1838560;1533081772;mod6;Lords and Ladies of The Most Serene Republic: The Bitcoin Foundation's State of Bitcoin Address for July: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-August/000306.html
1838561;1533083794;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/08/qntra-s-qntr-july-2018-report/ << Qntra - Qntra (S.QNTR) July 2018 Report
1838562;1533085737;mod6;BingoBoingo: You may, at your earliest convenience wipe the Rockchip that mats was renting.
1838563;1533085770;mod6;Well, it is august, UTC time.  Maybe wait until tomorrow in case he changes his mind.
1838564;1533085807;mod6;But anyway, let me know if you need to know which one is his -- there are notes in the message I sent around couple days ago.
1838565;1533087091;BingoBoingo;mod6: There's the douchebag one as well. I am waiting on alf to give the order before I touch either of them.
1838566;1533087167;mod6;The one that mircea_popescu rented for douchebag doesn't expire until the 19th iirc.  I'll update you on that one.  Unless mircea_popescu says to nuke it ahead of time.
1838567;1533087279;asciilifeform;mod6: recall, that one he asked to let be until expires
1838568;1533087312;asciilifeform;afterwards can go to new tenant.
1838569;1533087695;mircea_popescu;!!up Napsterbater5
1838570;1533087696;deedbot;Napsterbater5 voiced for 30 minutes.
1838571;1533087698;Napsterbater5;I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/
1838572;1533087701;Napsterbater5;Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
1838573;1533087704;Napsterbater5;A fascinating blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
1838574;1533087706;mircea_popescu;mod6 do you need it or something ?
1838575;1533087745;mircea_popescu;Napsterbater5 you weak drama lot are the reason these fucktards turned off unregistered accts resulting in my inept bimbo nearly going nuts over the weekend ?
1838576;1533087802;esthlos;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-31#1838300 << thank you, fixed
1838577;1533087802;a111;Logged on 2018-07-31 12:47 asciilifeform: !Q later tell esthlos in e.g. http://summaries.logs.esthlos.com/#2016-03-28 you link to kako's log ; i recommend against this , it is not a faithful record of the actual text ( last yr he took to monkeying with it via perlism and possibly also manually )
1838578;1533087803;lobbesbot;esthlos: Sent 12 hours and 56 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> in e.g. http://summaries.logs.esthlos.com/#2016-03-28 you link to kako's log ; i recommend against this , it is not a faithful record of the actual text ( last yr he took to monkeying with it via perlism and possibly also manually )
1838579;1533087818;mircea_popescu;cuz someone totally gives a shit about whatever totallies horrible things nobody-on-a-stick maybe said somtime, or at least such could be constructively deduced bla bla bal.
1838580;1533087825;mircea_popescu;jesus fuck the kids today.
1838581;1533088190;mircea_popescu;it's just... somewhere between outrageous and ludicrous, i guess. on one hand, the fucktarded, moronic kids, coming up on their own power and out of their own skulls with this fantasy alt-world wherein anyone has any respect for the usg.freenode fuckwits, and in which alt-world they're gonna make known the big bad secrets, little snowdens that they be.
1838582;1533088201;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: spambot, spammed '9000' unmoderated chans
1838583;1533088215;mircea_popescu;on the other hand, the mornic, fucktarded kids, coming  up on their own power and out of their own skulls with this fantasy alt-world wherein they dun have to read the log and work with the republic and so on and so forth.
1838584;1533088218;mircea_popescu;it's just...
1838585;1533088245;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, but think about it. could have had shinohai's lordship, if only ritalin actually worked as an add cure.
1838586;1533088268;asciilifeform;i dun think there is a cure for what ails these .
1838587;1533088291;asciilifeform;hunchback straightens -- in the grave.
1838588;1533088305;mircea_popescu;no, because the cure would have been for their father to tie them to the same bed post as the stupid mother and beat both senseless the moment the "oh you're special and can do anything" nonsense came out of her mouth.
1838589;1533088328;asciilifeform;there's a dozen or so of these going, e.g. #linux-rockchip is filling up
1838590;1533088341;mircea_popescu;~would have been~. were there a father, and were he around at the time called "formative", and could he be arsed to be alive and so forth.
1838591;1533088358;*;asciilifeform could not muster the fuck-giving to read the payload, has nfi what the thing wants
1838592;1533088385;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and i'll bet you whatever you want that much like the #lisp morons failiong to realise what candi_lustt is ; so #linux-whjatever will fail to realise why #trilema doesn't have a problem, and what a voice model is, and what EXACTLY it means to be the intellectual inferior.
1838593;1533088402;asciilifeform;are we the only moderated chan left or wat
1838594;1533088420;mircea_popescu;we are the only humans left, actually.
1838595;1533088426;asciilifeform;entirely possible.
1838596;1533088458;asciilifeform;( i recall a trilema article where mircea_popescu actually walked fleanode looking for signs of life, found ~0 )
1838597;1533088506;mircea_popescu;i recall a time the word "cretin" was coined, by humans walking the swiss alps and discovering villages of these inbred morons, rendered stupid by the lack of iodine.
1838598;1533088515;mircea_popescu;AMONG THEMSELVES, they didn't feel all that ridiculous.
1838599;1533088564;mircea_popescu;it was supposed to be "christian". as in, "they're who you're gonna run into in heaven, god's own most beloved children, the idiots."
1838600;1533088593;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> mod6 do you need it or something ? << Not at all, Sir.  I was going to let it expire indeed.
1838601;1533088601;asciilifeform;the ameri-protestants 'improved' even on this, their heaven iirc is full of aborted foeti
1838602;1533089340;asciilifeform;hey mod6 , why is #pizarro filling up with spamola ?
1838603;1533089343;asciilifeform;i thought we had +v
1838604;1533089380;asciilifeform;there's liquishit kilometre deep in there nao
1838605;1533089522;mod6;I just +m'd it for now, but a long while ago we decided to keep it -m, so people could ask questions/speak freely.
1838606;1533089540;mod6;And I think that's the right idea.
1838607;1533089592;mircea_popescu;prolly is.
1838608;1533092147;mod6;douchebag wants the mic
1838609;1533092151;mod6;!!up douchebag
1838610;1533092152;deedbot;douchebag voiced for 30 minutes.
1838611;1533092180;douchebag;Alright fellows, I know I hadn't really been contributing to the republic.
1838612;1533092190;douchebag;However, I have been working on creating a security firm
1838613;1533092290;douchebag;Things are going very well, next month we're going to have a lot of news coverage due to some audits we did. We managed to find tons of 0days in an open source medical CMS as well as a IP Relay service used in much of Canada.
1838614;1533092347;BingoBoingo;From the links that got dropped: "Why GNU Linux is the operating system for Pedo-Positive Users"
1838615;1533092365;douchebag;BingoBoingo: That's a freenode troll
1838616;1533092402;douchebag;Someone made a bot that's been spamming it everywhere
1838617;1533092460;BingoBoingo;This is IRC, I am pretty sure everyone here has at least a little bit of troll in their ancestry. Except for the transylvanians
1838618;1533092476;ben_vulpes;douchebag: and you think that pantsuit press coverage instead of hosing their boxen is the key to fame fortune and a seat in tmsr?
1838619;1533092477;douchebag;But yeah, I just wanted to let you guys know that I'm not a useless piece of shit. I've just been focusing on my personal projects, I've also gotten in a few more Hall of Fame's for some vulnerabilities I discovered.
1838620;1533092507;ben_vulpes;the whole responsible disclosure threads went clear over your head
1838621;1533092576;ben_vulpes;douchebag: link to any of these famous halls?
1838622;1533092577;douchebag;ben_vulpes: I understand we disagree on that, however I'm trying to make money - I don't see how hosting rockchips that are overpriced is going to generate revenue in the long term.
1838623;1533092587;douchebag;I'm in AT&T Hall of Fame
1838624;1533092590;douchebag;Yahoo
1838625;1533092643;douchebag;https://medium.com/@0xHyde/yahoo-two-xssi-vulnerabilities-chained-to-steal-user-information-750-bounty-e9bc6a41a40a
1838626;1533092709;ben_vulpes;heh hall of fame is what they give out to make the 750 bucks not sting so bad, huh?
1838627;1533092758;*;mircea_popescu is looking at ben_vulpes talking to himself, shakes head.
1838628;1533092770;mod6;:D
1838629;1533092780;douchebag;Well, it wasn't neccesarily a critical vulnerability - it was just rather unique. The hall of Fame's just help for my resume
1838630;1533092828;douchebag;Also the security firm I'm working on is expected to pull at least a half million dollars by december
1838631;1533092829;ben_vulpes;i seee deaaaad people!
1838632;1533092832;mircea_popescu;fellow has ~infinite energy to expend, but strictly towards the wrong goals. provide him with some self-defeating goals, he'll stay up nights.
1838633;1533092874;mircea_popescu;just like the weev morons, writing "advertising" irc bots to advertise inept usg alt-agenda to me. because yea, totally, THAT'll work, and is the way to spend a youth.
1838634;1533092932;douchebag;I just have not been enlightened on why my goals are "the wrong goals", the goals I'm working towards are going to help me feed my family someday and at the end of the day that is what matters to me.
1838635;1533092934;mircea_popescu;they'll "leave their mark", or w/e they call it now. a giant pink L in the foam of the sea.
1838636;1533093018;ben_vulpes;2 unclosed tags on altavista.com/bugbounty
1838637;1533093039;douchebag;The SSL cert is also invalid
1838638;1533093487;douchebag;My main problem with the Pizarro business model is that I could essentially get the same service by purchasing a fiber internet connection and hooking it up to a rockchip and then SSHing into it
1838639;1533093546;douchebag;In addition to that, most people are just going to go with a cheaper & higher performance alternative
1838640;1533093950;danielpbarron;!!up Birdman
1838641;1533093951;deedbot;Birdman voiced for 30 minutes.
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1838646;1533094041;danielpbarron;it's !!v
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1838648;1533094067;Birdman;18215F1C3C90EC2FBF9B28E1189CB9342AD082E277211AC40299CD6C306CD4BD
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1838650;1533094081;deedbot;You are now voiced in #trilema
1838651;1533094085;mod6;there ya go
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1838656;1533110677;diana_coman;BingoBoingo, thanks! confirmed back on + 1 fg available; unfortunately the simple test from smg_rsa (./tests 11 11 ) still hangs
1838657;1533110838;diana_coman;I start suspecting it's maybe something to do with short+frequent reads as weirdly enough tests that read 4096 bytes seem... fine
1838658;1533110887;diana_coman;well, uhm, scratch that, I just got one of those stuck too, lol; it took longer to get stuck, nothing else
1838659;1533130903;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i've built eucrypt and replicated your hang
1838660;1533130928;diana_coman;asciilifeform, any clue as to cause?
1838661;1533130992;diana_coman;on what machine is this?
1838662;1533130996;asciilifeform;dulap
1838663;1533131036;asciilifeform;not discovered culprit yet, literally 5min ago finished pressing & building ( used ave1's gcc , for completeness )
1838664;1533131108;diana_coman;aha; good to know at least it's not *just* that machine; might be worth to try replicating the dd hang as well , although by now I expect it will happen
1838665;1533131150;asciilifeform;diana_coman: what was the exact process for dd hang ?
1838666;1533131175;asciilifeform;( fwiw i've dd's from dulap's FGs previously, with 0 signs of any problem )
1838667;1533131195;asciilifeform;this box is running traditional gentoo, however, it more closely resembles primary s.mg machine than the test box
1838668;1533131196;diana_coman;machine with 2 fgs; reboot without init of any fgs; stty on only one fg; dd on that fg
1838669;1533131210;diana_coman;the first time it usually hangs
1838670;1533131247;diana_coman;dd seems to be more resilient but I suspect it's mainly because it's not that sort of little&frequent
1838671;1533131285;diana_coman;i.e. if you run the eucrypt tests 0 or 1 that read more they tend to take longer to get to the hang (although they still do eventually)
1838672;1533131309;diana_coman;fwiw same tests of eucrypt ran perfectly fine on all machines I have around here with fgs
1838673;1533131391;asciilifeform;hm, over here dd ( with only 1 FG init'd ) is working correctly
1838674;1533131411;asciilifeform;eucrypt's test reliably hangs, however, ~every other run
1838675;1533131448;asciilifeform;1048576 bytes (1.0 MB, 1.0 MiB) copied, 151.838 s, 6.9 kB/s <<
1838676;1533131452;asciilifeform;^ dd
1838677;1533131464;diana_coman;a bit slow though?
1838678;1533131485;asciilifeform;not really, the nominal production is 7
1838679;1533131495;diana_coman;anyways, if you find something the matter specifically with eucrypt code, I'd be quite happy really since it's easiest to fix tbh
1838680;1533131498;asciilifeform;( evidently the dc has pretty good cooling )
1838681;1533131517;diana_coman;hm, I usually get that above 7, closer to 8
1838682;1533131557;asciilifeform;it's not a constant rate, 7 is the empirical avg., and depends on environmental temp
1838683;1533131559;diana_coman;anyways, dd hangs *sometimes*, harder to pin down ; ftr I DID go and read the dd code too but I can't say I'm any wiser as to why/how it is more resilient
1838684;1533131596;asciilifeform;well the 1 obvious diff, is that it defaults to 512byte blocks
1838685;1533131604;asciilifeform;and reads from buffered tty
1838686;1533131622;diana_coman;hence my diana_coman> dd seems to be more resilient but I suspect it's mainly because it's not that sort of little&frequent
1838687;1533131627;asciilifeform;aha
1838688;1533131722;diana_coman;but a. WHY don't I have same trouble on any of the machines here b. WHY does it hang anyway c. wtf do I do
1838689;1533131865;asciilifeform;diana_coman: ok, finally managed to get a stuck dd
1838690;1533131879;diana_coman;a-ha
1838691;1533131926;asciilifeform;i suspect an oddity with the linux tty subsystem. the Right Thing solution would be to find it. the alternative, ugly solution, is 1) 512 byte buffered reads 2) with timeout .
1838692;1533131931;asciilifeform;so far can't think of a third.
1838693;1533131963;asciilifeform;fwiw dd never stuck midway, only on opening tty.
1838694;1533132052;asciilifeform;0 bytes copied, 99.8535 s, 0.0 kB/s
1838695;1533132053;asciilifeform;^ 1 run
1838696;1533132059;asciilifeform;1048576 bytes (1.0 MB, 1.0 MiB) copied, 150.483 s, 7.0 kB/s
1838697;1533132062;asciilifeform;^ subsequent
1838698;1533132073;asciilifeform;( the former, ctrl-c'd )
1838699;1533132175;asciilifeform;note that FG outputs not only random bytes, but at random ~rate~ . currently i wonder if we've unearthed an 'impedence mismatch' in linux tty.
1838700;1533132192;asciilifeform;no other device does the random ~rate~ thing.
1838701;1533132342;asciilifeform;possibly asciilifeform is doomed to write the FG-reading daemon after all.
1838702;1533132399;asciilifeform;( observe, if tty ~does~ successfully open, can read 4evah, i had one dd going for 6 months without problem )
1838703;1533132727;diana_coman;<asciilifeform> i suspect an oddity with the linux tty subsystem. the Right Thing solution would be to find it. the alternative, ugly solution, is 1) 512 byte buffered reads 2) with timeout . -> this is pretty much my current understanding as well
1838704;1533132761;diana_coman;but I'm not comfortable with not knowing wtf in there because it has the potential to blow up very nastily indeed
1838705;1533132790;diana_coman;fwiw eucrypt always gets stuck on the actual "read("
1838706;1533133023;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i'ma have to do a detailed dig in re the linux tty thing. but this could take a while, and no guarantee of finding culprit in the 100s of MB of open sores liquishit. so you will need the buffer+timeout thing, i suspect.
1838707;1533133052;asciilifeform;( oughta log the timeouts )
1838708;1533133152;diana_coman;I'm going to dig around a bit more too to see if I can find any more clues of sorts
1838709;1533133167;diana_coman;but yes, this is certainly not going to get solved in 1-2 days by the looks of it
1838710;1533133189;asciilifeform;the ideal ugly-an'-reliable pill is prolly a demon that reads both FG 24/7 and alarms if rate is substantially below rated
1838711;1533133246;diana_coman;myeah, as battlefield solution that might be the direction to take
1838712;1533133268;asciilifeform;i ~would~ prefer a sanely-behaving OS. unfortunately i dun have one up my sleeve.
1838713;1533133295;*;asciilifeform brb,teatime
1838714;1533133298;diana_coman;enjoy!
1838715;1533137110;*;asciilifeform back
1838716;1533138163;asciilifeform;diana_coman: lulzily, turns out that our horror show is not unknown, https://archive.fo/kRfZy ( spoiler: none of the proposed pills, have any effect
1838717;1533138165;asciilifeform;)
1838718;1533138219;diana_coman;oh joy
1838719;1533138684;Mocky;whoa, haven't seen that trilema.com header before
1838720;1533138764;Mocky;super happy, lol
1838721;1533139226;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i confirmed ( coupla dozen shots ) hang only ever takes place on 1st read() after open().
1838722;1533139389;asciilifeform;diana_coman: further pl2303 mod lulz, https://archive.is/CefaN
1838723;1533139413;diana_coman;asciilifeform, ah,ah, the "modprobe -r " lulz, yes
1838724;1533139429;asciilifeform;'After much researching it seems this is NOT a driver bug but a CHANGE in the kernel Serial API semantics. What has happened is that the API now blocks when a Serial device is not indicating it is ready. This included 'open' on a serial device which now can block. Since lots of RS232 serial devices do not bother with any control signals such as DCD (data carrier detect) they never indicate they are ready and open blocks. This is the
1838725;1533139429;asciilifeform;'HANG' we are seeing'
1838726;1533139433;asciilifeform;^ suggests shitgnomery
1838727;1533139489;asciilifeform;the given 'solution' is absolutely prohibited for FG, tho, it ~must~ operate as blocking read
1838728;1533139580;diana_coman;ugh, uglier and uglier
1838729;1533139667;asciilifeform;confirms my earlier suspicion tho.
1838730;1533139699;asciilifeform;2 possible tacks -- 1) kill, with flamethrower, 'new api' 2) FG opened once per machine boot and left running into buffer
1838731;1533139742;asciilifeform;i'ma let mircea_popescu say, whether Right Thing is to start with (2) and proceed to (1), or straight to (1) .
1838732;1533139785;diana_coman;myeah, 1 promises to eat up a lot of time
1838733;1533140004;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-01#1838608 << incidentally, maybe the correct move re the day's ninjashogun would be to redirect them to whatever castle one feels like ? trilema-mod6 or such.
1838734;1533140004;a111;Logged on 2018-08-01 02:55 mod6: douchebag wants the mic
1838735;1533140036;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, i wonder how that fellow's business/revolutionary/technico-theoretical/etc idea is faring these days.
1838736;1533140194;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-01#1838691 << da fuck buffered state machine, defeats the whole purpose of the thing.
1838737;1533140194;a111;Logged on 2018-08-01 13:58 asciilifeform: i suspect an oddity with the linux tty subsystem. the Right Thing solution would be to find it. the alternative, ugly solution, is 1) 512 byte buffered reads 2) with timeout .
1838738;1533140249;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, read on for...deeper uncovered shit
1838739;1533140257;mircea_popescu;on it.
1838740;1533140421;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-01#1838720 << ahahaha
1838741;1533140421;a111;Logged on 2018-08-01 15:52 Mocky: super happy, lol
1838742;1533141073;asciilifeform;btw, diana_coman , mircea_popescu , there's visible sys log barf from pl2303 when operating diana_coman's test :
1838743;1533141084;asciilifeform;[8621835.122044] pl2303 ttyUSB0: pl2303_get_line_request - failed: -110
1838744;1533141084;asciilifeform;[8621835.122919] pl2303 ttyUSB0: pl2303_set_line_request - failed: -32
1838745;1533141084;asciilifeform;[8621835.463377] pl2303 ttyUSB0: usb_serial_generic_read_bulk_callback - urb stopped: -32
1838746;1533141181;asciilifeform;diana_coman: do you observe same on your box ?
1838747;1533141187;mod6;guy says '<douchebag> can I be upped? I have some productive things to say' in PM, and I think "hmm. alright"
1838748;1533141204;diana_coman;asciilifeform, I certainly say the last line, don't recall the first 2 but I might have missed them
1838749;1533141212;diana_coman;lemme see again
1838750;1533141214;mod6;it never fails. answering the door just doesn't work out too well for ole mod6
1838751;1533141225;mod6;begone fuckwads
1838752;1533141242;asciilifeform;mod6: lol, 'productive things'
1838753;1533141249;diana_coman;"productive things to say " lol
1838754;1533141261;asciilifeform;d00d could 'productive' any fucking time he feels like it.
1838755;1533141266;asciilifeform;but not holding breath.
1838756;1533141312;mod6;i should have just ignored.  typically I do.
1838757;1533141364;mod6;thought he might wanna talk about his rockchip, so was willing to give him the chance.
1838758;1533141367;mod6;WRONG
1838759;1533141373;mod6;shit on the rug in the foyer.
1838760;1533141397;asciilifeform;'most people are just going to go with a cheaper & higher performance alternative' dontchaknow.
1838761;1533141404;diana_coman;mod6, I'd say don't worry about it; as a rule though productive people do stuff, not as if they need to "say" productively things
1838762;1533141429;diana_coman;asciilifeform, I get as I recalled this "[63939.499700] pl2303 ttyUSB0: usb_serial_generic_read_bulk_callback - urb stopped: -32" but I don't see the others, hmm
1838763;1533141441;diana_coman;that one I got even 8 times in a row there
1838764;1533141458;asciilifeform;diana_coman: the line_request one is sporadic ( erry dozen or so runs )
1838765;1533141490;diana_coman;ah, that might explain why I haven't yet noticed it
1838766;1533141705;mircea_popescu;modprobe -r option << does ditching the "option" bs do anything ?
1838767;1533141712;mircea_popescu;seems like a fine candidate for cuntoo banlist, if so.
1838768;1533141729;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: we dun have this item to begin with
1838769;1533141753;asciilifeform;( at least dulap kernel -- does not )
1838770;1533141758;mircea_popescu;usure ?
1838771;1533141781;mircea_popescu;as in, "i checked, we don't have" or as in "we couldn't possibly have something this fucking stupid o oops there it is how the hell did it sneak in"
1838772;1533141804;asciilifeform; dulap ~ # zcat /proc/config.gz | grep CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_OPTION
1838773;1533141804;asciilifeform;# CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_OPTION is not set
1838774;1533141825;mircea_popescu;kk
1838775;1533141899;mircea_popescu;this is looking more and more like we're going to have to write a pl replacement does it
1838776;1533142137;asciilifeform;'usb_serial_generic_read_bulk_callback - urb stopped: -32' specifically, reported also for other usb2ttl chipsets, incl ftdi
1838777;1533142170;asciilifeform;bug may very well be an interaction with upstream linux usb subsys
1838778;1533142217;asciilifeform;( https://archive.is/sYqkk for dedicated entomologist )
1838779;1533142268;asciilifeform;supposedly, forcing usb1 speed for whole jack, curative
1838780;1533142270;asciilifeform;( not tried yet )
1838781;1533142432;asciilifeform;dwc_otg.speed=1   on kernel param line.
1838782;1533142491;mircea_popescu;still tbh i'm kinda pleased with how this ratchet works. mystery meat in fg-machine interaction had to await s.mg to be found. item's been out what, years, undergone all sorta testing...
1838783;1533142791;asciilifeform;ok confirmed, forcing usb1 cures
1838784;1533142838;asciilifeform;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/xAQ4U/?raw=true << manual example , testable without rebooting kernel
1838785;1533142853;asciilifeform;dozen runs of diana_coman's test all work
1838786;1533142905;asciilifeform;( forcing 12MB/s usb1 speed has no effect on FG performance, even 10 FG on 1 jack falls considerably below the max usb1 rate )
1838787;1533142929;asciilifeform;diana_coman ^
1838788;1533143047;asciilifeform;( the above is == to the 'Tip for Linux Users' item in http://nosuchlabs.com/hardware.html , which i listed as workaround for 'more than 3 pl2303' infamous bugola )
1838789;1533143110;mircea_popescu;not like we use usb for anything else anyway, so this may well work ad interim.
1838790;1533143128;asciilifeform;fwiw asciilifeform's official FG tester rig runs always in this mode.
1838791;1533143146;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform is there some way to connect as a tty bypass the usb altogether ? i really dun wanna include usb if can be helped.
1838792;1533143168;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there's no ttl serial on pc mobo
1838793;1533143181;*;mircea_popescu adds to wishlist for eventual fab.
1838794;1533143210;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there is sometimes 1 or even 2 rs232 ports , but they go at -12v/+12v , and needs level shifter, which in turn oscillates, and potentially pollutes rng
1838795;1533143222;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/qntra-sqntr-july-2018-statement/ << Trilema - Qntra (S.QNTR) July 2018 Statement
1838796;1533143235;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: fwiw rockchip and similar boards actually include several ttl-level serial ports.
1838797;1533143239;mircea_popescu;myeah
1838798;1533143287;asciilifeform;pc is the hardcore tard reservation.
1838799;1533143298;asciilifeform;( i've yet to find ~one~ pc board, of any vintage, with ttl ports )
1838800;1533143436;asciilifeform;usb is a massive cistern of liquishit, with all kinds of corner-case breakages, see also http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-21#520765 . it Must Die.
1838801;1533143436;a111;Logged on 2014-02-21 03:28 asciilifeform: usb is a highly-stateful protocol with a book-length standard
1838802;1533143987;mod6;!!sent-invoices
1838803;1533143995;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/YRYRx/?raw=true
1838804;1533144268;asciilifeform;usb is evil in 9000 ways. not only the ridiculous complexity, which makes it impractical to use with ~simple~ microcontrollers, msdos boxen, etc. but also the fact that it is impossible to make a ~transmit only~ (or , for that matter, receive-only) usb device, they are mandatorily stateful. which is the fundamental reason why asciilifeform refused to put a usb chip on FG proper.
1838805;1533144304;asciilifeform;FG is transmit-only. there is literally nothing the attached pc can do ~to~ it, other than cycle the +5 supply ( and even this, strictly if the +5 supply is tied to the pc's )
1838806;1533144628;asciilifeform;thing eats 8ma, could easily run off, e.g., solar cell in a well-lit room.
1838807;1533144682;asciilifeform;diana_coman: usb1 switchover also confirmed to cure log barfola.
1838808;1533145681;asciilifeform;diana_coman, mircea_popescu lemme know if the given cure, is curative. ( no change to diana_coman's coad is needed )
1838809;1533145862;asciilifeform;incidentally, there is also a potential iron cure, currently FG at pizarro are attached to miniature usb2 hubs. ( asciilifeform was not able to source pure usb1 hubs, but potentially these exist somewhere. )
1838810;1533148284;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/08/vandalia-outdoors-retailer-hit-by-multi-agency-usg-raid/ << Qntra - Vandalia Outdoors Retailer Hit By Multi Agency USG Raid
1838811;1533149621;diana_coman;oh hey, asciilifeform that cure seems to work
1838812;1533149642;diana_coman;so basically that's not for "if more than 2" but rather "always do it"
1838813;1533149753;diana_coman;for future ref: echo first barfed with "invalid argument" ; it turns out it was appending a newline so it had to be "echo -n portnumber > ..."
1838814;1533149846;asciilifeform;diana_coman: interestingly, in my (conventional gentoo) userland, worked as posted ( i.e. with the newline )
1838815;1533150038;diana_coman;this was on the smg test machine
1838816;1533150046;asciilifeform;aaha so cuntoo
1838817;1533150083;asciilifeform;diana_coman: you'll probably want to make it happen on boot.
1838818;1533150477;diana_coman;makes sense; how do I do that best on gentoo? still line in /boot/cmdline.txt ?
1838819;1533150495;asciilifeform;diana_coman: afaik that's the only reliable way, usb bus numbering isn't iirc stable across boots
1838820;1533150525;diana_coman;k, test server is for testing; will do
1838821;1533150560;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: from other fishwraps, re qntra, 'The grandson said they’re not selling guns, but reported that two men recently knocked on the door asking if they had gun parts or body armor. Hanabarger reportedly said “no” and showed them inside a storage container. But now they’re wondering if there’s a connection between those men and Tuesday’s raid.'
1838822;1533151995;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The other fishwrap refused to archived cleanly. Failed with a generic "content not available in your region" error page being archived instead.
1838823;1533154681;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/08/reddit-hacked-user-data-taken/ << Qntra - Reddit Hacked, User Data Taken
1838824;1533158919;diana_coman;after reading around on this mess with the usb speeds, the summary + questions would be: 1. the dwc_otg seems actually specific to raspberry pi so I don't see how it's directly useful atm; am I missing something?  2. the manual/runtime pill so far relies on the companion mechanism to force a USB port down from "high speed" to "full speed" so basically from ehci to uhci/ohci; wouldn't it make more sense to blacklist ehci, xhci and whatever
1838825;1533158920;diana_coman;other "improved" xxxxhci and stick with uhci/ohci?
1838826;1533158973;diana_coman;asciilifeform, perhaps ^
1838827;1533159027;diana_coman;trinque, esp re why ehci if you can shed some light ^
1838828;1533159171;asciilifeform;diana_coman: seems that you're right re the flag, it is specific to a nonstandard kernel
1838829;1533159184;asciilifeform;building a kernel without xhci would almost certainly do the job tho
1838830;1533159283;diana_coman;I'm actively looking for any reason why xhci should be allowed in
1838831;1533159364;asciilifeform;diana_coman: on server ? can't think of any, aside from 'backups to/from external drives'
1838832;1533159391;asciilifeform;( i can't afford it on dulap, because it also doubles as reimaging station for rockchippen , but s.mg prolly can safely say goodbye to usb3 )
1838833;1533159402;asciilifeform;err, usb2
1838834;1533159405;asciilifeform;( 3 by implication also )
1838835;1533159423;asciilifeform;iirc ehci == usb2 , xhci == usb3
1838836;1533159435;diana_coman;well yes, and 10 or whatever they come up with next
1838837;1533159520;asciilifeform;diana_coman: 'nexts' wouldn't affect the existing iron tho.
1838838;1533159556;asciilifeform;one type of existing machine where we can't afford to lose usb3 is the rockchip, it would be quite unusable without it ( main disk is solely usb3 )
1838839;1533159584;diana_coman;so hm, on rockchip then FG are actually usable only with manual downgrade of usb port ?
1838840;1533159625;asciilifeform;diana_coman: problem dun seem to exist on my desk rockchip. ( and in the end we'll move the rk FGs over to the convenient built-in TTL serialports )
1838841;1533159660;asciilifeform;diana_coman: re usb1 forcing, i was thinking the proper pill might be to write a shell thing that parses output of lsusb -t and does the correct magics ; rather than modded kernel
1838842;1533159676;diana_coman;ah, built-in ttl serialports sounds good, yes; re problem dun seem to exist, mhm, I'd rather expect it would pop up sooner or later if used intensively in this little&frequent style
1838843;1533159687;asciilifeform;( if diana_coman wants to take a crack at this, worx, otherwise asciilifeform will do it later this wk )
1838844;1533159699;diana_coman;and yes, otherwise I was thinking that a script can't be all that difficult to write for it too
1838845;1533159716;asciilifeform;really a sed/awk 1liner
1838846;1533159721;diana_coman;but now I admit I got angry with ehci after all of today's barfing on the topic
1838847;1533159847;asciilifeform;for all the usb2/3 suckage, it sadly remains the only means to connect fast external disks to pc.
1838848;1533159874;asciilifeform;( i won't dignify 'esata' with a mention, it is flaky in asciilifeform's experience, and not really usable on racked boxen )
1838849;1533160941;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-01#1838724 << on the positive score, kernel patch for cuntoo killing this with fire quite feasible.
1838850;1533160941;a111;Logged on 2018-08-01 16:03 asciilifeform: 'After much researching it seems this is NOT a driver bug but a CHANGE in the kernel Serial API semantics. What has happened is that the API now blocks when a Serial device is not indicating it is ready. This included 'open' on a serial device which now can block. Since lots of RS232 serial devices do not bother with any control signals such as DCD (data carrier detect) they never indicate they are ready and open blocks. This is the
1838851;1533160961;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: eat the l0g...
1838852;1533160967;mircea_popescu;eating, eating.
1838853;1533160993;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-01#1838730 << 1. put the old thing back in.
1838854;1533160993;a111;Logged on 2018-08-01 16:08 asciilifeform: 2 possible tacks -- 1) kill, with flamethrower, 'new api' 2) FG opened once per machine boot and left running into buffer
1838855;1533161025;mircea_popescu;there is no such thing as data that is all three of 1) random ; 2) useful and 3) buffered.
1838856;1533161027;mircea_popescu;pick any two.
1838857;1533161087;mircea_popescu;1-3 is exactly http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-01#1838591 ; 1-2 is FG ; 2-3 is science, as in http://trilema.com/2017/is-it-still-rape-if-i-write-science-on-my-penis-first/ item.
1838858;1533161087;a111;Logged on 2018-08-01 01:52 asciilifeform could not muster the fuck-giving to read the payload, has nfi what the thing wants
1838859;1533161099;mircea_popescu;and that's a complete world-enumeration.
1838860;1533161148;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: observe that i did not put a ram buffer in FG (aside from the 16bit debias/accumulator ) , it was not happenstance.
1838861;1533161163;mircea_popescu;right. and i didn't say anything about this then, either. also not :)
1838862;1533161168;asciilifeform;( erry heathen rng i know of , includes... )
1838863;1533161251;mircea_popescu;but ofcourse.
1838864;1533161484;asciilifeform;there's likewise a reason i did not publish a 'demon' to go with FG. ideally random bitz oughta live the shortest possible life, and walk shortest possible path from point of birth to use.
1838865;1533161553;asciilifeform;if somebody absolutely positively MUST buffer his FG, because, idk, he's generating a icbm launch key and wants to xorlemma 8 weeks of entropy into 4096b, oughta do it ~in his proggy~ imho.
1838866;1533161833;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-01#1838829 << this is quite conceivably the right solution, and imo a fine candidate for cuntoo list.
1838867;1533161833;a111;Logged on 2018-08-01 21:33 asciilifeform: building a kernel without xhci would almost certainly do the job tho
1838868;1533161862;mircea_popescu;yes, you miss out on downloading sony camera contents in such a manner as the "your media contains pictures!!!" popup can shoot "usefully fast". this is not a permitted usecase anyway.
1838869;1533161871;mircea_popescu;losers shouldn't evne have cameras in the first place.
1838870;1533161930;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-01#1838832 << i'll bet you you'll very much want to, and soon enough.
1838871;1533161930;a111;Logged on 2018-08-01 21:36 asciilifeform: ( i can't afford it on dulap, because it also doubles as reimaging station for rockchippen , but s.mg prolly can safely say goodbye to usb3 )
1838872;1533161952;asciilifeform;i ain't waiting 3 wks to reimage a motherfuckign 64GB stick.
1838873;1533161994;mircea_popescu;sure.
1838874;1533162021;asciilifeform;( bad enuff that i only even have usb2, not 3, on dulap, and it takes 3hrs )
1838875;1533162100;asciilifeform;imho at the very least usb jacks oughta default to 1, and if really needs the uglyhax of 2/3 should have to manually trigger. rather than the current sad.
1838876;1533162160;mircea_popescu;i can see it.
1838877;1533162183;asciilifeform;incidentally , lack of a sane usb2 chipset is what's holding up the lyso crystal super-FG item
1838878;1533162192;asciilifeform;( there's no reasonable way to connect it to pc , currently )
1838879;1533162198;mircea_popescu;but in any case usb-+ should not be on mainline kernel. let he who runs rockchip farm patch in the ugly.
1838880;1533162222;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform could you make it a board ? use the agpx connector lol
1838881;1533162241;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the only board holes in current boxen are pcie, and that's megatonne of stateful logic
1838882;1533162247;asciilifeform;( not even sure it'd fit on an ice40 )
1838883;1533162263;mircea_popescu;aww
1838884;1533162276;asciilifeform;'can't have nice things'(tm)(r)
1838885;1533162292;mircea_popescu;yeah, ye olde boards weren't unusable enough, had to get rid of amirite.
1838886;1533162305;asciilifeform;it'dve made an ideal isa card, lol
1838887;1533162325;mircea_popescu;you know '?
1838888;1533162338;mircea_popescu;ftr, i still have boards running my amds with proper isa cards...
1838889;1533162341;asciilifeform;( isa was a joy to interface, dun even need fpga, 3-4 ttl chips and you're cooking )
1838890;1533162343;mircea_popescu;heck, right now typing on one.
1838891;1533162351;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: metoo, soundblaster64gold 4evah
1838892;1533162352;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, i know.
1838893;1533162402;mircea_popescu;you know, i'm tempted to put "must have 4x isa" on the reqs list for tmsr mobo ANYWAY.
1838894;1533162406;mircea_popescu;might as well make isa lyso.
1838895;1533162429;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: so happens i have a seekrit draft of ice40+isa toy
1838896;1533162438;mircea_popescu;lol.
1838897;1533162441;mircea_popescu;surprised, i am not.
1838898;1533162446;asciilifeform;( it wants 5v, which is a bitch, but not particularly hard to levelshift )
1838899;1533162513;asciilifeform;phunphakt : the slot connectors are still made.
1838900;1533162570;mircea_popescu;yup.
1838901;1533162578;mircea_popescu;we're not the only ones to have noticed
1838902;1533162592;mircea_popescu;(if the putative fast oscilloscope ever got interfaced with killer micro box, it'd be through isa also, i'm sure.)
1838903;1533162615;asciilifeform;not only, but one can still get astonishingly fast adc isa cards secondhand, ready to roll.
1838904;1533162625;mircea_popescu;yup.
1838905;1533162632;asciilifeform;there's a whole 'underground' market in ye olde goodstuff.
1838906;1533162873;*;asciilifeform brb,tea
1838907;1533165823;mod6;BingoBoingo: feel free to wipe mats' rockchip when you have a spare moment.
1838908;1533165878;BingoBoingo;mod6: The one in question is "C" correct?
1838909;1533166074;mod6;I don't have information on which letter assignment is which.
1838910;1533166085;mod6;ben_vulpes: can you send me this mapping if you have it?
1838911;1533166096;mod6;All I know is that mats has number '196'.
1838912;1533166172;BingoBoingo;Aite, alf should be able to confirm when he gets back from tea
1838913;1533166521;mod6;cool.  the '196' number is what I received from ben in that latest document that I marked up.
1838914;1533166811;mircea_popescu;you know, all these "Random names" have a distinct handmade flavour.
1838915;1533166851;BingoBoingo;Well, that's why they call the beast "Dirty Randy"
1838916;1533166997;mircea_popescu;lol
1838917;1533167257;BingoBoingo;Whitened and bleached the random to the point the sweat stains leaked a very pattered yellowing
1838918;1533167315;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo, mod6 : *196 == 'C' , confirmed
1838919;1533167351;BingoBoingo;Aite, I'll walk over and stretch the legs now.
1838920;1533167381;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it wouldn't surprise me if the spamola bots were fleanode lusers pwnd via http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-01#1838823
1838921;1533167381;a111;Logged on 2018-08-01 20:18 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/08/reddit-hacked-user-data-taken/ << Qntra - Reddit Hacked, User Data Taken
1838922;1533167453;mircea_popescu;me either.
1838923;1533167469;mircea_popescu;then again, 0 cloacks, so maybe not.
1838924;1533167481;mircea_popescu;but it wouldn't surprise me if it were lusers, which is close enough.
1838925;1533167521;asciilifeform;( i.e. pre-existing lusers, rather than sybils baked for the occasion )
1838926;1533167898;mircea_popescu;lessee... what was the test ?
1838927;1533167936;mircea_popescu;!$ssh 115.84.92.92
1838928;1533168053;mircea_popescu;apparently this is dead ?
1838929;1533168056;mircea_popescu;!$help
1838930;1533168065;mircea_popescu;!$ ssh 115.84.92.92
1838931;1533168075;asciilifeform;was Framedragger_'s , neh
1838932;1533168083;mircea_popescu;!$ ssh 197.53.92.104
1838933;1533168090;mircea_popescu;!$ ssh 159.192.248.185
1838934;1533168096;mircea_popescu;!$ ssh 209.107.210.162
1838935;1533168108;mircea_popescu;!$ ssh 216.151.183.64
1838936;1533168115;mircea_popescu;!$ ssh 197.39.84.100
1838937;1533168123;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform apparently they're all domestic routers.
1838938;1533168157;asciilifeform;lol!!
1838939;1533168162;asciilifeform;not terribly astonishing tho.
1838940;1533168231;mircea_popescu;!$ ssh 200.62.176.35
1838941;1533168246;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-22#1630856 << apparently it's actually dead tho.
1838942;1533168246;a111;Logged on 2017-03-22 16:49 scriba: ssh banner of 200.62.176.35 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9
1838943;1533168273;mircea_popescu;!Qlater tell spyked any interest adding ^ functionality to spykedbot ?
1838944;1533168274;lobbesbot;mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
1838945;1533168400;asciilifeform;in other quasi-noose, asciilifeform derived the general form of pulse equation for http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-22#1837163 . and the antenna geometry...
1838946;1533168400;a111;Logged on 2018-07-22 17:07 asciilifeform: interestingly, both tx and rx end is considerably simpler, physically, than conventional periodic radio -- you dun need oscillators, tuners, at all. aside from pulse shaper, whole thing fits in fpga.
1838947;1533168437;asciilifeform;turns out, pretty simple.
1838948;1533168704;mod6;<+asciilifeform> BingoBoingo, mod6 : *196 == 'C' , confirmed << thanks asciilifeform!
1838949;1533169472;BingoBoingo;mod6 asciilifeform Drive is in place for reimaging
1838950;1533169497;asciilifeform;ty BingoBoingo . will be ready be end of wk.
1838951;1533169853;mod6;nice!
1838952;1533169928;mod6;Lords and Ladies, one rockchip has become available (ready by end of the week), who wants it!  $75/mo if you sign up for a quarter, $100/mo on a month to month.
1838953;1533169983;mod6;BingoBoingo asciilifeform ben_vulpes : correct me if I'm wrong, but we have a bunch of FGs available (with cables now) right?
1838954;1533170000;BingoBoingo;mod6: we do indeed
1838955;1533170021;mod6;nice
1838956;1533170048;mod6;All: 0.00104167 BTC/mo. to attach an FG to your newly rented Rockchip!
1838957;1533170066;mod6;First come, first serve.  Let us know. :]
1838958;1533176642;BingoBoingo;* neo-cool21 has quit (Killed (Unit193 (Spam is not permitted on freenode.)) << Oh the IRC-Cops have a filter nao?
1838959;1533185543;mircea_popescu;in other sorta-lulz : ewing's sarcoma is an extrmely rare (sarcomas are in general rare in humans, but this is bone-ish origin, so even rarer) that presents in about 5 cases per million in the us, about 2 cases per million in the rest of the "industrialized world" aka pantsuitlands, and sub 1 per million in the rest of the world in general.
1838960;1533185567;mircea_popescu;HOWEVER it presents in 3 cases per 20 kids in a "temporary class" in north carolina while their school underwent renovation.
1838961;1533185582;mircea_popescu;all i can say is thank you hillary clinton for stopping smoking.
1838962;1533215180;asciilifeform;!!deed http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/LQWT8/?raw=true
1838963;1533215184;deedbot;accepted: 1
1838964;1533215205;asciilifeform;mod6, mircea_popescu , ben_vulpes , trinque , et al, plox to update noad tables.
1838965;1533215231;asciilifeform;( asciilifeform's local isp has dynamic ip, but changes erry other year or so )
1838966;1533215265;asciilifeform;pretty annoying, actually, every yr i wake up to a mess of broken ssh pipes...
1838967;1533215675;asciilifeform;trb noad is up again as of nao.
1838968;1533215708;asciilifeform;( tbf, was up previously, simply returning old ip to peers )
1838969;1533215894;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-01#1838902 << was rereading this thread, and realized that sadly nodice: 16bit (late years) isa, x 8MHz gives you 16MB/sec theoretical max, which is no kind of serious scope at all
1838970;1533215894;a111;Logged on 2018-08-01 22:29 mircea_popescu: (if the putative fast oscilloscope ever got interfaced with killer micro box, it'd be through isa also, i'm sure.)
1838971;1533215938;asciilifeform;if one is willing to dispense with vintage cards, and take it to the 20MHz or so (beyond which the capacitance of the contacts becomes problem) that's still not anywhere near GB/s
1838972;1533216117;asciilifeform;however! this does not mean that the 'progress' idiocy where they replaced isa with a stateful monstrosity, is justified -- one could still have an isa-style bus today (i.e. directly addressable by cpu, and cards have simple 'is this for me?' logic, rather than book-length ???? )
1838973;1533216171;asciilifeform;but point being, 'killer scope' won't be plugged into same bus as soundblaster16...
1838974;1533219317;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/bundle-534848.txt
1838975;1533221248;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in dept of 'the lady doth protest too much', http://www.contravex.com/#footnote_12_21699
1838976;1533221305;mod6;asciilifeform: ack, will update here sometime today
1838977;1533221346;asciilifeform;ty mod6
1838978;1533221569;asciilifeform;diana_coman, mircea_popescu : i'd still recommend adding a timeout ( and log alarm if it ever actually times out ) to the FG reader in the s.mg routine -- it isn't physically impossible for the box to die
1838979;1533221643;asciilifeform;( theoretical lifetime of FG is anywhere from 30+ yrs , until electron migration nails the eeprom in the cpld , but nobody actually knows, tho fwiw this particular chip existed since 1997 iirc and no known failures , so lives at least this long )
1838980;1533221705;asciilifeform;the added bonus would be that if run on a misconfigured system, it will do something moar informative than simply hang.
1838981;1533223833;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in resurrected vintage lulz : linus agreed ( https://archive.is/aFETR ) to merge the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-12#1796987 shitshow into kernel .
1838982;1533223833;a111;Logged on 2018-04-12 15:22 asciilifeform: zx2c4: author of 'wireguard' ?
1838983;1533224952;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform was it capped at 8mz ?!
1838984;1533224989;mircea_popescu;note, i said agpx!
1838985;1533225031;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: wasn't capped, originally was 1:1 with cpu clock, then starting with 386 or so started being divide-by-4
1838986;1533225068;mircea_popescu;i kinda missed that memo.
1838987;1533225072;asciilifeform;and lol agp ( interesting q, did anybody ever make something other than a vga card for it ? or for that matter, a mb with >1 hole )
1838988;1533225082;mircea_popescu;why lol ?
1838989;1533225102;mircea_popescu;afaik it even comes double-stacked on some boards, and is UTTERLY capable of gb/sa
1838990;1533225115;mircea_popescu;afaik also isa-on-steroids, but i've never looked THAT closely
1838991;1533225118;asciilifeform;lived for quite short time ( asciilifeform has all sorts of vintage gear but 0 boxen with agp remaining )
1838992;1533225123;mircea_popescu;sure as fuck it isn't the level of mess of usb.
1838993;1533225129;mircea_popescu;i have some.
1838994;1533225133;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it was moar interesting than this, was a ~port~ rather than bus, dedicated thing
1838995;1533225137;mircea_popescu;right.
1838996;1533225142;asciilifeform;sadly extinct.
1838997;1533225143;mircea_popescu;most of the vidcards are like are agp
1838998;1533225150;mircea_popescu;not fucking extinct at all!
1838999;1533225173;asciilifeform;well extinct in the dec alpha sense. ( 0 made since, idk, '07 ? )
1839000;1533225181;mircea_popescu;i wouldn't even bet on that.
1839001;1533225201;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what's your most recent mb with said hole ?
1839002;1533225213;mircea_popescu;but i do have 2-hole board right here, and the vga card to go with it.
1839003;1533225265;mircea_popescu;hmmm.... lessee
1839004;1533225276;asciilifeform;all i've left re agp, is the bound paper standard (yes..) . and it indeed permitted 2 holes ! but i've not ever encountered a mb that had the 2nd one populated
1839005;1533225453;asciilifeform;( my one gripe re agp, and i suspect the reason why nobody afaik made e.g. disk controller for it , is that it had asymmetric bw -- substantially faster output than input ; thing was specifically sharpened for vga )
1839006;1533225488;mircea_popescu;jesus this will take some degriming.
1839007;1533225497;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform afaik it's just pci tweaked.
1839008;1533225511;asciilifeform;right, but tweaked in particular direction.
1839009;1533226143;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: loox like last agp item ever mass marketed was radeon 4670 ( itself a rarity ), circa '08
1839010;1533226280;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform item is asrock, 939dual. here's a shot : https://i.testfreaks.com/images/products/340x170/247/asrock-939dual-sata2.888823.jpg
1839011;1533226283;mircea_popescu;(not mine)
1839012;1533226315;mircea_popescu;can't really tell when it was discontinued, or if. vendor actually still carries it : https://www.asrock.com/mb/ULi/939Dual-SATA2/index.asp
1839013;1533226324;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i see 2 diff slots in there ( not counting pci )
1839014;1533226335;mircea_popescu;right
1839015;1533226354;asciilifeform;what's the middle slot ? ( it isn't pin-compat with the yellow agp )
1839016;1533226388;mircea_popescu;of course from looking at their actual specs, they list "- 1 x AGP8X/4X slot, 1.5V only - PCI Express x16 slot" rather than dual agp per se.
1839017;1533226407;mircea_popescu;afaik agp ~= pci-e, but i suppose technically i might've actually misunderstood what's going on in my mobo ?!
1839018;1533226422;mircea_popescu;tbh i've not even thought about any of this in decade+.
1839019;1533226583;asciilifeform;pcie is the current pci ( as seen in e.g. the pizarro boxen )
1839020;1533226631;asciilifeform;agp was 1999-2008, roughly item, double-stacked pins, afaik only vga cards made for it.
1839021;1533226750;asciilifeform;http://www.asrock.com/mb/ULi/939Dual-SATA2 << your vintage mb . 1 agp slot, 3 trad pci, 2 pcie , and... 1 oddball 'future cpu slot', nfi if anything ever sold for it
1839022;1533226791;asciilifeform;( this was a kind of pestilence in early 2000s, there were 5-6 types of vendor-proprietary wtf-slots, afaik ~0 products sold for'em )
1839023;1533226793;mircea_popescu;no that's amd's mid 2010s chips
1839024;1533226810;mircea_popescu;well, maybe early.
1839025;1533226821;asciilifeform;for all i know, still going, somewhere.
1839026;1533226827;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know the vidcard actually has two feet, in both mid slots.
1839027;1533226858;asciilifeform;iirc agp '8x' had the 2nd foot
1839028;1533226867;*;asciilifeform has dusty old geforce4 , with these
1839029;1533226885;mircea_popescu;so the idea is, 2nd was only used for power or what am i missing ?
1839030;1533226888;asciilifeform;power
1839031;1533226895;mircea_popescu;hm.
1839032;1533226918;asciilifeform;and iirc was also attempt to cure the plague of massively-heatsinked gpu monster popping out of the slot during transport
1839033;1533226978;mircea_popescu;who the hell doesn't take it out ? can actually break the connector pcb part.
1839034;1533226999;mircea_popescu;aaanyway. so it turns out "2 slot" is really 2010s era fakery, not really used as such. and i fell for it!
1839035;1533227025;*;mircea_popescu gotta remember he's well advised to not put his 20yo self unfiltered in the chan, lol.
1839036;1533227030;asciilifeform;lol
1839037;1533227065;*;asciilifeform now has the notion that he has a board exactly like mircea_popescu's at the bottom of some ancient crate...
1839038;1533227107;mircea_popescu;kinda what threw me, "wtf are you talking rare, these were so pestilentially common for a summer or two even i ended up with some".
1839039;1533227131;mircea_popescu;but at least we figured out "vidcards i like" has~nothing to do with "dual slut", everything to do with ~how agp8x even is~.
1839040;1533227147;mircea_popescu;uhm, i mean slot. slot. srsly now. not freudian at all.
1839041;1533227154;asciilifeform;heh
1839042;1533227797;asciilifeform;from asciilifeform's pov, 2007-9 was 'peak mobo'. e.g. the http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1871 opteron, still in service, is circa '07 with '09 cpus
1839043;1533227850;asciilifeform;( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2014-06-20#725784 )
1839044;1533227850;a111;Logged on 2014-06-20 19:17 asciilifeform even now running amd hardware ('tyan' circa 2007) largely because amd mobos with ecc support and multiple pcie-16 slots have vanished into some mysterious black hole.
1839045;1533228040;asciilifeform;thing has all of the slots in use, even.
1839046;1533228987;mircea_popescu;just about.
1839047;1533233100;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/ye-autre-damozel/ << Trilema - Ye autre damozel.
1839048;1533239166;diana_coman;BingoBoingo, please plug back in the 2nd FG on smg test server; anytime in the next 10 hours is fine, I'll shutdown the machine now
1839049;1533239811;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: ty, I'll head over there in a little bit
1839050;1533242373;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/08/yet-another-unhackable-and-tamperproof-hardware-wallet-hacked-and-tampered/ << Qntra - Yet Another 'Unhackable' And 'Tamperproof' Hardware Wallet Hacked And Tampered
1839051;1533243316;asciilifeform;bahahahaha
1839052;1533243384;asciilifeform;'wireless hardware wallet' extra lolz
1839053;1533243604;BingoBoingo;tyvm
1839054;1533252442;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: You are plugged in once again
1839055;1533258060;hanbot;diana_coman http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/QZ6cM/?raw=true
1839056;1533258546;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/08/02/selected-costs-associated-with-furnishing-casa-boingo-for-the-curious/ << Bingo Blog - Selected Costs Associated With Furnishing Casa Boingo For The Curious
1839057;1533259840;mod6;asciilifeform: Ok, the Advertised Republican Node List has been updated with Zoolag's new IP.
1839058;1533259913;asciilifeform;ty mod6
1839059;1533259946;asciilifeform;dun forget to update your -addnode=.... folx.
1839060;1533260698;mod6;^ good call.
1839061;1533263552;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-27#1837996 << mircea_popescu thanks for starting this up
1839062;1533263552;a111;Logged on 2018-07-27 16:33 lobbesbot: AUCTION # 338 STARTED by mircea_popescu: 8.2k wFF q0 Opening: 1bn coppers Ending: 2018-08-03 16:33:06 UTC (168 hours)
1839063;1533263665;mod6;So let's talk through this a bit, I want to try to understand fully here, and perhaps others do as well...
1839064;1533263737;mod6;if I wanted to bid on the wFF (wired filthy fiats), i might for instance take the current price, $7,333 USD/BTC price and then bid as such:
1839065;1533263755;mod6;!Qcalc 1-(7333/8200)
1839066;1533263755;lobbesbot;mod6: 0.105731707317
1839067;1533263809;mod6;!Qcalc (1+0.10573170)*100
1839068;1533263809;lobbesbot;mod6: 110.57317
1839069;1533263820;mod6;whoops
1839070;1533263823;mod6;!Qcalc (1+0.10573170)*10
1839071;1533263823;lobbesbot;mod6: 11.057317
1839072;1533263833;mod6;denominated in ECU?
1839073;1533263869;mod6;1.10573170 BTC
1839074;1533263919;mod6;then if I should win the bid, the filthy fiats are wired to whatever bank eh?
1839075;1533263963;mod6;BingoBoingo: are you in a position to be able to receive the $2050 or so per/month that you need for this from a bank wire?
1839076;1533267453;mircea_popescu;mod6 yes.
1839077;1533267496;mircea_popescu;there's 1bn ecu to the btc atm.
1839078;1533267517;mircea_popescu;but i suppose if you search well you might even have that much in your acct.
1839079;1533267855;mod6;ah, ok thanks mircea_popescu
1839080;1533267942;mircea_popescu;anyway, logically just tell the dc they're getting a large chunk payment towards your acct, and it takes care of however many months or w/e. i guess. dunno, your show.
1839081;1533269193;BingoBoingo;mod6: I am
1839082;1533269257;mod6;BingoBoingo: That would be a nice way to go with the DC if they'll accept a payment bigger than the usual.
1839083;1533269273;BingoBoingo;mod6: They will take it.
1839084;1533269330;mod6;$8200 would cover us for a couple of months + some for sure.
1839085;1533269356;BingoBoingo;It would
1839086;1533269360;mircea_popescu;so there you go.\
1839087;1533269451;mod6;Ok, I'll put in a bid tomorrow, I gotta buy some ecu with pizarro's funds (im nearly certain I don't have 1bn or even near that in my eulora acct), then put in the bid.
1839088;1533269495;mod6;we should have enough time to make the wire before the deadline im pretty sure.
1839089;1533269573;mod6;auction ends tomorrow too.
1839090;1533269618;mod6;jurov: you still selling ecu for eulora?
1839091;1533269884;mod6;Thanks guys, we can pick this back up in the morning. Have a good night. :]
1839092;1533278216;danielpbarron;mod6, i'm the Eulora Preferred Trader
1839093;1533278387;danielpbarron;lemme know how much coppers you want and i'll invoice ya
1839094;1533282937;diana_coman;hanbot, ack, will do
1839095;1533282940;diana_coman;BingoBoingo, thanks!
1839096;1533303984;mod6;danielpbarron: Ok Sir: I need to purchase 12.00000000 ECU (1.2 billion)
1839097;1533304246;mod6;diana_coman: I tried to connect to eulora, but I suspect the problem is that I haven't tried to login since the new server moved to its new home at Pizarro.
1839098;1533304302;mod6;Err was "The server isn't available."
1839099;1533304316;mod6;Do I just need to point it at a new IP?
1839100;1533304322;mod6;ls
1839101;1533304633;mod6;ok nevermind, just updated servers.xml and am connected
1839102;1533307030;lobbes;mod6 dun forget, auction ends in ~2hrs >> http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-08-03.log.html#t14:15:25
1839103;1533307032;lobbesbot;Logged on 2018-08-03 14:15:25: <lobbesbot> A#338 O=1bn HB=1bn E=08-03 16:33:06 (2h17) >>> 8.2k wFF q0
1839104;1533307043;mod6;yeah was just looking for your bot help page
1839105;1533307061;mod6;can I put in a bid for "1.2bn" or does it need to be "1200mn" ?
1839106;1533307081;lobbes;(might be hard to see through the damn fleanode spam, of course :[ )
1839107;1533307090;mod6;np, i found that in the logs.
1839108;1533307103;lobbes;Yea, 1.2bn would work
1839109;1533307147;lobbes;Also accepts 'mn', 'k' etc.
1839110;1533307150;mod6;ok cool. i don't even have the ecu yet, i've only got about 50mn in my account at this very moment, but I trust that someone will sell them to me in time.
1839111;1533307296;mod6;!Qcalc 1-(7400/8200)
1839112;1533307297;lobbesbot;mod6: 0.0975609756098
1839113;1533307358;mod6;!Q bid 338 1.1bn
1839114;1533307359;lobbesbot;AUCTION # 338: 8.2k wFF q0 Heard: 1.1bn from mod6 overbidding danielpbarron Ending: 2018-08-03 16:33:06 UTC (1 hours 50 mins)
1839115;1533307498;mod6;this auction thing is pretty sweet, what can I say.  now if everything else falls into place, will be good.
1839116;1533309586;diana_coman;mod6, yes, new server is at new ip from pizarro :)
1839117;1533309616;mod6;Yup, found it on the eulora wiki.  Was easy to find, cheers!
1839118;1533310996;danielpbarron;mod6, you around to trade in game?
1839119;1533311002;mod6;yup
1839120;1533311011;mod6;im in the town area
1839121;1533311022;danielpbarron;the old one or the new one?
1839122;1533311036;mod6;is there a new town?!?!
1839123;1533311055;danielpbarron;yeah it's at -17 0 302
1839124;1533311058;mod6;im standing right next to you
1839125;1533311089;mod6;i miss playing eulora
1839126;1533311128;mod6;Thanks!
1839127;1533311139;danielpbarron;yw
1839128;1533311149;mod6;invoice me when ready, Sir.
1839129;1533311161;danielpbarron;already did
1839130;1533311167;mod6;oh :]
1839131;1533311179;mod6;!!received-invoices
1839132;1533311183;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/gwBRI/?raw=true
1839133;1533311433;mod6;!!pay-invoice danielpbarron 2
1839134;1533311437;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/J2raq/?raw=true
1839135;1533311692;mod6;!!v 939A4F0D6C07E8D36F4BA153A7BB88975A2FF114B030BD594977EBAD1B1BAA44
1839136;1533311695;deedbot;mod6 paid danielpbarron invoice 2
1839137;1533311767;mod6;!!ledger
1839138;1533311771;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/tfF6X/?raw=true
1839139;1533312521;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKckPDRW-jk << meanwhile, in 'man alone'
1839140;1533313004;diana_coman;hanbot, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/qsnSR/?raw=true
1839141;1533316378;hanbot;diana_coman got it, ty!
1839142;1533317026;mod6;brb meat
1839143;1533317254;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-26#1837808 << i just discovered i never paid this by going through the ledger looking for it and not finding it o.O ; sorry folks, will fix now.
1839144;1533317254;a111;Logged on 2018-07-26 03:58 mod6: !!invoice mircea_popescu 0.22505299 S.NSA colocation (dulap) through June 2019
1839145;1533317389;mircea_popescu;!!pay-invoice mod6 2
1839146;1533317393;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/14kFD/?raw=true
1839147;1533318671;mod6;back
1839148;1533318677;mod6;thanks mircea_popescu!
1839149;1533318822;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know phuctor stats still take forever to load. am i remiss in thinking this was solved ?
1839150;1533318862;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: noticed this myself , still creaks under load periodically. i've a new ver of frontend with saner caching, in the conveyor.
1839151;1533318880;asciilifeform;'stats' page is main culprit.
1839152;1533319085;mircea_popescu;aha.
1839153;1533319123;asciilifeform;in new ver , stats are generated by a cron.
1839154;1533319165;mircea_popescu;i like the "but do not run it quite yet" byline
1839155;1533319177;mod6;!!sent-invoices
1839156;1533319181;asciilifeform;lol
1839157;1533319181;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/yjRAy/?raw=true
1839158;1533319619;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: prolly oughta add the link to the 'little ripple' , http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-09#1832885
1839159;1533319619;a111;Logged on 2018-07-09 01:27 asciilifeform: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/391BBDCC87CBADA0F891176D9D45D80B7D5D076E4551151F42B104B717F5E449
1839160;1533319652;mircea_popescu;well... seeing how it's same day... i mean you literally say, "results later today"
1839161;1533319657;asciilifeform;aite
1839162;1533319663;mircea_popescu;anyway, more's the point, did we spend anything else ?
1839163;1533319671;asciilifeform;alert reader couldn't have missed it , yea
1839164;1533319677;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nope
1839165;1533319683;mircea_popescu;cool deal.
1839166;1533320221;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/no-such-labs-snsa-july-2018-statement/ << Trilema - No Such lAbs (S.NSA), July 2018 Statement
1839167;1533320250;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: did http://trilema.com/2018/no-such-labs-snsa-july-2018-statement/#selection-463.0-465.3 actually generate hate mail ? it didn't strike me as controversial at all
1839168;1533320272;mircea_popescu;it's complicated.
1839169;1533320294;asciilifeform;maybe i'm thick ? how ?
1839170;1533320315;mircea_popescu;but if you're bored one day, read ye olde tardstalk "investors" threads from the days of yore, before reddit invaded and everyone makes "new coins". then compare with yours, and figure out how and wherefore teh delta lol
1839171;1533320339;*;mircea_popescu shall meanwhile go eat with teh girls.
1839172;1533320344;asciilifeform;i was thinking, i read enuff of those for 1 lifetime..
1839173;1533320358;asciilifeform;( at one point went through hanbot's posts and the contexts )
1839174;1533320502;asciilifeform;i suppose from ye olde reddit 'hodl' pov ('why do anyffin with coin but to sit on it!') s.nsa, and likewise s.mg, pizarro, etc would look fundamentally damaged . but these folx, i expect, aren't tuned in to begin with.
1839175;1533320535;asciilifeform;they -- are somewhere else, 'sitting'.
1839176;1533320578;asciilifeform;how did mircea_popescu put it in that old essay, 'some people think that if they buy a big enuff house, it will never need to be cleaned'
1839177;1533320703;asciilifeform;likely, someone, somewhere, still imagines that 'btc will to the moon'(tm) without anybody actually ~doing anything~. but asciilifeform does not read reddit, so cannot say in detail re this pov.
1839178;1533321645;mircea_popescu;so because working out, and pressure to get protein, we're now having straight shrimp breakfasts. it's something else.
1839179;1533321666;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform basically, the "argument" is there, you know, "10k btc pizza!!1".
1839180;1533322718;asciilifeform;right, exactly the 'argument' i was thinking. by same argument 'why die at the front, stay home and wait to drink bavarian beer'
1839181;1533322734;asciilifeform;!#s leather seats
1839182;1533322734;a111;8 results for "leather seats", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=leather%20seats
1839183;1533322738;asciilifeform;^ see also.
1839184;1533322816;asciilifeform;( ever notice how nobody seems to notice how EVERY 20 $ pizza in '09 was '10,000 btc pizza' ? )
1839185;1533322834;asciilifeform;yet for some reason only ~that~ one's famous. go figure..
1839186;1533328180;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/08/mikrotic-routers-leveraged-for-brasilero-botnet-mining-recruitment/ << Qntra - Mikrotic Routers Leveraged For Brasilero Botnet Mining Recruitment
1839187;1533329182;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: s/mikrotic/mikrotik
1839188;1533332716;mircea_popescu;nekrotik also
1839189;1533332732;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform indeed.
1839190;1533332742;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-05#1578189 << lol aha
1839191;1533332742;a111;Logged on 2016-12-05 20:28 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-05#1577753 << both of'em, mikrotik 'RouterOS v6.35.2' >> i now say let's pronounce as in 'necrotic'.
1839192;1533332761;BingoBoingo;tyvm, fxd
1839193;1533332789;mircea_popescu;and not "for some reason" but specifically for the reason "it's not rape unless they specifically agree to it". yes everyone buying anything BUT bitcoin for $20 in 2010 WAS taking it, nice and knotty, up the tailpipe.
1839194;1533332845;mircea_popescu;however in the redditard logic, only the one who ~~~specifically agreed~~~ to a bitcoin-for-pizza trade counts. the rest didn't specifically agree and so "it can't be held against them". this is a thing, in the bible, and in inept school systems, and therefore... IT MUST BE HONORED!!!
1839195;1533332850;mircea_popescu;or else you're a pedopath whatever.
1839196;1533333005;asciilifeform;nutters.
1839197;1533333078;mircea_popescu;no but that's the problem with the dreamer : the very dream.
1839198;1533333097;mircea_popescu;"you can do anything" ie, in reverse "only what you dream up really exists"
1839199;1533333141;asciilifeform;i thought the fixation was opposite, 'can't do anyffing because notenuff privilege!' or the like
1839200;1533333145;asciilifeform;possibly i missed a memo
1839201;1533333335;asciilifeform;it remains troo, today! just as in 2010, if you buy a bottle of vodka -- that's a 'bitcoin vodka'.
1839202;1533333342;asciilifeform;just the same as the pizza was 'bitcoin pizza'.
1839203;1533333411;asciilifeform;the 'i didn't opt' button aint connected to anything. just like the traffic light buttons in ameristan.
1839204;1533333413;mircea_popescu;of course. and moreover, the girl you don't say hi to, the table you don't pay attention to, and every single last item in http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/
1839205;1533333417;mircea_popescu;which is indeed a lengthy list.
1839206;1533333424;asciilifeform;naturally.
1839207;1533334048;ben_vulpes;i miscalculated (under) the outgoing fiat total for pizarro last month by 186 USD; is the correct way to resolve that in this months statement to add an outgoing "adjustment" charge?
1839208;1533334315;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: now that you have the buttbox do you plan to rent the cowork desk in perpetuity?
1839209;1533334434;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i thought he left the cowork thing ( what's the use of it, if there's an actual flat )
1839210;1533334439;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: correct me if i'm wrong
1839211;1533334460;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: 'tis why i ask
1839212;1533334504;ben_vulpes;("if so wtf that's a terrible use of money, and only subjects you to more orcery in your face")
1839213;1533336689;mircea_popescu;!!deed http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/pxFN6/?raw=true
1839214;1533336727;mircea_popescu;!!deed http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ctOUU/?raw=true
1839215;1533336729;deedbot;accepted: 1
1839216;1533336732;mircea_popescu;tsk
1839217;1533336774;mircea_popescu;!!deed http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/umhyQ/?raw=true
1839218;1533336775;deedbot;accepted: 1
1839219;1533336780;mircea_popescu;there we go.
1839220;1533337232;BingoBoingo;<ben_vulpes> BingoBoingo: now that you have the buttbox do you plan to rent the cowork desk in perpetuity? << I plan to knock it down to a part time deal, but it is still the best place we have to recieve packages, and the cabin fever hit pretty hard last month.
1839221;1533337920;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 500 $ / mo. postbox?!
1839222;1533337958;asciilifeform;for srs?
1839223;1533338116;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/bundle-535076.txt
1839224;1533338270;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/minigame-smg-july-2018-statement/ << Trilema - MiniGame (S.MG), July 2018 Statement
1839225;1533338387;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: 311, going part time would take it to around 200
1839226;1533338490;BingoBoingo;And it's still seeing use as a desk.
1839227;1533340941;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: still no working desk in the flat ??
1839228;1533341255;BingoBoingo;I'm working a lot in the flat, but I've been getting hit with the cabin fever pretty hard since leaving the hostel. I've been using the cowork desk to get my dose of social orcnoise.
1839229;1533341293;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: consider lappy + cafe ( like, iirc, phf does ) , cheaper...
1839230;1533341495;mod6;Attn Pizarro Customers: The auction was settled at $8200.00, and will be used as the price point for August invoices.
1839231;1533342001;mod6;!!Qcalc ((0.42967914/12)+0.022)
1839232;1533342015;mod6;!+Qcalc ((0.42967914/12)+0.022)
1839233;1533342023;mod6;!~Qcalc ((0.42967914/12)+0.022)
1839234;1533342043;mod6;!Qcalc ((0.42967914/12)+0.022)
1839235;1533342044;lobbesbot;mod6: 0.057806595
1839236;1533342112;mod6;!!invoice mircea_popescu 0.057806595 August 2018 invoice for UY3
1839237;1533342117;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/n1rJN/?raw=true
1839238;1533342211;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I'll give some cafes a try, but a side effect of the Mate crack pipes is that there aren't many cafes, and... Looking for a combination cafe+package reception kinda reinvents the cowork thing again.
1839239;1533342315;mod6;!Qcalc (75+75+75)/8200
1839240;1533342316;lobbesbot;mod6: 0.0274390243902
1839241;1533342338;mod6;BingoBoingo: if you want to renew your rockchip for 1 quarter, this will be the price ^
1839242;1533342389;BingoBoingo;ty
1839243;1533342420;BingoBoingo;Roughly how far out is a Cuntoo image for Rockchip?
1839244;1533342425;mod6;!Qcalc 141.70/8200
1839245;1533342426;lobbesbot;mod6: 0.0172804878049
1839246;1533342509;mod6;!!invoice jurov 0.01728048 August Invoice for The Bitcoin Foundation's colo service. #foundation #pizarro
1839247;1533342512;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/GDDF9/?raw=true
1839248;1533342561;mod6;!Qcalc (141.70/8200)+0.003
1839249;1533342561;lobbesbot;mod6: 0.0202804878049
1839250;1533342604;mod6;!!invoice trinque 0.02028048 August Invoice for colocation service and shared shell at pizarro
1839251;1533342608;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/g4DOH/?raw=true
1839252;1533342805;trinque;mod6: just to be clear, so far ben_vulpes has billed in arrears. we're moving to billing in advance?
1839253;1533342815;trinque;I don't have a problem with that, but like things to be defined
1839254;1533342870;trinque;lemme pull a list of invoice dates for ya
1839255;1533342900;mod6;ben_vulpes said at the end of last month that I should send the august ones as soon as I have the price point.  which is also what I committed to doing when we had this last go-around a week ago.
1839256;1533342934;mod6;I'm just trying to stick to what I said I would do so you'd be happy.
1839257;1533342956;ben_vulpes;trinque has it, mod6 is billing in advance now.
1839258;1533342978;mod6;Ok, that contradicts what you asked me to do, and what we said we'd do.
1839259;1533342993;ben_vulpes;mod6: no, what you have just done is bill for august service at the beginning of august.
1839260;1533342994;*;trinque isn't pissed, just asking the question, as I didn't see an announcement
1839261;1533342994;mod6;So should I cancel those invoices or what is the plan here?
1839262;1533343003;trinque;mod6: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/I8ETC/?raw=true
1839263;1533343042;ben_vulpes;mod6: everything is kosher, trinque wants clarity on arrears vs advance. what you are doing is billing in advance.
1839264;1533343043;trinque;I've (more or less!) been paying at the end of the month for the prior month. I'm happy to begin paying for the month ahead, if y'all want that, but we oughta say what the policy is for the logs
1839265;1533343058;mod6;i dont' really know what arreass is
1839266;1533343067;ben_vulpes;arrears are for services rendered already.
1839267;1533343074;mod6;clearly i'm not the man for this, just trying to keep things moving.
1839268;1533343096;ben_vulpes;mod6: you're doing a great job, don't hang yourself over a term of art.
1839269;1533343105;mod6;and keeping clients happy, which im having a hard time doing.
1839270;1533343118;ben_vulpes;mod6: note he did not say that he was pissed, quite the contrary.
1839271;1533343119;trinque;I'm just asking educational questions, is all
1839272;1533343162;ben_vulpes;billing as soon as the price signal is set avoids further waffling over spread between when price signal is set and when bills go out. necessarily entails a move to billing in advance.
1839273;1533343167;mod6;The invoices that I just made cover the service through the month of August.  Invoices received need to be paid by the last day of August.
1839274;1533343178;trinque;cool deal, that's exactly what I wanted in the logs
1839275;1533343180;ben_vulpes;great!
1839276;1533343196;mod6;Ok aweome.  Thx.
1839277;1533343201;trinque;and thank you!
1839278;1533343620;mod6;!!v 646B0F8356894CF24B00725362F3F5ECA3FBE279832EDF28A16348E6DBBB9889
1839279;1533343623;deedbot;Invoiced mircea_popescu 0.057806595 << August 2018 invoice for UY3
1839280;1533343641;mod6;!!v 0B55B685916F50B97FEAAE35C8A6A4591CE1B56F1D883225133D8F6C85B8D961
1839281;1533343646;deedbot;Invoiced jurov 0.01728048 << August Invoice for The Bitcoin Foundation's colo service. #foundation #pizarro
1839282;1533343658;mod6;!!v D45113700F92244BD144669414FC1FD44A7D5819AE34FB08A6B69235A8540DD0
1839283;1533343661;deedbot;Invoiced trinque 0.02028048 << August Invoice for colocation service and shared shell at pizarro
1839284;1533343694;mod6;Alright, last one that remains is BingoBoingo's should he decide to renew for a quarter.  Of which, there is a price quote above.
1839285;1533343705;mod6;!Qcalc 100/8200
1839286;1533343706;lobbesbot;mod6: 0.0121951219512
1839287;1533343725;mod6;^ price for 1 month too, should BingoBoingo decide on month-to-month.
1839288;1533343739;mod6;Let me know what works!
1839289;1533343901;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-04#1839243 << attempting one as we speak ( if no dice, will reflash the vacant rk with classical img )
1839290;1533343901;a111;Logged on 2018-08-04 00:27 BingoBoingo: Roughly how far out is a Cuntoo image for Rockchip?
1839291;1533343908;trinque;!!v 3E996764340AB3F151BAC8371DD6F8AE123527064DE756DE8FFE0E35CA343B13
1839292;1533343911;deedbot;trinque paid mod6 invoice 3
1839293;1533343917;trinque;cheers folks, back later
1839294;1533344070;mod6;thanks trinque!
1839295;1533345071;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo mod6 asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/6dB0R/?raw=true << detailed walkthrough of how i've been generating reports for pizarro, along with trial report for july. will doublecheck numbers tomorrow and finalize.
1839296;1533346102;mod6;Hey, nice ben_vulpes!  Thanks for putting that together, I'll comb through it tomorrow and check numbers.
1839297;1533354491;mircea_popescu;mod6 how did it settle at 8200 if you ended up paying 1.1 for it or w/e
1839298;1533354922;mod6;did I do that wrong?
1839299;1533355014;mod6;was thinking i had to "buy 8200 fiats" for 1.1, and that was the rate.
1839300;1533355779;mod6;how do i figure out the rate?
1839301;1533355807;mod6;i will cancel the outstanding invoices, and send back trinque's money.  and re-invoice everyone at the correct rate.
1839302;1533355810;mircea_popescu;if you buy 1.1 drinks for 9 dollars the drink rate is 9/1.1 not 9 yes ?
1839303;1533355837;mircea_popescu;if youi buy a tank of gas for 50 bux gas isn't now 50bux a GALON, it's 50 bux a tank.
1839304;1533355885;mod6;!Qcalc 8200/1.1
1839305;1533355886;lobbesbot;mod6: 7454.54545455
1839306;1533355890;mod6; this ^
1839307;1533355891;mod6;?
1839308;1533355976;mircea_popescu;seems so. you don't see it ?
1839309;1533355998;*;mircea_popescu pulls the actual data
1839310;1533356007;mod6;seems to make sense, anyway.
1839311;1533356008;mircea_popescu;nfi why this is so anti-intuitive lol
1839312;1533356020;mircea_popescu; AUCTION # 338 has ENDED: 8.2k wFF q0 SOLD to mod6 for 1.1bn coppers. Attn: mircea_popescu
1839313;1533356028;mod6;i think there was a lot of mental gymnastics I had to do.
1839314;1533356029;mircea_popescu;there you go, yeah.
1839315;1533356031;mod6;confused myself.
1839316;1533356050;mod6;alright, will re-do.
1839317;1533356166;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-04#1839230 << Sorry all, I screwed this up.  Will cancel all invoices, and re-price & re-do.  Anyone who paid, will be refunded the exact amount, and reinvoiced at the correct amount.
1839318;1533356166;a111;Logged on 2018-08-04 00:11 mod6: Attn Pizarro Customers: The auction was settled at $8200.00, and will be used as the price point for August invoices.
1839319;1533356273;mod6;*sigh*
1839320;1533356277;mod6;!!sent-invocies
1839321;1533356283;mod6;!!sent-invoices
1839322;1533356288;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/L24gu/?raw=true
1839323;1533356467;mod6;!!cancel-invoice mircea_popescu 3
1839324;1533356471;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/VRcra/?raw=true
1839325;1533356477;mod6;!!cancel-invoice jurov 3
1839326;1533356481;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/dCK2W/?raw=true
1839327;1533356498;mod6;!!pay trinque 0.02028048
1839328;1533356502;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/5jWhT/?raw=true
1839329;1533357037;mod6;!!v F9B6E58EC6C6D82F22D1D81EAC8CC603B30A941E6FFA6A12A4D48845F120E27E
1839330;1533357040;deedbot;mod6 canceled mircea_popescu invoice 3
1839331;1533357050;mod6;!!v 89A1ED6A3F48C1CAEE02EE4F65A0BC3FD09F381B3D030C60CD118662FCF391B8
1839332;1533357053;deedbot;mod6 canceled jurov invoice 3
1839333;1533357103;mod6;!!v 49444AD95AE10A40C8C274D2730499414909FC8998FDDAB306E6B04343BE58AE
1839334;1533357106;deedbot;mod6 paid trinque 0.02028048
1839335;1533357142;mod6;shit, I didn't even need to cancel the one for S.MG.
1839336;1533357143;mod6;grrrr
1839337;1533357174;mod6;!!invoice mircea_popescu 0.057806595 August 2018 invoice for UY3
1839338;1533357181;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/FE4NX/?raw=true
1839339;1533357206;mircea_popescu;did i just talk myself into a 10% bill increase ? :D
1839340;1533357226;mod6;!!Qcalc (75+75+75)/7454.54
1839341;1533357251;mod6;smh
1839342;1533357256;mod6;!Qcalc (75+75+75)/7454.54
1839343;1533357256;lobbesbot;mod6: 0.0301829489144
1839344;1533357271;mod6;BingoBoingo: Quarterly ^
1839345;1533357274;mod6;(for rockchip)
1839346;1533357282;mod6;!Qcalc 100/7454.54
1839347;1533357283;lobbesbot;mod6: 0.0134146439619
1839348;1533357297;mod6;BingoBoingo: Monthly ^ for rockchip
1839349;1533357315;mod6;!Qcalc 141.70/7454.54
1839350;1533357316;lobbesbot;mod6: 0.0190085504941
1839351;1533357403;mod6;!!invoice jurov August 0.01900855 August Invoice for The Bitcoin Foundation's colo service. #foundation #pizarro
1839352;1533357407;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1YC8y/?raw=true
1839353;1533357413;mod6;lol
1839354;1533357418;*;mod6 drops head
1839355;1533357443;mod6;!!invoice jurov 0.01900855 August Invoice for The Bitcoin Foundation's colo service. #foundation #pizarro
1839356;1533357447;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Cvcr9/?raw=true
1839357;1533357508;mod6;!Qcalc (141.70/7454.54)+0.003
1839358;1533357508;lobbesbot;mod6: 0.0220085504941
1839359;1533357566;mod6;!!invoice trinque 0.02200855 August Invoice for colocation service and shared shell at pizarro
1839360;1533357570;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ZmomO/?raw=true
1839361;1533357987;mod6;!!v 219DA25EE262A213C10A08827D05B276CD994D309FF1DC98178FB1EA80B8EC0C
1839362;1533357990;deedbot;Invoiced mircea_popescu 0.057806595 << August 2018 invoice for UY3
1839363;1533358001;mod6;!!v FA8D85ADF1942C3ECF43C9FC1D7272AA88A0E50160C8451BC865F1BD46A8BE01
1839364;1533358004;deedbot;Invoiced jurov 0.01900855 << August Invoice for The Bitcoin Foundation's colo service. #foundation #pizarro
1839365;1533358038;mod6;!!v 686B8C99989197732D824C678EB37FEFE65F4D2B01A2259F85E38DE86FFD27EE
1839366;1533358041;deedbot;Invoiced trinque 0.02200855 << August Invoice for colocation service and shared shell at pizarro
1839367;1533358086;mod6;Alright, now everything should be straight.
1839368;1533358128;mod6;All: The price point for August is now set at $7454.54.
1839369;1533388223;mircea_popescu;in other lulz,
1839370;1533388224;mircea_popescu;* Now talking on #freenode
1839371;1533388224;mircea_popescu;* Topic for #freenode is: We know about the spam. Please see https://freenode.net/news/spambot-attack for a detailed statement. | User mode +R blocks PMs from unregistered users. Activate it with: /mode <YourNick> +R | Welcome to #freenode |
1839372;1533388266;mircea_popescu;"christel on 2018-07-27 Many of you will have noticed that over the last few days there has been an extensive spambot wave on freenode, and on other networks." after which one loses interest in reading further, seeing how only a moron would use that lede.
1839373;1533389988;asciilifeform;via mircea_popescu's link >> https://freenode.net/news/freenode-live-keynotes << holy fuq, the barfology
1839374;1533390059;mircea_popescu;in which spirit, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/pwpgR/?raw=true  being the fecal consistency of #freenode the past half hour. >2k users, 0 useful product.
1839375;1533390136;asciilifeform;lol kilometre of joinpartola
1839376;1533390271;mircea_popescu;kinda made the point to me, that probably we're the only ones to even notice ; the cattle live in their barn on their cattle diet, shit's unremarkable to them.
1839377;1533390282;mircea_popescu;anyway, gave it half hour, seems enough.
1839378;1533390308;mircea_popescu;this shit though, where "feelings" became acceptable topics of conversation in public, has gotta fucking cease.
1839379;1533390330;mircea_popescu;harem girls have harem conversations IN THE FUCKING HAREM. ima talk to the master of the house, not to the chatterchorus.
1839380;1533390342;asciilifeform;'we have pheeelings! and will tell mother!'
1839381;1533390354;mircea_popescu;im not their fucking mother.
1839382;1533390401;asciilifeform;it's a prayer to the inca, wat. typical homo redditus fare.
1839383;1533390591;asciilifeform;usg.red set'em up a 'pedo scandal'(tm) to remove politically unreliable (i've nfi , but presumably even in this set of fleas there is a set of more- and less- nsa-approved halves ) ; so fleanode.blue whine ( redditus bonsaikitten has no response mechanism aside from the whine )
1839384;1533390626;asciilifeform;!#s appelbaum
1839385;1533390627;a111;30 results for "appelbaum", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=appelbaum
1839386;1533390630;asciilifeform;^ prior art.
1839387;1533391006;mircea_popescu;my take is more in the vein of "visual thinkers attempting to rehash the 'hilary pedophilia scandal' for substance and of course plastering '-gate' and 'journalists' labels is how markov chains work".
1839388;1533391066;mircea_popescu;exactly the same substance as the "artwork" basis of http://maddox.xmission.com/irule_.html
1839389;1533391082;mircea_popescu;"oh, that's a cat" "oh, journalists"
1839390;1533391204;mircea_popescu;in other ~equivalent lulz, the jewish lobby has undergone some massive effort to publicize romanian-born early 20th century jewry, resulting in huge wikipediaballs such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugen_Relgis
1839391;1533391321;mircea_popescu;(for comparison, eg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantin_Daicoviciu ; this is an actually important fellow, unlike random no-name http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-05#1810279 ; so it's quite clearly not the romanians being momentarily unlazy)
1839392;1533391321;a111;Logged on 2018-05-05 18:05 mircea_popescu: aand in other items of entomological interest, the wikipedia take on politicized pseudo-literary criticism is something else. aphra behn is lionized, because they're ever-so-desperate to discover, invent or if need be entirely hallucinate "remarkable" cuntbearers of the shakespeare period that some random jailbird is A HEROINE OF FEMINISM!!!
1839393;1533391401;mircea_popescu;(fellow also went to uruguay, is the tenuous point of apropos)
1839394;1533391410;asciilifeform;'Relgis lived the final decade of his life as a pensioner of the Uruguayan state—in 1985, a law raised his pensión graciable to 20,000 new pesos a month' << lol
1839395;1533391531;mircea_popescu;ikr.
1839396;1533391586;mircea_popescu;in case you're wondering how the argentina-uruguay-etc ended up the shitholes that they are, that's exactly it : gave their money away to anarcho-humanitary-pacifisto-veganist & feminists, because "sons of europe".
1839397;1533391617;mircea_popescu;as per ye olde http://trilema.com/2014/la-florida-and-other-places/#selection-121.0-121.824
1839398;1533391676;*;asciilifeform saw the nonagenarian italian zombies, still walking the streets of BingoBoingostan, with own eyes
1839399;1533391716;mircea_popescu;aha.
1839400;1533392013;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: as i understand, the .ar/.uy folk thought they could jury-rig a sort of 'alt-europe'.
1839401;1533392024;mircea_popescu;yup.
1839402;1533392025;asciilifeform;didn't, naturally, work ( recall the story of kurt tank )
1839403;1533392039;asciilifeform;even when they got the occasional functional brain.
1839404;1533392042;mircea_popescu;they didn't try though. the important part was in the jury-rigging.
1839405;1533392068;mircea_popescu;like one of those mcguyverists that's actually more committed to the duct taping process than to the end product.\
1839406;1533392075;asciilifeform;kurt tank tore out his hair, iirc 'they don't even know how to make machine screws'
1839407;1533392148;asciilifeform;somehow he harnessed the monkeys and built two whole jets. which then used in overthrow of peron, then rusted into dust.
1839408;1533392195;asciilifeform;iirc current ar 'air force' consists of surplus usg cropdusters.
1839409;1533392281;mircea_popescu;they even have submarines!
1839410;1533392293;asciilifeform;well, had, lol
1839411;1533392305;mircea_popescu;i can scarcely imagine a lulzier scene than argentina-borne monkeys inside german old diesel scrapmetal pile.
1839412;1533392338;asciilifeform;'...and if the tub had been stronger, my tale would have been longer'
1839413;1533392433;asciilifeform;( this item forgotten in en world, but lives on in ru , in the form of marshak's 'Три мудреца в одном тазу Пустились по морю в грозу. Будь попрочнее Старый таз, Длиннее Был бы мой рассказ.' )
1839414;1533392449;mircea_popescu;hah!
1839415;1533392600;mircea_popescu;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avram_Steuerman-Rodion << even better example, "Steuerman himself is often described as an obscure contributor to Romanian literature, but survives in cultural memory for having given a poetic voice to the ideals of Jewish integration. "
1839416;1533392612;mircea_popescu;dude, just come out and fucking say it! "he was nobody on a stick, but we're jews so..."
1839417;1533392626;mircea_popescu;what fucken "cultural memory".
1839418;1533394097;asciilifeform;hey they recently even 'made' harry houdini into jew
1839419;1533401517;mircea_popescu;http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-08-04.log.html#t16:18:15 << check it out, the smartasses are actually those http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-18#1752954 wanna-bes.
1839420;1533401517;a111;Logged on 2017-12-18 01:18 phf: "The l0de radio hour is a long-running live call-in show that irregularly broadcasts over the internet, and to pirate shortwave and FM stations. It is hosted by Lode Ray Dio, a gypsy hustler with a long history of fraud, grifting, and treason. The show is notable for its frequent cancellations, obscene and bizarre content, and a high rate of listener suicide."
1839421;1533401518;lobbesbot;Logged on 2018-08-04 16:18:15: <amar> /!\ ATTN: This channel has moved to irc.efnet.org #LRH /!\
1839422;1533401602;*;asciilifeform recalls ancient lulz, the 'hipcrime' spammer, who ended up becoming one of the last nails in the usenet coffin
1839423;1533401712;asciilifeform;( https://archive.is/hyPDp << see also )
1839424;1533401731;mircea_popescu;is anything smaller than anglo "culture" ? i mean we're plumbing http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-21#1788430 levels of tiny-ness over here.
1839425;1533401731;a111;Logged on 2018-03-21 16:44 mircea_popescu: "Like a bad ass she is, she proved to be wise beyond her years by standing head and shoulders (Or is it ass-tall) with the boys." doesn't even INTEND irony, you realise.
1839426;1533401798;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if only merely small (like pygmy) . instead, elephantiasis , hypertrophied organ, fills wheelbarrow, but function approaches 0
1839427;1533401984;mircea_popescu;this being the essence of provincialism, though, "have you heard about that guy ?" "oh, yeah, he's my wife's cousin"
1839428;1533402082;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: unrelatedly, asciilifeform recently set out to write an article, and went to look for the clay shards crypto item , and found nuffin but... our l0gz
1839429;1533402098;mircea_popescu;heh
1839430;1533402102;asciilifeform;no mention of subj, anywhere, en net, ru net, nowhere.
1839431;1533402137;asciilifeform;not the ancient clay, not the sawed-apart rifle shells from ww2, none of'em. somehow -- evaporated.
1839432;1533402224;asciilifeform;briefly thought 'it's in szabo's 'seals' piece' ( https://archive.is/5GQcR ) but turns out, nope.
1839433;1533402348;mircea_popescu;how did that idiocy go, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-04#1809349
1839434;1533402348;a111;Logged on 2018-05-04 17:15 zx2c4: mircea_popescu: oh. so. "the world doesnt care about the cool hackers on the internet, but only the assholes with prestigious positions." this has been a widely known complaint for a long time
1839435;1533402380;mircea_popescu;THAT is the fucking problem, in quite those terms. that i somehow care about the morons. cuz i must, cuz i'm their mother or some dumb shit. but aaanyways.
1839436;1533402426;asciilifeform;pretty surreal experience. picture if you sat down to write a piece on tanks, and decided to start with discussion of chariots, and then saw that somehow chariot is mentioned nowhere, and the very word -- forgotten
1839437;1533402502;mircea_popescu;the pretense that they're people will have to be abandoned sooner or later. like all idle pretense, it is unsustainable on the long term.
1839438;1533402522;mircea_popescu;"the man who marries a horse is an excentric man, not a man with a remarkable wife"
1839439;1533402546;mircea_popescu;even if "she" can count to 10
1839440;1533409466;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/08/germany-debates-starting-nuclear-weapons-program/ << Qntra - Germany Debates Starting Nuclear Weapons Program
1839441;1533415902;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu sets mode +r #trilema << RIP from_xxxx users...
1839442;1533416001;mircea_popescu;ok so i've set r mode ; which means only registered users can join. this will directly resolve the join/part spamolade ; but in general it's quite in line with the narrowing of tolerance for self-important douchebaggery, precisely in the vein of http://trilema.com/2018/the-republic-without-mp/#selection-175.0-179.0 ; http://trilema.com/2018/how-things-have-changed/ etcetera.
1839443;1533416015;asciilifeform;'allcomers' doors are expensive.
1839444;1533416035;asciilifeform;i admit i'm surprised that we were able to have one for this long.
1839445;1533416036;mircea_popescu;subhumans have no business here ; let them go to whatever castles the respective lords feel like making the allowance.
1839446;1533416067;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the fromphuctors can go to what do you call yours, #loperos ?
1839447;1533416074;asciilifeform;#asciilifeform
1839448;1533416081;mircea_popescu;in time, if actually cool enough, can even end up invited here.
1839449;1533416081;asciilifeform;i'ma fix the links shortly.
1839450;1533416097;mircea_popescu;alrighty then
1839451;1533416122;asciilifeform;errybody else who has similar derp gateway ( ...qntra ? ) oughta do the same.
1839452;1533416143;mircea_popescu;there's also #eulora an' #pizarro and iirc mod6 had one and a whole bunch. time to put them to work
1839453;1533416170;*;mircea_popescu stresses in any case that while precipitated by events, it's nevertheless where this was headed anyway. 
1839454;1533416235;*;asciilifeform goes back to macheteing away the fucking green hell that's engulfed his hovel
1839455;1533416262;mircea_popescu;and for good reason, if one's to weigh the input of rando noobies for the past whatever arbitrary interval, weeks, months, whatever patience may endure, he'll find OODLETONS of self-important douchebaggery, perhaps most eminently exemplified by the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-12#1824361 scammer ; and ~zilch actual contributing to go with it.
1839456;1533416262;a111;Logged on 2018-06-12 21:44 mircea_popescu: !!pay cnomad 0.1
1839457;1533416269;mircea_popescu;!!rated cnomad
1839458;1533416269;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated cnomad 1 at 2018/06/12 21:46:46 << dood either ran off with my boards or else produced an image of some sort ; we don't know the future yet
1839459;1533416286;mircea_popescu;!!rate cnomad -10 scammer, ran off with a dime.
1839460;1533416289;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ZleCB/?raw=true
1839461;1533416379;mircea_popescu;anyway ; none of this is intended to discourage anyone from inviting people over. but exactly as detailed in ye things have changed article, the "general population" of herbivores has lost the franchise of coming here of own power. it'll be invite only.
1839462;1533418102;ben_vulpes;why even stay on freenode?
1839463;1533419780;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: to where would you rather ?
1839464;1533419917;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: 'make own fleanode' ( out of e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-21#1837110 ) isn't much of a pill, the 'allcomers problem' doesn't go away merely from standing up a coupla ircd boxen
1839465;1533419917;a111;Logged on 2018-07-21 21:18 trinque: in compounding ironies, I stood up my own ircd_ratbox earlier out of curiosity
1839466;1533420301;lobbes;The faint whisper of 'gossipd' can be heard reverberating off the halls of the forum. You are hungry. Exits: [North] [Down]
1839467;1533420332;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: iirc i proposed at one time an intermediate item on the way to proper gossipd ( 'serpent'-ciphered tunneler to connect coupla ircd instances to each other, and ditto for users ( get otp cookie a la deedbot, get a key that's good for 1 tcp connect ) but so far instead followed mircea_popescu's advice re not wasting sweat on such a thing, but pushing with ffa so as to get with what to gossipd.
1839468;1533420368;asciilifeform;( recall, this was the orig thrust behind constant-time rsa )
1839469;1533420532;asciilifeform;this being said, i personally would prefer exodus from fleanode to happen on our schedule, rather than in the wake of a catastrophic drop of it into complete unusability.
1839470;1533420586;asciilifeform;( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-01#1807079 thread )
1839471;1533420586;a111;Logged on 2018-05-01 17:07 asciilifeform: quasi-relatedly, asciilifeform found himself wondering, why we're still on fleanode... between pizarro, mircea_popescu's racked boxes ( idk where, but presumably good ones ? ) , asciilifeform's own fiber, trinque , etc. could have a very solid irc net, potentially
1839472;1533420805;phf;asciilifeform: presumably it is still a question of strategic superiority. there's no point on wasting resources on things of little consequence. #b-a => #trilema transition happened in a couple of days, with most original infra available within a week. nothing will prevent same when fleanode is defunct, meanwhile no reason to waste any cycles on it. also act from cause
1839473;1533420835;asciilifeform;phf: last thing i want on my boxes, tho, is yet another 1MB ball of c opensores publicly-tcpable liquishit.
1839474;1533420863;asciilifeform;even on a dedicated leprotoilet -- it's simply unseemly.
1839475;1533420923;phf;well, right, but either or. no need to erect a leprotoilet right now if at all avoidable in the future.
1839476;1533420934;asciilifeform;i'd like to avoid it entirely.
1839477;1533420949;mircea_popescu;lobbes you're overworked, last i checked!
1839478;1533420958;asciilifeform;rather than to end up ersatzing into it from 'we now have a week to move'.
1839479;1533421006;mircea_popescu;moreover phf deeply has it ; the extant mp-wp infrastructure is wartime sufficient anyways,
1839480;1533421013;phf;asciilifeform: you seem to be presenting an internally conflicting argument
1839481;1533421022;asciilifeform;phf: elaborate?
1839482;1533421161;mircea_popescu;and while at it, the essential part of "#b-a => #trilema transition happened" isn't even so much the (very extremely never-seen-before) narrow time wondows ; but the fact that ~it very much was~ on own fucking schedule. i don't recall having to hassle anyone about anything. it was a coupla days cuz it took me a coupla days, and it was a week because it took trinque, phf & gang a week.
1839483;1533421215;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: rechanneling inside fleanode is much smaller undertaking than baking a reasonable substitute for whole item tho
1839484;1533421222;mircea_popescu;i don't see it.
1839485;1533421234;mircea_popescu;same administrative/front end. what do you care whose ircd you run ?
1839486;1533421240;phf;asciilifeform: well, we don't have a gossipd, so our only move option is to take steps towards gossipd or leprotoilet. "i personally would prefer exodus from fleanode to happen on our schedule" exists at odds with both. it seems to ask for "faster gossipd" or "leprotoilet" now, hence at odds.
1839487;1533421276;asciilifeform;phf: i was referring to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-04#1839467 variant.
1839488;1533421276;a111;Logged on 2018-08-04 22:05 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: iirc i proposed at one time an intermediate item on the way to proper gossipd ( 'serpent'-ciphered tunneler to connect coupla ircd instances to each other, and ditto for users ( get otp cookie a la deedbot, get a key that's good for 1 tcp connect ) but so far instead followed mircea_popescu's advice re not wasting sweat on such a thing, but pushing with ffa so as to get with what to gossipd.
1839489;1533421304;asciilifeform;but mircea_popescu has it -- even if fleanode unplugged tonight, we can still speak. it'll simply be temporary headache.
1839490;1533421328;mircea_popescu;gotta permit fate to speak. for all you know we mgiht discover we didn't even like irc.
1839491;1533421351;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: recall, asciilifeform was initially a very reluctant user of irc.
1839492;1533421355;mircea_popescu;as unlikely as it seems ; and it does seem. waves are the result of earth's existence, and the only way to conquer resistance of the medium is to make it work for you.
1839493;1533421382;mircea_popescu;in any case, gotta let things like fiction characters play out their own life story.
1839494;1533421386;*;asciilifeform was very much a 'real time speech is for lamers' type, prior to hanbot's instigation
1839495;1533421435;*;asciilifeform will bbl -- meat
1839496;1533421516;mircea_popescu;anyway, tbh i'm mostly encouraging the utter collapse of freenode's "security" model. it should be obvious that lode/ae dorks could just as well REGISTER the spambots. it's a fully automated process, what's the problem, emails ? gimme a break.
1839497;1533421527;mircea_popescu;whole thing adds exactly nothing practically speaking.
1839498;1533421571;mircea_popescu;but i want to fully realise the republican advantage over the pantsuit morons. this situation where #trilema is safe "and so are their chans" is overt socialism redistributing goods from us to the moronherd.
1839499;1533422493;deedbot;http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/08/04/a-collection-of-pearls-as-well-as-ever-sadder-epitaphs/ << Ossasepia - A Collection of Pearls as Well as Ever Sadder Epitaphs
1839500;1533424203;mod6;BingoBoingo: any news on the drive shipment?
1839501;1533425371;BingoBoingo;mod6: They are still waiting to get cleared
1839502;1533426767;mod6;thx
1839503;1533427392;mod6;!!sent-invoices
1839504;1533427394;mod6;!!ledger
1839505;1533427396;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/kNudj/?raw=true
1839506;1533427399;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/X6qez/?raw=true
1839507;1533428226;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i expect the spammer folx will register their bots in short order. it takes ~0 work.
1839508;1533428245;asciilifeform;whole thing is ~= a reddit.
1839509;1533428303;asciilifeform;diana_coman: pretty great collection of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-21#1379603 .
1839510;1533428303;a111;Logged on 2016-01-21 13:29 asciilifeform: 'if i make it what i think is the right size, it crashes!111'
1839511;1533429507;mircea_popescu;aha.
1839512;1533429523;mircea_popescu;provided, of course, the whole show's not run off a script the kiddies bought from some dood in russia.
1839513;1533442828;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/08/venezuelas-maduro-survives-drone-attack/ << Qntra - Venezuela's Maduro Survives Drone Attack
1839514;1533443570;mod6;ben_vulpes: ok only had time today to start on reviewing the provisional july pizarro statement - going through your steps at the same time.  so far, I can confirm the BTC incoming/outgoing is accurate.
1839515;1533443619;mod6;will finish up the rest tomorrow (hopefully).
1839516;1533446025;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-22#1837189 << in other news, I finally figured out my issue. I failed to notice a very crucial piece of the 'logbot-check-mode' method (http://btcbase.org/patches/logbot-genesis#selection-1265.19-1265.63). i.e. the bot's nick has to have irc mode set to +o or +v or else 'logbot-start-pg-thread' and 'logbot-send-outbox' will not be invoked.
1839517;1533446025;a111;Logged on 2018-07-22 18:27 ben_vulpes: lobbes: that the outbox table has entries in it suggests that logbot-start-pg-thread was never called
1839518;1533446031;lobbes;Bah, it took me way too long to figure that out. Anyways, thanks to all who helped me troubleshoot (phf, ty for pointing me to the hyperspec; I found that documentation to be especially useful on educating myself on the kidergarten-level things)
1839519;1533446041;lobbes;I'll be sure to include this tip in the eventual guide hinted at in >> http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/07/logbot-multiple-channels-corrected-on-gentoo-tips-n-tricks-for-the-uninitiated/#selection-551.26-551.132
1839520;1533457878;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-05#1839509 -> aha; legacy code is pretty much layers on top of layers of precisely that
1839521;1533457878;a111;Logged on 2018-08-05 00:18 asciilifeform: diana_coman: pretty great collection of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-21#1379603 .
1839522;1533476951;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i think my comment went to your spam trap
1839523;1533479335;phf;lobbes: hyperspec is first and last documentation you'll need for common lisp. it's generally a good idea to get a feel of what's where in it. it's the only authority on the expected behavior of your code.
1839524;1533479456;phf;(in slime C-c C-d h on a standard common lisp symbol will open relevant hyperspec page for you)
1839525;1533479982;diana_coman;asciilifeform, freed and answered; one of those days I will get around to relocating the blog too and restore its sanity re comments
1839526;1533481649;asciilifeform;ty
1839527;1533481724;asciilifeform;diana_coman: re 'student bloopers', 1990s classic re subj, https://archive.is/UyuCi ( rumoured to be a gag, but entertaining )
1839528;1533484687;diana_coman;ah, ah, so at least there are jewels of bloopers
1839529;1533492653;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-05#1839518 << it's always slow at first, dun sweat it.
1839530;1533492653;a111;Logged on 2018-08-05 05:13 lobbes: Bah, it took me way too long to figure that out. Anyways, thanks to all who helped me troubleshoot (phf, ty for pointing me to the hyperspec; I found that documentation to be especially useful on educating myself on the kidergarten-level things)
1839531;1533492688;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo "by explosive drones as his was giving"
1839532;1533492712;BingoBoingo;ty fxd
1839533;1533492838;mircea_popescu;diana_coman all muh comments go to modqueue!
1839534;1533493611;mircea_popescu;in other items that probably actually belong here,
1839535;1533493611;mircea_popescu;<milky25> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
1839536;1533493612;mircea_popescu;<milky25> "All told, Handshake aims to give $250 worth of its tokens to *each* user of the websites the company has partnerships with – GitHub, the P2P Foundation and *FREENODE*, a chat channel for peer-to-peer projects. As such, developers who have existing accounts on each could receive up to $750 worth of Handshake tokens."
1839537;1533493614;mircea_popescu;<milky25> Handshake cryptocurrency scam is operated by Andrew Lee (276-88-0536), the fraudster in chief at Private Internet Access which now owns Freenode
1839538;1533493616;mircea_popescu;<milky25> Freenode is registered as a "private company limited by guarantee without share capital" performing "activities of other membership organisations not elsewhere classified", with Christel and Andrew Lee (PIA's founder) as officers, and Andrew Lee having the majority of voting rights
1839539;1533493620;mircea_popescu;<milky25> Even christel, the freenode head of staff is actively peddling this scam https://twitter.com/christel/status/1025089889090654208
1839540;1533493623;mircea_popescu;<milky25> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
1839541;1533493674;mircea_popescu;"corporate" dun even begin to describe it. after i fucked that moron's ugly ass-face in every conceivable venue, he's actually "bought" freenode to try and impress ?
1839542;1533493730;mircea_popescu;i'm not fucking impressed ; what the fuck, is it http://trilema.com/2017/in-scams-today-disk-less-terminal-sa-dba-laesquinadelamazmorra/#footnote_3_72501 hour now ?!
1839543;1533493742;asciilifeform;lol cheapo nsa front co
1839544;1533493746;mircea_popescu;you know ?
1839545;1533493780;asciilifeform;what else is a 'vpn'
1839546;1533493807;*;asciilifeform never was able to fathom what 'vpn' subscribers have in their crankcases instead of brains, to fall for such a thing
1839547;1533493884;asciilifeform;the 'dun fall for fleanode, switch to OUR nsa honeypot instead' spamola is lulzy.
1839548;1533493889;*;mircea_popescu is particularly unimpressed by the sort of fucktard who goes all http://trilema.com/and-in-todays-lulz-the-obnoxious-cocksucker & http://trilema.com/2014/the-public-burning-of-bob-beck/ on me when i come offering ~a little~ actual money ; and then rolls over for usg's own "offers" of EXACTLY ZERO.
1839549;1533493893;mircea_popescu;fucktards.
1839550;1533493915;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i suspect they dun want and can't use money for anyffing. they want miami.
1839551;1533493966;mircea_popescu;which is precisely the problem, because "they want miami." is just a polite way of saying "however many bn cuntsquirts walk about, there's never bneen more than a million or two souls, and these schmucks don't got one."
1839552;1533493975;asciilifeform;same as openbsd.
1839553;1533493983;mircea_popescu;hence the link.
1839554;1533493999;asciilifeform;the cocksucker is hungry for specifically obummer's cockjuice, nothing else will satisfy.
1839555;1533494031;mircea_popescu;and now back to actual topics, moron interest fades quickly.
1839556;1533494181;asciilifeform;in other noose, buffer overflow found in... zcat.
1839557;1533494234;asciilifeform;( for bonus lulz, was triggered by an intel official microcode patch as gzip payload... )
1839558;1533494818;mircea_popescu;bwahah
1839559;1533494833;mircea_popescu;can't even keep all the nobusi straight anymoar.
1839560;1533494840;asciilifeform;overflowlang ftw.
1839561;1533495173;mircea_popescu;poor mod6 btw. he sounds like he's got himself well up to the ears.
1839562;1533496008;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, yes, ALL comments go to modqueue atm
1839563;1533498258;mod6;Hai
1839564;1533498376;mod6;So the USD Incoming/Outgoing table in the July provisional pizarro statement looks correct to me.  The only thing I would adjust is the statement about Fiat expenses.  Whereas, I agree that all the work could be done from the apartment and we no longer need the co-work space.  I'm inclined to let BingoBoingo make the decision there, and it sounds like he wants to take it down to "part-time", which should red
1839565;1533498382;mod6;uce the cost.
1839566;1533498447;mod6;Further more, he seems to like it as a good place to receive items.  So maybe just strike the part that says "no further need for coworking desk" and edit to something like "expected reduction in cost for cowork desk" or something thereabouts.
1839567;1533498732;mod6;The Fiat Assets table looks correct to me from following the steps, and when including the outgoing $186 adjustment value in the USD Incoming/Outgoing table.
1839568;1533498905;mod6;The Fiat Liabilities table looks right -- My understanding here is that we have a $2500 entry here for the wildcat bonus because we initially allocated the wildcat bonus for $7500, paid out $5000, and are carrying the libility forward until it's paid September 1st. Correct ben_vulpes ?
1839569;1533499193;mod6;Yikes, here we go through the tangibles table. :D
1839570;1533499903;mod6;!Qcalc 1313/6800
1839571;1533499903;lobbesbot;mod6: 0.193088235294
1839572;1533500102;mod6;!Qcalc (44900*0.033)/6800
1839573;1533500102;lobbesbot;mod6: 0.217897058824
1839574;1533500257;mod6;ben_vulpes: qq on the UYU book value -- you listed 0.21648971 , but I get the above ^ am I doing that correctly?  Or am I using a bad UYU/USD number?
1839575;1533500302;mod6;!Qcalc (44900*0.032)/6800
1839576;1533500302;lobbesbot;mod6: 0.211294117647
1839577;1533500313;mod6;hmm. yeah, let me know on this one.
1839578;1533500318;mircea_popescu;diana_coman aok
1839579;1533500378;*;mircea_popescu is off to the beach, ttys!
1839580;1533500404;mod6;My only other question on the Tangibles table is that UY3 was not depreciated, even though it was in service for 19 days.  Should there be some sort of prorated depreciation on this?
1839581;1533500408;mod6;c-ya mircea_popescu
1839582;1533500410;mod6;have fun
1839583;1533500483;mod6;!Qcalc 0.55312191-(((0.55312191/12)/31)*19)
1839584;1533500484;lobbesbot;mod6: 0.524871059758
1839585;1533500500;mod6;!Qcalc (((0.55312191/12)/31)*19)
1839586;1533500500;lobbesbot;mod6: 0.0282508502419
1839587;1533500577;mod6;This make sense for book value after prorated depreciation (fist number).  Second number is the prorated depreciation.
1839588;1533500594;mod6;!Qcalc 0.55312191/12
1839589;1533500595;lobbesbot;mod6: 0.0460934925
1839590;1533500609;mod6;^ Full month depreciation would be this.
1839591;1533500614;mod6;Correct?
1839592;1533500686;mod6;Ok moving on to the Pizarro Assets table
1839593;1533500974;mod6;Before I do that, I forgot to sum the values in the book value column in the Tangibles table
1839594;1533501132;mod6;!Qcalc 0.14906164+0.30000001+0.08109780+0.55312191+0.38888892+0.19308823+0.21648971+0.25106448
1839595;1533501132;lobbesbot;mod6: 2.1328127
1839596;1533501313;mod6;Ok we're not getting the same sum of the tangible book values, did I add something in that I wasn't supposed to?
1839597;1533501421;mod6;Ok now actually moving on to Pizarro Assets table.
1839598;1533501969;mod6;Ok, first question on this part is how we got to the 7/31/2018 (end of july) cash amount of: 6.48908190
1839599;1533502041;mod6;Here's what I come up with on my own, would be the Sum of the BTC on hand (in mod6's deebot account, minus the 0.08479669 that was in there previously to pizarro's BTC deposit), plus the BTC book value of the USD, and the BTC book value of the UYU:
1839600;1533502127;ben_vulpes;mod6: the UYU book value will indeed fluctuate based on what number you use for the usd/uyu exchange rate
1839601;1533502189;mod6;!Qcalc ((((6.14882560-0.08479669)+0.19308823)+0.21648971)
1839602;1533502190;lobbesbot;mod6: Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (<string>, line 1)
1839603;1533502200;mod6;!Qcalc (6.14882560-0.08479669)+0.19308823+0.21648971
1839604;1533502200;lobbesbot;mod6: 6.47360685
1839605;1533502234;mod6;So we're close here, but not quite to the 6.48908190 that is in the table
1839606;1533502270;ben_vulpes;check to see if it's the difference between our btc values of uyu
1839607;1533502290;mod6;ben_vulpes: gotcha.  any idea what number you used?  This should go into my notes so I know to record the UYU/USD exchange rate at the time of the setting of the monthly price point.
1839608;1533502323;mod6;im using your UYU value actually.  (i'm only pointing out the differences, not using them in the calcs)
1839609;1533502395;ben_vulpes;30.500
1839610;1533502427;ben_vulpes;mod6: you may want to check your account history, BingoBoingo is also sitting on 0.2 of pizarro's btc
1839611;1533502453;mod6;!Qcalc (6.14882560-0.08479669)+0.19308823+0.21648971+.2
1839612;1533502453;lobbesbot;mod6: 6.67360685
1839613;1533502548;mod6;So the nubmber im using '6.14882560' is from my ledger after Mr. Popescu paid the S.MG UY3
1839614;1533502589;mod6;the 0.22505299 wasn't included there, lemme try again
1839615;1533502611;mod6;!Qcalc (6.14882560-0.08479669)+0.22505299+0.19308823+0.21648971
1839616;1533502611;lobbesbot;mod6: 6.69865984
1839617;1533502699;mod6;(im adding that in, because even though it was paid on 8/3 it belongs in the July statement - as you have also listed it in the BTC Incoming/Outgoing table.
1839618;1533502705;mod6;)
1839619;1533502800;mod6;For my notes, could we say, in general, that to get to this month-end cash asset number, you take the BTC amount on-hand + USD value in BTC + UYU value in BTC?
1839620;1533502850;mod6;Anyway, take your time, I'm gonna keep going here.
1839621;1533502862;ben_vulpes;more accurately it's cash + tangibles, and various fiats are tangible assets.
1839622;1533502934;mod6;all tangibles?
1839623;1533502954;ben_vulpes;no hang on, no. btc is the only cash.
1839624;1533502955;mod6;or just the fiat or other cash lines?
1839625;1533502972;mod6;ok
1839626;1533502975;ben_vulpes;usd/uyu are fiat assets. get booked as tangibles. see the tangibles table.
1839627;1533502978;mod6;so -just- btc
1839628;1533502984;ben_vulpes;correct.
1839629;1533503019;mod6;!Qcalc (6.14882560-0.08479669)+0.22505299+0.2
1839630;1533503019;lobbesbot;mod6: 6.4890819
1839631;1533503021;ben_vulpes;per http://trilema.com/2013/accounting-for-the-nonzero-asset-corporation-the-mpex-standard/#selection-129.0-129.120
1839632;1533503039;mod6;perfect, that's exactly the number I was looking for.
1839633;1533503049;ben_vulpes;what is that .08 you're subtracting out?
1839634;1533503081;ben_vulpes;oh, this is summing accounts and pulling your change out of your deedbot balance?
1839635;1533503109;mod6;it's the amount that mod6 himself had in his deedbot account before I was sent Pizarro's 6.21445021 BTC.
1839636;1533503118;ben_vulpes;ding ding ding, okay.
1839637;1533503121;mod6;must be subtracted out from here on out.
1839638;1533503150;mod6;well, at lesat, until I send them to BingoBoingo, in which case, he might have his own subtraction he'll have to do.  that's the messiest part of doing the pizarro thing through personal deedbot accounts.
1839639;1533503176;mod6;it would be nice if pizarro had it's own key and could keep it's own ledger, but then who would control or hold said key, and that doesn't work either.
1839640;1533503199;ben_vulpes;book truth lies in the statements; it is useful to verify that the cash line is correct but i would use it as a check, not the starting point from which to generate statements given a) payment timing b) personal use of accounts
1839641;1533503208;ben_vulpes;mod6: nothing stops you from doing this
1839642;1533503233;mod6;i've thought about it.  maybe further discussion around the topic will help change my mind.
1839643;1533503274;ben_vulpes;anyways yes, if you want to audit the correctness of the statement against the value of cash held on behalf of pizarro, you will have to deduct your personal transactions from whatever account pizarro transactions flow in order to calculate a correct number.
1839644;1533503277;mod6;i honestly think that would be a much clearer accounting way to go.
1839645;1533503298;mod6;right.
1839646;1533503338;ben_vulpes;mod6: for what it's worth, i twice audited holdings while generating statements and they both came out correct. i suggest you use the statement generation process (combing through ledger/invoice output) to generate statements first, and audit against your personal accounts as a check.
1839647;1533503345;mod6;ok so now that i've figured out that cash number from the Assets table, there will still two other questions for you above ^ when you get a chance: the depreciation of UY3, and the sum of the book values.
1839648;1533503362;ben_vulpes;can prorate depreciation if you'd like, i elected not to.
1839649;1533503370;mod6;ah, i see. ok.
1839650;1533503389;ben_vulpes;let me sum assets again.
1839651;1533503393;mod6;i was just following your steps, and since it was actually in use, figured that maybe we just forgot about it.
1839652;1533503415;mod6;and btw, the steps are very helpful!  thank you much for writing themup
1839653;1533503535;ben_vulpes;mod6: i did not update that row after using the wrong conversion factor for fiat liabilities on my first pass; thank you for spotting that
1839654;1533503554;ben_vulpes;scuse me, fiat tangibles.
1839655;1533503636;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-05#1839607 there is a fine point here, that this is notionally a "closing-of-the-month" value for the UYU
1839656;1533503636;a111;Logged on 2018-08-05 20:51 mod6: ben_vulpes: gotcha.  any idea what number you used?  This should go into my notes so I know to record the UYU/USD exchange rate at the time of the setting of the monthly price point.
1839657;1533503686;ben_vulpes;we're talking tiny amounts of btc, but good process and understanding are important at the outset to forestall tears later, so bear with me
1839658;1533503735;mod6;ok np at all, just trying to get the process of getting these numbers.  take your time.  i feel like I'm learning a lot here with all of this, it's super helpful.
1839659;1533503928;ben_vulpes;the past two statements i have pulled that value from xe or forex.com at the time of statement generation. if you want to couple the UYU/USD price timing to that of the USD/BTC price timing, you'd have to hold off on issuing the previous month's statement until you have a btc price signal /for the month after the statement/, and then ask BingoBoingo what the uyu/usd rate is on that day in order to provide a
1839660;1533503930;ben_vulpes;value for the previous month's closing value of the uyu/btc rate (which is also the opening rate for the next month)
1839661;1533504026;ben_vulpes;i do not think that this coupling is necessary, however. a photo of the exchange rate from BingoBoingo at the same cambio on the 27th every month may be adequate.
1839662;1533504038;mod6;ahh, alright.  i get what you mean.  so it's a bit simpler to just get the forex number at the time of the statement, rather than having to old up the previous months statement until a BTC/USD price point is established.
1839663;1533504074;mod6;I think I'm alright with that, again, if it's considered a "notional" number.
1839664;1533504145;ben_vulpes;yeah, keep in mind that the tangibles line is, again per "Accounting for the nonzero asset corporation" "any and all assets that could reasonably be expected to be exchangeable for BTC, even if at a loss"
1839665;1533504192;ben_vulpes;so accounting's job is to provide a reasonable, non-malicious estimate of that value, and let investors perform their own valuation based on whether they think that a high or low value for the tangible in question.
1839666;1533504491;mod6;I'm on step 10.4 here... having some trouble.
1839667;1533504497;mod6;gonna read through the steps again
1839668;1533504533;BingoBoingo;<ben_vulpes> i do not think that this coupling is necessary, however. a photo of the exchange rate from BingoBoingo at the same cambio on the 27th every month may be adequate. << This I can do
1839669;1533504581;ben_vulpes;mod6: 10.4 is more of a note about what happens in various scenarios than instructions relevant to anything happening in this month's report
1839670;1533504596;ben_vulpes;derp 10.4, not 9.4
1839671;1533504635;mod6;yeah, looking at 10.4
1839672;1533504655;ben_vulpes;mod6: what is unclear about that line?
1839673;1533504710;mod6;just a sec
1839674;1533504775;ben_vulpes;a possibly relevant thread: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-06#1515831
1839675;1533504775;a111;Logged on 2016-08-06 04:47 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: how does the server rental fee make sense as "intangibles and goodwill"?
1839676;1533504783;mod6;ok, so where do we get the month-end number for intangibles, g/w "5.59699926" ?
1839677;1533504808;ben_vulpes;sum of previous month's goodwill and this month's goodwill
1839678;1533504824;mod6;oooh ok. lemme check that.
1839679;1533504826;ben_vulpes;calculated per "sum the value of all non-capitalized purchases (DC, fiat spent denominated in BTC, and the sum of depreciation charges), and mark that as net change for intangibles and goodwill"
1839680;1533504842;ben_vulpes;(the 10.4 under discussion)
1839681;1533504886;mod6;Yeah, didn't realize that I had to add in the number from the beginning of the month (end of last month), in this case "4.77078675"
1839682;1533504932;ben_vulpes;ayup, this is how the bottom-of-the-report tables work: summing the previous months values against the current months values to derive a current number.
1839683;1533504948;mod6;so, i'm close now, but not quite, here's what I'm getting:
1839684;1533504969;ben_vulpes;(to be used in next months reports, etc. hence "reports as ground truth and not your account balance")
1839685;1533505034;mod6;!Qcalc 4.77078675+0.46713262+0.3+(0.02129452+0.03333333+0.00901087)
1839686;1533505034;lobbesbot;mod6: 5.60155809
1839687;1533505053;ben_vulpes;how about we just look at the net change, first
1839688;1533505075;ben_vulpes;first off, the .3 btc was spent on cash
1839689;1533505093;ben_vulpes;i mean to say that the .3 btc was spent on usd, some fraction of which was not in turn spent on expenses.
1839690;1533505106;mod6;Which is: The number from the beginning of the month <first number> + DC payment <second number> + living expenses <third number> + sum of depreciation from the tangibles table
1839691;1533505136;ben_vulpes;right, so factor out the invariant and let's calculate the net change since that's where we'll find discrepancies.
1839692;1533505153;ben_vulpes;!Qcalc 0.46713262+0.3+(0.02129452+0.03333333+0.00901087)
1839693;1533505154;lobbesbot;ben_vulpes: 0.83077134
1839694;1533505189;ben_vulpes;some .04 btc discrepancy from the report
1839695;1533505196;ben_vulpes;.004!
1839696;1533505219;mod6;yeah, i noticed this before that it's not quite the same number as listed in netchange
1839697;1533505229;ben_vulpes;a bitcent says that's the difference between purchased usd and expenses denominated in usd, redenominated in btc.
1839698;1533505269;ben_vulpes;!!up candi_lustt
1839699;1533505269;deedbot;candi_lustt voiced for 30 minutes.
1839700;1533505282;mod6;!Qcalc 0.83077134-0.82621252
1839701;1533505282;lobbesbot;mod6: 0.00455882
1839702;1533505365;ben_vulpes;candi_lustt: (+ 0.46713262 (/ (+ 186 311 620 183 459 58 44 69 35 44) 6800) (+ 0.02129452 0.03333333 0.00901087))
1839703;1533505403;ben_vulpes;!W (+ 0.46713262 (/ (+ 186 311 620 183 459 58 44 69 35 44) 6800) (+ 0.02129452 0.03333333 0.00901087))
1839704;1533505403;candi_lustt;ben_vulpes: 0.8262125
1839705;1533505437;ben_vulpes;the slut is truncating
1839706;1533505460;mod6;lol
1839707;1533505471;mod6;the good ones don't!
1839708;1533505491;ben_vulpes;show me the perl that doesn't mangle double floats...
1839709;1533505503;*;ben_vulpes casting baseless aspersions
1839710;1533505643;mod6;q% perl -e '$a=0; $a=0.46713262+((186+311+620+183+459+58+44+69+35+44)/6800)+(0.02129452+0.03333333+0.00901087); print "$a\n";'
1839711;1533505646;mod6;0.826212516470588
1839712;1533505672;mod6;rounded down though >D
1839713;1533505675;ben_vulpes;like i said, baseless aspersions
1839714;1533505691;ben_vulpes;and it's a truncation, not a rounding
1839715;1533505693;mod6;actually, no that's right.  not rounded at all.
1839716;1533505702;mod6;hahah, fun
1839717;1533505707;mod6;ok. moving on.
1839718;1533505714;mod6;gonna check out this liabilities table
1839719;1533505727;ben_vulpes;mod6: what else troubles ye, i have other sisyphean boulders slipping back downhill as we speak
1839720;1533505750;mod6;go do what ya gotta do. i said I was gonna go through this whole thing, and learn some stuff.
1839721;1533505753;mod6;anything else can wait.
1839722;1533505765;mod6;thanks for stopping in to help fill in the gaps, I appreciate that.
1839723;1533505781;ben_vulpes;i'm here, we're close to the bottom. may as well finish it out.
1839724;1533505794;mod6;cool, one sec, will start in on it.
1839725;1533505886;mod6;dear lord, this customer equity line
1839726;1533505996;mod6;oh boy
1839727;1533506159;ben_vulpes;yeah have fun
1839728;1533506162;ben_vulpes;i'll be back later
1839729;1533506167;mod6;ok
1839730;1533506202;mod6;!Qcalc 2500/6800
1839731;1533506202;lobbesbot;mod6: 0.367647058824
1839732;1533506275;mod6;the wildcat bonus is listed as '0.30487805'.  Am I doing something wrong, or missing something above ^
1839733;1533506549;ben_vulpes;no, that's correct
1839734;1533506553;ben_vulpes;yours, i mean.
1839735;1533506573;mod6;alrighty
1839736;1533507071;mod6;ok, so I've gone through this table, aside from the customer equity line, and it looks good.
1839737;1533507187;mod6;I've gotta run for a bit here, maybe later when you're availble we can go through calculating that customer equity.  i did some adding, but I came up about 50% short. clearly missing something there.
1839738;1533507193;mod6;but let's leave this for another day.
1839739;1533508917;jurov;mod6: won't it be sufficient to do depreciation once per year, if at all?
1839740;1533509107;jurov;second question is, are you clear how exactly are you doing it. tracking and depreciating every item is imo unnecessarily hairy
1839741;1533509140;jurov;*every item separately
1839742;1533509305;jurov;So far I'm not doing depreciation at all. Only have to take care when an item is broken/sold, that the correct amount is subtracted from tangibles.
1839743;1533509865;asciilifeform;!!later tell phf http://btcbase.org/patches/zfp_2_noc << is not a valid vpatch !!!!!! and yer viewer should have rang the alarms. it references files not in the genesis !
1839744;1533509872;asciilifeform;grrr
1839745;1533509883;asciilifeform;!Q later tell phf http://btcbase.org/patches/zfp_2_noc << is not a valid vpatch !!!!!! and yer viewer should have rang the alarms. it references files not in the genesis !
1839746;1533509883;lobbesbot;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1839747;1533509930;asciilifeform;!Q later tell ave1 http://ave1.org/code/zfp/v/patches/zfp_2_noc.vpatch is an invalid vpatch, it breaks fundamental rule of vtronics , by referencing files not given in the genesis !
1839748;1533509931;lobbesbot;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1839749;1533509953;asciilifeform;it is impossible to press this tree except by abusing a vtron!
1839750;1533510009;asciilifeform;this is asciilifeform's 'shiva' blunder all over again.
1839751;1533510039;asciilifeform;ave1: pleeez make a real genesis ? so i can test this ? thx
1839752;1533510131;asciilifeform;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ap30o/?raw=true << ftr, what happens if you do try to press it. it balks, given as a/examples/constraint/constraint.adb 2df5271a0e78caef0b8281740aeaae60e9e298614951710fd488b7cefc268d151729a682bce66205d310c45a8afb6fa173b1c4e9331fc5ec3cdabdf6663c86eb never existed in genesis.
1839753;1533510264;asciilifeform;or hm, am i simply missing a patch ??
1839754;1533510321;asciilifeform;looks like i am. 'zfp_1_examples' apparently. so this ~is~ shiva all over again.
1839755;1533510435;asciilifeform;my vtron still won't press this, btw, even given all 3 patches.
1839756;1533510706;asciilifeform;( i'ma have to find out why. )
1839757;1533510897;asciilifeform;mod6's, ftr, won't either, and it sees only the genesis in the flow.
1839758;1533512595;mod6;seems to work ok for me: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/qIW0e/?raw=true
1839759;1533512709;mod6;jurov: um, not sure?  i would venture to guess that we depreciate monthly as it's possible that a piece of equipment might die before a year is up, or even come DOA.
1839760;1533512718;mod6;ben_vulpes: thoughts on jurov's questions?
1839761;1533515319;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-05#1839743 << probably a multiroot situation. otherwise btcbase does sound alarm (e.g. the "deprecated" patchset has some examples). ftr btcbase is a visualizer of extant patches, it is to some extent more permissive by design than production vtron
1839762;1533515319;a111;Logged on 2018-08-05 22:57 asciilifeform: !!later tell phf http://btcbase.org/patches/zfp_2_noc << is not a valid vpatch !!!!!! and yer viewer should have rang the alarms. it references files not in the genesis !
1839763;1533515320;lobbesbot;phf: Sent 1 hour and 30 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/patches/zfp_2_noc << is not a valid vpatch !!!!!! and yer viewer should have rang the alarms. it references files not in the genesis !
1839764;1533515418;phf;also shiva situation is different. shiva pressed files, that are not otherwise referenced in subsequent patches, but which are required for the operation of final product. an out of band genesis
1839765;1533520680;BingoBoingo;In other propaganda campaigns, OG Pantsuit Patrick Stewart has been signed to do a revival of his clasic series: Bipeds Sitting In Chairs And Stairing At Screens While Wearing Pajamas
1839766;1533522256;asciilifeform;phf: i see it nao.
1839767;1533540623;jurov;mod6: ben_vulpes: i'm not criticizing, only nudging you to write your accounting standards down
1839768;1533545316;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-02#1838943 <-- yes sir! I'll look into it this week. I'll start testing it in-chan once I have something working.
1839769;1533545316;a111;Logged on 2018-08-02 00:04 mircea_popescu: !Qlater tell spyked any interest adding ^ functionality to spykedbot ?
1839770;1533545316;lobbesbot;spyked: Sent 4 days, 8 hours, and 44 minutes ago: <mircea_popescu> any interest adding ^ functionality to spykedbot ?
1839771;1533556043;jurov;!!pay-invoice mod6 4
1839772;1533556048;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/jEO8P/?raw=true
1839773;1533556087;jurov;!!v F1EFA757D912B86093632193C226A28FC8276DF750D94EB4DEC80FAD956147CC
1839774;1533556090;deedbot;jurov paid mod6 invoice 4
1839775;1533558256;mircea_popescu;jurov that'd be what criticizing IS, lol. not that there's anything wrong with criticizing.
1839776;1533558267;mircea_popescu;the world would be a much better place should people actually do a whole lot more of it.
1839777;1533558587;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-05#1839665 << me is pleased to see ben_vulpes has apparently done some meditation on the matter, understands the principles informing the thing.
1839778;1533558587;a111;Logged on 2018-08-05 21:23 ben_vulpes: so accounting's job is to provide a reasonable, non-malicious estimate of that value, and let investors perform their own valuation based on whether they think that a high or low value for the tangible in question.
1839779;1533558623;mircea_popescu;just because it's short doesn't mean it's not great ; the item in question happens to be, specifically because in its shortness it manages to not contradict any of the principles needed by functional accounting while including nothing not needed.
1839780;1533558875;mircea_popescu;but anyway ; much as in the case of "no mechanical trust", there's no such thing as an "automated" valuation. the value of things requires thought, at all interfaces, which is to say wheresoever the thing potentially changes hands, even if just mentally. these are just minute re-applications of ye olde "no possibility of meaning outside of structure of authority". of fucking course all authority is predicated on thought, and
1839781;1533558875;mircea_popescu;of fucking course it's the substance and the liant holding the human world together.
1839782;1533558965;mircea_popescu;the job of the humans involved at any juncture is to make the job of the other humans that might become involved ~possible~, which is what http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/#selection-549.0-553.0 is all about. and so on.
1839783;1533563315;*;mircea_popescu shall continue this log later, teh young sluts call.
1839784;1533567767;ave1;asciilifeform, I just tried to press zfp_2_noc.vpatch with your python (v99, http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000160.html) and it pressed and built fine (with fresh download of the patches from my site, just to be sure).
1839785;1533567767;lobbesbot;ave1: Sent 16 hours and 3 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> http://ave1.org/code/zfp/v/patches/zfp_2_noc.vpatch is an invalid vpatch, it breaks fundamental rule of vtronics , by referencing files not given in the genesis !
1839786;1533567802;asciilifeform;ave1: evidently i made mistake somewhere ? ( mod6 was also able to press, per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-05#1839758 )
1839787;1533567802;a111;Logged on 2018-08-05 23:43 mod6: seems to work ok for me: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/qIW0e/?raw=true
1839788;1533567825;asciilifeform;ave1: plz show me your command set
1839789;1533567894;asciilifeform;( now , 1 possibly odd thing that i did, was to get the patches and sigs from phf's btcbase, rather than from ave1's www . perhaps these are broken somehow ? i'd like to diff'em )
1839790;1533568015;phf;let's have us a look see
1839791;1533568040;ave1;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/WnHUB/?raw=true
1839792;1533568088;asciilifeform;phf: it is entirely possible that i made mistake somewhere. but worth checking.
1839793;1533568235;phf;according to `mkdir t; cd t; wget --quiet http://ave1.org/code/zfp/v/patches/{zfp_1_examples,zfp_2_noc,zfp_genesis}.vpatch; for i in *.vpatch; do cmp $i ../$i || echo fail; done ` everything's fine
1839794;1533568251;asciilifeform;phf: how about the seals ?
1839795;1533568336;phf;likewise
1839796;1533568375;asciilifeform;then i must've broken it on my end, will have to go over it with magnifying glass and find where.
1839797;1533568550;phf;btcbase shasum for reference http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ijInK/?raw=true
1839798;1533568659;asciilifeform;ty phf
1839799;1533569032;asciilifeform;hey phf why does your paste have winblowz line endings ?
1839800;1533569047;asciilifeform;... or is this the ancient evil with wget..?
1839801;1533569051;deedbot;http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/079-hermannstadt.html << The Tar Pit - Hermannstadt
1839802;1533569068;asciilifeform;( i was diffing it and pulling hair and then realized the culprit )
1839803;1533569087;asciilifeform;( and yes the hashes match... )
1839804;1533569335;phf;asciilifeform: oh no i'm not about to start debugging the paste/webserver/download loop again
1839805;1533569356;asciilifeform;phf: i seem to recall that it's a wgetism.
1839806;1533573264;phf;asciilifeform: i saw somewhere suggested that there used to be a unix shell written in ada with some kind of ada like semantics, you know anything about that?
1839807;1533573280;phf;(in related lulz, https://github.com/AdaCore/gsh)
1839808;1533573321;phf;(^ POSIX shell for windows written in Ada, presumably for adacore build toolchain)
1839809;1533573808;asciilifeform;phf: can't say i've seen this before. but gnat does somehow run on winblowz, possibly this is how.
1839810;1533573852;phf;asciilifeform: well there apparently used to be a unix shell in 1980s that was written in ada, i suspect it's not the gsh above, but something else entirely
1839811;1533573875;asciilifeform;i think this is 1st time i hear about a shell in ada ( would be nifty to dig this up tho )
1839812;1533573983;asciilifeform;hmm holyfuq is that gsh thing huge.
1839813;1533574048;asciilifeform;i've been thinking about this: seems as if ~every~ proggy where author does not explicitly set objective of compactness, balloons like a midwest ameristani chix
1839814;1533574865;Mocky;perhaps TASH: https://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?doid=249100.249117
1839815;1533574893;Mocky;in html: http://archive.adaic.com/docs/reports/westley/tash-tcl/tash_paper.html
1839816;1533575194;Mocky;^ circa '96 "The goal of this binding is to make scripting language features, such as associative arrays, regular expression matching, and execution of OS commands available to an Ada programmer and to allow a Tcl programmer to use Ada in place of C where needed"
1839817;1533576453;ave1;And another one (used to be called bush), http://sparforte.com
1839818;1533576588;trinque;http://sparforte.com/images/ken_headshot.jpg << "I'd fuck your kids, but I can't find my cock"
1839819;1533576624;ave1;the authors' site: http://www.pegasoft.ca (even has a blog)
1839820;1533576629;asciilifeform;lol!
1839821;1533576640;ave1;indeed
1839822;1533576893;asciilifeform;http://www.pegasoft.ca/pal.html >> 'The PAL is a library of Ada and VHDL software, information, and courseware that contains over 1 BILLION bytes of material (mainly in compressed form). All items in the PAL have been released to the public with unlimited distribution, and, in most cases (the exceptions are shareware), the items are freeware.' << BUT all 3 mirrors dead as dodo.
1839823;1533577323;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-05#1839704 << bwahahaha.
1839824;1533577323;a111;Logged on 2018-08-05 21:43 candi_lustt: ben_vulpes: 0.8262125
1839825;1533577404;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-05#1839739 << this seems quite reasonable, sure.
1839826;1533577404;a111;Logged on 2018-08-05 22:41 jurov: mod6: won't it be sufficient to do depreciation once per year, if at all?
1839827;1533577483;ben_vulpes;i'm not entirely clear as to the benefits of depreciation under the tmsr accounting regime; most of my experience has to do with optimizing tax treatment in fiatlandia which is irrelephant here
1839828;1533577485;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: reading the depreciations thread, i remembered that it is physically possible to compute an 'exact' depreciation value for ssd drives, as they have 'odometer'. do you think this is worth doing systematically ?
1839829;1533577485;ave1;asciilifeform, I remember the PAL page, went looking for the sources, treasure trove of dead links. Maybe something on the iso images  at the evil archive: https://archive.org/details/ADA_-_The_Public_Ada_Library_Walnut_Creek_November_1997
1839830;1533577531;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes purely for meeting people's expectations ; depreciation is the principal faucet out of the tangibles bucket, so you don't end up with massive tangibles that are greatly overstated in accounting terms.
1839831;1533577553;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i think it is only worth doing systematically if it can be done in such a way as to not require phd assembly line.
1839832;1533577560;asciilifeform;troo
1839833;1533577583;asciilifeform;i was thinking from 'truck fleet' pov, where depreciation is computed as a practical approximation to q of 'when will i need to buy new ones'
1839834;1533577585;ben_vulpes;ah, makes sense
1839835;1533577589;mircea_popescu;a lot of what mod6 is stuck doing currently strikes me as exactly that, as the least constructive take (more constructively, it's training him in accounting and valuation fundamentals, which is not a waste at all).
1839836;1533577639;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes in purely notional terms, the diff between a 10k btc tangibles line 0.01% valuable and a 10btc tangibles line 10% valuable is nil. but people have some optimal values so to speak.
1839837;1533577662;mircea_popescu;man much better at estimating the diff between 1st and 2nd mile than between 1000th and 1001th
1839838;1533577818;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-06#1839829 << a yr or 2 asciilifeform would've balked at this pov, and iirc did when mircea_popescu first wrote it, but today i strongly suspect that the value of 'vintage coad archive' is most likely ~0. quite likely that little to none of it is written to my current standard of hygiene. ( and the effort to answer this q, is closely similar to the effort to simply write new programs... )
1839839;1533577818;a111;Logged on 2018-08-06 17:44 ave1: asciilifeform, I remember the PAL page, went looking for the sources, treasure trove of dead links. Maybe something on the iso images  at the evil archive: https://archive.org/details/ADA_-_The_Public_Ada_Library_Walnut_Creek_November_1997
1839840;1533577845;asciilifeform;*yr or 2 ago
1839841;1533577921;asciilifeform;ave1: recall in 2016, when i went to look for ada arithmetic lib, and found several, all of them immediately threw away, liquishit with variably-wide, heap-allocated bigints, and half MB or even heavier src
1839842;1533577979;asciilifeform;( not even speaking of ~how~ implemented -- pointerolade errywhere, etc )
1839843;1533578045;mircea_popescu;sadly.
1839844;1533578085;asciilifeform;not that i wouldn't like to live on the planet where there's a 'library of alexandria' of high-quality, well-documented coad, for the taking.
1839845;1533578088;asciilifeform;but we dun live there.
1839846;1533578107;asciilifeform;we're on the one with the 'fly eyes'.
1839847;1533578111;mircea_popescu;hey, at least there's social media and chick's rights, right ?
1839848;1533578116;asciilifeform;lolyes
1839849;1533578118;mircea_popescu;can't have everything, gotta take your picks.
1839850;1533578321;asciilifeform;recently i had a replay of this experience, went to look for fast fourier transform routine , in ada, ~same thing.
1839851;1533578402;asciilifeform;it's come to where i suspect that even bothering to look at the old coad, is a ~guaranteed waste of time, oughta go straight to knuth and blank page.
1839852;1533578562;asciilifeform;( http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-30#1575059 << oblig naggum )
1839853;1533578562;a111;Logged on 2016-11-30 23:04 asciilifeform: 'As more people with less commitment to quality and much less attention to detail got involved in writing it, its educational value diminished, too.  It is like going to a library full of books that took 50 man-years to produce each, inventing a way to cut down the costs to a few man-months per book by copying and randomly improving on other books, and then wondering why nobody thinks your library full of these cheaper books is an in
1839854;1533579185;diana_coman;I am moving my blog over to pizarro so I do need to change the ip; new ip is 161.0.121.198
1839855;1533579203;asciilifeform;oh hey
1839856;1533579205;asciilifeform;congrats diana_coman
1839857;1533579210;diana_coman;asciilifeform, thanks!
1839858;1533579221;diana_coman;still rough around the edges but almost there
1839859;1533583303;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/08/us-nra-on-the-ropes-amid-state-financial-deplatforming-attack/ << Qntra - US NRA On The Ropes Amid State Financial Deplatforming Attack
1839860;1533583657;mircea_popescu;should be fun to destructure the pantsuit style "platforms" anyway.
1839861;1533583673;mircea_popescu;who wants the visa monopoly ? and for what exactly ?
1839862;1533583712;BingoBoingo;Right
1839863;1533583771;BingoBoingo;Anyways, if the NRA can't herd millions of poor derps through the visa gates to fund their flannel pantsuitism, what hope do the actual pantsuits have herding their poorer herps
1839864;1533583901;mircea_popescu;well, the old nixon hope, "ima claim i have"
1839865;1533583920;asciilifeform;the mental gymnastics of usaschwitz inmates in pretending that they were not already effectively disarmed , are vaguely entertaining
1839866;1533583962;mircea_popescu;consider, at the same time you're asked to believe "most of credit card payments are fraudulent" AND "someone ever donated to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-08#1623380
1839867;1533583962;a111;Logged on 2017-03-08 22:29 mircea_popescu: in other lulz : femen, the "ukrainian" organisation is selling shit priced in dollars via 2checkout.com, the columbus ohio us corp.
1839868;1533583965;asciilifeform;( usa finds d00d with uncrippled kalash ? 20 to life )
1839869;1533583965;mircea_popescu;well... really ?!
1839870;1533583981;mircea_popescu;how about 100% of "donations" to, say, pantsuited hilarity campaign were in fact imaginary ?
1839871;1533584017;diana_coman;ugh, on mp-wp I have avatars fine but I don't have footnotes?
1839872;1533584019;mircea_popescu;and in this same vein, nra can't, but "black women code" can.
1839873;1533584039;mircea_popescu;diana_coman you call them with space double parens " (("
1839874;1533584042;mircea_popescu;close with double parens
1839875;1533584047;diana_coman;I have that and it ain't working
1839876;1533584052;mircea_popescu;hm
1839877;1533584080;mircea_popescu;is it in wp-admin/plugins.php ?
1839878;1533584093;mircea_popescu;might require specific activation, i dun recall.
1839879;1533584143;diana_coman;I'll dig and find out I guess
1839880;1533584504;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> and in this same vein, nra can't, but "black women code" can. << Well, the big NRA take is from ranges mandating an NRA membership to join and manufacterers throwing in X length of NRA memberhsip with purchase
1839881;1533584546;mircea_popescu;yes, but your question was in the format "how can car manufacturer compete with print shop printig pictures of cars". well... the OTHER people DO NOT actually get anyone to donate anything.
1839882;1533584573;diana_coman;it's not in plugins.php atm, that much is clear; maybe hanbot can help as she seems to have the footnotes working on her blog
1839883;1533584576;mircea_popescu;nra is working the wrong end of the funnel, it's a whole lot easier to get visa to pretend like you got 10mn donated than to get 1mn derps to send you a tenner each
1839884;1533584598;diana_coman;or esthlos lobbes? how did you get the footnotes working on mp-wp?
1839885;1533584637;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you understand this, right, ALL of the "mainstream" in pantsuit narrative is 100% fabricated astroturf. nobody ~actually buys~, actually subscrtibes, actually anything. vice has a readership of maybe 10 people in a good day.
1839886;1533584639;asciilifeform;i suspect nra would have moar subscribers if they refrained from http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-01#1561733
1839887;1533584639;a111;Logged on 2016-11-01 23:35 asciilifeform: who was, for some years, subscribed to all kinds of nonsensical snailmail spamola as result of once being in 'nra'
1839888;1533584655;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform more than very little is still useless here.
1839889;1533584662;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-01#1561736 ftr
1839890;1533584662;a111;Logged on 2016-11-01 23:36 asciilifeform: and yes, being on that list apparently nominates you for EVERY pyramid scheme, herbal viagra, !!!!!!URGENT!!!!! faux-irs envelope, etc. scam in usa.
1839891;1533584694;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'm speaking from the 'oh noez my restaurant is going broke' 'have you tried not taking steaming shits in EVERY plate?' pov.
1839892;1533584713;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Astroturf and forced memes. CC fraud and Union dues.
1839893;1533584714;mircea_popescu;yes, but the true problem here is that restaurant is attempting to compete with online simulation of restaurant.
1839894;1533584718;mircea_popescu;kinda... hard, let's say, to do.
1839895;1533584726;asciilifeform;entirely tru
1839896;1533584746;mircea_popescu;by now they've faked the faking to the point there's truly and overwhelmingly absolutely nothing there.
1839897;1533584760;asciilifeform;it isn't clear to me that there was at any point anything there.
1839898;1533584804;mircea_popescu;as in the http://trilema.com/2016/and-they-wont-fucking-yield/#selection-127.158-131.25 ; you understand this, the merit washing is done in "secret" meetings so small and inconsequential the irc spammer kids could force them.
1839899;1533584810;asciilifeform;even the hyped 'rights lobbying' was 100% chemically pure scamola ( nra conceded 'compromise' erry single time whatever ban was going through in washington )
1839900;1533584818;mircea_popescu;and they gotta be "secret", specificalkly because it's rarely half a dozen attendance.
1839901;1533584837;mircea_popescu;it ain't 2000 anymore, when /b/ decided time's man of the year to be m00t.
1839902;1533584856;mircea_popescu;it's 20 years after that, after tmsr ended clinton's presidential hopes and so on and so forth.
1839903;1533584868;*;BingoBoingo has fond memories of getting cashiers checks from the grocery store to order camping supplies from the "Cheaper than dirt" print catalog back when it sold cool shit
1839904;1533584961;BingoBoingo;Back in the days when it was full of looted eastern block cool
1839905;1533584977;BingoBoingo;Now it's all new manufacture plasticrap
1839906;1533585022;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the 'easter block loot' has all a) ran out b) banned by obummer for import
1839907;1533585057;mircea_popescu;right, because when the us can't sell its useless shit in russia it's "russia embargo", and when us can't afford to buy russian shit it's "obama banned".
1839908;1533585069;BingoBoingo;That it did. Now it's all just new manufacter chicom nylon
1839909;1533585074;mircea_popescu;so lucky, the ustards, that they have a patriarch there at the ready to set the sun every time the sun sets and raise it again every time it raises again.
1839910;1533585076;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: recall, when you could get ye olde mosin for ~100bux
1839911;1533585092;asciilifeform;comp. with bayonet.
1839912;1533585104;BingoBoingo;Not that long ago at all
1839913;1533585156;BingoBoingo;Or any sks at all, so long as it's not a Chicom one (Clinton I regime weird)
1839914;1533585176;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: observe, even the humble bolt-action mosin, 1890s tech, usg dun like, happily goes through whatever kevlar vests, 2-3 at a time
1839915;1533585198;mircea_popescu;heh
1839916;1533585218;BingoBoingo;And at range! Hay sufficiente Arshins
1839917;1533585253;*;mircea_popescu eagerly awaits the time "most advanced army in world" comes back "not defeated" from whatever shithole, but instead complaining that "the barbarians don't understand how the world works", "aren't used correctly '''advanced''' weaponry" etc
1839918;1533585307;mircea_popescu;"republic not using nato-based warheads means we can't turn them off! SECURITY THREAT!111"
1839919;1533585370;asciilifeform;https://i.pinimg.com/736x/de/17/7f/de177fb5c8d3335765a672f096f0960b.jpg << subj : far left of photo. (middle : nato. right : 7.62 (pre-smallbulletism) kalash. )
1839920;1533585449;BingoBoingo;Ah, the full .30 caliber spread
1839921;1533585469;BingoBoingo;(missing of course all the other .30s
1839922;1533585574;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-06#1839871 -> ha, found it in the logs! for ref it's http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-11#1833366
1839923;1533585574;a111;Logged on 2018-08-06 19:33 diana_coman: ugh, on mp-wp I have avatars fine but I don't have footnotes?
1839924;1533585574;a111;Logged on 2018-07-11 04:45 hanbot: esthlos it doesn't. footnotes source & instructions are in http://thewhet.net/2017/10/a-compendium-of-possibly-helpful-stuffs-for-erecting-mircea-popescus-wordpress-with-nearly-free-speech-hosting/ , and i've never actually taken on the selection jazz. i can tuck em both into next patch tho.
1839925;1533585671;diana_coman;hanbot, your link in ^ is broken
1839926;1533586080;*;mircea_popescu goes to check out how teh log summaries are coming along, sees http://summaries.logs.esthlos.com/#2018-08 has one entry on the 1st... yo esthlos ? how goes it ?
1839927;1533586357;BingoBoingo;TBF he did get to the slave name discussion
1839928;1533586436;mircea_popescu;in other shockers, apparently http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-17#1826273 didn't make it for notability cut on the 17th of june.
1839929;1533586436;a111;Logged on 2018-06-17 23:30 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in complicated arrangements, https://78.media.tumblr.com/9549afd41e80687996cc1281cd906aaf/tumblr_os3s2jX4JC1u8futwo1_500.gif
1839930;1533586442;mircea_popescu;we've had a dead day! i had nfi!
1839931;1533586492;diana_coman;I almost hoped to read "diana has trouble fucking the goats with eucrypt on musl cuntoo"
1839932;1533586514;mircea_popescu;lol.
1839933;1533586559;mircea_popescu;anyway esthlos i know it's hard but srsly, don't give it up, it's entertaining and perhaps marginally even useful. "Hence I'm changing my base organizational approach and will be prioritizing the log reading above Keccak and other projects, to move towards the desired number." pfff!!
1839934;1533586623;mircea_popescu;re that "bloopers" item, "The inhabitants of Egypt were called mummies." << it seems rather suspicious to me that this exact item tends ot lead ro internet collections also. da fuck
1839935;1533586673;diana_coman;yeah, that there is a fun read but as asciilifeform said most probably a cultured pearl essentially
1839936;1533586676;mircea_popescu;"Socrates was a famous Greek teacher who went around giving people advice they didn't ask for, a service for which he was eventually killed. Socrates died from an overdose of wedlock." << not even bad (slightly corrected)
1839937;1533586752;BingoBoingo;This doesn't seem like a blooper: "He also signed the Emasculation Proclamation, and the Fourteenth Amendment gave the ex-Negroes citizenship. "
1839938;1533586777;mircea_popescu;"Martin Luther Cling was nailed to the church door at Wittenberg for selling papal indulgences. He died a horrible death, being excommunicated by a bull." yeah not altogether terrible.
1839939;1533586844;BingoBoingo;Those things support the cultured pearl theory. A hive mind that reliably bloopered this way wouldn't be as bad a the true Reddit
1839940;1533586871;mircea_popescu;these bloopers were retroblooped ?
1839941;1533586930;BingoBoingo;Possibru
1839942;1533587304;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-06#1839934 << afaik orig item is an early 1990s usenet copypasta, of unknown veracity
1839943;1533587304;a111;Logged on 2018-08-06 20:17 mircea_popescu: re that "bloopers" item, "The inhabitants of Egypt were called mummies." << it seems rather suspicious to me that this exact item tends ot lead ro internet collections also. da fuck
1839944;1533587309;asciilifeform;( english )
1839945;1533587311;mircea_popescu;aha.
1839946;1533587326;mircea_popescu;same flatfile that had the toilet "operating system" lampoon and so on
1839947;1533587370;*;mircea_popescu even had that line art on a wall at some point.
1839948;1533587600;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-06#1839921 << BingoBoingo i'm not aware of any other historically significant '.30's ( unless you count mauser/TT short .30 )
1839949;1533587600;a111;Logged on 2018-08-06 19:57 BingoBoingo: (missing of course all the other .30s
1839950;1533587663;asciilifeform;( TT, i.e. 7.62x25 , incidentally, also goes through kevlar noprob )
1839951;1533587677;BingoBoingo;Well there's a few other missing anglophone .30's the .30-06, the Brit shit, etc
1839952;1533587697;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the nato ( middle of photo ) is ~= to the -06, neh
1839953;1533587704;asciilifeform;( iirc they are interchangeable in the field )
1839954;1533587722;asciilifeform;the brit -- i've nfi
1839955;1533587758;BingoBoingo;Ah, I was under the impression it may have been the new .308 (7.62 Nato)
1839956;1533587777;BingoBoingo;~50's tech
1839957;1533587826;asciilifeform;hm, possibly the 'compatibility' is 1way. i dun recall exactly.
1839958;1533587919;BingoBoingo;The newer (~1950s) 7.62 nato is quite a bit shorter. .30-06 is classic full size/full power. 7.62/.308 Nato is compact size/full power, being the bullet US police shoot people with in standoffs
1839959;1533588004;asciilifeform;i thought usg police favoured machinepistols, with slow, blunt , unjacketed bullets, like the last reich
1839960;1533588010;asciilifeform;but asciilifeform is not expert re subj.
1839961;1533588066;mircea_popescu;"polizei is wermacht that couldn't be taught aiming" or what.
1839962;1533588072;BingoBoingo;They do, but those are for the scare.
1839963;1533588104;BingoBoingo;US doctrine is a dozen people pointing firearms and one pulling the trigger at a person
1839964;1533588158;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: if the various leaked clips are anythign to go by, once 1 works up the courage, they all let loose
1839965;1533588202;asciilifeform;which is how they get the d00d with 400 holes in'im for the news cameras
1839966;1533588471;mircea_popescu;seems about right
1839967;1533588659;BingoBoingo;Right, shephard/sheep situation. One guy gets a rifle and the report panics the rest of the piggies
1839968;1533588702;asciilifeform;in re small arms, anybody recall the http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1504265 derp ?
1839969;1533588702;a111;Logged on 2016-07-17 17:57 asciilifeform: in other 'news', this schmuck is still in business, apparently : http://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-cody-wilson-ghost-gunner-ar-15
1839970;1533588747;BingoBoingo;Still in business. Won some case about spamming his 3d printed hazards everywhere
1839971;1533588842;BingoBoingo;Of course his win was swiftly followed by an injuction because "Think of the hands!"
1839972;1533588911;mircea_popescu;bitcoin is such a pleasant donjon over a vast field of "revolutionary!"
1839973;1533588927;mircea_popescu;recall how the whole sintered magic was going to "change the world as you know it" ?
1839974;1533588933;asciilifeform;if ^ types had the brains the gods gave a slug, they'd at least consider trying something new & truly usg-circumventing, e.g. hand cannon that takes pb bullets and h2/o2 ( distilled water + current ) for propellant, finally and for all time curing the http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-06#1044317 nonsense
1839975;1533588933;a111;Logged on 2015-03-06 20:31 PeterL: Trying to find a good link for this, http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2015/02/16/atf-trying-to-ban-ar15-ammo-under-guise-of-law-enforcement-safety-n1957622
1839976;1533588983;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile the Chinese are thumping their chests about a "practical laser rifle"
1839977;1533588996;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: cn had pretty decent 'eye burner' as far back as 1990s
1839978;1533589030;asciilifeform;( usa Officially doesn't , because 'treaty', but surely does, given as any idjit with fiddybux can pick up a 5-10W laser diode with 0 questions asked )
1839979;1533589044;BingoBoingo;Right, then the EU cucks panicked. And the Chinese moved past blinding
1839980;1533589085;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 'past blinding' needs a coupla kW and some way to deal with hot air refraction ( afaik still unsolved )
1839981;1533589102;mircea_popescu;"laser rifle" never happening, thump oir no thump. photons are photons, they do what they di ; and let's include the "ion cannon" / http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-17#1556218 discussion
1839982;1533589102;a111;Logged on 2016-10-17 05:30 ben_vulpes: i am more interested in the "never get close enough"
1839983;1533589105;asciilifeform;( for folx who slept in kindergarten -- air is not perfectly transparent )
1839984;1533589185;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it'd be a costly and riotously bulky thing, even if the atmosphere didn't get in the way (and it does)
1839985;1533589205;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform sometimes it's fun to consider what "revolutionary" items like this would make of the past. like say, submarine wars carried out with lengthy "swords", underwarer.
1839986;1533589218;mircea_popescu;water*
1839987;1533589273;mircea_popescu;there's a reason ships don't try to swing at each other underwater like men do, or did, on ground ; just like there's a reason air-to-air missiles aren't propeller-propelled (while torpedoes aren't jet engined)
1839988;1533589289;BingoBoingo;https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy-defence/article/2153310/china-brings-star-wars-life-laser-ak-47-could-set-fire << No information on power source size
1839989;1533589291;mircea_popescu;and so on
1839990;1533589329;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: funnily enuff, ru air corps still teaches ramming as a legit move
1839991;1533589350;mircea_popescu;that's not swining, but sure,ok.
1839992;1533589391;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: funnily enuff, ru air corps still teaches ramming as a legit move << Mass has always been the equalizer
1839993;1533589437;mircea_popescu;"it's mass or miss"
1839994;1533589517;BingoBoingo;Hey, 2200 watts https://articulo.mercadolibre.com.uy/MLU-445834372-anafe-a-gas-butano-camp-bistro-campingaz-2200w-_JM
1839995;1533589619;asciilifeform;!#s thermodynamics proposes kinetics disposes
1839996;1533589619;a111;4 results for "thermodynamics proposes kinetics disposes", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=thermodynamics%20proposes%20kinetics%20disposes
1839997;1533589702;asciilifeform;butane does not replace gunpowder.
1839998;1533589712;asciilifeform;( tho the 'potato cannon' hobbyists still try )
1839999;1533589727;asciilifeform;and laser is not particularly useful in the field aside from eye-gougin'.
1840000;1533589747;asciilifeform;but h2/o2 'electrical' musket is prolly realistic partizan weapon, if anybody could be arsed.
1840001;1533589776;Mocky;laser useful in the field for range finding
1840002;1533589793;asciilifeform;Mocky: was speaking of flesh-cutting specifically
1840003;1533589798;mircea_popescu;i dunno how capable of maintaining 02 safely partizans even are, considering a) http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824489 and b) even molotov cocktails went out of business, as "too dangerous" (to the derps).
1840004;1533589798;a111;Logged on 2018-06-13 00:21 mircea_popescu: "oh it dun do anything, it's just oxigen" "sure. until the day it does something, then you'll really see a show"
1840005;1533589824;mircea_popescu;Mocky yes, as far as information is concerned, photon unbeatable. as far as mass-interaction however, photon never ever gligible.
1840006;1533589826;mircea_popescu;but always negligible.
1840007;1533589831;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: hypothetically, known volume of distilled water goes in the dosator tube, and current flows until it stops, then spark.
1840008;1533589875;asciilifeform;( no carrying around unreacted h2/o2 mix, lol, that's worse than the korean leather cannon, far more lethal to owner than enemy )
1840009;1533589876;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform something like an electric-h2/o2 super-soaker sized gun could perhaps be demonstrated.
1840010;1533589894;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the potato people demonstrated, iirc, in early 2000s, just gotta be scaled down and made of steel.
1840011;1533589907;mircea_popescu;but it's unclear to me it'd produce the sort of bang one expects out of a hunting rifle say.
1840012;1533589920;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: as big a bang as you have reactant, neh
1840013;1533589938;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there's constraints. but anyway, it's not clear to me it wouldn't, so.
1840014;1533589950;asciilifeform;what's the detonation v of h2/o2 anyway
1840015;1533589960;asciilifeform;that's the main constraint re 'could or not'
1840016;1533589965;mircea_popescu;this may be the very problem : very fast but weak wave.
1840017;1533589981;mircea_popescu;may be just enough to fracture your chamber rather than propel your round. i never did teh maffs
1840018;1533590017;asciilifeform;'too fast' also possible. recall usg's 'project eldest son', where they salted vietnam jungle with ak rounds filled with tetryl
1840019;1533590025;mircea_popescu;a major advantage of gunpowder is that it is strong ~but VERY SLOW~. in chemical reaction speed terms, the black powder item is an outlier of slowness.
1840020;1533590122;asciilifeform;i have nfi whether h2/o2 would make for a rifle that anyone dares to fire; but conceivably a-ok for 'infernal machine'.
1840021;1533590140;asciilifeform;( interesting that afaik to date nobody ever used. )
1840022;1533590223;mircea_popescu;anyway. prolly solid gold chamber better than solid steel. in any case this repeat-h/o explosion item is not either cheap or light
1840023;1533590246;asciilifeform;why would you make chamber of soft metal ?!!
1840024;1533590259;asciilifeform;( and , for sake of argument, why au rather than pb )
1840025;1533590270;mircea_popescu;it's not soft at the speed cntemplated. more importantly, i suspect it's not friable
1840026;1533590293;asciilifeform;afaik exactly as frangible as pb
1840027;1533590309;mircea_popescu;i dunno, just gave an example. understand, sea is made of concrete if you're falling into it from high enough. your perception of mechanical material properties is bound to low impulse, but things are different at higher speeds.
1840028;1533590347;asciilifeform;well yes, pretty much whole story of nuke 'tamper' is about this.
1840029;1533590357;mircea_popescu;yes.
1840030;1533590404;asciilifeform;afaik there isn't actually a metal you can make 'tetryl cannon' from, the shockwave exceeds bond strength of anyffing in the earthling mendeleev table
1840031;1533590437;asciilifeform;( at least the bomb people were only concerned with 'how many nanoseconds until it frags', rather than 'reusable cannon', much easier problem )
1840032;1533590453;mircea_popescu;possibly the case ; in which case that'd be why no one tried.
1840033;1533590485;asciilifeform;anyway quick look in the lit suggests v of 500 to 1000 m/s for h2/o2, depending on pressure and whether there's atmospheric n2 in the mix.
1840034;1533590495;BingoBoingo;A distict downside of transcontinental migration is that I can't open my copy of "Arms of Krupp" for insight atm
1840035;1533590496;asciilifeform;but beyond this, aficionados gotta do their own homewowk.
1840036;1533590498;mircea_popescu;yes, doping may be the other major factor here
1840037;1533590521;mircea_popescu;the one item chem reaction speed / reaction front wave is most sensitive to, is dopings.
1840038;1533590531;asciilifeform;!#s hochdruckpumpe
1840039;1533590532;a111;6 results for "hochdruckpumpe", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=hochdruckpumpe
1840040;1533590534;asciilifeform;^ see also
1840041;1533590561;mircea_popescu;sort of like, extended-catalyst
1840042;1533590640;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/RRFN6 << photopr0n of subj -- wunderwaffe from prev reich
1840043;1533590656;mircea_popescu;and finally, specific form factor of chamber may also be important enough to worth mention
1840044;1533590666;mircea_popescu;but why are we designing future arms anyway ?!
1840045;1533590680;mircea_popescu;what, we went to school with kalashnikov, exchange many stories of weapons designed ?
1840046;1533590685;asciilifeform;lol
1840047;1533590718;asciilifeform;was given by asciilifeform as example of 'what the 'open sores arms' people might do if they weren't dropped on their heads as children'
1840048;1533590733;asciilifeform;i can just as easily think of 8999 other example.
1840049;1533590825;asciilifeform;if they wanted to demo 'futility of usg control', could start by showing that car battery + distilled h2o + coupla hrs will level a brick house just as well as dynamite, etc.
1840050;1533590864;asciilifeform;but sure, wanking on '3d printer' is much easier...
1840051;1533590876;mircea_popescu;strange that all the kids that "want to show futility of parents control" go to mall to buy emo geddup rather than burn down house.
1840052;1533590879;mircea_popescu;i can't explain it!
1840053;1533590883;asciilifeform;lolyes.
1840054;1533590956;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-17#1800936 ; aka "futility, yes, but i still have to live here"
1840055;1533590956;a111;Logged on 2018-04-17 14:59 ascii_lander: iirc 'make me chaste and continent but not yet'
1840056;1533590960;asciilifeform;scratch a 'technical' problem -- find a psychiatric problem.
1840057;1533591041;mircea_popescu;ta-da!
1840058;1533591130;asciilifeform;ww2 partizans crafted perfectly usable grenades, mortars, etc out of junkyard fill. what can't be made from junkyard -- is courage.
1840059;1533591172;mircea_popescu;or a clue.
1840060;1533591188;mircea_popescu;ww2 partizans had a credible structure of auctoritas, linking them to the very tree of reason.
1840061;1533591194;mircea_popescu;reddit kiddos, not really so much.
1840062;1533591217;mircea_popescu;(yes, there's no real difference between authority and authorship, in the sense used in scholarship. because how.)
1840063;1533591219;asciilifeform;'clue' is slightly easier, tho still tricky, recall http://trilema.com/2013/the-danger-of-homebrew-crypto/#selection-149.0-157.415
1840064;1533591269;asciilifeform;redditus, being closer to a talking parrot than human, indeed will find it quite impossible to do anything not already laid out in 'cookbook'.
1840065;1533591382;mircea_popescu;ass of new girl has three layers of marks acquired in not even two days, and out of the balance of dozen+ she's earned. because, genuinely, this problem. and this is a smart & brave girl.
1840066;1533591388;asciilifeform;tree of reason may as well be tree of eden, to them.
1840067;1533591992;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-06#1839988 << the gigantic muzzle optic suggests that they picked archimedes's solution to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-06#1839983
1840068;1533591992;a111;Logged on 2018-08-06 21:01 BingoBoingo: https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy-defence/article/2153310/china-brings-star-wars-life-laser-ak-47-could-set-fire << No information on power source size
1840069;1533591992;a111;Logged on 2018-08-06 20:58 asciilifeform: ( for folx who slept in kindergarten -- air is not perfectly transparent )
1840070;1533592024;asciilifeform;still lulzy if considered as grunt weapon ( i can picture, for saboteur, but for grunt -- laugh )
1840071;1533592058;BingoBoingo;Well, what asset do the chicoms have if it isn't that their meat comes wrapped in smaller more numerous packages
1840072;1533592141;asciilifeform;unclear what this thing accomplishes that ordinary incendiary round wouldn't
1840073;1533592172;BingoBoingo;Wank
1840074;1533592176;asciilifeform;( 'surgically' touch off the cig lighter in enemy general's left pocket while leaving the one in his right, alone ..?? )
1840075;1533592183;BingoBoingo;It accomplishes untold DARPA wank in response
1840076;1533592188;asciilifeform;aaha yes.
1840077;1533592209;BingoBoingo;In nam USistan had zippo for this purpose
1840078;1533592212;BingoBoingo;But nao!
1840079;1533592219;asciilifeform;cn happy to 'help' darpa spend, like reagan was happy to help su.
1840080;1533592781;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: ir laser has its place -- silently mutilate the expensive optics of usg gear, from coupla km away
1840081;1533592811;BingoBoingo;But on it's own that is blinding. Gotta amp up the power for more damage
1840082;1533592814;asciilifeform;iirc su had a quite-satisfactory version of this in 1980s.
1840083;1533592876;*;BingoBoingo having a truly depressing experience searching out tomato seeds for the balcony
1840084;1533593798;BingoBoingo;Typical Uruguayo seed vendor term of sale: * Por favor, tenga en cuenta que cualquier tipo de auriculares, audífonos y articulos de cuidado personal no estarán cubiertos bajo esta política de devolución debido a la cuestión de higiene.*
1840085;1533593848;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-06#1840047 << i believe item in question started as "lulz what else can we print wit dis thing" kind of like at a house party at 4am one tries to figure out what else can be used as a vodka mixer, but the government ban turned it into "i do what i want mom!1"
1840086;1533593848;a111;Logged on 2018-08-06 21:25 asciilifeform: was given by asciilifeform as example of 'what the 'open sores arms' people might do if they weren't dropped on their heads as children'
1840087;1533593876;phf;there's no reason to search for further meaning
1840088;1533593970;phf;in related i was recently rereading old issues of phrack, and the first couple of editions are more "anarchist cookbook" than the late 90s thing, e.g. in issue 2 has instructions for building a classic single shot "gun" out of wood and pipe. also much more practical piece of "open sores arms"
1840089;1533594106;phf;(^ http://phrack.org/./issues/2/3.html#article)
1840090;1533594176;BingoBoingo;And for activity oriented Pizarro travellers http://en.expocannabis.uy/ This year's expocannabis has been set for 7, 8, and 9 of December. Will be at LATU, corner of Bolonia street and Avenida Italia
1840091;1533594404;BingoBoingo;^ danielpbarron
1840092;1533596755;asciilifeform;phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-06#1840085 << i've looked at their cad crapola, quite a bit of ( entirely dead-end, but besides the point )effort for '5min drunken theory' scenario
1840093;1533596755;a111;Logged on 2018-08-06 22:17 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-06#1840047 << i believe item in question started as "lulz what else can we print wit dis thing" kind of like at a house party at 4am one tries to figure out what else can be used as a vodka mixer, but the government ban turned it into "i do what i want mom!1"
1840094;1533596844;asciilifeform;phf: my alt-hypothesis is that it's something slightly different -- it's a haskellism. ameri-sad folx are irresistibly drawn to ~elaborately ineffective~ tech , that absorbs infinite 'ricering' ( http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-09#552410 ) while giving chance to 'show how clever'
1840095;1533596844;a111;Logged on 2014-03-09 00:49 asciilifeform: it's a variant on 'ricing'
1840096;1533596974;asciilifeform;this is 90% of the appeal, i suspect, of '3d printer' to begin with. the problems of making shapes with motorized glue gun are quite elaborate, and the aficionados never miss a chance to show off 'clever algos' etc. they normally eschew metal-cutting, despite the promise of actually making something functional -- because they would have to bow to grey-bearded machinists who've been doing cnc since 1950s, and can wipe the floor with t
1840097;1533596974;asciilifeform;he milleni-derps without breaking a sweat
1840098;1533596980;asciilifeform;so instead 'let's hot plastic'.
1840099;1533597035;asciilifeform;it's exactly same thing as where the haskelltards carefully, studiously avoid making a lisp.
1840100;1533597047;asciilifeform;or yarvin -- bitcoin.
1840101;1533597067;asciilifeform;( in his own nearly exact words, 'my system is carefully and delibrately designed not to be bitcoin' )
1840102;1533597172;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2014/pushing-the-soft-tender-flesh-of-a-friend-against-the-sharp-rotating-blades-of-the-immutable-machine/#selection-995.0-1015.1 << see also mircea_popescu's picture of the pathology.
1840103;1533597511;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-06#1840089 << >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-18#1836318
1840104;1533597511;a111;Logged on 2018-08-06 22:21 phf: (^ http://phrack.org/./issues/2/3.html#article)
1840105;1533597511;a111;Logged on 2018-07-18 21:34 asciilifeform: periodically, uppity folx who need to bake something that shoots, in a hurry (e.g. filipino rebels ) rediscover the korean trick.
1840106;1533597561;asciilifeform;it's practical in places where properly-made shells are easily found. thread was re the 'usg bans' world where, hypothetically, not.
1840107;1533597618;asciilifeform;(i.e. reversion to musketry)
1840108;1533597689;asciilifeform;the ~only thing the '3d printer' aficionados are succeeding in, is to help make this scenario.
1840109;1533597804;asciilifeform;already if you want nitric acid in usa, you gotta either find where to steal , or make own, a la 1700s.
1840110;1533598987;mod6;!!sent-invoices
1840111;1533598992;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/rDBIU/?raw=true
1840112;1533598993;mod6;!!ledger
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1840114;1533599022;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-06#1839771 << thanks jurov!
1840115;1533599022;a111;Logged on 2018-08-06 11:47 jurov: !!pay-invoice mod6 4
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1840124;1533643898;asciilifeform;!!rated mats
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1840131;1533658171;asciilifeform;!Q later tell mircea_popescu http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/IHgO2/?raw=true
1840132;1533658172;lobbesbot;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1840133;1533659530;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/08/semiconductor-fabricator-tmsc-struck-by-virus-on-production-equipment/ << Qntra - Semiconductor Fabricator TMSC Struck By Virus On Production Equipment
1840134;1533659964;asciilifeform;^ maker of cr50, lel
1840135;1533660200;BingoBoingo;And various pnohes
1840136;1533660218;asciilifeform;world's largest fab house, nominally
1840137;1533661905;trinque;hm, looks like freenode farts earlier?
1840138;1533661930;trinque;I still don't have a model for what "deedbot thinks he's connected, freenode doesn't" is
1840139;1533661953;trinque;but barring some weird ping/pong bug, something's gotta be responding from the freenode side during those periods
1840140;1533662818;asciilifeform;scratchy nsa wiretap, lol
1840141;1533663040;hanbot;<diana_coman> hanbot, your link in ^ is broken << fixed, thank you.
1840142;1533664866;mod6;How are we doing with the re-imaging of that Rockchip?
1840143;1533664933;asciilifeform;mod6: apologies for the slow, remembered that i must rebuild kernel so user gets iptables out of the box
1840144;1533664965;asciilifeform;mod6: shooting currently to have the stick ready for BingoBoingo to move and power up tomorrow morning
1840145;1533664990;mod6;ok thanks for the work & update asciilifeform
1840146;1533664993;asciilifeform;( staying with classic gentoo for nao, until trinque gives green light for cuntoo 'out of prealpha' )
1840147;1533665445;asciilifeform;!Q later tell ben_vulpes if you have some spare cpu cycles, plz add #asciilifeform to your logbot roster, thx
1840148;1533665446;lobbesbot;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1840149;1533665762;mircea_popescu;diana_coman i got a coupla dozen pingbacks from you lol ; i'm guessing something's working
1840150;1533665894;mircea_popescu;including eg a missing chapter 6 and 12 eucrypt (had chapter 5 and 4).
1840151;1533666947;mircea_popescu;!!pay Mocky 0.6
1840152;1533666952;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/XsD0N/?raw=true
1840153;1533667607;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, oh hey, that's good news
1840154;1533667622;mircea_popescu;diana_coman you got a new employee too, see #eulora
1840155;1533667625;diana_coman;hanbot, np
1840156;1533667635;mircea_popescu;and good morning ; welcome to the changes since you went to bed.
1840157;1533667638;*;diana_coman looks
1840158;1533667691;diana_coman;ahaha, not even that yet; went to... play dolopoly (aka sudtiroler monopoly) with the 5 yo who wanted to keep going past bed time anyway, lol
1840159;1533667703;mircea_popescu;aww. mwahahahahaha
1840160;1533667720;diana_coman;well, he'll clearly have no problem adding, subtracting and all that
1840161;1533667756;mircea_popescu;and dancing around in a funny short skirt-veralls.
1840162;1533667774;diana_coman;he he, I should get him some spielhosen, right
1840163;1533667788;mircea_popescu;you do make him do the victory merry gig in those, as paert of the game, yes ?
1840164;1533667810;diana_coman;eh, so far we never got to finish one, it takes...a bit more let's say than usual stuff
1840165;1533667819;mircea_popescu;lol
1840166;1533668177;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-06#1840085 << quite exactly how management works in the zone, yup.
1840167;1533668177;a111;Logged on 2018-08-06 22:17 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-06#1840047 << i believe item in question started as "lulz what else can we print wit dis thing" kind of like at a house party at 4am one tries to figure out what else can be used as a vodka mixer, but the government ban turned it into "i do what i want mom!1"
1840168;1533668347;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-06#1840109 << this has afaik been going on for a while. 11yo me had a half liter of 99% nitric acid in his chemistry lab ; but at the same time in "civilised world" it was impossible to get because... i dunno, YOU COULD MAKE THINGS!!! IT IS ILLEGAL TO MAKE THINGS!!!
1840169;1533668347;a111;Logged on 2018-08-06 23:23 asciilifeform: already if you want nitric acid in usa, you gotta either find where to steal , or make own, a la 1700s.
1840170;1533668380;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: fortunately errybody who stayed awake in kindergarten, and has access to mains current, can make
1840171;1533668395;mircea_popescu;yeah, but making it reagent pure needs some work.
1840172;1533668428;mircea_popescu;but yes, of course, anyone who can use a thing can make that thing by the definitions of the terms use and make (ie, their being the same thing). nevertheless, one usually chooses not to make everythin himself.
1840173;1533668470;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-07#1840134 << awww.
1840174;1533668470;a111;Logged on 2018-08-07 16:39 asciilifeform: ^ maker of cr50, lel
1840175;1533668485;diana_coman;by now every time I hear "kindergarten" I think of asciilifeform; and I quite suspect most kids would like him too!
1840176;1533668544;mircea_popescu;probably. IF he manages to stay put long enough at a stretch.
1840177;1533668578;mircea_popescu;check me out, caught up with logs. well... i guess it's time to go sticking sticks through the cage bars into tender flesh! a bientot!
1840178;1533671185;BingoBoingo;Congrats on the new gig Mocky
1840179;1533671211;Mocky;thx!
1840180;1533672099;Mocky;oh hey, thepiratebay comes out of the closet. page footer: "By entering TPB you agree to XMR being mined using your CPU. If you don't agree please leave now or install an adBlocker"
1840181;1533672111;asciilifeform;lol!
1840182;1533672123;asciilifeform;Mocky: afaik the orig piratebay died yrs ago, was replaced by ???
1840183;1533672137;Mocky;yup
1840184;1533672619;asciilifeform;!#seen fluffypony
1840185;1533672619;a111;2016-03-24 <fluffypony> otherwise you learn nothing and you're forever forced to wallow in your own ignorance
1840186;1533672635;asciilifeform;^ the scammonkey responsible for 'xmr' iirc
1840187;1533672666;asciilifeform;( see also ancient lulzthread, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-05#1422814 )
1840188;1533672666;a111;Logged on 2016-03-05 19:12 asciilifeform: fluffypony: solve how ?
1840189;1533673019;asciilifeform;oh hey Mocky is professional eulorist nao
1840190;1533673021;asciilifeform;congrats Mocky
1840191;1533675680;Mocky;asciilifeform, thx
1840192;1533676525;BingoBoingo;Mocky: Given any more thought to visiting the Oriental Republic
1840193;1533676597;Mocky;that's on hold still until the summer air fare drops
1840194;1533676855;BingoBoingo;Aha, well. One thing to mind is that summer here are summer lodging costs.
1840195;1533676873;BingoBoingo;Which peak in December and January
1840196;1533677164;BingoBoingo;In local news, We are getting a 7th admiral https://www.teledoce.com/telemundo/nacionales/el-gobierno-planteara-una-reduccion-del-7-en-la-cantidad-de-generales-en-las-fuerzas-armadas-y-del-17-en-la-de-coroneles-o-equivalentes/
1840197;1533679518;mircea_popescu;hey! i got a naked chick in 20lbs of chains scrubbing my balcony floor! anyone driving by can check her fatass out!
1840198;1533679979;asciilifeform;lol!
1840199;1533679998;mircea_popescu;to quote, "fun times".
1840200;1533680040;asciilifeform;!Q later tell trinque phuctor is soon to grind several megatonnes of keyz; can haz deedbot copying the output to #asciilifeform ( currently goes to ordinary asciilifeform ) plz ? ty
1840201;1533680040;lobbesbot;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1840202;1533680069;trinque;sure thing
1840203;1533680069;lobbesbot;trinque: Sent just now: <asciilifeform> phuctor is soon to grind several megatonnes of keyz; can haz deedbot copying the output to #asciilifeform ( currently goes to ordinary asciilifeform ) plz ? ty
1840204;1533680075;asciilifeform;yay
1840205;1533680123;*;asciilifeform hanging up the proper carpets in 'castle' for ephemera, per mircea_popescu recipe
1840206;1533680282;asciilifeform;interestingly, there are no spambots currently working in #asciilifeform . evidently they have cutoff, and it is too small ?
1840207;1533680334;Mocky;i haven't got one in #mocky this whole time, figured they don't bother with just one
1840208;1533680359;asciilifeform;i suspect ' < N users ' or the like
1840209;1533680423;mircea_popescu;good.
1840210;1533680438;asciilifeform;i expect they'll show eventually.
1840211;1533680440;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's probably "mentioned in google"
1840212;1533680454;asciilifeform;could easily be.
1840213;1533680469;asciilifeform;prolly will come in as soon as ben_vulpes hooks up the log.
1840214;1533680530;trinque;oh hm, asciilifeform I don't have deedbot running on the multi-channel variant ben_vulpes has
1840215;1533680546;asciilifeform;trinque: ok to replace plain asciilifeform with #asciilifeform
1840216;1533680549;asciilifeform;or does this not work
1840217;1533680556;trinque;nah, because not joined to the chan
1840218;1533680559;asciilifeform;ugh
1840219;1533680604;mircea_popescu;aww, and lobbesbot 's rss follow function also stalled for refactor ?
1840220;1533680625;asciilifeform;was hoping to set the massive phuctoring in motion some time in next days
1840221;1533680629;trinque;wasn't spyked doing an RSSbot once upon a time?
1840222;1533680630;asciilifeform;but would rather it logged
1840223;1533680637;mircea_popescu;spyked got a rss bot baby ?
1840224;1533680655;asciilifeform;( chans without logs are of little use )
1840225;1533680679;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform deedbot doesn't log afaik ? maybe talk to phf or ben_vulpes see ikf either's willing to add you ?
1840226;1533680682;mircea_popescu;AND HOW MUCH THEY CHARGE ?
1840227;1533680684;asciilifeform;oh deedbot ah
1840228;1533680684;mircea_popescu;mwahahahah
1840229;1533680705;asciilifeform;the log is easy part , i can stand up own if needed. the rss is the tricky.
1840230;1533680726;*;ben_vulpes will log #asciilifeform later this afternoon
1840231;1533680726;lobbesbot;ben_vulpes: Sent 4 hours and 14 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> if you have some spare cpu cycles, plz add #asciilifeform to your logbot roster, thx
1840232;1533680733;asciilifeform;danke schon ben_vulpes
1840233;1533680737;ben_vulpes;bitte
1840234;1533680859;*;asciilifeform bbl,meat
1840235;1533680860;Mocky;!!deposit 0.0118
1840236;1533680865;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/
1840237;1533680890;Mocky;trinque, I think I did something wrong but I don't know what ^
1840238;1533680941;trinque;sec
1840239;1533681446;trinque;Mocky: give it another pull
1840240;1533681542;Mocky;trinque, works thank you
1840241;1533681548;trinque;yw!
1840242;1533681612;trinque;k asciilifeform I've joined deedbot to your chan with hax.
1840243;1533681637;trinque;if it disconnects, joining again will require my intervention
1840244;1533681708;trinque;RSS is now aimed at that chan
1840245;1533682212;BingoBoingo;<Mocky> i haven't got one in #mocky this whole time, figured they don't bother with just one << Ditto for #agriculturalsupremacy
1840246;1533682253;trinque;somebody took #redneck or what :D
1840247;1533682583;Mocky;lol
1840248;1533682710;phf;#texan is free
1840249;1533682735;trinque;texas, sadly, still not free
1840250;1533682768;*;phf puts a hand to his chest
1840251;1533682804;phf;i mean to my own chest, nohomo
1840252;1533682830;Mocky;such a tender moment
1840253;1533683288;*;BingoBoingo put in a seed today to try balcony tomatoes
1840254;1533683316;asciilifeform;oh neato
1840255;1533683323;asciilifeform;ty trinque
1840256;1533683387;BingoBoingo;And yes, this is February so I am already late. Just threw a 2 gallon pot on the balcony
1840257;1533683435;mircea_popescu;lmao
1840258;1533683667;Mocky;danielpbarron, did this move somewhere else, or just gone? >> http://btcbase.org/log/2015-05-16#1133991
1840259;1533683667;a111;Logged on 2015-05-16 17:06 danielpbarron adds another to the list -> http://danielpbarron.com/ascii_book_list.txt
1840260;1533683812;asciilifeform;trinque: mats snarfed up ~all of ipv4 ssh/ssl keys, with annotations, and it's all going in. i'ma churn it in 8GB parcels.
1840261;1533684607;asciilifeform;1st one -- ~27M keyz
1840262;1533684671;mod6;!!withdraw 0.67352162 13DDjDTr9xgxMWdhSJpqh3dLMFeXFsEMnH
1840263;1533684675;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/c7uzF/?raw=true
1840264;1533684925;mod6;!!v 92A8D1CDB3CBFBA99578C9C9CDD08070F23BC696879638CC25D408EFB275B02E
1840265;1533684929;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/60xj6/?raw=true
1840266;1533685722;mod6;!!ledger
1840267;1533685726;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/hnGv0/?raw=true
1840268;1533686787;BingoBoingo;Aite, 1 kg flour, 1 egg, 1 oz yeast, and a hunk of salt. Let's see if bread happens
1840269;1533687110;Mocky;BingoBoingo, take the paperwork out of the oven first!
1840270;1533687153;BingoBoingo;Mocky: 10-4 I'm reading it as we speak
1840271;1533688132;BingoBoingo;Holy fuck these loaves will not stop inflating
1840272;1533689047;mircea_popescu;lmao
1840273;1533689069;mircea_popescu;jesus this day's log's been amusing
1840274;1533689091;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo are you listing the chunks of bread burnoff under "Birds" ? "this is barry.... this is larry..."
1840275;1533689234;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: We'll see the yeast is still eating
1840276;1533689277;BingoBoingo;As it is, the lumps en tramite para ser loaves are overwhelming the little silicone loaf pans
1840277;1533689406;BingoBoingo;Seriously though, the girls only know frying arepas and baking the occasional torta
1840278;1533691530;BingoBoingo;And the birds are out of the oven
1840279;1533692281;esthlos;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-06#1839933 << yep, I was moving, should have communitated this before the fact! am now resuming
1840280;1533692281;a111;Logged on 2018-08-06 20:15 mircea_popescu: anyway esthlos i know it's hard but srsly, don't give it up, it's entertaining and perhaps marginally even useful. "Hence I'm changing my base organizational approach and will be prioritizing the log reading above Keccak and other projects, to move towards the desired number." pfff!!
1840281;1533692341;esthlos;(comms will still be shakey for a few days)
1840282;1533694099;BingoBoingo;And... The bread acceptably took delivery of mortadella
1840283;1533694699;danielpbarron;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-07#1840258 << try again. i moved it back in
1840284;1533694699;a111;Logged on 2018-08-07 23:14 Mocky: danielpbarron, did this move somewhere else, or just gone? >> http://btcbase.org/log/2015-05-16#1133991
1840285;1533694746;Mocky;cool danielpbarron, thx
1840286;1533714730;*;mircea_popescu is gonna arenal tomorrow/thurs. will prolly still read logs tho.
1840287;1533727599;spyked;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-07#1840229 <-- I'd very much like to give the rss bot prototype a shot at this, if possible. the bot is not battle ready, but this would be an opportunity to stress test the basic functionality. if you think it's worth it, give the sign and I'll have it join #asciilifeform
1840288;1533727599;a111;Logged on 2018-08-07 22:25 asciilifeform: the log is easy part , i can stand up own if needed. the rss is the tricky.
1840289;1533737192;mircea_popescu;<< https://sysarmy.wordpress.com/2018/08/06/irc-sysarmy-r-en-freenode/ in other news, the question of wtf a "sysarmy" is supposed to even be remains open
1840290;1533737340;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: perhaps a la ye olde конармия (i.e. vintage sovism for cavalry )
1840291;1533737352;asciilifeform;сисармия.
1840292;1533737377;mircea_popescu;o look at that, "argentinian sysadmin community". let me dispel any such nonsense : there is no such thing as an argentine sysadmin.
1840293;1533737433;mircea_popescu;anyway, discussion of the freenode lulz is ~entirely absent. turns out freenode was exactly as dead as http://trilema.com/2018/and-in-other-dead-things/ suggests.
1840294;1533737470;mircea_popescu;by the time you gotta scrape the barrel so tightly you end up with argentine fucktards, you know there's definitely nothing there.
1840295;1533737608;asciilifeform;https://sysarmy.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/img_20170703_201217_766.jpg?w=1080 << wtf orcistan
1840296;1533737695;mircea_popescu;you don't understand etsy chic
1840297;1533737702;asciilifeform;evidently
1840298;1533737735;mircea_popescu;neither do they, but they've seen something in a picture from somewhere (ie, specifically, http://trilema.com/2012/generatia-fara/
1840299;1533737753;asciilifeform;the piss-stained microshit keyboard, esp. classy...
1840300;1533737770;*;mircea_popescu stands up and sings "Traim decenii de impliniri marete! Traim decenii de munca si avint! Traim decenii de vis si frumusete! Traim decenii de intelept cuvint..."
1840301;1533737804;asciilifeform;bahaha
1840302;1533737830;asciilifeform;http://www.sovmusic.ru/text.php?fname=zhitsta1 << see also.
1840303;1533737857;asciilifeform;based, of course, on the famous 'Жить стало лучше, жить стало веселей!' (tm)(r)(stalin)
1840304;1533737938;mircea_popescu;ooobviously.
1840305;1533737957;*;mircea_popescu readily suspects all stupid everywhere is merely copy-paste-markov'd from stupid somewhere else.
1840306;1533737985;asciilifeform;!Q later tell BingoBoingo plox to move the usb drive into RK 'C' and power up, but ping me when setting out to dc, i want to test it before you go back
1840307;1533737985;lobbesbot;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1840308;1533738122;mircea_popescu;Сталину крикнуть "Спасибо, Родной!" hey, this is actually not even fucking terrible.
1840309;1533738140;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there's a handful of known 'elementary particles' of stupid, that aren't copies of one another (e.g. 'decenii de intelept cuvint!'-stupid, britney-stupid, goats-and-cousins-fucking desert-stupid , threadbare chukcha-stupid, ... ) but aside from that, yes, copies, how else
1840310;1533738165;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: quite a few of the ru originals were not-terrible
1840311;1533738172;mircea_popescu;maybe we find the moron to go with the gluon and the muon
1840312;1533738177;*;asciilifeform has a pretty fat disk of'em
1840313;1533738201;mircea_popescu;can you believe, btw, the "spammers" ARENT registering nicks ?
1840314;1533738214;mircea_popescu;fucking 80% generation, it's uncanny.
1840315;1533738219;asciilifeform;lol perhaps they have to do it by hand, contracted to nigerians
1840316;1533738224;asciilifeform;takes a spell.
1840317;1533738235;mircea_popescu;"she can't accuse me of being uncomfortable...."
1840318;1533738366;mircea_popescu;anyway, thinking about it, utterly gotta add the "lxs ninxs" stupid on the list. there's nothign quite like sexually neglected women gathering together coming up with "pearls of wisdoms of how world IS".
1840319;1533738374;mircea_popescu;"humanism", "world peace", etcetera.
1840320;1533738392;asciilifeform;that's 'decenii de intelept cuvint!'-particle, neh.
1840321;1533738451;mircea_popescu;nah, that was very much the male backpatting thing, http://trilema.com/2016/cat-vorg-adnotated/ http://trilema.com/2013/valiant-prince-mp-explores-the-mother-of-all-echo-chambers-a-saga-of-our-times/ etc.
1840322;1533738481;asciilifeform;'male backpatting' sounds like contradiction in terms
1840323;1533738514;asciilifeform;'backpatter' willingly places 'him'self in the 'ninxs' terrarium
1840324;1533738563;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-01#1838630 << this thing. imo irreducibly different from the http://trilema.com/2016/to-be-clear-hillary-clinton-lost-the-presidential-election-on-june-16th-2016/#selection-35.1-35.117
1840325;1533738563;a111;Logged on 2018-08-01 03:07 douchebag: Also the security firm I'm working on is expected to pull at least a half million dollars by december
1840326;1533738579;asciilifeform;if there's a diff b/w these 2 hypothetically distinct particles, asciilifeform's cyclotron is not equal to determining it
1840327;1533738634;mircea_popescu;does it distinguish algae from saprophites ? because that's the core, imo. female version is "our cunts are blessed with producing good output" whereas male version is "this enchanted horse really is enchanted and wil ltake us there"
1840328;1533738657;mircea_popescu;rapunzel sits and waits in castle, yes ? while fat-frumos sits and waits on horse's back, for horse to figure shit out.
1840329;1533738676;asciilifeform;the douchebag type isn't, contrary to appearances, believer in enchanted horse. but in his enchanted arse, which is to drive ordinary horse across oceans
1840330;1533738678;asciilifeform;somehow
1840331;1533738690;asciilifeform;so not so distinct from 'magic cunt' believer
1840332;1533738714;mircea_popescu;i do not think so.
1840333;1533738792;asciilifeform;i dun recall douchebag in particular mentioning a wunderwaffe that would explain the 'surely will rake in the dough' bravado
1840334;1533738800;asciilifeform;so had to assume -- magical arse
1840335;1533738832;*;asciilifeform guilty, when younger, of 'magic horse'
1840336;1533738832;mircea_popescu;i wonder how we'd build the diffraction experiment for this matter.
1840337;1533738902;mircea_popescu;but i do see your line as quite persuasive and well supported, "modernity essentially consists of feminization of the male in the sense of getting boys to believe their brains are a sort of cunts"
1840338;1533738928;asciilifeform;( somewhat orthogonally, his given figure, 'half mil by december', is not quite 'rake in', but a pretty threadbare existence , in current-day usa, even for small firm with 3 d00dz and an accountant , not even speaking of actual industry )
1840339;1533738934;mircea_popescu;with all that entails, "creativity" and no idea what bravery is and so on.
1840340;1533738998;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the basic of the usg chumpatron is this precise process, "very little" -> "very much", ie, he went from 1 beer money to 50`000 beer money. this is growth, yes ?
1840341;1533739014;asciilifeform;this is the classical 'infinite icecream' dream of the 5yo.
1840342;1533739021;mircea_popescu;meanwhile he also went from 2x to 20x+1, and from voice here to no voice here, but he... "doesn't know how to evaluate that loss"
1840343;1533739033;mircea_popescu;and if he doesn't know how to evaluate it therefore it doesn't really exist, and so on.
1840344;1533739052;asciilifeform;the old tales where d00d sells soul, see also.
1840345;1533739059;asciilifeform;illustration of same principle.
1840346;1533739096;mircea_popescu;so this is the other-side use of the real estate racket. yes, 500k is ~0, judged eg by the count of lawyers breaking down his doors and windows to please generously find employment and a crumb of income in any conditions.
1840347;1533739113;mircea_popescu;but on the other hand, 500k is > his pocket money.
1840348;1533739136;mircea_popescu;i've seen tons of these "i make 70k a year but i actually can't afford a $50 pair of shoes" sorts.
1840349;1533739157;asciilifeform;this dynamic is often seen in the blather of orcs, esp. on ru side , masturbating over 'american salaries', conveniently glossing over american rents etc
1840350;1533739181;mircea_popescu;hence the discussion of income in % terms and all that. but, the logs are already written.
1840351;1533739191;asciilifeform;the sv threads in particular.
1840352;1533739196;*;mircea_popescu shall bbl!
1840353;1533739200;asciilifeform;laters
1840354;1533740464;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Caffinating, will head over to the DC in a bit
1840355;1533740464;lobbesbot;BingoBoingo: Sent 41 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> plox to move the usb drive into RK 'C' and power up, but ping me when setting out to dc, i want to test it before you go back
1840356;1533742669;deedbot;http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/07a-copenhagen.html << The Tar Pit - Kbenhavn
1840357;1533745641;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Walking over now
1840358;1533745673;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: plox to ping me when plugged in ( but still in dc, wait 5min at least )
1840359;1533745748;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Aite
1840360;1533747146;asciilifeform;in other noose, http://logs.bvulpes.com/asciilifeform?d=2018-8-8 << ty ben_vulpes !
1840361;1533747316;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Drive is moved
1840362;1533747326;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: plz standby
1840363;1533747340;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Standing by. Now this is a Cuntoo image?
1840364;1533747352;asciilifeform;nope, classical (with small changes)
1840365;1533747376;asciilifeform;i'ma keep arm-cuntoo experimentation to own desk for nao
1840366;1533747395;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: If this passes your tests, would you mind reimaging my drive with this updated OS
1840367;1533747410;asciilifeform;sure
1840368;1533747432;BingoBoingo;tyvm
1840369;1533747449;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: is rk-c plugged in ? it dun ping
1840370;1533747461;asciilifeform;nm typo
1840371;1533747462;asciilifeform;1s
1840372;1533747475;asciilifeform;ok worx
1840373;1533747484;BingoBoingo;Yeah, plugged it in before pinging
1840374;1533747503;BingoBoingo;Aite, going to pull my drive and offer it to Dulap
1840375;1533747509;asciilifeform;notyet
1840376;1533747531;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i'ma test new kernel today, then tomorrow will ask BingoBoingo to power down rk-c and put disk in dulap to i can snap new master img, then it will go into service ( and can reimage BingoBoingo also ) .
1840377;1533747615;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: ok to leave dc nao, unless you have other items queued
1840378;1533747619;BingoBoingo;Aite, going to just leave my RC powered down then
1840379;1533747631;BingoBoingo;Returning to Buttbox
1840380;1533747631;asciilifeform;ok
1840381;1533747663;BingoBoingo;In other happy news, ben_vulpes may appreciate... Rodrigo is no longer with Latecho
1840382;1533747674;asciilifeform;did i meet this one ?
1840383;1533747721;ben_vulpes;hah
1840384;1533747883;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in the heathen circus, https://archive.is/Q85Dn + https://archive.is/U7KF9 >> 'On 31st July 2018 a security researcher identified a GitHub personal access token with recently elevated scopes was leaked from Homebrew’s Jenkins that gave them access to git push on Homebrew/brew and Homebrew/homebrew-core...'
1840385;1533747893;asciilifeform;'The security researcher also recommended we consider using GPG signing for Homebrew/homebrew-core. The Homebrew project leadership committee took a vote on this and it was rejected non-unanimously due to workflow concerns.'
1840386;1533748135;asciilifeform;( context, for folx innocent of crappleism : 'homebrew' is a portage-like system for retrofitting a little sanity to crapple box, e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-19#1836518 )
1840387;1533748135;a111;Logged on 2018-07-19 19:08 phf: macports or homebrew which are portage versions for apple. at least macports can still be used to build xquartz from scratch. i've not personally tried that in a long time, so it's possible that there's serious wrecker situation there.
1840388;1533748173;asciilifeform;( and elsewhere, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-18#1752974 )
1840389;1533748173;a111;Logged on 2017-12-18 01:25 phf: meanwhile, homebrew, the mac os x package manager, finally pulled the final bate and switch. "build from source" option is now marked as "unsupported" (!!!) in the man pages, everything's being pulled using precompiled archives. building a non-trivial set of packages from source fails along the way with clearly misconfigured formulas. this is possibly of interest only to ben_vulpes (?)
1840390;1533748182;asciilifeform;there's 2 or 3 of these , that i know of
1840391;1533748331;ben_vulpes;macports is the portagealike, homebrew is ~canonical apt-get
1840392;1533748355;asciilifeform;ah
1840393;1533748384;asciilifeform;iirc 'macports' at least has option of gpg.
1840394;1533748404;asciilifeform;( fat lotta good it does, sans wot, but it's there )
1840395;1533749457;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: This one you did not meet.
1840396;1533749470;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: what was remarkable about him ?
1840397;1533749529;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: He is the one that was involved in generally being a liability to Latecho's business. ben_vulpes met him
1840398;1533749562;ben_vulpes;inserter-between-in-chief
1840399;1533749588;BingoBoingo;Tended to try to make every request a negotiation
1840400;1533749608;BingoBoingo;Was a star of the February drama
1840401;1533750363;asciilifeform;ah lol
1840402;1533753214;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-08#1840391 << you're confusing homebrew with fink (which i believe is now mostly dead). homebrew is closer to gentoo's portage: it's written from scratch in ruby and so are the port descriptions
1840403;1533753214;a111;Logged on 2018-08-08 17:12 ben_vulpes: macports is the portagealike, homebrew is ~canonical apt-get
1840404;1533753388;phf;fink is ~~2000 and is a fork of dpkg/apt, macports (darwinports) ~~2002 are BSD style ports, and homebrew ~~2010 is full ruby
1840405;1533753437;asciilifeform;phf: i've only ever had occasion to use 'fink' and 'macports' , afaik 'homebrew' is ~pure fungus
1840406;1533753615;phf;i don't know what's the basis for that assessment, outside of my occasional rants: homebrew is also the only useful one of the three, i.e. you can use it to provision a standard issue corporate macbook pro into doing useful thing
1840407;1533753665;asciilifeform;last i tried, it was specifically 'macports' that was only 1 that had 100% of the necessary ports. but 'mileage may vary' sure.
1840408;1533753689;phf;fink has been dead for a decade at this point, and macports is essentially poorly maintained pkgsrc
1840409;1533753730;asciilifeform;given how crapple world rolls, i expect very soon the ruby liquishit will be the only 1 remaining
1840410;1533753794;phf;well, my point is that we're already dealing with a closed source proprietary system, but if a log reader decides to provision a mac for whatever innocent purposes, choosing fink or macports will result in pointless pain
1840411;1533753842;asciilifeform;here i must disagree, asciilifeform as recently as 2016 set up a crapple with full complement of unixlike tools, incl gnat, via 'macports'
1840412;1533753846;asciilifeform;with ~0 pain
1840413;1533753878;asciilifeform;even exotica, e.g. 'gnuradio', builds.
1840414;1533753920;phf;that is fine, log readers can try both methods, i've stated my warnings.
1840415;1533753948;asciilifeform;ideally log reader will find way to avoid contact with crapple
1840416;1533754038;asciilifeform;at this point it is not so unlike winblowz , i.e. if yer getting srs dough for putting on the bathyscaphe and descending into sewer, then yes, descend, but prolly won't feel like telling people about it, and will try to forget at end of the day
1840417;1533754255;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/08/pentagon-bombs-market-for-fitness-trackers-with-ban/ << Qntra - Pentagon Bombs Market For Fitness Trackers With Ban
1840418;1533754599;asciilifeform;phf: fwiw ( and possibly i mentioned this in the past ) asciilifeform works with... undocumented corners of microshitiana , for his bread. ( would liek to stop, but i dun see it happening any time soon . ) but i wouldn't wish it on other people, or recommend it as a 'promising career' etc.
1840419;1533754732;asciilifeform;observe that you won't find asciilifeform posting tips an' tricks re winblowz terraforming. or anything re subj. the Right Thing to do with winblowz, is to flush it down toilet, and walk away.
1840420;1533754790;asciilifeform;( similarly i observe that, e.g., phf , or ben_vulpes , do not post re ruby or whatever horror they're currently mired in in the saeculum, for what i suspect is same reason )
1840421;1533763474;mod6;<+asciilifeform> ok worx << all finished with the re-image then?
1840422;1533763642;asciilifeform;mod6: will be tonight, after which there will remain http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-08#1840376
1840423;1533763642;a111;Logged on 2018-08-08 16:58 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'ma test new kernel today, then tomorrow will ask BingoBoingo to power down rk-c and put disk in dulap to i can snap new master img, then it will go into service ( and can reimage BingoBoingo also ) .
1840424;1533763667;mod6;ah, sorry, overlooked that.  thanks asciilifeform
1840425;1533804313;spyked;!S ssh github.com
1840426;1533804314;spykedbot;SSH banner of github.com: SSH-2.0-libssh_0.7.0
1840427;1533804325;spyked;!S ssh 197.53.92.104
1840428;1533804335;spyked;!S ssh 115.84.92.92
1840429;1533804335;spykedbot;SSH banner of 115.84.92.92: SSH-2.0-dropbear_2013.62
1840430;1533804449;spyked;^ note that the default behaviour now is "say nothing on failure". I'm not convinced that this is the proper way to interact, would like to hear opinions on this.
1840431;1533823506;jurov;spyked: when querying via DNS, perhaps show the IP address, too?
1840432;1533823562;jurov;and github.com resolves to two IPs (but that'd be perhaps too complicated to implement)
1840433;1533824270;spyked;jurov, thanks for the idea! sbcl's resolver (sb-bsd-sockets:get-host-by-name) returns both addresses on my machine, but querying each of them for the banner might break the one-response-per-command rule (I could try to string them all together in one response, but I find that ugly). so maybe I could add DNS resolution as a separate command?
1840434;1533824435;spyked;some tests using sbcl, for reference: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/lMcV9/?raw=true
1840435;1533824964;jurov;yes, extra dns resolution could prove useful
1840436;1533825130;jurov;in the light of https://archive.is/PLWLd
1840437;1533825418;jurov;while !S can be kept as is, only show the one IP banner is from.
1840438;1533826394;asciilifeform;'Mozilla wants to override any configured DNS server with Cloudflare' << pretty lulzy
1840439;1533826407;asciilifeform;( nao whether somebody, somewhere, still uses recent mozilla, is separate q )
1840440;1533826427;asciilifeform;mod6: new rk kernel baked, tested, worx.
1840441;1533826640;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Ready for the swappy dance?
1840442;1533826655;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: zipping up kernel, will ping you
1840443;1533826662;BingoBoingo;Standing by
1840444;1533827823;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: ok to swap
1840445;1533827836;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Alright, walking over
1840446;1533829058;BingoBoingo;Drive C is in Dulap
1840447;1533829064;asciilifeform;ty
1840448;1533829160;asciilifeform;snapshotting nao
1840449;1533829167;BingoBoingo;Standing by
1840450;1533829701;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: ok to remove and boot C back up
1840451;1533829720;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: you mentioned that you want yours reimaged ? didja back up the thing ?
1840452;1533829752;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I have the stuff I need off of it.
1840453;1533829772;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: incl any /etc configolade ?
1840454;1533829786;asciilifeform;it'll all vanish
1840455;1533829799;asciilifeform;if this worx for you, go ahead and move your drive over to dulap
1840456;1533829808;asciilifeform;which unit were you again ? 'E' ?
1840457;1533829823;BingoBoingo;F
1840458;1533829825;asciilifeform;ok
1840459;1533829825;BingoBoingo;C is back
1840460;1533829832;asciilifeform;lemme know when F's disk is in
1840461;1533829862;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: incl any /etc configolade ? << I have my custom stuff. F is in
1840462;1533829878;asciilifeform;ok, this'll take 20-30min, can go eat
1840463;1533829886;BingoBoingo;tyvm
1840464;1533830055;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: let's take the rest of this to #p, to reduce log pollution. ping me there when you get back.
1840465;1533831121;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in heathendom, https://archive.is/aiaQH << linux 4.xx arbitrary r/w 0day
1840466;1533831232;asciilifeform;'The bug only affects kernels that have CONFIG_POSIX_TIMERS and CONFIG_CHECKPOINT_RESTORE enabled, which is done by a lot of modern distros' << i.e. none of asciilifeform's kernels
1840467;1533831286;asciilifeform;but still lulzy wankage, e.g., https://archive.is/qeO5s >> 'Since this has business impact, we consider legal action against the opaque Linux-distros vulnerability-disclosure-among-friends-for-fun-and-profit scheme, that we exposed at the ITU earlier this year. This is digital divide in the works, with real impact for non-club-members ...'
1840468;1533831367;asciilifeform;and the cucks entertain, https://archive.is/4L8IS >> from one 'Solar Designer' , kernelist, 'However, with CERT involved and with related issues affecting more than just Linux, there was little I could do, short of playing full BOFH and breaking the semi-embargo for everyone.  While I think that would have been for the general public's benefit overall, I didn't feel about it strongly enough to actually do it this time.  I apologize f
1840469;1533831367;asciilifeform;or letting this happen.  (At the same time, I did force another semi-public issue to oss-security right away since that one didn't involve coordination with so many parties.)'
1840470;1533831645;asciilifeform;for non-expert entomologists : the perps ( i dun distinguish b/w 'bug'-inserters and coverup-artists ) ~continue~ to spew the squid ink where the patch is disguised as 'for denial of service bug' rather than arbitrary r/w -- despite the cat being out of the bag for nearly whole day nao
1840471;1533831757;asciilifeform;'responsible disclosure'(tm)(r), didjaknow.
1840472;1533831883;asciilifeform;( consists, in practice, of regular warm, wet kisses from usg.nsa straight into mouths of folx still using 'modern distros' , followed up by generous cocktail of obfuscatory lies to the public , then exposure, then the usual fudstorm to try an' keep the ruse alive for a bonus day or three )
1840473;1533832053;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i gotta step into meatspace for a spell, see #p log for next instruction
1840474;1533833159;mod6;<+asciilifeform> mod6: new rk kernel baked, tested, worx. << nice! thanks for baking.
1840475;1533833361;asciilifeform;mod6: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/0bETd/?raw=true
1840476;1533833389;asciilifeform;mod6: plox to test and confirm.
1840477;1533834715;mod6;Ok will check it out when I can.
1840478;1533838197;asciilifeform;mod6: it's simply the launch codes for rk 'C' ( previously occupied by mats ) , it is ready for new user.
1840479;1533838932;mod6;Ah, thanks alf.  Much appreciated.
1840480;1533843085;asciilifeform;in continuing lulz, 'Which "club"?  If you're an Open Source operating system distro, you can now apply to join (linux-)distros under our published criteria. Otherwise, yes, you're out of luck joining that "club".  This is "selective disclosure", and it has drawbacks.  There's no perfect alternative.'
1840481;1533843087;asciilifeform;'Like I said, what we're supporting with (linux-)distros is a certain kind of "selective disclosure".'
1840482;1533843300;asciilifeform;( for folx who dun feel like digging through that particular latrine pit -- they have an explicit '14 day embargo' to give nsa time to drill new holes into victims )
1840483;1533843340;BingoBoingo;So on this third day of baking, the dough may become a pizza crust instead of a bread. We'll see after incoming Qntra
1840484;1533844402;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/08/emergency-wireless-gateways-making-holes-in-substantial-numbers-of-usg-assets/ << Qntra - "Emergency" Wireless Gateways Making Holes in Substantial Numbers Of USG Assets
1840485;1533848845;asciilifeform;in other lulz, 'The Go implementation of the P-256 elliptic curve had a small bug due to a misplaced carry bit affecting less than 0.00000003% of field subtraction operations.'
1840486;1533848884;asciilifeform;Run Moar Googlelade.
1840487;1533848922;asciilifeform;'In about 500 submissions on average we recover the whole key' << from e.g. montrezor, other shitwallets, etc.
1840488;1533850603;BingoBoingo;lol
1840489;1533851204;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in castles, http://logs.bvulpes.com/asciilifeform?d=2018-8-9#411725 << thread of interest to phuctor readership
1840490;1533851204;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-08-09 21:08 mats: fun
1840491;1533851619;asciilifeform;about half of the 1st ( of 24!) parcel of 27M keyz from mats , eaten up nao. by end of next wk, will grind.
1840492;1533851670;asciilifeform;( eater is order of magnitude faster today than last yr, but still slowest component )
1840493;1533857391;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform any pops ?
1840494;1533857643;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-09#1840430 << very nice ; and could drop a "IP not known" on failure, sure.
1840495;1533857643;a111;Logged on 2018-08-09 08:47 spyked: ^ note that the default behaviour now is "say nothing on failure". I'm not convinced that this is the proper way to interact, would like to hear opinions on this.
1840496;1533857743;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-08#1840385 << hurr. idiots.
1840497;1533857743;a111;Logged on 2018-08-08 17:04 asciilifeform: 'The security researcher also recommended we consider using GPG signing for Homebrew/homebrew-core. The Homebrew project leadership committee took a vote on this and it was rejected non-unanimously due to workflow concerns.'
1840498;1533857757;mircea_popescu;their fucking "workflow". as if anyone "working" for github ever did any work.
1840499;1533857862;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-08#1840398 << let me guess, argentine national.
1840500;1533857862;a111;Logged on 2018-08-08 17:32 ben_vulpes: inserter-between-in-chief
1840501;1533858655;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 106.242.174.238
1840502;1533858661;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 115.84.92.92
1840503;1533858662;spykedbot;SSH banner of 115.84.92.92: SSH-2.0-dropbear_2013.62
1840504;1533858663;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-09#1840435 << useful in more than one way, actually ; we've had cases before where people dig'd by hand to see whether dns problem local or what.
1840505;1533858663;a111;Logged on 2018-08-09 14:29 jurov: yes, extra dns resolution could prove useful
1840506;1533858672;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-09#1840439 << or whether someone somewhere doesn't have cloudflare drop'd
1840507;1533858672;a111;Logged on 2018-08-09 14:53 asciilifeform: ( nao whether somebody, somewhere, still uses recent mozilla, is separate q )
1840508;1533858730;mircea_popescu;for future entomologists : entire list of http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/akDqm/?raw=true (seeming fixed ips in the recent bot attack) produced 0 matches. home routers.
1840509;1533858785;mircea_popescu;tsk. turns out spykedbot does not actually answer in pm ;/
1840510;1533858808;*;mircea_popescu apologizes for teh incoming spam.
1840511;1533858816;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 106.242.174.238
1840512;1533858817;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 106.84.44.243
1840513;1533858817;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 106.87.14.22
1840514;1533858817;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 110.9.75.121
1840515;1533858817;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 112.171.197.223
1840516;1533858818;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 113.169.16.251
1840517;1533858820;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 113.173.165.248
1840518;1533858822;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 113.179.70.53
1840519;1533858824;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 113.195.163.247
1840520;1533858826;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 114.205.80.49
1840521;1533858828;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 114.67.143.10
1840522;1533858830;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 115.49.57.28
1840523;1533858832;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 115.84.92.92
1840524;1533858834;spykedbot;SSH banner of 114.67.143.10: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_6.6.1p1 Ubuntu-2ubuntu2.8
1840525;1533858834;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 117.196.233.112
1840526;1533858836;spykedbot;SSH banner of 115.84.92.92: SSH-2.0-dropbear_2013.62
1840527;1533858838;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 117.7.182.97
1840528;1533858840;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 118.69.64.157
1840529;1533858842;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 119.195.172.233
1840530;1533858844;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 119.207.206.122
1840531;1533858846;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 119.42.81.39
1840532;1533858848;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 119.42.86.179
1840533;1533858850;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 121.129.179.28
1840534;1533858852;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 121.130.237.112
1840535;1533858854;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 121.140.73.245
1840536;1533858856;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 121.167.20.54
1840537;1533858858;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 121.55.180.50
1840538;1533858860;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 122.130.80.150
1840539;1533858862;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 122.179.50.205
1840540;1533858864;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 122.225.94.226
1840541;1533858865;spykedbot;SSH banner of 122.225.94.226: SSH-1.99-OpenSSH_3.7.1p2
1840542;1533858868;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 123.21.14.197
1840543;1533858870;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 123.21.165.68
1840544;1533858872;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 123.21.229.66
1840545;1533858874;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 123.28.232.86
1840546;1533858876;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 125.132.47.77
1840547;1533858878;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 125.86.179.173
1840548;1533858880;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 128.0.12.139
1840549;1533858881;spykedbot;SSH banner of 128.0.12.139: SSH-1.99-OpenSSH_5.1
1840550;1533858882;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 14.100.10.86
1840551;1533858884;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 14.169.218.153
1840552;1533858886;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 14.187.228.175
1840553;1533858887;spykedbot;SSH banner of 14.187.228.175: SSH-2.0-dropbear_2013.62
1840554;1533858888;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 14.32.233.240
1840555;1533858890;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 143.255.154.52
1840556;1533858892;spykedbot;SSH banner of 143.255.154.52: SSH-2.0-dropbear_2013.62
1840557;1533858892;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 143.255.154.65
1840558;1533858893;spykedbot;SSH banner of 143.255.154.65: SSH-2.0-dropbear_2013.62
1840559;1533858894;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 143.255.155.51
1840560;1533858895;spykedbot;SSH banner of 143.255.155.51: SSH-2.0-dropbear_2013.62
1840561;1533858898;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 146.115.241.104
1840562;1533858900;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 149.71.237.206
1840563;1533858902;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 156.194.216.250
1840564;1533858904;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 156.213.183.52
1840565;1533858906;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 159.192.248.185
1840566;1533858908;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 173.245.202.70
1840567;1533858910;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 175.115.29.17
1840568;1533858912;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 175.122.60.179
1840569;1533858914;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 175.127.155.212
1840570;1533858916;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 175.194.18.167
1840571;1533858918;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 175.204.176.181
1840572;1533858920;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 179.39.225.64
1840573;1533858922;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 180.101.125.226
1840574;1533858923;spykedbot;SSH banner of 180.101.125.226: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_6.6.1
1840575;1533858924;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 180.93.110.100
1840576;1533858928;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 181.105.2.222
1840577;1533858930;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 182.72.180.58
1840578;1533858932;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 186.178.75.194
1840579;1533858934;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 186.223.65.189
1840580;1533858936;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 186.47.170.45
1840581;1533858937;spykedbot;SSH banner of 186.47.170.45: SSH-2.0-dropbear_2013.62
1840582;1533858938;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 188.255.132.97
1840583;1533858939;spykedbot;SSH banner of 188.255.132.97: SSH-2.0-dropbear_2014.63
1840584;1533858940;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 189.110.232.164
1840585;1533858942;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 190.3.49.221
1840586;1533858943;spykedbot;SSH banner of 190.3.49.221: SSH-2.0-dropbear_2013.62
1840587;1533858944;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 192.140.93.67
1840588;1533858946;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 197.39.84.100
1840589;1533858948;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 197.41.151.9
1840590;1533858950;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 197.50.31.129
1840591;1533858952;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 197.53.92.104
1840592;1533858954;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 200.5.122.129
1840593;1533858955;spykedbot;SSH banner of 200.5.122.129: SSH-1.99-OpenSSH_5.8
1840594;1533858958;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 200.71.93.77
1840595;1533858960;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 202.58.97.178
1840596;1533858961;spykedbot;SSH banner of 202.58.97.178: SSH-2.0-ROSSSH
1840597;1533858962;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 203.251.62.131
1840598;1533858964;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 203.81.155.53
1840599;1533858966;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 205.185.223.162
1840600;1533858968;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 209.107.210.162
1840601;1533858970;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 209.107.214.95
1840602;1533858972;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 209.197.30.231
1840603;1533858974;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 210.96.184.134
1840604;1533858976;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 211.209.60.145
1840605;1533858978;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 213.242.26.225
1840606;1533858980;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 216.151.183.64
1840607;1533858982;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 219.255.51.23
1840608;1533858984;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 221.156.54.207
1840609;1533858988;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 31.131.122.188
1840610;1533858990;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 31.148.232.210
1840611;1533858992;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 31.45.134.254
1840612;1533858994;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 32.212.87.18
1840613;1533858996;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 37.245.139.74
1840614;1533858998;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 41.210.24.47
1840615;1533859000;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 41.235.243.110
1840616;1533859002;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 5.152.157.238
1840617;1533859004;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 58.238.124.19
1840618;1533859006;mircea_popescu;!S ssh 58.82.130.170
1840619;1533859018;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-09#1840467 << o look, they're gonna sue their own cvasi orc republic because nonos.
1840620;1533859018;a111;Logged on 2018-08-09 16:14 asciilifeform: but still lulzy wankage, e.g., https://archive.is/qeO5s >> 'Since this has business impact, we consider legal action against the opaque Linux-distros vulnerability-disclosure-among-friends-for-fun-and-profit scheme, that we exposed at the ITU earlier this year. This is digital divide in the works, with real impact for non-club-members ...'
1840621;1533859055;mircea_popescu;anyway. dropbear_2013.62 worth a looksee ?
1840622;1533859244;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-09#1840480  << forgot to mention which log they read to get the "idea". because totally, it'll no longer be "we copied tmsr" if they don't admit they copied tmsr.
1840623;1533859244;a111;Logged on 2018-08-09 19:31 asciilifeform: in continuing lulz, 'Which "club"?  If you're an Open Source operating system distro, you can now apply to join (linux-)distros under our published criteria. Otherwise, yes, you're out of luck joining that "club".  This is "selective disclosure", and it has drawbacks.  There's no perfect alternative.'
1840624;1533859357;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-09#1840487 << and i'm sure http://trilema.com/2016/and-they-wont-fucking-yield/ "we" have to "explain" why some randos calling themselves names aren't the names they chose but the names we chose.
1840625;1533859357;a111;Logged on 2018-08-09 21:08 asciilifeform: 'In about 500 submissions on average we recover the whole key' << from e.g. montrezor, other shitwallets, etc.
1840626;1533859482;asciilifeform;ohai mircea_popescu ! wb.
1840627;1533859487;*;asciilifeform eats log..
1840628;1533859542;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-09#1840493 << i'ma fire'em 1 full parcel at a time ( i.e. weekly ) ; output will ( per trinque's earlier note ) land in #asciilifeform for all interested.
1840629;1533859542;a111;Logged on 2018-08-09 23:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform any pops ?
1840630;1533859576;asciilifeform;at current rate , 1st parcel oughta be fully eaten by monday
1840631;1533859621;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-09#1840508 << will be interesting to check these against mats's mega-collection ( subj above ) , as i understand it is reasonably fresh and covers good % of ipv4
1840632;1533859621;a111;Logged on 2018-08-09 23:52 mircea_popescu: for future entomologists : entire list of http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/akDqm/?raw=true (seeming fixed ips in the recent bot attack) produced 0 matches. home routers.
1840633;1533859680;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-09#1840596 >> e.g. http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/factor/5411 , http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/factor/5367
1840634;1533859680;a111;Logged on 2018-08-09 23:56 spykedbot: SSH banner of 202.58.97.178: SSH-2.0-ROSSSH
1840635;1533859875;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-09#1840619 << would be lulzy to watch the scorpion sting itself, tho
1840636;1533859875;a111;Logged on 2018-08-09 23:56 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-09#1840467 << o look, they're gonna sue their own cvasi orc republic because nonos.
1840637;1533860307;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-09#1840621 << a random sampling of your dropbears reveals them to huawei ( e.g. 143.255.155.51 is a HG8247H , 14.187.228.175 -- a HG8045A ) , and ubiquiti ( 188.255.132.97 -- 'air os' )
1840638;1533860307;a111;Logged on 2018-08-09 23:57 mircea_popescu: anyway. dropbear_2013.62 worth a looksee ?
1840639;1533860323;asciilifeform;with working www-facing admin prompts
1840640;1533860381;asciilifeform;143.255.154.65 -- HG8247H
1840641;1533860394;asciilifeform;and they're ~all in orcistans, argentina, vietnam, etc ;
1840642;1533860411;asciilifeform;and pretty busy bees -- loading the admin prompt takes almost whole minute for some of these
1840643;1533860434;*;asciilifeform suspects the most elementary default creds shitrouter worm
1840644;1533860552;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-10#1840631 << btw i dun have'em all unpacked yet, but estimate the net weight to be somewhere b/w 300 and 500 mil. rsa mods
1840645;1533860552;a111;Logged on 2018-08-10 00:07 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-09#1840508 << will be interesting to check these against mats's mega-collection ( subj above ) , as i understand it is reasonably fresh and covers good % of ipv4
1840646;1533860771;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-10#1840622 << the shitstains have been doing their 'coordinated disclosure' for , what , 20yrs nao , it isn't particularly 'idea', but rather the default herd-biological behaviour of shitstains
1840647;1533860771;a111;Logged on 2018-08-10 00:00 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-09#1840480  << forgot to mention which log they read to get the "idea". because totally, it'll no longer be "we copied tmsr" if they don't admit they copied tmsr.
1840648;1533860827;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-09#1840476 << Ok, Sir!  Thanks, looks good :]
1840649;1533860827;a111;Logged on 2018-08-09 16:49 asciilifeform: mod6: plox to test and confirm.
1840650;1533860833;asciilifeform;ty mod6
1840651;1533860839;mod6;np
1840652;1533860891;mod6;Lords and Ladies: We have a rockchip ready to go!  Let us know if interested, details here if you didn't know already: http://pizarroisp.net/pizarro-hosting-rate-sheet/
1840653;1533860913;asciilifeform;^ nao with out-of-the-crate iptables support
1840654;1533860948;*;asciilifeform doesn't anticipate making any further changes to the pizarro rk kernel, at least while we use same iron
1840655;1533861004;asciilifeform;mod6: iirc there's another unit that will be vacant next wk. it will get same setup.
1840656;1533861032;asciilifeform;( unless , i suppose , trinque proclaims arm64 cuntoo release b/w nao and then )
1840657;1533861125;mod6;About 10 days until that one expires, ya.
1840658;1533861130;asciilifeform;aah
1840659;1533861539;*;mircea_popescu waves
1840660;1533861553;asciilifeform;how was crocodile central , mircea_popescu ?
1840661;1533861589;mircea_popescu;aactualy arenal is a volcano, no crocs there.
1840662;1533861596;asciilifeform;oh neato
1840663;1533861606;mircea_popescu;however, nude beauties bathe in waterfalls. not a complete loss.
1840664;1533861616;*;asciilifeform naively assumed an 'arenal' to be a beach
1840665;1533861637;mircea_popescu;well, there's a lake, and of course jacuzzipools etc. but anyways.
1840666;1533861666;mircea_popescu;in this country water's a safe assumption. if none on the ground, some will coming in via aeropost soon enough.
1840667;1533861681;asciilifeform;it gotta go somewhere, neh.
1840668;1533861721;mircea_popescu;there's also you know, 200m drop bridges and gazebos overlooking miles of jungle and stuff like that.
1840669;1533861762;asciilifeform;i gotta go and see some of this..
1840670;1533861789;mircea_popescu; i expect you'd enjoy.
1840671;1533862128;mod6;hola mircea_popescu
1840672;1533862132;mircea_popescu;hey hey
1840673;1533862162;mod6;sounds like a serene trip 'eh!
1840674;1533862189;mircea_popescu;pretty good
1840675;1533862218;mircea_popescu;meanwhile the pantsuit wank is overpowering, both odorously and lulzy. "digital divide" for instance ? totally term of pantsuit (idiocy is not an art).
1840676;1533862239;asciilifeform;i had to look that one up, lol
1840677;1533862268;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-10#1840633 << wowza, we actually have the ssh keys for some of these ?
1840678;1533862268;a111;Logged on 2018-08-10 00:08 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-09#1840596 >> e.g. http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/factor/5411 , http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/factor/5367
1840679;1533862271;mod6;they're fuckin everywhere
1840680;1533862278;mircea_popescu;inb4 tmsr did it
1840681;1533862323;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not only do we , but http://logs.bvulpes.com/asciilifeform?d=2018-8-10#411746 ( and elsewhere, earlier ), if can find how they constrained the keyspace, can pop ~all~ of'em
1840682;1533862324;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-08-09 21:21 asciilifeform: if can find the originating booby, can potentially turn half dozen pops, into several 10k.
1840683;1533862336;asciilifeform;elementarily.
1840684;1533862352;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-10#1840646 << i don't mean that, i mean specifically http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-22#1816498 part.
1840685;1533862352;a111;Logged on 2018-08-10 00:26 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-10#1840622 << the shitstains have been doing their 'coordinated disclosure' for , what , 20yrs nao , it isn't particularly 'idea', but rather the default herd-biological behaviour of shitstains
1840686;1533862352;a111;Logged on 2018-05-22 05:11 mircea_popescu: this paradigm readily explains the soviet state - "rock and roll" relationship, and moreover that historical accident had a lot to do with why alphabet even ~exists~ today. otherwise, on the naked strength of imaginary "advertising revenue" google is worth ~dozen stackexchanges/slashdots/sourceforges. but, generals always fight last year's war, and so here we are, "bayesian lesswisdom".
1840687;1533862389;asciilifeform;hmm, not sure i get it
1840688;1533862448;mircea_popescu;ummm wtf happened here.
1840689;1533862479;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-16#1834921 << i mislinked.
1840690;1533862479;a111;Logged on 2018-07-16 15:44 mircea_popescu: as we're contemplating an eulora client rewrite, i am contemplating the following code release paradigm : client author a) releases code encrypted to l1, signed and deeded (so basically, gpg -aer asciilifeform -r ave1 -r etc) ; b) releases precompiled binaries for allcomers.
1840691;1533862483;asciilifeform;aaa
1840692;1533862557;mircea_popescu;"digital divide" a-ok nao, for reasons (see "code of conduct", i'm sure it explains why they can blather all they want for as long as they do exactly what we say etc)
1840693;1533862729;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'seclist' lulzfest linked specifically for the laugh where some boeck figure loses his shit because some 'traitor' didn't wait the requisite 14days usg wanted etc
1840694;1533862802;asciilifeform;!!up rain2
1840695;1533862803;deedbot;rain2 voiced for 30 minutes.
1840696;1533862837;asciilifeform;rain2: hello ?
1840697;1533862848;rain2;thanks
1840698;1533862861;asciilifeform;rain2: who are you , and what brings you to #trilema ?
1840699;1533862870;rain2;mircea_popescu
1840700;1533862959;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: seems like one of yer patients, showing signs of life !
1840701;1533862983;rain2;this seems very interesting and i want to learn about it
1840702;1533862998;mod6;get in the wot, rent a rockchip, become a start
1840703;1533863000;mod6;*star
1840704;1533863041;asciilifeform;rain2: consider reading The Log , http://btcbase.org/log/ , until he wakes up
1840705;1533863069;*;mod6 sales moad - active
1840706;1533863106;asciilifeform;rain2: chances are, more or less any interesting subj you've ever thought about , is somewhere in the log. make use of the search.
1840707;1533863130;rain2;I will!
1840708;1533863222;asciilifeform;rain2: while you have the microphone, want to say something about yerself ?
1840709;1533863257;asciilifeform;on my planet, folx introduce themselves, e.g. 'i am bob and i drive a rubbish truck'
1840710;1533863326;asciilifeform;'i am joe, and i recycle baby pandas' . etc
1840711;1533863434;asciilifeform;rain2: ... and if you have a www , link it .
1840712;1533863501;rain2;if you like the scheme programming language, i have blogged about it https://rain-1.github.io/scheme
1840713;1533863544;rain2;I think V is cool
1840714;1533863617;asciilifeform;rain2: 'The compiler doesn’t actually emit a sequence of 64 bit words though. It emits a “tokens” which the virtual machine can read in and translate into 64 bit words before they get executed.' << out of curiosity, why didja do this
1840715;1533863653;asciilifeform;why not output threadedcode, a la Forth, directly
1840716;1533863720;rain2;i'm not that good with forth - I want to learn it better but it's difficult. I  think if we did output threaded code directly that could be a real improvement
1840717;1533863755;trinque;rain2: by chance is english not your first language?
1840718;1533863796;asciilifeform;rain2: incidentally you will prolly find the recent work by spyked , http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/074-adalisp-prototype.html + http://btcbase.org/patches/adalisp_genesis , to be of interest
1840719;1533863825;rain2;nice
1840720;1533863899;asciilifeform;rain2: i recommend to register with deedbot :
1840721;1533863900;asciilifeform;!!help
1840722;1533863901;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html
1840723;1533863915;asciilifeform;rain2: ... and then i will rate you , and you will be able to self-voice.
1840724;1533863920;*;asciilifeform will bbl
1840725;1533863964;rain2;!!register https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x4CF88D683C827AC8
1840726;1533863967;deedbot;891F03D110B58CD7985D5FBB4CF88D683C827AC8 registered as rain2.
1840727;1533864033;trinque;!!rate rain2 1 schemer
1840728;1533864035;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/197ss/?raw=true
1840729;1533864050;rain2;thank you
1840730;1533864073;trinque;!!v 0378023FB86518671AAB8A0EFD9E4919E599AAF780052962140933C41F7F052E
1840731;1533864073;deedbot;trinque rated rain2 1 << schemer
1840732;1533864130;trinque;sure thing, you can now pm deedbot !!up
1840733;1533864152;rain2;how are you?
1840734;1533864177;trinque;winding down after a long day; yourself?
1840735;1533864192;rain2;yep just poking around online
1840736;1533864206;trinque;you said mp brought you? are you a reader of his blog?
1840737;1533864227;mircea_popescu;trinque i said something in <wsm> kaniini has invited you to join #litepub
1840738;1533864250;trinque;ah ok
1840739;1533864278;rain2;oh he didn't bring me, ifollowed
1840740;1533864302;mircea_popescu;!!up kaniini
1840741;1533864302;deedbot;kaniini voiced for 30 minutes.
1840742;1533864323;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform fellow's about to discover phuctor, i guess.
1840743;1533864348;kaniini;well, i am not surprised by the finding that the keys are weak, given it is embedded shitboxes
1840744;1533864359;mircea_popescu;~relevant bit being i guess "<kaniini> now that's a nick i haven't seen in a while.  there is already https://github.com/kaniini/antissh that pops most of them.  this stuff about keys is interesting though"
1840745;1533864364;mircea_popescu;i hope you don't mind the quote.
1840746;1533864379;kaniini;i didn't bother to check the keys yet
1840747;1533864424;mircea_popescu;anyway ; tmsr has been running a ~yearly survey of the ipv4 space. results are lulzy, likle http://trilema.com/2016/internet-census-2016/
1840748;1533864513;mircea_popescu;(various other lulzolade, say http://trilema.com/2017/the-incidental-humiliation-of-obamas-clean-energy-policies-marc-andreessens-internet-of-farts-and-other-such-comedic-gold-bricks/ sorta 2nd step from there)
1840749;1533864800;kaniini;i guess, the question is, i wonder if we can check somehow in real time
1840750;1533864804;kaniini;if a key is vulnerable
1840751;1533864812;kaniini;if key is good, then we can skip scanning it
1840752;1533864882;kaniini;a lot of the devices will let you log in anyway,
1840753;1533864884;kaniini;and then it will send something like "Invalid password"
1840754;1533864884;kaniini;but you can open direct-tcpip channels
1840755;1533864893;kaniini;i'd say at least half of the ips i have seen are like that
1840756;1533865118;mircea_popescu;kaniini ~new~ keys are generally queued because the factorization process is somewhat involved. but there's a real time rss in #asciilifeform
1840757;1533865147;mircea_popescu;wtf do you mean "log you in anyway"
1840758;1533865167;mircea_popescu;rain2 say !!up to deedbot in pm, then !!v the string it gives you.
1840759;1533865187;rain2;super!
1840760;1533865242;kaniini;mircea_popescu i mean, it will open a terminal channel and dump you into a login(1) type program, instead of rejecting the password
1840761;1533865249;kaniini;mircea_popescu so from perspective of sshd, you're fully logged in and can do whatever you want
1840762;1533865259;mircea_popescu;jaysus
1840763;1533865260;kaniini;mircea_popescu but you have this worthless terminal channel
1840764;1533865276;mircea_popescu;who does this ? huawei ? all of em ?
1840765;1533865284;kaniini;those are the huaweis
1840766;1533865294;kaniini;mikrotik routeros is thankfully not that bad
1840767;1533865297;mircea_popescu;aha! so that's why they keep popping up.
1840768;1533865362;kaniini;i wonder if checking exponent on these huawei keys will be interesting
1840769;1533865364;kaniini;if they are non-prime that would be an easy thing to check
1840770;1533865395;mircea_popescu;not hard to extract e from pubkey.
1840771;1533865399;kaniini;yeah
1840772;1533865428;mircea_popescu;pretty sure someone published python to do it, even. jurov mebbe ? or spyked ?
1840773;1533867408;mircea_popescu;!!up kaniini
1840774;1533867408;deedbot;kaniini voiced for 30 minutes.
1840775;1533867412;mircea_popescu;hey, got a pgp key ?
1840776;1533867420;kaniini;i don't
1840777;1533867428;kaniini;i can create one i suppose
1840778;1533867544;mircea_popescu;there's no other basis of identity online. people gotta know who they talk to.
1840779;1533867887;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/mircea_popescu.jpg << like this, you know ?
1840780;1533867971;kaniini;the huaweis use static kexinit data too it seems
1840781;1533870216;Mocky;so in reading the logs I see that musl is a libc which is smaller and stricter than glibc. is there such a thing for c++ standard library or is it not needed?
1840782;1533871342;asciilifeform;Mocky: cpp proggy always rides on libc. witness trb, the orig experiment with musl here.
1840783;1533871352;asciilifeform;!#s rotor
1840784;1533871353;a111;493 results for "rotor", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=rotor
1840785;1533871361;asciilifeform;^ some history.
1840786;1533871518;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-10#1840769 << nonprime e per se dun make for simple break ( tho it tends to go along with other sad, which is why i mark'em in phuctor )
1840787;1533871518;a111;Logged on 2018-08-10 01:42 kaniini: if they are non-prime that would be an easy thing to check
1840788;1533871605;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-10#1840780 << can't be ~entirely~ static seedturd , or they'd all have exactly same key; gotta be something moar along the lines of the debian lulz
1840789;1533871605;a111;Logged on 2018-08-10 02:26 kaniini: the huaweis use static kexinit data too it seems
1840790;1533871623;*;asciilifeform bbl,meat
1840791;1533873150;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform entirely possible they actually do, say very narrow keyspace.
1840792;1533874963;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: we'd have 30k of them in db then, not 3
1840793;1533881561;mircea_popescu;reasonably, yes. but possibly ? no ? how do i know.
1840794;1533906694;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in the heathen circus, https://archive.is/DD2uo >> '...Google engineer...sorting out the Spectre security hole mess...went to his hotel room in Caesars Palace and found his room key no longer worked. When he went to reception to find out what the problem was he was met by two security guards who took him to the room, told him pick up his stuff and escorted him off the premises. He was also given a written warning that he w
1840795;1533906694;asciilifeform;ould be prosecuted if he stepped foot in the hotel again... "Sir, your speech has consequences so you better think about that in the future before you threaten," was another comment from the security team.'
1840796;1533906824;asciilifeform;( whole thing lulzy )
1840797;1533906916;asciilifeform;e.g. diff chump at same rubber chicken fest, 'Because I declined to have maid service in my hotel room at BlackHat, two security guys came to my room and demanded I open my door and let them do a walkthrough search'
1840798;1533910250;mod6;!!reputation adlai
1840799;1533910252;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/52erp/?raw=true
1840800;1533910420;mod6;http://logs.bvulpescom/pizarro?d=2018-8-10#412082 ^
1840801;1533910428;mod6;gah
1840802;1533910437;mod6;http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-8-10#412082 ^
1840803;1533910437;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-08-10 07:01 adlai: at the risk of sounding like a lightly-chipped (for the broken don't spin too good) record: i'd be glad to rent the new rockchip. i promise this time to think before i type, and not play the shitty music too loud.
1840804;1533911904;mircea_popescu;kaniini you everr read http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-04#1839496 ?
1840805;1533911904;a111;Logged on 2018-08-04 22:25 mircea_popescu: anyway, tbh i'm mostly encouraging the utter collapse of freenode's "security" model. it should be obvious that lode/ae dorks could just as well REGISTER the spambots. it's a fully automated process, what's the problem, emails ? gimme a break.
1840806;1533911913;mircea_popescu;!!up kaniini
1840807;1533911914;deedbot;kaniini voiced for 30 minutes.
1840808;1533911923;kaniini;mircea_popescu yes
1840809;1533911931;mircea_popescu;a cool
1840810;1533911935;mircea_popescu;!!key kaniini
1840811;1533911936;deedbot;Not registered.
1840812;1533911964;kaniini;i agree that it would be nice to require SMS or something else to register
1840813;1533911970;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "evil maild" mandatory\!!!
1840814;1533911992;kaniini;it would also be nice to be able to exclude accounts newer than X days
1840815;1533912004;kaniini;at least then they have to go to the effort to farm accounts
1840816;1533912046;kaniini;the account login message could be trivially extended to send registration time
1840817;1533912050;kaniini;then you could set +r 1d
1840818;1533912054;kaniini;instead of just +r
1840819;1533912064;kaniini;or whatever
1840820;1533912100;mircea_popescu;kaniini doesn't work lol, consider http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Amircea+fetlife (specifrically http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787186 )
1840821;1533912100;a111;Logged on 2018-03-08 00:20 mircea_popescu: sooo... big deal, 1 sent girl to buy a bagful of phone numbers. they cost, no joke, $2.5 here. EXCEPT, of course, they want your "cedula", you know, "por activacion".
1840822;1533912136;kaniini;mircea_popescu yes, but requiring accounts older than X days would help to mitigate
1840823;1533912154;mircea_popescu;how ? lol. you just make the accts now, sell later.
1840824;1533912409;kaniini;nobody is going to buy accounts to flood freenode with
1840825;1533912415;kaniini;lets be real here
1840826;1533912426;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2016/give-computers-the-vote-theyre-cheaper-than-women-even/ exists for a reason ; and that reason is that computers have actually reached the place where they're indistinguishable from the "anonymous" inter-neet.
1840827;1533912443;mircea_popescu;kaniini and why not ?
1840828;1533912464;kaniini;the average idiot flooding freenode is a dumb kid with no money
1840829;1533912477;mircea_popescu;and the average girlfriend is fat. what's that do ?
1840830;1533912565;mircea_popescu;read the thing quoted. it says http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787189 and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-08#1787190 for a fucking reason. that reason is, that for as long as freenode persists in "code of conduct" and "women aren't meat" and assorted nonsense, the republic is wealthy, and the republic is powerful, and yes someone will pay so that hilary "inexplicably" loses "the election".
1840831;1533912565;a111;Logged on 2018-03-08 00:21 mircea_popescu: this entire exercise in idiocy has, practically speaking, resulted in me paying various hard working ticos a grand or so, to the people fucking in the ass the "security" paradigm of pantsuit.fetlife. IN LIEU of having paid that much, and rather more, to the fetlife itself.
1840832;1533912565;a111;Logged on 2018-03-08 00:22 mircea_popescu: but this paradigm where "we will cater to the peniless but opinionated female herd, instead of the rich and actually powerful white male" fucked them over.
1840833;1533912755;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-07#1840131 << interesting. can prolly declassify once erect, make a picture blogpost ? not like someone can alter physics.
1840834;1533912755;a111;Logged on 2018-08-07 16:09 asciilifeform: !Q later tell mircea_popescu http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/IHgO2/?raw=true
1840835;1533913447;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-10#1840797 << the zekstories from teh zekzone ever more zeklulzy. ZEKS!!!
1840836;1533913447;a111;Logged on 2018-08-10 13:15 asciilifeform: e.g. diff chump at same rubber chicken fest, 'Because I declined to have maid service in my hotel room at BlackHat, two security guys came to my room and demanded I open my door and let them do a walkthrough search'
1840837;1533913493;mircea_popescu;this, btw, is why you DO NOT WANT "electronic" key. wtf is this dumb shit, "key no longer works" ? i paid for a fucking day, i own the fucking lease, you can have your room again tomorrow when im done with it AND NOT BEFORE. jesus fuck wtf is wrong with these people.
1840838;1533913507;mircea_popescu;none of this is "at will". if i rent a room, i bought the option, that's that.
1840839;1533916308;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-10#1840833 << i expect we'll publish buncha pr0n of the thing, once it starts working
1840840;1533916308;a111;Logged on 2018-08-10 14:52 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-07#1840131 << interesting. can prolly declassify once erect, make a picture blogpost ? not like someone can alter physics.
1840841;1533916360;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-10#1840837 << afaik not 1 single hotel, neither the posh kind nor the cockroach pit sort , remaining in the reich with old-fashioned brass keys
1840842;1533916360;a111;Logged on 2018-08-10 15:04 mircea_popescu: this, btw, is why you DO NOT WANT "electronic" key. wtf is this dumb shit, "key no longer works" ? i paid for a fucking day, i own the fucking lease, you can have your room again tomorrow when im done with it AND NOT BEFORE. jesus fuck wtf is wrong with these people.
1840843;1533916529;mircea_popescu;sucks for the reich. i just come from one, had brass key for the door and steel key for the safe on the ring.
1840844;1533916576;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but anyway, to answer the q : sure.
1840845;1533916576;asciilifeform;neato
1840846;1533916645;asciilifeform;cool. i'ma prepare the requisites then, when $otherend is up.
1840847;1533916666;asciilifeform;will be one hell of an experiment.
1840848;1533916678;mircea_popescu;lol.
1840849;1533916821;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-10#1840813 << the only thing funnier than the hotel rectal probing and post-party arrests they do, is how the patients continue to show ( and pay, what, 5-10k usd, for the privilege ) !
1840850;1533916821;a111;Logged on 2018-08-10 14:39 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "evil maild" mandatory\!!!
1840851;1533916868;mircea_popescu;"nothing else exists" right, "this is everywhere" bla bla.
1840852;1533916868;asciilifeform;e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693509 d00d
1840853;1533916868;a111;Logged on 2017-08-03 19:32 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the circus , https://archive.is/tAOy3
1840854;1533916873;mircea_popescu;they utterly deserve each other.
1840855;1533916981;asciilifeform;meanwhile , in good things, http://summaries.logs.esthlos.com is alive an' kickin' again.
1840856;1533917082;asciilifeform;http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-8-10#412082 << adlai : folx on mircea_popescu's list of the officially sad, can't lease boxen, i thought this was clear
1840857;1533917082;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-08-10 07:01 adlai: at the risk of sounding like a lightly-chipped (for the broken don't spin too good) record: i'd be glad to rent the new rockchip. i promise this time to think before i type, and not play the shitty music too loud.
1840858;1533917091;*;mircea_popescu enjoyed http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/07a-copenhagen.html 
1840859;1533917288;asciilifeform;!!rate rain2 1 small scheme interpreters
1840860;1533917291;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/nM8FC/?raw=true
1840861;1533917331;asciilifeform;!!v 73D35CBF0122AC4E8F5F61BFE2207804243D26DEAECF490D4E3A8F139387E8E9
1840862;1533917331;deedbot;asciilifeform rated rain2 1 << small scheme interpreters
1840863;1533917359;asciilifeform;!!key kaniini
1840864;1533917360;deedbot;Not registered.
1840865;1533917361;asciilifeform;eh.
1840866;1533917499;mod6;either you're WoT, or not.
1840867;1533917512;mircea_popescu;spyked http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/07a-copenhagen.html#selection-449.0-453.178 << this made very little sense to me. how does it follow ? why, for instance, do you suspect any of the three would, or which holes ?
1840868;1533917546;mircea_popescu;sometimes you read like "here's a picture of the apple tree in socialism, as you can see, it makes fruit to help the 5year plan", you know that ?
1840869;1533917578;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/nobody-knows-what-lovage-is/ << Trilema - Nobody knows what lovage is...
1840870;1533918094;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-10#1840822 << this sorta thing ~increases~ spam, creates suddenly 'valuable' market in aged accts
1840871;1533918094;a111;Logged on 2018-08-10 14:42 kaniini: mircea_popescu yes, but requiring accounts older than X days would help to mitigate
1840872;1533918101;asciilifeform;oh hah, mircea_popescu already pointed out.
1840873;1533918165;asciilifeform;( relatedly, iirc there's a vintage ro trilema re how reich-style policing increases street theft , by making fertile fields for smalltime crime , but can't seem to unearth it )
1840874;1533923062;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/yes-bitch-i-would-bring-it/ << Trilema - Yes, bitch, I would. Bring it.
1840875;1533929046;mod6;!!pay BingoBoingo 0.23437500
1840876;1533929053;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/6Dc3g/?raw=true
1840877;1533929109;mod6;(for "Samsung 860 EVO 1TB 2.5 Inch SATA III Internal SSD (MZ-76E1T0B/AM)" x 5) ^
1840878;1533929342;mod6;!!v 69850D450748766DFCF06AE8A4BBE641ACC9DA228811DE7346E57498162385AC
1840879;1533929345;deedbot;mod6 paid BingoBoingo 0.23437500
1840880;1533931288;mod6;!!ledger
1840881;1533931293;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/LyqpB/?raw=true
1840882;1533931472;mod6;Previously we paid .21483957 for UY3 (according to the April statement)
1840883;1533931491;mod6;oops wrong channel
1840884;1533932627;mod6;!!rate mats 2 Pizarro Client, TMSR~ things
1840885;1533932630;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/NtYkO/?raw=true
1840886;1533932774;mod6;!!v 6C67DCC21EEECCC898DBD1EBEBB8EF13839CE27002E99ABFB8F2197E4CE78A62
1840887;1533932775;deedbot;mod6 rated mats 2 << Pizarro Client, TMSR~ things
1840888;1533932953;mod6;!!rate 2 ave1 musltronic gnat & TMSR~ things
1840889;1533932967;mod6;!!rate ave1 2 musltronic gnat & TMSR~ things
1840890;1533932970;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/87XHQ/?raw=true
1840891;1533932990;mod6;!!rate spyked 2 TMSR~ Regular
1840892;1533932993;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/i3QbM/?raw=true
1840893;1533933020;mod6;!!rate mocky 1 Eulora Development
1840894;1533933023;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/gZ5mj/?raw=true
1840895;1533933281;mod6;!!v 14857FD9CBED09635F2279BAA41985A9E5D0B6DCBE6E58B8BE1F11BDB9814968
1840896;1533933281;deedbot;mod6 rated ave1 2 << musltronic gnat & TMSR~ things
1840897;1533933293;mod6;!!v 4560483134951058A1E3E1768E653835B5F9E8D4FD6E2AFEC7AE77EF9930F8BB
1840898;1533933294;deedbot;mod6 rated spyked 2 << TMSR~ Regular
1840899;1533933308;mod6;!!v C47A761BC19959B5E5837E66559613DE3027460F84E8730D195904C8A7296618
1840900;1533933308;deedbot;mod6 rated mocky 1 << Eulora Development
1840901;1533935270;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-10#1840849 << these are not stories of abuse, these are war stories "what i do matters". it's such a huge part of the lore that i wouldn't be surprised if the hotel mgmt does it to attract more of an attention to the event. you mean i get to hang out with dangerous hackers??
1840902;1533935270;a111;Logged on 2018-08-10 16:00 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-10#1840813 << the only thing funnier than the hotel rectal probing and post-party arrests they do, is how the patients continue to show ( and pay, what, 5-10k usd, for the privilege ) !
1840903;1533935303;asciilifeform;phf: in that case i have Great Biznis Ideas !11 why not, e.g., feed erry 10th one to pirannhas .
1840904;1533935673;phf;well, that's how mountaineering business works: bulk of ascends are done by sherpas, who carry a paying lawyer on their back, but you still have one in a thousand die in an avalanche, so that the rest can pretend like they actually did something dangerous.
1840905;1533936391;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/08/10/3-days-of-loaves/ << Bingo Blog - 3 Days Of Loaves
1840906;1533936413;BingoBoingo;^Baking update
1840907;1533939923;asciilifeform;ACHTUNG, PANZERS!
1840908;1533939937;asciilifeform;please welcome the new & improved phuctor www frontend, 4th rewrite !
1840909;1533939947;asciilifeform;nao with proper caching, and pagination.
1840910;1533939962;asciilifeform;( and buncha misc optimizations not worth listing individually )
1840911;1533940018;asciilifeform;nomoar 500MB pages!!1111
1840912;1533940059;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu ^ et al
1840913;1533940108;asciilifeform;theoretically oughta stand up to ~unlimited www use/abuse.
1840914;1533940483;BingoBoingo; Congrats
1840915;1533940502;asciilifeform;ty BingoBoingo . plox to torturetest.
1840916;1533940714;*;asciilifeform bbl : meat.
1840917;1533946284;asciilifeform;next rev will be : full text index / searcher.
1840918;1533946338;asciilifeform;so we can e.g. !phuctor 106.242.174.238 , !phuctor foo@bar.com , etc
1840919;1533946359;asciilifeform;( and yes the db is massaged to the point where this is practical. )
1840920;1533946455;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-10#1840901 << phf : come to think of it, see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-04#1732869
1840921;1533946455;a111;Logged on 2018-08-10 21:07 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-10#1840849 << these are not stories of abuse, these are war stories "what i do matters". it's such a huge part of the lore that i wouldn't be surprised if the hotel mgmt does it to attract more of an attention to the event. you mean i get to hang out with dangerous hackers??
1840922;1533946455;a111;Logged on 2017-11-04 14:37 asciilifeform: ( in mega-b00k re 'evil fyoootoor' , 'stand on zanzibar', this process becomes a proper service, for which they charge, and you can get not only firing squad but whatever you like, burning at the stake, guillotine, etc. )
1840923;1533952553;mod6;<+asciilifeform> please welcome the new & improved phuctor www frontend, 4th rewrite ! << nice!
1840924;1533952656;*;lobbes did some test browsing and can confirm: it is blazingly fast on my end
1840925;1533952684;mod6;yeah, the stats page is lightning
1840926;1533956499;asciilifeform;absolutely nuffin in there should take moar than (at worst) 3s or so, to load.
1840927;1533957252;mircea_popescu;o hey, this is nice
1840928;1533957596;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-10#1840904 << i fear he has it exactly right... the intent is not "omfg we're fucked" but precisely "oh noes we matter [enough to...]".
1840929;1533957596;a111;Logged on 2018-08-10 21:14 phf: well, that's how mountaineering business works: bulk of ascends are done by sherpas, who carry a paying lawyer on their back, but you still have one in a thousand die in an avalanche, so that the rest can pretend like they actually did something dangerous.
1840930;1533957618;mircea_popescu;persisent idiocy is always circular, after all.
1840931;1533957705;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-11#1840918 << this will be quite lovely.
1840932;1533957705;a111;Logged on 2018-08-11 00:12 asciilifeform: so we can e.g. !phuctor 106.242.174.238 , !phuctor foo@bar.com , etc
1840933;1533957787;mircea_popescu;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/factors << also very fast. nice.\
1840934;1533957924;mircea_popescu;"I've discovered batter for southern style biscuits." << lmao. 000 and beyonds fine ground flour is for pastry. coarser ground works best for bread.
1840935;1533957994;mircea_popescu;also stop putting egg in bread. egg is for cozonac, aranygaluska/monkeybread etc, sweetbreads.
1840936;1533958021;mircea_popescu;yeast and water ; let it rise for >4 hours in the mixing bowl and that's that.\
1840937;1533958214;asciilifeform;not only fast, but shortened the proggy by 100 ln or so, and nao also can add formulae to stats pg w/out restarting
1840938;1533958314;asciilifeform;( eater nao eats ~10% faster also, on acct of the thing not being bogged in doing stats asynch. )
1840939;1533958762;asciilifeform;the 1 other item in the queue there is 'scan this ip' box. but this, later.
1840940;1533958765;*;asciilifeform bbl,meat
1840941;1533998603;asciilifeform;!!up viznut
1840942;1533998604;deedbot;viznut voiced for 30 minutes.
1840943;1533998610;asciilifeform;viznut: who might you be ?
1840944;1533998725;asciilifeform;( all i found is, lol, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-31#1761693 )
1840945;1533998725;a111;Logged on 2017-12-31 15:01 mircea_popescu: this is a reminder to future self : plox negrate countercomplex / viznut on sight ty.
1840946;1533998780;viznut;this channel was mentioned at loper-os.org, which i stumbled upon via http://worrydream.com/why-2017-05-08/ which i found by doing some searches on myself
1840947;1533998836;asciilifeform;aaah you're the 'The resource leak bug of our civilization' fella
1840948;1533998859;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-31#1761626 << subjthread
1840949;1533998859;a111;Logged on 2017-12-31 14:06 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in vintage lulz, http://countercomplex.blogspot.com/2014/08/the-resource-leak-bug-of-our.html
1840950;1533998958;asciilifeform;viznut: you'll prolly find the chan logs to be of interest.
1840951;1533999006;asciilifeform;we even have a fella doing summaries nowadays, http://summaries.logs.esthlos.com
1840952;1533999030;asciilifeform;( he's eaten through the last 2yrs, afaik still working on earlier histories )
1840953;1533999088;viznut;sounds very unusual for an irc channel, might indicate that the people consider their discussions interesting enough
1840954;1533999135;asciilifeform;viznut: don't take my word for it, take a dig in the logs, make use of the search function.
1840955;1533999148;asciilifeform;chances are , anything interesting you've ever thought about, is touched on.
1840956;1533999245;asciilifeform;viznut: you will also find that there is not only irc but quite a few other things.
1840957;1533999321;viznut;allright, so this is starting to get much deeper than i expected. will need some time to explore
1840958;1533999340;asciilifeform;viznut: no hurry. most n00bs who end up coming back, do so after reading logs for months, sometimes year.
1840959;1534010759;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/08/puerto-rican-election-commisions-allowing-relief-aid-to-rot/ << Qntra - Puerto Rican Election Commisions Allowing Relief Aid To Rot
1840960;1534011990;mircea_popescu;i wonder wtf that was all about.
1840961;1534012254;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-31#1761694 <<< hgow about THAT alfie.
1840962;1534012254;a111;Logged on 2017-12-31 15:02 asciilifeform: oddlyenuff these negged-in-absentia folx never seem to come to pick up their 'award'
1840963;1534012300;mircea_popescu;viznut anyway, your past history of being an imbecile caught up with you finally. get the fuck lost.
1840964;1534013164;mircea_popescu;mod6 http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/XIatI/?raw=true
1840965;1534014309;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/08/russian-warship-treasure-story-looking-like-an-altcoin-scam/ << Qntra - "Russian Warship Treasure" Story Looking Like An Altcoin Scam
1840966;1534017580;mod6;mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/KIz1h/?raw=true
1840967;1534017664;mircea_popescu;alright.
1840968;1534018017;mod6;*thumbsup*
1840969;1534020269;asciilifeform;in other noose, loox like parcel no. 1 will be eaten before the night ends , optimized eater worxgreat
1840970;1534020295;asciilifeform;textsearch just about done also.
1840971;1534020308;asciilifeform;( index still needs bit of massage )
1840972;1534020607;asciilifeform;aaaand lol, just as i said this, realized that index gen will bring the machine to its knees for coupla hr.
1840973;1534020639;*;mircea_popescu has contributed to #asciilifeform.
1840974;1534023562;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-11#1840963 << bahaha, should've had'im register!111
1840975;1534023562;a111;Logged on 2018-08-11 18:31 mircea_popescu: viznut anyway, your past history of being an imbecile caught up with you finally. get the fuck lost.
1840976;1534025425;lobbes;in other final joyrides >> http://archive.is/L6WaW
1840977;1534025457;asciilifeform;notbad
1840978;1534025514;asciilifeform;lobbes: i suspect they'll have usg.net-connected hotel-style locks before long.
1840979;1534025543;asciilifeform;'Earlier in the flight, the man says: "This is probably like jail time for life, huh? I mean, I would hope it is, for a guy like me." "Well," a controller responds, "we're not going to worry or think about that. But could you start a left-hand turn, please?"' << gold
1840980;1534025563;asciilifeform;'"Nah, I mean, I don't need that much help. I've played some video games before," the man responds.'
1840981;1534026869;lobbes;asciilifeform, either that or they'll start stationing tsa meat on the runways
1840982;1534026976;asciilifeform;lobbes: naaah, too cheap. i can already picture 'mandatory solutions', $100K eyeball scanners in ignition locks & whatever crocks of shit, make $50k 'cesna' cost 150 , etc
1840983;1534027062;asciilifeform;they already had mandatory remote root on the boeings (which is how, lol '9/11'(tm)(r) ), can easily picture 'national seekoority' mandate of same for errything bigger than paper plane
1840984;1534028405;*;lobbes can picture
1840985;1534032066;asciilifeform;ACHTUNG, PANZERS !!!
1840986;1534032075;asciilifeform;new phuctorism : search .
1840987;1534032078;asciilifeform;e.g. http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/search?q=aliteralitatii
1840988;1534032095;asciilifeform;( later on, will have option to search only phuctored keyz )
1840989;1534032114;asciilifeform;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/search?q=mircea+popescu
1840990;1534032115;asciilifeform;etc
1840991;1534032127;asciilifeform;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/search?q=82.185.
1840992;1534032144;asciilifeform;errybody encouraged to use/abuse, thing is O(n log n) .
1840993;1534032182;asciilifeform;!Q later tell trinque lemme know if this needs additional knobs (jsonism ?) to work with deedbot
1840994;1534032182;lobbesbot;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1840995;1534032214;asciilifeform;currently max query output is wired to 10k, e.g. http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/search?q=GPG
1840996;1534032256;asciilifeform;can do various things, e.g. from old log, http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/search?q=amd+turd
1840997;1534032335;trinque;asciilifeform: not sure what you mean re: additional knobs
1840998;1534032335;lobbesbot;trinque: Sent 2 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> lemme know if this needs additional knobs (jsonism ?) to work with deedbot
1840999;1534032340;trinque;congrats on the phuctor upgrades btw
1841000;1534032365;asciilifeform;ty trinque
1841001;1534032371;asciilifeform;trinque: was speaking of hypothetical http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-11#1840918 knob
1841002;1534032371;a111;Logged on 2018-08-11 00:12 asciilifeform: so we can e.g. !phuctor 106.242.174.238 , !phuctor foo@bar.com , etc
1841003;1534032378;asciilifeform;supposing it's practical
1841004;1534032464;trinque;thinking being that it'd hand back the top search result?
1841005;1534032475;asciilifeform;aha
1841006;1534032516;Mocky;so many 'mocky's in there incl. sexualnepomocky and MockyJoke
1841007;1534032525;asciilifeform;lol!
1841008;1534032645;asciilifeform;thing is fast enuff that i prolly oughta give it a proper api thing
1841009;1534032651;asciilifeform;rather than having folx go an' scrape
1841010;1534032675;asciilifeform;then again perhaps it'd make life too easy for heathens
1841011;1534032695;asciilifeform;( i'ma see what mircea_popescu thinks )
1841012;1534032707;trinque;if all it does is cough up the link to search, wouldn't really need an API
1841013;1534032732;asciilifeform;was speaking moar generally ( moar complex searches etc )
1841014;1534032748;asciilifeform;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/search?q=eulora << lel who are these
1841015;1534032768;trinque;at any rate, happy to lend a hand when it's clear what the command will do
1841016;1534032778;asciilifeform;yay
1841017;1534032793;asciilifeform;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/search?q=bitcoin << holyfuq the liquishit tonnage
1841018;1534032827;asciilifeform;btw these are sorted, most-recent-submitted 1st
1841019;1534033096;asciilifeform;aaanyway i'ma bbl : meat .
1841020;1534033416;Mocky;lel >> http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/search?q=me@127.0.0.1
1841021;1534035031;BingoBoingo;Sweet
1841022;1534039256;mod6;<+asciilifeform> new phuctorism : search . << neato!
1841023;1534058935;diana_coman;ahahah -> http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/search?q=diana
1841024;1534082768;asciilifeform;in other noose, 1st mats parcel -- eaten. will grind today.
1841025;1534086327;asciilifeform;!Q later tell mod6 do we have spare ssd remaining ? i'ma need one asap, running out of temp storage .
1841026;1534086327;lobbesbot;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1841027;1534086895;asciilifeform;... in fact, loox like there won't be any moar phuctor output until i get a 1TB disk hooked up ( will have to be on a usb snake, luckily i left BingoBoingo with one -- as all 4 drive bays on dulap are full )
1841028;1534086970;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: we are gonna have to activate the s.nsa spare box, as a storage cluster ( and get disks to fill same )
1841029;1534087211;asciilifeform;mechanical disks would actually suffice, for this purpose.
1841030;1534087224;asciilifeform;( 4x,  as large as can be had. )
1841031;1534089567;asciilifeform;meanwhile... i'ma do a speshul singleshot run with ~only~ mats parcel1 (i.e. minus errything prior to june) as input , just to get a sense of what lies ahead. output will appear in #asciilifeform later today.
1841032;1534092120;BingoBoingo;Oh, how things grow!
1841033;1534093156;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-12#1841025 <<  Well, I'm under the impression that there might be a spare for the bitcoin foundation.
1841034;1534093156;a111;Logged on 2018-08-12 15:05 asciilifeform: !Q later tell mod6 do we have spare ssd remaining ? i'ma need one asap, running out of temp storage .
1841035;1534093157;lobbesbot;mod6: Sent 1 hour and 53 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> do we have spare ssd remaining ? i'ma need one asap, running out of temp storage .
1841036;1534093191;mod6;BingoBoingo ben_vulpes : is this true? ^
1841037;1534093223;BingoBoingo;mod6: I'll dig out the cabinet inventory
1841038;1534093233;mod6;Thanks, Sir.
1841039;1534093434;BingoBoingo;There's a TBF marked spare 1 TB samsung in the inventory sheet. If thoroughput isn't absolutely necessary there are also locally available external spinninf rust HDD's: https://www.zonatecno.com.uy/ProductDetail/90355/Disco%20duro%20externo%20Seagate%201TB%20STEA1000400%20USB%203-0 and https://www.zonatecno.com.uy/ProductDetail/90469/Disco%20duro%20externo%20Seagate%202TB%20STEA2000400%20USB%203-0
1841040;1534093460;*;mod6 looks
1841041;1534093585;mod6;ah, cool.  can you get by with an external drive like those then?  that might be the best idea, especially for $100-$120
1841042;1534093604;asciilifeform;mod6: problem is that afaik we dun have a 12v snake
1841043;1534093615;asciilifeform;only the typical 5v one ( i.e. needs lappy-sized drive )
1841044;1534093649;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Those are the bastard lappy drives in the plasic shells with snake already
1841045;1534093673;asciilifeform;aaa
1841046;1534093685;BingoBoingo;1 TB U$S 99, 2 TB U$S 129
1841047;1534093774;mod6;Sincen we only have ~one~ spare remaining on hand until we get our other drive shipments, I kinda wanna hang on to the foundation
1841048;1534093788;mod6;'s spare for emergency.
1841049;1534093812;asciilifeform;lessee later today
1841050;1534093825;asciilifeform;i'ma not ask for anyffing to be bought until mircea_popescu wakes up.
1841051;1534093830;mod6;ok cool.
1841052;1534093835;mod6;will stay tuned.
1841053;1534097518;*;mircea_popescu reads
1841054;1534097707;mircea_popescu;ftr, "crashing" in a "wooded area" sounds like someone didn't look for sidewinder debris at the site.
1841055;1534097738;asciilifeform;noshit
1841056;1534097765;mircea_popescu;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/search?q=amd+turd << ok this is beautiful. nice work stan!
1841057;1534097825;asciilifeform;i've a irc bot also, but currently just short of working, connection drops
1841058;1534097838;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-12#1841012 << this, seems good as it is tbh. let the republican style development work, if anyone for some reason needs, the anyone asks by explaining the reason and we see.
1841059;1534097838;a111;Logged on 2018-08-12 00:11 trinque: if all it does is cough up the link to search, wouldn't really need an API
1841060;1534097855;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform connection's been shit, i suspect they're "fighting spam"
1841061;1534097866;asciilifeform;it's a regged luser & all
1841062;1534097915;mircea_popescu;even so.
1841063;1534097925;mircea_popescu;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/search?q=bitcoin << very probably some "platform" or other, keybase ?
1841064;1534097951;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they're in order of submission, so the top MB or so is ssl certolade, the rest -- sks
1841065;1534097976;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-12#1841029 << wouldn't it be better to get mechanicals for this actually ?
1841066;1534097976;a111;Logged on 2018-08-12 15:20 asciilifeform: mechanical disks would actually suffice, for this purpose.
1841067;1534097985;asciilifeform;it would
1841068;1534097990;asciilifeform;4 fat ones.
1841069;1534098055;mircea_popescu;what am i agreeing with here ? yes i agree pizarro should have on hand a dozen of each type of disk it uses, at the least. and yes as per ancient http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1825188 it seems a good move for it.
1841070;1534098055;a111;Logged on 2018-06-13 21:44 mircea_popescu: "get the rigging match the wind".
1841071;1534098065;mircea_popescu;or else yes i agree s.nsa can afford more drives if it wants them
1841072;1534098070;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this box dun belong to pizarro, recall
1841073;1534098072;asciilifeform;it's ours
1841074;1534098079;asciilifeform;so we're the ones provisioning disks
1841075;1534098100;mircea_popescu;aleright, so then tell me this, why is our box provisioned in such a way you ran out of space ?
1841076;1534098127;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: erry box is doomed to one day run out of space
1841077;1534098151;asciilifeform;when i provisioned the boxes, eater operated at ~10 units / sec, instead of 150 .
1841078;1534098156;mircea_popescu;never saw this wonder. but anyway, you want basically to keep a 4ssd raid cluster for speed and add a mechanical on usb ?
1841079;1534098164;asciilifeform;( and there was nobody to collect all of ipv4's ssl etc )
1841080;1534098166;mircea_popescu;wouldn't it be better to have 3ssd raid and the mechanical inside ?
1841081;1534098184;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: primary dulap has 4 holes, all fulla ssd ; spare dulap has 4 empty holes
1841082;1534098189;asciilifeform;usb suggested as stopgap
1841083;1534098203;asciilifeform;and there is not an 'inside' in either
1841084;1534098211;mircea_popescu;alright, so basically you want to make the spare into a dumb disk box ? isn't that a waste of board ?
1841085;1534098241;asciilifeform;not necessarily waste of board ; could rent out space to l1 folx .
1841086;1534098335;mircea_popescu;i'm not strictly against the configuration, put four large disks on it w/e. see what pizarro says too, but i'm amenable.
1841087;1534098351;asciilifeform;mod6 et al ^
1841088;1534098356;mircea_popescu;do we actually own that spare too ? iirc we did sell them something.
1841089;1534098367;asciilifeform;we own 1 spare .
1841090;1534098380;asciilifeform;( sold s.mg spare . )
1841091;1534098387;mod6;yeah, this ^
1841092;1534098406;mircea_popescu;ah ok. anyway, if you get spinners, don't get 1tb bs. get 2 or 4 or even 8
1841093;1534098434;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-12#1841047 << ok, but i mean, can't have phuctor grind to a stop because of it neh ?
1841094;1534098434;a111;Logged on 2018-08-12 17:09 mod6: Sincen we only have ~one~ spare remaining on hand until we get our other drive shipments, I kinda wanna hang on to the foundation
1841095;1534098449;mircea_popescu;anyway, ima go take hussy uphill for a spell, bb in a few hours.
1841096;1534098456;asciilifeform;10tb mech disks are ~400bux where i sit
1841097;1534098525;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/meet-miss-piggy/ << Trilema - Meet Miss Piggy
1841098;1534098542;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: depending on how long it takes to get disks, we can do what i suggested a while back ( but for some reason can't dig up, in l0gz) where we trade space for time, and run on randomized subsets of the db continuously
1841099;1534098573;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-12#1841047 << ok, but i mean, can't have phuctor grind to a stop because of it neh ? << If it's critical, it's critical, and will sell disk to S.NSA.
1841100;1534098573;a111;Logged on 2018-08-12 17:09 mod6: Sincen we only have ~one~ spare remaining on hand until we get our other drive shipments, I kinda wanna hang on to the foundation
1841101;1534098607;asciilifeform;i had this knob on the implementation conveyor regardless, because of a certain peculiarity of bernstein's algo which i noticed, where if there is an even multiple of any given factor present in the whole, it will not get found
1841102;1534098658;asciilifeform;( hence why the debian collection gets run in two steps, 'p's' then 'q's' )
1841103;1534098752;mod6;asciilifeform: anyway, think it over.  let me know.
1841104;1534098767;mod6;we are trying to get more drives down there, as you know.  but could be a while until we have any spares at all.
1841105;1534098791;mod6;(spare drives, that is -- which could put is in a pretty bad position if it comes to it)
1841106;1534098830;asciilifeform;mod6: drive shortage will have to be cured ; if i gotta fly with crate of disks, even.
1841107;1534098869;mod6;agree.
1841108;1534098882;mod6;but, VAT.
1841109;1534098883;asciilifeform;mod6: what's the latest on ben_vulpes's disks misadventure ?
1841110;1534098914;mod6;i dunno, I just put in a checkin with him in #pizarro to see about the refund.  best case, he got the refund and can ship more drives, perhaps today even.
1841111;1534098936;mod6;BingoBoingo should be ordering drives within a day or so from the btc I sent him on friday.
1841112;1534098946;mod6;But could be a month out, at best.
1841113;1534098963;mod6;Maybe sooner, depending.  BingoBoingo is sending his expidited.
1841114;1534098964;asciilifeform;!Q later tell ben_vulpes plox to give mircea_popescu & asciilifeform a quote for getting 5 10TB mech disks of reasonable quality to BingoBoingostan
1841115;1534098964;lobbesbot;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1841116;1534099029;mod6;So what you're thinking is that instaed of the 5 EVO 1tb ssd's that we were supposed to get for S.MG, he'd send 5 10Tb disks for S.NSA instead?
1841117;1534099048;asciilifeform;!Q later tell BingoBoingo plz lemme know re the 1 mech disk in the bilge ( whose is it ? and what size ? and can fit in the snake ? )
1841118;1534099049;lobbesbot;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1841119;1534099063;asciilifeform;mod6: that's what i was thinking
1841120;1534099090;mod6;Well, it could work.  But then the drives that BingoBoingo is ordering must go to S.MG's UY3.
1841121;1534099095;asciilifeform;right
1841122;1534099119;mod6;And then we still have no spares until BingoBoingo can place another order.  Which I'm fine with, but still leaves us kinda in a sticky spot.
1841123;1534099139;mod6;I'm reluctant to order more drives back to back until we can confirm we can actually receive a shipment.
1841124;1534099154;mod6;(otherwise would just throw him more funds to place a second order immediately)
1841125;1534099250;mod6;Let's think on it anyway.  I guess worst case, BingoBoingo could take a day trip to BSAS and buy some drives.
1841126;1534099266;mod6;Or maybe we can see if mthreat wants to ferry over a few.
1841127;1534099284;asciilifeform;iirc mthread went awol aeons ago
1841128;1534099298;mod6;Yeah, just throwin it out there.
1841129;1534099343;mod6;Anyway, your idea sounds like a plan.  But can S.NSA live without the mechanical 10Tb spinners for a month?
1841130;1534099362;mod6;(guessing it would take somewhere around that amount of time for the shipment to complete from ben_vulpes)
1841131;1534099388;asciilifeform;mod6 can, either via http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-12#1841098 , or disk on snake ( if BingoBoingo turns one up )
1841132;1534099388;a111;Logged on 2018-08-12 18:29 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: depending on how long it takes to get disks, we can do what i suggested a while back ( but for some reason can't dig up, in l0gz) where we trade space for time, and run on randomized subsets of the db continuously
1841133;1534099416;mod6;Ok then.
1841134;1534099457;mod6;!Qcalc 1500/6200
1841135;1534099457;lobbesbot;mod6: 0.241935483871
1841136;1534099504;mod6;!Qcalc 1411/6200
1841137;1534099504;lobbesbot;mod6: 0.227580645161
1841138;1534099526;mod6;We're right under the threshold here.
1841139;1534099778;mod6;!Qcalc 1500/5800
1841140;1534099778;lobbesbot;mod6: 0.258620689655
1841141;1534099909;mod6;!Qcalc (0.23437500+.1)*5800
1841142;1534099909;lobbesbot;mod6: 1939.375
1841143;1534099916;mod6;that'll do it then.
1841144;1534099926;mod6;!!pay BingoBoingo .1
1841145;1534099931;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/CZZ3I/?raw=true
1841146;1534100202;mod6;!!v 37B3B34DF2780C02556CD2B45DA8B9D33786C7E3D6CF33E7A9CA71D0D1162A75
1841147;1534100205;deedbot;mod6 paid BingoBoingo .1
1841148;1534100208;mod6;!!ledger
1841149;1534100212;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/gSTaW/?raw=true
1841150;1534100255;mod6;So for the record, the total BTC amount for the BingoBoingo SSD order is: 0.33437500
1841151;1534100298;mod6;Whatever we don't spend will be returned to Pizarro, or I suppose can be held in fiat if need be.
1841152;1534100318;mod6;!Qcalc 0.23437500+.1
1841153;1534100319;lobbesbot;mod6: 0.334375
1841154;1534101495;mod6;ok got a few chores to do here quick, bbs.
1841155;1534102525;*;asciilifeform bbl,meat
1841156;1534104322;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-12#1841101 << err, even ~power~
1841157;1534104322;a111;Logged on 2018-08-12 18:30 asciilifeform: i had this knob on the implementation conveyor regardless, because of a certain peculiarity of bernstein's algo which i noticed, where if there is an even multiple of any given factor present in the whole, it will not get found
1841158;1534104335;asciilifeform;not multiple , sorry
1841159;1534105340;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform really, i wouldn't put that much finnicking into it.
1841160;1534105348;mircea_popescu;so it waits a finite interval for disks, not end of worl.d
1841161;1534105407;mircea_popescu;in other fucking lulz, check out usg.freenode : http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-08-12.log.html#t20:01:43
1841162;1534105408;lobbesbot;Logged on 2018-08-12 20:01:43: *** Joins: adamg (~adamg@171.240.3.192)
1841163;1534105434;mircea_popescu;they actually patched their ircd to sed 's/spam//'
1841164;1534106535;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the even powers thing is a real effect tho, it's why we still occasionally get 'mod phuctored! factors : 3' etc
1841165;1534109451;BingoBoingo;<mod6> Let's think on it anyway.  I guess worst case, BingoBoingo could take a day trip to BSAS and buy some drives. << They aren't cheaper over there
1841166;1534110898;mod6;ok noted.
1841167;1534114857;lobbes;http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/07/auctionbot-eta-and-status-report/#selection-71.0-71.11 << update: I have completed a successful test run of an external .py script communicating on IRC via logbot and the listen/notify mechanisms of postgres. Best part is that I've got a solid foundation for bot command handling as a result of the testing. Blog post soon on the details of playing 'ping-pong' with logbot and postgres as the paddle
1841168;1534116345;asciilifeform;buncha phuctor output, btw, in #asciilifeform , and prolly will through the night
1841169;1534116399;asciilifeform;or hm, possibly this is it.
1841170;1534116403;asciilifeform;( from parcel1 )
1841171;1534116750;asciilifeform;pretty modest haul.
1841172;1534116765;asciilifeform;( for 26707136 mods )
1841173;1534116842;*;asciilifeform suspects http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-07#1612157 effect
1841174;1534116842;a111;Logged on 2017-02-07 18:49 asciilifeform: hanbot: conceivably, a sabotaged generator that yields 2**32 possible keys, will result in ~0 natural collisions, and remain invisible to phuctor unless i first find it via some other means.
1841175;1534116922;asciilifeform;( possibly ought to be http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-02#1533642 link )
1841176;1534116922;a111;Logged on 2016-09-02 18:26 asciilifeform: well other working hypothesis is that it is ~not~ tiny fraction, but a tip of the 'birthday theorem' iceberg.
1841177;1534117065;asciilifeform;the huawei crapola, for instance, i'm quite convinced at this point would be 100% breakable if anybody got hold of a unit and forced it to generate keys 24/7 for a coupla months
1841178;1534117077;asciilifeform;( on 'clean' boot naturally , each time )
1841179;1534117085;asciilifeform;ditto mikrotik etc
1841180;1534117191;BingoBoingo;A lol in the spew: "deedbot> http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/23B2173C2FF1A9C43007D526720EA2B9EC1CB4AC21503429ACFBA1DA022517B3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 3 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'James Bottomley <jejb@kernel.org>; James Bottomley <JBottomley@Odin.com>; James Bottomley <JBottomley@Parallels.com>; James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>; '"
1841181;1534117197;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: old
1841182;1534117201;asciilifeform;see #a log
1841183;1534117277;BingoBoingo;I'll have to start reading the phuctor chunks from the bottom up
1841184;1534117279;asciilifeform;was optimizing rss crapper so that it doesn't idiotically do whole cpu/hour of work each time cache expires, evidently introduced a sad where a new find of $factor triggers old mods as report
1841185;1534117288;asciilifeform;( old mods containing same )
1841186;1534117295;asciilifeform;the actual count of new factors found, was 28 .
1841187;1534118932;asciilifeform;next we will see what , if anything, happens when we run on a ~random 3%~ subset of whole collection.
1841188;1534123437;asciilifeform;ok, output is happening. up side : there's output, that there was not before. down side : so far all of it is small change crapolade. i'ma really have to do a mod-by-mod walk and gcd(mod, 8192bit primorial from oldthread) . and henceforth on submission. cuz this is lame.
1841189;1534123457;asciilifeform;'this is divisible by 3' should not be news.
1841190;1534123569;asciilifeform;and nobody fucking cares that 'there are 2 moduli divisible by 1547665'. aint prime.
1841191;1534123900;asciilifeform;what i'ma end up doing, is to factor all of the small composites, remove'em from db, enter the factors instead, and henceforth never enter composites into factor table.
1841192;1534123973;asciilifeform;( and omit 'new small factor for known rubbish mod' from rss, nobody particularly needs to 'see the rubble bounce' )
1841193;1534124207;*;asciilifeform bbl
1841194;1534169137;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in heathendom lulz, https://archive.is/U1Ar5 + https://archive.is/RTBp0 >> fritzcore in 'via' (industrial x86 clone) publicly raped
1841195;1534171635;BingoBoingo;And now the botters are dropping asciiartforms in channels
1841196;1534172819;asciilifeform;lolwhere
1841197;1534172907;Mocky;#eulora for one. personally i thought the asciiart dick bird dunking a basketball was a bit much but hey
1841198;1534175025;BingoBoingo;That's where I saw it
1841199;1534175135;Mocky;wow, there's a wikipedia page for the number 50,000 "50,000 (fifty thousand) is the natural number that comes after 49,999 and before 50,001. It is a round number." marginal accuracy achieved thru absolute irrelevance
1841200;1534175709;asciilifeform;http://logs.bvulpes.com/eulora?d=2018-8-13#413353 << lol!!
1841201;1534175709;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-08-13 10:59 myth0d17: sun is not doing Allah is doing
1841202;1534175758;asciilifeform;http://logs.bvulpes.com/eulora?d=2018-8-13#413379 << how to argue with this!111
1841203;1534175758;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-08-13 11:00 myth0d17: filesystem does not write without permission of allah
1841204;1534175937;Mocky;check the file permissions?
1841205;1534178830;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/08/gullible-finnish-man-gave-4-figure-bitcoin-fortune-to-thai-men-in-2017/ << Qntra - Gullible Finnish Man Gave 4 Figure Bitcoin Fortune To Thai Men, In 2017!
1841206;1534178897;mircea_popescu;lulzy
1841207;1534178971;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-12#1841177 << this is actually quite likely, on what we've seen so far.
1841208;1534178971;a111;Logged on 2018-08-12 23:37 asciilifeform: the huawei crapola, for instance, i'm quite convinced at this point would be 100% breakable if anybody got hold of a unit and forced it to generate keys 24/7 for a coupla months
1841209;1534179004;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-12#1841182 << what's the link for that ? seeing how it's new.
1841210;1534179004;a111;Logged on 2018-08-12 23:40 asciilifeform: see #a log
1841211;1534179011;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not only it, but just about surely the other recurrent idjiocies in the zoo ( http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/factors )
1841212;1534179056;trinque;mircea_popescu: http://logs.bvulpes.com/asciilifeform
1841213;1534179060;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-13#1841191 << good idea.
1841214;1534179060;a111;Logged on 2018-08-13 01:31 asciilifeform: what i'ma end up doing, is to factor all of the small composites, remove'em from db, enter the factors instead, and henceforth never enter composites into factor table.
1841215;1534179062;mircea_popescu;ty trinque
1841216;1534179070;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: subj is detailed further down in #t log from the night
1841217;1534179103;mircea_popescu;ountryName CN stateOrProvinceName GZ localityName SZ organizationName TPLINK commonName SMB SN 3860 expires 2022-08-08; ' << this coulda been formatted better.
1841218;1534179123;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc it is raw crapola straight from the sslolade
1841219;1534179131;mircea_popescu;yes.
1841220;1534179142;asciilifeform;( snarfed up by mats, he has not detailed the exact methodology of yet )
1841221;1534179142;mircea_popescu;anyway, trhere's definitely output huh.
1841222;1534179179;asciilifeform;tbh i expected a bit moar output, from 27mil keyz
1841223;1534179196;asciilifeform;( there's ~350mil left to go )
1841224;1534179197;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-13#1841199 << i'd say that's a typical offering. there's similar pages on ~every small town in the woods, and on the basis of this mass then there's ~entirely similar~ articles on elite topics.
1841225;1534179197;a111;Logged on 2018-08-13 15:45 Mocky: wow, there's a wikipedia page for the number 50,000 "50,000 (fifty thousand) is the natural number that comes after 49,999 and before 50,001. It is a round number." marginal accuracy achieved thru absolute irrelevance
1841226;1534179275;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: about a decade ago, i bought, on a lark, a keychain thing that claimed to contain all of the text of the then-pediwikia, and had 'random' button. ~99+% of presses of this button, resulted in 'flyshit, montana'-type nowhere-village article.
1841227;1534179279;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-13#1841194 << oh ye olde c3s huh. lulzy.
1841228;1534179279;a111;Logged on 2018-08-13 14:05 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in heathendom lulz, https://archive.is/U1Ar5 + https://archive.is/RTBp0 >> fritzcore in 'via' (industrial x86 clone) publicly raped
1841229;1534179327;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform fundamental misunderstanding of what an encyclopedia is. pro tip : d'alembert's item was an ~elite~ retelling of the world. the mass retelling of the world isn't a retelling, isn't of the world, and interests as much as any other fly metabolism byproducts.
1841230;1534179369;asciilifeform;even 'большая советская энциклопедия' was closer to d'alembert's item, than pedi
1841231;1534179400;asciilifeform;( veeery selective, and consistent, and on technical matters entirely passable, i oughta note )
1841232;1534179417;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/RTBp0/08c6a025426c09e313ab4e9b30f20f7a1719b6b6.gif << the fucking sad of the github bound. they're stuck doing animated gifs of "how to use this" because the video processors masquerading as "users" that click on the page literally lack the literacy to use anything written.
1841233;1534179463;asciilifeform;lol vi film
1841234;1534179472;mircea_popescu;call yourself "deltaop" and scroll the thing to where it flashes "unlock the backdoor".
1841235;1534179482;mircea_popescu;that's how they did it in that movie.
1841236;1534179496;*;asciilifeform didn't initially notice, i have these switched off on the box where read the lul
1841237;1534179579;mircea_popescu;"F-15 "pilots kept plane out of harms way and people on ground safe," the sheriff's office tweeted."
1841238;1534179580;mircea_popescu;epic.
1841239;1534179609;asciilifeform;re the ssl keyz, mats gave me a 1.1TB massive raw shitball of the whole shebang, potentially can reindex later.
1841240;1534179646;mircea_popescu;yeah. not the end of the world, mostly making the point that people rarely get the text right. "oh, i didn't realise what this was gonna do" sorta thing
1841241;1534179670;asciilifeform;re f15 -- i'm at a loss for why the seekrecy re the shooting of the thing
1841242;1534179697;mircea_popescu;"you mean some text is going to be repeated billions of times and referenced as such from here to eternity ? damn."
1841243;1534179735;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform because the use of violence is a serious problem in the swamp. there's a reason dogvomit doesn't launch rockets, you understand ? not that "couldn't", but that out of uniform.
1841244;1534179762;asciilifeform;( american highway police routinely shoot at getaway cars, creating massive pileup wreckage, is considered unremarkable )
1841245;1534179883;asciilifeform;hm, i suppose 1 possible theory, 'flying police' shot without Official order
1841246;1534179976;BingoBoingo;Well, dude was unhappy with his life and just wanted to do a barrel roll per the transcripts. If they let the shootdown get out they fear a wave of "muh feelz"
1841247;1534179992;asciilifeform;btw, recall mathias rust , landing on red square ? and whole su air defense brass sacked ? in usa, there were no fewer than 3 'rusts' , landed in front of capitol, white house, etc. , 0 shot, also considered almost unremarkable nowadays
1841248;1534180026;Mocky;flying police don't shoot down without permission of Allah
1841249;1534180086;BingoBoingo;Most of those dudes have an ultralight tend strapped to a motor. This dude took a "Real Plane"(TM)(R)
1841250;1534180089;asciilifeform;( btw the m. rust wankage has deep undercurrent of scamola, word is the gorby personally ordered 'not shoot', didn't want his fellating of nato reich disrupted by 'incident', then flunkies took the blame )
1841251;1534181105;mircea_popescu;performative leadership. always same flavour of scamola, the beheading of the "unreliable" priests organised like any other show by the same priesthood that produced the "unreliable" priesthood.
1841252;1534181126;mircea_popescu;if what one wants is "for x to be without needing my involvement", x can only be a road show. what else ?
1841253;1534181157;asciilifeform;whole point of keeping the stable of priests around, neh. responsibility-laundry.
1841254;1534181197;mircea_popescu;the stable of priests isn't kept around.
1841255;1534181245;mircea_popescu;george sanders has an excellent point re this : "for new yorkers who want to go out of town, new haven is a stretch of sidewalk between the taft hotel and the schubert theatre, surrounded by what appears remarkably like a small town".
1841256;1534181282;mircea_popescu;for people who "just wanted to" play vidja in their den or "work on their software dev projects" or whatever, there HAS to be someone putting up the pretense of "small town" surroundingtheir stretch of sidewalk.
1841257;1534181285;mircea_popescu;enter, "america!"
1841258;1534181300;mircea_popescu;that remarkably-like a town background for every jwz's jwzing.
1841259;1534182619;asciilifeform;in upstack lulz, 'The scope of this vulnerability is limited; generations of CPUs after the C3 no longer contain this feature' << aah nobusism
1841260;1534182640;asciilifeform;gotta love these 'no longers'
1841261;1534182745;deedbot;http://ave1.org/2018/gnat-zero-foot-print-take-4-introduction-of-the-platform/ << ave1 - GNAT Zero Foot Print - Take 4 - Introduction of the platform
1841262;1534182757;asciilifeform;oh hey hey hey lbj
1841263;1534183245;mircea_popescu;nice.
1841264;1534183614;diana_coman;nice work ave1
1841265;1534183961;mircea_popescu;spyked "scuză-mă te rog, îs năcăjit rău" ie, "don't hold my bitter lot against me."
1841266;1534183985;mircea_popescu;with the caveat, of course, that one who could express himself in english in that manner instantly raises in the audience the suspicion he should be some kind of king or something.
1841267;1534183992;mircea_popescu;whereas in romanian it just comes naturally, with the language.
1841268;1534184042;mircea_popescu;cue complex joke about gorgo's "spartan women", romanians being born poets and n.d.cocea's poet-poeta.
1841269;1534187859;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in archaeology, https://archive.is/DSMvg >> 'running a couple Mikrotik RB532 routerboards as broadband gateway routers under OpenWRT 10.03.1... ...looks like /dev/random provides no entopy'
1841270;1534191625;asciilifeform;in other old lulz, https://archive.is/HwzIU << notbad danielpbarron
1841271;1534196089;asciilifeform;aaaand http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/faq updated.
1841272;1534199735;BingoBoingo;In other local weird today I learned the locals consider Chinchillas a type of rabbit rather than the rodent they are
1841273;1534201025;asciilifeform;hey, moar of rabbit than guinea pig is pig
1841274;1534201074;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: relatedly, at one point i found out that chinchilla fur hat is banned in usa. ( never learned specifically why )
1841275;1534201134;asciilifeform;( for all i know, competed somehow with long-gone racoon fur market, or the like. kinda how hemp was banned at behest of cotton planters in 19th c )
1841276;1534203383;BingoBoingo;That sounds likely
1841277;1534203410;BingoBoingo;Then again coonskins aren't sold much in the US anymore
1841278;1534203488;BingoBoingo;the hardest part of any fiat job I ever had was when coons came into home depot complaining about coons tearing up their trash
1841279;1534203632;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: air rifle worx
1841280;1534203651;asciilifeform;pffft.
1841281;1534204044;BingoBoingo;Well, the challenge was... Because this was USistania... Not calling the critter the same name the coons were
1841282;1534204052;asciilifeform;ahlol
1841283;1534204057;BingoBoingo;Or after saying coon playing ignorance.
1841284;1534204157;BingoBoingo;Then I come to Uruguay and there's critters picking through trash, but they look like white folk. And these Uruguayos coons act more coon like than the black North American coons.
1841285;1534258881;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in heathendom lulz, https://archive.is/43EIJ >> 'Amid mounting public pressure to address Jones' hate speech, Apple's Tim Cook and Eddy Cue met over the weekend and decided to pull five of Jones' podcasts from their platform'... << 'по просьбе трудящихся'(tm)(r) !
1841286;1534258902;asciilifeform;'Hours after Apple announced its move, Mark Zuckerberg and his team at Facebook made the decision to pull four of Jones' pages' etc.
1841287;1534265390;phf;oh this is beautiful, the new "registered only" restriction on channels means that unless your bouncer auto identifies, you get kicked off the channel
1841288;1534265447;phf;ave1: i've updated zfp with regrind and the latest zfp_3_platform
1841289;1534265697;asciilifeform;in other recent lulz, somebody submitted a http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2FF2BB54467E196A58785C82FC6B74E789ACA48679FF310D31DDFDCD0C934C7C . the item in the username corresponds to http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/03C39D10AC31A5845BE14895E18743165B7BA74E71D3D4A0D62710232203DAC3 . but the N of the former does not divide the M of the latter ( dunno whether the submitter thought that it does ? or what specifically he was tryin
1841290;1534265698;asciilifeform;g to accomplish. )
1841291;1534265808;asciilifeform;my best guess is that somebody was testing a (buggy) submitter.
1841292;1534265977;asciilifeform;phf: mircea_popescu specificially switched on +r to cut down on spamola, see http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-04#1839441 thrd
1841293;1534265977;a111;Logged on 2018-08-04 20:51 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu sets mode +r #trilema << RIP from_xxxx users...
1841294;1534265986;asciilifeform;( so far -- worked )
1841295;1534266016;asciilifeform;interestingly, #asciilifeform still spam-free despite no +r , evidently the spam folx are using a hardcoded list of chans that dun include it yet
1841296;1534266143;asciilifeform;phf: what were the inputs for the regrind ? seems like i missed something on ave1's www
1841297;1534266196;phf;asciilifeform: i saw it, i'm pointing out that this addition breaks things. you have to make sure that every single client plays along with freenode's defective ident system, otherwise you get breaks in logs, etc. e.g. phf bouncer is used as a fallback for logs, to ensure continuity, where the fact that the bouncer would come back naively (i.e. without trying to negotiate with nickserv) was a feature
1841298;1534266275;asciilifeform;phf: i dun get it, my bouncer worx ( i.e. the user fleanode sees, is registered )
1841299;1534266298;phf;asciilifeform: you bouncer autoidentifies with fleanode then
1841300;1534266303;asciilifeform;aha
1841301;1534266376;phf;but that doesn't always work (for fundamental reasons of non-synchronized protocol), so i have it entirely disabled on mine. i'll add it back, but there's going to be an event X sometime in the feature, where both bot and bouncer failed to come back, resulting in log break. with previous configuration that was less likely
1841302;1534266423;asciilifeform;prolly the Right Thing would be to have the actual logtrons ( phf's, ben_vulpes's , Framedragger's if he were still alive , etc ) sync to one another as fallback
1841303;1534266519;asciilifeform;i suspect that fleanode will only get moar broken as time marches on, never less.
1841304;1534266521;phf;nah, makes no difference in this particular situation. you want your thing to come back by any means necessary to continue witnessing. as of now "coming back" is a much more complicated process
1841305;1534266572;asciilifeform;how does it make no diff ? if the logtrons were synced, then if even 1 is alive, the continuity is maintained
1841306;1534266590;phf;asciilifeform: for the scenario i'm describing it makes no difference
1841307;1534266607;phf;yes, for the general reliability it's an improvement.
1841308;1534266667;phf;in the simplest case joining a channel is a send-only process. can theoretically fully ignore what the server is saying and still get a successful join. not so when you have to negotiate with nickserv (at the very least need to time it right, so that you send you privmsg after the connection has been established, which is almost entirely "organic" process)
1841309;1534266693;phf;so +r drops the reliability of all logtrons
1841310;1534266750;asciilifeform;phf: have you found that actual gap already happened somewhere ? ( if it did -- i missed )
1841311;1534266758;phf;yes.
1841312;1534266771;asciilifeform;plox to note where, ftr ?
1841313;1534266806;asciilifeform;( i.e. can point to material in e.g. ben_vulpes's logtron, that is currently missing from phf 's ?? )
1841314;1534266834;phf;i get it, but i haven't done investigation
1841315;1534266868;asciilifeform;phf: i mean, this is a 'hole in the boat bottom'-level item, so imho oughta show if you find.
1841316;1534266982;phf;well, i've seen lines missing during netsplits, which i suppose is not this critical. i suspect ben_vulpes's logbot doesn't have a fallback mechanism, so when it drops there's the reconnect window, which i suspect i could find one or two with missing one or two lines. ben_vulpes will have to speak for himself though.
1841317;1534267029;asciilifeform;would be handy if the 2 logtrons could at least output raw data that one could diff in cmdline
1841318;1534267036;asciilifeform;( not even speaking of writable sync )
1841319;1534267051;asciilifeform;then could answer this q mechanically, in about 20 sec
1841320;1534267070;phf;btcbase already does that, internally. i've offered people in the past a feed (since i don't want that service to be abused), but i don't think anyone expressed interest
1841321;1534267120;asciilifeform;a url that one can GET and puts out e.g. last 500kB of raw log, isn't so much moar abusable than the ordinary formatted feed imho
1841322;1534267145;phf;asciilifeform: that's an idle request
1841323;1534267152;asciilifeform;how's that
1841324;1534267213;phf;to close upstack before it gets lost, you need http://ave1.org/2018/gnat-zero-foot-print-take-4-introduction-of-the-platform/ and http://ave1.org/2018/gnat-zero-foot-print-take-3-regrind/ the later is a full regrind (which i also didn't notice until btcbase failed to link 4 to rest)
1841325;1534267255;asciilifeform;phf: http://ave1.org/2018/gnat-zero-foot-print-take-3-regrind/ is the one i missed, ty
1841326;1534267267;asciilifeform;!#s http://ave1.org/2018/gnat-zero-foot-print-take-3-regrind/
1841327;1534267267;a111;2 results for "http://ave1.org/2018/gnat-zero-foot-print-take-3-regrind/", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=http%3A%2F%2Fave1.org%2F2018%2Fgnat-zero-foot-print-take-3-regrind%2F
1841328;1534267300;asciilifeform;http://logs.bvulpes.com/search?q=http%3A%2F%2Fave1.org%2F2018%2Fgnat-zero-foot-print-take-3-regrind%2F&c=trilema << missing from ben_vulpes's log also
1841329;1534267312;asciilifeform;i suspect it was deedbot hiccup, rather than phf's logtron, in this case
1841330;1534267490;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-12#1450437 http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-11#1450068
1841331;1534267490;a111;Logged on 2016-04-12 14:12 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-11#1450068 << http://btcbase.org/log-raw/
1841332;1534267490;a111;Logged on 2016-04-11 09:50 mircea_popescu: incidentally phf is there a log bundle for download somewhere ?
1841333;1534267490;phf; 
1841334;1534267564;asciilifeform;oh neato
1841335;1534267583;asciilifeform;nao lessee if ben_vulpes has one. then can diff.
1841336;1534267622;phf;this follows ye old kako format, in fact the pre-trilema files are kako's
1841337;1534267661;asciilifeform;i expect there'll be spots where a thing is 1 or 2 places out of order ( fleanode does not reliably preserve same-millisecond ordering iirc ) but aside from that oughta be diffable afaik
1841338;1534267727;phf;...
1841339;1534267762;phf;there's no timestamp information in irc protocol. the time is whenever the client received it
1841340;1534267775;asciilifeform;right, would have to subtract those prior to diff.
1841341;1534267810;phf;also kako's format includes a unique id as the first field, obviously will also need to be removed
1841342;1534267836;asciilifeform;aha
1841343;1534267863;asciilifeform;unless i'm thick, after subtracting those 2 fields, can diff.
1841344;1534267867;phf;we've had this conversation long time ago, that irc loging is a purely gossip-like thing. at best you can say that "a111 received this message at such and such time, was claimed to be from X"
1841345;1534267874;asciilifeform;right
1841346;1534267923;asciilifeform;theoretically errybody oughta have seen the same lines tho (even if not always in exact order)
1841347;1534267938;phf;unless there's netsplit
1841348;1534267943;asciilifeform;aha
1841349;1534267959;asciilifeform;i do not recall what ben_vulpes does re netsplits
1841350;1534267970;phf;and things become tricky when bot gets kicked off for whatever reason
1841351;1534268054;phf;i mean to do reliable logging you need to track the whois "on server", and spawn 2 bots per server, which then all negotiate a single consensus message to promote to canonical "this is what was said"
1841352;1534268106;asciilifeform;would prolly also need logic to force the 2 to connect via different fleanode boxen etc
1841353;1534268114;phf;i'm pretty sure we had pocket conversations during netsplits, that none of the bots heard
1841354;1534268146;asciilifeform;i'm quite convinced that this happened, and that it explains various cases of 'we DID this but wtf it aint in the logs'
1841355;1534268177;phf;asciilifeform: you missed what i said. whois tells you which server user connects through. to prevent a netsplit scenario, you have to connect to every one of those boxes with at least one bot, but better yet n+1
1841356;1534268184;asciilifeform;aaa
1841357;1534268190;asciilifeform;ok i get.
1841358;1534268206;phf;asciilifeform is/was on server karatkievich.freenode.net (Montreal, CA), phf is/was on server card.freenode.net (Washington, DC, US) etc.
1841359;1534268223;asciilifeform;iirc mine is still set to rotate through a couple
1841360;1534268224;asciilifeform;but yes
1841361;1534268262;asciilifeform;( my fiber here bumps 1ce or 2ce / yr, so in practice there's very little rotation on my end )
1841362;1534268347;phf;i mean, your bots gotta exist in a distributed pool, each does a whois on join, negotiates a spawn of a new bot if there's an untracked connection. of course this is an unreasonable amount of engineering for a logbot
1841363;1534268440;asciilifeform;phf: approx similar to the sweat reqd to build own fleanode, aha
1841364;1534268478;phf;own freenode comes with a neat feature of logger on relay
1841365;1534268603;phf;and you start getting freenode/gossip overlaps, e.g. each l1 could run own fleanode, connect server-to-server, etc.
1841366;1534268607;*;trinque figures there's some phrase in russian that means roughly "complexity accumulated in bureau A because not permitted/unwilling to change how bureau B works"
1841367;1534268611;asciilifeform;my understanding was that mircea_popescu refrained from giving signal 'build us a fleanode' in the past on acct of (but not limited to) the reason where heathens (e.g. fetgurlz) would have difficulty visiting . but we already have the +r hoop for them to jump, i dun see how much worse would be own fleanode.
1841368;1534268645;asciilifeform;trinque: that's more or less ~all~ software complexities.
1841369;1534268652;trinque;sure is.
1841370;1534268654;asciilifeform;iron, too.
1841371;1534268665;asciilifeform;'these here 15,000 transistors are because we gotta talk to pci bus' etc
1841372;1534268695;asciilifeform;yer comp consists ~99++% by weight of this bureaucracy.
1841373;1534268824;asciilifeform;this is sorta why e.g. FUCKGOATS runs on 40 milliwatt ( of which 95% are lost as heat in the 10x-margined analogue pwr filtration in the daughterboards) whereas pc burns 100watt if were doing same work, etc
1841374;1534268880;phf;trinque: nothing comes to mind, though i'm sure there's gotta be something in 70s su phrase book. we gotta ask rotakus though, that seems more of their thing (plus they would've had much better luck saying stuff like that, might've been too close to home in SU)
1841375;1534272864;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/08/joe-stacking-takes-off-with-2-incidents-in-recent-days/ << Qntra - Joe Stacking Takes Off With 2 Incidents In Recent Days
1841376;1534275801;*;mircea_popescu has wiped the windows10 off a hp "envy". jesus fuck, anyone had ANY FUCKING IDEA just how many times you gotta reboot and bless the box to get through the lock microshit put on the boot process ?!
1841377;1534275821;mircea_popescu;there's like three intermediate states, progress by degrees.
1841378;1534275853;asciilifeform;oh hah the 'secure boot' lulz
1841379;1534275864;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: at least you found box where it ~has~ the off switch
1841380;1534275870;asciilifeform;increasingly they dun have one at all
1841381;1534275900;mircea_popescu;i didn't search, just what happened ot pick up.
1841382;1534275910;mircea_popescu;i was about to take screwdrivers to it tbh.
1841383;1534275961;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but as far as it was concerned, i suspect it also "didn't have" the switch. you should see wtf windows has morphed into, jesus christ.
1841384;1534275970;mircea_popescu;do you realise it literally spams you with advertisements during usage ?
1841385;1534275982;mircea_popescu;"hey, it seems like you're copying a lot of files, would you like to buy this or that ?"
1841386;1534275995;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the new biosen are lulzy also, often they have tcp stack nao, and read file system , and even show spam in the setup
1841387;1534276007;mircea_popescu;EXACTLY like shitty cellphone service, "hey, you just placed a call, we'll send spam sms 10 minutes later, so you think it's the op and look"
1841388;1534276054;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform anyway, the "setup" page consisted of, i kid you not, 20 word "descriptions" of the various items and links to "read more" ie ON THE FUCKING WEB. no knobs.
1841389;1534276082;mircea_popescu;it was an eye widening experience for yours, truly.
1841390;1534276090;asciilifeform;re screwdriver, typically with newer shitboxen there is nothing even to do inside, only win from taking it apart is to help fit into rubbish bin
1841391;1534276132;mircea_popescu;but anyway, let the record reflect i did do it. and THEN had to conjure up wireless driver, because holy shit it comes with an unknown pos atop the realtek.
1841392;1534276136;asciilifeform;( e.g. in the sad saga of http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2433 )
1841393;1534276167;mircea_popescu;first time ever i had to compile wireless drivers.
1841394;1534276229;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: at this point this is a decade-long pestilence, even asciilifeform's x60 (circa 2009, iirc) terraforming recipe includes patching bios to permit hand-installed nic to work , followed by installation of same
1841395;1534276243;asciilifeform;( mine eneded up with an atheros card iirc )
1841396;1534276247;mircea_popescu;^
1841397;1534276250;mircea_popescu;precisely. wtf is that ?!
1841398;1534276266;asciilifeform;they tend to include intel's , for which to this day no driver
1841399;1534276284;mircea_popescu;item has intel sound, haven't bothered with.
1841400;1534276298;asciilifeform;why even sound on a lappy, lol
1841401;1534276313;asciilifeform;but intel's soundcard is unremarkable iirc and worx even in 2.4 kernel
1841402;1534276401;asciilifeform;( http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-03#1421281 << x60 thread ftr )
1841403;1534276401;a111;Logged on 2016-03-03 20:46 asciilifeform: i eventually put back the heathen bios on the x60, BUT i ida'd it and nop'd out the imbecile nic whitelist
1841404;1534276401;mircea_popescu;i dunno, to watch ashley lane walk around town ?
1841405;1534276437;asciilifeform;i guess i have simple tastes , dun particularly need to hear the cuntlips schlick
1841406;1534276450;mircea_popescu;item is actually very pleasant, from a purely visual perspective. stupid-ish kbd, but large and light. fits perfectly on ass of girl holding her ankless so you can hurt her asshole while you lovingly kiss another.
1841407;1534276478;mircea_popescu;assemblage can be drastically improved by placing laptop atop her ass, playing publicdisgrace.com. bring the light of the great urban outdoors in the dank of the cellar.
1841408;1534276479;asciilifeform;this isn't same box as had the sad backlight is it
1841409;1534276487;mircea_popescu;nah.
1841410;1534276502;asciilifeform;( iirc that one was also a fiorina creation )
1841411;1534276502;mircea_popescu;recent item, made last year or such.
1841412;1534276512;BingoBoingo;Ah, a long tale of the new recruit's lappy
1841413;1534276569;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo it will please you to know your name having been mentioned in passing in aside conversation, it proved remarkably enough to now denote the evil of internet boys among the new recruits.
1841414;1534276576;mircea_popescu;THEYRE GONNA FUCKING SHOW YOU!
1841415;1534276657;BingoBoingo;Lol
1841416;1534276660;diana_coman;ahahah, kid peeked in and red "bongo!"
1841417;1534276664;diana_coman;so yes, it catches the eye
1841418;1534276677;mircea_popescu;ikr ?
1841419;1534276686;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo who do you think you are, anyways!
1841420;1534276691;diana_coman;re laptop, I can say I carry around one that still has the windowssomething label, what of it
1841421;1534276704;mircea_popescu;diana_coman what do you mean label ?
1841422;1534276708;diana_coman;some sticker?
1841423;1534276710;asciilifeform;the little sticker ?
1841424;1534276714;asciilifeform;i like to put'em on public toilets
1841425;1534276714;diana_coman;asciilifeform, yes!
1841426;1534276720;mircea_popescu;sooo... ? what about it ? lol
1841427;1534276755;diana_coman;eh, it is a sort of public toilet
1841428;1534276759;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform anyway, re tastes, you've not seen any of this "interview" bs. it's fucking comedy central, watching solo/girl-girl models talk to each other.
1841429;1534276764;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, it has otherwise gentoo, no problem
1841430;1534276771;diana_coman;no windows boot or whatevers
1841431;1534276780;mircea_popescu;diana_coman did it also have the "uefi" bs ?
1841432;1534276803;asciilifeform;afaik x60 was the ~last lappy without uefiism
1841433;1534276839;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, I think it did but by now I don't even remember for sure re this particular one
1841434;1534276857;asciilifeform;( ftr, in addition to the many other 'wonders', uefi-infected bios will search erry disk for ms-signed turds and execute'em on boot, erry single time )
1841435;1534276861;mircea_popescu;well this is the core of my point! holy shit you sheltered existences, you have nfi what it's even like, out there!
1841436;1534276883;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i know, had to format. let it read ext4, wut.
1841437;1534276889;diana_coman;and at any rate gentoo is only last linux installed, being as it is a public toilet iron of sorts, it got at different points in its life everything on
1841438;1534276932;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: dun fughet to nuke the 'ata hidden partitions' nonsense
1841439;1534276935;BingoBoingo;AH, that's why it still has the sticker
1841440;1534276943;asciilifeform;( typically needs magic code sent via the sata )
1841441;1534276987;mircea_popescu;ima have to check that.
1841442;1534277026;asciilifeform;hdparm -N /dev/sdx
1841443;1534277038;asciilifeform;will show sumthing like  max sectors   = 78125000/78165360, HPA is enabled   if it's there.
1841444;1534277165;mircea_popescu;danke
1841445;1534277247;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-14#1841285 << the sorta shit tim cook has time during weekend for.
1841446;1534277247;a111;Logged on 2018-08-14 15:01 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in heathendom lulz, https://archive.is/43EIJ >> 'Amid mounting public pressure to address Jones' hate speech, Apple's Tim Cook and Eddy Cue met over the weekend and decided to pull five of Jones' podcasts from their platform'... << 'по просьбе трудящихся'(tm)(r) !
1841447;1534277276;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-14#1841287 << yes. fucking retarded.
1841448;1534277276;a111;Logged on 2018-08-14 16:49 phf: oh this is beautiful, the new "registered only" restriction on channels means that unless your bouncer auto identifies, you get kicked off the channel
1841449;1534277300;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: pretty sure it's ~all~ he got time for. well, possibly aside from buggery, and from deciding which connectors and keyboard keys to remove from crapple product next
1841450;1534277337;mircea_popescu;"what do you think of elon musk ? i mean, his ideas ?" "what fucking ideas ?"
1841451;1534277355;asciilifeform;lol ideas
1841452;1534277357;trinque;that "touch bar" thing is the saddest shit. they literally put the stupid watch they made in the laptop.
1841453;1534277376;mircea_popescu;trinque hopefully they put a laptop in the watch next.
1841454;1534277381;trinque;progress!!
1841455;1534277384;asciilifeform;trinque: i can only assume that 'make emacs unrunnable on this' was specific objective
1841456;1534277400;mircea_popescu;end up with a programmable hardware inclusion list on which to run a php ftp emulator.
1841457;1534277443;asciilifeform;trinque: difficult to picture the logic, unless it was deliberate 'coca cola classic' gambit, where it's to be put back later
1841458;1534277458;trinque;the logic is "oooh what a demo, so future"
1841459;1534277480;mircea_popescu;anyway, back to the +r thing... we did get the no j/p spam part. sadly the way this shit works leaves no optimal choice, gotta pick this-or-that. is the idea we... i picked the wrong set ?
1841460;1534277535;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform trinque totally has it, remember who the audience is. http://trilema.com/generatia-fara
1841461;1534277562;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the 1 hole, is that 'generation-fara' dun buy $4k lappy. they buy ipnoje.
1841462;1534277577;mircea_popescu;but their ~employer~ does!
1841463;1534277582;asciilifeform;tru!!
1841464;1534277589;BingoBoingo;Boomers love demos
1841465;1534277603;asciilifeform;'welcome to butugychag, here's yer wheelbarrow, it has only left handle'
1841466;1534277610;mircea_popescu;see ? that's the beauty of it, all these lost fucktards who don't have $50 bucks to pay on my queens fulla jacks, nevertheless, NEVERTHELESS i say, "is very rich"
1841467;1534277615;mircea_popescu;how ? "my rent is so and so".
1841468;1534277716;mircea_popescu;if it doesn't come with a laptop-with-watch-in-it, it's not as PRESTIGIOUS a job. (term of art, from the guy with the vehemently delectable pork sausage)
1841469;1534277747;asciilifeform;lol livery
1841470;1534277755;mircea_popescu;you know ?
1841471;1534277768;asciilifeform;( i'm almost surprised livery-proper hasn't made comeback yet )
1841472;1534277780;mircea_popescu;how "hasn't" ?
1841473;1534277801;mircea_popescu;very much has. company dress code, and they DO all dress very much alike. the differences are superficial.
1841474;1534277805;asciilifeform;well they dun make the programmers wear 'crapple uniform' yet
1841475;1534277807;asciilifeform;( or do they )
1841476;1534277812;mircea_popescu;yes, they do.
1841477;1534277822;mircea_popescu;"in this office, we dress from $scripshop)
1841478;1534277838;mircea_popescu;and we drop our "hard earned" scrip at $bar
1841479;1534277840;mircea_popescu;and we so and so.
1841480;1534277850;asciilifeform;i recall slaving in a galley where the brass handed out 'company shirts', then later saw'em in the kitchen as dishrags
1841481;1534277897;mircea_popescu;you don't understand how "ironic" works. YES the emblazoned tshirts. of course, it's what they're for, channeling this sentiment.
1841482;1534277913;mircea_popescu;but then when same galley hand "team building", all the stupid cunts had the same cut of panties on, you just didn't look.
1841483;1534277939;asciilifeform;entirely possible
1841484;1534277985;mircea_popescu;kinda how this works, best i can tell. "this is the livery for expressing your disdain to livery, and this is the livery to express your dedication to livery, and there you go, a complete experience out of a cardboard breakfast box"
1841485;1534278013;asciilifeform;'company dress code' must be a west-usa thing, asciilifeform went through several slaveries where he was only one not dressed in hobo garb
1841486;1534278058;mircea_popescu;nothing wrong with hobo garb, "shows you care" "about the less fortunate".
1841487;1534278087;asciilifeform;dunno if meant to 'show' anyffing, it's what folx go around in when entirely not giving shit, costs $5
1841488;1534278108;trinque;*conspicuously not giving a shit
1841489;1534278113;asciilifeform;chinese plasticloth
1841490;1534278116;mircea_popescu;or so they think, at any rate.
1841491;1534278193;mircea_popescu;recall, the whole point of propaganda is for you to choose without having to. hence both http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/#selection-419.0-431.38 and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-13#1841255
1841492;1534278193;a111;Logged on 2018-08-13 17:27 mircea_popescu: george sanders has an excellent point re this : "for new yorkers who want to go out of town, new haven is a stretch of sidewalk between the taft hotel and the schubert theatre, surrounded by what appears remarkably like a small town".
1841493;1534278248;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform think about it this way, "ropa americana" ie, 2nd hand clothes imported from the us, are VERY DISTINGUISHABLE in actual not-giving-a-shit places. how would this be, if it carried no information ?
1841494;1534278272;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-14#1841297 << how bad is it ?
1841495;1534278272;a111;Logged on 2018-08-14 17:03 phf: asciilifeform: i saw it, i'm pointing out that this addition breaks things. you have to make sure that every single client plays along with freenode's defective ident system, otherwise you get breaks in logs, etc. e.g. phf bouncer is used as a fallback for logs, to ensure continuity, where the fact that the bouncer would come back naively (i.e. without trying to negotiate with nickserv) was a feature
1841496;1534278282;*;asciilifeform pictures herd of orcs in 1990s 'adidas' cloth
1841497;1534278293;mircea_popescu;ALSO "not giving a shit" amirite.
1841498;1534278343;asciilifeform;i'd picture that genuine not-giving-shit will be in plain white rag
1841499;1534278353;asciilifeform;or whatever fell of the truck most recently
1841500;1534278369;mircea_popescu;in my case it's in suits. but in any case, it'll ahve to not have been pret-a-porter not-giving-shits.
1841501;1534278386;mircea_popescu;because you specifically can't have fried ice, these two are contradictory. either it's marketed to or not.
1841502;1534278463;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform see, eating roadkill is only not giving a shit until some nutjob in santa cruz comes up with $275 to rent a cable channel slot and starts pushing his miracle cure, diet & philosophy.
1841503;1534278466;asciilifeform;afaik typical orc puts on a suit solely when being buried
1841504;1534278476;mircea_popescu;sorta like being a homosexual was only a sexual choice before they came up with the political choice of being gay.
1841505;1534278535;*;mircea_popescu can't resist linking http://trilema.com/2016/the-herd-of-independent-minds-or-has-the-avantgarde-its-own-mass-culture/#selection-149.423-149.564
1841506;1534278596;asciilifeform;dunno, the antics of marie antoinette did not cancel actual milkmaids existing
1841507;1534278619;asciilifeform;non-'ironically'
1841508;1534278634;mircea_popescu;breifly back to phf 's discussion of r+ thing : i confess i mostly did it to encourage the "spammer" to put registration in. sadly... went instead the way of http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-08-13.log.html#t22:59:16
1841509;1534278635;lobbesbot;Logged on 2018-08-13 22:59:16: <Xoc11>  ­ ­ ­ ­ ­  http://magaimg.net/img/wqz.jpg  ­  ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ http://magaimg.net/img/wqz.jpg  ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­
1841510;1534278644;mircea_popescu;nfi why people are stupid.
1841511;1534278677;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, but at the time ~there was something to do~. this, yes, always rescues. but what's there to do ? last time esltard did something the wall was still standing.
1841512;1534278777;asciilifeform;there's always plenty to do , even when the 'doers' are in drunken haze instead
1841513;1534278793;asciilifeform;especially then.
1841514;1534278800;mircea_popescu;http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-08-14.log.html#t01:25:07 << very much the central problem republic's been dealing with since serious work begun.
1841515;1534278800;lobbesbot;Logged on 2018-08-14 01:25:07: <Mocky> and i added implementations of those methods to worldhandler.cpp, which i can show if curious. but this brings me to my problem: I can't include worldhandler.h in any of my code without bringing in the whole cs / ps spitoon
1841516;1534278816;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, because milk comes from supermarket, so what milkmaid.
1841517;1534278845;mircea_popescu;(yes, obviously, my highly structured response to the problem being called slavery, but that's neither here nor there, walled garden so to speak)
1841518;1534278849;asciilifeform;lol Mocky about to become familiar with the art of the hacksaw
1841519;1534278870;mircea_popescu;the fellow'\s fucking endearing, what can i tell you.
1841520;1534278879;asciilifeform;he's full time eulorist nao, iirc
1841521;1534278918;mircea_popescu;well, until he finds a real job (tm). as per above.
1841522;1534278926;asciilifeform;( i assume he was found equal to the work, at some earlier time )
1841523;1534278933;asciilifeform;aa
1841524;1534278945;mircea_popescu;god fucking help me if ima make square "ice sculptures" and give out ptolemaic imaginary beasts.
1841525;1534278974;asciilifeform;i dun think i know the ref -- are these euloric artifacts ?
1841526;1534278987;mircea_popescu;"this most prestigious rhino has a cat's head inside the chicken head on each of its four wingtips. SO MUCH MORE PRESTIGIOUS than the flying whale of that other temple"
1841527;1534279046;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the ice sculpture ? it's http://trilema.com/2012/generatia-fara/#selection-141.0-141.68 ; and the strange beasts, it's http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-14#1841452
1841528;1534279046;a111;Logged on 2018-08-14 20:09 trinque: that "touch bar" thing is the saddest shit. they literally put the stupid watch they made in the laptop.
1841529;1534279056;asciilifeform;aa
1841530;1534279088;mircea_popescu;traim milenii de impliniri marete, pre-attic nile valley v2.0.
1841531;1534279126;mircea_popescu;http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-08-14.log.html#t01:30:42 << such a fucking perfect snowglobe.
1841532;1534279126;lobbesbot;Logged on 2018-08-14 01:30:42: <Mocky> the only thing I can think is if I can pull out those includes from worldhandler.h and put them in worldhandler.cpp, but I just don't see it. 90% of the methods have csString, or EID, csPtr, csVector3
1841533;1534279146;mircea_popescu;THESE IDIOTS REIMPLEMENTED C STRINGS you understand me. also wrongly, of course. fucking pancake.
1841534;1534279149;asciilifeform;oh mircea_popescu , recall the flowgraph project ?
1841535;1534279154;mircea_popescu;aha ?
1841536;1534279168;asciilifeform;cuz as it stands, to this day the state of the art re hacksaw work, is the plain old chalkboard...
1841537;1534279180;asciilifeform;d00d is gonna have to lay it all out , by hand.
1841538;1534279189;mircea_popescu;i suspect "he'd just like something that works".
1841539;1534279214;mircea_popescu;hell, so would i. now where is it.
1841540;1534279244;asciilifeform;http://printonic.ru/uploads/images/2016/02/22/.tmb/thumb_img_56cae08a49909_resize_900_5000.jpg << oblig re 'just like'
1841541;1534279275;asciilifeform;^ that is where it is. ( in fairy tale )
1841542;1534279310;mircea_popescu;no pure objects in reality, huh. plato, i r disappoint.
1841543;1534279328;asciilifeform;there might be, but you gotta drill through 500 metres of rock and 100 of liquishit, to get to'em.
1841544;1534279334;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform first time i saw a steam-powered sledge. russian technology ?
1841545;1534279356;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i think you ro folx had ~similar tale, with the pike fish and the magic stove
1841546;1534279362;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-14#503935 << golden age item ? :D
1841547;1534279362;a111;Logged on 2014-02-14 17:22 asciilifeform: where 'honey don't forget to refuel the reactor, milk the bear, and turn us in to the kgb.'
1841548;1534279388;asciilifeform;( lazy son (tm)(r) likes to sit on warm stove all day, makes threewishes, gets magic stove & other 'just works'en )
1841549;1534279412;*;mircea_popescu is just giving hard time
1841550;1534279413;asciilifeform;olden age item.
1841551;1534279428;asciilifeform;pre-su, but quintessentially slavic (tm)
1841552;1534279450;mircea_popescu;the drawing ? strikes me as very 1990s.
1841553;1534279458;asciilifeform;aah pic is prolly modern
1841554;1534279465;asciilifeform;but typical of genre
1841555;1534279475;mircea_popescu;aha.
1841556;1534279513;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-14#1841302 << nah. integration is generally a bad idea.
1841557;1534279513;a111;Logged on 2018-08-14 17:07 asciilifeform: prolly the Right Thing would be to have the actual logtrons ( phf's, ben_vulpes's , Framedragger's if he were still alive , etc ) sync to one another as fallback
1841558;1534279523;asciilifeform;https://i.pinimg.com/736x/7e/22/01/7e2201f558d42e467cc35c278b211882--stoves-fairytale.jpg << '80s ver
1841559;1534279523;mircea_popescu;wtf do i care what "the agreed upon log" looks like.
1841560;1534279552;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yup! that, very 80s, visually!
1841561;1534279553;asciilifeform;btw the orig folktale included mega-line 'and many did the stove crush as it went'
1841562;1534279562;mircea_popescu;ahahahaha
1841563;1534279569;asciilifeform;( he drives it to the palace and takes over kingdom )
1841564;1534279582;mircea_popescu;"why did russian inventors not develop airplane ?" "and many did the stove crush as it went."
1841565;1534279590;asciilifeform;ahahahayes
1841566;1534279640;asciilifeform;this is recurrent motif , e.g. self-enfooding tablecloth
1841567;1534279651;mircea_popescu;the guy that was going to make a working satellite fell into latrine and sunk under weight of wristwatch (that included laptop).
1841568;1534279712;asciilifeform;peculiarly dar al islam, in spite of barrel rolls and immelmanns on flying carpet, also somehow did not pioneer airplane...
1841569;1534279771;mircea_popescu;it's one thing to want it... and another thign to dream it.
1841570;1534279775;asciilifeform;noshit
1841571;1534279797;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-14#1841309 << i'm persuaded the problem exists. now wut do ?
1841572;1534279797;a111;Logged on 2018-08-14 17:11 phf: so +r drops the reliability of all logtrons
1841573;1534279805;asciilifeform;http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-08-14.log.html#t01:52:40 << incidentally asciilifeform coupla yrs ago made failed attempt to replace 'boost' in trb with cpp11isms. principle obstacle was that gcc 4.9x doesn't really have 100% working cpp11.
1841574;1534279805;lobbesbot;Logged on 2018-08-14 01:52:40: <Mocky> is it permissible to use c++11 features with the client/build? I couldn't tell from the jamconfig. it seems like the int64_t type is a c++11 thing and that's in there.
1841575;1534279822;asciilifeform;( but also that it introduces massive batch of unknwown deviltry in place of ~known )
1841576;1534279827;mircea_popescu;tell me about it.
1841577;1534279880;asciilifeform;it's part of how i ended up with ada : found that just about all of the 'good parts' of cpp11ism were lifted from it
1841578;1534279893;asciilifeform;( lifted poorly, unsurprisingly )
1841579;1534279909;asciilifeform;e.g. the spectacular clusterfuck of 'smart pointers'
1841580;1534279935;asciilifeform;quite likely was attempt to copy ada behaviour while retaining 'compatibility'
1841581;1534279967;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-14#1841344 << this is so.
1841582;1534279967;a111;Logged on 2018-08-14 17:31 phf: we've had this conversation long time ago, that irc loging is a purely gossip-like thing. at best you can say that "a111 received this message at such and such time, was claimed to be from X"
1841583;1534280002;mircea_popescu;the very deliberate, and very plain gossipd-philosophy roots of logotrons are indeed not to be forgotten, either.
1841584;1534280025;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this being so, still imho suxx when , we yes had convo, but then it aint in any logs anywhere
1841585;1534280033;asciilifeform;at random
1841586;1534280037;mircea_popescu;explain "had convo"
1841587;1534280047;asciilifeform;y'know, like here an' nao
1841588;1534280055;mircea_popescu;but this is in the logs.
1841589;1534280065;asciilifeform;right. and then netsplit, and suddenly not
1841590;1534280098;mircea_popescu;but then explain "had convo". if i http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-30#1838270 it's netspliut yes ?
1841591;1534280098;a111;Logged on 2018-07-30 16:14 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/W9sYG/?raw=true
1841592;1534280113;mircea_popescu;involuntary privacy is to be resolved by the parties involved, not by the logger.
1841593;1534280118;asciilifeform;speaking of fleanode weather, rather than deliberate off-forum conv
1841594;1534280125;mircea_popescu;define "deliberate"
1841595;1534280134;mircea_popescu;freenode is not an agent.
1841596;1534280141;asciilifeform;as in !later tell mircea_popescu http:...gpgturd
1841597;1534280165;mircea_popescu;error : abstract symbol "deliberate" doesn't admit to be defined formally.
1841598;1534280190;mircea_popescu;if you did it, it was deliberate. that's the definition of "you".
1841599;1534280196;asciilifeform;sure does. if mircea_popescu speaking into a gpgtron, then deliberate off-forum. if he's talking into a wire that turns out aint plugged into nuffin, then weather.
1841600;1534280203;mircea_popescu;um.
1841601;1534280214;mircea_popescu;is the proper honorific for this weather mr or ms ?
1841602;1534280223;asciilifeform;well poseidon is a mr
1841603;1534280253;mircea_popescu;you either did it or didn't do it, we can't just invent doers by looking around, can we now.
1841604;1534280277;asciilifeform;what was the line with the mills , from mircea_popescu
1841605;1534280283;asciilifeform;!#s self milling
1841606;1534280283;a111;1 result for "self milling", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=self%20milling
1841607;1534280294;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-16#1800298 <<
1841608;1534280294;a111;Logged on 2018-04-16 18:04 mircea_popescu: aand in today's cogitations, "all machines are milling machines -- some self-milling, some not entirely".
1841609;1534280299;mircea_popescu;or from the other structure looking in towards this same thing, the ~state~ of being public is something to be set by the participants, not by the fucking scribe.
1841610;1534280321;asciilifeform;unreliable scribes suck tho
1841611;1534280325;mircea_popescu;how is logotron going to decide for you what you ~meant to~ have public.
1841612;1534280334;mircea_popescu;it's reliable enough, if it hears it says.
1841613;1534280355;asciilifeform;rrright but thread was specifically re 'sometimes it dun hear on acct of $lameness'
1841614;1534280381;mircea_popescu;ok, but the problem is how to solve. "speak otherwise" seems right thing ; "change its hearing" seems wrong thing.
1841615;1534280426;asciilifeform;aha
1841616;1534280444;asciilifeform;i suspect that playing 'let's patch winblowz' but with fleanode, is not winning proposition, yes
1841617;1534280449;mircea_popescu;otherwise what, one day you accidentally cut your kbd cable while playing with cnc mill, phf is stuck putting code into a111 to bridge electric airgap ?
1841618;1534280461;asciilifeform;funnel gotta be plugged at correct end.
1841619;1534280469;mircea_popescu;i believe so.
1841620;1534280690;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-14#1841351 << this sounds like the fucking lamborghini of all logotrons. seriously, connect ~two~ clients to ~each~ ircd and then have them ring-vote ? i agree it's the correct design, fwiw, but maybe hold off on implementation some time ?
1841621;1534280690;a111;Logged on 2018-08-14 17:34 phf: i mean to do reliable logging you need to track the whois "on server", and spawn 2 bots per server, which then all negotiate a single consensus message to promote to canonical "this is what was said"
1841622;1534280752;mircea_popescu;otherwise this mega-logotron is actually larger than the freenode it logs. might as well use IT then instead.
1841623;1534280789;asciilifeform;is ~= what asciilifeform noted, downthread
1841624;1534280851;mircea_popescu;(but yes, i readily admit that the original notion in my head is for replacement to eventually grow, organically, out of the loggers, and this is what informs the "meh, too soon" recurrences http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-29#1819587 )
1841625;1534280851;a111;Logged on 2018-05-29 17:28 mircea_popescu: trinque, the whole fucking idea is to replace it once and good, with gossipd.
1841626;1534280910;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-14#1841353 << agreed.
1841627;1534280910;a111;Logged on 2018-08-14 17:35 phf: i'm pretty sure we had pocket conversations during netsplits, that none of the bots heard
1841628;1534280993;mircea_popescu;the counterbalance, however, being that public conversations are by their nature immutable. what can you possibly ever say in public ? the ~same~ thing over and over again, yes ? hence the http://trilema.com/2018/let-me-tell-you-how-bad-i-have-it/#selection-29.0-29.43
1841629;1534281073;mircea_popescu;the necessary correlate to "no, you can't have your lunch and eat it too, just as you couldn't when you asked me earlier, and just as you won't later on", ie, "you won't get the answer you wish to hear no matter how many times you ask", ie, immutably in front of idiocy -- there's not that much to lose, not really, out of public conversation.
1841630;1534281177;mircea_popescu;if she whispers "i love you, master" just as you feel her asshole tear you might deeply regret having missed hearing it ; but if alf says (yes ? name not pronoun ?) c++ bungled smart pointers, what am i going to miss ? it's not fucking going away. if only it did. it's not. the reason he fucking said it, even is because the damned thing won't go away already.
1841631;1534281184;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: recall thread where ( i fughet which one of us ) posed gedankenexperiment, put in an eliza made out of collection of ' n00b: $input  mircea_popescu: $output ' pairs, and see what it does to n00bs
1841632;1534281196;mircea_popescu;aha!
1841633;1534281246;asciilifeform;sorta how 'faq' was invented.
1841634;1534281289;asciilifeform;( somewhere i got a GB+ of faqolade from the golden usenet days, some are pretty lulzy reads )
1841635;1534281497;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: imho log is important labour-saving device, lack of ability to point n00b to $oldlog , instead of having to say same thing 10,000 times, is one of the plagues that killed usenet
1841636;1534281546;asciilifeform;( granted , literacy only worx if there exist reader also, and not merely chuckcha-is-a-writer )
1841637;1534281565;*;asciilifeform brb,meat
1841638;1534282495;mircea_popescu;ok, labour saving, but gotta actually save labour you know ?
1841639;1534282786;Mocky;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-14#1841573 << this is all new to me, I've been learning cpp from Stroustrup 4th ed. where he goes out of his way to act like cpp11 is the only version that ever existed
1841640;1534282786;a111;Logged on 2018-08-14 20:50 asciilifeform: http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-08-14.log.html#t01:52:40 << incidentally asciilifeform coupla yrs ago made failed attempt to replace 'boost' in trb with cpp11isms. principle obstacle was that gcc 4.9x doesn't really have 100% working cpp11.
1841641;1534282824;Mocky;re: hacksaw skills, yes, I can see the need for this quite clearly
1841642;1534283189;mircea_popescu;it's a learning journey.
1841643;1534283248;Mocky;but you repeat yourself
1841644;1534283254;mircea_popescu;lol
1841645;1534283610;BingoBoingo;All reading is re-reading!
1841646;1534283686;mircea_popescu;how did the monk that hated laughter go, "but a splendid, eternal recapitulation".
1841647;1534283834;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-14#1841367 << no, the "on account" was very specifically "count of free hands".
1841648;1534283834;a111;Logged on 2018-08-14 17:43 asciilifeform: my understanding was that mircea_popescu refrained from giving signal 'build us a fleanode' in the past on acct of (but not limited to) the reason where heathens (e.g. fetgurlz) would have difficulty visiting . but we already have the +r hoop for them to jump, i dun see how much worse would be own fleanode.
1841649;1534283913;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-14#1841375 << ahaha. the joe stack report.
1841650;1534283913;a111;Logged on 2018-08-14 18:54 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/08/joe-stacking-takes-off-with-2-incidents-in-recent-days/ << Qntra - Joe Stacking Takes Off With 2 Incidents In Recent Days
1841651;1534284092;mircea_popescu;"In the first incident a SEATAC ground crew member 29 year old Richard Russell" << could use some commas.
1841652;1534284236;mircea_popescu;"I have spent the total years of my adulthood unlearning that crap from only a few years of my childhood. " << that poor guy. i'd say on reflection this is utterly the engineerhead problem, "takes a whole adult life to unlearn five lines of socialist idiocy a stupid woman poured into the 3yo head"
1841653;1534284713;BingoBoingo;ty, fxd
1841654;1534284892;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: often whole life -- still notenuff
1841655;1534284989;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-14#1841639 << actually quite pertinent to the thread -- stroustrup spent virtually entire past 20yrs , in successive attempts to coverup his n-1-st warcrime by pretending 'neverhappened' and... carrying on with moar of same!
1841656;1534284989;a111;Logged on 2018-08-14 21:39 Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-14#1841573 << this is all new to me, I've been learning cpp from Stroustrup 4th ed. where he goes out of his way to act like cpp11 is the only version that ever existed
1841657;1534285100;asciilifeform;sorta the polar opposite of vtronic development : 'this is c++, this always was'
1841658;1534285108;Mocky;I have nfi how much influence he still has on standard, but spends entire preface kissing feet of latest version
1841659;1534285119;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/08/ny-times-attempting-to-meddle-in-brazilian-election-by-publishing-essay-by-corrupt-motherfucker/ << Qntra - NY Times Attempting To Meddle In Brazilian Election By Publishing Essay By Corrupt Motherfucker
1841660;1534285126;asciilifeform;whereas 'no , motherfucker, what c++ actually is, ~is~ the the microshit crock of shit'
1841661;1534285628;asciilifeform;if one were to ~set out to~ take the merely convoluted pointersandoverflowslang aka c, and turn into ~permanently~ indecipherably stateful churning liquishit, it would be quite difficult to do a 'better' job of it than stroustrup did.
1841662;1534285659;asciilifeform;the man carries moar of the responsibility for microshit ecosystem than prolly any other single malignant shit alive.
1841663;1534285722;asciilifeform;( naggum had the observation, went like 'brokenness of unix is the brokenness of c , of winblows -- of c++ '
1841664;1534285724;asciilifeform;)
1841665;1534285759;asciilifeform;shitoshi's horror is an archaetypical example.
1841666;1534285778;asciilifeform;'how much memory this uses' 'this q is turing-complete, try asking something else'
1841667;1534285851;asciilifeform;'aah you put something in a hash table, why now surprised that it uses half a meg each time, dontchaknow it has to rebalance red-black'
1841668;1534285869;asciilifeform;'you concated two strings, of course this uses unbounded heap space and frags'
1841669;1534285913;asciilifeform;'this proggy is faux-multithreaded, so of fuckingcourse there's a lock around erry variable toggle'
1841670;1534285914;asciilifeform;etc.
1841671;1534285956;asciilifeform;the eulora folx can prolly add to this kunstkammer
1841672;1534286091;Mocky;good times... "fun never ends"
1841673;1534286501;Mocky;gotta earn that gray beard
1841674;1534286577;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform s. strikes as exactly the sort of fellow who;d be trying "the same thing" in the vein of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-14#1841629
1841675;1534286577;a111;Logged on 2018-08-14 21:11 mircea_popescu: the necessary correlate to "no, you can't have your lunch and eat it too, just as you couldn't when you asked me earlier, and just as you won't later on", ie, "you won't get the answer you wish to hear no matter how many times you ask", ie, immutably in front of idiocy -- there's not that much to lose, not really, out of public conversation.
1841676;1534286611;asciilifeform;afaik he has never done anything else.
1841677;1534286644;mircea_popescu;it's readily suspicious, when the following elements meet : a) a new set is promoted that includes some of the elements of the previous set but b) there's no discussion of why exactly some were left out, in substantial terms of what was wrong with them that reach all the way to the root and c) the author is apparently unaware that the a-b combo is the principal signal of idiocy.
1841678;1534286678;asciilifeform;observe how the unix folx, richie & thompson, also proceeded similarly, doubled down on the 'unix philosophy' in e.g. 'inferno'
1841679;1534286689;mircea_popescu;somehow the idiocy of democracy, "we have a new senate" "what was wrong with the old one ?" "huh ?" is supposed to steal our wits with the eyes attached, and leave us believing that "this is how it goes" or something ?
1841680;1534286747;asciilifeform;'we built straw bomber, it did not fly, gotta build bigger! one'
1841681;1534286769;mircea_popescu;~why~ did it have to change, and ~why~ was it there in the first place then. these gotta be addressed, wtf pseudo-rational process is this.
1841682;1534286802;asciilifeform;there is no indication that there ever ~had been~ a 'why'. d00d designs like child picks his nose.
1841683;1534286804;asciilifeform;'because can'
1841684;1534286836;mircea_popescu;there's nothing wrong with this, incidentally. exploration is exploration. "we're trying things out, go away" is a perfectly legitimate state of affairs.
1841685;1534286857;mircea_popescu;argument could even be brought "and then, idiots went and wrote linux in it".
1841686;1534286878;asciilifeform;1980s included plenty of examples of disastrous enthronement of 'this is experiment, go away' to 'industry captains'(tm)
1841687;1534286888;asciilifeform;without an intermediate sanity filter
1841688;1534286891;mircea_popescu;except this, perfectly available, intellectual stance -- very much not stroustrup
1841689;1534286915;asciilifeform;experiment , on intellectual honesty planet, includes discussion of result .
1841690;1534286918;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform 2010s, too. bitcoin, amirite.
1841691;1534286920;asciilifeform;and admission of failures.
1841692;1534286942;asciilifeform;cpp added up to ~30+ yrs of utter disaster.
1841693;1534287441;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-14#1841669 << eulora client has a lot of this. you know it uses 5 threads ? of which 4 do nothing ?
1841694;1534287441;a111;Logged on 2018-08-14 22:31 asciilifeform: 'this proggy is faux-multithreaded, so of fuckingcourse there's a lock around erry variable toggle'
1841695;1534287444;mircea_popescu;5, specifically.
1841696;1534287452;asciilifeform;lol exactly like trb?!
1841697;1534287476;mircea_popescu;the usual "why magic number ?" question goes doubly so for thread counts -- if your program has a fixed thread count it's not multi-threaded, it's badly written.
1841698;1534287479;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha. same school
1841699;1534287496;Mocky;asciilifeform, 'inferno' is this? >> http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-25#1032830
1841700;1534287496;a111;Logged on 2015-02-25 01:37 asciilifeform: while hunting for marvell errata sheets, found http://code.google.com/p/inferno-kirkwood/source/browse/devsata.c - driver for same, written for bell labs's 'inferno' os (interesting animal all in itself, see old thread) - contains some clues re: reset behaviour
1841701;1534287499;mircea_popescu;(yes, i'm using this to raise the army that'll surgerize trb, of course, of course)
1841702;1534287508;asciilifeform;Mocky: yes it
1841703;1534287851;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-08#1832784 << let's flesh this out a little, while at it. podophyllotoxin, active ingredient in mandrake root, is not only toxic but actually damages dna (ties the strand to topoisomerase, and prevents religation). this happens to be useful in some medical contexts (neoplasm management, basically). enter etoposide and teniposide, one with a methyl the other with a thienyl. otherwise, same item.
1841704;1534287851;a111;Logged on 2018-07-08 00:29 asciilifeform: 'why is this methyl group here' '...patent'
1841705;1534287851;mircea_popescu;functionally identical, actually.
1841706;1534287877;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the yew thing, similar
1841707;1534287879;asciilifeform;plenty of these.
1841708;1534287884;mircea_popescu;aha.
1841709;1534288520;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: threading in trb is exactly variant of ye olde http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-21#1379603 -- it's there because idjit had nfi how to do nonblocking i/o
1841710;1534288520;a111;Logged on 2016-01-21 13:29 asciilifeform: 'if i make it what i think is the right size, it crashes!111'
1841711;1534288554;asciilifeform;( granted , in unixland it aint easy, and in winblowz planet -- ~impossible )
1841712;1534288612;asciilifeform;result, naturally, is ~still~ blocking i/o, but proggy... pretends to run while blocked
1841713;1534288616;asciilifeform;( hence 'blackhole' etc )
1841714;1534290106;mircea_popescu;myeah
1841715;1534290139;mircea_popescu;theres a whole lot of that in eulora as well. and in ~all cpp-gui offerings past 20 yearsd
1841716;1534341732;mircea_popescu;fiiirst
1841717;1534342076;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-14#1841659 << such fucking lulz, incidentally. really, all blue usg has left is this lame attempt to capture "the international" ? make 6th reiteration or whatever, keep rando nations in its "sphere of influence" ?
1841718;1534342076;a111;Logged on 2018-08-14 22:18 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/08/ny-times-attempting-to-meddle-in-brazilian-election-by-publishing-essay-by-corrupt-motherfucker/ << Qntra - NY Times Attempting To Meddle In Brazilian Election By Publishing Essay By Corrupt Motherfucker
1841719;1534342098;mircea_popescu;jesus christ what fucking influence ? the soviets had intellectual leadership, who the everloving fuck can take the pantsuit seriously ?!
1841720;1534342199;mircea_popescu;i get it, the story they tell themselves is that "academia" ie various subhumans ( such as say http://trilema.com/2017/is-it-still-rape-if-i-write-science-on-my-penis-first/#footnote_0_71619 ) does take them seriously. this is the direct equivalent of lenin a) imagining tabletop gamers take him seriously and b) telling himself this matters, back in 1925. are you fucking kidding me ?!
1841721;1534342203;mircea_popescu;nobody is this fucking stupd.
1841722;1534342835;asciilifeform;in related lulz, usg.pravda drummed up Official hysteria for whole week re 'far right rally scheduled in washington' . then it comes, total of 30 reddit d00dz show up, and promptly turn tail when the 'antifas' appear. whole thing nonevent.
1841723;1534343293;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what happens to be iyo the cannonical piece re "mp explains non-wot items can't properly be said to have a name" ?
1841724;1534343303;asciilifeform;hmm
1841725;1534343331;asciilifeform;possibly that one trilema containing the 'souls of the dead' oglaf
1841726;1534343352;mircea_popescu;ie http://trilema.com/2017/when-did-america-end/#selection-269.0-269.225 ?
1841727;1534343370;asciilifeform;this also
1841728;1534343374;mircea_popescu;problems being that a) i already linked it and b) doesn't even say "name"
1841729;1534343377;mircea_popescu;wait, i had more than one ?!
1841730;1534343397;mircea_popescu;nope, this is the first with the imagew.
1841731;1534343405;asciilifeform;hm.
1841732;1534343412;asciilifeform;there is definitely a canonical piece , but where.
1841733;1534343550;asciilifeform;possibly somewhere in the graph of http://trilema.com/2015/why-representative-democracy-doesnt-work-and-doesnt-make-sense/
1841734;1534343562;mircea_popescu;i dun think so ;/
1841735;1534343636;asciilifeform;there was also a passage in http://trilema.com/2014/spamming-reddit-an-experiment/
1841736;1534343655;asciilifeform;'inasmuch as reddit hasn't been made by me or my friends nor is it owned by me or my friends it is ultra legem et extra curia, an outlaw thing, marked for death and without a future. Just like it's no crime to kill, maim or rob one without a WoT account, it's no crime to abuse reddit any way you please' etc
1841737;1534343691;asciilifeform;( btw you still have a 'http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=bitcoin-assets' in there )
1841738;1534343731;mircea_popescu;yes, but that's re political rights
1841739;1534343750;mircea_popescu;the idea is, literally, can not name amoeba, indistinguishable. must distinguish to name.
1841740;1534343828;asciilifeform;that was in http://trilema.com/2016/theyre-not-progressive-theyre-just-lazy-a-practical-exercise/ iirc
1841741;1534343878;mircea_popescu;the word "name" does not appear even ?!~
1841742;1534343882;asciilifeform;hm.
1841743;1534343891;asciilifeform;then i'm stumped.
1841744;1534343959;asciilifeform;( unrelatedly, dug up vintage lul http://trilema.com/2017/how-i-almost-created-a-constellation-of-bitcoin-nodes/ , where mircea_popescu went through the sweat to replicate my failed pipes experiment . where in the end, yr+ later, the correct pill turned out to be entirely unrelated aggression patch )
1841745;1534344060;mircea_popescu;lol. in my notes, the correct pill turned out ~because~ of that.
1841746;1534344075;mircea_popescu;the piece describes attempt to implement your earlier solution and what's wrong with it.
1841747;1534344098;asciilifeform;aha, had to explore all the dead ends 1st
1841748;1534344129;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2017/how-i-almost-created-a-constellation-of-bitcoin-nodes/#selection-39.89-43.96 quite specific. aha.
1841749;1534344152;asciilifeform;( pipes, ftr, would actually work without hanging if they were added today. but imho they aren't particularly needed, unless for some reason one wants to cipher links between own nodes )
1841750;1534344179;mircea_popescu;half the time people encounter "hard" problems is because they're trying to use the wrong tools to approach imaginary problems
1841751;1534344200;mircea_popescu;the other half is because they're being uppity, trying to approach problems out of their pay grade.
1841752;1534344234;asciilifeform;attraction to 'problems out of pay grade' is a specific disease, endemic , e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-06#1840094
1841753;1534344234;a111;Logged on 2018-08-06 23:07 asciilifeform: phf: my alt-hypothesis is that it's something slightly different -- it's a haskellism. ameri-sad folx are irresistibly drawn to ~elaborately ineffective~ tech , that absorbs infinite 'ricering' ( http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-09#552410 ) while giving chance to 'show how clever'
1841754;1534344238;mircea_popescu;in the immortal words of a certain young adult, "but you're ~good~ ~here~."
1841755;1534344259;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i know, i run into it with aspiring 20something girlies ALLLL the time.
1841756;1534344286;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they walk in and ask to replicate uncle al's eotvos? or how does it go
1841757;1534344296;mircea_popescu;nobody ever told them the http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-19#761494 sad.
1841758;1534344296;a111;Logged on 2014-07-19 03:16 mircea_popescu: so, this poor unfortunate soul found herself living her parent's dream : an assistant professor! at the prestigious ubb no less!
1841759;1534344347;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform a wide swath, from thinking self wasted on washing floors to getting on irc and then resetting the connection fifty hundred times, and tons of other items more context dependant.
1841760;1534344379;mircea_popescu;generally, the infant's "that man reads, give me his glasses so i may read too", carefully preserved as a ~useful~ fatal flaw in the taxpayer's brain by the flawed establishment.
1841761;1534344443;mircea_popescu;in the end, meaningful socialism depends on this, yes ? if it weren't the [injust, btw] "control of the means of reading", anyone could be a factory owner. no ? are not all people born capable of reading ? it is only the envious piling up of glasses by ~some~ that prevent ~the rest of us~ from reading. especially the young.
1841762;1534344564;asciilifeform;erry conscript army ever takes in larvae who 'i'm wasted on washing floor' and turns (most of) 'em into actual people
1841763;1534344663;mircea_popescu;as long as they believe that, they'll vote pantsuit, happily participating in the famous https://www.oglaf.com/hotbuttons/2/ competition (which they lose, seeing how my http://trilema.com/2016/give-computers-the-vote-theyre-cheaper-than-women-even/ overwhelms any biospawn they could come up with ; or more generally given that the sword cuts a portion of the way for them and the whole of the way for us.
1841764;1534344748;mircea_popescu;incidentally, since we're doing lost arts, where the fuck did i state the pantsuit's problem of integration (ie, that pantsuitism doesn't stand a chance in the republic because the republic integrates it) in the terminology that "this sword cuts for them a portion of the way and for us the whole way" ? ie, that they're always dependent on state, whatever shit they come up with gotta be carefully ~stopped~ on various slippery
1841765;1534344748;mircea_popescu;slopes ?
1841766;1534344804;mircea_popescu;fucking cursed am i, started writing an article an hour ago, still trying to dig myself out of the web of references spewed out by ~the first god damned paragraph~!
1841767;1534344859;asciilifeform;dollars to doughbuts this item sank in bermuda triangle of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-14#1841353 ...
1841768;1534344859;a111;Logged on 2018-08-14 17:35 phf: i'm pretty sure we had pocket conversations during netsplits, that none of the bots heard
1841769;1534344889;mircea_popescu;and while at it, hey esthlos when you summarize this, do me a favour and link the discussion of globalization, integration, and sociopolitical construct evolution, yes ? :D
1841770;1534344899;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform absolutely not.
1841771;1534344914;mircea_popescu;i read it in the very logs, months ago, months after it occurred.
1841772;1534344998;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-27#1178660 << 2015 referenced as symbol already.
1841773;1534344998;a111;Logged on 2015-06-27 03:23 mircea_popescu: "runs for them a short part of the way and for us the whole way".
1841774;1534345022;asciilifeform;aaa loox like there it is
1841775;1534345048;mircea_popescu;nope. that's a reference to an earlier discussion.
1841776;1534345192;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-05-11#1127557 << ?
1841777;1534345192;a111;Logged on 2015-05-11 00:08 mircea_popescu: This would also be why I don't think so very much of the libertards, and why I find myself so often in contradiction with people who view them as either powerful or in any sense a threat (usually both) : they aren't, either, nor could they really be, either, because the only tool they know actually works for them only a short distance of its run, and for us the entire length of that same run. The libertard's gambit is
1841778;1534345195;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-17#1054497 << fucking hysterical products of spelunking. get a load of that, soviet pioneer has read lenin, is sad to have to go back home.
1841779;1534345195;a111;Logged on 2015-03-17 02:26 mircea_popescu: "I’m too smart, Professor. I’ve got nothing to say to normal children. Adults don’t respect me enough to really talk to me. And frankly, even if they did, they wouldn’t sound as smart as Richard Feynman, so I might as well read something Richard Feynman wrote instead. I’m isolated, Professor McGonagall. I’ve been isolated my whole life. Maybe that has some of the same effects as being locked in a cellar. An
1841780;1534345206;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes!
1841781;1534346106;*;mircea_popescu reduced to going through db list of terms by hand ;/
1841782;1534346623;mircea_popescu;there could be, of course, http://trilema.com/2018/democracy-sucks-the-two-thousand-four-hundred-and-change-years-old-version/#selection-297.0-297.795
1841783;1534347080;mircea_popescu;of course there's also http://trilema.com/2018/on-namespaces/#selection-293.0-293.22 ... vague and unclear as it is...
1841784;1534347106;asciilifeform;relatedly, i still never found the clay shards thing.
1841785;1534347112;asciilifeform;it's as if martians carefully stole it.
1841786;1534347154;mircea_popescu;i imagined this is behind the temptation to "fix" loggers, but it totally can't be fixed there.
1841787;1534347166;asciilifeform;oh nah, found ~in logs~
1841788;1534347171;asciilifeform;but nowhere else.
1841789;1534347265;mircea_popescu;a a
1841790;1534347274;asciilifeform;( earliest in my notes is http://btcbase.org/log/2013-12-12#419924 )
1841791;1534347274;a111;Logged on 2013-12-12 20:36 asciilifeform: i believe the ancient greeks used something similar, with a broken clay pot
1841792;1534347418;asciilifeform;later there was a http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-03#1394793
1841793;1534347418;a111;Logged on 2016-02-03 01:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally do you recall that very ingenious thing that worked essentially as a vinyl record player needle but on a random chunk of clay pot ?
1841794;1534347453;mircea_popescu;ohohoh found it! http://trilema.com/2018/the-rivers-of-blood-article-or-the-lordship-list-fifth-year/#footnote_0_77999
1841795;1534347481;mircea_popescu;the sad part being that now that i found what i thought i was looking for, i discover that much better reference would be something else i turned up in the search, that i wasn't specifically looking for.
1841796;1534347493;mircea_popescu;praise trompi that i have what to search through.
1841797;1534347716;mircea_popescu;jesus that was a belaboured 300 words.
1841798;1534353472;mircea_popescu;fucking finally. this thing looked like it was going to swallow me whole at some point.
1841799;1534353974;asciilifeform;'We're really trying to send a message today to Mr. Trump that America runs on science' << bahahahhaha
1841800;1534353976;*;asciilifeform fallsdown
1841801;1534354001;mircea_popescu;like gasoline, right ? the substance ?
1841802;1534354072;mircea_popescu;well, more like hot air, but technically same thing.
1841803;1534354106;mod6;:d
1841804;1534354109;asciilifeform;gasoline >> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/A1J8P/?raw=true << oblig uncleal
1841805;1534354109;mod6;:D
1841806;1534354144;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know, that's just about how hanbot drives ?
1841807;1534354175;asciilifeform;'Gasoline once embodied masculinity.  That harsh but sweet essence was the flawless compliment to an authentic man's natural scent.   Billions of gallons of rich balm spewed from refineries ringing  the coastline of this great nation to power Detroit's behemoths  to ever greater excesses of brute power, and their owners to  expansive fusillades of sexual conquest.  We plundered desiccated  Middle East wastelands.  We sucked the black
1841808;1534354175;asciilifeform; gold from mile-deep  drill holes, plundering the abyss.  As we fueled a civilization  wielding wealth and power culled from the physical, cultural and  political conquest of an entire planet we tossed pennies of  compensation in the faces of our Third World vassals. ...  We don't do that anymore.  Any of it.'
1841809;1534354479;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/lets-put-three-and-three-together/ << Trilema - Let's put three and three together.
1841810;1534355091;mircea_popescu;in other news, https://www.oglaf.com/dark-miasma/01/ .. https://www.oglaf.com/dark-miasma/24/ is a pretty lulzy tale of manalone.
1841811;1534355107;asciilifeform;403 Forbidden
1841812;1534355172;mircea_popescu;https://www.oglaf.com/crimson-queen/ << bwahahaha also.
1841813;1534355192;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform sorry, https://www.oglaf.com/dark-miasma/1
1841814;1534355273;asciilifeform;aaworx
1841815;1534355501;mircea_popescu;https://www.oglaf.com/dream-lover/ bwahaha. they've been busy have they.
1841816;1534358031;asciilifeform;in very other noose, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/YETnd/?raw=true << this has been working for a while, and i see no harm in making it public; anyone can submit candidate factor to modulus, box will do The Right Thing depending on whether correct, etc
1841817;1534358091;asciilifeform;( note, candidate modulus must already exist in phuctor collection )
1841818;1534358320;asciilifeform;currently returns -2 if offered divisor is liquishit (<=1 , or >= mod ) , -6 if not prime , -3 if none of these but not in fact factor .
1841819;1534358360;asciilifeform;( if anyone ever sees a -5 , lemme know, it means the machine is prolly on fire )
1841820;1534358447;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> ( if anyone ever sees a -5 , lemme know, it means the machine is prolly on fire ) << I prolly ought to be advised if the machine is likely on fire as well.
1841821;1534358467;asciilifeform;oh - -1 means modulus is not in db.
1841822;1534358478;asciilifeform;0 if old factor .
1841823;1534358482;asciilifeform;this completes the set.
1841824;1534358540;asciilifeform;err, there is also 1 ( new mod found for old factor ) and 2 ( new factor with no prior mods )
1841825;1534360394;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2018/lets-put-three-and-three-together/#comment-126476
1841826;1534360470;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i'ma change the lame magicnums to actual human words shortly
1841827;1534360882;mircea_popescu;better that way,
1841828;1534360894;mircea_popescu;also asciilifeform the trilema cavalry showed up, i was right all along!
1841829;1534362644;asciilifeform;oh hah
1841830;1534363100;asciilifeform;in other lulz: phuctor has reader in... nigeria
1841831;1534363151;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-15#1841717 << Part of me suspects USG.blue wants to resurrect Lula so they can unhang themselves. Or flee to Brasil.
1841832;1534363151;a111;Logged on 2018-08-15 14:07 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-14#1841659 << such fucking lulz, incidentally. really, all blue usg has left is this lame attempt to capture "the international" ? make 6th reiteration or whatever, keep rando nations in its "sphere of influence" ?
1841833;1534363293;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo will be lulz of all time, once the "collusion with chinese influence agents, treason, corruption" becomes 90% of the federal docket.
1841834;1534363302;mircea_popescu;high time for this socialisms' doctors' trial.
1841835;1534363490;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well, Argentina won't take em. They won't fit or be escpecially welcome in Uruguay... They are kinda stuck waiting in New York, California, and Chicago
1841836;1534363787;mircea_popescu;oh, chicago's not taking anyone.
1841837;1534364068;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, http://trilema.com/2013/the-funeral/#comment-126479  is quite the thing! replete with delicious quotes like "you can do something [that feels] good rather than something [that feels] bad, and that's better than any justice". really, an unrelenting potpouri of putrid idiocy.
1841838;1534364097;mircea_popescu;eminently study-able piece of femstate agitprop. with all the sluts and hams hollywood could produce, also.
1841839;1534364964;mircea_popescu;https://www.oglaf.com/somelikeithot/ <<< ahahaha check out the pantsuitism. apparently there is such a thing as "inappropriate", sexual or otherwise, behaviour of the great.
1841840;1534366341;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not only , but betcha the ants in yer kitchen have demands!11, little picket signs, 'sugar is stored inappropriately' in tight jar
1841841;1534366379;mircea_popescu;i believe the ants in my kitchen are worthy of their lofty house, fully understand that history is made by the great man, and the great man alone.
1841842;1534366380;mircea_popescu;so... no.
1841843;1534366401;mircea_popescu;but anyway, should i see one with signs be sure i'll squish it. if the gekkos don't get to it first.
1841844;1534366432;asciilifeform;i could use gekko here.
1841845;1534366479;asciilifeform;( currently best i got is http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-23#1829177 )
1841846;1534366479;a111;Logged on 2018-06-23 22:21 asciilifeform: this reminds me, not long ago asciilifeform picked up a little chinese toy, item shaped like tennis raquet but the wires are charged to 4000v and connect to (small) cap; a sort of mechanized fly swatter, they pop, little blue plasma burst, vapour. nominally. so then , having used it, later i see a most peculiar insect, did not immediately realize what it is, never having seen before. looked closely, turns out -- fly head + front legs
1841847;1534366537;mircea_popescu;you can't imagine just how fucking cute they are, btw.
1841848;1534366565;asciilifeform;funnily enuff i've seen small gekko-like critters here. but they're uncommon.
1841849;1534366582;mircea_popescu;do they cackle ?
1841850;1534366592;asciilifeform;possibly, but too small to hear
1841851;1534366601;asciilifeform;they're ~mouse-sized
1841852;1534366607;asciilifeform;( and tend to end up in cats )
1841853;1534366649;asciilifeform;used to see'em in the cracks of the stairs that went up to my old flat
1841854;1534366660;mircea_popescu;um. real gecko is like 20 grams, and plenty large to hear. those be some fake geckos!
1841855;1534366973;asciilifeform;hmm, apparently what we have here is not even gekko, but a https://srelherp.uga.edu/lizards/eumfas.htm
1841856;1534367043;mircea_popescu;aha
1841857;1534367067;asciilifeform;supposedly somewhere in north a there is actual gekko.
1841858;1534367152;*;mircea_popescu has been re-reading http://trilema.com/2013/universalism-postwar-progressivism-as-a-christian-sect/ ; turns out it's actually quite related to http://trilema.com/2018/lets-put-three-and-three-together/ in the unexpected sense that yarvin's principal gargaun is the notion that what he calls "universalism" ~transmits~.
1841859;1534367170;asciilifeform;transmits?
1841860;1534367187;mircea_popescu;it doesn't in fact "transmit" anymore than the adenosine triphosphate cycle, or the carnot cycle. it's either there or not, schelling point of reality.
1841861;1534367227;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes! example : "As a non-Universalist, I can't help but admire the success of this particular replicator. It is brilliantly designed, like the smallpox virus. The fact that no one actually designed it, any more than someone designed the smallpox virus, that it is simply the result of adaptive selection in a highly competitive environment, heightens rather than detracts from my awe."
1841862;1534367261;mircea_popescu;this, of course, is false. atp is not "a virus", it just happens to be the cheapest item with those properties that can be had. living things are made predominently of water, but this isn't a contagion. this is a necessity.
1841863;1534367290;asciilifeform;'universalism' is moar similar to 'not washing hands' than virus
1841864;1534367291;mircea_popescu;idiots will want for "nothing bad to happen" and will trade "nothing to happen altogether" for it, if need be. this isn't because something they heard, or because something someone said.
1841865;1534367310;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform exactly the idea. "not washing hands" isn't contagious. nobody "not washes hands" because "something they read".
1841866;1534367373;mircea_popescu;socialism is not the result of people ~reading~ ; it's the result of people NOT reading. whether they decide they're not reading in the circumstance of a readery, where they discover that they're actually unfit for the activity of reading, notwithstanding what they thought themselves in the other context, of the barn (where, among the cows, they "felt" like reading'd be just the thing) or not is irrelevant.
1841867;1534367484;mircea_popescu;if there existed a different (cheaper!) universal solvent with low polarity and immense thermic innertia living things would perhaps consist of mostly that, rather than mostly water. but this still wouldn't be a contagion, nor would be the "alternative" "preferred" in any meaningful sense.
1841868;1534367507;mircea_popescu;it certainly wouldn't spread by word of mouth.
1841869;1534367558;asciilifeform;'spread of universalism' followed pattern similar to e.g. the disappearance of the roman bath
1841870;1534367561;asciilifeform;rather than of virus
1841871;1534367621;mircea_popescu;but we don't normally speak of "the spread of the disappearance of hot water in progressive europe".
1841872;1534367631;mircea_popescu;so what "spread of universalism" is he on about ?!
1841873;1534367645;mircea_popescu;there's no such thing as the spread of absence, ffs.
1841874;1534367760;asciilifeform;dunno, possibly unlike in the case of baths , pantsuit missionaries did go around to 'teach' 'have 1 wife and 0 slaves' etc
1841875;1534367803;mircea_popescu;in short, the proposition that the accumulation of idiocy observable in the poor, the stupid, and the lazy is somehow a thing is not unlike the proposition that plaque is part of teeth.
1841876;1534367811;mircea_popescu;"if you flossed, ever, it wouldn't be" "but i don't"
1841877;1534367815;asciilifeform;or, say, that time when boston decided to trash whole bottom half of usa, over same
1841878;1534367842;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i recall a trilema where 'the house smelled of poverty'
1841879;1534367874;mircea_popescu;honestly, this seems the correct representation. "filth is part of the human body" "whence ?" "if you don't wash it shows up" "so ?" "and it's somewhat predictable in form and substance. and odour" "so ?"
1841880;1534367912;mircea_popescu;not even plato thought to include a mm or two of toe jam in his definition of the human.
1841881;1534367953;mircea_popescu;but filth sure as fuck isn't infectious ; and the cvasi-religious beliefs of the subhuman horde neither. they don't end up dirty and stupid because transmission, but because nature.
1841882;1534368013;mircea_popescu;and yes, obviously, "the cheese on the sides of her twat" is the "natural" and even "necessary" end point for ~all women. keep her in a cage, unable to shower for a week or two and see. but what's this say ? "common reason" ? fucking spare me.
1841883;1534368186;mircea_popescu;the "ideas", if you can call them so, that people in caves "develop" aren't in any sense discoveries. john smith's uncomprehending mimicry of catholic dogma isn't "inspired" by scholastic writings. he just reproduced the twat cheese, much like shepherd "talking to the stars" in http://trilema.com/2012/luomo-delle-stele/ rediscovers presocratic wankery.
1841884;1534368922;mircea_popescu;and so, to bring this around, i always said that http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-30#1806663 ; here's a fine example of what is meant -- the guy with "plaque is the result of infection", like the guy with "homosexuality is biological", like the guy with "guns kill", like the guy with "don't tell women how to behave, tell men how to behave", like the guy with "stupidity isn't stupidity, but a thing of reason" are in the end the
1841885;1534368922;a111;Logged on 2018-04-30 18:21 mircea_popescu: in front of this, whether we idly decide that he's just dumb or actually evil, ie, his brain dun work like in the case of say bernstein ; or his brain doth work, but he deliberately attempts to shannonize republican words into imperial outcomes, a la curtis yarvin, jwz, whatever.... well what fucking difference does it make.
1841886;1534368922;mircea_popescu;same gal.
1841887;1534369029;mircea_popescu;stupid people hold similar idiotic beliefs because stupidity is self-similar, not because someone taught them that ; and tamen usque recurret not because of mechanism, but exacrtly for lack of one. and so on.
1841888;1534369234;mircea_popescu;in this view, "raising awareness" is the definitive wank, because it's an activity that is a) always entirely available ; b) always completely ineffectual and c) ulterior phenomena always confirm its predictions. no substantial difference between that and waking every morning ~3am and kowtowing towards the east until the sun comes out. a) this can always be done ; b) it will hurt absolutely nothing and c) the sun will always
1841889;1534369234;mircea_popescu;come up.
1841890;1534369282;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/08/new-mexico-black-muslim-militants-get-bail-in-child-soldier-training-camp-case/ << Qntra - New Mexico Black Muslim Militants Get Bail In Child Soldier Training Camp Case
1841891;1534369742;mircea_popescu;and since i'm doing "strategic superiority in review" for some reason, do we count http://trilema.com/2017/lets-put-one-and-two-together/#selection-145.0-149.12 as having protected trump / fizzled the "impeachment" lulz ? or "coincidental" in the sense man who says he's going to do x doesn't do it not because "if you do it ima fuck you up" but for ~coincidental reasons altogether~.
1841892;1534371396;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, "a bed sitting room" has the cast listed ~by descending height~. this is totally how ima do any film i ever do, let shorties learn their place!
1841893;1534372133;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-15#1841891 << the pantsuit could prolly get rid of him without much effort, but why -- and lose their beloved harmless/ceremonial devil
1841894;1534372133;a111;Logged on 2018-08-15 21:49 mircea_popescu: and since i'm doing "strategic superiority in review" for some reason, do we count http://trilema.com/2017/lets-put-one-and-two-together/#selection-145.0-149.12 as having protected trump / fizzled the "impeachment" lulz ? or "coincidental" in the sense man who says he's going to do x doesn't do it not because "if you do it ima fuck you up" but for ~coincidental reasons altogether~.
1841895;1534372293;mircea_popescu;this is more of the same "oh, could destroy bitcoin, just CHOOSES not to"
1841896;1534372297;mircea_popescu;totallies.
1841897;1534372358;mircea_popescu;like elaine once said, the choice between being raped and being a good girl rests entirely with the slut herself : those pantsuit that choose not to misbehave are never truly raped into submission, rite.
1841898;1534372404;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the old man isn't exactly a massively distributed net
1841899;1534372549;mircea_popescu;that'd depend what you mean by is. he's the canary a massively distributed net uses for some purposes.
1841900;1534372937;asciilifeform;possibly
1841901;1534373089;asciilifeform;not clear to me that the lizards actually want him gone, is all
1841902;1534373135;*;asciilifeform brb,meat
1841903;1534373147;trinque;what of the desparate attempts to pin a "me too" to him?
1841904;1534373167;trinque;as if anyone gives a shit
1841905;1534373311;trinque;the lizards don't have any other moves these days, than to "scandalize" and then pout impotently when it does nothing, or backfires
1841906;1534373386;trinque;the scandalize macroexpands to "tell mother", and if herr lizard admits to himself that it does nothing, suddenly he's standing all alone, very naked
1841907;1534373758;mircea_popescu;actually, i very much don't think someone respectable who ~doesn't~ have a train of weeping instagram whores "accusing".
1841908;1534373784;mircea_popescu;in which vein i suppose ima have to produce a few, lest i find myself not having a very high oppinion of myself.
1841909;1534377774;mod6;!!ledger
1841910;1534377780;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/mp0oH/?raw=true
1841911;1534390745;deedbot;http://pizarroisp.net/2018/08/16/pizarro-statement-july-2018/ << PizzaroISP - Pizarro Statement, July 2018
1841912;1534427203;mircea_popescu;mother is displeased with trinque 's comment.
1841913;1534427874;asciilifeform;meanwhile in heathendom lint trap, https://www.opennet.ru/opennews/art.shtml?num=44356
1841914;1534427896;*;mircea_popescu is working on yet another fetlife lulzpiece.
1841915;1534427931;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform back in 2016 we might've even seen it, i think.
1841916;1534427956;asciilifeform;still getting hits via $item, left'em a comment
1841917;1534428039;mircea_popescu;nb.
1841918;1534428056;mircea_popescu;i suspect, by the way, that the web offers at least one useful number :
1841919;1534428078;mircea_popescu;if you calculate the shelf life of pages by language space, as an average, you can actually meaningfully compare languages as cultural tools.
1841920;1534428098;mircea_popescu;say the average page in english is obsolete in 6 days and in russian in 8 days ? well....
1841921;1534428113;asciilifeform;in anglostan net, ~vanished more or less completely
1841922;1534428135;mircea_popescu;imo the best indicator of how culturally nil the pigdin is.
1841923;1534428163;mircea_popescu;or w/e, if you prefer in-universe terms, "diverse", "aware", "inclusive" etc.
1841924;1534428204;asciilifeform;i thought about giving the www ui a ru variant, but really even very basic 'year of eng in primary school' orc oughta be able to work it as-is
1841925;1534428229;mircea_popescu;imo nothing wrong with using english AS LONG AS ITS NOT A FIRST LANGUAGE.
1841926;1534428261;asciilifeform;as first lang, apparently it ~= lead poisoning
1841927;1534428296;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, very amusing circumstance : ran into teen girly, daugther of korean mother, who only speaks english, but speaks it WITH ACCENT.
1841928;1534428340;asciilifeform;lol!
1841929;1534428495;mircea_popescu;prior to this encounter only had theoretical model of such wonder via... what is it you call the theory ?
1841930;1534428517;asciilifeform;which theory
1841931;1534428525;mircea_popescu;that language influences thought.
1841932;1534428543;mircea_popescu;you fished some name from teh scholarly tradition, which i now don't recall.
1841933;1534428544;asciilifeform;sapir & whorf
1841934;1534428546;mircea_popescu;there.
1841935;1534428599;asciilifeform;this'd be, tho, if $chix spoke kr, and thereby 'thought like kr'
1841936;1534428608;mircea_popescu;nah. wolf kid.
1841937;1534428626;asciilifeform;right. so, thinks-like-wolf ?
1841938;1534428627;mircea_popescu;the empirical observation of degrees of wolfness supports the theory.
1841939;1534428633;asciilifeform;aa.
1841940;1534428644;mircea_popescu;language isn't innate, but acquired, is the fundamental point really.
1841941;1534428651;asciilifeform;well noshit
1841942;1534428665;mircea_popescu;hey. most of the "disputes" consist of ~same shit.
1841943;1534428677;asciilifeform;if were innate, would have plague of walkers who haven't any command of any language..
1841944;1534428685;asciilifeform;*wouldn't
1841945;1534428718;mircea_popescu;this is the case now, also. they however ~appear to~. you ever saw http://trilema.com/2017/il-merlo-maschio/ btw ?
1841946;1534428741;asciilifeform;dun think so
1841947;1534428747;asciilifeform;covers subj ?
1841948;1534428754;mircea_popescu;superficially, it's a vehicle for exploiting laura antonelli's tits.
1841949;1534428773;mircea_popescu;but it is notable because it includes, to my knowledge the best on film, model of the deffectively insane.
1841950;1534428795;asciilifeform;interestingly, imho in ru space substantially fewer walkers who approximate human speech while being wolf.
1841951;1534428799;mircea_popescu;fellow in there ~seems~ to be functional human, but is throughout thorouigh nutcase. in this exact sense, "this cpu only has half the registers and can only nop ?!"
1841952;1534428831;mircea_popescu;yet italian supports him mightily in his otherwise doomed quest to appear human to the other humans.
1841953;1534428839;mircea_popescu;his wife, his doctor, his director, etc.
1841954;1534428867;mircea_popescu;HOWEVER... none of them can remember his name. because, see, he can't have one, because, see, he fails most of the handshakes. but nobody notices, because... he speaks italian.
1841955;1534428873;asciilifeform;i suppose it's possible that this exact scenario plays out in ru net, and asciilifeform is effectively fooled
1841956;1534428876;mircea_popescu;eventually finds his place (unsurprisingly, @insane asylum).
1841957;1534428892;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this exact scenario plays out a lot more than anyone reading ever realised before reading.
1841958;1534428921;asciilifeform;in 'vhs' anglostan there was proverb, 'lights are on but no one is home'
1841959;1534428950;mircea_popescu;just about. anyway, i include the film in noob psychologists' training. which is how i reviewed recently.
1841960;1534428959;*;asciilifeform brb,teatime.
1841961;1534429376;mircea_popescu;to be perfectly clear, girly wasn't impaired, she just spoke what it happens to be she had heard. not of within, but of without, which is the point.
1841962;1534429502;mircea_popescu;if you teach your kid your second language the kid's gonna speak it with your accent, and if you teach them english they're gonna think english thoughts rather than "their" thoughts and so following.
1841963;1534431733;mircea_popescu;incidentally, am i the only one fascinated by the history of dyes ?
1841964;1534431793;mircea_popescu;it's very much a http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1712682 item ; in that it has organized a lot of the cognitive history of the 17th, 18th and 19th centuries in technical fields.
1841965;1534431793;a111;Logged on 2017-09-12 19:34 mircea_popescu: you know what a faberge egg is for instance ?
1841966;1534431887;mircea_popescu;almost seems like a sort of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaperonin#/media/File:4xcg.jpg
1841967;1534431975;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not only 1. history of dyes ~= history of chem industry, for ~century
1841968;1534432096;asciilifeform;btw hilarious trilema headerpic today
1841969;1534432118;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what was #lrh ?
1841970;1534432159;asciilifeform;large radron hallider ?
1841971;1534432300;mircea_popescu;nah that radio show thing w/e it was
1841972;1534432314;asciilifeform;oh hm the 'pirates' thing ?
1841973;1534432359;mircea_popescu;i think. i dunno, i just picked it off this very chan i think.
1841974;1534432372;mircea_popescu;seemed lulzy at the time.
1841975;1534432405;asciilifeform;( speaking of which, if anyone never seen one, a microwave dummy load is impressive item, picture breadbox-sized cast al hedgehog with coax plug thicker than man's thumb )
1841976;1534432449;mircea_popescu;o ya.
1841977;1534433452;Mocky;sounds like a bill murrray, dan aykroyd "don't cross the streams" item
1841978;1534433965;mircea_popescu;but to continue http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-16#1841967 : it's also a red thread particularly productive through the hermeneutic method. "why did the greeks care about the columns" type of inquiries work quite well, "why did someone like say heinrich caro dedicate a decade of his life to turkish red ?"
1841979;1534433965;a111;Logged on 2018-08-16 15:06 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not only 1. history of dyes ~= history of chem industry, for ~century
1841980;1534433994;mircea_popescu;one of course has to even learn wtf alizarin is, in the process. but then again that is the entire method.
1841981;1534434085;mircea_popescu;"when you read a text and can distinguish the absurdities it contains from the actual sense, you may claim you have an anachronistic understanding of the matter ; but when you read the text and clearly see the ~necessity~ of the absurdities, their fundamentally-required-ness,  and the circumstantialness of the sense, you may claim meaningful understanding of the item" as the witticism goes.
1841982;1534434104;mircea_popescu;as it turns out, absurdity undergirths human thought, as a sort of rebar.
1841983;1534434309;asciilifeform;without history of organikism, impossible to grasp e.g. http://trilema.com/2013/der-untergang/#selection-49.235-49.527 thread
1841984;1534434391;asciilifeform;( interestingly, i was able to excavate ^ item with some effort + ddg, but ~not~ google )
1841985;1534434446;mircea_popescu;aha!
1841986;1534434609;Mocky;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-16#1841925 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-16#1841926 aside from being unable to argue against (as *victim*), the observation seems to have limited usefulness: can't change someone's first language. you could stop speaking it and stop looking for signs of life among its speakers, but neither of you seem to be doing this!
1841987;1534434609;a111;Logged on 2018-08-16 14:03 mircea_popescu: imo nothing wrong with using english AS LONG AS ITS NOT A FIRST LANGUAGE.
1841988;1534434609;a111;Logged on 2018-08-16 14:04 asciilifeform: as first lang, apparently it ~= lead poisoning
1841989;1534434677;mircea_popescu;Mocky you could just as well take a woman or two and become mellifluous i mean multifluent.
1841990;1534434777;mircea_popescu;contrary to what you might read into that, romanian also makes you fucking stupid. different kind, discussed at length on trilema though. divide & impera amirite, let the idiocy fight idiocy.
1841991;1534434833;Mocky;so then "first langauge" less an issue than "only language"? so multi fluency
1841992;1534434840;Mocky;s gonna chelate some fo that lead?
1841993;1534434853;mircea_popescu;but in general, you want multiple languages for the exact reason you want multiple women, or shoes. howsoever comfortable, howsoever good, useful, proper, right, you name it, if you always use the same pair of shoes they'll become unseemly.
1841994;1534434874;mircea_popescu;if you have $100, it's way better to buy two $40 pairs and a girl a drink than to blow the wad on a $100 pair of shoes.
1841995;1534434927;Mocky;i can see that argument, but it completely sidesteps the "first language" claim
1841996;1534434971;mircea_popescu;how do you explain most english speakers suffer from the turkish idiocy (or, manchuko idiocy, if you prefer), where they fail to learn other languages ?
1841997;1534435001;mircea_popescu;italians naturally learn german, germans not so naturally. there's a fundamental problem with germanic languages ; and if one follows the tree, that problem is best realised in fino-ugric group.
1841998;1534435024;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-12#1823763
1841999;1534435024;a111;Logged on 2018-06-12 14:55 mircea_popescu: there's this joke in romania that "if you hear a hungarian speaking foreing languages you're looking at a jew".
1842000;1534435168;mircea_popescu;tu quoque, have spent time and effort doing all sorts of things with your life, none of which are bad or wrong per se. yet it never occured to you "must learn language" in any effectual sense. this'd be a natural occurence though, wouldn't you say ? what disocurred it for you ? how come you went in all the rooms in the palace but one ?
1842001;1534435206;mircea_popescu;~that~ would be the "lead poisoning" rather than some sort of mystical, unexaminable, forever-opressive miasma. it's just the simple thing, "hey, axototl, no tail ?" "yeah... no iodine where i live..."
1842002;1534435274;Mocky;i'm not in a position to say!
1842003;1534435374;mircea_popescu;hehe alright.
1842004;1534435386;Mocky;it did occur to me. went to the dominican republic some years ago for a summer, started learning spanish. but had no use for it back in the states
1842005;1534435393;mircea_popescu;see ?
1842006;1534435456;mircea_popescu;the fundamental problem with "happy" families is that they provide no intrinsic reason for offspring to "seek fortune" (as in the fairtyale trope).
1842007;1534435468;deedbot;http://ave1.org/2018/annotated-assembly-code-for-a-boot-record/ << ave1 - Annotated Assembly Code for a Boot Record
1842008;1534435476;mircea_popescu;ahhh this guy.
1842009;1534435479;*;mircea_popescu goes to read.
1842010;1534435636;Mocky;i do see it now actually, yes
1842011;1534435662;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform is the whole talk-to-kbd the replacement triple-fault to switch modes or whart ?
1842012;1534435692;mircea_popescu;ave1 you know it's a pleasure to revisit my childhood in your company.
1842013;1534435698;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu reads veryveryquickly, i still gotta eat $subj
1842014;1534435715;mircea_popescu;it's easy to read fast when you don't understand anything.
1842015;1534435756;asciilifeform;oh i think it's a chew-through of asciilifeform's traditional bootsect
1842016;1534435765;asciilifeform;( written circa '07 or so )
1842017;1534435767;mircea_popescu;it is yes.
1842018;1534436069;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: re kbd -- seealso http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-02#1222715
1842019;1534436069;a111;Logged on 2015-08-02 22:53 asciilifeform: for instance, the 'a20 gate' is almost certainly not actually implemented in your chipset
1842020;1534436103;asciilifeform;( it to this day is req'd , to turn on the 1MB addr line on pc ! because shitsandwich. )
1842021;1534436112;mircea_popescu;aha. but i vaguely recall, from my days of doing this 2decades+ ago, that the way to put processor from real to protected mode or back was a triple fault
1842022;1534436126;mircea_popescu;which i presume is WHY the gdr table is still 0 on 1st entry
1842023;1534436133;mircea_popescu;except i don't see the faulting code anymoar.
1842024;1534436136;asciilifeform;long gone is the intel 8042 chip; the idjicy lives on.
1842025;1534436215;ave1;I never looked into this in the 90s and now I have too learn
1842026;1534436218;asciilifeform;1 interesting detail is that you can get away with skipping certain parts of the incantation, on certain iron
1842027;1534436236;asciilifeform;but if you want a thing that runs on 100% of x64 boxen, incl. vm/emulators, you end up with whole song.
1842028;1534436244;mircea_popescu;ave1 in my mind, this sort of elaborate incantatorial nonsense is why i nodded along at alf's screaming for new procs historically.
1842029;1534436256;asciilifeform;https://www.win.tue.nl/~aeb/linux/kbd/A20.html << moar re a20
1842030;1534436275;mircea_popescu;tbh i don't think anyone at all familiar with the functioning of hardware init can propose the tradition is worth continuing with a straight face.
1842031;1534436329;asciilifeform;the tricky part is not the baking of sane arch -- a latrine cleaner from calcutta could prolly come up with a better one than intel. the tricky bit is to avoid replay of the history.
1842032;1534436339;mircea_popescu;quite.
1842033;1534436542;asciilifeform;ave1: i have nfi where e.g. 'line 47' is, all of your line #s are mangled
1842034;1534436598;asciilifeform;i'ma guess it was re : inc	dword [d_lba] , and it gets inc'd because it's the read position marker .
1842035;1534436820;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-16#1841997 << the otherwise-invisible failure to implement anything even approaching intelligence augmentation (or even the statistical AI crap) is never so obvious as when translating works in other languages on the touchscreendevices: why does 'iBooks' waste all of this time animating between the french and english translations of the book i'm working on; how is there after
1842036;1534436820;a111;Logged on 2018-08-16 15:56 mircea_popescu: italians naturally learn german, germans not so naturally. there's a fundamental problem with germanic languages ; and if one follows the tree, that problem is best realised in fino-ugric group.
1842037;1534436822;ben_vulpes;all this time no auto-interlineated de toqueville; and on and on
1842038;1534436836;ben_vulpes;turns out, absolutely no replacement for a large desk and several dictionaries
1842039;1534436839;mircea_popescu;quite.
1842040;1534436870;mircea_popescu;i manage quite well with digital lookup in dictionary flatfiles, but i suspect familiarity has a lot to do with it.
1842041;1534436942;asciilifeform;( http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2211 << obligdict )
1842042;1534436956;*;ben_vulpes began the exercise as a form of entertainment during a road trip recently; "hey baby what do you think of this translation" "what does X mean in context of Y"
1842043;1534436980;mircea_popescu;(perseus incidentally makes the value of digital dict quite apparent ; they have linked word frequency counts, very good collations of multiple dict/thesauri etc)
1842044;1534437001;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'm still waiting to ever see a dict like perseus for living langs
1842045;1534437013;mircea_popescu;i'd go as far as to say they set a standard.
1842046;1534437031;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform indeed. thing is, last thinking men in english retreated in greek. amusing how this went.
1842047;1534437105;ben_vulpes;trinque flagged whitaker's words for me as a latin dictionary (an ada artifact even!)
1842048;1534437120;trinque;that thing's lovely
1842049;1534437134;mircea_popescu;you should prolly publish this.
1842050;1534437157;ben_vulpes;which you, what this lol
1842051;1534437172;mircea_popescu;the flagged whitaker's words.
1842052;1534437178;mircea_popescu;and the ada artifact.
1842053;1534437197;trinque;yep, no guarantee it'll remain wherever I found it
1842054;1534437211;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-13#1582649 originally
1842055;1534437211;a111;Logged on 2016-12-13 15:07 trinque: speaking of relics, I just dug up WORDS
1842056;1534437215;mircea_popescu;also no guarantee it doesn't spark who knows what in who knows who's head.
1842057;1534437227;*;trinque will post
1842058;1534437307;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the probable "cause" for there not being sane dict for living langs, you realise, is that there IS such a thing as a cannonical body of greek, but "who is to say what anglovomit does not make the cut".
1842059;1534437310;mircea_popescu;see ?
1842060;1534437327;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: can take, idk, 1930s oxford dict, or whatnot
1842061;1534437330;asciilifeform;this is solvable problem
1842062;1534437364;mircea_popescu;learning languages, also solvable problem.
1842063;1534437373;mircea_popescu;you were discussing it not being solved.
1842064;1534437400;mircea_popescu;an' i betcha it's because they "don't feel" it "fair" to ~exclude~ anything. rendering any count impossible. which is very much the point.
1842065;1534437425;asciilifeform;'not solved' is not quite it. sanding parquet is also 'solved problem' even with hands and sand paper. but i'd rather have electric cycler.
1842066;1534437477;ben_vulpes;kids would rather sit around the table gabbling about whatever problems 0.00003% of the population have instead of sitting down and reading old shit about universals as what apply to 99.99% of the population
1842067;1534437502;mircea_popescu;the fact that anglotard english "does not have a cannonical body of works", the necessary result of "ameritards stole england's language but had no room in pocket for culture", resulted as it has in "no great american novel" makes it impossible for engl dept to see what classical lang dept did and do it one better.
1842068;1534437507;ben_vulpes;'haskellism' thread for those who mighta got something out of socrates.
1842069;1534437521;asciilifeform;ave1: re a20 'ret' -- pretty sure i nuked it when was cutting irrelevant cruft off the thing for orig publication
1842070;1534437525;asciilifeform;interesting that it still ran.
1842071;1534437536;mircea_popescu;interesting is one word for it...
1842072;1534437548;mircea_popescu;do you realise it runs by flag, somehow ?
1842073;1534437567;asciilifeform;well all it means is that the chip where i tested, does the out 0x64, ... from 1st shot
1842074;1534437580;asciilifeform;and we lose 2 byte of stack space.
1842075;1534437596;mircea_popescu;i guess. this may be even worth looking into.
1842076;1534437601;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if it dun fire, generally switch into longmode dun go.
1842077;1534437694;BingoBoingo; http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-16#1842067 << But we do have cut offs for when the potential American canon ends. 1910 in the general case and 1898 in the African American case.
1842078;1534437694;a111;Logged on 2018-08-16 16:38 mircea_popescu: the fact that anglotard english "does not have a cannonical body of works", the necessary result of "ameritards stole england's language but had no room in pocket for culture", resulted as it has in "no great american novel" makes it impossible for engl dept to see what classical lang dept did and do it one better.
1842079;1534437697;asciilifeform;i never wrote ave1-style article re subj, cuz depressingly loathesome crud, approx as interesting as ms winblowz api
1842080;1534437714;mircea_popescu;evidently made by the same people, too.
1842081;1534437720;asciilifeform;of course same.
1842082;1534437724;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo why 1898 ?
1842083;1534437772;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It's when Alexander Crummel died. Was a black nationalist who worked on making a black zion in Liberia, put skin into the game, mourned the results.
1842084;1534437864;mircea_popescu;i c
1842085;1534437882;BingoBoingo;Anything after that including Kim's husband has to fall into the general case
1842086;1534437928;asciilifeform;'Note that even in REAL mode the 32bit registers are available.' << they are, with prefix opcode . i wrote various msdosisms that way.
1842087;1534437949;asciilifeform;aka 'unreal mode'
1842088;1534437965;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-23#931766 << seealso
1842089;1534437965;a111;Logged on 2014-11-23 00:13 asciilifeform: http://wiki.osdev.org/Unreal_Mode
1842090;1534437972;asciilifeform;unfortunately yer still stuck with segments, there
1842091;1534437991;asciilifeform;( on some x64 chips, can even get '64b unreal', but not reliable )
1842092;1534438090;asciilifeform;ave1: if you're interested, i'll post the kernel loader at some pt, but you can easily write own, exercise.
1842093;1534438119;asciilifeform;somewhere i also have a pci bus init turd, etc
1842094;1534438138;asciilifeform;and a (nonworking) rt nic driver, and fuckknows what else.
1842095;1534438163;asciilifeform;as for uart, pretty sure that it's in the logs, posted a while back.
1842096;1534438189;asciilifeform;really you can make a x64 box do useful work, with just boot sect + kernel loader + uart.
1842097;1534438228;asciilifeform;( ffa in particular , only needs a stack, and 2 uarts, 1 for commands, 1 for FUCKGOATS ... )
1842098;1534438271;BingoBoingo;The whole crummel story is lulzy. Pan African runs over to Liberia in 1853 to raise a Christian Republic... Returns to the US in fear of the ascendant Liberian mulatto caste.
1842099;1534438359;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo possibly worth writing.
1842100;1534438398;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/08/new-zealand-bans-sale-of-homes-to-foreigners/ << Qntra - New Zealand Bans Sale Of Homes To Foreigners
1842101;1534438445;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Imma prolly have to do that in light of the parallels to Brazillian history.
1842102;1534438474;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: re qntra $item -- seems like they have similar laws in europistans, e.g. ro
1842103;1534438481;asciilifeform;no eu passport, no buy
1842104;1534438518;asciilifeform;hence the old thread where 'omfg , 20k usd for castle, why no one buys'
1842105;1534438544;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1730999 << re subj
1842106;1534438544;a111;Logged on 2017-10-31 15:15 asciilifeform: whole thing quite resembles the 'silver coin glued to the asphalt' everyone encounters in childhood
1842107;1534438618;asciilifeform;i've nfi why anybody with actual moneys would think of moving to 'five eyes' nz tho.
1842108;1534438636;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Sure, lots of places have similar deals. The point is all those silicon valley pantsuits who thought they had an out. Waiting for their paper to carry them across the Pacific so they could retire to Pokemon Go and hobbit fucking in New Zealand, except... The window closed on them.
1842109;1534438659;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: they'll have to shell out a mil or so for new passport, so what.
1842110;1534438671;asciilifeform;not as if this were serious dough to sv pantsuit.
1842111;1534438683;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: They needed that million to bid against the Chicoms
1842112;1534438689;asciilifeform;for comparison, ro passport was 800k or so, last i saw
1842113;1534438757;BingoBoingo;And German comes with a stipend if you convert to Islam
1842114;1534438762;ben_vulpes;looool
1842115;1534438773;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: gotta also spraypaint yer skin, lol
1842116;1534438789;BingoBoingo;Nah, naked sunbathing works
1842117;1534438791;ben_vulpes;there's always the jail stiped if you fly over and then turn tail
1842118;1534438806;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i think that's only in usa
1842119;1534438817;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: pretty sure the brits do it too
1842120;1534438819;asciilifeform;elsewhere they stuff you into the next plane back to anglostan
1842121;1534438884;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: in east europistan, you can walk around ~forever with expired visas, nobody gives half a shit until/unless you try to officially register something
1842122;1534438917;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that was always the case afaik.
1842123;1534438918;asciilifeform;( iirc problem happens if you come out and then try back in )
1842124;1534438921;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i mean the 'fly to terristostan, come home, get apprehended for aiding and abetting'
1842125;1534439056;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: just write that yer flying to get yer niece declitted, they'll wave you through..
1842126;1534439116;*;asciilifeform not yet been to dar al islam, cannot comment on how much paper headache
1842127;1534439128;mircea_popescu;not much
1842128;1534439140;mircea_popescu;iirc trilema even published some real estate paperwork from my stay there
1842129;1534439156;asciilifeform;well , notmuch for mircea_popescu , but possibly moar for anglozeks
1842130;1534439176;mircea_popescu;possibry. they did not like anglos much.
1842131;1534439183;mircea_popescu;fucking loved me, though.
1842132;1534439192;asciilifeform;angloproblems typically happen back home.
1842133;1534439235;asciilifeform;anglogulag dun have a wire fence , it is 'guarded by taiga'
1842134;1534439330;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: how come yer still in usa, anyway ? i thought you finally cut the tether a while back
1842135;1534439385;mircea_popescu;he's, by all appearances, being digested.
1842136;1534439391;asciilifeform;that suxx
1842137;1534439391;ben_vulpes;got lured into a bezzle
1842138;1534439407;mircea_popescu;started in duodeniscadia, moved through cardia into washingtomach, now being excreted into texasbowel.
1842139;1534439418;asciilifeform;aa the good sort of digested
1842140;1534439430;mircea_popescu;i just hope the anus isn't mexico city
1842141;1534439433;mircea_popescu;as all satmaps indicate.
1842142;1534439448;asciilifeform;what's wrong with mexicocity ?
1842143;1534439455;ben_vulpes;juarez is right there
1842144;1534439463;mircea_popescu;other than being the intercontinental asshole you mean ?
1842145;1534439486;asciilifeform;hard to picture a dourer arsehole than where asciilifeform is
1842146;1534439518;mircea_popescu;that's just a tumour. anal pore something else.
1842147;1534439574;ben_vulpes;less blue hair and fewer kilts as i move through the digestive tract
1842148;1534439577;ben_vulpes;ain't complaining
1842149;1534439606;ben_vulpes;haven't even heard a peep about putting trans rights into the corporate handbook in at least three years!
1842150;1534439623;BingoBoingo;The problem with Mexico is the strong government that either might not like you or might decide to have fun with your holes
1842151;1534439630;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: here , no kilts, just cardboard houses, decaying roads, 10bux/hr parking, and limba de lemn
1842152;1534439653;mircea_popescu;2bux/hr here. even moar expensive in ppc terms.
1842153;1534439662;mircea_popescu;locals are lucky if they get 10-15k pa.
1842154;1534439669;ben_vulpes;sadly, am peristalted into cardboardhouse bigzone
1842155;1534439673;BingoBoingo;Parking here expensive as well
1842156;1534439717;ben_vulpes;cars are expensive, what of it
1842157;1534439734;ben_vulpes;cult of motor is not for poorfags
1842158;1534439753;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: recall, usa is this peculiar gulag that's ~unnavigable w/out auto
1842159;1534439758;asciilifeform;it aint optional
1842160;1534439794;ben_vulpes;is auto optional in cr?
1842161;1534439805;asciilifeform;you'll find rusted tubs on the road that look like they belong in havana, owner changes hydraulic oil ~daily, but keeps the thing going , if he can't make rent he'll live in the tub, not having the tub is not option if you like eating
1842162;1534439829;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/fetlikeslol/ << Trilema - fetlikes.lol
1842163;1534439849;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: CR has orcycles
1842164;1534439866;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: but for humans
1842165;1534439910;BingoBoingo;gold plated helicopters?
1842166;1534439945;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes not really. ~only place auto is optional would be yurp.
1842167;1534439964;ben_vulpes;~only place builtup pre auto, not surprising
1842168;1534439972;mircea_popescu;quite.
1842169;1534440036;asciilifeform;there's a reason, i guess, why eu passport is 800k.
1842170;1534440051;ben_vulpes;and while the uncleals are convinced it'll be highway maintenance that blows a crater in the usg budget, i have high hopes that the heavy metal poisoning from 'vape pen' use will eclipse it by a few orders of magnitude
1842171;1534440062;mircea_popescu;afaik it's not even a "is x". if you're willing to spend some dough, like, buy a house or something, you can have it.
1842172;1534440092;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: dunno where this worx, in current ro is catch22
1842173;1534440101;mircea_popescu;how so ?
1842174;1534440107;asciilifeform;no passport, no title
1842175;1534440134;asciilifeform;iirc we had thread
1842176;1534440144;mircea_popescu;you register company, you have company receive some dough, which it can use however it pleases, such as buying you a dozen cars or a piece of real estate or w/e, then you use that for right of stay and eventually passport.
1842177;1534440150;mircea_popescu;or could just marry a local hussy.
1842178;1534440202;asciilifeform;iirc they also have variant where you sit in rented flat for 10y.
1842179;1534440205;asciilifeform;to same effect
1842180;1534440231;asciilifeform;i was speaking of human timescales, rather than 'the king may die, the horse may die' ones
1842181;1534440236;mircea_popescu;though might give you history / lang test, i dun recall
1842182;1534440246;asciilifeform;that aint hard part for anybody with half a brain
1842183;1534440249;mircea_popescu;i don't get it, what;s the rush ?
1842184;1534440263;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: to get the fuck off usg's tax rolls, say
1842185;1534440283;mircea_popescu;that will never happen ; usg will forever pretend you owe it money no matter what
1842186;1534440290;mircea_popescu;recall soviet jews ?
1842187;1534440293;asciilifeform;there's pretend, there's collect, neh
1842188;1534440302;mircea_popescu;leave the premises, let them collect
1842189;1534440314;mircea_popescu;i got a buncha girlies in "default" about imaginary "debts".
1842190;1534440328;mircea_popescu;they'll be collected upon sometime after i fuck ivanka.
1842191;1534440344;asciilifeform;soon as i grow enuff brain to find how to eat without working for anglo-lame, i'ma do exactly as pictured
1842192;1534440425;asciilifeform;( admittedly 'eat' is broad concept for asciilifeform , includes 'microscopy budget' )
1842193;1534440431;asciilifeform;!!up diana_away
1842194;1534440432;deedbot;diana_away voiced for 30 minutes.
1842195;1534440453;diana_away;thanks asciilifeform !
1842196;1534440454;ben_vulpes;shed thirty years and three tonnes, do css on fiverr for bitdribbles
1842197;1534440455;asciilifeform;diana_away: sunny mircea_popescustan ?
1842198;1534440483;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: why stop there, i hear amoeba can live on <1cal/day
1842199;1534440486;diana_away;yes; almost too hot atm
1842200;1534440509;mircea_popescu;o check her out. how goes diana_away ?
1842201;1534440511;diana_away;eeringly similar to Romania not so many years ago on various levels
1842202;1534440526;diana_away;although the diminutive toyota sort-of-cars are funy
1842203;1534440545;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform see ? women have advantage of slavery!
1842204;1534440558;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: couldn't disagree
1842205;1534440860;asciilifeform;diana_away: seen ocelot yet ?
1842206;1534440872;mircea_popescu;lmao\
1842207;1534440889;asciilifeform;or at least gekko
1842208;1534440899;diana_away;asciilifeform: lol! so far made inventory of wind turbines on top of hill, huge butterflies and weird, coloured insects
1842209;1534440909;diana_away;and coconuts + vendor on a sort of trike
1842210;1534440923;*;asciilifeform intends to see mircea_popescustan some time this yr
1842211;1534440933;mircea_popescu;cool
1842212;1534440945;mircea_popescu;diana_away tried a papaya yet ?
1842213;1534440961;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: interestingly, we have papaya here, flown from.. cr
1842214;1534440974;mircea_popescu;i bet.
1842215;1534441025;diana_away;mircea_popescu: I guess I'll give it another try, I never liked papaya; I do like those tiny bananas
1842216;1534441049;mircea_popescu;gotta get it from the peasant guys rtho, supermarket fruit is ~ok.
1842217;1534441366;asciilifeform;i'd also look for the 'dying hdd bird'
1842218;1534441391;mircea_popescu;cicada.
1842219;1534441397;asciilifeform;aah
1842220;1534441404;mircea_popescu;not season yet tho. blessfully.
1842221;1534441406;asciilifeform;and meat of iguana
1842222;1534441418;asciilifeform;hm i had nfi that mircea_popescustan had seasons
1842223;1534441432;mircea_popescu;insects do lol.
1842224;1534441442;asciilifeform;aa makes sense
1842225;1534441459;asciilifeform;i'd imagine theirs would be 'sliding' tho, if the terrain has none
1842226;1534441462;mircea_popescu;that whole genera is very time bound, has 7 year periods and whatnot
1842227;1534441466;mircea_popescu;nope.
1842228;1534441473;asciilifeform;interesting
1842229;1534441488;mircea_popescu;insect timekeeping, it's a weird thing. possibly sideral.
1842230;1534441522;asciilifeform;they could even be synced to some migratory lifeform that hangs out where there ~are~ seasons
1842231;1534441526;trinque;we've got the cicadas up this way too, astonishingly loud
1842232;1534441539;asciilifeform;trinque: cicada month here, also, ear-splitting
1842233;1534441555;asciilifeform;i was doing some work with a large tree, fulla'em
1842234;1534441570;trinque;I like the alien little buggers
1842235;1534441627;mircea_popescu;but they totally are fucking alien.
1842236;1534441643;asciilifeform;they live, for, what, 20yr inside the earth..
1842237;1534441647;trinque;sound like they oughta be able to eviscerate a man in swarm
1842238;1534441654;mircea_popescu;depends on species, but yes, multiyear
1842239;1534441694;asciilifeform;i was here for the 17-yr collision of three species, was unspeakably loud, as in firing-range loud
1842240;1534441788;mircea_popescu;yes, this sort of thing happens, they have different periods so sometimes collide.
1842241;1534441791;mircea_popescu;all-bugs day.
1842242;1534441804;asciilifeform;month
1842243;1534441824;mircea_popescu;right.
1842244;1534442092;BingoBoingo;One of my university stints placed me in an emergence. pretty tasty critters.
1842245;1534442110;asciilifeform;'mana from heaven' lel
1842246;1534442149;BingoBoingo;But you gotta sort em. Males are nothing but shells full of air for the noise making. Gotta eat the females
1842247;1534442238;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: yes, and uncannily ties in with prev thread..
1842248;1534442240;asciilifeform;!!up diana_away
1842249;1534442241;deedbot;diana_away voiced for 30 minutes.
1842250;1534442875;mircea_popescu;!!key diana_away
1842251;1534442876;deedbot;Not registered.
1842252;1534442877;mircea_popescu;noob.
1842253;1534443500;asciilifeform;in other noose, asciilifeform obtained and testing a LTC3108 , 'energy harvester', they've become cheapo
1842254;1534443524;asciilifeform;thing eats >=20mV , from wherever, and charges 4 1F 'supercaps'
1842255;1534443565;asciilifeform;( 'wherever' includes, e.g., pv panels glued to tritium glow tube, or peltier to iron stake, or even antenna, if convenient geography )
1842256;1534443581;diana_away;lmao; totally noob
1842257;1534443809;BingoBoingo;Congrats trinque on what appears to be the sync of your Pizarro node
1842258;1534443816;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/bhz1i << subj detail, for serious aficionados
1842259;1534443880;ben_vulpes;haw someone just sent me an ad for a nylon "posture brace"; not that a brace is going to do anything for the lump of muscle developing at the base of millenial skulls from supporting their heads at a thirty-degree angle all day
1842260;1534443898;ben_vulpes;the problem isn't your /posture/, kids, it's your /lifestyle/
1842261;1534443930;ben_vulpes;head UP! tits OUT! hips TILTED BACK!
1842262;1534443948;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: lol! as in https://paulaaleksandra.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/headclamp.jpg !?
1842263;1534443999;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: https://www.primateco.com/collections/products/products/posture-brace
1842264;1534444060;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: recall the hypertrophies of 19th c railroad men. 'so, don't work on the railroad, then!' ( oblig http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-19#1243116 )
1842265;1534444060;a111;Logged on 2015-08-19 00:18 asciilifeform: cabbie: 'this ford is a piece of shit. stalled again.' mircea_popescu: 'i have a solution!' cabbie: 'oh???111' mircea_popescu: 'here, have this broomstick.'  cabbie: 'how do i drive customers on that, feed my family'  mircea_popescu: 'you misunderstand, my good man. you stuff it in your arse.' cabbie: 'and... how does this feed by family?' mircea_popescu: 'no, you sit there with it in.'
1842266;1534444110;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i don't actually know of this deformity
1842267;1534444126;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: if you saw 'popeye' character, you've seen it
1842268;1534444156;asciilifeform;( picture d00d, thin as a matchstick, but 50kg top half )
1842269;1534444250;trinque;BingoBoingo: indeed, thanks!
1842270;1534444253;ben_vulpes;never skip leg day
1842271;1534444267;trinque;about time I announced it, seems like
1842272;1534444807;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://archive.is/zOItL << openssh quasi-0day -- can enumerate machine users
1842273;1534444884;ben_vulpes;hm lemonde blocks archive.is?
1842274;1534444903;ben_vulpes;anyways, non-news https://www.lemonde.fr/addictions/article/2018/08/16/etats-unis-72-000-personnes-mortes-d-une-overdose-en-2017-un-record_5343199_1655173.html
1842275;1534444931;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: seealso e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-18#1685961
1842276;1534444931;a111;Logged on 2017-07-18 13:28 asciilifeform: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170718/#143 << they're already 'eltsining' to death , with the good old bottle, no fancy dope needed necessarily
1842277;1534444931;scriba;Logged on 2017-07-18: [05:45:01] <mircea_popescu> gotta cut the total male-years somehow, and chem cockcage prolly even cheaper than the steel item.
1842278;1534445078;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The fancy dope tends to cause less collateral damage when it works suddenly. When bottle takes suddenly usually a motor vehicle is involved
1842279;1534445103;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: sorta why usg is pushing eltsining-through-opium paradigm
1842280;1534445198;BingoBoingo;Well, that and the opportunity to run the printing press and spread bezzel to favored lizards bringing back a number of them along the way
1842281;1534445351;trinque;!!deed http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Rj7RB/?raw=true
1842282;1534445355;deedbot;accepted: 1
1842283;1534445369;asciilifeform;congrats trinque
1842284;1534445371;mircea_popescu;buttseks.
1842285;1534445495;deedbot;http://trinque.org/2018/08/16/new-trb-node-at-1610121250/ << trinque - New TRB Node at 161.0.121.250
1842286;1534445534;asciilifeform;trinque: out of curiosity, how long sync took ? ( and was it with 'aggression' ? )
1842287;1534445644;trinque;I switched to aggression midway, after waiting months, and from there took a few weeks
1842288;1534445665;trinque;before aggression, I saw long periods where it wasn't doing a damned thing
1842289;1534445669;asciilifeform;aa
1842290;1534445689;asciilifeform;is the expected picture, yes
1842291;1534446160;trinque;mod6: ^ whenever you get a chance, got a new node for ya
1842292;1534446915;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/bundle-537073.txt
1842293;1534448938;mod6;trinque: ack
1842294;1534448951;mod6;Thanks for letting me know.
1842295;1534452266;asciilifeform;in other heathenlulz, '25 years of debian'
1842296;1534457555;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/08/usg-sues-free-texas-radio-station-over-outlaw-broadcasting/ << Qntra - USG Sues Free Texas Radio Station Over Outlaw Broadcasting
1842297;1534458788;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: re qntra -- i was listening to that very station just last wk
1842298;1534458809;asciilifeform;( it , funnily enuff, was the ~only thing that could be heard here ! )
1842299;1534458841;asciilifeform;or hm nm
1842300;1534458848;asciilifeform;this wasn't his sw station
1842301;1534458853;asciilifeform;but some local thing
1842302;1534458896;asciilifeform;'90.1 frequency in Austin' << yea definitely not the sw.
1842303;1534459095;asciilifeform;'We expect that letters so addressed would more properly come from your company's International Bureau and then only after there's been some treaty of other discovered to which we are signators' << >> http://trilema.com/2013/the-sops-or-what-might-you-expect-from-government-clerks/#selection-163.0-163.589 ( & elsewhere lulz )
1842304;1534459101;asciilifeform;!#s sovereign citizen
1842305;1534459101;a111;13 results for "sovereign citizen", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=sovereign%20citizen
1842306;1534459134;asciilifeform;^ peculiarly-usaschwitz tradition, pretty much exactly like snake oil cures but for usg.bureaucratic problems
1842307;1534459406;asciilifeform;upstack, the thing i find extralulzy re the shortrange/fm 'pirates', is that for no apparent reason, they refuse to use the most obvious anti-df pill -- multiple geographically-dispersed antennae operating b/w pi and 2pi out of phase
1842308;1534459428;asciilifeform;easily raises cost of df 100x
1842309;1534459479;asciilifeform;( effect -- transmitter appears to fly )
1842310;1534459481;*;asciilifeform bbl,meat
1842311;1534460585;jurov;asciilifeform: is it so easy to maintain the phase? i imagine that requires nanosecond precision clock or one central source with feed lines?
1842312;1534461903;BingoBoingo;Precision clocks aren't too expensive if you aren't trying to fly them, but it's yet another thing to power
1842313;1534463777;mod6;trinque: updated the Advertised Republican Node list with 161.0.121.250 - Cheers!
1842314;1534464604;asciilifeform;meanwhile in lulzplagiarism, https://cybermashup.files.wordpress.com/2018/08/amiet-romailler-reaping-keys-final-slides.pdf << ( yes pdfturd ) >> best usg.phuctor to date
1842315;1534464634;asciilifeform;jurov: nope, simply needs the nodes to pick up ~each other~. sorta 'firing squad problem', i will leave it as exercise
1842316;1534464667;mod6;once we have a text-client for eulora, will work pretty great on a rockchip
1842317;1534464740;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: pretty lulzy , d00d presented 'his' work at the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-10#1840795 thing, and loox like even ripped our ui etc
1842318;1534464740;a111;Logged on 2018-08-10 13:11 asciilifeform: ould be prosecuted if he stepped foot in the hotel again... "Sir, your speech has consequences so you better think about that in the future before you threaten," was another comment from the security team.'
1842319;1534464782;*;asciilifeform found $subj via mats, dedicated entomologist
1842320;1534464844;asciilifeform;'Found vulnerable keys on Keybase.io, Github.com and Gitlab.com!' etc etc
1842321;1534464853;mod6;!!ledger
1842322;1534464858;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/a5mrw/?raw=true
1842323;1534464864;asciilifeform;https://keylookup.kudelskisecurity.com << subj
1842324;1534464880;asciilifeform;'As part of the Kudelski Group, Kudelski Security embodies the same innovative spirit that has inspired the company since its creation in 1951' << didjaknow
1842325;1534464893;asciilifeform;name sounds familiar, i could've sworn d00d popped up in l0gz, lessee,
1842326;1534464898;asciilifeform;!#s kudelski
1842327;1534464898;a111;1 result for "kudelski", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=kudelski
1842328;1534464919;mod6;!!sent-invoices
1842329;1534464923;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/mqAIY/?raw=true
1842330;1534464929;asciilifeform;hm possibly not..
1842331;1534464941;shinohai;asciilifeform 's slides ... complete with lame memes xD
1842332;1534464957;asciilifeform;lol
1842333;1534464971;asciilifeform;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/SYOeQ/?raw=true << txt of pdfturd, for the lulzrecord
1842334;1534464973;mod6;heeeeey, what up shinohai
1842335;1534465003;asciilifeform;shinohai: funny how they never bother to straight up and lift the popped mods from phuctor
1842336;1534465016;shinohai;heya mod6
1842337;1534465130;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: sorta hilarious, imho, took usg 5 whole yrs to finally implement bernstein ( supposing thing even worx, i haven't found the giving shit to actually try it )
1842338;1534465244;mod6;haha, 'https' site even.  weeeeee
1842339;1534465250;asciilifeform;but of course
1842340;1534465258;mod6;smh
1842341;1534465279;asciilifeform;embrace&extend!1111
1842342;1534465376;lobbes;I love how their 'demo' slide is blank.
1842343;1534465582;mod6;these orcs straight up ripped off s.nsa
1842344;1534465706;asciilifeform;mod6: not even any orc, but Official usg 'seekooority' contract house, lol
1842345;1534465728;shinohai;Stoopid freenode
1842346;1534465740;asciilifeform;not even boeck's 10min perl thing, but finally a http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-19#1615434 job
1842347;1534465740;a111;Logged on 2017-02-19 03:54 asciilifeform: (iirc we had a thread where i described how corporate ameritards, if given a problem like phuctor, would happily soak up a few $mil and megawatt of iron)
1842348;1534465808;asciilifeform;embrace, extend, unhappen
1842349;1534466320;asciilifeform;next , naturally, will come the linkage from erry 'respectable' seekoority rag, then the 100mil google-microshit buyout, etc
1842350;1534466370;mod6;weak
1842351;1534466383;asciilifeform;hm?
1842352;1534466559;asciilifeform;i mean, it seems like a pretty standard http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-26#1632664 play
1842353;1534466559;a111;Logged on 2017-03-26 15:03 mp_en_viaje: basically a novel vector of imperial attack seems to be this "let's take republican items and ~EXPAND~ the downstream so that siberian river attack is then feasible".
1842354;1534466583;mats;i wonder what 280 vCPUs cost an hour, dayum
1842355;1534466596;asciilifeform;mats: 0, if you're usg and already have'em, neh
1842356;1534466623;asciilifeform;btw wb mats
1842357;1534466676;mats;ty
1842358;1534466721;trinque;thanks mod6 !
1842359;1534466905;asciilifeform;i was about to add 'next will be usg.clone pseudo-FUCKGOATS' but remembered , they already released several , all of course with whitening and voltage booster pissing oscillation into power rail , and afaik all 2 (3? 4?) of'em even less popular than FG ( because why to buy whitened turdrng, intel ships for free on-die )
1842360;1534466981;asciilifeform;so perhaps instead, idk, 'blizzard' clones eulora, 'we nao have in-game btc!'-with-aml-kyc-crapola, etc
1842361;1534467008;shinohai;I was about to say, can take pick of whitened rng's online nau
1842362;1534467009;asciilifeform;and usg.pseudo-deedbot is iirc a 2015 item
1842363;1534467119;asciilifeform;i dun expect a usg.pseudo-v, item is prolly intrinsically incomprehensible to the subhuman-idcardcarriers . but whoknows.
1842364;1534467160;lobbes;I mean, they can ersatz all day. It'll do ~0 from a human perspective
1842365;1534467182;lobbes;save for lulz
1842366;1534467207;asciilifeform;lobbes: it doesn't particularly need to 'do', it is part of the maintenance work for the parallel universe they (+ the herd of 'just wanters' , naturally )live in
1842367;1534467388;asciilifeform;the ultimate point, i suspect, is to help unglue nascent Framedragger's ( a la http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1637689 thread ) from tmsr
1842368;1534467388;a111;Logged on 2017-04-05 14:07 Framedragger: mircea_popescu: what original thing did they take from phuctor, may i ask?
1842369;1534467411;asciilifeform;^ thread worth reread
1842370;1534467437;asciilifeform;in re e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1637724 aspect
1842371;1534467437;a111;Logged on 2017-04-05 14:20 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the interesting bit is that the enemy applies mircea_popescu's 'outsiders may NOT have ideas'  thing quite well. 'oh, those terrorists made sonething? hiw cute. we'll take it and get $100 mil in grantola.'
1842372;1534467465;mod6;trinque: yw
1842373;1534467643;*;asciilifeform brb,meat
1842374;1534467735;mats;asciilifeform: have you put the 'CRoCS' set they refer to, into phuctor?
1842375;1534468795;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform of course. most of the apparently functional parts of the empire are simply republican-tech-with-serials-filed-off, in this case "implicit" rather than explicit.
1842376;1534469031;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-17#1842367<< that was a good reread, ty. I never thought of the 'unglue nascent Framedraggers' angle but that does seem to be worst effect of the disregarding of the knowledge-chain (http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1637752)
1842377;1534469031;a111;Logged on 2018-08-17 00:56 asciilifeform: the ultimate point, i suspect, is to help unglue nascent Framedragger's ( a la http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1637689 thread ) from tmsr
1842378;1534469031;a111;Logged on 2017-04-05 14:26 mircea_popescu: this chaining of knowledge, for your info, is the CORE of academia.
1842379;1534469068;asciilifeform;mats: we can dump in usg.curated snoarcollection right after we run out of errything else, i guess. which won't be soon.
1842380;1534469115;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this one seems to be of the explicit, fwiw, kind
1842381;1534469124;asciilifeform;unless i misparsed the sentence
1842382;1534469341;mircea_popescu;just talking generally.
1842383;1534469353;asciilifeform;lobbes: near as i can tell, their angle of attack is a) make sure intelligent n00bz dun run the risk of finding way into tmsr b) in the slim chance they find, make sure they're adequately teflon-coated, and dun risk sticking
1842384;1534469365;mats;asciilifeform: what else is left?
1842385;1534469396;asciilifeform;mats: most of yours !
1842386;1534469407;asciilifeform;then sks replay
1842387;1534469415;asciilifeform;then realtime scans, etc
1842388;1534469534;mircea_popescu;a public service altogether.
1842389;1534469544;asciilifeform;mats: not to mention, the orthogonal puzzler re mikrotik etc
1842390;1534469610;asciilifeform;thing is, any idjit (turns out ) can bernsteinize
1842391;1534469631;asciilifeform;but not erry -- can (+ will) burn the originating usgola
1842392;1534469654;asciilifeform;which is imho next proper order of biznis for phuctor, generally speaking
1842393;1534469697;mats;asciilifeform: i think i found the crocs set in a google drive folder
1842394;1534469723;asciilifeform;i.e. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-12#1841177
1842395;1534469723;a111;Logged on 2018-08-12 23:37 asciilifeform: the huawei crapola, for instance, i'm quite convinced at this point would be 100% breakable if anybody got hold of a unit and forced it to generate keys 24/7 for a coupla months
1842396;1534469753;mats;how would you automate clean boot and key gen?
1842397;1534469783;asciilifeform;mats: how is it a problem on FG-equipped box ?
1842398;1534469805;asciilifeform;no fg, no key genning, caseclosed
1842399;1534469806;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-16#1842311 << it's not easy to maintain phase in the absolute ; but it's radio, with error correction you can get out of the jam
1842400;1534469806;a111;Logged on 2018-08-16 23:03 jurov: asciilifeform: is it so easy to maintain the phase? i imagine that requires nanosecond precision clock or one central source with feed lines?
1842401;1534469824;mats;i thought the point is to make a mikrotik or huawei produce a broken key in its natural environment? to expand the db of factors?
1842402;1534469850;asciilifeform;mats: aa. with soldered probes, of course
1842403;1534469854;asciilifeform;how else
1842404;1534469857;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-17#1842317 << expect a lot of these. intellectual leadership essentially means, every hormonal teenager will tell the girls in his class, "oh, mp, we're opld friends"
1842405;1534469857;a111;Logged on 2018-08-17 00:12 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pretty lulzy , d00d presented 'his' work at the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-10#1840795 thing, and loox like even ripped our ui etc
1842406;1534469866;mircea_popescu;then they come into my basement and we lulz at it. what can you do.
1842407;1534469891;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: as i pointed earlier, it aint the first rip, simply the most polished afaik to date
1842408;1534469909;mircea_popescu;pretty much whole "corporate" portion of www consists of this anyway.
1842409;1534469917;mircea_popescu;we should never have permitted them online.
1842410;1534469934;asciilifeform;for some reason phuctor took'em 5y, i've nfi why
1842411;1534469984;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-17#1842349 <<< and the inexplicable "why is mp offering half a bitcent for the entire usg.tech directorate ?!?!?!"
1842412;1534469984;a111;Logged on 2018-08-17 00:38 asciilifeform: next , naturally, will come the linkage from erry 'respectable' seekoority rag, then the 100mil google-microshit buyout, etc
1842413;1534470031;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-17#1842360 << it'll be pretty lulzy, this.
1842414;1534470031;a111;Logged on 2018-08-17 00:49 asciilifeform: so perhaps instead, idk, 'blizzard' clones eulora, 'we nao have in-game btc!'-with-aml-kyc-crapola, etc
1842415;1534470047;mircea_popescu;eulora rather harder to copy than meets the fly eye.
1842416;1534470074;asciilifeform;hey, 5yr and 100m, can chinacopy anyffing neh
1842417;1534470094;asciilifeform;( and then ban orig from searchengines etc )
1842418;1534470105;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-17#1842367 << seriously, this is a major help. i really really REALLY don't want a buncha bois in here. i'd much prefer the field be mostly female, and mostly my slavegirls.
1842419;1534470105;a111;Logged on 2018-08-17 00:56 asciilifeform: the ultimate point, i suspect, is to help unglue nascent Framedragger's ( a la http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1637689 thread ) from tmsr
1842420;1534470111;mircea_popescu;i don't hold it against the males that manage to make it
1842421;1534470131;mircea_popescu;but the notion that anyone ever wanted a male is the most ridiculous nonsense ever. other than for steaks, xy has no use.
1842422;1534470140;asciilifeform;field?
1842423;1534470167;asciilifeform;possibly mircea_popescu already succeeded, cuz i wasn't aware there was a field..
1842424;1534470169;mircea_popescu;the republic loses nothing / gains nothing whether adlai/framedragger/whatever is in or out.
1842425;1534470201;mircea_popescu;the marginal value of the marginal male is 0.
1842426;1534470221;asciilifeform;the value of nonmarginal is >0 tho
1842427;1534470235;mircea_popescu;but the nonmarginal doesn't have the problem here discussed, as part of the definition of nonmarginal.
1842428;1534470311;asciilifeform;and we still dun have , e.g., microscopist, dunno, rocketeer, barrister, artist, fughet what else
1842429;1534470333;mircea_popescu;certainly. but we also don't need weak ones for any purpose (or, in that sense, already "have")
1842430;1534470348;asciilifeform;nobody needs weak, lol
1842431;1534470363;asciilifeform;'can play violin?' 'dunno, not tried'
1842432;1534470380;mircea_popescu;in short, "teflon-coatable" noobs ~should~ be teflon coated. god knows i do everything i can to help the coating.
1842433;1534470413;mircea_popescu;so do you. it's after all how fg ended up named fg, isn't it. and how we got rid of, eg, pete_douchenski
1842434;1534470414;mircea_popescu;and so on.
1842435;1534470443;mircea_popescu;there's great value in getting rid of code. greater than in "acquiring" code. same is true of people. getting rid is a great boon.
1842436;1534470468;asciilifeform;imho e.g. Framedragger, ~could~ have grown up to be serious fella with serious work
1842437;1534470476;mircea_popescu;evidently this is not so.
1842438;1534470491;mircea_popescu;what "could" is this ? if he could he would neh.
1842439;1534470569;asciilifeform;i can see mircea_popescu pov, and cannot actually find with waht to disagree, luzlily came not long ago from ww2 thread in ru planet where 'the surrenderees are in fact biologically defective' and also dun disagree there either
1842440;1534470746;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: getting rid of surrenderers, panickeers, etc is god'swork. this being said, i'd still prefer 24 strong partizans in band to 12, and 30 better even.
1842441;1534470772;asciilifeform;( beyond 30, prolly pushing it )
1842442;1534470805;asciilifeform;but 'if wishes were horses' etc
1842443;1534471265;asciilifeform;and must note, we have quite minimal spare people , for when we begin to be killed.
1842444;1534471436;asciilifeform;( perhaps mircea_popescu can breed in his tanks a new set, if this becomes problem!1)
1842445;1534471574;asciilifeform;i didn't shed any tears for pete_dushenski, he did 0 but to pass gas . Framedragger's defection did cost a yr of keyhunt, tho, arguably
1842446;1534471613;asciilifeform;aint much , but still a chore that there were no free hands to do until recently ( thx mats! for doing it )
1842447;1534471830;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-17#1842399 << thread was re ordinary analogue voice radio, such that can be heard on konsoomer set. but even there, solvable, if nobody answers the riddle, i'll eventually say how
1842448;1534471830;a111;Logged on 2018-08-17 01:36 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-16#1842311 << it's not easy to maintain phase in the absolute ; but it's radio, with error correction you can get out of the jam
1842449;1534471843;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform im not even sure i prefer 24 partizans to 12. the costs mount exponentially with size.
1842450;1534471864;mircea_popescu;if you add the SAME quality elements, you actually end up at a size past which the cost of addition exceeds the value of it.
1842451;1534471871;mircea_popescu;if you add better elements, you're well advise to purge.
1842452;1534471910;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform also, what you call "chore" is mislabeled. my whips spend most of the day hanging. when they do work, the work they do, named "pain", is properly speaking education.
1842453;1534471943;mircea_popescu;the chores we have are ~beneficial~ for the noob. HE gains by them. they're chores in the sense http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-16#509012 "eating is chore"
1842454;1534471943;a111;Logged on 2014-02-16 22:04 asciilifeform: old man: 'drown him, father, drown, drown.'
1842455;1534471986;asciilifeform;nao asciilifeform is not partizan commander, mircea_popescu is better equipped to say why 12 and not 6 and not 24. all i can go from is history. 12 is thin.
1842456;1534472001;mircea_popescu;depends altogether what you're doing.
1842457;1534472008;asciilifeform;verily
1842458;1534472144;mircea_popescu;anyway. the world's salvation is work for the world's own hands. i feel no obligation towards it ; i feel an obligation towards my having a good time and that's all. if the world's ready to work i'll show it how and if it's not ready to work i'll just talk to my girls. the only thing with something to lose in the republic-world binome is the world.
1842459;1534472195;asciilifeform;i'd suspect sumthing is off if mircea_popescu had answered differently, lol
1842460;1534472207;mircea_popescu;in which spirit, the teflon-coatable noobs absolutely should be coated. fucking dipped in bronze, why not.
1842461;1534472656;asciilifeform;i dun disagree with mircea_popescu re subj ( with the perhaps obv diff that i dun have, outside of tmsr, cocaineyacht to retreat into, only  the proverbial bottle )
1842462;1534472694;asciilifeform;so i dun have any retreatin' planned.
1842463;1534473995;mircea_popescu;well... honestly the bottle a lot less sinkable than the yacht.
1842464;1534474029;mircea_popescu;anyway, this whole "from the perspective of moronworld" discussion is such nonsense. who the fuck ever cared, seriously now.
1842465;1534474645;asciilifeform;fungi dun have perspective, lel
1842466;1534513992;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in other shoelace-and-gum copies of tmsr artifacts, http://edgecase.net/pages/how_to_buy_edgecase_credits << d00d with a kinda blog, tried to copy mircea_popescu's old paid-articles scheme (spoiler : dunwork) -- ( http://edgecase.net has coupla possibly-interesting items, compiler-wranglings, translations of old lit, btc tx likbez of sorts, etc )
1842467;1534514051;asciilifeform;curious whether anybody knows him. or is 'wolf man'.
1842468;1534514201;asciilifeform;dredged up d00d via script that digs for refs to trb in heathendom. turns out, he hosts mirror of trb patches ( they dun seem to be discussed in articles tho, near as i can see )
1842469;1534516162;*;mod6 looks
1842470;1534516663;mod6;!!reputation stjohn_piano
1842471;1534516664;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Yq9X1/?raw=true
1842472;1534516821;mod6;warez the mirror at?  agree, didn't see the links to it in articles. bunch of MP & trilema quotes tho.
1842473;1534517735;asciilifeform;mod6: http://edgecase.net/articles/2017-11-25_edgecase_datafeed_article_21_2017-11-25_stjohn_piano_compiling_bitcoind_trb_054_on_debian_711/rotor.tar.gz.asc , http://edgecase.net/articles/2017-11-25_edgecase_datafeed_article_21_2017-11-25_stjohn_piano_compiling_bitcoind_trb_054_on_debian_711/programmable-versionstring.vpatch , buncha others
1842474;1534517796;mod6;ah thx asciilifeform
1842475;1534517853;asciilifeform;mod6: d00d doesn't seem to have anything of substance written re subj tho.
1842476;1534518232;*;asciilifeform bbl--meat
1842477;1534518499;mod6;ok sooo he did get a trb built from the guide and get it running.  not sure why he never stopped in here.  and ya, looks like he just grabbed everything and mirrored it on his site.
1842478;1534518898;mod6;guy did an "OFFLINE" build, took some pretty decent notes too. nb.
1842479;1534521167;mircea_popescu;to continue for no apparent reasons the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-29#1830805 discussion : romanian has a conjunctive pluperfect with role of imperative ("de dimineata ne-au dat omleta dar eu am citit ziarul si acum mi-e foame" "~sa fi mincat~ atunci." ie in the morning they put out omelette but i was reading the newspaper and now im hungry -- you should have eaten then
1842480;1534521167;a111;Logged on 2018-06-29 18:26 mircea_popescu: ma dusei la mindra-n sura si-i copsei o tochitura ?
1842481;1534521234;mircea_popescu;AS WELL AS a ~homonymous~ conjunctive pluperfect with conditional-optative role, "sa fi stiut de dimineata, mincam" ie had i known then, i would have.
1842482;1534521249;mircea_popescu;in fact, it's not clear to me the verbal tensions of romanian were ~EVER~ ennumerated.
1842483;1534521313;mircea_popescu;language was hastily (and ineptly) codified late 19th century with union, then there were two major wars (and two minor ones romania was a major actor in) and then 50 years of stalinist freeze during which no serious scholarship was produced. and hence they're too stupid and too lazy to even make a proper dictionary. so actually, romanian grammar still awaits its hero.
1842484;1534521337;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform afaik wolfman
1842485;1534522015;mircea_popescu;how managed "bunch of MP & trilema quotes tho" with no pingbacks is anyone's guess.
1842486;1534522177;mod6;yeah, you'd think someone would have run into it before now.
1842487;1534522357;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-17#1842477 << i gotta invoke mircea_popescu's oxcart here -- http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-17#1835417
1842488;1534522357;a111;Logged on 2018-08-17 15:08 mod6: ok sooo he did get a trb built from the guide and get it running.  not sure why he never stopped in here.  and ya, looks like he just grabbed everything and mirrored it on his site.
1842489;1534522357;a111;Logged on 2018-07-17 02:42 asciilifeform: 'they cloink a coupla with the sledgehammer so as to break down the find into shards the size they can fit in a pocket, after which they stick it on their oxcart'
1842490;1534522460;mircea_popescu;can't believe it's  a 2018 quote, that, seeing how it actually traces to a 2011 article ( http://trilema.com/2011/romanul-si-marea/#selection-67.418-67.537 )
1842491;1534522512;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: pretty sure it got replayed coupla times b/w '11 and nao
1842492;1534522527;mircea_popescu;tru
1842493;1534522568;mod6;asciilifeform: ah, yea, oxcart
1842494;1534522642;mod6;anyway, that stuff is stale now he has posted since I've now update the vtree.  would have been good if he'd have only linked thebitcoin.foundation, instead of making heathen copies of his own.  he even renamed the 'V' files.
1842495;1534522971;mircea_popescu;mod6 in which vein, http://trilema.com/2014/the-serious-ipo-a-moment-in-the-life-and-times-of-forum-investing/ "would have been good if retard had a gf"
1842496;1534523054;mod6;lol
1842497;1534523155;mircea_popescu;ikr.
1842498;1534523175;BingoBoingo;!!pay mod6 0.1
1842499;1534523178;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Y8Olp/?raw=true
1842500;1534523216;BingoBoingo;!!v 5BF6A87AE582D0B8C13E2BEAF64F72D661FA914EA2A1226725B36A30CCC9E3DF
1842501;1534523219;deedbot;BingoBoingo paid mod6 0.1
1842502;1534523223;mod6;o7
1842503;1534523230;mod6;Thank you, Sir!
1842504;1534523236;mod6;!!ledger
1842505;1534523240;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ft51Q/?raw=true
1842506;1534524359;asciilifeform;mod6: hey, at least wolf d00d didn't go to whatevercon in vegas and present trb as own phd work or whatnot
1842507;1534524372;asciilifeform;( i expect at some point, even this )
1842508;1534524461;mircea_popescu;this is a distinction with a difference ?
1842509;1534524474;mircea_popescu;nobody reads obscure blog or listens in obscure con.
1842510;1534524630;asciilifeform;'defcon' is approx as 'obscure' as nyt
1842511;1534524714;asciilifeform;it's the 'mecca' of the more or less entire techlamer planet
1842512;1534524766;mircea_popescu;i never went ; but based on my limited experience with the few cons i ever went to, years ago in a different life, literally nobody listens in.
1842513;1534524815;mircea_popescu;i ended up on the main floor a total of maybe twice, but in general you just meet people privately ; and in this particular context the teenaged bimbos desperate to "get started" were in the vast majority too ugly to meet the bar (which, back then, still existed, nobody paid uglies to fuck)
1842514;1534524822;mircea_popescu;and in the minority were picked up by the scouts anyway.
1842515;1534524836;asciilifeform;~30k lamers, with, what, $5k tickets, and the entire 'journalism' set then spends next month printing nuffin but summaries of the talks
1842516;1534524849;mircea_popescu;which nobody ever read.
1842517;1534524879;mircea_popescu;and yes, i'd make the same exact argument if fellow "wrote book" which was then "new york times best seller list"
1842518;1534524883;asciilifeform;e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-13#1841227
1842519;1534524883;a111;Logged on 2018-08-13 16:54 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-13#1841194 << oh ye olde c3s huh. lulzy.
1842520;1534524886;mircea_popescu;because, also nobody ever cared.
1842521;1534524956;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/08/arrogance-and-shit-comms-system-kill-us-spies-in-china/ << Qntra - Arrogance And Shit Comms System Kill US Spies In China
1842522;1534524962;asciilifeform;hey i dun go to mecca either, given as not being in the umma. but 'nobody goes to mecca' is a stretch imho
1842523;1534524969;mircea_popescu;omigerd, us had spies in china ?! ahahaha.
1842524;1534524988;BingoBoingo;HAD
1842525;1534525028;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i guess. dun seem like any difference to me, write on blogspot, slideshow at conference, whatever. then again, entomology.
1842526;1534525029;BingoBoingo;Back in the stretch of history that spanned 10k BTC Pizza to Satoshi Dice IPO
1842527;1534525036;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: s/manufactering/manufacturing
1842528;1534525038;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo they're so fucking hysterical, these tards.
1842529;1534525054;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: ty fxd
1842530;1534525098;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: lulzy -- apparently cia forgot how to shortwave ?!
1842531;1534525098;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo and do you see kerry registering a key and begging us to help ?
1842532;1534525105;mircea_popescu;idiots die dumb i guess.
1842533;1534525139;BingoBoingo;I see kerry getting old and dying impotent with his ketchup ho
1842534;1534525171;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: No, see. This comms system was GREAT... against the pashtuns and maybe Baathists
1842535;1534525252;asciilifeform;i can picture, 'we're sending 100 spies to beijing, wake up the rot13 squad'
1842536;1534525258;mircea_popescu;you mean the people with the http://trilema.com/2013/the-danger-of-homebrew-crypto/ ?
1842537;1534525261;BingoBoingo;Anyways, Learning a lot about national govt values from seeing embassies. US has bleak river fort. Britain has country club. Romania has modest row house. Dominican Rupublic goes months without fixing their flag's attachment to pole.
1842538;1534525313;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: brazil had best one
1842539;1534525317;BingoBoingo;Lebanon has proud flagpole far from Jew embassy. Jews have office in WTC.
1842540;1534525329;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Spain is rather impressive as well
1842541;1534525351;asciilifeform;brazilian embassy in BingoBoingostan, miniature gulag, three rolls of concertina wire, turrets, whole hog
1842542;1534525364;BingoBoingo;With parts on two blocks
1842543;1534525376;BingoBoingo;Spain is big like Brazil, but cleaner
1842544;1534525452;BingoBoingo;Ecuador has a sad hole across from the parrilla that used steak magic on ben_vulpes
1842545;1534525485;BingoBoingo;Japan has hilltop art project
1842546;1534525665;BingoBoingo;China's embassy is way out in Carrasco near the airport
1842547;1534525740;mircea_popescu;heh
1842548;1534525758;mircea_popescu;romania had a close relation with latam countries, uruguay, columbia, w/e, 30-50 years ago.
1842549;1534525774;mircea_popescu;these days, no trade, musty abandoned library scent everywhere
1842550;1534525863;asciilifeform;elsewhere in heathendom, https://archive.is/owcBE >> '10 users were responsible for 85 per cent of the links that the Coinhive service uses to mine' shitcoins etc
1842551;1534525883;BingoBoingo;Next time alf's over if he has time we might have to venture to the bookstores of abandoned library scent
1842552;1534525893;BingoBoingo;And the cemetary
1842553;1534525927;BingoBoingo;But not the ghetto cemetary, the big one
1842554;1534526072;BingoBoingo;Or Mocky whenever he makes the trip
1842555;1534526120;Mocky;what's interesting at the big cemetery?
1842556;1534526172;BingoBoingo;The things the do with the rocks
1842557;1534526210;BingoBoingo;Little houses, obelisks, etc
1842558;1534526253;Mocky;when I die, def want stone obelisk
1842559;1534526335;BingoBoingo;Right now I'm leaning towards just leaving a nice shipwreck
1842560;1534526583;mircea_popescu;Mocky latin america cemetery utterly worth visiting. very elegant, makes the inept puritan bs from the us shine in all its ridiculousness.
1842561;1534526613;Mocky;hmm, interesting
1842562;1534526626;asciilifeform;i've yet to see one that could top recoleta ( buenos aires ) and i dun expect to
1842563;1534526789;mircea_popescu;cr is the original "omfg check out this wonder" though. smaller, but imo better.
1842564;1534526917;BingoBoingo;The churches with the cartoon saviors also interesting
1842565;1534527018;BingoBoingo;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/P1000248-e1518218404440-768x1024.jpg
1842566;1534527051;mircea_popescu;lol tru
1842567;1534527139;BingoBoingo;I imagine the process begins with classical style painting which are "restored" by coloring book graduates
1842568;1534527154;mircea_popescu;also local talent etc.
1842569;1534527228;BingoBoingo;The local talent is very time oriented thing. In the early 1900's Argentina and Uruguay seemed to have enough of it and then regression to the mean happened.
1842570;1534527319;asciilifeform;i'll admit to being still somewhat puzzled re ~why~ precisely argentina went 'from hero to zero' ( mircea_popescu described in some detail , the ~how~, but the 'why' remains puzzler )
1842571;1534527321;BingoBoingo;Then there's the wonder material cardboard
1842572;1534527344;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/
1842573;1534527359;mircea_popescu;because they hallucinated freedoms they didn't have, therefore they went from hero to zero.
1842574;1534527371;BingoBoingo;That and the Admirald Graf Spee probably pulled into the wrong port on the Rio de la Plata
1842575;1534527382;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if we were having thread 300 y ago, could just as easily link to the fall of lucifer. it's a how, not a why
1842576;1534527399;mircea_popescu;what'd meet your definition of it being a "why" ?
1842577;1534527408;asciilifeform;( very parallel legend, lucifer also , could say, 'thought he had choice' )
1842578;1534527436;mircea_popescu;ayup. it is very much the ur-story.
1842579;1534527518;asciilifeform;one possibly 'why', i suppose, is '1940s, critical mass of italian undermenschen, impossible to carry on functioning country', say
1842580;1534527524;asciilifeform;*unter
1842581;1534527616;mircea_popescu;how is this a why and the other a how ?
1842582;1534527651;asciilifeform;possibly my q is illposed, i'ma have to withdraw it and think moar.
1842583;1534527699;BingoBoingo;Joining WWII before Brasil picked a side would have given them a stressor of the sort they had been lacking
1842584;1534527768;BingoBoingo;Or they could hve beat up on Paraguay again
1842585;1534527788;mircea_popescu;insanely enough, they tried.
1842586;1534527803;mircea_popescu;in 1970s, buncha army officers rounded up all the adlais, beat the shit out of them, then shot anyone who complained.
1842587;1534527885;mircea_popescu;was 100% correct move, yet it went nowehere. perhaps lending credence to alf's theory re poor genetic stock ; perhaps rather related to how spanish original this movement copied (franco) ALSO went nowhere, principally because illiterate ; though here enters http://trilema.com/2013/a-very-unfair-perspective/#selection-193.0-193.406 ie, rhodesia wasn't as illiterate
1842588;1534527885;BingoBoingo;Uruguay tried as well, but they really needed a stressor from outside
1842589;1534527892;mircea_popescu;(not far behind tho, flat earth and all that).
1842590;1534527908;mircea_popescu;it's a complex problem, "why do peripheries fail to thrive". "why was hispania not gaul" etc
1842591;1534527909;asciilifeform;i was skeptic of 'italian theory' until went to BingoBoingostan and saw the zombies
1842592;1534527936;asciilifeform;then again could be red herring, perhaps drink made'em
1842593;1534527970;mircea_popescu;drink makes no one nothing. notice, bears.
1842594;1534527971;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: q re peripheries is 'why didntcha folx build own paris'
1842595;1534527989;asciilifeform;what makes periphery shithole, stay shithole
1842596;1534528079;mircea_popescu;not for lack of trying, right ? barcelona has better cathedral than paris.
1842597;1534528118;asciilifeform;yea, seemingly even simpler but still unexplained puzzler, what nailed spain ?
1842598;1534528184;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/08/nebraska-government-overdoses-man-on-fentanyl/ << Qntra - Nebraska Government Overdoses Man On Fentanyl
1842599;1534528212;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> yea, seemingly even simpler but still unexplained puzzler, what nailed spain ? << I suspect post-empire hangover played a role
1842600;1534528260;BingoBoingo;They got fat and feminized like the Brits are going through now
1842601;1534528262;mircea_popescu;spain was ever fucked in the head. how did they manage to get the whole new world and end up the laughingstock they are...
1842602;1534528279;BingoBoingo;Like the Brits...
1842603;1534528290;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: gotta admit, i've nfi wtf was wrong with good old sparky
1842604;1534528310;mircea_popescu;the brits "had" india&china in much less of  a sense than spain had el dorado.
1842605;1534528434;BingoBoingo;Sure, the subcontinent doesn't really have a strong mestizo equivalent
1842606;1534528617;BingoBoingo;But it could have gotten to their heads just the same
1842607;1534528681;mircea_popescu;possibru.
1842608;1534528786;BingoBoingo;The victory bit in the brain flips and then the legions stop carrying their own shit, etc
1842609;1534528816;mircea_popescu;this may very well be it : there's a single bit in the bios, and the flip state of it decides.
1842610;1534528841;mircea_popescu;diana's notion of the locals was "whoa, they remind me a lot of romanians 10-15 yrars ago, when they had a little money and slowly getting a clue"
1842611;1534528854;mircea_popescu;it's true, but the locals have been this exact thing 15 y ago too , and 50, and will be in 50.
1842612;1534528874;mircea_popescu;romanians had this overpowering "we're the total shitheel losers of all time" going 1990 - 2005ish, and it helped them immensely.
1842613;1534528886;mircea_popescu;then they joined nato, which is no kind of victory, but the bit fucking flipped. and well...
1842614;1534529031;BingoBoingo;Well, NATO is a club for the terminally bit flipped
1842615;1534529076;mircea_popescu;just about yes.
1842616;1534529091;mircea_popescu;it is EXACTLY what it is, "the divine order of people who imagine they're too cool for assrape to happen to them".
1842617;1534529267;asciilifeform;hence 'nato reich'
1842618;1534529271;asciilifeform;'thousand years!'
1842619;1534529304;asciilifeform;gott mit uns (tm)(r)
1842620;1534529350;mircea_popescu;"humility" as the xtian virtue, right, "love" as the harem slave's virtue, "do not fucking flip that bit"
1842621;1534529388;asciilifeform;'bought house so big, finally i will never have to clean' or how did mircea_popescu put it in the old piece
1842622;1534529396;mircea_popescu;quite so.
1842623;1534530152;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform see, the explanation for spain per BingoBoingo 's bit would be... reconquista.
1842624;1534530156;mircea_popescu;they WON. and welll....
1842625;1534530273;asciilifeform;winning, apparently, pretty bad for one's health
1842626;1534530298;BingoBoingo;Sometimes you gotta eat a bit more Moorish dick before you can stop eating Moorish dick
1842627;1534530320;mircea_popescu;some winnings, at any rate. lottery winning ; god-given victories, etc. all poison.
1842628;1534531839;asciilifeform;history offers very few 'deserved' victories tho
1842629;1534531905;mircea_popescu;not even deserved being the key i don'\t think.
1842630;1534531909;mircea_popescu;despised, rather.
1842631;1534531946;asciilifeform;where was 'despised victory' ?
1842632;1534531961;mircea_popescu;there's two kinds of i won : the "i won because you're fucking stupid" and the "omfg i'm so cool i won". the latter never works out.
1842633;1534531998;mircea_popescu;lottery winner is made famous by the after effects of "whatever i might've been, now i'm the sort of guy that wins lottery"
1842634;1534532070;mircea_popescu;otherwise, defeat is instructive through the mechanism of "whatever your ugly mother & stupid father told you, and you like the idiot you are believed, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-19#1826859 "
1842635;1534532070;a111;Logged on 2018-06-19 16:55 mircea_popescu: douchebag looky, the place's not for you. you're not smart enough to be here. what's so hard to grok about this ? some people are smart, some people aren't smart, you're not smart. what, you have to be dragged out, your legs don't work, what is it ?
1842636;1534532269;mircea_popescu;this'd be why the ceaseless verbiage of "winners" (as displayed in say http://trilema.com/2017/little-miss-sunshine/ as Greg Kinnear's role ) stinks so profusely to the intimate nose of civilised people.
1842637;1534532400;asciilifeform;sorta why i can't stomach e.g. taleb
1842638;1534532412;asciilifeform;stinks to high heaven, 'i won lottery, hear me roar'
1842639;1534532495;mircea_popescu;kinda also why teh usgistan is so utterly unthreatening. "we never got beaten" "aaaa...ok :)"
1842640;1534532563;mircea_popescu;way to rob yourself of your own , hard earned benefit, usg.fetlife, usg.blue, usg.*
1842641;1534532644;asciilifeform;extra lulzy, e.g., how usg mil brass sees vietnam: 'almost-victory'+dolchstoss
1842642;1534532870;Mocky;re: earlier cia lulz, homepage of glassdoor.com today has (seemingly fresh) cia job ad in rotation, "Morale is great despite of the changing leadership" http://imgur.com/UE7J72H
1842643;1534532917;mircea_popescu;in the sense morale was never great since http://trilema.com/2017/when-did-america-end/ in any branch of us military, we could fairly say "morale is roughly as great as it ever was"
1842644;1534533146;Mocky;"look at our uber-drab office building with not a single person willing to get in the photo, it's awesome here I SWEAR!"
1842645;1534533286;mircea_popescu;the problem with this scoring approach is that google or w/e "exciting" "tech" bs is just as drab, but optimizes for "getting people in the picture".
1842646;1534533369;asciilifeform;the whole lure proposition of cia etc is the seekrit masonic wankage, the legend of cocaine trays and screams in the cork-padded cellar etc
1842647;1534533452;asciilifeform;it was built not even for actual work but to play similar role to the church in old europistan, as a sinkhole for noninheriting sons of the brahmins
1842648;1534533568;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/08/gamer-made-to-post-cryptocurrency-for-milder-pre-trial-detention-in-us-doj-blackmail-scheme/ << Qntra - Gamer Made To Post "Cryptocurrency" For Milder Pre-Trial Detention In US DOJ Blackmail Scheme
1842649;1534533596;BingoBoingo;^ Magistrates strike again
1842650;1534533782;asciilifeform;lol cokemachine
1842651;1534533797;mircea_popescu;ahaha
1842652;1534533832;mircea_popescu;this is just about it, plain extortion. alf's coke machine realised.
1842653;1534533886;asciilifeform;dunno that it's a first, who was it, ulbricht, sitting for half decade nao in the cork cellar, coughing up coin
1842654;1534534004;BingoBoingo;Ulbricht lets their hamsters plea "drug war"
1842655;1534534027;BingoBoingo;This dude though wasn't even racis
1842656;1534534041;asciilifeform;terrorist(tm)(r)
1842657;1534534043;asciilifeform;big fat diff
1842658;1534534201;ben_vulpes;lol hey check it out; this guy gets a haul of 300kusd+ for not responsibledisclosuring and douchebags of the world wank themselves raw over 5K and a spot on the altavista hall of fame
1842659;1534534505;BingoBoingo;I don't see how the allegations are any different from using a "Game shark" on a Nintendo
1842660;1534534516;BingoBoingo;Or wall clipping, etc
1842661;1534534517;asciilifeform;well, 'haul' followed by pointed stick up arse
1842662;1534534554;BingoBoingo;And not even an actual release on bail if he posts the blackmail
1842663;1534534968;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/b2pd6 << fishwrap with fewer detail censored
1842664;1534535068;Mocky;"accessing a protected computer"
1842665;1534535149;asciilifeform;via same fishwrap, unrelated pantsuit lulz, https://archive.is/EWcta >> 'because of possible abuse of children'
1842666;1534537021;mircea_popescu;"public outcry" my foot.
1842667;1534537032;mircea_popescu;i have nfi why the serbs permit a us diplomatic mission.
1842668;1534537046;mircea_popescu;iirc they never paid up for their war crimes.
1842669;1534537072;mircea_popescu;"you want diplomatic relations, first you pay 10x what we think you broke should be valued at, then maybe"
1842670;1534537456;asciilifeform;i thought the serbs got 'democratized', are sorta like ro nao
1842671;1534537470;asciilifeform;possibly missed the flip of the bit back
1842672;1534537482;mircea_popescu;nfi
1842673;1534537492;mircea_popescu;haven\'t really been paying any attention, but as a matter of principle.
1842674;1534537623;asciilifeform;last i knew, after they were trashed, usg.euro.figurehead installed, and so forth
1842675;1534546458;BingoBoingo;But there's still the unfinished Kosovo thing that'll be good for keeping anti-USG resentment up for another couple generations
1842676;1534546506;BingoBoingo;Not just the bombing but US nuturing a blighted shitpit
1842677;1534548984;mircea_popescu;i can see it.
1842678;1534554419;BingoBoingo;It is one thing to wound. It is another to hold the wounded and ensure the injury festers, which... is what USG has been doing everywhere
1842679;1534564636;mircea_popescu;pretty much.
1842680;1534599980;asciilifeform;!!up xdeller
1842681;1534599980;deedbot;xdeller voiced for 30 minutes.
1842682;1534599984;asciilifeform;xdeller: hello ?
1842683;1534600409;xdeller;hey
1842684;1534600462;asciilifeform;xdeller: who might you be, and what brings you to #trilema ?
1842685;1534600514;xdeller;err, I think I`ve found trilema link a few months ago as a reference in some interesting blogpost
1842686;1534600544;asciilifeform;xdeller: consider reading the log, http://btcbase.org/log . and registering a key,
1842687;1534600546;asciilifeform;!!help
1842688;1534600546;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html
1842689;1534600700;asciilifeform;!!up diana_away
1842690;1534600701;deedbot;diana_away voiced for 30 minutes.
1842691;1534601177;diana_away;hey, thanks asciilifeform ! I was thinking of you the other evening as it was rainy cr all the way, lol; and no, still no ocelot !
1842692;1534601206;*;diana_away is trying to catch up on the logs
1842693;1534601206;xdeller;!!register http://xdel.ru/downloads/2CF30569B6D577BB164E5AE49F5C40CD22F8543B.asc
1842694;1534602057;mircea_popescu;in other news, to directly dump a file into pastebin : item=`cat file.txt`; echo $(curl -Ls -o /dev/null -w %{url_effective} -X POST -F "pastebox=$item" http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com -w %{url_effective})
1842695;1534602083;mircea_popescu;why ben_vulpes still references the old url scheme is anyone's guess :)
1842696;1534602200;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-18#1842692 << had nicole summarize the 14th for me, mostly for my amusement at her cluelessness.
1842697;1534602200;a111;Logged on 2018-08-18 14:06 diana_away is trying to catch up on the logs
1842698;1534602215;mircea_popescu;i suspect i might turn it into a permanent service.
1842699;1534602453;diana_away;ahahah mircea_popescu that amusement is eerily similar to ... http://ossasepia.com/2012/01/26/degete-de-extraterestru/
1842700;1534602489;mircea_popescu;"Asa ca ei ne-au intins mana stabilind contactul, iar noi le-am mancat degetele stabilind ca-s excelente." lel.
1842701;1534602508;mircea_popescu;!!up diana_away
1842702;1534602509;deedbot;diana_away voiced for 30 minutes.
1842703;1534602548;mircea_popescu;a large part of the amusement is actually made up of the strange reversal, where the subject shies away from the very cure. "humiliation", what's that ? that somebody's learning something, right ? worst thing ever, right ? mmkay.
1842704;1534602574;*;mircea_popescu has also thrown diana_away 's kid in the pool, something the kid didn't like any.
1842705;1534602612;*;diana_away is still amused that she knew what MP was going to do though kid had no idea
1842706;1534602698;mircea_popescu;old age & trachery earns one something.
1842707;1534602815;diana_away;I guess so
1842708;1534602821;diana_away;!!key diana_away
1842709;1534602823;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/D6EC973F1D3C91CC1DD0AD43CF32BD2C54C2F93D.asc
1842710;1534602841;mircea_popescu;!!rate diana_away 1 imposter
1842711;1534602843;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/kHxIw/?raw=true
1842712;1534602845;diana_away;there, this is the lost-in-the-woods-with-a-key-acct
1842713;1534602864;mircea_popescu;diana_away yes but if you rated yourself at home, you could've self voiced.
1842714;1534602892;diana_away;myeah, I gave it a thought but it wasn't the right thought as it turns out
1842715;1534602953;mircea_popescu;now sell me some flotsam!
1842716;1534603053;diana_away;lol! apparently flotsam is for free around here , no?
1842717;1534603074;mircea_popescu;yeah but the digitization plant costs a fortune.
1842718;1534603115;diana_away;eh, ticos surely have an... interesting definition for fortune too
1842719;1534603146;diana_away;at the national museum of costa rica I found out yesterday that they had "mercedes" here too, you know?
1842720;1534603169;mircea_popescu;um ? what, like the girl's name ?
1842721;1534603183;mircea_popescu;or you mean torre mercedes, the tallest building in the country ?
1842722;1534603187;diana_away;nope; it's something like land held in common, kid you not
1842723;1534603207;mircea_popescu;a a
1842724;1534603211;mircea_popescu;well yes.
1842725;1534603253;diana_away;well, so they had mercedes long before you :D
1842726;1534603277;asciilifeform;kolhoz?!
1842727;1534603281;mircea_popescu;most everyone has!
1842728;1534603288;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform something like that. indian notions of landhold.
1842729;1534603424;diana_away;yes; and for bonus points the description of indians also sounds extremely modern, green-something-environmentalist-other
1842730;1534604197;asciilifeform;!!key xdeller
1842731;1534604197;deedbot;Not registered.
1842732;1534604205;asciilifeform;odd, that should've worked
1842733;1534604253;asciilifeform;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/2nf8S/?raw=true << i dun see anything wrong with this fella's key
1842734;1534604261;asciilifeform;trinque, any idea what went wrong ?
1842735;1534604297;Mocky;dude didn't get e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-10#1840726
1842736;1534604297;a111;Logged on 2018-08-10 01:19 deedbot: 891F03D110B58CD7985D5FBB4CF88D683C827AC8 registered as rain2.
1842737;1534604330;asciilifeform;Mocky: aha, but why.
1842738;1534606065;trinque;asciilifeform: I don't have any nick like that registered
1842739;1534606217;trinque;haven't found it in logs yet
1842740;1534606230;trinque;!!up xdeller
1842741;1534606231;deedbot;xdeller voiced for 30 minutes.
1842742;1534606246;trinque;give it another try
1842743;1534606259;xdeller;well
1842744;1534606280;xdeller;!!register http://xdel.ru/downloads/2CF30569B6D577BB164E5AE49F5C40CD22F8543B.asc
1842745;1534606302;xdeller;!!key xdeller
1842746;1534606302;deedbot;Not registered.
1842747;1534606367;xdeller;!!register http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/fNyhZ/?raw=true
1842748;1534606370;deedbot;2CF30569B6D577BB164E5AE49F5C40CD22F8543B registered as xdeller.
1842749;1534606377;xdeller;yay lol
1842750;1534606395;asciilifeform;!!rate xdeller 1 new blood
1842751;1534606397;trinque;bot was racist against ru!
1842752;1534606398;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/tsCJP/?raw=true
1842753;1534606440;asciilifeform;!!v B26F4ACABCEC117B0E40652394E349857C813A01E55D77E25A43E304956BB8E5
1842754;1534606440;deedbot;asciilifeform rated xdeller 1 << new blood
1842755;1534606482;asciilifeform;xdeller: you can now voice yourself, give it a try
1842756;1534606692;xdeller;afaics voice/devoice doesn`t work on myself
1842757;1534606709;asciilifeform;xdeller: you must privmsg deedbot to self-voice
1842758;1534606753;trinque;xdel.ru serves up gpggrams as application/octet-stream rather than text/plain, so I'll have to account for that possibility in the importer, as drakma gives you a byte array for those.
1842759;1534606767;trinque;thanks for your valuable testing
1842760;1534606770;*;trinque tips hat
1842761;1534606863;xdeller;heh, I`ve seen some octet-stream immediately after following log history on link from above
1842762;1534606870;xdeller;thought it was ok
1842763;1534606906;xdeller;e.g. one link which hasn`t dissolved yet had non-text content-type
1842764;1534607114;trinque;xdeller: http://deedbot.org/help.html privmsg !!up to deedbot
1842765;1534607511;xdeller;de-voice could be done w/o \!\!v ..., had to read help to take a voice back
1842766;1534607799;trinque;xdeller: there's a timer when someone voices you, elapses 30min.
1842767;1534612909;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/08/austria-raided-rogue-intelligence-agency-in-february/ << Qntra - Austria Raided Rogue Intelligence Agency In February
1842768;1534615330;BingoBoingo;I am all for murdering the shit out of application/octet-stream
1842769;1534615358;mircea_popescu;kek "rogue intelligence agency" amirite ? what, like the cia ?
1842770;1534615373;mircea_popescu;what is the putative non-rogue terrorist org ?
1842771;1534615832;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> what is the putative non-rogue terrorist org ? << Prolly the Moose or Elks lodges
1842772;1534616843;mircea_popescu;trinque i wouldn't fucking bother. people can learn to use proper paste.
1842773;1534616862;mircea_popescu;not like i'm going to make allowances downstream for "xdel.ru" anyway, what use is that deedbot let him register with it ?
1842774;1534616888;mircea_popescu;honestly i'd rather it simply replied with "use p.bvulpes.com like sane fucking people".
1842775;1534616953;mircea_popescu;and whatever, "xdel" owner figures out which side his asshole is painted on, comes here, registers, fixes his shitsite, then it can be used. not like there's not a process for the world interoping with the republic : it apologizes and fucking changes.
1842776;1534620338;xdeller;tbh standalone armored data more likely to be served with application/pgp or pgp-xxx instead of text/plain, if somebody on other end would care enough to set proper mimetype for .asc
1842777;1534621666;BingoBoingo;Well, the thing is, how stroked out and vegatative does an httpd have to be to not serve the plain text asc as plain text?
1842778;1534621787;xdeller;it requires some level close to one of file(1) heuristics and it`s hard to imagine a webserver which does this kind of thing out-of-box
1842779;1534621865;BingoBoingo;Not at all
1842780;1534621898;xdeller;well, you could customize it via simple cgi wrapper :)
1842781;1534621934;BingoBoingo;Or tell the server files that end in .asc are text
1842782;1534621980;xdeller;the later is better, but at least nginx which I`m using omitting it out of box
1842783;1534622190;mod6;xdeller: Hey, checkout pizarroisp.net if you want/need any hosting; we're also over in #pizarro
1842784;1534622197;trinque;mircea_popescu: yeah. I have to say this floopy-typing of functions in lisp isn't something of which I *ever* make constructive use.
1842785;1534622224;mod6;better check these ribs, bbs.
1842786;1534622245;trinque;it's always of the "some autist decided he'd be helpful" variety
1842787;1534622903;BingoBoingo;xdeller: Why are you using a reverse proxy as your httpd?
1842788;1534622998;xdeller;because it`s far more prone to slowloris-style attacks and its memory footprint than ur-generic-httpd I think
1842789;1534623220;xdeller;*less than
1842790;1534623286;BingoBoingo;Well, that all depends on the bulk of what you are serving
1842791;1534623410;xdeller;of course some uses has negligible differences between httpd and nginx, but current level of nginx featureset makes it equal or superior to httpd in all situations I could possibly imagine
1842792;1534630116;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-18#1842776 < no. a) there is no such thing as proper, nor is there such a thing as "mimetype" nor is "pgp" a thing. serve text/plain always and everywhere.
1842793;1534630116;a111;Logged on 2018-08-18 19:25 xdeller: tbh standalone armored data more likely to be served with application/pgp or pgp-xxx instead of text/plain, if somebody on other end would care enough to set proper mimetype for .asc
1842794;1534630153;mircea_popescu;labe;s "b)" and "c)" packaged separately for your convenience.
1842795;1534630230;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-18#1842786 << ikr. "this is how it is" mixed in there also. where the gall is acquired by the zeks is anyone's guess.
1842796;1534630230;a111;Logged on 2018-08-18 19:57 trinque: it's always of the "some autist decided he'd be helpful" variety
1842797;1534630270;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-18#1842791 << except the one situation where you actually just ran into.
1842798;1534630270;a111;Logged on 2018-08-18 20:16 xdeller: of course some uses has negligible differences between httpd and nginx, but current level of nginx featureset makes it equal or superior to httpd in all situations I could possibly imagine
1842799;1534630770;*;asciilifeform using 'nginx' intensely for decade+, but never yet seen this bugola
1842800;1534630970;asciilifeform;this being said, 'mime types' are ragingly retarded concept, and Must Die, fucking parse the contents already, fughet declared 'types'
1842801;1534630972;mircea_popescu;i think i have some boxes on nginx also, it's not even bad. might be we're using older sets ?
1842802;1534630980;asciilifeform;entirely possib
1842803;1534631044;mircea_popescu;but the process of "1. my broken usgism is superior for all cases i can think of" + "2. would you please change the thing you use so my broken usginsm also works" is fucking annoying on the face. fucking pick one, what's this clintonian dialectic.
1842804;1534631078;asciilifeform;pretty sure he did something peculiar during config
1842805;1534631095;mircea_popescu;and by peculiar you mean "proper" i'm sure ?
1842806;1534631164;*;mircea_popescu @airport earlier, goes by bus parked reading "usamos shuttle para reducir las emisiones de gases invernaderos". 
1842807;1534631164;asciilifeform;prolly left the 'example conf' uncommented, dollars to doughnuts, iirc i ripped the 'mime' thing out of mine
1842808;1534631180;asciilifeform;waaat
1842809;1534631188;mircea_popescu;knowing that summer is verano, not invierno, can you believe the shit ?
1842810;1534631210;asciilifeform;my parser wedged reading that ..
1842811;1534631231;asciilifeform;'banana problem'(tm)
1842812;1534631242;mircea_popescu;they're always very "creative", with their nonsense, the monkeys, aren't they. little baskets to comemorate Goddess in basket form can always be found. they can't add, of course, and don't wash between the toes. creative math or creative hygiene, where they self-improve in actual fields where they're marginal, this NEVER happens
1842813;1534631251;mircea_popescu;but an ever sprawling of the idiocy, that's guaranteed.
1842814;1534631284;mircea_popescu;so here i sit discussing "proper" "mimetypes", because these are fucking things to discuss now.
1842815;1534631496;mircea_popescu;the examples can i nfact continue. before i wrote down grep -Po '"nickname":.*?[^\\]",' for http://trilema.com/2018/fetlikeslol/#selection-97.20-97.53 i reviewed the expert sex changes. do you know "you should really use xml module to parse xml" is included in ~EVERY~ ~SINGLE~ ~GOD~ ~DAMNED~ ~COMMENT~ ?!?!?
1842816;1534631525;mircea_popescu;how the fuck do they manage to omit "you should shoot policemen" or "you should beat your wife", but manage to include "you should use the usg.shitmodules" ?
1842817;1534631577;mircea_popescu;my perl can't even locate xml/simple.pm in @inc, how about that.
1842818;1534631610;BingoBoingo;Es una rompecabeza verdadera
1842819;1534631621;mircea_popescu;lol i see your castellan's improving
1842820;1534631639;BingoBoingo;In bits and pieces
1842821;1534631737;Mocky;lol, 10 years ago I asked: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/335250/parsing-xml-with-regex-in-java
1842822;1534631748;Mocky;most upvoted answer: "XML is not a regular language. You cannot parse it using a regular expression."
1842823;1534631757;BingoBoingo;Related, I put on some audio from Spain to help continue training the ears. Before this I am warned the accents in Spain son muy dificiles. And... Fuck the fuckers over there speak clearer than the fuckers here
1842824;1534631769;Mocky;that was my last contribution iirc. flipped the bozo bit
1842825;1534631776;mircea_popescu;xml is not a thing, either. which is the fucking point : a) use these not-things we came up with so that b) you always need us.
1842826;1534631783;mircea_popescu;clinton dialectics.
1842827;1534631988;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo principal problem with spanish speakers is that they speak like faggots, or if you prefer normal people with a lisp.
1842828;1534632006;mircea_popescu;new world speakers of spanish much more respectable sounding imo.
1842829;1534632030;BingoBoingo;Lol, biggest fag speakers I have met here are the Brasileros
1842830;1534632252;BingoBoingo;I really don't know how they manage to flirt and reproduce when they lack linguistic sexual dimorphism
1842831;1534632301;mircea_popescu;Mocky https://stackoverflow.com/users/3211/mocky << i see stuff from 2009 in there. so ha-HA!
1842832;1534632344;BingoBoingo;The Brasileros manage to have a different accent every kilometer, but can't have sounds that aren't gayboi
1842833;1534632386;Mocky;omg, i "reached" 790k people. so powerful am i !!
1842834;1534632386;mircea_popescu;i don't think i ever talked to a brazilian male, thinking about it.
1842835;1534632438;mircea_popescu; (it may be double that, for all I know, during peak hours. It could be 5 times that during peak holiday shopping). << careful, your linear thinkers are showing.
1842836;1534632451;mircea_popescu;if they do k/s on avg they likely do mn/s on peaks.
1842837;1534632551;mircea_popescu;anyway, ~this~ is the "network effect" advantage : that should amazon's cart fail for three minutes, amazon would lose ~0 dollar value -- those schmucks will just come back. this is the niche the empire ever hopes to inhabit, and that it works is directly evident in the decrease of quality of life the zeks permitted over the past century. great-grandfather of ustard, ozlander or argentine lived A LOT better than the grandfath
1842838;1534632551;mircea_popescu;er, or the father, or the current loser. how did this come to be ?
1842839;1534632571;mircea_popescu;it came to be because if the ministry of provisioning takes a vacation, the zeks'll just return tomorrow.
1842840;1534632604;BingoBoingo;The thing about Brasileros is they span all ethnic appearances. I could have swore one Brasilero during the hostel days was just a really faggy German
1842841;1534632797;BingoBoingo;My impression of Brasil is an alt-America where large swaths of the land were written off as malarial death sentences.
1842842;1534632849;BingoBoingo;Which leads to the Paraguay war, In the empire days Brasil NEEDED passage on a foreign river to get to some of their productive agricultural lands
1842843;1534632885;BingoBoingo;But Lopez built a fort and gave brasil the old "pools closed"
1842844;1534633024;mircea_popescu;this is actually a decent summary.
1842845;1534633096;BingoBoingo;It only gets lulzier from there.
1842846;1534633136;BingoBoingo;Lopez pissed off ALL Paraguay's neighbors, leading to the bonding excercise this continent is afraid to repeat
1842847;1534633198;BingoBoingo;Because Lopez actually held out for quite some time
1842848;1534633309;BingoBoingo;Now all of South America's wars are either civil of Faggy Falklands affairs
1842849;1534633370;BingoBoingo;Related: Rio Platense folks get a lot of credit for their beef and cheese, but their pork sausage... Divine
1842850;1534633517;BingoBoingo;I've had steak once in this kitchen and I am getting fat off of chorizo, morcilla, and mortadella (for piglet)
1842851;1534633578;mircea_popescu;lmao poor BingoBoingo ; catching back up.
1842852;1534633641;BingoBoingo;Seriously Imma have to put myself on a diet or get serious about fitness. I can't outwalk all the choripan... which is somehow more fattening when I make it myself
1842853;1534633641;Mocky;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-18#1842839 evidently this is so: http://archive.is/yMAJ0#selection-2853.0-2853.351
1842854;1534633641;a111;Logged on 2018-08-18 22:49 mircea_popescu: it came to be because if the ministry of provisioning takes a vacation, the zeks'll just return tomorrow.
1842855;1534633665;Mocky;tldr; banned amazon user found it "dizzying and disorienting"
1842856;1534633670;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo yeah, seriously, eat well but work out. don't turn into one of the local married galz.
1842857;1534633680;mircea_popescu;Mocky ayup.
1842858;1534633836;BingoBoingo;I'm kind of surprised old country failed to invent the salchica and throw the whole thing on one bun
1842859;1534633856;mircea_popescu;what do you think frankfurters were.
1842860;1534633861;BingoBoingo;Short.
1842861;1534633872;BingoBoingo;THey aren't giant spirals of meat
1842862;1534633902;mircea_popescu;hahaha of course they are.
1842863;1534633922;mircea_popescu;just because your intermediate-new country lost most of the traditions of old country in its quest to be acceptable by the god-on-a-hill dun mean they weren't there.
1842864;1534633926;BingoBoingo;What frankfurters were back home are panchos here
1842865;1534633941;mircea_popescu;but yes, zee germanz were a lot cooler before they crossed the pond started calling themselves "americans".
1842866;1534633970;BingoBoingo;I doubt all germans were cool. Maybe just the Prussians?
1842867;1534634008;BingoBoingo;Living in the Middle West I saw many different kinds of German exile community
1842868;1534634010;mircea_popescu;this, incidentally, is the geopolitical lesson of all time : in that they did preserve intellectual and personal freedom, the germans failed to produce a "french crown" so they ended up demographically sucked up and re-packaged by one of the peripheral french crown usurpers.
1842869;1534634036;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo well, sausagefest mostly a bayern & neighbours affair. the prussians tended to smoke a lot.
1842870;1534634078;BingoBoingo;My own corner of the reich nuevo was a coarse meat sausage kinda corner
1842871;1534634112;BingoBoingo;Town claimed swiss origins
1842872;1534634205;mircea_popescu;i'd have said "go to munich sometime", but sadly this kinda ended. "go to munich with radetzky", as per the pilsudski story.
1842873;1534634229;mircea_popescu;hm, did i even recount that ? kid goes to moscow to have a good time, like grandfather ?
1842874;1534634316;BingoBoingo;Fuck me, by grandpa's generation my ancestors were already trapped. One did Korea, the other did Burma
1842875;1534634407;BingoBoingo;Discounting USG deployments this Uruguay trip might be the longest out of the wire in two or three generations
1842876;1534634426;mircea_popescu;talk of achievement.
1842877;1534634478;mircea_popescu;anyway, i regard the matter of sausage as solved matter, by the germans, pre fucking the better germans (also known as jewz). say 1880s or so.
1842878;1534634651;BingoBoingo;Sausage is one of those things like painting for art, it's got some room for creativity.
1842879;1534635527;mircea_popescu;tru
1842880;1534637258;mircea_popescu;aaahahaha 42mn pop.
1842881;1534637279;Mocky;nice, grats
1842882;1534637308;mircea_popescu;why ty.
1842883;1534645663;Mocky;c++ is a shitshow, I swear to god: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/PLjAM/?raw=true
1842884;1534645706;shinohai;Hey BingoBoingo, did I already show you that blackgirlscode meets shitcoins I found ?
1842885;1534645708;Mocky;compiler knows *exactly* what I want and emits it... except to the error stream instead of the output
1842886;1534645748;Mocky;it's like programming in quirks mode
1842887;1534645786;mircea_popescu;lel
1842888;1534646400;Mocky;afaik it was in c++ that the angle bracket template syntax was first used. mustta had no choice what with all the other brackets taken, but still way to go interfering with >> operator
1842889;1534646422;Mocky;certainly in no danger of 'sufficiently smart compiler'
1842890;1534646710;mircea_popescu;lmao
1842891;1534646716;mircea_popescu;need more brackets!
1842892;1534693007;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/scar-tissue-where-law-used-to-be/ << Trilema - Scar tissue where Law used to be.
1842893;1534696187;mod6;Mocky: it's a wonder isn't it
1842894;1534696304;Mocky;mod6, i actually feel way better about the stl stuff now after watching alex stepanoff talk about his creation for an hour: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COuHLky7E2Q
1842895;1534696376;mod6;mircea_popescu: just a reminder, today is the last day paid up through for your Rockchip.  Let us know if you want to renew or not.  Otherwise, if there is anything you want to copy off of the Rockchip itself (files, whatever), have until tomorrow.
1842896;1534696376;Mocky;guy seems very differnt from stroustrup. talks about all the bad shit with the good
1842897;1534696423;mod6;Mocky: I'll have to take a look at that
1842898;1534696444;Mocky;talks about how his son came to him for help with stl homeowrk, and he's like 'i'm not dealing with that 5 pages of compile errors'
1842899;1534696445;mircea_popescu;which rockchip is thios mod6 ?
1842900;1534696463;mod6;The rockchip you rented for douchebag.
1842901;1534696509;mircea_popescu;a, feel free to reclaim it./
1842902;1534696533;mod6;Ok, sounds good.
1842903;1534696571;mod6;BingoBoingo: Tomorrow (the 20th) you may arrage the nuke/pave of mircea_popescu's rented rockchip with asciilifeform.
1842904;1534696693;Mocky;when stepanoff starts talking about a guy who writes 77k lines of code and earns a raise, should instead get a $77M fine, i started listening more closely
1842905;1534696705;mod6;haha
1842906;1534697086;mircea_popescu;what's stl stuff ?
1842907;1534697189;Mocky;standard template library for c++
1842908;1534697267;Mocky;apparently stepanoff wrote the generic list processing for Ada but saw that c++ would be more popular so then wrote stl as researcher at HP
1842909;1534697324;mircea_popescu;ah ah
1842910;1534697425;Mocky;i was trying to figure out what madness was behind an stl <set> not having a 'contains()' method, and turns out designer isn't dumb after all
1842911;1534697468;BingoBoingo;<mod6> BingoBoingo: Tomorrow (the 20th) you may arrage the nuke/pave of mircea_popescu's rented rockchip with asciilifeform. << Aite
1842912;1534697510;mircea_popescu;what was the logic ?
1842913;1534697584;Mocky;the only reason to use contains() is to follow up and do something else, like add or remove. but if you do those things you have to repeat all the work of contains() contains throws out all the info
1842914;1534697605;Mocky;so instead the interface as methods that keep track of the info for the tasks you actually want to do
1842915;1534697728;mircea_popescu;i could think of other reasons though. what happens if i want to see if you're voiced ? check the voiced set for you neh ? then if you're not included i trash your line.
1842916;1534697863;Mocky;there are still ways to do it, e.g. with the count method, you have to test for count < 1.
1842917;1534697912;Mocky;there's just not a method that returns only bool , he insists on returning some additional potentially useful info that was gathered
1842918;1534698010;mircea_popescu;i can see the "Since we've done the work" angle.
1842919;1534698077;Mocky;dude was ultra focused on the generic usefulness
1842920;1534698185;Mocky;correction Stepanov not Stepanoff
1842921;1534701846;mod6;ben_vulpes: mimi went to lunch.
1842922;1534715052;BingoBoingo;In the shitware files https://archive.is/PZ1vV
1842923;1534716149;ben_vulpes;mod6: ty
1842924;1534718072;mircea_popescu;jesus the idiocy.
1842925;1534765762;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-19#1842911 << BingoBoingo plox to do as we did with prev rk, put the disk in dulap and ping asciilifeform when did.
1842926;1534765762;a111;Logged on 2018-08-19 16:51 BingoBoingo: <mod6> BingoBoingo: Tomorrow (the 20th) you may arrage the nuke/pave of mircea_popescu's rented rockchip with asciilifeform. << Aite
1842927;1534774721;mircea_popescu;good morning republicans!
1842928;1534774832;Mocky;good morning, how goes?
1842929;1534774890;mircea_popescu;oh great, got a buncha'bandoned eggs. and >20k flotsam. life's great when you have a bot.
1842930;1534775182;Mocky;when I went opened comp this morning half expected chat window to be flashing with with ping "bot dun work!"
1842931;1534775193;mircea_popescu;mnop. you got it.
1842932;1534775520;mod6;mornin' mircea_popescu
1842933;1534775540;mod6;thanks asciilifeform && BingoBoingo
1842934;1534778371;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: ack, caffinating and then heading over
1842935;1534778864;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/the-sovereign-power-of-the-republic/ << Trilema - The sovereign power of The Republic
1842936;1534779161;mod6;*thumbsup*
1842937;1534780271;Mocky;mircea_popescu, in the latest trilema piece I can't resolve the selection at the "ammends"(sic) link: http://trilema.com/2014/maramu/#selection-161.1-165.92
1842938;1534780296;mircea_popescu;why not ?
1842939;1534780319;mircea_popescu;o i c ty
1842940;1534780395;mircea_popescu;doesn't it link "Si nu-i da canoane multe ca cu mine is facute si nu-i da canone grele ca pacatile-s a mele." for you ?
1842941;1534780523;asciilifeform;best trilemabanner to date , btw, imho
1842942;1534780530;mircea_popescu;a rly ?
1842943;1534780538;mircea_popescu;i actually like the ones with girls, myself.
1842944;1534780557;asciilifeform;i like with the teeth.
1842945;1534780563;mircea_popescu;lmao
1842946;1534780603;asciilifeform;i picture the camera pov as that of hogtied prisoner derp, and mircea_popescu whispers 'you dun even know what fun lies ahead'
1842947;1534780618;mircea_popescu;this is not at all that far off. i do a lot of that.
1842948;1534780643;mircea_popescu;but it is genuinely fun -- even if it doesn't seem so to the victim in the moment, it does retrospectively.
1842949;1534780763;asciilifeform;btw is pizdeț in ro roughly ~= пиздец ?
1842950;1534780769;Mocky;no, i get something like http://trilema.com/2014/maramu/#selection-165.47-160.1
1842951;1534780787;mircea_popescu;it's pizdet, an animal collective term for young females. ~cattle.
1842952;1534780792;asciilifeform;hm then not same
1842953;1534780805;mircea_popescu;Mocky it dun happen on my system ;/ wut do ?!
1842954;1534780811;asciilifeform;пиздец is multipurpose, but roughly a mythical ragnarok where world is swallowed by enormous cunt
1842955;1534780846;mircea_popescu;right. but no, in ro -et is collective noun derivative. storfet, the group of cheap whores, from stoarfa, cheap whore.
1842956;1534780857;mircea_popescu;pasaret, collection of birds, from pasare, bird.
1842957;1534780875;mircea_popescu;(this being the ur-case. older, and no doubt the model for the others)
1842958;1534780877;asciilifeform;so then approx пиздня
1842959;1534780886;mircea_popescu;yes.
1842960;1534781940;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Swapped
1842961;1534781973;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: can go eat, i'ma reflash disk, will take <1hr.
1842962;1534781998;BingoBoingo;ty
1842963;1534782074;asciilifeform;lulzy, btw, by all indications box was not touched since end of may
1842964;1534782146;BingoBoingo;lol
1842965;1534782985;mircea_popescu;surprising no one in particular.
1842966;1534783157;asciilifeform;d00d never even made homedir for self, ran as root...
1842967;1534783500;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: ok to re-emplace disk and power up 'A' , plox to signal when powered.
1842968;1534784634;mircea_popescu;in other items of perhaps interest to the medievalist, https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/sbook2.asp
1842969;1534784700;mircea_popescu;half molded already, eg boetius' consolatione, https://www.lib.virginia.edu/etext/latin/boethius/boephil.html
1842970;1534784804;asciilifeform;oh hey notbad
1842971;1534784855;asciilifeform;lotsa lotsa broken linx tho, e.g. 'Alpamysh, a Central Asian, Turkic epic, [At ukc.ac.uk] and here [At Kansas] ' -- both dead
1842972;1534784920;asciilifeform;holyfuq even 'canterbury tales' has deadlinx
1842973;1534784940;asciilifeform;council of trent -- dead
1842974;1534784944;asciilifeform;dafuq
1842975;1534784956;asciilifeform;mega-archive.
1842976;1534784985;asciilifeform;i think i misparsed 'half molded' lol
1842977;1534784993;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu this thing is ~100% molded.
1842978;1534784996;mircea_popescu;what can you do. 1990s item
1842979;1534785190;asciilifeform;this item , with '9000' others, is well illustrative of the idiocy of the whole idea of the purely external link
1842980;1534785244;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform tis the fate of classical text, whadda ya want
1842981;1534785249;asciilifeform;troo hyper-document oughta contain snapshots of all linkage. ( sure if external entity updates, viewer can be offered later ver, at ~his~ discretion. but oughta preserve linked material at time of linkage, the era of 'disk costs too much to store human text' went long ago)
1842982;1534785254;mircea_popescu;this is what "classical" means -- some peasants lost it meanwhile.
1842983;1534785295;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i thought whole point of the elaborate electrical echafaudage were , to try an' get around these headaches
1842984;1534785295;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if you feel like patching mp-wp to do just this, i'd very much run it.
1842985;1534785340;mircea_popescu;god knows the logbot auto-archival is wunderbar.
1842986;1534785342;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: on 'conventional' www this reduces to 'munge the shitstack' problem, afaik still not satisfactorily solved ( and i dun expect a solution ). gotta have remake of www.
1842987;1534785349;mircea_popescu;and mp-wp hjas a special folder for this.
1842988;1534785354;asciilifeform;where it is possible to e.g. cleanly parse N-deep linkage.
1842989;1534785362;asciilifeform;and get at the unadorned text easily.
1842990;1534785365;mircea_popescu;no need for n deep. just save copy of the item linked.
1842991;1534785371;mircea_popescu;can be improved later.
1842992;1534785400;asciilifeform;you'll want linkable passages, trilema-style, at all depths
1842993;1534785404;asciilifeform;and possibly other refinement
1842994;1534785430;mircea_popescu;gotta start somewhere
1842995;1534785449;asciilifeform;lessee what the veteran www-wranglers ( trinque ? ben_vulpes ? ) say about this.
1842996;1534785516;asciilifeform;( 1-deep archivator suffers from , for instance, the misery of 'paged' texts. you get snapshot of page 9001, and... oops , the rest evaporated. etc )
1842997;1534785625;mircea_popescu;speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-17#1842466 : http://braythwayt.com/2013/10/04/the-freedom-to-pay-thirty-bux.html (meanwhile at https://github.com/raganwald/braythwayt.com/blob/gh-pages/_posts/2013-10-04-the-freedom-to-pay-thirty-bucks.md because, in the derp's own words, "i am an imbecile".)
1842998;1534785625;a111;Logged on 2018-08-17 13:53 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in other shoelace-and-gum copies of tmsr artifacts, http://edgecase.net/pages/how_to_buy_edgecase_credits << d00d with a kinda blog, tried to copy mircea_popescu's old paid-articles scheme (spoiler : dunwork) -- ( http://edgecase.net has coupla possibly-interesting items, compiler-wranglings, translations of old lit, btc tx likbez of sorts, etc )
1842999;1534785694;asciilifeform;i have this vague memory of 'raganwald' appearing in-chan, but apparently not
1843000;1534785740;asciilifeform;( http://raganwald.com seems to be full of snoar )
1843001;1534785838;asciilifeform;'But you can also choose to pay. And every time a reader like you does business with me and chooses to pay even though they have an alternative, we see the real worth...' << shareware's been around since '80s, nuffin new here
1843002;1534785864;asciilifeform;whatever happened to the name, tho, i dun recall seeing it in print for , idk, 20y nao
1843003;1534785904;asciilifeform;shareware, that is
1843004;1534785951;mircea_popescu;i suppose on list of inca taboos. share != star-e.
1843005;1534785963;asciilifeform;gotta be
1843006;1534786058;mircea_popescu;which somehow reminds me -- the general reaction of the average retarded gringo ("retired" here because "Rich" etc dontcha know) upon running across my peculiar domestic arrangements ("she's my slave") is to propose they're hip to the whole scene, and mention swinger's clubs.
1843007;1534786090;asciilifeform;'in my chukcha village we have flight also, shaman gives flight mushroom'
1843008;1534786162;mircea_popescu;like, we totally gotta go there someday. because the fact that their local "girlfriend" who "isn't a puta" but "you support, you know, financially" and "don't know if she'll be around in six months, or for that matter two" is immediately gravitating to my girls has ~0 to do with the fact they've been here years and speak less spanish than my bmw, and with the fact that the REASON they never learned it is because they fucking
1843009;1534786162;mircea_popescu;have nothing to say, and like the fat loser in http://trilema.com/2017/cemetery-junction/ ~rely~ on the woman not understanding them in the most mechanical of senses.
1843010;1534786199;asciilifeform;i'll admit to a bit of surprise re the recurrence of the 'retireded gringo' in mircea_popescu's field reports, i was under impression that these were rare outside of reservation
1843011;1534786220;mircea_popescu;so by this logic, the obvious thing i'd want to do is go to the place where idiots just like him take whores hired for the weekend, to trade my decade+ committed personal whores for their mercenary randos. because totally, i can't hire my own weekend whores if i feel like it, i gotta participate in the best buy of cunt.
1843012;1534786246;asciilifeform;lol cunt kolhoz
1843013;1534786261;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they're ubiquitous. nobody with any sense stays in the ustard lands ; which is why the us is so overpoweringly stupid. suffers from the africa effect -- everyone who's still there, still there FOR A REASON.
1843014;1534786358;asciilifeform;it isn't clear to me that old folx who cash their usg pension in bananistan instead of miami in any meanigful sense 'left'
1843015;1534786362;asciilifeform;but who am i to say.
1843016;1534786371;mircea_popescu;that's rarely wghat this is.
1843017;1534786389;asciilifeform;oh hm, i thought it were
1843018;1534786392;asciilifeform;what then is it usually
1843019;1534786430;mircea_popescu;what it usually is, is dork made some $$$ and instead of going the http://trilema.com/2013/fried-chicken/#selection-21.0-27.251 route (ie, aspiring to local politics) went the offshore route.
1843020;1534786441;asciilifeform;aa
1843021;1534786444;mircea_popescu;usually males, and usually after a divorce, whence they discovered that the land is utterly hostile.
1843022;1534786461;asciilifeform;so esr tank runs dry in 15 y instead of 5, big fat diff, neh
1843023;1534786486;mircea_popescu;whereas the females (generally enriched by a divorce, more rarely by a "career" ie stealing from men via tax/administrative apparatus rather than via "alimony"/court apparatus) stick and try to hilary.
1843024;1534786516;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what can you do.
1843025;1534786589;asciilifeform;lol, if asciilifeform knew 'what can do', would be buying plane ticket and going, doing it...
1843026;1534786642;asciilifeform;in 'su 2.0', deceptively easy to physically leave
1843027;1534786656;mircea_popescu;you keep telling yourself this story, whatever.
1843028;1534786666;mircea_popescu;it's fucking easy to leave, and you're a moron for staying this long.
1843029;1534786680;mircea_popescu;but then again, everyone gotta fuck his own ass in his own bed of nails, or w/e it is.
1843030;1534786688;asciilifeform;[insert the mandatory mircea_popescu thread here]
1843031;1534786753;mircea_popescu;too bad miss piggy's illiterate, her story'd have made a great read in context.
1843032;1534786772;asciilifeform;i'm sure it would be great read
1843033;1534786799;asciilifeform;dun think there is much in the practicals for asciilifeform & similar zeks to learn from the gurlz tho.
1843034;1534786830;mircea_popescu;nobody ever learns from another other than in a metaphorical sense.
1843035;1534786858;asciilifeform;also nao i'm curious, why illiterate
1843036;1534786867;asciilifeform;where exactly is misspiggy from
1843037;1534786872;mircea_popescu;well, she graduated with honros from college, apparently that does it.
1843038;1534786876;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform purdue.
1843039;1534786880;asciilifeform;aaah usa
1843040;1534786885;asciilifeform;makes sense then.
1843041;1534787014;mircea_popescu;anyway, yes, "it makes me so nervous but i trust you" explains the difference -- slave's well advantaged wrt zek. who's a zek to trust, he's supposed to be something entirely else.
1843042;1534787043;asciilifeform;hey it says 'не верь, не бойся, не проси' right in zek handbook!111
1843043;1534787070;mircea_popescu;kinda PRECISELY why http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-17#1842421
1843044;1534787070;a111;Logged on 2018-08-17 01:42 mircea_popescu: but the notion that anyone ever wanted a male is the most ridiculous nonsense ever. other than for steaks, xy has no use.
1843045;1534787095;mircea_popescu;goes right in there with the whole http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22prophete%22 discussions etc.
1843046;1534787246;asciilifeform;this is not , afaik, a particularly shocking/controversial observation
1843047;1534787252;mircea_popescu;right.
1843048;1534787314;asciilifeform;and hence http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-20#1843033 . even dumbest male zek understands, nobody is waiting with open arms for him , unless in role of 'bullock', cheap protein on the hoof.
1843049;1534787314;a111;Logged on 2018-08-20 17:39 asciilifeform: dun think there is much in the practicals for asciilifeform & similar zeks to learn from the gurlz tho.
1843050;1534787335;mircea_popescu;now how is it that BingoBoingo manages ?
1843051;1534787358;*;mircea_popescu is strategically "fortunate", no longer has to ask "now how is it i manage" a few years later. this, of course, happenstance.
1843052;1534787373;asciilifeform;cuz asciilifeform & co sent him, lol, with lander capsule.
1843053;1534787393;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: powered on
1843054;1534787407;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: danke schon ! lemme test fire it, brb
1843055;1534787485;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yet rather http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-04#1809171 & http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781729
1843056;1534787485;a111;Logged on 2018-05-04 16:30 BingoBoingo: more heavily to the end of the year? As it is I am still effectively paying out of my diminishing savings to live amongst the retards.
1843057;1534787485;a111;Logged on 2018-02-05 23:50 mircea_popescu: aww poor bb lost weight! how you holding up down there ?
1843058;1534787722;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: worx! and kernel upgraded !
1843059;1534787827;mod6;hey nice! Thanks Gentlemen.
1843060;1534787896;asciilifeform;mod6: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/QK9Mg/?raw=true
1843061;1534787908;asciilifeform;rk 'A' ready for new tenant.
1843062;1534788050;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: feel free to go on whatever yer next agenda item were.
1843063;1534788057;asciilifeform;this box is habitable.
1843064;1534788061;BingoBoingo; asciilifeform ty
1843065;1534788340;asciilifeform;revisiting upthread : if mircea_popescu , or even say wykeham professor of logic , tells me 'yer a tard, problem is very simple' i'ma yes, nod, and not try to somehow argue that not. but it dun magically grow asciilifeform moar brain, can only go and think, and possibly one day think out of paper bag, how else.
1843066;1534788401;asciilifeform;for instance brin the elder told me ~20y ago that 'yer a tard', i did not argue then also.
1843067;1534788416;asciilifeform;and still to this day working through how.
1843068;1534788486;asciilifeform;better like this, than like that : http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-19#761495
1843069;1534788486;a111;Logged on 2014-07-19 03:17 mircea_popescu: there for all eternity, to confront generations of bright teenagers that'll take about five minutes to figure out she's a furniture, and maybe not torture her for it. maybe.
1843070;1534788737;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i see no problem with it.
1843071;1534788831;mircea_popescu;the other side of "it works if you work it" being obviously that you gotta work it till it works.
1843072;1534788887;asciilifeform;i'd rather go straight to the very bottom of the deep sea, than to be 'saved' like the chix in that story was 'saved' ( not that noncuntbearing folx run much risk of this kind of fate, but there are cases on record )
1843073;1534788941;mircea_popescu;and why ? \
1843074;1534788960;asciilifeform;lol i had nfi this needed a why
1843075;1534788976;mircea_popescu;lol.
1843076;1534788998;mircea_popescu;hey, doesn't need it, but can take it.
1843077;1534789084;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/08/south-africas-first-targets-in-farm-seizure-program-are-private-hunting-reserves/ << Qntra - South Africa's First Targets In Farm Seizure Program Are Private Hunting Reserves
1843078;1534789095;asciilifeform;i'm not in the habit of retrofitting a why to where there wasn't one. i suppose i have one set of jumper settings, she -- another, or i'd be in #darpa or wherever the capons and kanzures live, and not here
1843079;1534789165;mircea_popescu;no tulpas for you, eh ?
1843080;1534789202;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the correct thing to do, from pov of the 'kulaks', would be to 1) have nuke waste from ru flown in , and spread generously on nao-'government' land 2) for btc
1843081;1534789215;asciilifeform;'hunting reserve' lol.
1843082;1534789217;mircea_popescu;at least we have a working model of how this whole "psychological transsexualism" business work. "trapped" my fucking left foot.
1843083;1534789308;*;mircea_popescu will confess he always found it suspicious how a buncha derps who "never heard of trilema" somehow magically decided they're really women trapped in wrong bodies the VERY FUCKING MOMENT male market value dropped to nothing at all.
1843084;1534789340;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: doubt that's it, the 'market value' of postoperative strange is ~= 0 in either male or female 'hut'
1843085;1534789357;asciilifeform;tho i suppose as pure cargo cult, hypothesis floats
1843086;1534789382;mircea_popescu;somehow unknown in the days of Denn träf‘ jede Kugel apart ihren Mann wo kriegten die Könige ihre Soldaten dann?
1843087;1534789404;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but ~mentally~ see... psychologic mechanisms resolve psychological problems, not real.
1843088;1534789406;asciilifeform;it'd be 1 thing if they were all makin' their way, on anyffing that floats or flies, to thailand or wherever the aficionados live
1843089;1534789414;asciilifeform;but afaik they aint
1843090;1534789422;mircea_popescu;because this isn't a practical consideration.
1843091;1534789468;mircea_popescu;the first and foremost task before every would-be "intelligence", artificial or otherwise, is to silence the johnson noise.
1843092;1534789477;mircea_popescu;how about that! isn't that the greatest pun that ever lived ?
1843093;1534789499;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: frederick's men were likewise free of sr-90 in bones, and corn syrop fat, and 9000+ else. i have nfi specifically what to pin whichever diff on, therefore.
1843094;1534789527;mircea_popescu;right. i pick heuristically rather than systematically.
1843095;1534789560;asciilifeform;re 'johnson noise', absolutely troo, and can't think how could disagree
1843096;1534789705;*;trinque dying over here over johnson noise
1843097;1534789791;asciilifeform;re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-20#1843083 item, i suspect it is same general psychopathology as prisoners who bang their heads, blow up own feet with blasting caps, etc to get a stint in hospital as break from butugychag uranium vein tunnel, 'care' from medics, etc
1843098;1534789791;a111;Logged on 2018-08-20 18:21 mircea_popescu will confess he always found it suspicious how a buncha derps who "never heard of trilema" somehow magically decided they're really women trapped in wrong bodies the VERY FUCKING MOMENT male market value dropped to nothing at all.
1843099;1534789852;asciilifeform;afaik in german camps nobody chopped off own hands, feet, there was no +ev in it
1843100;1534789920;asciilifeform;folx who wanted curtain call, jumped the wire, got shot fulla holes, errybody else -- not, no choppings or other oddities, nobody particularly eager to lie down in mengele's hospital.
1843101;1534789939;mircea_popescu;rather, tis the necessary blossom of bogart's "all that dun ammount to a hill of beans in this crazy world". the necessary result of the "rationalist" fallacy (seen sprawling in say http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-22#1828645 ) and the century reversal of the penile fixation (from stuffy vienna's "civilised world" anxiety of "what if dad cuts it off" to today's stuffy washington's "civilised world" anxity of "what if it plays t
1843102;1534789939;a111;Logged on 2018-06-22 04:08 mircea_popescu: btw, did we do the "you too can be novelist, buy our narrative card deck and kit" 1800s us entrepreneurialism ?
1843103;1534789939;mircea_popescu;he same role as the chunk of wood on dog's collar, prevents it from going through the bars"
1843104;1534789961;mircea_popescu;which it pointedly is, in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-20#1843041
1843105;1534789961;a111;Logged on 2018-08-20 17:43 mircea_popescu: anyway, yes, "it makes me so nervous but i trust you" explains the difference -- slave's well advantaged wrt zek. who's a zek to trust, he's supposed to be something entirely else.
1843106;1534790001;mircea_popescu;the notion of this imaginary "perfectibility" of the individual human had to crash eventually.
1843107;1534790017;mircea_popescu;and it crashes precisely with the bang of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-20#1843065
1843108;1534790017;a111;Logged on 2018-08-20 18:05 asciilifeform: revisiting upthread : if mircea_popescu , or even say wykeham professor of logic , tells me 'yer a tard, problem is very simple' i'ma yes, nod, and not try to somehow argue that not. but it dun magically grow asciilifeform moar brain, can only go and think, and possibly one day think out of paper bag, how else.
1843109;1534790048;mircea_popescu;because, at the risk of repeating ourselves, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-20#1843034
1843110;1534790048;a111;Logged on 2018-08-20 17:40 mircea_popescu: nobody ever learns from another other than in a metaphorical sense.
1843111;1534790202;asciilifeform;hey i have nfi what is this mythical 'perfectability', on my home planet we have 'горбатого могила исправит' instead
1843112;1534790328;mircea_popescu;there's this nonsense that emerged as a replacement jolly-joker philosophy out of the french revolution. they had a major problem picking something to believe in, and eventually settled on "humanism" in the "enlightenment" sense of the term.
1843113;1534790369;mircea_popescu;much like the united states were stuck because the only king they had avaialble didn't want the job, ended up enthroning a length of poster.
1843114;1534790448;mircea_popescu;basically, "all humans could be any other humans, and if they aren't it's because NOT YET". much better than whatever marat believed in, or the jacobins, or etc. and here by "better" we mean both a) inconsequential, improductive, entirely steriole and b) flashy, marketable
1843115;1534790491;mircea_popescu;in short, it's better because it produces no things and lots of words -- the ideal state for the jwz. that's what neil simon wants of life, yes, a situation where no things issue but as many words as possible.
1843116;1534790535;mircea_popescu;then "consumerism" is the perfect hidey hut for this state of affairs -- "oh, we're dedicated to the production of things" "yes, for as long as they lack any substance".
1843117;1534790919;mircea_popescu;i suppose the best illustration for this problem is ye olde bullet. as proper a quanta of civilisation as one might ever pick.
1843118;1534790930;asciilifeform;absolutely proper
1843119;1534790938;mircea_popescu;do you realise less than one in a million hits anything these days ?! never has the quarry/bullet relationship been this tenuous.
1843120;1534790954;asciilifeform;recall the 'small bullet'/'covering fire' thread aha
1843121;1534790987;mircea_popescu;in a sense, there's never been things that were contained of as little thingness. really, 1ppm or less ? such performance takes surprise, fear and a fanatical devotion to the pope.
1843122;1534791065;mircea_popescu;and so let's talk about which can of pepsi etc.
1843123;1534791086;asciilifeform;with auto rifle comes 'spray and pray, why learn to aim', with TB disk -- 'why care how many kb is 'hello world'', etc
1843124;1534791090;asciilifeform;seems inevitable
1843125;1534791147;asciilifeform;there's a d00d on my street who goes on, i shit thee not, 10 minute long car trips. 8 or so times in a day. ( i think, to buy mcfood ) but just picture this .
1843126;1534791165;asciilifeform;painful to think on what most petrol in usa is used. i suspect -- this.
1843127;1534791401;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it isn't clear to me that jacobins etc actually believed in anyffing other than 'let's burn shit down'
1843128;1534791419;asciilifeform;( and also not clear that it didn't desperately need burnin' down, for that matter )
1843129;1534791487;asciilifeform;'first kill the inca, then we think what next' is imho 100% legit programme.
1843130;1534791901;mircea_popescu;even if that were so, it's a different belief from impotence-on-wheels.
1843131;1534791929;mircea_popescu;but in any case, jacobin stands today for "an immoderate search for truth, more liable to burn shit down than discover any truths".
1843132;1534791946;mircea_popescu;immaturity, if you will, most intelligent small children are consumed by a desire to destroy their toys to see what's inside.
1843133;1534792018;*;asciilifeform destroyed unspeakably fine toys by the crateload, to the great frustration of his elder brother
1843134;1534792066;mircea_popescu;right ?
1843135;1534792072;mircea_popescu;jacobin stage.
1843136;1534792073;asciilifeform;speaking of this, if any l1 folx wants the c101pa carcass, probes and all, and the spare MBs etc, plox to write in
1843137;1534792143;mircea_popescu;weren't you going to do an inventory of your midden, to finance something or the other at some point ?
1843138;1534792155;asciilifeform;to free up space, lol
1843139;1534792162;asciilifeform;i dun expect it'll add up to financing-anyffing
1843140;1534792282;*;asciilifeform doesn't own much in the way of toys with aftermarket value
1843141;1534794950;mircea_popescu;lol alfie, maybe one day you're famous enough for http://logs.minigame.biz/2017-12-18.log.html#t20:44:22
1843142;1534794964;asciilifeform;lol
1843143;1534794980;asciilifeform;'shards of the true cross'(tm)(r) eh
1843144;1534795000;lobbesbot;Logged on 2017-12-18 20:44:22: <lobbesbot> AUCTION # 163 has ENDED: The very notebook displayed in http://trilema.com/2017/of-ducks-and-lameness/ ! Free shipping anywhere in the world included. SOLD to danielpbarron for 1mn coppers. Attn: mircea_popescu
1843145;1534795050;mircea_popescu;incidentally, for they interested in "price theory" : the above is an exemplar of an interesting class of economic objects, anti-metropolitan let's call them.
1843146;1534795064;asciilifeform;hm wassat
1843147;1534795117;mircea_popescu;because the actual item delivered (something + ~shipping~) varies according to who buys it, there's actually a larger incentive for agents located ~at the periphery~ to buy it. ie, if you live in paris and shipping is 1 ecu, a bit of 100 ecu means you're paying 99 ecu for the item. if you live however in christchurch and shipping is 99 ecu, a 100 ecu bid means you're getting the item for 1 ecu.
1843148;1534795148;mircea_popescu;obviously people bake in the cost of their peripheral-ness in their price judgements, which is why i'm willing to pay 10 bux a pound for cherries here, whereas in romania they're ~free for the picking.
1843149;1534795160;asciilifeform;FG was also fixed-shipping-cost also neh
1843150;1534795163;mircea_popescu;consequently, this sort of auction actually favours the shipping, especially of choice goods, AWAY from the city.
1843151;1534795175;mircea_popescu;ie, "all good things flow ~away~ from the town", reversal of ye olde greek observation.
1843152;1534795197;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform afaik. and mostly sold to non-metropolitans, because those are fucked in the head and have "fashions" to explain why they suck.
1843153;1534795215;asciilifeform;this is troo of just about all industrial goods tho
1843154;1534795217;mircea_popescu;in any case, let it not be said economy is ~necessarily~ centralizing. if one uses the strand of centralizing devices, it can be. one doesn't have to.
1843155;1534795232;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no. notice how amazon carefully charges the shipping separately.\
1843156;1534795265;mircea_popescu;but yes, it could be. if not specifically suppressed ~by policy~, the major-est market for german machinery would have been russia, and the biggest buyers of machineguns the zulu etc.
1843157;1534795267;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you may find it interesting that back in its native orcistan , lulazon appeals largely by playing subscription games with shipping
1843158;1534795292;mircea_popescu;as it is, the politics carefully (and secretly) constraining it, all that's left visible is harmless nonsense, a la "saudis buyers of luxury cars"
1843159;1534795304;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform right.
1843160;1534795315;mircea_popescu;kinda my point here.
1843161;1534795400;asciilifeform;the only reason i even use lulazon for anyffing, 'pay 80bux/y and the rest of the yr can order 3 m3 screws and two metres of #10 copper shipped sameday for 0 extra' etc
1843162;1534795404;mircea_popescu;anyway, in the general, a most important chore of the republic is to destroy the economic basis of "paris", ie the notional metropolis,
1843163;1534795476;mircea_popescu;using the sort of devices which make inca's seat an added tax, as per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-17#1842669 , rather than a natural bonus, as in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-18#1842837
1843164;1534795476;a111;Logged on 2018-08-17 20:17 mircea_popescu: "you want diplomatic relations, first you pay 10x what we think you broke should be valued at, then maybe"
1843165;1534795476;a111;Logged on 2018-08-18 22:49 mircea_popescu: anyway, ~this~ is the "network effect" advantage : that should amazon's cart fail for three minutes, amazon would lose ~0 dollar value -- those schmucks will just come back. this is the niche the empire ever hopes to inhabit, and that it works is directly evident in the decrease of quality of life the zeks permitted over the past century. great-grandfather of ustard, ozlander or argentine lived A LOT better than the grandfath
1843166;1534795531;mircea_popescu;in general, "sell the policeman an apple for twice what you'd sell it to an orc" is sounder policy than alternatives.
1843167;1534795534;asciilifeform;lulazon is inca-centralizing to an extent lolmart et al could only have dreamed of -- ~0 competition in described space
1843168;1534795558;asciilifeform;( see e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-11#1812485 thread )
1843169;1534795558;a111;Logged on 2018-05-11 20:37 asciilifeform: ( incidentally, if you think m3 ~screw~ is impossible to find in shops here -- try a ~tap~. one time asciilifeform broke a m3 tap and wanted a replacement quickly, and like complete idiot tried to buy ~in shops~. result : wasted weekend )
1843170;1534795577;asciilifeform;'the giant sat down in chair' or how did mircea_popescu put it in the old piece
1843171;1534795647;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-11#1812516 in particular.
1843172;1534795647;a111;Logged on 2018-05-11 21:01 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: astronomical rents, i suspect, also play a part. it is ~impossible to stay open if you stock anything that doesn't move continuously. specialist shops are the first to die.
1843173;1534795811;asciilifeform;the unfortunate bit tho is that industrial production (not even speaking of laboratory experimentation) is agonizingly centralized; if i had to set up FG production in bananistan, would prolly still be stuck sourcing resistors, and tearing out hair, like kurt tank in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-04#1839406
1843174;1534795811;a111;Logged on 2018-08-04 14:14 asciilifeform: kurt tank tore out his hair, iirc 'they don't even know how to make machine screws'
1843175;1534795918;asciilifeform;( usa is pretty far along this zimbabweization continuum, and definitely sliding as we speak, but it is still possible to get parts there in day or 2 , reliably. for nao... )
1843176;1534796013;asciilifeform;the end of that road loox something like BingoBoingostan, where if you want to get something other than pile of goat shit or a 'samsung' lcd tv, gotta smuggle it past the border in anal pouches
1843177;1534796475;mircea_popescu;just about.
1843178;1534796497;mircea_popescu;in fact the us is pretty much there, it's just you don't live in "midwest".
1843179;1534796512;asciilifeform;midwest ~= africa, just about, by nao, yes.
1843180;1534796516;mircea_popescu;but yes, world of monkeys reverts to monkey world.
1843181;1534796873;asciilifeform;some monkey reservations still sitting on result of 100+y of human activity; others -- not; is the only real diff.
1843182;1534796942;asciilifeform;this goes even for the asian industrial titans. last i knew, chinese ic fabs still were using gear from siemens etc
1843183;1534796979;asciilifeform;( the remnants of ru ic capability -- definitely known to. fughet even ic, even kalash in izhevsk made on german mills. )
1843184;1534797067;mircea_popescu;ye olde hope of the "democratic" "paficist" panworldism : if nobody can as much as fart without involving ~everyone else, "world peace".
1843185;1534797089;asciilifeform;well, s/everyone else/inca . but yes
1843186;1534797130;mircea_popescu;very much a direct translation of "throwing the curve", ie, "if http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-16#1842058 then therefore prof MP can't flunk as all for not having had done the homework"
1843187;1534797130;a111;Logged on 2018-08-16 16:35 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the probable "cause" for there not being sane dict for living langs, you realise, is that there IS such a thing as a cannonical body of greek, but "who is to say what anglovomit does not make the cut".
1843188;1534797136;mircea_popescu;very much that and nothing at all else.
1843189;1534797176;mircea_popescu;"if everything's uncomputably large then therefore i no longer have to be able to say 7 * 69 = 483 within a second or so"
1843190;1534797199;asciilifeform;the red man, destroyed with firewater, ru indigenous ic factories -- with siemens gear, and pdp11. worked .
1843191;1534797207;mircea_popescu;"why should anyone have to notice 69's but a 7 under 70"
1843192;1534797338;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you should try this 'riddle' on fresh off the boat usian gurlz, btw. i shit thee not, they dun teach the 'times table' nomoar
1843193;1534797374;mircea_popescu;oh, i know.
1843194;1534797379;mircea_popescu;how do you think i came up with it.
1843195;1534797385;asciilifeform;lol suspected
1843196;1534797570;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i get to read, you realise, the A papers of contemporary valedictorians and whatnot. the incas' brightest and bravest, career women to the last soul and whatnot.
1843197;1534797602;mircea_popescu;and what a sight it is.
1843198;1534797611;BingoBoingo;lol
1843199;1534797640;mircea_popescu;then idiots wanna talk about "what'd millionaires do with their time". certaintly, certainly not this, taking apart the heart of one's enemies so not on the list.
1843200;1534798318;ben_vulpes;eyy, anyone want to guess what i found in the toothpaste?
1843201;1534798353;mircea_popescu;an earring.
1843202;1534798408;mircea_popescu;what, i guessed ?
1843203;1534798444;ben_vulpes;triclosan!
1843204;1534798554;mircea_popescu;heh.
1843205;1534798572;mircea_popescu;try bilka. sounds lulzy, but it's ok bulgarian "homeopathic" producer.
1843206;1534798660;ben_vulpes;"homeopathic"? almost but not quite exactly ersatz ersatz or what
1843207;1534798669;mircea_popescu;find out just how well the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-20#1843161 pipe dream works.
1843208;1534798669;a111;Logged on 2018-08-20 20:03 asciilifeform: the only reason i even use lulazon for anyffing, 'pay 80bux/y and the rest of the yr can order 3 m3 screws and two metres of #10 copper shipped sameday for 0 extra' etc
1843209;1534798697;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes this is how things go in lulzistan : "nutty" ideologies that survive do so because pick up the practical slack of soviet idiocy.
1843210;1534798713;asciilifeform;lol seems like they stock the bulgarian thing!
1843211;1534798717;mircea_popescu;hence mormons, "we belive in weird shit, bless our underwear ~~~AND DON'T TOLERATE ANNOYING WOMEN~~~".
1843212;1534798735;mircea_popescu;hence whatever, orthodox jews, "we wear weird hair AND OUR FOODSTUFFS ARE EDIBLE"
1843213;1534798753;mircea_popescu;this is where "homeopathic" ended up : "want some toothpaste without mint, sugar or fluoride ? aaaaaahahahah, here you go."
1843214;1534798761;*;asciilifeform wonders what goes in 'homeopathic' toothpaste -- clostridium ?!
1843215;1534798771;mircea_popescu;just normal toothpaste.
1843216;1534798785;asciilifeform;why pitched as homeopathic then
1843217;1534798785;mircea_popescu;it HAS to be "strange" and "weird", otherwise can't make it in the ocean of "woke" shit.
1843218;1534798793;mircea_popescu;because reddit did it.
1843219;1534798794;asciilifeform;aaa
1843220;1534798857;mircea_popescu;this is at the heart of soviet survival -- "we call it this but really it does that" aka http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-01#1561507
1843221;1534798857;a111;Logged on 2016-11-01 22:03 mircea_popescu: phf no, they just didn't have fish at the fish shop ; the meat they didn't have at the meat shop.
1843222;1534798897;asciilifeform;lulzily i documented this in the past , in http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-03#1260586 , http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-15#1406177
1843223;1534798897;a111;Logged on 2015-09-03 01:37 asciilifeform: the other interesting thing is that the market is segmented in such a way that anyone who doesn't want mcfood ends up paying for ~all~ the alt-crackpotteries, not merely the logical ones
1843224;1534798897;a111;Logged on 2016-02-15 17:58 asciilifeform: specifically how there is no place in usa where one can 'i will pay double for non-monsanto but i don't give a fuck about 'gmo' and i sure as fuck don't want to see homeopathic crud in the shop'
1843225;1534798931;mircea_popescu;right.
1843226;1534798969;mircea_popescu;if you think of it as a potentials map, suddenly it becomes evident : large cancerous accretion mass drives all other things closer together
1843227;1534798988;mircea_popescu;"from outer space, paris right next to berlin"
1843228;1534799015;asciilifeform;sometimes reaches riotous heights of lulz, e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-26#935089
1843229;1534799015;a111;Logged on 2014-11-26 04:23 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: at one point i needed some conductive cloth (the kind with silver strands) for an experiment. to my great surprise, i discovered that there is a large manufacturer in usa, and they do brisk business with folks suffering from precisely the kind of phobia described in decimation's link.
1843230;1534799170;asciilifeform;for a laugh, look some time for spectrum analyzer on lulazon. will find 9000 'homeopathic' boxes for 'finding the cia mind control rays'.
1843231;1534799205;mircea_popescu;you know those are actually a whole subculture ?
1843232;1534799215;asciilifeform;( funnily enuff, at least a subset of these, ~are~ a kind of orcish spectral analyzer. but missing massive chunks of spectrum , 0 provision for external antennae , mostly display johnson noise )
1843233;1534799220;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: no, i know, to my grief
1843234;1534799227;mircea_popescu;stuff to do in the "den" for the sort of retard who can't figure out by looking whether charger cord reaches the socket or not, gotta try it out
1843235;1534799240;asciilifeform;try an' buy any of a coupla basic things, and before you know it you're knee deep in the liquishit
1843236;1534799418;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/l96tM << typical specimen.
1843237;1534799460;asciilifeform;approx same 'analyzer' that you'd get simply by connecting a germanium diode across a hardware shop voltmeter.
1843238;1534799501;mircea_popescu;generally the "intuitive" interface gives it away.
1843239;1534799508;mircea_popescu;"push this button to detect" sorta lulzitems.
1843240;1534799528;asciilifeform;aha, blinkenlights, 'guarantees', 3-4fig price, the lot.
1843241;1534799550;mircea_popescu;kinda in the manner windows-only interface gvies away the george supran-style "scientists", the kind that researches community consensuses.
1843242;1534799581;asciilifeform;sadly enuff i've personally used a $1mil mass spec with win95 on it
1843243;1534799638;asciilifeform;you'd be disgusted if saw what runs typical 'pro' gear.
1843244;1534799699;asciilifeform;( 1 time asciilifeform took such a piece of industrial gear, carefully stripped off the microshit, wrote replacement, and tried to sell as product... but this tale is in the l0gz somewhere )
1843245;1534799760;asciilifeform;if i had known that the real problem is the win95 that runs in natotards' ~heads~, would have saved coupla yrs of life and be somewhat less poor nao...
1843246;1534800036;trinque;poor guy. I had the good fortune to watch half a hardware startup get laid off at 16.
1843247;1534800052;asciilifeform;lol why only half
1843248;1534800053;trinque;(somehow... didn't can trinque)
1843249;1534800060;asciilifeform;the rest boiled accordion and lived another month ?
1843250;1534800076;trinque;asciilifeform: don't worry, other half had to get raped on stock options prior to subsequent sale
1843251;1534800093;mircea_popescu;"pro" is not meaningful in and of itself.
1843252;1534800097;asciilifeform;ha, made a sale. that's much farther than asciilifeform got..
1843253;1534800116;trinque;sale for debt afaik, investors also fucked.
1843254;1534800173;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you'd be surprised what % of trumpeted "great soviet financial coups" are exactly of the substance and consistency of forum investors' victories.
1843255;1534800186;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: afaik ~100%
1843256;1534800206;asciilifeform;'groupon' et al.
1843257;1534800232;mircea_popescu;rare exceptions, a la http://trilema.com/2014/lets-do-mark-cuban/ ; mostly from the early days of the chumpatron
1843258;1534800236;mircea_popescu;back when the gaskets leaked.
1843259;1534800286;asciilifeform;point upstack being, 100% of what i've touched with own hands of 'adult' heavy equip without microshit or systemd etc in it somewhere, was 1980s vintage or earlier.
1843260;1534800379;asciilifeform;typically even these have a greybeard 'attached' to the thing, lovingly tends the msdos 5.0 on old scsi disk, etc
1843261;1534800391;*;mircea_popescu believes
1843262;1534800401;asciilifeform;then he retires and it goes to scrapyard, and replaced with 'modern', lol.
1843263;1534800441;asciilifeform;the bolix item where subj was documented in l0gz in detail, was merely 1 example.
1843264;1534800552;asciilifeform;dun even have to go far into 'exotica' to witness this. 1 slave galley had a spiffy $maxint automatic book digitizer, that was a paperweight for decade+ because lost its greybeard and the ancient crapple it was tethered to
1843265;1534800630;asciilifeform;( 'it dept' carted away the 'obsolete' early-90s crapple, leaving the nao-useless scanner thing to sit sadly , occupying good chunk of a room )
1843266;1534800720;mircea_popescu;don't use crapple.
1843267;1534800736;asciilifeform;nao if somebody had seen it fit to tell the machine builder that !
1843268;1534800780;mircea_popescu;mmyeah.
1843269;1534800794;asciilifeform;( heavy gear, incidentally, typically ships with the tethered comp, as a set )
1843270;1534800814;asciilifeform;the comp per se is tiny % of the bill.
1843271;1534800830;mircea_popescu;right.
1843272;1534800844;mircea_popescu;and slides in under the "who'd pull a stink over 0.85%"
1843273;1534800858;asciilifeform;naturally. it's somewhere down with the table legs.
1843274;1534800875;mircea_popescu;then you're stuck maintaining a whole "it department", the idiotic airs of "superiority" by the dweebs involved y compris, because gotta interface all that junk.
1843275;1534800878;mircea_popescu;im so fucking sick of the 80s...
1843276;1534800893;asciilifeform;90s
1843277;1534800905;mircea_popescu;the 90s is when this shit ~mostly died.
1843278;1534800905;asciilifeform;afaik in '80s the comp was responsibility of instrument man, no 'dept' yet.
1843279;1534800936;mircea_popescu;it was an item continuously, since the days of chet tryina get 3 different shit packages to work by excruciating them on a wide wooden plank
1843280;1534800950;mircea_popescu;all the way to typographic nonsense in the 80s, which is why crapple even exists today.
1843281;1534800965;mircea_popescu;fuck all that shit, two generations of castrated morons thinking they have something to say to this world.
1843282;1534800974;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this was, believe , a u.s. army shitshow. and we had locking doors simply to separate the valuable gear from 'it dept'
1843283;1534801001;mircea_popescu;where's that trilema piece with the "baby turtles would have eaten you for breakfast" thing
1843284;1534801013;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the 'square holes' one
1843285;1534801067;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/the-squares-and-the-holes/#selection-647.0-659.1
1843286;1534801200;*;asciilifeform brb,meat
1843287;1534801826;mircea_popescu;aty
1843288;1534805650;mircea_popescu;!!key kaniini
1843289;1534805651;deedbot;Not registered.
1843290;1534805666;mircea_popescu;kaniini you gonna get with the program or get lost ?
1843291;1534807950;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, https://pleroma.dereferenced.org/
1843292;1534808109;asciilifeform;dafuq's that
1843293;1534808123;mircea_popescu;if i had to guess, perl.
1843294;1534808138;asciilifeform;.erl
1843295;1534808143;asciilifeform;nah, ... erlang
1843296;1534808174;asciilifeform;http://erlang.org/doc/man/gen_server.html << for expert entomologist. subj.
1843297;1534808195;asciilifeform;!#s erlang
1843298;1534808195;a111;61 results for "erlang", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=erlang
1843299;1534808202;mircea_popescu;who the fuck would want to compile every time a web hits
1843300;1534808218;asciilifeform;dour swedish 1980s industrial item, with a very brief ameri-renaissance in 2000s
1843301;1534808238;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nobody, it's presumably bugola
1843302;1534808318;asciilifeform;seealso old http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-30#1634747 , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-30#1634769, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-30#1634714 threads
1843303;1534808318;a111;Logged on 2017-03-30 14:43 asciilifeform: anyway erlang is imho only worth discussing as part of a larger pattern -- industry after industry independently discovered that c -- and its entire approach to logic -- is poison
1843304;1534808318;a111;Logged on 2017-03-30 14:50 asciilifeform: trinque: erlang wasn't simply about 'uptime', or even 'no pointer arithmetic', it also was the only case i know of where process migration actually worked
1843305;1534808318;a111;Logged on 2017-03-30 14:38 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i will also nitpick : 'erlang' does not belong in the list, it was a 1980s product that worked quite well in its industrial niche (large telco switches) but was later stolen and used as a totem by the folx from yesterday's thread ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1633873 )
1843306;1534808436;mircea_popescu;mod6 can you spin me up a mp-wp instance on the shared item, see if we can counteract the illiterate part ?
1843307;1534809153;mircea_popescu;and to continue the lulzparade, https://masstagger.com/
1843308;1534812300;asciilifeform;'handy little tool here to identify potentially harmful users of the reddit community' << lol!!
1843309;1534812311;asciilifeform;по просьбе трудящихся (tm)(r)
1843310;1534812525;mircea_popescu;incidentally asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/JpZ5S/?raw=true
1843311;1534812597;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: possibly
1843312;1534815086;mod6;asciilifeform BingoBoingo : Can you guys address Mr. Popescu's request above here ^.  I haven't the slightest idea on that stuff.
1843313;1534815513;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-20#1843060 << ack. looks good!  thanks guys.
1843314;1534815513;a111;Logged on 2018-08-20 17:58 asciilifeform: mod6: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/QK9Mg/?raw=true
1843315;1534815552;*;mod6 goes to catch up on ze l0gz
1843316;1534818152;BingoBoingo;Sure can do. Does she have an SSH pubkey?
1843317;1534819083;mod6;Ok, so I think I can help with this here too -- as soon as we have an SSH key.  There is a script to do at least the useradd part of this, which I can attempt to run with the given key.
1843318;1534819162;mod6;Whomever the user is, must also be in the wot as part of the script requires that the executor to enter in a password for the user, then PGP encrypting that temporary password to the user in the WoT.
1843319;1534819206;mod6;I'm not sure if this is all that is required to setup wpmp though.  I'm going to guess not.
1843320;1534819218;mod6;ben_vulpes: can you fill in the gaps here ^?
1843321;1534819285;*;mod6 goes back to reading the log
1843322;1534821727;BingoBoingo;In other mine finds, "Redactora Freelance" is a things n>=1 girl uses to describe her latina job
1843323;1534823334;mod6;finally caught up here.
1843324;1534825055;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in other idiocies, https://marcrogers.org/2018/08/13/open-letter-to-the-hacker-community/
1843325;1534825390;mod6;cDc *fart*
1843326;1534825835;mod6;mircea_popescu: Do you wish to have all the shared env stuff setup through you, or is this lady going to sign-up in the WoT herself?
1843327;1534825861;mircea_popescu;gimme a day, she's in hot water over unrelated happenings atm.
1843328;1534825899;mod6;That's fine, gives us a chance to get my other question answered re wpmp. Just let us know. :]
1843329;1534827639;mod6;Anyway, I'm gonna crash.  night!
1843330;1534856782;asciilifeform;!Q later tell esthlos http://summaries.logs.esthlos.com/#2018-08-17_1 << again it's 'phuctor' , not 'phunctor'
1843331;1534856782;lobbesbot;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1843332;1534859817;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-21#1843330 << but it's having so much fun! caveat functor!
1843333;1534859817;a111;Logged on 2018-08-21 13:06 asciilifeform: !Q later tell esthlos http://summaries.logs.esthlos.com/#2018-08-17_1 << again it's 'phuctor' , not 'phunctor'
1843334;1534862593;mod6;mornin'
1843335;1534862634;Mocky;good morning mod6, how goes?
1843336;1534862644;mircea_popescu;in and out!
1843337;1534862831;mod6;:D
1843338;1534862860;mod6;I did watch that video, Mocky.
1843339;1534862933;Mocky;what did you think?
1843340;1534862984;mod6;It was a pretty informative overview of the design of STL.  Guy was pretty good, had some funny points.  The government regulation part made me recoil a bit.
1843341;1534863001;mod6;It wasn't a waste of an hour and a half.
1843342;1534863100;asciilifeform;lol i thought stl was product of some ro d00d , rather than usg committee ?
1843343;1534863134;Mocky;this guy is the him, ru dude
1843344;1534863135;mircea_popescu;everyone's fucked in the head with the whole kanzure nonsense.
1843345;1534863152;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lure of miami?
1843346;1534863170;mircea_popescu;not even that, more like "oh, the lords of the empire spake to us! all kneel!!!"
1843347;1534863190;mod6;asciilifeform: he mentioned at some point later in the video that software had gotten to such a horrible point (totally correct on that; this is in 2002), that the goverment should step in and regulate all of these things.
1843348;1534863193;asciilifeform;( then q would be, which miami is kanzure et al lured by. i propose 'upper miami', analogous to chukcha's 'upper tundra', i.e. valhalla )
1843349;1534863223;mircea_popescu;how the fuck they manage to take the submission they're due the lords of the republic and plaster it on the zinnobers of inca... well... it's explained in http://trilema.com/2014/the-death-of-taxes/#selection-185.965-185.1138
1843350;1534863223;asciilifeform;mod6: lol!!
1843351;1534863254;mircea_popescu;(i expect everyone's familiar with the tale of Klein Zaches genannt Zinnober ?)
1843352;1534863313;Mocky;stepanov strikes me as guy trying to do the right thing for a library to be used by millions of programs, while also being resigned to the shityness of c++ and of average developer
1843353;1534863331;Mocky;haven't heard of klein tale
1843354;1534863334;mircea_popescu;that later point being important.
1843355;1534863354;asciilifeform;Mocky: the 'helpers of average developer' are the central devils of the software hell.
1843356;1534863357;mircea_popescu;the shittiness of the "average human" is a large driver of shit, in those who deign to consider it.
1843357;1534863374;asciilifeform;without them, the necessary, cleansing complexity collapse would have happened in 1990 when it was supposed to.
1843358;1534863384;mircea_popescu;Mocky https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/9200
1843359;1534863468;Mocky;german's greek to me
1843360;1534863481;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/TBjqJ << for the english folx
1843361;1534863600;*;mircea_popescu never heard of haldane fellow, but check him out, website and everything
1843362;1534863610;mircea_popescu;http://www.michaelhaldane.com/kleinzaches.htm << shall link it.
1843363;1534863611;Mocky;i agree re average developer. stepanov says i video that 1% should write library and 99% should just use. but that's bs. if 99% don't know algos or time complexity, then shouldn't be trusted with anything
1843364;1534864177;asciilifeform;Mocky: i.e. deskilling. see also e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-27#1830482 .
1843365;1534864177;a111;Logged on 2018-06-27 23:41 asciilifeform: generally -- the industrialist saw the artisan as a headache, and killed him. nao we get to 'enjoy' the fruits of de-artisan'ed industry.
1843366;1534864184;mircea_popescu;Mocky there's this naive 1990s humanism whereby "the average mankind" will "make an encyclopedia" and "usher in a renaissance" etc. there's this hallucinatory notion of a certain kind of hipster utopian mind, whereby "people need tools for their private projects".
1843367;1534864204;mircea_popescu;that nobody has any such thing is simply not a bit of banal obviousness these overexcited morons ever stopped to consider.
1843368;1534864259;mircea_popescu;yes, if out of 300mn cattle in the 50 contiguous states 287mn or so "hacked" shit together on their crapples then "99% just use".
1843369;1534864323;mircea_popescu;in reality, 298mn just wanna click on catpics, http://trilema.com/2012/the-imbecilitarians/#selection-317.0-317.109 style, while daydreaming a little daydream. that's all. so yeah, 99% should just stfu.
1843370;1534864371;mod6;the rest can rtfm
1843371;1534864624;mod6;"cockchafer" heh
1843372;1534864650;mircea_popescu;hm ?
1843373;1534864783;mod6;from the story: https://archive.is/TBjqJ#selection-601.140-601.150
1843374;1534864845;mircea_popescu;ah ah. they're these beetles, featured in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-02#1710209
1843375;1534864845;a111;Logged on 2017-09-02 21:35 asciilifeform: they luvvv their blackbody
1843376;1534864867;Mocky;the deskilling goes hand in hand with proliferation of library-ism and github-ism. library in reality is the natural outcome of experienced practitioner isolating code that has no business freely mixing with other code. for use primarily by same person. but today the 99% see library as opaque boxes meant to pile up and put a little shit pile of new code on top
1843377;1534865082;asciilifeform;Mocky: in the era before down's syndrome sufferers were set to programming computer , 'library' was simply book of useful recipes, to be studied and ~understood~ and put to use with care -- e.g. 'numerical recipes in fortran' , knuth's aop, etc
1843378;1534865180;Mocky;mix code was considered library? lol
1843379;1534865182;mircea_popescu;Mocky used to be called "script kiddies", the sort that "1. found this snippet online ; 2. tried it ; 3. decided it works"
1843380;1534865216;asciilifeform;Mocky: reader was expected to... read.
1843381;1534865220;Mocky;and speaking of fortran, deskilling also goes hand in hand with the john backus vision of "algebra of programs" snap together lego coding
1843382;1534865224;mircea_popescu;Mocky he has a point, "library" is oreilly-ism. before the free/open source struggle for power, it was rather a teaching tool.
1843383;1534865224;asciilifeform;not 'cut-and-paste'
1843384;1534865248;mircea_popescu;the expectation was you understand the algorithms and reimplement them, much the way V is designed to work.
1843385;1534865255;mircea_popescu;not that you ~call~ them directly from the book
1843386;1534865269;Mocky;i agree 'book of useful recipes' useful to and created by practitioners
1843387;1534865274;mircea_popescu;which is why the current "library" model has inherited the problem of interfacing : they're literally trying to call code from a book and it has problems
1843388;1534865349;mircea_popescu;back when someone last thought about this, "calling paradigm" wasn't even a problem, because you weren't supposed to fucking call it, you were supposed to READ it.
1843389;1534865385;Mocky;difference between shared library and personal library
1843390;1534865387;mircea_popescu;but "we've all moved on" & "progressed past that" (thanks hilary!) and so now... they've got the problem of prototypes etc.
1843391;1534865400;BingoBoingo;In other channels, apparently the skull bird on penis branch made a cumback
1843392;1534865407;mircea_popescu;Mocky no, that's a different concern. you familiar with the "people with needles" theory ?
1843393;1534865423;Mocky;doesn't sound familiar
1843394;1534865445;mircea_popescu;"the fewer people wielding needles they encounter, the more capable they are of living in, and building upon, their soap bubble world"
1843395;1534865486;mircea_popescu;you're supposed to share libraries with thinking people so they can point out to you the obvious stupid. this is unrelated to the "you're not supposed to fucking call this as a function, you're supposed to read it as an algorithm, understant it, and implement it yourself"
1843396;1534865578;mircea_popescu;the issue of http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=man+alone is very much related to the problem of http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=coffin+liners in that they stem from the same source -- nobody else there to anchor your thought process. you understand what dead reconing is and how it fails ?
1843397;1534865611;mircea_popescu;"errors accumulate"
1843398;1534865634;Mocky;yeah, I see
1843399;1534865670;asciilifeform;not only 'errors accumulate', but in practice 'man alone' does not long drift, sooner or later drifts into one of the 9000+ intellectual mine fields and that's that, you get a new kanzure or graham or follower thereof etc
1843400;1534865713;mircea_popescu;having somebody there who calls you a moron is unpleasant enough ; but not having them and by consequence not having any way to guess just how far off left field you slid... well... that's actually worse.
1843401;1534865719;asciilifeform;sorta like ghost ship eventually meets rocks.
1843402;1534865791;mircea_popescu;i like how topics of conversation in #trilema are meta-stable, one can safely discuss whatever it is they were discussing without fear the convo will morph into completely unpredictable somethingelse within a dozen lines.
1843403;1534865799;mircea_popescu;must make the work of esthlos that much easier.
1843404;1534865805;asciilifeform;ahahalol
1843405;1534865857;Mocky;whether you expose yourself to inteligent feedback is orthogonal to if you make some code into a library, no?
1843406;1534865885;asciilifeform;Mocky: 'library' as conceived of by the redditards is a fundamentally anti-intellectual activity.
1843407;1534865897;asciilifeform;'take this box and pry no further, use as voodoo spellbook'
1843408;1534865956;mircea_popescu;Mocky this is the core of the discussion : if it's orthogonal then you're doing it wrong, and also using the wrong symbol. the fucking point of library is exactly exposure to intelligent feedback ; NOT "a substitute way of writing code allowing you to call from books"
1843409;1534866043;mircea_popescu;basically, "library" was used historically (up until the http://trilema.com/2017/when-did-america-end/ moment, whenever that was -- thanks hilary!) as "a sort of primitive V tree, genesis and all".
1843410;1534866071;mircea_popescu;THEN at said moment it switched into "here kids, i have this magical method to call books into programs now". these two aren't at all the same thing ; moreover, only one is useful to actual people.
1843411;1534866109;mircea_popescu;the post-clinton america, intellectually as well as factually, is only useful to orcs&niggers anymore ; and pointedly not any longer useful to people.
1843412;1534866218;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: even in 19th c , usa was 'land of magical recipes', as is the fate of all culturally-impoverished chukchistans
1843413;1534866234;mircea_popescu;i'm making a rhetorical point, it doesn't survive so well minute analysis.
1843414;1534866255;Mocky;well ok then help me understand this: i have 'book of useful recipes' composed partial of code that I wrote *with* other intelligent people and partially of things that i just just wrote personally to simplify my own common tasks and found useful over a long period of time. is the latter portion 'man alone' ?
1843415;1534866270;mircea_popescu;did anyone else ever read it ?
1843416;1534866282;mircea_popescu;the latter portion i mean.
1843417;1534866323;Mocky;some is in production and was reviews by team members, others are more toolish and have not
1843418;1534866330;mircea_popescu;well then yes.
1843419;1534866337;mircea_popescu;tell me, you know who newton was, do you ?
1843420;1534866343;Mocky;yes
1843421;1534866347;mircea_popescu;who was he ?
1843422;1534866374;Mocky;famous publisher of maffs and alchemy
1843423;1534866390;mircea_popescu;right, that being the trap. "oh, he was physicist" "how do you know this ?"
1843424;1534866419;mircea_popescu;in point of fact, newton was alchemist with strong religious notions WHO ALSO DID some math and published some physics observations. but AS A RESULT and FOR THE PURPOSE of his teological and alchemical studies.
1843425;1534866453;mircea_popescu;cue in the magical http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-16#1841981
1843426;1534866453;a111;Logged on 2018-08-16 15:41 mircea_popescu: "when you read a text and can distinguish the absurdities it contains from the actual sense, you may claim you have an anachronistic understanding of the matter ; but when you read the text and clearly see the ~necessity~ of the absurdities, their fundamentally-required-ness,  and the circumstantialness of the sense, you may claim meaningful understanding of the item" as the witticism goes.
1843427;1534866467;mircea_popescu;so then : he, like you, also had "partial of code that I wrote *with* other intelligent people and partially of things that i just just wrote personally to simplify my own common tasks and found useful over a long period of time"
1843428;1534866492;mircea_popescu;in point of fact, infinitesimal calculus was exactly this, never published as such but merely used, "by the claw we know the lion" etc. you familiar with all that ?
1843429;1534866549;Mocky;not the last point
1843430;1534866590;mircea_popescu;there was a problem circulated by the swiss circle of mathematicians, which he elegantly solved (anonymously). except they saw right through the anonymity, because doh, and begged him to select and publish the infinitesimal calculus method, lest someone else steals it.
1843431;1534866602;mircea_popescu;very much tmsr problems, smack drab in the middle ages.
1843432;1534866653;mircea_popescu;1600s, whatever, "renaissance" amirite. as fucking if, in england. aaanyways.
1843433;1534866860;mircea_popescu;!#s pappus
1843434;1534866860;a111;1 result for "pappus", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=pappus
1843435;1534866864;mircea_popescu;no ?!
1843436;1534867041;mircea_popescu;https://gordma.wordpress.com/2014/03/26/we-know-the-lion-by-his-claw/ << not terrible summary, anyway, even if terribly light on the maffs. but hey, "tanquam ex ungue leonem", lit hum etc.
1843437;1534867065;mircea_popescu;anyway, the problems were 1. to determine the brachistochrone, and 2. to find a curve such that if any line drawn from a fixed point O cut it in P and Q then OP^n + OQ^n   would be constant.
1843438;1534867116;Mocky;in '99 I and 2 others wrote a web framework in java for use in our company's products, no such published thing was extant. shortly after someone else published identical item named 'struts', not stolen merely obvious solution. I then watched the published 'struts' turn into ever bigger piles of shit year over year and suffered job interviewers probing my knowledge of 'struts' and i think that quite colored my
1843439;1534867116;Mocky;thinking on sharing code
1843440;1534867151;mircea_popescu;hey, newton never published FOR REASONS rather than by neglect.
1843441;1534867161;asciilifeform;^
1843442;1534867175;mircea_popescu;without a formal AND FORMALIZED republic it's fucking hard for people to handle the orc pressure
1843443;1534867182;mircea_popescu;what do you know of the history of oxford ?
1843444;1534867191;Mocky;nothing
1843445;1534867192;mircea_popescu;for instance, do you know why it has walls, and how they were ever used ?
1843446;1534867210;mircea_popescu;fortress. so the people inside can fire cannon upon the peasants outside. because this fucking reason.
1843447;1534867260;mircea_popescu;this being yet another aspect of the problems of man alone. absent a fortress where to do it, he's stuck solving some kinds of problems in some kinds of ways only.
1843448;1534867277;mircea_popescu;which i suspect may actually be the principal destabilizing factor historically, driving the error generation process.
1843449;1534867329;mircea_popescu;(contemporaneously, it's probably more a case of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-20#1843230 ie, abundance of "comfort")
1843450;1534867329;a111;Logged on 2018-08-20 21:06 asciilifeform: for a laugh, look some time for spectrum analyzer on lulazon. will find 9000 'homeopathic' boxes for 'finding the cia mind control rays'.
1843451;1534867427;Mocky;comforting fairy tales? to what does that refer?
1843452;1534867479;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: sorta funny, from entomological pov, how 1 physically actual devil -- the half-century (and continuing) usg fondness for 'great seal'-style microwave bugs, where the power van yes - fries - the occupants of the bugged dwelling, 'cost of doing business' -- spawned entire pantheon of mythical contagions
1843453;1534867485;mircea_popescu;the problem in the time of newton was a bunhc of morons wanting to "burn down the sorcery".
1843454;1534867512;mircea_popescu;the problem in the time of darwin, however, was a bunch of morons trying to persuade him of their wisdom.
1843455;1534867538;mircea_popescu;ie, monarchy got meanwhile overwhelmed by "democracy", so the moron mind was "in charge" so it dispensed largesse instead of trying to attack thought outright.
1843456;1534867556;mircea_popescu;precisely how supposedly thinking people ended up writing papers on "global warming" and whatnot. grants amirite ? the COMFORT.
1843457;1534867571;mircea_popescu;"why should i make a correct tool when could just use this thing available next day for 9.95 ?"
1843458;1534867604;Mocky;ok, yes
1843459;1534867614;mircea_popescu;you fgamiliar with how darwin's workload went ?
1843460;1534867627;mircea_popescu;20% to research, 80% to phrasing research results "in such a way as to not..."
1843461;1534867668;mircea_popescu;the walls -- will be built. whether the king has the sense to hire masons to do it ; or the king is absent and darwin's stuck "holding the walls up with his back", http://trilema.com/2009/inchipuiti-va/ style... the walls will be built.
1843462;1534867996;Mocky;ftr, oxford sounds pretty badass
1843463;1534868211;*;Mocky had pictured some savile row gents taking afternoon tea between lectures
1843464;1534868339;mircea_popescu;heh. that's the 1800s gutting.
1843465;1534868376;mircea_popescu;the 2000s gutting is in http://trilema.com/2018/wood-impregnated-in-oil-a-metaphor/ ; don't ask about the 1900s gutting, it's too painful to think about
1843466;1534868388;mircea_popescu;(not for me as much as for these fine fellows, they still like their middle earth etc)
1843467;1534868465;mircea_popescu;aaanyways, "responsible disclosure" or how did it go.
1843468;1534869075;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: reminiscent of the much later fall of su, fortress walls intact but raped through backdoor and via 5thcolumn
1843469;1534869125;asciilifeform;afaik nobody even rammed at the oxford front wall, at all
1843470;1534869190;asciilifeform;imho strange that the intellectual capital of its time went long on defense against mob with pitchforks and so very short on intellectual 'fortifications'
1843471;1534869871;mircea_popescu;indeed not.
1843472;1534872141;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/08/measles-burning-across-europe/ << Qntra - Measles Burning Across Europe
1843473;1534872229;asciilifeform;bahahahaha BingoBoingo , recall the 'mumps epidemic' in BingoBoingostan
1843474;1534872456;BingoBoingo;lol
1843475;1534872472;BingoBoingo;That hit a ton of people
1843476;1534872579;asciilifeform;'vaccine is work of the devil' has the obvious down side, neh.
1843477;1534872669;BingoBoingo;Well, a lot of people struck with the mumps here were in their 30s which suggests stretching the vaccine out may be a fairly common thing here
1843478;1534872947;mircea_popescu;the problem further compounded by the fact contemporary vaccine IS work of devil.
1843479;1534873001;mircea_popescu;"why don't you eat these delicious foods ? they've got meat in them!" "yeah, 80%, the rest is digoxin, who wouldn't eat them!" "you mean you're one of those tinfoil weirdos with the homeopathy ?" "yeah, actually. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-20#1843215 "  "
1843480;1534873001;a111;Logged on 2018-08-20 20:59 mircea_popescu: just normal toothpaste.
1843481;1534873003;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-20#1843300 << little known fact: slime's architecture was originally implemented in a similar project for erlang called distel, by the same author luke gorrie. lukego also wrote an emacs clone in erlang and tcp/ip stack in cmucl.
1843482;1534873003;a111;Logged on 2018-08-20 23:36 asciilifeform: dour swedish 1980s industrial item, with a very brief ameri-renaissance in 2000s
1843483;1534873055;mircea_popescu;o hai phf
1843484;1534873065;*;phf waives
1843485;1534873069;mircea_popescu;ahaha
1843486;1534873082;phf;i'm alive, i had a busy few weeks
1843487;1534873108;*;mircea_popescu passes on the pregnancy wisecracks.
1843488;1534873575;asciilifeform;phf: i actually liked erlang, and even considered for battlefield, but ended up rejecting for the same reason as standard ml, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-19#1815589
1843489;1534873575;a111;Logged on 2018-05-19 18:36 asciilifeform: the closest runner-up contender was standard ml, but it demands a ~MB-sized runtime , and imposes gc , nobody is ever stuffing it into 32kB.
1843490;1534873693;asciilifeform;i.e. yes it successfully cures pointerism, overflowism, but at the cost of massive ball of ??? runtime, making your proggy effectively unauditable and quite certainly unmicrocontrollerable
1843491;1534873867;asciilifeform;even somehow abstracting over these -- proglang with gc is simply not acceptable in safety-critical/crypto proggy. it is at least in principle possible to write cl without cons; but afaik this is not practical in erlang
1843492;1534874776;Mocky;asciilifeform, what's the problem with gc in this context?
1843493;1534874802;asciilifeform;Mocky: utterly destroys ability to put hard time and space cost bounds on anything whatsoever
1843494;1534874855;asciilifeform;!#s constant time
1843495;1534874856;a111;138 results for "constant time", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=constant%20time
1843496;1534874972;Mocky;time i can see. space i don't see. max stack + max heap hard space bound, no?
1843497;1534875086;asciilifeform;Mocky: speaking of ~tight~ bounds, rather than upper/lower
1843498;1534875118;asciilifeform;as in, 'modular multiplication will use EXACTLY 16kB each time, and they will go in this-here range of addrs, which then will zero, and it will take N nanoseconds'
1843499;1534875133;Mocky;i see
1843500;1534875233;asciilifeform;a gc can be seen as an example of a data-dependent branch. which are ~not~ acceptable in crypto coad.
1843501;1534875329;asciilifeform;troo determinism means that i can write the exact sequence of instructions that will execute in the routine, and the exact addresses that will be referenced as operands, in the exact order.
1843502;1534875380;asciilifeform;there is no room in that for the possibility of 'maybe right here gc kicks in, and will take variable time depending on what you've been doing for past week'
1843503;1534875446;asciilifeform;gc time and space behaviour is a big fat side channel into pretty much any crypto .
1843504;1534875500;Mocky;so then do you have to contend also with e.g. linux process scheduler?
1843505;1534875551;asciilifeform;Mocky: process scheduler is annoying in re timing the instruction count used by a proggy . but doesn't leak anything if your proggy doesn't data-dependently address or branch.
1843506;1534875570;asciilifeform;( i.e. your proggy is cache-insensitive )
1843507;1534875646;asciilifeform;( see, for instance, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2105 )
1843508;1534875742;phf;re upstack gotta see how small an erlang vm can really be made. to some extent that work is going to be done with the whole tmsr scripting language direction, where we have different vm's explored on a cutting table.
1843509;1534875774;asciilifeform;phf: aha, conceivably can put it on one of those tiny 'secd' scheme vm's
1843510;1534875805;asciilifeform;phf: unless i'm mistaken, it is pretty tightly married to gc / ability to cons, tho
1843511;1534875857;asciilifeform;i'd be quite happy to use a gc lang if i had iron that provides hard-O(1) cons
1843512;1534875860;asciilifeform;but i have no such thing.
1843513;1534875926;asciilifeform;( before anybody asks -- imho it is physically impossible to get this effect on pc iron, where not only caching but such things as sdram burst r/w exist )
1843514;1534875970;phf;this is for scripting though, the constraints are presumably not as tight. also gc is a kind of outer bound of a problem, can usually be special cased on a case by case. e.g. in erlang's case you can do region based allocation per process: cons as much as you want, collect everything when process dies.
1843515;1534876017;asciilifeform;for scripting, of the 'death is your gc' variety, and where proggy is not safety-critical ( no crypto , at least not directly ) the above dun apply, sure
1843516;1534876103;asciilifeform;all i particularly care for in re scripting is to obtain a replacement for perl/python/bash where the interpreter is simple (i.e. readable, fits-in-head, auditable, correct)
1843517;1534876115;phf;(apparently erlang does that already. gc is a per-process, everything's collected when the process dies, but a very traditional gc can be enabled or disabled also per process. apparently you can also specify process's heap size on allocation, and do things when that heap fills up)
1843518;1534876141;asciilifeform;well any unix proggy is 'collected when process dies' lol
1843519;1534876147;asciilifeform;dun need any support from the writer
1843520;1534876170;phf;erlang process
1843521;1534876178;asciilifeform;aa 'green thread'
1843522;1534876191;Mocky;cons is malloc for lisp, or is more meant by that?
1843523;1534876211;asciilifeform;Mocky: approx yes
1843524;1534876294;phf;Mocky: it's an affectation, old time lispers used to refer to any kind of allocation as consing, but in c terms the implication there is malloc + whatever collection facility, not just a fire and forget malloc
1843525;1534876321;Mocky;ahh, ok
1843526;1534876336;asciilifeform;consing does a potentially very large amt of behind the scenes work, up to and including a full gc
1843527;1534879029;BingoBoingo;In other local developments: THe chickens are dying of hunger https://www.elobservador.com.uy/otros-10-mil-pollos-muertos-falta-alimentacion-n1266045
1843528;1534880059;mod6;this in .uy?
1843529;1534880981;mod6;hey hey hey, lbj
1843530;1534881019;BingoBoingo;And mod6 It is indeed
1843531;1534881060;mod6;BingoBoingo: eitherway, terrible news :/
1843532;1534881131;BingoBoingo;It's a tale as old as time. Chicken company went bankrupt. Food gets low during a cold snap while the paperwork to get more food is en tramite. Chickens starve
1843533;1534881230;mod6;hate to see that kinda waste
1843534;1534881371;BingoBoingo;At least its only a five figure number of chickens. My initial thought was 10x that.
1843535;1534881398;BingoBoingo;1000x that
1843536;1534881406;BingoBoingo;The whole mil vs milliones deal
1843537;1534881604;mod6;sure.
1843538;1534881719;mod6;there was a huge loss of poultry a few years back: http://qntra.net/2015/05/us-poultry-and-egg-prices-headed-to-the-moon/
1843539;1534882393;ben_vulpes;i say, this coordinated attack on the republic is underimpressive
1843540;1534889189;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-21#1843514 << i agree it may make more sense for scripting than systems language.
1843541;1534889189;a111;Logged on 2018-08-21 18:26 phf: this is for scripting though, the constraints are presumably not as tight. also gc is a kind of outer bound of a problem, can usually be special cased on a case by case. e.g. in erlang's case you can do region based allocation per process: cons as much as you want, collect everything when process dies.
1843542;1534889322;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-21#1843539 << wait, the chickens ?!
1843543;1534889322;a111;Logged on 2018-08-21 20:13 ben_vulpes: i say, this coordinated attack on the republic is underimpressive
1843544;1534889827;asciilifeform;evidently they have shit aim!11
1843545;1534889889;*;asciilifeform freshly back from pounding a 2metre copper stake into ground. in fucking mosquito hell.
1843546;1534889950;mircea_popescu;great workout!
1843547;1534889955;asciilifeform;verily
1843548;1534889981;asciilifeform;railroad sledge bestest workout.
1843549;1534895617;mod6;you grounding a mega-cage or what?
1843550;1534896566;ben_vulpes;antenna? shitton of copper if it's solid.
1843551;1534896659;asciilifeform;i think it was cu jacket on steel core, like bullet
1843552;1534897195;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> i think it was cu jacket on steel core, like bullet << They usually are
1843553;1534909291;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/algorithmics-problem-seeking-experts/ << Trilema - Algorithmics problem seeking experts
1843554;1534910127;mircea_popescu;^ me recommends
1843555;1534913815;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-20#1525883 << two years ago exactly!
1843556;1534913815;a111;Logged on 2016-08-20 14:38 mircea_popescu: here's a nice eulora knapsack problem for anyone looking to sharpen their ACTUAL computer science skills :
1843557;1534915316;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in orcistans, https://www.nairaland.com/3786010/see-nigerian-states-most-beautiful/1
1843558;1534916003;Mocky;oh hey, i didn't have the context for that knapsack challenge when I read it in the logs, had no idea what it meant. meanwhile forgot all about it
1843559;1534916170;mircea_popescu;lol. kinda how it goes.
1843560;1534916938;Mocky;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-20#1525884 ftr my algo does it in 40 steps preserving full value of 1,639,142: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/bvsMD/?raw=true
1843561;1534916938;a111;Logged on 2016-08-20 14:39 mircea_popescu: i have eight sets of "sb" (solid branch) :  503 q 222 ; 1466 q 3 ; 973 q 207 ; 983 q 252 ; 1651 q 258 ; 2963 q 189 ; 563 q 22 and 336 q 225. the first number is the count, the second the quality (depends on your mining, whatever) ; you can mix these, the game will floor the average quality. this means you can lose matter through mixing, so you want to mix stacks so as to obtain the highest possible quality final.
1843562;1534917212;mircea_popescu;Mocky sounds right.
1843563;1534946687;asciilifeform;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/z4wAl/?raw=true << meanwhile, in heathendom.
1843564;1534946794;asciilifeform;^ tldr, mexican d00d ran small btc-fiatola house; dragged into usa for gassing.
1843565;1534947658;mircea_popescu;sucks to be a zek, huh.
1843566;1534947673;mircea_popescu;anyway, dood didn't get dragged anywhere, he kept crossing teh border.
1843567;1534947728;mircea_popescu;i guess they're getting pretty desperate, if they're throwing randos in jail in lieu of making good on their usg.bitfinex takeover obligations.
1843568;1534947790;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: fwiw they always Officially print 'when crossing the border' (recall the ru d00d kidnapped 'in spain' etc.) it's the new 'shot while escape'.
1843569;1534947810;mircea_popescu;simple heuristic : what starts as a scam moves on to http://trilema.com/2015/so-the-broomstick-fired/ "agenture" and then finally on to the inca resting place.
1843570;1534947817;mircea_popescu;it's the cycle of ourdemocracy scamolade.
1843571;1534947862;asciilifeform;i'm not convinced that the mexican was zek ( well, until picked up and enzekked )
1843572;1534947908;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that may be, but what of 11 In furtherance of this conspiracy and to effect the objects thereof, the following overt acts, among others, were committed: 1. On or about February 8, 2017, at approximately 12:10 a.m., defendant JACOB BURRELL CAMPOS entered the United States from Mexico in possession of $9, 500 in U.S. currency. 2. On or about February 8, 2017, at approximately 10:29 p.m., defendant JACOB BURRELL CA
1843573;1534947908;mircea_popescu;MPOS entered the United States from Mexico in possession of $9, 580 in U.S. currency. 3 . On ,or about February 9, 2017, at approximately 8: 17 p. m., defendant JACOB BURRELL CAMPOS entered the United States from Mexico in possession of $9, 746 in U.S. currency. 4. On or about February 10, 2017, at approximately 11:52 p.m., defendant JACOB BURRELL CAMPOS entered the United States from Mexico in
1843574;1534947909;mircea_popescu;24 possession of $9, 580 in U.S. currency. ?
1843575;1534947919;mircea_popescu;specifically, how do they know ~the dollar amount~ ?
1843576;1534947948;mircea_popescu;here's a possible theory : this dood went over the border twice to who knows, five times a day for months and fucking months, and they counted his money in front of him every time
1843577;1534947953;mircea_popescu;eventually had enough of counting.
1843578;1534947965;asciilifeform;where's the difficulty in producing an arbitrary 'mr chump went into usa with bag of $ x' for any desired value of x
1843579;1534947995;mircea_popescu;so you think that's not factual ?
1843580;1534947999;asciilifeform;aha
1843581;1534948013;mircea_popescu;and they falsified the records, or do the records not even exist ?
1843582;1534948028;asciilifeform;fwiw i read usg indictments as works of fiction, not particularly different from e.g. trial of lavrentiy pavlovich beria, 'british, french, and japanese spy'
1843583;1534948054;mircea_popescu;the only question is, why isn;'t mr campos here saying this ?
1843584;1534948055;asciilifeform;they may have occasional droplet of fact, or may not
1843585;1534948089;mircea_popescu;i only read usg productions as literary fiction when it involves standing members ; otherwise it's liars playing liar. why would i trust CAMPOS more than the system he and his friends created ? or less, for that matter.
1843586;1534948100;mircea_popescu;there's no such thing as "the innocent zek". inca exists because the zeks exist.
1843587;1534948102;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: perhaps he dun have a tcp pipe in the cokemachine chair.
1843588;1534948114;mircea_popescu;or perhaps he's exactly a shitheel.
1843589;1534948125;asciilifeform;impossible to say, from my telescope.
1843590;1534948146;mircea_popescu;not so impossible, from mine -- if CAMPOS were worth the cost of a decent burial, !!key CAMPOS would work.
1843591;1534948155;asciilifeform;i'll buy a 'he oughta have appeared here ~before~ strapped in the chair'.
1843592;1534948159;mircea_popescu;nulla salus extra republica.
1843593;1534948268;mircea_popescu;http://archive.is/Nw7P3 << check it out, argentine retards squatting the words.
1843594;1534948279;asciilifeform;lol!
1843595;1534948477;asciilifeform;in other heathen lulz, https://archive.is/yUvwS << 2017-style shitfork , rebranded as a kind of faux-trb, 'Satoshi Vision' of... 'block size to 128 MB'
1843596;1534948542;asciilifeform;complete with '5 C++ developers with over 95 collective years of development experience' etc.
1843597;1534956557;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-22#1843560 << possibly i'm thick, but i read mircea_popescu's puzzle statement and dun grasp how this is possible, for the value to be conserved, if every mix operation rounds down to nearest whole
1843598;1534956557;a111;Logged on 2018-08-22 05:48 Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-20#1525884 ftr my algo does it in 40 steps preserving full value of 1,639,142: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/bvsMD/?raw=true
1843599;1534956813;asciilifeform;oh hm nm i get it
1843600;1534960791;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/08/microsoft-announces-campaign-against-threats-to-their-democracy/ << Qntra - Microsoft Announces Campaign Against Threats To Their Democracy
1843601;1534962715;BingoBoingo;So there is a local holiday called "Dia de nostalgia" where the locals listen to old pop music. The Peruana is rather insistent that the holiday is today. Thusly she took me for a walk, is cooking soup, and is cleaning Casa Boingo. I am under the impression the holiday is later this week, as the busdrivers and kiosk operators appear to be as well.
1843602;1534962773;BingoBoingo;But I am getting soup and a free sweep out of the deal.
1843603;1534963064;mod6;Hard to complain about that :D
1843604;1534969757;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-22#1843595 << it seems that nguyen nobody's been trying to attention whore around the matter for years.
1843605;1534969757;a111;Logged on 2018-08-22 14:34 asciilifeform: in other heathen lulz, https://archive.is/yUvwS << 2017-style shitfork , rebranded as a kind of faux-trb, 'Satoshi Vision' of... 'block size to 128 MB'
1843606;1534969801;mircea_popescu;can't imagine who'd give an inkling of a shit, besides the republic's incredibly advanced entomology dept.
1843607;1534970222;asciilifeform;i dun recall the name popping up prior
1843608;1534970233;asciilifeform;but possibly i'm not sufficiently dedicated entomologist
1843609;1534970373;asciilifeform;( on top of this, quite possibly there are moar nguyens in vietnam than popescus in ro )
1843610;1534970454;mircea_popescu;in a very abstract sense.
1843611;1534970483;asciilifeform;howsthat?
1843612;1534970505;mircea_popescu;cuz they seem the same one.
1843613;1534970612;asciilifeform;the peasant ivanovs in ru, popescus left in ro, smiths in england -- not same ?
1843614;1534970717;mircea_popescu;same.
1843615;1534970898;asciilifeform;the closer to the http://trilema.com/2012/anonimity-or-the-urban-versus-rural-dispute period , the moar acute this problem, i suspect, and so when we will have seen 10 shitcoin scammers from the humid shitholistans, 7 will have been nguyen.
1843616;1534970943;asciilifeform;'...there exists exactly one Nicola in the entire villagevi, and the only smaller kid at the age of rumspringa is Daniel, so you've got them...' etc
1843617;1534971097;mircea_popescu;possibru!
1843618;1534971119;asciilifeform;at a certain point, the entomologists who still insists on distinguishing individual specimens will be stuck trying to catch'em and put numbered collars on, like on giraffes in africa, or how else to distinguish the indistinguishable..
1843619;1534971235;mircea_popescu;mark of teh beast!!1
1843620;1534971288;asciilifeform;i always liked that legend. tho i suspect that i read it somewhat differently from the ameri-christians.
1843621;1534971312;asciilifeform;'and in the shit future, the biomass will become so nguyen that will have to be branded with hot irons on forehead'
1843622;1534971402;*;trinque heard a tard say exactly "mark of the beast would be so convenient; I wouldn't have to worry about losing my credit card" just the other day
1843623;1534971410;asciilifeform;lol!!
1843624;1534971417;trinque;the derps long for the goo tube
1843625;1534971456;asciilifeform;'just want'
1843626;1534971727;asciilifeform;trinque: witness just how much of the homo redditus psychopathologies cluster really reduces to doomed , head-against-wall attempts at becoming individuable
1843627;1534971774;trinque;makes one think that there's perhaps an earlier fixation than "anal", coming from the first inconvenience, the shhhlonk out of mother and into the hard light
1843628;1534971784;trinque;asciilifeform: "mother knew me, and only me" or whatever
1843629;1534971793;asciilifeform;if they stuck to the ~60-strong village -- could even scratch that itch. but as it is nao, no dice.
1843630;1534972042;mircea_popescu;well, there's subreddits...
1843631;1534972065;asciilifeform;lol
1843632;1534972077;asciilifeform;'hey, you read /r/nguyen!' 'mee tooo!'
1843633;1534972082;mircea_popescu;seems there's the two strategies - either a very low bar of individuation, as employed on 4chan's "anon" bla bla -- they're not anonymous, it's just the identity attaqinable is very simple
1843634;1534972110;mircea_popescu;or else the very narrow groupuscle thing, like moronskutsy what's his name, making "challenges" for his troop of five people AND THEM ONLY.
1843635;1534972242;asciilifeform;i suspect the latter is simply adult-neotenous variant of that pasttime of just about erry intelligent little boy, to take group of playmates and 'put them in regiment', march'em around with wooden muskets
1843636;1534972358;asciilifeform;it's healthy in 5yo kid ( imho, and possibly asciilifeform is not unbiased, he did it... ) but there are folx who dun grow anything on top of it..
1843637;1534972363;mircea_popescu;very important that the group be small though, and stay small. must regard aliens suspiciously.
1843638;1534972369;mircea_popescu;really, it's the core of peasant culture.
1843639;1534972382;mircea_popescu;ontogenesis repeats philogenesis or how it went.
1843640;1534972453;asciilifeform;verily.
1843641;1534972556;mircea_popescu;anyway, but while discussing "new man" psychopathologies --- consider the dood who stole a plane to do barrel rolls on the basis of his video game experience.
1843642;1534972594;asciilifeform;i can think of many less entertaining methods of cashing in one's chips
1843643;1534972600;mircea_popescu;they call it "terrorism" and whatever, but all i can see is wediditredditardism. dood doesn't even conceptualize property in any sense above diego rivera's "it's the people's wall!".
1843644;1534972619;mircea_popescu;kid was bored at work, who may tell him he's not allowed ~the use~ of ~reddit's airplane~ to ~do some cool shit~ for a break ?
1843645;1534972629;mircea_popescu;it's how they do it! it's how it's done! wut do these old ppl want even!
1843646;1534972639;asciilifeform;dunno, erry week the local cops here pick up a car thief, who took for joyride, i dun think it is because 'did not understand property'
1843647;1534972667;mircea_popescu;the elements a) he was there ; and b) was bored and c) item was also there and so d) he did something with it. monkey implemented in human genome, what.
1843648;1534972675;mircea_popescu;simpler.
1843649;1534972694;asciilifeform;problem is that this describes errybody from kurchatov to pickpocket. pretty much all human activity, really.
1843650;1534972704;asciilifeform;certainly ~all constructive activity.
1843651;1534972715;mircea_popescu;how are the kids who "could do anything" and whose "education" cost literal millions [in bezzlars, but what else is there ?!?!] conceptualize that "no, fuckfaced, you're NOT GOOD ENOUGH for this usage of this item" ?
1843652;1534972746;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yet kurchatov generally understands that my women are off limits for his inferior limpdick.
1843653;1534972768;asciilifeform;lol, feynman didn't
1843654;1534972770;mircea_popescu;tell me this -- ever wondered why premature ejaculation is metastable in the population ?
1843655;1534972777;mircea_popescu;it should be selected against, and then disappear, right ?
1843656;1534972784;asciilifeform;( perhaps stretching the analogy, but possibly makes sense ? )
1843657;1534972804;mircea_popescu;except -- there's two mating strategies. there's the beta strategy where it tries to stick it in her while her back is turned ot the side and the owner is distracted. that'd better be quick.
1843658;1534972823;mircea_popescu;premature ejaculation is meta-stable because it is actually the key tool to the mating strategy of the beta.
1843659;1534972827;asciilifeform;hm the 'knights and knaves' trilema or where was it
1843660;1534972852;mircea_popescu;if you read the "social media", 100% the approach of the dweebs would be "i won't take up much of your time, anything"
1843661;1534972868;mircea_popescu;there's the man, who tells the woman, "it'll hurt" and then there's the boy, who tells the girl... "it won't hurt"
1843662;1534972874;asciilifeform;'sir can you spare a dime' -- erry beggar who ever lived . neh
1843663;1534972907;mircea_popescu;quite. but begging for "just turn your ass this way while talking to him" is ye oldest beggary.
1843664;1534972937;asciilifeform;upstack, i dun buy 'thief doesn't understand property'. chingishan understood property. just unzipped and pissed.
1843665;1534972960;mircea_popescu;i disagree.
1843666;1534972961;asciilifeform;not erry pickpocket, naturally, rises to leading golden horde. but basic principle same.
1843667;1534973103;asciilifeform;the man who pulls a great heist, is pissing on his assigned cattle stall and makes break for it. normally gets nowhere, but this is orthogonal.
1843668;1534973132;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in random http://btcbase.org/log/2015-01-21#985204 lulz, "I find it hard to believe that I could sit next to you on the bus let alone serve you".
1843669;1534973132;a111;Logged on 2015-01-21 01:37 mircea_popescu: very common problem people have on the internet, the "everyone is as stupid as me / everyone's a goat the same gender and age as me" issue.
1843670;1534973140;mircea_popescu;fancy that wonder, we were going to take the bus. what, not everyone does ?!?!?!?!
1843671;1534973153;mircea_popescu;i wonder how such invalidates one's opinions on things and matters...\
1843672;1534973243;asciilifeform;in some places ( e.g. east usa ) it is rare to see a fella who owns >1 shirt, on a bus
1843673;1534973294;mircea_popescu;i expect most of the 20something crowd is socialized in the fenceless suburbia and lulzy-ass campus.
1843674;1534973301;asciilifeform;if mircea_popescu were to go on the bus here, he will likely be the only white face on board
1843675;1534973316;mircea_popescu;so they have odd, to put it mildly, ideas. about personal space, about power and control, about proper behaviour, etcetera.
1843676;1534973416;asciilifeform;i can't resist to ask, if mircea_popescu will say, what he was doing on the bus. what, all 63 porches were in the shop ?
1843677;1534973439;mircea_popescu;it was entirely her metaphore.
1843678;1534973443;asciilifeform;aa
1843679;1534973443;mircea_popescu;i expect she does a lot of bussing.\
1843680;1534973454;asciilifeform;aaa!
1843681;1534973455;asciilifeform;i misread.
1843682;1534973503;mircea_popescu;most of the bussing i ever did was via greyhound trip in mid 2000s, and deliberately for to meet various such people as use the bus in the us.
1843683;1534973516;mircea_popescu;otherwise... i didn't even go by bus as a jr high kid, wtf is this.
1843684;1534973517;asciilifeform;also great for deepcover aha
1843685;1534973527;mircea_popescu;and for keeping one's insanity in check, and for many things.
1843686;1534973536;asciilifeform;'the man who kills you comes on bus, not on parachute' or how did it go.
1843687;1534973581;mircea_popescu;permits one to comment, upon that scene in film "road trip", that "no black mamie ever gave a white chick looking like amy smart a vibrator for free. EVER."
1843688;1534973918;asciilifeform;upstack re 'steal a boeing', recall the http://btcbase.org/log/2014-09-07#821351 fella ?
1843689;1534973918;a111;Logged on 2014-09-07 04:09 asciilifeform: (who? him: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/navy-nuclear-submarine-burned-arsonist-scrapped-article-1.1421356)
1843690;1534973933;mircea_popescu;ya ?
1843691;1534973963;asciilifeform;imho he did god's work.
1843692;1534973968;asciilifeform;whether politically 'aware' or not.
1843693;1534973999;asciilifeform;the janitor with a pail of petrol, is a t-cell, killing off inca cancer, whether knows it or not.
1843694;1534974040;asciilifeform;erry d00d who , instead of retreating into 'world of warcraft' and drink, goes out with a bang, is a nail in the inca coffin.
1843695;1534974086;asciilifeform;recall solzhenitsin and his 'if erry zak took an axe to nkvd head' lemma.
1843696;1534974212;asciilifeform;the moar militantly retarded inca reich becomes , the moar tcells will produce.
1843697;1534974252;asciilifeform;there were at least 2 sov mechanics who climbed into migs and took off.
1843698;1534974275;mircea_popescu;this seems correct to me.
1843699;1534974275;asciilifeform;( 1980s. wasn't publicized until after the final curtain call, unsurprisingly. )
1843700;1534974405;asciilifeform;or take the sargeant who stole two makarovs and narrowly missed brezhnev's head. etc
1843701;1534974470;asciilifeform;( interesting case, btw, they decided that shooting's too easy for him, put in 'psihushka', reportedly still alive today, as vegetable )
1843702;1534974675;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/p4rx << subj in eng
1843703;1534974712;asciilifeform;'Andropov: Why did you decide that you are a judge and can decide with a gun in your hands?   Ilyin: Because a person should live not exist.'
1843704;1534974750;mircea_popescu;hey, not bad.
1843705;1534975236;BingoBoingo;Inca should have ate less un popped popcorn if it doesn't want to feel the turdbumps
1843706;1534975246;asciilifeform;as for 'property', from my pov the janitor was no more or less 'proprietor' of the boeing, than the recipient of printing press largesse who paper-'owned' it.
1843707;1534975254;asciilifeform;'ownership is power to destroy' or how it went.
1843708;1534975332;asciilifeform;as i understand, the morons didn't even have the simple lock on the ignition that a toyota has.
1843709;1534975334;mircea_popescu;dude was literally just borrowing his roomate's colander
1843710;1534975346;mircea_popescu;and he dun see why that asshole has to make such a big deal out of it
1843711;1534975366;mircea_popescu;not like his parents didn't give it to him for free. or the dean did. or htat weird old guy. or someone anyway.
1843712;1534975376;mircea_popescu;notrealpeople. it just comes.
1843713;1534975386;asciilifeform;and not like the other fella's usg.parents didn't give him the airline for free.
1843714;1534975407;mircea_popescu;something like that. "it's ours by right of living here". like the bedsheets in the campus dorm.
1843715;1534975417;mircea_popescu;very mirvniki worldview, "land belongs to the cow"
1843716;1534975453;asciilifeform;it isn't as if the 'legit owner' is somehow not cow.
1843717;1534975458;mircea_popescu;https://duckduckgo.com/?q="mirvniki" << 100% tmsr references roflmao.
1843718;1534975459;asciilifeform;in 1900 perhaps was not.
1843719;1534975466;asciilifeform;today -- cow.
1843720;1534975516;asciilifeform;somehow when yellen toggles the printer and steals 9000 boeings , 'not stealing', somehow.
1843721;1534975520;asciilifeform;but janitor -- stole
1843722;1534975576;mircea_popescu;would you prefer "misuse" ?
1843723;1534975589;asciilifeform;https://duckduckgo.com/?q="miroyed" interestingly >0
1843724;1534975610;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'ma go with the trad 'liberate' !11
1843725;1534975629;mircea_popescu;aok
1843726;1534975638;mircea_popescu;except you can't liberate anything if !!key you doesn't work
1843727;1534975666;BingoBoingo;Boeing like schoolbus lacks a natural use. Might as well repurpose either as cabin in alaskan woods.
1843728;1534975692;asciilifeform;i expect at some point their !!key will work
1843729;1534975782;asciilifeform;tho the mechanics of the biology, i suspect, work against it, when d00d 'goes t-cell' he closes in, in rightful mistrust of stoolies and 'helping hands'
1843730;1534975819;asciilifeform;( on rare occasions, the dylan finds a klebold, and they go bang as a duet, but this is uncommon )
1843731;1534975976;asciilifeform;i recall a husband-and-wife set, Officially 'islamic' flavoured, coupla yrs ago
1843732;1534975983;asciilifeform;(afaik the only such case on Official record)
1843733;1534976015;mircea_popescu;the official record isn't comprehensive for obvious reasons.
1843734;1534976023;asciilifeform;recall, the ones where usg confiscated their life insurance post-facto
1843735;1534976036;asciilifeform;noshit
1843736;1534976093;BingoBoingo;Can't forget the organized retailiation strike in Oklahoma City to avenge Waco and Ruby Ridge
1843737;1534976110;BingoBoingo;Back when people talked about the other pants clinton
1843738;1534976122;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: that particular escapade had smell of provocateurs (who got 'more than bargained for') all over it tho
1843739;1534976145;asciilifeform;d00d was to set off a theatric 'bomb', per the script, but showed up with working one
1843740;1534976158;asciilifeform;'new york deathray gone wrong', if you will
1843741;1534976229;BingoBoingo;Well, fuel oil and the right fertilizer, and if you search Mcveigh in wikipedo it goes to a disambiguation page listing 2 seperate timothy mcveighs born in the 1960s
1843742;1534976238;asciilifeform;usg however did get what it wanted, yes minus one kindergarten , but plus metaldetectors and anal searches errywhere
1843743;1534976276;asciilifeform;( along with 'mandatory reporting' at erry hardware store re 'suspicious' buyers )
1843744;1534976371;asciilifeform;and they immediately built 'forbidden city', ming china style, around white house etc.
1843745;1534976401;mircea_popescu;worked so well for the ming, too...
1843746;1534976406;asciilifeform;( 'only a terrorist'(tm) could think to ask, why hero did not drive his truck to white house )
1843747;1534976464;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: street around whitehouse is hilarious themepark of lulz, 3 polizei and 1 german shepherd for erry tourist
1843748;1534976500;asciilifeform;somehow doesn't keep a hobo from climbing fence and busting in erry year or so, but 'hatefact'.
1843749;1534976547;mircea_popescu;always the same one ?
1843750;1534976561;asciilifeform;fuckifiknow
1843751;1534976566;mircea_popescu;would be lulzy.
1843752;1534976576;asciilifeform;that street has very unpleasant atmosphere, i avoid it on the rare occasions when going into town
1843753;1534976623;asciilifeform;mountains of rubbish, there , also, the guards aint paid to pick it up
1843754;1534976629;mircea_popescu;heh
1843755;1534976635;mircea_popescu;just patrol through it, right.
1843756;1534976639;asciilifeform;aha
1843757;1534976642;mircea_popescu;reminds me of the shitting-down-nuke-tube thing
1843758;1534976686;asciilifeform;speaking of which, there was a 'designated' hobo who for 30 yrs sat on the pavement there, unmolested, with picket signs 'end nuke reich' or to that effect
1843759;1534976692;asciilifeform;he finally keeled over coupla yr ago
1843760;1534976750;asciilifeform;they took and burned his tent and pickets, and arrested the imitators who tried to make new one
1843761;1534976851;*;asciilifeform bbl,teatime
1843762;1534977057;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> mountains of rubbish, there , also, the guards aint paid to pick it up << There are crews going around painting bouys assigned to land duty, I suspect preparations for summer are beginning
1843763;1534977919;lobbes;psa: looks like my box that houses the archive-o-matic went offline on Friday. It back up and eating through backlog; www should update sometime in the next ~ 2 hours >> http://lobbesblog.com/queryarchive/view_domains.php
1843764;1534977929;lobbes;*It is
1843765;1534979035;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in useful consumer items, http://www.koalaswim.com/Male-Display-Suits_c_26.html
1843766;1534982229;asciilifeform;in similar lulz, 'libXcursor could write one byte out of bounds when processing Xcursor theme files.  In certain cases, such as when used in the Firefox web browser, this could be used as part of an exploit chain to allow further attacks on an X client process...'
1843767;1534982909;mircea_popescu;awww/
1843768;1534992097;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/the-leak/ << Trilema - The leak...
1843769;1534999442;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/80808/ << Trilema - This is Trilema post #80808 and I'm running out of passible titles.
1843770;1535007838;ave1; !Q later tell trinque, my comment seems to be stuck in transit; http://trinque.org/2018/07/06/cuntoo-bootstrapper-preview/#comment-23
1843771;1535007848;ave1;!Q later tell trinque, my comment seems to be stuck in transit; http://trinque.org/2018/07/06/cuntoo-bootstrapper-preview/#comment-23
1843772;1535007848;lobbesbot;ave1: The operation succeeded.
1843773;1535018296;ave1;!Q later tell phf, I found the raw logs here http://btcbase.org/log-raw/, this go back to 2016. Do you also have the raw logs before #trilema? and could I download these somewhere (I tried to search the log but, so far seems to be looking for a pin in a haystack)
1843774;1535018296;lobbesbot;ave1: The operation succeeded.
1843775;1535031016;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/08/spanish-guardia-civil-shuts-down-outlaw-environmentalist-turtle-breeding-operation/ << Qntra - Spanish Guardia Civil Shuts Down Outlaw Environmentalist Turtle Breeding Operation
1843776;1535035460;mod6;mornin'
1843777;1535036977;BingoBoingo;Mornin'
1843778;1535038874;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i was thinking of your puzzler: if you want always optimal path, it afaik reduces to A* search. actually quite similar to pcb routing.
1843779;1535038887;mircea_popescu;ikr.
1843780;1535038928;asciilifeform;the odds/evens aspect gives it a 'nim' flavour , so there might be a seekrit optimization..
1843781;1535039020;mircea_popescu;if you recall ye olde http://trilema.com/2014/the-miracles-that-matter/ (especially in the light of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759562 style arguments), it should be obvious this is a sort of private mp worship
1843782;1535039020;a111;Logged on 2017-12-28 14:25 mircea_popescu: there's an imbecile's view of "intelligent design" being floated about (mostly by people who are looking for a strawman, and reconstructed by them for this purpose). here's the correct version :
1843783;1535039037;mircea_popescu;"how the fuck is it that i can restate alf's fg problems in terms of a mmorpg ?" and so on.
1843784;1535039047;asciilifeform;( to draw it as a graph, lay out only moves that 'conserve mass' )
1843785;1535039053;mircea_popescu;as the perdurant reader no doubt noticed, i'm a great restationist.
1843786;1535039065;asciilifeform;hey arithmetic worx on apples and bricks alike
1843787;1535039069;mircea_popescu;ikr!
1843788;1535039081;mircea_popescu;this, incidentallty, being the only metaphysics question worth asking
1843789;1535039093;mircea_popescu;none of the usual bullshit, "why something rather than nothing" "what is god" bla bla bla.
1843790;1535039098;asciilifeform;'the unreasonable effectiveness of mathematics'(tm)
1843791;1535039101;mircea_popescu;no. WHY arithmetics works on bricks and apples alike ?
1843792;1535039126;mircea_popescu;there's no fucking reason "directly available". not all sets gotta be the same kinds of sets.
1843793;1535039145;asciilifeform;( https://archive.is/OPdaD << the old piece of that title, for anyone who cares )
1843794;1535039150;Mocky;mircea_popescu, i just added a comment to puzzler blog post but seems cut off mid way
1843795;1535039208;Mocky;oh prolly my use of angle brackts for arrows ->
1843796;1535039216;mircea_popescu;do not do that.
1843797;1535039222;Mocky;we need more angle brackts
1843798;1535039223;mircea_popescu;html see ?
1843799;1535039232;mircea_popescu;anyway, repost your whole thing and ima delete the abortive attempt
1843800;1535039233;asciilifeform;pretty sure i stepped on this mine at least once
1843801;1535039310;asciilifeform;inbandism!111
1843802;1535039338;mircea_popescu;what can you do, provide pre-structured comment fields ?
1843803;1535039339;phf;asciilifeform: beat me to it, re puzzler as graph traversal
1843804;1535039340;lobbesbot;phf: Sent 5 hours and 50 minutes ago: <ave1> found the raw logs here http://btcbase.org/log-raw/, this go back to 2016. Do you also have the raw logs before #trilema? and could I download these somewhere (I tried to search the log but, so far seems to be looking for a pin in a haystack)
1843805;1535039349;mircea_popescu;imo this is a fine example to teach the failure of "no inband!!!"
1843806;1535039372;Mocky;ok, done. thx
1843807;1535039423;mircea_popescu;phf http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-25#1829555 etc!
1843808;1535039423;a111;Logged on 2018-06-25 22:10 asciilifeform: but this is 'obvious to alert reader'(tm)(r)
1843809;1535039457;asciilifeform;phf, mircea_popescu : i half-expected 'lol noshit, any puzzler can be written as A* search, this is copout' lol
1843810;1535039494;phf;asciilifeform: well, i suppose _i_ was expected to say "oh it's just a SAT"
1843811;1535039570;mircea_popescu;:[
1843812;1535039583;mircea_popescu;i mean :p lel
1843813;1535039603;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in principle this type of inbandism is curable, with simple pill, lookahead parser -- if not ~actual~ html, comment is processed as plain text. rather than the 'oops here's a < so i'ma drift off into stratosphere' existing nonsense
1843814;1535039618;mircea_popescu;mp-wp patches welcome!
1843815;1535039645;asciilifeform;this item's actually on my list for if/when i live to get to wpism patches
1843816;1535039650;mircea_popescu;imo current parser right thing -- it removes all non-permitted tags, which includes all non-terminated tags.
1843817;1535039656;mircea_popescu;how about people learn to write proper html for once ?
1843818;1535039665;mircea_popescu;support for this bs is how html soup became a thing.
1843819;1535039690;asciilifeform;escapes for < and > ?
1843820;1535039707;mircea_popescu;you are talking to a computer ; if you open a tag you close it ; nobody gives a shit what you ~thought~ the alphabet meant.
1843821;1535039714;asciilifeform;this gets very unpleasant, very quickly, sorta why blogs with code snippets are stuck with wp plugin crapola
1843822;1535039730;mircea_popescu;support for they naive is not worth having. know what talking to a computer means as part of your existing in the world, which is to say, outsider of the harem where some slave spawned you.
1843823;1535039746;mircea_popescu;trilema has code snippets no plugins crapola.
1843824;1535039806;asciilifeform;i'ma have to read this wonder
1843825;1535039999;mircea_popescu;Mocky answered ; prepare to mindblown ?
1843826;1535040239;Mocky;aha, I suspected something like this would surface
1843827;1535040257;Mocky;completely unknown to me
1843828;1535040293;phf;ave1: ah thank you, i forgot that i kept the two separate. the folder is not exposed, but i'll merge the two together. there's also an even older (spotty) log from apr 2012 to oct 2013, that includes pre #b-a #bitcoin-otc content, that's available through btcbase, but exists only in xchat (?) log format, that i parse
1843829;1535041859;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/08/consumer-spy-software-left-piles-of-data-in-exposed-bucket/ << Qntra - Consumer Spy Software Left Piles Of Data In Exposed Bucket
1843830;1535041860;asciilifeform;Mocky: http://trilema.com/2018/algorithmics-problem-seeking-experts/#comment-126542
1843831;1535043131;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/08/intel-adds-anti-benchmarking-clause-to-licenses-for-microcode-updates/ << Qntra - Intel Adds "Anti Benchmarking" Clause To Licenses For Microcode Updates
1843832;1535043266;asciilifeform;lol!!
1843833;1535043284;asciilifeform;whip, whip that hellespont!
1843834;1535043683;mircea_popescu;heh, remember when "car manufacturers", got dekulakized by the pantsuit, resulting in some shit packaged in ye olde "mercedes" "wv" etc boxes, which then didn't work worth a shit ?
1843835;1535043702;asciilifeform;the diesel thing ? aha
1843836;1535043729;mircea_popescu;but remember when politburo decided shit sandwich just as good as imperialistic-bourgeois decadent cured meats ?
1843837;1535043731;asciilifeform;apparently the vw people weren't quite 'smart' enuff to try an' prohibit mileage benchmark
1843838;1535043741;mircea_popescu;and pravda wasn't allowed to publish benchmarks anymoar ?
1843839;1535043799;asciilifeform;i can picture the intel execs, golf club in one hand and martini in other, 'why didn't we think of this before' 'hey next time let's not just prohibit benchmark, but only if answer isn't what we like' 'brilliant, this will be at next board agenda'
1843840;1535043903;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: afaik the car people still required to publish 'mpg' in usa. the konsoomer simply told to suck it.
1843841;1535043956;asciilifeform;( auto still elementarily includes odometer an' fuel gauge, can't exactly hide the figure )
1843842;1535043969;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, picture also the morons making all the "smart" airport humiliation technology, golf club in one hand, martini in another, trying to figure out how their entire hr dept imploded over the weekend and what to do about it./
1843843;1535043990;asciilifeform;ah the http://trilema.com/2018/the-leak/ people
1843844;1535043997;mircea_popescu;the very same.
1843845;1535044057;asciilifeform;since when is 1 chix a 'dept'
1843846;1535044065;mircea_popescu;since america ended.
1843847;1535044105;mircea_popescu;the ineluctable fate of dead empire, stuck pretending, is that everything's a succession of single points of failure.
1843848;1535044132;asciilifeform;so they sit for a day without a secretary until hire new one
1843849;1535044155;mircea_popescu;lel.
1843850;1535044168;mircea_popescu;outsiders can't readily appreciate the sheer POVERTY of all these chosen sons.
1843851;1535044288;asciilifeform;erry slave galley i've ever toiled on, solved this problem by... hiring secretary from the actively-imploding firm next door
1843852;1535044302;asciilifeform;( i imagine, triggering a kind of domino cascade, whoknows )
1843853;1535044333;asciilifeform;they move, like electron hole in semiconductor.
1843854;1535044461;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Catch is if they hire the wrong secretary, they are the next firm to implode
1843855;1535044534;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 99% of what 'hr' chix does , in american firm, is filling out usg.mandated crapola for new hires. not exactly reactor control.
1843856;1535044555;asciilifeform;trained dolphin could prolly manage.
1843857;1535044637;BingoBoingo;Well, hr chix are also responsible for making a hostile work environment by promoting 500 species of harrasments
1843858;1535044669;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: typically that's at large galleys where there's 4 or 5 of'em
1843859;1535044690;asciilifeform;per branch office.
1843860;1535044745;BingoBoingo;Well, that's probably why the condensed their HR department to this single HR operator.
1843861;1535044754;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you have no fucking idea.
1843862;1535044770;asciilifeform;small firms get to outsource the ritual to corps of professional priests, they mail in the mandatory oaths, slide decks, etc .
1843863;1535044794;BingoBoingo;I can't imagine there is a surplus of HR chix capable of working alone or in sufficiently small groups to avoid creating a culture of drama.
1843864;1535044796;mircea_popescu;no, seriously. this is the live-on-boat thing all over again.
1843865;1535044807;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i can only comment re what i saw personally.
1843866;1535044825;mircea_popescu;do you realise that ~the whole item is powered out of"clerical error" ? "you put wrong x on wrong color form, now you owe six figures" ?
1843867;1535044840;mircea_popescu;sold house at wrong time, added to "401k" wrong amount, bla bla bla.
1843868;1535044868;mircea_popescu;most of these people ~are poor~. single clerical error in hr can destructure a firm through the simple procedure of "director" is now "inmate" as can not afford to pay tax bills ?
1843869;1535044878;asciilifeform;that'd be in the cpa, not hr
1843870;1535044885;mircea_popescu;there's 0 slack on one hand ; and the whole thing is powered on "mistake".
1843871;1535044890;asciilifeform;errywhere i've seen with own eyes, these were separate desks
1843872;1535044897;mircea_popescu;heh.
1843873;1535044917;mircea_popescu;what "cpa" ? hr does everything. payroll, relocation, you name it.
1843874;1535044927;asciilifeform;and cpa is a contractor, and theoretically liable for 'oops, wrong form'
1843875;1535044949;mircea_popescu;you are talking of a world that only exists in your own imagination.
1843876;1535044958;mircea_popescu;what, who ? deloitte ? liable ? REALLY ?
1843877;1535044970;mircea_popescu;or what, ernst & young ? "oh, they did it" ?
1843878;1535044971;asciilifeform;on paper, lol
1843879;1535044977;mircea_popescu;get out of here.
1843880;1535044993;asciilifeform;in reality , obviously 'we have note from hitler, and you don't, suck it'
1843881;1535045006;mircea_popescu;did http://trilema.com/2013/our-emperor-deliver-us/#selection-39.330-39.450 read "and law firm is liable for difference, which it'll pay" ?
1843882;1535045070;asciilifeform;last i knew , they were paper-liable for 'coarse errors of pilotage' strictly (e.g. 'wrong form wrong time' )
1843883;1535045075;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/08/reality-winner-gets-63-month-prison-stay-as-prize-for-poor-leaking-hygiene/ << Qntra - "Reality Winner" Gets 63 Month Prison Stay As Prize For Poor Leaking Hygiene
1843884;1535045147;asciilifeform;at any rate, if mircea_popescu tells that there's a boiler room scamop where the hr chix is also the accountant and the council etc -- i'ma believe him, at this point i'm ready to believe plenty.
1843885;1535045511;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Yraem/?raw=true
1843886;1535045551;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: got it, interesting
1843887;1535045589;asciilifeform;gnarly.
1843888;1535045862;asciilifeform;and indeed usgulag is powered by not only printing press but confiscating savings from ~randomly-picked engineers, little-league 'ceo', etc . a la mr stack.
1843889;1535045877;asciilifeform;for that matter asciilifeform's been on receiving end of it personally.
1843890;1535045975;mircea_popescu;someone's gotta pay for all the women sitting around dreaming shit up.
1843891;1535045984;asciilifeform;[insert the mandatory  m: 'what the fuck are you still doing there, are you a tard'   a: 'i dun have useful skills for outside the fence'  thread here !  ]
1843892;1535045996;*;mircea_popescu shall bbl.
1843893;1535046738;asciilifeform;see also http://btcbase.org/log/2014-06-30#737870 (tm)(r)('donald duck', 1942)
1843894;1535046738;a111;Logged on 2014-06-30 02:26 asciilifeform: 'Iz this Nutzi land so good / Would you leave it if you could / Ja, this Nutzi land is good / Ve would leave it if we could!'
1843895;1535047033;asciilifeform;i'll add, usg learned from ye olde ussr -- the latter was equally efficient at preventing plebes from accumulating escape-powering capital, but less so at preventing 'marketability' outside the barbed wire. hence the 1st wave of emigres who went into waiting arms of natostan industry, academia. but current-day usa, they patched this hole, nao you gotta have some pretty serious world-class talent ( e.g. concert pianist ), or at the ve
1843896;1535047033;asciilifeform;ry least cuntlips and mp-approved figure, to get properly and truly loose.
1843897;1535047112;asciilifeform;fwiw asciilifeform is not the only 'tard' tuned in, last i knew mod6 , trinque , ben_vulpes , lobbes , also still behind the wire.
1843898;1535047146;asciilifeform;i can't speak for what particularly they're manacled to, only for self, tho.
1843899;1535047174;phf;1st of emigres to go straight into natostan * were serious world-class talent, others worked cashier jobs
1843900;1535047184;asciilifeform;phf: aha
1843901;1535047196;asciilifeform;i've met both, this is not a seekrit afaik
1843902;1535047236;asciilifeform;there was a short transition where 'ok we'll give you professorship, but not tenured' but it was short.
1843903;1535047556;asciilifeform;i suppose i oughta have included phf in the list of 'i have nfi what ~they~'re still doing in natoreich'
1843904;1535047589;asciilifeform;( iirc phf mentioned even having a working ru passport )
1843905;1535047729;BingoBoingo;And we have received 5 1TB SSD's.
1843906;1535048708;mod6;hey! nice!
1843907;1535052749;mats;https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=153504937925732&w=2
1843908;1535053230;asciilifeform;mats: see lulthread http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-23#1843831
1843909;1535053230;a111;Logged on 2018-08-23 16:52 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/08/intel-adds-anti-benchmarking-clause-to-licenses-for-microcode-updates/ << Qntra - Intel Adds "Anti Benchmarking" Clause To Licenses For Microcode Updates
1843910;1535053285;asciilifeform;the notion that 'intel with fixes' will have process isolation, is hilarious
1843911;1535053325;asciilifeform;there's 9000+ nobus, and the ceremonial 'fix' for 3 or 4 makes no diff
1843912;1535053588;asciilifeform;anybody who actually relies on process isolation on x86, of whatever kind, is 100% fucked, dun matter what kind of mind games he plays with himself or his misfortunate customers
1843913;1535057157;Mocky;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-23#1843778 I initially ruled out A* for lack of admissible heuristic. maybe asciilifeform can see O(1) (or even O(n) ) heuristic to estimate remaining steps in e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-20#1525884 without ever overestimating
1843914;1535057157;a111;Logged on 2018-08-23 15:41 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was thinking of your puzzler: if you want always optimal path, it afaik reduces to A* search. actually quite similar to pcb routing.
1843915;1535057157;a111;Logged on 2016-08-20 14:39 mircea_popescu: i have eight sets of "sb" (solid branch) :  503 q 222 ; 1466 q 3 ; 973 q 207 ; 983 q 252 ; 1651 q 258 ; 2963 q 189 ; 563 q 22 and 336 q 225. the first number is the count, the second the quality (depends on your mining, whatever) ; you can mix these, the game will floor the average quality. this means you can lose matter through mixing, so you want to mix stacks so as to obtain the highest possible quality final.
1843916;1535059049;asciilifeform;Mocky: admissible heuristic is not difficult, simply must not ~over~ estimate the cost. can simply take 'number of remaining piles , squared' or the like
1843917;1535059069;asciilifeform;or maybe not, hm
1843918;1535059746;Mocky;for example this pile of 4 requires 2 moves: 1x1q 100x1000q 100x1001q 1x2001q, while if you do it without the last pile: the remaining 3 require 20 steps
1843919;1535059844;Mocky;but i've been thinking on this, and I do think it's possible to come up with one that works in linear time
1843920;1535059845;asciilifeform;Mocky: i still dun get why your algo requires the xor of the ~quality~'s oddness bits to be 0
1843921;1535059876;asciilifeform;Mocky: you can losslessly mix e.g. Na=10,Qa=8,Nb=5,Qb=11
1843922;1535059888;asciilifeform;( possibly mircea_popescu already pointed this out , but it follows from the eqn )
1843923;1535059995;asciilifeform;(80+55) = 9 * (10+5) , new quality is 9, integer
1843924;1535060016;Mocky;well, i was given a somewhat different problem statement 2 months ago. more of a software requirement than problem statement actually: http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-06-10.log.html#t18:59:23
1843925;1535060017;lobbesbot;Logged on 2018-06-10 18:59:23: <diana_coman> so you want to ever mix only same quantity of items and of qualities either both odd or both even so you don't lose anything
1843926;1535060037;asciilifeform;this statement is true, but it overtight constraint on moves
1843927;1535060039;Mocky;turns out oversimplification
1843928;1535060068;asciilifeform;any move that satisfies the eqn K(Na+Nb) == NaQa + NbQb , where K is integer, is valid
1843929;1535060082;asciilifeform;(i.e. lossless)
1843930;1535060125;Mocky;i get it now
1843931;1535060223;mircea_popescu;Mocky it's certainly possible to give maximal step count though O(n) heuristic.
1843932;1535060246;mircea_popescu;amusingly, prime number count heuristics play a part.
1843933;1535060326;Mocky;asciilifeform, at the time, wasn't trying to confirm correctness of problem statement, was trying to deliver useful feature as described
1843934;1535060383;asciilifeform;Mocky: rright, but iirc mircea_popescu posed 'prove this algo is optimal, or if not, show the optimal' puzzler
1843935;1535060383;mircea_popescu;yeah, what diana specified there was basically the already extant private item.
1843936;1535060717;mircea_popescu;mod6 i'm sorry, but ima have to refund you. whole exercise turned into a massive pile of idiocy. im closing an entire bank out of the loop over their idiotic misbehaviour ; we'll have to try this again later on.
1843937;1535060736;Mocky;asciilifeform, sure but demonstrating overtight constraint in extant algo dun do either. nor does proposing A* without heuristic
1843938;1535060754;mircea_popescu;fucking useless "banks", i swear to god by now it's the exact equivalent of "technology" from bed sitting room, guy-pedals-electricity.
1843939;1535060764;mircea_popescu;mod6 what'd you prefer, !!pay or ecu ?
1843940;1535061026;mod6;mircea_popescu: ah ok, thanks for the update.  I'll get back to ya here in a bit on what's best for unwind.
1843941;1535061054;mircea_popescu;sadly.
1843942;1535061653;asciilifeform;Mocky: i dun have a proper heuristic yet. but must note that 'xor(qa&1, qb&1)==0' is overtight, so unlikely that earlier algo is optimal
1843943;1535061818;Mocky;noted
1843944;1535063617;asciilifeform;!!up diana_away
1843945;1535063618;deedbot;diana_away voiced for 30 minutes.
1843946;1535063651;diana_away;hey, thanks asciilifeform ! back from the Pacific here, still no ocelot
1843947;1535063651;lobbesbot;diana_away: Sent 3 days, 18 hours, and 28 minutes ago: <mircea_popescu> what if we hard-forbid low ids, server side as ad interim measure ?
1843948;1535063722;*;BingoBoingo wondering if Costa Rica does Arepas or if those never made it across the Darien Gap
1843949;1535063737;diana_away;BingoBoingo: what are Arepas?
1843950;1535063797;BingoBoingo;diana_away: Latino johnny cakes. A flat cornbread just thick enough to split and stuff with other Latino foods.
1843951;1535063820;diana_away;hm, here they have this "tres leches" cake that kid is in love with
1843952;1535063912;diana_away;food wise to be honest I kept to fish and seafood which are both good and fruit which is clearly an entire level above what one gets in europe but apparently I like it better in cocktails if anything
1843953;1535063936;diana_away;I'm not much for tropical fruit apparently
1843954;1535063939;BingoBoingo;Ah
1843955;1535064038;diana_away;I even had a "shrimp spaguetti" with white whine and what-not - it was delicious; oh, and the fig cake - this should be on asciilifeform's list I'd say
1843956;1535064041;BingoBoingo;All the expats from baseball latino lands (Colombia/Vzla) seem to love Maracuyá (passion fruit), but I find the flavor rather astringent and bitter.
1843957;1535064074;diana_away;I guess I should give that one another try here too
1843958;1535064081;BingoBoingo;If you come to Uruguay, avoid the shrimp pastas. Very underwhelming as a rule.
1843959;1535064111;diana_away;this clearly had more wine and shrimp than pasta so it was good :D
1843960;1535064140;BingoBoingo;Most pastas here are underwhelming, but when you add shrimp they charge too much of a premium for the disappointment.
1843961;1535064153;diana_away;ahahah, sounds real
1843962;1535064178;BingoBoingo;This is not a very seafood oriented culture despite proximity to the sea
1843963;1535064196;diana_away;I found funny here this thing with american-pretending-to-be-italian food esp salami in the supermarket
1843964;1535064214;BingoBoingo;We get some of that.
1843965;1535064266;BingoBoingo;In the supermarket we also get mixed English/Spanish food labeling. Like the envelope of "Arroz Primavera" which is subtitled "Rice Primavera"
1843966;1535064284;diana_away;ahaha
1843967;1535064307;diana_away;on the bright side I can say that I got along with my adapted italian so far
1843968;1535064330;diana_away;ticos seem generally eager to figure it out anyway, so it works
1843969;1535064351;BingoBoingo;Or the "Manteca de mani: Creamy" which looking closer at the label came to Uruguay from Germany via Venezuala
1843970;1535064384;diana_away;lol
1843971;1535064437;diana_away;mircea_popescu ping
1843972;1535064490;diana_away;BingoBoingo: are people in uruguay walking on the side of the motorway too?
1843973;1535064511;BingoBoingo;diana_away: More commonly IN the motorway
1843974;1535064518;diana_away;improvement!!!
1843975;1535064551;BingoBoingo;And the motocicletas use the sidewalks for delicate maneuvers
1843976;1535064561;diana_away;they had at some point this big sign reading "more monkeys than people" so perhaps they know something about it
1843977;1535064591;diana_away;oh and the great sign on the beach: "sandwishes allowed@
1843978;1535064597;BingoBoingo;lol
1843979;1535064719;diana_away;kid loves the monkeys but he found some very friendly "amigos" ticos rather too much
1843980;1535064776;BingoBoingo;I did learn this week that the word for guinea pig in Spanish is "Cuy" so I can have fun with that asking vendors at the feria to help me pick a good one for dinner
1843981;1535064809;BingoBoingo;It turns out the get the "pig" in their name because they do look like little pigs when you get the hair off of them.
1843982;1535064830;BingoBoingo;The kid may be disappointed by the lack of monkeys in Uruguay
1843983;1535064872;diana_away;ah, I'd always thought they looked more like fat rats
1843984;1535064926;diana_away;there were some monkeys going on the wires with the tails curled on a higher wire so it was basically trolleybus monkeys
1843985;1535064943;BingoBoingo;lol, like Squirrels?
1843986;1535064963;diana_away;squirrels are clearly just furry rats
1843987;1535064984;diana_away;although the red ones which are the only proper squirrels look less like rats
1843988;1535065047;diana_away;re picking stuff, I did ask for some chicken for the child at one restaurant and what he got clearly went moo in its life but since he did not complain anyway...
1843989;1535065303;BingoBoingo;I'm still calibrating when/where to have low expectations here
1843990;1535065582;BingoBoingo;!!up diana_away
1843991;1535065582;deedbot;diana_away voiced for 30 minutes.
1843992;1535070027;asciilifeform;Mocky, mircea_popescu , diana_away , et al : anybody find closed form for 'q1 and q2 miscible or not' ? all i have is Na(Qa - k) + Nb(Qb - k) = 0, for 1<=Na<=size(pileA), 1<=Nb<=size(pileB), integer k exists , but no better
1843993;1535070034;asciilifeform;but i suspect that i'm thick
1843994;1535070041;mod6;mircea_popescu: Alright, sorry to keep you waiting here.  I'd say Pizarro is fine to hang on to ECU if we can try again in the next say, 60 days.  This would eliminate the step of having to buy ECU (which clearly isn't a problem anyway).  Otherwise, you can just !!pay.  Amount was 1.1bn ECU.  I originally bought 1.2bn from dpb, and I was going to hold the remaining 100mn until the end of the year, unless we
1843995;1535070048;mod6;used it.
1843996;1535070099;mod6;Unless you want to also do us the favor of taking the additional 100mn ECU, and just !!pay'ing 1.2 BTC back to Pizarro.  Totally up to you.  We appreciate very much your efforts on this.  I think we'll find a way eventually.
1843997;1535070145;asciilifeform;so if we say F(q1,q2) = 1 if miscible, 0 if not, then e.g. F(2,3)=0, F(2,5)=1, F(3,5)=1, F(4,5)=0, F(4,7)=1 ...
1843998;1535070164;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-23#1843771 << ah, hadn't checked the queue in some time. approved (afaik this means your next comment won't require approval)
1843999;1535070164;a111;Logged on 2018-08-23 07:04 ave1: !Q later tell trinque, my comment seems to be stuck in transit; http://trinque.org/2018/07/06/cuntoo-bootstrapper-preview/#comment-23
1844000;1535070164;lobbesbot;trinque: Sent 17 hours and 18 minutes ago: <ave1> comment seems to be stuck in transit; http://trinque.org/2018/07/06/cuntoo-bootstrapper-preview/#comment-23
1844001;1535070193;asciilifeform;very definitely ~not~ if-and-only-if xor(qa&1, qb&1)==0 tho.
1844002;1535070243;trinque;I'll try to find time to reproduce soon. you are correct that the var in script needs to point to the version of portage in distfiles.
1844003;1535070253;trinque;will otherwise reply on teh blag
1844004;1535070310;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-23#1843898 << not manacled, texas doesn't bother me, and I've not concluded yet how far away currency implosion is for the great soviet
1844005;1535070310;a111;Logged on 2018-08-23 17:59 asciilifeform: i can't speak for what particularly they're manacled to, only for self, tho.
1844006;1535070335;trinque;if soon, I'm going to ride it out right here.
1844007;1535070514;asciilifeform;trinque: makes sense. tho thread wasn't about the inevitable mass implosion, but the erryday 'losing the lottery' where usg decides yer a good candidate for cokemachine
1844008;1535070601;asciilifeform;( currently seems to stick to preying on the bottom half of the bell curve, mostly, but i suspect this won't last )
1844009;1535070670;asciilifeform;not even speaking of whatever part of you is denominated in fiatola, ~that~ they can pick up and walk off with whenever feel like it, without even arrests or trials
1844010;1535070742;asciilifeform;by all indications, texas, or alaska, or apparently even mexico, not far enuff.
1844011;1535070818;*;trinque can't argue it wont happen, or whether I have to shoot somebody breaking in tonight, or...
1844012;1535071213;asciilifeform;if history's any guide, they're still in the 'first we'll try and starve the judenschwein, make'em unemployable, then they'll sell their gold to good aryans on their own power' stage of the algo
1844013;1535071216;asciilifeform;but i dun specifically know.
1844014;1535071382;asciilifeform;fwiw both '20s su and '30s reich followed this model.
1844015;1535071429;trinque;who in this model is the jew, in the present case
1844016;1535071453;asciilifeform;us zeks with btc
1844017;1535071567;asciilifeform;20th c was century of dekulakizations, where 'these motherfuckers won't give up their hard currency to socialist motherland, let's light fire under their feet', typically shooting was not 1st step, but last step, of algo
1844018;1535071671;mircea_popescu;trinque how many men > 50 with a house do you know ?
1844019;1535071686;mircea_popescu;what's the ratio of those to men > 50 who ~used~ to own a house ?
1844020;1535071700;trinque;quite a few, but my meatwot isn't generally representative
1844021;1535071756;mircea_popescu;well, it's the argument he's bringing. "whether the pantsuit "nationalize" property for reasons to do with the property, like the soviet-pantsuit, or for reasons to do with you, like the nazi-pantsuit, fact remains they're stealing shit because they're socialists, that's what they do"
1844022;1535071780;asciilifeform;see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-29#1676200
1844023;1535071780;a111;Logged on 2017-06-29 17:32 BingoBoingo: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=8142 << "Her attorney informed us this morning, that although the deed is being assigned to my sister, my brother and I, that if my mother requires nursing home care through Medicare at any point over the next five years, that the Feds will take the house to pay the bills. "
1844024;1535071800;trinque;sure, only thing I'd counter is the game by which they steal is the same test-taking nonsense seen elsewhere
1844025;1535071802;mircea_popescu;herr heinrich who used to have a nuts and botls factory which hitler took from him because "we had a dreirich younger and better and managing your factory" or which stalin took from him "Because factories don't belong with heinrichs", in the end the same thing occured.
1844026;1535071812;trinque;it's not as though anyone's coming at me with quantum physics on an IRS form
1844027;1535071831;mircea_popescu;trinque the proposition is that to believe you understand "the method" is a nonsense stance, in a circumstance where "the method" is mere pretense.
1844028;1535071870;mircea_popescu;yes, "you understant how esltard  chicks mate", dates, whatever. looky here : the cunt will fill up, there's no method. there's only fashion, and fashion's a) irrational and b) unreliable.
1844029;1535071876;asciilifeform;trinque: usg tax code weighs, what, 15 tonnes ? didja srsly read all of it ? betcha there's 9001 ways to hang you, me, any other zek, in'ere, if needed.
1844030;1535071887;asciilifeform;( and, bonus, is amended ~erry week )
1844031;1535071895;trinque;this imagined circumstance where they're even 5% effective is just that.
1844032;1535071895;mircea_popescu;"needed" being rhetorical flourish. i don't crush ants because needed.
1844033;1535071908;trinque;they're not staffed for that
1844034;1535071911;mircea_popescu;trinque you know, being shot at is <5% effective.
1844035;1535071915;mircea_popescu;most people tend to take it seriously.
1844036;1535071921;asciilifeform;'needed' is broad concept. happened to see ant , stomped
1844037;1535071929;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform or happened to not see.
1844038;1535071934;asciilifeform;or.
1844039;1535071937;asciilifeform;either worx.
1844040;1535072034;asciilifeform;when ant specifically targeted, it's short shrift , 10y ago they would've tried you for your woman's illicit fox coat, or that d00d with the 'illegal wood' guitar, etc. today not even this needed , 'ooops police broke wrong door' etc
1844041;1535072078;asciilifeform;'ooops your aunt had stroke and now in nursing home, you owe yer 2 houses'
1844042;1535072100;trinque;where is the wonderland without "oops X fucked your Y" and I'll pack today
1844043;1535072108;asciilifeform;'we saw you got 10 btc and didn't declare, that'll be 900k plz by tuesday'
1844044;1535072128;trinque;I recall plenty of razorwire in CR. decorative?
1844045;1535072157;mircea_popescu;they're fixated on metalwork.
1844046;1535072203;asciilifeform;trinque: the way i conceptualize it, yes errybody has sr-90 in their bones. but some folx live right on top of reactor 4 , and others not
1844047;1535072205;BingoBoingo;Seriously, here they have metal fences around everything. Totally decorative
1844048;1535072240;mircea_popescu;also he should have said decorative??? like in those old pot awareness psas.
1844049;1535072242;BingoBoingo;Some here top there fences with small electric fences. Stotting behavior
1844050;1535072303;asciilifeform;it is possible to be shivved by street robber in sao paolo, or gnawed by bear in kamchatka, etc. but robber and bear do not grep yer packetz for 'might have btc' etc
1844051;1535072337;asciilifeform;they're 'shrapnel addressed 'to occupant'' rather than 'bullet with yername on it'
1844052;1535072339;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo amusing chinesium, they click/spark etc.
1844053;1535072359;BingoBoingo;Occasionally set fires
1844054;1535072374;BingoBoingo;I doubt most are powered on
1844055;1535072387;mircea_popescu;expensive lol.
1844056;1535072404;BingoBoingo;Seriously
1844057;1535072415;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: ordinary compass will tell you if it's powered, no need to touch
1844058;1535072492;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-23#1843958 << argentards think pasta is potato flake mush.
1844059;1535072492;a111;Logged on 2018-08-23 22:41 BingoBoingo: If you come to Uruguay, avoid the shrimp pastas. Very underwhelming as a rule.
1844060;1535072497;BingoBoingo;They only happen here ~10 feet up on top of unelectrified barriers.
1844061;1535072498;asciilifeform;( esp if you think there's an alarm, connected to gestapo , with current sensor )
1844062;1535072659;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-24#1843992 <<< no, that's the formula.
1844063;1535072659;a111;Logged on 2018-08-24 00:20 asciilifeform: Mocky, mircea_popescu , diana_away , et al : anybody find closed form for 'q1 and q2 miscible or not' ? all i have is Na(Qa - k) + Nb(Qb - k) = 0, for 1<=Na<=size(pileA), 1<=Nb<=size(pileB), integer k exists , but no better
1844064;1535072686;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-24#1843996 << this is fine, do i shoot it ?
1844065;1535072686;a111;Logged on 2018-08-24 00:21 mod6: Unless you want to also do us the favor of taking the additional 100mn ECU, and just !!pay'ing 1.2 BTC back to Pizarro.  Totally up to you.  We appreciate very much your efforts on this.  I think we'll find a way eventually.
1844066;1535072704;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: right! but how to evaluate F(qa,qb) without iterating through all possible na,nb.
1844067;1535072715;mircea_popescu;right ?
1844068;1535072733;mircea_popescu;closed form is closed form, fuck you and mz. heuristics tied together to the same pole.
1844069;1535072735;asciilifeform;i sawed on it, tried to transform to system of diophantines, but came up empty
1844070;1535072749;mircea_popescu;hence my comment re euler's count of primes etc.
1844071;1535072758;asciilifeform;didn't even get as far as primes
1844072;1535072772;asciilifeform;( if mircea_popescu did, would be interesting to read how )
1844073;1535072774;mod6;mircea_popescu: yeah, go ahead and !!pay 1.2 BTC back to me, and I'll meet ya on eulora to pay you 100mn ECU.  Thanks!
1844074;1535072783;mircea_popescu;!!pay mod6 1.2
1844075;1535072788;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/As0H8/?raw=true
1844076;1535072859;mod6;im in old-town when you're ready
1844077;1535072866;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-24#1844048 << lol, so maybe it is!
1844078;1535072866;a111;Logged on 2018-08-24 00:57 mircea_popescu: also he should have said decorative??? like in those old pot awareness psas.
1844079;1535072866;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: my observation was, the old algo rejects some legal moves (e.g. 4,7 )
1844080;1535072871;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform specifically via diophantine : if a and b is a natural interval then a*p + b * q (p, q arbitrary constants) will not admit factors ever so often (when they sum to a prime)
1844081;1535072921;asciilifeform;when a*p and b*q sum to prime ?
1844082;1535072923;mircea_popescu;though our constraint is narrower than "not admit factors", but if you do the whole thing in modulo-ai+bi...
1844083;1535072974;mircea_popescu;it comes to the same thing.
1844084;1535073135;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform am i making any sense to you ?
1844085;1535073225;asciilifeform;not yet
1844086;1535073250;asciilifeform;what i got thus far, is that Na(Qa - k) + Nb(Qb - k) = 0 admits solutions ( some Na, Nb ) for certain Qa,Qb but not others.
1844087;1535073312;asciilifeform;4+7=11, prime, but has solutions ( entire diagonal of'em)
1844088;1535073348;mircea_popescu;what 4 + 7 is this ?!
1844089;1535073395;asciilifeform;q1,q2
1844090;1535073407;mircea_popescu;that's not what's being contemplated.
1844091;1535073413;mod6;oh when p and q are 1?
1844092;1535073473;mircea_popescu;consider the intervals of N (0...a], (0...b]. for two arbitrary values from N, p, q. the sum of the series-product in the ring modulo-sum is ~sometimes~ 0.
1844093;1535073519;mircea_popescu;numerically : (0..100], (0..80], 17, 19. 1 * 17 + 5 * 19 modulo (1+5) = 4.
1844094;1535073570;mircea_popescu;seems to me that EXACTLY like in the original case of the diophantine approach to "just how many primes are there" we've in fact drawn a conical here in a multi-dimesional space.
1844095;1535073584;asciilifeform;i follow thus far
1844096;1535073590;mircea_popescu;that's all i had.
1844097;1535073599;asciilifeform;cooking up a lol re subj, brb
1844098;1535073608;mircea_popescu;this function is neither derivable nor even continuous. can call it eulora mix function or w/e.
1844099;1535073871;mod6;neato
1844100;1535074056;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-24#1844008 << the criterion rather seems to be "old[er] male". which even has a lot of historical backing (perhaps most amusing of which, anyone know how the problem of double-spent land grants was solved upon the death of caesar ?
1844101;1535074056;a111;Logged on 2018-08-24 00:30 asciilifeform: ( currently seems to stick to preying on the bottom half of the bell curve, mostly, but i suspect this won't last )
1844102;1535074069;mircea_popescu;pro-tip : the older set of veterans got fucked.)
1844103;1535074345;mircea_popescu;mod6 i dun see you in old town ?
1844104;1535074407;mod6;oh one sec.
1844105;1535074421;mod6;must have timed out.
1844106;1535074444;mod6;no nevermind.  im over by Heina.
1844107;1535074448;mircea_popescu;a new town. brt.
1844108;1535074459;mod6;Oooh.  Sorry thought that was old town.
1844109;1535074494;mircea_popescu;nah remember up on that hill by electron ?
1844110;1535074558;mod6;oooh, gotcha derp
1844111;1535074590;mod6;cheers!
1844112;1535074592;asciilifeform;ok, here goes...
1844113;1535074636;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mp.gif
1844114;1535074647;asciilifeform;is the method obvious here or should i describe
1844115;1535074680;mod6;sick tattoo
1844116;1535074696;asciilifeform;white pixel : valid solution for some qa,qb,na,nb
1844117;1535074713;asciilifeform;outer grid is x : qa, y : qb
1844118;1535074713;mircea_popescu;is this the map of mixings
1844119;1535074714;mircea_popescu;\yeah
1844120;1535074723;asciilifeform;inner grids are x : na, y : nb .
1844121;1535074747;mircea_popescu;indeed most elegant.
1844122;1535074750;asciilifeform;black squares correspond, therefore, to values of qa and qb for which no solutions are possible
1844123;1535074756;mircea_popescu;Mocky check it up, in the end possibru LOOKUP TABLE!
1844124;1535074757;asciilifeform;nao somebody turn this into proof !
1844125;1535074762;asciilifeform;cuz i certainly havent
1844126;1535074773;asciilifeform;gentlemen, start yer engines..
1844127;1535074817;mod6;oh shit, it's a gif.  i bet if i stare long enough a dragon pops out at me.
1844128;1535074824;asciilifeform;if anybody needs a bigger ( or smaller ) ver of this lolcat, plox to write in.
1844129;1535074868;mircea_popescu;alfart.
1844130;1535074938;asciilifeform;i made it 2048x2048 pixels, ought to print well on just about any printer , for wall lolcat hanging.
1844131;1535074977;asciilifeform;can also saw it diagonally, you dun really need both halves across diagonal
1844132;1535074987;asciilifeform;(symmetric)
1844133;1535075033;mod6;pretty cool alf
1844134;1535075154;asciilifeform;nao we haven't yet the proof, but seems like we can conjecture that if |qa - qb| = 1, then piles with qa and qb are immiscible in any ratio; elsewise, yes mixable, in a ratio that can be found, i suspect, in O(1) .
1844135;1535075219;mircea_popescu;the thing is : if you mix portions of both stacks you gain ~nothing.
1844136;1535075224;mircea_popescu;you want to always use up a whole stack
1844137;1535075235;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: do you ? seems like Mocky's proggy doesn't
1844138;1535075248;mircea_popescu;does, does.
1844139;1535075255;mircea_popescu;mixes a whole stack with a portion of another
1844140;1535075263;mircea_popescu;see, you want to fewerize the stacks.
1844141;1535075279;asciilifeform;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/bvsMD/?raw=true << does not.
1844142;1535075287;mod6;paging apeloyee
1844143;1535075289;asciilifeform;( from http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-22#1843560 )
1844144;1535075289;a111;Logged on 2018-08-22 05:48 Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-20#1525884 ftr my algo does it in 40 steps preserving full value of 1,639,142: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/bvsMD/?raw=true
1844145;1535075312;mircea_popescu;where ?
1844146;1535075333;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if it did, it would shed a whole pile for each line of move output
1844147;1535075339;mircea_popescu;nah.
1844148;1535075358;mircea_popescu;put x% of stack a in stack b === mix stack b with portion of a and place the result where stack b stood before.
1844149;1535075373;asciilifeform;move 1 : 503x222q 1466x3q 973x207q 983x252q 1651x258q 2963x189q 563x22q 336x225q -> 503x222q 1466x3q 973x207q 983x252q 1088x258q 2963x189q 1126x140q 336x225q
1844150;1535075379;asciilifeform;same # of piles as in init state
1844151;1535075414;asciilifeform;ditto all the way until move 31
1844152;1535075421;asciilifeform;when the 1st pile disappearance
1844153;1535075426;mircea_popescu;...
1844154;1535075438;mircea_popescu;what you say doesn't contradict what i say.
1844155;1535075468;asciilifeform;aah i see it
1844156;1535075489;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1844157;1535075490;asciilifeform;yea he adds portion of pile a to whole of pile b
1844158;1535075494;mircea_popescu;right.
1844159;1535075550;mircea_popescu;now mind you, we have no proof that this is correct approach. maybe by strewning out piles you get better results in the end.
1844160;1535075568;mircea_popescu;one obvious strategy : make q1 piles of everything, then min-max them, sorta like bubble sort.
1844161;1535075639;asciilifeform;as i see it, this makes for new algo : 1) make list of immiscible piles, henceforth do not iterate with these 2) iterate through possible mixes, solving eqn for Na (for known Nb, entirety of pile B) and k exists . until you end with solely immiscible Q pairs. then stop.
1844162;1535075663;asciilifeform;if can prove the |qa - qb| != 1 thing, can then use this algo.
1844163;1535075665;mircea_popescu;there can't be inmiscible more-than-two-not-same-q piles.
1844164;1535075680;mircea_popescu;3 or more piles of diff q are always miscible further.
1844165;1535075772;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if my conjecture is troo, then you're right
1844166;1535075795;asciilifeform;( and as i understand it, if yer right, then my conjecture must be true )
1844167;1535075814;mircea_popescu;im right, im right. there's a reason we're using "two stacks of diff parities" as stop condition.
1844168;1535075834;asciilifeform;then mircea_popescu's proof for this is proof also for $conjecture, lol
1844169;1535075841;asciilifeform;and can use this method.
1844170;1535075882;BingoBoingo;Piles >> https://imgoat.com/uploads/00da03b685/138807.png
1844171;1535075899;asciilifeform;ugh was this necessary BingoBoingo !111
1844172;1535075952;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i love the pretense that dumb whale has "a life".
1844173;1535075955;mod6;my eyes
1844174;1535075955;BingoBoingo;No, but it has been a while
1844175;1535075984;asciilifeform;now my next conjecture, is that shortest full reduction never will require more than 2*P steps, P is number of q-miscible piles.
1844176;1535076027;mircea_popescu;this is false, trivial example http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-23#1843918
1844177;1535076027;a111;Logged on 2018-08-23 21:29 Mocky: for example this pile of 4 requires 2 moves: 1x1q 100x1000q 100x1001q 1x2001q, while if you do it without the last pile: the remaining 3 require 20 steps
1844178;1535076037;asciilifeform;Mocky's algo aint optimal !
1844179;1535076046;mircea_popescu;so you've got a 6 steps solution ?
1844180;1535076050;asciilifeform;it rejects ~3/4 of legal moves
1844181;1535076075;asciilifeform;i dun have one in my head, lol. but loox on the surface that there is one.
1844182;1535076077;Mocky;for sake of argument, possible it rejects 3/4 of worst moves
1844183;1535076082;asciilifeform;also possible
1844184;1535076091;mircea_popescu;seems decent ossasepia.
1844185;1535076097;mircea_popescu;that particular example i mean.
1844186;1535076126;*;mircea_popescu wipes tear from eye, brought forth by how eulora will entertain even the blackhearted heretics who won't "play" it. it is a tear of joyous schadenfreunde.
1844187;1535076127;Mocky;but looky, maybe not 20 steps exactly, but more than 2, *no question*
1844188;1535076143;asciilifeform;hey i'm playing it!111 rigthere!
1844189;1535076207;asciilifeform;imho this is perfectly legit play!11
1844190;1535076213;mircea_popescu;i agree.
1844191;1535076227;asciilifeform;tabletop-eulora.
1844192;1535076241;mircea_popescu;you'll never make the tops, but then again not everyone does.
1844193;1535076335;*;asciilifeform didn't make tops in arkanoid as a kid, either, can live with this
1844194;1535076361;mircea_popescu;man rthose lasers...
1844195;1535076389;*;asciilifeform sings... tidididididida...
1844196;1535076400;mod6;rent rockchip, make text-only-client, setup foxybot, profit???
1844197;1535076474;mircea_popescu;go for it.
1844198;1535076488;mircea_popescu;it's mockybot these days tho. he finally released one that works, i've been mining with it all week.
1844199;1535076496;mircea_popescu;half a dozen pops or so.
1844200;1535076501;mod6;hey nice!
1844201;1535076520;mircea_popescu;very nice indeed.
1844202;1535076521;mod6;maybe i'll give that a shot this weekend.  i love mining
1844203;1535076531;mircea_popescu;me too! i used to not really be able to do so much, but nowadays...
1844204;1535076554;mod6;remember doing it all by hand?  my arm used to hurt after hours of this lol.
1844205;1535076588;mircea_popescu;o yea
1844206;1535076605;mircea_popescu;didn't thickasthieves get carpal ? or am i conflating stories ?
1844207;1535076628;asciilifeform;i think he contracted cuckal
1844208;1535076633;asciilifeform;or whatever it's called.
1844209;1535076643;mircea_popescu;i recall this being a topic at c1, and me going "oh, there'll be bots"
1844210;1535076646;mircea_popescu;FORESIGHTS!
1844211;1535076646;mod6;i dunno, maybe?  i felt like my arm was gonna fall off a few times.  but never as bad as anything perm.
1844212;1535076673;mod6;but we were all running around hording up all kinds of loot.
1844213;1535076683;mod6;ive still got STs.
1844214;1535076693;mircea_popescu;me2
1844215;1535076704;mod6;i read that they're abundant nao tho
1844216;1535076706;mircea_popescu;time for caek and cocktails, bbl!
1844217;1535076716;mod6;c-ya
1844218;1535076737;asciilifeform;i'ma leave the proof for conjecture #2 here :
1844219;1535076769;asciilifeform;the diagonal symmetry in the inner matrices. QED.
1844220;1535076820;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> didn't thickasthieves get carpal ? or am i conflating stories ? << Mats has carpal, TAT went terminally comment section butthurt
1844221;1535076834;asciilifeform;( any qa-qb miscible pair of piles, can be merged in either 1 ( corresponding to the inner matrices having white line on diagonal ) moves, or 2 ( corresponding to those which do not ) .
1844222;1535076836;asciilifeform;)
1844223;1535076863;asciilifeform;actually nm.
1844224;1535076865;asciilifeform;i'ma bbl.
1844225;1535077228;Mocky;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-24#1844113 this is very nice
1844226;1535077228;a111;Logged on 2018-08-24 01:37 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mp.gif
1844227;1535079298;Mocky;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-24#1844187 this was meant to read 2*P
1844228;1535079298;a111;Logged on 2018-08-24 02:02 Mocky: but looky, maybe not 20 steps exactly, but more than 2, *no question*
1844229;1535079366;Mocky;neither could it be done in 3*P. my given example I'd wager 50/50 if it could be done in 4*P
1844230;1535079625;mircea_popescu;ah, but... how do you reason ?
1844231;1535079847;Mocky;based on intuition, which i shall explain
1844232;1535080033;Mocky;the 1xq1 item has a tiny mass compared to the 200 ~q1000 items, and will resolve into the q1000 pile. theres no way to mix a q1 up to q1000 using only ~q1000 items in 10 or less moves. it's just got a long way to go
1844233;1535080083;mircea_popescu;Mocky : mix 1q1 with 99q 1001. new set is now 100q1k, 100q991, 1q 1001. then mix 1q1001 with 9q991. new set is 100q1k, 91q991, 10q992.
1844234;1535080088;mircea_popescu;next you split the 100 into the 991 and 992 groups and you're done.
1844235;1535080089;mircea_popescu;next you split the 100 into the 991 and 992 groups and you're done.
1844236;1535080089;mircea_popescu;4 moves.
1844237;1535080216;Mocky;i'm going to take a minute and verify that. but i expect you to be right, and then im gonna come back and say "ah, but i chose a bad example"
1844238;1535081269;Mocky;looks right, so my intuition is clearly ill informed. imma see what else I can see
1844239;1535083122;asciilifeform;Mocky: the lolcatcheatsheet suggests that any legal move is able to reduce a pile at least in half
1844240;1535083182;asciilifeform;( and really, much moar )
1844241;1535083234;Mocky;maybe i'm dense, what do you mean reduce a pile at least in half?
1844242;1535083293;mircea_popescu;so far, the correct approach seems to be : 1. select the outlier piles (highest q, lowest q). 2. mix the smaller of the two with such a fraction of the larger of the two as can be done. 3. repeat. if 2 fails, move inwardly on the pair list.
1844243;1535083310;mircea_popescu;Mocky he means the x% is never < 50% and rarelyt <80%
1844244;1535083478;mircea_popescu;the ~other~ good approach is 1. calculate average quality as a real ; 2. calculate the integer piles of consecutive qualities this reduces to (you'll never get an irrational value through 1, which in itself is a very itneresting lemma) ; 3. try all pile pairs in some (random ?) order for producing either of the two expected qualities.
1844245;1535083586;Mocky;ok, I see it
1844246;1535083591;asciilifeform;currently i suspect that any 2 miscible-q piles can be merged in either 1 or 2 steps. but too tired to attempt proof just nao
1844247;1535083603;*;asciilifeform bbl
1844248;1535091840;mircea_popescu;anyway, i expect the "hard" case would revolve around powers of two, so i'm guessing checkermark pairings probably deliver the hardest case (for current pairwise mixing). say in 8 bit : 85 items q170, 146 items q 73,  219 items q109 and so on.
1844249;1535093486;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-22#1816827 << dug up! it's http://trilema.com/2014/on-the-superiority-of-monarchy-or-adnotations-to-why-the-worst-get-on-top/#selection-153.0-153.557
1844250;1535093486;a111;Logged on 2018-05-22 21:47 mircea_popescu: so far that's even the reason empire crossed the threshold into oblivion ( i'm too lazy to dig up ye olde trilema where i say "state may exist for as long as it so closely mimmicks my will i can't discern it's there, and not one second past that" ) and now must be destroyed. had it had the sense (rather, the capacity) to maintain both forms, i'd nwever have even noticed it, and it could have continued to exist therefore.
1844251;1535119985;mod6;mornin'
1844252;1535120555;mircea_popescu;heya.
1844253;1535120949;*;mod6 tired.
1844254;1535120953;mod6;need coffee
1844255;1535128389;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i solved yer puzzler, will post sln later today
1844256;1535130721;mod6;!!invoice BingoBoingo 0.01341464 One month rental of rockchip: Through September 2018
1844257;1535130725;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/TGAsi/?raw=true
1844258;1535131228;mod6;!!v DC1B15C060167472D1E14D037637116C56F6EC6D92BD265DD8C64281D7F45030
1844259;1535131233;deedbot;Invoiced BingoBoingo 0.01341464 << One month rental of rockchip: Through September 2018
1844260;1535131846;mircea_popescu;"Solution (.Sln) File - msdn.microsoft.com The new home for Visual Studio documentation is Visual Studio 2017 Documentation on docs.microsoft.com. The latest version of this topic can be found at Solution (.Sln) File. A solution is a structure for organizing projects in Visual Studio. The solution maintains the state information for projects ..."
1844261;1535131855;mircea_popescu;way to go alf !!1 >D
1844262;1535131886;mircea_popescu;(holy shit think about it, state information ~for projects~)
1844263;1535132116;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's standard microshit turd, 'what files luser has open and to what pos' etc
1844264;1535132123;asciilifeform;massive binarygarbagepile
1844265;1535132163;mircea_popescu;anyway. what did you mean, special linear group ?
1844266;1535132268;*;mircea_popescu never met a lie-ician before!
1844267;1535132282;asciilifeform;wait an' see, i suspect mircea_popescu will like the answ
1844268;1535132290;mircea_popescu;alrighty!
1844269;1535132622;asciilifeform;know what, i can post the answer, and somebody else can turn into proggy if he feels like
1844270;1535132631;asciilifeform;cuz it is not complicated
1844271;1535132709;asciilifeform;observe that the final 2 piles always satisfy the form n1*q1 + n2*q2 = S , where S is the sum of the masses (n_x * q_x for all x)
1844272;1535132834;asciilifeform;in turn both of the piles that went into n1 (and likewise n2) satisfy same recurrence, n1_a * q1_a + n1_b + q1_b = n1*q1 ;   n2_a * q2_a + n2_b + q2_b = n2*q2 .
1844273;1535132873;asciilifeform;err, n2_a * q2_a + n2_b * q2_b = n2*q2
1844274;1535132890;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu : do i need to go on, or has it clicked ?
1844275;1535132991;asciilifeform;all you gotta do is to take { floor(sum(mass) / sum(qty)) - 1 , floor(sum(mass) / sum(qty)) } as the initial guess for the split of qualities of the final 2 piles
1844276;1535133004;asciilifeform;in the case of Mocky's example, this will be initially 172,173
1844277;1535133074;asciilifeform;then attempt to permute the list into two sublists which satisfy the recurrence. if the recursion comes up empty, you slide the guess tuple forward by 1. (there is no need to do this more than once, avg of the final 2 piles cannot exceed that of the entire thing)
1844278;1535133091;asciilifeform;one of the two attempts will turn up a valid decomposition.
1844279;1535133105;asciilifeform;if you want optimal decomposition, you keep all valid ones and pick the shortest.
1844280;1535133108;asciilifeform;bang.
1844281;1535133224;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/08/usg-lich-mccain-surrenders-in-war-on-cancer-will-spend-rest-of-days-as-cancer-pow/ << Qntra - USG Lich McCain Surrenders In War On Cancer Will Spend Rest of Days As Cancer POW
1844282;1535133228;BingoBoingo;^ Phylactry has been found!
1844283;1535133306;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is what http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-24#1844244 proposes. but no, not "random", recursive instead.
1844284;1535133306;a111;Logged on 2018-08-24 04:04 mircea_popescu: the ~other~ good approach is 1. calculate average quality as a real ; 2. calculate the integer piles of consecutive qualities this reduces to (you'll never get an irrational value through 1, which in itself is a very itneresting lemma) ; 3. try all pile pairs in some (random ?) order for producing either of the two expected qualities.
1844285;1535133338;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha , no randomness in my pill, it converges deterministically
1844286;1535133346;asciilifeform;and never goes in circles
1844287;1535133362;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo good god, are they now gonna do a bunchga herp derp about how important the moron is and how irreplaceable the scrapping ?
1844288;1535133383;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: The latest round appears to already have started
1844289;1535133395;mircea_popescu;spurious fucktards.
1844290;1535133433;BingoBoingo;But all comments are being attributed to "the family" suggesting he is already very close to Potato if not already there
1844291;1535133453;asciilifeform;evaluating proposed split of set is very easy, you check that the sum(n_...) and weighed avg of the component Qs are in spec.
1844292;1535133462;mircea_popescu;collective personage best personage, nobody has authority top say "this wasn't said".
1844293;1535133490;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform let's put this in proper algo form.
1844294;1535133527;asciilifeform;i'ma write it up in cl if nobody else wants to.
1844295;1535133530;mircea_popescu;so 1. calculate q so that n q + m (q+1) = S (the sum of the count-quality products for the entire starting set)
1844296;1535133591;mircea_popescu;2. you split the starting set into two sub sets by the criteria ? and without splitting stacks ?
1844297;1535133810;asciilifeform;stacks get split via the recurrence given in the start
1844298;1535133831;asciilifeform;it describes all valid could-have-merged's
1844299;1535133906;mircea_popescu;mmm
1844300;1535134111;mircea_popescu;how do you choose between 7+5 and 6+6 ?
1844301;1535134320;asciilifeform;you recurse
1844302;1535134725;mircea_popescu;suppose i have stacks of 10k each with qualities from 50 to 150. average q is 100. now, how do i split these 100 stacks into two subsets ?
1844303;1535134779;mircea_popescu;specifically, how do i pick among alternatives 1. "all stacks with odd index, left, all stacks with even index, right" and 2. "all stacks under 75 or over 125 left, all stacks within 75 to 125, right" ?
1844304;1535135312;asciilifeform;1s
1844305;1535135365;*;mircea_popescu shall proceed to coffee with diana_coman in a few, but thereafter will be back, so no worries.
1844306;1535135570;asciilifeform;there's a strong chance this won't make sense until shown as lisp proggy.
1844307;1535135629;mircea_popescu;considering how much lisp i read... possibly not even then!
1844308;1535135635;mod6;:D
1844309;1535135635;asciilifeform;but the way it goes, is to recurse along all valid paths, and mark the traversals that result in initial-state piles being successfully 'eaten'
1844310;1535135640;mod6;same
1844311;1535135702;mircea_popescu;seems to me the complexity of this will be massive.
1844312;1535135712;asciilifeform;nah
1844313;1535135737;asciilifeform;O(bitness of finalmass)
1844314;1535135800;mircea_popescu;no fucking wai.
1844315;1535135870;mod6;asciilifeform: Good to go for us to buy another round of SSDs?  (apparently this time we can only get 3 at a time)
1844316;1535135870;asciilifeform;the 'cheat' is that for ~any~ pile in the tree, you know that it had to result from one of 2 possible merges.
1844317;1535135876;asciilifeform;mod6: why only 3 ?!
1844318;1535135886;mod6;shitazon limits, i've seen it before myself.
1844319;1535135900;asciilifeform;bah
1844320;1535135904;asciilifeform;3 then
1844321;1535135928;mod6;we do what we can.  i was pretty impressed with the speed at which they arrived.
1844322;1535135929;mircea_popescu;mod6 conceivably (besides ip registration thing, which how's it going ?) might also get vendor status ? open a little shop of actual stuff in uruguay ?
1844323;1535135941;mircea_popescu;a shop of used computer parts is a great complement for a dc op.
1844324;1535135958;asciilifeform;that would rock
1844325;1535135962;mod6;Was kinda thinking that myself mircea_popescu... at least, in concept.
1844326;1535135989;mod6;I haven't even considered IP registration.. was there a inititive to get a block of our own from ICANN?
1844327;1535135992;mircea_popescu;yeah. you can sell all your shit that's out of amortization at half price, become huge. well, "huge", south america huge.
1844328;1535136000;mircea_popescu;mod6 yeah, back in like... february ?
1844329;1535136018;mod6;oh, I'll have to talk to ben_vulpes and read the logs on that.  thanks for the nudge.
1844330;1535136019;mircea_popescu;anyhways bbl
1844331;1535136021;mod6;c-ya
1844332;1535136093;mod6;!Qcalc 900/6200
1844333;1535136093;lobbesbot;mod6: 0.145161290323
1844334;1535136130;mod6;!!pay BingoBoingo 0.14516129
1844335;1535136134;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/rXCF2/?raw=true
1844336;1535136494;mod6;!!v 945B7F7A6D4F4AEC6760362343EAB65C65D3A49F973D59E066287DEF2841727E
1844337;1535136497;deedbot;mod6 paid BingoBoingo 0.14516129
1844338;1535136617;mod6;BingoBoingo: whatever you don't spend, just hang on to it, and we'll tally it up at EOM for the books.
1844339;1535143232;ben_vulpes;iirc lacnic wants to see the existing block more heavily used than it is right now before allocating more, BingoBoingo was there something else incorporation that LACNIC wanted to see?
1844340;1535143253;ben_vulpes;incorporation-related*
1844341;1535143287;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: if it's just a matter of having all the ips answer when pinged -- we can have that cured without much sweat
1844342;1535143323;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: feel free to route all unrouted ips to dulap
1844343;1535143356;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Aite
1844344;1535143518;ben_vulpes;if it's that simple, that'd be spiffy indeed
1844345;1535144058;mod6;It sounds like, "Be legally established within the region and use the resources in LACNIC's coverage area."
1844346;1535144079;mod6;So we might need to incorporate first.  *might*
1844347;1535144080;trinque;"hurr they are for xen tenements"
1844348;1535144105;trinque;mod6: seems like a valuable thing to have, local corp
1844349;1535144122;trinque;I dunno the tax laws down there, but might be beneficial in regards to deducting expenses?
1844350;1535144151;trinque;I hear only the states audit people too, so all the more reason :P
1844351;1535144231;mod6;Well, it's ~$4500 to buy a pre-built corp.  Then alf & myself would have to fly down and sign the articles of organization.
1844352;1535144250;mod6;We think that we would probably have a higher base tax liability -- right BingoBoingo ?
1844353;1535144271;mod6;$4500 is quite a bit for where we currently stand financially.
1844354;1535144289;trinque;doesn't fit with my experience of running businesses, typically the thing doesn't post any substantial income in the startup phase
1844355;1535144306;mod6;*shrug*
1844356;1535144317;trinque;(it could be that already tax is not a significant slice of your costs, dunno how it works, but would read)
1844357;1535144795;BingoBoingo;<mod6> So we might need to incorporate first.  *might* << Or I can apply as a unipersonal
1844358;1535144797;BingoBoingo;Or try
1844359;1535144846;BingoBoingo;<trinque> doesn't fit with my experience of running businesses, typically the thing doesn't post any substantial income in the startup phase << THe big tax incurred would be VAT
1844360;1535144974;mod6;Is the 'unipersonal' like a sole-propritorship ?
1844361;1535145015;mod6;*proprietorship
1844362;1535145255;trinque;a quick google suggests the rate for distribution of profit is lower than the rate for regular income, which is what I'd have expected, so conceivably BingoBoingo could be compensated in part through his stake in the local corp as profit
1844363;1535145287;trinque;dunno what the "home office" rules are there either, but maybe some rent gets thrown in too
1844364;1535145997;BingoBoingo;mod6: It is
1844365;1535146013;BingoBoingo;trinque: THe substantial VAT here makes things complicated
1844366;1535146054;trinque;yeah, seems like they're income-tax light and sales-tax heavy, eh?
1844367;1535146065;trinque;(which seems pretty damned sane to me, actually)
1844368;1535146083;trinque;er VAT, sales-tax wouldn't be properly descriptive
1844369;1535146167;BingoBoingo;Right. For a comsumer VAT and sales tax look the same, but... ther is a substantial difference
1844370;1535147421;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: exactly how many vacant ip do we have ?
1844371;1535148042;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I'll do a count
1844372;1535148560;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I don't have the complete list of assigned ip's, but from .204 through .246 should be unallocated
1844373;1535153458;mircea_popescu;trinque> mod6: seems like a valuable thing to have, local corp << a recurrent observation.
1844374;1535157239;mod6;!!sent-invoices
1844375;1535157243;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/flJlD/?raw=true
1844376;1535157245;mod6;!!ledger
1844377;1535157249;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/izkmH/?raw=true
1844378;1535159604;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in honeymooning, https://78.media.tumblr.com/3a7d616eb368b098d7ba9aaeeb2e1138/tumblr_n2pvju7kYb1troezeo1_400.gif
1844379;1535160961;mod6;nice
1844380;1535164858;mod6;anyone else having trouble getting to : http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev  ?
1844381;1535164863;*;mod6 is getting 504
1844382;1535165209;asciilifeform;aha times out
1844383;1535165243;mod6;jurov: halp ^
1844384;1535165316;mod6;!~later tell jurov We're getting 504 & timeouts from the ML
1844385;1535165584;mod6;!Q later tell jurov We're getting 504 & timeouts from the ML
1844386;1535165584;lobbesbot;mod6: The operation succeeded.
1844387;1535166133;lobbes;times out here as well
1844388;1535166144;mircea_popescu;o hey lobbes ; how's life been treatin ya ?
1844389;1535166234;mod6;thx lobbes seems something with amazon perhaps
1844390;1535166568;lobbes;mircea_popescu: ohey. good!
1844391;1535166570;lobbes;in fact, was going to announce: I'm getting closer to finishing what will be a genesis for a 'logbot-command-router' in python that does the talking and listening with postgres (an older but relevant thread for context: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-29#1531123)
1844392;1535166570;a111;Logged on 2016-08-29 13:54 trinque: right. in this case I challenge anyone to find a need for a second patch on those modules themselves, rather than creating a genesis vpatch for their own module which talks to the db in postgres.
1844393;1535166579;mircea_popescu;neat.
1844394;1535166582;lobbes;I've tried to design it to be 'modular' so that the operator can easily add their own custom commands, and to be 'vpatch friendly' in that folx can release 'whateverbot' as a vpatch that just extends it (in fact, this is my plan for the auctionbot)
1844395;1535166597;lobbes;still need to test the hell out of it, so I'm aiming for maybe a week (which, still gives me 2 months for auctionbot ETL. eh. will see)
1844396;1535166759;mircea_popescu;so it relies on logbot and interfaces with it via postgres db ?
1844397;1535166766;lobbes;exactly
1844398;1535166787;lobbes;just listens to the notification channel in postgres
1844399;1535166803;lobbes;and then does the command handling
1844400;1535166824;*;lobbes will bake blawg post once complete
1844401;1535166850;mircea_popescu;aite.
1844402;1535171859;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in middle earth drilling, https://78.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9op2npnrc1qcil1ko1_1280.jpg
1844403;1535207027;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/and-today-in-fetlife-updates-sad-news/ << Trilema - And today in Fetlife updates, sad news.
1844404;1535217280;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/08/san-francisco-to-pay-six-figure-usd-compensation-to-members-of-seperate-feces-and-needle-clean-up-teams/ << Qntra - San Francisco To Pay Six Figure USD Compensation To Members Of Seperate Feces And Needle Clean Up Teams
1844405;1535217986;Mocky;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-24#1844275 >> why would you need initial guess for final 2 piles when you can compute them directly from given input?
1844406;1535217986;a111;Logged on 2018-08-24 17:49 asciilifeform: all you gotta do is to take { floor(sum(mass) / sum(qty)) - 1 , floor(sum(mass) / sum(qty)) } as the initial guess for the split of qualities of the final 2 piles
1844407;1535218270;Mocky;well, maybe my maffs is wrong and someone can correct my work
1844408;1535218597;Mocky;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-24#1844275 >> let A = sum(mass) / sum(qty), final pile qualities will floor(A) and ceil(A)
1844409;1535218597;a111;Logged on 2018-08-24 17:49 asciilifeform: all you gotta do is to take { floor(sum(mass) / sum(qty)) - 1 , floor(sum(mass) / sum(qty)) } as the initial guess for the split of qualities of the final 2 piles
1844410;1535218640;trinque;BingoBoingo: *separate
1844411;1535218751;BingoBoingo;trinque: ty fxd
1844412;1535218816;Mocky;size of piles are computed by solving the two equations for x and y 1) floor(A)*x + ceil(A)*y = sum(mass) 2) x + y = sum(qty)
1844413;1535218864;mircea_popescu;Mocky alf's mysterious disappearance promises he saw the problem with his idea :p
1844414;1535218904;Mocky;other than not needing the guess the final state, I'm still trying to find a problem with it
1844415;1535218989;Mocky;i think that it can work, i don't see how it would work better than A* if heuristic was found, but I don't see how worse either
1844416;1535219135;mircea_popescu;not deterministic as claimed, the ~only problem.
1844417;1535219138;mircea_popescu;otherwise sure works.
1844418;1535219140;Mocky;I'm not clear on how you can backtrack piles directly though, as if they were from isolated branches, when possibly final 2 piles from mixed descent and not from isolated mixing
1844419;1535219186;mircea_popescu;that's the problem!
1844420;1535219201;Mocky;ok, lol
1844421;1535219266;mircea_popescu;the addressable quanta here is the single unit, of a specified quality. these are presented in groups (of the same q), and you're asked to reform the "minimal groups", ie, 2 qualities. whether any individual strand belongs in final-group-A or final-groub-B is however ambiguous until you've made the last move (recursive pov, the last move is tha first move, recursion flows backwardsd, like dream states).
1844422;1535219293;mircea_popescu;hence my http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-24#1844303 question, it quashes the "deterministic" notion.
1844423;1535219293;a111;Logged on 2018-08-24 18:19 mircea_popescu: specifically, how do i pick among alternatives 1. "all stacks with odd index, left, all stacks with even index, right" and 2. "all stacks under 75 or over 125 left, all stacks within 75 to 125, right" ?
1844424;1535220104;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-25#1844413 << ha yea i sat down to write the proggy and realized
1844425;1535220104;a111;Logged on 2018-08-25 17:41 mircea_popescu: Mocky alf's mysterious disappearance promises he saw the problem with his idea :p
1844426;1535220179;asciilifeform;it can be made to work ( stuff all the whole piles possib into the two lumps , then solve for linear combinations of the excluded q's) but dun win anyffing
1844427;1535220234;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-25#1844412 << canhaz proof ? ( i can buy it, but suspect that can construct counter ex )
1844428;1535220234;a111;Logged on 2018-08-25 17:40 Mocky: size of piles are computed by solving the two equations for x and y 1) floor(A)*x + ceil(A)*y = sum(mass) 2) x + y = sum(qty)
1844429;1535220305;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-25#1844421 << i had it pictured in exactly these terms, looked for some cheat, but yet found none
1844430;1535220305;a111;Logged on 2018-08-25 17:47 mircea_popescu: the addressable quanta here is the single unit, of a specified quality. these are presented in groups (of the same q), and you're asked to reform the "minimal groups", ie, 2 qualities. whether any individual strand belongs in final-group-A or final-groub-B is however ambiguous until you've made the last move (recursive pov, the last move is tha first move, recursion flows backwardsd, like dream states).
1844431;1535220305;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what do you mean ? that's exactly how it goes, atomically. all mixed piles will be of size sum sizes and quality w-a qualities.
1844432;1535220352;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: q-1 and q are not the only possible immiscible piles
1844433;1535220400;mircea_popescu;q of diff parities are ; but in ~practice~ it is ~almost always~ the case that a "large enough" starter set is presented to that q, q-1 occur.
1844434;1535220417;asciilifeform;there exist qa,qb that are only miscible in quantities that are not available on a given game board
1844435;1535220426;mircea_popescu;but you have a point, in that investigating the "large enough" condition might shed some lights.
1844436;1535220447;asciilifeform;i'ma post a proggy when i get home, currently in town
1844437;1535220506;mircea_popescu;they have a town where you live ?!
1844438;1535220513;Mocky;lolcat suggest some 'large enough' conditions, no?
1844439;1535220514;asciilifeform;lol sorta
1844440;1535220546;mircea_popescu;Mocky yes, kinda.
1844441;1535220709;mircea_popescu;also, it is imo a great mistake to limit the modelling in terms of 2 pile starter conditions. this is very rarely the case.
1844442;1535220752;mircea_popescu;anyway, let it be pointed out how lulzy and innerving the recurse-dream relation is. "can't make the first move till you made the last move" etc.
1844443;1535220982;mircea_popescu;(and, for the esthlos of the present and they of the future, the "lie-tician" was a reference to lie groups, which is a sort of we-wanna-galois-too but with more symmetry, less comprehensibility and possibly much powerful-er overall. i half-expected he's going to start throwing manifolds at me or who knows what nonsense, take me out of commission for the remainder of the season.)
1844444;1535222422;ave1;And to continue, It's possible to do this one in 20 steps: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-22#1843598, see http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/o2Gzz/?raw=true
1844445;1535222422;a111;Logged on 2018-08-22 16:49 a111: Logged on 2018-08-22 05:48 Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-20#1525884 ftr my algo does it in 40 steps preserving full value of 1,639,142: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/bvsMD/?raw=true
1844446;1535222649;asciilifeform;ave1: observe also that your final state is exactly example of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-25#1844434 ! and counter-ex to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-25#1844412
1844447;1535222649;a111;Logged on 2018-08-25 18:06 asciilifeform: there exist qa,qb that are only miscible in quantities that are not available on a given game board
1844448;1535222649;a111;Logged on 2018-08-25 17:40 Mocky: size of piles are computed by solving the two equations for x and y 1) floor(A)*x + ceil(A)*y = sum(mass) 2) x + y = sum(qty)
1844449;1535222957;ave1;Yes, the whole thing is not guaranteed to finish (I used different sorting algorithms and even got cycles)
1844450;1535223011;mircea_popescu;lol!
1844451;1535223032;mircea_popescu;how the heck can you get a cycle ? "quality" here approximates enthalpy, it only moves one way
1844452;1535223045;mircea_popescu;(or rather : for something to be a move, quality-diversity in the universe decreases)
1844453;1535223078;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you move into an immiscibility zungzwang, that's how
1844454;1535223090;mircea_popescu;zungzwang, eh ?
1844455;1535223121;mircea_popescu;(it's zug-zwang, but honestly the onomatopoetic value justifies the grammar breach)
1844456;1535223141;asciilifeform;i prefer my grandfather's corrupted ver lol
1844457;1535223320;mircea_popescu;"oh, it's so difficult to make computer games -- you spend millions and months to generate content, and then the players consume it in minutes"
1844458;1535223336;mircea_popescu;fucktards. NOT ONLY do they do it wrong, but they ACTUALLY attempt to pass their failure for "how it is" and "move on".
1844459;1535223442;ave1;lol
1844460;1535223501;ave1;btw, retrying what I did and so far could not regenerate cycle, so for all could have been a bug
1844461;1535223595;mircea_popescu;i expect.
1844462;1535223809;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, ave1 , Mocky , et al : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/JJtFX/?raw=true
1844463;1535223820;asciilifeform;^ simple plaything for evaluating moves
1844464;1535223926;asciilifeform;( does not solve the game, only displays possible next move from given state )
1844465;1535224343;ave1;for the record, mine: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/5FTlj/?raw=true
1844466;1535224611;Mocky;asciilifeform, ave1's above is not in fact example of immiscible quantities: ave1's final state can be stacked down to q, q-1 by my algo in 2 moves
1844467;1535224627;asciilifeform;Mocky: plz post the moves ?
1844468;1535224655;asciilifeform;cuz my proggy dun see any moves from his final state
1844469;1535224807;asciilifeform;oh hm nm
1844470;1535224808;Mocky;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/0JK0r/?raw=true , elementarily, they are both odd qual...
1844471;1535224811;asciilifeform;i was working from old coad
1844472;1535224844;asciilifeform;(find-variants '((7846 . 173) (1592 . 177))) gets me (((0 . 1) ((1592 . 175) (4776 . 174)))) .
1844473;1535224854;mircea_popescu;!!key ave1
1844474;1535224856;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/57EE94EA6F2049A47DAFA8568F4CE8F777BC59F9.asc
1844475;1535224888;asciilifeform;would still like a proof that 'in the end always 1 or 2 piles'
1844476;1535224929;ave1;Aha, I refactored the code to end as soon as possible, turning that back I get the same answer too.
1844477;1535224951;asciilifeform;ave1: oughta end only when 0 valid moves remain
1844478;1535224952;Mocky;3 piles must contain odd,odd or even, even pair therefore stackable
1844479;1535225003;asciilifeform;ok sold
1844480;1535225049;ave1;It does not matter if the two piles are mixed in the end (the loss will always be the same). But I'll have to start playing to get to why you'll want to this specific end state.
1844481;1535225090;ave1;btw, unrefactored version: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/K3iuw/?raw=true
1844482;1535225098;asciilifeform;ave1: contemplated puzzle asks for 0 loss
1844483;1535225240;mircea_popescu;ave1 eulora is very slim margin, losing as much as 1% could take you out entirely. think in terms of closed systems, such as "what is acceptable oxygen loss in space station" or i guess http://trilema.com/2016/what-lasts-forever/ etc discussions of prices and value
1844484;1535225492;Mocky;mircea_popescu, does ave1's example of stacking down to 7846x173q 1592x177q, actually violate any criteria, despite that it 'could' be stacked further, it could not be stacked down into fewer slots
1844485;1535225537;mircea_popescu;i don't see a problem with it, from a gameplay perspective.
1844486;1535225563;mircea_popescu;but it also is at variance with what was de-facto specified, though not seriously ever reviewed.
1844487;1535225571;asciilifeform;i dun know enuff about the game, but is it possible that player might prefer e.g. 173/177 to 174/175 etc
1844488;1535225595;mircea_popescu;i can't right off conjure a reason why he'd care.
1844489;1535225632;Mocky;the fewer server roundtrips would be preferable, assuming they can be had
1844490;1535225698;mircea_popescu;i mean, from the trader pov, debalanced count pairs are arguably slightly better (so 1 - 9999 perhaps better split than 5000-5000), as mocky points out ( http://trilema.com/2018/algorithmics-problem-seeking-experts/#comment-126524 , and as i say, this advantage is indeed very slught)
1844491;1535225736;mircea_popescu;then again, from the crafter pov, debalanced stacks not preferable, because of considerations of interplay between item q and bp q in the final product, it'll be more work to calc proper bp q for two stacks apart than for two stacks consecutive
1844492;1535225743;mircea_popescu;but this is also very slight indeed.
1844493;1535225814;mircea_popescu;so in short, i don't see a practical reason to say ave1 's 7846x173q 1592x177q is not a legitimate final state, even if it doesn't match what we've been saying final state should be.
1844494;1535226059;Mocky;from my pov, stacking down to *any* 2 stacks is the bulk of the value. but in my mining the stacks are going to converge to q q-1 eventually. and in fact large piles of q q-1 are sitting around waiting to eat incoming small stacks
1844495;1535226128;mircea_popescu;Mocky right, this is a recurrent problem with extremely meta-stable attractors, i don't expect in the end it makes ANY difference that in an isolated state it produced weird double-evens.
1844496;1535226152;mircea_popescu;or w/e, double-odds.
1844497;1535226900;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: puzzler might have all sortsa interesting applications, possibly all the way to e.g. defraggings in a hypothetical trbi
1844498;1535226918;mircea_popescu;ikr
1844499;1535226935;mircea_popescu;ask honest questions, and the value of the answers will never cease to amaze.
1844500;1535227277;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in unremarkable pornography, https://78.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma73ph9IUo1qkbo3do4_1280.jpg
1844501;1535228264;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, Mocky , et al : can it be shown that in e.g. 173x+174y=S , x and y are unique ?
1844502;1535228280;mircea_popescu;yes.
1844503;1535228337;mircea_popescu;two consecutive numbers are always coprime!!1
1844504;1535228339;asciilifeform;( observe that elementarily if gcd(a, b) != 1 and | S , they aint )
1844505;1535228342;asciilifeform;lol
1844506;1535228408;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's the criteria, that 173 and 174 share no factors. if they do -- then x * factor +y and x +y * factor both work.
1844507;1535228433;mircea_popescu;but the smallest possible factor being 2, two consecutive numbers are always coprime.
1844508;1535228457;jurov;should be fixed
1844509;1535228457;lobbesbot;jurov: Sent 17 hours and 27 minutes ago: <mod6> We're getting 504 & timeouts from the ML
1844510;1535228549;asciilifeform;jurov: still seems to hang
1844511;1535228584;asciilifeform;is the box under ddos or wat
1844512;1535228719;jurov;no
1844513;1535228741;asciilifeform;then odd, why would it hang
1844514;1535228862;jurov;mailman was stuck, after restart it went fine from here
1844515;1535228875;asciilifeform;it still dun load from my end
1844516;1535228885;asciilifeform;anybody able to load http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev ?
1844517;1535228945;trinque;negative
1844518;1535229219;mod6;just tried it 2x, each from a different spot. worked good for me.
1844519;1535229226;mod6;lemme try a 3rd & forth
1844520;1535229230;mod6;*fourth
1844521;1535229257;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, Mocky , et al : here's a lol : given as there is finite range of Q (minq .. maxq from initial board) and finite range of quantities (1 .. totalcount) , it is possible to enumerate all possible mixes, in a space-for-time trade, to speed up exhaustive search
1844522;1535229304;mod6;yeah, seems to be ok.  let's keep an eye on it.
1844523;1535229323;asciilifeform;still dead from here.
1844524;1535229555;mod6;ok weird.
1844525;1535229623;mod6;now i've got one location where it's responding fine, and another that i'm getting 504.
1844526;1535229729;jurov;no idea, will wait and see. ml should be eventually moved to the foundation box
1844527;1535229768;mod6;yeah, i want to move the website to one of the foundation boxes as well.
1844528;1535229800;mod6;i just gotta get the time available to do it.  with any luck the current configuration will hold up for another month or so to allow me to get freed up a bit.
1844529;1535229845;jurov;mod6 let me know when it's set up to serve static files, i'll at least copy the archive there
1844530;1535229868;mod6;the website?
1844531;1535229881;jurov;the /ml/ archive
1844532;1535229881;mod6;it can serve static files
1844533;1535229909;mod6;i have bunch of tarballs and things on there now that one can just easily download or whatnot.
1844534;1535230291;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that is true ; meet my friend mr ! and also http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-22#1837153
1844535;1535230291;a111;Logged on 2018-07-22 16:55 mircea_popescu: (something very similar was the original impetuus for mp asking ben_vulpes for candi [where is she btw ?] only to then discover after a whole day of basic-training-with-admirals that in fact the memory footprint for what i had in mind was ~infinite)
1844536;1535230581;jurov;I'll install/configure apache on the pizarro-colocated foundation box. Want to prepare for mp-wp, anyone has handy their notes pls?
1844537;1535230702;mod6;Ah, thanks jurov!
1844538;1535230711;mod6;Oh you're gonna do wp-mp on there too?
1844539;1535230734;mod6;Lemme dig up the one script that I have from ben_vulpes, the rest of the notes I think BingoBoingo has.
1844540;1535230938;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: store as '3d cube' of 1bit 'mix? yes/no'
1844541;1535230953;asciilifeform;well, 4d.
1844542;1535230956;mod6;jurov: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/F6VYL/?raw=true
1844543;1535230967;mod6;script ^
1844544;1535230975;mircea_popescu;4d. think, just looking through my storage right now, i have a dozen or so SIX FIGURE stacks.
1844545;1535230977;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: will be also interesting to represent problem geometrically, as paths in this space.
1844546;1535230986;mircea_popescu;and i have items with six figure qualities right now in my inventory.
1844547;1535230988;mircea_popescu;wut do.
1844548;1535231022;asciilifeform;store sparsely ( the mixability is periodic across qty axis )
1844549;1535231023;mircea_popescu;im not even the biggest, iirc danielpbarron got 100s of millions of whatever from his remarkable claim
1844550;1535231036;*;asciilifeform bbl,meat
1844551;1535231044;mircea_popescu;the question of HOW to store sparsely is a re-implementation of the original question asked, in haskell.
1844552;1535231092;jurov;mod6: thanks, and what apache/mysql versions are used?
1844553;1535231377;mod6;on there? I don't even think he has either setup on there.
1844554;1535231384;mod6;afaik it's just running trb
1844555;1535231386;mod6;lemme see
1844556;1535231438;mod6;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Zk0dA/?raw=true
1844557;1535231467;jurov;i know, but which ones should I emerge.
1844558;1535231479;mod6;oh, you don't mean which are on stormy, but which to use for wp-mp
1844559;1535231483;mod6;i have no idea.
1844560;1535231486;mod6;why do we need that anyway?
1844561;1535231505;mod6;or is that what is needed for mailman stuff etc?
1844562;1535231513;jurov;We need at least apache.
1844563;1535231531;mod6;Yeah, sounds good.  apache2 should be fine.
1844564;1535231541;mod6;BingoBoingo ben_vulpes trinque anyone else ^ ?
1844565;1535231551;mircea_popescu;jurov mysql 5.560 / apache 2.4.16 know to work.
1844566;1535231559;jurov;But i don't want to install newest one, it may pull gcc 6 and what not, does cuntoo has an apache version?
1844567;1535231563;mircea_popescu;!!key nicoleci
1844568;1535231565;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/64D970E1975FDC002A0AE085E7099E0C61EE6ADB.asc
1844569;1535231565;jurov;mircea_popescu: aok
1844570;1535231570;mircea_popescu;!!rate nicoleci 1 i own her.
1844571;1535231573;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/UsH03/?raw=true
1844572;1535231612;trinque;mod6: what was the question?
1844573;1535231676;mod6;curious as to what apache2 version is suitable for just normal website or one that would include wp-mp
1844574;1535231686;mod6;and i think stormy, the foundation box was a gentoo setup by ben.
1844575;1535231699;mod6;but I don't know if it's cuntoo-ish, or early cuntoo-ish.
1844576;1535231707;mircea_popescu;jurov this was gcc 4.4.7
1844577;1535231716;trinque;yep, I host with you, so whatever it is you provide worx.
1844578;1535231730;mircea_popescu;trinque i don't think they know what they provide :D
1844579;1535231736;trinque;lawdy
1844580;1535231819;mod6;it's not the same box.
1844581;1535231832;mod6;that's a different box, i'll check and see there on the shared environment.  one sec.
1844582;1535231937;jurov;no rush
1844583;1535231966;mod6;ok shared environment is:
1844584;1535231973;mod6;Apache/2.4.29
1844585;1535232039;mod6;mysqld  Ver 5.5.59
1844586;1535232286;jurov;mod6 good. Please copy over /usr/portage from the shared box to a new dir (don't overwrite anything) and I'll go on from there.
1844587;1535232336;jurov;bbl
1844588;1535232340;mod6;ok will do.
1844589;1535232357;mod6;wait
1844590;1535232361;mod6; /usr/portage ?
1844591;1535232364;mod6;you want the entire thing?
1844592;1535232370;mod6;is that a good idea?
1844593;1535232397;jurov;yes, whole. why, it's in the same switch, no?
1844594;1535232442;mod6;yeah, it's on the same network.  im not as worried about that, but i just thought that it might be bad to mix and match the portage files from what we have existing, to whatever the shared environment has on there.
1844595;1535232447;mod6;maybe that's not really an issue.
1844596;1535232449;mod6;dunno
1844597;1535232546;jurov;no, mixing custom version of few select packages like apache is usually not an issue
1844598;1535232559;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in #consent, https://78.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5rs7rTF5e1rs2onlo1_1280.jpg
1844599;1535232582;mod6;jurov: alright, will have to take your word for it here.
1844600;1535232617;mod6;i will throw the tarball of the shared environment's portage into your ~/
1844601;1535232634;mod6;then you can just unroll it there (not overwriting the current one) and do what you need.
1844602;1535232657;mircea_popescu;nicoleci : ssh-keygen -t rsa -b 4096 -C "nicole@MP's whorehouse"
1844603;1535232667;mircea_popescu;it'll take a while to run. when it's done...
1844604;1535232668;jurov;mod6 you can throw in /etc/make.conf and /etc/portage for good measure
1844605;1535232670;mircea_popescu;!!key mod6
1844606;1535232671;deedbot;http://wot.deedbot.org/027A8D7C0FB8A16643720F40721705A8B71EADAF.asc
1844607;1535232790;mod6;jurov: ok
1844608;1535232852;mod6;jurov: make.conf lives in /etc/portage on shared env.  will just grab the entire /etc/portage dir
1844609;1535232915;mircea_popescu;nicoleci when it's done curl http://wot.deedbot.org/027A8D7C0FB8A16643720F40721705A8B71EADAF.asc | gpg --import ; and then item=`cat ~/.ssh/id_rsa`; echo $(curl -Ls -o /dev/null -w %{url_effective} -X POST -F "pastebox=$item" http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com -w %{url_effective}) ; it'll spit out a pastebin url, say mod6 <url> when it does.
1844610;1535233108;nicoleci;yes Master
1844611;1535233220;mircea_popescu;in the meanwhile, once you learn italian you could read http://aretino.letteraturaoperaomnia.org/aretino_la_cortigiana.html ; but until then i guess http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-21#1843362 should make ok replacement for... whatever was the stupid shit you were reading ?
1844612;1535233220;a111;Logged on 2018-08-21 15:00 mircea_popescu: http://www.michaelhaldane.com/kleinzaches.htm << shall link it.
1844613;1535233300;nicoleci;gang leader for a day..
1844614;1535233308;mircea_popescu;kids today!
1844615;1535233593;mod6;ben_vulpes: I need to ask you a question about your excise-hash vpatch, I'll do so in #trilema-mod6
1844616;1535233671;BingoBoingo; Most comprehensive mp-wp write up at the moment appears to be from lobbes http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/06/mein-kompendium-mp-wp/
1844617;1535233684;BingoBoingo;Includes links to the other guides
1844618;1535235588;mod6;jurov: ok both tarballs are now in your ~/ : The entire /usr/portage ~and~ the /etc/portage (which also included a sybolic link to /usr/portage/profiles/default/linux/amd64/17.0/no-multilib which I also dropped in there incase you needed it -- all of this is from the shared environment, UY1.
1844619;1535235606;mod6;They've been chowned for ya, so you should be g2g.  Let me know if otherwise.
1844620;1535237771;nicoleci;mod6 http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/I5eVX/?raw=true tyvm
1844621;1535237785;*;mod6 looks
1844622;1535237790;mircea_popescu;mod6 do me a favour and add the slut to the shared.
1844623;1535237798;mircea_popescu;how does she get to her mp-wp admin from teh ssh ?
1844624;1535237799;mod6;ok Sir, will get started on that now.
1844625;1535237803;mircea_popescu;ty.
1844626;1535237822;mod6;mircea_popescu: actually not sure.  i'm pretty unclued on the entire thing.
1844627;1535237838;mod6;my guess, ssh in, and do the what is needed from her ~/
1844628;1535237862;mircea_popescu;you mean install one ?
1844629;1535237866;mod6;once I have her account and other things set up from the script, BingoBoingo is going to take over and do the wp-mp setup.
1844630;1535237872;mircea_popescu;a cool.
1844631;1535237884;mircea_popescu;that's nice.
1844632;1535237900;mod6;he's gonna take some notes for us.  this way im not so unclued next time.
1844633;1535238143;mircea_popescu;worx.
1844634;1535238289;mod6;alright, was able to decrypt nicoleci's message, contents look normal. about to try to run the script here...
1844635;1535238584;mod6;mircea_popescu: what domain is she going to be using for wp-mp?  (the script needs to know upfront)
1844636;1535238650;mod6;brb, I gotta pull these ribs out of the smoker and eat 'em.
1844637;1535239571;mircea_popescu;mod6 a damn, forgot. 1sec
1844638;1535239874;mircea_popescu;mod6 what ns ? was it ns1.qntra.net ns2.qntra.net ?
1844639;1535239923;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It is indeed.
1844640;1535239925;mircea_popescu;try
1844641;1535239927;mircea_popescu;ty*
1844642;1535239992;BingoBoingo;Let me know what the domain is and if any additional records are desired for the domain
1844643;1535240018;mircea_popescu;"There was a problem with one or more of the NameServers you entered.This is likely caused by the entered NameServers not being created yet."
1844644;1535240021;mircea_popescu;usure BingoBoingo ?
1844645;1535240040;mircea_popescu;im getting bimbo.club ; apparently this is free ?!
1844646;1535240249;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Very sure ns1.qntra.net and ns2.qntra.net Problem could be unhelpful error message intending to complain the nameserver at present lacks a record for bimbo.club
1844647;1535240262;mircea_popescu;jesus fuck, check out these idiots : advertise it at $1.89 ; charge $15. da fuck.
1844648;1535240276;mircea_popescu;now i got the choice of either chasing a ~nothing or making some scammer's day ? pshaw.
1844649;1535240874;mod6;ive got an emergency over here, and i have to leave.
1844650;1535240894;mod6;BingoBoingo: nicoleci's keyfile is in /home/mod6
1844651;1535240910;mod6;please go ahead and get started on that for me, i don't know when i'll be back.
1844652;1535240966;BingoBoingo;mod6: ack
1844653;1535241752;mircea_popescu;don't stress out about it, chick's slow anyway.
1844654;1535241787;mircea_popescu;not to mention has a raftload of shit to do.
1844655;1535241821;BingoBoingo;I've got some time before the Peruana gets off work
1844656;1535242007;mircea_popescu;how's that coming along ? wedding soon ?
1844657;1535242629;BingoBoingo;Not soon, but not out of the question
1844658;1535243267;mircea_popescu;fancy that wonder!
1844659;1535243540;BingoBoingo;It's taken some time adjusting to "apartment != alt-hotel", but time is a sort of one way valve
1844660;1535252775;mod6;ok I'm back.  my apologies.
1844661;1535252861;mod6;so am I correct in that we're going to set up the account for 'bimbo.club' ?
1844662;1535255855;mircea_popescu;please.
1844663;1535256192;mod6;Ok, on it.
1844664;1535256417;mircea_popescu;emergenct de-emergenced itself i hope ?
1844665;1535256661;mod6;yeah, it's fine.  twisted ankle from jumping in a pool.
1844666;1535256675;mircea_popescu;coulda been worse.
1844667;1535256739;mod6;yeah, certainly.  lesson learned i think :D
1844668;1535256780;mircea_popescu;hey, i twisted my ankl;es numerous times in this here ocean. some things worth a twist.
1844669;1535257297;mircea_popescu;jesus the pantsuit press looks just like the pravda. seriously, Ludendorff died ? aww!
1844670;1535257630;mod6;yeah, srsly
1844671;1535257982;mircea_popescu;meanwhile on the other side,
1844672;1535257985;mircea_popescu;!#s Aleksei Navalnîi
1844673;1535257985;a111;0 results for "Aleksei Navalnîi", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=Aleksei%20Navaln%C3%AEi
1844674;1535258878;mod6;Alright, so I ran the script, and I got an error when it did the apache configuration test near the end of the script.
1844675;1535258906;mod6;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/dBcLG/?raw=true << ben_vulpes BingoBoingo asciilifeform : Please review and see what might be wrong here, or out of place.  Thanks in advance.
1844676;1535258963;mod6;The user has been setup, and her vhost configuration file is in place, it just doesn't like something about either an existing config, or hers.
1844677;1535259014;mod6;mircea_popescu: apologies, we'll sort it out and let you know asap.  Once this part is resolved, then we still need to unroll/setup wpmp, but she should at least have access to the host itself.
1844678;1535259032;mircea_popescu;dun worry about it.
1844679;1535259102;mod6;Thanks Sir.  Probably will call it a night here in just a bit.  Can pick it back up tomorrow.
1844680;1535259142;mircea_popescu;yeh, take it easy.
1844681;1535266782;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo btw, you ever read the fascinating story of young george cottrell ?
1844682;1535279635;mats;http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-21#1688613 << https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/ESP8266-chip-ESP8266EX-wireless-WIFI-chip_60665531335.html
1844683;1535279635;a111;Logged on 2017-07-21 18:33 asciilifeform: upstack : if anybody knows where to get esp8266 , or knows who knows, etc.., plz write in
1844684;1535290377;asciilifeform;mats: yer link shows no price unless logged in acct
1844685;1535290411;asciilifeform;and i dun have one . plz reveal the surprise ?
1844686;1535290599;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-26#1844672 << d00d is the quasi-official usg.colouredrevolution clown in ru
1844687;1535290599;a111;Logged on 2018-08-26 04:33 mircea_popescu: !#s Aleksei Navalnîi
1844688;1535290659;asciilifeform;did he finally croak too?
1844689;1535294498;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-26#1844688 << nah, he "got arrested" therefore all the http://trilema.com/2017/in-case-you-were-wondering-where-all-the-worthless-nuland-drones-ended-up/ are penning pieces in all the usg-"financed" ( ref http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-05#1666048 ) "mainstream" media throughout all ru neighbours, "putin arrested the head of russian opposition".
1844690;1535294498;a111;Logged on 2018-08-26 13:37 asciilifeform: did he finally croak too?
1844691;1535294498;a111;Logged on 2017-06-05 16:13 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-05#1666045 << the way the lizards expect the shit to work is exactly in the way mp -saves-openbsd worked : as seen moneyz. recall the story of the us embassy spending a whooping 50k to start an "empire" of fake news tv stations etc ?
1844692;1535294512;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I have not yet
1844693;1535294514;mircea_popescu;sorta exact rewrite of the mccain story, except with different epitheths.
1844694;1535294546;mircea_popescu;kinda like how imperial text production / shannonization works : they got an ancient piece of paper and a cutout, they put the cutout on the piece of paper and spray the right color bits.
1844695;1535294594;mircea_popescu;eulogy or "political analysis" or what have you, comes out. it's true that it doesn't make much sense, and bears a very torturous relation to reality -- but bear in mind it has the right color!!!
1844696;1535294635;mircea_popescu;george everytard's "yes i didn't do any work, but bear in mind i am in the smaller office" very much apropos.
1844697;1535294655;BingoBoingo;Ah
1844698;1535294671;mircea_popescu;meanwhile digging up for the original "embassy"-driven-media-in-orclands, turned up http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-20#1026303 . fine example of the exact same. "even the onion" huh ?
1844699;1535294671;a111;Logged on 2015-02-20 18:24 mircea_popescu: "Here's one that even The Onion would reject as too blatantly ridiculous: American right-wing radio and TV clown Glenn Beck believes that Sean Smith aka Vile Rat, the EVE Online diplomat who was killed earlier this month during the attack on the US embassy in Benghazi, was actually a CIA agent, relaying communications to his fellow undercover agents at Something Awful."
1844700;1535294813;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo nah, that was re aleksei fellow. cottrell is a recent example in "usg diplomatic efforts" in the vein of http://trilema.com/2017/stop-being-so-fucking-poor/#selection-29.0-57.176 : british aristocrat, head of fundraisings for ukip, kidnapped at o'hare by usg criminal org.
1844701;1535294833;mircea_popescu;lotta this "law enforcement, you mean kidnap uppity orcs" byzantine practice.
1844702;1535294881;mircea_popescu;also the fundamental problem in thinking you'll "do something" with the fiat "government" of whatever satellite state : no, you won't. mother empire will kidnap you, and your erstwhile "friends" and "allies" in the daugther fiat org will clap along.
1844703;1535294921;mircea_popescu;fiatists can't be trusted because what they are, not because some sort of circumstance that can be managed.
1844704;1535295061;BingoBoingo;Right
1844705;1535295089;BingoBoingo;Just taking order except when they aren't. Then they just lying and stealing
1844706;1535295090;mircea_popescu;sooner or later the "fiatism = reality doesn't exist outside of what we call it" birdy will come home to roost.
1844707;1535295271;BingoBoingo;And the tiny brown girl is puzzling over the words on the screen, and why is your screen so weird
1844708;1535295369;mircea_popescu;speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-11#1736154 you know us citizen can't get into turkey for love or money ?
1844709;1535295369;a111;Logged on 2017-11-11 05:04 mircea_popescu: sooner or later the dorks will understand that until/unless burned down us "embassy" / all ustards coming in detained and shot, there won't be peace.
1844710;1535295419;mircea_popescu;they won't let ~me~ bring ~my own slaves~ even. fucking determined to live, these remnants of a world empire.
1844711;1535295542;BingoBoingo;Ah, they turkey ban on estadounidense has been going on for a while now
1844712;1535295569;mircea_popescu;ikr ?
1844713;1535295593;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781380 << for the ~same reason perennial victim of "fraudster" would rather "hope" than complain. it's a mental issue.
1844714;1535295593;a111;Logged on 2018-02-05 16:14 asciilifeform: this part i always found puzzling. why not take the chance for revenge
1844715;1535295594;BingoBoingo;Amazing how they stopped talking and complaining about it within a week
1844716;1535295654;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo quite impressive huh. good thing they conquered... what was thart middle east city that we can't remember ? very important site of "coallition" "victory" every other week for a coupla years.
1844717;1535295669;mircea_popescu;and also good that russia disappeared altogether, under "embargo" burden. andf other things.
1844718;1535295708;BingoBoingo;Raqqa? Or was it the hearts and minds of Fallujah Fall 2004 through present
1844719;1535295830;mircea_popescu;i think it was the city of iran
1844720;1535295834;mircea_popescu;or maybe islam ? or somesuch
1844721;1535295844;mircea_popescu;( BingoBoingo mosul, doh)
1844722;1535295876;BingoBoingo;Aha, the one with the Kurds and Why!
1844723;1535295934;mircea_popescu;right ? "coallition" "won", ie orc type K now fucking in the ass orc type W, on own power, in revenge for previous reversed state etc.
1844724;1535295961;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in "other things dredged up by logsearch", http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-15#1644061
1844725;1535295961;a111;Logged on 2017-04-15 15:08 Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-15#1644022 << i understand the importance of this question and shall attempt some kind of answer, or will properly fail. bit later (took mdma last night with girl, after ~3 year break. so much love omg.)
1844726;1535295963;mircea_popescu;harmless???
1844727;1535296166;mircea_popescu;finally! let's make the links : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-13#1643192 <-> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-16#1644834 <-> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-05#1666048 (note how correct figure was ~40k not 50k, but w/e, rounding).
1844728;1535296166;a111;Logged on 2017-04-13 18:38 mircea_popescu: and in other lulz : http://www.globalresearch.ca/ukraine-protests-carefully-orchestrated-the-role-of-canvas-us-financed-color-revolution-training-group/5369906
1844729;1535296166;a111;Logged on 2017-04-16 23:23 mircea_popescu: yes, i linked the paperwork coupla days ago. what the ukr split cost was 40k.
1844730;1535296166;a111;Logged on 2017-06-05 16:13 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-05#1666045 << the way the lizards expect the shit to work is exactly in the way mp -saves-openbsd worked : as seen moneyz. recall the story of the us embassy spending a whooping 50k to start an "empire" of fake news tv stations etc ?
1844731;1535297230;mircea_popescu;but anyway, since for some reason we're doing "political prisoners" today, let's also mention the interesting case of one kevin trudeau.
1844732;1535297276;mircea_popescu;this fellow thought that the court has no authority to tell him how to conduct his affairs. this is a capital point which'd have been readily obvious in the 90s, echoes of "cold war" and "What we're all about" ideological gargle still resounding in everyone's ears.
1844733;1535297297;mircea_popescu;by the mid 2000s it was becoming altogether dubious (and today it's pretty much accepted inside the zone, that courts can tell one what to do and how to do it).
1844734;1535297331;mircea_popescu;so he got kidnapped sometime in the interval (2004 - 2007 - 2012, whatever) and well... they're still working him over for "hidden wealth".
1844735;1535297338;mircea_popescu;altogether stalin'd be proud.
1844736;1535298696;mircea_popescu;the charge of "contempt of court" (the "court" being in this case quite very personally a certain gettleman) in the new soviet roughly approximates the never-formally-codified charge of "insufficient love for batyushka".
1844737;1535299833;mats;asciilifeform: looks like 0.001usd/ea
1844738;1535299862;asciilifeform;mats: in what min qt ?
1844739;1535299923;mats;page says 2. i’m not even logged in
1844740;1535299985;asciilifeform;mats: potentially interesting, then
1844741;1535300106;asciilifeform;as plain p2p radio, 8266 is sorta marginal (i got ~100 metres in open air, 150 is pushing it) but is still interesting from pov of 'bridge gaps by connecting to open wifi in orcistani city'
1844742;1535300155;mircea_popescu;can you argue with a cent ?
1844743;1535300253;asciilifeform;cent for 8266, 8bux for a http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-16#1842253, another 10 for the passives/board/1F caps, a 5 for solar panel, still looking at not exactly vanishingly small cost per box
1844744;1535300253;a111;Logged on 2018-08-16 18:18 asciilifeform: in other noose, asciilifeform obtained and testing a LTC3108 , 'energy harvester', they've become cheapo
1844745;1535300264;asciilifeform;but getting there
1844746;1535300300;mats;https://www.ondrovo.com/a/20170207-esp-consumption/ it looks more power hungry than expected in logs
1844747;1535300317;asciilifeform;mats: it is very economical when not actually doing anyffing
1844748;1535300329;asciilifeform;but yes wifi is energetically costly, vs 'plain' radio
1844749;1535300333;asciilifeform;very chatty protocol
1844750;1535300338;mats;wake up is expensive+++
1844751;1535300466;asciilifeform;430mA is already moar than can be had from peltier unless attached to frying pan on one end and pound of heatsink on other
1844752;1535300487;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in "deep web" lulz, https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DleKVDtU0AEwaV1.jpg
1844753;1535300532;asciilifeform;lol! i had nfi that d00d were still 'in biznis'
1844754;1535300672;mircea_popescu;well apparently not, or i dunno.
1844755;1535300674;asciilifeform;mats: mircea_popescu's 'peltier relay' would be quite trivial if we had fab resource, but we aint there yet
1844756;1535300712;mircea_popescu;anyway, i lolled @ "literal millions". funny how ~erryone thinks it's ok to pretend to being mp, on words only.
1844757;1535300737;asciilifeform;words -- cheap
1844758;1535300795;mircea_popescu;yeah. and then they keep wording at each other and end up believing someone somewhere in there "must have $$$".
1844759;1535300824;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: recall the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1708187 clown ?
1844760;1535300824;a111;Logged on 2017-09-01 03:02 kanzure: yuep that's what we spent $27 million on. browsing walmart. k
1844761;1535300827;mircea_popescu;sorta like kids in primary school -- no 9yo ever fucked anyone, but if you get 1000 of them together telling each other stories, the general impression ends up that "someone somewhere must've".
1844762;1535300831;mircea_popescu;wtf, 9yos!
1844763;1535300907;mircea_popescu;the funny thing is, back when i was writing in romanian, THIS HAPPENED EXACTLY. rando nobody-pretending-to-be-mne threw shitfit in exact same terms over exact same "problems", i even quoted it on trilema back then.
1844764;1535300925;asciilifeform;pretty sure i read that one
1844765;1535300926;mircea_popescu;what the fuck am i going to do now, lulz at 2018 anglo-repaste of stale 2008 ro dramaz ?!
1844766;1535300946;asciilifeform;and then mircea_popescu built the ro 'republicans' a house, and they sat and drank tuica for yr+ and 0 result iirc
1844767;1535300967;mircea_popescu;there's just no way to squeeze an article out of this shit, it's so information-nil. even a few chatlines are pushing it.
1844768;1535300984;mircea_popescu;wtf world, you were supposed to be complex and of many aspects. what the fuck is this lame ass crap ?!
1844769;1535301022;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform were "nazi". and ftr hanbot was genuinely concerned they were going to round up gypos, at the onset!
1844770;1535301048;mats; asciilifeform: so we double the size of the peltier
1844771;1535301053;asciilifeform;hey recall, they ran out of souls to stuff in the new walkers, so naturally film projectors a la http://trilema.com/2018/and-today-in-fetlife-updates-sad-news/#selection-69.120-69.657 instead of people, and film projector playing same film N times gives N copies of same result, neh.
1844772;1535301062;mircea_popescu;mats peltier doesn't scale well.
1844773;1535301092;asciilifeform;mats, mircea_popescu : it doesn't , largely for the reason of needing some place to 'cold side'
1844774;1535301093;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i am not supposed to be having these problems! post-modern textual deversion is supposed to be overwhelming not underwhelming.
1844775;1535301100;asciilifeform;lol
1844776;1535301161;asciilifeform;photocell sorta scales, but for half amp at 5v you're already talking about something the size of a4 paper , and that's in broad daylight strictly
1844777;1535301207;mircea_popescu;and then you need to send the window washers.
1844778;1535301209;asciilifeform;relay can ~transmit~ in, e.g., hourly, bursts -- but must ~receive~ somewhere close to 100% of the time
1844779;1535301294;asciilifeform;and if you're building a 100 $ photo panel in erry node, it ought to do proper long haul sw, a la http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-05#1831795 , rather than 100 metre small change.
1844780;1535301294;a111;Logged on 2018-07-05 16:40 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform imo this is not even the wrong way ; will not only significantly cheapen our end, but ~all of the enemy hardware will ahve to be replaced, at capital costs far exceeding its current capacities (projected to diminish in the future as they may be)
1844781;1535301363;asciilifeform;two dozen of ~those~, could handily cover whole globe.
1844782;1535301550;mircea_popescu;it's actually cheaper to put in batteries than to half VA sorta deals on "renewables".
1844783;1535301572;asciilifeform;who's gonna trek into the jungle to change battery.
1844784;1535301587;mircea_popescu;or replace the damned photcelss / windowwash them
1844785;1535301605;mircea_popescu;it's disposable either way.
1844786;1535301605;asciilifeform;you wouldn't replace photocell, but simply emplace new box when one dies.
1844787;1535301610;mircea_popescu;exactly.
1844788;1535301624;asciilifeform;fwiw i have photocell+li-poly battery garden lights, they've been going for 4y nao. 5bux/ea.
1844789;1535301626;mircea_popescu;size battery to within 1 sigma of "dies anyway", and there yo ugo
1844790;1535301641;mircea_popescu;yeah, but they're led and do 1/100 VA.
1844791;1535301641;asciilifeform;i dun know of a 4y battery that costs <5bux.
1844792;1535301648;mircea_popescu;i looked for non-led ones, can't be had.
1844793;1535301659;mircea_popescu;the nice array lights, those want more like 100VA.
1844794;1535301664;asciilifeform;actually they pull half amp or so. and stay lit for most of the night, typically even in winter.
1844795;1535301673;mircea_popescu;(pretty much the only "modern" light that is spectrum-acceptable)
1844796;1535301756;asciilifeform;it was actually the chinese garden lights that led me to theory of 'pv powered node'. they have miniscule photocells, too, barely the size of half playing card.
1844797;1535301761;mircea_popescu;https://www.recreationid.com/duracell/explorer-lantern-mpn-lnt-20us.html << they call it "led" to fuck things up, but it eminently is not. germanium array or w.e it is
1844798;1535301775;asciilifeform;something larger could handily power receive-24hrs-transmit-1s-day sort of affair.
1844799;1535301837;mircea_popescu;https://softserve.8ch.net/static/stim/c6feb79297b74e138bead1118e8afd13.png << meanwhile in lulz.
1844800;1535301851;asciilifeform;http://www.hjcloseouts.com/wp-content/uploads/solarlight.jpg << subj, approx
1844801;1535301870;asciilifeform;lol the fleanode.nsa thing
1844802;1535301898;mircea_popescu;yup.
1844803;1535301922;mircea_popescu;privateinternetaccess totally pwning this "i'm a cryptoretard" "market"
1844804;1535302085;asciilifeform;i suspect that 'market' collectively barely adds up to what the server costs'em
1844805;1535302093;ben_vulpes;mod6: fixed. moved the log directives out of the directory block and into the top level virtualhost, and made the logdir for the user in question
1844806;1535302099;ben_vulpes;mod6: updooted script http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/RnzNR/?raw=true
1844807;1535302171;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-26#1844708 << yr+ at this point, iirc
1844808;1535302171;a111;Logged on 2018-08-26 14:56 mircea_popescu: speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-11#1736154 you know us citizen can't get into turkey for love or money ?
1844809;1535302188;asciilifeform;asciilifeform's pet actively cries re subj, has yearned to go to turkey for many yrs
1844810;1535302195;asciilifeform;( archaeology buff )
1844811;1535302199;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's ok, feds gotta spend all that http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-23#1843870 loot somehow.
1844812;1535302199;a111;Logged on 2018-08-23 17:21 mircea_popescu: there's 0 slack on one hand ; and the whole thing is powered on "mistake".
1844813;1535302244;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ayup, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1731593
1844814;1535302244;a111;Logged on 2017-10-31 22:54 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1731544 << everyone is, as a result of usg militant tardation. i can just drive into brazil. you -- can not. they "banned" turkish visitors, as if anyone from turkey could be arsed to go to the us ; turkey reciprocated, meaning about 70% of classical antiquity is now off limits to what in english passes for "the civilised world".
1844815;1535302277;asciilifeform;typical conv, 'pet : banned from turkey! nooooo    a: guesswat, ameri-passport worse than zimbabwe's, 'wolf's ticket' in half the planet'
1844816;1535302330;asciilifeform;(hey what do they call 'wolf's ticket' in ro ? i.e. black mark of shame, sorta opposite of a letter of rec)
1844817;1535302428;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: is one of the answers to the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-16#1842183 thing.
1844818;1535302428;a111;Logged on 2018-08-16 17:24 mircea_popescu: i don't get it, what;s the rush ?
1844819;1535302472;mircea_popescu;they actually don't. romanians like wolves. you can have an idiot mark or a whore mark, but no such thing as "bad guy".
1844820;1535302515;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the "what's the rush" was very specific : you go there, what do you care if you get your passport year 1 or year 8 of YOUR STAY THERE./
1844821;1535302540;mircea_popescu;bringing to the fore that de-zeking INVOLVES DE ZEKING. you must NO LONGER ZEK.
1844822;1535302549;mircea_popescu;there is no magical pill whereby yhou can keep right on zeking.
1844823;1535302552;mircea_popescu;while you zek, you're zek.
1844824;1535302559;asciilifeform;like chechens, hah. ( phunphakt, general dudayev banned the cult su cartoon 'ну погоди' in his kingdom in '90s, because 'insults our national animal' i shit thee not )
1844825;1535302573;mircea_popescu;i can see it.
1844826;1535302615;asciilifeform;it may seem odd that sheep herders would have warm feeling for wolf, but i can see it. 'colleague.'
1844827;1535302726;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i see the angle of 'if you aint a zek what do you care what the locals think' but 8y is a long time to be stuck inside a border, anywhere. ( and yes i get it, mircea_popescu travels by u-boat and dun need passports. but this is high pilotage. )
1844828;1535302779;asciilifeform;from http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-26#1844710 i infer that turkey has shortage of uboat parking, or whoknows.
1844829;1535302779;a111;Logged on 2018-08-26 14:56 mircea_popescu: they won't let ~me~ bring ~my own slaves~ even. fucking determined to live, these remnants of a world empire.
1844830;1535302792;mircea_popescu;you're not stuck inside anything.
1844831;1535302801;mircea_popescu;iirc the condition to maintain residence is being there 3 mo/year.
1844832;1535302810;mircea_popescu;IF there even still is one, which is dubious altogether.
1844833;1535302822;asciilifeform;hm interesting
1844834;1535302849;mircea_popescu;tbh, i've known a precious few who NEVER spent a month in the same jurisdiction, but it's a bit of a nasty life. closer to backpacking / travelling jew-gypo-salesman than anything.
1844835;1535302858;asciilifeform;usa was moar fascist, iirc demanded 50wk/y
1844836;1535303041;mircea_popescu;and of course "inside eu doesn't count as having left".
1844837;1535303047;asciilifeform;right
1844838;1535303049;mircea_popescu;while that lasts --- looks like the union's going away
1844839;1535303074;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in dumb kids code, http://archive.is/QyMc8#selection-1641.76-1641.117
1844840;1535303089;mircea_popescu;"pattern recognition and spacial awareness" ie visual "thinkers" ftw.
1844841;1535303099;asciilifeform;lol regexp brains
1844842;1535303165;asciilifeform;'...I know enough to know I'm nowhere near as knowledgeable as someone who seriously studies the tools but I'm trying to get results fast so I skip the real learning use google and find code that suits my needs then memorize and apply it as best I can...' << homo perlicus , as described by naggum & elsewhere
1844843;1535303180;mircea_popescu;btw, most of what "sex games" do these days is "training".
1844844;1535303182;mod6;ben_vulpes: hey! ok thanks.
1844845;1535303204;asciilifeform;( anyone who wonders why 'programmer' worldwide has roughly same reputation as 'untouchable latrine cleaner in calcutta' -- wonder no longer )
1844846;1535303254;asciilifeform;sed -rn "/\# Kitty Sex Sprite/{:a;N;/\#End Animations for Kitty's Body during Footjobs/{/.*/p;d};ba}" Kitty_Animations.rpy > xfer-anim.rpy << ahahahahawaaat
1844847;1535303265;asciilifeform;what even was this
1844848;1535303380;mircea_popescu;nfi
1844849;1535303386;mod6;ben_vulpes asciilifeform BingoBoingo : Alright, looks like ben did clean up the vhosts for ben.conf and nicoleci.conf -- there is a warning about determining the servers FQDN, but it does return a "Syntax OK".
1844850;1535303412;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's basically lightly scripted html (think, serverless-php) for "games" in the sense of "click here for next page"
1844851;1535303422;mircea_popescu;"visual novels", whatever.
1844852;1535303444;asciilifeform;upstack, re zeks -- mircea_popescu is entirely right, a zek is not simply d00d with 'wrong passport', but pauper with no means of support outside of the gulag ( where he knows how to cut wood, or wash gold nuggets, or whatever, for a bowl of cabbage swill. ) speaking first-hand here. zek is simply folx who are not needed for anyffing anywhere.
1844853;1535303494;mod6;All:  In 30 minutes I'll do an Apache reload and hope everthing is fine.  Then will send the login info to nicoleci.  After that, we need to configure wp-mp for bimbo.club.
1844854;1535303529;mircea_popescu;people were shipped to previous gulag. current gulag, nobody shipped you tards there but conversely -- the "guardians" were shipped in (mostly from india, where cheap, though a lot of promote-locals also atr work)
1844855;1535303544;asciilifeform;hey asciilifeform was indeed shipped !111
1844856;1535303564;asciilifeform;'and they transported him for life!'(tm)(r)('sweeney todd')
1844857;1535304394;mod6;I've hand rolled the message to nicoleci that would normally be spit out from the script.  Handrolled message has all of the correct information plugged in from the template.
1844858;1535304436;mod6;parenthetical ^
1844859;1535304443;mircea_popescu;mod6 does that let her log into mp-wp ?
1844860;1535304485;mod6;mircea_popescu: I don't think that it does; mearly allows her to ssh into her shared environment.  The wp-mp still needs to be configured.
1844861;1535304495;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i guess so, huh! but it was... for better life ?
1844862;1535304506;mircea_popescu;a ok.
1844863;1535304509;mod6;BingoBoingo: Once I do the 'apache restart' are you going to do the wp-mp configure and note taking?
1844864;1535304581;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: loll
1844865;1535304807;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-26#1844843 << specifically what that means being http://trilema.com/2018/meet-miss-piggy/ which is to say "take" (or whatever, "there are") these xx meatsacks you terraform into tolerability (which comes pre-canned). so under the guise of "not anyone can http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-26#1844827 " the zeks also learn "the acceptable end-states are K, P, Q" etc. which drives the "feminists" up th
1844866;1535304807;a111;Logged on 2018-08-26 17:06 mircea_popescu: btw, most of what "sex games" do these days is "training".
1844867;1535304807;a111;Logged on 2018-08-26 16:58 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i see the angle of 'if you aint a zek what do you care what the locals think' but 8y is a long time to be stuck inside a border, anywhere. ( and yes i get it, mircea_popescu travels by u-boat and dun need passports. but this is high pilotage. )
1844868;1535304807;mircea_popescu;e wall.
1844869;1535304857;mircea_popescu;but in point of fact, while you zek you're zek! if "real training of real women is too expensive" then NECESSARILY there will be canned end states and "hello pumpklin, this is mother speaking. this is your wife, and this is how your wife should be"
1844870;1535304937;mircea_popescu;basically the whole "conversation" is macro-reimplementation of broke-ass household discussing credit card debt. "this is what we can't have" "but this is what we want" "and it's what we can't have" "which we want" "but can't have" "want"...
1844871;1535305301;mod6;Ok hang tight for a pizarro shared environment apache reload.
1844872;1535305320;mircea_popescu;mod6 you gotta reboot the thing every time you add an acct ?
1844873;1535305353;mod6;* Gracefully restarting apache2 ...
1844874;1535305354;mod6;Done
1844875;1535305362;mod6;It just does a 'graceful' mircea_popescu
1844876;1535305374;mod6;This loads in the new vhosts file into apache's mem
1844877;1535305381;mircea_popescu;a
1844878;1535305408;mod6;I figure it's more professional to alert customers that this is happening than to just haul off and do it.
1844879;1535305849;mod6;nicoleci: Here is your login info to the shared environment's shell (terminal).  Mr. Popescu's version of WordPress (wp-mp) isn't setup for you yet -- we're working on that.  But you should retain this information: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/aQXlH/?raw=true
1844880;1535306140;mod6;nicoleci: One of us from Pizarro ( BingoBoingo , asciilifeform , or myself ) will update you when wp-mp is all set to go for you.  Stay tuned.  Thanks!
1844881;1535306177;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-26#1844869 << ftr asciilifeform's pet asks erryday 'when will we have realmilk(tm) from joiana to drink again'. which canned state is this, i wunder
1844882;1535306177;a111;Logged on 2018-08-26 17:34 mircea_popescu: but in point of fact, while you zek you're zek! if "real training of real women is too expensive" then NECESSARILY there will be canned end states and "hello pumpklin, this is mother speaking. this is your wife, and this is how your wife should be"
1844883;1535306258;asciilifeform;i suspect that not errything comes in canned states, and reality, even in gulag, is slightly moar complicated than the picture suggested by mircea_popescu
1844884;1535306579;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-26#1844870 << reportedly in gulag and likewise modern ru prisons, there is this pasttime, where folx describe to one another the delicious dishes they may supposedly have once eaten.
1844885;1535306579;a111;Logged on 2018-08-26 17:35 mircea_popescu: basically the whole "conversation" is macro-reimplementation of broke-ass household discussing credit card debt. "this is what we can't have" "but this is what we want" "and it's what we can't have" "which we want" "but can't have" "want"...
1844886;1535306633;asciilifeform;sorta like http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-26#1844761 , nao that i think about it
1844887;1535306633;a111;Logged on 2018-08-26 16:27 mircea_popescu: sorta like kids in primary school -- no 9yo ever fucked anyone, but if you get 1000 of them together telling each other stories, the general impression ends up that "someone somewhere must've".
1844888;1535306695;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well, in the "games" there's generally some specific characteristics. "demon girl" whartever.
1844889;1535306714;asciilifeform;!!up diana_away
1844890;1535306715;deedbot;diana_away voiced for 30 minutes.
1844891;1535306729;diana_away;oh hey, asciilifeform I saw the ocelots!!
1844892;1535306739;asciilifeform;srsly?
1844893;1535306742;asciilifeform;where?
1844894;1535306772;diana_away;yes, there is this "refugio herpetologico" - basically a sort of zoo though mainly with rescued animals
1844895;1535306783;diana_away;there were 2, curled up and twitching their ears only
1844896;1535306800;asciilifeform;ha
1844897;1535306816;asciilifeform;but how did they end up in... herpetarium
1844898;1535306843;mircea_popescu;a there you go.
1844899;1535306848;diana_away;kid loved the whole thing, went like 3 times and questioned the poor guide on everything from birds to sewers and "why is that door so small and why don't you cover the hole where that rat came through?
1844900;1535306880;diana_away;hi mircea_popescu apparently we timed it perfectly, just got in and then the rain started
1844901;1535306888;asciilifeform;ha they feed'em rats dun they.
1844902;1535306893;mircea_popescu;hehe. there's an art to it!
1844903;1535306911;diana_away;those were just local rats that apparently sneak into the macaws' cage and eat their food
1844904;1535306915;asciilifeform;aa
1844905;1535306933;diana_away;or these other big parrot-like green birds that I can't seem to remember as other than parrots
1844906;1535306949;diana_away;as big as macaws but green and with a bit of yellow on the neck
1844907;1535306954;asciilifeform;neato.
1844908;1535306972;diana_away;I liked the owls though
1844909;1535307056;diana_away;asciilifeform: for bonus points, the male ocelot is called Oleg
1844910;1535307179;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-26#1844842 the internets deliver : https://8ch.net/in/res/3926.html
1844911;1535307179;a111;Logged on 2018-08-26 17:06 asciilifeform: '...I know enough to know I'm nowhere near as knowledgeable as someone who seriously studies the tools but I'm trying to get results fast so I skip the real learning use google and find code that suits my needs then memorize and apply it as best I can...' << homo perlicus , as described by naggum & elsewhere
1844912;1535307196;mircea_popescu;"how do you change others' minds so me being utterly fucktarded works out better for me ?"
1844913;1535307200;mircea_popescu;socialists ftw!
1844914;1535307222;diana_away;mircea_popescu: I figured out the motorway exit our taxi took that time when we got there faster than you - it's quite a bit after the Sheraton, it doesn't seem to be marked in any reasonable way; there is only this name carved in greenery on the side as you go "villa real"; on the opposite side it's where it says country club santa ana
1844915;1535307314;mircea_popescu;interesting.
1844916;1535307335;mircea_popescu;i thought that was one of the "private developlents" / cul de sac things they do here
1844917;1535307337;diana_away;mircea_popescu: ugh, I know that "approach" from several students at the uni and they usually even got better marks with most "teachers" because "faster" myeah
1844918;1535307359;diana_away;it certainly looks like that, yes
1844919;1535307379;mircea_popescu;pro tip : endogamy is generally the strategy of the inadequate. there's a fucking reason prince gets himself gal from timbucktoo.
1844920;1535309168;BingoBoingo;<mod6> BingoBoingo: Once I do the 'apache restart' are you going to do the wp-mp configure and note taking? << Sure
1844921;1535309512;BingoBoingo;Also ns1.qntra.net and ns2.qntra.net have records for bimbo.club now as per dig @161.0.121.253 bimbo.club
1844922;1535310091;mircea_popescu;lemme update this then
1844923;1535310386;mircea_popescu;There was a problem with the NameServers you entered for the following domains: bimbo.club This is likely caused by the entered NameServers not being created yet
1844924;1535310414;mircea_popescu;mindblowingly, io have OTHER domains ns1.qntra.net,ns2.qntra.net
1844925;1535310584;trinque;hey folks, going to pack up the wallet hardware and move it to a new home this afternoon.
1844926;1535310611;trinque;if anybody needs to use, please do so in the next 30min, and any withdrawals will be processed this evening
1844927;1535310623;*;trinque is moving out of the beehive
1844928;1535310878;mod6;thanks for the heads up, Sir.
1844929;1535311033;trinque;np, before long this part is going to sit down at pizarro instead.
1844930;1535311054;mod6;Sounds good!
1844931;1535311369;mircea_popescu;cool.
1844932;1535312309;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo aha, finally took.
1844933;1535312427;trinque;alrighty, deedbot wallet will be back this evening. cheers all
1844934;1535312568;mod6;mircea_popescu: nice!
1844935;1535312572;mod6;thanks trinque
1844936;1535312599;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Nice, I will advise when mp-wp is ready for your chattel
1844937;1535313218;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/vote-hilary-2020/ << Trilema - Vote Hilary 2020!
1844938;1535313837;mircea_popescu;teh crowning pile-up of forced memes.
1844939;1535315584;mircea_popescu;lol, such collapse, from ye days of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-10#1500816 all the way down to http://archive.is/5OjG0#selection-173.325-173.358 nonsense ? tell you what : if you've never brought it before the forum, it was without much of fight. duh.
1844940;1535315584;a111;Logged on 2016-07-10 22:04 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron good work. so the practical question here is, would you be personally interested in running a us tmsr church ?
1844941;1535316204;mircea_popescu;anyway ; i guess we add "need a religious fellow" on the list, alongside an artist and a not-braindead-chinese-female-adolescent and so on.
1844942;1535316330;mircea_popescu;shockingly enough, it turns out just about ANY specification besides "homo perlicus" is in very short supply. somehow.
1844943;1535321357;BingoBoingo;!!seen esthlos
1844944;1535321358;deedbot;2018/08/08 01:39:01 <esthlos> (comms will still be shakey for a few days)
1844945;1535326670;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: his summaries updated coupla day ago , loox like
1844946;1535326680;asciilifeform;!!seen danielpbarron
1844947;1535326681;deedbot;2018/08/08 02:18:19 <danielpbarron> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-07#1840258 << try again. i moved it back in
1844948;1535326729;mircea_popescu;"2. mp combats retarded gringos oogling his domestic arrangements"
1844949;1535326782;mircea_popescu;eh, who the hell cares they're looking. it veers into retarded/ridiculous once they try to pretend equality.
1844950;1535326812;asciilifeform;the 'trade my fishwife for your hanbot' folx ?
1844951;1535326904;mircea_popescu;i suppose, pushing a point. i dunno, i guess in a sense it's the sad lot of senescence, to pretend community "with those crazy kids"
1844952;1535327064;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform very easy to have pocket model of this : go out the door, turn left, sit down at "entrepreneurial" "cowork" whatever neet social house, say "bitcoin".
1844953;1535327080;asciilifeform;uggh
1844954;1535327082;mircea_popescu;the ensuing "oh, I KNOW ABOUT THAT" storm is made in the end of the same substance, "oh, she's your slave ? well back in 'nam..."
1844955;1535327123;mircea_popescu;"really, back in nam you got some scared child that didn't speak your language to shove firecrackers up her butthole ?! SO TOTALLY THE SAME THING AT ALL!"
1844956;1535327127;asciilifeform;i think i'ma stay on this here beach instead, lol, pretty good weather for these few wks in a yr
1844957;1535327209;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the firecracker story ? usenet folklore, yknow, with the 'she killed our medic, the bitch, so we took flare gun...' one
1844958;1535327266;mircea_popescu;kinda common occurence @bootcamp, this, too. "well bimbo... it turns out we don't speak a common language. we share some vocabulary, i guess, but i use the king's english, who's been dead for a century or two, and you're doing something or the other with unimemecode."
1844959;1535327305;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform just picked random straw.
1844960;1535327413;mircea_popescu;wasn't even thinking of ye olde usenet, believe it or not!
1844961;1535327413;mircea_popescu;well, not consciously, at any rate.
1844962;1535327417;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i thought mpbootcamp began with ro
1844963;1535327423;mircea_popescu;nah.
1844964;1535327437;mircea_popescu;i only made them learn ro in ro. here spanish.
1844965;1535327452;asciilifeform;but errybody already knew spanish!111
1844966;1535327462;mircea_popescu;hahaha. right.
1844967;1535327517;asciilifeform;it's typically the only lang offered in amerischool
1844968;1535327543;mircea_popescu;that explains it then.
1844969;1535327555;asciilifeform;( in the sad midwest arsescape , often not even it )
1844970;1535327595;mircea_popescu;nobody fucking learns anything, forget about it.
1844971;1535327612;mircea_popescu;http://summaries.logs.esthlos.com/#2018-08-12 << fucking lulzy
1844972;1535327622;mircea_popescu;"    1. phuctor gets search feature    2. phuctor then runs out of disk"
1844973;1535327665;asciilifeform;funnily enuff not connected ! ( search idx adds 5% or so mass to db )
1844974;1535327697;asciilifeform;we're even still eating mats's key collection
1844975;1535327706;mircea_popescu;yeah. still, funny.
1844976;1535327732;asciilifeform;(but notenuff tmp space to fire werker on whole db atm)
1844977;1535327817;mod6;didja spec out the drives for an order from ben?
1844978;1535327821;mircea_popescu;in other sorta-news, the identity of the yellow fellow that i like so much here was finally established! it's a fly tyrant, the great kiskadee!
1844979;1535327866;mircea_popescu;pitangus sulphuratus! for truly he is sulphuric yellow.
1844980;1535327984;asciilifeform;mod6: it's in the pipe for this wk
1844981;1535327994;mod6;*thumbsup*
1844982;1535328011;*;asciilifeform bbl,meat
1844983;1535328024;mod6;laters
1844984;1535331474;BingoBoingo;!!up diana_away
1844985;1535331475;deedbot;diana_away voiced for 30 minutes.
1844986;1535333178;deedbot;http://blog.esthlos.com/esthlos-v-redux/ << esthlos - esthlos-v redux
1844987;1535335016;BingoBoingo;Aite, I have mp-wp unpacked, wp-config populated, what's the next step on mp-wp? I am not seeing it in any of the guides http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/06/mein-kompendium-mp-wp/ http://blog.esthlos.com/mp-wp-setup/
1844988;1535335574;mod6;ben_vulpes: ^ any thoughts here?
1844989;1535336836;trinque;!!balance
1844990;1535336842;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/q4q10/?raw=true
1844991;1535336862;trinque;^ wallet's back up, and I've sent all pending !!withdraw
1844992;1535336952;mod6;nice, thanks trinque
1844993;1535337053;trinque;sure thing
1844994;1535344249;BingoBoingo;!Q later tell nicoleci http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/8O0EO/?raw=true << Your wordpress login
1844995;1535344249;lobbesbot;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
1844996;1535344274;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Congratultions now she has more work to do!
1844997;1535344281;mircea_popescu;a nice.
1844998;1535344301;mircea_popescu;nicoleci log yourself in there! and start your blog!
1844999;1535344326;BingoBoingo;Apologies for the delay, I gave esthlos Vs some test drives
1845000;1535344327;mircea_popescu;i want to see summary of one log day EVERY day, no exceptions. plus whatever else you feel like putting up there.
1845001;1535344364;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo that's ok, i got her pretty well overwhelmed / drowning in tasks as a chronic condition.
1845002;1535344660;mod6;nice work BingoBoingo!
1845003;1535344775;mircea_popescu;in other imperial lulz, https://cymon.io/
1845004;1535344793;mircea_popescu;wordsal.ad ft.win!
1845005;1535345017;*;mod6 is out
1845006;1535345019;mod6;night!
1845007;1535345755;mircea_popescu;https://www.entrepreneur.com/brand-licensing-program << bwahahaha check out these schmucks! this takes the pompous bullshit cake, they're gonna "consider" you for "their brand" because entrepreneurship is hot bla bla bla.
1845008;1535345762;mircea_popescu;sometimes i wonder what must go on in these pea brains.
1845009;1535346022;BingoBoingo;Prolly just a little bit of refraction and corruption followed by almost-repetition
1845010;1535347468;mircea_popescu;and let's get this archived too : http://redditpromotion.com/ fucking priceless, dork looks EXACTLY like how you'd expect a dork who thinks "reddit is big!!!" would look.
1845011;1535351215;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-18#1842694 << i'd like to expand on this. 1) to dump a file, the better format is curl -Ls -o /dev/null -w %{url_effective} -X POST -F "pastebox=@file.asc" http://p.bvulpes.com -w %{url_effective} ; 2. to dump a pipe/process, the better format is eg item=`cat ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub | gpg --yes --no-tty --trust-model always -aer mod6`; echo $(curl -Ls -o /dev/null -w %{url_effective} -X POST -F "paste
1845012;1535351215;a111;Logged on 2018-08-18 14:20 mircea_popescu: in other news, to directly dump a file into pastebin : item=`cat file.txt`; echo $(curl -Ls -o /dev/null -w %{url_effective} -X POST -F "pastebox=$item" http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com -w %{url_effective})
1845013;1535351215;mircea_popescu;box=$item" http://p.bvulpes.com -w %{url_effective})
1845014;1535351242;mircea_popescu;1 gets around the limit on urlencoded puts ; 2 gets around the issues gpg has with command line.
1845015;1535351404;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes time to edit the front page so i don't have to search for these in logs ?
1845016;1535379237;mod6;mornin'
1845017;1535379326;mod6;thanks mircea_popescu!
1845018;1535383514;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz, "bussein hahamas".
1845019;1535383729;mod6;heheh
1845020;1535384253;mircea_popescu;>D
1845021;1535389655;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/pal-joey/ << Trilema - Pal Joey
1845022;1535394721;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/08/27/peso-watch-august-edition/ << Bingo Blog - Peso Watch August Edition
1845023;1535394792;mod6;thanks BingoBoingo
1845024;1535394811;mod6;I haven't even gotten a chance to start the books yet, but I hope to this week.
1845025;1535394860;BingoBoingo;You're welcome. Just look at how that Argentine peso spread is reacting to being near partity according to the places that only report averages.
1845026;1535394953;mod6;yeah, interesting
1845027;1535394987;BingoBoingo;Especially compared to the 1.10/1.8 to 1.1/1.9 spreads on new years day http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/01/01/asado-fuegos-y-feliz-a-new-year-in-montevideo/
1845028;1535395360;mod6;yeah, ive heard the arg peso, the brazil real, and turkish lira all took a bath with the EM chaos lately -- shitbuck had been rising... down now in recent days.
1845029;1535396311;BingoBoingo;Well, the Argentine pesos fall is a long one which mircea_popescu has helped along. I dunno enough Portuguese to comment on the real beyond Brasileros envying dollar, but especially Euros and Pounds because single units of those are worth more than single units of theirs.
1845030;1535396414;mircea_popescu;they're not as efficient as the chinese. they're trying to fight the production war, but ...
1845031;1535396415;mircea_popescu;it's hard.
1845032;1535396434;mircea_popescu;the turks an' brazilians i mean. the argentines... jesus fuck, they don't belong in any list of people.
1845033;1535396608;BingoBoingo;There's maybe a couple food items in this apartment which are "Industria Argentina" by way of transit through there, but a whole lot of "Made In Brasil"
1845034;1535396761;mircea_popescu;brasil is the germany of that continent.
1845035;1535396935;BingoBoingo;I dunno, prolly better than Germany. Less African
1845036;1535396978;mircea_popescu;and taller than mexican
1845037;1535396994;BingoBoingo;Agriculturally competent lookin from here... Mebbe more of a petite China?
1845038;1535397075;BingoBoingo;Except they really dun do electronics, but no one on this continent really does electronics yet
1845039;1535397099;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i suspect the mineral base aint there
1845040;1535397180;BingoBoingo;Brasil appears to have lots of mineral variety as evidence by having a gems industry, but hard to tell how that translates from my chair.
1845041;1535397251;mircea_popescu;nah, gems are a fool's ploy. metals is where it's at, and somehow the gods of metal decided only north hemisphere gets.
1845042;1535397394;mod6;I'm noticing that http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev is working better from where i sit.  I don't think that it has been moved over to the foundation's servers in .uy yet.
1845043;1535397404;mod6;Anyone else able to get there or having issues/
1845044;1535397478;BingoBoingo;I kinda figured gems might be a proxy indicating interesting clays for the strip mining, al la Africa. At one point there were metals here, but Inca helpfully collated them for the Spanish.
1845045;1535397809;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: metals & lanthanides
1845046;1535397842;asciilifeform;afaik south a -- dun have much in the way of either ( aside from possibly cu, but i suspect the latter has run through )
1845047;1535397922;mod6;Ladies and Gentlemen of TMSR~ : A regrind of Excise Hash Truncation & Call for Testers: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-August/000308.html
1845048;1535397949;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-27#1845042 << i can't connect, fullstop. currently even on diff isp, and same hang as before
1845049;1535397949;a111;Logged on 2018-08-27 19:16 mod6: I'm noticing that http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev is working better from where i sit.  I don't think that it has been moved over to the foundation's servers in .uy yet.
1845050;1535397977;asciilifeform;i have not been able to load the ml even once since supposedly fixed
1845051;1535397983;mod6;asciilifeform: ok thanks for trying.
1845052;1535398021;mod6;jurov is in the process of trying to set up either a mirror or the entire ML on 'stormy', one of the foundation's servers in .uy.
1845053;1535398028;mircea_popescu;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/utv26/?raw=true << asciilifeform i get it, if it helps ?
1845054;1535398103;asciilifeform;i get same
1845055;1535398106;asciilifeform;but cannot load http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev
1845056;1535398183;asciilifeform;pretty weird tho, e.g. http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-August/000308.html loads!
1845057;1535398191;asciilifeform;just not the main ml url
1845058;1535398219;mod6;huh.  well, jurov is working on it afaik.
1845059;1535398416;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i seem to recall nao that brazil is rich in monazite
1845060;1535398437;asciilifeform;so what gives. could, theoretically, have rare earths.
1845061;1535398448;mircea_popescu;problem is evidenrly a bad redirect (to itself)
1845062;1535398453;mircea_popescu;aaanyways ; me shall bbl.
1845063;1535398522;mod6;laters
1845064;1535399436;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/08/divided-western-church-turns-on-argentine-pope-over-child-molesting-forgiver-forgiveness/ << Qntra - Divided Western Church Turns On Argentine Pope Over Child Molesting Forgiver Forgiveness
1845065;1535412746;BingoBoingo;!!up xdeller
1845066;1535412747;deedbot;xdeller voiced for 30 minutes.
1845067;1535413598;mod6;power went out for about 2 hours. that was interesting
1845068;1535413615;BingoBoingo;Ah, always fun when that happens
1845069;1535415714;mircea_popescu;i hear thart's how they make kids.
1845070;1535415862;mod6;haha, basically
1845071;1535415869;mod6;shit else to do
1845072;1535417767;*;lobbes coming live from newly installed znc on pizarro rockchip
1845073;1535417845;lobbes;my vps on edis which housed my old znc has been mysteriously unreachable for 12 hours. Of course, cannot easily get in contact with them
1845074;1535417848;lobbes;!!balance
1845075;1535417854;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/8ATIb/?raw=true
1845076;1535418057;asciilifeform;congrats lobbes !
1845077;1535418101;lobbes;!Qlater tell mod6 plox to invoice me for a month of pizarro shared hosting
1845078;1535418101;lobbesbot;lobbes: The operation succeeded.
1845079;1535418339;lobbes;just gonna relocate znc and #eulora logz (which, too, were hosted with edis) to pizarro shared hosting and be done with it. Much rather deal with humans
1845080;1535418984;mod6;oh boy did I miss ya lobbes ?
1845081;1535418984;lobbesbot;mod6: Sent 14 minutes ago: <lobbes> plox to invoice me for a month of pizarro shared hosting
1845082;1535418991;*;mod6 looks
1845083;1535419132;mod6;lobbes: that's weird, I don't even have you in the notes as being a shared customer
1845084;1535419148;mod6;i've gotta go look up when the last time you were invoiced was.
1845085;1535419252;mod6;Apparently you were invoiced at least once in March of '18 for shared hosting, it was prorated: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-27#1789906
1845086;1535419252;a111;Logged on 2018-03-27 05:47 ben_vulpes: !!invoice lobbes .00067742 pro-rated march shared hosting
1845087;1535419326;mod6;did you ever receive anymore invoices other than that?
1845088;1535419342;mod6;ben_vulpes: can you help on this ^
1845089;1535419674;mod6;ben_vulpes BingoBoingo asciilifeform : Our pricing on our website makes no sense for the record.
1845090;1535419744;mod6;on the "shared hosting" page we say that: "Plans Available on UY1 Include: FTP Basic Account 0.001 BTC/mo; Hosted Shell Account: 0.0015 BTC/mo.; Hosted Shell Plus: 0.002 BTC/mo"
1845091;1535419775;mod6;And on the "Colocation and Rates" it says "Shared Hosting: 0.003 BTC/mo"
1845092;1535419826;mod6;am I to understand that you only get apache & mysql service for 0.003 then, and the others are just ~simply~ FTP and shell access?
1845093;1535419839;mod6;We aught to think about making that more clear.
1845094;1535419922;mod6;For instance, I believe we should take the "Shared Hosting: 0.003 BTC/mo" off of the Colocation and Rates page, and place it below the FTP and Shell Account info on the "Shared Hosting" page.
1845095;1535419927;mod6;all in one spot. much more clear.
1845096;1535419996;mod6;lobbes: anyway, I apologize.  I'll invoice you now for August.
1845097;1535420038;mod6;!!invoice lobbes 0.003 Shared Hosting through August 2018
1845098;1535420043;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Eauux/?raw=true
1845099;1535420246;mod6;!!v 907532BB69A074B4017E97F52920CFC941D612DB4DE9BF7C00DD9654EF9965F9
1845100;1535420250;deedbot;Invoiced lobbes 0.003 << Shared Hosting through August 2018
1845101;1535421025;ben_vulpes;mod6: the last rev of your notes says that he's paid up through october 2018
1845102;1535421245;mod6;yeah, that's for the rockchip he has.
1845103;1535421318;mod6;should be this: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-27#1837894
1845104;1535421318;a111;Logged on 2018-07-27 04:13 mod6: !!invoice lobbes 0.03308823 Rockchip invoice for 3 months of service, through October 31st, 2018
1845105;1535421407;ben_vulpes;oh this is for shared hosting, my mistake.
1845106;1535421413;ben_vulpes;iirc he let the hosting account lapse.
1845107;1535421420;mod6;oh.
1845108;1535421556;mod6;Yeah, looks like he hasn't logged in since April 23rd.
1845109;1535421606;mod6;lobbes: Are you currently using the hosting, or are you looking to get set back up going forward?  And if so, great!  Do you want just a shell account or do you want wp-mp too?
1845110;1535421620;mod6;(I may have to cancel that invoice I sent ya just a minute ago.)
1845111;1535421625;mod6;nbd
1845112;1535422069;lobbes;mod6, ben_vulpes: ah whoops. I did not mean to cause confusion. I meant: can I re-sign up for a new slice of shared hosting
1845113;1535422092;lobbes;everything's kosher re: past shared hosting services
1845114;1535422142;lobbes;I just suddenly have a need again for it
1845115;1535422176;BingoBoingo;!!v 2924B0F040D29BB74B80DDFFFF6E202EA769A1620846B39591203B76E2E01558
1845116;1535422180;deedbot;BingoBoingo paid mod6 invoice 1
1845117;1535422399;lobbes;also I won't need mp-wp on it. just an ssh hole will suffice for my needs
1845118;1535422400;mod6;lobbes: ah, ok!  sorry, I was way confused because I saw that you had a current shell still in UY1.
1845119;1535422411;mod6;And in my notes, you weren't currently being billed.
1845120;1535422446;lobbes;oya, I could see myself doing a double-take in the same situation
1845121;1535422459;mod6;lobbes: ok sounds good, do not pay that invoice.
1845122;1535422473;lobbes;roger that
1845123;1535422475;mod6;Do you want 5Gb or 10Gb of storage?
1845124;1535422501;mod6;5Gb = 0.0015 BTC/mo, 10Gb = 0.002 BTC/mo
1845125;1535422508;lobbes;I'll do the 10gb
1845126;1535422567;mod6;alright Sir, sounds good.  Gimme a bit, i'll make a new invoice for ya.
1845127;1535422599;lobbes;ty sir. No mega-rush. I'll bbl later tonight anyways
1845128;1535422603;mod6;Ok qq.  Do you want me to just prorate the rest of august + all of september for ya then?
1845129;1535422636;mod6;!Qcalc (0.002/31)
1845130;1535422636;lobbesbot;mod6: 6.45161290323e-05
1845131;1535422672;mod6;!Qcalc ((0.002/31)*3)+0.002
1845132;1535422672;lobbesbot;mod6: 0.0021935483871
1845133;1535422696;mod6;0.00219354 BTC for your shell then through Sepetember 30th
1845134;1535422701;mod6;sound good?
1845135;1535423213;lobbes;mod6, sounds good
1845136;1535423670;mod6;ben_vulpes brings up a good point about my regrind of his Excise Hash Truncation vpatch, I should put in the manifest.
1845137;1535423711;mod6;We've talked about this before, and I may just do that yet.  Will think it over and report back.
1845138;1535424339;mod6;!!cancel-invoice lobbes 2
1845139;1535424345;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/vOARN/?raw=true
1845140;1535424483;mod6;!!v 2371EEE0F3BE3BD6417272D9028FE8C05F2D94E3F2D493A781FAB8BC8AB8BA3A
1845141;1535424486;deedbot;mod6 canceled lobbes invoice 2
1845142;1535424525;mod6;!!invoice lobbes 0.00219354 Shared-Shell Hosting 10Gb Storage through September 30th, 2018
1845143;1535424529;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/NAQOt/?raw=true
1845144;1535424685;mod6;!!v DF444151D33EFDE153BC5966765568491C2AFD2A9A08D715CC772940586755BE
1845145;1535424688;deedbot;Invoiced lobbes 0.00219354 << Shared-Shell Hosting 10Gb Storage through September 30th, 2018
1845146;1535424710;mod6;!!sent-invoices
1845147;1535424714;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/zx5u3/?raw=true
1845148;1535424718;mod6;!!ledger
1845149;1535424722;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/zLwOj/?raw=true
1845150;1535424902;mod6;thanks BingoBoingo!
1845151;1535433167;lobbes;!!v 4345293315608C817B41C1049F5A70709BEAD1E5431E3F65493505F3E70D47B4
1845152;1535433171;deedbot;lobbes paid mod6 invoice 3
1845153;1535437379;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/epiphitos/ << Trilema - Epiphitos
1845154;1535439676;mircea_popescu;sooo, in eulora epic win, i got a 60.971 mn pop on polished small stones, at 7:11:58 local time ; and then a 3.043 mn pop on boulders, at 7:12:36. GO ME!
1845155;1535467510;mod6;mornin'
1845156;1535470651;mircea_popescu;how goes mod6
1845157;1535470696;mircea_popescu;in other lulz : http://loc.gov/pictures/resource/cph.3c35469/ check out the pics they got in the background lel.
1845158;1535471578;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: wasn't that the d00d who 'knew too much' re kennedy ?
1845159;1535471622;mircea_popescu;arguably. chicago outfit dood, iirc there was a conspiraci theory re "they did kennedy"
1845160;1535471871;BingoBoingo;At least we know Señor Glioblastoma got other Kennedy
1845161;1535471940;mircea_popescu;nah, there was a brother also shot, robert or something
1845162;1535471981;BingoBoingo;Ah yeah, that Kennedy's kid is one of those AL Gore enviroweirds now
1845163;1535472131;mod6;mircea_popescu: mornin! good, you?
1845164;1535472145;mircea_popescu;not bad at all
1845165;1535472199;mircea_popescu;say trinque can add http://bimbo.club/?feed=rss2 ? so i see how much beating bimbo needs on this count.
1845166;1535472763;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform anyway, more importantly, and better documentedly, he's the guy who forced inept jew (cohen) to sign mob girl marylin for a 3 year contract
1845167;1535472790;mircea_popescu;thereby bringing some actual value and some actual importance to the shithead "mainstream" movie business. which is ~the mob's contribution in that field.
1845168;1535472808;mircea_popescu;they got hauled off for "racketeering", but what they actually did was make hollywood vomit watchable.
1845169;1535472969;asciilifeform;holyfuq a 2nd log summary thing
1845170;1535473011;*;asciilifeform looks, so far not impressed, it's verbatim chunk lifting
1845171;1535473363;mod6;oh hey cool!
1845172;1535473368;mod6;bimbo.club is live
1845173;1535473380;mod6;Shall I invoice you later Mr. Popescu?
1845174;1535473394;mod6;0.003 btc/mo is the rate on that.
1845175;1535473418;mod6;!Qcalc (0.003/31)*3
1845176;1535473418;lobbesbot;mod6: 0.000290322580645
1845177;1535473436;mod6;!Qcalc ((0.003/31)*3)+.003
1845178;1535473437;lobbesbot;mod6: 0.00329032258065
1845179;1535473464;mod6;This would be the quote through the 30th of september: 0.00329032 BTC
1845180;1535473508;asciilifeform;meanwhile, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/abs_qa-minus-qb.gif << warning: 5 MB !
1845181;1535473513;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu , Mocky , et al ^
1845182;1535473572;asciilifeform;1024 frames.
1845183;1535473601;asciilifeform;viewport (i.e. 1..Na x 1..Nb ) is 256x256.
1845184;1535473686;Mocky;wow, full lolcat
1845185;1535473706;asciilifeform;Mocky: there sadly cannot be a 'full' lolcat, all possible ones are finite slices
1845186;1535473720;asciilifeform;but possibly shows interesting pattern to folx with 'third eye'
1845187;1535474019;mircea_popescu;mod6 gto ahead
1845188;1535474031;mircea_popescu;mod6 can i have for rest of year ?
1845189;1535475008;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i just got ~120k of pss and it was mixed just fine, so i guess bot will need slightly larger table :D
1845190;1535475100;mircea_popescu;also, a) gotta start somewhere ; b) she's not working to impress you, she's working to impress me, meaning your only productive stance is "not like that, like ~this~" rather than "your work doesn't make the cut".
1845191;1535475138;asciilifeform;i actually have nfi, it could be that this is exactly what mircea_popescu asked .
1845192;1535475155;asciilifeform;but it does seem to consist of undigester matter.
1845193;1535475157;mod6;mircea_popescu: surely, lemme see what the pricing will be on that.
1845194;1535475157;mircea_popescu;but i never do ; i always ask for vague things and then squeeze people with them.
1845195;1535475162;asciilifeform;*undigested
1845196;1535475194;mircea_popescu;well, i can't imagine how she'd have gotten a single enzyme yet.
1845197;1535475210;BingoBoingo;Takes adaptation
1845198;1535475222;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: re the gif -- it isn't a full table by any means, only illustration of the arithmetical oddities at work
1845199;1535475231;mircea_popescu;yee
1845200;1535475539;Mocky;I find gif quite interesting, I would not have thought to do that
1845201;1535475627;mircea_popescu;part and parcel of ye olde http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-23#1689615 and so on discussion.
1845202;1535475627;a111;Logged on 2017-07-23 19:38 mircea_popescu: (for the record -- while i do believe that IA (as opposed to ai bullcrap) is both perfectly achievable, in many ways achieved, and the ~only reasonable use of the machine in the first place ; i nevertheless think the problem is catastrophically ill posed in the "you know, like bullzoder" sense. yes there was such an application for digital computers, it is called "the numeric method" and still not widely deployed notwithstand
1845203;1535475689;asciilifeform;Mocky: really it wants to be a ~cube~ , x:Na, y:Nb, z:|Qa-Qb|, 1 if solution, 0 if not. but there isn't a satisfying way to draw this. so stuck with lolcat.gif
1845204;1535475715;mod6;!Qcalc ((0.003/31)*3)+(0.003*12)
1845205;1535475715;lobbesbot;mod6: 0.0362903225806
1845206;1535475730;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i thought lips permitted one to produce rotate-able cubes as a thing ? hm ? HM ?
1845207;1535475758;*;mircea_popescu would very much like an alt-"imageviewer" which could take 3d item and properly turn/scale.
1845208;1535475788;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: rotateable, sure, but not transparent-and-somehow-usefully-opaque
1845209;1535475800;mircea_popescu;mod6 not a full year hence ; rest of the year. that's 4 months and change.
1845210;1535475806;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform why not ?
1845211;1535475823;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: cuz it's a discontinuous function.
1845212;1535475845;asciilifeform;i fiddled with 'cube' for a bit, so far pretty ugly. might post later.
1845213;1535475899;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/eulora-as-seen-by-mircescu/ << gnuplot managed 2d reasonably well. where's my 3d ?
1845214;1535475955;mircea_popescu;and in general why is any and all 3d so fugly ? we know for a fact this can be done well, solved problem on the 386 ffs, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-02#1762623
1845215;1535475955;a111;Logged on 2018-01-02 18:35 mircea_popescu: http://www.freegameempire.com/Img/Cache/Games/Blockout/Screenshot-2.png < item
1845216;1535476088;asciilifeform;if you wanted to display , somehow, legibly, a ~full~ welltris well -- this is not only not solved problem on 386, but not really imho solvable, on 2d screen
1845217;1535476119;mircea_popescu;aaand why not ?
1845218;1535476134;asciilifeform;outers get in the way of inners ?
1845219;1535476146;asciilifeform;is there something mircea_popescu knows about 3space that i dun know...
1845220;1535476202;mircea_popescu;the problem is this : given a flatfile of datapoints, convert that into 3d representation, that can be rotated, zoomed, shaved ; that is already colored correctly (meaning, as human would like it to be) and whose shaving and presentation can be scripted well (arbitrary and undefined well).
1845221;1535476225;asciilifeform;aa so not static pic ? moar doable
1845222;1535476237;mircea_popescu;absolutely not static. blockout was not static either.
1845223;1535476251;asciilifeform;i have one of these even nao. ( nao how to put it in a www-able form... )
1845224;1535476257;mircea_popescu;and "shave off one visible layer" is 1 keypress.
1845225;1535476263;asciilifeform;right, this is what i got
1845226;1535476284;mircea_popescu;yes, well... this gotta be a standard. not fucking "video conferencing". that's not 3d, that's dumb-d.
1845227;1535476305;mircea_popescu;and much like in the way of blogs, i want states of display ~linkable as such~.
1845228;1535476312;asciilifeform;aha!
1845229;1535476327;asciilifeform;but instead we get 'html5' nonsense
1845230;1535476345;mircea_popescu;none of this bs "link an article at a time". you either give me proper select linkage or you get archive.is linked instead. that sort of thing.
1845231;1535476355;asciilifeform;'yeah i totally want to transmit a MB of <><<>><<><><<<<><><><>>>< for erry 10 of text'
1845232;1535476393;*;mircea_popescu shall bbs.
1845233;1535476500;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: a la http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-20#1842981
1845234;1535476500;a111;Logged on 2018-08-20 17:14 asciilifeform: troo hyper-document oughta contain snapshots of all linkage. ( sure if external entity updates, viewer can be offered later ver, at ~his~ discretion. but oughta preserve linked material at time of linkage, the era of 'disk costs too much to store human text' went long ago)
1845235;1535476559;asciilifeform;the current crock of shit soup 'html' is ~fractally wrong~ however -- if you strip away any particular piece of idjicy from it, you get nowhere. whole thing must die.
1845236;1535476944;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/08/usg-butthurt-china-wont-share-samples-of-h7n9-flu-virus/ << Qntra - USG Butthurt China Won't Share Samples Of H7N9 Flu Virus
1845237;1535477400;*;mod6 catches back up
1845238;1535477547;mod6;!Qcalc ((0.003/31)*3)+(0.003*4)
1845239;1535477547;lobbesbot;mod6: 0.0122903225806
1845240;1535477603;mod6;mircea_popescu: this would be the quote through December 31st, 2018 ^
1845241;1535477610;mod6;brb, f00dz
1845242;1535483199;asciilifeform;!!up elsker
1845243;1535483200;deedbot;elsker voiced for 30 minutes.
1845244;1535483205;asciilifeform;elsker: hello ?
1845245;1535483208;elsker;Hiya.
1845246;1535483215;asciilifeform;elsker: who might you be ?
1845247;1535483243;elsker;Nobody you know. I just happed upon this place.
1845248;1535483778;asciilifeform;!!down elsker
1845249;1535483794;asciilifeform;that was plenty of time, imho, to say something meaningful
1845250;1535483802;asciilifeform;come to think of it, i dun recall ~one~ instance where a
1845251;1535483816;asciilifeform;'i won't read logs, so i'll remora in chan' d00d, ever turned into a person.
1845252;1535488154;mod6;before we throw anyone out the door, maybe ask them if they want service?
1845253;1535488195;mod6;i.e. shell/rockchip, anything.  having Pizarro linked to peeps in the wot is hard-enough, but if we can't get anyone in the wot, than that's worse.
1845254;1535488299;asciilifeform;mod6: d00d was not 'thrown out' of the door, he could not bring himself to walk in to begin with
1845255;1535488338;mod6;pitch 'em, before you pitch 'em.
1845256;1535488369;mod6;"You want Rockchip?" "No." "Ok, fuck your mother."
1845257;1535488396;asciilifeform;i'ma do them exactly like-so, from nao on
1845258;1535488406;mod6;perfect.
1845259;1535494831;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-28#1845236 << that china won't share because usg criminal org well known stockpiler/producer/daydreamer of "bioweapon" entirely not mentioned by self-same criminal org's own agitprop machine.
1845260;1535494831;a111;Logged on 2018-08-28 17:22 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/08/usg-butthurt-china-wont-share-samples-of-h7n9-flu-virus/ << Qntra - USG Butthurt China Won't Share Samples Of H7N9 Flu Virus
1845261;1535494877;mircea_popescu;o wait, that's exactly what editor says. nice BingoBoingo
1845262;1535494905;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-28#1845240 << alrighty.
1845263;1535494905;a111;Logged on 2018-08-28 17:33 mod6: mircea_popescu: this would be the quote through December 31st, 2018 ^
1845264;1535494912;mircea_popescu;!!pay mod6 0.01229032
1845265;1535494919;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/5xfXJ/?raw=true
1845266;1535495039;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-28#1845253 << the plan was never "limit sales to people in wot". that's both stupid. and self-defeating. the plan always was http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-15#1813544
1845267;1535495039;a111;Logged on 2018-08-28 20:29 mod6: i.e. shell/rockchip, anything.  having Pizarro linked to peeps in the wot is hard-enough, but if we can't get anyone in the wot, than that's worse.
1845268;1535495039;a111;Logged on 2018-05-15 15:05 mircea_popescu: but you will have hell on wheel in your hands trying to get more money as a palliative solution to "i don't feel like building sales today".
1845269;1535495083;mircea_popescu;"the wot", especially in the sense used here (cream of the crop, people rated well by lords etc) cant possibly ALSO be the grease trap of everyone's everything.
1845270;1535495135;mircea_popescu;the whole fucking point is for pizarro is to do the exact thing shinohai ineptly didn't do for the length of his tenure -- convert the innocent among the zek to republic.
1845271;1535495177;mircea_popescu;just like the whole fucking point of having danielpbarron as EPT was so that he gets people in, for his own self fucking interest, rather than sit about. just how all the point of ALL these functions ever is : don't sit about going "oh, i have function x, see, this paper says so"
1845272;1535495206;mircea_popescu;paper ain't worth the bit it's printed on, if the function it supposedly describes is dead in the water.
1845273;1535495243;mircea_popescu;and no, if you haven't talked to EVERY SINGLE LAST STRIPPER, EVERYWHERE, from strippers.com to webcams.shit to reddit.etc, you have not done the job of "baron titsbare".
1845274;1535495265;mircea_popescu;and i do mean ~every single last one~. i talk to every single chick on fetlife, meaning EVERY SINGLE ONE. that's the job of existence. nothing else passes muster.
1845275;1535495282;mircea_popescu;and similarly, if you';ve not talked to every single "webmaster" tard or whatever currently in existence, you've not done the job.
1845276;1535495298;mircea_popescu;and so on and so forth. god gave us computers so we use them, not for any other purpose.
1845277;1535495357;mircea_popescu;Talk.To.Everybody.
1845278;1535495360;mircea_popescu;Do.Everything.
1845279;1535495406;mircea_popescu;that's what it is. we can, and by god we shall because we fucking must ; and if we shan't we have no business here and either someone else will or, i guess, nobody will. in either case -- what has to be done stays what it is, rather than what it'd comfortably be or we could argue it rather should be or w/e.
1845280;1535495851;mircea_popescu;when phuctor came about, we spent a short while with the whole "oh, whoever wants can put in his key" and a comparatively much longer whole with the "will get all keys in existence not asking anyone anything". this is an important lesson, and it is 20-fucking-14 or some shit.
1845281;1535495912;mircea_popescu;if phuctor stayed forever in the "oh, if someone wants to... he could..." bla bla, we'd still have nothing there, and presumably be very happy with it, too. god knows kanzure amstan whatever other tard in the circus has nothing for their decade+, and are VERY happy with the state of affairs.
1845282;1535496032;mircea_popescu;zx2c4 is still "writing painstaking careful code and giving it to the world for free", darwin fish is still http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-16#1800306 and will until the day he dies, what, "i'm glad we gave out some posters at $derpcon".
1845283;1535496032;a111;Logged on 2018-04-16 19:09 mircea_popescu: 3. darwin fish spent a decade, up until macarthur was ~50, in that church (after some other wrangling, mormons, whatever). then suddenly, as he himself reached 30, there was a major "time for my own church" moment. except, of course, nobody gave HIM the bn-dollar moneymaker. any they even told him why : he's way the fuck too cool for it, or as joe pesci put it, "that was the last fucking time...."
1845284;1535496051;mircea_popescu;the door for the people who're looking to NOT do things is down the hall. this is the door for the people looking to actually do things.
1845285;1535496837;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> o wait, that's exactly what editor says. nice BingoBoingo << The point was obvious enough to be unavoidable
1845286;1535497441;mod6;mircea_popescu: hey, sorry about that quote.  I never did get to invoice you as I was hoping to do that tonight.
1845287;1535497452;mircea_popescu;what, it's not right amt ?
1845288;1535497461;mod6;aside from that there is a on-going debate about the pricing for the service.
1845289;1535497466;mircea_popescu;oh.
1845290;1535497471;mod6;well, I think it ~might~ be.
1845291;1535497474;mircea_popescu;well ok, haven't !!v'd it yet, get back to me.
1845292;1535497498;mod6;ok, yeah, will try to resolve all of it here tonight.  #pizarro has the details of the debate.
1845293;1535497790;mod6;Anyway, mircea_popescu, agree with your sentiments here.  I just hate to see us slam the door in peoples face without even asking.
1845294;1535497811;mod6;But maybe that's the right approach.  I dunno.
1845295;1535497828;mod6;I gotta do a few things here, but I'll be back to sort the rest of the pricing fiasco out.
1845296;1535497853;mircea_popescu;sure, in principle. but different doors, the set of considerations for "can be in #trilema" can't possibly include "pizarro might want to sell him something". it's like proposing people wandering into the white house shouldn't be kicked out because what if obama wants to give them a shoeshine ?
1845297;1535497981;mod6;*nod* totally fair point.
1845298;1535498078;mircea_popescu;that's all i'm saying, not that pizarro's no good or anything in the vein, but that the flow flows like it flows. republic mgiht pick some people from pizarro rooster for enoblement, not pizarro might pick some people from lordship for making a sale.
1845299;1535498191;mircea_popescu;mocky ended up here, as a recent example, but started off with http://logs.bvulpes.com/eulora?d=2018-4-28#345101 months ago.
1845300;1535498191;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-04-28 12:32 Mocky: I read an article about eulora being a bitcoin mmo. I'm wondering if it's actually a thing.
1845301;1535498207;mircea_popescu;i'd love nothing more than a bunch of these from logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro !
1845302;1535498241;mircea_popescu;and, i'm sure, so would you.
1845303;1535498379;mircea_popescu;but i'm also sure our funels are slack by that sure and unerring sign, that noobs wander in ~here~. it's 1000% easier to get someone interested in "bicoin mmo" than in terrorist organisation ; and maybe 5000% easier to get them interested in "clean reliable hosting". so if in spite of that immense differential #trilema still beats out #pizarro, it means the pizarro funel works at 0.2% efficiency at the very most. which can't
1845304;1535498379;mircea_popescu;be ok.
1845305;1535498450;mircea_popescu;management in the end very much like medicine : if person leaks from the belly upon taking a drink of water, odds are person's belly got an extra hole. if urine is sweet were should be salty, odds are too much sweets somewhere. etcetera.
1845306;1535499090;mircea_popescu;and so, if upon seeing noob in #trilema person thinks "hey, this might've been someone interested in #pizarro", what person is really thinking is "shit, we're doing a terrible job of communicating #pizarro". because in any other case, they should've known ~already~ whether wanderer is or isn't interested.
1845307;1535499125;mircea_popescu;just like average hottie doesn't go "but tell me, have you noticed my tits" for 3rd date conversation -- sure as fuck if you've made it three dates he did notice the tits, yes.
1845308;1535499166;mircea_popescu;salient feature, so to speak.
1845309;1535501840;mod6;totally get it, Sir.
1845310;1535502227;mircea_popescu;*thumbsup*
1845311;1535502416;mod6;Here's a pic for ya mircea_popescu : http://www.mod6.net/2018/August/28/20180828_191227.jpg
1845312;1535502432;mircea_popescu;meanwhile teh empire is trying, of course, and they're doing it in their usual inept, ineffectual, "she can't say i'm not comfortable" way : http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-26#1844799 . of course.
1845313;1535502432;a111;Logged on 2018-08-26 16:43 mircea_popescu: https://softserve.8ch.net/static/stim/c6feb79297b74e138bead1118e8afd13.png << meanwhile in lulz.
1845314;1535502447;mircea_popescu;back when ~we~ did it, it was you know, http://btcbase.org/log/2015-05-13#1130264 and all that. remember ?
1845315;1535502447;a111;Logged on 2015-05-13 06:10 mircea_popescu: cazalla hey, wanna make a list of trilema articles that fit with 8chan ? and qntra idem.
1845316;1535502470;mircea_popescu;mod6 ahaha wtf is that!
1845317;1535502496;mod6;:D had those made custom
1845318;1535502509;mircea_popescu;check it out asciilifeform ; he's working towards a new kbd standard.
1845319;1535502528;mircea_popescu;mod6 how much does it cost ?
1845320;1535502592;mod6;Not too bad... 5 for 21.25 + shipping.
1845321;1535502613;mod6;Were bascilly shipped within 24 hours of order, to my surprise.
1845322;1535502701;mircea_popescu;maybe we should have a log histogram done and then create a "unicode log keyboard". top 102 words get to go on the keys.
1845323;1535502721;mod6;hah, that would be pretty cool imho.
1845324;1535502790;mod6;Alright, I'm gonna get back to work here.  Will update you all here on this pricing info.
1845325;1535502943;mod6;!Qcalc ((0.002/31)*3)+(0.002*4)
1845326;1535502943;lobbesbot;mod6: 0.0081935483871
1845327;1535503001;mod6;!Qcalc ((0.002/31)*3)+.002
1845328;1535503001;lobbesbot;mod6: 0.0021935483871
1845329;1535503169;asciilifeform;mod6: lol i have buncha martian keys also, but with handprinted paper faces
1845330;1535503271;mod6;:]
1845331;1535503317;mod6;Thought you guys might like these.  I'll throw up a blog post with the specs and stuff if there is interest.
1845332;1535503366;mircea_popescu;so basically i'm getting a... discount ?
1845333;1535503433;mod6;That's the thought, yeah.  I think a while ago ben_vulpes knocked the price down a bit to make it more appleaing. ( ben_vulpes, plz to correct me if I'm wrong here ).  And I didn't know that this had happened.
1845334;1535503483;mod6;I was still referring to our website for the pricing, and we had not removed that line item from the page.  So where I thought it was 0.003 BTC per month, I perhaps should have been charging 0.002.
1845335;1535503536;mircea_popescu;alright, so do i pay or doyou wanrt to invoice ?
1845336;1535503587;mod6;I'm gonna invoice as soon as I have confirmation.  I apologize.  I just wanna make sure it's right before I do; measure twice, cut once.
1845337;1535503633;mod6;But yeah, invoice is coming, so you can come back to it when you have time.  No need to wait around for me to get it figured out tonight.
1845338;1535503699;mircea_popescu;kk
1845339;1535504892;mod6;Ok so that is what it's going to be; 0.002 BTC/mo for the shared hosting with the web and mysql + 10 Gb storage
1845340;1535505012;mod6;!!invoice mircea_popescu 0.00819354 Pizarro Shared Hosting for bimbo.club through December 31st, 2018
1845341;1535505017;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/6dwpl/?raw=true
1845342;1535505027;mod6;!!sent-invoices
1845343;1535505031;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/aE8Qs/?raw=true
1845344;1535505362;mod6;lobbes: Ok your invoice was 100% spot on.  So you're good to go.
1845345;1535505395;mod6;trinque: your August invoice is incorrect, and I'll cancel the one currently open and give you the 0.002 price.
1845346;1535505410;mod6;hang tight
1845347;1535505531;BingoBoingo;In other things... the grocery savings that enlistment promises here http://cantinasmilitares.mil.uy/
1845348;1535506371;mod6;!!cancel-invoice trinque 4
1845349;1535506376;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/yk9Ku/?raw=true
1845350;1535506607;mod6;!!v 0AA97C391ED601E6E8EA6602CFA2C5AD91C69ACA79D3BB79A36A27744AD715EA
1845351;1535506611;deedbot;Invoiced mircea_popescu 0.00819354 << Pizarro Shared Hosting for bimbo.club through December 31st, 2018
1845352;1535506632;mod6;!!v AE788D78152F0029C2AD9ED9DA47118C84BF12F1E888CC6A8DDBB306F998376A
1845353;1535506635;deedbot;mod6 canceled trinque invoice 4
1845354;1535506745;mod6;That invoice (#4) was from this trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-04#1839357
1845355;1535506745;a111;Logged on 2018-08-04 04:38 mod6: !Qcalc (141.70/7454.54)+0.003
1845356;1535506766;mod6;So now, we simply adjust the Shared Shell component.
1845357;1535506787;mod6;!Qcalc (141.70/7454.54)+0.002
1845358;1535506788;lobbesbot;mod6: 0.0210085504941
1845359;1535506943;mod6;!!invoice trinque 0.02100855 Pizarro Invoice for Colocation Service and Shared Shell through August 31st, 2018
1845360;1535506947;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/aAfKa/?raw=true
1845361;1535507290;mod6;!!v 75594E2897E8568158B52428D4638D0C5846DDCF53E054B50DCE28A2580EE14B
1845362;1535507293;deedbot;Invoiced trinque 0.02100855 << Pizarro Invoice for Colocation Service and Shared Shell through August 31st, 2018
1845363;1535507310;mod6;!!sent-invoices
1845364;1535507314;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/70s7p/?raw=true
1845365;1535507790;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/08/paraguay-national-police-find-42-battle-rifles-swapped-for-replicas/ << Qntra - Paraguay National Police Find 42 Battle Rifles Swapped For Replicas
1845366;1535509074;trinque;mod6: were the previous ones incorrect as well?
1845367;1535509142;mod6;see #trilema
1845368;1535509147;mod6;bah, #pizarro
1845369;1535509191;trinque;k
1845370;1535509191;BingoBoingo;trinque: Our shared hosting commercial copy was inconsistent across pages
1845371;1535509409;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2018/the-miracle-of-the-bells/ << Trilema - The Miracle Of The Bells
1845372;1535510246;deedbot;http://bimbo.club/?p=1 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR log summary - 08/26/2018
1845373;1535510246;deedbot;http://bimbo.club/?p=3 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR log summary - 08/27/2018
1845374;1535510246;deedbot;http://bimbo.club/?p=4 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR log summary - 08/28/2018
1845375;1535510283;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-28#1845165 << ^ no problemo!
1845376;1535510283;a111;Logged on 2018-08-28 16:03 mircea_popescu: say trinque can add http://bimbo.club/?feed=rss2 ? so i see how much beating bimbo needs on this count.
1845377;1535510355;hanbot;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-29#1845365 << hahaha, but how many *police officers* were replaced with replicas?!
1845378;1535510355;a111;Logged on 2018-08-29 01:56 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/08/paraguay-national-police-find-42-battle-rifles-swapped-for-replicas/ << Qntra - Paraguay National Police Find 42 Battle Rifles Swapped For Replicas
1845379;1535510709;BingoBoingo;<deedbot> http://bimbo.club/?p=4 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR log summary - 08/28/2018 << comment awaiting moderation
1845380;1535510832;BingoBoingo;ANd for the curious "fusilier" is how the Brasileros translate rifleman
1845381;1535511870;mats;ha, a bent quartermaster
1845382;1535511940;mats;oh nvm, says cop
1845383;1535512208;mircea_popescu;lmao hanbot
1845384;1535512691;BingoBoingo;<hanbot> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-29#1845365 << hahaha, but how many *police officers* were replaced with replicas?! << It's Paraguay, they were prolly sent to the front lines in Mato Grosso to fight the Emperor of the Brasileros with their clubs.
1845385;1535512691;a111;Logged on 2018-08-29 01:56 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/08/paraguay-national-police-find-42-battle-rifles-swapped-for-replicas/ << Qntra - Paraguay National Police Find 42 Battle Rifles Swapped For Replicas
1845386;1535516576;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/08/california-ends-cash-bail-consigning-all-to-merciless-rubric/ << Qntra - California Ends Cash Bail Consigning All To Merciless Rubric
1845387;1535516681;BingoBoingo;^ Relatedly the California Health Department abolished "vagina" in favor of "front hole" while they further replaced "vulva" and "penis" with the now official in California term "parts"
1845388;1535516719;BingoBoingo;Por favor, digalo donde hay dolor!
1845389;1535517242;lobbes;mod6: ack
1845390;1535518967;mircea_popescu;front hole lmao
1845391;1535519000;mircea_popescu;vagina ain't the fucking vaginal opening. it's not a hole anymore the colon's a hole.
1845392;1535553517;mod6;mornin'
1845393;1535557433;mircea_popescu;o hey there diana_coman !
1845394;1535557461;asciilifeform;ohai mircea_popescu et al
1845395;1535557481;mircea_popescu;hello last fellow to have not seen ocelots.
1845396;1535557497;asciilifeform;possibly next-to-last, iirc BingoBoingo not found ocelot yet
1845397;1535557519;asciilifeform;tho i suspect he is closer to converging onto ocelot
1845398;1535557527;mircea_popescu;didn't he have a purruana ?
1845399;1535557542;asciilifeform;i picture her as gigantic guinea pig..
1845400;1535557550;mircea_popescu;ahahaha
1845401;1535557583;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i sell reconditioned tommyguns, cheap.
1845402;1535557767;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in web lulz, https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%22netsoltrademark%22
1845403;1535557862;mircea_popescu;(inspired by http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/n8dEh/?raw=true ; and let's welcome indian-bois-code to the 1990s superinformational public defecation highway!)
1845404;1535558025;mircea_popescu;o look at that, they don't even manage to do it themselves! outsourced to russki tech support ( https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrew-azarov-6949903a here), JUST LIKE FIFTY YEARS AGO! holy shit india fails at lyfe.
1845405;1535558061;asciilifeform;who was 'they'
1845406;1535558184;mircea_popescu;whoever the fuck is trying to sell "Indian Sex Mms Free Download. Xxx Madhuri Video. Porn Sex India Video.  Indian Schoolgirl Sex Tube" etc.
1845407;1535558243;mircea_popescu;meanwhile back @civilisation, https://78.media.tumblr.com/1f904d46d1f0b1dac4b936f3420350d7/tumblr_o622p9p1r01rlzk17o1_500.gif (because, of course, http://trilema.com/2018/vote-hilary-2020/ ; as ye olde romanian proverb goes, "for every hottie at the bar there's some dude somewhere sick and tired of her dumb ass" )
1845408;1535558533;mircea_popescu;(ah, note also the greedily opening butthole. this happens, in girls that regularily take it up the ass, because sexuality, as a subjective psychological construct, as well as sexual function, as a matter of physiology, are both TRAINED BEHAVIOURS, and absolutely nothing else ; certainly not some kind of "path to truth" or "deeply genuine and unfalsifiable expression of the self" or any of that 1900s "reformist" protestant ov
1845409;1535558533;mircea_popescu;erexcited nonsense. consequently -- if sex includes buttseks, the butt will open up during sex, just like dogs drool when hearing the bell, and through exactly the same mechanisms for exactly the same reasons.)
1845410;1535558728;diana_coman;hello mircea_popescu , I already got Mocky's bot to fail once!
1845411;1535558749;mircea_popescu;it sometimes fails for me too, but i've not yet been able to get enough of a fix on it to report something useful.
1845412;1535558772;mircea_popescu;nevertheless -- it also produced in excess of a quarter bn base value of minerals for me!
1845413;1535558779;mircea_popescu;i dub august the month of mircescu mining! MMM!
1845414;1535558803;diana_coman;cool stuff
1845415;1535558816;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo i sell reconditioned tommyguns, cheap. << Sweet, apparently .45 ACP is hard to find around these parts though
1845416;1535558822;mircea_popescu;(oh, also got me #1 and #5 in month top of pops! and #1 today! win!)
1845417;1535558864;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo don't you just love it, btw, when all sorts of inept modern remakers of "prohibition era" have people machine gunned with the damned thing and then they ... walk ? or something like that ?
1845418;1535558879;BingoBoingo;Right
1845419;1535558929;*;mircea_popescu has recently seen "the untouchables", a typically idiotic nonsenseyarn (with pre-america ending prettyboy costner). sean connery gets it well and good, and then proceeds to scramble about, his lungs 50% lead.
1845420;1535558942;mircea_popescu;by VOLUME, i don't mean by fucking mass, that'd be a total blowout.
1845421;1535559007;BingoBoingo;Anyways the armaments of the ATM refill crew are pretty armed with the rifles and submachine guns (apparently the ATM crews are organized as fireteams with specialists?)
1845422;1535559045;mircea_popescu;pro tip : the thompson's a passible concrete cutter. it comes from the same mental era as http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=warthog ; made by the same people for the same reasons, abandoned by the same cucks for the same reasons.
1845423;1535559094;BingoBoingo;Well, when you gotta cut down non-Judeoist fanatics like the Japs... Gotta do what you gotta do
1845424;1535559238;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> i picture her as gigantic guinea pig.. << What puzzles me is that the hairless cultivars all seem to be in the pet trade. Due to their size you gotta defuzz the skin instead of skinning them lest they get to dry during cooking.
1845425;1535559291;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: phunphakt -- i saw 'tommy' sold in shop in usa. but on closer look, turned out, it was a cruel mockery, they tore out insides and replaced with deliberately incompatible firing mechanism, so as to fire from closed bolt , per usg diktat
1845426;1535559310;asciilifeform;( but at least they kept the barrel, still ye olde 45-acp )
1845427;1535559389;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Those are common "demilitarized" collectors items. In the 1990's the catalogs selling Mosin and cheap SKS were full of all sorts of otherwise cool (sten, uzi, etc) molested into uselessness
1845428;1535559409;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it wasn't 'demilitarized' in the 'this is nao a hammer' sense, it fired (semi)
1845429;1535559428;BingoBoingo;Pobre Tommicito
1845430;1535559436;asciilifeform;i think the same people had a mutilated PPSH also
1845431;1535559503;*;trinque recalls throwing around m1 garand's in high school, had lead poured down the barrel
1845432;1535559517;asciilifeform;trinque: was museum piece or wat
1845433;1535559552;trinque;jrotc drill team; we had a particularly traditional sergeant, wasn't going to have any of that plastic gun pussy shit
1845434;1535559580;asciilifeform;they did this in su also. i still dunget why can't restore these to proper function -- yes melting out pb will destroy the temper on the barrel, but can go and re-anneal it
1845435;1535559594;asciilifeform;all you need is induction heater, afaik, and oil bath
1845436;1535559646;BingoBoingo;PhunPhact, USG still at least nominally has a program for selling surplus weapons to civilians http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/
1845437;1535559648;asciilifeform;trinque: jrotc is pre-enlistment army school, neh ? and they drill with ceremonial rifle ?!
1845438;1535559648;mircea_popescu;trinque here's the fun thing : you can actually clean those. contrary to what the idiots think, it's not "permanent" : lead becoms soft enough to push out long before the barel's actually fucked by the temp.
1845439;1535559662;mircea_popescu;just need to machine a perfect rod for the barrel.
1845440;1535559679;mircea_popescu;(the fundamental problem being that lead and iron don't alloy)
1845441;1535559680;trinque;somebody oughta tell the kids next time there's a priceless artifact of the old south to defend
1845442;1535559683;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: most vintage small arms come with 'perfect rod' already , neh
1845443;1535559688;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeh.
1845444;1535559689;asciilifeform;i.e. the clean rod
1845445;1535559700;asciilifeform;ro kalash certainly did
1845446;1535559705;mircea_popescu;yup.
1845447;1535559748;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: depending on how generous museum was with the pb, could be headache, say they filled entire barrel.
1845448;1535559767;mircea_popescu;still comes out. need jeweler's pick and patience.
1845449;1535559781;asciilifeform;desoldering iron with suction hose.
1845450;1535559790;mircea_popescu;warm enough lead to be workable is not such a big deal, can hold i nhand with leather strap.
1845451;1535559797;asciilifeform;it'll prolly remain in the rifling grooves tho
1845452;1535559816;mircea_popescu;nah, you do what the washing machine does, by hand. your surfactant's prolly going to be a grease.
1845453;1535559843;mircea_popescu;washing machines all over the nation routinely get "lead" out of "barrel".
1845454;1535559854;mircea_popescu;cotton and mud, also don't alloy.
1845455;1535559900;asciilifeform;if pb on fe behaves anyffing like eutectic pb/sn/ag solder over cu -- it dun alloy, but 'cold welds', some will remain.
1845456;1535559923;mircea_popescu;nope. iron is very different nation from pb / ag / au / u line.
1845457;1535559926;mircea_popescu;they don't like each other.
1845458;1535559936;asciilifeform;certainly worth experiment
1845459;1535559941;mircea_popescu;by all means!
1845460;1535559972;mircea_popescu;iron likes chrome, and vanadium and those guys.
1845461;1535559979;asciilifeform;i suspect that it is even possible to cheat, lower melting temp of the pb with (surprisingly cheap) gallium
1845462;1535559984;mircea_popescu;lead likes tin and stibium and those guys.
1845463;1535559996;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform definitely, wasn't even getting into all of that.
1845464;1535560012;mircea_popescu;but recall your own "remove bs solder through mixing" experiments
1845465;1535560031;asciilifeform;aha, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1871
1845466;1535560036;asciilifeform;worx a+++
1845467;1535560077;asciilifeform;( i added pb to 'pb-free' rubbish , to properly melt with ordinary irons . but same principle worx elsewhere, universally )
1845468;1535560093;asciilifeform;same reason why salt is poured on icy road in winter.
1845469;1535560107;mircea_popescu;"diffusion in warm solids". you should prolly phd :D
1845470;1535560135;mircea_popescu;"what does warm mean ehre ?" "not zero." "zero what ?" "zero kelvin."
1845471;1535560165;asciilifeform;lol
1845472;1535560282;asciilifeform;revisiting upstack, to the barrels -- i suspect that the reason why nobody bothers with this procedure in usa, is that barrels are sold openly
1845473;1535560301;mircea_popescu;possibly, yeah.
1845474;1535560304;asciilifeform;( they are not considered usg.speshul )
1845475;1535560531;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-29#1845437 << "zero tolerance policy" for guns on school grounds.
1845476;1535560531;a111;Logged on 2018-08-29 16:20 asciilifeform: trinque: jrotc is pre-enlistment army school, neh ? and they drill with ceremonial rifle ?!
1845477;1535560703;mircea_popescu;just that makes it obvious they should be shot until they submit.
1845478;1535560738;trinque;it was all perverse, had two sergeants and a colonel (retired) trying to make a proper boys academy in a public school
1845479;1535560776;trinque;probably has degenerated further since then
1845480;1535560799;mircea_popescu;the things people who decided "to work with the system" will try...
1845481;1535560808;mircea_popescu;kinda reminescent of the classical abused wife portrait.
1845482;1535560838;mircea_popescu;or, if one prefers, kinda reminescent of the "computer security" crowd. same thing, really.
1845483;1535561185;trinque;certainly. most obvious example was they'd hit ya, make you do pushups in mud, etc., but there was a tacit "don't spoil things and cry to mother, who cries to superintendent"
1845484;1535561214;trinque;fortunately disappointing enough that I didn't end up stomping around the desert or flying drones for a living
1845485;1535561294;asciilifeform;trinque: i suspect that drone detail is considered 'cushy' , and reserved for necro-sexual trans-species black whatevers-in-wheelchair etc
1845486;1535561330;trinque;lel, I thought this was what passed for "low-level commissioned officer" in chairforce these days
1845487;1535561344;*;asciilifeform not up to date re subj
1845488;1535561452;mircea_popescu;hey guise, i know how to to barrel rolls. i played some video games.
1845489;1535561571;asciilifeform;lol what rolls, 'predator' is not aerial combat machine, it is air-to-ground wetwork machine
1845490;1535561613;asciilifeform;reportedly they takeoff & land by comp, also. the monkey in the chair is ceremonial.
1845491;1535561631;mats;usaf is crawling towards putting enlisted men into pilots seat due to personnel shortage
1845492;1535561703;asciilifeform;mats: lol! what did they use'em for prior ? mopping floors ?
1845493;1535561713;asciilifeform;gotta be a major or above, to fly ??
1845494;1535561753;BingoBoingo;It's ok, they got Tome Cruise to make a sequel to Top Gun, never mind that is character would have hit the ceiling on career length and been forced out last decade
1845495;1535561783;asciilifeform;they oughta make a 'bottom gun', about the life of the late mccain
1845496;1535561785;trinque;speaking of gay.
1845497;1535561809;asciilifeform;d00d accounted for, what , 26 planes from ~own~ side ??
1845498;1535561821;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: AHA, McCain and his soulmate Senator Lindsey Graham
1845499;1535561823;asciilifeform;( plus -- nearly -- a carrier )
1845500;1535562001;mats;asciilifeform: not sure about the details but i wouldn’t be surprised if many pilots were at least 1LTs by the time they get out of training to actual unit
1845501;1535562024;mats;since E1-4 and O1-3 are time gated ‘you’re not a fuckup here’s a promotion’ ranks
1845502;1535562063;*;BingoBoingo was under the impression "warrant officer" ranks were kept around for helicopter folk
1845503;1535562074;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you don't understand how pantsuit heroism works.
1845504;1535562081;mats;usaf and army has different aviation culture
1845505;1535562083;mircea_popescu;mccain needed MOST mother ? he's the best kid thereby!
1845506;1535562130;mircea_popescu;anyway ; pilots were universally 2nd lts throughout jet golden era (60s to 80s say). this strictly for mats reason, got it upon completing academy.
1845507;1535562320;asciilifeform;holyfuq, 'all pilots lieutenants' ?!
1845508;1535562322;asciilifeform;srsly ?
1845509;1535562334;asciilifeform;why not all generals ?
1845510;1535562550;mats;airframe is very expensive, smelly privates can’t be trusted
1845511;1535562566;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: This was back when college degree still was a somewhat useful gatekeeper
1845512;1535562575;BingoBoingo;Or at least percieved as such
1845513;1535562584;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform very strictly what he says : can't have grunt have this much $$$ assigned to him.
1845514;1535562602;mircea_popescu;meanwhile thesaurus has gained http://trilema.com/republican-thesaurus/#selection-103.0-103.4 !\
1845515;1535562609;mircea_popescu;comments, as always, welcome!
1845516;1535562667;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the funny bit is that not only pilot can scrap the $$$ machine, but also http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-22#1843688 d00d.
1845517;1535562667;a111;Logged on 2018-08-22 21:38 asciilifeform: upstack re 'steal a boeing', recall the http://btcbase.org/log/2014-09-07#821351 fella ?
1845518;1535562679;asciilifeform;the janitor is pilot too...
1845519;1535562679;mircea_popescu;noncomissioned officers ? nah.
1845520;1535562709;mats;by contrast, warrant officers fly their entire careers in usarmy, commissioned officers also fly but also get piped through command and staff billets
1845521;1535562817;mats;this probably works better, commissioned officer ‘up or out’ promotions aren’t good for retaining pilots
1845522;1535562937;BingoBoingo;Doing an alt-history retrospective I am starting to think that if I would have enlisted... Coast Guard would have been the way to go. Practice useful skills like boarding ships, they do that all the time. When's the last time the Marines boarded a shipp in anger?
1845523;1535562973;mircea_popescu;the mariens are supposed to be amphibious landers not fuckingpirates.
1845524;1535562986;mircea_popescu;but yes, if one's contemplating a cartman career in somalia, coast guard works.
1845525;1535562995;mircea_popescu;also paying attention in basic arithmetics works.
1845526;1535563259;mats;https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htatrit/articles/20171210.aspx if you’re interested in reading about the enlisted/officer pilot controversy
1845527;1535563637;mircea_popescu;"losing the qualitative edge that has had the USAF dominating the air since 1945"
1845528;1535563640;mircea_popescu;ahahaha what the fuck.
1845529;1535563653;mats;good times in teh best military in the world
1845530;1535563655;Mocky;marines just get carried around by the navy, dun 'take ships'
1845531;1535563659;asciilifeform;'...in the last half century only three U.S. Air Force pilots have become aces (five or more aircraft shot down). There may never be any more aces.'
1845532;1535563672;mircea_popescu;this is such claptrap it seems researched by sasha baron cohen
1845533;1535563679;mircea_popescu;do the airplanes also work better if they're pointy ?
1845534;1535563725;BingoBoingo;<Mocky> marines just get carried around by the navy, dun 'take ships' << This meshes with one of my cousin's experiences in the corps. Spent 6 years alternating between being stored on boats and being stored on land
1845535;1535563772;mircea_popescu;anyway ; there was never actually a time us pilots were remarkable. during the war raf dominated the east and by VERY far japan dominated the east (in fact, the "biologically unfit to fly" jap pilots were the best pilots of the war, hands down). even romania's royal air force had better pilots than fucking usaf, wtf. but anyway, it was mostly brits and germans.
1845536;1535563822;mircea_popescu;and since then, gimme a break ? for one thing ro destroyed the entire nato force back 9in when was it, 2015 exercise. and for the other, soviets were always better ; and after a brief gap ru is certainly supreme over the usg's rust buckets, since at least 2010s
1845537;1535563846;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: quite possibly today's 'we control the vertical and horizontal!' delusional usaf, specifically begun in the days when jp ran out of modern machines ~and~ trained men, and pacific war turned into duck hunt
1845538;1535563863;mircea_popescu;(this isn't to say ro is that good ; but the nato planes are shit, and the nato pilots even worse shit)
1845539;1535563874;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i guess.
1845540;1535563890;BingoBoingo;Another counsin spent very little time one boats, bounced around between arctic and arizona with experience punctuated by "peacekeeping" in Balkans. His kid is latest to enlist because "acts out", didn't school good, and wtf else to do
1845541;1535563898;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-17#1842632 hypothesis
1845542;1535563898;a111;Logged on 2018-08-17 18:52 mircea_popescu: there's two kinds of i won : the "i won because you're fucking stupid" and the "omfg i'm so cool i won". the latter never works out.
1845543;1535563920;mircea_popescu;i can see it.
1845544;1535563934;asciilifeform;jp ran out of ~errything, while usa was fielding 'hellcats' with engine the size of entire today's toyota
1845545;1535563965;asciilifeform;but yes, in opening yr+ of war, jp cleaned floor with usa
1845546;1535563982;asciilifeform;( 'usaf' as such did not yet exist, it was 'army flying corps' and same in navy, iirc, different animals )
1845547;1535564007;mircea_popescu;but throughout tenure us "ace pilot" consisted ~of "fly stratofortress, armored plane above aa range".
1845548;1535564022;mircea_popescu;so no, the "current" problems aren't current but fucking sturctural. always was a conclave of cowards.
1845549;1535564033;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'ace pilot' was specifically re folx in 1seaters
1845550;1535564061;asciilifeform;folx in bomber detail, never 'personally' credited with killing anyffing, afaik
1845551;1535564064;mircea_popescu;point in case, "losing pilots to marriage stress". if you can't slap the bitch over that running mouth of hers, what the fuck are you going to do in the air ? shoot instagram posts ?
1845552;1535564081;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah yeah. which is why the brits generally had to supply the cover.
1845553;1535564105;Mocky;in the 90's all of the 'how to operate' tank training was in tanks and ~all the 'how to fight as effective tank platoon' was in shitty simulator. this for both army and marines. Makes me wonder about 'modern' pilot training
1845554;1535564114;mircea_popescu;folk are broken in the fucking head ; just look at current mad max remake : a hot chick THAT IS NOT NAKED driving A TRUCK.
1845555;1535564117;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in su there was legend of at the very least 1 test pilot who flew mig29 vertically into ground , when wife left
1845556;1535564130;asciilifeform;but no hard evidence that this happened, only folklore.
1845557;1535564131;mircea_popescu;totally, that's how "postapocalyptic" works. moving barns and dressed women.
1845558;1535564173;mircea_popescu;nobody will fucking drive ~the largest target that can be found~ in the middle of chaos, what the fuck. an ustard however will find this natural.
1845559;1535564191;mircea_popescu;then they wanna know why obesity problem.
1845560;1535564345;mircea_popescu; raf dominated the east << i mean, the west, of course.
1845561;1535564385;asciilifeform;afaik there was no brit presence in pacific, tho. straight usa vs jp contest.
1845562;1535564399;asciilifeform;( with minor backstage role of australia iirc )
1845563;1535564466;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/the-power-of-the-press-in-english-this-time/#selection-529.1-541.1 << breadcrumbs re "2015 exercise". was 2014.
1845564;1535564500;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yep.
1845565;1535564540;mircea_popescu;no soviets in the east ; and no cn/kr/etc permitted to fly. for same "smelly" reason, i suspect. the koreans aren't all that bad these days.
1845566;1535564582;mircea_popescu;(chinese, reportedly still fucking horrible; but then again maybe in time, it's not so far from prepubescent girly olympi-perisexual displays, and they sure mastered that)
1845567;1535564603;mats;in other keks, https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/08/25/opinion/sunday/student-debt-loan-default-college.html
1845568;1535564659;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: su did declare war on jp, but not until aug9
1845569;1535564717;mircea_popescu;mats 100% of my us-"educated" slaves are in default. and will fucking stay in default.
1845570;1535564725;mats;the editing isn’t very good, but my take is that 30% of borrowers have -at least- missed 3 payments over five years (‘students facing serious struggles’)
1845571;1535564731;mircea_popescu;i have a good mind to start billing trump. "25 yo can't calculus"
1845572;1535564755;mats;which is unreal. hundreds of billions in combined defaults and late payments
1845573;1535564759;mircea_popescu;"oh, calculus isn't fgor everyone" "money -- also not for everyone. i'll take all yours now."
1845574;1535564858;mircea_popescu;and yes the trend is agravating, 2000s born set will certainly "owe" more than 1995-2000 set which in turn about 100% more than 1990-1995 set and so fucking following.
1845575;1535564915;mats;sad. kids waiting for their parents to die so they can move into their house
1845576;1535564960;mircea_popescu;that's long past. parents mostly rent. and then there's medicare.
1845577;1535564965;Mocky;then they will promptly take out a mortgage, lol
1845578;1535564967;asciilifeform;mats: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-29#1676200
1845579;1535564967;a111;Logged on 2017-06-29 17:32 BingoBoingo: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=8142 << "Her attorney informed us this morning, that although the deed is being assigned to my sister, my brother and I, that if my mother requires nursing home care through Medicare at any point over the next five years, that the Feds will take the house to pay the bills. "
1845580;1535565000;asciilifeform;if parents 'own' house -- noprob, from usg's pov, will simply expropriate.
1845581;1535565010;mircea_popescu;straight from whorse's mouth : "i thought doctor visits were free on obamacare. it doesn't even do that ?" "affordable care act got cancelled"
1845582;1535565016;asciilifeform;nobody in nato reich owns worth shit.
1845583;1535565057;mircea_popescu;i'm sure the "not a tax" tax however DIDNT get fucking cancelled. much like the spanish-american war DID get cancelled, but the tax on phone introduced "for" it is still there.
1845584;1535565082;asciilifeform;not only still here, but regularly upped
1845585;1535565095;mircea_popescu;gotta keep up with the costs of the spanis-american war!
1845586;1535565098;asciilifeform;aha!
1845587;1535565128;mircea_popescu;i don't actually know any girls whose parents are cash-positive.
1845588;1535565167;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-29#1845577 << usg.mortgage is a device for separating salaried zeks (engineers, law, etc) from their 'excess' fat. not for millenial pauper to borrow against... what, exactly. (maybe organs?)
1845589;1535565167;a111;Logged on 2018-08-29 17:49 Mocky: then they will promptly take out a mortgage, lol
1845590;1535565175;mircea_popescu;maybe in the sense of, "currently solvent". but wealthy is not experimentally encountered.
1845591;1535565244;mircea_popescu;so no, the "wait for parents to die", traditional euro-french strategy of the "age of enlightenment" as it were, nevertheless long in the tooth.
1845592;1535565264;mircea_popescu;had a brief career in the us, but west coast only, and limited to post-gilded age dweebs only.
1845593;1535565267;mircea_popescu;this is all long gone.
1845594;1535565277;mircea_popescu;i'm sorry, i mean ~east~ coast only.
1845595;1535565378;mircea_popescu;like the celebrated case of http://trilema.com/2018/the-principal-agent-problem-or-how-america-went-away/#selection-131.79-131.97
1845596;1535565435;mats;property inheritance lottery still in place in ca, due to prop 13
1845597;1535565492;mircea_popescu;it's not fucking lottery. have better parents.
1845598;1535565519;mircea_popescu;this fucking matters ; having shit parents makes one shittier than the alternative, and the fact that "There's nothing he can do about that" doesn't EXCUSE anything.
1845599;1535565524;asciilifeform;have better ticket!11
1845600;1535565527;*;mats rummages in closet
1845601;1535565538;Mocky;pick better numbers!
1845602;1535565581;mircea_popescu;hay.
1845603;1535565588;mircea_popescu;hey*. lol.
1845604;1535565687;Mocky;well not like a bunch of black dudes sayin 'wish my parents were white'... then some white kid would have been the son
1845605;1535565777;mircea_popescu;!Q later tell hanbot http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/lQzIk/?raw=true
1845606;1535565777;lobbesbot;mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
1845607;1535565810;mircea_popescu;"wish in your left hand and piss in your right ; stop when one fills up and check out to see which it was!"
1845608;1535565856;asciilifeform;'oops i accidentally pissed in my left ventricle'
1845609;1535565864;asciilifeform;err, wished
1845610;1535565880;mircea_popescu;in other shocking news today, pissing more effectual than wishing in all fields and applications!
1845611;1535565909;asciilifeform;sometimes moar effective tho, when yer stupid, and wishing for actively idiotic wisholade
1845612;1535565931;asciilifeform;then pissing wins
1845613;1535566113;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i dun subscribe to the model where folx who dun have a usg.'foundation' to meritwash their spawn into backdoor-inheriting meritwashed moneys, are 'shit parent'
1845614;1535566128;asciilifeform;( and this is the only type of inheritance that still worx in usgdom )
1845615;1535566131;mircea_popescu;hey, let them buy bitcoin, i don't care how they go about it.
1845616;1535566156;mircea_popescu;but parents who leave behind no owned slice of the world don't deserve a grave, and merit to spend eternity in shameland.
1845617;1535566169;asciilifeform;can't exactly buy it for lolcoin ('real estate equity' and other fuffles) now can you.
1845618;1535566277;mircea_popescu;and i don't mean no "sentimental" bullshit, either. casa quantu stai e tirrinu quantu viri.
1845619;1535566287;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: zeks dun have 'owned slice', lol, thats what makes'em zeks
1845620;1535566298;mircea_popescu;zeks don't need gravestones.
1845621;1535566335;asciilifeform;phunphakt, gravestones already on their way out in usa, trend is to 'envir friendly' burials, with wooden stakes, paper flags, just like the old gulag
1845622;1535566353;mircea_popescu;very adequate, imo.
1845623;1535566380;asciilifeform;normal stones, see, cost dough. 10k or so, last i saw.
1845624;1535566411;asciilifeform;( why ? apparently some co has a quasi-monopoly . how this is possible, is beyond me , but seems to be troo )
1845625;1535566440;mircea_popescu;can always make your own.
1845626;1535566464;mircea_popescu;and THIS is why : average zek can't, because average zek not person, inhuman, can't do anything like ghosts can't do anything.
1845627;1535566473;asciilifeform;bahahanope. see, just like in life ustards have 'homeowner association' that prohibits wrong colour paint of house...
1845628;1535566476;mircea_popescu;which is how the 10k is arrived at,
1845629;1535566478;asciilifeform;in graveyard -- same !
1845630;1535566486;asciilifeform;gotta buy 'approved' stone.
1845631;1535566518;asciilifeform;all of ustardism is structured this way.
1845632;1535566555;asciilifeform;if you send spawn to 'uncertified' school, yer a criminal, if bury parent in uncertified tomb, also criminal, if... well errybody already knows, i think
1845633;1535566667;asciilifeform;the only part of the system that doesn't make any sense to asciilifeform , is why the soldiers, raped raw regularly with e.g. retro-revoked bonuses, deployments to goatfuckistans with 0 strategy beyond 'clear mines with own feet', etc -- continue to prop up the inca
1845634;1535566671;asciilifeform;rather than cutting throats
1845635;1535566737;Mocky;the ones who couldn't be 'trained not to question' failed training
1845636;1535566788;asciilifeform;Mocky: us army is not waffen ss tho. visit a base, it's full of the typical 'i hate my job' schmuck that you meet anywhere else, construction sites, mines, wherever
1845637;1535566799;mircea_popescu;noncitizen soldiery. which is why all the "usarmy provided training and logistical support" etc.
1845638;1535566808;mircea_popescu;kinda useless dweebs.
1845639;1535566819;asciilifeform;afaik not enuff mexicans to make serious diff, yet
1845640;1535566827;asciilifeform;most of army still 'red state'
1845641;1535566842;asciilifeform;folx like BingoBoingo's brothers or whoever.
1845642;1535566897;Mocky;asciilifeform, 'i hate my job' is the internalization of the problem, opposite of questioning
1845643;1535566918;mircea_popescu;citizen means he who can lynch and annul court cases, not he who's just tryna make it.
1845644;1535566926;*;asciilifeform not been in usa army. but did work as non-liveried specialist with their medical corps, for some yrs, so got an -- admittedly coloured -- look at one organ of the beast, from inside
1845645;1535566966;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> folx like BingoBoingo's brothers or whoever. << Not brothers, cousins. Brothers are dentist and utility pole engineer respectively
1845646;1535566971;asciilifeform;aa
1845647;1535567016;*;Mocky was marine corps tank driver in reserves, was active duty for some months on army base
1845648;1535567049;asciilifeform;Mocky: ask him some time why don't the tank corps at ft knox storm the inner fort and expose the fdr sham.
1845649;1535567080;asciilifeform;( yes they have the nominal home of the fdr-confiscatola ~inside~ tank corps school )
1845650;1535567108;Mocky;I never saw it while there, rumored to be there tho
1845651;1535567134;asciilifeform;Mocky: it is physically small
1845652;1535567162;asciilifeform;funnily enuff, moar seekrecy around subj than ~anyffing outside of perhaps nsa crypto directorate
1845653;1535567170;asciilifeform;( or cia cocaine directorate )
1845654;1535567188;Mocky;~everyone coming though the gates is wondering where it is
1845655;1535567198;asciilifeform;who guards, with what, where -- ~entirely unknown
1845656;1535567263;mircea_popescu;moreover, whether it cost more in guarding than it was worth, since it's been a while ?
1845657;1535567263;asciilifeform;the au may be in beijing , but the bezzle-au still safely stored at knox..
1845658;1535567265;Mocky;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-29#1845648 >> and what him? it's me
1845659;1535567265;a111;Logged on 2018-08-29 18:24 asciilifeform: Mocky: ask him some time why don't the tank corps at ft knox storm the inner fort and expose the fdr sham.
1845660;1535567281;asciilifeform;Mocky: ah lol i misread
1845661;1535567294;asciilifeform;got OR'd with BingoBoingo's line in my head
1845662;1535567347;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'than it's worth' is complicated -- how much is worth the seekret of 'usg has 0 au' ?
1845663;1535567354;mircea_popescu;0.
1845664;1535567364;asciilifeform;evidently the derps themselves, think >0
1845665;1535567374;mircea_popescu;secret someone has something is worth the finder's fee, which is why it's called that. 10%.
1845666;1535567377;mircea_popescu;10% of nothing is...
1845667;1535567405;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc you were the one who wrote about that one mountain in ro
1845668;1535567415;mircea_popescu;(if it's not worth 0 to you, you just got a fix of your value to the usg! that's how much zek tack you're carrying)
1845669;1535567417;asciilifeform;with the unknown 'but thought large' pile of au in it
1845670;1535567477;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform specifically http://trilema.com/2011/jaful-si-economia/#selection-67.0-69.357
1845671;1535567495;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i personally dun give even nanofuck whether knox contains megatonne of au, or 0, or nixon's used condom from when he was permitted inside.
1845672;1535567540;mircea_popescu;just saying, the value of showing negatives is very much jealous wife interest.
1845673;1535567567;asciilifeform;but if somehow item seeing sunlight would help hitler to die -- then i'd like to see it .
1845674;1535567625;mircea_popescu;we do this cyclical "i don't understand why figment of my imagination is something i imagine" "because you do" "but what sort of worship do i owe figment of my imagination ?" "none" "what about waking every morning at 5 and saying figment don't exist in a hoarse voice ?" "nope"
1845675;1535567628;mircea_popescu;and so onnnnn.
1845676;1535567669;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: so the classical model where 'they have a box with possibly 0, but the 0 not known for certain, so they can borrow from beijing against $box' entirely off ?
1845677;1535567696;mircea_popescu;"borrow". chinese ppls give them freebies. what, i know a guy named shaun who has a girl who's not a whore who he lends money to now and again.
1845678;1535567707;asciilifeform;why , i still dunget, would they do this.
1845679;1535567737;asciilifeform;( would you do this, if you were gensek of cn ?? )
1845680;1535567741;mircea_popescu;well who the fuck knows. nobody understands chinese -- not even the speakers.
1845681;1535567749;asciilifeform;i certainly do not.
1845682;1535567757;mircea_popescu;but in any case, if you suspect it's an actual economic transaction, fill your own empty box with nothing, go see if it works.
1845683;1535567768;mircea_popescu;economy means some trings, strictly. if it's not substitutable it's not economical.
1845684;1535567782;asciilifeform;the old (nao mostly dead) institution of zek mortgage, was exactly this tho
1845685;1535567795;asciilifeform;a miniature version of same 'sacrament', for plebes, as usg itself partakes in
1845686;1535567873;mircea_popescu;if it ever worked that way, it was back in the 50s, when under pressure from soviet union free housing and moreover http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-04#1831653
1845687;1535567873;a111;Logged on 2018-07-04 16:24 mircea_popescu: as far as uneducated, "hard" ustardian kids were concerned, the dilemma stood between stories of killing injuns and "building a civilisation out of a wilderness" by then two generations expired, or else ~kids just like them actually doing it~, driving motorcycles through the endless dusts of the middle earth and erecting oil pumping metropolises across the siberia.
1845688;1535567882;mircea_popescu;not really prior or hence.
1845689;1535567906;asciilifeform;but noshit , it aint 'economic transaction', it's a throne <-> peasant transaction, quod licet iovi non licet bovi (tm)(r)
1845690;1535567950;asciilifeform;and yes pressure from su was the thing holding the insanity of fdr.usg into some semblance of sense.
1845691;1535567974;asciilifeform;after removed -- began to bloat and leak , like those deep oceanic fishes.
1845692;1535567987;*;asciilifeform bbl,meat
1845693;1535568480;mircea_popescu;well, maybe the cn dun wanna provide the same pressure, as a free service.
1845694;1535568532;mircea_popescu;note that for all the "free money!!!" the usg doesn't get any GOOD SHIT. it just gets the plasticars that they don't really want or need anyway, but not http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-28#1845236
1845695;1535568532;a111;Logged on 2018-08-28 17:22 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/08/usg-butthurt-china-wont-share-samples-of-h7n9-flu-virus/ << Qntra - USG Butthurt China Won't Share Samples Of H7N9 Flu Virus
1845696;1535569817;asciilifeform;( as BingoBoingo & mircea_popescu already noted ) anybody would have to be tired of living, to share weaponizables with usg
1845697;1535569843;asciilifeform;or even to share vaccine ~only for chicken~
1845698;1535569866;asciilifeform;( why, so usg can pack the debeaked birds even tighter, breed new pathogens ? )
1845699;1535569977;asciilifeform;the longer the usg show goes on , the moar intricately irreversible horrors will be born. which is why i do not buy worth one shit the hypothesis of 'wisdom of forward-looking wise 5000yr china' . they're civilization of the ant, 0 values but 'wealth' of the most immediate pov.
1845700;1535570086;hanbot;mircea_popescu : got it.
1845701;1535570086;lobbesbot;hanbot: Sent 1 hour and 11 minutes ago: <mircea_popescu> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/lQzIk/?raw=true
1845702;1535570244;asciilifeform;general electric, for instance, is hard at work on setting up 'next fukushima' in post-sov east europistan. bulgaria, ukrs, ro, close contestants for the eventual sr90 medal.
1845703;1535570265;asciilifeform;will be blamed, of course, on su.
1845704;1535570274;asciilifeform;'how dare uppity orcs build reactors'
1845705;1535570479;asciilifeform;as for '5000yr wisdom of china', i'd at least consider to take it seriously if they, say, quit running microshit.
1845706;1535570505;asciilifeform;( ru , persia, et al, all fail likewise this litmus )
1845707;1535570637;asciilifeform;first kingdom where they ban microshit , where will it be ? ( and can i buy ticket ! )
1845708;1535570730;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-29#1845694 << 'good shit' is not the only way to spend proceeds of plunder & theft -- can also spend like heroin addict, on staving off 'cold turkey'. which is what usg does, i.e. supplies 300M office plankton with cheap petrol, plastic house, plastic car.
1845709;1535570730;a111;Logged on 2018-08-29 18:48 mircea_popescu: note that for all the "free money!!!" the usg doesn't get any GOOD SHIT. it just gets the plasticars that they don't really want or need anyway, but not http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-28#1845236
1845710;1535571066;mircea_popescu;this ant theory doesn't stand ; they found the symmetries, much like arabs and french.
1845711;1535571075;BingoBoingo;Hey, USG.petrol is still very expensive compared to tropical VZLA.Maduro petrol
1845712;1535571086;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this much is troo
1845713;1535571116;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: which is why i have fundamental ??? re cn, it dun fit in any box i can think of to date
1845714;1535571147;asciilifeform;possibly consists of >1 cuttable entities , that would fit, but i do not know what they are yet.
1845715;1535571159;mircea_popescu;sadly fits in the box of "managed to produce >10mn hussies 16 years ago, none of which are sharp enough to pick up easy money here"
1845716;1535571166;asciilifeform;this also
1845717;1535571195;asciilifeform;( or did it produce ? maybe zapped, during 'one child' period ?? )
1845718;1535571231;mircea_popescu;>10mn 15 years ago also. and 17 and 19 and so forth.
1845719;1535571254;asciilifeform;for all i know, they managed to birth only 100k for all 3.
1845720;1535571290;mircea_popescu;hmm, fuck me, i'm wrong. they only make about 17mn or so a year, both genders. for some reason i tought moar like 25.
1845721;1535571346;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in the fanfic/fake news, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2989404/Child-snatchers-abducting-200-000-boys-girls-openly-selling-online-10-000-kidnapping-epidemic-destroying-families-China.html
1845722;1535571372;asciilifeform;nuland already strapped, i suppose, in parachute, waiting.
1845723;1535571393;mircea_popescu;that's ~1 btc lol.
1845724;1535571414;asciilifeform;iirc mircea_popescu had a very specific prophecy re '1 btc ~= 1 chix'
1845725;1535571420;mircea_popescu;think, we could buy china's entire production of abducted baby for like... a decade
1845726;1535571430;mircea_popescu;yet somehow can't find a SINGLE chick smart enough to figure out gpg.
1845727;1535571494;asciilifeform;it prolly aint lang barrier -- recall, they saw phuctor and translated, correctly, and even avoided swallowing boeck etc
1845728;1535571524;asciilifeform;( and, also recall, they ran uncle al's eotvos experiment... )
1845729;1535571550;asciilifeform;as i gather, they treat the anglos similarly to how tmsr -- take anyffing not bolted down, but do not hurry to give back.
1845730;1535572181;mircea_popescu;"language barrier" is another word for stupid.
1845731;1535572259;asciilifeform;or lazy ?
1845732;1535572269;asciilifeform;and which one are we , i for instance haven't learned cn yet
1845733;1535572405;mircea_popescu;i suspect i might be too stupid to appreciate chinese "lang".
1845734;1535572532;asciilifeform;interestingly, jp -- tho saddled with same nonsense -- started work on phasing out hieroglyphs. the run is that they started in , what, 700 a.d., and still not finished
1845735;1535572539;asciilifeform;*the rub
1845736;1535572548;mircea_popescu;but anyway, in my case problem greatly compounded by failure to find sexually interesting chinese girl.
1845737;1535572561;asciilifeform;i recall aha
1845738;1535572587;asciilifeform;maybe the pill , is , daughters of euro folk working in cn
1845739;1535572600;asciilifeform;these gotta exist, somewhere
1845740;1535572612;mircea_popescu;meh, 2nd hand. never works. i didn't learn sicilian from "italian government girl from rome working in palermo" either.
1845741;1535572639;asciilifeform;not speaking of nulands, but of folx who grew up in cn, side by side with the aboriginals
1845742;1535572789;mats;lol
1845743;1535572842;asciilifeform;mats: what, unicorn, never yet seen ?
1845744;1535572861;asciilifeform;or what am i missing
1845745;1535572946;mats;i thought the aboriginals was funny s'all
1845746;1535574187;mats;i've met people like that, e.g. kids of missionaries, their chinese skills were well regarded at my church
1845747;1535574219;mats;draws a crowd
1845748;1535574274;BingoBoingo;Hard to tell if that's a very complete Chinese language though.
1845749;1535574310;mats;well, chinese church, and their accent was very good
1845750;1535574401;*;mircea_popescu would count girl born in china chinese, if she lived there, sure.
1845751;1535574403;BingoBoingo;Eh, if you go to live anywhere a new language is spoken your accent can outrun acquiring finess in the language.
1845752;1535574476;mats;thats true
1845753;1535574510;mircea_popescu;but consider the german of https://8ch.net/fascist/res/185.html#185 "I feel like my German translation is shit today. It's been a year since I've been in Europe and approaching six months plus of no classes"
1845754;1535574527;mircea_popescu;even when applied to something as campbell-soup-can as strasser's nonsense.
1845755;1535574555;mircea_popescu;fun fact : strass is how you say "cheap fake", even today, even in romanian.
1845756;1535574662;mircea_popescu;(mostly because what's known (because marketed, duh) as "swarovski" today was bohemian crystal back in the days of my childhood, when 5-10lb fruit bowls of the stuff were commonly gifted ; but before that... it was strass
1845757;1535574667;mircea_popescu;they even have strass.com!
1845758;1535575177;Mocky;tiny blue 'my little pony' car pulled into the spot next to me, damn these things are small. I've seen before, i suppose many times but this one even had a gnome hop out and scurry off to the market.
1845759;1535575179;Mocky;http://imgur.com/a/YzXI2VH
1845760;1535575255;Mocky;and then on the way home traffic jam due to moped rider who not only unable to maintain 30 in a 45, but also (as seen when I finally passed him) had mirrors *taped* on, and not even with duck tape but with medical tape
1845761;1535575287;Mocky;makes me wonder if bingoboingostan is like this
1845762;1535575577;BingoBoingo;Mocky: We don't really have traffic here
1845763;1535575580;mircea_popescu;anyway, re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-29#1845690 and to continue http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713741 : the russian economy was actually just about larger than that of france and england COMBINED in the first portion of the 19th century.
1845764;1535575580;a111;Logged on 2018-08-29 18:39 asciilifeform: and yes pressure from su was the thing holding the insanity of fdr.usg into some semblance of sense.
1845765;1535575580;a111;Logged on 2017-09-13 19:29 mircea_popescu: that "trademark" is now owned by unilever, as you might've guessed, and it's used to sell items in qatar, as you might've also guessed. the point being that the poor rich arabs are trying to salvage whatever's left of the tsar's pile of salvaged material, today.
1845766;1535575603;mircea_popescu;yes "stalin industrialized" ; but much like "napoleon reformed", he didn't follow upon an empty lot. lotta mazarin work for the king went into the preparatory phase.
1845767;1535575750;BingoBoingo;Mocky: But yes lots of low power two wheel motor vehicles here, but they tend to go just as fast as everyone else. Most people with cars drive Uber to offset the cost, most with motocicletas do food deliveries
1845768;1535575835;BingoBoingo;Busses and people parking on side streets are the major causes of traffic congestion here to the extent it exists
1845769;1535576218;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-29#1845760 << good thing you and the other dads got together, pooled your house mortgages or w/e, and lent him 100k to go to college.
1845770;1535576218;a111;Logged on 2018-08-29 20:40 Mocky: and then on the way home traffic jam due to moped rider who not only unable to maintain 30 in a 45, but also (as seen when I finally passed him) had mirrors *taped* on, and not even with duck tape but with medical tape
1845771;1535576274;Mocky;ha!
1845772;1535576309;*;mircea_popescu just watched "the ice storm", is slightly pissy nobody in there made cristina ricci take off her top.
1845773;1535576321;mircea_popescu;I VLAME 70S AMERICA!
1845774;1535576323;mircea_popescu;blame, also.
1845775;1535576391;mircea_popescu;leaving aside how i thought scrub is a daytime tv drama franchise, wtf, it's a shop now too ?! here's what "see also" imgur recommends for me : https://imgur.com/gallery/z1TSZ6D
1845776;1535576501;mircea_popescu;i like the "If you see someone wearing a motorcycle helmet have an accident, DO NOT pull their helmet off for any reason. By all means, loosen the chin strap, but leave the helmet on and let the paramedics or doctors deal with it. You don’t know what that helmet is holding together"
1845777;1535576626;mircea_popescu;"Once the shockwave passes over you, you need to find shelter immediately and stay sheltered under as much concrete and steel as possible for 48 hours—this is critical" << this is terrible advice lol. metal cover for shelter more dangerous than the explosion itself. Bremsstrahlung ftw.
1845778;1535578835;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/08/29/waking-up-into-spring/ << Bingo Blog - Waking Up Into Spring
1845779;1535591033;mircea_popescu;" At somepoint escalating incidents of being called her adorable hog while getting my belly lovingly jiggled" AAAAAhahahaha!!1
1845780;1535591259;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo re " She also tries to get me to give running a try" << it is a shameful state for an adult male to not be able to outrun&overtake ~any female of sexual interest age.
1845781;1535592948;asciilifeform;what did the chix do to BingoBoingo !... when i saw him, was pure muscle, like wolf
1845782;1535593078;mod6;asciilifeform: plz to take a look at hanbot's question in #p
1845783;1535593296;asciilifeform;mod6: answrd
1845784;1535593347;asciilifeform;mod6: i'm on a travel box atm so i dun see things in entirely realtime, apologies for the wait
1845785;1535593423;mod6;np at all, totally understand.
1845786;1535594072;mod6;!!sent-invoices
1845787;1535594077;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Mv8qm/?raw=true
1845788;1535594079;mod6;!!ledger
1845789;1535594085;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/lM4Gt/?raw=true
1845790;1535628686;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Aite, I'll add beach running to the routine.
1845791;1535629093;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> what did the chix do to BingoBoingo !... when i saw him, was pure muscle, like wolf << Remember the Cheese Fascination that hit you here. Well, when I got fridge+kitchen curosity at the grocery store got the best of me. It turns out there are many different kinds of Dulce de Leche (the cremoso is bullshit)
1845792;1535634511;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-22#1843763 << i've not even checked this, because seems http://logs.minigame.biz/latest.log.html died on the 27th ?
1845793;1535634511;a111;Logged on 2018-08-22 22:45 lobbes: psa: looks like my box that houses the archive-o-matic went offline on Friday. It back up and eating through backlog; www should update sometime in the next ~ 2 hours >> http://lobbesblog.com/queryarchive/view_domains.php
1845794;1535634515;mircea_popescu;!!seen lobbes
1845795;1535634515;deedbot;2018/08/29 04:34:03 <lobbes> mod6: ack
1845796;1535634541;mircea_popescu;get back to me, will ye ? what happened here ?
1845797;1535634760;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: loads here
1845798;1535634779;mircea_popescu;does it load the log for today or the log for the 27th ?
1845799;1535634799;asciilifeform;aaaaa
1845800;1535634800;asciilifeform;nm
1845801;1535634810;mircea_popescu;right.
1845802;1535635088;mircea_popescu;and speaking of this, let's try an' resync with ben_vulpes also. after http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-02#1831355 and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-25#1837688 haven't heard much. is this different from "i've found myself obscure rural church, much better republic for my needs than the genuine article" and if so, how ?
1845803;1535635088;a111;Logged on 2018-07-02 18:05 ben_vulpes: lords and ladies, june pizarro statement will be late; my wife is experiencing an all-consuming major depression that will take all of my attention going forward. i am working with mod6 and asciilifeform to ensure continuity at pizarro.
1845804;1535635088;a111;Logged on 2018-07-25 03:30 ben_vulpes: in unrelated http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-15#1656658 , ben_vulpes moving to texas to whip trinque's oarsmen, re-plumb engineroom, stand watch over gauges
1845805;1535635119;mircea_popescu;what are you working on, these days ? why do i have to ask this ? etc.
1845806;1535635299;mircea_popescu;an' finally, to be explicit rather than implicit : dear mats, while it's perfectly fine to be working with whichever lord you prefer to be working, if you don't enjoy working with me, but the place for that is in the respective castle.
1845807;1535635300;mircea_popescu;if i end up negrating you because i have nfi what you're doing, it's not strictly "mp is a meanie head" ; it can very well also be "i'm fucking terrible at communicating my position, end up run over by heavy machinery".
1845808;1535635371;mircea_popescu;the overarching point being that neither #trilema nor tmsr is a sort of dilbert-larping-zone, here for the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-29#1845588 "salaried zek" element to gather after hours, smoke, and predictably if circularly discuss how-stupid-everyone-but-us-is.
1845809;1535635371;a111;Logged on 2018-08-29 17:52 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-29#1845577 << usg.mortgage is a device for separating salaried zeks (engineers, law, etc) from their 'excess' fat. not for millenial pauper to borrow against... what, exactly. (maybe organs?)
1845810;1535636635;mircea_popescu;(for the curious : there's also a dilbert-for-women, there to make usg.womanhood palatable in the sense dilbert makes usg.corporatelife palatable. i suspect it might be a lot better illustration of wtf's wrong with "impotent cvasi-opposition" for boys, as they're not similarily conditioned and so lacking the pivots might even understand the workings of THAT hidden hand)
1845811;1535636674;mircea_popescu;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathy
1845812;1535639542;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-30#1845796 << plox to see log >> http://logs.bvulpes.com/eulora?d=2018-8-28#419866
1845813;1535639542;a111;Logged on 2018-08-30 13:09 mircea_popescu: get back to me, will ye ? what happened here ?
1845814;1535639543;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-08-28 14:02 lobbes: update: logz back up (but not updating with new lines) >> http://logs.minigame.biz/
1845815;1535639548;lobbes;I am close (hopefully by end of this weekend) to finishing the genesis for the 'logbot-command-router' (see also #t log) After which I will be migrating the #eulora logotron residing on heathen Edis vps to Pizarro shared hosting
1845816;1535639692;lobbes;The reason I am migrating, is contained in this thread >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-28#1845073
1845817;1535639692;a111;Logged on 2018-08-28 00:57 lobbes: my vps on edis which housed my old znc has been mysteriously unreachable for 12 hours. Of course, cannot easily get in contact with them
1845818;1535641124;lobbes;Summary of the above threads: Edis vps finally got back to me after ~16hrs downtime with lame excuse of "we had some issues we never communicated. We identified the issue tho. Sry for inconvenience". I said "fuck em'" and will be moving logs to pizarro once done with current $unrelated-item
1845819;1535644541;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/08/path-to-intel-management-engine-jtag-discovered/ << Qntra - Path To Intel Management Engine JTAG Discovered
1845820;1535647447;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2018/08/path-to-intel-management-engine-jtag-discovered/#comment-118071
1845821;1535647557;BingoBoingo; asciilifeform http://qntra.net/2018/08/path-to-intel-management-engine-jtag-discovered/#comment-118072
1845822;1535647565;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-30#1845810 << fwiw i saw it in newspaper in '90s, thing never made any sense
1845823;1535647565;a111;Logged on 2018-08-30 13:43 mircea_popescu: (for the curious : there's also a dilbert-for-women, there to make usg.womanhood palatable in the sense dilbert makes usg.corporatelife palatable. i suspect it might be a lot better illustration of wtf's wrong with "impotent cvasi-opposition" for boys, as they're not similarily conditioned and so lacking the pivots might even understand the workings of THAT hidden hand)
1845824;1535649857;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: the inane shit occupying my time instead of republican efforts is embarrassingly trivial, but since you ask: i'm moving to texas, and so now must wrap fence that was supposed to be a two-season relaxed affair by mid september; throw out a decade+ of crap that i shouldn't have been so lax as to let stick around in the first place, pack my whole existence into transpocubes, get it moved to the
1845825;1535649860;ben_vulpes;new destination, clean + lease the illiquid asset, and then set up shop in the new area
1845826;1535649968;ben_vulpes;days are mostly wake -> grind out food credits -> grind out more holes in ground -> sink posts -> fabricate and erect cladding -> sleep, with the occasional beer
1845827;1535650133;ben_vulpes;tenative schedule is to have current domus released by end of october and new digs established ~same time.
1845828;1535650279;ben_vulpes;i remain available and actively supporting mod6 and BingoBoingo when they need something from me on the pizarro front
1845829;1535652675;mircea_popescu;lobbes well so wait, working log delayed until (close, hopefully) completing bot rewrite ?
1845830;1535652699;mircea_popescu;this is a terrible arrangmeent, recall the onset of the (meanwhile, botched) pizarro wire/auction was a month ago, and waited for the same thing ?
1845831;1535652981;hanbot;meh. installing znc on piz's shared box was a breeze, but actually getting the thing to connect to irc turns out to be a royal pain in the ass.
1845832;1535652990;mircea_popescu;"<AlwaysHigh11> Ꮃⅰtһ оᥙr ІᖇᏟ ɑⅾ ѕᥱrⅴⅰⅽᥱ уo∪ саᥒ rеaϲһ a gⅼоbaⅼ audⅰᥱᥒϲᥱ ⲟf ᥱntrеⲣrеᥒе∪rѕ and fеntaᥒуⅼ ɑⅾⅾⅰctѕ witһ ᥱxtrɑοrdіnаrỿ еngaɡeⅿᥱnt rateѕⵑ httⲣs፡᜵／wⅰⅼlіɑmpіtсⲟⅽk．сοⅿ／" << meanwhile in dilbertism, the spamming moron club DIDN'T http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-14
1845833;1535652990;mircea_popescu;#1841508 because "that's hard" right, and instead fucking about with unicode to destroy the usual imperial http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-27#1491698 approach.
1845834;1535652990;a111;Logged on 2016-06-27 23:46 mircea_popescu: ethereum being "smart", it's not just mempool, but also cpupool. and the "soft fork" being essentially a "enumerate badness" attempt, you still gotta check and make sure tx isn't on the verboten list. which computation you do for free, because you believe in mit, socialism and buterin.
1845835;1535653036;mircea_popescu;because this is what the shit even exists FOR ; getting everyone to be a moron, only some with a positive and some with a negative inca outline is perfectly fine "getting everyone to be a moron" outcome, as far as inca's concerned.
1845836;1535653128;mircea_popescu;wut do ? wut do ? http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/ ; specifically : for as long as every moron thinks he can make his own decisions, ugs's the necessary end result.
1845837;1535653164;Mocky;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-14#1841508 ^unclipped
1845838;1535653164;a111;Logged on 2018-08-14 20:30 mircea_popescu: breifly back to phf 's discussion of r+ thing : i confess i mostly did it to encourage the "spammer" to put registration in. sadly... went instead the way of http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-08-13.log.html#t22:59:16
1845839;1535653178;mircea_popescu;hm ?
1845840;1535653205;mircea_popescu;ah ah
1845841;1535653210;mircea_popescu;ty!
1845842;1535653215;Mocky;np
1845843;1535653297;hanbot;and by "getting the thing to connect to irc" above i ofc mean to connect to freenode.
1845844;1535653313;mircea_popescu;hanbot i've yet to meet someone who had to connect to freenode and liked it.
1845845;1535653331;hanbot;heh
1845846;1535653333;Mocky;hanbot, i
1845847;1535653352;mircea_popescu;me jane ?
1845848;1535653364;Mocky;ve been thinking of setting up bouncer sincy my connection's been so iffy past week
1845849;1535653441;mircea_popescu;anyway, the odds are getting pretty good the "spammer"'s actually our good friends at http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-26#1844799
1845850;1535653441;a111;Logged on 2018-08-26 16:43 mircea_popescu: https://softserve.8ch.net/static/stim/c6feb79297b74e138bead1118e8afd13.png << meanwhile in lulz.
1845851;1535653461;mircea_popescu;because really, who besides usg tryna fuck up irc has any interest in collecting emails to use it ?
1845852;1535653490;hanbot;Mocky naturally if/when i figure the shit out i'll make a blogpost
1845853;1535653506;mircea_popescu;precisely in the vein of "the usual imperial approach", "get emails!!!!" is on some 3 ring binder at ft meade or something, by how fixated they are.
1845854;1535653546;mircea_popescu;WOOT! 29mn pop while i was bitching here! thanks god and Mocky 's bot!
1845855;1535653566;hanbot;congrats. ...bn?
1845856;1535653580;Mocky;grats on the tubers lol
1845857;1535653587;hanbot;oh nice.
1845858;1535653609;mircea_popescu;pretty sveet!
1845859;1535653830;mircea_popescu;they weigh... 310tons.
1845860;1535653866;mircea_popescu;and they're gonna make such a pile of gin...
1845861;1535653976;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-30#1845829 << -not- entire rewrite of auctionbot, but the smaller foundational item it will sit on >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-25#1844391
1845862;1535653976;a111;Logged on 2018-08-30 18:11 mircea_popescu: lobbes well so wait, working log delayed until (close, hopefully) completing bot rewrite ?
1845863;1535653976;a111;Logged on 2018-08-25 03:09 lobbes: in fact, was going to announce: I'm getting closer to finishing what will be a genesis for a 'logbot-command-router' in python that does the talking and listening with postgres (an older but relevant thread for context: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-29#1531123)
1845864;1535653980;lobbes;And really, I misspoke. Not completely $unrelated_item because I am going to use said item to also build the new #eulora logotron off of (existing logotron is fed from ZNC, which I'd like to remove from the equation entirely)
1845865;1535653994;mircea_popescu;ok, but the one missing item is the eta.
1845866;1535653994;lobbes;Still, I see what you mean. Was dumb of me to leave the 'legacy' logs dead in the water while folx wait for 'new and improved' logs. I'll work to get the legacy logs back to updating tonight.
1845867;1535654008;mircea_popescu;that'd be nice.
1845868;1535654078;lobbes;And if tonight doesnt happen for whatevereason, I'll give proper eta
1845869;1535654138;mircea_popescu;alright. there's nothing wrong with "well... item i was working to rewrite for the past x weeks and was going to have done in 1-3 more weeks decided to critically crap out today ; my choice is either to be down for the remainder 1-3 weeks or else to duplicate/waste an estimate of y hours of work to get the old shiot back up hopefully by z. god damn."
1845870;1535654156;mircea_popescu;in fact, there's everything right with it : both communicates reality and provides hooks for the rest to help.
1845871;1535654270;mircea_popescu;(i suspect, incidentally, that the above template is the #1 bane of republican effort in the years to come, chiefly because the #1 impedance mismatch we encounter is between uptime and rewrite, a manifestation of the old design-reality diphoria.)
1845872;1535654364;mircea_popescu;dysphoria*
1845873;1535654435;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-30#1845822 << you weren't in the demo.
1845874;1535654435;a111;Logged on 2018-08-30 16:46 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-30#1845810 << fwiw i saw it in newspaper in '90s, thing never made any sense
1845875;1535654483;mircea_popescu;kinda how the ideal failure mode of usg mind hooks goes : it's effectual for the intended target and meaningless for the rest. monsanto idealia.
1845876;1535654660;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-30#1845827 << well... april's a long way past october, so there is that.
1845877;1535654660;a111;Logged on 2018-08-30 17:28 ben_vulpes: tenative schedule is to have current domus released by end of october and new digs established ~same time.
1845878;1535654666;mircea_popescu;but anyway, dun sound like much fun, i hope you're at least making some dough out of all this.
1845879;1535654892;ben_vulpes;a bit, yeah. i've also lived in the same libtard shithole for nigh on three decades at this point; far past time to meet the rest of america.
1845880;1535654934;*;mircea_popescu is quite curious if this transparent trinque plan at starting a genuine fortress goes anywhere. 
1845881;1535655036;ben_vulpes;im also evaluating this claim that the lone star state is somehow not the same thin plastic veneer over zamac the rest of the country's made of. it at least has endogenous oil stores and the locals carry a reputation for being profit minded
1845882;1535655115;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes my first experience of texas was waking up in a small town which was having a ceremony that morning
1845883;1535655140;mircea_popescu;whereby the mayor was awarding whatever cert to an 80yo lady who, while the diner where she was eating was being robbed at gunpoint,
1845884;1535655153;mircea_popescu;pulled out an immense colt from her old lady purse and blew the kid's head all over the store.
1845885;1535655173;ben_vulpes;is this why you're always going on about san antonio?
1845886;1535655195;mircea_popescu;no, san antonio was next day.
1845887;1535655204;mircea_popescu;texas is surprisingly large for how large it is.
1845888;1535655210;ben_vulpes;pretty grade a story, am looking forward to meeting different americans
1845889;1535655217;mircea_popescu;san antonio was you know, proper champagne for breakfast on the riverwalk and things.
1845890;1535655274;ben_vulpes;north of california, west of the rockies the humanpaste is ~entirely undifferentiated, curious to see if this holds for louisiana, tx, fl.
1845891;1535655341;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in valuable crossposts, http://logs.bvulpes.com/eulora?d=2018-8-30#420740
1845892;1535655341;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-08-30 15:17 Mocky: as an aside, I discovered the rationale behind the need for CS threading library, and boost for that matter. i.e. that incoherent c++ memory model prevented reliable semantics for multi-threaded access beore c++11, so they rolled their own and in the process had to also roll compatible data structures
1845893;1535655416;ben_vulpes;and should it suck, well, i've at least snipped the girl's attachment to the easy comfortable lifestyle of the pacnw
1845894;1535655458;mircea_popescu;should it suck, you wanna try fortressing uruguay or hk/taiwan ?
1845895;1535655581;BingoBoingo;I hear good things about Santiago, Chile
1845896;1535655623;ben_vulpes;uruguay or sa most likely; while marseilles sounds lovely and i vastly prefer french to spanish it is unfortunately in france and so also the eu for the forseeable future. pretty fed up with not living near major airport hubs; access to surf also a criteria for expatquest
1845897;1535655643;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i believe there's costs to sending people alone, esp if the idea is they'll be forever alone. seems to me either strengthen outposts or start new ones ~very far away~. otherwise, you know what gerrimandering is ?
1845898;1535655664;mircea_popescu;we dun wanna gerrymander ourselves into oblivion.
1845899;1535655797;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Ah, this is true
1845900;1535655847;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes france is not nearly as much "in the eu" as you think, especially the occitan portion. morever, europe is tiny, vienna is a short drive away, the vienna of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-18#1842767 ; and then hungary and serbia and so on.
1845901;1535655847;a111;Logged on 2018-08-18 17:21 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/08/austria-raided-rogue-intelligence-agency-in-february/ << Qntra - Austria Raided Rogue Intelligence Agency In February
1845902;1535655877;mircea_popescu;moreover, housing much better and much cheaper than anywhere in the world, local transportation that actually works (srsly, two digit airfare across the continent sorta deals).
1845903;1535655886;mircea_popescu;if you've never lived in yurp it's not really something to pass on.
1845904;1535655959;ben_vulpes;huh cool!
1845905;1535656088;ben_vulpes;i'd written europe off largely on the basis of 'natoreich', but if there are habitable holes i'd rather live in stone than plastic
1845906;1535656126;mircea_popescu;well, "short drive". 800 or so miles, which to me still counts as "one day drive". as opposed to say 2.2k miles portland-austin.
1845907;1535656133;mircea_popescu;anyway, airfare actualy starts at 99.
1845908;1535656230;mircea_popescu;but the deep reasdon europe is tiny is because there's ~no wilderness, everything's built up, you can walk from town to town in less than a day without exception (this is not coincidental, either, but deliberate, civilisational checkmark at a time before train was "from church to church in one day", and applied as such on us east coast for instance). there's roads everywhere, they're reasonably good (certainly better than neg
1845909;1535656230;mircea_popescu;lected us infrastructure) and so on.
1845910;1535656270;diana_coman;except the Morandi bridge and possibly more of Italy from what I hear
1845911;1535656307;mircea_popescu;southern portions of italy were always dubiously in europe. but ye olde french, austrian an' german empires still work admirably well in this base sense.
1845912;1535656321;diana_coman;true
1845913;1535656350;mircea_popescu;whoa, it actually collapsed ?!
1845914;1535656355;mircea_popescu;jaysus.
1845915;1535656407;diana_coman;yes and ftr genoa is not even really southern
1845916;1535656446;mircea_popescu;ikr ? i... actually drove over that thing.
1845917;1535656498;diana_coman;I certainly went by car over it more than one time but years ago so...
1845918;1535656549;mircea_popescu;nuts. apparently it was a very shitty bridge, though i don't recall this being known/discussed at the time.
1845919;1535656552;mircea_popescu;the time being 90s.
1845920;1535656639;diana_coman;well, in italy discussion of everything that is shitty will never end so...
1845921;1535656664;diana_coman;there was some museum exhibit along the lines of why is italy shaped like a boot? because so much shit would never fit in a shoe
1845922;1535656745;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-30#1845884 << this is a beautiful anecdote
1845923;1535656745;a111;Logged on 2018-08-30 18:52 mircea_popescu: pulled out an immense colt from her old lady purse and blew the kid's head all over the store.
1845924;1535656778;mircea_popescu;diana_coman lmao! they have a point
1845925;1535656789;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-30#1845880 << it may just end up an orbital refueling station, but that'd be fine by me
1845926;1535656789;a111;Logged on 2018-08-30 18:48 mircea_popescu is quite curious if this transparent trinque plan at starting a genuine fortress goes anywhere. 
1845927;1535656790;mircea_popescu;trinque pretty sure i told it before ; but let me see if i can fish any texas stories from trilema.
1845928;1535656807;trinque;yep I recall it before in here
1845929;1535656987;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2009/protectia-sociala-un-comportament-antisocial/#selection-47.0-47.32 << if only we had a de-pdf-er, i could link that supreme court of texas item.
1845930;1535657132;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2010/povestea-soparlei/#selection-197.0-201.480 << original (2010) notation of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-30#1706588 story
1845931;1535657132;a111;Logged on 2017-08-30 20:19 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to illustrate the "10`001" species, did i ever recount the time my toilet was clogged... by an aligator ?
1845932;1535657151;mircea_popescu;including a very wtf'd me at encountering gecko (which has no scales, but plain skin)
1845933;1535657244;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2010/servicii-de-taximetrie/#selection-53.35-57.49 << me being very impressed with san antonio taxi service (i used to own a taxicab fleet, and im the curious and inquisitve fellow you all know and occasionally love, so it's not exactly amateur hour).
1845934;1535657370;mircea_popescu;aaand ye olde story of busride, http://trilema.com/2011/are-you-a-muslim/#selection-51.0-55.347 (though it says virginia, but im pretty sure it was actually southerner than that, retrospectively).
1845935;1535657443;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2011/radio-vocea-americii/#selection-25.0-33.296 << back when texas made it illegal "to touch private parts of a person as a precondition to transportation or access in a public place". 138-0.
1845936;1535657547;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2011/vindem-casa-fara-utilitati/#selection-51.0-51.121 << ancient map of houston, in article discussing how bucharest real estate idiots suck.
1845937;1535657580;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2011/amintiri-din-texas-partea-cu-poze/ << literally, "remembrances of texas, the pictures section"
1845938;1535657924;mircea_popescu;and here's a special offering for the rotaku club president, one alf : http://trilema.com/2011/cea-mai-faina-chestie-la-romania/#selection-55.0-59.608
1845939;1535657978;*;trinque will have going through these in just a bit, gotta afk for a while
1845940;1535657981;trinque;*fun
1845941;1535658223;mircea_popescu;(o and btw, that trilema header of a very young me lounging in a white suit on a bench outdoors, is very much on san antonio riverwalk, cca 2005)
1845942;1535658272;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2010/dau-o-suta-de-lei/ << lulzy check where ro kids couldn't guess the identity of a folgers' coffee can
1845943;1535658302;ben_vulpes;all of the pics redirect to random trilemaz
1845944;1535658323;mircea_popescu;and that'd be it for now.
1845945;1535658338;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes if you click them ? yeah, at the time trilema had a "premium" feature, you had to pay to get full size pics
1845946;1535658349;mircea_popescu;quit doing it but never bothered to undo the old ones...
1845947;1535658371;mircea_popescu;i suppose i shoulf fix this huh!
1845948;1535658377;mircea_popescu;brb.
1845949;1535658464;ben_vulpes;i recall this
1845950;1535658616;ben_vulpes;is associated in my head with a post i recall as "river of sluts", which i'm sure has an actual title.
1845951;1535659347;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes try now ?
1845952;1535659360;mircea_popescu;lol river of sluts.
1845953;1535659412;mircea_popescu;hey nicoleci here's something for your burning interest re "ye olde pr0n days", courtesy of the fellow engineers in #trilema, cuz if he'd never have asked i'd prolly never have released them : http://trilema.com/2011/nsfw-gradina-edenului/
1845954;1535659427;ben_vulpes;works now
1845955;1535659429;mircea_popescu;and ftr they're not sluts, they're just normal adolescent girls. FROM EUROPE
1845956;1535659440;mircea_popescu;which is a nice place for a good reason. this being the reason.
1845957;1535659518;ben_vulpes;ah teh barge
1845958;1535659575;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in reminescences, http://trilema.com/paid-content/2012/timisoara-si-zapada-1.jpg http://trilema.com/paid-content/2012/timisoara-si-zapada-13.jpg HOLYSHIT SNOW
1845959;1535659650;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/fotodocument-ninsoarea-continua/ << sauce.
1845960;1535659660;lobbes;http://trilema.com/2010/dau-o-suta-de-lei/ << "Lowell, Mass, 2005" still weird to think that mp was at one point ~1.5hrs away from 17 y/o lobbes (who, at the time, was probably busy picking nose and "making flash websites"). Ah wasted youth
1845961;1535659692;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/paid-content/2010/graffiti_cr1.jpg << and from back when i was gay...
1845962;1535659720;mircea_popescu;lobbes nuts huh!
1845963;1535659792;mircea_popescu;but, in fairness, mp of 15 years ago was also somewhat different beast.
1845964;1535659910;mircea_popescu;and an item speshul for mocky's recent : http://trilema.com/2011/va-plac-masinile/#selection-61.59-61.68
1845965;1535661527;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2009/politica-pe-inteles/ << and the final bit in this lengthy enumeration, 2009 piece on politics saying... ~same things. except "Pana cand internetul va ajunge la nivelul de dezvoltare tehnologica care sa permita in sfarsit renuntarea definitiva la sistemul reprezentativ, " (aka, "until the internet will reach the level of development that'll allow the permanent dropping of the representative system") mea
1845966;1535661527;mircea_popescu;nwhile covered by http://trilema.com/2018/how-things-have-changed/
1845967;1535664989;Mocky;mircea_popescu, was there an ro trilema piece about games of either balance or catch? iirc i couldn't make heads or tail of the auto translation some months ago
1845968;1535665074;ben_vulpes;Mocky: "reach and balance"?
1845969;1535665079;ben_vulpes;"fucking, a guide"
1845970;1535667379;mircea_popescu;haha, yeah.
1845971;1535667391;mircea_popescu;apparently, one of the more famous pieces.
1845972;1535670018;diana_coman;none of the links on bimbo.club work for me -> I can't leave a comment
1845973;1535670625;mircea_popescu;sounds like she fixed it alright
1845974;1535673122;*;asciilifeform back from sea , to console
1845975;1535673188;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-30#1845824 << this is puzzling, why build fence around ~old~ house
1845976;1535673188;a111;Logged on 2018-08-30 17:24 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: the inane shit occupying my time instead of republican efforts is embarrassingly trivial, but since you ask: i'm moving to texas, and so now must wrap fence that was supposed to be a two-season relaxed affair by mid september; throw out a decade+ of crap that i shouldn't have been so lax as to let stick around in the first place, pack my whole existence into transpocubes, get it moved to the
1845977;1535673270;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-30#1845832 << gotta luvvv how uniturd gives , what , 17 different glyph-~identical 'letter a', simply so that this can exist
1845978;1535673270;a111;Logged on 2018-08-30 18:16 mircea_popescu: "<AlwaysHigh11> Ꮃⅰtһ оᥙr ІᖇᏟ ɑⅾ ѕᥱrⅴⅰⅽᥱ уo∪ саᥒ rеaϲһ a gⅼоbaⅼ audⅰᥱᥒϲᥱ ⲟf ᥱntrеⲣrеᥒе∪rѕ and fеntaᥒуⅼ ɑⅾⅾⅰctѕ witһ ᥱxtrɑοrdіnаrỿ еngaɡeⅿᥱnt rateѕⵑ httⲣs፡᜵／wⅰⅼlіɑmpіtсⲟⅽk．сοⅿ／" << meanwhile in dilbertism, the spamming moron club DIDN'T http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-14
1845979;1535673310;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-30#1845843 << iirc 100% of the remaining fleanode boxen insist on the ssl liquishit
1845980;1535673310;a111;Logged on 2018-08-30 18:21 hanbot: and by "getting the thing to connect to irc" above i ofc mean to connect to freenode.
1845981;1535673484;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-30#1845869 << i solved this by biting the bullet and actually baking a desk clone of phuctor
1845982;1535673484;a111;Logged on 2018-08-30 18:35 mircea_popescu: alright. there's nothing wrong with "well... item i was working to rewrite for the past x weeks and was going to have done in 1-3 more weeks decided to critically crap out today ; my choice is either to be down for the remainder 1-3 weeks or else to duplicate/waste an estimate of y hours of work to get the old shiot back up hopefully by z. god damn."
1845983;1535673491;asciilifeform;'staging box' for newstuff
1845984;1535673516;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-30#1845879 << somehow i thought ben_vulpes was originally from nyc..?
1845985;1535673516;a111;Logged on 2018-08-30 18:48 ben_vulpes: a bit, yeah. i've also lived in the same libtard shithole for nigh on three decades at this point; far past time to meet the rest of america.
1845986;1535673663;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-30#1845908 << belarusia still has the primeval forest -- a+++ partizan terrain
1845987;1535673663;a111;Logged on 2018-08-30 19:10 mircea_popescu: but the deep reasdon europe is tiny is because there's ~no wilderness, everything's built up, you can walk from town to town in less than a day without exception (this is not coincidental, either, but deliberate, civilisational checkmark at a time before train was "from church to church in one day", and applied as such on us east coast for instance). there's roads everywhere, they're reasonably good (certainly better than neg
1845988;1535673704;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-30#1845918 << догоним и перегоним америку (tm)(r)
1845989;1535673704;a111;Logged on 2018-08-30 19:15 mircea_popescu: nuts. apparently it was a very shitty bridge, though i don't recall this being known/discussed at the time.
1845990;1535673760;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-30#1845890 << florida is a shithole born of the dreams of new england mediocre, and populated by the offspring of bartenders and strippers.
1845991;1535673760;a111;Logged on 2018-08-30 18:54 ben_vulpes: north of california, west of the rockies the humanpaste is ~entirely undifferentiated, curious to see if this holds for louisiana, tx, fl.
1845992;1535673819;trinque;"nawlens" might be worth a peek, pockets of authentic weird still lurking about.
1845993;1535673830;asciilifeform;trinque: i thought it had drowned?
1845994;1535673844;trinque;eh they're used to it
1845995;1535674090;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-30#1845958 << oh hah the mega-plaza. they repainted the old habsburg houses there, btw, not long ago, just as i was there
1845996;1535674090;a111;Logged on 2018-08-30 20:06 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in reminescences, http://trilema.com/paid-content/2012/timisoara-si-zapada-1.jpg http://trilema.com/paid-content/2012/timisoara-si-zapada-13.jpg HOLYSHIT SNOW
1845997;1535674101;asciilifeform;they're a bright blue nao
1845998;1535674726;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-30#1845938 << this supposed untranslatability of ro, is illusory imho, translates just fine to ru and prolly other civilized tongues
1845999;1535674726;a111;Logged on 2018-08-30 19:38 mircea_popescu: and here's a special offering for the rotaku club president, one alf : http://trilema.com/2011/cea-mai-faina-chestie-la-romania/#selection-55.0-59.608
1846000;1535674820;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-30#1845959 << funnily enuff, i think i recognize all of the backgrounds..
1846001;1535674820;a111;Logged on 2018-08-30 20:07 mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/fotodocument-ninsoarea-continua/ << sauce.
1846002;1535675925;asciilifeform;http://logs.bvulpes.com/eulora?d=2018-8-30#420850 << afaik ~nobody any moar has the jre horror, not even the saddest crapple folx, ~entirely abolished
1846003;1535675925;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-08-30 18:24 mircea_popescu: that even runs in most browsers, does it ? .jre thing ?
1846004;1535677410;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-31#1845990 << this is possibly the most fitting description of that state I've ever read.
1846005;1535677410;a111;Logged on 2018-08-31 00:02 trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-30#1845890 << florida is a shithole born of the dreams of new england mediocre, and populated by the offspring of bartenders and strippers.
1846006;1535679189;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-30#1845983 <<< kinda how minigame ended up with 2nd box
1846007;1535679189;a111;Logged on 2018-08-30 23:58 asciilifeform: 'staging box' for newstuff
1846008;1535679241;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-31#1845994 << lol, drowned like the gypsy starved.
1846009;1535679241;a111;Logged on 2018-08-31 00:04 trinque: eh they're used to it
1846010;1535679245;mircea_popescu;not fatal.
1846011;1535682239;ben_vulpes;trinque: hey i like finding shitty bars in shitty neighborhoods and talking up the locals; don't want to live there
1846012;1535682325;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i would like to pen the pets, this isn't quite the free-range wild wild west where i can brand them and expect them back later in the week
1846013;1535682337;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-30#1845900 << imho serb outpost would rock
1846014;1535682337;a111;Logged on 2018-08-30 19:04 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes france is not nearly as much "in the eu" as you think, especially the occitan portion. morever, europe is tiny, vienna is a short drive away, the vienna of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-18#1842767 ; and then hungary and serbia and so on.
1846015;1535682375;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes pen wut ?!
1846016;1535682391;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc he keeps dogs
1846017;1535682403;ben_vulpes;children too
1846018;1535682406;asciilifeform;the kind with legs
1846019;1535682409;ben_vulpes;well one
1846020;1535682419;mircea_popescu;my confusion persists.
1846021;1535682468;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu hails from lands where the children roam free, are eventually returned to their parents, right?
1846022;1535682473;mircea_popescu;oh oh, i see, someone's gonna TAKE them.
1846023;1535682492;ben_vulpes;aha, "child protective services"
1846024;1535682518;mircea_popescu;the notion that anyone'd want someone else's kids is not unlike the notion someone'd want someone else's mortgage, used tp, etc.
1846025;1535682520;mircea_popescu;not bloody likely.
1846026;1535682528;asciilifeform;iirc they have this 'feature' in all 50 states
1846027;1535682533;asciilifeform;even texas.
1846028;1535682547;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform afaik in texas it's "except if kid has red ryder"
1846029;1535682566;ben_vulpes;oh no, this is a statal bezzle where the local cps takes "at risk" children and sells them to "foster care". statal human trafficking ring.
1846030;1535682574;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not humans. usg stormtroopers. take, and feed to.
1846031;1535682588;asciilifeform;well, i'll let ben_vulpes describe, to what.
1846032;1535682599;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform state, not federal.
1846033;1535682611;asciilifeform;big diff?
1846034;1535682624;mircea_popescu;well yes.
1846035;1535682634;asciilifeform;fed funding.
1846036;1535682648;mircea_popescu;omfg bimbo can voice self ?!
1846037;1535682651;ben_vulpes;i also happen to enjoy my privacy.
1846038;1535682653;ben_vulpes;it speaks!
1846039;1535682682;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: q was why build fence at ~old~ house. or did i misread
1846040;1535682687;mircea_popescu;how do you like the republican corporate environment, ho ?
1846041;1535682752;nicoleci;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-30#1845972, i had to because im sorry - i must have broken something. went back to the previous version..
1846042;1535682752;a111;Logged on 2018-08-30 23:00 diana_coman: none of the links on bimbo.club work for me -> I can't leave a comment
1846043;1535682752;lobbesbot;nicoleci: Sent 3 days, 22 hours, and 1 minute ago: <BingoBoingo> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/8O0EO/?raw=true << Your wordpress login
1846044;1535682765;nicoleci;ah sorry, you can try now
1846045;1535682855;nicoleci;mircea_popescu, its been another adventure :)
1846046;1535682880;asciilifeform;oh hey is this the accountant chix
1846047;1535682887;mircea_popescu;lol check her out, all like upbeat and shit.
1846048;1535682890;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: ah ah, well i started on the fence *first* and then i decided to move.
1846049;1535682912;nicoleci;asciilifeform, not exactly but sure lol
1846050;1535682919;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: why not let new owner build it, lol
1846051;1535682929;mircea_popescu;nicoleci i thought you were a pisicologist.
1846052;1535682948;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: not selling, leasing on, incomplete upgrades are a pretty serious ding in negotiation.
1846053;1535682961;mircea_popescu;wait, you actually own it ?!
1846054;1535682973;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: hire mexican to finish it ?
1846055;1535682992;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i don't think he can find a cheaper mexican than ben_vulpes
1846056;1535683016;asciilifeform;lol
1846057;1535683045;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: has it
1846058;1535683067;mircea_popescu;aren't taxes a wonderful thing.
1846059;1535683086;*;mircea_popescu warmly recommends slave labour, but i guess ben_vulpes stronghold not quite there yet
1846060;1535683197;nicoleci;mircea_popescu, well yes Master but you introduced me to the field...lol
1846061;1535683219;mircea_popescu;wait, which field ?! accountancy ?
1846062;1535683234;nicoleci;mircea_popescu, <mircea_popescu> nicoleci i thought you were a pisicologist.
1846063;1535683240;mircea_popescu;lmao
1846064;1535683301;ben_vulpes;wives are chattel property!
1846065;1535683312;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-31#1845998 << sure, but this relies on the myth anyone speaks ru.
1846066;1535683312;a111;Logged on 2018-08-31 00:18 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-30#1845938 << this supposed untranslatability of ro, is illusory imho, translates just fine to ru and prolly other civilized tongues
1846067;1535683332;ben_vulpes;girl in question has been admirably sinking holes, casting posts, hanging cladding.
1846068;1535683352;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: coupla folx do speak, lol
1846069;1535683362;mircea_popescu;:p
1846070;1535683380;ben_vulpes;ooh ooh; pisicologist ~='cuntologist'?
1846071;1535683394;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes yes but the idea is to have one in latex supervising 2-3 in the buff!
1846072;1535683395;asciilifeform;neh that'd be pizdo-
1846073;1535683408;asciilifeform;pisica -- cat
1846074;1535683420;asciilifeform;the kind with 4 leg
1846075;1535683456;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's a wordplay on pisi (which, http://trilema.com/2014/the-romanian-language-for-other-people/#selection-39.0-41.1 etc, ro word for pleasant young whore) and psycho.
1846076;1535683464;asciilifeform;or, mircea_popescu , also incl with 2 ?
1846077;1535683467;asciilifeform;aaa
1846078;1535683520;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2016/pisi-dot-ar-y-otras-temas/ prolly better refpoint.
1846079;1535683627;asciilifeform;lol that thing!
1846080;1535683688;mats;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-30#1845806 i don't have an issue working with anybody in here
1846081;1535683688;a111;Logged on 2018-08-30 13:21 mircea_popescu: an' finally, to be explicit rather than implicit : dear mats, while it's perfectly fine to be working with whichever lord you prefer to be working, if you don't enjoy working with me, but the place for that is in the respective castle.
1846082;1535685349;ben_vulpes;http://mycadia.com/ << "synthetic brands to sell synthetic food to synthetic people"
1846083;1535687053;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2011/are-you-a-muslim/#comment-49071 << this i totally gotta resurect. "In the quaint words of the virgin Mari, 'Ÿ can not begÿn to ÿllustrate the ÿmmensÿti of the fuck Ÿ do not gÿve.' "
1846084;1535687407;Mocky;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-30#1845961 >> those glasses though!
1846085;1535687407;a111;Logged on 2018-08-30 20:08 mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/paid-content/2010/graffiti_cr1.jpg << and from back when i was gay...
1846086;1535687417;mircea_popescu;ikr ?
1846087;1535688315;mircea_popescu;http://www.ilblogdellestelle.it/ << i dunno if anyone knows about this lulzy italian... "movement" ? basically, a 60yo comedian joined up with an online advertising "strategist" and created a haphazardly dysfunctional http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-in-argentina-exactly-nothing-to-do-with-the-derps/#selection-197.0-197.39 which nevertheless coallesced a fifth or so of the italian voting public.
1846088;1535688338;mircea_popescu;anyway, it's the lulz of all time.
1846089;1535688735;ben_vulpes;horee shit mircea_popescu in stunna shades will wonders never cease
1846090;1535689152;mats;as for the tls collection work, i purchased a 4tb hdd feralhosting box and walked the various Certificate Transparency log servers https://www.gstatic.com/ct/log_list/log_list.json using https://github.com/CaliDog/Axeman to yield ~1tb / 400mn+ certs after deduplication
1846091;1535689874;mircea_popescu;mats what's next on yer plate ?
1846092;1535689881;mats;if you want to do your own analysis, you can download a compressed tarball of the csv i created for your convenience here http://merr.ourea.feralhosting.com/ct.csv.tar.gz with the rows n,e,pem_cert (you'll have to prepend&append "-----BEGIN CERTIFICATE-----\n", "\n-----END CERTIFICATE-----" to this field). i would grab this sooner than later, bill payment for this box stops Sep21
1846093;1535689919;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes wonders will crease!
1846094;1535689929;mircea_popescu;both in&de
1846095;1535689968;mats;i neglected to parse for extended attributes, so i expect this csv will come in handy sooner rather than later. the n will aid a faster zgrep, sorry for the trouble
1846096;1535690187;mats;mircea_popescu: over the next couple months, i'm going to reproduce the esp8266 experiment linked yesterday, and try to identify an even lower usable power state
1846097;1535690344;mircea_popescu;not bad. got a blog going yet ?
1846098;1535690431;mats;depending on how that goes, i'll explore different power plants, and if THAT goes well, there's a gnat port to build future ffa-gossipd
1846099;1535690480;mats;no, not yet.
1846100;1535690514;mircea_popescu;so make one, that way you have where to put the story of that attempt, and we have what to link against.
1846101;1535690547;deedbot;http://thewhet.net/2018/08/hanbots-znc-bouncer-notes/ << The Whet - hanbot's ZNC bouncer notes
1846102;1535690556;mats;you got it
1846103;1535690565;hanbot;^ of possible Mocky interest
1846104;1535690601;Mocky;thx! will take a look
1846105;1535690843;Mocky;'depilation treatment' lol
1846106;1535690902;mircea_popescu;that said, some field investigation of powerplants is actually quite sorely needed. i suspect there's a decent gap between words online and objects the chinese ship, exactly in the vein of hanbot 's story above.
1846107;1535691053;mircea_popescu;"what ~exactly~ can be had from https://www.amazon.com/Glamorway-TEC1-12706-Thermoelectric-Cooling-Peltier/dp/B00IKDL22O or https://www.amazon.com/AOSHIKE-Polycrystalline-Silicon-Photovoltaic-Charger/ in the woods behind my house / on the roof of my windowsil" etc entirely not wasted effort.
1846108;1535691360;mats;for the record, vultr and feralhosting were uncooperative regarding abuse complaints
1846109;1535691370;mats;scaleway didn't give me any lip tho
1846110;1535691550;mircea_popescu;who the hell would complain ?!
1846111;1535691674;mats;koreans
1846112;1535691732;mats;http://archive.is/2923P#selection-9.1294-9.1761 << i got half a dozen of these sorts
1846113;1535691751;mats;cause knocking on the door is criminal, or something
1846114;1535693001;mircea_popescu;nutty
1846115;1535693039;mircea_popescu;wait, wtf sql injection ? you were getting certs or ?
1846116;1535693077;mircea_popescu;um... you did this in...  2016 ?!
1846117;1535693373;mats;sorry for the confusion, i got similar complaints for doing the ipv4 ssh/http/https/ssl scans
1846118;1535693471;mats;thats not my complaint above, just has identical wording. i can't see the original complaints, as accounts were banned by the various providers
1846119;1535693871;mats;oops - ssh/http/tls
1846120;1535696287;mircea_popescu;ah
1846121;1535720796;lobbes;!Qlater tell mircea_popescu #e logs are updating again >> http://logs.minigame.biz/latest.log.html
1846122;1535720797;lobbesbot;lobbes: The operation succeeded.
1846123;1535721316;lobbes;so I have a question for the more experienced server operators out there: As of yesterday I found that I can no longer ssh into my rockchip (eggog: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/PKeSK/?raw=true)
1846124;1535721324;lobbes;In addition: any attempts at reaching the www results in 403 errors.. (http://blog.lobbesblog.com/)
1846125;1535721332;lobbes;the weird thing (to me), is that it seems that I can -only- connect on port 5000 (which is the port I configured ZNC to use and the port through which I am speaking through -right now-)
1846126;1535721441;lobbes;any ideas from anyone will be appreciated. I suspect znc is the culprit (problem started after setting that up) but I can't even diagnose without getting into the thing
1846127;1535721469;*;lobbes off to sit on stake for 8 hours. bbl
1846128;1535721490;BingoBoingo;lobbes: Do you want me to check your sshd_config?
1846129;1535721521;asciilifeform;lobbes: loox like you zapped your pubkey somehow ?
1846130;1535721534;asciilifeform;( or chmodded it so cannot load )
1846131;1535721627;asciilifeform;lobbes: rockchip boxen do not have vga/kbd consoles. so if this is so, the only way to recover your unit is to move the disk to another box and manually enable pw'd root login
1846132;1535721628;BingoBoingo;I got hit with that error yesterday, rockchip was unresponsive to pings. Ended up pulling the drive, going over sshd_cofig and power cycling my Rockchip
1846133;1535721650;asciilifeform;folx, make separate user for znc
1846134;1535721669;asciilifeform;( with /sbin/nologin as shell )
1846135;1535721718;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: plox cure lobbes's rk . but in the future, this will prolly have to cost something, as it uses hands.
1846136;1535721754;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the quickest cure is simply to walk there and unplug his mains, and stick the disk in your lappy.
1846137;1535721778;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: That's what I did on mine.
1846138;1535721833;BingoBoingo;lobbes is the D machine?
1846139;1535721873;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: .194 is A, ... 199 : F
1846140;1535722057;BingoBoingo;Aite, going to caffinate a bit more. I would like to wait for lobbes to confirm the order.
1846141;1535722173;asciilifeform;aite
1846142;1535723762;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/08/new-york-jewtropolis-name-live-on-snapchat-zillow-other-sites-briefly/ << Qntra - New York 'Jewtropolis' Name Live On SnapChat, Zillow, Other Sites Briefly
1846143;1535725546;lobbes;BingoBoingo, asciilifeform: sry about the radio silence; was in transit to $saltmines. I can confirm I'm fine with BingoBoingo working his magic on the box (Im also fine with the idea of paying a 'service fee', this was most likely my doing)
1846144;1535725628;BingoBoingo;lobbes: ty, will head down soon then. Got another Qntra to squeeze out.
1846145;1535725628;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-31#1846134 << aha, while I did make a seperate user for znc.. I did not do the sbin/nologin as shell. Will make this standard practice going forward
1846146;1535725628;a111;Logged on 2018-08-31 13:21 asciilifeform: ( with /sbin/nologin as shell )
1846147;1535725668;lobbes;BingoBoingo: take yer time. Im stuck in $mines for the next 7 hours or so anyways
1846148;1535725682;lobbes;But also: ty
1846149;1535725901;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2018/08/usg-lawyer-changes-story-in-appellate-trial-7-years-after-case-started-working-through-courts/ << Qntra - USG Lawyer Changes Story In Appellate Trial, 7 Years After Case Started Working Through Courts
1846150;1535726651;Mocky;BingoBoingo, "to play *be* its own rulebook"
1846151;1535726693;BingoBoingo;Mocky: ty fxd
1846152;1535730869;mircea_popescu;http://logs.bvulpes.com/eulora?d=2018-8-31#421453 << i had nfi muslims are that into micromanagement.
1846153;1535730869;lobbesbot;mircea_popescu: Sent 2 hours and 47 minutes ago: <lobbes> #e logs are updating again >> http://logs.minigame.biz/latest.log.html
1846154;1535730869;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-08-31 13:35 rkta: Αⅼlаh iѕ dഠiᥒɡ
1846155;1535730870;lobbesbot;mircea_popescu: Sent 36 minutes ago: <Mocky> http://logs.bvulpes.com/eulora?d=2018-8-31#421381 << we're on the same page. bot looks for You practiced Gathering but you don't seem to get any better at it. in fact, looks only for You practiced
1846156;1535730870;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-08-31 06:35 mircea_popescu: Mocky i realise now i misspoke ; the idea is for the bot to stop when it sees the "you gain experience but don't seem to improve" message ; not when you level up a skill
1846157;1535730941;BingoBoingo;  lobbes: Looks from here like you are good to go
1846158;1535731034;mircea_popescu;o btw re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828392 : ever screened http://trilema.com/2011/cel-mai-bun-film/#selection-55.0-55.14 for her ? it occurs to me it's possibly the best resource for student, genuine work of art, simplest language i can imagine.
1846159;1535731034;a111;Logged on 2018-06-21 19:00 asciilifeform: asciilifeform's pet is working through learning ru, and periodically succumbs to temptation of google translate as 'learning tool', with predictably lulzy result
1846160;1535731520;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-31#1846134 << this. znc has no business sharing your user, and ESPECIALLY not root.
1846161;1535731520;a111;Logged on 2018-08-31 13:21 asciilifeform: ( with /sbin/nologin as shell )
1846162;1535731699;asciilifeform;ohai mircea_popescu
1846163;1535731709;*;mircea_popescu wavws
1846164;1535731722;asciilifeform;re znc -- it's a terrifying crock o'shit, but afaik there's no working replacement of yet
1846165;1535731755;asciilifeform;fwiw i configged mine without the www plugin, but was a while ago
1846166;1535731789;mircea_popescu;we seem to be collecting these.
1846167;1535731917;asciilifeform;the sad part, it doesn't even do very much, could prolly be replaced with slightly refined trinqueian irc bot
1846168;1535731933;asciilifeform;( tho znc does dance the fleanode-demanded ssl crapola dance )
1846169;1535731940;mircea_popescu;i expect, yes. 99% of the function is basically an irc proxy ; i expect 99% of the code is other dumb shit
1846170;1535731963;asciilifeform;aha, proxy/reconnector + buncha ???? ( www configurator, fuckknowswhatelse )
1846171;1535731994;mod6;Ok, so this whole pricing thing with Pizarro.  (Thread begins here: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-8-31#419975).  We've been discussing this for a few days now.  And anyone who has month-to-month service has been made correct in their pricing for August, as well as anyone who has established new "Shared Hosting" in August (nicoleci).
1846172;1535731994;mircea_popescu;evidently a lot of republicans, and even a bunch of lords use, so it'd be entirely not wasted effort if someone wants to flatten the ircbot into this role.
1846173;1535732015;mircea_popescu;especiallty considering most people who run a bot also want a znc -- if most people who want a znc get a free bot in the process it won't hurt anything.
1846174;1535732031;asciilifeform;i set up a znc box in '16, has been working since ~continuously ( moved 1ce, disk burned out 1nce )
1846175;1535732078;asciilifeform;you give it a user, /sbin/nologin, put the thing itself in cron @reboot , that's it
1846176;1535732097;mod6;There are five (I previously thought there were four) accounts that have longer dated contracts, people who have signed up for a full year, or multiple months.  We want to compensate those accounts for a mis-pricing posted since May 29th.  The idea was to credit them 0.001 BTC/mo for June, July, and August.
1846177;1535732195;mod6;Initially, I thought this was the right approach.  But also could see that maybe, this wasn't square enough for longer dated contracts.  However, this sets a bad precedent of reprincing active contracts if pricing or circumstances change.
1846178;1535732229;mod6;mircea_popescu, for instance is paying for one of these for Mocky.
1846179;1535732299;mod6;This one was setup on May 3rd, and goes through the end of 2018.
1846180;1535732318;mircea_popescu;mod6 i really wouldn't bother ; prices can fluctuate, it's the nature of the beast, what are youi going to do, liquify all contracts and keep track of back and forth movements ? it's insanity.
1846181;1535732327;mircea_popescu;the only thing it does is make accounting overexpensive.
1846182;1535732356;mod6;I agree, it makes everything a nightmare really.
1846183;1535732358;mircea_popescu;people sign up for what they sign up for ; if that changes it's one thing to give them the more favourable price going forward ; but you can't do this retroactive thing ?
1846184;1535732400;mod6;I can see that too, Sir.  I just wanna make sure we're doing the Right Thing (tm).
1846185;1535732490;mircea_popescu;you seriously can't be sitting there spending hours on this pennies thing.
1846186;1535732501;trinque;if you're trying to guard reputation, all you need to do is communicate clearly about the mechanism, and be done with it.
1846187;1535732514;trinque;and then yeah, go get some ads up or something much more important
1846188;1535732535;mod6;trinque: Thank you, fair enough.
1846189;1535732541;mircea_popescu;it seriously can not be worth your time, this. i mean we're talking 0.001 or something ? 'cmon.
1846190;1535732562;mod6;Fair point, I just didn't want to judge if how much someones money is worth to them outright.
1846191;1535732571;mod6;Without some considedration, anyway.
1846192;1535732577;trinque;speaking for myself, I'm gonna be way crankier if I've got 0.3BTC of hardware down there that's suddenly homeless
1846193;1535732585;trinque;than over w/e beer money on the shared hosting
1846194;1535732586;mircea_popescu;for one thing.
1846195;1535732604;mircea_popescu;for the other fucking thing -- suppose the price went the OTHER way. what, you're gonna hit everyone with pesky small extra bills ?
1846196;1535732622;mod6;True enough.
1846197;1535732623;mircea_popescu;people who don't want long term contracts, ie don't want the fx risk, don't get long term contracts. it's that simple really.
1846198;1535732637;mod6;*nod* agreed,
1846199;1535732643;mod6;s/,/./
1846200;1535732690;mod6;Well with that, I'm glad I brought this up in here.  The guidence is going to be: Pizarro won't do anything at this time for existing contracts.  Upon renewal, you'll pay the posted price.
1846201;1535732691;mircea_popescu;as i'm 100% certain i'd have rejected a bill with the heading "see mp, it's more expensive nao than when we shook hands", i'm correspondingly 100% certain i don't care what happened. cuz that's why i'd have rejected it, "i don't care what happened".
1846202;1535732712;mod6;Right.
1846203;1535732751;mod6;I think I just needed some setting straight.  I appreciate that.
1846204;1535732766;mircea_popescu;dun mention it.
1846205;1535732771;mod6;o7
1846206;1535733404;diana_coman;mod6, as pizarro customer on a year-long contract I can confirm I do *not want* anything to be done; one upside of going longterm is precisely that it's set for some time and it doesn't require any additional ongoing attention essentially
1846207;1535733439;mod6;Hi diana_coman!  Thank you for your feedback.
1846208;1535733514;hanbot;hey mod6, all this talk about znc being a crock and so on is a little unnerving. did http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-8-30#420622 change in meanwhile? anything you'd like me to do?
1846209;1535733514;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-08-30 00:31 hanbot: q for the management --can i set up znc on UY3?
1846210;1535733578;mod6;Hi, I've always stayed clear of znc, so have never used it myself.  Let me take a look at what asciilifeform said above.
1846211;1535733746;mod6;Regardless, we trust you to set it up and manage it -- It may be reasonable to find an alternative if one comes around that's suitble.
1846212;1535733851;mod6;In your blog, you point out that you are using xchat.  For me, since I use irssi (this might be helpful to others on the shared-environemt), it could be started up in a screen session, and simply ssh in attach your screen (or tmux?) to irc.
1846213;1535733893;mod6;Or even a rockchip could be a good home for a remote irc boxen.
1846214;1535734086;mod6;asciilifeform is our resident expert on these matters; are we still ok to let users run znc (at least for now)?
1846215;1535734088;mircea_popescu;i suppose putting together a standard ircing recipe can't hurt anything
1846216;1535734107;asciilifeform;mod6: znc (or whatever else) on rk box is between user and his gods
1846217;1535734120;mod6;sure, but what about UY1?
1846218;1535734125;asciilifeform;mod6: if on the shared machine, gotta avoid stepping on one another's feet, say which port you're gonna listen on
1846219;1535734146;asciilifeform;( say in #p , or here, but so as next user knows what ports in use )
1846220;1535734148;asciilifeform;this is elementaryt
1846221;1535734151;asciilifeform;*elementary
1846222;1535734160;mod6;Aha. hanbot did give us her port number
1846223;1535734165;*;mod6 digs up log-link
1846224;1535734170;asciilifeform;so then where is problem
1846225;1535734192;mod6;She's just making sure, since you noted what a pile of garbage it is.
1846226;1535734233;asciilifeform;it's a pile of shit, just like emacs, kernel, gcc, all the rest of the sad sack of shit errybody is stuck using.
1846227;1535734242;asciilifeform;set it up once, pour cement, leave it alone.
1846228;1535734258;mod6;here's that link: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-8-31#421340
1846229;1535734258;mimisbrunnr;Logged on 2018-08-31 04:22 hanbot: i've got znc running on UY1:50321, ftr.
1846230;1535734272;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform prolly publish your recipe.
1846231;1535734303;asciilifeform;this sounds like a local port
1846232;1535734308;asciilifeform;i.e. cannot connect from outside
1846233;1535734317;asciilifeform;hanbot: this actually worked ?
1846234;1535734326;hanbot;yes, am connected thusly atm.
1846235;1535734331;mircea_popescu;lmao
1846236;1535734331;asciilifeform;neato.
1846237;1535734341;mircea_popescu;i thought ports that high weren't forwarded.
1846238;1535734359;asciilifeform;mod6: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_local_reserved_ports on uy box plox
1846239;1535734365;mod6;Sure
1846240;1535734386;mod6;0x0a
1846241;1535734403;asciilifeform;i.e. nil
1846242;1535734409;mod6;yup
1846243;1535734411;asciilifeform;apparently not set by default on recent linuxen
1846244;1535734412;mircea_popescu;yeah but upstream ? impressivbe.
1846245;1535734422;asciilifeform;i see no particular reason to care
1846246;1535734428;mircea_popescu;me either. just, not what i remembered.
1846247;1535734438;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: traditionally >=32768 aha
1846248;1535734450;mircea_popescu;right. i had no idea they even route.
1846249;1535734463;asciilifeform;0..65535 routs.
1846250;1535734472;asciilifeform;linux traditionally had a cutoff where 'localhost only'
1846251;1535734478;asciilifeform;above 32k.
1846252;1535734538;asciilifeform;it's convention, is all, the high ports were reserved for the local ends of tcp pipes
1846253;1535734641;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: seems like hanbot already posted working recipe.
1846254;1535734646;*;asciilifeform just nao read
1846255;1535734667;mircea_popescu;well yeah ; it doesn't include hwatever sbin setting you were discussing though. i guess leave as a comment.
1846256;1535734752;asciilifeform;http://thewhet.net/2018/08/hanbots-znc-bouncer-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-54996 ftr.
1846257;1535735001;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-31#1846107 << specifically : "if burried cold plate six inches deep among roots on moss side of tree and nailed warm plate six inches high on opposite side of tree, power output throughout a year at x lat y long looks like this : "
1846258;1535735001;a111;Logged on 2018-08-31 04:50 mircea_popescu: "what ~exactly~ can be had from https://www.amazon.com/Glamorway-TEC1-12706-Thermoelectric-Cooling-Peltier/dp/B00IKDL22O or https://www.amazon.com/AOSHIKE-Polycrystalline-Silicon-Photovoltaic-Charger/ in the woods behind my house / on the roof of my windowsil" etc entirely not wasted effort.
1846259;1535735063;mircea_popescu;"day and nigth power output of solar panel throughout the year is here : ; observe the full moon on y and the blood moon on z" and so fucking on.
1846260;1535735161;mircea_popescu;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_moon_prophecy << for the lulz files.
1846261;1535735331;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: goes best with a http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-16#1842253
1846262;1535735331;a111;Logged on 2018-08-16 18:18 asciilifeform: in other noose, asciilifeform obtained and testing a LTC3108 , 'energy harvester', they've become cheapo
1846263;1535735340;mircea_popescu;i expect ya
1846264;1535735348;asciilifeform;( there's several similar chips on the market, afaik that's the cheapest )
1846265;1535735362;mircea_popescu;in field use ; for research, something that records voltages i guess
1846266;1535735538;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: want to record not simply voltage, but just how many milliwatts/hrs available from the harvester ( in field practice you cannot do much of anything with e.g. peltier without harvester )
1846267;1535735635;asciilifeform;how to do : it charges cap ( the demo unit i have here from china, has 4 1F 2.2v caps ) and runs a boost converter from these, as well as lighting up 'power good' pin when 3.3v (from the latter) is available. so you put a test load on the 3.3v out ( say , 1W 100 ohm resistor ) and record events when 'power good' signal changes.
1846268;1535735643;asciilifeform;from this, can calculate practical energy availability.
1846269;1535735725;asciilifeform;from this, in turn, can say, e.g., 'in the daytime, september, such-and-such latitude, can get J joules/sec , then after sundown, J', ... ' etc
1846270;1535735810;asciilifeform;ltc3108 has an intake transformer . the demo board is sold in two variants, one where it has a low:high winding ( for peltiers, solar ) and one where high:low ( for piezos ). the latter is for noise/vibratory harvester -- e.g. tree branch in the wind.
1846271;1535735866;asciilifeform;think of the harvester as an impedance matcher between the physical source of energy, and the consuming device.
1846272;1535735960;mod6;meat,brb
1846273;1535736057;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is actually a good approach yeah.
1846274;1535736085;mircea_popescu;just record the light switching.
1846275;1535736110;mircea_popescu;to get fancy can make something like ben_vulpes 's block follower, make it do hourly reports in a chan, review whenever
1846276;1535736190;asciilifeform;wire it up to a (battery-powered) universal remote thing, with the rx end indoors , where you can log.
1846277;1535736205;asciilifeform;from the intervals, can compute energy in.
1846278;1535736210;mircea_popescu;yep.
1846279;1535736231;mircea_popescu;and by reporting it "live" as it were, solve all the data integrity problems etc.
1846280;1535736238;asciilifeform;aha.
1846281;1535736250;mircea_popescu;nice.
1846282;1535736268;asciilifeform;( don't put logger in the box per se, will miss good % of the flips, as e.g. sd card eats ridiculous current , which the harvester may or may not at a given time be able to supply )
1846283;1535736336;asciilifeform;btw peltier, solar, piezo are not the only possib harvests. there is also inductive coupling from mains cabling ( street lights, etc , user yer imagination )
1846284;1535736348;asciilifeform;*use
1846285;1535736353;mircea_popescu;certainly this counts as qualification for lab physicist. many ways available to introduce systematic errors.
1846286;1535736384;asciilifeform;for inductive coupler, 5-6 turns of insulated copper around $victim will suffice
1846287;1535736393;asciilifeform;( use the high:low variant )
1846288;1535736409;asciilifeform;think back to the old-school noncontact ac voltmeter, same principle.
1846289;1535736418;mircea_popescu;but yes, judging by how ubiquitous "computer mouse thrown over power lines" are in urban environment (when it's not sneakers, at any rate) might be very practical approach -- put the inductive coil in the mouse cable ; and the transmitter in the body.
1846290;1535736432;asciilifeform;can get tens of watts, this way.
1846291;1535736439;asciilifeform;24/7.
1846292;1535736441;mircea_popescu;on a high power line, can get a lot yes.
1846293;1535736492;asciilifeform;even on street light line. certainly enuff to run just about anything you might care to fit in the box.
1846294;1535736527;mircea_popescu;http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5470/9290272320_8f198ac9e7_z.jpg
1846295;1535736564;asciilifeform;i'd avoid ^ these , cable with multi-kV insulation aint cheap
1846296;1535736567;asciilifeform;and 'sapper errs once'
1846297;1535736579;asciilifeform;ordinary city lamps will suffice.
1846298;1535736590;mircea_popescu;i suspect those are .5MV
1846299;1535736622;asciilifeform;for these, frying pan wound with magnet wire ~at ground level~, as tuned circuit, is actually enuff
1846300;1535736627;mircea_popescu;yup.
1846301;1535736645;mircea_popescu;that's what i was going to say, you don't have to get THAT close. if air is no longer dielectric you're too close.
1846302;1535736655;mircea_popescu;energy abundantly available well before you get that close.
1846303;1535736665;asciilifeform;just stand in the near field. ( recall the folx with unplugged fluorescent lamps )
1846304;1535736673;mircea_popescu;quite.
1846305;1535736683;mircea_popescu;can prolly even bury stuff along the lines. nobody will ever fucking find.
1846306;1535736691;mircea_popescu;one inch of dirt's worth one mile of otp tape.
1846307;1535736744;asciilifeform;in some places they guard'em, but usually not (picture the cost), typically proprietor figures that monkeying near hv lines is self-punishing
1846308;1535736789;asciilifeform;the spread of copper bandits might change the equation tho.
1846309;1535736791;mircea_popescu;quite.
1846310;1535736804;mircea_popescu;it's not practical to "guard".
1846311;1535736813;asciilifeform;( i can picture a near future when hv line rights of way are mined, say )
1846312;1535736826;mircea_popescu;if you had people that entreprising...
1846313;1535736837;mircea_popescu;you don't. the cowsies just wanna.
1846314;1535736849;asciilifeform;not mined by usg, lol. by copper hunters..
1846315;1535736877;mircea_popescu;anyway, shall bbl!
1846316;1535736892;asciilifeform;( but no, at least over here we dun have 'enterprising'. we have repair crews that barely repair )
1846317;1535736893;asciilifeform;laters.
1846318;1535737506;BingoBoingo;And I just got jewed by a chicken
1846319;1535737516;asciilifeform;lolwat
1846320;1535737560;BingoBoingo;So I'm putting together my healthy 4 egg veggie scramble, and one of the eggs didn't have a yolk
1846321;1535740981;asciilifeform;in other lulz, the 'bernstein as nsa stooge' concept slowly percolates from the republic, https://sporaw.livejournal.com/538323.html
1846322;1535746832;mod6;jurov: how's it going with the move of the ML?
1846323;1535746869;mod6;lol BingoBoingo
1846324;1535746892;mod6;don't choke your chicken too hard
1846325;1535746964;BingoBoingo;lol, I just can't believe this chicken I've never met cheated my out of the good stuff
1846326;1535748354;mod6;!!sent-invoices
1846327;1535748358;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/bNbaL/?raw=true
1846328;1535748360;mod6;!!ledger
1846329;1535748364;deedbot;http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/HDxDs/?raw=true
1846330;1535749209;trinque;!!v E783E315B43F405D3C8C6F78BCA856C021A0451C4E44E4049C89A760640BEC6B
1846331;1535749212;deedbot;trinque paid mod6 invoice 5
1846332;1535749235;mod6;Thanks Sir!
1846333;1535749251;trinque;quite welcome
1846334;1535749566;mod6;jurov: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/c6LEj/?raw=true
1846335;1535759165;trinque;hey mod6, when's the next auction?