09-22 18:42 asciilifeform: to continue the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852790 , i'ma lul if eventually mircea_popescu's most reliable isp ends up being the sw prototype...
1852830;1537645660;mircea_popescu;i'd very much like the republic to also take over that other requirement of civilised living. banking it's already doing.
1852831;1537645698;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852798 << nah, quotes optional.
1852832;1537645698;a111;Logged on 2018-09-22 18:44 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852763 << missing a set of " " here
1852833;1537645843;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852802 << because as trinque pointed out, the imperial code academy view of config files is "optional suggestion". config as it currentrly works will essentially sudo cat /dev/sda1 | grep -A1 "HurrDurrFlag" and whatever comes out of that is the value of hurr.
1852834;1537645843;a111;Logged on 2018-09-22 18:46 phf: asciilifeform: that i can see, but i'm not sure why it's picking up system wide includes. there's an isystem there that points to correct musl include tree, that has the sys/types.h file in it
1852835;1537649342;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: will add that, since we forked gcc, this is in principle fixable. ( tho it wouldn't help folx struggling to build the thing under heathen gcc -- e.g. phf currently -- i expect at some point we'll be done with 'build on heathen linux' )
1852836;1537649566;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852826 << asciilifeform is by no means a subj expert ( will have to defer to, possibly, BingoBoingo ) it is not my understanding that the trainer gets the megabux strictly if team ~wins~. at least, not in marylandistan.
1852837;1537649566;a111;Logged on 2018-09-22 19:46 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852789 << sports people often have the sense to get themselves performance agreements. everyone else -- what performance.
1852838;1537649624;asciilifeform;and it is by no means clear that the 'footballism' is a +ev item for the org. moar of a religious function.
1852839;1537649718;mircea_popescu;well teams win occasionally.
1852840;1537649762;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852831 << optional in 'html 2.0', but iirc e.g. 'lynx' demands the "".
1852841;1537649762;a111;Logged on 2018-09-22 19:48 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852798 << nah, quotes optional.
1852842;1537649773;trinque;no profit in football eh?
1852843;1537649809;asciilifeform;trinque: tbh i do not know if profit or not. but they structure the finance in such a way as to make the q ~impossible to answer from outside. which suggests 'not'.
1852844;1537649869;asciilifeform;seems to me that it is moar of a 'konsoomer has come to expect!' pheature, than a moneymaker.
1852845;1537649896;asciilifeform;( in this respect it does not really differ from the rest of the 'college racket' tho )
1852846;1537649975;trinque;oil must also be unprofitable, because the wells rarely retain much of what they extract.
1852847;1537649989;asciilifeform;lol
1852848;1537650081;asciilifeform;trinque: if oil deposit were an artificial item, expensively created by some living third party, you'd have to wonder what it is they smoke
1852849;1537650159;asciilifeform;( and yes, the ~national~ footballism folx do profit . but they are not the payers of the $1+mil uni trainer... )
1852850;1537650160;*;trinque cannot deny this
1852851;1537650321;trinque;the more successful college teams are themselves getting into the sponsorship/advertising racket
1852852;1537650368;trinque;none of which would be sustained absent the printing press supply of average-derp spending money, but this ends up reducing to "merkuh ain't +ev"
1852853;1537650373;asciilifeform;iirc there was a mircea_popescu piece, where 'socialism creates pools of moolah that harvesters show up out of nowhere to harvest'. examples abound, even in the very same uni, e.g. in asciilifeformistan they are demolishing ~entire town and building communal flats for students, and the developers pay ~20% of the actual cost, the rest they somehow pawned off on the state of md ( while developer eating 100% of the rent . somehow this m
1852854;1537650373;asciilifeform;akes sense to somebody. )
1852855;1537650477;asciilifeform;^ interesting detail, in the city hall, some old fart stood up and 'fuck'em, if they cannot make a profit without subsidy, why not we find somebody who will!' but was naturally shouted down and that was that
1852856;1537650845;asciilifeform;other interesting detail -- the demolitions are of old-fashioned local biz, some of which sold, others ended up with 'mysterious fires'
1852857;1537650904;asciilifeform;after one such, one local poltroon even wrote pompous op-ed in local fishwrap, 'this fire is an opportunity for developers!'
1852858;1537650968;asciilifeform;( what burned down, on that occasion, was a beer/pool hall, where 'wrong' -- i.e. non-professorial -- types, went )
1852859;1537651054;asciilifeform;i suppose, cancer -- grows, nukes healthy tissue, noose at 11.
1852860;1537651070;asciilifeform;in unrelated lulz, 35.198.33.239 - - [22/Sep/2018:17:30:05 -0400] "GET /dnscfg.cgi?dnsPrimary=139.60.162.188&dnsSecondary=139.60.162.201&dnsDynamic=0&dnsRefresh=1 HTTP/1.1" 301 185 "-" "curl/7.52.1" "-"
1852861;1537651099;asciilifeform;^ somebody's lolbot goes around and tries to find (some unknown to me) type of konsoomer lulzrouter, to reset dns root of
1852862;1537651153;asciilifeform;... to some box in nyc (hostkey co.)
1852863;1537651196;asciilifeform;Run Moar dns...
1852864;1537652021;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-21#1852644 << lots of christians around. I don't suppose there'll be legal whoring in Mockystan either.
1852865;1537652021;a111;Logged on 2018-09-21 16:29 asciilifeform: btw i'm curious what trinque thinks, of how in his enlightened texas, whoring ~per se~ apparently is banned
1852866;1537652111;trinque;on that subj, it has long entertained me that one can be paid for being in porn, but cannot be paid for fucking off-camera.
1852867;1537652125;trinque;surprised no one has tried exploiting this observation yet
1852868;1537652471;BingoBoingo;And from the rumor mines: Maduro may "internationalize" domestic fuel prices in Vzla
1852869;1537653030;BingoBoingo;This would raise the price of a liter of gasoline from 1/96th of a dollar to a substantial reduction in traffic
1852870;1537654714;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852803 << this is the exact application of ye olde discussion of how to break out! nice.
1852871;1537654714;a111;Logged on 2018-09-22 18:47 asciilifeform: ( simple algo: you send a packet to 'adult' (i.e. pizarro) box, and it echoes your nat's external ephemeral port, and other folx can udp ~to~ that, while you keep it alive )
1852872;1537655075;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852858 << such soviet.
1852873;1537655075;a111;Logged on 2018-09-22 21:16 asciilifeform: ( what burned down, on that occasion, was a beer/pool hall, where 'wrong' -- i.e. non-professorial -- types, went )
1852874;1537655102;mircea_popescu;i can't conceive of what sort of building made by civilised man since the time of silken breeches could possibly be harmed by fire.
1852875;1537655104;mircea_popescu;wtf.
1852876;1537655209;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852866 << that's because you don't understand art!
1852877;1537655209;a111;Logged on 2018-09-22 21:35 trinque: on that subj, it has long entertained me that one can be paid for being in porn, but cannot be paid for fucking off-camera.
1852878;1537655212;BingoBoingo;Related, Uruguayos and money: "Me paso algo parecido al comprar el monitor, no me aceptaron la tarjeta y tuve que ir a retirar al Shopping, me vine caminando esas 3 cuadras con como 600 dólares en el bolsillo del pantalón. Nunca me había meado y cagado tantas veces en mi vida. Además debido al estrés en el trayecto me quede pelado."
1852879;1537655249;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852869 << what it'll do is give the army better reasons to stick to his govt
1852880;1537655249;a111;Logged on 2018-09-22 21:50 BingoBoingo: This would raise the price of a liter of gasoline from 1/96th of a dollar to a substantial reduction in traffic
1852881;1537655257;mircea_popescu;"you want your petrol allocations don;'t you" ?
1852882;1537655285;BingoBoingo;Seriously, case for Maduro as closet republican continues building
1852883;1537657651;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852874 << just about errything built in usa, burns like matchstick. like old jp.
1852884;1537657651;a111;Logged on 2018-09-22 22:25 mircea_popescu: i can't conceive of what sort of building made by civilised man since the time of silken breeches could possibly be harmed by fire.
1852885;1537657673;asciilifeform;( even in cement office towers -- the drywall crapola still lights )
1852886;1537657769;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852879 << as i understand, could just as readily hasten his demise, neh ( 'hey next d00d will give us 10% moar' )
1852887;1537657769;a111;Logged on 2018-09-22 22:27 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852869 << what it'll do is give the army better reasons to stick to his govt
1852888;1537657851;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-22#1852867 << apparently even nao ~nobody is arrested for going to whores, unless the whore itself turns him in...
1852889;1537657851;a111;Logged on 2018-09-22 21:35 trinque: surprised no one has tried exploiting this observation yet
1852890;1537660045;mod6;Ok, I've reversed the order of the manifest.txt file as we discussed; http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/TMFMJ/?raw=true << mircea_popescu PeterL asciilifeform ben_vulpes trinque et. al.
1852891;1537660236;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/09/nytimes-wrote-something-about-stalled-rodney-rosenstein-coup-attempt-against-trump/ << Qntra - NYTimes Wrote Something About Stalled Rodney Rosenstein Coup Attempt Against Trump
1852892;1537660871;mircea_popescu;this is all the more laughably idiotic as the trump's proven himself as a total cold lipped psychopath, putting up a "clumsy" front for idiots.
1852893;1537661269;BingoBoingo;2019 Trump is going to be so lulzy
1852894;1537661490;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: out of curiosity, why do you suppose it'll differ from the 2016-18 one ? d00d is coated in pantsuit t-cells so thickly , barely shows nose
1852895;1537662840;BingoBoingo;He gets more leverage with the Supreme Court and the Senate stacked in his favor. The T-Cells get have to become more desperate
1852896;1537663208;Mocky;I've been out of the travel game for a while i guess. I didn't even know "TSA presents: imma rape ur luggage m'kay" locks were a thing. And now that's just about all I can find.
1852897;1537663386;BingoBoingo;Well, if you don't use the lock where they expect the lock, then they destroy the lock, luggage, or both
1852898;1537663395;BingoBoingo;Such is the Pantlice state
1852899;1537663881;trinque;asciilifeform: funny enough, I end up at the ER waiting room (friend has ectopic pregnancy), and all I see sitting here are hooker-escorted-cops coming and going.
1852900;1537663912;trinque;maybe the hooker lobby would push harder for legalization if it wouldn't cut off the free healthcare!
1852901;1537664422;trinque;young hot hooker appears, comes to manage old crazy methwitch. both just went back to remind (I assume) girl in the back what she doesn't know.
1852902;1537664427;trinque;boy this is highly entertaining!
1852903;1537664721;mircea_popescu;heh
1852904;1537664721;mircea_popescu;liveblogging from clinic, notbad
1852905;1537664747;mod6;:]
1852906;1537664961;BingoBoingo;All legal prostitution seems to have done here is send a bunch of fatties and gender weirds to the Whiskerias so they can try to agitate for "sex workers union"
1852907;1537665043;trinque;inb4 "it's unfair to choose your own hooker, must select at random"
1852908;1537665053;mod6;lol
1852909;1537665059;mircea_popescu;haha.
1852910;1537665138;BingoBoingo;Well they apparently want union wage, same pay regardless of customers
1852911;1537665145;mircea_popescu;aaaahaahah
1852912;1537665158;BingoBoingo;They want to be like the Baker's Union
1852913;1537665159;mircea_popescu;is this an argentine-sponsored effort ? lxs dumbxs ?
1852914;1537665174;BingoBoingo;Likely
1852915;1537665447;trinque;ahaha, and in this scene, I get the cuntoo profile thing solved.
1852916;1537665457;*;trinque starts full system rebuild using only what shall be in the genesis
1852917;1537667024;mod6;Pizarro is looking to purchase some fiat for next month.  Please reach out to me if you would like to sell some dollars!  Thanks in advance.
1852918;1537667138;mod6;Bank Wire or WU is acceptable.  We're looking to purchase a total of $4`984.06
1852919;1537667561;mod6;In other news, I've created a new excise hash truncation regrind vpatch, which includes the manifest.txt pasted above.  Am re-testing it, currently.  Will post to ML upon success.
1852920;1537687374;deedbot;http://bimbo.club/?p=23 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 9/15/2018
1852921;1537689640;mircea_popescu;trinque sweet.
1852922;1537689663;mircea_popescu;maybe you should spend more time watching gangbangers exsangvinate.
1852923;1537689929;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2009/economia-sexului/#selection-77.42-77.94 << epic re-read. and yes, very much going back to religious supression, it's called "feminism", and it "liberates" women. from "rape" and "the male gaze" and things.
1852924;1537698646;ave1;!Q later tell phf, I've been running some tests on my system and it could be that an earlier step failed to install the header files correctly, could you run these commands and send me the output? http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/EllTj/?raw=true
1852925;1537698646;lobbesbot;ave1: The operation succeeded.
1852926;1537698743;ave1;I'm also installing debian 8.10 to see if I can find anything (Spyked had a similar problem a while back but then he retried the script on another system so we never went deeper into this problem)
1852927;1537712954;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-23#1852899 << ugh.. did they amputate ?
1852928;1537712954;a111;Logged on 2018-09-23 00:51 trinque: asciilifeform: funny enough, I end up at the ER waiting room (friend has ectopic pregnancy), and all I see sitting here are hooker-escorted-cops coming and going.
1852929;1537713109;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-23#1852907 << mircea_popescu had a pretty great 'armless plumber' piece (where was it..)
1852930;1537713109;a111;Logged on 2018-09-23 01:10 trinque: inb4 "it's unfair to choose your own hooker, must select at random"
1852931;1537713128;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2013/two-business-ideas-for-missing-arms <<
1852932;1537713364;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-23#1852915 << what was the orig puzzler ?
1852933;1537713364;a111;Logged on 2018-09-23 01:17 trinque: ahaha, and in this scene, I get the cuntoo profile thing solved.
1852934;1537714198;BingoBoingo;So Friday night 19 year old kid was struck by a car 2 blocks away from  my bed in an act the competent authorities are pinning on "street racers". So the question is "Wat do?"
1852935;1537714260;BingoBoingo;Wat do? Leads to a heavy presence of traffic police on foot wearing their yellow vests and covering about a quarter block area immediately around where the crash was the night before.
1852936;1537714513;BingoBoingo;The road in question is the Rambla (not to be confused with The Rambla, the major coastal walk way next to the road where locals sit on grass and hit their Mate crack pipes) which is the closest thing the city has to a freeway.
1852937;1537714826;BingoBoingo;Imagine my surprise walking past and not seeing a single assault rifle or submachine gun among the group given the way the local police arm themselves for other occasions.
1852938;1537714916;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: do they ever even fire them broomstix? not such big town that you couldnt hear it, i imagine ?
1852939;1537714932;BingoBoingo;Flock of traffic police in yellow vests in a crowd size that routinely gets Aloha Snackbarred in Europe expected to confront motor vehicles while less imposingly armed than daytime ATM cops
1852940;1537714993;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: They don't fire them anywhere near me. Further north and east recently they have gotten into at least one firefight according to the local papers, but hard tell what the police fired
1852941;1537715123;BingoBoingo;There were injuries among the police and "Prosegur" private security folks involved. Casualties among the bank robbers less certain.
1852942;1537715476;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: sounds like 'own goal', ameri-style
1852943;1537715621;BingoBoingo;Not at all unlikely
1852944;1537715904;BingoBoingo;Tambien the visibility of the "Special Forces Police" has gone up as well. They Ride around in pairs on big Kawasaki adventure motocicletas or drive around in pairs in small SUV's with anti brick mesh over the windows. I have never actually seen them moving, They just seem to park at corners and sit to be visible
1852945;1537716398;trinque;aaaand cuntoo rebuilt (emerge -aev @world) using only cuntoo ebuilds
1852946;1537716421;trinque;no remaining blockers for first release
1852947;1537716492;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-23#1852927 << took some tube on one side, but other side's fine. minimal blood loss, chick's doing great.
1852948;1537716492;a111;Logged on 2018-09-23 14:29 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-23#1852899 << ugh.. did they amputate ?
1852949;1537716643;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-23#1852932 << I wrote a profile flattener which would walk the profile tree and concat all the config files. sadly, the rules by which a parent's configs are applied to the child are neither of parent-wins or child-wins. it appears that mask and force interact in a more complicated way that I've yet to fully load into skull
1852950;1537716643;a111;Logged on 2018-09-23 14:36 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-23#1852915 << what was the orig puzzler ?
1852951;1537716704;trinque;what I've done instead is slurped out just the profiles used, without concatenating. this fits with my strategy of the genesis patch being as close to "what was found" as possible, with only machine transformations involved in the leap from gentoo to cuntoo
1852952;1537716735;trinque;I can next hand-craft a descendent patch for a similar "tmsr" base profile, and torch all the rest
1852953;1537717097;asciilifeform;meanwhile in vintage 'man-alones', http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-29#1550604 >> dead.
1852954;1537717097;a111;Logged on 2016-09-29 22:36 asciilifeform: http://woodcoin.xyz/woodcoin/today << lelz, apparently funkenstein made his own chan, a while ago, complete with logs, bots, etc.
1852955;1537717152;asciilifeform;trinque: neato. and asciilifeform loox forward to test.
1852956;1537717929;mod6;#metoo
1852957;1537718295;mod6;how goes mircea_popescu?
1852958;1537718376;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-23#1852927 << thinking about it, there's actually a LOT of societal change underway. take fetlife : it consists, as far as identifiable human life is concerned, of one dude who made some money (usuaully, "tech", which is to say computers -- but as girl points out, "i also know a lot of computer geeks who have no money ; ie, "ILLEGAL" computers) who have a cunt that's looking for another cunt. be
1852959;1537718376;a111;Logged on 2018-09-23 14:29 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-23#1852899 << ugh.. did they amputate ?
1852960;1537718376;mircea_popescu;cause god damn it, who the fuck is gonna get "married" and "monogamy" ? harem or get lost, the social choices are asexual wankerism for the govt-supported and harem for the miscolred bits crowd. that's it and that's all, the 1970 "new york of trades" where "every man" house, wife, children, etc (cher's moonstruck a fine example of this utopia as ever can be had) utterly disappeared sometime since america ended.
1852961;1537718520;mircea_popescu;and i don't think there is a SINGLE cop anywhere in the us who isn't either a) completely braindamaged, "i pray every day i manage to get through the day without fucking up massively, like, losing my gun in some bushes because i shat myself hearing gunfire" a la j c reilly in magnolia)
1852962;1537718545;mircea_popescu;or else exactly this b), "i got a harem of whores on the quiet". and this b is maybe 60% of the "force", really.
1852963;1537718592;mircea_popescu;the ~reason~ every study finds that whores with pimps are doing 20-50% better than solo artists is PRECISELY that 70-80% of the "pimps" (ie, the men in these women's lives, that they navigate around and anchor their life on / center their affect on) are cops.
1852964;1537718600;mircea_popescu;mod6 goes great!
1852965;1537718613;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc you spent some yrs in egypt; what % of chix wouldja say were parked in harems ( of arity >= 2 , lol )
1852966;1537718659;mircea_popescu;foregoing leaving me with the conclusion that chicks who don't want to lindsey kuper / http://trilema.com/2014/and-now-for-part-2-of-our-smash-hit-hey-stupid-women-we-need-to-talk-smart-women-don%E2%80%99t-want-to-be-with-you-anymore/ (ie, be the house mother of a bunch of tards, either cockless males online or else dubious junkies offline)
1852967;1537718686;mircea_popescu;are stuck either b) joining a herd of similarly cunted followers of a great man or else c) convincingly telling themselves they don't have sexual parts.
1852968;1537718702;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform all with sexual value above epsilon.
1852969;1537718715;mircea_popescu;!!key Zdenko
1852970;1537718716;deedbot;Not registered.
1852971;1537718832;asciilifeform;lol, picture thread, a: 'what % of what they ate was meat, mircea_popescu ' m : 'all with nutritive value > epsilon, was in my fridge !'
1852972;1537718866;mircea_popescu;not in my fridge! i was personally tolerated (with my "harem of one") among a select crowd of upwardly mobile, english speaking, "tryna make something of this shithole" young males.
1852973;1537718875;asciilifeform;hm.
1852974;1537718909;mircea_popescu;the ones who won out of the "go to the center of businessmen, pay for dialup modem by hour, write love letters to fat white women, get them to come over with money, build house at euro standards for tourist trade" lottery.
1852975;1537718939;mod6;haha
1852976;1537718949;*;asciilifeform read recently a description of this egypt, from a ru chix pov
1852977;1537718993;asciilifeform;went, roughly, 'yes i can have anyffing i want here, but they're fucking subhuman'
1852978;1537719052;mircea_popescu;now, it's true that the ovine set (because yes, every harem stratified, not "all womenz alike" http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-23#1852907 bs exists in there), so there IS a portion that can't think but breastfeed ok had 0 problem doing it right in front of me, evne though as much as walking into the girls' subway cart was a major big fucking deal.
1852979;1537719052;a111;Logged on 2018-09-23 01:10 trinque: inb4 "it's unfair to choose your own hooker, must select at random"
1852980;1537719084;mircea_popescu;and it's also true the yet unwed fillies were very flattered by strange requests like "gimme the pin that's holding up your hiqab, i wanna pierce this bottle of super glue".
1852981;1537719118;mircea_popescu;HOWEVER, loads and loads and LOADS of 30yo males without property were spending 24/7 trying to figure out how to use me to clean the shit of failure offa themselves.
1852982;1537719135;asciilifeform;lol! orcistani glue dun have pointy caps?!
1852983;1537719139;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform her arabic is poor. they're not subhuman, they just don't know what she knows./
1852984;1537719147;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform see ?
1852985;1537719157;mircea_popescu;read more arabic poetry ; understand more of the locals.
1852986;1537719187;*;asciilifeform on the beginning leg of a Mocky-inspired arabic kick , incidentally 
1852987;1537719209;mircea_popescu;the one overpoweringly important question sitting at the cornerstone of all learning,
1852988;1537719232;mircea_popescu;is whether one does it to "it turns out i was right" or whether the one does it to "well, little wonder i lost myself, there wasn't much there to lose in the first place".
1852989;1537719260;mircea_popescu;the former is how erudition without girlfriends is managed by the sort of people who "i spent 30 years in china still don't have local whores ready to be turned out for love".
1852990;1537719266;mircea_popescu;i met some of these.
1852991;1537719284;asciilifeform;i'm going from a very vintage brit b00k, with very flavourful examples, e.g. 'donkey is poor man's horse', 'i killed the man whose uncle killed my father', 'to be killed is the noblest death', etc in this spirit
1852992;1537719411;mircea_popescu;honestly i subscribe to the latter.
1852993;1537719420;mircea_popescu;who the fuck can possibly think so much of shits that "died in their bed" ?
1852994;1537719433;mircea_popescu;"you know what ? so did your unborn brother -- died in your mother's bed"
1852995;1537719440;asciilifeform;'die not the straw death!'(tm)(r)(odin)
1852996;1537719507;asciilifeform;one of those things sane folx seem to come to agreement in.
1852997;1537719751;mircea_popescu;"house mother" being, of course, the term of art -- the matron of ye olde brothel, this big fat older woman.
1852998;1537719977;mircea_popescu;anyway, russian (at least as far as classical ru cultuer goes) chick is possibly the LEAST capable of making the jump. most demanding of manliness in the mate female out there, "you know what ? ima go be this guy's whore, get lost loser" QUITE the open possibility even walkin' down the street.
1852999;1537719994;mircea_popescu;so no, i don't expect she'd easily manage a moscow-cairo resettlement on her own steam.
1853000;1537720055;asciilifeform;is how they end up in camelfuckistan to begin with, neh.
1853001;1537720183;mircea_popescu;well... i dunno. she wants a tall blond white guy (arabs are short olive darkhaired)  who can jump on a fleeing horse and drink with her (arabs can't drink) and gets fucking furious on a dime (arabs are much mellower, they get fucking enraged, but it takes them more than 800ms).
1853002;1537720228;mircea_popescu;these are the sticky points, roughly.
1853003;1537720290;asciilifeform;whoknows, could be -- wanted chechen, but her compass was broken, lol
1853004;1537720519;mircea_popescu;nah, see, problems with chechek is that she ALSO wants guy who reliably rapes the system/police/hermother.
1853005;1537720556;mircea_popescu;and while this can be had in both moscow and cairo, it can't be fucking had in orcland. though she'll confusingly not call this, the only true subhumanity, "subhuman", more like "they're fuckingstupid, like children"
1853006;1537720594;mircea_popescu;but they are NOT like children, they are like morons. that her inner uvula tingle proposes that "boy who drinks and rides will grow into landruler" dun mean it's how it actually goes.
1853007;1537721759;asciilifeform;'not all that glitters' etc
1853008;1537721778;mircea_popescu;or tingles, as the case may be. yes/
1853009;1537721795;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-23#1852961 << they actually select for this, somewhat, by hiring ~100% iraq tour
1853010;1537721795;a111;Logged on 2018-09-23 16:02 mircea_popescu: and i don't think there is a SINGLE cop anywhere in the us who isn't either a) completely braindamaged, "i pray every day i manage to get through the day without fucking up massively, like, losing my gun in some bushes because i shat myself hearing gunfire" a la j c reilly in magnolia)
1853011;1537721833;asciilifeform;( the days when general-purpose jobless d00d could sign up in ameri-police, are long gone )
1853012;1537721845;mircea_popescu;that's the amusing part of the human body : if you can tickle her, she's not aroused, same pathway serves both and it'd be blocked. lots and lots and LOTS of this multi-use, switched single wiring in the human body. as a for instance, the "not all that tingles" signal for "don't end up with a loser" and "not all that tingles" signal for "downregulate libido in general" is the same pathway in womenz.
1853013;1537721892;asciilifeform;hey, critter that shares air hole with food hole also double-wires nerves, noose at 11..
1853014;1537721898;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha, it's well on its way to becoming the ruling caste of the sovietistan of america. much like in ye other one, really.
1853015;1537721913;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and pee hole with delicious filling hole.
1853016;1537721960;asciilifeform;( asciilifeform to pet, 'hey, which lips we feed first ?' )
1853017;1537721981;trinque;lol
1853018;1537721999;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in fetlulz, i neartly fell out of my chair, because after roughly 5k complaints "i can't read the subject line", in came one saying "oh, wait, i flipped my phone over now i see it"
1853019;1537722011;mircea_popescu;holy shit almighty.
1853020;1537722019;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aint they supposed to be self-flipping naodays?
1853021;1537722023;mircea_popescu;!!key zdeni82_
1853022;1537722023;deedbot;Not registered.
1853023;1537722029;*;trinque often to staff, "lets flap food holes for a while on this" to prompt switch to phone
1853024;1537722085;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i have nfi. but if the problem isn't that the site's just broken, and cuts off subjects as a token of "great web ux", but rather they're just universally TOO FUCKING STUPID TO FLIP THEIR PHONES....
1853025;1537722123;mircea_popescu;sometimes i suspect the imbecility of the average walker is not sufficiently understood.
1853026;1537722126;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i can only guess, the patients haven't bought that dinnerplate-sized ipnoje yet
1853027;1537722208;trinque;their lives are sufficiently cushioned (and brains sufficiently trained for such) that encountering $unexpected means obviously someone else is an idiot.
1853028;1537722269;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-14#1541812
1853029;1537722269;a111;Logged on 2016-09-14 15:24 asciilifeform: 'the only intuitive notation is the tit' or how did it go.
1853030;1537722294;asciilifeform;trinque: somehow! e.g. phuctor, displays on vert- and horiz- pnoje, vga, whatever.
1853031;1537722298;trinque;follows then that the whole world has been turned into tits
1853032;1537722400;mircea_popescu;here, in memory of trinque's saying, some free lulz : https://image.ibb.co/e8G3XU/severina.png
1853033;1537722442;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nao i gotta ask, how is that hollow 'fuck plug' used
1853034;1537722453;asciilifeform;is it 'adapter' to fit chinese cocks, or wat
1853035;1537722457;mircea_popescu;i imagine underwater torpedo tube sold separately ?
1853036;1537722497;mircea_popescu;(most women fail to get aroused with plastic only ; in unaroused women, the uterus head hurts when pounded [see above sicussion] ; therefore... why not fix the not-problem part of the problem)
1853037;1537722514;asciilifeform;that thing. i think my engine is mounted on something quite similar, wonder if clever repurpose.
1853038;1537722552;mircea_popescu;entirely possible.
1853039;1537722560;mircea_popescu;it is, after all, "the engine".
1853040;1537722565;trinque;"Made of thick, smooth silicone, the TUNNEL fuckplug is our finest hole spreader yet. The TUNNEL is everything you love about the PIGHOLE but???new, improved, and even nastier." << https://shop.oxballs.com/product.sc?productId=238
1853041;1537722569;mircea_popescu;as per the famous ro "ma, tancu' are motor ?"
1853042;1537722587;trinque;apparently yes, tiny cock adapter
1853043;1537722590;asciilifeform;PIGHOLE! they stoal asciilifeform's next product name!1111
1853044;1537722610;mircea_popescu;(for the non-native speaker, homophonous with "mata-n cur are motor ?")
1853045;1537722637;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform sowage. ballsick. we'll never run out.
1853046;1537722723;asciilifeform;i'ma not be surprised if that chix mircea_popescu sent to fetch toy catalogue, returns with 'auto-trek' parts book.
1853047;1537722793;mircea_popescu;in which lulz : took new girl to strip club and then brothel yest. strip club charged me $75 in cover, notwithstanding i brought the hottest girl there, by a fat margin. so while we sit and drink through our included drinks, i see, wonders of wonders, a girl's feet off the ground for once. first time in this country. she even did a bit of floor work! totally, for cr standards tango india vip is utterly happening.
1853048;1537722850;mircea_popescu;more disinterested girls you never saw, even at starbucks ; eventually the pit boss had to send a couple of the perfunctory shitheads to sit at our table, whom i waved off to their great excitement (how wonderful! now we can just say we checked the tickbox and don't have to do anything! there's nothing anyone can do, we tried!).
1853049;1537722864;mircea_popescu;all around, fat computer geeks holding on to their beers.
1853050;1537722887;mircea_popescu;then, at the brothel, a hundred or so chicks you wouldn't fuck, on parade. "why is everyone here speaking english ?!"
1853051;1537722915;asciilifeform;i take it this wasn't in the anglo-greenzone, either ( why would mircea_popescu go there )
1853052;1537722921;mircea_popescu;a few retirees on evidently fixed incomes. i can't imagine who the fuck would let them in, they want to nurse a beer while some hottie holds their thigh, it looks WAY too much like retirement home services for comfort.
1853053;1537722928;mircea_popescu;but the bulk... fat computer geeks holding on to their beers.
1853054;1537722941;mircea_popescu;to wind down this lengthy story : i can fucking see why there's a market for cocksleeves.
1853055;1537722947;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: gotta ask, how didja know they weren't fat accountants
1853056;1537722975;mircea_popescu;there's this particular air of confusion lots of exceljava leaves on the eyes. sort-of like in an aquarium nobody ever cleans.
1853057;1537722996;mircea_popescu;!!key zdeni82_
1853058;1537722997;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/0005DB56E0C07B515C238CCCB7BDD47CD7AA72DC.asc
1853059;1537723343;asciilifeform;!#s go gauge
1853060;1537723344;a111;6 results for "go gauge", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=go%20gauge
1853061;1537723446;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-23#1852944 << pretty much what they do downtown here also. it discourages the drunks/junkies from grabbing purses/pestering the ever-dwindling rich white people seeking a little thrill.
1853062;1537723446;a111;Logged on 2018-09-23 15:18 BingoBoingo: Tambien the visibility of the "Special Forces Police" has gone up as well. They Ride around in pairs on big Kawasaki adventure motocicletas or drive around in pairs in small SUV's with anti brick mesh over the windows. I have never actually seen them moving, They just seem to park at corners and sit to be visible
1853063;1537723529;mircea_popescu;(downtown san jose is very much what'd count as lafond's baltimore in the states -- very cheap flophouses, very cheap bars, unattended garbage, girls sleeping six to a bed, all that good stuff)
1853064;1537723607;asciilifeform;i'd expect ~= bmore, yes, except with 100 pound, rather than 300 , gulz, and with human not monkey faces, yes
1853065;1537723658;asciilifeform;( some time mircea_popescu equip that uboat and visit bmore, will see what i mean )
1853066;1537723658;mircea_popescu;junkies are the same junkies everywhere.
1853067;1537723670;mircea_popescu;this is, after all, the fucking point. they take the stuff to be less like themselves, yes.
1853068;1537723698;mircea_popescu;"men may be different, but all drunks are the same" or how did that bartender joke go
1853069;1537723718;asciilifeform;as i understand, dopes come with - and + 'charge', e.g. meth aficionados become 'moar' like selves
1853070;1537723732;mircea_popescu;really ? i never saw this.
1853071;1537723759;asciilifeform;ye olde http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-25#808005 thread
1853072;1537723759;a111;Logged on 2014-08-25 03:08 asciilifeform: busy as a bee << funny that they show an idiot sow scrubbing, and not, e.g, paul erdos crapping out theorems
1853073;1537723760;mircea_popescu;methheads eminently similar.
1853074;1537723772;asciilifeform;superficially similar
1853075;1537723780;mircea_popescu;oh, deep down ?
1853076;1537723781;mircea_popescu;mkay.
1853077;1537723784;asciilifeform;mno
1853078;1537723805;asciilifeform;100% similar ~to each other~, no shit, same starting qty, same sum
1853079;1537723817;mircea_popescu;well so then.
1853080;1537723864;asciilifeform;meant, result is sorta like adding jet to toyota. start with tin can that went slowly but maybe had working steering, end with rocket that goes to nearest wall.
1853081;1537723922;mircea_popescu;i guess. from observation, it is somewhat difficult to distinguish specific talent in girls. i do this professionally, so to speak, and spend a lot of time/resources on it.
1853082;1537723947;mircea_popescu;it is comparatiovely very easy to notice junkie.
1853083;1537724040;mircea_popescu;whether great general or humble accountant, whether sohrab or nameless coward, takes some teasing out. but whether habit or not habit, evident at first sight even to the pigs/social workers.
1853084;1537724058;asciilifeform;out of curiosity, is it also easy to distinguish junkie when the latter has its fix ?
1853085;1537724076;asciilifeform;( think herman goering, rather than gabriel_laddel )
1853086;1537724111;mircea_popescu;well... but i mean, what. speed freak on speed ? yes, evident. heroin addict on heroin ? yes fucking evident. cokehead ? yes.
1853087;1537724116;asciilifeform;( or -- is 'junkie' ~definitionally~ addict who lacks his fix )
1853088;1537724161;mircea_popescu;no, junkie is definitionally... actually, there's a great film, in which al pacino is "about to quit, he's jsut chippin' anyway" and his brother tells his gf he ain't chippin, he's a user.
1853089;1537724174;asciilifeform;just how numerous are 'addict WITH fix' anyway
1853090;1537724176;mircea_popescu;junkie is definitionally the drug user whose drug habit has produced biological changes.
1853091;1537724195;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well, all addicts get a fix now and again or else cold turkey out of it.
1853092;1537724226;asciilifeform;iirc gabriel_laddel claimed to have gone yrs without fix, but still pined for it
1853093;1537724251;mircea_popescu;and years without a girl, still pined also. what's pinery to do with anything
1853094;1537724269;asciilifeform;rright, iirc the shrinks seem to distinguish 'bio' addict from 'mental' one
1853095;1537724396;asciilifeform;( and the q is, who counts as addict. and does def then include e.g. thyroid patient, and chix on bc pillz )
1853096;1537724408;mircea_popescu;anyway, the junkie's like the "pleabargained" felon or the married man : refuse, used up. he's got his children to take care of and a certain investment, no longer apt of being part of human society. http://trilema.com/2012/cine-se-casatoreste/ problem.
1853097;1537724429;mircea_popescu;junkie != addict. the term denotes a specific thing.
1853098;1537724492;mircea_popescu;approximately same relationship between junkie and addiction as between perdition and sin.
1853099;1537724527;asciilifeform;hm.
1853100;1537725365;mircea_popescu;(pacino film being http://trilema.com/2012/the-panic-in-needle-park/ )
1853101;1537725725;ave1;phf, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-23#1852924, I've tried on debian and I can reproduce the problem, Unfortunately I have no solution yet (it will probably be a patch). It seems the default/internal gcc spec defines "-isystem /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu
1853102;1537725725;a111;Logged on 2018-09-23 10:30 ave1: !Q later tell phf, I've been running some tests on my system and it could be that an earlier step failed to install the header files correctly, could you run these commands and send me the output? http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/EllTj/?raw=true
1853103;1537725729;ave1;"
1853104;1537725771;ave1;and debian / ubuntu systems have this directory, and as it is an -isystem def it will be used before the -isystem given at the command prompt.
1853105;1537725792;ave1;I'll work on a fix this week
1853106;1537725842;mircea_popescu;check them out, hardcoded configs!
1853107;1537725883;asciilifeform;ave1: '-isystem' dun happen in other heathen gcc ??
1853108;1537725898;asciilifeform;( or how else to explain that the recipe worx errywhere i've tried it )
1853109;1537725899;ave1;it's in gcc 4.9.4 for sure
1853110;1537725923;ave1;other systems do not have /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu
1853111;1537725928;asciilifeform;errywhere i tried it, i built 1st stage on adacore's gnat, which iirc is 4.9.4
1853112;1537725931;asciilifeform;hm
1853113;1537725943;mircea_popescu;see the subtle beauty of it ?
1853114;1537725964;asciilifeform;ave1: nope, /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu exists in trad gentoo as well (on e.g. dulap)
1853115;1537725968;asciilifeform;and builder -- built.
1853116;1537725968;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-23#1852953 << hard out there for a pimp, when he trynna make his naive notions stick...
1853117;1537725968;a111;Logged on 2018-09-23 15:38 asciilifeform: meanwhile in vintage 'man-alones', http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-29#1550604 >> dead.
1853118;1537725998;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: and for all i know, perished aeons ago, i simply happened to walk the vintage l0g today
1853119;1537726005;ave1;I'll then have to check how gcc sorts the -isystem arguments
1853120;1537726026;mircea_popescu;ave1 entirely poissible trinque 's right, ~random order.
1853121;1537726032;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: for extra bonus lulz, the d00d still hangs in kako's chan, and talks, and as if his world never died, somehow
1853122;1537726033;mircea_popescu;"works sometimes" sorta result.
1853123;1537726103;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform very insidious, this "you can imagine a world for yourself to live in". will take just as much as you got to give. i suppose it should be the fourth rider of apocalypse -- junkies, pleabargains, husbands and tulpas.
1853124;1537726125;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: all of these, 1 horse, really
1853125;1537726140;asciilifeform;perhaps 4 legs of it, if you like
1853126;1537726190;asciilifeform;( some folx never got the memo, that if you imagine world but dun lift a finger to build, the folx in white coats show up eventually )
1853127;1537727054;mircea_popescu;the key's not "lift finger to build", but rather "alter design on basis of reports from builders".
1853128;1537727400;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in trilema spelunkology, anyone recall http://trilema.com/2013/ive-found-her/ ?
1853129;1537727412;deedbot;http://bimbo.club/?p=24 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 9/16/2018
1853130;1537730960;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not only remember, but there was a 2nd part, 'adult woman'
1853131;1537730986;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2016/portrait-of-an-adult-woman/
1853132;1537731067;phf;ave1: thank you for investigation, i've gotten as far myself. there's an implicit global isystem that gets placed ahead of whatever isystem's you pass on command line. i've tried a variety of flags (e.g. --nostdinc), but didn't find the right combination yet. (the other way to discover it instead of using strace is to run the cpp -v command instead with most of the same arguments)
1853133;1537731067;lobbesbot;phf: Sent 9 hours ago: <ave1> been running some tests on my system and it could be that an earlier step failed to install the header files correctly, could you run these commands and send me the output? http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/EllTj/?raw=true
1853134;1537731181;mod6;jurov: plz to check and see if my msg to the ML is stuck in the pipes.  thanks in advance.
1853135;1537731285;mod6;ben_vulpes: plz to bring back mimi to #pizarro for logging
1853136;1537731705;deedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2018/09/23/dressing-directions-of-sorts/ << Ossasepia - Dressing Directions of Sorts
1853137;1537731852;mod6;meanwhile, I've just dropped the thing on my website: http://mod6.net/excise_hash_truncation_regrind/
1853138;1537736012;mircea_popescu;also meanwhile in http://trilema.com/2009/il-stiti-pe-merkley/ : dood's still active (mostly, doing music now). and also @merkley "If you don't hate who I hate then you are hateful and I hate you." - Twitter 2018
1853139;1537736119;mircea_popescu;https://threequestionmarks.com/the-photo-thing%3F%3F%3F << pretty great fucking sendoff, too. "Merkley??? spent a little over a decade with photoshop, naked people, pets and groceries and this is part of what came of it all. When the Kardashians and instagram hit the scene, he sorta lost interest in superficial physical beauty.  I think you know what that's all about."
1853140;1537736131;mircea_popescu;dude was in point of fact doing the whole instagram scene, by himself, AND BETTER, a decade earlier.
1853141;1537736156;mircea_popescu;somehow instagram doesn't feel obligated to always prefix anything they do or say with "you know, we're the shitty merkley??? clone" though.
1853142;1537736163;mircea_popescu;they should be -- anything else is fucking fascism.
1853143;1537736346;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-23#1853137 << this reminds me of an item i had on chalkboard but never had a chance to actually bake -- a running log of where/when (ip, remote ver, time) noad got each incoming candidate block .
1853144;1537736346;a111;Logged on 2018-09-23 19:44 mod6: meanwhile, I've just dropped the thing on my website: http://mod6.net/excise_hash_truncation_regrind/
1853145;1537736376;mircea_popescu;pretty useful.
1853146;1537736424;asciilifeform;i suspect the experiment would quickly reveal where actual blox come from, and from where -- all rubbish, 24/7/365
1853147;1537736478;asciilifeform;... and give clue re the ~troo~ size of the btc net
1853148;1537736562;asciilifeform;would also be interesting to log chain splittage in real time, but this is luxury.
1853149;1537736675;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-23#1853138 << the chix threaded onto a kitchen faucet -- is genius
1853150;1537736675;a111;Logged on 2018-09-23 20:53 mircea_popescu: also meanwhile in http://trilema.com/2009/il-stiti-pe-merkley/ : dood's still active (mostly, doing music now). and also @merkley "If you don't hate who I hate then you are hateful and I hate you." - Twitter 2018
1853151;1537736805;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-23#1853132 << i dun expect there'll be much disagreement, but imho hardcoded paths (to anyffing) Must Die ( naturally wont help folx building on heathen gcc, but speaking of our cemented one )
1853152;1537736805;a111;Logged on 2018-09-23 19:31 phf: ave1: thank you for investigation, i've gotten as far myself. there's an implicit global isystem that gets placed ahead of whatever isystem's you pass on command line. i've tried a variety of flags (e.g. --nostdinc), but didn't find the right combination yet. (the other way to discover it instead of using strace is to run the cpp -v command instead with most of the same arguments)
1853153;1537736852;asciilifeform;... and prolly a necessary pre-req to stripping support for dynamic linkage entirely
1853154;1537736891;asciilifeform;( asciilifeform's main hesitation re subj is how to avoid losing e.g. gprof, on box where 0 dynamics. but this is prolly solvable, somehow )
1853155;1537736906;mircea_popescu;guy was pretty good, yeah. moreover, and importantly -- while his best always was over instagram's best, his EVERY ITEM was always above threshold. whereas instagram's AVERAGE item is always below threshold.
1853156;1537736930;asciilifeform;actual artist beats shit out of fungus, noose at 11..
1853157;1537736990;mircea_popescu;this is a much more fucking important consideration that ever considered, specifically because of the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759568 line.
1853158;1537736990;a111;Logged on 2017-12-28 14:27 mircea_popescu: there is no, strictly speaking, reason that iron MUST be provided on the surface of a planet just like the earth. it ~could~, very well, have simply gone through a place poor in planetoids and ended up entirely iron free on the surface. but it did not.
1853159;1537737022;mircea_popescu;the fact that ~every~ item you look at will turn out to have been ~worth~ looking at is overpowering -- because it makes a life of the mind accessible to much more people.
1853160;1537737039;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: good chunk of planet3 lacks easy iron. hence aztec etc. dead end people.
1853161;1537737048;mircea_popescu;as it stands right now, i and i alone, with the thin sliver of others who presumably exist and presumably can afford to sift through millions of fetlife tards can afford women.
1853162;1537737058;mircea_popescu;if EVERY woman were in fact worth talking to, much more people could enjoy one.
1853163;1537737078;mircea_popescu;but as they're few and far between, well... "transsexuals".
1853164;1537737098;mircea_popescu;"i'm gay" "why ?" "because okcupid sucks and if i ask someone out at work they'll arrest me"
1853165;1537737131;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform precisely. and this supposedly "nascent" culture in our colonies died before it even fucking begun, drowned in this ever-giving gift of consumerism.
1853166;1537737160;mircea_popescu;you know there's women out there, going through every single endless warehouse, feeling between thumb and index every single item of clothing ? years on end like this, never found anything yet.
1853167;1537737176;asciilifeform;relatedly, last i saw ameristan has finally squandered the last of its 1 and only mineral monopoly (helium)
1853168;1537737200;mircea_popescu;now let's back to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-13#1841226
1853169;1537737200;a111;Logged on 2018-08-13 16:54 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: about a decade ago, i bought, on a lark, a keychain thing that claimed to contain all of the text of the then-pediwikia, and had 'random' button. ~99+% of presses of this button, resulted in 'flyshit, montana'-type nowhere-village article.
1853170;1537737237;mircea_popescu;the original reason encyclopedists were even a thing, in the 1800s, was that their product ~was worth reading~ in all cases. the ~entire use of an encyclopedia is for kids to open it randomly and read interesting things regardless.
1853171;1537737237;asciilifeform;lol i still have that thing. lulzily, they were designed and built by a sort of lone wolf craftsman, thing actually runs a forth interpreter.
1853172;1537737244;mircea_popescu;fail at this, the result is not worth the mention.
1853173;1537737247;asciilifeform;theoretically repurposable into sumthing useful..
1853174;1537737262;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform truebeliever manalone.
1853175;1537737271;asciilifeform;as far as i can tell, dead
1853176;1537737281;asciilifeform;( the d00d, not the box, the box is by all indications indestructible )
1853177;1537737292;mircea_popescu;aha
1853178;1537737314;asciilifeform;i wish i knew where he sourced the 1980s 200x100 passive lcd thing in it.
1853179;1537737328;asciilifeform;runs on <1mA or around.
1853180;1537737335;mircea_popescu;aaanyways, i will go on the record to say that the ENTIRE instagram ~culture~, which includes the website, the "content creators", the clones, the conference circlejerk and everything else is an inferior replacement of 90s merkley???
1853181;1537737356;mircea_popescu;and if the latter was wortth maybe a few mn all told, the ENTREI instagram ~culture~ (again -- not just the site) is barely worth 10k.
1853182;1537737374;mircea_popescu;which is eerily similar to what these shits ever sell on an open market, be it myspace, slashdot, or whatever else.
1853183;1537737417;mircea_popescu;separated from the jews "doing great business together", the paintings accidentally destroyed by laundry women go back to their proper fishwrapping value.
1853184;1537737480;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/uhFO6 , http://wiki.seabright.co.nz/wiki/files/both-halves.jpg << upstack-subj, photo.
1853185;1537737544;asciilifeform;( picture if the thing had shipped with an ~actual~ encyclopaedia ! )
1853186;1537737547;mircea_popescu;looks ordinary enough...
1853187;1537737565;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but WHAT actual encyclopedia ? no actual men did no actual things in 70 years!
1853188;1537737580;mircea_popescu;what'd be on it ?
1853189;1537737583;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ahahaaha, see, but runs on pair of alkalines for ~decade. unlike the 'ordinary' lcd pocket boxen sold in pnoje shops etc
1853190;1537737600;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform now thing for a moment --- "random day of logs". suddenly...
1853191;1537737609;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'd settle for the dirigible-era encyclopaedia, if it comes to it
1853192;1537737622;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: or THAT!
1853193;1537737635;mircea_popescu;i suppose i could sell random ro trilema page gizmo.
1853194;1537737642;asciilifeform;easily
1853195;1537737643;mircea_popescu;in that it's finished, it can be toyified.
1853196;1537737654;mircea_popescu;problem with logs or en trilema is that is not yet finished.
1853197;1537737661;asciilifeform;exactly : l0gz perhaps not best use case, because plentiful linkage to net
1853198;1537737677;mircea_popescu;but see, THIS is why no old world encyclopedia no more.
1853199;1537737685;mircea_popescu;because we've actually and for once "moved beyond that"
1853200;1537737691;mircea_popescu;the log as it is is the log as it is is the log, as it is.
1853201;1537737703;asciilifeform;at one time , pre-tmsr, i thought of reprogramming the thing to display naggum. but before ever got around to any such thing, finished reading all of him, turned out he was pretty small
1853202;1537737801;asciilifeform;designer of 'reader' was pretty dumb in 1 way -- if he had made it simple to substitute in new text, thing could be best-seller to this day, imho
1853203;1537737822;asciilifeform;( e.g. hieroglyph learners, could push 'show me random hieroglyph', etc )
1853204;1537737855;mircea_popescu;but see, truebeliever.
1853205;1537737879;mircea_popescu;he wanted to use his skill to help what he thought was the republic flourish.
1853206;1537737887;asciilifeform;dunno if that, or if simple failure of imagination, 'hmm, what text will folx read on a b&w lcd ? iknow, pediwikia'
1853207;1537737897;mircea_popescu;sadly what he thought was the republic was the previous decade's reddit, "outgrowth of a pedo picture trading club"
1853208;1537737937;asciilifeform;'charlie was a chemist, but charlie is no moar, for what he thought was h2o, was h2so4'(tm)(r)
1853209;1537738019;mircea_popescu;speaking of monstrosities like http://btcbase.org/log/2015-01-31#999165 -- i suppose the deep driver of their unhappiness is precisely this, "1990s pedos made wikipedia seem like it's a big deal, and 2000s pedos made reddit seem like it's a big deal. why can't we 2010s pedos make lesswrong/whatever pedo trading post seem like it's a big deal ?!!? god only knows we're the gays of a century ago, god-gifted with the only creativ
1853210;1537738019;a111;Logged on 2015-01-31 00:59 assbot: dgerard comments on The Emperor is Buttnaked (BTC block size discussion with Gavin) ... ( http://bit.ly/1vhO67K )
1853211;1537738019;mircea_popescu;e genius evermore"
1853212;1537738054;mircea_popescu;imo the proposed thought process completely explanatory of the entire menagerie.
1853213;1537738083;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i.e. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-04#1809349 ?
1853214;1537738083;a111;Logged on 2018-05-04 17:15 zx2c4: mircea_popescu: oh. so. "the world doesnt care about the cool hackers on the internet, but only the assholes with prestigious positions." this has been a widely known complaint for a long time
1853215;1537738117;mircea_popescu;notreally. there's a "secret brotherhood", see ?
1853216;1537738135;mircea_popescu;"cool hackers" means jack shit, what is it, kids trying to impress schoolmates ? menalone going their cool way ? what ?
1853217;1537738161;mircea_popescu;it's one step towards republican awakening, sure, "use the fucking noggin". but it's not much by itself.
1853218;1537738164;asciilifeform;i actually have nfi what specifically the zx2c4 d00d was speaking of.
1853219;1537738168;asciilifeform;but pictured sumthing like this
1853220;1537738194;mircea_popescu;whereas the thing with pedos is that they're one step further on the path -- "we have a BROTHERHOOD". pedophilia in the modern sense is a deeply communal activity -- the more people jacking off to the same videos of beheaded children, the more sustainable the activity of beheading childrten.
1853221;1537738212;asciilifeform;lol some brotherhood, they havent even invented omerta
1853222;1537738227;asciilifeform;( and is the reason why usg likes to staff 'bitcoin phoundations' etc with pedos )
1853223;1537738229;mircea_popescu;so ... "follow your own mind, irrespective of anything" PLUS "find others like you" creates... well, before tmsr, it created the only hot core of creation in the empire. hence wikipedia, hence reddit, and so on.
1853224;1537738254;asciilifeform;!#s brock
1853225;1537738254;a111;147 results for "brock", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=brock
1853226;1537738266;mircea_popescu;"read some fucking history", ie, the holy logs, is arguably (at least, from an usg.blue "expert"'s pov) the ~only innovation we bring.
1853227;1537738288;asciilifeform;literacy, it's a thing, aha
1853228;1537738313;mircea_popescu;it's eternaly fascinated, for the zoologist, what portions of the human become visible to the goats and when.
1853229;1537738321;mircea_popescu;"oh, he's got shoes, that's what it is!"
1853230;1537738367;asciilifeform;literacy is the only working defense against the http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-01#472242 thing, and is 'only a terrorist'(tm) 'would make logs'
1853231;1537738367;a111;Logged on 2014-02-01 13:03 mircea_popescu: incidentally, this is how idiots like keiser work, too. all the obscure web "financial experts", or bet picking experts, or so on work on the same business model :
1853232;1537738386;mircea_popescu;anyway, the "alt right" dorks have no genuine driver for community. the pedos gotta trade the pics, there's no way out of this, they'll commune. the "nazis" don't have the driver, which is why they don't manage to amount to much, and hence plaintive lulz all around.
1853233;1537738399;mircea_popescu;i'm too lazy to dig up that twittertwat's lament recently linked.
1853234;1537738418;asciilifeform;which in particular? there's '9000' ~indistinguishable ones
1853235;1537738431;mircea_popescu;now i have to ;/
1853236;1537738507;asciilifeform;the 'right', 'nazi', 'weev', etc , types , not even reached level where can discuss 'community', they're still seated firmly in the comfortable usg.provocateur 'right bottle of pepsi' theatre
1853237;1537738554;asciilifeform;y'know, the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1756992 pit.
1853238;1537738554;a111;Logged on 2017-12-22 17:18 weevlos: trinque: we are a media publication. our power and capital comes from the number of visitors we have to the site. we aim to transform through culture. if normal people cannot visit our site we are not accomplishing our goal
1853239;1537738578;asciilifeform;'rezistenta prin cultura'(tm)(r)
1853240;1537738720;mircea_popescu;meh can't fucking find it. some pantsuit-in-alt-colors prop derping about how unfair it is that his followers don't follow, and how much he spent having a security detail to eat sushi
1853241;1537738738;asciilifeform;iirc the milo antonopolis d00d
1853242;1537738774;asciilifeform;( did some shilling for 'new, exciting' trump, then saw what summed to and went to the bottle )
1853243;1537738797;mircea_popescu;nah, some "gamergate" dood.
1853244;1537738852;asciilifeform;hm nfi then
1853245;1537738862;asciilifeform;but there's, yes, 9000 laments like this
1853246;1537738879;asciilifeform;'what do you mean i was talking to /dev/null, where is my purpose nao!'
1853247;1537738908;mircea_popescu;also known as http://trilema.com/2017/where-the-fuck-is-everyone/
1853248;1537738927;asciilifeform;with the opposite charge, but aha same basic particle
1853249;1537738998;mircea_popescu;anyway, leaving behind the point -- there's a lot of frustration among "community organizers" (as the niggers prefer to call themselves) when they DO manage to community-organize and nothing fucking happens still.
1853250;1537739009;mircea_popescu;"but teach, this is so unfair, those other guys didn't even do this much!" sorta complaints.
1853251;1537739032;asciilifeform;'spreading worked, but where is the eating!, reddit got to eat! we read it , on reddit'
1853252;1537739088;asciilifeform;( there was a related mircea_popescu piece re paulgraham et al, in re how they tried to cargocult-revive orig 'dotcom' bacchanalia )
1853253;1537739146;mircea_popescu;so in short, what i'm working towards here, is that besides the elliot, who is the icon of the first pass, earnest and open, "salt of the earth" ustard, there's also http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-16#1850611
1853254;1537739146;a111;Logged on 2018-09-16 03:07 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in about-as-interesting-as-usg lulz, https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Jeremy_Hambly
1853255;1537739160;asciilifeform;the fundamental lul is that it is impossible to explain to such patient exactly why money printer spilled forth tonnes of luscious green for his predecessor but doesn't want to for him
1853256;1537739172;mircea_popescu;that'd be the prototypical "community organizer" who is very angry not because, as elliot, "his birthright" of tall blond nubiles was denied him
1853257;1537739184;asciilifeform;aaa ! him! that was the item upstack
1853258;1537739187;mircea_popescu;but because his ~earned~ magic, of communityorganizing, failed to deliver the result printed on box.
1853259;1537739247;asciilifeform;( btw prior to reading the hambly link i had nfi that 'world', what to call it, existed )
1853260;1537739262;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform intel meanwhile located item : http://archive.is/FzrUw#selection-1323.0-1351.334
1853261;1537739278;asciilifeform;aa so ~was~ milo, lol
1853262;1537739279;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> the 'right', 'nazi', 'weev', etc , types , not even reached level where can discuss 'community', they're still seated firmly in the comfortable usg.provocateur 'right bottle of pepsi' theatre << They also fall into the pulp "Laws of Power" fanfic things so every single one imagines themselves the BIGGEST, leaderest, etc
1853263;1537739353;mircea_popescu;o damn, the "law of attraction" magix. not to be forgotten.
1853264;1537739382;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> nah, some "gamergate" dood. << That was Milo, did gamergate, tried to jump on the trump train as token jewish homosexual bragging about BBC trophies, that discovery of his audience free status
1853265;1537739397;asciilifeform;in mostly unrelated lulz, there are apparently noads who shove a couple 100 MB (!) of bastard blox into a connected trb, prior to the latter throwing the ban switch ( because of the idjit shitoshi networking routine, actual disconnect happens a good 10-20sec after ban )
1853266;1537739398;mircea_popescu;aha!
1853267;1537739416;asciilifeform;prolly good candidate for a fyootoor pill
1853268;1537739500;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: in so far as i can tell, d00d was actually dumb enuff to believe that 'reddit right is a political force to be reckoned with' or somesuch
1853269;1537739519;mircea_popescu;see, but this is precisely what i'm saying... "why is my community organizing not doing anything".
1853270;1537739520;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I dunno he believed anything in particular
1853271;1537739537;BingoBoingo;Milo was purely performative, like the Police Special Forces
1853272;1537739540;mircea_popescu;the originally linked pedo, very similarly, "how could MY government not stopped bitcoin as i predicted by=yearly since 2012!!"
1853273;1537739542;asciilifeform;'i sat and preached to this pig sty for decade, whaddayamean pigs dun win elections'
1853274;1537739542;mircea_popescu;and so on.
1853275;1537739627;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: from human pov, ~all~ of what these derps do is 'purely performative' -- rather like those ruminants whose horns are set at such angle that they can never actually ding one another
1853276;1537739635;asciilifeform;but from their own eyes, naturally, 'mystery'
1853277;1537739643;mircea_popescu;basically, the zek's model is elliot ; but the pantsuitklatura's model is hamby.
1853278;1537739753;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I mean as in the guy took acting classes, Hollywood didn't call back, decided to do the irony schtick for a buck. Only sligtly less human view.
1853279;1537739812;BingoBoingo;In other oncology https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/un-poco-de-agua-fria-para-el-mate-2012825660
1853280;1537739830;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: pretty typical, as i understand, for 'rear-wheel-drived' fellas ( btw i wonder what they're called in ro )
1853281;1537739963;BingoBoingo;That's what his twitter/reddit "supporters" figured too when the maybe pedo thing broke
1853282;1537740105;asciilifeform;or, moar recent example, the (gassed yet?) wilson d00d. apparently on top of the cnc thing, also made a 'hatreon', 'nazi' clone of patreon pantsuitism
1853283;1537740154;asciilifeform;( quite likely even what got him nominated for woodchipper, i can't picture anybody on either side giving half a shit re umpteenth micro-cnc )
1853284;1537740268;asciilifeform;!#s hatereon
1853285;1537740268;a111;0 results for "hatereon", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=hatereon
1853286;1537740271;asciilifeform;hm.
1853287;1537740293;asciilifeform;( erry bit as snoar as it sounds, iirc . but somewhat surprised that 0 log . )
1853288;1537740306;BingoBoingo;Well, the derps who figured the pedo thing justified their demographic objections to Milo tend to be referring to Wilson's entrapmant as a such
1853289;1537740445;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the usual reddit-idjit red herring. ( as if he ~had~ to fuck a 17.9 y.o. whore, to be put on assange list, and would somehow not have sufficed that he wore leather shoes, or maybe said unkind word re j00z, or torrented 'star wars ixxxv' or whatever )
1853290;1537740492;mircea_popescu;i suppose http://trilema.com/2017/what-gets-me-hot/ is very much apropos
1853291;1537740503;mircea_popescu;(pro tip : cunt therein depicted is attached to 15yo)
1853292;1537740505;asciilifeform;!#s crime of american
1853293;1537740505;a111;28 results for "crime of american", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=crime%20of%20american
1853294;1537740512;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2012/the-crime-of-being-american/ << $item.
1853295;1537740641;asciilifeform;социалистическая законность (tm)(r) btw.
1853296;1537740681;asciilifeform;^ what they called this system in the old su.
1853297;1537740860;asciilifeform;there's a reason they try to set up 'fucked 17yo' for these, it is a kind of gold standard, rather like the old 'trotskyite counter-revolutionary activity', tends to put a cork in all discussion in derposphere by harnessing the healthy hatred for podesta-style pedo, insta-alchemizes accusation into 'guilt', etc
1853298;1537740900;mircea_popescu;possibru
1853299;1537740922;asciilifeform;the unquenchable hatred of the elliots for d00d who had some sort of quasi-desirable sex somewhere , somehow , also , i suspect, helps
1853300;1537740925;mircea_popescu;i can't imagine who'd seriously claim fucking teen's offensive ; but i can certainly see the schadenfreunde.
1853301;1537740996;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: who ? all the wizened derps, starting with that defrocked general, and all the way down to typical ameri-konsoomer, the one who gets to maybe see cuntlips when he's 'been good' to picket fence wife and bought her n-th house
1853302;1537741039;asciilifeform;'puritan ethic' or how did they call it.
1853303;1537741051;mircea_popescu;i suppose.
1853304;1537741066;mircea_popescu;you mean these are on social media ?
1853305;1537741076;asciilifeform;castration cult rose up in old europistan, french, spanish, tried to stomp it out, failed, y'know the rest
1853306;1537741142;asciilifeform;( or if you like, castration cult rose up in rome, they tried to ddt, but... ) lol
1853307;1537741285;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's the 1 thing ameritards all seem to agree on. gun, dope, 'illegal' finance, etc cases, sometimes jury nullifies. but 'fucked 17yo? 20 to life' seems to be solidly a-ok by typical ameri-idjit
1853308;1537741325;asciilifeform;they see it as righteous dekulakization.
1853309;1537741390;asciilifeform;i actually have a d00d, at the outer foggy reaches of my l2, who did 5y for 17yo.
1853310;1537741418;asciilifeform;iirc jury deliberated for all of 10 seconds.
1853311;1537741462;asciilifeform;in usa.
1853312;1537741468;asciilifeform;!#s cracking the furry safe
1853313;1537741469;a111;0 results for "cracking the furry safe", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=cracking%20the%20furry%20safe
1853314;1537741471;asciilifeform;hm.
1853315;1537741501;asciilifeform;^ su had ~similar article in penal code, and was called this by typical zeks.
1853316;1537741518;*;trinque suspects the ritual is about avoiding sexual imprinting at a critical age
1853317;1537741537;asciilifeform;trinque: well yes, gotta keep up the production of nedeflorenas somewhow
1853318;1537741538;trinque;anyone who had clingy teenaged girlfriends growing up oughta have same data
1853319;1537741546;asciilifeform;considering that usg apparatus runs ~100% on them at this point
1853320;1537741566;trinque;then they can enter 20s hateful, emotionally damaged, etc
1853321;1537741594;asciilifeform;trinque: aha, gotta clerk doj with these, they're primo material
1853322;1537741686;asciilifeform;phunphakt, this is one of those 'national seekoority' things they claim extraterritoriality on -- fuck a 17.99999yo in paris, bang, you're assange
1853323;1537741780;mircea_popescu;you know, ftr, the case there was under 17.
1853324;1537741791;asciilifeform;was it ? i dun specifically recall.
1853325;1537741832;asciilifeform;i dun see how the exact constant makes a practical diff tho
1853326;1537741846;asciilifeform;( wonder, does saudi subject lose his head if it gets out that he went to london and had a whiskey ? )
1853327;1537741983;BingoBoingo;Anyways, because Bush and Obama buried http://trilema.com/2013/the-pulizer-prostitute/#selection-95.0-95.405 it stands that Podesta just might get cuffed around the time of the 2020 Iowa primary
1853328;1537742050;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: at this rate i fully expect that he, clitler, and the rest, will succumb to old age long before they see so much as a fine
1853329;1537742119;BingoBoingo;What, after packing the courts and other appointables through 2019 old clown man isn't going to hammer the re-election?
1853330;1537742154;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: only pantsuit-approved folx get appointed, recall.
1853331;1537742160;asciilifeform;( they have this 'confirmations' thing )
1853332;1537742273;BingoBoingo;That's what the current 80's Party Groping fight generating all the noise right now is about. Pantsuit stretching to beat/delay a Trump nominee on parlimentary procedure.
1853333;1537742546;mircea_popescu;saudi subject loses head if caught with diet pills.
1853334;1537742581;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo seems rather likely.
1853335;1537742647;BingoBoingo;Latest is the Girl testifies Thursday morning or never. Confirmation vot has to happen at arbitray time in the afternoon or the hearing have to start over because of rules wank
1853336;1537742834;deedbot;http://bimbo.club/?p=25 << Bimbo.Club - Time wounds all heels
1853337;1537744704;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what's a 'diet pill' anyway ? is it simply euphemism for ??? synthetic dope 'not banned in usgreich yet'
1853338;1537744723;asciilifeform;( in the spirit of the old 'bath salts' thing )
1853339;1537745292;BingoBoingo;Yeah, generally ephedrine sorta stimulants
1853340;1537745437;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: hm, i thought these long ago verboten in reich
1853341;1537745461;BingoBoingo;Well, its a big family of chemicals
1853342;1537745484;BingoBoingo;In US this probably means now Caffeine + mystery kicker
1853343;1537745487;asciilifeform;( in usgistan proper, they even have an 'analogues act' )
1853344;1537745490;asciilifeform;aa.
1853345;1537745535;asciilifeform;sounds like one of those dopes that is 'its own punishment', like krokodil
1853346;1537745618;Mocky;usg dun care about ephedrine. i ordered from canadian pharmacy, contents printed on package
1853347;1537745625;asciilifeform;lol!
1853348;1537745627;*;asciilifeform had nfi
1853349;1537745664;asciilifeform;last i recall, snot-nose pills were removed from shelves because 'ephedrine, and somebody could methylate it!' , in mid-2000s
1853350;1537745694;Mocky;indeed so.
1853351;1537745700;BingoBoingo;That's pseudoephedrine, but yeah. A bit slow in USG
1853352;1537745707;Mocky;i wanted to try it. was dealing with a weight problem
1853353;1537745778;asciilifeform;in '80s su, there was a period when undergrads 'rediscovered' meth, on own power, as ephedrine was openly sold by the litre 'for asthmatic'
1853354;1537745802;asciilifeform;very peculiarly by ameri-lights, there was no 'dope market', 100% of the eaters made own
1853355;1537745861;BingoBoingo;Mocky: How are your preparations for Qatar going?
1853356;1537745863;asciilifeform;spread like a lolcat meme, and mostly vanished away as the old students died away, perestroika 'modernity' took hold and brought manufactured dopes
1853357;1537745966;Mocky;feels like a mad dash with only two weeks before lift off BingoBoingo. new luggage arrived today.
1853358;1537745991;BingoBoingo;Cool
1853359;1537746005;asciilifeform;Mocky: out of curiosity, from what didja study
1853360;1537746027;asciilifeform;( see earlier subthread, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-23#1852991 )
1853361;1537746027;a111;Logged on 2018-09-23 16:14 asciilifeform: i'm going from a very vintage brit b00k, with very flavourful examples, e.g. 'donkey is poor man's horse', 'i killed the man whose uncle killed my father', 'to be killed is the noblest death', etc in this spirit
1853362;1537746035;BingoBoingo;Mocky: Remember if you have any questions that I did live in a travel accomodation for more than half a year.
1853363;1537746079;Mocky;asciilifeform, a brit book, but prolly less vintage: J.R. Smart '86
1853364;1537746085;Mocky;among a few others
1853365;1537746159;asciilifeform;Mocky: the item in $thread, btw, was by one a. s. tritton , 1943
1853366;1537746343;asciilifeform;d00d also had a number of items re islamic theology, schisms, etc. but none of it locatable from my perch
1853367;1537746777;Mocky;BingoBoingo, thx, I'm sure i'll have questions aplenty
1853368;1537749990;BingoBoingo;Anyways, got your workstation carrying setup all picked out?
1853369;1537750167;Mocky;yeah, laptop in a laptop bag. has been my primary workstation for some years now. except not packing the 43in monitor!
1853370;1537750214;asciilifeform;Mocky: hey, at least you dun have the pain of mircea_popescu , who left a whole trinitron behind in old world
1853371;1537750226;asciilifeform;!#s trinitron
1853372;1537750227;a111;40 results for "trinitron", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=trinitron
1853373;1537750291;Mocky;i haven't done trinitron in like 12 years.
1853374;1537750321;Mocky;lappy screen is 4k. overkill honestly for a 15 inch
1853375;1537750349;Mocky;unless ur a hunchback i suppose
1853376;1537750366;asciilifeform;Mocky: trinitron was (imho) the acme of display
1853377;1537750445;asciilifeform;not really equaled since ( tho supposedly the recent led panels just about reproduce the old crt phosphours -- but i cannot bring myself to buy, they suffer some 1980s-esque 'burn in' )
1853378;1537750455;Mocky;great yeah if you hate desk space, lift weights and like hefty curvature
1853379;1537750474;asciilifeform;how often you lift yer display.
1853380;1537750487;Mocky;don't get me wrong, i loved mine back in the day
1853381;1537750495;asciilifeform;( and besides, 21 in. thing was, what , 80 pounds, nuffin to write home about mass-wise )
1853382;1537750550;Mocky;and that hum, lol
1853383;1537750581;asciilifeform;i actually had one of those strap belt things, for carrying the thing
1853384;1537750643;Mocky;yeah, not that heavy really just awkward to move solo
1853385;1537750644;asciilifeform;https://www.geargrip.com/images/crt_iso.gif << similar item
1853386;1537750688;asciilifeform;made the chore quite a bit lighter
1853387;1537750688;Mocky;oh nice, first time seeing anything like that
1853388;1537750704;asciilifeform;Mocky: these used to be sold in comp-related shops errywhere
1853389;1537750709;asciilifeform;there's one for towers also
1853390;1537750746;asciilifeform;( with tower it is much easier to dispense with this, you can bolt an ordinary desk drawer steel handle to most of'em in a few min )
1853391;1537750826;asciilifeform;i traditionally have wheels on my towers, also worx great.
1853392;1537750845;Mocky;i guess you don't need to stack them
1853393;1537750859;asciilifeform;lol why would i stack'em.
1853394;1537750873;asciilifeform;( and if you must, you stack horizontally, wheels dun hurt )
1853395;1537750925;*;asciilifeform brb,meat
1853396;1537751059;Mocky;multiple trinitrons on the desk, multiple towers unstacked or stacked horizontally. sounds like asciilifeform has square footage to spare
1853397;1537751553;BingoBoingo;To be fair to asciilifeform, when he travelled to Montevideo he kept his personal kit very compact in order to favor cargo
1853398;1537751670;Mocky;i have a bag to check, but not even sure at this point if it will be half full.
1853399;1537752163;BingoBoingo;That's too be expected. At this point consider looking at what will be lucrative to bring, and try to find what simply isn't available there
1853400;1537753500;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in entomo-lulz: readerz will recall, the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-18#1835666 'prophecy' bore out into http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-17#1850785 самокритика-fest. nao, for next lul in series :
1853401;1537753500;a111;Logged on 2018-07-18 00:10 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-17#1835536 << such a fucking injun. how, just HOW does one get so fucking stupid. "jwz" amirite, "he only wanted to". this existence is too burdensome for the likes of special cunthead.
1853402;1537753500;a111;Logged on 2018-09-17 13:40 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: torvalds's thing reads like the zinoviev&kamenev 'confessions'
1853403;1537753665;asciilifeform;linus formally surrendered, and nao there is, as i gather, auditions being held, for who will get to be his new bob beck politruk;
1853404;1537753684;asciilifeform;and, first auditioner, apparently, none other than old judas esr :
1853405;1537753687;asciilifeform;https://lkml.org/lkml/2018/9/23/212 ( http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-17#1850847 )
1853406;1537753687;a111;Logged on 2018-09-17 14:14 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: linus's kernel was the last remaining 'open sores' item that was 'usable from upstream' afaik.
1853407;1537753693;asciilifeform;grr
1853408;1537753716;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/40C97 << correct link
1853409;1537753818;asciilifeform;tldr : d00d trying to organize some sort of peasant rebellion, to mop up what remains of the +ev contributors, under guise of 'protest'
1853410;1537754114;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/qQDUD << detail re 'killswitch' lul.
1853411;1537754187;asciilifeform;'Contributors: You were promised something, you laboured for that promise, and now the promise has become a lie. You have remedies available to you now, as-well as in the close future .' etc
1853412;1537754508;Mocky;'Several users on 4chan’s technology board speculate that Theo is targeted first because he famously resisted an Intel backdoor.'
1853413;1537754521;asciilifeform;i expect either a) whole thing is made to silently evaporate , via the usual means  b) gpl is formally unwound by usg 'courts', so rathead et al can carry along. i dun see a c) ...
1853414;1537754767;asciilifeform;ianal, but per current usg copyrasty system, copyrights in fact stay with authors, unless sold ( apriori, as in 'work for hire', or post -- if sold, or reassigned by idiot for phree, as e.g. rms demands of authors )
1853415;1537754885;asciilifeform;so in principle afaik yes folx can demand to get their coad pulled from sjw.linux. nao, what practical result will be, no prizes for guessing.
1853416;1537754966;asciilifeform;( spoiler : either 0, see above, or >0, in which case microshit gets an even bigger crater than it originally paid for )
1853417;1537755098;asciilifeform;it is interesting to consider diff b/w esr and linus. esr judased a thing he had 0 part in baking, and wanked for 20y on the periphery of. linus on oher hand merrily fucked not only the folx who were dumb enuff to invest 25y into baking with him, but... own life's work
1853418;1537755204;asciilifeform;colour me thick, but i fully expected he'd take cyanide publicly before descending to this kind of bottom.
1853419;1537755284;Mocky;i noticed blackmail conspiracy theory at that link, maybe consorted with 17.99 yo
1853420;1537755286;asciilifeform;and ftr i dun buy mircea_popescu's 'was always a shit' hypothesis. d00d by any possible measure 'by the fruits' was NOT always-shit.
1853421;1537755300;asciilifeform;was 'silent like partizan'. until day x.
1853422;1537755414;asciilifeform;Mocky: it isnt clear to me what sort of blackmail could compare with the surrender. say they put him in electric chair, for killing kennedy, what of it. see also http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-23#1852995 .
1853423;1537755414;a111;Logged on 2018-09-23 16:17 asciilifeform: 'die not the straw death!'(tm)(r)(odin)
1853424;1537755529;asciilifeform;then again, for all i know, d00d is already trooly and properly dead, and the surrender was penned for him. ( btw anybody located a signed copy ? and what's the most recent signed linus material anyway ? )
1853425;1537755547;Mocky;"NOT always-shit" != "willing to go to the chair still"
1853426;1537755628;asciilifeform;could argue that he already begun quisling when he permitted 'linux foundation' ( sponsor of such 'luminaries' as gavin ) to make use of his trademark
1853427;1537755639;asciilifeform;!#s linux foundation
1853428;1537755639;a111;44 results for "linux foundation", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=linux%20foundation
1853429;1537755673;asciilifeform;back then was still possible to explain as act of stupidity, tho
1853430;1537755759;Mocky;I have nfi, never followed closely
1853431;1537755788;asciilifeform;Mocky: i'm not aware of any public discussion re subj to follow, outside of the l0gz
1853432;1537755833;asciilifeform;there appeared out of the usg depths, this squid, 'linux foundation', sponsored at various times erry possible scamola, prb, later gavinisms, tor, etc
1853433;1537755870;asciilifeform;linus in principle had the right to sue for immediate desist of use of his trademark. did not do it.
1853434;1537755945;asciilifeform;( whether could have won, or not, whoknows, usg 'court' is approx a bank balance contest. but did not even TRY )
1853435;1537756116;asciilifeform;btw upstack peanut gallery thread has coupla interesting nuggets : apparently vultures already circling, professional politruks already publishing their projected ~expenses against linux~ for their 'service' of 'administering code of conduct'
1853436;1537756154;asciilifeform;delish, the smell of fresh corpse, to these, apparently.
1853437;1537756229;asciilifeform;i imagine a maggot's idea of heaven, this, the fresh meat with no prev maggot crew.
1853438;1537756996;Mocky;in other news, Qatar becomes First Gulf State to Offer Expat Permanent Residency http://archive.is/8BXOX
1853439;1537757042;Mocky;but only if lived there for 20 years and among 100 'blessed' applicants per year
1853440;1537757086;Mocky;also apparently lifting exit visa requirement
1853441;1537757116;asciilifeform;'Qatar is abolishing the exit visa required before expatriate workers are allowed to leave the country' << interesting
1853442;1537757121;asciilifeform;i recall a subj thrd
1853443;1537757170;asciilifeform;'those born abroad would need to have lived there 20 years' << bit of a downer
1853444;1537757365;asciilifeform;Mocky: makes e.g. ru citizenship look easy.
1853445;1537757461;asciilifeform;( 5y iirc )
1853446;1537757479;Mocky;seems like a play at keeping those who are already 'lifers', but unofficially so
1853447;1537757481;asciilifeform;20y puts it in the weight category of jp, lichtenstein, swiss.
1853448;1537757500;asciilifeform;Mocky: likely
1853449;1537758111;Mocky;ha, "However, the new decree stipulates that if a permanent resident leaves Qatar for more than six months, the interior minister could withdraw from the residency"
1853450;1537760443;BingoBoingo;They seem to have the usual "marry a qualified local get a permit" deal
1853451;1537760532;mircea_popescu;o wow, logexplosion
1853452;1537760855;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-24#1853417 << then people want to talk about how "you can never trust bitcoin operators, always will split and run".
1853453;1537760855;a111;Logged on 2018-09-24 02:11 asciilifeform: it is interesting to consider diff b/w esr and linus. esr judased a thing he had 0 part in baking, and wanked for 20y on the periphery of. linus on oher hand merrily fucked not only the folx who were dumb enuff to invest 25y into baking with him, but... own life's work
1853454;1537760900;mircea_popescu;somehow i expect the linux bonfire will not be included in the list of http://trilema.com/2012/and-another-one-bites-the-dust-bitmarketeu/
1853455;1537760971;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-24#1853420 << i re-read his early announcements re nascent linux (publicly, quoted here) and was not impressed. no, not always shit. always manalone. this DOES NOT work.
1853456;1537760971;a111;Logged on 2018-09-24 02:14 asciilifeform: and ftr i dun buy mircea_popescu's 'was always a shit' hypothesis. d00d by any possible measure 'by the fruits' was NOT always-shit.
1853457;1537760999;mircea_popescu;for the exact reason on display : even the most heady, hardy etc still get old and stupid eventually. and later is actually worse than early.
1853458;1537761073;mircea_popescu;anyway. i comiserate, terrible days for asciilifeform ; erryone in his pre-wot just keeps turning shitty.
1853459;1537761106;asciilifeform;eh not exactly sudden, this death
1853460;1537761132;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-24#1853434 << importantly, did not even do the item which was all that was needed "there are some muppets out there misusing my trademark, they're scammers and do not deal with them"
1853461;1537761132;a111;Logged on 2018-09-24 02:25 asciilifeform: ( whether could have won, or not, whoknows, usg 'court' is approx a bank balance contest. but did not even TRY )
1853462;1537761137;mircea_popescu;make it a toxic item in short order.
1853463;1537761159;asciilifeform;( i specifically foretold , e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-17#1835536 )
1853464;1537761159;a111;Logged on 2018-07-17 13:00 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-17#1835518 << linus is not immortal, and i expect that he will lose control of kernel -- just as he stupidly lost control of his trademark to 'linux foundation' (y'know, with gavin on staff) -- even before dies
1853465;1537761222;mircea_popescu;somewhere someone (lafond maybe ?) explains the problem of "conservative" or "republican" or w/e, johnny cash style pantsuit fucktard, whereby he's "lawyering up" in his mind, and can't curbstomp nigger at first sign of potential disobedience. "oh, he just asked me the time FOR DIFFERENT REASONS ALTOGETHER, this isn't LEGITIMATE REASON to bas his skull in"
1853466;1537761267;mircea_popescu;kinda the problem of freebased i-cant-believe-hes-not-republican, or in asciilifeform 's parlance "partizans" : they have some complicated nonsense about "justifiable use of force" bla bla bla, can't simply bash in heads who "did nothing to you" etc.
1853467;1537761277;Mocky;BingoBoingo, yeah but even if you could find one of the ~30k marriage age females (among 3.7M pop), and convince her to endure the social downgrade and forgo citizenship for any children, MUST then convince bride's father & suiter then converts to islam!
1853468;1537761326;BingoBoingo;Makes the 20 years look easier doesn't it
1853469;1537761335;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i suspect, in these, simple cowardice, they aimt eager to move out of the mental universe where 'law and order' and into the lafond planet where earthly carcass actually finds itself
1853470;1537761336;Mocky;lol!
1853471;1537761348;mircea_popescu;and they are stubbornly stupid enough so that neither display of the correct behaviour (say in the celebrated http://trilema.com/2014/the-public-burning-of-bob-beck/ ) nor the theoretical explanation of the methodology (at leastr in http://trilema.com/2014/the-logical-impossibility-and-the-moral-untenability-of-forgiveness/ ) clicks with the shit in their heads
1853472;1537761418;asciilifeform;i still dun fully grasp the process whereby a theo 'marries' a bobbeck. what's the draw, exactly
1853473;1537761423;mircea_popescu;aaanyway, whatever. the wages of sin are death.
1853474;1537761449;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i quoted the ur item here once, i think. was schmuck on "wikipedia admin board" going to "help out" unless "anyone asks him to stop".
1853475;1537761466;mircea_popescu;they just show up, you understand ? remember the item which set the moron bit on djb for me ? some "vance" moron ?
1853476;1537761473;mircea_popescu;these people simply can not crush a cuntbug.
1853477;1537761484;mircea_popescu;exactly for the reason described, "did nothing to me" etc.
1853478;1537761496;asciilifeform;and from this, goes to have power of attourney and trademark rights? bit of a climb eh
1853479;1537761521;mircea_popescu;heir projected ~expenses against linux~ for their 'service' of 'administering code of conduct' << thjis is all the us ever is anymore.
1853480;1537761532;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hey, they got 20 years to slowly do it.
1853481;1537761562;mircea_popescu;but -- yes. the us never had a "leader" other than this sort of scum, slowly worming itself into position. not in the past century, which is to say -- not since it stopped mattering.
1853482;1537761562;asciilifeform;reminds of old-school 'grifters', the kind that marry 85yo heiress
1853483;1537761569;mircea_popescu;precisely what it is.
1853484;1537761584;mircea_popescu;and the principle is so very celebrated there, they even have it enshrined as the ~only basis of senate
1853485;1537761600;mircea_popescu;they go so far as to say "do not vote for this guy, who is new, vote for the known-corrupt-asshole HE HAS SENIORITY"
1853486;1537761629;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-24#1853437 << yes. politically speaking, linux must be utterly destroyed, now.
1853487;1537761629;a111;Logged on 2018-09-24 02:30 asciilifeform: i imagine a maggot's idea of heaven, this, the fresh meat with no prev maggot crew.
1853488;1537761639;asciilifeform;homo bigmackicus will vote for whatever tv instructs, yes
1853489;1537761650;mircea_popescu;which, amusingly enough, is quite convenient for us to do, what with all of trinque's ave1 's & everyoes workl in that direction.
1853490;1537761691;mircea_popescu;transforming it into a shitpyre wherein the delicious butttears of thousands of http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/ manaloning engineers flow freely is the play.
1853491;1537761714;mircea_popescu;let the maggots learn the value of stolen stack is 0, and let the "independent", "anonymous" humanrightsetc imbeciles learn there is no life outside of the republic.
1853492;1537761717;asciilifeform;i for one have my kernel, and dun expect to ever miss the Official 'new'
1853493;1537761747;*;asciilifeform brb,meat
1853494;1537761814;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-24#1853449 << i would seriously not worry about this paper wank.
1853495;1537761814;a111;Logged on 2018-09-24 03:01 Mocky: ha, "However, the new decree stipulates that if a permanent resident leaves Qatar for more than six months, the interior minister could withdraw from the residency"
1853496;1537761830;mircea_popescu;get in a room with the respective people, put the matter plainly to them, shake pinkies and that's that.
1853497;1537761838;mircea_popescu;i never knew paperwork to be worth two shits in arab world.
1853498;1537761852;mircea_popescu;and i never knew bloomberg to be a source on anything besides pop culture.
1853499;1537762765;Mocky;mircea_popescu, so local sponsor must hold >50% controlling interest in any new business. local chamber of commerce apparently on the look out for profitable opportunities with foreigners. I'm not sure where else to look specifically aside from generally making a lot of friends and getting introductions.
1853500;1537763173;Mocky;I'm looking at local conferences, local politics, tech and business groups / meetups. expect to chat up street market vendors on the regular if these are actually arabs and not indians
1853501;1537763496;trinque;asciilifeform: hate to report that I just noticed my pizarro box (running aggression) was sitting there doing absolutely nothing for about 4k blox
1853502;1537763518;trinque;kill trb, restarts, resumes eating
1853503;1537764187;asciilifeform;trinque: 4k ?!
1853504;1537764269;asciilifeform;trinque: not long ago noticed a 400 blox gap on mine, where interestingly restarting did not fix, had to sit for the typical n days and finally meet noads who actually have new blox and dun get malleus'd
1853505;1537764287;asciilifeform;it's a network problem, not a trb one.
1853506;1537764299;trinque;eh, I'm not convinced of that
1853507;1537764314;asciilifeform;trinque: care to post log ?
1853508;1537764316;trinque;the behavior I've seen is that this particular box gets stuck, always immediately resumes receiving blocks when trb is restarted
1853509;1537764327;asciilifeform;cuz it connects to diff nodes.
1853510;1537764339;asciilifeform;on restart. elementarily.
1853511;1537764347;trinque;this is well known
1853512;1537764362;trinque;what I don't have a model for yet is the perma-stuck state
1853513;1537764363;asciilifeform;and otherwise happy to sit for 100 yrs talking to same fuckewits
1853514;1537764391;asciilifeform;i've yet to see this 'stuck', aside from when actively verifying blox. if node with next block shows up, it goes.
1853515;1537764392;trinque;ah, well, the fuckwittism spread, because I've cron'd  killall -SIGQUIT bitcoind  now
1853516;1537764452;trinque;thing really needs a "everyone I know is retarded, forget them and move on"
1853517;1537764472;asciilifeform;trinque: iirc ben_vulpes actually wrote an experimental this
1853518;1537764477;asciilifeform;but i have not tested
1853519;1537764660;asciilifeform;btw ( and this is not mega-revelation... ) 99.999..+% of noad traffic, is worse than useless -- box is speaking with noads who do not either bring it luscious next valid blox, NOR carry yer tx'en closer to miner, NOR even serve up full chain and enforce trad rulez thereon
1853520;1537764667;asciilifeform;they're just plain dross.
1853521;1537764682;asciilifeform;that we presently have no way to fully be rid of. is all.
1853522;1537764796;asciilifeform;this is an open problem. but there are some pretty simple things that still need doin', e.g. pill for http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-23#1853265
1853523;1537764796;a111;Logged on 2018-09-23 21:49 asciilifeform: in mostly unrelated lulz, there are apparently noads who shove a couple 100 MB (!) of bastard blox into a connected trb, prior to the latter throwing the ban switch ( because of the idjit shitoshi networking routine, actual disconnect happens a good 10-20sec after ban )
1853524;1537764824;trinque;heh, delayed gag reflex.
1853525;1537764835;asciilifeform;lolyes
1853526;1537764874;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-24#1853486 << twist : turns out linus has 'intersectional-feminist'(tm) daughter, who helped to break him
1853527;1537764874;a111;Logged on 2018-09-24 04:00 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-24#1853437 << yes. politically speaking, linux must be utterly destroyed, now.
1853528;1537764963;asciilifeform;trinque: the crapola-gluetrap steadystate in trb is what i was trying to kill with 'wires' experiment
1853529;1537764992;asciilifeform;was dead end, tho, at least in the way originally written
1853530;1537765056;trinque;quick update on cuntoo before I depart. the fully machine-driven transformation from snapshotted gentoo to cuntoo genesis.vpatch works, and successfully rebuilt itself whole. I've also got the classical gentoo repo acting as a subordinate repository, such that porting ebuilds will be extremely easy (i.e. gentoo repo is now an overlay, just like musl overlay, which can be used or not as decreed by operator,
1853531;1537765058;trinque;but is not required for a cuntoo base system)
1853532;1537765067;asciilifeform;neato.
1853533;1537765087;*;asciilifeform looks forward to test 
1853534;1537765121;trinque;what's left is to shave further weight out of the genesis (currently approx 12M, but this without purging unused versions of used ebuilds), and the accompanying post
1853535;1537765142;trinque;might even get an order of magnitude out of the vpatch with the purge.
1853536;1537765251;trinque;genesis will be the frozen-in-time found item, and from there I'll be looking forward to patches to add ave1 gcc (and later ave1-reproducible-build-gcc), other improvements.
1853537;1537765336;*;trinque afk
1853538;1537776795;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-24#1853499 << me either, honestly.
1853539;1537776795;a111;Logged on 2018-09-24 04:19 Mocky: mircea_popescu, so local sponsor must hold >50% controlling interest in any new business. local chamber of commerce apparently on the look out for profitable opportunities with foreigners. I'm not sure where else to look specifically aside from generally making a lot of friends and getting introductions.
1853540;1537776840;mircea_popescu;i wouldn't say that you're required/expected to actually go into some sort of "sponsor" relationship with a local fucktard.org. make-your-own sponsor, why not.
1853541;1537777075;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-24#1853536 << sounds pretty good.
1853542;1537777075;a111;Logged on 2018-09-24 05:00 trinque: genesis will be the frozen-in-time found item, and from there I'll be looking forward to patches to add ave1 gcc (and later ave1-reproducible-build-gcc), other improvements.
1853543;1537782577;deedbot;http://bimbo.club/?p=26 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 9/17/2018
1853544;1537790426;deedbot;http://ave1.org/2018/building-gnat-on-musl-no-more-usrincludex86_64-linux-gnu/ << ave1 - Building GNAT on MUSL, no more /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu
1853545;1537796266;asciilifeform;ave1: pretty neat. curious, didja grep the whole thing for hardwired paths ?
1853546;1537796294;asciilifeform;ideally in the end there will be none.
1853547;1537796588;asciilifeform;!Q later tell BingoBoingo crate seems to be in customs limbo still
1853548;1537796589;lobbesbot;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1853549;1537797012;diana_coman;hm, a first tiny pilot test of the UDP send/receive looks quite dire (4 in 20 made it, when sent in batches of 4, random lengths); however, I don't know if it's not just overflowing the out buffer to start with (since default value in /proc/sys/net/core/wmem_default is 212992 so real would be half that iirc)
1853550;1537797057;asciilifeform;diana_coman: iirc max packet that linux will actually send, is 65507 byte
1853551;1537797082;diana_coman;asciilifeform, yes, but if one sends a burst of 4 packets , they can overflow that buffer and get dropped, don't they?
1853552;1537797136;asciilifeform;afaik not if you're using blocking send ( and my routine, does )
1853553;1537797166;diana_coman;hm, you mean it's guaranteed that the package is sent and out of the buffer before you can call send again ?
1853554;1537797205;asciilifeform;diana_coman: unless i misread the docs -- yes
1853555;1537797230;asciilifeform;diana_coman: what was your random size range ?
1853556;1537797236;diana_coman;1-65535
1853557;1537797300;asciilifeform;according to the man pg, sento() block unless one were to set MSG_DONTWAIT ( and we didn't )
1853558;1537797346;asciilifeform;diana_coman: the other thing, entirely possible that yours got fragged and never unfragged, this'll be path-dependent ( as discussed in orig thread )
1853559;1537797349;diana_coman;well, technically speaking 6-65535; specifically: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/b2MqA/?raw=true
1853560;1537797392;asciilifeform;( i long suspected that nothing far over 512, will reliably go )
1853561;1537797393;diana_coman;yes, I'm trying to figure out mainly if I can at least make sure that it IS sent out of sender; then it can ofc get dropped anywhere on the route
1853562;1537797440;asciilifeform;diana_coman: tcpdump -i eth0 udp port YOURPORT -vv -X
1853563;1537797478;diana_coman;yes, will do
1853564;1537797562;asciilifeform;diana_coman: do you have a list of the ones that reached the other end ?
1853565;1537797606;asciilifeform;the other simple experiment, re fragging, is to set up the receiver on local host, and then on same-lan box
1853566;1537797664;diana_coman;asciilifeform, yes: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1DmdC/?raw=true (IP edited out; you can easily match them by sizesent+timeSent
1853567;1537797687;diana_coman;basically one of each batch except one batch that was fully lost
1853568;1537797691;asciilifeform;interesting
1853569;1537797706;asciilifeform;see if looks similar when both ends on same box.
1853570;1537797728;diana_coman;anyways, this is just tiny pilot, not yet worth much analysis as such
1853571;1537797761;asciilifeform;diana_coman: it's consistent with what i know of the braindamaged frag reassembly mechanism on most iron
1853572;1537797790;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i.e. there's a tiny reassembly buffer, and if it is occupied while new frags fall in, it drops
1853573;1537797836;asciilifeform;~nobody, afaik, actually queues all udp frags, it is impractical in light of ddosism
1853574;1537797856;diana_coman;that would certainly fit this observed mess, yes
1853575;1537797886;asciilifeform;so far is exactly what i expected to see, aha
1853576;1537797909;asciilifeform;( pleasant surprises are few and far between in the internet-of-shit )
1853577;1537797987;diana_coman;anyway, the above examples show also current logs on both sides - if anyone has feedback on it/wants to see something else logged, talk now
1853578;1537798039;asciilifeform;diana_coman: try the local variant. but i expect even across 1 router hop you will see similar picture.
1853579;1537798065;*;asciilifeform brb,teatime
1853580;1537798703;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> !Q later tell BingoBoingo crate seems to be in customs limbo still << I don't expect the locals did anything at all Saturday/Sunday. No phone calls have been recieved yet. We still have more waiting time before panic time.
1853581;1537798704;lobbesbot;BingoBoingo: Sent 35 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> crate seems to be in customs limbo still
1853582;1537800389;ave1;asciilifeform, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-24#1853545, I had seen the path in the specs (gcc -dumspecs) so I knew I had to look in the gcc/config directory. Next was the i386 dir (used for everything intel > i386) next simple grep for "isystem" (I worried that the path would be constructed from parts and so would never be found).
1853583;1537800389;a111;Logged on 2018-09-24 13:37 asciilifeform: ave1: pretty neat. curious, didja grep the whole thing for hardwired paths ?
1853584;1537800423;asciilifeform;back
1853585;1537800457;asciilifeform;ave1: i was speaking generally, 'are there other hardwired pathisms in there'
1853586;1537800601;asciilifeform;diana_coman: https://archive.is/k6Wxb << udpism likbez ( may or may not contain anyffing new to you, but posting for the l0gz/n00bz )
1853587;1537800693;asciilifeform;the 1 possibly noteworthy bit, is that fragging can take place anywhere in the route, while reassembly -- only at final receiver .
1853588;1537800760;asciilifeform;( can skip straight to section 'IP Fragmentation' )
1853589;1537801039;asciilifeform;the other item of interest, not mentioned, is that quite a few infrastructural routers will simply drop frags, for the reason that all but 1 frag of a fragged packet contain no copy of the source or destination port -- and thereby impossible to ddos-filter. so they drop'em.
1853590;1537801122;asciilifeform;( this braindamaged design decision goes, as one might expect, back to the olden days when homo redditus was not yet on the net and 'arpa' designed for nukefest-related problems, not against 'ddos' )
1853591;1537801370;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/ijjM3 << even moar pedantic detail re fraggism. ( can safely skip the ipv6-related crapola )
1853592;1537801397;asciilifeform;in particular, 'Lost fragments represent a slightly more involved problem than lost packets. The receiver has a packet reassembly timer upon the receipt of the first fragment, and will continue to hold this reassembly state for the reassembly time. The reassembly timer is a factor in the maximal count of packets in flight, as the packet identifier cannot be recycled within the period defined by the sender-received path delay, plus th
1853593;1537801397;asciilifeform;e receiver’s reassembly timer. For higher delay high capacity network paths, this limit of 65,535 packets in flight can be a potential performance bottleneck [RFC 4963].'
1853594;1537801886;asciilifeform;diana_coman: traceroute --mtu destinationip  will show the mtu of the 1st 'fraggable' node in the path
1853595;1537801901;asciilifeform;( i got 1500 , and at own router )
1853596;1537802018;mod6;mornin'
1853597;1537802026;asciilifeform;guten morgen mod6
1853598;1537802041;mod6;o7
1853599;1537802474;mod6;trinque: Thanks for reporting.
1853600;1537802613;asciilifeform;mod6: i was thinking of trinque's idea : suppose trb closed all open pipes if it finds that $configurable hours (e.g. 3) have passed without new blox
1853601;1537802755;asciilifeform;mod6: my main hesitation re the item is that it may be 'plugging wrong end of funnel', quite possibly no such gymnastics would be necessary if we simply had a http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-23#1853143 and always --addnode'd the actually useful nodes, rather than relying on pure chance
1853602;1537802755;a111;Logged on 2018-09-23 20:59 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-23#1853137 << this reminds me of an item i had on chalkboard but never had a chance to actually bake -- a running log of where/when (ip, remote ver, time) noad got each incoming candidate block .
1853603;1537802829;asciilifeform;mod6: right nao, our address-getting mechanism is the ancient turdalicious one inherited from shitoshi -- where the table is blindly filled with whatever connected folx decide to throw in
1853604;1537802881;asciilifeform;this presently consists 90+% of boxen that get immediately (or rather, not quite immediately.. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-23#1853265 ) malleus'd
1853605;1537802881;a111;Logged on 2018-09-23 21:49 asciilifeform: in mostly unrelated lulz, there are apparently noads who shove a couple 100 MB (!) of bastard blox into a connected trb, prior to the latter throwing the ban switch ( because of the idjit shitoshi networking routine, actual disconnect happens a good 10-20sec after ban )
1853606;1537802982;asciilifeform;imho a trb node ought to only advertise addrs that either a) part of the manual --addnode set the node was brought up with , or b) actually supplied a correct block in the recent past
1853607;1537803022;asciilifeform;this will make for something like sane peer propagation, which presently we dun have.
1853608;1537803107;asciilifeform;i suspect that it would lubricate both block rx and tx broadcast.
1853609;1537803312;asciilifeform;arguably 1st step to properly de-sibyl-ing the network.
1853610;1537803618;*;mod6 thinks
1853611;1537803663;asciilifeform;sanely-behaving nodes (both trb and hypothetical trb-compatible heathens, which exist, or we'd see 0 blox) ought to be able to find ~and keep~ each other company
1853612;1537803718;asciilifeform;whatever machine cycles ~remain~ after this, can service randos.
1853613;1537803830;asciilifeform;( nao, ideally all of the sane people would actually know one another and wot, and link their nodes via ciphered pipes, all the way to miner. but i dun expect to live to see this. )
1853614;1537803930;mod6;Yeah, this might be a proper step forward to de-sibyling the thing.  And as long as we can still service randos, even if in second place.
1853615;1537804104;mod6;I'm gonna think on it a bit.
1853616;1537804116;asciilifeform;i'd be interested to see what mircea_popescu makes of this algo. because i can see a possible fatal downside.
1853617;1537804171;asciilifeform;( potentially such network may favour 'old' miner over 'new' )
1853618;1537804193;asciilifeform;or, rather, slightly increases the 'inertia'
1853619;1537804427;asciilifeform;gedankenexperiment : let's suppose that all new blox presently are born in nodes A, B, C. from there, propagate to rest of planet. the immediate peers of A, B, C, will have them parked at the very top of their peer table, right below the manually-added 'meat' peers. now say a D shows up. D may have faster hash rate even than A+B+C, but his blox will still be considered only ~after~ those of A,B,C. at least, for a time.
1853620;1537804483;asciilifeform;thereby any peer ranking algo that favours 'useful' peers, will give A,B,C a substantial advantage over any new D.
1853621;1537804526;asciilifeform;and not merely because A,B,C reliably supply correct blox, but they also will have most reliable tx-eating. so they will get sent all new tx in preference to D.
1853622;1537804539;asciilifeform;this is a potentially dangerous arse-mouth system.
1853623;1537804607;asciilifeform;but on the other hand, the current system makes for pestilential sibylism.
1853624;1537804650;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-24#1853594 -> same here, 1500 at own router
1853625;1537804650;a111;Logged on 2018-09-24 15:11 asciilifeform: diana_coman: traceroute --mtu destinationip  will show the mtu of the 1st 'fraggable' node in the path
1853626;1537804676;asciilifeform;oh hey
1853627;1537804853;Mocky;asciilifeform, is there a way to quantify "for a time"? Because requiring a 'tour of duty' dun necessarily seem like a bad thing. Is showing up with faster hash rate and getting full advantage on day one something to optimize for? (or day N, which is why I wonder how to quantify)
1853628;1537804884;asciilifeform;Mocky: the boojum is that mining in classical btc worx in such a way as to amplify small advantages into gigantic
1853629;1537804908;asciilifeform;Mocky: recall the chains of empty/near-empty blox the chinese sometimes emit
1853630;1537804938;Mocky;ahh, yes I've seen but didn't know who emits
1853631;1537804958;asciilifeform;'who' is a misconceived, somewhat, q, cockroaches dun have faces
1853632;1537804981;asciilifeform;but in general blox come from asiclandia.
1853633;1537805074;Mocky;I presumed as much
1853634;1537805098;asciilifeform;Mocky: the current algo optimizes for nuffin at all. but the puzzler is, if we were to optimize for ~something~, could it create a problem. esp if the algo worx as i predict, and the nodes using it, end up forming an optimally short link to the miners.
1853635;1537805233;asciilifeform;potentially could sharpen an already dire 'ecological' problem.
1853636;1537805243;asciilifeform;!#s miner cartel
1853637;1537805244;a111;34 results for "miner cartel", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=miner%20cartel
1853638;1537805249;asciilifeform;^ see also.
1853639;1537805315;Mocky;seems like no node operator benefits individually from a non-optimal link to miners.
1853640;1537805327;asciilifeform;superficially correct.
1853641;1537805349;asciilifeform;but end result may end up being a net where even moar 'winner take all' than presently.
1853642;1537805354;Mocky;but yes I see the knock on effects are not the same as superficial effects
1853643;1537805646;asciilifeform;the fundamental problem is that the conditions favouring miner cartels are already baked into btc per se.
1853644;1537805712;asciilifeform;and theoretically if the cartel births '9000' new sybils, it will force the use of something like my algo, whether anyone wants to or not, the layer of sibylade would become undrillable in its absence . but this is admittedly a stretch.
1853645;1537805819;asciilifeform;then again we may already be in the midst of just such a thing, there's, what, ~20k distinct nodes operating, and overwhelming majority of these, are simply rubbish
1853646;1537807308;asciilifeform;!#s thermodynamics proposes kinetics disposes
1853647;1537807308;a111;6 results for "thermodynamics proposes kinetics disposes", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=thermodynamics%20proposes%20kinetics%20disposes
1853648;1537807352;asciilifeform;( classical btc 'thermodynamics', predispose to cartel. but 'kinetics' of ~randomsoup (vs 'intelligent' routing) make this less apparent. )
1853649;1537807364;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/09/discontent-in-zambia-over-chinese-investment/ << Qntra - Discontent In Zambia Over Chinese Investment
1853650;1537807444;asciilifeform;'"I am not happy with the dominance of Chinese contractors. In the first place, the money that they get from these contracts is externalised and all that they return here are meagre wages," said Edgar Syakachoma, himself a contractor. "Let the government also give us the contracts so that they benefit Zambians."' << hey, recall mircea_popescu's piece with the argentine anti-bus protesters
1853651;1537807460;asciilifeform;'oh noez, bus could take moneybags to some OTHER street'
1853652;1537807491;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-19#1851949 << see also.
1853653;1537807491;a111;Logged on 2018-09-19 18:17 mircea_popescu: what i meant by "mercantilism" is that they do not want the locals to leak dollars back into the ubers of the world.
1853654;1537807698;BingoBoingo;Which, well... by all apearances Uruguay leaks a substantial amount into Uber. Recently "Uber Eats" bicicletas have appeared in numbers that almost rival the Pedidos Ya bicicletas and motorcycles.
1853655;1537807775;BingoBoingo;A third delivery service Rappi (Argentine like Pedidos Ya) arrived aroudn the time Uber Eats did and seems to be holding last place in that niche
1853656;1537807800;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: as i understand, orcistani rulers are perfectly free to stop out-inflating the usd, and then can quit worrying re 'leaking hard currency' any time they want
1853657;1537807823;asciilifeform;( i dun think, e.g., lichtenstein, worries re 'leaking dollars' )
1853658;1537807966;BingoBoingo;I try explaining this to the locals when they reminisce about the 2005-2015 good old days
1853659;1537808098;BingoBoingo;"BCU targeting a 7% inflation rate just might be why you are all being frog boiled into increasingly deeper poverty"
1853660;1537808136;BingoBoingo;But hey, everything is great and peachy for them because Starbucks is getting joined by H&M on October 6th
1853661;1537808142;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i've found that it is normally impossible to explain any such thing to folx who operate in 'pig logic', i.e. 'would there be moar? or less?, slop in my trough?'
1853662;1537808224;asciilifeform;cuz the answer is nearly always 'not only less slop, but butcher shop' and conversation stops there.
1853663;1537808333;asciilifeform;as i understand, this is how mircea_popescu ended up setting bozo bit on argentines. 100% pig-os.
1853664;1537808360;BingoBoingo;Well, the Argentines also didn't acknowledge their poverty
1853665;1537808368;asciilifeform;'samba si, trabajo no'
1853666;1537808393;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: eh they 'acknowledge', in the sense of 'obummer did it'
1853667;1537808423;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-24#1853622 << perhaps.
1853668;1537808423;a111;Logged on 2018-09-24 15:55 asciilifeform: this is a potentially dangerous arse-mouth system.
1853669;1537808448;BingoBoingo;Oh, they'll flat out say Uruguay is a poor country
1853670;1537808479;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i've yet to meet the orc who did not say 'mine is a poor country.' after all, so far from miami.
1853671;1537808498;asciilifeform;that mecca, from which in orc cosmography all wealth somehow flows.
1853672;1537808543;asciilifeform;relatedly, phunphakt, all of asciilifeform's packets to/from BingoBoingostan, relay through 4.68.72.61 : nsa station in miami.
1853673;1537808606;BingoBoingo;Uruguay has a petite Miami light about 90 km east of Montevideo every summer. The police there even catch the street sleepers for redistribution to other parts of the country.
1853674;1537808733;BingoBoingo;There's even advertisements on the streets for events at "World Trade Center - Punta del Este"
1853675;1537808754;asciilifeform;lol!
1853676;1537808757;asciilifeform;what sorta 'events' ?
1853677;1537808833;BingoBoingo;International marketing, networking, and the usual bread and butter. There's an advertisement station in front of the closed zoo that they seem to favor.
1853678;1537808887;asciilifeform;mighty lotta cheek, for folx who torment a 300 $ crate in tariff hell, to prattle about 'international marketing'
1853679;1537808902;BingoBoingo;They also have ads in the other Uruguay WTC tower lobbies advertise "Work in the best place to live"
1853680;1537808935;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> mighty lotta cheek, for folx who torment a 300 $ crate in tariff hell, to prattle about 'international marketing' << They don't want buying. See they only want to do the SELLING part.
1853681;1537808957;asciilifeform;selling what, exactly. ( daughters ? )
1853682;1537809015;BingoBoingo;Beef, breeding cattle, soybeans, hotel nights for Punta del Este´s visually impressive jellyfish beach
1853683;1537809031;BingoBoingo;And yes daughters
1853684;1537809186;asciilifeform;even per this 'logic', seems like there's a loose end -- so, ok, they sell, SELL, only. bags of benjies -- go in. ~then~ wat.
1853685;1537809296;BingoBoingo;Frente Amplio burns the benjies while inflating the peso and everyone frog boils into poverty.
1853686;1537809328;asciilifeform;i guess disney had one possible answer re the 'wat', http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lja7aorWsU1qze0z6o1_1280.jpg
1853687;1537809527;asciilifeform;benjies only work because they eventually return to 'miami', sorta like yer mains socket only worx because current able to go in the neutral pin
1853688;1537810229;BingoBoingo;Related: https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/en-octubre-comienzan-a-ensenar-chino-en-liceos--2018921194747
1853689;1537814570;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-24#1853526 << illustrating the problem here : if man has a moron daugther but does not say "oh, i have a moron daugther", he is in obvious danger of "and she made me a moron too".
1853690;1537814570;a111;Logged on 2018-09-24 04:54 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-24#1853486 << twist : turns out linus has 'intersectional-feminist'(tm) daughter, who helped to break him
1853691;1537814605;asciilifeform;ohai mircea_popescu
1853692;1537814615;mircea_popescu;hola!
1853693;1537814645;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: fwiw i had nfi linus even had daughter. then apparently find, he does, and she's 'pavlik morozov'
1853694;1537814653;asciilifeform;!#s morozov
1853695;1537814653;a111;12 results for "morozov", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=morozov
1853696;1537814664;mircea_popescu;which is what i mean. "oh, my fambly business is my own" "sure, it is. until it suddenly isn't."
1853697;1537814686;mircea_popescu;this'd be the counterpoint to "omfg, mp will publish anything". sure, he will. "it's exaggerate!". sure, it is.
1853698;1537814732;mircea_popescu;if you don't control your women, you're stuck making public laughingstocks of them. there's no "third way".
1853699;1537814747;mircea_popescu;and the punishment for "what if i don't" is... "they will".
1853700;1537814749;asciilifeform;( for folx who aint sov-entomologists : pavlik morozov was a kid who turned in own father to dekulakizers. for this, grandfather beheaded him with axe. and kid was made into an Official 'hero' )
1853701;1537814772;mircea_popescu;can't help but like the soviet peons more than the usgistani zeks.
1853702;1537815027;asciilifeform;as for the 'code of conduct' liquishit, apparently thing is written by some purpose-built pantsuit org in berlin, and standardized, and right after l. signing the instrument of surrender, the purges kicked off
1853703;1537815117;mircea_popescu;what "purges" ? who the fuck would stay on with shitux.
1853704;1537815177;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: as i understand, most of what thing consisted of, was massive gaggle of iron maker sponsored driver-makin' folx
1853705;1537815194;mircea_popescu;"driver"
1853706;1537815207;asciilifeform;most of'em prolly not even smelled the smoke yet
1853707;1537815213;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: e.g. the chinese rk people
1853708;1537815256;mircea_popescu;hey, linux ~already useless for any practical purpose. you know i have a trashed hp envy sitting here because trhere's no way to run the wireless on it ?
1853709;1537815263;mircea_popescu;"aethershit".
1853710;1537815274;mircea_popescu;wtf, wired laptop, what sense does that make.
1853711;1537815310;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there's some % who actually endrivered various new iron. e.g. dulap kernel built for arm64 won't actually boot on rk, needs the little bit of chinesium ( i have it laid out, fwiw , mostly, specifically for when we pour cement )
1853712;1537815344;mircea_popescu;but the point remains -- they're still ~useless (or amstan-useful, if you prefer). literally better of without 'em.
1853713;1537815364;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the sad-802.11 thing is endemic ( recall asciilifeform's recipe of how to terraform ibm x60 . step 1 is to pull out the wireless nic and stuff in ye olde atheros )
1853714;1537815390;mircea_popescu;eh im not fucking doing soldering jobs for a fucking laptop.
1853715;1537815399;asciilifeform;0 soldering, thing had a lid
1853716;1537815403;mircea_popescu;a pity, too, it's light and nice monitor.
1853717;1537815406;asciilifeform;this was in the not-soldered dayz
1853718;1537815411;mircea_popescu;ah
1853719;1537815414;mircea_popescu;yes well.
1853720;1537815421;asciilifeform;it's a pre-obummer box.
1853721;1537815430;trinque;yeh most of these are separate mpcie card, though the point remains
1853722;1537815448;trinque;can in theory replace with a known workable card
1853723;1537815449;asciilifeform;trinque: on various newer irons, soldered (e.g. almost all 'chromebook')
1853724;1537815454;mircea_popescu;ah, and i bought a dongle for it ? the linux driver "requires" gcc 4.9
1853725;1537815461;trinque;asciilifeform: oh, sad indeed
1853726;1537815471;mircea_popescu;i'm NOT debugging make error soup, either.
1853727;1537815768;mircea_popescu;(not to even mention they ship a fucking cd with the dongle, the fucktards, on which there's autorun and windows bs. the linux stuff -- get from our website. ON A CONNECTIVITY DEVICE. then they wanna talk about "code of conduct" ? HOW THE FUCK ABOUT NOT.)
1853728;1537815817;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i dun think i ever got even as far as this, with a radio nic made post-'08; yer ahead of me
1853729;1537815849;mircea_popescu;im trashing the whole worksheet, unless you want something from it.
1853730;1537815865;mircea_popescu;wasted a slave half-day chasing the nonsense blergh.
1853731;1537815871;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what nic was this even
1853732;1537815880;mircea_popescu;aite, ima fetch teh details.
1853733;1537815909;asciilifeform;( at least even if only to put in 'this -- pig shit' file )
1853734;1537815988;mircea_popescu;model TL-WN823N(EU) v3.0
1853735;1537816152;asciilifeform;oh almost forgot, another phunphakt, in orig torvalds surrender papers, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-17#1850713 : winblowz uniturd quotes .
1853736;1537816152;a111;Logged on 2018-09-17 08:05 ave1: In other news, some lulzy drama underway in the Linux kernel camp; https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CA+55aFy+Hv9O5citAawS+mVZO+ywCKd9NQ2wxUmGsz9ZJzqgJQ@mail.gmail.com/
1853737;1537816203;asciilifeform;e.g. 0xE2 0x80 0x9C
1853738;1537816320;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: notoriously broken nic
1853739;1537816358;asciilifeform;it dun even switch on w/out a large fw turd, which i'm guessing mircea_popescu did not have
1853740;1537816369;asciilifeform;pretty much as sad as intel's
1853741;1537816444;mircea_popescu;got any recommendations ?
1853742;1537816449;asciilifeform;atheros
1853743;1537816487;asciilifeform;realtek also worx, though not nearly as reliably
1853744;1537816538;asciilifeform;e.g. RTL8187L, can be had in usb-boxes like alfa's AWUS036H ( ~20bux in ameristan )
1853745;1537816558;mircea_popescu;cool.
1853746;1537816694;mircea_popescu;lmao windows quotes, that's classy.
1853747;1537816700;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/m4SR9 << ameristani vendor, but prolly gettable in bananistan, as 'ships from china!' anyway
1853748;1537816878;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-24#1853710 << can laugh if you like, but asciilifeform uses room fulla lappies, and most of'em never leave the copper lan
1853749;1537816878;a111;Logged on 2018-09-24 18:54 mircea_popescu: wtf, wired laptop, what sense does that make.
1853750;1537816902;mircea_popescu;yeah well... i would never. why not get a desktop, cheaper parts, better heat.
1853751;1537816968;asciilifeform;space, and heat.
1853752;1537816983;asciilifeform;( i dun imagine either is problem in castle mircea_popescustein )
1853753;1537817004;mircea_popescu;apparently not.
1853754;1537817035;asciilifeform;asciilifeform's dwelling makes nazi uboat look spacious like stadium
1853755;1537817190;mircea_popescu;oh, is this part and parcel of all the "luxuries keep me bolted down in usgistan that i could never have anywhere else" line ?
1853756;1537817192;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-24#1853724 << incidentally ave1's cemented gnat is a 4.9
1853757;1537817192;a111;Logged on 2018-09-24 18:57 mircea_popescu: ah, and i bought a dongle for it ? the linux driver "requires" gcc 4.9
1853758;1537817203;mircea_popescu;like, hard vacuum to pump you quite as neatly in sardine can not available anywhere else ?
1853759;1537817245;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's the other end of that stick, the unspeakable salt mine crud that keeps asciilifeform's lights on
1853760;1537817252;mircea_popescu;yes well, mine's a 4.4.3 ; perhaps one day it'll be ave1 's, but that day is not today and so tough luck to the shitcard.
1853761;1537817265;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i can't fathom why kernelism would want a 4.9 specifically
1853762;1537817272;asciilifeform;( or, rather, can... but who wants )
1853763;1537817277;mircea_popescu;me either, but as i said, makepile errors out and im not debugging this
1853764;1537817282;asciilifeform;dun bother
1853765;1537817296;asciilifeform;there's ~0 to be gained from nursing sad iron, life is too short
1853766;1537817320;mircea_popescu;i sometimes do it as learnpunishment for girls. but ample iron to punish with viz few girls need punished.
1853767;1537817347;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: whoknows, one day you find out that one of'em ported it
1853768;1537817375;asciilifeform;( like that legend with prof who left unsolved problem as 'homework' on board, came back to find it solved )
1853769;1537817395;mircea_popescu;heh
1853770;1537818079;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-24#1853549 << ouch. they made networking great again meanwhile also ?!
1853771;1537818079;a111;Logged on 2018-09-24 13:50 diana_coman: hm, a first tiny pilot test of the UDP send/receive looks quite dire (4 in 20 made it, when sent in batches of 4, random lengths); however, I don't know if it's not just overflowing the out buffer to start with (since default value in /proc/sys/net/core/wmem_default is 212992 so real would be half that iirc)
1853772;1537818129;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-24#1853560 << ah, this is what it was huh
1853773;1537818129;a111;Logged on 2018-09-24 13:56 asciilifeform: ( i long suspected that nothing far over 512, will reliably go )
1853774;1537818225;mircea_popescu;diana_coman it occurs to me the work might also be misspecced. anyone have serious objections to moving to 1-2048 down from 1-65536 ?
1853775;1537818305;mircea_popescu;i really didn't think it through, wtf is this 28355, 52181, 2600, 7269, 16286, 47627, 36352, 53247, 24192, 63568 bullshit, no one with any sort of networking experience would expect this to go.
1853776;1537818319;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lol i did say. back in the gossipd thread.
1853777;1537818329;asciilifeform;fragging is massive loss.
1853778;1537818342;mircea_popescu;yeah. unless anyone throws in a good reason we're dropping the far range, this is nonsense.
1853779;1537818354;asciilifeform;i did have a tiny shred of 'hm maybe modern gear reassembles', but it was just that, a lark
1853780;1537818477;asciilifeform;the real q is , just how far above 512, and below 1500, can go
1853781;1537818492;mircea_popescu;just about. 2048 amply distant outer bound.
1853782;1537818524;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: out of curiosity, wouldja be willing to  traceroute --mtu 161.0.121.200   and say what mtu you got
1853783;1537818540;asciilifeform;(e.g. mine :   F=1500 )
1853784;1537818566;mircea_popescu;asec
1853785;1537818569;asciilifeform;that there -- is the bottleneck
1853786;1537818584;asciilifeform;i.e. where they start getting fragalicious
1853787;1537818604;mircea_popescu;F=1500 here too.
1853788;1537818609;asciilifeform;a ty mircea_popescu
1853789;1537818624;asciilifeform;( anybody else get different number ?? mod6 ? trinque ? et al )
1853790;1537818655;asciilifeform;this # btw includes packet headers. ergo max payload , will be slightly smaller
1853791;1537818739;asciilifeform;note that fragging takes place exactly 1ce, as only final destination ever unfrags. and in my case it happens right where my iron meets isp's fibertron.
1853792;1537819157;trinque;asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/jrs5Q/?raw=true << got this, dun see a "F="
1853793;1537819193;asciilifeform;trinque: i just noticed this, on dulap also, apparently some recent year's shitgnomism in gentoo mutilated traceroute
1853794;1537819230;asciilifeform;trinque: fwiw i was able to measure mtu ~from~ dulap, using   USE="tracepath" emerge iptools  and tracepath -4 asciilifeformshouse
1853795;1537819248;asciilifeform;( result : 1500 )
1853796;1537819342;asciilifeform;loox like even this basic util, will have to go in cuntoo from asciilifeform's ( or trinque's ) vintage tarballs museum, rather than from 'current'
1853797;1537819363;asciilifeform;( what did shitgnome have against mtu measurer , gotta wonder )
1853798;1537819385;mircea_popescu;trinque my servers do the ~same
1853799;1537819398;asciilifeform;i suspect -- similarly afflicted
1853800;1537819421;mircea_popescu;2.0.13 vs 2.0.14 problem
1853801;1537819449;mircea_popescu;ie 2009 vs 2010
1853802;1537819458;asciilifeform;in my set : 'version 2.0.19, Jun 28 2013' << happy  ;  'version 2.0.20, Sep 24 2018' << saad
1853803;1537819480;mircea_popescu;maybe it's only even versions work
1853804;1537819490;asciilifeform;same , supposedly, author, one  Dmitry Butskoy
1853805;1537819493;mircea_popescu;odd*
1853806;1537819515;asciilifeform;if somebody can be arsed to find who/what/when/why, could be interesting
1853807;1537819519;asciilifeform;but prolly not worth the cycles
1853808;1537819603;asciilifeform;at any rate, 1500 appears to be the ceiling.
1853809;1537819636;*;mircea_popescu always used tracepath, nfi.
1853810;1537819667;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if yer using a linux that 'came with things', it's likely to have both
1853811;1537819674;mircea_popescu;and it says pmtu 1500 on a half dozen servers i looked, si
1853812;1537819686;asciilifeform;aha not surprise
1853813;1537819693;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform actually traceroute i had to install.
1853814;1537819697;asciilifeform;ha
1853815;1537819765;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> F=1500 here too. << Here as well
1853816;1537819768;mircea_popescu;(i really like tracepath much better tbh.)
1853817;1537820019;asciilifeform;metoo
1853818;1537820065;asciilifeform;fwiw ethernet mtu is 1500
1853819;1537820070;asciilifeform;so not mega-surprise
1853820;1537820078;asciilifeform;anyffing above, guaranteed frag
1853821;1537820089;asciilifeform;what i'm curious about, is how far below also frag.
1853822;1537820161;mircea_popescu;is the take home from here that 1500, rather than 2048, should be the outer bound ?
1853823;1537820162;asciilifeform;( ~inside~ some lands you can get 'jumbogram', up to coupla kB, but this is not really interesting from our pov imho )
1853824;1537820184;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha yer likely to get same result with 2048 as with 20000
1853825;1537820201;mircea_popescu;yeah. good point.
1853826;1537820207;mircea_popescu;but the ideais, ARE we interested in a sliver of data re that ?
1853827;1537820232;asciilifeform;well yes : conceivably 'frags in 2' worx ~100% of time, but 'in 8' not etc
1853828;1537820256;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1853829;1537820265;mircea_popescu;well, this has been a productive discussion, hasn't it.
1853830;1537820278;asciilifeform;( i predict that any frag at all will give loss that cancels out the win from using heavy packets. but nobody should take my word for it, test, test )
1853831;1537820401;asciilifeform;btw , esp for diana_coman , e.g. 1000 byte payload will be a 1028 byte total mass. (header)
1853832;1537820417;asciilifeform;iirc.
1853833;1537820449;asciilifeform;ergo payload of 1472 corresponds to mass of 1500.
1853834;1537820454;mircea_popescu;aha.
1853835;1537820504;asciilifeform;nao, according to the talmud, max guara-nonfrag udp is 508. but this , this oughta be seen.
1853836;1537820513;asciilifeform;( 508 payload, that is )
1853837;1537820557;asciilifeform;given as i do not know a reason why it oughta be as low as 508 when going from ip stack mtu would be 1472.
1853838;1537820604;mircea_popescu;i expect we'll have a nice pile of data this week.
1853839;1537820610;asciilifeform;conceivably , on some really sad gsm modem somewhere, or the like, it will be 508.
1853840;1537820670;asciilifeform;yea as i understand diana_coman already has the knobs, can turn'em when she wakes up
1853841;1537820733;mircea_popescu;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1DmdC/?raw=true << fucking inconceivable 20kb udp made it through.
1853842;1537820746;asciilifeform;1 per burst ( see thrd )
1853843;1537820750;mircea_popescu;aha. im seeing.
1853844;1537821545;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-26#1386298 << speaking of which : 124 gram duckling recognizes the cork of a bottle of guatemalan rum with a hair tie around it as DOOM ON FUCKING WHEELS.
1853845;1537821545;a111;Logged on 2016-01-26 17:20 ascii_butugychag: (there was a spiffy talk at shmoo, which mentioned how nn used in image recognition usually imprints on what - to a human - would be an entirely accidental cluster of pixels, and if you flip'em, it will recognize an obvious, e.g,. cat, as a refrigerator, etc)
1853846;1537821560;mircea_popescu;nearly fell over itself sideways trying to GET THE FUCK OUT OMFG OMFG
1853847;1537821570;mircea_popescu;who knows what ancestral terror snake it thinks it is. because pixels, right ?
1853848;1537821649;BingoBoingo;Imma suspect some sort of turtle
1853849;1537821800;mircea_popescu;turtles eat ducks ?!
1853850;1537821919;BingoBoingo;All the time. Snapping turtles love ducklings
1853851;1537821969;BingoBoingo;It's like those nature documentary nile river crossing scenes with the crocs in miniature
1853852;1537821994;mircea_popescu;really ?!
1853853;1537821994;mircea_popescu;interesting.
1853854;1537822370;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-24#1853590 << quite. what a nuke the "empowerment"'s turned out to be.
1853855;1537822370;a111;Logged on 2018-09-24 14:58 asciilifeform: ( this braindamaged design decision goes, as one might expect, back to the olden days when homo redditus was not yet on the net and 'arpa' designed for nukefest-related problems, not against 'ddos' )
1853856;1537822403;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha.. the amazing thing isn't that 'x,y,z are broken' but that any part still worx..
1853857;1537822435;asciilifeform;( and i indeed suspect that no pentagon ww3 planner planned for anyffing like the current level of breakage, at that )
1853858;1537822492;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-24#1853601 << this seems so to me. how about we wot the trb, rather than iptables it.
1853859;1537822492;a111;Logged on 2018-09-24 15:25 asciilifeform: mod6: my main hesitation re the item is that it may be 'plugging wrong end of funnel', quite possibly no such gymnastics would be necessary if we simply had a http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-23#1853143 and always --addnode'd the actually useful nodes, rather than relying on pure chance
1853860;1537822506;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: see thread...
1853861;1537822525;mircea_popescu;iirc we had a spec discussion re how to populate nodes.
1853862;1537822580;mircea_popescu;but yes, this is the other half -- need to bake trb nodes that won't get insta-banned by wot-trb on sight because they spew garbage
1853863;1537822582;asciilifeform;( $thread was specifically re puzzler of how -- and if -- to sort nodes ~not~ known to be operated by wot'd humans. rather than ' asciilifeform's wires ' and related experiment )
1853864;1537822614;mircea_popescu;no, recall, was an economic solution, "if node doesn't pay its way it's kicked"
1853865;1537822635;asciilifeform;right, this'd be immediately practical if the net consisted of wot'd folx an' their boxen
1853866;1537822663;mircea_popescu;the idea there was to drive compliance.
1853867;1537822674;mircea_popescu;but in order for it to work -- yes very much need nodes that don't misbehave.
1853868;1537822674;asciilifeform;( but as it is, we also have a wild animal, in the mix,  called miner, and its immediate ecosystem )
1853869;1537822677;asciilifeform;aha
1853870;1537822690;mircea_popescu;let me try an' fish it out
1853871;1537822789;asciilifeform;iirc was one of the moar recent 'trb-i' mircea_popescu threads
1853872;1537822884;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Amircea+trb-i << interesting list, at that.
1853873;1537823180;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-27#1619483 << one item, somewhat related, not the item sought though. (this is to tightnen miner-node paths)
1853874;1537823180;a111;Logged on 2017-02-27 22:07 mircea_popescu: now, the historical solutionb to the problem, as well as perhaps a workable solution here, is the intrinsic oracle. if user relays txn to a node WHO MAKES A PROMISE (such as for instance "the txn will be included before block n" ?) then the nodes can be scored by their oracle value ("what he said turned out true!) and suddenly you have a more meaningful node market.
1853875;1537823356;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-01#1220066 / http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-01#1220067 << possiblty this entire thread was exactly it.
1853876;1537823356;a111;Logged on 2015-08-01 00:30 mircea_popescu: (original design was to simply shutter all connecting peers that fail to provide good $$$ txn, in some sort of %)
1853877;1537823356;a111;Logged on 2015-08-01 00:30 asciilifeform: thing is, this'll result in a very random selection at present
1853878;1537823639;mircea_popescu;infuriatingly enough, i can't find it now. but the discussion was exactly along the same lines, "add user-configurable penalty for communicating shitblocks (any block that isn't the one you were looking for) and any other misbehaviour ; and used-configurable bonus for communicating useful things ; then user-configurable knob for lowest-tolerable-score and ban peers who fall under"
1853879;1537823692;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-01-31#999477 << early version of the idea.
1853880;1537823692;a111;Logged on 2015-01-31 03:13 mircea_popescu: something simple like, "whenever a parentless block is handed over the retaining of which would cause memory pool for holding parentless blocks to be overrun, a) drop the handed block ; b) close the connection and ban that peer for half hour ; c) discard all chains of parentless blocks longer than six items ; d) connect again"
1853881;1537823755;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-03#1595770 << alluded to in the more specified TRB.B/TRB.N prototype design.
1853882;1537823755;a111;Logged on 2017-01-03 20:33 mircea_popescu: otherwise it is discarded. B.T may be pruned (according to arbitrary address list, for instance). Rate limiting in TRB.N may be constructed to observe N.B items that fail to propagate to B.B and ban the originating peers.
1853883;1537823834;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-05-31#1148935 << FUUCK, found! this is what i was looking for, http://btcbase.org/log/2015-05-31#1148937 http://btcbase.org/log/2015-05-31#1148938
1853884;1537823834;a111;Logged on 2015-05-31 12:11 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1148837 << i would like to see a patch which maintains VALUED list of other nodes.
1853885;1537823834;a111;Logged on 2015-05-31 12:11 mircea_popescu: with a time decay, with a penalty for sending bad blocks and a positive for sending good blocks at a good speed.
1853886;1537823834;a111;Logged on 2015-05-31 12:12 mircea_popescu: say something like : every bad block received, -10 points. every minute where connection is kept at 80% of its allocated bw or over, 1 point. every hour score decays 1% towards 0, be it either positive or negative.
1853887;1537824675;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-24#1853635 << the universal problem with "progress" in a functional world -- it manages to turn to shit.
1853888;1537824675;a111;Logged on 2018-09-24 16:07 asciilifeform: potentially could sharpen an already dire 'ecological' problem.
1853889;1537824783;deedbot;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2578 << Loper OS - Linux. (1991  2018)
1853890;1537824791;asciilifeform;speeaaking of which.
1853891;1537824826;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-24#1853649 << entirely usg's desperation. they're losing preminence/getting locked out of markets at a shocking rate for a "world power" not defeated in war.
1853892;1537824826;a111;Logged on 2018-09-24 16:42 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/09/discontent-in-zambia-over-chinese-investment/ << Qntra - Discontent In Zambia Over Chinese Investment
1853893;1537824906;mircea_popescu;but hey, "opted" to not have wot presence, just desserts.
1853894;1537825035;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i take it you dun suppose the miners thing , upthread, will be serious boojum ? ( or should i wait for mircea_popescu to eat log )
1853895;1537825041;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-24#1853669 << huge difference,  >> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-18#1753439 ; http://trilema.com/2015/latino-perspectives/#selection-137.0-137.45 etc
1853896;1537825041;a111;Logged on 2018-09-24 17:00 BingoBoingo: Oh, they'll flat out say Uruguay is a poor country
1853897;1537825041;a111;Logged on 2017-12-18 16:07 BingoBoingo: Argentina's slogan is the lie "Argentina no es un pais pobre", Montevideo's is the truth "Montevideo es muy tranquilo"
1853898;1537825074;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i suppose it is a serious bojum that is in no way resolved by smearing shit over eyes.
1853899;1537825100;asciilifeform;rright, i observed that the situation could be forced into being very inexpensively, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-24#1853644
1853900;1537825100;a111;Logged on 2018-09-24 16:15 asciilifeform: and theoretically if the cartel births '9000' new sybils, it will force the use of something like my algo, whether anyone wants to or not, the layer of sibylade would become undrillable in its absence . but this is admittedly a stretch.
1853901;1537825149;asciilifeform;i.e. may as well gather the win to be had from firing the first rockets.
1853902;1537825245;mircea_popescu;it's just....
1853903;1537825270;mircea_popescu;it's just not how it works, "nobody could have seen through shitsoup!!!". really ?
1853904;1537825308;asciilifeform;whether shitoshi could or not see past own bellybutton, can be debated 4evah
1853905;1537825342;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-24#1853672 << doh.
1853906;1537825342;a111;Logged on 2018-09-24 17:02 asciilifeform: relatedly, phunphakt, all of asciilifeform's packets to/from BingoBoingostan, relay through 4.68.72.61 : nsa station in miami.
1853907;1537825406;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-24#1853677 << = >> http://trilema.com/2012/all-politics-is-local-politics/
1853908;1537825406;a111;Logged on 2018-09-24 17:07 BingoBoingo: International marketing, networking, and the usual bread and butter. There's an advertisement station in front of the closed zoo that they seem to favor.
1853909;1537825439;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-24#1853678 << it's just the cunt signal, "what to do instead of whoring if you're a hottie teenager"
1853910;1537825439;a111;Logged on 2018-09-24 17:08 asciilifeform: mighty lotta cheek, for folx who torment a 300 $ crate in tariff hell, to prattle about 'international marketing'
1853911;1537825520;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-24#1853684 << just because mercantilism got killed in the 1600s dun mean the sort of brains that naturally spawn mercantilism as a state-of-the-art mentality stopped being poopped.
1853912;1537825520;a111;Logged on 2018-09-24 17:13 asciilifeform: even per this 'logic', seems like there's a loose end -- so, ok, they sell, SELL, only. bags of benjies -- go in. ~then~ wat.
1853913;1537825534;mircea_popescu;much like just because we have penicillin dun mean tb gave up and left the planet.
1853914;1537825734;asciilifeform;aaha.. thinking folx, sometimes give up; vermin -- never
1853915;1537825758;asciilifeform;'stupidity has infinite health' or how did mircea_popescu's old piece formulate it.
1853916;1537829733;deedbot;http://bimbo.club/?p=27 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 9/18/2018
1853917;1537829957;asciilifeform;trinque, mircea_popescu , et al : asciilifeform, in light of http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2578 etc , has been thinking of genesising the kernel. prolly not tonight or tomorrow, but in near fyootoor. if anyone has particular desires ( & optionally, justification ) for particular ver becoming The Last and cemented, would like to hear about it.
1853918;1537829996;asciilifeform;likewise it is time for folx to go over their iron and nominate driverolade that they believe ought to live.
1853919;1537830010;asciilifeform;or at least, to start.
1853920;1537830325;asciilifeform;( see also '...Я тебя не трону, а в душе зарою / И прикажу залить цементом, чтобы не разрыть.'(tm)(r)( vysotsky, https://archive.is/LXXw8 ) )
1853921;1537830467;asciilifeform;( oblig shitty engl. trans, http://samlib.ru/a/as_w/vys-chr-ru-e.shtml )
1853922;1537831499;trinque;the kernel in current cuntoo is 4.9.95, by virtue solely of being when I took the snapshot
1853923;1537831582;asciilifeform;4.9.76 on dulap, and slightly earlier iirc in rk branch ( will have to maintain at least these 2 forks , i suspect )
1853924;1537831635;asciilifeform;i currently dun have a strong opinion re which 4.x is cementable
1853925;1537831674;asciilifeform;i wouldn't even object to cementing a 3.x, supposing i had a working one for rk
1853926;1537831693;asciilifeform;( i have a buncha pc boxen running 3.x and entirely satisfied with'em )
1853927;1537831737;asciilifeform;but would like to hear from the l1 folx re subj before mixing the cement.
1853928;1537831764;trinque;asciilifeform: what's the word on this "speculative execution" thing? dun matter?
1853929;1537831777;asciilifeform;trinque: imho dun matter worth a sparrow's fart
1853930;1537831783;asciilifeform;i.e. isolation on x86 is illusory
1853931;1537831807;trinque;aite, then that'd be the only thing coming to mind to prevent pulling an older vintage
1853932;1537831813;asciilifeform;any attempt to repair it simply creates a nsa.nobus imho
1853933;1537831826;trinque;certainly miles more attack surface
1853934;1537831827;asciilifeform;( + a reallly slow box.. )
1853935;1537831855;asciilifeform;i'll consider backports of patches that fix e.g. 'magic packet of death', but not 'spectre' etc rubbish
1853936;1537831880;asciilifeform;both now and in fyootoor
1853937;1537832700;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform 2.6.something ? or which are you thinking ?
1853938;1537832787;asciilifeform;3.x ~= 2.6
1853939;1537832858;mircea_popescu;so what, like diseased newt ?
1853940;1537832872;asciilifeform;hm?
1853941;1537832952;mircea_popescu;just trying to tease out which version.
1853942;1537833173;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not being a debianist, i cannot immediately say which edition of it this'd correspond to
1853943;1537833189;mircea_popescu;i mean which kernel version.
1853944;1537833209;trinque;buzzing beedog
1853945;1537833210;mircea_popescu;"diseased newt" = 3.18-rc3
1853946;1537833213;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the oldest i have on currently serving box anywhere is 3.8.8
1853947;1537833221;mircea_popescu;trinque i fucking grepped
1853948;1537833226;trinque;lol
1853949;1537833242;mircea_popescu;before noticing beedog!
1853950;1537833242;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i use 2.6 ~everywhere.
1853951;1537833322;asciilifeform;neato
1853952;1537833323;mircea_popescu;trilema eg served from 2.5.32
1853953;1537833328;mircea_popescu;2.6.32*
1853954;1537833358;asciilifeform;i suppose if you dun need post-'04 irons, worx great
1853955;1537833366;mircea_popescu;i see eulora server was built in 4.14.7
1853956;1537833575;mircea_popescu;ftr, cpu is 2006.
1853957;1537833628;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 1st ed opteron ??
1853958;1537833641;mircea_popescu;yeh
1853959;1537833645;asciilifeform;neato
1853960;1537833658;mircea_popescu;perfectly adequate for prod, by my lights.
1853961;1537833671;mircea_popescu;in any case, served a lot of trilema over the years.
1853962;1537833862;asciilifeform;sometimes -- 486 suffices...
1853963;1537833903;BingoBoingo;And sometimes Z80
1853964;1537833903;mircea_popescu;im altogether uncertain what one gains by replacing ~2005 iron with 2010-2020 iron, but anyway.
1853965;1537833916;asciilifeform;ssd raid5.
1853966;1537833938;asciilifeform;and gb nic. that's pretty much it.
1853967;1537834013;mircea_popescu;pretty sure gb nic works on ye olde opterons just as fine. raids are iffy, depend on all sorta bs ; but definitely exist such thing as proper raid controller in 2005.
1853968;1537834023;mircea_popescu;why ssd specifically ? raid is raid, can raid tape if you want.
1853969;1537834032;asciilifeform;pcie bus bottleneck
1853970;1537834088;mircea_popescu;incidentally, have you measured any of those gb nics you run, how often they actually gb ?
1853971;1537834100;asciilifeform;i suppose oughta add, afaik nobody made in '06 box where i can 256GB ram
1853972;1537834113;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: yes measured, mine do
1853973;1537834137;mircea_popescu;i dunno doing what ; even something like the ssh census worked fine on 100mb interface.
1853974;1537834208;mircea_popescu;certainly wholesale fetlife rape is still <1mbps.
1853975;1537834233;mircea_popescu;but i suppose if you're running a camwhore site or something.
1853976;1537834886;mircea_popescu;!!up verisimilitude
1853977;1537834886;deedbot;verisimilitude voiced for 30 minutes.
1853978;1537834908;verisimilitude;I appreciate it, mircea_popescu.
1853979;1537834925;*;mircea_popescu upped for liking the name. who might you be, then ?
1853980;1537834973;verisimilitude;I suppose it would be easy to introduce myself by linking to my website.
1853981;1537834977;verisimilitude;http://verisimilitudes.net/
1853982;1537835008;verisimilitude;I'll explain my big project as of now.
1853983;1537835034;verisimilitude;For the past several years I'd had the idea of a machine code development tool in my mind and for over a year now I've been working to breathe life into it.
1853984;1537835067;verisimilitude;I call this Meta-Machine Code (MMC) and the article detailing it in general is here:
1853985;1537835068;verisimilitude;http://verisimilitudes.net/2017-07-07
1853986;1537835086;verisimilitude;I stopped by to perhaps get your opinions or to see what you all are working on lately.
1853987;1537835272;mircea_popescu;http://verisimilitudes.net/2018-08-28.read << you wrote this ?
1853988;1537835304;verisimilitude;Yes.
1853989;1537835311;verisimilitude;I didn't write the game, but I did write that document.
1853990;1537835315;*;asciilifeform looks...
1853991;1537835322;verisimilitude;It has embedded ECMA-48 control sequences for color.
1853992;1537835337;verisimilitude;I've been meaning to refine it and also have a version without color.
1853993;1537835345;verisimilitude;I haven't done that yet, though.
1853994;1537835356;asciilifeform;'The Masturbation Language' loox like stock unmodded classical 'brainfuck'
1853995;1537835360;asciilifeform;what's the diff ?
1853996;1537835370;verisimilitude;It's homoiconic with the = function.
1853997;1537835383;verisimilitude;It either copies the program into memory or the memory to be executed.
1853998;1537835386;mircea_popescu;well, as to the specific question, this "mmc" item will require some looking.
1853999;1537835386;asciilifeform;dare i to ask what is gained from this ?
1854000;1537835401;mircea_popescu;how did you come across the forum anyway ?
1854001;1537835411;verisimilitude;I wanted to make a derivative of P" and Brainfuck that was difficult to compile and also make a crude joke.
1854002;1537835416;asciilifeform;lemme guess, was it via asciilifeform's www
1854003;1537835425;verisimilitude;Yes; I know of here because of you, asciilifeform.
1854004;1537835449;verisimilitude;I assume you're Stanislav.
1854005;1537835453;asciilifeform;aha
1854006;1537835458;asciilifeform;verisimilitude: ever read the #trilema logs ? or just this minute found it
1854007;1537835460;verisimilitude;That's just to make certain I don't start out confused.
1854008;1537835479;verisimilitude;I've not read them in any detail; I take it I have it wrong, then.
1854009;1537835498;verisimilitude;So, I should write I'm only familiar with this channel because of loper-os.
1854010;1537835526;asciilifeform;verisimilitude: i highly recommend it, right now you're in approx the position of that random fella who sat down in a cargo plane and took off on a lark
1854011;1537835536;asciilifeform;verisimilitude: http://btcbase.org/log/
1854012;1537835562;mircea_popescu;http://archive.is/SjWP7 << amusingly, there's a very similar wankfest, missing the s.
1854013;1537835563;asciilifeform;verisimilitude: also highly recommend to make yourself a pgp key, and reg with deedbot,
1854014;1537835566;asciilifeform;!!help
1854015;1537835566;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html
1854016;1537835595;asciilifeform;verisimilitude: then will be able to speak and come into perma-relation with other people.
1854017;1537835649;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lol i have a bunch of photos just like that of timis orcs
1854018;1537835653;verisimilitude;I'll consider it.
1854019;1537835694;asciilifeform;verisimilitude: i have quite a few items in own notebook similar to yours, from decade+ ago. lemme guess, were you stuck on uninhabited island ?
1854020;1537835695;asciilifeform;... prison ?
1854021;1537835716;verisimilitude;No; I'm just bored.
1854022;1537835722;asciilifeform;'The SHUT-IT-DOWN Common Lisp Library' << notbad name.
1854023;1537835747;trinque;plenty of places similar to uninhabited island that one can find
1854024;1537835755;asciilifeform;http://verisimilitudes.net/2018-02-02 << are you familiar with...
1854025;1537835758;asciilifeform;!#s mips.v
1854026;1537835759;a111;5 results for "mips.v", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=mips.v
1854027;1537835759;mircea_popescu;i seriously am going to have to drop 2.x kernels ? this is kinda scandalous.
1854028;1537835775;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i suspected the kernel thing will be uphill.
1854029;1537835777;mircea_popescu;im willing to bet nothing worth the mention was added since 2.6 that can't be added in an improved format to great gain.
1854030;1537835805;verisimilitude;I wasn't familiar with that, no, asciilifeform.
1854031;1537835810;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i wouldn't be opposed to at least attempting to backport 3.x driverola to 2.6
1854032;1537835820;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: but i'm not particularly excited by idea of losing rk
1854033;1537835827;mircea_popescu;why would you have to lose rk ?
1854034;1537835832;mircea_popescu;i don't want losing rk, wut.
1854035;1537835848;asciilifeform;cuz it's 4.x with a pretty large ball of poorly delineated patchola
1854036;1537835879;mircea_popescu;yeah but i mean...
1854037;1537835913;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: see, them little pogolike things, have entire constellation of entirely non-pclike subdevices
1854038;1537835920;asciilifeform;pretty much whole i/o set
1854039;1537835939;mircea_popescu;so ?
1854040;1537835950;mircea_popescu;is your idea drivers won't link against 2 line kernel ?
1854041;1537835959;asciilifeform;not as-they-are, no
1854042;1537835969;mircea_popescu;you compiled these though ? or binball ?
1854043;1537835970;asciilifeform;linus et al diddled the api repeatedly.
1854044;1537835976;asciilifeform;compiled
1854045;1537835990;asciilifeform;the only binball is that coupla kB of ddr ram init thing.
1854046;1537836003;asciilifeform;it runs prior to uboot.
1854047;1537836031;asciilifeform;there's another, larger one, if you want to use the hdmi display thing, but i dun use it anywhere
1854048;1537836034;mircea_popescu;conceivably this might run ? ie, not running currently because never tried, not necessarily because impediments ?
1854049;1537836044;asciilifeform;i'm quite certain that it can be made to.
1854050;1537836052;asciilifeform;but currently do not know with how much fiddle.
1854051;1537836064;mircea_popescu;mind giving it a seeing to ? it'll be a very useful heuristic, imo, "get rk drivers on 2.6 kernel"
1854052;1537836074;mircea_popescu;sorta like a sonar blast to see under this iceberg peak.
1854053;1537836077;asciilifeform;already begun to look into it.
1854054;1537836091;asciilifeform;would be neato imho if we could bring 2.6 back to life trb-style.
1854055;1537836108;asciilifeform;( whoknows, maybe asciilifeform could regain his 64MB toshiba... )
1854056;1537836134;asciilifeform;iirc phf has one too
1854057;1537836139;asciilifeform;( hey phf ! )
1854058;1537836152;mircea_popescu;i would propose ~none of yhou use it for no serious reason, like http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-24#1853922
1854059;1537836152;a111;Logged on 2018-09-24 23:24 trinque: the kernel in current cuntoo is 4.9.95, by virtue solely of being when I took the snapshot
1854060;1537836153;asciilifeform;pentium 166.
1854061;1537836175;mircea_popescu;"i just happened to get dragged to 3.6 line along, dunno"
1854062;1537836186;asciilifeform;typically folx dragged by irons.
1854063;1537836191;mircea_popescu;but if this is not so, i'd much rather find out sooner than later.
1854064;1537836210;mircea_popescu;no, typically folks dragged by the please-upgrade.php.rss
1854065;1537836226;asciilifeform;cant speak for others, but not i.
1854066;1537836239;mircea_popescu;the entire http://trilema.com/2011/nu-mai-faceti-upgrade-la-nimic-niciodata/ stance relatively late in everyone's mind, kernels earlier.
1854067;1537836267;*;asciilifeform only ever built a +ver'd kernel when ran into a piece of i/o iron that could not be brought to life any other way
1854068;1537836287;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> i'm quite certain that it can be made to. <
1854069;1537836299;asciilifeform;well in principle anyffing 'can be made'
1854070;1537836304;asciilifeform;q is with how many years inside pyramid.
1854071;1537836307;mircea_popescu;aaanyways. this needs some looking into
1854072;1537836319;asciilifeform;verily.
1854073;1537836376;asciilifeform;http://verisimilitudes.net/2018-08-18 << nostalgic
1854074;1537836400;asciilifeform;i suspect verisimilitude will enjoy the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-11#1822445 thread.
1854075;1537836400;a111;Logged on 2018-06-11 16:17 asciilifeform: here's a historical lul that mircea_popescu might find stimulating. asciilifeform ( and his brother, and a whole generation of folx ) grew up with a certain orc '100 bytes of ram, but hey it's fucking programmable' little box, http://www.alfredklomp.com/technology/mk-61 . and the Official b00k for it ( http://publ.lib.ru/ARCHIVES/G/GAYSHTUT_Aleksandr_Grigor'evich/_Gayshtut_A.G..html ) had various games (typically you had to draw on g
1854076;1537836437;verisimilitude;I'll take a look.
1854077;1537836473;verisimilitude;I have an MK-61, but no use for it.
1854078;1537836488;asciilifeform;there is ru proverb, 'a spoon is good at dinner time'
1854079;1537836499;asciilifeform;the time to have the mk61 was when you were 5, i suspect
1854080;1537836522;asciilifeform;so, you won't be running emacs on it, no.
1854081;1537836541;verisimilitude;I like my HP 48 series calculators more, yes.
1854082;1537836566;asciilifeform;i got one of'em decadent western hp48 also, yes
1854083;1537836585;asciilifeform;for roughly same purpose ( once in blue moon can pull it out and pretend the year is 1988 )
1854084;1537836594;verisimilitude;I've noticed only one result in the logs for ``yeeloong''.
1854085;1537836601;asciilifeform;!#s loongson
1854086;1537836601;a111;27 results for "loongson", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=loongson
1854087;1537836604;asciilifeform;^
1854088;1537836614;asciilifeform;!#s rms laptop
1854089;1537836614;a111;8 results for "rms laptop", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=rms%20laptop
1854090;1537836620;verisimilitude;Alright.
1854091;1537836627;verisimilitude;Anyway, I'm fortunate enough to own one of those.
1854092;1537836632;asciilifeform;extinct, sadly, item, that thing
1854093;1537836638;verisimilitude;I didn't even pay $400 for it.
1854094;1537836646;asciilifeform;over the years i tried to locate one, somewhere, for some money, 0 dice
1854095;1537836651;verisimilitude;I mostly use it as an OpenBSD Emacs machine.
1854096;1537836669;asciilifeform;i ( and iirc mircea_popescu also once ) tried to buy 'elbrus' also, 0dice
1854097;1537836681;asciilifeform;'not for people'
1854098;1537836699;asciilifeform;!!up verisimilitude
1854099;1537836699;deedbot;verisimilitude voiced for 30 minutes.
1854100;1537836717;asciilifeform;verisimilitude: you'll really want to reg with deedbot if yer interested in further doings.
1854101;1537836734;verisimilitude;I suppose I can use the Yeeloong to generate a PGP key.
1854102;1537836754;asciilifeform;do it with pdp11 if you like, but highly recommend to do it asap.
1854103;1537836763;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu rarely voices n00bs any moar these days.
1854104;1537836783;verisimilitude;It's because I own this hardware that I intend for the first MMC targeting a ``real'' machine to target MIPS.  I decided if I ever got one, I'd try to understand it well enough to run my own software directly on the bare metal and in the boot firmware.
1854105;1537836796;verisimilitude;The boot firmware is awful, however.
1854106;1537836816;asciilifeform;verisimilitude: i've been looking into ( and if you read logs, will know this... ) baking a mips machine.
1854107;1537836824;asciilifeform;from 0
1854108;1537836854;verisimilitude;There's bits of GNU, Linux, OpenBSD, Solaris, K&R C, and other nonsense strewn about; there's Perl programs generating MIPS assembler; C programs that clearly invoke undefined behavior and so only work by chance; and other such things.
1854109;1537836869;verisimilitude;That's interesting.
1854110;1537836908;mircea_popescu;verisimilitude you might as well get one of the rks over in the republica oriental. arm boxes.
1854111;1537836923;asciilifeform;in fact, quite likely i'ma bake it as soon as mircea_popescu blows the trumpet and decrees that it's time.
1854112;1537836942;verisimilitude;ARM is certainly a better architecture than MIPS ever can be.
1854113;1537836950;asciilifeform;i fucking hate arm, as an arch
1854114;1537836959;mircea_popescu;well, in any case fitter for your prototyping needs as i can see them atm.
1854115;1537836961;asciilifeform;( as a cheap iron from chinesium, currently -- king )
1854116;1537836973;mircea_popescu;moreover, a bit of a republican standard, so liable to get more attention.
1854117;1537836985;asciilifeform;wartime standard.
1854118;1537836993;verisimilitude;I'm rather fond of Big-Endian CISC machines, but those are all rather dead nowadays.
1854119;1537836996;asciilifeform;really there is no fucking reason there needs to be more than 8 cpu instructions.
1854120;1537837033;verisimilitude;If you have eight instructions, you're inevitably just going to have a large amount of meta-instructions all the same.
1854121;1537837039;asciilifeform;verisimilitude: verily, i tried with own hands to source a m68k for modern manufacture, and failed utterly
1854122;1537837045;asciilifeform;verisimilitude: just as well.
1854123;1537837052;asciilifeform;i want my 4000 transistor cpu and i'ma get it.
1854124;1537837065;verisimilitude;Well, good luck to you.
1854125;1537837066;asciilifeform;and they'll be optically visible, through window, no less.
1854126;1537837093;mircea_popescu;and issue a paper slip per instruction, for hand-writeoff
1854127;1537837101;asciilifeform;lol
1854128;1537837106;mircea_popescu;IN TRIPLICATE
1854129;1537837111;asciilifeform;bahahaha
1854130;1537837118;verisimilitude;From my perspective, it would probably be easiest to collect several old home computers and make certain they produce identical results, to get reasonably reliable and trustworthy computing.
1854131;1537837119;mircea_popescu;beedog will replicate the politburo-computer.
1854132;1537837137;mircea_popescu;verisimilitude whole fucking republic consists of this.
1854133;1537837147;mircea_popescu;heck, current trilema header is me with ye olde hp in istanbul.
1854134;1537837155;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-15#922644 << see also !111
1854135;1537837155;a111;Logged on 2014-11-15 00:28 asciilifeform: one would read instructions. another, turn a wrench, whatever. third would check that 2 corresponds to 1. then, all three sign under that step in recipe.
1854136;1537837158;mircea_popescu;!#s thinkpad
1854137;1537837158;a111;97 results for "thinkpad", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=thinkpad
1854138;1537837161;verisimilitude;I'd wager I could fit an MMC targeting the 6502 in 64K with only minimal bank switching for larger programs.
1854139;1537837186;asciilifeform;verisimilitude: i've an unbuilt 'btc wallet on 6502' item, for instance.
1854140;1537837211;asciilifeform;socket sits either the current one from western inc. or period '80s unit.
1854141;1537837214;verisimilitude;I take it ``unbuilt'' isn't code for ``broken''.
1854142;1537837224;asciilifeform;verisimilitude: no, means that you cannot buy it presently.
1854143;1537837229;verisimilitude;Alright.
1854144;1537837309;asciilifeform;verisimilitude: y'know how in old arabian tales, fella gets audience with sultan ? gets little bit to speak his bit
1854145;1537837311;asciilifeform;that's you right nao
1854146;1537837318;asciilifeform;i recommend to reg key, won't repeat again.
1854147;1537837332;verisimilitude;I'm generating it right now.
1854148;1537837340;asciilifeform;good; i'ma rate you
1854149;1537837348;verisimilitude;You must understand that I'm very lazy.
1854150;1537837353;asciilifeform;i also lazy
1854151;1537837389;asciilifeform;drop the pub in p.bvulpes.com and !!register url
1854152;1537837409;verisimilitude;Alright.
1854153;1537837434;verisimilitude;What brought you people to freenode, though?
1854154;1537837447;verisimilitude;I'd expect those this concerned would host their own IRC.
1854155;1537837482;verisimilitude;Freenode would really be fine with me, if it didn't block Tor.
1854156;1537837484;asciilifeform;verisimilitude: mircea_popescu , and he historically built 'cheap and angry' . quite likely will migrate off fleanode in not long.
1854157;1537837491;asciilifeform;!#s tor
1854158;1537837492;a111;1157 results for "tor", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=tor
1854159;1537837498;asciilifeform;^ will def. want to read, i suspect.
1854160;1537837514;verisimilitude;Alright.
1854161;1537837538;verisimilitude;Once I get this PGP nonsense sorted out, I'll tell you a story.
1854162;1537837561;asciilifeform;verisimilitude: once rated, you'll be able to speak on own time, and other folx will read in log when they wake.
1854163;1537837576;asciilifeform;( and sometimes answer. )
1854164;1537837579;verisimilitude;Oh; I don't have PGP on the Yeeloong; oh well.
1854165;1537837581;verisimilitude;Alright.
1854166;1537837602;asciilifeform;verisimilitude: make key, you will be able to swap it later by asking politely of trinque
1854167;1537837609;asciilifeform;( don't lose the key )
1854168;1537837721;verisimilitude;I'll try, but I can't make any promises.
1854169;1537837766;BingoBoingo;Think of it this way, how many years have you kept your kidneys without losing them?
1854170;1537837785;verisimilitude;Well, it probably wouldn't be this long if I really had to give it that much thought.
1854171;1537837803;asciilifeform;it is not so difficult to not lose a coupla kB
1854172;1537837809;trinque;it's just that in-group signaling about "tee hee lazy"
1854173;1537837812;asciilifeform;folx manage to stow all sortsa rubbish, for decades
1854174;1537837817;trinque;the in-group cuts the other direction here.
1854175;1537837819;verisimilitude;I'm mostly just joking around, yes.
1854176;1537837844;verisimilitude;You saw through right through me, trinque.
1854177;1537837846;asciilifeform;trinque: errybody went to kindergarten, once.
1854178;1537837879;trinque;verisimilitude: anyhow I wont mind swapping your key later if you want to generate one in more sanitary conditions later, provided you sign for me the new key with old.
1854179;1537837894;verisimilitude;Alright.
1854180;1537837907;verisimilitude;If I don't get it before I run out of time again, I'll just do it later.
1854181;1537837960;asciilifeform;verisimilitude: you have roughly half hr, cuz i gotta get up soon
1854182;1537837983;verisimilitude;Alright.
1854183;1537837997;asciilifeform;( i dun think it took me > half hr to bake pgp key )
1854184;1537838019;verisimilitude;I'm having issues on my Thinkpad with it.  I didn't have all of the software installed here.
1854185;1537838040;verisimilitude;On that topic, I've been using GuixSD for a bit; what are you using, asciilifeform?
1854186;1537838113;asciilifeform;verisimilitude: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-10-10#1295983
1854187;1537838113;a111;Logged on 2015-10-10 12:08 mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/gnupg-1.4.10.tar.gz.asc
1854188;1537838118;BingoBoingo;Informerly local news: https://www.bnd.com/news/politics-government/election/article218745425.html#storylink=hpdigest << I have met two of those derps from the experience of having met them.
1854189;1537838133;asciilifeform;verisimilitude: old gentoo
1854190;1537838212;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: laugh if you like , asciilifeform's 1st thought was 'bundesnachrichtendienst ?!!'
1854191;1537838230;BingoBoingo;lolololol
1854192;1537838260;asciilifeform;verisimilitude has quit (Remote host closed the connection) << loox like he ran out of gas for the modem...
1854193;1537838264;asciilifeform;damn.
1854194;1537838391;asciilifeform;i'ma bbl, then, meat queue overfloweth .
1854195;1537838603;mod6;laters
1854196;1537839659;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1854166 << i live under the impression this is automatic, just reg new key and v with old key
1854197;1537839659;a111;Logged on 2018-09-25 01:06 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: make key, you will be able to swap it later by asking politely of trinque
1854198;1537840113;trinque;nope, I have not had time to implement that
1854199;1537845430;asciilifeform;trinque: imho oughta stay manual
1854200;1537845450;asciilifeform;trinque: key swaps oughta be handcranked and reasonably rare.
1854201;1537845490;asciilifeform;( like all other critica
1854202;1537845496;asciilifeform;l reactor ops )
1854203;1537845524;*;asciilifeform will bbl, over something that aint a speakandspell lol
1854204;1537845656;mircea_popescu;a ok
1854205;1537846341;asciilifeform;narrowly missed answring http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1853975 : i move 100GB+ barrels of vm liquishit over gb nics ~weekly, on lan, would suck on 100m.
1854206;1537846341;a111;Logged on 2018-09-25 00:10 mircea_popescu: but i suppose if you're running a camwhore site or something.
1854207;1537846387;asciilifeform;( and backups, and isos, etc etc )
1854208;1537846583;asciilifeform;my boxen speak 9000x moar to each other , bitwise, than to net
1854209;1537846604;asciilifeform;( is this actually not so in anybody's household ? )
1854210;1537846755;asciilifeform;of course also got boxen pumping MB+/s to net, day an' night, and i ~like~ that they dun saturate the lan while so doing
1854211;1537846835;asciilifeform;could go on, but imho oughta suffice, gb nic 'from my cold dead hands'(tm)
1854212;1537846898;asciilifeform;( lulzily i got sensors, uarts, etc on 10m nics all the while... on modern day switchen this worx without interfering )
1854213;1537856136;mircea_popescu;ah
1854214;1537856148;mircea_popescu;i... don't do that.
1854215;1537856409;mircea_popescu;and no, most boxes speak 1mn:1 more to the net than to me. and if this weren't the case, i wouldn't keep 'em.
1854216;1537861517;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/the-urban-rural-dichotomy-in-terms-of-the-cycles-of-power/ << Trilema - The urban-rural dichotomy in terms of the cycles of power
1854217;1537865922;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-24#1853774 -> so max len goes down to 2048?
1854218;1537865922;a111;Logged on 2018-09-24 19:43 mircea_popescu: diana_coman it occurs to me the work might also be misspecced. anyone have serious objections to moving to 1-2048 down from 1-65536 ?
1854219;1537866371;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-24#1853827 -> sounds at least like something worth getting some data on, yes; I wouldn't even be surprised if ~any frag results in mostly lost packets
1854220;1537866371;a111;Logged on 2018-09-24 20:17 asciilifeform: well yes : conceivably 'frags in 2' worx ~100% of time, but 'in 8' not etc
1854221;1537867153;deedbot;http://bimbo.club/?p=28 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 9/19/2018
1854222;1537873928;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1854219 -> tiny new pilot test seems to suggest it's not as bad as that: all 100 packets of a batch (sent in burst mode, no delays) made it, with pseudo-randomly chosen sizes between 6 and 2048; predictably though, order was messed up at times
1854223;1537873928;a111;Logged on 2018-09-25 09:06 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-24#1853827 -> sounds at least like something worth getting some data on, yes; I wouldn't even be surprised if ~any frag results in mostly lost packets
1854224;1537874006;diana_coman;following from the above: currently order and order-mismatches *can* be calculated at data analysis time based on the 2 logs; alternatively, I could add another 2 octets to the tester's own header to store an order number so receiver can also report directly any order-mismatch - not sure if that's worth it though, any thoughts on it?
1854225;1537874085;diana_coman;ftr tester sends as above payloads between 6 and 2048 rather than 0 and 2048 because the first 6 octets are the header part (things like size sent and time when sent)
1854226;1537874430;diana_coman;for completeness, the logs from the new pilot test: sender log is http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/SdU8P/?raw=true and corresponding receiver log is http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/OXUWa/?raw=true
1854227;1537874532;diana_coman;the last column in the receiver log is now a count of payload octets that are different from what is expected - if any such octets are observed, the receiver will log now their actual position + value in a different log file; so far I haven't seen any error of this type
1854228;1537874581;diana_coman;the pilot test is UK -> UY (same as yesterday's)
1854229;1537878635;diana_coman;uhm, correction re above since I messed up the pilot test earlier (sender sent 100 as shown, but receiver waited for only 50 and then turned off so not much use); updated pilot test with receiver properly looping forever and sender sending 100 packets: 81 of those made it; sender log: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/zs4p5/?raw=true ; receiver log: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/4qiPb/?raw=true
1854230;1537878861;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i suspect that the % of surviving fragged packets will drop as you saturate the link ( with e.g. GB thrown at line speed )
1854231;1537878909;asciilifeform;esp if all fragged ( e.g. test with size of 2048 strictly )
1854232;1537878982;diana_coman;I can certainly run such a test too if we want to check that specific situation; now that I got ~everything in place, knobs can be easily turned for sure
1854233;1537879028;asciilifeform;i strongly suspect that heavy (i.e. always-fragged) packets are not ultimately a bw win
1854234;1537879127;asciilifeform;diana_coman: have you tried in reverse path ?
1854235;1537879164;diana_coman;logically speaking, one wouldn't expect them to be, no; the foggiest part atm for me is that interval from ~512 up to ~1500
1854236;1537879179;asciilifeform;possibly 508
1854237;1537879182;asciilifeform;but yes
1854238;1537879208;diana_coman;no, I am still fuzzing about; but will try in a bit
1854239;1537879227;asciilifeform;aite, i'ma not distract then
1854240;1537879238;*;asciilifeform bbl
1854241;1537882637;asciilifeform;diana_coman: lemme know btw if you'd like to send me the sender and do a packet survival run to/from asciilifeformistan
1854242;1537884431;diana_coman;will do; I can think of a few other routes as well but possibly first have it run on one route for a while and then expand
1854243;1537885235;mod6;mornin'
1854244;1537885550;diana_coman;hi mod6 !
1854245;1537885651;diana_coman;asciilifeform, ftr, just ran a batch 100 packets from UY to UK and... 19 made it! oh boy
1854246;1537885888;mod6;81 just vanished?
1854247;1537885966;diana_coman;but it does seem to be just too much for local setup/saturating basically
1854248;1537885993;diana_coman;mod6, yes! onth a batch of 20 packets only rather than 100 made it fully
1854249;1537886097;diana_coman;even 41/50
1854250;1537886202;mod6;the missing ones didn't hit the interface either? i.e. they were lost in transit, not once they hit your interface?
1854251;1537886447;diana_coman;mod6, as far as I can tell they got lost in transit but I don't know *how close* to the machine itself (this UK machine is behind a router, I've set up port forwarding for it); basically atm the UK->UY vs UY->UK is pretty much client->server vs server-> client communication
1854252;1537886518;mod6;Ah.  running tcpdump at all to log the traffic?
1854253;1537886559;diana_coman;I had tcpdump sniffing at same time and it reported same 19, not more
1854254;1537886568;mod6;huh, weird.
1854255;1537886614;mod6;any chance that the data got consolidated into less packets?
1854256;1537886642;diana_coman;tbh if anything I start suspecting at most the router
1854257;1537886702;diana_coman;I wanted to run this because it mimics much closer eulora client<->server communications but otherwise might set up different end nodes
1854258;1537887128;mod6;*nod*
1854259;1537887143;mod6;overall, sounds like you're making decent progress tho
1854260;1537887282;diana_coman;from the previous UK->UY run, here's the latest version of logs (new: counter so that order of packages can be followed more easily): sender log http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/zktb9/?raw=true receiver log http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/2YPqs/?raw=true
1854261;1537887356;asciilifeform;btw i'd like to share an old asciilifeform algo; not sure if directly applicable to diana_coman's proggy, but may come in handy: for synchronous packetron. to determine when to resend a packet, you wait time T; T is initially a pessimistic value, e.g. 800 msec; but once you start getting responses, you set it at all times to the ~minimal~ response delay observed thus far. and if reply wait exceeds T, you resend & restart the clock.
1854262;1537887367;diana_coman;mod6, certainly; I'll wait pretty much for any feedback on it all and otherwise it's quite ready to run for a week or more (receiver always on, sender as some hourly cron taks)
1854263;1537887372;diana_coman;task, lol
1854264;1537887394;asciilifeform;( naturally this is only applicable to synchronous, i.e. A->B, B->A, A->B, .... , comms )
1854265;1537887402;diana_coman;asciilifeform, that sounds very useful for eulora clients basically
1854266;1537887422;asciilifeform;possibly it it obvious algo. but wanted to put for the l0gz.
1854267;1537887424;diana_coman;if/when they wait for specific replies
1854268;1537887427;diana_coman;sure
1854269;1537887444;diana_coman;asciilifeform, any feedback re latest logs? anything else you'd want in there?
1854270;1537887455;asciilifeform;it makes for a slower than elsewise , but rearrangement-insensitive link
1854271;1537887470;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i'd like to see a test where there is only 1 size, across various sizes, if possible
1854272;1537887488;*;asciilifeform looks at the data from earlier
1854273;1537887573;asciilifeform;diana_coman: can you set it display the ones that ~didn't~ make it
1854274;1537887596;diana_coman;asciilifeform, well, how can it know? i.e. they might come...later, no?
1854275;1537887615;asciilifeform;afaik if it doesn't show up in a sec or so, it's gone
1854276;1537887645;asciilifeform;there is not afaik a carrier pigeon link in use somewhere.
1854277;1537887707;diana_coman;isn't this something more for next step at data analysis? (i.e. minus the two logs and highlight missing stuff)
1854278;1537887718;asciilifeform;sure
1854279;1537887802;asciilifeform;diana_coman: afaik, the remaining fundamental variants are 1) single-sized volleys, for various sizes 2) this, and the earlier variant, at max possible saturation
1854280;1537887851;asciilifeform;1 will more clearly show effect of frag, imho
1854281;1537887873;asciilifeform;( right now you get away with occasional frag, but possibly strictly because preceded/followed by unfragged, etc )
1854282;1537887942;diana_coman;aha; meanwhile playing here with the dubious UY->UK direction and I'd say it's pretty clear that bursts of more than 50 packets or so increase packet loss visibly; I suppose this makes for a nice thing to look at specifically once I get one week of data or so
1854283;1537887970;asciilifeform;i suspect this'll be very frag-sensitive
1854284;1537887973;diana_coman;asciilifeform, apparently there is also various sizes bursts
1854285;1537888053;asciilifeform;( upstack -- one of the wins from synchronous variant is that you never saturate the link )
1854286;1537888072;diana_coman;got 31/75 even when all sizes were below 300
1854287;1537888081;asciilifeform;interesting
1854288;1537888088;asciilifeform;and about on par with asciilifeform's experience
1854289;1537888625;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i have a suspicion that saturation bursts trigger anti-ddos hackolade in some places
1854290;1537888640;diana_coman;asciilifeform, that sounds possible
1854291;1537888678;*;diana_coman will bbl
1854292;1537888959;asciilifeform;i picture the end product as something like tcp but without the retardations.
1854293;1537889001;asciilifeform;( i.e. without the plaintext control messages, where any thirdparty derp can close your connection, infer contents via burst lengths, etc )
1854294;1537889869;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1854224 << i don't think it is.
1854295;1537889869;a111;Logged on 2018-09-25 11:13 diana_coman: following from the above: currently order and order-mismatches *can* be calculated at data analysis time based on the 2 logs; alternatively, I could add another 2 octets to the tester's own header to store an order number so receiver can also report directly any order-mismatch - not sure if that's worth it though, any thoughts on it?
1854296;1537889957;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1854229 << ok this sounds more along expectations, (because "all made it" had me going wtf over here). so yeah, 80%ish sounds like we're finally in the right range, measuring something.
1854297;1537889957;a111;Logged on 2018-09-25 12:30 diana_coman: uhm, correction re above since I messed up the pilot test earlier (sender sent 100 as shown, but receiver waited for only 50 and then turned off so not much use); updated pilot test with receiver properly looping forever and sender sending 100 packets: 81 of those made it; sender log: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/zs4p5/?raw=true ; receiver log: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/4qiPb/?raw=true
1854298;1537890023;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1854241 <<< she;s gonna publish the code with the first batch of results, so anyone can / everyone's invited to replicate.
1854299;1537890023;a111;Logged on 2018-09-25 13:37 asciilifeform: diana_coman: lemme know btw if you'd like to send me the sender and do a packet survival run to/from asciilifeformistan
1854300;1537890034;mircea_popescu;look for next blogpost :D
1854301;1537890383;mod6;cool
1854302;1537891039;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1854271 << that's what this is, dood. same size sent every hour "accross possible sizes"
1854303;1537891039;a111;Logged on 2018-09-25 14:57 asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'd like to see a test where there is only 1 size, across various sizes, if possible
1854304;1537891119;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1854282 << i don't get it, 50 packets / hour is less than 1 per minute. this can't saturate anything. are you doing the burst in the sense of just dumping all the packets on the interface in 2 s and waiting the 3598 other s idle ?
1854305;1537891119;a111;Logged on 2018-09-25 15:05 diana_coman: aha; meanwhile playing here with the dubious UY->UK direction and I'd say it's pretty clear that bursts of more than 50 packets or so increase packet loss visibly; I suppose this makes for a nice thing to look at specifically once I get one week of data or so
1854306;1537891128;mircea_popescu;add a 1s delay between packets.
1854307;1537891185;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1854293 << tcp is truly a worthless piece of crap. the more one looks at it, the more one doesn't want anyone involved with it anywhere near his shit.
1854308;1537891185;a111;Logged on 2018-09-25 15:23 asciilifeform: ( i.e. without the plaintext control messages, where any thirdparty derp can close your connection, infer contents via burst lengths, etc )
1854309;1537891257;phf;ave1: just fyi i punted on trying to get it operational on a "recent" linux. i hacked around the isystem issue, and ran into something else entirely downstream. also it is a "recent" linux issue, because it builds fine on as-heathen-as-it-gets centos 6.7 (2016 or so)
1854310;1537891318;phf;my guess as to the issue is that the combination of flags required in order to bring up a "bootstrap" system has changed, bootstrap process produces a build that fails to stand on its own
1854311;1537891627;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the braindamage of tcp, iirc, is elaborated in buncha old threads
1854312;1537891660;asciilifeform;( and there's megatonnes of shit iceberg beneath the tip, look some time at an actual implementation... )
1854313;1537891857;mircea_popescu;phf paste the spew ?
1854314;1537891876;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i've been on and off looking through for the past coupla weeks.
1854315;1537892100;mircea_popescu;"Bingoboingo is being questioned about having ‘two imports’" hahaha this girl.
1854316;1537892115;BingoBoingo;lol
1854317;1537892117;mircea_popescu;hanbot any clue why the selection trick dun work on nicoleci 's blog ? was this not in the tree or ?
1854318;1537892120;asciilifeform;!#s from:asciilifeform tcp
1854319;1537892120;a111;158 results for "from:asciilifeform tcp", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Aasciilifeform%20tcp
1854320;1537892162;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> hanbot any clue why the selection trick dun work on nicoleci 's blog ? was this not in the tree or ? << It isn't in the mpwp v-tree, no
1854321;1537892168;mircea_popescu;nicoleci "Discussion on if" is stylistically damaged.
1854322;1537892217;mircea_popescu;"Discussion on how mircea_popescu does not like the new extension (v), as it fragments the sensata-perceptible identity of the v" << this is so fucking cute. what's sensata-perceptible, bimbo ?
1854323;1537892344;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'catalogue of tcp braindamage' is prolly ripe for an article. ( sadly asciilifeform is mired in liquishit and prolly will not write it this wk )
1854324;1537892358;mircea_popescu;im not fucking writing that. i don't like tcp enough.
1854325;1537892365;asciilifeform;lol
1854326;1537892372;mircea_popescu;i'm not writing the "lifestory of linus", either. for the same exact reason -- who the fuck is he ?
1854327;1537892375;BingoBoingo;It also turns out default theme needs some poking to make the selection magic work as per spyked http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-13#1787763
1854328;1537892375;a111;Logged on 2018-03-13 20:25 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-13#1787759 <-- a-ha, mystery solved! Trilema has a <div class="post"> child to <span id="shash-...">, so that portion of the script selects it when the child is not a text node (the nodeType==3 bit). thetarpit DOM tree is flatter and doesn't wrap the content in this additional div. NB, will keep it mind should performance ever prove to be an issue.
1854329;1537892384;mircea_popescu;and i didn't write the lifestory of rms, and so on. not everyone is c s lewis.
1854330;1537892399;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it does have the flavour of 'culinary shortcomings of dog shit' treatise, eh.
1854331;1537892414;mircea_popescu;of martian poop. i don't even live on mars.
1854332;1537892449;mircea_popescu;all through the attempt the question would be "why did you expect martian poop is culinary item" and i'd have no answer and it'd drive me mad.
1854333;1537892452;asciilifeform;wouldn't go this far; dunno about mircea_popescu , but i'm presently connected to fleanode, trb, etc via tcp
1854334;1537892462;mircea_popescu;i'm not.
1854335;1537892477;mircea_popescu;i'm currently connected through the internet through sheer force of will, and there's a tcp thing trying to rape this.
1854336;1537892483;asciilifeform;lol
1854337;1537892488;mircea_popescu;fact.
1854338;1537892555;mircea_popescu;this is not some "stylistical take", either. it is FACTUAL. exactly in the same manner of ring binder http://btcbase.org/log/2013-12-22#429394 discussion :
1854339;1537892555;a111;Logged on 2013-12-22 16:56 asciilifeform: 'what people “want” is a function of what they learn is available. e.g., do Americans want three-ring binders, and Europeans four-ring binders? or do they want binders and take whatever number of holes they come with? or do they want something that can help them organize their papers and take whatever is available? or do they really want a less cluttered office and ease of storage and retrieval of the infor
1854340;1537892578;mircea_popescu;"people are keeping their office uncluttered through sheer force of will, and there's a bunch of crap trying to rape this, such as 'ring binders'."
1854341;1537892579;asciilifeform;no i get it
1854342;1537892609;mircea_popescu;what people want is what people want, and then "what is available" tries to fuck with this.
1854343;1537892636;mircea_popescu;"i want a girl" "how about mary ?" process. if i wanted fucking mary, i'd have fucking said i want mary.
1854344;1537892652;hanbot;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1854317 >> as BB said, not in tree
1854345;1537892652;a111;Logged on 2018-09-25 16:15 mircea_popescu: hanbot any clue why the selection trick dun work on nicoleci 's blog ? was this not in the tree or ?
1854346;1537892696;mircea_popescu;"but mp... eventually... you'll have to do SOMETHING." "yes, and even without that maybe eventually i will do something. this gives no one license to pretend the inadequacy of ontos is now gnosis' problem."
1854347;1537892742;mircea_popescu;hanbot scheduled to patch ?
1854348;1537892842;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: reminds of ancient convo b/w asciilifeform and pet :  'p : 'i want a shelfifier' a: 'you mean, a shelf' p : 'no, shelfifier' a: '...' p: 'device that produces shelf where and when needed, then removes' '
1854349;1537892853;mircea_popescu;ikr ?
1854350;1537892857;asciilifeform;aha!
1854351;1537892882;mircea_popescu;most people emulate this by getting larger kitchen so headbang on cabinet less statistically likely. then they have more floor to clean.
1854352;1537892892;asciilifeform;entirely so.
1854353;1537892928;mircea_popescu;~this~ is the fundamental problem of the world, and the whole fucking point of gnosis (as the cvasi-religious movement) : creator was ~evidently~ fucktarded, nothing to be proud of.
1854354;1537892940;mircea_popescu;quarter-urge.
1854355;1537892972;asciilifeform;makers of physical objects, i can reluctantly forgive for failing to produce shelfifier. but those of ideal objects -- for them there can be no forgiveness
1854356;1537892980;mircea_popescu;eeeexactly!
1854357;1537892990;phf;mircea_popescu, ave1 http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/QtjVR/?raw=true this was the log from the last invocation, but i'm not sure if it's representative of an issue. this was downstream from a handful of hacks and manual invocations
1854358;1537892996;mircea_popescu;ty
1854359;1537893005;mircea_popescu;just good to have, you never know what when where sparks.
1854360;1537893018;phf;aye
1854361;1537893037;asciilifeform;'configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables' << wat
1854362;1537893052;asciilifeform;'See `config.log' for more details.' >> what's in there, phf ?
1854363;1537893078;mircea_popescu;"phf: the problem with publishing ununderstood spew is that you're potentially publishing forever"
1854364;1537893114;phf;:>
1854365;1537893204;phf;well, i have some idea what's going on, the binutils build is attempting to use bootstrapped gcc, which in turn can't find its own link objects, one sec on log
1854366;1537893224;phf;^ http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/M42gA/?raw=true
1854367;1537893255;phf;(relevant bits are at "cannot find crt1.o")
1854368;1537893642;phf;(the previous error i mentioned in logs was probably using same compiler before it was installed into its destination, because it was being invoked with explicit -B flags (-B flag points to compiler bits explicitly). this new failing bootstrapped compiler would work if provided explicit -B which makes me guess that some phase that was supposed to get compiler into knowing where its bits are failed.)
1854369;1537893887;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1854304 -> burst is burst so yes, dumping all without any delay; among other things that's why those pilot tests, to decide on/if delay
1854370;1537893887;a111;Logged on 2018-09-25 15:58 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1854282 << i don't get it, 50 packets / hour is less than 1 per minute. this can't saturate anything. are you doing the burst in the sense of just dumping all the packets on the interface in 2 s and waiting the 3598 other s idle ?
1854371;1537893999;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1854294 -> ok
1854372;1537893999;a111;Logged on 2018-09-25 15:37 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1854224 << i don't think it is.
1854373;1537894041;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1854298 -> certainly
1854374;1537894041;a111;Logged on 2018-09-25 15:40 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1854241 <<< she;s gonna publish the code with the first batch of results, so anyone can / everyone's invited to replicate.
1854375;1537894061;mircea_popescu;ic.
1854376;1537894080;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1854302 -> I took that to mean he wants to select only those of a given size, hence ..yes, easy
1854377;1537894080;a111;Logged on 2018-09-25 15:57 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1854271 << that's what this is, dood. same size sent every hour "accross possible sizes"
1854378;1537894088;mircea_popescu;yeah, i don't think we're trying to study bursts or saturation here. rather a study of the route under best conditions so to speak.
1854379;1537894150;diana_coman;k, will add delay 1 sec between packets at sender, not a problem
1854380;1537894296;diana_coman;btw, there is no "idle", no; sender sends and finishes, what idle? it'll get started again by a cron task
1854381;1537894308;diana_coman;receiver is always on, but there's not much point in sender being always on
1854382;1537894364;diana_coman;(it can be done though, if one really wants it, basically an Ada task to be repeated hourly, but I don't see the benefit to that)
1854383;1537894389;mircea_popescu;right.
1854384;1537894404;mircea_popescu;i just meant, "nothing happens"
1854385;1537894411;diana_coman;ah, yes
1854386;1537894563;diana_coman;to recap so I don't miss anything: no counter sent in header for packets; packets will have sizes between 6 (header length so minimum) and 2048; sender will have a 1second delay between each new package sent
1854387;1537894584;mircea_popescu;right.
1854388;1537894610;mircea_popescu;meanwhile i simply can't not quote this :
1854389;1537894613;mircea_popescu;"It was a capital lecture so far as this, that the tutor who gave it had got up his subject completely. He knew the whole history of the Articles, how they grew into their present shape, with what fortunes, what had been added, and when, and what omitted. With this, of course, was joined an explanation of the text, as deduced, as far as could be, from the historical account thus given. Not only the British, but the foreign Re
1854390;1537894613;mircea_popescu;formers were introduced; and nothing was wanting, at least in the intention of the lecturer, for fortifying the young inquirer in the doctrine and discipline of the Church of England.
1854391;1537894613;mircea_popescu;It did not produce this effect on Reding. Whether he had expected too much, or whatever was the cause, so it was that he did but feel more vividly the sentiment of the old father in the comedy, after consulting the lawyers, "Incertior sum multo quam ante." He saw that the profession of faith contained in the Articles was but a patchwork of bits of orthodoxy, Lutheranism, Calvinism, and Zuinglism; and this too on no principle;
1854392;1537894616;*;diana_coman goes to tweak the knobs again, will bbl
1854393;1537894616;mircea_popescu; that it was but the work of accident, if there be such a thing as accident; that it had come down in the particular shape in which the English Church now receives it, when it might have come down in any other shape; that it was but a toss-up that Anglicans at this day were not Calvinists, or Presbyterians, or Lutherans, equally well as Episcopalians. This historical fact did but clench the difficulty, or rather impossibility
1854394;1537894623;mircea_popescu;, of saying what the faith of the English Church was."
1854395;1537894658;mircea_popescu;dude manages, 50 or so pages in, to fully explain the fucking problem. "i gave up on this idiocy because upon first serious examination -- idiotic". i can see that.
1854396;1537894746;mircea_popescu;if only c s lewis went to the same oxford as j h newman! what ample oddles of bellybutton lint'd have been spared the examination! how much better the prose, and the world resting upon it.
1854397;1537894886;mircea_popescu;it is the singular misfortune of the world that the sort of people who lived before computing lived before computing, and the sort living with computing are the sort we see around. i'd very much like these switched, give computers to that newman and give typhus to the current professor of logic.
1854398;1537894957;ave1;phf, your error is in the AdaCore gnat gcc (gcc -version shows these boron.a directories)
1854399;1537894961;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: could easily not be unrelated tho
1854400;1537894988;asciilifeform;for all i know, sanity requires typhus goin'round
1854401;1537895011;ave1;phf: I suspect this modern systems has placed the C library and crt1.o etc in some wierd place
1854402;1537895107;ave1;systems --> system
1854403;1537895281;ave1;to debug it, just try to compile a basic C hello world with the AdaCore gcc (and also with the system gcc, with -v so that it shows you the paths)
1854404;1537895310;phf;ave1: that is not what's going on
1854405;1537895352;phf;by then adacore gnat gcc already managed to compile a whole bunch of stuff
1854406;1537895518;phf;actually, that is what's going on! but i'm not sure how it got that way, because i've both tested adacore's gnat ahead of time, and also had it building things. something must've gotten clobbered
1854407;1537895607;phf;well, the system in question also has empty /usr/include at this point. so yeah things got clobbered
1854408;1537895683;ave1;wow, that never happed to me yet, if the scripts somehow can cause this please report!
1854409;1537895709;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform possibly.
1854410;1537895971;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/09/on-bail-cody-wilson-surrenders-weapon-development-project-to-new-director-active-in-arts-and-poetry-circles/ << Qntra - On Bail Cody Wilson Surrenders Weapon Development Project To New Director "Active In Arts And Poetry Circles"
1854411;1537895989;mircea_popescu;hahaha
1854412;1537896025;asciilifeform;imho there is substance to mircea_popescu's 'winblowz was created by supernumerary children who failed to find grave in time' hypothesis
1854413;1537896030;asciilifeform;and oh ha
1854414;1537896047;asciilifeform;so d00d linused himself on the stake, huh.
1854415;1537896082;mircea_popescu;what the FUCK are "poetry circles" ? what fucking circles ? something like http://trilema.com/2015/mps-very-brief-foray-into-a-poetry-forum/ ? or not even ?
1854416;1537896088;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> so d00d linused himself on the stake, huh. << Linus is a line in the Wilson piece because presumably Wilson at least got his nut off with the little girl who fucked him
1854417;1537896130;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> what the FUCK are "poetry circles" ? what fucking circles ? something like http://trilema.com/2015/mps-very-brief-foray-into-a-poetry-forum/ ? or not even ? << That. Get high go to coffee shop with bongo drum, etc
1854418;1537896133;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo linus got nut off with her stupid mother.
1854419;1537896144;BingoBoingo;Cucking is a thing!
1854420;1537896146;mircea_popescu;speaking of stupid girlfriends of naggums : anyone recall the "obituary" lulz ?
1854421;1537896151;BingoBoingo;AHA
1854422;1537896153;asciilifeform;yes!
1854423;1537896165;asciilifeform;iirc site still up
1854424;1537896188;BingoBoingo;Bitch only had to do three things: SOCKS and COCKS and Eulogy
1854425;1537896226;mircea_popescu;lulziest shit ever, there was at the time a whole redditactivism thing that aimed to (somehow) hurtfully & distressfully associate trilema with the expression.
1854426;1537896235;mircea_popescu;it... well inexplicably it went nowhere.
1854427;1537896259;BingoBoingo;Whatever happened to sciencehatesMpsStalker
1854428;1537896279;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: hey, usg 3ringbinder talmud prolly decreed that they must try at least 11 times..
1854429;1537896318;mircea_popescu;i can't begin to guess why it'd go nowhere, i mean, a) insulting people by using their own words often works (on retards, why would it not work on people who say what they mean & mean what they say ?) and moreover b) summarization works on everything else, why'd trilema escape it and c) wtf is this strategic superiority jazz and who ever heard of the rhino-mud-birthday-gift issue. and so on
1854430;1537896328;asciilifeform;( this is, i shit ther not, how they actually work, approx )
1854431;1537896346;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo found bf/drug dealer, is happily working the ghetto streets now ?
1854432;1537896424;mircea_popescu;there was a film about "successful negro reclaimed by streets", walk of shame.
1854433;1537896424;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Will investigate
1854434;1537896439;mircea_popescu;of course, they gave it a "happy ending", but it's fucking obvious what ~really~ happened.
1854435;1537896726;asciilifeform;'Taipei police reportedly next handed Wilson over to the National Immigration Agency. Though Taiwan lacks an extradition agreement with the US...' << unsurprise
1854436;1537896741;BingoBoingo;Related: Will be sleeping at a hostel tonight after spanish class to keep in touch with my roots. That and people give me the heads up when its pizza night (free calories).
1854437;1537896787;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Looks like a standard east azn deportation
1854438;1537896819;asciilifeform;lol , gotta ask what then'd be a 'nonstandard' ?
1854439;1537896916;BingoBoingo;non-standard is they let the white devil take their wimmins with him
1854440;1537897551;BingoBoingo;In other completely unsurprising finds the Linux cock writer is <b>MR.</b> "Coraline" Ehmke
1854441;1537898014;hanbot;<mircea_popescu> hanbot scheduled to patch ? << iirc this is second instance of query. i'll patch it this week, yes.
1854442;1537907730;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: plox to check that emailbox asap
1854443;1537907838;asciilifeform;err, lemme try that again,
1854444;1537907863;asciilifeform;ok nao.
1854445;1537907883;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Reading
1854446;1537908096;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: dafuq is 'DINAMA' anyway
1854447;1537908110;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Reading up on it
1854448;1537908560;asciilifeform;if we can't even get motherfucking crate of 300 $ disk mailed, will have to organize an expedition ahead of schedule.
1854449;1537908572;asciilifeform;unless BingoBoingo pulls some magic out of his sleeve.
1854450;1537908591;asciilifeform;cuz this is screamingly retarded.
1854451;1537908616;asciilifeform;rk plant currently has 0 spare parts !!
1854452;1537908842;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'm beginning to suspect enemy action (i.e. some 'well-wisher' made a call to 'the right organs' in orcistan, or somesuch )
1854453;1537908942;asciilifeform;consider -- 3 crates went.
1854454;1537908971;diana_coman;what'd DINAMA asciilifeform ?
1854455;1537908979;asciilifeform;how the fuck would i know !
1854456;1537909013;asciilifeform;full text : 'Estimado: Me informa el despachante que se encuentra inhabilitado para importar por DINAMA. Agradezco una vez regularice la situación nos informe para procesar el permiso. Saludos cordiales.'
1854457;1537909019;asciilifeform;and this after derping for week+
1854458;1537909040;asciilifeform;and various idjit orc forms, which BingoBoingo not only filled but hand-carried in.
1854459;1537909077;BingoBoingo;DINAMA appears to be https://mvotma.gub.uy/dinama
1854460;1537909078;diana_coman;to me it sounds very much like the usual bakshish/peshkesh request, lol
1854461;1537909098;BingoBoingo;i.e. "environmentorast" agency
1854462;1537909104;asciilifeform;diana_coman: normal people make bakshish request with a 'pay here'
1854463;1537909121;diana_coman;asciilifeform, tsk, that's a fee!
1854464;1537909125;asciilifeform;and it's been paid.
1854465;1537909274;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: iirc there was some physical place, to which you went ? perhaps time to go there once more.
1854466;1537909309;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: find out, what the everliving fuck.
1854467;1537909319;BingoBoingo;Well, I'll have to read an go to the physical places tomorrow.
1854468;1537909349;asciilifeform;read what ?? all we got is equiv of 'GURU MEDIATION ERROR 12345'
1854469;1537909368;BingoBoingo;Well, wtf the office is and why they might complain.
1854470;1537909409;asciilifeform;i mean, wtf, enviro ?! what, this model of usb stick is banned in uy because does not include enuff % cow shit by mass ??
1854471;1537909416;BingoBoingo;And going has to be tomorrow because offices are closing for the day at this hour
1854472;1537909417;asciilifeform;whereas the other, included ??
1854473;1537909464;BingoBoingo;Maybe adhesive banned on hedgehogs?
1854474;1537909482;asciilifeform;rrright, somebody bothered to open & sniff'em
1854475;1537909484;asciilifeform;my arse.
1854476;1537909611;asciilifeform;'tis a crying shame that mircea_popescu doesn't live in uy... i suspect there's a cunt somewhere who needs flaying.
1854477;1537909621;asciilifeform;slow, methodical flaying.
1854478;1537909624;mircea_popescu;wait what ?!
1854479;1537909631;diana_coman;my point above was that "derping for week+" + obscure "fault you have to fix" sounds precisely like "I keep asking for a bribe and I did not get any!!"
1854480;1537909637;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i think we have something like your earlier bank wire thing, going
1854481;1537909644;mircea_popescu;heh
1854482;1537909785;mod6;diana_coman has a point, aren't we supposed to grease the wheels in such a palce?
1854483;1537909789;mod6;*place
1854484;1537909841;asciilifeform;mod6: lulazon collected a ~30% bakshish prepay on all 4 crates to date; 3 made it, 4th -- somehow not
1854485;1537909847;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, 1s delay seems to result at least on UK->UY direction on preserving even order at destination, at least at this hour; at any rate, I'll look at it tomorrow and unless I can spot some trouble, it should then be chugging along
1854486;1537909866;mircea_popescu;alright.
1854487;1537909876;mircea_popescu;unless dinama, amirite ?
1854488;1537909881;diana_coman;ahahhaah
1854489;1537909913;asciilifeform;lol, they would if they could
1854490;1537909916;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1854470 << lol, simmer down, you.
1854491;1537909916;a111;Logged on 2018-09-25 21:03 asciilifeform: i mean, wtf, enviro ?! what, this model of usb stick is banned in uy because does not include enuff % cow shit by mass ??
1854492;1537909919;asciilifeform;( picture, tariff on packets )
1854493;1537909941;mircea_popescu;the method you're currently using is and always was regarded as braindamaged at best.
1854494;1537910015;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: can you think of less braindamaged ? ( say i had budgeted 9000 spares for april expedition. then we'd be sitting on 8994 lemon drives. )
1854495;1537910122;mircea_popescu;amazon whatever the fuck to your house, and either ferry it over in luggage or else mail it over in old newspapers. what you're trying to do is the mail equivalent of http://cascadianhacker.com/classically-inept-couriering
1854496;1537910245;asciilifeform;the old newspapers is worth a shot. and if this fails, it'll have to run like antarctic station, i.e. supply rocket quarterly-semiquarterly, and priced in.
1854497;1537910256;mircea_popescu;alternatively, source it locally ; or get a company off the ground already, get it a customs agent and process the crates there.
1854498;1537910283;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'm satisfied that BingoBoingo sniffed erry possible local arse for local source.
1854499;1537910285;asciilifeform;there aint any.
1854500;1537910296;mircea_popescu;alright.
1854501;1537910308;asciilifeform;'customs agent' last time it was seen to, was cost-~equivalent to asciilifeform's magic trunk.
1854502;1537910322;mircea_popescu;whatever you pick of that 5ish items list, the "let's see what happens if you amazon it over" was never more than that -- novelty lulz item.
1854503;1537910330;asciilifeform;correct.
1854504;1537910335;mircea_popescu;so then why getting excited.
1854505;1537910342;asciilifeform;sorta why i posted a $5 cable the 1st time.
1854506;1537910392;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: do what remains to do to put a proper cross on the grave, and after that i'ma start taking cargo manifest calls.
1854507;1537910401;asciilifeform;( unless mod6 or ben_vulpes wants to be next. )
1854508;1537910454;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: and incidentally, dunforget , yer the chair nao ! so if you have smarter idea, plox to say asap.
1854509;1537910459;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform would it be fair to say the discount for risk-of-loss through this process is about 40% ? ie, 2 in 5 shipments are lost to it ?
1854510;1537910472;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that's actually the part that set my blood pressure
1854511;1537910482;asciilifeform;i.e. i have nfi whether '4 in 5' or '100% after 3'
1854512;1537910486;mircea_popescu;ah.
1854513;1537910494;asciilifeform;it's a winblowz-style eggog.
1854514;1537910515;mircea_popescu;well in any case, 1.3 surcharge * 1.4 risk of loss means almost 200% the price.
1854515;1537910526;asciilifeform;if this were a 'of 4 rockets, 1 falls into the sea' asciilifeform would not blink even.
1854516;1537910530;mircea_popescu;in which case, simply shipping books or w/e seems competitive.
1854517;1537910609;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you ever talked to the chinos ? i mean specifically the supermarket folks. they routinely blocade run, might be able to get you some shit ?
1854518;1537910871;mircea_popescu;anyway, the one point here that's not clear to me at all is why would anyone expect uruguayan law applies to us ? BingoBoingo is not a national, what fucking "dinama" ?
1854519;1537910943;asciilifeform;afaik uy dun have an extraterritoriality thing with usa. ( and if it did, would we even be working with it )
1854520;1537910949;phf;dinamo is a machine for extracting bablos from lohs, asciilifeform should know that. dinama must be a south american variant
1854521;1537910956;mircea_popescu;what's that to do with anything ?
1854522;1537910967;mircea_popescu;"i get it, you have a law about your peons not being allowed to buy shit. good. so ?"
1854523;1537910969;asciilifeform;phf: lol was my 1st thought
1854524;1537910996;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: afaik erry uppity peonistan regards errything mailed there as customsable
1854525;1537911013;mircea_popescu;maybe i misread, but that wasn't the problem ?
1854526;1537911033;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the exact point of eggog is unclear to me, this is why i asked BingoBoingo to dig.
1854527;1537911043;asciilifeform;all i got is that ??? email.
1854528;1537911049;mircea_popescu;i understood the complaint as "apparently someone somewhere is under the impression BingoBoingo can't get 3490874389 crates shipped because there's a law about local morons being limited to 2"
1854529;1537911070;mircea_popescu;which, whatever, if they don't yield fucking sue them
1854530;1537911096;mircea_popescu;file papers for conversion/theft against the agency and one individual involved (pick whoever you least liked) personally and there you go.
1854531;1537911097;asciilifeform;this was my impression as of this morning. and was also my impression that BingoBoingo went and danced the asked-for dance with the orcs, and thereafter eggog is to vanish. but turns out -- not.
1854532;1537911116;mircea_popescu;if nothing else, will make great blogpost.
1854533;1537911283;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: unless i'm thick, this needs a specialist who's actually trustworthy, neh
1854534;1537911295;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo can actually sue in his own name
1854535;1537911304;mircea_popescu;conversion is a civil matter anyway.
1854536;1537911337;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: sounds like winning idea, imho.
1854537;1537911352;asciilifeform;what's it even cost to file, in orcistan, cost of a whiskey?
1854538;1537911356;mircea_popescu;if nothing else, will introduce him to the courts ; and open a whole new lolz front.
1854539;1537911379;mircea_popescu;i don't expect it's expensive, no. besides, very likely will be arbitrated rather than adjudicated
1854540;1537911407;mircea_popescu;(first phase of this will consist of local retards very intently repeating what BingoBoingo "has to understand" that "things is" and BingoBoingo laughintg his ass off)
1854541;1537911428;asciilifeform;i'd normally expect would be dismissed with prejudice, under 'article 12345: we do whatever the fuck we want and suck it' but this is possibly biased by life in usa
1854542;1537911446;mircea_popescu;it's not been my experience anywhere ; including the us.
1854543;1537911452;mircea_popescu;it's biased by life in your own head, mostly.
1854544;1537911482;asciilifeform;anyway i have no opposition to an experimental test
1854545;1537911488;asciilifeform;there is no substitute for experiment.
1854546;1537911551;mircea_popescu; I reached out to this new contact, one Martin << whatever happened to this fellow btw ? story as recorded by ben_vulpes seems altogether inconsistent with http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1854501 ? did i miss some developments ?
1854547;1537911551;a111;Logged on 2018-09-25 21:18 asciilifeform: 'customs agent' last time it was seen to, was cost-~equivalent to asciilifeform's magic trunk.
1854548;1537911557;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes selectable text, when
1854549;1537911762;mircea_popescu;amusingly, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1854493 is right there in black and white : "Based on my experiences with customs both times, anyone taking hardware to Spaceship Montevideo must conceal as much of it in servers as possible, and unbag that which cannot be plugged in, as items that are "new in box" trigger the customs officials no end."
1854550;1537911762;a111;Logged on 2018-09-25 21:12 mircea_popescu: the method you're currently using is and always was regarded as braindamaged at best.
1854551;1537911772;mircea_popescu;you've paid a lot of money to figure out "no items new in box", why not use it.
1854552;1537911858;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo you ever talked to the chinos ? i mean specifically the supermarket folks. they routinely blocade run, might be able to get you some shit ? << I'm trying to find restaurant Chinese here. The only Chinese Chinese I reliably come across are new chinese wearing suits and renting WTC to buy cows.
1854553;1537911879;mircea_popescu;http://cascadianhacker.com/least-effort-signups-in-django/comment-page-6#comment-755 << there's also something straqnge going on there.
1854554;1537911888;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: prev 3 datapoints suggested 'can mail with 30% bakshish' ; but apparently yes, will have to return to orig hypothesis.
1854555;1537911890;mircea_popescu;cows ?!
1854556;1537911904;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: China wants to eat beef
1854557;1537911910;BingoBoingo;Uruguay sells beef
1854558;1537911914;mircea_popescu;ah ah
1854559;1537911917;mircea_popescu;well, so talk to them
1854560;1537911927;mircea_popescu;talk to people ; statistically it's always better to than not to.
1854561;1537911951;mircea_popescu;it never yet happened that "my decision to not talk to this stranger paid off". seems counterintuitive, is nevertheless the case.
1854562;1537911984;BingoBoingo;Will talk to them when they smoke circle outside the towers.
1854563;1537911989;mircea_popescu;you know ?
1854564;1537912056;BingoBoingo;There's a group that regularly smoke circles in front of the datacenter tower, will get on it.
1854565;1537912068;mircea_popescu;you ever appeared pro se before a court before ?
1854566;1537912086;BingoBoingo;I have indeed
1854567;1537912098;BingoBoingo;Civil and criminal
1854568;1537912116;BingoBoingo;Civil went better than criminal did
1854569;1537912164;mircea_popescu;alrighty then.
1854570;1537912185;mircea_popescu;moreover, uruguay is if memory serves civil rather than common law. even easier to do.
1854571;1537912210;BingoBoingo;I'll look for a copy of the code at the Feria Sunday
1854572;1537912263;BingoBoingo;They have one, one person wrote it, as legal writings go it can't be an awful read
1854573;1537912499;mircea_popescu;good for spanish in any case, and to impress the peruanas.
1854574;1537912511;BingoBoingo;Anyways, in the reading of the now it looks like it could be a small wank where I may have to register the business of myself as an importer of products packaged in non-reusable packaging
1854575;1537912514;mircea_popescu;"for a date wed, you can come watch me in court"
1854576;1537912530;*;mircea_popescu used to do this in his teens, to very moistening effect indeed.
1854577;1537912614;BingoBoingo;My past civil experiences could have had that effect. The traffic court case over a 75 USD speeding ticket prolly not.
1854578;1537912699;BingoBoingo;But yes this is a civil law system here, and I don't see why anyone who went to a facultad de derecho ought to have any chance if I do case prep.
1854579;1537912729;mircea_popescu;well, also a matter of principles involved. "these schmucks stole my shit, what matters it was only $300" sounds a lot better than "i am so fucking cheap, ima try and beg mom to let me off hook for $75 in damages".
1854580;1537912866;BingoBoingo;The principal in the traffic case was Pocahontas, Illinois (and the rest of Bond County) can be arsed to get the radars they buy used calibrated.
1854581;1537912896;BingoBoingo;Or used them according to the manufacterer's instructions
1854582;1537913027;mircea_popescu;pretty common, really.
1854583;1537913112;BingoBoingo;But hamplanet judge wrote it off as "local standards" and who was I to take it to apellate court when Uruguay was calling
1854584;1537913292;BingoBoingo;Anyways, reading more on DINAMA and Aduanas. At this moment it seems registering as an importer of packaged products and coming up with a waste management plan might do the trick: En el alcance del decreto 260/007 se establece que toda empresa importadora o propietaria de marca que pone en el mercado productos envasados, deben encontrarse inscriptos en el registro que llevala DINAMA y contar o adherir a un plan de gestión de residuos
1854585;1537913292;BingoBoingo; de envases.
1854586;1537913570;BingoBoingo;And... they specify "artículos eléctricos y artículos electrónicos"; Looks like I am getting a new piece of paper to hang on the wall.
1854587;1537913606;mircea_popescu;"local standards" lmao. local physics, too, why not. "sir, do you know how fast you were going ?" "52mph" "nope, 7615!" "what ?! look my dear man, it says so right here" "ah, that may be how your car sees it... but here... WE HAVE LOCAL STANDARDS"
1854588;1537913648;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo no fucking way, that's if you sell coca cola.
1854589;1537913675;BingoBoingo;Or apparently if you sell USB drives in their shells
1854590;1537913706;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: tell'em all waste is to be mailed to gringolandia
1854591;1537913717;asciilifeform;( i'm not even opposed, there's a rubbish bin right at the post office )
1854592;1537913798;BingoBoingo;Reused as arts and crafts materials could work as well. These folks love their cardboard
1854593;1537913801;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo but you don't sell anything. you're going to eat them
1854594;1537914021;BingoBoingo;I eat them, customs folk can't imagine that, hippos dance, the lobos marinos sing, and at some point PizarroISP the musical will resound through the Gossipd equivalent of torrents
1854595;1537914123;asciilifeform;i'm still scratching head, re how the contents of all those derp racks got there. diplobags ?!
1854596;1537914139;asciilifeform;there were motherfucking pentium1's in there.
1854597;1537914143;BingoBoingo;Plenty more reading to do before the relevant targets get into their offices tomorrow
1854598;1537914153;asciilifeform;( as well as ciscolade and the usual crapola, by the megatonne )
1854599;1537914408;BingoBoingo;Diplobags isn't out of the question. This place is littered with embassies.
1854600;1537914508;BingoBoingo;Not much to do but meet them at their level, put the chains on, and drag them with their words
1854601;1537915279;BingoBoingo;Brb. pizza and reading and more reading
1854602;1537916053;*;mod6 just had a good chuckle at the 'danced the asked-for dance'
1854603;1537921121;mircea_popescu;in the end, useless hp box found new life as heroes 2 playstation.
1854604;1537921573;asciilifeform;plenty of use for box with no nic
1854605;1537921589;asciilifeform;i think i have nearly as many without, as with..
1854606;1537925821;Mocky;mircea_popescu, forming an LLC in Qatar requires a bank deposit of 200k QR (55k USD) which can be withdrawn after the company is formed >> http://www.mec.gov.qa/en/services/commerce-corner/Pages/How-to-establishment-a-new-Commercial-record-and-new-.aspx
1854607;1537941328;mircea_popescu;Mocky that's not terrible.
1854608;1537941350;mircea_popescu;can it then "sponsor" you & others ?
1854609;1537941582;mircea_popescu;how to establishment sounds pretty good on its own :D
1854610;1537946120;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/the-price-of-loyalty-revisited/ << Trilema - The Price of Loyalty, revisited
1854611;1537953764;deedbot;http://bimbo.club/?p=29 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 9/20/2018
1854612;1537972584;mod6;mornin'
1854613;1537972625;mod6;Email to btc-dev ML went through for the excise hash trunctation + manifest.txt: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-September/000311.html
1854614;1537972629;mod6;Thanks jurov!
1854615;1537972672;Mocky;good morning mod6
1854616;1537972808;Mocky;feeling any better from your car crash?
1854617;1537972923;mod6;morning Mocky!  Yeah, thanks for asking.  Still have some lower-back pain, but otherwise, feeling good.
1854618;1537972937;mod6;I figure the back pain will be better once the bruising is gone.
1854619;1537973298;Mocky;yeah, may take a while
1854620;1537973460;mod6;Lords and Ladies: Please let me know if you have any updates to the list of Advertised Republican Nodes.
1854621;1537975236;BingoBoingo;Mornin'
1854622;1537975286;*;BingoBoingo elbow deep in envirorast asshole
1854623;1537976082;mod6;mornin' BingoBoingo
1854624;1537976318;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-26#1854622 << elbow-deep in lxs ninxs anus now and again is a great contribution to republican value!
1854625;1537976318;a111;Logged on 2018-09-26 15:21 BingoBoingo elbow deep in envirorast asshole
1854626;1537976380;BingoBoingo; I figure if I can stuff a couple scuffed up dice in the appendix, it's all over for them in less than a month
1854627;1537976524;mircea_popescu;heh
1854628;1537976882;Mocky;mircea_popescu, this first step of Commercial Registration gives trade name, ability to open corp bank acct, accept customer payments, purchase company assets. In addition to small fees there's an annual fee of ~400 to 2000 USD per declared business activity, each activity has its own fee. This process appears to be quick and easy.
1854629;1537976934;mircea_popescu;aha. but can you sponsor foreignlings ? or absence from enum as meaningful as presence ?
1854630;1537977086;Mocky;next step would be a Trade License which requires lease of physical location and inspction of same. third step of filing with immigration service  requires both 1 and 2, and at that point only can hire employees and issue residence permits and sponsor foreigners
1854631;1537977254;BingoBoingo;Mocky next step would be a Trade License which requires lease of physical location and inspction of same. << What are the Coworks like over there?
1854632;1537977283;Mocky;step 2 seems paperwork heavy for both company and real estate leasers plus ~4 week wait on inspector
1854633;1537977367;Mocky;BingoBoingo, i see a handful, mainly in sky scrapers, 9 to 5ish hours. havent' found pricing yet
1854634;1537977370;mircea_popescu;in argentina the "inspection" consisted of girly from the local tax office following me to the place. i unlocked, she was like "ah, ok" i was like wut ? come inside, have a drink, walked all thios way.
1854635;1537977379;mircea_popescu;she was liek "no, really, all i must do is see you have the keys"
1854636;1537977418;BingoBoingo;No 24/7 places? Where are you supposed to take hostel chicks?
1854637;1537977424;asciilifeform;Mocky: what are prices like in arabistan, anyway... many 0s? few ?
1854638;1537977433;mircea_popescu;well he';s not there yet!
1854639;1537977438;mircea_popescu;or wait. you landed ?!
1854640;1537977448;Mocky;no not yet!
1854641;1537977462;*;mircea_popescu thought we're still 2weeks awya from the momentuous event
1854642;1537977468;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: recall, it's the place where 9 in 10 is a d00d, and the chix are in gynecaeum and dun see daylight. supposedly, at least.
1854643;1537977479;asciilifeform;ah
1854644;1537977526;mircea_popescu;http://www.tldp.org/LDP/Linux-Filesystem-Hierarchy/html/media.html << just reading this makes one fucking hate linux. wtf bs!
1854645;1537977531;Mocky;re inspection: i think they just want to see the place is real, has proper signage and has some necessary plackard posted on interior
1854646;1537977534;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: All the more important to have an action plan for what to do with the ones he does find
1854647;1537977562;mircea_popescu;Mocky in most of yurp a fine solution is to go into countryside, buy ye olde farmhouse, huge space no problems.
1854648;1537977574;mircea_popescu;not sure in qatar, but really this is the sorta thing gotta be evaluated on ground.
1854649;1537977584;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lol they renamed 'mnt' ?
1854650;1537977591;mircea_popescu;nono
1854651;1537977599;mircea_popescu;mnt is for "temporary". because i have permanent mounts!
1854652;1537977615;mircea_popescu;and /media is so that the whole /cdrom /cdrecorder /cdfutipemata don't overwhelm /
1854653;1537977632;asciilifeform;who the fuq has a permanently affixed cdrom nao
1854654;1537977653;mircea_popescu;(in practice - /media exists because i want to mount d /media/cdlabel rather than mount d /mnt/64randomchars)
1854655;1537977655;Mocky;the step one stuff is well documented, the steps 2 & 3 are not and my current info is gleaned from 5 diff reports by foreigners. situation on the gorund could be different
1854656;1537977667;mircea_popescu;but the FUCKING SOLUTION would have been to make mnt labels work properly.
1854657;1537977674;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i dun think i've ever mounted a disk by label
1854658;1537977679;mircea_popescu;why not ?
1854659;1537977691;asciilifeform;only ever mount /dev/sdx /mnt/blah ...
1854660;1537977706;asciilifeform;cuz how the fuck i know what is its label if i pulled it out of 20yo binder
1854661;1537977711;asciilifeform;or am i missing sumthing
1854662;1537977712;mircea_popescu;yes, but dosbox can't check the mount point
1854663;1537977721;mircea_popescu;so mount d "/media/Heroes II" works well
1854664;1537977743;mircea_popescu;whereas mount d /mnt/fg4jk43h5kj43hjkfjkerwhfkjrehkjerw takes a while
1854665;1537977744;asciilifeform;hm, dun recall ever trying dosbox on physical disks
1854666;1537977748;mircea_popescu;yeswell!
1854667;1537977783;mircea_popescu;it's not particularly useful, "mp just make an iso". but it is a great thing when what you're doing is sitting there going, "look, this, this is then."
1854668;1537977809;mircea_popescu;i suppose similar to why parade officer uniform still has hat.
1854669;1537977822;asciilifeform;i'd make iso. cuz of all the things i miss about physical dos boxen, sitting for 25min and listening to bzz-whzzik aint one of'em
1854670;1537977835;mircea_popescu;BUT IT WAS THE EXPERIENCE
1854671;1537977844;asciilifeform;lol
1854672;1537977850;mircea_popescu;besides, drive just read once, kept the 50mb or so in memory by all appearances.
1854673;1537977858;asciilifeform;lemme know when it is time to ship to mircea_popescu the trinitron.
1854674;1537977861;asciilifeform;( i've got a few )
1854675;1537977886;mircea_popescu;noty, the (very nice, btw!) screen on the hp envy was part of ~the other part~ of the experience.
1854676;1537977915;Mocky;asciilifeform, reports are that cost of living there is in same ballpark as US UK, with the exception that housing prices continue drop as gulf states embargo continues
1854677;1537977916;asciilifeform;does it evenly cut pixelwise into vga ?
1854678;1537977922;mircea_popescu;incidentally, do you recall right off how to force dosbox into fullscreen-scaled-up rather than alt enter full screen "here's some black margin" ?
1854679;1537977926;asciilifeform;Mocky: sounds promising
1854680;1537977934;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: alt-enter iirc
1854681;1537977938;mircea_popescu;no, se...
1854682;1537977952;mircea_popescu;you end up with a postcard. i want it full screen for reals.
1854683;1537978008;asciilifeform;there's a fancy-scaling thing, iirc -scaler sumthing , https://www.dosbox.com/wiki/Scaler seems to have the goods
1854684;1537978036;mircea_popescu;a ty
1854685;1537978131;mircea_popescu;2xsai ftw
1854686;1537978154;asciilifeform;if only somebody still made lappies in godly 4:3 display
1854687;1537978159;mircea_popescu;ikr.
1854688;1537978172;mircea_popescu;"oh noes, customers have come to expect bartv!"
1854689;1537978214;asciilifeform;wat's in that hp, anyway ? led panel ?
1854690;1537978421;asciilifeform;( and lol was it that one where you gotta set lamp brightness while it boots )
1854691;1537978460;mircea_popescu;nah, different.
1854692;1537978477;asciilifeform;aa
1854693;1537978512;asciilifeform;a ha that was 'hp envoy' not 'envy', wasntit.
1854694;1537978518;asciilifeform;( such 'imaginative' model names... )
1854695;1537978652;mircea_popescu;no, that was ugh. hang on, i can only look one at a time
1854696;1537978746;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform 44cm "infinity", led thing
1854697;1537978970;mircea_popescu;aaaand nope, scaler dun do anything ;/ still postcard
1854698;1537979442;mircea_popescu;ok, figured it out. /me shall add to the article.
1854699;1537983317;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in "black chix grauduate", https://image.ibb.co/fboGsU/grauduation.png
1854700;1537983377;asciilifeform;holyfuqwat
1854701;1537983384;mircea_popescu;i expect ged.
1854702;1537983431;asciilifeform;or! phd! in studies-studies...
1854703;1537983449;mircea_popescu;~same differenece.
1854704;1537983454;asciilifeform;and is that a mermaid tattoo
1854705;1537983484;mircea_popescu;i think mermaid is classist and opressive of people of submissive sexual orientation.
1854706;1537983490;mircea_popescu;the politically correct term is merwhale.
1854707;1537983583;asciilifeform;reminds me of a 1890s brit caricature i once saw, where 'esteemed gentleman's beagle has died, and he took it to 2 taxidermists...', one cheapskate, who offered him just skeleton with sock on it, other who used air pump, offered doglike baloon, with the phrase 'human strength can stuff it no further!' caption
1854708;1537983613;mircea_popescu;this sounds like america.
1854709;1537983621;asciilifeform;it's exactly
1854710;1537983654;asciilifeform;the twist, is that ~can~ stuff it further, i've seen with own eyes even fatter specimens
1854711;1537983657;asciilifeform;that one at least stands on legs
1854712;1537983666;mircea_popescu;teenager yet.
1854713;1537983670;asciilifeform;quite a few cannot. BingoBoingo has the full detail...
1854714;1537983677;mircea_popescu;but yes, good african stock will manage perfect sphere.
1854715;1537983685;asciilifeform;i have personally seen this.
1854716;1537983699;asciilifeform;and wondered why they even keep their legs, could snip'em off, improve circulation...
1854717;1537983731;mircea_popescu;possibly because medicare dun cover it.
1854718;1537983744;asciilifeform;i expect obummer II will fix this.
1854719;1537983759;mircea_popescu;i... don't.
1854720;1537983767;asciilifeform;eh amputations cheap.
1854721;1537983820;mircea_popescu;not if you want to improve circulationm lol, gotta plug the vessels.
1854722;1537983832;asciilifeform;hot iron
1854723;1537983845;mircea_popescu;lol. aaanyways.
1854724;1537983867;*;asciilifeform is lowtech fella with lowtech ideas...
1854725;1537985572;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> not if you want to improve circulationm lol, gotta plug the vessels. << Pressure sensitive check valve which leaks if they roll into unapproved positions.
1854726;1537986370;asciilifeform;ohai BingoBoingo
1854727;1537986377;asciilifeform;how's orc paper hell
1854728;1537986484;BingoBoingo;Orc paper hell is orc paper hell, but once this bitch gets digested it seems like it will open up slow boating piles of shit in from China when Pizarro grows to the point we can use that.
1854729;1537987146;deedbot;http://bimbo.club/?p=30 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 9/21/2018
1854730;1537987146;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/09/anti-trump-wop-trolled-into-championing-fake-accuser-troll-job-then-exposed/ << Qntra - Anti-Trump Wop Trolled Into Championing Fake Accuser, Troll Job Then Exposed
1854731;1537987504;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: lemme know asap when you learn whether the disk crate went irretrievably into /dev/null or not
1854732;1537987518;asciilifeform;because gotta get spare disks to rk plant soon.
1854733;1537987521;asciilifeform;one way or other.
1854734;1537987602;diana_coman;asciilifeform, udp tester seems to be nicely running uk->uy and uy->uk so my next step on this will be to publish all the relevant code; since this is effectively on top of udplib, I'd patch it on your tree; mind moving it though to keccak?
1854735;1537987651;asciilifeform;diana_coman: what's the fastest way to do this ? ( i.e. do you recall whether phf published his converter ? or do i gotta crank it manually )
1854736;1537987676;diana_coman;I'm also not sure re naming convention for patches as I thought it was to use "_" ? i.e. why is the errata named udp_errata.asciilifeform?
1854737;1537987710;diana_coman;asciilifeform, I'm not aware of a converter but pinging phf to correct me if I'm wrong
1854738;1537987737;asciilifeform;and incidentally i flatly refuse to have keccak patches on my box that are not outwardly distinguishable from old v. i'ma either use .v extension, or if mircea_popescu entirely hates, i'ma stuff e.g. asciilifeform_keccak in the names ( names currently not constrained by anybody )
1854739;1537987753;asciilifeform;i'ma wait an' see what mircea_popescu says re subj
1854740;1537987776;asciilifeform;i.e. a proper close of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-19#1851882 thrd
1854741;1537987776;a111;Logged on 2018-09-19 17:48 mircea_popescu: because it fragments the sensata-perceptible identity of the v.
1854742;1537987802;diana_coman;out of curiosity: why "asciilifeform_keccak" rather than "keccak"?
1854743;1537987808;diana_coman;or whatever, "keccakhash"
1854744;1537987814;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform delete sha patches then.
1854745;1537987821;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: trb is 100% sha currently
1854746;1537987824;asciilifeform;as is 9000 other items
1854747;1537987840;mircea_popescu;hey, i didn't tyell you to take the insane stance ; merely the necessary result thereof.
1854748;1537987874;asciilifeform;i ain't about to keep arj files on my box that are actually zip eithe
1854749;1537987875;asciilifeform;r
1854750;1537987885;asciilifeform;~this~ -- insanity.
1854751;1537987936;mircea_popescu;so delete them, then.
1854752;1537987964;mircea_popescu;for all i know .zip is "this truly ancient and obscure format for publishing toothpicks". da fuck i care.
1854753;1537987981;mircea_popescu;im not about to call zips .zip-not-toothpicks instead.
1854754;1537988031;asciilifeform;so i take it it's going in the names.
1854755;1537988055;mircea_popescu;if you must. it'll look retarded, esp after a time passes, but nothing regrinds won't fix anyway.
1854756;1537988065;asciilifeform;you dun need regrind to rename files
1854757;1537988070;asciilifeform;gpg doesn't sign names.
1854758;1537988078;asciilifeform;(patch files, that is )
1854759;1537988089;mircea_popescu;not "to rename files". as time passes, regrinds happen ; nonsensical nym-bs won't carry.
1854760;1537988092;asciilifeform;theoretically mircea_popescu and errybody can rename patches to be anyffing at all
1854761;1537988105;asciilifeform;( so long as also rename the seal )
1854762;1537988116;asciilifeform;at least in the old vtrons ( i have not yet read the new one fully )
1854763;1537988133;asciilifeform;the only hard req was that seal name match the sealed payload
1854764;1537988160;mircea_popescu;the things that end up discussed as a result of "wouldja publish proper tree so others can patch on it already"
1854765;1537988212;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i'ma bake a new-style set and post closer to nightfall, currently boiling in cauldron of liquishit
1854766;1537988381;diana_coman;asciilifeform, works; publishing code is anyway good excuse for another review, so it'll take me some time too anyway
1854767;1537988409;asciilifeform;diana_coman: if you'd rather proceed immediately, and generate a newstyle tree, i'ma read it and sign also.
1854768;1537988440;asciilifeform;it is such a small proggy, that this is not mega-pain
1854769;1537988492;asciilifeform;( maybe the smallest item i've genesis'd to date )
1854770;1537988533;diana_coman;as said above: it can certainly wait 24 hours and preserve history, what; and anyway, the tester part I see more as a branch only, because of the modifications required for testing purpose only (e.g. making the udp generic)
1854771;1537988547;asciilifeform;ok
1854772;1537990646;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: lemme know asap when you learn whether the disk crate went irretrievably into /dev/null or not << At this point I am waiting for confirmation on my theory of the problem. I have identified the proper trámite and paper work it requires. If I am right in this theory other than my time, this will require a cross town bus ride to inconveniently located office to show papers and sign other papers swearing
1854773;1537990646;BingoBoingo; things. For its part however DINAMA will not be collecting a fee for its part in registering the business of me as an importer exempt from producing a waste management plan.
1854774;1537990743;BingoBoingo;In this case the only motherfucking wop bastard seeing pesos in the execution of the rescue is the bus driver.
1854775;1537991056;BingoBoingo;And irony of ironies, confirmation just arrived.
1854776;1537991294;BingoBoingo;Tonight I am checking and printing paperwork, tomorrow catching a bus and registering as an importer
1854777;1537991328;mod6;nice
1854778;1537991338;mod6;thanks BingoBoingo
1854779;1537991410;BingoBoingo;Still going to look for a copy of Dr. Tristan Narvaja's Código Civil de la República Oriental del Uruguay at the feria named for the fellow
1854780;1537992170;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: ty for the update
1854781;1537992261;asciilifeform;diana_coman, mod6 , phf , et al : is the 'canonical' (i.e. most recent usable) oldv-tree of newstyle-v the one on phf's www ?
1854782;1537992330;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: You are very welcome. After the fucking two imports bullshit and first DHL flunky insisting on just getting a refund from Amazon, /dev/null is not an option
1854783;1537992438;diana_coman;asciilifeform, hm? I can't quite parse that q; if it helps: I'm using phf's vtools, yes
1854784;1537992463;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i.e. http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vtools-keccak-regrind/ ?
1854785;1537992508;diana_coman;asciilifeform, yes, that one
1854786;1537992517;asciilifeform;diana_coman: ty, was all i needed
1854787;1537992522;diana_coman;yw
1854788;1537992614;phf;asciilifeform: fyi if you're using your own v, you would want to remove vtools_vdiff_sha, vdiff_sha_fixes_newline_gcc and vdiff_sha_static patches from patchset, because your v will get confused
1854789;1537992661;asciilifeform;phf: noted, ty
1854790;1537992722;phf;i just got aarch gnat operational yesterday, so i'll republish it as a single tree anyway, but as of right now i think only esthlos's v does the fancy graph resolution
1854791;1537993539;mod6;<+diana_coman> asciilifeform, hm? I can't quite parse that q; if it helps: I'm using phf's vtools, yes << I'm a bit confused too.  I'm still using my vtron.
1854792;1537993607;mod6;mine does not do the graph-resolution as proposed by phf & esthlos.
1854793;1537994210;asciilifeform;mod6: i've been using my orig vtron all this time. but recently diana_coman & mircea_popescu prodded, 'what's yer excuse for not moved to modern keccak-v' and i had no good counter, it's really time, so nao gotta actually uncrate phf's and make it go
1854794;1537994275;asciilifeform;really the barbaric sha2 has lived out its life
1854795;1537994298;asciilifeform;( for that matter , i could use standalone keccaktron also, but dun recall whether we have one or it needs baking )
1854796;1537998040;phf;asciilifeform: i have one, i use it for testing, but it's not particularly kosher, e.g. it uses Argument/Argument_Count etc. i'll post it in a bit, maybe you can rework it on your bench
1854797;1537998092;phf;theoretically one could just wire it into existing infra instead of sha512sum, get all the keccaking for free
1854798;1537998445;asciilifeform;phf: i'm not especially attached to my ancient v, it suffered from several obvious sharp edges
1854799;1537998460;asciilifeform;would rather switch wholesale to phf's, since it apparently performs to satisfaction of diana_coman
1854800;1537998770;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-26#1854782 << i like his spirit lol
1854801;1537998770;a111;Logged on 2018-09-26 20:05 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You are very welcome. After the fucking two imports bullshit and first DHL flunky insisting on just getting a refund from Amazon, /dev/null is not an option
1854802;1537998811;asciilifeform;i'ma be quite impressed if he wrestles that crate from orchell
1854803;1537998852;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-26#1854794 << this frog has been boiling for a while, hanbot had to redo genesis in like mayu
1854804;1537998852;a111;Logged on 2018-09-26 20:37 asciilifeform: really the barbaric sha2 has lived out its life
1854805;1537998980;hanbot;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-26#1854738 << why not put it in manifest?
1854806;1537998980;a111;Logged on 2018-09-26 18:48 asciilifeform: and incidentally i flatly refuse to have keccak patches on my box that are not outwardly distinguishable from old v. i'ma either use .v extension, or if mircea_popescu entirely hates, i'ma stuff e.g. asciilifeform_keccak in the names ( names currently not constrained by anybody )
1854807;1537999027;asciilifeform;hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-19#1851865 << thread
1854808;1537999027;a111;Logged on 2018-09-19 17:44 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: right now asciilifeform , diana_coman , errybody, has buncha vdiff laying around, not only on www but on own disks, and serious problem if gotta stab at it by hand erry time to see which it is.
1854809;1537999059;asciilifeform;tho possibly this was resolved, iirc phf's tool is able to eat old patches (with warning bell)
1854810;1537999061;asciilifeform;will see tonight
1854811;1537999063;mircea_popescu;and you can't put "this is keccak" in manifest because it has to get into the manifest through being in the filename, rather than just in the comment line ?
1854812;1537999085;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: possibly (see above) this is imagined headache, i'ma see
1854813;1537999105;asciilifeform;ideally i simply switch vtron to phf's and it's omnivorous.
1854814;1537999112;hanbot;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-26#1854699 << my favorite part of that cakewrecks site was all the "happy garaudashun!" cakes.
1854815;1537999112;a111;Logged on 2018-09-26 17:35 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in "black chix grauduate", https://image.ibb.co/fboGsU/grauduation.png
1854816;1537999133;mircea_popescu;heh
1854817;1537999135;hanbot;they'd put all this effort into elaborate cakes, fancy roses etc, but spelling is difficult, and looking shit up is too much effort.
1854818;1537999151;hanbot;i guess words are hard; buttercream is tasty.
1854819;1537999225;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: prolly like most folx who actually work on proggies, asciilifeform has '9000' vtrees on various disk, on various boxen, that are in classical format, and many not even intended for publication, the ones that see daylight naturally will become newtype
1854820;1537999302;asciilifeform;unlike some folx (as late as '16 some confessed to git ) asciilifeform does not use heathen versiontrons internally, strictly 100% v from aug '15
1854821;1537999320;hanbot;asciilifeform perhaps this is an idiotic q, but why can't you use dir names/structures to distinguish "on sight"?
1854822;1537999332;asciilifeform;hanbot: cuz 9000 existing trees.
1854823;1537999341;mircea_popescu;thinking about this... i guess this, THIS is actually the very substantial difference. "words shouldn't be able to break my bones", ie, have any effect AT ALL. "here i am, and here's the ass, and the hole in it ; it works as it works and what do you mean contracts ?" readily unites http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-23#1853128 with http://trilema.com/2014/the-definitive-tract-on-sociopathy/#selection-153.473-153.587 "abstract pri
1854824;1537999341;a111;Logged on 2018-09-23 18:30 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in trilema spelunkology, anyone recall http://trilema.com/2013/ive-found-her/ ?
1854825;1537999341;mircea_popescu;nciples (ie, words) over people themselves!!" as well as http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/ etc.
1854826;1537999353;asciilifeform;hanbot: and i haven't got a stable of slaves to sit down and convert'em
1854827;1537999359;mircea_popescu;the implication is simply -- "i do not need words for anything and why should you".
1854828;1537999398;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is not a crime, you just have very bizarre approaches to interfacing, is all.
1854829;1537999452;hanbot;mircea_popescu quite. you oughta simply infer the meaning from its context! gargauntuation day!
1854830;1537999460;mircea_popescu;hahaha
1854831;1537999481;mircea_popescu;or rather, "she has rights", which means, no matter what the words say, if she dun like it the morning after "she was raped" and incamom will make it right
1854832;1537999487;asciilifeform;'what do you mean, contracts' << recall hanbot's tale !
1854833;1537999527;mircea_popescu;amusingly, i am working on piece re the necessary benefits of uniting with africa. guy in 1850s intuited quite exacrtly this, "well... animals don't need most of what interests you for anything"
1854834;1537999530;asciilifeform;( iirc hanbot's Dark Fyootoor Where Only War (tm) had planetary divide b/w 2 factions, 1 who believed in contract and other - not )
1854835;1537999858;hanbot;pretty much. i can see contracts mapping to rights as mouthed by they with no conception of what rights mean neatly.
1854836;1537999871;mircea_popescu;but how far this goes is breathtaking -- consider, luminaries such as tlp, at the edges arguing exactly that, "words shouldn't have power" ie http://trilema.com/2015/that-unpleasant-moment-when-principles-you-were-supporting-strictly-because-of-the-principle-of-the-thing-and-pointedly-not-because-of-the-convenient-manner-in-which-they-worked-upon-a-restr/#selection-89.0-89.50
1854837;1537999907;asciilifeform;oh hey dairy farm
1854838;1537999928;mircea_popescu;the more i think of it, the more i believe this to be the correct formulation. it's not merely, or specifically "me -- hither ; herd -- thither". it is quite specifically, and all-importantly : do words rule your worlds ? or do you expect "your world" to overpower my words ?
1854839;1538000133;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: recall also 'the progre could not master speech'
1854840;1538000163;mircea_popescu;THAT is the underlying, "Particularly "criminal" - using a computer in the manner it itself allows to be used." in http://trilema.com/2015/a-new-software-licensing-paradigm/#footnote_2_59725 ; that's WHAT "color of bits" is all about.
1854841;1538000165;asciilifeform;!#s progre
1854842;1538000166;a111;37 results for "progre", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=progre
1854843;1538000231;mircea_popescu;the entire echafaudage of pantsuit is, in last examination, not so much an attempt to protect "the indolent from the active", nor (as separately seen), a guarantee to impotence for "ecology". but rather, jointly and singularly, pantsuitism is an attempt to protect the world from words.
1854844;1538000318;mircea_popescu;from end to end, this, the same stable this. from "i can not read this book, the words contradict" "psychopath!" to all the way, it's all the same fucking problem : programmable machine or boulder ?
1854845;1538000359;mircea_popescu;hanbot quite the fucking "inconsequential side comment" you got there!
1854846;1538000373;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: all pantsuit 'philosophy' in the end resolves to 'you say you have brain, but we have BIGGER BOULDER haha'
1854847;1538000453;asciilifeform;the 1 thing they've got, is an inexhaustible supply of idjits slinging boulders.
1854848;1538000470;mircea_popescu;as the garudushu.jpg clearly proves.
1854849;1538000470;mircea_popescu;i never saw brain that size before!
1854850;1538000470;mircea_popescu;so does the kuiper belt.
1854851;1538000499;mircea_popescu; gargauntuation day! << can't read that as simply "gargantuan" without "unction" squeezing its way in there. ewgh.
1854852;1538000619;hanbot;perhaps the bs was in crisco networking?
1854853;1538000629;asciilifeform;ahahahaha
1854854;1538000644;asciilifeform;btw hanbot didja know there is a 'sysco'
1854855;1538000649;mircea_popescu;jesus
1854856;1538000657;asciilifeform;and makes exactly this
1854857;1538000675;hanbot;asciilifeform the phud service item? i've seen the trucks, at least
1854858;1538000688;asciilifeform;aha, them. they supply the pig slop served in ameri-'food'
1854859;1538000700;asciilifeform;i could've sworn there was a mircea_popescu piece re subj
1854860;1538000752;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform after the girls saw http://trilema.com/2015/laile-ou-la-cuisse/ they identified sysco as the tricatel item, it's a constant butt of jokes.
1854861;1538000775;asciilifeform;yea i'd expect it'd be a subchapter of some foreign thing
1854862;1538000785;asciilifeform;pretty much 100% of profit centres in gringolandia, at this point, are
1854863;1538006410;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/occasional-didscourse-on-the-negro-question-1849/ << Trilema - Occasional Didscourse On The Negro Question, 1849
1854864;1538006445;mircea_popescu;aaahjahahaha.
1854865;1538006452;mircea_popescu;after all the grauduation stuff, DIDSCOURSE!
1854866;1538006504;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/occasional-discourse-on-the-negro-question-1849/ << Trilema - Occasional Discourse On The Negro Question, 1849
1854867;1538006650;hanbot;didscourse and didn'tscourse!
1854868;1538010087;mod6;lol xxiii
1854869;1538010154;mircea_popescu;:D
1854870;1538011401;asciilifeform;!Q later tell phf are http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vtools-keccak-regrind/ old-style or new-style vpatches ?? my vtron won't press'em, and there is no way to distinguish , nor anything in the post to indicate, unless i'm thick
1854871;1538011401;lobbesbot;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1854872;1538011628;asciilifeform;!Q later tell phf nm, distinguished by hand... but my vtron doesn't verify the sigs (not immediately sure why) and mod6's -- sees only Leaf: vtools_vpatch_newline.vpatch (phf)
1854873;1538011629;lobbesbot;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1854874;1538011638;asciilifeform;and yes i separated out the sha patches.
1854875;1538011690;asciilifeform;diana_coman, mircea_popescu , et al -- plox to reveal what you pressed this tree with , thx
1854876;1538011752;asciilifeform;i'd like to press this thing and put it in service already...
1854877;1538011909;asciilifeform;ftr i tried mod6's 'Version: 99994 K', and my old workhorse v100.
1854878;1538011954;mod6;99993 is latest
1854879;1538011974;asciilifeform;mod6: thing says '99994 K' in there.
1854880;1538012004;mod6;http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20180222.tar.gz << >> http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20180222.tar.gz.mod6.sig
1854881;1538012040;mod6;anyway, it's been a while, so I don't know for sure, but if memory serves, I believe his vtree is incompatible with my vtron, on the whole.
1854882;1538012061;asciilifeform;http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/v_noworky.tar.gz << the complete tarball with both variants, patches, seals, .wot, my attempt thus far.
1854883;1538012065;mod6;one has to, again, if i remember correctly, remove some of the vpatches from the "right" side.  or something to that effect, to press successfull.y
1854884;1538012070;asciilifeform;mod6: whose ~is~ it compat with ?!
1854885;1538012081;asciilifeform;yes i read the note, to remove the sha branch. did it.
1854886;1538012084;asciilifeform;still nodice.
1854887;1538012112;mod6;im not positive, although, I think another troublesome one was hanbot's wp-mp, which BingoBoingo used esthlos' to press.  i think.
1854888;1538012119;mod6;BingoBoingo: is this right ^?
1854889;1538012175;asciilifeform;maybe i'm thick, and didn't shuffle correctly, or wat. phf can i persuade you to give a working recipe ??
1854890;1538012178;mod6;asciilifeform: yeah, i dunno, it's been a while.  i don't have time to tinker with it at the moment, gearing up for month end here.
1854891;1538012219;asciilifeform;mod6: i sat down and resolved to give diana_coman the promised item, but presently loox like won't happen tonight
1854892;1538012231;asciilifeform;unless i made an elementary mistake and somebody tells me what it was
1854893;1538012278;mod6;Ok.  What are we trying to do here?  Just build vtools?
1854894;1538012284;asciilifeform;aha!
1854895;1538012288;asciilifeform;that very same.
1854896;1538012289;mod6;lemme see
1854897;1538012465;BingoBoingo;mod6: iirc, buried in open tabs and notes on the import matter
1854898;1538012514;mod6;Oh yeah, did we ever post that somewhere?
1854899;1538012577;asciilifeform;this thing is supposedly battlefield-ready, but presently loox to me like a ball of yarn for which no working build instruction is posted anywhere
1854900;1538012726;mod6;so... is the goal here to build the sha256 stuff, or the keccak stuff?
1854901;1538012731;asciilifeform;keccak!!
1854902;1538012751;asciilifeform;y'know, thread, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-26#1854734
1854903;1538012751;a111;Logged on 2018-09-26 18:46 diana_coman: asciilifeform, udp tester seems to be nicely running uk->uy and uy->uk so my next step on this will be to publish all the relevant code; since this is effectively on top of udplib, I'd patch it on your tree; mind moving it though to keccak?
1854904;1538012756;mod6;aha, ok.  in the past, i've alwasys built the sha256 stuff for my own purposes.  let's see if i can get the keccak stuff build.
1854905;1538012770;mod6;(I was just double checking here as to not waste time.)
1854906;1538012792;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu & diana_coman specifically asked asciilifeform to rebake udp proggy in keccak.
1854907;1538012802;asciilifeform;for this, need keccak vtron. presently i dun have one.
1854908;1538013076;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: if i'm not mistaken, you built and used this thing? with what didja do it ?
1854909;1538013182;asciilifeform;loox like the matter may have to wait until the folx with working keccaktrons wake up and tell me what i'm missing.
1854910;1538013262;*;asciilifeform bbl,meat
1854911;1538013295;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I used the esthlos thing.
1854912;1538013782;trinque;does it now properly verify hashes?
1854913;1538013991;mod6;asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/EItV0/?raw=true
1854914;1538014028;mod6;I took your tarball, dumped in the latest version of my vtron, dropped in the .wot (phf) and seals from what I had in my sandbox previously.
1854915;1538014038;mod6;I used your patches, there are 8 of them, and I was able to press this fine.
1854916;1538014089;mod6;but I only ended up with a 'vdiff' binary (maybe this is correct?)
1854917;1538014112;mod6;the full vtree (with sha vpatches) totals 11.  so ya, you must have removed them.
1854918;1538014244;mod6;Alright, I guess the makefile doesn't build the vpatch binary by default, so I built it manually:
1854919;1538014247;mod6;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ks4z7/?raw=true
1854920;1538014260;mod6;lol, I don't know how to make it do stuff either, but I guess that's a different problem :]
1854921;1538015250;esthlos;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1854912 << I plan to integrate Keccak into the thing this weekend. At that point it should be fully operational.
1854922;1538015250;a111;Logged on 2018-09-27 02:03 trinque: does it now properly verify hashes?
1854923;1538015261;trinque;fucking awesome.
1854924;1538015301;trinque;obviously I want such a vtron for the cuntoo final cut, or what's the use of the build process producing a vpatch
1854925;1538018546;BingoBoingo;<trinque> does it now properly verify hashes? << I am still at the point where I hand read input, patch, and output
1854926;1538040665;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1854882 -> got your .tar.gz but I could not find in it the .wot and .seals? at any rate, if I copied over the .wot and .seals dirs, it pressed perfectly fine with v here (9999 K version); ftr I ran also precisely the v.pl you have in there and it also worked!
1854927;1538040665;a111;Logged on 2018-09-27 01:34 asciilifeform: http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/v_noworky.tar.gz << the complete tarball with both variants, patches, seals, .wot, my attempt thus far.
1854928;1538040762;diana_coman;re using vtools, I currently first check sig (so by hand, separate 1-line) and if ok, then feed patch to vtools
1854929;1538040807;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1854921 -> oh hey, looking forward to it!
1854930;1538040807;a111;Logged on 2018-09-27 02:27 esthlos: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1854912 << I plan to integrate Keccak into the thing this weekend. At that point it should be fully operational.
1854931;1538040864;diana_coman;http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vtools-keccak-regrind/ -> gotta ask here, phf, am I missing something or what Wednesday was that there in the first line meant to be?
1854932;1538041042;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1854924 << quite.
1854933;1538041042;a111;Logged on 2018-09-27 02:28 trinque: obviously I want such a vtron for the cuntoo final cut, or what's the use of the build process producing a vpatch
1854934;1538041243;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform phf's thing presses fine, since at least june ( http://thewhet.net/2018/06/mp-wp-genesis-regrind/ )
1854935;1538041319;mircea_popescu;did you follow diana_coman 's http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vtools-keccak-regrind/#comment-27 ?
1854936;1538043138;diana_coman;adding to the above: old v can still be used to check the sigs, to avoid manual check; so use old v to check the sigs and once satisfied, just feed patches to vpatch
1854937;1538052479;diana_coman;since I need to get the work done on this, I reground the UDP lib and I'll proceed from there; asciilifeform, phf and anyone else interested, keccak-patches are on my Code Shelf as usual: http://ossasepia.com/reference-code-shelf/#selection-477.0-477.19
1854938;1538052584;diana_coman;I'll add the patches for the tester on top of the above, later today
1854939;1538054735;*;asciilifeform eats log
1854940;1538054794;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1854880 , http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1854913 << interestingly, this worked, mod6 ! wtf is 99994 K one ? where did i even get it ? ( i take it , was buggy release ? )
1854941;1538054794;a111;Logged on 2018-09-27 01:33 mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20180222.tar.gz << >> http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20180222.tar.gz.mod6.sig
1854942;1538054794;a111;Logged on 2018-09-27 02:06 mod6: asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/EItV0/?raw=true
1854943;1538054852;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1854926 << confirmed ( and somehow nobody last night noticed ? ) apparently tar by default refuses to tar up 'hidden' ( i.e. starts with . ) dirs !
1854944;1538054852;a111;Logged on 2018-09-27 09:31 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1854882 -> got your .tar.gz but I could not find in it the .wot and .seals? at any rate, if I copied over the .wot and .seals dirs, it pressed perfectly fine with v here (9999 K version); ftr I ran also precisely the v.pl you have in there and it also worked!
1854945;1538055022;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1854926 << ~this~ is pretty strange; diana_coman wouldja mind sharing your working set there ?
1854946;1538055022;a111;Logged on 2018-09-27 09:31 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1854882 -> got your .tar.gz but I could not find in it the .wot and .seals? at any rate, if I copied over the .wot and .seals dirs, it pressed perfectly fine with v here (9999 K version); ftr I ran also precisely the v.pl you have in there and it also worked!
1854947;1538055050;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1854935 << i did, phf reminded earlier
1854948;1538055050;a111;Logged on 2018-09-27 09:41 mircea_popescu: did you follow diana_coman 's http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vtools-keccak-regrind/#comment-27 ?
1854949;1538055156;asciilifeform;aaaand built
1854950;1538055221;asciilifeform;and apparently this is not a full vtron, but only replaces 'diff' and 'patch' ....
1854951;1538055242;asciilifeform;diana_coman: do you normally use this with a hand-patched mod6 vtron ? or how ?
1854952;1538055327;asciilifeform;call me an idjit, but i thought there were a new vtron...
1854953;1538055421;asciilifeform;aaand it loox like diana_coman already did my chore for me... i'ma do the elementary test on it nao, and sign/mirror.
1854954;1538055422;asciilifeform;ty diana_coman .
1854955;1538055602;asciilifeform;and loox like diana_coman even added comments.
1854956;1538056202;diana_coman;asciilifeform, np; re vtron yes, currently it is only vdiff and vpatch functionality; I use old v to see the flow (since it checks the seals but doesn't care about the hashes until press time) and then the vpatch to actually press; looking forward to esthlos' vtron
1854957;1538056307;diana_coman;I added the manifest + comments in it; otherwise *all* code is precisely what I got from pressing your patches
1854958;1538056313;asciilifeform;confirmed
1854959;1538056732;asciilifeform;about to post
1854960;1538057154;asciilifeform;diana_coman: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2557 updated, with mirror and seals (yours, mine)
1854961;1538057278;diana_coman;asciilifeform, ok, I'll mirror your sigs too and link to the page anyway; a bit later today
1854962;1538057292;asciilifeform;danke schon, diana_coman . feel free to rename the filez.
1854963;1538057328;diana_coman;I'll have to, since the sigs need to fit the .vpatch file name, yes
1854964;1538057335;asciilifeform;aha
1854965;1538057352;diana_coman;fwiw I *did* specifically state in the manifest that it's using Keccak hashes
1854966;1538057377;asciilifeform;right
1854967;1538057393;*;asciilifeform read whole thing
1854968;1538057455;asciilifeform;diana_coman: is there a version of mod6's vtron that uses the new vdiff / vpatch ? or what do you use in erryday work ?
1854969;1538057506;diana_coman;asciilifeform, not that I know of; I use: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1854956
1854970;1538057506;a111;Logged on 2018-09-27 13:50 diana_coman: asciilifeform, np; re vtron yes, currently it is only vdiff and vpatch functionality; I use old v to see the flow (since it checks the seals but doesn't care about the hashes until press time) and then the vpatch to actually press; looking forward to esthlos' vtron
1854971;1538057524;asciilifeform;ugh suspected
1854972;1538057541;asciilifeform;so as i understand nobody has a 100% complete newtype vtron quite yet
1854973;1538057574;asciilifeform;this is what i thought, and why i did not hurry to start the regrindings earlier
1854974;1538057617;asciilifeform;i'ma try esthlos's item as soon as it is rolled out.
1854975;1538057667;diana_coman;I kept waiting on phf and esthlos since they were working on it as far as I could tell; and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1854921
1854976;1538057667;a111;Logged on 2018-09-27 02:27 esthlos: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1854912 << I plan to integrate Keccak into the thing this weekend. At that point it should be fully operational.
1854977;1538057732;asciilifeform;got it
1854978;1538058015;asciilifeform;if phf's item came with a standalone keccak hasher , would then be quite simple to retool e.g. mod6's vtron, to follow the new format. but as it is loox like i'ma have to wait for esthlos , to get full working replacement for old vtrons
1854979;1538058597;asciilifeform;( given http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-26#1854819 + http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-26#1854820 , i'd really like to have a 100% working item prior to entirely retiring the old )
1854980;1538058597;a111;Logged on 2018-09-26 22:00 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: prolly like most folx who actually work on proggies, asciilifeform has '9000' vtrees on various disk, on various boxen, that are in classical format, and many not even intended for publication, the ones that see daylight naturally will become newtype
1854981;1538058597;a111;Logged on 2018-09-26 22:01 asciilifeform: unlike some folx (as late as '16 some confessed to git ) asciilifeform does not use heathen versiontrons internally, strictly 100% v from aug '15
1854982;1538058725;*;asciilifeform bbl : teatime.
1854983;1538059135;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1854940 << The changes and reasons for, are discribed here: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-February/000290.html
1854984;1538059135;a111;Logged on 2018-09-27 13:26 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1854880 , http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1854913 << interestingly, this worked, mod6 ! wtf is 99994 K one ? where did i even get it ? ( i take it , was buggy release ? )
1854985;1538061119;asciilifeform;mod6: that there's '99993 K' . but what was '99994 K' ??
1854986;1538061137;asciilifeform;mod6: the latter was the one i turned out to have on my box last night
1854987;1538061160;asciilifeform;oh ha i see what i did.
1854988;1538061165;asciilifeform;( fughot that they decrement ! )
1854989;1538061181;asciilifeform;mod6: puzzler -- solved, asciilifeform -- thick.
1854990;1538062410;phf;asciilifeform: this has been extensively discussed in the logs. there was never a need for "new style v". v works just fine. one of the design goals of vtools was to nail down (and improve upon) the patch format. vtools are explicitly designed to be used with an existing v (for example i use it with v.py). vdiff produces wellformed vpatches and vpatch presses them ensuring that the format is valid and that the hashes stand. there's no
1854991;1538062411;phf;need for the separate keccak hashing tool, because vpatch ensures that the result is valid.
1854992;1538062411;lobbesbot;phf: Sent 14 hours and 10 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> are http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vtools-keccak-regrind/ old-style or new-style vpatches ?? my vtron won't press'em, and there is no way to distinguish , nor anything in the post to indicate, unless i'm thick
1854993;1538062412;lobbesbot;phf: Sent 14 hours and 6 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> nm, distinguished by hand... but my vtron doesn't verify the sigs (not immediately sure why) and mod6's -- sees only Leaf: vtools_vpatch_newline.vpatch (phf)
1854994;1538062565;phf;asciilifeform: but if you want a full "v replacement and i don't want to think about none of that" then just use esthlos's item. i believe he has a working keccak already
1854995;1538062643;asciilifeform;phf: try an' see from my pov : i get a 'goddamn stop using old v' , go an' uncrate the replacement, and turns out it ain't a plug-in replacement but a set of pieces and a roll of duct tape
1854996;1538062756;asciilifeform;and yes it is the picture i got from log. the gap in my head is where diana_coman switched to the new format; i then assumed there is a 100%-complete new vtron, and that 'hmm simply missed this, is in log somewhere' , turns out nope, notyet
1854997;1538062780;asciilifeform;apparently diana_coman has been hand-cranking it, sorta like asciilifeform's 1st yr of trb pre-vtron
1854998;1538062813;asciilifeform;( recall, i introduced the patches thing considerably prior to ~vtronic~ patches )
1854999;1538062857;asciilifeform;possibly this is not 100% fair picture , http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1854956 is only half-handcranked, but still, semi-automatic
1855000;1538062857;a111;Logged on 2018-09-27 13:50 diana_coman: asciilifeform, np; re vtron yes, currently it is only vdiff and vpatch functionality; I use old v to see the flow (since it checks the seals but doesn't care about the hashes until press time) and then the vpatch to actually press; looking forward to esthlos' vtron
1855001;1538063022;asciilifeform;phf: this is not a criticism of the format. but turns out asciilifeform has been looking for a 'i missed it in logz?' piece that doesn't exist quite yet ( hopefully will in 3 days... )
1855002;1538063113;asciilifeform;once it ~does~ exist, and fully displaces the duct tape, then yes i'ma start regrinding other things , and i expect then mod6 -- trb, etc
1855003;1538063198;asciilifeform;afaik nobody's used esthlos's item in battlefield yet, it'll need good bit of test.
1855004;1538063412;asciilifeform;i'd also like to see a continuing existence of multiple working vtrons, so eventually would like to rework mod6's to use newtype format ( unless mod6 would prefer to do it himself )
1855005;1538063437;phf;asciilifeform: you're just spreading fud, i don't know where to start unpacking this conversation
1855006;1538063443;asciilifeform;my ancient v100 , could also be reworked, but i'd like to put it to rest ( for one thing, it dun check hashes at all )
1855007;1538063460;asciilifeform;phf: there is not currently a complete replacement for mod6 v.pl ! fact !
1855008;1538063468;asciilifeform;where is the 'fud' ??
1855009;1538063472;phf;asciilifeform: vtools is not a replacement for v.pl!
1855010;1538063481;asciilifeform;dun seem like we disagree then ?
1855011;1538063491;phf;ugh
1855012;1538063529;asciilifeform;this thread is not meant to insult phf et al , but i open box where i thought was hammer, but there is only a hammer head
1855013;1538063543;asciilifeform;now i'ma need the shaft.
1855014;1538063552;phf;asciilifeform: you already have the shaft, it's v.py
1855015;1538063597;asciilifeform;phf: loox like. i'ma put the head on the shaft in next coupla days .
1855016;1538063673;phf;when i started working on vtools there was already a handful of battle tested V implementations, that relied on vdiff.sh/gnu patch combination. vtools is a "drop in" replacement for the later. you get valid vpatch on the input, valid press on the output. the purpose is to nail down the format, and gradually replace out its parts (e.g. transparent sha->keccak transition)
1855017;1538063707;mod6;I had started on a ada vtron last year, but I got hung up with some of the string handling, and the fact that I had to use shell-outs for pgp.  I'd like to get back to it at some point.  I would love to dispense with the shell outs - and can probably do so, but not until 'peh' is finished.
1855018;1538063722;asciilifeform;phf: makes sense. my frustration is from walking the logs for past 2 days and looking for who has the complete shaft+head hammer, and not finding
1855019;1538063747;mod6;The string handling, discussed previously in the logs, is basically a solved problem - would just need something similar to what alf or others have done before - character by character.
1855020;1538063756;asciilifeform;mod6: for nao i'll be entirely satisfied with the variant phf describes.
1855021;1538063758;mod6;Anyway, lack of time is a problem here too.
1855022;1538063765;mod6;asciilifeform: ok cool.
1855023;1538063841;phf;i think v.pl is a venerable tool, it's battle tested, it has established interface, it's been worked on for three years now. i don't see any reason to throw it out.
1855024;1538063886;asciilifeform;phf: right . what i was looking for is variant of same that calls out to keccak instead of sha512 ( mod6's latest vtron actually checks hashes ) . but apparently still needs baking.
1855025;1538063892;phf;i guess it's presumptuous on my part to think that it's exactly obvious how to take vtools and plug it directly into an existing v's, but that's all that's needed
1855026;1538063914;asciilifeform;phf: i don't dispute that it is obvious, but thought it had been done, this was my mistake.
1855027;1538063920;phf;asciilifeform: ah
1855028;1538063984;phf;asciilifeform: well, you're one of the v maintainers, i'd think you would want to do it to your own tool.
1855029;1538064020;asciilifeform;phf: my orig vtron has been sad and unmaintained, and afaik unused by anybody by me, for long time
1855030;1538064026;asciilifeform;phf: but yes i'ma revive it.
1855031;1538064068;phf;re standalone keccak hasher: i'm not sure that it's needed, i think the relevant phase can just be dispensed with altogether. `vpatch' verifies the hashes as it goes along
1855032;1538064089;asciilifeform;phf: ah huh
1855033;1538064115;asciilifeform;then not direly needed. though i'd still like to be able to post keccak hash in the log next time we're doing a thread with fw images or the like.
1855034;1538064141;phf;you can basically do (cat foo.vpatch bar.vpatch qux.vpatch) | vpatch and expect the resulting press to be fully valid, hashes and all
1855035;1538064151;asciilifeform;( i.e. i'd like to dispense with sha512sum util entirely , aside from existing ancient items which have sha512 hashes in the l0gz from years ago )
1855036;1538064160;asciilifeform;phf: makes sense.
1855037;1538064335;*;phf brb
1855038;1538064355;*;asciilifeform satisfied with the explanation
1855039;1538064455;asciilifeform;btw phf , if you're willing to post your modified v.py ( i.e. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1854990 ) i'ma sign
1855040;1538064455;a111;Logged on 2018-09-27 15:33 phf: asciilifeform: this has been extensively discussed in the logs. there was never a need for "new style v". v works just fine. one of the design goals of vtools was to nail down (and improve upon) the patch format. vtools are explicitly designed to be used with an existing v (for example i use it with v.py). vdiff produces wellformed vpatches and vpatch presses them ensuring that the format is valid and that the hashes stand. there's no
1855041;1538064521;asciilifeform;imho the situation where 'errybody made own hack' but no one posted 'because obvious' is a barbarism, really ought to have a civilized 'here is the whole thing' sitting on www somewhere.
1855042;1538065906;trinque;phf: did the problem which caused folks to have to delete one branch of your vpatch tree to press the other get fixed in v.pl?
1855043;1538065933;trinque;oh, modified. /me sips moar coffee
1855044;1538065974;trinque;trinquebrain clearly not handling the swaps between v.pl and v.py in thread just yet
1855045;1538067224;asciilifeform;trinque: which vtron are you thinking of including in cuntoo beta ?
1855046;1538067377;trinque;v-esthos if it's finished, and works, though I'm willing to hear counterarguments
1855047;1538067400;trinque;afaik it's the most didactic of the items
1855048;1538067420;asciilifeform;makes sense
1855049;1538067435;trinque;however it'll need a vdiff too, so was going to pull in also phf's work
1855050;1538067444;asciilifeform;prolly will also makes sense to standardize the calling for it eventually ( and i'ma rework mine to fit, etc )
1855051;1538067521;asciilifeform;( right now there's a linux-like situation where errybody has own flags etc )
1855052;1538068190;phf;trinque: it hasn't been, and i'm doing omission by not mentioning that vtools had a later mandate for graph resolution. meanwhile esthlos v was supposed to supposed to fix the issue, i suspect that different v's will eventually catch up.
1855053;1538069265;phf;trinque: vtools has not been design or intended to compete with any particular v implementation. it's a set of tools that you can use in a v workflow (hence the name). at least initially it was two matching tools vdiff and vpatch that know how to produce and consume a canonical vpatch. the conflation came up, because i also published vtools in a form that broke existing canonical v, v.pl, and was tasked with fixing the situation.
1855054;1538069392;asciilifeform;phf: i finally sat down and properly read the thing, and i think i finally grasp.
1855055;1538069888;phf;re esthlos's work i think it's a shame that he chose to reimplement own keccak, but is still calling out to gnu patch. he could just focus on graph resolution/signature/wot checking, and offload the validation on vpatch: construct the press list, feed the patches in-order to vpatch, if vpatch succeeds then you know _for certain_ that the sequence of patches is valid, hashes and all
1855056;1538070018;mod6;yeah, this is the right approach imho.  it's what i'd do with my ada-vtron, if it ever does breathe.
1855057;1538070402;trinque;phf: in principle I'm entirely in favor of the "unix philosophy" approach of simple, single-purpose tools
1855058;1538070580;asciilifeform;esthlos's thing calls to gnupatch ?! ugh
1855059;1538070591;asciilifeform;i did not yet know this.
1855060;1538070891;asciilifeform;phf: imho your approach , i.e. dispensing with gnupatch, is The Right Thing, historically there was quite a bit of grief from gnupatch's habit of eagerly attempting to apply an invalid (by vtronic lights) but 'partially ok' by barbarian lights patch
1855061;1538071285;trinque;the "hunk succeeded at offset $hurrr" thing is abominable
1855062;1538071315;trinque;tonail-eater tier mental rigor.
1855063;1538071316;asciilifeform;trinque: recall when i thought that this nonsense could be disabled by flags, hah
1855064;1538071838;phf;right vpatch applies 'diff -ruN' style patches exactly. it also keeps track of both the hash of the patched file and the hash of the result state as it's reading/patching (there's no double read happening), and errors out if either fails to match the hashes in the header
1855065;1538071952;asciilifeform;phf: exactly right algo
1855066;1538072492;phf;asciilifeform: i have a ksum PoC for you, http://btcbase.org/patches/vtools_ksum signed but it's from workbench, potentially buggy. "ksum foo bar qux" gives you shasum style <hash>  foo\n<hash>  bar\n<hash>  qux\n
1855067;1538072503;asciilifeform;oh neato
1855068;1538072508;asciilifeform;i'ma test.
1855069;1538072563;deedbot;http://bimbo.club/?p=31 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 9/22/2018
1855070;1538075849;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I have returned from the envirorast office, about to fire off a message to DHL informing them to try again as I am a provisionally acredited importer of packaged goods for commercial use
1855071;1538075899;mod6;*thumbsup*
1855072;1538076255;BingoBoingo;Now for everything else on the docket
1855073;1538077808;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1854937 << that was fast!
1855074;1538077808;a111;Logged on 2018-09-27 12:47 diana_coman: since I need to get the work done on this, I reground the UDP lib and I'll proceed from there; asciilifeform, phf and anyone else interested, keccak-patches are on my Code Shelf as usual: http://ossasepia.com/reference-code-shelf/#selection-477.0-477.19
1855075;1538077926;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1854952 << what you apparently did was completely ignore the matter for five months, then discover like children that you actually need tools at the time you started on the task (late at night etc) and so forth.
1855076;1538077926;a111;Logged on 2018-09-27 13:35 asciilifeform: call me an idjit, but i thought there were a new vtron...
1855077;1538077941;mircea_popescu;keep your tools in state of good repair, you won't have to start fixing fence by fixing hammer and nails.
1855078;1538077969;mircea_popescu;in any case shit in the logs ain't gonna to "just go away", this isn't linuslands. ignoring it is like ignoring hot coals.
1855079;1538078307;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/fetlife-the-next-derperation/ << Trilema - Fetlife -- The Next Derperation
1855080;1538078400;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1854988 << we came up with this clever thing sometime in 2015 or so iirc. not sure what is gained by doing 99995 --> 99994 etc in light of experience, but i clearly recall how cool it looked at the time.
1855081;1538078400;a111;Logged on 2018-09-27 15:12 asciilifeform: ( fughot that they decrement ! )
1855082;1538079496;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1855080 << i stole the notion , in slightly modified form, from knuth. the logic is, decrementing versions, with finite initial N, support a http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-18#1851362 flow , where 'if you fucked it N+1 times , nao forced to call proggy something else' -- specifically in opposition to the heathen plague of runaway ver nums (e.g. linux kernel, emacs, firefox, etc)
1855083;1538079496;a111;Logged on 2018-09-27 20:00 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1854988 << we came up with this clever thing sometime in 2015 or so iirc. not sure what is gained by doing 99995 --> 99994 etc in light of experience, but i clearly recall how cool it looked at the time.
1855084;1538079496;a111;Logged on 2018-09-18 18:22 asciilifeform: this is the other thing, 'changes are expensive' promote imho a sane view of software, where you actually try to perma-stabilize yer proggy, rather than to keep up the classic 'open sores' eternal cauldron of bubbling liquishit
1855085;1538079573;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1855075 << yea if i'd smoke-tested it earlier, would have found. on top of this, naively assumed that diana_coman has a working and complete keccaktronic v , given as she's moved smg to newform
1855086;1538079573;a111;Logged on 2018-09-27 19:52 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1854952 << what you apparently did was completely ignore the matter for five months, then discover like children that you actually need tools at the time you started on the task (late at night etc) and so forth.
1855087;1538079599;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1855070 << neato BingoBoingo . plz lemme know asap if you need anyffing from my end
1855088;1538079599;a111;Logged on 2018-09-27 19:17 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I have returned from the envirorast office, about to fire off a message to DHL informing them to try again as I am a provisionally acredited importer of packaged goods for commercial use
1855089;1538079687;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1855078 << trickier item. recall 'the song of the sirens, some have escaped, but their silence -- no one' . how to deal with 'but ~was~ it in the l0gz'.
1855090;1538079687;a111;Logged on 2018-09-27 19:52 mircea_popescu: in any case shit in the logs ain't gonna to "just go away", this isn't linuslands. ignoring it is like ignoring hot coals.
1855091;1538079757;asciilifeform;( asciilifeform plowed through the phf-vtronics thread when came back from voyage, and then second time when diana_coman requested keccak regrind, and both times failed to converge to correct answ re 'is there complete keccak vtron' )
1855092;1538080067;asciilifeform;elsewhere, else, http://trilema.com/2018/fetlife-the-next-derperation/#comment-126772
1855093;1538080460;deedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2018/09/27/tester-for-udp-communications/ << Ossasepia - Tester for UDP Communications
1855094;1538080466;asciilifeform;oh hey.
1855095;1538080558;diana_coman;asciilifeform, ^ there is also a small .vpatch for that issue with null chars at ip
1855096;1538080565;asciilifeform;neato!
1855097;1538080578;diana_coman;the rest then are for the tester only - let me know if you give it a spin and how it behaves
1855098;1538080590;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i'ma test & mirror that one when i get a chance
1855099;1538080597;asciilifeform;will do.
1855100;1538080626;diana_coman;but otherwise the udp_tester.vpatch makes some changes to udp lib that are really just for testing (i.e. I think they should not be part of production use of udp lib)
1855101;1538080656;asciilifeform;yea i can't picture for what might need variable masses in production
1855102;1538080660;asciilifeform;so makes sense
1855103;1538080699;diana_coman;it's the move to generic + relaxation of some constraints (because of generic and because of using Calendar for local time to log)
1855104;1538081139;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/09/power-rangers-inserted-inflation-bug-into-core-bitcoin-network-client-in-2016/ << Qntra - Power Rangers Inserted Inflation Bug Into "Core" Bitcoin Network Client in 2016
1855105;1538081215;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, i understand the principle, just... nothing, not even mozilla went through 10k versions to date.
1855106;1538081869;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: yea, 10k is imho much. but e.g. asciilifeform gave himself 100 in orig v
1855107;1538081917;mircea_popescu;more's the point : HOW do we establush "100is much, 10k is enough, etc"
1855108;1538082136;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1855089 << i have no fucking idea how. i read the logs daily atm, mostly impelled by... outright fear. the best heuristic i know of, but otherwise this promises to be a first caliber bane as time goes by.
1855109;1538082136;a111;Logged on 2018-09-27 20:21 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1855078 << trickier item. recall 'the song of the sirens, some have escaped, but their silence -- no one' . how to deal with 'but ~was~ it in the l0gz'.
1855110;1538082337;mircea_popescu;!!rate bluematt -10 finally comes home to roost
1855111;1538082340;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/O1xwh/?raw=true
1855112;1538082389;mircea_popescu;^the end of the last holdout of historical derps
1855113;1538082402;mircea_popescu;and /me shall bbl
1855114;1538083388;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1855104 >> bahahaha, and the disinfo machine already spinning at full speed, e.g. 'Everything older than 0.16.3 (and the corresponding 0.14 and 0.15 fix releases) is vulnerable to one exploit or another' etc
1855115;1538083388;a111;Logged on 2018-09-27 20:45 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/09/power-rangers-inserted-inflation-bug-into-core-bitcoin-network-client-in-2016/ << Qntra - Power Rangers Inserted Inflation Bug Into "Core" Bitcoin Network Client in 2016
1855116;1538083420;asciilifeform;( pretty thinly disguised attempt to get the dumber miners to 'upgrade' )
1855117;1538083463;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1855107 << the proggy author's duty, and nobody can save him from it. fwiw i go roughly by size/complexity of orig draft.
1855118;1538083463;a111;Logged on 2018-09-27 20:58 mircea_popescu: more's the point : HOW do we establush "100is much, 10k is enough, etc"
1855119;1538083503;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1855108 << i read'em when waking, when going to sleep, and in between have scrolling in real time within peripheral vision. but evidently even this not guaranteed to suffice..
1855120;1538083503;a111;Logged on 2018-09-27 21:02 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1855089 << i have no fucking idea how. i read the logs daily atm, mostly impelled by... outright fear. the best heuristic i know of, but otherwise this promises to be a first caliber bane as time goes by.
1855121;1538085323;deedbot;http://bingology.net/2018/09/27/peso-watch-september-2018-edition-with-bonus-uru-gay/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog - Peso Watch September 2018 Edition With Bonus URU-Gay
1855122;1538089096;BingoBoingo; For the longs: Peso Argentino went from 0.85/1.45 to 0.55/1.25 in one month.
1855123;1538092221;asciilifeform;diana_coman: built & emplaced your sender-receiver, it is running nao, asciilifeformistan <--> BingoBoingostan
1855124;1538092264;asciilifeform;will leave it overnight , then post log..
1855125;1538092381;asciilifeform;interestingly, 1st coupla min seems to show ~0 loss
1855126;1538092561;*;asciilifeform discussed subj with asciilifeform's brother, who answered 'whaddayamean, what size packet, at $defunctgamesco we only ever used 1480, for decade, ideal'
1855127;1538092576;asciilifeform;admittedly this was in the paleolithic '90s
1855128;1538092650;asciilifeform;i can see the logic, ethernet frame is 1500 , ip header -- 20 byte
1855129;1538092712;asciilifeform;tho as i understand it, they did not account for the 8 byte udp header size, and thereby still fragged.
1855130;1538092784;asciilifeform;going by the current empirical test, however, a packet that frags into 2 or even 3, typically goes. tho it remains to be seen whether they start falling down once you saturate.
1855131;1538092899;asciilifeform;diana_coman's test jig ( i did not modify it except for the dest ip ) currently fires 1 / sec.
1855132;1538093106;mod6;evenin'
1855133;1538093162;*;mod6 looks
1855134;1538094024;mod6;nice work diana_coman
1855135;1538094248;asciilifeform;oh hm it stops after a while
1855136;1538094267;mod6;stopped or died?
1855137;1538094314;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's deliberate, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1854306
1855138;1538094314;a111;Logged on 2018-09-25 15:58 mircea_popescu: add a 1s delay between packets.
1855139;1538094384;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1854994 << just about, yes. and yeah, the summary's correct.
1855140;1538094384;a111;Logged on 2018-09-27 15:36 phf: asciilifeform: but if you want a full "v replacement and i don't want to think about none of that" then just use esthlos's item. i believe he has a working keccak already
1855141;1538094936;asciilifeform;'Note that the sender will send each size of package *only once* and it will simply finish once it sent one package of each size' << aaah
1855142;1538094962;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1855005 << certainlt. it's already unpacked, as far as that can be done, at http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1855075
1855143;1538094962;a111;Logged on 2018-09-27 15:50 phf: asciilifeform: you're just spreading fud, i don't know where to start unpacking this conversation
1855144;1538094962;a111;Logged on 2018-09-27 19:52 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1854952 << what you apparently did was completely ignore the matter for five months, then discover like children that you actually need tools at the time you started on the task (late at night etc) and so forth.
1855145;1538094995;mircea_popescu;sadly there's no simple/just-add-water way out of "i've been ignoring this whole thing for x interval, wut nao". nao -- pick up from where you left off, what.
1855146;1538095086;mircea_popescu;summaries only go so far, and besides, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-19#1851685
1855147;1538095086;a111;Logged on 2018-09-19 15:56 asciilifeform: mod6: i dun like to discourage folx, esp. mircea_popescu's pupil, who is evidently pouring sweat into the job. but i expected the items would get better with time, and imho so far they haven't
1855148;1538095199;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, diana_coman : http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/udpism/usa_sender_udp_log.txt http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/udpism/uy_receiver_udp_log.txt << 1 full volley
1855149;1538095206;mircea_popescu;but yes, the obnoxious part about the ignorant approach is that it purports to "identify as problems" the speciffic parts that are both well designed and functioning as designed, ie specifically the hash transition.
1855150;1538095244;mircea_popescu;that alf manages to do this naturally and with i suspect no malice aforethought (or anything else aforethought at all) is in a sense supportive of the hopes of humanity -- apparently ignorance breeds the nonsense on its own, no "dark lizard" behind it all needed.
1855151;1538095280;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: seems like 100% passed...
1855152;1538095286;asciilifeform;packets, i mean
1855153;1538095444;mircea_popescu;anyway. what v did you end up with ?
1855154;1538095503;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: just nao -- muscle-powered v a la diana_coman . this weekend would like to reword v.py to run on phf's components.
1855155;1538095514;mircea_popescu;alright.
1855156;1538095526;asciilifeform;and when esthlos releases, will try his.
1855157;1538095551;mircea_popescu;you realise, i'm not going to go "here -- use THIS .emacs". not in this life.
1855158;1538095574;mircea_popescu;yes there's nothing wrong with people publishing toolsets ; but this can't become a fucking expectations wth. craftsman -- has toolset.
1855159;1538095607;asciilifeform;i dun recall asking for 'use THIS .emacs' lol
1855160;1538095608;mircea_popescu;standardized tools -- for mcdo cashiers. actual craftsman, responsible for his toolset, which nobody inspects for him but himself.
1855161;1538095630;asciilifeform;but ftr i released complete kit with orig v, not half thing.
1855162;1538095670;mircea_popescu;as things grow, upgrades by parts become a matter of necessity.
1855163;1538095675;mircea_popescu;restaurant served me complete pie, but body shop did only paint the preexisting car i supplied them with.
1855164;1538095701;asciilifeform;btw mircea_popescu & diana_coman , not only 0 packet losses, but 0 reorders.
1855165;1538095712;mircea_popescu;you're doing wash to uy and back ?
1855166;1538095778;asciilifeform;i.e.  :    cat uy_receiver_udp_log.txt | cut -f 1 -d ',' > receiver_idx.txt ; cat usa_sender_udp_log.txt | cut -f 1 -d ',' > sender_idx.txt ; diff sender_idx.txt receiver_idx.txt    << produces nil
1855167;1538095789;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: so far only tried the -->
1855168;1538095796;mircea_popescu;nb. let it run for a few weeks if you will, so we have nice datasets to work on
1855169;1538095821;mircea_popescu;and bidirectional is good imo, i half expect to discover parity between lastmile->dc and dc->lastmile directions.
1855170;1538095825;asciilifeform;( potentially also could be interesting to make echo variant )
1855171;1538095832;asciilifeform;i.e. ->, <-, ->, ...
1855172;1538095900;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: no disagreement re upgrades of parts
1855173;1538095950;mircea_popescu;so then. phf did a new ~vdiff~. and a very good one at that, from all i can see.
1855174;1538095959;asciilifeform;worx a++
1855175;1538096024;asciilifeform;upstack, re the udp experiment -- 1/sec is sorta 'cheating', no possibility of reorders
1855176;1538096039;asciilifeform;( afaik 1sec is way moar than long enuff for a packet to either make it, or vanish )
1855177;1538096042;mircea_popescu;and diana_coman or hanbot or who will you pick have little problem in turning over next-day keccak patches on trees, as recently put on display. i don't think they're either smarter or blesseder than you, they just have the toolset ready.
1855178;1538096055;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform wanna run one with .1 s or 10ms ? that might be a good move.
1855179;1538096063;asciilifeform;i'ma try with 10ms
1855180;1538096082;mircea_popescu;just makew sure you put something in there to distinguish "my interface is shitdrops on the floor"
1855181;1538096094;mircea_popescu;because we're not really into measuring shitty nat routers on cisco customer walls per se.
1855182;1538096121;mircea_popescu;early proto-test indicated most of the lossage happens before 2nd hop
1855183;1538096146;asciilifeform;how does one determine exactly which hop
1855184;1538096155;asciilifeform;( i dun have a tap in florida, lol )
1855185;1538096193;mircea_popescu;in the worst case, capture the flow upstream and see if the box actually puts out the packets ?
1855186;1538096200;mircea_popescu;though in general can have interface log outbound, say.
1855187;1538096255;asciilifeform;thus far they all show up on my exit router, fwiw
1855188;1538096293;mircea_popescu;but yes -- the test can (and likely will) be tightened. for starters we just wanted to get a sort of "absolute path limits". and THESE do indeed turn out to be further out than originally thought -- 2kb packets make it np unfragged and in order 100% of the time, and even 20-60kb packets made it.
1855189;1538096305;mircea_popescu;(and when didn't made it -- local interface dropping was the likely culprit)
1855190;1538096319;mircea_popescu;that whole "1 packet per burst makes it" was very much "well doh, 1 gets sent at all"
1855191;1538096344;mircea_popescu;ie, the 508 value largely mythical at this point.
1855192;1538096357;asciilifeform;about to post the 10ms variant ( 3 shots )..
1855193;1538096375;asciilifeform;yea i suspect 508 is a textbookism
1855194;1538096383;mircea_popescu;maybe was true. in 1994.
1855195;1538096493;asciilifeform;here goes :
1855196;1538096509;asciilifeform;1) http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/udpism/usa_tx_10ms_run1.txt http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/udpism/uy_rcv_10ms_run1.txt
1855197;1538096516;asciilifeform;2) http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/udpism/usa_tx_10ms_run2.txt http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/udpism/uy_rcv_10ms_run2.txt
1855198;1538096522;asciilifeform;3) http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/udpism/usa_tx_10ms_run3.txt http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/udpism/uy_rcv_10ms_run3.txt
1855199;1538096528;asciilifeform;( still in 1 direction )
1855200;1538096540;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i suspect wasn't even in '94
1855201;1538096566;mircea_popescu;100% huh. nice!
1855202;1538096570;asciilifeform;apparently
1855203;1538096582;mircea_popescu;apparently some parts of the internet DID get better over time.
1855204;1538096633;asciilifeform;0 reorderings too, loox like
1855205;1538096648;asciilifeform;10ms is still pretty relaxed pace tho.
1855206;1538096657;mircea_popescu;truth be told, on the internet-as-we-thought-it-was, video on demand'd have been a miracle.
1855207;1538096670;mod6;thats still 2 orders faster than the last test tho.
1855208;1538096673;asciilifeform;video does get to skip frames & buffer etc
1855209;1538096687;mircea_popescu;moreover, 1kb/s is one thing, 100kb/s ANOTHER thing.
1855210;1538096692;asciilifeform;mod6: i seem to recall a much sadder london test but that was with very heavy packets iirc
1855211;1538096695;mircea_popescu;i don't really want the traffic to go much over the kb/s range
1855212;1538096720;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: then yer golden, loox like. at least if errybody has a path no worse than mine
1855213;1538096748;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: keep in mind that traffic on receiver will be considerably moar than 1k/s
1855214;1538096757;asciilifeform;( even if erry client sends at 300 baud )
1855215;1538096855;asciilifeform;will be interesting to try a shot with several people txing from different places. see if it triggers antiddos derpery somewhere.
1855216;1538097215;mircea_popescu;will happen by itself anyways.
1855217;1538097232;asciilifeform;in battlefield -- definitely
1855218;1538097241;mircea_popescu;but anyway, imo if mmorpg needs > kb/s connectivity something's misdesigned somewhere.
1855219;1538097265;mircea_popescu;not including here asset transfers ; merely the "bread and butter" so to speak.
1855220;1538097271;asciilifeform;i've nfi why you'd want >1k/s per user, unless you were doing voices or somesuch exotica
1855221;1538097286;mircea_popescu;even if you do voices, client should acquire the asset and cache it.
1855222;1538097304;asciilifeform;i meant those mud folx who have microphones in the game
1855223;1538097325;*;asciilifeform never saw the appeal
1855224;1538097366;mircea_popescu;i don't see why they can't do this -- independently.
1855225;1538097389;asciilifeform;i.e. with telephones ?
1855226;1538097397;mircea_popescu;kinda weird for a restaurant to also attempt to provide phone service for the patrons. what, they can't carry phones inside ?
1855227;1538097421;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform through whatever they like. it's their fucking friends, neh ? sometimes gaming i'll speak acrossd table / yell across room w/e. my fucking harem, my fucking business.
1855228;1538097430;asciilifeform;i dun know the specific answer. but suspect it has to do with the sad audio mixer on most os. they wanna hear the game sounds + the chat.
1855229;1538097457;mircea_popescu;ah, os mixing still undone, 25 years later, huh
1855230;1538097463;asciilifeform;last i knew.
1855231;1538097467;mircea_popescu;good thing linux has code of shithead.
1855232;1538097479;asciilifeform;iirc this was even poettering's orig worming-in -- he claimed to fix mixing
1855233;1538097494;asciilifeform;( spoiler : didn't )
1855234;1538097532;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1855023 << moreover, i can't imagine who the fuck would make this call ~for others~. you don't like having it, by all means, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-26#1854751 ; but i am not going to say "do not use v.pl".
1855235;1538097532;a111;Logged on 2018-09-27 15:57 phf: i think v.pl is a venerable tool, it's battle tested, it has established interface, it's been worked on for three years now. i don't see any reason to throw it out.
1855236;1538097532;a111;Logged on 2018-09-26 18:52 mircea_popescu: so delete them, then.
1855237;1538097536;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: phunphakt : mixer worked GREAT 20y ago. when hardware dsp in sound blaster.
1855238;1538097543;asciilifeform;THEN stopped when 'winmodem' soundcards.
1855239;1538097552;mircea_popescu;aha. i recall this also.
1855240;1538097580;asciilifeform;~iron~ mixers : work. 'soft' liquishit -- surprise, surprise -- doesn't
1855241;1538097586;asciilifeform;esp on os with liquishit scheduler
1855242;1538097592;mircea_popescu;or should i say alsa.
1855243;1538097603;asciilifeform;any an' all of the 'soft' hacks
1855244;1538097607;asciilifeform;they dunwork. cuz how would they.
1855245;1538097609;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1855246;1538097763;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1855025 << actually this is exactly >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1854931 ; i saw it there then, i checked it off in my head and did not return, that or any other wednesday, to check. turns out, it got dropped. don't do that!
1855247;1538097763;a111;Logged on 2018-09-27 15:58 phf: i guess it's presumptuous on my part to think that it's exactly obvious how to take vtools and plug it directly into an existing v's, but that's all that's needed
1855248;1538097763;a111;Logged on 2018-09-27 09:34 diana_coman: http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vtools-keccak-regrind/ -> gotta ask here, phf, am I missing something or what Wednesday was that there in the first line meant to be?
1855249;1538097872;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1855034 << indeed!
1855250;1538097872;a111;Logged on 2018-09-27 16:02 phf: you can basically do (cat foo.vpatch bar.vpatch qux.vpatch) | vpatch and expect the resulting press to be fully valid, hashes and all
1855251;1538097920;mircea_popescu;re stand-alone hasher : useful in general (for reason alf describes) even if not strictly needed for v work ; the only way to get one i know of atm is via eucrypt.
1855252;1538097978;mircea_popescu;dunno how many people keep that around though. i don't think it'd be a crime or anything to make a command-line keccak branch off of it, so people can just press to that if they want.
1855253;1538097993;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: phf posted one earlier
1855254;1538098019;*;mircea_popescu sitll goign through teh logs. apparently going out for a few hours IS UNSAFE
1855255;1538098051;asciilifeform;lol
1855256;1538098075;mircea_popescu;Die Kais’rin hat sich mit dem Franzosen alliiert und das Römische Reich gegen mich revoltiert. De Russen sind gefallen in Preußen ein, etc etc.
1855257;1538098085;asciilifeform;ahahahayes
1855258;1538098093;*;asciilifeform sings...
1855259;1538098247;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1855041 << this is so, "here's a complete model" is a periodic necessity. just you know, can't complain that "not there jit when i wanted it". but yes in general, ur examples must be had, fully functional model trains must exist, etc. otherwise how to even run academia.
1855260;1538098247;a111;Logged on 2018-09-27 16:08 asciilifeform: imho the situation where 'errybody made own hack' but no one posted 'because obvious' is a barbarism, really ought to have a civilized 'here is the whole thing' sitting on www somewhere.
1855261;1538098312;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lol recall how we even ended up with v, ' asciilifeform : 'it is obvious!11 how to arrange trb patches' errybodyelse : 'nah' )
1855262;1538098334;mircea_popescu;indeed.
1855263;1538098363;asciilifeform;( recall, we had gpg-signed patches with 0 robotics for yr+ )
1855264;1538098452;mircea_popescu;well... the republic is organically grown.
1855265;1538098472;asciilifeform;indeed, 0 nitrates!1111
1855266;1538098512;mircea_popescu;we don't do shit for any other reason than because "alternatives were reviewed, this came out".
1855267;1538098581;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1855053 << this is historical.
1855268;1538098581;a111;Logged on 2018-09-27 17:27 phf: trinque: vtools has not been design or intended to compete with any particular v implementation. it's a set of tools that you can use in a v workflow (hence the name). at least initially it was two matching tools vdiff and vpatch that know how to produce and consume a canonical vpatch. the conflation came up, because i also published vtools in a form that broke existing canonical v, v.pl, and was tasked with fixing the situation.
1855269;1538098694;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1855058 << iirc he was getting rid of that.
1855270;1538098694;a111;Logged on 2018-09-27 17:49 asciilifeform: esthlos's thing calls to gnupatch ?! ugh
1855271;1538098725;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: shouldn't take much sweat, anyffing that calls gnupatch could just as readily call phf's
1855272;1538098740;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1855060 << and yes. schmuck's principle of "tolerance", doth not belong here.
1855273;1538098740;a111;Logged on 2018-09-27 17:54 asciilifeform: phf: imho your approach , i.e. dispensing with gnupatch, is The Right Thing, historically there was quite a bit of grief from gnupatch's habit of eagerly attempting to apply an invalid (by vtronic lights) but 'partially ok' by barbarian lights patch
1855274;1538098814;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it not only made for very picturesque output in old buggy vtrons, but pretty terrible for blood pressure, as turned out that the supposed 'disable fuzzy' flags dun actually do anyffin in gnupatch
1855275;1538098825;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1855070 << this guy. getting him out of the flophouse was the best move ever.
1855276;1538098825;a111;Logged on 2018-09-27 19:17 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I have returned from the envirorast office, about to fire off a message to DHL informing them to try again as I am a provisionally acredited importer of packaged goods for commercial use
1855277;1538111260;Mocky;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-28#1855218 >> players in sight of each other, all getting position updates for all others is *THE* central scaling 'n squared problem' for mmo. 20 byte position sent 4 times per second to 100 players is 8k/s per player. and 4 updates per second is really not enough for good playability when you factor in the round trip lag. 15/s is less draconian (many games send 30-60). 100 players gathered with 15 updates
1855278;1538111260;a111;Logged on 2018-09-28 01:14 mircea_popescu: but anyway, imo if mmorpg needs > kb/s connectivity something's misdesigned somewhere.
1855279;1538111261;Mocky;per second is 30k/s per player.
1855280;1538111294;Mocky;there are clever ways to reduce, somewhat. but no silver bullet
1855281;1538111497;Mocky;and this doesn't count pets / hirelings / mobile npc's
1855282;1538111812;mircea_popescu;there is that.
1855283;1538111846;mircea_popescu;however, the position is not 20 byte. idea is for eulora to make do with ~6.
1855284;1538111956;mircea_popescu;there's also no intention to reproduce the usual http://trilema.com/2016/the-eastern-rpg/ bs. there's not going to be a "central town" everyone HAS to go to because of the linear&automated questline.
1855285;1538111960;mircea_popescu;"questline"
1855286;1538115672;diana_coman;also, note that eulora does not enforce "all players within sight get position update" because server does not push basically; it's up to clients to request what they want, when and if they want it
1855287;1538115720;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-28#1855134 -> cheers!
1855288;1538115720;a111;Logged on 2018-09-28 00:20 mod6: nice work diana_coman
1855289;1538115778;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-28#1855148 -> hey, nice!
1855290;1538115778;a111;Logged on 2018-09-28 00:39 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, diana_coman : http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/udpism/usa_sender_udp_log.txt http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/udpism/uy_receiver_udp_log.txt << 1 full volley
1855291;1538115859;diana_coman;asciilifeform's published test data seems to match what I got on my initial tests with 1 second delay; my current plan is to collect first at least 1 week worth of data and then to repeat the experiment with a. smaller delays b. several senders perhaps
1855292;1538139645;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-28#1855188 << nitpick: >1500byte always fragged, cuz ethernet. but! apparently get sewn back together in time. at least at the currently tried rates, and with mix of sizes ( remains to be seen what receiver will do with a summed MB/s of frags from different people )
1855293;1538139645;a111;Logged on 2018-09-28 00:58 mircea_popescu: but yes -- the test can (and likely will) be tightened. for starters we just wanted to get a sort of "absolute path limits". and THESE do indeed turn out to be further out than originally thought -- 2kb packets make it np unfragged and in order 100% of the time, and even 20-60kb packets made it.
1855294;1538139763;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-28#1855180 << also forgot to answer -- it's a mips 'octeon' running freebsd off ssd , iirc described in several old thrds
1855295;1538139763;a111;Logged on 2018-09-28 00:54 mircea_popescu: just makew sure you put something in there to distinguish "my interface is shitdrops on the floor"
1855296;1538139771;asciilifeform;!#s octeon
1855297;1538139771;a111;16 results for "octeon", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=octeon
1855298;1538139986;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-28#1855291 << lemme know if you'd like sumthing in particular tested with my path, diana_coman
1855299;1538139986;a111;Logged on 2018-09-28 06:24 diana_coman: asciilifeform's published test data seems to match what I got on my initial tests with 1 second delay; my current plan is to collect first at least 1 week worth of data and then to repeat the experiment with a. smaller delays b. several senders perhaps
1855300;1538140180;asciilifeform;diana_coman: all of my testfires thus far ended up 'no loss, no reorder, as if on lan'
1855301;1538141604;BingoBoingo;In other news, the morning news program "Buen Dia Uruguay" has a fat wrinkly bag on right now reading Tarot cards and making predictions for 2019
1855302;1538141658;BingoBoingo;Apparently it is going to be a good year for pork and problematic year for snakes, of which I have yet to see any in this country
1855303;1538142158;diana_coman;asciilifeform, what's the shortest delay you tried?
1855304;1538142369;asciilifeform;diana_coman: 10ms
1855305;1538142651;asciilifeform;diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-28#1855195 << output
1855306;1538142651;a111;Logged on 2018-09-28 01:01 asciilifeform: here goes :
1855307;1538142857;diana_coman;got it
1855308;1538143919;mod6;mornin'
1855309;1538143925;asciilifeform;ohai mod6
1855310;1538143991;mod6;how goes today?
1855311;1538144246;asciilifeform;slowly.
1855312;1538144266;mod6;not bad, for a Friday am.
1855313;1538144295;asciilifeform;mod6: mostly mired in saecular liquishit
1855314;1538144381;mod6;eeek
1855315;1538144389;mod6;no fun
1855316;1538146168;mats;BingoBoingo: 2019 is year of the pig
1855317;1538146208;mod6;jurov: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/6nujs/?raw=true
1855318;1538146243;mats;chinese zodiac
1855319;1538146283;mod6;mmm, i wanna throw some ribs in the smoker.
1855320;1538147235;mod6;I'm about ready to start hunting too.  It's getting close to that time of year.
1855321;1538147497;asciilifeform;re : udpism : at the risk of rehashing some of the ancient gossipd thread, i'ma put a few notes re fragging :
1855322;1538147537;asciilifeform;even if seems that 100% of 2/3-frag packets make it through in 'laboratory' conditions, still gotta remember that the frag reassembly buffer is the ~exact~ equivalent of the pre-trb 'block orphanage'
1855323;1538147550;asciilifeform;i.e. it is fundamentally an 'allcomers-can-claim-some-ram' item
1855324;1538147578;asciilifeform;which not only complicates ip stack ( for when we write one ) but opens up to ddosability ( frags are take-it-or-leave-it, they dun even carry the port # )
1855325;1538147607;asciilifeform;i for one would rather have no frag reassembly at all if writing ip stack. not only b/c complexity but also this.
1855326;1538147623;*;asciilifeform bbl,teatime
1855327;1538148543;Mocky;I don't see the benefit of building in a reliance on an external UDP fragment reassembly mechanism when the algo is 'all or nothing'.
1855328;1538150198;asciilifeform;Mocky: me neither, esp. given as it wins nuffin bandwidth-wise
1855329;1538150222;asciilifeform;imho if you want large messages, oughta have own fragger/reasmer, not the ??? in linux/ciscolade
1855330;1538150265;asciilifeform;the ip stack's frag/reasm is one of those things that 'worx until it doesnt'
1855331;1538150318;Mocky;zackly. and when "doesn't" it magnifies packet loss %
1855332;1538150325;asciilifeform;i'll observe that if you dispense with fraggism, ip stack becomes fairly easy to write ( i.e. if you support only unfragged udp and nuffin else )
1855333;1538150391;asciilifeform;Mocky: my suspicion is that under ddos conditions, loss of frags will approach 100%
1855334;1538150462;Mocky;old log threads appear to have mircea_popescu with hatred of UDP, which has meanwhile dissipated ?
1855335;1538150479;asciilifeform;Mocky: i suspect that he's rtfm'd since
1855336;1538150543;asciilifeform;Mocky: incidentally, it is possible to do what i suggested to him then, which is to change the protocol # in the ip header and be generic ip, rather than udp . but only once we have own ip stack.
1855337;1538150572;asciilifeform;of course ddosers can send packets with your new protocol # , it doesn't make you bulletproof
1855338;1538150573;Mocky;aha
1855339;1538150592;asciilifeform;the only final solution to ddos is O(1) crapolade packet rejection. ( preferably in iron )
1855340;1538150631;asciilifeform;fragola makes this impossible in principle, you gotta stow N frags to get any sense of whether the full packet is friend or foe
1855341;1538150653;BingoBoingo;<Mocky> old log threads appear to have mircea_popescu with hatred of UDP, which has meanwhile dissipated ? << There was a period when reddit hadn't yet given up on marginalizing the Republic and DDoS's were pestilential.
1855342;1538150664;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: they're still pestilential
1855343;1538150684;BingoBoingo;Sure, but less frequently aimed visibly at us
1855344;1538150693;asciilifeform;this is a temporary peace.
1855345;1538150741;BingoBoingo;Gone from cover of "loud redditards" pissing UDP at webservers to bloat blocker shitting turd boluses at trb nodes
1855346;1538150827;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: whole reason ddos even exists as a concept is the short-sighted idjicy of arpa designers. i'd like to avoid repeating it.
1855347;1538150838;BingoBoingo;Right
1855348;1538150861;BingoBoingo;Can't let it happen on short wave
1855349;1538150880;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: very diff set of problems, there
1855350;1538150888;asciilifeform;( and really quite different thread... )
1855351;1538150897;BingoBoingo;Woodpecker arrays, etc
1855352;1538150909;asciilifeform;( on sw , the sun ddoses you 24/7/365, as well as washington )
1855353;1538151323;Mocky;asciilifeform, O(1) crapolade packet rejection is already available in software with your FFA lib, if RSA over non-frag UDP was built on top, no?
1855354;1538151356;asciilifeform;Mocky: it will once i get one going with inline asm'd addition/shifts.
1855355;1538151390;Mocky;it's not constant time without asm?
1855356;1538151395;asciilifeform;oh it is
1855357;1538151401;BingoBoingo;In other news Japanese robot seals (the ones for keeping the elderly company) have made it to Uruguay
1855358;1538151422;asciilifeform;Mocky: in theory you already have rsa with Ch. 4 . but nowhere near line speed.
1855359;1538151440;asciilifeform;Mocky: the constant in that O(1) unfortunately matters.
1855360;1538151451;Mocky;indeed
1855361;1538151537;Mocky;Japanese robot seals ... wtf am i looking at right now, lol
1855362;1538151614;asciilifeform;Mocky: in the past i attempted a fpga rsa also. sadly the 'ice40' would need to be about 250x bigger, for it to be bakeable
1855363;1538151631;asciilifeform;( as it is, ice40 won't even hold ~one~ 4096bit adder ! )
1855364;1538151680;BingoBoingo;Mocky: I have the local news playing in the background. But they are talking about these guys. https://archive.is/RRHQ Mind the publication date and remember this country was Lego free until that awful movie came out.
1855365;1538151703;asciilifeform;and i'ma never recommend to anyone the use of heathen 'rsa chips'. not even because they all, without exception, work with only 'toy' key lengths, but because srsly wtf.
1855366;1538151745;mod6;can we get a squad of these seals to blockade runners for us:?
1855367;1538151823;BingoBoingo;Mebbe?
1855368;1538151887;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: homing pigeons might work...
1855369;1538151951;BingoBoingo;The national rolling pigeon club is a few blocks away. Could see if those would work
1855370;1538151979;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the tricky bit , as i understand, with those, is that they only work in 1 dir
1855371;1538151987;asciilifeform;and gotta be manually transported in the other
1855372;1538152009;asciilifeform;i.e. you'd have to ship'em out of BingoBoingostan in boxes.
1855373;1538152056;BingoBoingo;End then we'd have to strip down tcp over carrier pigeon to get UDP over carrier pigeon
1855374;1538152071;asciilifeform;more practically, usb stix over pigeon.
1855375;1538152079;asciilifeform;but i suspect not a winner, they do what, 500 km.
1855376;1538152101;mod6;lol, that's a long way
1855377;1538152121;BingoBoingo;500km is Brasil, Buenos Aires, the Atlantic Ocean, and Paraguay
1855378;1538152132;asciilifeform;mod6: if there were a place within 500km of BingoBoingo with sane customs regime, he'd be there already, neh.
1855379;1538152154;mod6;im just sayin', overall, that's a suprisingly long way for a winged-rat.
1855380;1538152169;mod6;regardless if it means our needs, in jest.
1855381;1538152197;asciilifeform;not even necessarily in jest. i'm not averse to using absolutely anyffing, if it worx.
1855382;1538152213;asciilifeform;and sits down in budget. ( nuke subs are prolly out, for the time being )
1855383;1538152235;mod6;fair enough
1855384;1538152256;mod6;We still need fiat, any takers?
1855385;1538152291;asciilifeform;mod6: i'll do it if absolutely nobody else wants to , but stretched rather thin, so give it coupla days if you can
1855386;1538152355;mod6;I've asked a number of times in both castles, and a few individuals direclty (whom previously said they'd be willing); no takers yet -- however, still waiting on some info back before we're on our own.  Will let you know.
1855387;1538152364;asciilifeform;aite
1855388;1538152436;asciilifeform;mod6: i'm pinching pennies in case i gotta do an expedition in near term
1855389;1538152499;asciilifeform;if BingoBoingo doesn't pull off the ransoming of the crate, it will have to happen asap
1855390;1538152698;mod6;*nod* makes sense.  Once I get all of the info back I need, I'll send around a board comm so we're all on the same page, and will list some possible options.
1855391;1538153798;Mocky;re: ice40 x250 and other projects: If I get a toe hold in Qatar, they have a 'free zone' to entice foreign R&D and tech startups which permits a new company to have 100% foreign owners, 0% tax on profits, duty free import/export. But requires them to like you and what you're trying to do.
1855392;1538153805;Mocky;http://qstp.org.qa/membership/
1855393;1538153828;asciilifeform;Mocky: you're a likeable fella... get'em to like you
1855394;1538153847;Mocky;they seem keen on most new tech, and particularly comms tech
1855395;1538153859;mod6;cool, Mocky
1855396;1538153867;BingoBoingo;Mocky: Uruguay has a similar "freezone" system, gotta read the fine print
1855397;1538153885;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: iirc uy's cost mega-moolah
1855398;1538153910;Mocky;yeah, gotta find some people to talk to there
1855399;1538153946;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Uruguay's cost mega-moolah AND imports USG/EU pantsuitism absent on the other side of free-zone border wall
1855400;1538153976;asciilifeform;right, but iirc it was some outrageous sum, that made mircea_popescu's torpedo look economical
1855401;1538154029;Mocky;from appearances, qa version has similar "looks better to approvers if mega bucks will be invested" but also they are trying to 'silicon valley in Doha' so maybe some room at the 'bottom'
1855402;1538154081;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> right, but iirc it was some outrageous sum, that made mircea_popescu's torpedo look economical << Closets from 3kiloUSD monthly
1855403;1538154107;mod6;!!ledger
1855404;1538154111;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/zIYuA/?raw=true
1855405;1538154116;mod6;!!sent-invoices
1855406;1538154120;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/DQKGE/?raw=true
1855407;1538160441;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/09/pantsuit-drones-failing-to-qualify-for-pantsuit-loan-forgiveness-program/ << Qntra - Pantsuit Drones Failing To Qualify For Pantsuit Loan Forgiveness Program
1855408;1538161850;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: re the loans lulz -- i regularly wonder when they'll dispense with the pretense and finally herd the debtors into work gulag
1855409;1538161915;asciilifeform;( these already , not counting i suppose mircea_popescu's chix, cannot escape anywhere, the 'education' mutilated'em into permanent usaschwitz inmates )
1855410;1538165038;deedbot;http://bimbo.club/?p=32 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 9/23/2018
1855411;1538167063;asciilifeform;in other noose, BingoBoingo's crate seems to be moving
1855412;1538167155;mod6;hey hey!
1855413;1538167618;asciilifeform;ohai mircea_popescu !
1855414;1538167773;mircea_popescu;hey there.
1855415;1538168231;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-28#1855325 << i can see it.
1855416;1538168231;a111;Logged on 2018-09-28 15:13 asciilifeform: i for one would rather have no frag reassembly at all if writing ip stack. not only b/c complexity but also this.
1855417;1538168281;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-28#1855334 << link!
1855418;1538168281;a111;Logged on 2018-09-28 16:01 Mocky: old log threads appear to have mircea_popescu with hatred of UDP, which has meanwhile dissipated ?
1855419;1538168324;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: he was prolly thinking of the http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-30#1218223 threads
1855420;1538168324;a111;Logged on 2015-07-30 15:33 mircea_popescu: but yes, it was practically shown that a) no actual protection from ddos exists, outside of the ostrich method discussed above and b) udp is the key to this state of affairs.
1855421;1538168351;asciilifeform;( + http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-30#1218171 , and earlier )
1855422;1538168351;a111;Logged on 2015-07-30 15:22 mircea_popescu: atm, im blaming udp. and i would very much like to see it go away, right now.
1855423;1538168416;asciilifeform;udp is in fact quite popular for ddos, and the fragging mechanism that drags folx into supporting stateful reassembly is the major enabler there
1855424;1538168425;asciilifeform;( sans fragging, it's entirely stateless, like bare ip )
1855425;1538168540;asciilifeform;i grasp that sometimes cannot avoid stateful protocol, but the state belongs in the multi-opteron pc running the user proggy, not in the 32kB of misfortunate routers along the way
1855426;1538168588;asciilifeform;one of the dozen foundational idjicies of the arpa people , was permitting 'allcomers' to clog up routing tables with state.
1855427;1538168596;asciilifeform;it's what gives ddosism its teeth.
1855428;1538168767;asciilifeform;to mathematize : if the validity of a received datum can depend not only on past , but on ~future~ data, you have a 'to allcomers' ram giveaway. precisely like the 'orphanages' etc
1855429;1538168949;Mocky;mircea_popescu, 2015 thread including http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-30#1218061 http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-30#1218108 http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-30#1218171
1855430;1538168949;a111;Logged on 2015-07-30 14:41 mircea_popescu: udp is the problem atm.
1855431;1538168949;a111;Logged on 2015-07-30 15:08 mircea_popescu: and the general point is udp does not belong.
1855432;1538168949;a111;Logged on 2015-07-30 15:22 mircea_popescu: atm, im blaming udp. and i would very much like to see it go away, right now.
1855433;1538169090;*;asciilifeform brb,meat
1855434;1538169338;mircea_popescu;Mocky ah ah. this was all from pov of web though.
1855435;1538169394;mircea_popescu;"worst thing for trying to maintain websites is that udp exists"
1855436;1538169468;mircea_popescu;but, yes, alf has a point : meanwhile read up ~on tcp~. despaired.
1855437;1538169674;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-28#1855353 << actually the winning conjunction here is that a) rsa message size is capped and b) udp packets are capped at ~same size. this is rapidly becoming a case of 4096 bit keys and 2048 bit packets and sayonara.
1855438;1538169674;a111;Logged on 2018-09-28 16:15 Mocky: asciilifeform, O(1) crapolade packet rejection is already available in software with your FFA lib, if RSA over non-frag UDP was built on top, no?
1855439;1538170286;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in lulz, "* You are banned from this server- You have a host listed in the DroneBL. For more information," YEAR OLD listing in some obscure bs "database".
1855440;1538170288;mircea_popescu;frenode's teh shit.
1855441;1538170392;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-28#1855372 << ahahahaha. pigeoncustoms!
1855442;1538170392;a111;Logged on 2018-09-28 16:26 asciilifeform: i.e. you'd have to ship'em out of BingoBoingostan in boxes.
1855443;1538170494;Mocky;just need to breed strong pigeons that can carry 'return trip counterpart' plus payload
1855444;1538170535;mircea_popescu;could stack these infinitely.
1855445;1538170666;Mocky;BingoBoingo can get a new look: https://i.pinimg.com/736x/a5/cd/26/a5cd26499cb08068f1451decd0da257a.jpg
1855446;1538170698;mod6;Ace Bingo
1855447;1538171115;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz, managed to mount a "", which is now unmountable.
1855448;1538171283;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-28#1855391 << this is why you're even going.
1855449;1538171283;a111;Logged on 2018-09-28 16:56 Mocky: re: ice40 x250 and other projects: If I get a toe hold in Qatar, they have a 'free zone' to entice foreign R&D and tech startups which permits a new company to have 100% foreign owners, 0% tax on profits, duty free import/export. But requires them to like you and what you're trying to do.
1855450;1538171361;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-28#1855401 << fuck them. they have oddles of money they have no fucking clue what to do with. last fucking problem is taking money to qatar.
1855451;1538171361;a111;Logged on 2018-09-28 17:00 Mocky: from appearances, qa version has similar "looks better to approvers if mega bucks will be invested" but also they are trying to 'silicon valley in Doha' so maybe some room at the 'bottom'
1855452;1538171405;mircea_popescu;their problem is the population, consisting of a half black slaves, and the other half donkey fuckers, neither of which possessed of enough sense to come out of a paper bag if it rained scissors.
1855453;1538171423;mod6;lol
1855454;1538171489;mircea_popescu;and for all the arabic pretense, i'd be somewhat surprised if there's one guy in the whole country whose harem can toe to toe with mine.
1855455;1538171509;mircea_popescu;considering the fucktarded shah of brunei, even, had the most ridiculous problems with women vaguely reminiscent of us army grunt.
1855456;1538172484;BingoBoingo;Mocky: It is a possibilitit. The street dogs here are more reliable than many of the bipeds.
1855457;1538173202;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ain't brunei 7000km east...
1855458;1538173221;mircea_popescu;you mean geographically or culturally ?
1855459;1538173228;asciilifeform;strictly former
1855460;1538173233;asciilifeform;i think i get it tho
1855461;1538173235;mircea_popescu;yeah, south china sea
1855462;1538173267;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-28#1855437 << the headache is that a 4kb-key sig is ~4kb...
1855463;1538173267;a111;Logged on 2018-09-28 21:21 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-28#1855353 << actually the winning conjunction here is that a) rsa message size is capped and b) udp packets are capped at ~same size. this is rapidly becoming a case of 4096 bit keys and 2048 bit packets and sayonara.
1855464;1538173307;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no see, 4kb key, 4kb message consisting of 2kb plaintext and 2kb padding.
1855465;1538173365;mircea_popescu;but yes, the bojum is that with rsa you're always throwing away half the bandwidth.
1855466;1538173371;mircea_popescu;much like with bitcoin you're throwing away half the energy.
1855467;1538173389;mircea_popescu;the most serene republic of halvsies.
1855468;1538173506;BingoBoingo;Except when it comes to bipeds. Republic discards more than halvsies.
1855469;1538173647;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: even in naked (padless) rsa , sig is always of ~equal bitness to modulus
1855470;1538173667;asciilifeform;i know of no pill against this
1855471;1538173679;asciilifeform;( and pretty sure we had the thread )
1855472;1538173858;asciilifeform;( or see diana_coman's rsa walkthrough, http://ossasepia.com/2018/02/15/eucrypt-chapter-10-oaep-with-keccak-a-la-tmsr/ )
1855473;1538173877;asciilifeform;where 'result will *always* be a block of 4096 bits (512 octets). Each such resulting block can hold at most 1960 bits (245 octets) of the original message' etc
1855474;1538173990;asciilifeform;possibly i misread http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-28#1855464 , but gotta point out that the padding is not somehow separable from the message prior to decrypt, it is 'in' that final 4096bit output of the modexp
1855475;1538173990;a111;Logged on 2018-09-28 22:21 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no see, 4kb key, 4kb message consisting of 2kb plaintext and 2kb padding.
1855476;1538174036;asciilifeform;at any rate this is not particularly catastrophic , all you need is 512byte
1855477;1538174045;asciilifeform;which in so far as i can tell, doesn't frag.
1855478;1538174075;asciilifeform;( hence why i put that 512 as the initial guess for Payload_Size )
1855479;1538174149;mircea_popescu;right.
1855480;1538174151;asciilifeform;currently seems to me that nuffing below ~1400 actually frags on modern irons
1855481;1538174170;asciilifeform;so you could potentially even get away with signed-x-inside-encrypted-y
1855482;1538174184;asciilifeform;(~1kB)
1855483;1538174201;mircea_popescu;maybe what we want to do here is actually get 11936 bit keys, and forever 1492 byte udp.
1855484;1538174214;asciilifeform;heh if we had the giant fpga..
1855485;1538174259;asciilifeform;1492, 'sailed the oceans blue...'
1855486;1538174264;mircea_popescu;aha!
1855487;1538174266;Mocky;lel
1855488;1538174391;asciilifeform;btw i'll add that if you use raw ip, you 'win' 8 'phree' bytes ( that normally eaten by udp header )
1855489;1538174427;asciilifeform;gives you that http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1855126 # tho
1855490;1538174427;a111;Logged on 2018-09-27 23:56 asciilifeform discussed subj with asciilifeform's brother, who answered 'whaddayamean, what size packet, at $defunctgamesco we only ever used 1480, for decade, ideal'
1855491;1538174432;asciilifeform;( 20 eaten by ip hdr )
1855492;1538174546;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-28#1855439 << i found last night that ~nuffin from my old squirrelmail workhorse actually gets delivered any moar. prolly for this reason.
1855493;1538174546;a111;Logged on 2018-09-28 21:31 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in lulz, "* You are banned from this server- You have a host listed in the DroneBL. For more information," YEAR OLD listing in some obscure bs "database".
1855494;1538174570;asciilifeform;the jwzs destroyed emailism 100%.
1855495;1538174614;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the nonsense of keeping lists of enumerated badness that a) are obscure and b) are poorly maintained... srsly, random costa rican home ip ? these people live for what, 4 months in the same place ?
1855496;1538174650;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: pretty sure their actual objective was simply to herd the remaining folx who can't entirely get away from emailism, into the google/microshit corrals
1855497;1538174657;asciilifeform;~0 to do with spam in the usual sense.
1855498;1538174759;asciilifeform;i actually bothered to peek in the logs on that box, it gets confronted with ssl crapola handshakes from the receiver's end and evidently doesn't spit out the hitler-approved answer
1855499;1538174785;mircea_popescu;i don't recall how long it's been, but i've been happy enough emailess
1855500;1538174787;asciilifeform;( i dun have a corps of janissaries to fetch letters from hitler containing the ssl magic of-the-day )
1855501;1538174805;asciilifeform;well, knuth managed it
1855502;1538174813;mircea_popescu;i am not that old.
1855503;1538174817;asciilifeform;lesser mortals still stuck with occasional emailism
1855504;1538174832;asciilifeform;( e.g. to/from vendors )
1855505;1538174879;asciilifeform;e.g. most recently, BingoBoingo's customs crapolade
1855506;1538174902;*;BingoBoingo interacts with substantial emailisms navigating orc hoardes
1855507;1538174947;*;mircea_popescu appreciates.
1855508;1538174973;asciilifeform;could be worse, i suppose they could all have been on aol...
1855509;1538174990;asciilifeform;but email is rapidly converging to ~= aol
1855510;1538175040;BingoBoingo;I dunno how many orcmade systems you interact with, but regression from AOL seems common
1855511;1538175054;asciilifeform;y'mean ~to~ ?
1855512;1538175087;BingoBoingo;No, I mean descent from. There is still lower than AOL.
1855513;1538175101;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: where's lower than aol, nao i'm curious
1855514;1538175152;asciilifeform;( funnily enuff, the local telecom monopoly where i get me fiberz bought what remained of aol. so finally the ancient nightmare is in a sense troo, asciilifeform is 'subscribed to aol' )
1855515;1538175202;BingoBoingo;Well, the all time low of systems I interacted with is pre-Uruguay when I went to Southern Illinois University for my graduate philosophy stint. The independent university department had an interactive pdf web form everyone had to use to register for the sticker to keep their vehicles from getting kidnapped by University Parking.
1855516;1538175250;BingoBoingo;20,000 people including chosen urban youth, etc interacted with this system every year
1855517;1538175341;BingoBoingo;To be clear this isn't a pdf merely filled out from the pdf reader. It is filled out and interacts(maybe interacted) with their backend system from pdf reader.
1855518;1538175476;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/this-is-not-bdsm/ << Trilema - This is not BDSM.
1855519;1538181421;mod6;my eyes!
1855520;1538182089;mod6;BingoBoingo: lulzy
1855521;1538193005;mircea_popescu;http://summaries.logs.esthlos.com/#2018-09-22_1 << a denier of many plurious things lol
1855522;1538193061;*;mod6 looks
1855523;1538193110;mod6;lol 'mod6 survives...'
1855524;1538193174;mod6;how's it goin tonight mircea_popescu ?
1855525;1538193175;asciilifeform;gotta admit i like esthlos's summary page
1855526;1538193192;mod6;yeah, i do too
1855527;1538193226;mod6;and i kinda like there is competition here
1855528;1538193237;mod6;how goes asciilifeform ?
1855529;1538193304;*;mod6 is testing the phexdigit fix regrind
1855530;1538193317;mod6;and oiling weapons
1855531;1538193358;asciilifeform;mod6: lol funnily enuff metoo
1855532;1538193364;asciilifeform;bit of pest control work
1855533;1538193411;mod6;:]
1855534;1538194102;mircea_popescu;not bad!
1855535;1538194152;mod6;good to hear, Sir.
1855536;1538194317;mod6;I think you must have an iron stomach -- the ability to publish such specimens of humans and not barf outright.
1855537;1538194337;mod6;(maybe you did, who am i to judge. lol)
1855538;1538194451;*;mod6 nearly jumped into a bathtub with a toaster
1855539;1538194533;mod6;And it was her legs that got me, I think.
1855540;1538194547;*;mod6 pukes in a corner
1855541;1538194922;mod6;sweet, trb is done
1855542;1538194934;mod6;this thing -just works-.
1855543;1538194940;mod6;gotta love it
1855544;1538195310;mod6;I literally can load the entire block chain in like 8-9 days.
1855545;1538195321;mod6;-caneat is where it's at.
1855546;1538199024;mircea_popescu;ducks love eating vomit
1855547;1538199180;mod6;heheh
1855548;1538204298;mod6;does anyone here hunt ducks?
1855549;1538205358;mircea_popescu;mod6 http://thewhet.net/2018/09/the-appropriately-proportioned-ballad-of-chimichurri/ !!11
1855550;1538206423;*;mod6 looks
1855551;1538206634;mod6;I like this duck with his dubloons.  may his wings carry him swift, and his feet paddle him apt.
1855552;1538209189;mircea_popescu;idoubt it'll ever fly, domestic duck as it is.
1855553;1538209197;mircea_popescu;but plox not to hunt anyways, ty!
1855554;1538234521;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> but plox not to hunt anyways, ty! << Excellent use of WoT. Ensuring particular duck lives.
1855555;1538239460;BingoBoingo;And in the Encouraging News department: Trump can win in Uruguayo Courts Too! https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/quedo-sin-efecto-demanda-laboral-en-uruguay-contra-los-trump-201892912227
1855556;1538251516;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-29#1855554 << bwhahaha.
1855557;1538251516;a111;Logged on 2018-09-29 15:22 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> but plox not to hunt anyways, ty! << Excellent use of WoT. Ensuring particular duck lives.
1855558;1538251617;deedbot;http://bimbo.club/?p=33 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 9/24/2018
1855559;1538251976;asciilifeform;ohai mircea_popescu
1855560;1538256000;asciilifeform;ACHTUNG, panzers ! trb node zoolag will be down for approx 20min for experimental patch bringup, starting 5min from nao.
1855561;1538258371;mircea_popescu;how goes.
1855562;1538259014;asciilifeform;grr jurov , 'Signature verification on clearsigned text failed, discarding. Review the message in your sent mail folder for wordwrap or similar mutilations of clearsigned text.'
1855563;1538259020;asciilifeform;and i used the www box !!
1855564;1538259078;asciilifeform;hrm, pasting the txt worked...
1855565;1538259084;asciilifeform;ACHTUNG, panzers!!! http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-September/000312.html << .
1855566;1538259188;asciilifeform;!Q later tell phf plox to snarf http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-September/000312.html and the predecessor ( mod6's http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-September/000311.html ) into 'experimental'
1855567;1538259189;lobbesbot;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1855568;1538259382;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: item's been on conveyor for a while, will be interesting to shed some light on who's hero and who's zero.
1855569;1538259414;asciilifeform;currently live on zoolag.
1855570;1538259436;mircea_popescu;nb
1855571;1538259549;asciilifeform;prolly oughta also print the peer version hdrs, but that can go in the regrind.
1855572;1538259561;asciilifeform;currently not so hard to see who is 1 of us and who not
1855573;1538259630;asciilifeform;this experiment will work 9000x better once there's several trb folx other than asciilifeform doing it, cuz learning 'block x came from... this-here trb noad' dun tell me much, it'd be useful to know where ~he~ got it, etc
1855574;1538259685;asciilifeform;prelude to actually rebaking the coad that does the address-collectin' (so to prefer folx who actually supply blox, to the dead weight people )
1855575;1538259804;asciilifeform;i'ma post some   grep ProcessBlock debug.log > whogave.txt   once it runs for a spell.
1855576;1538259981;asciilifeform;imho set of addrs advertised actively with peers oughta consist solely of 1) people noad operator manually -addnode'd + 2) peers who actually sent in valid blox in recent past
1855577;1538259987;asciilifeform;( see linked thread. )
1855578;1538260050;asciilifeform;right nao this set consists 99.999....+% of rando liquishit.
1855579;1538260113;asciilifeform;for nao -- simply log'em.
1855580;1538260243;mircea_popescu;the one useful thing here would be to get trb properly ground already.
1855581;1538260256;mircea_popescu;the current situation is unseemly.
1855582;1538260283;asciilifeform;i'ma guess it's on mod6's conveyor already.
1855583;1538260413;mircea_popescu;mod6 you on it ?
1855584;1538260483;*;asciilifeform bbl:meat
1855585;1538261097;mircea_popescu;meanwhiel in other soviet art, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/Lincoln_Douglas_Debates_1958_issue-4c.jpg
1855586;1538261284;mod6;hi!
1855587;1538261289;*;mod6 reads the log 
1855588;1538261409;mod6;asciilifeform: ah cool, thank for the post.  I'll read/try it when I get a chance.
1855589;1538261418;mod6;Probably sometime here past month-end.
1855590;1538261445;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in famous speeches,
1855591;1538261448;mircea_popescu;"I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbi
1855592;1538261449;mircea_popescu;d the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And in as much as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied
1855593;1538261449;mircea_popescu; everything. I do not understand that because I do not want a negro woman for a slave I must necessarily want her for a wife. My understanding is that I can just let her alone."
1855594;1538261453;mircea_popescu;(a. lincoln)
1855595;1538261459;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> the one useful thing here would be to get trb properly ground already. << I'm probably not going to do this until there is a vtron that supports keccak.
1855596;1538261488;mod6;I want users to be able to get a vtron, as they do now, with v.pl, then build trb in very much the same way they are able to today.
1855597;1538261501;trinque;eh this is no reason to completely halt trb progress meanwhile
1855598;1538261522;mod6;Why would it be halted?
1855599;1538261534;mod6;I've been working on it quite a bit.
1855600;1538261536;trinque;I have patches myself which are sitting on the sideline waiting for the manifest, which I was under the impression you're working on
1855601;1538261553;mod6;No, the manifest was published last week, trinque.
1855602;1538261565;trinque;ah! great! sorry, I missed that
1855603;1538261571;mod6;Well, there was some issue with the ML message going through, but it's up now.
1855604;1538261579;trinque;got it.
1855605;1538261594;mod6;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-September/000311.html
1855606;1538261629;mod6;I've even got another vpatch I'm about to submit too.  Was testing it lastnight, in fact.
1855607;1538261650;trinque;lovely, I'll have to dust off my wallet excision patch and submit too
1855608;1538261664;trinque;^ not intended for mainline, specific-use branch.
1855609;1538261699;mod6;Anyway, TRB will live on as SHA512 hashes in vpatches until there is a very clean way to switch.  For The Foundation, the switch needs to be very seemless for newbs.
1855610;1538262705;asciilifeform;trinque: manifest is done, i built on it in the experimental item linked earlier
1855611;1538262733;*;trinque sees, was searching for whether not being able to download attachments from ML also slipped by him
1855612;1538262747;asciilifeform;speaking of which, thus far nearly all of zoolag's valid new blox came from one 149.56.19.79
1855613;1538262774;trinque;lolnope, cannot download attachments.
1855614;1538262794;asciilifeform;trinque: they load fine here... do you get eggog ?
1855615;1538262803;trinque;I'm getting a cloudfront error!
1855616;1538262808;asciilifeform;?!!
1855617;1538262812;asciilifeform;jurov : ??
1855618;1538262827;asciilifeform;jurov: srsly, cloudfront ?!
1855619;1538262830;mod6;trinque: are you having trouble with the ML?
1855620;1538262860;mod6;that's weird.  it was working better, or so I thought :/
1855621;1538262869;asciilifeform;mod6: i thought it was moved to pizarro ?!
1855622;1538262879;asciilifeform;where the fuck is that thing hosted ?
1855623;1538262961;mod6;I'm not sure where the mailman front end is hosted.
1855624;1538262978;mod6;The archive part was moved to the foundation
1855625;1538262989;mod6;'s box at Pizarro.
1855626;1538262991;asciilifeform;mod6: so why is it physically possible for trinque to see cloudfront ?!
1855627;1538262997;mod6;(at least, I thought so)
1855628;1538263005;mod6;asciilifeform: I dunno.
1855629;1538263012;trinque;161.0.121.248 << this appears to be the pizarro box, eh?
1855630;1538263016;asciilifeform;yes
1855631;1538263017;mod6;jurov: Can you give us an update on all of the above ^?
1855632;1538263025;asciilifeform;trinque: are you behind some peculiar heathen firewall or wat
1855633;1538263029;trinque;per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-01#1846502
1855634;1538263029;a111;Logged on 2018-09-01 13:13 jurov: Till I set up everything, static mirror of btc-dev mailing list will be here: http://161.0.121.248/ml/btc-dev/
1855635;1538263046;*;asciilifeform brb,meat
1855636;1538263051;trinque;asciilifeform: what do you have for curl 'http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20180923/mod6_excise_hash_truncation.vpatch?sha1=9abdb060135507152b9a5c7c3b8b98966266c5bd'
1855637;1538263087;trinque;curling instead with the IP works fine over here
1855638;1538263110;trinque;so appears on my end that yes, thing referenced by that domain is on aws
1855639;1538263138;mod6;i seem to be able to curl that url above, np.
1855640;1538263183;trinque;now I can as well.
1855641;1538263190;mod6;weird
1855642;1538263367;trinque;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/bjyXE/?raw=true << not so weird, these all point to cloudfront, amazon's cdn thing
1855643;1538263396;trinque;that will serve the item if it has it cached, or will otherwise request from the backend, which is apparently faulty
1855644;1538263434;mircea_popescu;* About to connect() to therealbitcoin.org port 80 (#0)
1855645;1538263434;mircea_popescu;*   Trying 52.85.74.232... connected
1855646;1538263457;mircea_popescu;ie, amazon isp.
1855647;1538263499;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-29#1855609 << what newbs are these ? the sort of newbs that press from v but not have keccak ?
1855648;1538263499;a111;Logged on 2018-09-29 22:54 mod6: Anyway, TRB will live on as SHA512 hashes in vpatches until there is a very clean way to switch.  For The Foundation, the switch needs to be very seemless for newbs.
1855649;1538263523;mircea_popescu;seems to me the only kind of newb this is is a very old hand determined to sabotage the process. newbs will just take the state of the art.
1855650;1538263574;mircea_popescu;now that we're done with alf's wrecking of the naming convention, gotta deal with mod6 's wrecking of the historical flow ? keccak isn't some fucking optional package on top of mainline usg-provided sha.
1855651;1538263585;mircea_popescu;sha was never fucking mainline. it was an accidental ad-hoc-ism.
1855652;1538263639;mircea_popescu;only existed there AT ALL because nobody cared what is there at some indistinct point in the past.
1855653;1538263740;mod6;I'm not saying that we shouldn't move to keccak, just would ideally have a tool that supports it.
1855654;1538263784;trinque;which incidentally is a great segue to hey esthlos, when am I getting such a thing with which to cuntoo?
1855655;1538263804;trinque;would also take a phf item, if v.py is ready to roll with vtools
1855656;1538263805;mod6;If you want this done asap, can work towards creating vpatches that have keccak.
1855657;1538263867;mod6;And I don't think I'm try to wreck anything by being methodical.
1855658;1538263873;mircea_popescu;i'd much prefer not to see a flood of sha patches seeing how http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-19#1851879 had to exist because "apparently not aware".
1855659;1538263873;a111;Logged on 2018-09-19 17:47 mircea_popescu: but anyway : NO NEW WORK ON SHA PLOX. USE KECCAK.
1855660;1538263929;mod6;Alright.
1855661;1538263931;phf;(i'm not up to date with log) trinque: i can post a patched v.py that works with vtools, i have some free time sunday evening to prep it up
1855662;1538263931;lobbesbot;phf: Sent 1 hour and 19 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> plox to snarf http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-September/000312.html and the predecessor ( mod6's http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-September/000311.html ) into 'experimental'
1855663;1538263942;mircea_popescu;considering the rate of new work on trb approximates epsilon for the march-september interval, it seems to me entirely bullshit, this manufactured problem of "oh, we have no way to contribute because no working keccak".
1855664;1538263962;mircea_popescu;for one thing -- make the fucking thing, and for the other thing -- last month "oh, we have no way to contribute because -- summer days".
1855665;1538264000;mod6;I certainly wasn't held back by no keccak.  Who said that?
1855666;1538264027;mod6;Only thing I've been held back by is lack of time as I've been way overwhelemed by all of the Pizarro work.
1855667;1538264053;mod6;It should get better now that BingoBoingo has taken over management duites.
1855668;1538264066;mod6;*duties
1855669;1538264086;mod6;Anyway, if someone wants to take over my role at the foundation, please let me know.
1855670;1538264099;mircea_popescu;i won't even say anything about any of that, seeing how http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-27#1830030 and so on.
1855671;1538264099;a111;Logged on 2018-06-27 00:27 mircea_popescu: does the thing have salespeople / funnel up yet ?
1855672;1538264127;mircea_popescu;but as far as the foundation is concerned -- if all it does (ALL IT DOES!!!) is stand up to tell me "oh, we can't follow the keccak because reasons" ima put an end to it in short order.
1855673;1538264179;mod6;I actually would have figured you'd want me to ensure a smooth transition with the correct tooling.  Not jump into something before we're ready.
1855674;1538264193;mircea_popescu;not even entirely sure what precisely we'd be missing if there was no foundation at all, right off.
1855675;1538264219;mod6;Alright.  If we disband it, what do we do with the coins?
1855676;1538264336;mircea_popescu;exact same as so far, i reckon. winge and whinge and wring our wrists and worry about it.
1855677;1538264377;mod6;I didn't mean to piss ya off with my comments above, Sir.
1855678;1538264405;mod6;Maybe it is time to give someone else a turn at the helm of the Foundation, or move to not have a foundaiton at all.
1855679;1538264421;mircea_popescu;nevermind the pissing off, that's not the issue. this foundation item, it got a nest egg from me, and some more donations from other people back in the day. it didn't manage to turn these into either a growing stream of more donations or a growing stream of activity.
1855680;1538264447;mod6;This is true, I kicked in 10 BTC of my own, even.
1855681;1538264453;mircea_popescu;it is exactly what it was in its first week, a nomina nuda, bare name, with no more life to it acquired meanwhile than what it starded with. a flying brick.
1855682;1538264468;mircea_popescu;we can kick it as high as we want, no wings, no life.
1855683;1538264514;mircea_popescu;if i have to run a balance sheet putting the active on one side and passive=delayed-keccak-adoption on the other side, it's coming out in the red as it stands.
1855684;1538264603;mod6;*nod8
1855685;1538264729;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-29#1855636 << displays the expected payload, trinque
1855686;1538264729;a111;Logged on 2018-09-29 23:17 trinque: asciilifeform: what do you have for curl 'http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20180923/mod6_excise_hash_truncation.vpatch?sha1=9abdb060135507152b9a5c7c3b8b98966266c5bd'
1855687;1538264753;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-29#1855642 << ffs! why!!!!
1855688;1538264753;a111;Logged on 2018-09-29 23:22 trinque: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/bjyXE/?raw=true << not so weird, these all point to cloudfront, amazon's cdn thing
1855689;1538264758;asciilifeform;jurov wtf
1855690;1538264779;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform only displays that if cloudflare decides to proxy it.
1855691;1538264798;asciilifeform;yea but wtf! why does he have a liquishitflare in there !
1855692;1538264801;asciilifeform;who asked for this!
1855693;1538264809;asciilifeform;cuz it wasn't asciilifeform
1855694;1538264825;mircea_popescu;what do you get if you dig therealbitcoin.org ?
1855695;1538264858;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/r0Xxq/?raw=true
1855696;1538264867;asciilifeform;and that dun look like pizarro !
1855697;1538264871;mircea_popescu;100% amazon.
1855698;1538264875;asciilifeform;darkest africa.
1855699;1538264898;mircea_popescu;which w/e, i recall this was the case a while back, cheap instance or w/e.
1855700;1538264904;mircea_popescu;ie, not news to me.
1855701;1538264923;asciilifeform;yea but thing was down for week+ , was nominally getting moved into civilized white man hosting
1855702;1538264932;mircea_popescu;i dunno.
1855703;1538264933;asciilifeform;and i was under impression that this was declared done
1855704;1538264934;trinque;you actually have to set up the dork CDN in front of it yourself though
1855705;1538264972;mod6;Yeah, I thought the thing was fixed and the archives were moved, too.  But may have been mistaken.
1855706;1538265001;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-29#1855663 << i'ma hold off on further patches, even experimentals, until regrind, if mircea_popescu says 'hold'
1855707;1538265001;a111;Logged on 2018-09-29 23:32 mircea_popescu: considering the rate of new work on trb approximates epsilon for the march-september interval, it seems to me entirely bullshit, this manufactured problem of "oh, we have no way to contribute because no working keccak".
1855708;1538265025;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-29#1855658 << this is fair
1855709;1538265025;a111;Logged on 2018-09-29 23:31 mircea_popescu: i'd much prefer not to see a flood of sha patches seeing how http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-19#1851879 had to exist because "apparently not aware".
1855710;1538265037;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-29#1855661 << pleez post
1855711;1538265037;a111;Logged on 2018-09-29 23:32 phf: (i'm not up to date with log) trinque: i can post a patched v.py that works with vtools, i have some free time sunday evening to prep it up
1855712;1538265053;asciilifeform;nuffin is won by waiting, phf
1855713;1538265126;mircea_popescu;we won't die till sunday.
1855714;1538265141;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i disagree, btw, that 'epsilon', march-current is when the aggression thing was deployed & tested to exhaustion, and gave proper ~realtime block propagation for 1st time since trb birth
1855715;1538265166;asciilifeform;it is only in heathendom that 'work' equals 'massive flood of coad'
1855716;1538265170;mircea_popescu;you're right, i'm just pissy.
1855717;1538265196;asciilifeform;i dun blame mircea_popescu for pissy, current state of affairs is bad for blood pressure unequivocably
1855718;1538265216;mircea_popescu;besides, shit's gotta get a critical look now and again, can't be all happy roses permanently.
1855719;1538265245;asciilifeform;without mircea_popescu's occasional bout of 'wtf, people, from where do you hands grow' we'dve sunk long ago imho
1855720;1538265334;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-29#1855679 << heathendom is fulla parasites who are happy to use bitcoin without contributing so much as a farthing to keeping the 1 and only working client going, noose at 11
1855721;1538265334;a111;Logged on 2018-09-29 23:40 mircea_popescu: nevermind the pissing off, that's not the issue. this foundation item, it got a nest egg from me, and some more donations from other people back in the day. it didn't manage to turn these into either a growing stream of more donations or a growing stream of activity.
1855722;1538265369;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-29#1855681 << the piggy afaik does thus far exactly what it was needed for, which is to pay for civilized hosting so the patches even have where to sit. imho anyffing on top of this is bonus.
1855723;1538265369;a111;Logged on 2018-09-29 23:40 mircea_popescu: it is exactly what it was in its first week, a nomina nuda, bare name, with no more life to it acquired meanwhile than what it starded with. a flying brick.
1855724;1538265420;asciilifeform;and yes i'd luvv as much as errybody else if a battallion of civilized folx were to materialize out of somewhere and donate, or even run nodes. but they are evidently scarce, mircea_popescu beat the subject of 'sane people ~extinct' just about todeath
1855725;1538265499;asciilifeform;this being said, hey hey ho ho crapflare has gotta go !! jurov !!
1855726;1538265514;mircea_popescu;i dunno that we've exaustively tried that angle, nor do i think we must drop everything and try etc. we're currently well invested, i'm not protesting it.
1855727;1538265542;mircea_popescu;the issue however, is that if mod6 does all the work he does ~as mod6 ~ or as ~the chair of bitcoin foundation~ in the end makes little difference, it's still the exact same work.
1855728;1538265552;mircea_popescu;maybe with some extra overhead he conceivably doesn'\t even need, in the latter case.
1855729;1538265618;asciilifeform;iirc we did the 'civilized' thing where chair is 1 d00d, treasurer -- another, there's at least a nominal procedure for handover, etc , mircea_popescu suggested it and asciilifeform et al saw it as Right Thing
1855730;1538265660;asciilifeform;sorta a raid5, theoretically supposed to help the participants' life expectancy
1855731;1538265667;mircea_popescu;hey, whole republic is built out of trying out the civilised things various empires came up with. some fruit better than others.
1855732;1538265668;asciilifeform;( enemy wins less from taking out 1 )
1855733;1538265707;mircea_popescu;it's not directly evident to me that foundation as it currently stands is factually more than a permanent drain on mod6 's worktime.
1855734;1538265731;asciilifeform;mod6 : how much time approximately ~does~ it burn ?
1855735;1538265742;asciilifeform;mod6: and wouldja rather be doing sumthing else ?
1855736;1538265763;mircea_popescu;this question is confounded, because he does a lot of copyediting and general maintenance for all sorts of work that'd have to be done anyway,
1855737;1538265775;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu : pretty much erry worthwhile thing can be rewritten as 'permanent burn' of ~somebody~
1855738;1538265823;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: currently not clear to me how there'd be less work if trb were 'mod6 proj' instaed of 'foundation'
1855739;1538265832;mircea_popescu;in principle. but our values are very much in the vein of debirocratization, after all. somehow i fear it's more of a haskellism than anything.
1855740;1538265855;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dunno, hard to evaluate for me.
1855741;1538265874;asciilifeform;is why i left the q for mod6 .
1855742;1538265905;mod6;<+asciilifeform> mod6 : how much time approximately ~does~ it burn ? <<  I'm not even sure I can put a number on it exactly.  I put a lot of time in.  It's a huge responsibility.
1855743;1538265906;mircea_popescu;i kinda have in the back of my mind this impression that poor shane's ended up stuck with a large number of loose ends to juggle.
1855744;1538265929;mod6;<+asciilifeform> mod6: and wouldja rather be doing sumthing else ? << Yeah, I think four years is enough, I think someone else should take over.
1855745;1538265937;mircea_popescu;mod6 is it a major source of unhappiness and anxiety in your life ?
1855746;1538265940;mod6;Fresh ideas, new enthusiasm, etc.
1855747;1538265957;mod6;mircea_popescu: not at all.  I'm proud to do the work.
1855748;1538265958;asciilifeform;mod6: ftr i'm 100% satisfied with your work as trb chair
1855749;1538265971;asciilifeform;and imho last thing trb needs is '9000 new idea'
1855750;1538265983;mircea_popescu;are you practically solo chair these days or do you hold meetings with ben_vulpes and so on ?
1855751;1538266004;asciilifeform;( imho -- it's a preservation proj , to keep the thing going until trbi etc )
1855752;1538266014;mod6;I used to collaborate much more with the man, but he's been afk for quite some time.
1855753;1538266033;mod6;asciilifeform: Correct.
1855754;1538266047;mircea_popescu;mod6 do you want to name someone to join into the chairdom ?
1855755;1538266107;mod6;Overall, yes.  I think we need to determine if the entire thing is worthwhile.
1855756;1538266126;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform iirc it was kinda chartered with carte blanche, "do whatever, just do". the way history flew it worked out as a sort of "holder of trb project" pretty much yes.
1855757;1538266168;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: imho thing's quite key to the practicality of errything else we do.
1855758;1538266178;mod6;People contribute, and do things.  It would be very nice to have more consistant help with testing and other things.  It hasn't been too bad just doing it myself, but with Pizarro in the picture (esepcially when was acting manager), having to do it all was hard.
1855759;1538266181;mircea_popescu;i mean, let's not get too anachronistic, most of the things that are "forever held true and known" today have been invented last wednesday ; at the time tbf was invented, none of the notions of collaboration meanwhile spawned out of v usage were even apprehended. not even a glimmer in the lords' eyes...
1855760;1538266208;asciilifeform;without rock-solid trb, there is no bitcoin , at least not in any shape i'd particularly care to be connected with.
1855761;1538266243;mircea_popescu;let http://qntra.net/2018/09/power-rangers-inserted-inflation-bug-into-core-bitcoin-network-client-in-2016/ be remembered here.
1855762;1538266258;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: birth of trb was 100% powered by 'muscle-powered v' of gpg-signed patches, recall.
1855763;1538266262;asciilifeform;so directly ~produced~ v.
1855764;1538266281;mircea_popescu;yup.
1855765;1538266366;*;asciilifeform successfully, if painfully, dissuaded the participants from regressing into heathendom versiontronics
1855766;1538266394;asciilifeform;with substantial help of mircea_popescu , mod6
1855767;1538266429;mod6;I think trinque would be a great candidate for Foundation Co-Chair.  (As I've said before).
1855768;1538266440;asciilifeform;imho tbf is the single most productive collaboration we've had here to date, without exaggeration
1855769;1538266465;asciilifeform;( and, to date, at very little cost, at least if measured coinwise )
1855770;1538266490;asciilifeform;mod6: i concur with the nomination
1855771;1538266496;mircea_popescu;certainly it has that advantage, which no pantsuit item ever could point to, of being VERY conservativewly run and as a result decent roi through keeping denominator down.
1855772;1538266507;mircea_popescu;trinque that sound like something you'd wanna do ?
1855773;1538267034;trinque;as it stands the deedbot wallet project is a hand-cranked charity I run, really want to see that thing move towards paid subscription services before I take on something else.
1855774;1538267069;trinque;folks are also going to expect cuntoo leadership out of me shortly.
1855775;1538267079;asciilifeform;trinque: do you have a subscription model in the works ?
1855776;1538267096;trinque;yes, hot-wallet will be a subscription service
1855777;1538267138;asciilifeform;trinque: i.e. the item currently in use, where !!pay x y ?
1855778;1538267182;trinque;no, recall I move my arse to a printer and hand crank all !!withdraw currently
1855779;1538267187;asciilifeform;aa!
1855780;1538267277;trinque;beyond hot-wallet-subscription, notions of trb-as-a-service sit, for in-WoT developers that want highly available programming interfaces to a trb fleet
1855781;1538267340;asciilifeform;to date i haven't conceived of how to make trb into a subscription service ( my 1 attempt at the problem was the 'wires' item ) but this should not discourage others
1855782;1538267584;trinque;first thing is to define what the foundation is. steward of patches/seals, ML, yes, what else?
1855783;1538267601;trinque;would like ben_vulpes to chime in here too.
1855784;1538267660;asciilifeform;there's a http://thebitcoin.foundation/charter.html
1855785;1538267681;asciilifeform;so possibly ought to be starting point, and if need clarification, to then ask mod6 / ben_vulpes .
1855786;1538268387;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855775 << was the whole idea, hence http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-17#1850988
1855787;1538268387;a111;Logged on 2018-09-30 00:24 asciilifeform: trinque: do you have a subscription model in the works ?
1855788;1538268387;a111;Logged on 2018-09-17 19:24 mircea_popescu: trinque is this something you'd be interested in doing ? expand deedbot thusly, maybe charge chans a fee ?
1855789;1538268418;mircea_popescu;but the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855774 point is sound, guy's gonna have a lot on his plate.
1855790;1538268418;a111;Logged on 2018-09-30 00:24 trinque: folks are also going to expect cuntoo leadership out of me shortly.
1855791;1538268432;mircea_popescu;is there any objection to this, incidentally ? letting trinque be a sort of one man cuntoo foundation ?
1855792;1538268570;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855782 << no, it's deliberately open ended. let board pick what to do an' do it.
1855793;1538268570;a111;Logged on 2018-09-30 00:33 trinque: first thing is to define what the foundation is. steward of patches/seals, ML, yes, what else?
1855794;1538268641;mircea_popescu;and that charter is pretty cool!
1855795;1538269222;ben_vulpes;yeah who even wrote that thing :P
1855796;1538269295;ben_vulpes;by and large i saw the responsibility to ensure that the reference bitcoin client source stayed available to the republic, although at the time i recall a more "to everyone" flavor in my own thinking.
1855797;1538269430;ben_vulpes;for that reason, largely only spending cash on hosting services. recently also a few hardware nodes. it creates work for mod6 in the vein of the monthly reports. perhaps a nutty suggestion, but it could cleanly be wound down (the charter modified), and mod6 to continue the monthly reports on his blog.
1855798;1538269459;ben_vulpes;this has the advantage of aligning tbf with how things actually work in the republic, as driven forward by the hands of those doing the work.
1855799;1538269492;ben_vulpes;it also carves off an unsightly imho pantsuit wart upon the side of the republic, a "non-profit organization" with names and caftans etc.
1855800;1538269627;ben_vulpes;(elsewhere, saws buzz, coats of poly are applied, a decade of life-dross triaged and arrangements made to ship the most-valued and useful posessions across the continent continue...)
1855801;1538269977;trinque;yeh, this is why I prefer strapping myself to a business requirement for trb working well, rather than joining up on TBF
1855802;1538271102;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: imho there is nuffin pantsuit at all about it, and it worked a+++ for entire 4y it's been around.
1855803;1538271140;asciilifeform;otoh whether to work it is entirely board's, i.e. mod6 & ben_vulpes decision, not mine, i am not on tbf board
1855804;1538271180;asciilifeform;but ftr i would see death of tbf as a substantial republican defeat
1855805;1538271191;asciilifeform;it dun need, imho, any 'fixing'.
1855806;1538271196;esthlos;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-29#1855654 << hey trinque, I plan to have this for you by the end of the weekend. hope that works
1855807;1538271196;a111;Logged on 2018-09-29 23:29 trinque: which incidentally is a great segue to hey esthlos, when am I getting such a thing with which to cuntoo?
1855808;1538271236;trinque;roger that
1855809;1538271258;ben_vulpes;did what, as far as mod6 and i could tell, it needed to.
1855810;1538271452;esthlos;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1855058 << as to this, the initial release (this weekend) will use gnupatch. I tried to design the thing so that I can swap out the patcher for my own afterwords. eventually my own mcilroy should make its way in.
1855811;1538271452;a111;Logged on 2018-09-27 17:49 asciilifeform: esthlos's thing calls to gnupatch ?! ugh
1855812;1538271612;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855796 << to the extent ( and it is a ~substantial~ extent ) that a healthy btc net relies on ~widely~ available sane client, incl yes even for miners, to limit in any way the distribution of trb src is imho catastrophically stupid idea.
1855813;1538271612;a111;Logged on 2018-09-30 01:01 ben_vulpes: by and large i saw the responsibility to ensure that the reference bitcoin client source stayed available to the republic, although at the time i recall a more "to everyone" flavor in my own thinking.
1855814;1538271833;asciilifeform;and incidentally the orig funding model, in case folx forgot, is http://thebitcoin.foundation/declaration.txt
1855815;1538271836;ben_vulpes;inner popscu suggests "what, as if its used by anyone outside the republic anyways? if joe blow wants a sane client (which republicans should be mentioning in their blogs etc), he can join the republic and ask for the vpatches." but perhaps i'm undercalibrated.
1855816;1538271869;asciilifeform;the tithe. ( yes problem that currently nobody's raking in megacoinz and has what to tithe. but the principle is sound. )
1855817;1538271903;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: if heathendom drifts far enuff into prbism, as things are currently we're blockless
1855818;1538271936;asciilifeform;this is not one of the items where we can say to all of heathendom to fuckoff.
1855819;1538271964;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: 'ecological' problem.
1855820;1538272023;asciilifeform;the continued convertibility of btc into saecular goods, e.g. rack space, is not separable from healthy 'ecology' sadly.
1855821;1538272294;asciilifeform;and yes if there were some magical way to get errybody who benefits from tbf and ergo working btc net, to put into the piggy, it'd be splendid, thing could fund even such things as flotillae of noads, or even trbi dev, etc, whoknows. but there is no magic. and it is a lucky thing that tbf in fact has the coin with which to do the bare minimum and host patches ( not on shitazon! jurov ! ) and handful of reliable nodes.
1855822;1538272520;ben_vulpes;i do not advocate that tbf hide the sauce away, dun fear
1855823;1538272549;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i'm genuinely curious if i'm missing something subtle .
1855824;1538272629;asciilifeform;the heart of the matter is that nobody cancelled http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/ theorem.
1855825;1538272751;asciilifeform;can't replace the thing with 'republic only' trbi , not without some yet-unfathomed breakthrough, or, idk, if mircea_popescu takes over brazil, or, whoknows, catastrophic chernobyl that fully demolishes the classical btc net
1855826;1538272934;ben_vulpes;mm, i didn't mean to suggest 'republic only' trb net. it is however a pretty sane client for the extant network, and perhaps there is value in gating access to such a gem from teh hoi polloi. what with trinque's impending hotwallet patches and his demonstration of their value with trb services, the gem will become only of more value.
1855827;1538273109;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: it's already pretty much as 'gated' as anyhing gets, already to build it heathen must just about change religions
1855828;1538273148;asciilifeform;and yes at least 1 cretin 'stole' trb. what did it get him.
1855829;1538273151;ben_vulpes;so then what loss? if heathen has changed religion what are they doing out of church
1855830;1538273168;ben_vulpes;is there some fetlife for nerds funnel under optimization?
1855831;1538273220;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i see no gain from putting any obstacle in front of anyone, heathen, chinese, martian, good, evil, who wants to run trb .
1855832;1538273304;asciilifeform;if idjit breaks it, he can do no harm thereby that prb does not already do; if he runs a valid node, it contributes to strength of the net.
1855833;1538273417;asciilifeform;whereas when somebody throws coin into a prb wallet, for any reason whatsoever, whether because he is idjit or because we made it harder to avoid, that's coin into usg coffers.
1855834;1538273494;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855796 << i think this narrowed down over time in everyone's mind, as the shocking incapacity of "the everyone" to step up to the plate became ever more enshrined in experience.
1855835;1538273494;a111;Logged on 2018-09-30 01:01 ben_vulpes: by and large i saw the responsibility to ensure that the reference bitcoin client source stayed available to the republic, although at the time i recall a more "to everyone" flavor in my own thinking.
1855836;1538273514;*;mircea_popescu certainly was informed by a lot more "for everyone" pov five or ten years ago.
1855837;1538273585;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: as for 'premium' noad access, recall how the mircea_popescu 'trbi' thread was born. ( classical btc offers no sweet pill for how to reward node operators. any attempt to charge for 'gets mined faster' inevitably reduces to a game the miners can themselves win, cutting out middlemen )
1855838;1538273586;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855799 << twasn't obvious it is substantially a wart. i mean, if we end up cutting off everything the pantsuit attempt or attempterd historically to steal the trappings of, we'd be left without words.
1855839;1538273586;a111;Logged on 2018-09-30 01:04 ben_vulpes: it also carves off an unsightly imho pantsuit wart upon the side of the republic, a "non-profit organization" with names and caftans etc.
1855840;1538273677;ben_vulpes;on the thread of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855797, upon meditation, tbf was willing to host kids' projects at various points. didn't, in the case of lobbes, because he didn't take funding. kids ever-declining cost next to tbfs kitty inclines me to continue considering these projects.
1855841;1538273677;a111;Logged on 2018-09-30 01:03 ben_vulpes: for that reason, largely only spending cash on hosting services. recently also a few hardware nodes. it creates work for mod6 in the vein of the monthly reports. perhaps a nutty suggestion, but it could cleanly be wound down (the charter modified), and mod6 to continue the monthly reports on his blog.
1855842;1538273684;mircea_popescu;i suppose in a sense it's very much a question come to fore, "wtf is foundation actually expected to do". i know for myself it very much is expected to not do anything like hinder keccak adoption, but this seems both a small and a remote point.
1855843;1538273764;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes the seed funding it provided for pizarro for instance seems a very legitimate approach, "if your project has merit you get a little bit from foundation, helps other people commit." this works well in pantsuitlands too, but i suspect because it;s sound objectively.
1855844;1538273782;ben_vulpes;"ensure access to the mainline set of patches" was the best i ever came up with for an operating thesis.
1855845;1538273794;mircea_popescu;why does access need to be ensured ?
1855846;1538273804;ben_vulpes;heh see thread with asciilifeform
1855847;1538273839;mircea_popescu;i mean, take trilema. it's the job of http://trilema.com/2018/fetlife-the-next-derperation/ morons to a) find it ; b) read it and c) change their lives to fit ; on their own time and on their own dime. it's not fucking trilema's job to "ensure" a b or c for the morons in question.
1855848;1538273847;mircea_popescu;what's this "ensuring" in the end ?
1855849;1538273933;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855843 << absolutely. however i see risk of a tendency to 'lender of last resort' misbehaviors if unchecked (by whom?! forum clearly. which you address in your point re not throwing out everything the pantsuits touch.)
1855850;1538273933;a111;Logged on 2018-09-30 02:16 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the seed funding it provided for pizarro for instance seems a very legitimate approach, "if your project has merit you get a little bit from foundation, helps other people commit." this works well in pantsuitlands too, but i suspect because it;s sound objectively.
1855851;1538273955;mircea_popescu;yeah it certainly can't become the bank of china.
1855852;1538274011;ben_vulpes;pizarro seemed a) worthwhile endeavour b) could be let fail and the experiment run again c) had good odds of rescue mission succeeding for a time.
1855853;1538274049;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855812 << you can't help people against their will. there is no such thing as "powered text". all text is powerless, the power gotta be with people.
1855854;1538274049;a111;Logged on 2018-09-30 01:40 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855796 << to the extent ( and it is a ~substantial~ extent ) that a healthy btc net relies on ~widely~ available sane client, incl yes even for miners, to limit in any way the distribution of trb src is imho catastrophically stupid idea.
1855855;1538274197;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i dun propose to 'help' heathens somehow against will. but imho anyffig that in any way makes trb noad harder to stand up than strictly must -- yields terrain to enemy.
1855856;1538274250;ben_vulpes;not surfacing every single person capable of operating a v for subsequent filtering of whether or not they are ready to convert also yields.
1855857;1538274322;asciilifeform;right nao we only have blox because chinese d00dz i've never heard of, and dun expect to, run ~trb-compat proggies. i've nfi if trb per se helps this state of affairs to continue, but for so long as it continues, oughta at least not interfere, imho.
1855858;1538274408;ben_vulpes;well obviously someone sees the value in it as at least a testbed, what cost to him of registering a key.
1855859;1538274410;*;ben_vulpes must bbl
1855860;1538274431;asciilifeform;this being said, 'mining is a bug'(tm), if i knew how to gruesomely slaughter all miners while keeping something like working bitcoin net, i promise to say how.
1855861;1538274436;trinque;big difference ftr between "lender of last resort" and "startup incubator"
1855862;1538274463;trinque;the latter again, tainted by pantsuit stink, yet businesses do get started.
1855863;1538274503;asciilifeform;trinque: as mircea_popescu observed earlier, if we succumb to logic of 'word taint' we'll quickly turn into the speed of light people
1855864;1538274510;trinque;I agree.
1855865;1538274516;asciilifeform;and there's no return from that shithole
1855866;1538274628;trinque;one thing that looks interesting externally is tbh throwing first doing something to actively seek out non-knuckleheads (yo esthlos, what do you do for a living again?) and see if a quarter or two of float can get folks building things that put hard pressure on trb thriving.
1855867;1538274646;trinque;rather than trying to think of ways to throw money directly at trb. it by itself dun want any, or anything.
1855868;1538274687;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855842 << actually imho tbf performed 100% to spec even there. i fully expect tbf to be at the ~hindmost~ of all 'exciting new ideaz' adoptions, not forefront. it's a habsburg art gallery, not avant-garde.
1855869;1538274687;a111;Logged on 2018-09-30 02:14 mircea_popescu: i suppose in a sense it's very much a question come to fore, "wtf is foundation actually expected to do". i know for myself it very much is expected to not do anything like hinder keccak adoption, but this seems both a small and a remote point.
1855870;1538274741;trinque;as the chairs appear to have money, but not time, the investor role seems to fit best.
1855871;1538274742;asciilifeform;trinque: imho not bad idea
1855872;1538274768;asciilifeform;( tho i cannot presently think of any concretes )
1855873;1538274807;trinque;good investments oughta be able to drive new customers to pizarro for infrastructure.
1855874;1538274911;trinque;*also oughta
1855875;1538274919;asciilifeform;verily
1855876;1538274974;asciilifeform;the 1 gotcha is that most trb-related items afaik constrained by scarcity of skilled l1 hands, not coin as such
1855877;1538275024;asciilifeform;on the 1 occasion when shortage of coin was the burning fire, tbf stepped up and did just this.
1855878;1538275035;trinque;only thing gonna free up l1 hands is wealthier l1
1855879;1538275076;asciilifeform;trinque: tru. but nobody's about to become mircea_popescu off what's in the tbf piggy as we know it..
1855880;1538275118;asciilifeform;it's pretty modest atm.
1855881;1538275156;trinque;see what I said about seeding businesses
1855882;1538275158;trinque;didn't say eat the seeds
1855883;1538275190;asciilifeform;rright, but point was orig 'the skilled hands are few and short time'
1855884;1538275205;asciilifeform;a bitcent or 2 doesnt change this.
1855885;1538275257;trinque;their time is short because they're all pulling salaries in shitland
1855886;1538275277;trinque;no offense to anyone involved
1855887;1538275285;asciilifeform;i can speak only for self, but at least in my case it is tru
1855888;1538275345;trinque;pulling bread from shitland, salary or not. so am I
1855889;1538275374;asciilifeform;and i suppose if other l1 similarly imprisoned but cheaper to ransom than asciilifeform , could potentially make effect
1855890;1538275417;asciilifeform;( asciilifeform in particular could not ransom even with entire piggy , sadly. but fortunately there are other folx with hands growing from right organ )
1855891;1538275563;asciilifeform;Mocky, for instance, is a very compact but quite competent fella. ( but mircea_popescu already snapped him up for a diff proj )
1855892;1538275632;trinque;speculative proposal is to have tbf do same snapping up of their l2, see what happens.
1855893;1538275641;trinque;this isn't me gunning for a seed round for myself.
1855894;1538279727;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855856 << this is by far the larger concern.
1855895;1538279727;a111;Logged on 2018-09-30 02:24 ben_vulpes: not surfacing every single person capable of operating a v for subsequent filtering of whether or not they are ready to convert also yields.
1855896;1538279747;mircea_popescu;people using your software that are the usual sort of idiots... you ain't got anything going there.
1855897;1538279931;mircea_popescu;i see the point of hind-front, though ideally not entirely as a time function.
1855898;1538280039;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855891 << that was easy, he all but snapped himself.
1855899;1538280039;a111;Logged on 2018-09-30 02:46 asciilifeform: Mocky, for instance, is a very compact but quite competent fella. ( but mircea_popescu already snapped him up for a diff proj )
1855900;1538280073;mircea_popescu;yes, wealthier and larger l1. but the only way there is through talk to more people ; and pointedly not through imagining things.
1855901;1538280156;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855817 << they coulkd if they would. they don't because they're not-credible proven-retards.
1855902;1538280156;a111;Logged on 2018-09-30 01:45 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if heathendom drifts far enuff into prbism, as things are currently we're blockless
1855903;1538280170;mircea_popescu;this hasn't improved, since 2011, or since 2016. in fact, drastically agravated.
1855904;1538280212;mircea_popescu;i can not possibly think of one single name that satisfies all of a) is relevant to bitcoin ; b) is not in l1 and c) is not so fucking stupid, own feces constitute a good portion of its diet.
1855905;1538280297;asciilifeform;miners relevant collectively, rather than individually. like ears of corn..
1855906;1538280318;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855820 << the only advantage is that ecology is largely self-minding. i didn't tell the power rangers morons to shoot themselves in the face. i told them not to ; and they did anyway.
1855907;1538280318;a111;Logged on 2018-09-30 01:47 asciilifeform: the continued convertibility of btc into saecular goods, e.g. rack space, is not separable from healthy 'ecology' sadly.
1855908;1538280321;asciilifeform;( and no i can't name 1. do ears of corn have names..?)
1855909;1538280328;mircea_popescu;and so following. shit rots because it's shit, not because will to power.
1855910;1538280350;mircea_popescu;miners have today exactly all the options they had in 2015.
1855911;1538280396;asciilifeform;they have option of ditching glibc, say. which hadnt then.
1855912;1538280398;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855821 << imo the only limiting factor in foundation finance atm is the twin perception that foundation doesn't need more money nor has anything useful to do with it if it had more money.
1855913;1538280398;a111;Logged on 2018-09-30 01:51 asciilifeform: and yes if there were some magical way to get errybody who benefits from tbf and ergo working btc net, to put into the piggy, it'd be splendid, thing could fund even such things as flotillae of noads, or even trbi dev, etc, whoknows. but there is no magic. and it is a lucky thing that tbf in fact has the coin with which to do the bare minimum and host patches ( not on shitazon! jurov ! ) and handful of reliable nodes.
1855914;1538280425;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i meant politically, not technologically. yes, technologically they owe us more than they owe their mom & dad.
1855915;1538280452;asciilifeform;even politically. they have option of unwinding segwit, say.
1855916;1538280473;mircea_popescu;this is entirely coherent with republican outlook.
1855917;1538280484;asciilifeform;( i actually have nfi why they havent yet )
1855918;1538280492;mircea_popescu;segwit was always a matter of "hipsters & doofuses community chests, someone takes it all sometime"
1855919;1538280502;asciilifeform;it's an eminently ripe pustule imho
1855920;1538280522;asciilifeform;waiting for lancet
1855921;1538280567;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855830 << hopefully you're not asking me this.
1855922;1538280567;a111;Logged on 2018-09-30 02:06 ben_vulpes: is there some fetlife for nerds funnel under optimization?
1855923;1538280630;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855832 << translating the scripture has the significant disadvantage that all sorts of morons "get to thinking" about "how it should be", down the line you end up with anglicanism, protestantisms, etc. the fact that scripture is written in human language is not "impediment put in way of orcs".
1855924;1538280630;a111;Logged on 2018-09-30 02:08 asciilifeform: if idjit breaks it, he can do no harm thereby that prb does not already do; if he runs a valid node, it contributes to strength of the net.
1855925;1538280658;mircea_popescu;what impedes them is not it, but everything-not-it, namely : themselves. their miserable orc nature. if it washes, let it wash, and if it doesn't wash, let them hang.
1855926;1538280702;mircea_popescu;the ~only~ thing you get out of "removing obstacles" is another linus debacle, whereby you belabour for however many decades under the false flag of an unredeemable asshole. he will sell you out, and pretend he's doing you a favour.
1855927;1538280720;mircea_popescu;it is ~regrettable~ linux even got started AT ALL in the current circumstances.
1855928;1538280739;mircea_popescu;had it fizzled in 1993, like so many other vaporware manalone projects, the world today ~would have been better off~.
1855929;1538280759;asciilifeform;lol on what, nt ?
1855930;1538280770;mircea_popescu;on ~whatever linus' lies prevented from existing~.
1855931;1538280790;asciilifeform;from where got idea that it prevented anyffing
1855932;1538280799;mircea_popescu;these fujcking morons managed to turn ~~~AVIATION~~~, humanity's oldest dream, into a LIFETIME NEGATIVE VALUE activity.
1855933;1538280810;asciilifeform;( i dun even necessarily disagree, but curious re logic )
1855934;1538280821;mircea_popescu;and this is what they do, and this is the bitter fruit whereby you know them : their activity results in things being worse than if they never existed at all.
1855935;1538280863;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you think if lincoln didn't show up to fuck up the us constitution under the guise of "black chicks code", the issue of black chicks and coding would have never been addressed or somehow resolved ?
1855936;1538280866;mircea_popescu;give me a fucking break.
1855937;1538280910;mircea_popescu;if linus wasn't around to subvert early republican effort, it's not the case "republic wouldn't have ever existed" ; but it is the case republic would have been greater and better without his despicable ass.
1855938;1538280944;asciilifeform;not being immortal, i dun deal in 'eventuallies'. fact is that plenty of things for which 'was no linus' still to this day not resolved in any form , and i dun expect to live to see resolved, either masterfully or ineptly
1855939;1538280964;mircea_popescu;right. such as, for instance, a fucking os you can trust.
1855940;1538280970;asciilifeform;e.g.
1855941;1538280981;mircea_popescu;so then what are we talking about.
1855942;1538280982;asciilifeform;or even cpu that dun overflowate.
1855943;1538281023;asciilifeform;my contention is that linuses are red herring, they are powerless to prevent sane engineering when the capable folx stand up.
1855944;1538281024;mircea_popescu;i would rather die of the fucking colic, than spend time at the shaman's "office" and then die of the colic anyway.
1855945;1538281040;mircea_popescu;linus is the shaman in this picture. i'd have been better off without any linux, than with his sorry ass excuse for an os.
1855946;1538281076;mircea_popescu;and all the people that put in, a man-hour or a man-decade into his project (i don't mean the fucktards, i mean ~the actual people~) could have done something useful in that hour or decade.
1855947;1538281084;mircea_popescu;something eminently NOT supportive of pantsuitism bullshit.
1855948;1538281089;asciilifeform;like what, model airplanes ?
1855949;1538281100;mircea_popescu;like flying their car into the fucking post office.
1855950;1538281114;mircea_popescu;every hour you spend suing the government is an hour you don't spend burning down the police station.
1855951;1538281139;mircea_popescu;this is an important fucking point -- IF, and that is a humongously immense IF, we do not actually burn everyone down, that everyone gotta pay. and pay well.
1855952;1538281153;mircea_popescu;there's no free lunch for the pantsuit.
1855953;1538281192;asciilifeform;linux is a sad story for same reason as the sov pdp11 - 'why didja copy liquishit when could have made sane design' 'but CHEAP! and legacy coad! and warez!' it was economic 'forced mistake'.
1855954;1538281199;mircea_popescu;pay, and pay to pay, and pay to pay to pay. and http://trilema.com/2018/the-republic-without-mp/#selection-175.0-175.383
1855955;1538281234;asciilifeform;products of poverty are really all quite alike.
1855956;1538281252;mircea_popescu;in that they end up sold to the man with the bag of shiny beads ?
1855957;1538281255;mircea_popescu;fucking injuns.
1855958;1538281264;asciilifeform;in this also.
1855959;1538281276;asciilifeform;when beads look +ev to the chief -- bang, sold.
1855960;1538281309;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855833 << and that's what it always were.
1855961;1538281309;a111;Logged on 2018-09-30 02:10 asciilifeform: whereas when somebody throws coin into a prb wallet, for any reason whatsoever, whether because he is idjit or because we made it harder to avoid, that's coin into usg coffers.
1855962;1538281329;asciilifeform;was however speaking of the other commonality -- the absence of anyffing one might confuse for a design
1855963;1538281332;mircea_popescu;the error to this view is in assigning agency to animals. they had none. whether the proverbial diamonds are in my safe or in my pigs, they're still mine.
1855964;1538281359;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2010/moartea-ca-o-veste-buna/#selection-87.0-91.277 $item.
1855965;1538281391;mircea_popescu;anyway, ima take girls out. will be back for more of this later!
1855966;1538281392;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they're yours for so long as pig corralled.
1855967;1538281399;*;asciilifeform also bbl
1855968;1538296981;jurov;asciilifeform: yes it is on aws. since day one.
1855969;1538297171;jurov;And the IP address mirror is the foundation box where I'm presently migrating the mailinglist.
1855970;1538299764;mircea_popescu;in other not-really-news, i had some "old parr" at bar/disco (that had nothing else). that thing is distinctly the sheep bladders whiskey.
1855971;1538317746;BingoBoingo;Incredilogs
1855972;1538317985;Mocky;BingoBoingo, what did you do for cell service, new local sim for existing phone and ditch old number?
1855973;1538318038;BingoBoingo;Mocky: New local sim
1855974;1538318102;BingoBoingo;Rather than using the cell network services orcs tend to funnel much of their contacting through "Whatsapp" so hygeine accordingly
1855975;1538318243;BingoBoingo;Mocky: I got my sim at a mall kiosk. You may find better luck at the airport.
1855976;1538318322;Mocky;I think I'm going to pick up a cheap unlocked phone as mine isn't unlocked
1855977;1538318365;BingoBoingo;That works too. Just try to price phones there, it will likely be cheaper to pick up the cheap unlocked deal before you depart
1855978;1538318401;Mocky;yeah, before I leave
1855979;1538319512;diana_coman;fwiw Mocky I'd suggest unlocking your phone anyway
1855980;1538319564;BingoBoingo;Mocky: How are you doing on soaking the luggage in poisons?
1855981;1538319569;diana_coman;possibly even buy a bunch of cheap ones, unlock and then just plug into them whatever/wherever sim(s)
1855982;1538320058;asciilifeform;ohai diana_coman et al
1855983;1538320063;asciilifeform;diana_coman : http://ossasepia.com/2018/09/27/tester-for-udp-communications/comment-page-1/#comment-4249
1855984;1538320211;asciilifeform;Mocky: most folx buy local sims if they hang around for any length of time. why wouldja want to pay your telco roaming fee for 8 weeks.
1855985;1538320229;diana_coman;asciilifeform, aha! let the code stay there though for future reference now
1855986;1538320241;asciilifeform;diana_coman: thing is eminently fit for 'museum of sad ada'
1855987;1538320254;diana_coman;precisely
1855988;1538320289;asciilifeform;diana_coman: interestingly, just about my entire collection of vintage ada, with the exception of that little serpent thing, qualifies for this museum.
1855989;1538320322;diana_coman;really? I thought there was a site you were recommending precisely for "good ada code", wasn't there?
1855990;1538320350;asciilifeform;diana_coman: there was a site (nao dead! incidentally.) with didactic/trivial pieces
1855991;1538320353;asciilifeform;but i dun recall a 'good coad'
1855992;1538320392;asciilifeform;diana_coman: if you find it in the l0gz, plox to link
1855993;1538320416;asciilifeform;then again possibly i would not today agree that it were good, having since renounced e.g. heapism
1855994;1538320657;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-12-12#1341598 -> this one, asciilifeform?
1855995;1538320657;a111;Logged on 2015-12-12 00:23 asciilifeform: adlai: http://cs.fit.edu/~ryan/ada/programs << mega-collection of examples
1855996;1538320673;asciilifeform;aha that's what i was thinking of
1855997;1538320683;asciilifeform;it was ok collection of 'kindergarten' snippets
1855998;1538320695;asciilifeform;( and nao 404, and afaik there is no copy )
1855999;1538320718;asciilifeform;can't say it was a very dire loss tho.
1856000;1538320767;Mocky;asciilifeform, diana_coman: my phone's not paid off so can't unlock. maybe those hundies that could pay it off will find a better use in the short term, so that's why cheap second phone. and yeah, roaming turned off.
1856001;1538320828;asciilifeform;Mocky: there's typically a way to crack pnojes and unlock whether vendor wanted to or not. but you may or may not want to burn the time to do this, a reasonable pnoje can be had for pocket change
1856002;1538320855;asciilifeform;(i.e. one where you can make/receive calls, and maybe even read the l0gz)
1856003;1538320930;*;asciilifeform bbl,meat
1856004;1538324197;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in other noose, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-29#1855579 >> http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/trb/9_30_ProcessBlock.txt << thus far .
1856005;1538324197;a111;Logged on 2018-09-29 22:28 asciilifeform: for nao -- simply log'em.
1856006;1538324308;asciilifeform;^ spoiler/anticlimactic -- loox like just about all new blox on zoolag come from the pizarro noades
1856007;1538324461;asciilifeform;as for others, i dun recall who is 149.56.19.79 but iirc also trb
1856008;1538324946;diana_coman;I don't see 149.56.19.79 in the list of advertised nodes
1856009;1538324956;asciilifeform;ha yes
1856010;1538324978;asciilifeform;i've nfi then who it was
1856011;1538325009;diana_coman;and hm, it seems that it's more like ~all from one single node actually? (pizarro hosted, yes but is that the only one that is hosted by pizarro?)
1856012;1538325021;asciilifeform;diana_coman: there's at least 2 in there
1856013;1538325028;asciilifeform;( at pizarro, i mean )
1856014;1538325042;diana_coman;ah, BingoBoingo's, yes
1856015;1538325061;asciilifeform;naa according to http://thebitcoin.foundation/trusted-nodes.html , it's the tbf one
1856016;1538325070;asciilifeform;161.0.121.248 .
1856017;1538325092;diana_coman;that is the most useful yes; but also 1 block from 192.187.99.74
1856018;1538325117;asciilifeform;aha, unknown
1856019;1538325121;diana_coman;anyways, I'll get around to patch my node and see what that gets
1856020;1538325125;diana_coman;uhm, what unknown?
1856021;1538325158;asciilifeform;oh nm it is BingoBoingo's, from the old days , nm
1856022;1538325247;asciilifeform;diana_coman: not particularly urgent experiment, i dun expect we'll do anyffing constructive with the output until after regrinds etc
1856023;1538325318;asciilifeform;( my eventual aim there is to attempt a http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-29#1855574 )
1856024;1538325318;a111;Logged on 2018-09-29 22:21 asciilifeform: prelude to actually rebaking the coad that does the address-collectin' (so to prefer folx who actually supply blox, to the dead weight people )
1856025;1538325439;diana_coman;k
1856026;1538325525;asciilifeform;i still have a dark suspicion that actually changing the logic like this could eventually result in a 'star topology' around a miner
1856027;1538325544;asciilifeform;but the current situation also has problems.
1856028;1538325609;asciilifeform;fwiw hand-addnode'd folx will still appear in the advertised table.
1856029;1538325620;asciilifeform;( whether or not they supply new blox )
1856030;1538325657;*;asciilifeform bbl,meat for a while
1856031;1538327614;Mocky;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855980 >> trying to avoid the poison really, seems pretty light on pests
1856032;1538327614;a111;Logged on 2018-09-30 14:59 BingoBoingo: Mocky: How are you doing on soaking the luggage in poisons?
1856033;1538328449;BingoBoingo; <asciilifeform> oh nm it is BingoBoingo's, from the old days , nm << There's still a node running on .253 and .252
1856034;1538328498;BingoBoingo;Mocky: Really you are trying to avoid one particular pest.
1856035;1538328594;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=chinches
1856036;1538328655;BingoBoingo;The idea is that you luggage soaked in permethrins and other repellent insecticides sits in the airplane or hostel and mad dogs any would be intruders.
1856037;1538328752;BingoBoingo;Travel is a filthy business
1856038;1538328909;BingoBoingo;If you want to do a half measure you can get the shit labeled for use on pet bedding.
1856039;1538329799;Mocky;I don't know, repellent has always been worse for me than any insects. I guess you could call me an insect bite non-responder. Prolly wouldn't use even if I didn't have hard shell luggage
1856040;1538329827;BingoBoingo;AH
1856041;1538330098;Mocky;anyway I decided to skip the hostel cuz 100% indian laborer gulag barracks, and went for air bnb room with door lock and kitchen/laundry access
1856042;1538330468;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-17#1851082 << speaking of, i took off the 6am disconnect thing.
1856043;1538330468;a111;Logged on 2018-09-17 20:34 asciilifeform: ( and e.g. mircea_popescu unsheaths ~erry day, and i dun recall him finding it headache )
1856044;1538330553;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855878 << on meditation : wealth, knights (as in http://trilema.com/2018/cu-cartile-pe-masa-un-fleac-l-au-ciuruit/#selection-255.0-255.181 sense) and slaves.
1856045;1538330553;a111;Logged on 2018-09-30 02:37 trinque: only thing gonna free up l1 hands is wealthier l1
1856046;1538330768;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in random lulz, https://image.ibb.co/mXNyEK/lulz.png
1856047;1538330922;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855879 << for the record, i think it's a uniquely stupid (to the degree of, http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/ level stupid) to attempt to "mp oneself" off community chests. it is the saddest, most vulnerable derpitude, and it produces http://trilema.com/2010/moartea-ca-o-veste-buna/ 's not mps.
1856048;1538330922;a111;Logged on 2018-09-30 02:37 asciilifeform: trinque: tru. but nobody's about to become mircea_popescu off what's in the tbf piggy as we know it..
1856049;1538331954;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> meanwhile in random lulz, https://image.ibb.co/mXNyEK/lulz.png << WTF is an evolving?
1856050;1538331978;mircea_popescu;contemporary polite way of rendering the concept of "lost", i assume.
1856051;1538332074;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1856047 << not only, but is how linuses are made
1856052;1538332074;a111;Logged on 2018-09-30 18:08 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855879 << for the record, i think it's a uniquely stupid (to the degree of, http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/ level stupid) to attempt to "mp oneself" off community chests. it is the saddest, most vulnerable derpitude, and it produces http://trilema.com/2010/moartea-ca-o-veste-buna/ 's not mps.
1856053;1538332095;asciilifeform;pretty much guaranteed ruin.
1856054;1538332124;mircea_popescu;my own read was that linus was run of the mill man-alone, ran into the usual pike ( http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-31#1838412 )  awaiting these.
1856055;1538332124;a111;Logged on 2018-07-31 16:23 asciilifeform: (~= 'for erry smart-arse, a threaded cock will be found' )
1856056;1538332200;asciilifeform;possib
1856057;1538332222;asciilifeform;i dunno who then best example in the circuses i'm familiar with
1856058;1538332267;mircea_popescu;that theranos broad.
1856059;1538332270;mircea_popescu;the pharma kiddo
1856060;1538332302;mircea_popescu;there's bunches, but usually in "business", as the us renders the "oligarch" concept when it's domestic rather than abroad.
1856061;1538332303;asciilifeform;i thought that one 'fair and square' swindled its phortune out of moneyed chumpers
1856062;1538332311;mircea_popescu;or maddof.
1856063;1538332318;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform swindled, failed to mp with the swindle.
1856064;1538332327;asciilifeform;aa yes
1856065;1538332337;asciilifeform;madoff perfect ex
1856066;1538332363;mircea_popescu;this is that : ambitious moron with krysha forces open some community chest or other, discovers that it wasn't after all mp's glasses that did his reading for him by themselves.
1856067;1538332385;asciilifeform;funny how nobody ever steals 'to live on for 50y'
1856068;1538332399;asciilifeform;somehow either fortune or nuffin
1856069;1538332436;mircea_popescu;the will to power is a quest towards meaning, after all. fortune's supposed to MEAN (ie, enact abstraction into carnation) something.
1856070;1538332446;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> funny how nobody ever steals 'to live on for 50y' << Plenty probably intend to by get hit with lottery winner problem
1856071;1538332451;mircea_popescu;meanwhile i'm sitting here ordering chickies to love me. it's really fucking unfair.
1856072;1538332530;*;asciilifeform bbl
1856073;1538333037;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855766 << and ben_vulpes and lotta people.
1856074;1538333037;a111;Logged on 2018-09-30 00:13 asciilifeform: with substantial help of mircea_popescu , mod6
1856075;1538333265;BingoBoingo;In other updates I have acquired a copy of the "Código de Comercio" printed in 2000 at the feria. I also spotted an odd syncretic novelty: "Alfajor Oreo"
1856076;1538333502;mircea_popescu;haha
1856077;1538333513;mircea_popescu;should be fed to an urban negro!
1856078;1538333643;deedbot;http://bimbo.club/?p=34 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 9/25/2018
1856079;1538334166;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I plan to photograph and review it on the blog. I have a suspicion it is constructed in a way that would make it far more popular in its homeland than in this frontier it has adapted to.
1856080;1538334184;mircea_popescu;haha, start export bidniss!!1
1856081;1538334211;BingoBoingo;Mocky: That reminds me, make sure to pack a few sets of civilized sunglasses.
1856082;1538334222;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> haha, start export bidniss!!1 << Not out of the question
1856083;1538334289;BingoBoingo;If we get a beedog here and further Republcian colonization of the Orient(Latino Edition), people are going to have to eat.
1856084;1538334304;mircea_popescu;lel
1856085;1538334455;BingoBoingo;Reading the package it is Industria Argentina, which means it will be smaller and denser than an alfajore Uruguayo
1856086;1538336186;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855888 << i think the important cut is salary-or-theft (ie, are you being raped or being the rapist in the relationship). the mere act of graciously permitting the pantsuited morons to deposit their ~worthless paper bits into your drawers is not in itself anything. children've been doing this since time immemorial, arts-and-crafts'd mom a card for her bday, this doesn't make the woman any mo
1856087;1538336186;a111;Logged on 2018-09-30 02:42 trinque: pulling bread from shitland, salary or not. so am I
1856088;1538336186;mircea_popescu;re infantile or anything.
1856089;1538336304;mircea_popescu;it's a tempting misread, of course, but the fact that i spend the occasional hour interacting with my interfaces with random "social media" site dun do anything to me. it certainly can't be said "oh, mp is on reddit ; robots count".
1856090;1538336504;Mocky;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855898 >> maybe I'm too eager
1856091;1538336504;a111;Logged on 2018-09-30 04:00 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855891 << that was easy, he all but snapped himself.
1856092;1538336577;mircea_popescu;ie, fisherman and fish both interact with the fishing hook. this happenstance dun make the fisherman a fish -- he interacts with right end in right way.
1856093;1538336588;mircea_popescu;Mocky or maybe your brain works.
1856094;1538336618;Mocky;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855891 >> I'm not sure what compact means in this context
1856095;1538336618;a111;Logged on 2018-09-30 02:46 asciilifeform: Mocky, for instance, is a very compact but quite competent fella. ( but mircea_popescu already snapped him up for a diff proj )
1856096;1538336668;mircea_popescu;Mocky he means that he's too loose and fat to be able to take off for qatar on any budget he can conceive of.
1856097;1538336727;mircea_popescu;kinda like duck will take off at the slightest provocation, but the willow under which it took off will not go anywhere even if buckshot.
1856098;1538336789;mircea_popescu;the us is still very much a rural item, most dwellers tend to spread out roots like that. consider ben_vulpes 's been working for MONTHS at disentangling a household that includes no acres of 100 x 100 missile launch tubes, no train of slavegirls, nothing much more than the migration unit of great depression period.
1856099;1538336818;mircea_popescu;in this view then, duck is compact ; willow is fuckt.
1856100;1538336911;Mocky;I guess I've recently gone through a few years worth of life compaction events, more shaking loose each time
1856101;1538336929;mircea_popescu;so the kids are jealous of your advanced age.
1856102;1538336932;mircea_popescu;ever heard the like of this before ?
1856103;1538336954;Mocky;hey, is my secret weapon!
1856104;1538337009;Mocky;by the time i'm down to nothing but a laptop, generator and waffle maker I'll rule the world
1856105;1538337026;mircea_popescu;i have seen waffles baked in the sun!
1856106;1538337036;mircea_popescu;handmade reflector!
1856107;1538337044;Mocky;don't test me
1856108;1538337055;mircea_popescu;lol
1856109;1538337080;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/09/brit-mma-fans-cucked-by-mammy-state-into-watching-pig/ << Qntra - Brit MMA Fans Cucked By Mammy State Into Watching Pig
1856110;1538337091;BingoBoingo;Don't forget the sack full of gossipd relays
1856111;1538337100;mircea_popescu;these qntra titles...
1856112;1538337109;mircea_popescu;most successful at making me drop shit to see what the fuck now.
1856113;1538337215;BingoBoingo;Well, nearing 4 years of practice
1856114;1538337224;Mocky;what, do they have scrambled ota now?
1856115;1538337274;BingoBoingo;Mocky: Not sure, but they alway required a license for OTA, usually enforced through being a flock of NPC non-people like the Uruguayos
1856116;1538337343;BingoBoingo;Gotta pay the BBC somehow
1856117;1538337399;Mocky;good idea with the sunglasses btw
1856118;1538337460;BingoBoingo;I forgot to bring them when I left the habitacion module on the way to the feria. Didn't feel like turning back to retrieve them. 9 km later nursing a sun induced headache.
1856119;1538337552;BingoBoingo;The local options all have lenses trivially tinted and put a blue cast on everything.
1856120;1538337683;BingoBoingo;I am very tempted to price a fuckton of walmart/gas station spec sunglasses and bring them in, sell for 1500 pesos each to foreigners
1856121;1538337757;Mocky;speaking of the sun, it's barely getting up to 80 degrees here anymore making short sleeved motorcycle rides iffy. If only there were some place warmer to go
1856122;1538337794;Mocky;course I cant drive in qa, but looking forward to a second summer
1856123;1538337870;BingoBoingo;I'm kinda curious how the local bikes compare over there.
1856124;1538337870;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo not even a bad idea.
1856125;1538337878;Mocky;which they are coming down of 105 degree summer to 90's autumn, so pretty good timing actually
1856126;1538337882;mircea_popescu;Mocky why can't you drive in qa ?
1856127;1538337920;Mocky;apparently not on a turist visa
1856128;1538337924;mircea_popescu;nfw ?!
1856129;1538337947;mircea_popescu;get one of those international driver's certs.
1856130;1538337954;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I am thinking even if I only part with a pair every couple months, that would still be habitacion module power bill paid. Or if they don't sell I'll still have my gringo eyes protected.
1856131;1538337966;Mocky;well only one week on turist visa, after that need resident permit or something. i may not have the full story
1856132;1538337977;mircea_popescu;Mocky i somehow doubt you do ; but anyways.
1856133;1538338024;BingoBoingo;mocky AAA does the US international driver certs, place to find out the rules is prolly going to be motorcycle store
1856134;1538338111;Mocky;I saw there's a harley store in Montevideo. one in Doha as well
1856135;1538338115;BingoBoingo;Qatar is probably car friendlier than Montevideo
1856136;1538338116;mircea_popescu;course more practically, he's prolly selling rather than shipping the bike, and so...
1856137;1538338139;BingoBoingo;Still, Honda Wave is sold just about everywhere but US-istan
1856138;1538338179;BingoBoingo;Mocky: Harley is a rare site here. Anything over 120 cc really is not common
1856139;1538338181;Mocky;shipping bike is loosing proposition, duties make it -ev unless you have expensive bike
1856140;1538338209;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855943 << they are exceptionally good at a) misdirecting it and b) alloying it with just enough shit to make it shiteutectic.
1856141;1538338209;a111;Logged on 2018-09-30 04:17 asciilifeform: my contention is that linuses are red herring, they are powerless to prevent sane engineering when the capable folx stand up.
1856142;1538338216;mircea_popescu;neither a nor b are minor considerations.
1856143;1538338243;mircea_popescu;Mocky i bet you better bike is to be found cheaper 2nd hand there than in the states.
1856144;1538338245;ben_vulpes;http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-9-30#436976 << absent the fence, coulda been done vastly more quickly.
1856145;1538338246;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-09-30 19:20 mircea_popescu: the us is still very much a rural item, most dwellers tend to spread out roots like that. consider ben_vulpes 's been working for MONTHS at disentangling a household that includes no acres of 100 x 100 missile launch tubes, no train of slavegirls, nothing much more than the migration unit of great depression period.
1856146;1538338264;mircea_popescu;the new world has some of the shittiest, most overpriced vehicles in the world. second only to their internet/comms.
1856147;1538338283;BingoBoingo;https://moto.mercadolibre.com.uy/MLU-456650588-yumbo-cargo-_JM << Typical commercial vehicle here
1856148;1538338294;mircea_popescu;is yumpo jumbo ?
1856149;1538338320;BingoBoingo;I think it is a Chinese import?
1856150;1538338342;mircea_popescu;pretty lulzy.
1856151;1538338376;Mocky;that reminds me of a 'bike' i saw in Austin last year
1856152;1538338378;BingoBoingo;Yumbo and Chinese sounding brands here usually are half or more less than similar Honda/Yamaha models
1856153;1538338486;BingoBoingo;https://moto.mercadolibre.com.uy/MLU-456319930-yumbo-max-110cc-autom-_JM << Backbone of the local delivery fleets here
1856154;1538338538;BingoBoingo;https://moto.mercadolibre.com.uy/MLU-454533524-moto-yumbo-gs-125-cc-iv-mercado-pago-12-cuotas-_JM << "Sporty" alternative
1856155;1538338543;Mocky;https://imgur.com/a/legqmjr complete with van seats, build in tool box and walker onthe back
1856156;1538338595;BingoBoingo;Not bad
1856157;1538338613;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes snapped a pic of a real lulzy one during his trip here
1856158;1538338745;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855951 << - >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1856046 turns out the lulz weren't that random at all.
1856159;1538338745;a111;Logged on 2018-09-30 04:18 mircea_popescu: this is an important fucking point -- IF, and that is a humongously immense IF, we do not actually burn everyone down, that everyone gotta pay. and pay well.
1856160;1538338745;a111;Logged on 2018-09-30 18:06 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in random lulz, https://image.ibb.co/mXNyEK/lulz.png
1856161;1538338780;Mocky;also superbike championship will be going on while I'm there https://www.circuitlosail.com/events/2018-world-superbike-championship/
1856162;1538338837;mircea_popescu;o hey
1856163;1538338855;Mocky;which i've never been to, only watched on tv
1856164;1538339140;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855977 << no fucking way, a simm phone is what, 7 bux
1856165;1538339140;a111;Logged on 2018-09-30 14:39 BingoBoingo: That works too. Just try to price phones there, it will likely be cheaper to pick up the cheap unlocked deal before you depart
1856166;1538339237;mircea_popescu;stop trying to compute on phone, folks, seriously now. it's bad for your wrists and bad for your sanity. make waffles in waffle maker, phone on phone, computer on computer.
1856167;1538339251;mircea_popescu;a waffle maker that can add is an unremarkable waffle maker and a very bad mathematician.
1856168;1538339653;Mocky;computing on phone for me has a couple of big wins. one is my workout app with 5 years of weight lifting logs useful while in the gym ~every day. the other is weather app that shows rainfall prediction graph at your location by the minute for next hour. priceless info for biker
1856169;1538339751;Mocky;and maps with turn by turn directions while on bike and can't handle a map...
1856170;1538340296;mircea_popescu;i... guess.
1856171;1538340390;mircea_popescu;can't see the former as anything but "i stupidly gave my data away to some schmuckfarm which now owns me", but then again i don't solobike nor have any interest in navigating-by-map, either i know where i'm going or i'm exploring. but anyways, we don't have to copy each other.
1856172;1538340597;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1856000 << i kinda don't follow the logic here ? i thought unlocking is a take-ownership-of-item-in-possession affair, what's the color of bits to do with anything ?
1856173;1538340597;a111;Logged on 2018-09-30 15:19 Mocky: asciilifeform, diana_coman: my phone's not paid off so can't unlock. maybe those hundies that could pay it off will find a better use in the short term, so that's why cheap second phone. and yeah, roaming turned off.
1856174;1538340851;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1856041 << me (&chet) stopped overnight into one such item, on the mexico-guatemala border. endless halls of clean but modest beds, dozen or so to the room. place could've prolly quartered a whole regiment, but not the right agricultural moment so we were alone in the whole thing. it was pretty eerie anyways.
1856175;1538340851;a111;Logged on 2018-09-30 17:54 Mocky: anyway I decided to skip the hostel cuz 100% indian laborer gulag barracks, and went for air bnb room with door lock and kitchen/laundry access
1856176;1538340890;mircea_popescu;anyway, airbnb not necessarily bad, might be able to meet useful people too.
1856177;1538341545;Mocky;re unlocking phone, hey if there was a reliable unlock procedure for my phone model I'd take it, but I've failed to find one. 'I don't really own it' is symmetrical with 'I haven't really paid for it'
1856178;1538342497;mircea_popescu;paid whom ?
1856179;1538342545;mircea_popescu;"i didn't really pay for this book" is symmetrical with "amazon stole the item i bought out of my '''shelf'''", provided you use pantsuit definitions of the terms. since when the fuck is random usg asignee getting "paid" for shit some unrelated third party meanwhile deceased did ?
1856180;1538342584;mircea_popescu;there's no fucking symmetry. only subjects capable of ownership are in the wot. there is no franchise, meaning no voice and no ~capacity of ownership~ outside of wort.
1856181;1538342599;Mocky;at&t. they gave me the phone and I pay monthly. interest free loan basically
1856182;1538342601;mircea_popescu;what's next, "i've not really paid wolf for forest" ?
1856183;1538342611;mircea_popescu;they paid the homage that was due of them.
1856184;1538342967;mircea_popescu;at&t, like any other usg agency, is not a business in any sense. it is a conduit whereby the usg pays people the rent it owes for the continuance of its (otherwise baseless) pretense to existence.
1856185;1538343073;mircea_popescu;"welfare state". that's what the words mean.
1856186;1538343116;Mocky;it's been a hell of a lot of me paying them and scant them paying me
1856187;1538343144;mircea_popescu;this'd be entirely your issue, strange optics on your part.
1856188;1538343163;mircea_popescu;there are also folk to go to the brothel to please the whores. it's not forbidden.
1856189;1538343419;Mocky;but i imagine few who go into brothel and get paid by the whores
1856190;1538343453;mircea_popescu;this is breaking the comparison.
1856191;1538343513;Mocky;it does break the comparison. but I still don't see it
1856192;1538343545;mircea_popescu;brothel objectively exists ; whores really are whores. some people go to theatre and pay the actors, IF THE ACTORS ARE THAT GOOD. but in general, most wanna-be actors PAY to be not-outright-thrown-offstage. like in both http://trilema.com/2016/tangerine/#selection-69.246-69.505 and http://trilema.com/2013/youre-the-guy-who-wasnt-good-enough-to-sling-dope/#selection-69.0-73.177
1856193;1538343574;mircea_popescu;we're not discussing an imaginary alt-usg "as it could have been". we are discussing the usg that is.
1856194;1538343605;mircea_popescu;the usg that "is" gotta pay to continue to somewhat-get to claim it exists.
1856195;1538343651;mircea_popescu;and pay to pay ; and pay to pay to pay.
1856196;1538345572;*;asciilifeform eats l0gz...
1856197;1538345667;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1856035 << fwiw despite BingoBoingo's 'exterminator's eye' view , not errything and errywhere is infested, asciilifeform for instance toured BingoBoingostan (and even the infamous hostel) for just short of week and not bitten 1ce
1856198;1538345667;a111;Logged on 2018-09-30 17:29 BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=chinches
1856199;1538345698;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1856042 << oh hah, curious, why ?
1856200;1538345698;a111;Logged on 2018-09-30 18:01 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-17#1851082 << speaking of, i took off the 6am disconnect thing.
1856201;1538346435;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1856096 << actually even worse than this, but will elaborate in diff thread and only if somebody specifically insists
1856202;1538346435;a111;Logged on 2018-09-30 19:44 mircea_popescu: Mocky he means that he's too loose and fat to be able to take off for qatar on any budget he can conceive of.
1856203;1538346487;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1856109 << am i the only one who read this title and thought 'they showed fat chix instead of boxer'
1856204;1538346487;a111;Logged on 2018-09-30 19:51 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/09/brit-mma-fans-cucked-by-mammy-state-into-watching-pig/ << Qntra - Brit MMA Fans Cucked By Mammy State Into Watching Pig
1856205;1538346561;Mocky;made me think of 'British PM fucks pig on live TV' from black mirror
1856206;1538346567;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1856134 << this is interesting : i dun think i saw even ONE adult motorcycle in BingoBoingostan, only those starvation-cheap chinese things
1856207;1538346567;a111;Logged on 2018-09-30 20:08 Mocky: I saw there's a harley store in Montevideo. one in Doha as well
1856208;1538346583;asciilifeform;( petrol is quite dear there, could be the reason )
1856209;1538346624;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1856144 << you moved the ~fence~ ?!
1856210;1538346624;a111;Logged on 2018-09-30 20:10 ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-9-30#436976 << absent the fence, coulda been done vastly more quickly.
1856211;1538346624;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-09-30 19:20 mircea_popescu: the us is still very much a rural item, most dwellers tend to spread out roots like that. consider ben_vulpes 's been working for MONTHS at disentangling a household that includes no acres of 100 x 100 missile launch tubes, no train of slavegirls, nothing much more than the migration unit of great depression period.
1856212;1538346678;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1856153 << lol, cheaper than lappy
1856213;1538346678;a111;Logged on 2018-09-30 20:14 BingoBoingo: https://moto.mercadolibre.com.uy/MLU-456319930-yumbo-max-110cc-autom-_JM << Backbone of the local delivery fleets here
1856214;1538346688;asciilifeform;leaf blower engine..
1856215;1538346718;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1856155 << dafuq, sov tractor ?!
1856216;1538346718;a111;Logged on 2018-09-30 20:15 Mocky: https://imgur.com/a/legqmjr complete with van seats, build in tool box and walker onthe back
1856217;1538346790;Mocky;driving down the street in the middle of austin like he owned the place
1856218;1538346831;asciilifeform;Mocky: there's a commercial variant that's popular where i live, tricycle-motorcycle. all of the hospital bills, none of the vroom, i have nfi what is the appeal..
1856219;1538346913;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1856181 << lol i was quite certain until today that this practice were extinct
1856220;1538346913;a111;Logged on 2018-09-30 21:23 Mocky: at&t. they gave me the phone and I pay monthly. interest free loan basically
1856221;1538346936;asciilifeform;( not esp. surprised that the lone surviver is at&t, the single worst bang-for-bux carrier in usa that i know of )
1856222;1538346961;asciilifeform;phunphakt, it isn't even related to the infamous at&t monopoly, it is the thing formerly called 'cingular' in '90s, they simply purchased the trade name
1856223;1538346968;Mocky;can-am's, trikes for old bikers who can't balance on two wheels anymore with bertha on the back
1856224;1538347227;Mocky;or who can balance but nagged into extra stability wheel
1856225;1538347339;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1856140 << while i get mircea_popescu's angle of 'linus quisling, was always quisling then' , imho moar complicated, d00d did keep systemdism etc out of the kernel for 20yrs, somehow.
1856226;1538347339;a111;Logged on 2018-09-30 20:10 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855943 << they are exceptionally good at a) misdirecting it and b) alloying it with just enough shit to make it shiteutectic.
1856227;1538347376;asciilifeform;could have taken the 30 silvers and turned into esr in 1999, didn't.
1856228;1538347496;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1856171 << btw after my voyages with navigate-by-pnoje and the attendant frustrations with shit reception / bw tolls, invested in cheapo wrist-sized passive satellite thing. 0 maps, but will take you to specific coordinates, save waypoints, etc
1856229;1538347496;a111;Logged on 2018-09-30 20:46 mircea_popescu: can't see the former as anything but "i stupidly gave my data away to some schmuckfarm which now owns me", but then again i don't solobike nor have any interest in navigating-by-map, either i know where i'm going or i'm exploring. but anyways, we don't have to copy each other.
1856230;1538347511;asciilifeform;bring paper map.
1856231;1538347580;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1856179 << generally i dun buy crippleware unless i a) have or b) plan to bake (e.g. c101pa)  a crack.
1856232;1538347580;a111;Logged on 2018-09-30 21:22 mircea_popescu: "i didn't really pay for this book" is symmetrical with "amazon stole the item i bought out of my '''shelf'''", provided you use pantsuit definitions of the terms. since when the fuck is random usg asignee getting "paid" for shit some unrelated third party meanwhile deceased did ?
1856233;1538347593;asciilifeform;life is too short for crippleware imho.
1856234;1538347783;asciilifeform;paper map worx best if you have a fulltime navigator tho, in my experience.
1856235;1538347870;asciilifeform;( on voyage to BingoBoingostan, i left my navigator at home, then alternated between regretting it, and then thinking 'but i can go faster..' )
1856236;1538347903;asciilifeform;( asciilifeform has longer legs and better stamina stat than his navigator )
1856237;1538348118;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform cuz it was becoming a pain in the ass. always this work/reward paradigm, i tried it out for a while but eventually seemed meh.
1856238;1538348131;asciilifeform;in other minor noose, 100% of blox since this morning on zoolag are from tbf/pizarro, with exception of 1, from mod6's 208.94.240.42.
1856239;1538348141;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: out of curiosity, what was the orig logic
1856240;1538348264;mircea_popescu;something term-limited sessions.
1856241;1538348316;mircea_popescu;i dunno, seems a great way to go about things, theoretically.
1856242;1538348318;asciilifeform;by my reckoning, if $client is porous, resetting it periodically won't help any moar than rebooting winblowz does; if not porous, then waste
1856243;1538348347;asciilifeform;it does broadcast the fact that you still have yer key, there's that tho.
1856244;1538348385;mircea_popescu;not necessarily a matter of client being porous, though it ~is~ freenode.
1856245;1538348412;asciilifeform;( personally i'd rather not trumpet 'oh he unsheaths key erry morning at 6', it tempts the white van. but mebbe justme)
1856246;1538348591;mircea_popescu;eh, van schman. but yes, sitting down and thinking about it it became obvious enough that it's not all that clear to me neither what problem i'm supposedly solving nor why exactly what i'm doing is a solution. suddenly looked like so much wasted effort.
1856247;1538348646;*;asciilifeform has entire zoo of systems like this, sometimes goes 'wtf' and tears one down, then weeks later remembers why built it...
1856248;1538348859;mircea_popescu;entirely possibru
1856249;1538349132;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1856234 << man was not made to "alone".
1856250;1538349132;a111;Logged on 2018-09-30 22:49 asciilifeform: paper map worx best if you have a fulltime navigator tho, in my experience.
1856251;1538349160;mircea_popescu;if you don't know how to get to toilet, you have problems gizmos won't fix ; and if going anywhere else why the fuck are you by yourself.
1856252;1538349165;asciilifeform;ya was made to work in full platoon. but one 'goes to war with army he has, not wished he had'(tm)
1856253;1538349227;asciilifeform;witness e.g. Mocky , going deep behind lines alone.
1856254;1538349230;asciilifeform;( as did BingoBoingo )